[08:27] <mup> Issue operator#286 closed: charms/test_main should not use Pickle <Created by jameinel> <Closed by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/286>
[08:27] <mup> PR operator#363 closed: 0.8 test charm no pickle <Created by jameinel> <Merged by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/363>
[08:31] <Chipaca> ｇｏｏｏｏｏｏｄ  ｍｏｒｎｉｎｇ！
[08:53] <jam> morning Chipaca
[08:57] <Chipaca> jam: 👋 how's things?
[09:01] <jam> Chipaca, going pretty well. I still need your review on operator#364
[09:01] <mup> PR #364: ops/testing.py: Harness.begin_with_initial_hooks() <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/364>
[09:02] <jam> Chipaca, I'll probably miss the standup today, I have a conflicting meeting
[09:02] <Chipaca> ack
[09:07] <jam> Chipaca, how's it with you?
[09:07] <Chipaca> jam: needing more coffee :)
[09:24]  * Chipaca has more coffee now
[09:48] <Chipaca> jam: instead of diving into preconditions, i've been tinkering with ops-lib-k8s
[09:49] <Chipaca> still haven't touched the tests though
[09:52] <mup> Issue operator#237 closed: Feature request: Harness helper function/flag to run initial hooks as juju would execute? <enhancement> <Created by Vultaire> <Closed by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/237>
[09:52] <mup> PR operator#364 closed: ops/testing.py: Harness.begin_with_initial_hooks() <Created by jameinel> <Merged by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/364>
[09:52] <jam> Chipaca, ah nice. I don't think I gave much feedback on that one, I should
[09:53] <Chipaca> jam: latest pr sets things up for them to work with opslib because design was wanting a real-world example of what a non-interface component looked like
[10:34] <gnuoy> Chipaca, I'm in the process of updating charmcraft issue 104. Would I be right in saying that for charms running in Juju <2.8 the operator framework needs to create the hook symlinks when the install hook runs ?
[10:34] <mup> Issue #104: Symlink for `hooks/upgrade-charm` is not created when missing <Created by evhan> <Closed by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/104>
[10:40]  * gnuoy assumes it should and updates the bug
[10:43] <Chipaca> gnuoy: yes
[10:43] <gnuoy> kk, thanks
[10:43] <Chipaca> gnuoy: bah, whatever hook runs first
[10:43] <gnuoy> yep, understood
[10:43] <Chipaca> in <2.8 on k8s that was 'start', for ex
[10:43] <Chipaca> and it couldbe upgrade-charm? i think
[10:44] <Chipaca> iffen you're upgrading :)
[10:45] <gnuoy> so I think the bug is correct, if you use charmcraft then a legacy deployment is never detected and the symlinks never created.
[10:46] <gnuoy> I assumed it was deliberate hence the min-version thing. I'll update the title.
[10:46] <Chipaca> gnuoy: what's a 'legacy deployment'?
[10:47] <gnuoy> Chipaca, I'm stealing the phrase from the ops framework. I believe it to mean a non-dispatch aware version of Juju
[10:47] <gnuoy> https://github.com/canonical/operator/blob/master/ops/main.py#L173
[10:47] <Chipaca> ah :)
[10:48] <Chipaca> gnuoy: this is with juju <2.8?
[10:48] <gnuoy> right
[10:48] <Chipaca> hmm™
[10:48] <gnuoy> I've put more detail in https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/issues/104
[10:48] <Chipaca> thanks
[10:50] <Chipaca> gnuoy: this is code i wrote, so it cannot _possibly_ have bugs
[10:50] <gnuoy> haha, must be feature.
[10:52] <Chipaca> gnuoy: https://youtu.be/qhXjcZdk5QQ?t=52
[10:53] <gnuoy> exactly!
[10:59] <Chipaca> that's quite a pickle
[11:03] <facubatista> ¡Muy buenos días a todos!
[11:04] <Chipaca> facubatista: (null)
[11:04] <Chipaca> er
[11:04]  * Chipaca checks his config
[11:05] <facubatista> je
[11:05] <Chipaca> facubatista: 👋❗
[11:05] <Chipaca> much better
[11:06] <facubatista> https://imgflip.com/i/4adkoh
[11:06] <facubatista> :)
[11:07] <Chipaca> facubatista: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20160325-the-names-that-break-computer-systems
[11:08] <bthomas> This one surely breaks a lot https://xkcd.com/327/ :-)
[11:09] <facubatista> Chipaca, my mother's last name is Muñiz, and I remember the real life in the pre-unicode era, everything was Mu#iz for her
[11:10] <facubatista> Chipaca, jam, in charmcraft#104, shouldn't the OF create the rest of the hooks?
[11:10] <mup> Issue charmcraft#104: Hook symlinks not created for deployments to environments running Juju < 2.8 <Created by gnuoy> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/issues/104>
[11:10] <Chipaca> facubatista: remember manuel de la peXa?
[11:11] <Chipaca> facubatista: yes the problem is that charmcraft is setting things up in such a way that ops thinks it's in post-2.7
[11:12] <jam> Chipaca, facubatista : the code is still there: https://github.com/canonical/operator/blob/master/ops/main.py#L175
[11:12] <jam> and it is even called: https://github.com/canonical/operator/blob/master/ops/main.py#L334
[11:13] <Chipaca> jam: but the hooks are symlinks to dispatch
[11:13] <Chipaca> jam: and dispatch sets JUJU_DISPATCH_PATH
[11:13] <Chipaca> jam: and dispatch exists
[11:13] <Chipaca> and that's what ops uses to choose legacy or dispatch
[11:13] <facubatista> Chipaca, in current charmcraft, after zipping, remember hooks are not symlinks (but will be in future charmcrafts)
[11:14] <jam> Chipaca, but why is that a problem?
[11:14] <Chipaca> no difference, it's the fact that it sets JUJU_DISPATCH_PATH and exists that does it
[11:14] <gnuoy> self.is_dispatch_aware gets incorrectly set to True which causes an early exit from ensure_event_links
[11:14] <Chipaca> jam: because then no symlinks are created
[11:14] <jam> Chipaca, ah, dispatch is setting JUJU_DISPATCH_PATH, why would it do that?
[11:14] <jam> bad script no biscuit
[11:14] <jam> :)
[11:14] <Chipaca> jam: other bugs :)
[11:15] <Chipaca> need to dig
[11:15] <jam> Chipaca, ok. so it is a charmcraft bug (arguably), at the least, ops and charmcraft don't agree on signaling
[11:15] <Chipaca> yeup
[11:17] <facubatista> Chipaca, https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/commit/a0bdc74c5b2b63eff9248ad8c192a2c9f8a0f5e1
[11:18] <Chipaca> yup
[11:27] <jam> Chipaca, thinking about multipass and snapcraft/charmcraft. I find it interesting with snaps that it is so dangerous to depend on a executable in $PATH that the preferred route is to expose a service for anyone to poke via the network
[11:27] <jam> Is it because it has been easier to grant Network as a policy than granting "access to executable Foo" as a policy?
[11:27] <Chipaca> jam: it isn't about it being dangerous, it's a limitation of the security layers
[11:29] <Chipaca> jam: (there's also the policy issue of letting a confined thing execute an unconfined thing meaning you've just unconfined the confined)
[11:30] <jam> Chipaca, so find a way to execute the unconfined thing via an HTTP post instead of a CLI exec
[11:33] <Chipaca> jam: the thing is already exposing a grpc api over a socket to itself
[11:34] <jam> Chipaca, I just mean, a CLI is an API just like an HTTP API is.snapcraft is able to confine things to not find executable, but doesn't have fine grained control to say what services you could talk to
[11:34] <jam> but it means people break their confinement via HTTP requests instead of via CLI requests
[11:57] <Chipaca> gnuoy: we're going to be 5 minutes late
[11:58] <gnuoy> sure np
[13:09] <Chipaca> jam, facubatista, wrt charmcraft#104, not super clear to me what we can do
[13:09] <mup> Issue charmcraft#104: Hook symlinks not created for deployments to environments running Juju < 2.8 <Created by gnuoy> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/issues/104>
[13:09] <facubatista> Chipaca, create all hooks symlinks everytime?
[13:10] <Chipaca> that's less than ideal for a couple of reasons
[13:10] <Chipaca> the issue is that calling charm.py drops the name of the hook
[13:10] <Chipaca> that is, we lose sys.argv[0]
[13:10] <jam> Chipaca, not set JUJU_DISPATCH_PATH in dispatch
[13:10] <jam> ah right
[13:10] <Chipaca> so it seems to me
[13:10] <jam> is there a magic in 'exec' ?
[13:10] <Chipaca> that what we should do is set our _own_ variable
[13:11] <Chipaca> with blackjack and …
[13:11] <Chipaca> … built-in help?
[13:11] <Chipaca> jam: i think bash exec does, sh exec does not
[13:11] <Chipaca> but i'd have to double-check
[13:11] <jam> Chipaca, 'exec --help' says 'exec -a NAME'
[13:12] <Chipaca> right, that's bash
[13:12] <facubatista> Chipaca, the builtin help is a good idea, there's a recurrent question when dealing with this new "dispatch thing" that is "so I'm in here with debug-hook, how I call my hook manually?"
[13:12] <jam> $ /bin/dash -c 'exec -a foo echo hello'
[13:13] <Chipaca> jam: ooh, undocumented?
[13:13] <jam>  /bin/dash: 1: exec -a: not found
[13:13] <Chipaca> jam: b'doh
[13:13] <jam> nope, just copy&paste didn't work because IRC interpreted the opening '/' :)
[13:13] <jam> Chipaca, I'm not opposed to #!/bin/bash in dispatch
[13:14] <Chipaca> or we could make it a python script ]=)
[13:14] <facubatista> Chipaca, +1
[13:15] <Chipaca> but bash sounds alright for a last-minute thing
[13:15] <jam> facubatista, Chipaca we could. I know that breaks on RedHat because python3 isn't in the default instal
[13:15] <Chipaca> drop JUJU_DISPATCH_PATH, and use -a
[13:16] <Chipaca> or
[13:16] <Chipaca> OR
[13:16] <Chipaca> use symlinks
[13:16] <Chipaca> :)
[13:16] <facubatista> Chipaca, symlinks how?
[13:17] <Chipaca> this all goes away if we stop flattening symlinks
[13:17] <Chipaca> doesn't it?
