[17:03] <falktx> i'm doing some experiments right now
[17:03] <falktx> what do you guys think about an ubuntustudio live dvd ?
[17:04] <falktx> (2.6.33-rt kernel)
[17:04] <holstein> falktx: i failed building a few
[17:05] <holstein> i have a friend in town here
[17:05] <falktx> holstein: i just make a testing kxstudio build now
[17:05] <holstein> he said he would help me
[17:05] <holstein> we just havent had time to get together
[17:05] <falktx> holstein: bad thing my laptop... cant boot USBs...!
[17:05] <falktx> i made a 64bit iso and now I can't test it
[17:06]  * falktx needs to buy a dvd-rw
[17:06] <holstein> yeah
[17:06] <holstein> i got a light-scribe external one
[17:06] <holstein> handy
[17:13] <holstein> hey guys
[17:13] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasksel/+bug/562706
[17:14] <holstein> this *has* been fixed, correct?
[17:14] <holstein> i'll mark it so...
[17:14] <persia> has it?
[17:16]  * persia knows GrueMaster is currently around, so may be able to replicate on whatever hardware was used, or share more information.
[17:17] <holstein> persia: i was assuming this it the installer bug
[17:17] <holstein> if you select a certain pacakge the installer fails
[17:17] <holstein> i bet i can find that one
[17:17] <holstein> and mark it a duplicate
[17:17] <holstein> at least
[17:18] <persia> Oh, maybe.  But the installer team hates it when folks merge bugs, because lots of times very similar things are different bugs (there are a lot of little sneaky bugs in the installer)
[17:19] <holstein> OK
[17:19] <holstein> i'll just email the list with a link
[17:19] <holstein> and let the chips fall where they may
[17:19] <persia> I'd just catch GrueMaster in #ubuntu-bugs, and ask if he can still replicate it, and close it if he can't.
[17:22] <holstein> hell
[17:22] <holstein> i can replicate it
[17:22] <holstein> i havent chosen any of those packages at install in years ;)
[17:23] <persia> So the default tasks for studio break?  We probably ought change the task to not include them.
[17:24] <holstein> sure
[17:24] <holstein> whatever it takes
[17:24] <holstein> last time i brought it up in here
[17:24] <holstein> it seemed like a well known issue
[17:24] <holstein> and a fix was in place for maverick
[17:24] <persia> Do the packages only not install in tasksel, or do they also not install with apt-get install?
[17:24] <persia> Well, maverick is what needs testing now.
[17:24] <holstein> after the install of the OS
[17:25] <holstein> everything seems fine
[17:25] <holstein> i did test it with an early maverick
[17:25] <holstein> and it was still doing it
[17:25] <holstein> but since then, i had mentioned it in here
[17:25] <persia> Oh, if it was broken, and now works, then it's probably fixed.
[17:26]  * persia apologises for the noise, and shuts up until common understandings are absorbed through idling a bit more
[17:27] <holstein> persia: nah
[17:28] <holstein> im glad your here :)
[17:28] <holstein> i havent had a successful test of it functioning as it should
[17:28] <holstein> yet
[17:28] <holstein> so its really more of a question
[17:28] <holstein> if its fixed in maverick
[17:28] <holstein> we can mark that bug accordingly though
[17:29] <falktx> last time I tried, the ubuntustudio installer complained about not finding the kernel
[17:29] <persia> Really?  That shouldn't happen.
[17:30] <falktx> that was some weeks ago though, in virtualbox
[17:31] <persia> even so, but sometimes the dailies are unstable.
[17:32] <holstein> falktx: maverick?
[17:32] <holstein> OH yeah
[17:32] <holstein> daily issue probably
[17:32] <holstein> persia: i think we should have a live disc
[17:32] <holstein> i went on about it in bugs just now ;)
[17:33] <persia> I saw.
[17:33] <persia> The fear has always been that the latency is so bad that audio folk will say US isn't any good.
[17:33] <persia> But talk to ScottL
[17:34] <holstein> did you ever check out the old dyne-bolic?
[17:34] <persia> Yep.
[17:34] <holstein> i was always surprised at the performance from it running live
[17:35] <holstein> i know we arent going to get that kind of performance
[17:36] <persia> Certainly not.  they stripped that down quite a bit to achieve that, and the software was all less bloated back then.
[17:40] <falktx> holstein: yes
[17:41] <holstein> hggdh: hey
[17:41] <hggdh> cheers
[17:42] <falktx> we could have a dialog pop-ing up in the live dvd, saying like: "this will get slow, install to get full-speed"
[17:47] <holstein> is there a dev mailing list?
[17:48] <persia> Yep.
[17:48]  * holstein found it
[17:49] <persia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-Studio-devel
[19:10] <troy_s> crimsun_: If you are around, I'd love to hear your thoughts on ratelimit.c supressed events and the correlation with a stuttery laggy system during those log postings.
[19:12] <troy_s> crimsun_: I don't think it is a culprit (although likely gets blamed) but certainly correlates with log outputs on supressed events... perhaps because of some other lag up?
[19:42] <scott-work> hi holstein , persia , troy_s  :)
[19:43] <holstein> scott-work: :)
[19:45] <troy_s> scott-work: Greets. How goes it.
[19:46] <scott-work> troy_s: 'tis okay, but work is making me slightly insane :/   grrrrrrrr
[19:47] <troy_s> scott-work: I believe that is the second Universal Truth(TM).  Most people are busy trying to do other things.
[19:53] <troy_s> (Which has a side tangent about bug reporting in Libre. It's goofy to assume that someone is going to put down _work_ and set aside _what they are doing_ to report a bug. Goofy. Stupid. Ridiculous. It is a problem that needs a well designed solution.)
[20:07] <scott-work> troy_s:  the more we make standardized drawings and designs the more simply studid and inattentive mistakes seemed to be made
[20:08] <scott-work> interestingly we have a bug report system also called Action Items
[20:08] <scott-work> since i'm in charge of the detailing department (and to a lesser degree the engineering department as a whole) I get to answer these
[20:08] <troy_s> scott-work: Personally "Bug Report Systems" should be an anachronism.
[20:09] <scott-work> LOL  i mispelled stupid earlier....is that meta-stupidity?
[20:09] <troy_s> Hyperreality perhaps.
[20:27] <scott-work> persia: as far as the live disc, i talked to luke about it as well, he seemed to think it would present some obstacles from a ISO building aspect
[20:27] <scott-work> not that it couldn't be done but that it might be putting additional work load on other peoples
[20:28] <scott-work> falktx builds his images himself, possibly with remastersys or something similar i believe
[20:28] <scott-work> holstein might be in a better position to explain how falktx builds his ISOs though than i
[20:31] <holstein> im taking it on as a learing project
[20:31] <holstein> so theres going to be an ubuntustudio live CD
[20:31] <holstein> and i'll put it up somewhere
[20:32] <holstein> and i'll be able to link to it in the support channel
[20:32] <holstein> scott-work: if you dont want to have it officially integrated, thats cool
[20:32] <holstein> i just know there is a need for it where i am
[20:32] <holstein> in the irc channel
[20:33] <holstein> so i dont have to say 'just blow out a partition, install, and some back in a couple hours, and we'll see if that device works for you'
[20:33] <holstein> OR suggest other live distros
[20:34] <scott-work> holstein:  i'm not really terribly adverse to it as i've mentioned before...i think it's a great PR aspect
[20:34] <holstein> cool
[20:34] <holstein> i want to know how to make iso's anyways
[20:34] <scott-work> but i'd rather focus first on tightening up the distro first
[20:34] <scott-work> as i mentioned to you before as well ;)
[20:34] <holstein> yeah
[20:34] <holstein> then you guys can do your thing
[20:35] <holstein> and the live disc is a community project
[20:37] <holstein> i totally dont want to pull any resources away to make it happen
[20:52] <scott-work> that would be sweet actually
[21:30] <scott-work> abogani: are you around?
[21:53] <persia> scott-work, Building a LiveCD only requires additional work from other folks if we don't have someone doing it.  Needs work in casper, ubiquity, livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage.  At least casper and ubiquity are fairly fast-moving targets: I know they consume about 50% of one of the Kubuntu folk.
[21:53] <persia> If there's a volunteer who's sufficiently dedicated, that becomes manageable.
[21:54] <persia> Oh, also requires slightly more than twice as much work from the testers.
[21:55] <scott-work> persia: and luke also mentioned that it would requires more time and load on the ISO building machines, i don't have a framework to quantify this though
[21:56] <persia> It does: and nobody except the cdimage folk can quantify that.  That said, we can always ask about space there: if we're serving a sufficient number of users, there may be space.
