[13:41] <Yoshi2889> Awesome
[13:41] <Yoshi2889> Bumblebee is pretty crappy anyway last time I tried :P
[13:42] <Yoshi2889> Great effort, but I got 20 FPS in Minecraft whereas under Windows I get 200+
[13:42] <Yoshi2889> Hell the Intel GPU got 60
[13:42] <bekks> Yoshi2889: try using nvidia-prime then.
[13:42] <Yoshi2889> Nah I'll leave gaming to Windows for now. I heard Wayland will at least support Optimus, not sure what Mir will do but I guess it also will
[13:44] <cfhowlett> Yoshi2889, no mir before 2015
[13:44] <slikts> why mir over wayland in the first place?
[13:45] <Yoshi2889> slikts: I was wondering the same, though Canonical wants one display server for all their platforms (phone, tablet, desktop) I guess
[13:45] <Luyin> slikts: because Canonical is going its own way
[13:46] <Yoshi2889> Any advantages of using the Intel driver stack over the Linux stuff built-in to the kernel?
[13:49] <slikts> booting 13.10 is just so damn slow compared to windows, ubuntu always gets stuck in the login screen for a while before all the graphics are displayed
[13:49] <slikts> this is on a fast ssd
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> slikts: you cansay that about any 2 similar products
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> slikts: why Firefox over Chromium? Why Gedit over Mousepad?
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> slikts: its just how they want to go
[13:50] <UbOne> can i install gnome 3.12 in ubuntu 12.04 ?
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> slikts: are you running a switchable GPU?
[13:50] <slikts> ActionParsnip: yeah well typically there are reasons even for choosing between similar products
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> UbOne: there is a PPA but its not supported here
[13:50] <slikts> ActionParsnip: what's a switchable gpu? I have crossfirex with proprietary drtivers
[13:50] <Yoshi2889> UbOne: http://askubuntu.com/questions/439641/how-do-i-install-gnome-3-12-on-saucy13-10 < second result on Google
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> slikts: maybe its the proprietary drive loading slowly causing the hang....
[13:51] <slikts> ActionParsnip: could be, but the open source driver made my gpu howl like mad and show high temps
[13:51] <Yoshi2889> slikts: Switchable means that the system is able to jump from one GPU to the other, commonly found in laptops
[13:52] <slikts> ActionParsnip: my pc sounded like a vacuum after installing ubuntu until I changed the drivers
[13:55] <slikts> it's not like they're even just choosing between products, but they're developing mir
[13:55] <raub> How can I find out the configuration for the login manager, specifically what it is using to lookup network users?
[13:55] <slikts> making the question about motivation even more pertinent
[13:56] <slikts> I could give a very detailed why I choose the browser that I do over alternatives for everyday use
[13:56] <Yoshi2889> Huh, Software & Updates still shows my GT 750M though it runs on Haswell graphics according to the Details pane
[13:56] <Yoshi2889> Says it uses Nouveau
[14:05] <zubuntu> h'
[14:05] <zubuntu> hi
[14:05] <zubuntu> what s the gnome session fall back command for 14.04 _
[14:05] <zubuntu> ?
[14:05] <snoooop_> I can't boot from the usb installer I created using "startup disk creator". Also I can't figure out how to inspect if my USB disk are OK.  then I run "mount" the disk have the path "/dev/sdb1 on /media/docker/43E3-B6E0"  . Is that right ?
[14:07] <zubuntu> hello _
[14:07] <zubuntu> ?
[14:07] <snoooop_> zubuntu, hi
[14:08] <zubuntu> i wanna try classic gnome look in 14.04 beta2
[14:08] <zubuntu> how can i install it _
[14:08] <zubuntu> ?
[14:08] <Yoshi2889> zubuntu: Do  you mean GNOME 2 or 3?
[14:09] <zubuntu> yes Yoshi2889
[14:09] <Dev1L> I'm running Linux Mint 16 and I have a proglem using LG 22" monitor
[14:09] <Dev1L> I see it under displays but there's no picture
[14:09] <Yoshi2889> zubuntu: Which?
[14:09] <Dev1L> source on monitor is correct
[14:09] <DJones> !mint | Dev1L
[14:09] <zubuntu> Yoshi2889:  i want top and bottom bar
[14:09] <Dev1L> ah, roger
[14:09] <Dev1L> thanks
[14:09] <zubuntu> i think it s 3
[14:09] <Yoshi2889> zubuntu: So 2
[14:09] <zubuntu> i am confused
[14:09] <Yoshi2889> Closest you can get is using MATE IIRC
[14:09] <zubuntu> what s the difference ?
[14:09] <zubuntu> i dont want mate
[14:10] <Yoshi2889> GNOME 2 is not officially supported anymore
[14:10] <zubuntu> i want gnome fall back session
[14:10] <Yoshi2889> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MATE_1.6_on-Debian-Wheezy.png
[14:10] <Yoshi2889> What's wrong with Mate, it achieves the same?
[14:10] <zubuntu> this unity shit making the screen narrower
[14:10] <zubuntu> i dont like to see it
[14:11] <Yoshi2889> You might want to set your screen resolution correct then
[14:11] <zubuntu> i like ambiance theme
[14:11] <hmuller> I have been having problem with DNS resolution on 12.04 install for awhile, it is a standard install on laptop. Any clues?
[14:11] <zubuntu> Yoshi2889:  really it s annoying to see the unity at left
[14:11] <snoooop_> also then I inspect the USB disk in gpared I have two partitions, One fat32 and one 2mb unallocated. Is that normal ?
[14:12] <zubuntu> i was able to use gnome fallback with 12.04 so what s the new command with 14.04 ?
[14:12] <Yoshi2889> zubuntu: Then install MATE, and set the theme to Ambiance
[14:12] <Yoshi2889> zubuntu: 14.04 does not have a fallback mode
[14:12] <zubuntu> whyy ??
[14:12] <zubuntu> grrrrrr
[14:12] <dw1> gnome-desktop ?
[14:12] <zubuntu> why not ?
[14:12] <zubuntu> yes dw1
[14:13] <zubuntu> why does ubuntu make so sharp changes ?S
[14:13] <Yoshi2889> gnome-desktop installs version 3.10
[14:13] <Yoshi2889> It's a bit heavy for when you only want the fallback mode
[14:13] <dw1> hmm
[14:13] <Yoshi2889> zubuntu: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-mate-18-in-ubuntu.html
[14:13] <dw1> im on gnome-session-fallback on 13.10
[14:13] <hmuller> Anyone know why 12.04 has DNS resolution problems?
[14:14] <Yoshi2889> Just go with that, it's next to the same as GNOME 2
[14:14] <zubuntu> i want this
[14:14] <zubuntu> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6Ozgy2tQQdA/T75bOpIlktI/AAAAAAAAJAs/xxh_q7MMX64/s1600/ambiance-fixed-gnome-classic.png
[14:14] <zubuntu> not MATE ?s
[14:14] <mistawright> is there an easy way to find a list of all svn users?
[14:14] <slikts> f***** me, I was happy for a while after coming back to ubuntu, but now my chrome keeps becoming unresponsive, it either loads pages endlessly or doesn't let me scroll the pages or do anything
[14:14] <dw1> so im on gnome 2 then ?
[14:14] <zubuntu> dw1:  how about on 14.04 ?
[14:14] <Yoshi2889> zubuntu: If you only look at that page, the *first* screenshot shows theming.
[14:14] <dw1> zubuntu: dont know yet im just learning with you :P
[14:14] <slikts> it's unusable
[14:14] <Yoshi2889> dw1: You're installing a lot of stuff you don't need then.
[14:14] <slikts> `killall chrome` doesn't fix it
[14:15] <Yoshi2889> That reminds me, install chrome
[14:15] <zubuntu> i want to report about gnome to ubuntu developer team
[14:15] <slikts> firefox is freezing as well
[14:15] <Yoshi2889> zubuntu: Don't bother, they removed it on purpose
[14:15] <zubuntu> why do they force us to use unity ??
[14:15] <Yoshi2889> They don't
[14:16] <zubuntu> i dont wanna use unity
[14:16] <Yoshi2889> You're free to use any DE available
[14:16] <zubuntu> i mean that silly dash bar
[14:16] <hmuller> Slikts, are you losing internet connection?
[14:16] <slikts> hmuller: no
[14:16] <dw1> so apparently im on gnome 3 then.. so just gnome-desktop in 14.04 then will be the same?
[14:16] <zubuntu> give me the smooth desktop with top and bottom bars like old days
[14:16] <Yoshi2889> dw1: gnome-desktop will pull in 13.10
[14:16] <Yoshi2889> derp
[14:16] <Yoshi2889> 3.12
[14:16] <slikts> hmuller: that wouldn't explain why the browser itself is becoming unresponsive, and why it loads without timing out
[14:16] <Yoshi2889> derp x2
[14:16] <Yoshi2889> 3.10 :D
[14:16] <dw1> sounds fine
[14:16] <zubuntu> dw1:   do u know session fallback command ?
[14:17] <dw1> im already using 3 so
[14:17] <zubuntu> or flashback
[14:17] <zubuntu> whatever
[14:17] <hmuller> Different issue than me then, I keep losing ability to resolve addresses
[14:17] <Yoshi2889> zubuntu: You can install gnome-shell, but you're pulling in a lot of stuff you don't need
[14:17] <slikts> so I've spent a day and a half setting up this os only to find out that it's unusable
[14:18] <dw1> Yoshi2889: why do you prefer gnome 2 over 3
[14:18] <Yoshi2889> Ah damn, Chrome doesn't install on 14.04
[14:18] <Yoshi2889> dw1: I don't :P
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> zubuntu: install xfce, lxde or kde and you will probably have a smoother OS :)
[14:18] <Yoshi2889> I prefer 3 over 2
[14:18] <dw1> Yoshi2889: why mate over gnome-desktop then
[14:18] <Yoshi2889> ActionParsnip: He doesn't want to
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> Yoshi2889: did for me...
[14:18] <hmuller> Which version did you install slikts?
[14:18] <zubuntu> i want ubuntu with top and bottom bars
[14:18] <Yoshi2889> dw1: I don't prefer Mate either :P
[14:18] <zubuntu> i just want that
[14:18] <slikts> hmuller: 13.10
[14:18] <Yoshi2889> I prefer Pantheon from elementaryOS, but they're using old backbones
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> zubuntu: or install gnome-panel and log i to the new session, Cinammon is also availabel in the official repos
[14:19] <Yoshi2889> Kernel 3.2 IIRC
[14:19] <dw1> zubuntu: just install gnome-desktop for gnome 3 then imo :p
[14:19] <hmuller> Yeah, I didn't like that version, too buggy
[14:19] <zubuntu> also i love ambiance theme
[14:19] <zubuntu> dw1:  give me the command
[14:19] <dw1> zubuntu: i dont know what im doing tho i dont run 14.04
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> zubuntu: nobody is forcing you to use Unity...
[14:19] <zubuntu> is that too hard to remove dash and put top and bottom bar ???
[14:19] <UbOne> zubuntu: how about - auto hide left-bar from appearance-behavior and install cairo-dock
[14:20] <zubuntu> ActionParsnip:  they do actually
[14:20] <slikts> hmuller: I guess I'll downgrade to 12.04 if this persists
[14:20] <Yoshi2889> zubuntu: No need to get demanding, install either GNOME 3 and cope with having extra crap on your system or install MATE/Cinnamon/XFCE and get a similar experience
[14:20] <zubuntu> i dont want any dock
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> zubuntu: no they don't I dont even have compiz on my system, no Unity, no gnome
[14:20] <zubuntu> Yoshi2889:  that s what i mean
[14:20] <hmuller> That would be my recommendation
[14:20] <slikts> zubuntu: your mom wants dock
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> zubuntu: install gnome-panel, log off, log in to the new session
[14:20] <zubuntu> they force us to install unnecessary stuffs because they removed the best look ever
[14:20] <Yoshi2889> zubuntu: No, they moved on
[14:21] <zubuntu> slikts: watch your mouth !
[14:21] <zubuntu> u f.cking idiot !
[14:21] <dw1> zubuntu: there are many desktop styles just have to pick and use
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> zubuntu: no they don't. Only if you install teh default Ubuntu, you will get all the fluff and stuff they bundle. This happens in any OS you can name
[14:21] <zubuntu> is there an op here ?
[14:21] <DJones> zubuntu: Please stop swearing
[14:21] <hmuller> What's the status of 14.04? Usable yet?
[14:21] <zubuntu> DJones:  look what he said !
[14:21] <Yoshi2889> hmuller: Running it here, seems stable enough
[14:22] <zubuntu> [14:20] <slikts> zubuntu: your mom wants dock
[14:22] <slikts> Yoshi2889: are you running the daily build?
[14:22] <zubuntu> ban this a..hole
[14:22] <Yoshi2889> slikts: I grabbed Beta 2 and updated it
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> zubuntu: install xfce4, log off and use XFE, it is GTK based so will install very little, uses fewer resources than the default Unity session and doesn't use Unity
[14:22] <Yoshi2889> My VM runs a daily build and updated today, still workin
[14:22] <Yoshi2889> *working
[14:22] <hmuller> Yoshi2889, recommend it over 12.04?
[14:22] <Yoshi2889> hmuller: Definitely
[14:23] <Suppa|Werk> hi
[14:23] <hmuller> Thx
[14:23] <Yoshi2889> Not as LTS yet (wait till stable) but it's definitely an upgrade over 12.04
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> hmuller: 12.04 is great :)
[14:23] <slikts> Yoshi2889: do you think upgrading from 13.10 could work?
[14:23] <Yoshi2889> Does anyone know if there is like an "Open terminal here" extension for Nautilus?
