[09:56] <nandemonai> Hiya guys.. I have a question and subsequent bug.. Core2Duo/Asus P5b. Essentially with the last batch of updates, namely the kernel version 2.6.22-12 the system has gone ahead and chosen to grab both the generic and i386 versions, defaulting to i386 where previously it was all generic kernels. Question being why has it gone and done that? Bug being that Sound as expected works with the generic version like it had bee
[09:56] <nandemonai> n before where as when using the i386 kern version it's not picked up at all.
[09:57] <nandemonai> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[09:57] <nandemonai> Odd no?
[09:57] <_StefanS_> nandemonai: maybe some modules arent included by mistake in the latest kernel updates
[09:57] <Aondo> after this latest kernel update, it seems like my usb audio device got priority over my pci card. which is normaly not the case
[09:58] <branstrom> http://npw.net/2007/05/17/vmware-workstation-60-on-linux-2622/ Had to replace vmnet.tar with that one to make vmware-config.pl work
[09:58] <branstrom> _StefanS_
[09:58] <nandemonai> _StefanS_: Hmm ok that's a good point. I'll check that out.
[09:58] <_StefanS_> branstrom: well thats not needed anymore, and that is another way to fix the same problem I had.
[09:58] <_StefanS_> branstrom: so grab the latest, and it just works.
[09:58] <branstrom> _StefanS_: yup...
[09:59] <_StefanS_> uhm gotta put the screws back into my machine, just reseated the cpu
[10:02] <ConstyXIV> branstrom: you'll need to run the vmware-config.pl again
[10:02] <ConstyXIV> oops
[10:02] <ConstyXIV> that's what i get for scrolling
[10:02] <branstrom> I did.
[10:02] <branstrom> :)
[10:03] <branstrom> But thanks anyways :)
[10:09] <LjL> what is  Processing triggers for libc6 ... \n ldconfig deferred processing now taking place  ? it happens at just about every apt-get operation in gutsy, didn't in feisty
[10:11] <rathel> How do you make something startup in another desktop, like I want evolution to start up on Desktop #6.
[10:12] <jerbear> does anyone know what version of vim is in gutsy? (patch numbers, as well)
[10:14] <CountX> VIM - Vi IMproved 7.1 (2007 May 12, compiled Aug 28 2007 18:07:28)
[10:14] <CountX> Included patches: 1-56
[10:14] <CountX> Compiled by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:14] <CountX> Small version without GUI.  Features included (+) or not (-):
[10:14] <CountX> -arabic -autocmd -balloon_eval -browse +builtin_terms -byte_offset -cindent
[10:14] <CountX> -clientserver -clipboard -cmdline_compl +cmdline_hist -cmdline_info -comments
[10:15] <CountX> -cryptv -cscope -cursorshape -dialog -diff -digraphs -dnd -ebcdic -emacs_tags
[10:15] <CountX> -eval -ex_extra -extra_search -farsi -file_in_path -find_in_path -folding
[10:15] <CountX> -footer +fork() -gettext -hangul_input +iconv -insert_expand +jumplist -keymap
[10:15] <CountX> -langmap -libcall -linebreak -lispindent -listcmds -localmap -menu -mksession
[10:15] <CountX> -modify_fname -mouse -mouse_dec -mouse_gpm -mouse_jsbterm -mouse_netterm
[10:15] <CountX> -mouse_xterm +multi_byte -multi_lang -mzscheme -netbeans_intg -osfiletype
[10:15] <CountX> -path_extra -perl -printer -profile -python -quickfix -reltime -rightleft -ruby
[10:15] <CountX>  -scrollbind -signs -smartindent -sniff -statusline -sun_workshop -syntax
[10:15] <CountX> -tag_binary -tag_old_static -tag_any_white -tcl +terminfo -termresponse
[10:15] <CountX> -textobjects -title -toolbar -user_commands -vertsplit -virtualedit +visual
[10:15] <CountX> -visualextra -viminfo -vreplace +wildignore -wildmenu +windows +writebackup
[10:15] <CountX> -X11 +xfontset -xim -xsmp -xterm_clipboard -xterm_save
[10:15] <CountX>    system vimrc file: "$VIM/vimrc"
[10:15] <CountX>      user vimrc file: "$HOME/.vimrc"
[10:15] <CountX>       user exrc file: "$HOME/.exrc"
[10:15] <CountX>   fall-back for $VIM: "/usr/share/vim"
[10:15] <CountX> Compilation: gcc -c -I. -Iproto -DHAVE_CONFIG_H     -O2 -g -Wall
[10:15] <CountX> Linking: gcc   -L/usr/local/lib -o vim    -lncurses
[10:16] <jussi01> !paste | CountX
[10:16] <ubotu> CountX: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:19] <ibbuntu> my networking has completely gone. It started with my wireless after the kernel upgrade from 2.6.22-10 to 2.6.22-11, I rolled back to 2.6.22-10 and it worked fine. I decided to try using the restricted drivers manager in 2.6.22-11 to get it working there, and that worked, except that I needed to disable it and enable it every time I restarted to get it working. It crashed doing that once and then on reboot that techniqu
[10:19] <jerbear> CountX: thanks
[10:19] <ibbuntu> Also note that this was a problem in Gutsy originally, but now I can't get networking in my Feisty installation either
[10:20] <jerbear> ibbuntu: do you use a router?
[10:21] <ibbuntu> jerbear: I use a BT Home Broadband wireless router, however I presume that is irrelevant as it is both my network interfaces, wireless and ethernet (which I don't use), which are not working
[10:22] <jerbear> ibbuntu: either way, have you verified that bypassing the router does not work, as well?
[10:25] <ibbuntu> jerbear: that's not possible on 2 accounts, 1 it is a cable modem with wireless in-built and 2 I don't have an ethernet cable long enough (I am in a shared house, the router is upstairs and I am downstairs). My feeling that it is irrelevant is due to the fact that even when my wireless wasn't working I still had an entry in my System->Administration->Network in the Connections tab for my ethernet, that is no longer ther
[10:26] <jerbear> ibbuntu: have you made any administrative changes to the box?
[10:28] <rathel> How do you make something startup in another desktop, like I want evolution to start up on Desktop #6.
[10:29] <jerbear> rathel: i think the best way to do that is with devilspie
[10:29] <ibbuntu> jerbear: I have made hardware changes, but no software changes. I was having problems with it getting stuck at start-up, the CD drives were constantly spinning up and it wasn't starting. I decided I m ight need a new power supply, so I got one. This worked once and then the comp crashed after which it wouldn't start. I replaced the old power supply and it went back to normal for a while, until this.
[10:29] <Do``> hey
[10:29] <rathel> jerbear, Okay, I'll give it a try, thanks.
[10:30] <Do``> the latest version of opera seems to be crashing for whatever reasons, and it left a couple of 'untitled window's on the gnome panel.. how can i get rid of them?
[10:30] <jerbear> ibbuntu: yikes... does not sound like an OS problem... sounds like something is physically wrong with your machine
[10:30] <maccam94> is there documentation anywhere or does anyone have information on the blacklist of video cards for desktop effects?
[10:31] <ibbuntu> yes, I was hoping that that wouldn't be the conclusion
[10:31] <ibbuntu> is there any way to do diagnose it?
[10:31] <jerbear> ibbuntu: yes, buy another nic and see if it recognizes it ;)
[10:31] <maccam94> my intel 965 card is blacklisted, but when i force the blacklist to be ignored it seems to work fine (although I've heard it can't do water effects or motion blur)
[10:32] <_sidd> ibbuntu: do your devices show up in an lspci listing...
[10:33] <ibbuntu> _sidd: lspci shows my wireless card: 02:10.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Uknown device 4308 (rev 02)
[10:33] <_sidd> ibbuntu, if they do, then do you have the appropriate drivers installed... and do they load correctly.
[10:33] <jerbear> ibbuntu: i'm assuming you have 2 cards... one wireless, one wired?
[10:34] <ibbuntu> jerbear: I have one wireless PCI and one wired in-built on the motherboard
[10:34] <_sidd> ibbuntu... so the system can see the hardware, now you need to check if the driver for the card is loading correctly.
[10:34] <_sidd> ibbuntu, which driver do you use?
[10:35] <ibbuntu> _sidd: the problem is that I could install the restricted broadcom driver using the restricted drivers gui, however I can no longer do that as it isn't seeing my network interfaces at all
[10:35] <jerbear> ibbuntu: does dmesg show any info related to the card?
[10:35] <ibbuntu> just checking dmesg now
[10:35] <jerbear> i think lspci should show the hardware, regardless of the driver
[10:35] <jerbear> ... presence of the driver, rather
[10:36] <ReL1K> anyone got issues when they copy and paste it spits out some japanese characters?
[10:36] <jerbear> ReL1K: what's your locale?
[10:41] <ibbuntu> I have a few messages about PCI saying "cannot allocate resource region 0 of device 0000:02:10.0", and a few messages saying "ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A]  (and similar) -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 17" and a long list of "ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout ... some hex stuff ...". I can't see anything else that might be relevant. Obviously not on my comp here so can't really cut 'n' paste.
[10:41] <ibbuntu> lspci
[10:41] <ibbuntu> oops
[10:42] <jerbear> do you have another machine you can plug the nic card into? to test
[10:43] <ReL1K> jerbear, sorry how do i look at that?
[10:43] <jerbear> ReL1K: run "locale" from the command line
[10:44] <ReL1K> all en_US
[10:44] <jerbear> ReL1K: what exactly are you doing when this happens?
[10:44] <ReL1K> copy it from anywhere, could be a shell, from mozilla, anything, and go to paste it
[10:45] <ReL1K> ill copy the english
[10:45] <ReL1K> and it pastes out some japanese
[10:45] <ibbuntu> jerbear: afraid not. I have tested my comp without the NIC card in to see if I get back my on board wired connection in the Network manager, which I don't, which makes me suspect the problem is independent of the NIC card. The other peice of evidence is that I have had it working once since it broke, randomly after one reboot, and it's since broken again and reboots no longer help.
[10:45] <ReL1K> if i copy from virtualbox though and paste
[10:45] <ReL1K> works fine
[10:45] <ReL1K> and only happens every so often
[10:46] <ibbuntu> is there any way to find out about my on board wired connection, similar to lspci or lsusb?
[10:46] <jerbear> ibbuntu: wait, you said it was an integrated nic... so you really have no way to verify that it is the problem short of swapping out your mobo
[10:47] <Do``> the latest version of opera seems to be crashing for whatever reasons, and it left a couple of 'untitled window's on the gnome panel.. how can i get rid of them?
[10:47] <jerbear> ReL1K: is it actually like kanji?
[10:47] <ibbuntu> jerbear: I have an integrated wired connection and a PCI wireless card
[10:47] <_sidd> ibbuntu, even the integrated NIC should show up in the lspci listing (I believe).
[10:48] <jerbear> ibbuntu: if it doesn't show up in lspci, it essentially doesn't exist (correct me if i'm wrong)
[10:48] <ReL1K> jerbear yea, weird symbols and everything
[10:48] <jerbear> ReL1K: can you take a screenshot and post it somewhere?
