[00:48] <slow-motion> n8
[01:12] <randomshadowbm1> how come i cant go past 800x600 in xubuntu?
[01:14] <randomshadowbm1> www.pastebin.ca/1041668 - my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[01:18] <Genelyk> probe driver vesa
[01:22] <randomshadowbm1> changed driver to vesa
[01:22] <randomshadowbm1> same error
[01:23] <randomshadowbm1> nv, nvidia, and vesa same error
[01:23] <Genelyk> mmm
[01:24] <Genelyk> use cdlive xubuntu ,   and copy  xorg.conf  the cd  to  xubuntu installed
[01:24] <randomshadowbm1> i use 1280x1024 with my other computers on this monitor ( i have a kvm switch )
[01:25] <randomshadowbm1> i copied the xorg.conf file from the install of kubuntu from this
[01:25] <randomshadowbm1> and it didnt work
[01:25] <randomshadowbm1> the computer with kubuntu has nvidia geforce 8500 and this one has nvidia geforce 7600gs
[01:25] <randomshadowbm1> and they use the smae keyboard and mouse too cuz of the kvm switch
[01:26] <randomshadowbm1> xubuntu is on a pentium 4 2ghz with 256mb of ram
[01:26] <randomshadowbm1> and kubuntu is on a amd athlon 64 x2 5200 2.7ghz
[01:26] <randomshadowbm1> with 2gb of ram
[01:27] <Genelyk> reinstalled  driver nvidia ?
[01:27] <randomshadowbm1> yeah
[01:28] <randomshadowbm1> im going to reg ubuntu if i cant get this fixed
[01:31] <Genelyk> okz
[03:13] <LinuxRules_883> I'm having a problem going to the #ubuntu channel. Is there something wrong with it?
[03:26] <The_Kernel> Yeah LinuxRules_883, its too full
[03:26] <konc3pt> Anyone have problems with keyboard reapeating ... or delay?
[03:26] <konc3pt> -new install with 8.04, very newbie here...
[03:27] <LinuxRules_883> How do I get help with Wubi, its not working right?
[03:29] <konc3pt>  Anyone have problems with keyboard reapeating ... or delay?
[03:29] <konc3pt>  -new install with 8.04, very newbie here...
[03:29] <LinuxRules_883> I've never had problems with keyboard repeat or delay.
[03:30] <konc3pt> hmmm, k thx
[03:30] <LinuxRules_883> Sorry, thats not much help.
[03:30] <konc3pt> No, I appreciate teh reply :)
[03:30] <konc3pt> *the
[03:31] <LinuxRules_883> Anyone here know what wrong with Wubi? It starts to connect to the server twice and stops with the error "ERROR: ".
[03:31] <konc3pt> Hmm some sort of error ;)
[03:31] <konc3pt> hah...
[03:31] <konc3pt> sorry...
[03:31] <LinuxRules_883> yeah, just says error and nothing after the ":"
[03:31] <konc3pt> I was just being an ass, sort of.. :)
[03:32] <LinuxRules_883> i'm using crappy old vista and needed to switch to ubuntu without wiping windows out.
[03:32] <LinuxRules_883> np
[03:33] <konc3pt> So... boot off the ubintu...xubuntu..kubuntu cd and install onanother partition if u have one.. the the boot manager.. loader.. whatever will do the rest
[03:33] <konc3pt> *then
[03:33] <LinuxRules_883> i'm just trying to install without cd
[03:33] <konc3pt> o i c
[03:33] <LinuxRules_883> wubi can do it, but its not working right.
[03:33] <LinuxRules_883> or i dont know how to use it.
[03:33] <konc3pt> Why dont u want ot use a cd?
[03:34] <LinuxRules_883> i just dont have one right now, the stores are closed
[03:34] <konc3pt> Heh, ahhh
[03:35] <konc3pt> Keyboard lagging... repeating.. cd-rom access whenever it feels like with no cd in the drive, cannot connect to my wireless network.... woot..
[03:36] <LinuxRules_883> thats sucks. I used to have the wireless problem with my Atheros card.
[03:36] <konc3pt> It's a linksys, ona laptop.. thank god that isn;t my only machine..
[03:52] <jimisrvrox> trying to install xubuntu and am getting an error Warning: Failure trying to run: chroot /target dpkg --force-- depends--install var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-10ubuntu3_i386.deb
[03:58] <sima> HI How do i repair my package base? I get error: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 (i am trying to remove xorg-driver-fglrx)
[04:51] <comal> hola
[04:52] <comal> como puedo añadir mas escritorios en xubuntu 8.04?
[04:56] <comal> how can I add more desktop for my xubuntu hardy?
[04:57] <cody-somerville> more desktop?
[05:01] <comal> I dont know english
[05:01] <comal> try to understand please
[05:01] <comal> more mmm, lados de escritorio
[05:02] <comal> xubuntu only come with 2 desktop
[05:02] <comal> mmm
[05:02] <comal> worksapce
[05:02] <comal> or, mmm
[05:07] <The_Kernel> comal Settings -> Workspace -> Change the number from 2 to 4
[05:08] <jimisrvrox> trying to install xubuntu and am getting an error Warning: Failure trying to run: chroot /target dpkg --force-- depends--install var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-10ubuntu3_i386.deb
[05:09] <comal> (04:07:15) The_Kernel: comal Settings -> Workspace -> Change the number from 2 to 4<<<-- I do that but dont work
[05:09] <comal> I always have a 2 workspace
[05:10] <The_Kernel> comal have you restart xfce4 yet?
[05:10] <The_Kernel> ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:11] <comal> The_Kernel: no, before I have ubuntu, and the change was instant
[05:11] <comal> I try to restart
[05:11] <comal> thanks
[05:11] <jimisrvrox> hey kernel..ive been dealin with this stuff pretty much all day man
[05:11] <jimisrvrox> same error
[05:55] <dubwoc> whose alive?
[05:57] <The_Kernel> jimisrvrox it appears that your disc is bad
[05:57] <The_Kernel> re download the ISO and burn it again
[05:57] <The_Kernel> run a checksum
[05:58] <jimisrvrox> I ran the verify
[05:58] <jimisrvrox> and it said that it was cool
[05:59] <jimisrvrox> I had PCLinuxOS on there before and so somebody said it didnt matte rthat it cold overwirte it
[05:59] <jimisrvrox> it tells me before I try to install that it has some crap on there from previous installs
[06:00] <The_Kernel> jimisrvrox is this an alt cd or the live cd that you're trying to install from?
[06:00] <jimisrvrox> alt cd
[06:00] <dubwoc> jimisrvrox good man
[06:00] <The_Kernel> OK
[06:00] <dubwoc> lets get this resolved
[06:00] <jimisrvrox> heh
[06:00] <dubwoc> and the_kern is in da house
[06:01] <jimisrvrox> dubwoc has been helpin me all day here..
[06:01] <The_Kernel> Are you at least able to get into the install portion?
[06:01] <jimisrvrox> hes all pissed about this install
[06:01] <jimisrvrox> it gets to installing the kernel base and then tells me crap
[06:01] <jimisrvrox> that stuff up top that I had posted
[06:01] <The_Kernel> have you been able to format the HDD's?
[06:02] <jimisrvrox> no all I did was overwrote xp with PCLinuxOS and then it was a crapper so I went and got Xubuntu
[06:02] <jimisrvrox> and dub here said it would overwrite the PC
[06:04] <jimisrvrox> btw kern ima Linux n00b..Im tired of winblows
[09:34] <medfly> hai guys. i'm trying to install xubuntu on my old (1999) laptop, and it always ends up showing me a blinking _ in the end, when i try to install.
[09:37] <medfly> i'm njot sure how to make it show me errors.
[09:37] <nikolam> what version of xubuntu, how much ram on machine, what it displays before "_", is it working something while displaying it, did you check your CD, did you set your compouter bios to boot from CD..
[09:39] <medfly> uhm... i got the most recent thing, 8.04, 64mb (or was it 128mb? ram), i did check my CD, it did boot from CD
[09:39] <medfly> and before that, it shows a graphical loading screen.
[09:40] <nikolam> do you use alternate install CD?
[09:40] <medfly> no
[09:40] <nikolam> With that amount of RAM (64mb) only alternate will work
[09:41] <medfly> i imagined it'd be slow, but not show a blinking _
[09:41] <nikolam> I suggest you to expand your ram if you can
[09:41] <medfly> well, its a laptop :/
[09:41] <nikolam> desktop cd will NOT boot on that amount of ram
[09:41] <nikolam> laptops can be expanded with ram, too
[09:42] <nikolam> I suggest you to even try alternate install, or expand your ram with ,again alternate install or you can try to use something like Damn small linux
[09:43] <nikolam> I have 2GB in machine and I still use alternate install CD for Xubuntu to install
[09:44] <medfly> uhmm... can i somehow check dmesg to see if all my devices work?
[09:51] <nikolam> Ctrl+Alt+F2 for console
[09:51] <nikolam> But try alternate cd or DSL or expland your ram
[09:51] <medfly> i can use DSL to expand my ram?
[09:52] <nikolam> DamnSmallLinux is a linux distribution, based on .deb packages, specially made for older computers with low amount of ram
[09:52] <nikolam> it should work on 64mb like a charm
[09:52] <medfly> oh... right
[09:53] <nikolam> alternate xubuntu should work on 64 mb but 128 mb is low end in practice
[09:53] <medfly> yeah, i just want something that supports connecting my laptop to the router by USB. plenty of things work :-)
[09:53] <nikolam> You could also try Zenwalk Linux before reverting to DSL
[09:54] <medfly> alt+ctrl+f2 doesnt work..
[09:54] <nikolam> There is not much difference between linux`es when supporting hardware. It`s just about implementation
[10:22] <AlexCONRAD> hi, when I set "Enable Automatic Login" in xubuntu, in which file does it actually stores the data ?
[10:22] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: what data?
[10:23] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: configuration?
[10:23] <AlexCONRAD> hello TheSheep, yes
[10:23] <AlexCONRAD> I need to write this to disk during my automatic setup
[10:23] <TheSheep> in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf, afaik
[10:23] <AlexCONRAD> thanks, i'll look for something here
[10:25] <AlexCONRAD> ah, the data is already here... I have to do some 'sed'
[10:25] <AlexCONRAD> thanks again TheSheep
[10:28] <jeanne> hello
[10:28] <jeanne> I am new to xubuntu and need your help_
[10:29] <jeanne> does anyone of you know in which directory kpdf is located ?
