[17:07] <yao_ziyuan> because mine often crashes silently
[17:07] <grul> i see, the newest versions of apt-get has the dependecy function aswell
[17:08] <grul> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude :)
[17:08] <grul> if you use apt-get autoremove
[17:21] <nuxil> hi all.. i got this problem with configuring my mouse and could use some help
[17:21] <nuxil> i got this logitech mouse "media mouse" with lots of buttons on it. and i would like to use it as a remote for amarok
[17:21] <nuxil> however i got problems getting 2 buttons to work. the left/right scroll buttons does not work at all.
[17:21] <nuxil> but xev show's them as button 6 and 7. i have used !! xbindkeys !! to modify|access buttons on my mouse.
[17:21] <nuxil> heres is my .xbindkeysrc in my home dir : http://pastebin.ca/922209
[17:21] <nuxil> here is mediamouse program i made. : http://pastebin.ca/922211
[17:21] <nuxil> all other buttons works exect this left/right scroll ones. does Kde lock em up somehow ??? please help,
[17:21] <nuxil> spam :P
[17:23] <beautifulsnow> I'm getting this when I try to do anything with wine:::: Warning: the specified Windows directory L"c:\\windows" is not accessible. :-/ Could anyone please give me any pointers, I googled and it seems a few people fixed it but they didn't say how
[17:24] <beautifulsnow> I've tried removing and purging wine, deleting all the folders I know of.... And then reinstalling, and .. nothing :(
[17:24] <nuxil> wine about it P
[17:25] <beautifulsnow> LOL
[17:25] <beautifulsnow> I am *cry* :P
[17:25] <coggz> hi
[17:25] <coggz> need help with wireless
[17:25] <beautifulsnow> I seems like people in #Kubuntu are so much more laid back /friendly than #ubuntu.. Why would that be LOL
[17:25] <nuxil> xbindkeys -f ~/.xbindkeysrc starts my modifyed keys exept buttons 6 and 7
[17:26]  * nuxil wounders why!
[17:26] <beautifulsnow> Makes me want to swich to Kubuntu... ;p Most of the apps I use are K anyway;..
[17:26] <jpatrick> beautifulsnow: cos we rock more?
[17:27] <nuxil> jpatrick, can you help me with my problem=
[17:27] <coggz> anyone wanna help with wireless? plz
[17:27] <nuxil> *?
[17:27] <beautifulsnow>  \m\~__^/m/
[17:27] <beautifulsnow> What's with wireless coggz
[17:27] <coggz> ok, my card picks up networks, but does not allow connection
[17:27] <jpatrick> nuxil: have you tried reconfigurating xorg?
[17:27] <coggz> tried restarting networking etc..
[17:28] <beautifulsnow> coggz is it a WEP/WPA  wireless  connection, or a open non encrypted one?
[17:28] <jpatrick> nuxil: if not, try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:28] <coggz> WPA, beautifulsnow, it worked fine until i hibernated a few days ago
[17:28] <nuxil> jpatrick, yes i also added.  Option         "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7 8 9"
[17:28] <beautifulsnow> Ugggh xD
[17:29] <jpatrick> nuxil: hmm, sorry, don't know about that..
[17:29] <beautifulsnow> That hibernate ruins our lives
[17:29] <nuxil> jpatrick, i dont want to have it reconfigures..
[17:29] <coggz> oh, lol
[17:29] <coggz> is suspend better?
[17:29] <nuxil> i need help understanding why button 6 and 7 does not work.. xev show them working.. strange
[17:30] <beautifulsnow> I think suspend  can cause issues too coggz, it happens in windows to me too :P So I never use hibernate/suspend ;) I wonder if you've googled your issue, because maybe http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=516480 would help, let me know if it does
[17:32] <coggz> hmm, not really beautifulsnow
[17:33]  * beautifulsnow wonders if this one would be a better help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=566864
[17:33] <coggz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57721/ for  lshw -C network
[17:34] <beautifulsnow> I am no help with that Q_Q Most of the things I find that help my pc issues are from ubuntuforums ^^;; sorry
[17:36] <coggz> ok, ty, btw - where is config for knetworkmanager stored? how do i make it auto config not manual
[17:37] <Arwen> question - how do I sync a local copy of a git tree with the upstream repository?
[17:38] <kersinc> #ubuntu-es
[17:39] <nuxil> + /join
[17:39] <nuxil> stupid mouse
[17:42] <jpatrick> Arwen: might want to try: #git ?
[17:53] <Vermux> how do I watch web content. The web site wants me to install CUPlayer.xpi but the installation fails (using firefox)?????
[17:54] <BluesKaj> Vermux:  give us the site url
[17:58] <nuxil> wee.. fixed my problem :)
[17:59] <jussi01> cool
[18:00] <nuxil> strange.. short click on scrol "left/right" gave me button 6/7 but when i hold in the buttons for a while. them show up as 11 and 12.
[18:01] <nuxil> just had to add same argument twise. with 2 diff buttons assignment.
[18:02] <Vermux> BluesKaj: http://www.kab.tv/eng
[18:02]  * nuxil smells a bug in xbindkeys
[18:04] <Vermux> BluesKaj: and http://download.castup.net/products/Player/CUPlayer.xpi
[18:05] <Vermux> http://download.castup.net/products/Player/CUPlayer.xpi
[18:05] <Vermux> how do I install that?
[18:05] <jussi01> Vermux: hang on a sec, im just testing...
[18:05] <nuxil> put the file in you pulgin dit
[18:05] <nuxil> *dir
[18:05] <jussi01> Vermux: you dont. install vlc and the mozilla plugin for it. works here
[18:06] <Vermux> ?
[18:06] <jussi01> Vermux: sudo apt-get install vlc mozilla-plugin-vlc
[18:07] <Arwen> the VLC plugin sucks major >_<
[18:07] <Vermux> During the previous startup, KNotify crashed while instantiating KNotify. Do you want to try again or disable aRts sound output?
[18:07] <Vermux> If you choose to disable aRts output now, you can re-enable it later or select an alternate sound player in the System Notifications control panel.
[18:07] <jussi01> Arwen: works perfectly here.
[18:07] <Vermux> it happaned when I try to install VLC
[18:08] <Arwen> jussi01, last I checked, it has no controls at all?
[18:08] <jussi01> Arwen: correct. but the thing is it works, unlike some others.
[18:08] <jussi01> Vermux: try again
[18:08] <Arwen> eh, I don't use a plugin, but mplayer-plugin was ok last time I checked
[18:09] <jussi01> Arwen: yeah, mplayers one is ok, but I have had issues with it on some sites.
[18:09] <Vermux> why it wants me to insert the CD of 7.10?
[18:09] <jussi01> Vermux: because you still have it marked as a repository
[18:09] <Vermux> it asked me to do that several times when I installed updates
[18:09] <Vermux> ?
[18:09] <Vermux> can I cancell that, or I have to insert the CD?
[18:10] <jussi01> insert it this time, then ill tell you how to fix
[18:10] <Vermux> k
[18:11] <jussi01> Vermux: you can turn it off in adept -> manage repositories -> third party repositories -> uncheck the cd
[18:12] <jussi01> Vermux: but you need to wait for the install to finnish before you do that.
[18:13] <Vermux> ok, I did that
[18:13] <Vermux> I installed
[18:13] <Vermux> and changed that option of the Cd
[18:13] <Vermux> jussi01: ^
[18:14] <jussi01> :)
[18:14] <Vermux> what now?
[18:14] <jussi01> Vermux: now restart firefox and try that site
[18:15] <jussi01> Vermux: it says no video for a bit while it buffers, then starts playing
[18:15] <jussi01> the time it takes depends on your internet connection.
[18:15] <[T]an1> i have had no success getting my soundcard to work in ubuntu
[18:15] <[T]an1> here is from lscpi
[18:15] <[T]an1> 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[18:15] <[T]an1> any ideas on where I can go from here?
[18:16] <[T]an1> amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
[18:16] <jussi01> !intelhda | [T]an1
[18:16] <ubotu> [T]an1: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[18:16] <[T]an1> I have actually tried these steps with no success
[18:17] <[T]an1> root@slobberknocker:~# cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec
[18:17] <[T]an1> cat: /proc/asound/card0/codec#*: No such file or directory
[18:17] <Vermux> jussi01: installation error
[18:18] <Vermux> jussi01: installation of npmozax.dll failed. error code 202
[18:20] <zizzfizzix> hi guys
[18:20] <Vermux> jussi01: help
[18:20] <jussi01> Vermux: when you do what?
[18:20] <zizzfizzix> i have problem with login in
[18:20] <jussi01> !patience | Vermux
[18:20] <ubotu> Vermux: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[18:20] <Vermux> going to http://download.castup.net/products/Player/CUPlayer.xpi
[18:20] <jussi01> !langpack | zizzfizzix
[18:20] <ubotu> zizzfizzix: A recent update broke some KDE language packs, leaving the user unable to login. (http://launchpad.net/bugs/195647) To fix this, remove the updated packages (language-pack-kde-en, language-pack-kde-en-base) and restart KDE.
[18:20] <zizzfizzix> when i type in name and pass
[18:21] <zizzfizzix> nope
[18:21] <zizzfizzix> i did not update
[18:21] <zizzfizzix> it shows black screen
[18:21] <zizzfizzix> and then again login screen
[18:21] <jussi01> Vermux: you dont need that, just go to the original site and see if it works
[18:21] <Vermux> jussi01: I went to http://download.castup.net/products/Player/CUPlayer.xpi and tried to install it
[18:21] <zizzfizzix> now i did
[18:22] <zizzfizzix> console login, sudo startx and i have kde3 session
[18:22] <zizzfizzix> but im using kde4
[18:22] <zizzfizzix> i would like to use*
[18:22] <anto> kubunt france
[18:22] <anto> french
[18:23] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: there was an updatetoday that should fix it, try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:23] <anto> kubuntu france
[18:23] <jussi01> !fr | anto
[18:23] <ubotu> anto: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[18:23] <Vermux> jussi01: I need that to watch a different thing
[18:23] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: i will
[18:23] <jussi01> Vermux: what do you need it to watch?
[18:24] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: but if i login to another account i works properly
[18:24] <zizzfizzix> do you know what is the problem?
[18:24] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: Im not sure on that, but please try an update and see if it fixes it.
[18:25] <Vermux> jussi01: http://acrosec.com/ watch the video
[18:25] <Vermux> jussi01: click on "view the video on the right
[18:26] <jussi01> Vermux: one moment
[18:26] <michael> how can I instal invidia drivers on my kubuntu 7.10 ?
[18:27] <DaSkreech> !nvidia
[18:27] <IgorS> !nvidia
[18:27] <jussi01> yay, the bot died.
