[00:00] <WeatherGod> yeah, there is definitely room for improvements, but right now, I am happy with the KISS approach
[00:01] <RAOF> The use case would be something like: I like to know when my friends come online, except when I'm busy.  I still need to know when my boss comes online, even when I'm busy.
[00:02] <WeatherGod> easier said then done
[00:03] <arand> WeatherGod: against specific packages? netbook-launcher ubuntu-netbook-remix ,etc
[00:03] <RAOF> I'm not sure that *I'd* find this a compelling option to add, but it's getting closer to something that might be actually useful :)
[00:03] <WeatherGod> arand, it is a problem with "Show Desktop", but I have found it only happening for UNR
[00:05] <arand> WeatherGod: hmm, might fall under nautilus, with a mention of UNR-only... I guess #ubuntu-bugs or whatever the unr # is would know best.
[00:05] <WeatherGod> ok, will do
[00:06] <alex_mayorga> I think there should be at least some form of notify me even when I'm full screen
[00:07] <alex_mayorga> with the advent of 16:9 I run everything I can full screen, but that doesn't mean I don't want to be "disturbed"
[00:08] <alex_mayorga> Why empathy's IRC window grows as I type?
[00:11] <WeatherGod> alex_mayorga, again, that is yet another possible use case... I know I certainly don't want notifications from Pidgin when I am doing a presentation or if I am showing something to my co-workers
[00:17] <BUGabundo> WeatherGod: set to Busy
[00:17] <BUGabundo> or offline
[00:18] <BUGabundo> away still shows you notifications, *if* directed at you
[00:19] <WeatherGod> BUGabundo, good to know, thanks
[00:24] <alex_mayorga> In my book presentation is the corner case, no the other way around
[00:25] <alex_mayorga> I haven't done a presentation since I graduated
[00:26] <alex_mayorga> I guess I don't have a glamorous job as most people :)
[00:26] <alex_mayorga> but I'm pretty sure statistics would back me up on that one
[00:27] <alex_mayorga> presentation is not as widespread as devs seem to believe
[00:27] <BUGabundo> WeatherGod: plus , if anything is FULL SCREEN the notifications are turned off
[00:28] <alex_mayorga> which on smallish notebooks a.k.a "netbooks" would be all the time
[00:33] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:48] <DanaG> 16:9... bleh.
[00:49] <DanaG> damn lcd manufacturers.
[00:49] <DanaG> Let's go make their houses have 6-foot tall ceilings.    He booted into ubuntu, and then wondered why it did that.... he said, "oh, this text thing came up, so I didn't read it."
[00:51] <DanaG> (probably also due to him not having his glasses on.)
[00:57] <bjsnider> something to read came on the screen, so naturally he didn't read it...
[00:57] <bjsnider> pc users are used to things being done for them
[00:58] <DanaG> he's also stubborn... I put Win7 on it, and he said, "I don't want Windows 7."  -- yet, he's never even TRIED win7.
[00:59] <Some_Person> Is it possible to install lucid onto an SD card?
[01:00] <Some_Person> DanaG: Heh, I know about stubborn dads. My dad was against Firefox for a couple of years. Despite never using it, he called it "Fireshit"
[01:00] <Some_Person> I had to hide ubuntu for a while too (using a floppy to boot it)
[01:01] <DanaG> he also got my mom a mac.... and hates using it every time he has to help her... yet insists on sticking with it.
[01:01] <DanaG> Well, at least my mom doesn't mind it so much -- though it took a year, and some new peripherals, to get there.
[01:02] <Some_Person> I happen to be a huge Mac fan -- my old middle school was full of them and kinda got me hooked, but sadly I haven't used one since
[01:02] <Some_Person> Too expensive for us
[01:04]  * DanaG hates the Apple window manager, and their mouse acceleration "curve" (curve?  hah!  It's more like a sharp  bend.)
[01:05] <Some_Person> Haven't noticed any "curve"
[01:06] <bjsnider> if you use a mapple you become a slave to steve mobs
[01:09] <Some_Person> So everyone who ever went to my middle school became a slave?
[01:10] <Some_Person> (and why did you put an "m" on "apple")?
[01:10] <bjsnider> Some_Person, you haven't been watching your simpsons...
[01:11] <Some_Person> I do watch the simpsons
[01:13] <WeatherGod> even I caught that one, and I have been out of the loop for a while
[01:13] <alex_mayorga> he used the m to avoid lawsuits and such ;)
[01:13] <Some_Person> oh, i just looked it up. i must have missed that episode :-(
[01:13] <WeatherGod> no, I tried to convince my mother to try Ubuntu for her new computer, telling her that it is more like WinXP and Win7 (she hates changes)
[01:14] <WeatherGod> she refused, and kept bungling the pronounciation
[01:14] <WeatherGod> "UBoxee?"
[01:14] <Some_Person> lol, that's the worst i've heard
[01:15] <WeatherGod> she also calls Firefox "FoxFire"
[01:16] <WeatherGod> at least I was able to switch her to that by redirecting her Comcast shortcut
[01:16] <WeatherGod> and importing her favorites, she never knew the difference
[01:17] <WeatherGod> anyway, she decided to go with Win7 because her job was going to have training sessions for Win7 and was switching to it
[01:17] <WeatherGod> I don't know how she has taken to the new Office, though
[01:18] <WeatherGod> but she was willing to try OpenOffice
[01:18] <alex_mayorga> WeatherGod: how old is she?
[01:18] <WeatherGod> 55-ish
[01:18] <alex_mayorga> I haven't been able to convert my mom-in-law as there's no Cubis for ubuntu
[01:19] <WeatherGod> this is the person who kept our whole family on AOL during that whole "America Offline" deal a long time ago because she couldn't use anything else
[01:19] <WeatherGod> Cubis?
[01:20] <alex_mayorga> http://www.freshgames.com/games/cubis2
[01:20] <alex_mayorga> haven't found an open clone yet
[01:20] <WeatherGod> oy
[01:20] <WeatherGod> 300 levels of that?
[01:21] <WeatherGod> then again, I did get a little addicted to frozenbubble
[01:22] <WeatherGod> alex_mayorga, I take it doesn't work in Wine?
[01:22] <alex_mayorga> haven't tried lately, but it didn't on karmic
[01:23] <WeatherGod> probably use more recent DirectX stuff, just for kicks
[01:23] <WeatherGod> actually, no, looks like the requirement is DX7
[01:23] <WeatherGod> go figure
[01:37] <Some_Person> anyway, do you think I could install lucid to an SD card?
[01:37] <crimsun> sure, but whether that's crackful is debatable.
[01:39] <WeatherGod> wouldn't that depend on the BIOS?
[01:45] <DanaG> I can install to SDHC card, but the initramfs is missing the sdhc controller drivers!
[01:45] <crimsun> DanaG: so add them to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
[01:45] <DanaG> yeah, but I mean, it'd be nice to have it there out-of-the-box.
[01:46] <DanaG> My sd card reader also didn't claim DMA support; I had to force-enable it.
[01:46] <crimsun> so file bugs against linux.
[01:48] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/422986
[01:49] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/268863
[01:52] <crimsun> 422986 triaged.
[01:53] <DanaG> I might as well copy my comment from the latter into the former.
[01:55] <DanaG> cool, thanks.  Tweaked my wording a bit, as well.
[05:24] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/496994
[05:25] <DanaG> Brightness doesn't change.
[05:55] <DanaG> just tried gnome-shell on the netbook.
[05:55] <DanaG> Window manager warning: Log level 16: Could not load library [/usr/lib/mutter/plugins/libgnome-shell.so (libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)]
[05:59] <DanaG> phail.
[06:02] <DanaG> grr.
[06:04] <RAOF> DanaG: With the Lucid packages?  That's awkward; it works for me, and I spent some time fixing gjs so that shell would work.
[06:04] <DanaG> Weird.
[06:04] <DanaG> Maybe because I have ubuntu-mozilla-daily?
[06:05] <RAOF> Yes, that's the problem.  But I thought I'd fixed it so that gnome-shell simply wouldn't install if you didn't have the right version of mozilla.
[06:05] <DanaG> And it's a badly-worded error message too, then. =þ
[06:05] <RAOF> What does “apt-cache policy xulrunner-1.9.1” return?
[06:06] <DanaG> Anyway... I can't give up ubuntu-mozilla-daily until I can get firefox-3.6 from non-ppa.
[06:06] <DanaG>  *** <IP_ADDRESS>~hg20100122r26732+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1 0
[06:06] <RAOF> Oh.  ARSE!
[06:06] <DanaG> okay, so I can downgrade xulrunner, at least.
[06:06] <RAOF> And I guess that you've got libgjs0 version 0.4-4ubuntu3 installed?
[06:07] <DanaG> yup.
[06:07] <RAOF> DanaG: Not without breaking firefox, I think.
[06:07] <RAOF> Poot.  <IP_ADDRESS>~ < <IP_ADDRESS>.
[06:07] <DanaG> 3.6 is 1.9.2, isn't it?
[06:07] <DanaG> yay, downgrading 1.9.1 worked.
[06:07] <DanaG> okay, that not-needing-to-click-on-the-menu thing is weird.
[06:08] <DanaG> And there's this mysterious thing that shows what I'm currently running... but makes me think it should be a launcher or a task-switcher like the netbook thingy.
[06:08] <RAOF> Maybe.  I know that we're planning to move away from xulrunner as a separate package for Firefox, so if FF 3.6 works while you've got xulrunner-1.9.1 installed, that's obviously happened.
[06:08] <DanaG> x-nautilus-desktop.  nice.
[06:08] <lolnic_> Hi, how do i change the program gdm uses to hibernate?
[06:09] <lolnic_> if i can
[06:09] <DanaG> also weird: activating the activities thing brings up a window I thought was gone.
