[16:16] <bankix> robbit10: Doesn't sound good. Did previous Ubuntu CDs (9.10, 9.04, whatever) boot up without problems?
[16:16] <alvin> Actually, grub should be installed and you should be able to get into the menu now. Otherwise, a message about no boot disk will appear
[16:16] <robbit10> bankix: Yes. The machine i'm running it on is a Mac Mini
[16:17] <cjs> alvin: What do you mean by, "get into the menu?" From a cold BIOS boot, I get no messages at all.
[16:17] <alvin> So, I would continue rebooting and pressing shift
[16:17] <alvin> (Left shift?)
[16:17] <bankix> robbit10: Uh, that's a bit special...
[16:18] <bankix> robbit10: Sorry, but I fear there is nothing you can do. Except booting 9.10, install it and upgrade to 10.04 afterwards.
[16:18] <cjs> alvin: I tried that.
[16:18] <alvin> Yes, but did you try enough? It doesn't work for me every time
[16:18] <alvin> Of course, we should be smarter....
[16:19] <alvin> Now that you are in rescue mode, why not set a timer in grub?
[16:19] <cjs> Hm. Ok, I guess I can do that some more.
[16:19] <alvin> /etc/default/grub if I'm not mistaken, and then update-grub?
[16:19] <cjs> alvin: Good thought. Or set anything that would make it print out something.
[16:19] <bankix> robbit10: If you're an experienced Linux user, you could create an USB stick, install an arbitary sysconfig configuration and try this.
[16:19] <alvin> set debug=on is possible from a grub shell
[16:19] <cjs> Incidently, I just did a hexdump -C /dev/sda, and I see grub-like stuff in there. So the second stage does appear to be there.
[16:20] <cjs> Actually, let me just strings the thing....
[16:21] <robbit10> bankix: But how would I create an USB stick if the Live CD doesn't even boot? Also, doesn't the wear-and-tear on the USB stick cause it to wear out very fast?
[16:21] <cjs> Yup. stuff like "loading", "Geom", "Read", " Error," "(md0)/grub"....
[16:21] <An_Ony_Moose> is there a way to make the computer throttle the CPU automatically on boot? Since the upgrade, it uses a lot of CPU power on boot making it overheat (I have problems with my CPU fan)
[16:21] <cjs> And same for /dev/sdb1. (I confirmed with parted, by the way, that these are the BIOS boot partitions.)
[16:21] <bankix> robbit10: It would wear the USB stick the same way as a CD :-) It's read only. And you can use unetbootin or Ubuntu 9.x to create the USB stick.
[16:22] <bankix> robbit10: unetbootin is available for windows as well.
[16:22] <robbit10> bankix: I'm running Mac OS X. Do you know an application like unetbootin for OS X?
[16:22] <cjs> alvin: Ok, so I guess I change GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET from true to false? Hidden-timeout is 0, though, and timeout is 10, so you'd really think it would be printing something....
[16:23] <alvin> cjs: Why not retry and create one big LVM volume that spans the whole disk and not have a /boot partition? I know it sounds weird, but in theory it should work. (maybe keep the grub adjustments at the beginning of the disk)
[16:23] <alvin> cjs: Yes, don't hide the timeout
[16:23] <bankix> robbit10: Sorry, never tried. Maybe you have access to a windows pc. Or boot 9.10 and use the usb-creator from there.
[16:23] <alvin> Why would anyone want to do that anyway?
[16:23] <robotti^> robbit10: where do you need unetbootin?
[16:24] <cjs> alvin: I'm getting tempted to do that, but....
[16:24] <robbit10> bankix: Ah, yes, i do have access to a Windows PC. Dumb me! :P
[16:24] <z0rt|work> if i installed ubuntu by auto-resizing a win7 partition on the same HDD and it only boots into win7, how would i boot into my ubuntu install in order to update-grub?
[16:24] <alvin> Yes, it sounds counter-intuitive, but it's more 'modern'
[16:24] <robbit10> bankix: A quick question though, will my drive still have space for storing files?
[16:24] <bankix> robbit10: Sure.
[16:24] <robbit10> bankix: Accesible from within Windows?
[16:24] <cjs> I'll disable the graphical terminal while I'm at it.
[16:25] <bankix> robbit: Indeed.
[16:25] <hector> has anyone have trouble in 10.04 RC with sound using an HDA ATI SB ALC1200 soundcard?
[16:25] <robotti^> I do not think macintosh computers does boot from usb stick?
[16:25] <robbit10> bankix: Okay, i'll get to work then. Thanks for the information :)
[16:25] <bankix> robotti^: Dunno. I've got an Mac Mini, but never tried.
[16:25] <ratcheer> robbit10: On my system, I had much better success installing Lucid from the Alternate CD than the Live CD. Just an idea.
[16:25] <rmrfslash> where should I set default lookup domains?
[16:26] <robbit10> ratcheer: Was that on a Mac Mini?
[16:26] <ratcheer> robbit10: Sorry, no.
[16:26] <hector> rmrfslash: /etc/resolv.conf
[16:26] <rmrfslash> right, but that's automatically overwritten by networkmanager
[16:26] <robbit10> ratcheer: I'll stick with the LiveCD as that shows me whether it all works right or not on my mac :)
[16:26] <rmrfslash> so I need a persistent location
[16:27] <robotti^> bankix: I have only installed from CD.
[16:27] <ratcheer> robbit10: I understand.
[16:27] <robbit10> Is 4GB enough for an Ubuntu install + about 30 extra applications?
[16:27] <bankix> robotti^: Same here, and only MacOS X.
[16:27] <bankix> robbit10: Depends.
[16:28] <ratcheer> robbit10: 4GB would be a pretty tight fit.
[16:28] <bankix> robbit10: 4 GB for the desktop CD will last, for the DVD it's not enough.
[16:28] <hector> rmrfslash: since they keep getting overwritten, you're using dhcp to get your networking info. You need to supersede it in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[16:28] <cjs> Oh, doh! The CD has a "boot from first hard disk" option! Well, that works, albeit with a very quick error message about a file "480" not being found at the start.
[16:29] <ratcheer> Got to go - Bye
[16:32] <robbit10> bankix: what about 8GB?
[16:32] <bankix> robbit10: 8 GB are enough
[16:32] <alvin> 480? Sounds like a resolution? (640x480)
[16:33] <cjs> Ok, so I've got it configured to print its usual stuff and beep on startup.
[16:33] <cjs> However, booting from the hard disk, I still have the same issue.
[16:33] <nemo> Hah. Did someone update the juggling screensaver in 10.04? 'cause I don't remember the old one teaching me how to juggle knives
[16:33] <nemo> (which is neat btw)
[16:34] <cjs> I wonder if the first stage is broken somehow. Maybe I should zero out my boot sector and see if the BIOS is properly giving me a "no OS" thing?
[16:34] <alvin> cjs: Is it still rebuilding? Might be bug 259145
[16:35] <cjs> alvin: The /boot RAID is clean. And no, I never even appear to get into grub at all, much less get enough of a kernel going to see about whether an md is degraded or not.
[16:35] <cjs> gosh, it's almost like the drives are "too big for the BIOS" or something. (2TB drives.)
[16:36] <alvin> (We really, really need more boot logging.) When you have your system booted from CD, can you adjust grub to disable the timer and update-grub /dev/sda /dev/sdb?
[16:36] <alvin> cjs: Did the machine boot previously? (before Lucid?)
[16:36]  * alvin goes home and will read the rest later today.
[16:36] <cjs> alvin: One just doesn't have a lot of room for logging code in 512 bytes. :-/
[16:37] <cjs> Yes, it does boot, but with a different set of drives. These ones are new and have never seen an install.
[16:37] <cjs> alvin: Any suggestions on forums or mailing lists where I should post this?
[16:39] <Volkodav> it's almost release and I still do not have a gnome sound applet
[16:40] <doobry> Volkodav, you mean gnome-volume-manager-applet ?
[16:40] <Volkodav> just vanished sometime in alpha 2-3
[16:41] <Volkodav> doobry: yes
[16:41] <doobry> is still there for me, just had to tell it to start
[16:41] <cjs> alvin: Oh, the "480" was probably from the grub init tune thing.
[16:42] <doobry> Volkodav, something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/423443/ will make it autostart for all users, or you could just add it in preferences -> startup applications
[16:42] <Volkodav> lemme try
[16:43] <z3r0-c001> How many days till offical realease
[16:43] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[16:44] <bbordwell> z3r0-c001, 2
[16:44] <doobry> z3r0-c001, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown
[16:44] <z3r0-c001> Thnx
[16:45] <z3r0-c001> I dint want rc anymore I want full
[16:45] <cwillu_at_work> z3r0-c001, the rc isn't different than full
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> the alphas/betas/rc's/release are all from the same tree
[16:46] <z3r0-c001> Yes it is full has last minute and final bug fixes
[16:46] <Pici> !final;
[16:46] <Pici> !final
[16:47] <z3r0-c001> I got rc 5 days ago I'm pretty sure when I uupdate my volume buttons will work lol
[16:48] <z3r0-c001> That's a big diffrencw to me
[16:49] <hector> Hey all, has anyone had trouble getting sound to work with a HDA ATI ALC1200 sound card on 10.04?
[16:50] <z3r0-c001> I have trouble getting my volum buttons to work
[16:51] <z3r0-c001> How do I adjust my home button settings anyone
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> z3r0-c001: adjust them in what way?
[16:53] <BluesKaj> z3r0-c001, click on the speaker icon then mixer , you'll see the ctrls available there
[16:54] <z3r0-c001> I mean my fn+volum button
[17:22] <mininessie> hey what are your views on wikipedia
[17:25] <m0RrE> wikipedia, as in wikipedia.org?
[17:25] <charlie-tca> !ot
[17:26] <hever> Hello is a 10.04 netbook remix image available or is the "Netbook live CD" image the same?
[17:27] <Ken8521> hever, i've not used ti, but i would think if netbook is in the title of the ISO, it's the nbr version
[17:28] <chaoslynx> hi, i am trying to locate empheq.sty or the mh package in the texlive distribution, it is supposed to be in texlive-math-extra but apparently isn't
[17:28] <hever> A friend wants has a new Netbook, and as 10.04 is finished I thought I could give her 10.04. Perhaps we install just 9.10 and upgrade then...
[17:29] <irv> hever: wait two days and you can do a clean install of 10.04
[17:29] <irv> when it is released.
[17:30] <hever> It's new and she wan't it now.
[17:30] <chaoslynx> it is there in hardy: http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/hardy/all/texlive-math-extra/filelist
[17:31] <chaoslynx> but not in lucid http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/lucid/all/texlive-math-extra/filelist
[17:31] <atrus> chaoslynx: apt-file suggests it's in texlive-latex3
[17:31] <chaoslynx> atrus: thx, i really should know apt better
[17:32] <atrus> chaoslynx: apt-file isn't a normal part of apt, but it's handy when you need it.
[17:32] <jmfthevci> hever: I use a Samsung NC10 netbook. I use the full Lucid Lynx desktop version. There are various tweaks that help improve available screen estate.
[17:33] <cjs> Hm. Perhaps someone here knows what went wrong with my 10.04 server install that used to boot ok.
[17:33] <cjs>  It boots, but all I see on the screen is "fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2" (twice), /dev/mapper/iambic-iambic-root: clean ...", "/dev/md0: clean, ..." (the md0 is/boot). And then it just sits there. None of the other VTs have anything on them, and none respond to key presses. Ctrl-alt-del does print some rc shutdown messages and reboot the system, however. What's up?
[17:33] <cjs> And in particular, does anybody have any advice for fixing this, besides a re-install?
[17:33] <chaoslynx> atrus: ah ok, i normally use arch, but installed ubuntu on this machine for convenience
[17:33] <hever> jmfthevci, You installed 9.10 and upgraded, right?
[17:33] <doobry> is http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/ubuntu-10.04-rc-netbook-i386.iso not the netbook rc? (altho you should download from a mirror)
[17:33] <atrus> cjs: possible a bad entry in /etc/fstab. for me, it was a usbfs.
[17:33] <jmfthevci> hever: I personally don't like the NBR version as it appears restrictive and less flexible.
[17:34] <atrus> cjs: i *think* that's supposed to be fixed, so it at least gives you a useful message about what went wrong.
[17:34] <cjs> atrus: Bingo!
[17:34] <atrus> i should try putting the usbfs back in, and see what happens.
[17:34] <cjs> Oh, hang on....
[17:35] <cjs> No, I was just looking at the wrong fstab.
[17:35] <jmfthevci> hever: I have been running Ubuntu on my NC10 since Intrepid. (Intrepid, Jaunty, Karmic now Lucid). Last was an upgrade from Karmic to Lucid. no issues. There is a really good ppa for the netbook (voria.org)
[17:36] <atrus> cjs: look for anything that might be wrong there anyways.
[17:36] <bnv> hello
[17:37] <atrus> cjs: my workaround to get to a bootable system was to change the grub line to include "init=/bin/bash", and see if i could get things going from there. you'd especially want to try and get updated mountall and plymouth packages installed, if you can get networking up.
[17:37] <hever> jmfthevci, kewl !
[17:37] <cjs> cjs: Looks good, and I can confirm that it, and all of /etc in fact, are the same as when it did boot, since I'm using etckeeper.
[17:37] <cjs> atrus: I'm using a rescue CD at the moment, actually, so I've got all that stuff.
[17:38] <hector> hey guys
[17:38] <cjs> So hey, yes, an aptitude full-upgrade sounds like a reasonable idea.
[17:38] <amereservant> 10.04 runs and looks great!  The Nvidia driver seems to be just fine as well.
[17:39] <bnv> I have a pinnacle pctv card, but I didn't get sound with it.
[17:39] <atrus> cjs: oh... you could try hitting keys when it's locked up.
[17:39] <bnv> It's a pctv 310i
[17:39] <atrus> cjs: i think it's waiting for you to press 's' to 'skip' the missing filesystem, if it's a similar problem to what i saw...
[17:39] <cjs> I did. I note that I can switch terminals (ctrl-alt-fN) and ctrl-alt-del does cleanly shut down the system.
[17:39] <cjs> Ah, I'll try that.
[17:39] <jmfthevci> hever: Look also for LinuxOnMySamsung.
[17:39] <cjs> Though there were no more filesystems to clean, other than the two it already said were clean.
