[00:06] <joy> QUESTION : would it work with gnome-fall back too ?
[06:56] <DanChapman> good morning
[09:15] <Mirv> popey: nik90: that we don't ship is probably a bug worth filing. upstream split the qtlocation into two parts, qtpositioning and qtlocation
[15:58] <SimonK1> is it possible to read a file (binary) in qml without c++/go?
[16:36] <roninb> hi all
[18:08] <gerlowskija> Hi, quick question. Does anyone have any experience using the weather core-app?  I installed in on my desktop in 13.10, and it keeps reporting "No weather data available at the moment".  I tried checking out the project and running it through the Ubuntu SDK, and got the same result.  Has anyone run into this problem before?
[18:09] <gerlowskija> Relatedly, does anyone know where the logs would be so I can try looking into the problem?
[18:11] <nikwen> gerlowskija: I don't know why that happens but it currently only works if you change the weather provider to Openweathermap.
[18:12] <nikwen> (Option in the settings)
[18:12] <nikwen> Maybe file a bug report (if no one already exists).
[18:14] <gerlowskija> Ok cool.  That works-for-me now, thanks for the heads up.
[18:47] <nikwen> gerlowskija: You're welcome. ;)
[18:59] <timppa> how can I clear browser-app's cache?
[19:02] <nikwen> timppa: You can find it in /home/phablet/.local/share/webbrowser-app/.QtWebKit/cache. Simply delete the files.
[19:03] <timppa> nikwen: that's what I thought so. Interesting problem at hand :)
[19:04] <timppa> Our company exchange was (finally) updated to 2013 version. With UT browser I get the new login page but after that I get the old webmail UI
[19:04] <timppa> with Firefox on destop it works as expected
[19:04] <nikwen> timppa: I have thought about options for that in the app for some time but I currently don't have the time to address that.
[19:05] <timppa> nikwen: That has not been an issue till now
[19:06] <nikwen> Hm, I don't use exchange. Have you tried one of the Trojita ports?
[19:07] <timppa> nikwen: yes, for my personal accounts. It works ok
[19:07] <timppa> I just want to use the webmail for exchange
[19:07] <nikwen> Ok, sorry. Can't help you with that...
[19:08] <timppa> problem might be with the server also? Have to debug more tomorrow
[19:08] <timppa> thanks
[19:08] <nikwen> Good luck. ;)
[19:14] <nikwen> timppa: I'll create a bug report on Launchpad to request a UI option for deleting history and cache.
[19:16] <nikwen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1296364
[19:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1296364 in webbrowser-app "No option for deleting history and cache" [Undecided,New]
[19:49] <timppa> nikwen: great! :)
[19:50] <nikwen> timppa: Thanks.
[21:03] <RavetcoFX> Hi, I submitted a patch for gnome-calculator https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calculator/+bug/1296409
[21:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1296409 in gnome-calculator (Ubuntu) "Update confusing clear button" [Undecided,New]
[21:52] <nik90> Mirv: Where do I report a bug about the missing package qtpositioning that upstream newly introduced with Qt 5.2?


[18:33] <jrwren> https://blog.elementary.io/elementary-os-6-odin-released/
[18:33] <jrwren> looks good.
[18:34] <cmaloney> MUG meeting tonight, btw
[19:38] <_stink_> out of curiosity, does anyone here fiddle with esp32 boards?  i just got a couple


[01:49] <Roguehorse> who's already here for the meeting?
[01:53] <nhaines> Well, I am.
[01:53] <Roguehorse> never fails, people who can't program always say "just make an excell sheet"
[01:53] <Roguehorse> yay!
[02:00] <nhaines> #startmeeting
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[02:00] <pleia2> o/
[02:00] <nhaines> Welcome to tonight's Ubuntu California meeting!
[02:00] <Roguehorse> o/
[02:00] <nhaines> Our agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15June28
[02:00] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15June28 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:00] <nhaines> Glad to see there are a couple people around tonight.  :)
[02:01] <nhaines> #topic Upcoming events and announcements
[02:01] <MajB> You got a visitor from AZLOCO as well.
[02:01] <nhaines> MajB: welcome!
[02:01] <MajB> Thank you
[02:01] <pleia2> hi MajB, I owe you an email (or maybe this meeting can help!)
[02:01] <nhaines> So I'm giving a talk at the San Gabriel Valley LUG on July 9th.
[02:02] <Roguehorse> cool
[02:02] <nhaines> I'll be giving a presentation on writing an open source book with a publisher and also talking about how Free Software can take you through the entire self-publishing process.
[02:02] <Roguehorse> oooh......very cool =)
[02:03] <pleia2> nice
[02:03] <Roguehorse> will the notes be available online after?
[02:03] <nhaines> My upcoming traditionally published book has been created with 100% Ubuntu except where I needed a Windows 10 screenshot, with very little difficulties.  So it'll be a fun presentation.
[02:03] <nhaines> I might just wing this one, depending on what I manage to do for a presentation, but if I have notes, or if I can get a recording, I'll get it online somewhere shortly thereafter.
[02:04] <nhaines> I'll know more about that next weekend.
[02:04] <Roguehorse> sweet =)
[02:04] <nhaines> Details at http://www.sgvlug.org/ if anyone down in SoCal wants to try and make it!
[02:04] <darthrobot`> Title: [SGVLUG]
[02:04] <nhaines> Does anyone have any other announcements or upcoming events?
[02:04] <pleia2> not in the loco directory yet, but we'll host our regular ubuntu hour next week, on july 8th
[02:04] <pleia2> in san francisco
[02:04] <pleia2> will likely do a debian dinner after too, but I'll confirm and email the list
[02:05] <pleia2> that's it from me
[02:05] <nhaines> pleia2: ooh, maybe I should put my talk on the LoCo directory.  Thanks for the reminder.  :)
[02:05] <nhaines> And glad to hear that Ubuntu Hour's still going strong up there.  I'll cross my fingers for the dinner.
[02:05] <pleia2> sure
[02:06] <nhaines> Okay, if no one else has anything upcoming...
[02:06] <Roguehorse> I had some stuff lined up but with my health the way it is I don't know much anymore of what's going to happen
[02:07] <nhaines> Roguehorse: I hope your health improves.  Don't be afraid to work with others to get help with those events!
[02:07] <nhaines> #topic Other business
[02:07] <Roguehorse> nhaines: thanks.....I'm trying to juggle a lot
[02:08] <nhaines> That's the end of our agenda items.  Does anyone have any last comments or topics to bring up?
[02:08] <pleia2> MajB: the floor is yours :)
[02:09] <pleia2> MajB emailed me on thursday to talk about some possible cross-loco activities, but they can likely say more about it
[02:09] <MajB> Since we are right next to each other my Team Leader asked me to reach out to you folks to see if we could pool our resources and perhaps do something together
[02:10] <MajB> All I really need right now is  a POC from you folks.
[02:10] <pleia2> nhaines and ianorlyn are among our team leads this year, so they're both good people to contact
[02:11] <MajB> This is something that he has been thinking about for a while and sees that perhaps it is time to start.
[02:11] <Roguehorse> second that
[02:11] <pleia2> and more generally our mailing list, since we're a very self driven group (don't need permission for things, people just dive in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:11] <nhaines> The mailing list is a great idea.  You can email me if you need any specific things but I'm on the mailing list too.  :)
[02:11] <pleia2> the last time I saw folks from the AZ LoCo was at SCALE in 2014, we're always looking for volunteers to help with the booth there
[02:11] <nhaines> My email address is nhaines at ubuntu dot com.
[02:12] <pleia2> and speakers for ubucon that we host :)
[02:12] <MajB> Well we run 4 ubuntu hours and 2 install fests every month.
[02:12] <nhaines> And SCALE's one big place we can always use volunteers.  Ubucon always needs volunteers.  :)
[02:12] <pleia2> MajB: that's wonderful
[02:12] <MajB> Yes we had reps attend SCALE
[02:13] <nhaines> What's the attendance like on your installfests?
[02:13] <MajB> So I will pick a name and continue to email.  I would also like to see something happen
[02:14] <MajB> 12-28 this year.  The Ubuntu Hours are of course less.
[02:15] <MajB> Unfortunately we only have two LUGs in state but we also do things for them when asked
[02:15] <nhaines> That's fantastic!  You should be very proud.
[02:15] <nhaines> And let me put my LoCo Council hat on for a moment and second that.  :)
[02:15] <MajB> The name of the game is spread Ubuntu
[02:15] <Roguehorse> nice =)
[02:16] <nhaines> I hope to hear more on our mailing list, where everyone can get involved.  It sounds like we ought to be able to join together.  :)
[02:16] <MajB> LoCo council.  Yep.  We have re-validation coming up in September.
[02:16] <Roguehorse> MajB: What's your mailing list?
[02:16] <MajB> Wait
[02:16] <nhaines> I look forward to th evaulation.
[02:17] <MajB> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-az
[02:17] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu-us-az Info Page]
[02:17] <nhaines> Boy, this wireless keyboard is just fighting me tonight.
