[15:36] <zequence> Ah, still need to fix the lightdm theme :)
[15:40] <krytarik> zequence: Does that include dropping the duplicate LightDM config in there?
[15:44] <zequence> Which one are you referring to?
[15:44] <krytarik> The general one.
[15:46] <zequence> krytarik: You are referring to /usr/share/ubuntustudio/lightdm/lightm.donf?
[15:47] <zequence> Yes, I was looking at dropping any unneeded files
[15:47] <zequence> Though, if they aren't being used, it's not critical
[15:47] <zequence> Right now, all we need is for the theming to work. Nothing else
[15:49] <krytarik> Well, that one overrides the one in -default-settings currently.
[15:49] <krytarik> And it's outdated.
[15:50] <zequence> As said, I'm only worried about the theming right now
[15:50] <zequence> IF you know a bug of some kind, please report it, and fix it
[15:50] <zequence> Then I want to get back to doing other things. This is getting t
[15:50] <zequence> ..too time consuming for me right now
[16:23] <zequence> Wow, the computer didn't even boot now. Lovely
[16:45] <zequence> krytarik: Do you know where to set the default wallpaper for the ubiquity installer (when doing installatiion directly)?
[16:45] <zequence> I don't seem to remember where
[16:52] <madeinkobaia> zequence: I sent you my proposition for the 1604 default wallpaper
[16:53] <madeinkobaia> sakrecoer : I sent it to you too of course.
[16:57] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Hi. Taking a loog
[16:57] <zequence> krytarik: FOund it. It's in /bin/ubiquity-dm
[17:03] <zequence> madeinkobaia: I just uploaded mine and sakrecoers version a few moments ago. Your proposal does not seem like your best work, so I would suggest you to be more involved for the next cycles, specifically the next LTS, which is in two years
[17:04] <zequence> Both me and sakrecoer are quite fond of your work in the past
[17:04] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Your textlogo will be included in the plymouth theme of the next release
[17:04] <zequence> I merely replaced the old CoF and textlogo with new ones
[17:04] <zequence> Also, a spinning CoF this time
[17:05] <zequence> sakrecoer: We'll also need a new slideshow for the ubiquity installer, just remembered
[17:06] <zequence> sakrecoer: Would you be interested in doing that?
[17:16] <zequence> sakrecoer: If so, get the branch lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[17:16] <zequence> You just need to replace the images with new ones, and perhaps refine the text somehow. Nothing radical at this point
[17:16] <zequence> Well, at least the desktop image
[17:21] <zequence> Never mind, I'll do it, come to think of it
[17:21] <zequence> I start by adding a bug, since I can't upload it myself
[17:21] <madeinkobaia> zequence: Did you take this decision alone ?
[17:21] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Pretty much, yes
[17:21] <zequence> Well, the default wallpaper has been worked on for a couple of weeks by sakrecoer and myself, of course
[17:22] <madeinkobaia> zequence : It's not a thing to do
[17:22] <zequence> madeinkobaia: We are many weeks behind the actual schedule, so there is no time for anything else, sorry
[17:22] <zequence> As I said, please join us and be more active in the future
[17:23] <zequence> You have had two years for this one
[17:23] <zequence> ..to be blunt
[17:28] <madeinkobaia> zequence: I told you Monday, so today. You said to me, ok. Please don't try now to argue and talking about the past or anything else. I really don't appreciate how you manage things.
[17:30] <zequence> madeinkobaia: I've been extremely clear to you through out this whole episode.
[17:30] <zequence> Considering that you have not shown yourself much here for the past two years, I have been exremely forthcoming to you
[17:30] <madeinkobaia> zequence: Please.
[17:30] <zequence> No more
[17:31] <zequence> So, please, let me do some work now
[17:32] <zequence> I will be stepping down as project lead in a couple of weeks. From that moment on, you will need to talk with sakrecoer and other Art team members about the future
[17:33] <madeinkobaia> zequence: That's a good thing.
