[00:00] <heartsblood> like when a select a window from the foreground i'll get a slight sound lag if i'm listening to something
[00:00] <testx> anyone here got Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8039 !
[00:00] <testx> my wlan and ethernet both stopped after updating my ubuntu
[00:01] <heartsblood> according atop pulseaudio is @ 7% cpu with rhythmbox playing.  is it just me or does that seem high?
[00:02] <mooboo1> anyway to view a manual page, without using the command 'man' ?
[00:03] <mooboo1> like perhaps with a gui?
[00:13] <poni> So... I got a problem in Hardy Heron, in Hardware Drivers, it's not listing anything and I'd like to install Nvidia driver =)
[00:14] <jbroome> !nvidia | poni
[00:14] <ubotu> poni: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:15] <lilyth> hi
[00:15] <lilyth> anyone tell me how t resolve liblauchpad problem?
[00:15] <T1m0thy> hi
[00:15] <T1m0thy> i don't know
[00:15] <T1m0thy> i have it too
[00:15] <lilyth> lame.
[00:16] <T1m0thy> Please make sure you know how to administer an Ubuntu system (including broken dependencies), and how to fix it when it breaks, before installing Hardy
[00:16] <T1m0thy> So I wouldn't ask. :p
[00:16] <thompa> why not ask?
[00:16] <lilyth> Please learn how to push packges properly before putting them in a release, even if its beta
[00:16] <T1m0thy> I'd assume uninstall/reinstall or wait for updates.
[00:17] <T1m0thy> Do you know, thompa
[00:17] <T1m0thy> ?
[00:17] <thompa> no clue
[00:17] <lilyth> figures.
[00:17] <T1m0thy> Alright.
[00:17] <thompa> whats the problem with liblaunchpad
[00:18] <thompa> i mean whats the question?
[00:18] <lilyth> well, the installed version is liblaunchpad-integration0
[00:18] <T1m0thy> It's a broken package.
[00:18] <lilyth> the one that came down today is liblaunchpad-integration1
[00:18] <lilyth> cant remove the old one
[00:18] <lilyth> without uninstalling a LOT of stuff
[00:18] <lilyth> cant get the new one in
[00:19] <lilyth> coz it conflicts ith the old one
[00:19] <scizzo-> lilyth: its reported in launchpad
[00:19] <lilyth> Im sure theres some magick apt incantation to fix
[00:19] <lilyth> but Im not an apt guru
[00:20] <lilyth> so I was hoping someone here knewit
[00:20] <T1m0thy> ermm..
[00:20] <lilyth> thank you scizzo-
[00:20] <T1m0thy> It's saying my package isn't broke anymore.
[00:20] <thompa> lilyth: i have liblaunchpad1 installed
[00:20] <lilyth> lucky you.
[00:20] <T1m0thy> Have you run sudo apt-get update and installed ALL the latest ones?
[00:20] <lilyth> yes.
[00:20] <T1m0thy> alright
[00:21] <lilyth> thts the only one tht wont go
[00:21] <thompa> says here launchpad-integration0 and 1 installed
[00:21] <T1m0thy> same, thompa
[00:21] <MTecknology> all of a sudden with todays updates, AWN has a white edge on the right and bottom... anybody else have that issue?
[00:21] <lilyth> I dont have integration1 installed, thats my hangup
[00:21] <MTecknology> it's either todays or yesterdays updates
[00:22] <T1m0thy> lilyth, you can't install it?
[00:22] <thompa> lilyth: all i did was a fresh install and its there
[00:22] <lilyth> no T1m0thy I cant
[00:22] <thompa> it was there by default
[00:22] <T1m0thy> Hmm.. :\
[00:22] <lilyth> thompa  fresh install?
[00:22] <thompa> i installed beta last night, have since updated is all
[00:23] <lilyth> Ive had the beta in like a week, I guess
[00:23] <jmdc> I crashed the installer doing manual partitioning. I made a boot primary boot partition, then tried to make a logical partition with all the remaining free space, and choose "do not use", but the installer just churned on that for a long time, and stopped updating the gui - I just had an empty, unresponsive window.
[00:23] <scizzo-> !launcpad #213863
[00:23] <scizzo-> !213863
[00:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 213863 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:23] <thompa> lilyth: i know an upgrade should work, but i had issues
[00:23] <MTecknology> !bug 213683
[00:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213683 in openlibrary "LCCNs not appearing in imported LoC records" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213683
[00:23] <T1m0thy> zomg, The updates keep coming and coming. I wish it was always like this.. I've been thinking of moving to a distribution where the repositories are updated a lot more often.
[00:23] <scizzo-> MTecknology: thanks
[00:24] <scizzo-> MTecknology: hmmm not really the one I am looking at
[00:24] <scizzo-> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/213863
[00:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213863 in launchpad-integration "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png', which is also in package liblaunchpad-integration0" [High,Fix released]
[00:24] <MTecknology> scizzo-, i think you can just say either 213683 or bug 213683 in a sentence and it'll pop us
[00:24] <lilyth> thts it
[00:24] <MTecknology> nope, nvm
[00:24] <MTecknology> used to
[00:24] <lilyth> hmm 'fix released'
[00:24] <lilyth> whts that
[00:24] <thompa> lilyth: maybe check repos
[00:25] <scizzo-> lilyth: go to the link...there are workarounds if you have problems
[00:25] <lilyth> thank you scizzo-
[00:26] <scizzo-> MTecknology: hehe nice.. :)
[00:26] <mooboo1> nemo, actually it was the "Virtual" line in my xorg.conf that was the culprit, strange how that I've had that line a long time, and it never caused any trouble
[00:26] <MTecknology> O, apparently my issue with awn is fixed with the updates of the last few hours
[00:26] <lilyth> hmm says fixd 11 hours ago
[00:27]  * lilyth refreshes
[00:27] <Smegzor> I found out whats causing me to not be able to change my desktop wallpaper.  Its something Ubuntu Tweak is doing to break .gconf
[00:27] <cyclonut> mooboo1: what trouble was it causing again?
[00:27] <mooboo1> cyclonut, GDM was appearing large, and only 1/4 of screen
[00:27] <cyclonut> aaah, like you had another monitor connected
[00:27] <cyclonut> gotcha
[00:28] <mooboo1> when I use driver 'nv' i can use displayconfig-gtk to set refresh rate 50-85, but when i use 'nvidia', displayconfig-gtk only let me select 50-54 even though it actually runs at 85 hz
[00:28] <mooboo1> cyclonut, yeah, exactly
[00:28] <Smegzor> I got back the ability to change wallpaper, then installed Ubuntu Tweak, used it to hide desktop icons and BAM!  Lost the ability to change wallpaper.  I tested that before and after.   So I have to delete .gconf again :(
[00:28] <x0x> how to install proftpd?
[00:29] <scizzo-> x0x: apt-get install proftpd
[00:29] <scizzo-> x0x: maybe?
[00:29] <x0x> nope
[00:29] <x0x> E: Couldn't find package proftpd
[00:29] <lilyth> thanks al.
[00:29] <lilyth> all
[00:29] <MTecknology> x0x, aptitude search proftpd
[00:29] <scizzo-> x0x: then you should check the repos you have
[00:30] <MTecknology> Is anybody else having having color glitches with Firefox with the bookmarks toolbar?
[00:30] <x0x> st3v3n@AmaderBanglaChat:~$ aptitude search proftpd
[00:30] <x0x> st3v3n@AmaderBanglaChat:~$
[00:31] <x0x> no reply
[00:31] <scizzo-> x0x: check your repos
[00:31] <MTecknology> aight - i'm out
[00:31] <x0x> i am on text only
[00:31] <scizzo-> x0x: less /apt/sources.list
[00:32] <cyclonut> anyone know the actual day of release for hardy?
[00:32] <T1m0thy> 24th
[00:32] <x0x> . /apt/sources.list: No such file or directory
[00:32] <T1m0thy> I believe.
[00:32] <cyclonut> thanky sir
[00:32] <scizzo-> x0x: less /etc//apt/sources.list
[00:32] <scizzo-> x0x: less /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:32] <cyclonut> I need to set up a server for long term use, and I want ot use hardy due to LTS. however, I need to set it up in the next couple days. I guess I'll just risk the upgrade
[00:33] <x0x> schallstrom_ what do i add here now?
[00:33] <scizzo-> x0x: actually the question is if you have changed that file
[00:33] <x0x> nope
[00:33] <x0x> i didnt
[00:33] <scizzo-> x0x: I just installed a gutsy server and I have hardy desktop server which both shows proftpd
[00:34] <x0x> http://pastebin.com/m2837f76c
[00:34] <x0x> take a look
[00:34] <scizzo-> x0x: hold on
[00:34] <scizzo-> x0x: you are on dapper?
[00:35] <scizzo-> x0x: then this is not really the right channel first of all since its hardy only.....for testing
[00:36] <x0x> nope
[00:36] <x0x> i am in x.10
[00:36] <scizzo-> right
[00:37] <scizzo-> x0x: but this is still the hardy support channel.....#ubuntu is the main help channel for stable releases....
[00:38] <Sergeant_Pony> morning / afternoon / evening
[00:38] <scizzo-> x0x: but I can tell you to try and comment out the cdrom and remove the # infront of the universe repos then run: apt-get update && apt-cache search proftpd
[00:39] <x0x> how do i exit from less ?
[00:39] <scizzo-> x0x: q
[00:40] <x0x> tnx
[00:40] <scizzo-> np
[00:40] <gilster32> i have been getting issues with the process '
[00:41] <gilster32> sorry. with the process " evolution-data-server'
[00:41] <Sergeant_Pony> what are the text editors that come with ubuntu that are command line used?
[00:41] <gilster32> sometimes it is running the processor at 98 percent for hours. then my machine locks up
[00:43] <x0x> scizzo- tnx
[00:43] <x0x> i got proftpd
[00:43] <critter-> Sergeant_Pony, nano is most often used
[00:44] <scizzo-> x0x: hehe no problem
[00:44] <x0x> scizzo- do you know how to setup ns1.something.com ?
[00:44] <scizzo-> x0x: you mean dns server?
[00:44] <x0x> yes
[00:45] <soundray> I can't find the restricted drivers manager after upgrading to hardy. Has it been replaced?
[00:45] <scizzo-> x0x: well yes.....took a while to understand but wasn't to hard
[00:46] <x0x> can you teach me?
[00:46] <scizzo-> x0x: actually I would suggest to read about it
[00:46] <scizzo-> x0x: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/dns-server-setup-using-bind-in-ubuntu.html
[00:46] <Sergeant_Pony> critter: nano.. ok. I tried gedit but it wouldn't work... I'll try that. Thanks
[00:47] <scizzo-> x0x: usually ubuntugeek website have rather good howtos for understanding those kind of stuff
[00:47] <scizzo-> x0x: plus I need to sleep
[00:48] <x0x> well me too
[00:48] <x0x> its 6 am
[00:48] <Sergeant_Pony> critter-: if I need to edit under sudo does it also work for that?
[00:50] <Fritzel> when you renice which way is lower priority?
[00:51] <xtknight> anyone here with an nvidia 6xxx or higher where the installer freezes(nv), except in safe graphics mode(vesa)?
[00:51] <xtknight> or anyone with a geforce 8xxx and higher that can use nv?
[00:51] <xtknight> i'd like some comments on Bug 62230
[00:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 62230 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "Corrupt graphics on boot with 7800GT/nv" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62230
[00:52] <soundray> Sergeant_Pony: use nano with sudo, gedit with gksudo
[00:52] <Sergeant_Pony> soundtray: ahh, ok... that would explain it. Thanks for the info.
[00:52] <x0x> scizzo- do you use yahoo or msn?
[00:53] <dassouki> does anyone have a problem with cheese? it shuts down randomly, with no error wutso ever
[00:53] <dassouki> what*
[00:53] <x0x> lol
[00:53] <xtknight> !info cheese
[00:54] <ubotu> cheese (source: cheese): A tool to take pictures and videos from your webcam. In component main, is optional. Version 2.22.0-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 1070 kB, installed size 4892 kB
[00:54] <xtknight> :p
[00:54] <x0x>  -fredorik:#ubuntu- fredorik has sent you a memo! To read it, type /server 1 < FUNNY?
[00:54] <Sergeant_Pony> no
[00:54] <soundray> What's the recommended procedure for switching to the binary ati driver?
[00:54] <xtknight> soundray, gksu jockey-gtk
[00:54] <soundray> xtknight: will try, thanks
[00:55] <xtknight> dassouki, cheese starts for me but i have no capture device.  i only see a test image
[00:55] <dassouki> xtknight, mine starts, the webcam light goes on
[00:56] <soundray> xtknight: looks familiar. Thank you! Rebooting to test...
[00:56] <dassouki> xtknight, mine starts, the webcam light goes on, then crashes 10 seconds later
[00:56] <xtknight> dassouki, does it also crash in gstreamer-properties
[00:56] <sivel27> hello all
[00:56] <sivel27> quick question.
[00:56] <xtknight> goto video, default input, see if you can see an image from your webcam without a crash
[00:57] <x0x> ERROR:>   	[4/9/2008 5:56:32 AM] Requested action not taken (e.g., file or directory not found, no access).
[00:57] <dassouki> no my webcam works fine, i ran gstream-properties, and it detects the cam
[00:57] <dassouki> xtknight, no my webcam works fine, i ran gstream-properties, and it detects the cam
[00:57] <xtknight> you can preview an image?
[00:57] <dassouki> nope
[00:57] <dassouki> not on cheese
[00:58] <xtknight> on gstreamer?
[00:58] <xtknight> press Test
[00:58] <x0x> Unable to transfer.
[00:58] <x0x> This is most likely due to insufficient permissions. Verify both the destination path and permissions, then try again. If the problem persists, contact your system administrator or hosting provider.
[00:58] <x0x> i am getting this error on proftd
[00:58] <dassouki> i can see my self :D
[00:58] <x0x> how do i fix it now?
[00:58] <xtknight> dassouki, ok
[00:58] <dassouki> xtknight, i can see my self,
[00:58] <sivel27> running heron, restricted drivers, ati 9700 pro...... the resolution hooked up to my 32 lcd says 1360x... but it looks like 1280x768, the problem is the refresh reate im guessing, as it looks "cut-off" on both sides, i.e black bars. any suggestions?
[00:58] <xtknight> dassouki, run "cheese" from the console and report any errors you see
[00:59] <xtknight> sivel27,  1360x768 is your lcd's resolution?
[00:59] <dassouki> xtknight, using source: v4l2src
[00:59] <dassouki> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[00:59] <xtknight> well that is because the graphics card is scaling.
[00:59] <xtknight> so it's sending the monitor a full image
[00:59] <sivel27> the max, yes. i only want to run it in 1280
[00:59] <xtknight> dassouki, then i guess file a bug on launchpad for cheese
[00:59] <Smegzor> I've found a bug.  Could somebody confirm this please.. Try to change your wallpaper using system/preferences/appearance.    Now try changing your wallpaper as before.  When I do these things, I lose the ability to change wallpaper except by restarting X.  I initially blamed Ubuntu-Tweak but I think its somewhere else.
[01:00] <sivel27> 1366 rather
[01:00] <sivel27> is the max
[01:00] <xtknight> sivel27, ok.  this is not an option in screen resolutions, then?
[01:00] <dassouki> xtknight, thanks anyways
[01:00] <sivel27> no, it "says" its @ 1366, but it looks more like a "cramped" 1280
[01:00] <Luckrider> sivel27, have you tried changing the screen type in the ui
[01:01] <Luckrider> *gui
[01:01] <xtknight> sivel27, that's because your graphics card is scaling
[01:01] <Luckrider> that is how I fixed mine
[01:01] <xtknight> but that does not mean you are at that resolution
[01:01] <sivel27> no i havent
[01:01] <Luckrider> ok
[01:01] <sivel27> how does one go about with that?
[01:01] <Luckrider> go to other
[01:01] <Luckrider> then click
[01:01] <xtknight> well font size isn't going to fix black bars
[01:01] <Luckrider> screens/graphics
[01:01] <Luckrider> then... hold on
[01:01] <Luckrider> let me check
[01:01] <sivel27> other? from what place?
[01:01] <dassouki> xtknight, do u kno where the cheese config files are
[01:01] <xtknight> i'm not sure.  there used to be a tool in screen/graphics under Other
[01:02] <xtknight> mine recenetly disappeared too
[01:02] <xtknight> it was in applicatoins menu
[01:02] <sivel27> hmm
[01:02] <xtknight> gksu displayconfig-gtk
[01:02] <xtknight> is the cmd line
[01:02] <sivel27> so it has nothing to do w/ refresh?
