[11:03] <agliv5> Lienus, but I can try reinstalling the newest kernel, rebooting and starting from scratch... if you could help me clean things up first...
[11:03] <VrilutZa> need help how to diseble ipv6 in ubuntu?
[11:03] <faemir_> k3ks, shouldnt be, but try reinstalled the whole gnome desktop
[11:03] <LiENUS> one sec agliv5
[11:04] <tom__> cheeseboy16: it crashes because you haven't set it up correctly, or you don't have 3D graphics capability.
[11:04] <k3ks> faemir_: i'll try
[11:04] <k3ks> be back later
[11:04] <faemir_> k3ks, ok
[11:04] <hairulfr> livingdaylight_: That sucks :( Buy your cd's instead :)
[11:04] <LiENUS> agliv5, how did you install the kernel headers?
[11:04] <LiENUS> agliv5,  did you install kernel-headers-386? or kernel-headers-2.6.17-10?
[11:05] <VrilutZa> how to diseble ipv6 in ubuntu?
[11:05] <LiENUS> !ipv6 | VrilutZa
[11:05] <ubotu> VrilutZa: To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[11:05] <albacker> guys i get smth like this everytime i need to install smth using apt-get what to do : http://rafb.net/p/UkuNkc67.html
[11:05] <faemir_> is ubotu a bot by anychance?
[11:05] <livingdaylight_> hairulfr, no way...i've downloaded more albums than i could otherwise afford. Its fun sharing too. Must just avoid C.R.A.P
[11:05] <LiENUS> faemir_, yes
[11:05] <Lunar_Lamp> faemir_, yes '=_
[11:05] <livingdaylight_> hairulfr, http://youtube.com/watch?v=YKI_w_VBoTQ
[11:05] <Qzr> !fixres
[11:05] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:06] <LiENUS> the ! things work for anyone
[11:06] <tom__> faemir_: shh it can hear you!
[11:06] <faemir_> it was a rhetorical question
[11:06] <tom__> faemir_: don't offend it!
[11:06] <tom__> hehehee
[11:06] <mon^rch> anyone reccommend a program to loop a sound file?
[11:06] <faemir_> tom__, good point :(
[11:06] <flounder> hey, can anyone help me out with a dvd drive problem?  i'm new to linux and for some reason, it's not reading the dvd-rw drive that i just put in the computer...anyone able to help?
[11:06] <mx259> what should i tipe in essid field?
[11:06] <faemir_> tom__, we can take it down together ;)
[11:06] <Advanced> k guys, i have the ubuntu iso and i've been trying like mad to install it without burning a disc (as my writer is shafted)
[11:06] <VrilutZa> thanks
[11:06] <tom__> flounder: not reading it as in not playing a dvd? or files?
[11:06] <Advanced> anyone got a little time to help a newborn out?
[11:06] <Advanced> :)
[11:07] <flounder> it's not reading the dvd's...like movies
[11:07] <LiENUS> !install | Advanced
[11:07] <ubotu> Advanced: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[11:07] <faemir_> flounder, can it read normal cds
[11:07] <Advanced> already been through it mate
[11:07] <tom__> !dvd | flounder
[11:07] <ubotu> flounder: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:07] <faemir_> ubotu, shut up.
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shut up. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <tom__> flounder: follow that guide
[11:07] <faemir_> hahaha
[11:07] <Advanced> i'm still having a little trouble and trust me, i've tried :S
[11:07] <faemir_> qdb time
[11:07] <Skuller> lol
[11:08] <LiENUS> Advanced, have you tried a net install?
[11:08] <flounder> alright, i'll see if that works...thanks
[11:08] <Advanced> title Install Ubuntu main
[11:08] <Advanced> kernel (hd0,0)/boot/linux vga=normal ramdisk_size=14972 root=/dev/rd/0 rw --
[11:08] <Advanced> initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.gz
[11:08] <Advanced> title bennie wins
[11:08] <Advanced> kernel (hd0,0)/ubuntu/casper/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 devfs=mount,dall ramdisk_size=17000
[11:08] <livingdaylight_> tom__, you sure? i think m4a stands for mpeg 4 audio and is not itunes
[11:08] <Advanced> initrd (hd0,0)/ubuntu/casper/initrd.gz
[11:08] <Advanced> title bennie tries again
[11:08] <hairulfr> livingdaylight_: I've got over 400 cds, only a couple of them has copy-protection, and none of it works. So... Well, whatever, I rather like having the cds.
[11:08] <Advanced> kernel (hd0,0)/ubuntu/casper/vmlinuz vga=normal ramdisk_size=14972 root=/dev/rd/0 rw --
[11:08] <Advanced> initrd (hd0,0)/ubuntu/casper/initrd.gz
[11:08] <tom__> !pastebin | advanced
[11:08] <ubotu> advanced: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:08] <Advanced> yup
[11:08] <LiENUS> !pastebin | Advanced
[11:08] <ubotu> Advanced: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:08] <agliv5> Lienus, I don't remember, it was an automatic update of the stuff I had installed and afterwards kqemu nolonger worked... but I had the headers -386 -generic and one other installed in versions -10 -11 and -16-50 <-- not too sure bout the version on that last one...
[11:08] <mx259> rmd_ what should i tipe in essid field?
[11:08] <Advanced> my apologies
[11:08] <Advanced> :(
[11:08] <jexdaw1> ubotu, disabling myself and spending the rest of oblivion in a robotic grave
[11:08] <jexdaw1> didn't work :(
[11:09] <Skuller> !ubotu | ubotu
[11:09] <ubotu> ubotu: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:09] <Advanced> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5484/
[11:09] <saras> i wrote "sudo dpkg -i skype_debian-<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb"      it isnt good?
[11:09] <armadill0> How can I use command line ftp to download all files at an ftp site?  I've read the man pages, and it doesn't seem aparent, thanks in advance
[11:09] <Advanced> now i've noticed the prototype install.exe
[11:09] <saras> i wrote "sudo dpkg -i skype_debian-<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb"      it isnt good?
[11:09] <Advanced> but i dont want to have to redownload 600 meg
[11:09] <LiENUS> saras, are you in the directory of skype_debian-<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb?
[11:09] <saras> o fuck :)
[11:10] <PwcrLinux> !language
[11:10] <tom__> saras: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[11:10] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:10] <Skuller> !language | saras
[11:10] <ubotu> saras: please see above
[11:10] <tom__> rofl!
[11:10] <livingdaylight_> tom__, that is why i have no problem playing it. I think the problem is with gnomebaker not being abloeltop burn it
[11:10] <patrick_> i messed up trying to network a printer, and now i cannot open the printing box, from the system>preferences menu
[11:10] <patrick_> how can i restore it?
[11:11] <faemir_> ubotu: the meaning of life
[11:11] <ubotu> the: Full-screen character mode text editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1-4 (edgy), package size 277 kB, installed size 796 kB
[11:11] <faemir_> aww :(
[11:11] <Advanced> any idea's gents? i've tried a net install, i've tried a cd install with manipulating it to read from the file/folders
[11:11] <Advanced> :S
[11:11] <faemir_> i was hoping for some kinda of easter egg ;)
[11:11] <robbiev> is there a daemon that will normalize all audio output going to my speakers?
[11:11] <LiENUS> Advanced,  what failed in the net install?
[11:11] <Skuller> lol
[11:11] <faemir_> ubotu: gnubuntu
[11:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:11] <LiENUS> Advanced,  net install is usually quite reliable
[11:11] <Advanced> it didnt "fail" so to speak
[11:11] <hairulfr> robbiev: There is one for OGG
[11:11] <riley> !webcam
[11:11] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[11:11] <Advanced> it brought me into some form of command line interface
[11:12] <faemir_> the joys of breaking ubotu
[11:12] <Advanced> of which i had no idea what to enter
[11:12] <Skuller> lol
[11:12] <livingdaylight_> tom__, dude, you've gone very quite on me....
[11:12] <robbiev> hairulfr, I'm referring to audio that is playing, not re-encoding existing audio.
[11:12] <Skuller> livingdaylight_*quiet u mean
[11:12] <livingdaylight_> tom__, i think you were wrong about prempting it to be an itunes drm file
[11:12] <LiENUS> Advanced, ?
[11:12] <faemir_> livingdaylight_, that's because he's using thought communication instead
[11:12] <faemir_> ubotu: amaroK
[11:12] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[11:12] <Advanced> i already answered you :s
[11:12] <faemir_> :O outdated info!
[11:13] <faemir_> 1.4.4 for dapper
[11:13] <tom__> livingdaylight_: there is no support for that format. it may be an unprotected aac file, so install aac support.
[11:13] <faemir_> sacriligious
[11:13] <Advanced> [10:11pm]  <Advanced> it didnt "fail" so to speak
[11:13] <Advanced> [10:11pm]  <Advanced> it brought me into some form of command line interface
[11:13] <Skuller> ubotu: ubotu version
[11:13] <Advanced> [10:11pm]  <Advanced> of which i had no idea what to enter
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubotu version - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <hairulfr> robbiev: It doesn't recode,
[11:13] <faemir_> ubotu: ubuntu
[11:13] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[11:13] <barata> anybody has 80GB ipod working with linux?
[11:13] <barata> gtkpod?
[11:13] <faemir_> ubotu: nubuntu
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <LiENUS> Advanced,  that can mean more than one thing
[11:13] <faemir_> ha!
[11:13] <tom__> faemir_: please leave ubotu alone, you're spamming the channel.
[11:13] <agliv5> LiENUS, my past post was addressed incorrectly -> Lienus, ... Anyway would you suggest I try to fix the problem unter kernel -11 or go back to -10?
[11:13] <faemir_> tom__, sorry :P
[11:14] <robbiev> hairulfr, are you referring to ogg the file format?
[11:14] <patrick_> how do you restore things such as the printing services?
[11:14] <pollywog> anyone know why nvidia won't load for custom kernels?
[11:14] <tom__> faemir_: open up a private dialogue with it ;D
[11:14] <Advanced> ...it unfortunatley means nothing to me
[11:14] <Advanced> :(
[11:14] <qwerty967> does grsync work with ssh?
[11:14] <faemir_> tom__, phat!
[11:14] <tom__> pollywog: you don't have the nvidia kernel modules installed?
[11:14] <hairulfr> robbiev: Yes
[11:15] <tom__> qwerty967: i believe it does.
[11:15] <pollywog> tom__: I installed them
[11:15] <jexdaw1> what is the directory path to get to the ~/Themes folder?
[11:15] <pollywog> for my custom kernel
[11:15] <LiENUS> jexdaw1, ?
[11:15] <faemir_> general question: i would love to convert all my mp3s to ogg, but does anyone know if any of the big personal mp3 players play oggs as well?
[11:15] <aimtrainer> hi someone called linxeh or simliar to that helped me a good time. Now after reboot it works, but I cant find him here anymore - anybody knows who I mean? I at least wanna thank him
[11:15] <tom__> pollywog: you're sure they are running?
[11:15] <qwerty967> what do I put it for the source/destination?
[11:15] <jexdaw1> i'm trying to extract a theme i just downloaded into my themes folder. where is it?
[11:15] <LiENUS> faemir_, there are some that do, you have to check the features of each
[11:15] <LiENUS> jexdaw1, theme for gnome?
[11:15] <tom__> faemir_: i wouldn't transcode from mp3 to ogg, you will lose sound quality. both are lossy formats.
[11:15] <jexdaw1> yes
[11:16] <qwerty967> it seems that grsync works withlocal directories only
[11:16] <tom__> jexdaw1: ~/.themes
[11:16] <pollywog> ii  nvidia-kernel-2.6.17-v1                    1.0.8776-0ubuntu3+2.6.17-v1-10.00
[11:16] <LiENUS> pull up System->Preferences->Theme
[11:16] <faemir_> tom__, my mp3s are 320 kbps - i would be happy with 128 kbps
[11:16] <LiENUS> jexdaw1, pull up System->Preferences->Theme
[11:16] <LiENUS> jexdaw1, then click "install theme"
[11:16] <tom__> pollywog: i don't know what else to say, i don't run a custom kernel or nvidia graphics cards sorry ;)
[11:16] <hairulfr> robbiev: There a lot of tools to do this, probably on all output too
[11:16] <Advanced> lol, great, the prototype install.exe wont connect to the tracker
[11:16] <Advanced> x.x
[11:16] <LiENUS> jexdaw1,  you can select the compressed file
[11:16] <pollywog> tom__: ty
[11:17] <pollywog> I will just run a stock kerne;
[11:17] <tom__> pollywog: works for most ;)
[11:17] <ElbridgeGerry> Can someone here help me with qsynaptics?
[11:17] <Qzr> Which XGL should i use?
[11:17] <faemir_> hehe, ubotu doesn't say anything about goobuntu ;)
[11:17] <k3ks> re
[11:17] <LiENUS> Qzr, what do you mean?