[06:09] <DanaG> hmm, alt+tab-tab... the switcher goes away.
[06:09] <DanaG> Also weird.
[06:10] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-gnomeshell.png
[06:13] <DanaG> hmm, I hit alt-f2, enter Pictures/  -- it tries to execute the directory.
[06:13] <DanaG> =þ
[06:13] <RAOF> That's a gentle reminder that you should be using GNOME Do.
[06:16] <DanaG> hmm, how to I tell gnome-shell to go away and give me the old panel back?
[06:19] <RAOF> compiz --replace
[06:19] <DanaG> Didn't give me back my panel.  :(
[06:19] <RAOF> gnome-panel, then :)
[06:19] <RAOF> If you're not running Do, you may need to switch to a VT to run that, I guess.
[06:20] <DanaG> or ssh.
[06:20] <RAOF> Also possible.
[06:21] <DanaG> heh, by adding an avahi service, I was able to make my laptop appear as "Mac Server" instead of "PC Server" on my mom's imac.
[06:22] <DanaG> astebinit /etc/avahi/services/samba.service
[06:22] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f49ef8c61
[06:34] <DanaG> "usplash main process terminated with status 2"
[06:35] <DanaG> lolwut?  usplash?  why?
[06:41] <RAOF> You can still have usplash installed if you try.
[06:41] <DanaG> I didn't try, though.
[06:41] <DanaG> And the system keeps failing to reboot.
[06:42] <DanaG> Sits there with plymouth doing nothing -- and I have even tweaked it to use spinfinity.
[06:42] <DanaG> Spinfinity, minus "infinity" symbol, would be nice.
[06:42] <DanaG> Even has a progress bar.
[07:02] <voidmage> i'm having this weird thing where when i hit play/pause, previous track, next track, or stop, the mouse cursor jumps to the top of the screen
[07:02] <voidmage> i couldn't find if this is happening to other people or whether it's a keyboard-specific or some X related thing
[08:01] <alkisg> In https://launchpad.net/~freenx-team/+archive/ppa I'm not seeing freenx server yet, will there be a version for Lucid or only neatx will be available?
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[09:24] <cwillu> BUGabundo_remote, morning
[09:30] <BUGabundo_remote> olá cwillu
[09:30] <cwillu> I got three straws with my mcdonalds
[09:31] <cwillu> what package to I file that against?
[09:50] <EmperiuM> hello, good mornig ppl
[09:53] <BUGabundo_remote> welcome Em
[09:53] <BUGabundo_remote> welcome EmperiuM
[09:54] <emperium> ehehe
[09:54] <emperium> estás em todas
[10:04] <BUGabundo_remote> emperium: ehe yeah I try to. that's the _problem_ in being an Ubuntu Member :p
[10:04] <BUGabundo_remote> emperium: running lucid? I though you were in karmic
[10:05] <emperium> last night I was a karmic user, after the system update it became like this :(
[10:07] <emperium> I think it's not Lucid that is runnig, I think that it's a beta version of something
[10:07] <emperium> grub or 9.1x
[10:08] <cwillu> emperium, are you accepting strange source.list files from strangers?
[10:08] <emperium> nop
[10:09] <emperium> just have ubuntu and the Wine
[10:09] <emperium> in the list of trust sources
[10:09] <BUGabundo_remote> emperium: $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:10] <emperium> just type that? the Karmic wont boot, just have command line
[10:10] <BUGabundo_remote> ahh
[10:10] <BUGabundo_remote> you are in the recovery console then
[10:11] <cwillu> emperium, grub command line or a console?
[10:11] <emperium> i think so
[10:11] <BUGabundo_remote> bad kernel upgrade / KMS I guess
[10:11] <cwillu> did you get any boot messages, or it just the grub prompt?
[10:11] <emperium> just grub prompt
[10:11] <BUGabundo_remote> you should try #ubuntu since +1 is aimed at lucid user
[10:11] <emperium> i will take a pic
[10:11] <cwillu> if it's the grub prompt, you can still boot, although I'm not clear on the details
[10:12] <BUGabundo_remote> I guess a update-grub from a live cd, chrooted would fix it
[10:12] <cwillu> emperium, tab completion should work:  "initrd init<tab>" <- choose a particular one that you know boots
[10:12] <emperium> went I type boot it says "no loadede kernel"
[10:12] <cwillu> and then "linux vmlinuz<tab>" same one
[10:12] <cwillu> emperium, do what I say, not what you think I'm going to say :p
[10:12] <cwillu> you need to load the initrd image, and then the kernel image, before you can boot :)
[10:13] <cwillu> if tab completion doesn't work, try "initrd /<tab>" or "initrd /boot/<tab>"
[10:14] <emperium> yes, it list something
[10:14] <cwillu> choose one, probably the latest or second latest
[10:14] <cwillu> you can still you tab to complete once you've typed the next bit
[10:18] <emperium> it says "yyou need to load tge kernel first"
[10:18] <emperium> I typed initr /boot/System.map-2.6.31--generic4
[10:18] <emperium> I typed initr /boot/System.map-2.6.31-generic4
[10:19] <emperium> I typed initr /boot/System.map-2.6.31-generic
[10:19] <emperium> [I forgot to tell that I'm a n0ob in linux ]
[10:24] <cwillu> initrd
[10:24] <cwillu> might need to do "linux ..." first, although I thought I had it right
[10:35] <Lord-Readman> Hello, I am finding ext4 performance on Ubuntu 10.04 alpha2 really really slow
[10:35] <Lord-Readman> does anyone know how I can fix it?
[10:36] <cwillu> first impression is that you may be jumping to conclusions;  can you give the specific symptoms you're seeing, as well as any relevant details (if it was an ext3 -> ext4 conversion, fs options, etc)
[10:36] <cwillu> haven't noticed anything myself
[10:37] <Lord-Readman> well I really doubt Ubuntu 10.04 will hit 10 second boot on the dell mini with the 2.6.32 kernal
[10:37] <Lord-Readman> I have searched all over google, and ex4 performance took a huge hit to make less chance of dataloss
[10:39] <cwillu> Lord-Readman, talk symptoms you're seeing, not stuff repeated from blogs and mailing lists;  yes, write barriers are there, no, they're not going to be responsible for ubuntu becoming really really slow, unless you're definition of really really slow consists of a 10% throughput loss on benchmarks :p
[10:39] <Lord-Readman> I am seeing really slow postgre database performance as I was testing out OpenERP
[10:40] <Lord-Readman> further searches pointed me to ext4 in the 2.6.32 kernal
[10:40] <cwillu> now we're getting somewhere :)
[10:40] <BUGabundo_remote> FYI (10:35:34 AM) asac_: i think today we will announce multisearch II ;)
[10:40] <BUGabundo_remote> so get your Firefox's ready
[10:40] <cwillu> Lord-Readman, can you be more specific still?
[10:41] <Lord-Readman> when updating product stock for 2000 items, it used to be more or less instant
[10:41] <Lord-Readman> now there is a good 7-10second lag
[10:41] <Lord-Readman> Even recompiled from source to make sure everything went okay.
[10:41] <cwillu> what sort of queries does that involve?  just a straight table with no indexes or procedures?
[10:42] <cwillu> and is this a fresh install/fresh file system, or a conversion/upgrade?
[10:42] <Lord-Readman> not sure exactly, just know its setup the same as on 9.10 but mega slow on 10.04a2
[10:42] <Lord-Readman> fresh install
[10:42] <Lord-Readman> backed up and imported data
[10:43] <Lord-Readman> same as the move from 8.04 to 9.10
[10:43] <cwillu> is this your own database, or a benchmark/example code?
[10:43] <Lord-Readman> own company database
[10:43] <cwillu> that's the sort of thing I'd expect to see if each item was committed separately
[10:46] <Lord-Readman> well i'll just wait on, the only thing i can do is let people know
[10:46] <Lord-Readman> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_then_now&num=1 is what I was reading, looks scary and hope things get better towards release time i suppose
[10:47] <cwillu> Lord-Readman, the scary thing is that the old behaviour was incorrect, meaning that an fsync didn't necessarily get to the disk before completion (which is a Bad Thing for a database)
[10:47] <cwillu> most of the hits on google describe how to set it to the ext3 setting via disabling barriers
[10:48] <cwillu> Lord-Readman, it's not an ubuntu thing though.  You'll probably get better advice asking in postgres' channel
[10:49] <Lord-Readman> running the default benchmark for postgre in 9.10 gives 1400 transactions per second, in the alpha it gives me 90
[10:49] <Lord-Readman> ok
[10:49] <Lord-Readman> il go see what they say
[10:49] <Lord-Readman> thanks
[10:49] <cwillu> I just asked in #postgres
[10:49] <Lord-Readman> what they say?
[10:49] <cwillu> nothing yet :p
[10:50] <Lord-Readman> ok, many thanks
[10:50] <Lord-Readman> il wait for an answer
[10:52] <emperium> I cant make it boot, so I'll do a clean installation
[10:52] <emperium> :)
[10:55] <cwillu> """On the other, anyone who believed the fictitious numbers before is going to be in a rude surprise and think there's a massive regression here. There's some potential for this to show PostgreSQL in a bad light, when people discover they really only can get ~100 commits/second out of cheap hard drives and assume the database is to blame. Interesting times. """
[10:55] <cwillu> from the postgres mailing list
[11:01] <BUGabundo_remote> emperium: clean install is the last resort
[11:02] <BUGabundo_remote> a simple live session, chrooting to your install will fix that
[11:02] <emperium> I know, but as you now i noob, and I use the wubi to istall this :=)
[11:04] <cwillu> ugh
[11:04] <cwillu> there is a time and a place for wubi.  Someday I'll discover where and when that is :p
[11:10] <BUGabundo_remote> ahhhh wubi
[11:10] <BUGabundo_remote> that explains it
[11:11] <BUGabundo_remote> cwillu: wubi was great in 8.04/.10
[11:11] <BUGabundo_remote> but in 9.10 is very much broken, when running kernel upgrades
[11:11] <cwillu> wubi was never great, don't lie :p
[11:11] <BUGabundo_remote> emperium: checkout launchpad. there's a bug and a workaround for _your_ problem
[11:11] <BUGabundo_remote> cwillu: LIES LIES ... it was great!