[17:40] <amereservant> It also recognized my fake raid first try as to where I had some issues and had to re-install 9.10 a couple of times before I finally got it working.
[17:41] <bnv> so, whwhat is to be done?
[17:41] <atrus> cjs: try a 'mount -a' if you get to a console perhaps?
[17:41] <bnv> *what
[17:43] <amereservant> Oh wow, I can even select the "extra" option under appearance without it failing.  Very nice!
[17:43] <cjs> atrus: Updating the packages appears to have fixed the problem.
[17:44] <cjs> I wonder what triggered it, though, such that it worked before and then stopped working without any apparent changes, at least under /etc.
[17:44] <jyraia> hello how can i make youtube cache using Squid 2.7 on Ubuntu 10.04
[17:45] <hector> Anyone having sound issues on the latest 10.04 build? Specifically with a HDA ATI SB ALC1200 soundcard?
[17:46] <ringer> yay - just upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04
[17:46] <jyraia> !youtube cache
[17:50] <atrus> well crap, now MY system's not booting.
[17:54] <mininessie> hey what are your views on wikipedia
[17:55] <gnomefreak> mininessie: please use #ubuntu-offtopic for non-support topics
[17:58] <jsidhu_> hey guys. i keep getting a segfault in my apache logs. my simple php scripts are working, even simple query to mysql. But i just installed a php gallery which is causing apache to segfault. I tried enableing a coredump by defining a CoreDumpDirectory but its not working.. how can i go about troubleshooting this
[17:59] <cheche> jsidhu_: maybe you better speak with someone on #gallery
[18:00] <jsidhu_> cheche: it worked fine on my ubuntu 8.04, thought it might have aomething to do with the latest release
[18:02] <patdk-wk> jsidhu, are you using apache worker or prefork?
[18:02] <patdk-wk> cause most likely some php module isn't thread safe, and that is why it's crashing
[18:03] <jsidhu_> hmm.. its a fresh install.. so whatever ubuntu sets it up as... prefork probably
[18:03] <om26er> I am trying lubuntu live session and it seems that it can play my media files without installing any codecs. Is it legal
[18:03] <atrus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/507881 is recurring for me, breaking boot. suggestions?
[18:03] <nemo> om26er: mp3s?
[18:03] <atrus> should i take it up with #ubuntu-bugs, to see if the bug needs to be reopened?
[18:03] <charlie-tca> om26er, you should ask #lubuntu ?
[18:04] <om26er> charlie-tca, oh there is a channel for it
[18:04] <om26er> nemo, and yes
[18:04] <melter> i'm installing the rc and i have a question about the password strength. what is the best rating? is it "good"? or is there something like "excellent"?
[18:05] <charlie-tca> melter, never got it higher than 'fair' here
[18:05]  * patdk-wk wonders if there is an, annoyingly overcomplex, setting :)
[18:05] <melter> i wish there was a little question mark icon that explained what the possible values were
[18:10] <kblin> hi folks
[18:11] <kblin> the lucid rc fails to install the grub boot loader
[18:11] <kblin> the grub installer complains about a missing mapping for my logical volumes
[18:13] <kblin> any clues on how to proceed here?
[18:14] <robbit10> Is the Release Candidate LiveCD usable for installing the Release version of Ubuntu once it is out?
[18:15] <atrus> robbit10: if it installs successfully, you can upgrade to the release version after the fact easilly.
[18:16] <Odd-rationale> kblin: is this the first time? or always happens?
[18:16] <topyli> robbit10, the updates to the RC will eventually make it identical to the final release
[18:16] <atrus> kblin: try: sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/whatever
[18:17] <robbit10> atrus, topyli: Great, thanks :)
[18:26] <om26er> any one with dell 1564 just tried lucid did not boot blank screen aarg!
[18:27] <patdk-wk> dell what 1564?
[18:27] <patdk-wk> I could try a crapload of dells here
[18:27] <mgoetze> 1564? dell powerconnect switch? (just guessing)
[18:27] <amereservant> Anyone here running 10.04?
[18:27] <mgoetze> amereservant: of course not, it's not released yet
[18:27] <om26er> amereservant, this channel is for 10.04
[18:28] <amereservant> Ohhh.
[18:28] <Vigo> 3 days?
[18:28] <Zelozelos> i cant believe what i just did, i was intending on purging blender and all its settings, incl python, and what i ended up doing after deleting blender was sudo-apt purge python, geez, now i really messed up my sys
[18:28] <om26er> mgoetze, its a notebook
[18:28] <Zelozelos> what do i do now?
[18:28] <gnomefreak> install python would be a great place to start
[18:29] <ringer> Zelozelos, restore from your backups?
[18:29] <Ken8521> yup
[18:29] <patdk-wk> om26er, figured that, but what type? latitude? inspiron? vostro? ....
[18:29] <amereservant> Can someone check this:  Go to System > Administration > Login Screen and try clicking "Unlock".  It doesn't work for me and may be a bug.
[18:29] <mgoetze> om26er: you do realise that dell has dozens of notebook lines such as latitude, precision, vostro, ...
[18:29] <kblin> Odd-rationale: I can repeat the problem
[18:29] <gnomefreak> amereservant: works here as of yesterday
[18:29] <pcrov> amereservant: works fine here
[18:29] <patdk-wk> amereservant, works for me :)
[18:29] <amereservant> 64-bit?
[18:29] <gnomefreak> no
[18:29] <Zelozelos> no backups, ;( i guess ill just wait for the release in a few days then reinstall the entire os
[18:29] <pcrov> yes
[18:29] <om26er> that would be dell inspiron 1564
[18:29] <gnomefreak> shouuldnt batter
[18:29] <amereservant> Hmmm.
[18:29] <kblin> atrus: no dice
[18:29] <gnomefreak> Zelozelos: just install what was removed
[18:29] <Vigo> Zelozelos: Recovery from boot?
[18:30] <patdk-wk> x64 here
[18:30] <Odd-rationale> kblin: what does your parttioning scheme look like?
[18:30] <amereservant> strange.  Mine just stay's greyed out.
[18:30]  * gnomefreak confused at why you dont just install python
[18:30] <Vigo> or that
[18:30] <Zelozelos> it uninstalled a HUGE list of stuff, it'll take me forever to reinstall everything
[18:30] <amereservant> Unlock doesn't do anything for me.
[18:30] <gnomefreak> reverse what you did :)
[18:31] <gnomefreak> amereservant: are you a suyperusert or just a user?
[18:31] <atrus> kblin: what's the specific error you're getting?
[18:31] <Zelozelos> plus when i restarted it only gave me a root prompt, i have no idea how to do anything w/o sudo apt-get
[18:31] <gnomefreak> damn thats bad. superuser
[18:31] <kblin> Odd-rationale: /dev/sda1 -> /boot (ext2), /dev/sda2 -> /data (ext4), /dev/sda5 -> crypto partition -> LVM -> vg_system -> lv_root
[18:31] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Errr, let me look.  I should be.
[18:31] <gnomefreak> Zelozelos: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[18:31] <Vigo> On boot there is an Esc>(thing) that allows one to use a Recovery Mode
[18:32] <gnomefreak> amereservant: you dont know if you have the sudo password?
[18:32] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Oh, yes, I do.
[18:32] <ringer> Zelozelos, you can install again today - there won't be much difference between now and Thursday
[18:32] <kblin> atrus: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for 'vg_system-lv_root'
[18:32] <gnomefreak> amereservant: are you fully up to date?
[18:32] <Zelozelos> really, cool ill get that going then thank you
[18:32] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Yeap.
[18:32] <kblin> autodetection of a filesystem module failed
[18:33] <gnomefreak> amereservant: not sure why but file a bug (more than likely it is a local issue)
[18:33] <kblin> please specify the module with the option '--modules' explicitly
[18:33] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Alright, yeah, everything else from what I can tell seems to work fine.  Synaptic Package Manager, etc. all work just fine.
[18:34] <An_Ony_Moose> hmm... Whenever I shutdown or reboot, it asks me to type my password because others are still logged in. This is never the case. Is it possible that it's detecting www-data or other service accounts being logged on?
[18:34] <gnomefreak> amereservant: there is a command i used before i just dont recall it. try to reinstall the package
[18:35] <Vigo> gnomefreak: Like a dpkg fix ?
[18:35] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: once shutdown it should no longer count users that were logged in
[18:35] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Do you know what the name of it is?  The process comes up as gdmsetup in the Processes list.
[18:35] <gnomefreak> Vigo: hold that thought i have to re read your issue :(
[18:35] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, it asks me to enter the password when I select shut down from the menu because other accounts are still logged in
[18:35] <An_Ony_Moose> is it possible that this is because I created www-data as a normal user account?
[18:36] <gnomefreak> Vigo: im sorry can you please restate your issue?
[18:36] <gnomefreak> amereservant: gdmsetup is the command :)
[18:37] <gnomefreak> go into a package manager and search for login and you should find it there
[18:37] <Odd-rationale> do you have lv_root set as to mount as the / partition?
[18:37] <Vigo> gnomefreak: I was merely attempting to jog your memory on a system call,,
[18:37] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: you only have one person logged in when you try to shutdown?
[18:37] <Odd-rationale> kblin: ^
[18:37] <ringer> amereservant, have you checked your 'privileges'? System > Admin > Users & Groups
[18:37] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Ohhhh, and there's the error.
[18:38] <Zelozelos> ok so what i want is the ubuntu-10.04-rc-desktop-amd64.iso for my laptop right?
[18:38] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, yes
[18:38]  * gnomefreak good but not that good to see the problem from here :(
[18:38] <gnomefreak> Vigo: not sure
[18:38] <An_Ony_Moose> except that it might be detecting www-data as a logged-in user because it runs the apache daemon and is configured as a normal user account
[18:38] <Flamekebab> Is it just me or has the U1 music store vanished from RhythmBox?
[18:39] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: that is possible but i would say its a small chance. try stopping the process than restart/shutdown
[18:39] <amereservant> Here's what I got from trying to launch it from the CLI: http://pastebin.com/9Vwjb0U3
[18:39] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, stopping which process?
[18:39] <gnomefreak> Flamekebab: i havent looked in a week but it was there ;)
[18:39] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: apache
[18:39] <Flamekebab> I see Jamendo, Magnatune, and no U1
[18:40] <An_Ony_Moose> ok
[18:40] <ringer> Zelozelos, Alt-F2 and type update-manager --devel-release     to update from the net
[18:40] <gnomefreak> just need -d
[18:40] <ringer> Zelozelos, make sure you do an update first
[18:40] <Zelozelos> ringer, im not on ubuntu im in windows
[18:41] <Zelozelos> and ubuntu isnt starting at all
[18:41] <amereservant> Definitely a bug?
[18:41] <trism> Flamekebab: make sure the plugin it enabled in Edit/Plugins
[18:41] <ringer> Zelozelos, ok - that's different ;)
[18:41] <gnomefreak> amereservant: that looks like a problem that i had in early devel cycle maybe month #2 but update fixed it. i suggest filing a bug and sooner the better
[18:41] <Flamekebab> trism, good call
[18:41] <Flamekebab> I wonder why it was disabled though
[18:41] <Vigo> Screenshot and email to self.
[18:41] <gnomefreak> amereservant: can you please try loggin on as a guest
[18:42] <gnomefreak> amereservant: than see if it works
[18:42] <ringer> Zelozelos, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004overview
[18:42] <amereservant> gnomefreak: As a guest?
[18:42] <trism> Flamekebab: may have encountered an error starting, so rhythmbox disabled it
[18:42] <ringer> Zelozelos, that page points you to the iso's
[18:42] <gnomefreak> amereservant: yes go to the logout drop down and you should see guest account
[18:42] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, O.o shutdown works via login screen, no prompt (didn't try stopping apache) - bug?
[18:42] <Flamekebab> trism, cheers
[18:42] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Alright, brb.
[18:42] <Zelozelos> ringer, got it, thank you ;)
[18:43] <gnomefreak> Zelozelos: boot into safe-mode (recovery mode) and get a terminal and type apt-get update than apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[18:43] <gnomefreak> IIRC recovery mode is as a superuser
[18:43] <gnomefreak> if not use sudo
[18:44] <ringer> gnomefreak, Zelozelos is on windoze
[18:44] <Ken8521> gnomefreak, yeah, it is.
[18:44] <gnomefreak> reboot ;)
[18:44] <gnomefreak> or boot ubu8ntu box
[18:44] <gnomefreak> -8
[18:44] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, stopped apache, still prompts if attempting to shut down.
[18:44] <Zelozelos> ringer, gnomefreak, i think i got it, thanks for the help, i just thought maybe there was an easy way to undo what i did
[18:44] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: than its not that :)
[18:44] <Ken8521> Zelozelos, there should be.... do what gnome said.
[18:45] <An_Ony_Moose> now I just want to know if it's a bug that there's no prompt when shutting down from the login screen :P
[18:45] <gnomefreak> there is see the commands i gave you it will install all gnome packages that are default in ubuntu and python will be one or 10 of them
[18:45] <Ken8521> gnomefreak, situations like this... is why i don't like how grub is hidden by default, if Ubuntu is the only OS.
[18:45] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: yes but is it a local bug or a wide spread bug im not sure
[18:46] <An_Ony_Moose> ok
[18:46] <Zelozelos> sudo isnt working, apt-get isnt working, all i get is a root terminal (i guess its stoping after some error and gives me a command line ending with #)
[18:46] <gnomefreak> my grub shows everytime no i dont recall what i changed
[18:46] <Ken8521> Zelozelos, are you booting safe mode?
[18:46] <Zelozelos> is ok, ill just reinstall, i wont be loosing anything b/c i frequently saving everything on the windows partition anyhow
[18:46] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Same thing in the guest session.
[18:46] <gnomefreak> Zelozelos: apt/dpkg shouyld work in recovery mode
[18:46] <Ken8521> Zelozelos, ok... if thats what you want to do, thats fine
[18:47] <An_Ony_Moose> also - I installed ubuntu twice on my computer, on separate hard drives. How do I get rid of the second installation (resize another partition on the same disk, thereby destroying the second ubuntu one) and make grub get it right?
[18:47]  * gnomefreak thinks thinking thinking oh yeah you. than file a bug report
[18:47] <gnomefreak> chillindave: ^^
[18:47] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Alright, I'll go lookup how to do that.
