[12:35] <fgreinus> hey there
[12:36] <fgreinus> i'm planning to use ubuntu gnome as my new development environment within my work as a web developer
[12:36] <fgreinus> do you guys have any advices on what to respect? lts or not?
[12:43] <jjjasper> just go and use it :)
[12:50] <fgreinus> yeah.. but i'm asking myself whether to use lts or not.. are there any advices on stability regarding the current stable 15.10?
[12:52] <bgardner> fgreinus: I use Ubuntu professionally and I restrict myself to the LTS versions for maximum stability and reliability.  You may be comfortable with more risk, each person makes their own determination.
[12:53] <mgedmin> I use 15.10 for my work (backend web dev); seems stable enough
[12:53] <mgedmin> I prefer the newer gnome version I get in 15.10
[12:53] <fgreinus> mgedmin: yeah.. same thought here
[12:58] <fgreinus> okay fine... was just a bit worried about stability.. my first impression of ubuntu gnome was not the best.. the website is ... improvable :D
[13:07] <mgedmin> afaiu there's a new website design that's about to be released
[13:14] <jjjasper> website honestly doesn't say anything about the distro itself :)
[13:14] <jjjasper> distro itself is rock solid
[13:14] <jjjasper> 15.10 here, no complaints whatsoever
[13:14] <mgedmin> as much as any linux distro can ever be called "rock solid", *sigh*
[13:18] <jjjasper> true
[13:19] <jjjasper> well, you get the point
[22:37] <mhall119> darkxst: ping, I sent an Community Council invite message to the ubuntu-gnome ML, but it's stuck in moderation, can you approve it?
[23:31] <craysiii> hey everyone, i'm having this weird intermittent issue where sometimes terminal will start with a black background instead of my user-defined transparent one, and then when i bring the window out of focus it finally goes transparent. anyone experience something similar?


[13:31] <wingarmac> Hi, I'm on Ubuntu server 22.04, and I need aid about routing. I wonder if a server can work with a single ethernet interface on multiple subnets with a single adapter using the tables. But I think I mess things up with the internet connection comming into a loop. Can someone help ?
[13:31] <wingarmac> ubserv is on main IP <IP_ADDRESS> (also <IP_ADDRESS> isc dhcp for br0 <IP_ADDRESS> made of 4 other NICs) on router <IP_ADDRESS> - ubcynt is on <IP_ADDRESS> (also tftp server with virtual IP <IP_ADDRESS>). I've also made VLANs on the router for other subnets (VLAN20 <IP_ADDRESS> - VLAN30 <IP_ADDRESS> - VLAN100 <IP_ADDRESS>)
[13:31] <wingarmac> From the router I can ping all the virtuial IPs of the respective server on the correct subnet, but can't from ubserv and ubcynt to these subnets.
[13:31] <wingarmac> Can someone lead me on the right path ?
[13:35] <wingarmac> Hi can someone help me set correctly the routes for diversal subnets on my servers? I mess things up with the different internet and dhcp sources on LAN.


[06:34] <dpm> god morning
[06:34] <dpm> *good
[07:47] <trijntje> good morning dpm, I was wondering if there are any plans to make apps translatable
[07:48] <dpm> hi trijntje, morning! I'm not sure I follow the question. Could you please ellaborate?
[07:48] <dpm> which apps?
[07:49] <trijntje> I mean apps as in "The Ubuntu App Showdown is starting today!" ;)
[07:52] <trijntje> hehe, only just noticed that was your blogpost
[08:09] <kelemengabor> dpm: just an update to the 2nd precise langpacks - the export was disabled, so there are no new packages yet. pitti enabled them yesterday afternoon, so probably this week we will have packages to test
[08:11] <dpm> trijntje, yeah, I wrote the blog post indeed :) But I still I don't understand the question - applications created with Quickly, our recommended tool, are translatable and set up for translations already. Whether they use the translations or not, is up to the app developer. Does that answer the question?
[08:12] <dpm> cool, thanks a lot kelemengabor for coordinating this
[08:12] <dpm> I'm still waiting on LP devs to do the copy from P to Q so that we can open translations
[08:12] <dpm> they told me they finished it yesterday and wanted to QA it today
[08:41] <trijntje> dpm: ok, I didnt know apps were set up for translation by default. Is there an easy way to see all aps available for translation, similar to the most important packages in launchpad?
