[12:44] <farhood> I need help
[12:45] <farhood> hello
[01:14] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:22] <Lord_Athur> hi
[02:56] <mhz> jsgotangco: ping
[02:56] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:01] <PWEB> hi
[04:02] <PWEB> is there a way to put edubuntu over ubuntu?
[04:03] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:04] <jsgotangco> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[04:04] <jsgotangco> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-server
[04:04] <jsgotangco> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-artwork
[04:04] <jsgotangco> well there are a couple of packages but edubuntu-desktop would do for desktop use :)
[04:05] <PWEB> where do i apt-get from (the edubuntu cd?)
[04:05] <jsgotangco> no from the network
[04:05] <jsgotangco> they're all in main
[04:06] <PWEB> how? (1st day on linux....);)
[04:06] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:06] <jsgotangco> open up synaptic
[04:06] <PWEB> ok
[04:06] <PWEB> opened
[04:06] <jsgotangco> search for "edubuntu"
[04:07] <jsgotangco> it should give you results
[04:07] <jsgotangco> then just select edubuntu-desktop
[04:07] <jsgotangco> the click apply
[04:09] <PWEB> u rock! -- some reason that didnt work putting kubuntu over ubuntu
[04:09] <jsgotangco> hmm
[04:09] <jsgotangco> kubuntu-desktop
[04:09] <jsgotangco> :)
[04:09] <PWEB> yep it wasnt there
[04:10] <jsgotangco> oh?
[04:10] <jsgotangco> KGG Marvin Pascual? Sounds good to me!
[04:10] <jsgotangco> err
[04:10] <jsgotangco> sorry
[04:10] <PWEB> i insted it from the iso - extracted the iso to a folder -- cd'ed to it and inst'ed from there
[04:10] <jsgotangco> ahh
[04:10] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[04:11] <jsgotangco> you can get it from the network though
[04:11] <jsgotangco> not sure how to update from another cd
[04:12] <PWEB> now i will select edubuntu when i login to ubuntu right?
[04:12] <jsgotangco> nahhh
[04:13] <jsgotangco> edubuntu-desktop installs the edubuntu package but still uses ubuntu core components
[04:13] <PWEB> b/c thats what i do w/ kubuntu
[04:13] <PWEB> login and select it
[04:13] <PWEB> well, select it and login
[04:13] <jsgotangco> edubuntu is stll gnome
[04:13] <jsgotangco> with just different artwork
[04:14] <PWEB> oh -- will it overide my ubuntu?
[04:14] <jsgotangco> edubuntu is still ubuntu
[04:14] <jsgotangco> both use gnome
[04:15] <jsgotangco> when you log into gnome again, you'll see some added applications
[04:15] <jsgotangco> like the kdedu apps
[04:15] <PWEB> but this will have the education KDE too;ls
[04:15] <PWEB> right
[04:15] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:15] <jsgotangco> gcompris, tuxmath, etc.
[04:15] <PWEB> will i login to ubuntu or gnome
[04:15] <jsgotangco> its the same
[04:15] <jsgotangco> there's no ubuntu login
[04:15] <jsgotangco> its either gnome or another DE installed
[04:16] <PWEB> oh right
[04:16] <PWEB> it says Last -- not ubuntu
[04:16] <PWEB> got confused
[04:16] <PWEB> ever use linspire?
[04:16] <jsgotangco> well not lately
[04:17] <PWEB> oh
[04:17] <jsgotangco> i hear its pretty good
[04:17] <PWEB> can you play half life on linux?
[04:18] <jsgotangco> haven't tried
[04:18] <jsgotangco> you can try #ubuntu
[04:18] <PWEB> lol doubt it
[04:18] <jsgotangco> you can ask at #ubuntu though
[04:19] <PWEB> ok
[04:19] <jsgotangco> you'll probably get better replies there because that is more of a user channel comapred here
[04:20] <PWEB> lol IRC is a funny thing!
[04:21] <PWEB> linux is so fast compared to the clunky windows im used to
[04:25] <PWEB> thanks again
[06:41] <mhz_ZZzz> JaneW: hi there
[06:41] <mhz_ZZzz> JaneW: do we have meeting in 6.5 hours?
[06:43] <jsgotangco> should be
[06:43] <mhz> okis, jsgotangco again. :D
[07:24] <JaneW> hi mhz
[07:24] <JaneW> yes meeting day today
[09:58] <Bart11> hello ppl...
[09:59] <Bart11> i just installed edubuntu... i did not promt me for the root pass. what is the deafult root pass?
[10:02] <highvoltage> Bart11: there's not a root password
[10:03] <highvoltage> Bart11: the first user you created is sudo-root
[10:03] <highvoltage> so you can type "sudo command" to excecute something as root
[10:03] <highvoltage> if you want a root shell, type "sudo -s"
[10:03] <highvoltage> it will then prompt you for your password
[10:03] <Bart11> ok...
[10:04] <Bart11> ill try that now
[10:06] <Bart11> thanx... how can i change the root pass? sorry i'm a noob.. just installed this to get my daughter to play with gcompris
[10:08] <Kaiser_Away> don't enable root
[10:10] <highvoltage> Bart11: Kamping_kaiser is right, it's best not to enable root, edubuntu is just not designed that way :)
[10:10] <highvoltage> using sudo you can do everything you can with root
[10:10] <highvoltage> -but
[10:10] <highvoltage> to answer your question, if you really, really want a root account, you can do a "sudo passwd root", but don't do that!
[10:11] <Bart11> y?
[10:11] <highvoltage> some things break
[10:11] <Bart11> oh ok
[10:11] <highvoltage> for instance, if you boot into the rescue mode, it's supposed to drop you into a root shell
[10:11] <highvoltage> but if you set a root password, and forget it, it's a bit more difficult to get into single user mode to reset it
[10:12] <Bart11> ah ok... thanx
[10:12] <highvoltage> that's one problem we've had with a school before
[10:12] <highvoltage> but generally it's always good to use a system as it is intended to be used :)
[10:13] <Bart11> i have another problem... i ahve a 15 inch aoc monitor and i can't get a resolution higher than 800x600 how can i fix this?
[10:16] <Bart11> i'd like to atleast have a resolution of 1024x768
[10:20] <Kamping_kaiser> Bart11: you have to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:20] <Kamping_kaiser> that should be able to fix it
[10:22] <Bart11> ill have to run that in sudo root in a terminal right?
[10:23] <Kamping_kaiser> yeh
[10:23] <Kamping_kaiser> you have to run sudo in a terminal
[10:23] <Bart11> ok.. i'll do that now.
[10:25] <ogra> Bart11, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/RootSudo
[10:25] <ogra> :)
[10:35] <ogra> there is no problem in enabling root on edubuntu, just keep in mind that all gui tools that ask for the password still use sudo... it can get very confusing to enable root through this, but does no harm to the system ...
[10:48] <TOZII> Is there any certain amount of hard disk space that we should have per account with edubuntu?
[10:48] <signifer123> no...not really...
[10:50] <signifer123> but you can limit the size of a users file qith the quota tool
[10:50] <signifer123> with*
[10:51] <TOZII> We're gonna have 1 server, 10 nodes, 50 accounts, and a RAID array of 8 18 Gb drives....
[10:52] <TOZII> Do we have enough space?
[10:52] <signifer123> for storing student files?
[10:52] <TOZII> Yes.
[10:52] <signifer123> just documents and other simple things or larger things like raw graphics
[10:52] <signifer123> ?
[10:53] <signifer123> actually nvm
[10:53] <signifer123> thats plenty of space
[10:53] <TOZII> Some image editing, documents, Newsletter files, homework, etc....
[10:53] <signifer123> thats nearly 3 gigs per student
[10:54] <signifer123> its fine
[10:54] <TOZII> I'm a noob, I thoght RAIDS were redundant.
[10:54] <signifer123> what kind of RAID you have?
[10:54] <TOZII> I dunno.
[10:55] <TOZII> I know that it's external.
[10:56] <signifer123> i don't now much about raids..either...
[10:56] <signifer123> so you really have 1.5 gigs per student since the other 1.5 is backup
[10:57] <TOZII> I'm studying up now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
[10:57] <signifer123> :)
[11:03] <signifer123> so having a raid doesn't tell you much, since theres like 12 types :-P
[11:06] <Bart11> kamping_kaiser: does edubunto have a gui for setting up the xserver like mandrake and suse?
[11:06] <ogra> nope
[11:06] <signifer123> not a very pretty one
[11:06] <Kamping_kaiser> Bart11: not in the way you think
[11:06] <Kamping_kaiser> dpkg is the gui :)
[11:06] <ogra> its done fully automatic ... normally you dont need to touch the X config at all
[11:06] <signifer123> yeah ^^
[11:07] <ogra> raed this as in 99.5% you wont touch it ...