[22:10] <troy_s> persia: Some issues there - not the least of which is quantifying "sufficient number". Posting on touch points (Forums, UbuntuStudio.org, etc.) would probably be a good bit of research. Of course, people that answer polls tend to be of archetypes that answer polls so your data is biased out of the gate. Alas, that's the realm of sociologists.
[22:11] <persia> Since there are know sociologists among the cdimage folk, it tends to be based on having a sufficient subset of user who volunteer to take care of testing agressively :)
[22:29]  * scott-work is going home...yay!
[22:48] <troy_s> persia: Not so much the testing, but whether there are numbers to support it. I sincerely doubt, given the current state of uS, that there are.
[22:49] <troy_s> persia: I'd be most interested in some actual quantifiable bits of data regarding how many installs there are at the moment anyways. And within that, how many are just hobby installations and how many are people trying to create something.
[22:50] <troy_s> persia: As there is a huge gap there. If I had to wager 99% of most installations of _Desktop Linux_ are hobby / in-passing / non primary.
[22:50] <troy_s> (Or at least a ridiculously high value there)
[22:51] <persia> I'd agree that 99% of folks installing fall into that category, but I know folks that do >5000 installs daily, and I know that's not for hobby purposes.
[22:52] <persia> So I have no idea of the percentage in terms of number of users.
[22:52] <persia> Err, number of installs.
[23:18] <holstein> persia: im into learning and being that person
[23:19] <persia> OK.  You probably want to idle in #ubuntu-install, and start investigating the casper and ubiquity codebases.
[23:19] <persia> There should be a process to request stuff sanely by the time you get comfortable there.
[23:20] <persia> Given beta freeze, it's unlikely anything official can happen before natty opens, but you can at least start playing around with the code, and seeing how it works.
[23:21] <holstein> persia: i just want to do one for the LTS really
[23:21] <holstein> but id like to learn
[23:21] <persia> No chance of that, officially.
[23:22] <holstein> true
[23:22] <persia> But if you get one working in natty, you can then refine it so it's not unpleasant to use for natty+1, and probably have something in good shape for the next LTS.
[23:22] <holstein> that works
[23:22] <holstein> is it #ubuntu-install?
[23:24] <holstein> persia: i'll find it
[23:24]  * holstein gotta go to dinner
[23:24] <holstein> thanks
[23:24] <persia> #ubuntu-inseraller
[23:25] <persia> Err, #ubuntu-installer
[23:25] <persia> Sorry
[23:25] <holstein> persia: AH
[23:25] <holstein> im there now
[23:25] <persia> Yeah.  Time for food :)


[05:19] <guiverc> A live QA-test has a different background to an installed system?  (hirsute)    I like it if intentional, but just unexpected..
[05:32] <JackFrost> Seems odd, or I forgot.  Is one blue and the other gray with "broken" bits?
[05:34] <guiverc> yeah the grey-broken-bits fits live (and behind the try-install question early) .. bright-blue fits the installed screen
[05:36]  * guiverc likes the icons
[05:36] <JackFrost> Heh, well glad someone does.
[05:36]  * guiverc found them, with bright-blue background nice & cheery on new install
[06:06] <jphilips> bluesabre: thanks. will check the doc.
[12:45] <bluesabre> JackFrost: built, installed, and tested the docs on hirsute, looks good to me
[14:59] <krytarik> bluesabre: Fwiw, earlier today I've also indicated elsewhere that while the needed changes in the target dependencies are mildly funny, I think they look reasonably fine..
[15:25] <bluesabre> :D
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[01:00] <SturmFlut> Hm, Little Kernel seems to tell me that my krillin display runs at 66.57 FPS?
[01:02] <nhaines> That's fast enough for Super Tux Kart!
[01:13] <SturmFlut> nhaines: I wonder why that information is important enough to be passed to the kernel, and why it's not 60 FPS
[04:59] <dj> i just installed cinnamon on my computer and it is running in software rendering mode how do i get out of software rendering mode
[06:47] <Niber> Is there any simpler howto for writing a scope than the official one?
[08:44] <SturmFlut> The speaker of my MX4 makes a clicking noise sometimes
[08:54] <SturmFlut> popey: Ping
[08:55] <alin> is it possible to have the tools from  https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ubuntu/tools working on other linux distros?
[09:17] <svij> hm… doesn't ubuntu phone support bluetooth headsets?
[09:20] <SturmFlut> svij: It should, but the Bluetooth layer seems to be quite picky.
[09:20] <svij> I can't connect to two different bluetooth headset/receiver things
[09:21] <svij> from my mx4, didn't test with E4.5 and E5
[09:22] <SturmFlut> It's most likely the same on all three devices, people have been having lots of problems with Bluetooth
[09:22] <svij> yay :-/
[09:22] <svij> is there a bug report?
[09:34] <alin> when I activate the usb tether... I cannot receive calls is this normal?
[09:34] <alin> I am using enable rndis
[09:35] <SturmFlut> svij: I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1435040 is a good start
[09:36]  * svij doesn't have a car.
[09:38] <SturmFlut> svij: It might be the same profile, not all cars use the Hands-Free Profile, I've seen some show up as Headset Profile
[09:43] <svij> my phones doesn't even show up the bluetooth devices
[09:44] <SturmFlut> That's odd, my krillin at least talks to the Surround receiver via A2DP
[09:44] <svij> A2DP?
[09:45] <alin> data connection seems to be enabled even if dataroaming is disabled... i use a british sim in ireland so I am in roaming
[09:45] <alin> this shall not happen
[09:45] <popey> morning all
[09:46] <SturmFlut> alin: Does the phone display the data symbol besides the roaming symbol?
[09:46] <SturmFlut> popey: o/
[09:46] <popey> SturmFlut: pong
[09:47] <SturmFlut> popey: I hit 15 articles last night ;)
[09:47] <popey> heh :)
[09:47] <alin> SturmFlut: yes but data roaming is disabled
[09:47] <SturmFlut> alin: That's not right, no
[09:48] <alin> SturmFlut: seems not good thing eu forced them to lower the prices
[09:49] <mr-tt> hi
[09:50] <mr-tt> how can i display a notification(and delete it if that's possible) in an utouch qt app?
[09:50] <SturmFlut> mr-tt: While the app is running in the background?
[09:51] <mr-tt> SturmFlut: yep (tweakgeek should keep it running from what i heard :)
[09:55] <SturmFlut> mr-tt: The account-polld uses a D-Bus API, I don't know if there's a Qt object which wraps that
[10:10] <DanChapman> mr-tt take a look at the push server guide for sending notifications via dbus https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/push-notifications-server-guide/
[10:34] <popey> DanChapman: every time I open dekko I'm amazed how far it's come.
[10:35] <popey> DanChapman: almost a year since http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/2014/device-2014-08-22-142617.png
[10:35] <Walex2> svij: BlueTooth does not work for me either.
[10:37] <DanChapman> popey: thanks! it's changed quite alot since that first release. I just looked and it was a year ago yesterday I uploaded that first click :-)
[10:38] <popey> time flies :)
[10:38] <DanChapman> it does indeed. :)
[10:38]  * popey finds http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2014/07/2014-07-05-100001/com.ubuntu.developer.dpniel.dekko_0.2_armhf.click
[10:40] <popey> 12MB -> 20MB
[10:41] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: Ping
[10:43] <DanChapman>  popey awesome I was just looking to see if i could find that click! the oldest I have is 0.2.9.
[10:43] <popey> I am a hoarder
[10:43] <popey> these are all the ones I have http://paste.ubuntu.com/11820132/
[10:44] <mr-tt> DanChapman: thanks. does that also work on the desktop ubuntu? when i run the com.ubuntu.Postal.Post example there i get an error The name com.ubuntu.Postal was not provided by any .service files
[10:44] <DanChapman> popey: heh that's all of them :-D
[10:44] <SturmFlut> I just had a complete UI freeze on krillin, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1465826 , nothing specific in the log files and contrary to what other people see the watchdog restarted everything after a couple of seconds
[10:44] <popey> \o/
[10:44] <popey> SturmFlut: anything in /var/crash?
[10:46] <DanChapman> mr-tt: nope that's phone/unity8 specific. For normal desktop you would want libnotify
[10:46] <SturmFlut> popey: Yeah, looks like Unity8 and media-hub-server died at the exact same moment. I'll wade through the crash dumps, it's over two megabytes in total
[10:46] <popey> k
[10:49] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/graph_clicks.png still climbing which is good :)
[10:50] <SturmFlut> popey: _usr_bin_media-hub-server.32011.crash contains a coredump, but I don't see *.uploaded files for those two dumps. Can I trigger an upload?
