[00:32] <orlando> boa noite
[00:32] <orlando> tem BR?
[00:43] <orlando> please
[00:43] <orlando> have channel BR?
[00:44] <krabbe> wat?
[00:44] <Unit193> !br
[00:47] <orlando> obrigado
[05:12] <IrcsomeBot3> gabgab86 was added by: gabgab86
 Hello good people! My name is Gabriel, and I joined this group because I'm having a problem in my kubuntu 18.04, maybe someone can find a solution, I've googled my problem, but I've found anything about it.
[05:17] <diogenes_> gabgab86, that's very mysterious problem, i've neve heard of
[05:18] <niccagenick> Googled? Never hear before
 When I delete a file located in an external unit (USB stick or external hdd) the deleted file is moved to the Trash found in ~/.local/shared/Trash instead of creating a new trash folder in my external unit. … I wouldn't have any problem if I had a normal HDD, but I own a SSD as my main disk. … Thanks in advance!!
 @niccagenick, Sorry, english is not my main language googled = search in google 😅
[05:26] <diogenes_> gabgab86, that's the expected normal behavior, if you wanna remove files permanently without sending them to trash, use shift+del.
 @diogenes_, So the .trash folder created in the root of the external unit is not created anymore?
[05:35] <diogenes_> gabgab86, all the files deleted on any external things attached to your pc, they go into your OS trashcan
 @diogenes_, Thank you!!!!
[05:36] <diogenes_> gabgab86, yw
[09:04] <smurfslover> Hi, i have a triple boot windows 10 + kubuntu + kde neon, after installing a kernel update in kubuntu it overwrote the grub bootloader in MBR
[09:05] <smurfslover> Now i can't find how to reinstall kde neon's grub, grub-install works and reports no errors but on reboot i'm stuck with kubuntu's grub again
[09:06] <diogenes_> smurfslover, sudo update-grub
[09:07] <smurfslover> yeah tried that and grub-install /dev/sda
[09:07] <smurfslover> seems to work but looks like kubuntu has it's grub locked in to the mbr (efi setup)
[09:08] <diogenes_> smurfslover, what do you get at grub when you boot the system? do you get windows too?
[09:08] <Elw3> efi? mbr?
[09:08] <smurfslover> EFI boot system, mbr is master boot record
[09:09] <Elw3> No i meant, to mdy understanding that wont work together.
[09:09] <Elw3> As efi uses a boot partition and mbr is above of that.
[09:10] <smurfslover> Elw3: so how do i get my kde neon grub back as default
[09:10] <smurfslover> after that worked i can remove and block grub in ubuntu
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:34] <jubo2> AAAAGHH!
[12:35] <BluesKaj> jubo2, what now?
[12:35] <jubo2> Added a new identity to Kmail with the Account Wizard but it does not show up where the accounts should be listed (the lefthand box in the main view)
[12:36] <jubo2> In Settings -> Configure Kmail -> Accounts it shows up just fine
[12:36] <jubo2> and the mailbox is being checked since I got a popup about the test email I sent to it
[12:37] <jubo2> But I find no way to make the account show up where the folders should be in a tree
[12:38] <BluesKaj> well, sorry I can't help with kmail, since I heven't used it since kde3
[12:41] <jubo2> Seems the Account Wizard is buggy
[12:41] <jubo2> What does one expect when one borrows Micro$oft lingo..
[12:42] <BluesKaj> how do you know it's MS lingo, they stole a lot from unix
[12:43] <jubo2> Yeah.. removing the account created by Account Wizard and manually recreating it had the desired outcome
[12:43] <jubo2> So the fix to the problem: "Do not use Account Wizard. Add accounts manually."
[12:44] <BluesKaj> some wizards are definitely not worth the trouble they can cause
[12:45] <BluesKaj> like the autopartitoning in ubunquity
[12:45] <BluesKaj> err ubiquity'
[15:02] <jubo2> AAAAGH! How difficult can it be to make outgoing email to be actually sent (Kmail issue)
[15:03] <jubo2> I'm trying with SMTP over encrypted connection with username and password but mail delivery just fails
[15:06] <jubo2> ok.. changing port from 25 to 465 did the trick
[15:06] <jubo2> the account creation wizard ought to have a "does not work very well"-note attached to it
[15:10] <jubo2> next problem.. how to choose the correct identity for email sending.. Currently the only way I see is to go to "settings -> configure Kmail -> identities" and to change which is the "default" identity but this is clunky like hell
[15:13] <jubo2> Will hang around in case someone knows how to conveniently select as which Kmail identity to compose the new email as
[15:48] <BluesKaj> jubo2, why not ask in #kde chat
[15:49] <jubo2> BluesKaj: good idea
[18:08] <uriel_> Good evening! Is there an official channel for KDE PIM support? Kontact & KMail specifically... Been struggling with my main email account for a while now
[20:23] <acheronuk> uriel_: looks like you found #kontact
[21:44] <IrcsomeBot3> GodwillB was added by: GodwillB


[00:00]  * LjL thanks nrrd
[00:08] <gnomefreak> low level troll?
[00:09] <gnomefreak> like shorter than a normal size troll?
[00:09] <LjL> gnomefreak: one with conditional branches and bitshifts and stuff
[00:09] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: yes
[00:09] <Seeker`> a troll that trolls in machine code?
[00:09] <Seeker`><PHONE_NUMBER>11110101011011000011011111
[00:20] <jdong> no0tic: can we help you?
[00:20] <no0tic> jdong, still triggering...
[00:30] <nalioth> overlords kittens
[00:30] <no0tic> ?
[00:31] <nalioth> no0tic: i'm a poet  :)
[00:31] <Pici> and you don't know it?
[00:32] <no0tic> it's a reprise? You've already written that before
[00:36] <nalioth> i'm building to a crescendo
[00:36] <nalioth> be patient
[00:36] <nalioth> :0
[00:49] <mneptok> he says that to all the girls
[00:51] <no0tic> mneptok, I don't know what you think.. but I'm not a beautiful girl..
[00:51] <mneptok> no0tic: you have time. and we have alcohol.
[00:52] <no0tic> mneptok, I don't think you'll like it
[00:52] <LjL> i could say the same to you
[00:54] <no0tic> uhm.. every single minute I spend in here I become a bit more scared
[00:55] <mneptok> don't worry. that feelings stops when you die.
[00:55] <no0tic> I'm confident
[00:55] <mneptok> :)
[00:56] <mneptok> with an answer like that, you'll be just fine
[00:56] <LjL> depending on your definition of "fine"
[01:00] <no0tic> I'm not sure that _you_ will be fine
[01:01] <no0tic> ok, I think this chat is going nowhere
[01:02] <mneptok> FIAT LUX!
[01:02] <no0tic> a new italian car model?
[01:02] <mneptok> Latin, sweetie.
[01:02] <mneptok> :)
[01:02] <LjL> that was old when i was born
[01:03] <Pici> They had cars when you were born?
[01:03] <LjL> they had commodore 64s when i was born
[01:04] <mneptok> there wasn't a computer smaller than a room when i was born :(
[01:04] <no0tic> I know, but evidently nobody in fiat ever thought about that
[01:04] <mc44> mneptok: weren't you at school with Charles Babbage?
[01:04] <LjL> no0tic: as idiotic as they might be, they probably realize it'd make a terrible pun.
[01:05] <mneptok> mc44: no. he was later. i graduated with Gotama Siddartha and Hammurabi
[01:05] <LjL> mc44: don't joke about babbage now, he's my favorite loser
[01:05] <no0tic> LjL, it could be the top level model
[01:06] <LjL> no0tic: it would break down every saturday
[01:07] <no0tic> LjL, I missed that
[01:07] <mneptok> i wonder if you could turn off the headlights ...
[01:08] <no0tic> mneptok, I think it would shine by its own light isotropically in space
[01:08] <LjL> no0tic: e si riposò nel settimo giorno
[01:08] <no0tic> LjL, subtle
[01:09] <mneptok> i just saw "LjL" and "subtle" together in a sentence. i can die happy.
[02:00] <Madpilot> bot attack in #u?
[02:00] <Tm_T> apparently
[02:00] <Dave2> LjL, some of them were registered.
[02:01] <Tm_T> hey
[02:01] <Dave2> most, in fact.
[02:01] <Pici> hm. That didnt set off any of my hilights.
[02:01] <Tm_T> anyone have oprights in +1 and -motu ?
[02:01] <nalioth> Tm_T: why do you ask?
[02:01] <Madpilot> dail soap? wtf?
[02:01] <Tm_T> nalioth: this hoora46 [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-c3c5a358d3a38d4b]
[02:01] <Madpilot> dial, even
[02:02] <nalioth> Tm_T: if it's the same guy in #ubuntu, they're taken care of
[02:02] <LjL> Dave2: yeah i've been an idiot, i should have set +m right away not +r
[02:02] <Tm_T> nalioth: he is one of those random idlers behind tor
[02:02] <LjL> but when i send the +m command it was too late, i was already been flooded
[02:03] <Tm_T> nalioth: "they're taken care of" ?
[02:03] <LjL> i wonder 1) who "yacc" is 2) why he *always* joins -unregged
[02:03] <nalioth> Tm_T: all the bots/zombies/whatever took the k-train
[02:03] <Pici> I'm guessing a healthy dose of vitamin K-line
[02:03] <Tm_T> nalioth: hmm
[02:04] <Tm_T> if I see those, what should I do?
[02:04] <Tm_T> ban? remove? leave alone?
[02:04] <LjL> nalioth: gone, uh
[02:05] <nalioth> LjL: unfortunately, we can only kline 'em as we see 'em
[02:06] <nalioth> i DO wish i were prescient, cuz i'd have already won every lottery in the USA
[02:10] <Tm_T> er
[02:11] <Tm_T> hum
[02:11] <Tm_T> hum er hum
[02:11] <Pici> bah, humbug
[02:13] <Tm_T> nalioth: no, I believe we are talking about different bot issue then if you claim them being klined
[02:15] <Tm_T> good morning Hobbsee
[02:16] <Hobbsee> heya Tm_T!
[02:16] <jdong> no0tic: can we help you?
[02:16] <LjL> is "rowan" known?
[02:17] <Tm_T> no0tic: topic?