[02:17] <nhaines> Great, I'll have to peek at the list archives.
[02:17] <nhaines> Okay, is there any other business before we wrap this up?
[02:18] <MajB> I would check the wiki  to look at activities https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArizonaTeam
[02:18] <darthrobot`> Title: [ArizonaTeam - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:18] <pleia2> MajB: thanks for coming, the work on your team is really inspiring
[02:19] <MajB> Thank you.
[02:19] <Roguehorse> MajB: Yeah..very cool! Thanks for coming over.
[02:19] <pleia2> nhaines: nothing from me
[02:19] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks.
[02:20] <Roguehorse> nhaines: sorry dude, my brain is mush.
[02:20] <nhaines> Okay, so I think that about wraps things up.  As always, you can bring discussion up on our mailing list, and of course, the channel is always open!
[02:21] <nhaines> Our next meeting is Sunday, July 12th, at 7PDT.  By which time https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15July12 will be a thing!
[02:21] <darthrobot`> [404] Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15July12 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:21] <nhaines> Thanks for coming everyone.  Hope to see you next time!
[02:21] <nhaines> #endmeeting
[02:21] <darthrobot`> Meeting ended Mon Jun 29 02:21:31 2015 UTC.
[02:21] <darthrobot`> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2015/ubuntu-us-ca.2015-06-29-02.00.moin.txt
[02:21] <nhaines> MajB: thanks for attending the meeting tonight.  I'm looking forward to working together.
[02:22] <DonkeyHotei> crap, missed everything but the ending
[02:22] <MajB> Excellent.  It should be interesting.
[02:22] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: that was the best part!
[02:22] <nhaines> Plus you were in time for the meeting long URL. :)
[02:22] <MajB> I searched but could not find any example of two LoCos working together on a single project.
[02:23] <Roguehorse> MajB: You're joking?
[02:23] <MajB> Not one that they initiated.
[02:23] <pleia2> when I lived in Pennsylvania I drove up to New York to present at once of their release parties once, would also participate in New Jersey Ubuntu gaming/LAN parties
[02:23] <nhaines> MajB: Ubucon LA comes immediately to mind.  And Ubucon EU is coming next year!
[02:24] <MajB> Well there you go.
[02:25] <Roguehorse> Well, I think it's a great idea. We should all be working together anyway. We're all in this for the same reasons mostly after all. =)
[02:25] <pleia2> indeed :)
[02:26] <MajB> +1
[02:52] <nhaines> Yay, post-meeting stuffs is done!
[22:11] <Roguehorse> what does anyone know about kickstarters?
[22:27] <ianorlin> be careful as if they get funded sometimes they don't deliver
[22:27] <ianorlin> especially for hardware stuff
[23:12] <Roguehorse> no hardware.....this is a software idea
[23:13] <ianorlin> ah that might work better I don't know much about compared to other online people
[23:37] <Roguehorse> no worries. it's a stab. just checking to see what others might know. I haven't considered it until just a few days ago. I think my idea stands a chance though.
[23:39] <pleia2> I've contributed to a few over the years


[00:40] <infinity> hrw: I can haz a linux-meta-chromebook to go with this kernel?
[05:44] <hrw> infinity: will make such
[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[11:35] <hrw> infinity: linux-meta-chromebook uploaded
[14:39] <dholbach> can somebody please reply to the comment on  https://plus.google.com/u/0/109795858099658821877/posts/JKQWnaRVqC1?cfem=1 ?
[14:40] <ogra_> will do if i'm on a sane machine
[14:41] <ogra_> (nexus7 isnt so great for typing ;) )
[14:55] <fly-away> any tablet isnt so great for typing afaik
[14:55] <fly-away> even ipad
[15:01] <ogra_> its fine, i use it for hours every evening (i banned all other machinery from my living room)
[15:01] <ogra_> but not for answering posts with long texts :)
[15:04] <VarmVaffel> I'm trying to use a regular C write() operation on a i2c bus, but it keeps timing out
[15:04] <VarmVaffel> could this be because the bus is always too busy, or would I get other error messages then?
[15:06] <VarmVaffel> Im' using the /dev/i2c interface
[15:28] <dholbach> thanks ogra_
[15:29] <ogra_> welcome
[15:29] <ogra_> might be that he uses an old version of the dual boot image
[15:29] <ogra_> that had issues with kernel updates
[15:30] <dholbach> ah yes
[15:31] <ogra_> (fixed in newer versions of that image, Tassadar is very responsive to fixes :) )
[15:34] <Tassadar> well, at least that I can do)
[15:50] <sveinse> Why wouldn't the kernel allow me to umount something I've just mounted in initramfs (local-premount)? I'm getting Device or resource busy
[16:01] <ogra_> sveinse, lsof ?
[16:01] <ogra_> or fuser
[16:02] <sveinse> well neither is included in initramfs afaiks
[16:05] <sveinse> hmmm. "error: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240)" <-- that is probably why I can't umount it afterwards. Perhaps mount needs to be told explicitly that this is ext4 not ext2
[16:07] <ogra_> no
[16:07] <ogra_> if you dont specify a fs the kernel just loops over all the ext* ones
[16:07] <ogra_> these messages are from probing, not from the actual mount
[16:07] <sveinse> No, they come when I call mount
[16:08] <sveinse> Ah. I see. Scratch that. EXT3-fs fails, EXT2-fs fails EXT4-fs mounts
[16:09] <sveinse> sooo. how come I cant umount afterwards...
[16:13] <ogra_> something has a file open in your mountpoint
[16:22] <sveinse> I need a fresh set of eyes on this:
[16:23] <sveinse>  mount -t vfat /tmp/sr/root/data.img /tmp/sr/data.img -o loop
[16:23] <sveinse>  umount -f /tmp/sr/root/data.img
[16:23] <sveinse> umount: can't forcibly umount /tmp/sr/root/data.img: Invalid argument
[16:24] <sveinse> Does it require the mount device to be specified, not the mount point?
[16:24] <Tassadar> umount requires the folder to which it was mounted to I think
[16:25] <ogra_> either should work, though -f might not work on loop mounts, not sure
[18:53] <wookey> infinity: Can you peruse https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/1117602 and tell me if you understand what's going on?
[18:53] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1117602 in eglibc (Ubuntu) "eglibc does not crossbuild for arm64" [Undecided,New]
[18:56] <infinity> wookey: multiarch doesn't mean what you think it means.
[18:57] <wookey> right. That's what I was thinking
[18:57] <wookey> but it's turned on for all arches, I'm just trying what happens if I turn it off for arm64
[18:57] <wookey> What will that break?
[18:57] <infinity> wookey: Anyhow, I was going to rev cross-base stuff today.  Let me play with this.
[18:58] <wookey> OK, there are a couple of patches in there that need merging I think.
[18:58] <wookey> So that cross-building from the normal source works
[18:59] <infinity> I'm on top of it.  Don't worry.
[19:00] <wookey> I guess we should either fix whatever is wrong with dh_shlibdeps or put 'if cross-building don;t do this' round it properly
[19:00] <wookey> the disable selinux patch is wrong (should be controlled by DEB_STAGE, not just nobbled)
[19:01] <wookey> arm64 no profile is good
[19:01] <infinity> The DEB_STAGE stuff all needs fiddling.
[19:01] <infinity> And the no profile patch is obsolete.
[19:01] <wookey> yes
[19:02] <infinity> The dh_shlibdeps thing may or may not still be necessary, I fixed a bunch of things relating to that sort of thing in 2.17, but I'm not sure what the point of the patch was.
[19:02] <wookey> I'm not sure about the others.
[19:02] <infinity> Like I said, I'm fiddling with this today.
[19:02] <wookey> OK. I'll let you poke and go back to perl :-)
[19:02] <infinity> I'm not entirely sure what the point of the locales patch is either, except to very marginally speed up the build, perhaps.
[19:02] <wookey> Keen to test though cos I can;t build anything automatically without a buildable libc. SO when yuo think it might go...
[19:03] <wookey> yes. I'd ignore that
[19:03] <wookey> Or at least it can stay in cross-base
[19:11] <infinity> wookey: Wait, is this a cross-only issue, or is arm64 really the only arch that doesn't support IFUNC?
[19:12] <plars> do we not continue to produce preinstalled images for omap4 on precise?
[19:14] <infinity> plars: Nope.
[19:21] <infinity> wookey: Anyhow, it's entirely possible we don't need enable-multiarch for arm64 at all right now, given that aarch64 only has one subarch.
[19:36] <infinity> wookey: So, yeah, I'll disable multiarch on aarch64 for now.  That seems the sane and reasonable thing.  As Roland points out, any case of this "working" before when it shouldn't have was broken, so this isn't a regression, but a fix. :P
[19:37] <infinity> wookey: I suspect ARM will probably want ifun/multi-arch madness when armv8 starts to rev with new features, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
[19:37] <infinity> ifunc*
[19:38] <infinity> wookey: (Basically, this isn't what you think multi-arch is, in the Debian sense, this is being able to build DSOs that contain multiple versions of symbols for different subarches)
[19:38] <infinity> wookey: So, it was always a mistake that it was in the arm64.mk config in Debian/Ubuntu, it was just luck that it "worked" cause the test was broken.
