[12:23] <spasticteapot> You know...one that could provide computer use to people in relatively poor nations?
[12:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That's the mainboard and chip, nothing more.
[12:24] <spasticteapot> Er, yes.
[12:24] <spasticteapot> Add a CompactFlash card and power supply, and you're done.
[12:24] <spasticteapot> Maybe a bit more RAM.
[12:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> No storage, no monitor, no input devices.
[12:24] <spasticteapot> CompactFlash is cheap - I'd use it.
[12:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> OLPC provides that already.
[12:24] <spasticteapot> Run in RAM.
[12:24] <spasticteapot> OLPC is $150+ and not going to be done soon.
[12:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The market for this isn't developing countries, it's for specific niche uses here.
[12:26] <spasticteapot> ?
[12:26] <spasticteapot> Well, it does'nt have to be.
[12:26] <spasticteapot> There's a group of people working on using it for a $100 Pc.
[12:30] <Lsi> Cheapest way to produce a monitor, what would it be?
[12:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> One, or lots of them?
[12:30] <ChainedGX> i think someone is working on a linux laptop with a crank handle instead of batteries for $100
[12:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That would be OLPC.
[12:31] <Lsi> Thinking about that 100usd pc.
[12:31] <ChainedGX> they're targetting 3rd world
[12:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Although they've missed the $100 mark - it's heading more for $140 ish.
[12:31] <ChainedGX> ah
[12:32] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (That will probably drop once they start mass producing - so far, they've only made a few thousand.)
[12:32] <ChainedGX> i'm sure it will
[12:35] <ChainedGX> I would pay $140 just for the novelty of having a laptop with a crank on it.
[12:35] <spasticteapot> Nope - that's estimated even for mass production.
[12:35] <Howdy125> I'll sell ya a crank for $40
[12:35] <spasticteapot> Also, you have to buy 'em by the thousand.
[12:35] <spasticteapot> I'd buy one, though.
[12:36] <spasticteapot> If I could buy just one.
[12:36] <ChainedGX> lol
[12:36] <spasticteapot> In the meantime, I've got an IBM 240x I need to patch up.
[12:58] <vnchelper> Can someone help me  start a remote session to where I can see my gui? I don't have access to the machine GUI that I need... all I have is SSH access.
[12:58] <maxamillion> vnchelper: you could setup X over ssh
[12:59] <vnchelper> So I could actually see my gui through SSH?
[01:00] <vnchelper> What does that actually mean? Setting up X over ssh?
[01:01] <maxamillion> vnchelper: it lets you forward X over ssh so you can run gui applications
[01:01] <vnchelper> and actually see the interface?
[01:03] <maxamillion> yeah ... if you want full access to the desktop though it might be better to actually run vnc or an alternative
[01:03] <maxamillion> vnchelper: most of them aren't secure though
[01:03] <vnchelper> Security isn't too big of a personal issue for me.. but I don't think I can setup VNC over a remote SSH can i?
[01:04] <maxamillion> vnchelper: sure can
[01:04] <maxamillion> vnchelper: you can do anything from the command line that you can in a gui application :)
[01:06] <vnchelper> Well.. I started VNCserver before I left, and I set the pass, but when I try to connect to it, it won't let me, even though I did forward the ports
[01:07] <vnchelper> That's why I was looking for another solution
[01:10] <maxamillion> ohhh, yeah ... not entirely sure ... i only do ssh remotely
[01:11] <vnchelper> I'm trying to FTP into a server and download hundreds of files.. is that even possible through console with queuing?
[01:12] <maxamillion> vnchelper: of course ... just need the right ftp client :)
[01:12] <vnchelper> That'll run through console? That'd be awesome
[01:14] <maxamillion> vnchelper: actually ... midnight commands might be good for you ... it has a really nice cli "user interface"
[01:14] <maxamillion> commander*
[01:14] <vnchelper> I think I've heard about that.. isn't it through Norton?
[01:14] <maxamillion> vnchelper: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Commander <---info there and http://www.ibiblio.org/mc/ <--there
[01:14] <maxamillion> vnchelper: nope, GNU
[01:14] <maxamillion> !mc
[01:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:15] <maxamillion> !info mc
[01:15] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-5 (edgy), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[01:15] <vnchelper> Ahhh... and it does run with FTP?
[01:15] <maxamillion> vnchelper: just do "sudo aptitude install mc"
[01:15] <maxamillion> vnchelper: yeah, i will install it really quick to help you
[01:15] <vnchelper> Okay, thanks a lot! :)
[01:21] <Qew> lftp would be another suggestion for a CLI FTP client. Still, mc is damn good and well worth having on your system.
[01:22] <maxamillion> yeah ... i actually think mc comes default with xubuntu, i went to install it and it was already here
[01:22] <maxamillion> lftp? ... imma go look into that, i have used ncftp in the past but its not my favorite
[01:23] <Qew> oh, I had to install mc onto Dapper. So it must be a new thing to have mc as default.
[01:24] <Qew> and staying put for now ;)
[01:24] <maxamillion> ah, rgr ... i'm on feisty
[01:24] <Qew> it's good that it is on as default, though. Saves a few seconds and some bandwidth ;)
[01:26] <maxamillion> :)
[01:27] <maxamillion> don't quote me on that though, i might have installed it a long time ago ... this started as a dapper install and has been through 2 upgrades
[01:27] <Qew> ah
[01:27] <Qew> oh well, it's not too hard to get
[01:27] <Qew> but it should be default
[01:27] <maxamillion> i agree
[01:27] <Qew> I heard that irssi isn't default anymore, is that true?
[01:28] <maxamillion> yeah, they took it out right after dapper .... makes me sad
[01:28] <Qew> oh well, another wasted few seconds
[01:28] <maxamillion> agreed
[01:36] <psycho78> xubuntu livecd runs very slow on my old laptop. The install process is taking forever and seems to hang. Is there a way to install without booting the live cd?
[01:37] <maxamillion> psycho78: www.xubuntu.org/get <---download and "alternate cd" that boots to a command line text mode installer
[01:38] <psycho78> maxamillion: Ok, thanks.
[01:38] <maxamillion> np
[01:46] <brokenbin> hi
[01:46] <brokenbin> how do i create midi devices?
[01:47] <maxamillion> !midi
[01:47] <ubotu> Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[01:47] <maxamillion> brokenbin: try that link
[01:48] <brokenbin> ok thanks
[01:48] <maxamillion> np
[01:50] <brokenbin> maxamillion: how do it enable Universe repository?
[01:51] <maxamillion> brokenbin: you can do it in synaptic, that's the eaiest way ... just open synaptic and go to Settings->Repositories and click the little check box next to the universe repo
[01:51] <maxamillion> i have to go ... getting off work
[01:52] <brokenbin> ok
[01:52] <nekomancer> applications>settigns>software sources will also get you there
[01:53] <brokenbin> yep, i got it
[01:53] <brokenbin> thanks
[02:23] <nekomancer> wow.  really talkative  over here...
[02:24] <posingaspopular> nekomancer, talk talk jabber jabber
[02:31] <brokenbin> how do i let the computer start with some sound?
[02:31] <brokenbin> like a startup sound
[02:32] <nekomancer> brokenbin, you could set a startup script that makes a sound file play.
[02:32] <posingaspopular> brokenbin, it's possible, im just bad at everything
[02:33] <brokenbin> ic
[02:33] <brokenbin> ty
[02:33] <nekomancer> brokenbin, do you have the mp3 file you want?
[02:33] <brokenbin> yea
[02:36] <nekomancer> try making a script.
[02:37] <nekomancer> open mousepad
[02:39] <nekomancer> brokenbin, are you there?
[02:39] <brokenbin> yep
[02:39] <brokenbin> which file?
[02:41] <nekomancer> just a blank one
[02:41] <nekomancer> we are gonna write a little script : )
[02:41] <brokenbin> ok
[02:41] <nekomancer> have you done this before?
[02:41] <nekomancer> (writen a script)
[02:41] <nekomancer> (for the record, i belive that this is a harder way of doing it, but i am fairly sure it should work)
[02:42] <nekomancer> into mousepad type:
[02:42] <nekomancer> #!/bin/sh
[02:42] <brokenbin> yes
[02:44] <nekomancer> play <path to file from root>
[02:44] <nekomancer> two simple lines, which *should* work
[02:44] <brokenbin> ok
[02:44] <nekomancer> esp. if it is an ogg file
[02:44] <nekomancer> save the file, and then change it so it is an exicuatable script.
[02:45] <nekomancer> sudo chmod 777 <file> will do that
[02:46] <brokenbin> ok
[02:46] <brokenbin> hold on
[02:46] <brokenbin> let me log in and back out
[02:47] <nekomancer> then go to applications>settings>auto started applications, and add the script
[02:47] <nekomancer> k
[02:54] <joshritger> can someone point me at a tutorial for installing my wifi card?
[02:55] <posingaspopular> !wifi
[02:55] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:55] <joshritger> thanks
[02:56] <posingaspopular> np
[02:56] <nekomancer> well, that cheap and durty hack gets a 'works on my machine' lable
[02:57] <nekomancer> lsm
[02:59] <nekomancer> is whoever i was assiting with a startup sound earlier back in the room?
