[00:24] <lex79> I uploaded plasma-runner-amarok in revu
[00:24] <lex79> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=6474
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> lex79: the packaging looks perfect to me, but I need to wait a bit to testbuild
[00:36] <lex79> JontheEchidna: thanks, don't worry we have time :)
[00:49] <a|wen> lex79: looks good so far ... i have one lintian compaint though: "plasma-runner-amarok: old-fsf-address-in-copyright-file"
[00:52] <Riddell> a|wen: if that's what upstream uses then I think best to follow them
[00:52] <lex79> a|wen: thanks, what mean old fsf address?
[00:53] <Riddell> FSF moves its postal address occationally
[00:53] <Riddell> which used to mean a mass update of file headers every couple of years, until it switched to using URLs
[00:53] <lex79> ok
[00:54] <a|wen> it doesn't look like upstream uses a postal address
[00:54] <lex79> Riddell: btw, new tarballs :)
[00:54] <Riddell> lex79: oh really?
[00:54] <lex79> Riddell: yes :(
[00:57] <a|wen> lex79: http://paste.ubuntu.com/236240/
[00:59] <lex79> a|wen: ok now I understand :) I'll fix
[01:00] <a|wen> lex79: perfect! ... "lintian -iI *.deb" is your friend :)
[01:00] <lex79> I take notes :)
[01:00] <lex79> thanks
[01:01] <neversfelde|web> oh, tarballs?
[01:01] <neversfelde|web> I will be back home tomorrow and then I can help
[01:02] <neversfelde|web> well, if you are not ready then :)
[01:02] <neversfelde|web> ninjas gooooo
[01:03] <lex79> neversfelde|web: o/
[01:05] <a|wen> lex79: apart from that it looks and builds fine; can't test it though, as I'm not yet on karmic ... but if JontheEchidna is satisfied, I'd say go after the change :)
[01:06] <lex79> perfect :P
[01:14] <neversfelde|web> a|wen: if you have some time, would be coll, if you could have a lokk at bilbo on revu
[01:14] <neversfelde|web> it needs a second review
[01:14] <neversfelde|web> s/coll/cool and s/lokk/look
[01:15] <neversfelde|web> sorry, bad keyboard
[01:15] <a|wen> neversfelde|web: preparing to leave for now ... but poke me again tomorrow evening (european time) and I can have a look
[01:15] <neversfelde|web> a|wen: will do
[01:29] <a|wen> g'night ppl
[02:13] <shtylman_> where can I find the main code for kde system settings? I want to replicate the widget that does the initial icon view... with the sections and icons under those sections
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> shtylman_: kdebase-workspace
[02:19] <shtylman_> JontheEchidna: yea...found it...now trying to figure out how it works exactly...
[02:19] <shtylman_> to be able to create a similar widget
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> kcategorizedwidget is the key iirc, brb
[03:04] <kub1> Anyone here know about K System monitor?
[03:05] <kub1> Are there any KU developers here now?
[03:07] <kub1> Anyone alive here?
[03:29] <JontheEchidna> irt cherrypicking Qt stuff, we'll want to get this one: http://gitorious.org/qtwebkit/qtwebkit/commit/ae7c5f469753b2422d9ea3989eaaffa8ef765cf9
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> also have one for always trying to open up mimetypes it doesn't know in arora: http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/43214
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> (patch for Qt's copy of webkit
[04:24] <kub3> Any KU devs here now???
[05:45] <maco> JontheEchidna: oh THAT's what the red line is?
[06:28] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If you can make me a debdiff, I can sponsor it in the morning.
[06:28] <ScottK> The mimetype one is, if it's what I think it is, very important to arora.
[11:15] <dpm> ArneGoetje: Riddell: just to follow this up, the debian-qt-kde.mk fix seems to have worked well. There are quite a lot of new KDE templates in the translations imports queue now, and some got approved automatically already. The untranslated systemsettings strings we were talking about yesterday, for example, are now already in Launchpad
[11:18] <Riddell> dpm: yay
[11:19] <dpm> Riddell: re: bug 376686, I've been waiting for more input from the Basque guys, but I'm not sure I'll get more feedback. I'm pretty certain that that was an upstream bug, in which the Bulgarian translations were by mistake committed into the Basque translations tree. At this point, I think the best solution for Basque users will be to simply upload a new kde-l10n-eu package. Is that possible? If so, how can I request the upload?
[11:21] <dpm> I've at least checked that to the best of my knowledge there were no longer Bulgarian translations in the Basque SVN upstream tree (I've checked a couple of the packages which were mentioned in the bug -or in its duplicate)
[11:29] <Riddell> dpm: are there bulgarian translations in the currentl kde-l10n-eu source package?
[11:31] <dpm> Riddell: I'll re-check, but if the Bulgarian translations are in Launchpad, I'm guessing that they should be in the package as well, since these particular ones were not entered through the UI. Give me a second.
[11:32] <Riddell> thanks.   I have the 4.3.0 tars so I can upload the new kde-l10n-eu early if we can confirm it fixes the issue
[11:34] <dpm> Riddell: I think this only affects jaunty - I'm looking at the kde-l10n-eu-4.2.2 sources and there are indeed Bulgarian translations in messages/kdeutils/desktop_kdeutils.po
[11:36] <Riddell> hmm, it's probably my fault then since those get added by me
[11:36] <Riddell> (the desktop*po files)
[11:37] <Riddell> LANGCODE=bg  yeah that's the problem in debian/rules
[11:37] <Riddell> dpm: well I can fix that and upload to jaunty-proposed but I don't know if rosetta picks up from -proposed
[11:37] <dpm> By looking at the duplicate (bug 392742) seems to confirm that only desktop_*.po files are affected
[11:38] <Riddell> dpm: can you check with jtv if an upload to -propsed will fix it?
[11:39] <dpm> I don't think it does, but let me check with ArneGoetje ^ and jtv
[11:41] <Riddell> infact the same problem exists in the karmic tar, someone must have fixed them all in rosetta manually
[11:45] <dpm> hmm, let me have a look at the Basque karmic translations. I don't know how that's possible, since with message sharing they should have been automatically fixed in Jaunty
[11:49] <Riddell> fixed kde-l10n-eu uploaded
[11:49] <Riddell> to karmic
[11:49] <dpm> Riddell: that's not fixed in Rosetta for Karmic yet -> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/kdeutils/+pots/desktop-kdeutils/eu/+translate. The date those translations is 2009-04-17, which makes me think that no new desktop_*.p files have yet been uploaded into Karmic?
[11:51] <Riddell> ok
[11:51] <Riddell> well I just uploaded kde-l10n-eu to karmic so that should fix it?
[11:51] <dpm> yes, that will be fixed in Karmic when the strings from your kde-l10n-eu upload are picked up, which should happen automatically
[11:52] <Riddell> groovy
[11:52] <dpm> :)
[11:54] <dpm> I'm just wondering what's the best way to solve this in Jaunty. I've asked around in #launchpad, but jtv was not sure if translations of uploads in -proposed are picked up by Rosetta (it depends on how soyuz works). I cannot be 100% certain, but I don't think they will.
[12:07] <dpm> Riddell: bigjools from Soyuz tells me that translations are processed when they're in -proposed
[12:07] <dpm> I see two ways of solving this
[12:07] <dpm> 1) uploading the fixed kde-l10n-eu into proposed, the translations flow into LP, translations can be tested in the semi-weekly language packs PPA and will be used in the next language pack
[12:07] <dpm> 2) you could send me the corrected desktop_*.po files and I'd either give them to the Basque guys to upload them manually in LP or I'll take care of doing it, translations can be tested in the semi-weekly language packs PPA and will be used in the next language pack. If this fixes the problem, I think it wouldn't be necessary to upload a new kde-l10n-eu, since the next language pack export would take care of the fix
[12:07] <dpm> What would you prefer? (I think 1) is the more correct approach, but 2) is equally valid, in fact, that's what we have language packs for, so that strings can be fixed in Launchpad by translators)
[12:14] <Riddell> dpm: 1) seems easier?
[12:15] <dpm> sounds good to me
[12:20] <dpm> just let me know whenever you have the chance to upload the package to -proposed, so I can check that the translations where indeed updated in LP
[12:21] <dpm> and now it's time for lunch, bbl
[12:30] <Riddell> dpm: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kde-l10n-eu/+bug/376686 updated and uploaded to jaunty-proposed
[12:30] <Riddell> dpm: could you poke pitti into accepting it from jaunty-proposed unapproved
[12:42] <Riddell> I now have e-mail backup set up but wihtout spam filters it's like drowning  is a sea of bad grammer
[12:58] <asier> dpm: I'll be ready for testing them
[13:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I thought apachelogger uploaded qt4-x11 with the lzma fix yesterday, but I guess not.
[13:16] <ScottK> I think we have that, the patch fix mentioned on kubuntu-devel, and a couple of patches to cherrypick.
[13:16]  * ScottK won't get to it before tomorrow or saturday at the earliest.
[13:18] <JontheEchidna> unless my mouse is at the bottom right corner of the screen, the screen starts scrolling rapidly to the right, brb (only happens after the monitor gets turned off for powersaving, but not all the time)
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> could anybody check bug 406852 with arora and see if they have the circular ajax button for unprivating it?
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> and is kde-hal-device-manager even maintained anymore? It hasn't had an upload since '06 o_O
[13:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I saw the button briefly, but then it went away.
[13:50]  * JontheEchidna tries to find a similarly-broken button that everybody would have
[13:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Also, it's pretty dead, but last I checked the author seemed to have a sentimental attachment to it and didn't want it removed.
[13:58] <ScottK> Now that hal itself is going, perhaps it's time.
[14:11] <dpm> Riddell: still regarding the Basque translations: by having a look at the debian/rules file to fetch the desktop_*.po translations, I see a problem:
[14:11] <dpm> Those files are fetched from the 'stable' svn branch, which is constantly evolving, and by examining the files, I see that lots of strings now differ from the 4.2.2 ones.