[10:30] <jeanne> I want to set kpdf for opening of pdf-files, but I dont find its location.
[10:36] <TheSheep> xubuntu uses evince, not kpdf
[10:36] <TheSheep> it might be not installed
[10:44] <jeanne> i have kpdf installed
[10:44] <jeanne> I will have a look if I have evince
[10:44] <jeanne> I have evince
[10:45] <jeanne> do you know where this program is located/which path does it have ?
[10:46] <jeanne> when I click on pdf files in the webbrower it asks me with which program I want to open it
[10:46] <jeanne> and I dont know how to set it because I dont find its location
[10:47]  * jeanne is new to linux...
[10:47] <TheSheep> open a termin and type 'dpkg -L kpdf', that will list all files installed with that package
[10:47] <TheSheep> terminal
[10:47] <jeanne> ok
[10:50] <jeanne>  /.
[10:50] <jeanne> /usr/share
[10:50] <jeanne> /usr/share/doc
[10:50] <jeanne> /usr/share/doc/kpdf
[10:50] <jeanne> /usr/share/doc/kpdf/copyright
[10:50] <jeanne> /usr/share/doc/kpdf/changelog.Debian.gz
[10:50] <jeanne> /usr/share/doc/kde
[10:50] <jeanne> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML
[10:50] <jeanne> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en
[10:50] <jeanne> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kpdf
[10:50] <jeanne> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kpdf/configure.png
[10:50] <jeanne> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kpdf/index.cache.bz2
[10:50] <jeanne> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kpdf/index.docbook
[10:50] <jeanne> /usr/share/man
[10:50] <jeanne> /usr/share/man/man1
[10:50] <jeanne> /usr/share/man/man1/kpdf.1.gz
[10:52] <jeanne> got this list
[10:52] <TheSheep> jeanne: please use pastebin next time
[10:52] <jeanne> back
[10:52] <jeanne> sorry for floading
[10:52] <TheSheep> !paste
[10:52] <jeanne> whats that ?
[10:53] <TheSheep> jeanne: there should be some file in /usr/bin
[10:53] <TheSheep> jeanne: that's usually the executable
[10:53] <jeanne> ah
[10:54] <jeanne> I think I have found it
[10:54] <TheSheep> great
[10:54] <TheSheep> btw, if you know the command and look for the file, you can use: which command
[10:54] <jeanne> :D
[10:54] <jeanne> hooray
[10:54] <TheSheep> for example, which kpdf
[10:54] <jeanne> it works ! thank you
[10:55] <jeanne> ah which command is very good
[10:55] <jeanne> changed from windows
[11:14] <AlexCONRAD> strange, i've just automated autologin by sed'ing the /etc/gdm/gdm.conf ... but it doesn't work. And when I go in Applications > Login Window > Security tab, it's not enabled. I guess the configuration is stored whereelse.
[11:15] <AlexCONRAD> elsewhere*
[11:17] <AlexCONRAD> oh, I think that setting autologin from the GUI generates a /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom
[11:22] <kalabaw> is there a way to change the size of the icons on the Thunar toolbar?
[11:23] <TheSheep> kalabaw: the thunar wiki might have some info on it
[11:24] <AlexCONRAD> TheSheep has an answer for everyone of us ;)
[11:24] <kalabaw> tried that but can't seem to find the answer to my question...
[12:38] <borked> hi, do you know if 'Option "DDC" "False"' works in 8.04? it insist in using 1280x768 even if it tell it explicitly in xorg.org to use 1024x768 :-\
[13:32] <cody-somerville> Who was I talking to yesterday about tablet PCs?
[13:33] <Odd-rationale> me?
[13:33] <Odd-rationale> cody-somerville: i updated my wiki page. take a look! http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Tablet_PC#Tablet_PC_Tips
[13:34] <cody-somerville> Chillin! :)
[13:35] <cody-somerville> Want to add it to the Ubuntu wiki? ;]
[13:35] <Odd-rationale> cody-somerville: feel free to do so. you may have to change a few ubuntu specific stuff...
[13:35] <Odd-rationale> like apt
[13:36] <Odd-rationale> and linuxwacom is called wacom-tools in ubuntu
[13:36] <Odd-rationale> iirc
[13:38] <Odd-rationale> Also, arent there already several tablet guides in the ubuntu wiki?
[13:40] <cody-somerville> I used your page to configure mine
[13:40] <Odd-rationale> cody-somerville: btw, did the rotate script work for you? I think i'm the only person who uses it... :) So it could use some testing...
[13:41] <cody-somerville> I didn't try it yes
[13:41] <cody-somerville> *yet
[13:41] <cody-somerville> Just entered the commands manually
[13:41] <Odd-rationale> i see
[13:42] <Odd-rationale> well i have to be going soon... have fun!
[13:42] <Odd-rationale> and if you see anything else cool tablet related, let me know
[13:47] <cody-somerville> How do I get it to right click instead of middle click when I press the button?
[13:47] <cody-somerville> lol
[13:50] <Odd-rationale> cody-somerville: look at how i configure my xorg.conf
[13:50] <Odd-rationale> you have to add Option         "Button2" "3"
[13:50] <Odd-rationale> to the driver and eraser section
[13:51] <Odd-rationale> to the stylus and eraser, i mean
[13:54] <Odd-rationale> gtg. bye!
[16:55] <Valsum> Hello
[16:56] <lc2> o hay thar
[17:09] <vrkhans> how can i delete a dir
[17:12] <lc2> rmdir
[17:13] <lc2> even better, google.com
[17:13] <lc2> this new website where you can search for things on the intermails
[17:14] <The-Kernel> vrkhans or rm -rf
[17:14] <TheSheep> -f is not necessary
[17:14] <lc2> no u
[17:15] <TheSheep> lc2: this is a support channel, a perfect place to ask and answer exactly this kind of questions
[17:15] <lc2> he could just right click on it and go delete, you know
[17:16] <lc2> oh, too late
[17:16] <lc2> it was probably a troll anyway, since you don't install xubuntu and find yourself unable to right click in a file manager
[17:16] <lc2> but wut do i no lol
[17:17] <The-Kernel> what if he's like me
[17:17] <The-Kernel> and uses a terminal 24/7
[17:17] <TheSheep> The-Kernel: then he knows how to delete directories :)
[17:17] <lc2> then i'm guessing he'll know how to delete a d....yeah that
[17:18] <The-Kernel> :P
[17:18] <TheSheep> but he could be transiting from one state to the other
[18:39] <SuPeRhOmEm> hi all, how can I set my keyboard layout manually: the GUI way isn't working
[18:45] <AlexCONRAD> hi, anyone could help with customized CD? Here's a mail I just sent to a list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-June/004481.html
[18:50] <shut-> hey, i am getting an error when updating...
[18:51] <shut-> W: Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/multiverse/source/Sources.gz  404 Not Found
[19:24] <riddlebox> how can I get the ubuntu original toolbars, if I started with xubuntu?
[19:24] <jimisrvrox> anybody here?
[19:26] <Myrtti> sure
[19:27] <jimisrvrox> ok cool right on
[19:27] <jimisrvrox> well heres the deal I been having probs installing xubuntu on my machine
[19:27] <jimisrvrox> trying to install xubuntu and am getting an error Warning: Failure trying to run: chroot /target dpkg --force-- depends--install var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-10ubuntu3_i386.deb
[19:28] <jimisrvrox> I had installed PCLinuxOS on there and it was working but I couldnt update the package manager so I dumped it for xubuntu and then when I tried to install the base kernel it tells me that it cant do it so is there anyway that I could fix that stuff without having to do a full format which would take forever to do on a 40gb drive?
[19:29] <Myrtti> I just formatted 200G to ext3 and it didn't take forever :-P
[19:30] <jimisrvrox> ok but how would you do that from the ubuntu main menu?
[19:30] <jimisrvrox> because I tried fdisk and that wouldnt work worth nothing
[19:32] <Myrtti> mkfs.ext3 /dev/<device>?
[19:32] <Myrtti> in terminal, with sudo
[19:33] <Myrtti> mkfs anyway
[19:35] <jimisrvrox> yeah well heh im a linux n00b
[19:35] <jimisrvrox> but im telling you I dont have the konsole to do nothing
[19:36] <jimisrvrox> all im doing is overwriting the PCLinuxOS with Xubuntu and I get as far as installing the base kernel and it tells me that it cant do it
[19:36] <jimisrvrox> so im not even in the gui interface
[19:36] <jimisrvrox> im in the dos-style shit
[19:36] <Myrtti> meh
[19:37] <jimisrvrox> so what should I do?
[19:37] <jimisrvrox> its not like I could get like a linux bootdisk and do an fdisk no?
[19:38] <jimisrvrox> kinda like winblows
[19:40] <Myrtti> hmmm
[19:40] <jimisrvrox> you know what im talking about right?
[19:41] <Myrtti> yeah
[19:41] <jimisrvrox> id love to find a linux boot disk just to run off of my a: so I couild format it in ext3
[19:41] <Myrtti> well how did you try to install ubuntu if not with a installation cd?
[19:41] <jimisrvrox> no I put on the install cd
[19:41] <jimisrvrox> all I was doing was overwriting the PCLinuxOS
[19:42] <jimisrvrox> but when it got to trying to install the base kernel it told me that it couldnt do it because I already had installed it with PCLinuxOX
[19:42] <jimisrvrox> albeit I dont know if PCLinuxOS installed the same kernel or a different one
[19:42] <jimisrvrox> I guess I could try skipping that step and see if it runs smoothly with the PCLinuxOS kernel no?
[19:42] <Myrtti> well now...
[19:43] <Myrtti> erm
[19:43] <Myrtti> you didn't even get to the part about partitioning?
[19:44] <jimisrvrox> no I got past that part
[19:45] <jimisrvrox> I got past partitioning the step after that on the menu is installing the base system
[19:45] <Myrtti> and you didn't empty/reformat your partitions?
[19:45] <jimisrvrox> that might be the problem here
[19:45] <Myrtti> no kidding ;-)
[19:45] <jimisrvrox> ok so how the hell would you do that from the install menu?
[19:46] <jimisrvrox> I guess I could stick my windows boot disk in there and then fdisk from there and delete the partitions?
