[01:22] <savvas> ericrost: no idea, sorry :)
[01:22] <Yaroze> RAOF: doesnt handle nfs?
[01:22] <RAOF> Yaroze: Wow.  Quite true.
[01:22] <wabiD> im installing xfce as we speak
[01:22] <savvas> ericrost: just point out to them to ask for further info if they are interested
[01:23] <wabiD> we will see what happens
[01:23] <ericrost> I did, and I checked to see if there were any related bugs, didn't see anything close..
[01:23] <ericrost> just tryin to do my part (since I'm running beta and all)
[01:23] <ericrost> :)
[01:23] <savvas> now there's a person that shares my thoughts!
[01:23] <wabiD> if i run gran paradiso from term i get this - http://pastebin.com/m7db154c
[01:24] <g2g591> ok, if you want to give kde a try without all the apps the kde-core package just installs the basics
[01:24] <ericrost> I figured I was running compiz-fusion out of another repo anyhow, why not just upgrade (and in doing so dug for the workaround to the blank screen issue with nvidia)
[01:24] <g2g591> yep just as i thought, a gtk (gnome) issue
[01:24] <wabiD> well it might be
[01:24] <Yaroze> RAOF: :(
[01:25] <wabiD> it could just as easily be a firefox issue
[01:25] <g2g591> no, its not a firefox issue because it works fine for me
[01:25] <ericrost> I really do like compiz fusion.. now that its stable, it makes my desktop run faster (I don't run too much fancy, just let it composite and move the windows in obvious ways when I'm switching focus)
[01:26] <ericrost> far snappier than metacity on my rig, since I've got a decent vid card
[01:26] <g2g591> i have to go for a while
[01:26] <wabiD> it could be a firefox issue, talking to gnome
[01:26] <wabiD> but gnome is behaving correctly
[01:27] <RAOF> Yaroze: I wonder why it doesn't?  Can you browse NFS devices from Places->Network?
[01:29] <Yaroze> RAOF: nope only samba
[01:29] <RAOF> Yaroze: Waaaaaah!
[01:30] <wabiD> same problem with xfce
[01:30] <wabiD> its not gnome
[01:30] <savvas> what problem?
[01:31] <Yaroze> RAOF: always been like that :)
[01:31] <wabiD> http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4123/granju7.png
[01:31] <Yaroze> but i think konqueror supports browsing nfs
[01:31] <RAOF> Yaroze: Why do we have better support for browsing Samba than NFS??
[01:31] <jansenq> Anybody have problems with fglrx after the upgrade to gusty?
[01:31] <Yaroze> RAOF: for the noobies :)
[01:32] <savvas> wabiD: uh font size ?
[01:32] <wabiD> do the fonts look wrong?
[01:32] <wabiD> they look fine to me
[01:32] <savvas> ..
[01:33] <savvas> you pointed me to an image
[01:33] <wabiD> im pretty sure the images look screwed up
[01:33] <savvas> i saw a firefox and the alpha version
[01:33] <wabiD> correct
[01:33] <wabiD> and the alpha version is really really big
[01:33] <wabiD> but the text isnt
[01:33] <wabiD> just images
[01:33] <savvas> ah sort of like zoomed in
[01:34] <wabiD> so it appears
[01:34] <wabiD> dpi is all set up correctly, its not a gnome issue
[01:34] <wabiD> and clearing my profile does nothing
[01:35] <savvas> compiz?
[01:35] <wabiD> nope
[01:35] <wabiD> i disabled it, and its still a problem with xfce
[01:35] <wabiD> instead of gnome
[01:35] <savvas> poke the folks in irc.mozilla.org :P
[01:36] <chronographer> Hello, anyone having trouble with their digital cameraa and gutsy?
[01:37] <chronographer> my camera is recognised but no progs will suck the photos off.
[01:37] <savvas> you mean you can't view images in any program, like image viewer?
[01:38] <chronographer> yep. Plug camera in, download photos dialog pops up, reports error. I try gphoto2 -P which alwatys worked if all else failed in the past, I get an error message
[01:39] <chronographer> gphopto autodetect gives 2 cameras Ricoh Caplio R1                usb:
[01:39] <chronographer> Ricoh Caplio R1                usb:002,002
[01:39] <chronographer> I obnly have one attached, maybe it tries the wrong one?
[01:39] <savvas> thank god mine is detected as a usb flash :)
[01:40] <chronographer> hmm. Any ideas for a fix?
[01:41] <savvas> chronographer: doesn't it show folders and images? mine does, opens exactly as a usb flash, and I can copy/paste pictures into my /home/ and then use them as wished
[01:42] <chronographer> nope, it is only accessable through the software stuff, like gphoto2 etc.
[01:42] <savvas> ah bummer
[01:42] <kevinO> has anyone got vmware to install on gutsy yet?
[01:42] <savvas> no idea then, sorry :)
[01:43] <savvas> kevinO: I use virtualbox
[01:43] <kevinO> savvas, does it support vmdk's?
[01:43] <chronographer> I also use virtualbox. Get it from the website though.
[01:43] <chronographer> the ubuntu package didn't work for me
[01:44] <savvas> there was a tool somewhere.. but it didn't work for me 3 months ago
[01:44] <savvas> a converter
[01:44] <kevinO> will they load my virtual machines i alreadyu have or do i have to reinstall?
[01:44] <kevinO> oh
[01:44] <savvas> they use .vdi
[01:46] <kevinO> how does this program compare to vmware?
[01:47] <savvas> faster, less hassle
[01:47] <kevinO> oooo nice
[01:47] <savvas> but less capable of installing operating systems
[01:47] <savvas> :P
[01:47] <kevinO> hmm
[01:47] <savvas> e.g. windows 98 and 95 don't run in it
[01:47] <chronographer> I never used a VM before, but virtual box has been great for me, runs fast, no direct x, used the same VM (VDI ) from debian etch through to new gutsy install
[01:48] <savvas> doesn't support x64 Guest (virtual) machines, even though if I own an x64 host
[01:48] <chronographer> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[01:48] <kevinO> ahh i have to install windows 98 and up
[01:48] <kevinO> :(
[01:49] <savvas> I can test install win 98 again if you want
[01:51] <kevinO> well i dont really want you to go through all that trouble, I was thinking more along the lines of getting vmware player to work properly
[01:52] <kevinO> looks like someone has a fix for it but i cant read german
[01:52] <kevinO> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/146272
[01:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146272 in linux-meta "[gutsy]  vmware-player is not installable + outdated" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:52] <kevinO> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/146272
[01:52] <savvas> try with vmware-server
[01:52] <kevinO> i dont have a key for that
[01:52] <savvas> it's free
[01:52] <kevinO> what?
[01:52] <kevinO> why do they sell it then?
[01:52] <savvas> what? :)
[01:52] <savvas> no clue
[01:53] <kevinO> vmware-server is not in commercial repos?
[01:53] <savvas> http://www.vmware.com/download/server/
[01:54] <savvas> "To use the versions below, you will need to register for your free serial number(s)."
[01:54] <savvas> :]
[01:54] <kevinO> thats weird
[01:55] <savvas> not weird at all
[01:55] <savvas> I've been using vmware for a year
[01:55] <savvas> it's open source
[01:55] <kevinO> on server, can you install new os's?, or is it jst a player?
[01:56] <savvas> new os, yep
[01:56] <savvas> play & install
[01:56] <savvas> i think it has limited network operations
[01:56] <kevinO> well thats just crazy, why doesnt everyone use it
[01:56] <savvas> but nat always worked here
[01:57] <savvas> it must have something limited
[01:57] <scizzo-> meep
[01:59] <savvas> kevinO: I'm installing windows 98 atm, it looks like it has better support.. we'll see
[02:00] <kevinO> cool
[02:00] <savvas> I read somewhere in their forums that they like to support NT and up
[02:00] <savvas> who knows
[02:01] <bascule> savvas: server doesn't support drag'n'drop to host is one missing feature from server
[02:01] <savvas> i knew they're missing something :)
[02:02] <kevinO> i wonder if microsoft still has all the 98 updates available for download, last i knew they were going to stop
[02:02] <savvas> wasn't that last year kevo?
[02:02] <kevinO> yeah
[02:02] <savvas> eh who needs m$
[02:03] <savvas> I got my ubuntu :)
[02:03] <kevinO> all my friends
[02:03] <kevinO> lol
[02:03] <kevinO> i try to get them to convret they wont have it
[02:03] <Xero> Oh My God! They Killed init! You Bastards!
[02:03] <savvas> lol
[02:03] <bascule> he was respawning to fast?
[02:03] <kevinO> i really just use the ms family for helping people troubleshoot their installs
[02:04] <kevinO> and i have vista so i can play halo2
[02:04] <Xero> Halo 2? There's an XBOX for that.
[02:04] <kevinO> other than that i luvbuntu
[02:04] <kevinO> uh yeah i dont have the money for an xbox
[02:05] <chronographer> I would think about XP if I could run SupCom on my machine, but its too old
[02:05] <Xero> XBOXes are $100. Vista is $500.
[02:05] <chronographer> and I don't have time for games
[02:05] <kevinO> lol no vista is not 500
[02:05] <Xero> You don't have money for an XBOX but you do for Vista. Amazing.
[02:05] <Xero> Simply freakin' amazing.
[02:05] <kevinO> i payed like 89 dollars for vista
[02:05] <Xero> Home Basic, which does almost nothing they advertise.
[02:06] <kevinO> no i have business
[02:06] <Xero> Still not much.
[02:06] <kevinO> i got it when they were offering the free upgrades
[02:06] <Xero> Ahh. Poor thing.
[02:06] <kevinO> tell me about it
[02:06] <ericrost> savvas: vmware is not open source
[02:06] <Xero> You got ripped off. Free is too high a price for Vista.
[02:07] <kevinO> i had to fight with moduslink for 4 months to get it
[02:07] <bascule> pc world?
[02:07] <ericrost> Xero: Vista on the horizon is the reason I switched to linux last year
[02:07] <orin> So, Gutsy will come out soon. Will it break a lot of stuff with AppArmor?
[02:08] <Xero> orin, noperz.
[02:08] <savvas> ericrost: well ok, it was? http://www.vmware.com/download/server/open_source.html
[02:08] <kevinO> believe me im not a huge fan of microsoft, and im certainly not a fan of paying 400 dollars for  the 360, and the original xbox, well, ive modded about a hundred or so for friends and im burnt out on em
[02:08] <ericrost> savvas: its not the complete source
[02:09] <Xero> Original Xbox = HALO2 FOR CHEEP!!!!
[02:09] <ericrost> savvas: in fact they got nearly in hot water (lukewarm) by not releasing code changes until fsf asked
[02:09] <Xero> Vista = Ripoff + another ripoff + crap all shoved into a very small blender.
[02:09] <kevinO> why waste that money when i can save it towards a 360?
[02:09] <Xero> 360's suck in general.  Users could only use "Log Off" but there was no option for shutdown, reboot, hibernate, suspend, etc. Did KDM go through any more changes this time?
[02:10] <savvas> ericrost: interesting, thanks :)
[02:10] <ericrost> savvas: don't get me wrong, I use it
[02:10] <kevinO> thats why they make warranty's
[02:10] <Gun_Smoke> Xero: how does ps3 do it?
[02:10] <Xero> Gun_Smoke, piezoelectric sensors in the SIXAXIS
[02:10] <orin> I remember Edgy was fine and Feisty seemingly used new debs to fix some non-issue and ended up breaking stuff.
[02:11] <zblach> hey all
[02:11] <savvas> kevinO: 59%
[02:11] <savvas> are you going to be here for another 10-15 minutes?
[02:11] <kevinO> cool i just finished dl'ing server
[02:11] <Xero> Holy crap. SIXAXIS is a palindrome.
[02:11] <kevinO> yep
[02:12] <Gun_Smoke> what is SIXAXIS?
[02:12] <Xero> The PS3 controller.
[02:12] <ericrost> savvas: were you asking me?
[02:12] <zblach> the name of t... yeah
[02:12] <savvas> ericrost: no, kevinO :)
[02:12] <Xero> Ripped from gizmodo: the latest ad for the PlayStation 3 highlights the fact that the SIXAXIS has tilt sensing capabilities.
[02:13] <Xero> Phear phear phear.
[02:13] <Gun_Smoke> Oh.. why such a special name?
[02:13] <orin> Anyone know?
[02:13] <Xero> It does the detection on 6 axes, I guess.
[02:13] <zblach> threeaxis isn't a palindrome
[02:13] <Gun_Smoke> Oh.
[02:13] <kevinO> orin, what are you asking?
[02:13] <zblach> and threerht doesn't really mean anything
[02:13] <ericrost> savvas, fyi, the next screen if you d/l is this: http://register.vmware.com/content/eula.html
[02:14] <kevinO> orin, i see, i have no idea man
[02:14] <savvas> ericrost: yeah, I'm studying medicine, not law :)
[02:14] <ericrost> F/LOSS doesn't have EULA's... although I suppose it depends on your strict definition of open source
[02:14] <ericrost> savvas: I'm an engineer, but license stuff is a hobby interest (just into the whole F/LOSS aspect of Linux)
[02:15] <Xero> lol they call broken-apart gadgetry silicon porn.
[02:15] <savvas> hehe
[02:15] <ericrost> savvas: does the message compose box on your pidgin bounce as you type the first line?
[02:15] <savvas> my hobby is computers, that's how I got into linux :P
[02:15] <Gun_Smoke> ericrost: Now thats a hobby...
[02:15] <magicrobotmonkey> have there been any problems  installing java 6 on gutsy?
[02:16] <zblach> magicrobotmonkey: nope
[02:16] <Xero> X-Y-Z, pitch, roll, yaw and lateral motion
[02:16] <Xero> That's 6 axes
[02:16] <zblach> that's 7
[02:16] <savvas> ericrost: I don't use it, sorry
[02:16] <ericrost> Xero: actually XYZ is lateral motion
[02:16] <bascule> :)
[02:17] <ericrost> savvas: on kubuntu then?
[02:17] <Xero> ericrost, it's on Engadget. Don't blame me.
[02:17] <magicrobotmonkey> like, apt claims its installed, but it doesnt show up  in update-alternatives
[02:17] <orin> Does anyone know if KDM allows users to shutdown, restart, and logoff through KDE? It got changed in the Edgy to Feisty change so I'm a bit concerned about updating my machine to Gutsy in a few weeks
[02:17] <savvas> no i don't use pidgin :P
[02:17] <savvas> I don't use IM stuff
[02:17] <ericrost> savvas: on command line then? what are you irc'ing on?
[02:17] <savvas> irssi :)
[02:17] <orin> irssi possibly
[02:18] <savvas> bingo
[02:18] <ericrost> hmm.. I'll check that out, the only thing I use pidgin for is irc in general
[02:18] <zblach> quick question about kmix. how do you set the default channel?
[02:18] <bascule> it has no equal
[02:18] <savvas> you have irssi for console and xchat for a graphical approach
[02:18] <Gun_Smoke> I like irssi
[02:19] <ericrost> what do you think of the new theme changes? synaptic icon, etc.. I think they cleaned it up nicely for gutsy
[02:19] <orin> zblach: Right click on KMix and click "Select Master Channel"
[02:19] <magicrobotmonkey> yea irssi rocks
[02:19] <savvas> they made a lot of nice icon changes
[02:19] <zblach> orin: does that also affect the XF86 volume controls?
[02:19] <orin> zblach: No idea. Try it and see.
[02:20] <zblach> survey says 'no'
[02:20] <Gun_Smoke> It's amazing how may people have no idea irssi is there.. esp when they break x
[02:20] <ericrost> I thought I saw somewhere that avant-window-navigator was going to be in the repos for gutsy... I didn't see it, and so I installed my local copy back
[02:20] <savvas> Gun_Smoke: i think it's not preinstalled
[02:20] <zblach> i keep irssi and lynx just in case
[02:20] <savvas> and actually.. that's the reason I use irssi
[02:20] <bascule> irssi has saved ne fron ny own lameness on a few occassions :)
[02:20] <savvas> I tend to break stuff :P
[02:21] <magicrobotmonkey> Gun_Smoke: forget break x: irssi +screen+openvpn+dyndns = teh ruler
[02:21] <savvas> screen and irssi tend to help keep the continuity :)
[02:21] <ericrost> savvas: I seem to not break stuff badly enough to not get X up as a last fall back
[02:21] <Xero> Sooo many typos. Must put on blog of some guy.
