[02:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T58: consider minimal install] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58#4080
[02:47] <theloudspeaker> kc2bez ack on the changes. I think I missed that misc:deps part. And wxl confused me about the version number. 😛
[02:48] <theloudspeaker> Didn't you say wxl we should use 0ubuntu1 if we aren't modifying the package that comes from Debian.
[04:00] <wxl> unless i'm remembering something/thinking about something wrong
[04:01] <wxl> or at least it's based on logical consistency given that the similar thing in debian is -1
[04:04] <wxl> looking at the wiki @kc2bez referenced, i'm not seeing anything that suggests one way or another
[04:09] <wxl> here's the "packaging new software" section of the ever-crusty ubuntu packaging guide and you'll note that they give it a 0ubuntu1 version, meaning it's never been in debian and it first appeared in ubuntu https://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html#building-the-package
[04:10] <wxl> er well that doesn't mean that it hasn't been in debian, but it hasn't been patched in debian
[04:12] <wxl> er, i don't know. X'D
[04:12] <wxl> if i look at lxqt-config, it looks like alf never had an upstream-version-0 or upstream-version. always upstream-version-1 or more
[04:22] <wxl> look at dolphin and you'll see there's a 4:20.04.3-0ubuntu1, followed by -1, followed by 1ubuntu1. so we packaged it first, then debian did, then we merged the two.
[04:22] <wxl> so the minimum version for a new ubuntu package is 0ubuntu1. there, done. dang. i'm writing that into the wiki XD
[04:24] <wxl> i find it odd that debian version numbers for linux packages don't have a -1
 legacy explosions?
 :P
[04:34] <wxl> aroooo?
 *yawns*
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[07:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: so the version number I wrote is correct then?
[07:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> it is as far as I understand.
[07:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, just noticed the d/control file. It had debhelper-compat set to 12. Should be 13 right?
[07:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> oh wait so they versioned it 0.8.1-1 in debian
[07:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> so ours should be 0.8.1-1ubuntu1 right?
[07:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> ughhh!! sooo much confusion!
[07:27]  * The_LoudSpeaker leaves
[07:27]  * The_LoudSpeaker goes to have some food.
[09:33] <kc2bez> That's it The_LoudSpeaker you got it now.
[09:34] <The_LoudSpeaker> Approve it then. I will push rn.
 sure, I will give it a look.
[09:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, is there a better way to handle merges?
[09:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> Fixing 10s of these in every translation file for a merge is not fun.
[09:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://imgur.com/a/13ordVj
[09:37] <The_LoudSpeaker> I'd rather clone from upstream debian, edit the debian/ folder as needed and push.
[09:37] <The_LoudSpeaker> Would be faster.
[09:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> Or can we improve merge o matic to provide some way for packager to select which side changes to keep, per file. So we don't have to manually keep pressing backspace tons of times in translation files?
 When we met with Simon he said he doesn't even use that. He just grabs the Debian source and Ubuntu source and merges the diffs together.
[09:44] <The_LoudSpeaker> Doing that only rn.
[10:27] <guiverc> thank you @Leokolb & KGIII for your continued testing :)
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[12:56] <The_LoudSpeaker> kc2bez: debhelper-compat is still 12?
[12:56] <The_LoudSpeaker> Saw it as 13 in micro
[12:58] <kc2bez> 13 is the current version but the upstream Debian package is still at 12. You can bump it to 13 but you need to mention it in the changelog that you did so.
[13:00] <kc2bez> https://salsa.debian.org/lxqt-team/lxqt-build-tools/-/blob/debian/0.8.0-1/debian/control
[13:00] <kc2bez> That is the debian control file from Debian ^
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[16:41] <kc2bez> hmmm, focal daily failed to build today.
 kc2bez: do you ahve council list mod access?  not sure if you released my msg or if wxl was going to
 and where's the build logs im' curious
 or was this on CI and I need to stab it?
[16:42] <kc2bez> Nah, it is the daily iso.
[16:42] <wxl> that kind of sucks with the next point release due in feb
[16:43] <wxl> a little late for breaking changes i'd think
[16:43] <kc2bez> agree
[16:45] <wxl> wonder if this is related
[16:45] <wxl> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pylxd/models/_model.py:116: UserWarning: Attempted to set unknown attribute "location" on instance of "Container" key, self.__class__.__name__
[16:45] <wxl> probably not
[16:45] <wxl> The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-generic : Depends: linux-image-generic (= <IP_ADDRESS>.68) but it is not going to be installed
[16:45] <kc2bez> yup
[16:45] <wxl> tl;dr it should be breaking everything
[16:45] <kc2bez> just got there.
[18:09] <teward> *smacks wxl upside the head*
[18:10] <wxl> oh shush
[18:10] <teward> wxl: any change to the libx stack will result in basically a whole new devcycle of testing, etc
[18:10] <teward> for each release
[18:10] <teward> for all flavors
[18:11] <wxl> gosh you are really good at repeating yourself, aren't you? XD
[18:11] <teward> I'm not taking that one up to the dev team, you can if you want (i expect you'll be smacked a lot harder)
[18:12] <wxl> i honestly hadn't considered it from that perspective, but that pretty much kills it
[18:12] <wxl> however, i will mention libx11 has had SRUs before
[18:13] <teward> wxl: but were those SRUs cherrypicked revs or full backports?
[18:13] <teward> if they're cherrypicked revs that's one thing
[18:13] <teward> if it's a full backport then that's a whole different thing
[18:13] <wxl> if you were to ask me for a knee jerk reaction, i consider it a total waste of time
[18:13] <teward> if you have a cherrypicked rev to fix the bug I'd have a different mindset
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[18:13] <teward> but a straight backport?  Nope.
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[18:13] <teward> or if they're Security patches, in which case that's Security Team stuff and tests
[18:14] <wxl> yeah looks like cherry picks
[18:14] <wxl> it's quite possible the required change could be picked out, but i think it's unlikely
[18:17] <wxl> in precise did have 2:1.4.4-2ubuntu1, 2:1.4.4-4, and then 2.1.4.*99.1*-0ubuntu1. weird versioning but apparently it was a new upstream release
 well that's Precise - a dead OS from our perspective now.
 (the community perspective)
 we DO have to be careful when doing anything X-stack related
 esp. when it pulls in nVidia binaries :P
[18:18] <wxl> still, even if this is doable/reasonable, with only 3 months of lubuntu support, and the fact that it affects a much wider world than just lubuntu, i think it's best to leave it to others to consider
 since those're specially handled
 i agree.
 with only 3 months of support from the Lubuntu project for the release, it's not something the Lubuntu Team should focus on
[18:19] <RyuKurisu[m]> <RyuKurisu[m] "I has 2 cores and 4 threads.  Bu"> I don't know why I bothered with virtman; just installed VirtualBox this afternoon and everything was smooth sailing, whereas virtman still isn't working.  VirtualBox even has KVM virtualization 🤗
 esp. since the far-reaching ramifications of updating the base X stack libs can cause some hell if someone tries to upload it
[18:19] <RyuKurisu[m]> And that is why open source won't win for now.
[18:19] <wxl> if it were my choice, i would have dropped lxde sooner. the gtk2 depends alone are enough to make a person mad. if people want to use old crap, there's always freebsd or centos or something XD
 heh
[18:21] <wxl> i will give lxde credit: they have kind of started developing more. but the activity is still way, way low
[18:23] <RyuKurisu[m]> <RyuKurisu[m] "And that is **why** open source "> It isn't as polished as the competition.  I even **wanted** to use the open source option, but like I said it isn't as polished as the (closed) competition.
[18:24] <wxl> um, virtualbox is open source
[18:25] <KGIII> @guiverc: thank you @Leokolb & KGIII for your continued testing -- No problem.
 wxl: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/lib/libx11/-/commit/dbb55e1a5e82870466b095097d9e46046680ec25 might be the solution to that 'bug' but that's not my call.  See the Ubuntu Bug 1782984
 np (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> thank you @Leokolb & KGIII for your continued testing :))
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libx11/+bug/1782984
[18:29] <wxl> @teward001 yeah that's what i was saying. we *might* be able to cherry pick it. it's a small patch for that one fix. but who knows what other architectural fixes preceeded that that allows for that in 1.7 but not 1.6?
[18:29] <wxl> still, my thinking is that if someone wants to bother with that, it should be ubuntu, not lubuntu
[18:31] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl "um, virtualbox is open source"> They are? 😱
 wxl: well it's been seen there for some time yes
 Ryu: yes, but owned by Oracle
[18:31] <wxl> vbox is open source except for the ext packs, and even then it's technically "open source" but it's just a non-free license
 vbox has two variants, the Open Source variant that we get to package, and an Enterprise version that's expensive as heck
 yep
 wxl: it's been known for some time but if you want to suggest to the dev team to push the cherrypick, I'd suggest you email ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-devel-discuss for that
 since that's where the Ubuntu stuff sits :P
[18:34] <wxl> maybe recommend that to the OP
 *gives wxl more work*
 you can tell em ;)
[18:35] <wxl> sigh
 i'm on  a teleconference so I can't
 :P
[18:36] <wxl> love you bye
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[20:58] <KGIII> Discourse is throwing a 502 error, by the way.
 that's because it's mid-update
[20:58] <KGIII> Ah, that explains it.
 it'll resolve itself in a bit
 i don't announce the update cycles ;)
 but it won't let me look at the update manager to update plugins, etc. without running the rebuild step and getting us on latest Image so
[20:59] <KGIII> LOL I use WordPress a lot and let it update itself. It too tosses errors when it's updating certain aspects.
 yep well this is a heavy Ruby app
 so :P
 should be up again
 ... or not.  (another update)
[21:01] <KGIII> Yeah, I've taken a look at their github page.
[21:02] <KGIII> For forums, I'm an old-school SMF fan. It makes me feel pleasantly nostalgic.
 lol
 i do the updates to Discourse about once a month
 this is a month since the last update cycle so
[21:02] <wxl> i LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOATHE forums. discourse is the exception. and even then, it's weird.
[21:03] <KGIII> Any great new features to look forward to?
 wxl hates all methods of technical support forums even askubuntu
[21:03] <wxl> well see there again i kind of like askubuntu
 you're only saying that since i'm a diamond mod there :P
[21:03] <wxl> i hate to say it but i think i like jeff atwood's work
[21:03] <KGIII> I like the whole SE network of sites. There's a plugin to turn WordPress into a similar site. I have been meaning to play with it.
 /me throws gems at @teward001 (re @teward001: yep well this is a heavy Ruby app)
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[22:49] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl "vbox is open source except for t"> Ah, so it is open but not libre?  Too bad, but at least it is plug-n-play vs virtman 🙃
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 I don't remember doing a bunch to get virt-manager working but it was a while ago.
[22:51] <wxl> me either, to be honest
[22:51] <wxl> i'm just used to vbox
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[17:05] <nzoueidi> o/
[17:06] <nzoueidi> Out of curiosity, is the kernel of Ubuntu follows the code style of the linux kernel itself?
[18:09] <apw> nzoueidi, yep
[18:09] <nzoueidi> Alright, thank you apw :)
[18:10] <nzoueidi> I am interested in the mm sub-system in the Ubuntu kernel, do you have/know any bugs there (for newcomers)?
[18:12] <nzoueidi> I can't see any todo.txt there.
[21:53] <apw> nzoueidi, those kinds of bugs are all in the upstream bugzilla
[21:53] <nzoueidi> ah I see thanks :)
[21:53] <apw> but that is one of the hardest things to start with, you might consider trying something simpler and work up
[21:54] <nzoueidi> It would be much appreciated if you have examples/references :)