[11:08] <Bart11> i has my screen size limited to 800x600 and i want it to be 1024x768, is there an easy way to do taht?
[11:08] <Bart11> taht
[11:08] <Bart11> that
[11:08] <ogra> on a thin client ?
[11:08] <ogra> or do you use the workstation version ...
[11:09] <Bart11> i installed the workstation, its just for my kid
[11:09] <ogra> then run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:09] <ogra> the values in there are the detected ones, so just hit enter until you come to the mode selection
[11:09] <signifer123> hit enter till the end where you select the dispaly mode :)
[11:09] <signifer123> aww...
[11:09] <signifer123> beat me
[11:10] <Bart11> i did and now my xserver wont work. i just formatted my hd and reinstalling now
[11:10] <signifer123> ohh....kinda weird...
[11:11] <signifer123> ogra: does adding them to xorg.conf actually work?
[11:11] <Bart11> yeah, i tried mandrake 9 on that pc and i had no problem with the settings anfter install.
[11:12] <ogra> signifer123, yes, but you have to do some tweaks if you want to be able to use dpkg then ...
[11:12] <signifer123> ok.
[11:13] <jsgotangco> see you guys later in the meeting
[11:13] <jsgotangco> ciao
[11:13] <signifer123> cya
[11:14] <TOZII> The meeting will be in this channel?
[11:14] <ogra> nope
[11:14] <ogra> in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:14] <Bart11> does ubuntu have some problems with built-in video cards by via?
[11:15] <signifer123> i think it jsut underestimates alot of cards...it topped mine off at 1024x768
[11:18] <signifer123> i tihnk it sticks all built ins at 640x480 though
[11:19] <Bart11> ubunto uses xorg, not xfree86?
[11:19] <signifer123> yeah...
[11:20] <Kamping_kaiser> built ins you probably have to put aside system memory, so it gets a low res (well, there's my theory to start with)
[11:21] <Bart11> yeah it shares 8 mb from system mem. have 256mb installed, had no problems with it, using mandrake 9 and 10.1 using xfree86, maybe its an xorg thing?
[11:22] <TOZII> MEETING: 08 Feb at 12:00 UTC
[11:23] <TOZII> What is UTC
[11:23] <TOZII> ?
[11:23] <juliux> TOZII, date -u
[11:25] <juliux> TOZII, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc
[11:26] <TOZII> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time
[11:26] <TOZII> lol!
[11:26] <TOZII> thanx.
[11:26] <juliux> np
[11:26] <Kamping_kaiser> Bart11: maybe. it's probably not setting aside enough memory
[11:27] <Bart11> ok
[11:28] <Bart11> how do you set up grub so that it sets my other os to be the default? it is the pc on my mums table... hehhe
[11:28] <Bart11> can i set it up so it automatically login?
[11:28] <signifer123> mingetty
[11:28] <signifer123> yeah
[11:29] <TOZII> 08 Feb at 12:00 UTC is 1.5 hours from now?
[11:29] <juliux> TOZII, yes
[11:30] <Bart11> how do you set up grub so that it sets my other os to be the default? it is the pc on my mums table... hehhe
[11:30] <Bart11> how can i set it up so it automatically logs-in?
[11:31] <signifer123> System>Admin>Login Screen
[11:31] <signifer123> then chekc automatic login on the first page
[11:32] <signifer123> and choose the user
[11:32] <signifer123> check*
[11:32] <signifer123> and for the other os as defualt
[11:32] <signifer123> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:32] <signifer123> back that up
[11:32] <signifer123> thne in there there will be something like
[11:33] <signifer123> color white/blue black/light-gray
[11:33] <signifer123> default 1
[11:33] <signifer123> timeout 10
[11:33] <signifer123> change the default
[11:33] <signifer123> to the list number of the OS you want it to boot to
[11:34] <Bart11> ok thanx
[11:34] <signifer123> TOZ you cna set the resultion in xorg.conf
[11:34] <signifer123> it jsut won't work if it over guesses your monitor
[11:35] <TOZII> lol! My rez is set just right.
[11:35] <Bart11> where you from signifer123?
[11:35] <Bart11> where can i find xorg.conf?
[11:36] <juliux> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:36] <ogra> /etc/X11
[11:39] <Bart11> k
[11:48] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in +- 75 minutes
[11:52] <signifer123> USA
[11:53] <signifer123> and i cannot goto meeting g2g before then :(
[11:53] <signifer123> where are the logs upped to?
[11:54] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[11:56] <signifer123> thanks'
[12:33] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in +- 30 minutes
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> ty
[12:36] <Bart11> who can jin the meeting??
[12:36] <Bart11> join..
[12:36] <ogra> everybody, its open
[12:36] <spacey> Bart11: its about the progress of development/documentation/stuff like that of the next release
[12:37] <spacey> i have to go to school first, i'll try to be back on time. bbl
[12:37] <Bart11> ok.. thanx
[12:44] <Bart11> hey thanx for all the help, got everything configured ok
[12:49] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in +- 10 minutes
[01:00] <mhz> Yagisan: hey!!
[01:01] <Yagisan> G'day mhz
[01:01] <mhz> Yagisan: hey!! hoo!!  hey!!  hoo!! (sound a bit hip hop)
[01:02] <Yagisan> mhz: this is a hip hop free zone
[01:02] <juliux> realy?
[01:03] <Yagisan> no, but even I a native speaker can't understand what they say
[01:03] <mhz> Yagisan: lol
[01:03] <mhz> Yagisan: i personally dislike: reggeton and hip hop
[01:03] <mhz> (very much!)
[01:04] <mhz> but... just put your hands in the air and say "hey   hoo   hey hoo.." :D
[01:05] <Yagisan> heh. so why the good mood ? score a nice fat contract ?
[01:05] <mhz> Yagisan: boooh, now I lost the mood...nope, no contract. Just good to see ya
[01:06] <Yagisan> mhz: It's good to see you too
[01:06] <Yagisan> mhz: finally starting to get my website translated
[01:06] <mhz> cool!
[01:07] <Yagisan> mhz: yep :) do you have CJK fonts installed ?
[01:07] <mhz> no idea
[01:07] <mhz> nope
[01:07] <mhz> i dont
[01:08] <Yagisan> mhz: k. http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi/our-services/small-business-system-health-check?set_language=en (english, click the japanese flag to change)
[01:08] <Yagisan> mhz: all I need now is spanish ;)
[01:08] <mhz> lol
[01:09] <mhz> i knew this was not gonna be easy :D
[01:09] <Yagisan> mhz: yeah, my wife had some trouble with it
[01:10] <Yagisan> mhz: like, every I.T related term. It's rather hard to explain that to a non-I.T person, then get it correctly translated
[01:10] <Yagisan> mhz: she deserves a medal or something
[01:10] <mhz> sure! do give it to her
[01:12] <Yagisan> so mhz, can I interest you in a service ;)
[01:14] <mhz> Yagisan: sure, Yagisan I can do ant work (a couple of paragrapsh every other day basis)
[01:16] <Yagisan> mhz: that was a nice little system I build out of an ubuntu box. BTW does the website seem slow to you ?
[01:16] <Yagisan> mhz: a book ?
[01:16] <Yagisan> mhz: I like books. they still work in power outages :)
[01:20] <Yagisan> mhz: TheOpenCd - that's the one with OSS apps for Windows right ?\
[01:21] <mhz> yuyp
[01:23] <Yagisan> mhz: cool. I'm remastering Windows cd's now. putting on services packs, hotfixes, new drivers, and a selection of OSS apps
[01:23] <Yagisan> mhz: If I knew how, I'd also add ubuntu to it and put it on dvd
[01:24] <mhz> ohhh
[01:24] <mhz> why?
[01:24] <Yagisan> mhz: need it for the customers. I find it funny that I know more about re,atering windows cd's then ubuntu ones
[01:25] <Yagisan> mhz: besides, I can fit all Win2K,XP,3K on 1 cd
[01:25] <mhz> lol
[01:26] <Yagisan> mhz: I kid you not !!! they are almost identical. all you need to do is hard link the files that are identical
[01:26] <mhz> oooohhhh
[01:28] <Yagisan> mhz: And yet they charge $300AU for an update ?? almost nothing changes, it's unbelievable. still, I can start the migration to linux based systems by putting the OSS apps there on install
[01:28] <Yagisan> mhz: and when I figure out how to add ubuntu, I can literally show them there is almost no difference
[01:52] <Yagisan> just boot one system up as the server, then boot the clients from the net
[01:52] <ogra> Yagisan, try the performance on a liveCD
[01:53] <ogra> (you can install it after boot)
[01:54] <Yagisan> I just want something to demo to customers on their systems. <at least until the gods are happy and I can have a laptop>
[01:56] <Yagisan> I've been trying to push Windows -> Ubuntu migrations lately, but I find a lot of inertia. A systemwide wine install might help get some more converts - so they can still run their expensive not-yet-replaceable-by-ubuntu app
[02:01] <mhz> Yagisan: how much could you afford for a laptop?