[02:21] <Gun_Smoke> savvas: I've always had it..
[02:21] <kevinO> savvas it was unable to build the vmmon module :(
[02:21] <ericrost> Gun_Smoke: what's screen?
[02:21] <Xero> kevin0 there are patches on the internet that worked for me, but they suck.
[02:22] <savvas> ouch
[02:22] <savvas> it needs the kernel headers right?
[02:23] <kevinO> Xero is the patch your talking baout in german?
[02:23] <Xero> I'm using VirtualBox. It didn't need headers.
[02:23] <zengen> When using the installer to encrypt a partition is it possible to make just a /boot and the encrypted partition and then create logical partitions in the encrypted partition?
[02:23] <Gun_Smoke> ericrost:  Screen?
[02:23] <Xero> kevinO, no.
[02:23] <kevinO> i found one linked from launchpad, but its in german,...
[02:25] <ryancr> I am using an updated Gutsy with a nvidia 5900xt card, I thought the latest drivers were supposed to fix the black window problem, but I am still getting it
[02:25] <ericrost> Gun_Smoke: ahh it was savvas that mentioned it, but I just looked it up anyhow
[02:25] <savvas> until you install vmware, I'm installing the guest O/S kevinO  :P
[02:25] <Gun_Smoke> ah ha
[02:25] <Xero> vmware = doody.
[02:25] <Xero> VirtualBox ftw.
[02:25] <ryancr> I am just curious why, as before I assume the indirect rendering flag was on, but now it doesn't seem to be
[02:26] <savvas> Xero: try install windows 95 on your "ftw"
[02:26] <ryancr> any ideas? where can I set it to be indirect again?
[02:26] <kevinO> someone in the ubuntu forum said they got around it by installing g++ headers
[02:26] <Xero> savvas, I've done it.
[02:26] <savvas> I'm retrying for the last time to install windows 98 on virtualbox
[02:26] <Xero> Quite strange, though.
[02:26] <savvas> !
[02:26] <Xero> Win98 works fine on VBox.
[02:27] <Xero> I'm not sure why 95 wouldn't, but 98 works perfectly.
[02:27] <savvas> we'll see
[02:27] <savvas> the previous 2 versions didnt
[02:27] <Xero> Well, I don't really need much of a VM. I've gotten quite detached from WindBlows.
[02:27] <kevinO> what would the g++ headers package name be?
[02:28] <ericrost> Xero: I use vmware to run my ubuntu servers under ubuntu
[02:28] <ericrost> Xero: that way i can chop an underutilized machine up into 4 different machines
[02:28] <Xero> ericrost, good idea.
[02:29] <savvas> and earn extra $$$ times 4 :)
[02:29] <Xero> lol
[02:29] <bascule> but doesn't the performace hit of vmware its self make that inefficient?
[02:29] <ericrost> savvas: my servers are home servers, I don't do anything commercial personnally
[02:29] <Xero> As long as you don't run a virtual cluster, the performance hit wouldn't be too bad with the right hardware.
[02:30] <kevinO> that is a wonderful idea ericrost
[02:37] <ericrost> bascule: I haven't noticed a particular performance hit, but I'm just running a wordpress server on one, mt-daapd on the base, and I'm in process of building a zimbra server on one slice
[02:37] <ericrost> the fourth slice is gonna be another wordpress or whatever I feel like playing with at the moment
[02:37] <bascule> I haven't used vmware for some time, but i remeber getting about 1/4 cpu overall
[02:37] <Xero> Perfect for what he needs.
[02:37] <Xero> He slices it up in 4 parts, each gets 1/4 proc.
[02:37] <ericrost> the other nice thing is I can completely disable shell access on the virtualized servers
[02:37] <Xero> Load balancing time.
[02:37] <ericrost> so the only way to access a shell is through vmware over the private subnet
[02:37] <bascule> well, I was thinking more along the lines of 1/16 on each, but I never actually tried that
[02:37] <bascule> experience will tell ... :)
[02:37] <Xero> Yep.
[02:41] <LjL> !netsplit
[02:41] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[02:41] <nrossin> bur[n] er: Yeah, found it on launchpad and I was right - everyone has this bug.
[02:41] <joshhunt> hey
[02:41] <kevinO> savvas cool, im still tryin to get vmware server to work
[02:41] <joshhunt> so, i just installed 7.10 beta
[02:41] <joshhunt> and the updater checked for updates, but now its kind of asking me to do a disto upgrade http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w274/kuzmaster/screenspng.png
[02:42] <savvas> kevinO: it would be easier to install vbox :P
[02:42] <nemik> joshhunt: just do it
[02:42] <Xero> savvas, lol I've converted you. Now let's see if I can make you use some other things.
[02:42] <joshhunt> do the distro upgrade....?
[02:42] <nemik> it's part of gutsy. just obey
[02:42] <nemik> yes
[02:42] <joshhunt> :S
[02:42] <joshhunt> what ever
[02:42] <joshhunt> :p
[02:42] <joshhunt> *does
[02:43] <savvas> Xero: I was already using virtualbox, but I thought they'd drop support for win9x
[02:43] <Xero> Oh.
[02:43] <Xero> Win95 works perfectly without that fix.
[02:44] <nrossin> Anyone else having problems using the proprietary nVidia drivers in Kubuntu Gutsy?
[02:44] <Xero> nrossin, nope.
[02:44] <savvas> nrossin: through restricted drivers manager ?
[02:44] <ericrost> did you check what kernel you're booting into nrossin?
[02:44] <Xero> Go netsplit go.
[02:44] <ericrost> uname -r
[02:45] <sonoftheclayr> nrossin: I have the same problem. Nothing comes up whenyou boot?
[02:45] <ericrost> I had an issue that it didn't update the default kernel to boot into, and thus the kernel modules for the driver it installed were mismatched
[02:46] <ericrost> so I had to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to save the default kernel after I booted into the correct one, see this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/147889
[02:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147889 in ubuntu "Feisty-Gutsy beta amd64 upgrade does not set default kernel correctly" [Undecided,New]
[02:46] <nrossin> savvas: Yes, I'm using the RDM
[02:47] <nrossin> ericrost: I'm not sure. it's whatever kernel was the latest released into the Gutsy repos
[02:47] <kevinO> savvas i got it to work, i think, i made it past the module part
[02:47] <nrossin> sonoftheclayr: No, it boots, but the resolution is distorted and can't be changed.
[02:47] <ericrost> go to a terminal and type uname -r and tell me the version
[02:48] <sonoftheclayr> different problem then
[02:48] <ericrost> ahh, diff problem probably then nrossin, if it was a kernel mismatch, you wouldn't get to a desktop
[02:49] <bur[n] er_> in addition to this gdm problem... wasn't it supposed to be fixed that when you logout, you don't see terminal garbage in between gui screens?
[02:49] <ericrost> sonoftheclayr: see this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910 ?
[02:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6]  are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [High,Triaged]
[02:50] <ericrost> bur[n] er_: you may be in the wrong kernel.. there was a bug when I upgraded that didn't boot into the newest gutsy kernel by default
[02:51] <ericrost> and when it did that, it showed the terminal in the background
[02:51] <bur[n] er_> 2.6.22-12 the newest?
[02:51] <ericrost> yes
[02:51] <bur[n] er_> bummer
[02:51] <ericrost> just tryin to pass along what I ran into :( sorry I'm not helpin
[02:52] <bur[n] er_> no worries, i appreciate the effort
[02:52] <ericrost> aside from those two problems, my upgrade has gone pretty flawlessly...
[02:52] <ericrost> I'm impressed by the additional polish in gutsy so far
[02:53] <ericrost> Ubuntu's really getting close as far as the "average user" target
[02:53] <kevinO> OK yall, please not, that vmware server will install without problems with this patch http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update113.tar.gz
[02:53] <kevinO> note*
[02:53] <bur[n] er_> ericrost: i'd go as far to say it's there since you can buy Dells and some other systems with ubuntu
[02:54] <brandon__> totem's lirc support seems to have vanished ever since upgrading to gutsy
[02:54] <sonoftheclayr> ericrost: probably not it, i can't get into anu of the virtual consoles
[02:54] <sonoftheclayr> I'll have a look anyway
[02:54] <Xero> WingWangTouch
[02:54] <ericrost> bur[n] er_: even shuttleworth said that its not *quite* there yet.. and there's still a few tiny details.. but its very close
[02:55] <ericrost> bur[n] er_: and getting closer with every release as far as I can see
[02:55] <ericrost> sonoftheclayr: that's the bug
[02:59] <sonoftheclayr> Thanks ericrost
[03:01] <sonoftheclayr> Now to reboot and see if it works
[03:02] <kevinO> all this rave about virtualbox i thinks i may just have to try it
[03:03] <kevinO> can i install from synaptic, someone said it wouldnt install from there
[03:03] <SpudDogg> anyone know how to change the defualt screen resolution in gutsy?
[03:04] <kevinO> SpudDogg: you can change it under system>preferences> Screen Resolution
[03:04] <SpudDogg> kevinO, yea, but it won't let me enter my own resolution
[03:04] <kevinO> ok hold on
[03:04] <SpudDogg> neither will editing xorg.conf
[03:05] <kevinO> do this run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and at the end of that you will be able to select the default resolutions, select your out of the list
[03:05] <SpudDogg> kevinO, i was just getting ready to do that.  thanks
[03:05] <h1st0> So this has become a suport channel now that beta is out
[03:06] <kevinO> i always do ctrl+alt+F3 and then login as root then killall gdm then run dpkd SpudDogg
[03:07] <kevinO> h1st0: well if you go to ubuntu and tell them you are running gutsy, they immediatly send you herre
[03:07] <h1st0> I've been sending people here too but telling them its not for support.
[03:08] <kevinO> ahh
[03:08] <h1st0> Just for bug testing/reporting etc...
[03:08] <kevinO> right
[03:08] <h1st0> Ppl don't understand
[03:09] <Artemis3> evil s3 savaga w
[03:09] <Artemis3> will run 3d games but no compizf..
[03:10] <Artemis3> direct rendering yes and all...
[03:10] <Artemis3> ah well
[03:12] <Viroo> hi
[03:12] <Artemis3> hi
[03:12] <Viroo> anyone knows if the gusty beta installer has a bug? it stops with me
[03:14] <Viroo> ???
[03:14] <Viroo> anyone ?
[03:15] <Viroo> helloooooooooo
[03:15] <Viroo> anyone ???????
[03:15] <Viroo> I need someone to confirm
[03:16] <TuTUXG> hot plug ipod 5g video make nautilus runs very long time to responds
[03:16] <TuTUXG> hot plug ipod 5g video make nautilus running very long time to respond*
[03:18] <VousDeux> !dvd
[03:18] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:23] <TuTUXG> hot plug ipod 5g video make nautilus running very long time to respond*
[03:23] <sonoftheclayr> Well it worked but my wireless didn't so here I am again
[03:24] <TuTUXG> about 5 mins+
[03:24] <joshhunt> !ntfs
[03:24] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:25] <extra> anyone running on 965gm in ubuntu?
[03:25] <extra> 965gm the gpu?
[03:25] <extra> mine no worky
[03:44] <dano> Hey all, i recently upgraded from feisty to gutsy, and for the most part it works, but my wacom stylus no longer functions, and also my external display.  Any ideas how to begin to trouble shoot, normally it just works from default install?
[03:45] <RAOF> dano: Do you have the xserver-xgl packages installed? :-|
[03:46] <dano> RAOF, no, i don't.  Should I?
[03:46] <RAOF> No.
[03:46] <RAOF> that means it's probably not my fault :)
[03:46] <TuTUXG_> hot plug ipod 5g video make nautilus running very long time to respond, is this a know issue?
[03:47] <RAOF> TuTUXG_: Not to me.  Given the poor response here, maybe you should try searching launchpad?
[03:48] <dano> i have wacom added to my autoloaded modules, and it seems to be loaded fine
[03:48] <dano> but it just doesnt work
[03:50] <Xero> Hello MTecknology
[03:50] <MTecknology_> hi
[03:51] <Xero> lol virtualbox froze.
[03:51] <MTecknology> still having issues - but I suppose that's why beta was released.. get all those kinkers out
[03:51] <Xero> What kinkers?
[03:52] <zetheroo> how do I install the fglrx drivers through the terminal?
[03:52] <h1st0> Pretty much beta is not meant for use yet
[03:52] <h1st0> !ati > zetheroo
[03:52] <Xero> why > instead of |?
[03:52] <Xero> | is much more fun.
[03:53] <MTecknology> So far... I need to click somewhere b4 the panel shows up. vmware-server isn't available yet(I know it's coming), certain updates kill my system, trying to erase annotations locks up my system but audio/video still play....
[03:53] <MisterN__> h1st0: i don't use it, but... why do you call it a beta if it's not meant for use?
[03:53] <MTecknology> eh, i think that's it - my stylus is a whole nother ball of crap - but i managed to get it going as well as i did in 7.04
[03:54] <h1st0> MisterN__: lookup beta
[03:54] <MTecknology> Xero, b/c > keeps everything out of the channel
[03:54] <MisterN__> h1st0: i think i know what beta means.
[03:54] <h1st0> MisterN__: not if you think its ready for use
[03:54] <kyja> help pls.
[03:55] <Xero> Beta means the second stage of testing.
[03:55] <crdlb> beta means it's ready for testing
[03:55] <Xero> More stable than Alpha, but not meant for production use.
[03:55] <MisterN__> "A beta version is the first version released outside the organization or community that develops the software, for the purpose of evaluation or real-world black/grey-box testing. The process of delivering a beta version to the users is called beta release. Beta level software generally includes all features, but may also include known issues and bugs of a less serious variety."
[03:55] <MisterN__> this sounds like usable for me.
[03:55] <MTecknology> I think it's time to see if 7.10 supports out printer here.....
[03:55] <MisterN__> -for+to
[03:56] <kyja> installed 7.10 works like a charm. hp zd8000 laptop. works great except for 15-20 minutes it shuts off. like the plug gets pulled
[03:56] <MisterN__> sure, not for production use. but "use" is a broader term, isn't it?
[03:56] <crdlb> MisterN__, you shouldn't expect it to work, and if it doesn't, you should file a bug
[03:56] <crdlb> that's what beta means
[03:56] <Xero> 7.10 > certain activities I like to do with women.
[03:56] <h1st0> MisterN__: key wordsin there "for the purpose of evaluation or real-world black/gre-box testing."
[03:56] <MisterN__> h1st0: especially the "real-world"
[03:57] <leku> hi
[03:57] <Xero> looooool beta argument
[03:57] <MisterN__> but how is real-world testing supposed to take place when you tell everybody that he shouldn't do it?
[03:57] <h1st0> yeap
[03:57] <leku> I can't do 'reload' in the synaptic package manager
[03:57] <h1st0> Thats fine use it if you want just all these people that come in here wanting support for it are miss informed
[03:57] <leku> it just sits there saying downloading file 1 of 11
[03:57] <Xero> I think I pretty much hit the nail on the head with what I said.
[03:57] <Xero> 2nd test stage, better than alpha, no production use
[03:58] <MisterN__> Xero: well and you're right
[03:58] <crdlb> Xero, nah you hit my foot :o
[03:58] <leku> it says it could not download all repository indexes
[03:58] <MisterN__> but that's not the prevailing opinion it seems
[03:58] <leku> but when i do an apt-get update it works fine
[03:58] <Xero> crdlb, I'm sorry. Would you like a cookie?
[03:58] <crdlb> Xero, yes please
[03:58] <Xero> WELL TOO BAD
[03:58] <crdlb> :(
[03:58] <MisterN__> the prevailing opinion is: "beta is alpha" - or so it seems to me
[03:58] <leku> is there something wrong with http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/ ?
[03:59] <Xero> Beta is technically alpha 6, but I agree with MisterN__ here.
[03:59] <crdlb> MisterN__, a lot of people complain when a beta doesn't work properly or eats their data, etc
[03:59] <crdlb> h1st0's attitude is just reactionary to that
[03:59] <Xero> ttum tum data in the tum tum
[03:59] <Xero> replace the first tum tum with yum yum
[04:00] <MisterN__> crdlb: a beta shouldn't eat data - of course, you can't guarantee it, but...