[14:11] <dpm> The solution would be to fetch them from the 4.2.2 tag, but unfortunately, KDE upstream removes the desktop_*.po files when tagging
[14:11] <dpm> I think a solution could be to add a revision corresponding to the date 4.2.2 was released, sort of like that:
[14:11] <dpm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/236581/
[14:11] <dpm> By then, the upstream translations should have already been released in any case, and they will match what is in Jaunty
[14:13] <Riddell> dpm: well spotted, let me try that
[14:13] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kde-hal-device-manager can go
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: while you're at it, desktop-effects-kde looks like a likely candidate too
[14:14] <Riddell> and I guess guidance-power-manager can too, although I still maintain that its UI is infinately superior to the rediculously complex powerdevil one
[14:14] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yeah that can go
[14:16] <Riddell> feel free to file removal bugs
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> will do
[14:19] <ScottK> Riddell: I fixed the kdebluetooth FTBFS and uploaded it.
[14:23] <Riddell> dpm: bug 376686 updated and fixed version in jaunty-proposed unapproved queue
[14:23] <Riddell> ScottK: damn I did that yesterday but seem to have failed to upload
[14:24] <Riddell> there's a bunch more similarly
[14:24] <ScottK> OK.  Well that's the only one I fixed.
[14:25] <Riddell> entirely my fault (or probably this strange console breaking problem I've been having distracting me)
[14:25] <Riddell> ScottK: so have you tried kdebluetooth in karmic at all?
[14:25]  * ScottK doesn't recall.
[14:26] <ScottK> I don't think so.
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> bug 406881, bug 406884
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> whoa, arora has a slightly-less-awesome-than-firefox's-but-still-quite-awesome-bar
[14:47] <Riddell> it should definately be called the quite-awesome-bar
[14:48] <Riddell> seele: I closed bug 389747 (in bzr, to be uploaded next week), appologies for the delay
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> I think the quite-awesome-bar is new in 0.8.0
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> one thing that irks me about arora is that it uses raw QPainter functions for drawing certain buttons where an Oxygen icon would be so much better (and less code to maintain)
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> though I guess you don't get a clear button for nearly free in qlineedit
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> kde++
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> ~karma kde
[14:50] <kubotu> karma for kde: 1
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> ~karma c
[14:50] <kubotu> karma for c: 116
[15:02] <seele> Riddell: thanks :)
[15:04] <dpm> Riddell: thanks! I think in the kde-l10n-* packages it might make sense in the beginning of the Kubuntu development cycle to add the SVNREV variable to debian/rules pointing to the date of release (or perhaps better to the date of tagging) of the KDE version used in the particular Kubuntu release. What do you think? Would it be a lot of overhead?
[15:06] <Riddell> dpm: does it work pointing at a date in the future?
[15:07] <dpm> Riddell: that's what I understood from there -> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn.tour.revs.specifiers.html, but since this is the crucial point, I guess I should check it. Let me try...
[15:11] <dpm> It seems to work. I've tried it with the kde-l10n-eu package. I've set the date to 2010 and it fetches the HEAD version, so it looks good
[15:19] <Riddell> dpm: ok I'll do that in the 4.3.0 upload next week
[15:25] <dpm> Riddell: great, let me check which date would be more appropriate for translations (release date or tagging date) and I'll let you know
[15:27] <dpm> asier: if you want to help testing the Basque translation fixes, that would be great. You should add the semi-weekly language pack PPA for Jaunty (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/+archive/ppa) in your software sources and probably subscribe to the bug. Eskerrik asko!
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> ArneGoetje: did your fix the other day for bug 406146 also take care of bug 405803 and bug 405923, or is a per-language-pack thing?
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> sweet, just received a fully-translated po for pt_BR
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> for kcm-gtk
[15:58] <dpm> JontheEchidna: cool, have you announced the string freeze already? I still haven't seen any e-mail
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> these X hangs are getting rediculous
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> and of course that should be spelled "ridiculous"
[16:16] <maco> JontheEchidna: or ridiculos, if there's a boggart about
[16:18] <ArneGoetje> JontheEchidna: fixed all of them
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> ArneGoetje: would you recommend marking them as duplicates or setting them all to fix committed?
[16:23] <ArneGoetje> JontheEchidna: I've done both already
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> :)
[17:35] <joshuajtl> hi folks, does a default install of kubuntu 9.04 install any gnomelibs?
[17:38] <smarter> joshuajtl: it shouldn't
[17:38] <joshuajtl> good to know smarter
[17:51]  * JontheEchidna gave up and switched on vesa
[18:00] <joshuajtl> does a default install of kubuntu 9.04 install any kde3 ?
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> joshuajtl: k3b and the openoffice.org kde integration are still kde3 in kubuntu 9.04
[18:01] <joshuajtl> JontheEchidna: is there anyway to install just those from unstable to be able to have pur kde4 ?
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> currently OO.o doesn't have a kde4 integration pack (it will soon, currently there's no kde integration whatsoever in karmic)
[18:03] <joshuajtl> JontheEchidna: is koffice a workable replacement in 9.04?
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> eh, it lacks a lot of the features openoffice has
[18:03] <joshuajtl> darn...
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> hopefully one day it'll be a viable replacment, openoffice is huge
[18:05] <joshuajtl> i really wanted to find a purekde4 distro or one i could make pure
[18:07] <joshuajtl> hmm seems i can remove libgnome from fedora and still keep openoffice
[18:15] <nixternal> ok, this is causing me to brainfart...I created a tray icon app, that when clicked will either turn on/off wifi power...to do this, I need to run it superuser style with wireless-tools...what is the correct way of running it as superuser when clicked?
[18:15] <nixternal> ScottK: ^^
[18:17] <smarter> nixternal: policykit I guess
[18:18] <nixternal> oh, ya, forgot about that
[18:18] <smarter> or kdesudo if you don't want to spend too many hours on it :p
[18:21] <pgquiles> why is Arora the default browser in Karmic? It cannot open embedded PDFs, RTFs, etc
[18:27] <_Groo_> hey ppl
[18:28] <_Groo_> ppl, with latest kde 4.3 i cant activate the kdm config in systemsettings!
[18:35] <maco> pgquiles: even with mozplugger?
[18:35] <maco> my only complaint about it is that its sloooow
[18:37] <pgquiles> maco: I just sent an e-mail to the kubuntu-devel ml, it's due to a bug in webkit
[18:37] <pgquiles> maco: http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/task-tracker/index_html?method=entry&id=242536
[19:17] <dajomu> Is the jaunty iso-file updated with the latest fixes? I mean, if I download jaunty will all the latest fixes be included?
[19:18] <smarter> dajomu: nop
[19:54] <dajomu> to bad
[21:05] <nixternal> how can I test my notifyrc with a pykde4 app? this is driving me up a wall
[21:42] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[21:42] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ping
[21:48] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ping
[21:48] <Riddell> nixternal: you need to install the file into the right place then kill and restart knotify4
[21:49] <Riddell> pgquiles: do people really use PDFs embedded in web pages?
[21:49] <_Groo_> Riddell: hi ridell
[21:50] <Riddell> evening _Groo_
[21:50] <nixternal> Riddell: ahh, didn't know about killing/restarting knotify4..thanks
[21:50] <Riddell> nixternal: what are you coding?
[21:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: are you guys aware that kdm config is broken in latest kde 4.3 rc?
[21:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: jaunty, i dont know about karmic
[21:51] <Riddell> no, what doesn't work about it?
[21:51] <nixternal> Riddell: you are my hero :)
[21:52] <nixternal> Riddell: a WiFi power switch for kubuntu-netbook so ScottK can turn the wifi on/off his 10v while on the airplane
[21:52] <_Groo_> Riddell: the kdm config (login manager), you click on it but it doesnt invoke the kdm login config
[21:52] <Riddell> cor
[21:52] <_Groo_> Riddell: strangely the k3b bug is gone, latest rc fixed the permission issues... one less problem for me :P
[21:53] <nixternal> ScottK: I have version 0.1 pretty much complete and working :)
[21:53] <Riddell> _Groo_: you mean the settings dialogue doesn't open at all or it doesn't apply changes?
[21:53] <nixternal> need to go through and clean up some race conditions I created by using subprocess...other than that it works pretty good
[21:53] <_Groo_> Riddell: doesnt open at all
[21:53] <_Groo_> Riddell: root or normal user
[21:53] <_Groo_> Riddell: same behaviour
[21:54] <Riddell> _Groo_: it does open in karmic (for me) so it's not a priority, but does it work from the command line?  `kcmshell4 kdm`
[21:54] <_Groo_> Riddell: let me check
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> it wouldn't, unless you prefixed that with kdesudo
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> it is patched to open up that kcm shell with kdesudo, so it should work
[21:55] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: yes it works.. but it doesnt allow do to much :)
[21:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: it works
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it won't let you do much if you aren't root
[21:56] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: Riddell: it works via commandline, it doesnt via systemsettings
[21:57] <d_ed> I get nothing when I try via systemsettings..
[21:58]  * d_ed finds the .desktop file
[21:58] <_Groo_> d_ed: good idea..
[21:59] <_Groo_> the .desktop appears correct
[22:00] <d_ed> copying and pasting the 'Exec' line loaded it all up..
[22:00] <d_ed> yeah. Seems right.
[22:01] <_Groo_> mistery ¬¬
[22:01] <_Groo_> well when everything else fails, blame Riddell!
[22:01] <d_ed> everything else works, so we don't have to blame him :-P
[22:02] <jussi01> _Groo_: just as true, when you find things fixed, blame Riddell
[22:02] <_Groo_> d_ed: ahhh never leave a window of oportunity to pass :D
[22:02] <_Groo_> jussi01: nahh to piss him off i blame JontheEchidna ;)
[22:02] <pgquiles> Riddell: yes, they do. It's very usual for instance in travel agencies, software specifications, public administration forms, etc
[22:03] <jussi01> hehe
[22:03] <d_ed> ooh, results
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:03] <d_ed> changing X-KDE-RootOnly to false makes it load
[22:03] <_Groo_> now seriously, it doesnt show any error, nothing. could be either 1) a true kde bug 2) a permission problem , probably in policykit
[22:04] <_Groo_> d_ed: hmmm
[22:04] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: Riddell: this  X-KDE-Root is kubuntu or kde related?
[22:04] <d_ed> so by this theory, kdnssd will also fail to load
[22:05] <d_ed> oh it does.. that's confusing
[22:05] <pgquiles> Riddell: but the problem is not actualy not embedding the PDFs, RTFs, etc. If they were opened in a new Okular or Adobe Reader window, it'd be OK. The problem is you only see an empty window and you wonder what's wrong (if you knew you should be seeing a PDF) or you are left without even knowing you should be seeing an embedded file.