[01:02] <xtknight> no dont think so
[01:02] <sivel27> ok
[01:02] <sivel27> ill try that right now
[01:02] <xtknight> you are running at 1280 on the gfx card, regardless of what lcd says.
[01:02] <sivel27> would doing this be bad during a apt-get update running/
[01:02] <Luckrider> I am so sorry hold on
[01:03] <Luckrider> My friend installed KDE with Gnome
[01:03] <Luckrider> and it is hard to find that
[01:03] <Smegzor> Is anyone testing the wallpaper bug I just described?
[01:03] <xtknight> dassouki, hmmm nope
[01:03] <xtknight> Smegzor, uh one second
[01:03] <sivel27> so, run the cmd line you posted then?
[01:03] <xtknight> sivel27, yeah
[01:04] <jburd> Does hardy have desktop effects disabled by default on the LiveCD?
[01:04] <xtknight> Smegzor, what do you mean hide my deskto
[01:04] <xtknight> jburd, it's enabled by default if there's an open source driver that supports it.  like intel
[01:04] <xtknight> as far as i know
[01:04] <Unxuxu> who is running adobe flash player with ffox 3 beta 5?
[01:04] <jburd> Ah.  Does it allow installing non-free drivers?
[01:04] <xtknight> i know it enables itself right after i install prop drivers without my doing anything
[01:04] <xtknight> yes
[01:04] <xtknight> Unxuxu, me
[01:04] <Luckrider> sorrry Sivel27, I can't find it in my system
[01:04] <Smegzor> its a tick box in gconf-editor under apps/nautilus/preferences
[01:04] <Luckrider> but if you find the gui
[01:05] <Unxuxu> xtknight: Could you help with it?
[01:05] <Luckrider> look for screen
[01:05] <xtknight> Luckrider, sivel27 the gui is gksu displayconfig-gtk
[01:05] <Smegzor> its called show_desktop
[01:05] <Luckrider> and click the pull down
[01:05] <sivel27> ok, ill try the displayconfig cmd
[01:05] <Luckrider> maybee
[01:05] <xtknight> Unxuxu, yeah in a few... testing things
[01:05] <Unxuxu> xtknight: ok... tks... good lucky with your tests
[01:05] <Luckrider> yes
[01:05] <Luckrider> it is
[01:05] <Luckrider> ok
[01:05] <Luckrider> click model
[01:06] <Luckrider> and change it to one with the desired resolution
[01:06] <Unxuxu> *luck
[01:06] <xtknight> Smegzor, yeah i guess that's a bug, but you can get the wallpaper to load if you toggle show desktop once again
[01:06] <Luckrider> sivel27 did you get that?
[01:06] <sivel27> hmm. under the res options, theres every res except 1280
[01:06] <Smegzor> hmm.   I don't want to see icons on my wallpaper :)
[01:07] <Luckrider> no
[01:07] <Luckrider> click on the model
[01:07] <xtknight> Smegzor, no i mean toggle it again
[01:07] <Luckrider> then change it to generic 1400x1500
[01:07] <sivel27> ahh
[01:07] <xtknight> just turn off/on
[01:07] <xtknight> causes it to repaint
[01:07] <Luckrider> that is how I fixed mine
[01:07] <Smegzor> so you found the same behaviour?  I'll file my first bug report :D
[01:07] <xtknight> but it's still a bug.  feel free to file it on launchpad
[01:07] <xtknight> yea
[01:07] <sivel27> ok one sec
[01:07] <Luckrider> np
[01:07] <xtknight> Unxuxu, what was your question?
[01:07] <Luckrider> then you can change the resolution
[01:07] <sivel27> you mean after setting it , turn tv on/off?
[01:07] <xtknight> Smegzor, once filed give me the ID and i'll confirm it
[01:08] <Smegzor> ok
[01:08] <Luckrider> wait, you are using a tv
[01:08] <xtknight> sivel27, setup a display and find 1366x768 resolution
[01:08] <Luckrider> ?
[01:08] <xtknight> sounds like a tv to me
[01:08] <Luckrider> hmm
[01:08] <sivel27> it is
[01:08] <sivel27> westinghouse
[01:08] <xtknight> ah
[01:08] <Luckrider> then yeah you might need to turn it off
[01:08] <Unxuxu> xtknight: I cant get flash plugin work... Im reading things about 4 hours or more... no success!
[01:08] <Luckrider> it is and LCD
[01:08] <Luckrider> ?
[01:08] <xtknight> sivel27, i've heard of your display having an EDID bug i think?
[01:08] <Luckrider> or plasma?
[01:08] <critter-> Sergeant_Pony, yep it sure does sudo nano filename
[01:08] <xtknight> i dont know
[01:08] <xtknight> Unxuxu, what ubuntu did you install, 32bit or 64bit?
[01:09] <Unxuxu> xtknight: 32
[01:09] <sivel27> dont know wht bug you speak of, windows runs the res fine
[01:09] <xtknight> type "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[01:09] <sivel27> lcd
[01:09] <Luckrider> yeah
[01:09] <Luckrider> ok
[01:09] <Unxuxu> xtknight: this command is for me?
[01:09] <Luckrider> um
[01:09] <xtknight> Unxuxu, sorry ya
[01:09] <Luckrider> it should work with it still on
[01:09] <mohamed_> how can innstall firefox java plugins , i have already java-sun installed ?
[01:09] <xtknight> Luckrider, pastebin "sudo ddcprobe" please
[01:09] <Luckrider> I hava an aquos that works that way
[01:10] <Luckrider> what xkight?
[01:10] <Unxuxu> ok... this will install adobe plugin, or gnash?
[01:10] <xtknight> Luckrider, sorry i meant sivel27
[01:10] <Luckrider> oh
[01:10] <xtknight> Unxuxu, adobe
[01:10] <Unxuxu> xtknight: ok... this will install adobe plugin, or gnash?
[01:10] <Smegzor> xtknight: hmm!  no amount of toggling that setting is giving me back wallpaper changing.
[01:10] <Unxuxu> xtknight: hmmm nice... will try now!
[01:10] <xtknight> Smegzor, really..
[01:10] <sivel27> im sorry, xt, what was that?
[01:10] <xtknight> hmm
[01:10] <xtknight> sivel27, type "sudo ddcprobe"
[01:10] <xtknight> and paste the results
[01:10] <xtknight> !pastebin | sivel27
[01:10] <ubotu> sivel27: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[01:11] <Sergeant_Pony> critter-: thanks
[01:11] <Smegzor> yeah :(  My .gconf is brand new (deleted and recreated 15 mins ago or so).  I've done very little to it other than customising a panel.
[01:11] <sivel27> command not found, and i havent changed the display options yet if that matters
[01:11] <xtknight> sivel27, sudo apt-get install xresprobe
[01:12] <xtknight> Smegzor, well for me basically turning show_desktop off/on at any immediate moment causes the desktop to repaint, which will cause the wallpaper to change if it had been changed.
[01:12] <xtknight> so i have no icons, then i turn show_desktop on then back off.. and now no icons and an updated wallpaper
[01:12] <xtknight> it's stlil a bug but..
[01:13] <Smegzor> hmm..  I'm clicking on different images in the appearance gui.  Maybe my double clicks aren't being recorded in the registry?
[01:13] <xtknight> dunno
[01:13] <xtknight> wallpaper is in gconf also
[01:14] <xtknight> i forget the path name
[01:14] <Unxuxu> xtknight: its impossible!   I got the same error... of course... the package suggest by you, contains the same flash-nonfree package...
[01:14] <Smegzor> yeah I've been in gconf hunting for this problem for days
[01:14] <Unxuxu> xtknight: Download done.
[01:14] <Unxuxu> md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[01:14] <Unxuxu> The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
[01:14] <xtknight> ah
[01:15] <sivel27> ok xt, its pasted
[01:15] <xtknight> Unxuxu, going to try and reproduce it on a clean hardy
[01:15] <sivel27> under sivel
[01:15] <xtknight> sivel27, url?
[01:16] <xtknight> i cannot see it
[01:16] <sivel27> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62577/
[01:16] <xtknight> ok
[01:16] <xtknight> dtiming: 1360x768@59
[01:16] <xtknight> so sounds like this is the proper res
[01:16] <Unxuxu> xtknight:  ok... I have a fresh install...   Is there anything I can do to force a refresh?
[01:16] <xtknight> lol
[01:17] <xtknight> Smegzor, killall nautilus && nautilus
[01:17] <sivel27> yes, however, the screen looks "smashed" in from the sides, and the upper and lowers bars are cut off a bit
[01:17] <Smegzor> ok
[01:17] <xtknight> sivel27, so basically what you need to do is get fglrx to recognize
[01:17] <xtknight> 1360x768
[01:17] <xtknight> sivel27, type xrandr -q | grep -i current
[01:18] <xtknight> you can just paste this single line here.
[01:18] <Smegzor> done.  I get an error when it restarts..  ** (nautilus:15309): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported.  Could that be significant to my problem?
[01:18] <xtknight> Smegzor, nah same thing happens to me
[01:18] <Smegzor> oh ok
[01:18] <xtknight> did the wallpaper update?
[01:19] <Smegzor> yes.  trying to update manually now
[01:19] <Smegzor> its updating manually again
[01:19] <xtknight> Unxuxu, there is a bug right now with flash player
[01:19] <xtknight> nobody can install it
[01:19] <xtknight> i will search/file a bug
[01:21] <sivel27> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1360 x 768, maximum 1360 x 768
[01:21] <xtknight> interesting
[01:21] <Smegzor> gah!  this is frustrating!  I can change wallpaper if I show icons, but not with icons hidden :<
[01:21] <xtknight> it thinks you're already at that resolution
[01:21] <xtknight> sivel27, then it could be overscan
[01:21] <Smegzor> even after shutting down nautilus
[01:21] <Smegzor> I'll log out and back in..  might help
[01:21] <sivel27> ok, are there any other ways to fix this, as its my htpc, hooked up in my living room
[01:22] <Unxuxu> xtknight:   dammmmn it!   you tube is my TV channel!... LOL...  whataf*ck!
[01:22] <Smegzor> then I'll go find a nice brick wall for my head
[01:22] <pen> how to disable gnome draw desktop call to let compiz desktop cube take over?
[01:22] <xtknight> sivel27, does your tv have any options for adjusting image position?
[01:23] <xtknight> Unxuxu,  i filed a bug here: Bug 214341
[01:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214341 in flashplugin-nonfree "flash plugin md5sum outdated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214341
[01:24] <Unxuxu> xtknight:  I will try to do something and try to help the community...  what is the firefox 3 beta 5 plugins folder?  I have a java plugin working... how could I know where is this plugin running from?
[01:24] <sivel27> i believe so, but not only is it "smashed" from the sides, but the menu and bottom bar are cut off
[01:24] <xtknight> yeah
[01:24] <xtknight> Unxuxu, the problem is, the plugin isn't even being downloaded
[01:24] <xtknight> Unxuxu, i can try and patch it
[01:24] <xtknight> i mean it's not even being installe
[01:25] <xtknight> should bein /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[01:25] <soundray> xtknight: I've managed to enable desktop effects for the first time. Nice!
[01:25] <Unxuxu> xtknight:  I have a .deb package for this adobe flash 9...  no md5sum check is needed... but I cant know where I could link .so to
[01:26] <xtknight> Unxuxu, you can put the .so in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[01:26] <xtknight> soundray, neat
[01:26] <soundray> xtknight: thanks again for your jockey hint
[01:26] <xtknight> yeah
[01:26] <Unxuxu> xtknight:  yeah... but the firefox does not run it from there.
[01:27] <xtknight> well i have no idea
[01:27] <sivel27> ok, how about this, how can i change my refresh a couple of points?
[01:27] <sivel27> ok, its GOOD!!!! i switched inputs
[01:28] <sivel27> thank you for all fo you help xtknight
[01:28] <xtknight> yeah
[01:28] <m1r> anyone tryed install adobe air ?
[01:28] <Unxuxu> xtknight:   how could I know what is this folder of my java plugin is running from?  I will put it there...  gotcha?
[01:28] <xtknight> what did you do again?
[01:28] <xtknight> Unxuxu, type about:config in firefox
[01:28] <xtknight> err
[01:28] <xtknight> about:plugins
[01:28] <sivel27> i simply switched from pc input to av and back again
[01:29] <sivel27> heh
[01:29] <xtknight> weird
[01:29] <sivel27> i do have one last question of you though
[01:30] <sivel27> its about compiz. in the advanced manager, i enabled the "cube" effect. but when i use the "cube", it looks more like a flat wall
[01:30] <xtknight> yeah?
[01:30] <Unxuxu> xtknight:  ok... Its got the filename... libjavaplugin_oji.so  nice... whats is the best way to search for it?    find? locate?
[01:30] <xtknight> sivel27, you need to enable more workspaces
[01:30] <xtknight> Unxuxu, sudo updatedb && locate libjavaplugin
[01:30] <Unxuxu> xtknight: tks
[01:30] <sivel27> in the advanced menu for effects?
[01:31] <xtknight> sivel27, it's near the trash icon, workspces
[01:32] <sivel27> how many?
[01:32] <xtknight> how many sides do you want your cube to have?
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> !upgrade
[01:32] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> !hardy
[01:33] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[01:33] <sivel27> so the same goes for the top and bottom?
[01:33] <xtknight> sivel27, what do you mean?
[01:33] <Luckrider> is there a place where I can upload pics for this chan
[01:34] <Luckrider> ?
[01:34] <xtknight> Luckrider, http://imageshack.us is a general site
[01:34] <Luckrider> ok
[01:34] <Luckrider> thanks
[01:34] <sivel27> the top and bottom of the cube are light blue
[01:34] <Luckrider> it thought there was like a pastebin for pics or something
[01:34] <xtknight> nah
[01:37] <Smegzor> xtknight: Here is my bug report..  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/214347
[01:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214347 in ubuntu "Cannot change wallpaper after showing/hiding desktop " [Undecided,New]
[01:37] <Luckrider> I got this when I tried updating my system
[01:37] <Luckrider> http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8553/screenshotsynapticerrorrk3.png
[01:37] <Smegzor> heh  thanks ubotu :)
[01:38] <Luckrider> lol, what would we do withput bots
[01:38] <Luckrider> *without
[01:39] <Luckrider> so... has anyone seen that error, is there any fixes
[01:39] <xtknight> Smegzor, i'll confirm it in a second
[01:39] <Luckrider> ?
[01:39] <Smegzor> thanks
[01:39] <xtknight> Smegzor, well at laest part of it.  i dont have the exact same problem
[01:40] <xtknight> Unxuxu, i've got a fix you can try in just a few minutes
[01:40] <Smegzor> yeah I realise that.  I wrote it from your perspective.  I didn't mention that I can't get the ability back at all.  I'm assuming I'm just unlucky (I'm usually right about that).
[01:40] <xtknight> hehe
[01:41] <Luckrider> so... has anyone looked at the synaptic error that I had, I can't add new apps because of it.
[01:42] <Unxuxu> xtknight: nice!
[01:43] <Unxuxu> xtknight: I will open right now my ffox... I install the plugin into /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins
[01:43] <Unxuxu> xtknight: lets check!
[01:44] <Smegzor> now that my bug report is done, I'll reboot and see if that helps (hey it works for Windows)
[01:44] <Unxuxu> xtknight:  goooooood!   Working!   I fix it!   damnnn brain!
[01:44] <Smegzor> 10 zillion sad users can't be wrong..  can they?
[01:46] <os2mac> what is the final release date?
[01:46] <Flannel> os2mac: 24th
[01:46] <Unxuxu> xtknight:    Where is the best place to post my solution!???  I think the community will be greatful!
[01:47] <Luckrider> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62580/
[01:47] <Luckrider> has anyone gottent his problem with the most recent batch of updates?
[01:48] <xtknight> Unxuxu, um Bug 214341 i guess
[01:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214341 in flashplugin-nonfree "flash plugin md5sum outdated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214341
[01:48] <os2mac> Luckrider: yeah I am getting the same problem.
[01:49] <Luckrider> ok... so I am not the only ne
[01:49] <os2mac> if you go run synaptic you will also get a couple broken packages associated with it.
[01:49] <Luckrider> I am trying to install parallels, and can't now
[01:49] <Luckrider> yeah
[01:49] <os2mac> dunno know how to fix it yet.