[04:00] <crdlb> it only takes one bug to eat your data
[04:00] <Xero> the Vista beta -- and Vista release -- eat data.
[04:01] <MisterN__> crdlb: yes, and it is quite likely that there is even more than one bug in the release
[04:01] <Booh-> I want to wype out UTF-8... is it possible?
[04:01] <Xero> Are. Oh. Eff. Ell.
[04:01] <Booh-> I tried to modify /etc/environment /etc/locale.gen /etc/default/locale
[04:01] <Xero> Why would you want to do that Booh-?
[04:02] <Booh-> I do locale-gen and dpkg-reconfigure localeconf
[04:02] <Booh-> but I always have us_en.utf-8 generated!! I need iso-8859-1
[04:02] <Xero> Once again, why would you want to do that?
[04:03] <Booh-> I want to install DB2 v.8.1 and DB2 detect utf-8... and stop.  DB2 need iso-8859-1
[04:03] <Xero> Someone help him. I don't know how to do this, or how to handle with killing UTF-8.
[04:03] <Booh-> IBM DB2
[04:04] <Booh-> in fact, I search on this since 3 days... nobody seems to know how!
[04:04] <Xero> s/him/'him/her'
[04:04] <Booh-> But... in ubuntu website, there is a very big lie... about ubuntu support IBM DB2
[04:04] <Jordan_U> Booh-, That seems strange that you would need to change the locale for DB2 to work
[04:04] <leku> hey guys
[04:04] <Booh-> strange but true
[04:04] <leku> synaptic and gnome update-manager wont' work on my gutsy system
[04:04] <leku> but apt-get works fine
[04:05] <Xero> Hello leku.
[04:05] <leku> the guis just sit there like they can't talk to the repos for some reason
[04:05] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Can you pastebin the exact error?
[04:05] <leku> i looked at my apt.sources and i commented out everything except the normal ubuntu stuff
[04:05] <Jordan_U> Booh-, And why are you asking in #ubuntu+1?
[04:05] <pppoe_dude> anyone experiencing DNS slowness in gutsy?
[04:05] <leku> and did apt-get update, still having problem
[04:06] <Jordan_U> leku, Can you pastebin the output of apt-get update?
[04:06] <MisterN__> good night
[04:06] <leku> sure 1s
[04:06] <Jordan_U> Booh-, How did you install DB2 ?
[04:07] <Booh->  (path)/db2langdir: error while loading shared libraries: libm.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:07] <Booh->  ./db2setup of course.
[04:07] <Booh-> I ever install it twice with a modify Debian...
[04:07] <Booh-> 4 years ago
[04:08] <Booh-> If I look inside directories, there is not en_us.utf-8 directory... but there is en_us.iso-8859-1 and C also.
[04:08] <Booh-> too* I mean
[04:08] <Booh-> and other language.
[04:09] <leku> http://rafb.net/p/Vtx2rq58.html
[04:09] <Jordan_U> leku, ... What is wrong with that?
[04:09] <leku> nothing
[04:10] <leku> but synaptic and the gnome-update-manager and restricted driver manager are broken
[04:10] <Booh-> I would like to generate the iso-8859-1 at minimum!!  Now, locale-gen gives me only utf-8
[04:10] <leku> they timeout trying to talk to http://us.ubuntu.com or whatever
[04:11] <leku> here is my sources.list
[04:11] <leku> http://rafb.net/p/yD2QWY28.html
[04:11] <Booh-> Jordan_U, I ask in #ubuntu+1 because nobody on other chan know... here, probably skills is better for this kind of question
[04:12] <Jordan_U> leku, You should file a bug against Synaptic then ( after checking that one has not been filed already )
[04:12] <leku> it's not in synaptic
[04:12] <Xero> Quit message test.
[04:13] <leku> it's not a bug
[04:13] <leku> something is just hosed on my box
[04:13] <Jordan_U> leku, If apt-get update works, but "reload" in Synaptic does not, how is that not a bug in synaptic?
[04:13] <leku> because it is in gnome-update-manager to
[04:13] <leku> too
[04:13] <Xero> Did it work?
[04:14] <Jordan_U> * Xero has quit ("This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already ex")
[04:14] <Xero> Sh**
[04:14] <MTecknology> After downloading my driver - my printer worked no questions asked. Never had that happen in 7.04 or windows :D
[04:15] <Jordan_U> leku, Then file a bug against both, I think that update-manager uses synaptic to a certain extent, or they both use common libraries ( many of the dialogs look the same )
[04:15] <Jordan_U> leku, Wherever the bug is, it is none the less a bug
[04:16] <Jordan_U> Booh-, What is the output of "locate libm.so.6" ?
[04:17] <colin_> i'm having my audio come outta both my internal laptop speakers and the headphone port and the mixers
[04:17] <colin_> dont work
[04:18] <wasabi> SO everytime dpkg tries to restart network manager..... my keyboard stops working
[04:18] <leku> i wonder if having automatix on here before
[04:18] <leku> fucked me over
[04:18] <wasabi> What might be up with this
[04:18] <Booh-> Jordan_U, db2langdir switch to the right language dir from autodetect lang and charset... I have the list... and I need ISO-8859-1
[04:19] <Booh-> I ... REALLY... need... to pass my OS to ISO-8859-1
[04:19] <Booh-> but UTF-8 is like a virus... you can get rid of!
[04:20] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Again, why are you asking this in #ubuntu+1 ?
[04:20] <Booh-> Jordan_U, I ask in #ubuntu+1 because nobody on other chan know... here, probably skills is better for this kind of question
[04:20] <Booh-> Nobody knows about locales
[04:20] <h1st0> !locales > Booh-
[04:20] <Booh-> nobody on ubuntu know how it works
[04:20] <Jordan_U> Booh-, So what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[04:21] <Booh-> 7.04 server
[04:21] <Booh-> And I think, there is a chance that in a chan of beta version, there will be more competent people
[04:21] <Booh-> a kind of power user...
[04:22] <NightBird> my... mouse isn't working...
[04:22] <wasabi> Yeah so restarting network manger manually does it.
[04:22] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Have you looked at the link from Ubotu?
[04:22] <Booh-> h1st0, I already try it 3 days ago... without success!
[04:22] <MTecknology> aside from the few bugs I've seen - 7.10 has been insanely awesome... I think I'm going to try to see if my issue has been reported already
[04:23] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Including the part "For Anti-UTF-8 people" ?
[04:23] <wasabi> Why would you think UTF-8 sucks? How silly.
[04:23] <Booh-> en_ca, en_us, fr_ca etc... change.  No prob.   I managed to get it to work...
[04:25] <patrickkkkkkkkkk> hey i cant write to an external harddrive, using gusty beta.... heres my fstab http://rafb.net/p/uaMeaC41.html
[04:25] <MTecknology> how do i search launchpad for bugs?
[04:25] <wasabi> Why would you think UTF-8 sucks? How silly.
[04:25] <wasabi> OOps.
[04:26] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Have you tried IBM support?
[04:26] <tonyyarusso> haha, IBM support...
[04:26] <Jordan_U> patrickkkkkkkkkk, What FS?
[04:27] <tonyyarusso> !bugs | MTecknology
[04:27] <ubotu> MTecknology: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:28] <Booh-> Let me tell you something...  I adopt ubuntu and linux to have choice.  To stop Microsoft force me to do things like microsoft... and start having choice and liberty of open source software.  And now, everybody I talk in linux chans, try to convince me to switch to utf-8.  Where is my liberty?  Please... just let me use ISO and if you can help me to switch to iso ok, I will be happy.  If not, don't think your way is the only one...  I don't know why ubuntu try to force people going to utf-8 instead of letting people choose... like the linux philosophy.
[04:30] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Ubuntu isn't forcing you to do anything, it just sounds like a bug.
[04:30] <Booh-> A lot of people always ask me why I want to switch... etc etc... I don't want to discuss my choice, I'm in my project since 2 weeks.  I don't want to start explaining choice since the begining... just want to swtich.  That's it.  But nobody knows...
[04:32] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Also, maybe I just have a different perspective, but it seems strange to me that someone using DB2 would be asking for community support.
[04:33] <Booh-> It's a long story..
[04:33] <Booh-> The license is bought from Accpac, accounting software.
[04:33] <Booh-> IBM doesn't give support... I have to ask Accpac.  But Accpac:
[04:34] <Booh-> 1) s...cks!  and always have an excuse to don't support.  (they prefer windows servers)
[04:34] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Would it be possible for you to use Dapper, since it is an LTS version it is probably what was certified to work with DB2, it also might not have the same bug that is preventing you from changing locales
[04:34] <Booh-> 2) I want to use Ubuntu or Debian.  But... they want Suse pro or Redhat..
[04:35] <EvanCarroll_home> seems as if volatile/nvidia.ko, was renamed to volatile/new_nvidia.ko, without symlink
[04:35] <Booh-> LTS is too old...
[04:35] <EvanCarroll_home> anyone confirm problems with amd64 and nvidia
[04:35] <Booh-> I have nvidia on my laptop amd64... run very well
[04:36] <Booh-> I dist-upgrade 6 hours ago
[04:36] <frostburn> trackerd crashing upon log bug or a feature?
[04:37] <EvanCarroll_home> I'm having critical problems, now I'm really thinking about downgrading from +1, this bulletproof X has caused me so much grief
[04:37] <EvanCarroll_home> I can't modprobe nvidia, and I get an err in Xorg.log about nvidia failing to load
[04:37] <EvanCarroll_home> nothing has changed
[04:37] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, Bulletproof X hasn't been included yet AFIK
[04:38] <EvanCarroll_home> whatever they call this annoying fallback screen that wants me to override my **custom** monitor with a plugin-play that only goes up to 800x600
[04:39] <EvanCarroll_home> the little monitor selection app, doesn't have my monitor sony multiscan 420gs, it detects the horizrefresh/vertsync right but crashes when i try it, and won't allow me to up the res without editing xorg.conf anyway.
[04:39] <Booh-> I try now to modify /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local and en
[04:39] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, Oh, maybe it has been, according to the page there is still the bug of GDM trying to start another X session and giving an ugly error
[04:39] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/BulletProofX/
[04:40] <EvanCarroll_home> the only difference between this monitor selection and app, and the old way of doing it, is the old way dropped you to a useful console and the new way just annoyingly restarts the app under xinit
[04:41] <EvanCarroll_home> the kicker, if you edit Xorg.conf you have to killall xinit, or you can't restart gdm because the screen is being used by xinit
[04:41] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, Have you tried the tool that lets you load monitor settings from a Windows driver CD ( sorry, I realize that you are having a problem but I am curious )
[04:41] <MTecknology> there we go - my first bug report ever
[04:41] <Jordan_U> MTecknology, What on ( just give the number / URL ) ?
[04:41] <EvanCarroll_home> Jordan_U: no, I throw away all of those. I like most decent geeks have my refresh rates memorized.
[04:42] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/147932
[04:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147932 in gnome-panel "Panel doesn't appear for first logon" [Undecided,New]
[04:42] <EvanCarroll_home> Jordan_U: and if not I would sooner use elinks to find it than scourge through cds, it should also be noted the app does not allow custom entry of rates, it only accepts windows driver cds or the preconfigured list.
[04:43] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, Didn't realize that ( havn't got any HD space for Gutsy currently ), you should file a bug asking for an option for manually entering settings
[04:44] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, Does it still go to this error screen after about a minute ( http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/BulletProofX/100_1118.m.JPG ) if you stay in the configuration dialog?
[04:44] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, did I make a good enough bug report for that?
[04:45] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, I have been trying to hack at a solution myself for a while now and would hate to keep working if this bug has already been fixed
[04:45] <EvanCarroll_home> Jordan_U: I can't view that link, I'm using irssi on console wo/screen right now
[04:46] <EvanCarroll_home> debating on what route I want to take to get X working.
[04:46] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, Basically it (GDM ) tries to start another X session after about a minute of running the configuration dialog because GDM doesn't realize that the X is running properly already
[04:47] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, Which then gives the same error as you would get running xinit with x already running
[04:48] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, If you have a free minute please test to see if this bug is still present, it will save me a lot of time if it's already been fixed
[04:49] <foxiness> hi,on the middle of upgrading "after the fetch step" to Gutsy "the system shoutdown",then normal reboot blankscreen no fn-funcation,after that "ok there are rescue oh yes" then one dpkg --configure -a "a lot of work" Done,reboot still blank screen!,ok what is the next guys?
[04:49] <Jordan_U> Or actually, anyone running Gutsy currently willing to test something for me?
[04:49] <EvanCarroll_home> thats not what I'm expericing, I'm manually killing off xinit, and gdm before restarting init.d/gdm
[04:50] <Kr0ntab> anyone know whther network-manager-vpnc package will be upgraded beyond the current version of 0.6.4svn2422?  Or at least know where one can find out?  Or is it just a waiting game until it hits the repos and packages site?
[04:50] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, sute
[04:50] <MTecknology> sure*
[04:50] <EvanCarroll_home> I'm fairly against this implimentation. It just doesn't give with me. I've got a lot of bugs I'm experiencing across the board with gutsy.
[04:50] <crimsun> gnomefreak: RE: the esd error, I need more info.
[04:50] <EvanCarroll_home> Jordan_U: In my own experience Mergefb is *totally* borked in gutsy too.
[04:50] <EvanCarroll_home> at least with my x61s.
[04:51] <EvanCarroll_home> every time you suspend and bring it back you hard freeze on Xinput. And the stupid autoconfigure utility wants to nuke my hand crafted mergefb config
[04:51] <EvanCarroll_home> which makes me cry.
[04:52] <Jordan_U> MTecknology, foobar your xorg.conf ( and know how to restore it of course ), for instance change the driver to "thisisnotavaliddriver" then restart X, the bulletproof X tool should come up, let it sit there for ~ 2 minutes and see if you you get this error screen http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/BulletProofX/100_1118.m.JPG
[04:53] <patrickkkkkkkkkk> how can you change the trash bin icon?
[04:53] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, foobar?
[04:53] <EvanCarroll_home> i think gutsy has placed so much weight on xinerama, that people don't realize it isn't 3d acceled. which is bad in my eyes.
[04:53] <EvanCarroll_home> and the autoconf app only supports xinerama, and not mergefb/twinview
[04:53] <defcon> in gutsy my X login window, when I login is a resolution too BIG, how to adjust it
[04:53] <defcon> how do i*
[04:54] <Jordan_U> MTecknology, Change it in some way that will keep X from starting correctly, like changing the driver section from "nvidia" to "IlikeKittens" :)
[04:54] <EvanCarroll_home> better xinerama than nothing i suppose, but mergefb is bugged out in gutsy too
[04:54] <foxiness> defcon, vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:54] <nrossin> I have a bunch of videos in a folder and for some reason, I can't figure out how to make Dolphin show previews of them for the icons... how do I set that up?  Right now it just has the Kaffeine icon.
[04:54] <defcon> foxiness, ok which line
[04:54] <EvanCarroll_home> defcon: it isn't the resolution, it is the fonts, that another shitty feature of gutsy. that is the dpi independant font scaling I'm betting that you are seeing.
[04:54] <EvanCarroll_home> defcon: try appearence, fonts, advanced
[04:54] <EvanCarroll_home> or something like that.
[04:55] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, good?  Driver          "Kitties"       #"fglrx"
[04:55] <Jordan_U> MTecknology, Yup
[04:55] <Jordan_U> MTecknology, Remember to wait a minute or two, if the error screen does come up it will take a while
[04:56] <defcon> i think i found it, subsection/ virtual
[04:56] <defcon> changed it to Virtual	1280	1024
[04:56] <defcon> right?
[04:56] <EvanCarroll_home> tias
[04:56] <foxiness> if the system broken on the middle of upgrade and the x broken,how can i restore the system or continue the upgrede ?
[04:56] <defcon> brb
[04:56] <EvanCarroll_home> foxiness: apt-get -f install
[04:56] <Jordan_U> foxiness, Try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:57] <riotkittie> kitties. yay.
[04:57] <Jordan_U> foxiness, Do what EvanCarroll_home said first
[04:57] <MTecknology> Jordan_U: nothing yet
[04:57] <foxiness> hi,on the middle of upgrading "after the fetch step" to Gutsy "the system shoutdown",then normal reboot blankscreen no fn-funcation,after that "ok there are rescue oh yes" then one dpkg --configure -a "a lot of work" Done,reboot still blank screen!,ok what is the next guys?
