[01:53] <cjae> can I make konqueror have a proper tool bar?
[02:39] <muji> hello fellas/ and femmas, i tried to do apt-get update, and i got this error: http://pastie.org/5409667
[04:09] <melvincv> omg I can't set a password for a user in kubuntu!
[04:10] <melvincv> even sudo passwd *username is not working!
[04:11] <melvincv> someone plz help me asap
[04:12] <RamchandraApte> melvincv: elaborate please
[04:12] <RamchandraApte> why did sudo passwd username fail?
[04:18] <melvincv> I'n not able to login
[04:20] <melvincv> When I try to login as the user, I get a terminal black screen and then the login prompt again.
[04:20] <melvincv> trying again...
[04:21] <melvincv> there is no 'switch user' ?
[04:21] <melvincv> ok, got it
[04:23] <melvincv> great. had to enter my pass 2 times to get back to my session.
[04:23] <melvincv> should be some lock feature...
[04:25] <melvincv> still no go...
[04:25] <melvincv> not able to login as a new user. That's a show stopper. Going back to Ubuntu and Unity then.
[04:27] <melvincv> Or log in automatically and use Kubuntu as a internet kiosk ;)
[04:27] <melvincv> The fastest way to get to the Internet?
[07:17] <tshering> how to format usb pendrive in kubuntu 12.10 64 bit
[07:18] <bazhang> tshering, with the cli? the gui?
[07:18] <tshering> gui if there is ..:)
[07:18] <tshering> gui if there is one...
[07:19] <bazhang> well gnome has gparted, not entirely sure about kde/qt
[07:20] <tshering> yes ..thats what i was searching for but couldn't find one
[07:23] <Tygart> I usually use KDE partition manager.
[07:24] <Tygart> its allready installed
[07:39] <Shift_> kubuntu should make chrome as the default browser
[07:40] <tsimpson> you mean chromium, chrome is non-free
[08:28] <tshering> Does the formatting in KDE Partition Manager is done via the properties tab ?
[09:16] <Torch> tshering: if you just want to re-create a file system, yes
[09:16] <tshering> thank you
[09:19] <tshering> two more questions - problems with sox in k3b in 12.10 and bluetooth problems in the same OS..
[09:58] <Mmike> what font am I changing to change the appearance (font) in the taskbar?
[09:58] <Mmike> it's barely readable with the font I have now
[10:00] <tsimpson> Mmike: I'd guess Taskbar under System Settings -> Application Appearance -> Fonts
[10:01] <Mmike> <- blind man
[10:01] <Mmike> TheDrums, tsimpson
[10:01] <tsimpson> no problem
[10:03] <Mmike> hm, it looks like there is some bug or something...
[10:03] <Mmike> it looks awfull
[10:06] <Mmike> there is some weird shaddow
[10:07] <Mmike> http://mmike.dyndns.org/~mario/taskbarfonts.png
[10:21] <jd46> city.set
[10:23] <jd46> you ey you
[10:33] <jd46> set room is place
[12:41] <Jarris> what is responsible for the screen when the LUKS passphrase is asked. there i have ugly pixel graphics and messages about what started are popping up in the password promt. any hints for me? thx in advance
[12:43] <Jarris> all happaning at boot, befor lightdm is started
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:58] <markit> hi, anyone with the home in a NFS share?
[13:13] <Jarris> it's Plymouth, isn't it?
[13:20] <RamchandraApte> Jarris: why do you have a dialog asking for passphrase before ldm?
[13:20] <RamchandraApte> Jarris: do you encrypted disk or something?
[13:21] <Jarris> sure
[13:21] <RamchandraApte> Jarris: ?
[13:22] <Jarris> RamchandraApte: i have a encrypte disk, but /boot. so there will be a luks prompt at boot
[13:25] <RamchandraApte> Jarris: is it in GRUB?
[13:28] <Jarris> RamchandraApte: GRUB ofc version 2, what else LILO? :)
[13:35] <hateball> Hmmm, is there a way to 'diff' on two open files in Kate?
[13:35] <hateball> I have them side by side
[13:40] <OerHeks> hateball try Kompare, you need to save those 2 files first.
[13:40] <hateball> OerHeks: I was hoping to not have to, otherwise I could just have used diff in the first place. Thanks tho :)
[13:41] <OerHeks> Kompare is graphical
[13:45] <hateball> OerHeks: Graphical or not is not really an issue to me, for some reason I just had two cutouts side by side in Kate and it got me curious :)
[13:46] <OerHeks> kate shuld have a diff option :-)
[13:46] <OerHeks> *c/should
[13:48] <hateball> I'll just go back to bash :p
[13:49] <linwin2> hello
[14:01] <fisco> hola alguien habla español spanihs
[14:16] <Yusup> hola fisco, english please
[16:55] <Riddell> kubuntu meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[16:56] <xixor> Riddell: what's on the agenda?
[16:56] <Riddell> agenda https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[16:56] <xixor> thanks
[17:56] <WineQQ_> hi guys i need your help :)  I installed debian squeeze fileserver on vmware player and smb.conf works fine with user = share + guest ok = yes ....
[17:56] <WineQQ_> now i wanted to use the security = user option with smbpasswd -a user  but when im trying to enter a directory set with chmod 777 he doesnt accept the user/passwd  :(
[18:19] <notze_> hi there
[18:19] <notze_> actually my kubuntu runns very well except 2 things! kde doesnt auto recognize if i attach a monitor and the settings are never saved
[18:19] <notze_> does anybody have help for this topic?
[18:20] <notze_> i think thats very basic
[18:22] <genii-around> notze_: For the desktop to load up next time with the same settings as when you shut down... System Settings...System Administration... Startup and Shutdown... Session Management
[18:23] <genii-around> And check off "Restore previous session"
[18:23] <notze_> okay thats done
[18:23] <notze_> already thx
[18:23] <notze_> but that cannot be the solution since! you never know if i start the monitor attached or not
[18:27] <genii-around> notze_:  The detection of monitors after bootup is a tricky one. A lot of video cards made by ATI/AMD for instance have this problem where if one is not there at boot it never bothers to look again.
[18:28] <notze_> hum
[18:28] <notze_> ok
[18:28] <notze_> genii-around: look-> the monitor connections is recognized and it asks for opening the dialog
[18:29] <notze_> but thats not perfect
[18:29] <notze_> it should safe the settings
[18:33] <genii-around> notze_: But how can it know you will be plugging the same monitor in every time? etc
[18:35] <notze_> look i love linux i love kde. i have a system on the left with kubuntu on the left windows. same monitors. if i detach the windows machine it works perfectly
[18:35] <notze_> not with kubuntu
[18:35] <notze_> now i want to improve linux with discussing it with you guys :=
[18:35] <Torch> notze_: so? what's your point? windows and linux/kde are not the same?
[18:35] <notze_> no
[18:35] <notze_> windows can do it
[18:35] <Torch> notze_: then use windows.
[18:35] <notze_> so we need to be able to do it as well
[18:35] <notze_> i dotn want
[18:35] <Torch> notze_: if it's so important to you
[18:36] <notze_> Torch dont talk to me
[18:36] <Torch> notze_: patches welcome
[18:36] <notze_> yes as soon as i found that one is needed
[18:36] <notze_> i would do it
[18:36] <notze_> but i will exclude you from the user list since you'Re a destructive person
[18:57] <WineQQ_> hi guys i just installed debian fileserver and configured smb.conf  with security = share
[18:57] <WineQQ_> i also added 2 new user with password  with smbpasswd ... but when it comes to authorizing over network it doesnt work for me
[18:57] <WineQQ_> pls help :)
[19:17] <lordievader> WineQQ_: Ask around in #debian, this is #kubuntu only Kubuntu is supported here.
[19:24] <noaXess> hey all
[19:24] <noaXess> does anybody works on laptop with nvidia ?
[19:25] <noaXess> since latest kde and lightdm i have a lot grafic usage problem.. if effects are on, after minutes, i can't work.. and xorg uses to much cpu so i need to disable effects with SHIFT+ALT+F12..
[19:26] <noaXess> i have moved /etc/X11/xorg.conf so kubuntu should auto use the correct driver
[19:26] <noaXess> are there any settings that can optimize grafic for 12.10, nvidia, and xorg?
[19:28] <genii-around> noaXess: I'm not having problems with native KDE apps currently, but firefox sitting on pages with flash content will suddenly make X climb to 90-99% cpu until flash crashes then it goes back to normal.
[19:28] <noaXess> jep... it is also mine prob.. if i work in firefox then xorg cpu usage is horrible
[19:31] <noaXess> ineed to work with no effect.. but also this is sometimes uses a lot of cpu usage.
[19:31] <ozzzy_> firefox isn't good
[19:31] <noaXess> but it also happens in other programms.. w/o ff opend
[19:32] <genii-around> noaXess: gtk programs?
[19:34] <noaXess> hm.. too
[19:34] <noaXess> genii-around: and java progs.. also thunderbird.. normal usage
[19:35] <genii-around> I don't think thunderbird is a Qt app.
[19:37] <noaXess> yea.. but all those apps are working great on 12.04.. and now.. problems.. does the problem com e from lightdm?
[20:34] <notze_> if i boot the kubuntu from the cd like trial edition my UMTS device is found and works. if i install it its not working but found by lsusb what can it be
[20:34] <munny> hi all
[20:34] <notze_> the mobile_broadband is greyed out
[20:36] <munny> anyone can help me with kubuntuforums.net? from this mornig i can't access with 403 Forbidden message :(
[20:36] <munny> Spammer tolerant host network (hn-103) :(
[20:49] <genii-around> notze: You probably need the firmware loaded. I had this with my Gobi2000 adapter
[20:49] <genii-around> notze: You probably need the firmware loaded. I had this with my Gobi2000 adapter
[20:49] <notze> i have the same
[20:49] <notze> but it works on the live system
[20:49] <notze> that makes me wondering
[20:50] <genii-around> !info gobi-loader
[20:50] <genii-around> notze: The gobi-loader will try to load the firmware and make the wwan0 device
[20:51] <notze> right thats not here
[20:51] <notze> thx
[20:51] <notze> good hint
[20:52] <genii-around> notze: I may still have the firmware around, if so I can put it somewhere accessible for you
[20:52] <notze> try it! reboot
[20:52] <notze> yeah tell me in asecond :=
[20:52] <notze> thx
[20:58] <genii-around> notze: Any joy?
[20:59] <notze> mhm gobi-loader is active
[20:59] <notze> still looking for the right firmware
[20:59] <Tygart> I want to see my battery discharge rate using powertop but it does not show it. I was about to download batmon.app is this correct?
[20:59] <genii-around> notze: I'll PM
[20:59] <notze> thx
[21:05] <genii-around> notze: It's what I'm currently using on this box for my device: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 03f0:241d Hewlett-Packard Gobi 2000 Wireless Modem (QDL mode)
[21:06] <genii-around> ( right now the firmware is not loaded and it only sees one device, after it loads it sees two devices )
[21:08] <genii-around> notze: If you have those untarred and gobi-loader installed, should be good to go. I'll be here when you reboot
[21:09] <notze> cool th
[21:09] <genii-around> notze: I would rather do the support in open channel and not PM unless sensitive info, like my IP
[21:09] <notze> ok :)
[21:13] <enlon> Hi, is it possible in NetworkManager to enter the wpa2 key in hashed form and not the password?
[21:15] <genii-around> notze: dmesg reports OK for the gobi now?
[21:16] <notze> almost working!!! device is found
[21:16] <notze> only connecting doesnt
[21:16] <notze> but pin everything works
[21:16] <genii-around> Good :-)
[21:19] <notze> hum
[21:19] <notze> for some reason no connect maybee bad network or username problem
[21:19] <genii-around> notze: My amss.mbn file is probably not good for your provider ( mine is for Rogers ). Let me see to find a list
[21:23] <notze> systemname: ttyusb1
[21:23] <notze> thats strange i think
[21:28] <genii-around> notze: Nah. At any rate, you may find something useful to find the right set of ISP specific files here: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Qualcomm_Gobi_2000
[21:42] <notze__> but that means now that on the live cd theres the firware active?!
[21:44] <genii-around> notze__: Apparently.
[21:47] <maurizio> CIAO
[22:03] <phoenix_firebrd> 4.9.80 available for testing?
[22:38] <paul_> need help installing a printer...anyone there?
[22:39] <paul_> port 9100 doesn't work, what port can I use? the printer is connected via USB
[22:41] <paul_> hello?