[10:51] <popey> you can
[10:51] <popey> there is a whoopsie-upload-all somewhere, not in the path
[10:53] <SturmFlut>  /usr/share/apport/whoopsie-upload-all
[10:53] <popey> thats it, part of the apport package
[10:53] <popey> i can never remember where it is, because its an odd placefor that to be
[10:54] <SturmFlut> it only seems to mark the files for upload, which they already were.
[10:57] <popey> are you on wifi?
[10:57] <popey> it wont upload if not i think
[10:57] <SturmFlut> Err, true
[11:00] <SturmFlut> Can I link to this upload from the bug report?
[11:56] <mr-tt_> how can i install packages(dependencies) in a click build target?
[11:57] <mr-tt_> when i click the maintain button in ubuntu sdk, a terminal window opens but immediately closes again :/
[12:05] <mr-tt_> hum sounds like you shouldn't put deps in the chroot anyway..
[12:06] <mr-tt_> but how then?
[12:18] <mr-tt> when i enter the chroot i don't seem to get a new rootfs, i don't think i can compile+install the deps easily then
[12:36] <mr-tt> i tried executing the com.ubuntu.Postal.Post command from https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/push-notifications-server-guide/ on the phone, but i see no notification. what am i doing wrong?
[12:46] <mr-tt> does the openstore or some of its apps change the rootfs?
[12:47] <mr-tt> mzanetti: ^
[12:47] <mzanetti> mr-tt not on its own... tweakgeek has options to do so
[12:48] <mr-tt> mzanetti: does it change rootfs if i use tweakgeek to not pause some background apps?
[12:48] <mzanetti> no
[12:53] <mr-tt> mzanetti: i can't find the openstore in the app drawer, what name has it?
[12:54] <mr-tt> ah got it
[13:07] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: I
[13:07] <SturmFlut> ups
[13:08] <mzanetti> wat?
[13:08] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: I triggered an UI freeze on krillin and uploaded the crash dumps, how can I link to them? I only see them on my phone.
[13:09] <mzanetti> can't you copy paste the link somehow?
[13:15] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: Ha, I can't even look at them myself ;)
[13:35] <mr-tt> can someone help me get notifications to work? i used the sample to register and to send a message, but nothing: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/push-notifications-server-guide/
[14:26] <mr-tt> judging by the source of dekko it's WAY too hard to send a notification imho. can we please get notification-send back?
[14:27] <jrbt> Hello.
[14:27] <jrbt> I have an issue with my Ubuntu Click install
[14:28] <jrbt> I've test to install a kit (ubuntu 15.04 armhf kit) from the ubuntu-sdk to develop Ubuntu Touch app.
[14:28] <jrbt> and I have had:
[14:28] <jrbt> bt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11821038/
[14:36] <brunch875> jgdx: ping
[14:39] <popey> jrbt: what version of ubuntu you running?
[14:40] <jrbt> popey,  I am using 15.04
[14:40] <popey> hmm
[14:40] <popey> might need to ping bzoltan_ or zbenjamin when they're around on monday...
[14:40] <jrbt> ok, but the kernel may broke that?
[14:41] <jrbt> I use the 4.1.1.
[14:41] <jrbt> But I didn't worked with the default before (3.19)
[14:41] <jrbt> it*
[14:42] <popey> ah
[14:42] <brunch875> 'android-gadget-service enable rndis' is pretty fantastic. There should be a slider under settings or something
[14:42] <popey> yeah, you probably need stock kernel
[14:54] <mr-tt> brunch875: what is that?
[14:54] <brunch875> it basically enables me to use internets on my laptop from phone
[14:55] <brunch875> from what I know rndis enables ethernet over USB
[15:02] <taiebot> mm this morning managed to get the lock screen blocked and rotated could not do anything my password is using some of the numbers which were below the screen =-O http://uppix.com/f-screenshot2015075597f57900195644.png
[15:03] <taiebot> http://uppix.com/f-screenshot2015075597f5a300195645.png
[15:03] <taiebot> I am not sure i like the rotation of the shell so many little UX bug to solve
[15:20] <robin-hero> Hey! Is the new Vivid based Ubuntu Toch also get updated langpacks by automatically?
[15:23] <SturmFlut> robin-hero: Translations are part of the component they belong to. System components will get translation updates, new keyboard layouts etc. with OTA updates. Apps have to ship their own.
[15:25] <robin-hero> SturmFlut: Sorry, I think you misunderstanded me. I saw the new changelogs, but I can't find langpacks updates. Maybe it isn't setup to update automatically..
[15:27] <SturmFlut> robin-hero: What is a langpack for you in this context?
[15:27] <robin-hero> I f I am right, the last langpacks updates are from 13th of May: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20150513.changes
[15:29] <robin-hero> I don't see any other langpack related update in the newer changelogs
[15:29] <SturmFlut> krillin OTA-4 shipped with 1:15.04+20150608
[15:30] <robin-hero> Hmm. But why it aren't included in the changelogs?
[15:30] <robin-hero> *isn't
[15:30] <mr-tt> is it possible to run binaries located in /home/phablet from terminal app without ssh?
[15:33] <SturmFlut> mr-tt: I get a "Permission denied" when I try to
[15:34] <mr-tt> SturmFlut: yep, me too, i'm looking for a way around that
[15:34] <SturmFlut> robin-hero: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/vivid/20150608.1.changes
[15:35] <SturmFlut> mr-tt: Looks like AppArmor prevents it
[15:35] <DanChapman> IIRC it should work if you place it in /home/phablet/bin/*
[15:36] <mr-tt> DanChapman: can i also link it there?
[15:36] <DanChapman> mr-tt: no idea, give it a try :-)
[15:37] <SturmFlut> DanChapman: Doesn't work here
[15:38] <mr-tt> DanChapman: copying seems to work :)
[15:38] <mr-tt> or am i looged in to ssh?
[15:38] <mr-tt> guess so
[15:38] <mr-tt> yep, doesn't work
[15:41] <mr-tt> mzanetti: is anyone working on an unconfined terminal app?
[15:41] <jrbt> popey, thanks! I have reinstalled the default kernel and the click installation has worked :)
[15:45] <svij> mr-tt: I'm not suer, but it seems you that it is this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1443591
[15:45] <robin-hero> SturmFlut: Ohh, I'm blind, thanks :D
[15:47] <mr-tt> svij: no, i think that's some other bug, it neither works with an extra dot
[15:48] <svij> mr-tt: too bad.
[15:55] <popey> jrbt: yay
[15:59] <popey> svij: mr-tt that bug is marked as fixed but it isn't
[16:00] <svij> I see
[16:03] <robin-hero> Where can I find the keyboard layouts for the ubuntu keyboards? On Launchpad?
[16:07] <popey> lp:ubuntu-keyboard
[16:09] <robin-hero> popey: Thanks :)
[16:10] <Talustus> anyone else having problems syncing source tree from code-review
[16:13] <popey> Talustus: what command you issuing ?
[16:14] <Talustus> repo sync -j2
[16:14] <Talustus> syncs fine till prebuilts/sdk then keeps hanging there forever
[16:16] <Talustus> phablet-4.4.2_r1 branch
[16:16] <popey> i dunno, sometimes that box goes dead
[16:16] <robin-hero> Any progress with this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1467865 ?
[16:16] <popey> and we have to get IS to restart it
[16:16] <robin-hero> I think it is high prioirty.
[16:18]  * popey tries it
[16:31] <mr-tt> how can i install deps in the utouch schroot? simply make+make install?
[16:39] <popey> mr-tt: apt-get :)
[16:40]  * popey attempts to run his newly made emulator
[16:41] <taiebot> No one had the same problem as me. Lockscreen blocked in landscape mode and i could not type my password. http://uppix.com/f-screenshot2015075597f5a300195645.png
[16:42] <popey> taiebot: you can't swipe that away?
[16:43] <brunch875> popey: I think he means to use the bottom numbers which aren't shown in landscape mode
[16:43] <brunch875> 7 8 9
[16:43] <popey> I can't even get my device into landscape mode in lock screen
[16:44] <taiebot> popey no i could open the indicators but i could not type either numbers 0 1 2 or 3
[16:44] <popey> it flips back to portait
[16:44] <taiebot> popey it did not
[16:44] <taiebot> popey it was locked
[16:45] <ProstheticS> hey guys, im using a meizu mx4 ubuntu, my battery meter seems to lock up constantly, i have to reboot to get a re-read, is there some way to reset the service or soemthing , im fine with having to run a terminal command to do so
[16:45] <taiebot> popey: do not know how it happened just took my phone out of my pocket it was like this in landscape mode and could not type my password. I had to reboot
[16:46] <popey> how strange
[16:46] <popey> ProstheticS: i think the battery gauge is a bit flaky on mx4
[16:47] <ProstheticS> so... its always gonna be like that,IE hardware fault, so no software fix?