[10:48] <ReL1K> sure
[10:49] <ReL1K> will take a bit, its random
[10:50] <jerbear> ibbuntu: which leads me to believe that there is something wrong with that part.... didn't you say that you were seeing issues with other parts of the computer? could the mobo be the root cause here?
[10:50] <nicolah> what about an unofficial wiki to upgrade from feisty to gutsy ?
[10:51] <ibbuntu> ok the only thing I don't recognise is "ISA bridge: ALi corporation unknown device 1575" it does see "02:10.0 Network Controller: Broadcom Corporation Unknown device 4308". This is weird, as I'm sure I have done lspci before and it identified my wireless card as "Broadcom Corporation Airforce G ... or something", so for some reason it isn't recognising my NICs.
[10:52] <ibbuntu> I wanted to rule out all other possibilities before blaming my motherboard
[10:52] <ibbuntu> but if the conclusion is that my motherboard is the problem, then I guess I may have to bite the bullet and get a new one
[10:52] <maccam94> ibbuntu: try running sudo update-pciids and then lspci
[10:53] <jerbear> ibbuntu: i'm not telling you to buy another mobo, just giving you some things to consider
[10:54] <Asad2005> I have an Opetron CPU and in synaptic it shows that installed kernel is i386 and generic, is it safe to remove i386 kernel from synaptic and leave only generic
[10:54] <ibbuntu> maccam94: without any network that fails, I could try and get the file manually and use my usb stick to move it across, but that will take some time
[10:54] <maccam94> ibbuntu: ah, i didn't check the convo from above
[10:55] <maccam94> ibbuntu: i do know that broadcom 43xx cards are wifi cards for sure
[10:56] <ibbuntu> jerbear: thanks, I've already considered my mobo being the problem, and it would make some sense, but as I said, I am trying to rule out all other possibilities first
[10:56] <edgy> Hi, I installed gutsy. Does it has any problem with gmail? I cannot download the messages to kmail. It said password wrong!!
[10:56] <edgy> I am sure it's the correct password
[10:57] <jerbear> ibbuntu: that's cool. good luck with it
[10:57] <_sidd> ibbuntu, I use my broadcom wireless card with driverloader from http://www.linuxant.com
[11:00] <ibbuntu> maccam94 and _sidd: I've had it working for around 6 months perfectly, with several different methods including the linuxant solution. I'm used to it requiring different techniques to get it working. However, now both my wireless broadcom and my integrated wired connection are not being detected in Gutsy, kernel 2.6.22-12 or 2.6.22-10 or even my Feisty installation, which worries me
[11:01] <edgy> Can any one help me configure the restricted manager to see my wlan?
[11:03] <ibbuntu> I am used to always being able to roll back, or go to Feisty where I know I have it working, now I have this problem across the board
[11:04] <_sidd> ibbuntu... in that case it could be a hardware problem.
[11:04] <lymeca> I just installed gutsy on my Dell Inspiron E1505 laptop and I may have selected a resolution that was too large for my screen during installation.
[11:04] <lymeca> It installed great
[11:05] <lymeca> I rebooted off the hard drive and just get a black screen
[11:05] <_sidd> edgy, which wireless card do you have?
[11:05] <ibbuntu> _sidd: that's what I'm guessing, so would a problem with my integrated NIC cause a problem with my seperate PCI wireless NIC?
[11:06] <ibbuntu> I just want to find some way of diagnosing the problem before I go out and buy a new motherboard
[11:06] <ibbuntu> or whatever it requires
[11:06] <_sidd> ibbuntu, I couldn't say... with hardware problems it's really hard to say.
[11:06] <ibbuntu> _sidd: fair enough, thanks for your help
[11:06] <lymeca> I can see GRUB just fine
[11:06] <lymeca> But after GRUB it just goes black
[11:07] <lymeca> and nothing more happens on the screen
[11:07] <_sidd> ibbuntu: np.
[11:07] <the9a3eedi> Question: is Tribe 5 the last beta release before the final stable version?
[11:08] <_dan_>  Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[11:09] <kurros> so that'd be a yes :)
[11:09] <kurros> aside from the RC
[11:09] <kurros> yay
[11:10] <kurros> i wonder what had happened to tribe 6
[11:10] <rsk> kurros: canceled
[11:10] <kurros> wondered that is
[11:10] <the9a3eedi> I see.. thanks _dan_ and kurros
[11:10] <kurros> yeah i just saw the announcement mail
[11:10] <tormod> don't forget the beta
[11:12] <mirak> I have a .Wav file with glitches, and conversion to flac fails. Do you have any idea how to repair it
[11:14] <martalli> kurros: Tribe 6 was cancelled: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-September/000337.html
[11:15] <ibbuntu> ok to everyone just helping me, I had a brainwave and tried to boot to recovery mode. I ran lspci and got "02:10.0 Network Controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [Airforce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)" which is what I'm used to seeing which is promising, any way I can check my network from the console?
[11:16] <ibbuntu> oh and I also got "Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 19)" which wasn't there before
[11:17] <Pici> hm... why is emerald taking over my window decorations?
[11:17] <_sidd> ibbuntu: that is promising.
[11:17] <ibbuntu> I'm hoping this might mean that it's not a hardware problem (unless I just got lucky and the hardware randomly started working on this reboot)
[11:19] <ibbuntu> I'm stuck about what to do next
[11:20] <_sidd> ibbuntu: Try a few reboots to make sure that your hardware is indeed being discovered correctly and consistently in recovery mode.
[11:20] <Assid> heya
[11:21] <ibbuntu> good idea
[11:21] <Assid> err im just trying to install gutsy daily build around 2 days or so ago
[11:22] <Assid> its not detecting my atheros L1 gigabit onboard ethernet
[11:23] <Assid> anyone?
[11:23] <maccam94> lsmod? lspci? dmesg?
[11:23] <Assid> doesnt detect while installing
[11:23] <lymeca> X11 doesn't work
[11:23] <LjL> how come that in Kubuntu, even if i unselect "User list" from the KDM preferences, i'm still shown a user list? i'd rather just type in my username.
[11:25] <lymeca> My display needs 1680x1050 and NOTHING shows on the screen after GRUB after a fresh gutsy install
[11:25] <ibbuntu> _sidd: ok after another 3 reboots the hardware has been detected successfully every time
[11:25] <lymeca> Why can't I even go to a terminal and modify xorg.conf there?
[11:25] <knix> I thought the subpixel changes were reverted
[11:26] <_sidd> ibbuntu, so the question is... why isn't it workibng in non-recovery mode.
[11:27] <ibbuntu> _sidd: indeed, I'm booting back to normal mode to see if booting to recovery mode reset some vital thing (I'm clutching at straws here)
[11:27] <_sidd> ibbuntu, can write down the PCI ID of the gigabit ethernet card (as found in the recovery mode), and then reboot into regular mode and see what gets listed for that PCI ID?
[11:29] <ReL1K> hmmm new wpasupplicant fix, does that fix the wpa2 reconnection issues?
[11:31] <_sidd> lymeca: try booting from a live CD and then look at the contents of xorg.conf
[11:32] <thompa> i can get any dvds to play anymore, ive tried everything. reinstalling codecs and multi-media apps
[11:32] <ibbuntu> _sidd: sorry got ahead of you a bit, both NIC cards are now working in Normal mode but I can't see my home network with my wireless card. I will try what you suggested now.
[11:32] <thompa> im getting dvd nav errors
[11:33] <ibbuntu> _sidd: sorry how do I find my PCI ID?
[11:33] <SpudDogg> man, gutsy is awesome.
[11:34] <ibbuntu> is it the 00:xx.x ?
[11:34] <thompa> can someone help me with opening dvds im at wits end
[11:34] <SpudDogg> !dvd
[11:34] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:34] <thompa> ive done all that
[11:34] <thompa> thanks
[11:34] <thompa> it was fine a few updates ago
[11:35] <thompa> right now i can only think of back-up and reinstall from scratch
[11:35] <SpudDogg> thompa, what errors are you getting?
[11:35] <_sidd> ibbuntu: that's right... 00:xx.x is the PCI ID.
[11:36] <thompa> SpudDogg: kaffeine says source seems encrypted
[11:36] <lymeca> What package do I need to install flgrx drivers for my ATI X1300 video card?
[11:37] <SpudDogg> are you sure you have that libdvdcss2 package installed correctly?  i would start with removing and reinstalling that
[11:37] <SpudDogg> thompa: are you sure you have that libdvdcss2 package installed correctly?  i would start with removing and reinstalling that
[11:37] <thompa> SpudDogg: i did that a few times yes thanks
[11:37] <_sidd> ibbuntu, if the cards are working now... then your problem is solved, right?
[11:38] <SpudDogg> thompa, hmm.  i've never had a problem with playing dvds before.  is it a brand new dvd or anything?
[11:38] <thompa> SpudDogg: libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/thompa/.dvdnav/
[11:38] <thompa> thats vlc from command line
[11:38] <thompa> SpudDogg: no dvds play at all
[11:39] <ibbuntu> _sidd: well sort of, but I still can't connect to my home network, which suggests there may be a further problem. I'm still investigating
[11:39] <SpudDogg> !restricted
[11:39] <thompa> SpudDogg: libdvdread: Error cracking CSS key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_1.VOB (0x00000
[11:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:39] <ibbuntu> btw the PCI IDs are the same in both normal and recovery mode
[11:40] <thompa> SpudDogg: i dont know i tried that too, ive been using ubuntu for a while sorry
[11:40] <thompa> SpudDogg: by the way its same on my other computer running gutsy
[11:40] <SpudDogg> thompa, i suppose it's possible there is a bug in gutsy, but i think it's a problem with your libdvdcss2/libdvdnav install
[11:41] <ibbuntu> when I have the google home page in front of me I'll be happy
[11:41] <choward_> I am having compiz problems... is compiz broken?
[11:41] <thompa> SpudDogg: i think so and its related somehow to at what point it was updated
[11:41] <lymeca> How do I install fglrx on gutsy?
[11:41] <thompa> maybe i need to purge this stuff somehow
[11:41] <choward_> I upgraded my fiesty to gutsy... the only problem I have right now is with compiz
[11:42] <_sidd> choward_, what kind of problem?
[11:42] <thompa> SpudDogg: i can remove dvdcss and dvdnav and reinstall reboot everything same problem
[11:43] <thompa> the dvds plays fine in vlc windows btw
[11:43] <choward_> I created a new user... logged in and had the Normal Desktop effects.  When I went to the new apearance settings and changed to Extra effects I lost my window manager...
[11:43] <ScislaC> Is there a recommended method to run the KDE4 Beta 2? I'm on Gutsy and KDE3 is NOT installed.
[11:44] <choward_> ^that sounds fun too
[11:45] <choward_> If I try to start compiz from cli I get Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[11:46] <ibbuntu> _sidd: I now have networking working again in my Feisty install, but not yet my Gutsy
[11:47] <_sidd> choward_, ah... I've been getting that error too... I haven't been able to fix it.
[11:48] <_sidd> ibbuntu: that's awesome! try repeating the same steps in gutsy.
[11:50] <ibbuntu> _sid: well the steps required in Feisty were simply to boot into it, and it worked straight away. Unfortunately the same can't be said about my gutsy install
[11:51] <crdlb> choward_, _sidd, what video card?
