[12:51] <tmhoang> Ubuntu masters, is there anyway to boot ubuntu s390x live ?
[12:51] <tmhoang> I want to reduce/remove a block device from my LVM root group. Not sure if rescue shell is enough (i.e. install LVM, start LVM service, etc.)
[12:51] <tmhoang> I'm on z/VM
[13:02] <tmhoang> booting from ISO seems not doable on  z/VM
[13:02] <tmhoang> either z/VM reader or from zfcp-scsi or DASD, none of which I have in my system
[13:03] <tmhoang> I mean neither an extra zfcp-scsi nor DASD


[02:11] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: you should add yourself to the ML
[02:12] <Admiral_Chicago> :)
[06:52] <Admiral_Chicago> seems like karma got fixed today. it doubled for me
[11:38] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: yep ... though who knows if this is a fix or another bug :)
[01:36] <asac> anyone running feisty avail?
[01:54] <asac> gnomefreak: hi ... how is your baby doin?
[01:58] <asac> gnomefreak: I have extended the bugs/states page a bit ... if you have comments let me know
[01:58] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/States
[01:58] <gnomefreak> shes doing good :) they are both sleeping atm
[01:58] <gnomefreak> ok ill look
[02:00] <asac> gnomefreak: are they at home already?
[02:01] <gnomefreak> yeah i was able to bring them home this morning
[02:02] <gnomefreak> what happened to the show bugs link on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Tags
[02:03] <asac> they will be extended ... but in general tags used there as quickreferenced should be explained in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/States too
[02:03] <asac> as each state has his own set of valid tags
[02:04] <asac> anyway ... someone has to update the urls for them :)
[02:04] <asac> dunno why they are not there anymore
[02:05] <Admiral_Chicago> 06:36 < asac> anyone running feisty avail?
[02:05] <Admiral_Chicago> I am
[02:05] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: did you make it?
[02:05] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: yes
[02:05] <asac> yeah ... great
[02:05] <gnomefreak> congrats
[02:05] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: thanks
[02:05] <gnomefreak> yw
[02:05] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: I will upload a new firefox package ... can you at least try if it still integrates well in gnome desktop?
[02:06] <Admiral_Chicago> sabdfl was highly impressed by my work with our team. well our team in general
[02:06] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: i am not sure because I switched to use official branding build infrastructure und had to revert several patches
[02:06] <Admiral_Chicago> well i don't run GNOME but i'll install it when i'm in class
[02:07] <asac> you run kde?
[02:07] <Admiral_Chicago> yes
[02:07] <asac> or what?
[02:07] <asac> hmmm
[02:07] <gnomefreak> kde should have kde-intergation afaik the spec was oked
[02:07] <gnomefreak> asac: are you uploading it to ubuntu servers?
[02:08] <asac> today sometime ... but want to test desktop integration before
[02:08] <gnomefreak> s/servers/repos
[02:08] <gnomefreak> asac: ok give me about an hour?
[02:08] <asac> hour for what?
[02:08] <gnomefreak> i have feisty i just need to do a few things than i can revert the symlinks and test it
[02:09] <asac> ok ... I still need an hour too :)
[02:09] <gnomefreak> ah good
[02:09] <asac> have to once again walk through the latest interdiff :)
[02:09] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: unfortunetly I just woke up and have class from 8am - 5pm. it is 7.09 here
[02:11] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: that sound like a filled schedule
[02:12] <Admiral_Chicago> yes, so I can test at 24 UTC at the earliest
[02:27] <gnomefreak> um wtf is Could not open the address "https://launchpad.net/bugs/85094":
[02:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85094 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:27] <gnomefreak> There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location.
[02:27] <gnomefreak> can anyone open that link?
[02:28] <gnomefreak> i can open it by copying nad pasting the link into ff but not ctrl+left click :(
[02:30] <gnomefreak> i cant launch any link from irssi anymore :(
[02:30] <asac> gnomefreak: opening link from terminal works
[02:30] <asac> i use irssi too in console
[02:30] <asac> but use gnome terminal feature to open links
[02:31] <gnomefreak> i cant open it :( i removed ff3 and now no links will open from terminal. (using gnome-terminal
[02:31] <asac> ah
[02:31] <asac> go to preferences->preferred applications
[02:31] <asac> there firefox has probably changed your default browser
[02:32] <asac> fix it by resetting to default app firefox
[02:32] <gnomefreak> ah thats right
[02:32] <asac> :)
[02:32] <asac> yeah ... the great "register as default browser feature" :)
[02:33] <asac> which is broken if you install firefox in /usr hierachy properly
[02:33] <asac> it just works for dist/bin installs :)
[02:33] <asac> at least for thunderbird
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm off everyone. long day ahead af me.
[02:33] <gnomefreak> its no longer there :(
[02:34] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: cu
[02:35] <gnomefreak> should be firefox %u right?
[02:35] <gnomefreak> have fun Admiral_Chicago
[02:35] <Admiral_Chicago> yes and i will gnomefreak
[02:35] <asac> dunno ... if you select firefox from drop down than it should be right
[02:35] <gnomefreak> asac: no drop down :(
[02:36] <asac> gnome preferred application dialog?
[02:36] <gnomefreak> the drop down only says custom. i think this is a bug in gnome-control-center
[02:36] <asac> or where are you?
[02:36] <gnomefreak> asac: in perferred apps
[02:36] <asac> ah
[02:36] <asac> ok
[02:36] <asac> than you have no firefox package installed _:) ?
[02:37] <asac> the preferred application dialog looks if there is an executable /usr/bin/firefox to enable the firefox entry
[02:37] <gnomefreak> sure i do :)
[02:37] <asac> then you messed something else up
[02:37] <asac> but should be
[02:37] <asac> firefox %s
[02:38] <gnomefreak> it works now
[02:38] <gnomefreak> i think it the control ceter that is bugged
[02:43] <asac> have you tried beryl?
[02:44] <gnomefreak> yes ofcourse :)
[02:44] <asac> ok ... going to lunch .. thing the firefox package should ready for preview upload when I return :)
[02:44] <asac> really?
[02:44] <asac> great
[02:44] <asac> will definitly come back to you :)
[02:45] <gnomefreak> ok and yep :)
[03:42] <asac> gnomefreak: you can try
[03:42] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/feisty/firefox
[03:42] <asac> either pull by hand or add to sources.list
[03:42] <asac> thx
[03:56] <gnomefreak> ok will do
[03:59] <gnomefreak> aded repo to sources : its easier that way :)
[04:00] <gnomefreak> and what do you mean by better intergration in gnome? its in the menus its got a launcher already ;)
[04:06] <gnomefreak> asac: what package am i wanting? upgrade isnt grabbing it
[04:06] <gnomefreak> hold that thought smart didnt see your repo
[04:09] <gnomefreak> wont let me add your repo it keeps saying malformed line and i had added deb to the front
[04:10] <asac> wait
[04:10] <asac> http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/81-APT-repository-Backports-for-sarge-available-+-testing-dropped!.html
[04:11] <gnomefreak> wth is that
[04:11] <asac> the line should look like that (of course replace the proper url)
[04:12] <gnomefreak> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/feisty/firefox is what i added since that is where the packages are
[04:12] <asac> yeah ... append ./
[04:12] <gnomefreak> ah
[04:13] <asac> like in the examples above
[04:13] <gnomefreak> ok trying again ty
[04:23] <gnomefreak> they seem to be all amd64.debs that are upgrading my 32bit (this mistake in naming?)
[04:24] <asac> yeah ... sorry
[04:24] <asac> can you respin on i386?
[04:24] <gnomefreak> its all good :) might want to change it for upload
[04:24] <asac> upload will be source only
[04:24] <asac> thats ubuntu policy
[04:25] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[04:25] <gnomefreak> respin as in rebuild?
[04:25] <asac> yep
[04:26] <gnomefreak> should be easy enough not really any file changes just grab source diff and dsc and just runt he commands?
[04:26] <gnomefreak> run the*
[04:27] <gnomefreak> will try it in a few
[04:33] <gnomefreak> Host 'FeistyFawn', running Linux 2.6.20-8-generic - Cpu0: Intel 1681 MHz; Up: 17:05; Users: 4; Load: 0.06; Free: [Mem: 26/250 Mio]  [Swap: 1398/1459 Mio] ; Vpenis: 20.9 cm;
[04:34] <asac> just make
[04:34] <asac> apt-get source firefox
[04:34] <asac> then go to the firefox-<IP_ADDRESS>+1 dir
[04:34] <asac> and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[04:34] <asac> and resolve missing build dependencies
[04:34] <asac> until it builds
[04:35] <gnomefreak> ah easy enough
[04:35] <asac> of course you need to add deb-src line
[04:35] <asac> for apt-get source
[04:35] <gnomefreak> yep
[04:35] <asac> there is some apt(itude) command to install build depends
[04:35] <asac> but I forgot
[04:35] <asac> and do it manually (like described above)
[04:35] <gnomefreak> sudo apt-get build-dep <package>
[04:35] <asac> ah ... will not build on edgy
[04:35] <asac> yeah
[04:35] <asac> :)
[04:35] <asac> great
[04:35] <gnomefreak> on feisty :)
[04:35] <asac> good
[04:43] <gnomefreak> you want firefox-gnome-support firefox and firefox-dbg respun? or all of the packages?
[04:43] <asac> just all
[04:43] <asac> just
[04:43] <asac> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[04:43] <gnomefreak> for all the packages though right?
[04:44] <asac> no ... just once in the extracted source directory
[04:44] <gnomefreak> ah ok for firefox
[04:55] <asac> does it build?
[04:55] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[04:58] <gnomefreak> dont know still getting the 64bit named packages from update when thats done ill build it
[04:59] <gnomefreak> asac: if i get building ff comfortable i can build the 32bit. respinning should be no issue at all
[04:59] <gnomefreak> lol i cant update ill begin rebuilding them now
[05:00] <asac> you probably shouldn't be able to upgrade
[05:00] <asac> either you install is 32 or 64 bit
[05:00] <gnomefreak> 64bit name stopped me from upgrading them
[05:01] <asac> gnomefreak: i would be fine if you can contribute i386 builds for preview packages ... you have a place where you can put them up temporarily, so I can sync them to my people.ubuntu.com directory from there?
[05:02] <gnomefreak> i should have a place but it will be downloadable not repo type
[05:03] <asac> thats no problem ... i will sync them to my place so we have one place for all ... there I can generate repo files
[05:03] <gnomefreak> k
[05:13] <asac> does it work well?
[05:13] <gnomefreak> havent ran it yet
[05:13] <gnomefreak> grabbing build-deps and source for firefox atm
[05:14] <asac> ah ok :) now I remember that your connection is on the low end :)
[05:14] <gnomefreak> yep :(
[05:15] <gnomefreak> about 23 minutes left for the source
[05:15] <asac> just to be sure everything is right:
[05:15] <asac> does it pull the source from my repo?