[22:05] <_Groo_> d_ed: what file are you changing?
[22:06] <d_ed> /usr/share/kde4/services/kdm.desktop
[22:06] <_Groo_> d_ed: yeah same, but here i changed to false and didnt do squat
[22:06] <d_ed> then ran kbuildsycoa4
[22:06] <d_ed> seems that you always need to do that if you poke a .desktop
[22:07] <d_ed> mine worked after I changed it to false
[22:07] <_Groo_> d_ed: ok let me check
[22:08] <d_ed> and I shall change mine back to true and see if stop again..
[22:08] <d_ed> what the hell...mine still works...
[22:08] <_Groo_> d_ed: yeah, know it works..
[22:09] <_Groo_> d_ed: the thing is... when you click on it it should trigger policykit and ask for a password not go and run as normal user, which is kinda pointless
[22:09] <_Groo_> d_ed: so the kde-root thing is correct, its the policykit rule that is missing
[22:10] <Riddell> pgquiles: that has to be balanced against konqueror not working with slashdot, gmail and other important sites though
[22:11] <d_ed> _Groo_: I changed mine back to true, and it still worked, which confused me..but it was because I hadn't rerun kbuildsycoa
[22:11] <_Groo_> d_ed: ehehe i was about to tell you that :D
[22:11] <pgquiles> Riddell: konqueror also has kwallet and, in general, KDE integration
[22:12] <_Groo_> unfortunatelly policykit rules are thick to me... i cant figure out what do do with them
[22:12] <pgquiles> btw, what's wrong with konqueror and slashdot? it works for me (KDE trunk here) :-?
[22:16] <Riddell> pgquiles: bottom of page, click on Yesterday or other links to try and read more, doesn't work in 4.3
[22:17] <pgquiles> Riddell: oh, I see. It doesn't work with trunk, either.
[22:17] <Riddell> pgquiles: the integration is an issue.  they're working on kwallet but it's not clear if it'll be done in time for us.  but my impression is most kubuntu users install firefox and that's because it works with more sites which is the most important thing for a web browser, arora wins there
[22:18] <pgquiles> Riddell: what about konqueror with webkitpart ?
[22:18] <pgquiles> best of both worlds?
[22:18] <Riddell> although I seem to be outnumbered by kubuntu contributors on this
[22:18] <pgquiles> worst of them? :-D
[22:18] <Riddell> pgquiles: yes I think webkitkde is the way to go long term, but I don't see it being ready until 4.5 which is a year  away
[22:19] <pgquiles> Riddell: what about going the crazy way - fixing konqueror ?
[22:19] <pgquiles> too difficult (I've never touched khtml/kjs) ?
[22:21] <seele> so why don't we keep firefox instead of switching browsers 3 times?
[22:23] <pgquiles> seele: do you mean keep firefox forever, or until konqueor with webkitkde is ready ( kde 4.5? ) ?
[22:33] <Monika|K> Personally I would prefer better integration of Firefox with Kubuntu, as I don't think Konqueror can ever be as good as Firefox is. But well, it uses GTK.
[22:35] <_Groo_> well my two cents is to help developing rekonq which is arora with kde integration.. keep konqueror, it has its uses and use rekonq as default browser when it gets better
[22:36]  * neversfelde votes for w3m
[22:37] <neversfelde> Arora 0.8 was definetly a step in the right direction
[22:38]  * JontheEchidna would be worried if it was a step in the wrong direction :P
[22:38] <_Groo_> neversfelde: yes but they defent their qt independence. rekonq is commited to kde integration
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> but I agree, it was a good release
[22:39] <neversfelde> :)
[22:39] <_Groo_> cookie to anyone who figures out whats wrong with kdm config.. policykit?
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> I don't think it uses policykit yet
[22:40] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: well it was using it already in 4.2
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> we were patching it to launch via kdesudo in 4.2
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> but I really think it didn't have policykit integration in 4.2
[22:41] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ok :)
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> policykit integration would be nice, though.. it'd only ask for the password if you try to change something, and the module would stay inside the System Settings window
[22:43] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: confused, the module already stays inside the window
[22:45] <d_ed> _Groo_: but would it if it switched user properly?
[22:45] <d_ed> _Groo_: that was a question. I genuinely have no idea..
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: right, because it's not being launched as root. You would be able to change things if it was launched as root and was it's own separate window
[22:47] <a|wen> neversfelde: did you still have something on revu i should take a look at?
[22:47] <seele> pgquiles: until konqueror is fixed
[22:48] <neversfelde> a|wen: yes, bilbo http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/bilbo
[22:48] <neversfelde> would be great, if you could have a look at it
[22:52] <a|wen> i'll take a look
[23:43] <ScottK> nixternal: Cool news about the wifi thingy.  Does it (will it) also work with the keyboard switch?


[09:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61603 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 "nvidia module not found" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61603
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61607 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "3d rendering performance regression Dapper->Edgy with Radeon 9600 M10" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61607
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61614 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "[edgy]  Cannot choose refresh rate" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61614
[11:44] <mvo> hey rodarvus, good morning!
[11:57] <rodarvus> hi mvo!
[11:59] <mvo> rodarvus: do you have any idea why recently emacs fonts starts to look ugly? did something in the fonts changed?
[12:00] <rodarvus> not recently, no
[12:00] <mvo> hm, ok
[12:00] <rodarvus> there was a bug on xfonts-base, it was "missing" a pre-depends
[12:00] <rodarvus> but this is supposed to be fixed long ago
[06:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61695 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "dri crash" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61695
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60823 in xorg "Please provide xlibs compatibility package" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60823
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61720 in xserver-xorg-video-vesa "vesa driver extremely slow after upgrade from xorg 7.0.0 to 7.1.1" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61720
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61746 in xorg-server "Xorg exits when it receives an ACPI button/lid event" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61746


[02:05] <Nothing_Much> So I hear now that PowerVR is supported under Mir, would it be possible to utilize libhybris on the desktop?
[02:06] <augie> hello
[02:06] <Nothing_Much> Howd-
[02:06] <Nothing_Much> y
[02:07] <Nothing_Much> So I hear now that PowerVR is supported under Mir, would it be possible to utilize libhybris on the desktop?
[02:07] <Nothing_Much> Oh oops, meant to edit that
[02:08] <Nothing_Much> But yeah, if anybody's here, lemme know if it's possible, since I have an SGX 544 on this desktop here.
[02:47] <RAOF> Nothing_Much: Do you have an android build for your desktop?
[02:47] <Nothing_Much> RAOF: nope, but I have the "system" folder from an Android build
[02:49] <RAOF> I don't know if that's enough, but I guess you probably could bring up Unity8 on that.
[02:50] <Nothing_Much> RAOF: How would I go about doing that on the desktop? I wanna see if it's possible with Wayland or Mir.
[02:51] <Nothing_Much> On a desktop
[02:51] <RAOF> Probably you'd install libhybris* and unity8
[02:52] <Nothing_Much> Oh.. I thought I did that once
[02:52] <RAOF> What didn't work? :)
[02:52] <RAOF> And what did it say? :)
[02:53] <Nothing_Much> Hang on, actually it wasn't unity8, it was the unity-effects thing
[02:53] <Nothing_Much> xserver-xorg-video-mir
[02:55] <RAOF> xserver-xorg-video-mir doesn't exist; I'm not sure what you're referring to there.
[02:55] <Nothing_Much> xserer-xorg-mir
[02:55] <Nothing_Much> *server
[02:55] <Nothing_Much> Bah
[02:55] <Nothing_Much> Hang on
[02:55] <RAOF> You *might* be referring to xserver-xorg-xmir, which won't work on anything but nouveau, intel, or radeon.
[02:55] <RAOF> Ah, yeah.
[02:55] <RAOF> No X for you on Android.
[02:55] <Nothing_Much> You mean armhf?
[02:56] <RAOF> Well, I mean ‘there's currently no way to go from Android drivers to X’
[02:56] <Nothing_Much> I'm on an Armhf PC here and I'm tryin' to get some 3D acceleration.
[02:56] <RAOF> There are armhf platforms for which we have X drivers, but not IIRC your SGX.
[02:56] <Nothing_Much> Via libhybris
[02:57] <RAOF> You should be able to get Unity8 and anything that runs under Unity8 running (so, all the Ubuntu Touch apps, basically).
[02:57] <RAOF> You're not going to be able to get anything that requires X to work, though.
[02:57] <Nothing_Much> Not even XMir? :(
[02:57] <RAOF> Indeed, not XMir.
[02:58] <RAOF> Because XMir (currently) works by augmenting the existing X drivers, which we can do because we've got the source for them.
[02:58] <RAOF> It's possible to write an XMir driver that will work on an arbitrary (EGL/GLES-supporting) Mir, but we've not yet done that.
[02:59] <Nothing_Much> Hmm..
[02:59] <Nothing_Much> My computer uses an SGX 544
[03:01] <Nothing_Much> So I'd have to wait for a driver for XMir?
[03:05] <RAOF> Yeah, if you want to use accelerated X11 stuff.
[03:06] <RAOF> And even then you're not going to get GLX/OpenGL; your hardware doesn't actually support it.
[03:06] <RAOF> You *will* get EGL/GLES, instead.
[03:06] <RAOF> Which is fine.
[03:07] <RAOF> As long as what you want to run supports GLES.
[03:11] <AskUbuntu> I need RSN for ad hoc connection for my Nexus 7. Do Ubuntu for Nexus 7 implement this feature? | http://askubuntu.com/q/379648
[03:15] <TechieElf> Can someone help me with enabling GSM? I know I need to check if ofono and rild are communicating but what is the next logical step?
[03:25] <Nothing_Much> RAOF: I heard that the SGX 544 PowerVR supports OpenGL up to 2.1 I think
[03:26] <RAOF> Oh, well. If it does (and has Android drivers for same), then you'd get GL.
[03:29] <Nothing_Much> Ah alright
[03:47] <TechieElf> Hashcode can you tell me where you left off with the XT907 port? I'm not sure where to start
[03:50] <Crimson_Rogue> hey, I have a question.. where can I find a list of currently supported phones?