[14:23] <Yoshi2889> slikts: No idea, I guess it should
[14:23] <Hamaryns_> hi all, since last upgrade to Ubuntu, I get the error message no mycroft.mozdev.org that openSearch plugins are not supported?  What is wrong?
[14:24] <hmuller> No, I wasn't happy with 13.10
[14:24] <Hamaryns_> (in Firefox that is)
[14:24] <dwr> I am having issues with the BADSIG
[14:24] <dwr> Anyone know how to fix it?
[14:24] <zubuntu> is there an op here ????
[14:24] <hmuller> And 12.04 has consistent DNS resolution problems
[14:24] <UbOne> Hamaryns_: new ff does not suppors the plugin, probably
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> zubuntu: ops are in the channel, yes
[14:25] <dwr> Hash Sum mismatch
[14:25] <zubuntu> so why are they just watching some idiots insulting ????
[14:25] <Yoshi2889> Ah great, nautilus-open-terminal package works
[14:25] <slikts> zubuntu is a man on a mission
[14:25] <dwr> This is on 13.10
[14:25] <zubuntu> shut the f.ck up slikts
[14:25] <Yoshi2889> zubuntu: Probably because they have better things to do
[14:25] <Yoshi2889> Thank you
[14:26] <zubuntu> hey
[14:26] <zubuntu> first kick him and then me ok?
[14:26] <zubuntu> be fair
[14:26] <UbOne> slikts is not having a pms
[14:26] <Yoshi2889> Huh, installing Chrome through dpkg works
[14:27] <DJones> Time to move on and get back to support issues
[14:27] <zubuntu> UbOne:   he insulted dont protect him understand ??
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> Yoshi2889: isnt that how it's installed?
[14:27] <xro> Hi, i just upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04... all works well but i have log in 2 times... Is it a known issue?
[14:27] <Yoshi2889> ActionParsnip: The Software Centre gave me an error
[14:27] <Yoshi2889> Dpkg installs it just fine
[14:27] <dwr> I am having issues with update manager.
[14:27] <zubuntu> now who will give me session fallback command for terminal ?
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> xro: 14.04 is only supported in #ubuntu+1 til release day
[14:27] <dwr> BADSIG
[14:28] <slikts> here goes nothing, doing an in-place upgrade to 14.04
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> Yoshi2889: software centre is rubbish imho
[14:28] <Yoshi2889> ActionParsnip: Yeah, prefer Synaptic. Still need to install it though, too lazy to do now
[14:28] <slikts> hah, the upgrade ended with a python error
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> dwr: can you give the full output of:  sudo apt-get update; lsb_release -a    use a pastebin like http://pastie.org to host the output
[14:28] <slikts> OSError: Can not execute '/tmp/ubuntu-release-upgrader-8mgbdx/trusty'
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> Yoshi2889: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[14:28] <Yoshi2889> Ah crap Ubuntu updated PHP to 5.5 :|
[14:28] <Yoshi2889> ActionParsnip: That's what I did :P
[14:29] <xro> ActionParsnip, ok sorry!
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> Yoshi2889: is how I install all debs, the text in the terminal is useful compared to the GUI tools which hide all the detail from you, not very good
[14:29] <Yoshi2889> Yeah
[14:33] <UbOne> *wishes ubuntu was less heavy on cpu
[14:33] <Yoshi2889> UbOne: No issues here
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> UbOne: use LXDE, or ditch DEs altogether and use Openbox or Fluxbox on its own as standalone WM
[14:34] <dw1> My biggest prob with ubuntu is this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/159356 where it essentially freezes when memory fills up
[14:34] <shubhamjain> After installing cinnamon, FF became http://i.stack.imgur.com/2MteJ.png.
[14:34] <dw1> disabling encrypted swap didnt help
[14:35] <Yoshi2889> shubhamjain: looks like missing fonts or something
[14:35] <dw1> buying more ram helps a bit, but youtube commonly causes a freeze if i watch too many vids
[14:36]  * Yoshi2889 wishes the terminal was more readable, especially with apt
[14:36] <Yoshi2889> Yum is only so much more readable
[14:37] <zubuntu> slikts:  i installed new bigger dock for your mom do u wanna see it ?
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> Yoshi2889: if you use terminal a lot, I recommend guake
[14:37] <hoihe> Can someone help me connect my Sony Xperia J's storage to my Ubuntu 12.04 PC? Using the USB cable, the PC does not seem to recognise the phone being connected, while the phone does recognise the presence of the PC.
[14:38] <Yoshi2889> ActionParsnip: Thanks, though I prefer having standard terminal windows :)
[14:38] <hoihe> I've tried using gMPT, but it freezes upon hitting "connect"
[14:38] <hoihe> Does anyone know what the issue might be, or perhaps a workaround for putting my files on the phone?
[14:39] <Yoshi2889> Putting files on  your phone can be done with adb if you're up for that challenge
[14:39] <hoihe> adb?
[14:40] <Yoshi2889> Reminds me I also need to set that up, since Windows 8.1 has no good HTC drivers
[14:40] <Yoshi2889> Android Developer Bridge
[14:40] <Yoshi2889> or Development
[14:40] <Yoshi2889> In a terminal, issuing "adb push MyFiles.zip /sdcard" will put the file on your SD card, if properly configured
[14:42] <Yoshi2889> My phone with MTP works fine though
[14:42] <Yoshi2889> You sure you have your phone enabled for data transfer @ hoihe
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> Yoshi2889: it iuses the same terminal, it just hides and shows on keypress :)
[14:45] <sydneyJDykstra> Why is it that whenever i try to boot ubuntu trusty from a CD, it shows a blank screen. I have it set correct in the BIOS,because it starts to boot from it.
[14:45] <hoihe> Got the PC companion thingy to appear, so apparently the computer does detect my phone, it just won't mount...
[14:45] <Yoshi2889> sydneyJDykstra: What's your GPU?
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> sydneyJDykstra: trusty support is in #ubuntu+1 until release day
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> Yoshi2889: ^
[14:45] <Yoshi2889> hoihe: No notification on your phone?
[14:46] <Yoshi2889> ActionParsnip: Who says it's trusty?
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> Yoshi2889: "i try to boot ubuntu trusty from a CD"
[14:46] <fijal> hi
[14:46] <DJones> Yoshi2889: It was in the question
[14:46] <fijal> how do I disable apport-python-hook
[14:46] <Yoshi2889> Woops
[14:46] <fijal> ?
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> Yoshi2889: clear as day
[14:46] <Yoshi2889> Sorry, my eyes are going backwards :P
[14:46] <slikts> more like crusty
[14:47] <sydneyJDykstra> ActionParsnip: I am not sure of that. I am running 12.04 right now,and the bootable flash drive will work on other computers.
[14:47] <Yoshi2889> ActionParsnip: Guake won't start
[14:47] <flashstrong> hola
[14:48] <sydneyJDykstra> ActionParsnip: I will ask on #ubuntu+1
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> Yoshi2889: press ALT+F2 and run it, then use F12 by default to hide and show it
[14:49] <Yoshi2889> Oh on third attempt of running it it works lol
[14:54] <Yoshi2889> "Create new Steam library on drive /boot/efi" Sounds like an awesome idea to me :D
[14:55] <tucemiux> is it out yet?
[14:56] <Yoshi2889> 14.04?
[14:56] <tucemiux> yes!
[14:56] <cfhowlett> tucemiux, no
[14:56] <Yoshi2889> Available as betas, yes. Officially finished, now
[14:56] <Yoshi2889> *no
[14:56] <Artemis3> 17
[14:56] <Artemis3> april 17
[14:56] <magico> hello how can install Development Tools ?
[14:56] <magico> ?
[14:56] <keonjeo>  止
[14:56] <tucemiux> how long before it gets released? o.O
[14:57] <magico> i have ubuntu 12 10
[14:57] <Yoshi2889> tucemiux: april 17
[14:57] <Yoshi2889> 16 days
[14:57] <tucemiux> 12.10?!?  you're missing out buddy
[14:57] <Yoshi2889> magico: What development tools?
[14:57] <daftykins> tucemiux: you'd know if it were out 'cause there'd be me over in that corner there stuffing my face with the cake
[14:57] <Artemis3> i suggest you stick to 12.04 if you need older version
[14:57] <tucemiux> Yoshi2889, thanks, I'll start my own countdown!
[14:57] <magico> Yoshi2889 standard the essential
[14:57] <tucemiux> Yoshi2889, oh wait, april 17 greenwich time?
[14:58] <Artemis3> likely
[14:58] <magico> tucemiux hoe i can make ?
[14:58] <magico> *how
[14:58] <Yoshi2889> magico: Well there are more tools available depending on what language you want to develop in
[14:58] <novochar> I have a service that I've created, but I don't want to continue to do /etc/init.d/myService start or service myService start each time I want to use it, I'd like it to start upon booting the machine. How do you make services which start upon booting a machine?
[14:58] <magico> Yoshi2889 en
[14:58] <magico> or it
[14:59] <Yoshi2889> magico: That's not what I mean :P
[14:59] <Artemis3> package build-essential ?
[14:59] <tucemiux> magico, you can either upgrade or do a fresh install, if you want to stick with an old distribution I would stay with 12.04 like Artemis3 sez
[14:59] <magico> i have solved
[14:59] <Yoshi2889> novochar: http://askubuntu.com/questions/9382/how-can-i-configure-a-service-to-run-at-startup
[15:00] <novochar> Thank you Yoshi2889!
[15:00] <Yoshi2889> :)
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> Yoshi2889: what do you reckon to guake?
[15:01] <Yoshi2889> ActionParsnip: Not sure, seems nice
[15:01] <Yoshi2889> Though I bet I'll forget about it :P
[15:02] <johan___1> Nick AudioMatic
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> Yoshi2889: no hunting around for the teminal window, just show and hide as needed :)
[15:02] <Yoshi2889> Yeah that seems nice
[15:02] <Yoshi2889> I'll try to make it my habit :P
[15:02] <Yoshi2889> Does not solve the problem that apt output is unreadable to say the least
[15:03] <Yoshi2889> Ah aptitude, that was the alternative I was hunting for
[15:03] <Yoshi2889> And again I wanted to launch a new terminal instance :D
[15:32] <marco__> ciao
[15:32] <marco__> !list
[15:38] <idimmu> o
[15:38] <idimmu> m
[15:38] <idimmu> g
[15:41] <Night-hacks> how can i set my tor socks proxy to bash ?
[15:41] <Night-hacks> without any other software
[15:43] <OerHeks> Night-hacks, maybe this answer is any help >> http://askubuntu.com/a/252169
[15:45] <fa7ad> how do i configure hostapd on broadcom 43225. what should i enter in the driver= value in the configuration value
[15:46] <daftykins> fa7ad: run "lsmod | grep 80211" to see which driver is in use i think
[15:48] <Munster> o/
[15:51] <eltigre> I had a stupid idea about fundraising for gooseberry... let's create a competition for video clips of rendered cloth-simulated Blender logo flags at well known places (tracked) and then edit the best into a fundraising video
[15:52] <daftykins> eltigre: sliiiightly wrong channel? :)
[16:04] <dupingping> Hi
[16:04] <dupingping> I have a question/
[16:04] <dupingping> How to get alien debian package for Ubuntu9.04 or Ubuntu8.04?
[16:05] <bekks> dupingping: Uhm. Both ar end of support already.
[16:05] <dupingping> bekks: Hi
[16:05] <dupingping> bekks: I don't need all packages for 8.04, 9.04. Only one,
[16:06] <daftykins> still, it's old and dead
[16:06] <daftykins> so - game over
[16:06] <bekks> dupingping: all packages for 8.04 and 9.04 are end of support.
[16:06] <dupingping> bekks: only one is alien.
[16:06] <g1_> daftykins, hi!
[16:06] <bekks> dupingping: Use a supported release please.
[16:06] <dupingping> bekks: I know, too.
[16:06] <dupingping> bekks: But I need to get only one, alien.
[16:07] <bekks> dupingping: Again: all packages for 8.04 and 9.04 are end of support.
[16:07] <bekks> dupingping: Use a supported release please.
[16:07] <dupingping> bekks: Do you know deprecated url about 9.04, 8.04?
[16:07] <dupingping> bekks: I am using it, Now
[16:07] <bekks> dupingping: then update, now.
[16:08] <afulg3ns> I have a question about l2tp vpn connections, can someone point me to the right channel?
[16:08] <bekks> dupingping: you wont get any support for end-of-support releases anymore.
[16:08] <dupingping> bekks: Your mean?
[16:08] <bekks> dupingping: you have to use a supported release.
[16:08] <dupingping> bekks: It's all died on www?
[16:09] <bekks> dupingping: It isnt supported anymore.
[16:09] <dupingping> bekks: OK. I understood. Thank you for your long time.
[16:09] <jamesUSMC> anyone know how i can get a fat32 usb hard drive to recognize? it says Error mounting /dev/sdc2 at /media/james/fat my book: Command-line `mount -t "exfat" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid" "/dev/sdc2" "/media/james/fat my book"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: unknown filesystem type 'exfat'
[16:09] <bekks> jamesUSMC: fat32 isnt exfat.
[16:10] <ballPointPenguin> Anyone put 14.04 on a Macbook Pro retina yet?
[16:10] <ballPointPenguin> Thinking of test-driving that today.
[16:11] <ballPointPenguin> Any info or related posts on 14.04 + Macbook would be appreciated
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> ballPointPenguin: ask in #ubuntu+1 for 14.04 support and discussion
[16:14] <ballPointPenguin> thx
[16:16] <Albright> What’s the equivalent to the “wheel” group under BSD? Is it “admin?”
[16:20] <jpds> Albright: sudo.
[16:21] <AlexByasse> Could someone tell me why on linux when watching online videos not youtube, when you skip ahead the video stops but you can hear the audio???