[00:02] <Riddell> nixternal: buliding new ones now
[00:02] <Riddell> (which means I don't know yet)
[00:02] <nixternal> k
[00:02] <nixternal> maybe get a chance to test them out later tonight?
[00:03] <Riddell> don't let me stop you
[00:04] <nixternal> I can wait...I will leave some space on my desktop to test with
[00:05] <Riddell> it'll be about 10 minutes
[00:15] <nixternal> groovy, let me know when it is available for download if you are still awake :)
[00:18] <Riddell> nixternal: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily-live/20080226/
[00:18] <nixternal> thank you sir
[00:18] <Riddell> alternate ones will appear soon under daily/  they are less likely to work but I'm hopeful
[00:19] <nixternal> hehe
[00:21] <nixternal> are these discs coming with OOo or KOffice2?
[00:30] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: ping
[00:32] <Hobbsee> You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[00:32] <nosrednaekim> no pointy sticks in that reproof?
[00:33] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee : are your around now?
[00:33] <Hobbsee> maybe
[00:33] <Hobbsee> somewhat
[00:33] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee : may i ask you a private question?
[00:34] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: sure
[00:40] <Riddell> nixternal: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily/20080226/
[00:41] <nixternal> getting it now
[00:41] <Riddell> thanks
[00:41]  * Riddell sleeps
[00:41] <nixternal> g'nite
[00:41] <Jucato> g' night Riddell :)
[00:42] <nixternal> wasabi Jucato
[00:42]  * Jucato waves to nixternal and Hobbsee
[00:42] <nosrednaekim> bye Jucato
[00:42] <Hobbsee> night!
[00:42] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[00:42] <Jucato> nosrednaekim!!
[00:42] <Jucato> heh not me.
[00:42]  * Jucato is not sleeping at 08:41 while doing laundry :)
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> Jucato» oh.. thought you were leaving lol
[00:43] <Jucato> hehe :P
[00:44] <nixternal> I think it is about time for some chili
[00:44] <Jucato> yum! :)
[00:44] <Jucato> er. apt!
[00:45]  * nosrednaekim just had chili
[00:45] <nixternal> or conary
[00:45] <nixternal> :p
[00:45] <nixternal> or emerge
[00:45] <Jucato> or... s_____
[00:45] <nixternal> shite?
[00:46] <Jucato> hm.. when you guys say "chili" do you always mean the flatulence-inducing kind?
[00:46] <Jucato> (chili beans?)
[00:46] <nixternal> oh ya
[00:46] <Jucato> oh...
[00:46] <nixternal> lots of meat
[00:46]  * Jucato opens the Windows(tm)
[00:46] <nixternal> lots of peppers
[00:46] <nixternal> lots of fire breathing dragons
[00:46] <Jucato> Konqi!!
[00:47] <Jucato> oh... UWN didn't seem to inlcude sabdfl's interview in the Linux Foundation
[00:47] <nixternal> who is sabdfl?
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> Mark Shuttleworth
[00:47] <nixternal> who is that?
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[00:47] <nixternal> haha
[00:47] <Jucato> nixternal: how many times do we have to say, sarcasm is lost in transmission :)
[00:48] <nixternal> been a while since I seen his name
[00:48] <Jucato> (over the 'net)
[00:48] <Jucato> http://linux-foundation.org/weblogs/openvoices/mark-shuttleworth/
[02:01] <nixternal> Riddell: Alternate CD is a no go, it crashes during the installing files towards the end, LiveCD won't start the desktop however it seems that it does in fact install, even though it seems to have just locked up on the reboot portion
[02:03] <nixternal> Riddell: also, the Live CD installer is the slower than installing Vista, literally slooooowwww, like catepillar walking slow :)
[02:03] <nixternal> BAH!
[02:03] <nixternal> Riddell: Could not start kstaryupconfig4. Check your installation.
[02:04] <nixternal> This is the same error you get when you try to run the Live CD to test it out
[02:04] <nixternal> and this is the error you get after installing as well
[02:06] <jjesse> bummer on all those errors
[02:09] <nixternal> it is called from startkde
[02:09] <nixternal> if test $? -ne 0;
[02:09] <nixternal> it is failing that test
[02:15] <nixternal> linking seems to be the issue, kstartupconfig4 tries to run kdostartupconfig4 however that is not found
[02:20] <jjesse> bummer
[02:22] <jjesse> i really miss my DVR when i'm not home... miss the ability to pause to use the resteroom
[02:22] <jjesse> and skipp stupid commercials
[02:23]  * Hobbsee discovers something amazing
[02:23] <crimsun_> jjesse: did you get your audio issues straightened?  (just reattached)
[02:23] <jjesse> crimsun_: haven't really played w/ it much as i've reboot several times since then
[02:23] <crimsun_> jjesse: 'k
[02:24] <jjesse> i'm sure its something w/ the intel sound card i have
[02:24] <jjesse> had to do a custom install of alsa to get sound working in the first place
[02:25] <crimsun_> jjesse: nah, that's symptomatic of broken drivers
[02:25] <crimsun_> if hardy's l-u-m doesn't resolve it, you probably want to track my alsa-driver changes on LP
[02:26] <crimsun_> anyhow, was just checking for progress.  Don't mind me. :)
[02:28] <nixternal> hey, my sound is still buggy
[02:28] <nixternal> since Edgy now :p
[02:28] <jjesse> crimsun_: thanks for the offer, iwll look into testing hardy alpha to see how things go
[02:28] <nixternal> jjesse: if it is Intel it isn't any better
[02:28] <nixternal> my sound works, I just can't control the volume anymore with my media keys
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» did you try setting the shortcuts manually in mkix?
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> *kmix
[02:29] <crimsun_> nixternal: lspci -nv|grep -A1 0403
[02:29] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: yup, my media keys are the hard wired badboys
[02:29] <nixternal> 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:27d8 (rev 01) Subsystem: 103c:30a5
[02:29] <nixternal> rev 01 at least
[02:29] <crimsun_> I only care about the SSID :)
[02:30] <nixternal> I have seen those with rev 03 want to kill themselves at Install Fests
[02:30] <crimsun_> oh, I pushed extra quirks for those already.
[02:30] <nixternal> this KDE 4 issue from the live CD is annoying
[02:30] <nixternal> so I should be expecting an update for those one of these days then?
[02:30] <crimsun_> they're not in Alpha 5's l-u-m -8
[02:30] <crimsun_> well, that depends on rtg
[02:31] <nixternal> ok, so I should expect them in Intrepid
[02:31] <crimsun_> you can test alsa-source, though (that's essentially the only thing I'm still concerned about)
[02:31] <nixternal> :P
[02:32] <crimsun_> (need module-assistant, debconf-utils; m-a clean,a-i alsa-source && /sbin/alsa force-reload)
[02:35] <nixternal> sudo m-a clean && sudo a-i alsa-source && sudo /sbin/alsa force-reload
[02:35] <nixternal> I take it that is the command I should run?
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> m-a = module assistant I think......
[02:35] <nixternal> No package specified. STOP.
[02:35] <nixternal> if I run m-a clean
[02:36] <nixternal> ahh, you actually use the ,
[02:40] <nixternal> crimsun_: how long does the 'Building alsa-source, step 1, please wait' stick around for?
[02:40] <nixternal> nevermind, right as I hit enter it took off
[02:45] <jjesse> unfortnately i've gotten good at  building alsa-source
[02:51] <nixternal> didn't do anything for me
[02:51] <nixternal> media volume up/down control Master, however master doesn't do anything for me, I have to control the volume via PCM
[02:51] <nixternal> and if I set PCM as master, it still isn't controlled by the keys
[02:52] <nixternal> annoying, but I just learned to set the kmix icon to allow middle clicking for mute :)
[02:52] <nixternal> and if I set it to PCM, I can scroll up and down on the speaker to at least control the volume
[02:52] <nixternal> food time
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> awwww! i'm 1 week too young to be in the GSoC
[03:12] <jjesse> nosrednaekim: that's a bummer
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> one guy suggested I write google an email..... not sure though,guess it couldn't hurt
[03:14] <jjesse> it would be cool if they made an exception
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> yep
[03:18] <jjesse> man i'm bored tonight
[03:19] <crimsun_> nixternal: you're not using the latest
[03:20] <crimsun_> nixternal: see the vcs-bzr entry in the source
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> jjesse» do you have op priv to the #kubuntu channel
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» ping.
[04:24] <nixternal> Riddell: it seems that startkde on the KDE 4 cd doesn't have the following:
[04:25] <nixternal> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/lib
[04:25] <nixternal> export KDEDIRS=/usr/lib/kde4
[04:25] <nixternal> export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH
[04:25] <nixternal> once I added those to my startkde from the Live CD install, KDE 4 works like a champ
[04:35] <nixternal> anyone have an idea on how to fix the fonts to make them look nice? on a fresh install of KDE 4 they look ugly
[04:36] <nixternal> nevermind, forced them to 96dpi and they look fine now
[05:09] <nixternal> impressive...KDE 4 with my Radeon 9700 using OpenGL works amazingly well
[05:09] <nixternal> can't say the same for Compiz though
[06:44] <serega> morning
[06:44] <nixternal> mornin'
[06:49] <serega> nixternal: how is the weather? is it ok?
[06:49] <nixternal> gettin' a lot of snow
[09:55]  * serega_ waves to serega
[09:58] <serega_> looks like I forgot to shutdown konversation at home :)
[09:59] <serega_> someone, please kick "serega"
[10:12] <hads> serega_: Just recover the nick.
[10:17] <serega_> hads: recover?
[10:17] <serega_> hads: [Nick] Nickname already in use, try a different one.
[10:18] <hads> /msg nickserv help
[10:19] <serega> hads: thank you
[10:19] <hads> np
[10:22] <Riddell> nixternal: /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde does have those export lines
[10:37] <Hobbsee> !ghost | serega_
[10:37] <ubotu> serega_: On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[10:38] <serega> Hobbsee: thanks
[11:00] <serzholino> hi! Is it enough to add new session file to /usr/share/xsessions to be picked by kdm in kde3?
[11:01] <serzholino> I've added there new session file for my kde4 build, but it doesn't appear in kdm sessions list
[11:02] <serega> I have fixed an issue and packaged my fix. I think I should upload *.diff.gz and *.dsc somewhere
[11:12] <serega> Riddell: Good day, Jonathan. Please excuse my bothering. Who could review/upload my package?
[11:21] <Riddell> serega: I should be able to
[11:22] <serega> Riddell: thanks, where to send it to?
[11:22] <Riddell> serega: please make a debdiff and upload that somewhere
[11:22] <serega> ok
[11:22] <Riddell> serega: make a but report and attach or just put it on a web server and paste the url
[11:23] <Riddell> serzholino: yes that should be enough
[11:23] <serzholino> :(
[11:30] <serzholino> still no luck with kde4 session
[11:31] <Riddell> #kde-devel
[11:33] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell
[11:35] <serega> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/918822
[11:40] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[11:40] <Riddell> serega: nice
[11:42] <serega> Riddell: thanks. as far as I see install-css.sh is just a sample script. Can I continue my work on real dvdcss autoinstallation is nobody does?
[11:43] <Riddell> serega: please do
[11:43] <Riddell> serega: just extent install-codecs to also install the dvdcss.deb
[11:44] <Riddell> serega: patched kaffeine uploaded thanks
[11:45] <serega> Riddell: ok, I will. thank you Jonathan and please take personal appologizes to you for my long absense
[12:18] <Riddell> nixternal: live CD works fine for me
[12:21] <Riddell> anyone able to test the amd64 live CD?
[12:33] <serega> Riddell: in the evening
[13:33] <serega> Riddell: I have some questions, please let me know when we can discuss it
[13:35] <jpatrick> serega: how goes the translation?