[03:50] <RobbyF> galaxy nexus/nexus4
[03:50] <RobbyF> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[03:50] <Crimson_Rogue> yes, but there's a differen't list...
[03:52] <TechieElf> What list might that be?
[03:57] <RAOF> Crimson_Rogue: Are you thinking of this list https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working.2C_but_not_available_from_cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[03:58] <Crimson_Rogue> yes RA0F, thank you
[03:59] <RobbyF> samething as i listed
[04:01] <TechieElf> Yeah, I agree with RobbyF
[04:36] <jalcine> would it be possible to swap shells on Ubuntu Touch?
[04:37] <jalcine> like from Unity to something else?
[04:40] <Mia> Hello?
[04:42] <Mia> hello?
[04:50] <jalcine> !ask
[05:13] <Crimson_Rogue> does anyone know if ubuntu touch supports calls and sms/mms on the Galaxy S III?
[05:29] <half_mast> Has anyone been getting NETWORK ERROR when trying to update apps through the update manager?
[05:35] <wilee-nilee> half_mast, Nope, run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade in the terminal and pastbin it.
[05:39] <half_mast> wilee-nillee, this is what I got.  They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[05:42] <half_mast> W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[05:42] <half_mast> man bad
[05:42] <half_mast> now I feel bad... But here is the pastebin link http://paste.ubuntu.com/6446553/
[05:44] <wilee-nilee> half_mast, I would change repos and reboot and check the updates again.
[05:44] <half_mast> Ok how would I change the repos
[05:45] <wilee-nilee> software sources, this is the trusty dektop install?
[05:45] <wilee-nilee> tghe image
[05:45] <wilee-nilee> the*
[05:46] <half_mast> No my desktop is saucy. But my phone is r10 build.
[05:47] <wilee-nilee> half_mast, It's touch or the trusty image?
[05:48] <half_mast> It's ubuntu touch 14.04 running trusty
[05:48] <wilee-nilee> half_mast, NOt sure then I have not used it for awhile.
[05:49] <wilee-nilee> at least how to change the repo, I can't tell if its a broken package, or "Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock" try a reboot
[05:55] <half_mast> wilee-nilee, I tried to reboot and it did not fix it.
[05:56] <wilee-nilee> half_mast, Did you stop a upgrade while running?
[05:57] <half_mast> wilee-nilee, no
[05:58] <wilee-nilee> half_mast, try sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get -f install
[05:58] <wilee-nilee> your chrooted in right?
[05:58] <wilee-nilee> is that root?
[05:59] <wilee-nilee> no sudo then
[06:02] <half_mast> wilee-nilee, it giving me an error: unable access dpkg status area: Read-only file system
[06:03] <wilee-nilee> half_mast, I'm not sure how touch is set up now, so not really sure here, you want better help than me.
[06:04] <half_mast> wilee-nilee, thank you for trying
[06:04] <wilee-nilee> half_mast, Sure no harm done.
[08:45] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu 14 installation failed on nexus 7 (2012) wifi | http://askubuntu.com/q/379732
[08:53] <mzanetti> popey: hey, xbmcremote has been rejected again because the applicationName isn't set in qml
[08:53] <mzanetti> popey: but for that one I really can't have that yet
[08:53] <mzanetti> popey: as it would require me to ifdef lots of C++ code not to break it on other platforms
[08:54] <popey> I guess dholbach didnt know that, leave a comment and I'll approve mzanetti
[08:56] <popey> mzanetti: actually, no need to leave a comment, I can approve
[08:56] <mzanetti> popey: I can't find how to leave a comment without submitting a new version
[08:56] <popey> done
[08:56] <mzanetti> popey: thanks :)
[09:25] <mhr3> can anyone tell me what's the ip of s-jenkinks.ubuntu-ci?
[09:26] <mhr3> and perhaps what don't i have to resolve it properly? :)
[09:29] <randomcpp> it's nice to see that there's an emulator for ubuntu-touch, but is it normal that prebuilt emulator does not work?
[09:29] <randomcpp> (I'm now trying to build from scratch now)
[09:30] <randomcpp> (and yes I'm on trusty of course)
[10:17]  * Taduro_ wants Ubuntu Touch for all devicesss!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:23] <NYL> hi guys
[10:24] <NYL> anyone else working right now on Samsung i9505 port?
[10:28] <popey> !devices | NYL
[10:31] <NYL> guess not
[11:02] <Juan_> ola, alguem fala portugues?
[11:04] <Juan_> hi, someone could help me with the installation of the development environment for Ubuntuphone using cordova?
[11:07] <Juan_> Ubuntu installed the sdk, but when running, it does not run the javascript code
[12:05] <Hourd> anders sure likes going away
[12:12] <dpm> hi mardy, to get started with it, I built the signon-plugin-oauth2 package with the fixes required from Evernote in your branch. It's now on the core apps PPA. Has the updated package landed in Trusty? It'd be good to point folks to the proper package rather than the PPA
[12:13] <mardy> dpm: not yet: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6idq7TkpUUdGNWb0tTVmJLVzFZd0doV3dVOGpWemc&usp=drive_web#gid=1
[12:14] <dpm> ok, good to see it's on the pipeline, thanks mardy for the update
[12:14] <mardy> dpm: yw :-)
[12:44] <mdeslaur> is r10 still the latest image available for 14.04?
[12:44] <mdeslaur> two week without an update, or is my phone not updating for some reason?
[12:49] <janimo> mdeslaur, seems correct
[12:50] <janimo> mdeslaur, I see  --channel trusty-proposed will get 15
[12:50] <mdeslaur> janimo: ok, cool. thanks...was just wondering if something was wrong on my end
[12:50] <janimo> mdeslaur, I was wondering the same thing 10 min ago when I checked :)
[12:54] <mdeslaur> ehe
[12:57] <ogra_> janimo, r15 ?
[12:57] <ogra_> you should get r26
[12:58] <janimo> ogra_, that's what it showed me with trusty-proposed
[12:58] <ogra_> mdeslaur, the testing infrastructure moved, we couldnt test images for a week
[12:58] <mdeslaur> ogra_: oh! right, I had forgotten about that
[12:58] <ogra_> and after that week everything was broken ... so we're still trying to get back to normal
[12:58] <janimo> ogra root@ubuntu-phablet:/# system-image-cli -n --channel trusty-proposed
[12:58] <janimo> Upgrade path is 15
[12:59] <janimo> ogra_, but I am running a self-built system.img that may confuse the upgrader, I don't know
[12:59] <ogra_> ah
[12:59] <ogra_> 15 is definitely a last week thing :)
[13:00] <janimo> that's when I flashed the phone  I think, and only copied new system.img over since
[13:03] <dpm> I always forget: how can I convert a RO image to RW if I want to manually install a package for testing purposes?
[13:04] <ogra_> dpm, touch /userdata/.writable_image && reboot
[13:04] <dpm> awesome, thanks ogra_
[14:31] <AskUbuntu> Can apps developed in the Ubuntu SDK be ported to Android? | http://askubuntu.com/q/379879
[14:36] <cwayne> xnox, i think i must be missing something, i still cant get pinyin working on ubuntu-keyboard :(
[14:37] <xnox> cwayne: why is that? what's wrong?
[14:38] <cwayne> xnox, in the ribbon at the top, it's still showing english
[14:38] <xnox> cwayne: please talk to gusch about it.
[14:38] <cwayne> even if the system's LANG is set to zh_CN, and enabled-languages is set to just 'zh_cn_pinyin'
[14:38] <xnox> cwayne: i simply did the API port from one to another.
[14:39] <xnox> cwayne: i'm not ubuntu-keyboard upstream.
[14:39] <rsalveti> Saviq: which image did you use with the emulator? also, which android-emulator package version did you use?
[14:39] <cwayne> xnox, ah, apologies
[14:40] <Saviq> rsalveti, I just followed the wiki
[14:40] <Saviq> rsalveti, emulator 20131120-0225-0ubuntu1
[14:40] <rsalveti> right, emulator should be fine then
[14:40] <rsalveti> I'm trying with the latest image again
[14:40] <Saviq> rsalveti, let me start from scratch, too
[14:41] <rsalveti> Saviq: might be good to see the logs when opening it up as well, might be an issue with your host gl driver
[14:41] <rsalveti> Saviq: as it needs to use the translator driver (translates gles -> host gl)
[14:41] <ogra_> dont !
[14:41] <ogra_> you want ubuntu2
[14:41] <ogra_> else you get the messed up libs installed (which you cant uninstall)
[14:42] <ogra_> (at least if your host is amd64)
[14:42] <ogra_> just wait until https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/android/20131120-0225-0ubuntu2 has promoted
[14:44] <rsalveti> ogra_: hm, still not proposed
[14:44] <rsalveti> *promoted
[14:44] <ogra_> nope
[14:44] <ogra_> see #ubuntu-release
[14:44] <ogra_> cjwatson is on it
[14:44] <rsalveti> "https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/man-db -> no trusty"
[14:44] <rsalveti> ooops
[14:44] <ogra_> well, above that :)
[14:44] <ogra_> proposed-migration is crashing
[14:45] <rsalveti> yeah
[14:45] <cjwatson> Yes, investigating
[14:45] <cjwatson> Somebody marked trusty as experimental
[14:45] <cjwatson> Trying to find out why
[14:45] <ogra_> lol
[14:45] <cjwatson> As it happens I was expecting android to need manual assistance to migrate
[14:45] <cjwatson> Which was why I was looking at proposed-migration logs in the first place, so I could provide that :-)
[14:46] <cjwatson> Because I want that android-emulator installed on my laptop in time for a presentation later today ...
[14:46] <Saviq> rsalveti, downloading image 26 now
[14:47] <rsalveti> Saviq: yeah, trying that one here as well
[14:55] <rsalveti> Saviq: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6448500/, working fine with 26 here
[14:55] <Saviq> rsalveti, not here :/
[14:55] <Saviq> rsalveti, buffer allocation failed
[14:56] <rsalveti> Saviq: might be an issue with your gl driver, can you paste the log from the emulator?