[11:51] <choward_> Compiz worked fine in 7.04  and it is weird that I got desktop effects when I created a new user.
[11:51] <choward_> Intel 915
[11:52] <_sidd> crdlb: intel 965
[11:52] <crdlb> try: LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 compiz --replace
[11:52] <crdlb> in a terminal
[11:53] <ibbuntu> _sidd: I enabled the restricted broadcom drivers in my gutsy install and my system has frozen. I can move the mouse, and I'm able to get to tty1 with ctrl-alt-f1
[11:54] <ibbuntu> I've done sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart and now it works. In kernel 2.6.22-10
[11:55] <_sidd> ibbuntu: everything works?
[11:55] <ibbuntu> let's just hope it doesn't crash any time soon. I'm not confident about getting it working in 2.6.22-12 as it was after trying to get it to work in that kernel that things started breaking
[11:55] <choward_> I tried LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 compiz --replace  Compiz does not start and I get no errors.
[11:56] <ibbuntu> _sidd: everything except kernel 2.6.22-12, which I'd rather not try as it works in this earlier kernel
[11:57] <_sidd> ibbuntu: Yes... I would suggest you stick to this setup for a few days (it could still be a flaky hardware problem, which happened to fix itself).
[11:58] <ibbuntu> _sidd: thanks for your help, I'm going to have a rest now :)
[11:58] <_sidd> ibbuntu: np
[11:59] <choward_> k... I edited /usr/bin/compiz and changed INDIRECT="no" to yes.  When I run it I get "Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present."
[12:01] <lymeca> I just installed gutsy and fglrx
[12:01] <lymeca> But nothing is showing up on my screen after GRUB
[12:03] <choward_> Sweet dreams linxeh
[12:09] <choward_> anyone have a fix for compiz (core) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[12:10] <fredrin> hello
[12:12] <fredrin> got some trouble with sound, got a ACL268 Chip snd-hda-intel Tried compiling, alsa 1.15rc2, tried driver from realtek.com.tw, basicly a patched version of alsa 1.14, the card shows up in /proc/asound/
[12:12] <fredrin> but i just cant get any sound
[12:13] <fredrin> and tried a tip a found at launchpad that was to reinstall some alsa libs
[12:14] <fredrin> mplayer seams to work with out any errors
[12:17] <cirkit> which one of you niggers is responsible for creating ubuntu?
[12:17] <rsk> hahahah
[12:17] <rsk> cirkit: that would be mark shuttleworth
[12:17] <cirkit> ahh....thank you.
[12:18] <rsk> millionare that went to space
[12:18] <rsk> and done bunch of stuff
[12:18] <cirkit> are you serious?
[12:18] <rsk> now he's trying to make ubuntu the default desktop
[12:18] <rsk> cirkit: nope
[12:18] <rsk> ops
[12:18] <rsk> cirkit: i am serious
[12:18] <rsk> read that wrong
[12:18] <rsk> troll?
[12:19] <rsk> :)
[12:19] <fredrin> most likely
[12:19] <fredrin> heh
[12:21] <fredrin> then a compiz question: When i start a new program, ie a terminal from the quicklaunch, the windowborder is hidden under the top gnome toolbar
[12:21] <fredrin> is this a but or a setting fault?
[12:21] <fredrin> bug
[12:22] <_sidd> fredrin, is it hidden or is it missing?
[12:22] <h1st0> fredrin: Window placement should be enabled so it doesn't get set behind there.
[12:22] <fredrin> just hidden
[12:23] <fredrin> i can get to it if i chose to move or maximiz
[12:23] <fredrin> but must chose that from the taskbar
[12:23] <fredrin> bottom gnome menu
[12:23] <fredrin> just anoying
[12:24] <fredrin> seams like the default of starting any new window is to start in the top left corner of the screen
[12:24] <fredrin> gah
[12:26] <fredrin> h1st0: sweet. that did the trick
[12:26] <fredrin> then it's just the sound :(
[12:28] <h1st0> Whats wrong with sound?
[12:28] <h1st0> This is yet antoher reason compizconfig-settings-manager should be installed by default on gusty
[12:34] <Xero> lol Firefox is seemingly broken.
[12:35] <Xero> A google search takes 10 minutes on a 768kbps connection....
[12:35] <Pici> Maybe its google that has the problem?
[12:36] <Pici>  /devils advocate
[12:36] <_sidd> Or the network connection?
[12:36] <Xero> Pici, no website works. The network connection is seemingly fine.
[12:36] <Xero> If you're sure, _sidd, I'll restart my network connection.
[12:37] <Xero> hmm321igetdropper
[12:37] <_sidd> What do you get if you ping a website?
[12:38] <Xero> WTF? Disabling networking didn't drop me from IRC!
[12:38] <Xero> PING google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[12:38] <Xero> 64 bytes from py-in-f99.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=2 ttl=235 time=38.1 ms
[12:38] <Xero> Then it stops.
[12:38] <_sidd> And other websites?
[12:39] <Xero> 64 bytes from p1-ha-hf-cluster.medialogik.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=1 ttl=35 time=127 ms (many times, almost same output, http://pie.com does not show up in FF)
[12:40] <RAdams> Alright, let's talk about something very obviously important: What's the new Gusty wallpaper going to be?!
[12:40] <h1st0> RAdams: I'm pretty sure it was posted in the forums
[12:40] <Xero> RAdams, it's going to be sickeningly nasty.
[12:40] <RAdams> And who else is glad that ugly dapper-ish/vista-ish chocolate one was removed
[12:40] <RAdams> No, that one was removed
[12:40] <h1st0> ahh
[12:40] <Xero> RAdams, me.
[12:40] <h1st0> good
[12:40] <RAdams> Did you update today?
[12:40] <RAdams> Run your updates
[12:40] <RAdams> POW no wallpaper
[12:40] <RAdams> D:
[12:41] <RAdams> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas
[12:41] <Pici> Xero: Have you tried removing ipv6 support?  I know it sounds a far fetched solution, but I've seen it fix networking problems like that.
[12:41] <Xero> Pici, already done in FF.
[12:41] <Xero> System wide, no.
[12:41] <Pici> Do you need it enabled?
[12:41] <Xero>  No.
[12:42] <Pici> !ipv6
[12:42] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[12:42] <Xero> :O pie.com shows up after disabling Compiz!
[12:42] <Xero> Also, I recently got a kernel update and a dbus update. Would that be the problem?
[12:43] <Xero> I didn't reboot afterwards.
[12:43] <Xero> brb reboot. I need to see if it will work enough to even display the disabling IPv6 page after that.
[12:43] <RAdams> Xero: did you get the headers from last night's update?
[12:43] <RAdams> It will make a difference
[12:44] <Xero> RAdams, it was 5 minutes ago's update.
[12:44] <RAdams> oh
[12:44] <RAdams> lol
[12:44] <RAdams> I just booted up
[12:44] <RAdams> >.<
[12:44] <Xero> oh
[12:44] <RAdams> I assumed it was from the nightly
[12:44] <Xero> Well I'm rebooting now.
[12:44] <RAdams> ok
[12:44] <RAdams> gl!
[12:44] <Xero> thx
[12:44] <Remote> I close connections.
[12:49] <Xero> Still too laggy to even attempt loading that page.
[12:50] <_sidd> Xero, is it the same with any other browser?
[12:50] <Xero> _sidd, it's not -as- bad with Konqueror.
[12:50] <Xero> Still horribly slow, though.
[12:50] <Xero> It's taking 20 seconds and counting to get 13.1KB
[12:50] <Drizzt321> whats a good php/perl/misc source editor?
[12:51] <Drizzt321> I remember I had one I liked when I was running debian, and it was something like glade, but thats not it.
[12:51] <fredrin> now another problem. I used to map keys with .Xmodmap, but now that does not work any more. I get asked to load the .Xmodmap file when the computer starts, but the mapping does not work
[12:52] <fredrin> is there a more ubuntu way of mapping keys?
[12:52] <_sidd> Xero, hmmm... weird.
[12:52] <RAdams> fredrin: gnome-keybinding-properties
[12:52] <fredrin> RAdams: k
[12:52] <fredrin> thanks
[12:52] <RAdams> np
[12:53] <Xero> _sidd, I'm going to try unplugging my cord frm the router and putting it back
[12:54] <fredrin> RAdams: did not mean that. I would like to customize the keyboard, like make CAPS-LOCK into ESC,
[12:54] <fredrin> switch keys
[12:54] <Xero> W.T.F?
[12:54] <Xero> Unplugged from the router and it didn't drop me!
[12:55] <fredrin> Xero: Wireless?
[12:55] <Xero> fredrin, this computer doesn't have wireless.
[12:55] <fredrin> oh, maybe it hashehe
[12:55] <fredrin> just kidding man :)
[12:56] <leperkhanz> New xgl, new nvidia drivers... still no direct rendering.  *sigh*
[12:56] <leperkhanz> 1700 fps in glxgears though.
[12:56] <Xero> That should do it. sudo ifdown eth0.
[12:56] <Xero> If I'm still here, this PC is cursed.
[12:56] <leperkhanz> Wait, now I'm getting 75,000 fps.
[12:56] <Xero> Okay. Now I'm amazed.
[12:56] <leperkhanz> I somehow doubt that.
[12:57] <fredrin> i guess you are
[12:57] <_sidd> Xero: ifconfig
[12:57] <leperkhanz> back to 1700
[12:57] <Xero> This freakin computer will not disconnect...
[12:57] <Xero> ifconfig returns eth0 and lo
[12:57] <Xero> I did 'sudo ifdown eth0'
[12:57] <_sidd> Does eth0 have an IP address?
[12:58] <fredrin> Xero: are you using irc from that computer?
[12:58] <Xero> fredrin, yes.
[12:58] <Xero> _sidd, yes. <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:59] <fredrin> hehe, strange
[12:59] <Xero> Strange indeed.
[12:59] <fredrin> take the cable out of the computer
[12:59] <fredrin> that should do it
[12:59] <leperkhanz> Yeah, 11 fps in Urban Terror.
[12:59] <leperkhanz> *sigh*
[12:59] <fredrin> unless you are on wireless or gprs over bluetooth, lol
[12:59] <Xero> It got unplugged from the router.
[12:59] <Xero> I have no wireless and no bluetooth.
[01:00] <Xero> It's -still- unplugged from the router and now it gets Google.
[01:00] <fredrin> but unplugg from the computer aswell
[01:00] <fredrin> so you're 100% sure that you're disconnected
[01:00] <Xero> Yes. I have no bluetooth and no wireless internet devices.
[01:00] <Xero> Strange. My original problem is solved.
[01:01] <Xero> Now I'm starting to think I'm delusional.
[01:01] <fredrin> could be a bug in the matrix
[01:01] <fredrin> haha
[01:01] <_sidd> Haha... that's funny!
[01:01] <wabid> does anyone here have a z61p by chance
[01:01] <Xero> Seriously, what the F***
[01:02] <fredrin> but is ther a network cat5 cable connected to the computer?
[01:02] <leperkhanz> Yeah, 15 fps with compiz on... lol
[01:02] <Xero> hmm I did a google "im feeling lucky" search on Firefox for WTF?????? and it returned porn. Now i'm sure I'm connected.
