[03:49] <trailbrain> Can I volunteer my website to be a mirror for edubuntu?
[03:50] <trailbrain> How would I go about doing that?
[03:50] <trailbrain> Heck, I've got unlimited bandwith---might as well host ubuntu as well!
[04:00] <Fritz87> afaik you can just make it available and share it with whomever as long as its free
[04:01] <Fritz87> oh nvm... I'm tired, not thinking quite clearly
[05:56] <Ahmuck> nubae: sorry, got called away on short notice
[06:34] <Grumpy> nubae: http://pastebin.be/15025 - current, default, works
[06:39] <Grumpy> nubae: http://pastebin.be/15026 - dhcp.conf file that's not working
[07:01] <Fritz87_> Does anyone know any good statistics showing the benefits of computer access for k-12 students?
[07:01] <Fritz87_> its been laughably difficult for me to come up with anything, I've been working on it  for about 2 hours
[07:02] <Fritz87_> have google, google scholar, ebsco host etc
[07:02] <Fritz87_> That or the disadvantages created by a lack of computer access
[07:13] <freetown> besides gaining computer/'computer social' skills?
[07:41] <Grumpy> work skills, such as typng,etc.
[07:41] <Grumpy> i've found that unless you limit a students computer access they loos learning
[08:08] <freetown> Grumpy, as in they go into passive mode and just browse and browse just like potato couches just lie there watching TV?
[08:35] <Ahmuck> children, and adults need interaction, physical.  "mybabycanread" is a program that will teach young children to read by 18months. 4 and 5 grade readers.  it's acheived by introducing reading from birth through a different methods, singing, playing, drilling, etc. the babys don't think reading is a chore, they enjoy it
[08:36] <Ahmuck> the computer is simply a tool to get a job done.  like a screwdriver and wrench for a mechanic.  anything else, and it becomes a ball and chain.  it's my opinion that we put to much emphasis on computers and thier programs ratther than the what they can do for us
[13:07] <nubae> jeez people have real trouble following instructions
[13:07] <nubae> even when typed out in front of them
[13:07] <ogra> record them as mp3 ?
[13:08] <nubae> difficult to copy and paste from :p
[13:08] <ogra> copy paste is for slackers :P


[12:22] <Spawn> Can someone Help me with my ATI Driver?  I can't get it to load on the OpenGL.. It keeps using Mesa Project......
[05:27] <tritium> crimsun: have you tried using the line out jack on a docking station with your Thinkpad?  I tried, but sound still comes out of the laptop speakers.
[05:28] <crimsun> I don't have a dock.
[05:28] <tritium> Ah, okay.
[05:28] <crimsun> I hope it's not jack sense coming back to bite me in the arse.
[05:28] <tritium> dunno
[05:29] <tritium> was wondering about jack sense, though
[05:29] <crimsun> if it works between hp/speakers, then it's unlikely to be jack sense
[05:29] <crimsun> make sure your thinkpad is running the latest bios for that model
[05:30] <crimsun> I used to have similar problems on suspend until I updated to a newer bios
[05:30] <tritium> It should be the latest.  I'll see what more I can find out.
[05:33] <jldugger> what audio chipset does the thinkpad use?
[05:34] <tritium> I don't recall.  I left it at work, so I can't verify.
[05:35] <crimsun> what model thinkpad is it?
[05:36] <jldugger> well, ive got a toshiba, i was wondering if he had Intel HDA (and if that was supposed to be fixed in HDA)
[05:36] <crimsun> I've backported all the HDA fixes that exist in addition to a dozen that are in upstream's queue
[05:36] <tritium> crimsun: It's a T43p
[05:37] <tritium> 2668G7U, if I recall
[05:37] <crimsun> same codec I have, then.
[05:37] <crimsun> snd_intel8x0 driver
[05:37] <tritium> cool
[05:37] <crimsun> ad1981b codec
[05:38] <jldugger> what package would a jack sense bug fall under, usually?
[05:38] <crimsun> linux-source-2.6.1x
[05:38] <crimsun> there aren't many jack sense bugs remaining
[05:39] <crimsun> the ones that are still fluttering about are doing so because there are more serious pin-out issues
[05:39] <jldugger> hmm =(
[05:39] <crimsun> some are resolved by bios updates
[05:39] <tritium> If not jack sense, what might be my problem?
[05:39] <tritium> bios aside, since I am fairly certain it's the latest
[05:39] <crimsun> tritium: dock interaction
[05:40] <jldugger> i notice that my tecra m7 has some wierd volume state persistance, where setting the volume to mute in windows will mute the sound in linux
[05:40] <crimsun> right, some machines do that
[05:41] <jldugger> that seems wierd to me, that the hardware preserves state like that across boots
[05:41] <crimsun> across warm boots? That's not at all surprising.
[05:42] <jldugger> define warm
[05:42] <crimsun> no powerdown.
[05:42] <jldugger> no
[05:42] <jldugger> i'll shut it down
[05:42] <jldugger> turn it on after being off all night
[05:42] <jldugger> problem persists
[05:42] <jldugger> i might investigate if pulling the battery solves it
[05:42] <crimsun> that's not a problem until you've determined that it's not supposed to act that way.
[05:43] <jldugger> i didnt say it was a problem, just that its wierd
[05:43] <jldugger> oh
[05:43] <jldugger> i guess the problem would be that you cant turn the sound on at all in that state in linux, to my knowledge
[05:45] <crimsun> have you verified the behavior with alsa-driver-1.0.13?
[05:45] <jldugger> is that feisty?
[05:46] <crimsun> no, it's upstream or Debian
[05:46] <tritium> good night, crimsun & jldugger
[05:46] <jldugger> ah. it hasnt bothered me to the point where id build my own drivers  yet.
[05:46] <crimsun> all the patches were available prior to Edgy shipping, but understandably Edgy shipped without a fair number of necessary HDA patches
[05:47] <crimsun> 'night tritium
[05:49] <jldugger> amusing unrelated note: installing network-manager cut like 5 seconds off of bootchart
[05:49] <jldugger> probably because it put those 5 seconds into my session
[05:54] <jldugger> is there a smart way to go about building and installing alsa-driver-1.0.13?
[05:55] <crimsun> yes. apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential && wget ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/driver/alsa-driver-1.0.13.tar.bz2 && tar xf alsa-driver-1.0.13.tar.bz2 && cd alsa-driver-1.0.13 && ./configure --with-oss=yes --with-sequencer=yes --with-debug=full --with-cards=hda-intel --with-kernel=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build && make && sudo make install-modules && sudo depmod -e &&
[05:56] <crimsun> sudo kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*|sort -r) && sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}' |sort -r) && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[05:59] <jldugger> damn
[05:59] <jldugger> was expecting to get a web page or something
[05:59] <jldugger> thats much more useful
[05:59] <crimsun> I've only typed that a dozen times today.
[05:59] <jldugger> heh
[06:00] <jldugger> at least in my terminal, cntl-r will do a search through history ;)
[06:00] <crimsun> [esc] / here  (zsh-beta)
[06:08] <jldugger> hmm. i think that part to kill everything touching audio files might be zsh or something
[06:10] <crimsun> it's probably the module list order
[06:10] <crimsun> snd_page_alloc is sometimes loaded prior to snd
[06:10] <jldugger> i think its kill
[06:11] <crimsun> if it gives you a "usage.." message, then it's kill
[06:11] <jldugger> because i get the usage dialog
[06:11] <jldugger> yea
[06:11] <crimsun> (and that syntax is valid sh)
[06:12] <jldugger> perhaps it failed the first time because of load order, then when i ran it again, it couldnt find any programs to kill
[06:14] <pwnguin> i dont think it needed the reverse sort
[06:15] <crimsun> the only sort -r that's necessary is the lsmod one
[06:15] <crimsun> the one following lsof is optional but shouldn't throw an error
[06:16] <pwnguin> well, seems to have loaded some stuff, and gnome popped up
[06:19] <pwnguin> yea, for some reason, that module remove line only works without error unsorted
[06:19] <pwnguin> oh, i guess i should note that i am jldugger
[06:30] <jldugger> no change in behaviors =/
[10:13] <DrSpin> I can declare 100% OOB compatability with my GQ-ZX5360 (Fry's House Brand)
[10:14] <DrSpin> ACPI Issues that were present in Dapper don't exist in Edgy (Have to start the computer on A/C in order be able to unplug it without it suspending
[10:14] <DrSpin> WPA doesn't work but I don't think this card supports
[10:14] <DrSpin> it
[10:15] <DrSpin> I will complain that everytime I switch wireless networks I have to run /etc/init.d/networking restart in order for DNS to update
[10:17] <DrSpin> Have noticed this as well if I have to swtich to ETH for whatever reason


[00:33] <ximion> robert_ancell: still there? You should maybe subscribe to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- hughsie recently proposed his JSON protocol for ratings & reviews for inclusion into the standard, and I would like to have some feedback from other SC implementors
[00:34] <ximion> technically, you're "just" using GNOME Software, but especially since Ubuntu has it's own Ratings & Reviews, I would welcome feedback on this
[00:35] <ximion> I don't want to favor just one distro or add things to the spec which will only be used by very few people (with the rest using alternative implementations)
[00:59] <robert_ancell> ximion, I will take a look
[01:11] <ximion> reminds me, does Laney know that the AppStream mailinglist exists?
[01:11]  * ximion missed the opportunity to make some noise about it in the AppStream release notes
[01:11] <ximion> anyway, need sleep, gn8
[05:30] <hikiko> hello
[09:04] <Laney> sup
[09:04] <larsu> Laney: tried to drink orange juice, but the straw had a hole
[09:05] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[09:05] <Laney> plug it with your finger!
[09:05] <seb128> hey larsu Laney
[09:05]  * larsu contends that he has the most interesting story of the morning
[09:05] <larsu> Laney: got a new one ;)
[09:05] <larsu> bonjour seb128!
[09:06] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:06] <Laney> ooh the new paint for the wall ↑ came this morning
[09:06] <Laney> that's an interesting story
[09:07] <Laney> check it out
[09:07] <larsu> hm, true
[09:07] <larsu> maybe we should put it up to a vote
[09:07] <larsu> I wonder if meetingology can conduct votes?
[09:07] <darkxst> Laney, does tha mean you have to paint the wall!
[09:07] <Laney> darkxst: our friend is starting a business doing painting :P
[09:08] <Laney> we are some of the first customers!
[09:08] <darkxst> Laney, so you are the guinea pig :)
[09:10] <larsu> Laney: nice color!
[09:11] <Laney> not as bright in place unfortunately, the wall it's going on doesn't get direct light ;_;
[09:12] <seb128> is that official Ubuntu orange? ;-)
[09:12] <seb128> Laney is a true believer in the brand
[09:12] <alexarnaud> Good morning everyone !
[09:12] <Laney> new official orange or old official orange?