[02:17] <Pici> I dont know him.
[02:17] <Tm_T> LjL: who is he?
[02:17] <no0tic> er..
[02:17]  * no0tic is an -it op :D
[02:17] <Pici> Then again, I don't usually hang out in #ubuntu in the evening (US east coast) time.
[02:17] <Tm_T> no0tic: too late =)
[02:17] <LjL> [03:17:42] --> Rprp has joined this channel (n=Rprp@cc763024-b.groni1.gr.home.nl).
[02:18] <LjL> this is a troll's nickname
[02:18] <no0tic> Tm_T, my automessage_on_join_#ubuntu-ops plugin doens't work
[02:18] <Tm_T> :(
[02:19] <no0tic> I'm not able to catch the "join" event
[02:19] <Pici> Why not try catching the <jdong> no0tic: can we help you?
[02:19] <Tm_T> Pici: thats too late
[02:20] <no0tic> Pici, it could be simpler, but I want something jdong independent
[02:20] <Pici> dont we all..
[02:21] <Pici> I don't really know what that means. *shrug*
[02:21] <Hobbsee> LjL: indeed.
[04:34] <Tm_T> :(
[06:54] <stdin> Joshuaxiong1 needs a kb imo (#ubuntu)
[06:54] <ubotu> stdin called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:55] <Madpilot> already gone
[06:55] <stdin> wasn't what I first said it ;)
[06:56] <Madpilot> I just set a ban to stop that idiot, but it's kind of a crude wide ban - don't keep it up long
[06:57] <Madpilot> cool, now I'm being taunted by PM
[06:57] <Madpilot> idiot
[06:58] <Madpilot> !staff
[06:58] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[06:58] <stdin> that's what /ignore was made for, and k-lines
[06:58] <Madpilot> Joshuaxiong1 needs a kline
[06:59] <Madpilot> massive attempted PM & DCC spam on me, now that he can't get to #u
[07:03] <Madpilot> three DCC spam attacks on me now. thankfully my irc client has always been immune to that crap
[07:06] <Madpilot> need sleep. night all, have fun with the trolls.
[07:16] <GNine> i still do not understand your reason for banning me from -offtopic for saying "monoamine oxidase" which is a naturally occurring brain enzyme. moa42 should have been banned the second he/she suggested i should go "kill myself".  yet your course of action was entirely different. now, is there a time limit to this "ban" directive?
[07:18] <Tm_T> uhm
[07:20] <GNine> is that an acronym ?
[07:20] <Tm_T> no
[07:22] <GNine> "can you do un-bannings" or just like in vampire lore it has to be undone by the same op that issued it
[07:25] <GNine> so no one cares.. good.. i thought someone might get curious as to what am i talking about ..
[07:27] <GNine> i like the sound of white noise.. makes me sleepy..  like rain
[07:27] <Tm_T> GNine: ummm, just to help you there...
[07:27] <Tm_T> you're not helping yourself with that attitude
[07:28] <GNine> i like being creative when i type .. attitude is to be interpreted ..
[07:28] <Tm_T> yes yes
[07:29] <Tm_T> !patience | GNine
[07:29] <ubotu> GNine: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:30] <GNine> well.. i assumed that (...) was for technical enchilada .. this is hardly the case..  but ok..
[07:31] <GNine> heh
[07:41] <jussi01> Morning all.
[07:46] <Tm_T> is AM_3 etc some known ?
[08:40] <jdong> no0tic: can we help you?
[08:41]  * no0tic is... well the same as yesterday
[08:45] <jussi01> no0tic: you are op in -it yes?
[08:45] <no0tic> jussi01, yes :)
[09:43] <Tm_T> :(
[10:08] <ubotu> In ubotu, ebrahim said: !Utnubu is a subproject of the Debian Project. One of Ubuntu's activities is frequently copying packages from Debian to Ubuntu. See http://wiki.debian.org/Utnubu
[10:09] <ebrahim> Hi all! Got my suggestion to add Utnubu?
[10:14] <Mez> @time boston
[10:27] <Vorian> 6:27am In Boston
[10:28]  * Seeker` wonders if Vorian has become a bot :P
[10:29] <Vorian> on a very laggy connection :D
[10:34] <Tm_T> what, Vorian isnt a bot?!
[10:35]  * TheSheep pokes Vorian
[10:35] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: what suggestion?
[10:35] <Tm_T> ebrahim: I mean
[10:35]  * Tm_T hides
[10:35] <TheSheep> *toc* *toc*
[10:36] <Vorian> :)
[10:38] <ebrahim>  !Utnubu is a subproject of the Debian Project. One of Ubuntu's activities is frequently copying packages from Debian to Ubuntu. See http://wiki.debian.org/Utnubu
[10:38] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, ebrahim said:  !Utnubu is a subproject of the Debian Project. One of Ubuntu's activities is frequently copying packages from Debian to Ubuntu. See http://wiki.debian.org/Utnubu
[10:39] <ebrahim> Tm_T, OK?
[10:40] <Tm_T> I see
[10:41] <ebrahim>  !Utnubu is a subproject of the Debian Project. One of Ubuntu's activities is frequently copying packages from Debian to Ubuntu. Well, Utnubu is about the reverse, copying packages from Ubuntu to Debian. See http://wiki.debian.org/Utnubu
[10:41] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, ebrahim said:  !Utnubu is a subproject of the Debian Project. One of Ubuntu's activities is frequently copying packages from Debian to Ubuntu. Well, Utnubu is about the reverse, copying packages from Ubuntu to Debian. See http://wiki.debian.org/Utnubu
[11:25] <jdong> no0tic: can we help you?
[11:26] <no0tic> er..
[11:35] <jdong> no0tic: can we help you?
[11:35] <Hobbsee> he's an op
[11:35] <Pici> an -t op
[11:42] <jdong> no0tic: can we help you?
[11:42] <no0tic> sorry.. wifi problems here in university..
[12:13] <Hobbsee> any xchat gurus here?
[12:18] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, I'm an xchat user.....?
[12:19] <Hobbsee_> PriceChild, that probably works
[12:19] <Hobbsee_> #1:  why can i only make a picture for the text window only - ont the userlist, or the channel list?
[12:20] <PriceChild> Could you rephrase the question? :)
[12:20] <PriceChild> I haven't a clue what picture you're making :/
[12:21] <Hobbsee_> try to put a picture as the background for xchat
[12:21] <Hobbsee_> it only does the text window
[12:22] <PriceChild> aha...
[12:22] <PriceChild> well that's what it says it'll do :P
[12:22] <Hobbsee_> how do i make one take over the entire window?
[12:22] <PriceChild> I haven't a clue sorry.
[12:23] <Hobbsee_> :(
[12:23] <PriceChild> why are you wanting to set a picture?
[12:23] <Hobbsee_> because white is boring?
[12:24] <Hobbsee_> well, grey, as it were
[12:24] <PriceChild> cracky kde user....
[12:24] <Hobbsee_> heh
[12:24] <PriceChild> You could run compiz and do alt+scrollwheel :P
[12:25] <Hobbsee_> that's true
[12:25] <Hobbsee_> at least i've stopped it from sorting alphabetically now
[12:25] <PriceChild> What's sorting alphabetically? the channel list?
[12:25] <Hobbsee_> yes
[12:25] <PriceChild> gah i'd get lost if i didn't do that
[12:26] <Hobbsee_> oh, urgh
[12:26] <Hobbsee_> you guys dont allow searching of the banlist, either
[12:26] <PriceChild> Hobbsee_, /cs bans nick is your friend
[12:26] <Hobbsee_> BOFH excuse #47: Complete Transient Lockout
[12:26]  * Hobbsee_ slaps PriceChild  around a bit with BOFH excuse #67: descramble code needed from software company
[12:26] <PriceChild> how rude :(
[12:27] <Hobbsee_> i group my channels, and know the order.
[12:28] <Hobbsee_> oh, #2, how do you make the channel topic wider?
[12:29] <Hobbsee_> so you can actually read it all?
[12:29] <Hobbsee_> doesnt appear to be click-n-drag'able.
[12:30] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, hover the mouse over it, it'll come up in a tooltip
[12:30] <Hobbsee_> ah, so you cant actually force it to be shown, all the time
[12:31] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, probably is a way, i've never cared enough
[12:31] <PriceChild> plus you get to see if when you enter the channel
[12:31] <Jucato> Hobbsee_: trying to migrate to xchat as well? :D
[12:31] <Hobbsee_> Jucato, possibly.  knotify keeps taking ages to start.
[12:31] <Hobbsee_> Jucato, it still has a lot of work to go, to get it up to konvi-level, though.
[12:31] <Hobbsee_> even with scripts
[12:31] <Jucato> hm... that shouldn't happen... :/
[12:32] <Jucato> (knotify, not you switching :P)
[12:32] <Hobbsee_> i suspect it's because it hasnt preloaded or anything
[12:32] <Hobbsee_> it's probably ~5 seconds
[12:32] <Jucato> ah
[12:32] <Jucato> probably, if konvi is the first KDE app you try to start from a fresh session
[12:33] <Hobbsee_> yes
[12:35] <Hobbsee> ah well
[12:36] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, what is missing that is not a superfici... err...
[12:36] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: :)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: some of it is very useful
[12:36] <elkbuntu> i quite like the tooltip, means i dont lose screen realestate to huge topics
[12:36] <Hobbsee> but i forget, you people like simple programs, where there is no customisations :)
[12:37] <Hobbsee> i'm finding large amounts of real estate loss due to the left panel channel names - how they're indented
[12:37] <elkbuntu> yeah, the indenting is a new .. feature
[12:38] <Hobbsee> right
[12:39] <elkbuntu> but the log snippits in dialogs was a hopworthy addition
[12:39] <Hobbsee> oh, the last part of the proceeding conversation?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's useful
[12:42] <elkbuntu> yeah
[12:46] <Daviey> PriceChild: has Ubuntu Demon shifted his dates again?
[12:47] <PriceChild> ypu
[12:48] <Daviey> 'ave a word :)
[12:49]  * Hobbsee is getting sick of this laptop bug.
[12:58]  * jussi01 is getting sick of having a beautiful 22" screen here with no picture on it... :(
[13:11] <Mez> Jono wants the IRC team to phone the people who bitch and moan?
