[22:02] <k1l> high_fiver: intel drivers are in the kernel already. so with the newer 15.04 you get a newer kernel and newer intel drivers
[22:03] <brainwash> k1l: the xorg intel driver is obviously not part of the kernel
[22:06] <LeEarl> yo
[22:06] <LeEarl> what is the lightest emulator?
[22:07] <brainwash> emulator for?
[22:07] <ubuntu637> yo this is actual support not your search engine
[22:07] <LeEarl> I wanna run ubuntu Mate emulated on ubuntu with a P4 cpu
[22:08] <k1l> brainwash: ok, that was badly phrased. but i think he gets what i mean.
[22:08] <LeEarl> virtualbox is going to be heavy! I want something lighter.
[22:08] <LeEarl> or maybe u call it virtualization or sumfin
[22:08] <areolla> i need help i lost my password should i just reinstall ubuntu or is there a way to recover
[22:09] <k1l> !password | areolla
[22:09] <areolla> ubottu, thx]
[22:10] <k1l> LeEarl: what about the containers like docker, or lxc/lxd?
[22:11] <LeEarl> I dunno what a container is
[22:11] <k1l> LeEarl: but dont expect wonders if it runs on a p4
[22:11] <LeEarl> k1l, that is  why I am asking for a lite vm app
[22:11] <k1l> LeEarl: then start with docker.
[22:12] <LeEarl> k1l, that has gui?
[22:12] <high_fiver> k1l, LeEarl, no X server in containers in afraid
[22:12] <k1l> ah, you want a gui. hmm.
[22:13] <brainwash> he mentioned ubuntu mate
[22:14] <LeEarl> I want a vm app to be light
[22:14] <LeEarl> does qemu allow u to run ubuntu under ubuntu?
[22:15] <brainwash> it should
[22:15] <LeEarl> Boxes needs hardware virtualization!
[22:16] <brainwash> maybe you should give vbox a try first. or did you already try it?
[22:19] <MonkeyDust> LeEarl  VMWare player is also free (sort of)   http://www.vmware.com/products/player/playerpro-evaluation.html
[22:20] <LeEarl> MonkeyDust, does it work on P4 ?
[22:20] <MonkeyDust> LeEarl  not sure, haven't tried
[22:21] <bazhang> LeEarl, why would you possible want to vm ubuntu on ubuntu on such a weak system
[22:21] <LeEarl> bazhang, I am having a class that requires using VPN
[22:21] <areolla> does anybody have info on how i can dual boot windows with ubuntu
[22:21] <LeEarl> so I wanna run VPN inside that VM
[22:21] <k1l> !dualboot | areolla
[22:22] <LeEarl> bazhang, besides that is the only system I got. just P4 2gigs ram
[22:23] <jimcornette> Hello there How can I tell what process is running when I try to umount a /proc or /dev  I get the error.  Blah blah blah target is busy.  then:  In some cases useful info about processes that        use the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1).)
[22:24] <MonkeyDust> LeEarl  do you need a gui? if not, try vagrant, find it in the repos and read this a bit, to start    http://www.vagrantbox.es/
[22:24] <LeEarl> ok thanks a lot
[22:24] <areolla> does anybody have info on the tools needed to make a program
[22:24] <k1l> LeEarl: i would not consider to start a vm with full desktop on 2GB ram only
[22:25] <jimcornette> areolla,  there is apt-get build-deps
[22:25] <LeEarl> k1l, what about xununtu in vm??
[22:25] <LeEarl> if possible I can run the lightest linux distro.
[22:26] <k1l> LeEarl: you want to run a full desktop OS which makes that much overhead. just run the vpn in your host system.
[22:27] <DarkTomas> Is there a good way to decide if i can trust a ppa or not? I wasnt able to find anything like that
[22:27] <LeEarl> vagrant installed lotsa ruby stuff! seems slow just judging by that!
[22:29] <xangua> DarkTomas: by definition, no
[22:29] <DarkTomas> xangua: oh well , Thank you for the answer :)
[22:29] <k1l> DarkTomas: its 3rd party software. if you trust the 3rd party is up to you
[22:30] <xangua> Even if it has the word "official"in some part of the name, as ANYONE can create a PPA
[22:31] <k1l> and that still doesnt tell you what else is in the PPA. since a "super best videodriver ever" PPA could still ship other packages too like kernels etc.
[22:32] <DarkTomas> So it does make more sense to compile it myself?
[22:32] <root____1> slkj
[22:33] <root____1> anyone there?
[22:34] <bazhang> root____1, ubuntu support question?
[22:34] <k1l> DarkTomas: if you dont trust anyone, yes. (but then you still trust the sources :) )
[22:34] <root____1> just curious how to change my username
[22:34] <DarkTomas> k1l: ^^ you are right
[22:34] <bazhang>  /nick newnick
[22:35] <hotdog> lkqjwelqw
[22:35] <hotdog> sweeet
[22:35] <hotdog> im now a hotdog
[22:35] <hotdog> ty
[22:35] <LeEarl> hotdo type /help
[22:35] <k1l> !rootirc | hotdog
[22:35] <LeEarl> hotdog ^
[22:35] <bazhang> take chit chat to #ubuntu-offtopic if no support hotdog
[22:35] <Bashing-om> jimcornette: Does 'fuser' give related info ? ' man fuser '
[22:36] <hotdog> exit
[22:37] <Sirmonx> #html5
[22:39] <areolla> i need help with picking a new os should i keep ubuntu or window xp or what ever mac uses
[22:39] <jimcornette> hey Bashing-om  thanks for responding.  So I think that it is my schroots that are getting in the way or maybe it was kde. I am not sure TBH.  Here is the script. It is line 279 where the issues start http://pastebin.com/CstEdu1P
[22:39] <k1l> areolla: take ubuntu
[22:39] <k1l> (since you ask in #ubuntu)
[22:39] <areolla> k
[22:39] <Bashing-om> jimcornette: Look'n at http://pastebin.com/CstEdu1P .
[22:41] <jimcornette> Bashing-om, it gives me a can not umount because there is something busy about it.  then when the rsync happens at line 327 proc files up the whole drive and crash's the script.  Going to try and run with umount -l and also not in KDE but gnome this time
[22:42] <jimcornette> the last time I did a lsof /path/of/proc/mount it was showing things like chrome and systemD stuff
[22:42] <threeman> hello
[22:44] <Bashing-om> jimcornette: In the build .. do the directories listed actually exist ( @line 279)?
[22:46] <jimcornette> Bashing-om,  not sure I follow see line 219 -- 221
[22:46] <bjrohan> Hello all. When I was using 14.04, my wireless worked great. yesterday I updated to 14.10 then 15.04, and now my built-in Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230 (rev c4) wifi isn't working very well. It is the card / upgrade issue, as when I attach my Alpha USB wifi card it works perfectly
[22:46] <bjrohan> any ideas on how to update the buil-in Centrino driver?
[22:48] <jimcornette> Sorry Bashing-om yeah they are there
[22:50] <Bashing-om> jimcornette: Best ask someone more able with scripting than myself; but, I am not real happy with this double declaration of "proc" in line 219 .
[22:52] <sudormrf> hey guys.  I am trying to send some files via bluetooh, however the "send files to device" is not showing.  I have unpaired and repaired the device multiple times, I have restarted the bluetooth service multiple times and am getting nowhere.  I have enabled public folder sharing
[22:52] <sudormrf> any ideas?
[22:52] <jimcornette> thanks for the advice Bashing-om
[22:53] <jimcornette> About to figure out in like 5 minutes what was going on.
[22:53] <Bashing-om> jimcornette: :) regret I can not help more .
[22:57] <jimcornette> Bashing-om, it is looking good this time around running debootstraps second stage then thrid then after that I willknow.  .... fingers crossed
[22:58] <jimcornette> kinda fun to make Ubuntu img files for armhf boards
[22:59] <Bashing-om> jimcornette: :) . Has it own set of rewards. Far reaching .
[23:00] <jimcornette> Bashing-om, yeah most the odroid and other boards that have img'g all ready are super heavey and I dont need things like x11 and what not
[23:00] <jimcornette> it is the mali drivers that are messing with me for the last week.  anyways that is kinda offtopic so I will stop talking about it and will let you know how it goes
[23:13] <jimcornette> Bashing-om,  it worked !
[23:13] <tobben> Is raspivid working in ubuntu-mate ?
[23:14] <hplc> is there any newer versions of the "debsums search and replace" type of scripts?, the ones i try to put togheter are rough and unreliable
[23:14] <Bashing-om> jimcornette: Great ! When you are good you are good .
[23:14] <tobben> Is raspivid working in ubuntu-mate ?
[23:15] <jimcornette> thanks Bashing-om  and thanks for the help/ Alot of times the extra set of eyeballs does the trick.
[23:15] <tobben> rapivid is a RPI camera utility
[23:15] <bazhang> patience tobben
[23:15]  * jimcornette hopes that Bashing-om has to eyes and not a patch
[23:17] <tobben> Anyone knowing if RPI camera works in ubuntu-mate ?
[23:22] <Bashing-om> jimcornette: Welllll, I got 2 eyes, but I have to have helpers on them .
[23:22] <jimcornette> :)
[23:23] <LeEarl> jimcornette, sumwun once asked me about difference between eyeballs and bullseye :]
[23:23] <bazhang> !ot | LeEarl
[23:24] <LeEarl> ok
[23:24] <LeEarl> buh bye den
[23:25] <tobben>  Anyone knowing if RPI camera works in ubuntu-mate ?
[23:26] <jimcornette> How do I tell resizeFS that the min file size is not 4 gigs lol.  there is like alot of space left on this loop and it thinks that I can not shrink  the rootFS down past 4.5
[23:28] <sudormrf> Bashing-om, any ideas? :)
[23:29] <Bashing-om> in respect to what sudormrf ? Sometimes my ideas bite back !
[23:30] <sudormrf> Bashing-om, having issues sending files over bluetooth.  namely, on one machine "send files to device" is not showing.  that is the machine I need to send from.  I have tried re-paring multiple times, restarting the bluetooth service and making sure the share public files is setup.  kind of at a loss right now
[23:30] <chaotix> Hey I am on an asus windows 7 x401u and I don't know what f button to boy from usb
[23:31] <jimcornette> Here is a screen shot of me trying to resizFS in gparted.  http://i.imgur.com/201bhva.png    http://i.imgur.com/pAYRTHM.png
[23:32] <Bashing-om> sudormrf: Nope, sorry no experience with bluetooth .
[23:32] <chaotix> Can anyone help please I would love you forever
[23:32] <areolla> is it possible to make a virus in ubuntu
[23:32] <bazhang> !ot | areolla
[23:32] <bazhang> areolla, thats not welcome here
[23:33] <MonkeyDust> it's a provocation
[23:33] <grunhart> lol, that was a question... It seems to fit in "support" for me.
[23:34] <bazhang> its not
[23:34] <areolla> bazhang, i was not asking how to i was asking would ubuntu be good to use since im tired of windows viruses
[23:34] <xangua> Window viruses are for Windows, yes
[23:35] <bazhang> they're gone, back to actual support
[23:46] <UA_President> What is the best channel for domain selling?
[23:46] <hinderaker> sedo
[23:46] <bazhang> !alis | UA_President
[23:48] <Rancor> !pastebin
[23:53] <chaotix> Hey I can't get to the menu for booting from USB..  The computer is a Windows 7 asus
[23:54] <chaotix> It doesn't seem to be f11 or 9
[23:54] <chaotix> In at wits end place help
[23:54] <chaotix> I want to show a friend for much better Ubuntu is but it won't bit from his computer
[23:55] <MonkeyDust> chaotix  it's not OS related... it's usually F12
[23:56] <Bashing-om> chaotix: Most likely Win7 is MBR partitioning. set in bios to boot the USB drive, and as soon as the bios screen clears depress and hold the right shift key .
[23:56] <chaotix> Ok
[23:56] <chaotix> I will tell him f 12
[23:57] <ubuntu784> Bashing-om: Is the shift the trigger for the original boot gui, not the later one we see?
[23:57] <whitehead> Hi
[23:57] <Bashing-om> ubuntu784: Shift for the leagacy .. escape key for UEFI endowed systems .
[23:58] <ubuntu784> Bashing-om: Ah, I wondered, cool thanx.
[23:58] <whitehead> i installed ubuntu 14.04 on 24gb ssd and i cant seem to access my 1tb hdd
[23:58] <whitehead> http://imgur.com/0dKtkn8
[23:59] <Bashing-om> ubuntu784: If one goes way way back ... to real old .. then again it is the escape key that grub will recognize .