[11:12] <BUGabundo_remote> helped A LOT users, easing the install without having to make partitions
[11:12]  * cwillu greps for the earliest reference to BUGabundo in his xchat
[11:12] <BUGabundo_remote> 2007 ?
[11:12] <cwillu> we've had an autopartitioner since 5.04
[11:12] <cwillu> you don't have to think about partitions if you don't want to :p
[11:12] <BUGabundo_remote> cwillu: data loss, does it mean anything to you?
[11:13] <cwillu> BUGabundo_remote, yes, yes it does.  That's why I don't use wubi :p
[11:13] <BUGabundo_remote> ahahaha
[11:13] <BUGabundo_remote> cwillu: grep LP instead for emperium bug
[11:13]  * cwillu huggles BUGabundo_remote
[11:13]  * BUGabundo_remote picks up cwillu poking stick
[11:15] <BUGabundo_remote> LOLOLOL
[11:15] <BUGabundo_remote> running pidgin in gdb
[11:16] <BUGabundo_remote> when it breaks, I type 'c', and it carries on
[11:16] <BUGabundo_remote> cool
[11:57] <indus> hi
[11:57] <indus> is the fglrx working yet on lucid?
[12:13] <indus> is the fglrx working yet on lucid?
[13:02] <indus> is the fglrx working yet on lucid?
[13:02] <indus> ati proprietary i mean
[13:02] <indus> any testing ppa 's?
[13:03] <cwillu> indus, if you fill my scrollback with that question, will you stop asking? :p
[13:04] <cwillu> indus, the lack of response means nobody here knows; stay in the channel and the next person to see the question who knows will answer
[13:05] <cwillu> that said, fglrx depends entirely on a working version being released, and they're somewhat notorious for not keeping up with xorg
[13:06] <indus> cwillu, hi
[13:06] <cwillu> <3
[13:06] <indus> cwillu, wait i tryto comprehend what you said :)
[13:07] <cwillu> indus, you keep asking "are we there yet?"
[13:07] <indus> cwillu, yea
[13:07] <indus> cwillu, in alpha 2 it isnt i read, but new catalyst is due this week
[13:07] <indus> so iam hopeful
[13:08] <indus> cwillu, also, dont want to get into the ati/nvidia debate
[13:08] <cwillu> so watch the catalyst newsfeed, it'll show up there first :p
[13:08] <cwillu> indus, so use the open driver
[13:08] <indus> cwillu, how is lucid otherwise
[13:08] <indus> cwillu, i have radeaon 4850 so no luck
[13:09] <indus> not sure if radeon HD driver is ready yet, i check wiki but it says no, maybe the xorg edgers ppa is ready?
[13:09] <indus> cwillu, happy new year also :D
[13:09] <indus> iam so itching to try the latest, but maybe should wait till next month
[13:10] <indus> cwillu, one question , is it ati's work to make driver work with xorg or is it ubuntu's job
[13:10] <cwillu> the proprietary driver ("fglrx") is completely and utterly ati's job.  We can'
[13:11] <cwillu> We can't do anything except copy it into our repository and forward debugging information, and we really hate to do that when we could instead be working on the open driver
[13:11] <indus> i have catalyst 9.12
[13:11] <cwillu> utterly irrelevant :p
[13:11] <indus> its good but has some flickering
[13:12] <indus> but this argument is same as, go ask your motherboard maker for drivers, we cant help
[13:12] <cwillu> most motherboards are very well supported though
[13:12] <indus> but its all reverse engineered now isnt it, so ubuntu works on almost all hardware
[13:12] <cwillu> the only exception is via video chipsets
[13:13] <indus> so why the attitude with graphics cards
[13:13] <cwillu> indus, because everything else gets proper support from the vendors
[13:13] <indus> cwillu, really? where. try webcams
[13:13] <cwillu> whereas the video card vendors try to hide stuff in their drivers
[13:13] <indus> cwillu, is mobo specs open?
[13:13] <cwillu> indus, webcams are completely unrelated to mobo's
[13:14] <indus> hmm never mind webcams
[13:14] <cwillu> usb devices have the same general problems, but on the other hand, far more usb devices work out of the box with no additional drivers needed than on windows
[13:14] <indus> just wondering why all mobos work fine with network ,sound etc
[13:14] <indus> only realtek drivers and specs are open as far as i know
[13:14] <cwillu> indus, because they are all supported by the chipset vendors
[13:14] <indus> but nvidia chipsets work fine too
[13:15] <indus> nvidia is not open the nforce ones
[13:15] <indus> the forcedeth drivers are reverse engineered for networking to work
[13:15] <cwillu> lkml is a good place to read about this
[13:15] <indus> lkml
[13:15] <indus> ok link please
[13:15] <cwillu> type it into firefox and hit enter
[13:15] <indus> anyways, last question
[13:16] <indus> is the desktop looking same or a little different
[13:16] <indus> i only upgrade for looks , honest
[13:16] <indus> ever since dapper , i see the same installation screens
[13:17] <indus> anyways, i think i ll download install on a separate partition today
[13:17] <cwillu> ethernet drivers aren't any more complicated really than basic video support on a video card;  the acceleration used on a video card is way harder to reverse engineer
[13:17] <indus> cwillu, argumentative :)
[13:17] <cwillu> in general, most hardware _is_ supported to some extent by the chipset manufacturers
[13:17] <indus> cwillu, but nvm
[13:17] <cwillu> indus, I'm trying :p
[13:17] <indus> :)
[13:17] <indus> ok thanks though, that mobo question plagues me no end
[13:17] <indus> i will read more about it
[13:18] <cwillu> I can't remember the last time I had somethign on a mobo not work properly out of the box
[13:18]  * indus goes for a smoke
[13:18] <cwillu> you haven't yet specified an actual problem :p
[13:18] <indus> cwillu, just the ati one, cant plunge because need 3d
[13:18] <indus> and free drivers dont yet support the 4000 series
[13:19] <cwillu> indus, you should probably wait for the official ubuntu release, or at least a beta
[13:19] <indus> cwillu, no sorry no patience for that :D
[13:19] <indus> ill wait till alpha 3
[13:19] <cwillu> indus, funny you should say that :p
[13:19] <indus> or until it looks different
[13:19] <indus> ok gtg
[13:19] <indus> laters
[13:20] <cwillu> my argumentative pose is reflective of my impatience with you :p
[13:20]  * cwillu upgrades to indus alpha 0.94
[13:20] <cwillu> bah, segfault
[13:33] <bitsfritz> Hello alltogether, I'm not familiar using IRC so please be patient with faults I might do ;o))
[13:34] <yofel> !hi | bitsfritz
[13:35] <bitsfritz> I get troubles with xmodmap since Ubuntu 8.04 or 8.10 which I found several related bugs, but no enlighting answers or fixing. This is still present in lucid lynx alpha - Is this the right place to ask?
[13:36] <Lord-Readman> ask and someone might be able to help out
[13:36] <cwillu> bitsfritz, checking and filing bugs on launchpad is probably the most useful thing;  there's often good workarounds available, and that's the best place for information to be documented
[13:37] <cwillu> I can't speak for all of us, but most of my replies consist of checking launchpad for relevant bugs, and linking the asker to them;  if you can do that yourself, then that's even better :)
[13:37] <cwillu> In that context, discussion here is useful to find people to duplicate/test/confirm/whatever
[13:37] <BUGabundo_remote> cwillu: LP and upstream
[13:37] <cwillu> bitsfritz, LP and upstream :p
[13:38]  * BUGabundo_remote returns to hiding with a smile in its face
[13:38]  * cwillu is lazy, and strongly encourages all projects everywhere to use launchpad :p
[13:44] <bitsfritz> I visited Launchpad and all related issues told me something like: "good point - you'r great!". I dont't wo
[13:44] <bitsfritz> want to add one more of those
[13:45] <bitsfritz> ;o))
[13:55] <cwillu> bitsfritz, reading all the comments is also good :)
[13:56] <cwillu> but yes, if it's already been reported, and you're sure its the same issue, then feel free to click the "This bug affects me too" and "subscribe me" without adding a "me too" comment :)
[13:57] <bitsfritz> I've put the list of bugs I found here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/362608/
[13:57] <bitsfritz> maybe this helps. But looking at me writing this, I think one more whicht collects them all might be a good Idea ;o))
[13:57] <cwillu> not necessarily, if they're not actually duplicates, then that just _really_ confuses things for the developers
[13:58] <cwillu> bitsfritz, in your own words, what's the behaviour you're seeing?
[13:59] <bitsfritz> In my words: xmodmap doesn't map the keybord in an usable way.
[13:59] <cwillu> more specific
[14:00] <cwillu> what makes it unusable?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:02] <BUGabundo_remote> hey BluesKaj
[14:02] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo_remote
[14:02] <bitsfritz> I've made an xmodmapfile for my germa laptop keybord which enhances some missing keys. That works on every linux I've tried except ubuntu since al least 8.10
[14:03] <cwillu> bitsfritz, have you tried a recent'ish debian?
[14:03] <cwillu> (alternatively, what recent distros work fine?)
