[12:02] <bddebian> Ack, bpftopcf: command not found??
[12:07] <phanatic> raphink: ping
[12:07] <raphink> pong phanatic
[12:07] <phanatic> raphink: do you have a little time? can i msg you?
[12:07] <raphink> sure msg me
[02:13] <lifeless> morning y'all
[02:15] <tseng> hi lifeless, congrats on 0.8
[02:16] <lifeless> danke
[02:18] <bddebian> Hi lifeless, tseng
[02:18] <tseng> hi
[04:25] <kbrooks> bbl
[06:10] <Hobbsee> hi everyone
[06:46] <Yagisan> G'day all
[06:49] <Yagisan> anyone with an amd64 box and a few minutes to spare ?
[06:50] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Good morning!!!
[06:51] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: G'day. What's up ?
[06:51] <StevenK> steven@liquified:~% uname -m
[06:51] <StevenK> x86_64
[06:51] <StevenK> Yagisan: ^
[06:51] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: Got my xcircuit status changed to Fix commited.. :) Thanks to bddebian
[06:51] <Yagisan> StevenK: could you confirm Bug #44100 for me. Any CJK language will do.
[06:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44100 in openoffice.org "openoffice.org in dapper lacks canadian english spellcheck" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44100
[06:52] <Yagisan> crap wrong number
[06:52] <Yagisan> Bug #44626
[06:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44626 in openoffice.org "Can't Input Japanese Text" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44626
[06:52] <Yagisan> tuxmaniac: good to hear
[06:53] <StevenK> Yagisan: You'll need to talk me through it, and my Dapper is a chroot.
[06:53] <StevenK> My laptop is dapper, but it's i386
[06:55] <StevenK> Whee. This might hurt. Installing Japanese language support along with openoffice is likely to take a while.
[06:56] <Yagisan> StevenK: hmm. if a chroot this might be difficult
[06:56] <Yagisan> StevenK: I change sessions with gdm
[06:57] <Yagisan> StevenK: perhaps it's best to wait for someone with a full dapper amd64 install
[06:59] <Yagisan> StevenK: basically it is pick japanese session, load OO.o, try to type, and notice you only get english. followed by smack head into table.
[07:01] <Yagisan> StevenK: The heisenbug I was tracking down yesterday turned out to be a schroedinbug instead. It should never have worked at all.
[07:22] <StevenK> Yagisan: And installing ubuntu-desktop in my building chroot might hurt.
[07:26] <Kyral> Actually.... Hobbsee how do you know I'm not a bot :P We have never actually met or spoken :P
[07:26] <Yagisan> StevenK: quite possible it may do more then hurt
[07:26] <Hobbsee> Kyral: i hear it on good authority, by people who know you :P
[07:26] <Kyral> lol
[07:26] <Kyral> you mean my GPG Key :P
[07:27] <Hobbsee> Kyral: no, you :P - at LCA and wherever else...
[07:27] <Hobbsee> er, no, whichever one i mean
[07:27] <Kyral> UBZ?
[07:27] <Hobbsee> UDU & UBZ
[07:27] <Hobbsee> that's it
[07:27] <Kyral> I wasn't at UDU
[07:27] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:27] <Kyral> UBZ yes
[07:27] <Hobbsee> UBZ then :P'
[07:27] <Kyral> And I have the pictures to prove it :P
[07:28] <Hobbsee> grr - my brain's not supposed to work, after going to bed after 2 am 2 nights ina a row!
[07:28] <Kyral> lol
[07:28] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: after a week, you'll get used to it
[07:28] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:29] <Yagisan> alternatively have kids. you get used to just 1 hour a day
[07:29] <Kyral> lol
[07:29] <Kyral> I think Hobbsee is a little young for that :P
[07:29] <Hobbsee> eek..no thanks!
[07:30] <Kyral> Toldja
[07:30] <Yagisan> shame
[07:30] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: how old did you think i am, anyway???
[07:30] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: about my age ~24
[07:30] <Kyral> 17
[07:30] <Kyral> :P
[07:30] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: dream on, hehe :D
[07:30] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: your older !?!
[07:30] <Kyral> Am I right?
[07:31] <Hobbsee> nope
[07:31] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:31] <Kyral> wait what is that a nope to
[07:31] <Kyral> ....
[07:31] <Kyral> Hobbsee: I know that isn't true
[07:31] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:31] <Kyral> I know you are younger than me
[07:31] <Kyral> <<== 20
[07:31] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: what year of uni are you ?
[07:31] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: 1st
[07:32] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: have a year off after year 12 ?
[07:32] <Hobbsee> nope
[07:32] <Kyral> 18?
[07:32] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: you'd be between 18 & 21 then
[07:32] <Hobbsee> turning 18 in july...
[07:32] <Kyral> see I was right
[07:32] <Kyral> 17 :P
[07:33] <Kyral> lol
[07:33] <Kyral> FORGERY!!  Did he jump on you today too :)
[07:39] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: he's here, i was talking to him earlier.  i dont remember if he jumped on me
[07:40] <Kyral> Hobbsee: ?
[07:40] <Yagisan> is there any fundamental difference between vsprintf and vsnprintf that would cause the first to work, yet the second to only print 7 chars ?
[07:40] <Hobbsee> Kyral: yeah
[07:41] <Hobbsee> i thikn so
[07:41] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:41] <Kyral> bad no? :P
[07:41] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[07:41] <Kyral> I think the caption I put is "Me, being an idiot" or somesuch :P
[07:41] <Hobbsee> oh yes, that one...
[07:41] <Kyral> lol
[07:41] <Hobbsee> s/on/in
[07:41] <Kyral> its ice
[07:42] <Kyral> Thats one massive canal that freezes over every winter
[07:42] <Kyral> I am happy to say I only beefed it twice
[07:43] <Kyral> <== Loves ice skating
[07:44] <Kyral> ..ouch
[07:44] <Kyral> I <3 Snow
[07:44] <`6og> never seen snow o_0
[07:44] <Kyral> Yah I beefed it when I ran into snow on the ice
[07:44] <imbrandon> never seen snow ?!? jez
[07:44] <Yagisan> too warm here
[07:44] <imbrandon> heh, where is here?
[07:45] <Kyral> Aussie I thought?
[07:45] <Yagisan> Sydney
[07:45] <Kyral> wait
[07:45] <imbrandon> cool
[07:45] <Kyral> lol
[07:45] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[07:45] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[07:45] <Kyral> Hobbsee: you should have come to UBZ :P
[07:45] <`6og> Yagisan: lame excuse
[07:45] <Hobbsee> Kyral: i have no passport
[07:45] <Kyral> oh wait it wasn't snowing then....
[07:45] <`6og> your a few hours drive from the snow feilds
[07:45] <Kyral> Hobbsee: I have one!!
[07:45] <Yagisan> `6og: sure, buy me a car
[07:45] <Kyral> I'll come visit and bring snow lol
[07:45] <imbrandon> i found out what that bug is kinda, well atleaste how to reporduce it now just to figure it out ( atleaste enough to report it on launchpad )
[07:45] <Hobbsee> Kyral: sure, but they wont let me pass on your picture :P
[07:45] <`6og> `6og: sure. i'll drop it off
[07:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:46] <Laser_away> yikes, that's sad. I've never seen a year without seeing snow at least 4 months out of the year
[07:46] <Kyral> StevenK: you poor depraved soul
[07:46] <StevenK> Hail the size of golf balls, I have though.
[07:46] <Kyral> Laser_away: Amen to that!
[07:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:47] <Kyral> LJ where are you again?
[07:47] <Laser_away> currently Reno, NV
[07:47] <Laser_away> but I grew up in Montana
[07:47] <Kyral> Casinos!!
[07:47] <Kyral> I'm sorry
[07:47] <Laser_away> yes, lots of them
[07:47] <Laser_away> I never go though
[07:47] <Kyral> Montana == Nowhere USA :P
[07:48] <Laser_away> Kyral: yep, and I miss it a lot
[07:49] <Laser_away> I grew up and go my BA in a town of 4,000
[07:49] <Kyral> ouch
[07:49] <Kyral> well, Potsdam is smaller....
[07:49] <Kyral> Potsdam, NY :P
[07:50] <Laser_away> 9,000 in a county the size of Rhode Island
[07:50] <Kyral> Whoa, they got that many people in that tiny spot?
[07:51] <Kyral> I remember driving through RI once
[07:51] <Yagisan> `6og: so, when are you dropping that car off?
[07:51] <Kyral> "Welcome to Rhode Island"
[07:51] <Kyral> minute later
[07:51] <Kyral> "Now Leaving Rhode Island"
[07:52] <Laser_away> `6og: sorry, 9,000 people in ~600 square miles
[07:52] <Laser_away> but I'm guessing square miles isn't going to help much either ;-)
[07:53] <Laser_away> I haven't been into the casinos here more then 5 times in the 4 years I've lived here
[07:54] <Laser_away> the only reason I would ever go it for a buffet :-)
[07:54] <`6og> Laser_away: fraid not ;)
[07:55] <Kyral> I went in
[07:55] <Kyral> played craps
[07:55] <Kyral> and won 160
[07:55] <Kyral> dollars
[07:55] <Hobbsee> nice!
[07:55] <Hobbsee> too much chance for casino stuff...
[07:55] <Laser_away> yep, that is why it is so addictive
[07:55] <Hobbsee> even card games
[07:55] <Yagisan> Kyral: yeah, and how much did you lose
[07:55] <Kyral> Yagisan: that was NET
[07:55] <Laser_away> we have gambling addiction treatment programs here
[07:55] <tuxmaniac> Yagisan: guess 320 $
[07:55] <Hobbsee> and yes, i knwo that craps isnt a card game :P
[07:56] <Kyral> Yagisan: as in how much I won minus loss
[07:56] <Laser_away> we bought our house from a lady who was $70,000 in debt because of gambeling
[07:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:57] <Laser_away> I see people pushing shopping carts downt he streat because they gambled their cars away
[07:57] <Laser_away> not pretty
[07:59] <Kyral> okay
[07:59] <Kyral> 02:00
[07:59] <Kyral> BEDTIME!
[08:00] <Laser_away> yep, cya Kyral
[08:00] <Hobbsee> night Kyral
[08:00] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:00] <Hobbsee> 2am is time to start hacking :P
[08:00] <Kyral> You like teh away?
[08:00] <Kyral> Hobbsee: not when you need to be up at 08:00
[08:00] <Kyral> and coherent
[08:00] <`6og> hehe. night Kyral
[08:01] <Hobbsee> sure it is.  see this mroning.
[08:01] <`6og> Hobbsee: youth of today :P
[08:01] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:01] <Kyral> I need 6 hours of sleep or else my already hard to keep up with speech pattern is even harder to understand :P
[08:02] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee wanna help me reporduce this bug and possibly track it down ( wanna make sure its just not me but i dont think so becouse i have tried it on 2 diffrent machines here at home )
[08:02] <Laser_away> man, I used to be able to do all nighters in college, but since I got married I just can't do it anymore. To much to do during the day
[08:02] <Kyral> anyway
[08:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what bug?
[08:02] <Kyral> cat Kyral >> /dev/bed
[08:02] <Kyral> for REAL!
[08:02] <`6og> hehe
[08:02] <`6og> lol Laser_away
[08:03] <imbrandon> heh i dunno what to call it but if you install ( dont even have to use it ) smbfs , hald take a LONG time to start when booting ( like 2 or 3 minutes )
[08:03] <imbrandon> uninstall smbfs everything returns to normal
[08:03] <Hobbsee> ack...i dont want to kill my system by trying that :P
[08:03] <`6og> imbrandon: sure it's hald lagging?