[03:36] <mRMans> ping wgrant  when you are back and got a second.  It is about using 14.04 for building lp compared to to 12.04 and changing the apache conf files
[05:37] <wgrant> mRMans: Launchpad doesn't run on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS today.
[05:37] <wgrant> There are Apache config incompatibilities plus some other issues.
[05:37] <wgrant> We recommend Ubuntu 12.04 LTS instead.
[05:40] <mRMans> wgrant,  hello
[05:40] <mRMans> I made a LXC that is 12.04 and built but can not seem to get it in a browser
[05:40] <mRMans> last thing that I did was make run
[05:41] <mRMans> and it is hanging at 2014-12-21T22:22:51 INFO root Startup time: 8.001 sec real, 7.720 sec CPU
[05:41] <wgrant> That indicates that startup is complete.
[05:41] <mRMans> yeah but I can not see it in a browser on local or portforwarding via tomato
[05:41] <wgrant> "can not see it"?
[05:41] <wgrant> What exactly are you trying, and what goes wrong?
[05:42] <mRMans> meaning that It can not load in the browser
[05:42] <mRMans> just says connecting and never does
[05:42] <wgrant> Load what?
[05:42] <mRMans> google chrome tools says that it is just waiting to resolve
[05:42] <wgrant> What's the URL you're using?
[05:43] <wgrant> Have you set your /etc/hosts?
[05:43] <mRMans> looking at etc host in the LXC now
[05:43] <mRMans> thanks wgrant for your time
[05:43] <wgrant> If it's hanging on name resolution, that suggests your /etc/hosts is misconfigured.
[05:43] <wgrant> Which URL were you using?
[05:44] <mRMans> the name of the lxc container
[05:44] <wgrant> Ensure you've followed https://dev.launchpad.net/Running/RemoteAccess
[05:44] <mRMans> lpNew
[05:44] <mRMans> yeah
[05:44] <wgrant> You need to use a correct hostname.
[05:44] <wgrant> Launchpad uses vhosts extensively.
[05:44] <wgrant> So it'll want to be launchpad.dev.
[05:45] <mRMans> ok
[05:45] <mRMans> yeah I tried to point the browser to http://lpNew:8087/ but get nothing looking at hosts now
[05:45] <wgrant> 8087 is only a local port
[05:45] <mRMans> looks like this
[05:45] <wgrant> 80 and 443 are the interesting ones.
[05:45] <mRMans> <IP_ADDRESS>      launchpad.dev answers.launchpad.dev archive.launchpad.dev api.launchpad.dev bazaar.launchpad.dev bazaar-internal.launchpad.dev blueprints.launchpad.dev bugs.launchpad.dev code.launchpad.$
[05:45] <wgrant> Right.
[05:46] <wgrant> Put that in your system's /etc/hosts, except with the container's IP address rather than <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:46] <mRMans> that is ok if it is only local I have someone at the office ATM
[05:47] <mRMans> so you are saying replace <IP_ADDRESS> with the avahi name ? example:  <lxc host name>      launchpad.dev answers.launchpad.dev archive.launchpad.dev api.launchpad.dev bazaar.launchpad.dev bazaar-internal.launchpad.dev blueprints.launchpad.dev bugs.launchpad.dev code.launchpad.$
[05:47] <wgrant> No, normal /etc/hosts format.
[05:47] <mRMans> ok
[05:47] <wgrant> The first field is the IP address.
[05:48] <wgrant> The following fields are hostnames that should resolve to that IP address.
[05:50] <mRMans> If i just point my browser to <IP_ADDRESS> or any of the host names then I still got "nothing" back in the browser
[05:50] <mRMans> restart the lxc networking ?
[05:50] <wgrant> <IP_ADDRESS> on <IP_ADDRESS>/8 -- it's a loopback address, valid only within the container.
[05:51] <mRMans> ohh
[05:52] <mRMans> cigarettes coffee and beer oh my ! Thanks wgrant
[05:52] <wgrant> :)
[05:52] <mRMans> wgrant is there a blueprint for lp-dev in 14.04 ?
[05:52] <mRMans> what is the main issues ?
[05:52] <mRMans> besides apache 2.4 that is
[05:53] <wgrant> The main issue is the Apache config, but I believe there are also some other minor bits and pieces that will be broken. We do not run the test suite on 14.04 yet.
[05:53] <mRMans> is there a sprint ?
[05:54] <wgrant> A sprint?
[05:55] <mRMans> like a sprint to get it done by a certain time
[05:56] <mRMans> or a milestone maybe it is called
[05:57] <wgrant> Launchpad.net won't be upgraded from 12.04 for at least several months, so I can't give a definite timeline.
[05:57] <mRMans> Also last question is there armhf that I could build as a lot of my in-house packages are armhf
[05:57] <mRMans> odroid stuff ^^
[05:58] <mRMans> like in the LXC can I just pass -a armhf ? seems to error out
[05:58] <mRMans> s|LXC| LXC build|g
[05:59] <mRMans> I was using reprepro wannabuild and buildd before trying to move to LP
[05:59] <wgrant> A local Launchpad instance is a lot of work to maintain. And you can't run a buildd in an LXC containre.
[06:00] <wgrant> But you can create cross-architecture containers.
[06:00] <mRMans> Cool !
[06:00] <mRMans> so like a mounted chroot then
[06:00] <mRMans> with g++ ect
[06:00] <mRMans> or am I going down the wrong path ?
[06:01] <wgrant> What exactly are you trying to do?
[06:01] <wgrant> Running a local Launchpad instance is probably not the easiest way to achieve your goal.
[06:02] <mRMans> I want to use dput or something like that to build all armhf i386 amd64 and ppc builds of everything on a cron or something
[06:02] <mRMans> of the in-house packages
[06:03] <mRMans> like openzwave stuff a lot of Qt Libs that I have made.  Some backup ec2 scripts ect
[06:04] <mRMans> so that end users can use PPA for there systems and I do not need to use crons to update the packages.  As that is whta is going on atm
[06:04] <mRMans> what *
[06:05] <wgrant> Why did you need cronjobs if you were using reprepro already?
[06:05] <mRMans> to run checks on incoming
[06:05] <wgrant> Launchpad PPAs and reprepro repositories are just normal apt repositorys. There's nothing particularly special about PPAs.
[06:05] <wgrant> Ah
[06:05] <wgrant> Well, you have to do that with Launchpad too :)
[06:07] <mRMans> I see
[06:07] <wgrant> What improvements do you want over your current reprepro+wannabuild+buildd infrastructure?
[06:08] <mRMans> how do you trigger with upload to say build/launch a new LXC to build a package from something like ubuntu-minimal ?
[06:08] <wgrant> Launchpad.net provides private PPAs as a commercial service, which would certainly be much easier for you. But running your own Launchpad is a complicated endeavour.
[06:08] <wgrant> We don't build in LXC containers.
[06:08] <mRMans> bugs translations and many other things
[06:08] <wgrant> Launchpad.net builds packages with launchpad-buildd, which handles chroots itself.
[06:09] <mRMans> there is also jenkings running for all the Java stuff that we do. I want to merge into one framework
[06:09] <mRMans> but that also means lots of debian dirs
[06:10] <mRMans> with config ect files
[06:10] <mRMans> kinda trying to see if there is anything that can "do it all"
[06:10] <wgrant> Launchpad doesn't maintain your debian directories for you.
[06:11] <mRMans> also needs to be for debian and Ubuntu
[06:11] <wgrant> You still need to create the source packages.
[06:11] <wgrant> Ah, Launchpad.net cannot build packages for Debian today, just Ubuntu.
[06:11] <wgrant> But a local Launchpad instance could do Debian as well, if you have the expertise.
[06:12] <mRMans> aka make debootstrap debian and Ubuntu as we were using just Ubuntu but (no offense) but maintaining debian seems to be a little bit easy.
[06:12] <wgrant> Howso?
[06:13] <mRMans> like when I got the job and looked at servers and embeded systems there was no "common theme" example some were raring some were lucid
[06:13] <mRMans> lots of upgrades
[06:13] <wgrant> Anybody distributing a system with a non-LTS release is probably wrong :)
[06:13] <wgrant> Unfortunately many ARM vendors do that :(
[06:14] <mRMans> everything is now trusty that was once whatever which is nice.  But Have spun up my own armhf debian jessie and wheezy
[06:14] <mRMans> Your telling me ROTFLMAO
[06:14] <mRMans> would also like to automate building img also
[06:14] <mRMans> in due time
[06:16] <mRMans> but just tring to look at all the options that are out there. Looked at suse builder that mer uses and what not. Which is nice.  But would like to take all of this put it together and see what comes out of it
[06:17] <mRMans> in other words we make a lot of armhf img per week but everytime I upgrade say a simple bash script package I have to upload to builder wait for cron to run.  or every time I make a IMG .... Now that is a mess
[06:18] <mRMans> maybe I should make some sorta tool (qt or gtk ) that is used to do diff's and what not to update the img
[06:18] <mRMans> not sure how to make all that automated.


[00:34] <guiverc_d> If I `ubuntu-bug evince`to report an issue, apport window appears ("Collecting..") then "Send problem report to devs" (with details) with send/don't-send, but on send it closes and nothing appears to be sent..  (not via my https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/ceaac5c412433...  --- am i missing something?  18.10, i've rebooted but same, bug reported on community.ubuntu.com, I also get apparmor="DENIED" (in dmesg) but I can't
[00:34] <guiverc_d> report with ubuntu-bug


[00:41] <benonsoftware> tsimonq2: (Speaking as my own personal opinion) I belive that UY has ran its course and currently is no longer needed. At the moment it's no longer a feasible for a project such as this, LoCos and local LUGs are a better idea.
[00:42] <benonsoftware> and just the defining the term 'youth'. Where I volunteer (youth organisation) we define youth as people between the ages of 12-24. :)
[03:04] <tsimonq2> benonsoftware: I believe that it still has potential. Let me know if you want to transfer it :)
[03:04] <benonsoftware> tsimonq2: Do you have any plans or ideas?
[03:23] <tsimonq2> To expand it and to make it a welcome place for the youth to get directed where they need to go in terms of either using Ubuntu or helping make it a better operating system.
[03:25] <benonsoftware> Well yes, that is the aim of it. But do you know how or what can happen to make that happen? Because I personally think that there are better groups and programs for that now targetted at youth.
[03:27] <tsimonq2> Name some then...
[03:28] <benonsoftware> Local LUGs, hackgroups, LoCos, etc.
[03:28] <benonsoftware> It doesn't just have to be an online group.
[03:45] <tsimonq2> Well yes, but isn't this it's only goal?
[03:45] <Mikaela> hackgroups are often also known as hacklabs (Finland) or hackerspaces. I haven't felt very involved in lUG or LoCo.
[03:45] <Mikaela> morning
[03:45] <tsimonq2> Evening...
[03:47] <tsimonq2> And so I am saying, benonsoftware, that a group like this shuld exist and it should grow large enough that any youth who wants to use Ubuntu and who wants to help make Ubuntu better can do so...
[03:47] <tsimonq2> *sould
[03:47] <tsimonq2> OMG
[03:47] <tsimonq2> *should
[03:47] <tsimonq2> there we go
[03:48] <Mikaela> oh and the nearest hacklab was quite unfriendly and not inclusive for diversity on their offtopic channel and hacklabs shared channel has op who starts attacking you if you tell about something being wrong.
[03:48] <Mikaela> I think I agree with benonsoftware though.
[03:50] <benonsoftware> tsimonq2: I hear what you're saying and think it would be amazing. But there would be a constant cycle of nothing happening, someone trying to do something but it not working out too great, and this just repeating.
[03:52] <tsimonq2> Fine...
[03:52] <tsimonq2> Then let's make it permenently shut down so someone like me doesn't try to do this again...
[03:53] <tsimonq2> benonsoftware
[04:01] <benonsoftware> tsimonq2: I don't mean to discourage you or anything but yeah. wrt shutting it down, I'll see about that this week or next
[04:12] <tsimonq2> k