[17:35] <zequence> Yep, it will be big relief
[18:02] <zequence> What would really have been smart to do is add the software link to favorites
[18:23] <zequence> cub: Hello
[18:23] <cub> Hi zequence
[18:23] <cub> hectic last weeks?
[18:23] <zequence> cub: Quit so. Don't think we've ever been this late
[18:24] <cub> ouch..I feel bad for not having any time to pitch in
[18:24] <zequence> Wish I would have organized everything in good time
[18:24] <zequence> Much is the fault of us not having a new default wallpaper until very late
[18:25] <zequence> sakrecoer: and krytarik have been helping out quite a lot
[18:25] <cub> but that's only one piece? or does it affect more things?
[18:25] <cub> yeah, I kept track in the logs. Not all tech discussions but on a whole
[18:25] <zequence> Only now are we using a link for default wallpaper, which means in the future we won't need to change settings in five different packages when we change
[18:26] <cub> aha
[18:27] <cub> I tried to install on a virtualbox but no go. I blame the host (windows 7)
[18:28] <zequence> Final Freeze is setting in any moment now
[18:28] <zequence> But, there are still a few packages of ours that need to be uploaded
[18:28] <cub> ooh
[18:28] <zequence> So, maybe tomorrow we have our Release Candidate
[18:30] <cub> but is the wallpaper settled now?
[18:31] <zequence> Yep
[18:31] <cub> which one?
[18:31] <zequence> You can try out all the latest packages at ppa:ubuntustudio-dev/autobuild
[18:31] <zequence> Me and sakrecoer fixed one up
[18:32] <zequence> I didn't like any of the wallpapers from the competition. Ours is ok. madeinkobaia came in today with one suggestion, but I didn't feel it was up to par
[18:32] <zequence> Don't think he put much time into it
[18:33] <zequence> I'm sure if he had started early, it would have been different
[18:34] <cub> right, I saw some different versions of the one you and sakrecoer worked on but not final one
[18:35] <zequence> The final one has a shiny CoF in the middle
[18:35] <zequence> It's a little cosmic, I would say
[18:39] <zequence> cub: Fixing the old slideshow currently :)
[18:41] <cub> Will my screenshots survive? :D
[18:45] <zequence> cub: Think I redid some of those actually the last time, but I'm only changing the desktop and the USC image
[18:48] <zequence> Trying to remember how to do previewing
[18:51] <cub> I think I did the audio and video shots
[18:52] <cub> so they'll make it. yay
[19:09] <zequence> Bug 1569005
[19:10] <zequence> bug 1568981
[19:10] <zequence> ubuntu-release team subscribed to both
[19:10] <zequence> I've uploaded -default-settings, -menu, -look, -icon-theme and -lightdm-theme today
[19:10] <zequence> Waiting to be accepted
[19:12] <zequence> Changes in -look are mainly new wallpaper and new plymouth theme, but there are some fixes there too
[19:13] <zequence> New CoF icon. Only a minor difference in the icon theme. Should look ok.
[19:14] <zequence> In the future, changing wallpaper can be done in ubuntustudio-look. But, infortunately, it needs to be a png :D
[19:16] <zequence> Thanks, krytarik and sakrecoer for all your work these last days
[19:16] <zequence> Ross and OvenWerks have instead worked on fixing bugs, specifically the qjackctl bug
[19:17] <zequence> ..aside from theming and package fixing, I mean
[19:18] <zequence> (instead of theming and package fixing)
[19:18] <zequence> Anyway
[19:19] <zequence> coffee time
[20:11] <sakrecoer> \o/
[20:12] <sakrecoer> is there another test-session, like for the betas?
[20:12] <sakrecoer> can't wait to test the isht out of it anyways! :)
[20:15] <sakrecoer> and yeah, thank you too zequence! ross! OvenWerks! krytarik!
