[00:00] <ermo> jpds: I could try to emit the 'local filesystems' event manuall as per the Upstart wiki.
[00:01] <ermo> *manually
[00:05] <enav> need some orientation pleas....   i chrooted a user using these steps http://is.gd/c9lXs  .... SFTP works perfect  but  when i try to initiate a SSH connection its just froze
[00:07] <penguin42> enav: I *think* that's the ForceCommand internal-sftp line
[00:07] <enav> hum let me google that line
[00:08] <penguin42> enav: I think it's trying to force all ssh connections for that user to be only sftp
[00:08] <enav> nop
[00:08] <enav> i got 2 accounts  admind and webmaster
[00:10] <enav> admin have all powers (SSH, SFTP)  but webmaster is chrooted to a specific folder.... so webmaster only can connect via sftp
[00:11] <enav> i thought chroot an user will jail that user to an specific folder on SSH and SFTP... but for some reason this is disabling SSH cessions
[00:13] <penguin42> my suspicion is that ForceCommand does more than just the chroot
[00:13] <ermo> jpds: Right, I think I know how to proceed. Thanks for your time.
[00:14] <ermo> diabolical_: and thanks for your time too.
[00:15] <jpds> ermo: No worries.
[00:17] <ermo> Next up: A forwarding only postfix setup adapted from my previous gentoo configuration. This should be 'fun'.
[00:17]  * ermo does his *NINJA VANISH* trick
[00:31] <enav> how do you do that funny trick?
[00:43] <ruben23> hi guys
[00:43] <ruben23> happay weekedn to all
[00:43] <ruben23> happy weekend i mean
[00:52] <ruben23> hi anyone here a ubuntu a senior sysadmin i would like to ask if i can apply as an apprenttice or trainee...
[00:53] <ruben23> :)
[00:54] <SpamapS> ruben23: best way to do that is probably get a lot of real world experience... sign on as a jr. admin at a hosting company maybe?
[00:58] <ruben23> SpamapS: its not actually areal job but i want to learn the ways and expertise of senior sysadmin..
[00:59] <ruben23> SpamapS: but thte one your suggesting, hope its possible that would be a good learning ground
[01:20] <dominicdinada> by  default does the ufw send its firewall rules to iptables and if so when?
[01:34] <enav> why a folder to jail some SFTP user need to be owned by root?????
[01:35] <enav> cd /
[01:54] <RoyK> testing a 16 system live is quite niccce
[02:04] <chewbranca> so I setup UEC and got everything configured with a node controller as well, but I have not been able to install an image from the store yet
[02:04] <chewbranca> everytime I do, it downloads and then errors out with: "socket.error: [Errno 110] Connection timed out"
[02:04] <chewbranca> any ideas?
[02:06] <chewbranca> same error as here: http://open.eucalyptus.com/forum/store-image-installation-erro
[02:07] <chewbranca> and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1444503
[02:15] <owen1> after upgrading to lucid i can't login. instead of the text-based login i had, i see a wallpaper. the mouse is working, keyboard does not. (it's a desktop that i removed the gdm)
[02:16] <chewbranca> I get that same error if I try installing M/DB appliance
[02:25] <owen1> chewbranca: r u talking to me?
[02:28] <chewbranca> owen1, no, talking about this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9306716#post9306716
[02:49] <chewbranca> bah... getting the same socket timeout when I try and bundle manually as described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/BundlingImages
[04:11] <chewbranca> nice, managed to figure it out, was a configuration error on the keyboard side of things
[04:25] <owen1> is it possible to install lucid server from a usb?
[04:35] <ScottK> owen1: Yes.  Use usb-creator to make a USB key from the server iso.
[04:40] <owen1> ScottK: will do. is there a way to know in advance if my machine support install from usb? it's a few years old desktop
[04:42] <xrol> hello, I'm having problems installing server 10.04 64bits, when base install reach 75% it stops reading the cd, and ask me to change media, however, i still can see the content of the disk, any ideas?
[05:07] <SpamapS> xrol: did you select some special options that maybe aren't on the main cd?
[05:09] <xrol> no, normal install. I check the ubuntu forum, and the bug is reported some days ago, but there is not an answer yet, I also reburn the disk just in case, but nothing
[05:09] <xrol> in some place I read that may be a Sony DVD issue with the new ubuntu
[05:10] <xrol> I mean sony dvd drive
[05:12] <xrol> here is the link to the ubuntu forum where the problem is presented: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1468718&page=1
[05:12] <SpamapS> reading..
[05:13] <xrol> thanks
[05:15] <SpamapS> xrol: kind of looks like that link suggests your DVD is a bit suspect
[05:16] <xrol> the dvd drive?
[05:17] <SpamapS> thats what everybody seems to be suggesting
[05:17] <SpamapS> not necessarily the reader, but the burner too.. could be either
[05:19] <xrol> the problem with that is that I can pess Alt+F2, access the console, and access the dvd contect, from the same server I'm installing, and it doesn't present any read errors, how is taht the installation can't read what I can from the same disk?
[05:20] <SpamapS> Possibly a checksum fails on a package install.
[05:22] <xrol> I'll try another burner and another reader, thank you
[06:20] <owen1> i just installed lucid and noticed that during the installation i got message about no connection to the internet.
[06:20] <owen1> the installation is completed. how to establish connection(wired at first)
[06:32] <fbc-mx> Is there any kind of monitoring service that I can install on my server that will email me when certain thresholds are broken, like CPU goes over 9 for more than 10 seconds, etc
[06:40] <SpamapS> damn.. munin is the perfect answer for fbc-mx
[06:40] <SpamapS> he waited a whole 2 minutes for an answer
[07:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> greetings, im having issues installing 10.04 server on a system with an MSI KT4V mobo
[07:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> has anyone heard of this?
[07:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> disc integrity checks out, I tried a different optical drive on another system (Dell Dimension), setup program seems to run fine
[07:11] <Iceman_B|nbk> when I transfer the dvd drive to the other system, it hangs again at the keyboard select screen
[07:11] <Iceman_B|nbk> whats going on ?
[08:00] <Iceman_B|nbk> nobody? wow
[08:02] <Iceman_B|nbk> oh, https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04%20LTS/installation-guide/ 404's
[08:04] <KurtKraut> I have a transparent Squid cache and behind it severak Ubuntu desktop computers. Will Squid cache package updates and save bandwith? Are APT repositories cachable by default?a
[08:21] <owen1> every rebbot i have to run 'sudo dhcp eth0' to have internet connection. how to tell ubuntu to do it for me?
[08:44] <owen1> what package do i need so i can have a wireless network plugin on my panel? (using xfce)
[08:50] <RoyK> you mean like X?
[09:02] <owen1> RoyK_wrk:solved it already..
[09:09] <owen1> i can't see my any wireless network. how make ubuntu 'discover' my wireless?
[09:09] <owen1> (iwconfig shows me wlan0)
[10:02] <Schmidt> owen1: iwlist wlan0 or something like that
[10:48] <RoyK>  11:48:27 up 1 day, 19:52,  1 user,  load average: 20.40, 20.18, 20.11
[10:52] <RoyK> ubuntu runs quite well on 16 cores :D
[10:55] <Iceman_B|nbk> I wish I could get Ubuntu to run ._.
[10:55] <realV> hi all
[10:56] <realV> someone know some good tutorial for heartbeat?
[10:59] <RoyK> I think that's heartbeat's been superseeded by pacemaker
[11:04] <Mikey^> Hey
[11:04] <Mikey^> I have a 6.06.2 installation
[11:04] <Mikey^> Why is there no mplayer in the repos ?
[11:04] <RoyK> is there a good reason to run 6.06 these days?
[11:04] <Mikey^> I dont have X installed, only commandline.
[11:05] <Mikey^> yes, I just have it for fun
[11:05] <Mikey^> nothing serious
[11:05] <RoyK> upgrading to 8.04 or 10.04 might help
[11:05] <Mikey^> Why cant I use what I want
[11:05] <Mikey^> isnt that the policy of opensource, no forceful updates
[11:05] <Mikey^> I can use what I want
[11:06] <RoyK> of course you can :)
[11:06] <Mikey^> thank you :)
[11:07] <RoyK> but don't complain about the lack of packages in ancient distros
[11:07] <Mikey^> no. I was just asked
[11:07] <Mikey^> asking *
[11:08]  * RoyK installs slackware 2.3 on Mikey^'s box
[11:08] <Iceman_B|nbk> can I use the cd installer to upgrade a 9.10 machine to 10.04?
[11:08] <RoyK> Iceman_B|nbk: it's easier to just run do-release-upgrade
[11:09] <Iceman_B|nbk> doesnt that break all sorts of things?
[11:09] <Mikey^> RoyK: Thank you, I want someone to install slackware :)
[11:09] <Iceman_B|nbk> last time I did that I ended up with 6 kernels
[11:09] <Iceman_B|nbk> and a face that looked like this:  °_°?
[11:09] <Mikey^> 6.06 is not that old.. Its not like I am using debian 1.0 or something
[11:09] <RoyK> it installs a new kernel, yes
[11:09] <RoyK> but it doesn't break things
[11:09] <RoyK> well, mostly it doesn't :)
[11:09] <RoyK> hasn't broken any of my boxes yet
[11:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> okay
[11:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> well I guess it shouldnt, im using very little additional packages
[11:10] <RoyK> the online upgrade will also use the latest packages
[11:10] <RoyK> meaning less bugs
[11:10] <RoyK> or newer bugs :)
[11:10] <RoyK> newer bugs are always better than old ones
[11:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> but, say I do want to delete all other kernels and just use the latest 32-bit server kernel, how would I do that
[11:11] <Iceman_B|nbk> (on 9.10, with aptitude)
[11:11] <RoyK> just apt-get remove them
[11:11] <RoyK> dpkg -l will list install packages - remove the ones you don't want
[11:12] <Iceman_B|nbk> yeah but, I never know which package I need
[11:12] <Iceman_B|nbk> for each kernel, there are 2 or 3 packages
[11:12] <Iceman_B|nbk> some of em are meta
[11:14] <RoyK> pastebin the output of
[11:14] <RoyK> dpkg -l|grep linux-image
[11:14] <Iceman_B|nbk> gimme 5 minutes, need to move my server to its dark hole again and boot it
[11:15] <RoyK> black hole server :)
[11:20] <Iceman_B|nbk> cupboard box :p
[11:21]  * Iceman_B|nbk <-- poor ex-student turned NEET
[11:23] <Iceman_B|nbk> Linux Rin-chan 2.6.31-21-generic-pae #59-Ubuntu SMP Wed Mar 24 08:47:55 UTC 2010 i686 <-- it says this when I log in
[11:23] <Iceman_B|nbk> dpkg paste coming up
[11:23] <RoyK> Iceman_B|nbk: no, it says when the kernel was built
[11:24] <ivoks> that will be removed in maverick
[11:24] <Iceman_B|nbk> RoyK: http://dpaste.com/195207/
[11:24] <ivoks> from motd
[11:24] <RoyK> ivoks: what will?
[11:24] <ivoks> timestamp when kernel was built
[11:25] <RoyK> why?
[11:25] <ivoks> users wouldn't get that info when they log in
[11:25] <ivoks> it's useless
[11:25] <RoyK> ah, in motd, yes
[11:26] <RoyK> Iceman_B|nbk: is this a server?
[11:27] <ivoks> he doesn't have latest updates, fwiw
[11:27] <Iceman_B|nbk> RoyK: ya
[11:27] <ivoks> current kernel is -22
[11:28] <Iceman_B|nbk> I installed it with 9.04 server edition I believe
[11:28] <Iceman_B|nbk> then at some point I did an online upgrade
[11:28] <RoyK> Iceman_B|nbk: uname -r
[11:29] <RoyK> oh
[11:29] <RoyK> I guess it's 2.6.31-21-generic-pae
[11:29] <RoyK> why not -server?