[22:42] <notze_> never allow yourself to ask in another channel if no one answers, otherwise a guy called Torch becomes crazy
[22:44] <notze_> and hes like a torch in the dark he can see it in every channel
[22:47] <paul_> thx for the advice but your pretty useless at helping with printing issues
[22:48] <paul_> theres only one channel and you're the only other one here
[22:53] <genii-around> paul_: Have you tried adding it from System Settings...Hardware...Printers   ?
[23:02] <genii-around> paul_: Have you tried adding it from System Settings...Hardware...Printers ?
[23:03] <genii-around> Meh, he is gone again.
[23:04] <notze_> genii
[23:05] <notze_> i try now the original fireware from windows image
[23:05] <notze_> since still problems


[00:30] <ChinnoDog> marcoceppi: So, why is juju so great and can I use it for anything practical without an entire cloud at my disposal?
[03:26] <marcoceppi> ChinnoDog: Juju is amazing because it provides a layer of orchestration no other tool does at the moment (as well as configuration management, etc). We're working on making a cloudless story better. We have some of this as the "manual" provider which will allow you to tell juju "these are machines I have available for you to use" and then you can use Juju to orchestrate those machines
[04:11] <manchicken> So is there a meeting coming up soon
[04:11] <manchicken> ?
[04:46] <ChinnoDog> It will if you make a meeting.


[18:22] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:43] <snail> morning
[18:46] <Atamira> mornin
[18:59] <Atamira> ibeardslee, are you wgtn?
[19:03] <mwhudson> morning
[19:04] <ibeardslee> Atamira: yeap
[19:05] <Atamira> are you attending the wordpress camp thing?
[19:05] <Atamira> or word something
[19:06] <ibeardslee> no
[19:06] <Atamira> anyone like hells pizza?
[19:06] <ibeardslee> nom nom nom nom
[19:06] <Atamira> theres a special on at hells atm...$1 pizzas
[19:06] <Atamira> http://www.groupy.co.nz/
[19:06] <ibeardslee> seen that
[19:06] <Atamira> love hells pizza's
[19:06] <ibeardslee> YADS
[19:07] <ibeardslee> Yet Another Discount/Deal Site
[19:08] <Atamira> no good?
[19:08] <ibeardslee> Hell Pizza is great
[19:09]  * ibeardslee is starting to get too many accounts/emails from the various deal for a day type sites
[19:12] <ajmitch> morning
[20:36] <ajmitch> sometimes having servers on lenny can be a pain when you want to use packages that are only in squeeze
[22:42] <ibeardslee> are people having an ubuntu-nz meetup at LCA?


[17:19] <dupondje> HDMI output seems completely broken for me on Utopic :(
[17:24] <tjaalton> on what
[17:24] <tjaalton> hw
[17:24] <dupondje> Intel & Nvidia card (optimus)
[17:24] <dupondje> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108M [GeForce GT 540M] (rev a1)
[17:24] <dupondje> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[17:25] <dupondje> Image of the screen http://dupondje.be/nouveau/20140923_013459.jpg
[17:25] <dupondje> I can move cursor over the screen when loggin in. But after everything is loaded, even cursor doesn't display on it anymore
[17:26] <dupondje> so really don't know where I need to start to debug
[17:29] <tjaalton> the hdmi is likely owned by the nvidia gpu
[17:29] <dupondje> It was even worse, HDMI didn't have any signal at first. But was able to track down the bug for that already (reported upstream https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84203)
[17:29] <dupondje> tjaalton: yes, HDMI is on the nvidia card
[17:29] <tjaalton> so it's just nouveau being crappy I guess
[17:30] <dupondje> well in #nouveau they tell me its prolly intel ddx that causes issues
[17:30] <tjaalton> of course
[17:31] <dupondje> ;)
[17:32] <tjaalton> try a later mainline kernel
[17:38] <dupondje> let me try :)
[17:48] <dupondje> tjaalton: same issue.
[17:48] <dupondje> also tries xorg-edgers ppa, but doesn't fix it neither
[17:49] <dupondje> tested http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-intel-next/ btw
[17:50] <dupondje> a quite annoying regression imo :(
[17:52] <tjaalton> regression since when
[17:53] <dupondje> worked on 14.04
[17:54] <tjaalton> well if #nouveau claims it's in the intel ddx then bisect that
[17:55] <dupondje> xserver-xorg-video-intel then? :)
[18:01] <tjaalton> yep
[18:02] <dupondje> quite annoying to bisect no? Cause it depends on some versions of xorg-server ?
[18:03] <tjaalton> build from source
[18:04] <tjaalton> trusty had 2.99.910
[18:04] <tjaalton> utopic has .914
[18:04] <tjaalton> check the versions in between
[18:16] <tjaalton> and file a bug
[20:19] <dupondje> lets bisect :D
[20:53] <dupondje> tjaalton: ok, already got it working
[20:53] <dupondje> now 7 steps to go, and we have the commit :D
[21:03] <dupondje> 975b9798be77b30cbed485583d0ccb48318708f7
[21:04] <dupondje>
[21:04] <dupondje> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/commit/?id=975b9798be77b30cbed485583d0ccb48318708f7
[21:04] <dupondje> this one
[21:08] <tjaalton> let ickle know
[21:42] <dupondje> created a bugreport (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84298)


[01:52] <zma> hey, I just pushed something to launchpad with whoami information I don't want to disclose. How can I remove the latest revision totally?
[01:54] <StevenK> bzr push -r -2 --overwrite , I think
[01:54] <wgrant> That will just remove it from branch history
[01:54] <wgrant> It will still be retrievable from the repository if someone really tries
[01:56] <wgrant> zma: Can you delete the branch from Launchpad, or is it trunkish so not really deletable?
[01:56] <zma> wgrant: it's trunkish, I've got some 18 revisions there
[01:57] <zma> wgrant: is the whoami info sticky in committed revision, or can it be separately altered?
[01:57] <wgrant> zma: OK, so it might be best to get your local branch into a state without the bad data, then use SFTP to rename the .bzr on Launchpad to backup.bzr, then push the branch again using bzr push --use-existing-dir. Once you've confirmed that the branch on Launchpad still works, you can remove backup.bzr to get rid of the bad whoami.
[01:57] <wgrant> It can't be altered after the revision is committed.
[01:58] <wgrant> (without rewriting the history of the branch)
[01:58] <wgrant> Using something like bzr-fastimport
[01:58] <zma> I see
[19:44] <verte_> hey guys. when you subscribe a team to a branch on a proprietary project. Shouldn't that group have access to the branch?
[19:44] <verte_> (with sharing: some)
[19:52] <verte_> very odd
[21:52] <wgrant> verte_: If it's a stacked branch then you need to ensure that they also have access to the branch that it's stacked on
[21:52] <wgrant> They won't be able to see it without the data from the stacked branch.
[21:52] <wgrant> Er, from the stacked-on branch


[00:38] <davidascher> hi y'all.  anyone here been successful installing vmware tools on ubuntu 10.10?
[00:39]  * micahg uses Virtualbox
[00:43] <davidascher> micahg: will it let you access mac filesystems from the guest OS?
[00:43] <micahg> davidascher: hmmm, idk
[08:55] <fishor> hallo all, i have problem with current 4.0b8pre. Fi watch youtube video embeded to thirt party website, i'll get lot's of artifacts
[08:55] <fishor> here is screencast http://videobin.org/+281/2il.html
[08:55] <fishor> do this some thing known?
[13:19] <fta2> jdstrand, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/7.0.517.41~r62167/  (bug 663523)   as usual, I can't test armel
[13:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663523 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "6.0.472.63~r59945 -> 7.0.517.41~r62167 upgrade (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663523
[13:19] <jdstrand> fta2: thanks!
[13:21] <fta2> jdstrand, it's a major upgrade, so i took that opportunity to re-sync my branches (so lucid caught up and all l/m/n are at the same level packaging wise).. i think that was the idea, right?
[13:22] <fta2> there was not much difference anywhay. just apport and some translations
[13:22] <fta2> anyway
[13:25] <jdstrand> fta2: well, the idea was to keep the changes in debian/ minimal regardless of the upstream version. I'll review it. from what you said it sounds like it shouldn't be a problem
[13:30] <fta2> jdstrand, ok, thanks. let me know if you have any question regarding the changes
[13:48] <flo1> hello, how can I change the font for writing a new not-html message?
[14:29] <flo1> bye.
[15:53] <chrisccoulson_> asac - i've narrowed down our problem with gcc-4.5 quite a bit now
[15:53] <chrisccoulson_> ......hardening-wrapper!
[15:53] <chrisccoulson_> does that mean i can blame jdstrand? ;)
[16:01] <asac> chrisccoulson_: yeah
[16:01] <asac> chrisccoulson_: actually kees
[16:01] <chrisccoulson_> asac - yeah, i just asked kees for help on #ubuntu-devel
[16:01] <chrisccoulson_> next step is to narrow it down to a specific build option
[16:02] <chrisccoulson_> i will try -fstack-protector first
[16:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: then there should be no issue with thunderbird builds since it's not used
[16:02] <chrisccoulson_> micahg - yeah, that's ok then
[16:02] <chrisccoulson_> although they should use it ;)
[16:05] <asac> chrisccoulson_: have you looked at ffox 4 + GL/GLES support for webgl?
[16:05] <asac> do we need a session on that at UDS?
[16:05] <asac> what we really want is that you can easily swap out GL/GLES backend for that
[16:05] <asac> both on armel and i386 ....
[16:06] <chrisccoulson_> asac - not yet, although I think there was an e-mail on one of the mozilla mailing lists a couple of weeks back detailing the current state of all of this
[16:06] <chrisccoulson_> let me check, just to make sure i didn't dream it ;)
[16:07] <asac> i think all this already landed
[16:07] <asac> in trunk for 4.0 ... that was my impression at moz summit a few month back at least
[16:11] <fta> hi
[16:11] <fta> anyone running natty here?
[16:11] <fta> need chromium/natty testers, for the gcc 4.5 stuff
[16:14] <fta> asac, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/chromium-translations.png
[16:15] <asac> fta: awesome. is that the future or already implemented?
[16:15] <asac> a full feedback loop is really good if you get this going
[16:16] <fta> asac, it's 99% implemented
[16:25] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson_: fyi, if I take a thunderbird profile (<IP_ADDRESS>, ~/.mozilla-thunderbird) created on hardy, then copy that to a maverick system and run thunderbird, I lose all my imap accounts. See lp:qa-regression-testing/notest_testing/thunderbird
[16:25] <jdstrand> s/notest/notes/
[16:26] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson_: so it seems 2.0 to 3.1 are not quite seemless
[16:26] <micahg> jdstrand: I think someone reported that as well :(
[16:26] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson_: this won't affect the pending update, since the some problem is with maverick-release
[16:26] <jdstrand> micahg: k. more of an fyi for the 3.1 transition
[16:27] <micahg> jdstrand: thanks, we'll need to address that in the next two months since Lucid will be moving to 3.1
[16:27] <jdstrand> micahg: well, lucid has 3.0, so it may be ok (haven't tested yet)
[16:28] <micahg> jdstrand: right, be we'll be supporting upgrades from Hardy and Karmic still
[16:28] <jdstrand> reight, yeah, I see what you mean now
[16:28] <jdstrand> right
[16:28] <chrisccoulson_> jdstrand, oh, thanks. i'll remember that ;)
[16:29] <jdstrand> so hardy (2.0) or karmic (2.0) -> lucid (3.1)
[16:54] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: I was wondering, since we have no "beta" builds in teh daily PPA ATM, can I strip that out for the LUcid 3.1 upgrade?
[17:29] <chrisccoulson_> micahg - yeah, that can be taken out of the 3.1 upgrade, if there aren't any beta builds already
[17:30] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: ok, I was going to try to push 3.1 to tb-stable, but in light of jdstrand's findings, I think I'll wait
[17:30] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: also, I think at this point, I"m going to remove the mv .thunderbird .thunderbird.UPSTREAM as well since our dailies use .thunderbird
[17:35] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: should I assign the gnome-web-photo glue issue to you?
[17:39] <chrisccoulson_> micahg - yeah, can do
[17:40] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: k, done, and milestoned for alpha 3
[17:40] <chrisccoulson_> thanks
[19:21] <ubugeek> Hi, how can I install firefox 3.6.11 on Lucid - packet manager still say - no updates
[19:28] <ubugeek> ok, no answer - bye
[21:18] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: was the gcc bug fixed?