[20:16] <sakrecoer> anyways, its maybe too early to celebrate, but a lil highfive here abd there can't hurt :)
[20:16] <flocculant> sakrecoer: if you mean a milestone - rc is this week - more or less rolling constant testing till release day
[20:17] <sakrecoer> flocculant: excellent! thank you too :)
[20:21] <flocculant> welcome :)
[20:30] <zequence> All of our packages were accepted now, except -lightdm-theme
[20:33] <zequence> So, those should be included with the next ISO build
[20:36] <sakrecoer> :)
[20:37] <zequence> apparently the .bzr dir is included when building the lightdm theme
[20:37] <zequence> Why, I do not know
[20:39] <zequence> bzr-buildpackage did a better job than dpkg-buildpackge in this case
[20:42] <zequence> In many ways I'm but a packaging noob
[20:43] <zequence> Might be smarter to use the bzr building tools for our stuff. I should look more into that
[20:44] <zequence> (bzr-buildpackage uses the debian building tools, so it just does more thant dpkg-buildpackage)
[21:21] <zequence> -lightdm-theme is in as well
[21:21] <zequence> Now just the ubiquity stuff, and if there are no bugs (of course there are), that will be the last uploads for this cycle


[11:22] <MichealH> Hey all.
[11:22] <MichealH> How do I invite ubottu to my channel?
[14:20] <DJones> Is there a guideline/policy on suggesting people move a conversation to -offtopic? If somebody is obviously offtopic in a support channel and give the impression that they'd be offtopic in -offtopic, I don't like the idea of suggesting they move there, in cases like that, would it be better just to ask them to stop the conversation without using the !offtopic factoid which could just give them the impression they can carry on with conversat
[14:20] <bazhang> something like !illegal , or !piracy  you mean?
[14:22] <DJones> Not necessarily of that nature, possibly something like borderline trolling
[14:22] <bazhang> in #ubuntu currently?
[14:23] <DJones> no, nothing at the moment, it was just out of curiosity for future reference
[14:23] <bazhang> !trolling
[14:23] <bazhang> like that?
[14:23] <DJones> I just don't want to be responsible for suggesting somebody move to offtopic when it probably wouldn't be appropriate there
[14:24] <bazhang> true
[14:24] <DJones> I'm not thinking of anything specific
[14:24] <tsimpson> there is !stop, but it seems like it was written for -ot
[14:25] <DJones> I guess what I was trying to get to was an !offtopic type pointer that doesn't give the #ubuntu-offtopic channel link
[14:26] <tsimpson> !stop
[14:27] <tsimpson> except that !offtopic in #ubuntu does not describe what is off-topic
[14:27] <DJones> Every situation would be different, so probably better just dealt with as a message rather than using a factoid and trying not to be too blunt
[14:27] <bazhang> never used that in a support channel though


[07:09] <imgx64> Is it possible to run Unity in a VirtualBox VM? I enabled 3D acceleration and installed the guest additions, but I can only run Unity2D.
[12:20] <civija> hi guys!
[12:20] <civija> I have a question about 12.04 alpha 1
[12:20] <civija> I installed it to my hp 6735b laptop for testing
[12:21] <civija> and noticed that there is no hibernate option in shutdown menu anymore ...
[12:21] <civija> it was there in 11.10
[12:21] <civija> is this disabled on purpose or something else?
[12:39] <Daekdroom> civija, hibernate is known for breaking stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if it were on purpose
[12:42] <civija> Daekdroom: yes I know that
[12:42] <civija> I'm searching for some information about this
[12:43] <civija> only thing that I have found is this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-desktop-privileges/+bug/812394
[12:52] <civija> yes, this is it
[12:53] <civija> it is disabled on purpose
[12:53] <civija> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/p/policykit-desktop-privileges/policykit-desktop-privileges_0.10/changelog
[12:53] <civija> it can be enabled in /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla
[12:54] <civija> in case anyone else is wondering about this :)
[13:12] <Daekdroom> The comments were interesting.