[16:21] <AlexByasse> And how can I fix it???
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> AlexByasse: not had that issue. What is the output of:  lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf|spark'
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> AlexByasse: use a pastebin like http://pastie.org to hold the output
[16:23] <Albright> jpds: Thanks, I’ll try that.
[16:27] <AlexByasse> do I just paste the pastie link like : http://pastie.org/8986176
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> AlexByasse: mint isnt supported here. It has its own support IRC channel
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> !mint
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> AlexByasse: that is the IRC channel and server for mint, not here
[16:29] <AlexByasse> Ive tried 4 distros: Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch and now Mint, same problem
[16:34] <hansford> can someone help me....I am using a dark theme here  and everything is fine until I go to facebook...and cant see what the hell I am typing
[16:34] <bekks> hansford: then use another theme.
[16:37] <OperaGhostkv> Because What you type is black
[16:38] <OperaGhostkv> the background color is black too
[16:38] <red234324> hi all, what is the correct /tmp chmod and ownership? I got root:root + 777 - can someone check theirs please and say if it is the same?
[16:40] <jaime> hola
[16:40] <red234324> lampp failing to start outputting message "is /tmp writable?" which is why I am asking
[16:41] <k1l_> red234324: did you install that xampp bunch? or did you use the ubuntu packages from the ubunut repo?
[16:41] <OperaGhostkv> thereis no "correct "
[16:42] <red234324> k1l_, xampp
[16:42] <k1l_> !xampp | red234324
[16:42] <k1l_> ubuntu ships all, and xampp makes a lot of problems. (besides that security issues)
[16:43] <red234324> OK but can you check your /tmp just so i get a sanity check?
[16:44] <k1l_> red234324: your /tmp is not the problem
[16:44] <k1l_> that looks good
[16:44] <coxart> need help to install openshot after "remove —purge openshot" and "phython-mlt3" and reinstall both nothing is happen system uptodate OS xubuntu…openshot is always installed and phython packets, no idea what the problem is…may iam not a Nerd…
[16:46] <red234324> Well I have used xampp before with no problem, only big change I have made since is to move /tmp into ram, maybe a ctrl-z on that will fix it.
[16:46] <Guest55668>  coxart: apt-get install -f  openshot phython-mlt3
[16:46] <coxart> done ^^
[16:46] <coxart> oh stop not
[16:46] <coxart> what means -f
[16:47] <RFleming> Greetings!
[16:47] <willwh> coxart - force
[16:47] <coxart> i try this@guest
[16:47] <coxart> and willwh
[16:47] <RFleming> How does one change the likewise-open5 home directory?
[16:47] <Guest55668> coxart: what is terurn from apt
[16:47] <Guest55668> coxart: what is return from apt
[16:48] <coxart> if packege istall always …done
[16:48] <coxart> no failures
[16:48] <Guest55668> coxart: all ok@
[16:48] <coxart> only openshot say phython ist the prob
[16:49] <Guest55668> coxart: @
[16:49] <Guest55668>  coxar: apt-get install --reinstall packagename
[16:50] <red234324> ok did undo on /tmp to ram, rebooting to see if that fixes it
[16:50] <johnson24x7> hi
[16:51] <coxart> reinstall openshot and phython-lt3…?
[16:51] <bipul> Any C programmer here?
[16:51] <RFleming> any likewise-open5 people in here?
[16:54] <coxart> @Guest55668 second my sister will try it
[16:54] <Pici> bipul: try ##c
[16:56] <Guest55668>  coxar: yes bouth 2 packages
[16:56] <coxart> k
[16:56] <Guest55668>  coxar: and apt-get check
[16:57] <coxart> he want autoremove packeages so she must di this?
[16:57] <coxart> do*
[16:57] <Guest55668>  coxar: yes
[16:58] <Guest55668>  coxar: that will clean the mess, so You can start from clena install
[16:59] <coxart> after this openshot will run…in most case?
[16:59] <coxart> ^^
[16:59] <yura> Forward32
[16:59] <yura> hello
[16:59] <Guest55668>  coxar: yes 90%
[17:00] <k1l> !away > bfiller_afk
[17:03] <coxart> ...
[17:03] <Guest55668>  coxar: what hapend?
[17:03] <coxart> Erro2….can i send pictures?
[17:03] <coxart> +r
[17:04] <coxart> 445ED18E-5F0D-49FA-9363-2B332B4C2A8A-12570-0007A4AD832CB8FD
[17:04] <coxart> hmm
[17:05] <coxart> als list of some codecs....
[17:05] <LrdArc> how can I download .avi instead of playing it from browser?
[17:05] <cfhowlett> LrdArc, firefox add-ons include video downloaders
[17:05] <Guest55668>  coxar: codecs?
[17:05] <coxart> The Error2 "Failed to import´fromopenshot.openshot import main´
[17:05] <awaad> When I check total memory in /proc/meminfo, I get "17364272" which means "16.559860229". How can I get accurate memory size?
[17:05] <coxart> the codecs he use
[17:05] <coxart> rm, sox voc, tc
[17:06] <coxart> etc
[17:06] <LrdArc> cfhowlett: ok, i'll try
[17:06] <coxart> Error Message: noneType object has not attribute ´set_cursor´
[17:07] <Guest55668>  coxar: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2081636
[17:07] <coxart> i know have this done before i ask here ^^
[17:08] <ole_oz7t> n
[17:08] <awaad> When I check total memory in /proc/meminfo, I get "17364272" which means "16.559860229". How can I get accurate memory size?
[17:09] <coxart> everytime the same issue
[17:09] <coxart> my sister have actually no just to solve this -.-
[17:10] <coxart> thnx 4 your time and help
[17:10] <guest-xLK0XG> How may one manually issue an acpi display backlight command?
[17:10] <coxart> @Guest55668
[17:10] <Guest55668>  coxar: Np, You wellkome
[17:11] <guest-xLK0XG> The backlight isn't working.
[17:12] <coxart> @Guest55668: http://www.directupload.net/file/d/3579/ltqp79me_jpg.htm
[17:12] <coxart> screenshot
[17:12] <guest-xLK0XG> It is hard to get the proper angle on frontlighting.
[17:12] <pycoderf> Anyone with ltsp experience? I have a major issue and #ltsp seems dead.
[17:13] <coxart> risky
[17:13] <cfhowlett> pycoderf, more likely that someone in #ubuntu-server has done LTSP
[17:13] <guest-xLK0XG> How may one manually issue an acpi display backlight command?
[17:13] <Agent_Smith_BR> hill all
[17:14] <guest-xLK0XG> angelo
[17:14] <Agent_Smith_BR> I'm trying to find a package which contains the file libdb2.so.1, there is no oficial package
[17:15] <Agent_Smith_BR> this is a driver to connect on IBM DB2 databases
[17:15] <Agent_Smith_BR> I've tried to find something on IBM sites but no lucky
[17:15] <Agent_Smith_BR> any tip where I can find a package that's contain libdb2.so.1?
[17:15] <Guest55668>  coxar: sec
[17:17] <Guest55668>  coxar: its a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openshot/+bug/914013
[17:18] <Guest55668>  coxar: confirmed, will be time need for solution
[17:18] <coxart> uh…but ists a old bug
[17:18] <Guest55668>  coxar: reinstall system, there will be new xubuntu
[17:18] <Guest55668>  coxar: :)
[17:18] <coxart> jepp
[17:19] <guest-xLK0XG> angelo
[17:19] <coxart> cya bb
[17:19] <Guest55668>  coxar: BB
[17:20] <guest-xLK0XG> bb
[17:21] <ole_oz7t> test from ubuntu ti windows
[17:21] <ole_oz7t> working
[17:21] <guest-xLK0XG> Want to come over for supper?
[17:22] <k1l> !ot | guest-xLK0XG
[17:22] <Guest55668> !guidelines
[17:22] <Realgamer> Someone knows a fix dor a not starting lightdm?^^
[17:22] <guest-xLK0XG> How may one manually issue an acpi display backlight command?
[17:23] <guest-xLK0XG> Realgamer, press onebutan
[17:23] <Realgamer> what :D
[17:23] <k1l> Realgamer: depends on the problem
[17:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Realgamer: [ sudo scream at lightdm ]
[17:23] <Realgamer> first appeared after a new nvidia driver
[17:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Realgamer: (April Fool!) Really, though, try [ sudo start lightdm ]
[17:24] <k1l> Realgamer: where is the driver from? nvidia website?
[17:24] <Realgamer> yes
[17:24] <k1l> Realgamer: bad idea. remove that and use the ubuntu one
[17:24] <Guest55668> guest-xLK0XG: http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/09/ubuntu-12-04-resetting-your-displays-brightness-levels-fix/
[17:24] <Realgamer> wanted it for steam but hmm
[17:24] <Realgamer> how to remove?
[17:25] <Realgamer> brb connecting with another client so that i can boot ubuntu
[17:26] <Realgamer> back
[17:29] <guest-xLK0XG> Guest55668, checking that for clues
[17:30] <Realgamer> im under Ubuntu right now
[17:30] <Realgamer> at the terminal
[17:30] <Realgamer> how to uninstall the nvidia driver^^
[17:30] <guest-xLK0XG> !nick @ Guest55668
[17:31] <guest-xLK0XG> !nick @ Guest55668
[17:31] <guest-xLK0XG> !register @ Guest55668
[17:32] <ole_oz6oh> hello all Where can i get  help with my miro in ubuntu 13.10 ?
[17:32] <cfhowlett> ole_oz6oh, you can ask here but you will probably get better results from miro support
[17:33] <ole_oz6oh> cfhowlet ok  the problem is: I can download music but not vidio fro pirat
[17:33] <guest-xLK0XG> how can one blow his mind out in a car?
[17:34] <guest-xLK0XG> the anomy
[17:34] <cfhowlett> guest-xLK0XG, completely offtopic for this channel
[17:34] <guest-xLK0XG> I must unite x86
[17:35] <ole_oz6oh> cfhowlet i try support b miro
[17:35] <guest-xLK0XG> Unite all x86 to blow other cpus
[17:36] <cfhowlett> ole_oz6oh, you can get NO videos??
[17:36] <cfhowlett> try a different source
[17:36] <justaguy> Turns out dumb justaguy installed http://ubuntu.mirrors.skynet.be/pub/ubuntu.com/releases//trusty/ubuntu-14.04-beta2-desktop-amd64+mac.iso on an acer
[17:37] <justaguy> that iso is special and optimized for a mac computer
[17:37] <ole_oz6oh> i can download but whwn download is finish miro dele the download
[17:37] <justaguy> i downloaded the wrong one and installed it on an acer, will this bring any problems?
[17:37] <k1l> justaguy: no, just get a not-mac one and install that
[17:37] <justaguy> k1l: i already installed the mac one :/
[17:37] <cfhowlett> ole_oz6oh, best you ask miro for expert advice on their app
[17:37] <Guest55668> bye for al
[17:38] <justaguy> but i have not got any problems yet
[17:38] <ole_oz6oh> cfhowlett ok thanks
[17:38] <luc4> Hello! I’m buying a new pc where I’ll install Linux. I’ve been told that new computers that features TPM can make it difficult to install Linux. Is this correct? How can I ensure before I buy if Linux will be ok?
[17:39] <ice9> is there a way to run an app, open image file or even play mp3 and watch the behavior of them like whether they access the internet or not?
[17:39] <cfhowlett> luc4, guarantee?  dell xps13 developer edition, system 76, emporer linux computers will run linux.
[17:40] <ice9> cfhowlett: luc4 I don't recommend Dell for security reasons, search about their BIOS backdoor
[17:41] <akiva-mobile> Canonical do anything for April Fools?
[17:41] <luc4> ice9: I don’t care much about this. I’m more concearned about the possibility to have Linux running...
[17:41] <cfhowlett> akiva-mobile, sold ubuntu to facebook ...
[17:41] <akiva-mobile> cfhowlett, ha! awesome :P
[17:43] <akiva-mobile> cfhowlett, I wonder if Jono will play along today on ubuntu-on-air
[17:43] <Guest97774> whatsapp, viber etc.. are closed IM app ; which are it is opposite open IM app?
[17:44] <justaguy> The advantage of running ubuntu 14.04 beta: 40MB of updates everyday :p
[17:44] <ice9> Guest97774: try Telegram it's open source
[17:47] <simpleuser> I’d like to host some pictures on my server. Do you know a simple application I can install on my server to do so?
[17:47] <SwedeMike> simpleuser: "host"? as in make available to a web browser?
[17:47] <simpleuser> I mean something specific to pictures (not something like owncloud)
[17:48] <simpleuser> SwedeMike, yep
[17:48] <SwedeMike> simpleuser: and you want something to do thumbnails, albums etc?
[17:48] <k1l> akiva-mobile: we have #ubuntu-offtopic for that talks
[17:49] <simpleuser> SwedeMike, not albums, thumbnails is enough
[17:49] <akiva-mobile> k1l, fyi; the ask jono anything about ubuntu is online soon.
[17:49] <SwedeMike> simpleuser: install a web server and "gallery". that should do the trick.
[17:50] <k1l> akiva-mobile: you know that we keep this channel clear for technical support. we have other channels for the social chatter. thanks
[17:50] <simpleuser> Ok I’ll try that. Thanks SwedeMike
[17:52] <imdea> Hi one question, I've a user "roberto" in my machine and want that it be able to do "sudo su - fyf"  and execute commands as that user without entering a password, I have edited as root the /etc/sudoers file using visudo and added this:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7190706/ but if I'm root and switch to this user as: sudo su - roberto and then do sudo su - fyf it asks me for a password, any ideas?