[01:03] <Xero> Someone please come to my house and shoot me. I'll still be alive. This world doesn't exist anymore, obviously. (This means I'm more puzzled than anyone else)
[01:03] <leperkhanz> What is Xgl-lockfile-wr?
[01:04] <fredrin> it sure sound strange
[01:04] <wabid> or does anyone have a wuxga monitor
[01:04] <Xero> fredrin, yes. There's a cat5 connected to the computer, but what is it sending my data to? A hamster?
[01:05] <fredrin> Xero: don't know, you could by fault have taken out the wrong cable of the router
[01:05] <Xero> fredrin, nope.  I don't know anymore. I seriously doubt my existence as of this moment.
[01:07] <RAdams> xero, lol
[01:09] <leperkhanz> *sigh* no games at all.   i am such a sad panda.
[01:10] <CountX> ubuntu was in wired magazine
[01:10] <CountX> this month
[01:10] <Xero> Does anyone have trouble viewing this in Firefox? http://xero-games.com
[01:10] <leperkhanz> 1964 runs perfect.... with no video... *sigh*
[01:10] <Xero> IE has some kinda problem with my image link.
[01:10] <CountX> in the geekipedia, its under F for free
[01:10] <CountX> leperkhanz: wine?
[01:11] <leperkhanz> yeah, but I have bad fps in ANYTHING i try to run.  even linux native binaries.  and glxinfo says "Direct Rendering: No" Even though I get 1800 fps in glxgears.
[01:11] <_sidd> Xero, it works for me.
[01:11] <leperkhanz> Something is broken on here, and I can't figure it out.
[01:11] <Xero> _sidd, Okay. Now boot into Windows and attempt to view it on IE.
[01:11] <CountX> leperkhanz: bug report?
[01:11] <leperkhanz> xero: works for me, too.
[01:12] <leperkhanz> CountX: did that.
[01:12] <musikgoat> lo all, anyone here have issues with tilda showing an all gray display but accepting commands?  when I kill tilda and restart it, everything works fine...  anyone seen this?
[01:12] <leperkhanz> a couple of times.
[01:12] <Xero> It won't work on IE for some reason. My school now has no source of games.
[01:12] <CountX> leperkhanz: it is beta, so not everything is going to work
[01:12] <leperkhanz> Yes, but I've had this problem for a month of Gutsy.
[01:12] <CountX> leperkhanz: i cant get my wireless working, and people day they have bcm43xx working on gutsy
[01:20] <CountX> does the US have a pirate party?
[01:20] <rsk> yes
[01:21] <CountX> WHERE DO I SIGN UP?!?!
[01:21] <rsk> in sweden we have one and i voted for them
[01:21] <rsk> only got 0.60% ~ thou
[01:21] <rsk> :&
[01:21] <jepp> will Gutsy have implemented acer_acpi for acer hotkeys?
[01:21] <CountX> yeah i say the video :P
[01:21] <CountX> saw*


[06:56] <LocutusOfBorg> vpa1977, sponsored.
[06:56] <LocutusOfBorg> in Debian :)
[06:59] <vpa1977> Thank you =)
[07:04] <LocutusOfBorg> I also uploaded as build1 in Ubuntu
 fdroidserver 2.2.1-1.1 uploaded by Gianfranco Costamagna (locutusofborg) (Closes: #1040629) https://tracker.debian.org/fdroidserver
[07:05] <LocutusOfBorg> it will autosync in some h
[08:04] <juliank> @pilot in
[08:06] <juliank> seb128: you may want to pilot out 😄
[08:06] <seb128> juliank, oh right, thanks
[08:06] <seb128> @pilot out
[08:21] <dviererbe> Hello, can someone review my Merge Proposal to merge dash 0.5.12-6 from debian? (See https://code.launchpad.net/~dviererbe/ubuntu/+source/dash/+git/dash/+merge/446503)
[08:21] <dviererbe> It's a really trivial merge, so it should not take much time to review it.
[08:53] <mirespace> Hi, Still working on dpdk MRE... I need someone that could trigger the following test for me (Thanks in advance :) ):
[08:53] <mirespace>     + @amd64: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&package=dpdk&arch=amd64&trigger=dpdk%2F22.11.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>&ppa=mirespace%2Fmre-dpdk-2026351♻
[08:53] <mirespace>     + @arm64: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&package=dpdk&arch=arm64&trigger=dpdk%2F22.11.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>&ppa=mirespace%2Fmre-dpdk-2026351♻
[08:53] <mirespace>     + @ppc64el: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&package=dpdk&arch=ppc64el&trigger=dpdk%2F22.11.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>&ppa=mirespace%2Fmre-dpdk-2026351♻
[08:54] <mirespace> I ran it locally and I got a memory allocation error in a few ones (hoping that it was caused by my machine)
[08:57] <cpaelzer> mirespace: typo ? - Unknown PPA mirespace/mre-dpdk-2026351
[08:57] <cpaelzer> or a consequence of the changes to who can trigger test restarts
[08:58] <mirespace> cpaelzer: _checking.... but I ran the same command for jammy, mpw changing only the release_
[09:00] <mirespace> s/mpw/now/
[09:00] <cpaelzer> yeah and https://launchpad.net/~mirespace/+archive/ubuntu/mre-dpdk-2026351 looks correct relative to the URLs you provides
[09:01] <mirespace> :-/
[09:01] <cpaelzer> I'd ask paride and bdmurray ^^ to have a look if that might be due to the changes for ~autopkgtest-requestors
[09:02] <mirespace> Ok, thankyou
[09:03] <cpaelzer> I'm trying a different PPA of mine I used in the past
[09:04] <cpaelzer> hmm, no the other one works
[09:04] <cpaelzer> trying to create my own links for yours
[09:04] <mirespace> :(
[09:05] <cpaelzer> ok, now I have one of yours restarted
[09:05] <cpaelzer> I need to disect the URl parameters, give me a bit
[09:06] <mirespace> sure
[09:15] <cpaelzer> ok, found it - invisible UTF magic
[09:16] <cpaelzer> paride: bdmurray: ^^ no need to look further
[09:56] <juliank> @pilot out
[09:57] <juliank> Sorry I was a bit late to pilot in
[09:57] <juliank> dviererbe: I'll leave that to cpaelzer for tomorrow's patch piloting with the idea of focusing on cross-team sponsoring
[09:58] <dviererbe> juliank: Okay, thanks for telling me :)
[09:58] <juliank> maybe someone else picks it up first
[09:59] <cpaelzer> juliank: hehe, you leave it to the one that already complained (but learned since then) it might be a bit too much cross-team :-)
[09:59] <juliank> but cross team sponsoring makes the dmb happy, so focusing on that for stuff following the ~ubuntu-sponsors process
[10:00] <juliank> cpaelzer: So I don't usually touch foundations sponsorship requests via the process during my shift, but I would sponsor them internally outside the process. I could do here because I haven't sponsored anything from dominik or vladimir yet, but I also need to leave :(
[10:01] <cpaelzer> I'm really fine
[10:01] <cpaelzer> didn't want to hold you back
[10:02] <juliank> There's like 4 actionable items in the backlog now
[10:04] <dviererbe> my merge proposal is more than a week old, so i don't think that a day makes a difference ^^
[11:11] <rbasak> cpaelzer: o/ how many patch piloting sessions have you done so far?
[11:11] <rbasak> I thought I was going to do one the other day but you were doing it. Did we just swap one, or all?
[11:11] <rbasak> Because there's one tomorrow but it's on my calendar.
[11:12] <rbasak> But then on Monday 31st it looks like you're taking my slot again?
[11:13] <rbasak> I don't mind either way. Just want to know which ones I'm doing. Because right now it looks like I don't do any, and that seems wrong :)
[11:24] <cpaelzer> rbasak: we did swap one, this would be my third session
[11:24] <cpaelzer> rbasak: Monday 31st is what I thought I traded, I'm off that day
[11:26] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I thought you took 19 June instead of me.
[11:26] <rbasak> cpaelzer: then on 10 July I thought it was my session but you did it
[11:26] <cpaelzer> I see, there is the double
[11:26] <cpaelzer> indeed
[11:26] <rbasak> cpaelzer: and on 31 July your calendar still has you taking mine.
[11:27] <rbasak> I mean if you want to take all of mine then I'm fine with that :-P
[11:27] <cpaelzer> I fixed 31st now to correctly state you take over from me
[11:27] <cpaelzer> as I'm off I couldn't do anything there :-)
[11:27] <cpaelzer> I'm fine doing the one tomorrow even thought I think this would indeed be yours - it is a nice pre-sprint contrast
[11:28] <rbasak> cpaelzer: it's still recurring - see 21 August
[11:28] <cpaelzer> ah calendars, curse of modern mankind ... on it
[11:29]  * rbasak isn't sure he's actually done a shift in 2023 yet!
[11:29] <cpaelzer> ok, here is the default
[11:30] <cpaelzer> I usually have the Fri slot, you the one on Mondays
[11:30] <cpaelzer> we traded one for when I'm off on 31st
[11:30] <rbasak> OK
[11:30] <cpaelzer> but by overzealous exitement I took it over from you when we are supposed to trade
[11:30] <rbasak> :)
[11:30] <cpaelzer> that is why in the past you haven#t but i have done one
[11:30] <cpaelzer> so 31st is yours (taking over from me - thanks)
[11:31] <cpaelzer> tomorrow is mine as it normally would be
[11:31] <cpaelzer> and after that all should be normal (you Mondays, me Fridays - all on 6 week pattern)
[11:31] <ogayot> rbasak: hi, I'm working on the dbus merge from Debian unstable with git-ubuntu. It looks like the debian/sid branch got updated with stuff from bookworm: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/commit/?h=applied/debian/sid&id=af24fc9e8b84d7f85659f1fee9d8dc5084f0a610 Is this expected?
[11:31] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Commit af24fc9 in ubuntu/+source/dbus "1.14.8-2~deb12u1 (patches applied) applied/1.14.8-2_deb12u1 applied/debian/sid"
[11:32] <cpaelzer> rbasak: let us just remember I have one good with you in case my next conflict comes up :-)
[11:33] <rbasak> ogayot: that seems surprising but according to https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/dbus/+publishinghistory it got published in Sid, so that's what git-ubuntu is reflecting
[11:33] <rbasak> cpaelzer: ack. Thanks!
[11:33] <rbasak> cpaelzer: well, two I think!
[11:35] <rbasak> cjwatson: ^ (dbus) this seems surprising to me. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/dbus doesn't seem to suggest that it was published in sid, but that's what Launchpad says. Is this expected?
[11:36]  * rbasak is heading to lunch now. Back later.
[11:36] <ogayot> rbasak: fair enough. I will wait before force-updating the new/debian tag I guess - we we understand what's going on
[11:38] <cjwatson> $ curl -s https://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/source/Sources.xz | xzcat | grep-dctrl -nsVersion -PX dbus
[11:38] <cjwatson> 1.14.6-1
[11:38] <cjwatson> rbasak: ^
[11:38] <cjwatson> 1.14.8-2~deb12u1
[11:38] <cjwatson> 1.14.8-2
[11:39] <cjwatson> So all three of those are currently recorded as being Published in debian/sid, which seems like an accurate reflection of reality
[11:39] <cjwatson> How does the importer handle the case where multiple versions are published in a suite at the same time?