[18:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[18:28] <IgorS> thanks
[18:28] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: it does nothing..
[18:28] <zizzfizzix> maybe i need repo?
[18:29] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: can you pastebin your sources.list for me?
[18:29] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: pastebin?
[18:30] <jussi01> !paste | zizzfizzix
[18:30] <ubotu> zizzfizzix: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[18:30] <DaSkreech> The Goggles! They do nothing!
[18:30] <zizzfizzix> yes i can 'n will
[18:31] <jussi01> Vermux: curios, it seems to work here, as in it displays a picture where the video should be just click the bit about open it in an externeal player
[18:31] <jussi01> see if it works for you
[18:32] <Aranel> how can I limit grep() ? Example: If i search UDP, i dont need 'UDPLITE'.
[18:34] <Vermux> jussi01: it asks me to install the player, when Im trying to install it, it has error
[18:35] <jussi01> Vermux: look at the next line, what does it say
[18:35] <zizzfizzix> %c4 jussi01: http://pastebin.pl/266
[18:35] <stdin> Aranel: grep -w or just 'grep " UDP "'
[18:35] <zizzfizzix>  jussi01 http://pastebin.pl/266
[18:36] <Aranel> stdin: thanks :)
[18:37] <Vermux> jussi01: ffox is stuck
[18:37] <Vermux> jussi01: it was closed
[18:37] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: are you using automatix o.O ??????
[18:38] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: i installed it long time ago..
[18:38] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: I do hope its uninstalled.
[18:38] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: why?
[18:38] <jussi01> !automatix
[18:38] <ubotu> automatix is not recommended, supported or needed. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[18:39] <zizzfizzix> xD
[18:39] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: also, please take note of:
[18:39] <jussi01> !studiorepo
[18:39] <ubotu> All Ubuntu Studio 7.10 Gutsy packages are included in the official Ubuntu repos. However, Ubuntu Studio 7.04 had its own custom addon repository. This is no longer supported or available. Please use Ubuntu Studio Gutsy.
[18:39] <Vermux> jussi01: is there a way to install that player?
[18:40] <jussi01> Vermux: not that i know of. sorry.
[18:40] <Vermux> anybody knows how to install Cast UP Player?
[18:41] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: i'll check it out if it's uninstalled
[18:41] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: you have a lot of strange repos, including debian ones. there are a million things that could be causing this.
[18:41] <jussi01> !debian | zizzfizzix
[18:41] <ubotu> zizzfizzix: Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!
[18:41] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: but you see it's only on my profile
[18:41] <zizzfizzix> that problem
[18:42] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: you could try mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old
[18:42] <jussi01> in your home folder
[18:42] <amunra> Ubuntu = debian
[18:42] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: for what?
[18:42] <amunra> It's almost the exact same thing
[18:42] <amunra> *almost*
[18:42] <stdin> amunra: no
[18:42] <amunra> ;D
[18:43] <amunra> stdin: What's the difference besides maybe the kernel and a few set up files?
[18:43] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: that will put all your settings to .kde-old, and it will creat default setttings.
[18:43] <amunra> I have both installed - both feel the same... albeit Ubuntu is a bit faster
[18:43] <zizzfizzix> oh i see you want me to clear my settings..
[18:43] <zizzfizzix> L)
[18:43] <zizzfizzix> :)
[18:43] <jussi01> :)
[18:43] <stdin> amunra: the options used to compile our packages and the process used to get them included
[18:43] <yuji> is there a way to organize the virtual desktops so that they lie in a 3x3 grid instead of just growing wider?
[18:43] <stdin> the support period
[18:43] <stdin> our individual patches
[18:43] <stdin> and more ;)
[18:44] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: automatix is out so i can remove that repos
[18:44] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: great
[18:44] <yuji> or stop the "one desktop left" "one desktop right" commands from looping when they hit the last desktop?
[18:44] <amunra> stdin: Ah ;) - I just meant the base system etc - it is very similar anyways... "on first look"
[18:47] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: i should logout & in now yes?
[18:47] <mollitz> weiß jemand grad, wo die skripts sind, die bei multimedia-tasten aufgerufen werden ?
[18:47] <stdin> !de | mollitz
[18:47] <ubotu> mollitz: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[18:48] <Yuchan> How do I check what ports are in use and how do I free them? (my localhost webserver suddenly stopped / says port is in use)
[18:48] <stdin> "sudo netstat -lnp|less", then kill the process that's open on the port
[18:49] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: you could try...
[18:51] <mollitz> damn, i thougt i'd have been in a german room im sorry ;)
[18:53] <Yuchan> stdin: thank you! kill -9 worked
[18:53] <stdin> heh, kill -9 *always* works :p
[18:53] <stdin> well, almost always
[18:54] <Yuchan> the others failed me. :(
[18:57] <cinex> muhaha
[18:57] <cinex> the promised land?
[18:59] <sorsis> how do i update 7.04 kubuntu to 7.10?
[18:59] <cinex> hmmm
[18:59] <cinex> with apt?
[18:59] <n2aag> hey..  can anyone tell me why KNetworkManager takes so long to refresh the list of available networks?  (iwlist wlan0 scan has up to date information)
[19:00] <jussi01> !upgrade
[19:00] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[19:00] <sorsis> cinex: do i have to edit sources.list manually?
[19:00] <cinex> no
[19:00] <cinex> im not sure sorsis
[19:00] <jussi01> sorsis: see the link from ubotu
[19:00] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: i did logout but it changes nothing
[19:00] <cinex> dist-upgrade
[19:01] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: I think maybe you need to enable gutsy updates I didnt see them in your sources list.
[19:01] <cinex> sorsis: try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:01] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: im thinking of reinstalling kubuntu
[19:01] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: ahat are these?
[19:01] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: I would recomend that, you had a lot of random repos there
[19:02] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: most of the was from official polish ubuntu forum
[19:02] <zizzfizzix> them*
[19:02] <sorsis> cinex: no luck.
[19:02] <cinex> oh
[19:02] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: how to enable these gutsy upgrades?
[19:02] <cinex> looks like you will need the disk then
[19:02] <cinex> and install it over the top
[19:03] <cinex> (leaving your $HOME and file directorys as is)
[19:03] <cinex> directorys/paritions
[19:03] <jussi01> sorsis: did you look at the link from the bot?
[19:03] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: in adept - manage repositories
[19:04] <sorsis> jussi01: I'll install gnome update-manager and update with it.
[19:04] <tominglis> hi, how do i check to see which version of the uvc video driver i am running?
[19:05] <tominglis> i am trying to troubleshoot a problem i am having with my webcam
[19:05] <tominglis> and i think i've installed the latest version of the driver from the Linux UVS Subversion repository
[19:05] <zizzfizzix> jussi01: i have all enabled
[19:05] <tominglis> but i don't know how to check that
[19:06] <zizzfizzix> what should i backup from my installation before reinstalling kubuntu?
[19:06] <tominglis> http://developer.berlios.de/projects/linux-uvc
[19:07] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: most stuff in $home
[19:08] <zizzfizzix> okay i will
[19:08] <zizzfizzix> anything else?
[19:08] <ere4si> tominglis, here's the wiki - http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Linux+UVC
[19:09] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: /etc can be a good idea
[19:09] <jussi01> zizzfizzix: remeber to grab the .folders also
[19:10] <zizzfizzix> ~/.folders?
[19:10] <zizzfizzix> ahh
[19:10] <zizzfizzix> .xxxxx
[19:10] <zizzfizzix> :)
[19:10] <jussi01> yeah, like .kde .mozilla etc
[19:10] <zizzfizzix> $home and /etc
[19:10] <zizzfizzix> nothing else?
[19:12] <zizzfizzix> do you think i should choose kubuntu iso with kde 3.5.9 and add 4.0.1 or just kubuntu 4.0.1?
[19:12] <jussi01> 3.5.9 will be more stable imho
[19:14] <tominglis> ere4si: yes i know, i used that to install the driver, although i think the location mentioned under ubuntu 6.06 is wrong
[19:14] <tominglis> ere4si: i just want to check what version i have running right now
[19:14] <tominglis> ere4si: i.e. whether i was successful installing it
[19:16] <ere4si> tominglis, I couldn't find much on google about it and don't use it - try typing uvc in konsole - or man uvc
[19:16] <ere4si> tominglis, something should show if it is there
[19:16] <flaccid> !compiz
[19:16] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:17] <tominglis> ere4si, i think it's just a .ko driver file or set of them, is there no command to see all loaded driver modules?
[19:17] <Pici> lsmod
[19:17] <ere4si> tominglis, not that I know but I know little
[19:17] <trappist> tominglis: lsmod will show all loaded modules, driver or not
[19:18] <ere4si> tominglis, Pici says lsmod
[19:24] <tominglis> so it says uvcvideo is loaded, but is there a way for me to check the version? i compiled it to the same location as the old file, not the location which it mentions in the wiki
[19:24] <tominglis> and it is there
[19:38] <DaSkreech> how can I query a libs version?
[19:43] <jussi01> DaSkreech: what exactly do you mean?
[19:44] <DaSkreech> Like libnotun
[19:44] <jussi01> DaSkreech: if installed through apt, apt-cache policy package
[19:44] <DaSkreech> ah
[19:44] <DaSkreech> supposed I just needed to check the version string in a bash script?
[19:45] <jussi01> hrmm... not sure
[19:45]  * DaSkreech sighs as Netscape tells him that he should get rid of it
[19:52] <BluesKaj> vermux, sorry I had to do some errands ...I checked your site and my xine and mplayer plugins on Konqueror work, so FF should play them with mozilla-xine plugin as well
[19:53] <rodolfo> un Irc en español?
[19:53] <trappist> !es
[19:53] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[19:54] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj» got that lang-pac stuff all fixed up?
[19:57] <jackault> so, I was just sharing some files with the webserver thing that comes built in and suddenly out of the blue my taskbar disappears.
[19:57] <jackault> sup?
[19:57] <jackault> oh and the webserver went down.
[19:58] <trappist> see if you can find out who downloaded your task bar, and make him give it back
[19:58] <jackault> Ridiculous, he'd never give it back! It was such a lovely taskbar with transparency and all, guess I'd just have to log out and in again to get it.
[19:59] <jackault> which I did. But why'd it go down?
[19:59] <trappist> well kicker sometimes craches.  I just do alt-f2 -> kicker when that happens.
[19:59] <trappist> *crashes
[19:59] <jackault> And that would take the webserver with it?
[20:00] <trappist> not usually, no
[20:00] <jackault> That's what I'm wondering about.