[11:17] <jexdaw1> lienus, when i do that, it doesn't show the file (which is 44539-buuf-fix.tar.gz) in the install theme dialogue.
[11:17] <faemir_> k3ks, any luck?
[11:17] <k3ks> faemir_: no
[11:17] <tom__> Qzr: beryl is very nice. read the beryl wiki.
[11:17] <agliv5> LiENUS, I found a copy of the error that I was getting Error inserting kqemu (/lib/modules/2.6.17-11-generic/misc/kqemu.ko): Invalid module format
[11:17] <faemir_> :|
[11:17] <hairulfr> Qzr :AIGLX is stable, IMO and experience
[11:17] <Qzr> tom__, kk
[11:17] <LiENUS> jexdaw1, click on "Desktop"
[11:17] <pollywog> what exactly is beryl?
[11:17] <faemir_> k3ks, try uninstalling the kde desktop as well
[11:17] <hairulfr> AIXGL
[11:17] <jexdaw1> aha! thanks lienus
[11:18] <faemir_> pollywog, ask ubotu
[11:18] <pollywog> k
[11:18] <tom__> omg
[11:18] <tom__> :l
[11:18] <barata> beryl --> eye candy for childish users
[11:18] <LiENUS> jexdaw1,  firefox by default saves downloads to ~/Desktop but most dialogs start in ~/
[11:18] <ElbridgeGerry> pollywog: Graphical improvements to X
[11:18] <k3ks> faemir_: actually i didn't reinstalld it, becaus i couldn't uninstall it because he said it wasn't installed ^^
[11:18] <k3ks> faemir_: thats my problem
[11:18] <faemir_> k3ks, try installing it anyway :\
[11:18] <jexdaw1> i see. thanks lienus -i've got it working
[11:18] <ElbridgeGerry> barata: Eye candy sells. Windows Vista, anyone?
[11:18] <LiENUS> barata, install beryl, defaults settings then move your mouse to the upper right hand corner and tell me beryl is nothing but eye candy
[11:18] <k3ks> faemir_: i did
[11:18] <tom__> barata: yes and Qzr wants to install it. any more insults for him?
[11:18] <faemir_> k3ks, tried xubuntu?
[11:18] <k3ks> faemir_: no
[11:18] <tom__> barata: don't be rude.
[11:18] <dm> Beryl is awesome LiENUS
[11:19] <qwerty967> what do i type in the destination field to access ssh in grsync?
[11:19] <hairulfr> barata: Beryl rules, and is useful
[11:19] <faemir_> k3ks, do that, it's virtually identical to gnome but much more efficient
[11:19] <barata> phuck beryl ... it's buggy ... better the old one, how you call that?
[11:19] <dm> LiENUS doesnt matter if its eyecandy, eyecandy makes people awesome
[11:19] <faemir_> what is the different between compiz & beryl?
[11:19] <LiENUS> dm, i was giving him an example of something more than just eyecandy
[11:19] <LiENUS> faemir_, beryl is a fork of compiz
[11:19] <Qzr> tom__, could you tell me how to download it? i tried beryl with gnome just recently, had to reinstall ubuntu :|
[11:19] <ElbridgeGerry> LiENUS: I'm running Beryl now. It's so much easier to manage a lot of open windows with it.
[11:19] <dm> LiENUS ah, thats what i get for jumping into a conversation
[11:19] <tom__> Qzr: what ubuntu are you running?
[11:19] <k3ks> faemir_: why should i? i want a problem solved on gnome, not xubunut
[11:19] <faemir_> LiENUS, i know, but what is the advantage of beryl over compiz?
[11:19] <Qzr> tom__, 6.10
[11:20] <jexdaw1> what is the default command in beryl when you move your mouse to the upper right? i have it disabled, and don't remember what was originally there.
[11:20] <LiENUS> dm, barata  claimed beryl was nothing but eyecandy
[11:20] <tom__> qzr: good :D
[11:20] <faemir_> k3ks, i was just suggesting a temporary fix
[11:20] <LiENUS> faemir_, whats the advantage of KDE over gnome?
[11:20] <ElbridgeGerry> jexdaw1: Scales windows
[11:20] <hairulfr> jexdaw1: F8
[11:20] <dm> Faermir_ beryl has alot more options and is just... better
[11:20] <faemir_> LiENUS, shut up :P
[11:20] <LiENUS> jexdaw1, initiate window picker...
[11:20] <barata> yeah ... compiz is actually better ... more stable than beryl ... it's nice to install if you happen to have an account for a kiddo
[11:20] <tom__> qzr: are you using a recent nvidia card?
[11:20] <saras> ;(
[11:20] <k3ks> faemir_: ok, thanx but i'm useing kde anyway
[11:20] <faemir_> LiENUS, the proper intergration of the kde applications :P
[11:20] <Qzr> tom__, geforce go 6200
[11:20] <ElbridgeGerry> I need to get qsynaptics working. Anyone have tips?
[11:20] <jexdaw1> window picker is wonderful... are you claiming its useless eye candy or are you supporting beryl? (sorry, wasn't following convo)
[11:20] <Yodude> hey do KDE apps work in ubuntu?
[11:20] <LiENUS> barata, or if you use your computer at all
[11:20] <agliv5> LiENUS, do you think it might help to reinstall the -11 kernel and rebuild qemu & kquemu?
[11:20] <faemir_> k3ks, try asking someone more knowledgable to try and fix it ;) sorry :(
[11:21] <ElbridgeGerry> jexdaw1: He was supporting beryl
[11:21] <faemir_> Yodude, yup
[11:21] <LiENUS> jexdaw1, me? i'm supporting beryl, barata  is saying beryl is useless
[11:21] <Yodude> they do?
[11:21] <k3ks> faemir_: ok^^ thanx for your try
[11:21] <hairulfr> Yodude: Yeah, but they look real ugly
[11:21] <Yodude> Great!
[11:21] <Yodude> oh
[11:21] <faemir_> Yodude, if you try to install, it should install the dependecies needed
[11:21] <ahave> what is a good app to extract rar balls?
[11:21] <LiENUS> agliv5,  i dont see the -11 kernel in updates...
[11:21] <dm> barata Beryl > all :P
[11:21] <trymmi> Hello, anyone good with Beryl? I've got a problem with suddenly not having frames on my windows, running Ubuntu Edgy
[11:21] <tom__> qzr: i don't have an nvidia card, so i can't attest that this will work for you. http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_nVidia
[11:21] <LiENUS> ahave, unrar
[11:21] <Yodude> but why does it look ugly?
[11:21] <pollywog> supermodels are useless eye candy, window managers are not useless
[11:21] <k3ks> bye
[11:21] <dm> supermodels are ugly
[11:21] <ahave> is there one with a gui interface?
[11:21] <jexdaw1> elbridge, lienus, agreed then. beryl is much more useful than i originally thought. <3
[11:21] <tom__> pollywog speaks truth.
[11:21] <faemir_> Yodude, what looks ugly?
[11:22] <tom__> sort of.
[11:22] <pollywog> dm: and that too
[11:22] <barata> oh .. sorry LiENUS ... btw, can you make the desktop to change spirally toward the upper right? That should be cool to have :)))
[11:22] <trymmi> Hello, anyone good with Beryl? I've got a problem with suddenly not having frames on my windows, running Ubuntu Edgy
[11:22] <dm> pollywog thats not my def of beauty
[11:22] <Yodude> no man eyecandy is the new operating system temptation
[11:22] <dm> pollywog :)
[11:22] <faemir_> trymmi, reload emerald
[11:22] <hairulfr> Yodude: BEcause it doesn't integrate with gtk, inmy expereince
[11:22] <Yodude> i swear for example if i show my friend a great looking OS shge would definitly want it
[11:22] <ElbridgeGerry> trymmi: What faemir_ said
[11:22] <Yodude> Is Beagle the search engine built into ubuntu?
[11:22] <Yodude> Does the included engine index files?
[11:22] <faemir_> you could spend a whole day helping people on here :\
[11:22] <ElbridgeGerry> Yodude: Exactly
[11:22] <ElbridgeGerry> Anyone here use qsynaptics?
[11:23] <tom__> yodude: if you're running edgy it isn't built in.
[11:23] <Yodude> umm
[11:23] <barata> another idea for beryl .... once you click, play a 'Boom!' sound, mushroom appears, current desktop gone and desktop 2/3 appears
[11:23] <Advanced> w00t, think i might be back on track, thanks for trying to help there LiENUS, depending on my opinion on ubuntu, i may be back and contributing :)
[11:23] <Yodude> so does the built-in one index?
[11:23] <ElbridgeGerry> All call for qsynaptics users, all call for  qsynaptics users
[11:23] <Yodude> i haven't seen it indexing
[11:23] <tom__> !qsynaptics | elbridgegerry
[11:23] <ubotu> elbridgegerry: qsynaptics: Synaptic TouchPad configuration tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.22.0-6 (edgy), package size 66 kB, installed size 236 kB
[11:23] <barata> btw .... guys .... no Ipod 80GB owner?
[11:23] <ElbridgeGerry> tom_ I know what it is, I need help with it
[11:23] <trymmi> Elbridgegerry: What did Faemir_ say?
[11:24] <ElbridgeGerry> trymmi: Restart emerald
[11:24] <trymmi> I did.
[11:24] <barata> can we sync 80GB with gtkpod or whatever in linux?
[11:24] <trymmi> Several times.
[11:24] <tom__> barata: have you used itunes 7.... and you're trying to get it to work in linux now???
[11:24] <Yodude> does it?
[11:24] <ElbridgeGerry> trymmi: Try installing a theme from beryl's website and adding it to emerald.
[11:24] <Yodude> barata: try Banshee Music player it's got the essentials of iTunes
[11:24] <barata> I dont like crossover office
[11:24] <trymmi> Elbridgegerry: Ok thanks
[11:24] <ElbridgeGerry> Does iTunes not work with wine?
[11:25] <barata> Yodude, do you actually use your 80GB with Banshee or just suggest me to?
[11:25] <jexdaw1> i'm running gaim to use this irc and i use it a lot - how do i automatically auth upon logging in?
[11:25] <linxeh> is there an edgy support/dev/package management channel ?
[11:25] <ElbridgeGerry> trymmi: I'd suggest "Superhuman" in the "Ubuntu" section. Works well with default Ubuntu graphics
[11:25] <LiENUS> jexdaw1,  set a password?
[11:25] <atomiku-linux> I'm trying to run Enemy Territory but it crashes with this: "Received signal 11, exiting..."
[11:25] <Yodude> i use windows for my ipod cuz i need the artwork i have
[11:25] <Yodude> but banshee is great
[11:26] <Yodude> and you can stick with iTunes from time to time but you can use banshee as your media player in linux
[11:26] <ElbridgeGerry> Wait, isn't there a player for GNOME that automatically downloads album art?
[11:26] <tom__> badwarr1or: i'm not registered so i can't respond. quick answer: sorry not interested.
[11:26] <barata> ok ... then here is what I know about bashee ... it sucks .... use amarok
[11:26] <Yodude> you can download your music from your ipod to banshee
[11:26] <Yodude> barata: lol why?
[11:26] <cafuego_> Yodude: gtkpod (the new one) does the artwork just fine.
[11:26] <badwarr1or> tom__: for chat join in #badwarrior
[11:26] <Qzr> tom__, $ sudo apt-get install xserver-xg is that the way to get xgl?
[11:26] <orionrobots> Does anybody here know about running ubuntu in UML?
[11:26] <tom__> omg do not use KDE programs in gnome.
[11:26] <barata> 'cause bansee sucks ... mono stuff ... use amarok
[11:26] <ElbridgeGerry> barata: Most of us are GNOME users. Isn't amarok a KDE application?
[11:26] <LiENUS> Qzr,  what card do you have?
[11:26] <hairulfr> tom__: I Agree..brrr
[11:27] <barata> is this Gnome channel or KDE channel?
[11:27] <tom__> barata: explain how mono stuff sucks. use f-spot and tell me that.
[11:27] <perv> where is ubuntu chanel for noobs?
[11:27] <atomiku-linux> I'm trying to run Enemy Territory but it crashes with this: "Received signal 11, exiting..." how can I fix this?
[11:27] <jexdaw1> ermm.. more icon/theme questions. i right click a desktop icon -> properties -> then click the icon to change it. where are the new icons for the theme i just installed?
[11:27] <Qzr> LiENUS, nvidia go 6200
[11:27] <LiENUS> Qzr, nvidias are best used with aiglx
[11:27] <Yodude> no one answered my question btw: does the built-in search function in edgy index files? if not should i install beagles instead?
[11:27] <pollywog> I thought this channel was for noobs too
[11:27] <trymmi> Elbridgegerry: Doesnt work.