[13:17] <Chipaca> (maybe it doesn't)
[13:17] <jam> Chipaca, if you change hooks/install => ../src/charm.py it would go away, but you can't do that because we want to put the "use the venv" somewhere
[13:17] <Chipaca> right
[13:18]  * Chipaca sets the venv on fire and sits back to watch
[13:18] <Chipaca> I'll write the "use bash w/exec -a" as the quickest way out
[13:23] <Chipaca> … that doesnt work
[13:24] <Chipaca> python's fiddling with argv
[13:30] <facubatista> Chipaca, you that know Unix (?), is it ok to have a space rigth after the shebang in "#! /usr/bin/env python3" ?
[14:34] <Chipaca> facubatista: yep (and they've been documented as required at some point, although weren't)
[14:36] <facubatista> thanks
[14:46] <Chipaca> facubatista: also, env -S exists (as of when? no idea)
[15:04] <ballot> Hello !
[15:05] <facubatista> hello ballot!
[15:06] <ballot> I'm looking for a way to retrieve the pod_spec using ops.testing. I see that self.harness.get_pod_spec is defined in 0.8 (https://github.com/canonical/operator/blame/master/ops/testing.py#L423). I guess I don't have a way to test this easily with 0.7 right ? :)
[15:07] <ballot> well, I don't really have a problem trying to use 0.8 for my charm tbh anyway, i'll give it a try
[15:15] <Chipaca> ballot: and 0.8 should be out this week :)
[15:15] <Chipaca> ballot: pre that, there wasn't an easy way of doing that, no
[15:16] <ballot> Chipaca: alright, just wanted to be sure I was not missing something. I have an issue with charmcraft build, I'll bring that to the right channel, thanks :)
[15:16] <Chipaca> ballot: 'charmcraft build' issues is also here :)
[15:16] <ballot> Ah !
[15:17] <Chipaca> ballot: unless you're building something so secret you can't talk about it in public :-D
[15:17] <ballot> Well, I put "-e git+https://github.com/canonical/operator.git@master#egg=ops" in my requirement.txt and confirmed it works with "pip install -r requirements.txt"
[15:17] <ballot> When I do charmcraft build, in the full log I have
[15:18] <ballot> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/jmyJh58WCT/
[15:18] <ballot> (sorry bad habit of using the internal one)
[15:19] <Chipaca> whoa
[15:19] <facubatista> Chipaca, jam, where I can read about the order of first events sent by Juju?
[15:19] <ballot> It's fine, I can workaround it easily by manually pulling the wheel in the right location, but probably bug worthy. Just wanted to be sure it was not something obvious on my side
[15:20] <Chipaca> ballot: does that still happen if your requirements.txt has 'git+https://github.com/canonical/operator.git' instead of your more funky line?
[15:20] <ballot> Chipaca: let me try
[15:20] <jam> facubatista, https://discourse.juju.is/t/event-cycle/1117
[15:20] <facubatista> jam, thanks
[15:20] <jam> https://discourse.juju.is/t/charm-hooks/1040 and https://discourse.juju.is/t/the-hook-environment-hook-tools-and-how-hooks-are-run/1047 are also relevant
[15:22] <ballot> Chipaca:  :: ERROR: Could not detect requirement name for 'git+https://github.com/canonical/operator.git', please specify one with #egg=your_package_name
[15:22] <Chipaca> super strange, i've got that here and it works
[15:22] <ballot> Chipaca: also tried to remove the @master, but then, read-only filesystem again
[15:22] <Chipaca> ballot: this is with charmcraft 0.3 from the snap, yes?
[15:23] <ballot> Chipaca: yes
[15:23] <Chipaca> facubatista: ^ any ideas?
[15:23] <ballot> Chipaca: I think I know what happens, I just need to find in pip where is the default location for pulling the dependencies
[15:24] <ballot> Chipaca: ah, that's the "-e"
[15:24] <ballot> Chipaca: it works without the "-e"
[15:24] <Chipaca> augh
[15:24] <ballot> yeah right, makes sense
[15:24] <Chipaca> i totally ignored that :-)
[15:24]  * Chipaca needs a better parser in his brain
[15:24] <facubatista> the -e tries to install it in your home or something?
[15:24] <Chipaca> it's the "develop" thing
[15:25] <facubatista> Chipaca, I though it was why you suggested to use a simpler line
[15:25] <ballot> It's to point toward the module you're working on so you don't have to update your env
[15:25] <ballot> facubatista: yes, I missread, and did remove the "-e"
[15:25] <Chipaca> yep, like 'python setup.py develop'
[15:26] <Chipaca> ballot: but if you did that for a charm, you'd end up with a .pth and not the actual code you need inside your charm, right?
[15:26] <ballot> anyway, I don't think using -e makes sense for a charm anyway
[15:26] <ballot> Chipaca: yeah, it was merely a bad habit on my side
[15:27] <Chipaca> sounds like an argument against charmcraft supporting 'full' requirement.txt
[15:27] <Chipaca> :-/
[15:27]  * Chipaca oh noes
[15:27] <ballot> sorry :/
[15:27] <Chipaca> facubatista: maybe we should detect and fail early or with a clearer message
[15:28] <ballot> Chipaca: does charmcraft support constraints files ?
[15:28] <Chipaca> ballot: no
[15:28] <facubatista> Chipaca, let's use fades, that doesn't support "-e" :p
[15:29] <Chipaca> ballot: but not because of philosophical reasons, just nobody's asked us :-)
[15:30] <ballot> Chipaca: well, "priorities" :)
[15:31] <ballot> Chipaca: I'm not sure it's worth spending time on it right now. The only use case I see is if the application code and charm are hosted on the same repository, then to limit in one place some module version for the app, the charm and the tests, it's better to use constraints rather than repeating the limitation in all requirements.txt
[15:33] <Chipaca> k
[15:33] <Chipaca> i need to step out (physio! here's hoping for a better back)
[15:35] <ballot> Chipaca: np, thanks !:
[15:35] <ballot> My tests are running now :)
[15:35] <ballot> (well failing of course, as one would expect, but for good reasons now)
[15:45] <Chipaca> :-D
[15:45]  * Chipaca disappears into the sunset
[21:25]  * facubatista eods


[09:49] <mparillo> Minor annoyance, but if somebody has a fully upgraded YY, could you please open a konsole, and type. Does the block cursor seem a bit to the right?
[09:54] <acheronuk> maparillo: bug with the default font in konsole I think. try changing to a different one?
[09:54] <acheronuk> mparillo I mean ^^
[09:59] <mparillo> acheronuk: And once again, you came to my help. Switching to Liberation Mono 10 (green on black, for old times sake), solved it for me.
 Shall I put the kettle on ?
[10:38]  * acheronuk will hardly ever refuse coffee
[10:51] <sick_rimmit> Coffee's ready :-D
[10:52] <acheronuk> Ta! lovely
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:10] <yofel> clivejo: yes, copy them for now. That's what CI is supposed to do anyway
[12:10] <clivejo> any ideas on how to automate it again?
[12:10] <clivejo> without the git repo name spaces?
[13:07] <acheronuk> with failures such as E: kscreen: debian-revision-should-not-be-zero 4:5.6.4+p16.10+git20160610.1449-0 would that be an issue with KCI versioning, or something to be overidden?
[13:15] <clivejo> acheronuk: they are automatically ignored by KCI
[13:29] <acheronuk> so http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kscreen/37/parsed_console/ reports "Got a build failure" and is red
[13:30] <acheronuk> but logs say build and debs are done, with only errors being 3 "debian-revision-should-not-be-zero" and "out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.6"
[13:32] <acheronuk> KCI thinks the ppa build "failed" for which?
 @Valoriez are you and Scarlett going to seagl?
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/0d5ST8at/file_135.jpg
[17:06]  * acheronuk thinks KCI has a few screws loose
[17:10] <acheronuk> !info partitionmanager
[17:50] <acheronuk> plasma-integration unstable now needs a dep on breeze-dev. considering that KCI is building breeze with a v of 5.6.4.., should that dep be added unversioned?
 * knows KCI has a few screws loose *
[18:22] <acheronuk> lol
[18:22] <clivejo> few massive bolts too
[18:28] <acheronuk> or the whole thing is about to fall off the wall
[18:30] <acheronuk> is partitionmanager not to be updated any more? no new version since vivid
[18:32] <clivejo> acheronuk: https://code.launchpad.net/~acheron/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kcalc/+merge/297127
[18:32] <clivejo> because its unreleased there no need to bump the ubuntu version
[18:33] <acheronuk> didn't notice it had, or I would have put it back to 1
[18:34] <clivejo> and this one does need a new entry - https://code.launchpad.net/~acheron/kubuntu-packaging/+git/plasma-integration/+merge/297129
[18:35] <clivejo> that version has been released to yakkety, so we shouldnt touch it
[18:35] <clivejo> we need to make a brand new UNRELEASED version
[18:35] <acheronuk> gotcha
[18:36] <clivejo> you can bump the ubuntu version in that one
[18:37] <acheronuk> stupidly, that is what I did originally, then decided to undo.
[18:37] <clivejo> not stupid, just takes a while to understand the versions
[18:37] <clivejo> and thats the nice thing about these merges
[18:42] <acheronuk> I'll redo both then
[18:43] <clivejo> did my kopy work?
[18:49] <acheronuk> not sure
[18:50] <clivejo> BTW Id version that breeze-dev
[18:51] <clivejo> but maybe our scripts would be best doing it
[18:54] <acheronuk> so something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/17224540/
[18:55] <clivejo> looks good
[18:56] <acheronuk> harold didn't version it on neon I notice, so I guess it's ok like that
[19:08] <clivejo> ok pushed
[19:08] <clivejo> and kicked KCI
[19:08] <acheronuk> hope you have steel toecaps
[19:08] <clivejo> yup
[19:23] <clivejo> oh apps 16.04.2 are available
[19:24]  * clivejo wonders if korganizer is fixed
[19:24] <acheronuk> yeah, I saw the pre-release email the other day
[19:24]  * acheronuk has started reading them now
[19:24] <clivejo> LOL
[19:59] <yofel> clivejo: well, offhand 3 ideas: 1) use a trial-and-error cascade to detect what something is by existing upstream branch names. 2) wire the CI up to our KA files. 3) Wire the CI up to the upstream kdesrc metadata
[20:00] <valorie> ahoneybun: did you get that flier at SELF?