[09:12] <Laney> :@
[09:13] <seb128> depend of your screen and color profile :p
[09:13] <seb128> we have melting snow this morning, I wonder if that's enough of a story to compete with the orange juice and paintain
[09:13] <seb128> ing
[09:14] <larsu> depends. how fast is it melting?
[09:14] <darkxst> seb128, it would melt way faster here ;)
[09:15] <seb128> larsu, now it's turning on "melting before reaching the ground"
[09:16] <seb128> but earlier it was sticking a bit on the ground
[09:16] <seb128> we would need a few °C less :/
[09:16] <larsu> wow... this story is suspenseful! I don't think the paint can compete with that
[09:16] <seb128> :-)
[09:19]  * Laney mutters
[09:19] <Laney> i'll get you next time
[09:19]  * darkxst trained the chickens to train the dogs, not to eat them! how it that for a story ;0
[09:20] <Laney> you...
[09:20] <Laney> can train chickens?
[09:20] <Laney> chickens can eat dogs?
[09:20] <Laney> so many questions
[09:20] <darkxst> apparently and no, dogs eat chickens or ours would!
[09:22] <Trevinho> muktupavels: so... https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/compiz/gwd-marco-gsettings-v2/+merge/287836 is replacing the old branch from ~ubuntu-mate-dev?
[09:24] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are your holidays going?
[09:25] <Trevinho> seb128: good, but working today :)
[09:26] <Trevinho> seb128: snow was awesome two days ago... I really enjoyed skiing
[09:27] <seb128> nice
[09:27] <seb128> Trevinho, ok, the "week summary" email said your were off on thursday/friday
[09:28] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I changed, since weather isn't great today, so I  prefer to work
[09:28] <seb128> k, makes sense
[09:28] <seb128> it's good that we have flexibility like that ;-)
[09:28] <Trevinho> Yeah... Like a dream :)
[09:28] <Trevinho> Also today there was the meeting with kylin, so I preferred to stay.
[09:32] <seb128> k
[09:32]  * seb128 doesn't know what to do with that GtkPlacesSidebar ABI change in gtk 3.18 and old nautilus
[09:33] <seb128> that's annoying
[09:33]  * seb128 wants snaps to be able to bundle an old gtk :p
[09:34] <darkxst> seb128, you could port the 3.18 sidebar widget to old nautilus, or you just don't like the new one?
[09:34] <seb128> I'm leaning toward copying the widget from gtk 3.16 in nautilus
[09:34] <seb128> but I then need to copy gtkbookmarks&trash as well
[09:35] <seb128> I can't easily do that no
[09:35] <Trevinho> Laney: did you see the upstream changes related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkg-config/+bug/1523508 ?
[09:35] <Trevinho> Laney: not sure it's the case to backport the changes...
[09:35] <seb128> the issue is that sidebar changes to be menu based to handle popovers
[09:35] <seb128> but the new api is based on gactions
[09:36] <seb128> converting nautilus 3.14 is too much work
[09:37] <darkxst> and 3.18 nautilus is too unstable?
[09:38] <darkxst> it certainly has its issues, but 3.18.5 seems better
[09:38] <tjaalton> seb128: infinity is out so the xserver is still not copied to xenial.. should I just reupload it all so that they'll get rebuilt in -proposed instead?
[09:38] <Laney> Trevinho: can't we take 0.29.1?
[09:38] <Laney> Trevinho: can you test that commit?
[09:39] <Trevinho> Laney: we could take 0.29.1 yes...
[09:39] <Trevinho> Laney: as for compiz side, we handle both cases now, so... It just doesn't matter
[09:39] <Laney> still would be good to know if it fixes the original problem
[09:39] <Trevinho> but, to  avoid other unknown breakages around, I'd go with the old-fashioned way of handling vars
[09:40] <Trevinho> Laney: ok, yes
[09:40] <Trevinho> I can do that
[09:40] <seb128> darkxst, we had it and reverted, the zoom levels limitation and some other things make it risky user reception for the lts
[09:41] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, sorry I didn't follow ... what's the issue? are you blocked on copy and by what?
[09:41] <darkxst> seb128, yes I am aware it was reverted
[09:41] <Trevinho> Laney: however it seems quite likely, since it's a revert...
[09:42] <darkxst> seb128, zoom levels don't seem hard to fix, but what else is causing problems?
[09:42] <tjaalton> seb128: the xserver transition, I've been waiting for someone to copy the binaries but infinity is out
[09:42] <seb128> tjaalton, you don't have upload rights for it?
[09:42] <tjaalton> I do, but before they've been just copied from the staging ppa
[09:43] <seb128> well if you can upload you can copy
[09:43] <tjaalton> how?
[09:43] <seb128> I don't understand why you need somebody
[09:43] <seb128> using copy-package
[09:43] <tjaalton> never knew that
[09:43] <Laney> Trevinho: sounds like a revert + looking for quotes, so should be safe but still good to confirm - thanks!
[09:44] <Laney> nice that he fixed it
[09:44] <tjaalton> ok I have the archive-tools handy.. will give it a go then :)
[09:44] <seb128> great, let me know if you need help
[09:45] <seb128> tjaalton, should be something around the line of
[09:45] <seb128> ./copy-package --ppa=canonical-x --ppa-name=x-staging -s xenial --to-primary --to-suite xenial-proposed <name>
[09:48] <tjaalton> yep, seems to work
[09:49] <seb128> darkxst, there is a summary of the reasons in
[09:49] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1541954
[09:49] <seb128> tjaalton, sorry, I though that you know that whoever can upload can also copy
[09:49] <seb128> knew
[09:49] <seb128> I didn't really understand why you were holding, I would have told you earlier :-/
[09:51] <tjaalton> heh, no worries
[09:51] <tjaalton> realized that mlankhorst couldn't copy, not all of these anyway
[09:52] <tjaalton> Candidate copy target: https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu/+archive/primary
[09:52] <tjaalton> looks right?
[09:53] <seb128> where do you see that?
[09:53] <darkxst> seb128, its a balancing act, carlos has been pretty good backporting fixes to the 3.18 branch
[09:53] <seb128> I'm unsure to understand the question
[09:53] <tjaalton> Copy candidates: xorg-server 2:1.18.1-1ubuntu3 in xenial
[09:53] <tjaalton> Candidate copy target: https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu/+archive/primary
[09:54] <darkxst> but some things like zoom arent consider a problem upstream
[09:54] <muktupavels> Trevinho, only if you are ok with removing tests. why they are not enabled when building debian packages?
[09:55] <Laney> darkxst: did you see https://csorianognome.wordpress.com/2016/02/24/nautilus-3-20-last-change-zooms/ ?
[09:55] <darkxst> seb128, why is it so hard to add the menu bar back?
[09:55] <seb128> darkxst, they are, it's being worked on on e.g https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/log/?h=wip/cosimoc/zoom-levels-v2 and csoriano said he's probably going to need to distro patch something there for the next RHEL update as well
[09:56] <darkxst> no I hadnt seen that
[09:57] <seb128> tjaalton, looks fine to me, I didn't use it for a while but if you did "--to-primary --to-suite xenial-proposed" it should be right
[09:57] <Laney> most people can't upload to the release pocket directly anyway
[09:57] <Laney> so it'll fail
[09:58] <seb128> Laney, but tjaalton can uploaded xorg so it should work no?
[09:58] <darkxst> but why wouldnt you cherry-pick improvement rather than revert
[09:58] <Laney> seb128: yeah I mean the maximum harm of getting it wrong isn't very high
[09:58] <seb128> darkxst, because at the time we reverted the improvements were still not done and judged difficult to do
[09:58] <seb128> Laney, right
[09:58] <Laney> unless you're in the release team in which case it gets accepted into xenial-release
[09:58] <seb128> darkxst, also that is one of the points
[09:58] <Laney> and then you get killed
[09:59] <seb128> haha
[10:00] <tjaalton> ok, all copied
[10:01] <tjaalton> oh hell
[10:01] <seb128> tjaalton, ?
[10:01] <tjaalton> guess I get to do a bunch of rebuilds
[10:02] <tjaalton> I thought this would copy the binaries too
[10:02] <seb128> arg
[10:02] <seb128> sorry my fault, you need "-b" for that :-/
[10:02] <tjaalton> yeah missed that from the help
[10:03] <darkxst> seb128, I dont rrally have time for what if's, but I do have maybe a week before I am back at full-time work
[10:07] <darkxst> but still I have largely no  idea whats needs to be done...
[10:08] <darkxst> and yes apparently I can't type while watching TV
[10:48] <willcooke> since I'm not doing a very good job of being off sick I might as well log in
[10:50] <tjaalton> seb128: is there a way to artificially keep a package in proposed?
[10:57] <tjaalton> hmm I guess xserver will remain there until rdeps have been rebuilt
[10:58] <tjaalton> which is good
[11:01] <Laney> hey willcooke
[11:01] <willcooke> ello
[11:01] <Laney> are you contagious?
[11:02] <willcooke> I think so
[11:02] <willcooke> I've put a face mask over my ethernet port
[11:02]  * Laney backs off
[11:02] <davmor2> willcooke: confirmed you modem bug
[11:02] <willcooke> thx davmor2
[11:02] <willcooke> spoke to cyphermox last night, he's going to see what he can do for NM upgrade
[11:03] <willcooke> davmor2, if you manually run usb_modeswitch does it "fix" it?
[11:03] <davmor2> willcooke: will try that now
[11:05] <davmor2> meh that'll be why I have modemmanger removed to be able to flash phones D'oh let me do a fresh install on some hardware and reconfirm
[11:05] <willcooke> ah ha
[11:06] <davmor2> willcooke: infact I can run it from a live session that will be quicker still
[11:12] <davmor2> willcooke: so for me in live session I get Mobile Broadband not enabled
[11:13] <willcooke> dont follow you
[11:13] <willcooke> is that good or bad?
[11:13] <davmor2> willcooke: so it looks like the switch is happening but not connection is made
[11:14] <willcooke> davmor2, oh.  But it detects the modem ok?
[11:15] <davmor2> willcooke: well debatable I'll wait for awe and cyphermox to get online and have a debug session from live session then hopefully we can whittle it down a bit for them
[11:15] <willcooke> davmor2, nice one, cheers matey
[11:27] <davmor2> willcooke: bugger looks like it is biting us in 14.04.4 too
[11:27] <willcooke> davmor2, erk
[11:28] <davmor2> willcooke: there though I get no connection at all so is likely to be the usb mode switch
[11:29]  * davmor2 is so glad to have all this spare hardware just lying around honest
[11:30] <davmor2> oh and it's a contract sim so not like it is out of credit either and if I test it in my mifi device is just connects so definitely and issue.