[16:48] <mr-tt> popey: the package i need is in the repo, but not built against qt5, so i would have to build myself.
[16:48] <ProstheticS> the other problem, im told for phablet-tools to work i need to first get adb working (assuming this isnt only for ex-android devices) and no matter what usb i plug it into, its not showing in adb devices :( any tips, i have dev mode set to on
[16:49] <popey> try a usb 1 hub or another cable?
[16:49] <popey> it's very picky
[16:49] <popey> taiebot: looks like a bug :)
[16:50] <taiebot> popey: yeah i think so
[16:51] <ProstheticS> righto, i'll keep trying other kit to get it going, ive tried a few cables, and basically every port on my laptop / hubs :( so the battery thing is a hardware thing then??
[16:52] <popey> no, software
[16:52] <popey> I think we have a few battery related issues lined up to fix
[16:52] <mr-tt> popey: if it would be a "normal" chroot with a new rootfs i would just run make install, but when i enter the schroot it shows the main systems rootfs, how can i install it anyway?
[16:53] <ProstheticS> ohhhhh , good :) i wouldnt want to have it like this permanently is all, im happy enough to reboot every day at the moment, or to even cron/script something to kick some services in the guts every few hours if thats possible,
[16:53] <popey> mr-tt: this thing needs porting to qt5?
[16:54] <mr-tt> popey: it's ported, but not compiled against qt5 in ubuntu/debian
[16:54] <mr-tt> it needs >qt4.5 or qt5.*
[16:55] <popey> ah
[16:55] <popey> so yeah, I'd make a schroot and build in that
[16:55] <popey> (or in a ppa) :)
[16:55] <ProstheticS> last question before i leave you guys alone, how often are the images pushed to devices? or how often is it planned. Regardless, great job, im enjoying my phone so far :)
[16:55] <popey> ppa means you don't do the work, launchpad does
[16:55] <popey> ProstheticS: roughly monthly
[16:55] <taiebot> trying to run a script but  in ofono folders ./test-stk-menu but i think it needs access to some folder and the script fall
[16:55] <mr-tt> popey: how do i install it in the schroot? simply make install?
[16:56] <ProstheticS> oh thats an awesome update frequency for phones, righto, well im outski :) thanks
[16:56] <popey> I would build a debian package, personally
[16:56] <popey> ProstheticS: thanks for dropping by
[16:56] <mr-tt> popey: hum ok. hope that's not too hard to modify the package to build against qt5
[16:57] <popey> is it a commonly used package?
[16:57] <popey> has nobody else ported it?
[16:58] <mr-tt> popey: debian hasn't and it's not common i think
[16:58] <popey> good luck! :D
[16:58] <popey> well volunteered
[17:02] <mr-tt> popey: about the battery issues: is it normal that the battery indicator doesn't decrease while not using the phone? (on a bq)
[17:02] <popey> not sure I understand
[17:02] <popey> robin-hero: yeah, emulator just black here too
[17:03] <mr-tt> popey: phone at x% battery phone lies around for ~half a day. phone still at x% battery
[17:03] <robin-hero> popey: I would like to develop an app, but I can't test it on emulator bacause this issue...
[17:04] <robin-hero> I think it isn't a good sign for developers
[17:05] <popey> yeah, i agree
[17:05] <popey> i dunno who to poke about it.
[17:05] <popey> will poke someone on monday.
[17:06] <mr-tt> popey: do you know about anyone else having the same issue, or how to fix it? would suck if it's hardware issue
[17:06]  * popey marks the bug high
[17:06] <robin-hero> popey: Thanks ;)
[17:06] <popey> mr-tt: thats a good thing surely?
[17:07] <popey> battery doesn't drain, how is that bad?
[17:07] <mr-tt> popey: well it drains immediately to zero in the end, so it does drain. it just isn't displayed
[17:07] <popey> oh okay. not seen that
[17:07] <popey> is there a bug filed for it?
[17:08] <mr-tt> popey: *checking*
[17:08] <popey> my battery gauge is completely blank! :S
[17:08] <popey> "Las full charge 78 hours ago", 57%
[17:09]  * popey goes to light the bbq
[17:10] <mr-tt> popey: can't find a bug for it
[17:13] <mr-tt> popey: is there something like batterystats.bin that i could delete to reset the batterystats?
[17:19] <mr-tt> wonder if it's hardware, software or config(batterystats) issue. but doesn't seem like anyone has the same issue
[17:24] <mr-tt> from what i read it could very well be a software issue(calculating the wrong energy it takes to idle)
[17:44] <mr-tt> i can't run qmake in the chroot, anyone knows why?
[17:45] <mr-tt> "/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/bin/qmake: No such file or directory", despite it exists
[18:49] <mr-tt> i'm trying to run an application from the terminal but it says it can't connect to mir server. do i have to set some var or something?
[18:52] <ProstheticS> hey guys, i have a meizu mx4 ubuntu edition, if i remount root as writeable doing a sudo mount command, then reboot, are updates still disabled, i understand that when i get an update , it will blow away my changes, so im happy to have that be the case, i just dont want to break my ability to update
[18:53] <ProstheticS> i want to put a ringtone in the ringtone folder and apt-get a certain termianl utility or 4, then make it read only again
[18:53] <ProstheticS> if i get an update, i'll just redo my changes afterward :D
[19:00] <EdwardMorbius> SturmFlut I saw your reply on the bug report I posted, I have new logs with new errors XD
[19:23] <mr-tt> ProstheticS: don't do it
[19:23] <mr-tt> using apt-get and changing too much might break updates
[19:23] <mr-tt> and brick the device, making it necessary to reflash
[19:24] <ProstheticS> mr-tt i thought updates were static images? IE everything is replaced
[19:25] <ProstheticS> i dont plan on doing an apt-get upgrade or somehing, just want a few utilities, and ofc, to add some ringtones :)
[19:25] <mr-tt> ProstheticS: don't know for sure, but maybe only the new files are replaced
[19:25] <SturmFlut> EdwardMorbius: I triggered a freeze today while I was attached via phablet-shell and uploaded some crash logs
[19:25] <mr-tt> i read it bricked for some people, probably because they used apt
[19:26]  * lotuspsychje would love to see terminal apps on touch in the future
[19:26] <mr-tt> lotuspsychje: in the app drawer you mean?
[19:26] <SturmFlut> lotuspsychje: What kind of terminal apps exactly?
[19:26] <EdwardMorbius> SturmFlut so you managed to reproduce it, are your logs in another report? I dont see them in the bug where I posted mine
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> SturmFlut: nmap,wireshark,whatever we use in ubuntu
[19:27] <SturmFlut> EdwardMorbius: They have been uploaded to errors.ubuntu.com and are private, they contain Core Dumps
[19:28] <EdwardMorbius> SturmFlut oh ok. I hope they will help to trace the source of these freezes
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> mr-tt: no, more like a jailed enviroment where terminal packages cant harm
[19:37] <SturmFlut> lotuspsychje: nmap is already in the store with a GUI (Network Scanner), Wireshark has a GUI
[19:37] <mr-tt> when are the experts who know how to run an app from terminal in mir here?
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> SturmFlut: oh really?
[19:38] <mr-tt> i managed to create a desktop file and launch this, it loads shortly in terminal but it doesn't show up
[19:44] <mr-tt> lotuspsychje: i'd like to see terminal apps in the app drawer, so you can quicker launch/close them
[19:52] <tathhu> made a .desktop-icon?
[19:52] <tathhu> ok doesn't that require r/w..
[19:54] <mr-tt> mzanetti: i installed kodimote but i get "connection refused" error despite kodi setup according to instructions
[19:55] <ProstheticS> if its anything like most linux desktops you could place it in your home dir ~/.local/share/applications tathu
[19:55] <ProstheticS> i'de assume
[19:57] <mr-tt> mzanetti: solved. restarted kodi, now it works :)
[19:57] <TomLee> Hello there
[19:57] <TomLee> Was wondering if someone could direct me to a ubuntu touch scope creation begginers guide
[19:57] <TomLee> Got the SDK set up
[19:58] <tathhu> ProstheticS: yeah, might be. :D
[20:08] <DanChapman> TomLee: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/scopes/tutorials/ is a good place to start. Some good tutorials/examples there
[20:10] <TomLee> DanChapman: Checked it out, there's one thing, not sure if it will give me trouble about it
[20:10] <TomLee> https://developer.ubuntu.com/static/devportal_uploaded/47017daf-1c24-45a6-8ea5-3b6fbd26d508-cms_page_media/148/scope_wizard1-700x435.png
[20:10] <TomLee> the selection shows to mne "Unity Scope (cmake)
[20:10] <TomLee> the selection shows to mne "Unity Scope (cmake)"
[20:12] <DanChapman> TomLee: did you install the sdk from the ppa?