[18:47] <gnomefreak> gparted maybe
[18:47] <gnomefreak> chillindave: ubuntu-bug gdmsetup
[18:48] <gnomefreak> chillindave: than follow propts/answer questions
[18:48] <gnomefreak> that will upload info for people to help with the problem
[18:48]  * gnomefreak goes for smoke
[18:48] <chillindave> Package gdmsetup does not exist
[18:49] <kblin> Odd-rationale: yes
[18:49] <brainproxy> if I mount a folder over sftp in the gui, is that available to me anywhere in a termina, i.e. is there a folder somewhere I could ln -s to something else easy to remember
[18:52] <chillindave> brainproxy: I'm not sure it creates a mount point or not, was wondering that myself the other day.  If you figure it out, let me know.
[18:52] <brainproxy> sure thing .. i guess i'll just setup sshfs for now
[18:52] <gnomefreak> chillindave: try running the command without sudo. do you get same output or is it different
[18:53] <gnomefreak> chillindave: ok give me a moment i will find right package
[18:53] <trism> brainproxy: it mounts it in ~/.gvfs
[18:54] <chillindave> gnomefreak: It "looks" the same at a brief glance-over.
[18:54] <gnomefreak> chillindave: ok giv eme a minute i will have correct package
[18:55] <chillindave> Ok, thank you.
[18:55] <gnomefreak> who was the logout session?
[18:56] <chillindave> gnomefreak: What's that?
[18:56] <gnomefreak> chillindave: im not seeing the package for some reason, im trying to recall and use search but i will use a different parameter :)
[18:57] <An_Ony_Moose> also - I installed ubuntu twice on my computer, on separate hard drives. How do I get rid of the second installation (resize another partition on the same disk, thereby destroying the second ubuntu one) and make grub get it right?
[18:57] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: try notifyme if that helps
[18:57] <An_Ony_Moose> notifyme?
[18:57] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Yeah, it's not coming up as a package.
[18:57]  * An_Ony_Moose installs
[18:57] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Oh, I bet it's part of the "login" package.
[18:57] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: its a package run apt-cache show notifyme  it will show you about the package
[18:58] <andresmh> I had reported this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/496266 in Karmic. I just tested Lucid and I still have the same problem. What is the best way of reporting this in the hopes of getting more attention to it?
[18:58] <gnomefreak> chillindave: it is but there is a name for it and i dont recall off hand so i am looking
[18:58] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, I saw, thanks :)
[18:58] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: update the bug by running apport-collect 496266   and just add you see it on Lucid as well
[18:59] <Hans_Henrik> RC1 got only DVD release?
[18:59] <An_Ony_Moose> Hans_Henrik, no...
[18:59] <An_Ony_Moose> Hans_Henrik, there's also a CD one
[18:59] <Hans_Henrik> ah, where can i find it? :p
[19:00] <Hans_Henrik> d
[19:00] <Hans_Henrik> fd
[19:00] <Hans_Henrik> xncgn
[19:00] <gnomefreak> chillindave: ok i feel like crap. file it under gdm  unless i find it someone else
[19:00] <Hans_Henrik> cfgx
[19:00] <Hans_Henrik> nxdt
[19:00] <Hans_Henrik> yc
[19:00] <Hans_Henrik> fy
[19:00] <Hans_Henrik> c
[19:00] <gnomefreak> Hans_Henrik: please stop
[19:00] <Hans_Henrik> ycfy
[19:00] <Hans_Henrik> cf
[19:00] <Hans_Henrik> fvykf
[19:00] <Hans_Henrik> sorry, was my stupid rl friend
[19:00] <andresmh> thanks gnomefreak, unfort, login in to launchpad is broken
[19:01] <gnomefreak> it is?
[19:01] <Hans_Henrik> ah, where can i get the cd version? i cant find it
[19:01] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, I see it too
[19:01] <andresmh>  Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad Login Service.
[19:01] <An_Ony_Moose> :(
[19:01] <gnomefreak> shipit or download
[19:01] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: what are you trying to do?
[19:01] <Hans_Henrik> i can't find out where to download it from
[19:02] <gnomefreak> chillindave: gdm is best bet and they will change it as needed if needed
[19:02] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, the apport command you gave me
[19:02] <andresmh> very disappointed about finding the same regressions I had with Karmic also in Lucid :(
[19:02] <gnomefreak> Hans_Henrik: 10.04 or another version?
[19:02] <Hans_Henrik> 10.04
[19:02] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Alright, I'll do that then.
[19:02] <gnomefreak> !daily | Hans_Henrik
[19:02] <gnomefreak> andresmh: webcam bug?
[19:03] <gnomefreak> andresmh: hold on a sec
[19:03] <andresmh> gnomefreak, yes, webcam but but also (and more importantly) sound input bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/409819
[19:03] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: the command didnt give anything?
[19:04] <luis_> function keys fix for Lenovo u350
[19:04] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, I can't log in to launchpad
[19:04] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: oh well that is a whole other issue just update the bugs as to failing on Lucid as well
[19:04] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, I CAN'T. I can't log on to launchpad.
[19:04] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: you run that command in terminal, but what error are you getting
[19:04] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: dont have an account?
[19:05] <An_Ony_Moose> yes I do
[19:05]  * gnomefreak head to LP
[19:05] <An_Ony_Moose> but as someone said earlier LP login is broken right now
[19:05] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: saw that hold on a sec
[19:05] <andresmh> An_Ony_Moose, it's back!!
[19:05] <gnomefreak> i logged in fine here
[19:05]  * gnomefreak heads to find out what happened
[19:06] <An_Ony_Moose> yay
[19:07] <An_Ony_Moose> yep, it works
[19:07] <gnomefreak> ok its up here someone had gotten an apache error but it was not the same problem by the looks of it
[19:07] <luis_> the function keys fix from 9.10 work on 10.04
[19:07] <luis_> ?
[19:07]  * gnomefreak logged in 2 hours ago and was meant to do something but now i cant remember :(
[19:08] <dima> hi. installed today ubuntu rc and playing music and with opened googl chrome computer crashed. what info i shuld gather to post bugreport?
[19:08] <gnomefreak> luis_: depends on what you are trying but yes the F# still get me into TTY
[19:08] <gnomefreak> ctrl+alt+F#
[19:08] <yofel> luis_: depends on your exact hardware, was there a bug reported about them not working in 9.10? (think usually don't just fix themselves)
[19:08] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, apparently I need to be a subscriber to the bug?
[19:08] <luis_> yes
[19:08] <gnomefreak> oh god thanks you for showing up yofel
[19:08] <yofel> gnomefreak: hi, just got back home :)
[19:09] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: are you no tthe one that reported the bug?
[19:09] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: give me a bug # but apport command should not stop you
[19:09] <An_Ony_Moose> no, I'm not the one that reported the bug
[19:09] <luis_> "sudo nano etc/default/grub"  is what i type in term'
[19:09] <An_Ony_Moose> you gave ME the bug number
[19:09] <An_Ony_Moose> 496266
[19:10] <dima> computer crashed with ubuntu 10.04 RC. what info to gather to post bugreport?
[19:10] <gnomefreak> bug 496266
[19:10] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, oops
[19:10] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: thats not it is it
[19:10] <gnomefreak> that was meant for andresmh
[19:10] <gnomefreak> that bug at least
[19:10] <plasmab> anyone know how to bully the installer into using a device without partitioning? the installer seems to fail to find any partitions but they are there (lucid alternate)
[19:10] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, I think you said my name when mentioning the bug number
[19:10] <dima> also strange thing- i wasnt able to install XFS filesystem.
[19:10] <An_Ony_Moose> yup, you said it to me
[19:11] <An_Ony_Moose> misunderstanding :)
[19:11] <yofel> luis_: what are you trying to do? that's the bootloader configuration file
[19:11] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: most likely sorry about that. please file a bug on your issue, best to use ubuntu-bug packagename
[19:11] <An_Ony_Moose> ok
[19:11] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: auto complete error
[19:11] <An_Ony_Moose> but what is the package where the bug is? >.>
[19:11] <gnomefreak> log out problem?
[19:11] <yofel> plasmab: RC or daily build?
[19:11] <luis_> im tryin to get my funtion key to work to adjust my brightness
[19:11] <luis_> my machine is a Lenovo u350
[19:11] <plasmab> daily... today
[19:12] <yofel> hm
[19:12] <plasmab> i could fdisk -l for you if that helps?
[19:12] <Kangarooo> computer crashed with ubuntu 10.04 RC. what info to gather to post bugreport? also strange thing- i wasnt able to install XFS filesystem.
[19:12] <luis_> that fix worked for 9.10
[19:12] <gnomefreak> yofel: if you get a minute can you give An_Ony_Moose a package name to go along with his bug. phone just rang. An_Ony_Moose please restate your issue for us. i will returtn in a few
[19:13] <Hans_Henrik> is ntfsclone in the repos of 10.04?
[19:13] <gnomefreak> yofel: i meant please ;)
[19:13] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo, crash during install?
[19:13] <yofel> sure, what was your issue again An_Ony_Moose?
[19:13] <plasmab> yofel, fdisk reports that GPT partitions arent supported and i should use gparted
[19:14] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo, if it is during install, please try today's image. It might be fixed already
[19:14] <BluesKaj> Kangarooo, XFS file system ?
[19:14] <An_Ony_Moose> yofel, When shutting down from login, it asks me for a password claiming that another user is already logged in; This is not the case. Additionally, it does *not* ask for a password when shutting down from the login screen.
[19:15] <chillindave_> wow, found another big issue.
[19:15] <yofel> Kangarooo: use a daily build, installing on XFS was broken in the RC
[19:16] <chillindave_> I can't launch Firefox after having logged out and back in.
[19:16] <chillindave_> The system monitor either.....
[19:16] <daftykins> is XFS pretty solid? i've got a 12TB RAID6 server to commision soon, planning lucid server for it. but some have said XFS may be good for large files over EXT4?
[19:17] <gnomefreak> chillindave_: please log out and back in again or reboot
[19:17] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca, no in install i couldnt install xfs so i choose EXT4. and when installed then with music playing and chrome opened some strange visual effects take over the screen.
[19:17] <gnomefreak> ok next person to ask me about lightning+tb3 i working on it damnit
[19:17] <An_Ony_Moose> also, how can I disable blocking of the ctrl-alt-bksp key sequence?
[19:17] <yofel> An_Ony_Moose: actually I'm not sure there, can you ask again in #ubuntu-bugs ? The other bugsquad members might know more
[19:17] <chillindave_> gnomefreak: I did log out and back in.... I'll try rebooting next, but that's not suppose to do that is it?
[19:18] <yofel> An_Ony_Moose: that's deprecated, use alt+sysrq+k instead
[19:18] <Kangarooo> BluesKaj, yes XFS filesystem wasnt able to install- showed some error. and took me to step to choose login info.
[19:18] <gnomefreak> chillindave_: no it is not but we mihgt have found the issue :)
[19:18] <An_Ony_Moose> okay yofel, thanks
[19:18] <An_Ony_Moose> oh, ok
[19:18] <An_Ony_Moose> AAAND another question :P
[19:18] <An_Ony_Moose> I'm trying to use gparted to resize a partition to the maximum size.
[19:18] <chillindave_> gnomefreak: Oh, the one causing this glitch?
[19:18] <An_Ony_Moose> After it is only unallocated space
[19:18] <An_Ony_Moose> but the resize/move option is greyed out
[19:19] <chillindave_> gnomefreak: Cause pidof firefox doesn't return anything.
[19:19] <An_Ony_Moose> WAIT, nevermind. It was mounted xD
[19:19] <Kangarooo> yofel, i already installed. ill just then use ext4 for a while. if its not possible to change filesystem with livecd to installed system then ill leave ext4. thats ok. looks like ubuntu is now little faster
[19:19] <gnomefreak> chillindave_: it can. i dont reccall if we use pinary still for admin dialogs but i would need to know since it is not giving you one
[19:19] <daftykins> An_Ony_Moose: there's the package 'dontzap' for re-enabling X.org restart via ctrl+alt+backspace
[19:19] <gnomefreak> chillindave_: not sure why you are seeing that but reboot and let me know
[19:20] <daftykins> although as mentioned, deprecated so does bad things :D
[19:20] <An_Ony_Moose> problem with alt-sysrq-k is...
[19:20] <An_Ony_Moose> I have an apple keyboard :(
[19:20]  * gnomefreak uses and i know its the old way but /etc/init.d/gdm start/stop/restart or whatever one i want to use
[19:20] <Kangarooo> so should i use apport or manually take log files to bug report about visual artifacts taking over screen
[19:20] <An_Ony_Moose> ah yes, that's an option too
[19:20] <gnomefreak> apport if you can
[19:21] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-bug == apport :)
[19:21] <Kangarooo> gnomefreak, ok then to witch programm? all screen was taken over by visual artifacts
[19:21] <Kangarooo> but only ubuntu new design collor artifacts
[19:21] <gnomefreak> Kangarooo: xorg or the drivers you are using either way it will get attention of who it needs to
[19:21] <chillindave> Woah, what tha hell?!?!?!?
[19:22]  * gnomefreak thinks before asking
[19:22] <gnomefreak> chillindave: what the hell what?
[19:22] <chillindave> I'm apparently running multiple sessions as the same user.
[19:22] <gnomefreak> chillindave: that is why firefox bug
[19:22] <BluesKaj> Kangarooo, are you installing server edition , and XFS for large file use ?
[19:22] <gnomefreak> s/bug/problem
[19:22] <chillindave> Look at the user list.  I'm still logged in as amereservant too.
[19:23] <chillindave> It wouldn't let me shutdown.
[19:23] <chillindave> So apparently it's not checking to see if I'm already logged into gnome.
[19:23] <gnomefreak> chillindave: meet An_Ony_Moose you both are seeing same issue at least for now ;)
[19:23] <chillindave> Haha.
[19:24] <Kangarooo> BluesKaj, no desktop edition 10.04 rc. yesterday dowloaded. xfs for boot then swap then / xfs and then /home xfs and i got error
[19:24] <chillindave> Well let me see if I can end this session and get back to the other one.
[19:24] <gnomefreak> yofel: do you know what file extension flash uses fopr videos?
[19:24] <amereservant> Wow, there we go.
[19:24] <yofel> gnomefreak: not sure, I used some video downloader for youtube once and got .flv files
[19:24] <amereservant> LOL, that's crazy.