[19:46] <Myrtti> did you use alternate or desktop installation disk?
[19:46] <jimisrvrox> because the partitioner on the instaler doesnt give you an option to delete the partitions
[19:46] <jimisrvrox> yes
[19:47] <Myrtti> which?
[19:48] <jimisrvrox> 8.04 for the x86
[19:49] <Myrtti> alternate or desktop?
[19:49] <jimisrvrox> alt
[19:49] <jimisrvrox> I dl'ed the alt because somebody suggested I do that but I coudlnt tell you the diff btwn the desktop and the alt
[19:49] <Myrtti> well, there should come an option to do a manual editing of the partitions and you can delete the old partitions from there
[19:49] <jimisrvrox> which I could probably research that but if yo uhad the answer to that one it woudl be much easier proabbly to understand
[19:50] <Myrtti> the blue ugly one or the pretty mouse clickable funky thing?
[19:50] <jimisrvrox> right but im telling you that when it gives you the option to manually do the partitions fdisk..it doesnt let you do it when i click on it
[19:50] <jimisrvrox> dos style ugly :D
[19:51] <jimisrvrox> yup..tried to click on manually partition it..from the menu and it just takes me right back to the menu
[19:53] <jimisrvrox> ok I got the partitions off
[19:53] <jimisrvrox> so im gonna try to repartition it
[20:01] <jimisrvrox> hey dude..
[20:01] <jimisrvrox> I deleted the partitions and got the same error
[20:01] <Myrtti> and did you repartition them too?
[20:01] <Myrtti> s/them/the harddrive/
[20:07] <jimisrvrox> yeah I tried
[20:07] <Myrtti> hum, in that case I'm stumped
[20:10] <jimisrvrox> well I think in this case I might just take out my windows boot disk
[20:18] <truefire> hi, how big is xubuntu when installed on hdd?
[20:19] <truefire> anybody?
[20:19] <truefire> Man, xubuntu is dead.
[20:19] <Myrtti> I wish I had vanilla installation at hand so I could check
[20:19] <Myrtti> unfortunately I've got lots of extra, space taking junk too
[20:19] <truefire> thanks.
[20:20] <truefire> well,guesstimate?
[20:20] <truefire> under 2gigs, right?
[20:20] <truefire> I'm installing vanilla xubuntu (not eee) on  my asus eeepc, 4gb
[20:21] <truefire> Ubuntu was too big
[20:21] <truefire> filled it up
[20:21] <truefire> my goal is to make a Xubuntu Netbook Remix of sorts, since UNR is so big.
[20:40] <AlexCONRAD> hi again
[20:41] <AlexCONRAD> I need help for understanding things with kernel again
[20:42] <AlexCONRAD> I'm customizing a CD, but the network driver provided by the distro doesn't fit my network card, its broken. So I compiled the new driver (.ko). But I'd like to put this driver on the CDROM I'm making, so I don't have to go on each PC i'm installing to make the network working.
[20:43] <AlexCONRAD> any hints for doing this ?
[20:44] <AlexCONRAD> I'm no kernel expert and I'm not sure how modules are transfered from the CDROM to the target PC*
[20:53] <jmhealey> hello all
[20:53]  * jmhealey has decided xfce is the way to go at home
[20:54] <jmhealey> anyone here?
[20:55] <AlexCONRAD> i am
[20:57] <jmhealey> hey AlexCONRAD
[20:57] <jmhealey> how are yu
[20:57] <jmhealey> how long have you been using xubuntu, or do you?
[20:57] <AlexCONRAD> just a little
[20:57] <AlexCONRAD> i'm a n00b :)
[20:58] <jmhealey> noob to linux too?
[20:58] <AlexCONRAD> comming from the fedora side
[20:58] <jmhealey> gotcha. i used fedora for a bit, and redhat before fedora existed
[20:58] <AlexCONRAD> but I have more of a server experience, rather than a user desktop experience
[20:59] <AlexCONRAD> so have I
[20:59] <jmhealey> i got ya- are you an admin?
[21:01] <AlexCONRAD> not really, more a dev... but being alone knowing linux at my work, it kinds makes me an admin too
[21:01] <AlexCONRAD> but i'm not very experienced
[21:01] <AlexCONRAD> im ok, not hardcore
[21:02] <jmhealey> i got ya.  i've got no dev experience, but i was kind of the de facto linux admin at my last job, limited experience though in a server env
[21:03] <AlexCONRAD> ok
[21:03] <AlexCONRAD> I'll probably installing a desktop rich distro like *buntu at home and at work
[21:03] <AlexCONRAD> i'll have more general knowledge of linux
[21:04] <AlexCONRAD> right now i'm playing with xubuntu, but for very specific needs
[21:04] <AlexCONRAD> so still no general knowledge
[21:04] <jmhealey> yes, i run *buntu on 6 machines at home.  so i've got some desktop install/config experience, to be sure
[21:06] <AlexCONRAD> i'll be back in a while, diner time :)
[21:06] <jmhealey> see you
[21:16] <jimisrvrox> hey jmhealey are you around?
[21:17] <jmhealey> yep
[21:17] <jmhealey> how are you?
[21:17] <jimisrvrox> not doing so well
[21:18] <jimisrvrox> trying to install xubuntu over PCLinuxOS
[21:18] <jimisrvrox> and its not going to well at all
[21:19] <jmhealey> right over it, on the same partitions?
[21:19] <jimisrvrox> well ive done so much shit like deleting the partitions
[21:19] <jimisrvrox> and repartitioning
[21:19] <jimisrvrox> and then whenever I try to install the system base
[21:19] <jimisrvrox> it tells me that it cant do it
[21:19] <jmhealey> have you got data you need to save?
[21:19] <jimisrvrox> so now I went into resuce mode
[21:19] <jimisrvrox> no
[21:20] <jimisrvrox> this is a screw around computer that I am putting linux on ...ima n00b and officially ex-winblows user
[21:20] <jmhealey> thats cool.   most all are ex windblows users, myself included
[21:20] <jmhealey> what version of xubuntu do you ahve on disk?
[21:21] <jimisrvrox> 8.04 x86 alt cd
[21:21] <jimisrvrox> so I went into rescue mode
[21:21] <jimisrvrox> and got a temp root shell
[21:21] <jmhealey> hmm.   any particular reason for the alternative cd?
[21:21] <jimisrvrox> heh not really havent a clue as to what im doing
[21:21] <jimisrvrox> somebody suggested to run the alt cd
[21:22] <jimisrvrox> got 196mb of ram and a p3 700 running
[21:22] <jmhealey> ok.  i'd recommend that you used the other choice (not the alt)
[21:22] <jimisrvrox> noooo!
[21:22] <jimisrvrox> I dont want to have to go wait for an hour!
[21:22] <jmhealey> lol
[21:22] <jimisrvrox> and then burn another cd to have this one be a coaster
[21:22] <jmhealey>  but then you can  boot to a desktop and see how she runs on that box
[21:23] <jimisrvrox> well yeah but why do something twice?!?
[21:23] <jmhealey> the other cd image is a 'live' one, you can boot right to a desktop, provided the hdw is supported
[21:23] <jimisrvrox> I dont want to have to wait for an hour to dl the same iso but desktop version
[21:23] <jimisrvrox> yes i know its a live cd
[21:23] <jimisrvrox> but so is this one just tha tits a dos shit gui
[21:23] <jmhealey> ok
[21:24] <jimisrvrox> so what the deal is is that i ran the error checker and the cd passed
[21:24] <jimisrvrox> so I started the install and when it got to installing the base system it told me
[21:24] <jimisrvrox> trying to install xubuntu and am getting an error Warning: Failure trying to run: chroot /target dpkg --force-- depends--install var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-10ubuntu3_i386.deb
[21:26] <jmhealey> i don't know what that means
[21:26] <jimisrvrox> I was thinking as a last resort to get a winblows boot disk and just format the drive and start over
[21:26] <jmhealey> but i have had bad burns of ubuntu CD
[21:26] <jimisrvrox> but formatting the 40gb drive would take forever
[21:26] <jimisrvrox> well like I say the cd passed the error checker
[21:26] <jmhealey> forever-  cmon
[21:26] <jimisrvrox> what so you dont think it woudl take that long eh?
[21:27] <jmhealey> i swear i've had CD's that passed the self test, and then hozed out with read errors sometime during install
[21:27] <jimisrvrox> so you think I should just format with windows boot disk and try a clean install?
[21:27] <jmhealey> download system rescue CD and wipe the drive, as well as test it for errors at the same time, thats my advice
[21:27] <jmhealey> you don't need a windblows disk,  get away from that LOL
[21:27] <jimisrvrox> im in the system rescue part of the live cd dude
[21:27] <jimisrvrox> at a root shell
[21:28] <jmhealey> i've not been there, will it let you run parted? try that command
[21:28] <jimisrvrox> just type in parted?
[21:28] <jmhealey> parted can blow away partitions and so can fdisk if you've got it
[21:28] <jmhealey> type parted
[21:29] <jimisrvrox> tells me not found
[21:29] <jmhealey> try fdisk then
[21:29] <jimisrvrox> ok fdisk gives me all the partitions
[21:29] <Volkodav_> gparted
[21:29] <jmhealey> yep, gparted is the gui version of parted
[21:30] <jmhealey> jimisrvrox: you can use fdisk to blow away partions and then creat them
[21:30] <jimisrvrox> yes I know
[21:30] <jimisrvrox> I had repartitioned the drives like i dont know how many times using the installer
[21:30] <jimisrvrox> and still had the same error
[21:30] <jmhealey> then i'd definetly try another burned copy of xubuntu
[21:31] <jmhealey> i've had bad burns that checked out OK with the disk integrity checker.   don't ask me why
[21:32] <jimisrvrox> im gonna run th installer one more time
[21:32] <Volkodav_> I had similar error and it turned out to be bad sectors on the hard drive
[21:32] <jmhealey> http://www.sysresccd.org   <--- download that disk, its the tits
[21:32] <Volkodav_> check your drive first
[21:33] <jmhealey> Volkodav_: good advice, which he can do with sysrecccd
[21:33] <jimisrvrox> ok starting up partitioner
[21:33] <jimisrvrox> and im gonna use the entire disk
[21:34] <Volkodav_> in my situation I could not resize htfs partition and ntfs-resize caught the error
[21:34] <jmhealey> good, cuz that will leave no room for windows : )
[21:34] <jmhealey> one thing i noticed on Vista machines, is that if the Vista OS was not shut down cleanly, I couldnt do a resize.