[08:43] <dpm> trijntje, if you mean the apps for the contest, no, there isn't a way to see which ones are up for translation. But I've got a workshop session coming up that will teach how to internationalize apps, and I'll encourage app developers to use the translation infrastructure
[08:55] <trijntje> dpm: I just meant apps in general, but it's good to know it's easy to enable translations for apps
[08:56] <trijntje> for Dutch most normal packages are translated, so it might be a nice challenge to translate apps as well
[08:59] <dpm> trijntje, absolutely. This depends on a case-by-case basis: it's up to developers to choose where they host their apps (if it's in LP, you can just search them in there) and whether they want to use the i18n infrastructure that Quickly sets up for them
[09:02] <trijntje> it might even be a reason for developers to re-release their aps for ubuntu, we have quite an active translators communtiy
[09:04] <dpm> +1
[10:08] <RawChid> :)
[23:54] <ulysses> what's the difference between kdeedu/step.po and kdeedu/step_qt.po?


[16:16] <G__81> hi everybody i am interested in contributing to Ubuntu. I am interested in fixing bugs and adding features, though adding features is a futuristic goal at the moment but bug fixing is something that i want to start off with
[16:16] <G__81> Can someone help me on this ?
[16:24] <nisshh> G__81, if you want to fix bugs in ubuntu, head over to #ubuntu-bugs
[16:25] <devildante> !contribute
[16:25] <ubot2> To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[16:25] <devildante> nisshh: ubuntu-bugs is only for bug triaging, not bug fixing
[16:25] <nisshh> devildante, still be better than this channel though wouldnt it?
[16:26] <G__81> so which is the channel for bug fixing as such ?
[16:26] <devildante> nisshh: yeah, but that's no reason to give incorrect statements
[16:26] <devildante> G__81: I don't think there is
[16:26] <nisshh> devildante, sorry, i forgot, what would you suggest?
[16:26] <devildante> G__81: but check the link I just gave
[16:27] <devildante> !contribute | G__81
[16:27] <ubot2> G__81: To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[16:27] <G__81> devildante, have gone over the link as such
[16:27] <devildante> ah
[16:27] <nisshh> devildante, i have seen people in #ubuntu-bugs who are fixing bugs though :|
[16:28] <G__81> or is it like i go to gnome channels and start it there and it gets merged here ? is that the process
[16:28] <devildante> nisshh: maybe off-topic, idk, but ubuntu-bugs is for bug triaging
[16:28] <nisshh> devildante, yeah, i guess, ill remember that in the future
[16:29] <devildante> G__81: if you go to gnome channels, it's no longer a direct contribution to Ubuntu ;)
[16:29] <devildante> G__81: if you want to go that way: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeLove
[16:30] <G__81> devildante, yeah i understand that so if thats not then whats the direct way to do it in ubuntu
[16:31] <devildante> G__81: you might want to check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[16:32] <G__81> yes but its got a section called BugSquad but that deals only with Bug triaging
[16:33] <G__81> and of course talks a lot about packaging stuff but dont think it talks specifically about bugs in apps and the contact points for those
[16:35] <devildante> G__81: you could fix papercut bugs, they are easy to fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bugs?field.status:list=TRIAGED
[16:47] <G__81> oh ok does it involve code changes ?
[16:47] <devildante> G__81: of course :)
[16:58] <G__81> oh great thanks devildante so generally whats the process to fix as such, I just have one laptop where i have installed 10.10 today was earlier running f13 . Now is it wise enough to install a VM and install 10.10 in that too and fix stuff ?
[16:59] <devildante> G__81: why wouldn't you fix bugs in your native installation?
[17:00] <G__81> no if its like i have to install lot of other libraries which might break my laptop. is there a chance for that ?
[17:02] <devildante> no, it won't break it
[17:02] <devildante> they are just libraries ;)
[17:02] <nisshh> G__81, all they will do is take up a small amount of hard drive space
[17:03] <G__81> yeah space shouldnt be an issue at all
[17:03] <G__81> oh ok if thats the case then i ll look into the bugs and is there a list or channel for those papercuts ?