[11:29] <Iceman_B|nbk> I have no clue :)
[11:29] <RoyK> well, just run the upgrade
[11:29] <RoyK> you can clean up later
[11:29] <ivoks> well, you obviously installed ubuntu-desktop package
[11:29] <ivoks> you can't hide from us
[11:29] <Iceman_B|nbk> which I didnt want to ._.
[11:29] <ivoks> we know everything :)
[11:29] <Iceman_B|nbk> noes!
[11:30] <RoyK> you can run, but you can't hide
[11:30] <Iceman_B|nbk> I'll just smoke then :p
[11:30] <Iceman_B|nbk> right so, upgrade time
[11:30] <ivoks> i doubt it got installed by it self :)
[11:31] <Iceman_B|nbk> ivoks: I want the server to run with as little stuff as possible, its running on an 9y/o Dell Dimension
[11:31] <Iceman_B|nbk> "do-release-upgrade" is it?
[11:31] <RoyK> yes
[11:34] <Iceman_B|SSH> well, this machine is upgrading now
[11:35] <RoyK> shouldn't take too long
[11:35] <ivoks> well
[11:36] <ivoks> since he installed ubuntu-desktop, it might take long :)
[11:36] <Iceman_B|nbk> 285 megs
[11:36] <ivoks> maybe you just installed the kernel
[11:36] <ivoks> hm...
[11:36] <ivoks> question; what cpu is that?
[11:38] <ivoks> if it's an older CPU
[11:38] <ivoks> it might not support PAE
[11:38] <ivoks> and, afaik, all -generic and -server package are now pae enabled
[11:38] <ivoks> meaning, you won't be able to boot those kernels
[11:39] <ivoks> fear not, there's -386 version, for those old CPUs
[11:40] <Iceman_B|nbk> ivoks: P4 1.6 Ghz
[11:40] <storrgie> i can log into my machine with my rsa key once, but once i log out it denies me access until I restart the machine.....
[11:40] <Iceman_B|nbk> 256meg RDram
[11:40] <ivoks> right
[11:40] <ivoks> so, it doesn't support pae
[11:40] <Iceman_B|nbk> nope
[11:40] <Iceman_B|nbk> I dont think that existed 9 yrs ago :)
[11:41] <ivoks> there you go
[11:41] <ivoks> now you know why you have -generic kernel
[11:41] <Iceman_B|nbk> okay
[11:42] <Iceman_B|nbk> wait, not okay
[11:42] <Iceman_B|nbk> there are only server kernels with PAE support?
[11:43] <ivoks> server kernels work only on CPUs that support PAE, that's right
[11:45] <ivoks> we have only one kernel now, anyway
[11:46] <ivoks> and that's -generic
[11:46] <ivoks> there's -386 for those with non-pae cpus
[12:04] <Iceman_B|nbk> there it goes
[12:08] <RoyK> on lucid?
[12:09] <Iceman_B|nbk> Linux Rin-chan 2.6.32-22-generic-pae
[12:09] <Iceman_B|nbk> oh
[12:09] <Iceman_B|nbk> ravi@Rin-chan:~$ uname -a
[12:09] <Iceman_B|nbk> Linux Rin-chan 2.6.32-22-generic-pae #33-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 28 14:57:29 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> seems like it
[12:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> oh fsck
[12:10] <Iceman_B|nbk> well the welcome message said 10.04 LTS
[12:13] <ivoks> it is
[12:13] <ivoks> 2.6.32 is in lucid
[12:14] <RoyK> Iceman_B|nbk: lsb_release -a should show most of it
[12:14] <RoyK> Iceman_B|nbk: there you are - no bugs yet :)
[12:24] <Iceman_B|nbk> well, I only started irssi so
[12:24] <Iceman_B|nbk> lets see if my samba share is still dancing
[12:25] <Iceman_B|nbk> Lady Gaga says yes
[12:25]  * Iceman_B|nbk sings along with "Bad ROmance"
[12:35] <storrgie> How do I set it up so that my home directory is NOT encrypted?
[12:44] <RoyK> don't enable encryption :)
[12:44] <storrgie> I just deleted my user and created him again
[12:44] <storrgie> what a pain
[12:44] <storrgie> using encryption means you cant use key login ssh
[12:44] <storrgie> unless you are logged into the system and your home is mounted
[12:44] <storrgie> :(
[12:45] <RoyK> not for first login, no
[12:45] <RoyK> which is quite understandable
[12:50] <Iceman_B|nbk> bbl
[13:50] <_ruben> storrgie: there's "tricks" to store your pub key in both the encrypted and non-encrypted homedir, or just move the pub key to some place outside your $HOME .. it remains a nasty issue however though :)
[13:52] <penguin42> storrgie: I guess full disk encryption rather than home directory encryption might be easier in that case
[13:53] <penguin42> (Can the standard installer do that?)
[13:53] <storrgie> penguin42: yeah dont do home dir encryption if you want to ssh in with pubkey access
[13:53] <storrgie> penguin42: i am having another ssh issue, mind taking a peek?
[13:53] <penguin42> can try, don't know that much about weirder corners of ssh
[13:54] <storrgie> well have you set up key based auth with ssh?
[13:54] <RoyK> penguin42: I think you should be able to ssh in based on key auth the second time you try
[13:54] <RoyK> iirc linux keeps the encrypted volume mounted after first login
[13:55] <storrgie> RoyK you are correct
[13:55] <RoyK> I'm not entirely sure that's a good thing, though, security-wise
[13:57] <echosystm> honest opinions - how do you guys find ubuntu server in comparison to centos et al ?
[13:58] <echosystm> it seems to be getting taken a lot more seriously these days as a server distro (unlike the past)
[13:59] <echosystm> im curious about it
[14:00] <RoyK> I've been using a lot of distros over the years, but I'm quite confident with using ubuntu
[14:01] <echosystm> i guess my main concern...
[14:01] <penguin42> echosystm: I'd still use Centos/RHEL for a server
[14:01] <RoyK> I guess a lot boils down to taste or even religion for some, but our ubuntu servers work well
[14:01] <echosystm> ive always found quality to be a bit hit and miss in ubuntu as a desktop os, in comparison to debian for example
[14:01] <penguin42> echosystm: Well for a public facing one, for myself I'd use Ubuntu
[14:01] <RoyK> ubuntu is very good for servers
[14:01] <RoyK> we have about 20 ubuntu machines now
[14:01] <RoyK> moving the redhat stuff to ubuntu when we can
[14:02] <echosystm> but things like installing java are about a metric bajillion times easier than on centos
[14:02] <echosystm> and thats a scientific fact
[14:02] <echosystm> ;)
[14:02] <RoyK> I know
[14:02] <echosystm> im drawn to ubuntu for this reason alone really
[14:02] <RoyK> echosystm: we have a bunch of scientists using lots of libraries that aren't even thought of in the redhat camp
[14:03] <RoyK> installing those by hand is a bitch
[14:03] <echosystm> yeah
[14:03] <RoyK> in ubuntu they're all in the repository already
[14:03] <echosystm> yeah, thats what i love about ubuntu
[14:03] <echosystm> everything is in the repo
[14:03] <RoyK> less work, more time off
[14:03] <penguin42> yeh apt and the ubuntu/debian repos are way better than the centos/rhel ones
[14:03] <echosystm> ive noticed parallels have started supporting ubuntu too
[14:04] <echosystm> for plesk
[14:04]  * RoyK just uses vbox
[14:04] <echosystm> so i figure ubuntu can't be too bad
[14:05] <RoyK> I'd recommend using 8.04 for critical servers
[14:05] <RoyK> 10.04 was just released - there might be bugs still
[14:05] <echosystm> isnt 8.04 almost EOL now though?
[14:05] <storrgie> echosystm: i think it has a couple more years
[14:05] <RoyK> supported until april 2013
[14:05] <echosystm> ah, cool
[14:05] <penguin42> it's worth waiting a little while until we all figure out how to debug lucid
[14:05] <echosystm> tbh, i
[14:06] <echosystm> i'd really like to see ubuntu LTS based off debian stable
[14:06] <echosystm> then the 6 month releases off testing/sid
[14:07] <echosystm> i guess that was the idea behind trying to sync the freezes
[14:07] <echosystm> anyway
[14:07] <echosystm> so the basic rule is to only use LTS releases and wait a little while between them, yes?
[14:08] <RoyK> yes
[14:08] <echosystm> ok
[14:08] <echosystm> easy
[14:08] <RoyK> 8.04 is really rock stable
[14:08] <echosystm> im using it at work as my desktop
[14:08] <echosystm> and i notice some bugs still
[14:08] <echosystm> but it could be virtualbox
[14:08] <penguin42> echosystm: But the bugs are known
[14:09] <RoyK> perhaps with X - I don't know many people still using 8.04 for their desktop
[14:09] <penguin42> echosystm: Known bugs, none of them too bad
[14:09] <penguin42> yeh for a desktop I'd move on
[14:09] <echosystm> ive been trying to find the time to update, but work... priorities :P
[14:10] <RoyK> we only have one server in production with 10.04 - just installed - numbercruncher thing - so I don't know yet - seems stable so far, running at a load of about 20
[14:13] <penguin42> RoyK: Does it do anything other than crunch? Does it do any servery like things - e.g. NFS or smb serving heavily?
[14:13] <wortbit> I try to get uec running for the first time. So far I can run "euca-describe-availability-zones verbose" but I get for free/max always 0. I think it has todo with the storage/lvm - does the SC require a special name for the volumegroup?
[14:13] <RoyK> penguin42: not this box
[14:13] <RoyK> penguin42: 16 core baby with 64 gigs of RAM
[14:14] <RoyK> penguin42: modelling volcanic ash transport
[14:14] <penguin42> RoyK: Yeh you said - we can blame you now for our closed airports
[14:14] <penguin42> :-)
[14:15] <RoyK> heh - not really - we're just trying to make the models better so that you can keep them open a little longer
[14:15] <RoyK> one of our scientists have even developed a sort of camera that can be installed in aircraft to detect volcanic ash so they can navigate around it
[14:15] <penguin42> nice
[14:16] <RoyK> http://www.nicarnica.com/
[14:43] <ChaosR> hello people, for some reason my server thinks its a good idea (or just thinks its funny to annoy me) to go into standby mode, does anybody knows how this is possible, and how to disable it?
[14:44] <penguin42> ChaosR: Is it just a power management setting ? (A bit odd for a server, but maybe not if it started off as a desktop install)
[14:46] <ChaosR> I don't even know where to configure power management on a server, and there is no desktop environment installed
[14:46] <Mkools> I want to deploy .war file on tomcat6 for that I have created my own instance I have put up .war file in my instance's webapps directory but still not working. Any suggestions.
[14:46] <Mkools> Can any one please review my PATH settings.
[14:47] <penguin42> ChaosR: It does sound a bit unusual
[14:47] <Mkools> Also added virtual host in server.xml.
[14:47] <penguin42> ChaosR: Does it do it when idle or when busy or no difference?
[14:47] <ChaosR> no difference, and the only way to wake it is to press any key on the attached keyboard
[14:48] <penguin42> weird
[14:48] <Mkools> Using CATALINA_BASE:   /home/mukul/practimp.private
[14:48] <Mkools> Using CATALINA_HOME:   /usr/share/tomcat6
[14:48] <Mkools> Using CATALINA_TMPDIR: /home/mukul/practimp.private/temp
[14:48] <Mkools> Using JRE_HOME:       /usr
[14:48] <ChaosR> although it might have to with me leaving the ssh session idle
[14:48] <ChaosR> but that would be even more odd :P
[14:51] <ChaosR> what happens is that the screen blanks and the network connection is paused (but not dropped)
[14:51] <ChaosR> every new connection from my end to the server times out, and every existing connection will resume as soon as I return the server to the normal state
[14:53] <penguin42> ChaosR: It's sitting at the console?