[21:35] <jimisrvrox> ok its creating the ext3 fs
[21:35] <Volkodav_> and after I replaced that bad drive ram turned out to be trashed too on the same box
[21:35] <jimisrvrox> installing base system
[21:35] <jimisrvrox> this is where it crashes
[21:35] <Volkodav_> you need to defrag  and disk clean up before resize
[21:35] <jmhealey> Volkodav_: that sounds like a bad day
[21:36] <Volkodav_> It was a bad box I dealt with
[21:36] <jmhealey> jimisrvrox: here's the other utility CD i carry everywhere: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[21:36] <Volkodav_> that happens every coupla years
[21:36] <jmhealey> i have a copy of each of those everywhere, in the glovebox my car, my truck, and my motorcycle tank bag.
[21:37] <jmhealey> and in my wife's pocketbook.
[21:37] <Volkodav_> forensic disks are always handy
[21:38] <jimisrvrox> and my other issue here is that no matter what I tell imgburn about write speed my dam dvd writer wants to go at 16x
[21:39] <jimisrvrox> unpacking base system @ 47%
[21:39] <jmhealey> nothing like a good unpacking i tell ya...
[21:40] <Volkodav_> jimisrvrox, it may be blank DVD's that will not go lower speed
[21:40] <jimisrvrox> no theyre cdrs
[21:40] <Volkodav_> or cdr's
[21:40] <jimisrvrox> oh ok so I could put a diff brand in and it will work out fine
[21:41] <jimisrvrox> config apt sorces @ 75%
[21:41] <jmhealey> jimisrvrox: every heard of puppy linux?
[21:41] <jimisrvrox> retreving and installing linux-generic 83%
[21:41] <jimisrvrox> yup
[21:41] <Volkodav_> puppy is nice
[21:42] <jmhealey> yeah, it runs really well on older machine, IMX
[21:42] <Volkodav_> they have video detection problems though
[21:42] <jimisrvrox> ok well error erturned while trying to install the kernel into the target system
[21:43] <jmhealey> i was just at a LUG meeting and there was a dude there that was a Puppy Linux freak.  he ran it on everything
[21:43] <Volkodav_> at higher res
[21:43] <jimisrvrox> check /var/log/sysing or see virtual console 4 for the details
[21:43] <jmhealey> jimisrvrox: I'm leaning toward Volkodav_'s comment, you got a flaky hard drive
[21:43] <Volkodav_> I have it installed on one of my oldeast lappies
[21:43] <jimisrvrox> ok but why could I install PCLinuxOS have it run fine
[21:43] <jimisrvrox> and the when I tried to install this
[21:43] <jimisrvrox> it wouldnt even install
[21:44] <jmhealey> how long was PCLin on there?
[21:44] <jimisrvrox> like all of a couple of hours
[21:44] <jimisrvrox> because the package manager wouldnt load
[21:44] <jmhealey> hmm.
[21:44] <Volkodav_> checked your ram ?
[21:44] <jimisrvrox> for bad ram?
[21:44] <jimisrvrox> no
[21:44] <Volkodav_> do that
[21:44] <jmhealey> pull it and reseat it, too
[21:45] <jimisrvrox> and the other funny thing about this whole thing is that when i start it up I get primary slave hard disk fail
[21:46] <jimisrvrox> but I was able to run XP and PCLin on it fine
[21:46] <Volkodav_> I had XP running on that bad disk too
[21:46] <Volkodav_> it depends where the bad sectors are
[21:47] <jmhealey> agreed
[21:47] <Volkodav_> If they happen to be at the end of the drive where you try to install - no luck
[21:47] <jimisrvrox> running mem test
[21:48] <jimisrvrox> i take it that that is going to take a while?
[21:48] <jmhealey> jimisrvrox: please tell me you aren't thinking of going back to windows
[21:48] <Volkodav_> Does the box acting up any other way ? noises shutdowns etc?
[21:48] <Volkodav_> How much ram do you have and what CPU?
[21:49] <jimisrvrox> no im not going back to winblows
[21:49] <jimisrvrox> I expected problems with linux
[21:49] <jmhealey> ok ok.  just chekcing
[21:49] <jimisrvrox> but I am not giving up on it
[21:49] <jimisrvrox> Im using xp on this machine right now
[21:49] <jimisrvrox> but I dont intend to use it that much once I get a linux distro up
[21:49] <Volkodav_> hardly it has anything to do with linux - seems like hardware issue to me
[21:50] <jimisrvrox> no sounds no nothing
[21:50] <jimisrvrox> p3 700 196mb ram
[21:50] <Volkodav_> will take about 30-40 m in
[21:50] <Volkodav_> to finish mem test
[21:51] <jmhealey> jimisrvrox: ar eyou in the US?
[21:51] <jimisrvrox> yeah
[21:51] <Volkodav_> it sometimes will not stop and will start over - so keep an eye on it
[21:51] <jimisrvrox> well right now pass 17% and test 41%
[21:52] <jmhealey> ok, there is a different iso to burn if you are south of the equator, that's why i asked
[21:52] <jimisrvrox> so im gonna go outside and smoke a cig so i'll brb
[21:52] <jmhealey> ok
[21:52]  * Volkodav_ out of smokes
[21:53] <jmhealey> Volkodav_: are you a linux professional?
[21:53] <Volkodav_> been playing with it for a while
[21:53] <Volkodav_> may say so
[21:53] <jmhealey> same here, aspiring to be a pro
[21:53] <jmhealey> i am a former nt admin
[21:54] <jmhealey> What is your preferred desktop linux distro?
[21:54] <Volkodav_> I still admin some networks
[21:54] <Volkodav_> I run gentoo and archlinux
[21:54] <jmhealey> i am currently not employed
[21:54] <Volkodav_> ubuntu in the office
[21:54] <jmhealey> ah, a guy at work was deep into gentoo
[21:54] <Volkodav_> I am part time
[21:55] <jmhealey> what state are you in?


[06:01] <sonu_nk> pavlushka, yaar kuch solution h ?
[06:01] <pavlushka> lets see :)
[06:02] <sonu_nk> i am puting my haris
[06:02] <sonu_nk> i am puting my hairs
[06:15] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: ok, you are pulling your hairs, right :)
[06:16] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: give us the paste of "sudo apt autoremove" or "sudo apt-get autoremove", lets see
[06:19] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: give us a paste of "do-release-upgrade -d", but dont confirm it
[06:19] <sonu_nk> ok
[06:19] <sonu_nk> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[06:19] <sonu_nk> No new release found
[06:23] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: go to the software and updates and go to the update tab and give us a screenshot on imgur.com
[06:23] <pavlushka> "sofware and updates"
[06:24] <sonu_nk> http://imgur.com/a/jNZNd
[06:34] <pavlushka> sonu_nk:  check mark on all of the above and then do a "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[06:35] <pavlushka> on the "software and updates" update tab
[06:45] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: and please give a screenshot of  "software and updates" update tab on imgut.com again
[06:46] <sonu_nk> http://imgur.com/a/2g9K9
[07:11] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: run "sudo apt clean"
[07:16] <sonu_nk>  sudo apt-get clean done
[07:16] <sonu_nk> pavlushka, ^
[07:34] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: try it, "sudo apt install inxi"
[07:35] <sonu_nk> done
[07:48] <sonu_nk> main bhai is pc ko  tod rha hu
[07:48] <sonu_nk> hathode se
[07:49] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: what is the result of  "dpkg -l update-manager-core" ?
[07:49] <sonu_nk> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25137910/
[07:49] <u-la-la> [ Ubuntu Pastebin ] - https://paste.ubuntu.com
[07:51] <pavlushka> !info update-manager-core trusty
[07:51] <lubotu2`> update-manager-core (source: update-manager): manage release upgrades. In component main, is standard. Version 1:0.196.23 (trusty), package size 8 kB, installed size 168 kB
[07:54] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: ok, you can do a fresh install from an ubuntu-16.04.2 iso (download it)
[07:54] <sonu_nk> hahaha...
[07:54] <pavlushka> :p
[08:07] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: tumare pas hathode hai? :p
[08:08] <sonu_nk> han h bhai
[08:08] <sonu_nk> main village me rahta hu yahan sb kuch


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[20:37] <olscumpy> it was finishing the paste, sorry
[20:37] <noone> i'm using nvidia
[20:37] <noone> and i know about that
[20:37] <nacc> teknoprep: err, sorry, misread the page, it seems like it's 'optional' (which might mean it's not enabled in the ubuntu kernel, not sure
[20:37] <bekks> olscumpy: I told you the command to type, I did not tell you to spam my query.
[20:37] <teknoprep> qq
[20:37] <noone> just search in google
[20:38] <Nicknewbie> Shalom
[20:38] <teknoprep> brb.. i need to swap out video cards wtf lol
[20:38] <olscumpy> sorry, it was just one message in my window
[20:38] <nacc> noone: please read /topic and be helpful, ask a question if you you need help, but please don't provide random messages.
[20:38] <bekks> !pastebin | olscumpy
[20:41] <redhot> @nacc 14.04
[20:41] <nuxil> hello.
[20:41] <olscumpy> oh, this is that underscore issue again
[20:41] <olscumpy> my relay makes underscores look like spaces, sorry
[20:41] <olscumpy> now that I copy-pasted I see the underscore
[20:42] <nuxil> how can i make my own bootscreen ? you know that animated thingt that said ubuntu when you power the pc ?
[20:42] <nuxil> !bootscreen
[20:42] <olscumpy> it is ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
[20:42] <nacc> !info nginx-extras trusty | redhot
[20:42] <nuxil> osvaldo_: ya
[20:43] <k1l> nuxil: its called splashscreen and plymouth is used. look for themes for that
[20:43] <redhot> yay, nice ommand
[20:43] <redhot> thanks!
[20:43] <nuxil> k1l: i dont want themes that others made. i want to make my own. how hard is it ?
