[06:39] <ppisati> moin
[07:21] <smb> morning
[08:04]  * ppisati notices that if you don't read lkml on a daily basis, the associated folder tends to explode...
[09:02] <apw> morning ...
[09:57] <cooloney> apw: morning, i'm trying to add 'ln -s' workaround in lxc-start-ephemeral
[09:59] <cooloney> apw: i don't fully understand where shall i add this 'ln -s', upper or lower. i think it should be lower directory
[09:59] <apw> cooloney, well if it is in the lower then its a one off thing
[09:59] <apw> cooloney, though as its a bodge, in the upper seems fine
[10:03] <cooloney> apw: cd ${upper}; ln -s rootfs / ?
[10:04] <apw> ln -s . rootfs
[10:04] <apw> i'd guess, as we want /rootfs to mean /
[10:14] <cooloney> apw: oh, i tried that. actually it doesn't work,
[10:14] <apw> and why does it not work ?
[10:14] <cooloney> apw: rootfs will be an endless loop point
[10:14] <apw> ?
[10:14] <apw> if you ln -s . rootfs it cannot be an endless loop
[10:17] <apw> i assume we end up with /rootfs in the names because somewhere you have a rootfs directory (a real directory) which is used to build the fake namespace
[10:17] <apw> inside that directory we need to add the link, not replace it
[10:18] <apw> as a test i would try and run "ln -s . rootfs; ls -ld /etc /rootfs/etc" as the command payload for an ephemeral lxc start thing
[10:18] <apw> cooloney, ^^
[10:19] <apw> and see what that produces
[10:19] <cooloney> so in upper there is rootfs -> .
[10:19] <apw> ok that sounds right
[10:19] <apw> so what does ls -ld /etc /rootfs/etc do in that
[10:19] <cooloney> it looks like overwrite the real directory in lower,
[10:20] <cooloney> oh, the lxc hangs in the middle
[10:20] <apw> whats in rootfs in lower ?
[10:20] <cooloney> $ ls /var/lib/lxc/p1
[10:20] <cooloney> config  fstab  rootfs
[10:20] <cooloney> this is lower
[10:21] <cooloney> rootfs is a directory containing everything for lxc container
[10:21] <apw> ok get rid of the symlink in upper
[10:21] <apw> and ln -s . /var/lib/lx/p1/rootfs/rootfs
[10:21] <apw> and try that
[10:21] <cooloney> after i added a link in upper named rootfs, it probably overwrite this real one
[10:22] <apw> yeah i don't want the top rootfs replaced i want to add rootfs/rootfs effectivly as a link
[10:22] <apw> so remove the upper one for now, and add the lower one and tell me waht that does
[10:22] <apw> note the double rootfs at the end
[10:24] <apw> cooloney, ^^
[10:25] <cooloney> cd ${upper} sudo ln -s . ${lower}/rootfs/rootfs cd -
[10:25] <apw> ?
[10:25] <cooloney> apw: i added this
[10:25] <apw> no that is in upper
[10:25] <cooloney> oh, sorry
[10:26] <apw> actually that might be in lower, as its absolute
[10:26] <apw> so you don't need the cd
[10:26] <apw> ln -s . ${lower}/rootfs/rootfs
[10:26] <apw> looks right
[10:27] <apw> cooloney, and ?  does it work /
[10:27] <apw> ?
[10:28] <cooloney> apw: oh, no, i got the same error with /rootfs
[10:28] <apw> ok
[10:28] <apw> actually which error
[10:29] <apw> this directory /var/lib/lx/p1/rootfs, is it persistant?  always there?
[10:29] <cooloney> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1144614/
[10:29] <cooloney> apw: yeah, always there
[10:29] <cooloney> since lower is a real directory
[10:30] <apw> ok rathan than putting it in the ephermal scripts like you are
[10:30] <cooloney> it might be ln -s rootfs ${lower}/rootfs/rootfs
[10:30] <apw> remove that change, and run: ln -s . /var/lib/lx/p1/rootfs/rootfs in the real filesystem
[10:30] <apw> outside of the container
[10:31] <apw> then paste me the ls -l /var/lib/lx/p1/rootfs
[10:34] <cooloney> roc@roc-desktop:~$ sudo ln -s . /var/lib/lxc/p1/rootfs/rootfs
[10:34] <cooloney> roc@roc-desktop:~$ sudo ls -l /var/lib/lxc/p1/rootfs/
[10:34] <cooloney> total 80
[10:34] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Aug  2 11:52 bin
[10:34] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Jul  4 02:01 boot
[10:34] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 4096 Aug  2 11:51 dev
[10:34] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x 63 root root 4096 Aug  2 11:54 etc
[10:34] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 4096 Aug  2 11:54 home
[10:34] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4096 Aug  2 11:52 lib
[10:34] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Aug  2 11:49 lib64
[10:34] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Aug  2 11:48 media
[10:34] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Jul  4 02:01 mnt
[10:34] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Aug  2 11:48 opt
[10:34] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Jul  4 02:01 proc
[10:35] <cooloney> drwx------  2 root root 4096 Aug  2 11:48 root
[10:35] <cooloney> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    1 Aug 13 18:33 rootfs -> .
[10:35] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x  6 root root 4096 Aug  2 11:52 run
[10:35] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Aug  2 11:53 sbin
[10:35] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Jun 12 02:36 selinux
[10:35] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Aug  2 11:48 srv
[10:35] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Jul 21 10:42 sys
[10:35] <cooloney> drwxrwxrwt  2 root root 4096 Aug  2 11:53 tmp
[10:35] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 Aug  2 11:48 usr
[10:35] <cooloney> drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 Aug  2 11:48 var
[10:35] <cooloney> apw: ^^^
[10:37] <cooloney> looks like it is right.
[10:37]  * ppisati hates debian packaging...
[10:38] <cooloney> apw: but the output still has /rootfs/ prefix
[10:45] <apw> cooloney, the output matters not, as long as the path whatever it is points to the right place
[10:46] <apw> so as long as ls -l /proc/$$/fds
[10:46] <apw> as long as those paths wrong though they are with /rootfs on the front now validly point to the right file
[10:46] <apw> which they should as the symlink effectivly strips the prefix (makes it point to the same as /) we should be safe
[10:48] <apw> does the container work right with it like that
[10:48]  * apw has to nip out for an hour ... will check back in when he gets back
[10:51] <cooloney> apw: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1144648/
[11:49]  * henrix -> lunch
[14:13] <dileks> hi
[14:14] <dileks> can someone enlighten me why umask 0022 is not working as expected?
[14:14] <dileks> see this with linux-{3.5.1,3.6-rc1,next-201213}
[14:14] <dileks> http://nopaste.snit.ch/156629
[14:15] <dileks> chmod 755 looks like the workaround
[14:15]  * dileks wants to understand
[14:22] <dileks> looks like I have to umask on ${MOD_ROOT_FILES_DIR}
[14:24] <dileks> formerly I could do umask 0022 $local-git-repo
[14:52]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:30] <jsalisbury> bjf, henrix, herton possible regression with 3.2.0-29.  bug 1035590
[15:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1035590 in linux "Kernel update on 10 Aug 2012 affects nm-applet signal strength" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1035590
[15:35] <hggdh> ogra_: there?
[15:36] <herton> jsalisbury, ack. Only direct change to ipw drivers was "net/wireless: ipw2x00: add supported cipher suites to wiphy initialization"
[15:37] <jsalisbury> herton, I also added the network-manager package to the bug for their review
[15:39] <herton> I wonder if nm is trying to use now nl80211 because of that change, and that doesn't work well with this driver
[15:40] <henrix> yeah, it could be just a gui thing. it's not clear from the bug if the card actually works or not
[15:40] <henrix> (gui or nm)
[16:11] <ogra_> hggdh, whats up ?