[19:39] <infinity> wookey: I'll push fixes for this to experimental/raring today.
[19:46] <infinity> wookey: I had to do an experimental build to fix mips/mipsel anyway, so this makes me feel less bad about it if I have something else to upload for. :P
[22:13] <wookey> infinity: right, yes as you say, confusion over what 'multi-arch' meant and luck that it built/worked on 2.16
[22:13] <wookey> yes aarch64 probably is the only one without ifunc support
[22:14] <wookey> ifunc is coming, I'm told, jus tnot done yet
[22:14] <infinity> wookey: All fixed in Debian SVN, at any rate, and tested locally.  Just fixing one more thing before I upload.
[22:15] <wookey> cool


[00:11] <Xpistos> Hey everybody
[00:14] <Xpistos> cyberanger: are you around?
[00:18] <chibihogoshino> hey Xpistos
[00:35] <Hex00010> What's up
[00:40] <chibihogoshino> its dead in here right now
[00:40] <Hex00010> Yeah i kinda figured lol
[00:46] <Xpistos> hey chibihogoshino
[00:46] <chibihogoshino> hey
[00:46] <chibihogoshino> whats up
[00:50] <DrPepper> So is everyone here from TN?
[00:51] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[00:51] <chibihogoshino> i think so
[00:52] <Hex00010> Thats cool    Did you guys like that nice  storm last night?
[00:52] <Hex00010> Duno if you guys got it  but it hit us really hard near memphis
[00:53] <chibihogoshino> in knox we had rain and a bit of thunder. but thats about it..
[00:53] <chibihogoshino> it was a nice change of pace
[00:54] <Hex00010> Yeah just wish it was as warm as it was last night today
[00:54] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[00:54] <chibihogoshino> warm is nice
[00:54] <chibihogoshino> cold is bad
[00:55] <Hex00010> I've learned to adapt to it i live  in  OR for a  couple years which is always cold  then moved to Utah , SL  and it was hot every day   around 95+ degrees then moved to TN  so its like in the middle of warm and cold to me
[00:55] <chibihogoshino> i wouldnt mind 90 right now
[00:56] <Hex00010> I know its  cold as hell out side right now
[00:58] <chibihogoshino> not as bad a ohio tho..
[00:58] <chibihogoshino> i dont miss the winters there
[00:59] <Hex00010> ha , I've never been to ohio before but i got some friends up there and i heard its  horrible during  this time of the year
[01:02] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[01:02] <chibihogoshino> its just cold on top of cold.. with the addition of wind
[01:04] <Hex00010> I just hope  Tuesday  it wont be cold i litterly hate  going to ITT Tech and its cold as hell outside
[01:05] <chibihogoshino> do you have to walk ?
[01:06] <Hex00010> No i drive but  we have a  20 minute break  before it starts
[01:06] <Hex00010> so we all just go out side and i smoke a  cig and talk but while im smoking my hands litterly turn purple its so cold
[01:07] <chibihogoshino> gloves ?
[01:08] <Hex00010> You know i always tell myself i need to get those  but  it seems as if  i always forget everday even if i remind myself  litterly 50 times a day
[01:09] <chibihogoshino> put them with your keys
[01:10] <Hex00010> ha good idea
[01:10] <chibihogoshino> or do you have to buy a set ?
[01:10] <chibihogoshino> how long does it take to go there ?
[01:11] <Hex00010> takes around  25 minutes from my house to my college
[01:12] <chibihogoshino> they have heating pads you can get
[01:12] <chibihogoshino> you put them in the microwave and they stay warm for a few hours
[01:14] <Hex00010> Ill have to go get those  my friend had those
[01:14] <chibihogoshino> you could stop smoking and stay inside :-0
[01:14] <chibihogoshino> :-)
[01:15] <Hex00010> Yeah dont see that   coming true any time soon
[01:17] <chibihogoshino> i hear its hard to quit
[01:17] <Hex00010> It is and  if a person ever tell's you its not hard then there  bullshitting
[01:17] <Hex00010> either that  or they have only smoked like  1  cig
[01:18] <Hex00010> This is off topic
[01:18] <chibihogoshino> heh
[01:19] <chibihogoshino> it sways allot in here
[01:19] <Hex00010> But i seriously  seriously fucking hate  people  defacing random ass websites
[01:19] <Hex00010> It pisses me off so much
[01:19] <chibihogoshino> huh
[01:19] <Hex00010> i told you
[01:19] <Hex00010> it was off topic lol
[01:19] <chibihogoshino> what web site ?
[01:20] <chibihogoshino> i thought you were talking about the last topic and what this channel is ..
[01:20] <Hex00010> i major in  Information System Secuirty , And  Data Communications  Forenics Analaysis   Ive been  into Hacking Methodology for about  8 years now and  i go to these random  "  Hacking Forums "  that  talk about  Hacking and  you will come across some sites that encourage  people defacing websites.    Media  -- To  make a Political Message  ,  2. I deface  hacking  websites that teach people how to hack,   3. and  Credit card  selling  forums
[01:28] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[01:31] <chibihogoshino> tho the media would spin it so it would probably get the opposite message across
[01:33] <Hex00010> Had to go to the store
[01:34] <Hex00010> Here is a  really fun IT  Security Challenge  http://fc4.me its from the creators of  BackTrack
[01:34] <Hex00010> You will have fun with it if your into that type of stuff
[01:37] <chibihogoshino> would be nice if i knew what to do after i got to the web page..
[01:37] <Hex00010> lol
[01:37] <Hex00010> Do you understand programing?
[01:39] <chibihogoshino> nope.. not so much..
[01:39] <chibihogoshino> i tried to learn c but that didnt work out to well
[01:39] <Hex00010> :(
[01:39] <chibihogoshino> im going to try python again
[01:39] <Hex00010> Well  you dont really have to understand programing to interpet what to do
[01:39] <Hex00010> Look at the  f4c.js script
[01:49] <chibihogoshino> lol
[01:52] <chibihogoshino> if i decoded the right thing.. thats funny
[01:57] <chibihogoshino> nope. lol.. didnt get it
[02:44] <cyberanger> wrst: Atl Linux Fest and fl. linux fest both were cancelled, dissappointing (however I would have probally been working)
[02:46] <cyberanger> and idk if I'm the most active, it's hard to measure, but middle and west tn have had more meetups
[02:58] <cyberanger> looks like we've got new people on irc for 2011
[03:23] <chibihogoshino> why are they canceled ?
[03:23] <chibihogoshino> ^ cyberanger ^
[03:27] <cyberanger> they were in 2010, fall and recession, bad combo?
[03:28] <cyberanger> (fall follows a bunch of summer ones like fosscon rit, or self)
[03:38] <chibihogoshino> ah
[03:38] <chibihogoshino> that sucks
[03:41] <cyberanger> yeah, but costs gotta be managed
[03:42] <cyberanger> the buildings atl. linux fest and fl linux fest might have wanted more or didn't offer the space
[03:45] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[04:34] <cyberanger> wrst: oh, btw: rcs's server was becuase webchat runs on the same server (really I should use that one myself for the same reason, but I chose the CMU server hubbard in pittsburgh)
[15:23] <Dan9186> mornin peoples
[15:24] <cyberanger> morning Dan9186
[15:24] <Dan9186> how goes it? :)
[15:25] <cyberanger> not bad
[15:25] <Dan9186> so i got a question for ya, got any recommendations for an inventory management solution?
[15:27] <cyberanger> not an area I've yet looked into
[15:28] <Dan9186> yeah, i'm real familiar with BMC's Service Desk, but was hoping for something a little less involved, and needless to say everything i google turns up junk
[15:29] <Dan9186> cyberanger: but i was looking to you for the question to life the universe and everything :)
[15:29] <cyberanger> equals 42
[15:30] <Dan9186> yes but i've tried a number of questions and they just don't work out to be right
[15:31] <cyberanger> in a few months we might have members in a few months that'd know
[15:32] <cyberanger> Amazon in Chattanooga and all
[15:32] <Dan9186> hmmm
[15:32] <Dan9186> when did they get there?
[15:32] <Dan9186> so that means we're gonna start having tax on items from Amazon?
[15:33] <Dan9186> not so much on the more jobs front but the tax will suck
[15:33] <cyberanger> well, they're not yet there, afaik
[15:33] <cyberanger> on the way, though
[15:33] <cyberanger> next to the new vw plant
[15:33]  * Dan9186 goes and buys the next 5 years worth of things from amazon
[15:34] <cyberanger> and idk about tax, if it's just a distrobution center
[15:34] <cyberanger> but yeah, I expect it
[15:35] <Dan9186> yeah they have to apply a tax to all sales in any state that they actually reside in
[15:36] <cyberanger> and thus why I like using a ups store across the state line
[15:39] <Dan9186> very sneaky sir very sneaky
[15:39] <Dan9186> but that is a nice thing about memphis too
[15:39] <cyberanger> and chattanooga
[15:39] <cyberanger> two states near memphis
[15:39] <cyberanger> and three near chattanooga
[15:39] <Dan9186> the fiancee and i go to arkansas and mississippi all the time :)
[15:40] <cyberanger> I ususally stick to the carolinas, but georgia and alabama works too
[15:42] <cyberanger> geogria isn't ideal, atlanta has ups, becomes the same issue with fedex and memphis
[15:42] <Dan9186> heh yup
[15:42] <Dan9186> though if it weren't for fedex memphis would be dead
[15:43] <cyberanger> vs dieing
[15:43] <Dan9186> we lopped a large portion of the necrotic tissue off with getting rid of king willy
[15:44] <cyberanger> same with where I grew up, some plastic corp. is all
[15:44] <cyberanger> and less than before
[15:46] <Dan9186> where was that?