[20:12] <TomLee> yeah
[20:13] <ProstheticS>  anyone wanna give me more concrete, if i sudo remount writable my meizu mx4, make a couple of changes (import a ringtone or two, install a few terminal utilities, and then reboot to make it writable, will my updates be busted, from what ive been told next tiem i get an update i may have to remake my changes, i just dont wanna be stuck un-updateable
[20:13] <TomLee> after that step it gives me CMakeLists with kits, and nothing about it was given in the guide
[20:14] <TomLee> From what I've read in the docs, after making it writable, you can't get updates. You'll have to reset(?) it, then get updates
[20:16] <TomLee> http://askubuntu.com/questions/600065/consequences-of-using-apt-get-in-ubuntu-touch
[20:17] <DanChapman> TomLee well you will need the kit to compile the scope. There's a good blog post here about kits https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/03/18/everything-you-always-wanted-know-about-kits-were-afraid-ask/
[20:18] <DanChapman> once you have them setup then you should be fine and the tutorials should just work
[20:19] <TomLee> Thanks! This is what I've been missing!
[20:20] <mr-tt> TomLee: you can still get updates, but they might break something
[20:21] <mr-tt> small changes to rootfs should be ok, but using apt i wouldn't recommend
[20:23] <mr-tt> let's say apt creates 5 new files. out of these 5 2 get overwritten by an update. so you have 3 files floating around the system doesn't know about, or worse, they might interfere with it. (if the update works this way, that is)
[20:25] <ProstheticS> also, for whatever reason, ive tried every usb port, every cable, every usb hub, i cannot get my phone to be detected by adb, and hence cant make it writable using phablet-tools, is there any reason not to use sudo mount -o remounte ro rararara?
[20:27] <mr-tt> ProstheticS: i used that, actually
[20:28] <mr-tt> sudo mount -o remount,rw /  then do your changges and then  sudo mount -o remount,ro /
[20:28] <ProstheticS> winner, perhaps i'll install the utils i want manually and put them in my home directory, just update bashrc to have that in path, so i dont use apt, and just place my ringtones in root
[20:28] <ProstheticS> dunno, but either way, imma be opening it to writes at some point, and cant get adb :)
[20:29] <mr-tt> remember that you need to enable/use ssh to run binaries in /home
[20:29] <ProstheticS> already have
[20:29] <ProstheticS> :)
[20:29] <mr-tt> and about the ringstones: is there no way to put them in home?
[20:30] <mr-tt> or some builtin way via gui?
[20:30] <ProstheticS> no idea, i havent found one
[20:30] <ProstheticS> but i have found where on the rom the current ones live :D
[20:31] <mr-tt> https://askubuntu.com/questions/372759/ringtones-in-ubuntu-touch
[20:31] <mr-tt> hum ok looks like they have to be on /
[20:33] <mr-tt> looks to me like it shouldn't interfere with updates, adding a ringtone
[20:34] <ProstheticS> if the updates are flat overwriting images, nothing really will , so long as you're still able to receive the update
[20:36] <mr-tt> ProstheticS: i changed a file and the change was preserved through the update afaik
[20:42] <ProstheticS> eh, once i manage to get adbworking finally i'll be able to falsh a stock image should i screw anything up anyhow.
[20:44] <mr-tt> ProstheticS: have you added the device id to the adb ini file already?
[20:45] <ProstheticS> ?? can you link me to a tutorial
[20:46] <mr-tt> ProstheticS: https://askubuntu.com/questions/632444/meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-not-mounting-as-usb-drive-and-not-available-to-adb
[20:48] <mr-tt> add 0x2a45 to ~/.android/adb_usb.ini and restart/kill adb-server
[20:58] <SturmFlut> sergiusens: Ping
[21:04] <tathhu> But höh, my jolla is working again :C
[21:04] <tathhu> -but
[21:17] <ProstheticS> well that got me part of teh way, adb is now functional, phablet-config writable-image still doesnt work :p
[21:17] <ProstheticS> i'll do the sudo mount rara instead.
[21:18] <ProstheticS> i wanna install sshfs :( but that'll pull in heaps of changes i imagine
[21:18] <ProstheticS> lol
[21:49] <tathhu> unless someone wants to trade aquaris for jolla +tohkbd :P
[22:14] <Matlib> Hello
[22:14] <Matlib> wanted to report a tiny bug
[22:15] <Matlib> doing apt upgrade totally wrecks aquaris
[22:15] <Matlib> :)
[22:15] <Matlib> I'm reflashing it for the second time in 2 days right now
[22:16] <Matlib> there's a success story as well as I managed to start sort of wifi hotspot on it
[22:21] <studio_> hi all
[22:23] <studio_> are there some news about convergence and thunderbird for the UT-Device?
[22:24] <Matlib> hey ho
[22:25] <Matlib> TB is being ported to the phone?
[22:26] <mcphail> studio_: what news were you thinking of?
[22:27] <studio_> you can install it, but without xmir it is not working, that is my last stand for information ...
[22:27] <studio_> right?
[22:27] <mcphail> studio_: Have you installed it?
[22:29] <studio_> yes, month ago ... but i am still on lollipop on my bq e4.5 since it is out. also sip is working now on the e4.5
[22:29] <tathhu> Anyway, put my jolla for sale, going full yo.. ubuntu.
[22:29] <mcphail> studio_: and how did you install it?
[22:29] <studio_> mkt-flash-tools
[22:29] <mcphail> studio_: link?
[22:30] <studio_> from bq direct
[22:30] <mcphail> studio_: thought you were talking about installing thunderbird?
[22:30] <studio_> waht do you need, for windows or linux?
[22:31] <studio_> ahh
[22:31] <studio_> i installed via apt-get install thunderbird
[22:31] <studio_> same as vlc an firefox
[22:32] <mcphail> studio_: well, as you know, that wouldn't be expected to work, would it?
[22:32] <studio_> mcphail, i know, xmir is missing, therfore i asked for "news"
[22:34] <mcphail> rather odd to ask. Was there any hint of a thunderbird port?
[22:37] <studio_> mcphail, i am using Ubuntu and Debian, i do not like to "port" something, i am a user. an "one" problem i have is, that GPG or SMIME is not working under UT eMail
[22:38] <studio_> i fixed that under android with k9
[22:42] <studio_> so, convergence means for me, that i can handle encrypted emails also under UT-Devices. therefore i asked for "news".
[22:48] <studio_> ok, seems to be, that it needs more time ...
[22:48] <mcphail> i would have thought so
[22:49] <studio_> btw. news, is the bq M5.5 the next ubuntu device from bq?
[22:53] <mcphail> What does the M5.5 have? is that the 4G one?
[22:56] <studio_> mcphail, it is hard to find "new" data about that phone, old data said it is the same cpu as the m5 is using, same is about the ROM 16/32 and the RAM 2/3GB. but i can't beleve, that the different is "only" 0.5 inches ...
[22:58] <studio_> hi john :)
[22:59] <mcphail> I suppose similar hardware must make it easier to port
[23:01] <mcphail> And if there are few bars for porting, it makes sense to diversify
[23:01] <studio_> mcphail, you are Michael Hall?
[23:01] <mcphail> studio_: no
[23:02] <studio_> ok
[23:02] <mcphail> studio_: type "/whois mcphail". I don't keep my identity secret :)
[23:03] <mcphail> studio_: I have no connection to Ubuntu or Canonical. I just hang out here because I like the phone
[23:04] <studio_> this irc is funny, it also doesn't support PGP ant it is logged ... "lol"
[23:07] <studio_> mcphail, what "phone", handheld-pc are you using?
[23:09] <mcphail> studio_: bq 4.5
[23:09] <studio_> did you tried lollipop on it?
[23:10] <mcphail> studio_: no interest in doing that. My Samsung S3 is gathering dust
[23:12] <studio_> you have to try, just for comparing. UT is "in the moment" behind the time
[23:12] <tathhu> why are you comparion ut and android?
[23:12] <mcphail> Depends what you want from your phone. Android has never satisfied me
[23:13] <studio_> tathhu, i compare, what is possible on the bq e4.5
[23:17] <studio_> tathhu, for exp. SIP. SIP is now working on the bq E4.5 as a native client. SIP is a must have phone-client on a "smart-phone", isn't it?