[16:21] <hggdh> ogra_: have you tried today's image for quantal-server armhf+omap4? On one machine (the lab, with the uboot) it loops on 'detecting hardware to find CDROM', on another (no preseed, manual) goes thru the language selection, then nothing
[16:21] <hggdh> on the loop: I ^C, see a message about seg fault, and hardware detection restarts
[16:22] <hggdh> same thing on the manual, it seems
[16:26] <ogra_> well, i just tested desktop an that explodes as well but in ubiquity
[16:27] <ogra_> hggdh, bug 1028905 for cdrom-detect ... try if wiping the partition table on the target disk helps
[16:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1028905 in cdrom-detect "cdrom-detect in quantal omap4 hangs trying to look for install media on an extended partition" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1028905
[16:27] <hggdh> oh crap, forgot about this one
[16:29] <ogra_> i'll try to nail it down this week
[16:29] <ogra_> butu first i need a usable desktop install to test a kernel
[16:29] <ogra_> *but
[16:31] <hggdh> ogra_: yes indeed, it is the extended partition
[16:51] <Kano> hi apw , why was aufs patched but not enabled?
[16:52] <apw> Kano, for the same reason we patch it every cycle, because if we don't need to we do not want to enable it
[16:52] <Kano> i would like it to be enabled by default
[16:52] <Kano> where is the dsc for the -10 package?
[16:58] <apw> Kano, in the archive ?
[16:58] <Kano> yes
[16:58] <Kano> i only see 9
[16:59] <Kano> ok, found it on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/
[17:37] <elmo> hey, do we have quantal kernels for precise yet at all?  even in testing stages
[17:37] <elmo> I'm trying debs from quantal directly and not having a huge amount of luck
[17:40] <bjf> elmo: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/q-lts-backport
[17:41] <bjf> elmo: there be kernels there
[17:41] <elmo> bjf: thanks, will try that
[17:49] <elmo> bjf: interesting
[17:49] <elmo> bjf: so, the linux-image-3.5.0-9-generic in quantal doesn't have a hpsa.ko despite having it as =m in the /boot/config file
[17:49] <elmo> bjf: but the PPA deb *does* have the hpsa.ko
[17:50] <elmo> and hpsa is what gives me my root file system, so ...
[17:57] <bjf> elmo, so you are golden because you are using the ppa which has the module you need right?
[17:57] <elmo> bjf: sure sure
[17:57] <elmo> bjf: but I suspect if I was using quantal (userspace + kernel); the machine wouldn't boot
[17:58] <elmo> bjf: but I don't have time to (dis)prove that theory right now, so I'll wave my hands and assume you guys have that under control
[17:58] <bjf> elmo, ah, that was your point
[17:58] <bjf> elmo, a bug on that would be nice
[17:59] <elmo> bjf: ok, will file one in a sec
[17:59] <elmo> just got to quickly see if quantal fixes all my OCZ SSD woes
[18:03] <ogasawara> elmo: by chance, when you were installing the .debs from quantal directly, did you make sure to install the linux-image-extra deb?
[18:03] <ogasawara> $ dpkg -c linux-image-extra-3.5.0-9-generic_3.5.0-9.9_amd64.deb | grep "hpsa"
[18:03] <ogasawara> -rw-r--r-- root/root     97080 2012-08-09 07:16 ./lib/modules/3.5.0-9-generic/kernel/drivers/scsi/hpsa.ko
[18:05] <Kano> elmo: what ocz problems? which drive
[18:06] <elmo> ogasawara: I was, I didn't
[18:08] <elmo> ogasawara: forgive my ignorance, but why are drivers split out into -extra?
[18:09] <ogasawara> elmo: we slit the -generic package so that we could eliminate maintaining a separate -virtual flavor.  so the linux-image is a paired down offering for vm's, linux-image-extra provides everything else, so most will want both installed.
[18:09] <elmo> ogasawara: ah, I see.  so PEBKAC, then, no bug needed.  thanks for explaining
[18:10] <elmo> 0b:00.0 SCSI storage controller: OCZ Technology Group, Inc. Device 1044 (rev 02)
[18:10] <elmo> Kano: ^-- those; they spass out when more than one is in a given box at the same time
[18:10] <elmo> unfortunately, the OCZ binary driver works in that case, but the mvsas driver does not
[18:10] <elmo> I was hoping quantal's 3.5.xx might fix it, but it doesn't
[18:11] <Kano> elmo: a pci-e ocz?
[18:11] <elmo> Kano: yes
[18:11] <Kano> i only have got ocz via sata
[18:11] <Kano> whats the pci-id? lspci -vnn
[18:12] <elmo> Kano: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1145316/
[18:13] <elmo> or http://paste.ubuntu.com/1145320/ (as root)
[18:14] <Kano> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-scsi/msg54932.html
[18:14] <Kano> hmm thats the part you could write a bug report
[18:14] <Kano> do you use latest firmware?
[18:15] <Kano> mvsas is the driver
[18:16] <Kano> btw. did you look at modinfo mysas
[18:16] <Kano> that driver has got 2 modes
[18:24] <micahg> jsalisbury: you marked bug 1036063 as triaged, do you need more information from me or not?
[18:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1036063 in linux "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#4 stuck for 22s! [rm:30630]" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1036063
[19:29] <Kano> apw: i reenabled the aufs module, now it fails on hash check (after renameing 9.9 to 10.10 for as 10.10kanotix1)
[19:30] <Kano> apw: how to fix that
[19:30] <apw> Kano, hash check?
[19:31] <Kano> apw: http://paste.debian.net/183416/
[19:33] <apw> Kano, what does debian/rules printenv say
[19:33]  * apw suspects you have not pulled a real 10.10 ABI into your package
[19:33] <Kano> no i just renamed 9.9 to 10.10 because it failed
[19:34] <Kano> wget -qO- 'http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-quantal.git;a=patch;h=eddf18835fe46235ed6800ff80b88251a390b84b'|sed s/8.8/9.9/g|patch -Rp1
[19:34] <apw> then its saying what it should that the ABI is changed, you either need a real abi or to disable it for your build 'skipabi=true'
[19:34] <Kano> i did that, then moved 9.9 to 10.10
[19:34] <apw> abi is not disabled it its failing
[19:35] <Kano> http://paste.debian.net/183417/
[19:35] <apw> if you just renames 9.9 to 10.10 thats not going to work
[19:35] <apw> you need to turn of the abi check or get accurate abi files
[19:35] <Kano> so how to do it?
[19:35] <apw> skipabi=true
[19:36] <Kano> and then?
[19:36] <apw> then it won't do the check
[19:36] <apw> and you need to build it again
[19:36] <Kano> and when i want to update the check?
[19:36] <apw> update the check?
[19:36] <Kano> well the way you do it
[19:37] <Kano> how would you enable aufs?
[19:39] <apw> i would use getabis to pull the abi information, but as you are going to then end up with a failed abi check because you need it to be called 10.10xxx1 you need to disable the check
[19:39] <Kano> but when i compile it twice?
[19:40] <apw> no just add skipabi=true
[19:40] <apw> and build it just once
[19:41] <Kano> i want to build it with pbuilder
[19:41] <apw> so add skipabi in the arch.mk files
[19:41] <Kano> and how do you update it?
[19:42] <apw> update what
[19:42] <Kano> the abi check
[19:42] <apw> if you mean the abi, if you update it you will have to make your version 11.10
[19:43] <apw> and the you will be newer than our 11.11
[19:43] <apw> and your versioning will go to hell
[19:43] <Kano> hmm
[19:43] <Kano> cant you just enable aufs by default ;)
[19:44] <apw> heh


[13:44] <theo-andreou> test
[13:45] <theo-andreou> anyone here?
[13:52] <theo-andreou> test
[15:22] <Prometheas> theo-andreou:


[15:49] <drasko_> hi all, I am trying to compile bootchart-litem and getting : /usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf/bits/fcntl2.h:51:24: error: call to '__open_missing_mode' declared with attribute error: open with O_CREAT in second argument ns
[15:49] <drasko_> http://pastebin.com/uibA0YQB
[18:37] <ppisati> ogra_: what did i had to add to preEnv.txt to make the installer start on serial?