[20:00] <trappist> I'm pretty sure they don't come anywhere near touching each other
[20:00] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim: all fixed ...better than previous install, konq is more stable and back to being my default browser...feels like I'm "home" again
[20:00] <BluesKaj> :)
[20:00] <trappist> I've never used any kind of builtin http filesharing feature, maybe it's unstable
[20:01] <jackault> They both went down at the same time though. Right after I saw in the monitoring thing that a location "..." was being accessed
[20:01] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj» ::)
[20:01] <BluesKaj> what's a good app for displaying pc specs ?
[20:02] <jussi01> kinfo ceter
[20:02] <jussi01> center even
[20:03] <jussi01> BluesKaj: under system
[20:04] <jackault> or if you've got katapult on just press alt+space and type kinf
[20:04] <BluesKaj> yeah kinfo is good ,but it's a bit detailed for a general descrption of cpu, ram, hdd peripherals
[20:06] <jussi01> BluesKaj: you using konversation? /sysinfo (not here though :D )
[20:06] <jussi01> :P
[20:06] <BluesKaj> yup
[20:07] <BluesKaj> installing sysinfo
[20:08] <nosrednaekim> Sysinfo for 'geebee': Linux 2.6.22-7-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-50 at 800 MHz (1601 bogomips), HD: 32/83GB, RAM: 856/877MB, 132 proc's, 5.46h up
[20:08] <Pici> not here please.
[20:08] <nosrednaekim> oops.... I just read that :)
[20:08] <nosrednaekim> sorry
[20:08] <jussi01> hehe
[20:09]  * nosrednaekim goes and hides under a rock.... is always doing dumb stuff like that
[20:09] <jussi01> BluesKaj: btw, the login problem with the lang packs was fixed, (just fyi)
[20:09] <nosrednaekim> !lanpack | no need for this any more then I suppose
[20:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lanpack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:09] <nosrednaekim> !langpack
[20:10] <ubotu> A recent update broke some KDE language packs, leaving the user unable to login. (http://launchpad.net/bugs/195647) This has now been fixed and an updated package is in the -updates repo. If you removed the packages with the interim fix you can reinstall them with: << sudo apt-get install language-pack-kde-en language-pack-kde-en-base >>
[20:10] <jussi01> :D
[20:10]  * jussi01 1 nosrednaekim 0
[20:11]  * nosrednaekim lets rock fall real hard on his head..... get stoned..
[20:12] <nosrednaekim> jussi01» use my little french arrow :)
[20:12] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim:  what cmnd did you use ,system info is like kinfo, ...i just want a one liner describing my pc , not all the fine details
[20:12] <BluesKaj> I promise not to display it here :)
[20:12] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj» its a konversation script...
[20:13] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj» "/sysinfo"
[20:13] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj» query me and run it
[20:16]  * DaSkreech wants to see BluesKaj's sysinfo :(
[20:17] <jackault> I'd like to see all the sysinfos. Maybe I'll see one lower spec than mine :(
[20:18] <BluesKaj> there ya go DaSkreech
[20:18] <DaSkreech> I have a pIII with 200 Megs of RAM
[20:18] <jackault> Ah, can't complain then :)
[20:18] <limbeaux> trying to get a remote desktop enabled so i can connect to my linux box from my windows box.  I have tried vncserver and am not haveing any success.
[20:18] <limbeaux> any suggestions
[20:19] <DaSkreech> !nx
[20:19] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[20:24] <idream> hi people
[20:25] <jussi01> hi
[20:26] <Arwen> "Note: At present FreeNX is limited to desktops where both local and remote machines are running Linux/Unix. Running FreeNX as server on Ubuntu with the free 'NX Client for Windows' from [WWW] NoMachine on a Windows workstation is working fine." <-- um, so is it cross-platform or not?
[20:27] <Arwen> stupid wiki pages...
[20:27] <limbeaux> that is on the ubuntu forums as well
[20:27] <limbeaux> i was hoping not to have to install an odd client as well
[20:28] <limbeaux> vnc was hopefull,  but I cannot get my windows client to connect to the linux box
[20:30] <rickest> limbeaux: were you using "linuxhost:1" for example?  You can't just use "linuxhost" to connect to a linux box's VNC
[20:30] <limbeaux> no
[20:30] <rickest> limbeaux: that's probably the problem. unlike windows, VNC on linux doesn't show the same desktop you see as the local user. It's a different X session running
[20:31] <BluesKaj> yeah, i had mine working , but did some thing on the windows box(wifey's) and now I can only access one way (linux to windows) , which is fine most of the time , but it would be nice for wife to be able fetch files from my linux box .
[20:31] <rickest> so they connect string must include the port to connect to which, by default, is ':1'
[20:31] <limbeaux> didn't know you had to use the display number
[20:32] <rickest> limbeaux: yes. the number you provide is actually addded to 5900 (VNC's default port), so ":1" means 5901
[20:32] <rickest> FWIW, FreeNX is imho far superior to VNC and I used VNC for yearzx
[20:34] <BluesKaj> bbiab...gotta go get the mail
[20:36] <Arwen> VNC is like shooting JPEGs down a tube...
[20:36] <ubuntu_> hello. i need to repair my system. i need to install some important packages to /. im running kubuntu from a livecd now.
[20:36] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: What's the problem ?
[20:36] <ubuntu_> how do I mount my hdd as / so i can install the packages there
[20:37] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu_» mount it and chroot into it
[20:37] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Mount it anywhere you want then chroot it
[20:38]  * MartinCleaver is installing from iso64 with lvm and is stuck on step 4 of 6
[20:38] <ubuntu_> ok now its mounted to /tsap. how do i chroot_
[20:38] <DaSkreech> sudo chroot /tsap
[20:38] <ubuntu_> it gives permission denied
[20:39] <limbeaux> it seems like i saw a java one where you could access it through a web page.
[20:39] <limbeaux> access a desktop
[20:39] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu_» "sudo chroot /tsap"
[20:39] <ubuntu_> sudo chroot /tsap gives permission denied
[20:39] <MartinCleaver> Hi. Install, Manual partitions says "You need to specify a partition for the root file system (mount point "/") with a minimum size of 2GB, and a swap partition of at least 256MB"
[20:40] <jackault> Is there some setting I can change so that konversation highlights the specified name on irc?
[20:40] <MartinCleaver> Once the partition is made and I select the root partition I get the error:
[20:40] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: How did you mount it?
[20:40] <MartinCleaver> No root fille system is defined. Please correct this frm the partitioning menu
[20:40] <ubuntu_> daskreech from system settings gui
[20:40] <BluesKaj> jackault: use the tabkey
[20:40] <limbeaux> i had to delete the partition and then add a new one. ONly then was i able to format and reinstall
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> jackault» unless its your's... no
[20:41] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Hmm I forget if that gives the right permissions
[20:41] <MartinCleaver> oh! Should I give it the mount point of /?
[20:41] <limbeaux> MartinCleaver you have to set a partition to "/"
[20:41] <MartinCleaver> got it! I was saying to mount it under /mnt
[20:41] <jackault> BluesKaj: Tab key? No I mean I want to highlight another name for *me*
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> :)
[20:42] <limbeaux> That graphical installer is such a pain that i downloaded the alternative and used the text installer.
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> jackault» might be a better question for #konversation
[20:43] <Crashed> I still can't get this damn TV tuner working in either Kubuntu or Windows.
[20:43] <ubuntu_> daskreech what permissions does it need and how do change to them_
[20:44] <jackault> kk got it, it was all 'highlight' with regexes and what not.
[20:44] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Unmount it and mount ffrom the command line
[20:44] <BluesKaj> you can setup Fonts in the configure / konverstaion to show nicknames in bold and in "colours "
[20:44] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: You know how to do that?
[20:44] <limbeaux> i never would have though that desktop sharing would be such a challenge
[20:44] <DaSkreech> limbeaux: always the stuff you don't expect
[20:44] <niklasv> anyone know of an alternate server for kubuntu hardy alpha? ie not cdimage.ubuntu.com
[20:45] <MartinCleaver> wow. My screen just blacked out during install.
[20:45] <MartinCleaver> Has it trashed?
[20:45] <nosrednaekim> !hardy
[20:45] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[20:45] <ubuntu_> daskreech im not sure about the permissions part
[20:46] <niklasv> ah ok sorry
[20:46] <limbeaux> krfb ( i think)  works like vnc on windows, it would be nice if you could make it a service and not have to click the accept button to allow access
[20:46] <DaSkreech> sudo mount /dev/device /tsap -o umask=0022
[20:46] <DaSkreech> then sudo chroot /tsap
[20:46]  * MartinCleaver wonders whether the machine is installign
[20:46] <limbeaux> MartinCleaver  probably not,  mine did the same thing
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> MartinCleaver» totally?
[20:46] <MartinCleaver> should I be able to ctrl-alt-f2?
[20:46] <MartinCleaver> yes
[20:47] <limbeaux> MartinCleaver give it a minute to be sure
[20:47] <MartinCleaver> I was in the graphical installer, installing off a DVD
[20:47] <ubuntu_> daskreech where does the fs type go
[20:47] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Should auto detect
[20:47] <DaSkreech> Linux is a lot friendlier these days :)
[20:47] <MartinCleaver> mind you, when I booted off the DVD, at one point the login screen corrupted for maybe 5mins
[20:48] <limbeaux> yes
[20:48] <limbeaux> that has happened to me too
[20:48] <MartinCleaver> hmm. caps lock is not responding though
[20:48] <ubuntu_> daskreech it wont autodetect..... its ext3
[20:48] <MartinCleaver> DVD light is off
[20:48] <DaSkreech> sudo mount /dev/device /tsap -o umask=0022 -t ext3
[20:49] <ubuntu_> daskreech still no go..
[20:49] <limbeaux> MartinCleaver:  i have had so many problems with that installer, i gave up on it.  It really is much simpler to use text install.
[20:50] <MartinCleaver> i just used the default
[20:50] <MartinCleaver> would have happily used the text one
[20:50] <Y-Town> anyone know of a gnome application that will allow you to use a control panel atmosphere more like KDE control panel?
[20:50] <limbeaux> funny thing is that i don't see the option on the "desktop" download.  I had to download the "Alternative"  version to get the text install
[20:50] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Are you sure you are using the right /dev ?
[20:50] <ubuntu_> yes
[20:51] <limbeaux> "text install" option
[20:51] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: What' the error?
[20:51] <Crashed> Can anyone help with a TV tuner issue? I can't seem to properly configure my pci tv card.
[20:51] <DaSkreech> !tv
[20:51] <ubotu> http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out
[20:51]  * DaSkreech hides :)
[20:51] <Crashed> I have raped linuxtv.org to death :(
[20:52] <ubuntu_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[20:52] <MartinCleaver> how long should I leave this machine before resetting it?
[20:53] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: what device are you mounting ?