[20:43] <nacc> redhot: np
[20:44] <nuxil> !plymouth
[20:44] <redhot>  !info nginx-extras xenial
[20:44] <kernelcruncher> nacc: some stuff was unchecked and they have been re-enabled but it's still running up errors even after running apt-get update
[20:45] <teknoprep> ok... when i only have 1 video card in.. this runs great on 3 monitors... on 2 video cards with 6 monitors... its bad
[20:46] <nacc> teknoprep: that particular card (which i guess is sea islands?) needs CONFIG_DRM_AMDGPU_CIK which is not on in the ubuntu kernels, afaict
[20:46] <teknoprep> i have r7-260x btw
[20:46] <teknoprep> not the other one i said... i just pulled it out and checked
[20:46] <nacc> teknoprep: oh ok
[20:46] <BryGuy_> hi
[20:47] <bekks> teknoprep: Which other card do you have?
[20:47] <teknoprep> both are the same
[20:47] <kernelcruncher> nacc: i asked to see the other software tab and he has: https://postimg.org/image/c0n7pt7zd/
[20:48] <teknoprep> i am going to try an older video card instead of 2 of the higher version
[20:48] <teknoprep> see what happens
[20:48] <nacc> teknoprep: i think that one is still sea islands and still needs that enabled
[20:48] <nacc> teknoprep: based upon my reading of https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Amdgpu and http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-R7-260X-AMDGPU
[20:48] <kernelcruncher> nacc: that seems mighty odd doesn't it
[20:49] <nacc> kernelcruncher: it does seem to be there. can you or your friend pastebin the output of `apt-get update` and then whatever command it is that is failing?
[20:51] <kernelcruncher> nacc: but the other software section seems to be full of the main repos, where I would perhaps expect only an odd PPA
[20:53] <nacc> kernelcruncher: true, what's listed on the 'Ubuntu Software' tab?
[20:54] <kernelcruncher> nacc: the 4 main one but not the source code
[20:56] <nacc> kernelcruncher: can your friend pastebin what i requested a bit ago?
[20:57] <nacc> kernelcruncher: i wonder if your friend has added/modified the sources file to include some archives twice
[20:57] <kernelcruncher> nacc: stand by, thanks mate
[21:02] <legioner22> hi
[21:02] <legioner22> there
[21:03] <kernelcruncher> nacc: we might be making progress: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23143141/
[21:04] <kernelcruncher> nacc: I suggested running apt-get -f install
[21:05] <teknoprep> hi all again
[21:06] <teknoprep> will this device work with ubuntu 16.04 --> 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Turks XT [Radeon HD 6670/7670]
[21:06] <teknoprep> i have 4 monitors working on a single video card the r7-260x... i was hoping to get the other 2 working on the above video car
[21:07] <teknoprep> i found a doc on the net that says yet its supported
[21:07] <Bashing-om> kernelcruncher: For your think'n purposes . My 14.04 install :  linux-headers-3.13.0-92-generic       3.13.0-92.139 .
[21:07] <teknoprep> problem is the monitors don't show up to enable those monitors
[21:07] <nacc> Bashing-om: thanks
[21:07] <kernelcruncher> nacc: thanks
[21:09] <nacc> kernelcruncher: it seems like your friend is oddly out of date (wanting to install <IP_ADDRESS>.99 rather than <IP_ADDRESS>.139, e.g.
[21:09] <nacc> kernelcruncher: i'd really like to see that apt-get update
[21:09] <nacc> kernelcruncher: and/or, `apt-cache policy linux-headers-generic`
[21:09] <nacc> kernelcruncher: make that 'and' only :)
[21:10] <kernelcruncher> nacc: that was what the terminal feedback was asking for but it was probably due to the fact that he had disbaled his sources
[21:10] <Bashing-om> kernelcruncher: nacc :: " sysop@1404mini:~$ uname -r >> 3.13.0-95-generic " we should be able to remove the obsolete -92 kernel ?? As a thought .
[21:11] <bekks> Bashing-om: Yes.
[21:11] <kernelcruncher> His sytem is grinding to a bit of a halt atm
[21:11] <nacc> Bashing-om: yep, that was my next suggestion
[21:11] <nacc> Bashing-om: it all feels rather dated :)
[21:12] <nacc> err, *was going to be
[21:12] <Bashing-om> nacc: Yup .. Them what do not do the homework, get behind .. huh ?
[21:12] <nacc> Bashing-om: :)
[21:14] <nacc> kernelcruncher: so i have a couple of suppositions: 1) odd sources configuration may be leading to weird conflicts; 2) a kernel package was manually specified as to-be-installed (e.g., linux-image-generic-3.13.0-91-generic)
[21:15] <Jakey3> whats the point of the password for users and root if when you mount the hard frive you can get at all the files anyhow?
[21:15] <kernelcruncher> nacc: I may have to revisit this as the friend is loosing the will to live and stay awake here in the UK
[21:15] <nacc> kernelcruncher: totally fine, i'll be on again in the AM my time tomorrow (which would be a bit more normal time for the UK, at least)
[21:16] <Diplomat> Hey guys, does anyone have any experience with optimizing NFS for small files? I'm extracting few k files from a zip file and it takes literally like 3-4 minutes to complete
[21:16] <nacc> Jakey3: as which user can you "get all the files" ?
[21:16] <nacc> Jakey3: or do you mean mounting a hdd in a different system?
[21:16] <bekks> Diplomat: Which connection speed? 100MBit/s?
[21:16] <Jakey3> the second
[21:16] <nacc> Jakey3: well, if you have physical access to a system, you might as well be root
[21:17] <nacc> Jakey3: you can do all sorts of malicious stuff
[21:17] <nacc> Jakey3: like reinstalling it.
[21:17] <Diplomat> bekks.. I don't think there's a limit. I have got 150mb/s+ with larger files, but it's horribly slow with small ones
[21:17] <Diplomat> I'm sure it goes up to 1gbit
[21:17] <Jakey3> nacc, true you could wipe the hard drive
[21:17] <bekks> Diplomat: Which connection speed do you use? 100MBit/s? GBit/s? 10GbE?
[21:17] <nacc> Jakey3: what you would be looking for, if you want a more secure environment is encryption
[21:17] <Jakey3> but you would have access to the files
[21:17] <bekks> Diplomat: Connection speed, not transfer speed.
[21:17] <Jakey3> wouldn;t
[21:18] <Diplomat> bekks: no idea, I'm using AWS EFS
[21:18] <bekks> Diplomat: So find out :)
[21:18] <Jakey3> nacc, yes i was surprised
[21:18] <bekks> Diplomat: Investigate the settings of your network interfaces.
[21:18] <nacc> Jakey3: i'm not sure i follow why it's surprising?
[21:18] <Jakey3> i could just mount a hard in an external machine
[21:18] <Jakey3> boom all the files availible
[21:19] <Diplomat> bekks: does it matter? the speed? because big files move around really nice and fast.. it's just small ones
[21:19] <nacc> Jakey3: right -- so the moment you are physically able to do that, your security model (if it relies on just users+ passwords) is out the window
[21:19] <bekks> Diplomat: Yes, it does matter. Thats why I am asking.
[21:19] <nacc> Jakey3: if you need disk-level security, you need more than users + passwords
[21:19] <Jakey3> nacc, yes
[21:20] <Jakey3> it actually worked in my favour
[21:20] <Jakey3> as i changed my password and couldnt retrive
[21:20] <Jakey3> so mounted the hard drive and copied over the files
[21:20] <Jakey3> to another computer
[21:21] <nacc> that seems like an extreme approach, but ok
[21:21] <Jakey3> nacc, how else could i have gotten to them
[21:21] <Jakey3> i didnt have the users or roots passord
[21:23] <nacc> Jakey3: recovery mode?
[21:23] <Jakey3> you need root password
[21:23] <nacc> Jakey3: from the root shell? i don't think that used to be true -- don't have a system to test on right now, though
[21:24] <nacc> Jakey3: e.g. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword ?
[21:24] <k1l> Jakey3: no one said your system is secure if the attacke got physical access. that is why there is encryption
[21:24] <nacc> Jakey3: along a similar vein, the recovery method way does presume physical access
[21:25] <Jakey3> yep
[21:26] <Jakey3> im getting 91.6MB/s transfer speads on my lan
[21:26] <Jakey3> what speeds do others get on theirs
[21:27] <bekks> Depends on the protocol, data, and benchmark method.
[21:27] <Jakey3> scp
[21:27] <k1l> depends on used networks, used transfer protocols and used hardware read and write.
[21:27] <Jakey3> ssd to hdd
[21:27] <bekks> Jakey3: we would need the same data for a comparable benchmark, and the same disks,
[21:28] <Jakey3> true, was wondering if it possible to get a gig transfer speeds on a home network
[21:29] <bekks> Sure, using hardware capable of that.
[21:29] <Jakey3> is it affordable
[21:29] <Jakey3> for the average joe
[21:29] <k1l> no
[21:29] <bekks> Thats offtopic on here.
[21:29] <bekks> *in
[21:39] <anabain> hi, I'm trying to get FN + F7 working on my new asus laptop (16.04.1), and in the script I'm writing I need to get the right value for the current user using the X server.
[21:40] <anabain> To be precise, I'm talking about this:
[21:40] <anabain> DISPLAY=:0 XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority xset dpms force off
[21:42] <anabain> which does not work. $USER is not got at all. If I put `whoami` instead, it doesn't work either, because it gets "root", not the actual user who is using X at the moment of the key stroke.
[21:42] <djp4567> I have xubuntu-16.04 install on a hp-6910p laptop.  Eveything appears to be fine, however, it complains about tpm_tis.  I have the tpm-tools installed, and I have blacklisted the tpm_tis module (lsmod | grep -i tpm) indicates that it is not loaded.  It will generate an exception during boot about 50% of the time.  Is there anything else that I should be doing?
[21:44] <djp4567> This is a fresh install
[21:45] <anabain> My guess for solving that was to get the owner of some process which is being used by this user (the windows manager, or whatever it fits) and then use that info. How can I do this?
[21:47] <Ben64> anabain: why is it running as root
[21:50] <anabain> because the script is launched when the system (acpid service) receives the keystroke, I guess, Ben64. The script is launched by an event + action definition located at /etc/acpi/events/ dir
[21:53] <teknoprep> i can only get 4 monitors to work out of 6
[21:53] <teknoprep> whenver i add the 2nd video card.. it just doesn't allow me to start up those monitors
[21:55] <jerichowasahoax> anabain: you could run $(xhost +localhost) as your user, but be warned that lets anyone logged in on your local machine start messing with your display
[21:59] <maxcell_> anabain, hi, idk if its possible but, what if you get the result of printenv |grep DISPLAY in your shell script?