[21:20] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, not yet
[21:20] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: thanks
[21:24] <gnomefreak> firefox wont open :(
[21:25] <gnomefreak> does crome use xul?
[21:25] <gnomefreak> chrome
[21:34] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, it's webkit based
[21:34] <micahg> gnomefreak: the problem with Firefox/xulrunner in Natty is the hardening-wrapper
[21:34] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks
[21:37] <gnomefreak> >50 mailing lists post only 1 is not spam
[21:50] <gnomefreak> i cant belive most of the addons have not been updated passed 4.0b6 we are on ~b8
[21:50] <micahg> gnomefreak: b6 is the last release ATM
[21:51] <gnomefreak> not for us
[21:51] <micahg> b7 is branched, but waiting for stuff to land/be fixed
[21:51] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, I'm saying it's the last beta
[21:51] <micahg> I mean teh last one that has been officially released as a beta
[21:51] <gnomefreak> oh
[21:51] <micahg> beta 7 is still pending
[21:52] <gnomefreak> for some reason i have maverick build on natty PPA
[21:52] <micahg> gnomefreak: are you sure the PPA source is set for Natty?
[21:52] <gnomefreak> looking atm
[21:52] <gnomefreak> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu natty main
[21:53] <gnomefreak> firefox-4.0: Installed: 4.0~b8~hg20101018r55986+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~maverick Candidate: 4.0~b8~hg20101018r55986+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~maverick
[21:54] <micahg> apt-cache policy | grep ubuntu-mozilla-daily
[21:54] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ apt-cache policy | grep ubuntu-mozilla-daily
[21:54] <gnomefreak>  500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu/ natty/main i386 Packages
[21:54] <gnomefreak>      release v=11.04,o=LP-PPA-ubuntu-mozilla-daily,a=natty,n=natty,l=PPA for Ubuntu Mozilla Daily Build Team,c=main
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> there are no natty builds of firefox for x86 yet, they all fail because of the gcc issue
[21:55] <micahg> right, was just about to say that :)
[21:55] <gnomefreak> not exactly
[21:55] <micahg> the build is 2 days old
[21:56] <gnomefreak> Version table:
[21:56] <gnomefreak>      3.6.12~hg20101019r34686+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1 0
[21:56] <gnomefreak>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu/ natty/main
[21:56] <micahg> yep, weird
[21:56] <gnomefreak> i have a firefox update waiting for me to get to it
[21:56] <micahg> chrisccoulson: why does PIE work on 3.6 but not 4.0?
[21:56] <gnomefreak> im sure it will fail to configure
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> micahg - does it work on 3.6? remember that we don't run the test-suite there, so the builds all succeed
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> but i bet they don't run ;)
[21:57] <micahg> oh, right, heh
[21:57] <gnomefreak> but what the hell ill let it update and have a smoke in the meantime
[21:58] <gnomefreak> here 4.0 runs but 3.* doesnt again guessing due to gcc bug
[21:58] <gnomefreak> be back in a few
[21:58] <micahg> gnomefreak: right, but you have the maverick build for 4.0
[21:59] <gnomefreak> wait dont we use a general GCC in /rules, i did for SM and dont recall if i did for sunbird but i think i did
[21:59] <micahg> gnomefreak: we're using the gcc in the toolchain across teh board I think
[21:59] <gnomefreak> gerneal == without versions, or is that only for spac
[21:59] <gnomefreak> sparc
[21:59] <micahg> sparc is gone :)
[21:59] <chrisccoulson> sparc? nobody cares about that ;)
[22:00] <gnomefreak> it was a while ago :)
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> yeah, the builds all use the default toolchain, although FF-4.0 has a hack to force gcc-4.5 if you turn on PGO
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> so i can build it on maverick
[22:00] <gnomefreak> oh we are building with PGO now?
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> no
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> but we will hopefully be this cycle
[22:01] <gnomefreak> yeah lots of people want it but im not sure what it is but im betting end-user wont notice it
[22:01] <micahg> gnomefreak: it improves start time
[22:01] <gnomefreak> oh hell yes :)
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> hopefully. i will try and do some benchmarks after UDS and see what real win there is for us
[22:02] <chrisccoulson> i haven't really seen any hard figures about how big a win it is
[22:02] <gnomefreak> ok ill be back while update is going (only 30 packages or so
[22:03] <gnomefreak> 28 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[22:03] <gnomefreak> 4 not fully installed or removed.
[22:03] <gnomefreak> :)
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> you're using natty already?
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> i think i'll wait until at least after UDS before upgrading ;)
[22:06]  * micahg will wait until at least alpha 3, maybe beta if any major changes planned after alpha 3
[22:08] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[22:10]  * gnomefreak much rather have tb32 but it will be a while
[22:11] <micahg> gnomefreak: after UDS, I hope to get 3.2 and 3.3 dailies going
[22:11] <gnomefreak> there used to be a term that allowed me to fold it
[22:18]  * gnomefreak looking for screenshot
[22:32] <BUGabundo> fta: LOL LP fail... it show indiviual mails
[23:04] <fta> BUGabundo, ?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> the mail I sent to gwibber team
[23:08] <fta> oh, i see.


[00:02] <dja> cjwatson: thanks, at some point I'll look that up - I don't do much packaging in my new role
[00:45] <Guest56578> Hrm. Someone should do something about the gvfs autopkgtest on s390x.
[00:46] <tsimonq2> This is curious to me: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/19.04.1 - in the changelog and in source.changes there is "Hans P. Möller <EMAIL>" yet Launchpad shows it as "EMAIL (Hans P. Möller)" - what's up here?
[00:50] <sarnold> you noticed seconds after it was uploaded, heh  :)
[00:52] <tsimonq2> Because I'm the one that uploaded it ;)
[00:53] <sarnold> I wondered if the umlaut was the cause, but an é didn't appear to cause the email (name) view on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxd/1:0.4
[00:54] <tsimonq2> It might be the umlaut, either that or the .
[00:55] <tsimonq2> That's probably something cjwatson would know ;)
[00:56] <Unit193> Someone should really take care of pastebinit and Debian 916372
[00:56] <tsimonq2> It's not the umlaut: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/0.97.8
[00:56] <Unit193> Aka LP 1812232
[00:58] <tsimonq2> stgraber: ^
[00:58] <tsimonq2> Unit193: Would you like to start an NMU process in Debian?
[00:59] <tsimonq2> I will be happy to sponsor if you do the paperwork.
[01:03] <sarnold> python :(
[01:04] <tsimonq2> sarnold: That's news? :)
[01:04] <sarnold> tsimonq2: just a recurring sadness
[01:04] <sarnold> every release breaks *something*
[01:05] <tsimonq2> There's worse packages...
[01:05]  * tsimonq2 glares at glibc.
[01:05] <sarnold> most of those are accidents though :)
[01:05] <tsimonq2> HAH
[01:05] <tsimonq2> I mean, you're not exactly *wrong*.
[01:13] <Unit193> tsimonq2: Not really.
[01:14] <tsimonq2> I'll do it then
[09:13] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: It's the dot.  See https://git.launchpad.net/launchpad/tree/lib/lp/archiveuploader/utils.py#n229
[09:14] <ogra> wow, so screen *actually* has a fixed list of baud-rates it supports ... adding the 1500000 to the supported list makes it work with my rockchip board
[09:15] <ogra> (and oddly enough screen generates it C source from shell scripts dynamically during build ... so weird)
[09:50] <andrewsh[m]> hi everyone
[09:50] <andrewsh[m]> something’s changed, and when I compile Unity, I get:
[09:50] <andrewsh[m]> /usr/local/bin/cc -g -O2 -fdebug-prefix-map=/home/andrewsh/projects/unity=. -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wdate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -DCHECK_FUNCTION_EXISTS=pthread_create  -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro  -rdynamic CMakeFiles/cmTC_b30f1.dir/CheckFunctionExists.c.o  -o cmTC_b30f1 -lpthreads
[09:50] <andrewsh[m]> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpthreads
[09:51] <cjwatson> It surely ought to be -lpthread?
[09:52] <cjwatson> Even xenial didn't have a libpthreads AFAICS
[09:54] <cjwatson> I think this must mean that some bit of configure-time checking is failing to detect the actual pthread machinery and falling back to -lpthreads which really belongs to some other OS
[09:54] <cjwatson> So you probably want to debug the configure-time stuff (cmake or whatever) rather than that link line directly
[09:55] <cjwatson> (Also it should actually end up being -pthread rather than -lpthread IIRC)
[09:56] <cjwatson> It might just be a missing -dev package.  Web-searching for "lpthreads" finds e.g. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31948521/building-error-using-cmake-cannot-find-lpthreads which is a similar sort of tale of woe with that kind of solution
[09:58] <andrewsh[m]> strange thing, there's no mention of libpthreads anywhere in the source
[09:58] <andrewsh[m]> $ grep pthreads -R * | grep -v obj-x86_64-linux-gnu | wc -l
[09:58] <andrewsh[m]> 0
[10:04] <cjwatson> andrewsh[m]: Maybe in some imported cmake module
[10:04] <cjwatson> andrewsh[m]: e.g. look at   dpkg -L cmake-data | xargs grep -s pthreads
[10:06] <cjwatson> Perhaps FindThreads.cmake
[10:06] <cjwatson> Anyway it's hopefully somewhat clear from the cmake output ...
[10:06] <andrewsh[m]> well, yes, but why does it fail to find pthread
[10:06] <andrewsh[m]> weird
[10:10] <andrewsh[m]> -- Found Threads: TRUE
[10:11] <andrewsh[m]> I guess I need to set up sbuild 😕
[10:14] <andrewsh[m]> right, sbuild-createchroot went just fine
[11:25] <cjwatson> rbalint: Please don't use the "Resubmit" vote on merge proposals to mean "I have addressed your comments".  It means "this merge proposal needs to be put together completely differently and resubmitted from scratch".
[11:58] <ahasenack> doko: hi, could you take a quick look at https://launchpad.net/~ahasenack/+archive/ubuntu/samba-4.10/+packages to see if dependency-wise they match our expectations wrt python2/python3?
[11:58] <ahasenack> doko: samba in there only uses python3 now, no py2 dependency as far as I can see
[11:58] <ahasenack> the others (tdb, ldb, etc) have a mix, I chose to use both py2 and py3, and each dep is in its own package
[11:59] <ahasenack> I will cleanup the d/changelog entries now, some have a few "wip" entries and others I can squash together
[11:59] <doko> ahasenack: will do after lunch
[11:59] <ahasenack> ok
[12:05] <rbasak> jamespage: o/
[12:05] <jamespage> irc proxy dropped off - not clear...
[12:05] <rbasak> So on bug 1814911, a few things don't seem right to me, so I wanted to discuss.
[12:05] <jamespage> rbasak: morning
[12:06] <rbasak> First, it doesn't feel right to be changing the dependency structure in an SRU for a feature, unless we're specifically trying to add that feature in the SRU directly, which I'm not sure we are? I think you alluded to that feeling in comment 4? Anyway, that's why I have other questions.
[12:07] <rbasak> The SRU user impact says that Trusty isn't really affected - is that still true?
[12:07] <rbasak> I'm sorry, that Xenial isn't really affected.
[12:08] <rbasak> jamespage: also, in comment 11, you tested to see if an upgrade would bring in the recommends, but you used "apt install" which I think could be different from "apt upgrade"?
[12:08] <rbasak> So will adding the Recommends really work?
[12:08] <rbasak> And then finally, back to my first point - is this something that we really want, or could it be worked around in charms for old releases?
[12:08] <doko> oSoMoN: fyi, we are aiming for the openjdk-11 transition at the end of March. so LO may stay a little bit longer in -proposed ...
[12:09] <jamespage> rbasak: more than 1 month ago - need to refresh memory
[12:09] <doko> oSoMoN: ohh, not sure if you know that: https://hubicka.blogspot.com/2016/03/building-libreoffice-with-gcc-6-and-lto.html
[12:10] <oSoMoN> doko, no, I didn't know, reading now, thanks!
[12:11] <jamespage> rbasak: the recommends does not exist in xenial BUT python-ipaddress is already installed on a xenial base image I think
[12:11] <rbalint> cjwatson, ok, sorry for the wrong vote
[12:11] <jamespage> so a happy co-incidence means that stuff works OK on xenial, but not on trusty, where python-ipaddress is not installed
[12:12] <jamespage> rbasak: I'm actually OK with marking the xenial task as invalid - I fixed the UCA part with a UCA specific patch which we auto-apply to add the recommends
[12:12] <rbasak> jamespage: OK - but it's currently in Xenial unapproved and not in Trusty unapproved.