[17:04] <devildante> I don't think so
[17:04] <nisshh> no, there isnt im pretty sure
[17:04] <G__81> oh ok thanks
[17:05] <devildante> np ):
[17:05] <devildante> ;)
[17:08] <G__81> how do i edit the Grub menu there is a GUI tool right can someone let me know that ?
[17:09] <G__81> devildante, any idea on the name of the tool,
[17:09] <devildante> !support | G__81
[17:09] <ubot2> G__81: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[21:57] <devildante> sorry for asking, but is there a way to integrate glade into an application?


[04:25] <crimsun> asac: removing NM resolves the issue; e.g., using wicd instead
[04:25] <crimsun> asac: it's completely possible that the symptom is triggered by faulty wifi drivers and that the NM bit is just a red herring
[04:26] <crimsun> asac: unfortunately, I haven't the resources to chase it further tonight
[12:12] <plun> Hello,  fta  around  ?
[18:03] <fta> plun, ?
[18:09] <plun> fta: yup awake ?  ;)
[18:12] <plun> fta: its about this one  http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/c/cairo/cairo_1.8.0-0ubuntu1/changelog    enabled or not  ?   dizzy screen  ;)
[18:12] <fta> plun, enabled
[18:12] <fta> plun, what is fuzzy ?
[18:13] <plun> fta:  prefs > appearance> fonts , do it also youself
[18:13] <plun>
[18:14] <fta> plun, if it's ff3.1, or any xul 1.9.1 app, it's expected
[18:15] <plun> No its FF3.03 and other users within Sweden also asked about it.
[18:15] <plun> Click on "Details" and choose something and close, all is disabled then.
[18:17] <fta> for me, it's all fine.
[18:17] <plun> No it is "dizzy" and I was not out yesterday evening  :)
[18:19] <fta> well, i don't see that here. and it's not cairo, the pref thing is about fontconfig
[18:20] <fta> imho, fontconfig default setup is a mess in intrepid
[18:20] <plun> http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/4849/disable_c16PQ2.jpg
[18:20] <plun> Also this if you choose something from "Details".... everything is "disabled"
[18:22] <fta> do you mean it was different with 1.7.6 ?
[18:22] <fta> cairo 1.7.6
[18:24] <plun> No it seems to come and go ......   something must trigger this from Gnome-settings and Gnomes packages comes within a "flood".  2.24.1 challenge ????
[18:32] <plun> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=343670   Testing with "mlinds" commands again ;)
[18:35] <plun> Native, Always, No bitmapped fonts    >    Intrepids setting was "Automatic"  ???
[18:35] <plun> sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
[18:35] <plun> sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[18:43] <plun> fta: I can see a difference after running fontconfig and enabled full hinting within details  ;)
[18:49] <fta> anyone on amd64 willing to try my last songbird build ?
[18:49] <fta> it seems i can't move the main window, while i can on i386
[18:53] <fabrice_sp> Hi fta: I'm on amd64, with Intrepid
[18:53] <fta> fabrice_sp, are you using my ppa ?
[18:53] <fabrice_sp> no yet :-)
[18:53] <plun> fta: found a triaged bug....
[18:53] <plun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/153521
[18:53] <plun> What gnome package can it be which communicates with fontconfig ?
[18:54] <fta> fabrice_sp, please have a look there: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/
[18:58] <plun> fta... is this fixed ?
[18:58] <plun> As of this writing, cairo is unable to read the settings from fontconfig, so let’s add the equivalent X resources for cairo applications to obey.
[18:58] <plun> http://johan.kiviniemi.name/blag/2008/01/12/ubuntu-hardy-fonts/
[19:00] <fta> cairo is able to read some parameters from fontconfig. but upstream is working on that lcd thing in the current dev cycle (ie, for the upcoming stable 1.10.*)
[19:01] <fta> as i said, fontconfig is messy as it provides a lot of tweaks trying to bring a default look acceptable to everyone, but there's no way to please everyone so those tweaks are getting in the way
[19:02] <fta> 53-monospace-lcd-filter.conf is one of those tweaks
[19:02] <fabrice_sp> fta: no sound, and just froze
[19:02] <fabrice_sp> Rhythmbox is playing fine the same mp3 file
[19:02] <fta> fabrice_sp, ? is pulseaudio running ?