[13:12] <Hobbsee> what?
[13:13] <elkbirthday> eh?
[13:14] <elkbirthday> Mez, where the heck did you get that from?
[13:14] <Mez> elkbirthday, misunderstanding ;)
[13:15] <Mez> was confused a lol
[13:15] <Mez> lil *
[14:07] <elkbirthday> guys, when jimmydee goes on about being 'feisty', he *is* using it as an euphemism in a trollish way. he's been warned and persists in using it...
[14:17] <jussi01> Happy birthday elkbirthday!
[14:17] <popey> 11:54:10 <+Daviey> PriceChild: has Ubuntu Demon shifted his dates again?
[14:17] <popey> it's because planet ubuntu uses the modified date to sort entries
[14:18] <popey> and when ubuntu demon updates his blog with new links to bugs etc, it updates the date stamp
[14:18] <popey> file abug with keybuk on planet
[14:18] <Daviey> popey: Ahhh.. remember i told you that i tried to fudge one and it didn't work.. I changed the "Created" date - not modified.. maybe it's that ?
[14:18] <popey> yes
[14:18] <popey> it has been discussed here a few times
[14:19] <popey> here == boston
[14:19] <Daviey> don't rub it in..
[14:19] <Daviey> :)
[14:19] <popey> here == boston where you aren;t
[14:19] <Daviey> heh
[14:20]  * popey ponders what session to attend next
[14:20] <popey> ahh, excellent this room has loco stuff in next
[14:24] <mattva01> excuse me, but is there any way to find out why my ip range was banned from #ubuntu
[14:25] <LjL> mattva01: i can try
[14:25] <LjL> mattva01: ah yes.
[14:25] <LjL> mattva01: actually it's your very hostname that was banned
[14:25] <LjL> mattva01: is there multiple people connected from that hostname? (not *range*, the very same IP)
[14:26] <mattva01> yes
[14:26] <mattva01> hmm strange
[14:26] <mattva01> we are a school
[14:27] <mattva01> so I wonder if someone was trolling or something
[14:27] <LjL> mattva01: i banned an abusive user from that IP just yesterday... and another user too, because i assumed it was the same person
[14:27] <LjL> the latter was also in #ubuntu-dc, i suppose that's not hard to explain if it's a school there
[14:27] <mattva01> is it possible to get the name of the user?
[14:27] <LjL> mattva01: yes, a minute
[14:28] <LjL> mattva01: sthiyaga is the user, it happened like this
[14:29] <mattva01> ah
[14:29] <LjL> *** sthiyaga has joined #ubuntu     <sthiyaga> how do i control another computer in a server <sthiyaga> the same server [nobody replied for a minute or so, guess he got upset] <sthiyaga> don't be gay <LjL> !language <sthiyaga> sorry <sthiyaga> so if i have administrative rights on a server how do i control another computer with a different computer
[14:30] <LjL> and then they went on spamming that last message 6 other times, hence the ban
[14:30] <mattva01> I understand
[14:30] <LjL> i'll remove it and replace it with a ban on the nickname
[14:30] <ubotu> In ubotu, Pici said: resetpanel is <reply> To reset the GNOME panels back to their defaults, delete ~/.gconf/apps/panel/ , log out, then back in.
[14:30] <Pici> ..
[14:31] <mattva01> thanks,he is now being disciplined
[14:33] <LjL> mattva01: please bring my apologies to ShortShorts as well if you can, as i kicked them thinking it was the same user
[14:33] <mattva01> ok , no problem
[14:34] <mattva01> yeah , sthiyaga is a student in our beginner cs class
[14:34] <mattva01> well thanks
[14:34] <mattva01> exit
[14:35] <LjL> i suggest that he follows the class on network attacks, specifically about denial of service ;)
[14:35] <mattva01> heh
[14:36] <LjL> (the command is /quite to leave the whole network, and /part to leave just the channel, by the way)
[14:36] <LjL> err, /quit, not quite /quite
[14:37] <mattva01> heh,I have not used xchat in a while ,and missed the slash
[14:37] <mattva01> well i'll just deny him irc access in the future
[14:37] <mattva01> thanks again
[14:38] <LjL> hm poor guy, i didn't really want him to be blocked from irc :P
[14:38] <LjL> though i guess it won't hurt irc
[14:47] <PriceChild> YAY I've got evolution syncing my calendar to my ipod.
[15:47] <ompaul> anyone home?
[15:47] <ompaul> PriceChild: ?
[15:48] <PriceChild> for 60 seconds yes
[15:49] <ompaul> PriceChild: if you see a[*** leaving -offtopic or #ubuntu please forward them to somewhere that is not a ubuntu channel of normal use so they can join and part as they wish
[15:49] <ompaul> they seem to have conneciton problems
[15:49] <ompaul> I am not on my usual client
[15:49] <ompaul> so no powers
[15:49] <ompaul> etc
[15:49] <PriceChild> I have to run in a second...
[15:49] <PriceChild> *pokes thoreauputic*
[15:49] <ompaul> okay - lets see if we have anyone else :)
[15:49] <Pici> I'm around.
[15:50] <ompaul> Pici: can you do #uibuntu?
[15:50]  * thoreauputic pokes back
[15:50] <thoreauputic> PriceChild: ?
[15:50] <Pici> ompaul: no, but I can do #ubuntu
[15:50] <ompaul> heh
[15:50] <PriceChild> thoreauputic, was about omp.aul above
[15:50] <ompaul> Pici: can you check that guy out
[15:50] <ompaul> I think he has had a connection issue for a while now
[15:51] <ompaul> okay back to work
[15:51] <Pici> I guess I could toss him to #ubuntu-read-topic
[15:51] <ompaul> ehh it is not great
[15:51] <Pici> hmm
[15:51] <ompaul> we should get a fix your connection channel :)
[15:51] <Pici> I'll send him a PM and ban then.  I'll stick a note on the tracker.
[15:51] <ompaul> thanks
[15:52] <ompaul> he is in -offtopic and ubuntu afik
[15:52] <ompaul> or was when I last looked
[15:52] <ompaul> cheers
[15:52] <ompaul> got to run
[15:52] <ompaul> actually yeah -read-topic is good
[15:52] <ompaul> we could use that channel a bit better
[15:52] <ompaul> cheers
[16:01] <a[2121]e> :)
[16:01] <a[2121]e> hello Pici
[16:01] <Pici> are you going to keep logging in and out?
[16:01] <Pici> Or are you all set now?
[16:02] <a[2121]e> already i set
[16:02] <Pici> Okay. I'll unban then.
[16:02] <a[2121]e> ok thx pici
[16:03] <a[2121]e> im so sorry about that
[16:03] <Pici> No problem :)
[16:03] <a[2121]e> Pici, asl pls
[16:03] <Pici> a[2121]e: No reason for you to need that info.
[16:04] <a[2121]e> jajajajaja
[16:04] <a[2121]e> so what irc u use
[16:04] <a[2121]e> why many irc i found at ubuntu??
[16:04] <Pici> irssi, but this isnt a chatting/support channel. This is for operator issues only.  See topic.
[16:05] <a[2121]e> with ubuntu... can i play GTA game same im play at windows?? :0
[16:06] <Pici> a[2121]e: like I said, this isnt a support channel, please ask in #ubuntu :)
[16:07] <a[2121]e> oh damn.. wrg channel
[16:07] <a[2121]e> lol
[16:08] <Tm_T> oh my...
[16:08] <Pici> oh my indeed.
[16:13] <jdong> no0tic: can we help you?
[16:14]  * Pici is getting tired of that trigger
[16:14] <no0tic> elkbirthday, happy birthday
[16:14] <Pici> Did I say Happy Birthday yet? if not... Happy Birthday!
[16:16] <Tm_T> happy today!
[16:27] <Hobbsee> happy birthday elky!
[16:28] <gnomefre1k> Seveas: did you ever contact that guy (not sure of name but its related to webboard posting to the pastebin)?
[16:30] <gnomefreak> happy birthday elkbirthday
[16:43] <Tm_T> a[2121]e: something we can help you with?
[16:54] <a[2121]e> no Tm_T.... have no idea for askin...
[16:54]  * a[2121]e newbie ubuntu
[16:56] <Tm_T> a[2121]e: feel free to leave this channel if no further assistance needed :)
[17:03] <a[2121]e> jejejeje :)
[17:15] <mneptok> elkbuntu's birthday?
[17:16] <no0tic> what's the policy with tor users?
[17:17] <thoreauputic>                                                          _        _
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[17:17] <nalioth> no0tic: what policy?
[17:17] <thoreauputic>                                                   |_|
[17:17] <jdong> thoreauputic: aaah wrap it at 60 lines kthxbye
[17:17] <thoreauputic> jdong: heh
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[17:18] <Tm_T> no0tic: banforward to #ubuntu-proxy-users perhaps?
[17:18] <Tm_T> if needed that is
[17:19] <nalioth> no0tic: in #ubuntu and some of the other larger *buntu* channels, tor and other proxy users are banforwarded to #ubuntu-proxy-users
[17:19] <no0tic> ok
[17:20] <no0tic> thanks
[18:02] <jdong> no0tic: can we help you?
[18:02] <no0tic> grr
[18:03] <PriceChild> Hmmm I'm unsure whether jdong is a bot because of this automated reply he has.... lets remove/ban him as unauthorised bots are not allowed, and clear it up later.
[18:04] <PriceChild> While I'm at it... bots aren't allowed cloaks either 8-)
[18:04]  * Seveas removes PriceChild
[18:05] <PriceChild> Hey Seveas :)
[18:05] <Seveas> heya
[18:08]  * nalioth initiates his random number generator to find out who gets kickbanned.  PriceChild gets assigned slot 1 though 99.
[18:08] <nalioth> jdong: it's not so funny any more  :|
[18:08] <PriceChild> What'd I do :'(
[18:11] <no0tic> definitely
[18:40] <ompaul> Pici, ??
[18:41] <Pici> ompaul: the reconnecting guy?