[18:38] <ppisati> ogra_: i recall there was a keyword or something
[18:45] <ogra_> just a proper console= option shoudl be enough iirc
[18:46] <ppisati> ogra_: never mind, i didn't see preEnv.txt-serial :P
[18:47] <ogra_> :)


[00:19] <CarlFK> "File dvsource-v4l2-other_0.1-1.debian.tar.xz already exists in PPA ..."   Is there a way to replace it?  all I am doing is trying to satisfy the build deps
[00:20] <CarlFK> and where did .debian come from?
[00:36] <wgrant> CarlFK: The debian.tar.* file contains the debian/ directory of the package.
[00:36] <wgrant> CarlFK: If you want to change a package, you must also change the version number in the changelog.
[00:36] <wgrant> You can't upload 0.1-1, and then later upload a 0.1-1 that is different.
[00:37] <CarlFK> wgrant: ok.  I'll keep bumping the -version
[04:22] <CarlFK> my package contains ./usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/dvsource-v4l2-other.py  but not the symlink .. which I expected to show up in my $path
[04:23] <CarlFK> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/216216218/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.dvsource-v4l2-other_0.2-ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[04:49] <wgrant> CarlFK: Which symlink do you expect and why?
[04:49] <wgrant> What happens when you build the package locally?
[04:50] <CarlFK> wgrant: lrwxrwxrwx 1 carl carl    22 Aug 30 03:03 dvsource-v4l2-other -> dvsource-v4l2-other.py
[04:51] <CarlFK> someone helped me package it and lead me to believe it would see the x bit and know to put it somewhere it could be x-ed ;)
[04:51] <CarlFK> when I build locally, I get a .deb but I didn't test to see what was in it
[04:52] <wgrant> You should test this locally until you get what you need.
[04:52] <CarlFK> there may have been a misunderstanding about what the dh-python? helper was doing
[04:52] <CarlFK> how do I test it?
[04:52] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[04:53] <wgrant> You were able to detect that the package built on Launchpad was wrong.
[04:53] <wgrant> Build it locally and perform the same detection.
[04:53] <wgrant> The same issue will appear locally, which makes debugging a lot easier.
[04:53] <CarlFK> I have  2nd box I was testing on using apt-get
[04:54] <CarlFK> guessing you mean dpkg -i on my dev box?
[04:54] <wgrant> Right, or the second box.
[04:55] <CarlFK> k - so how do I get that symlink put in /usr/bin (I guess that is where it should go?)  and maybe the .py also?  (I was surprised to hear it should go in site packages.)
[04:55] <wgrant> I am surprised to hear that also.
[04:55] <CarlFK> I think my helper thought this was a python module I would be importing.
[04:55] <wgrant> #ubuntu-packaging may be helpful.
[08:37] <xnox> cjwatson: cool.
[22:22] <tgm4883> Is there a built in way in launchpad to get an email when a source package is uploaded to a PPA when you aren't a member of the managing team?
[23:12] <cjwatson> tgm4883: Not currently.
[23:13] <cjwatson> It wouldn't be totally implausible to have archive subscriptions or some such, but they don't exist today.
[23:29] <cjwatson> tgm4883: (https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/200643)


[03:08] <technoviking> jcastro: I pinged on the RT? Have a meeting and one class tomorrow, but free other than that
[07:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:33] <bkerensa> good evening
[07:40] <jono> night all!
[07:40] <jussi> o/
[07:56] <bkerensa> so sad Apache 2.4 won't be in 12.04
[07:56] <bkerensa> :P
[07:57] <jussi> bkerensa: stop trolling :P :P :P
[07:57]  * jussi hugs bkerensa
[07:58] <bkerensa> jussi: Its ok I will make a PPA
[07:58] <bkerensa> :D
[07:59] <jussi> hehe
[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:10] <jussi> morning dholbach
[08:11] <dholbach> hey jussi
[09:23] <dholbach> in the apartment next door I think they are breaking down walls, burning down the wallpapers, slaughtering virgins and building bombs
[09:24] <dholbach> I think I'll go and work from somewhere else in a bit
[09:26] <bkerensa> dholbach: Heh... There are solutions for such issues :)
[09:26] <bkerensa> Very loud speakers... a nice subwoofer and amp
[09:26] <bkerensa> :D
[09:27] <dholbach> no, I think I'm going to take the dog for a walk and pay my friends a visit in the old office where I used to work before :)
[09:30] <bkerensa> dholbach: Good Stuff :)
[10:01] <dholbach> alright, packing my stuff - see you in a bit :)
[11:15] <s-fox> Hello.
[11:18] <bkerensa> dholbach: You back around?
[11:18] <dholbach> bkerensa, yes
[11:18] <dholbach> oh, thanks for the mail you sent
[11:18] <bkerensa> dholbach: Do you know why Unity3D would suddenly stop working but Unity2D is fine?
[11:19] <bkerensa> :D
[11:19] <dholbach> no idea
[11:19] <bkerensa> hmm
[11:19] <dholbach> anything interesting in ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg/*.log?
[11:19] <dholbach> if you find anything in there you could ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[11:20] <mainerror> Is there an Ubuntu Android thingy channel?
[11:21] <jussi> mainerror: I guess you could try #ubuntu-phone, but other than that no idea
[11:22] <mainerror> Thanks. :)
[11:22] <czajkowski> adding the ppa recommend in this bug has stopped compiz crashing
[11:22] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/926379
[11:22] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 926379 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in intel_miptree_release()" [High,Confirmed]
[11:23] <bkerensa> dholbach: Nothing tasty in either... Unity3D just wont load at all when I login through the Ubuntu profile but Unity 2D works fine... Hmmm
[11:23] <dholbach> best ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[12:33] <daker> i can't sign the agreement https://forms.canonical.com/contributor/ :/
[12:42] <cprofitt> daker: meaning the form does not work... or you are unwilling?
[12:52] <mhall119> good morning
[13:14] <bkerensa> I am 100% under the belief now that ranting at businesses over twitter provides immediate results
[13:14] <bkerensa> :D
[13:14] <bkerensa> I couldn't get my power bill after 3 days of calling and one simple tweet got it sorted :D
[13:18] <sense_> Yay for public accountability!
[13:22] <cprofitt> bkerensa: woah
[13:22] <cprofitt> that is impressive
[13:30] <mhall119> bkerensa: my wife has started doing that with our cable company
[13:30] <mhall119> their DVRs have formed a habit of dying after 2 or 3 months
[13:30] <mhall119> it used to be she sat on hold for hours with tech support, now she just tweets about it and we have a replacement on the way
[13:31] <bkerensa> mhall119: Heh comcast?
[13:31] <bkerensa> :D
[13:31] <mhall119> bkerensa: Brighthouse
[13:31] <bkerensa> Ahh
[13:31] <bkerensa> Yeah well... I have used Twitter to get fast results for a number of things
[13:32] <bkerensa> It was still frustrating dealing with this power company because I just wanted to give them money and they wouldnt tell me how much :D
[13:48] <jcastro> snap-l: heya
[13:48] <jcastro> wanna do that interview today?
[13:50] <mhall119> bkerensa: it's absurd when companies make it difficult for you to give them your money
[13:50] <bkerensa> mhall119: ikr
[13:50] <bkerensa> :D
[13:51] <bkerensa> mhall119: I guess the good news is that my bill was $162 less then the people who previously lived here
[13:51] <bkerensa> :D
[13:51] <snap-l> jcastro: What time would you like to do the interview?
[13:51] <jcastro> what's good for you?
[13:52] <snap-l> Around noon?
[13:52] <jcastro> perfect.
[13:52] <jcastro> phone?
[13:52] <snap-l> Phone, skype, whatever.
[13:52]  * jcastro will figure out how to record
[13:52] <snap-l> I have Skype Call Recorder
[13:52] <jcastro> oh perfect
[13:52] <jcastro> my wife has that but it's on her laptop and not here
[13:53] <jcastro> so if you could record it that would be <3 so I can transcribe it
[13:53] <snap-l> Sure thing
[13:53] <jcastro> it shouldn't take us more than 10minutes
[13:53] <snap-l> On my calendar.