[15:46] <cyberanger> Erie, PA
[15:46] <Dan9186> oh what was that work order software you suggested a while back? RT and what did it stand for
[15:47] <Dan9186> interesting, sorry to hear you were sentenced to the south :P
[15:48] <cyberanger> sentenced, hehe, that was a long time ago, some things I miss sure, but few regrets
[15:48] <Dan9186> i was born, grew up in, and lived in memphis almost all my life
[15:48] <Dan9186> not my most favorite place
[15:49] <cyberanger> assuming it was me, http://www.sugarcrm.com/ Sugar CRM
[15:49] <cyberanger> customer relationship management
[15:49] <cyberanger> ?
[15:50] <Dan9186> hmm, thought it was you, but text does look all alike
[15:50] <cyberanger> hehe
[15:50] <Dan9186> it wasn't sugarcrm, but i'ma add that to my list of things
[15:54] <cyberanger> hrm
[15:58]  * Dan9186 is really hating windows right now
[15:59]  * cyberanger allways hates windows
[15:59] <Dan9186> i've had to reassemble a laptop, and had to install of all things vista
[15:59] <Dan9186> it gets almost all the way through when it hangs on the "completing isntallation.."
[16:06] <cyberanger> that sounds like so much fun </scarsam>
[16:06] <Dan9186> windows is always fun
[16:07] <Dan9186> though i've never been, i would assume it's about as much fun as being on the wrong side of a shotgun barrel
[16:09] <cyberanger> well, I think it's a little more fun than that, like sitting on some plastic explosive
[16:10] <Dan9186> oh i see, you're suggesting it's more of a ride
[16:10] <cyberanger> yeah, life's a blast, go out with a bang
[16:10] <cyberanger> the ending is still the same unwanted outcome
[16:11] <cyberanger> linux is like that too, more like fireworks
[16:12] <Dan9186> well anything can be when it doesn't work, but i've had a lot more success thus far with linux
[16:12] <cyberanger> and usually the fireworks don't blow off a finger
[16:13] <cyberanger> just frustration when it doesn't lite
[16:13] <Dan9186> you haven't seen the pics i have on my phone then :)
[16:13] <cyberanger> (aka, configuring a new daemon, and it fails to work at first)
[16:13] <Dan9186> best friend is an ER nurse
[16:14] <cyberanger> I was referring to linux, not fireworks at that point
[16:14] <Dan9186> hehe, it's only as dangerous as the surface of the desk is when you /headdesk
[17:23] <Dan9186> what is the package called to install all the web server stuff? lamp?
[18:07] <Dan9186> netritious: mornin
[18:09] <netritious> morning Dan9186
[18:09] <netritious> Happy New Year :)
[18:20] <Dan9186> that's an aweful lot of pressure to put on me to suggest that the entirity of the whole year will be happy :P
[18:20] <Dan9186> verdict is still out as to what direction it may go considering the wedding and all
[18:47] <netritious> lol Dan9186
[19:57] <Dan9186> netritious: sorry was at lunch when i started chatting, so how was your new years?
[20:07] <netritious> good Dan9186...set off some fireworks around 11:30 pm when there was a small lull in the rain
[20:15] <netritious> oh, and my wife made the New Years Eve Good Luck dinner...
[20:15] <netritious> we usually have lamb chops, but this year she made Gyros from ground lamb at my request
[20:15] <netritious> got the recipe from Xpistos and it is purty friggin' good
[20:40] <wrst> hello netritious , Dan9186
[20:40] <wrst> netritious: did you have successful upgrades?
[20:51] <cyberanger> Dan9186: I'd just do it package by package
[20:51] <cyberanger> apache2
[20:51] <cyberanger> mysql
[20:51] <cyberanger> php
[20:51] <Dan9186> yeah already did :)
[20:51] <wrst> good afternoon cyberanger
[20:51] <cyberanger> reason I do that is usually I just need apache
[20:51] <Dan9186> thought i just might get to be lazy was all
[20:52] <cyberanger> wrst: did you see last night's messages I sent
[20:53]  * wrst scrolls up
[20:53] <wrst> oh yeah cyberanger i don't think i fully understood that
[20:55] <cyberanger> what bit?
[20:58] <wrst> the irc server part
[21:07] <cyberanger> ah, he logged into http://webchat.freenode.net which is holmes.freenode.net
[21:08] <wrst> ahh ok
[21:08] <cyberanger> why connect to the internet, when connecting to localhost will do
[21:08] <wrst> actually the web freenode client is pretty good
[21:09] <cyberanger> and idk how they deal with irc.freenode.net, but it appears to be a dns round robin
[21:11] <cyberanger> however I've just used hubbard.freenode.net (hardcoded) run be CMU
[21:14] <cyberanger> that's why he went straight to holmes
[21:15] <netritious> wrst: yes and no, but walking out the door atm...will explain later :D
[21:15] <netritious> afk
[21:16] <netritious> Dan9186: sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[21:16] <netritious> ok, now afk
[21:19] <cyberanger> (I should be using it too, tennessee via ssh to london to irc to pittsburgh to the linked ircd and then the other client, not an ideal route
[21:20] <cyberanger> esp if enough clients use the same ircd)
[21:21] <cyberanger> mhall119: Qimo got a good metion in chattanooga's lug
[21:27] <wrst> cyberanger: i don't even know what network i'm on
[21:28] <cyberanger> verne
[21:28] <cyberanger> newark nj
[21:29] <cyberanger>  /whois wrst wrst
[21:29] <wrst> that's not too far away then :)
[21:30] <cyberanger> yeah, and really the datacenter to datacenter (or my case university) lines are supurb so verne or holmes isn't that different, suprisingly
[21:31] <wrst> i  would have more issues with my limited speed to my house i would think than anything else
[21:38] <cyberanger> funny thing, I speed tested linode last night, I expected atlanta to win, followed by newark and dallas
[21:38] <cyberanger> london actually won
[21:39] <cyberanger> network topology can be weird that way
[21:41] <wrst> when i do any speed test atlanta generally is one of the slower ones for me
[21:43] <cyberanger> yes, but I also made traceroute a part of my test, all routed to atlanta
[21:43] <cyberanger> which made it weirder for it to be so slow
[21:44] <cyberanger> hey starsprout
[21:46] <starsprout> ping
[21:47] <starsprout> what lightweight distro is recommended for installing on a machine with only 256M or RAM?
[21:49] <cyberanger> crunchbang, damn small linux, puppy linux
[21:49] <cyberanger> others, but those three are my favorites (in order)
[21:50] <starsprout> perfect - I was just reading about crunchbang.
[21:51] <starsprout> gonna give it a shot on these older boxes
[22:15] <wrst> starsprout: if you are interested in staying around ubuntu might want to give lubuntu a try
[22:21] <starsprout> lubuntu
[22:21] <starsprout> sounds promising
[22:26] <cyberanger> yes, but at this time I'd put #! ahead of it
[22:27] <cyberanger> or do a lean install
[22:28] <starsprout> puppy's looking pretty good, although I can't seem to get it to boot after the installation yet
[23:01] <wrst> cyberanger: i have ran lubuntu on a machine with 256MB of RAM i thought it ran pretty nicely
[23:10]  * wrst wonders where software center went in natty
[23:18] <cyberanger> wrst: before or after some of the later changes
[23:18] <cyberanger> they kinda bloated it beyond the debian build
[23:19] <cyberanger> hey lengau


[07:28] <karora> evening
[08:03] <zapzupnz> evening
[14:26] <Atamira> we do the evening thing too?
[22:52] <karora> Atamira: Sometimes the day is so nice you just have to greet it twice :-)
[22:54] <Atamira> true
[22:54] <Atamira> nad its abeautiful day here today
[22:55] <Atamira> pity all the ppl who have lawns thought so as well and decided to mow their lawns


[09:23] <alan_g> anpok_: I just looked at lp:mir-android-platform - it doesn't seem to be picking up Mir package configs, linking against gtest, etc. Is there a branch I should checkout? Or am I looking too soon?
[09:25] <anpok_> I tested that with install lp:mir into an alternative destination directory..