[20:53] <ubuntu_> my hdd partition
[20:54] <ubuntu_> detected as /dev/sda1
[20:54] <Y-Town> anyone know of a gnome application that will allow you to use a control panel atmosphere more like KDE control panel?
[20:54] <MartinCleaver> My monitor is implying that it is getting no signal
[20:54] <Arwen> Y-Town, gnome-control-center perhaps
[20:54] <MartinCleaver> dvd light is off
[20:54] <Arwen> or gconf-editor
[20:54] <Y-Town> Arwen: Thanks  I will take a look
[20:55] <MartinCleaver> hah, but the hard disk light is on, and I did tell it to format the disk
[20:56] <limbeaux> MartinCleaver 5 mins  or so.  kubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso  is what i used to install because of error just like that
[20:56] <sd132> why do i have 2 incks?
[20:56] <sd132> *nicks
[20:56] <MartinCleaver> does this mean I have to download a whole new dvd? I'm installing for 64bit
[20:57] <BluesKaj> sd132: cuz you prolly din't exit the chat client the last time
[20:57]  * MartinCleaver is on his eeepc now
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> MartinCleaver» you can just reboot and install with the alternate installer.... it should be on the same DvD.
[20:58] <nosrednaekim> MartinCleaver» ahhh! I want!
[20:58] <sd132> BluesKaj: i did, i the second nick just showed up a few minutes ago and there both registered to me
[20:58] <Y-Town> Arwen: Thanks, Thats exactly what I was looking for.  I wonder why ubuintu doesnt put it in the settings list
[20:58] <MartinCleaver> how long might  a 12gb disk format take? I suspect that's the first action it is taking and would prefer to not interrupt it
[20:59] <MartinCleaver> disk light is on solid
[20:59] <Arwen> MartinCleaver, it ought to take seconds..
[20:59] <MartinCleaver> oh
[20:59] <MartinCleaver> in that case
[20:59] <sd132> it kicked me to my alt nick and stayed
[20:59] <nosrednaekim> MartinCleaver» if the disk light is on... its probably ok
[20:59] <BanTam> 80gb format took about a minute or 2 for me
[20:59] <nosrednaekim> waiting can'thurt I suppose
[20:59] <Arwen> unless you tried zeroing it...
[21:00] <MartinCleaver> 3:53 I started
[21:00] <Arwen> then that's 20s/GB
[21:00] <MartinCleaver> didn't do any zeroing
[21:00] <MartinCleaver> dvd light is still off
[21:00] <MartinCleaver> who votes to kill it?
[21:01] <BluesKaj> sd132: did you just register?
[21:01] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: Any idea why ubuntu_'s partition won't mount ?
[21:01] <crashed> Day 3/4 of trying to get this tv card to work.
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech» try mounting without a -t?
[21:02] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: Yeah it freaks
[21:02] <DaSkreech> that's why I addded the T
[21:02] <DaSkreech> sudo mount /dev/device /tsap -o umask=0022 -t auto
[21:02] <ubuntu_> ok i got it not
[21:02] <ubuntu_> now
[21:02] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: :-P
[21:02] <sd132> BluesKaj: no, all of a sudden it said  my nic was already used and forced me to my secondary
[21:02] <DaSkreech> what did you do?
[21:03] <sd132> now its gone...wierd
[21:03] <sd132> it must be a hac
[21:03] <ubuntu_> sudo mount -o rw /dev/sda1 /tsap
[21:03] <MartinCleaver> meh
[21:04] <MartinCleaver> nothing
[21:04] <Dakon> tackat: ping
[21:04] <ubuntu_> thanks daskreech
[21:04] <tackat> pong
[21:04] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: So why was it cursing about the file system ?
[21:04] <DaSkreech> hi tackat
[21:04] <MartinCleaver> reset
[21:04] <tackat> hi DaSkreech
[21:04] <Dakon> Cebit time ;)
[21:05] <tackat> hi Dakon
[21:05] <tackat> Dakon: did you have a look at the wiki?
[21:05] <Dakon> do it here or somewhere else?
[21:05] <Dakon> yes
[21:05] <ubuntu_> hey im the noob here
[21:05] <Limbeaux> i am also trying upgrade to kde4  all it said was to install kde4-core,  is there more to install?
[21:05] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu_» hehe...well good job :)
[21:05] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: ;)
[21:05] <nosrednaekim> Limbeaux» you can install "kde4" and that will give you everything
[21:06] <Limbeaux> ahh ok.
[21:06] <MartinCleaver> ok. I don't seem to be able to control that dvd boot menu
[21:06] <MartinCleaver> cursors don't work
[21:07] <MartinCleaver> I have 2 usb keyboards
[21:07] <MartinCleaver> the one I use mostly  is bluetooth, but the other is hardwired
[21:08]  * MartinCleaver boots without bt kbd
[21:09] <MartinCleaver> nope. didn't like that
[21:09] <ubuntu_> ok. another one. if i have a cd and internet sources as repositories, will apt-get or adept prefer the cd repo first even if the version numbers are lower_)_!@#$%^&(`1234567890---=-+__))(~}{P}{O:L":
[21:10] <ubuntu_> whoops sorry
[21:10] <stdin> it will choose the CD only if the version on the CD is the same or higher than the one in the online repo
[21:10] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: how's kubuntu-kde4-desktop ?
[21:10]  * MartinCleaver curses
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech» whats that?
[21:11] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: CD first then internet. If the version numbers are the same
[21:11] <DaSkreech> In general that's what you want
[21:11] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_: open your sources.list and type # in front of the cd deb and save the file, if you dan't want the cd tobe a source
[21:11] <MartinCleaver> once the dvd boots can I use the text installer once kde starts?
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu_» erase the CD from the sources.list
[21:11] <MartinCleaver> keyboards worked fine from within
[21:11] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: I'm assuming that we have a KDE and a kubuntu-desktop
[21:11] <ubuntu_> i want to use only the cd even with lower versions
[21:11] <DaSkreech> so we probably have a KDE4 and akubuntu-kde4-desktop
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech» not sure how its working in hardy
[21:12] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Then erase the internet
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> but that sounds logical
[21:12] <DaSkreech> I should really jump to hardy next week
[21:13] <ubuntu_> where was sources.list again
[21:13] <DaSkreech>  /etc/apt
[21:14]  * MartinCleaver ponders
[21:14] <crashed> :(
[21:15] <DaSkreech> crashed: tried #ubuntustudio ?
[21:15] <crashed> Have not.
[21:15] <MartinCleaver> once the dvd boots can I use the text installer once kde starts?
[21:16] <MartinCleaver> I ask because from the boot menu the kbd is ignored
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> MartinCleaver» no
[21:18] <MartinCleaver> ugh
[21:18] <MartinCleaver> are usb kbds generally not okay?
[21:18] <weswh-> i can never remember how to empty the trash can...
[21:19] <weswh-> (or, how to get to it. heh)
[21:19] <MartinCleaver> maybe it matters which usb socket ?
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> MartinCleaver» hum, I heave heard of problems with them
[21:19]  * MartinCleaver grasps for straws
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> weswh-» its in .local/share/trash
[21:21] <weswh-> just go in there and delete it all?
[21:21] <weswh-> in the past i've had a trash can icon on the desktop or somewhere...but not since i installed feisty, i don't think
[21:21] <tin> you can add a trach applet to kicker
[21:21] <tin> or trash:// in konq iirc
[21:22] <stdin> weswh-: go to trash:/ in konqueror or dolphin
[21:22] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=99960 ^_^ ^_^
[21:22] <stdin> you can create a link to URL on the desktop and set the location to trash:/ if you want
[21:23]  * nosrednaekim looks
[21:24]  * MartinCleaver wonders might it work if I use an adapter and the ps2 socket?
[21:24] <BanTam> would i need a different ver of ndiswrapper for 64 bit?
[21:25] <nosrednaekim> BanTam» probably.... more importantly,you would need a 64 bit windows driver
[21:25] <BanTam> i have those already
[21:26] <kackvogel> hi
[21:26]  * MartinCleaver tries it
[21:26] <nosrednaekim> !info ndiswrapper
[21:27] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper does not exist in gutsy
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> MartinCleaver» that SHOULD work....
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> !ndiswrapper-common
[21:27] <BanTam> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> !info ndiswrapper-common
[21:27] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-common (source: ndiswrapper): Common scripts required to use the utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.43-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 18 kB, installed size 104 kB
[21:27] <MartinCleaver> yes, it did
[21:27] <MartinCleaver> ok, so I want "Install in text mode"?
[21:27] <DFlame> hullo folks, what can you recommend for streaming audio to a shoutcast server?
[21:28] <MartinCleaver> my bios sees my wireless kbd, I don't see why ubuntu should have been fussy about it
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech» nice article
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> MartinCleaver» yup
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> MartinCleaver» its GRUB...
[21:28] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: Should keep a list of things that need to be looked at
[21:28]  * MartinCleaver boots
[21:29] <nosrednaekim> ya
[21:29] <MartinCleaver> seems happier
[21:29] <MartinCleaver> thansk
[21:29] <MartinCleaver> thanks, even
[21:29] <ubuntu__> jhhhhh]
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> BanTam» looks to me that ndiswrapper(the driver) nwo comes with the kernel image...
[21:30] <gijilos> geia se olous
[21:30] <BluesKaj> BBL , gonna reboot my old router
[21:30] <gijilos> exw ena provlima eimai neos sto linux
[21:31] <stdin> !gr
[21:31] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[21:31] <gijilos> exw to kubuntu
[21:31] <gijilos> kai den mporw na vrw kapoio messenger
[21:31] <gijilos> gia na mepenw sto msn messenger
[21:31] <gijilos> mipws mporei kapoion na me voi8isei ?
[21:31] <stdin> !gr | gijilos
[21:31] <ubotu> gijilos: #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[21:31] <crashed> Why did I have to uninstall kubuntu? :(
[21:34] <Limbeaux> hmm i keep getting forbidden when trying to install kde4.
[21:35] <dan__> What do most of you prefer: KDE or Gnome?  I have tried both and still a little unsure which I will go with
[21:35] <jpatrick> dan__: I prefer KDE
[21:36] <dan__> jpatrick: do t=you run ubuntu with kde loaded or just kubuntu?
[21:36] <DaSkreech> dan__: Wrong chan to ask that
[21:36] <jpatrick> dan__: just Kubuntu
[21:36] <jetsaredim> i accidentally fat-fingered a chmod command and 777'd / on my server - is there any way to get out of this without reinstalling?
[21:37] <dan__> DaSkreech: Just looking for a senses...