[22:00] <anabain> maxcell_, what I actually need is the name of the user who made the keystroke, not the number of the display
[22:00] <maxcell_> anabain, hmm
[22:02] <maxcell_> anabain, there is a log or something in the system that register the last login?
[22:03] <maxcell_> anabain, can be the output of the command WHO, would help you?
[22:04] <Bashing-om> anabain: ' /etc/passwd ' ??
[22:09] <anabain> maxcell_, perhaps the 1st field of ' who ' output (from the 1st line)
[22:12] <maxcell_> anabain, thats the idea but, sometimes, when someone connects on your PC via SSH it will appears in the command "who" aswell, but since its not a local connection the output is different and, someday in the future you will need to improve the shell code to distringuish the Local for the Internet login.
[22:13] <maxcell_> anabain, leaving this aside, what you think? you think you can make it work?
[22:14] <anabain> maxcell_, I'm also thinking of using the last command, which could be more useful, because it displays if the user is logged on X or in terminal
[22:15] <anabain> maxcell_, the ' last ' command, :)
[22:15] <Generlissimo> @bvanderlaan - what's your problem?
[22:16] <maxcell_> anabain, yeah, you mean the 'who' command?
[22:17] <maxcell_> it says ttyX and stuff
[22:17] <anabain> the ' last ' command. There is a command called 'last'
[22:17] <maxcell_> ah let me see
[22:17] <maxcell_> nice
[22:18] <maxcell_> it saves a log you found it
[22:18] <maxcell_> can be usefull
[22:18] <maxcell_> i gess
[22:19] <anabain> the idea for the script would be then to get the last user logged on using X, maxcell_, checking fields from lines
[22:22] <maxcell_> anabain, yeah, get the one with "still running" result and X on. The only question that left is, Linux are a multi-user OS so, it will work but only when you were the only one User logged in only one X
[22:28] <hi> hi
[22:29] <anabain> maxcell_, yeah. Anyway, I think there must be one way to get which user is currently using the keyboard (i.e., making key strokes on it)...
[22:29] <Guest89967> Can anyone advise if on 16.04 I can uninstall qtcontacts for galera or what I might need it for?
[22:29] <maxcell_> anabain, yes i think it is, but i dont know where
[22:31] <maxcell_> anabain, i'm looking at /etc/X11/Xsession file
[22:32] <maxcell_> anabain, you think its the Xorg that forwards the command to acpi events?
[22:37] <anabain> maxcell_, sorry but I don't understand you. The flow is: keystroke -> acpi listens -> file at /etc/acpi/events registers it through an event and action definitions; action is assigned the script which contains the command that needs the username of the user who stroke the keys
[22:38] <maxcell_> anabain, i'm a little lost yeah, but i was trying to find the "keystroke" itself, you said earlier that the ACPI listen as a root user so you cant get the real $user right?
[22:39] <maxcell_> anabain, you mean that the keystroke itself seems to be done as a $root
[22:40] <maxcell_> anabain, ?
[22:42] <maxcell_> anabain, i think the keystroke is connectec to the USB itself and there is no $USER in this, its just a Device and the Kernel is running it so, you cant get any $user from this
[22:45] <Vacuum_> I have z97 Asus board and my USB hard drive gets disconnected very often. I am running kubuntu 16.0.1 LTS. Is there a way to fix this issue?
[22:45] <anabain> maxcell_, but it has to know where to show the characters, right? What if there are two displays on the system, one being used by our user, and the other by another user?
[22:47] <abaldygle> Vacuum:   Super glue the cable???  Seriously might check the power settings and insure the drive is not sleeping
[22:47] <Vacuum_> abaldygle: it often happens on heavy activity I/O but I am not sure. It happens on idle state too
[22:48] <Vacuum_> abaldygle: I googled and may others have this issue but different reasons. None fit me
[22:48] <maxcell_> anabain, i think in that case, the solution is to alway get the minimal number of the DISPLAY:= like, if there is 2 users, one will be DISPLAY=:0 and the other one will be :1 right? :1 Probably will be the one that arent in you Physical Laptop
[22:48] <Vacuum_> abaldygle: I plugged the drive to another pc, it worked fine. So wires are ok.
[22:48] <Vacuum_> abaldygle: Either driver or bios issue
[22:49] <Vacuum_> abaldygle:  how to check poiwer settings?
[22:49] <abaldygle> Vacuum:   Mine was  a power setting on this Dell laptop in the Bios.
[22:50] <maxcell_> anabain, sorry, i understand now what you said...
[22:50] <Vacuum_> abaldygle:  you got the same problem?
[22:50] <maxcell_> anabain, so the X have his way to control that stuff
[22:50] <abaldygle> Vacuum:  I did and changed a USB powersetting in bios of laptop.
[22:50] <abaldygle> Vacuum:  No worries since
[22:51] <Vacuum_> abaldygle: so you did got a similar problem once?
[22:52] <abaldygle> Vacuum:  Yes  solved in bios power settings for USB
[22:52] <maxcell_> anabain, you think is the Xorg that controls that link? To the keystroke, to the ACPI, than back to the right Monitor or Display
[22:54] <maxcell_> anabain, i think if "somebody" knows the $user, has to be the X. I gess he is requiering the Keystroke from the ACPI. The kernel itself doesnt know anything but the X is requiering the keystroke. Thats what i think, what you think?
[22:56] <Vacuum_> abaldygle:  cant find the opiton on z97
[22:57] <abaldygle> Vacuum:  Sorry I am then at a loss for solution for you.
[22:57] <anabain> maxcell_, honestly, I don't know, that's why I'm asking :)
[22:57] <JennyX> hello
[22:58] <backbox> hello
[22:58] <backbox> hello
[22:59] <backbox> ei
[22:59] <tomreyn> !hi
[22:59] <backbox> hi
[22:59] <backbox> where are you from
[22:59] <backbox> hi
[23:01] <maxcell_> anabain, goodluck than hope you find your answer
[23:02] <Surfer2010>  Hello is there a ubuntu server for pictures so users can modify the exif information of the files?
[23:02] <energizer> I'd like to learn more seriously about my os. Is there a book y'all'd recommend?
[23:02] <anabain> maxcell_, thanx, you've been so nice
[23:02] <Surfer2010> Online or in the lokal network while looking at them
[23:03] <maxcell_> anabain, yeah you know, nothing to do... interesting subject...
[23:03] <Vacuum_> is there something similar in kubuntu ? http://www.eightforums.com/attachments/tutorials/48220d1407174562-power-options-add-remove-usb-selective-suspend-usb_selective_suspend_setting.png?s=bb4c46ef0fa2bae5046addfa93baf9c4
[23:04] <maxcell_> anabain, sorry for not been to much helpfull
[23:04] <maxcell_> being*, idk
[23:05] <tomreyn> Surfer2010: i bet you'd find some web applications which allow for doing so. you are possibly looking for a media asset management system.
[23:06] <anabain> maxcell_, no problem, in fact, although the problem was not solved, you gave me some good insight and ideas
[23:07] <Surfer2010> Most will show them and keep sql  db about tags but not save them in the exif
[23:07] <maxcell_> anabain, cool
[23:07] <maxcell_> anabain, you too
[23:16] <donofrio> is this project worked on anymore? http://ubuntusatanic.org/livecd.php (don't need it just like wow 10.X = lol)
[23:20] <multiplex> Are there are people in here that could lend an ear for a problem I'm having with compiling?
[23:20] <donofrio> multiplex, what are you compiliin
[23:24] <multiplex> hey
[23:24] <multiplex> I ran make modules_install after compiling a 4.4.2 kernel and it broke all of the modules and module management support on my host system
[23:25] <multiplex> and now my build environment is broken
[23:25] <multiplex> it's just weird because that has never happened to me before.
[23:26] <Capum321> could you give some explanation how to install tech-faq.com/gnupg-shell.shtml  on ubuntu in the form of source code
[23:26] <multiplex> I always compile kernels in /source/foo.kernel and it's never smacked my host system before
[23:32] <Capum321> multiplex: do you know pingpin?
[23:34] <Capum321> where is everyone?
[23:34] <Capum321> watching the game?
[23:34] <kogmo> Present
[23:34] <Capum321> hello
[23:34] <nacc> multiplex: that does seem like an odd behavior. You might ask in ##linux, as it seems unlikely to be an ubuntu-specific question.
[23:35] <Capum321> do you know about compiling, intalling from source code?
[23:35] <nacc> !source | Capum321
[23:35] <nacc> bah
[23:35] <nacc> !compiling | Capum321
[23:35] <multiplex> I don't think i know him lol
[23:36] <multiplex> and yeah, I was just here and  thought i'd ask.  I have asked in other rooms but am waiting on a reply
[23:36] <Capum321> great nac
[23:36] <Capum321> nacc:
[23:37] <nacc> multiplex: can you clarify 'broke all of the modules and module management'? As you are compiling in /source, did you place appropriate permissions there? You're not comiling as root, are you?
[23:37] <Capum321> whats your encryption - file/volume - solution ?
[23:38] <Penorsaurus> I had a question for you guys
[23:38] <Penorsaurus> if I do sudo crontab -e
[23:38] <Penorsaurus> I assume it'll put me in the root's crontab?
[23:38] <nacc> Capum321: that seems like a very vague question?
[23:38] <nacc> Penorsaurus: I believe that's right, yes
[23:38] <Penorsaurus> Okay
[23:39] <Capum321> nacc, how narrow it? i expect broad answers
[23:39] <Penorsaurus> I'm trying to setup a crontab nacc where the server will restart every 30 minutes.
[23:39] <Penorsaurus> I am doing: */30 * * * * root shutdown -r +5
[23:39] <Penorsaurus> I assume this is correct?
[23:39] <nacc> Capum321: this the Ubuntu support channel, not a general discussion channel
[23:40] <multiplex> it was done as root, yeah.  I was half asleep.  and basically my kmod functions like handing of modules, etc are not working at all.  The whole distribution is compiled from source, so i cant just reinstall anything so to speak
[23:40] <nacc> multiplex: so not ubuntu?
[23:40] <Capum321> nacc: why you complaining? it's ubuntu related, no?