[02:03] <Yagisan> mhz: right now, nothing. My recent illness and my wifes injury made income 0 for two weeks, and my daughters birthday is on the 20th
[02:04] <mhz> ooooohhh!
[02:04] <mhz> gee!
[02:18] <highvoltage> cake?
[02:19] <highvoltage> did I mention it's my birthday today and I haven't had cake yet!?
[02:19] <mhz> highvoltage: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!
[02:20] <mhz> \o\  \o/  /o/  !!!!
[02:20] <mhz> highvoltage: (those were cheers and hugs)
[02:20] <highvoltage> mhz: thanks!
[02:20] <Yagisan> highvoltage: happy birthday. How old are you now ?
[02:21] <ogra> highvoltage, hey so you are 8 days ahead of me :)
[02:21] <ogra> HAPPY BIRTHDAY
[02:21] <highvoltage> Yagisan: i tell people that i'm 29, but i'm 24 :)
[02:21] <highvoltage> ogra: thanks, yay, another aquarius!
[02:21] <Yagisan> mhz: good, I though it was you drunk at the party :)
[02:21] <mhz> lol
[02:21] <ogra> :)
[02:21] <jsgotangco> highvoltage, old guy
[02:21] <jsgotangco> happy birthday dude
[02:21] <highvoltage> okay, /me seriously need to go now, wish i could chat, l8r!
[02:21] <highvoltage> thans jerome!
[02:22] <Yagisan> highvoltage: people think I'm 29-30 because I've got a wife and two kids :(
[02:22] <mhz> Yagisan: nope, maybe you saw ogra around walking over a ball
[02:22] <highvoltage> Yagisan: ah
[02:22] <highvoltage> bye!
[02:22] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I'm only 24
[02:22] <highvoltage> :)
[02:22] <mhz> Yagisan: try to walk on a ball and you'll get the feeling of what I am talking baout
[02:22] <mhz> about
[02:25] <JaneW> heh
[02:25] <jsgotangco> i still want to see a doc in progress :/
[02:25] <mhz> jsgotangco: lol!!!
[02:26] <beastie_> hi all...
[02:26] <jsgotangco> beastie_, yo
[02:27] <jsgotangco> mhz, i'm really screaming for translations now...
[02:27] <beastie_> does edubuntu login authentication via ldap server ?
[02:27] <jsgotangco> anything outside the current toolchain can be hard for translations
[02:29] <beastie_> does it support pam_ldap ?
[02:36] <mhz> jsgotangco: sorry, could you rephrase?
[02:36] <mhz> beastie_: no idea... but...ig gnulinux supports it... then yes, whyt not?
[02:37] <mhz> OR, you mean LTSP?
[02:37] <beastie_> not ltsp..just authenticate via ldap service
[02:46] <mhz> jsgotangco: sorry, could you rephrase?
[02:47] <zakame> I believe beastie_ means if edubuntu can be configured as an LDAP directory server
[02:48] <jsgotangco> mhz, doing things in docbook makes it easier for us to create translation templates based the gnome toolchain
[02:48] <ogra> sure, slapd is in universe pam_ldap should be supported
[02:48] <ogra> but you need to configure it manually
[02:49] <mhz> zakame: oh, then my answer was 'correct' considering the typos ;)
[02:49] <ogra> we dont focus beyond a single classroom server yet ... so there is no need for ldap
[02:49] <mhz> jsgotangco: oh, i guess you are right
[02:50] <ogra> it will be available with a default setup once we grow to school size
[02:50] <zakame> mhz: well that could be a bug :)
[02:50] <jsgotangco> ogra, would an am64 build work fine for now?
[02:50] <mhz> jsgotangco: and one of my 1st to do's once I have collected the info I need for edubuntu book is to learn docbook (though I had high hopes of using Moin platform :(  )
[02:50] <ogra> jsgotangco, no idea i didnt test CDs since 2 weeks ...
[02:51] <mhz> zakame: ;p
[02:51] <jsgotangco> cheers =)
[02:51] <ogra> jsgotangco, but if you download the iso now, you can very quick rsync it later ;)
[02:51] <jsgotangco> ok
[02:51] <beastie_> thanks mhz... i will try edubuntu.. talk to you later..
[02:51] <ogra> (for me it takes <20min for a daily)
[02:51] <mhz> beastie_: hehe, i used ldap once.... long ago
[02:52] <jsgotangco> mine takes longer but tolerable < 40min
[02:52] <mhz> I hardly remember the set up
[02:56] <jsgotangco> mhz, do you know this? http://www.lalescu.ro/liviu/fet/
[02:58] <jsgotangco> im going to rest my eyes first and just come back in 2 hours
[02:58] <jsgotangco> brb
[02:59] <mhz> nap well
[03:00] <mhz> jsgotangco: nice tip, I'll read about it. I used to know gtablix
[03:29] <mhz> neurogeek: hi there!
[03:30] <mhz> neurogeek: any ideas how I can contact your 'boss' in IRC ?
[03:30] <JaneW> .
[03:35] <neurogeek> mhz, EHLO.. how are you doing?
[03:36] <neurogeek> not much chance to do that
[03:36] <neurogeek> mhz, strusberg AT latinux DOT org
[03:36] <mhz> neurogeek: ooooh :(
[03:36] <mhz> okis
[03:36] <mhz> neurogeek: any news on python favor?
[03:37] <neurogeek> mhz, not much going on right now. We should be going to PyCon in two weeks :D
[03:38] <neurogeek> but i've been soo overwhelmed by work this last couple of weeks, i've got little time to do anything else
[03:38] <neurogeek> :S
[03:39] <ogra> JaneW, stop talking in such long sentences :P
[03:40] <JaneW> ogra: heh
[03:41] <spacey> ogra:
[03:41] <spacey> you
[03:41] <spacey> prefer
[03:41] <spacey> to read
[03:41] <spacey> vertical?:P
[03:41] <ogra> some
[03:41] <ogra> times
[03:41] <ogra> i
[03:41] <ogra> do
[03:41] <ogra> ,
[03:41] <ogra> yes
[03:41] <spacey> :p
[03:42] <mhz> lol
[03:42] <Yagisan> I
[03:42] <Yagisan> p
[03:42] <Yagisan> r
[03:42] <Yagisan> e
[03:42] <Yagisan> f
[03:42] <Yagisan> e
[03:42] <Yagisan> r
[03:42] <mhz> .oO(things you can do when you have lots of free time :D )
[03:42] <JaneW> ro
[03:42] <JaneW> sdrawkcab
[03:42] <mhz> read only ?
[03:43] <Yagisan> to be more space conscious myself
[03:43] <Yagisan> I could see so many more rooms if it was all vertical text
[03:43] <ogra> mhz, probably an anagram
[03:43] <Yagisan> or backwards
[03:44] <mhz> lol
[03:44] <Yagisan> pfft - that's how I read all government forms
[03:44] <Yagisan> and they think I can't see what they are reading
[04:10] <Yagisan> night all
[04:14] <mhz> brb
[04:44] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[05:56] <flint> ogra, ollie, you twitching out there as the sun sets?
[06:00] <ogra> ??
[06:20] <thefamousnomo> hello people, is anyone there today?
[06:21] <thefamousnomo> awwwwww, come on!
[06:21] <thefamousnomo> anyone.......?
[06:22] <ogra> thefamousnomo, *
[06:24] <thefamousnomo> orga!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[06:24] <thefamousnomo> i nearly gave up!
[06:24] <ogra> so whats your prob ?
[06:25] <thefamousnomo> not getting any sound in some of the gcompris activities!
[06:25] <thefamousnomo> is this an issue?
[06:25] <ogra> thats breezy or dapper ?
[06:25] <thefamousnomo> breezy my friend
[06:26] <ogra> and do you have the appropriate gcompris sounds installed for your language ?
[06:26] <thefamousnomo> desktop sounds fine, tuxpaint fine, just the point & click activities!
[06:26] <thefamousnomo> not sure, how to do?
[06:27] <thefamousnomo> i am able to switch on sound and music, from tick to cross...
[06:27] <thefamousnomo> and back...
[06:27] <ogra> open synaptic and look if the gcompris-sound-** package for your language is installed
[06:28] <ogra> if not, install it and it should work fine
[06:28] <thefamousnomo> machine for my son is not on network, any way to do this without shifting machine?
[06:28] <ogra> first just take a look if its installed ...
[06:29] <ogra> (requires no network)
[06:29] <thefamousnomo> sorry man, will do, brb. thanks ogra!