[12:13] <jamespage> rbasak: that's true - but this is a UCA specific issue on trusty, not a general trusty issue
[12:13] <rbasak> I see, OK.
[12:13] <jamespage> rbasak: xenial feeds trusty/mitaka in the UCA
[12:13] <rbasak> ah
[12:14] <rbasak> I think I understand the situation then, thanks.
[12:14] <rbasak> Are we in agreement to drop the Xenial SRU then? I'm still open to it if you want to push for it; I would prefer not to do it though.
[12:16] <jamespage> rbasak: updated bug
[12:16] <rbasak> Thanks!
[12:16] <rbasak> I'll reject from the queue then.
[12:26] <jamespage> +!
[12:26] <jamespage> 1 rather
[12:41] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, do you think we should reupload a new poppler with this fix? 0.71.0-3 looks like the regression is not fixed...
[12:42] <LocutusOfBorg> (in the new upstream release)
[12:42] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, "this fix"?
[12:42] <seb128> sorry I lack context
[12:48] <LocutusOfBorg> https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/poppler/news/20190302T103433Z.html
[12:49] <LocutusOfBorg> the new 0.71.0-3 has a fix that is not included in our ubuntu package
[12:49] <LocutusOfBorg> while the other patch might be useless
[12:51] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: did you see my virtualbox pings?
[12:53] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, we have 0.74 in proposed, we can't bypass that to land a fix in the disco pocket
[12:54] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, nope! where are them?
[12:55] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, I mean, upload a new 0.74 in proposed with that patch
[12:55] <LocutusOfBorg> how long will it take to migrate?
[12:55] <seb128> no idea
[12:55] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: your virtualbox-hwe (and most likely virtualbox as well) ftbfs in bionic-proposed
[12:57] <LocutusOfBorg> why the hell did it work on my ppa
[12:57] <LocutusOfBorg> damn
[12:57] <LocutusOfBorg> kmk: /usr/lib/jvm/default-java/bin/wsimport: Command not found
[12:57] <LocutusOfBorg> kmk: *** [/<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/src/VBox/Main/webservice/Makefile.kmk:468: /<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/out/obj/vboxjws-gen/jwsgen/jwsglue.list.ts] Error 127
[12:57] <LocutusOfBorg> kmk: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
[12:57] <LocutusOfBorg> JAVA, what else is to blame?
[12:59] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: openjdk-11, please fix
[12:59] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, I'm going to include that in the new upload, would be nice if upstream reviewed/merged it though
[13:01] <tdaitx> LocutusOfBorg: for wsimport please take a look at wsimport.sh from jaxws-ri (https://sources.debian.org/src/jaxws/<IP_ADDRESS>-1/jaxws-ri/bundles/jaxws-ri/src/main/resources/bin/wsimport.sh/)
[13:02] <LocutusOfBorg> tdaitx, I think we need some backported jaxstuff
[13:02] <LocutusOfBorg> yeah
[13:02] <LocutusOfBorg> I did that in my ppa already
[13:02] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/virtualbox-ppa
[13:02] <LocutusOfBorg> but having a fix doesn't make java less ugly
[13:04] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: all these are in bionic-proposed
[13:04] <LocutusOfBorg> yep
[13:05] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[13:05] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, the utf patch might be worse than the upstream already available version https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/poppler/poppler/merge_requests/133/diffs
[13:06] <LocutusOfBorg> the other patch is currently proposed upstream https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/poppler/poppler/merge_requests/189
[13:06] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: please prepare packages, then I'll build those against the -security pocket, and binary-copy those to -proposed
[13:06] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, right
[15:17] <doko> ahasenack: why build 2 and 3 in parallel? I would just remove 2
[15:17] <doko> -rw-r--r-- root/root       353 2019-02-26 20:38 ./usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/pytalloc-util.cpython-37m-x86_64-linux-gnu.pc
[15:18] <doko> please check the pkgconfig files. these are bogus. and I think if you just build with python3 it's called like the python2 one
[15:54] <ahasenack> doko: you rather we get rid completely of python2 in these deps too? talloc, tdb, ldb?
[15:54] <ahasenack> I would have to check the reverse-depends then, see if they can all use python3, no?
[15:58] <xnox> ahasenack, my personal plan for next cycle is to yeah, start killing all the leaf python2 things if python3 exists, and i don't think there are that many reverse-deps for samba stack, as in, isn't it mostly self-contained?
[16:02] <ahasenack> it's the deps
[16:02] <ahasenack> like ldb, used by sssd
[16:02] <ahasenack> tdb I think also is used elsewhere
[16:10] <ahasenack> bzr-git pulls in python-tdb
[16:13] <ahasenack> and I think that's the only one
[16:13] <ahasenack> talloc and ldb are self contained in terms of reverse-depends
[16:14] <ahasenack> doko: ^
[16:14] <nacc> ahasenack: and that's a reverse-recommends
[16:14] <ahasenack> xnox: ^
[16:14] <nacc> ahasenack: not a depends
[16:14] <ahasenack> oh, right
[16:14] <ahasenack> so a) drop that to a suggests; b) get rid of python2-*?
[16:14] <nacc> python-samba rev-deps on python-tdb, but that's it
[16:14] <xnox> drop them.
[16:14] <ahasenack> hi nacc, btw :)
[16:15] <nacc> ahasenack: hiya :)
[16:15] <xnox> plus we probably gonna move to brz-git soon which is python3
[16:15] <nacc> heh
[16:15] <ahasenack> brz
[16:15] <ahasenack> heh
[16:15] <nacc> xnox: whose clever naming is that?
[16:15] <ahasenack> xnox: so (a) for bzr-git?
[16:16] <xnox> nacc, well they had to fork the name to escale the cla. and it does do a provides alternative bzr
[16:16] <xnox> breezy is the name
[16:16] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/brz i don't know which one of them came up with the name
[16:27] <seb128> vorlon, can you review fwupd-signed in cosmic SRU queue? the upload from friday failed binary upload because the package compute a binary version that is different from the source, and while 1.2ubuntu > 1.2 ... 1.2ubuntu+fwdupversion <  1.2 +fwdupversion
[16:28] <seb128> vorlon, which I workarounded now by changing to 1.2.0ubuntu...
[16:34] <vorlon> seb128: done
[16:34] <seb128> vorlon, thx
[17:55] <ahasenack> doko: after ./configure, make, make install, this is the layout with just python3: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/DvrYypz2w5/
[17:55] <ahasenack> the pkgconfig name mangling is there. is that really wrong, or just an annoyance?
[17:57] <doko> ahasenack: I would say, this is wrong, but yes it's upstream. so maybe leave that, and provide a symlink pytalloc-util.pc ?
[18:00] <ahasenack> sorry, my connection dropped, not sure if you replied
[18:01] <sarnold> < doko> ahasenack: I would say, this is wrong, but yes it's upstream. so maybe leave that, and  provide a symlink pytalloc-util.pc ?
[18:03] <ahasenack> sarnold: thanks
[18:05] <ahasenack> doko: the build-depends on python{,3}-talloc-dev seem to come just from samba itself, ldb and tevent, aka, the "samba ecosystem", and they seem to build fine with that pkgconfig
[18:05] <ahasenack> how about I leave it as is, make sure I rebuild everything once I got rid of py2 in all these packages, and see if it breaks?
[18:08] <doko> ahasenack: fine with me
[18:09] <doko> ahasenack: and you can remove me dependency work around for talloc
[18:09] <doko> my ...
[18:53] <directhex> ok, so if i want to file a kernel bug using `apport-bug linux` I get a small (3K) apport log which basically only contains a list of package dependencies. if i want to append an existing bug with `apport-collect existing-kernel-bug` I get a huge 0.5MB report with loads of info - lspci, dmi info, etc. how can i get apport-bug to make a big log for a new kernel bug?
[18:53] <directhex> it's a networking issue, so i can't use apport-collect whilst booted into the bad kernel
[19:33] <directhex> aha, cracked it - had to copy the source_linux.py hook to source_linux-hwe.py
[19:34] <sarnold> aha :)
[19:53] <directhex> sadly not, you can no longer use ubuntu-bug, apport-cli, etc, to attach an apport report to an existing bug. they all tell you you _must_ use apport-collect to do that, but you can't use apport-collect offline
[19:54] <directhex> so it's not possible to file attachments to networking bugs 🤷
[20:27] <nacc> directhex: can't you use apport-bug --save ?
[20:27] <nacc> directhex: or apport-cli?
[20:28] <directhex> apport-cli: error: -u/--update-bug option cannot be used together with options for a new report
[20:28] <directhex> apparently not.
[20:29] <xnox> popey, i lack powers! give me morrrrre powers please =)
[20:33] <mwhudson> good morning
[20:35] <ahasenack> hi mwhudson
[20:38] <nacc> directhex: what options did you specify? did you read the manpges, etc.
[20:38] <nacc> directhex: specifically, you use --save, then file --crash-file with -u, which is specifically mentioned in the manpage for netowrking related issues
[20:39] <directhex> $ apport-cli -u 1818294 -c ./apport.linux-image-4.15.0-46-generic.lz35uk5j.apport
[20:39] <nacc> directhex: further, i think you want #ubuntu :)
[20:47] <infinity> powersj: Yo.
[20:48] <powersj> infinity, hey I heard you want rails ownership
[20:48] <infinity> Don't make me start kicking people from this channel too.
[20:48] <powersj> :D
[20:48] <mwhudson> don't believe anything Odd_Bloke says
[20:49] <infinity> powersj: Is the "untested" state of the trusty.6 server ISOs accurate, or is the state actually "tested, but we haven't bothered posting results yet"?
[20:49] <infinity> powersj: (Asking because I wouldn't mind fixing a small PPC bug, which would trigger a respin of the server world, but I won't bother if it's all tested already)
[20:49] <powersj> infinity, the latter paride needs to update it. When we chatted this morning he was a go for release
[20:49] <infinity> powersj: Okay, I will just let my buglet live on then.
[20:50] <infinity> It was there in .5 too, I just apparently failed to notice, or didn't care enough to fix it.
[20:50] <infinity> Turns out this doesn't work so well with 4.4 kernels:
[20:50] <infinity>         case "$KERNEL_MAJOR" in
[20:50] <infinity>             2.6|3.*)
[20:50] <infinity> Derp.
[20:50] <powersj> heh
[20:51] <mwhudson> i wonder how many things are going to break now that disco has 5
[20:51] <mwhudson> you'd hope we'd learn that lesson eventually...
[20:51] <infinity> We learned some lessons with 2->3 and learned a lot harder with 3->4.
[20:51] <infinity> I don't expect 5 to be much of an event.
[20:53] <infinity> mwhudson: But also, doesn't everyone run in the --uname-2.6 personality to just fix all the bugs? :)
[20:54] <infinity> nosferatu:~$ linux64 --uname-2.6 uname -r
[20:54] <infinity> 2.6.79-13-lowlatency
[20:54] <infinity> Problem solved.
[20:54] <infinity> LP buildds ran in that personality for years while we hunted down everything that 3.0 broke.
[21:02] <mwhudson> infinity: omg what
[21:02] <mwhudson> i had no idea that was a thing
[21:07] <vorlon> I run in the SCOSVR3 personality to fix all the bugs
[21:07] <infinity> 13:48 < infinity> Don't make me start kicking people from this channel too.
[21:08] <vorlon> I have legitimately used the OSF4 personality before... but not this decade
[21:16] <mwhudson> what does Task-Key: do in seeds?
[21:17] <mwhudson> i am confused by the way the cloud-image seed has Task-Key: cloud-init
[21:17] <mwhudson> but e.g. open-sshserver has "cloud-image" not "cloud-init" in Task
[21:33] <infinity> mwhudson: Task-Key is a hint to tasksel.  It's mostly useless these days.
[21:33] <infinity> mwhudson: But rgrep 'Key' in the tasksel source if curious.
[21:34] <mwhudson> infinity: seed_from_task in livecd-rootfs looks for it
[21:34] <mwhudson> but i wonder if it shouldn't
[21:35] <mwhudson> uh was that part of the big branch i reviewed
[21:36] <mwhudson> seems likely
[21:36] <infinity> Yup.
[21:36] <infinity> git blame puts it at 1ab78e78
[21:36] <mwhudson> yeah
[21:36] <mwhudson> ok time to re-review that bit of that branch :)
[21:37] <infinity> For tasks with metapackages, Task-Key should be the metapackage itself, so it probably does what jibel wanted in the cases he wanted it.