[23:18] <colbyfttp> hey folks, you might be better placed to help me with mu issue
[23:18] <colbyfttp> on screen keyboard for ubuntu
[23:19] <colbyfttp> for going all mobile and tablet they kind of let out the touch screen laptop
[23:19] <studio_> btw. "on screen" is the mouse curser now working under MIR?
[23:19] <tathhu> studio_: dont know,idont use :P
[23:21]  * mcphail has never seen anyone use SIP on a mobile phone, but supposes someone uses it somewhere
[23:22] <SturmFlut> studio_: I think you mean VoIP in general
[23:22] <studio_> mcphail, from what country are you?
[23:22] <mcphail> studio_: UK
[23:23] <JanC> mcphail: some mobile providers use it in their own app for example...
[23:23] <studio_> mcphail, your phone connecting is an old analog connection?
[23:25] <mcphail> studio_: do analog networks still exist?
[23:26] <studio_> for sure :) , therefore you didn't asked for a SIP-Support on the UT-Device ... ;)
[23:27] <mcphail> studio_: there aren't any analog networks in the UK
[23:28]  * mcphail wonders how you could use SIP on an analog network. Do they even support data?
[23:28] <SturmFlut> mcphail: You use a modem?
[23:29] <SturmFlut> Like, you know, back in my days
[23:29] <studio_> so, in the UK, all phone-connections are SIP-based?
[23:29] <tathhu> cmon,but myjolla so can get a bq for real...
[23:30] <mcphail> SturmFlut: couldn't use a modem over the old analog network...
[23:30] <SturmFlut> mcphail: What? Why?
[23:33] <mcphail> SturmFlut: people really got that to work? Noise was awful on those devices
[23:33] <studio_> mcphail, SIP is also supporting analogue faxes and modems
[23:35] <SturmFlut> mcphail: How do you think we connected to the Internet before ISDN and xDSL were introduced? And how do you think ISDN and xDSL work? At the end it's the same copper cable all the time, and all the digital communication is modulated onto an "analogue" medium.
[23:36] <colbyfttp> yes, we can use old analogue communications in the uk
[23:36] <colbyfttp> if thats what we are talking about
[23:37] <colbyfttp> dial up modem, faxes all that quality stuff
[23:38] <colbyfttp> dial up modem, faxes all that quality stuff but Ofcom regulator wont allow it
[23:38] <mcphail> SturmFlut: The noise over copper is far less than the noise from the old analog phone networks
[23:38] <mcphail> *mobile
[23:39] <colbyfttp> sry that last sentance was way off, got a new laptop and the shift key has shrunk so keep hitting the up arrow
[23:39] <studio_> SturmFlut, did you made an research about the bq E5.5? will that be the next UT-Phone?
[23:40] <studio_> M5.5, sorry
[23:41] <colbyfttp> whats the issue? I kind of jumped in randomly and from the UK and have E4.5
[23:43] <studio_> e4.5 is nice, especially with lollipop, compared to the momently status from UT, on it, but the bq e4.5 is just a "toy".
[23:44] <colbyfttp> yea, I got it to get a feel for the whole touch experience.
[23:45] <colbyfttp> waiting to see what developments to come,
[23:46] <mcphail> studio_: and where is the line between "toy" and "tool"?
[23:46] <studio_> meizu missed the point with the mt6595 on an ubuntu phone. they castrated the mt6595 :(
[23:48] <studio_> mcphail, this is easy to explain. a tool is a phone, that cost 130 euro
[23:49] <studio_> same is a "toy"
[23:50] <studio_> i need a "workstation"
[23:51] <studio_> is "plodder" the right word?
[23:51] <mcphail> plodder - don't think that's what you mean
[23:54] <mcphail> studio_: what phone (or phone operating system) meets your definition of a "workstation" and what differentiates that from the "toy"s?
[23:54] <studio_> in german you say "Arbeitstier", translation said "plodder",  slogger or working animal?
[23:56] <mcphail> studio_: "workhorse" or "slogger" would be better. "Plodder" implies something passive or disinterested
[23:58] <studio_> mcphail, i am using some RPI, and i "compare" them to the "Ubuntu-Phone". So what can a RPI do an what can the "Ubuntu-Phone", yes, it is an Handheld-PC with an armv7, do?


[08:42] <ottavio> Hi, I can't remove my old email address from Launchpad. Any help?
[08:43] <ottavio> And I cannot confirm my new email address.
[08:45] <ottavio> The bouncer is sending emails to the wrong email address.
[08:48] <cjwatson> ottavio: Do you still have access to both email addresses?
[08:49] <ottavio> Please ignore. I have sorted it. Sorry for the noise.
[08:49] <cjwatson> OK :)
[14:16]  * ogra pokes LP with a pointy stick to see if it's still alive ...
[14:17] <ogra> (having a build.s.io job sitting in "building soon" since 1h)
[14:21] <ottavio> Is it just me? I receive email notifications from launchpad at random times. Some are immediate, some come a few hours later.
[14:30] <cjwatson> ogra: bounced, should be working shortly
[14:31] <cjwatson> ottavio: check Received headers to see where they're delayed
[14:31] <ogra> cjwatson, thanks i see the builders are actually busy though
[14:31] <ogra> and given we're in plenary in a few it isnt really urgent anymore
[14:32] <cjwatson> ogra: no, it's that buildd-manager got stuck and wasn't gathering them
[14:32] <ogra> i should just build all my snaps for powerpc only ... they are always idle
[14:32] <cjwatson> the queue is short enough that it should drain quickly
[14:32] <ogra> ah, k
[14:33] <ogra> and there is started building
[14:38] <ottavio> cjwatson: I'll do. Can I just reply to an email notification or do I have to do it on the web interface?
[14:57] <SpecialK|Canon> ottavio: I think cjwatson meant for you to check the headers of a delayed notification you already received
[14:58] <ottavio> SpecialK|Canon: yes, I know. I'll defo check the headers later. Then I added another question. Sorry if that was confusing.
[15:06] <ottavio> The other question is: can I reply to an email and will that add to the bug tracker?
[15:12] <cjwatson> ottavio: yes
[15:12] <cjwatson> ottavio: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[15:12] <ottavio> cjwatson: ah, great. Thanks.
[16:02] <RikMills> +-


[00:28] <tvakah> how come nothing depends on kde-icons-oxygen in karmic
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> probably because it's not part of kdebase-runtime anymore
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> it's a valid bug, though
[04:38] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Why?  Is Oxgyen required as a theme?
[07:03]  * ScottK takes a shot at fixing qt4-x11 on armel ....
[09:51] <InitMass> when i preview a raw file in digikam i get a nice looking image. when i choose to develop it into a jpeg using digikam the image turns out a lot less nice. any idea why?
[09:52] <InitMass> i'm using version 0.10 but this was present in the previous version as well
[09:53] <eagles0513875> InitMass: please ask in kubuntu
[09:53] <InitMass> sorry
[14:30] <seele> rgreening: besides the specs, do you have a list of topics you wanted to discuss tomorrow?
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> So, is anybody going to announce KDE 4.3 beta packages?
[14:38]  * ScottK prods at ryanakca.
[14:42] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: they are here?
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: yeah
[14:43] <jussi01> hrm....
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[14:47]  * jussi01 upgrades
[14:48] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: I should now remove the 4.2.3 ppa, no?
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> doesn't matter, I don't think
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> it wouldn't hurt anything
[14:49] <jussi01> ok
[14:49] <ScottK> Wiat
[14:49] <jussi01> :)
[14:49] <ScottK> Wiat even
[14:49] <jussi01> lol
[14:49] <ScottK> Wait even
[14:49] <ScottK> Why are we removing 4.2.3?
[14:49] <ScottK> We ought to get it into jaunty-backports first.
[14:49] <jussi01> ScottK: Im updating to the 4,3 beta, was wondering if I should remove the 4.2.3 ppa from my sources
[14:50] <ScottK> jussi01: OK.
[14:50]  * jussi01 giggles at ScottK getting paranoid :D
[14:50] <ScottK> Sorry, I jumped in the middle are read that as deleting 4.2.3 packages FROM the PPA.
[14:51] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/174935/
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> meh, where do these keep coming from?
[14:54] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: good thing I tested it :D - could it be from the fact I had 4.2.3 installed?
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> could be
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> but I tested from 4.2.3 too
[14:56] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: I can just --force-all install them for now, right?
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> as long as I have the log I can fix 'em
[14:57] <jussi01> well that paste is enough, rihgt?
[14:57]  * jussi01 is a bit out of things...