[20:00] <clivejo> I dont know how to implement any of them, but I prefer number 3 personally
[20:02]  * clivejo wonders if we should just try and setup our own KCI?
[20:03] <valorie> how is neon doing the above jobs?
[20:03] <yofel> using namespaces IIRC
[20:03] <valorie> ah
[20:03] <valorie> is the metadata good quality?
[20:03] <clivejo> they cloned debian and use their own repo and build machines
[20:04] <valorie> seems like there are up and down sides to each of the alternatives
[20:04] <clivejo> Im always in fear of breaking KCI
[20:05] <valorie> my houseguests are gone for now, and I've caught up on sleep
[20:06] <valorie> seems like weeks since I was caught-up with what's going on here
[20:06] <yofel> I guess we could also try to use jenkins job settings for that. But that would mean manually setting that for all jobs (would be a one-time thing though)
[20:07] <clivejo> there seems to be a build complete trigger
[20:08] <clivejo> could that be used to do the kopy
[20:08] <yofel> no, IIRC the tooling chain itself triggers that
[20:09] <yofel> well, "no" IIRC
[20:26] <clivejo> acheronuk: any more merge requests?


[08:45] <W1ZrD> so I don't know if it's written through the engines codecing, or if it is simply that I can't view it due to lack of codec on my machine
[08:45] <Lustblader> why don u use a screen capture program
[08:45] <Lustblader> n then convert?
[08:45] <W1ZrD> they don't support openGL :/
[08:45] <Lustblader> it's kludge solution i know
[08:46] <W1ZrD> A forum member tried Camtasia studio or something like that and didn't work at all
[08:47] <lordofthepigs> Hello! I have installed compiz fusion, and now, I want to use the RingSwitcher as my default window switcher.
[08:47] <lordofthepigs> When I press Alt+Tab
[08:47] <lordofthepigs> but it seems I can't set Alt+Tab from ccsm
[08:48] <W1ZrD> it seems as if the engine is writing the files when I check, it says: Wrote 619:0 frames to filename.avi but the result is what it is :)
[08:49] <Lustblader> try someother screen capture program
[08:49] <W1ZrD> do we have any gpl:ed ones around?
[08:50] <Lustblader> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/03/04/screen_capture_movies.html
[08:51] <W1ZrD> n1, thank's I'll look in to it :)
[08:54] <dotz> hi i'm using the kubuntu cd for powermac to boot my mac laptop in hoping to mount the harddisk to retrieve some data.. i'm in the busybox but couldn't mount the /dev/hda9 .. anyone knows the parameters?
[09:01] <raheem> hello
[09:01] <prophezy_> hi there
[09:01] <prophezy_> howr you?
[09:01] <prophezy_> anyone online?
[09:02] <prophezy_> do anyone know, whats thediffrent installation between Ubuntu & Kubuntu?
[09:03] <se7enofnine> the k
[09:03] <prophezy_> thats the diffrent between the names
[09:04] <joey_> lol
[09:04] <joey_> He has a point though.
[09:04] <Lustblader> kubuntu = ubuntu+ kde desktop enviornment
[09:04] <Lustblader> approximately :-p
[09:04] <joey_> Come on we all know kunbuntu is better right!?
[09:05] <Lustblader> i wouldn't agree
[09:05] <espire> I pop it in, choose rip, and then the ripping fails.
[09:05] <Lustblader> %gives espire a knife%
[09:06] <prophezy_> yes, why i ask is ... i used Ubuntu in first place and my wine and photoshop instalation went perfect, but when i changed to Kubuntu, it hangs when i installing photoshop in the same way as i installed it in Ubuntu?
[09:06] <espire> I'd use it, but I want my music in MP3 form first
[09:06] <lordofthepigs> Yeah, I know a difference QTParted crashes, when it sees too many NTFS partitions, while GParted doesnt :)
[09:06] <Lustblader> same archive prohexy?
[09:06] <lordofthepigs> Anyway, is there a lower level configuration editor than ccsm for compiz?
[09:07] <prophezy_> yes Lustblader
[09:07] <Lustblader> download em espire
[09:07] <lordofthepigs> I can't set Alt+Tab as an action key in ccsm
[09:07] <Lustblader> prophezy_: strange
[09:07] <lordofthepigs> Is there an equivalent of gconf_editor for kde?
[09:08] <prophezy_> Lustblader yes, the installation went to 99% and hangs
[09:08] <Lustblader> lordofthepigs: nano?
[09:08] <Lustblader> kde is wierd at times
[09:08] <lordofthepigs> sure, where are the files I have to edit?
[09:08] <Lustblader> what do u wanna do?
[09:09] <lordofthepigs> I want to set Alt+Tab as a shortcut for the RingSwitcher of Compiz
[09:09] <lordofthepigs> which I can't do from the compiz settings manager
[09:10] <lordofthepigs> It seems that compiz doesn't keep its setting in a regular file
[09:11] <prophezy_> Lustblader do you know what this means : The central directory was not found in the archive?
[09:12] <kraut> moin
[09:12] <prophezy_> this comes up now when i trying to install the DW 8
[09:12] <Lustblader> means the archive is corrupt
[09:12] <Lustblader> or not the right one
[09:12] <Lustblader>  lordofthepigs http://sonique6784.blogspot.com/2006/05/gset-compiz-tool-to-configure-compiz.html
[09:12] <Lustblader> try that
[09:13] <prophezy_> Lustblader: how can i fix the archive?
[09:13] <Lustblader> fixing an archive is darn hard
[09:14] <prophezy_> any idea? reinstall?
[09:14] <Lustblader> download again
[09:14] <Lustblader> then try
[09:14] <prophezy_> download what?
[09:14] <Lustblader> the archive
[09:15] <prophezy_> oh i didnt know that, the archive can be ownload, from where can i download it?
[09:16] <momal> Just wondering if anyone has set up 5.1 sound under kubuntu? I set it up and added some things into asound file in ~/ seems it all works but the front speaker no sound comes from the other 4 + sub work fine. Anyone have suggestions on what to try/do to help you know th eproblem
[09:16] <prophezy_> momal : sorry im new in Kubuntu ;)
[09:18] <lordofthepigs> stupid china, blogspot is blocked!!
[09:18] <Lustblader> use www.stupidcensorship.com
[09:19] <robotgeek> momal: if you use amarok/kaffeine, you might just be able to set the output to 5.1
[09:20] <robotgeek> momal: Settings -> Configure Amarok -> Engine -> Speaker Arrangement
[09:20] <momal> robotgeek: Yea that is set but still nothing from middle speaker :(.. The speaker does work when i changed it's plug around and i tried it under windows and it worked fine.
[09:20] <robotgeek> momal: i also recommend installing Alsamixergui , it has a list of all the controls for your speakers
[09:21] <momal> robotgeek: Yup have that as well and set everything up and not muted :)
[09:21] <robotgeek> momal: well, the least i can do is post my .asoundrc
[09:21] <lordofthepigs> Lustblader: Already have Tor :)
[09:22] <momal> robotgeek: yea try post that and if its different i'll set it to yours and try :)
[09:22] <robotgeek> momal: http://rafb.net/p/Il2ytR43.html
[09:24] <robotgeek> momal: i'm heading off to bed, take a look at the alsa wiki, i guess
[09:24] <lordofthepigs> Ok, I just found out that netbeans gives me a blank window when using compiz
[09:24] <momal> robotgeek: ahh ok thanks anyhow will try that thne look further on the net if still wont work
[09:24] <lordofthepigs> and that there was a fix in Java 6 update 1
[09:24] <lordofthepigs> how can I update my java version without waiting for gutsy?
[09:26] <lordofthepigs> or can I point apt to the gutsy repository only for sun-java packages?
[09:28] <dotz> is ubuntu base on gnome?
[09:28] <yarou> yeah
[09:28] <Lustblader> by fellaz
[09:28] <Lustblader> lunch time here
[09:28] <Lustblader> ta'h
[09:29] <yarou> does anyone know how i can set hw:1,1 as my default sound card?
[09:36] <busfahrer> Anybody else got the update for BIND in Adept Updater?
[09:36] <jenny_> I have a question
[09:37] <jenny_> never used konversation before so i dont know if i am allowed to just ask or what
[09:38] <prophezy_> Jenny just ask :)
[09:38] <KNRO> don't ask to ask!
[09:38] <prophezy_> lolz
[09:38] <jenny_> whats a .rar
[09:38] <yarou> it's a compression format
[09:38] <yarou> proprietary
[09:38] <jenny_> how do you open it
[09:39] <prophezy_> with 7z
[09:39] <jenny_> whats that
[09:39] <se7enofnine> sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[09:39] <prophezy_> a  program to open, rar, zip and so on
[09:39] <lordofthepigs> how can I use Gusty's java6 packages in feisty?
[09:40] <jenny_> i have to download that from the web huh
[09:40] <yarou> no
[09:40] <yarou> just open up a terminal
[09:40] <prophezy_> Jenny no need to download it, you can install it from the add/remove if you havent done it
[09:40] <yarou> and type what se7enofnine said
[09:42] <jenny_> it said Package unrar-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:42] <jenny_> Package unrar-nonfree has no installation candidate
[09:42] <se7enofnine> unrar should do
[09:43] <yarou> anyone know why kde4base-dev crashes dpkg?
[09:43] <se7enofnine> sudo apt-get install unrar
[09:44] <lordofthepigs> seems feisty-backports might be a solution
[09:44] <jenny_> so basically this is just a rm of ppl getn help?
[09:44] <yarou> already enabled in my apt sources file
[09:45] <se7enofnine> jenny does unrar work?
[09:45] <prophezy_> Jenny you can get help and make friends ;)
[09:45] <jenny_> it said it installed, gonna try to open the file
[09:45] <se7enofnine> should open with ark now
[09:46] <prophezy_> Jenny after chattin a couple of times you may have blind date :P
[09:46] <jenny_> really? cool ;)
[09:46] <jenny_> hm still didnt wk
[09:47] <yarou> i'm a girl too, sometimes
[09:47] <jenny_> it looks right but didnt play
[09:47] <prophezy_> lolz @ yarou
[09:48] <prophezy_> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:48] <prophezy_> now my Photoshop is in function !