[05:16] <gnomefreak> yep
[05:16] <asac> fine
[05:16] <asac> then its just a matter of time. Maybe I will manage to setup a system soon where you all can log in and build ... with some more decent bandwidth :)
[05:17] <gnomefreak> :)
[05:17] <asac> no
[05:17] <asac> as i said
[05:17] <asac> there is just one source tree
[05:17] <asac> if you build from there
[05:17] <asac> everything will be build
[05:17] <gnomefreak> ohhh
[05:17] <gnomefreak> sweet
[05:17] <asac> you end up with a firefox-xxxx/ directory
[05:17] <asac> running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[05:17] <asac> produces all packages defined in debian/control
[05:17] <gnomefreak> ah
[05:18] <gnomefreak> thats easy enough :)
[05:18] <asac> you will even end up with transitional packages that i didn't upload
[05:18] <gnomefreak> oh damn
[05:18] <asac> e.g. mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-dom-inspector et al
[05:18] <asac> those are no problem
[05:18] <asac> as they are pretty small
[05:19] <asac> a problem?
[05:19] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[05:19] <gnomefreak> not a bit
[05:19] <gnomefreak> asac: when im done let me know what you want uploaded and ill upload them to a firefox dir on the server so you can grab them
[05:19] <asac> yep
[05:20] <asac> we need all (non transitional) debs produced ... but not the orig.tar.gz nor the .dsc file
[05:20] <asac> nor the diff.gz and .changes
[05:21] <gnomefreak> k
[05:22] <asac> the easiest way to ensure that you don't miss a package is to setup dput or dupload
[05:22] <asac> but maybe later :)
[05:23] <gnomefreak> :)
[05:44] <gnomefreak> its building but i didnt use -k<KEYID> so i might have to redo it
[05:47] <asac> yeah if you want to sign the result then yes
[05:48] <asac> would be ok to just sign the .changes manually afterwards so I can at least do some basic verification
[05:48] <asac> whats your id?
[05:48] <asac> ah ... lp
[05:49] <gnomefreak>  3C1C3C2A
[05:49] <gnomefreak> key id
[05:50] <asac> yep already have it
[06:05] <dfarning> good morning all
[06:05] <gnomefreak> morning
[06:06] <gnomefreak> this is taking longer than i thought. but its all good :)
[06:06] <dfarning> what are you working on;)
[06:06] <gnomefreak> 32bit firefox packages :)
[06:06] <gnomefreak> just repackaging them for 32bit
[06:07] <dfarning> nice are you packaging them from scratch from mozilla tarball?
[06:07] <gnomefreak> from 64bit builds from asac
[06:07] <dfarning> is there a bzr branch were you are doing this work?
[06:08] <gnomefreak> no not yet
[06:08] <gnomefreak> i was trying to test the builds but they wouldnt install due to being 64bit
[06:08] <asac> dfarning: me?
[06:09] <gnomefreak> you ;)
[06:09] <dfarning> would it be much work to set up a bzr branch?
[06:09] <asac> yep from scratch :)
[06:09] <asac> i have a git archive now ... but more to organize patches than to keep a histroy atm
[06:09] <asac> actually I like some features and still had not time how to properly do it in bzr
[06:09] <dfarning> while i was asking gnomefreak but if you have something that would be great
[06:10] <asac> dfarning: you know bzr a bit?
[06:10] <dfarning> crikey i'm still trying to get IRC to work;)
[06:11] <dfarning> I have played with it bit
[06:12] <dfarning> I could set up something up and put up a short wiki page on how to use it.
[06:12] <asac> or just link a good tutorial :) there are plenty I gues
[06:12] <dfarning> It may be crude but it will work
[06:13] <dfarning> ok Will work on this later today
[06:13] <dfarning> asac, did you get the mail from Martin about bug-report?
[06:14] <dfarning> it is really useful
[06:14] <asac> dfarning: let me play a bit with bzr first
[06:14] <asac> yes I got ... what does it do?
[06:15] <dfarning> basically, we can write some hooks for individual programs so that wecan have specific information automatically reported to us.
[06:16] <asac> sounds interesting
[06:16] <asac> can one extend command-line arguments of bug-report too?
[06:16] <dfarning> the hooks can take care of frequently asked question such as flash version
[06:17] <dfarning> I don't thinks so yet
[06:17] <asac> so we can run arbitrary scripts?
[06:17] <dfarning> but we can write a number of scripts and have them include in the apport package
[06:17] <dfarning> it will take some planning ahead
[06:18] <asac> will those hooks work on poth ... crash report as well as menu link?
[06:18] <asac> s/poth/both/
[06:18] <dfarning> yes
[06:18] <asac> ... we cannot install extension scripts from our packages?
[06:19] <asac> e.g. ship the scripts on our own?
[06:19] <dfarning> We will have to look
[06:19] <dfarning> currently the hooks are stored in //usr/bin/apport/package-hooks
[06:20] <dfarning> that is a good idea
[06:21] <dfarning> each package _should_ install its own hook rather than have apport worry about it
[06:21] <asac> yes, i think if this is not yet done, it will be soon.
[06:21] <dfarning> gnomefreak, I'll post some sample hooks and their results this afternoon on the wiki
[06:21] <asac> does bug-report include any information on its own (e.g. like package version, distribution, etc.)?
[06:22] <gnomefreak> dfarning: ty
[06:22] <dfarning> at this point no but that would be easy to implemt as it is already part of crash report
[06:24] <dfarning> I'll file some feature requests and send you the links
[06:24] <asac> gnomefreak: build still running?
[06:24] <gnomefreak> yep
[06:25] <asac> if you have enough memory it might not be that bad.
[06:26] <gnomefreak> 256 :(
[06:26] <dfarning> I have posted a clue file  that reflects the current /states page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Bughelper/ClueFile
[06:27] <gnomefreak> some sort of differnet ram than normal so its too much money to spend on this pc
[06:27] <asac> dfarning: so do we want to prefix?
[06:27] <asac> that would the match even more unique
[06:27] <asac> like
[06:28] <asac> mt:needtester
[06:28] <asac> ?
[06:28] <dfarning> Yes, I think that would be good to reduce confussion
[06:29] <asac> now to create namespace? ... colon, dash, slash ??
[06:30] <dfarning> yikes I hate naming
[06:31] <dfarning> are their any tools where a colon in the sting will cause them to barf?
[06:31] <dfarning> s/sting/string
[06:35] <dfarning> offtopic: AlexLatchford  has done already done two months of good work with us.  Should we encourage him to apply for ubuntu membership next month?
[06:36] <dfarning> good bug work and really good wiki work
[06:36] <asac> i think so ... but lets him decide if he feels ready :)
[06:37] <gnomefreak> yes i think we should
[06:39] <dfarning> ok sounds good i'll email him know that we are behind him if he is ready to apply;
[06:40] <gnomefreak> :)
[06:40] <dfarning> I'll be off line for the next several hours. hope to have some hooks ready to go
[06:41] <dfarning> bye
[06:41] <asac> great ... i will be away for 2 hours or so from now
[06:54] <asac> gnomefreak: ty
[06:54] <gnomefreak> yw
[08:13] <gnomefreak> built and being uploaded atm
[08:20] <dfarning_> New wiki summarizing how we are you bughelper at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Bughelper
[08:20] <dfarning_> s/you/using/
[08:20] <gnomefreak> ty
[08:21] <dfarning_> gnomefreak, next is the apport stuff espically for you;)
[08:21] <gnomefreak> :) ty
[08:33] <gnomefreak> asac: all you need uploaded is firefox ff-dom-inspector -dbg -dev -gnome-support libnspr libnspr-dev libnss libnss-dev (all .debs of those packages) you dont need changes, source, dsc or diff
[08:34] <gnomefreak> and you dont need the mozilla-* packages?
[09:01] <gnomefreak> uploaded all just in case should be done in an hour or so. not uploading source since its already uploaded unless you need it just let me know
[09:31] <AlexLatchford> Meh?
[09:32] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: how about going up for membership next CC meeting?
[09:33] <AlexLatchford> maybe in a few months
[09:33] <AlexLatchford> think I need to build up a bit more Karma before I try
[09:33] <gnomefreak> no your ok on that
[09:34] <AlexLatchford> nah I have only been involved for a few months also
[09:34] <AlexLatchford> feel like I should contribute a bit more
[09:34] <gnomefreak> if you document what youve done and what your plans to learn to do or do on your wiki you will be fine :)
[09:34] <gnomefreak> asac: ok built almost done uploaded and im gonna test it now
[09:35] <gnomefreak> bad news:  it kills your icon :(
[09:36] <gnomefreak> its not letting me set one either
[09:42] <gnomefreak> ok cant use the firefox icon mozilla-firefox.xpm but seem to beablet o use .png icons in pixmaps
[09:48] <gnomefreak> looks like icon was left out of build
[09:57] <gnomefreak> asac: ok here is the link it should be fully complete in about 28-30 minutes from now. http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/FireFox/ but looks like we are gonna have to rebuild after icon is included (or fixed) other than that testing is going well.
[10:51] <asac> gnomefreak: but only in the menu, right? can you please try to cp /usr/share/firefox/icons/mozicon128.png /usr/share/pixmaps/firefox.png  as well as to /usr/share/pixmaps/mozilla-firefox.png helps?
[10:57] <gnomefreak> asac: menu and launcher
[10:57] <asac> tried?
[10:58] <gnomefreak> where am i getting them from?
[10:58] <asac> /usr/share/firefox/icons/mozicon128.png
[10:58] <asac> that should exist
[10:58] <asac> the other two should exist too
[10:58] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[10:58] <asac> so just copy it over for now ... I create links in package
[10:59] <asac> actually /usr/share/pixmaps/mozilla-firefox.png should already be a link to nowhere
[10:59] <asac> so maybe remove it
[11:00] <gnomefreak> that works
[11:00] <gnomefreak> still cant expect users to have to do that?
[11:02] <asac> they don't need to
[11:02] <asac> i update package to link it
[11:02] <asac> please try:
[11:02] <asac> rm those new files
[11:02] <asac> again
[11:02] <asac> and link:
[11:03] <asac> ln -s /usr/share/firefox/icons/mozicon128.png /usr/share/pixmaps/firefox.png
[11:03] <asac> ln -s /usr/share/firefox/icons/mozicon128.png /usr/share/pixmaps/mozilla-firefox.png
[11:04] <gnomefreak> works also
[11:06] <asac> fine
[11:06] <asac> then it will be fixed i guess
[11:07] <gnomefreak> can it be fixed without having to rebuild it?
[11:07] <asac> gnomefreak: do you find a place where something is not called "Mozilla Firefox" .. .e.g. like BonEcho
[11:07] <asac> ?