[14:04] <bitsfritz> The last I tried was a knoppix 6.x and a recent grml both work fine
[14:04] <cwillu> no idea what their x looks like
[14:05] <cwillu> care to try a fedora livecd?  my first reflex is that this is an xorg auto-detection/related thingie, but I"m not really up to speed on the evdev/input-framework stuff
[14:05] <cwillu> it'd be interesting to find another distro with the same problem
[14:09] <bitsfritz> cwillu, as I told it might be a good Idea to setup a new bug, for the mentioned ones show symptoms of what I see, but don't tell the whole story - so it won't be a duplikate
[14:09] <cwillu> fair enough, although the results of any experiments are prime details to include on such a bug report :)
[14:18] <bitsfritz> Yes this is what I think of. Give me some time to collect the information and provide them in a usable way.
[14:18] <bitsfritz> Will You lurk around here a later time so that I can anounce you the bug number?
[14:19] <cwillu> I'm always in channel, although I'm going to be afk for about a day or so.  There should be lots of other people active though, especially given a nice monday morning :)
[14:19] <cwillu> #ubuntu-bugs may also be apropos, given that this is an issue you've seen on previous releases (although myself I'd put the focus on fixing thing for the next release;  I'm just an interested by-stander though, so don't take that as official :p)
[14:22] <_stink_> hey folks.  just installed lucid 64 bit and upgraded stuff as normal.  now as i go to install the package ldm-server (among other things), it seems to be working fine until apt gets to the line "Setting up ldm-server... (2:2.0.53-0ubuntu1)", then it sits essentially forever.  the latest line in /var/log/dpkg.log is "... status half-configured ldm-server 2:2.0.53-0ubuntu1", and no more activity.  i know others may not have tr
[14:23] <bitsfritz> I'd like to see fixed that for the next release which is LTS.
[14:26] <alkisg> _stink_: if you restart openbsd-inetd from another terminal, it continues
[14:26] <_stink_> alkisg: :D good seeing you here!
[14:26] <alkisg> :)
[14:26] <_stink_> alkisg: i see.  this was known?
[14:27] <alkisg> _stink_: I'm not sure. I experienced it today, but I don't think there's a bug report filed for it
[14:27] <alkisg> It may have to do with upstart-ifying openbsd-inetd
[14:28] <_stink_> alkisg: ok.  i also tried ctrl-c'ing it, and apt seems to have smartly noticed and recovered at the end.
[14:45] <coz_> things seems to be working well so far :)   just did update after a week of the system being down :)
[14:48] <BluesKaj> I have dirs dying when i try to open them in dolphin or konq ...it's getting tiresome :P
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[15:48] <dirty> anyone help me with hotsync with palm pre
[15:58] <gnomefreak> anyone know what folder/file that holds deams that are loaded by default
[15:58] <cwillu> deams
[15:58] <cwillu> ?
[15:58] <gnomefreak> sorry deamons
[15:58] <cwillu> gnome daemons, or system?
[15:58] <gnomefreak> daemons
[15:58] <cwillu> /etc/init is where /etc/init.d/ lives as upstart jobs now
[15:58] <gnomefreak> better yet system
[15:59] <gnomefreak> thanks
[15:59] <cwillu> /etc/init/tty1 is a good example of the bare minimum
[15:59] <cwillu> most of the converted jobs aren't exactly as simple as they could be :p
[16:00] <gnomefreak> cwillu: /etc/init/tty1 is empty
[16:00] <cwillu> tty1.conf, sorry
[16:00] <cwillu> (tty1 doesn't exist)
[16:01] <gnomefreak> there used to be a file for daemons (a single file)
[16:01] <cwillu> mm?
[16:01] <cwillu> nope, although you were probably thinking of inittab
[16:01] <gnomefreak> i dont recall the file its been a while
[16:01] <cwillu> or you mean network daemons?
[16:02] <cwillu> name a couple daemons, to make sure we're talking about the same thing
[16:03] <gnomefreak> udev dbus cron wicd
[16:03] <gnomefreak> ect...
[16:04] <cwillu> those were always /etc/init.d/ scripts, with symlinks into /etc/rc123.d/
[16:04] <gnomefreak> averent(spelling)
[16:04] <cwillu> don't recall that they were ever defined in a single file
[16:04] <gnomefreak> that is empty as well :)
[16:05] <cwillu> well, what _do_ you have in /etc/init?
[16:05] <gnomefreak> way too many things loading at start up
[16:05] <gnomefreak> alot
[16:07] <gnomefreak> cwillu: would renaming files stop them from loading or will it just spawn another file
[16:07] <cwillu> gnomefreak, only .conf files will be executed
[16:07] <cwillu> but renaming it while keeping the .conf won't change anything, it'll still run
[16:08] <gnomefreak> cwillu: there doesnt seem like there is a way in the file to stop it from loading on startup without clearing the file
[16:09] <gnomefreak> example sudo gedit avahi-daemon.conf is a simple script however there doesnt seem to ba anything to stop it
[16:09] <cwillu> commenting out the "start" line should do it, assuming that it's not explicitly started by another job, which it shouldn't
[16:09] <gnomefreak> start on (filesystem and started dbus)
[16:09] <gnomefreak> stop on stopping dbus
[16:09] <cwillu> on the other hand, I can assure you that avahi-daemon isn't what's holding up your boot :p
[16:10] <gnomefreak> cwillu: correct however i dont need it
[16:10] <cwillu> avahi-daemon itself will pay attention to /etc/defaults/avahi*
[16:11] <cwillu> but in general, renaming the file to something that doesn't end in .conf, or commenting out the start line, or removing the package, all of these are viable options :p
[16:11] <cwillu> if you don't need it, you should probably just remove it
[16:13] <gnomefreak> cwillu: thnaks trying to remove them now
[16:13] <cwillu> (meant to remove the packages)
[16:14] <cwillu> not quite sure how the "config files on package upgrade" thing is generally handled with upstart jobs
[16:15] <gnomefreak> cwillu: i am removing packages it just i wish some would remove only themselves example: bluetooth IIRC removes alot of gnome packages
[16:16] <gnomefreak> bluetooth wants to remove ubuntu-standard
[16:19] <duffydack> fglrx still broken
[17:24] <komputes> Gnome Nautilus - Can't see full path of files, because there is no longer a "Pencil Icon"
[17:24] <komputes> Anyone else using Lucid having issues telling what path they are in because of this?
[17:28] <coz_> mm let me check
[17:30] <coz_> komputes,  same here apparenlty
[17:30] <komputes> coz_: I'm thinking of reporting this, let me check if someone has
[17:33] <BUGabundo_remote> komputes: press ctrl+l
[17:33] <alkisg> On a newly installed system I have LANG=el_US.utf8 instead of el_US.UTF-8, and that breaks a lot of programs. Is this some transitional phase? Which of the two is the correct one?
[17:33] <coz_> there you go
[17:34] <komputes> BUGabundo_remote: that does nothing for me, still in icon view, still no path bar
[17:34] <BUGabundo_remote> wfm
[17:34] <BUGabundo_remote> I can after that see/edit the path
[17:34] <BUGabundo_remote> its 'l' as in lol
[17:34] <komputes> that's odd
[17:35] <komputes> ok
[17:35] <BUGabundo_remote> no CAPS i' from I'am
[17:36] <komputes> BUGabundo_remote: bizarre they would put that in the Go menu, I was expecting it under View
[17:36] <komputes> well I feel less bad since the feature is still there :D thanks BUGabundo_remote
[17:49] <BUGabundo_remote> np
[19:46] <nperry> Finally fixed my netbook so can abuse works wifi when the boss isn't in
[20:05] <bjsnider> well, that's good. that's certainly what ubuntu is all about
[21:05] <prefrontal> in lucid after boot I have to run ifup eth0 and also start kdm, otherwise I don't get network or a display manager
[21:08] <yofel> prefrontal: is your system up to date? We did have issues with kdm, but that was fixed
[21:10] <prefrontal> yes i just did a do-release-upgrade
[21:10] <prefrontal> do you think the kdm issue could be a runlevel issue?
[21:11] <yofel> well, not runlevel, upstart is different
[21:11] <prefrontal> well once i run them everything works fine, so it seems to point at a common cause
[21:11] <prefrontal> startup related
[21:12] <yofel> prefrontal: open /etc/init/kdm.conf in an editor and look at the 'start on' expression that states the requirements for kdm to run on boot
[21:13] <prefrontal> filesystem, hal, tty-device-added, graphics-device-added
[21:13] <yofel> ok, your system is NOT up-to-date
[21:13] <prefrontal> http://pastebin.ca/raw/1765695
[21:13] <yofel> the hal depens was removed a while ago, (that was the issue that was fixed)
[21:13] <prefrontal> hmm, but the only out of date packages i have right now are kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts libplot2c2 libpng12-0 libpng12-dev libpstoedit0c2a pstoedit python-launchpadlib rsync
[21:14] <yofel> prefrontal: here's mine: http://yofel.pastebin.com/f73cde525
[21:16] <prefrontal> it must be a bug in the kdm package. perhaps it is not overwriting kdm.conf on upgrade
[21:17] <prefrontal> i just downloaded the latest kdm package and it contains the kdm.conf that you have
[21:18] <prefrontal> ohh... hmm. dist-upgrade suggests i need a new kdm
[21:18] <prefrontal> ok, brb:)
[21:25] <prefrontal> yofel, that fixed my kdm, thanks
[21:25] <yofel> yw
[21:25] <prefrontal> i still have a network issue. i get an ip address, nfs mounts work, nis login works, i can ssh to this box, but i can't get online. i have to run ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0, then it works
[21:26] <yofel> o.O
[21:26] <yofel> does 'ping google.com' work in a terminal?
[21:26] <prefrontal> no
[21:26] <yofel> could be a DNS issue
[21:26] <prefrontal> host unreachable
[21:27] <prefrontal> yes i think it is some kind of dns issue, since the ip for google works
[21:27] <prefrontal> but then, why does it work after i bring the network interace down and then back up again?