[14:00] <jcastro> dholbach: dpm: balloons: mhall119: remember guys to ask if today's thing is in IRC or G+
[14:00] <dpm> jcastro, of course
[14:00] <jcastro> hey dpm
[14:00] <dpm> what!!? Are we having a meeting?
[14:00] <jcastro> so I want to have a charm contest, and I stole your app contest application thing
[14:01] <dpm> jcastro, no worries, I hope it's useful
[14:01] <jcastro> should I have a clause for employees?
[14:01] <jcastro> like, if someone got paid to do a charm and does one on their own time, that's good I guess.
[14:01] <jcastro> but it still feels kind of unfair
[14:01] <mhall119> jcastro: it's G+ as far as I know
[14:01] <jcastro> mhall119: I know it's  G+, I am saying, as soon as bacon joins
[14:02] <dpm> jcastro, good point. I'm jumping into a call, so I cannot discuss it right now, but yeah, that's something to bear in mind
[14:02] <jcastro> k
[14:22] <jcastro> mhall119: hah this guy on omg is awesome
[14:22] <jcastro> lenses are worthless, what we need is a new icon theme!
[14:23] <jcastro> mhall119: for the recipes
[14:23] <mhall119> jcastro: haters gotta hate
[14:23] <mhall119> jcastro: that's a nice lens though isn't it?
[14:23] <jcastro> an interesting use case would be search for "arroz con pollo"
[14:23] <jcastro> get the recipe
[14:23] <mhall119> I especially like how it has time and difficulty in the description
[14:23] <jcastro> then use the askubuntu lens to search cooking.stackexchange while you are making it
[14:23] <jcastro> sort of like, a multistep workflow
[14:24] <mhall119> hmmm, the dash isn't so great at that
[14:24] <jcastro> well, your recipe would be open in the browser already
[14:24] <jcastro> so it's like, open, search, close
[14:24] <jcastro> read for a while
[14:24] <jcastro> open, search, close again
[14:25] <mhall119> evidently the recipe website actually made some changes on their end for this lens' author
[14:25] <mhall119> which I thought was pretty cool
[14:25] <jcastro> wow, that's great
[14:26] <mhall119> sweet! Someone's already contributed a quicklist for totem
[14:28] <jcastro> I saw
[14:29] <jcastro> I had James Gifford do a partial collection back in the day
[14:29] <jcastro> https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesgifford/unity-quicklist-examples/trunk
[14:29] <jcastro> that might be worth investigating ^
[14:32] <mhall119> dholbach: ping
[14:32] <dholbach> mhall119, pong
[14:33] <mhall119> dholbach: I was warned yesterday that when people follow my blog and submit merge proposals with just their changes, that sponsors may ask them to use quilt to make deb patches
[14:33] <mhall119> I have no idea how that stuff works, so would you be able to help shephard contributors through that process?
[14:34] <mhall119> this Nekhelesh guy is kicking quicklist butt!
[14:34] <dholbach> sponsors will usually tell them what to do - I'd suggest to recommend http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/udd-patchsys.html#edit-patch
[14:35] <mhall119> dholbach: I tried to follow that, and must have done something wrong because it didn't seem to work right...
[14:35] <dholbach> ok - do you have the example still at hand?
[14:35] <dholbach> I mean - sure, I can answer questions, but it might be better to improve the docs so people know what to do - I don't scale very well :)
[14:35] <mhall119> maybe it's because it was 10pm, I'll try again with more coffee and fresher eyes
[14:35] <dholbach> sure, let me know how it goes
[14:35] <mhall119> ok
[14:44] <jcastro> mhall119: can we G+ for a few minutes before the team chat?
[14:45] <mhall119> jcastro: give me 15 minutes?
[14:46] <jcastro> sure
[15:01] <dholbach> how could we name a weekly Friday event where folks can come ask development questions and where we fix bugs together?
[15:01] <dholbach> Friday Bug-Fixing Drive? Anything more exciting and interesting? :)
[15:05] <jcastro> Fixit Fridays
[15:05] <dholbach> mhall119, if you want a quick run through how I'd go about fixing/changing geany, I can let you know
[15:06] <dholbach> nice
[15:06] <dholbach> I like Fixit Friday
[15:08] <mhall119> jcastro: ready when you are
[15:08] <mhall119> dholbach: I'd like that, I want to add more to the quicklist, but it'll  take code changes
[15:08] <mhall119> +1 on Fixit Friday
[15:09] <dholbach> mhall119, I'll have a look at it
[15:10] <jcastro> mhall119: ok firing it up!
[15:15] <dholbach> mhall119, http://paste.ubuntu.com/852781/ - sorry, there's a bit of German in there :)
[15:16] <dholbach> mhall119, the good thing about edit-patch is that it fires up 'dch' for you as well, so you get a nice changelog entry
[16:00] <jono> dholbach, dpm, jcastro, balloons, mhall119 going to be a few mins late, feel free to start hanging out and just invite me
[16:00] <dpm> jono, not sure about inviting you, but we'll start the hangout ;)
[16:00] <jcastro> hey are we on IRC or g+?
[16:01] <dholbach> jcastro, yeah, good question
[16:02] <jcastro> ok who is making the hang out
[16:02] <dpm> done
[16:02] <dpm> sent invite
[16:04] <dholbach> dpm, I guess you didn't only forget Jono but me as well? :-P
[16:04] <dholbach> ah no, it's just slow
[16:06] <balloons> hey.. filing some unity bugs atm.. I'll join your hngout dpm
[16:07] <dpm> balloons, no worries, just "hanging out" right now really
[17:01] <jono> all set?
[17:01] <jono> dholbach,
[17:01] <dholbach> yep
[17:02] <snap-l> jcastro: ping
[17:02] <jcastro> snap-l: let's do dis
[17:02] <jcastro> skype?
[17:02] <snap-l> si
[17:20] <jono> balloons, so did didrocks say grabbing the names from the test results is doable, so we can generate the web page?
[17:21] <balloons> jono, I didn't mention specifics to him.. just made sure he could help get the data out of launchpad
[17:21] <balloons> he said yes
[17:21] <jcastro> <--- lunch! bbi 20.
[17:21] <jono> balloons, ok, I think you might want to drive down to some specifics so we can plan the work out this week
[17:22] <jono> balloons, in the meantime can you start pulling together all the tests into a checkbox
[17:23] <balloons> yes, I am going to chat with kate about how to get it on the iso
[17:23] <balloons> that will move forward with the plan of how we're going to package the tests
[17:24] <balloons> i'll be chatting with the checkbox guys on that as well I'd imagine
[17:27] <jono> balloons, cool, could you flesh out the work items needed to deliver this in a Google Doc
[17:27] <jono> then we can make sure out the work is assigned to people
[17:27] <jono> as we are on a tight deadline
[17:27] <balloons> yes, I will do that after my talk with kate and have you take a look
[17:27] <jono> the good thing is that we laying down the foundations for beta2 testing too
[17:27] <jono> thanks balloons! :-)
[17:27] <jono> this is going to be ROCKING
[17:27] <balloons> make sure i'm not missing anything and get help on who to grab for the work :-)
[17:27] <jono> dpm, all set?
[17:28] <jono> balloons, indeed :-)
[17:28] <dpm> jono, yep!
[17:30] <dholbach> jcastro, are you sure https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagementRC6 is enabled by default?
[17:30] <dholbach> or do I need to enable it manually still?
[17:33] <dholbach> ok, it actually might be
[17:34] <balloons> dholbach, should be on by default afaik
[17:34] <dholbach> cool :)
[17:35] <dholbach> alrightie - I think I'm going to call it a day now and chat a bit with my old office mates
[17:35] <balloons> powertop show any difference in wattage?
[17:35] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:35] <balloons> bye dholbach .. enjoy!