[11:31] <willcooke> davmor2, in fairness, I dont have a SIM in mine, but the HW should still show up (and indeed does when I run usb_modeswitch manually)
[11:31] <desrt> word up
[11:31] <willcooke> hihi desrt
[11:38] <desrt> morning, willcooke
[11:41] <andyrock> "motning"
[11:41] <andyrock> *morning
[11:42] <andyrock> willcooke: not sure what to do abouth this card: https://trello.com/c/GiWywEtG/1-work-out-what-to-do-about-desktop-files
[11:42] <andyrock> marco's was handling the bamf/unity part
[11:42] <andyrock> *marco was
[11:42]  * andyrock is still sleeping
[11:42] <andyrock> :D
[13:20] <GunnarHj> pitti: Do you have time to look at bug #1510198 (FFe)? There are still a few pending details, but it would be good to have a decision regards the FFe before spending more time on it.
[13:21] <Sweet5hark1> Laney: thanks for the update on the seed. two things though ...
[13:23] <Sweet5hark1> Laney: 1/ libreoffice-style-human and libreoffice-style-breeze are now _both_ on the image, I dunno why -human is still around. at least in the ubuntu-meta_1349.tar.xz, there is no reference to it.
[13:24] <Sweet5hark1> Laney: 2/ the dir in the ubuntu-meta tarball is named ...-1.350 which seems to be off for a 1.349 release
[13:25] <Sweet5hark1> ahh, the answer to 1/ is simple 5.1.1~rc2 is still in -proposed and 5.1.0-0ubuntu1 still deps somehow on -human, I guess.
[13:25]  * Sweet5hark1 checks
[13:26] <Laney> Also the migration happened after today's image
[13:26] <Laney> 2> dpkg-source doesn't care about the first component
[13:27] <Laney> I ran ./update twice and it renamed the directory the second time
[13:27] <Laney> then I manually changed it back
[13:27] <Laney> but that didn't rename it back :-o
[13:27] <Laney> use dget :-)
[13:28] <Sweet5hark1> Laney: I just looked into it on launchpad, so np, just noticed it to be odd.
[13:30] <Laney> nod, good observation!
[13:30] <Sweet5hark1> hmmm, libreoffice-gtk 5.1.0 already recommends -breeze. so I wonder what pulls in -human still.
[13:30] <Laney> the old seed
[13:30] <Sweet5hark1> Laney: ah, doh.
[13:31] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu-touch.xenial/rdepends/libreoffice/libreoffice-style-human
[13:31] <Laney> and we got breeze like this http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu-touch.xenial/rdepends/libreoffice/libreoffice-style-breeze
[13:31] <Laney> s/-touch//
[13:32] <Laney> doesn't matter in that case :P
[13:57] <willcooke> thanks cyphermox :)
[13:57] <cyphermox> good morning
[13:58] <Sweet5hark1> aannd yet another more releasish libreoffice-snap build ... failing after 50 minutes on big bertha ...
[13:59] <willcooke> Sweet5hark1, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coZfzTcv4bA
[14:01] <Sweet5hark1> willcooke: oh thats a lot more cute than the stuff that resulted in that machine having the name bertha (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bertha_%28howitzer%29)
[14:01] <willcooke> :D
[14:44] <mhall119> Laney: so I've been able to generate: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mhall119/AppStreamTest
[14:44] <mhall119> it's a big list, but ranked by popcon installs
[14:46]  * mhall119 is surprised by how many xpm's are still in use
[15:10] <pitti> GunnarHj, Sweet5hark1: from an FF point of view, bug 1510198 seems fine to me
[15:12] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: oh, yeah, that one. Im in a call right now, will look afterwards. IIRC it wasnt hugely problematic when I last looked.
[15:13] <GunnarHj> pitti: Thanks! Can you please make a note about it on the bug report.
[15:15] <GunnarHj> Sweet5hark1: Great if you don't have any big doubts. There are still some pending details to deal with. I'm about to upload a new set of proposals to a PPA.
[15:18] <pitti> GunnarHj: I did already
[15:18] <GunnarHj> pitti: Have seen it now. Thanks again!
[15:39] <Laney> mhall119: cool!
[15:40] <Laney> how are you planning to run this?
[15:46] <mhall119> Laney: I will write a blog post detailing the need and the steps to contribute an icon (including working with upstream), then point to a wiki page with that list for people to choose from
[15:46] <mhall119> Laney: how often does the AppStream data on http://appstream.ubuntu.com/hints/xenial/main/ get updated?
[15:46] <Laney> hourly
[15:46] <mhall119> oh, wow
[15:47] <mhall119> well, I might re-generate the list on a daily basis for a while
[15:47] <mhall119> or just have people manually update it when they submit
[15:47] <Laney> you might want a link to search for already filed bugs
[15:47] <cyphermox> willcooke: I got NM to build (minus a lot of patches), so I'll get back to it in a few hours, see if I can quickly get nm-applet together
[15:47] <mhall119> Launchpad should do that for us
[15:48] <Laney> mmm
[15:48] <mhall119> Laney: since I'm pre-populating the bug title with the "Submit" link, it will match if somebody clicks it a second time
[15:48] <mhall119> that won't stop someone from creating a duplicate, but it should at least warn them
[15:48] <Laney> ok, then people should be told to file a bug when they start work
[15:49] <mhall119> sounds reasonable
[15:49] <mhall119> I can add a "claim" column to the page where people can also indicate that they've started on one
[15:50] <Laney> that or the bug assignee, don't know what is easier
[15:50]  * Laney had already started to finish banshee, better delete that
[15:50] <Laney> oh, wiki is 500ing, cool
[15:50] <willcooke> cyphermox, thanks!!
[15:50] <mhall119> yeah, keep trying, it 500's about half the time
[15:52] <Laney> meh
[15:52] <Laney> it means I can't log in
[15:59] <flocculant> Laney: re g-s, is it expected for it to leave packages behind that need apt-get autoremove ?
[16:02] <Laney> flocculant: I don't know, I'm not really working on the client side
[16:02] <Laney> what does software-center do?
[16:02] <flocculant> leaves configs
[16:03] <flocculant> Laney: best to talk to robert ancell later?
[16:03] <Laney> flocculant: yeah or report a bug
[16:04] <flocculant> Laney: I'll talk to him - don't want to report something not a bug ...
[16:04] <flocculant> if it is then I will :)
[16:05] <Laney> it's easy to close them
[16:07] <flocculant> I guess
[16:07] <Laney> well, up to you, either works
[16:07] <flocculant> :)
[16:11] <seb128> flocculant, g-s is not a system upgrader, why would it clean up things?
[16:12] <Laney> when removing
[16:14] <flocculant> seb128: it installed something - I'd expect it to clean up after itself :)
[16:14] <seb128> it's a complex problem
[16:15] <seb128> you install firefox which brings gtk2
[16:15] <seb128> then you install inkscape
[16:15] <seb128> then you remove firefox
[16:15] <Laney> apt wouldn't mark it as autoremovable then
[16:15] <seb128> gtk2 is not linked to firefox which installed it anymore
[16:15] <Laney> if you had some local gtk2 program though
[16:16] <seb128> right, I'm just saying that autoremove is different from "that comes from that program"
[16:16] <seb128> imho those cleanup jobs are still better handled by the upgrader component
[16:16] <seb128> g-s only knows about desktop components
[16:17] <flocculant> seb128: so not a bug as such?
[16:17] <seb128> well I guess it's valid to discuss
[16:17] <Laney> I think it's debatable
[16:18] <Laney> if one component is doing it then it cannot be more harmful for another one to also
[16:18] <flocculant> seb128 Laney - ok I'll report it then
[16:18] <seb128> thanks
[16:18] <Laney> but not really up to me :)
[16:18] <seb128> do we know how other distros/upstream g-s handle that?
[16:19] <seb128> also you said that software-center was "leaving configs"
[16:19] <seb128> but does it autoremove?
[16:19] <flocculant> seb128: yea - or did with the experiment I did
[16:21] <flocculant> I'll add as much info as I can to bug anyway
[16:21] <seb128> thanks
[16:24]  * flocculant makes alias for ubuntu-bug gnome-software ...
[16:27] <seb128> lol
[16:32] <flocculant> bug 1552792 for better or worse :)
[16:50] <Sweet5hark1> snappy build still running, now at ~9GB ...
[16:53] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: erk
[16:53] <pitti> that's 7 times bigger than an entire ubuntu desktop iso which *contains* LibO
[16:53] <ogra_> whats 9GB compared to the size of the universe though
[16:54] <flocculant> 1/5?
[16:54] <pitti> ogra_: wait until his build finishes :)
[16:54]  * ogra_ is happy that we aim for embedded devices with snappy now ...
[16:54] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: nono no panic, thats the size of the workdir, not the final snap. this is expected to be bigger than the snap will be in the end.
[16:54] <ogra_> the ones with a 5TB disk :P
[16:55] <pitti> ogra_: you don't have a 16TB SD card in your raspi yet?
[16:55] <ogra_> pitti, waiting for mediamarkt to seel them for 9,90
[16:55]  * Sweet5hark1 uses df -h as a progress bar :/
[16:55] <ogra_> *sell
[16:55]  * pitti ^5s ogra_
[16:55] <ogra_> :D
[16:55] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: hah, nice; what's 100%?
[16:56] <pitti> lBuild Architecture: amd64
[16:56] <pitti> Build-Space: 13169060
[16:56] <pitti> Build-Time: 22424
[16:56] <pitti> Distribution: xenial-proposed
[16:56] <pitti> I wonder what unit that is
[16:57] <pitti> I suppose kB or KiB, as it's certainly not B :)
[16:57] <pitti> 13 GB sounds plausible
[16:57] <pitti> man, you and your universe-heating packages :)
[16:57] <Sweet5hark1> yep. but that is without l10n, I assume?
[16:58] <pitti> yeah, I just looked at libo amd64 xenial's build log
[16:58] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: lets just say I am generous with distributing entrophy ....
[16:59] <Sweet5hark1> -h
[17:02] <Sweet5hark1> meh -- build looks odd though: 100% make, no childs and no output :/
[17:10] <attente> seb128: it's ok to install debs in GS using aptdaemon, right?
[17:11] <seb128> attente, yes
[17:11] <seb128> isn't that what we use as a backend atm?
[17:11] <attente> seb128: i wasn't sure because i didn't see aptdaemon in the GS depends
[17:14] <attente> seb128: it doesn't look like it from what i can tell
[17:14] <seb128> attente, it should probably be a depends, debian/patches/apt-plugin.patch uses it
[17:15] <seb128> aptd_transaction()
[17:15] <seb128> +	result = g_dbus_connection_call_sync (conn,
[17:15] <seb128> +					      "org.debian.apt",
[17:15] <seb128> +					      "/org/debian/apt",
[17:15] <attente> hrm... interesting. i'm not sure which branch that comes from
[17:15] <seb128> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/log/?h=wip/rancell/apt
[17:15] <seb128> I would say
[17:15] <attente> ah. ok. i didn't see that
[17:15] <attente> thanks
[17:15] <seb128> yw
[18:05] <flocculant> seb128: sorry - got waylaid - gs/synaptic screeny added now
[18:08] <seb128> flocculant, thanks
[18:31]  * Laney woofs goodnight
[18:33] <seb128> woot, new gst landing
[18:33] <seb128> Laney, enjoy your evening!
