[00:00] <valorie> !info dolphin trusty
[00:01] <valorie> !info dolphin zesty
[00:01] <valorie> so we support two right now: 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1 in yakkety
[00:01] <yocs0000> valorie: sudo apt-get install dolphin4
[00:01] <valorie> !info dolphin4
[00:02] <valorie> okey-doke, you can
[00:02] <valorie> but why?
[00:02] <yocs0000> valorie: I know that
[00:02] <valorie> actually, that's the same
[00:02] <valorie> so perhaps it's not fully ported yet?
[00:03] <yocs0000> valorie: to use some scripts that are only for dolphin4
[00:03] <valorie> it's the same
[00:03] <valorie> or, hmmm
[00:03] <valorie> ubottu is feeding us wonky info
[00:04] <valorie> anyway, try and see
[00:04] <yocs0000> valorie: thanks!
[00:05] <yocs0000> have to go, have a good evening!
[00:05] <acheronuk> is what the same?
[00:09] <valorie> acheronuk: dolphin4
[00:09] <valorie> and dolphin without the 4
[00:09] <valorie> they have the same version number according to ubottu
[00:09] <valorie> !info dophine
[00:09] <valorie> pfff
[00:09] <valorie> !info dophin
[00:09] <valorie> !info dolphin
[00:10] <valorie> !info dolphin4
[00:10] <acheronuk> yes, but they are part of kde apps, so the versions will be the same
[00:10] <acheronuk> 16.04.3 in this case, as all the apps of that release are
[00:11] <acheronuk> but they are produced by different source packages
[00:12] <acheronuk> kde-baseapps which is old legacy qt4 stuff
[00:12] <acheronuk> and dolphin source which is a new qt5 version
[00:15] <valorie> that's what I thought, but the versioning is strange to me
[00:16] <acheronuk> just both part of a single kde app release, so they have the same.
[00:17] <acheronuk> internal versions will be different
[00:19] <arturo_> helloo, can someone help me? I'd like to customize the way I move the windows to give it a mac effect, how can I install this?
[00:20] <valorie> alt+f2 and type effects
[00:21] <valorie> I dunno what "mac effect" is, but maybe you'll find one you like
[00:26] <arturo_> lol coool
[00:26] <arturo_> yeah I found what I wanted, it's called woobly window
[00:27] <arturo_> btw how can I make a snap of my OS? since I'm new to linux I'm afraid that I could mess up something
[00:31] <arturo_> and btw how can I switch between virtual desktops?
[01:00] <Fritigern> I have a bit of an issue. I did a fresh install of Kubuntu 16.10, but now most of my ports seem to be blocked. Before I did the reinstall, this was not the case. I have a couple of port ranges which I wish to open for a few different servers and daemons that I am running. For example, I would like to SSH to my machine on port 22, and have a game server running on port 31294 (or there abouts)
[01:00] <Fritigern> To be clear, this is NOT a router issue, my router did not see a config change in a very long time
[02:21] <arturo> how can I minimize all the windows at once with the keyboard?
[02:22] <arturo> control+F12, found it
[02:25] <soee> they are not minimized imo
[02:25] <soee> this is show desktop effect and you see transparent part of the windows in the screen corners
[02:25] <EventHorizon> afternoon everyone...  Where is the lock screen clock.qml?  The login screen is at:/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/components/
[02:25] <soee> there is a widget with button to minimize all windows
[03:54] <lauritzt[m]> EventHorizon: The theme is in /usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.kde.breeze.desktop/contents/lockscreen/, though it doesn't contact a clock.qml file.
[03:58] <EventHorizon> afternoon.  any idea where the lock screen clock.qml is located???
[04:13] <Lewoco> What does the 'Activity Pager' widget that you can add to your task bar actually do?
[04:13] <Lewoco> I've added it but it doesn't seem to occupy any space so I can't even see it unless I modify the task bar settings.
[04:21] <Lewoco> Oh I think I get it, "Activities" are a container for workspaces.
[07:10] <irctc353> how do I get my seagate 2TB formatted as exFAT to read on kubuntu?  i search online and found out all i need to do is typed in sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils but nothing happens, terminal says Package exfat-utils is not available but is referred to by another package This may mean that the package is missing is obsoleted or is only available from another source
[07:13] <irctc353> hello? anybody here
[07:16] <valorie> irctc353: what version of Kubuntu?
[07:16] <irctc353> 16.10
[07:16] <valorie> !info exfat-fuse
[07:17] <valorie> !info exfat-utils
[07:17] <valorie> did you do sudo apt update first?
[07:18] <valorie> you might try `sudo apt update && sudo apt install exfat-fuse exfat-utils`
[07:19] <irctc353> its updating now
[07:21] <irctc353> i guess i didnt do sudo update first
[07:22] <irctc353> i have another question, i was searching for VLC on Software Center and cant find it
[07:27] <irctc353> !info vlc
[07:28] <DarinMiller> irctc353: The software center is going through some growing pains as the moment and does not display all packages.
[07:28] <DarinMiller> sudo apt install vlc  should do the trick.
[08:42] <LINKSWORD2> Hello, claydoh, Cueball, Khaotic and Elysion_..... Been a long time since I've seen you all.
[08:44] <LINKSWORD2> I could use some help. I keep getting a notification icon in the popup button that shows battery and power settings. I would like to disable or remove that if possible.
[10:58] <efloid> yaay just upgraded via backports to 5.8.4!  everything looking good
[10:59] <efloid> thank you so much everyone.
[10:59] <acheronuk> efloid: :)
[11:01] <_Wens_> backports mean kubuntu-ppa/backports?
[11:02] <acheronuk> _Wens_: yes
[11:02] <_Wens_> thanks
[11:16] <efloid> wow i remember kde v.3 years ago.  i loved it.  now we're at 5.8.  so awesome
[11:18] <efloid> it was kind of a bumpy ride after 4, but now... wow - it's better than ever
[11:27] <user|45049> Hi all!
[11:28] <user|45049> I would like to request upgrading KDE Connect packege in xenail repository to at least 1.0
[11:28] <user|45049> where can I do it?