[21:28] <yofel> prefrontal: you should check the contents of /etc/resolv.conf , NM should add the DNS ips there
[21:29] <prefrontal> nameserver in resolv.conf is the same as dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces
[21:29] <yofel> prefrontal: you should also check /var/log/syslog for any NM errors
[21:29] <yofel> oh
[21:29] <yofel> you use interfaces...
[21:29] <yofel> lets see
[21:30] <yofel> hm, but if resolv.conf has the DNS entry then it should work fine...
[21:31] <prefrontal> brb, need to reboot to see what shows up in syslog
[21:31] <yofel> can anyone else comment on this too? I'm no expert on debugging networks...
[21:36] <kklimonda> yay, kernel panic - first one on 10.04
[21:38] <prefrontal> yofel, i may have found it in syslog. looks crazy. "avahi-daemon[1176]: Failed to open /etc/resolv.conf: Invalid argument"  more: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1765718
[21:39] <prefrontal> i wonder if this is an out of order device loading issue. could the filesystem not be there yet? seems nuts.
[21:40] <yofel> no idea, I've never seen such a message
[21:40] <yofel> google might be of more help
[21:40] <prefrontal> yep, am looking
[21:51] <rmunn> prefrontal: What happens when you run "dig www.google.com"?
[21:54] <prefrontal> rmunn, is it worth a reboot? ;-)
[21:55] <prefrontal> i know that its a dns issue
[21:55] <prefrontal> i plugged in google's ip and it worked
[21:56] <rmunn> prefontal: Probably not -- but running dig might tell you which DNS server (if any) it's trying to use
[21:56] <BUGabundo> bRoas o/
[21:56] <rmunn> prefrontal: I had a problem once where I had two DNS servers running on my network, and one of them wasn't properly configured. Lots of head-scratching until I used dig.
[21:57] <prefrontal> rmunn, ok, the next time i reboot i will examine with dig, thanks
[22:07] <DanaG> weird... after plymouth, my screen still does a mode-switch.
[23:01] <myrradin> does anyone else thinkg that iwlwifi doesn't work very well in karmic or lucid ?
[23:07] <crimsun> myrradin: sorry, but you're going to need to give a lot more hw and dmesg detail than that
[23:08] <crimsun> i.e., trivially /someone/ "thinks that iwlwifi doesn't work very well in karmic or lucid"
[23:08] <myrradin> crimsun: this happens to me a lot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/429035/comments/55
[23:09] <myrradin> it worked for me in jaunty, my memory is not that great but I THINK back then it used the ipw2200 driver, and the daemon, the firmware
[23:09] <crimsun> myrradin: have you tried using compat-wireless-2.6.33-rc5.tar.bz2 ?
[23:10] <myrradin> crimsun: no.  what is that?  i just looked in apt-cache and synaptic, i don't see it
[23:12] <myrradin> crimsun: is that available for lucid?
[23:15] <Sarvatt> does it happen in another OS? there are problems with some broadcom drivers used on routers that have problems connecting to intel clients for instance (not sure if you are using a linux based router)
[23:16] <myrradin> Sarvatt: my wireless nic works in windows xp.  it worked in jaunty.  i have had troubles connecting to my own router-running-linux (tomato), apple airport, and random access point at various coffee shops
[23:16] <Sarvatt> yeah tomato specifically is one that has problems with intel clients if you use the ND firmware
[23:17] <myrradin> how do i fix, besides stop using ubuntu?
[23:17] <Sarvatt> nvram set wl_reg_mode=off
[23:17] <Sarvatt> nvram commit
[23:17] <Sarvatt> on the router
[23:17] <myrradin> what is ND firmware?
[23:17] <Sarvatt> or switch away from a ND release
[23:18] <myrradin> that's firmware on my wireless router?
[23:18] <Sarvatt> yes
[23:19] <Sarvatt> there are 2 versions of tomato, ND and normal, ND has newer broadcom drivers on it but has problems with intel clients, you can use those commands i pasted in a shell on it or switch to the non ND one. I'm not sure if your router requires a ND  firmware though but both are offered on the download page
[23:19] <myrradin> in my workplace i have two wifi routers.  i can't connect to the one running tomato (i'll try your suggestion) , the other one is a cisco business router smoething something.  if i run karmic or lucid, i can't even see the access point, it's not available to try to connect to, really weird
[23:20] <BluesKaj> I wonder why my fstab disappeared after an kernel upgrade..did a cat /etc/fstab and copied it to /etc/fstab and edited it fit my previous file , but it fails to boot
[23:25] <Sarvatt> myrradin: it could very well be a kernel problem but intel clients dropping connections like that is a _really_ common problem with tomato firmware (and anything else using the newer broadcom drivers). might be worth looking into that is all
[23:26] <myrradin> Sarvatt: i wish it was possible to compile the old intel ipw2200 stuff in current kernels, but it doesn't appear to be possible anymore
[23:30] <myrradin> so what's a good USB wireless nic that uses a chip that ubuntu has a driver for that works 99.99 percent of the time ?
[23:32] <BluesKaj> myrradin, well I can tell what not to ...belkin, been struggling with a usb wifi for a week, no luck
[23:32] <kklimonda> great, new anjuta crashes on code completion - time to go back to vim I guess
[23:33] <myrradin> i went out and bought a usb wireless nic... it appears to use intel 3945, oops
[23:35] <BluesKaj> myrradin, but what brand usb?
[23:35] <crimsun> hint: for usb wifi, go with an atheros chipset.
[23:37] <BUGabundo> thanks crimsun
[23:41] <crimsun> the two reliable usb wifi devices I have are driven by rtl8187 and ar9170usb, respectively
[23:41] <myrradin> myrradin: I wonder what chip this is? http://www.amazon.com/BlueProton-High-Gain-Wireless-802-11g-Adapter/dp/B001GQLLSW/ref=pd_cp_e_1
[23:41] <myrradin> oops
[23:41] <myrradin> talking to myself
[23:41] <crimsun> completely Free, which is a bit deal with debugging kernel problems
[23:41] <crimsun> s/bit/big/
[23:44] <BluesKaj> crimsun, my belkin keeps trying to use my neighbour's real slow unsecured network..iwlist scan seems to give the neighbour's network priority overmy 2wire , and I've done the etc/network/interfaces tutorials til blue in the face but it refuses to connect ...itwas working very well on jaunty with wicd .
[23:44] <myrradin> the internet says that is a realtek chip.  will that work ?
[23:45] <myrradin> ive wasted many hours of my life in getting wireless and ubuntu to work, it is sad
[23:45] <crimsun> myrradin: wireless.kernel.org has a semi-maintained list of usb ids for wifi adapters
[23:47] <crimsun> BluesKaj: having never used wicd, I don't know if you can lock a BSSID to an ESSID
[23:47] <myrradin> Make no mistake, you get what you pay for with this. I bought it to use with my G3 running Ubuntu 9.04. Just as they claim, it worked right away, and the drivers for it are fine. Note that this thing gets extremely hot. Mind-blowingly hot. I can't believe it doesn't have a straight up heating element in it hot.
[23:47] <crimsun> BluesKaj: it should be possible using wpa_supplicant directly, however.
[23:49] <BluesKaj> yeah, that was one of the techniques i tried without success
[23:50] <crimsun> via wpa_cli, too?
[23:54] <BluesKaj> crimsun, wpa_supplicant and /etc/network/interfaces and cli dhclient commands for starting the network
[23:54] <myrradin> i just bought an atheros chipset wireless nic, i look forward to not having to complain all of the time about this
[23:55] <BluesKaj> myrradin, try wicd , itworks well with atheros
[23:55] <BluesKaj> network manager is flaky
[23:56] <myrradin> just bought... is being mailed to me now.  for now,i cry about iwlwifi  and intel
[23:57] <BluesKaj> myrradin, no need to vry, you'll be ok with the intel i'm sure
[23:58] <myrradin> no, it makes me cry, it sucks, it doesn't work.  it worked with jaunty and the binary driver


[05:10] <hikiko> hello
[06:32] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:37] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[06:37] <seb128> salut pitti, joyeux vendredi !
[06:37] <seb128> wie gehts?
[06:37] <hikiko> good morning people
[06:37] <seb128> hey hikiko
[06:52] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke! setting up autopkgtest and apport retracers for xenial :)
[06:53] <seb128> pitti, can we upload there yet? ;-)
[06:53] <pitti> seb128: sure, since yesterday
[06:53] <pitti> (to the unapproved queue)
[06:53] <pitti> some things, like my debhelper merge even got accepted :)
[06:53] <seb128> the queue is empty so I was wondering
[06:53] <seb128> didn't try yet
[06:53] <pitti> but there's no britney yet
[06:53] <seb128> k
[06:53] <pitti> will coordinate that with Adam once he comes online
[06:54] <pitti><EMAIL_ADDRESS>\o/
[06:55] <seb128> nice
[06:57] <pitti> I have a script now which constructs a xenial cloud image based on a wily one
[06:57] <pitti> until we get real cloud images
[07:01] <Sweet5hark1> moin
[07:03] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark1
[07:08] <larsu> good morning!
[07:09] <desrt> Sweet5hark1: welcome!
[07:14] <seb128> hey desrt larsu
[07:15] <Sweet5hark1> desrt, larsu: Morning guys!
[07:15] <desrt> hi larsu, seb128
[07:15] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: I think I fixed the .desktop file issue -- its still building locally ...
[07:15] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, great! I just assigned the bug to you
[07:16] <desrt> weird side effect of ingress: random unknown people in the city that you are visiting start adding you on google plus
[07:17] <duflu> desrt: You attract the admiration of strangers?
[07:17] <duflu> Or just curiosity?
[07:20] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: the Perl script wasnt the issue really (I hope). The issue is that libreoffice-{writer,calc,base,...} are being build from the (non-l10n) libreoffice source package and not from the l10n libreoffice-l10n source package. Thus it thinks it needs only en-US.