[11:08] <gnomefreak> nope its called mozilla-firefox everywhere that i can tell
[11:08] <gnomefreak> without the -
[11:09] <asac> great
[11:09] <asac> aehm
[11:09] <asac> one more thing
[11:09] <asac> wait a sec
[11:09] <asac> if you reset your homepage to default
[11:09] <asac> is the homepage in place?
[11:09] <asac> or not found?
[11:10] <gnomefreak> it works it brings up file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[11:10] <asac> in my chroot it appears to not exit
[11:10] <asac> does it exist for you?
[11:10] <gnomefreak> but its Edgys page :(
[11:10] <asac> maybe not yet been updated?
[11:10] <gnomefreak> guess not
[11:10] <asac> but it exists in feisty for you?
[11:10] <asac> then its fine
[11:10] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:12] <gnomefreak> i dont remember seeing that befor
[11:12] <gnomefreak> e
[11:12] <asac> what happens if you use it?
[11:12] <asac> at least we should remove the translate entry
[11:12] <asac> its of no use atm
[11:12] <gnomefreak> brings me to LP
[11:13] <asac> yeah
[11:13] <asac> unknown page
[11:13] <asac> quite a mess
[11:13] <gnomefreak> yeah the translate doesnt seem to work
[11:13] <asac> maybe we should drop it for now
[11:13] <AlexLatchford> Admiral_Chicago: can you take a look at the membership page and tweak it to suit the new membership requirements?
[11:13] <AlexLatchford> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Membership
[11:13] <asac> mozilla already asked us to better work together with them if we want to translate
[11:13] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+sources/firefox/+gethelp that is where the get help online brings me
[11:14] <asac> and not to do it on our own
[11:14] <asac> makes sense imo
[11:14] <gnomefreak> i agree if they are willing to help us
[11:14] <asac> there are already a good bunch of translations available
[11:14] <asac> they all come from them
[11:14] <gnomefreak> cool
[11:14] <asac> if we want a new, we can help them?
[11:15] <asac> look at source firefox-locales
[11:15] <asac> or thunderbird-locales
[11:15] <asac> the translations are already maintained under their patronage
[11:16] <gnomefreak> i agree to work with them for translations/locales (does that mean i need to send locale issues upstream?)
[11:16] <asac> depends of what kind
[11:17] <asac> po files we maintain ... but there shouldn't be any necessary for us in the long run
[11:17] <asac> maybe thunderbird sill has a debconf template ... firefox not
[11:17] <asac> mostly people ask us to add new .xpi ... because they exist upstream
[11:17] <asac> quite similar to the request about the lt.xpi
[11:18] <asac> you remember?
[11:18] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:20] <gnomefreak> it doesnt seem we have any lang packs installed
[11:20] <gnomefreak> i cant change the language the page displays in
[11:20] <gnomefreak> oh i have a crash report too :)
[11:21] <gnomefreak> i mean :(
[11:23] <gnomefreak> and i dont see anything at all usful in it. it looks like its missing parts
[11:23] <asac> gnomefreak: changing the language is not what is achieved, rather translation for the UI
[11:23] <asac> hmm
[11:24] <asac> when did it happen?
[11:24] <asac> opening some dialog?
[11:24] <gnomefreak> when i closed ff after changing default lang.
[11:24] <gnomefreak> sorry after oipening it after closing it
[11:24] <gnomefreak> opening*
[11:25] <gnomefreak> no stacktrace nor threadstacktrace
[11:25] <gnomefreak> i just unpacked it
[11:25] <asac> hmm not so good ... anyway, there will be others with more success I guess
[11:25] <asac> :)
[11:25] <gnomefreak> and i dont mean no symbols i mean its missing them totally
[11:26] <gnomefreak> but i will keep playing with it while i can. can we build this version of edgy by chance?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> or is a backport needed for that
[11:29] <asac> what do you want for edgy?
[11:29] <gnomefreak> this version of firefox
[11:29] <gnomefreak> less issues with feistys version than edgys afaics
[11:29] <asac> its not yet that new ... its just build with official branding
[11:30] <asac> aren't they the same build?
[11:30] <gnomefreak> thats what i thought (versioning is different) but i dont see why so many crashes in edgy not so many in feisty
[11:30] <asac> more edgy users of course :)
[11:30] <asac> most have edgy i guess
[11:31] <gnomefreak> could be
[11:31] <asac> i think it is ... we will see that in feisty too as soon as its out
[11:31] <asac> the idea is to push upstream to wink needed changes in before we release or in one of the security/stability updates
[11:31] <gnomefreak> they havent released <IP_ADDRESS> yet?
[11:31] <asac> not yet
[11:31] <asac> 23
[11:32] <asac> is projected date
[11:32] <asac> might be latest
[11:32] <asac> later
[11:32] <gnomefreak> 23rd as in next week?
[11:32] <asac> yes
[11:32] <asac> i will try to land the package on the day they release :)
[11:32] <gnomefreak> thtas concidered an update right?
[11:32] <asac> because of freeze?
[11:32] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:33] <asac> we can do what we want :)
[11:33] <gnomefreak> oh sweet
[11:33] <asac> otherwise I would have to stop working :)
[11:33] <asac> no
[11:33] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:33] <asac> we even push full new versions as security updates
[11:33] <asac> so a freeze should not be a problem at all
[11:33] <asac> as long as we don't switch from 2.0 -> 3.0
[11:33] <gnomefreak> ah ok cool
[11:34] <asac> actually most importantly <IP_ADDRESS> is a security update
[11:34] <asac> upstream already enforced quite hard branch policies
[11:34] <asac> enforces
[11:34] <gnomefreak> so that should be no issue with feisty but what about edgy?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> all thought edgy is very broken for some people anyway
[11:35] <gnomefreak> though
[11:36] <asac> edgy will get security update too
[11:36] <asac> so new version as well
[11:36] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[11:36] <asac> dapper and breeze get latest from 1.5 branch
[11:37] <gnomefreak> yeah
[11:37] <gnomefreak> not sure why we didnt run 1.6 in them though
[11:37] <asac> yeah
[11:37] <asac> i think it was because 1.5 was an unplanned branch which was introduced because it would have taken too long to go 2.0 in one step
[11:38] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:38] <asac> but maybe i am completely wrong ... just have the feeling that i remember that from somewhere :) not more.
[11:46] <gnomefreak> asac: so if ther eis a depends bug ff depends on this and should depend on bleh all i would really have to do is change it in control update changelog and just build as i did today?
[11:47] <asac> i would say yes :)
[11:47] <gnomefreak> sweet
[11:48] <asac> did you ever setup a xen VM?
[11:48] <gnomefreak> nope pc doesnt have enough mem for xen iirc
[11:49] <gnomefreak> never ran any VM due to that
[11:52] <gnomefreak> did you ever push that patch in? the one with the download progress bar?
[11:52] <asac> no ... its not finished ... I still need tests for the second half :)
[11:52] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:53] <gnomefreak> if you have it by say friday i can get it and test it on the slow pc this weekend
[11:55] <asac> sure
[11:55] <asac> hope she is doing better soon
[11:55] <gnomefreak> me too but i dont mind waiting on her hand and foot :)
[12:16] <Admiral_Chicago> AlexLatchford: will do


[00:00] <ahoneybun_> nothing new
[00:00] <yofel> right
[00:02] <ahoneybun_> quazip does not exist in 0.6
[00:02] <ahoneybun_> 0.7
[00:02] <yofel> right, that's packaged seperately now. So you can remove the obsolete file entries
[00:03] <yofel> I think you removed too much
[00:03] <yofel> ah ok
[00:04] <ahoneybun_> those two
[00:04] <yofel> right, as in the quazip lines
[00:04] <yofel> wait
[00:04] <yofel> qxt is still ther
[00:04] <yofel> e
[00:06] <yofel> hm ok
[00:06] <yofel> maybe not
[00:07]  * yofel only checked for qxt, not that specific subfolder
[00:07] <yofel> yay, BSD :D
[00:09] <yofel> ok, wait
[00:09] <yofel> we got to the point that we're looking at a license we haven't checked yet
[00:09] <yofel> so it's worth to again let licensecheck run over it
[00:10] <yofel> and voila, we have a bunch of BSD files
[00:12] <yofel> that's what you were looking for I believe
[00:14] <ahoneybun_> nothing for that
[00:14] <yofel> usually means the files were removed
[00:16] <ahoneybun_> breakpad is there
[00:16] <yofel> lets do a full search
[00:16] <yofel> uh huh
[00:17] <yofel> ok, files still there, licensecheck just can't read them :/
[00:18] <ahoneybun_> so the Uni of Cal is good
[00:18] <yofel> yes
[00:20] <ahoneybun_> nothing new from google
[00:20] <yofel> right
[00:21] <yofel> we're not done with bsd
[00:22] <yofel> you checked the already documented ones, nothing new?
[00:26] <ahoneybun_> I'll double check to see if that is all the files in that dir
[00:26] <yofel> good catch :)
[00:27] <yofel> it's in fact not, but you can list it like that, and later make an exception for 2 files
[00:27] <ahoneybun_> show me the exception way
[00:28] <yofel> there's 2 files shown as UNKNOWN
[00:28] <yofel> (*no copyright* can be ignored)
[00:29] <yofel> that is... pretty much LGPL-2.1+ IIRC
[00:29] <yofel> so you can put those 2 files into the LGPL-2.1+ section together with the nokia copyright
[00:29] <yofel> and leave the wildcard for the bsd files
[00:30] <yofel> ahoneybun_: I fear I'll have to leave you here, it's half past one in the morning and I've got work tomorrow :/
[00:30] <ahoneybun_> of course!
[00:30] <yofel> maybe someone else could help too, otherwise we'll continue tomorrow
[00:30] <yofel> gn :)
[00:31] <ahoneybun_> ok gn too
[00:31] <ahoneybun_> :)
[04:56] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1241540] kubuntu 13.10 keyboard don't work in de, after login... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1241540 (by marcobra (Marco Braida))
[07:58] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:58] <apachelogger> so much mailery :S
[07:59] <apachelogger> morning lordievader
[07:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you in the past yet?
[08:00] <lordievader> 2Hey apachelogger, how are you doing?
[08:00] <apachelogger> drowning in bug mails I am xD
[08:02] <lordievader> Swim harder! Shoot the bugs!
[08:10] <apachelogger> bug 1272680
[08:10] <apachelogger> wasn't this possible at some point :O
[08:10] <valorie> I never tried
[08:10] <valorie> listen in Amarok, burn in k3b
[08:11] <apachelogger> well, there is a play track context menu entry
[08:11] <valorie> interesting
[08:11] <apachelogger> and I do definitely remember having a play button at some point
[08:11] <apachelogger> of course at some point >= 5yrs ago, so I may be imagining things
[08:13] <apachelogger> ffmpeg-more.diff
[08:13] <apachelogger> Fixed_compilation_with_new_FFMPEG.patch
[08:13] <apachelogger> Fix-K3B-to-build-with-recent-FFMPEG-versions.patch
[08:13] <apachelogger> the patch names...