[06:38] <thefamousnomo> yeah got that man, gcompris-sound-en is installed ogra
[06:39] <ogra> hmm, then it should work ....
[06:39] <thefamousnomo> specifically the sounds on 'click on the orange toon' activity, hes only 3!
[06:40] <thefamousnomo> hoping to start early... need sound to keep his attention!
[06:40] <ogra> yes, i understand ...
[06:40] <thefamousnomo> as i say, tuxpaint is fine and machine in general: fine.
[06:40] <ogra> can you run gcompros from a terminal and look if any errors show up ?
[06:41] <thefamousnomo> bear with me...
[06:43] <thefamousnomo> a few warnings man, its in the other room...
[06:44] <thefamousnomo> says no audio device
[06:44] <ogra> hmm
[06:44] <thefamousnomo> gnome.canvas is deprecated
[06:44] <ogra> thats only a warning
[06:44] <thefamousnomo> ai is not running at full speed
[06:44] <ogra> did you change anything with the sound settings ?
[06:44] <thefamousnomo> gcomris.comf set to enGB-utf8
[06:44] <thefamousnomo> no man, just tried to start it up!
[06:45] <thefamousnomo> all other sound is fine...
[06:45] <ogra> i mean in the system ...
[06:45] <ogra> not gcompris
[06:45] <thefamousnomo> no, installed and here i am
[06:45] <thefamousnomo> all default installation settings
[06:46] <ogra> try runnning: esdctrl off
[06:46] <ogra> before starting gcompris
[06:47] <thefamousnomo> ok, b back
[06:47] <ogra> (do both from a termonal)
[06:47] <ogra> *terminal
[06:49] <thefamousnomo> no command esdctrl
[06:49] <thefamousnomo> sudo esd makes a noise tho!
[06:50] <ogra> hmm
[06:50] <ogra> dont run esd with sudo ...
[06:50] <thefamousnomo> tried, just makes a noise
[06:50] <ogra> but that it makes a noise is strange
[06:50] <thefamousnomo> its like a rapid scale, low to high!
[06:50] <ogra> it should tell you that the device is already used
[06:51] <thefamousnomo> brb
[06:51] <ogra> are you sure your sond is working ?
[06:52] <thefamousnomo> sorry, esd (no sudo) tells me its working...
[06:52] <ogra> ok
[06:52] <thefamousnomo> already used as you say...
[06:52] <ogra> try: killall esd
[06:52] <ogra> then try running gcompris
[06:52] <thefamousnomo> brb
[06:53] <mhz> ogra: i got a question ..
[06:53] <mhz> ogra: my sound got suddenly broken
[06:53] <mhz> how can i reconfig it?
[06:54] <ogra> mhz, no sound at all ?
[06:54] <thefamousnomo> ogra, we have sound, stay up and have a drink!!!!
[06:55] <thefamousnomo> can you explain what is going on in there?
[06:55] <ogra> thefamousnomo, but you dont have sound in the rest of the desktop now
[06:55] <thefamousnomo> sh*t!
[06:55] <ogra> gcompris is not using esd for sound output for whatever reason
[06:55] <thefamousnomo> how to fix?
[06:55] <mhz> ogra: xmms lets me hear just a second of a song and continues playing but with no sounds
[06:55] <mhz> (all of sudden)
[06:56] <ogra> mhz, the last time i used xmms is about 7 years ago ...
[06:56] <thefamousnomo> ogra, ill catch you another night my friend, one step as they say...
[06:56] <thefamousnomo> thanx for probs solved thus far!
[06:56] <mhz> ogra: well, that happens also with video and firefox
[06:56] <ogra> thefamousnomo, we can write a little wrapper that stops esd if you start gcompris and starts it again afterwards
[06:57] <ogra> mhz, did you fiddle with your sound settings somehow ?
[06:57] <thefamousnomo> sounds good, only done any scripting in whs(!) and php (favourite language)!
[06:58] <thefamousnomo> for another night, thanx again!
[06:58] <mhz> ogra: last thing I did was: rm -rf ~/.config ~/.xsession
[06:58] <mhz> ogra: they should not affect sound at all
[06:58] <mhz> ogra: and I rm -rf /tmp
[06:58] <mhz> but then I mkdir /tmp back
[06:59] <mhz> and chmod it correctly
[06:59] <ogra> heh
[06:59] <ogra> but you ripped off esd's pants with that ;)
[06:59] <mhz> ooooh
[07:00] <ogra> esd creates a socket in /tmp
[07:00] <mhz> good to know that
[07:00] <ogra> so if it ran while you did that, it wont find the socket anymore
[07:00] <mhz> eeek
[07:00] <mhz> and how do i get it back?
[07:01] <mhz> hehe, when I run 'esd' command I get bips like a modem
[07:01] <mhz> :D
[07:01] <mhz> for 3 secs
[07:01] <ogra> just logging out and in again should solve it
[07:02] <ogra> so esd stops and starts again
[07:02] <mhz> ogra: I have done that 3 times
[07:03] <ogra> no idea then ...
[07:03] <mhz> okis
[07:03] <mhz> thx anyways
[07:03] <ogra> sorry, but i feel very ill currently ...
[07:04] <mhz> ogra: man, no worries. I do understand and I was the 'xtreme-stupid'
[07:04] <mhz> :)
[07:04] <mhz> just get well soon
[07:04] <ogra> i will, no worries
[07:04] <ogra> somehow cracked my back ...
[07:05] <mhz> ask your girlfriend to make some tea and massages
[07:05] <ogra> can hardly breathe
[07:05] <mhz> ogra: ooooh
[07:05] <ogra> yup
[07:05] <mhz> gee, log out and get a doctor then!
[07:05] <ogra> i'm used to my broken back ... but normally its far lower down ...
[07:06] <mhz> oooh, these geeks all have back issues
[07:06] <ogra> today its a bit higher and hurts if the ribs move  ...
[07:06] <mhz> so I wont make you laugh either?
[07:06] <ogra> will be fine tomorrow again ...
[07:06] <ogra> better to avoid that :)
[07:07] <mhz> ogra: then please log out and get some rest
[07:07] <mhz> OR maybe it's time you give a11y app. a good try :D
[07:07] <ogra> jinty, !
[07:08] <mhz> if we all se ogra here we'll interact with you but you should get serious rest
[07:08] <ogra> jinty, is there any ETA for schooltool and zope3 to be fixed ?
[07:08] <jinty> hoy ogra!
[07:08] <ogra> currently it breaks the edubuntu CDs and i dont like to take it out of the CDs ...
[07:08] <jinty> yeah, sometime between the 16th and 23rd February
[07:09] <ogra> phew
[07:09] <ogra> thats late ... (but still in time for feature freeze though)
[07:09] <jinty> zope3 is "maybe-fixed" in unstable today...
[07:09] <ogra> then i'll take it out for now ... else the CDs are not installable ...
[07:10] <jinty> schooltool will just be a buxfix release of the old version that works with zope3.2
[07:10] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/report.html
[07:10] <ogra> its the main issue ...
[07:11] <ogra> but i'll survive with taking it out temporary
[07:12] <jinty> i see, i'll ping you when it's fixed in unstable if you like
[07:14] <ogra> yes !!
[07:14] <ogra> thanks a lot :)
[07:23] <mhz> ogra: I tried 2 things before I logeed out for 4th time: $ esd -d /dev/dsp  AND  /etc/init.d/alsa reload
[07:24] <mhz> it works now
[07:24] <mhz> :D
[10:11] <signifer123> good afternoon
[10:20] <signifer123> grr...meeting logs isn't up :-p
[10:28] <signifer123> hello again ,mhz
[10:29] <mhz> hey man
[10:33] <signifer123> jeeez knoppix has alot of files...
[10:34] <signifer123> deos edubunt uhas a live?


[01:39] <bdmurray> crimsun_: as a developer you are member anyway so its redundant
[02:04] <stlsaint> zeroseven0183: you in austin?
[02:05] <stlsaint> hehe, get it
[02:05] <stlsaint> (lame i know) long day for me :P
[02:07] <zeroseven0183> stlsaint: No. It's just part of my first name
[02:07] <zeroseven0183> ;-)
[02:47] <TheMusicGuy> Someone on #ubuntu thinks I've found a bug that has to do with the latest kernel that may be causing the boot process to fail.
[02:47] <TheMusicGuy> He directed me here.
[02:53] <yofel> TheMusicGuy: could you give a short overview over your issue?
[02:55] <TheMusicGuy> I just upgraded to the latest kernel. When I went to restart, I booted as usual, but during the boot process I got an error message that said the system had given up waiting for the root device, then it sent me to an (intramfs) prompt. No drives were mounted.
[02:55] <TheMusicGuy> I'm trying to find a way to get the exact text of the error.