[11:27] <orionrobots> I am having a problem where it is stopping "* Starting kernel event manager...". I have an ubuntu host, and ubuntu guest.
[11:27] <tom__> barata: since ubuntu installs gnome by default, you guess.
[11:27] <LiENUS> i assume you're planning on using beryl...
[11:27] <Qzr> yeah
[11:27] <barata> you want mono or win stuff? just pay a little money and use RealBasic
[11:27] <LiENUS> Qzr,  yeah, you're best bet is aiglx
[11:28] <ElbridgeGerry> trymmi: Hang on a second, I'll check something in Emerald. (There's always #beryl if you're impatient)
[11:28] <Qzr> could you give me a link or something on how to get it?
[11:28] <barata> write your app in RealBasic for your own quick-needs ... no need mono
[11:28] <BrokenSegue> anyone heard of file system errors after booting into ubuntu after hiberating windows in a dual-boot setup? Are there any fixes for this?
[11:28] <LiENUS> Qzr,  it comes with xorg
[11:28] <Yodude> so should i install beagle?
[11:28] <Yodude> or not?
[11:28] <barata> it sucks .. slow ... and just sucks
[11:28] <tom__> Qzr: yeah sorry i didn't know if AIGLX worked with nvidia cards.
[11:28] <nexousNET> Hi
[11:28] <ElbridgeGerry> trymmi: Okay, check under the "edit themes" tab in Emerald
[11:28] <tom__> Qzr: AIGLX works amazing for me, using an ati radeon 9550.
[11:28] <orionrobots> There are a million and one ways to do things without forking out for RealBasic - forget that.
[11:29] <LiENUS> Qzr,  are you running 6.06 or 6.10?
[11:29] <nexousNET> Hi, Whenever I visit http://localhost/, it brings me to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost...
[11:29] <trymmi> Elbridgegerry: ye?
[11:29] <nexousNET> Any Ideas?
[11:29] <tom__> barata: open up f-spot real quick and tell me it is not worth using mono.
[11:29] <Qzr> LiENUS, 6.10
[11:29] <tom__> Lienus: 6.10
[11:29] <ElbridgeGerry> trymmi: Are the settings under "Opacity" higher than 0? (This would be too easy, if so)
[11:29] <LiENUS> Qzr, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Beryl.2FAIGLX_.28Nvidia.29
[11:29] <Qzr> i just installed ubuntu today, so sorry for asking so much
[11:30] <atomiku-linux> I'm trying to run Enemy Territory but it crashes with this: "Received signal 11, exiting..." how can I fix this?
[11:30] <tom__> Lienus: the wiki on the beryl website is probably more up to date.
[11:30] <LiENUS> Qzr,  that link should tell you everything you need...
[11:30] <blenderdan> can anyone help me setup my nvidia drivers?  apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common and added  "NV" in xorg.conf, but I can't get xgl to run, I can't run Blender3d because of this.
[11:30] <barata> ok ... 1 more attempt .... anybody uses Linux with iPod 80GB? Can gtkpod sync movies?
[11:30] <ElbridgeGerry> LiENUS: He speaks the truth
[11:30] <tom__> barata: no. it can't.
[11:30] <Yodude> tom_: please ansnwer me should i get beagle instead of the default search in Ubuntu?
[11:30] <ElbridgeGerry> Yodude: Only if you don't like the default search
[11:30] <Qzr> Is beryl and aiglx the same or?
[11:30] <trymmi> Elbridgegerry: No that's not it mate
[11:30] <tom__> yodude: beagle is an excellent indexing tool. I'd install it :)
[11:30] <barata> why not tom__ .. did you try it already? you use itunes 7?
[11:31] <ElbridgeGerry> trymmi: Yeah, that'd be too obvious.
[11:31] <tom__> Qzr: AIGLX is one method beryl uses to draw the images.
[11:31] <LiENUS> Qzr, aiglx is to xgl as vanilla yogurt is to unflavored yogurt
[11:31] <barata> iTunes over crossover?
[11:31] <trymmi> Elbridgegerry: It worked fine 2 days ago before X crashed and I had to work that shit out.
[11:31] <Yodude> ok tom
[11:31] <LiENUS> Qzr, both roughly equivilant  just different methods to the same end
[11:31] <tom__> lol.
[11:31] <tom__> barata: video support for ipods doesn't exists in linux i don't believe. and i dont own an ipod.
[11:31] <ElbridgeGerry> trymmi: You may want to try in #beryl. Those guys were pretty helpful to me.
[11:32] <trymmi> Will do
[11:32] <barata> ok ... another speculation .... bye all
[11:32] <Yodude> hey i just added a panel onto my desktop, and i set it to be transparent, so that it looks like a dock, but it seems not to be transparent it just copies the wallpaper behind it. How can i get it to be fully transparent?
[11:32] <blenderdan> Hey should I check  #beryl for Nvidia driver help?
[11:32] <LiENUS> Yodude,  with beryl
[11:32] <tom__> yodude: mmhrmm
[11:32] <agliv5> LiENUS, I do... linux-headers-2.6.17-11-* and linux-image-2.6.17-11-* in synaptic...
[11:32] <barata> dont use beryl too much ... candy is also bad for the eyes, not just your teeth  ...:)))
[11:33] <Yodude> but i real that beryl is beta
[11:33] <orionrobots> Is there anybody here who knows anything about Ubuntu init/upstart and UML?
[11:33] <Yodude> and it screw up ubuntu
[11:33] <Yodude> read*
[11:33] <DARKGuy> what about transset and xcompmgr ?
[11:33] <ElbridgeGerry> Yodude: I'm running beryl just fine. Nothing's 'screwed up'
[11:33] <Yodude> isn't Compiz better?
[11:33] <LiENUS> i'm running beryl subversion... nothing screwed up...
[11:33] <LiENUS> Yodude,  compiz should be able to achieve the same end..
[11:33] <tom__> yodude: it is not even beta yet. its close. it is very usable though, and somewhat stable. there are just many features missing from it.
[11:33] <ElbridgeGerry> Yodude: Haven't tried Compiz.
[11:34] <Yodude> man if one think i like in OSes is eye candy
[11:34] <faemir_> tom__: what does beryl currently have over compiz?
[11:34] <Yodude> lol :-P
[11:34] <ElbridgeGerry> Barata: You can still get the productivity features of beryl without the eye candy: it's highly customizable.
[11:35] <Anti-Tedd> I'm on a wireless laptop, and I've heard that adhoc can cause some bandwith issues- can someone tell me how I can check if I'm on ADHOC or INFRA?
[11:35] <tom__> faemir_: i believe beryl has plugins compiz doesn't have, and i think beryl has better AIGLX support, but i'm not sure.
[11:35] <nexousNET> Hi, Whenever I visit http://localhost/, it brings me to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost...
[11:35] <LjL> is it possible to have Xinerama split the screen into a real monitor and a VNC service (or FreeNX, or whatever is best for a Fastethernet connection)?
[11:35] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd, iwconfig
[11:35] <albe> Hi everyone
[11:35] <nexousNET> Anyone know why it isn't displaying /opt/htdocs/...
[11:35] <tom__> nexousNET: do you have a webserver installed?
[11:35] <PwcrLinux> Hello all, is the kernel 10 stable or use back down to 9 more stable on breezy?
[11:35] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd,  run iwconfig, find your wireless card and look for the line that has "Mode:" in it
[11:36] <nexousNET> tom__: yes
[11:36] <albe> Anyone has experience with keyboard 6000v2 ?
[11:36] <LjL> nexousNET: hahah... that must be your DNS :-) does /etc/hosts and possibly /etc/resolv.conf list localhost?
[11:36] <ElbridgeGerry> GAH!
[11:36] <mc44> LjL: you cant just run vnc and position it on one half of the monitor?
[11:36] <PwcrLinux> 2.6.12-10-386
[11:36] <Yodude> hey how can i add the "Backports" repository on Edgy?
[11:36] <Anti-Tedd> LiENUS, it just says "managed"
[11:36] <tom__> !backports
[11:36] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[11:36] <bytekode> quick question, does 6.10's GUI installer support resizing NTFS partitions?
[11:36] <Yodude> do i need it for flash?
[11:37] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd,  thats infrastructure mode
[11:37] <nexousNET> LjL: give me a minute and I'll check.
[11:37] <Anti-Tedd> LiENUS, alright...hm
[11:37] <Anti-Tedd> is there a way I can switch to adhoc
[11:37] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd, different way of saying the same thing
[11:37] <LjL> mc44: hm no, that's not what i meant... basically, i have a Windows machine with its own monitor next to me, and i'd like to have one of my Ubuntu workspaces on its monitor
[11:37] <tom__> bytekode: i think if there is lots of unoccupied space around it... i don't know, i haven't used NTFS partitions in a long time.
[11:37] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd, adhoc is for two computers communicating directly
[11:37] <LjL> mc44: in other words, dual monitor but with one of the monitors not being local
[11:37] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd, managed mode is for a network consisting of many computers
[11:37] <mc44> LjL: ooooh right, Sicko!
[11:37] <bytekode> tom__: my friend wants to try ubuntu, but his entire disk is a single NTFS partition, and i haven't used gparted in a while ;)
[11:37] <ElbridgeGerry> I hate the fact that I can't make a stupid tap on the touch pad NOT register a click. Don't tell me "qsynaptics" either, the driver you need doesn't work in the the repositories and the one onsite asks me for a prerequisite I already have.
[11:38] <Anti-Tedd> LiENUS, this is my laptop and my computer. that's it
[11:38] <ElbridgeGerry> bytekode: Yes, you can resize.
[11:38] <Anti-Tedd> Do you mean directly as in wired?
[11:38] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd, what about the internet?
[11:38] <blenderdan> I realy need help.  I'v been at this all day.   after I install nvidia-glx my system still runs, but nothing that requirs xgl will run.  If I go threw the process " How to install Xgl/Compiz" on the unofficial ubuntu starter guid.   My system will give me an error and not load the GUI.
[11:38] <bytekode> ElbridgeGerry: thanks
[11:38] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd, theres a couple million computers on that...
[11:38] <Anti-Tedd> feh
[11:38] <fl00d> hi
[11:38] <LjL> mc44: eh, that's not all, i also want to do the vice versa, i.e. see Windows on my main screen :-P (because you know, the monitors are apart and using the keyboard and mouse of the other machine isn't too comfortable)
[11:38] <tom__> bytekode: and he wants to save all his music, etc.... if the drive is completely NTFS, you're going to need a drive to back stuff up to on.
[11:38] <Anti-Tedd> Well, something is causing me to have godawful download speeds on the ubuntu servers and I can't tell what it is
[11:38] <jojoman02_> how do i find out what sound module my kernel has loaded for my sound card?
[11:39] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd, i seriously doubt its your wireless network being in managed mode
[11:39] <fl00d> ive got a problem with ubuntu freezing on installation startup
[11:39] <Anti-Tedd> LiENUS, okay. Thanks.
[11:39] <LjL> jojoman02_: try  lshw -class sound  and/or  lsmod | grep snd
[11:39] <Anti-Tedd> LiENUS, do you have any idea what it might be?
[11:39] <tom__> Anti-Tedd: lots of traffic... it happens to everyone.
[11:39] <Anti-Tedd> tom_ not like this.
[11:39] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd, might just be the servers, try a mirror
[11:39] <jojoman02_> LjL: Gracias, Thankz
[11:39] <tom__> Anti-Tedd: set it up to use an ubuntu server near you.
[11:39] <nexousNET> LjL: 'o<IP_ADDRESS> localhost nexousCORE' is in hosts.
[11:39] <tom__> aka a mirror as Lienus said.
[11:39] <Anti-Tedd> tom__, how would one go about doing so?
[11:39] <Anti-Tedd> my sources.list?
[11:40] <LjL> nexousNET: is that "o" actually there or is it a typo?
[11:40] <Advanced> ok, the install fails to mount on ram0 (unknown volume type), also fails to mount on dev, sys and proc. I also get the msg, "Target file system doesnt have sbin/init" then i am taken to busybox command line with "initramfs" before my type line
[11:40] <Advanced> i also get "job controll turned off"
[11:40] <Advanced> any clues? :S
[11:40] <pollywog> Advanced: that hapened to me too
[11:40] <Advanced> sorry to be such a nooby pain
[11:40] <pollywog> twice
[11:40] <atomiku-linux> Advanced i got that error before
[11:40] <pollywog> I do not know how to fix it so I reinstalled
[11:40] <atomiku-linux> was something to do with grub config
[11:40] <atomiku-linux> i cant type now
[11:40] <Salty> !clicknrun
[11:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clicknrun - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:40] <Advanced> i cant install it in the first place lol
[11:41] <atomiku-linux> one hande is honlding nose
[11:41] <thekidrio> i could only get beryl svn to work on my system
[11:41] <atomiku-linux> nosebleed lol
[11:41] <pollywog> to prevent it I fixed fstab
[11:41] <fl00d> could someone help me?