[18:33] <Laney> stir fry night
[18:33] <Laney> gimme a helllllllllll yeah
[18:33] <Laney> you too! bye!
[18:39] <seb128> stir fry, yummy! :-)
[18:39]  * seb128 goes for dinner as well
[18:51] <flocculant> seb128: added a new screeny after starting a vm and installing the same package in synaptic and gnome software at the same time
[18:51] <seb128> flocculant, thanks
[18:52] <flocculant> seb128: sorry if I'm getting boring about this stuff - but I'm trying to test it to distraction for xubuntu ;)
[18:52] <seb128> flocculant, no, don't worry, it's useful feedback, please keep playing with it and reporting issues!
[18:53] <flocculant> :)
[18:53] <flocculant> I shall ofc
[19:29] <ximion> Laney: when working on the new data generator, I realized that some parts of the current one are a bit more complex than they need to be...
[19:29] <ximion> unfortunately the icon finder can't be simplified further :(
[19:29]  * ximion will fetch food, then review all outstanding PRs
[20:44] <robert_ancell> attente, I've removed all the non-review related changes in wip/rancell/reviews and put them in wip/ubuntu-changes
[20:45] <attente> robert_ancell: ok, thanks. sorry i wasn't sure if you wanted me to force push those removals or not...
[20:45] <robert_ancell> git revert it fine
[20:47] <attente> robert_ancell: i'm trying to get the deb sideloading to work, but for whatever reason GS refreshes to an empty page after installation
[20:47] <robert_ancell> attente, we don't currently reload the apt/dpkg information - could that be the issue?
[20:47] <attente> wondering if you have any ideas why it might be doing that...
[20:49] <attente> robert_ancell: it could be, there might be some disparity between the gsapp we generate for the deb and what's added to the db
[20:50] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey
[20:50] <robert_ancell> seb128, hello
[20:51] <seb128> robert_ancell, attente, should we make g-s refresh its index on start?
[20:51] <robert_ancell> seb128, it loads the index on start, but it never reloads it. I was going to add a file watch on the files and reload when they change
[20:51] <attente> seb128: i guess we have to refresh the index after the deb is installed
[20:52] <robert_ancell> G-S asks for new information after an install. I originally had it loading the index every time, but that seems inefficient
[20:52] <seb128> robert_ancell, does it? it doesn't indicate it's doing so and it's not obvious...
[20:53] <robert_ancell> seb128, after you install an app, G-S asks for the list of installed apps
[20:53] <seb128> g-s seems to lack feedback on when it's doing things/waiting
[20:53] <seb128> same if the apt lock is taken by another process
[20:54] <seb128> it acts like if it was doing work
[20:54] <robert_ancell> seb128, there is an issue with the theming where the loading bar is not shown
[20:56] <seb128> yeah, I saw that one. but even if the bar was loading, if something else is having a lock on apt you can wait for ever
[20:56] <robert_ancell> seb128, yes, but there's nothing we can really do about that...
[20:56] <robert_ancell> That's just apt being a bit shitty
[20:58] <seb128> software-center/update-manager handle that better, they tell you they are waiting because something has a lock on the db
[20:59] <seb128> so it's doable
[20:59] <seb128> but it might be hackish, no idea
[20:59] <attente> how does s-c detect the lock?
[20:59] <robert_ancell> attente, aptd gives status information, it's probably in there
[21:00] <robert_ancell> seb128, file a bug for a label as to why it's waiting!
[21:00] <attente> via the dbus interface?
[21:00] <robert_ancell> attente, yeah
[21:00] <seb128> I should do that ;-)
[21:00] <robert_ancell> attente, see transaction_property_changed
[21:00] <robert_ancell> attente, see transaction_property_changed_cb rather
[21:01] <robert_ancell> attente, your new gs_plugin_filename_to_app doesn't check if the number of tokens from the strsplit is what you expect...
[21:02] <robert_ancell> and your g_spawn_sync can return FALSE but doesn't set error...
[21:03] <attente> robert_ancell: yeah, i got a bit sidetracked with getting the app page to refresh properly..
[21:03] <attente> thanks for catching those
[21:05] <robert_ancell> desrt, has anyone ever proposed a g_strv_new, i.e. gchar **argv = g_strv_new ("foo", "--bar", "3", NULL);
[21:06] <robert_ancell> I feel like I'm writing that sort of code all the time
[21:06] <desrt> a common trick is to use split
[21:06] <robert_ancell> desrt, yeah, but that doesn't work well if the contents are variables
[21:07] <desrt> indeed
[21:07] <robert_ancell> ie..  gchar **argv = g_strv_new ("foo", "--bar", some_user_value, NULL)
[21:07] <desrt> why aren't you using gsubprocess?  :)
[21:07] <robert_ancell> desrt, is it worth proposing or is it the dreaded glib feature creep?
[21:07] <robert_ancell> I'm super glad g_strv_contains exists now
[21:08] <robert_ancell> Was sick of writing that over and over...
[21:08] <desrt> ya.. me too
[21:08] <seb128> robert_ancell, is bug #1552074 one of the issues you fixed? the git commit have no bug reference/bt so not easy to say
[21:08] <robert_ancell> seb128, I'm looking at that now, not fixed AFAIK
[21:08] <seb128> k
[21:08] <desrt> seriously, though
[21:08] <desrt> GSubprocess?
[21:09] <robert_ancell> desrt, sure, in that case, but there are others.
[21:09] <robert_ancell> People end up using GPtrArray instead, which is a bit heavy
[21:10] <desrt> or strv = g_new(char*, 4); strv[0] = ...; etc.
[21:10] <desrt> which is kinda reasonable imho
[21:10] <robert_ancell> yes
[21:10] <desrt> but g_strv_new() is also kinda reasonable
[21:10] <robert_ancell> well, I'd say it's leess than ideal
[21:10] <desrt> i'd be happy to review a patch
[21:10] <robert_ancell> ok
[21:10] <desrt> but it's too late for this cycle
[21:10] <robert_ancell> that's fine
[21:11] <robert_ancell> it's not urgent, but it makes GLib easier to use
[21:11] <desrt> imho it's not really great for this case
[21:11] <desrt> since it will necessarily dup the input strings
[21:11] <desrt> but meh
[21:11] <desrt> hint: try to copy the valist to avoid doing multiple allocations
[21:11] <desrt> ie: va_copy
[21:13] <desrt> i guess you could do some speculation and alloca() as well
[21:13] <seb128> robert_ancell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1552918 seems to be something quite some users hit
[21:13] <desrt> but in terms of how it will end up looking in assembly, the copy is definitely cleanest
[21:15] <desrt> (and just to avoid roundtrips, don't forget): docs section addition, sentinal attribute
[21:15] <desrt> you'll probably also get tripped up on the missing version macros.  feel free to submit a patch to add those =)
[21:16] <robert_ancell> desrt, missing version macros?
[21:16] <robert_ancell> i.e. defines for the latest version?
[21:17] <desrt> yes
[21:17] <desrt> since you're writing the patch against the not-yet-existent series-to-come...
[21:22] <attente> is that the LIM/headerbar bug?
[21:35] <ximion> seb128: btw, I found out why PK was percieved as slow: When it was tested initially, Ubuntu didn't have AppStream metadata, and in that case GS emits FindFiles() calls to PK, which cause a search for which pkg provides a specific filename - and those searches are super slow, even when using APT directly.
[21:36] <ximion> with AppStream metadata present, GS has all the package information and only rarely needs to resolve a filename to a package. For packages, it will only emit a Resolve() call, and resolve calls are really cheap
[21:39] <seb128> ximion, hey, k, so maybe that's a non issue then
[21:39] <ximion> seb128: I ran into this myself yesterday on a Debian machine which had broken metadata
[21:39] <ximion> was an enlightening experience on that matter
[21:44] <seb128> ximion, what's the status of the appstream-glib issue/screenshots? seems like the bug is without activity since december :-/
[21:44] <ximion> seb128: hughsie won't implement it, so someone else would need to do it
[21:45] <seb128> what's the difference which makes it work on fedora?
[21:45] <ximion> I wanted to quickly submit a match, but making this work requires passing around the media_baseurl parameter down to the parsing functions, which is a more invasive change
[21:45] <ximion> so I wanted to have hughsie take a look at it first
[21:46] <ximion> seb128: fedora is using the XML data, which doesn't know MediaBaseUrl and just duplicated the full url for every screenshot
[21:47] <ximion> libappstream implements the DEP-11 spec correctly, so the only SC which is currently affected by this bug is GNOME Software (and potentially other stuff using libappstream-glib, but the only bug report I got was from GS so far)
[21:49] <ximion> seb128: btw, technically implementing MediaBaseUrl isn't hard
[21:49] <ximion> the "Origin" field in AppStream metadata works the same way
[21:50] <seb128> I don't understand those details enough to get a clear idea of what's going on exactly
[21:50] <seb128> but we need to get that fixed this cycle one way or another
[21:50] <seb128> what do you recommend doing?
[21:51] <seb128> is that something robert_ancell_ or attente or Laney are looking at?
[21:51] <robert_ancell_> seb128, I'm aware of it, was hoping Laney was looking at it
[21:51] <ximion> seb128: definitely fix appstream-glib to follow the spec ;-)
[21:52] <seb128> that works if something is assigned/going to do it
[21:52] <robert_ancell_> ximion, is there a bug with the information? We can carry a patch in Ubuntu if necessary
[21:52] <seb128> which doesn't seem the case atm
[21:52] <ximion> theoretically we could make the generator thow out some different version of the data, but that would have some annoying issues on the server side, e.g. we couldn't easily change the url of the screenshots and icons anymore
[21:52] <seb128> could we just do whatever fedora is doing?
[21:52]  * ximion doesn't like that
[21:53] <ximion> robert_ancell_: no, the data is fine - just https://github.com/hughsie/appstream-glib/issues/70 needs to be fixed
[21:54] <robert_ancell_> ximion, ok, so it just needs someone to write the patch and convince hugshie this is the right thing to do?
[21:55] <ximion> spec here: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/docs/sect-AppStream-DEP11.html#spec-dep11-general
[21:55] <ximion> robert_ancell_: jup - while convincing hughsie would not be hard :)
[21:55] <ximion> (I hope ^^)
[21:55] <robert_ancell_> ximion, oh regarding reviews in appstream. That doesn't make sense to me either - they seem too dynamic to be mixed in..