[17:54] <jrajav> Hey guys
[17:55] <jrajav> I'm running 14.04 on a retina Macbook Pro and after changing some options I get a black screen with a frozen cursor in the top left
[17:55] <oliver_> What happens when a user goes over the "soft" quota? It should stop them using up any more space after the "hard" limit?
[17:55] <jrajav> It appears after the splash boot logo
[17:55] <jrajav> How can I debug this?
[17:55] <Beldar> !14.04|jrajov
[17:56] <imdea> Hi one question, I've a user "roberto" in my machine and want that it be able to do "sudo su - fyf"  and execute commands as that user without entering a password, I have edited as root the /etc/sudoers file using visudo and added this:  http://paste.debian.net/91019/  but if I'm root and switch to this user as: sudo su - roberto and then do sudo su - fyf it asks me for a password, any ideas?
[17:56] <Beldar> !nomodeset | jrajav address this option in #ubuntu+1
[17:57] <kwoot> Where can I send a rather disturbing screenshot of a 14.04 beta 2 system?
[17:57] <cfhowlett> !paste|kwoot,
[17:58] <Beldar> imdea, The channel asks for a 10 min posting timeout.
[17:58] <imdea> Beldar: sorry.
[17:58] <Beldar> imdea, No biggie, if this is a server you might try #ubuntu-server as well.
[17:59] <imdea> Beldar, ok thanks
[18:00] <jrajav> For some reason my client isn't letting me join #ubuntu+1
[18:00] <kwoot> So, here goes: http://imagebin.org/303210. Good luck with this one :-)
[18:01] <kwoot> Ah, read the topic to late. Sorry. Will redirect.
[18:04] <thor_> yg
[18:04] <thor_> hvjkhvj
[18:05] <ghutzriop> hi, ich habe eben ubuntu 13.10 auf einem usb stick installiert und versuche jetzt auf einem anderen rechner zu booten, allerdinge bekomme ich nur ein "ata7: hard resetting link", nachdem ich das system im wiederherstellungsmodus gestartet habe
[18:06] <ghutzriop> oops, forgot to add an "-de" to the channel name
[18:06] <Beldar> ghutzriop, This is an english channel.
[18:07] <ghutzriop> Beldar: yes, I just noticed, sorry
[18:10] <sinack> How would I go about doing a select in a sequential order that would restart itself over again.  For example, I have a table called pictures.  Pictures have a foreign key to user_id.  I want to select all pictures but the order should be user1's picture#1, user2's picture#1, user3's picture#1, user1's picture#2, user2's picture #2, user3's picture#2....and so on.
[18:10] <Yoshi2889> sinack: SQL?
[18:10] <sinack> yeah, SQL
[18:10] <sinack> I'm trying to avoid using code to do this, if that's possible.
[18:11] <Yoshi2889> SELECT FROM pictures ORDER BY user_id ASC
[18:11] <Yoshi2889> i guess
[18:11] <sinack> no
[18:11] <Yoshi2889> isn't quite clear how the table looks tbh
[18:12] <sinack> table is id, user_id, title
[18:12] <Yoshi2889> if "picture" is different in every name, then you can't get around explode()'ing it by #
[18:13] <sinack> it seems like a very complicated sql query
[18:13] <Yoshi2889> actually
[18:13] <sinack> i can use the scripting language to calculate it, the problem is, when there's 100k+ pictures
[18:14] <sinack> it gets to be slow
[18:14] <Yoshi2889> SELECT FROM pictures ORDER BY user_id ASC, RIGHT(title, 3) ASC
[18:14] <Yoshi2889> err
[18:14] <Yoshi2889> that 3 should be 1
[18:14] <Yoshi2889> derp
[18:15] <sinack> that's not what i'm trying to achieve
[18:15] <Yoshi2889> hmm no
[18:15] <sinack> i don't want all of the user_id's  together
[18:15] <Yoshi2889> yeah...
[18:15] <Beldar> !who|sinack
[18:15] <sinack> i want user_id 1, user_id2, user_id3, user_id1, user_id2
[18:16] <Yoshi2889> i think you'd need a script for that
[18:16] <sinack> Beldar, gotcha, thanks
[18:16] <Beldar> sinack, Thanks, makes things easier. ;)
[18:16] <sinack> Yoshi2889, i feel like it can be done in sql, but it's beyond my understanding
[18:17] <ghutzriop> ok, another try here. I successfully installed ubuntu 13.10 on an usb-stick. it also boots correctly on my laptop, but not on my desktop. I'm getting an "ata7: hard resetting link" error.
[18:17] <Yoshi2889> sinack: I think it can be done too, but doing it with a script seems easier
[18:18] <Yoshi2889> ghutzriop: http://askubuntu.com/questions/109180/mysterious-hard-disk-failure
[18:18] <Yoshi2889> first result on google
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> ghutzriop: are you trying to boot ubuntu from an usb on your desktop, or install it on dekstop
[18:19] <ghutzriop> lotuspsychje: trying to boot it from an usb on my desktop
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> ghutzriop: you sure your bios is set right to boot the usb?
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> ghutzriop: some bios got multiple settings to boot usb as first
[18:21] <ghutzriop> lotuspsychje: I'm not sure what I could configure differently. I was able to chose the recovery mode from grub(which is installed on the usb). and it's the only connected usb-stick
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> ghutzriop: feel free to ask in ##hardware channel aswell for your bios/mobo brand
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> ghutzriop: so you can boot the usb and enter grub
[18:23] <ghutzriop> lotuspsychje: correct, but the bot process stops with an ata error. I suspect, there is something configured in a non-prtable way in grub
[18:23] <ghutzriop> boot process*
[18:26] <HappyNewYear13> I have a question about Ubuntu One, when you upload files: are they indexed by Google search or any other search engine?
[18:27] <HappyNewYear13> Another question about Ubuntu One files uploaded: how do I set them to be private? a whole folder private?
[18:28] <coolguy210> How's everyone doing?
[18:28] <daftykins> coolguy210: do you have a support question?
[18:28] <coolguy210> I do
[18:28] <TJ-> sinack: In a test DB here, this works as you described: "select * from pictures order by title, user_id asc"
[18:29] <coolguy210> I needed to know how to create a scheduled task using the AT command in Ubuntu. It needs to echo "It is now time to log off". Can anyone help?
[18:29] <HappyNewYear13> I don't get Ubuntu One
[18:29] <HappyNewYear13> I don't get Ubuntu One. What's this publishing option? Does it mean they will be public only if if I tell it so?
[18:30] <HappyNewYear13> Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn help me
[18:30] <cfhowlett> !patience|HappyNewYear13,
[18:30] <HappyNewYear13> this channel used to be more helpful in the past, what happened?
[18:31] <cfhowlett> !attitude
[18:31] <sinack> TJ-, that's not quite right.  It's still repeating.  You can't really use title to order, because it won't guarantee uniqueness
[18:31] <TJ-> HappyNewYear13: "Ubuntu One" is a Canonical service, not a community managed service, so you may be better using the dedicated Ubuntu One help facility
[18:31] <HappyNewYear13> TJ-, where is that?
[18:32] <HappyNewYear13> so craving chocolate now
[18:32] <cfhowlett> HappyNewYear13, one.ubuntu.com
[18:32] <TJ-> sinack: Your requirement doesn't make sense then. You want it sorting by row order?
[18:33] <HappyNewYear13> cfhowlett, thank you friend
[18:33] <TJ-> sinack: If the table's id field is unique, then you can use that: "select * from pictures order by id, user_id asc;"
[18:33] <sinack> TJ-, just (1, user1), (2, user1), (3, user2), (4, user1)
[18:33] <guest-tDWL3l> t was that link?
[18:34] <guest-tDWL3l> #ubuntu isn't on the list
[18:34] <guest-tDWL3l> for logs
[18:35] <sirithcam> Hey, im installing NCMPCPP music player and after launching ./configure i've got error "configure: error: boost/locale.hpp is missing". Someone know how to fix it?
[18:36] <TJ-> sinack: You'd need an intermediate table for that kind of sort
[18:37] <sinack> TJ-, that's what this table is, it's an intermediate table, *basically*, user_id, and photo_id
[18:37] <sinack> TJ-, where photo_id is id
[18:38] <k1l> !away > Germanaz0|0FF
[18:40] <Beldar> sirithcam, Maybe an easier way if this ppa supports your release.  http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/ncmpcpp-ncurses-mpd-client-shell-music.html
[18:41] <sirithcam> k thx
[18:41] <naodwalk> Hello all, I have a class project and need to schedule a task using the AT command to display a message in the terminal. Does anyone know how I'd go about doing this?
[18:42] <beandog> man at
[18:42] <naodwalk> Thanks. but it wont display the echo command
[18:43] <beandog> naodwalk: what do you mean?
[18:43] <naodwalk> So when I schedule the task to run it wont display in the atq list and the job never runs
[18:45] <beandog> oh
[18:45] <beandog> is the at daemon running?
[18:45] <naodwalk> yes it is
[18:46] <beandog> hmm
[18:46] <beandog> dunno
[18:46] <beandog> :|
[18:47] <naodwalk> is the syntax incorrect? at 2:05PM [echo "Time to logoff."> ~/message [cat ~/message
[18:47] <naodwalk> where [ = new line
[18:47] <tmmunq> looks fine to me
[18:48] <TJ-> sinack: There's no data in the table representing the order of pictures by user_id, which you need in order to do a "group by"
[18:48] <naodwalk> :(
[18:48] <naodwalk> well thanks anyway. I'll look into it more
[18:49] <akiva-mobile> hey can we get a mod in #ubuntu-on-air. bin_bash needs a boot, and Jono asked for it.
[18:49] <vanishing> naodwalk: what was your problem? sorry I was late to the party
[18:49] <vanishing> just saw atq
[18:49] <beandog> akiva-mobile: ask in #ubuntu-ops
[18:49] <akiva-mobile> beandog, thanks
[18:49] <beandog> np
[18:50] <k1l> akiva-mobile: ask in #ubuntu-ops
[18:50] <sinack> TJ-, Solved: http://sqlfiddle.com/#!2/343fc/2
[18:51] <naodwalk> My issue is that when i enter at 2:05PM [echo "time to log off" > ~/message [cat ~/message (where [ = new line) the job is not entered into the atq, and never runs.
[18:52] <ice9> which package has aa-sandbox?
[18:53] <TJ-> sinack: that table isn't the same one you described ("table is id, user_id, title"), and that query will be very expensive, computationally
[18:53] <Yoshi2889> ice9: android application sandbox?
[18:53] <TJ-> sinack: The better way is to create an index
[18:53] <ice9> Yoshi2889: no just normal linux apps
[18:53] <Yoshi2889> ice9: apparmor-sandbox
[18:54] <ice9> Yoshi2889: is it possible to run android apps on Ubutnu?
[18:54] <Yoshi2889> ice9: dunno
[18:54] <sinack> TJ-, thanks for your help.
[18:54] <Yoshi2889> through an emulator yes, otherwise no idea
[18:54] <ice9> Yoshi2889: I don't have apparmor-sandbox
[18:54] <Yoshi2889> but you do have aa-sandbox?
[18:55] <robotti^> ice9: is possible using virtual machine running android
[18:55] <bekks> robotti^: yes
[18:55] <bekks> robotti^: android x86
[18:55] <robotti^> bekks: yep
[18:55] <Yoshi2889> ic9: dpkg -S /bin/aa-sandbox
[18:55] <robotti^> and all java apps
[18:56] <robotti^> native arm apps dont work
[18:56] <bekks> robotti^: if they run on android x86.
[19:05] <kram1> hi
[19:06] <kram1> Can anyone suggest a GUI memory benchmarking tool?
[19:06] <bekks> whats thats?
[19:07] <bekks> kram1: all memory benchmarks depend on the exact use case. you can have fast RAM, which behaves with the speed of pen and paper just because your benchmark isnt actually doing what the application (which you are benchmarking for) would do.
[19:08] <kram1> bekks: Just looking for something to test basic read/write.
[19:08] <kram1> And maybe report clock speeds.
[19:08] <bekks> kram1: just run memtest86++ then, from the grub menu.
[19:08] <kram1> Looking for something that runs on Linux.
[19:08] <kram1> memtest86 isn't really a benchmarker, I'm not sure what's the significance of the basic info it shows
[19:09] <bekks> It does exactly what you want: test basic read/write and report clock speeds.
[19:09] <kram1> Memtest86's main job is to check for errors.
[19:10] <bekks> It does exactly what you want: test basic read/write and report clock speeds.
[19:10] <bekks> That where your requirements. You are refusing it just because it isnt named "shiny benchmark tool".
[19:10] <kram1> It only shows one figure, I assume for read, and it's inconsistent with a "real" benchmarker I tried.
[19:11] <bekks> It does read/write tests, per your choice.
[19:11] <kram1> The reason I'm curious, too, is that it started showing less than half the MB/sec it showed a few days ago, and I'm trying to figure out why.
[19:11] <bekks> And whatever "inconsistent" in terms of "benchmarking" even means.
[19:12] <kram1> Regarding clocks, a few Windows utilities show me a figure that's lower than what I expect. I don't know if it's chipset incompatibility, or the actual speed.
[19:12] <bekks> It is the actual speed.
[19:12] <kram1> The BIOS at least shows the expected clocks. But I want to see what some higher level utility reports.
[19:13] <kram1> Where? The BIOS?
[19:13] <bekks> "higher lever utility reports". Look at the RAM itself, look at the sticker. thats the nominal clock speed.
[19:13] <kram1> Anyway, nothing you can suggest for benchmarking or lowlevel sysinfo under Linux?
[19:14] <bekks> Everything else is determined by the exact hardware you are using.
[19:14] <JDodger> I really need some help ;_;
[19:14] <kram1> I'm seeing a discrepancy. I want to find out if the WIndows utilities are wrong or not.