[02:59] <posingaspopular> brokenbin is the one you're looking for
[02:59] <posingaspopular> @nekomancer
[02:59] <nekomancer> thanks
[03:00] <nekomancer> i lost my history testing what i told him to do... nothing like just in time learning
[03:01] <brokenbin> nekomancer: yes
[03:01] <brokenbin> nekomancer: it is working
[03:01] <brokenbin> nekomancer: thanks a lot
[03:02] <nekomancer> your welcome
[03:02] <nekomancer> brokenbin, sorry it isn't the cleanest way, but methinks it is more fun
[03:02] <brokenbin> nekomancer: that's what's so great about linux, there's so many ways to work something out
[03:03] <nekomancer> brokenbin, that, and the fact you don't sell your soul to use it : )
[03:03] <nekomancer> brokenbin, do you know how to use orage (the callander) to start up playlists?  that was my favorite recent learning
[03:03] <brokenbin> nekomancer: yea, just learnt it
[03:04] <nekomancer> brokenbin, you have to be careful tho
[03:05] <brokenbin> nekomancer: i have my backups, don't worry
[03:06] <nekomancer> brokenbin, i didn't mean just that
[03:06] <nekomancer> brokenbin, http://xkcd.com/c196.html
[03:06] <nekomancer> brokenbin, make sure that doesn't happen to you.  no matter how fun it is
[03:07] <brokenbin> alright
[03:07] <brokenbin> let me take a look first of all
[03:09] <brokenbin> nekomancer: lol
[03:09] <nekomancer> brokenbin, there is also alt-over text (hover the mouse pointer)
[03:10] <nekomancer> brokenbin, XKCD is one of the best webcommics out there, there are many funny ones (that one just applied to this situation)
[03:10] <brokenbin> nekomancer: interesting
[03:16] <joshritger> does anyone know if a wmp54g v4.1 with the rt61 chipset wifi card is supported out of the box?
[03:16] <BFTD> hey all
[03:17] <nekomancer> hey there
[03:17] <nekomancer> joshritger, i don't have a clue
[03:17] <joshritger> k
[03:17] <nekomancer> joshritger, did it run in the live CD?
[03:17] <joshritger> didn't try
[03:18] <nekomancer> joshritger, it isn't hard to find out that way... the wonders of the live cd's
[03:18] <joshritger> wifi comes up in my network settings but i can't seem to get it to work
[03:18] <nekomancer> joshritger, somewhere there is a list of what works, but i don't know where
[03:18] <joshritger> ok
[03:18] <phix> nekomancer, hehe
[03:18] <nekomancer> joshritger, ndiswrapper isn't to hard to use either
[03:19] <nekomancer> phix, just read the xkcd?
[03:19] <joshritger> i tried it in fedora and i got it to work once and had it fail once
[03:19] <joshritger> LOL
[03:19] <nekomancer> phix, there are a ton of good ones in that commic area
[03:19] <joshritger> with identical installs
[03:19] <phix> nekomancer, no,  <nekomancer> brokenbin, that, and the fact you don't sell your soul to use it : )
[03:20] <nekomancer> phix, ah.  the xkcd is better (http://xkcd.com/c196.html)
[03:20] <phix> ok, I am going there now
[03:20] <phix> :)
[03:20] <nekomancer> phix, this one is more along the lines of the selling the soul comment tho http://xkcd.com/c225.html
[03:21] <phix> lol
[03:21] <nekomancer> joshritger, i HATE fedora.
[03:21] <nekomancer> joshritger, for more or less exactly that reason.  it doesn't always do the same thing!
[03:21] <joshritger> LOL, i couldnt get ubuntu or xubuntu to install for some reason it didnt like my drive
[03:22] <joshritger> but i finally got it
[03:22] <nekomancer> joshritger, what is the computer?
[03:22] <phix> heh
[03:22] <joshritger> amd 3000+ x64 gig crucial ram seagate sata 300 gig hard drive msi nvidia 6600
[03:23] <joshritger> misc other things
[03:23] <nekomancer> joshritger, ah, a 64-bit.  haven't had the chance to touch that yet
[03:23] <joshritger> my windows drive died last night
[03:23] <joshritger> i had windows xp x64 installed on it
[03:23] <nekomancer> joshritger, how are the aps avalable for ubuntu in it?  very broad spectrum or not?
[03:24] <joshritger> not sure, i am running the 32bit version or xubuntu
[03:24] <joshritger> i haven't run the 64bit yet
[03:24] <joshritger> 32bit xubuntu
[03:24] <joshritger> i dont see a need for 64bit right now, i haven't seen a performance gain yet
[03:24] <nekomancer> ah
[03:25] <phix> nekomancer, I am looking at th first comics, they don't make much sense to me
[03:25] <joshritger> i had x64 fedora core 6 and didnt see a diff from 32 bit
[03:25] <nekomancer> 64 bit can handle more than two gigs of ram
[03:25] <joshritger> yeah, i dont have that much yet, my next rig should
[03:25] <nekomancer> phix, the first xkcd's are just random pictures from the author's notebook, which he put online while testing a (fedora, i think) server
[03:26] <joshritger> nekomancer do you know if getting a bluetooth keyboard or mouse to work is hard?
[03:26] <nekomancer> phix, people found some of them, liked them, and demanded more.
[03:26] <nekomancer> phix, now he does full time comics.  they get better further on down the line
[03:27] <nekomancer> joshritger, i don't know.  my stuff is somewhat old...  no bluetooth
[03:27] <phix> fedora :S
[03:27] <joshritger> k, i got it workign in fedora so hopefully i can get it to work here
[03:27] <joshritger> LOL
[03:27] <nekomancer> joshritger, you should be able to.
[03:27] <joshritger> i know, i prefer a ubuntu derivative, but i couldnt get one to install at first
[03:28] <nekomancer> joshritger, becaue fedora only has a really cool name.  the entire system is a PAIN.  Debian style linux all the way!
[03:28] <phix> heh, a snapple
[03:28] <phix> it is infused with tin
[03:28] <nekomancer> phix, are you reading the mouse-over text also?
[03:28] <phix> there is mouse-over text? :O
[03:29] <joshritger> LOL they dont have stuff updated as much either, like they are still running old gaim and firefox
[03:30] <nekomancer> fedora just seems... sloppy.
[03:30] <n-iCe> how can i connect my wireless conection ?
[03:31] <phix> fedora just seems... redhatty
[03:31] <joshritger> LOL i am trying to figure mine out too
[03:31] <joshritger> LOL
[03:31] <joshritger> be back soon gotta restart
[03:32] <nekomancer> n-iCe, what is your wifi card?
[03:33] <n-iCe> smc
[03:33] <nekomancer> n-iCe, and does it respond already?
[03:33] <n-iCe> i checked with lsusb
[03:33] <n-iCe> and is there
[03:33] <n-iCe> but how to configurate it
[03:33] <nekomancer> n-iCe, what does iwconfig give you?
[03:34] <nekomancer> n-iCe, in the terminal
[03:34] <n-iCe> ok wait
[03:36] <joshritge1> back
[03:36] <joshritge1> oh lol diff screen name
[03:36] <joshritge1> LOL
[03:37] <nekomancer> n-iCe, if you want to just connect to a network, which is not wpa encrypted, i advise installing wifi-radar [ $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install wifi-radar #type in terminal]
[03:38] <nekomancer> n-iCe, iwconfig is the command for configuring it in the terminal, but i don't know how to use it myself
[03:40] <n-iCe> how can i install it if i don'0t have internet :)
[03:40] <n-iCe> let me check the iwconfig
[03:41] <n-iCe> i'm writing it
[03:42] <nekomancer> you have the net now, right?
[03:42] <n-iCe> no
[03:42] <nekomancer> do you have a aim client? or know how to send packages through xchat?
[03:42] <n-iCe> wait
[03:43] <nekomancer> (how are you in irc if you don't have the net)
[03:43] <n-iCe> just typing iwconfig i should get internet?
[03:43] <n-iCe> i'm in other pc...
[03:43] <nekomancer> i can send you the .deb for wifi radar.  on a base xubuntu install all dependancies for wifi radar are there or on the CD
[03:43] <nekomancer> so you don't need the net if you have a usb drive or some such thing
[03:44] <nekomancer> wifi config gives you info about what your wireless card is doing
[03:44] <nekomancer> what type of network are you trying to connect to?
[03:44] <phix> haha
[03:44] <phix> http://xkcd.com/c74.html
[03:44] <n-iCe> wait wait
[03:44] <n-iCe> dsl
[03:44] <n-iCe> wireless
[03:44] <n-iCe> in ubuntu works and i have the correct configuration
[03:44] <nekomancer> lo        no wireless extensions.