[01:49] <Luckrider> it is some library
[01:49] <Luckrider> it is library for launchpad
[01:49] <Luckrider> stupid launchpad
[01:49] <Luckrider> !launchpad
[01:49] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[01:50] <Luckrider> so our bug tracker has a bu
[01:50] <Luckrider> *bug
[01:50] <Luckrider> oh, the irony
[01:51] <Luckrider> kde broke my box
[01:51] <Luckrider> oops
[01:51] <Luckrider> sorry wrong chan
[01:51] <iain> I'm having a problem with ark and kubuntu 8.04.  I'm trying to extract a .zip file and it keeps saying "could not write to the destination file".  Am I just doing something dumb here?
[01:51] <jaffarkelshac> how do you put wireless card in monitor mode
[01:53] <Smegzor> GRR!  Still can't change my wallpaper without icons.  Oh well, I'll just have to kill the icons the manual way
[01:53] <os2mac> iain, Sudo maybe? do you have rights to write to the directory?
[01:54] <iain> its in my home directory
[01:54] <os2mac> is it in a sub directory?
[01:54] <os2mac> that you created?
[01:54] <os2mac> did you set the permissions?
[01:55] <os2mac> or is extracting somewhere else you DON"T have perms to?
[01:58] <iain> permissions all look fine
[01:59] <os2mac> try doing it with sudo.
[01:59] <Luckrider> now,  can't update at all, there is a new updat that apreared a few seconds ago, and I can't install it
[01:59] <Luckrider> this stupid bug
[02:00] <Luckrider> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62580/
[02:00] <Luckrider> and
[02:00] <Luckrider> http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8553/screenshotsynapticerrorrk3.png
[02:00] <Luckrider> does anyone have any ideas about how to fix synaptic?
[02:01] <os2mac> Luckrider: which repository are you pointing to?
[02:01] <Gilou> Luckrider> use aptitude update
[02:01] <Gilou> this dependency issue has been solved
[02:02] <Luckrider> ok, let me try aptitude
[02:02] <Gilou> er just click "check for updates" or so in the update manager
[02:02] <os2mac> Gilou if he is point to a mirror it may not have filtered down yet.. I am pointed to the main repository and I am fixed.
[02:03] <Gilou> yeah might be, might also be outdated package information
[02:03] <Luckrider> I am in Northern-Eastern US
[02:03] <Luckrider> so
[02:03] <Luckrider> it may be faster than some other places
[02:03] <Gilou> yeah, I guess it depends on the mirror you use, but try to update your Packages info first, then we'll play with your mirror list ;)
[02:03] <Luckrider> it is still updating in the terminal
[02:04] <Luckrider> ok
[02:04] <Luckrider> wait for a pastebin
[02:04] <Luckrider> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62581/
[02:04] <Luckrider> there is the error I got from the update in terminal
[02:05] <Luckrider> oh
[02:05] <Luckrider> wait
[02:05] <DG19075> already doing the update download here
[02:05] <Luckrider> that was because I forgot that update manager is running
[02:05] <Luckrider> give me a sec
[02:05] <Gilou> yeah
[02:05] <Riskbreaker> hey boys i'm trying to compile something. see this thread.
[02:05] <Riskbreaker> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4669644
[02:05] <os2mac> Gilou: I switched to the main repository and that corrected the problem I don't think the US mirror has the changes yet.
[02:05] <Riskbreaker> there is a problem in the compilation
[02:05] <Riskbreaker> and they are saying to apply a patch
[02:05] <Riskbreaker> ....how do you do this?
[02:06] <Gilou> well, the good idea here would be to wait for the update
[02:06] <Gilou> instead of harassing the main servers :p
[02:06] <Gilou> Riskbreaker> patch -p0 < /path/to/file.diff
[02:06] <os2mac> and be patient... NEVER.. :) I are a linux user... Wait? do not want! :P
[02:06] <Riskbreaker> is pathtofile the  patch  or the object?
[02:07] <Gilou> the path to the patch file
[02:07] <yoandy> hi, my hardy doesnt detect my  bcm94311 wifi card, lspci show the card but is not detected at boot time, any clue?
[02:07]  * os2mac is in your repository downloading ur updates.
[02:07] <Gilou> !supported
[02:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about supported - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:07] <Luckrider> !hardware
[02:07] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[02:07] <Gilou> !thanks
[02:07] <Gilou> :)
[02:07] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[02:07] <Luckrider> that was better
[02:07] <Gilou> yeah
[02:07] <Luckrider> lol
[02:08] <Luckrider> I like ubotu
[02:08] <Gilou> :p
[02:08] <Luckrider> !hi
[02:08] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[02:08] <Luckrider> see
[02:08] <yoandy> Luckrider: no hard is for me?
[02:08] <Luckrider> what?
[02:09] <Riskbreaker> Gilou: i did  patch -p0 qc-usb-messenger-1.7-for-2.6.24.patch
[02:09] <Riskbreaker> and no response
[02:09] <Luckrider> yoandy, what are you talking about?
[02:09] <Riskbreaker> i dont have a command prompt either
[02:09] <Gilou> Riskbreaker> ok, just read once more what I typed
[02:09] <Gilou> :)
[02:09] <Riskbreaker> oh yeah
[02:09] <Riskbreaker> lol
[02:09] <Riskbreaker> sorry about that
[02:10] <Gilou> ^C will give you your prompt back
[02:10] <yoandy> Luckrider: forget about, i made a question, you said !hard and i though it was for me
[02:10] <Gilou> it was
[02:10] <Luckrider> oh
[02:10] <Luckrider> yeah
[02:10] <Luckrider> I saw hard and was confused
[02:10] <Riskbreaker> gilou: then in this case would i be patching the compile script?
[02:10] <Gilou> you'd be patching whatever the patch is patching :)
[02:11] <Riskbreaker> they don't really specify in the thread >,<
[02:11] <cyclonut> So folks, I need to be setting up a server in the next few days. I would like to do it on Hardy, as it has LTS, however, it is beta which means there may be some serious security vulnerabilities yet to come. What do you recommend I do?
[02:11] <Gilou> if it complains about not being able to find the files, try to increase the number of directory to strip  (-p1), it depends on how the patch was made
[02:11] <Gilou> you can edit the .diff file using a text editor
[02:12] <Gilou> it's "common" knowledge for people hacking code Riskbreaker, that's probably why it's not mentionned
[02:12] <Riskbreaker> yeah i figured
[02:12] <Gilou> cyclonut> install debian
[02:12]  * Gilou hides
[02:12] <Dr_willis> cyclonut,   wait a few days for it to get released?  It will be the next LTS  - so either go with the old LTS and upgrade in a few weeks.. or bite the beta bullet. and use it now.?
[02:12] <Luckrider> 16 days to be axact
[02:12] <Gilou> advice about ubuntu would be to use the beta for a few days
[02:12] <cyclonut> Dr_willis: thing is, I've got a timeline, I need it set up nowish
[02:13] <Luckrider> *exact
[02:13] <cyclonut> what is the security risk behind Hardy?
[02:13] <Dr_willis> cyclonut,  well willyou get fired if it screws up. :) or just yelled at..
[02:13] <cyclonut> or rather, how extreme is it
[02:13] <Gilou> set it up using the beta, and put your balls on the table
[02:13] <Dr_willis> I doube if thers much of a security risk.
[02:13] <cyclonut> Dr_willis: just yelled at ;) oh, and my university might sue me :-P
[02:13] <Gilou> it's based on a 2.6.24 kernel, so your main problem will be that
[02:13] <yoandy> so, any hints plz, why my broadcom card is not detected at boot time?
[02:13] <Luckrider> Dr_willis, the beta is very stable as long as you can update daily
[02:13] <cyclonut> Dr_willis: basically, I got a grant to provide Ruby/Rails hosting for students here
[02:14] <Dr_willis> but who knows . 4 days after its actually released ther MIGHT be some huge security issus pop up.. then again,  the old LTS may have some security issue show up also..
[02:14] <cyclonut> Dr_willis: I am in charge of setting up the server
[02:14]  * cyclonut is not a sysadmin
[02:14] <Luckrider> true
[02:14] <Gilou> cyclonut> give half of your grant to a sysadmin :p
[02:14]  * os2mac os2mac is
[02:14]  * Gilou is too
[02:14] <Luckrider> but still, I have found Ubuntu to be the most secure
[02:14] <Dr_willis> I would go with the beta then. :)
[02:14] <cyclonut> Dr_willis: okay, advice taken :)
[02:14] <Dr_willis> but its YOUR decision. :)
[02:15] <Luckrider> os2mac, so is that how you got me a pm?
[02:15]  * cyclonut expects intrusion log to show a "dr_willis" hitting server an inordinate number of times
[02:15] <Dr_willis> and youa re asking this in the beta channel.. so what other answer doyou expect.
[02:15] <cyclonut> Gilou: lol
[02:15] <os2mac> Luckrider: nope just have a registered nick
[02:15] <cyclonut> Dr_willis: truth. Thing is, I run Hardy without any trouble on my lappy
[02:15] <Luckrider> oh
[02:15] <cyclonut> Dr_willis: so I am partial too :-P
[02:15] <Luckrider> well... I just registered a minute ago
[02:15] <DG19075> Outside of the bugs, I've found HH very stable. Same goes for 7.04 and 7.10.
[02:15] <os2mac> Luckrider: well there you go.
[02:15] <Luckrider> but.. I have tried pm before registering weeks ago, that is why it didn't work
[02:16] <Luckrider> lol, so strange
[02:16] <AngryBacon> Need help with nvidia drivers, see:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4680700
[02:16]  * cyclonut hopes real sysadmin doesnt bring down the wrath of 1000 gods upon him
[02:16] <Luckrider> lol
[02:17]  * Luckrider opes to contibute for many years to come, and be promoted ot sysadmin
[02:17] <Luckrider> *hopes
[02:17] <Luckrider> *to
[02:17] <DG19075> ll the Ubuntu zversions I've run have been anvil-solid. Some of the audio apps are better than the Windows equivs!
[02:17] <cyclonut> luckrider: with that typing, you'll be rm -rf'ing your way to victory in no time
[02:17] <Luckrider> lol
[02:17] <os2mac> Luckrider: dunno if I would consider getting the title sysadmin a promotion.
[02:18] <Luckrider> oh well
[02:18] <os2mac> of course I are one.
[02:18] <Luckrider> no pay
[02:18] <Luckrider> lol
[02:18] <Luckrider> "I are one"
[02:18] <cyclonut> :-P
[02:18] <Gilou> I HAS ROOT
[02:18] <Luckrider> sos do Is
[02:18] <Luckrider> I has root no caps
[02:18] <os2mac> gave that shirt to one of the girls I work with... not realizing the double endendre.
[02:18] <Luckrider> see
[02:19] <Dr_willis> and we are impressed by this?
[02:19] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:19] <Luckrider> lol
[02:19] <Dr_willis> heh
[02:19] <DG19075> rofl
[02:19] <Luckrider> I want to get some of those fancy linux shirts
[02:19] <Dr_willis> My wife has a Tshirt with '404' on it. :)
[02:19] <Luckrider> of course, I have no internets monies
[02:19] <Luckrider> lol
[02:19] <Luckrider> I like that
[02:20] <Luckrider> I also like the shirt that says "In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates"
[02:20] <woodwizzle> nexuiz
[02:20] <woodwizzle> #nexuiz
[02:20] <woodwizzle> oops
[02:20] <woodwizzle> my bad
[02:20] <DG19075> would love a shirt with Tux on it, saying,,Linux Rules
[02:20] <Luckrider> exactly
[02:20] <Luckrider> I love geek shirts
[02:20] <diefordethklok> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=400236, would this tutorial work on hardy?
[02:20] <Luckrider> my freind has about 50 of them
[02:21] <Luckrider> most tututials do
[02:21]  * AngryBacon is wearing a shrodinger,s cat shirt
[02:21] <Luckrider> what version is it?
[02:21] <DG19075> but I wouldn't have Tux all crosseyed as I've seen him lately
[02:21] <diefordethklok> wusb64gc
[02:21] <Luckrider> no...
[02:21] <Luckrider> what version of Ubuntu
[02:21] <Luckrider> ?
[02:21] <diefordethklok> wusb54gc*
[02:21] <os2mac> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/itdepartment/5d6a/
[02:21] <diefordethklok> Oh, 8.04 is what i am gooing to be using
[02:22] <Luckrider> that is a great place for geek shirts
[02:22] <Luckrider> no... what version is the guide for?
[02:22] <diefordethklok> Idk
[02:22] <Dr_willis> Luckrider,  yep. Me and my wife have a lot of matching geek-tee shirts
[02:22] <Luckrider> oh
[02:22] <Luckrider> that is cool
[02:22] <Dr_willis> "All Your Base" and "Loading" and "404" :)
[02:22] <Luckrider> dieforthklok, just try it
[02:22] <Luckrider> if it doesn't work
[02:22] <diefordethklok> I did it on 7.10, it worked better than the windows drivers :)
[02:22] <Luckrider> then look again
[02:22] <Riskbreaker> hey gilou
[02:23] <os2mac> I am also a DBA.... http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/itdepartment/595d/
[02:23] <Luckrider> then it should work for Hardy
[02:23] <diefordethklok> Okay
[02:23] <diefordethklok> I love jinx for geek shirts :)
[02:23] <Riskbreaker> it says it couldn't find the file at line 3
[02:23] <Riskbreaker> this is line 3: @@ -3657,8 +3657,13 @@
[02:23] <Gilou> as I said..
  if it complains about not being able to find the files, try to increase the number of directory to strip  (-p1), it depends on how the patch was made
[02:24] <Riskbreaker> yeah i just wanna know if i should  even bother because that doesn't look to me like it references a file
[02:24] <Gilou> yeah but line 3 was after the meta information about the diff file
[02:24] <Gilou> (probably, not sure, but it looks like it ;))
[02:24] <Riskbreaker> meaning
[02:25] <Riskbreaker> p1 it is then?
[02:25] <Gilou> might be..
[02:25] <Riskbreaker> seems like it worked.
[02:29] <starscalling> @_@
[02:29] <Pelo> evening folks
[02:29] <derspankster> anyone using a FreeNAS server with Hardy?
[02:30] <woodwizzle> anyone else having trouble with liblaunchpad-integration1 not installing properly?
[02:31] <Luckrider> mine was doing it
[02:31] <Luckrider> just wait for the next update
[02:31] <Luckrider> that fixes it
[02:31] <virtuald> woodwizzle: i did have that problem, aptitude dist-upgrade fixed it
[02:33] <diefordethklok> Is the rt73 support going to be improved by the final release of hardy?
[02:33] <diefordethklok> This is painfully slow :S
[02:34] <Gilou> you can try to use it from the rtxx site
[02:35] <Gilou> last time a friend of mine needed something for a rt73 chipset, I had to get him a 2.6.24 kernel, so now that ubuntu uses such a kernel, it will probably work
[02:36] <diefordethklok> Okay.
[02:36] <Pelo> how stable is the beta ? I don'T usualy do betas but I'm a bit bored I'm considering it
[02:37] <diefordethklok> The beta is fine for me
[02:37] <derspankster> Pelo: running well here
[02:37] <diefordethklok> I haven't ran into any major problems here
[02:37] <Pelo> ok how would I go about getting it ?
[02:38] <derspankster> Pelo: you may miss some of your Firefox extension with Firefox 3 B5
[02:39] <Pelo> derspankster, I only have addblock plus and the one to stop things from autostaring , no biggy
[02:39] <diefordethklok> Click on the countdown thing on the homepage
[02:40] <diefordethklok> It'll tell you how
[02:40] <DG19075> Beta is running nicely here
[02:40] <Pelo> can I upgrade from a cd or just online ?
[02:41] <Dr_willis> Pelo,  any cd will proberly be a bit out of date.
[02:41] <Luckrider> I upgraded from CD
[02:41] <Luckrider> use the cd, then just update
[02:41] <diefordethklok> Live cd installation complete :)
[02:41] <derspankster> I did the online upgrade - went well
[02:41] <DG19075> nline upgrade works here too
[02:42] <DG19075> Online*
[02:42] <Pelo> I'll try online , hopefully it will be faster then when I tried the official upgrade way back when
[02:42] <diefordethklok> on a side note, does automatix have a hardy edition?
[02:42] <Pelo> diefordethklok, automatix is no more
[02:42] <diefordethklok> ?