[09:25] <anpok_> then setting the pkg config path to pull from there
[09:25] <anpok_> or $there/lib/pkgconfig/
[09:25] <anpok_> I had no problems with gtest
[09:29] <alan_g> Weird. I have Mir in /usr/local. The first thing I hit was gtest:
[09:29] <alan_g> $ git diff
[09:29] <alan_g> diff --git a/tests/unit-tests/platforms/android/CMakeLists.txt b/tests/unit-tests/platforms/android/CMakeLists.txt
[09:29] <alan_g> index 78ef6e6..a8cabda 100644
[09:29] <alan_g> --- a/tests/unit-tests/platforms/android/CMakeLists.txt
[09:29] <alan_g> +++ b/tests/unit-tests/platforms/android/CMakeLists.txt
[09:29] <alan_g> @@ -35,6 +35,9 @@ target_link_libraries(
[09:29] <alan_g>
[09:29] <alan_g>    client_platform_common
[09:29] <alan_g>    server_platform_common
[09:29] <alan_g> +  ${GTEST_BOTH_LIBRARIES}
[09:29] <alan_g> +  ${GMOCK_LIBRARY}
[09:29] <alan_g> +  ${GMOCK_MAIN_LIBRARY}
[09:29] <alan_g>    dl
[09:29] <alan_g>  )
[09:29] <alan_g> Then I found that it was picking up the wrong libmirserver.so
[09:30] <alan_g> so I asked
[09:31] <alan_g> But I see things like "mirserver" mentioned, not ${MIRSERVER_LDFLAGS} which is what I'd expect
[09:35] <anpok_> ok there is something wrong
[09:35] <anpok_> I just cleared by cmake cache
[09:36] <anpok_> and it fails to find gmock
[09:36] <anpok_> and gtest
[09:44] <alan_g> Your cmake cache came from a copy of lp:mir?
[10:14] <anpok_> alan_g: I dont think that would have been possible - but I did iterate untill it worked, and did not make a clear run after that.
[10:14] <anpok_> Can you try again?
[10:14] <anpok_> should be fine now..
[10:17] <alan_g> anpok_: better but still seeing it pick the wrong libmirserver.so:
[10:17] <alan_g> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/6/../../../x86_64-linux-gnu/libmirserver.so: undefined reference to `mir::protobuf::RaiseRequest::RaiseRequest()@MIR_PROTOBUF_3'
[10:18] <alan_g> I can investigate a bit later, just needed to know if it's worthwhile
[10:20] <alan_g> Actually, why would it be linking to libmirserver.so at all?!
[10:22] <anpok_> there are diagnostic utils that would.. but those are disabled at the moment
[10:23] <anpok_> test assist?
[10:24] <alan_g> That would be it
[10:25] <anpok_> ah and the wrapper need to changed
[10:27] <anpok_> or actually I should not need that..
[10:45] <anpok_> alan_g: ok I think I found something..
[10:47] <alan_g> There are a number of things: MIRSERVER_LDFLAGS, MIRCOMMON_LDFLAGS etc are used but never set
[10:48] <alan_g> MIRSERVER_LDFLAGS in particular shouldn't ever be needed
[10:57] <alan_g> Something somewhere is searching for libmirserver.so without going through a Mir .pc file.
[16:29] <alan_g> anpok_: Here's a fix - https://paste.ubuntu.com/24581832/


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[01:07] <fta> hm, our xulrunner-1.9.2-dev is now broken, no more .a :(
[09:59] <BUGabundo> hey hey hey Fat Albert is in the house
[10:02] <asac> hi
[10:14] <BUGabundo> hey asac
[10:14] <BUGabundo> how's the heather in beautiful barça?
[10:14] <BUGabundo> its sunny here, today
[10:18] <asac> yeah
[10:18] <asac> in fact we are not in barcelona yet
[10:18] <BUGabundo> oh
[10:18] <asac> like 50km outside
[10:18] <BUGabundo> eheh
[10:18] <BUGabundo> spain is that big
[10:18] <asac> saturday we will move here ;)
[10:18] <asac> there
[10:21] <BUGabundo> asac: whose "we"?
[10:31] <asac> canonical
[10:32] <asac> well ... canonical is here ... and the folks that go to UDS (mostly ubuntu, but also oem and other key folks) will move to the UDS hotel on sat
[10:35] <asac> fta: celso said he fixed your soyuz bug last night
[10:36] <asac> fta: so no need for tweakage
[10:39] <stefanlsd> how many does canonical have there?
[10:39] <asac> all :)
[10:39] <asac> allhands
[10:41] <BUGabundo> how many is *all* ?
[10:42] <asac> ~300
[10:43] <asac> ok moving somewhere else ... bbl
[10:43] <BUGabundo> 300??? damn that's plenty
[12:40] <fta> asac, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26995840/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.firefox-3.6_3.6~a1~hg20090520r28667%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd2~intrepid_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:40] <fta> asac, most probably due to https://bug488175.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=375655
[17:49] <fta> asac, mozilla 494172
[18:58] <BUGabundo> gym time see you latter
[19:05] <fta> stevel, what is the latest sb tag?
[19:07] <micahg> fta: do you know the policies for traige for mozilla bugs?
[19:08] <micahg> I'm wondering about labelling stuff with the xulrunner package/xulrunner upstream vs FF3/FF upstream
[19:09] <fta> micahg, i'm not much into bugs, you should ask asac
[19:09] <micahg> ok
[19:09] <micahg> is he around?
[19:09] <fta> micahg, he's in spain right now so i'm not sure. probably dinner time
[19:10] <micahg> ok
[19:10] <micahg> should I send E-Mail or just flag him in here?
[19:11] <fta> well, here should be fine, if you're patient enough.
[19:12] <fta> he usually answers
[19:12] <micahg> ok, do I need to restate or just wait?
[19:12] <micahg> I've got time :)
[19:14] <fta> no need, he has logs (as long as you see him in the channel)
[19:14] <micahg> ok
[19:14] <micahg> I'll wait then :)
[20:33] <stevel> fta: Songbird1.1.2
[20:33] <stevel> fta: we've cut the 1.2 branch as we're entering QA, but 1.2 won't be final for a few weeks yet
[20:35] <fta> stevel, do you mean i should not package it just now?
[20:35] <fta> stevel, do you have a beta tag or something?
[20:35] <stevel> fta: yeah - i wouldn't package 1.1.2 since 1.2 is ~3 weeks away
[20:36] <stevel> we don't have beta tags :( you can checkout the Songbird1.2 branch if you want to try building a test package
[20:37] <fta> stevel, i ask that because i see some people forked my package, like https://edge.launchpad.net/~matthaeus123/+archive/ppa?field.name_filter=songbird&field.status_filter=any&field.series_filter=any
[20:37] <fta> a lot of red so he's not very successful
[20:38] <fta> and versions are strange
[20:38] <stevel> looks like he's tried building both 1.2, and trunk (which has now moved up to 1.3a)
[20:39] <fta> hm
[23:40] <fta> BUGabundo, ~30 dents a day average! I call that spam ;)
[23:41] <BUGabundo1> only 30??
[23:41] <micahg> ??\
[23:41] <BUGabundo1> I must be calmer
[23:41] <BUGabundo1> it was 58 fta
[23:41] <BUGabundo1> http://www.macno.org/denticator.php?user=bugabundo&weekchart=bar&daychart=bar
[23:41] <fta> 9410 since 4 Jul 2008
[23:41] <BUGabundo1> http://www.macno.org/denticator.php?user=fta
[23:41] <fta> but that's just identi.ca
[23:42] <micahg> what is this form?
[23:42] <micahg> *for?
[23:42] <BUGabundo1> micahg: identica usage/stats
[23:42] <BUGabundo1> fta: are you following me anywhere else?
[23:43] <fta> nope, i'm just using identi.ca
[23:44] <BUGabundo1> according to that its ~50
[23:44] <BUGabundo1> no 30
[23:44] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[23:44] <fta> seems bogus to me: "Based on last 599 dents posted in the last 13 days daily average is 46.08 but excluding days without dents, the average is 42.79"
[23:45] <fta> the excluding number should be higher than 46.08
[23:45] <fta> like mine: "Based on last 378 dents posted in the last 103 days daily average is 3.67 but excluding days without dents, the average is 4.85"
[23:46] <fta> BUGabundo, "Absolute average: 9411 dents since 2008-07-04 (322 days): 29.23  dents/day", that's 30, not 50
[23:46] <BUGabundo1> you can get the code from macno
[23:46] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[23:46] <BUGabundo1> and check the alg
[23:46] <BUGabundo1> ahh miss read that
[23:47] <BUGabundo1> I was quieter in the beginning
[23:47] <BUGabundo1> lol
[23:49] <BUGabundo1> fta: my advice still stands: feel free to unsub
[23:49] <BUGabundo1> I never forced anyone to follow me
[23:49] <BUGabundo1> if you/they do, is because I (sometimes) dent intessing stuff
[23:50] <BUGabundo1> but there are tags and groups to track specific topics
[23:50] <fta> i'm not complaining
[23:51] <fta> i just wish notifications could stay under movies and games
[23:52] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[23:52] <BUGabundo1> after UDS we expect it to get better
[23:52] <BUGabundo1> its on the blueprint
[23:53] <fta> lol
[23:53] <BUGabundo1> fta: not compaining? it's the second time you mention it.... either you like stats as much as me, or you have a prob with all my dents
[23:53] <fta> i like stats
[23:53] <BUGabundo1> oh ok :)
[23:54] <fta> why do you think i keep posting popcon stats and all
[23:54] <BUGabundo1> yeah right
[23:54] <BUGabundo1> forgot that
[23:54] <BUGabundo1> midnight is not a good time for my head
[23:56] <fta> you never dented at 3pm?