[21:37] <DaSkreech> dan__: really use the one you feel more comfortable/productive in
[21:37] <stdin> if you ask in #kubuntu, you're going to get the answer "kde"
[21:38]  * DaSkreech whispers That means KDE to dan__ ;-D
[21:38] <dan__> :o)
[21:38] <jetsaredim> is there a default root password?
[21:38] <DaSkreech> dan__: What you can do is stuff that bugs you about either environment ask about it in the respective chans.
[21:38] <stdin> !root | jetsaredim
[21:38] <ubotu> jetsaredim: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[21:38] <nosrednaekim> !root
[21:39]  * stdin wins
[21:39] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: ooooollldd :)
[21:39]  * nosrednaekim has lag....
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> this show me hitting it before you ;)
[21:39] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah I hate that
[21:39] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: admit it, we faster than me
[21:39] <jpatrick> you*
[21:40] <MartinCleaver> can lvms only contain one primary partition?
[21:40] <jetsaredim> stdin: did you not see my comment about chmod -R 777 /??
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> we faster than me?.....schitzophrenia is a terrible thing my freind(s)
[21:40] <jetsaredim> I can't get sudo to work since its not setuid root
[21:40] <MartinCleaver> or one partition, period?
[21:40] <DaSkreech> dan__: #kubuntu will help you get over KDE annoyances and #ubuntu will help you get over Gnome annoyances
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> jetsaredim» you're going to need to chroot in from a liveCD
[21:41] <stdin> jetsaredim: well you'll have to try booting into recovery mode then and fix manually
[21:41] <DaSkreech> If you have something you can't get around then you can start to make choices based on how much either side will rub you the wrong way
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> dan__» and if you ask for help with your GNOPME annoyances here, we are going to say "GNOME IS an annoyance.. switch to KDE"
[21:41] <jetsaredim> stdin: sounds like i should just reinstall
[21:41] <MartinCleaver> I have an LV and I was going to make 2 partiions in it, one for tmp, the other for root/
[21:41] <weswh-> does anyone know much about vmware server? the official support listed on their site doesn't sound perfect...but I've heard good things about just using apt-get install vmware-server...
[21:41] <weswh-> running feisty - should i look at an alternate package?
[21:41] <stdin> jetsaredim: if you did chmod recursively, then it may be easier (after a backup)
[21:42] <MartinCleaver> weswh-: I installed vmware server easily on a centos box
[21:42] <MartinCleaver> I think I just used a package
[21:42] <MartinCleaver> worked like a charm
[21:42] <DaSkreech> dan__: Having said all that how can we convince you that KDE is the one and only choice for you to get married to?
[21:42] <weswh-> mmhmm. just wondering if the official repo for is the way to go
[21:42] <dan__> It has only been 10 years since I been on IRC.. so needles to say..
[21:42] <MartinCleaver> I have an LV and I was going to make 2 partiions in it, one for tmp, the other for root/ - it seems to let me only create one partition, and then calls the rest of the space unusable.
[21:42] <nosrednaekim> wedding! I love weddings! drinks all around!
[21:43] <weswh-> dan__: welcome back?
[21:43] <nosrednaekim> weswh-» if it has the latest version, yes... of not, no :)
[21:43] <dan__> DaSkreech: Im torn... I generally like KDE better....
[21:43] <weswh-> nosrednaekim: yeah I am a bit of a newbie when it comes to apt still. to look at the exact version of what will be installed, what's the syntax?
[21:43] <DaSkreech> \o/
[21:44] <MartinCleaver> why does it call the rest unusable? the graphical one didn't have this constraint.
[21:44] <nosrednaekim> weswh-» apt-cache policy vmware-server
[21:44] <nosrednaekim> dan__» do you use more kde apps,or more GNOME/gtk apps?
[21:45] <MartinCleaver> I suppose I'm not going to get an answer
[21:45] <dan__> DaSkreech: I just got back on linux after ten years as well.... Atleast I found the right distro to start with
[21:45] <DaSkreech> dan__: The Kommunity here is great
[21:45] <weswh-> now this is a very basic question...but, when I do an 'update' and fetch list of updates etc, am I getting the latest apt list refreshed and stuff?
[21:45] <DaSkreech> MartinCleaver: Did you read the LVM docs?
[21:45] <Arwen> am I the only one that thinks Kubuntu's default panel laout is ugly?
[21:45] <Arwen> huh
[21:45] <weswh-> or is it like BSD, where I need to 'update ports'
[21:46] <DaSkreech> weswh-: It goes to the server and updates the list of what is available and what version it is
[21:46] <dan__> nosrednaekim: kde.... but from what I seen gnome has a couple that are nice too
[21:46] <DaSkreech> Arwen: highly doubtful
[21:46]  * MartinCleaver has been battling with http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-install-ubuntu-over-lvm-filesystem#comment-906
[21:46] <DaSkreech> MartinCleaver: this is with the alternateCD?
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> weswh-» no.... you only need to run that one command.
[21:46] <dan__> nosrednaekim: Remote desktop in gnome I found to be far superior
[21:47] <MartinCleaver> no, its with the text installer, it included an LVM option
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> weswh-» its not like ports/gentoo where you have to relink dependednies and such (I think thats what that does)
[21:47] <MartinCleaver> It sees the LVs no problem
[21:47] <weswh-> DaSkreech: so ubuntu does everything from the server with regard to apt...in real time? and only falls back to something if you've told it you aren't using internet etc.
[21:47] <DaSkreech> dan__: tried krdc ?
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> dan__» tryed krdc?
[21:47] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: oooolld :)
[21:47] <DaSkreech> Lag sucks
[21:47] <weswh-> that's very slick...i hate managing the ports tree in BSD. i mean, it's interesting from a standpoint that I in theory know what is there...but I could always roll back to something older if I needed to
[21:47] <MartinCleaver> it just doesn't let me create a second partition inside an LV. This could be by design, that would make sense I suppose
[21:47] <dan__> DaSkreech: Yep.... dont like it
[21:47] <jpatrick> !lag | nosrednaekim
[21:47] <ubotu> nosrednaekim: You have lag, I don't have lag
[21:47] <weswh-> much nicer that things are just called up as needed
[21:48] <nosrednaekim> haha... I know... youtube sucks too much bandwidth
[21:48] <MartinCleaver> had it not been that the graphical installer let me do it I would not be trying now
[21:48]  * MartinCleaver wonders whether to care about separating /tmp from /
[21:49] <dan__> DaSkreech: Terminal Server Client was great and very fast for me to log into my server
[21:49] <MartinCleaver> ok. well I'll just put it together I guess. Didn't hurt last time.
[21:50] <DaSkreech> MartinCleaver: Server?
[21:50] <DaSkreech> dan__: Well you can install that in KDE no issues
[21:50] <MartinCleaver> yes, but lightly loaded for now
[21:50] <MartinCleaver> more of a desktop really
[21:50] <MartinCleaver> I use vmware and run servers on it too
[21:51] <DaSkreech> MartinCleaver: no I meant a heavy server
[21:51] <MartinCleaver> so, no. Desktop.
[21:51] <DaSkreech> that's when you would start optimizing where /tmp is on the disk etc
[21:51] <BluesKaj> youtube is merely a curiosity to me, but it's great for testing flash on browsers  :P
[21:51] <dan__> DaSkreech: thats more than likely what I will do... I have it now.
[21:51] <DaSkreech> other wise /tmp with / is fine
[21:51] <MartinCleaver> ok. all in one will be fine
[21:51] <MartinCleaver> thanks DaSkreech
[21:51]  * MartinCleaver is now formatting
[21:53] <dan__> DaSkreech: I have both KDE and Gnome loaded on ubunt.  One my playing around and evaluating ends I will probably use the apps I like in both gnome and KDE using the KDE
[21:54] <DaSkreech> dan__: hoorah! drinks for nosrednaekim :)
[21:55] <david__> how to I enable the software package for' nvidia-glx-new'  ?
[21:55] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech» you know where that is from?
[21:55] <david__> appearanty this is what is blocking me from enabling 3d support
[21:56] <nosrednaekim> david__» use the restricted-manager-kde
[21:56] <david__> I did, that is what is giving me this error
[21:57] <sd32> does anybody know of a online virus scanner that works with linux?(so i dont have  to deal with installing clamwin)
[21:57] <weswh-> ok so I just went through this azureus update process...and it created a new startup script for me. fair enough...so I renamed it to what my old one was, simply 'azureus'. When I used to run that file...it ran the script and launched the app
[21:57] <weswh-> now it is opening in Kate...what's the difference? (clicking through konquerer)
[21:58] <nosrednaekim> david__» what error?
[21:58] <weswh-> ok there's something i don't get for sure. the old script...which is now named azureus.old - still launches the app...
[21:59] <bascule> file extensions mean nothing in linux
[21:59] <stdin> make sure it's executable
[21:59] <nosrednaekim> weswh-» did you make it executable
[22:00] <david__> "The software source for the package nvidia-glx-new is not enabled."
[22:00] <weswh-> wonderful...thanks guys.
[22:00] <weswh-> didn't intend to learn anything this afternoon :P
[22:00] <david__> how do I do that?
[22:00] <bluszcz> hello
[22:01] <not|root> Hi. Where can I learn more about enabling suspend-to-RAM and suspend-to-disk on kubuntu?
[22:01] <bluszcz> i've got weird problem after upgrade to 3.5.9
[22:01] <bluszcz> my kdesktop doesn't show my $HOME/Desktop but /
[22:01] <bluszcz> WTF?
[22:02] <stdin> david__: make sure you have "proprietary drivers for devices" enabled from adept (Adept -> Manage Repositories)
[22:02] <jhutchins_wk> bluszcz: Have you rebooted?
[22:02] <david__> ah ok
[22:03] <sd32> im leary of 3.5.9 because of the lack of support for it
[22:04] <bluszcz> jhutchins_wk: yes
[22:05] <nosrednaekim> bluszcz» yeah.... I know where that setting is.
[22:05] <david__> great thanks
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> bluszcz» hum.. I knowing tis in kcontrol SOMEWHERE
[22:07] <row> Anyone using network manager in the hardy kde4 alpha release here, can't get it to start here
[22:07] <row> rather odd
[22:07] <bluszcz> nosrednaekim: ?
[22:07] <stdin> row: tried starting it manually?
[22:07] <nosrednaekim> bluszcz» there is a setting somehwere for what your DESKTOP dir actually is
[22:07] <row> stdin yeah via command line and via run dialog
[22:07] <row> nothing happens
[22:07] <bluszcz> nosrednaekim: really?
[22:08] <row> no errors nothing
[22:08] <bluszcz> nosrednaekim: where? :D
[22:08]  * row checks syslog
[22:08] <nosrednaekim> bluszcz» i'm looking...