[18:41] <ompaul> aye
[18:41] <Pici> Turns out he was doing it on purpose because 'he was testing out different clients'
[18:41] <ompaul> idiot
[18:42] <Pici> And then when he came in here to be unbanned he starting asking questions like  <a[2121]e> Pici, asl pls
[18:42] <ompaul> yeah lets see what it looks like
[18:42] <ompaul> hehe
[18:42]  * ompaul rofl
[18:42] <ompaul> that is stupid in the main
[18:42] <TheSheep> there should be #ubuntu-pink ;)
[18:43]  * ompaul looks at TheSheep
[18:43] <Pici> TheSheep: And what would be the purpose of that channel?
[18:43] <ompaul> Pici, for showing off pink desktops I would assume
[18:43] <TheSheep> Pici: general lolling, I guess
[18:43] <Pici> TheSheep: I thought thats what #ubuntuforums was for
[18:43]  * TheSheep contemplates his toes
[18:43] <ompaul> TheSheep, we don't do general lolling we do actual lolz
[18:44] <Pici> Epic Lulz
[18:44] <Seveas> Pici, asl?
[18:44] <Pici> !coc-jbj | Seveas
[18:44] <ubotu> Seveas: a/s/l?
[18:44] <Seveas> LOL
[18:44] <Seveas> I already forgot that one
[18:45] <ompaul> !coc-jbj
[18:45] <ubotu> a/s/l?
[18:45] <ompaul> ahh
[18:45]  * ompaul grimaces
[18:45]  * TheSheep blinks
[19:01] <ubotu> In ubotu, stdin said: !no build-essential is <alias> compiling
[19:01] <stdin> someone want to add that?
[19:01] <Pici> It already is?
[19:02] <Pici> !-build-essential
[19:02] <ubotu> build-essential is <alias> compiling - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 17:36:56
[19:02] <stdin> how come that didn't work in #k ?
[19:02] <Pici> It should.
[19:02] <Seveas> !build-essential-#kubuntu
 Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[19:03] <stdin> ah, he put "essensial" not "essential" ;p
[19:17] <jdong> nalioth: oops just saw it, forgot about having it in, removing it promptly.
[19:34] <PriceChild> Pici, I saw that!
[20:47] <ubotu> bruenig called the ops in #ubuntu
[20:47] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu
[20:47] <ubotu> peeps[work] called the ops in #ubuntu
[21:26] <Tm_T> ummmm
[21:27] <Tm_T> I'm going to take some weeks off from IRC, too much noise to me in this condition
[21:29] <ompaul> I found it useful to remove the client from the menu / the path for while
[21:29] <ompaul> it allowed me do some work I needed to
[21:36] <jdong> ompaul: removing the client is extremely important towards getting off IRC
[21:36] <jdong> as is locking sudo access
[21:37] <jdong> I find that unfortunately neither works for me :(
[21:37] <ompaul> :)
[21:37] <jdong> I might need you guys to kline me when final exam season comes ;-)
[21:37] <Seveas> jdong, we could get you a K-line
[21:37] <Seveas> lol
[21:37] <jdong> Seveas: one step ahead :)
[21:40]  * nalioth opens his briefcase.  A light shines out and illuminates his face.
[21:40] <nalioth> we could do worse than a kline, jdong
[21:40] <nalioth> muwahahahahaha
[21:40] <jdong> :)
[21:40] <kbrooks> um, there's a !u factoid. why?
[21:40] <jdong> nalioth: I'll probably need the worst you got to encourage me to study :)
[21:41] <Seveas> kbrooks, because people use 'u' 'r' etc. instead of speaking english
[21:42] <jdong> is there an !i factoid for Mac users? :)
[21:42]  * jdong just had a rush of bad therapy memories fly by.....
[21:43] <jdong> "!i is When expressing dissatisfaction, please try using I feeling words rather than You accusing words"
[21:43] <jdong> muahahaha
[21:43] <kbrooks> Seveas, okay, but how do we discourage other people from using it? sorry if i look dumb asking that kind of question in here
[21:46] <mneptok> iBrator
[21:51] <PriceChild> kbrooks, I'm confused... how do we discourage other people from using it?
[21:51] <PriceChild> shh now mneptok
[21:51] <nalioth> kbrooks: u r da BOMB, man!
[21:51] <ompaul> !l33t | nalioth
[21:51] <ubotu> nalioth: 1337 i5 nigh-inc0mpr3h3n5ib13 70 u5 n00bs, 4nd n0b0dy c4r35 if UR 4 1337 h4x0r. Giv3 i7 4 r357.
[21:51] <nalioth> kbrooks: u r da k00lz0r
[21:52] <kbrooks> *laugh* nalioth: thx ;-)
[21:52] <nalioth> kbrooks: it's not a standard part of english, and it's irritating
[21:52] <kbrooks> oh right
[21:52] <nalioth> this is not AOL.
[21:53] <PriceChild> *is still confused about kbrooks' latest question*
[21:54] <jdong> yeah, discourage people from using "u" in sentences or abusing the !u factoid?
[21:55] <kbrooks> jdong, former
[21:55] <jdong> kbrooks: meh, give them the factoid once and hope they stop?
[21:55] <jdong> kbrooks: what else can we do without electrodes?
[21:55] <kbrooks> jdong, and if they don't? (true that)
[21:56] <Seveas> kbrooks, we kill them
[21:56] <jdong> kbrooks: can't say we didn't warn them, then :)
[21:56] <mneptok> 3Y3  4M  7}{3  1337  84D455  7}{47'5  74|<1|\|'  U|2  5}{IZZ0|2(}{  |)0\/\/|\|  !!!!!ONE!11!!!one111
[21:56] <kbrooks> kk ty ;-) byeeeeeeeeee now.
[21:57] <kbrooks> mneptok, i only got "i am the elite bad***"
[21:57] <mneptok> "eye am the l33t badass that's takin' ur shizzorch down"
[21:57] <Pici> Thats takin you to schizzol2h down
[21:58] <Pici> That doesnt even make sense
[21:58] <mneptok> precisely
[21:58] <mneptok> it makes it more authentic
[21:58] <kbrooks> lol
[21:58] <ompaul> mneptok, we knew you cared :)
[21:59]  * mneptok purrs gently
[21:59] <kbrooks> we are so "leet"...<suspense>... but seriously, who cares?
[21:59] <ompaul> kbrooks, perhaps, now you perceive that "l33t" speak is rather, petty, and does not communicate the inner workings of a kernel rather well?
[22:00] <ompaul> or for that matter python.language
[22:00] <mneptok> kbrooks: my girlfriend cares
[22:00] <Seveas> ompaul,<PHONE_NUMBER>1001010010010010100010101001010101010100101010010101010001000101010101111101010110101001001
[22:00] <PriceChild> mneptok, don't kid yourself
[22:00] <kbrooks> ompaul, lol, python is not petty
[22:00] <mneptok> kbrooks: when i use 1337, she's all "135814|\|15|\/|  f0 |21`/  !!11!!!"
[22:00] <ompaul> kbrooks, the irony was the use of python.<<<
[22:01] <kbrooks> mneptok, lol
[22:02] <PriceChild> lol
[22:04] <ompaul> Seveas, I could say:<PHONE_NUMBER>011010010101101001101010111101011011101011101 but I won't ;-)
[22:04] <Seveas> ompaul, you wouldn't dare...
[22:04] <ompaul> I would
[22:04] <ompaul> Seveas,<PHONE_NUMBER>011010010101101001101010111101011011101011101
[22:05] <PriceChild> how dare he
[22:05] <ompaul> perhaps
[22:05]  * ompaul actions the conversation
[22:05]  * ompaul coughs
[22:06] <Seveas> now that's truly<PHONE_NUMBER>010101001010101001010101001010101001010101001010010010101010011010010100010101001010010101010
[22:06] <ompaul> Seveas, you are only saying that cos it is Wednesday tomorrow
[22:07] <Seveas> true
[22:07] <ompaul> see
[22:07] <ompaul> as I said it, so it was
[22:10] <mneptok> 01100001 01101110 01110101 01110011
[22:11] <ompaul> whats with the spaces, you registering something there mneptok? ;-)
[22:11] <mneptok> it's so you can insert stuff in it
[22:12] <ompaul> ahh k
[22:23] <Seeker`> These segfaults are giving me a headache
[22:23] <Seeker`> :(
[22:27] <jdong> Seeker`: what do you get when an earthworm develops a genetic mutation in the production of annuli?
[22:27] <jdong> ok, that was an awful bionerd joke.
[22:27] <jdong> forgive me, world.
[22:28] <Pici> I have a bad feeling about this
[22:28] <jdong> Pici: a segmentation fault!
[22:29] <jdong> people who get that joke without googling should probably do my bio homework for me.
[22:29] <Pici> A null... something
[22:34] <Seeker`> it wont let me free some memory, but valgrind complains that there is unfreed memory
[22:50] <unagi> hello
[22:51] <ompaul> evening
[22:51] <unagi> how are you
[22:52] <ompaul> couldn't be better
[22:52] <unagi> glad to hear
[22:52] <nalioth> something we can help you with, unagi ?
[22:53] <unagi> well the powers at be that have the quarrel with me dont seem to be speaking but i suppose im here to ask yet again for my bans in ubuntu and ubuntu-offtopic to be lifted
[22:54] <ompaul> how did you find yourself banned in both of those channels?
[22:55] <unagi> im not completely sure why i was banned in ubuntu........but in offtopic there was a major misunderstanding and my attempt to explain was dubbed trolling
[22:55] <nalioth> unagi: they'll be lifted when they're lifted.
[22:55] <nalioth> most bans don't last more than 24 hours
[22:55] <unagi> i admit that in the midst of the confusion i did state that if i was banned id be able to come back and finish my explaination
[22:55] <nalioth> folks that keep reminding us, we seem to remember why we banned 'em longer
[22:55] <unagi> obviously i was wrong
[22:55] <unagi> well the problem nalioth is if i were initially banned for a just reason i wouldnt be here asking for it to be lifted
[22:56] <nalioth> unagi: unfortunately, _nobody_ feels their ban was 'just'.
[22:56] <LjL> unagi, didn't we already have this discussion yesterday? you were banned from #ubuntu on October 19, that ban was never lifted, that ban was legitimate, so you were ban evading. what's the point of discussing anything else?