[08:03] <imbrandon> i've got it to do it here at the house 3 times, wannna see if soneone else gets the same resule
[08:04] <imbrandon> `6og: well thats the message on the startup, is "hald starting up ......." eventualy it will but takes forever
[08:04] <imbrandon> result*
[08:05] <`6og> strange.
[08:05] <imbrandon> btw its on uptodate dapper ( breezy seems unaffected )
[08:05] <imbrandon> if that wasent obvious
[08:05] <imbrandon> heh
[08:06] <imbrandon> i thought it was a problem with the hal package at first so i did a clean install and updated everyting BUT hal and booted same thing, so i went ahead and updated hal and then removed smbfs ( thats the only thing that was installed other than default kubuntu )
[08:07] <imbrandon> and booted smooth
[08:07] <`6og> correct me if i'm wrong - hal=hardware abstraction layer?
[08:08] <imbrandon> so i did the same thing ( installed smbfs , rebooted , uninstalled smbfs ) to make sure that was it, i'm not even sure what logs to look at to give a core dev an idea of whats going on
[08:08] <imbrandon> `6og: yes
[08:08] <`6og> imbrandon: ask in -devel, where to look for stuff
[08:08] <imbrandon> dont know what hal has to do with it but thats where it freezes on boot every time , when starting hal
[08:08] <`6og> niether do i, that's why i checked ;)
[08:08] <imbrandon> k
[08:09] <imbrandon> will do ( hopefully someones awake ;)
[08:09] <`6og> ;)
[08:20] <Yagisan> damm, still once place behind ajmitch
[08:22] <tseng> ?
[08:26] <Yagisan> tseng: http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=45104
[09:02] <Hobbsee> stupid thing!
[09:22] <crimsun> Laser_away: pong (unlikely)
[09:31] <freeflying> crimsun: hi, would you mind have a look at the new zhcon, thx
[09:32] <crimsun> freeflying: revu/debian/ubuntu (url)?
[09:33] <freeflying> crimsun: I just failed build, due to the changes in Makefile, after patched, still can not work
[09:33] <freeflying> crimsun: new version can support utf8
[09:33] <crimsun> freeflying: ok, got a url?
[09:35] <freeflying> crimsun: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zhcon
[09:36] <crimsun> ah ok, upstream
[09:36] <freeflying> crimsun: how about include it in dapper?
[09:36] <crimsun> freeflying: will look in a few minutes. To include it, you'd need to file an Upstream Version Freeze exception request
[09:37] <freeflying> crimsun: after all , rc is coming ,so I don't know weather the UVFe will be approved  :)
[09:37] <crimsun> freeflying: if it fixes a critical bug, I'd still file a UVFe req
[09:38] <freeflying> crimsun: the critical is that old version can not support utf8, heh
[09:39] <freeflying> so, cjk guy can not input in native under console
[09:40] <crimsun> freeflying: but with zhcon, (s)he can?
[09:40] <crimsun> new zhcon, that is
[09:40] <freeflying> crimsun: sure
[09:41] <crimsun> freeflying: ok, that's worth filing a UVFe req
[09:42] <freeflying> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/216 --< change the dir for install zhcon.conf
[10:11] <phanatic> morning
[11:00] <Toadstool> morning
[11:01] <phanatic> hi Toadstool
[11:01] <Toadstool> hi phanatic
[11:05] <siretart> hey folks
[11:05] <Toadstool> hi siretart
[11:08] <Toadstool> hey Yagisan
[11:09] <phanatic> hello Yagisan
[11:16] <\sh> moins
[11:21] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[11:23] <\sh> updating pbuilder, preparing clamav merge...
[11:26] <sivang> hi all
[11:26] <sivang> hey phanatic :)
[11:27] <phanatic> hello sivang :)
[11:27] <\sh> hey sivang :) did I see it right, that you started uploading? ;)
[11:27] <phanatic> sivang: i cannot go :(
[11:27] <sivang> phanatic: why no?
[11:28] <phanatic> sivang: no sponsorship (which i can understand)
[11:28] <sivang> phanatic: ah I see, sponsership emails already went out?
[11:28] <phanatic> sivang: yeah, on friday
[11:30] <\sh> sivang: are you attending paris?
[11:31] <sivang> \sh: not sure yet, I did not receive any emails from Jane on friday, so I'll either stay at home, or go for a trip arounde EU and drop by for a couple of days or so.
[11:31] <sivang> ;-)
[11:31] <\sh> sivang: hehe :) the latter is better :)
[11:32] <sivang> \sh: are you coming ?
[11:32] <\sh> sivang: I'll try visit the people in paris for one or two nights if it's possible...
[11:32] <Yagisan> w00t - I found the bug :)
[11:32] <\sh> sivang: I never applied for sponsorship and actually we have product launch in june
[11:32] <sivang> \sh: I see, good luck then :-)
[11:34] <\sh> sivang: but one weekend should do..or at least the beginning of the conf (ubuntu love day ;))
[11:35] <sivang> \sh: I understood there is not going to be any love day on this no? just hard spec writing :)
[11:35] <sivang> who else is going there?
[11:35] <\sh> sivang: every day is ubuntu love day ;)
[11:35] <sivang> this is true :-D
[11:40] <\sh> siretart: ping
[11:56] <siretart> \sh: pong
[11:57] <\sh> siretart: regarding https://launchpad.net/bugs/42568 I found only the fix for /var/run in the actual clamav package in ubuntu....
[11:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42568 in clamav "Security issue fixed in 0.88.2" [Normal,Confirmed]
[12:02] <\sh> siretart: and some rules adjustments :)
[12:09] <siretart> \sh: yes?
[12:20] <sivang> siretart: are you going to paris?
[12:21] <siretart> sivang: I don't know. I'm not sponsored, and I have to look how expensive it would be
[12:21] <sivang> siretart: me as well :)
[12:44] <\sh> hehe...my first sponsored uploads since a couple of months ....
[01:17] <Tonio_> hey
[01:17] <Yagisan> G'day Tonio_
[01:18] <Yagisan> persia: thanks for confirming Bug #44626
[01:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44626 in openoffice.org "Can't Input Japanese Text" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44626
[01:19] <persia> Yagisan: No worries.  That's the type of bug likely to annoy me at some point when I depend on the correct behaviour :)
[01:20] <persia> Yagisan: Are you familiar with the IM mechanism used in Open Office?  I don't know where to even begin investigating that.
[01:20] <Yagisan> persia: I discovered it when I when to type a fax to my mother-in-law
[01:20] <Yagisan> persia: not at all :(
[01:20] <Yagisan> s/when/went
[01:21] <persia> Yagisan: That's too bad.  Did you end up writing it in gedit?
[01:21] <Yagisan> persia: yep. then pasting it in OO.o for formatting
[01:22] <persia> Yagisan: Copy & paste works?  It's just the imput framework then?
[01:22] <Yagisan> persia: yeah, Control+C and Shift+Insert work
[01:22] <Yagisan> persia: input is stuffed. (I'm on dapper)
[01:23] <Yagisan> persia: you also amd64 ?
[01:23] <Yagisan> persia: Copy & Paste was stuffed in breezy. Doubt that will ever be fixed
[01:23] <persia> Yagisan: I just checked, and opening a UTF-8 file seems to work as well.  I'll read some changelogs, and see what I can find.  I'm also dapper AMD64, but I doubt it's architecture specific, especially as OOo is 32-bit.
[01:25] <Yagisan> persia: it's preciously because OO.o is 32bit that I think it is arch specific. I doub;t i386 has this issue, as they didn't get the copy & paste one for breezy
[01:25] <persia> Yagisan: Hmmm...  Have to think about that :)
[01:27] <Yagisan> persia: so, how was  ?
[01:28] <persia> Yagisan: My mother-in-law came to visit.  Dinner, etc.  For you?
[01:32] <persia> Yagisan: I found it.  OOo only supports IIIMP.    If you really want to use OOo, install iiimgcf.  You'll need to switch to iiimf-htt-xbe for Xinput.  There don't appear to be any nice applets, etc.  I don't want to change my config that much: do you want to investigate more, or shall I just update the bug with my findings to date?
[01:43] <Yagisan> persia: update the bug for now. I'll look at how much hassle using iiimgcf is later
[01:45] <sivang> ah, staying at the hotel where canonical people stay is rather expansive ...:)
[01:45] <ajmitch> sivang: yes, and it's probably not cheap to stay somewhere else close
[01:46] <sivang> ajmitch: so it seems, have you also checked? :)
[01:46] <sivang> ajmitch: or are you sponsered for the summit?
[01:46] <ajmitch> sivang: no, and no
[01:47] <Hobbsee> poor ajmitch - paris would be fun
[01:47] <sivang> ajmitch: I see, I guess we both get to spec stuff and help from remote this time :)
[01:47] <sivang> Hobbsee: you going ?
[01:47] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: sitting in a hotel at the airport for a week?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> sivang: nope
[01:48] <ajmitch> probably more entitled than I am
[01:48] <slomo_> crimsun: ping?
[01:48] <sivang> slomo_: yo :)
[01:48] <slomo_> hi sivang :)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> sivang: i've got assignments thru that block of time - and we must be in the uni for them...
[01:49] <tseng> they are pretty selective about who gets a free ride, i only got to udu because ogra bugged mark nonstop
[01:50] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: why not ? I rocked up to UDU and well, to be honest the only stuff from me has gone to hoary-security
[01:50] <sivang> slomo_: will you be in paris?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: yes, but i have no passport, and it's all the way in paris.
[01:50] <slomo_> sivang: at least that's plannd :)
[01:50] <sivang> slomo_: are you being sponsered?
[01:52] <sivang> slomo_: on a side note, you did not upload ekiga and gwget :) has there been any issue with my debdiffs ?
[01:52] <\sh> Seveas: is it possible to remove this stupid cloak completly ? i even want to see my hostname then unaffiliated/sh/x-000000002
[01:52] <slomo_> sivang: oh did forget them, sorry :( i'll do it in some minutes
[01:52] <slomo_> sivang: and not sure about sponsoring yet
[01:53] <Seveas> \sh, poke lilo - I didn't tell him to put an unaffiliated cloak on you
[01:54] <\sh> Seveas: k
[01:56] <sivang> slomo_: ah, it's said on the wiki page that sponsership has already been announced.
[01:57] <sivang> err, emailed to relevant people. that is
[01:58] <sivang> slomo_: I should get approved for main then I won't even have to bug you about those as well :)
[01:59] <slomo_> sivang: hehe :) will happen faster than you think :P and gwget is in universe so you can upload it yourself anyway
[02:03] <sivang> slomo_: ah, I was sure it was in main according to it's control file, overrides..:-)
[02:03] <slomo_> sivang: ekiga will be uploaded soon :)
[02:28] <phanatic> hi people
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hi phanatic
[02:29] <phanatic> hey Hobbsee
[02:36] <persia> zakame: My apologies, but porting kdrill to make is not something I will complete any time soon.  When I have time again, I'll check the bug status, and if it remains as is, I'll take another look.
[02:55] <\sh> ok...need to do some real life stuff
[02:59] <phanatic> siretart: ping
[03:09] <siretart> phanatic: pong
[03:10] <phanatic> siretart: regarding the uvfe (bug 44549). is that debdiff enough for you (or somebody else) to upload?
[03:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44549 in gnome-rdp "UVF Exception Request" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44549
[03:11] <sivang> slomo_: thank you :)
[03:11] <slomo_> sivang: np :)
[03:12] <siretart> phanatic: I haven't looked at it too closely. if it is 'minimal', then I'd say yes
[03:12] <slomo_> sivang: for gwget... use -1ubuntu1 and distribution dapper :P i've uploaded it as such for you already
[03:12] <sivang> slomo_: oh, thanks, I did not change anything in the getted source from the archive
[03:12] <phanatic> siretart: it's not so minimal, since the source has some changes + several icons were added. so it would be better to upload to revu maybe?