[02:55] <TheMusicGuy> It isn't dumped to /var/log/messages because it occurs before the root filesystem is even mounted.
[02:57] <yofel> you could take a photo of the screen when it happens. I have to go to bed so can't help you anymore, if nobody else can give you any advice, file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug linux' stating the kernel version that's broken and attach the screenshot
[02:57] <lifeless> 'dmesg'
[02:58] <yofel> lifeless: that won't help either as that's the current kernel log
[02:58] <lifeless> yofel: yes, but in early userspace thats the log to look at
[02:58] <TheMusicGuy> I tried that from the initramfs prompt, but the error didn't seem to be listed
[02:58] <lifeless> TheMusicGuy: there isn't necessarily an error
[02:59] <TheMusicGuy> well, the message wasn't listed
[03:01] <lifeless> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot
[03:01] <crimsun_> bdmurray: ok, thanks
[03:01] <lifeless> may be useful
[03:05] <TheMusicGuy> I'll be back in a minute with more information.
[03:36] <TheMusicGuy> Ok, I'm back with slightly more information.
[03:37] <TheMusicGuy> When the boot process drops into the busybox terminal, the error is that it cannot find the file /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxxxxx
[03:37] <TheMusicGuy> where xxxxxxxx is my root device's UUID.
[03:37] <TheMusicGuy> sure enough, /dev/disk doesn't even exist.
[03:37] <TheMusicGuy> However, /dev/sda6 actually does exist, which is where that UUID points.
[03:38] <TheMusicGuy> If I change the linux kernel root to "root=/dev/sda6" from the grub boot prompt, I can get the system to start.
[03:40] <TheMusicGuy> However, there is an unusually long hang after my USB devices are detected.
[03:41] <TheMusicGuy> This is all after updating to the latest kernel.
[03:48] <TheMusicGuy> (I mean after upgrading from Linux 2.6.32-22-generic to Linux 2.6.32-24-generic is when this started happening)
[06:42] <trinikrono_> hello guys is there any mentors availible
[07:22] <vish> trinikrono_: just ask questions here :)
[07:22] <trinikrono_> hey vish
[07:22] <vish> o/
[07:22] <trinikrono_> can you quiz me and see if i am ready to join bugcontrol
[07:23] <trinikrono_> i am wondering how much i need to learn still
[07:24] <vish> trinikrono_: hmmm, quiz!!!!!!! :)
[07:25] <vish> trinikrono_: BC is not a huge deal ... you just need to know whats on the wiki , and make sure you set the right importances.. lets see, any bugs you've triaged recently?
[07:26] <trinikrono_> vish: lemme find some good ones
[07:26] <trinikrono_> these days i am only finding x bugs and really old ones
[07:27] <vish> trinikrono_: right , the X guys are usually around on weekdays.. :)
[07:27] <vish> on #u-x
[07:28] <trinikrono_> i was thinking to join the x-swat if they play nice with me lol
[07:28] <vish> trinikrono_: so, you got to wait for them to reply, or ask the appropriate question . :)
[07:28] <vish> trinikrono_: need not be a swat to triage X bugs. :)
[07:29] <trinikrono_> vish: yes i tend to look for packages to assign
[07:29] <trinikrono_> and most of them end up being x bugs lol
[07:29] <vish> trinikrono_: right , have you seen their wiki?
[07:29] <trinikrono_> yes
[07:29] <vish> trinikrono_: how they like the bug titles, etc..?
[07:30] <trinikrono_> i am trying
[07:30] <vish> trinikrono_: yeah , X triage is not easy. :)  but try during weekdays, ask Q there while triaging..
[07:31] <trinikrono_> okie look at bug 236046
[07:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 236046 in checkgmail (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "checkgmail tray background colour cannot be changed (affects: 27) (heat: 148)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/236046
[07:31] <vish> trinikrono_: bug title is [chipset] title
[07:31]  * vish looks
[07:31] <trinikrono_> yes i try to do that
[07:32] <trinikrono_> i am not sure what to do with the patch though
[07:32] <trinikrono_> building patches looks a little tough right now
[07:34] <vish> trinikrono_: seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix  ?
[07:34] <vish> trinikrono_: there is 'testing the fixes' section
[07:35] <trinikrono_> ah
[07:35] <trinikrono_> i was looking at that just now
[07:35] <trinikrono_> i was reading the patches wikipage before
[07:35] <vish> trinikrono_: but that is not a requirement for BC though..
[07:35] <trinikrono_> well i am trying to learn here anyways
[07:36] <trinikrono_> i can show you a xorg bug i am working on
[07:36] <trinikrono_> bug 601441
[07:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 601441 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i845G] Running Firefox crashes X (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601441
[07:38] <vish> trinikrono_: yeah , did you ask the reporter to check with a new firefox profile?
[07:38] <trinikrono_> well it was a xorg bug
[07:38] <vish> trinikrono: might be one of his extensions.. causing the Xorg crash..
[07:38] <trinikrono_> those i845g chipset people
[07:39] <trinikrono_> get a lot of trouble in lucid
[07:39] <trinikrono_> really?
[07:39] <vish> trinikrono_: i said might be.. :)
[07:39] <trinikrono_> okie
[07:40] <trinikrono_> because at first it was assigned to firefox
[07:40] <trinikrono_> then they said no
[07:40] <trinikrono_> :D
[07:40] <vish> trinikrono_: yeah , it need not be a firefox bug , but we need to narrow down  whats causing it..
[07:40] <trinikrono_> so dray told me to start asking people the lspci thing
[07:40] <trinikrono_> to see if it could be x related
[07:41] <trinikrono_> and i found this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes
[07:41] <trinikrono_> so i am afraid to upgrade to lucid lol
[07:41] <vish> trinikrono_: just ask reporter to do the apport-collect , which should give enough info for the X folk..
[07:41] <trinikrono_> i still use jaunty
[07:42] <trinikrono_> yes he did it in the report
[07:43] <vish> heh, apport gone crazy! , it still hasnt marked bug incomplete -> new!
[07:43] <trinikrono_> so i can change it back to new for now
[07:43] <trinikrono_> until the x guys need something else from him?
[07:44] <trinikrono_> wait can this be considered triaged?
[07:44] <vish> yup..
[07:44] <vish> trinikrono_: but i would ask about the firefox profile too, before marking it new :)
[07:45] <trinikrono_> there is a wikipage that has a nice write up for that?
[07:45] <vish> ?
[07:45] <trinikrono_> to tell the user to create a new profile
[07:46] <vish> the easiest way to do it , is to shut down firefox, move the .mozilla folder to somewhere else and then open firefox
[07:47] <trinikrono_> :D
[07:47] <trinikrono_> its on the debugging firefox page
[07:47] <trinikrono_> i thought i saw something on that already
[07:47] <trinikrono_> so would you of marked this bug as triaged?
[07:47] <trinikrono_> other than the profile thing
[07:47] <vish> not yet..
[07:48] <vish> trinikrono_: the problem with that bug is, the reporter has switched from ubuntu -> xubuntu , so even if we end up fixing the bug we wont know if we fixed it..
[07:49] <trinikrono_> but doesnt ubuntu and xubuntu use the same xorg drivers?
[07:50] <vish> yup.. but reporter claims no problems now..
[07:50] <trinikrono_> you know i saw something today in a bug report
[07:51] <vish> trinikrono_: a few things that would help with that bug is : knowing how someone else can trigger the bug [ without knowing how to trigger the bug its difficult to fix] , 2 - knowing if the reporter can test the fix once we upload it
[07:51] <trinikrono_> that sometimes the kernel causes video problems also
[07:51] <trinikrono_> i thought it was just xorg
[07:51] <vish> trinikrono_: so we need to know if the reporter did clean install or is just using a xubuntu session
[07:52] <trinikrono_> yes he said a he installed xubuntu-desktop
[07:52] <trinikrono_> but what i am studying
[07:52] <trinikrono_> if its a known issue in lucid
[07:52] <trinikrono_> should people continue to keep filing reports about it
[07:53] <trinikrono_> with the intel chipsets
[07:54] <vish> hmm, wondering if xubuntu uses compiz..
[07:55] <trinikrono_> hey i just noticed something
[07:55] <trinikrono_> you know the gresse monkey scripts has a response named collect it
[07:55] <trinikrono_> it is not the standard replies wiki page
[07:55] <vish> yup
[07:55] <vish> oh?
[07:56] <trinikrono_> can i just add it in
[07:56] <trinikrono_> i am not sure what title to put though
[07:58] <trinikrono_> vish: will you look at it?
[07:58] <vish> trinikrono_: not sure what you are talking about..