[19:14] <bekks> kram1: We dont care about windows utilities :)
[19:14] <cyanboy> Has anyone written a script to remove the spyware from ubuntu?
[19:14] <kram1> bekks: That's why I asked for something for Linux...
[19:14] <JDodger> can someone pm if they can help me set up my ubuntu dual boot with windows 8?
[19:15] <cfhowlett> !fud|cyanboy, no spyware is ubuntu
[19:15] <bekks> kram1: And you got a reliable answer. Look at memtest, it does exactly what your requirements are.
[19:15] <kram1> Any other suggestions?
[19:15] <JDodger> okay well I'll just ask it out here then
[19:16] <cyanboy> cfhowlett: I'm all the bloat that comes with it like integrated amazon search
[19:16] <cfhowlett> !nounity|cyanboy,
[19:17] <JDodger> Basically, I'm trying to set up dual boot, I currently am running windows 8, I partitioned 100GB of my C drive for ubuntu to go on, I had to disable windows 8 on my bios in order to get to ubuntu on boot. I go onto ubuntu and installed it, it all worked, but when i rebooted it to use it normally, it wouldn't boot to it...
[19:17] <JDodger> I want to be able to select whether I use Ubuntu or Windows on boot
[19:17] <cfhowlett> cyanboy, amazon search lenses are only in unity desktop environment.  alternatives: gnome, lxde, xfce
[19:17] <cfhowlett> !notunity
[19:18] <cyanboy> what's the apt-get remove to remove unity and all the "evil components"
[19:18] <ice9> cyanboy: why do you want to remove unity?
[19:19] <bekks> !eol > bekks
[19:19] <cfhowlett> cyanboy, as unity is pretty much integrated, you're better served just using an alternate desktop environment or disto: lubuntu/xubuntu
[19:19] <Kaco> Evening
[19:19] <k1l> cyanboy: there are no "evil components" just set it to not make online queries in the privacy settings in system settings
[19:19] <cfhowlett> !dualboot > JDodger,
[19:20] <JDodger> sorry I'm new to this, what do you mean by !dualboot?
[19:20] <ubunter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191170/  tail -f /var/log/syslog is saying http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191174/ but I dont see it
[19:20] <cfhowlett> JDodger, choose windows or ubuntu at boot time: dual = "two"
[19:20] <k1l> cyanboy: but you are free to remove the ubuntu-desktop and use another desktop that gets shipped in the repos. but stop that FUD about spyware. that is just making a drama.
[19:21] <cfhowlett> needless drama
[19:21] <cyanboy> k1l: I'm fine with using unity. I just don't want amazon etc. there by default
[19:22] <k1l> cyanboy: as i said: see privacy settings and switch that off
[19:22] <OerHeks> i want more choice than Amazon :-) but amazon will be opt-in in 14.04
[19:22] <k1l> no need to make that drama
[19:22] <cfhowlett> OerHeks, I think it's actually 14.10 ...
[19:23] <rww> cfhowlett: it doesn't work if you stick a comma after the person's nick ;)
[19:23] <OerHeks> i'd like to write such amazon plugin and service for local business :-D
[19:23] <rww> cfhowlett: (!dualboot > JDodger,), I mean
[19:23] <cfhowlett> rww, ah!  that's why.  gotta change my xchat settings
[19:24] <cfhowlett> rww  fixed!
[19:24] <rww> :)
[19:26] <ubunter> Where am I missing a semicolon? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191170/ I dont understand why I get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191174/  if everything is ok
[19:26] <Es0teric> has anyone here installed ssmtp?
[19:30] <biggbear> how to find what means error 139 when sudo apt-get install'ing
[19:30] <Jordan_U> ubunter: Don't use word processors for text editing.
[19:31] <ubunter> so what should i do?
[19:31] <cfhowlett> !crosspost
[19:31] <DrDigita_> How could I get a Java application (JIRA) to run faster on my Ubuntu system?
[19:31] <Jordan_U> ubunter: Use a text editor to edit your text files, and replace those smart quotes with regular quotation marks.
[19:33] <DrDigita_> it seems pretty slow for my system specs... Dual AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4000+ x 2 and 6gb of ram
[19:34] <DrDigita_> http://pastebin.com/nd6SHMKv  is my system really under load? doesn't seem to be to me?
[19:34] <ekarlso> phr/win 10
[19:34] <ubunter> Thank you, worked like a charm.
[19:35] <Jordan_U> ubunter: You're welcome. Do you understand what the problem was, and how it was caused?
[19:36] <ubunter> Yes, I saw it the smart quotes where the culprit and not to use a word proccessor instead use a text edit like gedit. Thanks
[19:40] <luc4> Hello! Anyone who has installed Ubuntu on something like Toshiba Satellite L50-A-14K?
[19:41] <bekks> luc4: What are the actual issues you having to do so? :)
[19:42] <DrDigita_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1129187  i wonder if that would work and how could i find out if my system has a OpenGL based card?
[19:42] <luc4> bekks: I don’t have it. I’ve been told there are issues with Linux with those new PC including TPM. Just wanted to know if someone had experience on those.
[19:42] <DrDigita_> and I'm talking about a web based java application (serving it)
[19:45] <bekks> luc4: as long as you can disable TPM, there are no possible issues ;)
[19:46] <luc4> bekks: indeed. But is it always possible to disable it?
[19:46] <bekks> luc4: from what I know, there are some machines out there where it isnt possible.
[19:46] <luc4> bekks: I really know nothing about this TPM, I’m just trying to understand by reading around. But this point is unclear to me...
[19:46] <luc4> bekks: and in that case I may be unable to install ubuntu?
[19:48] <bekks> luc4: in that case it still maybe possible to install something.
[19:48] <luc4> bekks: I’ve been asked to confirm that that machine is ok by my company. If I can’t install Linux… I can even throw it away as I can only work with Linux :-)
[19:48] <luc4> bekks: so Linux don’t actually support this tpm?
[19:50] <bekks> luc4: Most likely, it does. Read this e.g.: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TPM
[19:50] <bekks> luc4: Or this: http://www.grounation.org/?post/2008/07/04/8-how-to-use-a-tpm-with-linux
[19:50] <slikts> why could it be that when I put /tmp on tmpfs everything started to occasionally freeze?
[19:51] <k1l> slikts: your ram got a hardware problem?
[19:51] <slikts> k1l: definitely not
[19:51] <bekks> slikts: because your box has to swap and starts to get really slow.
[19:51] <slikts> bekks: I have 16 GB of ram
[19:51] <bekks> slikts: which does not mean much.
[19:52] <bekks> slikts: Check wether your system is actually swapping.
[19:52] <slikts> bekks: it is not
[19:52] <luc4> bekks: those are the first two articles I read in reverse order :-)
[19:52] <slikts> bekks: most of it is empty
[19:52] <bekks> luc4: :D
[19:52] <slikts> bekks: even if it was swapping, the disk is a fast ssd so it shouldn't be noticable
[19:52] <bekks> slikts: then it isnt the /tmp in tmpfs which causes your system to get really slow.
[19:52] <luc4> bekks: so some may work and some may not. Also on some TPM can be disabled, on some it can’t. I will only know when I get it… right?
[19:53] <bekks> slikts: Which is nonsense. :) An SSD is still noticably slower than RAM.
[19:53] <Artemis3> never ever put swap on ssd
[19:53] <slikts> bekks: I didn't say it is slow, things just get glitchy and start freezing
[19:53] <cfhowlett> Artemis3  explain that last?
[19:53] <slikts> bekks: for example, Chrome would freeze up and say "Waiting for Cache..."
[19:53] <k1l> slikts: i really would make a ram test
[19:53] <bekks> slikts: Then it has nothing to do with /tmp on tmpfs most likely.
[19:53] <slikts> k1l: I've done that, it's fine
[19:54] <bekks> slikts: how long did that RAM test run?
[19:54] <slikts> bekks: it happens only when I put /tmp on tmpfs
[19:54] <slikts> Artemis3: the swap never gets used
[19:54] <Artemis3> then remove it
[19:55] <bekks> Artemis3: then he will be unable to use suspend to disk.
[19:55] <slikts> bekks: I don't use that ever
[19:55] <Artemis3> there you go
[19:55] <slikts> it's not a laptop, I just use S3 standby
[19:55] <bekks> slikts: then remove swap :)
[19:55] <slikts> bekks: I don't want to in case I run out of ram
[19:55] <Artemis3> you don't want the next leaking program to kill your ssd prematurely, and it happens from time to time
[19:56] <slikts> I'll move it to a hdd instead
[19:56] <Artemis3> thats better
[19:56] <Artemis3> swap kills ssd, as simple as that.
[19:57] <slikts> it'd still be nice to know how to get /tmp to use tmpfs without problems
[19:57] <Jordan_U> slikts: Artemis3: bekks: For any issue where having swap causes slowdowns (which is much more rare than people think, usually having swap if anything increases speed), setting swappiness to 0 will usually get you the same result, except you'll still get better handling of OOM conditions.
[19:57] <slikts> I just used noexec,nosuid options for tmpfs
[19:57] <Artemis3> slikts, its set up like that by default
[19:57] <slikts> Artemis3: where can I see how it's set up? I don't see in /etc/fstab
[19:58] <slikts> I mean I don't see /tab
[19:58] <Jordan_U> slikts: Is the tmpfs particularly full when you get these freezes?
[19:58] <slikts> and df doesn't show /tmp as tmpfs either
[19:58] <slikts> Jordan_U: not at all
[19:58] <k1l> slikts: last time now: did you run a memtest so far to be sure its not the ram?
[19:58] <Artemis3> well normally anyway, it should have fstab entries for tmpfs
[19:58] <slikts> k1l: yes
[19:59] <slikts> Artemis3: it's a clean 13.10 install and I'm sure /tmp wasn't on tmpfs
[19:59] <Jordan_U> slikts: How are you mounting /tmp/ as tmpfs?
[19:59] <slikts> Jordan_U: sec
[19:59] <Artemis3> /etc/fstab: line such as "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs noatime,nosuid 0 0"
[20:01] <slikts> Jordan_U: http://hastebin.com/pabudabati.hs
[20:01] <slikts> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[20:01] <slikts> maybe I'll try without noexec
[20:01] <failshell> hello. is there an open source tool to manage patches on a farm of ubuntu servers? similar to Spacewalk
[20:02] <yorwos> hi guyz 1 question plz , any1 installed photoshop cs6 through wine ??? my problem is my healing brush+spot healing sometimes they work properly sometimes it does the spot but its not following the arrow , if i undo and redo 2-3 times it works properly any ideas ?
[20:02] <k1l> slikts: noatime instead of noexec
[20:03] <Jordan_U> k1l: Why? noexec seems entirely appropriate for /tmp/, and atime modification seems least likely to cause slowdowns for tmpfs (relative to on-disk filesystems).
[20:04] <k1l> yorwos: best is to ask the wine specialists
[20:04] <k1l> !wine | yorwos
[20:04] <slikts> has anyone used photoshop cs6 in a vm? is it feasible?
[20:04] <dw1> yorwos: you could always try another wine version, playonlinux makes it pretty easy
[20:04] <Jordan_U> slikts: Are you ever mounting /tmp/ after boot, or are you only modifying the fstab and allowing it to be mounted during boot?
[20:05] <slikts> Jordan_U: modifying fstab
[20:05] <k1l> Jordan_U: some scrupts still want to execute stuff in tmp
[20:05] <Artemis3> slikts, i didn't noticed upstream reverted the /tmp in tmpfs by default, so nvm
[20:06] <fballs> does anyone know why ubuntu doesn't ship with a built-in equalizer for pulse?
[20:06] <fballs> it has one, but it's not included in the ubuntu version of pulse
[20:07] <fballs> i don't like using PPA's
[20:07] <CyberGabber> failshell: Maybe this puts you in right direction? http://www.ubuntu.com/management/working-with-landscape , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpdateServer ?
[20:07] <slikts> fballs: what's wrong with ppas
[20:08] <bekks> slikts: they might break your box.
[20:08] <fballs> they also present a security risk
[20:08] <slikts> bekks: yeah and you might get in a traffic accident if you go outside, better never leave your room, right?
[20:09] <bekks> slikts: which has nothing to do with PPA.
[20:09] <slikts> bekks: it's an analogy
[20:09] <failshell> CyberGabber: don't you have to pay for launchpad?
[20:09] <bekks> !ppa | slikts
[20:09] <k1l> slikts: just stay some time in here and see how often PPAs cause trouble. :/
[20:09] <fballs> i'm not trying to start a flame war, the feature is already in pulse, but for some raisin, ubuntu doesn't have it turned on
[20:10] <slikts> bekks: wtf?
[20:10] <fballs> :(
[20:10] <k1l> fballs: maybe file a bug and tell the maintainers to sort that?
[20:10] <CyberGabber> failshell: Don't know, a just seen the demonstration on that link. thats all ;-(
[20:10] <fballs> i guess what i'm saying is, it should be in the official repositories, is it even worth the bother requesting the feature be put in?
[20:12] <skinux> Is there a way to limit results of 'locate' to only executables?
[20:12] <k1l> fballs: for me it sounds like this. file a bug/request and discuss that with the maintainers.
[20:12] <Console> Hey, what would be the safest way to determine which ftp service I'm running? It's on a old machine on Ubuntu 10.04
[20:12] <OerHeks> fballs, exactly your issue >> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/03/install-pulseaudio-with-built-in-system.html > with direct download && ppa solution, i agree, this is a bug :-D
[20:12] <bekks> skinux: No.
[20:13] <skinux> Console: 'sudo netstat -anp' and look through results.