[13:37] <serega> jpatrick: pretty good, but I get stuck at the paragraph which references to your .tar.gz
[13:37] <serega> jpatrick: I am unsure of directory structure inside of it
[13:38] <jpatrick> serega: look at the debian-templ dir in the source tarball, that's it
[13:38] <serega> jpatrick: another one issue: I have to google how to compile cyrillic PDF :)
[13:38] <serega> jpatrick: it is inaccessible, remember?)
[13:38] <jpatrick> serega: why?
[13:39] <jpatrick> serega: in kubuntu-tutorials-day-packaging.tar.gz there should be two debian-* dirs
[13:39] <serega> jpatrick: host was down, I'll check it now
[13:39] <jpatrick> serega: run ./genpdf in the latex source dir too :) to get the PDF
[13:40] <jpatrick> serega: yeah, I remember that what was on the host, was in the latex source
[13:40] <serega> jpatrick: it is not so easy for cyrillic documents, really
[13:41] <jpatrick> :(
[13:41] <serega> jpatrick: do not worry, there are lots of solutions for russian TeX
[13:41] <serega> jpatrick: could you remind me your home page URL? I'm at job now
[13:51] <Riddell> serega: hi, any time
[13:57] <serega> Riddell: in install-codecs script we try to use gksudo and xterm+sudo when kdesu is unavailable. The same is with kdialog. Do we really need this? It is a great source of script complexity
[13:58] <serega> Riddell: I mean kaffeine codec autoinstallation is kubuntu feature, maybe it's must not work even in ubuntu etc
[13:59] <serega> at install script level
[14:00] <Riddell> there's an argument against it
[14:00] <Riddell> kaffeine could always just recommend kdesudo and adept and if you don't have those tough
[14:02] <serega> Riddell: do you mean package 'Recommended' property?
[14:05] <serega> Riddell: so I can use only KDE-suite utils, right?
[14:09] <Riddell> serega: yes
[14:09] <Riddell> serega: if those recommends are added I'm happy with that
[14:09] <Riddell> serega: one day it can just use package kit of course
[14:10] <serega> Riddell: great. I'll add recommends. thanks!
[14:13] <Riddell> serega: and of course it should fail sensibly if they are not installed
[14:15] <serega> Riddell: it will result in kaffeine message "Unable to play"
[14:16] <serega> Riddell: is it acceptable?
[14:16] <Riddell> that's fine
[14:17] <serega> this means "Codec autoinstallation is not possible" indeed :)
[14:47] <serega> Riddell: is that soltion with http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/packages/libdvdcss-i386.php URL still acceptable for us?
[14:59] <Riddell> serega: yes I think so
[15:37] <Riddell> nixternal: oh, you were testing amd64.  bummer
[15:41] <serega> Riddell: implement libdvdcss-i386.php as an symbolic link 'libdvdcss-i386.deb' to real deb file. kfmclient tries to handle .php
[15:41] <serega> Riddell: please
[15:45] <Riddell> serega: the problem is that packages.medibuntu.org reports it as application/octet-stream mimetype
[15:46] <serega> Riddell: I thought you just mirrored the .deb, didn't you?
[15:47] <Riddell> serega: no, it's a forward to packages.medibuntu.org
[15:50] <serega> Riddell: is it possible to make a .deb extension at your side somehow?
[15:51] <serega> Riddell: do not spent too much time, only if it is easy
[15:54] <Riddell> surpringly it seems to work http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/packages/libdvdcss-i386.deb
[15:57] <serega> Riddell: you rock! how did you do that?
[15:58] <serega> ^)
[16:03] <Riddell> serega: apache lets me set the extension to mimetypes
[16:06] <\sh> Riddell: isn't this a similarity to kde gears? http://scr3.golem.de/?d=0802/bungie-interview&a=57950&s=1
[16:13] <Riddell> \sh: not much I'd say
[16:14] <\sh> Riddell: when I saw this, I wasn't sure if it wasn't the kde symbol ;)
[16:15] <\sh> but actually i need some sleep....
[16:16] <apachelogger> jpatrick: pling
[16:16] <apachelogger> ahoy, btw :P
[16:17] <jpatrick> apachelogger: pong
[16:18] <apachelogger> jpatrick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings <-- do we have a nu meeting date? the current one looks out of date... where to add items? meeting+1?
[16:19] <jpatrick> apachelogger: hrm, I've lost track of the dates
[16:19] <apachelogger> hm, there wasn't much to loose for me ;-)
[16:20] <jpatrick> apachelogger: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dragonplayer.html
[16:20] <apachelogger> yay
[16:20] <apachelogger> jpatrick: btw, 2.0.1 is out :P
[16:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, it ought to be tomorrow
[16:20] <apachelogger> talking about that... I actually wanted to upload that on sunday :|
[16:20] <jpatrick> apachelogger: http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=dragonplayer
[16:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: no wait, we had one more recently..
[16:21] <apachelogger> last wed, wasn't it?
[16:21] <jpatrick> next sunday I think it is
[16:21] <apachelogger> the one without agenda and stuff
[16:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: right, so next one should be a week on saturday 8th
[16:21] <apachelogger> ok
[16:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: time as always?
[16:22] <Riddell> 1100utc
[16:22] <jpatrick> apachelogger: 11UTC
[16:22] <apachelogger> aye
[16:22] <apachelogger> *updating*
[16:22] <Riddell> poke nixternal for the fridge entry
[16:23] <apachelogger> nixternal: *poke*
[16:23] <jjesse> don't poke nixternal too hard he gets angry
[16:23]  * apachelogger throws his sonic screwdriver at nixternal
[16:40] <serega> gdebi-kde doesn't install libdvdcss: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/919128
[16:42] <serega> 484 megs of free mem
[16:44] <Riddell> serega: that's a known bug
[16:45] <Riddell> it hits randomly
[16:45] <nixternal> 2008-03-08 @ 11:00 UTC?
[16:46] <jpatrick> nixternal: prefect
[16:46] <serega> darn...
[16:46] <serega> Riddell: is it fixed in HArdy?
[16:47] <serega> heh... it really consumes ALL memory :)
[16:48] <nixternal> meeting submitted to the fridge
[16:49] <Riddell> serega: unfortunately not, it's very hard to debug
[16:53] <serega> Riddell: ok, I will use it in script anyway in hope this bug will be fixed :-/
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> kicker-compiz and kicker-taskbar-compiz in main in hardy?
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> *are
[17:08] <serega> Riddell: review please the next patch: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/919149
[17:09] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: ...
[17:10] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: nope
[17:10] <nosrednaekim> mmk, then we can get rid of that bug report.
[17:11] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: there was a LP bug that put them into main when accepted but they were quickly demoted
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> bug #194983
[17:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194983 in desktop-effects-kde "desktop-effects-kde4 should install kicker-compiz & kicker-taskbar-compiz" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194983
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> ok
[17:12] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: I think, won't fix, nice idea tho
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> yeah. I was actually thinking it myself. too bad.
[17:40] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: who was I supposed to ping about desktop-effects-kde being included in main?
[17:41] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: pitti I think
[17:42] <nosrednaekim> mmk
[17:45] <nixternal> I must say, Ubuntu is pretty polished
[17:45] <nixternal> awn has some neat scripts/applets too that are kind of handy
[17:46] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: hardy now uses AWN by default?
[17:47] <yuriy> awn?
[17:47] <nosrednaekim> avant window manager.... a mac os X looking dock
[17:53] <nixternal> no, you have to install it
[17:59] <jussi01> Hmmm, does anyone know whats the issue with te lang packs atm? getting a few people in #kubuntu asking how to fix. can someone update me?
[18:00] <nixternal> only language pack I ran across with boogs is the Italian one I think, and a fix was uploaded for that
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> jussi01: seems the canadian pack was broken (I think)
[18:01] <jussi01> Ok, whats the recomended fix?
[18:02] <nixternal> canadian pack? does have like 'ey' or something in it? don't they speak the same english as everyone else? :p
[18:02] <nixternal> obviously my language pack is lacking some words, like 'it' for example
[18:02] <nixternal> does *IT* have like 'ey'.... :p
[18:03] <nixternal> snow blowing time!
[18:03] <jussi01> LOL
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> jussi01: eh... quassel doesn't seem to be handling private queys very well... just a moment while I switch to konversation
[18:03] <jussi01> kk
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> jussi01: BRB... gotta do something for my mom
[18:07] <jussi01> ok
[18:14] <jussi01> nixternal: you mentioned a fix was uploaded, was there a bug you know of?
[18:48] <apachelogger> jpatrick: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dragonplayer/
[18:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: would be nice if you could throw it into gutsy-backports :)
[18:49] <jpatrick> apachelogger: the debian one is ready, just awaiting upload
[18:50] <apachelogger> nice
[18:50] <jussi01> ooohhh, its apachelogger
[18:50] <apachelogger> omg
[18:50]  * apachelogger is hiding
[18:50] <jpatrick> apachelogger: yeah, not as easy as: "dput debian *.changes && echo 'Suffer '"
[18:50] <jussi01> apachelogger: I was told you have debs of quassel? is that true? if so, where can i get?
[18:52] <apachelogger> jussi01: I am preparing the upload to my PPA right now
[18:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: can't yet, remind me again in a few hours
[18:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok
[18:53] <jpatrick> apachelogger: hiding from who?
[18:54] <apachelogger> jpatrick: jussi01
[18:54] <jussi01> apachelogger: great, Id love to grab them, so do let me know if you can when they are done :)
[18:54] <jpatrick> apachelogger: hehe
[18:54] <apachelogger> jussi01: will do
[18:54] <apachelogger> hm
[18:55]  * apachelogger just edited the wrong package
[18:55] <apachelogger> I have 5 revisions of quassel's packaging
[18:57] <apachelogger> jpatrick: is the series name intrepid or ibex?
[18:57] <jpatrick> apachelogger: ibex
[18:57] <apachelogger> phew, very good :D
[19:00] <nareshov> anyone with ruby-packaging experience here?
[19:04] <Riddell> nareshov: seaLne has done a bit
[19:11] <LeeJunFan> is it the fault of knetworkmanager or just NetworkManager that when I have a working wifi connection and I plug in ethernet it disconnects wifi and tries to autoconf the ethernet? It would be much better that if there's a working connection and a new one is detected that one would manually select that new connection.
[19:13] <fdoving> Riddell: hi, will you be updating the qt4.4 package in your ppa regularly?
[19:13] <jussi01> LeeJunFan: as I understand it, it just prefers ethernet over wireless
[19:13] <ScottK> LeeJunFan: It's Network Manager.  Not KDE specific and that is by design.
[19:13] <LeeJunFan> jussi01: I'm hoping to file a feature request but I'm not sure if it's NetworkManager or knetworkmanager that does it.
[19:14] <LeeJunFan> ScottK: okay, thanks.
[19:14] <nareshov> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/194463 , please :)
[19:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194463 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Rubygame" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[19:16] <Riddell> nareshov: doesn't look like a KDE package, try #ubuntu-motu
[19:16] <Riddell> fdoving: only as I get time
[19:16] <Riddell> fdoving: help would be nice :)
[19:18] <fdoving> Riddell: ok. there is a issue in the current ones, i'll try to make an updated version before bedtime.