[14:56] <rsalveti> Saviq: also, logcat might be useful
[14:56] <Saviq> rsalveti, yeah, trying
[14:57] <seb128> pete-woods, hey, are you leading the infographics session in 10min? (I'm hosting it, just trying to make sure that people are going to join)
[14:57] <pete-woods> seb128: hopefully, yes, do you have the hangout link? :)
[14:58] <seb128> pete-woods, not yet, going to start it now, give me a minute
[14:58] <Saviq> rsalveti, emu log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6448524/
[14:58] <pete-woods> seb128: okay, thanks
[14:58] <rsalveti> Saviq:
[14:58] <rsalveti> error libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[14:59] <Saviq> rsalveti, I might be on nvidia
[14:59] <rsalveti> Saviq: oh, right
[14:59] <rsalveti> Saviq: might be a soname mismatch
[15:00] <Saviq> rsalveti, actually no, I'm on i915, but under optimus
[15:00] <Kostic> Guys, I am starting a port of Ubuntu Phone to Geeksphone Peak. Wish me luck. :)
[15:00] <Saviq> rsalveti, which probably breaks somehow
[15:00] <seb128> pete-woods, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpi8es9nqs8pacmundkurvhs?authuser=0
[15:00] <rsalveti> Saviq: weird, something else would be broken as well
[15:00] <pete-woods> seb128: thanks muchly!
[15:00] <rsalveti> Saviq: as it can't find the library
[15:00] <seb128> pete-woods, please share with those that should join the session
[15:00] <seb128> pete-woods, yw!
[15:00] <Saviq> rsalveti, yeah, but nothing else uses i386
[15:00] <Saviq> rsalveti, I'm on amd64
[15:01] <cwayne> dpm, hey, is there anything else you'd need from me re: getting community translations?
[15:01] <Saviq> rsalveti, although
[15:01] <Saviq> ⟫ ls -l /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1
[15:01] <Saviq> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 paź 22 13:30 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2.0
[15:01] <rsalveti> right
[15:01] <Saviq> rsalveti, anyway, session now, will look at it later
[15:02] <rsalveti> Saviq: sure
[15:03] <popey> Kostic: good luck!
[15:03] <Saviq> rsalveti, yeah, glxgears:i386 doesn't work, so need to resolve that first
[15:03] <Saviq> rsalveti, probably the libGL alternatives are b0rked
[15:03] <rsalveti> Saviq: probably
[15:04] <cjwatson> OK, /ubuntu/trusty recovered, it was a misfire for /charms/trusty
[15:05] <cwayne> huh, can i not just do 'mount -o rw,remount /' anymore?
[15:05] <Saviq> rsalveti, yeah, `update-alternatives --config i386-linux-gnu_gl_conf`
[15:05]  * Saviq should file a bug that this is happening sometimes
[15:19] <om26er> ogra_, so it turns out we need unity8-autopilot on the touch image. Would you accept patches ?
[15:20] <Saviq> rsalveti, anything obvious here http://paste.ubuntu.com/6448608/ ?
[15:20] <ogra_> preinstalled by default ?
[15:20] <om26er> ogra_, yes. for phablet-test-run to automatically unlock the screen we need it pre-installed.
[15:20] <ogra_> how big is it ?
[15:20] <rsalveti> Saviq: seems fine now
[15:20] <ogra_> (and the stack of potential deps it pulls in)
[15:20] <rsalveti> Saviq: check logcat
[15:21] <om26er> ogra_, ~20 kb also depends on python-gi
[15:23] <Saviq> rsalveti, yay, working
[15:23] <rsalveti> Saviq: \o/
[15:23] <om26er> ogra_, python-gi is 232kbs all other deps are on the image.
[15:24] <ogra_> sounds fine to me then
[15:24] <Saviq> rsalveti, yay, SLOW!
[15:24] <rsalveti> Saviq: first boot still?
[15:24] <Saviq> rsalveti, maybe
[15:24] <rsalveti> first boot is a pain
[15:30] <mterry> racarr, poke when you get up
[15:36] <cwayne> stgraber, hey, should my initramfs tools be in today's image?
[15:37] <cwayne> i.e. the multi-user custom stuff
[15:59] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I guess we'd need Kaleo's https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/qtubuntu/dpr_rebase_qt_5.1/+merge/183500 in Qtubuntu as well, but #ifdef:d?
[16:02] <stgraber> cwayne: I think the images are currently built manually, so I don't know, the next one should have your change though
[16:05] <tsdgeos> Mirv: we'd need some input from Kaleo here but it seems to me the devicePixelRatio virutals are also in 5.0 so it may just work in both
[16:07] <Mirv> ok
[16:07] <tsdgeos> Kaleo: so ping when you're around :D
[16:10] <Kaleo> tsdgeos, pong
[16:10] <tsdgeos> Kaleo: about https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/qtubuntu/dpr_rebase_qt_5.1/+merge/183500
[16:10] <Kaleo> tsdgeos, the patches will not be compatible with 5.0
[16:11] <tsdgeos> why?
[16:11] <tsdgeos> seems like the virtuals and stuff you're using are there in 5.0 too, aren't they?
[16:11] <Kaleo> tsdgeos, lots of bugs have been solved since 5.0
[16:11] <Kaleo> tsdgeos, in Qt
[16:11] <Kaleo> tsdgeos, so it basically won't work properly
[16:12] <tsdgeos> i see
[16:12] <Kaleo> tsdgeos, all my changes are pure C++ though, we could ifdef it probably
[16:12] <tsdgeos> Kaleo: so we need some ifdefing for the transition period, right?
[16:12] <tsdgeos> i.e. so we can commit it now
[16:12] <tsdgeos> and works in both "worlds"
[16:14] <tsdgeos> Kaleo: want me to work on that or you prefer to do it yourself?
[16:15] <Kaleo> tsdgeos, if you are good at adding the ifdefs, go for it
[16:15] <Kaleo> tsdgeos, there are 2 MRs
[16:15] <tsdgeos> Kaleo: what's the other one?
[16:15] <Kaleo> https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/qtubuntu/dpr_rebase_qt_5.1/+merge/183500
[16:15] <Kaleo> https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/dpr_rebase_qt_5.1/+merge/183762
[16:15] <tsdgeos> ok, will do
[16:16] <Kaleo> thx
[16:42] <Kostic> What should I do if the device isn't supported on CM wiki but I have a git repo with all of the neccesarry files to build a android rom for the device?
[16:52] <FourFire> Hello
[16:52] <FourFire> is it possible to actually run desktop applications via your phone with this OS?
[16:53] <cwayne> mterry, ping
[16:53] <mterry> cwayne, hello!
[16:54] <cwayne> mterry, heya!  quick question -- that AS call you gave me to set the user's language.. org.freedesktop.Accounts.User.Setlanguage, that's *all* i should need to set, right?
[16:54] <cwayne> i.e., that will automagically update all relevant bits in ~/.pam-environment?
[16:54] <mterry> cwayne, it should
[16:55] <cwayne> mterry, ok, so i shouldnt need to update /etc/default/locale or /etc/environment?
[16:55] <mterry> cwayne, not unless you also want to change the system language
[16:55] <cwayne> mterry, there shouldn't be a reason to right?
[16:55] <mterry> cwayne, I don't think so
[16:55] <cwayne> as far as the user is concerned, everything language-wise is already set
[16:55] <mterry> cwayne, traditionally, the greeter shows in the system language though
[16:56] <cwayne> mterry, ah, hm
[16:56] <mterry> cwayne, I don't know if design wants that to change with the unity8 greeter
[16:56] <cwayne> mterry, do you know what changing the language in the UI does?
[16:56] <mterry> cwayne, it likely just sets ~/.pam-environment
[16:56] <mterry> via AS
[16:56] <FourFire> I'm sorry is there a channel for Ubuntu-for-Android ?
[16:56] <mterry> cwayne, it doesn't have permission to change the system language
[16:56] <cwayne> FourFire, unfortunately no :(
[16:57] <FourFire> there is?
[16:57] <cwayne> mterry, ok, so it's essentially doing the same exact thing
[16:57] <mterry> cwayne, yar
[16:57] <cwayne> FourFire, no there's not
[16:57] <Crimson_Rogue> hello. I have a question.
[16:57] <FourFire> ok, can I ask my questions here instead then?
[16:57] <cwayne> mterry, okay, cool, thank you
[16:57] <Crimson_Rogue> actually I have several questions...
[16:57] <Crimson_Rogue> 1) has anyone flashed ubuntu touch to the Galaxy S III?
[16:58] <cwayne> FourFire, sure!
[16:58] <Crimson_Rogue> 2) Are you able to use sms and make/recieve phone calls, if so?
[16:58] <Crimson_Rogue> 3) if not, what are the steps that need to be taken to get the network working?
[16:58] <Crimson_Rogue> 4) what carrier were you on?
[16:59] <FourFire> or is there some incompatabilities between ARMv9 and Intelx86 ?
[17:00] <FourFire> if I, for example, wanted to run Virtualbox, Minecraft, and Wine would I run into major issues?
[17:02] <xnox> FourFire: ARMv9 doesn't exist, and I don't understand your question different architecture means that everything must be recompiled/support the new architecture.
[17:02] <cwayne> mterry, another question!  how do i know if i need to run locale-gen for a given locale?
[17:02] <cwayne> like, if it doesn't show up in /usr/share/locale/?
[17:02] <FourFire> I am running Ubuntu on my laptop computer
[17:02] <xnox> FourFire: most open-source software needs porting, or recompilation. in case of proprietary software, that vendor should create binaries for the new platform.
[17:03] <mterry> cwayne, oh it's been a while since I trucked with locale-gen
[17:03] <FourFire> and I am wondering whether I will be able to install the same programs onto my phone
[17:03] <FourFire> oh, right, I guess no then
[17:03] <mterry> cwayne, yeah, I think you're right, but not sure
[17:03] <cwayne> FourFire, a lot of the stuff in the archives is already built for armhf though
[17:04] <FourFire> is there a list somewhere?
[17:13] <Kulithian> Does anyone know where i could find documentation on porting devices with small /data partitions? ie. Kindle fire 1st gens. XDA has a thread but the dl links are dead for the install.zip flash
[17:16] <FourFire> Kulithian have you tried internetarchive.org?