[09:49] <prophezy_> bad bad bad archive, payin with me like that :P
[09:49] <prophezy_> playin
[09:50] <jenny_> is there somethin else im supposed to be doin to make it play
[09:51] <se7enofnine> jenny extract the files and (play them)
[09:51] <yarou> hmm, i wonder how long Qt takes to compile
[09:52] <jenny_> i'm not sure how to extract files (red faced)
[09:52] <matahari> hi
[09:52] <matahari> i have some problems at the installation of kubuntu feisty.
[09:53] <prophezy_> Jenny you still cant open rar files?
[09:53] <matahari> The Installer hangs up all the time at 85% when he installs openoffice.org-java-common
[09:53] <yarou> maybe the fairies will help
[09:53] <jenny_> shakes head no
[09:53] <matahari> i'm using the alternate cd
[09:54] <se7enofnine> matahari: i had the same problem
[09:54] <prophezy_> Jenny : haved you tried to reinstall the 7z in add/remove programs
[09:54] <matahari> se7enofnine: what did you do?
[09:54] <se7enofnine> just wait
[09:54] <se7enofnine> it takes 10 15 min
[09:54] <pag> jenny_, do you have unrar installed?
[09:54] <matahari> se7enofnine: it will continue? okay!
[09:54] <jenny_> im still tryin to get the hang of this thing cause I just switched from Windows.
[09:55] <se7enofnine> matahari:  what version
[09:55] <yarou> use ark
[09:55] <pag> jenny_, enable multiverse (if you haven already done so) and install unrar via Adept
[09:55] <pag> !multiverse | jenny_
[09:55] <ubotu> jenny_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:55] <jenny_> multiverse?
[09:55] <jenny_> wow all these things ive never even heard of before
[09:55] <prophezy_> ;)
[09:56] <matahari> se7enofnine: it's just strange that it takes so long time....
[09:56] <prophezy_> Jenny it will comes...just learn alittle day by day ;)
[09:56] <jenny_> yeah i learned the other day about -rm files ;)
[09:56] <se7enofnine> matahari: i started 3 times burned 2 cds ... because i thought something is wrong ...
[09:57] <prophezy_> good girl :P
[09:57] <matahari> se7enofnine: me too!
[09:57] <matahari> se7enofnine: i already exchanged the  CPU cooler, because i thought it was a heat-problem
[09:58] <prophezy_> aya my torrent download is only 1.8 Mb ! :(
[09:58] <se7enofnine> matahari: are you installing gutsy tribe3?
[09:58] <matahari> se7enofnine: no, feisty
[09:58] <yarou> shitty kde4
[09:58] <jenny_> so now i need to enable somethin called multiverse? then dont apt-get install but use Adept to do what again? this better be a good movie thats all i gotta say
[09:59] <prophezy_> lolz @ Jenny ;)
[09:59] <se7enofnine> jenny on what version are you feisty has multiverse enabled
[09:59] <jenny_> how do i enable multiverse when i dont know what or where it is?
[09:59] <pag> jenny_, See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:59] <jenny_> pretty sure they said feisty
[10:00] <matahari> another thing: it is strange, that on feisty teh standby mode for laptops doesn't work anymore. On edgy it worked without problems....
[10:00] <pag> jenny_, you of cource can use apt-get too, I just thought you would be more confortable with GUI-tool
[10:00] <matahari> i have a compaq evo n410c
[10:01] <prophezy_> pag .. Jenny is very new in all Ubuntus ;)
[10:01] <jenny_> i'm not sure what that is either (surprise surprise) good grief i've become a computer illiterate overnight
[10:01] <prophezy_> you hae to explain what Gui-tools and all that stuff is  (i think ) :P
[10:02] <jenny_> lookin at the info
[10:02] <prophezy_> lolz
[10:02] <prophezy_> Jenny you just playin with us.. i think you are the Linux Guru :P
[10:02] <prophezy_> or Ubuntus Gur
[10:02] <prophezy_> Guru
[10:02] <prophezy_> :D
[10:03] <pag> prophezy_, There's no problem for me in expalaining, since our dear ubotu has links to instructions with screenshots :)
[10:03] <prophezy_> pag aha.. i didn c that  ;)
[10:06] <yarou> see,
[10:06] <yarou> kde is telling me that eth0 is disconnected
[10:06] <yarou> but i'm here
[10:06] <jenny_> read the words but my eyes started to cross and i felt my brain fizzle out
[10:07] <jenny_> i think i broke my ability to think for the night so i'll work on that tomorrow
[10:07] <jenny_> with a lot of coffee
[10:07] <prophezy_> yarou, becasue you lookin at the mirror now, and reflects to this channel :P
[10:07] <prophezy_> lolz @ Jenny
[10:08] <prophezy_> poor lady ;)
[10:08] <prophezy_> hehe
[10:08] <yarou> broken piece of crap
[10:10] <jenny_> found a button to register but that lead to more reading so i stopped
[10:11] <jenny_> dang there are a lot of steps to do things
[10:11] <jenny_> at least finding this was easy!
[10:11] <yarou> welcome to Linux
[10:13] <arun> hello peopl
[10:13] <arun> e
[10:14] <jenny_> is it only complicated at first?
[10:14] <arun> jenny_: what is?
[10:14] <prophezy_> Jenny yes ;)
[10:14] <jenny_> oh thank goodness
[10:14] <prophezy_> everything is complicated first
[10:14] <pag> jenny_, as soon as you get used to all this, it'll be far easier than Windows :)
[10:14] <arun> what are you talking about
[10:15] <jenny_> arun, just switched and still leanin the basics
[10:15] <prophezy_> yes
[10:15] <arun> ah
[10:15] <prophezy_> arun her age :P
[10:15] <arun> had any problems yet?
[10:15] <prophezy_> *just kidding*
[10:15] <jenny_> hm?
[10:16] <prophezy_> Jenny are you fmiliar with Linux?
[10:16] <jenny_> not a bit
[10:16] <arun> jenny_: had any problems with kubuntu yet?
[10:16] <jenny_> arun, oh yeah
[10:16] <arun> such as?
[10:16] <prophezy_> she cant open the rar file
[10:16] <yarou> kde4 is broken
[10:16] <yarou> that's what
[10:16] <pag> yarou, it's supposed to be broken - it's alpha ;)
[10:17] <yarou> i'm better of just compiling from trunk
[10:17] <yarou> wait 3 days until Qt is compiled, bahaha
[10:17] <prophezy_> lolz
[10:18] <kanpachi> hello
[10:18] <jenny_> ok i think my brains done for the night
[10:18] <jenny_> *yawns* mornin whatever
[10:18] <prophezy_> Jenny night???
[10:18] <kanpachi> i'm new to kubuntu, can anyone please tell me how to get to that kde wizard where i can disable some effects please?
[10:18] <prophezy_> iits 10 am here :P
[10:18] <yarou> 4 AM
[10:18] <pag> prophezy_, people are living on differet timezones ;)
[10:19] <prophezy_> lolz @ pag
[10:19] <jenny_> 1:18am here in San Diego
[10:19] <kanpachi> 11:19 am here :)
[10:19] <prophezy_> san diego
[10:19] <wabbit> 4am
[10:19] <prophezy_> wowowowow
[10:19] <wabbit> o.O
[10:19] <kanpachi> can anyone please tell me how to get to the kde wizard in kubuntu?
[10:19] <jenny_> where the heck are you that its 10am
[10:19] <kanpachi> i can't find it on the control panel
[10:19] <se7enofnine> It's Wednesday, July 25, 2007, at 3:19 PM in Asia/Bangkok
[10:20] <pag> jenny_, Central Europe?
[10:20] <capcom> what do you mean with kde wizard? which effects do you want to disable?
[10:20] <prophezy_> I use Euro
[10:20] <kanpachi> well, i used to use ubuntu, and then i installed the kubuntu-desktop package
[10:20] <prophezy_> Kubuntu Euro
[10:20] <kanpachi> and when i booted kde for the first time, it popped up a wizard asking me a bunch of questions
[10:21] <kanpachi> like how many effects i wanna use in the kde desktop etc...
[10:21] <jenny_> thanks guys, see y'all again soon
[10:21] <kanpachi> now i installed kubuntu from the kubuntu cd, and i can't find that option :(
[10:21] <prophezy_> Jenny sweet dreams of Kubuntu
[10:21] <busfahrer> kanpachi: Run kpersonalizer
[10:21] <jenny_> laughs
[10:22] <kanpachi> thanx
[10:22] <kanpachi> can't find that command busfahrer :(
[10:22] <kanpachi> run command won't recognize it
[10:22] <mimik> !kpersonalizer
[10:22] <wabbit> after not touching linux since 02-03 maybe even 2000 this is a really nice dist
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kpersonalizer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:23] <kanpachi> thanx
[10:23] <arun> my computer's become a bit sluggish over the past 2 days
[10:23] <arun> anything i can do to speed it up?
[10:23] <prophezy_> arun by new one??? :P
[10:23] <prophezy_> buy
[10:24] <kanpachi> oh, and another thing please, where can i change the the way it konq opens files with one mouse click? i want it to use two clicks, like gnome does
[10:24] <kanpachi> i search the konq settings, but couldn't find it :(
[10:24] <wabbit> btw anybody cant help with a really retarted question, since i cant find the answer TT
[10:25] <pag> kanpachi, kcontrol -> Peripherals -> mouse
[10:25] <capcom> kanpachi: i think this setting is made in kcontrol, where you set the mouse behavior
[10:25] <yarou> i don't need kde4
[10:25] <yarou> i'll just install ion3
[10:25] <matahari> what can i do, when my TFT displays the message "Mode not supported" under Feisty?
[10:25] <kanpachi> where is kcontrol?
[10:25] <matahari> se7enofnine: the install just went fine!
[10:25] <pag> kanpachi, alt+f2 and type kcontrol
[10:25] <kanpachi> i can't find it sorry :(
[10:25] <kanpachi> thanx
[10:26] <kanpachi> oh there! thanx guys :)
[10:26] <se7enofnine> matahari: :)
[10:26] <wabbit> when i download torrent how do you get it to stop using bittorrent and use a diffrent installed client?