[21:37] <infinity> But that's more luck than design.
[21:38] <mwhudson> the name that ends up in Task: in Packages is just the name of the seed, right?
[21:38] <infinity> Yeah.
[21:38] <mwhudson> so seed_from_task should probably just be echo $1
[21:38] <infinity> Well, ish.
[21:38] <mwhudson> depending on what it's actually used for
[21:39] <infinity> If by "seed" he means "the file called 'desktop'", then it's more complicated than you make out.
[21:39] <mwhudson> now what about Task-Per-Derivative
[21:39] <infinity> Cause ubuntu-desktop == ubuntu/desktop
[21:42] <infinity> Task-Per-Derivative is what defines if the "desktop" file is "desktop" or "$flavour-desktop"
[21:42] <infinity> bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/ubuntu-archive-publishing/
[21:42] <infinity> lib/scripts/generate_extra_overrides.py
[21:42] <infinity> getTaskName() and getTaskSeeds()
[21:43] <infinity> That's the definitive UTSL documentation of how this works.
[21:44] <mwhudson> hnngh
[21:44] <mwhudson> i guess that is the relevant code
[21:45] <mwhudson> because when you say
[21:45] <mwhudson> add_task install foo
[21:45] <mwhudson> that ultimately finds the packages from the foo seed by looking for foo in the Task field in Packages
[21:45] <infinity> s/seed/task/ :P
[21:46] <mwhudson> yes
[21:46] <infinity> We never address anything by seed.  Seeds are a backroom implementation detail.
[21:46] <infinity> And attempting to refer back to them after the fact might well be the real mistake here.
[21:46] <mwhudson> so we want to find the snaps that wouold have the foo in their task field if that was a thing
[21:46] <infinity> But I need tacos more than I need opinions.
[21:47] <mwhudson> maybe germinate needs to spit some more stuff out?
[21:47]  * mwhudson tries to figure out if this worked any less by accident before jibel's branch
[21:49] <mwhudson> hm don't think so
[21:53] <mwhudson> oh right, the way to get snaps installed in a layered vs non-layered builds are basically disjoint
[21:53] <mwhudson> perrrobably should make that a bit more obvious
[23:26] <bdmurray> Why are distro-info-data stable updates also in security?
[23:27] <sarnold> it's fair game for folks to run with -security only
[23:28] <bdmurray> so if I have an SRU for it then you'd want to put it in -security?
[23:29] <sarnold> probably; I
[23:30] <sarnold> I've never done one myself so I'm not sure the criteria to use :) but if it's important for upgrading from one distro to the next, then it'd probably be a good candidate
[23:31] <bdmurray> Its not so I still wonder why its in -security. The update just added Disco.


[00:21] <phillw> ianorlin: as desktops are only supported for 9 months now, the devs are concentrating on getting a rock solid 13.10 release out and also concentrating upon the 1st LTS of lubuntu in 14.04. If you'd like to help out, head over to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities
[06:36] <Guest23566> does anyone here have any issues when connecting an external monitor to a laptop?
[06:37] <holstein> Guest23566: no
[06:37] <holstein> Guest23566: well, with certain hardware, i dont even bother trying, but with hardware that has linux drivers, no problems
[06:38] <Guest23566> so when you save the setting of having the external monitor being your single primary monitor you have not problems with the desktop background or openbox?
[06:38] <holstein> Guest23566: nothing that i wasnt able to work around.. but i use arandr
[06:39] <Guest23566> why arandr and not the default lubuntu tool?
[06:39] <holstein> Guest23566: i use arandr on everything.. because it works for me, and in know it
[06:40] <Guest23566> can you try to see if you have any problems when using the default lubuntu tool
[06:40] <holstein> Guest23566: i have, and i dont
[06:40] <holstein> Guest23566: what problems are you having?
[06:41] <Guest23566> the background is a mix with lubuntu and openbox
[06:41] <holstein> "a mix" ?
[06:42] <Guest23566> yeah it is like the laptop monitor which is off is overlaid in the background on the external monitor
[06:42] <Guest23566> i right right in some areas i get the regular lubuntu menu, and on other areas i get the standard openbox menu
[06:42] <Guest23566> click*
[06:43] <holstein> Guest23566: i have had "funky" stuff happen with lxde and openbos and dual head. but nothing i wasnt able to either deal with or fix
[06:43] <holstein> Guest23566: you can set that setting in the bios... and reboot
[06:43] <Guest23566> i think the problem is during start up dual monitors are working but my session settings are only for 1 external monitor
[06:45] <holstein> Guest23566: have you tried configuring with arandr? or using the bios to disable the one you dont want to use? or test dual head support in something you are more familiar with (maybe xfce) to see if the driver support is "good"
[06:46] <Guest23566> well if i use arandr, then the problem won't be fixed for everything else who just use the standard lubuntu configuration
[06:46] <holstein> Guest23566: so, it works?
[06:47] <holstein> Guest23566: lubuntu is likely not interested in adding a tool.. and we are assuming its "broken" for everyone else.. could be just your specific hardware case
[06:47] <Guest23566> i rather not change settings in the bias because it becomes cumbersome since sometimes i go mobile and don't use the external monitor as my primary monitor
[06:47] <Guest23566> i don't think it is a driver issue
[06:48] <holstein> Guest23566: i dont know if it is, but neither of us has confirmed that
[06:48] <Guest23566> intel integrated graphics seem to be well supported in linux
[07:03] <Unit193> Mine isn't.
[07:05] <holstein> yup.. i have on intel machine that is a pain.. worse than my via chip
[07:06] <holstein> one*
[12:52] <OnkelTem> hi
[12:52] <OnkelTem> how to run install in text mode?
[12:53] <OnkelTem> gui install just segfaults
[12:57] <OnkelTem> hello?
[13:03] <phillw> OnkelTem: use the alternate ISO
[13:11] <OnkelTem> phillw: thanks. i wonder why this install isnt included into base iso
[13:14] <phillw> OnkelTem: lubuntu are the only desktop team that now offer a specific alternate install ISO in order to keep things CD sized, they are two seperate ISO's
[15:54] <cloneG> hello I am trying to run Wallch on lubuntu 12.04 but I cant
[15:55] <cloneG> it installs flawlessly but image of the day and live earth images wont show
[15:55] <cloneG> I am pretty annoyed for I am using the same program on another computer Ubuntu 12.04 64 bits and it works perfectly
[15:57] <cloneG> the point is the wallch version under ubuntu 12.04 64bits its 3.5 and the one installed on lubuntu is 3.01 and both systems use the same repository!
[15:58] <cloneG> and I followed same steps to install wallch in both systems
[16:00] <cloneG> anyone?
[16:02] <phillw> cloneG: from having a quick read, it is for gnome. I'm assuming it has dependencies that are in lubuntu?
[16:04] <phillw> 3.01 is the latest stable for wallch
[16:04] <cloneG> yeah I was suspecting the same thing because under /home/user/.config/
[16:04] <cloneG> there are two wallch folders in the ubuntu system and only one in the lubuntu
[16:04] <cloneG> wallch and wallch4 in ubuntu
[16:05] <cloneG> and only walch and xfce4 under lubuntu
[16:05] <phillw> cloneG: you can add the wallch 3+ ppa manually.
[16:05] <cloneG> the point is that the wallch4 folder seems to hold the downloaded images from wikipedia that make live earth wallpaper work...
[16:06] <cloneG> I told you the ppa is the same on both systems
[16:06] <cloneG> I added them myself
[16:06] <phillw> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:wallch/3+ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wallch
[16:06] <cloneG> exactly same path
[16:06] <cloneG> yes
[16:07] <cloneG> but under ubuntu works and not under lubuntu
[16:07] <phillw> not sure why you're only getting the 'stable' 3.01.
[16:07] <cloneG> different versions
[16:08] <cloneG> I have  no idea that is why I came asking
[16:08] <cloneG> this is lubuntu forum right?
[16:08] <phillw> I'm just adding the ppa 3+ to my system
[16:08] <cloneG> oh cool
[16:08] <cloneG> its a cool program
[16:09] <cloneG> I was trying to install it on a friends laptop
[16:09] <cloneG> because I am happy with it on my pc
[16:09] <phillw> give it a couple of mins to update eveything (I'm running saucy, so it will have a few updates to do!)
[16:09] <cloneG> saucy?
[16:09] <cloneG> whats that may I ask?
[16:10] <phillw> the name of the 13.10 release, I'm a tester :)
[16:10] <cloneG> oh
[16:10] <cloneG> I like LTS versions
[16:10] <cloneG> thats why I am keeping 12.04
[16:10] <phillw> that will be 14.04, lubuntu's 1st LTS :)
[16:10] <cloneG> when?
[16:11] <cloneG> 2017?
[16:11] <cloneG> I will be balder
[16:11] <phillw> April 2014, saame time as the all the next suites of LTS's land.
[16:11] <cloneG> wow
[16:11] <cloneG> not that far
[16:11] <phillw> lubuntu was too young to have an LTS in 12.04
[16:11] <cloneG> also true for ubuntu ?¿
[16:12] <phillw> yes, ubuntu 14.04 will also be a LTS
[16:12] <phillw> each flavour decides if they are issuing 14.04 as LTS, or with standard 9 month support.
[16:13] <cloneG> I thought 13.04 was going to be lts aswell
[16:13] <cloneG> but not being I am staying on 12.04
[16:13] <cloneG> I want to fill the system
[16:14] <phillw> 13.04 is only a 9 month support, as does 13.10
[16:14] <cloneG> tired of reinstalling things
[16:14] <phillw> no need to re-install! Just do a dist upgrade
[16:14] <cloneG> hmmmm
[16:15] <phillw> but, if you're happy with 12.04, stickwith it!
[16:15] <cloneG> what about all the repos?
[16:15] <cloneG> they would become outdated
[16:15] <phillw> 12.04.3 is due out 29th of this  month.
[16:16] <phillw> the ubuntu based repos will be updated, ones you have added will not be affected
[16:16] <cloneG> you see the point
[16:16] <cloneG> many home programs I have
[16:17] <cloneG> hey how 's that update going=?
[16:17] <phillw> programmes you have installed are not affected when you do a dist upgrade... I'd be furious if they were!
[16:17] <cloneG> did you get the wallch 3.5 on lubuntu?
[16:17] <phillw> i got a couple of errors (usual), just re-running.
[16:18] <cloneG> :-P
[16:18] <phillw> 3g device is not the best for doing updates with :)
[16:18] <cloneG> hey another amazing desktop program is liveWallpaper
[16:18] <cloneG> but I dont think people running would like it
[16:20] <phillw> I used to have the nasa pic of the day installed on my lubuntu system a few releases back, I liked it.
[16:21] <phillw> I've got to install 49 GB of gnome libraries... this will take a few minutes!
[16:21] <cloneG> livewallpaper is memory glutton
[16:21] <phillw> lol 49 MB :D
[16:22] <cloneG> noway
[16:22] <cloneG> youre the only chatting soul in this chat
[16:22] <cloneG> what is the other people doing?
[16:22] <cloneG> picking their nose?
[16:22] <phillw> it has installed wallch 3.0
[16:22] <cloneG> you see!!!
[16:22] <phillw> it is the weekend, they must have a life :)
[16:22] <cloneG> blame on lubuntu
[16:23] <phillw> how so? I got it from the ppa!
[16:23] <cloneG> you tell me
[16:23] <cloneG> I have no idea
[16:23] <phillw> unless the ppa has not installed... let me check
[16:25] <phillw> Couldn't open file /usr/share/gnome/gnome-version.xml for reading, assuming gnome version is 3.
[16:25] <phillw> lubuntu does not have that file
[16:28] <cloneG> oooh
[16:28] <cloneG> so it wont work on lubuntu will it0ç
[16:28] <cloneG> ?
[16:28] <phillw> cloneG: fear not! https://bugs.launchpad.net/wallpaper-changer/+bug/1007222
[16:28] <phillw> I'm jst reading the bug now - and the solution :D
[16:29] <phillw> bbs... 30 minutes past dog feeding time, they're giving me that nagging look :)
[16:31] <cloneG> hmmm
[16:31] <cloneG> does that thread mean to install the latest version of the ppa
[16:31] <cloneG> I already tried those bash lines
[16:36] <phillw> https://launchpad.net/~wallch/+archive/3+
[16:36] <phillw> has the latest raring version
[16:36] <phillw> 3.59
[16:39] <phillw> I'm trying a direct download of the .deb file.
[16:41] <cloneG> hey how do you do that?