[14:53] <ChaosR> penguin42: what do you mean?
[14:53] <penguin42> at the text console
[14:53] <ChaosR> yes, asking for user/pass
[14:55] <penguin42> you could try logging in on the console and doing setterm -powersave off  -blank 0           and I think that sohuld disable any monitor powersaving/blank (although I'm not 100% sure-blank 0 is the disable rather than instant!)
[14:55] <penguin42> at least if anything more subtle is happening it might let you see it
[14:56] <penguin42> ChaosR: Is there anything in the logs?
[14:56] <ChaosR> what logs specifically
[14:56] <penguin42>  /var/log/messages
[14:57] <ChaosR> nothing interesting
[14:58] <ChaosR> "possible SYN flooding on port 54289. Sending cookies.", but I guess thats just bittorrent
[15:03] <Mkools> hey can any one help.
[15:03] <ChaosR> penguin42: how can you see the current setterm settings?
[15:03] <ChaosR> Mkools: sorry, I know nothing about tomcat
[15:03] <sommer> ScottK: quick question about opendkim... does it just need to be installed like the older dkim-filter package?
[15:04] <penguin42> ChaosR: Not sure
[15:06] <ChaosR> stty -a does not show any of the power features
[15:10] <teddy> what is a cms for ubuntu-server that uses less memory and fast? I do not want to install joomla or drupal
[15:12] <penguin42> teddy: apt-cache search   is a good way of finding packages - e.g. apt-cache search cms   and then weed out things that are a different meaning of cms
[15:51] <penguin42> does anyone understand what drives /etc/init/bridge-network-interface.conf - I can see that I've got an instance called virtbr0 that must have come from kvm but I don't quite see how it got started (and similarly I don't see what started dnsmasq from libvirt)
[15:51] <penguin42> perhaps a more general question is how do multiple instances work in upstart
[16:00] <egsome> How to share a USB Printer connected to Ubuntu Server with another Ubuntu Computers ?
[16:01] <penguin42> make sure it is shared by cups
[16:01] <egsome> penguin42, how to do ?
[16:01] <penguin42> and then you should be able to give the ipp url of the printer to the other machine
[16:02] <penguin42> egsome: How have you configured it locally?
[16:02] <egsome> penguin42, using hp setup tool
[16:02] <penguin42> hmm, I've not got an hp printer so I'm not too sure what it does - are you running gnome?
[16:03] <egsome> penguin42, No, it's a server as i mentioned, and no Gnome installed there as there's no display device
[16:03] <penguin42> the hp setup tool is command line?
[16:03] <penguin42> ok
[16:03] <egsome> penguin42, yeah
[16:04] <penguin42> check /etc/cups/printers.conf
[16:04] <penguin42> shared should be Yes
[16:04] <egsome> penguin42, already set to Yes
[16:04] <penguin42> check cups is running, check /etc/cups/cupsd.conf allows remote printer sharing
[16:05] <hihihi100> can u help me with an IBUS issue?
[16:05] <egsome> penguin42, cups is running
[16:06] <penguin42> egsome: OK, it may or may not be setup to allow connections from remote machines, but I'd try it - the other machine should be able to browse that machine
[16:08] <egsome> penguin42, i can browse the machine, but i see a folder named "print$", and it ask for password, when i enter the password of my user on the server, it ask again ( means wrong )
[16:08] <penguin42> egsome: Oh, this is sharing to a windows box?
[16:08] <egsome> penguin42, No, All Ubuntu
[16:09] <penguin42> egsome: So in new printer go to network printer and then ipp and put in the host name there
[16:10] <egsome> penguin42, i got "This print share is not accessible."
[16:12] <penguin42> egsome: my guess is it's something in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf  but it's a while since I've fought it - I'd probably use a webbrowser on the serving machine and connect to localhost:631 and go through the config there (I think somehting like w3m or links should be enough)
[16:14] <egsome> penguin42, how to configure using that web interface ?
[16:19] <penguin42> egsome: I can't remember, it's quite a while since I did it - you might prefer to edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[16:20] <penguin42> egsome: /var/log/cups/error_log is also useful to debug
[16:28] <ScottK> sommer: re opendkim, you'll also need to make the same config file changes as you had with dkim-milter.  Be sure to look at the sample as the options are not 100% identical (it's close).
[16:31] <egsome> penguin42, solved ! , only used http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/doc-1.4/sharing.html
[16:32] <penguin42> cool
[16:45] <Igramul> Hi, how can I install misdn in Ubuntu 10.04 server? There seem to be kernel modules (which are also loaded for my AVM FritzCard) but no tools to generate /etc/misdn.conf.
[16:48] <RoyK> Igramul: not using asterisk, are you?
[16:49] <Igramul> RoyK, I want to use asterisk.
[16:50] <RoyK> well, good luck
[16:50] <RoyK> I work with the crap for some years
[16:50] <RoyK> it's not good
[16:50] <RoyK> the misdn drivers are also buggy
[16:50] <RoyK> most of asterisk is buggy
[16:51] <RoyK> since digium doesn't really want to spend money on fixing the code
[16:53] <Igramul> Well, buggy software is used all over the world. I already have a prototype for my phone system. However, that's based on Ubuntu 9 server and chan-capi.
[16:53] <Igramul> Should I stick with chan-capi or use misdn?
[16:53] <RoyK> is Klaus Peter's code still alive? :)
[16:54] <RoyK> I guess capi will be better
[16:54] <RoyK> that is, I don't know
[16:54] <RoyK> I haven't been in that business for two years
[16:54] <RoyK> and I hope I won't go back there
[16:55] <Igramul> hmm - it's not for business in my case, I want to use it for the phone system in my new house.
[16:55] <RoyK> asterisk is a piece of shit
[16:55] <Igramul> Anything better in sight?
[16:55] <RoyK> freeswitch is probably better
[17:03] <funkyHat> RoyK: watch your language please ⢁)
[17:10] <RoyK> funkyHat: watch my hat
[17:10]  * funkyHat watches
[17:10] <RoyK> is funkyHat some sort of christian bot in here?
[17:11] <RoyK> last I checked I wasn't using any words not in the Oxford dictionary
[17:11] <ScottK> RoyK: No.  In Ubuntu channels we do prefer to keep language a bit milder that is common in non-Ubuntu channels.
[17:12] <RoyK> I keep my language to what's in the dictionary
[17:12] <funkyHat> RoyK: in Ubuntu channels we try to keep the discussion family friendly, that includes not swearing.
[17:12] <RoyK> if any religious prats want me to afrain from using the whole of it, be my guest
[17:14] <RoyK> how many kids are using ubuntu servers?
[17:14] <RoyK> and of those kids, which of them aren't used to "swearing"?
[17:15] <funkyHat> RoyK: this is not the proper place for discussion of the rules. If you want to do that please join #ubuntu-ops
[17:15] <ScottK> RoyK: You don't get a special exception from the rules.  There are adults that are uncomfortable with it too.  We want to be open to as broad an audience as possible.
[17:16] <RoyK> ScottK: so stopping people's mouths are opening up the scociety?
[17:16] <RoyK> is ubuntu religiously founded or something?
[17:16] <ScottK> RoyK: Your right to freedom of speech does not include the right to be an ass.
[17:16] <ScottK> No.
[17:16] <RoyK> being an ass is not the same as utilising the English language
[17:17] <RoyK> I didn't accuse anyone for anything
[17:17] <RoyK> I just said my meanings about a certain piece of software
[17:18] <RoyK> using other words won't make it better
[17:18] <RoyK> just worse
[17:19] <ScottK> RoyK: You could have communicated the same thing in other ways.
[17:19] <RoyK> why?
[17:20] <ScottK> Because using language that is offensive to some is not how we do things here.
[17:20]  * ScottK is done.
[17:20] <ScottK> As funkyHat said, this isn't the channel to debate the standards.
[17:20] <RoyK> it doesn't matter which words that are used
[17:53] <SuperLag> wow.
[19:58] <dthacker> Hello.  I've built a postfix server with virtual domains that gets it's account info from MySQL.   The last three users I've added have not had their virtual directories created under /home/vmail/example.org   I'd like to get a pointer to the component that's failing?
[20:02] <dominicdinada> !hostname
[20:07] <dominicdinada> !fstab
[20:16] <metalf88011> isn't there a command that will show me the path to a file?
[20:18] <metalf88011> never mind I was thinking of pwd...  I can't think straight right now
[20:35] <ne7work> hello all please someone help me with proftpd
[20:38]  * SpamapS waves magic wand over ne7work's proftpd
[20:38] <ne7work> SpamapS?
[20:38] <SpamapS> ne7work: well thats all I can do if I don't know what your issue is. :)
[20:39] <dominicdinada> ne7work: i see you asking in both channels whats the problem ne7work
[20:39]  * SpamapS actually must be going
[20:39] <SpamapS> bbl
[20:39]  * SpamapS is afk
[20:39] <ne7work> how to choose directory /var/www
[20:39] <ne7work> to home directory for ftp clients?
[20:40] <dominicdinada> your using proftpd ?
[20:40] <ne7work> dominicdinada yes
[20:40] <ne7work> i install proftpd
[20:40] <dominicdinada> also why would u wanna give the webroot as the home directory
[20:40] <ne7work> yes
[20:41] <dominicdinada> is this for your personal use in the home network to edit web files ?
[20:41] <dominicdinada> if so use samba
[20:41] <dominicdinada> !samba
[20:46] <dominicdinada> need a hand with fstab :/
[20:47] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, shoot, i'm not very good with it, but still :)
[20:47] <dominicdinada> well then Id rather wait i am trying to mount a fat32 external drive :)
[20:48] <dominicdinada> hopefully by drive label
[20:48] <sh1ny> so what's stopping you ?
[20:48] <ne7work> dominicdinada i have ftp user
[20:48] <ne7work> where i can see the password for user ftp
[20:50] <dominicdinada> you still missed my question ne7work if you are running a ftp-server pointing at your webroot it seems you are trying to set it up so you can remote edit or make files correct?
[20:50] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, you can see the device labels with blkid and mount it as vfat ?
[20:51] <dominicdinada> sh1ny: because I want to make sure I am getting the right line for fstab cause the server has no moniter/kb/mouse and if it goes down well...... you get the idea
[20:51] <sh1ny> http://www.technixupdate.com/mount-ntfs-fat32-windows-drive-in-ubuntu/
[20:51] <dominicdinada> not in fstab it needs to be mounted at boot... otherwise it requires a user login
[20:51] <sh1ny> mount -t vfat -o umask=000 /dev/sda1 /media/disk
[20:52] <dominicdinada> sh1ny again stop typing your missing the entire point... on server at reboot it doesnt even acknowledge the drive is there until a user logsin
[20:53] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, yea i get the idea, i support over a hundred debian/ubuntu servers ....
[20:53] <dominicdinada> so it needs to be loaded in fstab
[20:53] <sh1ny> well
[20:53] <sh1ny> the command i pasted above can be put in fstab accordingly ?
[20:53] <dominicdinada> ok
[20:54] <sh1ny> like the UUID ( you get it from blkid ) /mountpoint type options pass
[20:54] <sh1ny> so it will be like
[20:55] <sh1ny> UUID=6e94f1fc-e990-406b-a9f8-bc5f9c9981a9	/somewhere	vfat	umask=000	0	0
[20:56] <dominicdinada> /dev/sdb1: LABEL="meinna" UUID="A6B8AE51B8AE1FB3" TYPE="ntfs"
[20:56] <dominicdinada> !fstab
[20:57] <sh1ny> this is what i have for my windows partition
[20:57] <sh1ny> UUID=FE50CA0F50C9CF19	/media/disk	ntfs-3g	defaults,locale=en_US.utf8	0	0
[20:57] <sh1ny> works for me
[20:57] <dominicdinada> you dont need defaults.... right ?