[22:56] <unagi> the ban evasion wouldnt have happened if i wasnt initially banned for an unjust reason
[22:57] <unagi> i was banned for 'objectifying women' when the comment wasnt meant to signify that
[22:57] <LjL> unagi: you're talking about the -offtopic ban, aren't you?
[22:57] <unagi> yes
[22:57] <LjL> well, i'm not talking about that.
[22:57] <LjL> i'm talking about the #ubuntu ban of October 19.
[22:57] <unagi> i dont know what that ban was for
[22:58] <LjL> you don't? weird, as you were repeatedly kicked before being finally banned, that day
[22:58] <PriceChild> By the way unagi was banned from here last night... however he's on a radically different hostname so it isn't affecting him...
[22:58] <unagi> so the ban here wasnt lifted?
[22:58] <PriceChild> No.
[22:58] <unagi> thats the problem i have no way of knowing
[22:58] <unagi> im not trying and never was trying to cause a problem
[22:58] <LjL> you have no way of knowing which ISP you're connecting to? seriously?
[22:59] <unagi> seriously...
[22:59] <unagi> i work in hawaii on a cruise ship.......so i dont have my own internet
[22:59] <unagi> i have my phone which changes ip addresses and public wifi.....which is rarely the same
[22:59] <ompaul> well I request you leave
[22:59] <ompaul> given your other ban was not removed
[22:59]  * gnomefreak thinks we can "fix" this
[22:59] <unagi> will the ban ever be lifted?
[22:59] <unagi> please dont....im not trying to cause a problem
[23:00] <PriceChild> unagi, I don't believe you.... you've repeatedly refused to accept any responsibility, denying everything we have accused you of... and you keep coming back.
[23:00] <ompaul> unagi, I asked
[23:00] <nalioth> unagi: every time i've seen you in here, you have not once articulated why your ban(s) were unwarranted.
[23:00] <gnomefreak> ompaul: that was nice of you ;)
[23:01] <ompaul> folks I did ask
[23:01] <ompaul> now I action it
[23:01] <unagi> because when i try nalitoth im banned in the middle of the explaination
[23:01] <unagi> like now
[23:01] <PriceChild> unagi, you really aren't.
[23:01] <gnomefreak> damn
[23:01] <jdong> look at the lart action
[23:01]  * jdong STILL thinks lart needs an ircatwork ban
[23:01]  * gnomefreak wonders why my script doesnt do that
[23:02] <ompaul> jdong, you can do it any time you like
[23:02] <jdong> Seveas: ^^ pretty please with aspartame and dextrose on top?
[23:02] <PriceChild> He's had so much of our time.
[23:03] <ompaul> well he is looking for my time now
[23:04] <nalioth> ah, great ompaul
[23:04] <nalioth> now he's bugging me in PM
[23:05] <ompaul> nalioth, he has been bugging all ops in pm
[23:05] <ompaul> so it appears
[23:05] <LjL> hasn't bugged me in pm yet
[23:05] <gnomefreak> not me yet and no thats not an invite
[23:05] <nalioth> LjL: i can send him your way <EG>
[23:05] <LjL> nalioth: see gnomefreak above
[23:06]  * gnomefreak looking into irssi (they lied summer of 2006) and im hoping that false
[23:06] <nalioth> i can send him to both you  <EG>
[23:06] <LjL> i
[23:06] <Seeker`> gnomefreak: huh?
[23:06] <ompaul> nalioth, he got a very short lecture from me on ban evasion = the most silly thing you can do
[23:07] <LjL> i'll tell him we'd all be glad to unban him but nalioth is so strongly against it
[23:07] <ompaul> tell him to check it ou
[23:07] <ompaul> out
[23:07] <ompaul> hehe
[23:07] <ompaul> LjL, you are evil
[23:07] <gnomefreak> Seeker`: during 2006 summer of code* they stated they were going to add python support to irssi
[23:07] <LjL> just reacting to evilness :P
[23:07]  * jdong looking into gnomefreak's sentence (he lied it sense) and im hoping that is rephrased
[23:07] <jdong> gnomefreak: yeah, that's been up there for a long time
[23:08] <jdong> gnomefreak: I'd like to see some non-perl scripting
[23:08] <gnomefreak> me too
[23:08] <jdong> I'd even take like Boo over this :)
[23:08] <jdong> lol
[23:08] <gnomefreak> but how frigging hard can it be irssi is not a big source at all
[23:08] <jdong> I tried weechat for a while
[23:08] <jdong> but weechat's scripting API IMO is pretty silly
[23:09] <jdong> as far as I could see or ask, there's no way to get the mode of a single user without iterating over ALL users in the channel and testing for that username
[23:09] <jdong> and similar retardedness like that
[23:09] <gnomefreak> thats no good
[23:09] <ompaul> nalioth, I am willing to remove that ban and invite him in here and tell him to come back in $days or some such for all the ban evading -- where that $days is felt to be okay by LjL gnomefreak and yourself with any other good contribs
[23:10] <gnomefreak> what was he banned for?
[23:10] <nalioth> ompaul: i have no dog in this (except it's become a recurring event)
[23:10] <LjL> no sooner than a month. just look at the bantracker - which doesn't even list what happened in -offtopic (for some reason)
[23:10] <ompaul> bot down time
[23:10] <gnomefreak> again?
[23:10] <ompaul> gnomefreak, no the other day when he was banned methinks
[23:10] <gnomefreak> ah
[23:11] <ompaul> gnomefreak, your feeling on days
[23:11] <ompaul> mine is 20 ljl is 1 month
[23:11] <ompaul> yours is?
[23:11] <gnomefreak> not sure why he was banned to begin with
[23:11] <nalioth> then give him a week and pull the bans
[23:11] <ompaul> gnomefreak, the ban evasion is more important at this stage afics
[23:11] <gnomefreak> but what you 2 feel is fine with me.
[23:11] <LjL> [00:11:39] <annoyed> do you seriously think that if i was banned for a just reason i would be here trying to explain
[23:11] <LjL> here's my PM
[23:11] <LjL> with a new nickname
[23:12] <gnomefreak> him again :(
[23:12] <LjL> (same ident though - he's an idiot)
[23:12] <gnomefreak> i know that name
[23:12] <Seeker`> he has used that nickname before
[23:12] <LjL> [00:12:20] <LjL> yes, just about every serious troll does that
[23:12] <LjL> [00:12:32] <unagi> thats great but im not a troll
[23:12] <LjL> changed nick again...
[23:13] <PriceChild> LjL, i think the original ban shown on the bantracker was a replacement for an evaded one iirc
[23:13] <LjL> i *think* he's trying to evade this last ban
[23:13] <nalioth> unban him please, so he can come back in here
[23:13] <LjL> not sure what makes me think that
[23:13] <ompaul> he did
[23:13] <ompaul> 10 days?
[23:13] <ompaul> LjL, ?
[23:13] <ompaul> PriceChild, ?
[23:13] <PriceChild> 10 days?
[23:13] <ompaul> nalioth, ?
[23:13] <ompaul> gnomefreak, ?
[23:13] <LjL> nah, not 10 days, please
[23:13] <nalioth> 10 is fine
[23:14] <ompaul> LjL, he does it again he gets the big clamp
[23:14] <gnomefreak> 10
[23:14] <ompaul> LjL, pm
[23:14] <LjL> PriceChild, note that the "original" ban on the bantracker, again, was on october 19, not 26 (or whatever)
[23:14] <PriceChild> LjL, yes
[23:14] <ompaul> LjL, that is from today btw
[23:14] <unagi> i just wish that people could put themselves in my shoes for a second
[23:14] <ompaul> unagi, no
[23:14] <unagi> no?
[23:14] <ompaul> unagi, please wait
[23:14] <unagi> ok
[23:15] <nalioth> unagi: please explain yourself (and don't beat around the bush)
[23:15] <LjL> (logs help, for the record)
[23:16] <mneptok> oooo! i missed unagi!
[23:16]  * mneptok 's karma is looking up!
[23:16] <ompaul> mneptok, no you didn't
[23:16] <LjL> mneptok: ssssh, don't deconcentrate him
[23:17] <unagi> the initial ban was for 'objectifying women' when my comment was not meant to signify that. it was a misunderstanding that i understand why it would look that way. but when i tried to explain i was accused of trolling and was told i was going to be banned for my comment, i therefore stated that the ban would not matter because i would be back to explain myself whether it was heard then or later. turns out i was wrong about not be able to b
[23:17] <unagi> e banned so i wasnt able to explain, i came in here to try and explain and was yet again accused of trolling because i would refuse to admit iw as objectifying women, each time i try to explain i am told what i think and what i feel instead of understanding that my intentions were misread.
[23:17] <gnomefreak> jdong: do you know python+perl
[23:17] <unagi> basically it snowballed and i made many mistakes since but the fact of the matter is if i was allowed to explain myself initially it might have been cleared up............i only ever got around bans to try and explain myself
[23:18] <PriceChild> unagi, the original ban was _NOT_ for objectifying women and I have tried to explain this to you countless times...
[23:18] <unagi> and as i tried to tell you
[23:18] <PriceChild> That was just a factor that contributed to the decisino to ban.
[23:19] <unagi> whether it was because of the comment or threatening to ban me becvause of the comment it is all related
[23:19] <unagi> i only said that about getting around the ban because i was being threatened to be banned because of the comment
[23:19] <unagi> so even if it was because of the comment of the ban if i was allowed to explain without the threat that would have never been said
[23:20] <unagi> there were 4 people at the time calling me a sexist
[23:20] <unagi> and i felt vulnerable and attacked......and then the threat of the ban came
[23:20] <unagi> that is where my mistakes started
[23:20] <PriceChild> the mistakes started well before that.
[23:20] <unagi> but u just said that it wasnt because of the comment
[23:20] <unagi> the comment was before that
[23:20] <PriceChild> the "comment" about the user's girlfriend... the threat that you would evade bans...
[23:21] <PriceChild> *head desks*
[23:21] <mneptok> unagi: the real question now is ... when do the mistakes *end*?
[23:21] <PriceChild> I said the "comment" was not the only unique reason for the ban.... it was one of many.
[23:21] <LjL> unagi, let's rewind a little. how do you explain the fact that you were kicked, like, 7 times on october 19 from #ubuntu? and, you've been around since at least august, so i doubt you didn't know the rules
[23:21] <mneptok> unagi: coming here *every single day* with the same old "i'm misunderstood!" story is a mistake.