[04:57] <MTecknology> Ima go pee quick
[04:58] <foxiness> ^^^ i think the step of apt-get -f install not needed right?
[04:58] <nrossin> Is Dolphin capable of showing video previews?
[04:59] <foxiness> and if i do dist-upgrade it say need to get more than 300MB on console am on wireless network or can i ignore it?
[04:59] <MTecknology> Jordan_U: still nothing
[04:59] <Ryo> This is really annoying.  I swear Ubuntu's feature count is going down every day.  Yesterday I lost every single thing in my start menu, now all my screensavers are gone.
[04:59] <Jordan_U> MTecknology, The bug is probably already fixed then.
[05:00] <MTecknology> Jordan_U: tty1 was flickering for a bit - but nothing else
[05:00] <Jordan_U> MTecknology, Which is great, but it makes me feel like an idiot :)
[05:00] <riotkittie> if you are doing dist-upgrade, and you ignore the 300mb of files that you need... its safe to say you wont be dist-upgrading. one assumes
[05:00] <MTecknology> Jordan_U: aight - i'm heading home now :) - ttyal
[05:00] <riotkittie> Ryo: what exactly vanished from your "start menu"?
[05:01] <Ryo> riotkittle:  Application menu.  Sue me.  And every single application link is gone.
[05:01] <h1st0> I had some similiar problems iwth wine disappearing and shortcuts I created with alcarte
[05:01] <foxiness> riotkittie, can i go wireless on console "conn to access point" am using "NetworkManager=roming"
[05:01] <h1st0> Ryo: right click and edit menus make sure its checked to be visible
[05:02] <Ryo> hist0 It can't be checked to visible because it's no longer there.
[05:03] <EvanCarroll_home> Ryo: that's part of the fun that is modern gnome, you either develop it or you're lost, I think the startmenu is store in gconf2, into /usr/share but I'm not sure, I've had this problem and iirc it isn't in ~/.g*
[05:03] <riotkittie> foxiness: yes. you may  need to edit /etc/network/interfaces to manually configure your device and connection, tho
[05:03] <foxiness> Ryo, DnD from bar =add/remove=
[05:04] <npurciful> whats up everyone
[05:04] <foxiness> riotkittie, thanks a lot
[05:04] <foxiness> thanks EvanCarroll_home , Jordan_U
[05:05] <npurciful> I got a question, i once had 3 hdd in my computer (just have 2 now) hda hdb hdd well hdd use to be hda and was my root w/boot and now hda is a new 320g hdd. so i install kubuntu on the new hda install grub to hda but grub also added hdd1 to menu list under 'other'. i no long have that drive connected
[05:05] <Jordan_U> foxiness, np
[05:05] <Ryo> EvanCarroll_home  Well, thanks for for the information.  I guess I'll just try and live with it till they fix it.
[05:06] <Jordan_U> npurciful, "sudo update-grub"
[05:06] <foxiness> i have a lot of work today :) bye
[05:06] <npurciful> I have ran grub-install -recheck /dev/hda && update-grub
[05:06] <Jordan_U> npurciful, Might want to back up your /boot/grub/menu.list first though
[05:06] <Jordan_U> just in case
[05:06] <npurciful> the device.map doesnt show hdd
[05:06] <npurciful> --recheck
[05:06] <EvanCarroll_home> hah! that will never be fixed.
[05:07] <npurciful> but it still comes up with /dev/hdd1 under other
[05:07] <EvanCarroll_home> sorry, dude, random behavoir is the result of anything non-standardized, and gnome doesn't have the galls to push one static config location.
[05:08] <npurciful> using kubuntu, if it makes a diff
[05:08] <EvanCarroll_home> npurciful: does /proc/partitions
[05:09] <riotkittie> hm.  i wonder if my drivers were updated.
[05:09] <npurciful> I check uuid's & fstab for invalid entrys
[05:09] <EvanCarroll_home> hrm, now i feel stupid.
[05:10] <EvanCarroll_home> this is totally screwed up. I wish i knew more about this to file the bug report.
[05:11] <npurciful> soon myth will be freed so i cant reboot going to recover mode cd and run grub from there
[05:12] <npurciful> i mean it isnt a show stopper
[05:12] <npurciful> but a weird oddity
[05:12] <EvanCarroll_home> So I dist-upgraded again in gutsy this morning, and X wouldn't book, I figured shit, Xorg hasn't changed in years!! well that annoying gui app was of absolutely no use at all, but I dpkg-reconfigured xserver-xorg, and slammed enter a bunch -- the Windows way, -- and the damn thing started, with the nv kernel module, which tells me two things, that the error is infact in the nvidia kernel module, and that the gui-bullet proo
[05:13] <EvanCarroll_home> and of coarse the obvious difference, the generated xorg.conf went with the nv kernel module, rather than the nvidia proprietary one i had.
[05:13] <npurciful> hum, updating my self know
[05:14] <dn> ok i was doing my update but after a while it reported that it had failed
[05:14] <dn> it told me to do something dpkg *something* -a but i accidently closed the window
[05:14] <EvanCarroll_home> I wonder if the nvidia module is not compatable with my new kernel build, or if nvidia just wasn't rebuilt for this kernel, nvidia-glx, does not float with 2.6.22 in gutsy.
[05:14] <dn> however, i rebooted and i'm into gutsy and it's -working- but it didn't do the cleanup or anything
[05:14] <EvanCarroll_home> dn: dpkg-reconfigure -a
[05:14] <EvanCarroll_home> dn: that's probably a v. bad idea though.
[05:15] <dn> yea something about addusers and wotnot?
[05:15] <EvanCarroll_home> dn: it stings depending on what your verbosity is when you do it, if you have verbosity too high you can be begining hours of tedium.
[05:15] <dn> verbosity?
[05:15] <EvanCarroll_home> dn: dpkg-reconfigure -a runs post-inst scripts for all of your .debs iirc.
[05:15] <npurciful> rebooting 15min windows
[05:16] <EvanCarroll_home> dn: dpkg has different levels of verbosity, a post-inst script can set a default if the level of verbosity falls under the level required for prompt you get default. however, there could be upwards of 200 questions now in a desktop system, which is a lot of answering if you have it set.
[05:16] <EvanCarroll_home> I've made this mistake **more than once**
[05:16] <dn> yea
[05:17] <dn> as i say, it's -working- i'm just worried it didn't finish the job properly
[05:17] <EvanCarroll_home> dn: to fix the job, a better option is `apt-get -f install`
[05:17] <dn> isn't there a way of 'redoing'  update-manager -c -d
[05:17] <EvanCarroll_home> which will just bring your system to a stable state if it can.
[05:17] <EvanCarroll_home> I don't use update-manager, I find it provides a more rocky update most of the time then the time-tested apt-get
[05:18] <EvanCarroll_home> however, most of the functionality is now across the board to the libapt frontends.
[05:18] <dn> what did you do, put the gutsy repos in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:18] <EvanCarroll_home> precisely.
[05:18] <EvanCarroll_home> open it in vim and :%s/feisty/gutsy/g
[05:19] <dn> is there any way i can manually (quickly preferably of course) do the 'cleanup' that update manager would have provided?
[05:19] <EvanCarroll_home> del the automatix and -backports if you have them too
[05:19] <EvanCarroll_home> dn: manually is bad with package manager. try an apt-get -f install in shell
[05:20] <dn> doing it now.. it's removing 450mb~ of files
[05:20] <EvanCarroll_home> =]
[05:28] <npurciful> that didnt change anything
[05:34] <npurciful> what is the definition of bug
[05:35] <npurciful> the software doesnt behave as intended
[05:36] <|neon|> have anyone tried crossover with gutsy , it will install but no menus are created
[05:39] <EvanCarroll_home> npurciful: be more descriptive..
[05:40] <npurciful> huh?
[05:40] <EvanCarroll_home> what "didn't change anything" and what do you want to happen?
[05:41] <npurciful> oh the grub-install from rescue system menu
[05:41] <npurciful> on installer cd
[05:42] <EvanCarroll_home> how did it not work?
[05:42] <EvanCarroll_home> grub-install /dev/hda
[05:42] <EvanCarroll_home> or whatever you've got.
[05:42] <npurciful> hdd is still showing up in my menu.lst,
[05:43] <EvanCarroll_home> is removing it from the menu.lst manually not an option?
[05:43] <npurciful> we just talk for like 20min about this
[05:43] <EvanCarroll_home> ah
[05:43] <EvanCarroll_home> well then feel free to ignore me, I didn't backlog it =[
[05:43] <npurciful> ah it is ok, there is 240 peeps in here
[05:45] <npurciful> I thought that if i took the OS envirment away maybe it wouldnt find this mythical hdd anymore but i was wrong
[05:45] <EvanCarroll_home> do check out update-grub if you haven't it has docs on how it automagically gens your menu.lst
[05:45] <npurciful> yeah, i update-grub
[05:46] <EvanCarroll_home> does hdd show up in /proc/partitions?
[05:48] <npurciful> cat /proc/partitions nope not there
[05:51] <Fracture> is there any way to tell update-grub that kernel and initrd images aren't in /boot, but in some other folder ?
[05:51] <jscinoz> Hey guys, is there an easy way to tell if ACPI is functioning correctly on my laptop, i've heard that ACPI may not be controlling the GPU fan on this laptop which could result in problems
[05:52] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: I want to say no, and shout at you that it is considered a feature.
[05:53] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: /boot isn't something Ubuntu made up, it a standard in the LFH and a long standard for LSB compliancy
[05:54] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: move /boot to point to wherever your images are, but the images must be in /boot.
[05:54] <EvanCarroll_home> jscinoz: yes, fuck with /proc/acpi
[05:54] <Amaranth> !ohmy
[05:54] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:54] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: hrm.. that's unfortunate.   I have a guts and fiesty installation, both with root partitions on LVM.  I have a single ext3 boot partition.  fiesty and gutsy update-grub can cause issues with eachothers kernels.. so I separate out them into folders of this boot partitiion.
[05:55] <Fracture> for example on gutsy : mount my boot partition on /media/boot then symlink /media/boot/gutsy (where the kernel and initrd are) to /boot
[05:55] <h1st0> Just curious if people have been experiencing random lockups with gutsy?
[05:56] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: that requires a little more explaination about your lvm config
[05:56] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: you have both roots, point to the same lvg?
[05:56] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: nothing to do with lvm config
[05:57] <Fracture> I have /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-fiesty and /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-gutsy as the separate root partitions for each install
[05:58] <Fracture> /dev/sda1 is my boot partition, and it is mounted for both feisty and gutsy at /media/boot.  it contents is like this :
[05:58] <Fracture>  /grub /feisty-boot /gutsy-boot
[05:59] <EvanCarroll_home> so why not just /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-fiesty/boot, and /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-gutsy/boot, and set up grub to boot off of the lvm
[05:59] <Fracture>  /grub contains a menu.list with this :title   Feisty \n configfile /feisty-boot/grub/menu.lst \n \n title Gutsy 5  \n  configfile /gutsy-boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:00] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: from what I could gather, grub can't boot from lvm
[06:00] <EvanCarroll_home> I follow you totally, I'm just not sure why you have a single ext3 boot partition outside of the lvm =[
[06:00] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: I'm 99.9% certain that is incorrect.
[06:01] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: You will have to either use a ram-image or statically compile the lvm modules into the kernel, but I would think it could be done.
[06:01] <Fracture> hrm.. ok.. well.. I would prefer each installation's root fs to contain its own /boot folderto have
[06:01] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: hrm. now, how would I go about doing that ?
[06:01] <EvanCarroll_home> I agree fully, that is the most kosher way to do it
[06:01] <Fracture> I read somewhere that grub2 will support booting of lvm
[06:02] <Fracture> but, information about grub2 is hard to find
[06:02] <EvanCarroll_home> I'm going to google, because I'm interested too.
[06:02] <Marfi> after installing gutsy, the menu in my "applicaitons" menu bar has disapeared. anyone have this problem?
[06:03] <Marfi> or have any diea how to fix it?
[06:03] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: cool.. let me know if you find something
[06:03] <jscinoz> Hey guys, im trying to get sensors-applet to read the temperature from the GPU, i can see this temp in nvidia-settings, but it doesnt appear as an option in sensors-applet, however gkrellm can see it just fine as GPU_C any ideas?
[06:03] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: google lvm boot grub, second link
[06:03] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: possible since 1.95
[06:03] <riotkittie> yen nobe peopre ace dawitf that probelm. no, i dote know how to fix it.
[06:04] <EvanCarroll_home> I'm not as concerned with how it is done, good luck on that =]  I imagine much like raid, which is as i said.
[06:04] <riotkittie> i'm not even going to attempt to retype that. :|
[06:04] <Marfi> im thinking "dang, they are drunk"
[06:05] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home:  Multiple volume groups don't work with GRUB 1.95 however.
[06:05] <riotkittie> no, i'm sober. just sitting at a bad angle :x and my hands were somehow off. :x
[06:05] <Marfi> never would of guessed
[06:05] <riotkittie> hee.
[06:06] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: csv co grub
[06:06] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: lol
[06:06] <Marfi> anyone have an idea about how to redo the menus under the application menu?
[06:06] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: that article is from 8/11 chances are those patches are outside of -dev now.
[06:06] <Fracture> yeah, i'll try with gutsy's grub - 0.97-29ubuntu4
[06:07] <EvanCarroll_home> Marfi: it is a pita, I've raised this issue on numerious occassions with everyone.
[06:07] <Marfi> EvanCarroll_home, is there a fix for it though?
[06:07] <EvanCarroll_home> Marfi: there is a gconf-editor command that will do it, I just forget it.
[06:07] <EvanCarroll_home> Marfi: This is partly because gnome has no logical organization.
[06:08] <Marfi> EvanCarroll_home, hehe  =)
[06:08] <EvanCarroll_home> Marfi: the setting iirc is not in your home dir, it is somewhere distant, and gconf-editor doesn't even have documented the flag you need to get this to work
[06:08] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: I've tried "grub-install /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-gutsy--tribe--5" and I get "/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-gutsy--tribe--5 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive."
[06:08] <Creationist> I'm running Kubunty Gutsy.  If I had problems with nvidia-glx-new (the automatically installed driver), would it be worth trying nvidia-glx?
[06:09] <EvanCarroll_home> Marfi: essentially gnome has a registry like windows, (and soon .net), and like windows, there is little to no logical orgnaization to it, you have environmental variables, /etc/defaults, ~/.gconf ~/.gnome2, and numerious directories in /usr/* iirc and they all cascade for the defaults of gnome.
[06:10] <EvanCarroll_home> the one you speak of is surely in a gconf setting somewhere in a global directory, iirc.
[06:11] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: grub-install iirc, installs to mba on a hw device only. this is something I honestly don't have as much exp on as i should.
[06:11] <Marfi> EvanCarroll_home, i think i get it. when it didn't come up, someone had me run "rm -rf ~/.config/menus" or something like that. the file was empty before then, of course
[06:11] <Marfi> then tried to reinstall gnome-menus
[06:11] <EvanCarroll_home> grub is a chained bootloader, grub in /boot, can chain to another grub on lvm, or you can have grub in boot list both of the kernels in lvm, with the args telling the kernel what to mount as root.
[06:12] <EvanCarroll_home> so it might look something like this kernel=2.6.22-foobarbaz root=/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-gutsy lvm or such
[06:12] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: yeah, I understand all of that.. and I have a setup that works, but whenever update-grub runs after an apt-get update, I have to manually edit the generated menu.lst file to change some bits.
[06:13] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: you might have to tell grub to stop automagically borking your system.
[06:13] <EvanCarroll_home> see /etc/defaults on the lvms.
[06:13] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: what happens then if the apt-get update upgrades the kernel, then I will have to manually upgrade menu.lst
[06:13] <EvanCarroll_home> or chmod the menu.lst and don't allow +w
[06:14] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: you're asking for something that is kind of esoteric ;( you might not get your cake and eat it too on this one. I'm not sure, I don't make a hobby out of lvm and grub.
[06:14] <rafael__> hello
[06:15] <rafael__> is it possible to upgrade my ubuntu feisty fawn to ubuntu gutsy with the iso cd ?
[06:15] <rafael__> please
[06:15] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: well. it shouldn't be esoteric to have 2 or more linux installations using lvm, without having to have separate non lvm boot partitions for them all.