[07:59] <trinikrono_> this page
[07:59] <trinikrono_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[07:59] <trinikrono_> does not have this
[07:59] <trinikrono_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/488619/
[08:00] <trinikrono_> which is a response in the launchpad firefox extension
[08:00] <trinikrono_> named collect it
[08:01] <vish> trinikrono: ok.. just add it..  ;)
[08:01] <vish> if you are wrong we can burn you at the stake ;p
[08:02] <micahg> but it shouldn't mention report a problem as that's gone in the stable release now
[08:03] <vish> micahg: yeah, i had to locally fix that recently..
[08:03] <vish> heh , after commenting it on a bug.. i went doh!
[08:04] <trinikrono_> well once the reporter answers :D
[08:04] <trinikrono_> i get a lot of dead bugs
[08:04] <trinikrono_> micahg: what title do you think i should use
[08:04] <vish> micahg: does xubuntu use compiz?
[08:04] <trinikrono_> general triage response?
[08:07] <micahg> vish: I think it can
[08:08] <micahg> trinikrono: it should be something like Missing basic package information
[08:08] <micahg> trinikrono: the page actually has it multiple times for topics it actually helps with like kernel, sound, and X
[08:09] <trinikrono_> i was going to put "apport collect"
[08:10] <trinikrono_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/488623/
[08:10] <trinikrono_> i took out the report a problem
[08:10] <trinikrono_> if you guys ok it i will save the changes on the wiki
[08:11] <vish> trinikrono_: permissions for Launchpad  have also changed
[08:12] <vish> it now has only two options
[08:12] <trinikrono_> o.o
[08:12] <vish> previously it was a 5-6 options.. now, iirc there is change anything and dont allow access
[08:14] <trinikrono_> so i can leave out from additionally ?
[08:14] <trinikrono_> it still needs that phyton package thing right vish
[08:15] <vish> dont think so..
[08:15] <vish> when i tried from a live cd , i had to do nothing, just had to select the options
[08:16] <trinikrono_> :D
[08:16] <trinikrono_> so the launchpad scripts needs to update then
[08:20] <trinikrono_> here is a nice safe one
[08:20] <vish> trinikrono_: the live cd was a maverick one.. so not sure about the older versions ;)
[08:20] <trinikrono_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/488627/
[08:20] <trinikrono_> well might only be a issue with hardy just now from the looks of things
[08:20] <trinikrono_> my poor jaunty is going to die next month
[08:50] <trinikrono_> hey if someone has a problem with ps/2 mouse crashing the system
[08:51] <trinikrono_> is that a bug in x or the kernel?
[08:51] <trinikrono_> generally speaking
[08:51] <micahg> trinikrono_: generally start at the highest level, so try X first, there should be debugging tips on the X debugging page
[08:52] <trinikrono_> okie thanks micahg
[08:52] <trinikrono_> will do
[12:41] <ankur> hi , i wanted to know that can we launch apport to report bugs even if the application haven't crashed .How can i report bugs to launchpad using apport which are not crash related?
[12:42] <yofel> well...
[12:42] <yofel> Usage: ubuntu-bug [options] [symptom|pid|package|program path|.apport/.crash file]
[12:43] <yofel> you have  a few options to choose from if you want to file a bug about an application, just see 'ubuntu-bug --help
[12:43] <yofel> ++*****
[12:43] <yofel> meh, need to clean my keyboard :/
[12:47] <yofel> ankur: does that answer your question, or do you need a more specific answer?
[12:47] <ankur> yofel,  thanks for your help , i was just checking the option
[12:47] <ankur> :)
[12:48] <ankur> now , when i tried using it for reporting bug for sugar-emulator-0.88 , it said it is not a genuine Ubuntu package . any pointers?
[12:49] <yofel> ankur: can you pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy sugar-emulator-0.88' please?
[12:49] <ankur> just a second :)
[12:51] <ankur> http://paste.ubuntu.com/488719/
[12:51] <ankur> yofel,  ^^
[12:53] <yofel> right, we don't support filing bugs about ppa packages at bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ - does the sugar team have a seperate project for bug tracking?
[12:56] <ankur> yofel, getting back to you , just checking somethings
[12:56] <ankur> :)
[12:56] <yofel> sure
[14:23] <tbsdy_lives> trying to work out the stacktrace for bug 564773... it doesn't look like the source code lines in the stacktrace sync with the source!
[14:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 564773 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_viewport_set_hadjustment() (affects: 1) (heat: 26)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/564773
[14:26] <penguin42> how do you mean?
[14:28] <tbsdy_lives> so when I look at the stacktrace that apport-retrace has done (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44444112/Stacktrace.txt) then the last line points to /build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.20.0/gtk/gtktextbufferserialize.c:95
[14:29] <tbsdy_lives> in the function start_element_handler
[14:29] <tbsdy_lives> I'm sure I'm doing something wrong, but when I look at the source for that file, that line is actually in deserialize_value !
[14:30] <penguin42> is it the same version?
[14:30] <tbsdy_lives> should be... let me recheck
[14:30] <tbsdy_lives> hold on... off by .1
[14:30] <tbsdy_lives> it's gtk+2.0-2.220.1
[14:31] <penguin42> tbsdy_lives: Having said that, you could be seeing the result of some compiler inlining/optimisation
[14:32] <tbsdy_lives> ah... but would that cause the line-numbers to be off?
[14:33] <penguin42> it can cause quite a few things, like saying you're in one function when you're actually executing code from another function that was inlined, or the fact that optimisation has shared code between a number of source lines
[14:34] <tbsdy_lives> ah... in that case, without more info how would one debug that issue?
[14:35] <penguin42> tbsdy_lives: It normally gets you to within a few lines of where it happened; doesn't know that bits of Gnome foo
[14:35] <tbsdy_lives> ic... so you need to go down the stacktrace?
[14:36] <penguin42> yeh; I mean if you look at that stack trace, without understanding what start_element_handler is supposed to do I'd guess element_name is supposed to be a string that makes sense but it's shown as "\017"
[14:37] <tbsdy_lives> \0 - null ?
[14:38] <penguin42> \0 is null, but \017 is 15 decimal which is most liekly just junk
[14:39] <tbsdy_lives> not good...
[14:40] <penguin42> so that says it's likely not start_element_handler's fault, but where it was called from - but how far back the bad data came from is I guess difficult to tell - and it's a shame the tracer hasn't maanaged to find more from libgobject
[14:48]  * penguin42 grrrs as his bug won't trigger with debugging turned on
[14:48] <tbsdy_lives> bummer
[15:26] <jarlath> I want to report a bug I'm having since upgrading - but I don't know what package to assign it to. It's a USB to Ethernet adaptor that worked with Karmic, but is lifless on Lucid. There used to be a document on packages associated with certain problems, but I can't find it.
[15:32] <penguin42> jarlath: Sounds like a driver bug and thus report it against linux
[15:32] <jarlath> Thanks penguin42, I'll do that.
[16:13] <penguin42> does anyone know if ubuntu-bug -u for updates works with -s for symptom - i.e. can I tell someone to do ubuntu-bug -u xxxx -s audio ?
[16:16] <vish> does anyone know the main bug for  Bug #630671  ?
[16:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 630671 in yelp (Ubuntu) "wtf? (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630671
[16:19] <penguin42> that almost looks like a missing font or wrong encoding
[16:28] <MichealH> vish, Dont worry I have dont the nessecary action(s)
[16:28] <MichealH> https://launchpad.net/bugs/630671
[16:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 630671 in yelp (Ubuntu) "wtf? (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[16:29] <penguin42> the screenshot on bug 630751 is great
[16:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 630751 in ubuntu "text (and diagrams) garbled (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630751
[16:30] <MichealH> Yeah
[16:31] <vish> MichealH: that is a bug in maverick.. there *must* be a main bug..
[16:31] <MichealH> Yeah
[16:31] <MichealH> But Its we need more info
[16:31] <vish> MichealH: for what?
[16:32] <MichealH> vish, To replicate and Get it ready for fixing
[16:32] <vish> MichealH: when we know there must be a dupe, no need to waste time.. better use of time is to look for the main bug ;)
[16:32] <vish> MichealH: are you triaging again from windows! ;)
[16:32] <MichealH> vish, Uhh Im not asking for triage
[16:33] <MichealH> BUT IM ON WINDOWS AND LIKE IT!
[16:33]  * MichealH gets BSOD
[16:33] <vish> hehe ;)
[16:33] <MichealH> :L
[16:34] <MichealH> Copuld bug 630751 and the Bug 630751 be duplicates?
[16:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 630751 in ubuntu "text (and diagrams) garbled (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630751
[16:34] <vish> o.0
[16:34] <crimsun_> penguin42: [RE: apport] not directly, but one certainly can use apport-cli then apport-collect
[16:34] <MichealH> Could they be dups?
