[12:40] <davmor2> /join #ubuntu-devel
[15:01] <cr3> ara: ping, are you observing the same behavior as me when running the update system desktop test: only runs one, fails subsequent times
[15:02] <ara> cr3: not me
[15:02] <ara> cr3: does it always happen to you?
[15:04] <cr3> ara: yep, I'll just confirm that once again.. sec
[15:06] <ara> cr3: It is because it waits for the policykit
[15:06] <ara> cr3: gksu
[15:07] <ara> cr3: and it does not appear again. I will change the test to bypass that in case the sudo user is already identified
[15:09] <cr3> ara: desktop testing is a pain, isn't it :)
[15:09] <ara> cr3: :-)
[15:10] <cr3> ara: maybe there should be a gksu component in your suite, so that other applications don't have to remember to perform that logic
[15:10] <cr3> ara: ok, so after rebooting, the test passes. seems like you put your finger on the problem
[15:10] <ara> is there already :-)
[15:10] <ara> cr3: one question I wanted to ask you about ubuntu-desktop-testing packaging branch
[15:11] <ara> cr3: is a branch from ubuntu-tests, therefore i can merge easily changes to it from ubuntu-tests, but to merge changes from testing-library i have to do it manually
[15:11] <ara> cr3: is there a way in bazaar to say that ubuntutesting folder in packaging branch actually comes from ubuntutesting folder from testing-library?
[15:12] <ara> cr3: that would keep the history when I merge changes
[15:13] <cr3> ara: I thought we agreed that you would create a trunk for your project instead of maintaining two branches, have things changed since our conversation?
[15:15] <cr3> if these are indeed two projects, then they should be identified as such in Launchpad as two projects. the current state of branches under the ubuntu-desktop-testing project is not what I would recommend.
[15:15] <ara> cr3: but you created packaging from ubuntu-tests. what do you recommend now?
[15:16] <cr3> ara: after reviewing my branch, you were supposed to create a trunk from that branch which would've become the main series of your project
[15:17] <ara> cr3: mmm, ok. I was a bit confused about what we had decided in the end. OK, I'll do that
[15:17] <cr3> ara: then, since the project would be packageable, I could've proposed to create a PPA for your project. that would be nice for your users :)
[15:17] <cr3> ara: wait a sec, I wouldn't mind revisiting whether you are still comfortable with that
[15:18] <ara> cr3: no, i think is a good solution
[15:18] <ara> cr3: about the PPAs... they are already at https://launchpad.net/~apulido/+archive
[15:19] <cr3> ara: first, are you still comfortable maintaining the library and the tests in the same codebase? when we discussed this, we thought it would be easier to maintain for now
[15:20] <cr3> ara: second, since we are now considering inclusion in universe, are you still comfortable with the current names?
[15:22] <ara> cr3: about the names... maybe we should include 'desktop' in the package names
[15:22] <cr3> ara: I agree
[15:22] <ara> cr3: i.e. ubuntu-desktop-tests & desktop-testing-library
[15:23] <cr3> ara: also, can the code in the testing-library be considered a contrib to the upstream ldtp which could eventually make it in the upstream codebase?
[15:24] <ara> cr3: no, because it is not modifying the ldtp code. it is only a wrapper
[15:26] <ara> cr3: about having the same codebase... I have to think about it, because if we port the library to UME, we could reuse the tests.
[15:28] <ara> cr3: maybe we could leave as the same codebase for this cycle and, if later UME uses the library, then we could separate it in two projects for next cycle
[15:28] <ara> cr3: for this one it would be enough with one
[15:29] <cr3> ara: I need to head to the datacenter and I will think about this some more on my way, mostly in respect to integration with checkbox
[15:29] <ara> cr3: ok, see you later
[15:29] <cr3> or integration with anything for that matter :)
[17:13] <davmor2> Is there a meeting tonight anyone?
[22:13] <gsd> Hey, I have a small issue.. I've been using intrepid for the past week and its been going smoothly, I just recently updated and I finished cutting my firmware for my wireless card (bcm43), so i did a reboot, now I am not able to login with the error "Authenticaton failed" I rebooted and went into recovery mode and changed my password, and I am still getting "authentication failed" when trying to log in. Any idea
[22:19] <slangasek> gsd: bug #259867
[22:20] <slangasek> gsd: since you can't log in, you will have to reboot into recovery mode; my apologies for the breakage, a fixed package is on its way
[22:20] <gsd> Ah no problem, thanks. ;)


[01:42] <TheLordOfTime> since #ubuntu has decided to troll instead of help, I"ve got a zombie sh process that I'd like to terminate... how do I do that
[02:00] <rbasak> TheLordOfTime: the zombie's parent needs to wait on it, or the parent needs to die and init will wait on it. But really there's no need. A zombie process is dead as far as everything is concerned. It only remains so that the parent can observe its demise without a race.