[19:18] <fdoving> s/there is a/i have a/
[19:19] <Riddell> fdoving: what's the issue?
[19:20] <Riddell> fdoving: packaging beta 1 presumably?
[19:22] <fdoving> Riddell: the issue is with some qlocalsocket, it should be fixed in the qt-copy svn.
[19:25] <Riddell> fdoving: beta 1 is out yesterday
[19:25] <fdoving> is qt-copy updated?
[19:26] <Riddell> no idea
[19:26] <fdoving> i'll find out.
[19:26] <fdoving> and make some updated package.
[19:27] <jpatrick> apachelogger: it works!
[19:27] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: what works?
[19:28] <jpatrick> apachelogger:  aplg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:28] <apachelogger> oh well
[19:28] <apachelogger> jpatrick: it already did work since about 2 months :P
[19:28] <apachelogger> I just had to try the desktop file ;-)
[19:30] <jussi01> :D
[19:30] <apachelogger> *backporting*
[19:33] <hunger> does somebody know why I end up with kdeinit4 complaining about me needing KComponentData object when trying to run KDE4?
[19:46] <apachelogger> 0.2~alpha1-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1
[19:46] <apachelogger> that is one awesome version :D
[19:46] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I have got an ubdated package for ksniffer - can you have a look at it?
[19:46] <apachelogger> sure
[19:46] <Nightrose> *updated
[19:47] <jussi01> apachelogger: in yor ppa now?
[19:47] <apachelogger> jussi01: nope
[19:47] <Nightrose> apachelogger: revu?
[19:47] <apachelogger> jussi01: testbuilding right now
[19:47]  * jussi01 is straining at the bit :P
[19:47] <jussi01> :D
[19:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: debdiff is easier, unless it is a completely new upstream release
[19:48] <Nightrose> ok - might take a little - just found another problem
[19:48] <apachelogger> yay
[19:49] <jpatrick> Nightrose: hmm, are you not in #kubuntu-de? :)
[19:49] <Nightrose> jpatrick: nope - too bussy and not really useful for me most of the time ;-)
[19:49]  * Nightrose has got too many channels already
[19:50] <Nightrose> should leave some of them, really
[19:50] <apachelogger> jpatrick: she's prefering to talk about the more RL related stuff in the german team channel ;-)
[19:50] <Nightrose> :P yea
[19:50] <jpatrick> apachelogger: aha
[19:51] <jpatrick> jussi01: you on hardy?
[19:51] <jussi01> jpatrick: depends, sometimes... but on gutsy mostly
[19:52] <jpatrick> jussi01: coult you test semantik for me while you wait?
[19:52] <jpatrick> could*
[19:52] <jussi01> jpatrick: on gutsy?
[19:52] <jpatrick> jussi01: hardy :)
[19:53] <apachelogger> backport!
[19:53] <jussi01> jpatrick: hmmm, Id need to reboot...
[19:53] <jussi01> so no, not right _now_ sorry
[19:54] <jpatrick> jussi01: no problems, I just need to know if the package actually, erm, works
[19:54]  * jpatrick had to add several patchs to get it to build
[19:54] <apachelogger> Finished:  	 59 seconds ago  (took eight minutes
[19:54] <apachelogger> muhahahahaha
[19:54] <jpatrick> seltsam
[19:57] <apachelogger> jussi01: gutsy buidls in my ppa
[19:57] <apachelogger> hardy building right now
[19:57] <jussi01> apachelogger: great! (lazyness get the better of me, link?)
[19:58] <apachelogger> no :P
[19:58] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Eapachelogger/+archive
[20:22] <Nightrose> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/m4f42318a
[21:15] <Nightrose> apachelogger: http://www.lydiapintscher.de/tmp/ksniffer.diff
[21:16] <apachelogger> Nightrose: it is a new upstream release, isn't it?
[21:16] <Nightrose> it is - didn´t I tell you? ;-)
[21:16] <apachelogger> nope
[21:16] <apachelogger> plus, I saied, hopefully, only a debdiff if it isn't a new upstream release :P
[21:17] <Nightrose> oO ;-)
[21:17] <Nightrose> apachelogger: revu?
[21:18] <apachelogger> no
[21:18] <apachelogger> well
[21:18] <apachelogger> I can't find a proper howto :P
[21:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: usually you would attach the diff.gz to a LP bug  or - IMHO even better, create an interdiff
[21:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: (LP:#195827) <-- whitespace before # plz
[21:19] <Nightrose> k
[21:19] <apachelogger> hm, that was everthing Oo
[21:20] <Nightrose> :P
[21:20] <apachelogger> ok, now I want the diff.gz :P
[21:20] <apachelogger> there must be more to update
[21:20] <Nightrose> k rebuilding and attaching to bugreport
[21:27] <jussi01> apachelogger: hmmm, how do i use this?
[21:28] <ScottK2> apachelogger: I thought we gave up on interdiff.
[21:30] <Nightrose> apachelogger: bug #195827 has got an attachment for you ;-)
[21:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195827 in ksniffer "[needs update] ksniffer needs update to version 0.3.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195827
[21:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes, that's why I saied diff.gz first ;-)
[21:34] <apachelogger> still I think interdiff is reasonable sometimes
[21:39] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: there is something wrong with this diff
[21:40] <Nightrose> meh :/ what?
[21:42] <apachelogger> well
[21:42] <apachelogger> hold on
[21:42] <apachelogger> maybe my ark just br0ke something
[21:42] <apachelogger> since I broke ark, ark tends to break stuff ;-)
[21:42] <Nightrose> hehe
[21:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you check for copyright updates?
[21:43] <apachelogger> like some 2008 copyrights
[21:44] <Nightrose> hmm nope - will check
[21:44] <Nightrose> what is the best way to do that?
[21:44] <apachelogger> grep for 2008 I'd say :)
[21:45] <Nightrose> hehe ok
[21:45] <jpatrick> grep "Copyright" *
[21:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: If you build the .deb and then use debc that'll show you most of what I tend to use ark for in reviewing a package.
[21:45] <ScottK> jpatrick: grep -i even.
[21:45] <ScottK> grep -ir for bonus points.
[21:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: building the deb from just a diff.gz might take longer than starting ark twice :)
[21:46] <apachelogger> good suggestion though
[21:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: Also less will display a diff.gz.
[21:46] <jpatrick> I once saw a funny: for files in dirs; less $file 15 >> ../debian/copyright; end in -motu
[21:46] <Riddell> gar, oversized i386
[21:47] <apachelogger> jpatrick: that would make maintaining quite easy :D
[21:48] <jpatrick> apachelogger: I forgot what the real command was tho..
[21:48] <apachelogger> Nightrose: maintainer needs to change .... current maintainer gets 'XSBC-Original-Maintainer:' as tag, new maintainer is 'Ubuntu MOTU Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:49] <Nightrose> k
[21:50] <apachelogger> Nightrose: current standards version is 3.7.3 (see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or package debian-policy)
[21:50] <apachelogger> Nightrose: in hardy homepage is an own tag right under Standards-Version, please place it there and remove it from the long description
[21:51] <Nightrose> k
[21:51] <jpatrick> bonsoir raphink
[22:08]  * Riddell hugs yuriy
[22:09] <jjesse> yay yurriy
[22:11]  * yuriy hugs Riddell and jjesse
[22:11] <yuriy> any mods for kubuntu-users? my message got moderated
[22:13]  * jpatrick hugs yuriy and informs the guys in #kubuntu
[22:14] <Riddell> yuriy: not in the moderation queue
[22:15] <Riddell> yuriy: try re-sending
[22:16] <fdoving> Riddell: my up2date qt4.4 (untested), will become available at http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/qt4.4/ in a while. currently uploading. feel free to put it into your ppa.
[22:18] <jpatrick> Riddell: could you bump my access in #kubuntu to 25? Need it for the "set" command.
[22:21] <Riddell> fdoving: great!
[22:21] <Riddell> jpatrick: what does that do?
[22:23] <jpatrick> Riddell: basically set one of these messages: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57522/
[22:24] <Riddell> jpatrick: I don't understand
[22:25] <jpatrick> Riddell: /msg ChanServ help set entrymsg - basically it
[22:25] <ryanakca> jpatrick: shouldn't Kubuntu have its own entry message? (instead of ripping one off another channel) ?
[22:26] <jpatrick> ryanakca: I thought one like the #ubuntu one might help ;-)
[22:28] <ryanakca> ;-)
[22:34] <Riddell> jpatrick: right, but what do you need to change and why?
[22:35] <jpatrick> Riddell: it doesn't matter :)
[22:42] <_StefanS_> evening
[22:42] <_StefanS_> anyone know where the background for the moodin-ksplash is?
[22:43] <jpatrick> _StefanS_: /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/
[22:43] <_StefanS_> jpatrick: thanks ;)
[22:43] <Riddell> /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/
[22:44] <crimsun_> nixternal: you mentioned that feisty was the last time mmkeys functioned as expected OOTB?
[22:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: is the current one cached somewhere? I can get it to change
[22:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: really odd.. the symlink point to the correct image also.
[22:45] <jpatrick> _StefanS_: bug #129126
[22:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129126 in ksplash-engine-moodin "moodin caches themes in user directory" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129126
[22:45] <_StefanS_> heh
[22:45] <_StefanS_> right then.
[22:45] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes
[22:45] <_StefanS_> recompile it is.
[22:45] <Riddell> it's not compiled
[22:45] <_StefanS_> no?
[22:45] <Riddell> ~/.kde/share/apps/ksplash/cache/Moodin/kubuntu/
[22:46] <_StefanS_> ah yep
[22:46] <Riddell> patches welcome for a sensible way to detect that the cache is out of date
[22:47] <_StefanS_> yes.. I wonder how to do that actually since it converts the image to png
[22:47] <_StefanS_> someday maybe :)
[22:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: anyways, I've prepared some screenshots of hardy, the way I would want it to look: http://enhance-it.dk/hardy/
[22:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its qtcurve + crystal w/new buttons + other wallpaper, and a little darker titlebars
[22:58] <Nightrose> apachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ksniffer/+bug/195827 - next try ;-)
[22:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195827 in ksniffer "[needs update] ksniffer needs update to version 0.3.2" [Undecided,New]
[22:59] <yuriy> _StefanS_: eeeek :P
[23:00] <_StefanS_> yuriy: what parts are eek ? :)
[23:00] <Riddell> _StefanS_: it's all artwork to me, convince kwwii :)
[23:00] <_StefanS_> Riddell: right.
[23:00] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I will.
[23:00] <yuriy> the titlebar buttons (the current hardy ones are very nice though last i checked) and the menu hilight and the scrollbars
[23:01] <_StefanS_> yuriy: too dark borders?
[23:01] <yuriy> _StefanS_: yeah i think that describes it well
[23:01] <_StefanS_> yuriy: whats wrong with the scrollbars?
[23:01] <_StefanS_> yuriy: too light?
[23:01] <yuriy> but also i rather like polyester. and of course been using just oxygen for the past month and a half..
[23:02] <yuriy> _StefanS_: overall i guess the style looks to much like keramik to me
[23:02] <_StefanS_> yuriy: but the shadow on the titlebar is nice, dont you think ?
[23:02] <yuriy> what shadow?
[23:02] <_StefanS_> yuriy: text on the titlebars
[23:03] <yuriy> oh, yes
[23:03] <_StefanS_> yuriy: enhances readability alot compared to now I think
[23:03] <_StefanS_> yuriy: I not all that pro glass, but I didnt want to change it completely
[23:03] <_StefanS_> yuriy: I/I'm
[23:08] <_StefanS_> wel.. good night
[23:26] <Nightrose> Riddell: KSniffer update done and reviewed by Harald - will bug him about it again tomorrow (think he went to sleep already)
[23:59] <nixternal_> anyone feel like teaching me all about database normalization, multivalue dependencies, 1NF, 2NF, 3NF, 4NF, BCNF?
[23:59] <nixternal_> this stuff is totally stupid
[23:59]  * Nightrose was forced to learn it a year ago and hated it