[22:08] <row> ah it works
[22:08] <row> it is loaded
[22:08] <row> but can't get config up
[22:09]  * row needs to set up ndiswrapper stuff
[22:09] <row> click manual config and nothing happens
[22:09] <nosrednaekim> bluszcz» sorry, can't find it.....
[22:09] <bluszcz> nosrednaekim: i've just found it!
[22:09] <nosrednaekim> bluszcz» where?
[22:10]  * row does via cli
[22:10] <bluszcz> nosrednaekim: Administration/Paths
[22:10] <bluszcz> i've changed it into $HOME/Desktop
[22:10] <bluszcz> but it doesn'nt work
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> awesome
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> yep.. thats ot :)
[22:11] <bluszcz> nosrednaekim: still the same :/
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> bluszcz» you gotta at least log out
[22:13] <bluszcz> nosrednaekim: :(
[22:13] <bluszcz> nosrednaekim: i kill kdesktop and run again
[22:13] <nosrednaekim> bluszcz» why not lgo tou
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> *log out
[22:14] <bluszcz> nosrednaekim: i logout
[22:14] <bluszcz> the same
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> bluszcz» odd
[22:15] <bluszcz> nosrednaekim: odd?
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> bluszcz» thats always fixed it from what I have seen
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> bluszcz» if you changed that setting back to ~/Desktop
[22:17] <bluszcz> nosrednaekim: :/
[22:23] <miladen> Hey, when my computer starts up it shows the screens "mode not supported" screen so i cant see my bios or anything... what do i do?
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> miladen» you can't even see the BIOS?
[22:24] <miladen> i cant see the bios but as soon as the kubuntu interface starts it shows everything fine
[22:25] <hola> my webcam is not recognized by ubuntu
[22:26] <trappist> miladen: if your monitor can't display your bios (never heard of that one before) you might try asking in #hardware - ubuntu's not loaded at that point
[22:26] <bluszcz> nosrednaekim: which option in kdesktoprc sets it>?>
[22:26] <olie> stdin
[22:26] <stdin> olie
[22:26] <arcticpenguin380> is reiserfs journalled?
[22:27] <trappist> arcticpenguin380: yes
[22:27] <arcticpenguin380> then why do i always get corrupted trees then?
[22:27] <trappist> arcticpenguin380: that is, the metadata is journaled.  not sure if you can enable data journaling.
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> bluszcz» doesn't seem to be one in there.
[22:28] <trappist> arcticpenguin380: good question, that's why I quit using reiserfs :)  also you could have a hardware problem on your drive
[22:28] <arcticpenguin380> !metadata
[22:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about metadata - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:29] <arcticpenguin380> i know what metadata is but what is filesystem metadata?
[22:29] <rickest> arcticpenguin380: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReiserFS#Criticism
[22:30] <trappist> arcticpenguin380: metadata journaling is like, before it commits an action it logs "about to do this", then it does it, then it logs that it was done.  so when you reboot, if there's an "about to do this" log without a "done" log, it executes the transaction.
[22:31] <panzi> hi
[22:31] <trappist> rickest: nice link
[22:32] <panzi> the kubuntu repositories seem to be broken!
[22:32] <panzi> all .deb files have a size of 0 bytes when you download them
[22:32] <stdin> which one, there are many mirrors
[22:32] <gshie> a few days ago i installed KDE using the kubuntu-desktop (and other packages). For several days, it would just stop when it it got to 'initializing system services' when launching KDE but today it decided to work for some reason. I looked it up on the docs and a lot of people seem to have had this problem...... does anybody here know about that?
[22:32] <arcticpenguin380> oh well i will go to JFS then
[22:32] <panzi> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-357 feisty main
[22:32] <trappist> arcticpenguin380: I'm pretty happy with ext3 now
[22:33] <panzi> if there are mirrors, where can I find a list?
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> !langpack | gshie
[22:33] <ubotu> gshie: A recent update broke some KDE language packs, leaving the user unable to login. (http://launchpad.net/bugs/195647) This has now been fixed and an updated package is in the -updates repo. If you removed the packages with the interim fix you can reinstall them with: << sudo apt-get install language-pack-kde-en language-pack-kde-en-base >>
[22:33] <trappist> arcticpenguin380: I tried xfs for a while, but grub hates it if /boot is on xfs
[22:33] <panzi> actually it seems to be all under http://packages/*
[22:33] <gshie> ubotu: thanks!
[22:33] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[22:35] <stdin> panzi: I think it's being removed due to lack of use, why not upgrade to gutsy anyway?
[22:35] <panzi> damn
[22:35] <panzi> I cant
[22:35] <panzi> well not yet
[22:35] <panzi> I have no time for an big system update
[22:35] <panzi> gah, I should have downloaded all the packages before they removed it
[22:35] <stdin> it's been out for months, hardy will be out soon
[22:36] <panzi> but I didnt had time!
[22:36] <panzi> damnit, thouse half year release cycles are far to short
[22:36] <panzi> i have time to update in summer break
[22:36] <stdin> you haven't found time in nearly 5 months?
[22:36] <panzi> I update once a year!
[22:37] <panzi> yeas
[22:37] <panzi> yes
[22:37] <stdin> well, start planning an hour or two, it's not an interactive process after it starts so you just need to check on it every 10-15 mins
[22:37] <panzi> because its tedious
[22:38] <trappist> stdin: it does get interactive when it finds modified config files
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> tedious? its one command.... but do do back ups :)
[22:38] <panzi> it's not an hour. i have installed a lot on my system which is not provided by ubuntu and therefore this all will stop to work when the system is updated.
[22:38] <stdin> it should ask those all in one go, when pre-configuring
[22:39] <panzi> therefore its more easy when I install the system from scratch
[22:39] <trappist> panzi: that's why you stick with the package manager :) or put stuff like that on its own partition
[22:39] <panzi> and that takes twao days at least
[22:39] <trappist> stdin: I didn't have any such luck on my gutsy upgrade
[22:39] <panzi> LOTS of stuff is just not available in the pkg mngr
[22:40] <panzi> like updated thunderbird (security updates)
[22:40] <stdin> security updates are always available
[22:40] <stdin> if not file a bug
[22:40] <panzi> or netbeans nightlieys (because of mercurial plugin and ws bpel etc.)
[22:40] <trappist> panzi: I try to keep distro-independent stuff in /opt, on its own partition
[22:41] <panzi> and then amarok is never up to date
[22:41] <gshie> is it just me, or is ubotu amazing?
[22:41] <panzi> and I had big problems with one amarok version (couldnt play most of my files) so I had to compile it myself
[22:41] <panzi> gshie: its just you. its a distro like every other
[22:42] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
[22:42] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[22:42] <trappist> panzi: a stable distro isn't going to give you new versions of software just because a new version's available.  you can find backports repos and 3rd party repos for updates to individual packages you like.  it's a lot better than building from source, especially when it comes time to upgrade the distro.
[22:42] <crashed> Hey guys, is there a way to revert changes I made to some configuration files?
[22:42] <crashed> I edited a few things and I don't remember what I edited anymore.
[22:42] <trappist> crashed: sure, just restore from backup!
[22:42] <crashed> Backup!?
[22:42] <crashed> I just installed Kubuntu. :(
[22:42] <trappist> I knew it.
[22:43] <stdin> crashed: sometimes it will save a backup with a ~ extention
[22:43] <nosrednaekim> crashed» probably not if you closed them
[22:43] <crashed> Looks like I'll have to reinstall this again.
[22:43] <trappist> crashed: try, sudo apt-get remove --purge package; sudo apt-get install package
[22:43] <crashed> Running Edgy here.
[22:43] <trappist> crashed: --purge gets rid of config files
[22:43] <crashed> It says it couldn't find package package.
[22:44] <gshie> panzi: i mean ubotu the bot here... i can't tell if its a bot or a person
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> crashed» why don't you order a gutsy CD from shipit?
[22:44] <gshie> panzi: it passes the turing test
[22:44] <crashed> How much is it?
[22:44] <trappist> crashed: not "package"... the package you want to reinstall.
[22:44] <panzi> gshie: ic
[22:44] <crashed> Oh!
[22:44] <crashed> Well, I edited some system files I believe.
[22:44] <trappist> crashed: you don't remember what files?
[22:44] <crashed> No sir.
[22:44] <gshie> panzi: also... panzi... is your name mandarin?
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> !gutsy
[22:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Gutsy:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - New Features: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710tour - Please use bittorrent to download if possible, see !torrents
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> crashed» free!
[22:45] <crashed> All I remember was modules.conf, not sure what else I edited. I was trying to get my tv tuner to work.
[22:45] <trappist> crashed: kinda hard to help you there
[22:45] <crashed> kmix crashes when I try running it now.
[22:45] <panzi> gshie: no. austrian. its short for Panzenböck, my last name. Panzenböck hast celtic roots
[22:45] <nosrednaekim> crashed» shipit is free... but shipping can take a little while
[22:45] <crashed> How long's a little while?
[22:46] <stdin> crashed: few weeks on average
[22:46] <crashed> Well, might as well order it now anyway.
[22:46] <gshie> panzi: oh i see
[22:46] <panzi> gshie: and you speak it "german": the "a" like the "a" in are and the z like "ts"
[22:46] <crashed> shipit.org, shipit.com?
[22:46] <jussi01> !shipit
[22:46] <ubotu> shipit is a service that sends free Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu CDs. See http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and http://shipit.kubuntu.org and http://shipit.edubuntu.org - Shipit will send Gutsy (7.10) CDs
[22:46] <nosrednaekim> !shipit
[22:46] <crashed> Ah wait, I'll be moving in a few weeks too. Probably shouldn't order it just yet.
[22:46] <gshie> panzi: ich verstehe
[22:47] <trappist> crashed: maybe you know somebody with a fat pipe and a cd burner?
[22:47] <nosrednaekim> and a blank CD
[22:47] <trappist> and a sharpie
[22:47] <jussi01> lol
[22:47] <gshie> ubotu: what are you?
[22:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about what are you? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:48] <crashed> $13 for Kubuntu?
[22:48] <stdin> !bot > gshie
[22:48] <MartinCleaver> thanks all, kubuntu is happily installed now
[22:48] <jussi01> :D
[22:49] <nosrednaekim> MartinCleaver» awwzome
[22:49] <crashed> http://ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=710624
[22:49] <crashed> Someone posted something 3 minutes ago and got 9 replies and 240 views.
[22:49] <crashed> I posted 7 minutes ago and I only have my own view.
[22:49] <crashed> :[
[22:50] <nosrednaekim> crashed» it all depends on how easy it is.
[22:50] <nosrednaekim> and how common
[22:51] <MartinCleaver> OMG. my screen just blacked!