[21:55] <robert_ancell_> And there could be many thousands of reviews
[21:56] <ximion> robert_ancell_: jup, I don't want that - but specifying the protocol to get them in AppStream is something I would like
[21:56] <ximion> jup, I am not sure if I misunderstood hughsie there
[21:56] <robert_ancell_> ximion, that makes sense I guess
[21:57] <ximion> we already have services in the spec: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/docs/chap-AppStream-Services.html
[21:57] <ximion> because before hughsie introduced metainfo / appdata files, it was thought that every distro would simply implement the Debian screenshot server API
[21:57] <ximion> and OpenSUSE even did that :)
[21:58] <ximion> now, the screenshot service is only a fallback
[22:00] <ximion> robert_ancell_: on the generator side, having MediaBaseUrl allows us to store the pre-generated metadata in a database and easily change the location of the screenshots server without regenerating all metadata or parsing all YAML and string-replacing the old url with the new one when altering it
[22:01] <robert_ancell_> yeah, that makes sense if you want to mirror it I guess?
[22:01] <ximion> also, this could later be used by distributions to have multiple mirrors for screenshots, or add a mirror pattern
[22:02] <ximion> some people expressed interest in this, because not everyone has a powerful server or redirect service running for this
[22:02] <ximion> jup, exactly
[22:03] <robert_ancell_> desrt, could you have a quick look at https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/23ba6db9a4c30881ade44cef107a6dd5d76a41ef. Essentially, inside GApplication a GTK settings callback is trying to access app_menu_section, which is NULL even though it shoul be defined for the lifetime of the application.
[22:04] <robert_ancell_> Was wondering if perhaps the callback has been called after dispose() somehow
[22:04] <robert_ancell_> GtkApplication rather
[22:11] <desrt> sounds likely
[22:22] <desrt> robert_ancell_: the app_menu_section here is an attribute of the window itself -- not the app
[22:23] <desrt> it is created in _init() of the window and freed in dispose
[22:23] <robert_ancell_> aha
[22:23] <desrt> so this looks like someone is trying to realize a window after it has already been disposed
[22:24] <desrt> via gtk_widget_show
[22:25] <desrt> bug is in whatever defines gs_application_activate() i'd say
[22:26] <desrt> i'm guessing it holds a ref on the window so that it can show it again, but it doesn't prevent the window from being destroyed on delete


[21:30]  * tsimonq2 sees email
[21:30] <pleia2> time to write summaries ;)
[21:31] <tsimonq2> But I have to get ready for work... :/
[21:31] <pleia2> haha, well, summary writing time is all weekend
[21:31] <tsimonq2> Yup. :)
[21:31]  * pleia2 goes to get some sleep, UbuCon EU tomorrow!


[00:04] <dwf_starband> no toggle bit mask found. But I know for sure that RC6 has a toggle bit!
[00:04] <dwf_starband> does that mean that my try at recordig the remote failed?
[00:08] <dwf_starband> Daviey?
[00:22] <dwf_starband> do the mceusb receivers work with usb1.1?
[00:23] <dwf_starband> i added my dishnetwork configuration to the bottom of the lircd.conf just like I have on my backend and my dishnetwork remote doesnt even work, so I dont think its a problem with the right config problem
[00:23] <dwf_starband> thats what makes me wonder If its something with the hardware
[00:31] <solarbaby> Daviey: I am filling my database now with schedules direct
[00:32] <solarbaby> dwf_starband: are you trying to get your USBUIRT to control your DishNetwork tuner?
[00:32] <dwf_starband> no i already have everything setup on my backend
[00:32] <dwf_starband> im just trying to get my frontend working,
[00:32] <solarbaby> oh alright.. I wrote a howto for that a little while back.. its a great little guide
[00:33] <dwf_starband> i have a desktop/backend/frontend working (except fot the ocasional pink screen of death)
[00:33] <solarbaby> so is your frontend not handshaking with your database?
[00:33] <dwf_starband> my frontend works fine aswell, im just trying to get the remote to work with it
[00:33] <solarbaby> oh i see
[00:34] <solarbaby> I haven't configured multiple IR devices in Lirc yet..  I dont think its very hard though
[00:34] <solarbaby> I will be doing that at some point though
[00:39] <solarbaby> well I seem to have the same problem with schedules direct..  Hmmm..  not a big suprise but doubly upsetting
[00:53] <hendrixski> hey, since mythtv uses ffmpeg + mods as its internal media player
[00:54] <hendrixski> does it get packaged separately?
[00:55] <hendrixski> or are the ffmpeg libraries just a part of libmyth?
[01:02] <directhex> it's in mythtv/libs/libavcodec in the source tree, but it's all compiled into libmythavcodec
[01:05] <hendrixski> directhex, ah, K.  so it's all in the libmyth package in ubuntu... and not from the ffmpeg package
[01:05] <directhex> well, no, since mythtv can't work without it, and the mythtv packages don't Depends: on ffmpeg
[01:06] <hendrixski> directhex, I checked the wiki to make sure that I wasn't being a dingus, and nowhere in there is there any reference about what the internal player is made of
[01:07] <directhex> the internal player is the same player as myth uses for recordings. so the question is "what does mythtv use for its AV processing & displaying code", not anything specific to the internal player
[01:07]  * hendrixski doesn't follow
[01:10] <directhex> it's not something that even matters unless you're a developer, and it's not something specific to the "internal player" - libavcodec is used in several places
[01:13] <hendrixski> directhex, well, like I said, I'm trying to get enough of an understanding of mythtv so that I can contribute stuff back to it in a developers capacity
[01:14] <hendrixski> and I keep hearing "no hendrixski you're retarded, shut up and go read the wiki, don't ask us" so I go read the wiki, and of course it's not there
[01:14] <hendrixski> is there a better resource for developers to get started other than the wiki?
[01:18] <directhex> typically? the source code. it's not enormously complex in any of the sections you'd want to go near
[01:19] <directhex> christ, it's years since i've done any serious c++, hate the language generally, but i've hacked on the myth source "blind" and had changes go upstream
[01:21] <solarbaby> Daviey: If I had to guess, the zap2it xml scraper currupted my old database somehow
[01:21] <solarbaby> Daviey: its all working now..  too bad I had to delete my old database though..  that can drive a man to drink!
[01:21] <directhex> solarbaby, well, if you must use the scraper to save $20
[01:22] <solarbaby> no I dont care about saving $20 at all
[01:22] <solarbaby> I just dont have access to my paypal account while im out of state
[01:22] <solarbaby> If I could mail cash to schedules direct i'd do it right now..  instead I just signed up for another demo account until I can get some money in my paypal
[01:23] <hendrixski> lol..  it's not complex per se it's just illegible.  there's maybe 3 classes total that have any comments at all.
[01:25] <hendrixski> probably doesn't help that this is my first open source project I'm trying to get into... it probably gets easier as time goes on.
[01:26] <directhex> some seactions are more heavyweight than others
[01:26] <directhex> and myth is rather large
[01:27] <hendrixski> yeah, it's huge.
[01:28] <hendrixski> I just rapped my head around the gContext thing last week... which made it feel a little more manageable than it did before I knew how that worked
[01:31] <solarbaby> SD has much better performance.. more listing info]
[01:31] <solarbaby> and TVwish works with it
[01:41] <zeke> there a channel for knoppmyth?
[01:44] <zeke> guess not...
[01:47] <solarbaby> only problem I have now is that mythweb can't access my new database
[01:49] <zeke> I try to do an aptitude dist-upgrade and it tells me I have lots of broken packages and unmet dependencies
[01:49] <zeke> this on knoppmyth...can't find a channel for that
[01:49] <tgm4883_laptop> zeke, use mythbuntu :)
[01:50] <zeke> i.e. linux mce?
[01:50] <tgm4883_laptop> Mythbuntu
[01:51] <zeke> basically the same thing isn't it?  both use ubuntu kernel as backend
[01:51] <zeke> or am I sorely mistaken?
[01:52] <tgm4883_laptop> so when i say mythbuntu, you hear linuxmce?
[01:52] <zeke> I'm just not sure of the difference
[01:52] <zeke> not trying to gainsay your advice
[01:54] <tgm4883_laptop> i dont know what linuxmce is based on
[01:54] <zeke> it said ubuntu kernel
[01:54] <tgm4883_laptop> i do know that it is a huge ripoff of plutohome
[01:55] <tgm4883_laptop> huge
[01:55] <zeke> heh
[01:55] <tgm4883_laptop> and i wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole
[01:55] <foxbuntu> LinuxMCE is more based on a morphed version of Pluto and MythTV
[01:55] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxmce is a black mark on the existance of linux
[01:55] <tgm4883_laptop> imho
[01:55] <zeke> hmmm
[01:55] <tgm4883_laptop> almost as much as plutohome
[01:56] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm not sure which company makes me feel dirtier
[01:56] <foxbuntu> linuxmce is a project that will die at some point mearly because they burned the bridges back to the community
[01:56] <tgm4883_laptop> probably
[01:56] <zeke> pluto home freeware?
[01:56] <tgm4883_laptop> bunch of rip off artists
[01:56] <tgm4883_laptop> zeke, yes
[01:57] <zeke> hmmm...then I guess it would be difficult to tell which one makes you feel dirtier
[01:57]  * foxbuntu stabs linuxmce with a rusty spoon
[01:57] <tgm4883_laptop> no foxbuntu
[01:57] <tgm4883_laptop> $poke linuxmce
[01:58] <foxbuntu> haha
[01:58] <tgm4883_laptop> i swear mythbot never works for me :(
[01:58] <tgm4883_laptop> $guide
[01:58] <tgm4883_laptop> $mythbot
[01:58] <foxbuntu> $poke tgm4883_laptop
[01:58] <rooaus> The linuxmce guy used to work for pluto I think.
[01:58] <foxbuntu> anywho...
[01:58] <zeke> gui install with mythbuntu?  never had much luck with text installs
[01:58] <tgm4883_laptop> i feel better now
[01:58] <tgm4883_laptop> yes zeke
[01:59] <zeke> tried it with freeBSD and got no desktop environment afterwards
[01:59] <foxbuntu> zeke, we have the cleanest and easiest install between then MythTV Derivitives
[01:59] <zeke> I'm listening
[01:00] <foxbuntu> zeke, our install is bascailly a Ubuntu LiveCD that asks a few extra questions to setup MythTV
[01:00] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[01:01] <foxbuntu> troy_s, you there?
[01:01] <zeke> 10' display?
[01:01] <foxbuntu> what?
[01:01] <zeke> I'm a bit hard of seeing it as it from here with knoppmyth
[01:02] <foxbuntu> what?
[01:03] <zeke> 10' (ten foot display) made for navigating easier from your couch which is, on average, about ten feet from the couch
[01:03] <zeke> talking about OSD
[01:03] <foxbuntu> ah
[01:03] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Go
[01:04] <foxbuntu> troy_s, we need to find a time to have a devel meeting about artwork
[01:04] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Ok.  Tonite?