[13:26] <Rovanion> I'm currently having multiple packages being held back at my system. Is this supposed to be so or should I try to break this somehow?
[13:27] <Stanley00> Rovanion: it is normal when you using alpha testing version
[13:27] <Rovanion> Stanley00: Okey, so I should not be bothered by it?
[13:27] <Stanley00> Rovanion: you can get through it via "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[13:30] <Rovanion> Stanley00: But these packages that are currently held back, they will be upgraded once someone controlling testing decides that it's time?
[13:30] <Stanley00> Rovanion: I think so, it will be installed when its time come
[13:32] <Daekdroom> Rovanion, it's not about someone controlling. They're being held back by your own computer because of dependency issues.
[13:32] <Daekdroom> Using 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' might break your system, but you'll have to use it sometimes to keep it up to date (atleast during the development)
[13:39] <Ian_Corne> it's needed to pull in new packages which are dependencies of updated packages, pull in kernel updates,...
[14:47] <iceroot> Rovanion: to have the latest updates always use dist-upgrade and not only upgrade
[16:59] <pmatulis> is LVM an option in the installer these days?
[17:53] <Rovanion> Running wine 1.2 I'm having issues executing an application on a ntfs partition mounted with fmask=000. I get the complaint that it isn't marked as executable even though it is, due to mount option.
[18:12] <Rovanion> Well never mind that I guess. At first I had the same issue when mounting with gvfs, but then when I switched back, the issue disappeared.
[18:14] <Rovanion> Just to clearify. Mounted as usual with gvfs - had issue. Mounted as root via fstab - had issue. Mounted with gvfs - issue gone.
[18:42] <johnjohn101> will ubuntu tv be a seperate product?
[18:51] <jtaylor> I wonder if canonical can stomach the sure to come lawsuits from apple
[18:57] <Rovanion> jtaylor: Patents on selling movies via a computer based program?
[18:58] <jtaylor> they ought to have something
[19:01] <Rovanion> jtaylor: Most likely a ton of generic ones with descriptions such as "Providing entertainment services trough a digital medium" and "Allowing purchases via a pointer based interface". But since it's UK based, how much of the US patent bull spills over via international treaties?
[19:01] <Rovanion> "it" referring to Canonical.
[19:02] <jtaylor> well the managed to stop the galaxy tab in germany because its square
[19:03] <jtaylor> *rectangular
[19:05] <Rovanion> jtaylor: But was that patents and not design copyright? But you're absolutely right. The forecast looks dark no matter which it was.
[19:06] <jtaylor> that was design
[20:44] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[21:02] <chmac> I'm reading that alt-tab is supposed to switch only between windows on the current workspace in precise.
[21:02] <chmac> My default alt-tab behaviour when installed was to switch between all running applications, across all workspaces.
[21:03] <chmac> Is this something that'll make it into a later release before precise goes final?
[21:07] <FernandoMiguel> chmac: install compiz-setting-manager and set it there
[21:07] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: Set what there?
[21:07] <FernandoMiguel> if alt tab should switch all or just one workspace
[21:08] <johnjohn101> do you think daily is good enough now to run in virtual machine (vmware) or should i wait 3 more weeks?
[21:08] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: it's on bare metal for me
[21:08] <FernandoMiguel> since day one!
[21:08] <FernandoMiguel> only thing not working is ia32-libs
[21:09] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: The only related option I see in Unity is to prioritise windows on this workspace. Could you be more specific as to which option I should set?
[21:10] <johnjohn101> fernando, what does ia32-libs do?
[21:10] <FernandoMiguel> chmac: Static App switcher
[21:10] <chmac> johnjohn101: I installed precise on my primary laptop a few days ago. It's been 90% usable.