[11:40] <cjwatson> I don't think the importer should have wound the debian/sid branch back to 1.14.8-2~deb12u1 in this case, since 1.14.8-2 is still Published.
[13:35] <rbasak> cjwatson: How does the importer handle the case where multiple versions are published in a suite at the same time> it just does what Launchpad says in publication order
[13:36] <rbasak> I think.
[13:36] <rbasak> Why would Debian publish that in sid?
[13:38] <rbasak> Yes the importer algorithm is just going to result in debian/sid pointing to the most recent thing that Launchpad says is published in sid.
[13:41] <zhsj> 1.14.8-2~deb12u1 in unstable is `Extra-Source-Only: yes`. some packages (for example debian-installer-12-netboot-amd64) in unstable has built-using dbus = 1.14.8-2~deb12u1
[13:43] <zhsj> last debian-installer-netboot-images is uploaded to bookworm, and then pop up to unstable.
[13:52] <rbasak> should have wound the debian/sid branch back to 1.14.8-2~deb12u1> FWIW it's actually ahead, since 1.14.8-2~deb12u1's changelog lists 1.14.8-2, even though the versions go the other way.
[13:52] <rbasak> It will get force pushed on the next regular upload to sid.
[13:57] <cjwatson> rbasak: I don't think "most recent publication" is quite the right algorithm here, at least not for the way that Debian's archive management software works.  My understanding is that Debian sometimes propagates publications from earlier suites like proposed-updates to later suites like sid, and then relies on garbage-collection machinery to clean those up if they aren't needed.
[13:58] <cjwatson> rbasak: So this behaviour where an earlier-versioned publication arrives in sid chronologically after a later-versioned publication is definitely possible, but shouldn't be interpreted to mean that the package has been rewound to that earlier version (unless the later-versioned publication is removed).
[13:58] <zhsj> i think ESO should be ignored
[14:08] <rbasak> cjwatson: I was unaware of this. Thanks. So what should I do instead? Take the highest version of everything still published?
[14:09] <rbasak> I'm not sure how to extract that from the API incrementally
[14:09] <rbasak> Would taking the highest version of everything still published also work for Ubuntu?
[14:11] <cjwatson> I think so ...
[14:13] <cjwatson> Or maybe ignore anything with Extra-Source-Only as zhsj suggests, though that would probably require fetching the actual Sources stanza, and I'm not entirely sure that's preserved anywhere by LP's importer
[14:13] <cjwatson> (It might be in a "misc extra fields" thing somewhere ...)
[14:14] <cjwatson> I'm not sure there are any situations today where Ubuntu publishes multiple versions of a given source package in the same archive/suite
[14:14] <cjwatson> Except maybe for brief periods
[14:17] <cjwatson> Though it is definitely a logically coherent thing to do.  Consider the case where we've deliberately chosen to allow a package to be out of sync across architectures, forcing proposed-migration.  In that case, both source versions ought to be published in the given suite.
[14:17] <rbasak> I tried this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fXYPQhypZC/
[14:17] <cjwatson> (I don't remember whether we do that today)
[14:18] <rbasak> It's a surprising long answer
[14:18] <cjwatson> Do you possibly need exact_match=True?
[14:18] <rbasak> Ah
[14:18] <cjwatson> For annoying historical reasons the default is a substring match, IIRC
[14:19] <rbasak> That's better thanks
[14:19] <rbasak> Out[2]: ['1.14.8-2', '1.14.8-2~deb12u1', '1.14.6-1']
[14:21] <rbasak> Right now the importer algorithm processes all publications in date order. For every publication it updates the branch pointer corresponding to the suite it was published in. The result when it's done is that the branch pointer always points to the most recent publication.
[14:22] <rbasak> To change this, I could move the branch pointer out of that loop, and update all branch pointers at the end. For all known suites, run getPublishedSources() against that distro_series and pocket, take the highest version, and set the branch pointer to that.
[14:22] <rbasak> Does that sound correct?
[14:24] <rbasak> It would mean one more interation every six months. Perhaps I could add an importer CLI option to ignore suites older than some date, so that regular production runs could skip EOL suites.
[14:24] <rbasak> *iteration
[14:24] <rbasak> And "one more" -> "one more per pocket"
[14:26] <rbasak> zhsj: ah that makes sense, thanks.
[14:30] <cjwatson> I _think_ so but I don't know the algorithm particularly well ...
[14:40] <rbasak> cjwatson: understood, but setting aside the algorithm, do you think the branch pointers would always be as you would expect if we determined them as above?
[15:05] <cjwatson> rbasak: I think so.  It's a big enough system that a dry-run test wouldn't go amiss though
[15:06] <rbasak> cjwatson: OK thanks!
[16:46] <rbasak> ogayot, cjwatson, zhsj: I recorded this all in https://bugs.launchpad.net/git-ubuntu/+bug/2028288 if you're interested. Thank you for the report and discussion.
[16:46] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2028288 in git-ubuntu "debian/sid branch incorrect when multiple versions are published" [Medium, Triaged]
[19:05] <tjaalton> sergiodj: next week when I'm back
[19:23] <sergiodj> tjaalton: ack, thanks


[18:29] <DarkwingDuck> mdke: ping
[18:29] <mdke> DarkwingDuck: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[18:29] <jbicha> mdke: ping
[18:29] <mdke> jbicha: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[18:29] <jbicha> lol
[18:29] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[19:01] <DarkwingDuck> GARG!
[19:01] <DarkwingDuck> I can't get these translations to import
[19:02] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, there we go


[00:33] <arraybolt3> Hey, I just noticed on the Lubuntu-QA Launchpad team, we're still pointing to chat.freenode.org/lubuntu-devel. I'm pretty sure that needs to be changed to libera.chat? Or is freenode.org different than freenode.net?
 Thanks, I will fix it up.
[00:35] <arraybolt3> Oh, and the wiki link is bad, too.
 Ok
[00:36] <arraybolt3> Thank you for giving me all those resources to learn packaging! @kc2bez
 Sure thing
[00:42] <guiverc> arraybolt3, paste any links that need correction & we'll fix it asap. If it's a Ubuntu wiki page you can request access to the group [wiki-editors] (I can nudge too to get you approved faster; it may work)
[00:42] <guiverc> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa altered
[00:42] <arraybolt3> OK, will do.
 I think I got it fixed up.
[00:47] <guiverc> arraybolt3, just FYI.. if you rely on search engines; many Lubuntu pages (pages of no value anymore except history) may result in page-not-found as I did a global name-change on wiki.ubuntu.com; see https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/ubuntu-wiki-lubuntu-no-longer-exists/2476 ...
[00:49] <arraybolt3> Good to know. Thank you.
[00:51] <arraybolt3> @kc2bez Looks good to me!
 Thanks for letting us know.
 I added links for the workarounds just when this stuff gets fixed can someone please ping me so I don't leave them in there forever when no longer relevant
[23:01] <arraybolt3> @lynorian I think I can do that.


[08:17] <blaze> hello
[08:17] <blaze> my ppa uses some strange key, wtf?
[08:53] <wgrant> blaze: PPAs are signed with keys that are generated by Launchpad. They can't be signed with your key, since only you have your private key.
[08:57] <blaze> okay, but why i keep getting a message that signature is invalid?
[13:45] <t4nk129> hi,
[13:46] <t4nk129> ~/mydev/ubuntu/Project_1/trunc$ bzr push lp:~/mydev/ubuntu/Project_1/trunc/  The authenticity of host 'bazaar.launchpad.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is 9d:38:3a:63:b1:d5:6f:c4:44:67:53:49:2e:ee:fc:89. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)?
[13:47] <t4nk129> i am trying to upload a sample project to launchpad, and ge the above response. Is this normal ?
[13:53] <Peng> That's how ssh works, so... yes?
[13:57] <t4nk129> then why does it say "The authenticity of host 'bazaar.launchpad.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)' can't be established. "  ?
[13:58] <Peng> Because you've never sshed to bazaar.launchpad.net before.
[13:58] <Peng> That's what OpenSSH does.
[13:58] <t4nk129> so if i import launchpad public keys, that will solve the issue ? please pardon my ignorance.
[13:59] <Peng> You don't have much experience with ssh?
[13:59] <Peng> There's not really anything to "import". Type "yes" and hit Enter, as ssh prompted you to.
[13:59] <t4nk129> i always get this message and i gave yes all the time. never though why this came and how i could stop it, if possible
[14:00] <Peng> Oh. That's oddly broken.
[14:00] <Peng> You're on *nix?
[14:00] <t4nk129> ubuntu
[14:00] <Peng> Does sshing to other hosts work normally?
[14:01] <t4nk129> the first time, i always get this message
[14:01] <Peng> This is dumb, but maybe just "ssh bazaar.launchpad.net". What happens?
[14:01] <Peng> In any case this sounds like a question for #ubuntu or #bzr or something
[14:03] <t4nk129> ssh bazaar.launchpad.net The authenticity of host 'bazaar.launchpad.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is 9d:38:3a:63:b1:d5:6f:c4:44:67:53:49:2e:ee:fc:89. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)?
[14:04] <Peng> What happens if you say yes and do it again?
[14:04] <t4nk129> it wount ask me again. i giuess it adds to the list of known_hosts
[14:04] <t4nk129> won't
[14:05] <t4nk129> ok, let me read more. thanks, bye
[18:10] <dobey> hmm


[01:03] <h00k> hmm.
[06:25] <elky> BAH! * Invalid target: MR^E
[06:25] <Tm_T> beat me to it
[06:25] <elky> the xchat script is dying on the ^ i think
[06:26] <elky> plztofixthat
[06:30]  * rww wanders in
[06:37]  * elky points to the current ot thread
[06:37] <elky> sparc, hi, how can we help?
[06:37]  * rww nods
[06:38] <sparc> oh i see
[06:38] <sparc> hmm, i guess i don't have an issue really, thank you for asking, though
[06:43] <rww> oh good, the topic has changed to things that come out of AtomicSpark's head.
[06:43]  * rww stops paying attention
[06:44] <elky> bad op, bad.
[07:09] <rww> I'm not bad, I'm just efficient at allocating attention :(
[07:23] <Myrtti> me too
[07:25] <Myrtti> my method just ensures undivided attention to some
[07:27] <rww> damnit, he apologized. I was most of the way through /ar kingofthelosers it's
[10:34] <IAmNotThatGuy> hello all
[10:34] <IAmNotThatGuy> there is a troll in #ubuntu-beginners-team
[10:34] <IAmNotThatGuy> unfortunately, Ops are away. can we get some help
[10:34] <IAmNotThatGuy> please
[10:45] <tsimpson> IAmNotThatGuy: are they still there?
[10:45] <IAmNotThatGuy> tsimpson, No. he just left
[10:46] <tsimpson> IAmNotThatGuy: I'll stick around in the channels for a while just in case
[10:46] <IAmNotThatGuy> tsimpson, ty
[12:21] <oCean> juk in #u might have had one too many (13:03:18 <juk>	Eagle: oh, having booze actually)
[12:21] <oCean> he's getting annoying
[12:26] <oCean> he's gone
[15:28] <genii-around> Are channel names case-sensitive?