[19:24] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: there is a command to see who is logged in but its way too far back in bash histroy i dont remember it
[19:25] <BluesKaj> Kangarooo, why XFS ?  whynot next4 ?
[19:25] <gnomefreak> yofel: thanks i just need a close enough guess and that did it
[19:25] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, who :P
[19:25] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: you
[19:25] <gnomefreak> :)
[19:25] <An_Ony_Moose> har har.
[19:25] <yofel> no 'who' ;)
[19:25] <BluesKaj> err ext4 Kangarooo
[19:26] <kblin> is there any way to get a list of modules that grub2 supports?
[19:26] <gnomefreak> yofel: there is a downloader?
[19:26] <kblin> the man page doesn't mention any
[19:26] <Kangarooo> BluesKaj, 2 days ago i found that xfs is faster mounting and faster finding files. but from old statistics.
[19:26] <yofel> gnomefreak: I use the 'DownloadHelper' Firefox extension
[19:26] <gnomefreak> yofel: thanks i know it :)
[19:28] <BluesKaj> Kangarooo, i undserstand the XFS has a hard time with smaller files , it designed for large files like video etc
[19:28] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[19:30] <Blue11> !opera
[19:31] <markit> hi, upgraded Kubuntu 9.10 to 10.04, but I've no more the taskbar, desktop widget, etc., just the KDE background "sky / stars" screen, any tip?
[19:32] <Kangarooo> ok i posted bug report about xorg artifacs
[19:34] <Kangarooo> where do i post bug about googlechrome not showing accept/decline for file download in downpanel? in launchpad theres no package
[19:35] <Pici> Kangarooo: Where did you get the package?
[19:35] <Kangarooo> Pici, from google chrome website
[19:35] <rohan> Kangarooo: you can't report a google chrome bug in ubuntu launchpad
[19:35] <Pici> Kangarooo: Then report the bug to google.
[19:35] <costre> Is it just me, or does the "Back"-button in the ubuntu file manager do the same as the "up"-button? It doesnt seem to go back to the previous folder, it just goes up a step in the directory tree
[19:35] <rohan> you can report it on www.crbug.com
[19:35] <rohan> but, have you confirmed that it is actually a bug, Kangarooo ?
[19:35] <BluesKaj> use chromium , Kangarooo ...it runs better on linux
[19:36] <rohan> chrome _never_ shows accept/decline before downloading, unless downloading exe/rpm/deb
[19:36] <rohan> BluesKaj: crap.. says who?
[19:36] <Kangarooo> BluesKaj, can i also install extensions and themes? is it the same?
[19:36] <rohan> Kangarooo: it's not the same
[19:36] <BluesKaj> rohan, in my experience it does...says me
[19:37] <Kangarooo> ok
[19:37] <amereservant> Oh, woops.  Didn't realize I was in that channel.
[19:37] <gnomefreak> amereservant: much better :)
[19:37] <amereservant> Yeah, I thought I was in this channel.
[19:37] <gnomefreak> amereservant: ok open a terminal and type in the following command
[19:37] <gnomefreak> amereservant: apport-collect 442795
[19:37] <rohan> BluesKaj: could you give specific examples?
[19:38] <BluesKaj> Kangarooo, dunno about extensions and themes , I don't do the eye candy thing much
[19:38] <Belegar> can we report bugs without create an account?
[19:38] <Kangarooo> Belegar, in launchpad no
[19:38] <gnomefreak> amereservant: that will ask you to upload the files say yes IIRC it opens the bug in browser but if not open it and in a comment let them know it happens to you too
[19:38] <Belegar> agrl, ok thanks
[19:38] <gnomefreak> Belegar: nope
[19:38] <dagny_taggart> Hello.  I currently run Karmic and flash sucks no matter how I try to fix it.  Can anyone give me any feedback on flash in Lucid?
[19:38] <rohan> Kangarooo: have a look -- http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome
[19:39] <gnomefreak> dagny_taggart: its not Ubuntu its flash Linux support sucks
[19:39] <gnomefreak> from adobe
[19:39] <BluesKaj> rohan , it's been a while since i used google chrome , but it began to fail on several wenbsites and the bookmarks werent working in some cases
[19:39] <amereservant> gnomefreak: It gave me this: You are not the reporter or subscriber of this problem report, or the report is a duplicate or already closed.
[19:39] <amereservant> Please create a new report using "apport-bug".
[19:39] <dagny_taggart> gnomefreak: I never had a problem with Gutsy
[19:39] <gnomefreak> amereservant: file a bug using the following command. what package is i first
[19:40] <rohan> BluesKaj: that issue is not something specific to chrome, it will reproduce on chromium too
[19:40] <kevix> I upgrade to lucid and I can not boot into my root filesystem. its there, but can not boot into it. seems to hang after checking root.
[19:40] <BluesKaj> rohan, no such problems with chromium
[19:40] <amereservant> gnomefreak: I was using gdm as you said to do.
[19:40] <gnomefreak> amereservant: type in a terminal the following
[19:40] <gnomefreak> amereservant: ubuntu-bug gdm
[19:40] <rohan> BluesKaj: that might just be because your chromium build will be a newer one in which the problem was resolved
[19:40] <gnomefreak> and do as it suggests/prompts/asks you for
[19:40] <jrib> I tried using usb-creator on a jaunty install to create a usb startup disk with the lucid alternate amd64 iso.  However, on my macbook when I select the usb in refit, it shows the diamond logo (like it had for the usb at the selection screen) for a few seconds then just boots my normal install of ubuntu.  I'm downloading the desktop iso now to try that.  How else can I troubleshoot this?
[19:41]  * gnomefreak tries to finish a download. i will be helpful when i get done
[19:41]  * gnomefreak sees more help arrive
[19:41] <BluesKaj> rohan, i beg to differ , the websites in question worked perfectly well with chromium after freezing and crashing in google chrome
[19:41] <bryanr> hey
[19:42] <bryanr> 2 days until 10.04 is official. would it hurt if i upgraded now?
[19:42] <rohan> BluesKaj: did you check that both were on the same revision or not?
[19:42] <bryanr> or should i wait
[19:42] <rohan> bryanr: no, it wouldn't
[19:42] <bryanr> ok man i trust ya
[19:42] <rohan> go ahead and upgrade, you will avoid the traffic which plagues the mirror on release day
[19:42] <bryanr> what is the uh
[19:42] <alvin> cjs: How does the RAID work out?
[19:42] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Ok, I've entered the summary and now it's asking me if any others are the same thing....
[19:42] <bryanr> command again for upgrading
[19:43] <jrib> bryanr: if you don't mind your system exploding you can upgrade, otherwise wait for official release
[19:43] <|rt|> after upgrading I no longer have the volume control in the panel...any ideas on what to look for to resolve that?
[19:43] <rohan> BluesKaj: there is no reason why chromium should 'work better' *on linux* -- chromium is no "closer" to linux than google-chrome is
[19:43] <rohan> |rt|: many people have been having it iirc.. have a look on launchpad
[19:43] <gnomefreak> amereservant: just give info like what you do to get the problem what you expect what happens and any other info that you think might be helpful but for now just worry about your bug
[19:43] <|rt|> rohan k thanks
[19:43] <BluesKaj> rohan, who's mgoinf to bother with revision checks when the browser's nort working ..ppl just switch to something that works
[19:44] <trism> |rt|: do you have the indicator applet in the panel? that's where the volume control is now
[19:44] <bryanr> ok brb
[19:44] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Well it won't let me past the summary part.  I've got a "Check again" button and a list of like bugs including the one I showed you listed below.
[19:45] <|rt|> trism: no that's what's missing...I can go to applications->sound and video->volume control to get the full panel
[19:45] <|rt|> trism: but the applet is missing currently
[19:45] <rohan> BluesKaj: very well.. just give chrome a try, though, and you should not face the same problems
[19:45] <gnomefreak> amereservant:  at the bottom you dont see a button saying something like file my own bug report?
[19:45] <amereservant> Ohhhh.  Missed that one.
[19:46] <gnomefreak> eh dont feel bad i do it alot but normally things that make things break
[19:46] <|rt|> found an easy solution to the problem on the forums
[19:46] <BluesKaj> rohan, I already did, chromium works fine ...if google-chrome is working better now then that's good , but I'm sticking with what i know is working.
[19:47] <|rt|> looks like you just need to readd it to the startup list
[19:47]  * gnomefreak needs to change phone # and not give it to anyone
[19:47] <gnomefreak> ill be back
[19:48] <kevix> anyone have lucid boot problems?
[19:48] <cjs> alvin: Oh, talking to Intel tech. support was a joy!
[19:49] <BluesKaj> kevix, yeah i have trouble staying lucid after too many hrs in here :)
[19:49] <cjs> alvin: So basically, it seems to be an issue with the BIOS on my Intel desktop motherboard. If I boot Intel's Grub CD (which they use for BIOS upgrades), it will then boot the hard drive just fine. Just the BIOS alone won't boot.
[19:49] <BluesKaj> kevix, just tell us your problem , if someone knows how to help he/she will
[19:49] <cjs> Other than that, everything's fine.
[19:50] <kevix> anyone have ubuntu 10.04 boot problems
[19:50] <rohan> kevix: problems of what type?
[19:50] <BluesKaj> kevix, describe it pls
[19:51] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: not even me?!?
[19:51] <BUGabundo> I would never call you :)
[19:51] <kevix> after I upgrade with the 'do----upgrade -d'  to lucid, it would not boot to desktop. something about plygrim and then 'unsupported mode' on my LCD display
[19:51] <alvin> cjs: So, Intel gave you a fix?
[19:51] <alvin> I didn't knew they had grub cd's for BIOS upgrades
[19:52] <cjs> alvin: Ha!
[19:52] <jrib> kevix: try disabling "plygrim"?
[19:52] <twig11> How do I set the Ambiance theme to show an icon instead of a dot for the menu button in the window title bar?
[19:52] <rohan> lol, kevix , do you mean plymouth?
[19:53] <kevix> rohan: yeah. plymouth. like the famous rock :)
[19:53] <cjs> alvin: Basically, they gave me lots of runarounds, including asking me to test with a "supported" OS (i.e., Windows), and then finally admitted that they don't support drives larger than 2TB. Mine are 2.0003 TB.
[19:53] <BluesKaj> or the city in england
[19:53] <twig11> I know how to change the positioning of the buttons with gconf-editor, but I want the menu button to display the icon of the app the window belongs to instead of just a plain dot. Where is the setting for that?
[19:53] <kevix> BluesKaj: either way, its not my favorite place to visit
[19:53] <cjs> Well, in a way they did give me a workaround: I'm just leaving their BIOS upgrade CD in the drive, and it times out to boot the HDD after 15 seconds if nobody touches a key.
[19:54] <gnomefreak> it worked :) and BUGabundo nope not even you
[19:54] <alvin> cjs: Waah. So, there's no fix for you yet?
[19:54] <BUGabundo> :(
[19:54] <gnomefreak> it worked because it was already installed
[19:54] <cjs> alvin: But I think that the biosgrub partition was definitely wanted. It's certainly being used.
[19:54] <alvin> You can buy a cheap sata card. That'll work.
[19:54] <jrib> I tried using usb-creator on a jaunty install to create a usb startup disk with the lucid alternate amd64 iso.  However, on my macbook when I select the usb in refit, it shows the diamond logo (like it had for the usb at the selection screen) for a few seconds then just boots my normal install of ubuntu.  I'm downloading the desktop iso now to try that.  How else can I troubleshoot this?
[19:54] <Kangarooo> again computer crashed while installing skype (and it didnt finish). and now i cant install skype couse it says only one can be opened close aptitude or synaptic (it says like that in my language i translated)
[19:54] <cjs> A cheap SATA card will fix the issue? Really?
[19:55] <cjs> Could be worth a try.
[19:55] <kevix> well I will be back in about 15 mins if I still did not find a solution
[19:55] <yofel> !aptlock | kevix
[19:55] <rohan> jrib: usb-creator does not work with alternate disks
[19:55] <yofel> Kangarooo: ^
[19:55] <yofel> sry kevix
[19:55] <Kangarooo> also when crashed (all screen with ubuntu new branding colors) i couldnt not get in to other tty pressin ctrl+alt+f1(till f6)
[19:55] <alvin> workaround is more like it, but yes. I have a motherboard that can't read large drives either. I just attached those drives to a sata raid card and all was well.
[19:55] <cjs> Though that then puts my disks on the PCI bus, which is probably not that great a thing. My RAID currently rebuilds at 110 MB/sec.
[19:55] <rohan> jrib: usb-creator is meant only for "desktop" discs.
[19:55] <jrib> rohan: ah, thank you
[19:56] <kevix> apt is fine. I just chrooted in to my root and used aptitide
[19:56] <alvin> cjs: That is correct. I used PCI-X, but the board had a slot for that.
[19:56] <yofel> kevix: that message was for Kangarooo, tab completed the wrong person, sry
[19:56] <kevix> yofel: ok
[19:57] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: have you used the extension mutirowbookmarkstoolbar?
[19:57] <Kangarooo> yofel, ok
[19:57] <kevix> so my issue with 10.04 seems to be related to the initrd or some boot process hanging
[19:57] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: no
[19:57] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: thanks
[19:58] <gnomefreak> >500 bookmarks and it doesnt do anything for me
[19:58] <Kangarooo> yes yofel that solved thx :)
[19:59] <cjs> alvin: Ah, I wonder if mine does.
[20:00] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Ok, so once I finish that, do I need to run that other command?
[20:00] <twig11> How do I make the menu button in the window title bar display an icon for the app instead of a dot, as is the default for Ambiance. I want my icons back!
[20:00] <gnomefreak> amereservant: give me bug # please
[20:00] <amereservant> gnomefreak: #570885
[20:01] <gnomefreak> amereservant: thanks
[20:01] <alvin> cjs: PCI-X is a bit larger than a normal PCI slot. I don't know about the performance of PCI, but it's less than that of your motherboard in most cases. Pity there isn't a BIOS upgrade
[20:01] <gnomefreak> bug 570885
[20:01] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Sure thing.
[20:01] <shan3> Hi all. Any idea why a simple upstart job like this: http://pastebin.com/Q6mkJzzw doesn't work?
[20:01] <amereservant> gnomefreak: That's the one I just filed.