[11:32] <acheronuk> user|45049: kdeconnect 1.0.1 is in the kubuntu backports ppa. I'm told as far as I recall that it's too big a version change to put into the main ubuntu archive
[11:37] <user|45049> I see. Thanks a lot acheronuk!
[11:59] <javi_> hi, I have a bug that can reproduce every time, but need debug symbols to create a usefull bug report. How can I install debug symbols for plasmashell, libtaskmanager, libtaskmanagerplugin and qt5qml in kubuntu zesty proposed?
[12:16] <acheronuk> javi_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[12:26] <javi_> acheronuk: thanks for that!, didn't know dbg packages had their own repo! (this wasn't the case before)
[13:00] <Smurphy> Anyone has a hint for some nice animated backgrounds for plasma desktop?
[13:01] <acheronuk> not here. I have enough trouble finding a normal one I like :P
[13:04] <Smurphy> yeah. I know what you mean.
[13:04] <Smurphy> Got some nice hires Space pics I use. But I remember xearth from old linux times, where you had a picture of earth rotating according to your time of the day etc.
[13:04] <Smurphy> Marble did that. But I don't find it for the latest plasma/integrated.
[13:16] <renn0xtk9> does anybody knows why removing an icon theme   suggests you to remove codesc, unrelated software and what not ... http://pastebin.com/d3NQ1LV3
[13:17] <rangemonger> are there any qt apps to manage fstab?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:16] <carcinoma> hi @all
[14:17] <soee> hiho
[14:17] <carcinoma> i have a question about the kubuntu backports ppa. Currently there are packages from plasma 5.8. I thought they should only in backports-landing cause there are in testing. Did i miss something. Are they considered sable now?
[14:17] <carcinoma> stable ... i mean
[14:42] <BluesKaj> carcinoma, your question is more appropriate for #kubuntu-devel
[14:47] <soee> carcinoma: no, they should be in backports as devs moved them there
[14:47] <soee> there was no official announcement yet as devs wanted to fix any issues reported by early bckports users
[15:00] <aton`_> hi
[15:02] <carcinoma> soee: BluesKaj: so it is correct that they are in backports and backports-landing? Or should i re-ask in #kubuntu-devel?
[15:02] <aton`_> i am trying to boot the live dvd, the kubuntu logo appears, then the screen shows funny colors, then a few lines about ring3 and ring0 took too long
[15:02] <aton`_> probably a graphics card problem?
[15:02] <aton`_> i googled and found radeon.dpm=1 boot option, which didnt change anything for me (couldnt boot)
[15:04] <BluesKaj> carcinoma, not sure
[15:05] <soee> carcinoma: it all in place, when packages from landing are tested they are copied to backports, than if devs have some fixes for them they apply them again in landing, testing them there and if all is fine again copy to backports
[15:06] <soee> aton`_: sorry i have 0 experiance with radeons
[15:08] <BluesKaj> aton`_, drop to a VT/TTY (ctl+alt+F1-F6), login and install xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
[15:10] <aton`_> BluesKaj: ok i will try that
[15:11] <aton`_> there is a small symbol in the lower mid of the screen, depicting a keyboad = a man
[15:12] <aton`_> after that the kubuntu logo is displayed
[15:12] <aton`_> when i switch to a vt, they are not ready by then
[15:12] <aton`_> just a cursor, no prompt
[15:15] <aton`_> whats the root password of the live dvd?
[15:15] <aton`_> ring 0 stalled for more than xxx ms
[15:15] <aton`_> rebooting
[15:15] <aton`_> in radeon module
[15:16] <aton`_> i dont have enough time to install anything
[15:16] <aton`_> i need to disable the radeon module at boot
[15:20] <BluesKaj> aton`_,sometimes F1 doesn't give you a VT/TTY, try ctl+alt+F2
[15:21] <aton`_> f1 is the graphics terminal
[15:21] <aton`_> i was in f2
[15:24] <aton`_> the system boots fine, but then it tried to load the radeon module and that fails
[15:26] <aton`_> can i somehow prevent x from starting on the live-dvd?
[15:36] <aton`_> wow, using "nomodeset" worked
[15:40] <BluesKaj> good
[15:42] <aton`_> now installing on hd, i will try the xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu then
[15:43] <aton`_> are these the open source video drivers?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> aton`_, yes
[16:25] <hamid> Hello!
[16:26] <BluesKaj> hi Guest96350
[16:37] <Guest96350> Hey BluesKaj, was checking what happened to nickname! will sort that out later.
[16:37] <BluesKaj> Haudegen, did you register your nick?
[16:38] <BluesKaj> oops Guest96350^
[16:38] <Guest96350> No, just read about registration to server.
[16:38] <BluesKaj> well, that's where one registers
[16:39] <Guest96350> Is it simple? I do it now or later? I have another question about upgrade.
[16:39] <Guest96350> I mean registration
[16:39] <BluesKaj> ok , what's your question
[16:39] <DunoCZ> Hello everybody :)
[16:40] <BluesKaj> hi DunoCZ
[16:40] <Guest96350> Upgraded to 16.10 but uname -r returns 4.4.0-21-generic.
[16:40] <Guest96350> Shouldn't the kernel be upgraded to the latest stable?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> Guest96350, have you updated and upgraded your packages since installing 16.10
[16:42] <Guest96350> Well I have sudo do-release-upgrade
[16:43] <BluesKaj> now do, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[16:45] <Guest96350> Reading package lists... Done
[16:45] <Guest96350> Reading package lists... Done
[16:45] <Guest96350> Building dependency tree
[16:45] <Guest96350> Reading state information... Done
[16:45] <Guest96350> Calculating upgrade... Done
[16:45] <Guest96350> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[16:45] <BluesKaj> Guest96350, no need to post that
[16:46] <Guest96350> Ok!
[16:47] <Guest96350> Then what is wrong?
[16:50] <BluesKaj> Guest96350, try sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:52] <Guest96350> same result
[16:53] <Haudegen> BluesKaj: yes.
[16:54] <BluesKaj> soee, Haudegen typo 'd wrong nick
[16:54] <BluesKaj> sorry that is
[16:54] <Haudegen> BluesKaj: No problem.
[17:01] <BluesKaj> Guest96350, run lsb-release -r , what's the output?