[21:11] <chmac> johnjohn101: I'm really struggling with some aspects of unity, but I'd guess they're the same as 11.10 so if you're there, you probably know what's coming.
[21:11] <FernandoMiguel> there are shortcuts for both
[21:11] <jo-erlend> lately, I've had some issues with video playback. The audio is fine, but sometimes, the video stops for a while and then runs in high speed. Any idea what may be the cause of this?
[21:11] <johnjohn101> i don't mind unity. would like a couple of things fixed but it's fine.
[21:11] <FernandoMiguel> jo-erlend: fine here
[21:12] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: it supports 32bits apps on 64bits. but are migrating to multiarch
[21:12] <chmac> jo-erlend: Video has been working great for me, I'm pleased to say, I was worried by the absence of medibuntu, but most of the oneiric stuff worked just fine.
[21:12] <johnjohn101> will there be a 32 bit version?
[21:12] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: Ok, gotcha. I did switch to the static switcher, although there's no way to disable the unity switcher as far as I can see, only remove its keyboard shortcuts.
[21:13] <jo-erlend> FernandoMiguel, chmac: only one of my computer has this problem. I didn't ask if I was the only one in the world. I asked if anyone has any ideas what the cause might be.
[21:14] <chmac> jo-erlend: Can you be more specific with your problem description? Which media player? In all of them, only one?
[21:14] <FernandoMiguel> jo-erlend: what gpu?
[21:14] <chmac> brb
[21:15] <jo-erlend> HD5850, using the radeon driver, and using the default video player, which is Totem.
[21:17] <johnjohn101> i may wait until feb 2
[21:39] <chmac> Every time I log out / in, I have to re-enter the wifi passwords for the 2 networks here, both of which were saved before installing precise. Any suggestions on how to debug?
[21:41] <chmac> While I'm at it, I have no apps at all in my launcher. Known bug? Freak accident? Any suggestions?
[21:47] <FernandoMiguel> chmac: does it work on a clean or guest profile?
[21:47] <FernandoMiguel> remove those wifi networks and readd ?
[21:47] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: Excellent idea, let me check...
[21:48] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: wait for what? for someone else to report its broken?
[21:48] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: I just had a play with seahorse and I think that issue was fixed when I set the login keyring as default, I'll find out next login I suppose. :-)
[21:48] <johnjohn101> fernando, i usually find bugs someone else reported. nothing new...
[21:49] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: Genius, it does work in a guest profile, all the apps are listed in the launcher...
[21:50] <chmac> I wonder what's going on in my home directory that's messing with the launcher...
[21:51] <chmac> brb
[21:51] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: sometimes. not always. assuming others will file them, I never get them fixed
[21:59] <johnjohn101> fernando, installing now...
[22:00] <chmac> Resolved my keyring issues. :-)
[22:00] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: please use TAB to auto complete my nick
[22:00] <FernandoMiguel> chmac: yay
[22:03] <chmac> Before installing precise, I had a setting enabled where if I moved my mouse onto a window, that window got the focus, but didn't come to the front.
[22:03] <chmac> It continued to work when I installed precise, but I think after experimenting with unity2d/classic, it's gone.
[22:04] <chmac> Anyone know how I put it back by any chance? It's a long shot... :-)
[22:05] <johnjohn101> FernandoMiguel: thanks, I never knew that was available. is that pidgin only?
[22:06] <chmac> johnjohn101: Standard across most irc clients, and also works on the command line (the terminal)
[22:06] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: most IRC clients
[22:06] <FernandoMiguel> chmac: again, compiz settings
[22:06] <johnjohn101> nice feature
[22:06] <FernandoMiguel> focus mouse over
[22:08] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: Awesome. ccsm > General Options > Click To Focus, uncheck. :-)
[22:08] <FernandoMiguel> :D
[22:08] <chmac> Took me a while to get my head around, but once I did, it's really incredible, I recommend trying it out.