[20:02] <gnomefreak> amereservant: i know the bot gave it in link form for me :)
[20:02] <gnomefreak> amereservant: use bug thenumber  and the bot gives you the info on it
[20:03] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Oh very nice!  So is that it?
[20:03] <cjs> alvin: Oh, I do have a PCI-X slot: an x16 and an x1, actually.  No problem, then.
[20:03] <gnomefreak> amereservant: give me a minute i am thinking
[20:03]  * amereservant even included a screenshot of it. ;)
[20:03] <jbuncher> anyone having trouble printing dvi files in Lucid?
[20:04] <cjs> alvin: It's a pity, but it does give me another reason to dislike Intel.
[20:04] <gintonic> Anyone using Lucid + ATI + HDMI?
[20:04] <cjs> alvin: Anyway, the real fun comes tomorrow when I try to set up some KVM instances using encrypted partitions in the huge remainder of that LVM.
[20:05] <SandGorgon> hello peoples... use "nomodeset" for plymouth issues, make sure your floppy drives are disabled in your bios, and if upgrading ... make sure you do  “chmod ug+rwx,o+rwt /tmp” . You'll maybe live to tell the tale !"
[20:06] <cjs> So is there some easy way to change a machine from a server to a desktop and back again?
[20:06] <Szocool> Hi there! How can I make an usb pendrive install disk, as my current system is, all apps included?
[20:06] <alvin> cjs: I'll be here tomorrow. That reminded me I want to write a mail to the ubuntu-server list about performance of KVM. LVM snapshots can bring performance of virtual machines down A LOT. I don't know about encryption.
[20:07] <cjs> Szocool: Sorry, you want to install from a pen drive, or run from a pen drive with all your stuff installed?
[20:07] <Szocool> just install
[20:07] <cjs> alvin: Encryption makes virtually no difference, in my experience. It's very cheap on modern machines.
[20:07] <alvin> cjs: I wouldn't do that. You have ubuntu-desktop (and ubuntu-server), but little things are different, like the IO_SCHEDULER
[20:08] <twig11> How do I change the menu button on the window title bar to show an icon instead of a plain dot in the  Ambiance theme?
[20:08] <cjs> alvin: Oh, really? It's probably not a big deal, and I'd want to stay with the server kernel, I just thought it could be handy from time to time to have a desktop available. Still, I feel nervous about running my firewall as my desktop. :-)
[20:08] <trism> shan3: seems to work alright here, what did you name the script? it has to end in .conf or upstart won't run it
[20:09] <Era> Hi. I have ubuntu 10.4 installed in VirtualBox. When the login screen appears and I click to my username nothing happens. What's wrong? Thank you in advance.
[20:09] <alvin> cjs: You can run a virtual desktop if it's going to be a KVM server :-)
[20:09] <cjs> alvin: Anyway, in other areas, I've seen KVM suck pretty bad. I was very disappointed when I switched from NetBSD that I had to switch from Xen.
[20:09] <An_Ony_Moose> How do I get grub to "forget" a no-longer-existant partition? It
[20:09] <cjs> I could, but can I give my graphics card to a KVM?
[20:09] <An_Ony_Moose> 's no longer in fstab and update-grub doesn't help.
[20:10]  * gnomefreak might see the difference. amereservant can you please make a new user with all privledges and reboot than try it. I'm adding my 3cents to bug report atm
[20:10] <jsidhu_> hey guys, i've got a fresh install with latest updates, but the "mysqli" module for php is causing apache to SEG FAULT. is there a bug that i'm working against here?
[20:10] <alvin> I like KVM/libvirt, but it needs a bit more polish. It's production ready, but I'm still struggling with the concept of backups/snapshots
[20:10] <cjs> Particularly for disk IO, KVM's been bad. That's why I want to play with giving it a raw partition taken out of an LVM.
[20:10]  * gnomefreak adding my 2cents to bug report
[20:10] <gnomefreak> ok wtf
[20:10] <gnomefreak> oh thats why
[20:11] <cjs> But it is good in that you can have a remote, unattended server that can boot all by itself without passwords, yet your "real" server can require them, and you just log in to start it up.
[20:11] <Szocool> cjs, any idea how can I make such install disk?
[20:11] <alvin> cjs: Yes, that's the best option. I take backups of those by using qemu-img convert. virtio is also a must for performance.
[20:11] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Alright, I'll give that a go.  Do you know off the top of your head how to change the terminal background color?  Purple just won't do and I can't seem to find it.
[20:11] <gnomefreak> amereservant: did you get my comment about making a new users rebooting than trying again. dont add it to bug report yet just let me know what happens
[20:11] <cjs> Szocool: You need to answer my previous question, first. :-)
[20:11] <gnomefreak> amereservant: system>prefferneces>users  or admin menu but one of the 2
[20:11] <gintonic> Has anyone zsynced since RC?
[20:12] <Szocool> cjs I want just to install
[20:12] <cjs> alvin: Oh, I didn't know about virtio!
[20:12] <luis_> will the function key fix that was used in 9.10 work on 10.04
[20:13] <alvin> cjs: There are even Windows drivers, but you have to pay for Vista/7/2008 (if i'm informed correctly)
[20:13] <cjs> Szocool: Ah. There's a "USB Startup Disk Creator" that comes with Ubuntu, I believe, that will let you create that.
[20:14] <z0rt|work> the usb creator is under system-administration
[20:14] <Szocool> it only can make, from an iso or cd/dvd
[20:14] <cjs> In fact, I think it's sort of live/Install, really, but that's basically what the Ubuntu non-alternate desktop installer is, anyway.
[20:14] <z0rt|work> ^
[20:14] <amereservant> gnomefreak: System > Administration > Users and Groups doesn't work right either.  I can't add a user.
[20:15] <cjs> Szocool: Well, that's the point. You take the ISO of the install disk you want, and it converts it to USB. Doesn't it?
[20:15] <z0rt|work> i think Szocool wants to make a current image of his install and use that as his install image
[20:15] <Szocool> yes, but I want to backup my system
[20:15] <andresmh> gnomefreak: sorry, i went away to have lunch. I am not sure I understand what you said but the bottom line is that these two old regression bugs are still present in Lucid and I would like to give them more visibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/409819 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/496266
[20:15] <amereservant> gnomefreak: "Add" and "Advanced Settings" buttons do nothing.
[20:15] <gnomefreak> amereservant: ok there is a problem with the (pinery) i think is what is used
[20:15] <Szocool> z0rt|work, exactly
[20:15] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Same behavior as the other one.
[20:16] <gnomefreak> yoasif: do we use pinary by default?
[20:16] <gnomefreak> amereservant: yes im on it let me figure out what is happening with the superuser dialog
[20:17] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Alright.  ;)
[20:17] <cjs> Gah, I'm wiped. I think I've spent about nine hours on this install. Bedtime.
[20:17] <sebsebseb> Hi
[20:17] <gnomefreak> amereservant: anything work under system>admin?
[20:18] <jbuncher> is anyone having issues printing from okular in lucid?
[20:18] <cjs> alvin: I'll let you know if I find anything interesting tomorrow. But probably not, unless I get brave and do the KVM stuff; most of my hard work is now done.
[20:18] <z0rt|work> Szocool:
[20:18] <amereservant> Update Manager, Synaptic Package Manger both work fine.
[20:18] <Szocool> hm?
[20:18] <gintonic> Does lucid have free beer?
[20:18] <cjs> Though I'm a bit pissed I can't properly test booting.
[20:18] <_zed> Hi there.
[20:18] <z0rt|work> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=688872
[20:19] <amereservant> gnomefreak: ^^
[20:19] <_zed> I'm wondering, why netcat have no -c option in 10.04?
[20:19] <z0rt|work> that should help you m8
[20:19] <Szocool> thx z0rt|work
[20:19] <Szocool> bye all
[20:20] <gnomefreak> if you run sudo apt-get update let it run than try to open gdmsetup within a 1minute of update finishing
[20:20] <gnomefreak> amereservant: ^^
[20:20] <moversti> why my sd-disk wont automount anymore once I plug it in? (netbook remix9
[20:20] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Same thing.
[20:21] <gnomefreak> amereservant: thanks
[20:23] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Check your PM.
[20:24] <gnomefreak> amereservant: i did
[20:24] <gnomefreak> i answered
[20:25] <Kangarooo> hello again. i found that i order to have irc in empathy i need to install telepathy-idle. why its not by default installed? im disconnected from #ubuntu irc that way
[20:25] <gnomefreak> oh crap
[20:25] <gnomefreak> amereservant: i think i have it :)
[20:25] <Cornwall> Kangarooo: Yep, annoying, isn't it? :)
[20:25] <Kangarooo> ups sorry it is installed but still i dont have irc
[20:26] <Kangarooo> then maybe something else needs to be installed to have irc in empathy?
[20:26] <gnomefreak> amereservant: beforte you do that please do me a favor. reinstall gnome-keyring  sudo apt-get instal --reinstall gnome-keyring  i think that is the apt command
[20:26] <Era> Hi. I have ubuntu 10.4 installed in VirtualBox. When the login screen appears and I click to my username nothing happens. What's wrong? Thank you in advance.
[20:28] <duffydack> 1 ongoing problem still not fixed is my wireless (broadcom STA wl driver) sometimes fails to load and I get no wireless, tried modprobe wl but only rebooting fixes it.
[20:28] <irv> duffydack: i was just going to ask about that
[20:28] <irv> same thing happens to me, except i haven't seen it work yet
[20:29] <gnomefreak> amereservant: give me a few you do not need that list
[20:29] <gnomefreak> anyine else getting LP timeouts?
[20:29] <luis_> whats LP
[20:29] <irv> login prompt
[20:29] <Jeeves_> Launchpad :)
[20:29] <irv> linkin park
[20:30] <duffydack> irv, doesnt work at all for you ?  I was hoping this would be fixed by now..was a problem in karmic too
[20:30] <irv> it loads "successfully"
[20:30] <irv> and can see the networks, but WPA encryption just fails every time
[20:30] <irv> and sometimes it doesn't load
[20:31] <z0rt|work> i hate linkin park timeouts
[20:31] <irv> I installed alpha 3 i belive and it was working
[20:31] <irv> or it seemed to be
[20:31] <irv> and then RC today and no workie
[20:31] <gnomefreak> amereservant: you still here?
[20:31] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Ok, re-installed the keyring, no luck.  Quote:" give me a few you do not need that list" .... a few what?
[20:31] <irv> also, in addition to the encryption failing, the networks don't seem to show up
[20:31] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Yeah, still here.
[20:31]  * gnomefreak has a job for you to do in a few
[20:31] <Jeeves_> irv: Is there no usable windows driver?
[20:32] <amereservant> gnomefreak: found yet another bug.  can't add any other applications to the launch bar.  I added terminal earlier and now it can't be removed nor added to.
[20:32] <irv> *shrugs*, this driver was working in the last release i had on there for like a week or so
[20:32] <gnomefreak> amereservant: check if policykit is running in your session should be listed in ps aux |grep policykit (see bug for more details)
[20:32] <irv> (the STA driver)
[20:33] <irv> any troubleshooting i can try?
[20:33] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Yes, it is.
[20:33]  * gnomefreak smacks self for not thinking of that
[20:33] <duffydack> irv, well I get no wireless activity whatsoever, it says its disabled.. but its not.   have you tried removing the connection from network manager and removing the key from password+encryption keys app.
[20:33] <gnomefreak> amereservant: ok go to bug report and comment/answer
[20:35] <gnomefreak> amereservant: see Kamus' comment. ok i  will leave you 2 to it unless i think of something while smoking or working :)
[20:35] <duffydack> irv, ive actually got my wireless config setup in /etc/network/interfaces which bypasses NM bs, and is connected before desktop even shows..but I like to see it there with an applet like NM.
[20:35] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Ok, what do I need to do?
[20:36] <yofel> duffydack: network manager never touches /etc/network/interfaces, so if a device is configured there it will show as 'unmanaged' in the applet
[20:36] <duffydack> irv, maybe I can show you what ive got for you to try adding to your /etc interfaces
[20:36] <gnomefreak> amereservant: just answer his questions and run apport-collect bugnumber  since i added a task maybe it will get more info
[20:36] <isolat3dsh33p> hello, how do I restart alsa in 10.04?
[20:36] <duffydack> irv, yeah what I meant is, nm doesnt get used, but it doesnt even get loaded for me, its not there.. so I dont use the interfaces file as i like to see it on my desktop
[20:37] <yofel> isolat3dsh33p: disable pulse autorespawn, kill pulse, restart alsa, enable pulse autospawn again, start pulse
[20:37] <yofel> pulse == pulseaudio
[20:37] <yofel> isolat3dsh33p: and why do you want to restart alsa anyway?
[20:38] <isolat3dsh33p> i tried `killall pulseudio` didn't work.
[20:38] <yofel> isolat3dsh33p: yes, as pulseaudio will simple start again, you need to disable autospawn first in /etc/pulse/client.conf
[20:38] <isolat3dsh33p> yofel, because I plug in my headphone while booting. Now I unplug my headphone, but sound doesnt come out
[20:39] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Alright, I think I did that correctly.
[20:39] <yofel> isolat3dsh33p: that sounds like a bug then...
[20:40] <yofel> isolat3dsh33p: did you check the audio settings? (alsamixer, pavucontrol)
[20:40] <isolat3dsh33p> yofel, I'm used to the bug. In 9.10 i just simply `/etc/init.d/alsa-utils --restart` but now cant
[20:41] <yofel> isolat3dsh33p: did you report a bug about it back then? headphone works fine here
[20:41] <gnomefreak> amereservant: also please paste the command and the output from the ps aux command i gave you a bit ago
[20:41] <gnomefreak> amereservant: i will check back on it when im done with email
[20:42] <amereservant> I did, I pasted it in my comment to that bug.
[20:42] <amereservant> gnomefreak: ^^
[20:42] <gnomefreak> amereservant: thanks
[20:42] <isolat3dsh33p> yofel, nope. :(
[20:42] <gnomefreak> amereservant: you know what run ps aux pipe it to a file and attach the file
[20:43] <yofel> isolat3dsh33p: maybe ping crimsun here, he should know more than I do
[20:43]  * gnomefreak goes to look for command just incase
[20:43] <amereservant> gnomefreak: LOL, not sure how to pipe to a file....
[20:44] <gnomefreak> amereservant: looking for it atm
[20:44] <amereservant> gnomefreak: NM, I found it.