[17:11] <manornk> Hi guys, do you know maybe if ubuntu makes partnerships with NGOs, my NGO has one of the goals to spread knowledge about using digital resources.. and so on?
[17:14] <manornk> ?


[12:20] <JohnClare> Hi all. Trying to install docker on Snappy and keep getting hit with the following error: ERROR: Invalid policy version for 'docker_docker_<IP_ADDRESS>.json'. Skipping
[12:20] <JohnClare> any ideas?


[04:47] <pangolin> !vistalover
[04:47] <pangolin> !nixternal
[11:02] <bazhang> augh
[11:02] <bazhang> another "this is the biggest channel so I'll ask here" type
[11:09] <AlanBell> I think there should be a !udev factoid, not quite sure what it should say
[11:10] <AlanBell> maybe link to that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsbDriveDoSomethingHowto
[11:13] <Myrtti> AlanBell: you're a saint
[13:01] <LjL> !benchmark is <reply> Packages for bechmarking your system include bonnie++ (for drives), glmark2 (for 3D graphics), netperf (for networking), mbw (for memory) - For more, issue the !terminal command « apt-cache search benchmark »
[13:04] <LjL> !testing is <reply> To test your hardware, you can use the packages memtest86+ (for memory, can be started from the !GRUB boot menu), smartmontools (for hard drives), cpuburn (which MIGHT damage your processor if cooling is not adequate!). Additionally, lm-sensors can be useful to monitor temperatures and fan speeds.
[13:53] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu kldfnd Randomly tells me to use a pastebin to reply to a user, might have been in jest
[15:06] <bazhang> is it Troll o'clock?
[15:12] <Myrtti> you all should have push rights now to the quotes files
[15:12] <Myrtti> so if you see anything worth noting down, feel free :-P
[15:56] <bazhang> whoopsie
[15:57] <bazhang> that was Alina from earlier as well.
[17:22] <oCean> francisco_ is Guest63972 from earlier
[17:23] <bazhang> discriminator!
[17:24] <pangolin> he's in -es now
[17:24] <pangolin> so far being good
[17:25] <oCean> still talking in #u (it's +z) I'm not sure but don't think it's on topic
[17:26] <pangolin> probably not
[17:28] <pangolin> he's being helped now in -es
[18:19] <Myrtti> mugen contacted me in pm, told him to join here to discuss it in English
[19:51] <LjL> [20:48:15] <maujhsn> I have an mplayer install issue...."Help" http://pastebin.com/E5y7yQ63   [20:48:57] <LjL> maujhsn: output of "apt-cache policy mplayer"?   [20:51:05] <maujhsn> LJL I will give it a try and let you know how things work out!
[19:51] <LjL> ... wut
 wildc4rd, try installing traffic control application in windowsXP .
[19:52] <bazhang> he seems to not make sense
[20:11]  * LjL wonders if it's just him, or Myr hasn't actually said anything requiring a !who
[20:11] <LjL> not to mention the irony of using !who without a recipient
[20:12] <pangolin> !wat
[20:13] <bazhang> LjL, yeah, that was pretty funny; a !who without piping it to anyone
[21:38] <pangolin> Myrtti: !!!!!!!!
[21:39] <bazhang> she can now KLINE US
[21:39] <bazhang> RUN
[21:39] <Tm_T> s/can/will/
[21:39] <bazhang> :0
[21:40] <Myrtti> RUN FOR YOUR LIVES
[21:41] <pangolin> rww and now Myrtti. I question how sane the process of choosing new staff is.
[22:20] <mrmist> how long have you been here that you figure the staff body to be sane?
[22:21] <Tm_T> mrmist: too long, clearly
[22:21] <pangolin> Tm_T: is right, way too long
[22:22] <Tm_T> I just came here, did I?


[01:39] <anastasiamac> thumper: wallyworld: get cred models and owner access, state layer... PTAL -  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8418
[01:42] <wallyworld> i'll look soon
[02:13] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: lgtm with a couple of small things, mainly a slightly enhanced test
[02:21]  * anastasiamac lloking
[03:51] <thumper> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8419
[03:51] <wallyworld> sure. how was interview?
[03:52] <thumper> wallyworld: quick HO
[03:52] <wallyworld> ok
[21:45] <elmo> jam: ping


[00:40] <Keybuk> cjwatson: so...
[06:21] <WaVeR> Morning
[10:16] <Mamarok> @ time Boston
[15:53] <cjwatson> Keybuk: hmm?
[15:57] <Hobbsee> did anyone tell the fridge guys that it's not on this time?
[16:00] <Burgundavia> no, they did not


[15:52] <DirtyEar> Hi. I have a Behringer XR18 and it comes with a "control surface" for Linux. I used to worked on ubuntu 16 and it runs. But now I have ubuntustudio 19.10 I cannot connect my mixer to my PC. The "plugin" opens but never connect to my mixer. Any idea of how to solve it?
[16:05] <OvenWerks> DirtyEar: Is the network connection wired or wireless?
[16:05] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: Thanks. The network is wired.
[16:07] <OvenWerks> have you reset the ip of the xr?
[16:07] <OvenWerks>  hmm that came out wrong
[16:07] <DirtyEar> I have the wired connected in my modem, and my pc too. I just doble click on the application and it opens. Sometimes the application ddi not coneected but I can connected in the application, but kow the aplication just open and say that is not connected
[16:08] <OvenWerks>  have you set up the ip in the control app to make sure it still points at the xr
[16:08] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: I have never moved or put things like IP or something in the application
[16:09] <OvenWerks> I am of course just guessing. I don't have an xr myself.
[16:09] <DirtyEar> I have been working with my celphone but is more easy to work on my PC
[16:10] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: Thanks!!
[16:11] <DirtyEar> I supossed is a library or something I need but I have been looking for and I did not have anything
[16:14] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: What do you think about this article? https://behringerwiki.musictribe.com/index.php?title=X-Air_Edit_with_Ubuntu_64_bit
[16:15] <OvenWerks> DirtyEar: is this the x air series?
[16:16] <OvenWerks> (using X-Air-Edit?
[16:16] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: Yes it is. I have an XR18 X-Air
[16:17] <DirtyEar> I have been trying to open X-AIR-Edit but it does not connected with my XR18
[16:17] <OvenWerks> under setup LAN do you have DHCP selected?
[16:17] <DirtyEar> But tue article is about Ubuntu 14. Do you think it could works?
[16:18] <OvenWerks> I think it could work yes. when I start X-Air-Edit from the command line it does put that error out: ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk3-nocsd.so.0' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64): ignored.
[16:19] <OvenWerks> obviuosly not all of the list libs are at fault, but it only takes one.
[16:20] <DirtyEar> Thanks. I will try
[16:21] <OvenWerks> I don't know if you need to do the sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 thing or not...
[16:28] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: When I doble clicked on the applicatios, it opens but does not let me to enter to any menu option
[16:30] <OvenWerks> Hmm mine does...even without installing the 32 bit libs
[16:31] <DirtyEar> I have been try the line I get this message https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hkyJwQGq9X/
[16:31] <OvenWerks> I can change lan mode from static to dhcp anyway. But I don't have the x air to hook up to.
[16:32] <DirtyEar> Any Idea if this necesary to run the X-AIR-Edit?
[16:32] <OvenWerks> right so you need to do the sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[16:32] <OvenWerks> and then sudo apt-get update
[16:32] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: At least you can enter to options, but I can not
[16:33] <OvenWerks> and then try again.
[16:34] <OvenWerks> I may have some 32 bit packages installed for other reasons that I don't remember
[16:35] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: I got these: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tmyyyxJXmv/
[16:36] <DirtyEar> Do you think could be some 32 package I do not have installed?
[16:38] <OvenWerks> It could be ubuntu has dropped some package you need. I am not sure though
[16:38] <OvenWerks> I am still on 18.04 here.
[16:39] <DirtyEar> Ok. Thanks for your time. :]
[16:40] <OvenWerks> If you are missing depends and you can get the packages but not the depends then the package missing some depends should have a bug report.
[16:48] <DirtyEar> When I try to open the X-AIR-Edit I got this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VCx7RxjQYn/    any ideas of how can I fixed?
[16:50] <OvenWerks> That looks fine.
[16:51] <OvenWerks> you must have a newer version of X-Air_edit than I do.
[16:51] <OvenWerks> What I don't know is why the menu doesn't work...
[16:53] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: I cannot enter to menu and look for the mixer and connected. I have been looking for this more than one week but nothing
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> Zero issues with the 64-bit version of X-Air edit here.
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> 19.10.
[16:56] <Huber64> hello everyone
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks, DirtyEar: Really, this seems to be a support issue for Behringer since X-Air Edit isn't something we can or should support.
[16:59] <OvenWerks> Of course :)
[16:59] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: Thanks.
[17:00] <OvenWerks> It was just that at first it looked like it may have been a lib issue... but it's not, there are no startup erros.
[17:00] <DirtyEar> But It opens and I have another pc and I can open the applicaion and enter to menu.
[17:00] <DirtyEar> What could be wrong?
[17:01] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: I hate to say it, but that's not our problem. You need to contact Behringer. We do not support that application, nor do we have time to.
[17:01] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: If OvenWerks and myself have no issues opening the same application, then it's not an issue with Ubuntu Studio. Might be a configuration issue on your end.
[17:02] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: Ok. Thanks
[17:02] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: We just have to draw the line on applications we include and support. I hope you understand. XAir isn't supported here.
[17:03] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: I understand. Thanks for always helping me and I know you do all you can. Do not worry. I will aks them and see what happen.
[17:28] <tomreyn> looks like DirtyEar mixed up #ubuntu with behringer support
[17:28] <tomreyn> not sure you discussed this, but there's "X AIR Edit (Linux)" and "X AIR Edit (Linux 64Bit)" at https://www.behringer.com/Categories/Behringer/Mixers/Digital/XR18/p/P0BI8/Downloads
[17:31] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: I mentioned it.
[17:31] <tomreyn> ah alright
[17:32] <tomreyn> https://sites.google.com/site/xairutilities/ seems also related, and comes with source code
[17:35] <DirtyEar> Hi. Me again. I just wonder if may be something with the LAN on my UbuntuStudio 19.10 that I need to configure in order to open the X-AIR-Edit, because I have a Sony VAIO with Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS and I cipy the folder with the application to a USB and paste on the desktop of my sony VAIO and the applications was coneected to X-AIR-Edit
[17:40] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: To answer your question, there should be nothing. For me it just worked.
[17:44] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: Ok. Thanks for answer.
[18:13] <DirtyEar> Hi. I am thinking in re-install UbuntuStudio 19.10 because I have seen some errors and I see X-AIR-Edit works fine for you.
[18:14] <DirtyEar> I have a PC with a disk with 500 GB (250 for Windows 10 and 250 for Ubuntu) and a secundary disk with 1TB. What do you recommend in order to re-install UbuntuStudio in the best way without damage W10?
[18:18] <OvenWerks> why not just run ubuntustudio live from the iso on a USB stick?
[18:19] <OvenWerks> If it works there then problem solved, reinstall... if not then maybe a HW difficulty?
[18:20] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: Thanks for the advice. I really apreciatte the help I have in this forum
[18:21] <DirtyEar> I will try from the USB and see what happens. But I wonder If is something about the hardware, what thing could be wrong?
[18:39] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: It just might come down to the harsh truth that not all hardware is guaranteed to work with or is compatible with Linux.
[18:41] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: What part of the hardware could be un-compatible?
[18:41] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: Sometimes there's no way to know.
[18:44] <DirtyEar> I will try with the USB and I will be back
[19:33] <DirtyEar> i. I am just running UbuntuStudio 19.10 from USB, but the X-AIR-Edit does not work. I have a Music Studio and I have been work for some time with Ubuntu and I need to solve this
[19:34] <DirtyEar> But I think as Eickmeyer say, is a compatibility issue
[19:34] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: As stated before, we cannot support anything outside of the Ubuntu repositories, including X-Air Edit.
[19:35] <DirtyEar> I now. I just want to share what I got. Thanks
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: Thanks for the info.
[19:35] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: Thanks for your help!
[21:24] <Kelvin30001> Hello everyone.  I know you must not ask for support on a creative page.
[21:43] <kevin3005> How is everybody today?
[23:13] <studiobot> <Yana Suryana> How about acessible on