[02:01] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak, so there's nothing bad about letting a defunct sh process sit there...
[02:01] <TheLordOfTime> (I've reported to upstream of the parent program that the system isn't grabbing the information about the process's death)
[02:02] <rbasak> TheLordOfTime: not really. Except that its parent should wait on it. Depending on what the parent does, there's a risk that it'll fill up the process table with zombie processes.
[02:03] <rbasak> TheLordOfTime: OTOH if the parent will eventually wait on it (eg. when it needs to start another child), then there's not really a problem, apart from slight sysadmin annoyance.
[02:03] <rbasak> Of course it could indicate a different bug in the parent.
[02:04] <TheLordOfTime> i doubt the parent process is going to wait on it
[02:04] <TheLordOfTime> ZNC isn't nice that way when it spawns sh
[02:04] <TheLordOfTime> :/
[02:04] <TheLordOfTime> unfortunately the system's got upwards of 75 users on it...
[02:04] <TheLordOfTime> so i can't exactly restart the parent process
[02:10] <rbasak> Sometimes a parent wants to background child processes, and isn't set up to be able to wait on a child. Eg. Python's subprocess module, which IIRC can only wait on backgrounded processes when a new process is started because of the way it's arranged.
[02:11] <TheLordOfTime> yeah, well, i'm going to just chmod 000 the module that spawns those `sh` processes anyways..
[02:11] <TheLordOfTime> that way i don't have it sitting there lagging out the parent process
[02:11] <TheLordOfTime> (which is kinda what's happening)
[02:11] <TheLordOfTime> i've got to install the kernel updates anyways, and maintenance reboot...
[02:12] <TheLordOfTime> that should not only terminate the zombies with cybernetic oblivion... it should also fix everything.
[03:14] <qubits> ello
[04:18] <pentest> getting this with Xubuntu alternate CD 12.04lts
[04:18] <pentest> http://imgur.com/19Gkzfr
[04:18] <pentest> can anyone help
[04:20] <pentest> trying to build a LTSP environment
[05:38] <justanotheruser> Hi, I'm trying to connect to a VPN using nm-applet, but everytime I try to connect it says "The VPN connection 'vpn name' failed because the connection attempt timed out". An hour ago I had no problems, but now I can't connect to any of my servers
[09:28] <soren> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~soren/python-jenkins/add-crumb/+merge/188155
[09:28] <jamespage> soren, ooo
[09:28]  * jamespage looks
[09:28] <soren> jamespage: I have a hunch that might disappear in the noise of the scores and scores of mp's I'm sure you have to look at each day.
[09:29] <jamespage> soren, :-)
[09:31] <jamespage> soren, OK - I'm mid deployment of an openstack havana test environment right now
[09:31] <jamespage> I'll take a look PM today
[09:34] <soren> jamespage: Cool.
[09:58] <eagles0513875> hey guys I have migrated 2 websites of mine to a new server and im getting an error saying the following Your PHP installation appears to be missing the MySQL extension which is required by WordPress.  I have installed the  following  php extension  php5-mysql
[09:58] <eagles0513875> im a bit stumped as to what else i would be missing do i need the native msql driver?
[10:08] <lifeless> hallyn: still in europe?
[10:10] <lifeless> cause if you are, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1233075 may entertain you.
[10:13] <smb> lifeless, It would help a lot if you had also the top of the stack trace which includes the exact kernel version
[10:14] <lifeless> smb: I would love to have it
[10:14] <lifeless> smb: I'm obtaining this from an ilo textcons, which is 80x25 only
[10:15] <lifeless> smb: as it happens in early userspace I can't even attempt a login - there is no getty yet
[10:15] <lifeless> nor even the fallback logic glue for when root fails to mount
[10:15] <smb> lifeless, Ok, you probably could manually mount the cloud image you use and check there.
[10:16] <lifeless> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/3/19/554
[10:16] <lifeless> looks very similar
[10:17] <smb> Yeah at least flexbg stuff as well and probably something occuring in upstream stable too.
[10:17] <lifeless> smb: I'm not sure what you mean by manually mount the cloud image and check..
[10:17] <smb> Thats why I would be interested to know which kernel version of us this happens on and whether maybe there is already something int the pipes
[10:18] <lifeless> smb: oh, you want the kernel version?