[08:28] <head_victim> jbicha: bug 867893 is a bit odd, I just went to the page and it's allowing edits fine
[08:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 867893 in ubuntu-docs "A minor detail in wiki, but i cannot edit :(" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/867893
[08:30] <jbicha> right, it works for me, I didn't know if there was a different access level or something
[08:31] <head_victim> Worth making it affect ubuntu-website and having someone from there look into it?
[14:23] <manjul> Greetings everybody... This is my first time venturing on here... I am trying to make some humble efforts towards transitioning the Ubuntu Community Documentation from the old theme to the new theme
[14:24] <manjul> I have obtained the ubuntu-docs oneiric branch from Launchpad, and am first trying to generate the static html...
[14:24] <manjul> May I implore somebody to guide me as I go through it? I realize this would never get done by me unless I just sit down and do it whilst I do my other stuff
[14:25] <manjul> To start with - I have no idea how to generate the static html (I was under the impression that one needs to make the package to do so, but the legendary mdke clarified that this was not the case)
[14:35] <manjul> Moreover, after using autotools to create the Makefile, I get an error in Make
[14:37] <Atamira> hi manjul
[14:37] <Atamira> you would be better off emailing the mailing list for answer to your queries
[14:38] <Atamira> or you might be incredibly lucky to actually get someone who can answer your question whos alert in here
[14:38] <manjul> Heh thanks... I just thought it would be much faster if I did it in realtime... I realize everybody, especially mdke, is busy with the release of Oneiric
[14:39] <Atamira> it generally is faster heh. just gotta hope someone is actually present on here for that tho
[14:41] <manjul> Yeah... I guess I'll just hang around myself as well :) Thanks for responding though!
[14:41] <manjul> I've been trying to balance this with my research work, and the only solution is to try to do them side-by-side
[14:50] <manjul> Be back later :)
[14:55] <manjul> Aha... I see that the legendary mdke is himself here
[20:12] <mdke> jbicha: I assume 11.10.4 was never uploaded from what Launchpad is telling me, correct?
[20:21] <jbicha> mdke: you uploaded it yesterday though, right?
[20:22] <jbicha> oh, never mind, that was 11.10.3
[20:22] <jbicha> no, I never uploaded 11.10.4 nor was it sponsored in
[20:24] <jbicha> and 11.10.3 was 2 weeks ago
[20:26] <mdke> fine, it's going in today hopefully
[20:26] <mdke> jbicha: if you have any bugs or sponsor requests open to do it, please close em
[20:27] <jbicha> I was only looking for a sponsor the day I tagged it but then you said you would upload it
[20:28] <jbicha> there's one major screenshot that we need to do something with though
[20:28] <mdke> can you do it now?
[20:28] <jbicha> the first one on help:ubuntu-help/unity-introduction
[20:29] <jbicha> if I do it, I'd probably just replace it with a generic desktop without labels
[20:30] <jbicha> if j1mc or someone wants labels then they can do it (?)
[20:30]  * mdke nods
[20:30] <mdke> I don't really mind.
[20:30] <mdke> disadvantage of the labels is that they are very unlikely to get translated
[20:30] <mdke> we haven't had any screenshot translations yet
[20:31] <mdke> damn
[20:31] <mdke> the package won't build
[20:31] <jbicha> the translators may not know how to do the screenshots
[20:32] <mdke> we have too many help files :/
[20:42] <mdke> jbicha: what do you think re the screenshot? If you can do one now, I'm happy to have no labels
[20:42] <mdke> otherwise i'll upload
[20:43] <jbicha> mdke: just pushed an updated screenshot
[20:43] <mdke> legend, thanks
[20:45] <mdke> jbicha: uploading. Thanks again for your great work this cycle


[09:30] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:19] <amichair_> hi, I just did an upgrade (got new kernel and kde), it got stuck at one point for a few minutes so I pressed ctrl-c, it didn't help but I kept on waiting and eventually it continued until "Processing triggers for menu ..." and then said "W: Operation was interrupted before it could finish". How can I tell now what's missing and how to continue it?
[10:25] <amichair_> "sudo dpkg --configure -a" doesn't do anything, so I'll chance a restart...
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:47] <yong_> When I install a new software, which is the better way? Should I comile from source or use the binay from the kubuntu release?
[11:51] <tsimpson> prefer software from the repositories where possible
[12:10] <yong_> thank you! <tsimpson>
[12:55] <buer> Hi anyone has an idea why ubuntu would boot to failsafe X when there is working xorg.conf
[13:32] <miraiE> any clue when KDE use Qt5?
[13:33] <BluesKaj> miraiE, there are experimental ppas for Qt5 , but it's not ready for prime time yet and no clue when it becomes default
[13:47] <Guest20355> как ник сменить?
[13:48] <miraiE_> what's that Guest20355?
[13:48] <Guest20355> how can I change nickname?
[13:48]  * Guest20355 dislike his nick :(
[13:49] <lordievader> !ru | Guest20355
[13:49] <lordievader> Guest20355: Also /nick <new-nick>
[13:49]  * Guest20355 changed nick?
[15:38] <Rish_> How to take a sceenshot?
[15:38] <Rish_> in kubuntu 12.04 LTS
[15:41] <BernhardS> Rish_: press the print key ( http://www.addintools.com/documents/others/images/prints.png)
[15:43] <BernhardS> or run "ksnapshot" directly
[17:13] <Rish_> how to install libgit2 on kubuntu
[17:18] <genii> Rish_: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libgit2-0
[17:19] <Rish_> genii: unable to locate package libgit2-0
[17:19] <Rish_> ?
[17:19] <genii> !info libgit2-0
[17:20] <genii> Rish_: What version of Kubuntu are you using?
[17:20] <Rish_> 12.04
[17:20] <Rish_> LTS
[17:20] <genii> !info libgit2-0 precise
[17:20] <genii> Rish_: Looks like it hasn't been backported yet
[17:21] <Rish_> it wont work on my machine?
[17:22] <Rish_> genii: so should i use 13.10 for libgit2?
[17:22] <genii> Rish_: Perhaps wait until 14.04 is in release, and then upgrade from 12.04 -> 14.04
[17:22] <Rish_> okay
[17:23] <Rish_> thanks for help
[17:23] <genii> There may be some PPA, I haven't yet looked
[17:23] <Rish_> genii: if possible can you check it?
[17:26] <genii> Rish_: It looks like https://launchpad.net/~xav0989/+archive/libgit2 has a 12.04 version, just named libgit2. It seems somewhat older, last update was April 2013 but it may work for what you need.
[17:27] <genii> Rish_: As always, the standard disclaimer that PPAs may break your box, we're not responsible, etc etc, use at your own risk, and so on
[17:27] <Rish_> genii: ok'
[17:27] <Rish_> genii: thanks for help
[17:29] <Rish_> genii: sorry i am a bit new to this....how should i install it?
[17:33] <genii> Rish_: I normally use command-line. So in this case you need to add the ppa with: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xav0989/libgit2     and then: sudo apt-get update         and then: sudo apt-get install libgit2
[17:34] <genii> Rish_: If it can't find the program "add-apt-repository" then do first:  sudo apt-get install python-software-properties
[17:35]  * genii goes and forages for lunch
[17:37] <Rish_> genii: i did sudo apt-get install libgit2-dev
[17:37] <Rish_> and it worked
[17:38] <genii> Rish_: The -dev ones are for if you want to compile things that need those libraries, usually not required
[17:38]  * genii goes back to foraging
[17:39] <Rish_> genii: ya i wanted that..thanks a lot for help
[19:01] <lonejack> hi to all, would like to pass kubuntu from ubuntu classic 12.04(on a new installation i7 based). On my actual PC I use: cryptkeeper, chrome, keepassX, sw written in java. Can I be sure of the compaibility on these sw on Kubuntu?
[19:01] <lonejack> Any advices?
[19:02] <lordievader> lonejack: Make a live-usb and try it out, I'd say.
[19:03] <lonejack> on a i7, what ver.? 64bit?
[19:15] <lordievader> lonejack: Yes.
[19:18] <lonejack> lordievader, thank you
[22:58] <amigamagic> hi guys, I have a problem with kubuntu 13.10
[22:59] <amigamagic> I installed kubuntu on a test pc, I played a little with its desktop (KDE is very different from every thing I've ever seen... Different from OSX, from Windows, from Gnome...) and after I was satisfied with its settings, installed Firefox, Chromium and Skype, I restart the machine for some updates and... Now whenever I restart the PC, after the login the screen is black...
[23:00] <amigamagic> I see the mouse and I can do ALT+F2 to bring up the window to write some command
[23:00] <amigamagic> but there is no panel, no desktop, no icons
[23:00] <amigamagic> I can launch the terminal, and each program I want, but only with ALT+F2
[23:01] <amigamagic> if I login with the "guest" user it works, but if I login with the first default user I created, it will display only a black desktop without nothing on it
[23:01] <amigamagic> what could it be?
[23:07] <amigamagic> no one can help me?


[13:55] <balloons> good day everyone
[14:00] <flocculant> balloons !!!!!!!!!!!
[14:00] <flocculant> wb :)
[14:01] <balloons> flocculant, ty
[14:01] <flocculant> welcome :)
[14:01] <balloons> was a bit of a stressful weekend. It's nice to have that all in the past
[14:02] <flocculant> oh dear :(
[14:28] <dkessel> good day balloons :)
[14:28] <brendand> dobey, i tried your pastebin from friday and the online-accounts-ui doesn't seem to pick up the testability variable when launching
[14:30] <dobey> brendand: hmm, it should. weird that it wouldn't even.
[14:30] <dobey> can you verify via /proc/<pid>/environ ?
[19:05] <pvsenan> balloons, Hi
[19:05] <balloons> hello pvsenan!
[19:07] <pvsenan> balloons, Any help needed in writing autopilot tests ?
[19:26] <balloons> pvsenan, always :-) The core apps developers are always looking for some help
[19:27] <balloons> at the moment, the clock app developers in particular need help in getting there current testsuite to work
[19:27] <balloons> it broke when they migrated to the new components
[19:28] <pvsenan> balloons, great. I think I can help :)
[19:28] <balloons> bzr branch lp:ubuntu-clock-app
[19:29] <balloons> pvsenan, and I can introduce you to the developers, who can help you out and point out things as needed
[19:29] <pvsenan> balloons, thats great.. I just did clean Install of 15.10 beta 2
[19:30] <balloons> pvsenan, can you pm me your mail again, I'm away from my normal pc. I'll send the intro mail and cc you :-)
[19:30] <balloons> or you can ping them yourself if you wish. Essentially all the tests fail, and making any of them work would be excelelnt
[19:31] <balloons> so it's very straightforward work ;-)
[19:36] <balloons> pvsenan, I can help you out on it if you want to start right now even; but basically you'll need to find out what has changed with the objects to update the tests
[19:37] <pvsenan> balloons, I need to setup things first. Could you please help me in doing that
[19:38] <balloons> pvsenan, certainly
[19:45] <balloons> pvsenan, do you have autopilot installed or ?
[19:45] <pvsenan> balloons, No I have a fresh ubuntu installation now
[19:45] <balloons> pvsenan, ok, so start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/DevelopmentToolsSetup
[19:45] <pvsenan> balloons, have to start from scratch
[19:46] <balloons> pvsenan, once that's all done, install python3-autopilot
[19:46] <balloons> that should get you all setu
[19:52] <pvsenan> balloons, should I need qt-qml specific libraries ?
[19:55] <balloons> pvsenan, ahh yes.
[19:55] <balloons> pvsenan, also install the ubuntu-sdk metapackage
[19:55] <balloons> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk
[20:02] <balloons> pvsenan, that will install 99% of the qml libraries you need to work on core apps, and the SDK
[20:19] <balloons> flocculant, knome you see this? https://icebergs.io/
[20:20] <knome> huh
[20:20] <knome> i can see their styling fails on my browser
[20:20] <knome> white text on white background
[20:23] <balloons> interesting they chose xfce
[20:26] <pvsenan> balloons, I've installed everything
[20:47] <flocculant> balloons: seems logical to me ;)
[20:48] <knome> yeah...
[20:59] <flocculant> nuclearbob: thats \o/ news then :)
[20:59] <nuclearbob> flocculant: yep. jibel helped me crack the job autogeneration, but I need to restart jenkins for the publishing plugin to work right, and existing jobs are running, so I'll have to do that later
[21:00] <flocculant> :)
[21:01] <flocculant> just seeing "are running" in a sentence is good