[17:16] <FourFire> (use waybackmachine on your thread, maybe you'll be lucky)
[17:17] <Kulithian> I haven't. ill check that first
[17:19] <Kulithian> tmoenicke , no dice :\ http://goo.im/devs/Hashcode/otter/ubuntu-phablet/ubuntu-rootfs-installer.zip thats the file im looking for
[17:19] <Kulithian> even just a reference so i could maybe figure out how to build my own
[18:16] <jdstrand> xnox, rsalveti: dudes> emulator running unity is pretty darn cool :)
[18:17] <ogra_> it is !
[18:17] <ogra_> still enough bugs though
[18:17] <jdstrand> I'm surprised how responsive the UI is
[18:18] <ogra_> i was surprised that my laptop is heavy enough to not hover when running it
[18:19] <jdstrand> heh
[18:19] <AskUbuntu> Why isn't python featured? | http://askubuntu.com/q/379977
[18:19] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch 14.04 Wireless and Network not working | http://askubuntu.com/q/379982
[18:19] <rsalveti> jdstrand: \o/
[18:19] <rsalveti> we now just need to fix apparmor
[18:19] <jdstrand> yep, jj is on it
[18:19] <rsalveti> awesome
[18:21] <Stskeeps> rsalveti: what timezone is it on the vUDS?
[18:21] <Stskeeps> (for the emu one)
[18:22] <popey> its all UTC
[18:22] <Stskeeps> oki
[18:22] <rsalveti> yeah, all utc
[18:48] <Kostic> This device isn't supported by CM but I have a git repo with all required files to build Android 4.0 ROM for it and in that repo I have directories device and kernel. Can I just copy those dirs to the directory with files generated with phablet-dev-bootstrap and continue to "Device changes - Audio" of Touch Porting guide?
[18:48] <Kostic> The device in question is Geeksphone Peak (Developer one, not the Peak+).
[18:50] <rickspencer3> kalikiana_, hey, am I supposed to be able to delete u1 docs with delete_doc in qml?
[18:51]  * jdstrand enjoys reading about Ubuntu for phones in the browser in the emulator
[18:53] <ogra_> lol
[18:53] <ogra_> dont read to fast though
[18:53] <ogra_> it might fall over
[18:54] <Kostic> ogra_: me? :)
[18:54] <ogra_> Kostic, no, jdstrand
[18:55] <jdstrand> hehe
[18:55] <jdstrand> still-- very cool :)
[18:55] <ogra_> yeah
[18:55] <ogra_> we need to drop the whole stuff on the right ... imho
[18:55] <ogra_> apart from power and volume
[18:59] <xnox> ogra_: we can, rsalveti is forcing that skin at the moment, there are other skins with less buttons.
[18:59] <ogra_> yeah, we should use that
[19:00] <ogra_> especially we should drop the kbd
[19:00] <xnox> ogra_: e.g. some of those keys are useful in the recovery mode.
[19:00] <rsalveti> yup, we don't yet know, by design, what we want in there
[19:00] <rsalveti> we should probably have our own skin
[19:01] <rsalveti> ogra_: who is rsaletis? :P
[19:02] <ogra_> your evil clone
[19:02] <ogra_> never met him ?
[19:02] <rsalveti> ogra_: but thanks for sending the lxc-console email, I was going to do that later today
[19:02] <ogra_> ah, k
[19:02] <rsalveti> yeah, that might be the one that works during the night
[19:02] <ogra_> haha
[19:02] <rsalveti> ogra_: can you also add that info to the porting/touch wiki?
[19:03] <ogra_> yup
[19:03] <AskUbuntu> Nexus 5 Touch/phone/unbuntu services | http://askubuntu.com/q/380001
[19:03] <ogra_> just to much distraction today ...
[19:03] <rsalveti> yeah
[19:03] <ogra_> i had planned to do that
[19:11] <balloons> nik90, it passed -- https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/use-default-swipe-delete/+merge/191905 woot
[19:11] <nik90> balloons: thnx :)
[19:12] <nik90> balloons: can i top approve it?
[19:12] <balloons> got for it
[19:47] <janimo> xnox, for x86 builds this may be a good start https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AOSPBuild
[19:47] <janimo> xnox, since our phablet tree has the x86 toolchains removed anyway
[19:48] <janimo> I tried the x86 generic target
[19:48] <janimo> xnox, the last patch in system/core , the one moving the ucontext.h inclusion FTBFS on x86, reverting it resulted in an image that built. I did not look into how t is supposed to be run though
[19:49] <xnox> janimo: we can set variables to not do sparse image by default =) such that one doesn't need to simg2img it =)
[19:49] <xnox> janimo: sounds good.
[19:49] <janimo> xnox, I didn't know that. But then you'll get 900M system.img by default which is not necessarily good for people who want to fastboot it
[19:49] <xnox> janimo: i'll start with that and make sure that full-eng matches current goldfish-eng.
[19:49] <janimo> xnox, bt as an opti-in config it would be probabyly good
[19:50] <xnox> janimo: has pre-build kernel handling been ported to AOSPbuild yet? cause we were kind of hooking into cm-* stuff for that.
[19:51] <janimo> xnox, no. I just added a prebuilt mako kernel in the manifest since I was mostly targetting mako
[19:51] <janimo> and the people bringing up other hw may not even have their kernels in Ubuntu/LP
[19:51] <janimo> so little use in having that in imho
[19:52] <xnox> janimo: well for the archive build, i do need to use kernels from the archive, which i have been patching on top of what was patched =) if there is a way to stick a prebuilt one somewhere, that's fine, but we need to update the kernel modules as well.
[19:52] <janimo> xnox, in the build I only ported the list of modules to build and the bundling of the ramdisk
[19:53] <xnox> (by default aosp doesn't use kernel modules, but we do)
[19:53] <janimo> xnox, inded the kernel moduels I forgot about those
[19:53] <xnox> janimo: ok, if that's not done yet, i'll see how to hook that into aosp build.
[19:54] <xnox> janimo: i'm near EOD here. I will try AOSPBuild for full-eng with our prebuild armhf-goldfish kernel, and will let you know how far it goes =)
[19:54] <janimo> xnox, thanks :)
[19:54] <xnox> rsalveti: are we exporting tarballs for aosp srcs yet?
[19:55] <rsalveti> xnox: no, because we need to start the porting work on it still :-)
[19:56] <rsalveti> xnox: but I can take a look, it's just annoying that we're using the generic android name for the tarball and package
[19:56] <rsalveti> when we have both aosp and cm
[20:10] <jlauts> Hey guys, is this the right place to ask a question about trusty-preinstalled-recovery-armel+grouper.img?
[20:13] <rsalveti> jlauts: sure
[20:15] <jlauts> rselceti: So once i flashed this recovery and performed a wipe data and factory reset it will now not allow me to select a zip from /sdcard to install. It says E: Can't mount /sdcard.
[20:15] <jlauts> rsalveti* sorry
[20:16] <rsalveti> weird, try to format the sdcard partition again
[20:16] <rsalveti> and reboot the recovery
[20:17] <ogra_> rsalveti, see, you have a coomplex name ... not the first time today that someone typos it
[20:17] <ogra_> :P
[20:18] <jlauts> haha, just trying to do multiple things at once
[20:18] <rsalveti> ogra_: :P
[20:18] <jlauts> rsalveti: seems to say "No files found" now. So I am assuming that it has now mounted properly. Let my try to push the files again.
[20:19] <ogra_> jlauts, no worries, you just served me with an excuse for my typo in a mail today ;)
[20:21] <jlauts> ogra_, you're welcome :)
[20:27] <rsalveti> bfiller: hey, do you know if not being able to horizontally scroll the text input field is a bug?
[20:28] <rsalveti> for example, I want to change a single character in a big url field, but I can move to the location I want without erasing the previous content
[20:29] <rsalveti> *I can't move
[20:31] <ogra_> heh, try to append something ... thats even worse ...
[20:31] <ogra_> at least in the browser
[20:32] <ogra_> trying to get the cursor to the end of line i promise you you will hit the delete button next to it
[20:32] <rsalveti> ogra_: right
[20:34] <jlauts> Great guys, thanks a lot. It seems that it might have just lost touch with the recovery. Now it looks like I just have a bad download of the armhf.zip file. I appreciate your help guys!
[20:40] <bfiller> rsalveti: I think that is not implemented, but I agree it's really needed
[20:40] <bfiller> rsalveti: Kaleo any input on that? see rsalveti comment above
[20:48]  * ogra_ really likes how the terminal does it
[20:49] <ogra_> (cursor moving)
[20:53] <jcastro> apparently the CyanogenMod installer allows for dual boot setups, has anyone tried this?
[20:55] <Tassadar> jcastro: where did you read that?
[20:57] <pmcgowan> jcastro, ondrej has it working somewhere
[20:59] <jcastro> Tassadar, I can't seem to find the link now
[20:59] <Kaleo> bfiller, rsalveti: I don't think it's implemented
[20:59] <Tassadar> It seems a bit strange to me, that CM installer would deal with dual-booting
[20:59] <Ursinha> Kaleo, I'd trade a bottle of cachaça for that implementation :P
[21:00] <Kaleo> Ursinha, really?
[21:00] <Kaleo> Ursinha, ahahah
[21:00] <Ursinha> Kaleo, sure :D
[21:00] <Kaleo> Ursinha, it's a trap, you are going to go to big box or something and find the cheapest one
[21:00] <rsalveti> lol
[21:01] <Ursinha> lol no, only the finest :) (even because you can go to any supermarket and find out I bought you a really cheap ass one :P)
[21:01] <jcastro> Tassadar, I don't know much about it
[21:03] <AskUbuntu> android phone recovery mode not connecting | http://askubuntu.com/q/380055
[21:05] <plars> sergiusens: is there a way now of reinstalling a device once it gets messed up? used to do this by forcing it into bootloader and adding -d {device_type}, but that doesn't seem to work now, it still wants to adb reboot on its own
[21:06] <rsalveti> plars: you can as long you have adb working (image or recovery)
[21:06] <plars> rsalveti: we don't though
[21:07] <rsalveti> because as you said, it tries to run adb reboot
[21:07] <plars> rsalveti: just get him to manually flash recovery then I guess?
[21:07] <rsalveti> yeah
[21:07] <rsalveti> flash recovery with fastboot, boot into recovery and flash it again with -b -d device
[21:07] <plars> rfowler: ^
[21:09] <Unknown__> Hello?
[21:09] <Unknown__> hello??
[21:09] <Unknown__> .
[21:10] <Unknown__> anybody here?