[03:12] <sivang> slomo_: so I guess that's why it appeared to be supposed to in main and had this in the control file
[03:15] <siretart> phanatic: perhpas
[03:16] <phanatic> siretart: ok, the i'll do that
[03:16] <phanatic> *then
[03:16] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:16] <bddebian> Hi siretart, phanatic
[03:17] <kgoetz> hi bddebian
[03:17] <phanatic> hey bddebian
[03:18] <siretart> hi bddebian
[03:19] <bddebian> Heya kgoetz
[03:19] <kgoetz> :)
[03:21] <sivang> bddebian: what do we want to break today? :-)
[03:22] <bddebian> sivang: :-)  I'm probably not allowed, it's Mothers Day ya know :-)
[03:22] <sivang> heheh
[03:34] <Kyral> Morning
[03:34] <kgoetz> hi Kyral
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hi again Kyral
[03:34] <Kyral> lol
[03:34] <Kyral> Go to bed Hobbsee  :P
[03:34] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:34] <Hobbsee> no!
[03:34] <kgoetz> lol
[03:34] <Kyral> Yes!
[03:35] <Hobbsee> no!
[03:35] <Kyral> Don't make me use Hammerspace!
[03:35] <kgoetz> hehe
[03:36] <phanatic> siretart: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2333
[03:36] <Hobbsee> nasty.
[03:36] <Kyral> hehe, i didn't hit you that hard
[03:38] <sivang> Hobbsee: where are youfrom btw?
[03:38] <kgoetz> looked bad from ehre
[03:38] <Hobbsee> sivang: sydney
[03:38] <kgoetz> *here
[03:38] <sivang> Hobbsee: ah, cool
[03:38] <Hobbsee> i mean, antarctica :P
[03:38] <Kyral> kgoetz: anime rule...uuh forgot lol
[03:38] <kgoetz> lol
[03:39] <sivang> Hobbsee: yeah, I've heared :p
[03:39] <Kyral> damnit lol
[03:39] <kgoetz> Kyral: <grin>
[03:39] <kgoetz> sivang: i can vouch for it ;)
[03:39] <Kyral> If Syndey is Antartica
[03:39] <Kyral> then what is Potsdam NY?
[03:39] <kgoetz> Kyral: far away?
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:40] <Kyral> Seeing as I have had to walk to class in -30 F weather (before wind chill)
[03:44] <Mithrandir> -15C is just nice, though.
[03:45] <kgoetz> ( Hobbsee, what's -15F?)
[03:45] <kgoetz> *-30
[03:45] <Hobbsee> er, i dont remmeber....
[03:46] <Hobbsee> i have a program that does that for me :P
[03:46] <Mithrandir> hmm, I was wrong, -30F is ~-35C
[03:46] <kgoetz> lol
[03:46] <Mithrandir> You have: tempF(-30)
[03:46] <Mithrandir> You want: tempC -34.444444
[03:47] <Mithrandir> that's a tad cold.  Not unbearable, but cold.
[03:47] <kgoetz> hm. "bracing"
[03:47] <kgoetz> cold enough for me to have pants on instead of shorts
[03:48] <Mithrandir> well, sure.  I pass that threshold at about 0C.
[03:48] <kbrooks> hey
[03:48] <kbrooks> i have a question
[03:48] <kgoetz> Mithrandir: hehe
[03:48] <kbrooks> WHERE are .desktop files installed to, and how do i refresh the menu?
[03:48] <kbrooks> the applications menu
[03:49] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: you should rather wear skirts.  Much prettier. :-)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:49] <kbrooks> WHERE are .desktop files installed to, and how do i refresh the applications menu?
[03:49] <kgoetz> oooh Mithrandir ;)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> totally impractical though...
[03:49] <kgoetz> kbrooks: wait your turn and don't spam
[03:49] <kbrooks> waiting... waiting...
[03:50] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I wouldn't know.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:50] <kbrooks> kgoetz: oh? this channel is sequential?
[03:50] <kbrooks> kgoetz: triaged?
[03:50] <kbrooks> kgoetz: or what?
[03:51] <kgoetz> kbrooks: we are talking about hobbsee's clothing, when that's not interesting it's your turn ;)
[03:51] <kgoetz> in /usr/share/somewhere i think in answer to your question, but i would have to loko it up
[03:51] <kbrooks> kgoetz: sequential then, i assume
[03:52] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:52] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@thosu ~ > dpkg -L gedit-common| grep desktop$
[03:52] <Mithrandir> /usr/share/applications/gedit.desktop
[03:52] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: we're not just talking about your, but in general, I think.
[03:52] <kbrooks> Mithrandir: so how do i refresh the meny?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> oh, fair enough.  keep talking :P
[03:52] <kbrooks> menu*
[03:52] <Mithrandir> kbrooks: pkill gnome-panel ?
[03:55] <bddebian> heh
[03:55] <Hobbsee> no...wait...who do i want...it might be bddebian that i want...
[03:55] <Hobbsee> bddebian: who did the original list of dh_iconcache fixes?
[03:55] <kgoetz> lol
[03:56] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Probably dholbach.  It certainly wasn't me :)
[03:56] <Hobbsee> bddebian: right.
[04:02] <kbrooks> Mithrandir: doing this in a package
[04:02] <kbrooks> Mithrandir: pkill is a Bad Idea (tm)
[04:03] <Mithrandir> kbrooks: I think the panel picks it up automatically then?
[04:03] <kgoetz> you could also try loggin out and in again, and i think therse a menu-update tyupe program
[04:03] <kgoetz> Mithrandir: that's what i thought
[04:03] <kbrooks> Mithrandir: hm, ok, ill try
[04:32] <kgoetz> anyone good with perl around?
[04:33] <bddebian> Is anyone good with perl? ;-P
[04:34] <kgoetz> lol. my bad :/
[04:34] <kbrooks> kgoetz: how about asking in #perl ?
[04:35] <kgoetz> kbrooks: this is an ubuntu bug related question, not a random perl enquiry
[04:35] <kbrooks> kgoetz: do tell.
[04:35] <kgoetz> bug 44467 (vrms). i cant follow the code to work out wtf it's doing
[04:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44467 in vrms "False positive on ttf-gentium" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44467
[04:36] <kgoetz> someohow it works out if a package is free or non free, but it doesnt have a list of non free packages. i think it might be the package in question is still marked non-free
[04:51] <kgoetz> elkbuntu: stop stalking me :(
[04:51] <elkbuntu> nevah!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:51] <kgoetz> sif!
[04:51] <elkbuntu> only here so i can spy/listen/learn :)
[04:52] <kgoetz> lol. i'm here to pounce on people who want to learn
[05:00] <kgoetz> hehe.
[05:08] <zakame> hi all! :D
[05:59] <bddebian> Any PPC users alive?
[06:00] <freeflying-ibook> bddebian: hi
[06:00] <bddebian> Heya freeflying-ibook
[06:00] <bddebian> freeflying-ibook: Would you mind installing the new xcircuit and seeing if it crashes on startup?
[06:00] <freeflying-ibook> bddebian: what can I do for you?
[06:01] <freeflying-ibook> bddebian: 3.4.21-0ubuntu1?
[06:01] <bddebian> Yep
[06:02] <freeflying-ibook> bddebian: no crash
[06:03] <bddebian> freeflying-ibook: Excellent, thanks!
[06:03] <freeflying-ibook> bddebian: np
[06:08] <kgoetz> night
[06:09] <bddebian> GNight kgoetz
[06:09] <kgoetz> later bddebian. .have fun :)
[06:11] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: Thanks
[06:11] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: Sorry am dead tight!! Am on a business trip actually.. :((
[06:12] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: Wish you a happy journey too :D
[06:12] <bddebian> thx
[08:50] <Spec> changelog's are supposed to be manually edited, yes?
[08:59] <sivang> Spec_: there a tool, dch that helps you edit it but yestm it's generally manually edited
[09:01] <ivoks> dch rulz :)
[09:14] <Spec_> yeap :)
[09:15] <sivang> Spec: dch will create the neccessary entries for you just to fill up
[09:15] <Spec> yeap
[09:15] <Spec> dch -i is what i used
[09:21] <zul> you
[09:21] <zul> doh..hey
[10:23] <crimsun> slomo_: pong
[10:24] <slomo_> crimsun: is there a way to query one alsa soundcard for it's capabilities? i want to know what sampling rates it supports :)
[10:32] <crimsun> slomo_: yes
[10:33] <slomo_> crimsun: how?
[10:34] <crimsun> slomo_: take a look at how jackd does it in drivers/alsa/alsa_driver.c
[10:34] <slomo_> crimsun: hm, a simple shell command would be better ;)
[10:36] <crimsun> erg, well, that would require you open playback and/or capture and inspect its hw_params
[10:39] <crimsun> for instance, ``aplay /dev/zero'', then inspect /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/hw_params
[10:50] <Laser_away> crimsun: did you see the new maxima bug info?
[11:23] <crimsun> LaserJock: not yet, I'll look
[11:24] <LaserJock> crimsun: basically it sounds like compiling maxima with a different lisp compiler (cmcul is reported to work) fixes the connection problems
[11:26] <crimsun> LaserJock: ah, excellent. So perhaps gcl can be avoided?
[11:26] <crimsun> (will look in a bit)
[11:36] <crimsun> heh, the usplash 0.2-2 changelog is pretty scathing
[11:36] <tseng> thats keybuk for you
[11:37] <LaserJock> wow, that is something
[11:41] <whiprush> I chuckled also
[11:52] <zul> who is frank?
[11:53] <LaserJock> zul: Frank Schoep on ubuntu-devel I imagine


[02:52] <user|9492> Hi someone knows when Plasma 5.10 is going to be supported by Kubuntu 16.04LTS?
[06:23] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:49] <Donnerbalken> Sysinfo for 'kutsche': Running against KDE Frameworks 5 on Linux Mint 18.2 (Sonya) powered by Linux 4.8.0-58-generic, CPU: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E6500 @ 2.93GHz at 2133-2933/2933 MHz, RAM: 3802/3949 MB, Storage: 17/139 GB, 211 procs, 1.48h up
[08:53] <lordievader> Linux mint is generally not supported in #ubuntu channels.
[08:57] <Donnerbalken> Sorry I use some kde-programs because of tradition and konversation sends me here
[08:58] <Donnerbalken> Why can't I make a whois-question? No information are given.
[09:30] <lordievader> What do you mean?
[09:32] <Donnerbalken> I think I have found it: information about users if I click on them and asked /whois will find in windows freenode
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:12] <EvilRoey> .tell mgolden thank you
[18:40] <cristobal_> does anyone had issues running steam from the software center?  i had unistalled and reinstalled from konsole and still isnt opening
[18:42] <cristobal_> also  do you guys recommend to run the microcode for amd apu a10 or use default?
[19:31] <heinkel_111> i am looking for info on how to install google earth
[19:31] <heinkel_111> that is not out of date
[19:32] <heinkel_111> is it available from the repositories or will I have to go to visit google to get it?
[19:33] <BluesKaj> the google earth paxkage is available in the repos, heinkel_111
[19:34] <heinkel_111> hmm I did not find it at first attempt
[19:35] <BluesKaj> !google-earth
[19:35] <BluesKaj> !googleearth
[19:35] <BluesKaj> heinkel_111, ^
[19:35] <heinkel_111> strange...