[08:16] <Quintasan> Upgraded kdeconnect-kde in Trusty to 0.4.2
[08:16] <apachelogger> ./src/projects/k3bmixedview.cpp:#warning enable player once ported to Phonon
[08:16] <apachelogger> Phonon *fistshake*
[08:19] <soee> Quintasan: its going to be in updates ?
[08:19] <apachelogger> valorie: so, either I am thinking of kde3 times or I am making up memories, k3b currently does not play anything
[08:19] <Quintasan> soee: It's going to be in Trusty for now, I don't currently have the time to backport it
[08:20] <soee> Quintasan: yes thats what im asking :) im on Trusty here
[08:20] <valorie> I came late to using my computer to play music - those speakers the size of a dime were not much good
[08:20] <Quintasan> well, you should get it when you update then.
[08:20] <Quintasan> Though it's not done building yet
[08:21] <soee> ok thanks
[08:23] <Quintasan> soee: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect-kde/0.4.2-0ubuntu1/+build/5526074
[08:23] <Quintasan> amd64 up
[08:23] <Quintasan> report any problems please
[08:23] <soee> nice :)
[08:24] <soee> can someone post /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf content ?
[08:26] <apachelogger> some people's obsession with bugs is really annoying
[08:26] <valorie> soee: I have a saucy, will that do?
[08:26] <apachelogger> 7 theoretical bug reports, I asked to get pushed upstream, so did that, then linked all to the upstream ones and now I get every fing mail twice
[08:27] <soee> valorie: yes please
[08:27] <valorie> $ cat /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[08:27] <apachelogger> and then https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake/+bug/278807/comments/8
[08:28] <valorie> [SeatDefaults]
[08:28] <valorie> user-session=kde-plasma
[08:28] <valorie> greeter-session=lightdm-kde-greeter
[08:29] <soee> ok seems like the problem i had with lightdm is that config as said on #ubuntu+1
[08:29] <soee> current config i have: greeter-session=unity-greeter and user-session=ubuntu
[08:32] <soee> brb will check lightdm now
[08:34] <soee> works :)
[08:34] <valorie> \o/
[08:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: morning
[08:34] <shadeslayer> yes
[08:34] <shadeslayer> I am in the past :)
[08:35] <soee> thanks valorie
[08:37] <valorie> wb shadeslayer
[08:37] <valorie> to the land of the past
[08:38] <shadeslayer> <3
[08:40]  * valorie gnaws on a dinosaur bone
[08:41] <valorie> actually, Black Sabbath is at the Grammys
[08:41] <valorie> gosh
[08:41] <valorie> somebody smacked each of them in the head with that bone....
[09:58] <soee> how can i solve this: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeconnect_0.4.2-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libkdeconnect.so.1.0.1', which is also in package libkdeconnect1 0.4.1-0ubuntu1
[09:59] <soee> hmm we have kdeconnect and kdeconnect-kde
[10:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[10:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you might want to try out kde:scratch/garg/kcm-driver-manager
[10:16] <Quintasan> soee: for now you can force overwrite using dpkg
[10:16] <Quintasan> Though it's a mistake I made I believe.
[10:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what will I see, or rather, what will I want to try about it?
[10:17] <apachelogger> and on that note, what wil happen if I don't have hardware that requires blob drivers ^^
[10:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: mostly you'll see a list of drivers that can be installed on your system if required and then you can install them
[10:18] <shadeslayer> it doesn't select a activated driver at the moment
[10:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it'll list the free drivers
[10:18] <shadeslayer> or well, it should
[10:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also, do you have a clue on how to get CMake to install dbus service files?
[10:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: see qapt
[10:19] <apachelogger> afk for 5 minutes or so
[10:19] <apachelogger> ./CMakeLists.txt:        install(FILES ${_target} DESTINATION ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/dbus-1/system-services )
[10:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: /usr/bin/DriverManager_DBus should go to libexec I think
[10:24] <soee> Quintasan: ok that do the trick :) i can controll amarok without any problems
[10:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I copied the dbus_add_activation_system_service macro
[10:24] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:24] <shadeslayer> wait
[10:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: naming note... your module is called kcm_drivermanager, the kcm is kcm_driver_manger <- should be aligned IMHO
[10:24] <shadeslayer> it's not a system service is it
[10:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's not a user facing binary, shouldn't be in bin but libexec
[10:25] <apachelogger> or rather, a user is not expected to launch it
[10:25] <shadeslayer> okay
[10:25] <apachelogger> oh
[10:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the macro may be in kde btw
[10:25] <apachelogger> grep /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake I think
[10:25] <shadeslayer> oh? I tried to find it, couldn't
[10:25] <apachelogger> cmake stuff lacks documentation badly
[10:25] <jarkko_> how do i install xfce destkop via command line?
[10:26] <jarkko_> what's the command anyoe know?
[10:26] <jarkko_> anyone
[10:26] <apachelogger> support in #kubuntu or #ubuntu please
[10:26] <apachelogger> or #xubuntu for that matter
[10:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nothing http://pastebin.kde.org/plqau4nhm
[10:27] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/SJW8SeG.png -> click -> http://i.imgur.com/oT41XV0.png
[10:27] <apachelogger> I think the layout has a problem ^^
[10:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nevermind then
[10:28] <shadeslayer> yeah, hitting refresh causes that
[10:28] <apachelogger> QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout "" to Module "Module", which already has a layout
[10:28] <apachelogger> kcmshell(1518) Module::driverDictFinished: DBus data corrupted
[10:28] <shadeslayer> I haven't bothered fixint it yet :)
[10:28] <apachelogger> the first warning may be that :P
[10:28] <shadeslayer> also, regarding dbus data, is the dbus service file installed
[10:28] <apachelogger> regarding second... possibly saucy is not new enough :'<
[10:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so, qapt installs a system file
[10:29] <shadeslayer> however, I want to install a dbus session file
[10:29] <apachelogger> no clue what the difference is
[10:30] <shadeslayer> IIRC system services have elevated priviliges
[10:31] <shadeslayer> and system services are shared between users
[10:31] <apachelogger> yeah, but how is the target path different?
[10:32] <shadeslayer> /usr/share/dbus-1/services vs /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services ?
[10:32] <apachelogger> so just change the macro? :P
[10:32] <shadeslayer> yeah
[10:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pull in ~10 minutes
[10:36] <apachelogger> why 10?
[10:37] <shadeslayer> mirror needs to sync?
[10:37] <apachelogger> <- knows how to bypass mirrors :P
[10:37] <shadeslayer> :)
[10:38] <apachelogger> still no dice with getting drivers listed though
[10:39] <apachelogger> may entirely be a saucy thing
[10:39] <shadeslayer> possibly the python module doesn't list free drivers :/
[10:40] <shadeslayer> it doesn't list intel drivers here
[10:40] <shadeslayer> but it did list radeon drivers previously
[10:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can I manually probe this somehow
[10:40] <apachelogger> ?
[10:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sure, look at the python script?
[10:41] <shadeslayer> and run it in the interpreter
[10:41] <apachelogger> self.__timer.start(30000) :O
[10:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is there a macro to install to libexec or should I just do : install(PROGRAMS ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/DriverManager_DBus DESTINATION ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/lib/kde4/libexec)
[10:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where o_o
[10:42] <apachelogger> grep FindKDE4Internal
[10:42] <apachelogger> there probably is a var for libexec
[10:42] <apachelogger> and the timer is in your python bin :P
[10:42] <shadeslayer> KDE4_LIBEXEC_INSTALL_DIR
[10:42] <shadeslayer> ahh yes
[10:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 30 second timer to kill the script
[10:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and how would one go about substituting that variable in the service file then
[10:44] <apachelogger> thats bogus IMHO
[10:45] <shadeslayer> so you'd just let the service keep running?
[10:45] <apachelogger> nope
[10:45] <shadeslayer> add a quit method?
[10:45] <apachelogger> 5 seconds timer at the most
[10:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ultimately that to be honest
[10:45] <apachelogger> well
[10:45] <apachelogger> quit + timeout
[10:46] <apachelogger> and each functions resets the timeout
[10:46] <apachelogger> so, for me the dict somhow is empty
[10:46] <shadeslayer> feel free to change that to 5, I did not choose 30 for any reason
[10:46] <apachelogger> Called
[10:46] <apachelogger> {}
[10:47] <shadeslayer> yeah, I suppose backend can't detect free drivers on your system
[10:47] <shadeslayer> or doesn't care
[10:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: my point is that it should be arbitrarily short timeout but actions should reset the timer
[10:47] <apachelogger> also I am testing on an nvidia system, so it should list something
[10:47] <apachelogger> stupid thing :@
[10:47] <shadeslayer> oh 0.o
[10:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: grab latest ubuntu-drivers-common?
[10:48] <apachelogger> fails tests
[10:48] <apachelogger> trying in a vm
[10:48] <apachelogger> ... once I set it up ^^
[10:48] <shadeslayer> IDK if a VM has proprietary hw
[10:49] <apachelogger> should list vbox IIRC
[10:52] <Riddell> calligra is a beast!
[10:52] <Riddell> I might have already said that
[10:52] <apachelogger> you did ^^
[10:52] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: are you still using that ec2?
[10:52]  * shadeslayer moves on to the next task
[10:53] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: haven't managed to finish this weekend. Do you have time in about 2 hours to help me finish with that?
[10:55] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: sure, now or later?
[10:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fwiw all recommendations implemented I think
[10:55] <ovidiu-florin> best for me would be in a couple of hours
[10:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: cool, so I cannot test as virtualbox doesn't want to list anything
[10:56] <shadeslayer> thought so
[10:56] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: pencilled in for 13:00UTC
[10:56] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[10:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that being said... you may want to introduce a dummy mode into the python thing so it can be tested even on free systems
[10:56] <shadeslayer> I bet jussi has loads of proprietary hardware
[10:56] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE6pKX7N2r4
[10:57] <soee> Riddell: the issue i had with lighdm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1267442
[10:57] <jussi> shadeslayer: machine with the nvidia is broken, sorry
[10:58] <jussi> waiting on a new HDD--- anyone want to buy me an SSD? :F
[11:00] <apachelogger> my, aren't we fancy, a ssd
[11:02] <jussi> apachelogger: :D
[11:04] <davmor2> soee, Riddell: tseliot has filed a bug with nvidia for prime.  Nvidia dedicated gfx cards are fine however optimus is screwed on kernel 3.13 and needs a patch from nvidia to fix it.  Chased it up on Thursday last week he is still waiting on a fix
[11:05] <soee> davmor2: i see, thank you for that information
[11:10] <ovidiu-florin> is there something wrong with the Ubuntu servers? When I run apt-get update it lags for about 5 minutes on archive.ubuntu.com and secure.ubuntu.com
[11:14] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: working fine for me
[11:14] <ovidiu-florin> here it connects using IPv6
[11:14] <ovidiu-florin> that coould be an issue?