[03:44] <nekomancer> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[03:44] <nekomancer> eth1      IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"Archmage"  Nickname:"Archmage"
[03:44] <nekomancer>           Mode:Auto  Frequency:2.437 GHz  Access Point: 00:18:39:C1:5A:A6
[03:44] <nekomancer>           Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power:25 dBm
[03:44] <nekomancer>           RTS thr=2347 B   Fragment thr=2346 B
[03:44] <nekomancer>           Power Management:off
[03:44] <nekomancer>           Link Quality:100/100  Signal level:-69 dBm  Noise level:-256 dBm
[03:45] <nekomancer>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[03:45] <nekomancer>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[03:45] <nekomancer> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[03:45] <nekomancer> that is what my iwconfig looks like
[03:45] <n-iCe> ahaaa
[03:45] <n-iCe> mine too
[03:45] <n-iCe> something similar
[03:45] <n-iCe> so ?
[03:45] <nekomancer> so your wireless is working then?
[03:45] <nekomancer> how is the network secured?
[03:45] <n-iCe> no because i din't write key and id
[03:46] <phix> nekomancer, huge paste
[03:46] <phix> nekomancer, I will steal your MAC address
[03:46] <phix> :P
[03:46] <phix> you can't use it now :P
[03:46] <phix> hehe
[03:46] <n-iCe> uh ?
[03:47] <nekomancer> (if you don't get anything other than 'no wireless extensions', your wifi doesn't work)
[03:47] <n-iCe> says the same as you
[03:47] <n-iCe> almost the same
[03:47] <n-iCe> let me see in where
[03:47] <n-iCe> in wlan0
[03:47] <nekomancer> phix, sorry about the large paste, but it isn't like we are busy in here too much, and you can have my mac... oh, wait, you don't use the same address so it doesn't matter
[03:47] <phix> encryption isnt enabled, unless you didn't run that as root
[03:47] <phix> nekomancer, :)
[03:48] <phix> nekomancer, I know man, I was playing with you
[03:48] <nekomancer> phix, unless you are on my network... so you are the leacher!!!!
[03:48] <phix> hehe
[03:48] <n-iCe> so nekomancer? how can i write my info
[03:48] <n-iCe> to the wireless
[03:49] <phix> if I was on your network we wouldn't be able to comunicate if I was using your MAC address, our arp tables will have the crazies
[03:50] <ormiret> n-iCe: you want something like: 'sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid <networkID> key <encryption key>' then 'sudo dhclient wlan0'
[03:50] <nekomancer> if you do not have a wireless encrypt key, then just apps>system>network settigns and turning your wifi on should do the trick.
[03:51] <nekomancer> if you do have a key setup, do what he said :P
[03:51] <ormiret> nekomancer: can you set the SSID there?
[03:51] <nekomancer> yes.
[03:51] <nekomancer> in network settings?
[03:51] <nekomancer> yes.
[03:51] <nekomancer> in iwconfig?
[03:51] <nekomancer> yes
[03:52] <n-iCe> :o
[03:52] <nekomancer> but my key never worked in network settings.
[03:52] <ormiret> yeah, it was network settings I wasn't sure of.
[03:52] <nekomancer> i don't know why
[03:52] <n-iCe> then i should send: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid 2WIRE811 key<PHONE_NUMBER>
[03:52] <nekomancer> i blame the ndiswrapper
[03:52] <n-iCe> And that's all ?
[03:53] <nekomancer> if thta is your key.
[03:53] <nekomancer> and then the ' $ sudo dhclient wlan0'
[03:53] <n-iCe> yeeeeeah let me check
[03:53] <n-iCe> ok ok ok
[03:53] <n-iCe> let me check
[03:54] <nekomancer> phix, so what are you gonna do now? use my mac on n-iCe's wifi?
[03:54] <phix> heh
[03:55] <phix> why not :) pretend to be you ;0
[03:55] <phix> your using WEP ay
[03:55] <nekomancer> phix, yea.
[03:55] <phix> remember to change your key after you transfer 100, 000 packets :)
[03:56] <nekomancer> phix, because the area i live in is a tiny town where people don't understand computers.
[03:56] <phix> yeah :)
[03:56] <nekomancer> phix, seriously, it isn't a threat.  and the two open networks i can access make it even less so...
[03:56] <phix> I think my setup is a bit overkill
[03:56] <phix> 256bit AES
[03:57] <nekomancer> phix, and there is a college about two blocks away that... USES MAC FILTERING.
[03:57] <phix> nekomancer, lol
[03:57] <nekomancer> phix, which is easier than wep.  so i may be a joke, but i'm not the big funny one :P
[03:57] <phix> nekomancer, they have chickens or monkeys to manage that network?
[03:57] <nekomancer> phix, it is a m$ only shop.  what do you think?
[03:58] <phix> nekomancer, nah using WEP is still ok for home use, unless you live next door to an 1337 h4x0r that gets the WEP key sniffing thingy off google
[03:59] <nekomancer> phix, i think you really don't need to key them at all, at least where i am.  but you are correct, wep is strong enough to keep the casual surfers away... and if someone takes the time to break wep (all 10 min) they can ues my network
[04:00] <phix> :)
[04:00] <phix> where do you live and what connection do you have ? :P
[04:00] <nekomancer> phix, i have to say i have used one of them programs for fun once... cracked a friend's 'uncracrable' network.  she didn't believe me that wep was just like putting up a 'keep off the grass' sign
[04:00] <phix> heh, BRB
[04:03] <n-iCe> nekomancer !!
[04:03] <n-iCe> Done now ?
[04:03] <nekomancer> n-iCe, yes?
[04:03] <nekomancer> n-iCe, does it work?
[04:04] <n-iCe> well is like loading maybe
[04:04] <n-iCe> i don't know i should test firefox ?
[04:04] <n-iCe> now ?
[04:04] <nekomancer> n-iCe, it probley can't hurt, so long as whatever you did it in is ready for input...
[04:04] <n-iCe> let's see
[04:05] <nekomancer> n-iCe, run iwconfig again, as root ($ sudo iwconfig) and see what happens.
[04:08] <n-iCe> doesnt0 work i got messages:
[04:08] <n-iCe> No dhcpoffers
[04:09] <n-iCe> no working leases in persitent database - sleeping
[04:09] <phix> nekomancer,  :)
[04:10] <phix> nekomancer, so you are helping n-iCe setup a network? or are you connecting to his?
[04:10] <n-iCe> hahaha
[04:10] <ormiret> n-iCe: check that you're wireless card can see you're network: iwlist wlan0
[04:11] <nekomancer> phix, shhhhhhh
[04:11] <n-iCe> ok
[04:11] <n-iCe> unkown command
[04:11] <nekomancer> ormiret, i bow before your command line knowledge
[04:12] <ormiret> :)
[04:14] <phix> BBL
[04:15] <n-iCe> nekomancer ?
[04:15] <n-iCe> i have an idea
[04:15] <nekomancer> n-iCe, $ iwlist wlan0 scanning
[04:15] <n-iCe> where can i paste you something
[04:15] <nekomancer> i don't know irc very well.
[04:15] <nekomancer> i just lurk here when i feel the need to be helpful...
[04:16] <nekomancer> you can probley paste it here...
[04:16] <ormiret> !pastebin
[04:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:16] <n-iCe> nekomancer faled
[04:16] <n-iCe> failed the scan
[04:16] <nekomancer> ah
[04:17] <nekomancer> thanks, ubotu
[04:17] <nekomancer> i have learned more!
[04:17] <n-iCe> i wanna show you something
[04:17] <ormiret> !botsnack
[04:17] <ubotu> Yum!
[04:17] <nekomancer> use the pastebin thing
[04:17] <Jester45> !bug 1
[04:17] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[04:17] <ubotu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[04:17] <n-iCe> When i had installed ubuntu could detect my wireless i will show what shoed
[04:17] <n-iCe> showed
[04:18] <nekomancer> i love the bug 1 thing
[04:18] <n-iCe> when i typed ifconfig
[04:18] <nekomancer> humor is one of the other great things about open source stuff.
[04:19] <n-iCe> nekomancer: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13814/
[04:20] <n-iCe> and in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:20] <n-iCe> look:
[04:20] <n-iCe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13815/
[04:20] <joshritger> how do i log in as root or super user from the log in screen?
[04:20] <j1mc> Jester45: woah.  what are you going to do with that?
[04:20] <Jester45> im gonna have a pretty desktop
[04:21] <j1mc> joshritger: any special reason you want to be root?  can't you just use "sudo"?
[04:21] <nekomancer> n-iCe, more or less what i have...
[04:21] <j1mc> Jester45: are you going to use it as a server??
[04:21] <joshritger> i am trying to edit some config files and i can't seem to figure out how to
[04:21] <j1mc> 8gb of RAM?  woah
[04:21] <Jester45> joshritger, there is not default super user if you want to run a program as root run "gksu <command>"
[04:21] <n-iCe> nekomancer how can i change it in xubuntu
[04:21] <n-iCe> edit it *
[04:21] <n-iCe> to that
[04:22] <nekomancer> n-iCe, this is from your one computer running ubuntu then?