[01:04] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Who is involved etc...
[01:04] <foxbuntu> you and the rest of the team
[01:04] <foxbuntu> not tonight
[01:04] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Any issues at hand?
[01:05] <foxbuntu> but upcoming
[01:05] <zeke> and by "from the couch" I mean "from the tv"
[01:05] <zeke> or I could just get glasses
[01:05] <foxbuntu> troy_s, pm
[01:06] <zeke> flux, gnome, kde?
[01:07] <tgm4883_laptop> xfce
[01:07] <zeke> ah
[01:10] <zeke> can I do an dual install with knoppmyth to try it out?
[01:10] <tgm4883_laptop> you should be able to just fine
[01:13] <zeke> I just wish I had usb 2.0 on this now...not exactly sure how to burn files to dvd
[01:16] <zeke> schedules direct support?
[01:16] <tgm4883_laptop> OOB
[01:16] <zeke> N?
[01:17] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[01:17] <zeke> lol
[01:17] <zeke> but of course
[01:17] <tgm4883_laptop> OOB = Out Of Box
[01:17] <zeke> oh
[01:18] <zeke> so basically everything knoppmyth is only better/easier to use?
[01:24] <zeke> iyho
[01:26] <tgm4883_laptop> what?
[01:27] <tgm4883_laptop> kinda
[01:39] <MythbuntuGuest41> I would like some assistance getting a mythbuntu connected to the backend on a frontend & backend combined install.
[01:44] <fg_> Hello! is someone there?
[01:45] <toorima> $hello
[01:45] <fg_> I've installed MythBuntu 7.10 on my pc and need some help to tune it up.
[01:47] <toorima> say what you need help with and maybe someone can help
[01:48] <fg_> First, no sound comes out. My motherboard has an Intel hda sound controller. Driver software seems well choosen in the settings manager, but I cannot find sound controller software.
[01:49] <toorima> search ubuntuforums.org for your motherboard and sound but i think it is you have to load a module to get it to work
[01:51] <tgm4883_laptop> you can select which audio device it uses
[01:54] <MythbuntuGuest41> I can't connect to the backend from a local frontend.  I've read the forums and am still unable to connect.
[01:56] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest41, what did you set the ip addresss to?
[01:56] <MythbuntuGuest41> localhost
[01:56] <MythbuntuGuest41> in the frontend
[01:57] <toorima> MythbuntuGuest41: u need to set up the backend with its real ip and frontend to that ip
[01:57] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[01:57] <tgm4883_laptop> it should work either way
[01:57] <tgm4883_laptop> actually
[01:57] <tgm4883_laptop> it might not work with localhost, i've never tried
[01:58] <tgm4883_laptop> <IP_ADDRESS> would work though
[01:58] <toorima> oh local frontend
[01:58] <toorima> my misstake
[01:58] <tgm4883_laptop> can you start mythfrontend from the command line and look for errors
[01:58] <fg_> "mythbuntu alsa mixer" makes it.
[01:58] <MythbuntuGuest41> on the backend I have the real ip because I am going to use a remote frontend too.  let me verify the frontend ip.
[01:59] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest41, then activate the mysql service and use the real backend ip address
[03:21] <MythbuntuGuest41> I have setup mythbuntu on a frontend & backend with localhost for the backend and frontend and I cannot connect to the backend.
[03:21] <MitoTranin> well... yeah, of course...
[03:21] <MitoTranin> that's because you're telling the frontend to use itself as a backend, and that's not what you need to do
[03:25] <MythbuntuGuest41> This is a frontend and backend on the same machine.
[03:26] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest41, yes, you still need to use at least <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:26] <tgm4883_laptop> AFAIK
[03:26] <MitoTranin> ah, well that makes it a little better, but still... it's always best to use your real IP
[03:26] <MitoTranin> and even if you don't, you want to use the localhost numbers, not name
[03:26] <MitoTranin> the numbers are what tgm4883_laptop just mentioned, <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:26] <MitoTranin> btw: hi tgm4883_ :)
[03:27] <tgm4883_laptop> hi
[03:27] <MythbuntuGuest41> I had it setup with localhost numbers.
[03:27] <tgm4883_laptop> did you ever get that serial IR receiver working?
[03:27] <MitoTranin> haven't seen superm1 yet
[03:28] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest41, did you start the frontend from the command line and look for errors?
[03:28] <MitoTranin> and I really don't want to go screwing around with my install now that it's working 100% other than that
[03:28] <MitoTranin> I might setup a remote frontend to screw around with it there though
[03:29] <MythbuntuGuest41> I get errors saying it can't connect and it has timed out.
[03:30] <tgm4883_laptop> what ip address did you use?
[03:30] <tgm4883_laptop> in the backend setup
[03:30] <MitoTranin> are you sure the mythbackend is running properly?
[03:31] <MythbuntuGuest41> <IP_ADDRESS>, before that i was trying it's actual ip address.
[03:32] <tgm4883_laptop> can you do
[03:32] <MythbuntuGuest41> The backend seems to be running fine.  I can get into mysql command prompt and I've done the mythconverg.
[03:32] <tgm4883_laptop> /etc/init.d/mythbackend start
[03:32] <tgm4883_laptop> youve done what mythconverg?
[03:33] <MitoTranin> lol
[03:33] <MitoTranin> if you're running mythbuntu, you shouldn't have had to do ANYTHING with the command line, mysql, or mythconverg in order to get the system working
[03:34] <MitoTranin> if you've messed around with that stuff, you really need to mention what you did and why so that we know how to proceed, because otherwise there's no telling what type of condition your system is in
[03:34] <MythbuntuGuest41> I didn't at all until I tried to trouble shoot my frontend connection problems.
[03:35] <MitoTranin> so what did you do then?
[03:36] <MythbuntuGuest41> I get this when I restart "* Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables."
[03:37] <MitoTranin> that's fine and normal
[03:38] <MitoTranin> that just means it's *looking* for such things... it does not mean that it is finding such things
[03:42] <tgm4883_laptop> how does your backend get it's IP address
[03:43] <MythbuntuGuest41> I'm trying localhost, isolated backend & frontend only.
[03:44] <tgm4883_laptop> how does your backend get it's IP address
[04:00] <tgm4883_laptop> how does your backend get it's IP address
[04:02] <MythbuntuGuest86> I don't think that applies because I'm trying to get a combined frontend & backend to work.
[04:04] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest86, open up MCC
[04:04] <tgm4883_laptop> and test your connection to mysql
[04:10] <MythbuntuGuest86> k. I'll give that a try.
[04:11] <MitoTranin> MythbuntuGuest86: your IP always applies, regardless of how many systems you are using... and how your system obtains its IP applies as well...
[04:20] <MythbuntuGuest86> I can't test the mysql connection from the MCC, it's grayed out and I can't click the test button.
[04:20] <tgm4883_laptop> theres your problem
[04:20] <tgm4883_laptop> what kind of install did you do?
[04:23] <MythbuntuGuest86> mythbuntu install on top of exising Ubuntu Gutsy desktop.
[04:23] <tgm4883_laptop> how did you install it?
[04:23] <tgm4883_laptop> any guides?
[04:24] <MythbuntuGuest86> Gutsy or Mythbuntu/
[04:24] <MythbuntuGuest86> ?
[04:24] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbuntu
[04:27] <MythbuntuGuest86> I used the mythbuntu.org guide.
[04:28] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[04:28] <tgm4883_laptop> in MCC
[04:28] <tgm4883_laptop> what system roles are selected?
[04:29] <MythbuntuGuest86> backend Primary backend and frontend.
[04:30] <tgm4883_laptop> open up synaptic and tell me if mysql-server is installed
[04:30] <MythbuntuGuest86> k. standby.
[04:31] <MythbuntuGuest86> Yes it is.
[04:31] <tgm4883_laptop> what about mythtv-database?
[04:32] <MythbuntuGuest86> yes that is too.
[04:34] <MitoTranin> quick question here... what is your intent of this machine?
[04:34] <MitoTranin> do you actually intend to use it as a workstation?
[04:34] <MitoTranin> or is it's only function to be a mythtv system?
[04:34] <MythbuntuGuest86> master backend with frontend.
[04:34] <MitoTranin> that's not the answer to my question
[04:35] <MitoTranin> do you intend to use this computer as a workstation, or for anything else other than things dealing with MythTV?
[04:35] <MythbuntuGuest86> mythtv system and file server.
[04:36] <MythbuntuGuest86> not as a primary workstation.
[04:36] <MitoTranin> ok... then tgm4883_laptop, feel free to back me up, or give other advice here... but MythbuntuGuest86, I hugely strongly suggest that you start from a clean slate and wipe/reinstall the system from the latest mythbuntu cd
[04:37] <tgm4883_laptop> MitoTranin, +1
[04:37] <MitoTranin> I can promise with almost 100% surity, that your problems will be solved
[04:37] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[04:37] <tgm4883_laptop> I dont know what you did to your system
[04:37] <tgm4883_laptop> but it is fscked up
[04:38] <MitoTranin> AND, you will have better system performance, because you will be using xfce instead of gnome, AND you will have full integration, AND you will still have the ability to run the system as a file server
[04:38] <MitoTranin> there are zero downsides, and a ton of benefits to you reinstalling right now
[04:40] <MythbuntuGuest86> I'll give it a try.  Thanks for the advice.  It's late here in Michigan so I'm going to have to try this tommorw, thanks again.
[04:42] <MitoTranin> why did he feel the need to mention his state?
[04:43] <MitoTranin> I'm in the same time-zone and don't feel the need for that :)
[04:43]  * tgm4883_laptop shrugs
[04:43] <MitoTranin> so tgm4883_laptop any ideas on my remote?
[04:43] <MitoTranin> :)
[04:44] <tgm4883_laptop> the serial receiver?
[04:44] <MitoTranin> yeah
[04:44] <tgm4883_laptop> nope
[04:44] <tgm4883_laptop> I think you will be ok with the guide
[04:45] <MitoTranin> hey, wasn't that meeting the other day?
[04:45] <MitoTranin> how'd it go?
[04:45] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[04:45] <tgm4883_laptop> went good
[04:45] <MitoTranin> I was going to remind my cousin about that
[04:45] <MitoTranin> I doubt he remembered to go though
[04:46] <tgm4883_laptop> who?
[04:46] <MitoTranin> my cousin was going to come to it, he does quite a bit of programing
[04:46] <MitoTranin> and loves mythbuntu after I showed it to him :)
[04:46] <MitoTranin> he's been a mythtv fiend for a while... actually the person who got me into it
[04:46] <MitoTranin> he would have gone by Tim somehting
[04:47]  * tgm4883_laptop shrugs
[05:17] <tgm4883_laptop> MitoTranin, how is your mirror doing?
[05:19] <MitoTranin> tgm4883_laptop: syncing every night...