[20:57] <dominicdinada> brb
[20:59] <SlipperyChicken> anyone looking at the prices of hard drives on Newegg.[com][ca] ?
[21:00] <SlipperyChicken> debating whether to get a cheap 1.5 or a WD/Seagate 2.0TB
[21:01] <sh1ny> first, i'd go with WD, then i am not sure how tested 2TB drives are atm
[21:01] <GoremanX> I have Ubuntu 10.04 setup as a test web hosting server that I'm evaluating for migrating our sites to. Our current server is Ubuntu 9.10. But this new server, while sitting idle, is giving me some strange load numbers (when I check "uptime"): load average: 0.76, 0.70, 0.66. The old 9.10 server never shows numbers that high. It's a single-core system.
[21:01] <SlipperyChicken> sh1ny, what about seagates 1.5 ?
[21:02] <sh1ny> SlipperyChicken, i am biased :)
[21:02] <dominicdinada> SlipperyChicken: www.pricewatch.com
[21:02] <SlipperyChicken> dominicdinada, noted.
[21:02] <sh1ny> SlipperyChicken, i use WD only, so far 1TB's , but as i use stuff for mission critical servers, i'd rather stick with things that are well tested
[21:03] <SlipperyChicken> samsung has a 1.5 for 105 CAD... like..
[21:03]  * SlipperyChicken sighs
[21:03] <dominicdinada> samsung i dont like
[21:03] <dominicdinada> the best drives i ever had were maxtor
[21:03] <SlipperyChicken> arn't they in those Dell PowerEdge server ?
[21:03] <sh1ny> SlipperyChicken, join the dark si...errr WD side :P
[21:04] <GoremanX> the most failed drives I've ever had were from Maxtor :) experiences vary greatly when it comes to hard drives
[21:04] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, did it work ?
[21:04] <dominicdinada> sh1ny i am also not impressed with WD either :(
[21:04] <SlipperyChicken> interesting how HD's becoming the ATI vs Intel debate.
[21:04] <GoremanX> my best experiences so far have always been with WD drives
[21:04] <dominicdinada> GoremanX: I say the same thing in regards to WD also most corrupted drives i ever owned so i went to all Maxtors
[21:04] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, lately i get hwraids blowing up way more often than the drives themselves :(
[21:04] <dominicdinada> HD debates have always been around
[21:05] <GoremanX> it's all a big lottery
[21:05] <SlipperyChicken> WD's green tech is pretty nifty.
[21:05] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, on the interesting side i have a samsung in my desktop, working 24/7 for the last 7 years...still 0 bad blocks
[21:05] <dominicdinada> depending on the enviroments and etc.... but ya Im pro Maxtor for live....
[21:05] <GoremanX> my 1 TB Green drive continues to function flawlessly as a backup recipient in my home server after 2 years
[21:05] <SlipperyChicken> anyone tried a "green" drive and benchmark it ?
[21:05] <dominicdinada> life*
[21:05] <GoremanX> it gets countless gigs written to it every day
[21:05] <sh1ny> so yea, to sum it up, it's 2 kinds of people - those with fried hdd's and those whos hdd's are about to fry :P
[21:06] <GoremanX> meanwhile, can someone help me with my Average Load issue? :)
[21:06] <sh1ny> GoremanX, what's causing the load ?
[21:06] <GoremanX> I have no clue, the system is idle
[21:06] <GoremanX> top shows nothing
[21:06] <sh1ny> GoremanX, i still haven't upgraded my servers to lucid , i usually wait till mid summer
[21:06] <dominicdinada> sh1ny: maybe me being anti Samsung came years back when they were horrible drives and chose never to use them again after losing entire drives
[21:06] <GoremanX> well, nothing interesting
[21:07] <dominicdinada> but on the brighter note when my WD drives went down I could at least externally access them to get the data
[21:07] <guntbert> GoremanX: "top shows nothing" but top shows the same system load values?
[21:07] <sh1ny> GoremanX, hm , no idea, as far as my testing goes, i only know that lucid behaves weird when run in KVM on a karmic host, that's all :(
[21:08] <GoremanX> they're EC2 instances. I have monitoring enabled. The 10.04's monitor shows almost no CPU activity, but the "load average" reported by uptime is consistently in the 0.75 range
[21:08] <SlipperyChicken> dominicdinada, i've got some data at home that needs to be redundant, basicly putting all my work docs, media, vm's, everyhting into a raid.  would it be most cost effective to get one descent drive (WD 2,0TB) and a cheaper samsung 2.0 to back up to.... or get 2x 1.5's that are medium and keep them in RAID-1 all the time ?  Opinions open to all. :)
[21:09] <GoremanX> meanwhile, the instance has 1.7 GB of ram, and apparently only 300 MB of that is free despite the server sitting idle
[21:09] <dominicdinada> SlipperyChicken: well i dont know why that was towards me but you shouldnt backup everything to  1 drive :/ kinda defeats the purpose because if that 1 drive fails you still loose everything
[21:10] <SlipperyChicken> GoremanX, take your used subtract your cached from it.  that will be you actual in use RAM.
[21:10] <SlipperyChicken> i think.
[21:10] <sh1ny> SlipperyChicken, never, and by that i mean NEVER get cheap stuff for backup
[21:10] <sh1ny> SlipperyChicken, i learned that the hard way, so i don't recommend it to anyone
[21:10] <SlipperyChicken> dominicdinada, sh1ny, agreed.
[21:10] <GoremanX> ah, that makes a little more sense. Forgot about the cached memory
[21:11] <dominicdinada> sh1ny: you can also make hard copies ie DVD's
[21:11] <sh1ny> SlipperyChicken, if you really have to, make sure it's on a pc that doesn't spin all the time
[21:11] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, agreed, i use tape for that where appropirate
[21:11] <dominicdinada> unless your working with CAD, Movie software, etc 4.7gigs is alot to back up docs etc...
[21:11] <dominicdinada> sh1ny tape is so 80s
[21:11] <SlipperyChicken> sh1ny, it's going to be a little homemade NAS box, hopefully be able to spin the drives down.
[21:12] <dominicdinada> tape = 30hds backup/restore    ungodly slow
[21:12] <dominicdinada> 30hrs*
[21:12] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, tape is standards and i got companies that must comply with their rules and standards
[21:12] <GoremanX> top - 16:11:52 up 16:00,  1 user,  load average: 0.94, 0.83, 0.74
[21:12] <GoremanX> Tasks: 107 total,   1 running, 106 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[21:12] <sh1ny> GoremanX, 0.94 is pretty low loadavg :P
[21:12] <dominicdinada> sh1ny dvd would write the data 100% faster
[21:12] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, i agree
[21:12] <GoremanX> I thought 1.0 was maxed out core
[21:12] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, but most of the time the choice is not mine
[21:12] <dominicdinada> sh1ny also with tape you run risk to damage of the tapes
[21:13] <GoremanX> my 9.10 instance consistently shows 0.15 or less
[21:13] <dominicdinada> sh1ny: you could suggest a new technology to them :)
[21:13] <SlipperyChicken> i recently took on the responsibilty of the head admin at this company i work for.
[21:13] <SlipperyChicken> asked them if they tested their tapes.
[21:13] <dominicdinada> think of all the cost savings.... time saved
[21:13] <SlipperyChicken> they didn't.
[21:13] <sh1ny> dominicdinada, not when you use new tapes every time then post them to a bank deposit safe :S
[21:13] <SlipperyChicken> so i checked them....
[21:13] <SlipperyChicken> 4 of 5 had bacd blocks.
[21:13] <SlipperyChicken> bad *
[21:14] <sh1ny> hehe
[21:14] <dominicdinada> SlipperyChicken: well we all know the lesson learned tape backups are outdated and often unreliable
[21:14] <SlipperyChicken> tapes just can't do it anymore.
[21:14] <SlipperyChicken> indeed.
[21:14] <SlipperyChicken> you drop them on the floor and they're prolly junk.
[21:15] <sh1ny> ok , bedtime for me, have a good night
[21:15] <dominicdinada> dvds are a cheap and reliable solution provided you use proper care IE dont have a stack of dvd's sitting there burn and put each into its own jewel case and protect
[21:15] <SlipperyChicken> meanwhile, my 16GB usb has gone through the wash 3 times... and still works.
[21:15] <SlipperyChicken> dominicdinada, they don't last long.
[21:16] <guntbert> GoremanX: no, 0.94 is not maxed out in any way (even on a single core) but I agree that the value is high for an idle machine - I once was able to explain, but today ....
[21:16] <dominicdinada> SlipperyChicken: what doesnt last long ?
[21:16] <SlipperyChicken> 5 years or something ?
[21:16] <guntbert> !ot | SlipperyChicken, dominicdinada
[21:17] <dominicdinada> guntbert: we are talking about server backups and what should be used
[21:17]  * SlipperyChicken sighs
[21:17] <GoremanX> I'm a bit concerned about migrating my sites to a server that's behaving this oddly
[21:17] <dominicdinada> GoremanX: like you said you wait till summer and it should be fixed by then
[21:18]  * GoremanX looks out window... looks like summer to me! :)
[21:18] <guntbert> GoremanX: it might be better anyway to wait until the first "point" release comes out (should be around july, I heard)
[21:18] <GoremanX> *sigh* I was really looking forward to running php 5.3 :(
[21:19] <GoremanX> oh well
[21:19] <dominicdinada> GoremanX: poor guy :)
[21:20] <GoremanX> thanks for the feedback!
[21:20] <elspru> how do I check to see if postfix is working?
[21:20] <SlipperyChicken> one final question:  right now ... 1.0TB , 1.5TB, 2.0TB to last for at least 1 year.  which one everyone ? :)
[21:20] <elspru> like send or receive an email?
[21:22] <elspru> SlipperyChicken: the lower density, the longer life expectancy, general rule
[21:22] <dominicdinada> SlipperyChicken: how often are you doing backups and what kind of backups ? full or ?
[21:28] <dominicdinada> !devicekit
[21:28] <dominicdinada> !udisk
[21:32] <SlipperyChicken> dominicdinada, weekly diff.
[21:33] <SlipperyChicken> if i put a drive into existing RAID.
[21:33] <Jenni0> hi
[21:33] <Jenni0> our admin group got removed from /etc/sudoers by accident
[21:33] <Jenni0> how can we get sudo? :p
[21:34] <SlipperyChicken> Jenni0, log in with root
[21:34] <SlipperyChicken> or boot into single user.
[21:34] <Jenni0> i thought root was disabled on ubuntu
[21:34] <Jenni0> only sudo users?
[21:34] <SlipperyChicken> not if you boot into single.
[21:34] <SlipperyChicken> it bypasses.
[21:34] <Jenni0> root doesnt have a password...
[21:34] <Jenni0> how can we login
[21:34] <elspru> so any idea how to test postfix?
[21:34] <SlipperyChicken> it won't ask you for one.
[21:35] <elspru> like how to send mail using it from command line?
[21:35] <SlipperyChicken> elspru, mutt.
[21:35] <SlipperyChicken> or mail -s "blah"
[21:47] <poningru> elspru, telnet into 25
[21:47] <poningru> and then speak smtp to it
[21:51] <elspru> hmm well it doesn't work
[21:52] <elspru> i didn't receive the email
[21:53] <dominicdinada> !udisks
[21:54] <elspru> so where are the logs kept?
[21:54] <elspru> i'm having a tough time finding them.
[21:54] <elspru> for postfix
[21:54] <elspru> is there any easy way of getting a mail server working on ubuntu?