[19:37] <heinkel_111> I find google-earth-ec-stable  and google-earth-pro-stable ...oh and googleearth-package
[19:37] <heinkel_111> I try the ec-stable first
[19:41] <heinkel_111> does not work for me
[19:41] <heinkel_111> the graphics display ends up in a little tile in the corner of the application
[19:43] <heinkel_111> the googlearth-package thing looks like a 32 bit version, it pulls in a lot of 1386 libraries
[19:45] <heinkel_111> when I tried downloading froom google Qapt told me the same version was available from a repository
[19:45] <heinkel_111> it is of course the third option
[19:46] <heinkel_111> google-earth-pro-stable is the package recommended
[19:46] <heinkel_111> *testing*
[19:48] <heinkel_111> doesn't work either
[19:48] <heinkel_111> :(
[19:48] <BluesKaj> yup GE is still 32 bit, also needs lsb-core I think
[19:52] <BluesKaj> heinkel_111,  install lsb-core too
[19:58] <heinkel_111> lsb-core is already the newest version (9.20160110ubuntu0.2)
[20:08] <heinkel_111> regardless of which version I use, I get a stamp-sized 3D display in upper left corner of the application window
[20:13] <valorie> heinkel_111: have you tried Marble?
[20:13] <valorie> it's very full-featured
[20:13] <valorie> !info marble
[20:17] <heinkel_111> thanks valorie, it has improved a lot since the last time i tried it but still the maps are not good enough for m use
[20:17] <heinkel_111> also, it becomes 2D quite close
[20:22] <valorie> dunno -- you might ask in #ubuntu since this is not a KDE package
[20:22] <valorie> quite the opposite, since it's not even Free
[20:23] <heinkel_111> I know, but it seems it doesn't even work for for Free :(
[20:24] <valorie> the #ubuntu chan might be able to help
[21:08] <valorie> heinkel_111: did you scroll down on the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleEarth ?
[21:08] <valorie> there is a LOT of troubleshooting info down the page
[21:10] <heinkel_111> I will give it a more thorough read another day
[21:11] <heinkel_111> I was hoping for something out-of-the box but seems like some manual intervention is called for
[21:11] <heinkel_111> thanks for tips and assitance
[21:11] <heinkel_111> valorie ^
[21:12] <valorie> in spite of teh fact that Google runs on foss software, they do not see us as a target for their software
[21:12] <valorie> unfortunately
[23:03] <viewer|36740> I have a pentium celeron M and 800 GB of ram. Which kubuntu would be suitable for my specs?
[23:09] <viewer|36740> Any help there?
[23:37] <oerheks_> "The new version 14.04 LTS 'Trusty Tahr', needs no fake-PAE to work with Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs. Instead you use the boot option forcepae and boot from the standard desktop installer and alternate installer for 32-bit systems." .. i think kubuntu is too heavy, but give it a try
[23:39] <[Relic]> I added 17.04 along side 14.04; but I want 14.04 to boot normally instead of 17.04 being the priority boot; is there an easy way to switch that around?
[23:44] <oerheks_> edit GRUB_DEFAULT=0 > https://askubuntu.com/a/110738


[06:56] <leeza> hello!
[06:56] <leeza> anyone can help me
[06:56] <leeza> :(
[07:16] <sweemeng> leeza, wassup
[16:09] <yuskhanzab> salam
[16:57] <lon3star> salam


[00:03] <ompaul>  nalioth  >> more of the same * TalikA<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu (requested by ompaul)
[00:03] <ompaul> * ompaul sets ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:03] <nalioth> ompaul: does your client have the '10 minute quiet' setting?
[00:03] <ompaul> not with you?
[00:03] <Jack_Sparrow> ompaul, Think you should set one on the name TalikA too ?
[00:04] <ompaul> remvoe the ban after 10 cos it is klined?
[00:04] <nalioth> ompaul: it halps with the tab completion  :|
[00:04] <nalioth> ompaul: and yes
[00:04] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, no it will use another name and proxy in 10 mins
[00:04] <nalioth> or less than 10
[00:04] <ompaul> nalioth, na but I will look after it
[00:05] <Jack_Sparrow> Ok, thought it had repeated that name more than once
[00:05] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, if so then feel free to do so
[00:06] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, if that is the case op up once and hit all the nicks that it has cycled though today
[00:09] <Jack_Sparrow> Ok,    But it is time for a nap....   bbl
[00:12] <Seeker`> !modes
[00:12] <ubotu> There are many different channel and user modes on !freenode. Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[00:15] <ubotu> Seeker` called the ops in #ubuntu (llama123456789)
[00:22] <buks> ompaul: even though this is not a support channel, its nice to know someone is actually watching over me :), thanx
[00:23] <ompaul> hehe
[00:25] <buks> wait, dont tell me... /part
[00:26] <Seeker`> Mez: Connection problems?
[00:27] <Seeker`> ompaul: Is tonight particularly bad for weird people, or do I usually not pay enough attention to notice them?
[00:28] <ompaul> Seeker`, the latter methinks - it is friday which is a good day for it
[00:28] <Seeker`> depends on how you define good :P
[00:29] <ompaul> Seeker`, I now have that nice person in pm
[00:30] <Seeker`> which nice person?
[00:33] <Mez> sorry about Floodbot2's downtime. it was planned
[00:33]  * Mez yawns
[00:34] <ompaul> Seeker`, the one which was warned off then removed
[00:36] <Seeker`> ompaul: ah, fun
[00:37] <Seeker`> the guy that was asking about fedora?
[00:37] <ompaul> Seeker`, na the other party - the one who was not discouraging them
[00:38] <ompaul> Seeker`, then played both sides of a coin at the same time - baiting me which worked and tried to be good in channel at the same time
[00:38] <Seeker`> NinjaPlimsoles?
[00:39] <ompaul> Seeker`, yeap and I wonder was he one part of a double act
[00:39] <ompaul> see last q for someone who is on their first day on ubuntu that is a rich question
[00:39] <Seeker`> ompaul: what makes you think that?
[00:41] <Seeker`> there was only 4 mins between them joining
[00:42] <Seeker`> ompaul: If you mean eatatjones
[00:42] <ompaul> yeap
[00:42] <Seeker`> hmm, ninja just appeared in -uk
[00:44] <Mez> Seeker`, popey can ddeal with it
[00:44] <Seeker`> Mez: I can deal with it too :)
[00:44] <ompaul> Seeker`, watch it
[00:45] <Mez> Seeker`, but you're going to bed
[00:45] <Seeker`> am I?
[00:45] <Mez> i thought i saw you saying you were somewhere
[00:45] <Mez> lol
[00:46] <Seeker`> Mez: I said i'm beginning to get tired - I'm going to be really geeky and wait up and watch star trek
[00:46] <Mez> ah fair enough
[00:46] <Mez> i should go bed now
[00:46] <Mez> got a long day on sunday
[00:46] <Seeker`> nn
[00:46] <Mez> i didnt say i was going to
[00:46] <Mez> lol
[00:47] <Seeker`> Mez: :P
[00:47] <Seeker`> Mez: good long day or bad long day?
[00:47] <Mez> Seeker`, day in bed with new gf
[00:47] <Mez> so very good
[00:47] <PriceChild> popey is back :/
[00:47] <Mez> yes, he is
[00:47] <Seeker`> Mez: oooh :P
[00:48] <PriceChild> I was getting excited when he quit, thought we were done with him.
[00:48]  * Mez pets popey and hopes his server is ok
[00:48] <Mez> PriceChild, nah, his server was being moved to a new Power supply
[00:48] <Mez> same as me... i just came back quicker
 is this channel considered to be offtopic? <-- sighs
[00:52] <ompaul> Mez, do o4o that will help him go over the line and get banned ;-)
[00:52] <Seeker`> I reckon we have to be a bit careful with him
[00:53] <Mez> ompaul, he's in a loco channel
[00:53] <ompaul> it works there too
[00:53] <ompaul> and names that channel
[00:53] <ompaul> :->
[00:53] <ompaul> }:-> even
[00:54]  * Mez pokes an o4o his way
[01:04] <ompaul> I am off out of there I figure you will get more obvious trolling now
[01:04] <ompaul> night
[01:20] <LjL> "lol"
[01:20] <Seeker`> lo LjL
[01:20] <LjL> [01:18:07] <buks> hi, the powers that be over at #kubuntu-ops pointed me here (I feel I'm being watched), so let me ask: I am having a problem installing kubuntu-kde4 alpha 6 via the LAN. the option to install the desktop is missing
[01:21] <Pici> o.O
[01:22] <Seeker`> LjL: Is the floodbot source still "classified"
[01:24] <LjL> yeah
[01:24] <Seeker`> k
[02:19] <PriceChild> nickrud: I don't think there's need for a ban.
[02:19] <PriceChild> He won't be back, and it just clogs the list.
[02:19] <nickrud> PriceChild: I clear all but the egregious ones after 24 hrs
[02:19] <PriceChild> k k
[02:30] <PriceChild> My uni just elected a pirate as president.
[02:30] <Pici> arr?
[02:31] <PriceChild> was announced an hour ago... there's already people shouting on the radio, a couple of facebook groups/petitions and just general angry people
[02:32] <Pici> Surely if s/he was elected, a majority voted for them
[02:32] <PriceChild> 9,000 in the uni, 3,000 voted, he got 52%
[02:32] <PriceChild> (3 candidates)
[02:33]  * PriceChild finds his manifesto
[02:33] <nickrud> sounds like more of a majority than a debian election anyway
[02:34] <PriceChild> can't find it
[02:34] <PriceChild> but they included... "cutlasses for all"
[02:35] <PriceChild> "destroy half of the central bridge across the lake, then force the lecturers to 'walk the plank'"
[02:36] <nickrud> sounds like the voters are fun-loving nihilists :)
[02:37] <PriceChild> http://pastebin.ca/933081
[02:51] <nickrud> I'd probably have voted for him in my university days, the the usual candidates were so humorless and earnest
[03:08] <Seeker`> is tor only banned in #ubuntu?
[03:08] <PriceChild> Seeker`: it isn't banned in #ubuntu
[03:08] <PriceChild> !tor-gpg | Seeker`
[03:08] <ubotu> Seeker`: You can use tor and still access #ubuntu and other channels that have tor blocked.  How? Read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor to find out how to bypass all the tor hassles on freenode.
[03:10] <Seeker`> ah, I thought it was
[03:11] <PriceChild> its blocked, unless you set up tor-tpt
[03:57] <ubotu> In #xubuntu, PlayBoy said: ubotu: My card is free driver since feisty version...
[03:58] <Pici> ubotu: tell playboy about bot
[04:00] <jdong> kinky.
[04:01] <PriceChild> jdong: down boy
[04:01] <jdong> PriceChild: you know what fevers do ;-)
[04:40] <PriceChild> nickrud: bossmanbeta is an -uncensored guy... not having this,
[04:40] <nickrud> ok. glad you took over, personally
[04:51] <PriceChild> not sure what channel he was invited from, cba to figure it out tonight
[04:56] <PriceChild> seems a sane guy
[04:56] <PriceChild> just pulled into it
[04:57] <nickrud> it's not an insane position, just a futile one.
[04:57] <PriceChild> nickrud: if you see others like that, just mute and discuss it in PM/send in here. They are pulling people into that channel, and being alarmist.
[04:57] <PriceChild> If it would have been me, I would probably have done the same as him.
[04:58] <PriceChild> A nice polite conversation in PM, remove the mute and everyone's happy.
[04:58] <nickrud> hm. I'm banned from it. Wanted to talk to emma before the last blowup happened.
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee:  I understand you did some web host research recently.  I'm feeling open to be talked to on the subject after tonight.