[22:08] <FernandoMiguel> chmac: protip: make backups of those settings. Compiz tends to explode
[22:08] <chmac> For example, being able to type in a web page with another window in front to read from, deeply awesome!
[22:08] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: Ok, will look into that, thanks.
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel> yw
[22:14] <chmac> How do you folks keep track of workspaces? I've reverted to running gnome-panel to give me the bottom panel only (apps / workspaces), but is there a better "unity" way?
[22:15] <FernandoMiguel> Expose ?
[22:17] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: super-s, zoom to all workspaces visible?
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> I have super+e
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> but I think I changed mine from default
[22:18] <chmac> I have 5 workspaces, I suppose with a 3x2 grid, expose would work better.
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> also super+w for all app in this workspace
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> I have 2x2
[22:19] <chmac> FernandoMiguel: Aha, super-w shows all apps on all workspaces by default I believe.
[22:19] <chmac> alt-shift-up is the default for this workspace, but I'll remap to super-w, makes more sense.
[22:19] <FernandoMiguel> yeah
[22:19] <chmac> I have real difficulty tracking what's going on without the bottom panel showing my current apps.
[22:20] <chmac> I feel so much more grounded having it back, but I decided I'm going to make a real effort to follow the way of unification, so I'm trying to find a more unified alternative... :-)
[22:25] <FernandoMiguel> chmac: me toooooooooooooooo
[22:34] <chmac> Phew, a few compiz crashes later, and I think unity is mostly behaving as I would like... :-)
[22:35] <FernandoMiguel> :D
[22:38] <chmac> Hopefully the last question of the night, how do I change the number of workspaces?
[22:39] <FernandoMiguel> compiz, yet again
[22:39] <FernandoMiguel> on the top block
[22:40] <FernandoMiguel> general
[22:42] <johnjohn101> why is compiz mngr not installed by default?
[22:42] <johnjohn101> seems like is should be if you want to change some unity stuff.
[22:45] <chmac> Phew, another reboot later, I'll put the number of "virtual desktops" back to 1, and bid you kind folks goodnight. :-)
[22:45] <chmac> Thanks a lot FernandoMiguel, you were a great help. A world apart from asking for help earlier today on #postfix. :-)
[22:46] <FernandoMiguel> AH
[22:46]  * FernandoMiguel remembers the time spent on #postfix
[22:46] <FernandoMiguel> oh boy #pidgin :S
[22:46] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: 90% of the users will never use it
[22:46] <FernandoMiguel> and changing anything there can result in a VERY mess up UX
[22:47] <johnjohn101> i want to know when snow will be ported up the the newer versions of compiz
[22:48] <FernandoMiguel> AHHAAHAH
[22:48] <FernandoMiguel> let me know when water and fire are :P
[23:02] <johnjohn101> FernandoMiguel: almost done with install that will make six ubuntu distros i have on computer
[23:02] <FernandoMiguel> AH
[23:02] <FernandoMiguel> for me, 3 more months
[23:05] <johnjohn101> seems like not that long ago that koala came out
[23:05] <FernandoMiguel> a few years
[23:07] <johnjohn101> 2.25 years ago.
[23:07] <FernandoMiguel> add 4 months
[23:07] <FernandoMiguel> I start on day 1
[23:13] <johnjohn101> still older versions of some apps. i guess subject to change with newer builds..  node.js, couchdb are two that I see


[14:30] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +604 cases, +6 deaths, +18890 tests (3.2% positive) since a day ago


[20:51] <arraybolt3> Hey, I'm doing a lot of stuff in the support channels, helping users with problems, and I've noticed that I'm sometimes sending several messages in a row in order to walk a user through a process. On my 1080p screen, this looks fine, but it might have messed someone up if they were using an 80x25 console. Is my behavior considered flooding, and if so, how can I guide a user through a series of steps without doing that? (You can see
[20:51] <arraybolt3> a recent example of my walk-throughs on the kubuntu channel - I did 8 messages in ~4 minutes to guide someone through the use of "dd".)