[20:44] <gnomefreak> i cant recall what order the $ and friends are
[20:44] <isolat3dsh33p> yofel, I'm not sure how to write a bug. I never wrote one. :/
[20:45] <amereservant> gnomefreak: I just typed ps aux |grep policykit > policykit.txt
[20:45] <yofel> isolat3dsh33p: run 'ubuntu-bug audio' and follow the steps
[20:45] <Era> Hi. I have ubuntu 10.4 installed in VirtualBox. When the login screen appears and I click to my username nothing happens. What's wrong? Thank you in advance.
[20:45] <gnomefreak> amereservant: i would like you to attach all of ps aux
[20:45] <ubuntu> i've tried to upgrade to lucid, but i've got an error while processing x11-common (--configure). can you help me, please?
[20:46] <gnomefreak> ypou can just use ps aux >filename.txt IIRC but the !$> works better (that is not the right order/chars)
[20:47] <isolat3dsh33p> yofel, never mind. I'll just go restart my laptop. :)
[20:47] <gnomefreak> its 2>1 | filename i think
[20:47] <isolat3dsh33p> yofel, thanks for your time ;)
[20:47] <gnomefreak> no that cant work
[20:47] <ubuntu> no one?
[20:47] <gnomefreak> oh damnit yofel can you please give him the command to pipe ps aux to a file
[20:47] <yofel> isolat3dsh33p: erm, can you still file a bug? things just don't get magically fixed by themselves
[20:47] <yofel> gnomefreak: sec
[20:48] <gnomefreak> yofel: thanks so much
[20:48] <gnomefreak> amereservant: see comment comming
[20:48] <amereservant> gnomefreak: I posted that outfile if that's what you need as an attachment to that bug.
[20:48] <gnomefreak> amereservant: the file that lists everything under ps aux
[20:48] <amereservant> Ohhhhh.
[20:49] <tsimpson> "ps aux > filename"
[20:49] <yofel> amereservant: ps aux > file should be enough, if you want to catch error output to use ps aux &> file
[20:49] <ChaosR> heya guys. My new lucid server has a bugged vnc4server, when I run Xvnc4 -screen 0 800x600x2 -br -ac -PasswordFile /home/chaosr/.vnc/passwd and connect it segfaults immediatly, anyone knows why?
[20:49] <gnomefreak> not the grep command. hell i dont care if you run it copy paste it into a file name the file and attach it
[20:52] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Alright, finally added.
[20:52] <ubuntu> i've tried to upgrade to lucid, but i've got an error while processing x11-common (--configure). Return error 2. can you help me, please?
[20:53] <nmobix> I have the problem that when I resume after suspend, the virtual terminals (CTRL+ALT+F[1...6]) are unreadable. How do I reset them to their original state. I have a HP dv5000, with an ATI X200M card?
[20:53] <gnomefreak> amereservant: thanks can i have bug # again please. if you type it like bug numberofbug the bot  will give it to me
[20:53] <amereservant> 570885
[20:53] <amereservant> bug 570885
[20:53] <yofel> ubuntu: can you please pastebin the full error? code 2 isn't enough
[20:53] <amereservant> err
[20:53] <amereservant> bug #570885
[20:54] <yofel> amereservant: no need for the #
[20:54] <amereservant> Oh, it was delayed.
[20:54] <||arifaX> can the battery symbol also show remaining time instead of percentage of battery (calculated)?
[20:55] <ChaosR> can anybody help me with my problem?
[20:55] <gnomefreak> thanks amereservant
[20:56] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Yeah, no problem.  I'll be glad to have contributed especially if it leads to a solution.
[20:56] <crdlb> ||arifaX: it will give you time remaining if you click on it
[20:56] <||arifaX> crdlb: it is only the percentage
[20:58] <gnomefreak> amereservant: you are running compiz?
[20:58] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Dunno, what is it?
[20:58] <crdlb> ||arifaX: how old is this installation? it may need some time to gather data
[20:58] <ubuntu> yofel: http://pastebin.com/C6aFbw0w
[20:58] <gnomefreak> amereservant: if you go to system>preferences>appearence>visual effects  what circle is checked
[20:58] <||arifaX> its 2 days old its kubuntu beta
[20:59] <yofel> ubuntu: can you pastebin the output of 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' ?
[20:59] <crdlb> ||arifaX: oh, kde
[20:59] <||arifaX> crdlb: yes
[20:59] <hdpb> after update to RC, GRUB lost Vista on my other partition.  how do I get it back?
[20:59] <gnomefreak> amereservant: stay there once you tell me i would like to try something that is unable to help but still better than not trying
[20:59] <gnomefreak> update grub by following the instrucions on the following wiki
[20:59] <crdlb> ||arifaX: I have no idea then; maybe there's an option? :)
[21:00] <gnomefreak> !grub2
[21:00] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Normal.
[21:00] <gnomefreak> amereservant: please check none and restart for me
[21:00] <||arifaX> crdlb: did not find one. well its not that big problem. thanks anyway
[21:00] <gnomefreak> could restart X but since im here lets go for it all :)
[21:00] <gnomefreak> amereservant: pm me when you get back please
[21:00] <amereservant> gnomefreak: Ok, full reboot?
[21:00] <amereservant> Alright.
[21:00] <gnomefreak> amereservant: yeah might as well
[21:01] <gnomefreak> it wouldnt be the first thing compiz has messed with
[21:01]  * gnomefreak be back. im trying to get things done at same time herer :)
[21:02] <ubuntu> yofel: the message say only that: the operation was blocked because there were too many errors
[21:03] <yofel> ubuntu: the last message yes, the full ouput of dpkg --configure -a should be quite long when that happens
[21:03] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Alright.
[21:03] <GSF1200S> does anyone know why my monitor shuts off when I kill gdm? I cannot use the console at all.. if X is not running, my monitor is off (Lucid)
[21:03] <GSF1200S> i have to ctrl alt delete to get it to reboot..
[21:03] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Oh hey, it works!
[21:04] <ubuntu> yofel: before the error, i've got a list of packages
[21:04] <ubuntu> yofel: do you need them?
[21:04] <yofel> ubuntu: can you run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a &> dpkglog.txt' and give me the contents of the file?
[21:05] <ubuntu> yofel: i try... i'm on another pc, now.. bwt just a moment
[21:06] <yofel> ubuntu: pastebinit would be the easiest way if you have it installed
[21:06] <shane2peru> xchat doesn't auto connect anymore?  I always have to type / server irc.ubuntu.com  to get it connected to a server?  anyone know how to fix this?
[21:06] <chillindave> shane2peru: It does for me.....
[21:06] <ubuntu> yofel: i don't have it...
[21:06] <shane2peru> chillindave, I think mine used to I don't remember, when it quit or what is going on.
[21:08] <chillindave> Go to "XChat > Network List" select the server and click "Edit", then select "Auto Connect on startup".
[21:08] <chillindave> shane2peru: ^^
[21:09] <gnomefreak> chillindave: see pm please
[21:09] <shane2peru> chillindave, thanks, that should fix it. :)
[21:10] <ubuntu> yofel: http://pastebin.com/xM4fYHjW
[21:11] <bryanr> so far so good
[21:11] <bryanr> i installed 10.04
[21:11] <bryanr> no problems
[21:11] <bryanr> except i got a message about a dev/ something not being mounted or found?
[21:11] <hdpb> gnomefreak: os-prober doesn't find Vista.  How can I add it manually
[21:12] <yofel> ubuntu: did you crash your system at some point? (see the workarounds on bug 512096 to fix it)
[21:12] <ubuntu> yofel: yes the system crashed while updating
[21:13] <yofel> ah, you have to recover it by hand then like described in the bug description
[21:13] <gnomefreak> Am4no: ok seb got to the bug report before i did. but i mentioned what happened so if you want to answer it (its a good idea)
[21:13] <ubuntu> yofel: ok, now i tr
[21:14] <gnomefreak> and it is FIXED :)
[21:14] <gnomefreak> well worked around but hey
[21:14] <gnomefreak> ok the grub2 bug
[21:15] <gnomefreak> hdpb: not sure but the grub2 wiki should have that info there for you
[21:15]  * gnomefreak dont remember if i gave it to you
[21:15] <GSF1200S> does anyone know why my monitor shuts off when I kill gdm? I cannot use the console at all.. if X is not running, my monitor is off (Lucid)
[21:17] <GSF1200S> using nvidia drivers (repo version), and it doesnt matter what vc I select when the screen goes out. If it helps, I just get a blinking cursor during bootime..
[21:17] <GSF1200S> trying to figure out what the issue is so I can file a bug report
[21:17] <GSF1200S> (running on 9.10 atm)
[21:17]  * gnomefreak has o issues with nvidia drivers (the 185 or whatever they are
[21:18] <gnomefreak> s/o/no
[21:18] <yofel> 195
[21:18] <gnomefreak> yeah those :)
[21:18] <GSF1200S> gnomefreak: you on lucid?
[21:18] <ubuntu> yofel: but i need to remove all *.post* ?
[21:18] <gnomefreak> GSF1200S: yes. please see #ubuntu for help with 9.10
[21:18] <markl_> GSF1200S: that is a tough one; i have had video cards with this symptom
[21:18] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Yeah, that fixed a large number of my issues.
[21:19] <markl_> GSF1200S: is ubuntu 9.10 the only os with this symptom?
[21:19] <GSF1200S> gnomefreak: Im on 9.10 writing this, but im having the issue with 10.04 (dual boot).. chroot'ed into the system now..
[21:19] <markl_> oops guess this is the wrong channel, sorry
[21:19] <gnomefreak> chillindave: well i would say and you are going to hate thisbut file a bug against compiz for each one :) but
[21:19] <gnomefreak> GSF1200S: oh sorry i9 misunderstood
[21:19] <GSF1200S> markl: its not 9.10 that has the issue- 9.10 works fine when I kill gdm. 10.04 is the OS with the issue
[21:19] <yofel> ubuntu: no, all files that begin with the broken package name, like x11-common.*
[21:20] <ubuntu> yofel: ah ok, thanks
[21:20] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Oh fun.  Hehe.
[21:20] <gnomefreak> GSF1200S: if you use ctrl+alt+F2 do you get anything:
[21:20] <gnomefreak> chillindave: it gives them a headache and lets them know there is a problem with compiz but by now you would think they would know
[21:20] <GSF1200S> gnomefreak: nope.. nothing.. I even tried sysrq keys and got nothing.. the only thing the kernel responds to is ctrl alt delete
[21:21] <chillindave> gnomefreak: That issue I mentioned and you said the other guy was having with multiple sessions was apparently associated with that too.
[21:21] <markl_> GSF1200S: can you shell into the machine from somewhere else and restart X?
[21:21] <gnomefreak> a kernel setting maybe psi or whever it is called
[21:21] <gnomefreak> nopci
[21:21] <GSF1200S> markl.. hmmm, yeah I could ssh in via my netbook
[21:21] <gnomefreak> chillindave: thanks. i dont recall if he filed a bug or not but he seems gone
[21:22] <GSF1200S> ill be back here shortly.. gonna try that now.. good idea thanks
[21:22] <gnomefreak> anyone recall An_Old_* name from a bit ago?
[21:23] <gnomefreak> found him
[21:23] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: you still here?
[21:23]  * gnomefreak found a workaround for you i hope :)
[21:24] <chillindave> Hehe.
[21:25] <gnomefreak> well if anyone sees him tell him to disable compiz not sure how long ill be here for now that its ~4:30
[21:26] <AnxiousNut> how can i install java6-plugin in lucid?
[21:27] <gnomefreak> synaptic
[21:27] <yofel> AnxiousNut: install icedtea6-pluginn (unless you need the sun one)
[21:27] <yofel> *icedtea6-plugin
[21:29] <AnxiousNut> yofel: i need the sun one, cause iced tea fails so run a certain java applet, which tells me that i dont have jave plugin, but it works for other sites! sun's worked on karmic, so i need th same
[21:29] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Haha, so you already switched it to compiz I see.  ;P
[21:29] <gnomefreak> chillindave: as fast as i could
[21:30] <yofel> AnxiousNut: enable the partner repos if it's disabled and it should be in synaptic then 'sun-java6-plugin'
[21:30] <sekuoir> hey everyone, some one leaked the Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, I am not joking! The have it in BTjunkie
[21:30] <chillindave> gnomefreak: I added a final note explaining all of the issues I found and how to fix it until compiz is corrected.
[21:30] <AnxiousNut> yofel: and how do i enable them?
[21:30] <sekuoir> This release is not Beta or RC
[21:31] <soreau> chillindave: Whats wrong with compiz?
[21:31] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Nice working with you and I'm glad we solved it.  I hope this helps several others and leads to it being corrected soon.
[21:31] <gnomefreak> np
[21:31] <soreau> gnomefreak: is there a bug report?
[21:32] <chillindave> !soreau bug 570885
[21:32] <AnxiousNut> yofel: okay got it, butt do i need to uninstall iced tea first?
[21:32] <yofel> AnxiousNut: go to software properties -> other software tab, and enable the archive.canonical... line there (and edit karmic to lucid if necessary)
[21:32] <sekuoir> hey Ubuntu freezes alot due to compiz, has anyone found a solution for this?
[21:32] <Zelozelos> ok, everything is almost back to where it was b4 i messed it all up, now, how do i make an install to where if i need to reinstall in the future it will start out exactly as i have everything now?
[21:32] <yofel> AnxiousNut: that's the easiest way to enable it
[21:32] <yofel> AnxiousNut: (removing icedtea)
[21:32] <soreau> sekuoir: Its not due to compiz, its due to your graphics driver
[21:32] <soreau> intel?
[21:33] <gnomefreak> ah thanks and yes there are a bunch of compiz bugs dependiong on what you are looking for
[21:33] <sekuoir> Soreau it is intel
[21:33] <sekuoir> i think it is intel GMA 949 or 950
[21:34] <soreau> sekuoir: Its a problem with the intel driver. Maybe try #intel-gfx
[21:34] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Did any of my reports give details on the graphics card/driver(s) being used?
[21:34] <AnxiousNut> yofel: thanks a lot, i mean it! you're a life saver! :)
[21:34] <yofel> AnxiousNut: we get that question a lot :P
[21:34] <sekuoir> Soreau I thought these drivers were open-source
[21:34] <gnomefreak> chillindave: no yours isnt a driver issue if it was disabling compiz wouldnt affect it as it did
[21:35] <AnxiousNut> yofel: I asked a lot and you're the first to give it to me :)
[21:35] <soreau> sekuoir: They are
[21:35] <soreau> sekuoir: which is why you should complain or file a bug report so it gets fixed.