[23:58] <BUGabundo1> sure I do
[23:58] <BUGabundo1> on my timezone
[23:58] <fta> not on your grpah
[23:58] <BUGabundo1> you OTOH sleep from 6 to 11h
[23:58] <fta> lol
[23:59] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[23:59] <fta> almost true
[23:59] <BUGabundo1> http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=bvg&chco=800080&chds=0,16&chxt=x,y&&chbh=a,20,20&chd=t:10,15,11,5,1,1,0,1,0,0,1,2,5,4,2,0,3,3,5,3,5,5,8,9&chs=450x150&chxl=0:|0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20|21|22|23|1:|0|8|16%
[23:59] <BUGabundo1> on mine there are a few at 3 and 4am


[16:19] <Naelr> I hate to do this because I know it isn't a support channel but I figure if you guys/gals work on ubuntu on laptops you might know of this problem and can't point me to a url/irc channel/ realperson who can help me
[16:20] <Naelr> bought an acer aspire 5520 and kubunut installs fine but on the reboot I end up in a busybox.. the OS can't find the hard drive....
[16:26] <zylche> ouch.
[16:26] <zylche> No clue, just saying.
[16:27] <Naelr> that is the general response I am getting in the 7 irc's I have open


[00:27] <mtrg> hi -- wireless not working after an update
[00:27] <mtrg> network manager says wireless disabled
[00:48] <mtrg> anyone here
[02:35] <four2zero> having issues with mounting a hd anyone around?
[02:52] <four2zero> having issues with mounting a hd anyone around?
[05:01] <Soupermanito> does xubuntu comes whit example content? like some ogg audio files or something to test audio?
[07:50] <mnemoc> hi, how does one change the "avatar" for gdm on xubuntu?
[07:50] <mnemoc> (11.04)
[08:02] <TheSheep> you put an image in your home directory called something specific
[08:02] <TheSheep> but I can't recall what
[08:04] <Unit193> Not in /usr/share/pixmaps/faces ?
[08:14] <Unit193> TheSheep was right. Put the image in your home with the name .face
[08:30] <mnemoc> thanks :)
[10:57] <yakeb> anybody in here?
[10:58] <Sysi> ask a quastion and if you get an ansver from somebody, there is at least that person
[11:01] <yakeb> i was looking for something like expose' on xfce, it seems like this should be possible, just not sure how to do it.
[11:01] <Sysi> you can get thatwith compiz, but it may need some setupping to get window borders with it
[11:02] <Sysi> or kwin (kde-window-manager)
[11:03] <yakeb> do you know what it's called in compiz?
[11:04] <Sysi> can't remember, it was something weird
[11:05] <yakeb> hmm
[11:13] <sss314> I have a small screen and can't see the bottom of the Xubuntu Installor, any way I can see it?
[13:23] <Cube``> guys
[13:23] <Cube``> goddamit
[13:23] <Cube``> i just got a nvidia geforce 520, and xubuntu wont boot
[15:38] <elros> are there any updates to xubuntu/xfce4 since the branching of oneiric?
[15:39] <drc> elros: Yes
[15:39] <elros> are they worth the update?
[15:40] <charlie-tca> however, oneiric is a development release. It is very much in an unstable state at this time, and not really usable
[15:40] <drc> elros: They're free
[15:40] <charlie-tca> If you are asking about updates for Xubuntu 11.04, you should run update manager and install updates regularly
[15:40] <elros> i know
[15:41] <drc> elros: Oh, do you mean updates to 11.04 or 11.10 (which is not even in alpha yet)?
[15:41] <elros> i came back from debian sid to natty
[15:41] <elros> and now i have this perpetual identity crisis of rolling-release vs point release
[15:42] <elros> drc: i have 11.04, was asking about package updates to oneiric
[15:43] <charlie-tca> Until at least beta, oceiric will be unstable and have many updates daily
[15:44] <charlie-tca> s/oceric/oneiric
[15:45] <charlie-tca> Most likely, oneiric will have more than 100 updates daily from alpha1 to rc
[15:45] <elros> ok
[15:46] <elros> maybe I'll wait 3 more months and jump in at beta
[15:49] <drc> AFAIK, Xubuntu 11.10 images are even up on the web yet...but are probably being passed from hand to hand in some dark, dingy bar somewhere in Casa Blanca.  "Psst, hey kid, wanna a free peek at Oneiric?"
[15:56] <Sysi> you know, sid isn't *really* rolling release :P
[16:17] <Unit193> Welcome backm jarnos :P
[16:40] <elros> is there a way to remove the playlist from parole? some hidden config?
[16:42] <elros> it looks like a promising project, but the playlist is annoying
[18:38] <Unit193> Why might it be that when I upgrade, it says this: Need to get 3,237 kB/3,812 kB of archives. | After this operation, 2,499 MB disk space will be freed.  | When it's not going to free 2,499 MBs (This isn't the first time)
[18:39] <Sysi> it's bad with math
[18:39] <Sysi> upgrade with apt-get?
[18:40] <Unit193> Yep
[18:40]  * Unit193 doesn't use/like aptitude
[18:41] <charlie-tca> It will remove enough for 2499MB, but will also add 3237kB, so the net result doesn't match up
[18:42] <Unit193> charlie-tca: This is the second time (Same exact number) and it's only upgrading some freenx stuff... (~30MB download)
[18:43] <Sysi> charlie-tca: it shouldn't calculate it like that
[18:44] <Sysi> Unit193: if you run apt-get autoremove does it do anything?
[18:44] <Unit193> Sysi: I had just done that before (And just now with nothing)
[18:45] <temp123> It does some cleanup of packages no longer required
[18:45] <charlie-tca> but every upgrade means changing file sizes, at least a little bit, since the file changed or you would not be upgrading it.
[18:45] <charlie-tca> If I change a word in a file, the file size almost always changes too
[18:46] <charlie-tca> It might be the "need to get" size is for a compressed file, too, and the "going to free" is not for compressed sizes
[19:07] <rsleventhal> afternoon folks.
[19:07] <elros> yup
[19:08] <rsleventhal> I was wondering if someone might point me in the right direction for fixing a very 'grainy' mouse pointer issue with xubuntu (natty) on my dell latitude d800 laptop (upgrade from maverick)
[19:09] <rsleventhal> the pointer itself seems to be at the left side of a dotted rectangle.  while it all works, it's really annoying
[19:10] <charlie-tca> is that on the desktop or all over?
[19:10] <elros> do you mean that the icon is ugly?
[19:10] <elros> oh now i see
[19:10] <rsleventhal> @charlie the pointer is that way everywhere in the gui
[19:11] <rsleventhal> @elros the arrow itself is fine, but it's sort of overlayed by this dotted box
[19:11] <Unit193> rsleventhal: The pointer is in the wrong spot? I 100% agree on this (Try to resize a window)
[19:11] <charlie-tca> rsleventhal: I think I would suggest trying a different cursor theme, to make sure that isn't it.
[19:11] <rsleventhal> I'll try that, charlie, thank youy
[19:12] <rsleventhal> @Unit the pointer works fine, but when it moves, this dot-filled rectangle does too
[19:12] <charlie-tca> means the mouse cursor is not an arrow by itself, but a box with an arrow, like gimp used to use
[19:12] <rsleventhal> exactly, charlie.
[19:13] <rsleventhal> this is with the default driver.  i've got nvidia, but when i use nvidia-current, i'm stuck at console, even after changing Driver=nvidia to Driver=nv in the xorg.conf file
[19:14] <charlie-tca> hm, might have to blacklist nouveau for nvidia-current to work right. I have seen that mentioned somewhere.
[19:14] <charlie-tca> It seems nouveau does not always get out of the way for nvidia-current
[19:14] <rsleventhal> interesting.  i've been looking around with google and forums, but hadn't seen that mentioned.
[19:21] <rsleventhal> blacklisting nouveau seems to have done the trick.  thank you *very* much for the tip
[19:22] <rsleventhal> thanks again....out
[19:50] <Soupermanito> D:
[19:50] <Soupermanito> i has a problem
[19:50] <Soupermanito> a huge problem
[19:50] <Soupermanito> !ask
[19:50] <drc> I has a cheesburger!