[23:22] <unagi> i dont know who to reply to first
[23:22] <ompaul> unagi, address us all
[23:22] <ompaul> unagi, we don't need any one person addressed specifically
[23:22] <unagi> ljl most of the kicks after the first kick was for 'ban evading' trying to resolove the issue
[23:23] <LjL> unagi, no. october 19.
[23:23] <LjL> not october 2x
[23:23] <unagi> if coming here trying to tell you its a misunerstanding is a mistake then i am sorry.........but i refuse to say that i was objectifying women
[23:23] <unagi> the mistakes end when it is understood that i never meant for any of this to happen, and that if the bans were lifted there would be no problems
[23:24] <unagi> not all 'ban evades' were actually evading
[23:24] <unagi> because like i said i open xchat my channels open...........if they connect they connect
[23:24] <unagi> again in trying to explain that i dont have my own inet connection i was banned for trolling
[23:25] <unagi> im not a troublemaker and there has never been a problem with me before the comment in offtopic
[23:25] <unagi> any trouble that there has been with me lately is directly related to the first ban
[23:25]  * gnomefreak missing a channel
[23:25] <unagi> in fact at first i was never really banned from ubuntu.......just silences
[23:25] <ompaul> unagi, you got to work it out, if the rest of the world thinks you are wrong, perhaps you need to adjust the measure you are using.  This is just a comment, a piece of advice so to speak.
[23:29] <LjL> unagi, also judging from all those kicks on October 19, you seem to easily get upset and definitely lose your temper when people "piss you off". you said this happened after the -offtopic ban, but i'm seeing that it happened before, too
[23:29] <unagi> my adjustment was to no longer evade and come in here and discuss it civally
[23:29] <LjL> you should rethink that attitude, if you want to live peacefully on IRC
[23:29] <ompaul> unagi, so I have a proposition for you
[23:29] <unagi> i tend to lose my temper when people tell me what i think
[23:29] <unagi> or what my intentions are
[23:29] <unagi> which is what pricechild does constantly
[23:30] <unagi> my phone will turn itsself off and i have to turn it back on and reconnect
[23:30] <unagi> half the time that is what happens
[23:30] <unagi> now like i said i will admit thats not what always happened
[23:30] <unagi> i did disconnect to be able to try and continue to explain
[23:30] <unagi> but i never did it to be mischeivious or defiant
[23:31] <unagi> i just feel lost without the support channel
[23:31] <ompaul> unagi, are you going to stop?
[23:31] <unagi> yes
[23:31] <ompaul> as in now
[23:31] <PriceChild> I really can't see how you can try to make us believe you intentionally evaded bans, but weren't trying to be defiant.
[23:31] <unagi> you never saw anything i try to tell you PriceChild
[23:32] <unagi> you instead chose to insult me
[23:32] <ompaul> unagi, and again is it possible, and you got to work it out, if the rest of the world thinks you are wrong, perhaps you need to adjust the measure you are using. This is just a comment, a piece of advice so to speak.
[23:32] <unagi> so will the bans ever be lifted....or am i going to have to reformat and find another flavor of linux
[23:32] <ompaul> threats will work well with someone is trying to meet you some of the way
[23:32] <ompaul> good call
[23:32] <unagi> no no no
[23:32] <unagi> i didnt mean it as a threat
[23:33] <unagi> i mean i cant do this without the channel
[23:33] <unagi> i also do my work with linux version of maya
[23:33] <ompaul> so read what I said
[23:33] <unagi> i think i dont understand exactly what you mean
[23:33] <ompaul> well read it again, I'll be back in a moment
[23:34] <unagi> im not sure what measure you are suggesting
[23:35] <ompaul> when you refuse to consider that other people should think your words mean what you think they mean when you obviously had several people suggest they did not
[23:35] <ompaul> does your measure work with the rest of the world
[23:35] <unagi> ive admitted previously that i can see how my comment was misunderstood.........
[23:36] <unagi> but my intention was never for my words to mean what it was perceived to mean
[23:36] <unagi> and that will never change........but i am sorry for the misunderstanding
[23:36] <unagi> and i wish i had chosen better words at the time
[23:41] <unagi> did i lose inet or is everyone just quiet =/
[23:41] <PriceChild> We are quiet.
[23:41] <unagi> oh
[23:43] <LjL> unagi, i suggest that you come back here in about 10 days. i think the bans will be lifted then. however, i want to tell you in advance that you will at most be given *one* more chance, and no misbehavior of any kind will be tolerated - you will be simply banned and then ignored if that happens.
[23:44] <unagi> thank you, have a great day
[23:44] <LjL> unagi: during said ten days, find the time to read the CoC and the IRC guidelines, as well as everything below:
[23:44] <LjL> !etiquette
[23:44] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[23:44] <ompaul> you can msg the bot with any of those topics and find out what they actually mean
[23:45] <unagi> thank you.......bye everyone!
[23:45] <ompaul> unagi, now we ask you to leave, not have us remove you and actually come back in 10 days
[23:46]  * ompaul wonders
[23:47] <TheSheep> why is that people tend to be so preoccupied with proving they were innocent in the first place, instead of fixing the situation and moving on?
[23:47] <ompaul> it is very hard to say, no, and it is very hard to say, I was wrong
[23:48] <TheSheep> ompaul: good point
[23:48] <ompaul> TheSheep, and the thing is that if you put your hands up, people will work with you to get it sorted
[23:49] <ompaul> and if you say no people will respect you
[23:49] <ompaul> but there ya go
[23:49] <mneptok> http://art.gnome.org/users/kaizera
[23:49] <TheSheep> egos are hungry beasts
[23:49] <ompaul> No binary blobs, and I am not always right
[23:49] <gnomefreak> 10 days still?
[23:49] <ompaul> gnomefreak, yes
[23:49] <gnomefreak> ok brb
[23:49] <ompaul> so say the 9th of Nob
[23:50] <ompaul> nov ember even
[23:50] <ompaul> hehe
[23:50] <ompaul> I got me a new calendar
[23:52] <ompaul> ohh noes its that italian op person  :)
[23:52] <LjL> ompaul: 00101111 01101101 01101111 01100100 01100101 00100000 00100011 01110101 01100010 01110101 01101110 01110100 01110101 00100000 00101011 01100010 00100000 01110101 01101110 01100001 01100111 01101001 00101010 00100001 00101010 01000000 00101010
[23:52] <LjL> </binary blob>
[23:52] <ompaul> heh
[23:52] <ompaul> right so folks I am off to sleep
[23:52] <ompaul> cheers
[23:52] <no0tic> hi
[23:52] <no0tic> bye
[23:52] <Pici> bye
[23:58] <nalioth> why, oh why, does sudoking strike me as a troll playing with us?
[23:58] <LjL> because he is, most likely
[23:59] <PriceChild> nalioth, gah... wher enow?
[23:59] <nalioth> PriceChild: #kubuntu-offtopic
[23:59] <PriceChild> lovely


[13:42] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/RV535ZTqNy/
[13:42] <leftyfb> can we please remove this person for good?
[13:46] <leftyfb> Can we just remove Bugzie whenever it's obvious he's back?
[13:47] <leftyfb> * Marvel (~marvel@2a03:b000:a00::56) has joined #ubuntu
 I need to be quiet from the room
[13:47] <leftyfb> genii: there's no reasoning with him
[13:50] <leftyfb> genii: this goes a bit beyond rules. They also spend time "helping" people. This only adds confusion, frustration and sometimes damage to people's installs.
[13:50] <leftyfb> I and others have mentioned this here in this chat and elsewhere multiple times


[00:56] <khoover> guys, it's crazy out here
[01:10] <khoover> dscassel, guess who just got natty?
[12:16] <khoover> anyone here right now?
[12:46] <IdleOne> khoover: sorta
[12:46] <IdleOne> what's up?
[12:55] <bregma> good day
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:52] <cyphermox> hey BluesKaj
[13:53] <BluesKaj> hi cyphermox
[14:14] <khoover> right, anyone still here?
[14:16] <khoover> seem to be having a hardware problem, not sure where to ask anymore. my computer has been killing all processes and proceeding to the shutdown screen without any prompting from me. in windows, it just skipped the usual shutdown screen, in ubuntu, it shows the console bit for a second or two, then goes to the bar graphic.
[14:16] <khoover> seems like CPU overheating, but I haven't been doing much of anything that's CPU intense lately.
[14:19] <genii-around> Could be the fan is clogged up
[14:27] <khoover> my thing is, from everything i hear about CPU overheats, it simply blacks everything. Why would ubuntu still do the graphical shutdown then?
[14:31] <genii-around> There is usually some pre-emptive signal sent by the motherboard bios when the cpu temp is climbing, sometimes a safe shutdown is still possible before the hardware gives the long loud screeches and forcibly powers off
[14:32] <khoover> right. well, what sorta app would i be using on ubuntu to throttle by temperature?
[14:33] <genii-around> I believe the underlying part is lmsensors
[14:35] <khoover> just trying to find it, aptitude ran into a depackaging error. >_<
[14:36] <genii-around> khoover: Hm, you may have some larger underlying error then
[14:36] <khoover> oh, no, just needed to run the dpkg command. fine now.
[14:37] <khoover> eh, exactly where would i be finding lmsensor, or an interface. i saw wmsensors, not sure if that applies
[14:37] <genii-around> khoover: You might want to run sudo sensors-detect and see if it is locating all your stuff properly
[14:40] <khoover> genii-around, there is no sensors-detect command
[14:40] <genii-around> Hm
[14:41] <khoover> also, aaaargh, the msfonts for wine are being buggers to install
[14:41] <khoover> mscorefonts*
[14:42] <genii-around> khoover: Maybe it needs full path of /usr/sbin/sensors-detect
[14:43] <khoover> maybe. also, for the ttf-mscorefonts, how exactly to i get past the EULA?
[14:43] <khoover> can't seem to confirm it in any way i know
[14:44] <genii-around> khoover: Usually tab to switch fields, enter to activate what's highlighted
[14:44] <khoover> ....yeah, feeling stupid. and there's no sensors detect there either
[14:45] <genii-around> khoover: Does result of: apt-cache policy lm-sensors     show that it is installed?