[02:42] <derspankster> I'm not upgrading my desktop until final because I want to do a complete reinstall. Got a lot to get rid of and clean the slate.
[02:43] <diefordethklok> wow
[02:43] <diefordethklok> :(
[02:43] <derspankster> don't need it
[02:43] <Pelo> diefordethklok,  there was an article on diggs about it a few weeks ago,  hardy includes sufficent support for the usual automatrix stuff that they won't do it anymore
[02:43]  * Gilou will probably upgrade all his ubuntu boxes to 8.04, then stay on it for a while
[02:44] <Gilou> LTS has that effect on me
[02:44] <Gilou> :)
[02:44] <derspankster> Gilou: agreed
[02:44]  * Luckrider will stay with 8.04 until 8.10 comes out
[02:44] <diefordethklok> I haven't read digg in a while ...
[02:45] <DG19075> 8.10=Intrepid Ibex, osomething like that?
[02:45] <diefordethklok> Guess I should start :P
[02:45] <Gilou> actually, as always, it will depend on the new toys 8.10 brings :)
[02:45]  * Pelo might skip  intrepid ibex just because of the name
[02:46] <derspankster> I wonder what version of FF will ship with 8.04 final??
[02:46] <DG19075> good question
[02:46] <jbroome> derspankster: i dunno, it keeps me up at nights
[02:46] <derspankster> jbroome: really?
[02:47] <DG19075> is till trying to figure out what kind of creature the eft in Edgy Eft was...
[02:48] <RAOF> A salamander.
[02:48] <DG19075> :P
[02:48] <DG19075> Trying to go after the SuSE chameleon, as it?
[02:49] <DG19075> Tried SuSE 10.0 , but couldn't handle a lizard on the desktop
[02:50] <derspankster> tried other distros over the years but have stayed with Ubuntu for a while now.
[02:51] <nomasteryoda> the rpm distros are slower imho
[02:51] <Pelo> thanks for the info folks,  see you later
[02:52] <DG19075> Same here..with SuSE, Debian, Fedora, and Puppy, but the Big U wins in a rout
[02:52] <derspankster> jbroome: Firefox 3 final isn't due until mid June I think. Wouldn't think Hardy would ship with a Beta or
[02:52] <derspankster> sorry - or a RC
[02:53] <DG19075> and then an easy upgrade to final online I bet
[02:53] <derspankster> possibly
[02:58] <pen> Anyone know how to speed up Firefox scrolling speed?
[02:59] <derspankster> pen: do you have smooth scrolling enabled?
[02:59] <pen> derspankster: no, but the scrolling is not responsive
[03:00] <pen> derspankster: even the menu is delayed
[03:00] <derspankster> pen: Hmmm, I know that having smooth scrolling enabled slows it down on my box
[03:01] <derspankster> pen: what version?
[03:01] <pen> derspankster: Firefox b5
[03:02] <derspankster> pen: same as I am. No issue here. When was your last upgrade?
[03:02] <pen> today
[03:02] <pen> didn't you have one too?
[03:02] <pen> the 150mb one
[03:03] <pen> I don't understand why epiphany is so fast while firefox is so slow even I use safe mode
[03:03] <derspankster> always been a problem with B5?
[03:03] <pen> I don't know
[03:03] <pen> FF3 is slow in the betas
[03:04] <pen> is there a tweak to make it back like FF2?
[03:04] <DarkMageZ> you can install firefox 2 from the repositories
[03:04] <derspankster> not for me, actually more responsive than 2
[03:05] <derspankster> I am running both
[03:05] <DarkMageZ> i'm sure there are gonna be some small corner cases where firefox 3 is worse than firefox 2... hopefully they will be found and removed before launch.
[03:05] <pen> DarkMageZ: FF2 is already installed, but I think I like the new engine.
[03:05] <pen> the new gecko
[03:05] <pen> it renders better I think
[03:06] <Dr_willis> i just noticed that i installed ff2, and i run firefox-2 and it runs firefox 3-b5 L:)
[03:06] <Dr_willis> anyone else noticed this
[03:06] <Dr_willis> well bbl ya all.
[03:07] <pen> lol
[03:07] <pen> well
[03:07] <pen> no other tweak?
[03:07] <pen> maybe chrome
[03:07] <DarkMageZ> ... wow... that was very hit & run... i had the answer to his question as well.
[03:07] <pen> or something in about:config?
[03:07] <pen> DarkMageZ: ya
[03:07] <pen> DarkMageZ: he is in the hurry maybe
[03:08] <pen> oh no
[03:08] <DarkMageZ> lol, you don't ask questions when you've only got 10 seconds left
[03:08] <pen> it's also slow in FF2
[03:08] <pen> DarkMageZ: lol
[03:08] <pen> DarkMageZ: maybe you are right
[03:08] <DarkMageZ> pen, did you do anything retarded to your xorg.conf recently?
[03:08] <pen> what should I do now?
[03:08] <pen> oh
[03:08] <pen> I add something
[03:09] <pen> according to other people, the options should speed up FF3
[03:09] <pen> but they don't
[03:09] <pen> however, it worked
[03:09] <DarkMageZ> what is it that you added?
[03:09] <pen> before I change my nvidia powermizer to 2
[03:09] <pen> ok
[03:10] <pen> http://rafb.net/p/c7RRPX22.html
[03:11] <DarkMageZ> you added that entire chunk or that's your current chunk?
[03:12] <pen> that's it
[03:12] <pen> some are comment out
[03:12] <DarkMageZ> comment out 2,4 & 8 and see how that goes for you
[03:14] <yoandy> im reporting a bug cause my broadcom card its no working, if my wifi card its shown at lspci but its driver is not loaded at boot time, its right to say its not detected?
[03:15] <pen> DarkMageZ: k, brb
[03:15] <RAOF> yoandy: Yes.  However; have you run System->Administration->Hardware Drivers?  IIRC broadcom requires non-free firmware before it works.
[03:18] <pen> DarkMageZ: hey
[03:18] <pen> DarkMageZ: back to normal speed
[03:18] <pen> thx
[03:18] <pen> DarkMageZ: but can you tell me why?
[03:18] <pen> DarkMageZ: why that three?
[03:19]  * icanhasadmin prays this update doesn't crash like the last 2
[03:20] <decay> could someone tell me where the nvidia control panel is?
[03:20] <DarkMageZ> pen, i don't recall EXA being fully supported by nvidia. which could cause serious slowdowns ッ 2 & 4 there. 8 because the triple buffering could have also caused it.
[03:20] <Gilou> nvidia-config? :)
[03:20] <pen> decay: you have to install nvidia-settings first
[03:20] <pen> oops
[03:20] <pen> config maybe
[03:20] <pen> lol
[03:21] <Gilou> ah
[03:21] <Gilou> xconfig
[03:21] <pen> DarkMageZ: I thought EXA is newer
[03:21] <Gilou> nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-settings
[03:21] <Gilou> :)
[03:21] <DarkMageZ> pen, yes. you're right there. but the driver has to support exa's features completely or you lose serious performance.
[03:21] <decay> Gilou: pen: thank you
[03:21] <Gilou> ah I'm mistaken, nvidia-xconfig might only be to add the module information in the X11 conf
[03:21] <RAOF> nvidia don't support EXA or XXA.  They use their own RenderAccel acceleration thingy.
[03:21] <yoandy> RAOF, there's (i have) no bradcom driver option at "hardware drivers", anyway i followed instructions at http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 and still no luck, my card is not detected at boot time (i state this cause there is no trace from driver being loades at dmesg)
[03:22] <Gilou> so pen was right
[03:22] <pen> DarkMageZ: got the exa part, but then why triple buffer would slow down FF?
[03:22] <pen> Gilou: :)
[03:22] <yoandy> *loaded
[03:22] <pen> Gilou: you have to install that first then run that in either command or under System-Administration-NVIDIA X server information
[03:23] <RAOF> RenderAccel is crap at a couple of things, which is why nouveau is faster at 2d (on my card at least).
[03:23] <pen> RAOF: I see
[03:23] <pen> RAOF: then how about triple buffering?
[03:24] <RAOF> Dunno.  That increases the latency between rendering and display (of 3D), but I can't see offhand why it'd slow down 2d.
[03:24] <pen> RAOF: so do I need to comment out the RenderAccel too?
[03:25] <RAOF> No, because that'd disable *all* 2D acceleration, and RenderAccel _is_ better than nothing (EXA was, until recently, worse than nothing in some situations).
[03:26] <jaffarkelshac> how do i find out if my wifi card can be set to monitor mode
[03:26] <DarkMageZ> pen, you can try adding the triple buffer back if you want. i was just wiping out some potential causes.
[03:26] <pen> DarkMageZ: I see
[03:26] <pen> nevertheless, thx for the help
[03:26] <tale_> I have some nfs mounts that are automatically mounted via /etc/fstab.  When I login with Hardy they are mounted, icons are placed on the desktop, and nautilus windows are opened for each share.  Is there a way that I can make it not open the nautilus windows?
[03:27] <yoandy> ops, lost connection!
[03:27] <yoandy> RAOF, did you said something about my broadcom :)
[03:28] <RAOF> yoandy: No; you seemed to have covered all the bases.  Bug filing time (search first - it's probably been reported already).
[03:28] <yoandy> RAOF, ok thanks!
[03:30] <Pelo> evening again folks
[03:30] <Pelo> what kind of speeds have you all been getting for the online upgrade ? I hover between 50k and 150, it's a bit disappointing
[03:31] <tale_> anybody else annoyed by the behavior of nfs mounts?
[03:33] <Sergeant_Pony> now that I have my sound working 100%. I can work on getting my wireless working :)
[03:34] <thelsdj> Anyone know if theres known issues with firefox beta5 crashing a lot?
[03:34] <icanhasadmin> thelsdj: indeed yes
[03:35] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: what wifi card?
[03:35] <tale_> yes, firefox crashes a lot on flash sites for me
[03:35] <thelsdj> for me its crashing basically idle, also freezing up a lot (goes grey) when i'm not even using any dynamic sites or loading any pages, just reading a static page
[03:36] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin: let me check it's an AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter
[03:37] <tale_> I'm really surprised that the beta isn't a little more stable.
[03:37] <tale_> I'm also seeing an issue where my "network bookmarks" disappear.
[03:38] <tale_> I can create a launcher to connect to a server and it disappears after a reboot
[03:38] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin: I'm assuming it's a driver issue...
[03:38] <tale_> anybody else seeing this behavior?
[03:39] <Sergeant_Pony> tale_ I use "connect to server"
[03:39] <tale_> do your bookmarks disappear?
[03:40] <tale_> they changed the options for the connect to server dialog
[03:40] <Sergeant_Pony> tale_ I dunno... don't save bookmarks for connecting to different servers
[03:40] <tale_> so now it contains a create bookmark checkbox and it allows you to specify the name
[03:40] <tale_> it will create an icon on your desktop and put a bookmark on the left in nautilus
[03:41] <tale_> the only problem is that they aren't persistant like they were in gutsy
[03:41] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: heh, there's 1 way to fix it, and it's not fun.
[03:41] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin oh?
[03:42] <akk> gah, why doesn't hardy resume from hibernate?
[03:43] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: just had to do it myself ona n acer. there's a patch from a link on madwifi.org's compatibility page. the AR242x is actually the ar5007. problem is the patched drivers can screw with HAL and stop you from booting properly if it's incompatible with your kernel version
[03:43] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin so I need to see what kernel I'm running? and make sure it's compatible
[03:45] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: in other words, i got it to work on 1 box after having to reinstall twice, and there's not enough documentation to say for sure what it's compatible with and what it isn't. i can tell you if you use HAL and -16 it may crash horribly
[03:45] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin: I'm running this kernel- 2.6.24-15-generic (#1 SMP Tue Apr 8 00:33:51 UTC 2008)
[03:45] <Sergeant_Pony> I do have hal installed under restricted drivers
[03:46] <Sergeant_Pony> and it is in use (activated)
[03:46] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: there's a pretty good chance it'll work. I mean i know for a FACT the wifi will work the second you install them and load ath_pci, but as i said.. may bork your install. can't promise anything.
[03:47] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: but i'll get you the link if you like
[03:47] <IamReck> He all I was just having a little problem with System Monitor in Ubuntu 8.04 Beta
[03:47] <IamReck> Whenever I go to the resource tab, it takes up my CPU to %100 percent
[03:47] <Sergeant_Pony> hmmm... it would be nice to be able to use it... I guess I will have to go for it and hope for the best ;)
[03:48] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: yeah, just whatever you did you get your audio working, make sure it's backed up or you can do it again
[03:48] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin: I knowwhat I did so I can recreate it if necessary
[03:48] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: ok, gimme 1 sec. i'm running a package manager so i'm a bit laggy
[03:49] <Sergeant_Pony> I'll be heading home in about 10 minutes, I'm at work. But I will be back on when I get home.
[03:49] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: ok, i'm not going to be here probabaly. maybe i can point you to the right page to get the link?
[03:50] <Sergeant_Pony> ok, sure
[03:50] <IamReck> Anyone else having the same problem?
[03:51] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: actually, i found a nice little guide: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/atheros-5007eg-with-madwifi-on-i386-platform.html
[03:51] <Sergeant_Pony> cool, thanks
[03:53] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: in your Hardware Drivers, do you only have HAL or you have something else that involves your wifi card?
[03:54] <Sergeant_Pony> I have another for wifi and I will have to disable that?
[03:54] <FliesLikeABrick> if I told gnome to rotate my display under System->Preferences->Screen Resolution, what file is that option saved in?  I changed it, nothing shows up right, and I need to manually revert the change
[03:55] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: you'll have to yes. also you should sudo rmmod ath_pci before you make install on the new ones
[03:55] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin: ok...
[03:55] <Sergeant_Pony> be back in a bit
[03:56] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: ok, make yourself familiar with ifconfig and iwconfig, you'll need it. also possibly even wlanconfig.
[03:56] <Sergeant_Pony> ok, thanks.. I'll be back
[03:56] <icanhasadmin> kk
[04:01] <r00723r0> Why are desktop effects not loading?
[04:02] <pleaseandthankyo> is there a good diet softwares? like for a diabetes guy or a healthy living diet software for person who has heart d eases?
[04:06] <icanhasadmin> pleaseandthankyo: i'm very sorry.. but maybe #defocus ?
[04:07] <rpedro_> pleaseandthankyo: a quick google search found this article http://www.linux.com/articles/51606
[04:09] <pawan> when is the new version coming out
[04:09] <icanhasadmin> pawan: april 24th?
[04:09] <DanaG> wtf?  openoffice is dark and greyscale.
[04:10] <r00723r0> Does anyone know why desktop effects might not work?
[04:10] <r00723r0> I have an nVidia 7600GT with latest drivers installed through Synaptic.
[04:13] <icanhasadmin> r00723r0: could be 100 reasons. i suggest #compiz-fusion if no one is around here
[04:13] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: Calc broke it. I saw him do it.
[04:19] <DanaG> Huh? I think I missed the joke there.
[04:22] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: you know calc... he manages the OOo package... he's right there *points*
[04:24] <x1250> Any where I can find a hardy nightly build iso?
[04:24] <jbroome> !nightly | x1250
[04:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nightly - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:24] <jbroome> doh
[04:24] <x1250> bu
[04:26] <sivel27> hello again
[04:26] <dapiz987> my ubuntu system will not detect my windows samba shared printer (im on 8.04) can anyone help me?
[04:27] <dapiz987> my windows pcs detect it fine
[04:27] <sivel27> i cant seem to fix this problem when using apt
[04:27] <sivel27> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:27] <sivel27>  /var/cache/apt/archives/liblaunchpad-integration1_0.1.18_i386.deb
[04:28] <sivel27> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[04:28] <dapiz987> can anyone help me with that?
[04:29] <mheath> sivel27: Were you running apt-get from the command line?
[04:29] <virtuald> sivel27: dist-upgrade worked for me
[04:29] <virtuald> but that was aptitude dist-upgrade
[04:29] <sivel27> yes
[04:29] <mheath> sivel27: Do an apt-get update, then retry it
[04:30] <mheath> You might have to do an apt-get -f install
[04:30] <icanhasadmin> i second mheath
[04:30] <mheath> I was having problems with that package earlier in the night, too, but it seems that it was fixed by a package released just barely.
[04:30] <sivel27> ok, im trying noe
[04:30] <sivel27> now
[04:32] <sivel27> well, a little updateing left to go, but so far it looks to be working, thanks everyone
[04:38] <DanaG> !aptitude
[04:38] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[04:38] <DanaG> I likey Aptitude.