[11:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so, as I understand it the app-install-data package is populated from desktop files, however, I don't think you can specify a desktop file for a meta package
[11:15] <shadeslayer> at the very least it doesn't specify a type for this
[11:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you want to list kubuntu-desktop in muon or something?
[11:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no, I want to list the kde developer meta package
[11:26] <shadeslayer> but unsure how to do so within the confines of the desktop spec
[11:27] <Riddell> yeah you'd need to check with mvo or whoever it incharge of app-install-data now
[11:27] <shadeslayer> right now, I'm thinking of copying over the kdevelop desktop file and making it say "Application" even though it's a meta package and gives you a KDE SDK
[11:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: your business cards are here and looking good
[11:27] <shadeslayer> ok
[11:27] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:27] <shadeslayer> can't wait to get them next week
[11:28] <Riddell> heck, get them this friday if you want
[11:29] <Riddell> as long as you buy me one of the free beers
[11:30] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:30] <shadeslayer> they're not really free are they, 3 EUR IIRC
[11:30] <shadeslayer> which seems a bit expensive for beer tbh :P
[11:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you'll need to install a desktop file
[11:31] <apachelogger> with Hidden=true or NoDisplay=true
[11:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: mvo will know in detail
[11:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, but then what would be the Type?
[11:31] <apachelogger> Application
[11:32] <apachelogger> it's just a fake file
[11:32] <shadeslayer> hmm okay
[11:32]  * apachelogger needs new eyes after this morning's patching -.-
[11:33] <Riddell> I believe mvo has moved on from canonical to new opportunities
[11:34] <apachelogger> so app-install-data is now in 'maintenance' mode? ^^
[11:34] <Riddell> although he's not in the secret ex-canonical channel
[11:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can also look at changelog for most active uploader
[11:34] <apachelogger> that person surely would know as well ^^
[11:35] <shadeslayer> mostly it's mvo, xnox and cj
[11:36] <xnox> hm?! =)
[11:36]  * shadeslayer is hungry
[11:36] <xnox> Riddell: mvo has been temporarly abscent from canonical ;-) that is correct
[11:36] <shadeslayer> xnox: so we're trying to introduce a new "KDE SDK/Developer" meta package
[11:36] <shadeslayer> xnox: and we want it to show up in muon-discover / ubuntu-app-store
[11:36] <shadeslayer> what would be the way to do this?
[11:37] <xnox> apachelogger: i think i was last to regenerated app-install-data, but i'm not sure if i did it correct or not. pitti also generated that.
[11:37] <xnox> shadeslayer: just added it as a new seed e.g. kubuntu-sdk & metapackage build by kubuntu-meta.
[11:37] <xnox> aka similar to ubuntu-sdk and/or kubuntu-active.
[11:38] <shadeslayer> xnox: oh, will that be enough? no need to ship a desktop file?
[11:39] <apachelogger> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu:ubuntusdk.desktop
[11:39] <xnox> apachelogger: that's a plugin.
[11:39] <shadeslayer> yep ^^
[11:39] <xnox> shadeslayer: no idea. maybe =)
[11:39] <shadeslayer> I already had a look at that
[11:40] <apachelogger> xnox: that's the entry I get in discover for Ubuntu SDK
[11:40] <xnox> apachelogger: but that's not the sdk. good point, i'll follow up to properly have ubuntu sdk in the software centre to show up.
[11:41] <xnox> apachelogger: shadeslayer: maybe check how ubuntu-quickly shows up in the store? that used be a more mature / integrated SDK-like thing in the early days.
[11:41] <apachelogger> good point
[11:41] <shadeslayer> it does not in Muon Discover
[11:42] <apachelogger> yeah that may be discover's fault though
[11:42] <shadeslayer> well, nor in https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/search/?q=ubuntu-quickly&op=
[11:43] <shadeslayer> we need to make muon handle apt:// links -.-
[11:43] <apachelogger> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/quickly/
[11:43] <shadeslayer> right
[11:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: tell apol? :P
[11:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I think he knows
[11:43] <shadeslayer> IIRC I/someone filed a bug
[11:43] <apachelogger> so much things we need to do ^^
[11:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: apt-url works for now, doesn't it?
[11:44] <apachelogger> IIRC that simply invokes qapt-installer or whatever it's called
[11:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:44] <shadeslayer> well, clicking on apt://quickly via ff doesn't invoke anything
[11:45] <shadeslayer> OTOH works via Quassel
[11:45] <apachelogger> firefox integration qq
[11:45] <shadeslayer> yep
[11:45] <shadeslayer> lemme add a card
[11:45] <apachelogger> xnox: does software center show quickly for you?
[11:45] <apachelogger> can't find it in mine
[11:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there may be one
[11:45] <apachelogger> ohohoh, I remember
[11:45] <shadeslayer> don't see one
[11:46] <apachelogger> firefox requires manual registration for protocols
[11:46] <shadeslayer> -.-
[11:46] <apachelogger> and on that note, we do need someone who knows more about firefox than how to start it :S
[11:47]  * shadeslayer runs away
[11:48] <Riddell> hmm, where does pbuilder keep its log of output?
[11:48] <apachelogger> doesn't log unless you tell it to IIRC
[11:49] <Riddell> bah
[11:50] <apachelogger> if you use pbuilder-dist it may put the logs in ~/pbuilder
[11:53] <apachelogger> Riddell, agateau: do we know whether plasma-widget-menubar will ever work with gtk apps again?
[11:53] <apachelogger> and if not, should we kick it off the ISO?
[11:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: from discussions before we concluded that it's still useful even with only qt apps
[11:57] <apachelogger> that usefulness is limited to someone only using qt apps
[11:57] <apachelogger> and since we have >=2 !qt apps it seems silly to have it on the ISO
[11:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: apt:// card on the wrong board
[12:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fixed
[12:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: would be beneficial to test upgrade with KDE backports PPA as well
[12:02] <shadeslayer> since we advocate that PPA to some extent for getting the latest KDE
[12:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: only for second test run IMHO
[12:02] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:02] <apachelogger> backports will change anyway
[12:02] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[12:03]  * apachelogger still thinks file conflict tests should be automated in some form
[12:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: do you have something to blog about, I totally don't have interesting enough things :/
[12:05] <shadeslayer> not really
[12:05] <shadeslayer> maybe after FOSDEM
[12:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how about finishing driver manager this week and then blob about that?
[12:06] <apachelogger> trusty needs moar cool stuff(tm)
[12:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: k
[12:06] <shadeslayer> that kcm needs more love
[12:06] <apachelogger> the trusty moar cool stuff kcm? ^^
[12:06] <shadeslayer> I need to figure out which driver is currently in use
[12:07] <apachelogger> didn't I already outline the algorithm there?
[12:07] <apachelogger>                                        ki18n("((Name))"),
[12:07] <apachelogger> you need to give it a name as well
[12:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: is there a need to blog?
[12:08] <apachelogger> always nice to tell people about nice things
[12:08] <apachelogger> except I rarely have nice things to tellt he nice people about, so I am utterly useless for that
[12:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh
[12:09] <apachelogger>         QString label = "<h3>" + vendor.toString() + " " + model.toString() + "</h3>";
[12:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: must not do that
[12:09] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:09] <shadeslayer> look at the TODO above
[12:09] <apachelogger> ah yes
[12:09] <apachelogger> well
[12:09] <apachelogger> not even that I think
[12:09]  * apachelogger googles the wikis
[12:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there's some code that I've commented out that is like the initial idea that I was pursuing to detect which module is loaded
[12:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Localization/i18n_Semantics#Structure_tags
 for example
[12:10] <Riddell> I could blog that my talk has moved from the desktop room to the distro room
[12:11] <Riddell> just so all my fans know where to find me
[12:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ack
[12:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: time for driver manager is over today
[12:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: "kubuntu @fosdem" .... "ah, so awesome, come meet the kubuntu at fosdem, will have talk and stuff, really cool"
[12:12] <apachelogger> there, I already wrote 90% of the post ^^
[12:12] <shadeslayer> ^^
[12:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sure, tomorrow
[12:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, the label probably wants i18nc anyway
[12:14] <apachelogger> not sure whether that needs localization, though usually 2 strings need that in some obscure language ;)
[12:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you may want to ask albert
[12:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: void Module::initError() is wrong... a) messageboxes are evil, should be somehow displayed inside the KCM (kmessagewidget for example?)  and b) exit(-1) will actually terminate systemsettings....
[12:17] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: are you around?
[12:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: good point
[12:17]  * shadeslayer makes a note, will fix tomorrow
[12:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in qapt finished/error you want to call backend->reloadcache to discard pending transactions, particularly in the case of error you can pile up transactions otherwise (also see locale kcm patch for possibly more information or stuff that should be done on error)
[12:17] <apachelogger> generally looks fine tho
[12:18] <apachelogger> well and the layout is kaput
[12:18] <shadeslayer> good to hear
[12:18] <shadeslayer> well, yeah
[12:18] <shadeslayer> minor issues ;)
[12:18] <apachelogger> oh and on a general note you may either want to use model/view for representation of the driver map, or at least encapsulate it into an own class
[12:19] <apachelogger> latter might be better for now as models always cause quite the code overhead
[12:20] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[12:20] <shadeslayer> for something as simple as this, is MV really required
[12:21] <apachelogger> well, it imposes sane storage/presentation separation, so it generally aint bad
[12:21] <apachelogger> if it was qml I'd totally say use a model, plus in qml it would actually be easier with a model pretty much ^^
[12:41] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: hi
[12:41] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: hey
[12:41] <ovidiu-florin> do you have time now?
[12:42] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: sure, on the ec2 ?
[12:42] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[12:42] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: which byobu session? 0 or 1 ?
[12:43] <ovidiu-florin> eighter one
[12:43] <ovidiu-florin> 0
[12:43] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ok, what are we going to do?
[12:43] <ovidiu-florin> the package is made for kde-ufw, can you please take a look?
[12:43] <ovidiu-florin> it's built and installed
[12:43] <ovidiu-florin> so it worked so far...
[12:45] <ovidiu-florin> most files contain GPLv2 license. But the COPYING file says GPLv3
[12:45] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^
[12:46] <Riddell> tsk
[12:46] <Riddell> upstream not complying to kde policy
[12:47] <ovidiu-florin> I can contact the developer
[12:47] <ovidiu-florin> what should I tell him?