[17:35] <dholbach> balloons, no scientific tests, but since I rebooted it looks a lot better
[17:35] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow :)
[18:38] <jcastro> mhall119: heya
[18:38] <mhall119> jcastro: heyo
[18:38] <jcastro> probably a good round 2 or three
[18:38] <mhall119> huh?
[18:39] <jcastro> but if this goes awesome we could probably use a round for these guys: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11705677&postcount=16
[18:39] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available
[18:39] <jcastro> oops sorry, mispaste
[18:39] <jcastro> basically like the quicklists, but for indicators, though these will be more complicated
[18:39] <jcastro> it'd be cool to get those guys maybe submitting the indicators to USC?
[18:40] <mhall119> jcastro: yeah, a but a good topic still, I'll write it up
[18:40] <jcastro> anyway since you blogged a big list I remembered this other list, heh
[18:40] <jcastro> though the barrier will be higher
[18:40] <jcastro> I wonder how many of these we can just ping the author "yo, here's developer.ubuntu.com, go get some."
[18:41] <mhall119> jcastro: I may blog the list, then ping the developer
[18:41] <mhall119> or the other way around...
[18:41] <jcastro> If I see Cas around I'll ping him
[18:41] <jcastro> he maintains the list, I wonder if he'd be willing to weed out the junky ones that don't work, etc.
[19:02] <davidcalle> jcastro, ping
[19:02] <jcastro> pong!
[19:02] <jcastro> hi dude!
[19:02] <davidcalle> hi!
[19:03] <davidcalle> jcastro, as an upstream, I need to have access to private bugs filed on my package and hggdh told me to ping you about it.
[19:04] <jcastro> I can put you in bug control
[19:04] <jcastro> what's your lpid?
[19:04] <davidcalle> davidc3
[19:04] <jcastro> done!
[19:04] <davidcalle> Thanks Jorge! :)
[19:04] <hggdh> davidcalle: welcome to Bug Control! :-)
[19:04]  * jcastro does the "great power, great responsibility" speech
[19:05] <s9iper1> :)
[19:05]  * hggdh endorses the speech
[19:05] <jcastro> hggdh: hey so, this is mhall119's domain now, can you add him as admin and I can show him how to do it?
[19:05]  * davidcalle is impressed by the speech.
[19:05] <hggdh> jcastro: certainly
[19:05] <jcastro> davidcalle: I trust you already to not go triaging libc6 bugs or something. :)
[19:06] <davidcalle> jcastro, evertyhing on Launchpad for more than two months should be marked as Fix Released, right?
[19:07] <jcastro> if only. :)
[19:08] <davidcalle> Hehe :)
[19:09] <hggdh> mhall119: you are now an admin on Bug Control. I repeat, in full, all of jcastro's speech on "Great Power, etc, etc"
[19:10] <jcastro> mhall119: I'll just chat with you on G+ on what that means, it's like, once a month you need to do it
[19:11] <hggdh> jcastro: so I understand that in the future we will bother mhall119, not you, re. upstreamers. Also, could you please update the wiki?
[19:11] <jcastro> yeah, the only reason I haven't is it hasn't come up yet, I'll update the wiki as soon as I explain to him what to do
[19:12] <hggdh> roj, thank you, dear sir
[19:17] <jono> jcastro, would you mind testing the accomp stuff?
[19:17] <jono> want to see if it works for you on Precise
[19:19] <jono> if anyone else on Precise wants to test Ubuntu Accomplishments, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Installing
[19:21] <jcastro> jono: I have to close off this legal stuff with amanda before she EODs
[19:21] <jcastro> jono: 30 min ok?
[19:21] <jcastro> she's almost done
[19:21] <jono> np
[19:22] <jcastro> this isn't so bad, it's just adding a bunch of lawyer stuff to the rules
[19:22] <jcastro> "oh and if this charm makes your computer explode you won't sue Canonical Ltd."
[19:23] <mhall119> hggdh: did you just give me spidey-powers?
[19:26] <hggdh> mhall119: the power to control bugcontrol...
[19:26] <hggdh> so not really spidey-powers, but near
[19:27] <mhall119> hggdh: so I can't cling to the walls of buildings?
[19:27] <hggdh> mhall119: well, you can try :-)
[19:28]  * hggdh is not responsible for any (un)expected results
[19:28] <hggdh> but I will sit down, with popcorn, and watch
[19:31] <s9iper1> :)
[19:34] <jono> brb rebooting
[19:53] <czajkowski> what is the command to uninstall a ppa ?
[19:54] <jono> ppa-purge
[19:55] <jono> czajkowski, http://bigbrovar.aoizora.org/index.php/2010/01/10/how-to-safely-remove-ppa-repository-from-ubuntu/
[19:55] <czajkowski> jono: thanks
[19:55] <jono> np
[19:55] <jono> lunch, brb
[19:58] <MrChrisDruif> jono; ppa-purge?
[19:58] <czajkowski> so need sleep :/
[19:58] <MrChrisDruif> I'd say "add-apt-repository -r"
[20:07] <mhall119> ppa-purge will uninstall any packages you installed from the ppa, or revert any packages that were upgraded from it
[20:12] <jcastro> ppa purge can be wonky too
[20:12] <jcastro> sometimes it messed up
[20:13] <jcastro> snap-l: can you PM me that dropbox URL with the audio?
[20:13] <jcastro> I had it in my copy paste buffer, which in linux is like, russian roulette
[20:14] <snap-l> hah
[20:16] <jono> balloons, doc looks good
[20:16] <jono> now break down the steps into work items with assignmentsa
[20:16] <jono> and then we can put deadlines on the work items
[20:16] <jono> and everything should fall in place
[20:16] <balloons> yes.. talking with kate again
[20:17] <jono> cool
[20:24] <jcastro> jono: ok so after I add my lp address
[20:24] <jcastro> it should figure out my stuff, and then award me some trophies right away right?
[20:25] <jono> jcastro, yep
[20:25] <jcastro> I like how the trophies have project logos on them
[20:25] <jcastro> that will enable other projects to just dive in
[20:25] <jcastro> zeitgeist, etc.
[20:25] <jcastro> ok it appears to be running and then I got an U1 thing that it is syncing
[20:26] <jono> ok maybe my server is not syncing, let me check
[20:26] <jcastro> hah cute, the U1 notification basically lets me cheat, it tells me "fridge-editor.trophy" is being uploaded before the trophy app itself tells me
[20:27] <jono> jcastro, yeah, I want to surpress them
[20:27] <jono> I have a bug open about it
[20:27] <jono> ok keep it open jcastro
[20:27] <jono> looks like U1 is slow on the server
[20:27] <jcastro> ok so my trophies are all correct and were awarded correctly in my .local/share/accomplishments/trophies
[20:27] <jcastro> the gui just hasn't caught up yet
[20:27] <jono> they are not awarded yet
[20:27] <jono> they havent been validated
[20:28] <jcastro> oh ok
[20:28] <jcastro> so that's like "things we think jorge has earned, let me go check."?
[20:28] <jono> hang fire
[20:28]  * jcastro nods
[20:29] <jcastro> hmm, we need trophy titles, that's what makes them so funny on the xbox
[20:29] <jono> aha
[20:29] <jono> U1 woke up :-)
[20:30] <jono> hang fire for a sec jcastro
[20:30] <jono> you should see your trophies coming
[20:30] <jcastro> hah, I went to the bathroom
[20:30] <jcastro> and blam, they started coming in
[20:30] <jono> :-)
[20:30] <jcastro> I got my 3!
[20:30] <jono> which ones?