[17:01] <BluesKaj> correction lsb_release -r
[17:03] <Guest96350> Release:        16.10
[17:05] <BluesKaj> Guest96350, do you have update-manager-core installed?
[17:07] <Guest96350> No
[17:07] <BluesKaj> install it
[17:08] <Guest96350> Thought it was a command
[17:08] <Guest96350> update-manager-core is already the newest version (1:16.10.8)
[17:46] <blablabla> It's not really possible to have compressed file system without using ZFS or BTRFS right.
[17:46] <blablabla> both are rather complicated for small images.
[17:47] <blablabla> squashfs not really an option because needs to be writable.
[17:54] <blablabla> jffs2 seems doable but I wonder. You can create jffs2 image file, then loopback device, then turn into mtd device, then mount that :p but wouldn't be easy to do using standard tools.
[18:07] <blablabla> I could use squashfs and regular filesystem for modifications and then once in a time create a new squashfs based on changes :p.
[18:07] <blablabla> with overlay
[18:26] <frische_luft> hello guys, I have a question: is there a chance to get my audio system to work?: HP Pavillion x2 detachable.
[18:31] <BluesKaj> frische_luft, what does aplay -l in the terminal output?
[18:31] <BluesKaj> paste the results in pastebin
[18:32] <BluesKaj> !paste
[18:35] <frische_luft> https://api.smartredirect.de/api_v2/ClickGate.php?p=mGrZ7Eo09S&k=5734f594f6d416dffd7fc7faa0599a1c&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.hp.com%2FGermanyStore%2FMerch%2FOffer.aspx%3Fp%3Dc-hp-pavilion-x2-10&q=hp+pavilion+x2+detachable+b+%26+o+audio+system
[18:35] <frische_luft> https://thepasteb.in/p/P1hv8JxX8K7Ul
[18:36] <frische_luft> I am sure I am not the only one who has kubuntu on this laptop (formerly Win10 )
[18:38] <BluesKaj> frische_luft, you have an outboard usb audio card?. what about the onboard audio?
[18:38] <frische_luft> yes, I have an usb soundcard.
[18:39] <frische_luft> internly there is the Bang & Olufson "Play sound system".
[18:39] <frische_luft> But with changing to kubuntu it didn´ t work anymore.
[18:41] <frische_luft> http://store.hp.com/GermanyStore/Merch/Offer.aspx?p=c-hp-pavilion-x2-10&utm_source=affiliate&utm_medium=cpa&utm_campaign=adgoal+DE&utm_content=0&jumpid=af_zky3rxgb21/site:adgoal+DE
[18:41] <BluesKaj> frische_luft,  lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio" and pastbin the result
[18:42] <frische_luft> no info
[18:43] <BluesKaj> opy and paste the string above including the quotes
[18:43] <BluesKaj> copy
[18:44] <frische_luft> did it. but there is no answer. it just comes another command line with my login
[18:45] <BluesKaj> frische_luft, ok, try, lspci -nn | grep -i audio
[18:47] <frische_luft> negative. no output, no info
[18:48] <momken> Hello
[18:48] <momken> I am new to kde
[18:49] <momken> But what is akonadi and why it has so much processes running and takes so much ram?
[18:53] <frische_luft> https://thepasteb.in/p/Vmh0NzApNYgH4
[18:53] <BluesKaj> akonadi is a Personal Information Server for email contacts etc , mainly used in work environments , for home users it's usually uncessary
[18:56] <BluesKaj> frische_luft,  sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel, if the module/driver loads properly there will be no output
[18:57] <momken> The mysql instance launched by akonadiserver takes ~850MB ram, which is very much
[18:58] <momken> It is not optimized at all
[18:59] <BluesKaj> do you need mysql ?
[18:59] <BluesKaj> or akonadi
[19:00] <momken> BluesKaj: I need none of them
[19:00] <momken> But when I installed kubuntu it was installed
[19:01] <momken> If I can have akonadi installed without being run it is acceptable
[19:02] <momken> And about Akonadi, I think Mozilla Thunderbird is far more extensible than Akonadi. If I want to use a Personal Information Software I would prefer Thunderbird, even though it doesn't integrates with KDE well
[19:03] <frische_luft> BluesKaj: no, there is no output for this command
[19:07] <BluesKaj> frische_luft, then you have the intel audio driver loaded , try a reboot
[19:11] <BluesKaj> momken, you can go into system settings>startup&shutdown>desktop session, in the space below apps to be excluded from sessions type in akonadi-server, baloo, mysql
[19:13] <BluesKaj> then apply of course, then you may have to reboot
[19:14] <BluesKaj> ok,...BBL
[19:15] <frische_luft> BluesKaj: no info. What does it mean? That there is no intel driver?
[19:16] <BluesKaj> frische_luft, it means the driver loaded
[19:16] <sintre> frische , this new install?
[19:35] <frische_luft> sintre: beg your pardon?
[19:57] <frische_luft> BluesKaj: thanks yo far, will let you know about the status. ( if you are here online regularely)
[19:59] <BluesKaj> frische_luft, another try would be open alsamixer in the terminal amd disable automute plus set your volume ctls near 100%, and F6 to choose your souncard
[20:00] <frische_luft> BluesKaj: ok, will try this as well.
[20:04] <momken> BluesKaj: I found that MySql taking 800MB ram was a bug of MySql 5.7.12. I am upgrading the system so that the MySql with be updated to 5.7.16 and the MySql ram usage will be ~200MB
[20:05] <BluesKaj> momken, ok good, I'm not very knowledgeable about mysql and databases in general
[20:07] <momken> BluesKaj: I asked from #kde channel. It seems that is a general bug of MySql configuration, even in Ubuntu server 16.04. It become fixed after update
[20:07] <momken> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi/+bug/1576930
[20:08] <BluesKaj> momken, yes i saw you in #kde, they're very knowlegeable there
[20:08] <momken> Yeah.
[20:09] <momken> I spoke with you with the kubuntu__ user from live usb session of kubuntu yesterday. I said I am new to KDE and that previously I was using xfce
[20:10] <momken> I am getting used to kde more each day. But still I am not that much used to it, compared to simple xfce
[20:11] <momken> end of my comments :)
[20:15] <BluesKaj> momken, KDE/Plasma is very flexible and configurable , much more so than Unity and the other flavours
[20:25] <dev_are_cock_suc> in respond of a comment made yesterday and after a whole dayof attempting to install kubunu without success : no kubuntu is not doing fine !