[20:13] <Console> Thanks skinux
[20:13] <fballs> OerHeks, that's where I found the ppa. I'll try submitting a bug request
[20:13] <fballs> thanks guys
[20:14] <fballs> (and girls?)
[20:14] <Jordan_U> fballs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/932834
[20:14] <jaimef> apt-cache search postgresql-client yields postgresql-client-9.3 however apt-get -q -y install postgresql-client=9.3 yields E: Version '9.3' for 'postgresql-client' was not found.
[20:15] <Elcrapocrew> anyone know how I can make ubuntu server edition boot into xfce by default (yes I have X and xfce installed)
[20:15] <slikts> Elcrapocrew: just use ssh for servers
[20:15] <slikts> like a baws
[20:16] <slikts> look at the scrubs using remote desktop from above
[20:16] <k1l> Elcrapocrew: installing a *dm should do a loginscreen by default
[20:16] <Elcrapocrew> slikts: this is a throw away test using virtualbox on a private network no ssh access : (
[20:17] <Jordan_U> fballs: Be sure to mark yourself as affected by the bug.
[20:17] <slikts> Elcrapocrew: punch through the nat, like a baws as well
[20:18]  * slikts deletes his swap partition like a baws
[20:18] <Elcrapocrew> slikts: http://99gifs.com/-img/50475b02afa96f1e19000d41.gif
[20:18] <root___> Hello
[20:19] <OerHeks> !rootirc
[20:19] <fballs> Jordan_U, will do...i'm dong some reading now
[20:19] <root___> I've just booted the lubuntu liveCD (er, livekey) and can't figure out how to join a wireless network. There's an app called "network manager" which asks for a lot of information I don't have.
[20:20] <root___> Is there no way of getting a list of available networks and simply supplying the password, as usual?
[20:20] <Jordan_U> root___: Why are you logged in as root?
[20:20]  * Hfuy_ isn't root anymore, mkay
[20:20] <k1l> root___: you should not be root if this was a lubuntu live cd
[20:20] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: Why are you logged in as root?
[20:20] <k1l> Hfuy_: ubuntu doesnt have an enable root account. so some things dont work with root on ubuntu.
[20:21] <Hfuy_> Panic not, people. I simply ran "sudo xterm" because I tire of typing "sudo" constantly.
[20:21] <jhutchins_wk> I suspect that if he is on a Ubuntu Live CD, he isn't actually running IRC as root.
[20:21] <Hfuy_> Anyway, this wifi issue.
[20:21] <js_doode> hello. running ubuntu 13.10 and needing to source a .bash file in .bash_profile, but it is not working for me.
[20:22] <jhutchins_wk> Hfuy_: Or, then again...
[20:22] <Hfuy_> I had ubuntu on this netbook. It was a bit heavyweight.
[20:22] <jhutchins_wk> Hfuy_: What kind of information is it asking that you don't have?
[20:22] <js_doode> created .bash_profile, then opened it and typed: source /path/to/file.bash
[20:22] <k1l> jhutchins_wk: well, he clearly is. and we dont know what else is running as root and making now problems
[20:22] <Hfuy_> So I thought I'd try lubuntu. But if I need to come up with, what is it, 12 bits of information about every wifi network... no.
[20:22] <jhutchins_wk> Hfuy_: Which version of the live CD BTW?
[20:22] <Hfuy_> Not sure. Downloaded it a few minutes ago.
[20:23] <k1l> Hfuy_: its the same networkmanager like on ubuntu
[20:23] <Hfuy_> On the ubuntu I have on this machine (which is quite old, 12.10 I think) I just get a list of available networks and it asks for a password if it needs one
[20:23] <jhutchins_wk> k1l: Yeah, I see that.
[20:24] <Hfuy_> This arrangement with manually typing in SSIDs and MAC addresses... this isn't actually the normal UI, is it?!
[20:25] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: Don't run your IRC client, or any other application that was not designed to to be run as root, as root. Especially if said application connects to the internet.
[20:25] <jhutchins_wk> Hfuy_: No, that's not standard.
[20:25] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: Please quit and re-join from a client that is not running as root.
[20:26] <Hfuy_> OK, let's take this step by step
[20:26] <Hfuy_> Is there some sort of settings UI I can get which will list the available networks?
[20:26] <[Gentoo]> Jordan_U: he might be on a livecd
[20:26] <pbi> Hi, I just upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10 and xrandr rotate does not work anymore (amd firepro 2460) (black screen, or screen not rotated but mouse pointer is). Has anybody seen a report on this or have a fix ?
[20:26] <Jordan_U> [Gentoo]: They are. They still shouldn't run their IRC client as root.
[20:26] <Hfuy_> I'm on a livecd.
[20:27] <Hfuy_> Well, a live flash key.
[20:27] <[Gentoo]> Jordan_U: a lot of livecds are root by default
[20:27] <Jordan_U> [Gentoo]: None of them are Ubuntu liveCDs, and thus questions relating to their use would be offtopic here anyway.
[20:27] <Hfuy_> Unfortunately, #lubuntu is very quiet.
[20:28] <jhutchins_wk> Nonetheless, that might explain it.
[20:28] <Hfuy_> I wonder if it simply hasn't seen the wifi hardware, which is why it isn't offering a UI.
[20:28] <jhutchins_wk> Hfuy_: lubuntu is ubuntu with an xfce desktop.  Not significantly different.  You may have a different wifi manager though, possibly wicd which I'm not familiar with.
[20:28] <jhutchins_wk> er, s/xfce/lxde.
[20:29] <k1l> lubuntu got networkmanager as default
[20:29] <k1l> that is the same like ubuntu got.
[20:29] <Hfuy_> If I type "ifconfig", I get eth0 and o
[20:29] <Hfuy_> er lo
[20:29] <jhutchins_wk> I know networkmanager's inteface has been pretty much in flux recently.
[20:29] <Hfuy_> I fear it simply hasn't seen the wifi hardware.
[20:29] <jhutchins_wk> It'll work as you would expect one release, then the next is all counterintuitive.
[20:30] <Hfuy_> Are you seriously saying that people are promoting this as a lightweight OS for netbooks, and it doesn't have a stable wifi UI?
[20:30] <k1l> jhutchins_wk: 14.04 lubuntu-dekstop still got the networkmanager-gnome as depencie
[20:30] <Hfuy_> That's absurd.
[20:31] <k1l> Hfuy_: no
[20:31] <Hfuy_> Then what do I press?
[20:31] <k1l> make sure the wificard is enabled and detected
[20:31] <jhutchins_wk> Hfuy_: Yes, I agree it's absurd.
[20:31] <Hfuy_> how/
[20:32] <jhutchins_wk> Hfuy_: It probably wouldn't be prompting you for info if there wasn't a card.
[20:32] <k1l> Hfuy_: sry, a few minutes ago you were the "i know all so i run root when i want" guy. :/
[20:32] <js_doode> googled it and .bash_profile is .profile in ubuntu 13.10. :)
[20:32] <wolfy1339> i just connected a Bluetooth mouse and i cannot use it, do i have to restart to make it work?
[20:32] <jhutchins_wk> Hfuy_: You can use the command line wifi tools to try and diagnose it, but I don't have that particular UI available to try and guess what you're doing and seeing.
[20:32] <Hfuy_> It didn't prompt me, I had to hit a systray icon.
[20:32] <k1l> Hfuy_: see lspci, lsusb, dmesg,
[20:33] <jhutchins_wk> wolfy1339: Elaborate on "connected".  Plugged in or linked?
[20:33] <Hfuy_> I'm mainly a windows guy so the idea that people are still shipping operating systems without wifi support is just... laughable to me.
[20:33] <k1l> rfkill, too
[20:33] <jhutchins_wk> Hfuy_: Also not true.
[20:33] <k1l> Hfuy_: no, it is not
[20:34] <jhutchins_wk> Hfuy_: From what I've seen, the WIndows wireless interfaces are horrible and buggy.
[20:34] <Hfuy_> the XP w
[20:34] <Hfuy_> The XP one was.
[20:34] <Hfuy_> It's OK now.
[20:34] <Jordan_U> !ot | jhutchins_wk Hfuy_
[20:35] <wolfy1339> jhutchins_wk, linked, paired
[20:35] <Hfuy_> What?
[20:35] <k1l> Hfuy_: please decide if you are the computer-guru who runs everything as root, or if you really want help. just ranting in here doesnt help anyone
[20:35] <backbox> yoo guys, quick questiuon. what is the name of the file that csan manage network info? ie it allowed you to set static/dhcp settings without a program.
[20:35] <Hfuy_> I don't care either way, I just want it to work.
[20:35] <Artemis3> Hfuy_, support questions only, you can'r rant here
[20:35] <k1l> backbox: you mean the network manager?
[20:36] <Hfuy_> In any case, one reason I built this flash key was to figure out whether it worked well enough to use, the answer appears to be no, unless anyone has any further suggestions.
[20:36] <Jordan_U> backbox: /etc/network/interfaces
[20:36] <sanity> I need help seting up openvpen certs, not sure if this is the right forum.
[20:36] <k1l> backbox: or the /etc/network/interfaces file/config?
[20:36] <backbox> well, no. the file specific to setting the settings. not the network manager
[20:36] <vmn> openssl
[20:36] <vmn> Can set it up for you
[20:36] <wolfy1339> i just connected (paired, linked) a Bluetooth mouse and i cannot use it, do i have to restart my computer or log out to make it work?
[20:36] <backbox> Jordan_U,  THATS IT
[20:36] <backbox> THASAABNNKKSS
[20:36] <Artemis3> Hfuy_, i suggest, before purchasing anything, check and double check online if the device works with the OS you intend to use.
[20:37] <k1l> Hfuy_: sorry, but i gave you several options to test what is going wrong. you keep making a drama out of it. so please leave
[20:37] <Hfuy_> Artemis3: Well, I've had the netbook for a while. I was looking for something lighter.
[20:37] <[Gentoo]> i think linux isnt for people who have no patience
[20:37] <backbox> k1l,  Jordan_U , thanks guys. i was not recalling. Much thanks
[20:38] <Jordan_U> backbox: You're welcome.
[20:38] <k1l> backbox: no problem :)
[20:38] <Artemis3> Hfuy_, not all hardware works, you have to check beforehand, it might work with effort, or not at all. The hardware that works, works perfectly without doing anything.
[20:39] <Hfuy_> I'm just a bit confused that ubuntu of two and a half years ago worked, whereas this much more up-to-date lubuntu doesn't.
[20:39] <Artemis3> Hfuy_, it its a lubuntu issue perhaps you should join #lubuntu
[20:39] <Artemis3> if
[20:39] <Hfuy_> I have. It's dead,
[20:39] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: What version of Ubuntu is this LiveUSB?
[20:40] <backbox> k1l,  Jordan_U , one other question. what's the group name for the network. I tried adding my user to "network " but network doesn't exist. is the group called something else?
[20:40] <k1l> Hfuy_: Artemis3 last time now: do you have an interesst in technically solving that issue or are you just here to rant about that?
[20:40] <Hfuy_> Jordan_U: I'm not sure what information you need, how do I find that out?
[20:41] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: lsb_release -d
[20:41] <jhutchins_wk> Artemis3: lubuntu is ubuntu with lxde, uses the gnome nm applet, and is supported here.  I don't know why he's not getting the familiar interface, he hasn't been very descriptive, and he hasn't told us of any diagnostics he's tried.
[20:41] <Hfuy_> "Description: Ubuntu 13.10"
[20:42] <jhutchins_wk> Hfuy_: WHat kind of menu do you get if you left-click the wifi icon?
[20:42] <jhutchins_wk> Hfuy_: What choices?  Ditto for right-click?
[20:42] <Hfuy_> I don't see a wifi icon.
[20:42] <k1l> i told where he can get informations about the wifi card and if its detected (or even enabled)
[20:43] <jhutchins_wk> Hfuy_: Then what did you click when you said it was asking for too many items of information?
[20:43] <Hfuy_> I have an icon by the clock at the bottom right which looks like one arrow pointing up, and one arrow pointing down, which I assume is a network related thing.
[20:43] <Hfuy_> If I click it, one of the options is "edit"
[20:44] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: Please pastebin the output of "lspci -vnn".
[20:44] <Hfuy_> This brings up a dialog in which one of the options is "add", which appears to allow me to manually add a wifi network. But I need a ridiculous amount of detailed technical information to fill in all the boxes, and if that's the only UI, then it isn't usable.
[20:45] <Hfuy_> Wait one. That's a lot of text.
[20:45] <jhutchins_wk> Hfuy_: Disparaging the information is not helpful in finding your solution.  You have chosen to add a network manually instead of from scanned data, that's what the system needs to know, one way or another.  It's what any OS needs to know.
[20:46] <jhutchins_wk> Hfuy_: Have you tried right-click instead of left-click?  Also, what Jordan_U asked.
[20:46] <Hfuy_> jhutchins_wk: I've never been required to add that sort of information before. I'm not disparaging anything, please just take it as a limitation of my willingness to put up with inconvenience in order to use a lighter OS.
[20:46] <Hfuy_> Right click just gets me settings on the applet area.
[20:47] <jhutchins_wk> Hfuy_: That's not what's going on.  You're doin' it wrong!  That is the option to add an undetected (silent) network.
[20:47] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: When things are working properly the only information you will need to manually add is the password.
[20:47] <Hfuy_> Jordan_U: Right, OK. That's what I've been trying to establish.
[20:47] <jhutchins_wk> Jordan_U: I'm gonna leave this to you, I don't have a reference copy atm.
[20:48] <wolfy1339> I'm using a surface pro with a type cover and i bought a bluetooth mouse and i paired it, and now how do i use it?