[11:41] <tom__> salty: this is ubuntu, not that other distribution.
[11:41] <atomiku-linux> *hand
[11:41] <pollywog> I am using the old fstab format
[11:41] <Anti-Tedd> LiENUS, how would I go about using a miror closer to me?
[11:41] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd, for what?
[11:41] <nexousNET> LjL: yes the o is in there.
[11:41] <pollywog> click n run is coming to Ubuntu
[11:41] <Anti-Tedd> LiENUS, repos.
[11:41] <pollywog> so I have heard
[11:41] <Anti-Tedd> Right now i'm downloading updates
[11:41] <tom__> pollywog: you're kidding me.
[11:41] <LjL> nexousNET: uhm, i have no clue why - did you ever edit that file manually? anyway, remove the "o", it has no place there
[11:42] <Advanced> i dont even know what fstab is
[11:42] <Advanced> ;-;
[11:42] <pollywog> it will be an option
[11:42] <Anti-Tedd> And my speeds are godawful- fluxuating from actual bits to about 12kb/s
[11:42] <Advanced> in?
[11:42] <tom__> pollywog: they sell software available for free and make a profit. its horrible.
[11:42] <Anti-Tedd> (My connection is cable.)
[11:42] <nexousNET> LjL: no I never have, but okay.
[11:42] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd, one sec
[11:42] <Anti-Tedd> Thanks a lot. I appreciate it.
[11:42] <pollywog> tom: yes but they offer easy configuation and proprietary drivers
[11:42] <zyth> tom__, no, the free software is free, the commercial software you pay for
[11:42] <LjL> nexousNET: well, it's a trivial thing, and yet if you are very sure you never edited that file, it sounds suspicious somewhat...
[11:42] <fl00d> can someone tell me why my ubuntu is freezing on intital startup? i havent even installed it yet
[11:42] <mc44> tom__: that may well be true, but its offtopic for this channel
[11:42] <nexousNET> LjL: how do I change it from read-only?
[11:43] <faemir_> tom__: so when looking for stable I should use compiz instead?
[11:43] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd, hit alt+f2 type in "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" without the quotes
[11:43] <LjL> nexousNET: wait, don't change it yet
[11:43] <riley> !java
[11:43] <Yodude> so what good games is there for ubuntu?
[11:43] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[11:43] <nexousNET> LjL: okay.
[11:43] <LjL> nexousNET: do an  ls -l /etc/hosts  - when was it last modified?
[11:43] <Salty> haha i started war
[11:43] <pollywog> Advanced: I would reinstall but before you upgrade, save a backup of /etc/fstab
[11:43] <Anti-Tedd> LiENUS, coulda just said "open up sources.list" ;)
[11:43] <Yodude> i was thinking of getting kbattleship
[11:43] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd, are you in the usa or canada?
[11:43] <tom__> faemir_: i don't know i don't use compiz, but i can tell you this: beryl is very stable for me.
[11:43] <faemir_> tom__: (and what is the objective of the fork of beryl btw)
[11:43] <Yodude> or scroched3D
[11:43] <Anti-Tedd> LiENUS, USA, new york to be exact.
[11:43] <mc44> !games | Yodude
[11:43] <faemir_> tom__: ok
[11:43] <ubotu> Yodude: Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[11:43] <elyon> I'm having an issue.  I've copied my previous ~/.mozilla folder from KDE into Gnome, but firefox doesn't seem to recognize it.  Are those settings stored in a different location under gnome?
[11:43] <faemir_> tom__: bit of a memory whore when everything is turned on though :P
[11:43] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd, add us. to the front of each host like "archive.ubuntu.org"
[11:43] <tom__> faemir_: just don't expect to be playing games or watching high res videos.
[11:43] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd,  so its us.archive.ubuntu.org
[11:44] <Trini_Man> hi every one
[11:44] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd,  and security.ubuntu.org is us.security.ubuntu.org
[11:44] <Anti-Tedd> LiENUS, that's already there.
[11:44] <pollywog> and make certain you copy the old fstab over the new one after you upgrade to the latest kernel image
[11:44] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd, then you're already using us only...
[11:44] <Trini_Man> i juss did an update in ubuntu 6.10 and i got this error "Failed to Load Nvidia Kernel module "
[11:44] <shatrat> faemir_, the purpose of the fork was to include a lot of changes that compiz was slow about adopting.
[11:44] <pollywog> I did that and it saved me from a 3rd disaster
[11:44] <nexousNET> LjL: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 254 2007-02-09 17:53 /etc/hosts
[11:44] <Trini_Man>  i juss did an update in ubuntu 6.10 and i got this error "Failed to Load Nvidia Kernel module "
[11:44] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd,  lemme see if theres a way to narrow it down further
[11:44] <LjL> LiENUS: are you sure? i thought security had only one mirror - that being security.ubuntu.com (not .org)
[11:45] <fl00d> jesus is someone gonna help me? ive been waiting 5 mins for a response
[11:45] <Trini_Man> how do i fix this
[11:45] <alienseer23> if I mount using this "sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop '/tmp/kde-alienseer23/k3b_image.iso'  /media/ndtools" how do I unmount?
[11:45] <LjL> nexousNET: so it was modified two days ago at about 6pm, do you recall doing anything special at that time?
[11:45] <LiENUS> LjL, good point its .com not .org
[11:45] <Qzr> LiENUS,you know what windowsmanager does this fellow use: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZD7QraljRfM ?
[11:45] <Anti-Tedd> LiENUS, thanks.
[11:45] <mc44> !patience | fl00d
[11:45] <ubotu> fl00d: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:45] <LjL> LiENUS: but also there's no us. in front of it i think
[11:45] <Trini_Man>  i juss did an update in ubuntu 6.10 and i got this error "Failed to Load Nvidia Kernel module "
[11:45] <faemir_> shatrat, thanks :)
[11:45] <nexousNET> LjL: I had previously tried compiling my own server by myself, But I'm now using Xampp for Linux because it wasn't working,.
[11:46] <LjL> Trini_Man: you have installed nvidia drivers from third parties, yes? you need to update those
[11:46] <tom__> fl00d: most people help if they know the answer, but if you don't get an answer its probably because nobody knows.
[11:46] <zyth> Trini_Man, if you updated your kernel you need to rebuild and reinstall the nvidia kernel module
[11:46] <LiENUS> LjL, you're right heh just checked against the source-omatic
[11:46] <hairulfr> fl00d: Jeus, chill
[11:46] <LiENUS> Qzr, prolly emerald
[11:46] <Trini_Man> zyth: how do i do this ?
[11:46] <LiENUS> Qzr,  it looks like emerald and beryl to me
[11:46] <tom__> Qzr: emerald is installed with beryl.
[11:46] <alienseer23> how do I unmount an image mounted using "sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loopexample.iso  /mount/place/" ??
[11:46] <Trini_Man> install nvidia common
[11:46] <jojoman02_> LjL: how do i get the name i use in the alsa config? is there an easier way to get it (i'm trying to make a guide to help with a problem) like "snd-via82xx" directly after a command (with the current sound card)
[11:46] <fl00d> ive chilled for 5 minutes... recognition would have been satisfactory
[11:46] <zyth> Trini_Man, same way you installed it in the frist place? I dunno I don't have an nvidia card
[11:47] <LjL> nexousNET: uhm, ok then i guess it's probably xampp that did it... ok, anyway, that /etc/hosts files is not "read-only", it's simply owned by root with write permissions for root only -- and it should stay that way
[11:47] <Anti-Tedd> LiENUS, I'm guessing there's no better way to narrow it down
[11:47] <mc44> fl00d: as you can see the channle is very busy
[11:47] <Trini_Man> zyth: ehh i have tried everything
[11:47] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd,  nop
[11:47] <dariliaz> irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu-fr
[11:47] <tom__> fl00d: theres 1000 people in here. demanding a response is unreasonable for you to ask.
[11:47] <Trini_Man> zyth: i going and give it one last try
[11:47] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd,  the most you can do is us... you could try ca?
[11:47] <LjL> nexousNET: just edit it with root privileges:  gksudo gedit /etc/hosts , or sudo nano /etc/hosts  if you're from a console
[11:47] <Trini_Man> zyth:brb
[11:47] <zyth> Trini_Man, good luck
[11:47] <Anti-Tedd> LiENUS, alright, thanks a lot. I have to find what's wrong here, because it can't be the server
[11:47] <Anti-Tedd> I mean, it's pitifully slow and I'm on cable
[11:48] <tom__> fl00d: now since it's been a while, try asking your problem again. maybe somebody does know, but didn't see your question.
[11:48] <negen> any one having problems with saved passwords in firefox ?
[11:48] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd,  someitmes cable is slow
[11:48] <ahave> i tried to do an aptitude install for unrar, and got this mesage:  E: Couldn't find package untat-free
[11:48] <Anti-Tedd> LiENUS, it's not sometimes, it's always
[11:48] <Anti-Tedd> And just when I'm downloading from the repos
[11:48] <negen> seems one of the newest updates broke something
[11:48] <LiENUS> Anti-Tedd,  try removing us.
[11:48] <Anti-Tedd> OK
[11:48] <ahave> is there a better way of obtaining unrar?
[11:48] <tom__> fl00d: but remember expecting anything from volunteers isn't nice ;)
[11:48] <jojoman02_> ahave: you spelled unrar as untat
[11:48] <LiENUS> ahave, than?
[11:49] <bl4cktone> Hey guys, what's up
[11:49] <fl00d> ubuntu LiveCD freezes when I try and run it from restart. Any ideas why? lol tom :P
[11:49] <Malmsdoom> hi...i need help with evolution...i have to enter my gpg-passwd every time i write an email...that drives me crazy... is there a better solution?
[11:49] <ahave> than using aptitude?
[11:49] <auTONYmous> Anybody have an opinion about the Linspire Click'N'Run/Canonical announcement
[11:49] <pollywog> untat sounds like a dermatology precedure
[11:49] <tom__> fl00d: how much memory do you have?
[11:49] <hairulfr> ahave: Synaptic?
[11:49] <ahave> doe, yea. i did spell it wrong
[11:49] <mc44> auTONYmous: that is offtopic for this channel
[11:49] <jojoman02_> auTONYmous: yeah, it won't bring ubuntu down, and i don't think anyone will use it
[11:49] <floobit> any advice on HAL failing and not being able to access user permissions?  should I wipe and start over?
[11:49] <tom__> fl00d: the live cd requres at least 256MB of memory.
[11:49] <ahave> idk, what is synaptic?
[11:49] <ahave> ill google nvm
[11:49] <fl00d> 256
[11:49] <auTONYmous> mc44: why so?
[11:49] <faemir_> general question: what is the difference between using 'apt-get' & 'aptitude'
[11:50] <mc44> auTONYmous: this is for support :) see #ubuntu-offtopic for other discussions
[11:50] <tom__> fl00d: you weren't installing any programs or downloading files while using the livecd were you? remember these things take up memory.
[11:50] <alienseer23> can anyone help me, please? I need to know how to unmount an iso image mounted using loop?
[11:50] <negen> synaptic is a package manager i  think is what it is called
[11:50] <jojoman02_> faemir_: aptitude doesn't have Super Cow Powers and has a GUI
[11:50] <hairulfr> ahave: Synaptic Package Manger in  "Administration"
[11:50] <Qzr> last time i installed beryl i just followed http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_nVidia
[11:50] <fl00d> Tom: Nope I restarted comp so nothing else could be running except CD
[11:50] <floobit> synaptic is a gui that is a frontend for  apt-get
[11:50] <tom__> alienseer23: add the disk mount thing to your panel, you can unmount it very easily that way.
[11:51] <kritical> alienseer23, `sudo umount /mount/point'
[11:51] <faemir_> jojoman02_: but when i use terminal and want to install something, is there a difference in using either?
[11:51] <tom__> fl00d: are you trying to install ubuntu with the livecd?
[11:51] <alienseer23> I will try, it keeps telling me it failed, that loop os not mounted
[11:51] <tom__> fl00d: try the alternate installation cd.
[11:51] <Malmsdoom> hi...i need help with evolution...i have to enter my gpg-passwd every time i write an email...that drives me crazy... is there a better solution?
[11:51] <KrakensDen> Trini_Man, did you install the nvidia driver manually?
[11:51] <auTONYmous> mc44: alright, I'll bend...since nobody's actually in the offtopic channel...
[11:51] <tom__> fl00d: it requires less memory because it doesn't boot a live session.