[10:26] <capcom> in the k-menu there is an entry called system settings or something like that. there can these settings also be made
[10:26] <matahari> se7enofnine: just my TFT won't display anthing - get the message "Mode not supported"
[10:28] <se7enofnine> can you get a command line matahari
[10:28] <matahari> se7enofnine: no
[10:28] <matahari> i will boot in rescue mode
[10:28] <matahari> maybe there i can get one
[10:29] <wabbit> how are file associations defined if anybody dont mind with my retarted question :)
[10:29] <matahari> se7enofnine: i have a command line now
[10:29] <pag> wabbit, kcontrol -> KDE components -> file associations
[10:29] <prophezy_> oki my dear friends, me have to restart my little computer to feed her with more battery, or it she will be mad ;)
[10:30] <se7enofnine> matahari: cat /etc/X11/xorg.config      and see what driver you use
[10:31] <matahari> se7enofnine: i810 driver
[10:31] <se7enofnine> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:31] <kanpachi> thanx for all your help guys :)
[10:31] <kanpachi> i found kpersonalizer, i had to install it from the repos
[10:32] <se7enofnine> matahari: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:32] <matahari> se7enofnine: thanks
[10:32] <kanpachi> have a nice day, i'm off :)
[10:32] <kanpachi> oh just one last question
[10:33] <kanpachi> i have an nvidia geforce 4 mx, and i understand that it's a legacy driver right? will the restricted drivers install the nvidia-glx or the nvidia-glx-legacy for me? since the other time it installed the nvidia-glx one
[10:38] <paulatreides> salut
[10:42] <lordofthepigs> argh!
[10:42] <lordofthepigs> I can't find out how to update my Java version from 6 to 6update2
[10:42] <shukty> hi  every1 some1 can lend me a hand to conf my guarddog ?
[10:47] <frode> hello there... think i need some help here...been using MS since the 80's and want to look at linux... how do i install progs on Linux?
[10:48] <frode> would like to install wine on kubuntu
[10:48] <vzduch> !wine | frode
[10:48] <ubotu> frode: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:48] <frode> thanx
[10:55] <matahari> is it possible, that 2 users use tha same KMAIL application with the same mailaccounts?
[10:56] <pag> matahari, sure... just take care of permissions, and use symlinks  (this is just a wild guess - I won't guarantee that it'll work, but it should)
[10:57] <matahari> would it work when i link the .kmail directory from one user to the directory from the other user?
[10:58] <pag> matahari, iirc there's no such directory as .kmail... I guess it's ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail  but as I said; I haven't tried it, so I don't know the exact way.
[10:58] <matahari> pag: okay
[11:24] <kerric> hi all
[11:25] <kerric> can anyone help me with knetwork manager - i cant see wireless network, but other wifi manager is working correct
[11:25] <kerric> can any one help ?
[11:28] <Sbucat> hi to see hide file in ubuntu was ctrl+h and in kubuntu?
[11:29] <kerric> ls -al :D
[11:30] <pag> Sbucat, no default shortcut set - you can set it yourself in settings -> configure shortcuts
[11:30] <Gote> !de
[11:30] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:31] <Sbucat> pag: =) thanks man
[11:32] <Sbucat> kerric: thanks =)
[11:37] <sredna> Riddell: now, i just can't run anything at all. for example, attempting to run konsole, with LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to /usr/lib/kde4/lib, i get this: dolphin: error while loading shared libraries: libkparts.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:42] <Riddell> sredna: and is there such a file?
[11:44] <scotty> This is annoying. Everytime I tell Amarok to install mp3 support it freezes up.
[11:44] <sredna> Riddell: i would think it should link to libkparts.so.5 (in /usr/lib/kde4/lib)
[11:46] <pag> scotty, do you have all repos enabled?
[11:47] <scotty> I think so. Fresh install, though, I'll go check
[11:48] <scotty> Ah, the multiverse was commented out.
[11:49] <ghanhat> hi
[11:50] <ghanhat> why can't Kubuntu installation install grub where the hell I wanna install it?
[11:50] <ghanhat> I wanna install /boot on a second hard drive
[11:50] <ghanhat> then grub won't get installed
[11:50] <ghanhat> why does this shit happen?
[11:50] <MaTiAz> ghanhat: Use the alternate install CD?
[11:50] <ghanhat> is wasting my time for real
[11:50] <ghanhat> yeah
[11:50] <ghanhat> I have that one
[11:51] <ghanhat> how
[11:51] <stdin> ghanhat: both the live install and alternate install can install grub where ever you want
[11:52] <ghanhat> one time I tried to install just GRUB on /boot and you know the configuration and it did a re-install of the WHOLE fsking system on top of my up to date installation
[11:52] <ghanhat> I was AGHAST
[11:52] <ghanhat> Gentoo is so simple I can install Grub anytime I want any fucking where I want to
[11:52] <ghanhat> stdin: it didn't do da shit
[11:53] <stdin> !language
[11:53] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:53] <ghanhat> sorry
[11:53] <stdin> ghanhat: with the live install there is an "advanced" button and (IIRC) a link in the last screen before the install
[11:53] <ghanhat> but I am a lil pissed now
[11:53] <ghanhat> it's being a few days is screwed up a few beautiful installations
[11:53] <stdin> ghanhat: lets you install grub where ever you want, like hd0,0
[11:53] <ghanhat> what button?
[11:54] <stdin> ghanhat: I believe it's called "Advanced"
[11:54] <ghanhat> I am using Alternate CD there are no buttons
[11:54] <stdin> ghanhat: on the alternate cd it's different
[11:54] <ghanhat> yeah 'cause I am using LVM, that's why I am using Alternate
[11:55] <stdin> ghanhat: I haven't used it in a while, you may have to change the debconf priority. but I remember that installing grub is the last step
[11:56] <ghanhat> it is the last step, one time I try to install grub and it did a reinstallation on top of my brand new up to date installation
[11:56] <ghanhat> that was a disaster
[11:57] <ghanhat> oh my gawd
[11:58] <stdin> ghanhat: AFAIK, when you setup the partitions you just make a separate /boot and then install grub normally (to hd0)
[11:58] <ghanhat> grub kept saying "CAN'T install hd0,0 NO @%$^, is not there is on the second hard drive the /boot partition
[11:59] <noaxess_kubuntu> hi all
[11:59] <ghanhat> ok I will try this again
[11:59] <Xjs> hallo
[11:59] <stdin> ghanhat: then hd1 will probably be it
[11:59] <Xjs> hello, I mean
[11:59] <Xjs> and wrong channel, sorry
[11:59] <noaxess_kubuntu> how can i automaticly clena unused/old kernel images and entries in grub's menu.lst?
[11:59] <noaxess_kubuntu> is there a frontend or over terminal?
[12:00] <stdin> noaxess_kubuntu: just use adept to remove the old linux-image-(VERSION) packages, that's all you need to do
[12:00] <noaxess_kubuntu> stdin: okey.. .)
[12:03] <noaxess_kubuntu> there is also no setting to remove eg. the oldest kernels and keep only the newest and the next.. you know what i mean :)
[12:04] <stdin> noaxess_kubuntu: not really, it's due to the way the kernel versions are packages, the system "sees" them as separate packages, not related to eachother
[12:04] <noaxess_kubuntu> hm.. then i need also remove the older linux-headers... manually over adept..
[12:07] <stdin> noaxess_kubuntu: yeah, but you should only get a few kernel updates per prelease
[12:07] <stdin> * release
[12:12] <crube> I'm using Konqueror but it annoys me that the bookmarks toolbar is shown when I'm browsing files aswell. ;S Is there a way to make it only show in web browsing
[12:12] <stdin> you can close the tab at any time
[12:28] <Makar> Hello everyone! :)
[12:30] <ico_86> pozz svima
[12:30] <ico_86> kako setovati adsl na kubuntu
[12:30] <ico_86> 7.04
[12:33] <alie> hei hallo all
[12:33] <Lustblader> hi alie
[12:34] <arun> I installed LAMP on my computer, but now I've forgotten my passwords, etc
[12:34] <wit> how do i add a repository if i dont know its exact location ? is there a list some where that i am missing ?
[12:35] <arun> any way i can recover my phpmyadmin passwords and stuff?
[12:35] <Lustblader> <-- has no idea bout php
[12:35] <stdin> wit: what repository ?
[12:35] <stdin> arun: anything about that on the LAMP help paga?
[12:35] <stdin> !LAMP
[12:35] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[12:36] <arun> stdin: I tried a random user/pass and it worked.. but I'd like to know if there's any way to create new database users using phpmyadmin?
[12:36] <arun> or do i have to do it from the terminal
[12:37] <stdin> I don't know, haven't worked on lamp in ages
[12:37] <ico_86> how to set adsl connection on kubuntu feisty fawn 7.04
[12:37] <arun> stdin: are you a programmer?
[12:37] <wit> stdin: i wish to get mp3 decoders , and i thought i couldnt getit from the main repositories cuz it aint opensource, so i was hoping to just add one or more that might have something on it
[12:37] <stdin> arun: only learning
[12:38] <stdin> wit: that's what multiverse is for
[12:38] <arun> stdin: me too. what languages are you learning
[12:38] <stdin> arun: C++
[12:38] <wit> oh ok, so is it there by default ?
[04:28] <ERIK_LIMA> !mess
[04:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mess - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:28] <ERIK_LIMA> !xmess
[04:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xmess - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:28] <mumif> can someone help me?
[04:28] <ERIK_LIMA> Guys, anyone know how to play Turbo Grafx 16 on Kxmame??
[04:29] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !ask | mumif
[04:29] <ubotu> mumif: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:29] <ERIK_LIMA> I'm trying configurating it, but I can't play PC Engine games
[04:32] (mumif/#kubuntu) How do I install Phyton?
[04:32] (mumif/#kubuntu) there
[04:32] (runlevelten/#kubuntu) phyton or python?
[04:32] (lewix/#kubuntu) hi
[04:32] (lewix/#kubuntu) stdin, hi how are you doing
[04:32] (mumif/#kubuntu) no idea lol
[04:33] (mumif/#kubuntu) you know what I mean
[04:33] <BluesKaj> howdy all :)
[04:33] <mumif> probably python
[04:33] <BluesKaj> !python
[04:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about python - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:33] <bldzr> mumif: 'apt-get install python'
[04:33] <runlevelten> If python, it'll be installed by default.
[04:33] <dr_willis> !info python
[04:33] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.5.1-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 137 kB, installed size 600 kB
[04:33] <mumif> oh it's python
[04:33] <mumif> lol i had a typo
[04:34] <mumif> ok tnx guys =)
[04:34] <sha384sum> sorry guys, was messing with the fstab, am rebooting
[04:34] <BluesKaj> hmm interesting the info prefix actally makes the bot do a proper search
[04:34] <mumif> hm... it says I have the newest version
[04:34] <runlevelten> No I assumed it probably was, but you never know, and duff advice sucks :)
[04:35] <mumif> ok, which libs should I d/l for SuperKaramba?