[22:51] <nosrednaekim> crashed» I suppose you could order the kubuntu cd, from somewhere, they are usually fairly cheap
[22:51] <MartinCleaver> I was in the process of detecting a USB printer
[22:51] <trappist> MartinCleaver: try your shift key
[22:51]  * MartinCleaver taps it
[22:52] <MartinCleaver> nowt
[22:52] <stdin> gshie: I am
[22:52] <MartinCleaver> nothing with ctrl-alt-1/7
[22:52] <crashed> $4 shipping + $1 charge, yeah not bad but it'd only take me two or so hours to download 7.10 and $0.10 for a CD-R.
[22:52] <MartinCleaver> nothing with mouse
[22:52] <trappist> MartinCleaver: power cable?
[22:52] <trappist> is the machine running?
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> crashed» haha... then do that!... gutsy is so much better
[22:52] <trappist> keyboard lights flashing?
[22:52] <gshie> !bot
[22:52] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> MartinCleaver» ssh?
[22:53] <panzi> gah, does anyone know a sitll working package mirror for feisty?
[22:53] <stdin> panzi: only the official repos
[22:53] <MartinCleaver> no route to host
[22:53] <MartinCleaver> might be a firewall on it though?
[22:53] <MartinCleaver> default?
[22:54] <MartinCleaver> dest unreachable for ping
[22:54] <crashed> I'll see you guys later.
[22:54] <nosrednaekim> MartinCleaver» ah.. you probably need to install the ssh server
[22:54] <nosrednaekim> oh wow...
[22:54] <nosrednaekim> c ya crashed
[22:54]  * MartinCleaver is not happy
[22:54] <nosrednaekim> MartinCleaver» that really went down hard.
[22:55] <trappist> panzi: http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/CRAN/
[22:55] <MartinCleaver> lights are still on
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> MartinCleaver» is something overheating possibly?
[22:55] <MartinCleaver> worked fine under centos
[22:55] <trappist> panzi: err, http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/CRAN/bin/linux/ubuntu/feisty/
[22:55] <panzi> trappist: thanks
[22:55] <trappist> MartinCleaver: sounds dead to me.  reboot?
[22:56] <Artimus> Anyone get to mess with the Ubuntu Brainstorm site?  Slashdot killed it before I could try it.
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> MartinCleaver» what graphics card?
[22:56] <panzi> trappist: erm, that seems not to be a kubuntu repo (no kde packages there)
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> Artimus» yeah..I took a look
[22:57] <MartinCleaver> xfx 7600 i think
[22:57] <MartinCleaver> nvidia
[22:57] <trappist> panzi: yeah I'm starting to realize it's not what I thought it was...
[22:57] <Artimus> nosrednaekim: This is basically Digg with Ubuntu Wishlist Bugs, isn't it?
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> Artimus» use tuxmachines for "slashdot before slashdot spashdotts it"
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> Artimus» yeah
[22:57] <panzi> trappist: that are only R packages
[22:57] <Artimus> nosrednaekim: Not a bad idea.  Might be easier than Launchpad for newer users.  That's probably who should be making requests anyway.
[22:58] <nosrednaekim> yup... there were some good ideas on it
[22:59] <MartinCleaver> ok. i have to go.
[22:59] <MartinCleaver> thanks guys :(
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> MartinCleaver» sorry..
[22:59] <trappist> panzi: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+pub+feisty+index
[22:59] <Artimus> I've been working on KDE4 programming.  I think the best way to get ideas of what needs to be done is to ask new users.  I set a friend of mine up with Kubuntu.  I've been trying to make notes of things that caused troubles for him.
[23:01] <MartinCleaver> not your fault :|
[23:01] <MartinCleaver> ok. later
[23:02] <nosrednaekim> Artimus» ya... not many kde problems on there
[23:03] <Artimus> nosrednaekim: There's a few I'd like to add.  I'd like the System Services Editor to be fixed.  It lags.  Adept needs to be fixed.  I'm not sure I like synaptic much better, though...
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> Artimus» adept is getting re-worked for kde4
[23:04] <panzi> ok, in 3 weeks when I'll buy a new PC I'll switch to fedora again, I think
[23:04] <Artimus> nosrednaekim: Yes, but aren't we using KDE3 Adept until Intrepeid?
[23:04] <nosrednaekim> Artimus» probably.
[23:05] <panzi> good by
[23:05] <nosrednaekim> bye panzi
[23:09] <BluesKaj> heh, panzi, will be sorry :)
[23:09] <david__> I just installed a 56k modem in my linux machine what do I do now?  Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto - Also try disabling/removing KNetworkManager if KDE applications cannot connect using dial-up
[23:10] <david__> sweet thanks
[23:11] <Arwen> david__, is it a real modem? :-p
[23:13] <vers> why wont my computer recognize my external hard drive?
[23:13] <vers> im frustrated
[23:15] <vers> can anyone offer any help?
[23:22] <Artimus> vers: Unplug it and plug it back in?  I've had drives that wouldn't always recognize right away
[23:37] <mrunagi> does fdisk -l require sudo?
[23:38] <mrunagi> yes
[23:38] <mrunagi> lol
[23:39] <sd32> wow, the shoutcast servers are down
[23:40] <Artimus> sd32: Tried lastfm?
[23:41] <sd32> Artimus: yeah, but not as much variety
[23:41] <sd32> plus i keeploosing the password
[23:43] <sd32> plus i dont like scrobbling
[23:43] <Artimus> Fair enough
[23:43] <sd32> :-)
[23:43] <pedro> hi can anyone tell me tha packege for nevidia graphic cards
[23:43] <pedro> ??
[23:43] <sd32> i like songza
[23:44] <pedro> i have a 8800gt wolf edition
[23:44] <pedro> hi
[23:47] <sd32> the shoutcast outage is putting the kybosh on amarok
[23:51] <lupul> hi everyone. is there any other program like compiz-fusion? but to use less resources
[23:52] <SlimeyPete> lupul: KDE4 has some compiz-style stuff built in. Not sure how well it works though (it won't work on my laptop but then compiz doesn't work that well either)
[23:54] <mrunagi> does hardy have a live cd?
[23:54] <pushax> what's the cli for kernel version?
[23:54] <SlimeyPete> pushax: uname -a
[23:54] <pushax> SlimeyPete: thx
[23:54] <pedro> guys i need to know what is the nvidia driver
[23:55] <sd32> which one?
[23:55] <mrunagi> !hardy
[23:55] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[23:55] <SlimeyPete> pedro: the package for the "official" driver is called nvidia-glx, but the recommended way of installing is via the Restricted Drivers Manager
[23:55] <SlimeyPete> (nvidia-glx-legacy for old drivers I think)
[23:56] <pedro> ok thnaks :)
[23:56] <mrunagi> i have yet to get an answer so far lol
[23:57] <sd32> !patience
[23:57] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[23:58] <pedro> guys why i can't run wine on hardy
[23:58] <pedro> ??


[05:58] <mborzecki> morning
[06:28] <mardy> 'morning!
[07:07] <zyga-mbp> morning mardy, mvo :)
[07:08] <pstolowski> morning
[07:12] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: pstolowski mardy: heya
[07:12] <mborzecki> hot, isn't it? 🙂
[07:15] <mvo> good morning zyga-mbp pstolowski mborzecki and mardy
[07:15] <pstolowski> mborzecki: mhm..
[07:15] <mvo> mborzecki: it's getting better here, we are in the low 20s right now
[07:16] <mborzecki> mvo: still low 30s around here
[07:17] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki uff yeah
[07:17] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki I cannot wait for the rain to come
[07:17] <zyga-mbp> my office has no A/C so I'm outside in the shade, where it's colder
[07:19] <mvo> mborzecki: woah, ok - fingers crossed that you get the colder air we currently get soon too :)
[07:19] <zyga-mbp> mvo: low 20s? do you have some rain already?
[07:19] <mvo> zyga-mbp: we had some thunderstorms over the weekend
[07:19] <mvo> zyga-mbp: so yes :)
[07:20] <ogra> zyga-mbp, he's understating ... that was more than just hunderstorms 🙂
[07:20] <ogra> +t
[07:24] <zyga-mbp> I would love some rain but I think it's only tomorrow
[07:25] <zyga-mbp> I didn't do much over weekend, it's so hot that being outside is painful
[08:08] <mardy> pstolowski: hi! I'm looking into fixing the third point of https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/command-line-interface-to-manipulate-services/262/47 I just wanted to check that it's fine with you, since the git history shows that it was you who introduced the handling of disabled services
[08:26] <pstolowski> mardy: yes, of course it's fine
[08:28] <pstolowski> mardy: i suppose we will want to determine disabled services early before we call wrappers.StartServices, and pass them
[08:28] <pstolowski> mardy: so StartServices would be untouched by your changes\
[08:35] <pedronis> mvo: hi, are you are aware of this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1925787 ?
[08:36] <mvo> pedronis: I was but I think the comment is not fully up-to-date, iirc julian changed something in apt so that our stuff keeps working, I need to look into my irc logs
[08:37] <pedronis> mvo: I assigned it to you
[08:37] <mvo> pedronis: but yeah, it will come back at some point, I put it on my todo and will investigate today
[08:37] <mvo> pedronis: thank you
[08:56] <mardy> pedronis, pstolowski: I guess I should also apply the same logic to sockets and timers (which are currently always unconditionally enabled when StartServices() is called)? https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/wrappers/services.go#L270
[08:57] <pedronis> mardy: I'm not suree if the irc is the best to discuss this, maybe you should write down a list of the expected changes somewhere
[08:58] <pedronis> expected/proposed
[09:05] <pstolowski> there are a couple of bug reports related to sockets/timers
[09:11] <mardy> pedronis: ok, I'll prepare one in Google Docs, then once we are close to an agreement we can post it to the forums
[09:59] <pedronis> mardy: thx (was in a meeting)
[10:04] <mborzecki> hmm hmm, so something works, the check for mount ns being occupied in s-c goes through cgroups now
[10:31] <mardy> pedronis: here's a summary: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l0x_Qmu1BBI39ZlDAtudRzJUJcy548KUua2b6Gou0J8/edit
[10:32] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki something unexpected?