[15:29] <jussi> no
[15:30] <genii-around> jussi: Thanks, I thought so but wasn't sure
[15:33] <Tm_T> genii-around: hi how are you?
[15:33] <genii-around> Tm_T: Seems like I've been exhausted for weeks :( But otherwise OK, if somewhat caffeine-deprived
[16:29] <popey> maxster spamming #u
[16:30] <Tm_T> yup
[16:32] <Tm_T> and gone
[18:02] <Pici> oh tp_ is being so nice after I muted him </sarcasm>
[18:05] <IdleOne> are you being told how lame you are?
[18:05] <IdleOne> that is always nice to be reminded of.
[18:18] <IdleOne> enema - possible troll.
[18:20] <IdleOne> proof in #freenode
[18:20] <IdleOne> :/
[18:48] <topyli> IdleOne: i have afrix in pm, i agree she's been getting away with that too long
[18:48] <IdleOne> topyli: it is always just borderline stuff but imo one inch leads to a mile.
[18:48] <topyli> over time, yes
[18:48] <IdleOne> thanks for handling it :)
[18:49] <topyli> well she said she'll stop them, we'll see
[18:49] <Pici> did I miss something?
[18:52] <topyli> Pici: long story. afrix tends to enter -ot, and post links that are either borderline or over the top
[18:52] <Pici> topyli: oh. Right.
[18:52] <topyli> not the most problematic user we have
[18:52] <Pici> I got confused with the 'she'
[18:53] <topyli> i think she's a she
[18:53] <Pici> I've never really thought about it.
[18:54] <IdleOne> me either.
[18:54] <Pici> Without getting into the long winded conversation, 'he' is often gender neutral to me.
[18:56] <topyli> well afaik that's how it used to be until someone decided it's not :)
[18:57] <IdleOne> have to agree with Pici on this. He has always been the default pronoun when not sure of sex.
[18:57] <IdleOne> so I use he.
[18:57] <IdleOne> in any case, nipping it in the bud with afrix before it starts to get worse is the best idea :)
[18:58] <maco> topyli: meh in shakespeare's time, "they" was acceptable, til someone decided in the 1800s that it wasn't and replaced it with "he"
[18:58] <topyli> oh :)
[18:58] <IdleOne> they is also good
[18:59] <Pici> or is it 'they are also good'?
[18:59] <IdleOne> they can be good
[18:59] <IdleOne> they are not always
[19:01] <jussi> am I blind or is it really hard to find where to change your LP password? (and I still havent found it)
[19:01] <Pici> jussi: It on that ubuntu single signon page.
[19:02] <jussi> Pici: so theres no link from my profile page.... :/
[19:02] <jussi> Pici: I dont see a link there either, inless you mean the "forgot password" link?
[19:03] <Pici> jussi: er.  /me looks
[19:03] <IdleOne> forgot password link will force you to change your pass iirc
[19:03] <jrib> jussi: https://login.launchpad.net/
[19:05] <jussi> thanks jrib
[19:05] <Pici> I meant https://login.ubuntu.com/, but its the same thing really.
[19:05]  * jussi runs off to watch Mentalist
[19:23] <CarlFK> https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/51 "How do I change my password... "
[20:40] <Pricey> FYI I am no longer on staff. (!staff)
[20:42] <knome> is deadduck off the wanted nicks list? :P
[20:42] <Pricey> oh hang on... i can change that myself
[20:44] <IdleOne> Pricey: you are no longer a staff member or want to be removed from the staff factoid?
[20:44] <Flannel> !staff =~ s/Pricey, //
[20:44] <Pricey> ty Flannel
[20:44] <Flannel> Pricey: No problem
[20:44] <IdleOne> okie dokie
[20:45] <Pricey> was about to change it myself, then got distracted by shiny things :-)
[20:45] <Tm_T> why I suddenly began thinking fisher price ...
[20:45] <Pricey> <insert 'asda' here>
[20:47] <knome> Tm_T, lol, now that you say it..
[20:48] <Tm_T> pricey's "shiny things" came with good timing, I notice
[20:48] <nhandler> IdleOne: /whois Pricey :)
[20:49] <IdleOne> yup seen it
[20:56] <Tm_T> uh, did we have some guide/factoid for fixing homedir after running graphical apps with sudo?
[20:56] <genii-around> !uhoh
[20:56] <genii-around> Hm
[20:57] <Tm_T> "sudo chown user -R ~/" is prolly dirtyer than necessary
[20:58] <jrib> what else can you do?  Run it just for the app?
[20:58] <Tm_T> run it just for the files that the user has no write access to
[20:59] <jrib> I think chown -R $USER: ~  is sane enough
[21:00] <Tm_T> I do think too
[21:00] <jrib> maybe just dot files
[21:00] <Tm_T> nah, sudo can mess up other files too
[21:00] <jrib> oh


[00:12] <swanerd> after installing 12.04LTS all I get upon boot is "mode not supported" from my monitor... Please help! real NOOB here...
[01:07] <Juze> Always so silly, ask a question, leave a minute later
[02:30] <iggy19> hey all
[02:31] <iggy19> my ibm t60 running ubuntu 10.10 randomly turns off while the screen in locked (never when in use).  Where do I look for a log that will give me a clue as to what is going on?
[02:31] <iggy19> TIA!
[02:33] <Unit193> Files in /var/log/ and 10.10 is EOL.
[02:34] <iggy19> Unit193: and I don't have time to break and fix lots of stuff in an upgrade. Sorry.
[02:34] <iggy19> thanks for the tip though!
[02:40] <iggy19> Unit193: "Critical temperature reached (128 C), shutting down."  Thank you.
[02:40] <Unit193> Yeppers.  May want to use a LTS version though next time. :P
[03:13] <iggy19> Unit193: yep.  or try a new distro.  for now though, it's duct tape and bubblegum.
[06:07] <jardag> how to print pdf file in 12.04
[06:07] <wilee-nilee> jardag, what pdf app are you using?
[06:08] <jardag> Document viewer
[06:08] <wilee-nilee> jardag, do you see a file button at the top right?
[06:08] <wilee-nilee> top left sorry
[06:08] <jardag> no file button
[06:09] <wilee-nilee> can you take a screen shot of the app with prtsc and put it in a imagebin?
[06:10] <wilee-nilee> !imagebin
[06:10] <ubot2> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imagebin.org/?page=add and post a link to it.
[06:10] <philballew> jardag, how long you been using ubuntu?
[06:10] <Unit193> Hit Ctrl+P, Unity uses global menu so there should still be a file.
[06:10] <philballew> Unit193, stole it from me.
[06:10]  * philballew bows
[06:10] <Unit193> Nope, here first
[06:11] <jardag> I just installed stock 12.04 and the viewer changed
[06:11] <philballew> Unit193, know everything, beats everyone
[06:11] <Unit193> jardag: That not hit it?
[06:11] <Unit193> philballew: Nope, not used Unity. :D
[06:12] <philballew> you should give it a spin when it gets ported to whatever distro you ran away to.
[06:13] <Unit193> Didn't run, just didn't use main Ubuntu.
[06:18] <jardag> what application can print pdf file in 12.04 ?
[06:19] <Unit193> Evince.
[06:45] <jardag> ubuntu 12.04 how to print pdf file?
[06:46] <philballew> jardag, hey! hows it goin?
[06:46] <philballew> me and Unit193 and wilee-nilee missed you
[06:47] <wilee-nilee> hehe
[06:47] <jardag> there must be someone who printed pdf file in 12.04
[06:48] <philballew> I have
[06:50] <jardag> evince has no print optiion
[06:52] <wilee-nilee> Is the a header to that evince app that says file edit view go bookmarks help
[06:52] <philballew> here I am trying to image bin something.....
[06:52] <wilee-nilee> there a*
[06:52] <philballew> http://imagebin.org/224028
[06:58] <elfy> butters: so what is it you need help with? what have you done so far?
[06:59] <butters> everytime i try to install it imy screen goes all funky
[06:59] <butters> and wont install
[06:59] <butters> gets frozen
[07:00] <butters> its right after i select install ubuntu on to harddrive and after that nothing happens but a pixel lated screen
[07:00] <elfy> ok - first did you check that the download and burn were good https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/CDIntegrityCheck
[07:01] <elfy> if that's all good I would try booting with nomodeset, reboot the cd - when you see kbd/man at bottom of screen hit any key
[07:02] <elfy> press f6 at that screen and choose nomodeset then carry on with the Try option
[07:04] <butters> i shall try brb
[07:05] <philballew> Seems like it should work elfy
[07:05] <elfy> have to hope so philballew :)
[15:25] <raub> Who creates/changes /var/cache/debconf/config.dat ?
[15:34] <Sidewinder1> raub, Just a WAG on my part, but perhaps Synaptic Package Manager/Software Center ?
[15:36] <cortman> dpkg I assume raub
[16:17] <raub> cortman, Sidewinder1: reason I ask is that some machines have wrong/outdated ldap stuff in there and I am trying to find out where they got them
[16:19] <Sidewinder1> You might wish to ask in #ubuntu as you're not getting an overwhelming response, here. Way more people in there, about 1,669 presently.
[16:19] <Sidewinder1> With all due respect to cortman  :-)
[16:54] <cortman> whew
[16:54]  * cortman was away
[20:35] <upalipsu> How can I use FTP with a diskstation on ubuntu?
[21:05] <Unit193> upalipsu: FTP client?  There's a terminal based one, and you can always use filezilla.
[21:11] <upalipsu> To specify- it the diskstation is a synology unit I had used in windows, it came with a linux code on the installation disk
[21:12] <upalipsu> would a regular FTP client work for that?
[21:13] <upalipsu> The linux code is a bit advanced for me, as I just installed ubuntu yesterday and am completely new to linux. It has notes throughout about specifying paths and directories which go over my head currently
[21:19] <stlsaint> upalipsu: what aer you trying to do?
[21:20] <upalipsu> Basically, I'm trying to reconnect an external hdd array that had an ip of <IP_ADDRESS>, ip status DHCP and Mac adress 00:11:32:0D:71:CD
[21:21] <upalipsu> Using ethernet and FileZilla, seeing if I can set something up currently
[21:22] <upalipsu> Filezilla says-    Status:	Connecting to <IP_ADDRESS>:21... Status:	Connection attempt failed with "EHOSTUNREACH - No route to host". Error:	Could not connect to server
[21:26] <upalipsu> the install disk has a file named install.sh
[21:26] <upalipsu> The contents are :
[21:26] <upalipsu> #!/bin/sh # Copyright (C) 2000-2009 Synology Inc. All rights reserved. VERSION=1347 TarFileName="SynologyAssistant-3.0-${VERSION}.tar.gz" DestDirName="SynologyAssistant" ReadLink=/bin/readlink  YNConfirm() { 	read YN 	if [ "x$YN" = "xY" -o "x$YN" = "xy" ]; then 		return 	else 		exit 0 	fi }  if [ ! -f ./${TarFileName} ]; then 	echo "File [${TarFileName}] not found." 	exit 255 fi  cat << EOF This script will install Synol
[21:32] <stlsaint> upalipsu: that makes no sense
[21:33] <stlsaint> upalipsu: please use paste.ubuntu.com to paste large files and give the url link here
[21:33] <upalipsu> Thank you, I wasn't sure how to go about that
[21:34] <upalipsu> here is the link - http://paste.ubuntu.com/1140063/
[21:37] <upalipsu> I looked it up, says a .sh is a shell script
[21:41] <Unit193> Normally run by doing  ./script.sh  if it has been marked executable.