[19:03] <fta> fabrice_sp, my question here was, are you able to move the main window?
[19:03] <fabrice_sp> yes, when media detection ended
[19:06] <fabrice_sp> (and yes, pulseaudio is running)
[19:07] <fta> i don't have any problem to play sound with songbird (there's a bug with the control that upstream is currently working on but double clicking on a file in the library should work)
[19:07] <fta> controls (the play/pause/<</>> buttons)
[19:08] <fabrice_sp> fta: I'll try that way
[19:08] <fta> it should never freeze
[19:11] <fabrice_sp> the same: no sound, and when switching to another song => freeze. Maybe something wrong in my setup
[19:12] <fta> fabrice_sp, try to run it with GST_DEBUG=2
[19:12] <fta> it's verbose
[19:12] <fabrice_sp> ok
[19:14] <plun> fta: Ok and thanks....playing around with Johans conf settings just for fun.
[19:14] <plun> One more thing....  Lightning works with TB3   ;)   (tested with nightly)
[19:14] <fta> plun, good
[19:14] <fabrice_sp> by the way, I can move the window, but I can't put part out of the principal screen
[19:15] <fabrice_sp> and I'm getting (songbird-bin:7827): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_element_query: assertion `GST_IS_ELEMENT (element)' failed
[19:15] <fabrice_sp> before freezing
[19:15] <fta> GST_DEBUG=2 /usr/lib/songbird/songbird-bin > /tmp/log 2>&1
[19:16] <fta> then look for pulse in /tmp/log
[19:23] <fabrice_sp> no pulse at all :-(
[19:23] <fabrice_sp> http://paste.ubuntu.com/62965/
[19:34] <plun> fta: just a report after a Gnome restart,  it is better on my screen with Johans conf files.
[19:34] <plun> But there must probably be room for "howtos" also for Intrepid  ;)
[19:34] <plun> Thanks for clarifying this !   ;)     See you !
[20:12] <nxvl> hi
[20:12] <nxvl> someone around that can help me find the "firefox is already running" dialog?
[20:41] <fta> asac, mozilla Bug 461082
[20:44] <fta> [reed], what is sisyphus?
[20:45] <fta> mozilla Bug 461135
[21:26] <crimsun> asac: bug 274995 appears to affect both wired and wireless interfaces.  There does not seem to be any correlation between certain drivers.  However, downing the affected network interfaces /prior/ to saving sound state resolves the hangs.  Obviously that workaround is unacceptable.
[21:29] <fta> do we have something like that in ubuntu? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2002/10/msg00018.html
[21:33] <asac> crimsun: so is this pulseaudio doing networking and not failing properly?
[21:33] <asac> crimsun: also there are other claims in the bug that see this without NM
[21:46] <nxvl> is there any way to make firefox crash?
[21:46] <nxvl> for QA
[21:48] <gnomefreak> what it doesnt crash enough for you?
[21:48] <gnomefreak> install libflashsupport to make it crash
[21:49] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: are you around this week sometime?
[21:49] <nxvl> heh
[21:50] <nxvl> gnomefreak: yeah, but i need to test a crash message, so i don't want to wait until it crashes
[21:50] <gnomefreak> ah
[21:51] <gnomefreak> i can honestly say i havent tried to make it crash exept with 2.0 beta
[21:51] <fta> 3.1 didn't crash for me in weeks
[21:51] <gnomefreak> it works here as well
[21:52]  * gnomefreak wondes if plastic wrap will work :(
[21:53] <gnomefreak> not to crash anything
[21:54] <gnomefreak> fta: did tb3.0b1 land yet?
[21:54] <fta> nope
[21:54]  * gnomefreak might work on tb extensions this week once i get firegpg upgraded
[21:55] <gnomefreak> we really need a working way to upgrade extensions i did it per wiki but i think its a configure failure not an upgrade one
[21:59] <crimsun> asac: don't believe so, but we can ask to eliminate PA from the picture during the tests.
[22:02] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, most of the time... depends on school. tomorrow I will be off for the whole day.
[22:02] <Jazzva> I'm here now...