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[15:00]  * JontheEchidna will be back
[15:10] <jjesse> morning
[15:31] <jussi01> hi jjesse
[15:31] <jussi01> Hrm, thats interesting - new menu structure in the beta
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> The "map containments to virtual desktops" feature seems to be working great, I think we should conisder enabling it by default
[15:39] <eagles0513875> also the new network manager is really looking promising both dhcp and static wired works for me granted when setting up the connection i get random plasma crashes
[15:40] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: any chance the newer snapshot of network manager widget can be pushed to jaunty as an update. for me the one currently in jaunt seems to dislike my chipset and i wasnt able to get on the net without by passing it all together.
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> one is undergoing testing, it will be pushed as soon as prudently possible
[15:42] <eagles0513875> im currently on karmic and the one on here is working fine for me
[15:42] <ScottK> That's the one we're testing for an update.
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> what happens if two source packages both provide a binary package of the same name?
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> oh, it's just the .install file sticking around. The package isn't in debian/control anymore
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I have a new kdepim and kdebase. Soon to be a new -runtime
[16:00] <ScottK> Again?
[16:00] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: Im getting a weird message in ktorrent - Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_http'. .
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> yeah, jussi01 found some new ones :/
[16:00] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: where do you want bugs`?
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> thanks for those new ones, btw :)
[16:00] <jussi01> no probs... :D
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> bugs can go in the bug tracker, since we have 4.2.85 in karmic
[16:01] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think I got armel, ia64, and sparc figured out.
[16:01] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: event though im on jaunty?
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: yes, the packages are nearly identical
[16:02] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: ok, great.
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: oh?
[16:03] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yeah.  ia64 and sparc look like archive skew.  I got qedje to build last night and am waiting for workspace now.
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> cool, maybe we can really, really get ports down this release
[16:03] <ScottK> I think Armel has a boost related problem.  I uploaded a new boost1.35 last night and I'm waiting for qt4-x11 rise t to the top of the queue.
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> we did get sparc last time, right?
[16:06] <ScottK> Last time we had everything but hppa built.
[16:07] <ScottK> Sparc and ia64 had kernel installability problems though
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> Oh, did I tell you guys I found a similar RSSNow bug in KDE 4.2.85? (kde bug 193123)
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> One might conjecture that there's a chance that if that gets fixed, the other invisibility bug will get fixed too
[16:09] <jussi01> well n o bug report at this moment, LP is being evil and timinig out
[16:11] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Good news.
[16:11] <ScottK> jussi01: Email interface FTW.
[16:12] <jussi01> ScottK: yeah, I should learn how that works at some point... :D
[16:13] <eagles0513875> thought i would let you guys know there is a bug in the kdenlive package when i try to run the presentation that i have created it crashes plasma but i compiled it form source in the repos it doesnt crash plasma
[16:14] <ScottK> eagles0513875: Karmic?
[16:14] <eagles0513875> ya
[16:14] <ScottK> No great suprise there.
[16:14] <ScottK> Do file a bug though so we remember to deal with it.
[16:15] <eagles0513875> will do
[16:15] <eagles0513875> also working im guessing with upstream dev to test something for him
[16:15] <ScottK> OK.  Tonio_ is interested in kdenlive, IIRC.
[16:16] <eagles0513875> should i ping him and discuss it with him
[16:16] <ScottK> eagles0513875: I just did.
[16:16] <eagles0513875> thanks
[16:18] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: plop !
[16:18] <eagles0513875> hey Tonio_were you the one who packaged kdenlive for karmic
[16:18] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: nope
[16:18] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: jaunty
[16:19] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: hum maybe I just uploaded an update, but that's just a new dep added (frei0r plugin afaik)
[16:19] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: are you using karmic ?
[16:19] <eagles0513875> well the karmic one when trying to run the presentation that one creates causes plasma to crash. when i compiled from source it doesnt cause plasma to crash any more but a differernt error which im working with peace- who seems to be upstream dev.
[16:19] <eagles0513875> ya i am
[16:19] <eagles0513875> testing out some other issues that jaunty was pissing me off with
[16:20] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: yup kdenlive is far from being stable atm...
[16:20] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: hopefully, there will be another release before karmic comes out
[16:21] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: to be honnest, I'm a bit out of kubuntu atm, just a matter of 2 or 3 weeks :)
[16:21] <eagles0513875> would a recompilation from current source in repos help anything
[16:21] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: I have to find a job, which is a lot more important for me :)
[16:21] <eagles0513875> ya i understand
[16:21] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: well you can test locally to rebuild the package, and eventually I'll reupload if it happens to fix it for you
[16:22] <eagles0513875> will have to figure out how to do that  tomorrow once im finally free for summer
[17:10] <larsivi> hi, I tried to upgrade to kde 4.2.3 for jaunty but got a key error
[17:10] <larsivi> no public key
[17:10] <larsivi> and there was no mention of keys on the kubuntu page either (as there has been in the pas)
[17:10] <larsivi> *past
[17:12] <eagles0513875> !gpgerr | larsivi
[17:12] <eagles0513875> larsivi: you would need to find the key for the repo 4.2.3 is in
[17:13] <larsivi> eagles0513875: right - but why not add this info to the 4.2.3 page on kubuntu.org?
[17:13] <eagles0513875> tbh i am not sure let me try and find it for you
[17:15] <eagles0513875> larsivi: the key is 493b3065 follow the commands above and you should be good to go
[17:15]  * ScottK notes https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-karmic-no-sudo/ to Kuubntu people going to UDS as he doesn't want to be the only Kubuntu person there.
[17:15] <larsivi> eagles0513875: thanks :) but I still recommend adding it to your web page ;)
[17:16] <eagles0513875> larsivi: also that is a question for the kubuntu channel btw this is just development channel
[17:16] <larsivi> eagles0513875: I know, but fixing the web page is a dev request
[17:17] <eagles0513875> i hear ya
[17:17] <jussi01> larsivi: probably a good idea to file a bug
[17:18] <ScottK> rgreening: Would you please mark yourself 'essential' for https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-karmic-kde-integration
[17:19] <larsivi> jussi01: it would take me longer to file a bug in launchpad than to actually copy/paste the gpg key message from earlier KDE updates
[17:20] <jussi01> larsivi: true, but ryanakca isnt around at the moment and a bug will make sure that the correct person is notified and therefore the issue gets fixed
[17:21] <larsivi> My launchpad+bugs.kde quota has been filled today :P
[17:21] <jussi01> :P
[17:22] <eagles0513875> 4.3 has something the devs will like in regards to upstream bug reporting
[18:21] <eagles0513875> is it gonna be the norm in 4.3 that all kde apps report bugs upstream directly to kde instead of to lp
[18:29] <ScottK> eagles0513875: No.
[18:29] <eagles0513875> ok thats interested cuz for instance kopete and konqueror which crashed on me had me report the bugs directly to bugs.kde.org
[18:32] <rgreening> I think It need the launchpad integration patch
[18:32] <rgreening> ScottK, eagles0513875^
[18:33]  * ScottK looks at JontheEchidna
[18:33] <eagles0513875> was thinking bout that probably some sorta integration was missing
[18:33] <rgreening> actually, nope, thats in there... maybe its because of non-existnat bindings
[18:33] <ScottK> rgreening: To the extent you consider Launchpad integration a feature on your desktop, sure.
[18:34] <rgreening> ScottK: now now... :P
[18:34] <ScottK> rgreening: Hey, if I wanted non-free stuff in my desktop I'd have signed up for Ubuntu One.
[18:34] <rgreening> lol
[18:35] <ScottK> More precisely, ... integration with non-free stuff ....
[18:35] <rgreening> well, once LP is opened, the point is moo , yes, moo! :)
[18:35] <ScottK> rgreening: Unfortunately there are no plans for opening LP.
[18:36] <ScottK> Although in the specific case of our LP integration patches the parts they deal with will be opened, so that partial opening is relevant.
[18:37] <rgreening> yeah
[18:41] <eagles0513875> scott if i ever start random inappropriate convo in here feel free to take a mallet to me head and remind me plz and ty
[18:42]  * rgreening whacks eagles0513875over the head with a mallet
[18:42] <rgreening> just in case :)
[18:43] <eagles0513875> i havent forgotten i have been rather good and behaving sith appropriate dev questions pertaing to karmic
[18:55] <ryanakca> ScottK: Back, sorry, was off camping. Did you still need the announcement?
[18:55] <ScottK> ryanakca: I haven't looked.
[18:55] <ScottK> ryanakca: Looks like we do.
[18:56] <ScottK> ryanakca: We also had a comment in here earlier about mentioning adding the key to the 4.2.3 announcement.