[23:40] <nacc> multiplex: also, it is bad practice to compile the kernel as root
[23:40] <bazhang> Capum321, ##linux for that
[23:40] <nacc> Capum321: because channels have topics and policies
[23:40] <multiplex> xubuntu is my host system whem i chroot
[23:41] <nacc> multiplex: oh i see
[23:41] <multiplex> anyways, if the topc is a bother I'll head out
[23:41] <nacc> multiplex: i'd need more details to help -- what is happening precisely (ideally in a pastebin)
[23:42] <donofrio> head on out.....
[23:42] <donofrio> was weird he pm'ed me curse stuff.....many people to make the world go around I guess...
[23:42] <maxcell_> well very tired
[23:43] <nacc> Penorsaurus: seems like a weird use-case, but I think that's right -- are you seeing different behavior?
[23:43] <Penorsaurus> I am just trying this set of commands
[23:43] <Penorsaurus> a simple "reboot" with not specifying root wasn't working
[23:43] <donofrio> Penorsaurus, what are you running that you need to reboot every 30 min?
[23:43] <Penorsaurus> Its a VM
[23:44] <nacc> Penorsaurus: that didn't really answer the question? :)
[23:44] <Penorsaurus> just a simple python script
[23:45] <Penorsaurus> on restart it refreshes
[23:45] <donofrio> Penorsaurus, I would think you'd want https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAUvfqLEWuA
[23:45] <Penorsaurus> lol.
[23:45] <Penorsaurus> home server
[23:46] <Penorsaurus> power goes out more than I'd like xP
[23:46] <Penorsaurus> has a UPS but still.
[23:46] <nacc> Penorsaurus: well, i think the 'user' specification only applies normally to /etc/crontab or other system-wide crontabs
[23:47] <nacc> Penorsaurus: you're editing the root users's crontab in contrast
[23:47] <nacc> Penorsaurus: i'd read through `man 5 crontab`
[23:47] <nacc> Penorsaurus: the 'user' field only applies, i think, to /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d/*
[23:47] <Penorsaurus> I am issueing crontab -e
[23:47] <Penorsaurus> what does that pull?
[23:48] <Capum321> does ubuntu repositories contain tech-faq's gnupg-shell ?
[23:48] <Penorsaurus> I had a command that was working fine before
[23:48] <Penorsaurus> why didn't i just comment it out :(
[23:48] <Capum321> or any GUI alternative?
[23:48] <nacc> Penorsaurus: crontab -e edits a particular user's crontab
[23:48] <Penorsaurus> sudo crontab-e would edit root's?
[23:48] <nacc> Penorsaurus: yes
[23:49] <nacc> Penorsaurus: which is different than both /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d/*
[23:54] <danny_> anybody have any luck with system shock 2 on linux?
[23:54] <Capum321> am i on lag or everyone is idle?
[23:58] <ellieaims> I got a dual boot (win10 and ubuntu16.04) with legacy boot loader (acer aspire s7 with i5 and intel hd3000), and when i restarted the computer after chosing ubuntu in the grub menu it's just a blank purple screen. I can't think of anyting i did before i rebooted it. booting into win10 works still. Any suggestions?
[23:59] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | ellieaims


[12:06] <howarth> Is anyone having any luck with installing the non-free nvidia drivers on Cosmic with a GTX 680?
[12:06] <howarth> Closest I have gotten is getting the stock nvidia-driver-390 to install but it still produces a black screen instead of the gdm
[12:07] <howarth> No obvious errors in the system log or X11.org.log
[12:08] <howarth> but I did notice that, unlike the System76 xenial nvidia installation, cosmis is loading both the nvidia and nouveau drivers
[12:09] <howarth> unless I am confused, cosmic uses nouveau for gdm but nvidia for the actual X11 session
[12:09] <howarth> which seems like it is just asking for trouble
[12:31] <gpunk> you need to uninstall nouveau/blacklist it
[12:32] <gpunk> buht it should be done by the nvidia installation
[13:21] <howarth> if you have the nvidia drivers installed successfully, do you have any blacklisting added by the the packages?
[13:21] <howarth> The System76 driver packages for xenial (they roll their own) use
[13:22] <howarth> blacklist nouveau
[13:22] <howarth> blacklist lbm-nouveau
[13:22] <howarth> blacklist nvidia-current
[13:22] <howarth> blacklist nvidia-173
[13:22] <howarth> blacklist nvidia-96
[13:22] <howarth> blacklist nvidia-current-updates
[13:23] <howarth> options nvidia_384_drm modeset=0
[13:24] <howarth> is used in modprobes.d on System76 but the current nvidia packages seem to install a nouveau drm instead
[13:26] <howarth> I was also puzzled by the fact that the current nvidia packaging installed for 390 by cosmic apparently hasn't seen an update since August
[13:27] <howarth> which makes you wonder how seriously it is really being worked on
[13:27] <gpunk> for me it works just fine, gtx860m
[13:28] <howarth> did you install from a ppa or from the Software Update control panel proprietary driver tab?
[13:29] <howarth> there seems to be several alternative sources for the graphics drivers
[13:29] <gpunk> manually with apt , from ubuntu repo
[13:29] <howarth> the ones installed from Software Update actually required a hack to fully install
[13:30] <gpunk> but bumblebee didnt work, for info
[13:30] <howarth> so ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa?
[13:31] <howarth> if so what does your blacklisting for using nvidia look like?
[13:31] <gpunk> not ppa , but ubuntu repo
[13:32] <howarth> so with 'sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall'?
[13:33] <howarth> It is really hard to pin down which approach is currently even viable to try to debug further
[13:33] <gpunk>  /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-installer-disable-nouveau.conf:blacklist nouveau
[13:35] <howarth> and I assume you added no ppa's at all to install the nvidia drivers, right?
[13:35] <gpunk> yes
[13:36] <howarth> so what command did you use to install the working nvidia driver?
[13:38] <howarth> ie did you use the metapackage 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver-390'?
[13:39] <howarth> The Software Update control panel claims that the 390 driver is tested so I assume that is want I want to be debugging on cosmic
[13:40] <howarth> FYI, this on a 2008 MacPro with a EVGA FTX 680 flashed with the Mac ROMs.
[13:40] <howarth> Windows has no issue nor does nouveau under cosmic
[13:41] <gpunk> apt install nvidia-driver-390 nvidia-dkms-390
[13:41] <howarth> but so far every combo that I have tried goes to completely black screen (as in backlighting off) whenever it gets past the Ubuntu splash screen
[13:41] <howarth> so it appears to be puking on gdm
[13:41] <howarth> no crashes in the syslog though
[13:42] <howarth> okay, I'll try your recipe tonight
[13:42] <gpunk> and remember to blacklist nouveau
[13:43] <howarth> one thing I am a bit unclear on is when the blacklisting takes effect
[13:43] <howarth> the boot is done entirely from a kernel image file
[13:44] <howarth> so do that blacklisting inhibit the bundling of nouveau into the kernel image or just its loading?
[13:45] <gpunk> while loadig modules it skips it
[13:45] <gpunk> and modules dont get bounded into kernel
[13:46] <gpunk> some of them are put in the initramfs thingy
[13:47] <howarth> According to https://superuser.com/questions/577307/how-to-get-a-list-of-active-drivers-that-are-statically-built-into-the-linux-ker one can check for the bundled modules
[13:47] <howarth> it would be interesting to know if on your machine the built kernel even has nouveau
[13:48] <howarth> I was wondering if that could be part of my issues
[13:48] <gpunk> those are the drivers , loadable drivers are modules
[13:48] <gpunk> no it doesnt , nouveau is a Module-driver not a driver-compiled-in-the-kernel
[13:49] <gpunk> you cannot have a driver compiled in AND loadable module
[13:50] <gpunk> for the same purpose
[13:50] <howarth> I haven't down kernel builds for awhile and ubuntu is pretty opaque on what it is doing
[13:51] <gpunk> well what i am telling you universal, nothing to do with ubuntu
[13:51] <gpunk> is*
[13:52] <howarth> okay, so the image only has a fbdev I guess until the boot load the actual modules from the system disk
[13:53] <howarth> I can't find the url at the moment but I swear I read somewhere a blurb about bionic/cosmic nvidia using nouveau for gdm
[13:54] <gpunk> nope dont worry :)
[13:56] <howarth> I've been trying stuff like https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-10-cosmic-cuttlefish-linux
[13:57] <howarth> which is weird that they keep updating that page yet never mentioning blacklisting at all
[13:57] <howarth> and the page was updated yesterday
[13:58] <gpunk> yes, as i said before, it should be automatic, but your case, you already tryed "things"
[13:59] <gpunk> oh, in thzt page, i just read it, THEY mention disabling nouveau too
[14:00] <gpunk> when you do stuff manually
[14:01] <howarth> well this card has two DVIs, a display port and HDMI so I have suspected that nouveau is shifting the nvidia driver onto another display port
[14:01] <gpunk> niet
[14:05] <howarth> I probsbly should also try a clean install of cosmic to test this as I am using an apt-get upgraded version of cosmic from bionic


[01:51] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[01:59] <OerHeks> :-)
[01:59] <lotuspsychje> ; )
[06:26] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:36] <ducasse> good morning
[07:33] <EoflaOE> good morning
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> morning EoflaOE
[07:33] <EoflaOE> good morning to you too lotuspsychje. How is your day?
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> starts good, sunny, coffee,..
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> hows your start going
[07:38] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: My start is good.
[07:39] <EoflaOE> How is the kernel going?
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: i had a user with realtek & kernel 5.0 flickering too
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> i had him also affect the bug
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: i dont expect a solution fast..
[07:40] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: Yes. Which Realtek device? The same Ethernet one?
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:41] <EoflaOE> OK.
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: ill see what happens on next kernel releases
[07:45] <EoflaOE> OK
[08:43] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[08:46] <OerHeks> :-)
[08:48] <EoflaOE> Hello marcoagpinto
[08:49] <marcoagpinto> last Friday I bought three metal CDs!!!
[08:49] <marcoagpinto> https://i.imgur.com/VVYWQAg.jpg
[08:49] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:49] <OerHeks> A choco donut and a cherrybeer walk into a bar ..
[08:50] <EoflaOE> hello OerHeks
[08:50] <OerHeks> GET OUT, WE DO NOT  SERVE BREAKFAT!
[08:50] <OerHeks> hi EoflaOE
[08:50] <EoflaOE> How are you doing?