[19:13] <xnox> cjwatson: ogra_`: stgraber: anyone else =) chiluk is trying to get automatic preseeding working on a strange server that fails to finish the install unattended. He is poking a few things at the moment, but if he gets stuck, please help him out if you can =)
[19:14] <xnox> infinity: ^
[19:14]  * xnox got to run.


[01:47] <imbrandon>                                                     nah its for real
[01:47] <imbrandon> heh


[04:47] <rww> elky: can you do the royal blessing at the two cloak requests above (rafaellaguna and Ms_Angel_D), please?
[04:48] <elky> rww neither are online, one needs to be aware her _s will go, and i can't add them to the lp list until the moment that they get cloaked and not before.
[04:48] <elky> Don't particularly feel like being scolded for that today.
[04:48] <rww> ah, fun times. nvm then
[04:48] <elky> yeah. welcome to why this is not working.
[04:54] <IdleOne> elky: would it be possible to add some "special" GC's for the purpose of approving cloaks?
[04:55] <IdleOne> for those times when ircc isn't around
[04:55] <rww> IdleOne: as I mentioned earlier, no
[04:56] <IdleOne> no because of freenode policy?
[04:56] <rww> IdleOne: Nod. I inquired of freenode staff. You don't get any more GCs :P
[04:56] <IdleOne> ah, didn't see you say that earlier
[04:57] <IdleOne> oh well
[05:01] <elky> IdleOne, no, we need the resident staff here able to play with the LP team. That's all.
[05:02] <elky> the gc part isn't the issue. the paperwork is.
[13:36] <jonathanh> Hi
[13:37] <jonathanh> I want to recover my IRC nick because i forgot the password, Is this channel relevant to this?
[13:38] <k1l_> jonathanh: try in #freenode
[13:38] <jonathanh> thanks
[16:46] <ubot2`> gusnan called the ops in #ubuntu-se ()


[13:37] <nhandler> Hi, I would like to request an irc cloak for a bot I created. The name of the bot is VoteBot. It is used in the #ubuntuforums-beginners channel.
[13:48] <jussi01> nhandler: I dont think it can get an ubuntu cloak, but you can get an unaffiliated cloak in #freenode
[13:50] <nhandler> jussi01, I don't care about the ubuntu cloak. An unaffiliated cloak is fine. I thought I had read that I should go to #ubuntu-irc for those cloaks as well, but I guess I was wrong. I'll try #freenode. Thanks
[13:50] <jussi01> :)
[15:56] <LetsGo67> cdg is misbehaving in #ubuntu-es
[15:57] <jussi01> LetsGo67: have you used the !ops trigger? (if they have one?)
[15:58] <LetsGo67> They don't.
[15:59] <jussi01> LetsGo67: are you sure? I would give it  a try anyway
[16:00] <erUSUL> jussi01: our bot is MIA
[16:01] <jussi01> erUSUL: ahh, any idea when its back?
[16:02] <jussi01> erUSUL: btw, is the situation sorted now?
[16:02] <erUSUL> jussi01: yep
[16:03] <jussi01> erUSUL: I canhave ubottu join temporarily, but I nee to know that your bot will be back at sometime in the near future
[16:03] <erUSUL> jussi01: we have been coping without the bot for some time so no worries
[16:04] <LetsGo67> erUSUL: por qué el bot es bajo?
[16:04] <LetsGo67> *esta* bajo?
[16:07] <e-jat> jussi01, can i pm u?
[19:54] <nealmcb> can we get ubottu in #ubuntu-us-co?
[19:54] <nalioth> no
[19:55] <nealmcb> nalioth: what are the alternatives? are there capacity issues?  plans for the future?
[19:58] <nealmcb> thanks for ubot3.  when does it sync with the ubottu factoids?
[20:00] <nalioth> hourly
[20:00] <nealmcb> !kvm
[20:00] <nealmcb> hmm - kvm has been in ubottu for perhaps a week, but not in ubot3
[20:03] <nalioth> that is a bug, nealmcb
[20:03] <nalioth> let me look into it
[20:03] <nealmcb> nalioth: many thanks again!
[23:35] <anka-ar> hi
[23:36] <anka-ar> nalioth: !!
[23:36] <nalioth> hi
[23:36] <anka-ar> nalioth: de ubu-es
[23:37] <nalioth> anka-ar: yes?
[23:37] <anka-ar> perdona que moleste, pero, hoy baneaste creo a un par de molestos por rango de i
[23:37] <anka-ar> ip*
[23:38] <anka-ar> y justo que la estaban molestando a vero cayo ella en el ban porque esta dentro de ese rango
[23:38] <anka-ar> no se puede hacer algo?
[23:38] <nalioth> ok
[23:38] <anka-ar> :(
[23:38] <anka-ar> porque no puede entrar
[23:39] <nalioth> mira el #ubuntu-es  :)
[23:39] <anka-ar> gracias ^_^
[23:40] <nalioth> de nada  :)
[23:40] <RoAkSoAx> nalioth: what happened in #ubuntu-es ?
[23:41] <nalioth> clone flooder
[23:41] <RoAkSoAx> i see...
[23:42] <[NikO]> +rR ?
[23:43] <anka-ar> thanks vero1 is in ubuntu-es, bye
[23:43] <anka-ar> :)