[12:26] <Lord_Athur> mhz_design,
[12:26] <Lord_Athur> me dices
[12:26] <Lord_Athur> cuando me meto al LP chile
[12:45] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:20] <deang> Heya...   Can you recommend a fun text based adventure for a 3rd grader?
[01:21] <Lord_Athur> mhz_dinner,
[04:27] <mhz> re
[07:19] <JaneW> pong to whoever pinged me during the night....
[08:12] <highvoltage> JaneW: i didn't ping you, but good morning anyway
[08:12] <JaneW> highvoltage: hello
[08:12] <highvoltage> ok, need to leave for mitchells plain again. bye!
[08:12] <JaneW> highvoltage: I just had a blue edubuntu tab, and it was too far up to scroll back to.
[08:12] <JaneW> bye then...
[08:27] <Oge_> is any way to fix my bad: bad configuration in /etc/sudoers, sudo not working and no root passwd.
[08:28] <Oge_> /etc/sudoers -r--r-----  root root
[08:28] <Oge_> when try to "sudo vi /etc/passwd", gives my error for sudo configuration file
[09:57] <jsgotangco> hey all
[09:59] <juliux> hi jsgotangco
[10:01] <jsgotangco> hey juliux
[12:36] <JaneW> ogra: ping
[12:38] <JaneW> ogra: see that edubuntu will be published on a DVD with aPolish versio n of wikipedia :))
[12:51] <ogra> JaneW, yay
[12:52] <JaneW> :)
[01:02] <spacey> morning
[01:02] <ogra> hi
[01:12] <spacey> any exciting news?: )
[03:07] <Lord_Athur> hi
[03:07] <Lord_Athur> ogra,
[03:07] <ogra> hi
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> I'm checking the http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSoftwareList page for the spanish compatibility
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> if a program is only in english, what do I put?
[03:08] <ogra> which one ?
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> or I have to leave it.
[03:09] <Lord_Athur> khelpcenter for example
[03:09] <Lord_Athur> is only in english
[03:09] <ogra> khelpcenter is totally irrelevant, i told that to mhz already ...
[03:09] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[03:09] <ogra> its only there to make the other kde packages work ... it shouldnt be on this list at all
[03:10] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[03:10] <Lord_Athur> but there are other applications
[03:10] <Lord_Athur> like games
[03:10] <Lord_Athur> that are only in english
[03:10] <Lord_Athur> I should I put in these applications?
[03:11] <ogra> you could file bugs and check if there are aready translations in rosetta for the app ..
[03:11] <ogra> note that glife is dropped now ...
[03:11] <ogra> so dont care for it ...
[03:12] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[03:12] <Lord_Athur> I'll wait to mhz
[03:12] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:12] <Lord_Athur> for tell to him the last reasons
[03:13] <Lord_Athur> :P
[03:13] <Lord_Athur> bye
[03:13] <Lord_Athur> bye ogra
[03:25] <Lord_Athur> re hi
[03:25] <Lord_Athur> :P
[03:31] <Lord_Athur> ogra,
[03:31] <ogra> yup
[03:31] <Lord_Athur> what do you think about the idea
[03:32] <Lord_Athur> of make edubuntu with other graphical enviroment?
[03:32] <ogra> feel free to do it
[03:33] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[03:33] <Lord_Athur> but what do you think?
[03:33] <ogra> sure, why not ...
[03:33] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:34] <Lord_Athur> I think maybe xubuntu and edubuntu can be only one
[03:34] <Lord_Athur> edubuntu with Cfce
[03:34] <Lord_Athur> not
[03:34] <Lord_Athur> XFce
[03:34] <Lord_Athur> :P
[03:35] <ogra> sure, build it ...
[03:35] <Lord_Athur> :P
[03:35] <Lord_Athur> jajjaa
[03:35] <Lord_Athur> I'm just learning programming with python
[03:36] <ogra> you dont need to program at all for that ... there is a Install CD Customization howto on the wiki somewhere ... read it ;)
[03:36] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[04:17] <mhz> hi
[04:46] <spacey> think you can play movies over thin client (not ssh but XDMCP)?
[04:47] <ogra> you can do that with ssh as well if you select the sdlsink ... but its choppy
[04:48] <spacey> but without SSH still choppy?
[04:48] <ogra> no idea, i dont use xdmcp
[04:49] <ogra> since it requirea a lot of changes to X to make it work in ubuntu
[04:50] <spacey> i thought you could just switch on the XDMCP thingy in gdm settings
[04:51] <ogra> you also have to enable X to operate in tcp mode ...
[04:51] <ogra> did you notice that xhost+ doesnt work ?
[04:51] <spacey> ok true
[04:51] <spacey> but thats just one flag
[04:51] <spacey> xhost+ ?
[04:51] <ogra> sure, but since we'll never support it, i dont care about it
[04:51] <spacey> fair enough ;)
[04:52] <spacey> but just looking at my home setup now, really pissed, my file server died on my
[04:52] <spacey> everytime i want to get to work something vital dies here
[04:53] <ogra> annoying
[04:54] <spacey> today all my maxtor hd's seem to die, but if i scan them on another pc they report they are ok, so maybe its the ide controller. anyway i don't get any real work done, but i hope i can get some content filtering stuff on the edubuntu wiki end this week/beginning next week.
[04:55] <ogra> i did already some work on willow
[04:56] <ogra> have a look at it, it does bayesian filtering without the need for url/pattern lists
[04:56] <ogra> and its easy to add a pygtk gui to it
[04:56] <spacey> sounds great
[04:56] <spacey> i should look into that
[04:57] <ogra> i'll put that up somewhere i most likely wont have the time to finish it for dapper ...
[04:58] <ogra> so if you like to take over, feel free ... its plain python, so it should be easy to get it to main (and on the CD)
[04:58] <spacey> yeah
[04:58] <spacey> i'll look into it
[04:58] <spacey> at let you know, sounds doable
[04:59] <ogra> the packaging of the pory itself might bbe a bit tricky, it needs a initscript and should have a mode for transparent proxying ...
[04:59] <spacey> what kind of work did you do? gui thingy?
[04:59] <ogra> i played with a gui, yes
[04:59] <ogra> but its only the frontend so far, no functionallity yet
[04:59] <spacey> i should be able to manage that,
[04:59] <spacey> ok
[05:00] <spacey> thats not a problem
[05:00] <ogra> willow itself has a webinterface i'd like to copy for the gtk gui ...
[05:00] <spacey> if you can throw it online somewhere
[05:00] <ogra> (the backend stuff)
[05:00] <spacey> i'll look into it
[05:00] <ogra> will do during the evening ... now i have to care for merge stuff first ...
[05:00] <spacey> i hope this week, probably next week
[05:00] <spacey> sure
[05:00] <ogra> fine :)
[05:00] <spacey> take your time ;)
[05:01] <ogra> thanks for the offer, i really appreciate it :)
[05:01] <spacey> no problem
[05:01] <spacey> i need it myself
[05:01] <spacey> and i need some stuff for my school assignment ;)
[05:01] <spacey> remember ;)
[05:02] <ogra> ok, preparing for the next crash .... brb
[05:16] <lucasvo> would anybody be intersted in a edubuntu working with openmosix? would anybody want to help?
[05:17] <lucasvo> ogra: btw, is there any chance to include it into edubuntu if it is working properly?
[05:17] <ogra> nope
[05:18] <ogra> and we talked about 3 times about it already i think
[05:18] <ogra> we dont include kernel patches that wont get accepted upstream
[05:19] <ogra> so you would have to maintain a separate kernel
[05:19] <ogra> (outside of ubuntu)
[05:19] <ogra> which makes it impossible to include it in edubuntu
[05:20] <ogra> but feel free to maintain a derivative ...
[05:21] <ogra> its not that hard .... see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo
[05:22] <mhz> lucasvo: why openmosix?
[05:31] <lucasvo> mhz: because it enables you to share RAM/CPU/Swap of ltsp-clients with server
[05:32] <ogra> with the cost of network speed ...
[05:32] <mhz> lucasvo: so you want clustering?
[05:32] <lucasvo> ogra: it isn't a must
[05:32] <lucasvo> mhz: yes
[05:32] <mhz> lucasvo: what would be the bottlenecks of it?
[05:32] <lucasvo> ogra: I don't have any problems with network speed, others just don't have to load the module
[05:33] <ogra> sure, but its still impossible ...
[05:33] <lucasvo> mhz: 1Gbit etherent :D
[05:33] <lucasvo> ogra: techinically or because people don't want it?
[05:33] <ogra> arent there clustering solutions that might get included upstream ?
[05:33] <ogra> policy wise
[05:33] <lucasvo> ogra: I don't know
[05:34] <ogra> see my comment above
[05:34] <lucasvo> ogra: I just know that mosix and debian with ltsp works well
[05:34] <ogra> with the new ltsp ?
[05:34] <ogra> (note that debian switches to our implementation)
[05:34] <lucasvo> ogra: no
[05:35] <lucasvo> ogra: but what is different?
[05:35] <ogra> ssh transport for example ...
[05:35] <ogra> but that shouldnt affect clustering indeed
[05:35] <lucasvo> ogra: exactly
[05:36] <ogra> the thing is that we never will have support for openmosix in ubuntu ... so its no option at all
[05:36] <ogra> as long as linus disagrees with the patches
[05:37] <lucasvo> ogra: hm
[05:38] <lucasvo> ogra:  I will look for sth. else
[05:38] <ogra> aks the kernel team what they suggest ...
[05:38] <ogra> (#ubuntu-kernel)
[05:38] <lucasvo> ogra: you do ? or should I ?
[05:39] <ogra> i dont care about clustering, i'm focused on dapper ...
[05:39] <ogra> (where no major changes are allowed to happen anyway)
[05:39] <mhz> ogra: so if lucasvo idea is in the scope of the supported clustering packages by ubuntu, tehn we'd be ok?
[05:39] <lucasvo> ogra: you said aks-> it could mean ogra asks or Ask!
[05:40] <ogra> i meant ask :)
[05:40] <ogra> mhz, if we have a clustering solution in ubuntu we can use it in edubuntu, sure
[05:40] <mhz> ok
[05:41] <ogra> i want to support clusterfs in dapper+1 but thats totally unrelated to clustering as lucasvo wants it
[05:41] <lucasvo> ogra: clusterfs is distributed fs?
[05:41] <ogra> yes
[05:41] <ogra> we already support ocfs2
[05:42] <ogra> (also called gfs)
[05:44] <mhz> lucasvo: iirc there's a package in ubuntu that lets you share small HD's in a local net as if it were huge HD. I can't remember the name now, thoug. It was something like 'leonardo' maybe.
[05:45] <ogra> its ocfs2 :)
[05:45] <mhz> oh, really?
[05:45] <mhz> hehehe
[05:45] <ogra> but you dont want that without a very powerful net and server ... additionally you will need at least 3 servers to run it safely
[05:46] <mhz> ogra: i dont wanna cray about this, but neither mako nor jdub have answered my emails yet. :)
[05:46] <mhz> cry
[05:46] <mhz> can i kick them instead of pinging them :D
[05:46] <ogra> ... mako is very busy with his job with the 100$ laptop ...
[05:47] <mhz> oh
[05:47] <mhz> what job about that?
[05:47] <ogra> he works for negroponte on this 100$ laptop for children
[05:47] <ogra> at MIT
[05:48] <ogra> duno what he's doing exactly there
[05:48] <mhz> ok
[05:50] <Lord_Athur> hi
[05:50] <Lord_Athur> mhz,
[05:50] <mhz> Lord_Athur: wb
[05:50] <Lord_Athur> "WB"=?
[05:50] <Lord_Athur> mhz,
[05:51] <Lord_Athur> descargu el source de gaim
[05:51] <Lord_Athur> ahora lo estoy configurando
[05:51] <mhz> Lord_Athur: still have not received solution from launchpad team. However, we could try you join the 2 teams in LP and see what happens
[05:51] <Lord_Athur> pero despues como lo instalo?
[05:51] <mhz> Lord_Athur: para que lo descargas?
[05:51] <mhz> Lord_Athur: wb =welcome back
[05:52] <Lord_Athur> ok
[05:52] <mhz> Lord_Athur: why not install GAIM via synaptic?
[05:52] <Lord_Athur> para que se optimize
[05:52] <Lord_Athur> osea el reinaldo me dio la idea
[05:52] <Lord_Athur> :P
[05:52] <Lord_Athur> jajjaa
[05:52] <Lord_Athur> osea yo tuve la idea
[05:52] <Lord_Athur> pero como lo hago
[05:52] <Lord_Athur> make q>?
[05:53] <mhz> reinaldo le gusta todo compilado y optimizado, lo cual me parece bien, pero si no lo has hecho nunca... yo lo haria con alguien al lado :)
[05:53] <Lord_Athur> jajjaa
[05:53] <Lord_Athur> hechando a perder se aprende
[05:53] <Lord_Athur> :S
[05:53] <Lord_Athur> dime como uso el cdigo make
[05:53] <Lord_Athur> para fabricar el programa
[05:53] <Lord_Athur> por favor
[05:54] <mhz> ogra: what are the step? make configure && make install? for gaim or any compiltion process?
[05:54] <ogra> why would you want that ?
[05:54] <mhz> Lord_Athur: no me acuerdo... it's been almost 3 years since i compiled something
[05:54] <Lord_Athur> jajaja
[05:54] <Lord_Athur> ok
[05:55] <mhz> ogra: me? nope. Lord_Athur is learning compilation of sources
[05:56] <Lord_Athur> ogra, do you know?
[05:56] <ogra> configure
[05:56] <ogra> make
[05:56] <ogra> make install
[05:56] <Lord_Athur> mhz, te respond el mensaje de la lista
[05:56] <Lord_Athur> ok
[05:56] <Lord_Athur> ogra, I did configure