[20:27]  * BluesKaj turns on the ignore option
[21:20] <blablabla> momken: You can disable akonadi with akonadictl disable, I believe.
[21:21] <blablabla> momken: You can't fully remove everything because Dolphin etc. depends on its libraries.
[21:22] <blablabla> momken: but the general opinion is that it sucks rat's asses, I still don't know why they keep shipping it.
[21:22] <sintre> looked at thatprogram , he's right it eats up a boat load of ram with all its processes
[21:22] <sintre> never noticed it before
[21:23] <blablabla> momken: the Fedora maintainer resolved a while a go to not do that program any more, calling it a load of shit or something.
[21:23] <bruce__> why is the default font size in konsole so small, or do i need glasses?
[21:23] <sintre> have like 15 different related proccess all eating like 15-20 mb each here
[21:24] <sintre> i keep getting a wierd console crash everytime i open then close it it tells me it crashed
[21:24] <sintre> but spoeaking of that just increase the size ,
[21:24] <sintre> then close it , it should open up same size next time or atleast mine does
[21:27] <momken> blablabla: I was not a KDE user before. After booting to fedora, I thought it is only my opinion that Akonadi is useless
[21:27] <sintre> well seems to be a waste of ram for me
[21:28] <sintre> i guess i'm lucky i'm using a ssd in this older lappy other wiase i'd be choked
[21:28] <momken> If at least Akonadi and the apps using it could connect to popular online services it could be good. But unfortunately it is not plugginable!
[21:29] <momken> sintre: Yeah, Akonadi uses much ram, but the most of ram used is in the MySql instance it launches. After upgrading kubuntu to last packages, MySql ram usage should be decreased from 800MB to 200MB
[21:30] <momken> Anyway a bare Kubuntu will use Around 700-800 MB ram, of which I guess 200-300 MB will be of Akonadi!!!
[21:31] <sintre> i easily see around 300 mb myself
[21:31] <sintre> why do we need some prloaded thing for notes lol
[21:31] <sintre> 30mb for notetaking?
[21:32] <sintre> another for newmail notfier?
[21:32] <sintre> lol silly stuff
[21:48] <blablabla> I guess I should use ZFS for my thing. I just was a little bit beliggerent about having to learn something new ;-) (Weird sun syntax :p).
[21:49] <blablabla> Instead I went for squashfs with a regular filesystem overlay for now.
[21:50] <blablabla> That in itself is quite reasonable compression and you only have to recreate the squashfs now and then, which in itself is a chore, but maybe not so bad for now.
[21:58] <momken> blablabla: If you need compression for faster IO/ smaller size, you can also use Btrfs which supports lzo and gzip compressino methods. But ZFS is generally more superior I think.
[21:59] <blablabla> yes I want to stay away from btrfs, thank you. I think zfs is a better choice too.
[22:04] <blablabla> I just did not want to learn a new volume management system, I guess ;-).
[22:05] <blablabla> a small container of some 1.1G will easily compress down to 380MB, which is quite nice, I think.
[22:05] <blablabla> I mean an LXC container.
[22:06] <blablabla> I even would have preferred to have a compressed container but those don't exist.
[22:08] <blablabla> You know, a device mapper that would take an existing fixed-size block device (or image) and compress it in a way that it can be mapped and manipulated as a compressed source for that image.
[22:08] <bruce__> greetings all. where is evince?
[22:14] <dajomu> Hi Can anyone help me with at digikam question? Where does digikam store the Mysql db files? In the database settings I have /home/david/Pictures/, but I cannot find any files there. I am using Ubuntu 16.10 and digikam 5.3
[22:15] <momken> bruce__: Evince is default pdf-viewer of Ubuntu and other Gtk-based desktops
[22:16] <sintre> k lil problem here , everytime i close the konsole it gives me a pop up saying konsole crashed
[22:16] <sintre> using 16.04 with backports any ideas?
[22:16] <momken> Here we have Okular which is much better than evince, specially that it has commenting and bookmarking option.
[22:17] <momken> Except that Evince's printer preview option was better in xfce. In KDE I am not sure whether Okular has print preview or not, but in xfce it didn't have
[22:17] <DarinMiller> sintre: I too see the same error for the the 1st line when running konsole &, but I do not have the "Invalid Context= "stock" line for icon theme:  " errors.  Try changing to a different icon set to see if anything improves.  If not, change back.
[22:18] <momken> Simply speaking, use Okular for reading/commenting Pdfs, and use Evince for printing :D
[22:19] <sintre> unfurtately , no go changed icon pack , and no konsole won't even load
[22:19] <sintre> again
[22:20] <sintre> starts to see the lil box at botton and busy cursor with new theme then disapears after 3 seconds
[22:22] <DarinMiller> sintre: what version of plasma and qt does kinfo show?
[22:22] <sintre> 5.8.4
[22:23] <sintre> framework 5.28.0
[22:23] <sintre> qt 5.6.1
[22:26] <DarinMiller> sintre: can you create a temporary new user to see if the new user has the crashing problem?
[22:27] <sintre> well i'll give it a shot
[22:30] <sintre2> logged in as guest gues my normal nickname still in sue by me
[22:30] <sintre2> so lets try this
[22:31] <sintre2> yep same crash
[22:31] <sintre2> report
[22:31] <momken> sintre, DarinMiller: I become able to turn off Akonadi startup upon boot by making "StartServer=false" in /home/momken/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc
[22:32] <momken> After boot it only took ~400MB ram instead of ~800MB :D
[22:32] <sintre2> cute wal paper though hehe , never logged in as guest before
[22:32] <sintre2> momken> write that down for me :)
[22:32] <sintre2> right now gotta get konsole workin again lol
[22:33] <sintre2> yep same symptom after first use of konsole as well
[22:34] <sintre2> won't open konsole again
[22:34] <sintre2> this time gave me a sad face though
[22:35] <momken> After setting "StartServer
[22:35] <sintre2> https://thepasteb.in/p/Q1hBMJwvLDxS8
[22:36] <momken> After setting "StartServer=false" for Akonadi, now Kontact, KMail, etc. don't work correctly, which is good :))
[22:36] <sintre2> nice , i use none of those apps anyways :)
[22:36] <sintre2> thunder bird and firefox
[22:36] <DarinMiller> open the sad face.  The information in the crash report may be of use Rik in akeronuk in kubuntu-devel.