[16:42] <phillw> and now it reports that I have version 4.0 :D Looks quite different!
[16:42] <cloneG> If i click the  https://launchpad.net/~wallch/+archive/3+ link I go to a lost something page
[16:42] <phillw> yup, so did I... then I got my detective head on :) Are you running the amd64 or i386 version of lubuntu?
[16:43] <cloneG> i386
[16:44] <cloneG> so you succeed didnt you?
[16:44] <cloneG> is it working?
[16:44] <phillw> this will download the i386 for you as a deb file https://launchpad.net/~wallch/+archive/3+/+files/wallch_3.59-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[16:44] <cloneG> can you see the live earth wallpaper?
[16:44] <phillw> yes it launched fine... no wall papers set up yet.
[16:45] <phillw> once you have the .deb package, use GDebi to install it.
[16:45] <cloneG> oookay
[16:45] <cloneG> thanks alot
[16:46] <phillw> it will warn that this is not the best way to install, but it worked fine for me (i grabbed the amd64 one as that is my system).
[16:46] <cloneG> but still a bit confused..
[16:46] <cloneG> why the deb dowload link was not working?
[16:47] <cloneG> I got the deb file from your post
[16:47] <phillw> 3.59 is only available for raring (13.04)
[16:47] <cloneG> I mean the links in the launchpad bug thread
[16:47] <phillw> it had to grab some extra bits, but GDebi looked after all of that.
[16:47] <cloneG> they are pointing nowhere
[16:48] <phillw> do you have a file on your desktop that starts wallch_3.59-ubuntu ?
[16:50] <cloneG> installing now
[16:51] <cloneG> in the meanwhile another bug this one directly related to lubuntu...
[16:51] <phillw> you can contact the maintainer / file a bug - details are on the launchpad page :)
[16:51] <cloneG> the unit dev/mapper/cryptswaper1 is not ready or present
[16:51] <cloneG> what that might be related to?
[16:52] <phillw> did you install an encrypted home?
[16:52] <cloneG> it always appear on startup but waiting  just do
[16:52] <cloneG> I mean you can normally login
[16:52] <cloneG> uf
[16:52] <cloneG> long ago
[16:52] <cloneG> I dont remember
[16:52] <cloneG> perhaps
[16:55] <phillw> have a read of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1759174
[16:55] <phillw> it is not a lubuntu issue, it affects all flavours.
[16:57] <cloneG> libkeybinder0 unsatisfied dependency (installing the wallch deb you posted)
[16:57] <cloneG> did you get to install that ubuntu 13.04 package on lubuntu12.04=
[16:58] <cloneG> ?
[16:58] <cloneG> oh no
[16:58] <cloneG> youre running saucy
[16:58] <cloneG> you told me
[16:58] <cloneG> so how do I get out of this pit now?
[16:58] <cloneG> do I need to find the missing dependencies'
[16:58] <cloneG> ?
[16:59] <cloneG> oh upgrading...of course
[16:59] <cloneG> you see you spend more time obeying lubuntu requirements than using it
[17:00] <phillw> from the lp page, it is avaialble for raring, I guess that is why it was not backported to 12.04... unmet dependencie.
[17:00] <phillw> we manually over rode that by directly installing it.
[17:01] <cloneG> ?
[17:01] <cloneG> bash?
[17:01] <phillw> the newer library files it needs must not be present in 12.04.
[17:02] <cloneG> which are...
[17:02] <cloneG> how do I tell which the newer library files are?
[17:09] <phillw> cloneG: if you want 3.59 wallch, you need to be running Raring to meet what it needs.
[17:09] <phillw> I've looked further into your cryptswap, from terminal issue:
[17:09] <phillw> top
[17:09] <phillw> and see if there is a swap area listed (near the top)
[17:11] <cloneG> okay how do I upgrade pangolin?
[17:11] <cloneG> I dont see the upgrade suggestion on update manager
[17:11] <phillw> use the update manager in the menu is the easiest way.
[17:11] <phillw> you must have told it to ignore the new releases :)
[17:12] <cloneG> hmmmm
[17:12] <phillw> use the terminal https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[17:12] <cloneG> how do I make it understand I changed my mind
[17:13] <phillw> (don't use the -d option!)
[17:13] <phillw> uninstall wallch, then reinstall it. It will revert back to the one from the standard repo.
[17:14] <phillw> so, either upgrade the version of lubuntu, or accept that in 12.04, you're on the older one... That is choice you must make.
[17:15] <phillw> if you choose the upgrade
[17:16] <phillw> then you will most likely have to do it twice... 12.04 --> 12.10 --> 13.04 The boffins are working on allowing people to skip versions when upgrading, but it is still expermintal; so I'd not recommend it at present.
[17:19] <cloneG> no way
[17:19] <cloneG> the do-release-upgrade finds no newer system versions
[17:20] <cloneG> this is pulling my leg
[17:20] <phillw> sudo do-release-upgrade
[17:20] <cloneG> sudo lacking perhaps?¿
[17:20] <cloneG> okay
[17:20] <phillw> yup, that was from the server area, where they expect us to know :D
[17:21] <SonikkuAmerica> ...Come again?
[17:22] <phillw> if you ever issue
[17:22] <phillw> a really_long-command with -lots of flags
[17:22] <phillw> and then realise you need sudo, issue
[17:22] <phillw> sudo !!
[17:22] <phillw> and it will repeat the command with sudo at the start of it (I use it all the time!)
[17:22] <OnkelTem> what window manager uses lubuntu?
[17:22] <holstein> lxde uses openbox
[17:22] <holstein> OnkelTem:
[17:22] <cloneG> no sudo
[17:22] <cloneG> its not working either
[17:23] <cloneG> it says no new versions available
[17:23] <OnkelTem> if i use expert mode, what should i install to get it holstein?
[17:23] <ianorlin> expert mode?
[17:23] <OnkelTem> alternate iso
[17:23] <OnkelTem> istallation
[17:24] <holstein> OnkelTem: you should only use expert mode, if you are an expert.. lxde or lubuntu-desktop will get you what you want
[17:24] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: Ah. Good to know
[17:24] <cloneG> and the system profiler and benchmark is positively telling me I am using a lubuntu 12.04
[17:24] <OnkelTem> holstein: i am. thanks
[17:25] <holstein> OnkelTem: you ware what? an expert? if you were an expert, you would know, or be able to find out about lxde..
[17:25] <SonikkuAmerica> cloneG: Check software-properties-gtk
[17:25] <SonikkuAmerica> cloneG: it might say "Long-term-support releases only"
[17:25] <SonikkuAmerica> cloneG: Change it to "For any new version" and then issue the command again.
[17:25] <OnkelTem> holstein: why if you just told me?
[17:26] <OnkelTem> im an expert in questioning at least
[17:27] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm inclined to believe that Lubuntu is 3 flavors in one: Lubuntu itself, Openboxbuntu, and whatever the "Nexus7" edition is. All selectable from within lightdm
[17:29] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: with a mix of xcfe thrown in :D
[17:30] <OnkelTem> Is lxde installed with lubuntu-desktop?
[17:30] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: Ah yes. I make that point myself. LXDE depends on about 30% of XFCE just to run. :)
[17:30] <SonikkuAmerica> (Although I must wonder what the Qt port uses)
[17:30] <holstein> OnkelTem: lubuntu *uses* lxde
[17:30] <cloneG> SonikkuAmerica found it thanks
[17:30] <holstein> !lubuntu
[17:30] <SonikkuAmerica> *instead of Unity
[17:31] <OnkelTem> holstein: i see. nice.
[17:31] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: there is no point re-inventing the wheel :) that is why as QA testers, we will happily test any flavour, we all use bits from eachother :D
[17:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Yep! In fact, in the near future, I plan on running the "Big 5" flavors of Ubuntu from (almost) the same hard disk (different partitions)
[17:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Ubuntu, Ubuntu GNOME, Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Lubuntu
[17:33] <OnkelTem> holstein: actually i was unable to install Lubuntu from base iso - installation was crashing at disks detection. Thats why I had to use alternate and expert mode
[17:33] <phillw> xubuntu test case writer wrote up the gnumeric and abiword test cases, I will be amending the test case to include a test for multiple pages as requested by one of the lubuntu testers, that test case will have those extras autmatically appear for the xubuntu package testers :)
[17:33] <holstein> OnkelTem: "chose".... you chose to..
[17:34] <OnkelTem> i had no other alternatives :)
[17:34] <ianorlin> hmm does alternate iso load usb drivers before selecting which disk to install to?
[17:35] <OnkelTem> i was asking here is there a way to proceed in text mode, but was told i need alternate iso.
[17:35] <SonikkuAmerica> ianorlin: Good q. Too bad the alternate iso is dying.
[17:36] <SonikkuAmerica> OnkelTem: Does base iso == mini.iso?
[17:36] <OnkelTem> base -- defalt -- desktop
[17:36] <OnkelTem> i meant
[17:37]  * ianorlin used graphical installer on this comp click try without installing to make sure it saw the usb external hard drive
[17:37] <ianorlin> and plop doesn't support running two cd drivess
[17:38] <OnkelTem> Actually its a bit criptic fot me - why netinst is not a part of desktop
[17:40] <OnkelTem> What if i got and burned desktop iso and then suddenly something goes wrong as in my case?
[17:40] <SonikkuAmerica> OnkelTem: Have you actually gone and *tried* the mini.iso?
[17:41] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: the alternate iso will continue... rumours of its death are premature :)
[17:41] <OnkelTem> SonikkuAmerica: Im not sure i understand what is mini. I downloaded the iso which was there by default. I think it is desktop iso.
[17:41] <SonikkuAmerica> ... That's a new one.
[17:42] <holstein> !mini | OnkelTem
[17:42] <SonikkuAmerica> The problem though with the mini.iso is it does not (yet, I hope) work with UEFI mode.
[17:44] <SonikkuAmerica> I think, however, all that needs to be done is to stick the "efi" folder from the 64-bit Ubuntu images onto the 64-bit mini.iso and integrate it into the boot code.
[17:44] <OnkelTem> holstein: now i found it on the dowload page. it goes after the icon "Standard PC" - the option I used.
[17:45] <ianorlin> did you check md5 sums?
[17:46] <OnkelTem> How much RAM does LXDE consume?
[17:47] <holstein> OnkelTem: try it live... im running quite a few apps and im at 500mb's
[17:48] <holstein> OnkelTem: LXDE is arguably one of, if not the most lightweight "normal" desktop like DE
[17:48] <OnkelTem> Sorry for asking questions like those - I type from phone, sitting via SSH at my office PC from home lol
[17:48] <holstein> OnkelTem: if LXDE's memory management is unaceptalbe to you, you are going to want to build from scratch
[17:49] <OnkelTem> holstein: i tried lubuntu for the first time when i had 256mb
[17:50] <OnkelTem> it was pretty slow but i loved its look
[17:50] <holstein> OnkelTem: my point, again. LXDE is the lightest "ready to go" desktop.. and the lightest officially released on an official ubuntu version
[17:51] <holstein> OnkelTem: you will want something like puppy linux on 256 of ram... or an older OS that is more of that "era"
[17:51] <OnkelTem> good
[17:51] <OnkelTem> but i've got 1gb!
[17:51]  * ianorlin is using lubuntu on a 512 mb desktop
[17:51] <OnkelTem> i bought it from a friend for 2 beers lol
[17:52] <ianorlin> just can't open as much stuff at once as my 4 gb ram laptop that also runs lubuntu
[17:52] <holstein> OnkelTem: you might wnat to test the hardware.. the hard drive.. not assume the hard drive issues you are having are with the installers
[17:53] <OnkelTem> ianorlin: and still it is good idea to have light desktop. its always good idea :)
[17:53]  * SonikkuAmerica is the hypocrite of the bunch, running Windows 8
[17:55] <OnkelTem> To say truth I love Gnome3 either. But its too greedy for resourses. 4% on my 16gb pc
[17:56] <OnkelTem> but it depends on used extensions
[18:47] <OnkelTem> After installation I've got strange problem
[18:48] <OnkelTem> apt-get upgrade segfaults
[18:48] <OnkelTem> apt-get -f install segfaults
[18:48] <OnkelTem> any ideas?
[18:50] <ianorlin> does dist-upgrade?
[18:50] <phillw> OnkelTem: "When a machine starts to misbehave like this, it can be a RAM chip gone bad, causing a few bits to flip. Given the symptoms, it's possible that some library files were corrupted when they were installed.Reboot and run a memory test. Let it run for at least one full pass (keep it running over lunch or overnight). If any of the RAM chips is faulty, change it immediately."