[06:49] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: mmm?  OK
[06:53] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, foo said: !ops Thanatos is spamming on join
[06:56] <foo> Thanatos appears to be a troll, or a bot. /me tries to tell
[06:56]  * Hobbsee doesn't seem to get the on-join spam...
[06:57] <foo> Hobbsee: A part of me is thinking that he's a troll who grabbed my name on autojoin. I don't think he's a bot, his messages seem to be at irregular intervals.
[06:57] <Hobbsee> it's showing as xchat.  starnge
[06:57] <Hobbsee> perhaps os
[06:58] <foo> Hm, then yeah, I'm going to vouch for a troll. Anyways, I'll just /ignore him, unless you think it necessarily to take action (which I don't think you would in this case)
[07:04] <nickrud> I saw him in a pm, told him it wasn't polite to pm without permission. I haven't heard from him since. He's now andre
[07:04]  * foo seconds that
[07:05] <foo> 23:04 <foo> It's not polite to PM, please stop
[07:05] <foo> 23:05 <andre> you fool
[07:05] <foo> hmm.
[07:05] <nickrud> ditto, exactly
[07:05] <foo> 23:05 <andre> you big fat
[07:05] <nickrud> just now
[07:07] <foo> 23:06 <foo> :/
[07:07] <foo> 23:06 <andre> sia anjing
[07:07] <foo> 23:06 <andre> you dog
[07:07]  * foo thinking troll
 sia anjinga(YOU DOG)
[07:08] <foo> hmm
[07:08] <nickrud> I think I'll kick, see what he does
[07:08] <foo> nickrud: Thank you :)
[07:08]  * Hobbsee tries pm'ing
[07:08] <nickrud> so I wait
[07:08]  * foo loves the organization with ops for this channel
[07:09] <nickrud> pecking order foo
[07:09] <foo> I've been an op for #mandrake back in the day, and #mandriva, and I am with a few other smaller channels ... and I believe this is the way it should be done
[07:09] <foo> Jono doesn't hang around in here does he?
[07:09] <Myrtti> no
[07:09] <Hobbsee> he does occasionally
[07:09] <Hobbsee> but not this channel
[07:09] <foo> ah, nice. ohh, I see
[07:10]  * foo has seen him at SCALE the past few years
[07:10] <nickrud> meant to make scale, but had to work on short notice
[07:10] <foo> ah, nickrud, you in the area around SCALE?
[07:10] <foo> bummer
[07:10] <nickrud> I work right by LAX
[07:11] <nickrud> planned on leaving my car in the lot there (have a card) and walk to scale from there
[07:11] <nickrud> was looking forward to his keynote
[07:12] <foo> Ah, sweet. May I PM you?
[07:12] <nickrud> sure
[07:12] <foo> Thanks
[07:16] <foo> Hm, don't think I should idle here. Catch you folks later :) Thanks again -
[07:17] <Hobbsee> ubotu: ping
[07:17] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[07:18] <Hobbsee> good.
[07:18] <foo> haha
[07:18]  * foo straps on parachute and bails
[07:19] <Myrtti> he's nice
[07:23] <nickrud> Hobbsee: so, was andre reasonable?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> he was asking me what my name was, etc.
[07:25] <nickrud> hai what is yoor name  ?
[07:26]  * Hobbsee has no name.
[07:26] <nickrud> saves ink I guess
[07:27] <nickrud> ok, silence until I said peanut butter, then I get back <andre> SIA ANJING KU AING
 ABONG KABOGOHNA SI IZZA ANU PANG HIDEUNGNA SA DUNIA
[07:27] <Hobbsee> ooookay then...
[08:59] <sleepster> haha wth is this place?
[09:00] <sleepster> anyways.. I am bored
[09:00] <sleepster> so I guess I should talk to an op
[09:01] <sleepster> it's sort of ignorant of you guys to ban someone for saying RTFM.. especially since I help a lot of people in that channel
[09:02] <ompaul> the way we help people is we rtfm and then we get the info and give it to them
[09:02] <ompaul> that is all
[09:03] <ompaul> give the specifics to the person
[09:03] <ompaul> you google they don't
[09:03] <ompaul> thats all
[09:03] <sleepster> that's naive
[09:03] <ompaul> no that is the way the ubuntu help system has worked for the last couple of years
[09:03] <sleepster> you guys breast feed them..
[09:03] <sleepster> then they keep coming back for more questions
[09:03] <ompaul> the good ones end up helping
[09:03] <sleepster> people should learn to find answers... "learn" to find answers
[09:03] <ompaul> that is not the way in this space
[09:04] <ompaul> those who want to learn will
[09:04] <nickrud> sleepster: I've been helping here for years, as as ompaul. We do know what works
[09:04] <sleepster> whatever you say chief
[09:04] <ompaul> sleepster, I have been helping on irc in *nx channels since the early nineties
[09:05] <ompaul> even in places called #nohelp :)
[09:06] <ompaul> sleepster, I'll let you back in, but if you are not going to give complete help then please observe
[09:06] <ompaul> most of the everyday stuff is on the wiki
[09:06] <sleepster> its ok.. u don't have you
[09:06] <ompaul> do /msg ubotu search foo and you will find a reasonable
[09:06] <ompaul> answer
[09:06] <nickrud> we try not to chase away people by talking over their heads. or implying that because they are clueless they are useless
[09:07] <ompaul> sleepster, I have seen a guy go from no use to developer in there on more than one occasion
[09:08] <ompaul> sleepster, we know what we are at - growing the GNU/Linux community one step at a time - it is not a private club where TLAs do the business - we try to lower the barriers  to access as much as possible
[09:08] <ompaul> the motivation is simple - get people on the platform then they are empowered
[09:09] <ompaul> !bug 1
[09:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[09:09] <ubotu> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubotu equivalents
[09:09] <nickrud> ompaul: you're talking over my head, what's a TLA
[09:09] <ompaul> three letter abbr
[09:09] <ompaul> ivation
[09:09]  * nickrud throws bricks
[09:09]  * ompaul gathers nickrud's lego and gives it to bazhang
[09:10] <ompaul> sleepster, there ya go
[09:10] <ompaul> I'll remove that ban now
[09:10] <ompaul> sleepster, done
[09:22] <sleepster> thanks.. but I am still banning me from #ubuntu until I learned the ubuntu ways
[09:22] <sleepster> and until sleepster learns those rules..
[09:23] <sleepster> I am keeping him away from the innocent feeble minds of ubuntians
[09:23] <ompaul> ok
[09:23] <ompaul> is there anything else we can help?
[09:24] <sleepster> no.. I am fine thanks
[09:28]  * ompaul points to the topic
[09:29] <ompaul> I'm off out for breakfast
[09:44] <ubotu> bazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (jonathan2)
[10:19] <ubotu> bazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (jwdnho)
[10:21] <Gary> just set a ban on jwdnho for - < jwdnho> archman: i have a hardon for your mama <--- someone might wanna log it in your ban tracker
[10:28] <ubotu> Moshe called the ops in #ubuntu (Flynsarmy)
[10:28] <ubotu> Moshe called the ops in #ubuntu (archman)
[10:28] <ubotu> Moshe called the ops in #ubuntu (bazhang)
[10:28] <Laughed> I have a ban that I would like lifted.
[10:29] <theunixgeek> disturbance in the chat room
[10:29] <theunixgeek> somebody named Moshe keeps calling !ops on everyone
[10:29] <Gary> theunixgeek: I see
[10:29] <Mez> I kf'd herer
[10:30] <Laughed> hello....
[10:31] <Moshe> !ops | Ljl
[10:31] <ubotu> Ljl: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud!
[10:31] <ubotu> Moshe called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (Ljl)
[10:32] <Hobbsee> Moshe: yes?
[10:32] <Moshe> !ops | me
[10:32] <ubotu> me: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud!
[10:32] <ubotu> Moshe called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (me)
[10:32] <Moshe> !ops | Moshe
[10:32] <Mez> Moshe, wtf are you doing?
[10:32] <Mez> !botabuse > Moshe
[10:32] <Laughed> mez are you an OP, cause that is no way to talk to anyone
[10:32] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[10:32] <Mez> Laughed, an we help you?
[10:33] <Mez> can *
[10:33] <Laughed> I have been wrongfully banned and I would like it lifted
[10:33] <Hobbsee> strange.  i wonder if the guy has had a bit too much red cordial or something
[10:33] <Mez> Laughed, who banned you
[10:34] <Laughed> DOn know, one of your ops who wanted to flex his muscles. apparently he didnt like that I was an ATI user
[10:34] <theunixgeek> lol one of the free software crusaders
[10:34] <Laughed> I dont know what that means, ugeek
[10:35] <Hobbsee> a *lot* too much red cordial, it looks like
[10:35]  * Hobbsee looks up Laughed's ban
[10:35] <Hobbsee> Laughed: under what nickname / IP was the ban?
[10:35] <theunixgeek> Laughed: ATI won't open up its drivers. Some people hate that.
[10:35] <Laughed> this one
[10:35] <Laughed> I just needed help. it turned out it wasnt an ATI issue
[10:35] <stdin> theunixgeek: if there's nothing else we can do for you, we like to keep the channel free of idlers
[10:35] <Laughed> it was actually somethign else
[10:36] <Laughed> I needed to remove splash from the boot line
[10:36] <theunixgeek> stdin: okeydoke
[10:36] <Laughed> Something Sparrow, jack
[10:36]  * Hobbsee sighs, looks up full logs
[10:36] <Hobbsee> yeah, i found the quiet.  which is a) not a ban.
[10:37] <Hobbsee> and b) appears to already be removed.
[10:37] <Laughed> who me???
[10:37] <Hobbsee> yes, you.
[10:37] <Laughed> I just tried to log in and it said i was banned
[10:37] <Hobbsee> ah, hang on
[10:37] <Hobbsee> it's swapped from a ban to a quiet
[10:37] <Hobbsee> er, other way aorund
[10:38] <Laughed> is your nick a play on calvin and hobbs
[10:39] <Mez> no, its a play on her surnam
[10:39] <Mez> e
[10:39] <Laughed> k, brb
[10:40] <Hobbsee> no, it's not.
[10:43]  * Hobbsee sigh
[10:43] <Hobbsee> Laughed: i'd suspect that most people's ATI cards work, by the way.  No need to say that they all don't, when you've only tried yours
[10:43] <Hobbsee> Laughed: also, senses of entitlement "you must help me, because i dared to install your operating system of choice" also don't go down well
[10:44] <Laughed> hmm, thats all good and well. but I never said that, implied or otherwise
[10:45] <Hobbsee> [22:02] <Laughed> I came here for help
[10:45] <Hobbsee> [22:02] <Laughed> I came here for help
[10:45] <Hobbsee> gah
[10:45] <Hobbsee> [22:02] <l815> Laughed, if everyone was as demanding as you, no one would be helped
[10:45] <Hobbsee> [22:02] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Hold on...
[10:46] <Hobbsee> [22:02] <Flare183> kenro: you got that right
[10:46] <Hobbsee> [22:02] <Laughed> 1815 ive been here for an hour
[10:46] <Hobbsee> [22:02] <Laughed> I didnt realize there was a number i was supposed to take
[10:46] <Hobbsee> [22:02] <l815> Laughed, and there are 1246 people here
[10:46] <Hobbsee> [22:02] <Laughed> or a line i was supposed to get
[10:46] <Laughed> your missing entries
[10:46] <Hobbsee> [22:03] <Laughed> okay where is the line

[10:46] <Laughed> and I came here for help
[10:46] <Hobbsee> yeah.  want the full log?