[16:34] <vish> MichealH: how can a bug be a dup of itself ;p
[16:34] <MichealH> Uhh
[16:34] <MichealH> Ooops
[16:34] <crimsun_> penguin42: it's hinted at in the man page of the latter, but perhaps we could document it more explicitly
[16:34] <MichealH> I mean the WTF bug and that one
[16:35] <MichealH> vish, ^^
[16:35] <vish> MichealH: no, not the same
[16:35] <MichealH> Ahh
[16:35] <MichealH> Okay
[16:35] <MichealH> Should we still keep the WTF bug Incomplete?
[16:36] <penguin42> crimsun_: So you mean run apport-cli audio   and then apport-collect with the bug number to update?
[16:48] <penguin42> is there a package explicitly for assigning test bugs to ?
[16:49] <penguin42> I've got a habit of using hello but I guess the hello maintainer probably doesn't appreciate that
[18:45] <micahg> MichealH: BTW, there was enough info to reproduce that wtf bug, you just had to open yelp
[19:05] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks for the gnome-shell fix
[19:08] <micahg> gnomefreak: np, it works?
[19:08] <gnomefreak> micahg: not sure yet i am working on other things but it does install
[19:08] <micahg> well, that's the easy part, the question is will it launch :)
[19:09] <gnomefreak> once i get the damn alias command right i will test it
[19:10] <drizzle> hi all
[19:10] <drizzle> can someone mark 631011 as wishlist please
[19:11] <gnomefreak> bug 631011
[19:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631011 in light-themes (Ubuntu) "Ambiance (and Radiance) should include status icons for Dropbox (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631011
[19:11] <gnomefreak> got it
[19:12] <vish> gnomefreak:  its not a light-theme bug.. :D
[19:12] <gnomefreak> vish: all i did was mark it please feel free to fix it.
[19:13]  * gnomefreak just waiting on a answer about something
[19:13] <vish> yup.. :)
[19:13] <drizzle> what is it?
[19:13] <gnomefreak> vish: thanks
[19:13] <gnomefreak> drizzle: its a bug :)
[19:13] <gnomefreak> i closed the window already :(
[19:13] <drizzle> i meant what package is it?
[19:13] <vish> drizzle: well we can add to ubuntu-mono package, i dont think we will be adding those icons.
[19:14] <vish> drizzle: light-theme is just the gtk theme , and has nothing to do with icons..
[19:14] <vish> err, gnome*
[19:15] <drizzle> so it is ubuntu-mono?
[19:16] <vish> yup..
[19:17] <drizzle> how do we change?
[19:18] <vish> drizzle: select the yellow pencil icon
[19:19] <vish> drizzle: oh wait! we dont have for downstream task! , select the down arrow
[19:19] <vish> then "choose.." , and change..
[19:22] <drizzle> vish
[19:22] <drizzle> what is your name in launch?
[19:22] <vish> drizzle: why? ;)
[19:23] <drizzle> does anyone know vish's name in launchpad?
[19:23] <vish> hehe!
[19:25] <drizzle> i changed it
[19:38] <vish>   "Dear Alan,"  :)
[20:03] <drizzle> can someone close 552545, the reporter has stated it is fixed
[20:04] <vish> bug 552545
[20:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 552545 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "entering an invalid username creates a loop (affects: 1) (heat: 23)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/552545
[20:05] <drizzle> can 549195 be marked as triaged?
[20:06] <vish> drizzle: you can close it too , if you are using the lp-gm-scripts use the unknown fix reply
[20:06] <vish> bug 549195
[20:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 549195 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity should give visual feedback that username cannot contains capital letter(s) (affects: 3) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/549195
[20:07] <drizzle> i dont think i have access to close
[20:08] <vish> drizzle: everyone has access to invalid ..
[20:10] <drizzle> does lp-gm-scripts have chrome plugin?
[20:10] <drizzle> also how do i find the dl for it?
[20:10] <drizzle> it says not files are associated with it
[20:10] <micahg> drizzle: bdmurray was working on a chrome version of the scripts
[20:11] <drizzle> how would i do it in firefox?
[20:11] <yofel> drizzle: install the package from the scripts ppa
[20:11] <yofel> there's a link to it on the top of bugs/responses
[20:12] <yofel> *at the top
[20:17] <drizzle> thank you yofel
[20:58] <intrader> I have an account in launchpad, trying to report bug, but it wants 'package'; however, the bug is with all packages with UI.
[20:59] <Muscovy> intrader: What is the bug?
[21:01] <intrader> Performance problems with UI in 10.04 (Reported in forum http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9782591#post9782591)
[21:03] <Muscovy> _If_ I were to give it a package I'd say xorg, but does it let you file the bug package-less?
[21:05] <yofel> apport requires packages, but you don't have to give a package on launchpad if you don't know it
[21:05] <yofel> there's an "I don't know" option
[21:06] <intrader> Muscovy, I thought it would be Xorg also, but it could be kernel. I'm in Find the right package, but nothing fits
[21:08] <Muscovy> intrader: Probably pick whichever seems more likely, since the apport info will be useful.
[21:10] <drizzle> i have a question
[21:10] <drizzle> i installed a greasemonkey script
[21:10] <drizzle> the karma suffix one
[21:10] <drizzle> how do i actually execute it?
[21:11] <Muscovy> Does it have a .sh prefix?
[21:11] <yofel_> intrader: have you tried another gtk theme?
[21:11] <yofel_> drizzle: er, check in the ffx addons if they're enabled, if yes, it will execute itself when you open  a LP  page
[21:11] <drizzle> .js
[21:11] <yofel_> Muscovy: we talked about the firefox-lp-scripts
[21:11] <drizzle> k
[21:11] <drizzle> its automatic?
[21:11] <Muscovy> Ah.
[21:11] <yofel_> drizzle: if you installed the package from the ppa yes
[21:12] <yofel> better
[21:12] <drizzle> it worked
[21:12] <drizzle> thank you
[21:12] <drizzle> i just needed to reload the page
[21:12] <intrader> Muscovy, thanks - I am leaning on 'compiz' - however, the 'effects' are 'none'.
[21:12] <drizzle> can someone please mark 631045 as triaged?
[21:13] <yofel> intrader: have you tried another theme? what value does gtkperf (you have to install it) give you?
[21:13] <charlie-tca> bug 631045
[21:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631045 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "unable to print slide selection in OOo Impress (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631045
[21:14] <drizzle> i found an upstream bug for it and verified it personally
[21:14] <intrader> yofel: I have tried other theme. I am installing gtkperf
[21:15] <charlie-tca> drizzle: does OO.o consider windows and linux the same for bugs? Not all upstreams do.
[21:16] <intrader> yofel,  it gives main result of 0.40. There are many tests, should I run?
[21:16] <yofel> yes please
[21:16] <yofel> just use test all, takes less than a minute
[21:17] <drizzle> i didnt realize that
[21:17] <drizzle> i am unsure
[21:17] <charlie-tca> I don't know OpenOffice enough to say, either. Will have to let someone else look at this one.
[21:18] <intrader> yofel, total time of 42.08 - lots of measurements!
[21:21] <yofel> hm, I get a value of 39 on my EeePC which isn't very fast.
[21:22] <yofel> intrader: add that to the report when you file it, I don't know too much about gtk performance, maybe someone else can tell you more
[21:22] <yofel> (and I'm running out of battery here in a few minutes -.-)
[21:22] <intrader> yofel, this is Dell Inspiron 8200 (an old machine that runs Windows XP and Windows 7 Ok, and used to run 9.04 Ok)
[21:24] <yofel> intrader: you might ask in #ubuntu-x for more debugging help or if you find something helpful on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting
[21:24] <intrader> yofel, by OK on 9.04 I have to add, there was no Skype, but the UI was snappy. I suspect that it is not gtk, but Xorg or kernel I will follow up with #ubuntu-x
[21:32] <intrader> yofel, there does not seem to be anybofy in #ubuntu-x. Thanks for your help. I will add the file info to the bug report.
[21:32] <yofel> intrader: there are people there, if they're online or not is another question though ;)
[21:33] <yofel> and I'm out too, battery empty
[21:36] <intrader> yofel, I understand, thanks  - when you come back!
[21:48] <intrader> If I don't have a package identified, how can I use ubuntu-bug to file a bug report?
[21:52] <Muscovy> If you don't have a package chosen, I don't think you can use ubuntu-bug.
[21:52] <Muscovy> However,
[21:52] <Muscovy> You could use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?no-redirect
[21:54] <BUGabundo> bRoas Noites
[21:55] <intrader> Muscovy, thanks that is great. I will go there
[21:56] <Muscovy> Using ubuntu-bug is recommended for when you do have a package, however.
[22:17] <intrader> All, I have reported a bug #632230. Thanks for your help. I hope the ubuntu triage kicks in favorably.
[22:17] <ubot2> intrader: Error: Bug #632230 not found.