[12:48] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: you can send a polite e-mail to say the file kcm_ufw_helper.py.cmake isn't GPL 2 as required by KDE licence policy http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy
[12:49] <Riddell> and the COPYING file should be GPL 2 as well just for clarity
[12:49] <Riddell> it doesn't block any distribution, it just means KDE can easier share its own code amongst itself
[12:50] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: debian/ufw-kde.install  is needed  should be fine to have just one line saying usr/ in it
[12:51] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: like this?
[12:51] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yep
[12:51] <Riddell> that'll tell it to put all the files in /usr into ufw-kde package
[12:52] <Riddell> rm ../*deb;  debuild -nc  to rebuild
[12:53] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ufw-kde.install in the wrong place :)
[12:53] <Riddell> should be in debian/
[12:54]  * apachelogger looks for food
[12:55] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: add etc/ to that .install file
[12:56] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: lovely, now fix those lintian problems and it should be done
[12:56] <Riddell> lintian is a tool to find common problems in .deb and source packages
[12:57] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: scrap that lower changelog entry
[12:57] <Riddell> only 1 needed
[12:58] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: can I delete this?
[12:58] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yes
[12:58] <Riddell> change UNRELEASED to trusty
[12:58] <Riddell> and remove the bug number, I don't think we have a bug for ufw-kde
[13:00] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: we don't
[13:00] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: why can't I make the byobu view bigger?
[13:00] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: oh it's limited by my terminal size
[13:01] <Riddell> I have a big font today
[13:01] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: 0.5.0-1ubuntu1  should be 0.5.0-0ubuntu1
[13:01] <Riddell> -0 is the debian version and it's not in debian
[13:05] <Riddell> just remove that file
[13:06] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: description-synopsis-starts-with-article
[13:06] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: README.Debian?
[13:07] <Riddell> yes remove README.Debian
[13:07] <Riddell> description-synopsis-starts-with-article means debian/control text starts with "a" or "the"
[13:07] <Riddell> which is considered unnecessary
[13:09] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: duplicated as in same description for both packages?
[13:10] <Riddell> yes
[13:10] <Riddell> no
[13:10] <Riddell> what?
[13:10] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I changed it now
[13:10] <ovidiu-florin> I've added Debug files at the end
[13:10] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: duplicated is that the short and long description are the same
[13:11] <ovidiu-florin> added a .
[13:11] <ovidiu-florin> not the same
[13:11] <Riddell> needs something changed
[13:11] <ovidiu-florin> :P
[13:11] <Riddell> :)
[13:11] <Riddell> it might be smarter than that I'm not sure :)
[13:11] <ovidiu-florin> Section?
[13:11] <ovidiu-florin> section: unknown
[13:11] <Riddell> Section: unknown -> kde
[13:11] <Riddell> section is an entirely useless category field which comes from debian
[13:13] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: standards-version .5 these days
[13:13] <ovidiu-florin> 3.9.5 ?
[13:13] <Riddell> that's the version of debian policy we say we're following, should always be the latest and greatest
[13:13] <Riddell> yes
[13:16] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: oh you probably need a complete rebuild to keep it happy after changing some of those fields
[13:16] <ovidiu-florin> how do I achieve that?
[13:17] <Riddell> debuild
[13:17] <Riddell> debuild -j2
[13:17] <Riddell> which will run a clean before and compiling
[13:17] <Riddell> debuild -nc  means it doesn't run the clean
[13:17] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: in debian/control add
[13:17] <Riddell> Maintainer: Kubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>
[13:17] <Riddell> XSBC-Original-
[13:18] <ovidiu-florin> XSBC-Original- ?
[13:19] <Riddell> XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Ovidiu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:19] <ovidiu-florin> romanian.ro :))
[13:20] <Riddell> debian uses the Maintainer field to list who is the person incharge of the package, we don't have maintainers as that just causes blockages when that 1 person is away so we just change it like this
[13:21] <ovidiu-florin> I agree
[13:22] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: debhelper version not matching debian/compat
[13:22] <Riddell> it should be 9 (latest and greatest)
[13:26] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: getting there but some more lintian issues
[13:26] <Riddell> google the issues you don't understand or ask here
[13:26] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[13:27] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[13:31] <Riddell> hi lordievader
[13:40] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you doing?
[13:40] <ghostcube> kdeconnect 0.4.2 \o/
[13:42] <Riddell> lordievader: getting frustrated at how long calligra takes to package!
[13:43] <lordievader> Riddell: Grab a coffee/tea and relax.
[13:43] <lordievader> ;)
[13:43] <lordievader> Which reminds me, I wanted to make tea....
[13:45] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: how are you getting on?
[13:45] <ovidiu-florin> reasearching on source: dbg-package-missing-depends
[13:46] <apachelogger> last upgrade test finished \o/
[13:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: how did it go?
[13:46] <apachelogger> kubuntu-desktop now gets pulled in were previously it was not
[13:46] <Riddell> yay
[13:47] <apachelogger> now I just need to get upstream to approve the plasma theme caching bug and upgrade experience is good enough(tm)
[13:47] <apachelogger> s/bug/fix
[13:47] <apachelogger> oh lovely
[13:47] <apachelogger> now I have a design editor in the menu
[13:48] <apachelogger> kdepim has serious problems with making sane desktop files -.-
[13:48] <Riddell> seems like something hard to make insane
[13:49] <apachelogger> maybe it's our packaging
[13:49] <apachelogger> actually its probably both
[13:49] <apachelogger> the packaging shuffing unrelated crap into primary packages (such as contactthemeditor in kaddressbook)
[13:49] <apachelogger> and upstream insisting on that rubbish being in the menu rather than somewhere integrated in the related application(s)
[13:49] <apachelogger> so you get entries like 'MBoxImporter'
[13:50] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: in debian/control can I add a diferent section for each package?
[13:50] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yes
[13:51] <Riddell> the one at the top will be used if another one isn't specified
[13:51] <Riddell> you usually only need to override it for the dbg and library packages
[13:51] <Riddell> it continutes to be a useless field :)
[13:54] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: W: ufw-kde source: dbg-package-missing-depends ufw-kde-dbg should I add ufw-kde as a dependencie to the debug package?
[13:55] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yes
[13:55] <Riddell> with  (= ${binary:Version})
[13:56] <ovidiu-florin> like this?
[13:57] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: no "Depends: ufw-kde (= ${binary:Version}) "
[13:58] <ovidiu-florin> should it be first?
[13:58] <Riddell> doesn't matter
[13:58] <ovidiu-florin> oooh, only add that? and it will inherit the binaty package dependecies?
[13:59] <Riddell> it will depend on ufw-kde of the same version
[13:59] <Riddell> which is all it needs
[14:00] <ovidiu-florin> so I should remove the shlibs:Depends and misc:Depends?
[14:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you poke someone about kde-touchpad
[14:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what about it?
[14:01] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: nah keep them
[14:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: still in source new?
[14:01] <Riddell> I could poke myself I suppose
[14:01] <Riddell> but that sounds rude
[14:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell thoughts on splitting http://pastebin.kde.org/pbedtewwz into 2 packages ( libbaloo and baloo-runtime )
[14:03] <shadeslayer> or should I just ship one package baloo
[14:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are there situations when one would want one but not the other?
[14:04] <apachelogger> seems to me one package would be best for starters
[14:05] <Riddell> with other things use libbaloo ?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, kmail could use libbaloopim and not have the runtime stuff
[14:08] <Riddell> isn't vHanda sitting next to you to ask? :)
[14:08] <shadeslayer> I did ask
[14:08] <shadeslayer> and that's the outcome :)
[14:08] <shadeslayer> he says that it's up to us to split or not to split
[14:10] <Riddell> don't bother then
[14:12] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:13] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: python-script-but-no-python-dep. I've added python to Depends. :(
[14:16] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I think for ${python:Depends} to get filled in your need to use various other debhelper bits
[14:16] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: probably easiest just to depend on python2.7
[14:16] <ovidiu-florin> where?
[14:16] <ovidiu-florin> in Build-Depends?
[14:17] <jarkko> what's the reason we have to make deb packages?
[14:17] <ovidiu-florin> jarkko: because Ubuntu uses deb
[14:17] <ovidiu-florin> and so do we
[14:17] <ovidiu-florin> it's based on Debian
[14:18] <jarkko> ok lets asssume someone makes a program and wants to distribute it via debian...
[14:18] <jarkko> what he has to do?
[14:18] <jarkko> does kubuntu need to repack every package that comes from debian?
[14:19] <ovidiu-florin> repack = check if it's packed ok for kubuntu
[14:19] <ovidiu-florin> Kubuntu mostly takes the packages from Ubuntu
[14:19] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:19] <ovidiu-florin> and we make the packages with the KDE stuff
[14:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you updated kdeconnect
[14:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect/0.4.2-1ubuntu1
[14:20] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: in the Depends line for the ufw-kde package
[14:20] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: How would I add that? I've added ${python:Depends} in the Depends: section
[14:21] <jarkko> for example this kdeconnect, that comes from kde itself?
[14:21] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: right, remove ${python:Depends}, add python2.7
[14:21] <ovidiu-florin> jarkko: what about ir?
[14:21] <jarkko> why do you need to repack it?
[14:21] <jarkko> because of depencies?
[14:21] <ovidiu-florin> if they differ, then yes
[14:21] <Riddell> jarkko: kde writes the souce for it, we package it to make .deb packages you can install with apt or muon
[14:21] <Riddell> jarkko: we don't repack it
[14:23] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: he meant if we repack the debian packages for KDE
[14:23] <jarkko> yes that's what i meant
[14:23] <Riddell> we don't
[14:23] <Riddell> packages in debian we have a process to automatically sync those into ubuntu
[14:23] <jarkko> great
[14:23] <Riddell> and kubuntu is part of ubuntu
[14:23] <Riddell> (along with ubuntu unity and xubuntu etc etc)
[14:24] <jarkko> i just noticed you talking about lisencing here, how to add it or so
[14:24] <jarkko> to package, that just sounded a bit weird
[14:24] <Riddell> anything we package we need to make sure is licenced under a free software licence, sometimes upstream forgets to do that or includes something which is non-free
[14:25] <jarkko> do you give them feedback then?
[14:25] <jarkko> that it gets corrected
[14:25] <Riddell> yep
[14:25] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: the error is still there
[14:25] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin is going to e-mail the developer of ufw-kde because his licencing while valid is not as clean as it should be
[14:25] <ovidiu-florin> can tou please take a look?
[14:28] <jarkko> i saw a news at phoronix that debian changes their program policy that every program has to have somekind of description or its removed from gui install
[14:28] <jarkko> grammar...error :D
[14:28] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: still there
[14:32] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: should I also mention in that mail about this problem?