[04:22] <Jester45> j1mc, no server :) just a desktop and maybe just maybe if it can run it i wil use xchat on it
[04:22] <joshritger> yeah, i am trying to get my wifi working and i have to manually edit the config file and i can't seem to get any editor to work the way the tutorial says
[04:22] <n-iCe> nekomancer nope i saved the info
[04:22] <n-iCe> this is for wlconfig:
[04:22] <n-iCe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13758/
[04:22] <n-iCe> how can i edit to be the same
[04:23] <n-iCe> how can i open it in a notepad to chage everything to the ubuntu info
[04:23] <Jester45> are you editing a file? just post it to pastebin then copy back once in xubuntu
[04:24] <n-iCe> Jester45 no
[04:24] <n-iCe> I wanna open the file to edit it
[04:24] <nekomancer> n-iCe, do you use a static ip?
[04:24] <n-iCe> example the info in iwconfig
[04:24] <Jester45> why cant you open it
[04:24] <n-iCe> nekomancer nope
[04:25] <n-iCe> i don't think so nekomancer
[04:25] <n-iCe> Jester45 HOW
[04:25] <nekomancer> n-iCe, then that may not work
[04:25] <nekomancer> Jester45, he's trying to set up a wifi w/o internet access.
[04:25] <n-iCe> ok then what i should do ?
[04:25] <nekomancer> Jester45, which means he doesn't have any of the good gui tools to do that.
[04:26] <Jester45> well, do you have usb/cd/floppy to ransfer things with
[04:26] <nekomancer> n-iCe, i'm thinking.  sorry.  i haven't encountered this problem, but i think i can think my way around it (sorry)
[04:26] <nekomancer> n-iCe, the ideas that i have had have been shot down
[04:27] <Jester45> humm wonder if could run one as 32 bit and other at 64bit
[04:28] <n-iCe> nekomancer
[04:28] <n-iCe> i wanna edit the info in the path how ?
[04:28] <n-iCe> i mean: /etc/network/interfaces
[04:29] <nekomancer> oh
[04:29] <nekomancer> HA
[04:29] <nekomancer> since you know where it is...
[04:29] <ormiret> n-iCe: you can edit that with any text editor, you just need to use sudo as normal users don't have permissions for that e.g. sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[04:29] <nekomancer> $sudo mousepad /etc/network/interfaces
[04:29] <n-iCe> nano ?
[04:30] <n-iCe> ok let me check
[04:30] <nekomancer> n-iCe, NO
[04:30] <nekomancer> n-iCe, not nano if you don't know how to use it
[04:30] <nekomancer> n-iCe, use mousepad
[04:30] <n-iCe> haha iguess i know how
[04:30] <n-iCe> control x
[04:30] <n-iCe> yes
[04:30] <n-iCe> enter
[04:30] <n-iCe> right?
[04:30] <ormiret> nano does have isntructions at the bottom of the screen
[04:31] <nekomancer> n-iCe, $gksu mousepad /etc/network/interfaces
[04:31] <nekomancer> nano drove me nuts.
[04:31] <nekomancer> i use jed for that
[04:31] <n-iCe> wow
[04:31] <n-iCe> now i'm confuse
[04:31] <nekomancer> ?
[04:31] <n-iCe> sudo mousepad /etc/network/interfaces
[04:32] <n-iCe> ?
[04:32] <Jester45> the bot look hungry again
[04:32] <nekomancer> gksu mousepad /etc/network/interfaces
[04:32] <nekomancer> will open that file in root, with a notepad like ediitor
[04:32] <Jester45> n-iCe, gksu is for gui apps sudo is for cli, its not needed but advised
[04:33] <nekomancer> n-iCe, gksu can prevent some file from getting corrupted and changed from user ownership to root ownership, which causes problems with the loggingin
[04:34] <nekomancer> n-iCe, it is rare but not unheard of that using sudo for a gui app does that
[04:34] <nekomancer> (or so i understand
[04:34] <n-iCe> uh
[04:34] <n-iCe> i just going to edit that file
[04:34] <n-iCe> wait with nano
[04:34] <n-iCe> ois ok ?
[04:35] <n-iCe> mousepad doesn't work
[04:35] <ormiret> yes
[04:35] <nekomancer> if you use nano, sudo is fine.
[04:37] <joshritger> i need some help, i am following this tutorial https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT61?action=show&redirect=Rt61WirelessCardsHowTo and I need help with activating the module (driver)
[04:37] <Jester45> whats the reason to use gksu /sudo why not just sudo i use gksu when i think of it but never noticed anything
[04:39] <n-iCe> shit
[04:39] <n-iCe> doesn't work
[04:39] <n-iCe> firefox but i thnk the terminal yes
[04:39] <n-iCe> How is the command to download th radar or that thingie?
[04:40] <Jester45> wget <url> should work i might of left out a option
[04:40] <Jester45> i think its -d <location>
[04:41] <n-iCe> but the wget name
[04:41] <nekomancer> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude download wifi-radar
[04:41] <ormiret> n-iCe: sudo aptitude install wifi-radar on your xubuntu machine
[04:42] <nekomancer> downloads the .deb package
[04:42] <n-iCe> [ $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install wifi-radar #type in terminal]
[04:42] <n-iCe> ok
[04:42] <nekomancer> that will install it
[04:42] <nekomancer> n-iCe, that will install... replace install with download to just download the .deb
[04:43] <Jester45> o i thought he was getting a file from internet
[04:43] <ormiret> n-iCe: wifi-radar is in universe so you will need to add that to your sources on a new install
[04:43] <ormiret> !components
[04:43] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[04:45] <joshritger> can someone help me with a tutorial
[04:45] <joshritger> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT61?action=show&redirect=Rt61WirelessCardsHowTo
[04:45] <ormiret> joshritger: sorry, I got sidetracked... What isn't working?
[04:45] <nekomancer> Jester45, yes, he is, but wifi-radar is in the ubuntu stuff allready.  so why bother looking elsewhere?
[04:46] <Jester45> well... i ment off the internet as in a website
[04:46] <Jester45> ubuntu has a website to search for debs on
[04:46] <joshritger> It doesn't seem to do anything when I enter in the commands
[04:47] <joshritger> and i do the iwconfig and my wifi device isn't present
[04:47] <ormiret> run lsmod to see if the rt61 module is loaded.
[04:47] <nekomancer> ormiret, joshritger wants to get his wifi card working, or os it apears.  the tutorial is beyond my ablitiy to do more than parrot back...
[04:47] <nekomancer> oops, sorry
[04:48] <Jester45> dont worrie nekomancer  your a good parrot
[04:48] <n-iCe> i'm done
[04:48] <nekomancer> Jester45, i know.  and i thank god each day i'm not in a python sketch yet...
[04:49] <ormiret> n-iCe: its workign or you're done editing?
[04:49] <joshritger> what should i look under
[04:49] <n-iCe> i surrender
[04:49] <n-iCe> hehehe
[04:49] <n-iCe> i can't
[04:49] <n-iCe> get connect it
[04:50] <joshritger> i dont see it anywhere
[04:50] <Jester45> i had the same problem n-iCe but i was trying to combine 2 file servers and i was trying to connect to the other one and after 30 mins i notice the network cable was dissconnected
[04:50] <ormiret> joshritger: run 'lsmod | grep rt61' if it's a big list and you want the computer to check for you.
[04:51] <n-iCe> Jester45 if i install the radar should work?
[04:51] <Jester45> i dont know im a ethernet kinda guy
[04:51] <Jester45> i was trying to give youhope
[04:51] <nekomancer> n-iCe, yes, it should.  just gdebi the package and it will work... i did that for my last reinstall with a broadcom 43xx
[04:51] <n-iCe> :) i apreciate it
[04:51] <ormiret> joshritger: if you're sure it's not there then run 'sudo modprobe rt61' and look again.
[04:51] <joshritger> it found it
[04:52] <n-iCe> nekomancer look i will install ubuntu there can i download it and run it in the xubuntu ?
[04:52] <nekomancer> Jester45, the differacne between sudo and gksu http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo
[04:52] <Jester45> thanks parrot
[04:52] <Jester45> :0
[04:53] <ormiret> joshritger: so the module's loaded and iwconfig isn't picking up you're card?
[04:53] <nekomancer> n-iCe, yes, the .deb files for ubuntu run on all desktop enviorments, although some need dependancies to work.  wifi-radar has everything it needs either on the xubuntu install or on the xubuntu disk
[04:53] <joshritger> yep
[04:53] <n-iCe> nekomancer run in fluxbuntu too ?
[04:53] <n-iCe> :o
[04:53] <nekomancer> n-iCe, most likely, but you would need to installs some libs or something :P
[04:54] <n-iCe> ok how to download the wifi-radar.deb
[04:54] <n-iCe> and install it in fluxbuntu
[04:54] <joshritger> supposedly i am supposed to remove the old module and load teh new one, but i can't figure out how to do that, that is what i was trying to do in the tutorial
[04:54] <joejaxx> n-iCe: sudo apt-get install wifi-radar
[04:54] <nekomancer> nekomancer want a cracker, Jester45
[04:54] <n-iCe> that is going to install it i want the installer
[04:54] <ormiret> joshritger: is rt61pci still loaded?