[20:48] <Hfuy_> Apparently I can't paste a URL into irssi, so here it is manually: http://pastebin.com/AKeLjb1x
[20:49] <Hfuy_> Is that what we wanted>
[20:49] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: ctrl+shift+v (depending on what terminal emulator you're using).
[20:49] <Hfuy_> No, that just gives me an inverse-video uppercase V.
[20:50] <Hfuy_> Anyway, is any of this helping?
[20:51] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: You have a broadcom card, which needs firmware to function.
[20:51] <Hfuy_> Er, okay?
[20:52] <Hfuy_> It worked fine under ubuntu, if that helps?
[20:52] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: In the older Ubuntu you presumably installed the firmware (or the proprietary driver).
[20:53] <Hfuy_> Not as far as I recall, but it was some time ago.
[20:53] <Hfuy_> So, er.
[20:53] <Hfuy_> What's the situation.
[20:53] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: Software Center should have a graphical "Additional Drivers" tool which will allow you to install the firmware you need, though I don't have an Ubuntu machine in frot of me to walk you through the interface.
[20:54] <Sn0wCr45h> in 14.04 it's not there anymore
[20:54] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: You'll need to be connected to the internet via ethernet, or you'll need to copy some files over via USB.
[20:54] <Sn0wCr45h> it's the right most tab of software updates i believe
[20:54] <k1l> Hfuy_: see "rfkill list" if it says yes
[20:54] <Hfuy_> I have "software updater"
[20:55] <Sn0wCr45h> additional drivers is the right most tab
[20:55] <Hfuy_> Hmm, no, that just seems to be literally updates for existing stuff.
[20:55] <Sn0wCr45h> sorry software * updates
[20:55] <Sn0wCr45h> software & updates
[20:55] <Sn0wCr45h> in system settings
[20:56] <Hfuy_> I have a list under "get software", a list of installed software and an "apps basket"
[20:56] <nname> how do you make the screen brighter and dim
[20:56] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: Let's just do this via the terminal.
[20:57] <Hfuy_> Oh hang on
[20:57] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[20:57] <Hfuy_> I found an "additional drivers" button
[20:57] <Hfuy_> Apparently it's a single package
[20:58] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[20:58] <Beldar> nname, There is a brightness app, some computers have  key set as well.
[20:58] <Hfuy_> OK, that's happening
[20:59] <nname> whats the brightness app called, my brightness keys arent working. im on a chromebook
[20:59] <Beldar> Sn0wCr45h, #ubuntu+1 is the 14.04 channel.
[20:59] <Hfuy_> Seems to be done.
[20:59] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: Did it give you any prompts?
[20:59] <Hfuy_> nope
[20:59] <Hfuy_> It's been "extracting b43/lcn2bsinitvals25.fw" most recently
[21:00] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: lsmod | grep b43
[21:00] <Sn0wCr45h> cheers Beldar
[21:00] <Hfuy_> Some stuff returned
[21:00] <Hfuy_> none of it really words
[21:00] <Hfuy_> um
[21:00] <Beldar> Sn0wCr45h, Heh, back at yah. ;)
[21:00] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: None of what really works?
[21:00] <Hfuy_> words
[21:00] <Hfuy_> not works
[21:01] <doomlord_> are there any ways of doing something similar to apple airdisplay app (using an ipad as an additional monitor, literally shows up as an extra screen) with ubuntu & an android-tablet: i know of synergy (which is definitely of interest, but its not 100% the same )
[21:01] <Hfuy_> It's hard to express what lsmod returned
[21:01] <gimmic> random question time: If I've traversed into a directory via a symlink, is there a way to quickly 'pop out' to the real full path?
[21:01] <Stamos> Hi
[21:01] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: Please pastebin the output of "nm-tool".
[21:02] <Baribal> Hi. I just tried to apt-get install libapache2-mod-wsgi and got a "subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" for my troubles. How do I figure out what the real problem is and how to fix it?
[21:03] <Hfuy_> one problem I have right now is that it doesn't seem to detect mousedown events when the mouse cursor is moving
[21:03] <zagaza> hi whats the command for copying a file to a new file with a new name?
[21:03] <Hfuy_> makes dragging windows and selecting text very difficult
[21:03] <zagaza> like mv file1 file2 only moves it, how to copy it but just change the name?
[21:03] <Hfuy_> pastebin.com/CbyEnzSe
[21:03] <k1l> zagaza: "cp"
[21:04] <zagaza> thanks k1l
[21:04] <k1l> zagaza: which is short for copy :)
[21:04] <zagaza> got it :)
[21:05] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: Please pastebin the output of "lsmod".
[21:05] <Hfuy_> bear with me
[21:05] <Hfuy_> this mouse weirdness is... weird
[21:06] <Hfuy_> pastebin.com/6XGEbAyP
[21:06] <Jordan_U> gimmic: cd "$(realpath .)"
[21:06] <Jordan_U> gimmic: You'll need to install realpath first.
[21:07] <gimmic> that seems overly complicated
[21:07] <gimmic> cd -P ./ works
[21:09] <Hfuy_> Jordan_U: If you think this is going to take a significant amount of screwing around, I'll just give up and try mint. I'm honestly not making trouble, but this is ridiculous.
[21:10] <Hfuy_> I'm getting the ISO right now, so it'll be a few minutes
[21:10] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: Try "sudo rmmod b43 && sudo modprobe b43".
[21:11] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: D'oh, I gave you the wrong package to install for that card. sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[21:12] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: The graphical widget would have chosen the correct one, for whatever that's worth.
[21:12] <scarrz> greetings all I am trying to start qjackctl and I can start it in the guest session ok! but... when my "user" tries to start it I get: Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory - Cannot connect to server request channel - jack server is not running or cannot be started... I have settings saved somewhere from an old linux install but do not know what to delete to get a "fresh" qjackctl start. help?
[21:15] <Hfuy_> hey
[21:15] <Hfuy_> running that last command locked up the whole OS
[21:15] <Sn0wCr45h> scarrz : try the dudes in #jack, they will undoubtedly know
[21:15] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: That's certainly unexpected.
[21:15] <Hfuy_> didn't want to seem rude by not coming back, but I think we're going to try something else now.
[21:15] <Jordan_U> Hfuy_: OK, good luck.
[21:16] <Console> If I'm ssh'ed through lish, what would be the best way to copy and paste contents of a file I piped an output to?
[21:17] <scarrz> thanks
[21:17] <Console> I can't just right click and select all
[21:18] <k1l> !away > kimiamania|BNC
[21:18] <willwh> Console: http://madebynathan.com/2011/10/04/a-nicer-way-to-use-xclip/
[21:18] <willwh> :)
[21:20] <strigga> Ahoi Maties - anybody got experience with gphoto2?
[21:23] <newuser> Hello...
[21:23] <adrenalink> Hello! I am on a notebook with Ubuntu 12.04 installed, but I can't completely shutdown the system. It seems that Ubuntu can't kill all remaining processes. How can I understand the problem? (google didn't help me.)
[21:23] <newuser> I was wondering if you guys could help me out with some unity settings?
[21:25] <newuser> I use two monitors and don't want to spend ~40 pixels between them so I disabled the launcher for my right screen. Is there a way to get the search back on the right screen that doesn't involve the dock?
[21:26] <newuser> is that possible or should I use another DE?
[21:28] <hylian> hello all
[21:29] <Sn0wCr45h> newuser : what are you trying to do ? have the launch bar on the left screen and just the searcg tool on the righ?
[21:29] <newuser> yea...
[21:29] <newuser> or both
[21:29] <newuser> depending on what is possible...
[21:29] <raub> adrenalink: see if you can still connect to the different terminal displays; one might be showing the system or other logs
[21:29] <Sn0wCr45h> hummm ... you can have full launcher on both but not just the search as far as i know
[21:30] <hylian> anyone know why audio skips sometimes on ubuntu?
[21:30] <newuser> I tried using autohide but it messed up mouse movement and I couldn't move things across screens
[21:31] <Sn0wCr45h> turn off sticky edges
[21:31] <Sn0wCr45h> it really does my head in
[21:31] <adrenalink> raub: no I can't. The last message I can see on the screen is that the system is powering off
[21:32] <adrenalink> raub: it  fails to kill all remaining processes
[21:35] <adrenalink> raub: I have been able to stop the Xserver and I tried to shutdown from a simple user mode screen. It also fails, but I can read the "dmesg". It says: "plymouth-upstart-bridge main process terminated with status 1"
[21:47] <shawnbon206> hey guys, i just did my first dist-upgrade after install, then the grub menu showed on the next boot, but not on every boot after that. can anyone explain?
[21:49] <Sn0wCr45h> if you hold shit at boot you can get it back up
[21:51] <shawnbon206_> http://hastebin.com/labihuqoma.vhdl
[21:56] <Preytell> Can someone tell me what the vmad-bin process is?
[21:57] <Preytell> nm, found it.
[21:57] <Preytell> man that was starting to drive me nuts.
[21:57] <kbrosnan> not virual mutually assured destruction i assume
[22:01] <Jordan_U> shawnbon206: Please pastebin your /etc/default/grub.
[22:02] <shawnbon206_> http://hastebin.com/gepepulotu.vala
[22:03] <shawnbon206_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1258597 i guess its documented here
[22:05] <shawnbon206_> what should i put it on if i only want a second to popup the menu if i need it in a recovery situation? grub_hidden_timeout=1 grub_timeout=0 ?
[22:06] <Jordan_U> shawnbon206: So you want the menu to always show for one second, and continue booting if there is no key press within that second?
[22:06] <mrkie> hey
[22:07] <mrkie> i remove a couple of packages with the ubuntu software center but now there is still a title left in the ubuntu software center when i pop down the button netxt to all software or installed, how can i remove it? because there are no packages related to it installed anymore
[22:08] <SuckAWein> i guess ubuntu's the better distro after all
[22:08] <SuckAWein> I was in the #debian channel
[22:08] <SuckAWein> and the ops there suck so much dick it makes paris hilton look like an anorexic trying to eat a sausage
[22:09] <willwh> bazhang++
[22:09] <shawnbon206_> wow, you think people would have better things to do than to see how many channels they can get banned from
[22:09] <k1l_> !guidelines | SuckAWein this channel is not for trolling, and ranting and foul language too
[22:09] <k1l_> !guidelines | SuckAWein
[22:10] <willwh> k1l_: he's gone
[22:10] <shawnbon206_> ok i made some changes to grub settings, gonna reboot and see what it looks like
[22:10] <Jordan_U> shawnbon206: First please pastebin your changes so I can check that they make sense.
[22:10] <Beldar> !narcissist ;)
[22:11] <shawnbon206_> http://hastebin.com/lupuyeceqe.ini
[22:13] <Jordan_U> shawnbon206: It would be more clear to use GRUB_TIMEOUT=1 and GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden .
[22:13] <Jordan_U> shawnbon206: (Completely removing GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT).
[22:14] <shawnbon206_> Jordan_U: will that still give me a chance to press shift to enter the menu when i need it?
[22:14] <Jordan_U> shawnbon206_: Escape rather than shift, but yes.
[22:15] <shawnbon206_> will it detect it if its simlpy held down right after POST? or do i need to spam it by pressing esc rapido :P
[22:16] <Jordan_U> shawnbon206_: I don't know. My guess would be the former, and if that is not the case then I can tell you how to accomplish what you want.
[22:16] <shawnbon206_> ok i will try it brb
[22:20] <hotmedal> I tried maximus on gnome 3.8.4 and did some other stuff like editing /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml . Now when I maximize firefox or nautilus, it goes blank, but I can still click on the things in it.
[22:20] <Beldar>  hotmedal What ubuntu release?
[22:20] <hotmedal> saucy
[22:23] <Beldar> hotmedal, You in the gnome shell or fallback?
[22:23] <hotmedal> I'm in gnome
[22:23] <Beldar> hotmedal, which one, do you understand the question?
[22:24] <hotmedal> I don't think I do
[22:24] <hotmedal> there is only one option for gnome on my login
[22:24] <Beldar> hotmedal, Is this a gnome ubuntu install or the standard with the unity desktop and you have installed the shell or fallback desktops?
[22:25] <Beldar> there is a gnome only install is why I ask
[22:25] <hotmedal> oh, it's a unity install, I installed gnome and xfce
[22:25] <Beldar> hotmedal, Did you remove unity?
[22:25] <hotmedal> no
[22:26] <Beldar> hotmedal, Ah, the only one de at the login is a misnomer, you know of the dropdown right? just trying to get on the same page and check some things people commonly do like de removal.
[22:27] <ahadnumber2> hotmedal whatdo you need assistance with again?
[22:27] <hotmedal> yes, some people had multiple gnomes
[22:27] <hotmedal> ahadnumber2:  I tried maximus on gnome 3.8.4 and did some other stuff like editing /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml . Now when I maximize firefox or nautilus, it goes blank, but I can still click on the things in it.
[22:27] <Beldar> hotmedal, How did you install gnome?
[22:27] <jpjacobs> Using DD: If not using seek or skip, it does not matter that much which blocksize dd uses, no? but speed of course, on a healthy drive?
[22:28] <hotmedal> Beldar: apt-get on 13.04, then upgraded to 13.10
[22:29] <Beldar> hotmedal, I mean the command or way gnome got installed, in 13.10 the gnome-shell is actually the ubuntu-gnome-desktop. Just trying to figure out if something is missing is all.
[22:30] <shawnbon206> Jordan_U i set it like this http://hastebin.com/wukahoxeco.ini and now its perfect for a single boot machine. there is a blinking cursor right in the top right corner which indicates when i should press esc. i can enter then menu 100% of the time without any added boot time
[22:30] <hotmedal> Beldar: I installed gnome-shell in 13.04, used it for a long time then upgraded ubuntu from the update manager, no reinstall of gnome if that's what you're asking
[22:31] <shawnbon206> theres still a moment when i see grub start to draw itself on screen but thats purely a cosmetic complaint. not worth fixing
[22:32] <Beldar> hotmedal, Cool, seems, as a guess on my part the de mods are the issue, I have never tried the maximus app.