[07:20] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, oh, that would make sense
[07:20] <desrt> duflu: you go around the city leaving traces of the fact that you were present.... and then it's all linked to your G+ profile
[07:21] <seb128> larsu, unsure if you saw my ping about https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-settings-daemon/gwarning_debug_leftover/+merge/275304 yesterday?
[07:22] <duflu> Ah privacy
[07:24] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: (This btw means that we will depend hard on the libreoffice*.orig-ext-translations* tarballs from the non-l10n source package too as that is where the translations come from)
[07:25] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: urgh, this needs more fixing. The .desktop files are now localized -- _except_ for the quicklist entries. So a bug behind the other bug.
[07:25] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, :-/
[07:30] <larsu> seb128: didn't see it thanks for repinging
[07:30] <larsu> seb128: should this really be removed or a be g_debug()?
[07:30] <larsu> I hate g_debug(), so I guess removing is correct :)
[07:30] <seb128> larsu, it was not there before/is not upstream
[07:30] <larsu> weird
[07:30] <larsu> approving
[07:30] <seb128> why?
[07:30] <seb128> it was added when we updated our code to the new gnome-desktop
[07:31] <larsu> I wonder why someone would use g_warning for a debug thing
[07:31] <seb128> so I guess somebody did debugging while porting and forgot to drop it
[07:31] <larsu> ya...
[07:31] <seb128> thanks
[07:31] <larsu> please add me to that team?
[07:32]  * larsu wants to top approve and hacks enough on u-s-d
[07:32] <seb128> larsu, done
[07:32] <larsu> thanks
[07:33] <larsu> ah now you already approved it
[07:33] <seb128> pitti, I'm looking at recent bug reports, just mentioning bug #1508697 in case it's of interest
[07:33] <larsu> wanted to test my new powers!
[07:33] <seb128> larsu, lucky you there is still https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-settings-daemon/wacom_device_type/+merge/275305 ;-)
[07:34] <pitti> seb128: yes, jderose told me when he filed it (but didn't yet get to that)
[07:34] <seb128> larsu, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=935a0b13065d8bf8aa77a922f7db911689e20942 is the upstream commit for cross reference
[07:34] <seb128> pitti, k
[07:36] <larsu> seb128: done!
[07:38] <seb128> larsu, danke ;-)
[07:42] <BigWhale> Good morning everyone.
[07:43] <BigWhale> When are we getting rid of Xorg? I got a new monitor and suddenly I am affected by at least two Xorg bugs. :'(
[07:43] <seb128> hey BigWhale, it has been a while! how are you?
[07:43] <seb128> oh, which ones?
[07:43] <BigWhale> Hey seb128! I'm awfully busy. Unfortunately. :(
[07:44] <BigWhale> Well, #49579 is a bit annoying and then there's #1295267 which is really annoying. :))
[07:46]  * duflu looks up bug 49579 and bug 1295267
[07:46] <seb128> is the second one still an issue?
[07:46] <seb128> it was marked as fixed
[07:47] <willcooke> hey ho
[07:47] <willcooke> let's start it all over again then :)
[07:47] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:47] <willcooke> seb128, that U8 issues I told you about has vanished on reinstall
[07:47] <willcooke> same iso
[07:47] <willcooke> so meh
[07:47] <seb128> willcooke, ok, good I guess
[07:47] <seb128> though I don't like much random bugs
[07:47] <willcooke> :D
[07:47] <willcooke> I'll try it again later
[07:50] <BigWhale> seb128, yeah it's still an issue and it is really annoying because I now have to manually lock the session and then turn off my monitors. Which, because of Display Port isn't an optimal solution either. Because DP will report screens as gone and WM will rearrange windows on the second screen.
[07:50] <seb128> BigWhale, what's the issue? a monitor is reported as missing when you lock screen?
[07:51] <duflu> BigWhale: Yeah we hope to avoid such bugs that may never be fixed in X/Compiz/Unity7 but be careful what you wish for. Right now Mir/Unity8 have their own issues that Unity7 still does better
[07:53] <BigWhale> seb128, when screens are put into power saving mode and the screen is locked there's all sort of mayhem with windows upon unlocking. They are randomly displaced across the physical and virtual screens.
[07:54] <seb128> I don't see that here
[07:54] <seb128> but I'm using vga
[07:54] <BigWhale> It started to happen to me when I got 4K monitor.
[07:54] <BigWhale> on display port
[07:55] <BigWhale> I think that when monitor is put to power saving mode and it turns off, Xorg thinks that monitor is disconnected.
[07:55] <BigWhale> Or something along these lines
[07:56] <seb128> that would explain the behaviour
[07:56] <BigWhale> however
[07:56] <seb128> unsure what the right fix would be
[07:56] <seb128> probably for compiz to not do wm actions while locked
[07:56] <BigWhale> I tried running Xrandr in a loop while the monitors are turned off
[07:57] <BigWhale> and Xrandr didn't report monitors disappearing
[07:57] <BigWhale> or any resolution change or anything
[07:57] <duflu> BigWhale: It might be the DisplayPort protocol. My monitors let me choose DP1.1 or 1.2 and Linux gets quite confused by 1.2 (although mostly works)
[07:58] <BigWhale> seb128, I was thinking about that too... Ignore wm changes when screen is locked. But I am not sure how this would affect applications that need those.
[07:58] <duflu> I keep it on 1.2 so I'm reminded to make Mir *work*
[07:59] <BigWhale> :)
[08:03] <BigWhale> I'll check if udevadm monitor reports something ...
[08:05] <duflu> There's also the kernel i915 driver. Which regularly shifts in feature support and reliability between releases...
[08:08] <duflu> BigWhale: I suspect there's been a significant shift in udev/kernel behaviour there. We noticed the same kind of thing in Mir (display device is reported as vanishing when you turn it off): https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1489689
[08:08] <duflu> It used to work...
[08:10] <duflu> From memory it does away (according to udev) and comes back with a different ID. So the shell predictably thinks you have hotplugged things. Have not dug any deeper though
[08:10] <duflu> *goes away
[08:42] <Trevinho> morning (i was actually here before, but I was forgetting the HELO).
[08:43] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you?
[08:43] <willcooke> hey Trevinho
[08:43] <Trevinho> seb128: ok... moving on.
[08:44] <seb128> Trevinho, to x?
[08:44] <Trevinho> to I don't know where :)
[08:44]  * seb128 not sure to understand what's going on
[08:45]  * seb128 hugs Trevinho
[08:49]  * pitti wonders where Laney, infinity, and co are -- still hangover from last night's release celebrations? :-)
[08:50] <willcooke> I hope so
[08:50] <willcooke> :)
[09:09] <Laney> morning
[09:09] <Laney> been searching for a launderette without success
[09:10] <davmor2> Laney: use the nearby scope, or move over towards the universities more
[09:10] <Laney> phone died
[09:13] <davmor2> Laney: you know the sockety thing in the bottom, if you plug that into a micro usb it charges it :P
[09:13] <larsu> morning Laney!
[09:14] <Laney> davmor2: I left ALL the cables in the office
[09:14] <Laney> hey larsu!
[09:23] <seb128> hum, irc timeouted
[09:24] <seb128> Laney, hey ;-) (unsure you saw my greeting before)
[09:25] <seb128> yeah, first xenial-changes emails with pitti's pkg-create-dbgsym upload
[09:25] <Laney> hey, no I didn't
[09:26] <seb128> hey Laney!
[09:26] <seb128>  Laney, when do you travel back from London?
[09:26] <Laney> seb128: 8 days ;-)
[09:27] <seb128> oh, directly London to Berlin?
[09:27] <seb128> I though you would do another 1 day stop at your place :p
[09:28] <Laney> nein
[09:28] <Laney> that is why I need to find a place to do laundry
[09:28] <seb128> that makes sense now ;-)
[09:28] <Laney> apparently this is some kind of black hole
[09:34] <pitti> hey Laney
[09:35] <pitti> seb128: oh, I uploaded debhelper before :)
[09:35] <seb128> pitti, that didn't hit the list, it was before it was ready maybe? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xenial-changes/2015-October/date.html
[09:37] <darkxst> hey Laney seb128 Pitti
[09:37] <pitti> seb128: hmm, peut-être
[09:37] <darkxst> pitti, some wily packages seem to missing -dbgsym packages for amd64?
[09:37] <pitti> darkxst: yep, came up in #u-devel earlier on, on my list
[09:37] <darkxst> gjs, libmozjs etc
[09:39] <seb128> they don't
[09:39] <seb128> well the ddebs are there
[09:39] <seb128> the index is just outdated
[09:39] <pitti> right, the indexes are wrong
[09:39]  * pitti sights at apt-ftparchive
[09:39] <seb128> but apport should be able to find them without index, if I understood previous discussions
[09:40] <pitti> correct
[09:40] <pitti> it falls back to downloading them from LP
[09:40] <seb128> btw that gjs bug has a valgrind log now
[09:54] <andyrock> g' morning :D
[10:04] <darkxst> seb128, don;t think that is whats causing the crash though ;(
[10:06] <cyphermox> willcooke: hey
[10:07] <cyphermox> willcooke: just an early reminder for a xerus to add to the ubiquity slideshow, eventually ;)
[10:09] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: so, apparently the second bug is fixed too now. At least looks good in a incremental build.
[10:09] <Sweet5hark1> (full bfs is still running)
[10:15] <willcooke> cyphermox, I'll wait until a week before release ;)
[10:34] <Laney> $ mk-sbuild xenial
[10:34] <Laney> hells yeah
[10:34] <desrt> :)
[10:35] <willcooke> \o/
[10:35]  * desrt uninstalled all of her dev packages and only builds in schroots now (including jhbuild)
[10:35] <desrt> perhaps i should get a xenial one...