[22:18] <intrader> All, sorry its is #631130
[22:19] <intrader> ubot2, that was way fast to find the bug report missing, how did you do that?
[22:19] <ubot2> intrader: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[22:20] <Muscovy> intrader: There's how. ;D
[22:20] <intrader> All, how do I write bots for this list?
[22:20] <Muscovy> No idea.
[22:20] <intrader> ;D
[22:21] <Muscovy> You can request them for your channel though.
[22:21] <intrader> Muscovy, what is ';D'?
[22:22] <Muscovy> A face.
[22:22] <intrader> Muscovy, no way ... :)
[22:29] <kklimonda> intrader: can you assign you bug to the right package?
[22:30] <kklimonda> intrader: you could assign it to either kernel or X yourself and it would get reassigned by developers
[22:34] <intrader> kklimonda, I have tried several ways to identify the package, The bug report #631130 had been filed
[22:34] <yofel> bug 631130
[22:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631130 in ubuntu "In all apps, slow UI since 10.04 install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631130
[22:35] <intrader> yofel, that is it (with the aid of the bot - I have no idea how you all do it)
[22:35] <yofel> intrader: 'bug <bugnumber' :P
[22:35] <yofel> ubot2 will react to it
[22:35] <ubot2> yofel: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[22:36] <yofel> *that* I know XD
[22:36] <micahg> intrader: nvidia 96 I think is known to have issues with KMS
[22:36] <intrader> micahg, I have the same problems without it. Also without compiz
[22:38] <intrader> micahg, what is KMS. You guys are way over my head! and what face is ;D ?
[22:38] <micahg> intrader: kernel mode support
[22:39] <charlie-tca> AFAIK, nvidia 96 is not in maverick now
[22:40] <micahg> charlie-tca: yes it is
[22:40] <micahg> !info nvidia-96 maverick
[22:40] <intrader> !info nvidia-96 maverick
[22:40] <charlie-tca> It is not coming up here in hardware drivers, and my nvidia would like to have it
[22:40] <yofel> afaik doesn't work though. (doesn't support xserver 1.9 yet I think)
[22:41] <yofel> charlie-tca: it was disabled I think
[22:41] <micahg> yea, that could be
[22:41] <charlie-tca> That is probably right
[22:41] <intrader> micahg, I have disabled and enabled it for testing purposes
[22:42] <intrader> yofel, what version of Xorg - how do I find out?
[22:42] <yofel> lucid uses xserver 1.7
[22:42] <yofel> !info xserver-xorg-core lucid
[22:43] <yofel> ubot2: info xserver-xorg-core lucid
[22:43] <ubot2> yofel: xserver-xorg-core (source: xorg-server): Xorg X server - core server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7.2 (lucid), package size 2352 kB, installed size 4468 kB
[22:43] <ubot2> yofel: xserver-xorg-core (source: xorg-server): Xorg X server - core server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7.2 (lucid), package size 2352 kB, installed size 4468 kB
[22:43] <yofel> ubot2: info nvidia-96 maverick
[22:43] <ubot2> yofel: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[22:43] <yofel> o.O
[22:44] <charlie-tca> heh, broke it.
[22:44] <yofel> jpds: ^
[22:44] <intrader> yofel, what is all this? gurus breaking things?
[22:44] <yofel> intrader: something like that, yeah ...
[22:44] <charlie-tca> intrader: keeps new people from breaking things.
[22:46] <intrader> charlie-tca, yofel how dictatorial is that?
[22:46] <charlie-tca> I show nvidia-96 version 96.43.18-0ubuntu1 listed in synaptic
[22:46] <charlie-tca> intrader: not dictatorial, just keeps us from being surprised when someone else breaks it
[22:47] <charlie-tca> yofel: for maverick, that is
[22:47] <yofel> right
[22:48] <intrader> yofel, charlie-tca: by the way the driver I running is nvidia-96. As I noted, I have the same problems with driver removed.
[22:49] <yofel> intrader: removed as in: removed an rebooted? (just making sure)
[22:49] <yofel> *and
[22:50] <intrader> yofel, removed and rebooted
[22:50] <yofel> ok
[22:51] <intrader> yofel, charlie-tca, do either of you know what changes regardin UI behavior went into the latest kernel? I have same problems with Suse, Fedora, etc.
[22:52] <charlie-tca> I do not
[22:52] <yofel> define 'latest' - latest would be 2.6.35 (maverick) for me
[22:53] <yofel> and no, I'm really not an expert on graphics performance
[22:53] <intrader> yofel, you are way ahead of the one used by lucid I suppose. How do I find out which version I am runing?
[22:54] <yofel> lucid-updates has linux-image-2.6.32-24-generic, so you should be using that
[22:56] <intrader> yofel, how do I find out what my lucid is running?
[22:58] <charlie-tca> intrader: open a terminal and type "uname -a" without quotes
[23:00] <intrader> charlie-tca, yofel, it confirms 2.6.32-24-generic. Thanks - but why 'uname', why not 'version'?
[23:00] <charlie-tca> because uname works, version doesn't
[23:00] <yofel> heh
[23:00] <intrader> :)
[23:00] <charlie-tca> uname is to get the kernel version
[23:00] <charlie-tca> version could be the version of anything installed or uninstalled
[23:01] <intrader> charlie-tca, as if the 'u' in uname meant anything. Unix...
[23:02] <yofel> app names don't necessarily need to make sense, if you find out what app 'baobab' is in less than a minute I'll give you a cookie :P
[23:02] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I do know linux is much more open about letting you find anything about anything, than Windows is in telling you anything
[23:03] <intrader> disk usage analyzer (according to google)
[23:03] <yofel> you actually made it, have a cookie :D
[23:03] <intrader> yofel, Google did it!
[23:04] <charlie-tca> and then there is "apropos"
[23:04] <intrader> charlie-tca, Windows tries to do security by obscurity.
[23:05] <charlie-tca> It tries to do everything by obscurity, not just security
[23:05] <charlie-tca> if you blur the subject enough, people will accept it
[23:05] <charlie-tca> It is kind of like cellphones. How many people on the street know what "3G" is/
[23:06] <intrader> Maybe some spyware.
[23:06] <charlie-tca> They know the letters mean cellphone reception, but it is really important to have "3G", right?
[23:06] <intrader> charlie-tca, by now everybody, what will be next after 4G?
[23:07] <charlie-tca> What difference does it make what they call it, as long as you are convinced it is important
[23:07] <yofel> sure, at least 3G looks better on my cell phone than the antenna symbol :P (then again, I can live very well without UMTS)
[23:08] <intrader> yofel, now you are trying to 'outshine' UMTS...
[23:09] <yofel> heh
[23:09] <charlie-tca> They could call it "goofy" and it would be just as important and necessary in peoples minds
[23:09] <intrader> yofel, charlie-tca you guys are fun!
[23:10] <charlie-tca> Just saying, the name means little, the results count
[23:15] <intrader> yofel, charlie-tca just to show you one annoying problem - click on #ubuntu, let it hover too long, get hand with icon facsimile of the xchat left column; wont' quit.
[23:17] <intrader> yofel, charlie-tca not until I hit esc a few times, then the darn icon flies away. GARBAGE!
[23:18] <charlie-tca> easy workaround: Don't do that
[23:18] <charlie-tca> Are you using xchat or xchat-gnome?
[23:19] <charlie-tca> Is that the only channel it does that with?
[23:21] <charlie-tca> I can't seem to make it do that
[23:22] <intrader> charlie-tca, you are kidding me, --- all apps do the same thing. Started as noted with install of 9.10, then carried back to 9.04, and now 10.04
[23:22] <charlie-tca> Must be xchat-gnome ?
[23:23] <intrader> charlie-tca, I have the same problem with mbbits, or google lists,
[23:23] <charlie-tca> weird
[23:24] <charlie-tca> Tried a different mouse?
[23:25] <intrader> charlie-tca, like if I hoover over 'Applications' I can make it happen, with or trackpoint of touchpad, same thing, with usb, same thing
[23:25] <charlie-tca> Mine stays an arrow (pointer) until clicked
[23:26] <intrader> charlie-tca, what I suspect, some change in 9.10 was carried forward to 10.04, then back updated to 9.04
[23:26] <charlie-tca> possible
[23:53] <maple_leaf> if any canonical staff are monitoring this channel, please contact the webmaster of ubuntu.com and have them fix the 404 http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid
[23:54] <yofel> maple_leaf: how did you get there?
[23:55] <yofel> can't find that link on http://www.ubuntu.com/support
[23:55] <maple_leaf> yofel: System > Help and Support. Click "commercial technical support"
[23:56] <yofel> that's a bug in the help documentation then, not the website
[23:56] <maple_leaf> I think it's packaged as gnome-user-guide
[23:56] <maple_leaf> but it could be easily fixed with a 301 on the site