[10:46] <Hobbsee> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/03/05/%23ubuntu.txt
[10:46] <Laughed> Sure
[10:46] <Hobbsee> so did most of the other poeple there.
[10:46] <Hobbsee> you got at least some help.
[10:47] <Laughed> so why am / was I being given a hard time for it
[10:47]  * Hobbsee didn't want to spam out the channel with too many lines
[10:47] <Laughed> it seemed I was being givne a hard time because I am an ATI user
[10:47] <Hobbsee> because demanding people help you won't get you overly far.
[10:47] <Hobbsee> no, not really.  how many people in that channel do you think know about advanced ati issues anyway?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> most cards just work
[10:48] <Laughed> how many people would have been able to figure out it was just a matter of deleting plash"from the boot line
[10:48] <Laughed> splash
[10:48] <Hobbsee> probably not a lot - especially as that only works for some people.
[10:48] <Hobbsee> and why mangle with the options, if it happens to work for them
[10:49] <Laughed> I dont get the last point
[10:49] <Hobbsee> you ceratinly got help, from those forum threads you were given.  apparently they worked.
[10:49] <Laughed> No
[10:49] <Hobbsee> mangling with grub.conf, with taking out splash
[10:49] <Laughed> I actually found the answer in a thread that was  a year old. It was a thread / post I created
[10:49] <Laughed> when I first tried using ubuntu a year ago
[10:50] <Laughed> So I am not sure what articles you think helped me
[10:50] <Laughed> and no one in this chat room gave me a thread to the forums
[10:50] <Hobbsee> well, you clearly got your answer somewhere
[10:50] <Laughed> yes i did
[10:51] <Laughed> and I have more questions
[10:51] <Laughed> is this not where I should be to get those questions answered???
[10:51] <ubotu> Stuar[T] called the ops in #ubuntu (Lartza_)
[10:51] <ubotu> Stuar[T] called the ops in #ubuntu (prince_jammys)
[10:52] <Laughed> Dealing with Sparrow,Jack was more about him exhibiting power, control... not about finding a resolution or common ground... not like our conversation here
[10:52] <ubotu> Stuar[T] called the ops in #ubuntu (Javid)
[10:52] <Hobbsee> damn people on the koolaid again
[10:52] <jpatrick> blimet
[10:52] <jpatrick> -y*
[10:53] <Mez> lol
[10:53] <Hobbsee> are moshe and stuar[t] the same person, btw?
[10:54] <Mez> probable
[10:54] <Hobbsee> they're acting in the same brain-deaded way
[10:54] <Mez> s/e/y/
[10:56]  * Hobbsee pinches the alcohol.
[10:56] <Laughed> you should dry your fingers off. You dont want to mess up your keyboard
[10:58] <Laughed> You are banned from #ubuntu
[10:58] <Laughed> :-(
[10:59] <Seveas> --> MohammadBoozary<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[10:59] <Hobbsee> Laughed: i'm happy to lift the ban, but please remember that a lot of people wan't help, most people in there don't know the answers to all problems, and that you may find a better solution using another method of support (see ubuntu.com/support)
[11:00] <Laughed> Copy
[11:00] <Laughed> :-D
[11:01] <Hobbsee> hmm?
[11:03] <Hobbsee> Seveas: hah.  i thought that might be coming.
[11:03] <Seveas> Hobbsee, :)
[11:03] <Hobbsee> Seveas: especially after the mac sales....
[11:11] <ubotu> alabamas called the ops in #ubuntu (prince_jammys)
[11:12] <jpatrick> not again!!
[11:12] <Hobbsee> what is *with* these people today?
[11:12]  * Gary passes Hobbsee a mug of hot chocolate
[11:12] <Hobbsee> hehe, thanks
[11:13] <Hobbsee> i think i'll get my kickban quota for the next month doing this
[11:13] <Hobbsee> Gary: is this guy just using continuous proxies?
[11:14] <Gary> yeah, he'll be next to impossible to keep off the network, by the looks of it
[11:15] <Hobbsee> Gary: want to start klining him or something then?
[11:15]  * Gary cannot do them yet :'(
[11:15] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:32] <ubotu> johnhoseloa called the ops in #ubuntu (mnemo)
[11:32] <ubotu> jpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu (johnhoseloa)
[11:33] <jpatrick> help....
[11:33] <ubotu> johnhoseloa called the ops in #ubuntu (jpatrick)
[11:33] <Amaranth> shit ban list full
[11:33] <Amaranth> !ops | clear ban list
[11:33] <ubotu> clear ban list: Help! Channel emergency!   Seveas hehe, thats like for ten year olds
[11:39] <Amaranth> Seveas: I feel sorry for those irssi users
[11:39] <jpatrick> Amaranth: why?
[11:39] <Amaranth> ban management
[11:40] <Gary> thats the problem I have
[11:40] <Gary> irssi wins on so much, yet fails at a few things
[11:41] <Amaranth> xchat-gnome is the same :P
[11:41] <Amaranth> i now have Amaranth_ in #ubuntu with xchat
[11:41] <Gary> i'm on the work laptop (windows) irssi in putty/screen
[11:42] <Gary> work lappy is ultraportable :-)
[11:42] <Gary> Seveas: can you write a chanserv.py for irssi please :-)
[11:43] <Hobbsee> there's already ban.pl
[11:44] <Gary> I have auto_bleh.pl, but no idea except /ab and /at on how to use it
[11:45] <jpatrick> Gary: what version of auto_bleh.pl?
[11:45] <Gary> tomaws one
[11:46] <jpatrick> Gary: I use no0tic's and it's pretty useful: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58861/
[11:48] <XiXaQ> could someone please unban me? I was kicked and banned yesterday because of a tab completion error.
[11:49] <Gary> jpatrick: they still don't seem to have a unban optio :'(
[11:49] <ubotu> Aranel called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[11:49] <Seveas> XiXaQ, ctcp's should not be sent to channels
[11:49] <Seveas> any channels
[11:49] <Seveas> so if you think it's a tab completion error, think again
[11:49] <XiXaQ> much better to use a target list you mean?
[11:50] <Seveas> no, just don't send ctcp's
[11:50] <Seveas> it's mostly useless
[11:50] <XiXaQ> really?
[11:50] <Seveas> yes.
[11:51] <Seveas> except for CTCP action ofcourse
[11:51] <Amaranth> CTCPs just annoy people
[11:51] <XiXaQ> hehe, ok. I don't mind.
[11:51] <Hobbsee> XiXaQ: are you using irssi?
[11:51] <Hobbsee> no
[11:51] <Hobbsee> strange
[11:51] <XiXaQ> Hobbsee, you know that.
[11:52] <Hobbsee> yeah, ctcp lagged.
[11:52] <XiXaQ> why are you wasting my time asking which client I'm using? You know my client will respond to that question for me.
[11:57] <XiXaQ> but that's ok. Cursing and making fun of people leads to a warning. A ctcp leads to a kickban. Weird policy.
[11:58] <Hobbsee> ....because my client lagged.
[11:58] <Hobbsee> fail @ reading comprehension, apparently.
[12:03] <XiXaQ> perhaps someone should consider documenting the rules for the channels...
[12:03] <jpatrick> !guidelines > XiXaQ
[12:03] <XiXaQ> I've read that.
[12:03] <XiXaQ> it doesn't say anything about ctcps being a permban offence.
[12:05] <Amaranth> oh jeez, not this again
[12:05] <Amaranth> XiXaQ: There are no hard rules
[12:05] <Amaranth> XiXaQ: It is just a general "use common sense and don't be a jerk"
[12:05] <jpatrick> Seveas: -b nzk*!*@* ?
[12:05] <Amaranth> CTCP to the entire channel is being a jerk
[12:06] <XiXaQ> wow..
[12:06] <Seveas> jpatrick, /cs autorem #ubuntu list :)
[12:06] <jpatrick> Seveas: right
[12:06] <Amaranth> XiXaQ: An exact statement of what to do and what not to do would be a book
[12:06] <XiXaQ> if channel ctcps are such a bad thing, I wonder why no ircds implements any way of blocking them like they do for colors and such.
[12:07] <Amaranth> They do, actually
[12:07] <Amaranth> freenode has a mode to let users block CTCPs
[12:07] <XiXaQ> that's not a channel mode is it?
[12:07] <XiXaQ> channel mode c is fairly common.  Good point.
[12:10] <Amaranth> Although it would be possible to block everything except that
[12:10] <Seveas> of course
[12:10] <Seveas> your point is more reasonable
[12:10] <XiXaQ> wow, I'm a jerk and I'm stupid...  I see no problems with that as long as it's for a reason.
[12:12] <Seveas> there's no good reason
[12:12] <XiXaQ> how do you know?
[12:12] <Seveas> name one
[12:12] <Amaranth> XiXaQ: What reason do you have for knowing my latency, what time it is, or what IRC client I'm using?
[12:12] <Seveas> give me one good reason why it's ok and I'll unban you
[12:13] <Seveas> Amaranth, client could be useful for support
[12:13] <Seveas> but you don't need to know everybodys client
[12:13] <XiXaQ> I didn't send a version. I sent a time.
[12:13] <Seveas> well that's even more fricken useless
[12:14] <Seveas> seriously, name one good reason and I'll unban you. If you can't think of one: please leave this channel, we have a no-idlers policy
[12:14] <Amaranth> Why do you need to know what time my computer thinks it is?
[12:14] <XiXaQ> no, it's not. I knew the channel was small and that most people would have ntp enabled. A CTCP TIME would reflect the correct time. Of course, I could have sent a message asking someone with ntp enabled to tell me what time it is, but that would not be an accurate reply.
[12:15] <Seveas> useless
[12:15] <XiXaQ> how is that?
[12:15] <Seveas> you forgot lag
[12:15] <Seveas> and you forgot that you can simply use ntp
[12:16] <XiXaQ> no, I didn't. That's why I used a channel ctcp instead of sending it to someone I know uses it. The most common time will be the correct one.
[12:16] <Seveas> last chance, come up with a food reason
[12:16] <Seveas> good even
[12:16] <XiXaQ> can an unprivileged user install ntp?
[12:16] <Amaranth> @now
 Error: Please don't use @schedule during a meeting
[12:16] <Amaranth> wth
[12:17] <Seveas> err
[12:17] <Amaranth> I can't use @now anywhere because the kubuntu guys are in a meeting
[12:17] <Laughed> lol, that was kinda funny
[12:17] <Seveas> that's bad
[12:17] <Seveas> ubotu2 has that fixed :)
[12:17] <jpatrick> Amaranth: we finished
[12:18] <Seveas> jpatrick, ubotu doesn't know that yet :)
[12:18] <jussi01> Hobbsee: you around?
[12:22] <jpatrick> jussi01: /whois says not
[12:25] <jussi01> jpatrick: yeah, i know. she was 25 mins ago, but all is good. :)
[12:25] <jpatrick> jussi01: is it related to "Gave your name" ?
[12:28] <XiXaQ> there is an interesting document located at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct which I feel is fairly relevant..
[12:30] <jpatrick> XiXaQ: yes, we've all read it before several times and signed it
[12:31] <XiXaQ> saying that people are stupid and jerks because they disagree with unwritten rules is certainly in direct contrast with the second paragraph. Kicking and banning people without any warning, does that help people to feel secure and and comfortable?
[12:31] <jussi01> jpatrick: yes and no. I would have mentioned that, but I wanted to speak to her about something else also. :)
[12:44] <jussi01> XiXaQ: I havent participated in this conversation, as I have only been here for part of it. But from reading back a little, I see you ctcp'd a whole channel, just to get an "accurate" time. As you have been told, there is absolutely no need for thas, as accurate times are available in many other places. To me, it is clear you are now trolling, please now remove yourself from the channel.