[05:57] <ogra> but you really dont want that, it clutters your system with files you might not be able to remove...
[05:57] <Lord_Athur> but If I format the HD?
[05:58] <ogra> juliux, the right way is to enter motu and learn packaging ;)
[05:58] <juliux> ogra, i know
[05:58] <ogra> Lord_Athur, sure, thats might help
[05:59] <Lord_Athur> ok
[05:59] <Lord_Athur> then
[05:59] <ogra> juliux, never ever use chackinstall if you want a sane system
[05:59] <Lord_Athur> gime the code (or way) to use the make code
[05:59] <juliux> ogra, should i use dh_make
[05:59] <Lord_Athur> {{
[05:59] <ogra> juliux, rather, yes
[06:00] <Lord_Athur> mhz,
[06:00] <mhz> si
[06:00] <Lord_Athur> conoces algn enlace a una gua o algo?
[06:00] <Lord_Athur> en google
[06:00] <Lord_Athur> no supe buscar (por que no s a que cdigo o cosa hacer referencia)
[06:01] <ogra> juliux, checkinstall doesnt care about dependencys ... its fine for a 10min test of some software, but nothing to make packages
[06:01] <mhz> Lord_Athur: let me see
[06:01] <ogra> and dh_make requires that you know about dependencys ...
[06:01] <juliux> ogra, ok
[06:03] <spacey> Lord_Athur, maybe this is not the optimal place for learning how to compile programs ;)
[06:03] <Lord_Athur> hte
[06:03] <Lord_Athur> then, what is it?
[06:03] <Lord_Athur> other channel?
[06:03] <ogra> #ubuntu-motu would be better, yes
[06:03] <spacey> yup and maybe some online howto's
[06:03] <ogra> at least for packaging ...
[06:04] <mhz> Lord_Athur: http://linexdebs.gnulinex.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1
[06:04] <spacey> or maybe ubuntu spanish loco channel, for spanish language support
[06:04] <spacey> i guess #ubuntu-es
[06:04] <mhz> Lord_Athur: they teach you step by step from pag. 2
[06:04] <mhz> spacey: indeed
[06:05] <mhz> Lord_Athur: aslo, did you look up in the wiki?
[06:05] <mhz> also
[06:05] <Lord_Athur> yes
[06:06] <Lord_Athur> but i did not find any references
[06:06] <Lord_Athur> o como se escriba
[06:06] <Lord_Athur> xD
[06:06] <mhz> ok, te aseguro que el de linex te encantara
[06:06] <mhz> Lord_Athur: it was excellent written
[06:06] <ogra> Lord_Athur, every source package has a file called INSTALL normally, read this file :)
[06:07] <mhz> Lord_Athur: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/CompileMplayerHowto
[06:07] <Lord_Athur> :p
[06:07] <mhz> Lord_Athur: 'compile' is the verb you need
[06:08] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[06:08] <Lord_Athur> lo busqu por todo menos eso
[06:08] <mhz> hehehe, i thought so
[06:09] <mhz> Lord_Athur: but the wiki url I pasted is not good for your learning
[06:09] <Lord_Athur>
[06:09] <mhz> the one from google about linexdebs is excellent!
[06:09] <Lord_Athur> :)
[06:09] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[06:11] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: and finally, if you wanna know a bit more about compilers ... http://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallingCompilers
[06:11] <Lord_Athur> someone give me the code
[06:11] <Lord_Athur> gave me the code
[06:11] <Lord_Athur> :)
[06:11] <ogra> daniel  ...
[06:11] <Lord_Athur> I've got any memory problems
[06:11] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: a que te refieres?
[06:11] <ogra> (dolbach)
[06:11] <Lord_Athur> I'll be back
[06:11] <Lord_Athur> a?
[06:12] <Lord_Athur> mhz_lunch,  mi tarro esta colapsando
[06:12] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: a que te refieres con "give me the code"?
[06:12] <Lord_Athur> que alguien ya me dio el cdigo
[06:12] <Lord_Athur> es gave me
[06:12] <mhz_lunch> que codigo?
[06:12] <Lord_Athur> me equivoq
[06:12] <Lord_Athur> ./configure && make && make install
[06:12] <Lord_Athur> eso hice
[06:12] <mhz_lunch> ahhh, eso es comando
[06:12] <Lord_Athur> apok
[06:13] <mhz_lunch> np
[06:13] <mhz_lunch> command line
[06:13] <mhz_lunch> or just command
[06:13] <Lord_Athur> ya puse la linea de comandos, vi gaim y se ve igual
[06:13] <Lord_Athur> xD
[06:13] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: por que colapsa tu tarro?
[06:13] <Lord_Athur> pocos recursos
[06:14] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: what hardware do you have?
[06:14] <Lord_Athur> 500 prossesor
[06:14] <Lord_Athur> 128 RAM
[06:14] <Lord_Athur> 10g in HD
[06:14] <mhz_lunch> excellent!
[06:14] <Lord_Athur>
[06:14] <mhz_lunch> I have same, but more RAM
[06:14] <Lord_Athur> jajjaa
[06:14] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: what desktop are you using?
[06:14] <mhz_lunch> GNOME?>
[06:14] <mhz_lunch> KDE?
[06:15] <mhz_lunch> flusxbox?
[06:15] <mhz_lunch> fluxbox
[06:15] <Lord_Athur> gnome
[06:16] <spacey> can you move the spanish talk to #ubuntu-es? its not really convienant to talk here
[06:16] <spacey> since this is edubuntu specific and we don't speak spanish ;/
[06:16] <Lord_Athur> why?
[06:16] <Lord_Athur> &&
[06:17] <Lord_Athur> mhz_lunch, este es el loko q siempre webea cuando hablamos en espaol
[06:17] <Lord_Athur> spacey, don't worry
[06:17] <ogra> because nobody understands what youre saying
[06:17] <ogra> :)
[06:17] <Lord_Athur> if I need to talk something important, I'll do it in English
[06:18] <spacey> but but its better to keep it edubuntu specific here, is there a problem for discussing it in #ubuntu-es?
[06:18] <Lord_Athur>
[06:18] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: no, let's go to query for non edubuntu stuff
[06:18] <juliux> mhz_lunch, how far are you with the dvd labels?
[06:18] <Lord_Athur> mhz_lunch, but we cannot talk by query
[06:19] <mhz_lunch> not far at all, just can't remeber where the color specifications are :(
[06:19] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: oh, yes
[06:19] <ogra> Lord_Athur, whats the problem with querys ?
[06:19] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: then I can login to #ubuntu-es
[06:19] <mhz_lunch> if you need me
[06:19] <Lord_Athur> ok
[06:19] <ogra> or open #edubuntu-es ;)
[06:20] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[06:20] <Lord_Athur> yes your're right
[06:20] <Lord_Athur> bye
[06:20] <mhz_lunch> ogra: he sees me and I dont see him or the other way around after a couple of minutes
[06:21] <ogra> mhz_lunch, in ubntu-es ?
[06:21] <mhz_lunch> ogra: nope, that problem happened yesterday here
[06:21] <ogra> you both need to be registered
[06:22] <mhz_lunch> ogra: duh!
[06:22] <mhz_lunch> I am registered as mhz not mhz_soemthing
[06:22] <ogra> and indeed you cant change your name randomly
[06:22] <ogra> heh, yes
[06:22] <mhz_lunch> since when?
[06:22] <ogra> 6-7 months ?
[06:23] <ogra> dunno, freenode had a spambot attack... there they started to require you to be registered for /query's
[06:23] <mhz> ogra: * ChanServ removes channel operator status from mhz
[06:24] <mhz> that in #edubuntu-es
[06:24] <mhz> :)
[06:24] <ogra> you can register the channel (dont ask me how)
[06:24] <mhz> heheh
[06:24] <mhz> I wasn't thinking of :D
[06:24] <mhz> lol
[06:25] <mhz> ogra: i do try to ask the minimum things so you can work
[06:25] <mhz> peacefully
[06:25] <ogra> heh
[06:26] <mhz> juliux: so if you could find the proper # color for ubuntu DVD, that'll be cool
[07:34] <lucasvo> mhz: there is a ubuntu dvd?
[07:34] <ogra> sure there is
[07:35] <ogra> (and hopefully a dapper liveCD too next week)
[07:42] <vincenzio> and someday, etherboot!
[07:42] <vincenzio> :D
[07:42] <vincenzio> ogra: I had to undo the change we made to have etherboot work, it was breaking the pxe clients.
[07:43] <ogra> oh, you have a mixed setup ?
[07:45] <vincenzio> I have.
[07:45] <vincenzio> the change didn't get etherboot working, and so I had to go back to at least having pxe work.
[07:45] <vincenzio> it comes down to the img that it boots from.
[08:17] <Lord_Athur> mhz,
[08:17] <Lord_Athur> have you got a jabber account?
[09:13] <lucasvo> what is wrong with the stupid keyboard layout on ltsp client
[09:13] <lucasvo> ?
[09:14] <ogra> did you read the wikipage ?
[09:17] <lucasvo> ogra: yes I did and it didn't work
[09:23] <ogra> lucasvo, you mean setting XKBLAYOUT with your keyboardcode didnt work ?
[09:23] <lucasvo> ogra: no it didn't
[09:23] <ogra> whats your keyboard code ?
[09:23] <lucasvo> ogra:
[09:24] <lucasvo> [Default]
[09:24] <lucasvo>         SERVER             = <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:24] <lucasvo> 	X_HORZSYNC	   = "10-50"
[09:24] <lucasvo> 	X_VERTREFRESH	   = "10-60"
[09:24] <lucasvo> 	XKBLAYOUT          = "che"
[09:24] <ogra> whats che ?
[09:24] <lucasvo> ogra: swiss international
[09:24] <ogra> does ch work ?
[09:24] <lucasvo> ogra: as it is shown on my gnome panel applet
[09:25] <ogra> that might not be the code X uses ...
[09:27] <blue-frog> ch more likely indeed
[09:42] <lucasvo> blue-frog: so why does it say che?
[09:47] <blue-frog> could be a typo in the gui or as ogra said a code used by the gui, but for me ch is international for swiss
[09:48] <ogra> for me too ...
[09:48] <ogra> i didnt know about che at all
[09:50] <Lord_Athur> ogra, do you know to program in glade?
[09:50] <ogra> Lord_Athur, yup
[09:51] <Lord_Athur> what does the word yup mean?
[09:51] <ogra> yes
[09:51] <Lord_Athur> ok
[09:52] <Lord_Athur> if I put a button, this button uses all the space in the windows?
[09:53] <ogra> you have to use a hbox or vbox
[10:06] <mhz> hi
[10:06] <mhz> arkan0x: hey!
[10:07] <mhz> juliux: DVD uploaded
[10:07] <arkan0x> mhz,entre solo para avisar algo , toy laburando !
[10:07] <juliux> mhz, link?
[10:07] <mhz> chao
[10:07] <mhz> same for CD
[10:07] <arkan0x> mhz, byez
[10:07] <ogra> mhz, see -devel, jdub is around
[10:07] <mhz> cooool
[10:08] <mhz> juliux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuCdLabelAndSlip
[10:14] <mhz> jejejej, ogra is Mr. IRC channels
[10:16] <ogra> i like to know whats going on :)
[10:17] <mhz> ogra: but how do you actually concentrate on so much and keep up the work speed?
[10:18] <mhz> are you 'gifted'?
[10:18] <ogra> i dont chat all the time :)
[10:18] <mhz> (hmm, that reminds me Yagisan's mom-in-law is not good at all)
[10:18] <mhz> ogra: ok, roget that.
[10:18] <mhz> roger
[10:31] <juliux> mhz, txs
[10:31] <juliux> thxs
[10:31] <zdziczek> hey there
[10:32] <zdziczek> i need to load a kernel option "irqpoll" before the machine boots using a PXE CDROM ISO
[10:32] <zdziczek> how can I do that?
[10:33] <zdziczek> the machine starts to boot, but the 8139too driver needs the "irqpoll" option passed in order to not fail
[10:33] <zdziczek> how can i do this
[10:33] <ogra> add it to the kernel commandline in
[10:33] <ogra> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default
[10:34] <ogra> as you would for a normal boot
[10:34] <zdziczek> on the server you mean
[10:34] <ogra> yup
[10:35] <zdziczek> hrmm, interesting
[10:35] <zdziczek> what if only certain clients needed this option, but others didnt?
[10:35] <zdziczek> like say, half my lab
[10:36] <ogra> hmm, thats hard ...
[10:36] <zdziczek> :-(
[10:36] <mhz> juliux: is it useful for you?
[10:36] <mhz> juliux: do you need architecture versions?
[10:36] <juliux> mhz, that would be nice
[10:36] <mhz> juliux: but do yo need it?
[10:37] <juliux> mhz, but i don't know if we will print cds next weekend
[10:37] <zdziczek> ogra, thanks dude
[10:37] <mhz> juliux: let me know then.
[10:37] <zdziczek> got this old 233 Mhz lab kicking!!  thakns to you!!!
[10:37] <juliux> mhz, we will test it next weekend
[10:37] <zdziczek> ogra, :-)
[10:37] <ogra> zdziczek, consider using two servers if you can
[10:37] <ogra> youre welcome
[10:37] <zdziczek> edubntu is great
[10:37] <zdziczek> so clean and polished...fun for kids too
[10:38] <mhz> zdziczek: let us know how it works, please
[10:38] <ogra> thanks :)
[10:38] <mhz> zdziczek: let us know what users think of it, please
[10:40] <mhz> zdziczek: and if you need more performance, please consider using other lighter desktops before complaining about edubuntu :) One teacher already complained this to me, on a 400 MHz Desktop with 128 MB ram ;)
[10:40] <zdziczek> mhz, i definitely will
[10:40] <mhz> yhx
[10:40] <mhz> thx
[10:41] <zdziczek> one thing is the not so glitzy Login Screen
[10:41] <zdziczek> it would be cool to have a nice image, rather than a dull grey screen
[10:42] <ogra> is already solved in the development verson :)
[10:42] <mhz> ogra: do you have such image?
[10:42] <ogra> we have a themeable login screen now ... fullscreen
[10:42] <zdziczek> cool!
[10:43] <zdziczek> mhz, will it be in Dappy?
[10:43] <ogra> mhz, not yet
[10:43] <ogra> yes
[10:43] <mhz> okis
[10:43] <ogra> as well as a bootsplash for the clients etc ...
[10:43] <zdziczek> nice :-)