[18:51] <OnkelTem> phillw: thanks. I've already replaced RAM as it was the first idea. But looks like its correct - maybe while installing the file was corrupted
[18:51] <ianorlin> was the new ram working?
[18:51] <phillw> OnkelTem: have a read of the thread at http://askubuntu.com/questions/269285/various-segfaults-in-syslog-firefox-apt-get-and-other-apps-broken - it covers correcting the corrupted files as well :)
[18:54] <OnkelTem> phillw: I wonder is there a tool which just checks files checksums and updates those having wrong numbers
[18:55] <phillw> OnkelTem: if you have your /home as seperate partition, I'd always suggest just doing a clean re-install. You have no idea as to how many files are corrupt. I'm not aware of any tool to do check the checksums and re-install just those.
[19:09] <glassman_> lubuntu 12.04 running of a usb to a dell that is connected to a hp that is running a lazerprinter.  Hook up in ubuntu is ez, lubuntu i am stuck
[19:11] <ianorlin> hp what computer or hp lazerprinter?
[19:12] <thor_> Hi will lxqt-desktop be ready for test in 13.10
[19:13] <phillw> glassman_: hp provide a simple one-stop tool for all their printers / scanners etc.
[19:14] <phillw> hplib, I believe it is installed as default with ubuntu, but needs adding to lubuntu.
[19:18] <phillw> thor_: I'm not sure on that, there is qt work going on but the devs are concentrating on 13.10 'standard',
[19:19] <SonikkuAmerica> ... I assume 'standard' means GTK+ 2 then...?
[19:22] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: yes, our devs are now involved with the razor-qt people for work on 14.04, there is some qt work avaialble in 13.10 (pcmanfm has an early version out in qt)
[19:22] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: Ooh! I didn't realize that was the Qt y'all are working with.
[19:22] <phillw> yeah, pooling resources :)
[19:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Is it lighter-weight than messing with GTK+? (I would assume so)
[19:25] <phillw> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/lubuntu-daily/+index?batch=75&memo=75&start=75 has pcmanfm in both gtk+3 and qt (the qt version is still stable beta).
[19:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, I typically compare by speed. After all, Xubuntu may be big, but it's good-lookin'
[19:28] <SonikkuAmerica> And runs about as fast
[19:32] <phillw> they are still investigating, it is partially driven by ubuntu moving to Mir and leaving question marks over gtk development.
[19:32] <phillw> Recently many things happen to LXDE.
[19:32] <phillw> One of the most drastic changes is the migration to Qt.
[19:34] <SonikkuAmerica> Is Wayland too big? :)
[19:34] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: you'd need to get involved on lxde, I test what we are given :D
[19:35] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: I wish I had more time. College and such
[19:36] <ianorlin> why does hpsetup in the -i option try to print the testpage as root if you run sudo hpsetup
[19:36] <phillw> we do keep people updated, a lot of the discussions are held on the lubuntu-quality mailing list, as it is the people on there who have the task of checking things out :)
[19:36] <ianorlin> hp-setup
[19:37] <phillw> ianorlin: hp-setup is not maintained by ubuntu.
[19:37] <ianorlin> ok
[19:48] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: LOL - did you see smartboyhw's response to your request for a wiki maintainer?
[19:51] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: I had several people respond.. ** note to self, email out who is now wiki TL :D **
[19:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Of course. I lol'ed over what he wrote in partic
[19:55] <phillw> ianorlin: have a look at http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html
[20:02] <lubuntu-newbie> Hello.
[20:02] <phillw> hi lubuntu-newbie
[20:02] <phillw> !ask
[20:03] <phillw> if you want a general chat, we also have #lubuntu-offtopic for non-support related conversations.
[20:05] <lubuntu-newbie> Last night I created a liveUSB install with persistence.  This morning, I installed Firefox, but it didn't pop up in the "Internet" tab.  How do I find it?
[20:09] <phillw> lubuntu-newbie: How large is your persistence area?
[20:09] <lubuntu-newbie> ~3.7 GB
[20:10] <phillw> hmm, should be large enough to install Ffox, how did you install it?
[20:10] <lubuntu-newbie> Through Lubuntu Software Center.
[20:11] <phillw> does LSC show it as being now installed?
[20:12] <lubuntu-newbie> Yes, it does.
[20:12] <phillw> hmm, odd... what version of lubuntu are you using?
[20:13] <lubuntu-newbie> 13.04 i386
[20:16] <lubuntu-newbie> Perhaps I should uninstall it and then try again.
[20:16] <phillw> lubuntu-newbie: that is what I'm thinking as I read up on issues.... open a terminal session and issue:
[20:16] <phillw> sudo apt-get purge firefox
[20:17] <phillw> when that is done, issue:
[20:17] <phillw> sudo apt-get install firefox
[20:17] <Unit193> Why not apt-get --reinstall install firefox?
[20:18] <phillw> Unit193: purge is a bit more aggressive :D
[20:18] <lubuntu-newbie> I actually issued the command via LSC before you suggested using terminal.
[20:18] <Unit193> I'm aware. :P
[20:19] <phillw> that's why I suggested using it.... hopefully gets us a clean slate :)
[20:20] <lubuntu-newbie> Ok, it's unpacking firefox.
[20:23] <lubuntu-newbie> It has finished and the last line says "Please restart all running instances of firefox, or you will experience problems."
[20:26] <phillw> lubuntu-newbie: reboot your machine, just to be safe :)
[20:26] <lubuntu-newbie> Ok.  I'll be back in a moment.
[20:27] <phillw> np
[20:40] <lubuntu-newbie> Thanks!
[20:40] <lubuntu-newbie> I do believe restarting was the issue.   That's something I'll need to remember for when I install something else.
[20:47] <phillw> lubuntu-newbie: most times, logging off and back on will resolve issues, but as lubuntu is so blazingly fast on a re-start it hardly makes sense :D
[20:47] <lubuntu-newbie> Yeah.
[20:47] <lubuntu-newbie> Hm..
[20:48] <phillw> as of 13.10 Ffox will be the default browser.
[20:49] <lubuntu-newbie> Ok.


[01:30] <thumper> bschaefer: ping
[01:32] <bschaefer> thumper, hey
[08:37] <medoc> Hi. I am writing a unity lens/scope for the recoll search engine. I know close to nothing about gtk/gnome/unity and I need a little help
[08:38] <medoc> My problem at the moment is that the recoll search (big disk-based index) is too slow for being started every time a character is typed
[08:39] <medoc> I'd like to time-out a little and only launch an actual search after, maybe a few hundred ms after the user stopped typing.
[08:39] <medoc> Could someone point me to a way to do this, some sample code, whatever ? Thanks
[08:40] <medoc> Ah and the lens is written in Python (which I don't know well either :) )
[10:07] <MCR> Dear Unity developers: Please read this and the comments as well ;) : http://www.webupd8.org/2012/03/unity-with-minimize-on-click-patch.html
[10:51] <mhr3> davidcalle, ping?
[10:51] <davidcalle> mhr3, pong
[10:51] <mhr3> davidcalle, is the video lens even supposed to search in the home view?
[10:51] <mhr3> the files lens should pick up videos as well, so i'm not really sure...
[10:52] <davidcalle> mhr3, It's supposed to act like the music lens.
[10:52] <mhr3> so no results for empty search, but searches work
[10:54] <davidcalle> Yeah, and search only for the local videos scope.
[10:55] <mhr3> right
[10:55] <davidcalle> And the files lens picks up Music results as well, with the locate stuff.
[10:55] <mhr3> true
[10:57] <davidcalle> Hopefully, when a Photo lens comes by default, we will be able to have something more clean on this side and propose lenses for almost each data type.
[10:58] <davidcalle> Or, right now, the files lens could avoid showing video and audio results in the home dash.
[10:59] <davidcalle> But the old results from the video lens is the priority, I'll take care of it.
[12:29] <apw> didrocks, i have another one for you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/962119
[12:29] <apw> didrocks, i will also note i hit the thing which said "display oriented" which _said_ it would file the bug against compiz instead of unity ... it did not however do that
[12:29] <apw> (opr at least thats how i interpreted the text i read)
[12:30] <didrocks> om26er: can you look please? ^ I'm really busy right now with the release stuff
[12:30] <om26er> sure
[12:31] <om26er> didrocks, looking
[12:31] <didrocks> thanks
[12:33] <apw> didrocks, in fact "Thanks for reporting this bug on unity.  Is the issue you are reporting purely graphical (will report more information about your graphic configuration and will report the bug against compiz)?"
[12:33] <apw> it does say it'll file the bug against compiz, and doesn't work
[12:33] <didrocks> apw: doesn't work? what did you get?
[12:33] <didrocks> ah not genuine package?
[12:34] <apw> didrocks, no i filed against unity, it asks that dialog text above, i hit YES, and it didn't move it to compiz like it says it will
[12:34] <didrocks> apw: it won't file it to compiz, however, it adds all the compiz hooks info
[12:34] <didrocks> I guess, I need to check
[12:34] <didrocks> too old :)
[12:34] <apw> didrocks, hmm then the text is wrong i guess .,,
[12:35] <didrocks> will have a look
[12:35] <didrocks> just not… now :p
[12:35] <apw> no rush
[12:35] <didrocks> thanks for spotting it :)
[12:35]  * apw is starting to see stacking issues again ... mostly in menus now
[12:40] <om26er> uh i broke my unity
[12:48] <om26er> wow dash looks hot now. just wow
[12:48] <om26er> apw, seems I can't reproduce the issue  here. do you know when it started happening?
[12:50] <MCR> Is smspillaz still part of your team ?
[12:50] <om26er> MCR, yes
[12:50] <MCR> COOL, good to hear that !
[12:51] <MCR> om26er: Did you break MyUnity or your Unity ?
[12:51] <apw> om26er, its not an operation i use normally i only opened it to see if i had the new buttons in there
[12:52] <apw> om26er, it is easiest to reproduce by moving to focus follows mouse and moving the cursor in and out of the window.  happens about 1/4 of the time
[12:52] <mhall119> MCR: I can see how that can get confusing
[12:52] <MCR> How can I check out Unity from source ? - Is there a wiki somewhere ?
[12:53] <apw> didrocks, om26er, another stacking issue which might be compiz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/962137
[12:53] <mhall119> MCR: bzr branch lp:unity
[12:53] <MCR> mhall119: thx a lot
[12:53] <mhall119> thomi: ping
[12:54] <MCR> mhall119: Compiling with cmake, standard ?
[12:55] <mhall119> MCR: I'm not the one to ask about that, I'm a Python guy
[12:55] <om26er> no test case again :p
[12:55] <MCR> mhall119: ok, thx - I will get it to work somehow ;)
[12:56] <MCR> mhall119: cmake seems to be it
[12:58] <MCR> ups, seems I need some more packages :)
[12:58] <mhall119> MCR: someone else in here will be able to help you
[12:58] <mhall119> they helped me
[13:03] <MCR> Could someone tell me how to best install all the build dependencies for unity ?
[13:46] <arges> dbarth_, hello
[13:49] <tsdgeos> MCR: apt-get builddep unity
[13:50] <tsdgeos> build-dep actually
[13:55] <dbarth_> arges: hi
[13:55] <MCR> tsdgeos: thx a lot :)
[13:56] <arges> dbarth_, hey I saw that you marked pad.lv/960532 incomplete. this bug pretty much makes my laptop unusable, so I'm highly motivated to help debug this
[13:56] <arges> dbarth_, is there a debug guide / wiki / advice on how to get a better test case for this so it can be fixed
[14:00] <MCR> cmake .. worked, but sudo make install failed
[14:01] <MCR> fatal error: Nux/Nux.h: No such file or directory
[14:01] <MCR> any idea what I am missing ^^ ?
[14:13] <dbarth_> arges: ok
[14:14] <dbarth_> arges: for this kind of bug, there's not really a standard process
[14:15] <dbarth_> arges: my suggestion is to do DISPLAY=:0 xwininfo  -root -all > ~/xwininfo-all-stuck.log from a VT
[14:15] <arges> dbarth_, ok, any words of wisdom or perhaps tests  you can suggest that might give a better reproducer ... i can pretty much get it in that state within a 10-30m of usage
[14:15] <arges> ok
[14:16] <arges> so do that when i can't click anymore
[14:16] <dbarth_> arges: right, when it's locked
[14:17] <dbarth_> arges: i've had the bug myself, and this is what i did to document the state
[14:17] <dbarth_> arges: also i think you can reproduce it more easily if you do ALT-F10 repeatadly (was trying to debug another issue and that happened to me again)
[14:17] <dbarth_> arges: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-distro-priority/+bug/948522
[14:18] <arges> ok let me fire it up, i'll check this out
[14:19] <arges> dbarth_, would unity 2d / unity make a difference? i've seen the lockup with both
[14:20] <arges> dbarth_, wow instant lockup hitting alt-f10 repeatably . but its different than the other lockup i've been experiencing
[14:21] <zgreg> I noticed the alt-f10 freeze, too
[14:46] <dbarth_> arges: hmm, you mean it does the same with unity-2d as well?