[11:51] <jojoman02_> faemir_: i don't think it makes that big of a diff, i head read (not sure) that aptitude handles dependancies better but i'm unsure of that, apt-get works just fine for me
[11:52] <fl00d> Tom: yes. It says to reboot so I reboot and then ubuntu screen loads and asks if I want to try/install ubuntu I click that one and then it loads for a few minites and then freezes
[11:52] <mc44> auTONYmous: er.. there is 133 people in there
[11:52] <knovak> Anyone know what software I could use to capture screen movement, and make it into a video, so I can show off my desktop and such?
[11:52] <tom__> Malmsdoom: enable the " remember password" function
[11:52] <faemir_> jojoman02_: okay, because on some website that told you how to install kde on ubuntu (etc) it said to always use aptitude because it made uninstalling much easier or something :S
[11:52] <billybob> anyone here run XFS file system, or have run it for long periods of time ?
[11:52] <auTONYmous> mc44...hmm...musta typoed...
[11:52] <tom__> fl00d: install ubuntu using the alternate cd, it uses less memory, you'll probably have more success.
[11:52] <alienseer23> eh, me stoopid poodle, had wrong syntax...thanks for humoring my moment of ignorance
[11:53] <Malmsdoom> tom__: yes i did that...but it only works until the next retart of evolution ^^
[11:53] <fl00d> Tom: Which is the alternate CD? my friend downloaded it for me because my internet is slow and I have low bandwit
[11:53] <LiENUS> billybob,  im running xfs on my laptop and my server
[11:53] <tom__> Malmsdoom: then feel happy your emails are nice and private :D
[11:53] <alienseer23> next stoopid question: do I mount it to a specific point (an iso image) if I want to play it as a dvd? (which point?)
[11:53] <tom__> fl00d: you want ubuntu dapper right? 6.06??
[11:54] <billybob> LiENUS: how reliable is it, i set up a XFS moutn yesterday, and man, its fast, but reliability is mroe of a concern
[11:54] <fl00d> Tom: yes
[11:54] <glundberg> has anyone had a problem with kubuntu hanging during reboot?
[11:54] <LiENUS> billybob,  i havent had any issues with it on my laptop...
[11:54] <tom__> alienseer23: i think mplayer can read iso files.
[11:54] <billybob> LiENUS: how long have you had it on your laptop ?
[11:54] <Crescendo> It seems like a good number of Java applets crash Firefox on Ubuntu, but not other Linux OSes - http://gwing.net/chat.php and http://ac3.metawerx.net - any ideas on how to resolve this?
[11:54] <Malmsdoom> tom__: *sigh  ...the passwd is very long ^^ ... in kontact gpg-agent does the job
[11:54] <LiENUS> billybob, ~ a month
[11:54] <mc44> LjL: finished? :)
[11:54] <alienseer23> mplayer isn't friendly with my .asoundrc file
[11:54] <tom__> fl00d: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu/download#lts
[11:55] <fl00d> Tom: maybe though it could be because its an old pc trying to run. 500mhz celeron d
[11:55] <tom__> choose where you live, and download the alternate image.
[11:55] <billybob> LiENUS: basically, right now, Im moving all my important data from USB< to my 6.10 CLI server
[11:55] <Malmsdoom> perhaps i try sylpheed
[11:55] <tom__> Malmsdoom: its the gnome keymanager handling your password..
[11:55] <jojoman02_> faemir_: yeah well if the website said it i'm sure they had a legit reason, use aptitude...
[11:56] <fl00d> Tom: thats the one my friend downloaded for me
[11:56] <LiENUS> billybob, backups are still important
[11:56] <dimeotane> any truecrypt useers around?
[11:56] <billybob> LiENUS: whcih also involves moving the drives from USB enclosures, to into the server its self
[11:56] <tom__> fl00d: the alternate one?
[11:56] <billybob> LiENUS: yeah, well this IS my backup ;)
[11:56] <fl00d> Tom: yes
[11:56] <LiENUS> billybob,  reliability wont protect you from an accidental rm -rf /
[11:56] <Malmsdoom> tom__: no...does evo. need a  connection?
[11:56] <billybob> LiENUS: hence why these drives are only mounted when i need the data ;)
[11:56] <tom__> malmsdoom: no it has an offline mode
[11:57] <tom__> fl00d: i don't know what to say.
[11:57] <ahave> hmm.. still trying to unrar a 'rar'... i did the apt-get install on unrar-free but it seems to fail on extraction?
[11:57] <LiENUS> billybob, or hackers...
[11:57] <billybob> LiENUS: and as far as 'accidental' rm -rf / lol, man . . .that would never happen ;)
[11:57] <atomiku-linux> I'm trying to run Enemy Territory but it crashes with this: "Received signal 11, exiting..." how can I fix this?
[11:57] <fl00d> Tom: I think its just my computer now. Its old and slow
[11:57] <tom__> ahave: is it passworded....
[11:57] <LiENUS> billybob, it happens...
[11:57] <RPO> anyone know how to backup the boot sector and parition table?
[11:57] <ahave> tom__,  i dont think so.. it didnt ask for one
[11:57] <billybob> LiENUS: anyone 'accidentally' rm -rf / gets what they deserve ;)
[11:57] <Malmsdoom> tom__: hmm thats worth a try...thx
[11:57] <faemir_> jojoman02_: it is only 1 more letter long :P
[11:57] <tom__> atomiku-linux: read on the ememy territory bug site see if theres any info there.
[11:57] <LiENUS> sometimes youl'l type "rm -rf files *" isntead of "rm -rf files*"
[11:57] <LiENUS> billybob,  and that one happens a lot
[11:58] <hairulfr> ahave: Multiverse has a un-free unrar
[11:58] <billybob> LiENUS: im very carefull not to do that
[11:58] <hairulfr> *an
[11:58] <billybob> LiENUS: only time ive issued a command like that, was on purpose, just to see what would happen ;)
[11:58] <ahave> un-free? i dont think i like the sound of that..
[11:58] <atomiku-linux> ive chekced
[11:58] <negen> that is the one you need
[11:58] <glundberg> has anyone had a problem with ubuntu hanging during reboot?
[11:58] <billybob> ie i was goign to reinstall anyhow
[11:58] <hairulfr> ahave: as not opensource
[11:58] <tom__> ahave: its not really unfree.... it has an unlimited trial period,...
[11:58] <Fraj> hi
[11:59] <tom__> and rarlabs does release their sources.
[11:59] <linxeh> billybob: rm -rfv / as root is actually quite fun. its amusing to see just what fails and when :D
[11:59] <billybob> LiENUS: anyhow, XFS is journaling, was just hoping someone might share some experience wit hthe matter
[11:59] <Fraj> how can i uninstall ubuntu?
[11:59] <ahave> tom_, does it expire to the point where i can no longer use it?
[11:59] <dimeotane> I'm looking for a program to password protect / encrypt my folder of business stuff.  any suggestions?
[11:59] <negen> ahave no
[11:59] <fl00d> Tom: I'm going to try re-partioning my drive. Delete all my other OS's. Ive only got 4GB left
[11:59] <faemir_> question: what do i type into terminal to unzip .7zs?
[11:59] <tom__> billybob: why are you running xfs over ext3?
[11:59] <tom__> ahave: nope.
[11:59] <billybob> LiENUS: its been my experience, that when something is fast, that normally things often dont always work reliably
[11:59] <Fraj> how can i uninstall ubuntu?
[11:59] <dimeotane> fl00d: it's always a nice feeling to finally clean out that other crappy OS
[11:59] <comster> how can I stop the gui login from coming up at boot?  It just started launching it again for no reason.
[11:59] <tom__> Fraj: install something else over it.
[12:00] <billybob> tom__: because its much faster than ext3 + samba
[12:00] <mon^rch> just love ntfs-3g!
[12:00] <ahave> is it better than unrar-free?
[12:00] <faemir_> fraj: wipe the partition
[12:00] <LiENUS> billybob, xfs has been in linux ~ 6 years
[12:00] <Fraj> faemir_ how do i do that
[12:00] <LiENUS> it was originally designed 12 years ago
[12:00] <hanso> hey. when I install a new kernel (linux-generic package) how do I boot into that kernel and not the old. is apt-get dist-upgrade enough?
[12:00] <Fraj> as it wont even let me boot from a bootable cd
[12:00] <agliv_> LiENUS, would you suggest trying -11 or -10?
[12:00] <alienseer23> !k3b
[12:00] <billybob> tom__: XFS +samba give me ~50MB/s network trasfers, thats pretty good compared to ext3 + samba, which is around ~10MB/s slower
[12:00] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[12:00] <LiENUS> agliv_, i dont know i dont see -11 in updates yet...
[12:00] <fl00d> dimeotane: yes windows is boring. one thing, how can I repartition? the only way I know is to use windows install cd
[12:01] <faemir_> Fraj: using a partition manager - there is a free one in ubuntu
[12:01] <Fraj> whats it called?
[12:01] <faemir_> Fraj: called gnome partition manager or gparted
[12:01] <ElbridgeGerry> Fraj: gparted
[12:01] <Fraj> thanks
[12:01] <Fraj> :)
[12:01] <tom__> billybob: well if that 10mb/s is worth any hassles you experience, go for it.


[00:05] <poolie> spiv, igc, i'm having some skype issues...
[00:05] <poolie> are you here?
[00:11] <rick_h__> lifeless: ping
[00:35] <MatthewWilkes> Right 4 hours is enough. I may try again tomorrow
[02:17] <gdoubleu> Is there anything special you need to do when pushing a loomified branch?  I pushed a loomified branch to launchpad from my laptop and then branched that onto another machine, but it didn't seem to have the threads.
[02:17] <gdoubleu> I have the bzr-loom plugin on both machines
[02:20] <Odd_Bloke> gdoubleu: Did you 'bzr record' first?
[02:20] <gdoubleu> i did not
[02:20] <Odd_Bloke> I think you need to.
[02:20] <Odd_Bloke> Though I don't really use looms, so am not sure.
[02:21] <gdoubleu> I'll try that and attempt to push again
[03:24] <mwhudson> how do i make a branch7 branch?
[03:26] <mwhudson> poolie, spiv?
[03:27] <mwhudson> oh, done
[03:40] <igc> hi all
[03:41] <igc> fyi, I'll be working on porting/testing fastimport to use the new Repository API today
[03:41] <igc> but I'll be offline for a few hours first - lunch & my daily hospital visit first
[04:31] <mwhudson> hey, can bzrlib.repofmt.pack_repo.RepositoryFormatPackDevelopment1 get a new name in bzr.dev really fast?
[04:35] <Odd_Bloke> mwhudson: Why?
[04:35] <mwhudson> well, because it's a terrible name
[04:36] <Odd_Bloke> What would you suggest instead?
[04:36] <thumper> SuperDuperFormat?
[04:36] <thumper> RockinFormat
[04:36] <mwhudson> not sure what the conventions are
[04:36] <Odd_Bloke> It'll be renamed to SuperDuperFormat or somesuch once it's actually that.
[04:37] <Odd_Bloke> But, ATM, it's a development format.
[04:37] <spiv> Something without "Development" would be nice, once it's no longer in Development.
[04:38] <mwhudson> well, i'm kinda hoping 1.6 is actually going to get released soon
[04:38] <Odd_Bloke> mwhudson: I think this format will be in development during the 1.6 cycle.
[04:38] <Odd_Bloke> s/1.6/1.7/
[04:38] <Odd_Bloke> So will be renamed before 1.7 is released.
[04:40] <Odd_Bloke> So before then, users will only see it if they've opted-in to the use of a development format.
[04:45] <mwhudson> speaking as a launchpad developer, i really hope not :)
[04:45] <mwhudson> there's a difference between a development format and a non-default format, surely
[04:48] <Odd_Bloke> In what sense?
[04:49] <mwhudson> well, in the 'option name' sense
[04:49] <spiv> rich-root-pack is a non-default format that isn't a development format, for example.
[04:49] <Odd_Bloke> Well, it'll be hidden, I think.
[04:49] <Odd_Bloke> It certainly should be hidden...
[04:50] <spiv> i.e. the option for it is relatively non-scary, it isn't hidden, etc.  Whereas I think the --stacked option on a branch isn't going to be hidden?
[04:50] <spiv> ISTR some discussion about it on the list.
[05:06] <poolie> mwhudson: i have a patch that makes it a stable format
[05:07] <mwhudson> poolie: excellent
[05:11] <mwhudson> how can i see things that are note()d or mutter()ed when prodding bzrlib interactively?
[05:11]  * mwhudson has vague memories of trace.enable_default_loggin()...
[05:11] <poolie> like from a python interpreter
[05:11] <poolie> yes that should do it
[07:04] <gdoubleu> Odd_Bloke: about the pushing looms, it looks like it's not possible yet: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-loom/+bug/201613
[07:09] <mwhudson> i think that bug is actually mostly fixed
[07:09] <mwhudson> apart from the 'when do i need to record' confusion
[07:10]  * mwhudson wanders off
[09:03] <stub> How do I turn off the bzr prompt thing that seems to have installed itself into /etc/bash_completion.d ?