[21:10] <Unknown__> anybody here?
[21:11] <Unknown__> ??
[21:11] <Unknown__> Is anyone here?
[21:12] <Unknown__> anybody here?
[21:12] <Unknown__> anybody here?
[21:13] <sergiusens> plars, rsalveti yeah, manually flash recovery or flash cdimage-touch
[21:13] <Unknown__> Anybody know how to flash Ubuntu Touch on my N7?
[21:14] <Unknown__> fiugb
[21:14] <Unknown__> Anybody know how to flash Ubuntu Touch on my N7?
[21:14] <jlauts> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[21:14] <Unknown__> thanks
[21:14] <jlauts> np
[21:48] <Unknown__> Anybody know how to flash Ubuntu Touch on my N7?
[21:48] <Unknown__> Anybody know how to get Ubuntu Touch on my N7?
[21:50] <Unknown__> Anybody know how to get Ubuntu Touch on my N7?
[21:52] <Ne0nTree> .
[21:52] <Ne0nTree> Hellp
[21:52] <Ne0nTree> Hello
[21:53] <Ne0nTree> I have a Nexus
[21:56] <Ne0nTree> Hello, I have a N7 and I want to get Ubuntu Touch on it but the Graphical installer will not install (404 Not found) I tried the Manual way and the files needed for the install arent there anymore, So how do I do it?
[21:57] <cwayne> Ne0nTree, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[21:57] <Ne0nTree> Thanks
[21:58] <cwayne> Ne0nTree, no problem!  the graphical installer is for the ubuntu desktop on the n7
[22:05] <TechieElf> Can someone help me? I have a couple questions on porting
[22:21] <Saviq> sergiusens, ping
[22:22] <Saviq> TechieElf, better post them to the mailing list
[22:22] <Saviq> TechieElf, it's past EOD for most people here
[22:23] <TechieElf> Saviq: I have, actually. And I know, I'm battling timezone differences.
[22:24] <sergiusens> Saviq, pong
[22:24] <Saviq> sergiusens, hey, there's something wrong with libqt5multimedia5-touch
[22:25] <Saviq> sergiusens, when installing the -dev package
[22:25] <sergiusens> Saviq, are you installing it on desktop?
[22:25] <Saviq> sergiusens, no, device
[22:25] <sergiusens> Saviq, hmmm, so you aren't supposed to install the dev package
[22:25] <Saviq> sergiusens, you are if you want to link against it ;)
[22:25] <Saviq> sergiusens, there's a .so link to a .5.0.2, where the only one provided is a .5.1.1
[22:26] <sergiusens> Saviq, the -touch package is a huge colossal divert; there is no -dev package for it from what I know either
[22:26] <sergiusens> the -dev package you are installing is from the older qt
[22:26] <Saviq> sergiusens, yes, the -dev is from the no -touch
[22:27] <sergiusens> Saviq, so you need to install the old qtmultimedia
[22:27] <Saviq> sergiusens, hence the broken symlink indeed
[22:27] <Saviq> sergiusens, the no -touch?
[22:27] <sergiusens> Saviq, yeah; everything builddeps on those anyways
[22:27] <Saviq> sergiusens, it's installed
[22:28] <sergiusens> Saviq, the -touch version is because jhodapp needed it to get the video sync working
[22:29] <Saviq> sergiusens, but then if you link against the "old" one, your binary won't work
[22:30] <Saviq> sergiusens, 'cause it's linked against something that's moved away on the device, no/
[22:31] <sergiusens> Saviq, ah, I see your point
[22:31] <sergiusens> Saviq, so if this is just eperimentation, I would create the .so link and include the respective headers
[22:32] <Saviq> sergiusens, well, it's not just experimentation... how do you link a binary against qtmultimedia then
[22:32] <Saviq> so that it works on the device
[22:32] <Saviq> mzanetti, you might want to read up ↑
[22:33] <sergiusens> Saviq, up to this date no other binary linked to it?
[22:33] <sergiusens> I guess we were only using the plugins
[22:33] <mzanetti> sergiusens: yeah... I ran into this earlier but I forgot what the solution was
[22:34] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, well... there is no solution, to be honest ;)
[22:34] <Saviq> mzanetti, as you can't get the headers for the 5.1.1 version
[22:34] <Saviq> you might be lucky that it works with the 5.0.2 headers, when linked against 5.1.1
[22:34] <Saviq> that's not a *solution* though ;P
[22:34] <Saviq> mzanetti, only good thing about it is it's going away with 5.2
[22:39] <mzanetti> Saviq: yup
[22:39] <TechieElf> How do I flip my port? ( From the old style to the new style)
[22:40] <kaendfinger> <Android is Better>
[23:03] <AskUbuntu> UbuntuPhone App Devolpment for Windows | http://askubuntu.com/q/380102
[23:08] <TechieElf> Can someone help me with a build error? "make: *** No rule to make target `/home/techieelf/utport/out/host/linux-x86/bin/bsdiff', needed by `/home/techieelf/utport/out/target/product/xt907/cm_xt907-ota-eng.techieelf.zip'.  Stop. make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs...."
[23:19] <TechieElf> Hashcode: I need your help with the xt907 port. I can't seem to build it and I'm not sure why.
[23:24] <xnox> TechieElf:
[23:24] <xnox> $ bsdiff
[23:24] <xnox> The program 'bsdiff' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[23:24] <xnox> sudo apt-get install bsdiff
[23:24] <xnox> ;-)
[23:24] <TechieElf> xnox: techieelf@eUbuntu:~/utport$ bsdiff bsdiff: usage: bsdiff oldfile newfile patchfile
[23:25] <TechieElf> xnox: Oh, but it is.... ? ;)
[23:25] <xnox> TechieElf: hm, all our builds use /usr/bin/bsdiff. if there is extra places where /usr/bin/bsdiff is not used, patch it & send patches to ubuntu-phone mailing list.
[23:26] <TechieElf> xnox: Where would these places be? (I'm foreign to the ubuntu-phone dev environment)
[23:26] <sergiusens> TechieElf,  find . -name '*.mk' -exec grep -n -H bsdiff {} \;
[23:26] <sergiusens> I think that will help you pin point it
[23:28] <xnox> sergiusens: i'd do: $ ack-grep --make bsdiff
[23:28] <xnox> grep makefiles only.
[23:29] <sergiusens> xnox, you are smarter :-)
[23:29] <TechieElf> xnox: "./build/core/main.mk:476:	external/bsdiff \ ./bootable/recovery/applypatch/Android.mk:50:LOCAL_SRC_FILES := imgdiff.c utils.c bsdiff.c" neither look suspicous?
[23:29] <sergiusens> xnox, there's also one from sourcing the build env
[23:29] <xnox> sergiusens: heh =)
[23:31] <TechieElf> Found it! Can someone else send the patch if I point it out? I'm not sure how to send it :p
[23:32] <sergiusens> TechieElf, easiest way is to edit the file, git commit; git format-patch -1
[23:32] <TechieElf> Alrighty then
[23:38] <TechieElf> sergiusens: I noticed that a lot of things are being called from out/host and not usr/bin, like imgdiff. Should only bsdiff be called from usr/bin or should they all?
[23:40] <sergiusens> TechieElf, not all of them
[23:42] <TechieElf> sergiusens: Alright. Thanks. Do you have any idea why my phablet zip size varies from a previous compiled one from another dev? Also, mine causes a bootloop vs. his works. The source hasn't been modified.
[23:43] <sergiusens> TechieElf, do you have your vendor tree in place
[23:43] <sergiusens> ?
[23:44] <TechieElf> sergiusens: I'm not familiar with that term. Although I do notice "non-existing device tree" or something close to that outputting at the beginning of brunch.
[23:44] <sergiusens> TechieElf, that's ok
[23:45] <sergiusens> TechieElf, I mean this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting#Retrieving_the_proprietary_blobs_from_Android
[23:47] <TechieElf> sergiusens: I skipped that because I grabbed the source from the old dev. Also, it looks like the files that would come from that are already in place. The file size differs by ~1mb only
[23:52] <sergiusens> TechieElf, well the phablet tree is under constant change, so unless you checkout the same commit ids you most likely will get a different build
[23:52] <sergiusens> I thought you were talking about more than 1MB :-)
[23:53] <TechieElf> sergiusens: Hm, makes sense. :P Why is there a boot loop then? :s
[23:54] <sergiusens> TechieElf, logcat is your friend; are you doing flipped while this guy wasn't?
[23:57] <TechieElf> sergiusens: "Trying dependencies-only mode on a non-existing device tree?" is the output that worries me. Also, I'm not sure if the previous dev was doing flipped or not. Judging by his latest phablet zip I flashed, I'd say not flipped.


[11:59] <KrisJace> Not only I cracked down the development but also solved few Libertine related problems, including an on screen keyboard. Libertine does not support phone's own OSK, so I developped my own to use inside applications running on xmir via libertine ;)
[11:59] <KrisJace> More info in the vid description, documentation in the making.
[11:59] <KrisJace> https://youtu.be/j__WaGH4aig


[00:14] <daker> pleia2: try : make clean
[00:15] <daker> then retype the same commands as before
[00:16] <pleia2> I've doen that several times :)
[00:16] <pleia2> (retried with 1.3 too)
[00:18] <daker> pleia2: which version 12.04 ?
[00:18] <pleia2> yeah
[00:18] <daker> pleia2: then try :
[00:18] <daker> cd ./loco_directory/ && ../env/bin/python manage.py shell
[00:19] <daker> then paste this :
[00:19] <daker> from django.core.management import execute_manager
[00:20] <JoseeAntonioR> IdleOne: I can tell you what I did (I'm 15)
[00:21] <JoseeAntonioR> IdleOne: if you still need it, just ping me
[00:22] <IdleOne> JoseeAntonioR: the info is not for me but for vibhav
[00:24] <JoseeAntonioR> vibhav: what do you exactly need to know? you can attend with a legal guardian (parents count as such), and you can't obviously drink as per country legislations
[00:26] <pleia2> daker: ok, done (had to make init again, forgot I had make cleaned after trying 1.3)
[00:26] <pleia2> no errors
[00:27] <mhall119> nigelb: summit moved to 1.3, ltp is still 1.2 I think
[00:28] <mhall119> pleia2: the make file isn't very smart, so if you get an error during make init you usually have to delete the ./env/ directory and start ove
[00:29] <pleia2> clean removes env
[00:29] <pleia2> (it's the first thing it does :))
[00:29] <pleia2> clean: rm -rf env/
[00:29] <pleia2> etc
[00:30] <mhall119> ok
[00:31] <mhall119> pleia2: are you still getting the same error?