[05:19] <tgm4883_laptop> how much bandwidth used?
[05:19] <MitoTranin> has had over 100gb usage since the release
[05:19] <MitoTranin> per day that is
[05:19] <MythbuntuGuest39> is there a reason the i386 7.01 mythbuntu install disk seg faults on start up on an XP1800+ on the ALiMaGIK chipset?
[05:19] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[05:20] <MythbuntuGuest39> I just can't figure out what's causing it
[05:22] <MythbuntuGuest39> it's a problem with ubuntu Feisty (at least) because feisty does the same thing
[05:23] <tgm4883_laptop> does the gutsy install cd work?
[05:23] <MythbuntuGuest39> I'm burning it right now
[05:23] <tgm4883_laptop> the live cd that is
[05:23] <MythbuntuGuest39> I'll tell you in about 5 min
[05:25] <MythbuntuGuest39> ahhh... you know what...
[05:25] <MythbuntuGuest39> it may be a bad ribbon cable
[05:26] <MythbuntuGuest39> all sorts of weird things are happening with the drive now
[05:26] <MythbuntuGuest39> or a bad IDE channel (hopefully not)
[05:35] <MythbuntuGuest39> nope... the IDE channels and cables are actually good
[05:35] <MythbuntuGuest39> hmm
[05:36] <MythbuntuGuest39> both the i386 gutsy and feisty installs are seg faulting
[05:36] <tgm4883_laptop> bad drive?
[05:36] <tgm4883_laptop> bad memory?
[05:36] <MythbuntuGuest39> I'll run a memtest
[05:36] <MythbuntuGuest39> and a drive test
[05:39] <MythbuntuGuest39> and actually, I may be wrong about the IDE channel / cable... it just ran stably for slightly longer
[05:44] <MythbuntuGuest39> well, good call on the memory
[05:44] <MythbuntuGuest39> one of my older sticks went bad
[05:45] <MitoTranin> tgm4883_laptop: I guess I was wrong... I hadn't checked my BW yesterday or today, the downloads have gone down
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> MitoTranin, how much?
[05:45] <MitoTranin> 121gb 1st day, 219gb 2nd day, 105gb 3rd day, 70gb 4th, 58gb 5th
[05:45] <MythbuntuGuest39> will a back/frontend run decently with only 512MB ram?
[05:45] <MitoTranin> but 58gb is still higher for a single day than it ever saw before release
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> my calculations are they we are doing about 450GB per day
[05:45] <MitoTranin> highest then was 52
[05:46] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest39, that should be fine
[05:46] <MitoTranin> I only run 512
[05:46] <MythbuntuGuest39> cool, well hopefully everything gets up and running now
[05:58] <MythbuntuGuest39> what does the message "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" mean when you're trying to start up
[06:05] <MythbuntuGuest39> *note that I don't have a SATA drive*
[06:06] <MythbuntuGuest39> shoot... I just read how difficult this problem may be on the forums
[06:07] <MythbuntuGuest39> boohiss
[07:18] <solarbaby> tgm4883_laptop: I love MythTV
[07:19] <solarbaby> tgm4883_laptop: its a love hate relationship.. very pationate
[07:52] <solarbaby> tgm4883_laptop: you were right scrapers are evil things
[13:10] <therethinker> $test
[14:16]  * Tari waves
[14:17] <Tari> my frontend appears to have forgotten the database password while I was gone for a couple days
[14:17] <Tari> (I'm guessing it auto-updated to 7.10 final)
[14:17] <Tari> anyone know how I can recover that pass?
[14:18] <MitoTranin> it should be in /etc/mysql/mysql.txt if I remember correctly
[14:19] <Tari> no such file or directory
[14:20] <MitoTranin> sorry, /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[14:20] <Tari> good, that works
[14:23] <Tari> ..or not
[14:23] <Tari> either that's not the real pass, or there's something else wrong
[14:24] <Tari> the frontend starts, prompts for language and db info, and repeats when I enter that info
[14:27] <Tari> ah, here's the underlying error
[14:27] <Tari> the db server can't start, since the partition containing /var/lib/mysql is full
[14:28] <MitoTranin> ah, yeah, that would do it
[14:33] <Tari> it's also a bit of a problem for me
[14:34] <Tari> since the root parition is 3-4 gigs, I think
[14:34] <Tari> and /myth (recordings and all that) is another drive, ~40 gigs
[14:38] <Tari> hmm..
[14:38] <Tari> would it be safe to delete the contents of /var/log?
[14:40] <therethinker> $mythbot
[14:47]  * Tari wanders off to find another hard drive for lvm
[15:34] <marcel> Anyone tried the Silverstone LC10 casing + iMon remote that comes with it ? Should it work "out of the box" with mythbuntu ?
[15:58] <zagibu> i have a rather noobish question: why is my new TV equipped with a 1366x768 panel, when 720p is actually 1280x720?
[16:00] <Tari> overscan?
[16:01] <zagibu> on a digital panel?
[16:01] <popey> yes
[16:01] <popey> most TVs do that
[16:01] <zagibu> what for?
[16:02] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overscan
[16:03] <zagibu> hmmm, ok, thanks...so what resolution should i use on my mythbox?
[16:05] <zagibu> you know, I connected it to the tv using a DVI to HDMI cable
[16:06] <zagibu> but if I let it detect the screen automatically, it only presents me the modes 480p and 1080i
[16:07] <zagibu> and both don't fit on the screen (image is cropped at all sides)
[16:19] <tafkaz> hm...mythbuntu runs pretty fine now...but does anyone here know how to use wythwelcome instead of mythfrontend as the starter ?
[16:20] <tafkaz> the xfce autostarrt function doesnt seem to help
[16:25] <marcel> zagibu: I use  720p as resolution
[16:25] <marcel> But it also depends on your vidcard
[16:25] <marcel> if it alows u tio use the native panel resolution than use that one
[16:25] <CanadianMan> greetings
[16:25] <zagibu> could you show me the relevant entries in xorg.conf?
[16:26] <marcel> well actualy it does that out of the box
[16:26] <marcel> but that also depends on the type of tv u use
[16:26] <marcel> and what information it reports back to your vidcard
[16:27] <zagibu> it's detected as generic, supporting 480p and 1080i, but it really is a 720p screen
[16:28] <marcel> well it actuallu is 1366x768 :)
[16:28] <marcel> what vidcard u have ?
[16:29] <zagibu> an onboard intel
[16:29] <marcel> hmm dont know about that then
[16:30] <marcel> Wait a few months until vc-1 and x264 are hw supported in ati  or nvidia drivers
[16:30] <marcel> and by that one :)
[16:30] <tafkaz> so everyone here uses mythfrontend instead of mythwelcome ?
[16:31] <tafkaz> mythwelcome is the much better way to start myth...i cant believe its not the standard
[16:31] <tafkaz> in mythbuntu
[16:31] <marcel> btw i also switched my HDMI cabel from el-cheapo to a decent one. That work much better also
[16:31] <tafkaz> but its even worse, that putting it into the autostart doesnt work
[16:32] <tafkaz> cant find any answers...
[16:32] <marcel> tafkaz: I dont know wheter its packaged in mythbuntu.
[16:32] <tafkaz> it is, and it works perfectly
[16:32] <marcel> But it shouldn't be hard to add
[16:32] <tafkaz> only it will not start as autostart
[16:32] <tafkaz> well...thats what i thought
[16:32] <tafkaz> but i cannot get it to run....
[16:33] <marcel> use the control panel to disable autostart first
[16:33] <tafkaz> i read some people have the same prob with mythbuntu, but i didnt find any answers
[16:33] <tafkaz> i used the controlpanel to disable mythtv autostart, and then added mythwelcome
[16:34] <tafkaz> that causes my gui to hang after reboot
[16:36] <tafkaz> hm but i try it again !
[17:06] <just1nj> anyone alive
[17:31] <CanadianMan> i'm using mythbuntu and for some reason the movie posters that mythvideo downloads are being corrupted.  they have a size of 0.
[17:31] <CanadianMan> everything else is fine plot, rating, time length, director
[17:32] <Daviey> CanadianMan: checked the permissions of where you store video's?
[17:33] <CanadianMan> the folder is 777 and the images are 644
[17:34] <CanadianMan> oh store the video's i'm sorry. what i gave you were the posters
[17:34] <Daviey> CanadianMan: hmm no idea then sorry.. In 30 mins i'll try it and see if i can reproduce
[17:34] <CanadianMan> ok cool thank you
[17:35] <CanadianMan> the folder is 755 and the video files are 744
[17:36] <Daviey> and who is the owner of the folder?
[17:36] <Daviey> ls -al /folder/location
[17:37] <CanadianMan> i am the owner of the folder
[17:38] <solarbaby> Daviey: Mythbuntu wins another point, and scrappers fall back.
[17:38] <Daviey> solarbaby: woot!
[17:38] <solarbaby> hehehe :)
[17:39] <solarbaby> Daviey: my appolagises for yesterdate, I was really fuming
[17:39] <Daviey> heh.. can be very much like that sometimes
[17:40] <solarbaby> Nod..  as far as I knew I was totally done working all the bugs out..  and then WHOP!
[17:40] <solarbaby> The Beauty is I finally got TVWish working when I switched over to SD.. and I love TVWish its a set of awesome scripts
[17:41]  * Daviey knows nothing of TVWish
[17:41] <Daviey> but, scrappers _will_ break 'weekly'
[17:41] <solarbaby> I'll take care of that for you
[17:41] <solarbaby> yeah obviously..  I was stupid to even set one up
[17:42] <solarbaby> Daviey: http://www.templetons.com/brad/myth/tvwish.html
[17:43] <Daviey> sounds good ^
[17:43] <ckw> is there a way to control the background recording that mythtv does for it live tv functions?
[17:43] <Daviey> "background recording"
[17:43] <Daviey> ?
[17:44] <ckw> probably a bad choice of words
[17:44] <solarbaby> Its not a LIVETV based deal, it just adds more content to your list of recordings
[17:45] <ckw> when i launch myth and watch for a while and then turn it off i end up with files in excess of 100 MB sometimes in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings
[17:45] <solarbaby> Read the page carefully..  it makes MythTV way more programmable then Tivo will ever become
[17:46] <dwf_starband> Daviey: do the mceusb remote receivers work on usb 1.1?
[17:46] <dwf_starband> in mythbuntu?
[17:46] <ckw> is there some way to define a limit on the space that it will use?
[17:48] <ckw> for example...i have been watching for 45 minutes and i have a resulting file in excess of 600 mb and growing....when i close myth that file remains...i dont want that to happen
[17:49] <solarbaby> that'll be scary when I finally fill my 500 gig drive
[17:49] <solarbaby> heh
[17:49] <ckw> for example...i have been watching for 45 minutes and i have a resulting file in excess of 600 mb and growing....when i close myth that file remains...i dont want that to happen
[17:49] <solarbaby> <--- Gives Superm1 a big wet one
[17:49] <superm1> Hi solarbaby :)
[17:49] <solarbaby> good to seeya again!