[06:15] <rafael__> ok
[06:15] <rafael__> thank u
[06:16] <Fracture> so, either grub (and related tools) needs to work with boot on lvm, or it needs to support having multipls 'kernel sets' on a single ext3 boot partition
[06:16] <EvanCarroll_home> I wouldn't think so, but I've seen more trival operations that I'm sure have required a more complex configuration than the one you're facing
[06:17] <Viroo> hi
[06:17] <EvanCarroll_home> if update-grub doesn't recurse into lvms I wouldn't expect a simple solution.
[06:17] <Viroo> can anyone see me ?
[06:17] <EvanCarroll_home> Viroo: nope.
[06:17] <cdm10> Has anyone had any problems with Samba in Gutsy?
[06:19] <contrast83> This || close to having a completely smooth-looking boot in Gutsy. :-D
[06:19] <Viroo> I faced a problem with installer of gusty beta
[06:19] <Viroo> is the installer buggy?  it stops at the gparted without responding
[06:19] <cdm10> Viroo: It may well be buggy, it's a beta.
[06:19] <cdm10> !alternate | Viroo
[06:20] <Viroo> it stops while scanning disks , reaches 53%, then keeps waiting forver
[06:20] <HugLeo> teste
[06:20] <ubotu> Viroo: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[06:20] <Viroo> I didnt see the alternate when i wanted to download the cd
[06:21] <Viroo> I always liked the alternate better
[06:22] <cps1966> !fsck
[06:22] <ubotu> fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[06:22] <Creationist> I need to get the proprietary nVidia drivers working.  The nvidia-glx-new completely screws up my resolution and nvidia-glx gives a lot of errors when I run glxinfo.  Anyone have any ideas what I can try next?
[06:23] <Marfi> got an error message!  =) "failed loading - applications.menu"
[06:23] <HugLeo> part
[06:24] <Marfi> anyone know how i can recover the options that were under my application menu?
[06:24] <cps1966> Marfi:  nkde or gnome
[06:24] <Marfi> gnome
[06:25] <cps1966> if you delete gnome2 dir in home it should return to normal
[06:26] <contrast83> won't that delete all his other gnome-related preferences as well?
[06:26] <kyja> it appears that my ati mobility radion x600 over clocks and kills my computer. just like plug gets pulled. runs the cpu cyles up high. I have a 3.4 ghz p4 with that hyper threading like it has two cpu's. I have tried this with both non restricted graphics drivers and also the restricted ati driver.
[06:26] <mikubuntu> help... anybody else having the problems with screen that i have since doing upgrade to gutsy?  split screen, two cursors, etc... ?
[06:26] <cps1966> yes
[06:27] <contrast83> i thought gnome used ~/.config/menus for its menus, but i'm on kde so i can't say for sure.
[06:27] <mikubuntu> cpsl: so what's the fix?
[06:27] <cps1966> i dont have gnome atm so i cant say
[06:28] <Creationist> I need to get the proprietary nVidia drivers working.  The nvidia-glx-new completely screws up my resolution and nvidia-glx gives a lot of errors when I run glxinfo.  Anyone have any ideas what I can try next?
[06:28] <mikubuntu> i thought the developers would have got a handle on it and fixed through updates, but not yet ...
[06:28] <cps1966> i have my own problems with second sata controler
[06:28] <contrast83> Creationist: what card?
[06:28] <Marfi> cps1966, completely remove the gnome2 directory?
[06:29] <kyja> mikubuntu, have you tried the screen and graphics control pannel? that handles multiheaded screens
[06:29] <cps1966> i would or rename it
[06:29] <contrast83> Marfi: see if ~/.config/menus exists first. if it does, try deleting that first.
[06:30] <Marfi> contrast83, the folder exists, yes
[06:30] <contrast83> Marfi: does it look like it's the one that was changed by whatever you did?
[06:30] <cps1966> just rename it
[06:31] <Marfi> contrast83, there is nothing showing up when i click the applications
[06:31] <Creationist> contrast83: It's an nVidia Geforce 6200
[06:31] <mikubuntu> kyja: ya, i've tried all the screen control areas i could find ... :(
[06:31] <Marfi> renamed it, re-applied the applet, and nothing happened
[06:32] <Marfi> contrast83, what do you mean?
[06:32] <cps1966> Marfi:  restartxserver
[06:32] <Marfi> kk
[06:33] <contrast83> Creationist: you *could* try manually installing the driver from nVidia's site.
[06:33] <Marfi> nada. =/
[06:33] <Creationist> contrast83: Hmm... I had to do that back with Edgy
[06:34] <Marfi> any more ideas?
[06:35] <contrast83> Creationist: i've had to do that a couple times. seems my card is picky about what packages it'll cozy up to.
[06:35] <Creationist> okay... brb
[06:35] <cps1966> Marfi:  what exactly is missing
[06:36] <Marfi> cps1966, on the menu bar, everything under "applications" is gone. the things under place and system are all there
[06:36] <skinnypuppy1334> Anyone successfully remote gnome-session through ssh? I can ssh -X to another lan ubuntu and run single programs no prob. I want to be able to use all 3lan p/c's from one location with f2 f5 f12 etc.
[06:37] <Marfi> cps1966, when i click applications, it will show up a small box like there was never anything there to begin with
[06:37] <cps1966> maybe right click it and see what it says
[06:37] <skinnypuppy1334> I had tried pretty much everything mentioned in this thread but to no avail.
[06:37] <skinnypuppy1334> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=544567&highlight=ssh+gnome-session
[06:37] <Marfi> right click, edit menus, "starting main menu," and closes right back out
[06:38] <cps1966> edit menu
[06:38] <skinnypuppy1334> Gutsy Fiesty and dapper one of each all openssh
[06:38] <Marfi> i was able to get an error message, "failure loading - applications.menu"
[06:39] <Marfi> i did, right clicked it, edit menu, said "starting menu" and it closed while loading
[06:39] <cps1966> then you need task gnome
[06:39] <Marfi> cps1966, how do i go about getting that?
[06:40] <cps1966> synaptic
[06:40] <cps1966> just open a terminal or alt f1
[06:40] <Marfi> what is the name of the package? task gnome?
[06:41] <cps1966> i think so
[06:41] <Marfi> not there. only thing is "tasks" which is a scheduler. didn't see it under "gnome tasks" either
[06:42] <DanaG> bug 121833
[06:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[06:42] <DanaG> And what's worse, I now have to press my brightness keys FIVE times between brightness levels.
[06:43] <cps1966> oh ok ubuntu-desktop
[06:43] <Marfi> cps1966, holy hell, how was it not installed on my computer? lol
[06:44] <cps1966> its the meta package that installs all gnome goodies
[06:45] <cps1966> updating sometimes takes things out and dont replace them
[06:46] <cps1966> Marfi:  i use to many distros also
[06:47] <Marfi> cps1966, i also have ubuntustudio on here for looks, because it gives the taskbar a nice effect. thats what the problem was. thx a ton! *continues reinstalling(
[06:47] <cps1966> np
[06:48] <Marfi> cps1966, how many different versions of ubuntu are there? lol
[06:48] <cps1966> mint is one
[06:48] <cps1966> and about 7 others
[06:49] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: I found a solution - I patch update-grub by changing kernel_dir from /boot to /gutsy-5-boot - this is the variable it uses to write the kernel and initrd lines to menu.lst.
[06:51] <contrast83> mint isn't a version of ubuntu anymore than ubuntu is a version of debian. they're forks.
[06:51] <contrast83> err, derivatives.
[06:51] <cps1966> funny it use ubuntu repositories
[06:52] <contrast83> along with its own, i believe.
[06:52] <cps1966> nope
[06:52] <cps1966> just ubuntu
[06:53] <contrast83> erm... so the packages that contain all the mint artwork are in ubuntu's repos?
[06:53] <cps1966> maybe or on install cd
[06:54] <contrast83> hmm... last time i tried out mint, there *were* at least a couple non-ubuntu repositories in the default sources.list. my mistake, if that's changed since then.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> cps1966: uh?  mint doesnt have it's stuff in our repos.
[06:56] <cps1966> hey i didn't say it did
[06:56] <cps1966> its just a art work is all
[06:57] <Hobbsee> cps1966: last i checked, even the mint artwork isnt in our repos
[06:57] <cps1966> or theme
[06:57] <Hobbsee> (or else, i need to stop rejecting mint bugs, and send them elsewhere)
[06:58] <cps1966> Hobbsee:  when is fsck going to be fixed
[06:58] <Hobbsee> cps1966: when someone fixes it.
[06:58] <contrast83> heh
[06:59] <cps1966> is that going to happen before release
[07:04] <DanaG> my bug: bug 121833
[07:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[07:05] <mon^rch> any luck installing vmware on gutsy folks?
[07:06] <Hobbsee> mon^rch: server? player?  workstation?
[07:06] <chotchki> hey guys, i just updated my gusty install for amd64... and kdeinit and kdm are all kinds of broken
[07:06] <mon^rch> workstation 6
[07:06] <Hobbsee> chotchki: more info?
[07:06] <chotchki>  anyone else seeing this issue? (im getting some kind of core bus error)
[07:07] <chotchki> Hobbsee: im trying to track down the exact error
[07:07] <chotchki> but ive been seeing it on an off with other programs in the last week
[07:07] <HealthyElijah> chotchki: did u use iso?
[07:08] <HealthyElijah> image on cd?
[07:08] <chotchki> HealthyElijah: nope, ive been slowly following gutsy since the branch occured
[07:09] <HealthyElijah> A developer was in another channle earlier and said not to update o Gutsy it will break things
[07:10] <alka_trash> since upgrading to gutsy I have not been able to disable irc login and outs with pidgin.  I can't freaking find the setting. I have enabled IRC helper, but I can't  find it.  please help me on this EASY issue. Thanks
[07:10] <HealthyElijah> He suggested using a ISO
[07:10] <jmg_> an
[07:10] <HealthyElijah> I read another report that a upgrade went bad and the user was forcsed to do a clean install
[07:11] <HealthyElijah> alka_trash: I have been trying to do that for 1 month. What was the command in the first place? Everyone I ever asked on IRC said I couldn't.
[07:11] <chotchki> yuck, that will be painful
[07:11] <chotchki> (xfs soft-raid)
[07:11] <KalEl> hi, while trying to upgrade from 7.04, my installation stops
[07:12] <chotchki> serves me right though
[07:12] <KalEl> i believe this file is not in the server: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-security/universe/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz2
[07:12] <KalEl> can i somehow still try to install? may be somehow can i specify a mirror...?
[07:13] <HealthyElijah> alka_trash: was there ever a setting?
[07:13] <alka_trash> HealthyElijah:  you have to install the pidgin plugin pack
[07:13] <HealthyElijah> hmm
[07:13] <DanaG> I hate having to press my brightness key 3 times to get the next brightness level.
[07:13] <alka_trash> and it add IRC helper, and it lets you suppress the login. logout messages
[07:14] <alka_trash> but I can't find the setting :(
[07:15] <HealthyElijah> thanks
[07:16] <philip> anyone having trouble with KTorrent?
[07:21] <contrast83> not i. what's the problem?
[07:22] <alka_trash> I found it!
[07:22] <jscinoz__> hey guys
[07:22] <alka_trash> install the pidgin plugin pak, then under plugins it's now called Join/Part Hiding
[07:22] <alka_trash> done  :)
[07:23] <jscinoz__> What is the max idle temp a nvidia GPU in a laptop should have?
[07:25] <shiznit> anyone use a dock app?
[07:25] <jscinoz__> Yes shiznit, i use avant-window-navigator
[07:25] <shiznit> is it good
[07:25] <jscinoz__> Yes, best dock in my opinion
[07:25] <shiznit> runs on gutsy?
[07:26] <jscinoz__> yep
[07:26] <jscinoz__> if you give me a sec
[07:26] <jscinoz__> i can get you repos for i
[07:26] <jscinoz__> it
[07:26] <shiznit> sure
[07:27] <jscinoz__> deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42 gutsy all
[07:28] <jscinoz__> deb-src http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42 gutsy all
[07:28] <shiznit> i add those to the main repo list?
[07:28] <jscinoz__> yeah, /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:28] <jscinoz__> just shove those lines at the bottom
[07:28] <jscinoz__> and do an apt-get update
[07:29] <contrast83> "# echo 'deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42 gutsy all' >> /etc/apt/sources.list" - is that considered unsafe?
[07:30] <shiznit> i got some no public key available error
[07:30] <jscinoz__> ah hang on
[07:30] <jscinoz__> let me find you key
[07:31] <jscinoz__> gimme a few mins, gotta open firefox - startup session of 200+ tabs >_<
[07:31] <shiznit> lol
[07:31] <shiznit> u better have your tab bar on the side for that
[07:31] <jscinoz__> what was that command again contrast? gpg --keyserver something --recv something
[07:31] <jscinoz__> hehe
[07:32] <jscinoz__> good thing i have 4gb of ram, or 3.5gb as 32bit ubuntu sees it
[07:32] <contrast83> jscinoz__: i just do "wget http://key.url -O- | apt-key add -"
[07:32] <shiznit> yea i hata that limitatio, on my desktop it only sees 3.2
[07:32] <jscinoz__> yeah but i gotta find the url for the key
[07:32] <shiznit> damn 8800gtx stealing my ram
[07:32] <jscinoz__> wait theres an easier way..
[07:32] <shiznit> i should kick it
[07:33] <contrast83> ohh... not sure.
[07:33] <jscinoz__> i had it written down in a file somewhere....
[07:33] <contrast83> shiznit: i'll take that off your hands. you can have my 7600gs. :-P
[07:33] <jscinoz__> shiznit, what is the key it asks for when you apt-get update
[07:33] <shiznit> lol
[07:33] <jscinoz__> it should be an 8-16 hex code
[07:33] <shiznit>  NO_PUBKEY<PHONE_NUMBER>34D43A
[07:33] <jscinoz__> alright one sec
[07:34] <jscinoz__> gah firefox is taking its time
[07:34] <jscinoz__> this many tabs = bad
[07:34] <jscinoz__> any time now...
[07:34] <shiznit> opera 9.5 is crazy fast
[07:34] <contrast83> jscinoz__: i think firefox has a command line option for starting a new session
[07:35] <jscinoz__> probably. but ohwell
[07:35] <jscinoz__> shiznit, you start opera with over 200 tabs see how long it takes :P
[07:35] <contrast83> http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42/8434D43A.gpg
[07:35] <jscinoz__> fine then
[07:35] <jscinoz__> beat me too it :P
[07:35] <jscinoz__> to*
[07:35] <contrast83> so "wget -q http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42/8434D43A.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -"
[07:37] <contrast83> anyone know of a gutsy repo for kiba-dock?
[07:37] <shiznit> says soemthing about a virtual package and that i need to explicitly select
[07:37] <jscinoz__> a quick way to do it if you cant find the key easily is: "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv KEYHASH && gpg --export --armor KEYHASH | sudo apt-key add -"
[07:38] <jscinoz__> shiznit, try the package avant-window-navigator
[07:38] <jscinoz__> should get the deps
[07:38] <shiznit> i did
[07:38] <contrast83> replace KEYHASH with the key's filename, right?
[07:38] <shiznit> its says Package avant-window-navigator is a virtual package provided by:
[07:38] <shiznit>   avant-window-navigator-bzr 0.1.2-bzr121-1
[07:38] <shiznit> You should explicitly select one to install.
[07:38] <shiznit> E: Package avant-window-navigator has no installation candidate
[07:38] <contrast83> sudo apt-get install avant-window-navigator-bzr
[07:39] <jscinoz__> yes
[07:39] <jscinoz__> oh yeah it is the bzr one :P
[07:40] <shiznit> ok what now
[07:40] <jscinoz__> install that package
[07:40] <shiznit> i did
[07:40] <jscinoz__> then run "avant-window-navigator"
[07:41] <jscinoz__> it should appear
[07:41] <jscinoz__> you need to be running a composite window manager
[07:41] <jscinoz__> eg compiz :P
[07:41] <shiznit> i am
[07:41] <shiznit> but i got error message
[07:41] <jscinoz__> saying?
[07:41] <shiznit> a motherload of stuff
[07:42] <shiznit> i probably need to pastebin it, i tried installing cairo before this and it might have messed up something
[07:42] <shiznit> i though i got rid of everything
[07:42] <jscinoz__> hmm
[07:42] <jscinoz__> pastebin it
[07:43] <jscinoz__> in the meantime... is it possible to override the package version created with dpkg-buildpackage
[07:43] <contrast83> can't you just "aptitude purge" it?