[22:37] <sintre2> its in link
[22:38] <DarinMiller> sintre2:  are you running the nvidia PPA?
[22:38] <DarinMiller> I see you are using the NVidia 340 driver....
[22:38] <sintre2> this guest account is using whatever is generic
[22:39] <sintre2> seems because its whining about drivers
[22:39] <sintre2> same exact thing using nvidia drivers on msain account
[22:39] <DarinMiller> some of the new packages work better with the patched nvidia drivers.
[22:39] <DarinMiller> Give this a shot: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[22:40] <sintre2> thx will do , gotta run for now , gave all info maybe some ideas will come to somebody
[22:40] <sintre2> probally is unique to me , but you need your konsole ya know :)
[22:40] <sintre2> thx for trouble shooting , gonna go get some dinner
[22:41] <DarinMiller> no, I have seen the issue myself but not for quite some time.
[22:41] <sintre2> well my system is very old so maybe why
[22:41] <DarinMiller> sintre2: ttl
[22:41] <sintre2> nvidia 8400 gm nvidia mobile
[22:41] <sintre2> core 2 duo 1.4 mz
[22:41] <sintre2> 2 gigs of ram
[22:41] <sintre2> this is my old work horse lappy
[22:41] <DarinMiller> try the patched drivers in the link above.  it should help (I have simialr card running drivers from the ppa, working fine).
[22:42] <sintre2> i have a newer one i just got that i'll test out next couple days and see if it happens there
[22:42] <sintre2> in guest accoutn wish i could copy and paste that , i assume you;ll be around next week or so?
[22:42] <DarinMiller> your old system will work, just need to figure out the source of the chaos. :)
[22:43] <sintre2> keep link in mind
[22:43] <sintre2> :) yea it SHOULD work , we just gotta get it to hehe
[22:44] <sintre2> have a good one
[22:44] <sintre> lmao
[22:45] <sintre> so using guest accoutn kept this account live lol
[22:45] <sintre> well i just learned something new


[05:38] <classicsnail> hloeung: maybe saying 200Gbps is showing off a little, so instead I'll go the safe route and say "the fastest you'll get out of a single TCP stream is 50Gbps" ;)
[05:43] <classicsnail> done, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1946310
[05:49] <classicsnail> anyway, for all the problems we had with the old mirror.aarnet.edu.au aka au.archive.ubuntu.com, it's now much more stable and better designed, so it's sync safe (no half failed snapshots), and the whole thing is much simplier
[21:40] <hloeung> classicsnail: oh nice! Thanks for that


[12:19]  * gmb lunches
[13:29] <gary_poster> benji, bac, I have some thoughts on the mockups.  I'd like us to run user tests on two or three new variations.  Versions would be these.
[13:29] <gary_poster> (1) we do as many of the recommendations as possible, but eliminating the confusing "events" options
[13:29] <gary_poster> (2) we do as many of the recommendations as possible, and rearranging the "events" options
[13:29] <gary_poster> (3) (if we can) we do as many of the recommendations as possible plus changes that require more dramatic changes to the events story (i.e., those that would require changes to the server side)
[13:29] <gary_poster> I have some ideas on #2 and maybe #3 that I'd like to work out and propose.
[13:29] <gary_poster> Matthew says that he could do testing as soon as tomorrow, if we get mockups to him by his tomorrow morning.  He can deliver these mockups to different users.
[13:30] <gary_poster> bac benji gmb: mumble/kanban in, oh, nowish :-P
[13:30] <gmb> Yep
[13:39] <benji> gary_poster: the mockup ideas sound good to me.  I assume Matthew doesn't think there are too many variations.
[13:40] <gary_poster> benji, yeah, he was for it
[13:41] <benji> cool
[13:41] <gary_poster> benji, do you know where I can see the current mockups?
[13:41] <benji> by rearranging events you mean splitting out the transition bits from the comments/metadata bits, right?
[13:42] <benji> gary_poster: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~yellow/launchpad/subscription-widget-mockups
[13:42] <gary_poster> benji, yeah.  The basic constraint for #2 is "what can we propose with no changes, or minimal changes, to the server side"
[13:42] <gary_poster> thank you
[13:49] <gary_poster> bac, I imagine I'm supposed to look at "subscribe to bug mail user testing.bmml" mostly?  It has a lot of "image not found"s on it
[13:49] <gary_poster> don't worry about replying now if on call
[13:53] <bac> gary_poster: let me look.  balsamiq is sometimes not good about carrying around assets
[13:54] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[13:54] <bac> gary_poster: actually, look in the 'subscribe to bug mail' subdirectory
[13:55] <bac> gary_poster: can you load any of those bmmls?
[13:55] <gary_poster> bac, I can load those bmmls, and I see those are the right ones, but I'm missing a lot of images.  If I had to guess
[13:55] <gary_poster> I would say they are the background images
[13:55] <gary_poster> of the bug page
[13:55] <gary_poster> and the arrows
[13:56] <bac> gary_poster: ok.  let me grab the branch on a different machine and see if i can sort it out
[13:56] <gary_poster> thanks bac
[14:05] <gary_poster> bac, benji, another question.  If I go to https://qastaging.launchpad.net/lazr.enum/+subscribe , I see that I can only subscribe myself or one of the teams of which I am an administrator.  In the mockups, it seemed like I could subscribe anyone.  Was that an intended change, or a misunderstanding of mine?
[14:07] <benji> gary_poster: since the subscribing anyone part is currently only for direct subscription, I don't think we're changing that
[14:08] <gary_poster> benji, cool thanks
[14:42] <bac> gary_poster, benji: the mockups have been updated and have the assets within the branch.
[14:42] <gary_poster> awesome thanks bac.