[04:42] <iMatter> meh...
[04:42] <robc4> has anyone used the .xml wallpaper feature yet?
[04:42] <moj0rising> I haven't.
[04:42] <T1m0thy> What is it? o.o
[04:43] <robc4> I thought it was supposed to be in gnome 2.20
[04:43] <robc4> you can drag an .xml file into the wallpaper section and if its set right, it auto changes the wallpaper at set times
[04:43] <robc4> like fedora 8 did
[04:43] <robc4> with infinity
[04:43] <moj0rising> neat.
[04:43] <moj0rising> I use KDE so I don't know much about that.
[04:43] <robc4> however, its not working yet
[04:44] <moj0rising> Does anyone here know how I might remove the restricted braodcom wifi driver via the command line?
[04:44] <moj0rising> after upgrading to hardy...
[04:44] <moj0rising> ...I get an error, "b43-phy0 error: you must go to http://linuxwireless.org"
[04:44] <moj0rising> and x won't load.
[04:44] <DanaG> I want that wallpaper feature, too!
[04:44] <pen> ?
[04:44] <DanaG> It may seem like a small feature, but it can be beautiful if done correctly.
[04:44] <pen> what feature
[04:44] <moj0rising> I'm hoping removing the driver will bring x back.
[04:45] <robc4> I suggested it 4 or 5 months ago, but it doesnt seem its in there yet
[04:45] <DanaG> Where's the suggestion?  I'd like to comment on it.
[04:45] <pen> Anyone know how to get ZSNES sound quality back?
[04:45] <robc4> Marain from Fedora explained how it works in an interview back in october or something
[04:45] <robc4> let me get it
[04:46] <robc4> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=612561
[04:47] <DanaG> Aah.  It's not a bug-report or a Launchpad blueprint, then.
[04:47] <virtuald> moj0rising: sudo rmmod driver-name from the console
[04:47] <robc4> no, I have no clue how to get this to the devels
[04:47] <robc4> there is too many ways
[04:47] <robc4> *are
[04:47] <robc4> it would probably take them 5 minutes :)
[04:48] <Pirate_Hunter> hello finally using hardy but whats going on with my resolution, I want it either 1024x980 or higher, how can i do this?
[04:48] <DanaG> Imagine seeing a landscape change over the day.... it'd be awesome.
[04:49] <robc4> yea, that is what they did
[04:49] <DanaG> I've tried applying the patch to Ubuntu, but it didn't apply.
[04:49] <DanaG> Oh, and while they're at it, they should add support for ARGB.
[04:49] <robc4> they have an .xml file for the infinity wallpaper that changes every hour all day
[04:49] <robc4> its a set of 24 wallpapers
[04:49] <robc4> the blue changes to black and then light green in the morning
[04:49] <DanaG> Actually, it's just 4 images; it blends them on the fly.
[04:49] <robc4> Mairain posted a link with 24 images
[04:50] <DanaG> Instead of doing an "allow other apps to pain wallpaper", you could just set the Gnome wallpaper to transparent to use the Compiz wallpaper plugin.
[04:50] <robc4> hmm
[04:50] <DanaG> But I want (both!) features!
[04:50] <DanaG> ARGB and slideshow.
[04:50] <robc4> so is the best way to create a launchpad blueprint?
[04:50] <Pirate_Hunter> hmmm can someone help me get resolution working plz, it seems i can only go up to 920x... which is absurd, plz some help?
[04:51] <robc4> I dont want to go into ubuntu-devel and throw it at them
[04:51] <DanaG> Or a wishlist bugreport.
[04:51] <DanaG> !blueprint
[04:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blueprint - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:51] <DanaG> !launchpad
[04:51] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[04:51] <DanaG> I'm not sure how to do blueprints, myself.
[04:54] <robc4> I am afraid I will mess everything up
[04:54] <robc4> lol
[04:56] <DanaG> Oh, I've wished for that feature for quite a while, since I first discovered it.
[04:56] <brandi_> virtuald: Thanks!
[04:56] <robc4> well bump it up on the forums
[04:56] <robc4> lol
[04:56] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone help me get resolution on hardy higher than 920x.... as I find that absurd?
[04:57] <robc4> --dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:57] <robc4> are you familiar with the terminal?
[04:57] <os2mac> yes
[04:57] <brandi_> virtuald: Silly question. Can you tell me how I tell what the driver name is to remove?
[04:58] <EdLin> Pirate_Hunter, if robc4's advice doesn't work, try editing xorg.conf using information from the Gentoo wiki. I had to do that for my Acer AL2216W. Now I get 1680x1050 - its native res.
[04:58] <DanaG> dpkg-reconfigure doesn't help anymore.
[04:58] <virtuald> brandi_: do an lsmod and try to find it there
[04:59] <virtuald> brandi_: lsmod|more
[04:59] <Pirate_Hunter> robc4, EdLin: what i dont understand is why the screen setting mostly found in administrator has been removed its like on every release the developers do something outrages :\
[04:59] <brandi_> thanks again, virtuald. Giving that a go.
[04:59] <virtuald> no problem
[04:59] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: you try that thing?
[05:00] <EdLin> Pirate_Hunter, I've filed a bug, hopefully the developers will get the message. Else #ubuntu will be even more busy. ;-)
[05:00] <pen> Anyone know how to get ZSNES sound quality back?
[05:00] <Pirate_Hunter> EdLin: can you post me the Gentoo link you used?
[05:01] <brandi_> Darn. I don't see anything that looks like it might have anything to do with this driver.
[05:01] <brandi_> in lsmod
[05:01] <Pirate_Hunter> EdLin: yeah most likely but i wanted to use hardy as i reformated my disks
[05:01] <EdLin> Pirate_Hunter, I don't remember. Put the name of your monitor into the gentoo wiki's search I assume will make it show up.
[05:02] <EdLin> or use site:gentoo.org somesang foobar 2112 (assuming that's the name of your monitor) and see what google turns up.
[05:02] <brandi_> ah. Well. I do see information on the wifi in lspci
[05:02] <EdLin> if you have the same monitor as me, I can share my xorg.conf.
[05:03] <brandi_> but not sure how that might help me remove the driver.
[05:03] <Pirate_Hunter> EdLin: ok thanx I cant believe im upset already with hardy and it doesnt recognise the command --dpkg-reconfigure :/ im very cross considering its 5.03 in the mourn :\
[05:03] <EdLin> no dashes, just dpkg-reconfigure
[05:03] <robc4> yea,  Igot the dashes wrong
[05:03] <EdLin> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[05:04] <icanhasadmin> EdLin: does that still work in Hardy?
[05:04] <EdLin> not for me
[05:05]  * DanaG uses a manual xorg.conf.
[05:05]  * EdLin does too, but hopes that this will be fixed for people who can't handle the command line
[05:05] <akk> I discovered yesterday that I can cp /dev/null /etc/X11/xorg.conf, restart X and it still works
[05:06] <akk> who needs xorg.conf?
[05:06] <akk> :)
[05:06] <starscalling> arg
[05:06] <EdLin> my monitor would only go up to 640x480 without a manually edited xorg.conf
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> akk, lol
[05:06] <EdLin> believe me, that's bad.
[05:06] <DG19075> eww
[05:07] <akk> EdLin: I'm still looking for a decent reference on overriding whatever stupidly low resolution the monitor requests
[05:07]  * DanaG needs one.
[05:07] <EdLin> well, eventually I managed 800x600, until I disabled safe mode
[05:07] <DanaG> Can't tweak touchpad without it.
[05:07] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[05:07] <Pirate_Hunter> EdLin: dpkg works here
[05:07] <DanaG> Look at all the nifty stuff you can do.
[05:07] <akk> yeah, I ended up having one anyway so I can set my capslock key to be ctrl
[05:07] <EdLin> Pirate_Hunter, great!
[05:07] <Mit> Hi I can't seem to find any reference to this issue in launchpad or the ubuntu forums... but after upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04 alpha
[05:07] <Mit> I can mount my cdrom drive
[05:07] <akk> and if I wanted to enable the synaptics driver, I'd need it for that (but it's so buggy anyway)
[05:07] <Pirate_Hunter> icanhasadmin: dpkg works here for me but than im still on keyboard options and i want resolution
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> DanaG, true... xorg is required for the touchpad and wacom tweaks
[05:07] <Mit> * I can't mount my cdrom
[05:08] <Mit> when ever I issue the cmd mount /media/cdrom
[05:08] <DanaG> And you can't hotplug Synaptics.
[05:08] <DanaG> Synaptics isn't buggy for me.
[05:09] <akk> yeah, I think it's only buggy because I have an Alps trackpad
[05:09] <Mit> this is the error I get:
[05:09] <Mit> mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[05:09] <Mit> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0,
[05:09] <Mit>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[05:09] <Mit>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[05:09] <Mit>        dmesg | tail  or so
[05:09] <akk> it does lots of weird little things, like whenever i resume from suspend it sends a spurious right-click so I come back to a posted context menu
[05:10] <akk> and it disables the sonypi driver
[05:10] <Pirate_Hunter> EdLin, icanhasadmin: nope just allows keyboard setting AHHHH to early in the mourn to be using my brain.... well going to sleep and wake up in around 21 min :D
[05:10] <DanaG> Aah.
[05:10] <DanaG> Alps sucks.
[05:10] <icanhasadmin> lol
[05:10] <icanhasadmin> Hardy is making a lot of very tired smart people world 'round :D
[05:10] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone tell Mit to use pastebin
[05:10] <Mit> what is pastebin?
[05:10] <Pirate_Hunter> !pastebin | Mit
[05:10] <ubotu> Mit: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[05:10] <DanaG> One of my friends has a laptop that only detects alps touchpad after a second unload and load of psmouse.
[05:12] <akk> The only reason I wanted the synaptics driver is to disable tapping=left click
[05:12] <Mit> so how do I use Pastebin? do I just paste my message into there?
[05:12] <Mit> sorry I've never been in this channel
[05:12] <akk> 'cause the normal mouse driver has gotten really sensitive about that (used to be much better)
[05:12] <Mit> I've usually been able to find work aroudnds
[05:12] <omar_> Guys, some of the python based applications don't work with me, maybe because I tried to install the latest alpha version of python. can anyone help?
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> Mit, its ok... happens to everyone
[05:13] <x1250> Mit, yes, just paste it there and you'll have a link to you post, and you can show us that link...
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> just paste your contents into pastebin and let us see the url to it
[05:13] <i2c4u> how can there is no i2c-isa.ko module on hardy (beta)? is it supposed to be that way?
[05:14] <EnderTheThird> Anyone know a fix to npviewer crashing all the time in Firefox 3 Beta 5?  I'm not sure if it's a Hardy problem or not, but I do know that I never had so many Flash crashes in Gutsy.
[05:15] <Mit> here is the url:
[05:15] <Mit> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62599/
[05:17] <DanaG> Flash in Firefox 3:
[05:17] <DanaG> *segfault* *segfault* *segfault* *segfault* *segfault* *segfault* *segfault* *segfault*
[05:18] <DanaG> Lovel.y
[05:18] <DanaG> Lovely.
[05:18] <robc4> seeya guys
[05:18] <DanaG> I just ♡♥♡♥ Flash.  NOT.
[05:18] <EnderTheThird> DanaG:  Yeah, not fun.  Is it FF3 that's causing trouble (beyond Adobe being a bunch of jerks)?
[05:18] <DanaG> It only crashes on youtube.com, though.
[05:18] <DanaG> Every 3 pages or so.  At least last time I tried, that is.
[05:19] <EnderTheThird> Going back to Gutsy wouldn't help though, right?  I was using Beta in Gutsy and never had this problem.
[05:20] <DanaG> Beats me.
[05:20] <Mit> I've had issues with Flash and Firefox under linux all the time to the point I just block it with flashblock or noscript
[05:21] <Mit> even on Firefox 2
[05:21] <Mit> on Fiesty
[05:21] <Mit> I think it's just adobe's Flash Pluggin for LInux Is just really buggy.
[05:21] <EnderTheThird> Damned flash video makes it hard to go without for me.  :-/
[05:21] <Mit> doesn't help that Firefox doesn't protect it self from plugin crashes
[05:22] <DanaG> *segfault*
[05:22] <DanaG> yay.
[05:22] <Mit> it just crashed on me too
[05:22] <Mit> going to youtube
[05:22] <Mit> could be the new beta 5 that's doing it
[05:23] <Mit> have you tried running and older beta?
[05:23] <jbroome> i'm on x86_64 so that's not helping
[05:24] <ChaosParser> For flash issues, try Opera's new beta, Kestrel.  It works and its fantastic.
[05:24] <x1250> anyone has experience the "grey window bug" ? Suddenly a programs window turn into grey, like if it were disabled or something. Only fix is to kill and restart the app...
[05:24] <x1250> someone?
[05:25] <x1250> this has happend with firefox and pidgin
[05:25] <Jordan_U> ChaosParser, Does it somehow magically make the flash plugin not crash or does the plugin crashing not crash the browser ( like with nspluginwrapper ? )
[05:25] <Mit> so any thoughts on what I can tweak to get my cdrom working again?
[05:25] <Mit> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62599/
[05:25] <Jordan_U> x1250, That means that it is not responding ( it's a feature of compiz )
[05:26] <RAOF> x1250: You'd be using Compiz, yes?  That happens when the windows don't respond (specifically, to a WM_PING message, or somesuch).
[05:26] <Mit> sometimes though it will respond at a later date
[05:26] <Jordan_U> x1250, For firefox try getting flashblock
[05:26] <RAOF> x1250: The upshot is: the app is broken, hit it with a stick.
[05:27] <ChaosParser> Jordan_U: I have never had it crash yet.
[05:27] <Mit> are there any other commands I'm forgeting or don't know about that can help you guys trouble shoot the cdrom issue in 8.04?
[05:28] <x1250> Yes, compiz here... Ok, I'll wait some new updates then.
[05:28] <DanaG> Argh, Wine can't do surround on my audigy2.
[05:28] <x1250> Mit, I saw your pastebin, but cannot help :(
[05:29] <Mit> anyone have suggestions how to write a launchpad bug?
[05:29] <Mit> or if there is a better place to get the devs attentions?
[05:29] <RAOF> Mit: Launchpad bugs are it.
[05:29] <RAOF> Mit: There are any number of suggestions.  Let me find a link...
[05:29] <x1250> you can always try ubuntuforums.org if nobody knows how to help here...
[05:30] <RAOF> Mit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs is probably a good start.
[05:30] <DanaG> Any of you use Wine with surround?
[05:31] <andrew__> hi i just installed 8.10 beta and i'm trying to compile something (fwcutter) but it spits out a few pages of errors. What should I do ?
[05:32] <Jordan_U> andrew__, Why are you trying to compile fwcutter? It's available in the repos
[05:32] <andrew__> oh I didnt know
[05:32] <andrew__> was following some linux wireless tutorial
[05:32] <Jordan_U> andrew__, First off, have you tried System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers?
[05:32] <andrew__> no
[05:33] <andrew__> i will
[05:33] <andrew__> no prop drivers in use
[05:33]  * DanaG needeth help with Wine.
[05:34] <DanaG> Or can Wine just not do surround?
[05:34] <DanaG> I try to tell it to use surround51:1, it instead uses hw:1.
[05:34] <RAOF> DanaG: I'd be tempted to suggest that it doesn't do surround.
[05:34] <Jordan_U> DanaG, What, do you have a drinking problem?
[05:34] <DanaG> ... and then tries to open 6 channels on the 2-channel virtual device.
[05:35]  * Jordan_U plays scenes from airplane in his head
[05:35] <DanaG> Audigy2 does surround oddly -- it only maps correctly if you use surround51.
[05:35] <cr0mulent> 214 updates and I installed the beta two days ago, awesome.
[05:35] <cr0mulent> Are there nightly changes added to the update manager in the beta?
[05:35] <woodwizzle> Does hardy have a GUI tool to configure multiple monitors?
[05:35] <andrew__> ok got fwutter now
[05:36] <andrew__> what would cause those errors compiling tho
[05:36] <andrew__> some package i need ?
[05:36] <Jordan_U> woodwizzle, I think system -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution does it but I am not sure
[05:36] <andrew__> obviously
[05:36] <andrew__> but which one
[05:37] <woodwizzle> Jordan_U: I thought so too. But it only shows 1 monitor even though i have more plugged in
[05:37] <Jordan_U> andrew__, Easiest thing to do if the package is available in the repos but you still need to compile from source for some reason is to "sudo apt-get build-dep <package>"
[05:40] <cr0mulent> Jordan_U: can you add compile script options after the package name?