[08:51] <marcoagpinto> dear brothers, 19.10 is almost due
[08:51] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:51] <OerHeks> i am waiting for my breakfast
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:51] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: And it will get an official wallpaper soon
[08:51] <marcoagpinto> :)))))))))))
[08:54] <marcoagpinto> damn... yesterdat at 6:30am I improved my Proofing Tool GUI webpages a little... but I haven't uploaded because it was work day and I need to reread them again
[08:54] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:54] <marcoagpinto> I will do it today
[08:54] <EoflaOE> Nice. I just made a new version of KS yesterday
[08:54] <marcoagpinto> it is risky to do project stuff in week days
[08:54] <marcoagpinto> work days*
[08:55] <marcoagpinto> i am always stressed
[08:59] <marcoagpinto> guys?! I have no cola :((((((((((
[08:59] <marcoagpinto> I will buy some soon
[08:59] <marcoagpinto> yesterday night dad was in an hurry so I didn't have time to buy it at work
[09:00] <marcoagpinto> I only had time to buy a moldure and print a photo in Kodak
[09:00] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: OK.
[09:02] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[09:02] <marcoagpinto> will 20.04 bring 512-bit filesystem?
[09:02] <marcoagpinto> :)
[09:04] <EoflaOE> I have no idea if 20.04 will support 512-bit filesystem.
[09:05] <Ben64> 19.10 doesn't even exist yet, 20.04 stuff definitely isn't set
[09:06] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
[09:06] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[09:07] <marcoagpinto> I was wondering if in the next few years someone will implement a standard for 256-bit IPs
[09:07] <marcoagpinto> the idea is to use it after we spreed to other planets
[09:07] <marcoagpinto> :)
[09:07] <marcoagpinto> 2^256 gives tons of IPs
[09:07] <marcoagpinto> it will happen in the future and I hope to be in my lifetime
[09:08] <marcoagpinto> space is the place
[09:08] <marcoagpinto> spread*
[09:09] <marcoagpinto> soon we will have bases on the moon and colonise Mars
[09:09] <marcoagpinto> :)
[09:10] <Ben64> ipv6 is already more than we'll ever use
[09:11] <EoflaOE> But I still use ipv4 for some reason. Will ipv6 be enforced in the next years?
[09:12] <marcoagpinto> Ben64: I am thinking in the future when there will be space colonisation
[09:12] <marcoagpinto> which is also one of the reason why I refer to 512-bit file system
[09:12] <marcoagpinto> reasons*
[09:12] <marcoagpinto> sorry for the typos
[09:12] <Ben64> ok but still, ipv6 is more than we'd ever use
[09:12] <daftykins> that's utterly silly
[09:12] <Ben64> also, you can't have internet work that far
[09:13] <marcoagpinto> silly? :)
[09:13] <Ben64> it is
[09:13] <marcoagpinto> it is the future
[09:13] <Ben64> no
[09:13] <daftykins> no it's not
[09:13] <marcoagpinto> "we will do it not because it is easy, but because it is hard"
[09:14] <Ben64> it's not hard, just silly
[09:14] <daftykins> no they'll never connect other planets to the same earth-based internet
[09:14] <Ben64> until wormholes
[09:14] <daftykins> they would most definitely have to get routed and not all have their own IPs xD
[09:15] <daftykins> there have been some interesting takes on this in sci-fi games that include galaxy wide species communicating
[09:15] <Ben64> a lot of the stuff i see just says it goes faster than light, problem solved
[09:15] <daftykins> :D
[09:15] <marcoagpinto> 2^256=1,1579208923731619542357098500869e+77
[09:15] <marcoagpinto> :p
[09:16] <Ben64> 2^128=340282366920938463463374607431768211456
[09:16] <daftykins> ah in Mass Effect they have relay buoys that have to cache up and send things when congestion dips, then there becomes a rich and poor internet as your data will come through / be sent sooner if you pay more
[09:16] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhh
[09:16] <marcoagpinto> Ben64: it looks huge... I forgot to do a 2^128 :)
[09:17] <Ben64> each gram on earth would be able to have<PHONE_NUMBER>3 ipv6 addresses
[09:17] <Ben64> so... we'll never run out
[09:17] <marcoagpinto> good to know :)
[09:17] <marcoagpinto> thank you
[09:17] <marcoagpinto> :p
[09:18] <EoflaOE> But I still use ipv4 for some reason. Will ipv6 be enforced in the next years?
[09:18] <Ben64> hopefully
[09:18] <marcoagpinto> but a 512-bit OS is still viable since in the near future we will have 1 PT SSDs
[09:18] <Ben64> ipv4 needs to die
[09:18] <marcoagpinto> yes, ipv4 needs to die
[09:18] <marcoagpinto> my ISP still uses it
[09:18] <marcoagpinto> :(
[09:18] <marcoagpinto> it sucks
[09:18] <Ben64> marcoagpinto: still no on the 512b
[09:19] <daftykins> there is nothing wrong with v4
[09:19] <Ben64> plenty wrong with v4
[09:19] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: it only gives 4 millions addresses
[09:19] <marcoagpinto> 2^32
[09:19] <Ben64> billion
[09:19] <daftykins> i still seem to be online and breathing? :)
[09:20] <daftykins> i can think of much greater issues in this life
[09:20] <marcoagpinto> Ben64: let me calculate
[09:20] <daftykins> crying over addressing versions is simply daft
[09:20] <Ben64> says DAFTykins
[09:20] <marcoagpinto> 4 294 967 296
[09:20] <marcoagpinto> :)
[09:20] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh... right
[09:20] <marcoagpinto> I have been wrong all these years
[09:20] <marcoagpinto> :)
[09:21] <daftykins> Ben64: so you noticed that huh :)
[09:21] <Ben64> there's just not enough to go around
[09:21] <Ben64> that's why NAT exists
[09:21] <Ben64> and in the beginning they gave huge blocks to companies and it just needs to go
[09:21] <daftykins> it's ok we just need to put our masks on and go and raid some from Africa
[09:50]  * lordievader doesn't want to retrieve a web page from a server on another planet, the latency alone would bore me to death
[09:50] <OerHeks> space internet uses huge relays
[09:53] <marcoagpinto> back from the store!
[09:53] <marcoagpinto> lordievader: 5G :)
[09:54] <marcoagpinto> then it will come 6G, 7G, etc.
[09:54] <marcoagpinto> Internet will become faster and faster
[09:54] <lordievader> That will not solve the latency problem.
[09:54] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhhh :((((
[09:55] <marcoagpinto> I have no answer for that yet
[09:55] <marcoagpinto> :)
[09:55] <marcoagpinto> goverments will come up with a solution
[09:55] <lordievader> No. The distance is simply too large.
[09:56] <lordievader> Even with a fiber link between planets the latency will be huge.
[09:56] <marcoagpinto> :(((((
[09:58] <lordievader> Have you seen the film Passengers?
[09:59] <lordievader> Basically spaceship from earth to a far away planet. Halfway on that journey they send a message back to earth. Estimated time for a reply... a year. Sure, it is a film, but the principle still applies.
[10:13] <marcoagpinto> the name rings a bell but I haven't seen that film
[11:17] <OerHeks> cluelessperson likes to rant about his dual touchscreen setup, not recognising touch events when desktop is span over 2 displays
[11:17] <OerHeks> LoLz
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> always the same nicks ranting
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> im getting like dozen-dejavu's
[11:30] <EoflaOE> hi lordievader
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:04] <EoflaOE> Hello BluesKaj
[12:04] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj!!!!


[04:37] <dax> ubottu: tell Poke95 about away
[09:47] <mcphail> Hi. Can someone kick _600360_ from #ubuntu please?
[09:52] <Tm_T> moin
[12:43] <bazhang> PICIO
[12:44] <Myrtti> Visconte Picio of Turin
[12:45] <Pici> :P
[12:45] <bazhang> hehe
[16:11] <tim241> hi guys
[16:19] <ikonia> hello tim241
[16:19] <tim241> finally someone is nice enough to react to a simple hi
[16:20] <tim241> thanks ikonia
[16:20] <ikonia> no problem, whats up ?
[16:20] <tim241> how are you doing?
[16:20] <ikonia> I'm fine
[16:20] <ikonia> what's up ?
[16:21] <tim241> good
[16:21] <ikonia> how can #ubuntu-ops help you today
[16:22] <tim241> not actually I was just curious of someone was chattin in this chat xD
[16:22] <tim241> chatting*
[16:22] <ikonia> so this channel is really for issues/questions that need the operators help
[16:22] <ikonia> eg: someone got banned from the channel
[16:22] <tim241> ok thx
[16:22] <ikonia> it's not actually a chat channel
[16:22] <ikonia> and not one we let people idle in
[16:23] <tim241> I have one question why do you huys allow normal users to use commands?
[16:23] <tim241> guys*
[16:23] <ikonia> commands ?
[16:23] <tim241> like !paste
[16:23] <tim241> in the #ubuntu
[16:23] <ikonia> it's just a bot
[16:23] <ikonia> it allows people to give other people proven information
[16:24] <tim241> ow ok thanks ikonia
[16:24] <ikonia> no problem
[16:25] <ikonia> if you don't need anything else from the team, we ask that you please /part the channel, but if you have an issue/question about #ubuntu in future, you're welcome back here to ask
[16:26] <tim241> what does /part #ubuntu-ops do?
[16:26] <ikonia> it makes your client leave this channel
[16:26] <tim241> I can just type /quit or /leave
[16:26] <ikonia> that works too
[16:27] <ikonia> welcome back
[19:17] <Pici> sigh
[19:17] <ikonia> tedious
[19:22] <genii> Didn't seem like something to warrant an !ops call
[19:22] <Pici> genii: they've been asking the same thing all day
[21:26] <dax> and have been a problem in the past, i note
[23:20] <bazhang> @random debain ubuntu HURD
[23:20] <bazhang> what!
[23:50] <chu> Ouch :(


[21:25] <pavlushka> manzar1: ok, you can talk to me here, no worries :)
[21:26] <pavlushka> manzar1: So do you have any issue?
[21:26] <manzar1> No
[21:27] <manzar1> If there would be any issue, I will sure contact you people
[21:48] <pavlushka> sure
[21:59] <pavlushka> manzar1: so good luck on your start
[21:59] <manzar1> Thank you