[20:51] <JinjaNinja> Any reason why my computer volume is all the way up, but Ardour volume isn't responsive to my computer's volume? For instance, I put my computer's master volume on mute, but Ardour isn't effected by it. Is this possibly a groups issue? Or is this just a pulseaudio issue?


[19:12] <rick_h_> hatch: aha, found a left over timer in a test still. Doh!
[19:14] <rick_h_> hatch: https://codereview.appspot.com/8488043 has the drive-by if it helps the tests at all.


  You're in early today!
[13:29] <cr3> fader_: yeah, got bored of sleeping
[13:29] <fader_> cr3: I've never had that happen to me.
[13:32] <cr3> soren: hey dude, I'll start working on that qa-regression-testing integration. I should have an update for you shortly
[13:33] <cr3> soren: I already started during some sessions at uds, so the integration should almost be done
[13:38] <soren> cr3: Coolness.
[13:38] <soren> cr3: How do you run these things?
[13:39] <soren> cr3: You do a fresh install onto some spare hardware, branch the stuff and run some magic command?
[13:39] <soren> or something more clever than that?
[13:41] <cr3> soren: if you mean all those things are automated, yes
[13:41] <soren> cr3: I probably do, yes :)
[13:45] <fagan> anything anyone want me to test in particular?
[13:45] <fagan> (checkbox scripts too)
[13:46] <fagan> ara: anything I should be testing in lucid at the moment?
[13:48] <cr3> soren and fagan: I'm almost done with integrating the qa-regression-testing suite, the challenge will then be to make sure each desired test runs as expected. perhaps you guys can work together once I push my branch
[13:49] <cr3> so many scripts require sudo privileges and yet should not be run as root, that this will present a problem
[13:50] <cr3> crap, some scripts require running as root and others not
[13:51] <cr3> soren: we'll have to extend the scripts under the qa-regression-testing suite to formalize how the scripts should be run
[13:52] <ara> fagan, are you subscribe to lucid uploads mailing list?
[13:52] <fader_> Chuck Norris^W^Wcheckbox is so hard-core it runs with UID -(sizeof(int))
[13:52] <soren> cr3: They want to run as a user who can sudo? Why can't they just run as root?
[13:53]  * fader_ needs more coffee -- that should have been INT_MIN, not sizeof().
[13:54] <cr3> soren: not sure the exact reason, but I've been told by leann and confirmed by sbeattie that some tests must be initiated as a normal user
[13:55] <cr3> soren: so, I've pushed an initial integration to lp:~cr3/checkbox/qrt, look at suites/qa_regression.txt and scripts/qa_regression_suite
[13:56] <cr3> soren: you will mostly be interested in the latter, try running it and it will output test descriptions on how checkobx should run each test
[13:56] <cr3> soren: if you are tight on bandwidth, you should know that it'll branch the qa-regression-testing suite to /tmp/checkbox.qa.regression
[13:57] <cr3> soren: if you already have it branched, you can either create a symlink or pass the -d or --directory option pointing to your copy of the branch
[13:58] <cr3> soren: the next step is making sure that checkbox will invoke the scripts properly, as root or not as root, with proper dependencies or not, etc.
[13:59] <cr3> soren: to do so, we should need to look at the output generated by scripts/qa_regression_suite [OPTION] [SCRIPTS] and make sure we can run it ourselves using the command value in the output
[13:59] <cr3> for example, if I run: ./scripts/qa_regression_suite test-apache2.py
[13:59] <cr3> I get the command: cd /tmp/checkbox.qa.regression/scripts; SUDO_PASSWORD=insecure python test-apache2.py
[13:59] <fagan> ara: hell no my mailbox is hammered enough as it is :)
[14:00] <cr3> if this works, then we can assume that test-apache2.py is integrated. then repeat for each test
[14:00] <cr3> note that SUDO_PASSWORD doesn't work, we need to discuss a better solution for this sudo problem
[14:01] <cr3> soren: make sense so far?
[14:02] <fagan> cr3: im back what do you need
[14:03] <ara> fagan, well, going to the archives (no need to subscribe) you can see what new things have landed in Lucid, and it is a good way of knowing what to test
[14:03] <cr3> fagan: I'm preparing a ppa for you, one moment :)
[14:04] <fagan> ara: good idea
[14:04]  * fagan noticed that the software center got some synaptic like funtions last night.
[14:05] <mvo> it did, feedback welcome
[14:06] <soren> cr3: I think so.
[14:06] <fagan> mvo: its a little slow to search
[14:06] <fagan> It works though
[14:06] <mvo> fagan: yeah, I noticed that too, especially for short search terms
[14:08] <fagan> mvo: maybe parse down the list on first letter then the rest of the letters typed will be a lot quicker
[14:08] <ara> fagan, that list contain the changelogs, so it is a very easy way to spot new features and bugs fixed
[14:09] <fagan> So if I typed "c" it would cut out everything but things beginning with c. Its how I did the search in a college project it made searching a lot faster
[14:09] <fagan> ara: got it
[14:09]  * fagan bookmarks the archives for the lucid uploads
[14:11] <davmor2> morning fader_ cr3
[14:11] <fader_> davmor2: Howdy dude
[14:12] <davmor2> fader_: no demotion just on my real machine for a change :)
[14:12] <fader_> davmor2: Hehe, out of bed and hobbling around then?
[14:12] <davmor2> something like that ar
[14:13] <soren> cr3: Couldn't we just configure this user to have NOPASSWD sudo access?
[14:13] <soren> cr3: These are expected to be throw-away installs anyways, aren't they?
[14:15] <cr3> soren: sounds like a plan, I can take care of putting that logic in the right place
[14:15] <soren> cr3: neat.
[14:15] <cr3> soren: so, that solves scripts requiring to initially run as the normal user and then calling sudo
[14:15] <soren> cr3: The initial checkout scripts/qa_regression_suite does was how big? 500 MB?
[14:15] <cr3> soren: I noticed some scripts initially need to be run as root, so we need to find a way to formalize that information so that it can be determined programmatically
[14:15] <cr3> soren: yes
[14:16] <cr3> fagan: my ppa is building: https://edge.launchpad.net/~cr3/+archive/ppa/+packages
[14:17] <fagan> cr3: cool
[14:18]  * fagan grabs the ppa info
[14:18]  * fagan prays to the gods for a one click ppa install in the future
[14:18] <mvo> fagan: thanks, I check out what can be done to make it faster
[14:19] <mvo> fagan: "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:the-name"
[14:19] <cr3> fagan: note that the ppa is still building checkbox, make sure you get 0.9-ppa1
[14:19] <fagan> mvo: cool ill keep on testing away and see if I can break it
[14:20] <fagan> oh I didnt know that awesome mvo thanks
[14:20] <mvo> cheers :)
[14:22] <moustafa> Bonjour cr3, fader_, je voudrais un croissant
[14:22] <cr3> fader_: that is true, he would like a croissant
[14:23]  * fagan even understood that
[14:23] <moustafa> fader_: I'm very popular
[14:23] <soren> cr3: Ok, let's pretend that I've forgotten everything about checkbox. Hypothetically, of course.
[14:23] <cr3> fader_: by the way, if you run the QA regression suite in checkbox, note that it might be destructive. do you have a virtual machine or a machine on which you can reinstall everything?
[14:23] <soren> cr3: ...and let's pretend I want to just run all of those qrt test things. What's the command to run?
[14:24] <soren> cr3: I can usually work my way down the layers from something like that, I just need a starting point.
[14:24] <fader_> moustafa: Splish-splash!
[14:24] <cr3> soren: first, integration phase: we make sure that scripts/qa_regression_suite outputs commands that can work when running them from the command line
[14:24] <moustafa> fader_ Je ne comprends pas!
[14:25] <soren> cr3: Ok.
[14:25] <soren> cr3: Makes sense.
[14:25] <fader_> cr3: I can set up a VM if necessary... do you need me to test some tests?
[14:25] <soren> cr3: What I need to understand is how do I know that this step is succesful.
[14:25] <cr3> soren: the script in question can run all tests if not given any arguments, but I think we'll want to cherry pick those we want by passing them as arguments
[14:26] <fagan> Oh ive been meaning to ask are there any plans to make hwdb.ubuntu.com any better?
[14:26] <cr3> soren: second, suite definition: once we know what tests we want to run, we define how to call scripts/qa_regression_suite in suites/qa_regression.txt
[14:26] <cr3> soren: the suite should already be defined for running a couple scripts, so we can simply add to that list
[14:27] <cr3> soren: third, running the suite: if running from the branch, simply run ./bin/checkbox-gtk or ./bin/checkbox-cli and only select the suite of interest from the second prompted step
[14:27] <cr3> soren: fourth, profit!
[14:28] <cr3> the cool part is that most of the integration consists of making sure scripts work on the command line and output sane information, scripts/qa_regression_suite in this case and how to call each individual script within the qa-regression-testing suite in our particular case of interest