[18:56] <ryanakca> ScottK: Have it somewheres?
[18:56] <ScottK> No.
[18:57] <ScottK> Just something about KDE 4.3 Beta 1 being in the Karmic repos.  Packages for Jaunty in Kubuntu Experimental
[18:59] <ryanakca> ScottK: *nod*, I'll go do that
[19:12] <ryanakca> ScottK: posted
[19:19] <ScottK> ryanakca: Thanks.
[19:22] <neversfelde> ryanakca: I think the repo url is wrong.
[19:22] <neversfelde> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[19:23] <neversfelde> in the old experimental repo is only 4.2.3
[19:24] <eagles0513875> also someone was complaining about the key not being on kubuntu.or for kubuntu-experimental repo and 4..2.3
[19:25] <ScottK> I don't recall where 4.3 went.
[19:25] <ScottK> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[19:25] <ScottK> Found it
[19:40] <harolddong> is the entire update in there yet?  I added the edge repo but I'm not showing any updates
[19:47] <Mamarok_> which repo are those Jaunty packages in? I can't see any...
[19:48] <Mamarok_> ok, found it, but only 24 packages? that seems to be not enough
[19:48] <neversfelde> Mamarok: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[19:49] <harolddong> its not showing any updates for me?  Is there a certain way I'm supposed to do it?
[19:50] <Mamarok_> neversfelde: sure I will not get pulseaudio installed again with all these meta packages?
[19:51] <neversfelde> Mamarok: I do only know the link and have not tested the packages, but I doubt that there is any pulseaudio stuff in this ppa
[19:52] <Mamarok_> neversfelde: well, I still have about 60 instalnces of pulsesomething installed on my system I can't get rid of
[19:53] <Mamarok_> and it came in through the libxine1 plugins
[19:53] <Mamarok_> instances* even...
[19:53] <Mamarok_> cause every time I try to remove those it tries to remove all KDE
[19:55] <neversfelde> Mamarok:  I have only libpulse0 installed here and this lib seems to be necessary
[19:57] <Mamarok_> neversfelde: I wonder what for, KDE doesn't ue pulseaudio at all...
[20:04] <hunger> Is there currently major breakage in karmic?
[20:04] <smarter> ryanakca: the deb line in the announcement is wrong
[20:04] <smarter> ryanakca: it should be deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu karmic main
[20:04] <smarter> with jaunty instead of karmic
[20:04] <smarter> (damn copy-paste which includes a linebreak :p)
[20:05] <harolddong> and then I can get it with aptitude full-upgrade?
[21:25] <Sput> neversfelde / Mamarok_: I don't have pulseaudio on my system, I can assure you that it's not needed for xine :)
[21:26] <Sput> it probably is when you use gnome, which shows yet again the power of USE flags :)
[21:26] <Mamarok_> Sput: I know itŝ not needed, that doesn't change the fact that it ended up in my Jaunty as it did for hundreds of others and kills the sound in Amarok
[21:26] <Sput> yeah I think you'd need different packages for users with and without gnome
[21:26] <Sput> with quassel in *buntu it's the other way round, it pulls in kdelibs and stuff even for ubuntu users :/
[21:26] <Mamarok_> Sput: ... funny, not
[21:27]  * Sput got complaints about that
[21:27] <Mamarok_> where do you get the manpower form to do that?
[21:27] <Mamarok_> from*
[21:27] <Sput> Mamarok_: it's an inherent problem of binary distro, unfortunately :/
[21:27]  * ScottK wonder what channel he wondered into.
[21:27] <Sput> probably you can't split libxine in modules?
[21:27] <Mamarok_> ScottK: why?
[21:28] <ScottK> Mamarok: See /topic and a Gentoo user is doing most of the talking
[21:28] <ScottK> Sput: It's something around that.  I don't recall the details.
[21:28] <Sput> uh... fedora?
[21:28] <Sput> or is my quassel acting up?
[21:29] <ScottK> Yeah.
[21:29] <Mamarok_> ScottK: well, he is the Quassel Man, so it's normal he does all the talking
[21:29] <Mamarok_> Quasseln is German for Chatting
[21:29] <ScottK> Right, it was that in conjunction with the /topic change.
[21:29] <Sput> yeah, that was a fun mixup :)
[21:30] <Sput> ScottK: did you mention that you intend to package two versions of quassel in the future, or do I remember wrong?
[21:30] <ScottK> We're looking at it.
[21:30] <Sput> k
[21:31] <ScottK> Do a double build.
[21:31]  * Sput intends to make things like KDE notifications optional in the future even with KDE integration, but that won't be happening in 0.4.x
[21:41] <harolddong> having a problem with kdebase-runtime-data package in the upgrade
[22:43] <ScottK> What problem?  I think JontheEchidna has some fixes queued already.
[23:14] <Tonio_> ScottK: hi ! tried to install kde 4.3 b1 for jaunty ?
[23:14] <Tonio_> ScottK:
[23:14] <Tonio_> I can get it to install...
[23:14] <ScottK> Tonio_: I have not.
[23:15] <Tonio_> that's pretty strange... when I browse the repo with firefox, I can see the good versioned files, and the dist content is correct
[23:15] <ScottK> I'm trying to keep my system pristine for 4.2.3 testing if we get it into the official repos.
[23:15] <Tonio_> but apt keeps seeing 4.2.3..... that's weird
[23:17] <ScottK> There's two different PPAs with very similar urls.
[23:17] <ScottK> You have the wrong one.
[23:18] <ScottK> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[23:19] <Tonio_> ScottK: how messy....
[23:20] <ScottK> We're in the midst of transitioning.
[23:20] <ScottK> 4.2.3 is the last (probably) to be done on the old one.
[23:20] <Tonio_> yup
[23:30] <Tonio_> did anyone tested before installing this ? there are so many file conflicts.... it is barelly installable right now...
[23:31] <ScottK> We got most of them.  JontheEchidna put some more fixes in bzr if you want to upload.
[23:31] <Tonio_> ScottK oh sure, I have no pb, since I didn't help :)
[23:31] <Tonio_> ScottK I'm just surprised we announced it on kubuntu.org....
[23:31] <Tonio_> ScottK and that when you install it'll just kick your dpkg ass...
[23:32] <ScottK> Tonio_: There are updates for kdepim and kdebase and maybe  kdebase-runtime.  Can you look them over and sponsor (these are for Karmic).
[23:33] <ScottK> Apparently when we merged with Debian a lot of stuff got shoved around.
[23:33] <Tonio_> ScottK hehe :)
[23:33] <Tonio_> ScottK the only problem is that annoucing will lend people to test and that is what gives us a bad reputation..
[23:34] <ScottK> Tonio_: OK.  Start fixing.
[23:34] <Tonio_> maybe we shouldn't care as much in having the package as soon as possible...
[23:34] <Tonio_> ScottK sure
[23:34] <ScottK> ;-)
[23:34] <Tonio_> ScottK but right now I have to go bed, I have an interview tomorrow early for a job...
[23:34] <ScottK> Bah.
[23:34] <Tonio_> ScottK nevermind that wasn't rude criticism at all :)
[23:34] <Tonio_> the one that doesn't do sholdn't complain
[23:34] <ScottK> Tonio_: It's fine.
[23:35] <ScottK> Tonio_: Just make sure we know what needs doing.
[23:35] <Tonio_> but.... we should take care at announcing things when they are ready :)
[23:35] <ScottK> Well I kind of thought they were.
[23:42] <harolddong> is the air theme not in the beta?
[23:46] <ScottK> It's not
[23:46] <harolddong> I can'tget dolphin to open now since updating
[23:47] <ScottK> Tonio_: ^^^ How about you?
[23:47] <harolddong> konqueror won't open either actuallly
[23:48] <harolddong> actually konqueror will work fine as a web browser but if I try to open a folder with it it won't open
[23:48] <ScottK> harolddong: Are you on Jaunty or Karmic?
[23:49] <harolddong> jaunty
[23:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^ I think you needed those other *private*.so that are still in not-installed.
[23:50] <Tonio_> ScottK I'm just reverting to 4.2.3 :)
[23:50] <Tonio_> ScottK unusable atm, I noticed files conflicts between many package.... and no time to fix on my own...
[23:51] <ScottK> Tonio_: Can you pastebin your errors somewher?
[23:51] <harolddong> hmmm dolphin finally did open for over here after about a 15 minute wait
[23:52] <ScottK> OK, well that's something.
[23:52] <Tonio_> ScottK I don't have the logs right now...
[23:52] <ScottK> OK.
[23:52] <Tonio_> ScottK I'm free to work on thursday, I'll test then and eventually fix the packages
[23:52] <ScottK> OK