[05:40] <Jordan_U> cr0mulent, No, it only grabs the build dependencies for the package as configured in the repository
[05:45] <Mit> thanks for the help
[05:48] <cr0mulent> Jordan_U: Are nightly builds of packages downloadable from the update manager?
[05:49] <RAOF> cr0mulent: I think you misunderstand how Ubuntu development works.
[05:49] <J-_> When I go to turn off my mounted drive(external) for some reason it leaves an empty folder in /media/disk then when I turn it back on/remount it, it remounts o na different name and the files, etc.. are there.
[05:50] <J-_> when it remounts, it is /media/disk-1 or something like that
[05:50] <DanaG> disk_
[05:50] <DanaG> disk__
[05:50] <DanaG> disk__
[05:50] <DanaG> disk_________________
[05:51] <RAOF> cr0mulent: Packages are built exactly once per version (per arch).  You get new versions of packages from the update manager, yes.
[05:51] <J-_> Never happened before in earlier versions of Ubuntu
[05:51] <RAOF> That's because it's a bug.
[05:51] <RAOF> That's been recently introduced; there's a LP bug & a thread on Ubuntuforums (with a workaround).
[05:51] <DanaG> I've had the issue before, actually.
[05:51] <DanaG> Ages ago.
[05:52] <J-_> I never did. =)
[05:52] <Finnish> Where can I get MS-fonts for OpenOffice?
[05:52] <Fritzel> is there a way I can tell kde4 to maximize a window to take up the full screen similar to the way compiz does it with a keybinding?
[05:52] <chapocero> Where can i go to report errors that I am recieving while installing updates?
[05:53] <DanaG> msttcorefonts
[05:53] <DanaG> for MS fonts.
[05:53] <Jordan_U> Finnish, I think just installing msttcorefonts should do it, though I have never tried with OpenOffice specifically
[05:53] <RAOF> Fritzel: Probably.  But maybe not; KDE 4 hasn't yet finished porting the thousand and one pointless options it used to have :P
[05:54] <Fritzel> -nod- any clue if there's a way to use compiz as a temporary replacement till kde4 comes into it's own?
[05:54] <Fritzel> !compiz
[05:54] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[05:54] <ChaosParser> Fritzel: Yeah, just use compiz-settings-manager.
[05:55] <Fritzel> ChaosParser: my question was more about getting them to coexist
[05:55] <DanaG> git compiz supports kde4 if you have the development stuff installed.
[05:55] <Jordan_U> Fritzel, I would expect you to be able to just "compiz --replace" ( you will obviously loose any kwin functionality then though )
[05:56] <Fritzel> yeah but my problems seem to com from plasma
[05:56] <Fritzel> actually
[05:56] <Fritzel> nevermind
[05:56] <Fritzel> is it possible to run kde4 without plasma would be a better question but I have a hunch I'm not goign to like the answer
[05:57] <Jordan_U> Fritzel, I would ask in #kubuntu, there is probably a "maximumize" and I don
[05:57] <Jordan_U> ... don't think they will mind you asking about KDE 4 on Hardy even though it's technically not the right place to ask
[05:58] <Fritzel> I was just about to say they'ld just send me here
[05:58] <Jordan_U> Fritzel, Well whatever you do, don't tell them I sent you :)
[05:58] <J-_> Is Firefox 2 in Hardy repos?
[05:58] <omar__> Guys, it seems that gtk is not installed on my machine, which is important in order to run Python based applications, what's the command to install it?
[05:59] <Jordan_U> J-_, Why would you want firefox 2?
[05:59]  * Jordan_U loves his FF3
[05:59] <J-_> FF3 beta 5 is a mess
[05:59] <Fritzel> firefox 3 has practically none of my addons :(
[05:59] <J-_> Could be my fault though
[05:59] <Jordan_U> J-_, A mess in what way?
[05:59] <Fritzel> other than no addons, I think FF3 is a great improvement ^^
[06:00] <J-_> I added firefox 2 addons to FF3, and well, it updated to Beta 5 and it's a bit horrid ;)
[06:00] <J-_> The UI that is
[06:01] <omar__> Can anyone help tell me what's the command to install gtk??
[06:02] <Jordan_U> omar_, mind if I ask why? gtk isn't worth much without applications to use it, and applications that need it should bring it in when installed
[06:02] <Fritzel> is there a git for dummies guide somewhere?
[06:04] <Fritzel> I would prefer to use compiz on hardy if I can get it to work unfortunatly I've never been able to figure out how to get it directly from the source
[06:04] <Fritzel> mainly due to git
[06:04] <pen> Anyone know how to get ZSNES sound quality back?
[06:05] <omar__> Jordan_U: That's the problem, none of the python-based applications work on my machine now, and might be because I tried to install pyhton version 3.00 alpha, and now I'm trying to fix them.
[06:05] <Jordan_U> omar_, sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0 ( I think )
[06:05] <J-_> Fritzel: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=intitle%3Agit+filetype%3Apdf&btnG=Search&meta=
[06:05] <RAOF> Maybe _that's_ why git is so impenetrable!  As a way of keeping the less knowledgable from running unstable code!
[06:05] <Jordan_U> omar_, How did you install the python 3.00 alpha?
[06:05]  * Fritzel chuckles
[06:05] <Fritzel> it certainly has kept me away
[06:06] <Fritzel> thanks J-_
[06:06] <omar__> Jordan_U: I downloaded it from the net at www.python.org
[06:06] <Flannel> omar__: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/libgtk2.0-0
[06:06] <RAOF> Fritzel: On the other hand, why are you installing compiz from git? :)
[06:07] <Fritzel> because someone just said I should get it directly from the devs for it to be kde4 friendly?  and last I tried they didn't let you get it without gitting it
[06:07] <RAOF> !info compiz-kde hardy | Fritzel
[06:07] <ubotu> fritzel: compiz-kde (source: compiz): OpenGL window and compositing manager - KDE window decorator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.7.2-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 102 kB, installed size 272 kB
[06:08] <RAOF> Or is that not what you mean?  KDE4 really shouldn't care that you're using Compiz as your compositing manager.
[06:08] <Fritzel> you can tell ubotu is getting upset with me :P it didn't even take the time to capitalize my name like you did ><
[06:09] <J-_> Wow. lol
[06:09] <RAOF> Our (regular) compiz probably isn't built against kde4, and probably can't handle kde4 window decoration themes, but should otherwise work fine?
[06:10] <Fritzel> well it, hang on let me install it and I can explain it better
[06:10] <omar_> Flannel: But this package seems to be already installed.
[06:10] <Flannel> omar_: assuming its the Gutsy version, then you do have gtk
[06:10] <Flannel> omar_: You may need the python bindings or something, but you do have gtk
[06:11] <omar_> Flannel: Nope, it's not Gutsy it's Hardy
[06:11] <Flannel> omar_: Er, thats what I meant.  That was the Gutsy version
[06:11] <omar_> Flannel: Oh okay.
[06:11] <pen> is there a way to make one app use oss?
[06:11] <omar_> Flannel: Then can you give me the Hardy version?
[06:12] <pen> in hardy
[06:12] <Flannel> omar_: Its probably the same package.  If you're on hardy and that package is installed, it just means the package name didn't change.
[06:12] <Flannel> omar_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/libgtk2.0-0  same name
[06:12] <Fritzel> actually nevermind everything looks fine off the bat, perhaps whatever my problem was before has been resolved
[06:13] <omar_> Flannel: But what might be preventing the python based applications to work on my michine?
[06:13] <Flannel> omar_: No idea.  Like I said, you may need the python bindings.
[06:14] <omar_> Flannel: Where do I get them?
[06:14] <Flannel> omar_: but, assuming you have Ubuntu, you should already have them
[06:14] <omar_> Flannel: Yes but I migth have lost them when I tried to install the Alpha version of Python3.0
[06:15] <dwidmann> Hmm, seems the multimedia hotkeys crash some background process in Kubuntu Hardy :(
[06:15] <Fritzel> umm what's the best way to launch compiz at login? I think when I logout it'll go back to the default manager won't it?
[06:15] <dwidmann> Fritzel: I dunno, maybe someone in #compiz-fusion would know (I think that's the right channel name, not sure)
[06:16] <Fritzel> dwidmann: alright I'll check there
[06:16] <Flannel> omar_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/python-gtk2
[06:18] <J-_> Finally, the darn drive mounted proper after about 6 tries. <3
[06:19] <Fritzel> excuse this tiny paste, but it's relative to my next question
[06:19] <Fritzel>  <FusioBot> Fritzel: There is no standard way to autostart compiz on kde, options available include adding compiz-manager or fusion-icon to the autostart directory (on ubuntu, compiz-manager is simply named compiz)
[06:19] <Fritzel> if I do that
[06:19] <Fritzel> how will the session restore functionality of kde handle that?
[06:20] <Fritzel> like basically I won't end up with 2500 compiz's trying to run after 2500 logins will I?
[06:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, you can always install gtk window decorator, and then use an Oxygen metacity theme.
[06:21] <DanaG> I have seen such a theme on some "nanolx" repo, but you can probably just find it on gnome-look.org.
[06:23] <tapoxi> hi all, what's the name of the gtk+ x configuration tool?
[06:24] <LibertyShadow> Adobe Media Player.... as if there weren't enough already (for windows)
[06:24] <LibertyShadow> How about making the flash plugin not suck!
[06:26] <subpar> LibertyShadow, i second the motion
[06:28] <tapoxi> secondly, say I install a bad driver and it really destroys humanity
[06:28] <tapoxi> any easy way to undo that?
[06:28] <subpar> well if humanity is destroyed, then there's no one to help ya out
[06:29] <tapoxi> well, I'm under the impression that extraterrestrials run Linux.
[06:29] <subpar> nah they just developed it
[06:29] <jbroome> i thought it was osh
[06:29] <jbroome> osx
[06:29] <jbroome> according to independence day
[06:29] <tapoxi> I installed the AMD FireGL driver, now I'm running in reduced graphics mode.
[06:30] <tapoxi> I can't run the catalyst control panel, it crashes immediately.
[06:31] <tapoxi> Do I need to load a module?
[06:31] <RAOF> This depends on how you installed fglrx.
[06:33] <icanhasadmin> tapoxi: RDM is your friend
[06:34] <tapoxi> ATI's script
[06:34] <tapoxi> brb, might just be a bad xorg.conf
[06:34] <RAOF> No, it isn't :(
[06:35] <danage> is gstreamer currently broken?
[06:35] <RAOF> Not for me.
[06:36] <FAJALOU> hello.
[06:36] <danage> shit. rhythmbox loads but doesnt play, same for totem
[06:36] <danage> same for nautilus preview on hover
[06:36] <FAJALOU> ok so i have an nvidia card that was working on 7.10
[06:36] <Pirate_Hunter> hi how come i cnat open .zip files in hardy?
[06:36] <FAJALOU> but will not work on 8.04
[06:37] <FAJALOU> i have the drivers correct, but when i reboot, i get a 'configure your screen or run in low res'
[06:37] <ChaosParser> Pirate_Hunter: cause you don't have something installed.  go to add/remove and type in zip
[06:37] <critter-> FAJALOU, i'd like to send you a private message can you register your nick ?
[06:37] <FAJALOU> so every time i configure it, it changes the drivers from nvidia to nv
[06:38] <Pirate_Hunter> ChaosParser: i wouldve thought it would be part of hardy just like it was on gutsy :/ hmmm is this really going to be fully released on time i wonder
[06:38] <FAJALOU> critter, how to register
[06:39] <ChaosParser> Pirate_Hunter: What happens when you try to open a zip?
[06:39] <critter-> it appears i'm not registered either.  i'm a friend of yours if you hop on efnet i might be able to help
[06:39] <Pirate_Hunter> ChaosParser: not recognised trying it your way
[06:39] <danage> RAOF: wow, just restarted x... it works
[06:40] <danage> tssk
[06:40] <ChaosParser> FAJALOU: Desktop or notebook, what resolution should it be, and what does your xorg say?
[06:40] <FAJALOU> on efnet's ubuntu+1 ?
[06:40] <FAJALOU> chaosparser desktop, 1440*900 xorg says that the driver is nv not nvidia
[06:40] <kevin__> so the release candidate is coming out soon?
[06:40] <ChaosParser> FAJALOU: Is 1440*900 correct?
[06:41] <FAJALOU> that's what i want it to be on
[06:41] <FAJALOU> and that's what it was on in 7.10
[06:41] <ChaosParser> FAJALOU: The xorg will revert to nv if there's a problem, generally.  What resolutions are listed in the xorg?
[06:41] <FAJALOU> a lot,
[06:42] <Fritzel> what would I execute if I wanted to bring up the window that kde ALT+F2 brings up? the one that lets you type in a program
[06:42] <tapoxi> I installed fglrx from ATI's site, the catalyst installer
[06:42] <ChaosParser> FAJALOU: Save a copy of the xorg as xorg.conf.old, then try removing any resolutions you don't want, setting the virtual resolution to the one you want, and then changing nv to nvidia and save, then restart x with ctrl alt backspace.
[06:42] <tapoxi> I'm always running in low graphics mode, can't run the graphical X config utility
[06:43] <ChaosParser> FAJALOU: What nvidia card do you have, btw?
[06:43] <FAJALOU> 6200 xt
[06:45] <RAOF> tapoxi: Right.  You should have used System->Administration->Hardware Drivers, ideally.
[06:45] <tapoxi> Well, the installed version didn't support Composite.
[06:45] <FAJALOU> chaos, even with the resolutions in there, i still can't see them all
[06:46] <tapoxi> I can get into X, but I'm running at 1440x900 or so, not 1680x1050
[06:46] <RAOF> tapoxi: If you're using Hardy, then the installed version supported Composite.  If you're not using Hardy, this is the wrong place for support :)
[06:46] <tapoxi> My Xorg.conf looks fine, the module seems loaded, I don't know what's wrong
[06:47] <FAJALOU> ok so i changed it in the xorg.conf
[06:47] <RAOF> tapoxi: It's probably the wrong module (from linux-restricted-modules)
[06:47] <FAJALOU> from nv to nvidia
[06:47] <tapoxi> RAOF: I'm using Hardy.
[06:47] <FAJALOU> so should i try a ctrl alt backspace?
[06:47] <tapoxi> RAOF: How do I load the right module?
[06:48] <RAOF> tapoxi: So, presumably the plan was to get compiz to work; the way to do this would have been to remove the line specifically disabling Composite from your xorg.conf.
[06:48] <critter-> what is composite ?  how does that make graphics rendering different ?
[06:48] <FAJALOU> so should i?
[06:49] <RAOF> tapoxi: What you probably want to do is add 'fglrx' to DISABLED_MODULES in  /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[06:49] <critter-> FAJALOU, that will restart your x session.  you'll have to log in again.
[06:49] <FAJALOU> ok but that will make my x session reset so the nvidia drivers in xorg work... correct?
[06:50] <RAOF> critter-: Composite makes everything render off-screen, basically. (Among other things).
[06:50] <critter-> FAJALOU, i dont know FAJALOU i think someone told you to edit xorg.conf after backing up a working one.  to test new settings you'd have to restart the server
[06:50] <tapoxi> Okay, let me see if this works
[06:50] <RAOF> tapoxi: Oh, you'd need to restart, of course.
[06:50] <FAJALOU> so if i changed that one line from nv to nvidia
[06:50] <tapoxi> RAOF: Of course :)
[06:50] <FAJALOU> should i restart to see if it works?
[06:50] <omar_> Guys, is it possible to install the KDE desktop on Ubuntu?
[06:51] <critter-> FAJALOU, if that does not work after you ctrl-bksp then sudo cp xorg.conf.old /etc/X11/xorg.conf.  in case you get stuck
[06:52] <os2mac> omar_ yes it is
[06:53] <os2mac> or you can go get Kubuntu which is a KDE version of Ubuntu
[06:53] <omar_> os2mac: Is done by just typing " sudo apt-get install kde-desktop " in a terminal?
[06:54] <os2mac> you can do it with apt-get though I am unfamiliar with the exact package name... you could go to synaptic and search for KDE
[06:54] <RAOF> omar_: You'd be after the "kubuntu-desktop" package, probably.  Or even the 'kde4' package, IIRC.
[06:55] <omar_> RAOF: The KDE4 is different than Kubuntu-desktop, right?