[14:29] <cr3> fagan: man, hwdb is so deprecated, I think we should make plans to get rid of it
[14:30] <fagan> I would like if we could have some way to make the test results available so people can know what works and what doesnt
[14:32] <soren> cr3: Err...
[14:32] <soren> cr3: I run ./bin/checkbox-cli
[14:32] <soren> cr3: ...
[14:32] <soren> cr3: and I get..
[14:33] <soren> A list of suites.. h is the qrt thing. Pressing h changes nothing. What gives?
[14:34] <cr3> soren: interesting, it's the only one that doesn't work, probably because it's external (meaning the actual suite resides on an external source such as launchpad), but that shouldn't affect being able to select or deselect it. I'll have a look
[14:37] <fagan> ok cr3 I have the ppa update for checkbox
[14:37] <cr3> fagan: do you have a throw away system on which you can run that particular version of checkbox?
[14:38] <fagan> Oh no but I can recover this one fine if needs be
[14:38] <fagan> cr3: are there any ones that break things?
[14:39]  * fagan is starting to feel like the nutty professor
[14:40] <soren> cr3: You do see the same behaviour, right?
[14:42] <cr3> soren: yep
[14:42] <cr3> fagan: nope, the others don't break anything, just QA regression tests. however, those are the ones of particular interest right now :)
[14:42] <davmor2> fagan: come on you're not as funny as eddie murphy ;)
[14:42] <cr3> soren: the graphical interface should work just fine though
[14:42] <fagan> oh cr3 could you look at this bug report its https://bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox/+bug/487143
[14:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487143 in checkbox "More specific hardware questions shouldnt be asked" [Undecided,New]
[14:43] <fagan> davmor2: I am so :D
[14:44] <cr3> fagan: I'd be happy to make those questions more human friendly, might you have suggestions?
[14:44] <fagan> just do the tests I suggested in the backround
[14:44] <fagan> They arent really yes or no questions anyone can answer off the top of their head
[14:45] <cr3> fagan: agreed, but how would you propose to improve that situation and make it easier to answer by anyone?
[14:46] <fagan> hmmm thats the question
[14:48] <fagan> I dont think there is an easier way to ask how fast you hard drive writes
[14:49]  * fagan is of the opinion if his mother cant answer it then most other people cant answer it
[14:50] <davmor2> fagan: I think the big issue here is the amount of info provided rather than the question being right or wrong, the big problem is though that manufactures don't name there stuff in a similar fashion so you can't pull out key info from that provided.
[14:52] <fagan> davmor2: true but the users might not know the answer that the problem
[14:53] <fagan> the xrander cycle is fun :)
[14:54] <davmor2> fagan: there is always the option to skip if they are unsure
[14:55] <fagan> true but still in most cases I think checkbox should do it in the backround
[14:58] <davmor2> fagan: but checkbox can't magically tell what level of knowledge you have about your machine.  Hence the skip button ;)
[15:01] <fagan> davmor2: it would be great if it could :D
[15:01] <fader_> fagan: Out of curiosity, the checkbox window doesn't get 'lost' or moved around too badly at the end of the xrandr-cycle test, does it?
[15:02] <fagan> fader_: no the resolution gos funny but the window returns to the original position
[15:03] <fader_> fagan: "the resolution goes funny" -- that's only during the test though, right?  It returns to the proper resolution at the end?
[15:03] <fagan> yep
[15:17] <moustafa> fader_: I'd like to add that the xrandr test is troublesome on NVIDIA cards with the proprietary drivers.  I tried it on my home machine, and got stuck at the lowest available resolution.
[15:18] <fader_> moustafa: If that's something you can replicate every time I'd be very interested in troubleshooting that
[15:18] <moustafa> I'll try it again tonight, then ;)
[15:19] <fader_> It *shouldn't* happen :)  I grab the current resolution before changing anything and then set it back to that resolution at the end explicitly, so I'd be curious as to what is going on if it stays at a low resolution.
[15:22] <cr3> soren: checkbox-cli fixed and push to my qrt branch
[15:23] <cr3> soren: now working on NOPASSWD thing
[15:24] <soren> cr3: Awesomeness.
[15:43] <soren> cr3: I'm about to call it a day. I'll play more with this tomorrow morning.
[15:43] <soren> Bah, who am I kidding? I'll be back in  3-4 hours.
[15:44] <cr3> soren: I just pushed more changes
[15:44] <cr3> soren: the qa_regression_suite script now writes to the sudoers file properly
[15:45] <cr3> soren: there's one remaining problem though: in order for the script itself to run as root, it must be run by the dbus backend. unfortunately, the dbus backend doesn't know who called it, which I need to know in order to configure the sudoers file properly
[15:45] <cr3> so, that's what I'm working on now
[16:25] <davmor2> by the way fagan bug 487143 you should write an individual bug for each one not cluster them together like that.   1 might be fixable with a rewrite where as others might need recoding etc.
[16:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487143 in checkbox "More specific hardware questions shouldnt be asked" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487143
[16:26] <fagan> davmor2: oh ok
[17:06] <cr3> sbeattie: when you come back, are you sure qa-regression-testing scripts depend on python-unit? they work just fine with just python2.(5|6) which comes with the unittest module
[17:07] <sbeattie> cr3: doh, that seems correct.
[17:13] <cr3> sbeattie: what seems correct? depending on python-unit?
[17:14]  * cr3 wonders since when unittest came with python
[17:27] <sbeattie> cr3: it seems correct that the dependency on python-unit is not needed at least for python 2.5 and 2.6.
[17:29] <sbeattie> that's probably not be true for dapper, though; it has python-2.4
[17:29] <sbeattie> s/probably/possibly/
[17:30] <cr3> sbeattie: if you could confirm that dependency and update the qa-regression-testing trunk accordingly, that'd be awesome
[17:31] <sbeattie> cr3: will do.
[17:31] <cr3> sbeattie: also, have you figured a way to formalize how to describe dependency on packages depending on ubuntu release? it seems that the QRT-Alternates requires human intervention and prior knowledge in order to be enforced
[22:07] <moustafa> cr3, fader_: I'm off for the night, see you tomorrow!
[22:08] <fader_> moustafa: g'night!


[06:58] <perkelix> howdy!  is there any way to prepend an epoch to one specific binary target of a src: package at build time?
[07:49] <ginggs> perkelix: try dh_gencontrol with -v
[07:51] <ginggs> https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=path%3Adebian%2Frules+dh_gencontrol.*--*.-v&literal=0
[07:59] <perkelix> ginggs: util-linux_2.38.1-5/debian/rules seems close enough to my case. thanks!


[12:57] <lbt> hi ... more Mer packaging/building stuff :)    I need to build glibc - how do I limit the architectures it builds for to just i586 ?
[12:59] <lbt> does just trimming /debian/rules.d/control.mk   debian/control.in/libc6:   -e 's%@archs@%amd64 arm armeb armel i386 lpia m32r m68k mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 sparc s390 hppa sh3 sh4 sh3eb sh4eb%g' < $< > $@  work
[13:23] <lool> lbt: Hmm why do you need to limit that?
[13:24] <lbt> I'm building it to do a cross-build in OBS
[13:24] <lool> Is it a problem if OBS builds it on other arches?
[13:24] <lbt> nah, I just want to speed it up and avoid all the build-deps etc
[13:25] <lbt> the plain build-dep doesn't specify libc6-dev
[13:25] <lool> It sounds like your change is specific to OBS, not really to your source package, so probably you want an OBS config to only build on certain arches or a wrapper which takes a source package and strips all arches except the one you want?
[13:25] <lbt> well, OBS is driven by the dsc
[13:25] <lbt> it just runs dpkg-buildpkg
[13:25] <lbt> inside a chroot
[13:26] <lbt> but it pre-installs based on the build-depends
[13:26] <lool> Yes, but it is worth it to maintain extra delta in all your .dscs just to speed up OBS builds?
[13:26] <lbt> this is a specific task :)
[13:26] <lool> Instead, you could change the control file before OBS builds
[13:26] <lbt> yes
[13:26] <lbt> this is just for one build - it's to do with cross-building
[13:26] <lool> Can you use a modified dpkg-dev for instance
[13:27] <lbt> phone
[13:27] <lool> Oh ok; then I guess you can just edit control
[13:27]  * ogra wonders what you gain from OBS over a PPA
[13:28] <ogra> which builds x86/amd64 only anyway
[13:29] <lbt> sec
[14:03] <lbt> long call :)
[14:04] <lbt> lool - yes, I removed the none x86 looking things from control.mk. .... this gives me a glibc_2.9-4ubuntu6obs1
[14:04] <lbt> ogra: OBS builds armel
[14:05] <ogra> right, you asked for "building only on x86" though ;)
[14:05] <lbt> yes - I want to build glibc i586
[14:05] <lbt> and then package  it in an armel .deb