[04:35] <mumif> does anyone know
[04:35] <runlevelten> sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[04:35] <mumif> hm ok...
[04:36] <dr_willis> The Joy of apt.  :)
[04:36] <BluesKaj> mumif, open adept and install superkaramba and it will install the proper dependencies as well
[04:36] <mumif> oh guys thanks so much =)
[04:36] <BluesKaj> or apt or synaptic
[04:36] <mumif> apt it is =)
[04:36] <runlevelten> no probs mumif :D
[04:37] <mallize> hey guys.  do i need an additional package to use amarok visualizations?  other than what is packaged in kubuntu?  i have the libvisual lib
[04:37] <mumif> I was using Ubuntu before but still KDE has that linux feel
[04:37] <mumif> oh yeah, how to upgrade amarok to play mp3 files via shell?
[04:37] <BluesKaj> it is linux :)
[04:37] <mumif> if it's possible, of course
[04:37] <dr_willis> feel :)
[04:38] <mumif> wow
[04:38] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> mallize: You shouldn't need anything that isn't in by default for the visualizations.
[04:38] <mumif> it installed
[04:38] <dr_willis> I always forget the package name for amarok. I think its mentioned in the Kubuntu web page FAQ page.
[04:38] <mumif> but it should be sudo apt-get upgrade amarok?
[04:38] <mallize> i'm new to amarok, do you have to dl visualizations?
[04:38] <mumif> where amarok is the package name
[04:38] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> mumif: "sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg" will install the MP3 support for amarok.
[04:38] <mallize> or are there some by default
[04:38] <mumif> ok thanks
[04:39] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !info libxine1-ffmpeg
[04:39] <ubotu> libxine1-ffmpeg: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 1534 kB, installed size 3692 kB
[04:39] <mumif> it says it cannot find it
[04:39] <Lupo> ciao
[04:39] <Lupo> ciao a tutti
[04:39] <mumif> oh this is a 1 not l
[04:39] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> mumif: You may not have the other repositories enabled.
[04:40] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> mumif: Yes, the number 1.
[04:40] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !it | Lupo
[04:40] <ubotu> Lupo: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:40] <Lupo> c' qualcuno che parla italiano ?
[04:40] <lewix> stdin, Can I get the latest verison of aircrack for kubuntu
[04:40] <runlevelten> mumif: are you comfy with /etc/apt/sources.list or do you prefer a gui?
[04:40] <runlevelten> !repos
[04:40] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:41] <dr_willis> lewix,  for the 'latest' you may have to use the source.
[04:41] <dr_willis> !info aircrack
[04:41] <ubotu> aircrack: wireless WEP/WPA cracking utilities (transitional package). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.6.2-7ubuntu1.1 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 48 kB
[04:41] <BluesKaj> amarok 1.4.6 is available butnot int he repos ...I don't think
[04:41] <mumif> runlevelten, i dunno what you are talking about xD
[04:41] <lewix> dr_willis, that's what I have 0.6
[04:41] <mumif> oh, another question
[04:42] <runlevelten> right, then I suggest you use synaptic, which is a nice graphical package management app.
[04:42] <elite101> ohh
[04:42] <runlevelten> You want to enable the universe repositories, methinks
[04:42] <dr_willis> lewix,  if theres a newer one, you will either have to go find the package somewhere, or use the source
[04:42] <mumif> how do I disable the konqueror to open theme manager files with kate?
[04:42] <elite101> hey that synaptic can i downlad styles witht that and install them?
[04:43] <runlevelten> you can use kcontrol  kde components  file associations, or you can right click, choose "open with" and choose an app (checking 'always use this app' if you want to change the setting itself
[04:44] <lewix> dr_willis, can it be unstable
[04:44] <dr_willis> elite101,  there are a great many KDE themes/styles/iconsets and other theme parts in the repos not installed by default.
[04:44] <dr_willis> lewix,  no idea. Kubuntu/ubuntu dosent try to stay 'cutting edge current' it does a 'new release every 6 mo' way to stay current.
[04:44] <elite101> but is there an app so its easyer it will delete and add the style for u?
[04:44] <runlevelten> tbh though, I just use superkaramba's theme manager.
[04:45] <dr_willis> elite101,  the theme manager can add/remove them IF you download them from someplace.. OR use the package manager to install/remove them from the repos.
[04:49] <bense> sup d00dz
[04:49] <mumif> how to install firefox here :\?
[04:49] <mumif> on Kubuntu?
[04:49] <pag> mumif, sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[04:50] <pag> mumif, write (or copy) that in konsole
[04:50] <NightBird> or open up adept, type in firefox, and pick the correct package :P
[04:51] <mumif> ok ok
[04:51] <mumif> and one last question
[04:51] <mumif> how do i run the theme manager =)?
[04:51] <elite101> lol has anyone ever just installed all the apps on adept befor?
[04:51] <elite101> just for fun so they have everything?
[04:51] <elite101> im about to do that
[04:51] <NightBird> elite101: uh... have fun
[04:51] <elite101> lol
[04:51] <elite101> 300gb later
[04:51] <BluesKaj> never heard of that , elite101
[04:52] <elite101> so many things to install......
[04:52] <elite101> but i love adept
[04:52] <BluesKaj> only if you will use them
[04:52] <elite101> all your programs are rite there (some of them!)
[04:52] <BluesKaj> don't install stuff you won't use
[04:52] <mumif> how do i run the theme manager? anyone :(?
[04:52] <elite101> what is a shell?
[04:53] <mumif> a console program... something like a command line
[04:53] <BluesKaj> the terminal/konsole is a shell
[04:53] <mumif> !ask theme manager
[04:53] <BluesKaj> !themes
[04:53] <pag> mumif, kcontrol -> Appearance -> theme manager ?
[04:53] <elite101> can somone direct me to ubuntu studios?
[04:53] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[04:53] <elite101> the channel
[04:53] <pag> !ubuntustudio
[04:53] <ubotu> ubuntustudio is a site for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best parts of Audio/Graphical/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories, and extra! Available at http://www.ubuntustudio.com. Or visit #ubuntustudio.
[04:53] <savetheWorld> the terminal/konsole is a terminal emulation program, which is often (but not always ) used to run a shell.
[04:54] <elite101> thanks
[04:54] <alicia> hi my name is lou lou
[04:54] <savetheWorld> interacive run shells are where all *NIX command line (cli) work is done.
[04:54] <savetheWorld> *interactive
[04:54] <alicia> why ssave the world
[04:54] <mumif> hm...
[04:55] <mumif> where is Kcontrol? :\
[04:55] <mumif> (im not on english Kubuntu)
[04:55] <savetheWorld> Note - Note all instances of shells are interactive.  For example at system booot time shells are used to run the init scripts.
[04:55] <elite101> lmao stupid windows users:  d1ce, I don't really see Linux being that much harder to manage other then the fact that the end user has no clue how to use it
[04:55] <pag> mumif, nowhere in the menus; press alt+f2 and type kcontrol
[04:56] <savetheWorld> heh typo "Not all instances of shells are interactive"
[04:56] <alicia> hi elite101
[04:56] <mumif> uhuh... k thanks
[04:56] <alicia> one of the only good things about windows is msn
[04:57] <washington> alguien que me pueda ayudar?????
[04:57] <BluesKaj> savetheWorld, lets be practical here , we don't need info that new users won't be looking at for a while :)
[04:57] <alicia> hello elo elo im pc plod
[04:57] <elite101> hey? do i know u?
[04:57] <pag> !es | washington
[04:57] <ubotu> washington: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:58] <savetheWorld> BluesKaj: There are only new user's here?
[04:58] <savetheWorld> :-)
[04:58] <BluesKaj> alicia, let's speak english , not textish
[04:58] <alicia> oh yeah as if i am a new user i know about how to make bombs
[04:58] <alicia> LOL
[04:58] <elite101> ?
[04:58] <elite101> o.0
[04:58] <NightBird> ..
[04:58] <alicia> only joking
[04:58] <elite101> why joke about that?
[04:59] <alicia> i dont know
[04:59] <BluesKaj> !Offtopic
[04:59] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:59] <elite101> this better not be a fake convo again i swear!!!!!!!!!
[04:59] <alicia> sorry back to the topic
[04:59] <elite101> that mad me so mad
[04:59] <elite101> made*
[05:00] <alicia> everyone makes mistakes
[05:00] <BluesKaj> fake convo
[05:00] <BluesKaj> ?
[05:00] <elite101> yeah
[05:00] <elite101> u wouldnt believe yesterday in the windows chat]
[05:00] <alicia> how do you get your name a different colour
[05:00] <elite101> about this girl who needed help with ehr printer
[05:01] <elite101> it was a girl and for some reason this one just sayed hi elite???? im going to wonder again
[05:04] <GrahamA> elite101: What the hell is a fake convo?
[05:04] <GrahamA> How can you fake a convo?
[05:04] <elite101> okay there is this txt i copyd and pasted it
[05:04] <elite101> go to offtopic
[05:04] <elite101> plz i willexplain
[05:05] <GrahamA> Does anybody here need help?
[05:05] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> GrahamA: Using multipule IRC clients and nicks to talk to yourself??
[05:05] <GrahamA> WhtWolfTeraDyne: But that's just sad...
[05:05] <elite101> no
[05:05] <elite101> listen this girl was talking about she got a new computer
[05:05] <elite101> she got a rpinter
[05:06] <elite101> and we were helping her (or i was lol got it to work too)
[05:06] <elite101> she was onwindows
[05:06] <elite101> baisic
[05:06] <elite101> well she sayed her boyfriend was getting the cord***** was getting it
[05:06] <elite101> so we asked her to plug it in
[05:06] <elite101> she did???
[05:06] <GrahamA> I would know that's bullshit straight off the bat
[05:06] <GrahamA> Girls aren't on IRC.
[05:07] <atrocity> is there any way to make xmms play music when i double-click it in File Browser instead of Movie Player?
[05:07] <elite101> okay so after from 1:02am i asked can u print out www.google.com and at 1:02am she sayed it worked it prinbted
[05:07] <elite101> the same time o.0
[05:07] <elite101> thats impossiable
[05:07] <vzduch> GrahamA: I know some
[05:07] <GrahamA> atrocity: Open with > choose xmms > set it as default application
[05:08] <elite101> anyways she said there was an agent at bestbuy saying she need anti-virus and he had a badge !!! a badge o.0
[05:08] <GrahamA> girls don't mix with technology.