[21:45] <stlsaint> upalipsu: you can run that with either command:
[21:45] <stlsaint> bash nameofscritp.sh
[21:45] <stlsaint> or ./nameofscript.sh
[21:45] <upalipsu> in the terminal you mean?
[21:46] <upalipsu> thank you for your help :)
[21:46] <upalipsu> does the install.sh have to be located on the desktop?
[21:48] <upalipsu> i'm at the ~ $ in the terminal with the install.sh on my desktop. It ready bash: ./install.sh: NO such file or directory
[21:54] <stlsaint> upalipsu: enter command
[21:54] <stlsaint> cd Desktop
[21:55] <stlsaint> upalipsu: OR...just right click the file...go to properties...go to "Permissions" tab and select the check box to make the file executable
[21:56] <stlsaint> then double click the file and select to run in terminal
[22:04] <upalipsu> Alright, I ran it. Terminal popped up and dissappeard very fast
[22:07] <upalipsu> so here's what I've been going off of: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1140100/
[22:07] <upalipsu> it's the how to install assistant.txt
[22:07] <upalipsu> I'm not very fluent yet with these commands and my orientation to the linux os/terminal os is very rudimentary
[22:10] <stlsaint> upalipsu: so what happens when you run the install.sh
[22:11] <upalipsu> the terminal pops up and closes as fast as it appears
[22:18] <upalipsu> Is there a simpler way to set up the server with FileZilla?
[22:22] <stlsaint> upalipsu: server is ubuntu 12.04?
[22:23] <upalipsu> i'm running ubuntu 12.04
[22:23] <upalipsu> server? in what context?
[22:23] <upalipsu> I wonder, there's no option for a remote desktop is there
[22:24] <stlsaint> upalipsu: are you running server or desktop with ubuntu 12.04?
[22:25] <upalipsu> desktop
[22:33] <upalipsu> I'm gonna have to get some O'Rielly books on linux and study/play and get really well versed in this stuff. It seems like a very productive way to spend some time on a machine
[22:38] <stlsaint> upalipsu: what way are you trying to install?
[22:38] <stlsaint> i have never used it but it should be simple
[22:39] <upalipsu> I'm not sure what that shell scrip does really, if it has a gui or not. I'm looking to use a simple gui to stream flies off the external hdd and read them onto the computer.
[22:39] <upalipsu> If a FTP does that better, I may have to try that.
[22:41] <upalipsu> The synology program offered on windows worked very nicely, opened in the web browser and had it's own virtual gui there. It let you connect directly and save the credentials so after each boot the system would connect you back to the server if it was running
[22:42] <upalipsu> I say server, but it's more like a duel hdd box set in RAID (one hdd is purely backup) and linked with eathernet to the comp
[22:44] <upalipsu> http://www.synology.com/us/products/DS211+/index.php
[22:45] <upalipsu> Not sure if I answered your question :/
[22:48] <upalipsu> I'm also beginning to think that 10.04 is the way to go as it has been supported longer.
[22:51] <stlsaint> upalipsu: 12.04 is a LTS also
[22:51] <stlsaint> due to time release you will get longer support from 12.04
[22:53] <upalipsu> huh, good deal
[22:53] <upalipsu> stlsaint, how long have you been using linux?
[23:09] <stlsaint> upalipsu: years
[23:09] <geirha> thousands of days
[23:10] <upalipsu> lol
[23:10] <upalipsu> any tips?
[23:10] <upalipsu> on how to learn quicly that is
[23:11] <stlsaint> forums
[23:11] <stlsaint> lots of reading
[23:11] <geirha> stay on irc 24/7, lose all notion of real life, try to figure out every problem you see
[23:11] <geirha> ... or that
[23:12] <upalipsu> are you guys running the desktop versions?
[23:13] <upalipsu> or, scratch that, if you could name 1 book to read for an absolute beginner
[23:13] <geirha> Joking aside, I believe you learn the most by hanging around on irc, the ubuntuforums, and/or askubuntu, asking questions and answering other's questions
[23:14] <stlsaint> geirha: +10
[23:14] <geirha> There's the ubuntu manual
[23:14] <stlsaint> upalipsu: do just what geirha just said
[23:14] <upalipsu> this is gonna sound like a very noob-ish question, but how do you view other chats in the irc? It seems like this is a certain channel here (this actual convo)
[23:14] <upalipsu> :)
[23:15] <stlsaint> this is one channel
[23:15] <stlsaint> no one else is chatting right now
[23:17] <upalipsu> does that mean I am the only beginner?
[23:17] <geirha> What irc client are you using?
[23:17] <upalipsu> i'm using the webchat.freenode.net
[23:17] <geirha> Ah, I'm not familiar with that one
[23:17] <upalipsu> Couln't figure out the Empathy because my pw was wrong apparently...
[23:18] <upalipsu> it runs through a webbrowser
[23:18] <stlsaint> upalipsu: only beginner?
[23:19] <stlsaint> no you are not, just the only person chatting
[23:19] <upalipsu> oh, so people leave their irc's up all the time?
[23:20] <geirha> Yes, there are various ways of being connected 24/7
[23:20] <upalipsu> fascinating
[23:21] <upalipsu> makes sense, everyone says linux machines can run for years without reboots
[23:22] <stlsaint> true
[23:23] <geirha> Though you'll generally want to reboot Ubuntu several times a year
[23:24] <geirha> There'll be the occational security fix for the kernel, which currently requires a reboot
[23:26] <upalipsu> correct me if i'm wrong, but linux seems to have a much closer relationship to the actual hardware and utalization of that hardware to it's fullest abilities than the other main contending os's
[23:27] <stlsaint> upalipsu: yes and no
[23:28] <stlsaint> linux doesn't read a harddrive better than windows exactly
[23:29] <geirha> The biggest drawback for linux is graphics drivers. The biggest manufacturers; nvidia and amd, provide really buggy drivers for linux unfortunately
[23:31] <geirha> Though the current work Valve is doing, might have the side-effect of more stable drivers
[23:31] <upalipsu> Yeah, I have a 9800gtx and upon clean installing ubuntu I was forced to get some updates in the low graphics environment, or terminal
[23:32] <upalipsu> what's valve currently up to?
[23:32] <geirha> porting steam to Ubuntu
[23:32] <upalipsu> Woo
[23:33] <upalipsu> They're quite the company, do you know they have no hierarchy in their workforce?
[23:33] <stlsaint> upalipsu: though you have the option of using a generic driver or proprietary one
[23:34] <geirha> http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/
[23:35] <geirha> Well, sometimes you don't have an option
[23:36] <stlsaint> aye
[23:36] <stlsaint> card and all
[23:40] <upalipsu> very interesting
[23:41] <upalipsu> good read, thank you
[23:43] <stlsaint> upalipsu: what brings you to linux?
[23:44] <upalipsu> I've had it with windows. Ran killdisk and fresh installed ubuntu
[23:44] <upalipsu> figured, heck, brave new world
[23:45] <stlsaint> wow, removed windows altogether?
[23:45] <upalipsu> yeah
[23:45] <stlsaint> upalipsu: you do know there are some things you wont be able to do fully in windows....mainly itunes :\
[23:45] <stlsaint> s/windows/linux/g
[23:45] <upalipsu> heh, i never enjoyed itunes much anyway
[23:46] <stlsaint> upalipsu: take a look into setting up virtual machines also. Lots of testing you can do with different distros, commands, etc without harming your host
[23:47] <geirha> LFS is a really good learning experience. Guides you through the process of making your own linux distro, step by step
[23:47] <stlsaint> geirha: oh geez, your talking a life long task there lol
[23:47] <stlsaint> Vampy: what was your question
[23:47] <geirha> Yeah, it sure is time consuming
[23:48] <upalipsu> LFS
[23:48] <stlsaint> geirha: i started it long time ago and just got winded within two days lol
[23:48] <stlsaint> upalipsu: LFS==Linux From Scratch
[23:48] <upalipsu> ah
[23:48] <upalipsu> looked up s/windows/linux/g
[23:48] <stlsaint> upalipsu: goest through the building of a linux system from scratch...LITERALLY....ground up
[23:48] <geirha> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[23:49] <stlsaint> upalipsu: lol
[23:49] <stlsaint> no no
[23:49] <geirha> Takes a lot of time to go through, but you learn how pieces fit together
[23:49] <stlsaint> upalipsu: that is apart of a command used to remove one string and replace it with another
[23:49] <upalipsu> oh lol
[23:50] <upalipsu> hey, I took a c++ class and dreded it, is linux any better than that horrid  program?
[23:50] <geirha> open a terminal and run    echo 'something windows something'
[23:50] <geirha> then run   echo 'something windows something' | sed 's/windows/linux/g'
[23:51] <Vampy> cn someone help me chek my master.cf and main.cf files.. i'm gettin error im not sure how to fix, heres the paste paste.ubuntu.com/1140194 and 114019
[23:52] <geirha> 114019 doesn't seem related to 1140194
[23:53] <Vampy> i'm also using Flurdy's Email Server Setup from here http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/
[23:53] <Vampy> 1140195 sorry
[23:53] <Vampy> thos are my master and main cfs for postfix
[23:54] <stlsaint> Vampy: mail issue?
[23:54] <Vampy> yea
[23:54] <upalipsu> tried the echo 'alphabet windows youtube' | sed 's/windows/inux/g' and it said aphabet linux youtube haha
[23:54] <Vampy> sorry i just realized i was postin in the wrong channel stl
[23:54] <stlsaint> Vampy: no this is right channel
[23:55] <stlsaint> upalipsu: LOL, leave s/windows/linux/g alone
[23:55] <Vampy> ok good
[23:55] <stlsaint> geirha: shame on you :P
[23:56] <stlsaint> Vampy: what errors are you getting?
[23:56] <Vampy> unused parameter error
[23:56] <Vampy> and alot of them :(
[23:56] <Vampy> this is my first server setup.
[23:57] <Vampy> wait. this is my first linux server setup
[23:58] <upalipsu> so the 's' and 'g' are like brackets
[23:58] <upalipsu> there's no manual entry for s or g
[23:58] <stlsaint> Vampy: have you tried postconf -nf
[23:58] <Vampy> paste.ubuntu.com/1140168
[23:58] <Vampy> i beliee that is just -n
[23:58] <geirha> upalipsu: http://xrl.us/sedintro#uh-0 is a good introduction to sed


[14:17] <kaushal> hi
[14:17] <persia> hey
[14:20] <kaushal> Is there a tool available to deploy same war to multiple tomcat server ?
[14:20] <kaushal> i came across http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/deployer-howto.html
[14:21] <kaushal> persia: please guide
[14:21] <persia> Sorry, I don't know.
[16:18] <kaushal> hi
[16:18] <kaushal> http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/deployer-howto.html
[16:18] <kaushal> I have questions about TCD
[16:18] <kaushal> please guide me to use it
[16:39] <kaushal> how to use it from command line ?