[14:46] <khoover> no, seeing that it isn't in aptitude right now
[14:47] <khoover> installing it right now
[14:47] <genii-around> Might need to enable universe repository
[14:47] <genii-around> Ah, OK
[14:50] <khoover> and now i'm sensor probing
[14:51] <khoover> once i do have the temp sensor, how can i get ubuntu to throttle using it?
[14:54] <genii-around> khoover: I think in regular Ubuntu it is sensors-applet .. ( In my Kubuntu it is ksensors)
[14:56] <khoover> alrigh, let's see what we can do
[15:01] <khoover> this is a really new-guy question, but how would i open /etc/modules in RW mode?
[15:08] <genii-around> I usually do like sudo nano /etc/modules
[15:08] <khoover> ah.
[15:09] <genii-around> Looks like there is some issue adding the sensors applet in Unity, might want to check http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1747277 for workaround
[15:10] <khoover> i'm using classic, unity's a bitch.
[15:11] <genii-around> Yeah people either love it or hate it
[15:11] <staticsafe> good morning
[15:11] <khoover> should remove it soon. and morning
[15:14] <khoover> gah, why must the desktop package depend on it, don't want it bugging out all the time.
[15:35] <khoover> wow....i think my CPUs are running at 70*C
[15:41] <khoover> could stop using a toaster.
[15:51] <khoover> correction, 90*C
[15:52] <genii-around> Yes, much too high
[15:52] <khoover> as long as she doesn't crash, i'm fine leaving it between 80 and 90.
[15:52] <genii-around> khoover: Looks like some physical issue, like cpu fan clogged/not spinning fast enough, or exhaust of case is blocked, or so on
[15:53] <khoover> yeah, leaving the fan port right on top of the glass table isn't terribly smart, now.
[15:54] <khoover> anyways, i'll be leaving now, hopefully she doesn't crash while i'm out. she shouldn't, at least.
[17:12] <genii-around> dscassel: Belated congratulations by the way
[17:23] <dscassel> Thanks, genii-around :)
[17:30] <genii-around> :)
[17:38] <dscassel> cyphermox: Cloaked. :D
[17:39] <cyphermox> fun


[00:36] <jelmer> kolbe: what bob2 said
[01:56] <kolbe> How do I go about branching into a shared repository and resuming such a thing?
[09:22] <bob2> make repository
[09:22] <bob2> cd to it
[09:22] <bob2> branch
[09:22] <bob2> success
[13:43] <marcoceppi> Where is the bazaar.conf on Windows 7 installs?
[13:53] <LarstiQ> marcoceppi: `bzr --version` has a line with 'Bazaar configuriation:'
[13:54] <marcoceppi> LarstiQ I try overriding ssl.ca_certs in a bazaar.conf file in the "configuration directory" but it doesn't seem to take effect
[13:59] <marcoceppi> Nevermind, I've gotten past that problem, Now whenever I try to Branch on windows with bzrlib I get invalid url supplied to transport when using lp: addresses
[13:59] <LarstiQ> marcoceppi: is that with bzr straight, or using some of your own code?
[14:01] <marcoceppi> LarstiQ It's using bzrlib in a light python wrapper I wrote, that does a Branch.open('lp:charms/ubuntu') which produces this error:
[14:01] <LarstiQ> marcoceppi: you'll need to load plugins
[14:01] <LarstiQ> let me check
[14:01] <marcoceppi> LarstiQ I do already, this code currently works on Ubuntu
[14:02] <LarstiQ> marcoceppi: ah hmm
[14:02] <marcoceppi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5637024/
[14:02] <LarstiQ> marcoceppi: pastebin the error?
[14:02] <LarstiQ> cheers :)
[14:02] <LarstiQ> marcoceppi: ah, that looks like an ssh problem
[14:02] <marcoceppi> Nothing in the .bzr.log other than the "Launchpad login" thing
[14:03] <marcoceppi> Yes, which Windows handles so well :) So, any way to work around that on Windows?
[14:04] <LarstiQ> marcoceppi: it is possible to set up ssh on windows, I believe putty works
[14:04] <LarstiQ> marcoceppi: or if you don't mind, you can use http instead of bzr+ssh
[14:05] <marcoceppi> LarstiQ I wouldn't mind too terribly, to be honest, how would I force load_plugins to translate lp: urls to use HTTP instead?
[14:05] <marcoceppi> And does the bzr+http scheme allow for pushing?
[14:05] <LarstiQ> marcoceppi: it should use http already if you don't have launchpad-login set, afaik
[14:05] <LarstiQ> marcoceppi: no
[14:05] <LarstiQ> so I'm a bit confused by the error log
[14:07] <LarstiQ> marcoceppi: http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/Bzr_and_SSH has some instructions
[14:07] <marcoceppi> Well, I guess I need bzr+ssh to work then. I know PuTTY doesn't actually do anything but make software available, so I'm not sure how Bazaar would know to use it for SSH connections
[14:07] <LarstiQ> marcoceppi: bzr has some support for putty/pageant
[14:08] <marcoceppi> Ah, interesting
[14:08] <marcoceppi> I'll give that a shot, thanks LarstiQ
[14:08] <LarstiQ> marcoceppi: I hope it is enough
[14:08]  * LarstiQ back to math
[14:08] <marcoceppi> Well, I'll be back soon enough if it's not ;)
[14:21] <marcoceppi> LarstiQ still not working, I wonder if it's because of the %5C in the URL, it's having some weird issue with URL decoding
[14:23] <marcoceppi> OH, I know what I did wrong
[14:23] <marcoceppi> I'm using os.path.join to build the lp: url
[15:08] <kolbe> bob2: "bzr branch lp:mysql-server/5.5 ." gives me "bzr: ERROR: Target directory "." already exists"
[15:09] <kolbe> well i managed to get that pretty easily by using --use-existing-dir but i have to say this workflow is pretty perplexing to me
[15:10] <kolbe> oh nope, that didn't work either
[15:10] <kolbe> "bzr: ERROR: Already a branch: "."."
[15:14] <mgz> kolbe: you want to branch it into a fresh directory
[15:14] <mgz> possibly without the tree, or possibly colocated, but you can't just branch over the top of an existing branch
[15:14] <kolbe> mgz: some time yesterday bob2 had told me "make repository; cd to it; branch; success"
[15:14] <kolbe> but that doesn't really seem to work out so well
[15:15] <kolbe> i guessed that "make repository" meant "bzr init" but perhaps that wasn't right
[15:15] <mgz> indeed not
[15:15] <mgz> you want `bzr init-repo`
[15:16] <kolbe> huh
[15:16] <mgz> try reading the introduction section of the user guide
[15:17] <kolbe> mgz: the main goal of all of this was to try to find a way for "bzr branch" to allow me to resume if my connection dies part way through
[15:17] <kolbe> i already have a shared repository and i was just doing "bzr branch lp:mysql-server/5.5 5.5" from the directory that holds the shared repository
[15:17] <mgz> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/beta/en/user-guide/
[15:17] <kolbe> but if my connection dies and bzr branch stalls, i couldn't figure out any way to get it to resume
[15:18] <mgz> right, the general work around for that is do a manually pull in a sequence of revision ranges
[15:18] <kolbe> that guide doesn't seem to address resuming a branch operation, i looked there at some point
[15:19] <kolbe> oh my
[15:20] <mgz> so, `bzr branch -r..100 FROM` then cd into the branch and `bzr pull -r100..200` and so on, can shell script that reasonably easily
[15:21] <mgz> you probably want to make sure you're using bzr+ssh, so give bzr your launchpad login and upload your ssh key to your user account if you've not done it already
[15:25] <kolbe> does bzr+ssh have some particular benefit when just branching some public project?
[15:26] <mgz> faster for subsequent operations, so, useful in this case
[15:26] <kolbe> ok, thanks
[15:27]  * kolbe wonders what bzr+ssh is doing that makes it faster than whatever happens when not using it
[15:28] <mgz> it does operations server-side
[15:28] <mgz> so, pulling in changes when you already have some is handled by your client saying what it has then the server packing up the missing bits and sending them
[15:29] <mgz> rather than the client looking at the data files directly and trying to pull out the bits it needs
[15:30] <kolbe> an initial branch seems to take an extremely long time, no matter how fast my connection is
[15:30] <kolbe> is bzr manually grabbing each revision since the dawn of time?
[15:31] <mgz> no, but it is the whole project history
[15:31] <mgz> it's packed up in a sane manner, but for big old projects it's still a lot of data
[15:31] <kolbe> yeah
[17:30] <SamB> kolbe: bzr-svn is the one that has to grab revisions one-by-one
[17:49] <kolbe> blah, this is horrible


[19:27] <dashua> Ambiance/Radiance buttons very close to all of the design mock ups --> http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/7lbcsp2p/GTKWidgetFactory_003.png
[19:27] <dashua> Should I bother submitting a patch this late in the cycle?


[16:32] <TheProf> Good day. I hope everyone is well. I am looking for some help with my current FreeNX/No Machine client setup please. I have two servers: An LTSP Fedora 10 box and an Edubuntu 10.10 box. Both sitting in the same server rack, plugged into the same Internet connection. When I use the NX client to connect from my home-based Windows machine, the Fedora server is *much* faster than the Ubuntu one...
[16:32] <TheProf> ...even though the Ubuntu server has much more superior hardware. Is there a way to resolve this please?
[16:33] <TheProf> Both servers had FreeNX installed using the regular repository route (yum and apt-get) so nothing customized.  The Fedora session runs beautifully -- it's like I'm sitting at the computer. It's amazing really. The Ubuntu one is more like I'm on a slow modem, watching window edges being drawn.
[16:33] <TheProf> Thank you
[16:38] <mhall119> TheProf: do you have desktop effects enabled in Ubuntu
[16:38] <mhall119> ?
[16:39] <TheProf> hello mhall119  - no I turned them off
[16:39] <mhall119> same screen resolutions used by both
[16:39] <mhall119> ?
[16:40] <TheProf> yes - I set it in the NX client configuration to 1024x768
[16:40] <mhall119> hmm...
[16:40] <mhall119> were desktop effects enabled by default on the Fedora setup?