[10:35]  * pitti pats /etc/schroot/chroot.d/sbuild-xenial-{i386,amd64}, created yesterday evening :)
[10:36] <pitti> desrt: way to go! (plus schroot overlay on tmpfs and apt-cacher-ng)
[10:36] <desrt> i found two extremely annoying apt-cacher-ng problems yesterday while dealing with this....
[10:36] <desrt> filed two bugs.  one of them the maintainer said "thanks" and the other they said "...well, it's your fault for not reading README.Debian"
[10:36]  * desrt makes a face
[10:37] <pitti> desrt: I got a lot of 404s on xenial indexes yesterday indeed
[10:37] <pitti> seems okay today, not sure what changed
[10:37] <pitti> -o Acquire::Http::Proxy=no-cache helped yesterday
[10:37] <pitti> i. e. a-c-ng problem indeed
[10:37] <desrt> that's cheating :)
[10:39] <desrt> what's the deal with /etc in debian, anyway?
[10:39] <desrt> the maintainer is acting like i have no right to modify files here
[10:43] <willcooke> pitti, just a heads up, I've seen two people on G+ mention this (not many, I grant you) and I also had it while testing W ISOs earlier this week... when shutting down the machine would sit for up to 1m 30 seconds before powering off.  Pressing f12 showed that systemd was waiting for something to close.  A blind guess is it might be related to a USB drive not unmounting.  I'm trying to recreate
[10:43] <pitti> willcooke: most common is that some process in the session is hanging, i. e. not shutting down on SIGTERM
[10:44] <pitti> willcooke: "sudo systemctl start debug-shell", and while it hangs, press Ctrl+Alt+F9, run "systemctl list-jobs", and "ps aux" to see what's currently runnign/waiting
[10:44] <willcooke> pitti, great, will do.  thanks
[10:44] <pitti> willcooke: kernel hanging on unmount is also a likely cause, yes
[10:45] <pitti> but usually that happens again if it's still busy, i. e. some program has some file open on it
[10:45] <willcooke> yeah
[10:45] <willcooke> So far, in 5 more re-installs, I can't make it do it
[10:45] <willcooke> and one of the guys who also saw it reinstalled and it's now fine as well
[10:45] <pitti> willcooke: oh, you mean the live session hangs, not the installed one?
[10:45] <willcooke> I can't remember for sure, but I think it might have been in the live session
[10:46] <willcooke> trying both
[10:46] <pitti> we (me too) did like a gazillion test installs, but I didn't do one onto USB
[10:49] <desrt> pitti: looking for advice on how to install xenial if my debootstrap doesn't know about it
[10:49] <desrt> ie: where do i find the script?
[10:49] <Laney> make a symlink in /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/ like the others
[10:49] <pitti> desrt: wily's debootstrap does know about it
[10:49] <desrt> gotcha.
[10:49] <pitti> desrt: sudo ln -s gutsy /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/xenial
[10:50] <desrt> violating my "don't modify /usr" rule... but not seriously so :)
[10:50] <pitti> well, I figure it'll be SRUed into trusty at some point otoo
[10:50] <pitti> desrt: running trusty?
[10:50] <Laney> trusty ol' unstable
[10:51] <desrt> pitti: *cough* testing
[10:51] <desrt> Laney: i keep sid in my schroot :)
[10:52] <pitti> desrt: ah, ok; should trickle into debian soon enough too
[10:52] <desrt> one more question, since we're on the topic:
[10:52] <desrt> any way to teach debootstrap to deal nicer with apt-cacher-ng?
[10:53] <pitti> like "actually use it"?
[10:53] <desrt> three possible questions about that:
[10:53] <desrt> 1) avoid needing to manually set http_proxy envvar each time
[10:53] <desrt> 2) drop the right stanza into the destination /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ to use the proxy
[10:53] <pitti> adt-build-lxc sets http_proxy to the apt proxy indeed, for that
[10:53] <desrt> 3) perhaps have knowledge about the local cache and hardlink files instead of copying them over http to localhost
[10:53] <pitti> and translates <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS> (or whatever the lxc-net bridge has)
[10:54] <desrt> too high-tech for me :)
[10:54] <pitti> desrt: .. and for everyone else too!
[10:55] <desrt> maybe i should just roll my own helper script
[10:55] <desrt> ....like probably everyone else does
[10:55] <desrt> okay... one more question getting into 'personal management style' type stuff
[10:56] <desrt> how do you deal with your various installs?  install the base system and keep that up to date via -c source:... and then use overlays for everything else and have apt-cacher-ng help with avoiding too much downloading?
[10:56] <pitti> desrt: alias upgrade-schroot='sudo sbuild-update -udcar `ls /etc/schroot/chroot.d/ | sed -n "/experimental/ n; s/sbuild-//; p"`'
[10:56] <pitti> desrt: that's my alias to upgrade all my schroots
[10:57] <desrt> hmm
[10:57] <pitti> (that's because I have an sbuild-experimental-amd64 which points to the sid tarball, just enables an extra apt source)
[10:57]  * desrt considers slightly raising her technology level
[10:57] <pitti> which is probably bogus, thois shoudl just be an Alias
[10:57] <desrt> ie: maybe sbuild is OK :)
[10:57] <pitti> desrt: the gist is indeed to run sbhuild-update on all your schroots daily
[10:58] <pitti> desrt: yes, and all my overlays for qemu, schroot, lxc etc. are on /tmp/, /tmp/ is a tmpfs, and with acng I can create a build schroot for pretty much any pacakge in seconds
[10:58] <pitti> and even when I'm offline in a train
[10:59] <desrt> i tried to get fancy with bindmounting my /var/cache/apt
[10:59] <desrt> i found out that this way only lies pain
[10:59] <pitti> yeah, I much rather use an apt proxy
[10:59] <desrt> it's an imperfect solution, but works pretty nicely in practice
[10:59]  * pitti cleans up his silly sbuild-experimental-amd64 config while I'm at it
[11:02] <desrt> i guess another possibility is to debootstrap each time
[11:02] <desrt> but that seems pretty excessive
[11:03] <desrt> but in a certain sense, the chroots are really /var/cache material since you can throw them away and almost automatically recreate them...
[11:04] <pitti> desrt: yeah, always deboostrapping is utterly painful
[11:04] <pitti> at least I want a schroot in < 1 s, not after 5 mins
[11:26] <willcooke> can haz daily iso tests booting on real hardware and testing boot to desktop, connect to wifi, usb, etc
[11:26] <willcooke> thanks ara
[11:26] <Laney> O_O
[11:26] <ara> willcooke, np!
[11:26] <Laney> srsly?
[11:27] <willcooke> for reals
[11:27] <Laney> link plz
[11:27] <Laney> is it hooked up to image promotion?
[11:27] <willcooke> caveat:  soon
[11:27] <willcooke> ;)
[11:27] <ara> no, not hooked to anything now :)
[11:27] <Laney> will it be then :P
[11:27] <willcooke> Laney, no, we're hijacking the HW cert
[11:28] <Laney> should be IMO
[11:28] <willcooke> Laney, lets work out if we can hook them together once you're back from hols
[11:28] <davmor2> willcooke: WooHoo! /me hugs ara cause she's awesome
[11:28] <Laney> someone in jibel's team is working on that
[11:28] <Laney> probably can assist
[11:28] <willcooke> Laney, ack, will speak to jibel
[11:28]  * willcooke -> lunch
[11:28] <davmor2> willcooke: not till later you won't he is flying home
[11:29] <Laney> that's https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/wily/view/Smoke%20Testing/job/wily-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/ stuff
[11:29] <willcooke> wfm, it's too late in the week to be thinking
[11:31] <willcooke> Laney, that links seems to suggest "we tested nothing, and it all passed"
[11:32] <Laney> I think they test some things but not many things
[11:32] <Laney> but this is what we talked about improving in the past
[11:32] <willcooke> cool
[11:32] <willcooke> We're heading in the right direction at least
[11:33] <Laney> and I think what nuclearbob was working on
[11:33] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-test-cases/+bug/1477227
[11:34] <Laney> not that you'd know anyone was working on it from that bug
[11:47] <willcooke> Laney, I'll chat with QA next week
[11:57] <Laney> k00l b33nz
[12:14] <cyphermox> willcooke: indeed seems like multiple people may be looking at fixing the tests for image promotion -- I for one would be happy to see good testing for desktop and server... I think the fact that there's real hardware is good now, and we can work to enhance the test suites that already exist
[12:14] <cyphermox> ie. LVM test was "useful" but broken for a while.
[12:14] <willcooke> yeah
[12:15] <willcooke> IMO we *must* improve this if we're going to to put out an LTS
[13:44] <Sweet5hark1> wrt bug 1477227 I had noted that none of the journalists screenshots seemed to have the symptoms of bug 1508177. Thus even these guys do not seem to install from a virgin ISO ...
[13:47] <qengho> good morning.
[13:48] <willcooke> hey qengho
[13:49] <qengho> So, "x" is going seem strange to type every day.
[13:49] <seb128> bah
[13:49] <seb128> hey qengho
[13:55] <tkamppeter> seb128, hi
[13:55] <seb128> hey tkamppeter
[13:55] <tkamppeter> seb128, I hope you recovered from fixing the last release blockers and so I want to ask you whether you had already a look into my straces.
[13:58] <seb128> tkamppeter, I had but I didn't see anything obvious from those, I think a way to debug it would be to edit the cups code calling the command and adding some debug there, like printing more info, maybe doing a system("cmd > /tmp/log") call and see what is in the log...
[13:58] <seb128> I wanted to do that but got too busy with the release this week
[13:58] <seb128> but maybe you can have a try?
[14:15]  * seb128 wonders if pitti is replacing the autosync job
[14:16] <Laney> pittisync
[14:17] <pitti> seb128: oh, where do you see this?