[21:55] <elspru> maybe there are simpler more reliable mail servers? that work
[22:10] <xomp> hi, I was instructed to ask my question in here so here goes :) could someone please help me with SFTP'ing into my ubuntu VPS? I'm getting an error in WinSCP of http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/323/sftp.jpg
[22:16] <elspru> xomp: try putty http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
[22:16] <xomp> I can use putty to SSH into the server fine
[22:16] <elspru> psftp
[22:16] <xomp> it's just when I try to use WinSCP to SFTP into it is where the problem comes :(
[22:16] <elspru> well scp is different from sftp
[22:17] <xomp> oh ok
[22:18] <xomp> "Out of Memory" error when trying to use psftp
[22:18] <elspru> check your hardisk, and that of the serve,r, to see which is "out of memory"
[22:19] <xomp> everywhere I turn it points to some sort of .login or .profile issue
[22:19] <xomp> there is plenty of resources on the server
[22:24] <xomp> I guess there is no figuring this one out
[22:25] <xomp> tried touch ~/.hushlogin
[22:25] <xomp> same thing
[22:25] <xomp> out of memory
[22:25] <elspru> hmmm
[22:25] <elspru> might be permision on ~/.profile
[22:25] <elspru> or ~/.login
[22:26] <elspru> needs to be writeable
[22:26] <xomp> I actually don't have a ~/.login
[22:26] <xomp> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  141 Oct 20  2007 .profile
[22:26] <elspru> sometimes when it can't write, it claims it's full
[22:26] <f1yback> xomp, I have noticed winscp has some bugs
[22:26] <f1yback> also about a 2-3 meg/sec transfer speed limit
[22:26] <elspru> xomp: ya certainly seems like permission issue
[22:26] <xomp> f1yback, happens in WinSCP, psftp, Filezilla :(
[22:26] <f1yback> oh
[22:27] <elspru> unless that's the root users .profile
[22:27] <xomp> elspru, it's the root users .profile :3
[22:27] <xomp> Oct 20 2007 though?
[22:27] <elspru> it's okay then
[22:27] <xomp> I just signed up with this host yesterday lol
[22:28] <elspru> well then get them to fix it :-). even if server has lots of resources, doesn't mean you've been allocated much.
[22:28] <xomp> they won't fix because it's an unmanaged server :P
[22:29] <xomp> I guess I can live with not having SFTP access and edit files for the 2 websites I run all via command line making it such a cumbersome chore that I'll likely kill my whole family over out of pure frustration :P
[22:29] <elspru> so did you try psftp.exe?
[22:29] <xomp> or try to use their god awful filemanager to edit small files and pray it doesn't hang on uploading :/
[22:30] <xomp> elspru, yeah, got out of memory error with it too
[22:30] <xomp> Filezilla also uses psftp.exe for it's SFTP connections and it throws the same error too
[22:30] <elspru> hmmm, well it seems like a server side issue.
[22:30] <elspru> sftp might have been disabled.
[22:31] <elspru> can try resinstalling openssh and restoring default config files
[22:31] <xomp> The error message seems to indicate that the service is not properly configured on the server.
[22:31] <xomp> Yes, You will have to contact your server admin to resolve this issue as we do not provide technical support for unmanaged services.
[22:31] <xomp> I am the server admin :3
[22:31] <elspru> so reinstall
[22:31] <xomp> would a reinstall really work you think?
[22:32] <elspru> did you install it?
[22:32] <xomp> no, it was installed already
[22:32] <elspru> so it might help, especially if someone was using it beforehand.
[22:32] <xomp> ok, how would I reinstall it?
[22:32] <elspru> it would be good to have a fresh installation for yourself anyhow.
[22:33] <xomp> it should have been a fresh install to be honest
[22:33] <xomp> it's an unmanaged ubuntu VPS heh
[22:33] <elspru> sudo apt-get remove openssh-server; sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[22:34] <xomp> ok it's reinstalled :)
[22:34] <xomp> lets see what this gets us
[22:34] <xomp> argh.. exact same thing :(
[22:35] <xomp> oh wait
[22:35] <xomp> it failed in WinsSCP but is working with Filezilla/psFTP :D
[22:36] <xomp> oh wait now
[22:36] <xomp> no*
[22:36] <xomp> Error:	Out of memory!
[22:36] <xomp> Error:	Could not connect to server
[22:36] <xomp> I connected to my other working VPS and thought it was fixed earlier haha
[22:40] <xomp> looking at ~/.bashrc for my working VPS compared to this new non-working VPS shows them to be identical
[22:41] <xomp> so it shouldn't be a .bashrc issue
[22:42] <xomp> same exact .profile between the 2 servers too haha
[22:43] <xomp> sorry if I sound a bit frustrated, I've been trying to fix this for the past 11 hours now and have made no progress at all
[22:43] <xomp> 10 hours spent waiting in #ubuntu for someone to help while trying to research it on google myself :(
[22:55] <f1yback> CANUCK
[22:55] <f1yback> CANUCK
[22:55] <jpds> f1yback: Hi.
[22:55] <f1yback> hi
[23:06] <enav> i got noob question   when i run  ls-l  on terminal....  what is the meaning of the "d"  on this output   drwxr-xr-x
[23:06] <jpds> directory.
[23:08] <enav> is just and indicarto really?
[23:08] <enav> indicator
[23:08] <jpds> Yep.
[23:08] <enav> d for directoryes and  -   for  files
[23:08] <enav> thanks mate
[23:09] <jpds> l for symlinks, etc.


[00:46] <Emerling> Hi World Free
[00:54] <pleia2> hello Emerling :)
[00:54] <Emerling> Hi friend thanks, Excuse me my English is bad
[00:54] <pleia2> we're rounding up board members and will start soon
[00:55] <pleia2> no problem
[00:55] <Emerling> ok i'm ready
[00:55] <pleia2> mi espanol es muy malo :)
[00:55] <Emerling> I undestand
[00:59] <dinda> Evening all
[01:00] <Emerling> dinda, good evening
[01:02] <pleia2> #startmeetin
[01:02] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[01:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:02. The chair is pleia2.
[01:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[01:02] <pleia2> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for September 15th, 2010! The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[01:03] <pleia2> We only have one applicant on the list this evening, so we shouldn't have trouble getting through the list :)
[01:03] <pleia2> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[01:03] <pleia2> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[01:03] <pleia2> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[01:04] <pleia2> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[01:04] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Emerling membership
[01:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Emerling membership
[01:05] <dinda> Welcome Emerling
[01:05] <Emerling> dinda, thanks
[01:05] <beuno> hola Emerling!
[01:05] <Emerling> hola beuno
[01:05] <easter_egg> Emerling, bien venido
[01:05] <dinda> good wiki page
[01:05] <Emerling> gracias easter_egg
[01:06] <pleia2> Emerling: please tell us a little about yourself :)
[01:06] <Emerling> I use Ubuntu since version 5.10 and I echo ubuntu conferences since 2007. without belonging to any group or team. in 2008 met LoCo Team Venezuela and I automatically fell in love with this community, thanks to Rolando Blanco and Efrain Valles. (Effijayxs). and since then I believe in the ideology of ubuntu and I think everyone needs a better future operating systems and computing in general.
[01:08] <pleia2> Emerling: carabobo-ubuntu.org.ve doesn't have a lot on it, what kind of events does the team do?
[01:09] <Emerling> carabobo is Regional team of ubuntu-ve
[01:09] <Emerling> today have one yeras old i m funder
[01:10] <Emerling> we pardticped in very conferences and festivals
[01:10] <Emerling> flisol, CNSL etc
[01:10] <pleia2> great :)
[01:11] <dinda> Emerling:  what did you do at fisol?
[01:11] <Emerling> but there is still much to do, we had over 10 events in participation with other lugs
[01:12] <Emerling>  I gave a conference and I was part of the organization
[01:12] <beuno> Emerling, hola
[01:12] <Emerling> hola beuno  hi
[01:12] <beuno> Emerling, contanos un poco mas
[01:12] <beuno> Emerling, en cuantos eventos participaste?
[01:13] <Emerling>  aprox 20
[01:13] <Emerling> en 2 yeras
[01:13] <Emerling> years
[01:13] <beuno> Emerling, podemos pasar al castellano si es mas facil
[01:13] <easter_egg> Emerling, mui bueno
[01:13] <beuno> dinda, pleia2 y maco dicen que pueden entender
[01:14] <Emerling> ok he participado en 20 eventos aprox en 2 años y estoy organizando varios equipos
[01:14] <beuno> y yo pregunto  :)
[01:14] <Emerling> en varias ciudades
[01:14] <beuno> Emerling, y que haces generalmente en los eventos?
[01:14] <Emerling> soy parte de la organizacion y siempre, pero siempre doy algunas conferencias en temas basicos y d enivel medio
[01:14] <Emerling> I am part of the organization and always, always give some lectures on basic topics enivel d half
[01:15] <Emerling> level half
[01:15] <beuno> Emerling, tuviste algo de participacion afuera del LoCo de Venezuela?
[01:16] <Emerling> if, before I get into ubuntu and conferencelectured Venezuela
[01:16] <beuno> Emerling, no hace falta que traduzcas al ingles, vayamos en castellano
[01:16] <Emerling> ok
[01:16] <easter_egg> Emerling, CNSL en Portugal?
[01:16] <Emerling> tambien soy parte de la traduccion de ubuntu al wayuunaiki idioma de la etnia indigena wayuu
[01:16] <Emerling> entre venezuela y colombia
[01:16] <beuno> Emerling, contanos un poco mas de las traducciones
[01:16] <beuno> donde haces las traducciones?
[01:17] <beuno> Launchpad?
[01:17] <Emerling> si
[01:18] <C3s4r> Emerling, pega el enlace acá por favor.
[01:18] <beuno> Emerling, en tu perfil de Launchpad no figuran traducciones desde el 2009
[01:18] <Emerling> yo intente usaruna aplicacion para traducir offline pero me gustó usar via on line
[01:18] <beuno> puede ser?
[01:18] <Emerling> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-guc
[01:19] <beuno> https://edge.launchpad.net/~emerling/+karma
[01:19] <easter_egg> Emerling, Usted tiene un usuario separado para las traducciones?
[01:19] <beuno> hola C3s4r!
[01:19] <Emerling> yo, organizo en las conferencias, y contatcos a personas que estan y quieren ayudar al proyecto de traducir y ellos colaboran, auqneu aun estamos en trabajo de colaboracion
[01:19] <beuno> C3s4r, justo para apoyar a Emerling   :)
[01:20] <pleia2> hola C3s4r :)
[01:20] <Emerling> del resto uso diccionarios de español a wayuunaiki
[01:20] <beuno> Emerling, trabajaste con Fabian Rodriguez?
[01:21] <Emerling> no recuerdo
[01:21] <beuno> Emerling, no parece muy activo el proyecto de traduccion
[01:21] <Emerling> generalmente con efraiun valles (effijaix)
[01:21] <nejode> effie_jayx
[01:22] <Emerling> si, desde dic, he tenido algunas dudas por yo no hablo el idioma., y he preferido organizar a los traductores
[01:22] <Emerling> y ewnseñarles a trabajar
[01:22] <Emerling> para lograr la traduccion
[01:23] <C3s4r> beuno, hola
[01:23] <C3s4r> beuno, te cuento que Emerling tiene una gran participación con el LoCo Teams.
[01:24]  * beuno nods
[01:24] <C3s4r> beuno, Emerling ahorita es mi apoyo para coordinar los equipos de trabajo que se planteo para darle oportunidad a toda la comunidad en administrar algún servicio.