[04:54] <n-iCe> to move in fluxbuntu
[04:55] <nekomancer> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude download wifi-radar
[04:55] <n-iCe> where is going to download it ?
[04:55] <nekomancer> good question.
[04:55] <nekomancer> one of two places?
[04:55] <Jester45> nekomancer, you should tpye /me then that message
[04:55] <ormiret> n-iCe: you can download packages at packages.ubuntu.com
[04:55] <joshritger> i did a search with the lsmod | grep rt61pci and didnt find anything
[04:55] <nekomancer> either in the active downloads section
[04:55] <nekomancer> ah
[04:55] <nekomancer> learn a new irc command
[04:56] <Jester45> its fancy
[04:56] <ormiret> joshritger: you managed to remove it then.
[04:57] <nekomancer> n-iCe, /var/cache/apt/archives is the place most .deb files download to
[04:57] <ormiret> joshritger: run 'sudo lshw' and find you're network card and see what module it's hooked up to (or put all the output in pastebin and I'll have a look)
[04:57] <n-iCe> ok brb i will check
[04:57] <nekomancer> n-iCe, at least with an install
[04:57] <Jester45> noo!!!
[04:57] <Jester45> i messed it up
[04:57] <joshritger> when i type in iwconfig it shows lo no wireless extension and ra0 no wireless extensions does that mean it didnt show up?
[04:58] <Jester45> well bye bye
[04:59] <ormiret> joshritger: that's not good, ra0 is what it should show up as but if it's a wireless card it should have wireless extensions...
[04:59] <joshritger> k
[04:59] <joshritger> what is the link for pastebin i haven't used it for a longtime
[05:00] <ormiret> !pastebin
[05:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:00] <joshritger> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13821/
[05:00] <ormiret> joshritger: try removing the rt61 module: 'sudo modprobe --remove rt61' and make sure neither it nor rt61pci is loaded with an 'lsmod' then reload ('sudo modprobe rt61') and look again at iwconfig.
[05:03] <joshritger> ok, i did what you said to do and the same thing happened
[05:04] <nekomancer> have a good night room
[05:04] <ormiret> OK have a look in dmesg to see if the driver is reporting any probelms.
[05:04] <joshritger> would wrong settings for authentication type mess it up or would it still pick up my card
[05:04] <n-iCe> shit
[05:04] <n-iCe> he's off :/
[05:05] <ormiret> It should still get further than this before authentication gets to cause problems...
[05:05] <ormiret> n-iCe: can I help?
[05:07] <joshritger> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13823/
[05:07] <joshritger> i am not sure
[05:11] <n-iCe> ormiret well
[05:11] <n-iCe> how can i search a file in ubuntu ?
[05:11] <joshritger> i found something to do with that rt61pci and it says error around line 368
[05:12] <malnilion> Erm, this might sound like a silly question, but development for Ubuntu 7.10 is gonna begin like the day after tomorrow, right?  If so, has a name been decided on or is it top secret?
[05:12] <crimsun> malnilion: err, what?
[05:13] <malnilion> Er, I don't know, when's work for 7.10 begin?
[05:13] <joshritger> there is another reference to the rt61pci file on line 405
[05:13] <ormiret> joshritger: no problems there that I can see (errors with rt61pci would be expected since it didn't work), only thing I can recommend is to try the ralink support site, sorry
[05:13] <crimsun> freeze is tomorrow. we're working [desperately]  on 7.04 until it releases on 19 Apr
[05:13] <joshritger> ok
[05:14] <joshritger> i do have a older version of the card in another pc, but i dont really wanna try that
[05:14] <malnilion> Ah, I forgot when the final release was
[05:14] <malnilion> Feisty's running pretty damn well at this point
[05:14] <joshritger> oh well thanks anywho
[05:15] <malnilion> I'm digging the new bootsplash
[05:15] <malnilion> usplash or whatever it is
[05:16] <ormiret> n-iCe: search for a file or search within a file?
[06:11] <sigmamu188> how do i use chmod to change the permissions of a mount point so that i can access it without sudo su, full permission fat 32
[06:14] <ormiret> you don't want to change the permissions of the mount point or they will revert next time you mount the file system, add the option 'users' to fstab (I think that's the right option)
[06:16] <sigmamu188> how do i do that ompum
[06:16] <sigmamu188> err
[06:16] <sigmamu188> ormiret: how do i do that?
[06:16] <sigmamu188> !fstab
[06:16] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[06:17] <ormiret> edit /etc/fstab and change 'deaults' to 'default, users' on the line for the file system you're interested in
[06:19] <ormiret> actually looks like user isn't the right option
[06:21] <sigmamu188> ormiret: what options should i add
[06:21] <sigmamu188> or is that what the default, users is for
[06:21] <ormiret> I'm chacking
[06:21] <tbox> anybody have any ideas about how to trouble-shoot audio on my install? seems to have completely stopped working...
[06:21] <tbox> 6.10
[06:22] <sigmamu188> reboot
[06:22] <tbox> it's been broken for a while now, reboot doesnt fix it
[06:22] <tbox> i know that it used to work for sure...
[06:25] <ormiret> tbox: do you get any errors or just no audio coming out of the speakers?
[06:25] <tbox> no audio at all
[06:26] <tbox> i know it's not my hardware, i checked pretty much everything... wondering if it's some driver that's gone missing or something
[06:26] <tbox> anything i should be looking for?
[06:27] <tbox> damn
[06:31] <ormiret> welcome back, have a look in the output of 'sudo lshw -C multimedia' to see that you're soundcard is detected and has a driver asigned, also have a look in alsamixer and see that there aren't any channels muted
[06:32] <vomc8one_> ormiret: thanks! sorry, i guess i just hit alt+f4 instead of alt+4 to switch windows in irssi...
[06:36] <vomc8one_> never used alsamixer, that's nice though
[06:39] <vomc8one_> not sure if i understand the output from ' ... lshw -C multimedia'
[06:39] <ormiret> what does the 'configuration: ' line say?
[06:40] <vomc8one_> configuration: driver=Intel ICH
[06:40] <vomc8one_> should i see if i can reinstall all the alsa stuff?
[06:41] <ormiret> The driver is fine then, it wouldn't hurt to reinstall alsa but I'm not sure how likely it is to do any good...
[06:42] <vomc8one_> yeah i just looked, seems like all my alsa stuff is up to date...
[06:43] <phix> hmmmm
[06:46] <ormiret> vomc8one_: could you put the output of dmesg in the pastebin to let me see if there are any problems
[06:48] <vomc8one_> ormiret: how do i use pastebin? sorry...
[06:48] <vomc8one_> got the output
[06:48] <ormiret> !pastebin
[06:48] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:51] <vomc8one_> ok ormiret
[06:51] <vomc8one_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13833/
[07:00] <ormiret> no problems showing up there, Do you have any other output sockets? Headphone?
[07:24] <sigmamu188> ormiret: thanks for the advice i got my fstab correctly configured and wrote some entries from scratch
[07:24] <sigmamu188> thats what took so long
[07:25] <sigmamu188> ormiret: that and lost of syntax errors due to a sleepy computer operator!
[07:46] <meborc> hi
[07:46] <meborc> does anyone know what command gives me the names of computers in my local network? :)
[07:58] <n-iCe> Hello what is the path to see the usbs ?
[08:01] <kumamoto> n-iCe: lsusb
[08:01] <n-iCe> no no there says if is detected
[08:01] <n-iCe> i wanna join to the usb files
[08:01] <n-iCe> how ?
[08:01] <kumamoto> n-iCe: want to read usb file in a usb attached device?
[08:02] <n-iCe> yeah
[08:03] <kumamoto> n-iCe: dmesg | grep usb
[08:03] <n-iCe> let me check
[08:03] <kumamoto> should tell u which drive to mount for you read it
[08:10] <n-iCe> kumamoto doesn't apepar my usb that appear in lsusb
[08:10] <n-iCe> in lsusb tell me that is in bus 3 device 6
[08:10] <n-iCe> how cani join to the files
[08:11] <kumamoto> how about dmesg | less it should show something like sda or sdb
[08:12] <n-iCe> dmesg | less
[08:12] <kumamoto> if you can't find it pastebin (dmesg | less)
[08:12] <n-iCe> ?
[08:12] <n-iCe> let me check
[08:12] <n-iCe> i can't paste it is in other pc in other room without internet
[08:13] <kumamoto> can't copy and paste it to pastebin
[08:13] <kumamoto> ?
[08:15] <n-iCe> no
[08:15] <n-iCe> how?
[08:15] <n-iCe> well isn't there
[08:16] <n-iCe> just you can't tell me how can i navigate to my usbs?
[08:16] <kumamoto> that is what I am trying to tell you
[08:16] <n-iCe> o
[08:16] <n-iCe> i know how to do it graphical i just need the ruote
[08:16] <kumamoto> you will have to find the drive the machine detects it to be then mount it then you can navigate your files all your want
[08:17] <kumamoto> if it graphically xubuntu does it automatically
[08:17] <n-iCe> look doesn't show it in desktop how can i find it in my pc
[08:17] <n-iCe> where is it?