[10:18] <smb> yes
[10:18] <lifeless> linux-image-generic, latest as of a few hours ago
[10:18] <lifeless> when I built the image; apt-get updated in there
[10:18] <smb> ok
[10:18] <lifeless> I'm just building a quantal image now to see if it happens there
[10:19] <lifeless> I had a bunch of machines deploying perfectly with quantal 4 months back or so
[10:19] <lifeless> from memory
[10:19] <lifeless> but we've twiddled our fs creation code since then too...
[10:20] <smb> Ah, hm, so it may or may not be present in original raring or have been caused by a stable change. we would not know
[10:21] <lifeless> yup
[10:22] <lifeless> or it might be present in Q as well and depend on the ext4 fs we're creating.
[10:22] <lifeless> That I'll know in a little bit
[11:23] <lifeless> smb: quantal worked fine.
[11:25] <smb> lifeless, ok, so somewhere between that and now... would you have the option of trying an older raring kernel in the image?
[11:26] <smb> 3.8.0-19.29 would have been on the release and 3.8.0-31.46 is in theory the current one
[11:29] <lifeless> smb: notnow, but toss it in the bug and I'll see about us doing some track-down for you
[11:30] <smb> lifeless, ok will do as well as probably asking for latest saucy (to check whether it might have been fixed but just not backported)
[12:09] <MACscr> ok, if im doing a hostname schema like http://foo.bar.domain.com/, should i make my /etc/hostname entries foo.bar?
[12:09] <MACscr> oops, li meant like foo.bar.domain.com
[12:10] <zul> jamespage:  lovely the neutron tests are timing ut
[12:14] <mardraum> MACscr: no, the host is "foo"
[12:15] <jamespage> zul, \o/
[12:16] <MACscr> mardraum: should the domain in /etc/resolv.conf be just domain.com? seems to be .net.domain.com because my routers hostname is fw1.net.domain.com
[12:17] <mardraum> if you mean the "search" parameter, it can be anything you like. but it is most useful probably in you sub-domain. It's also entirely optional and won't break things to not have it.
[12:18] <mardraum> unless you rely on referring to local machines by host only, which I would not advise you do usually
[12:22] <MACscr> mardraum: these hostnames will be used only internally, so just trying to make sure i am doing it right. guess i have no option but to manually create a dnsmasq entry for each server so they can communicate with each other by their fqdn
[12:23] <mardraum> usually, you would just setup your dns zone propery
[12:23] <mardraum> properly
[12:23] <mardraum> you shouldn't be manually adding things on servers, if that's what you mean?
[12:24] <MACscr> im talking about dnsmasq on the pfsense system (aka, the router)
[12:25] <MACscr> these systems will only have internal ip addresses
[12:25] <mardraum> I have no idea what you are talking about then
[12:25] <mardraum> internal? as in rfc1918? that does not preclude you getting DNS sorted out in any way.
[12:26] <mardraum> you can even do it with the same DNS server if you wanted via zones
[12:26] <mardraum> personally I like to keep them separate
[12:29] <MACscr> well for internal dns, i am thinking a simple dns forwarder (dnsmasq) on the gateway is the best route to go. Which means that all the servers have <IP_ADDRESS> as their dns entry, then it queries the dnsmasq entries before it queries the public dns servers
[12:52] <z302> I am installing ubuntu-server 13.04 in expert mode. Any real difference between choosing the kernel linux-generic and linux-server? the main purpose of the machine is BOINC (basically, there will be a GUI and several math threads at 100% cpu running all the time).
[12:54] <z302> I ask this because I already googled, but I found out that "Since 12.04, there is no difference between the Desktop linux-generic and Server linux-server kernels; they have been merged.".  I am confused.
[13:21] <patdk-wk> z302, why ask if you know the answer?
[13:25] <grn_> hi! I'm setting up a Jenkins server. I'd like to bind it to port 80. Is it a good idea?
[13:27] <ikonia> grn: why would it be good/bad ?
[13:28] <grn> ikonia: is exposing an application server directly w/o a reverse proxy a good idea?
[13:29] <zul> jamespage/roaksoax/adam_g: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/ceilometer/havana-alarms-ftbfs/+merge/188331
[13:29] <ikonia> grn: it can be good/bad, what are you worried about ?
[13:30] <grn> ikonia: I have no particular worries, just asking for general advice. The instance is going to be accessible from the Internet if that matters.