[20:30] <jcastro> the ones I am supposed to have, member, fridge editor, launchpad
[20:30] <jono> cool
[20:31] <jono> well some others are unlocked now
[20:31] <jcastro> which is a funny one, since you need to be registered on launchpad to use the thing
[20:31] <jcastro> I guess that's the freebie
[20:31] <jono> so on the next check you should get the filed bug one
[20:31] <jcastro> I see it
[20:31] <jcastro> ok so it should sync again
[20:31] <jono> it checks every two mins
[20:31] <jcastro> and then realize I've done that, and I should get it in 2 minutes
[20:31] <jono> give it another min or so
[20:31]  * jcastro nods
[20:31] <jcastro> hah, freaking cool man
[20:31] <jono> :-)
[20:32] <jono> now all I need you to do is learn launchpadlib and contribute some accomplishments :-)
[20:32] <mhall119> there be dragons
[20:33] <jcastro> jono: and there it is, nice!
[20:33] <jono> :-)
[20:33] <mhall119> actually there be lazr.restful, which is worse than dragons
[20:33] <jcastro> we just need to fix these example ones to not be so spammy
[20:33] <jcastro> "filed first bug" is just asking for trouble
[20:33] <jono> possibly
[20:34] <jcastro> I think just narrowing it down would be  useful
[20:34] <mhall119> we need a way to revoke trophies "Filed a useless bug, we're not going to move the window controls"
[20:34] <jono> lol
[20:34] <jcastro> "submitted first bug crash" would be more useful because the person would be submitting something useful
[20:34] <mhall119> or maybe just auto-award troll-phies
[20:35] <jcastro> the one I want to see
[20:35] <jono> jcastro, did you get the Juju one?
[20:35] <jcastro> is "sabdfl'ed: One of your bug reports has been marked Opinion by Mark Shuttleworth".
[20:35] <jcastro> jono: my charm isn't official yet so I should not have gotten it (and I didn't)
[20:36] <jono> jcastro, cool
[20:36] <jcastro> theoretically I should receive it as soon as the upstream releases what I need to make it into the store"
[20:36] <jono> it checks if you are in the team
[20:36] <jono> jcastro, well not really
[20:36] <jono> it checks for team membership
[20:36] <jono> we another another accomp if it is in the store
[20:36] <jono> jcastro, so wanna write some?
[20:36] <jono> :-)
[20:36] <jcastro> hmmm, ok I think I found a bug
[20:37] <jcastro> I am in the team
[20:37] <jono> which team?
[20:37] <jcastro> ~charm-contributors
[20:37] <jono> right
[20:37] <jono> no trophy yet?
[20:37] <jcastro> nope
[20:37] <jono> it just hasnt synced down yet
[20:37] <jono> I see the trophy was created and signed
[20:38] <jono> for both -contributor and -reviewer
[20:38] <jcastro> shouldn't it have synced down with the 2nd time it synced?
[20:38] <jono> yeah, but U1 may be being a little slow
[20:38] <jono> I see it in the share, so it should sync soon
[20:38] <jcastro> ah ok
[20:38] <jcastro> I don't think being realtime is important anyway
[20:38] <mhall119> I don't understand why it would be slow, running on that big iron
[20:38] <jono> indeed
[20:38] <jono> particularly as it happens in the background
[20:38] <jcastro> actually, you might want to artifically make it so you can't get like 3 of them at once
[20:39] <jcastro> like on the xbox it spaces them out even if you win them at once
[20:39] <jcastro> that way it's not like "OH I AM AWESOME" one minute, and then you spend 3 weeks with nothing.
[20:39] <jono> jcastro, maybe
[20:40] <jono> I think people just need to deal with their insecurities instead
[20:40] <jono> lol
[20:40] <jcastro> heh
[20:40] <jono> but good idea
[20:40] <jono> there are tonnes of refinements we can make to it
[20:40] <jcastro> these are totally killer for the human mind
[20:40] <jcastro> I used to rent games
[20:40] <jono> jcastro, glad it works for you
[20:40] <jcastro> play them just for accomplishments
[20:40] <jcastro> and then return it
[20:40] <jcastro> I wouldn't even bother to finish the game
[20:40] <jono> lol
[20:40] <jcastro> I just wanted the trophies
[20:40] <jono> this is why the choice of accomplishments needs to be carefully considere
[20:41]  * jcastro nods
[20:41] <jono> I want to reduce people gaming thew system
[20:41] <jcastro> well, people will game it, I think the trick is, to make it so that even if people game it they end up doing something that is useful to the project.
[20:41] <jcastro> let's say I game "reported a crasher". It's still a useful dump.
[20:41] <jono> indeed
[20:41] <jono> and it is all about new experiences
[20:41] <jono> not traffic
[20:41]  * jcastro nods
[20:41] <jono> 50 bug comments = not useful
[20:42] <jono> first bug report = useful
[20:42] <jono> as they actually filed a bug
[20:42] <jono> and now know how to do it
[20:42] <jcastro> I would say first confirmed bug, but I am just bikeshedding
[20:43] <jcastro> jono: fyi when you click on a trophy the highlight is orange and the trophy is orange, so it gets all invisible
[20:43] <jono> I see how you carefully avoided my questions about if you will write some Juju accomplishments ;-)
[20:43] <jono> jcastro, yup, I saw that
[20:43] <jono> I will file a bug
[20:43] <jcastro> I will certainly improve my descriptions now that I realize you asked for one thing and not the other
[20:44] <jono> cool
[20:44] <jcastro> and I will evade the accomplishments writing by saying I will have a guy look at doing it, but once he's done with some charms.
[20:44] <jono> the main thing I need now are more accomplishments
[20:44] <jono> lol, that's right, shovel it onto some poor soul
[20:44] <jono> :-)
[20:44] <jcastro> that won't be a problem, I am kind of maxed out on people doing things for juju though
[20:44] <jono> learning a bit of launchpadlib might be useful
[20:44] <jono> it is really handy
[20:45] <jcastro> well, popey and I signed up for this "learn how to code" thing
[20:45] <jcastro> which is useful, but not enough where I can dive in
[20:45] <jcastro> of course the onus is on me to find other ways to contribute to it, I've just been kind of slammed with work
[20:45] <jcastro> I mean, I want to help you more, but my boss is always on me about work stuff
[20:45] <jcastro> maybe you can help me out?
[20:46] <jono> lol
[20:46] <jono> excuses excuses
[20:46] <jono> j/k
[20:46] <jcastro> hey
[20:46] <jcastro> have you thought about hidden trophies?
[20:46] <jcastro> like, "accidental ones"
[20:47] <jcastro> hmm, this is one thing that would be hard with OSS
[20:47] <jcastro> so on some games they don't tell you what the achievements all are
[20:47] <jcastro> so you earn like "10 out of 25"
[20:47] <jcastro> and the manual tells you the 10
[20:47] <jono> could be an interesting option in the future
[20:47] <jcastro> and then you have to go figure out what the other 15 are.
[20:48] <jcastro> it drives me crazy
[20:50] <akgraner> jono and jcastro you two make me laugh and totally make me miss being active in this channel :-P
[20:51] <jcastro> linaro got you busy?
[20:56] <balloons> yay for rain! finally, so so dry here
[20:57] <jcastro> jono: call in 3?
[20:58] <jono> akgraner, :-)
[20:58] <jono> jcastro, yup
[20:58] <akgraner> jcastro, yep
[20:58] <jcastro> akgraner: hey alright!
[20:59] <akgraner> jcastro, it's totally awesome
[20:59] <akgraner> (but shhh don't tell your boss but it makes me respect him more)
[21:00] <akgraner> this community building stuff isn't as easy as you all make it look - but it's freakin fun and exciting :-)
[21:00] <jono> akgraner, :-)
[21:01]  * akgraner goes back to work now... just popping in to say hi!
[21:02] <jono> jcastro, sending invite now
[21:02] <jcastro> \m/
[21:07]  * MrChrisDruif still need to look at jono's youtube upload ^_^
[21:14]  * balloons waves at akgraner
[21:15] <akgraner> hey balloons so I'm getting a new iso from today b/c yesterday's build ubiquity segfaulted on me
[21:17] <akgraner> and when I updated my main machine I had to re-install the ubuntu desktop with ^ b/c I couldn't get the hud to install (all b/c I had removed qwibber)
[21:17] <mhall119> jcastro: rebooted, but no significant drop in power usage
[21:18] <mhall119> I have a core 2 duo though, so maybe too old to benefit
[21:21] <akgraner> mhall119, I'm following Michelle's bug filing technique atm :-)
[21:21] <balloons> akgraner, if you reinstall
[21:21] <balloons> hud and unity 5.4 are in the archive..