[14:32] <ovidiu-florin> it's about the same file
[14:33] <jarkko> i installed xfce today on top of kubuntu...so i have both now...but i think the slow thing is not kde or xfce, but xorg
[14:33] <jarkko> slow start
[14:35] <ghostcube> meh battery information doesnt work with kde connect 0.4.2 too
[14:38] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: is there a prefference for GPLv2 over GPLv3 ?
[14:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fun https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/intltool/add-qtdesigner-support/+merge/145112
[14:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yes, KDE prefers and requires GPL2+  (just for consistency) http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy
[14:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yay fixed it, it was a python3 script :)
[14:40] <ovidiu-florin> I saw
[14:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh my oh my, please pick up ^^
[14:40] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: now what?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yep, looking into it
[14:40] <shadeslayer> will poke dpm with pointy stick
[14:40] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: copy the packages to your machine and install and test
[14:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if you manage to get ahold of him, please also mention that ubuntu-translations has a pile of kubuntu import bugs WRT translation imports into launchpad
[14:41] <shadeslayer> ack
[14:41] <apachelogger> blocks me pocking pitti to fix  up export :S
[14:42] <apachelogger> oh, tatties almost done, going to be afk for a while
[14:42]  * shadeslayer will bribe everyone with beer
[14:43] <shadeslayer> beer @ next UDS for you, and you and you .. oh wait ...
[14:43] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: http://pastebin.kde.org/puiyzsvxu/kozhnz should I change something?
[14:44] <Riddell> "Could you please, if possible make the licensing more consistent." -> "Could you change this to a copy of the GPL2 text to be consistent with the rest of KDE?"
[14:45] <ovidiu-florin> done. sending
[14:45] <ovidiu-florin> should I cc kubuntu-devel ?
[14:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :(
[14:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no worky
[14:46] <shadeslayer> oh huh
[14:47] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: nah
[14:47] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yay it works for me :)
[14:47] <shadeslayer> intltool-extract works, -update is still wonky
[14:48] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: missing dependency python-ufw. I forgot. dpkg does not add dependencies
[14:49] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: shouldn't ufw be added as a dependecy ?
[14:49] <ovidiu-florin> works here as well
[14:50] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yeah I guess so
[14:52] <ovidiu-florin> GPL version 2 or version 3 or later versions approved by the membership of KDE e.V.
[14:52] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^
[14:52] <ovidiu-florin> so GPLv3 is ok
[14:52] <ovidiu-florin> for KDEW
[14:52] <ovidiu-florin> KDE*
[14:53] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: where?
[14:53] <ovidiu-florin> http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy point 5
[14:53] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^
[14:54] <Riddell> yes that's an alternative to GPL2+
[14:55] <Riddell> but it's not the same as GPL3+ which doesn't allow you to share code with GPL 2 code
[14:55] <Riddell> and we have bits of GPL 2 only code
[14:55] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: what about the gpg error? shoul I build that localy to resolve it?
[14:55] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: that's a good sign, it means the package is all done and all that's missing is being signed by the gpg key for upload
[14:55] <ovidiu-florin> so GPL3 is not backwords compatible?
[14:55] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: no it's not
[14:56] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: should I build it localy to sign it?
[14:56] <ovidiu-florin> or will one of you do that?
[14:56] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: if you want to upload it to your PPA you can sign it with your key or if you think it's good enough to go into the archive then I can sign it and upload there
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> I can't judge if it's good enough. I'm not experienced enough. You would have to do that for now.
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> but I'd add it to my ppa first
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> to have some launchpad activity :D
[14:58] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: the packaging is all good, my question is how functional is this?  does it successfully do everything a ufw frontends needs to or does it have bugs and missing features?
[15:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: huzzah it works
[15:09] <shadeslayer> I can see them strings in the pot
[15:16] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: if it does, we'll file bug reports
[15:16] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: groovy, I signed it, you can upload with  dput ubuntu ufw-kde_0.5.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[15:16] <Riddell> I always run   cat ufw-kde_0.5.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes   before to make sure it's sane
[15:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sweet
[15:18] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell:  you lost me. i don't understand the last part
[15:19] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: just look at the .changes file to make sure you're uploading to the right ubuntu release and with the right version number
[15:21] <ovidiu-florin> the description for the debug package needs to be changed
[15:21] <ovidiu-florin> it's to long
[15:21] <Riddell> I agree
[15:24] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: just run  debuild -S  to remake the source for uploading
[15:24] <Riddell> also you'll need to ask me to sign it again
[15:25] <ovidiu-florin> I'd like to upload it to my ppa first
[15:25] <Riddell> also needs   debuild -S  to be run
[15:25] <Riddell> then on your local machine run   debsign -rubuntu@ec2-107-20-69-114.compute-1.amazonaws.com:mnt/kde-ufw/ufw-kde_0.5.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[15:29] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: gpg: skipped "Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan<EMAIL_ADDRESS>secret key not available
[15:31] <ovidiu-florin> I have my key on this PC
[15:32] <Riddell> but do you have a key for Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[15:32] <Riddell> output of   gpg --list-key "Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[15:33] <ovidiu-florin> it's for Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan (ovidiu-florin<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:33] <ovidiu-florin> it also has the IRC name in there
[15:35] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^
[15:46] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: add<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to the debsign command
[15:48] <ovidiu-florin> it worked. What did I do ?
[15:49] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: you told it which gpg key to use
[15:50] <Riddell> edit ~/.devscripts if you want it to remember it
[15:50] <Riddell> DEBSIGN_KEYID=DD4D5088  is what I have
[15:51] <ovidiu-florin> localy or on the EC2 ?
[15:53] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: locally
[15:54] <ovidiu-florin> I don't have a .devscripts on this machine
[15:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you have a look at lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde/
[15:54] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: so make one :)
[15:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it has the final modifications for the new kde sdk package
[15:54] <shadeslayer> now with a desktop file
[15:55] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: should it contain anything else?
[15:56] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: nope
[15:56] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: can you guide me to upload to my ppa?
[15:57] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: dput ppa:<lpuser>  foo_source.changes
[15:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: unsure about "+Name=KDE 4 SDK
[15:57] <Riddell> "
[15:57] <Riddell> upstream branding no like KDE 4
[15:57] <Riddell> maybe just KDE SDK
[15:57] <shadeslayer> hm, I suppose, we could call the KF5 one "KF5 SDK"
[15:58] <Riddell> "Metapackage for developing KDE and ontop of KDE" -> "Metapackage for developing KDE Software"
[15:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: now while you're adding that, would it be a good idea to add a kubuntu-desktop one?
[15:58] <Riddell> for all those Ubuntu Software Centre using people who want to know how to install kubuntu desktop
[15:58] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:59] <shadeslayer> maybe ;)
[16:01] <apachelogger> mh
[16:01] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: upload the source changes file
[16:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: perhaps drop a short mail to kde-promo
[16:01] <sgclark> Riddell: when you get a moment I have two ready for you :)
[16:01] <apachelogger> maybe the'd rather like KDE Technology SDK or somesuch rubbish
[16:03] <shadeslayer> k
[16:11] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: Rejected: Source/binary (i.e. mixed) uploads are not allowed.
[16:15] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: right you need to upload the source changes file
[16:15] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: what did you upload?
[16:19] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: $ dput ppa:ovidiub13/ufw-kde ufw-kde_0.5.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.changes
[16:19] <ovidiu-florin> and it uploaded everything
[16:21] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: not the amd64.changes
[16:22] <Riddell> run debuild -S
[16:22] <Riddell> it'll give you a  sources.changes
[16:22] <Riddell> then you can dput the sources.changes
[16:22] <Riddell> after signing it
[16:30] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~ovidiub13/+archive/ufw-kde
[16:31] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: awooga :)
[16:32] <ovidiu-florin> yeee
[16:32] <ovidiu-florin> my first package and ppa
[16:32]  * Riddell gives ovidiu-florin his kubuntu ninja yellow belt
[16:32] <sgclark> nice :)
[16:32]  * ovidiu-florin accepts
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: do you think the EC2 is still necessary?
[16:37] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: got mail form launchpad: State: Failed to build
[16:39] <Riddell> so yes it probably is :)
[16:39] <Riddell> find the logfile from https://launchpad.net/~ovidiub13/+archive/ufw-kde/+packages
[16:39] <Riddell> debian/rules:7: /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/debian-qt-kde.mk: No such file or directory
[16:39] <Riddell> needs pkg-kde-tools as a build-depends
[16:39] <Riddell> you can use pbuilder if you want to check the build-depends are all good
[16:46] <shadeslayer> hooray, 12.04 shits itself when using qemu from trusty
[17:03] <yofel> what the freakin' CSS - bug 1273279
[17:03] <yofel> http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour is fun
[17:04] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: yofel how about that wordpress migration?
[17:05] <ovidiu-florin> I've found a few scripts that can migrate the content, from DB to DB
[17:05] <ovidiu-florin> but it requires some maintenance
[17:05] <Riddell> sgclark: kcmutils uploaded!
[17:05] <ovidiu-florin> I'm willing to do that, but only if I know that everybody wants that
[17:05] <yofel> dunno, do we have a wordpress and server admin?
[17:06] <ovidiu-florin> I'm willing to maintain it
[17:06] <Riddell> feature-tour was edited by a google code in student who then ran away :(
[17:06] <yofel> :/
[17:06] <ovidiu-florin> WP test: http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/
[17:08] <yofel> if nobody gets to it I might make an attempt at fixing the page later
[17:09]  * yofel makes his way home
[17:14] <Riddell> sgclark: kbookmarks descriptions tidied up a bit and uploaded!
[17:16] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: how's your package getting on?
[17:16] <sgclark> thank you!
[17:18] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I've just re-uploaded the package
[17:18] <ovidiu-florin> and I'm waiting for the launchpad mail
[17:18] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: did you bump the version number?
[17:19] <ovidiu-florin> no
[17:19] <ovidiu-florin> :(
[17:19] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: you'll need to change ~ppa1 to ~ppa2
[17:19] <Riddell> or use dch -i to add a new changelog entry
[17:25] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: Fixed launchpad build issues
[17:25] <ovidiu-florin> is this a good message for changelog ?
[17:28] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: no it's not a launchpad issue
[17:28] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: try "add pkg-kde-tools build-depend"
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: http://i.imgur.com/77xjGgP.png
[17:40] <shadeslayer> yofel: it's like someone gave kubuntu.org weed
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: I know
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> I did not make that theme
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> jussi sayd he liked it, so I gave it a try
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> IMO it's terrible
[17:55] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~ovidiub13/+archive/ufw-kde
[17:56] <jussi> I said nothing...
[17:56] <jussi> wait, what?