[14:17] <pitti> I'm moving the wily-proposed cruft into xenial-proposed, to make room for "real" SRUs
[14:17] <Laney> they're generating mail
[14:17] <Laney> at least for rejections
[14:17] <seb128> pitti, xenial-changes
[14:17]  * Laney got a couple
[14:17] <pitti> oh, there's a --silent
[14:17] <pitti> sorry!
[14:17] <pitti> next time :/
[14:17] <seb128> no worry
[14:18] <Laney> pitti: are you being mailed about the rejections? don't know if you need to copy these without binaries or something (the ones I got were for FTFBS stuff)
[14:21] <Laney> looks like it's being taken care of
[14:21] <pitti> Laney: I did
[14:34] <tkamppeter> seb128, I think I will try this and to allow further discussion and have a carrier for large log files I will open a bug. Do you have any idea to which package to assign and who to CC to the bug?
[14:54] <ricotz> hey desktopers :)
[14:55] <ricotz> I guess the vala packaging change in debian was noticed, I would be reasonable to sync this one early again -- https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/vala
[14:57] <Laney> it'll be done
[14:59] <ricotz> Laney, ok, but there were already gnome packages pushed which uses vala to build their bindings, e.g. gcr
[15:00] <ricotz> I mean vala should considered a part of the toolchain from the pov of gnome
[15:01] <Laney> is there an actual issue?
[15:04] <Laney> Package: gtk+3.0
[15:04] <Laney> Package-Time: 1034
[15:04] <Laney> Source-Version: 3.18.2-1ubuntu1
[15:04] <Laney> Space: 948872
[15:04] <Laney> Status: successful
[15:04] <Laney> Version: 3.18.2-1ubuntu1
[15:04]  * Laney giggles
[15:12] <ricotz> Laney, not in particular, but the packaging itself while starting to be restricted to one valac version in the archive again
[15:12] <Laney> indeed
[15:12] <Laney> we'll get it soon enough
[15:12] <ricotz> Laney, remember to push adwaita-icon-theme before gtk+
[15:13] <Laney> I aint pushing nothing yet
[15:13] <ricotz> ok
[15:14] <Laney> will probably put it in bzr and maybe the desktop ppa though
[15:14] <Laney> but am away for next week
[15:15] <Laney> attente: need new mir backend patch vs. 3.18 when you have the time BTW
[15:15] <Laney> please!
[15:16] <seb128> Laney, you are doing the gtk update this cycle? I asked larsu about it yesterday (but didn't get a reply)
[15:17] <seb128> hopefully not too many theme&co things to fix this time
[15:17] <Laney> just getting it building
[15:19] <larsu> \o/
[15:21] <Laney> wonder if they did any more weird stuff with file choosers
[15:22] <seb128> oh, right :-/
[15:28] <Laney> bah
[15:28] <Laney> forgot to disable pkgbinarymangler
[15:28] <Laney> this makes icon theme builds unfun
[15:29] <Laney> $ sudo cp /var/lib/schroot/chroots/{vivid,xenial}-amd64/etc/pkgbinarymangler/stripfiles.conf
[15:34] <tkamppeter> seb128, anz idea for mz last question_
[15:47] <seb128> tkamppeter, not really, I would open against cups for now
[15:52] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, I guess I can upload people.canonical.com/~bjoern/wily/5.0.2/libreoffice_5.0.2-0ubuntu2.dsc to xenial? doko just did a no change upload for python3, we can as well keep builders busy with content?
[15:53] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: for xenial? sure
[15:53] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, k
[15:54] <Laney> some theme stuff
[15:54] <Laney> but doesn't look too bad overall
[15:54] <Laney> didn't start a session with 3.18 yet though
[15:54] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: that builders statement sounds somewhat weird. Do we run into a risk of our builders getting bored and taking a hit on motivation?
[15:55] <tkamppeter> seb128, then it will stay my personal secret, if not CCing the right persons. Have you an idea who to CC?
[15:56] <seb128> tkamppeter, make it also affect canonical-devices-system-image
[15:56] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, well, that statement is just mine, I saw that doko did an upload and I didn't get to sponsor your update yet
[15:56] <seb128> so I figured out that I could as well do that
[15:56] <tkamppeter> seb128, will try. Thanks.
[15:56] <Laney> save some co2
[15:58] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, well I guess you would need to do a 0ubuntu3 to xenial since he took the version, can you do that easily?
[15:58] <seb128> if not let's forget about it
[15:59] <seb128> I could try but downloading unpackaging/repacking libreoffice here is probably doing to take a while and I might hit disk space issues I've less than 1G on that machine
[16:00] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: hmm, I still have a build running in the pbuilder/chroot I usually use for this ...
[16:00] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, don't worry, builder can work during the w.e, we can do another upload next week for the SRU/xenial
[16:01] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: my local build is almost finished. but Im already half on the way to the Hamburg Hackfest ...
[16:03] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, yeah, don't worry about that
[16:04] <seb128> in was in case it was easy
[16:04] <seb128> which it would have been if doko didn't use the same version as your ready-for-upload had
[16:05] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: kk
[16:21]  * pitti waves, have a nice weekend everyone!
[16:21] <Trevinho> larsu: have you read this https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2015/10/17/time-to-use-header-bars-in-unity/#comment-93  ?
[16:22] <seb128> pitti, thanks, you too!
[16:29]  * Sweet5hark1 says goodbye for the (Hackfest) weekend too now. (Well, might be around for a few more minutes, but anyway: have a good weekend everybody!)
[16:29] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, have fun!
[16:32] <tkamppeter> seb128, I have created bug 1509423 now.
[16:32] <seb128> tkamppeter, I saw, thanks
[16:37] <tkamppeter> Someone knows whether mpt is back working?
[16:37] <willcooke> tkamppeter, don't know, sorry.  Maybe JohnLea, but he's probably done for the week
[16:37] <willcooke> tkamppeter, I will find out next week
[16:38] <tkamppeter> willcooke, yes I forgot totally about looking after that and now Europe is down for the weekend already.
[16:38] <willcooke> tkamppeter, n
[16:39] <willcooke> tkamppeter, nw
[16:39] <tkamppeter> willcooke, we will talk about on our 1:1 on Wed.
[16:40] <willcooke> tkamppeter, sur
[16:40] <willcooke> e
[16:41] <seb128> have a good w.e everyone
[16:44] <willcooke> cheers seb
[16:44] <Laney> bye seb128!
[16:45] <Laney> see you in a week
[16:52] <seb128> Laney, thanks, have good holidays!
[16:52] <Laney> seb128: going to upload pango/gtk/the other thing to the ppa and push gtk
[16:52] <Laney> so you can play in the week
[16:53] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[16:53] <seb128> on that note calling it a week
[16:53] <seb128> bye
[16:54] <Laney> ttyl!
[16:59] <willcooke> I'm off too
[16:59] <willcooke> Have a great holiday Laney
[16:59] <willcooke> see y'all next week
[16:59] <Laney> ta!
[16:59] <Laney> larsu: i'll be in touch tomorrow ;-)
[17:10] <Laney> RIGHT
[17:10] <Laney> BYE!
[18:54] <xnox> Laney: i've noticed something that works so much better!
[18:54] <xnox> scrollbars


[06:45] <mdke_> DarkwingDuck: I don't know about UDS
[06:46] <mdke_> DarkwingDuck: lp:kubuntu-docs currently has 244 revisions
[06:48] <DarkwingDuck> mdke_: I got it figured out.
[06:49] <DarkwingDuck> also, I uploaded kubuntu for translation.
[06:49] <mdke_> DarkwingDuck: I figured you would have but wasn't quite sure how long ago you'd asked!
[06:49] <DarkwingDuck> mdke_: Yeah, it was a while. :) I'll be at Orlando, was thinking of hosting a Documentation session if someone was there to help me with Mallard and Ubuntu side.
[06:50] <mdke_> DarkwingDuck: not me but go ahead and ask on the mailing list in case others will be
[06:50] <DarkwingDuck> mdke_: Will do.
[06:50] <czajkowski> DarkwingDuck: go to bed
[06:50] <DarkwingDuck> Posting my laptop to craigslist unless you know someone who wants a mobile workstation. (Lenovo W700)
[06:50] <mdke_> hah
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> czajkowski: No.
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[06:51] <valorie> lol
[06:51] <czajkowski> DarkwingDuck: *mutters* kids these days
[06:51] <pleia2> is j1mc coming to UDS?
[06:52] <czajkowski> pleia2: you too!
[06:52] <pleia2> :)
[06:52] <czajkowski> pleia2: sent you a mail there from a UK contact looking to talk to someone from Uw and DW
[06:52] <mdke_> DarkwingDuck: I'm going to activate kubuntu-docs for translation on the upstream project, as that is what we do with ubuntu-docs; you then just need to update the pot file and commit to bzr, it will import it automatically without you needing to upload
[06:52] <czajkowski> you do both if not pass to someone else in UW and I'm giving a talk in London
[06:52] <pleia2> czajkowski: I saw, thanks, I might forward them on to someone else for DW but I'll see what they're interested in
[06:52] <czajkowski> right work
[06:52] <czajkowski> toodle pip folks
[06:53] <mdke_> cya czajkowski
[06:53] <DarkwingDuck> mdke_: Ahhh, mdke https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/kubuntu-docs like this?
[06:54] <mdke> DarkwingDuck: no, that's the kubuntu-docs package in the ubuntu project
[06:54] <mdke> DarkwingDuck: like this - https://translations.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/natty
[06:54] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhh
[06:54] <DarkwingDuck> Got ya.
[06:55] <DarkwingDuck> The pot files have been updated.
[06:55] <mdke> the oneiric series should be set up shortly I hope
[06:56]  * mdke also needs to rush off too, bye all
[06:56] <DarkwingDuck> ty
[06:59] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, posted. Now it's time for bed.
[07:00] <DarkwingDuck> night all.