[21:22] <mhall119> akgraner: modified to fit your household I hope
[21:22]  * mhall119 has enough bugs to file
[21:22] <balloons> so by default you should get uunity 5.4 that includes hud.. no need for ppa's atm fyi
[21:22] <akgraner> :-)  yep re-installing my test machine now
[21:22] <balloons> i have another unity bug to file too
[21:22] <balloons> so many today
[21:25] <czajkowski> precise was oh so stable till last week
[21:25] <czajkowski> friday evening lost my dekstop
[21:25] <czajkowski> today everything is slow to redraw and freezing
[21:25] <czajkowski> feature freeze = broken machine :/
[21:26] <balloons> gotta push the last of it in
[21:26] <balloons> you know that :-)
[21:26] <czajkowski> yeah wish some testing had been done before landing :/
[21:26] <czajkowski> having no desktop and having to wait 4 hrs for a fix is a bit a pita :/
[21:26]  * balloons shamefully lowers his head
[21:27] <balloons> czajkowski, we actually did test.. alot in fact
[21:27] <balloons> so.. it could have been worse? I guess that's conselation?
[21:27] <balloons> :-)
[21:27] <czajkowski> balloons: aye you cant test for all test cases I'm fully aware
[21:27] <czajkowski> just seems since feature freeze a lotta stuff is very broken which was fine till now
[21:27] <balloons> we'll get better.. we've got good stuff planned moving forward
[21:28] <czajkowski> yup everything always improves
[21:28] <czajkowski> it's all good even if a little bit frustating but thats why I test unstable :)
[21:28] <balloons> we want to show <3 to anyone brave enough to run the development version.. We need the active feedback
[21:28] <czajkowski> yup filing the bugs and working on them with devs
[21:29] <czajkowski> working on my redraw and compiz today with bryceh
[21:31] <jono> balloons, all set?
[21:31] <jono> mhall119, btw, cool how you are updating the post with saying things are done
[21:32] <jono> but the bugs linked in the post that are done dont seem to be updated or have links to branches
[21:32] <akgraner> looks like a successful re-install :-)
[21:32] <balloons> yearp
[21:33] <jono> balloons, sending an invite
[21:34] <mhall119> jono: yeah, I didn't have them using --fixes lp:12345 on their commit, so I've been manually linking branches to bugs
[21:35] <jono> mhall119, gotcha
[22:19] <AlanBell> balloons: you just achieved the sabdfl'ed accomplishment
[22:20] <balloons> yes indeed
[22:20] <AlanBell> or close to it anyhow :)
[22:20] <balloons> pretty epic
[22:25] <bkerensa> heh
[22:25] <bkerensa> jono how do I install accomplishments?
[22:28] <ahayzen> bkerensa: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Installing
[22:29] <jono> bkerensa, just read my blog entry it explains how
[22:36] <bkerensa> jono: When are we going to have  joint list for regional Canonical workers and LoCo's
[22:36] <bkerensa> :)
[22:36] <jono> bkerensa, a what?
[22:36] <bkerensa> jono: a list I can ping when we have events that local Canonical employees see
[22:36] <bkerensa> :)
[22:37] <jono> bkerensa, that Canonical employees see?
[22:37] <AlanBell> that isn't the right way to approach that issue
[22:37] <AlanBell> "how can we encourage all canonical employees to sign up to their LoCo mailing lists?" would be a better question
[22:37] <bkerensa> my POC stopped working for Canonical at least temporarily so I don't know if that person still has access to the local Canonical mailing list to ping the locals
[22:38] <jono> AlanBell, agreed
[22:39] <bkerensa> AlanBell: That would be nice but I think what has happened at least locally is that the folks out here are on so many mailing list and channels even that if they can skip one more e-mail it makes their day much easier
[22:39] <bkerensa> I have generally just sent event announcements upstream through a Canonical POC
[22:39] <jono> bkerensa, if Canonical people dont want to attend, there isnt much we can do about it
[22:39] <jono> and Canonical people should be treated no differently to any other people
[22:39] <jono> either in a good or bad way :-)
[22:40] <jono> well, maybe a good way
[22:40] <jono> lol
[22:40] <bkerensa> jono: Its not about not wanting to attend more about them not wanting to subscribe to ML :D
[22:40] <bkerensa> jono: Oh no mistreating the Canonical folks eh? :P
[22:40] <czajkowski> balloons: some loco ml are rather noisy
[22:40] <jono> bkerensa, right, but we shouldnt force them to
[22:40] <jono> they should want to
[22:40]  * AlanBell suspects there are more than 8 canonical people in the UK
[22:40] <czajkowski> balloons: they could already be on enough ml tbh
[22:40] <jono> bkerensa, and not everyone is interested in LoCos
[22:40] <AlanBell> but that is how many are signed up to the uk mailing list with a canonical.com address
[22:41] <bkerensa> AlanBell: Only 8? Wow... We have at least 8 in just Portland and one or two across the state
[22:41] <popey> AlanBell: how many with an ubuntu.com address?
[22:41] <AlanBell> popey: probably some more that way, but I do know that if I mail stuff to the mailing list I have to go poke people separately to get it circulated at millbank
[22:42] <AlanBell> 13 @ubuntu.com addresses in total (one is jono)
[22:43] <bkerensa> heh
[22:44] <bkerensa> There are five ubuntu.com addresses on our list
[22:44] <technoviking> afternoon all
[22:45] <bkerensa> technoviking: Ello
[22:45] <AlanBell> it isn't massively meaningful (I am subscribed with a gmail account), but I do know that if there are events and things we are doing in London Canonical folk don't get to hear about them unless I go to Millbank tower and print out a flyer and stick it on the fridge
[22:45] <popey> 5 of the 13 work for canonical
[22:46] <popey> I'm happy to forward mails to the millbank list
[22:47] <AlanBell> that is great
[22:47] <jcastro> jono: ping
[22:48] <jcastro> jono: do you have a link to our graphs handy?
[22:48] <jono> jcastro, charms?
[22:48] <jcastro> I have kapil on G+ and I'd like to show him our team graphs
[22:48] <jono> jcastro, which graphs?
[22:48] <jcastro> no, the ones daniel and mhall use
[22:48] <jono> sure, one sec
[22:50] <czajkowski> AlanBell: as can I :)
[22:51] <jono> czajkowski, mhall119, cjohnston, daker, good to join the LoCo Call in 9?
[22:52] <AlanBell> yeah, the number of pokeable people is expanding all the time, but I still think there is a place for some more internal awareness of LoCo teams
[22:52] <czajkowski> jono: yup
[22:52] <AlanBell> night all o/
[22:52] <jono> awesome
[22:52] <czajkowski> AlanBell: there could just be a lack of interest in locos
[22:52] <jono> night AlanBell!
[22:52]  * AlanBell is in London tomorrow
[22:52] <czajkowski> AlanBell: nn
[22:53] <cjohnston> I'm out this week
[22:53]  * czajkowski has been up since 6:30
[22:53] <czajkowski> the wrong day to get up early
[23:01] <jono> czajkowski, mhall119, daker creating hangout
[23:01] <czajkowski> ok
[23:03] <czajkowski> jono: not seeing the notification
[23:04] <czajkowski> got it
[23:23] <jcastro> AlanBell: around?
[23:28] <mhall119> jono: forgot about the hangout, is it still going on?
[23:32] <jcastro> man dude
[23:32] <jcastro> snap-l: I have an awesome story
[23:33] <jcastro> jono: feel free to listen in and make fun of me
[23:33] <jcastro> hey so growing up "my" Maiden was like Somewhere in Time and things like 7th song, never really things like Killers and the old stuff
[23:33] <jcastro> so when I really got into Maiden was in the mp3 age
[23:33] <jcastro> so I've never actually listened to Killers in order
[23:33] <jcastro> always in shuffle
[23:34] <jcastro> anyway, on Sirius they /always/ play Ides of March and Wrathchild as one song
[23:34] <jcastro> not like, the MP3's where it's separate songs.