[17:57] <jussi> apachelogger: (and others). I did the upgrade today, went flawlessly also. I had some SW from 3rd party repos, no problems. looking good as we speak
[17:57] <ovidiu-florin> in Munich, when we talked about the site, we talked about a posibility of migrating the site to wordpress
[17:57] <ovidiu-florin> and you found this theme, Oxygen theme
[17:57] <ovidiu-florin> jussi: ^
[17:58] <jussi> I said I liked wordpress... and that the theme existed.
[17:58] <ovidiu-florin> oh
[17:58] <ovidiu-florin> so there are no constraints to use that theme
[17:59] <jussi> no, I dont give a damn if its used or no
[18:02] <ovidiu-florin> great
[18:03] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: it compiled!
[18:03] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[18:03] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: shall I upload to the ubuntu archive?
[18:03] <ovidiu-florin> yup
[18:05] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: uploaded!
[18:05] <Riddell> it'll now go into New queue where hopefully an archive admin will review it for being sanely packaged and having a free licence
[18:05] <ovidiu-florin> yeeey
[18:19] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: so now you know how you can spend your life getting to know all about packaging :)
[18:19] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ Bugs for new and updated Kubuntu Packages, Archive package buildstatus and upstream watch, Debian Merges   lots to be done in there
[18:19] <Riddell> not to mention KF5
[18:24] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I think I'll shut down the EC2 now
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ok
[18:25] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: unless you want it for some more packaging
[18:26] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: honestly, I like development more
[18:26] <ovidiu-florin> I'll configure my own machine for packaging if needed
[18:26] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[19:03] <BluesKaj> how to enable F keys without needing the Fn to make some of them work like launching yakuake with F12 ?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> me hides from crosspost monitoring :)
[19:06]  * genii shakes a finger at BluesKaj and goes "Tisk tisk!"
[19:07] <BluesKaj> genii, hate to look desperate, but I'm getting close. don't have a setting in the bios afaik
[19:19] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion homerun 1.2.0
[19:20] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1273385
[20:03] <BluesKaj> ok now I have to startx after login and the desktop effects crashed kwin ...we seem to be going downhill very quickly
[20:09] <apachelogger> jussi: yay
[20:33] <sgclark> Riddell: kio ready for you
[20:36] <Riddell> ooh that one is a biggie
[20:36] <Riddell> apachelogger's review ubiquity slideshow content deadline was yesterday, anyone want to take that on?
[20:36] <Riddell> ahoneybun, valorie?
[20:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: suspend no work without pm-utils https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1273413
[20:41] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah it is a monster. Note the patches to rename due to conflicts
[20:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you make sure you have com.ubuntu.Upstart on DBus?
[20:45] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1273413] no suspend available without pm-utils @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1273413 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[20:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes running qdbus com.ubuntu.Upstart shows lots of dbus output
[20:48] <shadeslayer> okay so then it's something else
[20:48] <shadeslayer> will have a poke tomorrow
[20:48] <shadeslayer> but it shows up just fine here
[20:48] <shadeslayer> possibly I should reboot after removing pm-utils
[20:48] <shadeslayer> but anyway, tomorrow
[20:52] <Riddell> yes I did a reboot
[20:59] <BluesKaj> gotta startx to get to the desktop, is this a bug that suddenly came down in an upgrade ?
[21:01] <sgclark> I do not have that issue
[21:03] <BluesKaj> ok
[21:14] <soee> BluesKaj: but login works fine for you ?
[21:14] <soee> *gui
[21:26] <BluesKaj> soee, yeah , just the login , after that X fails
[21:26] <BluesKaj> looking at he logs now, but i don't see anything yet
[21:35] <BluesKaj> looks like Kwin is the problem
[23:15] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: are you around?
[23:29] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin
[23:29] <Riddell> only briefly
[23:29] <ovidiu-florin> got a reply from Craig
[23:29] <Riddell> what's the gossip?
[23:30] <ovidiu-florin> he can't
[23:30] <Riddell> he can't?!
[23:30] <ovidiu-florin> "kcm_ufw_helper.py.cmake contains code taken from the ufw-frontends project, and this is GPLv3. "
[23:30] <ovidiu-florin> "Hence why the COPYING file is also GPLv3. The source files are v2, as this is what I used when starting. I changed to v3 as I borrowed code from ufw-frontends."
[23:30] <Riddell> ah fair enough then
[23:31] <ovidiu-florin> so there goes that.
[23:31] <ovidiu-florin> the package remains the same, right?


[07:24] <apw> fairuz, you should indeed be able to use the source from apt-get source and the /boot config
[07:25] <apw> fairuz, the .orig is a *** raw upstream kernel, there are very likely several stable updates in the applied delta
[07:26] <apw> so for quantal the orig is a v3.5 upstream tarball from kernel.org
[08:09] <cking> kengyu, hiya, were were going to finish off the fwts items in the k-t roundtable meeting today?
[08:09] <kengyu> cking, yes, supposed to ....is the roundtable finished?
[08:10] <cking> kengyu, not sure if it started, ask ogasawara
[08:10] <kengyu> cking, ivan is not here yet, maybe wait for a few minutes?
[08:10] <ogasawara> cking: we've wrapped up the roundtable, anyone is free to use the room and remaining time
[08:10] <cking> kengyu, indeed, we have alex and myself participating via irc and the video feed
[08:11] <cking> ogasawara, thanks! :-)
[08:11] <kengyu> cking, ok, 3 more mins for ivan, then we will go.
[08:12] <cking> kengyu, i had a go at implementing that filtering for cert yesterday, it looks do-able but I may need to re-work some things
[08:13] <kengyu> cking, saw the patchset, first glance it is good in shape.
[08:13] <cking> that was the first of many :-(
[13:36] <Nevik_> hey guys, i'd like to get the 3.6.5 kernel from the mainline-ppa, but there is not headers-030605 _all package there (only the -generic, which depends on the _all)
[13:36] <Nevik_> who do i talk to about these kernel package builds ?
[13:36] <Nevik_> i saw in the build log that the _all package failed building
[15:33] <dejuren> Hi all... there's no linux-headers-3.6.5*_all.deb package for the PPA v3.6.5-raring and v3.6.4-raring @http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/, this looks like an error. The installation of the linux-headers*i386/amd64 fails 'cause dependencies. Anyone care to shed some light here?
[15:35] <Nevik> dejuren: ive asked the same question earlier, with no answer so far
[15:35] <Nevik> i noticed that the *_all package failed to build according to the build log
[15:35] <dejuren> Nevik: I guess we'll need to wait more
[15:36] <Nevik> yeah
[15:37] <dejuren> I'm about to repeat the question in the PPA email addr, will let u know if they come back to me
[15:40] <Nevik> dejuren: cool, thanks :)
[15:40] <dejuren> np
[19:30] <food1> not  sure if it is right place to ask, I installed 64bit kernel but after installation description says "Linux kernel image for version 3.4.0 on 32 bit x86 SMP" whereas previous kernel description is "Linux kernel image for version 3.2.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP" I am confused if it installed the 32 bit kernel
[19:31] <food1> So here is the output of few commands: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1324534/
[19:32] <food1> I downloaded 3 amd64 deb package from  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.4-precise/
[19:33] <food1> anyone can tell me that if i did anything wrong or it is Okay?
[19:35] <appulli> food1, did u install deb package to upgrade
[19:35] <food1> appulli, yeah
[19:37] <food1> here is what i exactly installed http://paste.ubuntu.com/1324593/
[19:37] <appulli> dpkg-deb -c foo.deb should all files in deb package
[19:38] <food1> you mean , i should reinstall using dpkg-deb?
[19:38] <appulli> mkdir  /tmp/mypkg && dpkg-deb -x foo.deb /tmp/mypkg
[19:38] <appulli> try this
[19:40] <appulli> this will extract all files to /tmp/mypkg and u can see which vmlinuz-xxx u have
[19:42] <engla> I wonder what's a good way to really be sure you booted into a x86-64 kernel, say check maybe the size of /proc/kcore:  ls -lh /proc/kcore
[19:43] <appulli> uname -a
[19:44] <engla> I'm not sure
[19:45] <food1> dpkg-deb -x linux-image-3.4.0-030400-generic_3.4.0-030400.201205210521_amd64.deb mypkg/
[19:45] <food1> it extracted
[19:45] <food1> And it is 3.4
[19:45] <appulli> ls -l mypkg/boot
[19:46] <appulli> what vmlinux-xxx file do u have there
[19:46] <food1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1324623/
[19:46] <food1> vmlinuz-3.4.0-030400-generic
[19:47] <appulli> food1, what if you do a file on it
[19:48] <food1> huh?
[19:48] <food1> did not get you
[19:48] <appulli> I think it is 32bit kernel
[19:48] <appulli> file vmlinuz-3.4.0-030400-generic
[19:48] <food1> i see
[19:48] <food1> But kernel.ubuntu linked it as amd64
[19:49] <food1> Output of uname -a Linux main 3.4.0-030400-generic #201205210521 SMP Mon May 21 09:22:02 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:50] <appulli> then u install the right kernel
[19:50] <food1> and output of uname -m x86_64
[19:50] <appulli> u might have ended up booting the wrong one
[19:50] <appulli> they u are in a 64 bit kernel. what makes u think you booted a 32 bit kernel
[19:52] <food1> well, The synaptic Description : linux-image-3.4.0-030400-generic       3.4.0-030400.201205210521                 Linux kernel image for version 3.4.0 on 32 bit x86 SMP
[19:53] <food1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1324642/
[19:54] <food1> The Note: version 3.4.0 on 32 bit x86 SMP
[19:54] <food1> This is making me confused
[19:55] <food1> On Default kernel on Ubuntu 12.4 the Description is : linux-image-3.2.0-29-generic           3.2.0-29.46                               Linux kernel image for version 3.2.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[19:55] <appulli> food1, it is manual edit desc, it can be wrong
[19:55] <appulli> but you are running is a 64 bit kernel
[19:55] <food1> i see
[19:56] <food1> appulli, Can you tell me which command can make me 100% sure that i am running 64 bit Kernel Please?
[20:09] <food1> appulli, So there is nothing to worry about 32 bit ... right?
[20:43] <food1> file vmlinuz-3.4.0-030400-generic
[20:43] <food1> vmlinuz-3.4.0-030400-generic: Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 3.4.0-030400-generic (apw@gomeisa) #201205210521 SMP Mon May 21, RO-rootFS, swap_dev 0x4, Normal VGA
[22:43] <Nevik> dejuren: the *_all package is there now
[23:51] <engla> sforshee: hi, I've tested your series 'brcmsmac: Tx rework and expanded debug/trace support' on top of 3.6.5 with success. It fixes my macbook air issues with wifi. awesome work!


[09:12] <Rajeev> Hello
[09:22] <Rajeev> I need to combine two Internet connections to ubuntu.Anyone Knows how to use the Bond or Team option in Network Gui,Like the metric shortcut  in windows..