[16:41] <TheProf> I don't believe so. I think with Fedora 10 they would have had to have been installed intentionally
[16:42] <mhall119> okay, maybe you need to install/enable the xdamage extension on the Ubuntu box
[16:42] <mhall119> that usually caused problems when remote-viewing if you have 3d effects enabled, so it might have been left off by default on Ubuntu
[16:43] <TheProf> I just checked the fedora installation and there are no desktop effects installed.
[16:44] <TheProf> For the xdamage extension - this is something that is suppose to help the remote-viewing or is needed for it?
[16:46] <TheProf> It's strange because on edubuntu all the window's title bars are messed up.  ANd only the title bars.  They are, for lack of a better term, blurry.
[16:49] <mhall119> because the default visual effects on ubuntu use semi-transparent title bars probably
[16:50] <TheProf> OK I understand.
[16:52] <TheProf> OK found an instruction step for the xdamage extension: "A gconf option (/desktop/gnome/remote_session/disable_xdamage) has been added to disable the xdamage extension which is a temporary workaround although it requires more bandwidth. Enable the option through gconf-editor."
[16:54] <mhall119> it's remote_access, not remote_session, in my 10.10 setup
[16:55] <TheProf> OK I don't think I have the gconf-editor - just looking for it now
[16:55] <mhall119> you have it, it's part of Gnome
[16:55] <mhall119> just alt+F2, and run it
[16:55] <mhall119> but I think that key might be only for the built-in VNC server, does FreeNX use that?
[16:56] <TheProf> Not sure - I will try it now
[17:01] <TheProf> mhall119: I've changed that option, logged out and back in via FreeNX and I believe it has shown some marginal improvement.  The titlebar is still a problem and it isn't yet remotely the same as the Fedora instance, but it is better thank you.
[17:01] <TheProf> I wonder why it's so different.
[17:02] <mhall119> TheProf: go to System->Preferences->Appearance and make sure visual effects are disabled
[17:04] <TheProf> System -> Preferences -> Appearances -> Visual Effects set to None.
[17:05] <mhall119> hmmm
[17:05] <mhall119> in that case, I don't know what wouold be causing the titlebar issues
[17:06] <mhall119> or the slowness in general
[17:07] <TheProf> It is strange for sure.
[17:08] <TheProf> I already asked in the NX channel but it seems to be unresponsive.  Should I risk going into the ubuntu channel and asking? :)
[17:36] <mhall119> it couldn't hurt
[17:36] <mhall119> ...much
[17:40] <masai47> Hello everyone,  I am looking for some advice.  I am a Peace Corps Volunteer in Botswana.  I am downloading edubuntu right now.  I hope to be installing it on six different computers at a small school in another village next week.  What advice do you have for installing and setting it up?
[17:42] <masai47> I unfortunately dont have access to the computers right now, and none of them will be connected to the internet (at least for the near future)
[17:50] <TheProf> masai47: I just installed Edubuntu last week and it was a flawless installation.  Not sure if you're looking for any specific advice?
[17:51] <masai47> I have no ideas yet on how I should set up different user accounts
[17:52] <masai47> I was also thinking about installing some additional programs
[17:54] <TheProf> You may find that without internet it will be difficult to install additional software but you should find the stock installation already has a bunch of educational software on it.
[17:54] <TheProf> Will you be using it as an LTSP server or just a bunch of standalone computers?
[17:55] <masai47> a bunch of standalone
[17:55] <masai47> well just 6
[17:57] <TheProf> OK - if they are standalone machines you'll find it's a bit more effort to set it up - as you'll either have to 1) assign a specific computer to specific uses  2) have another machine act as a fileserver if you want their files to follow them around 3) set them up as auto-login kiosks .  I guess it depends on how you plan on using them.
[17:58] <masai47> I dont think they will even be connected
[17:58] <masai47> if I was there for a longer period of time and had more resources maybe
[17:59] <masai47> the problem is that there will not be an experienced user managing these computers
[18:00] <masai47> me offering them free software meant they could get 6 machines instead of 5
[18:00] <TheProf> Perhaps the best solution is just to install them separately, then create the users on each machine using the System ->Administration -> users and groups menu option.  Once you've got the accounts created it's very easy -- you won't need an experienced user managing things
[18:00] <masai47> ok
[18:01] <masai47> I think I have the wrong word, some one suggested maybe refactoring?? the ISO after I have created a setup I like on one machine (with possibly additional programs installed)
[18:02] <masai47> that way if there are serious problems they can simply reinstall from scratch from a DVD or USB I give them
[18:02] <TheProf> I think you might be talking about re-imaging?
[18:03] <TheProf> IE: someone messes something up so they can restore it back to a new installation /  prior setup?
[18:04] <masai47> re imaging is the word
[18:04] <masai47> but that would also allow me to set it up on a different computer over the next few days with access to internet
[18:05] <TheProf> I don't have much experience with reimaging.  In order to do it effectively I'd imagine you'd need a network of some sort to back up the operating system and all files to another machine in order to re-image it later.
[18:16] <masai47> I was looking into programs like remastersys
[18:18] <TheProf> masai47: looks interesting. never heard of it but it may do what you need.  You could try contacting the author directly to see if it fits your need.
[18:19] <masai47> From what I have read it looks like it does.  just wondered if anybody had experience with it.
[18:21] <masai47> I have been using Ubuntu for a few years but just as a basic user.  I dont know if any educators have any advice that I can pass on about using edubuntu with school kids of various ages.  As well as any advice on simple user setups (i.e. Primary, Middle school, High school, or one for each grade?  An account for each student?)  Setups for teachers?
[18:24] <TheProf> I've always used it focusing on the LTSP functionality so there was no real issue with re-imaging the different student machines, etc.  I personally use webmin to manage the accounts because it lets me bulk-create hundreds of students in one step.
[18:24] <masai47> ok
[18:25] <masai47> I dont think there will be that many users in this situation
[18:26] <TheProf> Webmin lets you manage nearly every aspect of the server in a pretty straightforward easy manner so you may want to look into it
[18:26] <masai47> sadly no way to network these few machine or connect them to the web
[18:28] <TheProf> you can run webmin locally without internet access after it's been installed
[18:29] <masai47> computers wont be networked
[18:30] <masai47> and there will be no serious admin user
[18:30] <masai47> I was thinking of just having a few generic accounts
[18:31] <TheProf> That would work perfectly well
[18:33] <masai47> this is a random question but you have been very helpful.  Are you online most days? and what hours?
[18:36] <TheProf> masai47: actually this is the first time I am in this channel :)  I came in looking for some help with a specific problem I am dealing with.
[18:36] <TheProf> I would recommend that you still try this channel as there are others who can help I'm sure.
[18:36] <masai47>  ok
[18:36] <masai47> thanks though
[18:36] <masai47> hope you found help as well
[18:37] <TheProf> still working on my problem :) thanks
[18:45] <masai47> new question that may be better suited for the general Ubuntu channel.  After dual booting a windows machine (I have done this) what is the process for removing that Ubuntu install?  or how difficult is it set it up so that most people using the computer are unaffected by the Linux partition
[18:50] <TheProf> Try this link for how to do that http://forums.techarena.in/operating-systems/1113117.htm
[18:50] <masai47> thanks
[18:51] <masai47> sorry for making you do a google search that I could have probably done myself
[18:52] <TheProf> No I had done it a long time ago and remembered that it was online someplace
[20:05] <robehend1> Anyone care to help with getting Home Folders shared and writeable by windows users in 10.04 LTSP?
[20:23] <mgariepy> you want to export /home/$USER/ with a samba share from a windows server ?
[20:23] <mgariepy> ha
[20:23] <mgariepy> oops
[21:15] <masai47> I am installing edubuntu on a computer with a pre-existing Windows XP installation and am having to use the advanced partitioning tool.  The partition for edubuntu should be Ext4, or 3 or 2?  which is best?  Thank you
[21:16] <mhall119> use ext4
[21:18] <masai47> thanks
[21:21] <masai47> when choosing the Device for boot loader installation.  Is it is ok to just select /dev/sda? or should I choose the specific partition for edubuntu?  e.g. /dev/sda3
[21:22] <masai47> and something that may affect the answer is that I may be forced to delete the Ubuntu partition yet will still need to have it boot into Windows (sadly)  and will not have an XP disk to do a repair
[21:47] <masai47> hope I did not miss a response (my connection in Africa is not always stable)
[21:47] <mhall119> masai47: /dev/sda is fine
[21:47] <masai47> thanks a lot
[21:47] <mhall119> if you delete uBuntu and still need windows
[21:47] <mhall119> you'll need to boot from the windows CD and restore it's bootloader
[21:48] <masai47> (this is a government computer and I cant mess with the XP partition much)
[21:48] <masai47> ok, is there away of reducing that partition to being very small and have grub loader load windows automatically with out a pause?
[21:49] <alkisg> masai47: you can also use wubi for installation within the windows partition. That also uses the windows bootloader so it's easier to remote ubuntu.
[21:49] <alkisg> *remove
[21:50] <masai47> would that be easier?
[21:50] <mhall119> masai47: you might want to try WUBI then, instead of creating a partition for Ubuntu
[21:50] <mhall119> like alkisg said, before I finished typing
[21:51] <masai47> opps, might be too late
[21:51] <masai47> any easy way to stop the install once it has started
[21:55] <masai47> I think it started the partitioning process and there is no cancel choice.  Not sure if the first task is to write the grub loader
[22:05] <masai47> I am now wondering if this has gotten stuck.  I have gone forward through to the "Who are you?" page.  I cant go forward yet there are green checks next to every entry
[22:07] <alkisg> How big is your windows C:\Documents and settings?
[22:07] <alkisg> At some point it tries to import windows accounts... don't check that, it'll copy all of your data too
[22:08] <masai47> never mind.  If I use Wubi and install it inside the windows partition
[22:08] <masai47> can it still use a linux swap partition?
[23:07] <masai47> can someone confirm that wubi can install Edubuntu
[23:08] <masai47> It says it does not support DVD or alternate install disk and I find no mention of edubuntu
[23:09] <masai47> It says to run wubi in the same folder as the ISO but that does not seem to be working, it just tries to download (not possible as I am behind a proxie) and there are no options for selecting a previously downloaded ISO


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