[14:43] <bac> tip: dragging images onto the mockup does not work for portability.  you must import them and have balsamiq copy to an assets folder
[14:43] <gary_poster> cool, I was wondering
[14:44] <gary_poster> Confirmed working for me, fwiw.
[14:46] <bac> ugh, actually:  1) place image place holder on mockup, 2) in the control panel for that item select 'import', and 'copy to assets'
[15:52] <gary_poster> bac, benji, if you update the branch, gary-alt contains a strawman for the "(2) we do as many of the recommendations as possible, and rearranging the "events" options" one.  I'm thinking about #3 now.
[15:52] <benji> cool
[15:52] <bac> gary_poster: ok
[15:59] <bac> gary_poster:  i see no update to lp:~yellow/launchpad/subscription-widget-mockups
[16:00] <bac> is gary-alt a new branch or a subdirectory in the old branch?
[16:00] <gary_poster> bac, subdirectory.  maybe didn't push, checking
[16:00] <gary_poster> oh pushed to ~gary :-P
[16:02] <bac> ok
[16:02] <gary_poster> I think I might have just pushed it to yellow, bac
[16:02] <gary_poster> got an odd message from bzr
[16:03] <bac> i was able to pull from yellow
[16:03] <gary_poster> cool
[16:04]  * bac loves the contradiction of 'bzr pull :push'
[16:04]  * gary_poster doesn't know what that incantation does
[16:04] <bac> uses the push location as shown in 'bzr info'
[16:05] <gary_poster> ah, cool
[16:05] <bac> pulls from the push location
[16:05] <bac> all of those destinations can be used by specifying :dest
[16:05] <gary_poster> bac and benji do you have any strawmen you want to prepare?  I have a team leads call at 12 which provides a nice hard timelimit to a mockup discussion.  OTOH, we can put it off till later and use some other mechanism o prevent marathons
[16:06] <gary_poster> o->to
[16:06]  * bac looking at gary-alt now
[16:06] <gary_poster> cool
[16:07] <gary_poster> hopefully "strawman" conveys the "it's a discussion starter" aspect I want it o have
[16:07] <benji> I'm fresh out of strawmen.
[16:07] <gary_poster> ...o->to...
[16:08] <benji> o->to looks like a motorcycle
[16:08] <gary_poster> it does kinda
[16:13] <bac> gary_poster: the horrible alignment of your twisties is *so* distracting!  :)
[16:14] <gary_poster> bac, lol, sorry, I fixed it locally, do you want me to commit and push the change? :-)
[16:14] <bac> beuno tip: select an item and use arrow keys for fine tuning position
[16:14] <bac> hellz no
[16:14] <bac> it looks good, gary_poster
[16:14] <gary_poster> yeah, I know.  it is out of alignment because I adjusted the accordian underneath it
[16:15] <gary_poster> thank you
[16:15] <bac> i talked to julian and he has a pretty compelling reason to opt out of getting email for 'fixed released'
[16:15] <gary_poster> what, our qa bot?  :-/
[16:16] <bac> that being, when launchpad does a major release and we run our scripts to migrate all bugs he gets a ton of messages that are annoying
[16:16] <gary_poster> ah
[16:16] <bac> i too find it annoying but they are easily ignored so it never registered
[16:16] <gary_poster> yeah
[16:16] <gary_poster> so he wants "bugs are added or comments are made"?
[16:16] <gary_poster> or "everything except fix released"?
[16:16] <bac> yeah
[16:17] <bac> yeah to the first
[16:17] <gary_poster> gotcha
[16:17] <gary_poster> he could do the second with what we have now
[16:18] <gary_poster> but he wants to filter out the transition, not comments made after the transition has occurred
[16:19] <gary_poster> [ ] Filter out transitions to...
[16:19] <gary_poster>     [ ] Fix released
[16:19] <gary_poster>     [ ] uh...
[16:22] <bac> gary_poster: i guess we missed our window for a call.  i'm going to go grab some lunch.
[16:22] <gary_poster> (3)
[16:22] <gary_poster> Filter out [ ] comments   [ ] status changes   [ ] linking branches   [ ] importance changes
[16:22] <gary_poster> ?
[16:22] <gary_poster> ok bac, sounds like an escape plan. :-)  let's plan to talk around...2, bac and benji?
[16:23] <benji> +1
[16:23] <bac> ok, we'll be bounded by our 2:30 call
[16:23]  * gary_poster tries to remember Wed 2:30 call
[16:23] <bac> or is it tomorrow?
[16:24] <gary_poster> but we can try to be bounded by 2:30 anyway ;-)
[16:24] <gary_poster> yeah, tomorrow
[16:24] <bac> ok, we'll be bounded by our thursday 2:30 call.  not as good.
[16:24] <gary_poster> lol
[16:24] <benji> heh
[16:24] <gary_poster> ok talk to you all then.  thanks
[16:30] <gary_poster> gmb, what kind of metadata changes can trigger a notification?  status changes, importance changes, privacy changes, linked branches...can you suggest somewhere to look, or do you know off-hand?
[16:32] <gmb> gary_poster: If you look in lib/lp/bugs/adapters/bugchange.py you should see a whole bunch of BugChange objects. Each of those has (or should have, if danilo's branch has landed) a change_level property, which describes what BugNotificationLevel that change lives at. METADATA is the default, IIRC.
[16:32] <gary_poster> ah-ha! thank you
[16:32] <gmb> gary_poster: Short version: if it's not declared to be anything else, it's METADATA.
[16:32] <gary_poster> right, cool
[16:33] <gary_poster> yes, there's more than one or two of those...
[17:04]  * benji lunches.
[17:12] <gary_poster> bac, benji, I added some more versions to my directory in the branch.  2-alt- and 3-alt- add in extra checkboxes for the #3 goal ("(3) (if we can) we do as many of the recommendations as possible plus changes that require more dramatic changes to the events story (i.e., those that would require changes to the server side)").  Similarly, 3-bigger-alt and 4-bigger-alt also add assignee (not particularly well).