[06:55] <DanaG> !aptitude
[06:55] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[06:55] <FAJALOU> ok even after i ran w/ the new xorg...
[06:55]  * DanaG likes aptitude!
[06:56] <FAJALOU> it still is running at 800x600
[06:56] <FAJALOU> would it help to see the xorg.conf?
[06:56]  * os2mac uses apt-get
[07:03] <dwidmann> omar: kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[07:05] <FAJALOU> ok...
[07:05] <FAJALOU> so i went into xorg.conf
[07:05] <FAJALOU> and changed something
[07:05] <FAJALOU> then rebooted.
[07:05] <FAJALOU> and i got a screen that said to reconfigure you're monitor and video drivers.
[07:05] <FAJALOU> so i did.
[07:05] <FAJALOU> and tested it,
[07:06] <FAJALOU> and it looked good,
[07:06] <FAJALOU> so i clicked ok
[07:06] <FAJALOU> and booted,
[07:06] <FAJALOU> and now back to 800x600
[07:06] <FAJALOU> so what's happening between those?
[07:06] <DanaG> Custom-installed ATI?
[07:06] <DanaG> fglrx, I mean.
[07:06] <FAJALOU> what?
[07:07] <DanaG> Are you using custom drivers?
[07:07] <DanaG> from the manufacturer's web site.
[07:07] <FAJALOU> i'm (supposedly) using nvidia geforce 6800 generic
[07:07] <FAJALOU> and trident generic
[07:07] <tritiumosu> Anyone help me with an iptables problem?
[07:07] <wolf4914> I have low graphics mode after upgrading to a new kernel so I booted in 800x600 tried modprobe nvidia - did not work
[07:07] <FAJALOU> and during the test it seems to work
[07:07] <DanaG> By custom-installed, I mean downloading from nvidia.com.
[07:08] <wolf4914> Is there an option I can do in grub to boot in init 3?
[07:08] <FAJALOU> no i did it through envy and also through synaptic
[07:08] <DanaG> Aah.  Make sure you're not trying to use 175 or such driver version -- the packaged one is 169.12.
[07:09] <FAJALOU> i ran it through envy,
[07:09] <DanaG> /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[07:09] <DanaG> Edit that if using non-repo version.
[07:09] <FAJALOU> i don't know if it's non-repo or not
[07:09] <wolf4914> Now the box boots and I have all different colors on the screens - will try to install nvidia driver with no X
[07:09] <DanaG> dmesg | grep NVRM
[07:10] <FAJALOU> [   22.992000] NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module  1.0-9639  Mon Apr 16 20:20:06 PDT 2007
[07:10] <DanaG> Aah.
[07:10] <DanaG> Envy likely installed a different version; that breaks things.
[07:10] <RAOF> Aaah, old legacy.
[07:11] <FAJALOU> grrrreeeaaat
[07:11] <RAOF> Sorry, new-legacy.
[07:11] <DanaG> Don't'cha love NVIDIA's naming?
[07:11] <DanaG> That's part of why I'll be going ATI next time: it may suck compared to nvidia for now, but at least it's open-sourced sucky, and not closed-source not-quite-as-sucky-but-pretty-close.
[07:11] <FAJALOU> ok so how to change it?
[07:12] <FAJALOU> what to do...
[07:12] <dwidmann> DanaG: nvidia doesn't seem too sucky here .... actually seems pretty stable, albeit it being closed source
[07:13] <DanaG> I've been getting random hard-lockups.
[07:13] <FAJALOU> danag what to do?
[07:13] <dwidmann> DanaG: which card
[07:13] <RAOF> dwidmann: Except for pink shadows on nv5x+, and random hard-lockups, and black-flashes with OpenGL, and...
[07:13] <DanaG> GeForce Go 7600.
[07:14] <dwidmann> RAOF: I've been getting none of that, then again, I was a bit choosier about the card I got (8600GT), just because I hadn't heard tons of bad about it (like I had with the 8800s, some of the mobiles .... etc)
[07:15] <dwidmann> 7800 was apparently another one to avoid the the 7600 and 7900 were fine .... etc
[07:15] <RAOF> dwidmann: Hm.  Are you using Compiz?  Because you should be getting pink shadows :)
[07:16] <dwidmann> RAOF: why would I want to use that?
[07:16] <wolf4914> So how do I tell grub to boot in init 3?
[07:16]  * dwidmann is in love with kwin
[07:16] <RAOF> dwidmann: Aaah.  Yes.  Much of nvidia suckiness is hidden when you don't use an OpenGL compositing window manager.
[07:16] <DanaG> My next laptop will likely have an HD2600 or HD3860 or the successor.
[07:17] <RAOF> I hope _I'll_ hold out long enough for my next laptop to have a high-end intel GPU.
[07:17] <critter-> how do i install something so i can see a graphical hardware tree of what i have installed ?
[07:17] <dwidmann> RAOF: I didn't say I didn't use kwin kde4 on occasion though
[07:17] <DanaG> My laptop is reaching old-age despite being not very old.
[07:17] <dwidmann> RAOF: it seemed fine ....... Quake4 (opengl) seemed fine also
[07:17] <RAOF> critter-: I think you'd be looking for System->Preferences->Hardware Devices, no?
[07:18] <DanaG> Cracked hinge, broken screw in hinge (due to lack of thread-adhesive!), missing cardbus ejector lever, and other stuff.
[07:19] <RAOF> dwidmann: If you have sync-to-vblank on you should notice that it misses a refresh every now and then, giving you an all-black screen for a fraction of a second.
[07:19] <Lynoure> DanaG: I guess you use it actively... I have been thinking of going kind of the other way, replacing the laptop with Eeepc (or somesuch) and a desktop machine
[07:19] <dwidmann> RAOF: hmm, didn't notice that
[07:19] <critter-> RAOF, thats not listed in my hardy
[07:20] <dwidmann> RAOF: I'd test, but it can wait a week, my desktop is taking some downtime for now while I add in some new parts and such (vga cooler, 4 case fans, new cpu hsf, etc)
[07:20] <RAOF> critter-: It'd actually be Hardware Information, sorry.
[07:21] <DanaG> If I had to go desktop, I'd use silentpcreview.com for reference.
[07:21] <DanaG> Current laptop: Gateway M685.
[07:21] <DanaG> Next laptop I'm considering: "HP Compaq" 8510p.
[07:21] <dwidmann> DanaG: I should have, but the stuff I got seems to be fairly decent. I'll see how it works out
[07:21] <critter-> RAOF, i dont know how this is possible but i dont see that either.  i installed something from the repos that will display it though.  however hardware information is not there
[07:22] <DanaG> notebookreview.com -- remember it.
[07:22] <DanaG> Lenovo x60 or HP 2510p are good for small notebooks.
[07:23] <FAJALOU> ok so back to 800x600
[07:23] <FAJALOU> what happens
[07:23] <FAJALOU> is that i restart after trying
[07:24] <FAJALOU> and it says configure my monitor and graphics card.
[07:24] <FAJALOU> and then i test it and it looks good.
[07:24] <FAJALOU> but then when i run it here,
[07:24] <FAJALOU> it doesn't work...
[07:24] <DanaG> Does VIA Chrome9 work in Linux?
[07:25] <RAOF> DanaG: Depends on how you define 'work', I think.
[07:26] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[07:26] <SeveredCross> Isn't there an OpenChrome driver in Hardy?
[07:26] <SeveredCross> Or am I confusing that for something else.
[07:27] <RAOF> There is an OpenChrome driver, yes.
[07:27] <RAOF> Which provides some acceleration, I believe.
[07:36] <JanPeter> Anyone have any idea what's with nvidia-glx not allowing itself to be removed?
[07:37] <icesword> sudo
[07:38] <JanPeter> what about it? i've done everything in sudo
[07:39] <icesword> don't know
[07:39] <Lynoure> JanPeter: one thing that is good to share is what happens when you try...
[07:40] <icesword> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62605/
[07:40] <JanPeter> yea.. sorry this is carried over from #ubuntu
[07:40] <JanPeter> just realized this is the hardy channel
[07:41] <JanPeter> i have stumbled across something
[07:44] <gluer> Q: which driver is better, the restricted nvidia driver or the nvidia driver from nvidia?
[07:44] <JanPeter> i believe the driver from nvidia is restricted?
[07:45] <JanPeter> btw there is a workaround for the nvidia-glx removal error
[07:52] <xtknight> richard, right now without updating which flashplugin-nonfree do you have?
[07:52] <xtknight> dpkg -s flashplugin-nonfree | grep Version
[07:53] <richard> Version: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu5
[07:53] <xtknight> alright.  the update is 124.0
[07:53] <xtknight> but it probably wont fix your issue, anyway
[07:53] <richard> I think it might be Firefox itself
[07:54] <richard> maybe...
[07:54] <xtknight> flash itself is generally unreliable
[07:54] <xtknight> i've had it crash so many times
[07:54] <xtknight> but usually works until i have up to 5 windows open then things start getting messy
[07:54] <xtknight> 5 firefox windows, or 5 flash windows
[07:55] <richard> same here.  crashes randomly when-ever i go to a website with flash.   When it reloads itself back to it's session. it won't crash then.   but if i access another website with flash, the process start all over.
[07:55] <richard> Are there other flash player alternatives?
[07:56] <xtknight> yes, but they work very poorly
[07:56] <xtknight> probably worse ;0
[07:56] <xtknight> 1info gnash
[07:56] <xtknight> why doesnt my shift key work
[07:56] <jcarey75> I was having a problem with flash until tonight ia32-lib updates
[07:56] <jcarey75> I'm on Hardy amd64
[07:56] <xtknight> amd64 here too
[07:57] <richard> I have another problem, want to hear it
[07:57] <richard> or see it i mean
[07:57] <xtknight> sure ;p
[07:57] <dwidmann> richard: what would you do if someone said no?
[07:57] <xtknight> he would cry himself to sleep
[07:58] <richard> lol
[07:58] <jcarey75> Several days ago it was working fine (I think, can't remember any specific issues), then after an update if I had a couple of tabs open with flash content and I closed one, all of the flash content on all other pages would be just a light gray box. After this evenings updates I cannot replicate the bug.  :)
[07:59] <richard> http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/4/4/9/f_Screenshotm_ee73adb.png
[07:59] <richard> black circle tells the problem
[08:00] <richard> so how do i fix this big trash icon?
[08:00] <richard> not that it's crashing but it's annoying
[08:00] <xtknight> weird
[08:01] <xtknight> try remove/re-adding it/
[08:01] <richard> tried it
[08:01] <xtknight> mine's not that way
[08:01] <xtknight> weird
[08:01] <richard> it goes back to normal size when i have something in there
[08:01] <jcarey75> xtknight, are you having problems with your shift button? If so, are you running vmware server?
[08:04] <xtknight> jcarey75, hahayes
[08:04] <xtknight> i just installed the latest vmware
[08:04] <xtknight> with 2.6.24 vmware-any-any patch
[08:05] <xtknight> i think i've had this happen to me before anyway, usually rebooting restores order
[08:05] <woodwizzle> how do I fix broken packages?
[08:05] <jcarey75> I had that issue yesterday, it only happened when I used ctrl-alt-enter to toggle full screen in vmware
[08:05] <jcarey75> in the guest
[08:06] <xtknight> i dont think i even did that but i may have used full screen but maximizing it
[08:06] <dwidmann> woodwizzle: tried sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:06] <dwidmann> woodwizzle: how about "sudo apt-get -f install"?
[08:06] <xtknight> jcarey75, something to do with the vmware fighting over x server locks for the keybaord
[08:08] <jcarey75> xtknight, I just maximize the vmware server console window (with tabs / buttons / menus off) on it's on desktop, but I haven't had the issue since, just the one time I tried alternating full screen.
[08:08] <woodwizzle> the problem is liblaunchpad-integration1
[08:08] <jcarey75> on=own
[08:08] <xtknight> oh they're dealing with the launchpad integration problems
[08:08] <xtknight> jcarey75, i bet this is the only time i'll have the isuse
[08:09] <xtknight> if not im not sure where to file a bug
[08:09] <xtknight> my ctrl button doesnt work either
[08:09] <jcarey75> I did, let me see if I can find it
[08:11] <jcarey75> xtknight, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/195982   mine's near  the bottom in all lower case  :)  I have no idea if it's filed correctly for attention though.
[08:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195982 in linux "Shift key (and caps lock) stop working when using VMWare" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[08:12] <xtknight> lol
[08:12] <xtknight> cool
[08:12] <owen1> i can't see subtitles in Totem 2.22.0  any ideas?
[08:14] <FAJALOU> alrightee
[08:14] <FAJALOU> i got it to go into 1440x900
[08:15] <FAJALOU> installed linux-restricted-drivers
[08:15] <FAJALOU> so, from here,
[08:15] <FAJALOU> how do i get compiz to work?
[08:15] <FAJALOU> b/c it says i can't enable the animations...
[08:15] <FAJALOU> any thoughts?
[08:16] <jcarey75> xtknight, by the way, after tonight's updates vmware server 1.05 broke, I had to rerun an sed command because libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.1200.8 is now libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.1200.9  I didn't know until I rebooted for other reasons after the update.
[08:17] <xtknight> jcarey75, hey now that your keys arent broken can you try something for me
[08:17] <jcarey75> sure
[08:17] <xtknight> jcarey75, run xev and press ctrl a
[08:18] <xtknight> on the window
[08:18] <FAJALOU> ok w/e
[08:18] <xtknight> i'm trying to see how the events sent to x server diff
[08:18] <FAJALOU> one accomplishment every night
[08:18] <FAJALOU> night all
[08:18] <xtknight> jcarey75, basically i need the info printed when you press ctrl a.  you have to have your mouse over the window for it do print anytihng.  so the best solution i've found is to move your mouse to the edge of the window, then copy the events you see in the terminal
[08:20] <xtknight> it's a little finicky
[08:20] <tritiumosu> VanessaE: It doesn't seem to like that -ttl-gt 200 option in the argument... weird.
[08:21] <tritiumosu> wrong room >_> oops
[08:21] <jcarey75> xtknight, I haven't run that command before, just did, I've got a lot of "notifying events", I'm not sure if my ctrl a is even still in my terminal log
[08:22] <xtknight> jcarey75, yeah  i just look for the lines around control-l [left control] or control-r [right control]
[08:23] <xtknight> jcarey75, click the xev program right on the border, then ctrl-a, then move moues to console and you should be able to wrestle out the last five paragraphs it prints
[08:25] <jcarey75> xtknight, I caught the whole thing, might include an extra left click here or there, what is a good place to post...I forgot
[08:25] <xtknight> 1pastebin
[08:25] <xtknight> exclamation mark pastebin ;0
[08:25] <xtknight> !pastebin
[08:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[08:26] <xtknight> we really should mention, that the shift and ctrl works within the vm
[08:26] <xtknight> so i copied the capitals out of my vm
[08:27] <jcarey75> lol!
[08:27] <jcarey75> I just saw what you had to do...helped though, made it so I could click and finish.   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62606/
[08:27] <richard> I found the exact website that fill crash my firefox because of flash: http://www.wftv.com/video/15817645/index.html
[08:28] <richard> Someone test this website with firefox and tell me if it crashes for you too
[08:29] <xtknight> jcarey75, oh i dont see much difference between yours and mine. oh well
[08:29] <xtknight> jcarey75, so that's odd.  x is picking it up.  not gnome/
[08:29] <xtknight> erhahaha
[08:30] <xtknight> now my gnome-terminal is crashing at the first character i type
[08:30] <xtknight> maybe my ctrl is just stuck on/
[08:31] <jcarey75> richard, that site crashes flash for me too, so does yahoo videos, but flash is working much better than it was for most sights that are not as flash based (the site you mentioned seems to have several flash windows going on)
[08:31] <poni> harro
[08:32] <xtknight> i think i'm gonna call it a night
[08:32] <jcarey75> xtknight, cool chatting with you good luck on caps
[08:32] <xtknight> jcarey75, ;p
[08:32] <xtknight> yeah
[08:32] <poni> I got a problem in hardy, except for not being able to find nvidia drivers in Hardware Drivers, I also lag a bit, mouse freezing few secs once in a while, etc... Any idea?