[09:08] <tacone> boys, my bzr got locked, what to do ? --> Unable to obtain lock lp-147252812:///~rapache-devel/rapache/rapache-stage0/.bzr/branch/lock
[09:08] <tacone> break-lock doesn't seem to work
[09:09] <tacone> bzr: ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url "lp-147252812:///~rapache-devel/rapache/rapache-stage0/.bzr/branch/lock"
[09:09] <stub> Is it a bug that bzr has installed /etc/bash_completion.d/bzrbashprompt.sh (breaking my prompt), or is there some way I need to turn it off?
[09:10] <AfC> tacone: is that long number supposed to be there in the protocol?
[09:10] <AfC> /msg tacone Oh, just FYI, there are women here, too.
[09:10] <bob2> stub: just have to rm it for now
[09:11] <tacone> girls, my bzr got locked :(. http://pastebin.com/m4a069b45 what to do ?
[09:11] <AfC> :)
[09:12] <spiv> stub: there is a bug report about that
[09:12] <AfC> tacone: maybe try `bzr break-lock<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:12]  * tacone is about to switch in scared-newbie-mode-on
[09:12] <spiv> tacone: "bzr break-lock<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:12] <spiv> AfC: beat me :)
[09:12] <tacone> lol
[09:12] <AfC> spiv: Hooray!
[09:13] <stub> And then file a bug about the message that tells you to do different
[09:13] <spiv> stub: I'm just doing exactly that
[09:14] <tacone> worked
[09:14] <AfC> Terrific
[09:14] <tacone> I'll file a bug for that, thanks.
[09:16] <spiv> tacone: I just filed one
[09:17] <spiv> tacone: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/250451
[09:18] <kiorky> why does bzr-svn not want to store my creds :S
[09:20] <tacone> spiv: oh god. I was about to click submit :-)
[09:21] <tacone> ok, trashed :-D
[09:22] <tacone> thanks you all. goodbye
[09:43] <jelmer> kiorky, it's not bzr-svn that doesn't store them
[09:44] <jelmer> kiorky, it's bzr itself
[09:44] <jelmer> kiorky, any chance you can file a bug about this?
[09:45] <lifeless> Jc2k: is the conduit guy around at the moment ?
[09:46] <Jc2k> lifeless: he is
[09:46] <lifeless> Jc2k: I have a few minutes before leaving for the train
[09:46] <lifeless> rick_h__: hi
[09:46] <Jc2k> lifeless: *tries to lure him on to gnome-bzr*
[09:47] <jelmer> 'morning lifeless
[09:49] <lifeless> ohi jelmer
[09:59] <kiorky> jelmer: yep, but i am at work, but sue i can when i l have time
[10:00] <kiorky> jelmer: maybe around 12:30, so 11:30 for u
[10:00] <jelmer> Thanks
[10:00] <kiorky> jelmer: describe me what u want as backtrace or tests and etc
[10:02] <jelmer> kiorky, just the fact that passwords aren't saved should be sufficient
[10:06] <blaudden> Hi, I'm running the "merge3-per-file" version of bzr and it just pops into "pdb" all the time. Can't see that it has any breakpoint set ot anything. Typing "cont" will run for a while and then stop at the same line again. Any advice?
[10:07] <jelmer> blaudden, Is that John Meinel's branch?
[10:08] <jelmer> You'd probably want to talk to him - he's around here as "jam" but it's probably too early for him right now
[10:08] <blaudden> yes, it looks like that from "bzr log"
[10:08] <blaudden> ok, i'll hang around. Thanks!
[10:14] <spiv> blaudden: presumably there's a "pdb.set_trace()" either in your branch of bzr, or perhaps in a plugin
[10:14] <spiv> blaudden: I'd try grepping for pdb in your branch of bzr and also in ~/.bazaar/plugins
[10:14] <spiv> If you do "bt" at the (pdb) prompt it should give an indication of where the pdb.set_trace() line is
[10:15] <blaudden> spiv: i'll try that.
[10:18] <blaudden> 850  	            import pdb; pdb.set_trace();
[10:18] <blaudden> thanks!
[10:20] <spiv> blaudden: ta-da :)
[10:25] <poolie> hello
[10:26] <jelmer> spiv,poolie: Hallo!
[10:50] <rick_h__> lifeless: still around?
[10:53] <lifeless> rick_h__: yes, going v soon though to start travelling home
[10:54] <rick_h__> lifeless: cool, have a good trip then
[10:54] <rick_h__> just wanted to try to get this repo/branch thing right in my head
[10:54] <lifeless> ok
[10:54] <rick_h__> check that "commiting to the repo" "add files to the repo" were good
[10:54] <rick_h__> and that creating a branch, and serving out the branch were right
[10:55] <rick_h__> the docs with the shared repository for multiple branches seemed to make some sense
[10:56] <rick_h__> I've just never set it up that way so repo == branch for appearance
[10:56] <lifeless> yeah
[10:56] <lifeless> branch is the user abstraction people work with
[10:57] <lifeless> there is always a repository for  abranch, its implicitly created if no explicit one was made by the user
[10:57] <rick_h__> so should I also commit your changes to the branch then?
[10:57] <rick_h__> and the only time really refer to the repository is if setting up a shared one?
[10:57] <lifeless> yup
[10:58] <spiv> jelmer: hey
[10:58] <rick_h__> ok, sounds like a plan then
[10:58] <lifeless> the tip of a branch is the latest revision
[10:58] <lifeless> a branch has a tip, tags, and configuration details
[10:58] <rick_h__> yea, that comment in that article threw me a bit, but I found some of the docs that seemed to clear it up more
[10:58] <spiv> jelmer: how soon will bzr-svn be faster (the "find_tags is slow" bug)? :)
[10:59] <rick_h__> well have a nice trip lifeless and hopefully this article will be life in Oct and then I can bug you on some more advanced stuff :)
[11:00] <lifeless> sure thing
[11:25] <jelmer> spiv: couple of days hopefully
[11:44] <Peng_> With one slow and large svn repository, bzr-svn spends a massive amount of time crawling the whole thing for tags even when I do a no-op "pull", and even though the branch I actually have checked out is quite tiny.
[11:44] <jelmer> Peng, there's an open bug about this
[11:46] <Peng_> Okay. Well, if you want an example branch, http://software.inl.fr/svn/mirror/tools/ipy/trunk (but I didn't try to reproduce it; I don't feel good about abusing random svn servers to test things).
[11:46] <jelmer> Peng_, Thanks for reporting this. It'll hopefully be fixed in a couple of days
[11:47] <jelmer> (see also spivs comments a couple of lines back)
[11:47] <Peng_> Yeah, since the subject had been brought up, I just wanted to mention it.
[13:05] <kiorky> jelmer: uhm i have another problem, i have a bzr+qsvn branch, then i rebranch locally, but it trys to acces the foreign repo. Why ?
[13:06] <kiorky> jelmer: the work connection is pretty bad, soi like to work offline :)
[13:09] <trepca> hey
[13:49] <jelmer> kiorky, hi
[13:50] <jelmer> kiorky, I suspect you don't have an actual local branch but just a local working tree
[13:50] <jelmer> kiorky: E.g. "svn co" will not create a local branch
[14:07] <kiorky> jelmer: i used bzr branch svn+http://svncred:pass@foo
[14:07] <kiorky> jelmer: then bzr branch ../path
[14:08] <jelmer> kiorky: Where ../path was created with "bzr branch" ?
[14:08] <kiorky> the first yes : "bzr branch svn+http://svncred:pass@foo"
[14:08] <jelmer> not "bzr co" ?
[14:08] <kiorky> nope
[14:09] <jelmer> if that created "foo" then "bzr branch foo bla" should not access the network
[14:09] <kiorky> i can redo it to double check
[14:09] <kiorky> let me a minute
[14:11] <kiorky> jelmer: ~>bzr branch foo bar
 Login LDAP Makina Corpus mpa password:
[14:11] <kiorky> jelmer: :)
[14:12] <kiorky> which a fresh bzr branch svn+...
[14:12] <kiorky> (in foo)
[15:50] <nevans> bug in bzr-svn relating to checkouts: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/248289
[15:50] <nevans> It seems that bzr will try to lock the checked-out branch during a bound branch's commit...
[15:51] <nevans> but it can't lock an svn "branch", so it winds up rewinding history on the svn repo.  :-(
[15:53] <nevans> I didn't even notice this had happened until recently... apparently I've done it four times in the last six months...
[15:53] <nevans> s/done it/triggered this bug/
[16:28] <pickscrape> Is there something in bzrlib that I can use to list files in a remote directory? I'm specifically talking about a non-branch directory (e.g. a directory that might contain branches)
[16:30]  * pickscrape looks at bzrlib.transport
[16:34] <james_w> pickscrape: there is listdir(), but it doesn't work over http
[16:36] <pickscrape> james_w: I've got transport's list_dir working very nicely over bzr+ssh, thanks!
[16:46] <bpeterson> Bazaar can use a variety of different libraries for http, correct?
[16:47] <luks> where 'variety' == two
[16:47] <bpeterson> urllib and pycurl?
[16:47] <luks> but I think plain urllib2 is now the prefered one
[16:47] <luks> yes
[16:48] <bpeterson> is one faster than the other?
[16:48] <luks> faster in what way?
[16:48] <luks> even if one is faster than the other, it won't be noticable
[16:49] <luks> network will be limiting them, not CPU
[16:49] <bpeterson> it's just that bzr over http seems quite slow to me
[16:49] <luks> bzr is slow over http
[16:49] <luks> or generally, bzr is slow :)
[16:49] <bpeterson> especially with networking
[16:49] <james_w> bpeterson: slower than what?
[16:49] <bpeterson> hg
[16:50] <bpeterson> I still use Bazaar because st, diffing, and committing are pretty snappy, but not networking...
[16:50] <luks> what format are you using?
[16:50] <luks> (bzr info)
[16:51] <bpeterson> rich-root-pack
[16:51] <luks> ah, not much you can do, I'm afraid
[16:52] <bpeterson> is rich-root-pack a comprise for space over something else?
[16:53] <radix> bpeterson: I think what he means is that the pack-based formats are the most efficient formats right now, so there's nothing better for you to upgrade to for better performance over HTTP
[16:53] <james_w> bpeterson: static-http for hg?
[16:53] <bpeterson> yep
[16:55] <nevans> how does sftp compare to http for performance?
[16:55] <nevans> still the same bottleneck?
[16:56] <bpeterson> actually I'm more concerned with performance over bzr+ssh
[16:56] <fullermd> No, I think sftp has all different bottlenecks   :)
[16:57] <fullermd> I'm pretty sure sftp eats more round trips, so it's probably a bit more latency sensitive.
[16:57] <bpeterson> it's over ssh, so shouldn't have state?
[16:57] <fullermd> Well, bzr+ssh is a totally different beast from either, so...
[16:58] <bpeterson> mm
[16:59] <nevans> I think it must depend a lot on various factors (e.g. size of your repo).  I just did some tests on a very small branch of mine... and bzr+ssh actually went slower than http.
[17:00] <nevans> probably because it has additional overhead of ssh connection and starting up bzr on the remote end
[17:00] <bpeterson> I'm working with the Python core bzr repo; ~200 MB
[17:34] <LeoNerd> 'bzr st' still claims a pending merge, even though I've shelved it away for now... How might I clear that?
[17:35] <LeoNerd> In actual fact I probably want to just revert it, but I'm keeping it shelved for now
[17:35] <bpeterson> LeoNerd: bzr resolve
[17:35] <luks> bzr revert --forget-merges
[17:35] <LeoNerd> Ah yes; the latter did it
[17:35] <LeoNerd> bpeterson: isn't that for conflicts?
[17:35] <bpeterson> yes, never mind
[17:40] <bialix> luks: hi
[17:40] <luks> hey
[17:40] <bialix> good evening
[17:41] <bialix> luks, Garyvdm was very helpful in fixing regressions
[17:41] <bialix> I think we are ready to release 0.9.2
[17:41] <luks> I haven't followed the latest fixes
[17:41] <bialix> I'm planing to prepare some screenshots with new features
[17:41] <luks> but the current state is usable for me
[17:42] <bialix> me and Gary have fixed all known (for me) regressions so far
[17:43] <pickscrape> Does anyone know what happened to the bzr gentoo overlay?
[17:43] <bialix> luks: so I'm about to starting release process tonight or tomorrow
[17:43] <luks> cool, thanks a lot
[17:44] <luks> I've uploaded translations to launchpad, still waiting for review :(
[17:44] <bialix> I saw.