[00:40] <jrwren> tick tock
[00:58] <gamerchick02> 2 minutes and look i'm still here
[01:00] <cmaloney> hello all
[01:00] <cmaloney> Who all is here?
[01:00] <gamerchick02> howdy cmaloney
[01:00] <monkeyjuice> here
[01:00] <gamerchick02> i'm actually here. hah
[01:01] <cmaloney> Woo woo
[01:01] <gamerchick02> i'm watching Silk too so if 'm slow… :)
[01:01] <cmaloney> Agenda for the meeting is here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/519/detail/
[01:01] <cmaloney> Thanks to everyone for coming out on this Labor Day weekend. :)
[01:02] <gamerchick02> eh, i was already here. missed RR so i figured i'd make it to this meeting.
[01:02] <gamerchick02> :)
[01:03] <cmaloney> Oh, let's get started then
[01:03] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/519/agenda/1697/update/
[01:03] <cmaloney> yeah Verification
[01:04] <cmaloney> As expected, there has been a change in what used to be called the approval process for loco teams
[01:05] <cmaloney> We previously decided that the old model was pretty resource intensive, and thus decided not to go through with it an dlet our approval status lapse.
[01:05] <gamerchick02> ok
[01:05] <cmaloney> With this new change, it doesn't appear that it'll take much to keep verified status
[01:05] <cmaloney> Should we go through with verification?
[01:06] <cmaloney> I'd like to hear if anyone has any sentiments they'd like to share about this
[01:06] <cmaloney> My personal feeling is it's still a little much to do for verification, but I think it would be worth the effort
[01:07] <gamerchick02> i think it should be fine. sorry was reading hte link you provied.
[01:08] <gamerchick02> *the, i can't type tonight
[01:09] <cmaloney> The only problem is I can't find the previous bug that we had for reapprovlal
[01:09] <gamerchick02> we had a bug for that? sorry i've not been here in awhile. i'm sorry
[01:09] <cmaloney> so I'll have to check with the loco council to see what we'll need to do t omake it happen
[01:09] <cmaloney> It was a private bug
[01:10] <gamerchick02> ok
[01:10] <cmaloney> I'm not sure who had access to it
[01:12] <cmaloney> any dissenting opinions?
[01:12] <gamerchick02> i don't think i did but it doesn't matter.
[01:13] <cmaloney> ok. if someone doesn't want us to go through with verification, please let me know and we'll discuss
[01:13] <cmaloney> our approval bug had until October, so there is still time
[01:14] <gamerchick02> what's the advantage of going through it or not?
[01:14] <gamerchick02> or disadvantage?
[01:14] <cmaloney> iit makes getting things from Canonical easier
[01:14] <cmaloney> that's about it
[01:15] <gamerchick02> then let's be verified. *shrug*
[01:15] <cmaloney> Yeah, previously it was quite the ordeal
[01:15] <cmaloney> felt more like an inquisition
[01:16] <gamerchick02> "nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!"
[01:16] <cmaloney> Or like some Egyptian god was weighing your hear to see if you were worthy
[01:17] <gamerchick02> yeah! sorry, whenever i hear that word i think of Monty Python.
[01:17] <cmaloney> I don't think anyone in this channel didn't think that way. :)
[01:17] <gamerchick02> :)
[01:18] <cmaloney> Anywho, moving on
[01:18] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/519/agenda/1698/update/
[01:19] <cmaloney> Who all is going to Ohio Linuxfest?
[01:19] <cmaloney> I know Jorge is
[01:19] <cmaloney> I know rick_h and I aren't
[01:19] <gamerchick02> i'm probably not.
[01:19] <cmaloney> along with waldo323
[01:20] <cmaloney> Yeah, I don't think we're going to have much participation then
[01:20] <gamerchick02> sorry but work. :(
[01:20] <gamerchick02> also i have nobody to stay with.
[01:20] <cmaloney> If someone is going, please contact the Ohio Loco (Steve Kellat) and see if there's something we can do to help
[01:20] <cmaloney> that said, I think it's going to be pretty light this year.
[01:20] <cmaloney> However, that brings us to the next part:
[01:21] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/519/agenda/1696/update/
[01:21] <cmaloney> Ubuntu S-Series Global Jam
[01:21] <cmaloney> Last time we were able to do this all remotely
[01:21] <gamerchick02> S-series?
[01:21] <cmaloney> And I think that trend will continue
[01:21] <cmaloney> yeah, we're up to 13.10 (Saucy Salamander, i think)
[01:22] <gamerchick02> derp. sorry!
[01:22] <cmaloney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/community-announce/2013-March/000004.html
[01:22] <gamerchick02> i'll try to be on in the evening but my job blocks like everything so no irc during business hours
[01:22] <gamerchick02> danke
[01:24] <cmaloney> That's quite alright. It'll be pretty much on from Friday to Sunday
[01:24] <cmaloney> as before, if you're looking to jam, just hop onto IRC and say "I'm jamming" and see if anyone else might be jamming
[01:25] <cmaloney> Hopefulyl we can get a little more folks involved.
[01:25] <gamerchick02> sweet. i'll see if i'm free.
[01:25] <cmaloney> I'll also make sure to drop it on the calendar
[01:26] <gamerchick02> awesome. i'll make sure my main machine is logged into irc and i'll hang in the room
[01:27] <cmaloney> OK
[01:28] <cmaloney> That brings us to the release party
[01:28] <cmaloney> James Hice was looking into places for that
[01:28] <cmaloney> So, more to come, as he's not around at the moment
[01:29] <cmaloney> That's likely to happen in October, and is one of the times that we can get together to celebrate
[01:29] <gamerchick02> sounds like fun. i really wanted to go to the last one but my friend's baby shower was that weekend. i promised i'd go. :(
[01:29] <cmaloney> Which leads me up to the last item on the the list
[01:29] <cmaloney> jcastro had an idea for getting together at the end of summer / beginning of fall to have a cook-out
[01:29] <cmaloney> Which sounds awesome
[01:29] <gamerchick02> it does.
[01:30] <cmaloney> For some reason he thinks it should be around Royal Oak.
[01:30] <gamerchick02> royal oak isn't too far from me.
[01:31] <gamerchick02> RE release party; i think i have something on oct 12th that i absolutely must attend for Nile. don't schedule round me but i can't be there if it's that weekend.
[01:31] <cmaloney> http://www.ci.royal-oak.mi.us/portal/departments/recreation/facility-and-pavilion-rentals
[01:32] <gamerchick02> my apartment complex in auburn hills also has a picnic area
[01:32] <gamerchick02> not sure what i have to do to reserve it but that's also a thought.
[01:33] <cmaloney> I'm a resident of Royal Ok, so I could rent it out
[01:33] <cmaloney> we'd need to agree on a date, and I could make the trek down to do the rental.
[01:33] <gamerchick02> nice
[01:33] <gamerchick02> you'd want reimbursment for the rental. and that's no problem for me to throw in $10 or so
[01:33] <cmaloney> That's no biggie.
[01:34] <gamerchick02> ok
[01:37] <cmaloney> Anywho, watch the mailing lists for more information
[01:37] <cmaloney> That's all I have for now. Anyone have anything else?
[01:37] <jrwren> nope
[01:37] <gamerchick02> i will have more time for bug triage. i've not contributed in a long time and i feel bad about that.
[01:41] <cmaloney> Yeah, I think life has become more hectic for all of us
[01:41] <cmaloney> There's currently a push to get the teams more "energized"
[01:41] <gamerchick02> mine has become less hectic, much to my disappointment.
[01:41] <gamerchick02> energized. there's a good word.
[01:41] <jrwren> i wonder if the lack of energy is because it isn't needed.
[01:42] <jrwren> ubuntu is damned good. is work needed?
[01:42] <gamerchick02> *shrug* i'm still employed and as busy as ever in Nile…
[01:42] <gamerchick02> that's a good point, jwren
[01:42] <gamerchick02> i look at things and i'm like "what can i contribute to this?"
[01:43] <cmaloney> jrwren: there's always something to be done
[01:43] <cmaloney> but frankly I couldn't care less about tablet or phone OS
[01:44] <cmaloney> That and I'm already falling behind and getting discouraged in things that I actually care about
[01:44] <gamerchick02> i'd like a simpler way to fix my ATI graphics drivers than "backup before kernel update and reinstall OS and drivers and programs"
[01:44] <gamerchick02> sorry to hear that, cmaloney.
[01:45] <cmaloney> It's my own apathy demons. :)
[01:45] <gamerchick02> personally? i think Android is "good enough" for a phone/tablet OS. not sure if ubuntu can compete with Android and ios.
[01:45] <gamerchick02> i have apathy demons. not to be confused with deamons. :-P
[01:46] <cmaloney> Anywho, if nothing else, I move we adjourn to the mailing lists. :)
[01:47] <gamerchick02> that works
[01:48] <cmaloney> Thanks everyone for taking the time out to meet!
[01:48] <cmaloney> Now go make something awesome
[01:48] <cmaloney> or at the very least, don't kill each other.
[01:48] <gamerchick02> i'm watching Silk. and going to the Ren Fair tomorrow. awesome will have to wait till Tuesday.
[01:49] <gamerchick02> and i'm going to Canada on Wednesday. :)
[01:54] <cmaloney> Fun times
[01:54] <cmaloney> OK, heading off for a while. Laterness.
[01:59] <gamerchick02> see you. so am i. :)
[10:52] <rick_h> cmaloney: hah, yea so we'll have to adjust the 50 point thing. It borked http://www.itnews.com.au/News/355204,why-paypal-chose-openstack.aspx
[11:34] <brousch> rick_h: breadable content in RSS is working with goread.io
[12:23] <rick_h> brousch: sweet
[12:23] <rick_h> brousch: released that last week
[12:57] <brousch> yeah. I hadn't tried it yet
[12:57] <rick_h> brousch: cool, well good to know it's better.
[13:14] <cmaloney> rick_h: figures.
[13:15] <rick_h> cmaloney: yea, the slide at the bottom is picked as the main content to display
[13:15] <cmaloney> ugh
[13:16] <cmaloney> did the previous version dothat too?
[13:16] <rick_h> https://codereview.appspot.com/13469043
[13:16] <rick_h> I don't think so
[16:05] <rick_h> jcastro: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/9653442379/sizes/l/ getting some love at company HQ
[21:56] <cmaloney> Evening
[21:56] <cmaloney> Just replaced my ATI card with an NVidia card
[21:56] <cmaloney> because ATI / AMD have pissed me off with their shit drivers for the last time for a while
[22:07] <brousch1> Intel or DIAF
[22:28] <cmaloney> brousch1: Intel can DIAF
[22:30] <cmaloney> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=high+performance+Intel+video+cards&l=1#seen
[22:32] <cmaloney> vs high performance nvidia graphics card
[22:32] <cmaloney> high performance ati graphics card
[23:00] <brousch1> Who needs high performance? You some kind of FPS gamer?
[23:00] <brousch1> I'd rather have a card that just works without fiddling


[03:10] <cmaloney> Evening
[03:19] <_stink_> yo
[03:19] <_stink_> cmaloney: you still live in RO?
[03:51] <cmaloney> No, we're in MH now
[03:52] <cmaloney> so still close-by but not under the auspices of the giant acorn
[03:52] <cmaloney> _stink_: ^^
[04:08] <_stink_> haha, ok
[04:09] <_stink_> i was just thinking about the election and got me wondering
[04:10] <cmaloney> I can see Royal Oak from my house.
[04:11] <cmaloney> if I get on the roof
[04:33] <_stink_> hah
[13:01] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:04] <brousch> yes
[13:50] <brousch> Oh weird. My BW Go DGS is missing a stone compared to the website
[14:51] <cmaloney> That's not cool
[14:57] <brousch> I tried to play to take advantage of the disparity and it told me "illegal move"
[14:57] <brousch> So the website is correct
[15:50] <brousch> cmaloney: http://xkcd.com/1443/
[17:51] <cmaloney> brousch: Why is that addressed to me? :)
[18:20] <brousch> Because you were complaining about my verbifying things a week or so ago
[21:32] <cmaloney> Afternoon and all that noise
[21:32] <greg-g> quiet day
[22:18] <cmaloney> Yeah, no rick_h == no chatter.
[22:19] <mrgoodcat> i can't help but feel like thats my fault
[23:14] <mrgoodcat> i'll get to pick his brain about LXD at CHC tonight though right?
[23:14] <cmaloney> I hope so
[23:17] <brousch> this win8 tablet is disturbingly nice
[23:19] <mrgoodcat> brousch: i like my win8 convertible
[23:19] <mrgoodcat> as much as i want to hate it
[23:24] <brousch> heh chrome in win8 mode looks like chromeos
[23:25] <mrgoodcat> chromeos is the bomb
[23:25] <mrgoodcat> minus everything that isn't web browsing
[23:26] <jrwren> chatter chatter
[23:26] <mrgoodcat> rabble rabble