[17:50] <superm1> been traveling, so offline for a few days
[17:50] <superm1> keescook, you here yet?
[17:50] <solarbaby> superm1: I learned my lesson with scrapers for epg..  wow was that a bad idea
[17:50] <superm1> what's that?
[17:50] <keescook> superm1: hi!
[17:50] <superm1> keescook, i just got situated up here :)
[17:51] <solarbaby> superm1: I was scraping zap2it..  but that seriosuly messes with the database..  I since dropped my database and started a fresh one (YAY I finally learned how to do that)
[17:51] <keescook> superm1: ah, very cool.  I'm on floor 3, to the right of the elevators at the moment.
[17:51] <superm1> keescook, i'm on the 5th at the end.  did you grab lunch yet?
[17:51] <solarbaby> superm1: things we only wish to experiment with when we have a new install like mine
[17:51] <superm1> solarbaby, yick
[17:52] <keescook> superm1: yeah, ate already.  there's a nice sandwich shop called "Cinderella's" on the other side of Mass Ave
[17:52] <superm1> i saw a few oriental places that i was thinking, but maybe a sandwich is more appropriate for lunch
[17:55] <superm1> ah looks like a whole bunch of *-motu folks are going to eat, i'll join them :)
[17:59] <Daviey> superm1: ah.. you arrived ok then :)
[18:00] <superm1> Daviey, yeah
[18:00] <Daviey> superm1: good 'o
[18:00] <superm1> Daviey, i'm a wee bit tired though
[18:00] <Daviey> I need to have another loom at the schedule for this week
[18:00] <superm1> some bloat from the UK is rooming with me, but he hasn't arrived yet
[18:00] <Daviey> oh dear.. a tired superm1 is a grumpy one :þ
[18:00] <superm1> well a hungry one is more trouble
[18:00] <superm1> i haven't eaten since yesterday dinner
[18:01] <Daviey> heh.. who is rooming with you?>
[18:01] <superm1> i dunno his name off hand.  i just saw that he was from the UK with his address listed on the room checkin
[18:02] <Daviey> groovy
[18:03] <superm1> egads, why are our forums so freaking busy?
[18:04] <Daviey> hint.. forums suck
[18:06] <superm1> well if we didn't have them, how would those people get help?
[18:07] <Daviey> Launchpad Answers
[18:07] <Daviey> ie, a proper support place :)
[18:12]  * tgm4883 pulls a superm1 and sneaks in
[18:19] <CanadianMan> sorry to post the same question but since there's a few more chatting. . .does anyone know why my movie posters when being downloaded by MythVideo are having a size of 0?
[18:54] <marcel> CanadianMan: tested with latest trunk, works here
[18:54] <CanadianMan> ok thank you
[18:54] <CanadianMan> i'm sorry but what does latest trunk mean?
[18:55] <CanadianMan> version?
[18:55] <marcel> weeklybuilds (from trunk) latest version from svn
[18:55] <CanadianMan> gotcha ty
[19:18] <solarbaby> Im not seeing a way in Mythtv to ask it to only record new episodes
[19:24] <solarbaby> I found it
[20:00] <just1nj> anyone alive
[20:01] <directhex> braaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnssssssssssss
[20:07] <just1nj> superm1 your around?
[20:15] <therethinker> $mythbot
[20:15] <mythbot> Hi! I know a lot about MythTV! I can also do things like look stuff up on wikipedia. To see what I know, use $. To learn more about me, say $help.
[20:28] <tgm4883_laptop> $alive
[20:28] <tgm4883_laptop> ubotu still dead :(
[20:28] <tgm4883_laptop> $add
[20:29] <tgm4883_laptop> $additem.
[20:29] <mythbot> format '$additem:keyword:description' -- Not everyone can do this, only mythtv devs!
[20:29] <tgm4883_laptop> $additem alive Don't ask if we're alive.  Ask your question and we will answer if we are alive
[20:29] <tgm4883_laptop> $alive
[20:30] <just1nj> righto
[20:30] <tgm4883_laptop> $hello
[20:30] <mythbot> Welcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv.  Please state your question or comment.
[20:30] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[20:30] <just1nj> alive
[20:30] <just1nj> $alive
[20:30] <just1nj> hello
[20:30] <just1nj> $hello
[20:30] <mythbot> Welcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv.  Please state your question or comment.
[20:31] <tgm4883_laptop> $abuse
[20:31] <mythbot> Yes, I get it.  You've never seen a bot doing it's thing.  Now stop abusing me.
[20:32] <just1nj> anything, i am still having an issue where mythfrontend is getting started more than once at login
[20:32] <tgm4883_laptop> $additem:alive:Don't ask if we're alive.  Ask your question and we will answer if we are alive
[20:32] <mythbot> Added help file for alive
[20:33] <tgm4883_laptop> there we go
[20:33] <tgm4883_laptop> $alive
[20:33] <mythbot> Don't ask if we're alive.  Ask your question and we will answer if we are alive
[20:33] <just1nj> alive
[20:34] <just1nj> does the bot have interval it waits before it gives the same response again
[20:34] <tgm4883_laptop> $runover just1nj
[20:34] <mythbot> /action takes wireless control of just1nj's car, and runs him over
[20:34] <just1nj> lol
[20:34] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[20:34] <tgm4883_laptop> you need $
[20:35] <just1nj> gotcha it a tigger based on the $
[20:35] <tgm4883_laptop> $mbot
[20:35] <mythbot> What is thy bidding, my master?
[20:35] <tgm4883_laptop> $whack just1nj
[20:35] <mythbot> /action whacks just1nj
[20:35] <tgm4883_laptop> see
[20:35] <just1nj> $ doesnt act like a wild card and causes the response whenever the tigger is observed
[20:36] <tgm4883_laptop> $ lets mythbot know your talking to it
[20:36] <tgm4883_laptop> in fact
[20:36] <tgm4883_laptop> if ubotu was in here the previous commands would have gotten a response
[20:36] <tgm4883_laptop> anything where $ is the first char
[20:36] <tgm4883_laptop> if mythbot doesn't know it asks ubotu
[20:36] <just1nj> i jsut about to go there
[20:37] <just1nj> its been years since i have played much with irc bots
[20:37]  * just1nj had to give up irc to finish college
[20:40] <just1nj> anyway, from what i can figure the mythfrontend script does a lot of checking of stuff when invoked in service mode, but does not bother to check to see if the the script or the real frontend is already running
[20:41] <just1nj> which is genearlly a good idea if you running something as a service and that is what i am thinking my problem is,
[20:41] <just1nj> coupled with a timining issue between network startup, mysql startup, and backup startup
[20:44] <just1nj> eww my dog just flung drewl all over my macbook pro which i jusy cleaned not an hour ago
[21:21] <just1nj> $bored
[21:21] <mythbot> Sorry, I neither I or ubotu knew, but Wikipedia says: "The first record of the word boredom is in the novel, Bleak House, by Charles Dickens, written in 1852,[1] although the expression to be a bore had been used in the sense of 'to be tiresome or dull' since 1768.[2]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bored
[21:21] <just1nj> haha nice
[21:22] <just1nj> $wikipedia
[21:22] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: wikipedia is a free online encyclopedia, you can find it at http://wikipedia.org
[21:22] <just1nj> irc bots have evolved since i used them regularly
[21:22] <just1nj> $bot
[21:22] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[21:25] <just1nj> $cups
[21:25] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[21:25] <directhex> $saucers
[21:25] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "saucers", sorry.
[21:27] <just1nj> haha
[21:28] <just1nj> $beer
[21:28] <mythbot> Sorry, I neither I or ubotu knew, but Wikipedia says: "Beer is the world's oldest[1] and most popular[2][3] alcoholic beverage." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer
[21:29] <directhex> $mead
[21:29] <mythbot> Sorry, I neither I or ubotu knew, but Wikipedia says: "Mead (IPA: /ˈmiːd/) is a fermented alcoholic beverage made of honey, water, and yeast." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead
[21:30] <just1nj> $force
[21:30] <mythbot> Sorry, I neither I or ubotu knew, but Wikipedia says: "In physics, force is an action or agency that causes a body of mass m to accelerate." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force
[21:32] <just1nj> $mythbot
[21:32] <mythbot> Hi! I know a lot about MythTV! I can also do things like look stuff up on wikipedia. To see what I know, use $. To learn more about me, say $help.
[21:32] <just1nj> $mythfrontend.real
[21:32] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "please don't", sorry.
[21:33] <just1nj> um
[21:33] <just1nj> $mythfrontend
[21:33] <mythbot> mythfrontend is the front-end program. This program runs on the computer you watch TV on. There can be more than one frontend connect to a backend at one time.
[22:16] <ckw> I had a perfectly working mythtv setup going on a single machine...i reconfigured the backend as the primary and setup the laptop with the frontend and got it all working except now i have no sound at all on either machine....just in myth...system sound works otherwise on both...i am starting to research this but thought it wouldnt hurt to lay it out here in case someone might know whats up off the top of their head.
[22:16] <Tari> you might have it muted in myth
[22:19] <CanadianMan> where do i set samba to start on boot up in mythbuntu?
[22:21] <Tari> I think it starts by default
[22:22] <ckw> Tari:i thought of that....however when i try to use f9 to toggle mute i get no display anymore....likewise with f10 and f11
[22:22] <CanadianMan> if i reboot my box i have to ssh into and run sudo /etc/init.d/samba start to share files again
[22:23] <ckw> Tari:i mean that i get no display of the volume control...not that i lose the main display
[23:54] <MythbuntuGuest41> any one here? I am having massive trouble getting a HD resolution out of mythbuntu 1366x768 to be exact
[23:55] <superm1> how so?
[23:55] <superm1> what is it 1360x768?
[23:56] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, it's a big problem
[23:56] <tgm4883_laptop> nvidia?
[23:56] <superm1> how is that a big problem?
[23:56] <superm1> 6 pixels?
[23:57] <MythbuntuGuest41> i would love to get 1360 but it should be 1366 so the mac and windows machines say
[23:57] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest41: What graphics card?
[23:57] <tgm4883_laptop> are you even getting 1360?
[23:58] <MythbuntuGuest41> not even when i put in the xorg file, it never even shows up as an option
[23:58] <MythbuntuGuest41> intergrated nvidia 1650 gforce
[23:59] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest41, put in "nvidia-auto-select"
[23:59] <superm1> as a resolution
[23:59] <superm1> if its not there
[23:59] <superm1> otherwise pastebin your xorg.conf
[23:59] <superm1> !pastebin | MythbuntuGuest41
[23:59] <ubotu> MythbuntuGuest41: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[23:59] <tgm4883_laptop> I think there is a bug in the nvidia driver