[11:08] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: not really, just annoying
[11:39] <pedronis> mardy: queued to look at, thx
[11:57] <pedronis> pstolowski: I commented here https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10408/commits/7a56d913276e079178c76811e61f6561f084d9b5, let me know if you have questions, the related current code is fairly dispersed in the code base
[12:00] <pstolowski> pedronis: thanks
[12:49] <pedronis> mborzecki: questions in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10432
[12:49] <ijohnson[m]> morning folks
[12:49] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: I rebased https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10410, not sure if you need/want to review that one, it is simple
[12:51] <pedronis> ijohnson[m]: not particularly but it has no reviews atm
[12:51] <ijohnson[m]> yeah I know, but it got conflicted when mvo landed the other quota PR's this morning
[12:52] <ijohnson[m]> and it will cause further conflicts with other quota things like https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10420 for example
[12:52] <ijohnson[m]> if it isn't landed early
[13:08] <zyga-mbp> ijohnson[m] good morning :)
[13:15] <ijohnson[m]> Hey zyga-mbp
[13:15] <zyga-mbp> small update on spread -> lava exporter
[13:15] <zyga-mbp> before the full lava exporter is ready there will be an intermediate shellcheck exporter
[13:15] <zyga-mbp> that creates a tree of scripts with variable assignments
[13:16] <zyga-mbp> that is somewhat shellcheck friendly (somewhat because we don't retain the original location in the yaml perfectly, so errors need to be mapped by a human)
[13:16] <zyga-mbp> I will share that as soon as it's ready for review
[13:39] <ijohnson[m]> zyga-mbp: so shellcheck will be run as part of spread? or part of the lava exported?
[13:39] <ijohnson[m]> *exporter
[13:39] <zyga-mbp> ijohnson[m], I've added spread -export shellcheck
[13:39] <zyga-mbp> this creates a tree of files you can then shellcheck
[13:39] <zyga-mbp> so you don't need lava
[13:40] <zyga-mbp> but the logic of how to create them is internal to spread so you don't need to play catch-up with features
[13:40] <zyga-mbp> including debug and stuff like that, that's less frequently looked at
[13:40] <ijohnson[m]> interesting, so that is pretty much like the spread-shellcheck script we have in snapd then ?
[13:40] <zyga-mbp> yes but better
[13:40] <zyga-mbp> it handles variants for example
[13:40] <zyga-mbp> in a precise way
[13:40] <ijohnson[m]> nice
[13:40] <zyga-mbp> also no need to reinvent the wheel of how spread loads a project
[13:40] <zyga-mbp> that's rather non-trivial
[13:43] <ijohnson[m]> 👍
[14:34] <mborzecki> mvo: just opened another bit: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10436
[14:34] <mvo> mborzecki: nice, thank you
[14:35] <mborzecki> heh, hope it's not too bad, and there's tests included too!
[14:36] <mborzecki> got some errands to run
[14:36] <mborzecki> ijohnson: enjoy your vacation!
[14:36] <ijohnson[m]> thanks bboozzoo !
[14:43] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: indeed the REST API refactor conflicts with #10420, so I will open another PR on top of 10420 for the REST API refactor as a draft
[15:36] <pstolowski> ijohnson[m]: +1 on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10410 with a small question; i see these extra meter (and timings) params are like a stone in the shoe ;)
[15:37] <ijohnson[m]> pstolowski: haha thanks for the review, yes these meters and timings are a bit annoying :-)
[15:42] <pstolowski> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10433 needs 2nd review
[15:43] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: also I was thinking about the spread test failures I mentioned last week in SU at some point where it seems like snapd is returning before things are fully done, whereas before we waited until they were fully done, well it's still happening and I think I understand the problem
[15:43] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: the issue is that we mark the task Done (and thus also the change which consists of just that one quota-control task) _before_ we do `systemctl restart ...` - previously we didn't return until those systemctl ops were fully done
[15:44] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: so in effect we are "returning" early in that the client which is checking the Done status of quota-control returns "Done" before we are done doing everything
[15:44] <ijohnson[m]> not sure if this is a problem or not, it is a bit unfortunate
[15:45] <pedronis> ijohnson[m]: you are right, this is very annoying
[15:46] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: I was thinking we could fix it by making 2 tasks - one which runs the state stuff and wrappers.EnsureSnapServices(), and the second task which runs `systemctl restart ...`
[15:46] <pedronis> I need to think, this is really another corner case in our state machine
[15:46] <ijohnson[m]> then if we get rebooted after the first task is done but before the second one, the second task will be idempotent
[15:46] <ijohnson[m]> but yeah a corner case indeed
[15:46] <pedronis> ijohnson[m]: we could, it's weird though :/
[15:47] <ijohnson[m]> I will mark the PR blocked and explain this so we don't forget at least
[15:58] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: I left a comment in the PR and marked it blocked
[15:59] <pedronis> ijohnson[m]: I checked, there is nowhere were we do something like this, we sometimes set DoneStatus early but then we don't unlock immediately afaict
[16:00] <ijohnson[m]> :-/
[16:01] <pedronis> ijohnson[m]: so it's a genunine new case, but also unique so far, I'm might just do something ugly but simple like introduce a task flag, we never do because is repeating the work of the state machine, but here it would not
[16:01] <ijohnson[m]> yeah that's kinda like what I described as option 3 in my comment
[16:02] <pedronis> it might need to be Set("state-updated", true") and a Get at the start
[16:03] <pedronis> Ensure is idempotent anyway
[16:03] <ijohnson[m]> oh no that's not like what I described, but I see what you are saying now
[16:03] <ijohnson[m]> yeah that's fair, should I work on trying to implement that in the PR?
[16:04] <pedronis> it shouldn't be too hard, it's just weird,  but otherwise I can pick it up over the next days
[16:04] <pedronis> s/weird/unusual/
[16:08] <ijohnson[m]> ack, I'll give it a shot, it does sound fairly simple I think
[16:10] <pedronis> ijohnson[m]: now that I look it probably needs some refactoring, like moving to a single ensureCall in the parent
[16:10] <pedronis> *ensure call
[16:11] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: you mean in this PR or eventually? I think we know we eventually want to be able to handle multiple quota-actions in a single task, but I was hoping to not handle those sorts of things until we needed to with i.e. gadget seeding quota group setup
[16:13] <pedronis> ijohnson[m]: I think it's bit less repetive with that refactoring, the issue is basically that you need call ensureSnapServicesForGroup in any case, but if state-updated is true, you need to reconstruct it's arguments, the flow I think would be a bit more readable if this call was after the switch
[16:14] <pedronis> *its arguments
[16:14] <ijohnson[m]> hmm, it seemed a bit complex of a refactoring which is why I was hoping that it could be pushed off since the PR is already large and complex, but I suppose maybe it will make it easier, I will have a look
[16:42] <pedronis> ijohnson[m]: looking closer it seems we might have to stick the update(d) group on the task, instead of just a bool
[16:45] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: hmm
[16:45] <ijohnson[m]> why so?
[17:53] <pedronis> ijohnson[m]: when we remove the group we don't have grp anymore for example
[18:24] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: ah now I remember this problem yeah, hmm I'll have to look at it a bit, the group removal problem is tricky since we may need to traverse all the parents of the group that was removed


[14:49] <OvenWerks> zequence: through normal sw updates on 1404, I have over 10 kernels installed. The generic kernel for 1404 sets most of them for autoremove and my server has only two or three. What do we need to do with lowlatency so autoremove will get rid of some of these old kernels?


[15:05] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?70765-Linux-Distros-User-Evaluations&p=392724&viewfull=1#post392724
[17:48] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: could you please link that to me over Telegram?
[17:48] <tsimonq2> can't copy/paste well on this SSH client :/


[19:12] <AlanBell> hi loco-council o/ any movement on the twinning thing yet?
[19:13] <czajkowski> nope :/
[19:13] <AlanBell> with the free CDs thing that we have been doing that has been very carefully targetted at the uk http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[19:14] <AlanBell> I get more emails from india than the UK
[19:14] <AlanBell> and I reply to them all saying get in touch with your local team
[19:14] <czajkowski> nods
[19:15] <czajkowski> there is an indian loco
[19:17] <AlanBell> not one with CDs
[19:18] <czajkowski> nope
[19:18] <czajkowski> but they are active
[19:18] <popey> the twinning thing is happening then?
[19:19] <popey> I thought it was rejected for this cycle
[19:19] <czajkowski> it's just taking some time it seems
[19:19] <czajkowski> and then xmas got in the way
[20:03] <AlanBell> nigelb: ^^


[20:56] <mwhudson> ginggs: so uh how much do we want to have c-blosc2 working on ubuntu armhf
[21:02] <mwhudson> oh wait maybe it's not so bad
[22:10] <sudip> tsimonq2: you might want to have a look at LP: #2052880
[22:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2052880 in lxqt-archiver (Ubuntu) "Can't create .zip archive. 'Failed to execute command.' and 'Archive not found' errors" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2052880
[23:50] <mwhudson> ginggs, _doko: ok i have a fix for c-blosc2 on armhf. but the s390x build is still failing


[15:45] <tachyons> hi
[15:46] <tachyons> how to setup ppa dependancy in package recipe
[15:47] <tachyons> dobey, cjwatson  ping :-)
[15:49] <dobey> huh?
[15:50] <dobey> you want to depend on stuff in a different ppa than you're building it in?
[15:51] <tachyons> packages in same same ppa
[15:51] <tachyons> https://code.launchpad.net/~aboobackervyd/+archive/apertium-dailybuild/+recipebuild/651418
[15:51] <dobey> then you just need the packages to be published in that ppa
[15:52] <tachyons> here I want to store 2 packages in the dailybuild
[15:52] <tachyons> 1 .lttoolbox
[15:53] <tachyons> 2. apertium
[15:53] <tachyons> apertium depends on the lttoolbox
[15:53] <tachyons> I successfully build lttoolbox using autobuild
[15:53] <tachyons> but apertium shows error https://code.launchpad.net/~aboobackervyd/+archive/apertium-dailybuild/+recipebuild/651418
[15:54] <dobey> tachyons: probably a patience problem then
[15:54] <dobey> tachyons: the dependency must be built in the PPA already *and* published
[15:56] <tachyons> it is already built and published
[15:56] <tachyons> here it is https://code.launchpad.net/~aboobackervyd/+archive/apertium-dailybuild/+packages
[15:57] <dobey> tachyons: it is *now* yes, it might not have been when the build tried to install it
[15:57] <tachyons> dobey, normal ppa build works , but autobuild ignores dependancies in same ppa
[15:57] <dobey> no
[15:58] <tachyons> then ?
[15:59] <tachyons> I have to go
[15:59] <tachyons> bye


[13:25] <blupp> hallo
[22:17] <micahg> charlie-tca: BTW, I can approve most xubuntu bug nominations if you need something
[22:18] <micahg> also, there's a meeting tomorrow, but not the 30th, or the other way around?
[22:18] <charlie-tca> Okay, great! I usually just wait for mr_pouit to catch them
[22:18] <charlie-tca> no meeting tomorrow
[22:18] <micahg> ok
[22:19] <charlie-tca> Went through my 200 new/incomplete bugs. Working the Xubuntu lists now