[03:51] <stub> EdwinGrubbs: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~stub/launchpad/librarian-gc/+merge/12695 if you are still there.
[06:38] <al-maisan> Good morning!
[08:24] <noodles775> stub: hi! Just looking at your MP... would it be worth in addition creating a separate condition to log a warning for this situation where the file exists on disk but not in the db?
[08:26] <stub> That is actually normal - client.addFile(foo,...); transaction.abort() leaves a file on disk
[08:27] <noodles775> OK - I assumed that the transaction is only aborted in abnormal circumstances.
[08:27] <stub> Nah - anytime a web request needs to be retried after uploading a file for instance.
[08:27] <noodles775> k. great.
[08:47] <stub> noodles775: test_deleteUnwantedFiles_bug444 or test_delete_unwanted_files_bug444 ?
[08:47] <stub> noodles775: The former matches the existing test method names more closely, the latter is correct as the function being tested is called delete_unwanted_files()
[08:49] <noodles775> stub: according the the test style guide, I thought the method name should *match* the real method name...
[08:49] <stub> its a function being tested, not a method, and its name is delete_unwanted_files()
[08:50] <stub> I'd probably go for the latter option myself, which I think is correct per the guide, and stuff the existing naming in that file (circa 2005 IIRC)
[08:50] <noodles775> yep, so I'd use the latter too.
[08:50] <stub> k
[10:49] <allenap> noodles775: Fancy a simple branch? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/more-retest/+merge/12709
[10:49] <noodles775> allenap: sure thing!
[10:49] <allenap> noodles775: Thanks :)
[10:52] <thumper> deryck: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/inline-lifecycle-status-edit/+merge/12707
[11:04] <noodles775> allenap: nice - I hadn't seen takewhile before...
[11:04] <noodles775> allenap: on line 97, why are you converting to a set rather than a list?
[11:05] <noodles775> I mean, test output will not have duplicates...?
[11:05] <allenap> noodles775: If multiple test logs are passed in (one of the new features), this removes duplicates.
[11:05] <noodles775> allenap: then why not convert it back to a sorted list then and there?
[11:06] <noodles775> ie., so extract_tests returns a sorted list of unique tests?
[11:07] <noodles775> That's great that multiple logs can be used - and that it's now using a buildout template!
[11:07] <allenap> noodles775: I only want them sorted to display them prettily, otherwise a set is what I want. Not much in it really.
[11:07] <allenap> noodles775: As in, could be either a set or a list, but it happens to be a set because of de-duplication.
[11:07] <noodles775> oh, I didn't see the set features being used anywhere... looking again.
[11:07] <noodles775> Ah, gotcha. ok.
[11:10] <noodles775> allenap: great, r=me... just note, there's one reference to the old utilities/retest in the usage instructions.
[11:10] <noodles775> er, actually, two :)
[11:11] <allenap> noodles775: Ah, good spot, thanks :)
[12:19] <adeuring>  noodles775: could you please review a sequel of my last MP: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/hwdb-refactor-haldevice-2/+merge/12713 ?
[12:19] <noodles775> adeuring: ah great... I get to find out how the new HW character is introduced :)
[12:25] <mrevell> noodles775: I have a branch fixing the problems we discussed: https://code.launchpad.net/~matthew.revell/launchpad/bugs-439909-439267/+merge/12710
[12:26] <noodles775> mrevell: great, thanks for that!
[12:32] <noodles775> mrevell: doing yours first as it's tiny :), I was just checking to see if there were any tests that might check the url for the contact-us link...
[12:32] <noodles775> mrevell: and there aren't, but: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/282928/
[12:32] <noodles775> there's a few other places where we say 'Contact us' but send people to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:33] <noodles775> mrevell: I'll leave it up to you whether you think it's worthwhile making them consistent.
[12:33] <noodles775> mrevell: r=me
[12:33] <mrevell> noodles775: Yeah. The first of those, main-template, I believe is an over hang from the old design. I'll fix the other links. Thanks.
[12:34] <noodles775> Great.
[12:34] <noodles775> mrevell: and, of course, run it through ec2 first as there could be a test somewhere looking for the contact us url/href etc.
[12:36] <noodles775> mrevell: out of interest, did you find out what's behind the new version.txt file (ie. should it be updated automatically or at least as part of the rollout process?)
[12:37] <mrevell> noodles775: sinzui didn't know where it had come from, but I'm going to ask beuno. I'm assuming it'll need a manual update.
[12:39] <noodles775> hrm... well it was added with r9425 fwiw - check the commit msg there for more details.
[12:43] <noodles775> adeuring: gee, that's an unfortunate diff...
[12:43] <adeuring> noodles775: why?
[12:44] <noodles775> adeuring: Nothing wrong with your code, I jut meant the huge segment of HALDevice that diff has assumed has been deleted and added.
[12:45] <adeuring> noodles775: Ah, OK.
[12:46] <noodles775> adeuring: r=me
[12:46] <adeuring> noodles775: thanks!
[12:48] <noodles775> adeuring: did you try using the revision spec '-r x..y' with bzr send so that the colour-coded diff on the mp is just the revisions you want? If not, might be good for the third installment :)
[12:49] <adeuring> noodles775: I wasn't aware of that option. Thanks for the hint!
[12:49] <noodles775> great, np!
[13:10] <maxb> Is that bzr send -r ---> MP thing documented anywhere?
[13:14] <noodles775> maxb: bzr help send
[13:14] <beuno> maxb, https://help.launchpad.net/Code/ReviewEmail%20interface
[13:14] <noodles775> at least, that documents that the option exists :)
[13:14] <noodles775> ah, even better.
[15:18] <henninge> Hi! I want to use a TAL formatter in a view and I found out I can do it this way: https://pastebin.canonical.com/22831/
[15:19] <henninge> Is that the right way to do it? Or should I go through the registration somehow? I remember seeing an example once that was different ...
[15:19] <henninge> jtv: ^
[16:31]  * noodles775 finishes reviewing for the day.
[16:44] <barry> noodles775: dang!
[16:45] <barry> is anybody available to review a 279 line diff?
[16:45] <noodles775> barry: there should be some others around soon... :)
[16:46] <barry> noodles775: i guess not cprov-afk though :(
[16:46]  * barry waits for rockstar and leonardr
[16:46] <rockstar> barry, leonardr doesn't have a OCR day.
[16:47] <leonardr> but, barry, if you want me to review something specific, i can
[16:47] <barry> leonardr: no? you're listed on https://dev.launchpad.net/ReviewerSchedule
[16:48] <barry> rockstar, leonardr it's xmlrpc and mailman.  don't fight over it :)
[16:48]  * rockstar yells "Not it!"
[16:48] <rockstar> :)
[16:48] <barry> :-D
[16:48] <rockstar> barry, I'll take it.
[16:48] <barry> rockstar: thanks!  sending the mp now
[16:49] <leonardr> barry: that wiki page is probably from when i was being mentored
[16:50] <barry> leonardr: right.  you're not doing ocr anymore?  do you want to remove your name from that list?  or ic an do it.
[16:50] <leonardr> barry: i'm doing it now
[16:51] <leonardr> (removing my name--i'm not doing ocr, i went through mentoring because it was ridiculous to review lazr.* branches and then have to get someone else to do a 'real' review)
[17:13] <barry> leonardr: sounds good.  rockstar sorry for the delay.  was otp.  finishing up the mp now
[17:14] <rockstar> barry, yeah, I just looked for your proposal and couldn't find it.  Was about to bug you.
[17:25] <barry> rockstar: sent
[17:32] <bac> rockstar: can i add a MP to your queue?
[17:32] <rockstar> bac, sure.
[17:32] <bac> rockstar: cool, still waiting for it to show up
[17:35] <rockstar> barry, did you request me as reviewer?
[17:35] <barry> rockstar: oops
[17:36] <barry> rockstar: done now
[17:36] <rockstar> barry, I don't see it on lp reviews either.
[17:36] <barry> rockstar: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~barry/launchpad/403606-expat/+merge/12734
[17:42] <bac> rockstar: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/bug-422128/+merge/12735
[17:42] <rockstar> bac, cool, thanks.
[17:47] <rockstar> barry, I really only have one comment, and it's a nitpick really.
[17:47] <bac> rockstar: i need to go get a samwich.  you ok with me being awol a bit?
[17:47] <rockstar> barry, you use "Binarys" on line 59 of the diff.  I realize Binary is a class name, but it still looks funny.
[17:48] <barry> rockstar: how about Binary's ? (kind of still icky)
[17:48] <rockstar> bac, if you're not here when I get to it, I'll note my questions in the MP and you can address them when you get back.
[17:49] <bac> rockstar: that is a sensible plan of action.  see you in a bit.
[17:49] <rockstar> barry, even worse.  Bad apostrophe.  Maybe "Binary instances" or something.
[17:49] <barry> rockstar: i like that!
[17:49] <rockstar> I mean, it could probably stay as it...
[17:49] <barry> easy to change
[17:52] <rockstar> barry, other than that, it seems sane to me.
[17:53] <barry> rockstar: thanks!
[18:41] <abentley> rockstar: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/bzr-2.0.0-lp-1/+merge/12738 ?
[18:42] <rockstar> abentley, yessiree
[18:42] <abentley> rockstar: Thanks.
[18:43] <rockstar> abentley, I'm assuming the actual source has landed in download-cache?
[18:44] <abentley> rockstar: Yes.  There's not much involved in that.  Commit, push, wait.
[18:44] <rockstar> abentley, alright, r=me
[18:45] <abentley> rockstar: Thanks.
[18:46] <abentley> rockstar: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/diffstat-count/+merge/12720 ?
[18:46] <bac> thanks rockstar.
[18:46] <rockstar> bac, you are welcome.
[18:53] <rockstar> abentley, looks good.  r=me
[18:54] <abentley> rockstar: Thanks.
[18:54] <abentley> rockstar: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/move-linked-bugs/+merge/12736 ?
[18:55] <rockstar> abentley, it doesn't look like you need the yui-u div around source revisions now.
[18:56] <abentley> rockstar: quite possible.  It's all cargo-culted.
[18:56] <rockstar> abentley, yeah, I figured.
[19:02] <rockstar> abentley, so, source-revisions should be wrapped in a yui-g, but that's it.
[19:04] <rockstar> abentley, other than that, r=me.
[19:04] <abentley> rockstar: I'm confused.  Change the u to a g?
[19:05] <rockstar> abentley, yea, and remove the first, or that may result in weirdness.
[19:06] <rockstar> abentley, yui-g is a row, yui-u is a column
[19:07] <abentley> rockstar: I miss tables.
[19:07] <abentley> So do this and I can land it? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/283191/
[19:08] <rockstar> abentley, yeah.  Take a look at what the page looks like, but basically, yes, do that.
[19:09] <abentley> rockstar: Oh great, now I have to push some branches to launchpad.dev
[19:10] <rockstar> abentley, I just use the factory to make fake revisions.
[19:11] <rockstar> Oh wait, that won't work for BMPs though, I don't think.
[19:41] <rockstar> My computer hard locked a bit ago, so if someone was asking for a review, I haven't seen it.  Please repost.
[19:54] <rockstar> Okay, so, I have to say this again just in case I missed something when my system locked again.  Did anyone request a review from me?
[19:54] <rockstar> Also, desktop effects suck.
[20:29] <leonardr> rockstar, can you do a quick review of https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/launchpadlib/release/+merge/12746 ?
[20:29] <rockstar> leonardr, sure.


[01:28] <belkinsa> To make Peter happy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community-website/+bug/1329572
[01:28] <belkinsa> and shaunm, have fun at the OHC.
[01:50] <shaunm> belkinsa: thanks
[01:50] <shaunm> you're missing out on a great reception downtown tomorrow