[08:23] <n-iCe> is lighter the xubuntu alternative cds than the normal xubuntu ?
[08:27] <kumamoto> ok remove it and and reattached and watch messages (tail -f /var/log/messages) or (dmesg | less) at the same tiem
[08:27] <kumamoto> time
[08:28] <n-iCe> forget it i uninstall it
[08:28] <n-iCe> it was fluxbuntu
[08:28] <n-iCe> bow i'm downloading xubuntu alternate cd
[08:28] <n-iCe> how is it?
[08:30] <kumamoto> xubuntu is lighter that ubuntu and kubuntu a bit heavier than fluxbuntu
[08:31] <kumamoto> but you will need a lot more time configuring flux to your liking that xubuntu
[08:33] <n-iCe> but the difference between alternat and normal?
[08:34] <joejaxx> kumamoto: lol :P
[08:36] <kumamoto> n-iCe: on the difference sorry you will have to read the fine print
[08:37] <n-iCe> where?
[08:41] <joejaxx> n-iCe: it is an expression
[08:42] <n-iCe> so ?
[08:42] <n-iCe> what's the difference?
[08:43] <kumamoto> I don't know am stumped too
[09:13] <nonuda_> how to setup an internet connection sharing, currently i have a ubuntu box with internet connection and i have xubuntu box with lan connection
[09:17] <Pumpernickel> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370
[09:33] <Carsten[DE] > Guten Morgen
[09:33] <tors_> morning Carsten
[09:34] <Carsten[DE] > oups... forgot the -de channel ^^
[09:34] <Carsten[DE] > Konnichiha, Nihao, Salam alejkom, Huie daag, Bonjour, Moin, Hello, Hi, Salut, .... Good-whatsoever ..
[09:35] <Carsten[DE] > I got lost my "applications-menu" in my xubuntu xcfe4... any easy way to restore it
[09:35] <Carsten[DE] > anyone has a clue how this can happen without hitting "DEL" somewhere... i guess i am not the only one that "achieves" this...
[09:37] <Carsten[DE] > !alone
[09:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alone - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:38] <tors_> There is an applet which gives the applications menu
[09:38] <Pumpernickel> cp /etc/xdg/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml
[09:41] <Carsten[DE] > Pumpernickel... $1 exists, $2 cannot create (while using "sudo") there is NO .config-Dir in my home?!
[09:41] <Carsten[DE] > Pumper: simply create that path an copy it into would help?
[09:41] <Carsten[DE] > tors_? which one?
[09:42] <Pumpernickel> If you don't have a ~/.config, one should be generated from the system defaults when you login.
[09:42] <Carsten[DE] > Pumpernickel...
[09:42] <Carsten[DE] > hm strange... i wasnt able to see
[09:42] <Carsten[DE] > I wasnt able to copy into
[09:42] <Carsten[DE] > but i can move into (God it exists)...
[09:42] <meborc> you can add the menu with the right-click on the panel -> add menu :)
[09:42] <Carsten[DE] > i ll try to copy it into
[09:43] <Carsten[DE] > mebroc... outch,... THAT simple.
[09:43] <Carsten[DE] > Yeah I got it back (while it is now on the right-hand side, but that doesnt matter)
[09:45] <Carsten[DE] > Hm, strange... right now it looks like something resetted for good. My language changed completly into the during-install-requested and the ADD menu for my taskbar is now complete, while it was yet lacking the "simple programm add"
[09:45] <Carsten[DE] > dunno how... but THX a lot!
[09:46] <meborc> you can move the menu by .... right-click -> move
[09:46] <meborc> just move the mouse to the left
[09:46] <meborc> the right-click must be ON the menu though
[09:47] <Carsten[DE] > Is there a knowledge about some special behaviour that makes you loose your app? I think of some EMACS C-NNN M-MMM C-XXX M-YYY key combinations that accidentially delete my menu (while it's e.g. sets up a math-environment) ... anything known about that? I had the deletion on a similar machine a year ago
[09:48] <Pumpernickel> It's a bug that shows up fairly often.
[09:48] <seamus7> Hi.. i want to install xubuntu alongside my standard ubunut installation (i'm on edgy)... will this likely cause any problems like changing my usplash or changing my menus in gnome ... if i uninstall xubuntu, does it uninstall completely and cleanly?
[09:49] <Carsten[DE] > Pumper... wow I am glad to hear THAT ^^
[09:50] <Carsten[DE] > Thx for help
[09:53] <Carsten[DE] > \bye
[09:54] <BFTD> yo all
[09:54] <BFTD> any help needed?
[10:38] <seamus7> how can i restart my desktop panels?
[10:39] <grazie> seamus7: hit alt+f2 and enter 'xfce4-panel'
[10:40] <seamus7> thank you :)
[10:40] <grazie> np
[12:33] <TheDarkKiller> Hey
[12:34] <TheDarkKiller> How do I manipulate background proccesses?
[12:35] <TheDarkKiller> Close them, unhide them, etc.?
[12:36] <TheDarkKiller> I've recently installed the Wolfenstein ET server, I forgot to run it from the terminal, and now I have some hidden procceses I can't get rid of :/
[12:38] <TheDarkKiller> Also, Firefox seems to slow down the system. The machine recently started to lag, and I restarted it, and now its fine.
[12:39] <TheSheep> TheDarkKiller: 'ps x' and 'kill'
[12:39] <TheSheep> TheDarkKiller: firefox uses up lots of memory
[12:39] <TheDarkKiller> Yes
[12:40] <TheDarkKiller> I know, that's why I'm using an alternative browser now
[12:48] <TheDarkKiller> How do I terminate a proccess?
[12:48] <TheDarkKiller> From the info I get from 'ps x'
[12:50] <TheDarkKiller> Nevermind
[01:25] <mhk> I got a problem with xfce installed on Kubuntu (don't ask why): I can log in with the kdm but then i only see a background and a mousepointer. Only user interaction possible is: alt+F4 and ctrl+alt+del. so now, how can i use xfce with those nice panels and menus?
[01:29] <grazie> mhk: have you tried hitting alt+f2 and entering 'xfce4-panel'
[04:39] <limbert65> Just upgraded from Xubuntu 6.10 to 7.04, and the only thing that seems to have broken is Rhythmbox.  Try to play an mp3, and it crashes.  Mp3s do play in gXine.  Have reinstalled libxine-extracodecs and reinstalled Rhythmbox.  No help.  Any suggestions?
[04:39] <crimsun> rhythmbox does not use xine
[04:40] <crimsun> --reinstall gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
[04:41] <naughty-away> guys...is there any way to check in CLI wich services is running ...?
[04:42] <senorshoeman> hey I had a question about installing a printer in xubuntu
[04:43] <limbert65> Ah.  Thanks, will try that.
[05:42] <bvsciguy> I am having trouble running the GUI on a newly installed Xubuntu laptop
[05:43] <bvsciguy> I can get to the terminal but startx doesn't work
[05:43] <maxamillion> bvsciguy: try "gdm"
[05:43] <bvsciguy> so just type in gdm
[05:44] <bvsciguy> if so, that didn't work
[05:44] <TheSheep> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:46] <maxamillion> bvsciguy: does it give you an error?
[05:47] <bvsciguy> that asked me for my password and it appears that it is doing nothing
[05:47] <bvsciguy> no error
[05:47] <maxamillion> strange ....
[05:47] <bvsciguy> could this have something to do with using the alternate install disk?
[05:48] <maxamillion> bvsciguy: shouldn't
[05:48] <hyper_ch> hiho
[05:48] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: big trouble here :)
[05:48] <TheSheep> bvsciguy: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[05:49] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: yes?
[05:49] <TheSheep> bvsciguy: apparently the install didn't finish
[05:49] <maxamillion> bah ... nvm, i have to run to class
[05:49] <maxamillion> bbl
[05:50] <bvsciguy> response- benjamin is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. </chuckle>
[05:52] <TheSheep> bvsciguy: do it from the account that was created at the installation time
[05:53] <bvsciguy> could you eleborate?
[05:53] <bvsciguy> would that be oem?
[05:54] <grazie> bvsciguy: you did any oem install?
[05:54] <TheSheep> bvsciguy: during the installation, the installer asks you for the user name and password of the first user to create
[05:55] <bvsciguy> right
[05:55] <bvsciguy> i got that, and that is where i am
[05:56] <TheSheep> bvsciguy: and you're getting the 'not in sudoers' with it? :/
[05:56] <bvsciguy> no
[05:57] <dooglus> what's the easiest way to use metacity instead of xfwm4?