[01:25] <beuno> C3s4r, buen testimonio
[01:25] <beuno> I'm ready to vote
[01:25] <C3s4r> beuno, por otra parte, se le dio la oportunidad de crear un equipo local con el apoyo del LoCo Teams, y hemos estado coordinando varias reuniones para las traducciones al Wuayunaiki.
[01:25] <beuno> pleia2, dinda, maco?
[01:25] <dinda> ready here
[01:26] <maco> sí
[01:26] <pleia2> [VOTE] Emerling membership
[01:26] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Emerling membership.
[01:26] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:26] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[01:26] <pleia2> +1
[01:26] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:26] <beuno> +1
[01:26] <maco> +1
[01:26] <MootBot> +1 received from maco. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:26] <MootBot> +1 received from beuno. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:26] <dinda> +1
[01:26] <MootBot> +1 received from dinda. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:26] <pleia2> [endvote]
[01:26] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[01:26] <pleia2> welcome, Emerling!
[01:26] <Emerling>  thanks
[01:26] <beuno> bienvenido Emerling!
[01:26] <C3s4r> Emerling, Felicitaciones :D
[01:26] <Emerling> it is not just to get a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is much more treatises, a commitment to represent an operating system with dignity and value effort to improve, to accept your faults and mistakes but learn from those mistakes and faults. is ironic to imagine trying to be more commitment and duties, when we have too and enough in our lives, but the reason is motivation. to feel part of something serious and important and above all do with the heart.
[01:27] <dinda> congratulations Emerling!
[01:27] <Emerling> gracias amigos
[01:27] <JamUnix> Felicitaciones !!! Emerling
[01:27] <dinda> hope to see you at some event some day :)
[01:27] <Emerling> gracias james_w
[01:27] <easter_egg> =]
[01:27] <Emerling> sure dinda
[01:27] <ElWuilMeR> Felicitaciones Emerling sinceramente lo mereces.! A continuar trabajando...
[01:27] <pleia2> thanks for coming everyone :)
[01:27] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[01:27] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:27.
[01:27] <Emerling> gracias team venezuela
[01:27] <Emerling> gracias team carabobo
[01:27] <Niove> Felicidades y mucho éxitos, Emerling
[01:28] <C3s4r> Emerling, ;)
[01:28] <Emerling> i happy :D
[01:28] <Emerling> gracias Niove
[01:28] <nejode> Keep up the good work Emerling !!
[01:29] <Emerling> gracias nejode  fuiste parte esencial para mi y el equipode carabobo
[01:29] <Emerling> ahora con mas ganas d etrabajar y muchas ideas
[01:32] <ntovar> felicitaciones Emerling
[01:32] <Emerling> gracias ntovar  amigo nelo
[05:16] <Guest95561> Buenas instale Ubuntu 10.04 y tengo problemas alguien que me pueda ayudar?
[15:58] <ttx> o/
[15:58] <ogra> moo
[15:59]  * skaet waves to ttx, ogra ;)
[16:00] <skaet> ...  its looking like its about that time.
[16:00]  * marjo waves
[16:01] <skaet> ah good,  first on the agenda is around ;)
[16:01]  * ttx bows to the release masters
[16:01] <skaet> lol
[16:01] <skaet> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is skaet.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:01]  * kenvandine waves
[16:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team update
[16:02]  * joshuahoover waves
[16:02] <marjo> Hardware testing
[16:02] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:02] <marjo> Laptops
[16:02] <marjo>     Passed:   42 (89%)    Failed:    0 ( 0%)    Untested:  5 (11%)
[16:02] <marjo> Servers:
[16:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:02] <marjo> Desktops:
[16:02] <marjo>     Passed:    6 (43%)    Failed:    0 ( 0%)    Untested:  8 (57%)
[16:02] <marjo> Cause of untested desktops is under investigation today.
[16:03] <marjo> Boot Performance
[16:03] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~ameetp/BootChart.html
[16:03] <marjo> Boot Performance Week of 2010-09-13 to 2010-09-17
[16:03] <marjo> -------------------------------------------------
[16:03] <marjo> Number of system regressions on Ubuntu Desktop: 0
[16:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~ameetp/BootChart.html
[16:03] <marjo> Unresolved Critical/High Release Targeted Bugs
[16:03] <marjo>     * 625076:checkbox fails to verify ssl validity in data exchange with launchpad.net
[16:03] <marjo>    - Fix released
[16:04] <marjo> Work Items Status
[16:04] <marjo>  * http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-platform-qa-ubuntu-10.10.html
[16:04] <marjo>  * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-maverick-automated-server-testing
[16:04] <marjo>  hggdh will focus on finishing the last two remaining test cases
[16:04] <marjo>  * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-maverick-bugsquad-roadmap
[16:04] <marjo>  ara is making good progress on both
[16:04] <marjo> burndown chart looks good and work items are making good progress towards release
[16:04] <marjo> skaet: that's it from QA team
[16:05] <skaet> marjo,  thanks!  any questions?
[16:05] <marjo> skaet: thx
[16:05] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team update
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security team update
[16:05] <jdstrand> o/
[16:06] <skaet> 8/
[16:06]  * jdstrand lied about not being able to attend in google
[16:06] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:06] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-security.html
[16:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-security.html
[16:06] <jdstrand> With regard to the burndown chart, what is left for us is not tied to
[16:06] <jdstrand> the release, so we are good there.
[16:06] <jdstrand> We got AppArmor 2.5.1rc1 uploaded, which fixes several issues with the
[16:06] <jdstrand> userspace tools and the maverick kernel. We want 2.5.1final in maverick
[16:06] <jdstrand> eventually because it fixes a few more issues when using a non-Ubuntu
[16:06] <jdstrand> mainline kernel without the compatibility patches (LP: #626984). We
[16:06] <jdstrand> expect this to happen as part of the debugging process the kernel team
[16:06] <jdstrand> typically employs where they point users to a build of an upstream
[16:06] <jdstrand> kernel. Since this doesn't affect maverick directly, we've milestoned it
[16:06] <jdstrand> for maverick-updates.
[16:06] <jdstrand> bug #626984
[16:07] <jdstrand> beyond that, we are in good shape
[16:07] <skaet> jdstrand,  thanks!
[16:07] <jdstrand> sure :)
[16:07] <skaet> any questions for security?
[16:08] <skaet> ok then,   moving right along...
[16:08] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team update
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel team update
[16:08] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:08] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.10.html
[16:08] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.10.html
[16:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:08] <ogasawara> For the bugs noted in the agenda, status is as follows:
[16:08] <ogasawara> Bug 633392 - Have asked for testing and confirmation against a Maverick kernel.
[16:09] <ogasawara> Bug 628029 - Assigned to kernel dev (lag) and the fix appears straightforward.  However, ogra commented that the hw might not be ready for it.
[16:09] <ogasawara> Bug 615722 - We don't support a fsl-imx51 kernel in Maverick.  Still waiting for clarification from the assigned kernel dev (cooloney).
[16:09] <ogasawara> Bug 613083 - Assigned to kernel dev (jjohansen) and being investigated.
[16:09] <ogasawara> I'd also moved two bugs that were under our section on the agenda to other teams as one was against pulseaudio and the other against plymouth.  The remaining bugs are either closed as Invalid or Fix Released for Maverick.
[16:09] <skaet> sweet
[16:09] <ogasawara> As a general status, we've uploaded what we hope to be the final Maverick kernel, 2.6.35-22.32.  This kernel contains some high priority security fixes, reverts some KMS disablement patches, and pulls in a number of upstream stable bug fixes.  We continue to be below the trend line for our overall burn down chart and all remaining work items are not release critical.
[16:09] <ogasawara> There is chatter just this morning of broken touchpads that we're trying to track down and might requi
[16:09] <ogasawara> re a last minute upload :(
[16:10] <ogasawara> Have pushed test kernels for confirmation.
[16:10] <ogasawara> Questions?
[16:10] <jjohansen> Bug 613083 - is entirely Amazon, and they are addressing the issue
[16:11] <skaet> if there needs to be another kernel - what other bugs are in the queue to be resolved with it?
[16:11] <ogasawara> skaet: there might be one patch for macbooks which don't boot the livecd
[16:11] <apw> we have a macbook pro live CD boot fix in the pipe
[16:11] <cjwatson> oh, is that the kernel's fault?
[16:12] <cjwatson> there's also an issue with syslinux and old macbooks, apparently (unlikely to be fixed)
[16:12] <cjwatson> may or may not be the same thing (probably not, thinking about it)
[16:12] <ogasawara> skaet: there is also a patch to resolve a null pointer dereference for LIRC
[16:12] <cjwatson> smagoun was reporting it
[16:13] <apw> cjwatson, this is specific to graphics, black screen on those models
[16:13] <cjwatson> ok
[16:13] <cjwatson> not the same then
[16:13] <skaet> ogasawara,  thanks , good to know.
[16:14] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:14] <apw> if we do decide to spin the kernel when is the drop dead date for the release team
[16:14] <skaet> robbiew: ^^
[16:14]  * cjwatson hates giving drop-dead dates, we always end up dropping dead
[16:14] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:14] <apw> cjwatson, heh yeah there is that
[16:14] <skaet> lol
[16:15] <apw> perhaps we should say we'll get you a recommendation today
[16:15] <robbiew> apw: that works
[16:15] <cjwatson> up to next Thursday would be unlikely to cause significant practical problems, IMO
[16:15] <cjwatson> beyond that will be a headache
[16:15] <robbiew> yeah
[16:15]  * robbiew remembers Intrepid...and cries a bit
[16:15] <skaet> cjwatson, robbiew - thanks.  :)
[16:16] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team update
[16:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations team update
[16:16] <cjwatson> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#RC%20Milestoned%20bugs
[16:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#RC%20Milestoned%20bugs
[16:16] <cjwatson> ... for full details of bugs, read above
[16:16] <cjwatson> Bug:606373 - cloud-init output does not get to console when booted with pv-grub and ramdisk
[16:16] <cjwatson>  * The plymouth part of this seems to have been worked around in cloud-init 0.5.15-0ubuntu2.  Can the server team please confirm?
[16:16] <cjwatson> We're getting down to the intractable bugs (remote bootloader debugging, hard-to-reproduce failures ...) at this point, which may require release-noting.
[16:16] <cjwatson> Work still in progress:
[16:16] <cjwatson>  * Wubi validation and any GRUB upgrade fixes required
[16:16] <cjwatson>  * dmraid installation fixes
[16:16] <cjwatson>  * ureadahead OOM
[16:16] <cjwatson>  * ubiquity consolidation
[16:16] <cjwatson>  * any remaining upgrade failures
[16:16] <cjwatson>  * possible upgrade to llvm-2.8
[16:16] <cjwatson> doko would like a freeze exception for bug 632727 (llvm-2.8).  I think this is likely OK since none of the affected packages are on CDs, and I trust his judgement on matters toolchain.  Any comments?
[16:16] <cjwatson> ttx: ^- server question
[16:17]  * ttx looks
[16:17] <skaet> cjwatson,  what's up with linuxtools and the CD images?
[16:17] <cjwatson> I think that's stale packages on the DVD images, which are only built once every few days
[16:17] <cjwatson> note the ABI is -20
[16:18] <skaet> ok thanks.
[16:18] <ttx> cjwatson: i've trouble weighing the benefits on the spot... but I trust doko's judgement on that one
[16:18] <cjwatson> yeah, the Ubuntu DVD was last built 20100914
[16:18] <cjwatson> ttx: I meant the plymouth question actually, bug 606373
[16:18] <ttx> ah
[16:19] <cjwatson> while I can see a possible cause, if you've worked around it, I would rather not change plymouth unnecessarily
[16:19] <ttx> oops
[16:19] <ttx> smoser: ^
[16:19] <doko> ttx, cjwatson: it's not yet used a build dependencies
[16:19] <cjwatson> doko: right, I looked at it and it seemed relatively harmless; I just wanted to double-check with other release folks before saying yes
[16:20] <smoser> that is fixed
[16:20] <cjwatson> smoser: so if I mark the plymouth task wontfix for maverick and keep it open for natty, that would be OK with you?