[23:34] <jcastro> anyway, after hearing it, I feel like I missed the entire experience of having 2 songs being back to back like that.
[23:34] <jcastro> and that's my story
[23:35] <jcastro> actually, that story isn't awesome at all
[23:36] <mhall119> cool story bro
[23:36] <mhall119> :)
[23:37] <jcastro> actually, when Ides came on the radio my wife went "Ohh, Rush!", then it got all Maiden.
[23:37] <jcastro> snap-l: agree with me here
[23:37] <mhall119> *crickets*
[23:38] <jcastro> mhall119: I don't think it's been made clear enough that post-work hours this channel is really #ubuntu-metal.
[23:47] <jono> mhall119, nope, we quit it
[23:47] <jono> jcastro, I know what you mean, man
[23:47] <mhall119> jono: sorry, I forgot we were starting them back up
[23:47]  * mhall119 was reading to the kids
[23:47] <jono> mhall119, no worries
[23:54] <snap-l> jcastro: It's not until recently that I too got into Maiden
[23:54] <snap-l> but I bought the CD
[23:54] <snap-l> because I rip FLAC. :)
[23:56] <snap-l> although I have had some weird recommendations when people find out that I like Rush
[23:56] <snap-l> s/like/love/
[23:56] <snap-l> LIke at Holland CD, the owner recommended I check out Golden Earring
[23:57] <snap-l> Pretty sure Radar Love is not the same as The Fountain of Lamneth


[06:10] <mup> PR operator#714 closed: Added notes on cutting a release to HACKING.md <Created by pengale> <Merged by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/714>
[14:59] <mup> PR operator#716 opened: Updated docs on planned units <Created by pengale> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/716>
[16:39] <mup> PR operator#705 closed: Avoid issuing relation_changed events with no data delta <Created by mmanciop> <Merged by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/705>


[00:07] <rstricklin> I see how it's done with shell scripts, and in fact am doing that already with the postinstall shell scripts that implement my custom menu items.
[00:07] <rstricklin> but I need to understand the way the file descriptors are set up, and what they're connected to (and when, and under what circumstances) to get ruby set up correctly to do it.
[00:08] <rstricklin> and when not to repeat which steps to avoid blowing up what the main-menu is already doing for me


[10:09] <l1ght> Morning gentlemen, I can't post under the name l1ght on #ubuntu?
[10:10] <l1ght> I have tried /parting and /joining ?
[10:15] <Myrtti> l1ght: have you tried saying something after joining?
[10:27] <Myrtti> yes, no?
[10:34] <tsimpson> l1ght: if you don't respond, we can't help you
[11:40] <l1ght> Well thanks for kicking me.
[11:40] <l1ght> [14:40] == Cannot send to channel: #ubuntu
[11:40] <l1ght> And I even rejoined the server.
[11:41] <l1ght> reconnected*
[11:43] <l1ght> Nobody is active itc, yet I get blamed for not being active, after waiting half a hour for a response..
[11:46] <bazhang> l1ght, we are volunteers; you were asked to respond and did not
[11:47] <l1ght> I know that bazhang, any idea?
[11:49] <tsimpson> l1ght: you joined as l1ght_, then changed to l1ght, you must /part and re-/join when you change nicks
[11:49] <l1ght> Arleady did...
[11:50] <l1ght> [14:49] <l1ght> Morning [14:49] == Cannot send to channel: #ubuntu
[11:50] <l1ght> Does not work.
[11:51] <l1ght>  /parted and /joined a few times
[11:51] <l1ght> inb4
[11:51] <tsimpson> you should be able to send to the channel, there's nothing stopping it
[11:52] <l1ght> yet I can't....
[11:54] <l1ght> Sorry for having this attitude but I just can't...
[12:03] <AlanBell> still not working l1ght?
[12:07] <tsimpson> l1ght: can you try again?
[12:07] <l1ght> [15:07] <l1ght> Morning [15:07] == Cannot send to channel: #ubuntu
[12:08] <l1ght> oh the lulz.
[12:08] <tsimpson> try now, it takes a second for the bots to catch up
[12:08] <tsimpson> without /parting
[12:08] <bazhang> it works
[12:08] <l1ght> oh sure thing
[12:08] <l1ght> sorry
[12:08] <l1ght> thanks
[12:08] <l1ght> have a nice day
[12:08] <l1ght> :)
 isnt grep a ubuntu command?
[18:09] <ardchoille> I would like to suggest a link that may help users understand the diff between sudo su and sudo -i
[18:09] <ardchoille> That link is on the ubuntu forums written by a user who knows the diff
[18:09] <ardchoille> the link is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6188826&postcount=4
[18:09] <ardchoille> Can this link be added to one of the sudo bot factoids?
[18:10] <ardchoille> I feel it would help the community a great deal. Thank you for listening :)
[18:12] <ardchoille> Anyone with any info/questions about my proposal may feel free to pm me if need be, I don't want to stay in this channel longer than necessary.


[13:15] <imrankhakoo> hello, i'm having issues bootstrapping a bionic juju controller. I'm not seeing anything obviously wrong in  the cloud-init logs of the bootstrap node, but it's stuck with the following output:
[13:16] <imrankhakoo> Launching controller instance(s) on maas...
[13:16] <imrankhakoo>  - xbcq4n (arch=amd64 mem=4G cores=1)
[13:16] <imrankhakoo> Installing Juju agent on bootstrap instance
[13:16] <imrankhakoo> Fetching Juju GUI 2.12.1
[13:16] <imrankhakoo> Waiting for address
[13:16] <imrankhakoo> Attempting to connect to <IP_ADDRESS>:22
[13:16] <imrankhakoo> Connected to <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:16] <imrankhakoo> Running machine configuration script...
[13:17] <imrankhakoo> any ideas? This worked fine 2 weeks ago. i did do an apt upgrade in the meantime, so possibly a regression?
[13:31] <gnuoy> Am I right in thinking there is no way to influence where juju looks locally for a charm? I have a bundle that references a local copy of a charm and I'd like the ability to influence where juju looks for that local charm. There used to be JUJU_REPOSITORY env variable or juju deploy --repository= but it seems both are gone
[13:31] <gnuoy> https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.3/reference-environment-variables#juju_repository-(deprecated)
[13:51] <balloons> gnuoy, you can specify path to the charm when deploying. Does that help?
[13:51] <gnuoy> balloons, in a bundle ?
[13:51] <balloons> imrankhakoo, does the container have networking connectivity if you ssh in?
[13:51] <balloons> imrankhakoo, are you running lxd 3.0 now?
[13:52] <gnuoy> balloons, actually, the desire is that the bundle has "charm: ./myapp" rather than any other path
[13:53] <balloons> gnuoy, I think this will help: https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.3/charms-offline-deploying
[13:58] <gnuoy> balloons, I've been a bit vague about my use case, sorry. Basically I want to include an example bundle with a charm and be able to run it irrespective of where the charm has been downloaded too. I had originally used a relative path in the bundle "charm: ../../app" but I'd rather do "charm: ./app" and somehow manipualte where juju looks for the local charm. I'm really after exactly what JUJU_REPOSITORY env variable used to do
[14:31] <cory_fu> jamespage: Any objection to me cutting a release of charmhelpers?  It seems that https://github.com/juju/charm-helpers/pull/150 at least is critical for several charms, including CDK
[14:39] <balloons> gnuoy, sadly I don't know the answer, but I think it should be possible
[14:54] <cory_fu> I'll take that as "no problem"  ;)
[15:05] <cory_fu> Cynerva, tvansteenburgh: 0.18.8 is release
[15:05] <cory_fu> d
[15:06] <Cynerva> thanks cory_fu