[13:10] <ompaul> XiXaQ, there is no good reason to use ctcp to a channel other than if you are all the people in it alone - anything else is somewhere between rude and invasive of other peoples privacy - please leave this channel now
[13:10] <XiXaQ> I am not trolling, and I think you're misunderstanding. What happened yesterday is fine. I accept and respect the rules of the channel. After all, it's a very big channel and all big channels must have rules. What I'm saying, is that I think a user should get a warning the first time he or she violates an unwritten rule.
[13:11] <ompaul> XiXaQ, and a user should bring their common sense with them to irc
[13:11] <XiXaQ> yes, of course.
[13:11] <ompaul> XiXaQ,  now I ask again - please leave this channel now
[13:12] <XiXaQ> I still feel that sending a ctcp time is a good way of knowing what time other users have, but I respect that you don't like it.
[13:12] <XiXaQ> ok, I'll send an email instead.
[13:19] <Jack_Sparrow> ompaul, a guy I banned on the 5th that you banned again for evading soon after "Laughed" is back and my ban has been removed (by someone) did you speak with his earlier.  You suggested that I not lift it and that we let it expire naturally?
[13:19] <ompaul> no I did not
[13:20] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, there was a call for bans to be removed earlier the ban list was full
[13:21] <Jack_Sparrow><EMAIL_ADDRESS>. np he seems to be behaving himself, just wanted to understand...
[13:22] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, scroll back is your friend ;-)
[13:22]  * ompaul runs
[13:22] <ompaul> ohh you joined after I did
[13:31] <jussi01> !-ati
[13:31] <ubotu> ati is <alias> binarydriver - added by apokryphos on 2006-06-18 00:21:15
[13:31] <jussi01> !binarydriver
[13:31] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[13:32] <ompaul> !-nvidia
[13:32] <ubotu> nvidia is <alias> binarydriver - added by apokryphos on 2006-06-18 00:21:10
[13:33] <ompaul> long living ;-)
[13:33] <jussi01>  !no, binarydriver is <reply>To install the Ati/NVidia/Matrox drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[13:33] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, jussi01 said:  !no, binarydriver is <reply>To install the Ati/NVidia/Matrox drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[13:33] <jussi01> comments?
[13:33] <jussi01> hmmm
[13:33] <ompaul> you are not logged in
[13:33] <ompaul> ehh
[13:33] <ompaul> really though I think maybe there is a better way
[13:33] <ompaul> let me think for a moment
[13:34] <jussi01> no, I thought the space in front would tell the bot not to do anything...
[13:34] <jussi01> anyway
[13:34] <jussi01> @login
[13:34] <ubotu> OK
[13:34] <jussi01> now i am :)
[13:35] <ompaul> okay let me make it a little shorter
[13:35] <jussi01> go right on ahead :)
[13:36] <ompaul> For these video Ati/NVidia/Matrox cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[13:36] <ompaul> no
[13:36] <ompaul> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[13:36] <ompaul> now
[13:36] <ompaul> that I like
[13:36] <jussi01> nice
[13:36] <ompaul> short as can be
[13:37] <ompaul> !no binarydriver is <reply> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[13:37] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[13:37] <ompaul> I know you will
[13:37] <jussi01> haha
[13:37] <ompaul> I hate factoids that are more than a line long with more than two urls in them
[13:37] <jussi01> I was thinking more like, "ypu'd better" :D
[13:38] <ompaul> !ati
[13:38] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[13:38] <jussi01> gah, I hate my own typos
[13:38] <ompaul> I wish that help.u.c was community.ubuntu.com
[13:43] <jussi01> ompaul: did I tell you what Ive been doing for the last few days? :D
[13:43] <ompaul> no
[13:43] <ompaul> but I guess you may do now ;-)
[13:44]  * ompaul has been busy with family issues
[13:44] <jussi01> hehe...
[13:44] <jussi01> ompaul: http://lifematta.com/jussi01/photos/
[13:45] <jussi01> no need for explanations...
[14:15] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[15:46] <Myrtti> picard_pwns_kirk claims to be 13 yo...
[15:47] <ompaul> we noted that
[15:47] <ompaul> we don't think so
[15:47] <Myrtti> neither do I...
[15:47] <Myrtti> but I'm a bit tired of complaining about the language
[16:59] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, __mikem said: !dangerous is <reply> Some root shell commands are potentially dangerous and should not be typed in the chat room. Newer users might attempt to run them and end up hosing their machines. Therefore, please refrain from typing such commands in ANY of the Ubuntu channels.
 __mikem, refused - would cause more questions than it answers
[17:02] <ompaul> vis that !dangerous
[17:02] <ompaul> however the sentiment is good
[17:02] <nickrud> ompaul: wrong channel for __mikem ;)
[17:03] <ompaul> nickrud, no
[17:03] <ompaul> just saying block it
[17:03] <ompaul> pming mike on it
[17:04] <Myrtti> let's consider a use case
[17:04] <nickrud> the guy started out asking reasonable questions about how to repair, then it shifted into resignation and description. Was about to ask him if he still wanted help
[17:05] <ompaul> !tctk
[17:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tctk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:05] <ompaul> !info tctk
[17:05] <ubotu> Package tctk does not exist in gutsy
[17:05] <ompaul> !search coroners
[17:05] <ubotu> Found:
[17:05] <ompaul> ohh well
[17:05] <Myrtti> ompaul: are we contemplating on the issue "some root shell commands? which exactly so I can avoid saying them here :-P" kinda questions?
[17:06] <ompaul> Myrtti, rm -rf / in particular    -- checked the channels population before I said that
[17:07] <Myrtti> because if we can think up some use cases for that factoid, we might be able to rewrite it in a matter that won't cause more questions to arise
[17:07] <ompaul> tut tut tut
[17:07] <Arfee> Hello
[17:08] <ompaul> *!*@cpc3-warr3-0-0-cust866.bagu.cable.ntl.com!#ubuntu-ops
[17:08] <Arfee> what?!
[17:08] <ompaul> you are not in #ubuntu
[17:08] <Arfee> what ya mean?
[17:08] <ompaul> I redirected you to #ubuntu-ops
[17:08] <Arfee> why?
[17:09] <ompaul> well that would be the last nick before yours
[17:09] <ompaul> !guidelines | Arfee
[17:09] <ubotu> Arfee: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[17:09] <Arfee> look at my nick now
[17:09] <ompaul> read that
[17:09] <Arfee> I appreciate that and I never do anything to cause problems
[17:10] <Arfee> besides I never said anything wrong, I understand the name was wrong hence the change
[17:10] <ompaul> ehh you were banned before you changed it
[17:10] <ompaul> so I don't concur
[17:10] <Arfee> Well if someone would have let me know
[17:10] <Arfee> I wouldn't have had any problems
[17:11] <ompaul> I did by removing you and advised you to read the guidelines - have a look at that please
[17:11] <Arfee> I have
[17:12] <Arfee> Doesn't anyone have a remote sense of humour at all, I have been an Ubuntu member for many years and included helping beta testing a lot and this is what I get, banned for a name without warning?
[17:12] <ompaul> a ubuntu member for years
[17:12] <ompaul> what is your LP id?
[17:12] <Arfee> yes someone who used it for years
[17:12] <ompaul> that is not a ubuntu member
[17:12] <ompaul> that is a userr
[17:13] <Arfee> fine user then
[17:13] <Arfee> but for years
[17:13] <ompaul> big difference - a member would have signed the code of conduct and never would have done that
[17:13] <ompaul> they work hard to make a strong community
[17:13] <Arfee> I am part of that community
[17:14] <ompaul> you on the other hand thought that you could (a) troll the irc aspect of that community and then tried to ban avoide
[17:14] <ompaul> you have not read the guidlines
[17:14] <ompaul> I suggest you do so we can have a more informed conversation
[17:14] <Arfee> We can but lighten up a bit, my name is changed now...ok?
[17:17] <Myrtti> ompaul: back to the factoid
[17:18] <Myrtti> what if it were "that particular command... blahblah"
[17:18] <Myrtti> FCOL
[17:20] <ompaul> hmm
[17:21] <Myrtti> because honestly the only time it should be used is *after* someone has made a brainfart
[17:22] <Myrtti> warning people in beforehand raises that "which commands exactly" issue
[17:23] <Myrtti> and of course there should be a warning for everyone else NOT to enter that command
[17:24] <ompaul>  is there a way to put someones nick into the answer
[17:24] <ompaul> so yiou can go WARNING $NICK GAVE BAD INFO - DO NOT RUN THE SUGGESTED COMMAND IT WILL BREAK YOUR MACHINE
[17:25] <Myrtti> ompaul: pipe?
[17:25] <ompaul> no
[17:25] <ompaul> !bot | Myrtti
[17:25] <ubotu> Myrtti: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot.  REST OF YOU: WARNING WILL ROBINSON! DO NOT ENTER THAT COMMAND
[17:27] <ompaul> Myrtti, ahh yes but !!!!
[17:27] <nalioth> i can see that being abused within minutes
[17:27] <ompaul> that particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU:  -- DANGER WILL ROBINSON DANGER! DO NOT USE THAT COMMAND
[17:28] <nalioth> it's a good idea
[17:28] <ompaul> nalioth, so should we do it
[17:28] <ompaul> btw I have to go out for a bit
[17:28] <ompaul> back shortly
[17:28] <nalioth> we could run with it for a while
[17:29] <nalioth> but again, i see somebody abusing it in a fit of pique (or just plain trollery [moshe])
[17:29] <ompaul> hmm
[17:29] <ompaul> wait
[17:29] <ompaul> idea
[17:29] <nickrud> guns don't kill people, people kill people. Come down hard on the person
[17:30] <ompaul> !Danger is <reply> (Use only in emergency!) That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: WARNING WILL ROBINSON! DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND
[17:30] <ubotu> I'll remember that, ompaul
[17:30] <ompaul> !danger
[17:30] <ubotu> (Use only in emergency!) That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: WARNING WILL ROBINSON! DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND
[17:30] <PriceChild> 'warning will robinson' ?
[17:30] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[17:30] <nickrud> heh. Showing our age
[17:30] <ompaul> !no Danger is <reply> (Use only in emergency!) That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER WILL ROBINSON DANGER! DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND
[17:30] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[17:30] <Myrtti> rephrase at will
[17:30] <nalioth> PriceChild: i'm ashamed of you
[17:30] <Jack_Sparrow> PriceChild, It is cute..
[17:31] <ompaul> I am away
[17:31] <Myrtti> should be surprise __mikem ;-)
[17:31] <Myrtti> s/be/we/
[17:31] <Jack_Sparrow> Robbie the robot.. our hero.. he invented the internet
[17:32] <Myrtti> I think I'll surprise him
[17:33] <PriceChild> ohhhhhhhhh sorry misread it, with the 'danger will' it make sense :)
[17:37] <PriceChild> what i said doesn't make sense either
[17:38] <nickrud> eh, with some allowances for country of orgin, it did
[17:39] <Myrtti> I feel like too american now
[17:39] <Myrtti> I've never seen even five minutes of that tv show
[17:39] <Myrtti> damn
[18:00] <TheSheep> @btlogin
[18:41] <Myrtti> hmm
[18:41] <Myrtti> should I clear up those bans I've got in effect in -ot?
[18:44] <nalioth> Myrtti: are they still needed?
[18:44] <Myrtti> let me see the calendar
[18:46] <Myrtti> I wonder why the bans don't show up in the bantracker as removed
[18:51] <TheSheep> excuse me, but how do I login to the bantracker?