[16:20] <ttx> so can be wontfix for maverick
[16:21] <smoser> well, worked around.
[16:21] <smoser> yes, thats what i was going to suggest cjwatson
[16:21] <smoser> thanks
[16:21] <cjwatson> right, great, thanks
[16:21] <ttx> smoser: thanks for your expert eye
[16:21] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:21] <skaet> [TOPIC] server team update
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  server team update
[16:21] <ttx> yay
[16:21]  * skaet waves
[16:21] <ttx> Updated release status at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus
[16:22] <ttx> no more release-milestoned bugs
[16:22] <ttx> 3 other high/critical maverick bugs
[16:22] <ttx> Bug 628055 - Instances don't start correctly: Security Labeling error running aa_change_profile (Daviey): more investigation needed
[16:22] <ttx> a bit strage, seems to happen only on i386, and we almost always test on amd64
[16:23] <ttx> we plan to spend testing cycles next week on that one
[16:23] <ttx> Bug 582963  - apache2 SSL pass phrase dialog can't read input (zul): need input from upstart overlords on how to do it without breaking everything else
[16:23] <ttx> we tried to fix that one and broke something else... so we'd welcome input on how to fix it.. or if it should be kept the way it is for maverick
[16:23] <ttx> and releasenoted
[16:24] <ttx> (I'm fine either way, it already affects lucid)
[16:24] <cjwatson> are you already using plymouth commands to prompt?
[16:24] <cjwatson> or are you trying to talk directly to the console?
[16:24] <ttx> current try was to talk directly to console
[16:24] <cjwatson> ah, don't do that
[16:24] <cjwatson> use 'plymouth ask-for-password'
[16:24] <ttx> zul: ^
[16:25] <zul> ah ok
[16:25] <cjwatson> if you want to make it backwards-compatible, you could use 'if command -v plymouth >/dev/null 2>&1 && plymouth --ping; then ...'
[16:25] <zul> like cryptsetup?
[16:25] <cjwatson> but that may not be necessary
[16:25] <cjwatson> yes
[16:25] <ttx> Bug 629005 - libmysqlclient / mysql-cluster upgrade snafu (zul): under investigation, should be fixed soon
[16:26] <ttx> doko just added bug 641384, I'll look into it.. next week
[16:26] <ttx> Maverick bugs affecting server, in other teams:
[16:26] <cjwatson> (using plymouth for this also means that if multiple things are starting in parallel and each need password input, then they'll queue up rather than fighting over the console)
[16:26] <ttx> waiting on archive admins on bug 638421 and bug 638424
[16:26] <ttx> Foundations: bug 569900
[16:27] <ttx> not sure we'll have time for a shot at this one
[16:27] <cjwatson> I'll process those archive bugs today
[16:27] <ttx> Kernel: bug 613083 and bug 606373
[16:28] <ttx> that last one was just closed, methinks
[16:28] <ttx> and the first one is actively worked on
[16:28] <cjwatson> I suspect that 569900 will go away when we switch to a new mdadm metadata version, but unfortunately that isn't feasible for maverick
[16:29] <cjwatson> (this is a bit of a guess though)
[16:29] <skaet> cjwatson, ttx:  on the latest QA report, Bug 641259 seems to be prominent - is someone looking at it?
[16:29] <ttx> cjwatson: maybe mark it wontfix for maverick, so that I stop bothering you about it :)
[16:29]  * ttx looks
[16:29] <cjwatson> skaet: I was just talking with fader about that
[16:30] <skaet> cool.
[16:30] <cjwatson> skaet: I gave him a few suggestions, but, well, see my comment above about intractable problems like remote bootloader debugging
[16:30] <fader_> Yeah, this one is tough to pull data out of :(
[16:30] <skaet> as long as its on the radar....
[16:30] <cjwatson> if it's a tiny little netbook then ship one to me and I can probably fit it into my study somewhere
[16:31] <cjwatson> like glued to the ceiling or something
[16:31] <skaet> heh
[16:31] <cjwatson> if it's bigger than that it'll be difficult
[16:31] <ttx> so all in all, not too bad two weeks before RC.
[16:31] <skaet> thanks ttx :)
[16:31]  * ttx bows again
[16:31] <cjwatson> fader_: BTW, is it reproducible with a normal interactive install, rather than through the automatic install framework you guys use?
[16:32] <fader_> cjwatson: Yes, it is
[16:32] <fader_> cjwatson: Though still installed via PXE; I haven't tried with a physical CD yet
[16:32] <cjwatson> ok, well, if it reproduces with that and it's a netbook then maybe it would be possible to ship it to me temporarily?
[16:32] <cjwatson> I'm unlikely to be able to fix it otherwise
[16:32] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop team update
[16:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop team update
[16:33] <kenvandine> ok
[16:33] <kenvandine> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:33] <kenvandine> Had a bit of a scare on Wednesday, the mesa upload that fixed KDE and some other problems completely broke UNE.  But that is all fixed now
[16:33] <kenvandine> thanks to everyone that helped with that :)
[16:33] <kenvandine> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+specs?searchtext=desktop-maverick
[16:33] <kenvandine> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html
[16:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+specs?searchtext=desktop-maverick
[16:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html
[16:33] <kenvandine> burndown is looking good
[16:34] <kenvandine> we are well on track for maverick
[16:34] <kenvandine> i think that is all i have, questions?
[16:35] <skaet> is it likely that most of the bugs on the list will get fixes in place in time?
[16:35] <kenvandine> not sure... we hope of course
[16:35] <kenvandine> seb128 would know better :)
[16:35] <kenvandine> sorry
[16:35] <skaet> :)
[16:35] <kenvandine> most are assigned
[16:36] <kenvandine> the one i am hoping for most is bug 551809
[16:36] <kenvandine> i think we have at least a lead on tracking that down
[16:36] <kenvandine> so progress, but it has so many dupes
[16:36] <skaet> gotcha.   thanks for the update.  :)
[16:36] <kenvandine> np
[16:37] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:37] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One team update
[16:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu One team update
[16:37] <joshuahoover> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/MaverickReleaseStatus
[16:37] <joshuahoover> hi! the list of high/critical u1 project bugs are found on that release status page i posted
[16:37] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/MaverickReleaseStatus
[16:37] <joshuahoover> we did our best to get the most important u1 bugs fixed for final freeze but still have some that we'd like to get in (by tuesday) if permitted...we had one key u1 team member out sick early this week which really hurt our ability to get everything done
[16:38] <joshuahoover> i'll provide the 7 bugs (in rough order of importance - most important listed here first) that we'd like freeze exceptions on with a little info on each...
[16:38] <joshuahoover> bug #617656 - causes nautilus to hang when u1 is asking for a lot of folders...very hard to troubleshoot but we think we have a fix that we're testing right now
[16:39] <joshuahoover> bug #640392 - fix to show proper emblems on folders in nautilus (rather than showing "updating" emblem across synced folders)
[16:39] <joshuahoover> bug #634384 - not sure yet if this is client or server, trying to confirm now...prevents the music store from connecting after initial sign-in/up to u1...store works after rbox restart, but this is a bad 1st impression
[16:39] <joshuahoover> bug #639835 - fixes an issue for desktopcouch apps where requests to couchdb views would fail if couchdb crashed after requesting a view - we'll be requesting a lucid sru for this one
[16:39] <joshuahoover> bug #639017 - fixes a timeout condition from u1 syncdaemon that can occur when other apps like u1-preferences, etc. call syncdaemon
[16:39] <joshuahoover> bug #638187 - fixes a regression in the u1sdtool that caused --list-shared to not show the current list of u1 shares
[16:40] <joshuahoover> bug #640438 - fixes ubuntuone-preferences verbose output when started from the terminal
[16:40] <joshuahoover> i'm was planning on subscribing ubuntu-release to these and propose for maverick (for those that aren't) unless there are immediate objections
[16:40] <skaet> sounds good
[16:41] <joshuahoover> that's it from ubuntu one unless there are questions :)
[16:42] <skaet> robbiew,  cjwatson,  do you want these marked in the system in any special way?  (FFe? )
[16:42] <skaet> thanks joshuahoover
[16:43] <robbiew> nah...they're bugs not features anyway
[16:43] <skaet> ok.  thanks.
[16:43] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu team update
[16:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu team update
[16:44]  * skaet looks around for Riddell, ScottK?
[16:44] <kenvandine> Riddell is on holiday
[16:45] <skaet> ok,  seeing ScottK seems to be indicated as away
[16:45] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience team update
[16:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Experience team update
[16:46] <kenvandine> davidbarth_, did you get reconnected ok?
[16:46] <davidbarth_> just reconnected
[16:46] <davidbarth_> yes, sorry
[16:46] <skaet> cool,  whew.
[16:46] <davidbarth_> the report is up there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus
[16:47] <davidbarth_> here is a quick summary
[16:47] <davidbarth_> most of the bugs that were tracked for the release are fixed, like flash video running fullscreen again on unity
[16:47] <davidbarth_> memleaks and visual artifacts on QL are fixed, somehow
[16:47] <davidbarth_> somehow, because we're still seeing some resurgences of them
[16:48] <davidbarth_> so we're still hard at work hunting the remaining parts of that
[16:48] <davidbarth_> we've landed some more changes covered by FF exception reuqests
[16:49] <davidbarth_> and last, but not mentioned in the report but we had to revert some changes in libdbusmenu-qt because of some processe issues
[16:49] <davidbarth_> we're working with kubuntu and upstream developers to resolve that
[16:50] <davidbarth_> it does not impact the release afaict as the changes have been split and reintegrated as distro-patches while we re-roll the full assignment process
[16:50] <davidbarth_> questions?
[16:50] <skaet> thanks for the summary davidbarth_
[16:51] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team update
[16:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM team update
[16:51] <ogra> wohoo
[16:51]  * ogra waves ARMs
[16:51] <skaet> heh
[16:51] <ogra> Detailed status at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:51] <ogra> ...
[16:51] <ogra> Short summary:
[16:51] <ogra>  * Lots of fixes went into jasper (out firstboot configuation tool for the preinstalled images) which we could not test yet (needs a successfull image build) there might be additional bugs to come from these.
[16:51] <ogra>  * A TI ppa apturl icon was added to the default install to make use of the awesome work from mvo to make it easy for users to install the TI maintained addon packages on the omap4 image
[16:51] <ogra>    (a packagelist is still to come as well as an EULA text and an icon from TI, these will need freeze exceptions).
[16:51] <ogra>  * TI released it's 3D drivers for omap3 boards under a redistributable license, work has being done by rsalveti to get these packaged and we would really like to see them in the archive before release,
[16:51] <ogra>    testing (together with linaro) is going on (will likely need a freeze exception for the new packages into uni/multiverse) having these packages might improve the KDE/kubuntu-mobile experience a lot on omap3 BTW.
[16:51] <ogra>  * Due to bug 633227 we had to revert the use of the full gigabyte on the omap4 images, kernel fixes are being worked on to get full access to all RAM back.
[16:51] <ogra>  * Massive work is being done by the whole team this week to fix issues with sound on the pandaboard, preferably this should be fixed in the ASoC driver, but if this is not possible we would like to add alsa-lib quirks
[16:51] <ogra>    (scripts similar to Intel HDA audio under /usr/share/alsa ... potential freeze execptions for alsa-lib, pulse and jasper)
[16:51] <ogra>  * The FTBFS list on qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs is largely empty for main (armel) openoffice is still on it and some kde packages that are being worked on are there too. doko is working on openoffice currently.