[07:43] <jscinoz__> nah
[07:44] <jscinoz__> im making a patched sensors-applet
[07:44] <jscinoz__> but update-manager tries to replace it with normal one
[07:44] <jscinoz__> so i need to add something to its version
[07:44] <shiznit> http://pastebin.com/m564454af
[07:45] <jscinoz__> well shit
[07:45] <jscinoz__> No idea whats causing that
[07:45] <shiznit> maybe the apt-get autoremove i did? it said to do it lol
[07:45] <jscinoz__> hmm
[07:45] <jscinoz__> not sure...
[07:46] <contrast83> jscinoz__: ohh, i misunderstood. so you want to hold sensors-applet at its current version, right?
[07:46] <jscinoz__> yes, and without using the lock version thing
[07:47] <shiznit> is there a log of all package installations, so i can see what that cairo-dock .deb added
[07:47] <mikubuntu> anybody have a fix for the gutsy screen problems yet?
[07:47] <contrast83> jscinoz__: the lock version think in Synaptic?
[07:48] <jscinoz__> Thats my last resort, im planning on distributing the package so i need it to think its higher than 1.7.12+dfsg, maybe add a +nv to the end of the version
[07:48] <jscinoz__> shiznit, not sure, if there is it might be in /var/cache/apt
[07:48] <contrast83> shiznit: how did you install it?
[07:48] <shiznit> i dowloaded the .deb and double clicked
[07:49] <contrast83> hmm... anyone know what backend that uses?
[07:49] <contrast83> jscinoz__: why'd you run awn as root? -_~
[07:49] <jscinoz__> i didnt
[07:49] <jscinoz__> you mean shiznit
[07:50] <contrast83> oop, sorry. heh
[07:50] <jscinoz__> shiznit, run avant-window-navigator without sudo
[07:50] <jscinoz__> see if it works then
[07:50] <shiznit> ok lol
[07:50] <shiznit> that woks now
[07:50] <shiznit> <-nub
[07:51] <contrast83> just FWI, *never* run any GUI apps with sudo. always use gksu or kdesudo instead
[07:51] <contrast83> FYI*
[07:51] <shiznit> ok will do, thanks for all the help
[07:51] <contrast83> np
[07:52] <shiznit> can i add shortcut icons to this
[07:52] <shiznit> oh ok "lauchers"
[07:52] <shiznit> i see it
[07:52] <contrast83> shiznit: should be able to just drag and drop from the applications menu
[07:52] <jscinoz__> yep
[07:53] <jscinoz__> Avant is awesome
[07:53] <jscinoz__> and theres a whole bunch of plugins you can get to add features
[07:53] <jscinoz__> like a curved dock and other cool stuff
[07:53] <jscinoz__> like integration with pidgin
[07:53] <contrast83> i would be using Avant instead of Kiba, but it seems Kiba plays slightly better with KDE.
[07:53] <shiznit> i need this so i can get rid of one of the bars,
[07:54] <shiznit> need my vertical realestate
[07:55] <jscinoz__> doesnt the panel take up less verticale space than the dock...
[07:55] <shiznit> not if you autohide, i just need it for launchers
[07:55] <shiznit> can you move it to the top
[07:58] <jscinoz__> hang on
[07:58] <jscinoz__> probably, you might need a plugin
[07:58] <shiznit> the spotlight effect is sweet
[07:58] <contrast83> if not, you *can* move Kiba-Dock to the top. there's not a Gutsy repo for it yet, but Trevino's Feisty one is working fine for me so far.
[07:59] <jscinoz__> i m not running compiz or anything 3d atm as ACPI is being a bitch about running my GPU's fans
[07:59] <shiznit> acpi has contol of gpu fan?
[07:59] <jscinoz__> apparently it should
[08:00] <jscinoz__> this is a laptop btw
[08:00] <shiznit> ok
[08:00] <contrast83> afaik, acpi controls everything power/cooling-related
[08:00] <jscinoz__> my GPU seems to overheat, the screen scrambles and the system hangs
[08:00] <shiznit> it probably one fan for gpu and cpu,
[08:00] <shiznit> with heatpipes from both
[08:01] <fignew> jscinoz__: what type of vidcard?
[08:01] <jscinoz__> contrast83, figured out how to ovverride version, add a new entry in pkgsrc/debian/changlog
[08:02] <jscinoz__> fignew, 8400M GS
[08:02] <mikubuntu> does anybody know where tomboy notes are stored by default?
[08:02] <fignew> nvidia?
[08:02] <jscinoz__> yep
[08:02] <fignew> binary drivers?
[08:03] <shiznit> brb
[08:03] <mikubuntu> does anybody know where tomboy notes are stored by default?
[08:04] <jscinoz__> fignew, yes
[08:04] <fignew> jscinoz__: install nvidia_settings
[08:04] <jscinoz__> its installed
[08:04] <fignew> sorry, nvidia-settings
[08:04] <jscinoz__> well, the one contained in the nvidia-glx-new package
[08:04] <fignew> and that'll give you the temperature
[08:05] <fignew> of your GPU... ACPI has nothing to do with the GPU fans
[08:05] <contrast83> jscinoz__: oh ok. the only packages i've "made" were with checkinstall. i want to learn how to make real packages, but i don't even know enough about make to do that yet. :-\
[08:06] <jscinoz__> fignew, what causes the problem where on heavy load for extended periods of time the screen becomes scrambled and my system hangs? overheating?
[08:06] <jscinoz__> contrast83, install the package epm, good way to build packages easily
[08:06] <fignew> does nvidia-settings say it's running hot?
[08:06] <jscinoz__> fignew, 70C at idle
[08:06] <jscinoz__> not running compiz or anything 3d
[08:06] <contrast83> jscinoz__: standards-compliant packages?
[08:06] <jscinoz__> contrast83, not sure
[08:06] <shiznit> damn dude, my 8800gtx idles at 60
[08:07] <fignew> yea, 70 is pretty hot
[08:07] <jscinoz__> yeah but i'm on a laptop
[08:07] <jscinoz__> for a laptop?
[08:07] <shiznit> i know but it still seems hot
[08:07] <fignew> well *70* is fine, but mine goes up 20c under load
[08:07] <fignew> and 90c isn't good ;)
[08:08] <shiznit> speaking of nvidia, the only way i could get the 8800gtx to work with fiesy was Envy, i had to use vesa until that script installed the driver
[08:08] <shiznit> i tried nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-new, and the binary, nothing worked
[08:08] <jscinoz__> hmm
[08:09] <jscinoz__> i'm going to start a game and crank it up to max detail and see what temp gets to
[08:09] <shiznit> it would "failed to initialize, no screens found every time
[08:09] <jscinoz__> and run compiz at the same time
[08:09] <fignew> that's not that stressful for the card
[08:10] <jscinoz__> alright, running compiz + awn, starting a game to see temp rise
[08:10] <jscinoz__> it rose 5C from compiz + awn
[08:11] <jscinoz__> ~85C at load, is that ok fignew
[08:11] <jscinoz__> fignew, what would be a way to max load the card?
[08:11] <jscinoz__> is there anything like 3dsmax for linux?
[08:12] <bur[n] er> blender does 3d stuff, but i know nothing if it's like 3dsmax
[08:12] <jscinoz__> what would put the heaviest load on the card?
[08:12] <jscinoz__> compiz-fusion + avant-window navigator + savage on full detail (25fps) rose the temp to 85C
[08:12] <fignew> glxgears seems to heat my card up alittle
[08:12] <fignew> you play savage?
[08:13] <contrast83> load up several visualizers at once?
[08:13] <jscinoz__> yes
[08:13] <fignew> me too :)
[08:13] <shiznit> 85 isnt bad
[08:13] <shiznit> i wouldnt worry about it
[08:13] <jscinoz__> glxgears is hovering around 82-85
[08:13] <shiznit> they dont throttle til like 110
[08:13] <fignew> savage will do it, in the middle of the game just alt tab and see what your temperature is
[08:14] <fignew> what's your name on savage, I'm yoyoyo :)
[08:14] <jscinoz__> still kinda freaked out before when a good deal of pixels became white and my system hung, that happened on my old one and it fried the GPU
[08:14] <jscinoz__> fignew, name jscinoz, but i only play on australian servers because of ping
[08:14] <shiznit> savage?
[08:14] <jscinoz__> fignew, Usually Gameareana #1 or 2
[08:14] <jscinoz__> savage = awesome free game
[08:14] <jscinoz__> by the way
[08:14] <jscinoz__> i made a deb of savage
[08:14] <fignew> ok
[08:14] <jscinoz__> anyone want it?
[08:14] <jscinoz__> holy fuck
[08:15] <jscinoz__> GPU at 93C
[08:15] <jscinoz__> from glxgears
[08:15] <penguincentral> !language | jscinoz__
[08:15] <ubotu> jscinoz__: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:15] <contrast83> what kinda game is savage?
[08:15] <jscinoz__> sorry
[08:15] <jscinoz__> FPS/RTS
[08:15] <jscinoz__> is 93C safe?
[08:15] <shiznit> thats getting close to bad
[08:15] <shiznit> i wouldnt go past 100
[08:15] <shiznit> they throttle at 105-110 i believe
[08:15] <fignew> jscinoz__: I was talking to you on savage IRC right?
[08:15] <contrast83> jscinoz__: do you have it on a site?
[08:15] <jscinoz__> possibly
[08:16] <jscinoz__> contrast83_, www.notforidiots.com/SFE
[08:16] <contrast83> heh, nice url
[08:16] <jscinoz__> yep
[08:16] <jscinoz__> if you give me about 30mins i can upload a deb to my site
[08:17] <shiznit> is this a rts?
[08:17] <jscinoz__> not really
[08:17] <jscinoz__> only one player plays as RTS
[08:17] <jscinoz__> rest of team plays as FPS with some rts elements
[08:18] <contrast83> sounds interesting. i'll check back in here ~30 minutes. i'm off for now.
[08:18] <contrast83> later
[08:18] <jscinoz__> what was that site starting with ppa.something that people could host repos on?
[08:19] <jscinoz__> ah ppa.launchpad.net
[08:20] <shiznit> could you guys help me out with a audio stream problem, im new to linuc
[08:21] <shiznit> whoa raytraced weather?
[08:23] <AmyRose> Are there any plans to package the Compiz Fusion tray icon for the benefit of those of us who aren't using GNOME?
[08:24] <jscinoz__> Wait, savage weather is raytraced?
[08:25] <shiznit> that what the site says
[08:26] <shiznit> the enhancements site
[08:31] <jimmacdonald> did an upgrade on my Kubuntu Gutsy laptop tonight and now can't get it back to a desktop. can someone help?
[08:31] <DanaG> my bug: bug 121833
[08:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[08:31] <tonyyarusso> shiznit: which site?  I know the NWS was switching today.
[08:31] <shiznit> ?
[08:32] <tonyyarusso> shiznit: the weather thing
[08:32] <kurros> jscinoz__: that looks cool
[08:32] <jscinoz__> Anyone happen to know what license wolfenstien:enemy territory is under?
[08:32] <shiznit> http://www.notforidiots.com/SFE/
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> shiznit: oh, completely different.....:S
[08:33] <jimmacdonald> I can get to a recovery command prompt.
[08:34] <jimmacdonald> but no desktop.
[08:34] <jimmacdonald> I can get a network connection on that machine... I am running apt-get update right now, what do I do next?
[08:35] <Ahadiel> bbl
[08:37] <jimmacdonald> running apt-get upgrade right now.
[08:38] <jscinoz__> jimmacdonald, what stops you from getting to desktop? X fails to start?
[08:39] <jimmacdonald> gets to the load screen and then never transistions... it bombed out doing dbconf upgrade.
[08:40] <jimmacdonald> I am rerunning the update from a recovery command shell...
[08:42] <jimmacdonald> it appears to be functioning this thime.
[08:42] <jimmacdonald> s/thime/time
[08:46] <mithro> hi! where is the best place to go to ask questions about Ubuntu and Xen, the Wiki suggests #ubuntu-xen but that channel is totally empty
[08:47] <jimmacdonald> running the upgrade from a command prompt appeared to have corrected the problem
[09:02] <shiznit> update manager shows update available for ekiga but i can't click on it?
[09:02] <shiznit> is that intentional
[09:04] <penguincentral> i have 144 updates.  I didn't download 90 of them because of my temporarily slow broadband, and another 54 of them are piled on...
[09:04] <penguincentral> i've been punished :(
[09:18] <stefan_c69> since I installed gutsy my brightness keys aren't working anymore...
[09:18] <stefan_c69> with kpowersave I can change the brightness, but the shortkeys don't work..
[09:27] <macogw> stefan_c69: at all or does your brightness just act wrong?
[09:28] <stefan_c69> well
[09:28] <stefan_c69> only brightness
[09:28] <stefan_c69> volume keys work
[09:28] <stefan_c69> brightness just doesn't
[09:29] <Pusur> Anyone else getting an errot when the update-manager tries to load the file Sources.bz2?
[09:29] <qzio> doh, my brightness keys started to work as soon as i upgraded to gutsy... didnt work in feisty
[09:29] <Pusur> *error
[09:30] <macogw> mine work wrong
[09:30] <macogw> they jump from bright to so-dark-that-windows-are-vague-shadows
[09:30] <frostburn> mine broke =P
[09:32] <qzio> anyone knows if they'll include 2.6.23 into gutsy when it is released?
[09:37] <macogw> i think 22's the last for gutsy
[09:40] <qzio> macogw: yeah.. i guess.. do you know what the next realse is named? so i can force upgrae of the kernel only
[09:47] <kurros> qzio: "hardy" but repos wont be open until after the developers summit
[09:53] <shiznit> hola beta peopl
[09:54] <oshiii-_^> bonjour
[10:06] <romero> hello
[10:07] <masterloki> hey my computer all of a sudden thinks it has two cores um what the funk
[10:08] <masterloki> cat /proc/cpuinfo and top both show two cores
[10:09] <masterloki> and i got this when there were NO p4 duals lol
[10:09] <masterloki> like 4 yrs ago or so
[10:09] <kurros> is a P4 w/ HT?
[10:09] <rothchild> masterloki - free upgrade, you should be pleased ;-)
[10:09] <masterloki> oooh
[10:10] <masterloki> kurros, probably - i.e. yeah..
[10:10] <shiznit> ht is 2 virtual cores
[10:10] <shiznit> thats y
[10:10] <masterloki> but i dont think it showed multiple cores beofre
[10:10] <masterloki> lo
[10:10] <masterloki> good answer...
[10:10] <masterloki> apparently it turned on finally ;)
[10:10] <kurros> er, what does cpuinfo for model?
[10:10] <kurros> er say
[10:10] <kurros> sorry its 4am getting sleepy
[10:10] <masterloki> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
[10:11] <masterloki> it had hypterthreading or w/e
[10:11] <shiznit> anyone use avant?
[10:11] <kurros> yeah that could be an HT model
[10:11] <masterloki> but i just guess its not been active before this - or ive not noticed it
[10:12] <masterloki> thanx i was like wteff
[10:12] <shiznit> ht is very nice multitasking boost
[10:12] <shiznit> u should be happy
[10:12] <masterloki> i am ^^;;
[10:12] <kurros> actually flags: should have ht listed in there, too
[10:12] <masterloki> sh: /cat/proc/cpuinfo: not found
[10:13] <masterloki> flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr
[10:13] <masterloki> flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr
[10:13] <kurros> yep
[10:13] <masterloki> yup ht :>
[10:13] <kurros> wonder why it was never on before
[10:13] <masterloki> sweet....
[10:13] <masterloki> oh i probably didnt turn it on nor my roomate either...
[10:13] <masterloki> or i just didnt notice - ive been a penquin for the longest now..
[10:13] <masterloki> like 3 months
[10:13] <masterloki> :P
[10:14] <kurros> there is a bios option for it, and I think it requires ACPI. so maybe you had ACPI off or there was a bug
[10:14] <masterloki> well its on now and thats what matters
[10:14] <masterloki> this cpu 3gigs ram in dual mode nvidia card /w 512mb ram
[10:14] <masterloki> oh heck yeah :>
[10:15] <masterloki> er 2gigs of ram mybad
[10:17] <rothchild> how can I stop gnome from showing my windoze partition / drive on the desktop?