[18:55] <jussi01> TheSheep: like you tried earlier, @btlogin - ubotu should then pm with a url (afaik)
[18:56] <TheSheep> ok, so how do I gain access to bantracker?
[18:56] <TheSheep> it pm'd with 'access denied'
[18:57] <jussi01> TheSheep: I think you need to speak to someone in the irc council for that. Im not sure.
[18:57] <TheSheep> I'm an op on #xubuntu only, not sure if I should have the access, if not then ok
[19:03] <Myrtti> oh, the bantracker has lag. ok
[19:04] <ompaul> na naaa na na na na naaaaaa na na na na naaa naaa
[19:04] <ompaul> ohh did I mention I got back
[19:05] <ompaul> Myrtti, you dandered __mikem :)
[19:05] <ompaul> wooppas
[19:05] <ompaul> Myrtti, you dangered __mikem :)
[19:05] <Myrtti> so I did
[19:05] <ompaul> and it was good
[19:15] <PriceChild> grrr forgot to delete original message on a ML.
[19:15] <PriceChild> *reply to a
[19:28] <nalioth> dirty spammer  :/
[19:30] <nickrud> aren't they all
[19:31] <nalioth> nickrud: i was referring to PriceChild this time
[19:31] <ompaul> !dualboot
[19:31] <PriceChild> :P
[19:31] <ompaul> lets see the lag on the reply
[19:34] <nickrud> nalioth: I'll bow to your experience :)
[19:35] <nalioth> nickrud: he admitted doing it
[19:50] <ompaul> guys watch this one:  <Linux_Fresher>
[19:51] <ompaul> gals too ;-)
[19:51] <ompaul> it was reported to me they had exactly the same questions all week as I got just now
[19:51] <jussi01> hmmm, is the bot ultra laggy? or just plain dead?
[19:52] <jussi01> if the latter, could we now bring in the back up?
[19:52] <Myrtti> !test
[19:53] <ompaul> vwery vwery vwery carefullly
[19:53] <Myrtti>  idle     : 0 days 0 hours 34 mins 30 secs [signon: Thu
[19:53] <Myrtti> 34 MINUTES?!
[19:53] <jussi01> heh
[19:53] <ompaul> s [signon: Thu
[19:53] <ompaul> it is SAT
[19:53] <jussi01> back up bot time?
[19:54] <Myrtti> it's dead jim
[19:54] <nalioth> it's dead.
[19:54] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[19:54] <Myrtti> WHOAA
[19:54] <ompaul> it is well lagged
[19:54] <Myrtti> lol
[19:54] <ubotu> Failed.
[19:54] <Myrtti> to say the least
[19:55] <nalioth><PHONE_NUMBER> 13:32 <+ompaul> !dualboot
[19:55] <Myrtti> what date format is that? unix time?
[19:55] <nalioth> ubot3: dualboot
[19:55] <ubot3> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[19:55] <nalioth> Myrtti: yes, unix time and my local time
[19:56] <Myrtti> funky
[19:56] <ompaul> okay so
[19:56] <ompaul> do we kick it off the network and have it come back
[19:56] <ompaul> or do we do something else
[19:56] <nalioth> Myrtti: date -d @1205004736     will get you your time
[19:56] <nalioth> it might take it 30+ minutes to come back
[19:58] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu (master_alvaro)
[19:59] <ompaul> Myrtti, pm
[20:44] <jussi01> Can we please bring ubot3  in? or if no one has power, then ubot5 (my bot?)
[20:47]  * jussi01 wonders where everyone is?
[20:47]  * PriceChild waves
[20:47] <PriceChild> !test
[20:47] <jussi01> PriceChild: its been having issues for a while, see the scrollback.
[20:47] <PriceChild> yup
[20:48] <PriceChild> jussi01: wanna shove yours into #ubuntu?
[20:48] <jussi01> sure, coming tight up
[20:48] <PriceChild> if nalioth isn't around?
[20:48] <jussi01> Ill pop it into #k also
[20:48] <ompaul> mute ubotu
[20:48]  * jussi01 waits a moment
[20:48] <ompaul> !test
[20:48] <ubotu> Failed.
[20:48] <PriceChild> or is ubotu about to appear...
[20:48] <ompaul> that is not to badd
[20:49] <ompaul> !test
[20:49] <PriceChild> jussi01: wait up... ubotu'll be fine in a second I guess.
[20:49] <jussi01> 22 minute lag...
[20:49] <ompaul> 22 or 10 seconds
[20:49] <jussi01> did that last time we talked about it to, a whole lot of factoids all in one burst
[20:49] <ompaul> 2 mins
[20:49] <ompaul> !opabuse
[20:49] <ubotu> Leave the ops alone!
[20:49] <PriceChild> it seems fine now
[20:50] <ompaul> !test
[20:50] <jussi01> hmmm, we hope :)
[20:50] <ompaul> lets try three factoids at 10 second intervals and see what happens
[20:50] <jussi01> here we go again...
[20:50] <PriceChild> ok it stopped again? :/
[20:50] <ompaul> !info emacs
[20:50] <ubotu> Failed.
[20:50] <crdlb> clearly he's broken :)
[20:50] <ubotu> emacs (source: emacs22): The GNU Emacs editor (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 22.1-0ubuntu5.1 (gutsy), package size 4 kB, installed size 36 kB
[20:51] <ompaul> !opabuse
[20:51] <ubotu> Leave the ops alone!
[20:51] <jussi01> !botabuse | ompaul
[20:51] <ubotu> ompaul: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[20:51] <jussi01> hmmm
[20:51] <ompaul> !danger | jussi01
[20:51] <ubotu> jussi01: (Use only in emergency!) That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER WILL ROBINSON DANGER! DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND
[20:51] <ompaul> hahaha
[20:51] <jussi01> seems ok.
[20:51] <jussi01> LOL
[20:51] <ompaul> yeap
[20:51] <jussi01> !stop | ompaul
[20:51] <ubotu> ompaul: NOTICE - Please stop this discussion NOW. See !offtopic for things that are inappropriate to discuss in this channel. Continuing will result in action being taken.
[20:51] <ompaul> it may be laggy
[20:52] <ompaul> but lets not announce it is back for a bit
[20:52] <jussi01> ok
[20:52] <ompaul> let people work it out for themselves
[20:52] <nalioth> around?
[20:52]  * nalioth is always around if you say his nick three times . . .
[20:54] <nickrud> watch out if you say it five times
[20:54] <ompaul> nickrud, say what?
[20:54]  * ompaul chuckles
[20:55] <ompaul> edgar alan poe or franz kafka
[20:55] <ompaul> hmm
[20:55] <nickrud> ompaul: an obscure reference to a horror flick, if you said candyman 5 times you were dead
[20:55] <ompaul> nickrud, you used my nick
[20:55] <ompaul> nickrud, this scares most ordinary mortals but not me ;-)
[20:55] <nickrud> I did '|
[20:56] <ompaul> its gone away
[20:56] <ompaul> again
[20:58] <ompaul> @unload mess
[21:01] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, recon said: !rmrf is <alias> danger
[21:02] <ompaul> No aliases for danger methinnks
[21:06] <ompaul> nickrud, Myrtti jussi01 nalioth a little test of danger did not work
[21:06] <ompaul> I got a new edit in mind
[21:06]  * nickrud waits with bated breath
[21:07] <ompaul> DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Do not use the command or utter it here thank you! (Use only in emergency!)
[21:07] <ompaul> DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Do not use the command or utter it here thank you!
[21:07] <ompaul> nickrud, comment?
[21:07] <Myrtti> 5Chuh
[21:07] <Myrtti> oh.
[21:08] <ompaul> change that my dear
[21:08] <nickrud> ompaul: potentially dangerous, most of those have some usage
[21:08] <ompaul> !no danger is <reply> DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Do not use the command or utter it here thank you!
[21:08] <ompaul> nickrud, if you know the use you will not call it to anyone
[21:09] <ompaul> you may take them to one side
[21:09] <nickrud> ompaul: but for the rest of them, I was thinking. But I am  a nitpicker by nature
[21:09] <ompaul> and I really don't want it uttered a second time
[21:10] <ompaul> nickrud, the item is dangerous and needs care in handling no matter even if it is the intended use
[21:11] <nickrud> ompaul: true. Like I said, I'm a nitpicker, and can get too involved in the tree section
[21:11] <PriceChild> heads up on mailing list incase people haven't seen it yet
[21:17] <ompaul> PriceChild, how nice
[21:17] <ompaul> well answered btw
[21:25] <ompaul> PriceChild, in particular I like the fact he missed:  there is no good reason to use ctcp to a channel other than if you are all the people in it alone - anything else is somewhere between rude and invasive of other peoples privacy  << is not asking me what my client is can be a prelude to some kind of attacks
[21:25] <ompaul> anyway
[21:25]  * ompaul sits back
[21:28] <seanw> ompaul, I think ubotu is broken
[21:28] <seanw> Idle 20 mins and I just make a query
[21:29] <ompaul> ack
[21:31] <nalioth> seanw: scrollback
[21:33] <PriceChild> ompaul: are you in awe of my word smithing?
[21:33] <ompaul> PriceChild, I thought it was very well done
[21:34] <ompaul> it said in very few words: way more went on here
[21:34] <seanw> Ah
[21:41] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[21:42] <ompaul> wow that is a 40 min lag
[21:45] <nalioth> who's got the keys to ubotu ?
[21:45] <nalioth> somebody needs to shut it down
[21:45] <nalioth> i don't think a /kill will help
[21:46] <PriceChild> I think LjL does, but he's off skiing again?
[21:47] <LjL> eh no i wish i was
[21:47] <LjL> what's with ubotu
[21:47] <LjL> i'm just in alcoholic coma, not skiing
[21:47] <LjL> i can't shutdown ubotu anyway
[21:48] <LjL> !test
[21:48] <ubotu> Failed.
[22:02] <Mez> LjL, but you should be able to restart
[22:56] <Jucato> !ping
[22:56] <Jucato> is ubotu down?
[22:58] <ompaul> lagggggggggggged
[22:58] <Jucato> super :)
[22:58] <ompaul> !botsnack
[22:59] <ompaul> !botsnack
[22:59] <ompaul> hmm
[22:59] <ompaul> see above
[22:59] <Jucato> he'll die of hunger before he even gets the cookies :)
[22:59] <ompaul> how apt
[22:59] <Jucato> heh
[23:00]  * ompaul goes slowly insane
[23:00]  * Jucato steps away...
[23:00] <ompaul> if my sed was any use I would become madder sooner
[23:00] <ompaul> hehe
[23:01] <Jucato> hehehe
[23:01] <ompaul> pun warning
[23:01] <ompaul> my sed is awkful
[23:01] <ompaul> jhahahaa
[23:01] <Jucato> lol
[23:01] <Jucato> !lol > Jucato
[23:01] <ompaul> that was a legit use of lol
[23:01] <ompaul> as was mine
[23:01] <Jucato> :D
[23:02] <Jucato> just making sure. :P
[23:02] <ompaul> but it is people who say "my machine fails to boot lol" they are the enemies of society
[23:02] <Jucato> hahaha
[23:02] <ompaul> they are the ones who need doses of Mr T
[23:13] <PriceChild> !test
[23:19] <Mez> PriceChild, fail
[23:29] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[23:29] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[23:29] <Jucato> heh :)
[23:30] <ubotu> Failed.
[23:30] <Jucato> it's back :)
[23:30] <nalioth> Jucato: no
[23:30] <nalioth> it's way lagged
[23:30] <Jucato> nalioth: that's what I meant :)
[23:59] <mneptok> lol we're having pasta lmfao