[05:08] <elite101> she said he was officer or something jordan
[05:08] <elite101> yeah but this was so fake
[05:08] <GrahamA> If they did, I'd probably hve a chance of getting some in my lifetime.
[05:08] <elite101> like ppl in the room thought i was appart of it
[05:08] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> elite101: Geek Squad members do carry badges.
[05:08] <elite101> then she said she met her boyfriend on eharmoney?
[05:08] <atrocity> GrahamA: that's waht i was doing to get them to play in xmms, but there's no option to set it as default app :/
[05:09] <GrahamA> Yes there is.
[05:09] <runlevelten> GrahamA: That's garbage, with respect.
[05:09] <elite101> lol we where making fun of geek squad when she said it
[05:09] <elite101> she said random things and things worked?? way to fast i thought it was a test
[05:09] <elite101> for the channel
[05:09] <runlevelten> Anyway. wtf?
[05:09] <elite101> is wow this too much
[05:09] <GrahamA> Or lag.
[05:09] <elite101> and then she signed off real quik
[05:10] <elite101> it was weird
[05:10] <GrahamA> runlevelten: What's garbage?
[05:10] <atrocity> GrahamA: I found it.  you have to right-click it, go to properties, and it it under the "Open With" tab
[05:10] <runlevelten> I'd be happy to talk about """<GrahamA> girls don't mix with technology.""" with you in ot :)
[05:10] <elite101> i asked them if it seem fishy they said it was too and now this girl alicia says hey elite101 i told the other girl yesterday i was on linux??no its going to happen again
[05:10] <elite101> ^^
[05:11] <GrahamA> atrocity: I know, that's what I said.
[05:11] <GrahamA> Have fun
[05:11] <atrocity> oh, lol, i thought you said, right click it, then go to open with...not properties first
[05:11] <atrocity> either way, thanks!
[05:12] <elite101> i swear that alicia chick is jami_Jackson o.0 going to start another rediculous convo
[05:12] <GrahamA> elite101: Why didn't you pass along the infamouse windows deltree command?
[05:12] <elite101> im not an avid windows vista user
[05:12] <elite101> so i told her i was on linux
[05:12] <elite101> she's like ohh
[05:12] <elite101> a 14yr old on linux
[05:12] <GrahamA> She knew what Linux was?
[05:12] <elite101> she nows what it is but yet cant work a printer
[05:12] <elite101> yeah
[05:12] <elite101> like wtf
[05:12] <GrahamA> And you STILL think it's a girl?
[05:12] <elite101> yewah
[05:13] <elite101> she wouldnt let her boyfriend use the computer
[05:13] <NightBird> ...
[05:13] <NightBird> one: this seems fairly off topic
[05:13] <elite101> they way she aked she's like i dont want my son to get on any twiddles and hoho's????? o.0
[05:13] <elite101> sorry
[05:13] <GrahamA> Does anybody here need assistance?
[05:13] <NightBird> b: There are girls that are good with computers
[05:13] <GrahamA> NightBird: Prove it.
[05:13] <elite101> yeah some arent the britest but she new
[05:13] <elite101> about linux and now today?
[05:14] <elite101> the alicia girl says hi elite101???
[05:14] <NightBird> GrahamA: Several of my friends in college were good CS majors and female
[05:14] <elite101> me
[05:14] <runlevelten> GrahamA: There are lots of female geeks all the way along the spectrum.
[05:14] <elite101> i have some stuff she said copy'd down i asked my friend if it looked fake he agredd with me lmao
[05:15] <runlevelten> My other half is a nix geek, she is decidedly female :)
[05:15] <GrahamA> I'm not implying all girls are rubbish at computers, I'm just saying majority don't have a fucking clue.
[05:15] <elite101> like wow i coundlt believe it
[05:15] <elite101> yeah
[05:15] <GrahamA> runlevelten: I'd like to meet one.
[05:15] <BluesKaj> yes, lots of 'em , but they're the worst "know it all geeks "...worse than the male know it alls , cuz they feel they must constantly prove themselves
[05:15] <elite101> well they prob dont care when u say that
[05:15] <PriceChild> !offtopic | GrahamA elite101 BluesKaj
[05:15] <ubotu> GrahamA elite101 BluesKaj: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:16] <elite101> alicia, you know the channel ##windows??
[05:16] <runlevelten> The difference being that while most guys don't have a clue, they all believe they're Linux Torvalds the second they can use a non-standard client on "yahoo chat" or whatever.
[05:16] <GrahamA> Does anybody here need any assistance with any Kubuntu realted problems?
[05:16] <elite101> any one need help on something?
[05:16] <runlevelten> *Linus, heh
[05:16] <NightBird> heh
[05:16] <elite101> ...
[05:16] <BluesKaj> c'mon PriceChild , it's slow in here right now :)
[05:16] <GrahamA> If not, I shall continue this discussion.
[05:16] <PriceChild> BluesKaj, GrahamA Does not make a difference, please move it to an offtopic channel.
[05:16] <elite101> okay
[05:17] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> ...
[05:17] <elite101> why did u kick him?
[05:18] <elite101> ?
[05:18] <runlevelten> Possibly the 640k of off-topic chatter elite101.
[05:18] <PriceChild> elite101, I would advise that you cease the offtopic chatter...
[05:18] <stdin> because he was ignoring the rules
[05:18] <elite101> yeah okay
[05:19] <stdin> elite101: "[16:16]  <GrahamA> If not, I shall continue this discussion."  <- not good to disrespect the opps :)
[05:19] <elite101> ohhh
[05:20] <Atroc> heh
[05:21] <elite101> un ban him plz
[05:21] <elite101> grahamA
[05:21] <genii> did sha384sum get his alternating SCSI devicename issue resolved?
[05:21] <atrocity> there we go
[05:22] <stdin> elite101: that's up to the opps, best place to ask is in #ubuntu-ops
[05:22] <Riddell> elite101: he made an exceedingly sexist comment
[05:23] <elite101> ohhh
[05:23] <stdin> and swore, both are no-no's
[05:24] <BluesKaj> I installed apache2 , thinking i'd use it , and i thought that i had uninstalled it , but I see it's still running in system services... what gives?
[05:24] <atrocity> god i hate wireless
[05:24] <nodesert> how can i mount USB stick
[05:24] <nodesert> ?
[05:24] <stdin> BluesKaj: check that you removed it? "apt-cache policy apache2"
[05:25] <stdin> nodesert: didn't it automount?
[05:25] <nodesert> no
[05:25] <stdin> did you see any dialog box?
[05:26] <nodesert> stdin: no
[05:26] <stdin> has it been formatted/partitioned yet?
[05:26] <nodesert> my cd-rom is automounted
[05:26] <BluesKaj> thx stdin, it was still installed , so used adept
[05:26] <runlevelten> Yeah, apologies for taking up on that, but I have a partner who's a geek, and a few daughters. I can't brook that garbage. Anyway, back on-topic.
[05:26] <webers> hi all
[05:26] <webers> any one how to install real player 10.0 in kubuntu 7.04
[05:27] <nodesert> stdin:USB stick is working i think i have to mount manually
[05:27] <stdin> webers: look at the media pages
[05:27] <stdin> !realplayer | webers
[05:27] <ubotu> webers: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:28] <webers> I looked at it but every time I try, an error message appears.
[05:28] <stdin> nodesert: open konsole, type in "dmesg | tail" it should show you the device name, something like "sdb"
[05:28] <stdin> webers: what error?
[05:29] <genii> webers The content of the error message may help enlighten
[05:29] <webers> package not found
[05:29] <stdin> did you follow/read the whole guide
[05:29] <stdin> it tells you how to get the right repositories
[05:29] <webers> yea,
[05:30] <webers> I enabiled all repositories, like univers, multiverse
[05:30] <genii> work, AFK
[05:30] <jenny_> mornin
[05:31] <stdin> webers: no, read it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods you need other repos
[05:31] <BluesKaj> hi jenny_
[05:31] <webers> (Couldn't find package realplay) that's the messaage
[05:32] <jenny_> My sister sent me a picture thats .3g2 but i have never heard of that file extension
[05:33] <webers> thanx stdin for helping.
[05:33] <stdin> webers: sure :)
[05:33] <PriceChild> jenny_, that sounds like a video file to me... from a phone
[05:33] <jhutchins_lt> I think that's an iPod format.
[05:34] <jenny_> I think so
[05:34] <stdin> mpeg4 then
[05:34] <jenny_> Not sure what program to open it with
[05:34] <genii> yes, 3g2 is a nokia type media format
[05:34] <jhutchins_lt> looks like ffmpeg can handle it.
[05:34] <stdin> try renaming it to a .mp4 extention
[05:34] <jhutchins_lt> Which means that mplayer should as well.
[05:35] <stdin> (probably just mpeg4)
[05:36] <jenny_> ffmpeg?
[05:36] <spiniker> hello room
[05:37] <stdin> jenny_: fmpeg: multimedia player, server and encoder
[05:37] <stdin> jenny_: I'd bet the 3g2 files is an mp4 file in disguise, see if renaming the extention
[05:38] <spiniker> hello jenny
[05:38] <jenny_> it didnt give me me the option of renaming it so i saved it to see if i could rename it once it was saved
[05:38] <BluesKaj> hi spiniker
[05:38] <jenny_> mornin spin
[05:38] <spiniker> hello blues
[05:39] <pag> jenny_, do you have codecs installed yet?
[05:39] <jenny_> not sure
[05:39] <spiniker> jenny mind if i ask a question?
[05:40] <jenny_> sure
[05:40] <jenny_> seems only fair as many questions as i've been askin
[05:40] <spiniker> im having problems with theme manger
[05:41] <pag> spiniker, please be more specific ;) what kind of problems?
[05:41] <jenny_> points to one of the smart people
[05:41] <spiniker> im not able to change it..it says i have to log in as administrator mode..
[05:41] <spiniker> how do i do it
[05:41] <Pazy> Will anything bad happen if i uninstall Grub from adept then reinstall?
[05:41] <spiniker> im using kubuntu
[05:41] <pag> spiniker, theme manager or kdm theme manager?
[05:42] <spiniker> kdm theme manager..