[10:17] <_4strO> salut tout le monde
[10:25] <masterloki> rothchild, edit /etc/fstab
[10:25] <masterloki> so it doesnt mount it
[10:25] <masterloki> or change the mount point to somewhere other than /media/whatever
[10:26] <rothchild> ah ok second option looks better as I still would like it mounted I just don't want to see it on the desktop, thanks
[10:31] <py_> hello
[10:32] <penguincentral> hi py_
[10:32] <penguincentral> how are you?
[10:33] <py_> fine, thx, and you?
[10:33] <Jaymac> is there any way to change the screen resolution of gdm?  for some reason on my 4:3 monitor it comes up in 1920x1080 resolution
[10:34] <py_> In fact I'm trying to boot the xubuntu gutsy tribe5 cd, but at the time where I suppose it tries to start X, the screen get black (not as in no signal received, there is one). Computer is not frozen (eg numlock works), but I'm stuck at that point. Ctrl-alt-fX won't let me to a console, and ctrl-alt-backspace has no effect. Is there a way to act on X setup at that point?
[10:37] <py_> obviously, I also tried the "Safe graphics" option at cd boot, but I guess its more for framebuffer settings. Anyway it doesn't change the way I get stuck
[10:41] <arinomi> Is it possible to upgrade from Ubuntu Feisty to the testing version of Gutsy without having to reinstall and format?
[10:44] <Jaymac> arinomi, yes: type in a terminal: gksudo "update-manager -c -d"
[10:45] <jscinoz> hmm
[10:46] <jscinoz> sensors-applet says my fan is spinning at 128053RPM O_o lies
[10:46] <jscinoz> i think my laptop would be flying if it was going that fast :P
[10:47] <CountX> jscinoz: maybe
[10:47] <CountX> jscinoz: i think its more likely it would blow up
[10:47] <jscinoz> yeah :P
[10:47] <jscinoz> no idea why it says its going so fast
[10:48] <jscinoz> maybe the i8k module is dodgy
[10:48] <jscinoz> ugh, my GPU is at 82C >_<
[10:49] <CountX> damn
[10:50] <CountX> im in winblowz right now
[10:50] <CountX> isnt 82c like 150f?
[10:50] <neildarlow> has anyone configured brasero's burn settings in gconf-editor? there seems to be a confilict in the cdrdao setting name and its tooltip
[10:50] <Jaymac> is java available in gutsy repos?
[10:51] <neildarlow> Jaymac: gutsy installs gcj java support be default
[10:51] <Jaymac> hmm
[10:52] <CountX> not for runescape
[10:52] <neildarlow> Jaymac: well actually ecj for javac and gij for java
[10:52] <CountX> cause i couldnt run it with stock java
[10:52] <CountX> not that i would play runescape.....
[10:53] <arinomi> Jaymac, please repeat the terminal command to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10
[10:53] <Jaymac> i can't enable java on opera..
[10:53] <Jaymac> arinomi, gksudo "update-manager -c -d"
[10:53] <neildarlow> Jaymac: you probably need to install the webplugin
[10:54] <Jaymac> yeah i have it on ff...
[10:54] <Jaymac> never mind
[10:54] <Jaymac> only problem i have with gutsy is my gdm screen displays in 1920x1080 instead of 1280x1024
[10:55] <neildarlow> Jaymac: can't you remove the offending Modeline from xorg.conf
[10:55] <Jaymac> i'll have a look
[10:56] <Bieleke> hi guys
[10:56] <Bieleke> can anybody help setting up my network card ?
[10:56] <neildarlow> Jaymac: or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and tell it to be more conservative about your monitor capabilities
[10:56] <Jaymac> thats weird... there is no mention of screen resolutions in my xorg
[10:57] <Bieleke> lspci reports ADMTek NC100
[10:57] <py_> does a ssh server get automatically started when a gutsy live cd is booted?
[10:57] <Bieleke> and i have configured interfaces
[10:57] <neildarlow> Jaymac: time to dpkg-reconfigure it then :)
[10:57] <Bieleke> but when i do networking restart it can't find device
[10:58] <neildarlow> Bieleke: sounds like the module isn't loaded.
[10:58] <Jaymac> is this screens and graphics app worth checking out?
[10:58] <neildarlow> Jaymac: maybe
[10:59] <Bieleke> neildarlow, true... i need to fix that, but have no clue how
[10:59] <Jaymac> neildarlow, seems there are others having the issue on the forum
[10:59] <Jaymac> not sure an xorg reconfig will fix it
[10:59] <Jaymac> as once i get to my desktop my resolution is fine
[11:00] <neildarlow> Jaymac: i suggested it because it can generate xorg.conf for you
[11:00] <neildarlow> Bieleke: can you use the Network tool to configure your interface?
[11:01] <Jaymac> neildarlow, yeah i know.. but it isn't working for others on the forum
[11:01] <Bieleke> neildarlow, nope, cause it is gutsy server beta
[11:01] <Bieleke> no x
[11:02] <Bieleke> and cause my network-card is not loaded i can't install desktop either :-)
[11:02] <Bieleke> maybe i should use desktop version :-)
[11:03] <Bieleke> but i thought, i just need lamp- and samba-server
[11:03] <neildarlow> Bieleke: i think you need to "sudo modprobe tulip"
[11:03] <neildarlow> Bieleke: then ifconfig eth0 should show something
[11:04] <Bieleke> tulip ?
[11:04] <Bieleke> i try
[11:04] <neildarlow> Bieleke: i believe so. one moment
[11:06] <neildarlow> Bieleke: yes that's the correct module for that card
[11:06] <Bieleke> well doesn't work :-(
[11:06] <Bieleke> device not found
[11:06] <neildarlow> Bieleke: what does ifconfig say?
[11:07] <Bieleke> eth0: error fetching interface information: device not found
[11:08] <neildarlow> Bieleke: are you sure the interface is enabled in your motherboard bios?
[11:09] <Bieleke> ofcourse... cause first i had fedora
[11:10] <neildarlow> Bieleke: and you're sure the device is an AMDtek NC100? the hardware compatibility listings say tulip should be used
[11:11] <jmg_> maybe its changed
[11:11] <Bieleke> at least that is what lspci says
[11:11] <jmg_> new driver?
[11:11] <Bieleke> lspci -v
[11:11] <jmg_> dmesg\
[11:12] <Bieleke> Ethernet controler AMDtek NC100 Network Everywhere fast ethernet
[11:12] <shiznit> can someone help with firefox audio stream?
[11:13] <Jaymac> one more (probably basic) question... what's the easiest/best way to mount a windows with r/w on startup?
[11:13] <Bieleke> ADMTek sorry
[11:13] <Jaymac> i know in gutsy you can just double click on the volume, but that has to be done every time you start..
[11:24] <neildarlow> Jaymac: iirc, if there's an entry in fstab for the filesystem it should be mounted automatically
[11:24] <Jaymac> ok
[11:24] <Jaymac> and there isn't
[11:26] <neildarlow> are brasero's libburn settings overridden? i'm burning a cdrw and ps shows that wodim is being used
[11:27] <acemo> how do i get mpg to work in kubuntu?
[11:27] <neildarlow> acemo: look in the wiki
[11:28] <acemo> neildarlow theres no up to date wiki for kubuntu 7.10
[11:28] <Bieleke> let's see if the desktop cd can detect it better
[11:28] <neildarlow> acemo: maybe not but the principle is the same
[11:29] <Eq|work> and the steps will be nearly identical
[11:29] <Eq|work> but mpg should work with basically any media player
[11:29] <Eq|work> so just install whichever player you prefer.
[11:30] <neildarlow> Eq|work: it's not necessarily the player. the appropriate gstreamer-plugins are usually all that's required
[11:35] <jscinoz> shite.... GPU at 99C
[11:35] <tux_fl> my nic ip is getting wierd, help please?
[11:36] <neildarlow> tux_fl: explain weird
[11:39] <tux_fl> thanks.  Ive never had dhcp trouble before.  I have eth0 dhcp.  ifconfig returns ip = <IP_ADDRESS>.. but my router is <IP_ADDRESS>. also /etc/resolv.conf has nameserver = <IP_ADDRESS> by network manager.  has this problem with fiesty and now gutsy
[11:39] <shiznit> lol jscinoz
[11:39] <tux_fl> route default = mygateway1.Moto mask <IP_ADDRESS>  where this come from?
[11:41] <neildarlow> tux_fl: are you sure your DHCP server doesn't allocate IPs in the 192.168.15 netblock?
[11:41] <tux_fl> any idea neil?
[11:41] <tux_fl> never did before! whats best way to check or just rebootr router?
[11:42] <neildarlow> tux_fl: not yet. if you're using NetworkManager to manage your NIC, /etc/network/interfaces shouldn't have anything at all for eth0
[11:43] <redheat> hi everyone
[11:43] <redheat> I just installed Kubuntu, and I"m trying to update it using the adept adapter, but when I try to apply the updates I get the following message
[11:44] <neildarlow> tux_fl: if you want "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces then don't run NetworkManager at all
[11:45] <tux_fl> neil /network/interfaces has auto ethx inet dhcp for all interfaces
[11:45] <redheat> there was an error committing changes, possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit could brake some packaged
[11:45] <redheat> packages*
[11:45] <tux_fl> manually edit for static ip and not use netmanager?
[11:46] <redheat> anyone
[11:46] <neildarlow> tux_fl: that could be a problem. i've seen it before. you choose which method you want to use. i personally don't use NetworkManager because it kept dropping my wired connection. figure that one out :)
[11:46] <redheat> dudes/dudettes...
[11:46] <redheat> those in between
[11:46] <redheat> lol
[11:46] <|rgunn|> redheat: and?
[11:46] <redheat> that's it rgunn
[11:47] <redheat> ok gunny
[11:47] <redheat> is there a way I can redownload or fix those packages
[11:47] <neildarlow> redheat: are you using synaptic?
[11:48] <redheat> no I"m in a Kubuntu session and I"m using adept adapter
[11:48] <tux_fl> thanks neil.  i'll try now
[11:48] <jussi01> redheat: sudo apt-get install -f
[11:48] <neildarlow> redheat: then you should (i guess) be able to mark those packages for reinstallation. synaptic allows it, don't know adept
[11:49] <jussi01> if you have broken packages
[11:49] <kst> hey guys, i'll probably only install gutsy once it's released as final... but i only got like 500-800mb free disk space on my dedicated linux partition (got /home on separate disk with lots of free space) ... can i still install gutsy or will i run into problems? how can i get rid of unneccessary stuff in my linux partition? :)
[11:49] <jussi01> kst: uninstall stuff?
[11:50] <kst> jussi01 like what?
[11:50] <kst> doc files?
[11:50] <Vorbote> kst, what's the size of the root partition?
[11:50] <jussi01> kst: have you got extra preograms tyou could uninstall
[11:50] <gunny> kst: i doubt it !
[11:50] <redheat> yay its working, there were like two partially downloaded and not fully installed packages and that command fixed them..
[11:50] <kst> size is 5gig, 4.2gig in use
[11:50] <redheat> thank you so much neildarlow and you too gunny
[11:50] <redheat> thank you guys for your help
[11:51] <redheat> take care and have a nice day
[11:51] <gunny> redheat: cheerio
[11:51] <kst> gunny doubt that i can install it or that i run into problems? :)
[11:51] <Vorbote> kst, hmm... you have enough space in principle unless you have installed lots of extra apps.
[11:51] <gunny> kst: doubt it will fit hey but I'm guessing....
[11:51] <Vorbote> First of all run a "apt-get clean" and see if that frees enough disk space. 1.5 Gb is OK to do an upgrade.
[11:52] <kst> Vorbote well i did install lots of irc clients and music players for testing, but i more or less removed them all again... but somehow slowly but surely my linux install got bloated up :(
[11:52] <Vorbote> kst "apt-get clean"
[11:52] <kst> Vorbote I do that like every day
[11:52] <kst> :>
[11:52] <Bieleke> the desktop version detects my card , but server version does not
[11:53] <Bieleke> isn't that strange ?
[11:53] <kst> thats why i wonder Vorbote, i even did localepurge and deborphan and still... it's way too big imo
[11:53] <Vorbote> kst, then you'll have to remove some apps you dont' use (and that don't remove ubuntu-desktop)
[11:53] <jscinoz> shiznit, its ok, its still under 100C :P
[11:53] <Vorbote> kst, probably you have installed some games. Those can take lots of disk space.
[11:54] <kst> Vorbote only the default games ubuntu installs, rest is 1 q3 install which is on /home
[11:54] <kst> i even put my latex system on /home :) but lots of apps install somewhere i dont know ;-)
[11:55] <kst> is there a way to show which application takes up how much disk space?
[11:55] <shiznit> jscinoz, i would email nvidia and ask them what the safe range is
[11:55] <gunny> kst: can you repartion any windows/ntfs to make more room ?
[11:55] <jscinoz> shiznit i probably will, but for now im going to go afk and swim
[11:55] <wabiD> i lost my tracker deskbar applet
[11:55] <wabiD> how can i add it again
[11:56] <kst> gunny probably not.. i already had to cut lots from my winxp partition to put it on the linux one.. and there's like some stupid ntfs partition in the middle which cant be moved.. rest is on extended partition.. so basically, no.
[11:57] <wabiD> of course you can move it
[11:58] <neildarlow> wabiD: right-click panel and select it from "Add to Panel..."
[11:58] <wabiD> its gone from those options
[11:58] <wabiD> its literally lost.  i reinstalled it from synaptic and still no go
[11:59] <wabiD> i can add tracker search tool, and search files, but both of those are different
[12:02] <neildarlow> wabiD: i was going to suggest reinstalling it. maybe a purge beforehand might help
[12:02] <wabiD> i found one more package to reinstall
[12:03] <wabiD> any way you can tell me where it installs to
[12:03] <wabiD> so i can add a custom applet for now
[12:03] <wabiD> nevermind
[12:03] <neildarlow> wabiD: it's a python applet. it installs stuff allover
[12:03] <wabiD> yea but what file can i run to get the same thing to pop up
[12:05] <gunny> kst: du -sk * | sort -n    [be patient)
[12:05] <neildarlow> no idea. it doesn't have a /usr/bin/deskbar-applet or somesuch
[12:06] <wabiD> i found the install folder from synaptic
[12:06] <wabiD> but there are way too many .py files
[12:06] <neildarlow> wabiD: have you done a "complete removal" and reinstall?
[12:06] <wabiD> no
[12:07] <neildarlow> wabiD: try that
[12:07] <wabiD> will it delete my index's
[12:07] <neildarlow> wabiD: not if you just remove deskbar-applet. the indexes are created by tracker
[12:08] <neildarlow> wabiD: they're user-specific data anyway, not system-wide
[12:08] <wabiD> ohh i thought you ment ax tracker too
[12:08] <neildarlow> wabiD: why? it's the deskbar thats gone
[12:09] <wabiD> yea
[12:10] <wabiD> still no go
[12:10] <shiznit> does anyone use avant
[12:12] <neildarlow> wabiD: i wonder if it's just hidden somewhere. does Alt-F3 bring it back?
[12:12] <wabiD> no
[12:13] <wabiD> i did remove it from my panel, but it should still be an option in "add to panel"
[12:13] <neildarlow> wabiD: have a look in gconf-editor for its settings. do they look sensible?
[12:14] <wabiD> /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/modules-2.20-compatible/tracker-module.py
[12:14] <wabiD> any chance thats it
[12:14] <neildarlow> wabiD: yes, it should be in Accessories
[12:14] <wabiD> thats different
[12:14] <neildarlow> wabiD: possibly
[12:14] <wabiD> its in accessories, but thats not the same dialog that the deskbar-applet brings up
[12:15] <wabiD> whats the command to run a py file
[12:15] <wabiD> just python?
[12:15] <savvas> /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/modules-2.20-compatible/tracker-module.py
[12:15] <savvas> /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/modules-2.20-compatible/tracker-module.pyc
[12:15] <neildarlow> wabiD: it should have a #! line
[12:15] <wabiD> ok
[12:15] <savvas> it doesn't
[12:15] <savvas> # This deskbar module was ported from deskbar <= 2.18 handler by Marcus Fritzsch
[12:15] <savvas> :)
[12:16] <wabiD> so im not crazy
[12:16] <neildarlow> wabiD: oh well. then you'll have to python it
[12:16] <_dan_> any problems with HAL atm?