[05:58] <TheSheep> dooglus: install ubuntu :D
[05:58] <dooglus> TheSheep: 'easiest'
[05:58] <TheSheep> dooglus: that's easy, doesn't require any new skills
[05:59] <dooglus> TheSheep: downloading 700MB of stuff, burning a CD and reinstalling an OS probably isn't the easiest way to do it
[05:59] <TheSheep> ah, no, you can install it by typing 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[05:59] <TheSheep> it will only download the differences :)
[06:00] <dooglus> TheSheep: I don't have enough space for ubuntu-desktop
[06:00] <TheSheep> a little less easy way would be to edit the /etc/xdg/xfce4-session/xfce4-session.rc file and replace 'xfwm4' with 'metacity', making usre the metacity is installed
[06:00] <dooglus> TheSheep: I'm running from a xubuntu live CD and don't have a hard disk
[06:01] <TheSheep> dooglus: if it's a one-timer, you can just open terminal, kill xfwm4 and run metacity
[06:01] <hyper_ch> sorry :) was distracted for a moment
[06:02] <hyper_ch> still that issue with this desklet that I can't remove from the panel :)
[06:02] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: ooh, colors, pretty, shiny... ;)
[06:02] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: trainspotting?
[06:02] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no, sluggy freelance
[06:03] <dooglus> TheSheep: that worked.  thanks.
[06:03] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: ah :) well, I added the weather desklet to my panel but it's unresponsiv... nothing happens... so I added a second and that works now fine... but how can I remove the other one?
[06:03] <dooglus> TheSheep: I'm trying to diagnose a problem whereby clicking on an app's window doesn't bring its associated windows to the front
[06:03] <TheSheep> no idea about desklets, I suppose they keep their config somewhere in a text file...
[06:03] <dooglus> TheSheep: it used to in GNOME, but doesn't in xubuntu.
[06:03] <dooglus> TheSheep: switching to metacity fixed it, so it must be a window manager thing.
[06:04] <TheSheep> dooglus: the guys in #xfce might be much more helpful
[06:04] <hyper_ch> TheSheep:  how can I remove it from the panel?
[06:04] <TheSheep> dooglus: investigate the focus stealing prevention option in wm tweaks
[06:04] <dooglus> TheSheep: interesting.
[06:07] <hyper_ch> TheSheep is back :)
[06:08] <hyper_ch> now that's a big update:  Need to get 176MB of archives. After unpacking 492kB will be used.
[06:08] <TheSheep> %)
[06:09] <hyper_ch> and htop is really nice :)
[06:10] <dooglus> TheSheep: that doesn't seem to have any effect
[06:22] <limbert65> Ok, I asked this question earlier, tried what was suggested and it didn't work.  Hoping someone might have another suggestion...
[06:23] <limbert65> I upgraded my Xubuntu 6.10 to 7.04 yesterday.  Everything went fine except now Rhythmbox crashes when I try to play an mp3.  I have reinstalled Rhythmbox and the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly (as suggested) and that didn't help.  Would appreciate a suggestion as to what to try next.
[06:28] <Ramla_> Did you do a 'completely remove' or just 'remove' to the package when you reinstalled it?
[06:28] <limbert65> Actually, first I tried just "Mark for Reinstallation", but that didn't work, so I "Remove"d and then Installed.
[06:29] <limbert65> Don't think I did a "completely remove."
[06:34] <Ramla_> Actually I don't know what reinstallation does, but plain remove only removes the binaries, doesn't touch configuration files. Check your home folder for a hidden setting folder for rhythmbox and rename it (or delete if you don't want to backup the settings) and then try launching it
[06:34] <Ramla_> Very often what crashes a program is something in the user's settings
[06:35] <limbert65> Ok, thanks.  I am trying the "completely remove" now, too.
[07:10] <sinkorswim> I'm trying to add programs to the applications menu using the menu editor, but when I bring up the editor, the only items listed are "settings", "quit", "about xfce" and a bunch of separators. the other categories like accessories and graphics arent shown in the editor
[07:10] <sinkorswim> does anyone know how I can edit the whole thing?
[07:10] <maxamillion> sinkorswim: not i :(
[07:11] <sinkorswim> maxamillion: thanks anyway
[07:11] <sinkorswim> I've now tried gnome, kde and xfce, this one is my favourite despite this little setback :)
[07:11] <maxamillion> sinkorswim: np ... i really haven't ever needed to edit the menu so i haven't investigated how
[07:12] <maxamillion> sinkorswim: awesome!!! glad to hear it :)
[07:12] <chewychomp> help- i had a nv 5700, was using nvidia-glx, card was overheating too much so i switched to an 5200, i reconfigured xserver(sudo dpkg-reconfig xserver..), reinstalled(complete removal as well) nvidia-glx, do i have to reinstall restricted kernels too cuz it crashes x when i switch drivers to nvidia- its work perfectly with nv
[07:17] <maxamillion> chewychomp: you might try reinstalling them, but i don't entire know why it would be crashing
[07:23] <gnomefreak> need errors to tell you what is going on.
[07:23] <chewychomp> it starts x, but freezes after 2 seconds, when i reboot my screen gets all crazy, i think x still thinks its an 5700, which is horrible cuz it could prob fry my card-i had to wait and reboot a bunch of times for my system to be legiable, the screen after reboot was crazy
[07:26] <chewychomp> and xfce and gnome sucks, how does one kill x?  ctrl alt backspace kills it but it immediatly comes back up so thats pointless
[07:27] <chewychomp> i had to choose reconfigured kernel with grub to get to command line before it crashed
[07:28] <hyper_ch> hiho maxamillion
[07:29] <maxamillion> chewychomp: run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" it should completely overwrite the xorg.conf instead of just edit it, that might help because if X has a dangling label for the gfx card somewhere and it finds the wrong one then you will have problems (just a thought)
[07:30] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: hello
[07:30] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: back again?
[07:30] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: yeah, for the time being ... i'm at work so i might be here and not from time to time
[07:30] <hyper_ch> ok :)
[07:31] <maxamillion> :)
[07:31] <maxamillion> but i will be here as much as i can
[07:32] <maxamillion> i been trying to get some bug triage done also, so my attention might be averted
[07:47] <hyper_ch> bug triage?
[07:48] <peeks> hi all
[07:49] <maxamillion> hello
[07:50] <peeks> i have installed the eclipse package, that comes with JDK, but the libraries doesnt seem installed, how can i get them ?
[07:50] <peeks> any idea ?
[07:50] <peeks> i have tried to import java.util.Scanner, but it doesnt look like it's here
[07:51] <maxamillion> peeks: java.util is imported by default in Java5 and later
[07:52] <maxamillion> peeks: i don't entirely understand the question ... if you have a jdk, then you have the libraries ... they aren't separate packages
[07:52] <peeks> i have the libraries, but they are missing ... the Scanner class for example is not here
[07:53] <maxamillion> peeks: then you don't have them ... it is impossible to only have some but not others, are you sure you are using jdk 1.5? ... the Scanner class wasn't a part of java 1.4
[07:54] <peeks> how can i know which jdk is installed ?
[07:54] <peeks> ah, here: java version "1.4.2"
[07:55] <maxamillion> ;)
[07:56] <hyper_ch> max knows (almost) everything :)
[07:56] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: are you in the xubuntu-devel team?
[07:57] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: no ... i'm just a community member who contributes where and when he can, but i do op the irc channels and admin the website (sorry the css is messed up right now, we are working on a re-write)
[07:57] <peeks> is there a package in the ubuntu repositories ?
[07:58] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdamMiller <----thats me :)
[07:58] <peeks> is there a package in the ubuntu repositories ?
[07:58] <maxamillion> peeks: yeah, sun-java5-jdk ... its in the universe repo
[07:58] <maxamillion> !sun-java5-jdk
[07:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sun-java5-jdk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:58] <maxamillion> bah!
[07:58] <hyper_ch> hmmm, to whom shall I then suggest to dump top and deliver htop instead? ^^
[07:58] <hyper_ch> iiieks Texas ^^
[07:59] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: jani, he's the project lead .... i don't think top will be dumped, but we can suggest the inclusion of htop as well
[07:59] <maxamillion> what's wrong with Texas?
[07:59] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: two things that basically do the same thing won't  well with the lightweight philosophy I think
[08:00] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: hmm... the wanna-be-president :)
[08:00] <maxamillion> !info sun-java5-jdk | peeks
[08:00] <ubotu> peeks: sun-java5-jdk: Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 4918 kB, installed size 11412 kB
[08:00] <maxamillion> :)
[08:00] <peeks> Package sun-java5-jdk is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:00] <peeks> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:00] <peeks> is only available from another source
[08:00] <maxamillion> peeks: you running feisty?
[08:00] <peeks> 6.10
[08:01] <maxamillion> hmmm... yeah, sun-java5-jdk would be current for you ... do you have the universe repository enabled?
[08:02] <peeks> yes
[08:03] <hyper_ch> peeks: apt-cache search java5
[08:03] <hyper_ch> what is the output
[08:03] <peeks> sun-java5-doc - Sun JDK(TM) Documention -- integration installer
[08:03] <peeks> sun-java5-fonts - Lucida TrueType fonts (from the Sun JRE)
[08:03] <peeks> sun-java5-jre - Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0
[08:03] <peeks> sun-java5-source - Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0 source files
[08:04] <hyper_ch> !info sun-java5-jdk
[08:04] <ubotu> sun-java5-jdk: Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 4918 kB, installed size 11412 kB
[08:05] <hyper_ch> ah, multiverse :)
[08:05] <hyper_ch> have you enabled that?