[21:35] <soreau> are you still using karmic?
[21:35] <domjohnson> What do you guys think about FreeBSD (and BSD in general) vs Ubuntu (and Linux in general)?
[21:36] <gnomefreak> domjohnson: try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:36] <sekuoir> Soreau it seems rediculous that these drivers are open-sources yet they still have this problem!
[21:36] <gnomefreak> we only deal with support issues for 10.04
[21:36] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Alright, I gotcha.
[21:36] <gnomefreak> for 2 more days than we get redirected for a while
[21:36] <soreau> sekuoir: The bigger problem is they used to work fine before karmic.. I dont know how they are working in lucid
[21:37] <GSF1200S> ok, so why can dhclient not resolve a dhcp request with my router, but nm-applet has absolutely no issue?  I connect to my router with arch all the time using dhclient, but on ubuntu it just repeats dhcpdiscover and then errors out
[21:37] <soreau> so its a regression
[21:37] <sekuoir> no they don't work in Karmic
[21:37] <bryanr> python 3.1 should still be functional on Lucid, yes?
[21:38] <chillindave> So 10.04 will officially launch in 2 days?
[21:38] <Zelozelos> ok so i just reinstalled everything, got it just about set up the way i want, what i want to do now is make it to where if anytime in the futer i need to reinstall it will install exactly the way it is now (with all the programs n stuff i added) is there a way to do so?
[21:38] <gnomefreak> chillindave: intended for thursday
[21:38] <bryanr> I am going to stay awake from now until april 29th
[21:38] <chillindave> Nice!  So this will include the netbook remix and other versions too I assume?
[21:38] <bryanr> just for the countdown :)
[21:39] <gnomefreak> chillindave: a day or 2 after is to set your clock by. releases dont always happen on day/time we expect to release
[21:39] <gnomefreak> chillindave: yes
[21:39] <duffydack> chillindave, clonezilla, or remastersys.
[21:39] <gnomefreak> you will be redircted to #ubuntu-release-party when we change this channel
[21:40] <duffydack> chillindave, sorry wrong dude.  Zelozelos  I meant...
[21:40] <the_student> Zelozelos: Copy (an image of) your drives to a server
[21:40] <sekuoir> soreau:no they don't work in Karmic, I hope Lucid won't have this probelm
[21:40] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Alright, nice.  I'll be looking forward to adding it to my netbook and other desktop and hopefully the issue with Firefox hogging my CPU excessively is fixed somewhere in there.
[21:40] <Zelozelos> the_student, can i use ubuntu one as the server? i dont have a server
[21:41] <soreau> sekuoir: please try it. I hope so too
[21:41] <Zelozelos> i have an external hd how bout using that?
[21:42] <sekuoir> soreau, it is already worse, I transitioned to Fedora and it is the same problem
[21:42] <gnomefreak> chillindave: the stable 3.6 version in Lucid repos should work fine. but not everyone sees the same bug. a good way to find out if it is firefox is to run top (most high CPU bugs lately have been xorg) unless you are running a daily build of firefox but even we fixed that :)
[21:42] <Zelozelos> how do i make an image of my drive? the_student
[21:42] <gnomefreak> ok stepping a way while updating ISOs
[21:42] <soreau> sekuoir: like I said, complain in #intel-gfx or file a bug report
[21:42] <soreau> its not a compiz issue
[21:43] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Well, it was definitely firefox and it ran real sluggish as well.  I disabled all addons/plugins and same thing.  I tried different versions (not any historical ones) and same thing.  Never could figure it out.
[21:44] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, I am now :P
[21:44] <chillindave> bug 570885
[21:44] <chillindave> An_Ony_Moose: ^^ Try that.
[21:45] <sekuoir> In Cal Poly they are preparing for a Party on the 29th
[21:45] <chillindave> An_Ony_Moose: Read the last note on it.
[21:46] <the_student> Zelozelos: Not quite sure, just know it can be done, ubuntu one might not be enough space
[21:46] <Zelozelos> the_student, hmm ok ill start googling ;)O
[21:46] <duffydack> Zelozelos, clonezilla.org
[21:47] <the_student> Zelozelos: Try something like dd, or cp -r
[21:47] <duffydack> Zelozelos, make sure to get the alternative ubuntu based iso/zip.
[21:48] <gnomefreak> chillindave: try new profile. if it doesnt help please file a bug the same way ubuntu-bug firefox
[21:48] <Zelozelos> thanks guys, this will save me a lot of time in the future, im almost sure to mess stuff up again rofl
[21:48] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: disable compiz reboot and see if you see the problem still.
[21:49] <gnomefreak> i am looking at bugs for the next few minutes please let me know if i need to look at any (this does not gaurinty yours will be one of them)
[21:49] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Alright.  Will do, when I mentioned it before, the only response I got was "Use another browser", but I really need firebug for web development, so that wasn't really the answer.
[21:49] <chillindave> And I can also bet I'm not the only one having the issue either.
[21:50] <gnomefreak> chillindave: firebug is an issue and has been for a while. depends on what you are doing there are other extensions. firebug devs are slow to fix things so we are slow to fix them for most part unless we can fix it fast and submit patch to upstream authors
[21:50] <gnomefreak> since the latest firefox update you are :)
[21:51] <chillindave> Both PCs were running 9.10.
[21:51] <gnomefreak> lots of firefox bugs for me to look at but they wont all be tonight. im looking at 1 bug with a bunch of dups for the next few minutes as it will help me clean them up in morning
[21:52] <chillindave> gnomefreak: I gotcha.  I've never had any problem with other versions or using it in Windows, which I know is irrelevant.
[21:52]  * gnomefreak forgot #
[21:53] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, I don't use compiz anyway (and sorry for late reply, I'm not checking regularly
[21:53] <gnomefreak> chillindave: for mozilla problems you are best to reach me in #ubuntu-mozillateam since i look there most often. but that is wher eyou can find me for most things
[21:53] <chillindave> gnomefreak: Well if you ever need someone to help by testing it, I have three different boxes with different setups, so I'd be happy to help.
[21:54] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: good idea is to check the setting in system>pref>visual... some people dont relize that using jockey/hardware drivers menu entry will enable it for you without asking you
[21:54] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, I use compiz-icon and rarely switch from metacity...
[21:56] <Zelozelos> duffydack, question, i have vista and ubuntu on the same drive, ubuntu is 64bit and windows is 32 will this make any diff?
[21:56] <gnomefreak> An_Ony_Moose: ok its possible your is separate i just figured i would let you know since it fixed chillindave's issuse simular to yours
[21:56] <duffydack> Zelozelos, makes no diff
[21:57] <An_Ony_Moose> gnomefreak, ok :)
[21:57] <An_Ony_Moose> thanks
[21:57] <fosco__> hi
[21:57] <duffydack> Zelozelos, if you have enough space (it uses compression btw) then just make a full disk image...
[21:57] <fosco__> is there an easy way to disable plymouth from boot?
[21:58] <carbm1> Just installed 10.04 RC and having a problem with it asking for a password twice after the screensaver comes on.  Known problem? Where can I check?
[21:58] <rohan> fosco__: i think you can add the kernel parameter "nosplash"
[21:58] <fosco__> thanks,i'll try
[21:58] <duffydack> Zelozelos, and it doesnt image empty space like 'dd' does either... only used space. Ive used it in dozens of backups/restores for couple of years.
[21:59] <Zelozelos> duffydack, heh, i cant seem to find the dl for 64bit ubuntu
[22:00] <duffydack> Zelozelos, there isnt one.. its for both
[22:00] <Zelozelos> ahaaaa i see :0
[22:00] <duffydack> Zelozelos, Its a live environment, but no pretty GUI like ubuntu.
[22:01] <Zelozelos> so i guess i just get the iso/zip by the stable (debian based)?
[22:01] <duffydack> Zelozelos, Ive got it on a usb stick, only 125meg..
[22:01] <duffydack> Zelozelos, no, you need the ubuntu one for ext4 support
[22:03] <duffydack> Zelozelos, the alternative stable is karmic kernel based and the alternate testing is lucid kernel based.
[22:03] <Zelozelos> duffydack, trying not to look like a dummy here, but could you look at the site http://clonezilla.org/ and tell me where i need 2 click
[22:03] <duffydack> Zelozelos, personally I`m using http://clonezilla.org/download/sourceforge/alternative-testing/iso-zip-files.php
[22:03] <Zelozelos> i hate sites like this i can never seem to find anything
[22:04] <Zelozelos> duffydack, phew, that makes it a lot easier
[22:04] <Zelozelos> thankyou
[22:05] <MartinBlumen> hi, everyone. I have a kubuntu question. On startup after grub menu I see a couple of "blinks" and really weird graphics. I can tell it should be saying "kubuntu", but everything is shifted and there are just like 4 colors used
[22:05] <duffydack> Zelozelos, as long as its ubuntu based, either alternative works.
[22:05] <MartinBlumen> Is anyone else seeing this?
[22:06] <Zelozelos> clonezilla-live-20100426-lucid.zip i grabbed this one
[22:06] <duffydack> Zelozelos, if you wanna put it ona usb stick, yeah.
[22:07] <Zelozelos> heh, well, guess i should put it on a disk seeing as i dont currently haev a usb stick open
[22:07] <Zelozelos> hahaa
[22:07] <duffydack> Zelozelos,  well get the iso then :)
[22:08] <Zelozelos> i think i need 2 step away for a while, im kinda burnt from all the mess i created earlier, thanks for the help duffydack
[22:09] <Zelozelos> been starin at this screen for a long time w/o even a small break
[22:09] <Ken8521> Zelozelos, u still trying to fix that?.. i thought you were just gonna reinstall?
[22:10] <Zelozelos> Ken8521, yup ist all reinstalled, now im makin a image of the disk for next time so i dont have 2 go through all this, as im sure to screw it up again
[22:10] <Ken8521> ah i see.
[22:10] <jbwiv> guys, when trying to clean up some old themes from Karmic after an upgrade to Lucid, I accidentally deleted quite a few packages, including all the Lucid themes and some other things. Is there an easy way to insure that all packages Lucid would have included are installed?
[22:10] <Ken8521> Zelozelos, better haev a big backup drive if you're gonna image windows and Linux...
[22:11] <Ken8521> seems like a waste of time to me.
[22:11] <Zelozelos> just ubuntu, screw windows, i dont do anything but use it for what i have 2 use it for anymore
[22:11] <Ken8521> why would you image ubuntu?  just reinstall if it's *that* screwed up
[22:12] <the_student> Ken8521: I think settings and other progs where wanted too
[22:12] <Zelozelos> well, i have a lot of stuff installed, changed, files i have 2 move back over, compiz settings, etc etc that takes me forever to get back to the way it was
[22:14] <Ken8521> Zelozelos, i guess... i never upgrade, i always clean install, so what I did, I took a Word file, and in that word file, i detail all settings I've made in the OS, any software I use, how to do them, etc.. (it's about 3 pages long)...
[22:14] <jrib> I tried using usb-creator on a jaunty install to create a usb startup disk with the lucid alternate amd64 iso (I have also tried the desktop cd with the same result).  However, on my macbook when I select the usb in refit, it shows the diamond logo (like it had for the usb at the selection screen) for a few seconds then just boots my normal ubuntu install.  How else can I troubleshoot this?
[22:14] <Ken8521> when i clean install, i simply refer to that word file, takes me about 30min to reset all my settings
[22:14] <Ken8521> jrib, someone reported some issues w/ usb-creator yesterday.. don't remember the specifics
[22:14] <Ken8521> try unetbootin
[22:15] <Zelozelos> Ken8521, thats about how many pages mine would be 2, this way i can image the whole partition and if i need i can just replace the drive from the image (i think anyhow)
[22:15] <jrib> Ken8521: okay, thanks
[22:15] <chillindave> Can the window min/max/close buttons not be moved back to the right side?
[22:15] <arand> jbwiv: Got command for you, hang on...
[22:15] <jrib> chillindave: they can, using gconf
[22:15] <yofel> !controls
[22:15] <Ken8521> Zelozelos, yeah, but what happens if something breaks in 6mo?.. you're gonna restore, and have about 6mo worth of updates to do.
[22:15] <Zelozelos> chillindave, alt f2, type gconf-editor
[22:15] <chillindave> Thank you.  That's a terrible idea.
[22:18] <Zelozelos> chillindave, navagate to apps,metacity,general, find "button_layout" double click on it and type "menu:minimize,maximize,close" click ok you will see the change immediatly
[22:19] <arand> jbwiv: «« sudo apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop | awk -F ":" '{print $2}' | sed '/^$/d' | xargs sudo apt-get install --install-recommends --yes -s »»  This should take care of all the stuff which are normally intalled on the default dekstop. Look through what it says, and if what it wants to do looks ok, remove the -s (simulate) flag
[22:19] <jrib> arand: no need for sudo
[22:19] <Zelozelos> Ken8521, ill just have 2 make it a habbit to re-make the image every once n a while
[22:19] <Ken8521> yea...
[22:19] <jrib> arand: the first one anyway
[22:19] <crow> How to increase udev wait to mount harddriver defined with udev rules? i got : General error mounting filesystems. A maintenance shell will now be started. CONTROL_D will terminate this shell and reboot the system. and just one from two harddrive is mounted...
[22:19] <chillindave> Zelozelos: Thank you, I was just reading that at http://blog.daviey.com/blogroll/anything-but-the-buttons.html  That's much better, moving those isn't a good idea IMO.
[22:19] <jbwiv> hi guys. Someone responded to my question, but my machine froze. Would you mind re-posting your answer?
[22:20] <Zelozelos> chillindave, got it from how-to-geek's site ;)
[22:20] <arand> jbwiv: «« apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop | awk -F ":" '{print $2}' | sed '/^$/d' | xargs sudo apt-get install --install-recommends --yes -s »»  This should take care of all the stuff which are normally intalled on the default dekstop. Look through what it says, and if what it wants to do looks ok, remove the -s (simulate) flag
[22:20] <jbwiv> arand: cool, thanks
[22:20] <Zelozelos> Oh yeah, chillindave remember if you change the themes or anything you'll prob have 2 do it again
[22:21] <the_student> Zelozelos: either that or keep it running updates on a separate machine
[22:21] <Zelozelos> ok its done ld'ing, im outta here for a while, thanks agian guys for the help
[22:21] <chillindave> Zelozelos: Alright, thanks for the head's up.  Hopefully in the release version they swap it back so no one has to do this.  Otherwise you can bet it'll be asked 1,000,000+ times.