[19:51] <Soupermanito> ok, ok, when i go to a tty i can only see weird greencolored blocks D:
[19:51] <Soupermanito> just colored blocks, like huge pixels
[19:51] <Soupermanito> i can see that im writing
[19:51] <Soupermanito> but its not text just huge color pixels
[19:52] <Sysi> i guess it's issue with nvidia
[19:53] <Soupermanito> you guess
[19:53] <Soupermanito> ok
[19:53] <Soupermanito> i buy that
[19:56] <Soupermanito> :(
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Sounds like an issue with the video card not responding correctly to the file buffer commands that are setting things up now
[19:59] <charlie-tca> which may never get fixed, too
[20:01] <Sysi> http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/528691-console-messed-up-nvidia-drivers.html
[20:01] <Sysi> http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/
[20:06] <Soupermanito> :) thanks will read
[20:33] <Soupermanito> :(
[20:51] <gr8m8> well now, 69 nicks in the channel, must be getting near the record
[20:53] <Sysi> !stats
[20:53] <Sysi> meh
[21:00] <Soupermanito> okay fixed, thanks Sysi
[21:02] <Sysi> which one worked?
[21:05] <Soupermanito> the last one
[21:05] <Soupermanito> i know what i did now
[21:05] <Soupermanito> i used plymouth manager to try to change my botsplash
[21:06] <elros> have you tried startupmanager?
[21:06] <Soupermanito> and it added something to my /etc/default/grub inside the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" it added something like "vga 772" or something like that
[21:06] <Soupermanito> so i deleted that and things work again
[21:07] <Soupermanito> no elros i have not :)
[21:26] <elros> good choices for a lightweight web browser? must be gui (elinks for extreme cases), and I know that midori / arora / chromium / epiphany exist
[21:30] <Soupermanito> the one that comes whit puppy linux :P
[21:31] <gr8m8> I like conkeror for the keyboard control
[21:31] <Sysi> chromium is fast but need quite much ram, at least with multiple tabs
[21:31] <Soupermanito> >lightweight >konqueror
[21:31] <Soupermanito> choose one
[21:31] <Sysi> midori may be a bit unstable
[21:31] <Soupermanito> links2
[21:32] <gr8m8> I said conkeror -> there's no k involved
[21:32] <Soupermanito> links2 is pretty awesome
[21:32] <gr8m8> !info conkeror
[21:32] <Soupermanito> D: >conkeror >onkeror >nkeror >keror >K
[21:32] <Sysi> !search conkeror
[21:32] <Soupermanito> !info konqueror
[21:32] <Sysi> !find conkeror
[21:33] <gr8m8> it is based on firefox but much lighter
[21:33] <Soupermanito> oh, my ignorance
[21:33] <Sysi> Soupermanito: Different app.
[21:34] <Soupermanito> !info konkeror
[21:35] <elros> you're selling me kde
[21:35] <elros> not buying
[21:35] <Sysi> no, Soupermanito is messing
[21:35] <Soupermanito> D: i messing what?
[21:35] <gr8m8>  http://conkeror.org
[21:36] <Sysi> actually i think rekonq isn't that heavy but i'd go with epiphany, chromium or midori
[21:36] <Sysi> install and see
[21:36] <elros> conkeror, ok, I'll look at that
[21:37] <Soupermanito> elros, links2
[21:37] <Soupermanito> :P
[21:37] <elros> Soupermanito, is there much difference to elinks?
[21:38] <Soupermanito> don't know im trying to install that one to see but it says 404 to some dependencies
[21:39] <Soupermanito> :D after apt-get update it worked
[21:39] <Soupermanito> elros, is similar, but whit images support
[21:39] <Soupermanito> can run on X
[21:40] <Sysi> apt-get update is better to do at least every day
[21:41] <Soupermanito> yes
[21:41] <Soupermanito> i know
[21:41] <Soupermanito> was being lazyt
[21:42] <Soupermanito> elros, http://imagebin.org/155516
[21:42] <Unit193> I try not to do it more than once a day...
[21:42] <elros> that's impressive


[00:56] <macsplean> hello
[00:56] <macsplean> i am currently running <IP_ADDRESS> ... should i upgrade?
[05:28] <ppisati> moin
[07:50] <smb> morning
[07:59]  * apw complains about the cold :)
[08:10] <infinity> apw: Nice change from complaining about the heat.
[08:11] <apw> infinity, i don't discriminate
[08:12] <smb> infinity, Looks like we may get 30°C and a few thunderstorms
[08:13] <apw> smb, 30, we have more like 9
[08:13] <smb> infinity, And my condolences again ;-P
[08:14] <smb> apw, Right now its 14 but over there
[08:14] <apw> oh heh
[08:14] <smb> If I ever make it
[08:15] <ppisati> brb
[08:30] <apw> smb, at least youi don't need to pack any clothes if it is that hot
[08:31] <smb> apw, Given the US Americans liking for AC I have to
[09:04]  * apw notes that typing with a wacking great cut across ones index finger is sub-optimal
[09:10] <smb> apw, Maybe you are more careful with your keys next time. :-P
[09:14] <apw> smb, not a chance of me being more careful, i am too dumb
[09:15] <smb> apw, Isn't impatient a more fitting description. :)
[09:15] <apw> smb, both i suspect
[11:20]  * henrix -> lunch
[13:34] <mck182> hi, I just noticed I've been hit by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/823106 - using 13.04, standard kernel etc., so I've tried to update to kernel 3.9.0 from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.9-raring/ but after installation, all of the dkms cannot be built - here's nvidia dkms build log http://paste.kde.org/p99289c62/
[13:34] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 823106 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel panic - not syncing: smp_callin: CPU1 started up but did not get a callout on macbook running oneiric" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:34] <mck182> any ideas about either the bug or the failing dkms?
[13:42] <apw> mck182, well the 3.9 kernel is an unsupported mainline build, and more importantly is a newer version than that in 13.04, which was v3.8 so it is entirly likely the dkms packages are not compati
[13:43] <apw> compatible with v3.9
[13:44] <apw> you may have better luck with the versions of the dkms packages in devel as they have been built agianst all of the main releases in between
[13:45] <mck182> ah, I may try that
[16:24] <bjf> ppisati, got a precise ti-omap4 kernel for me :-)
[16:24] <ppisati> bjf: ah, i forgot
[16:24] <ppisati> bjf: but i'll do it now
[16:24] <bjf> ppisati, thanks
[16:25] <ppisati> bjf: what's the tracking bug?
[16:26] <bjf> ppisati, bug 1223607
[16:26] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1223607 in Kernel SRU Workflow promote-to-proposed "linux-ti-omap4: 3.2.0-1437.56 -proposed tracker" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1223607
[16:30] <ppisati> bjf: but that's marked as 'fix released'
[16:31] <bjf> ppisati, that's because you put the version for one that had been released. just go ahead and fix up the title and description and I'll "fix" the rest.
[16:32] <ppisati> bjf: ok
[16:48] <rtg> apw, uploaded goldfish with the tools package name changes
[16:48] <rtg> (and other stuff)
[16:52] <rtg> xnox, ^^ plus you config changes
[16:53] <xnox> rtg: \o/ thanks =) meta upload as well? (as there is no i386 meta yet)
[16:53] <rtg> xnox, yead, was waiting on that until apw and I sorted the tools package names
[16:53] <rtg> I'll git 'er done soon
[16:53] <xnox> rtg: alright, cool ;-)
[18:00] <FernandoMiguel> ah got in
[18:00] <FernandoMiguel> my network card isn't working with the latest kernel
[18:00] <FernandoMiguel> 3.11.0-7
[18:00] <FernandoMiguel> on ubuntu +1
[18:01] <FernandoMiguel> and ubuntu-bug linux is not helping ....
[18:01] <FernandoMiguel> The problem cannot be reported:  This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again.
[18:07] <ppisati> bjf: ok, i pushed a new kernel
[18:07] <ppisati> bjf: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ppisati/ubuntu-precise.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ti-omap4
[18:07] <bjf> ppisati, cool, thanks
[18:07] <ppisati> bjf: and updated the tracking bug
[21:33] <rostam> HI is there a way to o monitor changes to some memory map area in user land? thx
[21:46]  * rtg -> EOD


[00:50] <ubotu> New bug: #187906 in xserver-xorg-video-sis (main) "Screen corruption on low resolutions: xserver-xorg-video-sis" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187906
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #187967 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "[regression][M6 LY] blue box instead of video output" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187967
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #187808 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "driver ati CTRL+ALT+DEL doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187808
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #188014 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "[hardy] intel driver wants to use resolution 1280x768 instead of 1024x768 (i830m)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188014
[13:02] <ubotu> New bug: #186643 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati (main) "Radeon treiber in Gutsy unterstützt nicht Grafikkarte Radeon 8500" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186643
[13:28] <ubotu> New bug: #9379 in xorg-server (main) "Xnest default size messed up with Xinerama" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/9379
[16:49] <Q-FUNK> oh lovely.
[16:50] <Q-FUNK> it turns out that the linuxbios guys also have a fork of vm86 and of x86emu.
[16:50] <Q-FUNK>  they have apparently asked the X.org team if they could be persuaded to maintian only one tree and to do it jointly. "yeah, maybe we should do it, one day..."