[12:16] <_dan_> http://www.pastebin.org/3925  upgrade wont continue anymore
[12:17] <wabiD> savvas, just .py, i cant open the pyc in gedit
[12:18] <wabiD> and should all the comments be #! ?
[12:18] <savvas> because pyc is the compiled one
[12:18] <savvas> no!
[12:18] <wabiD> k good
[12:19] <savvas> don't you dare touch those comments lol
[12:19] <wabiD> how do i recompile that one file
[12:19] <savvas> I've no idea
[12:19] <wabiD> so now it reads - #! This deskbar module was ported from deskbar <= 2.18 handler by Marcus Fritzsch
[12:19] <wabiD> right?
[12:19] <savvas> why not just python /.../file.py ?
[12:19] <savvas> negative
[12:19] <savvas> you could just run it as: python file.py
[12:20] <wabiD> then what did you mean by <neildarlow> wabiD: it should have a #! line
[12:20] <savvas> he meant as this: #!/usr/bin/python
[12:20] <neildarlow> wabiD: forget that. mostly, folks add e.g. #!/usr/bin/python to their scripts
[12:20] <savvas> it's a command that helps you chmod +x file.py and run it like: ./file.py
[12:21] <savvas> wabiD: do: python /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/modules-2.20-compatible/tracker-module.py
[12:21] <wabiD> nothing happens
[12:21] <neildarlow> sigh. looks like liferea-1.4.3b is seriously broken
[12:23] <savvas> wabiD: what are you trying to do btw? :p
[12:23] <wabiD> add the tracker desktop-applet back to my panel
[12:23] <wabiD> it disappeared from add to panel
[12:24] <savvas> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-August/001450.html
[12:25] <wabiD> it worked in tribe 5 before
[12:25] <savvas> hm..
[12:25] <savvas> deskbar applet
[12:25] <wabiD> yea its gone
[12:25] <savvas> I have it here
[12:25] <savvas> right click > add to panel
[12:26] <wabiD> search desk
[12:26] <wabiD> haha i got it back
[12:26] <savvas> :s
[12:26] <wabiD> well thanks for whatever we didnt do
[12:26] <savvas> you broke it!
[12:26] <compwiz18> When I share a folder by right clicking on it in nautilus then choosing share -> samba share, a password is required by the (Windows) computer that I try and access the share from.  What is that password?
[12:26] <savvas> :p
[12:27] <wabiD> damit
[12:27] <wabiD> now the only options are search yahoo and search tracker
[12:27] <wabiD> where did all the other options go
[12:28] <rothchild> is it possible to have a fuzzy clock in gnome like the one in kde eg so it tells the time as 'ten to one' rather than '12.50'?
[12:28] <savvas> wabiD: right click deskbar > preferences
[12:28] <savvas> load any extensions you like
[12:28] <wabiD> ahh they got disabled, thanks
[12:29] <savvas> wth
[12:29] <savvas> now my upper panel is gone!
[12:29] <wabiD> bad day for panels
[12:29] <savvas> I loaded and removed deskbar lol
[12:30] <savvas> ah wait.. I click delete panel :p
[12:30] <savvas> *clicked
[12:30] <wabiD> did you click delete this panel by accident
[12:30] <savvas> bingo
[12:31] <neildarlow> wabiD, savvas: that would be quite devastating
[12:31] <savvas> neildarlow: no, I clicked on delete panel accidentally
[12:32] <neildarlow> savvas: and the result was bad?
[12:32] <wabiD> sweet i froze the deskbar applet
[12:32] <rothchild> compwiz18 you might try the package gsambad for further samba configuration
[12:32] <savvas> oh yeah
[12:32] <rothchild> !gsambad
[12:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gsambad - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:33] <compwiz18> rothchild, I'm thinking I shouldn't have to do that though, because on another Ubuntu machine it works fine, no password or anything
[12:33] <compwiz18> I'll give it a try thoguh
[12:34] <rothchild> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/admin/gsambad
[12:34] <rothchild> can't see it in gutsy now though for some reason?
[12:35] <compwiz18> I just installed in in gutsy
[12:35] <compwiz18> its there
[12:35] <rothchild> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/admin/gsambad
[12:36] <_dan_> anyone tried the kde4 beta?
[12:36] <_dan_> is it unuseable for u too, or did i miss to install some?
[12:36] <rothchild> is there a particular daemon I need to start to get bluetooth working, I have a usb bluetooth adapter, hal device manager can see it but I can't see the computer from my phone etc
[12:37] <Xero> GSambaD needs something about a su-to-root.
[12:37] <savvas> fixed hehe
[12:38] <rothchild> Xero you just need to edit the menu command to gksu or kdesu rather than 'su to root'
[12:39] <compwiz18> rothchild, I'm having the same (or a similar) bluetooth problem
[12:48] <rothchild> compwiz18 are you in gnome?
[12:49] <rothchild> and was it working before for you?
[12:49] <wabiD> when 7.10 goes final, will system updates stop coming out daily
[12:50] <compwiz18> rothchild, I'm in Gnome.  It works great on my x32 laptop, but my x64 laptop can't connect to my phone
[12:51] <wabiD> savvas, any idea what might cause this - http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4123/granju7.png
[12:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi there, there is a problem with the bottom panel in the gnome desktop at login, it's consistently happening, so, do you already know?
[12:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> If so, that should be added to the topic :)
[12:52] <rothchild> hmm I'm on x32 and having no joy, I always found KDE's bluetooth implementation to be much better but I've come over to gnome because kubuntu just doesn't seem to get the love it deserves
[12:52] <wabiD> yea i noticed it too
[12:52] <wabiD> it doesnt appear?
[12:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes
[12:53] <gunny> Le-Chuck_ITA: yep but if you click on it it will come back..just doesn't default on
[12:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I know
[12:53] <nomasteryoda> lol.... love kubuntu... its working great for me
[12:53] <ubuntu_dave> if you right click anywhere on desktop too
[12:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is this already reported up-to your knowledge?
[12:53] <compwiz18> rothchild, I had to install gnome-vfs-obexftp on my x32 laptop to get it to work, did you do that?
[12:53] <compwiz18> it's a problem with the package
[12:53] <nomasteryoda> but i do have problems with the panel in both gnome and kde with the 'buntus
[12:54] <wabiD> i tried kde with compiz today for the first time, it runs so much faster than without compiz
[12:54] <wabiD> panel on kde was fine today
[12:54] <nomasteryoda> ya
[12:54] <wabiD> still sticking to gnome
[12:54] <nomasteryoda> ya it seems to be ok .. will know after a reboot
[12:54] <gunny> Le-Chuck_ITA: dont know haven't seen it in the buglists in my travels..compiz isue perhaps
[12:54] <wabiD> i just wish i could fix gran paradiso
[12:54] <nomasteryoda> wabiD, your gran's not working?
[12:54] <nomasteryoda> mine is fine
[12:55] <wabiD> http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4123/granju7.png
[12:55] <nomasteryoda> i used a fresh profile though
[12:55] <wabiD> i did
[12:55] <ubuntu_dave> mine it fine too ^
[12:55] <wabiD> and reinstall
[12:56] <ubuntu_dave> just wipe ~./mozilla/granpara or whatever
[12:56] <rothchild> compwiz18 it's installed already, I went through the repros and installed everything that looked relevant but still no joy
[12:56] <nomasteryoda> you do know gran has a zoom feature that zooms text and images at the same time, right? possibly yours is set that way?
[12:56] <wabiD> i did whipe it
[12:56] <wabiD> wipe rather
[12:57] <wabiD> text isnt zoomed though
[12:57] <nomasteryoda> looks bigger than the firefox text from your image
[12:57] <nomasteryoda> much more so
[12:58] <wabiD> yea
[12:58] <wabiD> i guess
[12:58] <wabiD> any idea how to disable?
[12:58] <nomasteryoda> i see the interface stuff is same font as your firefox...
[12:58] <wabiD> ?
[12:58] <wabiD> i changed my system font yea
[12:58] <nomasteryoda> like the address bar
[12:58] <nomasteryoda> ya
[12:59] <wabiD> yea i am using all vista fonts
[12:59] <nomasteryoda> but those match which to me indicates its just the page rendere
[12:59] <nomasteryoda> ah
[12:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/147070
[12:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147070 in compiz "bottom panel not visible when desktop starts" [High,Confirmed]
[12:59] <wabiD> but toolbars are screwed up too
[12:59] <nomasteryoda> freedome hater? ... jk
[12:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> well
[12:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/147070
[12:59] <nomasteryoda> must be very young...
[01:00] <nomasteryoda> my old eyes can't read those tiny fonts
[01:00] <nomasteryoda> unless I use zoom
[01:00] <nomasteryoda> =D
[01:00] <ubuntu_dave> confirmed and high importance... guess can just wait for a fix now ^_^
[01:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I know ! :)
[01:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I can just click on the desktop meanwhile, but please add that to the topic
[01:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bye
[01:06] <wabiD> i think it is the zoom feature
[01:06] <wabiD> for some reason its applying to the whole browser
[01:10] <chopchop_> I got a problem getting the sound works with ubuntu 7.10 . Im using a Dell Vostro 1500 laptop, does any1 have experienced with this laptop?
[01:18] <apecat> hmm, will there be some kind of menu item/point 'n drool way to configure desktop effects in gutsy?
[01:19] <apecat> i cant find a way to turn them off in the menus
[01:19] <savvas> apecat: system > preferences > appearance > visual effects
[01:20] <savvas> if you want to configure each plugin: http://medigeek.blogspot.com/2007/09/ubuntu-unveil-real-power-of-compiz.html
[01:20] <apecat> ah, righty
[01:23] <gunny> apecat: what about advanced desktop effect settings..compizconfig-settings-manager
[01:23] <apecat> dunno why these effects should be enabled by default though :P i just tried running gusy on a laptop with one of those crappy ati cards (Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M) and i got a terribly distorted hakign picture when i logged in with the default resolution (1024x768), had to set the resolution to 800x600 to be able to see anything
[01:25] <apecat> i tke that back, even with desktop effects disabled, i get the same unreadable picture using 1024x768
[01:28] <savvas> apecat: the effects are NOT enabled by default.
[01:28] <savvas> if you had compiz/beryl before, well.. that should be the problem
[01:29] <savvas> unless they enabled it in beta :s
[01:32] <jscinoz> savvas, really? mine turned on as soon as i installed the propreitry graphics driver
[01:33] <savvas> impossible
[01:33] <savvas> i had tribe 5 and it didn't
[01:33] <savvas> if it did, then.. well it would be a dumb thing to do :P
[01:34] <savvas> mind you, it's still a beta
[01:34] <chronographer> HEllo. has anyone else had a prob with firestarter and wireless drivers? I had wireless probs, uninstalled firestarter and everything is fine now...  coincidence?
[01:36] <apecat> savvas: actually, they on by default
[01:36] <apecat> on the level called "Normal"
[01:37] <savvas> apecat: < savvas> mind you, it's still a beta
[01:37] <apecat> heh yeah, of course :P
[01:37] <savvas> I think the ubuntu devs want as much feedback on it as possible
[01:39] <apecat> hmm, now lets see if the netwok manager finally cn handle my rt61 based card properly
[01:39] <apecat> lawl, netwok
[01:39] <apecat> spicy
[01:50] <savvas> apecat: some curry should do the trick ;)
[01:59] <Nalleman> how can you customize the eyecandy in gutsy?
[02:01] <rothchild> Nalleman you need the compiz config settings manager (ccsm)
[02:02] <Nalleman> rothchild, ok. download with synaptic?
[02:02] <gunny> Nalleman: yep
[02:02] <EdsipeR> hi, I've an updated version of gutsy on my laptop and some process don't stop to work with the hard disk, any idea which process can be ?
[02:03] <gunny> Nalleman: compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:03] <Nalleman> gunny, thanks
[02:05] <EdsipeR> another question: who changes the process governor from 'performance' to 'ondemand' ??? which script/process ?
[02:10] <Nalleman> silly question, i know. but how can you edit how many workspaces there should be?
[02:11] <EdsipeR> nemik, system -> preferences -> appearance
[02:11] <EdsipeR> ups, fwd to Nalleman
[02:11] <g2g591> nalleman:on kde or gnome?
[02:11] <void^> EdsipeR: trackerd is the usual culprit for unwanted diskio
[02:12] <Nalleman> EdsipeR, thanks
[02:12] <Nalleman> g2g591, gnome
[02:12] <ubuntu_dave> Nalleman: if you're running compiz for workspaces you need probably to set them in the ccsm>general>desktop size
[02:13] <Nalleman> ubuntu_dave, thanks, that did the trick
[02:15] <EdsipeR> void^, thanks
[02:16] <aftertaf> hey :)
[02:16] <Bieleke> ubuntu gutsy alternate breaks when using dutch language... breaks after he needs to download the packages
[02:16] <aftertaf> can anyone help with a long standing issue on booting? Hanging on Waiting for Root file system
[02:18] <aftertaf> i had this too when going from edgy to feisty, when feisty was released it was repaired and now its back again.....
[02:19] <pixl> anyone know how to make gnome menu icons smaller?
[02:19] <LjL> aftertaf: perhaps bug 62608?
[02:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 62608 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Waiting for root filesystem delay on booting Edgy solved by update-initramfs (was: getting cpuindex for acpiid 0xnn)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62608
[02:23] <aftertaf> ah ok thanks :) will also try all_generic_ide....
[02:24] <aftertaf> though never had that error message and mine doesnt boot.....
[02:25] <aftertaf> not it takes long, more it drops to tha console (xx box) completely forgot the name :(
[02:27] <aftertaf> brb after boot test
[02:38] <Nalleman> is read and write support to ntfs drives default in gutsy?
[02:39] <ubuntu_dave> Nalleman: yes, it's default
[02:51] <kst> whats default audio player in gutsy? still rhythmbox?
[03:03] <kyja> please help, playing something as simple as an mp3 skips in mplayer and over clocks my computer so it over heats and shuts off like the plug gets pulled.
[03:04] <kyja> audio and and graphics realy over clock me bad.
[03:12] <kane77> I have a problem: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on  unknown-block(0,0)
[03:14] <kane77> the previous kernel seems to boot..
[03:14] <kane77> can I repair is somehow?
[03:14] <kane77> *it
[03:24] <fulat2k> hi folks, got kubuntu gg b1 installed.  it detected everything fine.  even my wifi usb stick (dlink dwl g122 b1).  from dmesg, i can see that it loaded the driver.  but somehow, even though i've configured the interface manually to tag to an ESSID, i can't seem to ping the gateway.  any ideas?
[03:28] <spr0k3t> anyone having problems with sound? (soundblaster audigy specifically)
[03:32] <Netw0rker> someone tryed logmein on gutsy ?
[03:32] <Netw0rker> is it working with the new gcj ?
[03:32] <jerpes> is there any known cups-pdf (2.4.6-3ubuntu7) dpkg/apt-get issues?
[03:32] <spr0k3t> haven't tried it here.  mainly focusing on gnomedisplay-gtk debugging
[03:33] <spr0k3t> jerpes: loaded fine here.. let me test printpdf
[03:33] <Sprog> Anyone know where I can get some info on why "workspaces on a cube" clears itself after I set it?
[03:33] <jerpes> spr0k3t, apt-get breaks when trying to install it
[03:34] <spr0k3t> printed, but don't know where it went... lol
[03:34] <jerpes> Sprog, clears itself?
[03:34] <Sprog> Jerpes:  Yep, Desktop Effects, enable, hit the confirm to keep settings, hit "desktop on a cube" and click ok, when I reopen it, it's cleared the tickbox again
[03:35] <spr0k3t> Sprog: which graphics card?
[03:35] <Sprog> GeForce 7400 Mobile, on the Nvidia drivers
[03:35] <spr0k3t> do you have hardware rendering enabled?
[03:35] <kane77> that is very strange.. I booted in the older kernel's rescue mode upgraded packages (none of them had anything to do with kernel) and now I don't get krenel panic anymore.. very strange...
[03:35] <Sprog> Without getting noob screamed at me, how I can I check that?  ;)
[03:36] <jerpes> Sprog, installed gfx drivers with restricted-manager ?
[03:36] <spr0k3t> also, check to make sure you have the nvidia-glx-new drivers as well