[22:22] <yofel> chillindave: it will stay on the left
[22:23] <chillindave> yofel: No kidding?  Wow, that's just awkward.  It'd really mess someone up going between platforms and getting familiar with it being there.
[22:24] <yofel> well, mac doesn't use the same button layout as windows, so there's no reason for ubuntu to not use their own too
[22:25] <crow> How to increase udev wait to mount harddriver defined with udev rules? i got : General error mounting filesystems. A maintenance shell will now be started. CONTROL_D will terminate this shell and reboot the system. and just one from two harddrive is mounted...
[22:25] <yofel> and it's not that bad once you get used to it, tested it in KDE for a while by setting the layout by hand, it's ok, but takes a bit of gettting used to
[22:27] <chillindave> Yeah.  Well as long as it's able to be moved back, it shouldn't be any major issue.  I would recommend making it an option under "System > Preferences > Appearance" so it's easier to change back and that's where I looked all over for the option.
[22:31] <JediMaster> hey guys, I want to switch to an older nvidia driver (185 with vdpau) how do you switch driver versions in lucid?
[22:33] <chillindave> yofel: Is the height of the title bar adjustable or is that associated with the theme?
[22:35] <JediMaster> ok, I'll rephrase that, how do you use the new alternative system for nvidia drivers?
[22:38] <yofel> chillindave: I don't know if that's possible,sry
[22:39] <yofel> JediMaster: we don't have 185 is lucid the glx-185 package will install 195
[22:40] <crow> How to increase udev wait to mount harddriver defined with udev rules? i got : General error mounting filesystems. A maintenance shell will now be started. CONTROL_D will terminate this shell and reboot the system. and just one from two harddrive is mounted...
[22:41] <yofel> JediMaster: why do you want 185?
[22:41] <jcole> i cant switch back and forth from the "guest" user... my screen goes black and i have to restart... is the guest user being broken a known issue?
[22:42] <JediMaster> yofel, for vdpau
[22:43] <yofel> JediMaster: 195 has vdpau too
[22:43] <jcole> the guest user is quite useful for me since i am doing customized livecds
[22:43] <yofel> >=185 should have vdpau
[22:43] <JediMaster> yofel, really? it seems choppy compared to 185
[22:44] <yofel> no idea, I don't use vdpau myself
[22:44] <JediMaster> well I've hopefully disabled compositing so that may help
[22:57] <shan3> Is it possible to use bash instead of sh for upstart jobs?
[22:59] <chillindave> I'm curious, is installing Ubuntu inside Windows as outlined here: http://www.windowslifestyle.com/index.php/2010/03/install-ubuntu-inside-windows-7/ considered safe since it's on the same partition as Windows?  I wouldn't think so....
[22:59] <JediMaster> yofel, disabling compositing has made a pretty big difference, nice smooth hd playback on an intel atom/nvidia ion system
[23:00] <yofel> shan3: you should rather ask this in #ubuntu-devel, they know more about this
[23:00] <bjsnider> yofel, you don't use vdpau? what's the matter with you?
[23:01] <yofel> I don't watch that much videos (not to mention that I never even looked up how to actually use vdpau)
[23:01] <shan3> thanks yofel
[23:03] <Daijoubu> how can i install aac codec?
[23:10] <bjsnider> yofel, you don't watch movies?
[23:10] <yofel> not much on my pc
[23:10] <fatum> /boot/grub/menu.lst is empty, is this the location for 10.04?
[23:10] <yofel> !grub2 | fatum
[23:11] <fatum> yofel:  /boot/grub/menu.lst is empty though, I'm confused at that.  There isn't anything in the file.
[23:11] <yofel> grub2 doesn't use it
[23:11] <yofel> the configuration system changed, please read the wiki page
[23:16] <CreativeChemist> issue: randomly compiz will disapear then computer will log off
[23:16] <jrib> CreativeChemist: you need to first install 10.04 in a supported manner.  Upgrading intrepid to lucid directly isn't supported and you likely have a broken upgrade
[23:18] <CreativeChemist> sorry, thing rebooted again
[23:18] <CreativeChemist> what did you say?
[23:19] <CreativeChemist> how do I switch from compiz to metacity then back again? might fix the issue. Id check google but everytime I try to open firefox it freezes then reboots
[23:19] <jrib> CreativeChemist: you need to first install 10.04 in a supported manner.  Upgrading intrepid to lucid directly isn't supported and you likely have a broken upgrade
[23:19] <jrib> ...
[23:20] <CreativeChemist> stupipd thing :(
[23:20] <jrib> CreativeChemist: did you get my last?
[23:20] <jrib> CreativeChemist: you need to first install 10.04 in a supported manner.  Upgrading intrepid to lucid directly isn't supported and you likely have a broken upgrade
[23:21] <CreativeChemist> wont help me... that breaks wireless
[23:21] <CreativeChemist> and therefore no internet
[23:21] <CreativeChemist> but what about switching back to metacity
[23:21] <CreativeChemist> how do I do that
[23:21] <jrib> CreativeChemist: install karmic and upgrade to lucid.   Though I don't see how upgrading won't break wireless while installing fresh does
[23:22] <jrib> CreativeChemist: metacity --replace
[23:22] <CreativeChemist> jrib,  I don't see how either but thats what happens :P
[23:24] <mawst> Where's the file with the paths in it?
[23:24] <jrib> mawst: erm, paths for what?
[23:25] <mawst> jrib: like where I would add things like /usr/games
[23:25] <mawst> Last time I edited it I think I funked it up a bit
[23:25] <jrib> mawst: what are you trying to accomplish really?
[23:25] <mawst> Because now it's not loading games
[23:25] <mawst> I need to find the file.
[23:26] <mawst> So I can correct what I did
[23:26] <mawst> :)
[23:26] <jrib> mawst: tell us what you are trying to accomplish...
[23:26] <mawst> I need to delete the extra line I added to the file.
[23:26] <mawst> It's got dupe entries, and the entries that aren't dupes I need to add to the original line.
[23:26] <jrib> mawst: you're being too vague for me to have any clue what you are talking about
[23:26] <mawst> /etc/paths or something
[23:27] <jrib> mawst: are you editing the default system-wide PATH environment variable for some reason?
[23:29] <mawst> It's /etc/environment
[23:29] <mawst> Thanks. :D
[23:29] <jrib> mawst: darn, I gave you too much information.  Anyway, honestly, you probably shouldn't be messing with that so if you want to know if there is a better way to do whatever it is your end-goal is, you should tell us
[23:30] <mawst> I needed to fix the file jrib.
[23:30] <mawst> It's ok.
[23:30] <mawst> :)
[23:30] <mawst> All fixed.
[23:30] <jrib> as you wish
[23:30] <crdlb> for now ...
[23:30] <mawst> Well
[23:30] <mawst> What happened is I was installing E
[23:30] <mawst> And it had me add a line to there.
[23:31] <mawst> But alot of the entries were dupes... and also I think it only goes on the last PATH= (I had two)
[23:31] <mawst> So I fixed the second one.
[23:32] <mawst> http://pastebin.com/PyuiM3u5
[23:32] <mawst> See there.
[23:32] <mawst> :P
[23:32] <mawst> e.g. my games wouldn't run.
[23:33] <mawst> Because it went on the second path.
[23:33] <mawst> You can't call it twice.
[23:33] <mawst> It sets it explicitly.
[23:33] <mawst> :)
[23:33] <mawst> If I say PATH="foo" then PATH="bar", PATH=bar. Not Foo and Bar.
[23:33] <mawst> :)
[23:35] <yofel> no, it's PATH="foo" then PATH="bar:$PATH" ;)
[23:35] <jrib> mawst: e17 is in the repositories, isn't it?
[23:35] <mawst> jrib: not 17
[23:35] <jrib> !info e17
[23:35] <jrib> oh, it's in squeeze
[23:36] <mawst> It was a waste anyway.
[23:36] <mawst> I didn't end up liking it.
[23:36] <mawst> I think I'm a gnome lifer.
[23:36] <jrib> mawst: have you tried a tiling wm like xmonad?
[23:36] <mawst> Can't say I have
[23:37] <mawst> I'm always down to check new things out though
[23:37] <mawst> I may have a look
[23:37] <jrib> mawst: takes some getting used to but it's worth it imho
[23:43] <WierdAAR> Hey, I just installed lucid and I have no sound.. I can't quite figure out why. Any ideas?
[23:44] <WierdAAR> I did nothing more than install google chrome, and the xubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:44] <eremite> WierdAAR: Ubuntu has major sound problems.   I see.. And you fixes or workarounds yet?
[23:46] <eremite> WierdAAR: yes, do not use Ubuntu :D
[23:46] <eremite> Try opening alsamixer and make sure everything is turned up
[23:46] <WierdAAR> eremite, Well.. Other than that hehe?
[23:47] <WierdAAR> Master and PCM is turned up
[23:48] <eremite> I dont know why they bother releasing broken releases.  So many people have sound problems.  Its 2010 for christs sake.
[23:48] <MotherMGA1> I'm having problems with my sound in 10.4.  I have all channels to maximum and I can barely hear a whisper in my headphones.
[23:49] <MotherMGA1> Does anyone have a suggestion on how I can fix this?
[23:49] <duffydack> Luckily the only problems I have are headphones.  other than that, it works OOTB now.
[23:49] <eremite> lol, look, snother sound problem!
[23:49] <eremite> another*
[23:49] <ringer> this is most odd. I sort of get the window buttons on the left, but chrome browser has them on the right still!
[23:50] <eremite> ringer, you can change themes and have the buttons switched back.    Whoever thought of that bright idea should be fired.
[23:50] <MotherMGA1> I'm on a sony vaio E series. it has intel audio and mobility hd.  I've yet to hear anything through my speakers
[23:50] <ringer> eremite, i understand they are going to use the space on the right to display messages etc
[23:51] <ringer> eremite, I am willing to try a new way of working
[23:51] <eremite> ringer: yesh, and its a bad idea.  Ugly, bloated and whoever thought that a series of menus was a good idea should be fired.
[23:51] <crdlb> ringer: you need to enable "use system title bar and borders" in chrome, I guess
[23:51] <WierdAAR> Well this pretty much sucks then
[23:51] <ringer> crdlb, thanks - I'll try that for consistency
[23:52] <wick94> hey guys!
[23:52] <eremite> Rhythmbox opens to teh sys tary only, but if you dont have the new ugly notification applet install in yoru panel you wouldnt even know.'
[23:52] <eremite> tray*
[23:52] <wick94> guys how do i set pidgin as my default IM client in ubuntu 10.04
[23:52] <eremite> wick94: sudo apt-get install pidgen
[23:52] <wick94> eremite i know how to install it
[23:52] <WierdAAR> eremite, Is there any news on a new packages release for the sound problems that you know off?
[23:53] <wick94> i want to know how to set it as the default client
[23:53] <eremite> WierdAAR: not that I am aware of, but it will probably be fixed in 2 months.
[23:53] <eremite> For most people, anyway.
[23:53] <ringer> crdlb, ugh! very ugly now.
[23:54] <WierdAAR> eremite, Seriously?? . Two months with a release date in two days?
[23:54] <wick94> eremite u know how wen u clik on the 'chat' button in 10.04 it open up empathy, i want it to open pidgin instead
[23:54] <WierdAAR> wick94, try looking in preferred applications..
[23:54] <eremite> WierdAAR: Ubuntu release are never ready for use when they are released.  They always have at least a month of problems.
[23:54] <SuN__> ext4 file system is stable and you may want to enjoy a new axis Ubuntu 10:04
[23:54] <trism> wick94: if you want to remove that chat item in the indicator applet, remove empathy and it will just show pidgin
[23:55] <eremite> wick94: SYSTEM > Prefernces > Prefered Applications
[23:55] <wick94> trism thnx, i'll give tht a try
[23:55] <WierdAAR> eremite, Damn ... That sucks..   It also doesnt have right click or middle click enabled.  Useless.  Ugly and useless.
[23:56] <eremite> wick94: delete empathy
[23:56] <addchild314> Hey all
[23:56] <wick94> eremit thts wht i m gonna do, i will remove empathy and install pidgin
[23:56] <eremite> if you only have one chat client installed it will act as default, usually.
[23:56] <wick94> eremite i m gonna give it a go
[23:56] <wick94> i'll tell u the result
[23:57] <addchild314> On 10.04b2 x64 wubi install with grub 2 (i think) and current nvidia drivers, boot progress screen graphics are extremely low-res. Any way to fix?
[23:57] <eremite> addchild314: use xrandr to change resolutions.  Google "xrandr change resolution"
[23:57] <ZykoticK9> addchild314, if you have nvidia-proprietary driver it's probably best to just leave it at the 640x480
[23:58] <eremite> ZykoticK9: why would anyone want a 640X480 SCREEN RESOLUTION?
[23:58] <eremite> dOES ANYONE ACTUALLY USE A 2INCH MONITOR?
[23:58] <ZykoticK9> eremite, Plymouth resolution!
[23:58] <addchild314> yeah, Plymouth. Sorry
[23:58] <yofel> !caps
[23:59] <eremite> yofel: it was a caps lock mistake, take a deep breath, calm down and step away from the computer.
[23:59] <eremite> jesus...
[23:59] <addchild314> ZykoticK9, Why not change it?
[23:59] <yofel> addchild314: plymouth requires a driver with KMS support to set the resolution, either play with the framebuffer settings or leave it
[23:59] <ZykoticK9> addchild314, it is possible to increase the Plymouth resolution - but probably a waste of time -- http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/plymouth-resolution
[23:59] <Jake2|cfl> wick94: u will think I am crazy, but the chat function in Opera is very nice!
[23:59] <yofel> eremite: you could have fixed it once you saw that you had caps lock enabled, it just sounds rude (sorry if I sounded rude)
[23:59] <vistakiller> i fix the plymouth problem with this guide http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/
[23:59] <wick94> Jake2|cfl open chat function? nevr heard of it, lol