[05:42] <runlevelten> try opening it in mplayer.
[05:42] <mumificpjetao> !ask KDM
[05:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask kdm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:42] <runlevelten> oopsy, was scrolled up again, haha
[05:42] <pag> spiniker, oh.. it really does need the root acces.. there should be 'Admin. mode' -button somewhere
[05:42] <BluesKaj> Pazy , what are you trying to do? ...you can edit grub
[05:43] <runlevelten> dpkg-reconfigure grub?
[05:43] <spiniker> yeah i see it..but im not able to access it
[05:43] <Pazy> Im trying to get grub to boot my WInXP as well but i cant get the entry right, im hoping a reinstall will make it retry since in my last install it work after install
[05:43] <pag> spiniker, huh? how come?
[05:43] <runlevelten> or update-grub?
[05:43] <spiniker> its not higlighted..
[05:43] <stdin> spiniker: needs to be ran as root, run "kdesu kcontrol"
[05:43] <pag> Pazy, pastebin your menu.lst and ask someone to make necessary changes
[05:44] <Pazy> Pastebin?
[05:44] <BluesKaj> Pazy, kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst in the run command box
[05:44] <spiniker> ok..wait ill try..
[05:44] <stdin> !paste | Pazy
[05:44] <ubotu> Pazy: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:44] <pag> !paste | Pazy
[05:44] <Pazy> whats kdesu? i keep trying sudo
[05:45] <Pazy> *typing
[05:45] <pag> Pazy, kdesu is sudo for graphical apps.
[05:45] <kaminix> How do I add that the mimetype .x264 should open with Kaffeine?
[05:45] <Pazy> Does sudo not work on graphical apps?
[05:45] <spiniker> ok thanks its working now..
[05:45] <stdin> !kdesu | Pazy
[05:45] <ubotu> Pazy: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[05:45] <spiniker> ur a lifesaver
[05:45] <martijn> kaminix: settings in konqueror
[05:45] <jenny_> yeay it works, oh ugh its just a picture of her kids
[05:45] <Pazy> Crap ive probably mucked up my permissions and configs then
[05:46] <kaminix> Just Konquerer -> Tools -> Settings? Thanks.
[05:46] <BluesKaj> Pazy, alt+f2, kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:46] <jhutchins_lt> kaminix: Right click on a local file and choose the app to open it with.  You should have a checkbox to remember the association.  This only works with local files, not URL's.
[05:46] <pag> Pazy, it *can* muck them up.. just don't use sudo GUIapp anymore and hope for the best
[05:46] <stdin> Pazy: "can" doesn't me that it always "will"
[05:46] <runlevelten> Pazy: it didn't work when chainloading from hd(1,0)
[05:47] <runlevelten> ?
[05:47] <jhutchins_lt> jenny_: Which worked, renaming it?
[05:47] <Pazy> True runlevelten
[05:47] <jenny_> yep
[05:47] <Pazy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31251/
[05:47] <Pazy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31251/           my menu.lst for grub
[05:47] <runlevelten> look in /boot/grub/device.map - is the windows disk hd1?
[05:47] <martijn> kaminix: something like that (i have Dutch version), and then tab file associations
[05:47] <runlevelten> @Pazy
[05:48] <jenny_> now to figure out this registration thing and then back to tryin to figure out why my .rar video isnt playin, one thing at a time
[05:48] <vzduch> to the dvd::rip users: for technical reasons I ripped the single chapters of a DVD.. can I combine these for transcoding to get 1 .avi or .ogm file?
[05:48] <spiniker> hey pag thanks
[05:48] <pag> runlevelten, wouldn't it be easier just map the HD's in the bootoption itself?
[05:48] <pag> spiniker, no prblem at all :)
[05:48] <spiniker> should i be log in as root evrytime i try to change it?
[05:49] <BluesKaj> Pazy, what are you attempting to do in grub ...you haven't mentioned it. ?
[05:49] <pag> spiniker, don't *log* in as a root... just use kdesu
[05:49] <Pazy> WinXP (Profesional)
[05:49] <Pazy> Device.map is bare (hd0)	/dev/sda
[05:49] <Pazy> Will i manually add the windows stuff?
[05:50] <spiniker> ok thanks
[05:50] <spiniker> ill try to remember that
[05:50] <Pazy> I feel a little bit sinful for using hotmail on windows lol
[05:51] <Pazy> *linux :D
[05:51] <jhutchins_lt> jenny_: Usually you have to decompress .rar files to play them.
[05:51] <Pazy> I cant spell today it seems
[05:52] <runlevelten> Pazy: which would give a hint as to why last night's setting didn't work, heh
[05:53] <pag> Pazy, that'll work, but that's a pretty hacky one, wait and see, if runlevelten provides a better one ;) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31253/
[05:53] <BluesKaj> pazy , see where it says example with the windows settings, remove the # in front of the lines down to chainloader...also where it says #hiddenmenu...remove the # there as well
[05:54] <Pazy> Down to and including chainloader?
[05:54] <BluesKaj> yes
[05:54] <pag> BluesKaj, there's a problem with mapping devices, not the structure of boot option itself
[05:55] <Pazy> There is no # at hidden menu already
[05:55] <mumificpjetao> what is the name of the Java runtime enviroment package?
[05:55] <jenny_> i dont understand this registration info one bit
[05:55] <spiniker> ei pag,pardon..
[05:55] <jenny_> it went from compu-jargon to greek
[05:55] <mumificpjetao> !ask java
[05:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask java - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:56] <pag> jenny_, what registration? :O
[05:56] <mumificpjetao> jeez
[05:56] <pag> !java | mumificpjetao
[05:56] <ubotu> mumificpjetao: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[05:56] <spiniker> should i extract everything first before i install theme?
[05:56] <jenny_> to send private msgs
[05:56] <BluesKaj> Pazy, sorry i mean add a # at hiddenmenu ...it's like a double negative actaully what it's doing is 'showmenu '  :)
[05:56] <mumificpjetao> hm,,, if I can't sue adept, then I do it via terminal?
[05:56] <mumificpjetao> use*
[05:56] <runlevelten> Pazy: Did you install this disk after installing grub?
[05:57] <pag> spiniker, which theme are you trying to install? you have a link?
[05:57] <jhutchins_lt> jenny_: /msg nickserv register <password>
[05:57] <Pazy> no it was already in
[05:57] <pag> mumificpjetao, terminal, yes; sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jer
[05:57] <runlevelten> and dpkg-reconfigure grub and update-grub don't do anything, right?
[05:57] <pag> jre that is
[05:58] <stdin> jer?
[05:58] <pag> stdin, sorry, typo.
[05:58] <BluesKaj> Pazy, just making sure
[05:58] <Pazy> I was talkin to runlevelten, lol didnt add name:
[05:58] <Pazy> sorry
[05:58] <jhutchins_lt> mumificpjetao: sudo apt-get install or sudo aptitude install, yes, in a console.
[05:59] <BluesKaj> ok Pazy , I'll back off ..too many cooks etc...
[05:59] <spiniker> i downloaded them on kde.org
[05:59] <mumificpjetao> ok
[06:00] <mumificpjetao> guys I dunno how could I get this far without you =) thanks a bunch
[06:00] <Pazy> I just remembered my exact disk situation when installing kubuntu, I had both in and it took ages (left it for ~2 hours) at the partition screen so i resetted and removed sata and it worked in 30 seconds. I added Sata back in while i resetted after install./
[06:00] <jenny_> jhutch, i dont know what that means. is that what i type somewhere?
[06:00] <Pazy> runlevelten: Should i add an entry of my C:\ to device.map
[06:00] <pag> Pazy, try the solution I offered you earlier - it might work
[06:01] <runlevelten> right, and did you sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub and sudo update-grub since then?
[06:01] <jhutchins_lt> jenny_: Yeah, pretty much anywhere - just send it like a regular post.
[06:01] <pag> jenny_, just a hint; use tab to autocomplete nicks ;)
[06:01] <runlevelten> and nothing happened?
[06:01] <jhutchins_lt> jenny_: If you begin a line with /, irc assumes you're trying to send a command.
[06:01] <jenny_> a post? huh? no idea what you are talkin about
[06:02] <jenny_> in terminal or?
[06:02] <jhutchins_lt> jenny_: when you /msg someone, the following text only goes to that person.
[06:02] <jhutchins_lt> jenny_: In this case, nickserv, which is a bot that handles registrations.
[06:02] <jhutchins_lt> jenny_: You probably have a window that shows the MOTD from the server, that's where you'll see any response to the command.
[06:02] <jenny_> whats MOTD?
[06:02] <jhutchins_lt> jenny_: Right in the irc window, where you type normal chat messages.
[06:03] <jhutchins_lt> Message Of The Day
[06:03] <jhutchins_lt> /motd will display it again.
[06:03] <jhutchins_lt> (You can generate your own MOTD for console logins if that amuses you.)
[06:03] <jenny_> so i type /motd into the same line i am typin in now?
[06:03] <Pazy> Sorry was afk talkin to mun
[06:04] <jhutchins_lt> jenny_: Yes, but the message should appear in the server window.
[06:04] <Pazy> mum
[06:04] <jhutchins_lt> jenny_: So most people switch to that window first.
[06:04] <jenny_> i have a server window? i just clicked on the konversation listed from applications
[06:05] <Pazy> runlevelten: I tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub  it said Password (And i entered it) then said   paul@paul-kubuntu  then i typed sudo update-grub and it said same as it always did
[06:05] <jhutchins_lt> jenny_: There should be a tab labeled "Freenode" - that's the server window.
[06:06] <runlevelten> Pazy: but it didn't work?
[06:06] <jenny_> when i went to the thing that said freenode and typed /motd it said  The file or folder file:///motd does not exist.
[06:07] <jhutchins_lt> ?
[06:08] <jhutchins_lt> [11:08]  [263]  MOTD Server load is temporarily too heavy. Please wait a while and try again.
[06:08] <jhutchins_lt> [11:08]  [MOTD]  End of message of the day
[06:08] <Pazy> runlevelten: it didnt add any new entried (like winxp)
[06:08] <Pazy> *entries
[06:08] <vzduch> to the dvd::rip users: for technical reasons I ripped the single chapters of a DVD.. can I combine these for transcoding to get 1 .avi or .ogm file?
[06:08] <jhutchins_lt> jenny_: Anyway, try /msg nickserv register <password> there, see what happens.