[16:51] <Q-FUNK> *sigh*
[18:10] <ubotu> New bug: #188115 in libx11 (main) "XkbGetKeyboard no longer reporting correct keyboard geometry" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188115
[18:35] <ubotu> New bug: #174756 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Inspiron 1420: Intel GM965 s-video TV-out shows wrong colors on Ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174756
[19:58] <ubotu> New bug: #188152 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "aticonfig crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188152
[21:11] <ubotu> New bug: #188178 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "xserver-xorg-video-intel: 945GM always crashes within 10 seconds of login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188178
[22:48] <bryce> wow, intel finally released their gfx driver manuals 8-)
[22:49] <tjaalton> yep


[00:47] <JackFrost> yano: Hmm, are all the ##weather-* channels that empty?
[00:49] <skellat> .nws 44004
[00:49] <jenni> There are no active watches, warnings or advisories, for Ashtabula, OH.
[00:49] <skellat> .wx 44004
[00:49] <jenni> Cover: Cloudy, Temp: 32.0°F (0.0°C), Dew Point: 28.9°F (-1.7°C), Humidity: 88%, Apparent Temp: 24.4°F (-4.2°C), Pressure: 30.17in (1021.76mb), Condition: Partly Cloudy Night, Wind: Gentle breeze 8.7mph (14.0kmh) (←) - Ashtabula, Ohio, United States (Powered by Forecast, forecast.io)
[00:49] <skellat> JackFrost: No blizzard yet!
[00:51] <skellat> .removepoint JackFrost
[00:51] <skellat> Oh, wait, your incarnation has none
[00:51] <skellat> .scores
[00:51] <jenni> Top 10 (for #ubuntu-us-oh): unit193: +3/-0, 3 | paultag: +2/-0, 2 | jrgifford: +2/-0, 2 | belkinsa: +2/-0, 2 | yano: +2/-0, 2 | dzho: +1/-0, 1
[00:52] <JackFrost> If I get that down to 0, does it remove it from the list and stop pinging?
[00:52] <skellat> Don't know
[00:53] <skellat> .removepoint unit193
[00:53] <skellat> .help
[00:53] <jenni> skellat: For a list of all of my commands, please visit: https://is.gd/CPStvK
[00:53] <skellat> .rmpoint uni193
[00:53] <jenni> uni193: +0/-1, -1
[00:53] <skellat> .rmpoint JackFrost
[00:53] <skellat> I am rate-limited
[00:54] <skellat> .tell Unit193 THE GAME
[00:54] <jenni> skellat: I'll pass that on when Unit193 is around.
[00:54] <JackFrost> .
[03:39] <yano> JackFrost: what do you mean?
[21:21] <skellat> This has implications: http://boingboing.net/2014/12/19/obama-on-sony-hack-sony-mad.html
[21:21] <jenni> [ Obama on hack: "Sony made a mistake" in killing 'The Interview' - Boing Boing ] - https://j.mp/1AP9bDP


[11:07] <ogra_> Fatal server error:
[11:07] <ogra_> [    62.328] Inconsistent depth 24 pixmap format.  Exiting
[11:08] <ogra_> that seems to happen on all arm test installs for beta2 ... did anything in xorg change recently that makes 24bit being considered bad ?
[11:19] <tjaalton_> doubt it
[11:37] <ogra_> tjaalton, well, the point is that neither the kernel, nor the binary driver nor the xorg driver changed on the pandaboard ... its all just a copy from quantal (not even recompiled afaik)
[11:37] <ogra_> so the only part failing can be xorg itself
[11:54] <seb128> bah, hate you intel driver, compiz frozen again while doing a dnd between screens and I can't restart it
[11:54] <seb128> "intel_do_flush_locked failed: Input/output error"
[11:55] <seb128> Apr  4 13:53:06 localhost kernel: [16594.405422] [drm:i915_hangcheck_hung] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung
[11:55] <seb128> Apr  4 13:53:06 localhost kernel: [16594.405430] [drm] capturing error event; look for more information in /debug/dri/0/i915_error_state
[11:55]  * seb128 reboots
[12:06] <tjaalton> seb128: maybe try 3.9rc kernel?
[12:07] <seb128> tjaalton, it's not like I was having the issue every time, I could try those, but even if that works that doesn't me a fix for raring, just a workaround for me
[12:07] <seb128> or is there a specific fix in there that you are considering asking for backport to the raring kernel?
[12:10] <tjaalton> seb128: no, but it would give some working baseline to bisect from
[12:10] <tjaalton> if it's fixed
[12:19] <seb128> tjaalton, I will try to see if I can easily reproduce and then test the new kernel if it makes a difference
[12:19] <seb128> I wonder if that's the same gpu hang that dholbach was asking about yesterday
[12:19] <seb128> seems quite frequent, I hit an hang a day on raring on my i5 laptop :-(
[12:20] <tjaalton> that's too bad.. I only get the compiz hang after user-switch on my ivybridge desktop
[12:20] <tjaalton> "only"
[12:21] <tjaalton> seb128: hey, you could test new mesa too :) https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-staging
[12:21] <tjaalton> there's a ffe for it
[12:21] <tjaalton> so it's not completely crackful
[12:21] <seb128> do you have a dual screen setup? ;-)
[12:21] <tjaalton> no
[12:21] <tjaalton> it makes a difference I bet
[12:21] <seb128> k, no luck then
[12:22] <seb128> well, the hang I just hit seems to happen when dnd between the 2 screens
[12:22] <tjaalton> 3.9 got some pageflip rewrite so it might help
[12:22] <seb128> I hit it several times this way this week
[12:22] <tjaalton> hmm, wonder if it was you or someone else who said the same
[12:25] <tjaalton> isn't the dpi hardcoded to 96 somewhere?
[12:28] <seb128> tjaalton, in GNOME?
[12:28] <tjaalton> yes
[12:28] <tjaalton> i think
[12:28] <seb128> yes, it is
[12:28] <seb128> why?
[12:28] <tjaalton> bug 1164379
[12:29] <tjaalton> was about to close it as wontfix
[12:30] <seb128> tjaalton, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/tree/plugins/xsettings/gsd-xsettings-manager.c#n67
[12:30] <tjaalton> thanks
[12:30] <seb128> yw
[21:17] <marvin24> tjaalton, mlankhorst: xserver segfaults on some ARM in xf86platformBus.c
[21:17] <marvin24> the problem is that on my machine, the pci busid is NULL around line 226
[21:18] <marvin24> and strncmp doesn't like this
[21:18] <marvin24> this is on raring btw
[21:19] <marvin24> adding a check in the if expression fixes it for me
[21:21] <tjaalton> marvin24: bug 1161981
[21:21] <tjaalton> maybe?
[21:22] <tjaalton> yeah
[21:22] <ogra_> hmm, i just had marked that as duplicate
[21:23] <ogra_> i thought ...
[21:23] <marvin24> tjaalton: no, xserver crashes very early
[21:24] <marvin24> before loading any module
[21:24] <ogra_> tjaalton, thats not on a panda
[21:24] <ogra_> marvin24, thats raring, right ?
[21:25] <marvin24> http://sprunge.us/hdfT
[21:25] <marvin24> ogra_: yes
[21:25] <ogra_> intresting is that it works with a 3.1 kernel
[21:25] <ogra_> but not with 3.8
[21:26] <ogra_> i wonder what changed
[21:26] <marvin24> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5677653
[21:26] <marvin24> ogra_: related to pci
[21:26] <marvin24> seems pci is detected but no busid
[21:26] <marvin24> it worked a few weeks ago
[21:27] <marvin24> I also wonder what changed
[21:27] <marvin24> (it worked with 3.8 until xserver was upgraded)
[21:27] <tjaalton> it's the same bug
[21:28] <ogra_> well, then it is probably the same but manifests differently
[21:28] <marvin24> tjaalton: at so different places in the start process?
[21:28] <ogra_> ah, to slow :)
[21:28] <tjaalton> marvin24: yes
[21:29] <marvin24> ah, just read comment #21
[21:29] <marvin24> so seems you are right
[21:30] <ogra_> awesome
[21:30] <mlankhorst> marvin24: oh on arm we could ignore the platform string, I tried to be careful and require pci, but I guess I messed up
[21:30] <ogra_> well, there are arm boards with PCI buses
[21:30] <mlankhorst> my point is that it shouldn't have crashed to begin with
[21:31] <ogra_> i havent seen one that had a graphics card in there ever, but they exist
[21:31] <mlankhorst> that's all
[21:31] <ogra_> ah, yeah
[21:31] <mlankhorst> and it should be a straightforward fix but im asleep
[21:31] <mlankhorst> xorg-server only seems to care about busid for pci devices
[21:32] <mlankhorst> i think
[21:32] <marvin24> well, busid should be checked against NULL in any case
[21:33] <mlankhorst> oh it's loading modesetting too?
[21:33] <marvin24> well, kind of
[21:33] <marvin24> opentegra
[21:33] <marvin24> which is modesetting + some stuff
[21:33] <mlankhorst> I mean from the bug report
[21:34] <mlankhorst> worst case, I guess it has to determine another way to check if those devices are identical
[21:35]  * marvin24 is also tired
[21:35] <marvin24> I'm off