[08:34] <xtknight> dude this is weird
[08:34] <xtknight> every program on my pc is crashing now
[08:34] <xtknight> lol
[08:34] <xtknight> sorry, reoprt a problem closed unexpectadly
[08:34] <xtknight> lmao
[08:34] <poni> hahah
[08:35] <xtknight> jcarey75, what was that sed hack you were talking about
[08:36] <jcarey75> xtknight, saw your bug post, I have nvidia drivers too, 171.06 beta, after the updates tonight and the vmware issues I was having (unrelated to the shift / ctrl issue) I had to hard reset my machine, only once though, may have been a fluke.
[08:36] <xtknight> might not be able to use hardy
[08:37] <jcarey75> xtknight, the sed hack was from fjgaude's instructions here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=736944
[08:37] <xtknight> ill have to try this in a chroot and see if it still happens
[08:37] <xtknight> ah i see i got something called vmware-any-any, seemed to work for kernel 2.6.24
[08:37] <xtknight> if i press ctrl alt f1, windows flash all over the place
[08:37] <WelshDragon> Hey, When login to hardy, all the panels keep appearing and disappearing every second until eventually they don't come back. When i run gnome-settings-daemon i get this message:
[08:37] <WelshDragon> ** (gnome-settings-daemon:26840): WARNING **: Failed to acquire org.gnome.SettingsDaemon
[08:38] <WelshDragon> ** (gnome-settings-daemon:26840): WARNING **: Could not acquire name
[08:38] <jcarey75> It is how I got vmware server 1.05 working, I had to use the vmware-any-any, but he has some additional links and the sed cmd for amd64
[08:38] <WelshDragon> Any idea how i can fix?
[08:38] <xtknight> my vmware comes to the front and then ... my sticky notes program crashes
[08:39] <xtknight> jcarey75, have you noticed the vmware maximize button never works either
[08:39] <xtknight> i mean you can never get it back into windowed state after it's maximized.
[08:40] <xtknight> sometimes i can't minimize it either
[08:40] <xtknight> i wish they'd get their stuff straight
[08:40] <xtknight> the gtk integration is clearly immature
[08:40] <jcarey75> xtknight, after tonight updates vmware would not open several errors and such and after review I noticed his last sed command was for ibgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.1200.8 which had been updated to ibgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.1200.9, so I just replaced the 8 with 9 and it works now. I'm checking the maximize now.
[08:41] <xtknight> the top toolbar thing in vmware that appears when you full screen...that just gets narrower when i press maximize again to restore the window
[08:43] <itsbland> I need some advice: I want to encrypt all files to be stored in my external portable hard drive (it's in FAT32 right now but I'll reformat it to ntfs for compatibility). Anyway to encrypt files seemlessly? Truecrypt?
[08:43] <jcarey75> xtnight, from maximized, my first window was just as large as max, but I was able to resize it, now it toggles between the two, but with the outstanding shift issues, I probably will never full screen it, fortunately I don't need to.
[08:46] <jcarey75> xtknight, I misspelled the previous msg, I agree virtualization certainly has issues, I'm just glad it's enabled me to leave dual boot behind (except for games)
[08:47] <xtknight> jcarey75, Hey, restarting the X server works
[08:47] <xtknight> :p
[08:48] <xtknight> jcarey75, thanks for helping me debug this i'm really going to call it a night now.  it was just fun messing with my desktop and making things crash...for a few mins
[08:49] <jcarey75> xtknight, my pleasure, see you around
[08:50] <ethana2> nehalem looks insane
[08:50] <ethana2> what on /earth/ am I going to do with all that power??
[08:50] <ethana2> You know
[08:50] <jcarey75> xtknight, I'm still real new to linux, I'm just glad it was an issue I'm familiar with.
[08:50] <xtknight> jcarey75, ah
[08:50] <xtknight> jcarey75, what's your launchpad username on that page?
[08:51] <jcarey75> justin
[08:51] <ethana2> I guess I'd like to get the quad core and use the CPU for 3d instead of a gpu......  anybody know if gallium can do that?
[08:51] <xtknight> lol
[08:51] <xtknight> quadcore would still be slooooooow
[08:51] <xtknight> gallium replaces mesa tho, so it should
[08:51] <xtknight> they're going to need some sort of reference renderer
[08:52] <xtknight> actually quake2 ran fine with cpu on my old athlon64
[08:52] <xtknight> quite amazing.  maybe someone will come out with some new quake2 engine and i'll be able to see graphics i could never see with my normal GPU!
[08:54] <Jessicatz> hey I'm getting a broken tarfile for linux-headers-2.6.24-15
[08:54] <Jessicatz> I hope that's known already
[08:56] <Jessicatz> I will try deleting it
[08:56] <Jessicatz> and retrying
[08:59] <Jessicatz> that worked
[08:59] <Jessicatz> stupid me.
[09:01] <fluteflute> is anyone else having issues with the mountpoints of usb drives? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/214178
[09:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214178 in ubuntu "USB mounts in a new folder if left plugged in on shutdown" [Undecided,New]
[09:04] <ba5e> gnome goes wierd when I use xserver-xgl, anyone know what to do?
[09:05] <ba5e> fonts, colours are wierd and session does not last sometimes
[09:05] <virtuald> ba5e: uninstall it
[09:06] <ba5e> I have hehe
[09:06] <ba5e> I upgraded from 7.10 and it started happening
[09:08] <ba5e> virtuald: any idea what could cause it? desktop effects work, a bit
[09:10] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone know how to put my card in monitor mode (or even if it can be done for my card) how do i find out if i cant be.
[09:13] <virtuald> ba5e: xgl itself, and the nvidia driver if you use it
[09:15] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone know how to put my card in monitor mode (or even if it can be done for my card) how do i find out if i cant be.
[09:15] <ba5e> virtuald: I have ATI, so need xgl :(
[09:16] <ba5e> jaffarkelshac: what do you mean monitor mode? hardware monitoring=
[09:17] <jaffarkelshac> no wireless card monitor mode ba5e
[09:27] <NineTeen67Comet> Hi all .. I am running 8.04 Beta (server) and for some reason the box just quits working (no network etc) .. the error logs are free from anything I can see as obvious errors, but still it initially ran for a day just fine (mainly for media serving in my house, and a backup to my web server) .. It's a PIII 450/360mb ram, 10gig and 2 360gig hdd .. headless box
[09:40] <nesp> hi, anyone here knows why postgresql doesn't show in System->Administration->Services?
[09:54] <phaidros> heho, yesterdays update broke X again.
[09:54] <phaidros> here, nvidia with -rt kernel
[09:54] <phaidros> any hints where to look?
[09:56] <RAOF> phaidros: Do you have linux-restricted-modules installed?  My nvidia works just fine.
[09:57] <phaidros> it happened the 3rd time with all my nvidia machines.
[09:57] <phaidros> it seems after rebooting into a newer kernel nvidia_new is not loaded automatically
[09:58] <phaidros> loading by hand works
[09:58] <jcarey75> phaidros, I'm using nvidia's beta 171.06 and have had to reinstall after the kernel updates
[09:59] <phaidros> jcarey75: are you using it as a package from hardy repos?
[10:00] <jcarey75> phairdros, I'm installing from the nvidia website, I don't think they're available in repos (not 171.06)
[10:00] <phaidros> so thats not unusual that you have to reinstall those drivers ;)
[10:00] <jcarey75> yeah, thought I'd pipe in, just in case
[10:00] <phaidros> mine is all from within package repos and should not break for a kernel upgrade ..
[10:01] <phaidros> ;)
[10:01]  * phaidros is just wondering if that might be useful to know in tha last days of beta before going to be the next LTS ..
[10:03] <phaidros> what is the letter 'B' saying when using aptitude search nvidia -> iB nvidia-glx-new (i is for installed, but B ?)
[10:03] <phaidros> Broken?
[10:05] <RAOF> Hm.  Quite possibly.
[10:07] <jcarey75> phaidros, from some searching, I'd agree, quite possibly
[10:08] <phaidros> ok, solution was a simple aptitude reinstall nvidia_glx_new linux-restricted-drivers-2.4.26-15-rt .. dunno which package was the one then ..
[10:08] <phaidros> and: reboot
[10:09] <cpk1>  /usr/share/doc/aptitude should have readings that say what it is, I remember finding it in there before
[10:15] <jk__> are there any known vunerabilties in ubuntu
[10:16] <phaidros> cpk1: .. there is nothing just news, README and changelog :(
[10:16] <cpk1> hmm, maybe wrong dir... hang on
[10:18] <cpk1> phaidros: get  aptitude-doc-en first I think =P
[10:18] <phaidros> hehe :)
[10:20] <savvas> jk_: I don't think so, but each time there is a security breach, they post it at a special site, I can't remember the name, i'll get back to you as soon as I finish upgrading :)
[10:22] <phaidros> for the sake of chatlog: aptitude .. B - the package has broken dependencies.
[10:22] <Fritzel> where do you disable the little tooltips that come up when you mouse over a task bar application?
[10:22] <Fritzel> that's in kde mind you
[10:22] <phaidros> jk_: there is a security mailinglist / newsfeed for ubuntu, where all critical bugs come through.
[10:23] <phaidros> jk_: useful is the debian security list as well, because ubuntu often inherits packages from debian
[10:28] <TerrorBite> part #ubuntu #ubuntu+1
[10:29] <TerrorBite> with a /
[10:29] <TerrorBite> I'm on an EeePC and debating if I should update to Hardy LTS
[10:30] <Davo_Dinkum> do it
[10:30] <cpk1> TerrorBite: you mean now as opposed to in 2 weeks or so?
[10:30] <TerrorBite> cpk1, basically
[10:30] <savvas> TerrorBite: there are two weeks left, i suggest you wait for the final :)
[10:30] <cpk1> if there is no explicit reason I dont see why you wouldnt wait 2 weeks
[10:31] <savvas> if gutsy works with eeepc, there's no need i guess
[10:31] <TerrorBite> alright, I'll wait then
[10:31] <Davo_Dinkum> anyone using hardy on powerpc?
[10:31] <Davo_Dinkum> or is there another channel for that?
[10:32] <cpk1> TerrorBite: basically there will still be problems up to release, much easier on yourself if you wait, unless you want to help out =)
[10:33] <TerrorBite> currently though, I have no other PC to fall back on should something particularly nasty occur
[10:33] <TerrorBite> otherwise I'm glad to help
[10:34] <Fritzel> is there anyway not have kopete bug me for my wallet password when I login? it starts when I login automatically
[10:36] <ikonia> is anyone using smbldap-tools on fedora 7 or 8  ?
[10:40] <tomahasamoot> Does the static tar ball of Skype work on amd64?
[10:41] <tomahasamoot> that's 2.0
[10:42] <jimiridge> why dont you give it a try?
[10:44] <savvas> Davo_Dinkum: you're in the right channel :) whatever is the problem, ask
[10:45] <FXMaveric> hello, ive got a problem compiling a programm which uses the asm/dma.h. anyone experience with that?
[10:45] <FXMaveric> unsing c on an ubuntu 7.10
[10:49] <kane77> what is the situation with hardy and broadcom cards? (the former bc43xx driver)
[10:50] <cwillu> kane77, working flawlessly for me
[10:50] <cwillu> b43 driver
[10:50] <cwillu> and b43-fwcutter
[10:50] <kane77> cwillu, okay.. will upgrade today in school...
[10:50] <cwillu> kane77, well
[10:50] <cwillu> you had better not be in here for tech support later today :p
[10:50] <Davo_Dinkum> savvas: no problems yet, just wondering :D
[10:50]  * cwillu points at the motd :p
[10:51] <KrimZon> i have some problems - clicking the gnome-panel clock freezes gnome-panel (unresponsive but not crashed) and i have to kill it in a terminal
[10:51] <cwillu> ... (including broken dependencies), and how to fix it when it breaks ...
[10:51] <cwillu> kane77, but ya, it's been working perfectly;  you'll have to undo ndiswrapper gunk if you did it under gutsy
[10:52] <savvas> tomahasamoot: it does, but you have to go "pro" and install it using: dpkg --force-architecture yourfile.deb
[10:52] <kane77> KrimZon, do you have compiz enabled by any chance? I've seen this happening...
[10:52] <KrimZon> and also my tty1 - tty6 virtual terminals aren't working, i press ctrl-alt-f1 etc and just see a blinking cursor in the top left, no login prompt and doesnt respond to any keypresses
[10:52] <KrimZon> kane77: i just use the simplest looking visual setting because it allows me to snap windows to each other and the sides of the screen
[10:52] <kane77> cwillu, I don't want to run it as production machine, I want to betatest it so that developers would be able to fix some bugs :)
[10:53] <cwillu> okay :)
[10:53] <savvas> KrimZon: try press enter, maybe it will show you the login prompt
[10:53] <kane77> I already am running hardy on my desktop and it works nicely even the wifi card..
[10:54] <KrimZon> savvas: ok... doesnt respond
[10:54] <cwillu> kane77, my only showstopper is the scheduler uid-based grouping braindeadedness
[10:54] <cwillu> so if bug 188226, I'll be in heaven
[10:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188226
[10:54] <cwillu> gets fixed, rather
[10:55] <savvas> KrimZon: sudo aptitude reinstall busybox-initramfs initramfs-tools console-setup brltty
[10:55] <savvas> KrimZon: then reboot and see if it works
[10:55] <KrimZon> k
[10:57] <savvas> KrimZon: also this one: sudo aptitude reinstall system-services
[10:57] <jk_> is the a lightscribe software for ubuntu
[10:59] <ikonia> jk_: yes
[10:59] <ikonia> jk_: visit the lightscribe website for info
[11:00] <KrimZon> ok, rebooting...
[11:05] <KrimZon> savvas: they're still broken
[11:08] <savvas> KrimZon: well.. sorry, tried my best :)
[11:09] <savvas> concider reporting it
[11:11] <AmiGanguli> Hi all.  Anybody up for debugging sound issues?  Apparently there are a lot of problems right now, so if I can get so far as to just associate my issue with an existing bug I can track, then I'd be happy with that.  As it is, non of the bug reports seem to match exactly my problem.
[11:11] <cwillu> well, describe away
[11:14] <AmiGanguli> cwillu:  Pretty simple, in a way.  I've been tracking Hardy and my sound stopped working.  Both input (usb mike) and output.  Other bug reports I've found seem to be kernel based, but my devices are still there.  Tried unmuting everything in alsamixer, but no effect.  No error messages anywhere that I can locate.
[11:16] <AmiGanguli> Wish there was a map of some sort that detailed how the Hardy/pusleaudio setup is supposed to work, and how one can test different components in isolation.
[11:16] <cwillu> pulseaudio process running?
[11:16] <AmiGanguli> Yup
[11:16] <AmiGanguli>  /usr/bin/pulseaudio --log-target=syslog
[11:16] <AmiGanguli>  /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper
[11:19] <KrimZon> hmm... strange - i got them back but in some crazy text mode
[11:19] <Davo_Dinkum> oh hello busybox
[11:20] <cwillu> AmiGanguli, wanna pastebin your syslog?
[11:21] <AmiGanguli> Sure.  But what's "pastebin"?
[11:21] <cwillu> !pastebin
[11:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[11:24] <AmiGanguli> Ok.  Think it worked (though I spelled my name wrong :-): http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62619/
[11:25] <AmiGanguli> !pastebin
[11:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[11:36] <iain> hello using kubuntu 8.04 on a rather pathetic celeron with built in intel graphics... I'm trying to get 3d acceleration working but I'm having trouble, when I do the dpkg reconfigure it doesn't give me the chance to autodetect hardware, or pick drivers, etc... it just lets me select my keyboard style.  Anyone help me?
[11:37] <Davo_Dinkum> heh xubuntu wont even boot on a g4 1ghz
[11:37] <m4gnu5> hi hi
[11:37] <m4gnu5> which package do i need for a nvidia 6150?
[11:41] <Davo_Dinkum> im trying to boot xubuntu hardy on g4 1ghz but keep getting a busybox prompt
[11:43] <AmiGanguli> cwillu: I should add that sound was working with earlier Hardy releases.  It stopped working after I updated on Monday (although I hadn't updated for a week or so before then).
[11:43] <recon69> m4gnu5: have you tried admin->hardware drivers ?
[11:44] <m4gnu5> it says there are no drivers in use in this system ...
[11:44] <iain> hmm doing a bit of reading... with hardy it doesn't really look at xorg.conf... so now my question is where does it look for its configuration and how do I check to see that 3d acceleration is working right?
[11:46] <recon69> m4gnu5: and did you install nvidia-glx-new drivers in synaptic
[11:46] <m4gnu5> there are 3 nvidia-packages now: nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-glx-new ... ?
[11:46] <m4gnu5> i installed the new one