[22:02] <gnomefreak> if i unblacklisted something would it have changed back to being blacklisted?
[22:03] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: i have a meetin in morning but sshould be back ~lunchtime. once i find sometihing to wrap wrist in i will get error for you
[22:04] <Jazzva> Ok... tomorrow? I won't be here... well, not until ~midnight, UTC+1
[22:04] <gnomefreak> ok ill see if i can get error now
[22:06] <gnomefreak> i lost sound here about 2 weeks ago :(
[22:13] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: its gonna be a while i lost upstream source :(
[22:15] <gnomefreak> we should really find a way to package tarball from svn/cvs
[22:21] <gnomefreak> maybe not
[22:24] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: do we have any "correct" way to tar up source from svn?
[22:33] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, tar it up and then gzip it.
[22:33] <Jazzva> I think you have to pass -9 parameter to gzip, in order to use best compression.
[22:34] <gnomefreak> why tar it up than gzip it? isnt that the same?
[22:35] <Jazzva> tar will produce an archive file, which will be compressed by gzip
[22:37] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, archive file is not the same as compressed file...
[22:37] <gnomefreak> ah
[22:59]  * gnomefreak too tried i jhust fucked up my .ubuntu branch
[22:59] <gnomefreak> just
[22:59] <gnomefreak> tired
[23:01] <gnomefreak> gzip -9 *.tar.gz not working
[23:03] <fta> gzip -9 *.tar
[23:10] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~/extension_builds/firegpg/source$ ls
[23:10] <gnomefreak> firegpg  firegpg_0.6.2.orig.tar.gz
[23:10] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~/extension_builds/firegpg/source$ gzip -9 *.tar
[23:10] <gnomefreak> gzip: *.tar: No such file or directory
[23:10] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[23:11] <gnomefreak> something wrong with the tarball
[23:11] <fta> well, you already have a file named tar.gz
[23:11] <gnomefreak> ?
[23:12] <fta> is it really a tar.gz ?
[23:12] <fta> file *gz
[23:13] <gnomefreak> not sure i used nautilus to make it that time
[23:13] <gnomefreak> its fixable
[23:13] <fta> file *gz
[23:14] <gnomefreak> should i just use the -cfzv?
[23:15] <fta> yes, tar -zcvf --exclude .svn firegpg_0.6.2.orig.tar.gz firegpg
[23:16] <gnomefreak> ctzf even
[23:16] <fta> no
[23:16] <gnomefreak> errors
[23:17] <gnomefreak> seems --exclide doent work
[23:17] <gnomefreak> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[23:17] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~/extension_builds/firegpg/source$ ls
[23:17] <gnomefreak> --exclude  firegpg
[23:17] <fta> tar -zcvf --exclude=.svn firegpg_0.6.2.orig.tar.gz firegpg
[23:17] <fta> oops, sorry
[23:18] <fta> tar --exclude=.svn -zcvf firegpg_0.6.2.orig.tar.gz firegpg
[23:19] <gnomefreak> ahy that one worked :)
[23:19] <gnomefreak> thanks
[23:28] <gnomefreak> ok running build ill check it later im fairly sure its gonna fail but we will see
[23:29] <gnomefreak> that was fast
[23:31] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: fta if either of you have a sec http://pastebin.mozilla.org/562102 all are .svn removed from tarball should i remove from .ubuntu? hold that thought im gonna try that now
[23:33] <gnomefreak> nope still fails
[23:34] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, you should. the best way is to remove it in .upstream branch, then create .ubuntu branch from that one...
[23:34] <Jazzva> but I guess you can just remove it in .ubuntu branch, in case you already applied your modifications.
[23:35] <gnomefreak> removing .ubuntu/.svn didnt work i guess i have to remove it from all files
[23:35] <gnomefreak> or i grab upstream and remove than push again and use it
[23:36] <gnomefreak> there has to be an easy way to remove all .svn files
[23:36] <gnomefreak> its not just in toplevle dir
[23:36] <gnomefreak> level
[23:37] <gnomefreak> i cant use *.svn or all dirs will be removed
[23:42] <fta> hm, good, controls are fixed in the latest songbird
[23:42] <fta> i like the new UI
[23:42] <fta> yet, it's not integrated at all