[00:31] <pleia2> yep
[00:31] <nigelb> mhall119: if ltp is on 1.2 the requirements file hasn't been updated.
[00:31] <mhall119> it's odd, because it found django just fine when it ran syncdb and migrate...
[00:31] <mhall119> nigelb: it could be 1.1
[00:32] <nigelb> that's the exact same thought I had too.
[00:32] <mhall119> whatever the Lucid version is
[00:32] <pleia2> requirements fiel has 1.1.2
[00:32] <nigelb> It ran syncdb and migrate just fine :/
[00:33] <nigelb> pleia2: if you haven't run make clean yet, can you try "cd ./loco_directory/ && ../env/bin/python manage.py help"?
[00:33] <pleia2> this is when it dies: cd ./loco_directory/ && ../env/bin/python manage.py init
[00:33] <mhall119> wait, mine runs cd ./loco_directory/ && ../env/bin/python manage.py init-ld
[00:33] <mhall119> pleia2: try running ^^
[00:34] <mhall119> init-ld instead of init
[00:34] <pleia2> Unknown command: 'init-ld'
[00:34] <pleia2> init is in the help though (init-ld isn't)
[00:34] <daker> no mhall119 it's init
[00:35] <mhall119> pleia2: what revision?
[00:35] <pleia2> revision of..?
[00:35] <mhall119> of loco directory, bzr revno
[00:36] <pleia2> oh I just pulled the default one from lp
[00:36] <pleia2> 545
[00:36] <nigelb> oh man
[00:36] <nigelb> I think I know why this is failing.
[00:36] <mhall119> oh, I still have 527
[00:36] <daker> mhall119: she can passe the init step since i gave her a fresh db
[00:36] <nigelb> subprocess.call(["python", "manage.py", "compilemessages"])
[00:36] <nigelb> that command isn't finding the right path.
[00:37] <nigelb> that's why it can't find django
[00:37] <nigelb> line 22 in init.py
[00:37] <mhall119> nigelb: that should work
[00:37] <nigelb> (how did this ever work?)
[00:37] <mhall119> since it'll be in the virtualenv, 'python' will resolve to the virtualenv's version
[00:38] <mhall119> oh wait....maybe not?
[00:38] <nigelb> it's not actively in a virtualenv
[00:38] <mhall119> since we're calling python, not switching to the virtualenv and then calling it
[00:38] <nigelb> Exactly.
[00:38] <mhall119> yes, you're right
[00:39] <nigelb> Hah, I'm glad my debugging skills are good even after an all-nighter :P
[00:39] <daker> pleia2: just run : make run
[00:40] <pleia2> daker: I'm not using your db because I'm trying to write docs for this to help others who were interested in hacking on ltp
[00:40] <pleia2> if we can fix this it would be better to do that instead of having to have you ship fresh dbs to people :)
[00:41] <mhall119> pleia2: I'll need to start over with a clean branch of trunk
[00:41] <mhall119> I'm afraid I have too much cruft in my old setup
[00:41]  * pleia2 nods
[00:41] <JoseeAntonioR> are we having a dentist at uds-r? :P
[00:44] <nigelb> mhall119: I still maintain that it's easier to give everyone individual commands to run instead of trying to automate it.
[00:44] <nigelb> It's harder for us to debug if something goes wrong in the automatic one-step way.
[00:46] <mhall119> nigelb: I'll buy a beer for you in Copenhagen if you do that
[00:46] <pleia2> so, how to manually tell init.py where to look?
[00:46] <mhall119> pleia2: run: source ./env/bin/activate
[00:46] <mhall119> that'll put your shell into the virtualenv
[00:46] <mhall119> then you should be able to run just "python manage.py init"
[00:47] <mhall119> (run just 'deactivate' to leave the virtualenv)
[00:47] <pleia2> ah, much better :)
[00:48] <nigelb> mhall119: Oh, I wrote it for summit. It shouldn't be too hard. I'll write it and put it in readthedocs :D
[00:49] <pleia2> and running \o/
[00:49] <nigelb> mhall119: I won't be in copenhagen, so buy a beer for pleia2 if she makes it ;-)
[00:52] <daker> mhall119, nigelb to fix it : subprocess.call([sys.executable, "manage.py", "compilemessages"])
[00:55] <daker> nigelb: mhall119 or maybe we can just use fabric ?
[00:57] <pleia2> daker: that did it \o/
[00:57] <pleia2> now it completes make init w/o error
[00:57] <daker> woow
[01:00] <pleia2> alright, just getting this running is enough for today, I shall bug you guys about what I do next another day :)
[01:01] <daker> pleia2: FYI, you'll need to provide the db in the doc because anyone who want to work on LTP will need data (teams,events, users, etc...) the db has everything in it otherwise they will need to run python manage.py import-live-data and you will have to wait about 1 hour to fetch the data from l.u.c, right mhall119 ?
[01:02] <pleia2> oh fun
[01:02] <daker> :)
[01:06] <pleia2> ah, much more useful with data in it :)
[01:39] <daker> mhall119: review it https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/loco-team-portal/fix-python-path/+merge/120276 :)
[17:08] <daker> nigelb: any idea why this hasn't been merged https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/loco-team-portal/fix-python-path/+merge/120276 ?
[17:10] <nigelb> daker: sec, looking
[17:10] <cjohnston> cause tarmac still isnt working :-P
[17:10]  * cjohnston rruns
[17:15] <nigelb> cjohnston: well, if it isn't working, it's your fault. you never told me after that.
[17:19] <cjohnston> I haven't had a chance to use it because I'm still waiting on you to review some code
[17:20] <nigelb> by "you", you mean mh	, right?
[17:20] <nigelb> by "you", you mean mhall119, right?
[17:20] <cjohnston> no. the same review I asked you to do
[17:21] <cjohnston> he has others to do
[17:21] <cjohnston> and noone does any of them


[01:23]  * rww gives cookies to whichever staffer is dealing with the aol.com silliness
[01:28] <marienz> rww: much appreciated, I've passed them on to everyone involved :)
[06:49] <rww> Well, looks like #ubuntu-offtopic is full of odd people again. Perfect time to go to sleep, methinks.
[06:50] <bazhang> velope had some questionable commentary
[06:50] <rww> velope, and big_t, and I'm not too fond of the rubbing... ban them all!
[06:51] <hypatia> i was just pondering sleep too , drat
[06:51] <hypatia> my 3am reminder just went off :)
[06:51] <bazhang> nice. v_ , aka jaguar163 is trolling #ubuntu and -ru
[06:52] <bazhang> plutu appears to be the .pt problem ban dodger
[06:55] <Jordan_U> I read that as "don badger" three times. I think I *need* to get some sleep :)
[06:56] <bazhang> hehe
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> http://www.healthgrades.com/health-professionals-directory/don-badger-lcsw-29effe04
[06:58] <Jordan_U> You mean Don Badger isn't Zoro's rodent sidekick?
[06:59] <bazhang> ouch!
[07:02] <topyli> mr. badger needs to upload a picture there
[07:03] <bazhang> v_ just got banned in -ru , so if he continues in #ubuntu (he was told !ru many times as jaguar163) a +q seems in order
[08:21] <Jordan_U> Grr, /aq failed me again.
[08:21]  * Jordan_U makes sure he has the latest autobleh
[08:28] <Jordan_U> That was it, apparently it was a bug in revision 28 that's been fixed in the latest version.
[10:10] <cdbs> Exams over, marking the end of my 4 month long study leave
[10:10] <cdbs> jussi: pong
[10:11] <cdbs> Did I break the world record of the latest pong ever?
[10:31] <cdbs> Anyone has any idea why jussi pinged me? is it urgent?
[11:08] <ikonia> An_Ony_moose appears (not confirmed) to have been robinetd in #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:11] <jussi> If someone feels like /msg ing a-one and letting him know how to find the access lists - Im needing to go now.
[11:11] <ikonia> why does he need it ?
[11:12] <jussi> I dont know, he just asked.
[11:12] <jussi> IM off
[11:12] <ikonia> laters
[11:12] <ikonia> a-one: hello
[11:12] <a-one> hello
[11:12] <ikonia> can we help ?
[11:13] <a-one> I want to also be an assistant
[11:13] <ikonia> yes, we saw you ask in #freenode and you where given instructions of what to do in a URL
[11:14] <a-one> ok
[11:19] <ikonia> a-one: if you have no more questions, this channel has a no idle policy, so we ask that you leave the channel and return if you have any additional issues related only to the #ubuntu irc channels
[11:20] <a-one> ok
[11:40] <ikonia> does the username uvidesh mean anything to anyone ?
[11:41] <bazhang> ikonia, got an ident@host for that?
[11:42] <ikonia> nope, just a user
[11:42] <ikonia> (well I think a user)
[11:42] <bazhang> just that nick alone, not really
[11:42] <bazhang> dont see him on /wii or /whowas
[11:42] <ikonia> the user a-one messaged me just before he quit saying make me an assistant and I'll behave as uvidesh
[12:06] <jpds> ikonia: uvidesh / увидишь - you see in Russian.
[12:10] <ikonia> oh
[12:10] <ikonia> impressive
[12:13] <jpds> Actually, it's probably closer to 'you will see' but ...
[13:44] <SpamapS> in #ubuntu-server we have a spammer
[13:44] <SpamapS> 06:37 < RapidTraffic> Webmasters, you interested in some HQ, 24h ip unique, content and geotargeted  traffic?
[13:44] <SpamapS> (I'm in PDT, so thats just 7 minutes ago)
[13:45] <Pici> SpamapS: Thanks.    I've been tasked with making some packages for Lucid for internal use.
[23:49] <Pici> KB1JWQ: Theres #ubuntu-packaging
[23:49] <KB1JWQ> Pici: Thanks.  One of these days I should track down a list.
[23:50] <Pici> KB1JWQ: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[23:53] <KB1JWQ> Pici: Thank you.
[23:54] <hypatia> oh nifty