[18:39] <bac> gary_poster: i added 4-even-bigger-alt-assignee.bmml
[18:39] <gary_poster> bac, awesome.  I just changed things around a bit, mostly to make the ordering more obvious
[18:39] <gary_poster> about to merge your change, then push
[18:42] <gary_poster> pushed, now looking at your change
[18:43] <gary_poster> Yeah, I thought about that.  We can talk about it.  I'll move it into gary-alt-3 which is the new home of the assignee stuff
[18:46] <gary_poster> bac, your mockup is now gary-alt-3/big-assigneee.bmml .  gary-alt is the original--my proposal for the goal of not changing anything on the server side.  gary-alt-2 has changes for allowing more filtering based on the kind of changes that happen.  gary-alt-3 adds assignee to gary-alt-2
[18:47] <gary_poster> (so gary-alt-2 and gary-alt-3 are both in category 3 of "server side work needed")
[18:47] <bac> ok, it needs server work to filter by assignee?
[18:47] <gary_poster> yeah
[18:48] <gary_poster> it's a proposal because it is one of the recommendations (and it would come in handy for me too)
[18:48] <gary_poster> (as a representative user ;-) )
[18:49] <bac> sure
[20:13] <gary_poster> bac, did you deliver your pngs to mrevell by pointing him to the branch, or some other way?
[20:19] <bac> gary_poster: i put them on people.canonical.com
[20:20] <gary_poster> ok thanks bac
[20:20] <bac> specifically, http://people.canonical.com/~bac/bug-sub-mockups/
[20:49] <gary_poster> bac, I'm going to move your "User testing review with Matthew and design followup card to "Done-done".  Agree?
[20:49] <gary_poster> ...add a quote after "followup"...
[20:50] <gary_poster> the #clojure channel has a n s-expression bot, which is nice.  You can say s/followup/followup"/ and the bot will repeat your statement with the correction
[20:50] <gary_poster> kinda fun
[21:11] <benji> gary_poster: have a second to talk about my current card?
[21:11] <gary_poster> sure benji
[21:12] <gary_poster> here or mumble?
[21:12]  * benji flips a coin
[21:12] <benji> mumble
[21:12] <gary_poster> :-)
[21:12] <gary_poster> k


[15:13]  * powersj will fix integration test failures shortly
[15:29] <Raboo> smoser, dpb1 just wanted to update you on the debugging. I haven't had time to turn on debug for cloud-init on trusty yet. But I have learned a bit since, it only gets stuck when I have a root ext4 and a data xfs partition. cloud-init works when I got one big root partition for instance. And i've been able to replicate this on a virtual machine. So it's going to be easier to debug.
[15:47] <smoser> hum.
[15:48] <smoser> i suspect that it is not really cloud-init that is hanging, but a dependency (local-filesystems) or something that is not being met
[15:55] <rharper> Raboo: your image has a ext4 rootfs and an xfs partition ?  what's the partition layout?
[15:56] <rharper> I just saw this the other day w.r.t xfs filesystem being resized, https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-xfs/msg13555.html
[16:06] <Raboo> rharper well what I do is i partition the disk, and dd the cloud image into the ext4 partition, grow the image into the partition, mount it, fix networking, fstab, grub and some stuff. Then reboot and could-init bootstraps the node with chef and stuff
[16:09] <Raboo> rharper something like this https://hastebin.com/otowajicox.bash
[16:09] <rharper> fancy! using hastebin
[16:10] <Raboo> yeah smoser sent me a hastebin link the other day, so i figured i'ed try it
[16:10] <rharper> nice
[16:10] <Raboo> it's yours?
[16:10] <rharper> no
[16:11] <rharper> smoser had been using it since one can get raw output without "logging" in , like we have to the ubuntu one;
[16:11] <rharper> now I just need pastebinit to have hastebin
[16:12] <Raboo> it appears to have console tools
[16:13] <rharper> Raboo: so, putting ext4 on the first partition should mean that resizefs on root will get ignored; as it isn;t the last one;   but maybe there is something going on that we missed w.r.t growpart/resizefs
[16:14] <rharper> Raboo: did you have a cloud-init.log from the failed boot/hang ?
[16:14] <Raboo> rharper i will change this config to DEBUG on line 33 https://hastebin.com/odahevojix
[16:15] <Raboo> to see if I get more info, just not right now
[16:15] <rharper> sure
[16:16] <Raboo> but exact same partition layout works in xenial
[16:16] <Raboo> and now I know that it got to do with the parition layout.
[16:20] <rharper> where was the failing case if not xenial ?
[16:22] <Raboo> just after ssh keys generation it gets stuck
[16:23] <rharper> but what distro release?
[16:26] <Raboo> ubuntu trusty
[16:26] <rharper> ok
[16:52] <smoser> rharper, blackboxsw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1731868
[16:52] <smoser> that one..
[16:53] <smoser> with comment from sabdfl
[16:53] <blackboxsw> yep let's get a fix for that
[16:53] <blackboxsw> eek
[16:54] <smoser> we have no way there to determine "this is vmware" really. :-(
[16:54] <rharper> now, where to get a Vsphere setup ?
[16:54]  * blackboxsw thinks I might have one.
[16:55] <blackboxsw> will dig
[16:55] <rharper> well, vmware does similar things as kvm does to identify itself
[16:55] <smoser> you can determine vmware, yes
[16:55] <smoser> you can't determine easily that there is an ovf without a mount
[16:55] <rharper> right
[16:55] <smoser> from dsidentify
[16:55] <smoser>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/26126298/
[16:57] <rharper> man, pylint on tests has lots of stuff; gonna be a big one =)
[16:59] <rharper> https://github.com/PyCQA/pylint/issues/1498
[17:16] <powersj> smoser: do you want me to enable pylint for all of tests or start with integration tests?
[17:27] <smoser> powersj: all would be good.
[17:27] <smoser> did you see what was in  my tree ?
[17:27] <smoser> here
[17:28] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26126566/
[17:28] <powersj> ah no
[17:41] <powersj> smoser: do we need tools/hacking.py?
[17:42] <powersj> still using pep8 :\
[17:42] <rharper> powersj: I'm working on smoser's pylint diff right now
[17:43] <powersj> rharper: oh are you going through fixing things?