[13:31] <ikonia> grn: there can be pros/cons
[13:31] <ikonia> it's up to you to work out if they met your needs
[13:32] <z302> patdk-lap, I asked because the installer still prompted me
[13:47] <jamespage> adam_g, hey - I updated the swift-storage redux branch to bind to <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:47] <jamespage> if was trying to bind to 'private-address'
[13:48] <jamespage> not work so well on maas
[14:16] <mgw> How does the MOTD system work on 12.04? I have a bunch of systems (originally booted off the cloud image) that are not updating the MOTD.
[14:45] <jamespage> adam_g, how do you feel about having an 'external-network' configuration item on the nova-cloud-controller for neutron?
[14:45] <jamespage> before it was configured when the neutron networks where configured
[14:45] <jamespage> but that's been dropped
[14:45] <jamespage> but it sits in /etc/nova/nova.conf so really need to be injected somehow
[14:46] <ivoks> has anyone seen this:
[14:46] <ivoks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1210121
[14:47] <justanotheruser> Hello, recently I purged an important package (don't ask why). It removed many dependencies (A LOT). I connected to the internet through ethernet because it purged network-manager. Now I installed network-manager again, but when I try to install the important package it doesn't install any of the dependencies I deleted. Is there a way to reinstall them without manually doing it by copying the purged packages one by one?
[14:47] <ivoks> justanotheruser: you can extract removed packages from the log and then reinstall them
[14:48] <ivoks> justanotheruser: /var/log/apt/history.log
[14:53] <justanotheruser> ivoks: thanks
[14:55] <PaulePanter> Hi. Running Ubuntu 12.04 on a server rented at a hosting provider (Hetzner), I cannot use USB or other ports like graphics. Do you folks disable such things for fewer points of failure or just leave it?
[14:58] <ivoks> PaulePanter: i have ubuntu servers in hetzner
[14:58] <ivoks> PaulePanter: it runs normal ubuntu kernel, therefore nothing is disabled
[14:59] <ivoks> PaulePanter: and i can see usb ports on my servers
[14:59] <jamespage> zul, how much packaging related change do we have across the openstack packages this cycle? it would be good to get that uploaded asap
[15:00] <jamespage> so as we move towards release its just upstream only changes
[15:00] <zul> jamespage:  like patch changes?
[15:00] <jamespage> zul, I was mainly thinking about dependencies
[15:01] <zul> jamespage:  well all of the dependencies are up to date
[15:01] <jamespage> zul: btw I'm just uploading mariadb to debian :-)
[15:01] <ivoks> jamespage: \o/
[15:01] <ivoks> will we sync it?
[15:01] <jamespage> zul, in the packages in the archive? or just in the branches?
[15:01] <jamespage> ivoks, depends how quickly it gets through the NEW queue
[15:01] <zul> things like oslo.config, etc we are up to date
[15:01] <jamespage> ivoks, but TBH is not mega critical for this release
[15:01] <PaulePanter> Another option would be to build a Linux kernel, with not-needed parts disabled. This would even boot faster and the image from disk is smaller.
[15:01] <jamespage> more for next
[15:02] <jamespage> zul, you did a load of updates to control files to add versioned deps right? is that in archive yet?
[15:03] <PaulePanter> ivoks: Yes. But as you are not in their datacenter you are not able to use the USB ports. So it would be better to disable that.
[15:03] <rbasak> smoser, utlemming: in between precise and quantal, ubuntu was removed from the admin group in our cloud images. Was this intentional, and if can you point me to the rationale, please? It stops ubuntu from being added to the libvirtd group by the libvirt-bin postinst.
[15:03] <ivoks> PaulePanter: i wouldn't be so sure about that...
[15:03] <zul> jamespage:  not yet it will be when we upload next, but the dependencies changes that i did to the control file we have the latest
[15:03] <ivoks> PaulePanter: when you ask for their intervention, they might be plugging in usb keyboard
[15:04] <utlemming> rbasak: the admin group was dropped at precise, if I recall correctly
[15:04] <ivoks> PaulePanter: anyway, most of ubuntu kernel is modular; you can just re-create your initrd
[15:04] <rbasak> utlemming: it was replaced by the sudo group, but the admin group still exists.
[15:04] <jamespage> zul, OK - I think I understand
[15:05] <zul> jamespage:  we should be good :)
[15:05] <rbasak> (in our cloud images)
[15:05] <smoser> rbasak, between precise and quantal the admin group ceased to be recommended i think.
[15:05] <smoser> replaced by the 'sudo' group.