[21:55] <tomreyn> arraybolt3: hi! if your behaviour was considered flooding, a bot would mute you for a bit - but this does not seem to have happened, yet, and should not happen at this rate.
[21:56] <arraybolt3> @tomreyn Thank you, that's what I needed to know!
[21:56] <tomreyn> muting happens when you send more than a certain number of emssages to the channel per minute. you can prevent it even better by sending more than one sentence per line.
[21:57] <tomreyn> making your messages well readable on whatever output there is is something the receiving client will need to handle - i would not care so much about this, unless it is known that they have special needs.
[21:57] <tomreyn> arraybolt3: you're welcome
[21:58] <arraybolt3> @tomreyn Great. Thank you for your help and advice!
[21:58] <tomreyn> (btw. no need for @ for addressing people on IRC)
[21:59] <arraybolt3> tomreyn: True, I just do that for the sake of Telegram users (though I guess I can tell you're not on Telegram.) If I always do it, I won't accidentally miss someone I figure. If it's annoying, I can stop.
[21:59] <tomreyn> that's unless they're actually on telegram behind IrcSomebot
[21:59] <tomreyn> not annoying, just wanted to make sure you are aware ;)
[22:00] <tomreyn> it's great that you're helping out.
[22:00] <arraybolt3> Thanks. I'm really enjoying being a part of the community that makes all my computers work. :-)
[22:01] <tomreyn> :)
[22:01] <tomreyn> arraybolt3: note that i was telling you this as someone who does not actually manage #kubuntu ;) - so don't mistake it as an 'official' answer
[22:03] <arraybolt3> @tomreyn Oh OK. I should be good as long as I don't copy-paste a million-line-long error message, right?
[22:04] <tomreyn> that's what pastebin's are for
[22:04] <tomreyn> don't paste more than one line at a time.
[22:04] <arraybolt3> Yeah. I just want to not flood by typing messages (I type 80-90+ WPM).


[11:36] <bac> ahoy my yellow friends
[11:59] <gary_poster> hiya
[12:01] <gary_poster> nice trip report frankban.  about concurrent.futures you said "Guido doesn't like them...".  Did you mean concurrent.futures or futures.as_completed?
[12:05] <frankban> gary_poster: I mean callbacks
[12:05] <gary_poster> frankban, oh!  I see
[12:05] <gary_poster> interesting.  Wil look at that more closely later
[12:09] <gary_poster> bac benji frankban gmb, call in 1
[12:09] <gary_poster> @ http://tinyurl.com/yellowsquad
[12:11] <gary_poster> gmb you on the way?
[13:28] <gary_poster> benji, re tarmac automation: got a lot of pushback about bootstrap not sending the key properly (I didn't help anything by doing a classic "gary gets off on the wrong foot by calling a tomato a potato" mistake, where in this case it was calling bootstrap deploy).  However, hazmat suggested that we could set $HOME
[13:28] <gary_poster> and then generate .juju and .ssh
[13:29] <gary_poster> not a horrible idea
[13:29] <benji> interesting
[13:29] <benji> a hack, but still interesting
[13:31] <gary_poster> benji, meanwhile, on #juju other people are having interesting ideas
[13:32]  * benji looks
[13:32] <gary_poster> by from non-direct-juju people :-)
[13:33] <gary_poster> frankban, http://tinyurl.com/yellowsquad ?
[13:33] <frankban> gary_poster: joining
[13:37] <benji> The best solution for us to implement right away seems to be either "nothing" (i.e., keep it the way it works now with having to tweak your ssh config) or hacking $HOME for the duration of the test run
[13:38] <benji> hmm, but hacking $HOME may well not work if the user has some ssh config that needs to apply to all machines (like always bouncing the connection through a gatekeeper machine)
[13:39] <benji> I guess we could copy their .ssh/config to the new $HOME location and then append our shut-up-AWS config to the end, but it is starting to get really hacky
[14:23] <gary_poster> benji, agree, thought as much
[14:23] <gary_poster> gmb, call in 7?