[17:44] <bialix> I'm confused because I could cange status of some translations
[17:44] <bialix> I'm confused because I could change status of some translations
[17:45] <bialix> I won't wait for translations and don't want to delay release
[17:45] <bialix> but if you wanna to update sk.po I'll wait
[17:45] <bialix> pickscrape: what's up with Gentoo?
[17:47] <pickscrape> Well, I added the overlay a while back to layman, which set it up as a bzr branch that it would pull
[17:47] <pickscrape> But lately it seems that the branch it pointed at has gone away.
[17:47] <pickscrape> Wondering if it has died or just been moved somewhere else.
[17:47] <bialix> luks, I can't create deb for linux. But it will be nice to have it for 0.9.2. This release will be a bomb
[17:48] <luks> bialix: umm, I might do it
[17:48] <luks> but I actually wanted to get rid of the PPA
[17:48] <luks> it's easy to install it on linux
[17:48] <bialix> well, I'm fine either way
[17:49] <bialix> if you will close PPA, then I'll just need to update our wiki page properly
[17:49] <luks> I did :)
[17:49] <luks> or do you mean more than removing it from there?
[17:49] <pickscrape> Is bzr-gtk no longer going to be in the bzr PPA then?
[17:50] <luks> this is about qbzr
[17:50] <pickscrape> oic
[17:50] <bialix> pickscrape: I'm actually using Windows, but I saw this: https://launchpad.net/bzr-gentoo-overlay May be it helps you
[17:51] <pickscrape> bialix: thanks, I just found that myself. I think they might have moved it, so I'm setting it up again to find out...
[17:51] <bialix> luks: I mean this: https://launchpad.net/~luks/+archive
[17:51] <bialix> I don't know PPA well, so maybe presence of 0.9.0 confused me a bit
[17:52] <luks> let me see if I can remove 0.9.0 from there
[17:52] <bialix> ok. I'm just wanted to check this with you
[17:53] <luks> I'll probably build 0.9.2 after the release
[17:53] <luks> but in a ~qbzr-dev PPA
[17:53] <bialix> ah, ok. make sense
[17:56] <chadmiller> Hi.  I work in a project that makes a lot of tags.  |wc -l  says "320".  This brings into relief that tagging in bzr is kind of weird.
[17:57] <LeoNerd> A tag is just a human-readable "friendly" name for a revision... same as a hostname is just a friendly name for an IP address
[18:00] <jam> chadmiller: How are you using tags, and how is it a bit weird in bzr?
[18:00] <jam> (eg, care to elaborate?)
[18:00] <jam> You might be using branches for tags, which is an older way that is certainly clumsier
[18:01] <chadmiller> Consider this morning:  Tim noticed that some tag was on the wrong revision.  He used "bzr tag --delete", "bzr tag", "bzr push" to change it.  Paul comes along and, on pull, gets "Conflicting tags:\n\tblah-blah".  This concerns Paul.  He's questions whether his tree is valid, completed "pull" correctly, et c.
[18:02] <jam> chadmiller: well, tim could have used "bzr tag --force" but sure
[18:02] <chadmiller> He can't tell very much with "missing" or "log".
[18:03] <jam> The problem is that tags aren't versioned
[18:03] <jam> so when they disagree
[18:03] <jam> we don't know which one is "more correct"
[18:03] <chadmiller> Right.
[18:03] <jam> we've had some long discussions about it
[18:03] <jam> it is hard to do better without introducing a whole lot of "meta" overhead
[18:04] <jam> chadmiller: is there some ui polish we could apply to make it a bit more understandable?
[18:06] <chadmiller> I think my biggest problem with it is informational.  Maybe the "Conflicting tags" message should also have "Don't Panic" in warm, friendly letters.
[18:08] <jam> Conflicting tags: <3 <3
[18:08] <jam> Something like that?
[18:08] <Jc2k> now it sounds like bzr is enjoying your suffering
[18:09] <bpeterson> perhaps provide a bzr tag --rename command?
[18:09] <bpeterson> or document that you should use bzr tag --force if you want to rename
[18:10] <bpeterson> here, I'll send you a bundle
[18:11] <jam> bpeterson: "bzr help tag"
[18:11] <jam> --force               Replace existing tags.
[18:11] <jam> But if it is missing in other documentation, feel free :)
[18:12] <jam> also, '--rename' sounds like it would change the name of the tag (but point to the same revision)
[18:12] <jam> which isn't the same as pointing the same name to a different revision
[18:12] <chadmiller> :)  "Your $(verb)s completed, but upstream disagrees about which revisions these tags should appear on.  Your tags were not updated.  Conflicts:\n"
[18:12] <bpeterson> isnt' that what chadmiller wanted?
[18:12] <chadmiller> "%", not "$", grr.
[18:12] <jam> chadmiller: well, probably 'not all tags were updated"
[18:12] <jam> but I understand
[18:13] <chadmiller> Something in the "tag{,s} --help" about resolving those would be good too.
[18:15] <chadmiller> And "bzr pull --clobber-local-tags" ?
[18:15] <bpeterson> so if you want to rename a tag (change the name, but keep it on the same revision), you should bzr tag --delete name and bzr tag --force name
[18:15] <bpeterson> ?
[18:15] <pickscrape> We actually encountered exactly this this mornin g
[18:15] <jam> bpeterson: I would do "bzr tag new-name -r tag:oldname"
[18:15] <jam> and then "bzr tag --delete oldname" if you prefer
[18:15] <pickscrape> A colleague changed a tag, and when I tried to pull I got the 'conflicting' message
[18:15] <jam> but deleting tags doesn't propagate at the moment..
[18:16] <pickscrape> The solution was for me to redefine the tag at my end, after that pull worked.
[18:17] <pickscrape> The problem is, I didn't know (other than talking to him myself) what revision he had changed it to
[18:17] <jam> pickscrape: I *think* you can also "pull --overwrite" but I'm not 100% sure.
[18:17] <jam> pickscrape: bzr log -r tag:NAME path/to/his/branch
[18:18] <pickscrape> jam: I was worried about --overwrite clobbering my local changes
[18:18] <jam> or 'bzr tags -d /path/to/his/branch"
[18:18] <pickscrape> It would have been good if the message had told me which revision the tag was defined as upstream
[18:24] <bpeterson> uhh. that new launchpad ui sure gets me
[18:52] <trepca> is there anyway to save my password for HTTP auth
[18:52] <trepca> it's a pain typing it every time
[18:52] <trepca> even worse ... it asks me several time
[19:04] <chadmiller> Uhm, is the ppa "bzr-beta-ppa" a likely candidate for the real release?
[19:05] <chadmiller> There's some serious evil in there.
[19:05] <jam> Care to list specific evil?
[19:05] <jam> I know poolie plans a couple changes before an rc1
[19:06] <chadmiller> etc/bash_completion.d/bzrbashprompt.sh .   1) clobbering $PS1.  2a) running a python interpreter twice for every shell prompt.  2b) running /bzr/ twice for every shell prompt.
[19:07] <jam> chadmiller: ah, that is planned to be fixed
[19:07] <jam> we weren't meant to install that file
[19:07] <jam> it is a packaging issue
[19:07] <chadmiller> Whew!  Okay, good.
[19:07] <jam> in the short term you can just rm that one
[19:08] <radix> that reminds me of when I installed git-core and it installed a bash completion file which ran git twice
[19:08] <radix> unfortunately, there's another program I have installed in ~/bin called "git", which is an interactive fiction interpreter for Glulx games
[19:09] <radix> so every time I started a new terminal two GUI windows would pop up and give an error message
[19:11] <jam> radix: at least it wasn't on every \t :)
[19:11] <radix> heh, yeah
[19:34] <pickscrape> I'm writing a plugin for internal use that provides a main command with subcommands (shelf-style)
[19:35] <pickscrape> it's been going well, but I'm now having a problem adding options to the subcommands
[19:35] <pickscrape> It seems that bzrlib is trying to parse them as part of the main command, and complaining that it doesn't have the option
[19:36] <pickscrape> I suppose this is because subcommands are a bit of a hack, bit I'm wondering if anyone knows of a workaround
[19:37] <LarstiQ> pickscrape: ah, you're overloading short options that already exist in bzr?
[19:37] <LarstiQ> pickscrape: oh no, I see now.
[19:38] <LarstiQ> pickscrape: well, as a hacky workaround, combine the main command's options from the subcommand options?
[19:38] <pickscrape> LarstiQ: I was just going to try that. It might work, the only problem being the options would show up againt the main command in the help output. I will give it a try though
[19:43] <LarstiQ> pickscrape: yeah
[19:46] <james_w> pickscrape: you may be able to write a subclass of Command that works better with subcommands
[19:47] <pickscrape> james_w: I thought I'd find that when I originally looked at the shelf code, but didn't. Now that I've hit this obstacle I think I might revisit that idea again :)
[19:47] <james_w> it would be a useful thing to have in the core for other plugins to make use of, e.g. shelve
[19:48] <pickscrape> Yes, I was thinking that too. If I get one working I'll see about making it available to bzr. Thing is, nothing in bzrlib would actually need it right now.
[19:49] <LarstiQ> pickscrape: but because it isn't there, no one feels invited to use it :)
[19:49] <pickscrape> chicken/egg :)
[19:49] <pickscrape> My concern is more related to testing/bitrot: if it gets added but not used etc...
[19:49] <LarstiQ> pickscrape: right, I see.
[19:50] <pickscrape> I suppose shelf could keep it happy though if it was migrated to use it.
[19:50] <LarstiQ> pickscrape: if there are two plugins using it though, I think the use part is reasonably covered. For it to be accepted into core it needs to be fully covered with tests anyhow.
[19:50]  * LarstiQ nods
[19:51] <pickscrape> Hmm, on that idea, perhaps it would be better added to bzrtools initially, and then to core once stable etc?
[20:04] <Gilgad13> if i want to move an entire directory that is versioned, how would i do so?  i've tried "bzr mv oldDir path\to\newDir" but i get an error that newDir is not versioned.  Do I have to create and add newDir first?  Is it possible to move whole directories?
[20:04] <Gilgad13> i'm using windows, if it matters
[20:05] <pickscrape> Is newdir inside the same branch as the directory you're moving?
[20:06] <Gilgad13> yes, its executed exactly like that, ie. both paths are relative
[20:06] <LarstiQ> Gilgad13: is path\to\ versioned?
[20:06] <pickscrape> Does path\to already exist and versioned?
[20:06] <Gilgad13> no, should it be?
[20:06] <pickscrape> Gilgad13: yes
[20:06] <LarstiQ> Gilgad13: I'd think so.
[20:07] <Gilgad13> hang on...
[20:07] <james_w> is there a typo in oldDir
[20:07] <james_w> I think if that is the case it complains about the wrong thing
[20:07] <Gilgad13> no, versioning path\to worked
[20:09] <Gilgad13> and an obvious next question.  can I undo a specific move, without reverting to last commit?
[20:18] <Gilgad13> no handy undo-last?
[20:19] <pickscrape> bzr uncommit will undo your last commit, but it will cause problems if the commit has been published elsewhere
[20:20] <Gilgad13> i'm talking about operations between commits, like complex reorg's with multiple moves.  Right now i either bzr revert or move the moved file
[20:20] <pickscrape> Oh. I think revert should do what you need it to
[20:20] <Gilgad13> but it would be nice to have the safety net
[20:21] <Gilgad13> well, if i'm like 4 move's in, it would suck to redo them because of a typo
[20:21] <LarstiQ> Gilgad13: if it's really complex there is no silver bullet.
[20:21] <pickscrape> revert won't undo only the last move I don't think
[20:21] <Gilgad13> damn, i like silver bullets
[20:21] <pickscrape> AFAIK it just looks at the WC picture as a whole.
[20:21] <Gilgad13> pickscrape: exactly
[20:21] <Gilgad13> so i'd have to start over
[20:22] <LarstiQ> starting over doesn't seem like the way to go?
[20:22] <pickscrape> Could you just bzr mv the file back again?
[20:22] <LarstiQ> Gilgad13: but I don't have a clear enough picture of your situation to really give advice.
[20:22] <Gilgad13> pickscrape: its what i've been doing
[20:22] <james_w> you can "bzr mv" back, and "revert path" would probably do it, but obviously would do the wrong thing if the files were modified as well
[20:22] <Gilgad13> LarstiQ: its mostly hypethetical, so no worries
[20:23] <LarstiQ> Gilgad13: are you looking for a revert that only undoes treeshape changes, not content changes?
[20:23] <Gilgad13> LarstiQ: yes, and if possible lets me select specific changes
[20:23] <LarstiQ> problem with that being creating a tree state that never existed in history, but yes.
[20:24] <LarstiQ> Gilgad13: what do you mean exactly? 'bzr revert -r a..b path/' wouldn't be enough?