[14:05] <ogra> err
[14:05] <lbt> http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/Cross_Build
[14:06] <lbt> "scratchbox done right"
[14:06] <ogra> well
[14:06] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BuildEABIChroot
[14:06] <lbt> tongue-in-cheek
[14:07] <Stskeeps> ogra: yeah, that's part of the solution, now drop in x86 bash, gzip and cross compiler gcc :P
[14:07] <ogra> pfft, just build your stuff with native tools
[14:07] <lbt> we do
[14:07] <lbt> Qt takes 40 hrs
[14:07] <ogra> in the chroot i mean
[14:07] <lbt> we do
[14:07] <lbt> that's how OBS works
[14:08] <lbt> AFAIK the OBS guys helped write the patches to qemu mentioned on that page
[14:09] <lbt> now OBS also lets us run the chroot easily on the desktop
[14:09] <lbt> so these native binaries will help make the desktop devel/debug cycle quicker and avoid my users bitching at me :)
[14:09] <ogra> right, i just dont get what you do with the x86 binaries
[14:10] <lbt> we install them into eg  /lib-x86/bin/bash
[14:10] <Stskeeps> we accelerate the builds with native tools basically :)
[14:10] <lbt> then we install a set of .so into  /lib-x86/lib
[14:10] <ogra> well, mesa compiles in the eabi chroot in 2h here ...
[14:10] <lbt> and modify ldlinux.so and glibc/rt to look in /lib-x86
[14:11] <ogra> not sure i understand what you speed up with using the x86 tools
[14:11] <lbt> and then replace /bin/bash with symlink to /lib-x86/bin/...
[14:11] <ogra> mesa x86 compiles in pbuilder on the same machine in the same time
[14:11] <Stskeeps> ogra: your method would use gcc built for ARM, right? :P
[14:11] <ogra> indeed
[14:12] <lbt> and qemu/armel gcc is 10x slower than 586 gcc
[14:12] <ogra> the gcc 4.4.0 we use in karmic
[14:12] <ogra> it isnt
[14:12] <ogra> feel free to try it out
[14:12] <lbt> we do
[14:12] <lbt> the entire Mer distro is built just like that
[14:12] <ogra> in OBS
[14:12] <lbt> qemu/armel gcc
[14:13] <lbt> yes, or locally
[14:13] <Stskeeps> ogra: you're telling me x86 cross-compiler targetting armel is just as fast as qemu-arm (user level) emulated gcc? :P
[14:13] <ogra> i just did two builds of mesa today, there is no speed difference at all between the builds on the same HW here
[14:14] <ogra> well, probably a few minutes but not noticeable at all
[14:14] <lbt> I think you must be using a cross-compiler
[14:14] <Stskeeps> when doing big builds it makes a difference - and if you can cut off a minute per build in your queue, that's a lot :P
[14:14] <ogra> qemu-system-arm is definately slow, fully agreed
[14:14] <lbt> yes
[14:14] <lbt> that's what we (have to) use
[14:15] <lbt> anyhow... this is all mainly 'interesting'
[14:15] <Stskeeps> lbt: it's not qemu-system-arm in use though :P
[14:15] <ogra> do you have an ubuntu desktop machine around ?
[14:15] <ogra> just try it :)
[14:15] <lbt> OBS is a GPL solution to do multi-distro builds
[14:16] <ogra> takes 10 mins to set up a chroot ... another 2 to install build-essential in the chroot ...
[14:16] <Stskeeps> ogra: we did try over several packages to do gcc built on armel for armel - it's dog slow and can be accelerated 50-60% with simple tricks :P
[14:17] <lbt> ah, qemu-system-arm ... OK, misunderstood. We're using binfmt-misc
[14:17] <lbt> anyhow, as I said, it's A.N.Other tool that we use :)
[14:17] <ogra> (that whole conversation should be in #ubuntu-arm btw)
[14:17] <lbt> and I appreciate the help getting glibc to build
[14:18] <lbt> very true...
[14:18] <lbt> I just pop in here to see how Ubuntu-MID is coming along
[14:18] <lbt> we haven't seen any of you guys for a while
[14:19] <ogra> MID moved to mer and to being built by the community, not sure who is in the new MID team
[14:19] <ogra> persia has some insight in that afaik
[14:20] <lbt> has he been around much
[14:21] <ogra> i think he is massively busy
[14:21] <lbt> OK,  say hello from Mer if you see him :)
[14:22] <ogra> will do :)
[14:22] <ogra> will you guys be at the maemo summit ?
[14:22] <lbt> oh yes
[14:22] <ogra> well, then we might meet
[14:22] <Stskeeps> yeah, i'll be doing a presentation and lbt got a free trip at the developer weekend ;)


[20:55] <lifeless> wheee
[20:55] <lifeless> 17921  OOPS-10c6e2453422218f59fb3e8e621ea198  Person:+contactuser
[21:30] <lifeless> wgrant: https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-bcba588b8f33bfa5da7c88e680763bf8
[23:17] <wgrant> lifeless: Interesting, obviously a cold cache somehow.
[23:17] <wgrant> lifeless: I suspect that GIN will be nice -- it's usually the FTI index that ends up cold.
[23:17] <wgrant> Since the entire set of Ubuntu bugs is kept very hot by the regular full index scans.
[23:21] <wgrant> lifeless: The only major repeatable timeouts are Person:+commentedbugs and Person:+bugs and their API equivalents for particularly prolific people (better than they used to be, but still bad), and things that use last_patch_uploaded, which I'm about to add to bugtaskflat.
[23:21] <lifeless> cool
[23:21] <lifeless> yesterday had 1.6K timeouts still
[23:21] <wgrant> Yeah, mostly not bug-related, though.
[23:21] <wgrant> Only a few hundred.
[23:21] <wgrant> Most of them being +commentedbugs
[23:22] <lifeless> kk
[23:22] <lifeless> is the root bugs api one fixed ?
[23:22] <wgrant> Ja
[23:22] <wgrant> Overrode it to [], timeouts went away and nobody has complained.
[23:24] <lifeless> hah
[23:24] <wgrant> Hopefully DF will be back today so I can fix Distribution:+search's query
[23:25] <wgrant> lifeless: All the +patches timeouts and most of Distribution:EntryResource:searchTasks will go away when I denorm latest_patch_uploaded.
[23:30] <wgrant> StevenK: You didn't revert that bad rev..?
[23:48] <StevenK> wgrant: I figured that since jml's QA was going to block it I could fix it better
[23:50] <wgrant> StevenK: jml's thing will be deployable in 10 hours, so you'd best be swift.
[23:51] <StevenK> wgrant: How best to fix it? self.findBranches().limit() ?
[23:51] <wgrant> That won't work.
[23:51] <StevenK> I didn't think so.
[23:51] <wgrant> The Stormiest way to do it is to use a subselect.
[23:51] <wgrant> Well, that's the SQLiest way to do it too
[23:51] <wgrant> UPDATE doesn't support LIMIT
[23:52] <StevenK> Ah, so it has to be WHERE id IS IN ...


[09:05] <xnox> Laney:  mwhudson: bdmurray: $ git clone lp:casper is a thing now
[14:58] <GunnarHj> Hi! autopkgtest fails for casper on armhf which blocks the migration of some packages.


 Really seemed too heavy for the task
[13:36] <dzho> Wanting to use git-annex is what finally drove me finally to start learning git.
[13:36] <dzho> Now I'm using git and I still haven't really used git-annex for anything very seriously.
[14:12] <_stink_> cmaloney: http://www.npr.org/2017/07/18/534577902/can-t-prog-rock-get-any-respect-around-here
[14:12] <_stink_> saw this and thought of you
[14:14] <cmaloney> That Yes and Genesis and Rush are in the R&R hall of fame means Prog got a little respect
[14:14] <cmaloney> but yeah, it's about as welcome as Jam Bands in the music world
[14:14] <jrwren> are jam bands in R&R hall of fame?
[14:15] <jrwren> R&R hall of fame sucks anyway. That shouldn't be a factor :p
[14:15] <cmaloney> eg: if Rolling Stone ever has a kind word to say about The Grateful Dead we'll have to check which universe we're on
[14:15] <cmaloney> jrwren: It's a barometer. That's about all
[14:15] <jrwren> Do they love Phish?
[14:15] <cmaloney> not sure
[14:16] <cmaloney> I'd doubt it. There's vacuum cleaners involved.
[14:16] <cmaloney> (note: I think Rolling Stone is a moebius loop of head to asshole)
[14:17] <jrwren> uh-huh
[14:17] <jrwren> it has interesting origins, and then it grew into people magazine for music
[14:18] <cmaloney> It became the game review magazine of music
[14:18] <cmaloney> where if it wasn't esoteric enough or unkown enough then it was garbabe
[14:19] <cmaloney> but not too esoteric
[14:19] <cmaloney> "This album of theremin music is haunting, but it's the third theremin music album I've ever heard so it's been done to death"
[14:19] <cmaloney> "avoid"
[14:20] <cmaloney> "This album is done using instruments that the band created themselves. They sound like nothing else I have heard before. But I listened to it three times and now it's been done to death. Avoid."
[14:58] <jrwren> well, it took a while, but my first code was landed at new job :)
[15:00] <notlikethesoup> nice
[15:01] <rick_h> jrwren: woot woot
[15:49] <cmaloney> jrwren: Awesome
[15:51] <greg-g> jrwren: deployed?
[15:53] <jrwren> probably deployed somewhere.
[15:53] <jrwren> I don't work on websites.  Want to ride down in the van? We can play checkers in the back seat against each other :P
[18:24] <jrwren> YES!!! finally a mech keybaord which works with this mac.
[18:25] <jrwren> zomg... so happy that mech keyboards are so cheap now.
[18:33] <cmaloney> rick_h: Haven't thought that far ahead for an actual time.  Not this year either? huh, maybe next..."
 I know you have everyone else's in some cron job so I should at least know yours :)
[18:43] <greg-g> ah, found it in gcal
[18:44] <greg-g> wednesday this year
[18:44] <cmaloney> heh
[18:44] <cmaloney> Yeah it's an open secret
[18:44] <greg-g> thanks g+
[18:45] <cmaloney> :)
[18:55] <jrwren> i'm turning 40 and figuring things out.
[18:56] <jrwren> remember city slickers?  the secret to life?
[18:57] <cmaloney> Shit, I never saw that movie
[18:57] <cmaloney> no wonder I don't know the secret to life.
[19:03] <jrwren> lol
[19:03] <jrwren> its a funny movie.
[19:06] <rick_h> oh man that's a classic movie, must see
[19:07] <jrwren> i agree. i tend to like Billy Crystal
[19:08] <rick_h> yea, I tend to be more so-so on him, but that one is some of his best stuff
[19:08] <jrwren> I even like Forget Paris
[19:09] <rick_h> that and the therapist movie he did are at the top for him imo
[19:10] <jrwren> haha, when he goes around head butting people?  that was funny
[19:10] <rick_h> and yes jfdi is just do it
[19:11] <jrwren> I don't really remember Mr. Saturday Night, but given the cast, I should watch it again.
[20:59] <cmaloney> Anyone who isn't going to pyOhio want to sign up to review the video after it is published?
[20:59] <cmaloney> They're looking to get the video up ASAP
[21:00] <cmaloney> So this would be for making sure that the mic works and other quality-control stuff
[21:13] <cmaloney> Apparently you can't be your own reviewer. :-l