[16:51] <ogra>  * Bug 605042 is still under investigation how to solve it.
[16:52] <ogra> ...
[16:52] <ogra> Spec Status:
[16:52] <ogra> Entire http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[16:52] <ogra> Release http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10.html
[16:52] <ogra> ...
[16:52] <ogra> Remaining specs:
[16:52] <ogra> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubun
[16:52] <ogra> grmpf
[16:52] <ogra> Remaining specs:
[16:52] <ogra> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-m-omap-edid-autodetection
[16:52] <ogra> ...
[16:52] <ogra> 4 Bugs targeted for Final release
[16:52] <ogra> ...
[16:52] <ogra> Blocker Bugs:
[16:52] <ogra> bug 633227
[16:52] <ogra> bug 637947
[16:52] <ogra> ...
[16:52] <ogra> Expected serious impact for final release (section did not change, leaving here as a general reminder):
[16:52] <ogra> We will get the final hardware for OAMP4 only very late in september or even in early october, it might be necessary that the OMAP4 image release gets delayed
[16:52] <ogra> The above will also likely require late kernel and bootloader package changes and uploads to the archive. since the Hardware does not exist yet it is unprdictable in which amount the impact is.
[16:52] <ogra> my paste was actually to long this time ... i need to work on that
[16:53] <skaet> heh,  no worries.
[16:54] <skaet> for the blocker bugs - any concerns?
[16:54] <ogra> not yet, we're all working on the sound issueas good as we can
[16:54] <skaet> fair 'nuf.
[16:54] <ogra> and TI is working on the mem issue
[16:55] <ogra> given that we dont have the fully final kernel yet and need a freeze exception for it anyway, all should be fine
[16:55] <skaet> thanks.  :)
[16:55] <ogra> i hope we can get all fixes into one upload here
[16:55] <ogra> done :)
[16:55] <ogra> (and thanks)
[16:55] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:56] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU update
[16:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU update
[16:56]  * skaet wonders if there's anyone here to cover this today?
[16:57] <skaet> hmm.... guesses not.
[16:57] <skaet> skipping along then
[16:57] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro Update
[16:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Linaro Update
[16:57] <JamieBennett> Hi Kate. So from the Linaro side.
[16:57] <JamieBennett> [LINK] http://wiki.linaro.org/Releases/LinaroStatus
[16:57] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.linaro.org/Releases/LinaroStatus
[16:57]  * ScottK has just arrived.
[16:57] <skaet> hi JamieBennett
[16:58] <JamieBennett> We are looking quite good. Nothing glaring as far as work to push into the release.
[16:58]  * skaet plans to circle back to ScottK after JamieBennett
[16:58] <ScottK> OK
[16:58] <JamieBennett> Linaro release meeting yesterday -
[16:58] <JamieBennett> [LINK] http://wiki.linaro.org/Releases/WeeklyReleaseMeeting/2010-09-16
[16:58] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.linaro.org/Releases/WeeklyReleaseMeeting/2010-09-16
[16:58] <JamieBennett> Waiting on a fix from Scott on bug 600359 and most other bugs are either fixed and need verifying or minor changes will be done.
[16:58] <JamieBennett> Images are being tested more so we may get more bugs found.
[16:58] <JamieBennett> We actually have more images now due to some changes in the way images are built (hardware packs) that fixed some building bugs.
[16:59] <JamieBennett> We are also coming up with a policy for Linaro's extra month (Linaro releases 10.11) and SRU's, I'll co-ordinate with you when I have a plan ;)
[16:59] <JamieBennett> Thats all for Linaro.
[16:59] <robbiew> JamieBennett: the fix for 600359 is on it's way, should have it next week
[16:59] <JamieBennett> robbiew: great :)
[16:59] <ogra> \o/
[17:00] <ogra> we'Re waiting for so long already !
[17:00] <skaet> JamieBennett, will talk to you about it on monday
[17:00] <ogra> thats good news
[17:00] <JamieBennett> skaet: OK
[17:00] <skaet> any other questions/comments?
[17:01] <skaet> thanks JamieBennett
[17:01] <skaet> ScottK,  how's it look from your perspective?
[17:01] <ScottK> Not bad.
[17:01] <robbiew> ogra:  yeah...he was thinking he could provide a much more comprehensive fix, but it kept regressing boot speed...so he plans to just lower the amount of memory ureadahead reserves
[17:01] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU update - take 2
[17:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU update - take 2
[17:01] <ogra> robbiew, sweet
[17:02] <ScottK> Kubuntu is coming together reasonably well.  We're doing a lot of cherry picking from kdesvn because due to the accelerated release schedule we won't get KDE 4.5.2.
[17:02] <ScottK> (I figured I'd cover both)
[17:02]  * skaet nods
[17:02] <ScottK> Most of the important installer bugs appear to have been addressed.
[17:02] <ScottK> As a note, Mesa needs an upload to revert the workaround for the clutter problem that was affecting Unity.
[17:03] <ScottK> (clutter got fixed, but the workaround is still there)
[17:03] <robbiew> kenvandine: ^^
[17:03] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:04] <ScottK> Most of the serious problems we have remaining seem to be X/video driver related, but with the Mesa update things are much improved.
[17:04] <kenvandine> robbiew, i'll follow up on that
[17:04] <skaet> thats good to hear.
[17:04] <robbiew> kenvandine: thnx
[17:04] <ScottK> kenvandine: There's also a X crash on logout bug (I'll get you the number in a moment) that would be really good to have addressed (I believe the problem is understood)
[17:05] <kenvandine> ScottK, ok
[17:05] <kenvandine> lets get it targeted then
[17:05] <kenvandine> if it isn't already
[17:05] <ScottK> We have a new KDE bluetooth stack this cycle and we will be the first distro to release with is, so upstream has been very engaged with us.  The should be the best Kubuntu bluetooth experience in approximately forever.
[17:05] <ScottK> kenvandine: It is.
[17:06] <ScottK> I just don't have the number handy.
[17:06] <kenvandine> ok
[17:06] <ScottK> That's it for Kubuntu.
[17:06] <skaet> nice about the bluetooth stack.
[17:06] <skaet> how are things looking on the MOTU side?
[17:06] <ScottK> kenvandine: It's Bug 628077
[17:07] <ScottK> Making progress, but FTBFS and NBS still need work.
[17:07] <kenvandine> oh, and has a patch
[17:07] <ScottK> The FTBFS actually got worse in the last week.
[17:07] <kenvandine> ScottK, i'll check on that
[17:07] <ScottK> kenvandine: Yes.
[17:07] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:08] <ScottK> That's all I have for MOTU.
[17:08] <skaet> Thanks
[17:09] <skaet> any plans to get the FTBFS side looking a bit better?
[17:09] <skaet> help needed?
[17:09] <ScottK> Just takes people doing the work.
[17:09] <skaet> heh,  understood.
[17:09] <ScottK> iulian sent a message to the MOTU ML last week that got some response.
[17:10] <ScottK> For FTBFS most of the easy ones seem to have been addressed.
[17:10] <skaet> fair 'nuf.
[17:10] <skaet> any other questions?
[17:11]  * skaet looks around for hands up?
[17:11] <ScottK> I have another topic for AIB.
[17:11] <ScottK> AOB
[17:12] <skaet> go ahead
[17:12] <ScottK> There appears to be some confusion about release team delegations.
[17:12] <ScottK> In the past, motu-release would delegate powers to certain individuals to ack Universe uploads in specific areas.
[17:13] <ScottK> AFAIK, we did not do so this time, but one person is continuing to ack as if they had such a delegation even after having been told they don't.
[17:13] <cjwatson> TBH it feels to me like an oversight that we haven't done the delegations
[17:13] <ScottK> I would like the situation clarified (If clarification means I'm misunderstanding the situation and they do, then that's fine).
[17:14] <cjwatson> and maybe it would be better to correct that
[17:14] <ScottK> I don't have a strong opinion either way.  We seem to be keeping up OK without it, but I mostly want it to be clear.
[17:15] <ScottK> I think the current situation where we didn't, but someone is acting as if we did is not good.
[17:16] <ScottK> Since I've been in the middle of an argument over this, I don't want to be the one deciding.
[17:16] <skaet> agree, from a process perspective this sort of ambiguity isn't good.
[17:16] <cjwatson> my take is that there are two options: (a) issue delegations (b) issue some kind of reprimand.  which is better for Ubuntu?
[17:16] <cjwatson> my feeling is (a)
[17:16] <skaet> +1 on (a)
[17:17]  * ScottK steps back and lets the others decide.
[17:17] <cjwatson> I mean, if it were somebody we wouldn't normally have delegated, then it would be (b)
[17:17] <sistpoty|work> actually, I think robbiew's FF mail added a little bit to the confusion :)
[17:17] <cjwatson> but since it is somebody we'd normally have delegated, it doesn't seem to make sense to have a big song and dance about it given that they're basically working around something that's our fault
[17:18] <cjwatson> (albeit in a fairly direct way)
[17:18]  * sistpoty|work goes for a, but still someone would need to take care to arrange delegations
[17:18] <skaet> robbiew, thoughts?
[17:18]  * robbiew notes that his mail was from the wiki...which was stale and is now corrected ;)
[17:18] <cjwatson> sistpoty|work: F feature or F final?
[17:18] <robbiew> a
[17:18] <sistpoty|work> cjwatson: final
[17:19] <sistpoty|work> (or rather the mail that quoted my mail that listed delegations, or something like that *g*)
[17:19] <cjwatson> hah, yes, that certainly looks like a delegation
[17:20] <skaet> sistpoty|work, can you bounce me the mail you're referencing?
[17:20] <sistpoty|work> I guess the main reason we had no delegations so far for maverick is that noone took care of it yet
[17:20] <cjwatson> skaet: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-September/000758.html
[17:20] <skaet> cjwatson,  thanks.
[17:20] <cjwatson> and the link under "universe/multiverse"
[17:22] <skaet> gotcha.  yeah that looks like delegation.
[17:23] <cjwatson> anyway, since there's been confusion: unless anyone actually thinks those delegations shouldn't be repeated (is that the case?), they should be reissued for clarity
[17:23] <cjwatson> I'm guessing some names need to be updated
[17:23] <skaet> cjwatson, that seems reasonable.
[17:23] <cjwatson> Firefox should be Chris Coulson nowadays, I think?
[17:23] <cjwatson> ScottK is on ubuntu-release anyway, re KDE
[17:24] <cjwatson> I'm not sure about Ubuntu Studio
[17:24] <cjwatson> the rest look up to date AFAICS
[17:24] <cjwatson> do we need any kind of vote or is a show of hands or something sufficient?
[17:24]  * sistpoty|work tries to find delegations for lucid, maybe that might also be good to compare
[17:25] <sistpoty|work> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2010-March/000040.html
[17:25] <cjwatson> ah yes, better to have an updated version
[17:26] <cjwatson> did you ever get confirmations for the unconfirmed entries there?
[17:26] <charlie-tca> hmm, any chance of getting Lionel Le Folgoc added for Xubuntu?
[17:26] <sistpoty|work> cjwatson: yes, I think so... there must be final announcement mail, but I still need to find that :)
[17:26] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: that's in sistpoty|work's most recent link
[17:27] <cjwatson> anyway, presumably we can take this to #-release out of band?
[17:27] <skaet> sounds good.
[17:27] <skaet> any further questions/comments before ending meeting?
[17:28] <skaet> ScottK,  thanks for raising the issue.
[17:28] <skaet> going once
[17:28] <ScottK> No problem.
[17:28] <skaet> twice
[17:28] <skaet> #endmeeting
[17:28] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:28.
[17:29] <skaet> Thanks everyone for the good work over the last week!
[17:31] <robbiew> thnx skaet
[17:31]  * skaet heading over to #-release to continue the delegation discussion.
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