[08:05] <maxamillion> ah, my fault
[08:05] <peeks> yes
[08:05] <maxamillion> that's strange that it would be in multiverse
[08:05] <peeks> everything is enabled exepts for restricter
[08:05] <peeks> restricted*
[08:05] <hyper_ch> !pastebin | peeks
[08:05] <peeks> can you rty apt-get install sun-java5-jdk
[08:05] <ubotu> peeks: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:06] <hyper_ch> peeks: tail -n100 /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:06] <peeks> see if it tells you if the package is obsolete
[08:06] <hyper_ch> and pastbin that plz
[08:07] <peeks> oh btw
[08:07] <peeks> it's a PowerPC does that have anything to do with it ?
[08:07] <hyper_ch> no clue
[08:08] <maxamillion> peeks: yes, that matters
[08:08] <maxamillion> peeks: you can't get it on PowerPC .... http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=sun-java5&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all
[08:08] <peeks> hmm so then can i get the classes and add them manually ?
[08:09] <peeks> the standard classes that come with the packages that come with jdk1.5
[08:09] <hyper_ch> peeks: hmmm, you have the source available
[08:09] <hyper_ch> can't you compile the rest from the source?
[08:10] <hyper_ch> [20:05]  <peeks> sun-java5-source - Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0 source files
[08:10] <maxamillion> peeks: not that i know of, but you could try installing jikes .... its a java compiler that is sun java5 compliant and is available for powerpc
[08:10] <peeks> im gonna be using the eclipse IDE< will jikes work with it >/
[08:10] <peeks> any idea ?
[08:12] <maxamillion> peeks: lemme check, i'm not entirely sure
[08:13] <peeks> allright
[08:14] <maxamillion> actually ... doesn't eclipse have its own compiler?
[08:15] <maxamillion> wait... i think Eclipse runs on jikes .. http://today.java.net/pub/n/Eclipse_JIKES
[08:21] <peeks> sorry for that
[08:21] <maxamillion> for?
[08:21] <R2J2> How much free harddisk space does xubuntu require?
[08:22] <maxamillion> R2J2: to be fully functional? ... i recommend 2gb, but i know of people who have gotten it to install on a 1gb flash drive
[08:23] <R2J2> maxamillion: i free:d up 5gb but it said i had to little space for the installation :S
[08:23] <R2J2> used the alternate cd even
[08:23] <maxamillion> oh wow ....
[08:23] <maxamillion> thats strange
[08:25] <R2J2> that partitioner is strange.. i went advanced mode but couldnt even resize a partition in there =/
[08:26] <maxamillion> R2J2: were you by any chance running feisty?
[08:27] <R2J2> maxamillion: naw 6.10
[08:27] <maxamillion> hmmm....
[08:44] <peeks> im off
[08:44] <peeks> thanx for the help
[08:44] <peeks> cya guys
[08:44] <maxamillion> anytime
[08:57] <notMax> lol ... i am on DSL on qemu on my Xubuntu Feisty AMD64 install
[09:04] <Syntra> Hey, I cant install anything in Add/Remove Programs
[09:04] <Syntra> Any Ideas?
[09:19] <maxamillion> Syntra: might be an issue with permissions, what you trying to install?
[09:20] <Syntra> A couple apps  and games
[09:25] <maxamillion> Syntra: have you tried installing any of them from synaptic, aptitude, or apt-get?
[09:27] <garklein_13> and what user are you running the installer as?
[09:36] <hyper_ch> hiho
[09:36] <hyper_ch> garklein_13: normally I use aptitude
[09:36] <garklein_13> yeah... me too
[09:36] <garklein_13> never could get the hang of those GUI ones
[09:38] <hyper_ch> gui isn't bad either
[09:38] <hyper_ch> but I tend to think I'm quicker with apt-cache search and aptitude install
[09:40] <garklein_13> yeah... I just find things faster with aptitude
[09:40] <garklein_13> I'm sure I'd get used to the GUI
[10:01] <chewychomp> im goin nuts, i switched nvidia cards 5700 to 5200 and i cant get nvidia-glx to work - completely removed, then reinstalled nvidia-glx and restricted kernels and restricted driver manager, i reconfigured xserver with -phigh and a regular reconfigure...what else can i try?
[10:10] <chewychomp> im goin nuts, i switched nvidia cards 5700 to 5200 and i cant get nvidia-glx to work - completely removed, then reinstalled nvidia-glx and restricted kernels and restricted driver manager, i reconfigured xserver with -phigh and a regular reconfigure...what else can i try?
[10:22] <naughty-away> have you tried the Envy script by Tseliot ..?
[10:31] <chewychomp> im on fiesty, ill try it anyways
[10:40] <gaten> is there anyway to make a boot disk (floppy) for the xubuntu install. i have a very old laptop that cant boot from the CD
[10:41] <maxamillion> gaten: no, but there are boot floppies that will boot from the cd
[10:43] <gaten> maxamillion: what? i have to boot the cd to boot from a floppy?
[10:44] <maxamillion> gaten: no, there are boot floppies that will boot the system from the cd-rom once the floppy is has been booted to
[10:45] <gaten> maxamillion: yea thats what i want. i cant find any on the xubuntu page
[10:47] <maxamillion> gaten: its not a xubuntu thing, its just a boot floppy that does that
[10:49] <gaten> maxamillion: ahh, i think ive tried that, cant remember the name, didnt work b/c the drivers for the pcmcia cdrom needed to be loaded first. only floppies i can get to boot the cdrom are windows XP install boot disks. tried debian, slackware, DSL...
[10:50] <maxamillion> ahhhh .. yeah, i dunno
[10:51] <gaten> maxamillion: heh ahh  well, thanks anyway
[10:52] <maxamillion> anytime
[11:00] <someguy_> hi, i have xubuntu 6.10 installed on an old laptop, 333mhz with 128mb of ram and i think 4mb video card. when i move a window around or scroll down a page in firefox, it looks 'laggy'. is there any kind of setting i can toggle to get rid of that or is just because its a slow system?
[11:01] <maxamillion> someguy_: you might just need the right video drivers, just sounds like its having to generate things via software emulation instead of using the video hardware like it should
[11:01] <maxamillion> someguy_: what vid card does it have?
[11:05] <someguy_> maxamillion, http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Solo_Series/P2500/p250044.shtml#P17_943 says its a "NeoMagic NM2160 High Performance Multimedia Flat Panel/CRT GUI Accelerator with 2 MB integrated RAM"
[11:05] <chewychomp> lol
[11:05] <maxamillion> -.-
[11:05] <someguy_> i was wrong about the 4mb :[
[11:05] <someguy_> yeah i know its old, lol
[11:05] <chewychomp> is it xubuntu alternate i geuss not desktop?
[11:05] <maxamillion> someguy_: yeah, sad to say that i doubt you will be able to find a driver for that video card
[11:06] <someguy_> i had to use the alternate installer because idont have enough ram
[11:06] <maxamillion> someguy_: enter this command in a Terminal "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep vesa" (without the quotes) and tell me if that outputs anything
[11:08] <chewychomp> maybe try dsl linux
[11:10] <someguy_> maxamillion, no it didnt output anything
[11:10] <maxamillion> someguy_: oh, good ... then i might be able to help
[11:10] <maxamillion> someguy_: enter this command in the terminal now "gksudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and let me know when the text editor is open
[11:12] <someguy_> chewychomp, i have but i came back to xubuntu, i have ubuntu on my desktop and xubuntu is very similar so im used to it
[11:12] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: what exactely is a T3 line or multihomed connection?
[11:12] <someguy_> maxamillion, its open
[11:12] <kalikiana__> I wonder when the Tango icons might eventually be completed?
[11:13] <chewychomp> lol
[11:13] <chewychomp> google it!
[11:14] <chewychomp> or wikipedia it
[11:14] <maxamillion> someguy_: scroll down and look for a section that says "Device" and in that it says "Driver    <something>" .. that is that <something>?
[11:16] <someguy_> maxamillion the driver is "neomagic"
[11:17] <maxamillion> someguy_: ok, replace that with "vesa" (make sure to keep it in quotes) and then save, and exit the program and then save/close all docs/programs you have open and then do ctrl+alt+backspace (warning, this will kill your desktop momentarily)
[11:19] <someguy_> and then just login agin?
[11:20] <someguy_> hmm, windows still laggy :\
[11:20] <maxamillion> someguy_: worse or better?
[11:21] <someguy_> i cant really tell
[11:21] <someguy_> possibly better.. but not a lot :p
[11:21] <maxamillion> hmmm... yeah, normally vesa is about as fast as you can get on old hardware
[11:22] <someguy_> oh well thanks anyway
[11:23] <someguy_> i guess i can live with it :P
[11:23] <someguy_> still better than having windows xp on this thing
[11:23] <maxamillion> no problem ... sorry we couldn't get it running faster
[11:23] <maxamillion> lol, i would imagine so