[14:23] <gmb> gary_poster, Yep.
[14:23] <gary_poster> cool
[14:29] <gmb> gary_poster, Yellow hangout or elsewhere?
[14:30] <gary_poster> gmb, yellow hangout
[14:30] <gmb> kk
[14:45] <bac> gary_poster: create_lxc, when in install_lxc, had an --install-subunit option.  it looks like it got dropped in the move to initlxc.py.  that should be added back, no?
[14:46] <gary_poster> yes good idea: init-lxc should have that option
[15:08] <gmb> gary_poster, Lost you
[15:50] <bac> gary_poster: i'm making progress but might benefit from pairing if you're available after lunch
[15:52] <gary_poster> bac, ok, sounds good
[15:56] <bac> gary_poster: ok, i'm grabbing some food now
[15:56] <gary_poster> cool bac, will do the same in a few
[16:46] <frankban> gary_poster: what do you think about adding a check for repository, branch and checkout directories existence in init-repo? Exiting with an error if they already exist?
[16:59] <gary_poster> frankban, +1
[16:59] <frankban> cool
[16:59] <gary_poster> frankban, we will need to think pretty caefully about the developer story
[16:59] <gary_poster> frankban, so far it's been fairly neglected other than the big picture
[17:00] <gary_poster> that's the kind of change will be good for developers, I think
[17:03] <frankban> gary_poster: I agree. I am also inclined to rename settings.CHECKOUT_DIR to settings.LP_REPOSITORY_DIR. CHECKOUT_DIR seems confusing...
[17:05] <gary_poster> frankban, a lot of the names have been confusing since the refactoring.  I thought we fixed that one though--isn't that the name of the default checkout directory, rather than the path to the default repository
[17:05] <gary_poster> ?
[17:06] <frankban> gary_poster: in init-repo CHECKOUT_DIR is the default for --repository, and LP_CHECKOUT_NAME is the default for --checkout-name
[17:06] <gary_poster> frankban, heh, ok, yeah you are right :-)
[17:08] <benji> gary_poster: I managed to get the "originals" backup directory working, but I think we should discuss the security implications
[17:08] <gary_poster> great, and, uh-oh :-)
[17:09] <benji> :)
[17:10] <gary_poster> benji, I'll ping in just a few more
[17:10] <benji> k
[17:36] <gary_poster> benji, yellowsquad when you are ready
[18:47] <benji> gary_poster: I'm coming back
[19:28] <bac> gary_poster: ready at 3:30?
[19:28] <gary_poster> bac, yes
[19:47] <bac> benji: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1088608/  <- tb traceback
[19:48] <benji> bac: is this on a machine you've never used tb on before?
[19:48] <bac> benji: yes
[19:48] <bac> gary_poster: trying to get plugin installed
[19:48] <gary_poster> :-) k
[19:49] <bac> gah
[19:50] <benji> bac: hmm, I may not have the dependencies or PPA set up right then, it sounds like you need my patched version of python-vte (or whatever the package name is)
[19:50] <benji> bac: try sudo apt-get install python-vte
[20:43] <bac> gary_poster: you there?
[20:43] <gary_poster> bac, yes
[20:43] <gary_poster> bac, I'm here now
[21:14] <benji> bac: did you get tb happy?
[21:14] <bac> benji: yes,thanks.  sorry i didn't give you feedback
[21:15] <benji> bac: was it my suggestion that fixed it?  if so, I need to figure out why that wasn't automatically installed when you apt-get installed termbeamer
[21:17] <bac> yes, installing python-vte made it work
[21:18] <bac> benji: ^
[21:19] <bac> benji: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1088767/
[21:19] <bac> what are those 0s and nulls?