[14:46] <arges> dbarth_, yes
[14:46] <dbarth_> arges: that would be very interesting, because a few components could be exonerated
[14:46] <arges> dbarth_, i am reproducing now and getting some logs
[14:46] <dbarth_> great
[15:06] <elopio> ping greyback.
[15:06] <elopio> do you have some time for me?
[15:06] <greyback> elopio: what can I do for you?
[15:09] <elopio> greyback: it's just that testability can't find my application. I thought you might know how to debug this.
[15:09] <elopio> greyback: http://paste.ubuntu.com/895187/
[15:09] <elopio> if you have a precise, it will return Run failed. Failed to launch application. [...] ApplicationNotAvailableError
[15:10] <greyback> elopio: try supplyingabsolute path to the execurable
[15:10] <greyback> try supplying the absolute path to the executable (this time looking at what I type:) )
[15:11] <greyback> but if it is in $PATH, that shouldn't matter
[15:12] <elopio> greyback: just the same. The application is started, and I can see it from the visualizer. Still, it says that's not available.
[15:13] <greyback> elopio: hmm, have you the log file /logs/testability/qttasserver.log
[15:16] <elopio> greyback: there's nothing on /logs/testability/
[15:17] <elopio> oh wait
[15:17] <greyback> elopio: you should create that directory so, and try agai
[15:17] <greyback> +n
[15:18] <elopio> greyback: http://paste.ubuntu.com/895203/
[15:19] <elopio> that's the right pid.
[15:20] <greyback> elopio: you have /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/plugins/testability/libtestability.so ?
[15:20] <greyback> (that's for 64bit machine)
[15:21] <elopio> greyback: yes, it's there.
[15:23] <greyback> elopio: so strange. Could you supply ":sleep_time => 10" to the run function please
[15:23] <greyback> just in case the app hasn't loaded the plugin in time
[15:24] <elopio> greyback: same error, but 10 seconds later.
[15:25] <greyback> elopio: so the Visualizer sees the application, and you can inspect elements ok. But this fails
[15:26] <greyback> elopio: what code are you testing? I'd like to try this myself
[15:26] <elopio> greyback: yes. I see the application opened by the script.
[15:27] <elopio> greyback: it's just http://paste.ubuntu.com/895187/
[15:27] <elopio> for ubuntuone-control-panel-qt you have to be on precise.
[15:29] <greyback> ok let me try
[15:31] <elopio> thanks greyback.
[15:31] <greyback> elopio: yep reproduced anyway
[15:38] <elopio> greyback: greyep. If I'd know what the problem is, I could tell the u1 team to fix it. But I have no idea, and I still can't fully understand the ruby code for the run function.
[15:38] <greyback> elopio: I got it
[15:39] <greyback> elopio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/895228/
[15:39] <elopio> greyback: awesome!
[15:39]  * elopio trying...
[15:40] <greyback> elopio: testability checks the process name is running. But since you're app is in python, it's executable is named "python" - so testability never saw an app called "ubuntu-one.."
[15:40] <greyback> which confused it
[15:44] <greyback> elopio: https://projects.developer.nokia.com/dav/Testabilitydriver/doc/api/qt_linux/#GenericSut:run
[15:44] <greyback> elopio: the doc mentions a slight consequence, just fyi
[15:45] <elopio> now the problem seems to be my computer.
[15:45]  * elopio smacking...
[15:46] <elopio> I'll read it. Thanks a lot greyback.
[15:46] <greyback> elopio: yw
[15:46] <zgreg> I wonder if the workspace preview as it is currently implemented is useful (the small overview you get after ctrl-alt-up/down/left/right is pressed to move to another workspace)
[15:47] <zgreg> the live preview is prettyy useless, it's too small, the rendering is full of aliasing, and it needs considerable resources
[15:48] <zgreg> the current workspace is only highlighted, but it's too little contrast
[15:48] <zgreg> s/only//
[15:48] <zgreg> IMO the static preview of the compiz plugin is much more useful, and looks nicer
[15:49] <zgreg> what do you think about this?
[15:49] <bilal|web> When is 5.8 coming out?
[15:53] <zgreg> the internal version number is already 5.8.0 :)
[19:00] <thomi> mhall119: pong
[19:01] <mhall119> thomi: hey, was it you that helped me get unity compiled and run locally?
[19:01] <mhall119> if so, do yu have a written tutorial for that I can put on unity.u.c?
[19:02] <thomi> mhall119: I don't think it was me, but I have a rough-and-ready blog post witten about it (although it'd need to be fixed if you're going to re-post it anywhere where people might actually read it)
[19:02] <mhall119> thomi: I can clean up/edit whatever it needs
[19:03] <thomi> mhall119: http://tech-foo.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/how-to-compile-unity-from-source.html
[19:03] <mhall119> I just don't remember all the steps
[19:03] <mhall119> ah, perfect, thanks
[19:03] <thomi> no worries
[19:03] <mhall119> thomi: I'll get everybody to review these docs before they're published
[19:04] <thomi> good ;)
[19:04] <thomi> I'm quite happy writing on my blog where no one reads it. :)
[19:04] <mhall119> well, I can change that
[19:29] <zgreg> apparently nux typically does 40 opengl calls and various small calculations just to draw a single texture quad onto the screen
[19:29] <zgreg> no wonder performance isn't that great...
[19:30] <thomi> zgreg: "apparently"?
[19:30] <zgreg> if I got everything
[19:30] <thomi> ok, you've measured this yourself?
[19:31] <zgreg> I've read the source code, and tracked everything down, starting from QRP_ASM_1Tex
[19:33] <zgreg> hmm the GLSL-based implementation is a little bit better, but not much
[19:33] <zgreg> that's not exactly helping either, typically slow machines need the ASM code path
[21:32] <bschaefer> thomi, ping
[21:32] <thomi> bschaefer: sup?
[21:33] <bschaefer> thomi, hey, so I need to write some new anthy autopilot test for a new commit key
[21:33] <bschaefer> thomi, and was wonder if I should just copy paste the one with Ctrl+J and replace it with Enter
[21:33] <thomi> bschaefer: does the old key still work?
[21:34] <bschaefer> yeah
[21:34] <thomi> bschaefer: then just extend the scenarios on the anthy test case
[21:34] <bschaefer> thomi its just that Enter is the "perfered" way to commit text for Japanese/anthy I guess
[21:35] <thomi> so for each input string there'll be a scenario for Ctrl+J and a scenario for Enter
[21:35] <bschaefer> alright
[21:36] <bschaefer> Well I think that is what I did, just made a different function and replaced Ctrl+J with Enter
[21:36] <thomi> bschaefer: you don't need to make a new function... just add a new scenario parameter
[21:36] <bschaefer> alright, was about to say that haha
[21:36] <thomi> so inside the one function we'll now do something like:
[21:36] <thomi> self.kb.press_and_release(self.commit_key)
[21:37] <thomi> and commit_key is a scenario parameter
[21:37] <bschaefer> thomi, ok!
[21:37] <bschaefer> thomi, also how was your fishing trip?
[21:37] <thomi> bschaefer: was good, ended up not fishing at all, but went luging, bungy jumping, and clay pidgeon shooting
[21:38] <thomi> good stress releif :)
[21:38] <bschaefer> thomi, awesome! I keep forgetting your in summer time. I finally saw the sun this week!
[21:38] <thomi> heh, well, technically we're in autumn now
[21:39] <bschaefer> thomi, yeah, that makes sense as we just hit spring :)
[21:39] <bschaefer> thomi, alright I should have some autopilot test for you to look at soon!
[21:40] <thomi> sweet!
[21:52] <bschaefer> thomi, https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/unity/ibus-anthy-autopilot/+merge/98933
[21:52] <bschaefer> when you get a chance, diff still updating
[21:53] <thomi> ok. running unity in valgrind at the moment
[21:53] <bschaefer> also there is new code in nux that allows for 'Enter' to work, not sure if Jenkins will use the right nux right away
[21:53] <thomi> so everything is sloooooow
[21:54] <bschaefer> thomi, haha no worries, I keep forgetting how awesome python is. im actually fairly new to it haha
[21:54] <bschaefer> for some reason I didn't think it was an associative array
[21:55] <thomi> heh
[21:55]  * bschaefer gets slightly excited over languages
[21:58] <mhall119> thumper: those bzr commit stats I was generating the other day?  I've incorporated them into http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/unity-stats/#commit_stats
[21:59] <thumper> nice
[21:59] <mhall119> it'll start showing something the next time there's a commit to one of the development focus branches
[21:59] <mhall119> it's grouping unity, unity-2d and nux
[22:00] <mhall119> I suppose I should add BAMF to the mix too
[22:01] <thomi> bschaefer: hmmm,
[22:02] <bschaefer> thomi, o noes, did I do something wrong again haha?
[22:09] <thomi> bschaefer: I found a much better way to do something.
[22:09] <thomi> mind if I hack your branch around?
[22:10] <bschaefer> thomi, nope, go ahead! Should have pushed it to ~unity-teamm
[22:10] <bschaefer> but the changes are small so go ahead :)
[22:10] <thomi> it turns out testscenarios provides a simple way to generate a dot-product of one or more parameters
[22:10] <thomi> so you can have every combination of param X and param Y
[22:10] <bschaefer> o nice
[22:11] <bschaefer> so we can use Enter on all of them as well as Ctrl+J?
[22:18] <thomi> exactly
[22:18] <thomi> ...but it's not available in the version of testscenarios in porecise :(
[22:19] <bschaefer> thomi, :(
[22:19] <thomi> I'll copy the code for now
[22:19] <thomi> it's pretty simple
[22:20] <bschaefer> thomi, yeah, I had to write something like that a while ago for school. permeations are fun haha
[22:26] <thomi> bschaefer: ok, this is looking a bit harder than I anticipted. I'll work something out and propose a new merge
[22:27] <thomi> probably this afternoon
[22:27] <thomi> this is something we need in a bunch of places, so it'll be good to get it in
[22:28] <bschaefer> thomi, awesome! Thanks :)
[22:31] <thomi> bschaefer: ok, as soon I wrote that I figured it out
[22:31] <thomi> the test currently launches apps though... I guess we need that nux branch
[22:31] <thumper> thomi: scenarios can be a python property
[22:31] <thumper> thomi: so it can generate the scenarios when called
[22:32] <thomi> thumper: yeah, but there's a better way :)
[22:32] <thumper> oh?
[22:32] <thomi> thumper: if you have two axis, generate a dot product of everything from axis 1 with everything from axis 2
[22:32] <thomi> We've been doing this manually so far, which requires a lot of finger work
[22:32] <bschaefer> thomi, double awesome :)
[22:33] <thomi> this way it looks really nice
[22:34] <bschaefer> thomi, that nux branch should be merged with nux
[22:34] <bschaefer> thomi, did that earlier this morning
[22:34] <thomi> ok, I guess I just don't have it locally then
[22:36] <bschaefer> thomi, also thats what Haskell does with list comprehension (the dot product)
[22:36] <bschaefer> thomi, not sure if you have dabbled there
[22:37] <thomi> bschaefer: thumper check it out: https://code.launchpad.net/~thomir/unity/ibus-anthy-autopilot/+merge/98939
[22:40] <bschaefer> thomi, nice!
[22:42] <bschaefer> thomi, do you know if jenkins will recompile nux with an abi change?
[22:42] <bschaefer> with out*
[22:43] <thomi> bschaefer: I don't understand
[22:43] <bschaefer> thomi, well if we merge this, and nux isn't recompiled while jenkins is running that test it will fail
[22:43] <thomi> bschaefer: ahh, yeah. That happens often
[22:43] <bschaefer> thomi, alright sweet :)
[22:44] <thomi> we see a little spike on the jenkins graph. I'm not sure we can do much about it at this stage
[22:44] <thomi> I gotta go to lunch. be back online later though
[22:44] <bschaefer> thomi, cool! Have a good lunch