[22:32] <shawnbon206> Linux is so awesome :)
[22:32] <hotmedal> Beldar: do you mean the extensions?
[22:34] <Beldar> hotmedal, extensions can be problematic, I use the shell and have a handful of the extensions. I was not commenting on that as we never discussed it. I mean adding maximus and this " and did some other stuff like editing /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml"
[22:35] <hotmedal> yeah that was what caused the problem. It wouldn't have if maximus had worked like it was supposed to
[22:36] <Beldar> hotmedal, You can reverse all you have done, and maybe start with maximus and help with it again, thats my general path. Anyway I'm not really helping you here, hope you get it figured out. ;)
[22:38] <hotmedal> thanks nonetheless
[22:40] <Jordan_U> shawnbon206: I'm not sure why you keep insisting on using the depricated GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT. It shouldn't hurt anything, but at the same time it's completely unneeded.
[22:46] <shawnbon206> Jordan_U youre right i commented it out and it had no effect. 0 is the default if its not otherwise set
[22:47] <shawnbon206> then the grubhiddentimeoutquiet option doesnt need to be there if its set to 0, because it cant show something for 0 second :)
[22:51] <Wug> does anyone have any experience with GTK
[22:52] <Jordan_U> shawnbon206: Just to confuse you more, even with "GRUB_TIMEOUT=10" you'd still never have the menu show unless shift was held, as the default for Ubuntu is to hide the menu (with zero timeout) in this way. In fact it's probably safer to use GRUB_TIMEOUT=10.
[22:52] <Wug> I find myself in a bit of a bind because it looks like unity is eating (or perhaps just not emitting) the iconify event when you minimize a window, leaving me without a way to detect it
[22:53] <Sampei> Ciao a tutti
[22:53] <Jordan_U> Wug: It's standard for compositing window managers, so that they can show previews of "minimized" windows.
[22:54] <zubuntu> hello
[22:54] <zubuntu> i am trying to setup icecast2 radio broadcasting with mixxx
[22:54] <Jordan_U> Wug: What do you plan for your app to do when it becomes minimized?
[22:54] <zubuntu> but MP3 LAME encoder doesnt work or doesnt exist
[22:55] <zubuntu> can somebody help me pls ?
[22:55] <zubuntu> it was just copy paste LAME_enc.dll in program files broadcaster folder in windows but i dont know how to do that with ubuntu
[22:56] <kostkon> !info libmp3lame0
[22:56] <Jordan_U> zubuntu: sudo apt-get install libmp3lame0
[22:56] <zubuntu> thank u Jordan_U  :)
[22:56] <Jordan_U> zubuntu: You're welcome.
[22:56] <zubuntu> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:56] <zubuntu> means already have it ?
[22:57] <shawnbon206> Jordan_U setting it to 10 and rebooting... shows menu for 10 seconds
[22:58] <zubuntu> Jordan_U:  it is still giving error :S
[22:58] <zubuntu> Mixxx cannot record or stream in MP3 without the MP3 encoder "lame".
[22:59] <Wug> Jordan_U: I've got several windows and need them to minimize simultaneously
[22:59] <zubuntu> is there any tutorial about that ?
[22:59] <Wug> i.e. user minimizes one, all minimize
[22:59] <zubuntu> i am googling but cant find :S
[22:59] <Jordan_U> shawnbon206: Please pastebin your complete /etc/default/grub. Unfortunately the hiding of the grub menu by default is not an upstream feature, and was never properly integrated with /etc/default/grub.
[22:59] <jhutchins> Wug: ctrl-alt-d?
[23:00] <Sn0wCr45h> zubuntu I use butt for streaming to icecast servers, but i believe it's only available on 12.04
[23:00] <zubuntu> Sn0wCr45h:   i think mixxx should broadcast too but couldnt set mp3 lame thingy :S
[23:01] <qin> Wug: move to other workspace to hide naughty stuff
[23:01] <Cygnus-X1> Anybody else having a problem with libreoffice segfaulting?
[23:01] <zubuntu> Sn0wCr45h:  what do u use for encoder ?
[23:01] <Wug> qin: I'm writing an application, not hiding my porn
[23:01] <Sn0wCr45h> i had a look at mixx .. but the driver support for my external soundcard is not great and as such i can't use my decks and timecode vinyl
[23:01] <zubuntu> ogg vorbis or MP3 ?
[23:01] <qin> Wug: it was due to lack of better adjective.
[23:01] <Wug> I have a "master" window, and a "slave" window that has no title bar
[23:02] <Wug> they are both fullscreen windows
[23:02] <Sn0wCr45h> i don't stream from the device thats runnin g my mixing software
[23:02] <shawnbon206_> Jordan_U: http://hastebin.com/mapebaxame.vala
[23:02] <Sn0wCr45h> so jack and butt
[23:02] <Wug> when I minimize the master, the slave should also minimize
[23:02] <Wug> this is an in-depth-y sort of a gtk question
[23:02] <Wug> the usual method does not work, because unity breaks it
[23:03] <zubuntu> Sn0wCr45h:  i have a free account from internet radio server
[23:03] <Sn0wCr45h> and as far as I know jack encodes my line in for but to stream in MP3
[23:03] <Sn0wCr45h> butt**
[23:03] <qin> Wug: there is swith in Apperance: http://askubuntu.com/questions/364424/superd-key-shortcut-does-not-show-desktop-in-ubuntu-13-10
[23:04] <Jordan_U> shawnbon206_: Ok, I guess I need to look at recent changes Ubuntu has made. Feel free to go back to what was working for you :)
[23:04] <zubuntu> so Sn0wCr45h  u use a device not server right ?
[23:04] <Sn0wCr45h> but if you have sound on the device you could just go with pulse audio and butt
[23:04] <Sn0wCr45h> no i stream to bot shoutcast and icecast with that
[23:04] <Wug> qin: I don't want to minimize every window, just the specific slave window associated with the master
[23:05] <zubuntu> hmm
[23:05] <shawnbon206_> Jordan_U: grub 2.02~beta2-8 on trusty btw
[23:06] <zubuntu> i guess if it doesnt work with mixxx i dont think it works with them either
[23:06] <Sn0wCr45h> and it's just software this end ... could just as easily be an mp3 rather than a dj'd input
[23:06] <zubuntu> it s mp3 lame issue i bet
[23:08] <Cygnus-X1> huh.  Fixed it, apparently.  rm -rf .config/libreoffice then apt-get autoremove libreoffice, then apt-get install libreoffice-calc libreoffice-writer
[23:10] <zubuntu> Sn0wCr45h:  i couldnt even install butt lol
[23:10] <Sn0wCr45h> i think it's only available for 12.04
[23:11] <zubuntu> i am using 12.04 already
[23:11] <qin> Wug: only Devilspie comes to my head, yet never used it with gnome3/unity
[23:11] <Sn0wCr45h> ok .. shouldn't have any probs installing it .. what error you get?
[23:12] <Wug> qin: that's a standalone program, not a GTK function call or something similar.  In any case, I suspect it listens for the exact event which is currently not working and will probably fail to detect minimized windows when running under unity
[23:17] <JamesMoriarty> Hi
[23:17] <kostkon> JamesMoriarty, hi
[23:18] <zubuntu> cant do it :S
[23:18] <zubuntu> Sn0wCr45h:   can u tell me how can i install butt ?
[23:20] <Sn0wCr45h> pm'd you a link to a walk through
[23:21] <awc737> why do Ubuntu OVZ templates feel so incomplete
[23:21] <awc737> locale is not set, there are weird ssl issues I never have experienced with a normal ubuntu install
[23:30] <ahaddatechinicia> will trusty use mir display manager?
[23:35] <justin_zw> Anyone know how to stop xchat-gnome from joining this literally every time I open it?
[23:36] <Beldar> justin_zw, remove the auto join
[23:36] <justin_zw> Where's that setting located?
[23:36] <justin_zw> I'm still a bit Linux stupid.
[23:37] <Beldar> justin_zw, In the first gui right side is a edit button, it leads to several options including autojoin
[23:38] <Beldar> I use hexchat a fork so going by memory
[23:42] <D3RP> hey peoples
[23:43] <justin_zw> I think I found a version that is highly unsupported or documented
[23:43] <justin_zw> So I'm just gonna go ahead and uninstall this and get that hexfork client you mentioned.
[23:44] <D3RP> So ive been having some issues, if anyone can help http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fad1e965/
[23:46] <D3RP> anyone?
[23:47] <D3RP> Ok, there 1526 people in this chatroom and not one other person is talking?
[23:47] <jpds> D3RP: Never heard of that package.
[23:48] <Beldar> D3RP, This a tar install from firefox rather than the repos?
[23:48] <D3RP> well that doesnt matter, i just need a command  to remov eone specific package
[23:48] <jpds> D3RP: sudo dpkg -P firefox-mozilla-build
[23:48] <D3RP> eg. no apt-get remove
[23:48] <Beldar> D3RP, Really, you will not answer questions, lol.
[23:49] <Beldar> what a dork
[23:49] <kostkon> D3RP, is it on ubuntu or debian?
[23:49] <jpds> Beldar: Dude, that was uncalled for.
[23:49] <D3RP> debain
[23:49] <kostkon> !debian | D3RP
[23:49] <kostkon> eer
[23:49] <Beldar> jpds, thanks daddy, lol
[23:49] <kostkon> D3RP, we only support ubuntu here
[23:49] <awc737> is it possible ubuntu will ever stop depending on debian?
[23:49] <D3RP> wel the guys in the debain sever wont help, so i figured next best thing
[23:50] <jpds> awc737: No.
[23:50] <justin_zw> Just wanted to say I just installed HexChat and can already tell this is much easier to use.
[23:50] <bazhang> D3RP, you're not in the channel
[23:50] <justin_zw> Thanks for mentioning it. Just wanted to say that.
[23:50] <D3RP> yeah, im in ubuntu
[23:50] <awc737> so in a way does canonical support debian? or help maintain it
[23:50] <bazhang> D3RP, /join #debian
[23:50] <jpds> awc737: Nothing to do with Canonical.
[23:51] <Beldar> awc737, This is support not Q&A.
[23:51] <D3RP> I just said theyre not helping
[23:51] <D3RP> thats why im here
[23:51] <jpds> D3RP: Right, and we can only help you with Ubuntu problems.
[23:51] <D3RP> well i just need a command to remove a specific program
[23:51] <jpds> D3RP: Already gave it to you.
[23:51] <jpds> D3RP: 23:48:40 < jpds> D3RP: sudo dpkg -P firefox-mozilla-build
[23:51] <D3RP> it didnt work
[23:52] <jpds> D3RP: Define "didn't work".
[23:52] <teward> D3RP, if you're using Debian you'll need a Debian channel, or ##linux
[23:52] <teward> D3RP, the other thing is "didn't work" is ambiguous, we need more details about what exactly you're seeing it say/do
[23:52] <D3RP> http://paste.debian.net/91099/
[23:53] <zubuntu> how to completely remove installed programs in ubuntu ?
[23:53] <Beldar> zubuntu, purge
[23:53] <jpds> zubuntu: apt-get remove --purge <program>
[23:53] <Xtremeasure> ^
[23:53] <zubuntu> i did purge
[23:53] <Beldar> zubuntu, IE sudo apt-get purge 'app'
[23:53] <pimpim> jpds,apt-get purge <program> is the same
[23:53] <jpds> pimpim: I know.
[23:53] <pimpim> ok
[23:53] <zubuntu> and then re-installed but still it has previous configuration
[23:54] <D3RP> THANK YOU jpds
[23:54] <Beldar> zubuntu, What is it?
[23:54] <D3RP> no idea
[23:54] <teward> D3RP, if you can see what it says it says to reinstall it first.
[23:54] <jpds> zubuntu: Then it's probably a default configuration.
[23:54] <zubuntu> mixxx
[23:54] <teward> D3RP, having said this, you're still on Debian, not Ubuntu, you really should be talking to #debian on OFTC or ##linux
[23:54] <kostkon> zubuntu, look for any hidden config folders in your home folder, maybe in ~/.config
[23:55] <zubuntu> where is the program files location of ubuntu?
[23:55] <zubuntu> usr/lib  ?
[23:55] <kostkon> zubuntu, or look for ~/.mixxx if it exists   ~/ means your home folder ie  /home/yourusername
[23:55] <jpds> zubuntu: Oh, you'll have to find out where it keeps user configurations in your home folder.
[23:55] <Beldar> zubuntu, use ctrl-h to show hidden, and look in .config as suggested.
[23:55] <zubuntu> ok
[23:55] <jpds> zubuntu: apt-get only purges things in /etc/
[23:55] <zubuntu> ~/.mixxx
[23:56] <zubuntu> found it
[23:56] <Sn0wCr45h> zubuntu : it will a hidden folder in home or a sub dir there
[23:56] <zubuntu> hm
[23:56] <zubuntu> i deleted inside ~/.mixxx
[23:56] <Guest29086> before i installed ubuntu 13.10 both of my external monitor was full screen and my laptop monitor had a border on the sides but now the external monitor has a border on the left side and the laptop has a border on both sides.  it is set at the only resolution where the settings will allow it
[23:56] <zubuntu> i hope it fix
[23:57] <Beldar> Guest29086, Have you updated and checked the additional drivers?
[23:57] <Guest29086> i have updates not check for additional drivers how do i do that
[23:58] <Beldar> Guest29086, upgrade first then look in software sources, last tab
[23:58] <Guest29086> Beldar,  do i need to reboot