[17:43] <rharper> yes
[17:43] <powersj> then I shall stop
[17:43] <powersj> thx :D
[17:43] <rharper> np
[17:43] <rharper> smoser helpfully handed the patch to you as well =)
[18:15] <dojordan> @blackboxsw, sorry to bother but any update on my PR?
[18:16] <blackboxsw> dojordan: I'll push comments here in a couple mins (was camping on them until I tested). Admitedly, I ratholed on another bug that came in.
[18:16] <blackboxsw> "rat-holed" even a word? anyway, will wrap up your review now
[18:17] <dojordan> haha not sure if its a word but sounds good
[18:36] <blackboxsw> dojordan: couple comments added
[18:36] <blackboxsw> back in a few
[18:36] <blackboxsw> to wrap up the review
[18:42] <dojordan> thanks, ill get started on those
[19:11] <rharper> oi! pylint 1.7.1 doesn't like our add_patch, finally worked out how to ignore member checks with m_* which is how we designate  mock patch members
[19:16] <smoser> ?
[19:16] <smoser> doesnt like add_patch ?
[19:16] <smoser> hm..
[19:18] <rharper> yeah, says m_foo is non-member
[19:18] <rharper> because add_patch does a set_attr
[19:19] <rharper> smoser: so pylint can't know that the string inside add_patch() is going to get set that way (not statically I guess)
[19:23] <smoser> rharper: https://github.com/PyCQA/pylint/issues/697
[19:24] <rharper> related, but not the same
[19:24] <rharper> https://github.com/PyCQA/pylint/issues/1498
[19:24] <rharper> we actually get the E1101
[19:25] <rharper> tests/unittests/test_datasource/test_ovf.py:191: [E1101(no-member), TestTransportIso9660.test_mount_cb_called_require_iso_false] Instance of 'TestTransportIso9660' has no 'm_mount_cb' member
[19:25] <rharper> but it's reasonable to mark m_.* and mock_.* as generated-members; that's what our  CiTestCase.add_patch() does
[19:28] <smoser> hm..
[19:28] <smoser> rharper: well, the end result in thelink i provided is
[19:28] <smoser> Closing this. I think it is not worth investing effort into something relying heavily on patching things and magic, as mock is doing it. if anyone wants to spend some effort fixing this, you might have a look at how astroid brain modules are implemented (https://github.com/PyCQA/astroid/tree/master/astroid/brain)
[19:29] <rharper> I saw those modules too
[19:29] <rharper> I mean, seems reasonable to do what I did, the lint is catching stuff (real issues)
[19:29] <smoser> basically, it is "dont run pylint on code with mock"
[19:30] <rharper> it's generally clean with mock
[19:30] <smoser> ?
[19:30] <rharper> it's the dynamic set_attr for our patch that is gitting hit
[19:30] <smoser> i'm confused.
[19:31] <rharper> the bulk of the errors, came out from our use of self.add_patch() in CiTestCase subclsses which specify a mock.patch dynamically in the setUp() method
[19:32] <rharper> adding m_.*, mock_.* to .pylintrc to tell pylint to recognize any m_* members as 'generated members of a class' means it won't error E1101 on all of those mock'ed methods
[19:32] <rharper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26127428/
[19:34] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26127442/
[19:35] <smoser> that is my run.
[19:36] <rharper> write, grep no-member;
[19:36] <rharper> those m_* go away if you update your .pylintrc
[19:39] <rharper> urg, python2.7 ConfigParser has readfp, that's deprecated in py3; which uses read_file (but that's not in py27)
[19:41] <smoser> ugh
[19:41] <smoser> blackboxsw: fyi, don't use git merge --squash.
[19:41] <smoser> unless you know of an arg that says to keep the author
[19:41] <blackboxsw> whoa really?
[19:42]  * blackboxsw checks logs of what I just landed
[19:42] <smoser> as i stole credit for powers' commit 47016791
[19:42] <blackboxsw> ahh smoser yeah I generally do a --squash then a commit --amend --author afterward before pushing (though I forgot 1 time)
[19:43] <blackboxsw> d90318b21d0379e24337bcb92a0a90ebfa359c35 yeah here I stole robjo's commit ownership by accident :/
[19:43] <blackboxsw> forgot the post-commit ammend that I usually do
[19:43] <smoser> need a lander
[19:43] <smoser> stupid humans
[19:44] <smoser> incapable of simple tasks
[19:44] <blackboxsw> yes. push button landing
[19:44] <blackboxsw> or tarmac for git really.
[19:50] <rharper> another pylint annoyance;  referencing class properties (which may trigger code) but with no assignment makes it unhappy, but if we d foo = class.prop; then flake says, you didn't do anything with foo
[19:54] <blackboxsw> hrm can't get vsphere login working at the moment
[19:56] <smoser> weee!
[20:03] <smoser> blackboxsw, rharper hangout ? /wanted to catch up where we are.
[20:04] <rharper> y
[20:04] <blackboxsw> sure
[20:25] <rharper> smoser: here's where I'm at on the linting branch, http://paste.ubuntu.com/26127753/
[20:25] <rharper> that passes just about everything; save some things in tools/
[20:25] <rharper> needs a flake fiix up for one two locations for #pylint disable I did
[21:33] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26128142/
[21:33] <smoser> blackboxsw: ^
[21:33] <smoser> and dpb1
[21:33] <smoser> i have to walk out th edoor though. i'll be back in later and can polke it at it some more.
[21:36] <blackboxsw> smoser: will give it some runs on vkm
[22:48] <rharper> smoser: https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334868
[22:48] <rharper> that's the pylint merge, all clear here
[22:50] <smoser> i'll try this in a bit. http://paste.ubuntu.com/26128501/
[22:50] <smoser> rharper: and will read your mp in a bit
[22:51] <smoser> dinner and such now
[22:51] <smoser> thanks rrh
[22:54] <rharper> np
[23:31] <blackboxsw> smoser: your paste approach worked great on my local OVF kvm setup
[23:46] <blackboxsw> I'm crazy. nevermind. tweaking the script a bit
[23:47] <blackboxsw> still got disabled from ds-identify. checking things out now
[23:52] <blackboxsw> ahh minor tweak needed
[23:56] <blackboxsw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26128864/
[23:56] <blackboxsw> needed to define DI_BLKID_OUTPUT