[20:26] <Gilgad13> having experimented more, i think its a mental problem with how i thought bzr recorded moves
[20:26] <Gilgad13> as in, i thought the recorded a log of actions, but i now see that only the beginning (ie, last commit) and end(now) state matter, not how many moves were applied inbetween
[20:27] <Gilgad13> s/the/bzr in first line
[20:27] <LarstiQ> Gilgad13: ah, indeed.
[20:42] <pickscrape> LarstiQ: I may be jumping the gun a bit here, but it looks like the only change needed to get subcommands working properly is to call parser.disable_interspersed_args() in _parse_args after retrieving it
[20:43] <pickscrape> Sorry, parse_args
[20:43] <pickscrape> (I moved it into a local subclass and called it _parse_args.)
[20:43] <pickscrape> So if that was moved into the Command class itself, a simple switch could potentially allow subcommands with options to function.
[20:44] <pickscrape> Hopefully I didn't make any other changes that I forgot to take into account here...
[21:06] <pickscrape> In fact, simply adding that right into bzrlib appears to make everything work, and doesn't appear to break anything else.
[21:06]  * pickscrape goes off to run the bzr unit tests for the first time ever :)
[21:15] <pickscrape> Yeah, it does break some things. :) This is what tests are for.,..
[21:36] <lifeless> Gilgad13: you can 'bzr revert FILENAME'
[21:36] <Gilgad13> aye, but what would that do with regards to moves?  unmove them?
[21:37] <Gilgad13> revert content changes?
[21:38] <meatballhat> are transparent checkouts from svn supposed to 'just work'?
[21:48] <lifeless> Gilgad13: it would put the path back and revert content changes; I think there i sroom for a --path-only flag or something
[21:48] <lifeless> meatballhat: yes, though you can't pull or merge into a an actual svn tree
[21:49] <lifeless> meatballhat: ((ecause svn can't add revisions without doing a commit to a branch)
[21:56] <meatballhat> lifeless: so there is nothing akin to the 'git-svn' interface, or do I misunderstand? :)
[21:57] <lifeless> meatballhat: you misunderstand
[21:57] <lifeless> meatballhat: 'svn co svn://... foo && cd foo && bzr merge bzr://...' -> FAIL (the .svn directory is not capable of representing a pending merge)
[21:58] <lifeless> meatballhat: 'bzr branch svn://... foo && cd foo && bzr merge bzr://... && bzr commit && bzr push svn://...' -> WIN
[21:59] <meatballhat> lifeless: so I use bzr <command> with 'svn://' urls? or are you only explaining the workflow?
[22:00] <meatballhat> rather, is the use case documented for "I'm at work and my company uses Subversion, but I'd like to interface with it using Bzr" ?  :)
[22:03] <lifeless> meatballhat: I think its documented on the FAQ
[22:03] <lifeless> meatballhat: and yes, you use svn urls with bzr
[22:04] <meatballhat> lifeless: thanks much!
[22:17] <wingo--tp> what's robert collins' nick? any idea why he hasn't definitively commented on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/239499 ?
[22:19] <lifeless> wingo--tp: that would be me
[22:19] <wingo--tp> ah hello good sir!
[22:19] <lifeless> wingo--tp: I've been travelling for the last two weeks; kind of fragments things
[22:19] <wingo--tp> ah ok
[22:19] <wingo--tp> i'll wait then :)
[22:19]  * wingo--tp just got back to a normal rhythm, post-guadec
[22:20] <lifeless> yah, I had a distro sprint post guadec, then LRL
[22:20] <lifeless> currently in an airport
[22:20] <wingo--tp> yowsers
[22:23] <thumper> lifeless: what is LRL?
[22:23] <lifeless> thumper: lug radio live
[22:23] <thumper> ah
[22:42] <jam> lifeless: I thought it might be something like "Living Real Life", but I was pretty sure you don't do that :)
[22:42]  * lifeless gestures
[22:45] <lifeless> jam: what do you think of the marks rfc?
[23:01] <jam> lifeless: I think it could be really neat, as long as it doesn't get too complex for the user
[23:01] <jam> the hunk-level support is interesting
[23:02] <jam> I'm not sure how we would layer it in for stuff like 'commit', though I'm sure it is possible
[23:02] <jam> I guess it could just be a MarksTree(WorkingTree)
[23:03] <jam> lifeless: I was just looking over your testresources code, aren't you being naughty and iterating over a dictionary you are mutating?
[23:03] <jam> Or is that strictly allowed with your priorityDictionary
[23:04] <poolie> jam, hello
[23:04] <jam> hi poolie, ready for a call?
[23:05] <poolie> yes, does skype suit you
[23:05] <lifeless> jam: I don't recall; its nearly entirely paged out
[23:05] <jam> lifeless: no problem, looking closer it seems to be the way it is designed
[23:05] <jam> poolie: skype is fine
[23:06] <jam> lifeless: sorry to hear about your flight being delayed, are you on your way back to AU?
[23:06] <lifeless> yes
[23:06] <lifeless> jam: I think marks should be core
[23:06] <lifeless> poolie has said hes concerned by that :)
[23:07] <lifeless> I just think its likely to need to be pretty fundamental to work well and consistently
[23:07] <jam> lifeless: I think marks is hooking into a lot of places, so it would end up decorating a lot of commands
[23:07] <jam> status/diff at a minimum
[23:07] <lifeless> jam: yah
[23:07] <jam> commit
[23:07] <poolie> i was imagining a decorator type object too
[23:07] <jam> I'm not sure about update
[23:07] <lifeless> so I'm thinking a WT5 tree; with methods to get a flavour view
[23:08] <jam> poolie: yeah, even if it was "WT.get_view('xxx') which returned ViewTree(self)
[23:08] <poolie> i don't really necessarily mind it being in the core as long
[23:08] <lifeless> or even just change the view on the main object
[23:08] <poolie> something about that mail worried me on first reading
[23:08] <poolie> i would hope that we can work out a way to eg make a ViewTree rather than patching things all over the place
[23:09] <lifeless> lets not use the term view here
[23:09] <lifeless> views are Ian's partial-files-on-disk project
[23:09] <lifeless> which has some overlap but is different
[23:09] <jam> lifeless: well, MarksTree is a bit clumsy, but something like that
[23:09] <jam> sure
[23:09] <lifeless> (I realise I used the term view above; naughty robert :))
[23:10] <poolie> it would also be nice to support
[23:10] <poolie> commit --interactive
[23:10] <poolie> which would ask which files or hunks to commit
[23:10] <lifeless> jam: one way is to decorate a WT; another is to alter the behaviour of the WT itself
[23:10] <lifeless> poolie: yes, bzr-interactive does this already
[23:10] <poolie> and this might want to create a transient in-memory view just for that one command
[23:10] <poolie> oh, nice
[23:10] <lifeless> poolie: and I think I proposed a way to do that in the thread using marks
[23:10] <jam> lifeless: sure, though I think doing it with a decorator is a bit better separation of concern
[23:10] <jam> but as long as it is tasteful, either way is fine
[23:11] <lifeless> merge needs to preserve marks for instance
[23:11] <lifeless> indeed tree transform needs to know
[23:14] <lifeless> though perhaps a lookaside structure will work
[23:14] <bud3030_> Hi Bzr I have a 2nd pc with hardy on it I wen to change passwd under preference  now the new and old want auth.
[23:16] <bud3030_> If there is not a fix that mean a clean install
[23:17] <lifeless> what protocol are you using with bzr?
[23:18] <jam> lifeless: do we have any way of creating branching/merging history without creating a real tree on disk?
[23:18] <jam> BranchBuilder and MemoryTree don't really seem to offer that functionality
[23:20] <lifeless> jam: they both do, but at quite a low level, not by calling merge()
[23:20] <jam> lifeless: how do you create the second branch?
[23:21] <jam> BranchBuilder only has 'build_commit'
[23:21] <jam> and never exposes its tree
[23:21] <lifeless> oh hmm; remember tired :) I'm sure MemoryTree supports set_parent_ids
[23:21] <lifeless> BranchBBuilder though I dunno
[23:21] <jam> ah, I guess
[23:22] <jam> I guess I could do the 1 MemoryTree and use uncommit, etc to move it around
[23:22] <jam> I'll try it
[23:22] <jam> Though I guess I also need to create files in the tree
[23:22] <jam> which is difficult with MemoryTree ... :(
[23:22] <jam> oh, I guess you have put_file_bytes...
[23:23] <lifeless> right
[23:23] <lifeless> its why it exists :P
[23:23] <jam> but it requires a file_id
[23:23] <jam> which is a bit odd for creating a new file
[23:23] <lifeless> yes, which add gives you
[23:23] <lifeless> add([foo], [fooid], [file])
[23:23] <jam> so you just "add(['foo']" even though foo doesn't actual exist?
[23:23] <lifeless> put_file_bytes(fooid, content)
[23:23] <jam> _add you mean?
[23:23] <lifeless> public add
[23:24] <jam> ah, and by passing the kinds it shortcuts '_gather_kinds'
[23:24] <jam> ok
[23:25] <lifeless> could you eyeball https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/250514 please
[23:29] <jam> lifeless: I thought we already had a proper patch for that a while ago
[23:29] <jam> maybe it just didn't make it into trunk?
[23:30] <lifeless> ><
[23:30] <jam> jamesh: ^^ Didn't you work up a proper "resend ehlo after starting tls" ?
[23:31] <jam> lifeless: ah, it is the one in bzrlib which is fixed
[23:31] <jam> And for some reason the 'email' plugin doesn't use the one in bzrlib
[23:31] <lifeless> I thought it had been patched to do so :(
[23:32] <jam> lifeless: well, it is parameterized
[23:32] <jam> so it looks easy to do so
[23:32] <jam> but for some reason, I don't see a "from bzrlib import XXX"
[23:33] <lifeless> weird
[23:34] <jam> lifeless: I uploaded a simple patch on it
[23:38] <lifeless> jam: thanks


[12:27] <Dimicu1> Hi guys, mind to help me a sec.. where can i find information about my usb ? think i have messed up mine when i specified a wrong mount point
[12:30] <cliebow> maybe umount /dev/sd*
[12:34] <Dimicu1> well the thing is that i had a usb hdd inserted. and i took properties on it and changed mount point on it. after that its mezzed up prolly because the mount point i choosed was mezzed up. and now everytime i insert it i get a strange error message about the mount point
[12:34] <Dimicu1> i can mount it and i cant unmount it
[12:34] <Dimicu1> cant
[12:35] <Dimicu1> so is there maybee so that that USb module has a code string in it that when i use it it gonna moount it on the place i specified
[02:16] <mario> where did cbx33 ran now
[02:16] <mario> ergh
[02:16] <mario> evil him
[04:13] <nickzxcv> is it possible to install edubuntu from pxe?
[04:13] <nickzxcv> supposedly I need the alternate cd but there doesn't seem to be one for edubuntu
[04:14] <nickzxcv> I would think pxe install would be a very common situation in schools, maybe even more common than pxe-booting thin clients
[04:15] <nickzxcv> where I went to school at least, they used norton ghost for everything to install on all the workstation hard drives
[04:55] <LaserJock> nickzxcv: I'm not sure how a pe install would work
[04:55] <LaserJock> nickzxcv: btw, in Edubuntu the Server CD is like an alternate CD in Ubuntu
[09:20] <nickzxcv> LaserJock: cool, so can I get a edubuntu desktop install from pxe booting with the files on the server cd?
[09:42] <Laser_away> nickzxcv: I have no idea really, but I suspect not
[09:52] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: go to bed :)_
[10:15] <Laser_away> Burgundavia: you first
[10:15] <Laser_away> ;-)
[10:15] <Burgundavia> heh
[10:27] <mpytasz> ping ogra
[06:52] <jelkner> i just dist-upgraded from edgy to feisty
[06:52] <jelkner> everything seemed to go well, and the server works fine
[06:52] <jelkner> but clients won't boot
[06:52] <jelkner> i get:
[06:52] <jelkner> Your /etc/fstab does not contain the fsck passno field.
[06:53] <jelkner> and a bunch of syslod: /var/log/<log files> : Permission denied
[06:53] <jelkner> anyone familiar with this?
[07:02] <nixternal> ogra: the classroom awaits your talk :)
[07:04] <juliux_hsv> !seen ogra
[07:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen ogra - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:11] <sacater> highvoltage: hey
[07:11] <sacater> highvoltage: any news i should know on that 2nd May gathering
[07:25] <jelkner> never mind
[07:25] <jelkner> rebuilding the client environment did the trick
[07:39] <highvoltage> hey sacater
[07:40] <highvoltage> sacater: I'm not sure. but I could pass on any information as soon as I have it.
[08:43] <sacater> highvoltage: btw, im now using gizmo, add<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you wish to call me