[00:10] <ChinnoDog> I want to use MariaDB but it takes up over twice as much memory as MySQL in my existing configuration
[00:18] <square-r00t> that is.. definitely wrong. it should use the same amount if not less
[00:23] <square-r00t> any esoteric tweaks in your my.cnf?
[00:23] <square-r00t> ssweeny: feel like reverse-engineering some embedded device's firmware for me?
[00:23] <square-r00t> http://www.clearwire.com/downloads/clearwire_<IP_ADDRESS>9_arm.ipk
[00:29] <square-r00t> actually, scratch that! looks like a standard .7z with tar!
[00:47] <ChinnoDog> square-r00t: It is not wrong. You can't disable Aria or InnoDB in MariaDB. I have mysql running in a low memory configuration using only 12mb of RAM.
[01:13] <square-r00t> right, i mean wrong as in "that should not happen"
[01:30] <ssweeny> square-r00t, you want me to reverse engineer their compression or the software itself?
[02:08] <InHisName> I'm back.  Now to test the username/pwd and whether my upload speed limits will choke the video to play.
[02:10] <jedijf> ssweeny: he got it
[02:10] <jedijf> 7zip and tar it's all uncompressed
[02:10] <ssweeny> well that's no fun
[02:12] <jedijf> debian too
[02:20] <InHisName> So, just what IS this file from clearwire good for ?    Is it for loading firmware on one of their devices ?
[02:45]  * InHisName yawns and does one lap around chair
[03:02] <ChinnoDog> square-r00t: I went back to mysql. Now running comfortably in 7-12mb of memory.
[03:47] <square-r00t> InHisName: yep. looks like openwrt whiterussian release at a glance
[03:48] <square-r00t> ChinnoDog: there's something super funky going on there
[10:27] <rmg51> Morning
[10:28] <JonathanD> Howdy.
[13:18] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[19:17] <InHisName> Ooops, I missed out on a 'good morning', so, good afternoon instead.


[00:01] <knome> 7msg VBB-VolleyballBa my size is A80. i hope you have a selection of bras for men as well.
[00:01] <knome> "oops"
[00:02] <Tm_T> hi to all log readers, hope you enjoy the show
[00:03] <knome> i'll go watch some dreams.
[00:03] <knome> good night everybody
[00:04] <Tm_T> sleep well
[00:12] <Flannel> Just got one from Arthur_Orson<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:12] <Flannel> Not even sure which channel he's in.  Wasn't #u
[00:13] <Flannel> Could be a proxy, I guess.
[00:23] <Flannel> more spam from the same IP
[01:18] <dhanesh1> hi bazhang
[01:19] <dhanesh1>  bazhang why are you not taking me in #ubuntu
[01:20] <Flannel> dhanesh1: Hi.  How can we help you today?
[01:21] <dhanesh1>  Flannel i cant enter in #ubuntu.the message is you are banned.
[02:14] <Flannel> I had to step out.
[02:15] <Flannel> Ubottu didn't see his ban (but it is in the BT).  A ban for ban evading, I don't see a ban he was evading though
[02:15] <Flannel> oh blah
[02:15] <Flannel> ubottu: forget didn't see his ban (but it
[02:15] <Flannel> Thanks ubottu
[02:25] <Tm_T> Flannel: we don't need factoids to everything ;-P
[02:25] <Flannel> Tm_T: I'll try and keep that in mind in the future
[02:28] <Tm_T> it's funny how it's easy to accidentally add factoid
[02:29] <Flannel> Almost be worth having a "undo the last factoid I added within the past 5 minutes" command
[02:29] <Flannel> since sometimes they're unusually stubborn to remove
[02:29] <Flannel> Then again, we've all gotten used to it, so probably moot
[02:56] <bazhang> acktic/ackt1c seems to be ban evading as well (not the first time)
[02:58] <Flannel> He was being random earlier, is he ban evading?
[02:59] <bazhang> the bt says so
[03:00] <Flannel> Oh wow, that's quite a laundry list
[03:01] <bazhang> still no response via PM
[05:29] <bazhang> act1c ban evading in -ot
[05:29] <bazhang> err ackt1c
[05:51] <elky> aktik being who?
[06:32] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: yesssss?
[06:32] <SpaceGhostC2C> Hey, is it cool for anyone who is in channel to post the log?
[06:33] <SpaceGhostC2C> namely, #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:33] <mneptok> it's uncool, but unenforceable.
[06:33] <SpaceGhostC2C> Like say, at their university?
[06:34] <SpaceGhostC2C> Anyways, thanks as usual
[06:58] <rww> Hello! The "Don't ask for operator privileges" section of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines should probably be updated to reflect that you no longer "ask the helpful and polite members of the chat whether they want to take on the responsibility" and instead have people, umm, ask for operator privileges.
[06:59] <rww> Well, apply. But I enjoy overstretching words for purposes of irony :(
[07:06] <mneptok> rww: the current call for ops is a temporary stop-gap measure necessary to fill ... well ... gaps.
[07:06] <rww> mneptok: It was my understanding that this new application system was permanent.
[07:07] <mneptok> dear God, i hope not.
[07:07] <mneptok> that's like strapping you face to an anthill and smothering your butt with jelly.
[07:08] <rww> mneptok: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements seems to think so, as does http://www.siltala.net/2010/03/24/ops-teams-applications-announcement/
[07:08] <imbrandon> hahaha
[07:08] <imbrandon> mneptok: hows things going
[07:09] <imbrandon> ugh actualy brb, time to reboot the new kernel
[07:09] <mneptok> imbrandon: bad this week. O'Reilly conf next week, and i've been buried. but atarting April 19 i have 2.5 weeks of vacation, and that will rock.
[07:09] <mneptok> bah
[07:09] <mneptok> tease
[07:10] <mneptok> rww: thanks for pointing out that new policy. i'll be in the upstairs closet, weeping gently and playing with my lower lip.
[07:11] <tritium> I did find it rather surprising, myself.
[07:16] <rww> mneptok: It's not all bad, I decided not to go through it, so you won't have to put up with me!
[07:16] <rww> Anyway, yes, guidelines page probably needs some poking. I will now return to my regularly scheduled -offtopic abuse.
[07:57] <elky> mneptok, i am of the same understanding as rww.
[07:58] <elky> mneptok, and to the best of my knowledge, it's a coerced policy change.
[10:18] <apparle> guys I am banned in kubuntu... why is it so?
[10:23] <elky> apparle, have you previously used another nickname?
[10:24] <apparle> apparle: means?
[10:24] <apparle> apparle: I only use apparle and apparle_
[10:27] <elky> Well I can't see what the problem is, so you'll have to wait around for someone who knows.
[10:28] <elky> apparle, what happens when you try joining #kubuntu?
[10:29] <apparle> elky: [15:25] == #kubuntu Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned
[10:29] <apparle> elky: if it matter.... I am using webchat.freenode.net
[10:29] <elky> i know you are.
[10:29] <elky> do you not get sent to #kubuntu-proxy-users ?
[10:32] <elky> tsimpson, are you around?
[10:33] <elky> apparle, if you go to #kubuntu-proxy-users and follow the instructions you'll get in
[10:34] <elky> le sigh
[10:34] <elky> kubuntu ops, i don't know why you have that as a non-forwarding ban, but please reconsider
[12:42] <tsimpson> elky: for some reason the forward part of the ban gets removed every now and then
[19:26] <ardchoille> It looks as though we have a bunch of folks in #ubuntu doing random text and/or testing the language triggers
[19:27] <ardchoille> A few need a hint like AcePreshaw and krnlngnu
[20:53] <MTecknology> I'm just curious about a couple things.. if somebody got banned from -offtopic for not agreeing with an op and was told it would be lifted after 24hr but then in the background it was decided to be indefinite, what would you guys think about that?
[20:55] <MTecknology> and, if somebody came in here asking if the actions of people in -offtopic represented the rest of the community< what would that response be?
[20:55] <tsimpson> I wouldn't be willing to speculate without specifics
[20:57] <MTecknology> the indefinite came because in pm the user said they are really upset with the way the ops handled things in the channel
[20:58] <tsimpson> what ban are we discussing here?
[20:58] <Tm_T> impossible to speculate without specifics
[20:59] <MTecknology> I was trying to leave you too many specifics - it's with the Gentoo guys - I just wanted to know how you guys would handle things
[20:59] <Tm_T> MTecknology: I would find out the facts and act then accordingly, really without specific information I wouldn't do anything other than perhaps look over more carefully
[20:59] <tsimpson> I would like to think we don't ban people for simply disagreeing with an op, only if channel rules are not respected
[20:59] <Tm_T> indeed
[21:01] <jussi01> we dont do time based bans...
[21:01] <Tm_T> that too
[21:01] <Tm_T> but that wasn't the point there, I suppose
[21:02] <MTecknology> that's pretty much what happened - i didn't agree, i walked away form the keyboard, came back with a ban, ask the op that banned me about out, he said that he'd take it off after 24hr, i said that i didn't agree that there was a ban at all because I stopped talking about it and the next day they decided it was indefinite
[21:02] <jussi01> MTecknology: go and talk about it with them. thats my best advice.
[21:02] <jussi01> be respectful
[21:04] <MTecknology> I've tried, hopped in #gentoo-userrel and talk to them too - it's like a brick wall - I took Gentoo off of all my servers and other systems - I just wanted to hear how it would be handled in ubuntu land
[21:05] <MTecknology> what about that second question? it's much less related
[21:06] <Tm_T> my opinion: -offtopic is a venting corner, not at all representing our community
[21:06] <tsimpson> -offtopic just a strange place generally
[21:07] <MTecknology> alrighty
[21:07] <MTecknology> thanks for putting up with my random questions :)
[21:59] <topyli> Tm_T, -ot is special of course, but it still represents our community, sadly
[21:59] <topyli> it is a core ubuntu channel
[22:00] <topyli> we could do better over there :)
[22:27] <jussi01> wolfie anyone?
[22:27] <jussi01> #wolfie ...
[22:27] <knome> what's that? :P
[22:28] <jussi01> knome: just a random irc game
[22:28] <knome> right
[23:16] <topyli> congratulations on your nerve control on -ot, Flannel :)


[09:33] <blahdeblah> Evening folks.  Anyone know of a volume meter for Ubuntu/Debian that will show me which devices/channels/sound systems actually have activity?  I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem where Adobe Connect works with my USB headset, but Exaile doesn't.
[21:12] <Aussierick> G'morning
[21:14] <Noskcaj> morning
[21:16] <Aussierick> I just installed ubuntu on my desktop last night, so far I am liking what I see
[21:17] <Noskcaj> good to hear
[21:18] <Aussierick> what I need tho is the documentation to learn more about it, would you have a link?
[21:20] <Noskcaj> i reccomend you use wiki.ubuntu.com if it doesn't work, ask on #ubuntu
[21:23] <Aussierick> I'll have a look
[21:24] <Aussierick> is there a beinners guide to ubuntu?
[21:25] <Aussierick> *beginners
[21:29] <Noskcaj> #ubuntu-neginners
[21:29] <Noskcaj> oops, #ubuntu-beginners
[21:30] <Noskcaj> i reccomend you ask all these questions on #ubuntu as many more people are there