[15:05] <smoser> to which the user should be a member
[15:05] <rbasak> smoser: right, but we used to add ubuntu to the admin group, and now we don't add ubuntu to the sudo group.
[15:05] <utlemming> rbasak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/+bug/893842
[15:05] <ivoks> PaulePanter: kernel is less than 5MB, but initramfs can go up to 20MB
[15:06] <utlemming> rbasak: checking on the latest cloud image, we do add ubuntu to the sudo group
[15:06] <utlemming> rbasak: that is for Quantal
[15:06] <rbasak> utlemming: I just did: wget http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/quantal/current/quantal-server-cloudimg-amd64-root.tar.gz; tar xzf quantal-server-cloudimg-amd64-root.tar.gz etc/group; egrep admin\|sudo etc/group
[15:06] <rbasak> sudo:x:27:
[15:06] <rbasak> admin:x:111:
[15:07] <utlemming> rbasak: right
[15:07] <utlemming> rbasak: on quantal the user is created at first boot
[15:07] <utlemming> rbasak: the ubuntu user does not exist in the tarball
[15:07] <jamespage> adam_g, I just spotted the changes to the cloud-archive reports
[15:07] <jamespage> nice
[15:07] <rbasak> utlemming: OK, I'll check by starting instances. But in my test saucy image, ubuntu does not seem to get added to sudo.
[15:08] <rbasak> (upon login)
[15:08] <utlemming> rbasak: yeah, so that is definately a bug
[15:09] <utlemming> rbasak: care to fill one out for it?
[15:09] <rbasak> In cloud-init then I guess, if it is supposed to happen on first boot? I'll investigate - thanks.
[15:09] <rbasak> Will do.
[15:09] <rbasak> Thanks for your help.
[15:09] <utlemming> rbasak: I found the problem
[15:10] <utlemming> rbasak: I'll get smoser a MP on it
[15:11] <PaulePanter> ivoks: Yes. That initramfs is another thing to optimize. Probably not needed at all on a server, which is not encrypted and where you have static components and now what you run.
[15:11] <rbasak> utlemming: thanks! Bug 1228228.
[15:12] <ivoks> PaulePanter: there's nothing to optimize, you can decide what to put in it
[15:12] <smoser> rbasak, /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg lists the groups that the default user will be added to
[15:12] <smoser> and there is no 'sudo' there.
[15:12] <smoser> does libvirt copy users in the sudo group to the libvirt group ?
[15:12] <ivoks> PaulePanter: /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
[15:12] <utlemming> smoser: yeah, mp coming your way for that
[15:12] <rbasak> smoser: yes - it copies both admin and sudo members
[15:13] <smoser> rbasak, your tool should address the case where the user is not in the sudo group.
[15:13] <smoser> ie, you should have a sane path for "you do not have libvirt group access"
[15:13] <rbasak> smoser: you mean a test and a sensible error message, or something more?
[15:13] <utlemming> smoser: shouldn't the default user be in the sudo group?
[15:13] <ivoks> PaulePanter: distribution can not ship different kernels for different machines; that's why there's generic kernel + initramfs
[15:14] <ivoks> PaulePanter: if you want a kernel that's specific for your hardware, you have to do it yourself
[15:14] <smoser> rbasak, i don think you shoudl do anything more than a sane error message:
[15:14] <rbasak> ack.
[15:14] <smoser>  could not connect to qemu:///system . You need to be lin the libvirt group.  sudo adduser $USERNAME libvirtd
[15:14] <smoser> somethign to that affect
[15:15] <smoser> also, kind of sucks but then after that you hvae to log out and back in or use 'sg' to get into that group.
[15:15] <smoser> utlemming, its really a "meh" whether or not they should be in sudo group.
[15:15] <smoser> does 'd-i' add the first user to sudo ?
[15:15] <smoser> if so, then i'd agree to following that ocnvention
[15:16] <utlemming> smoser: checking....
[15:19] <soren> smoser: It does.
[15:19] <soren> utlemming: ^
[15:19] <soren> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/user-setup/master/view/head:/user-setup-apply#L164
[15:19] <utlemming> soren: ack, I thought it did...just didn't have the code reference
[15:20] <PaulePanter> ivoks: Yes.
[15:20] <utlemming> soren: thank you kindly
[15:21] <PaulePanter> ivoks: So blacklisting the modules is the only thing to do, when you want to stay with the default Linux image.
[15:21] <ivoks> PaulePanter: 'default linux image' doesn't exist
[15:21] <ivoks> PaulePanter: ubuntu kernel without modules is almost non-functional
[15:24] <PaulePanter> ivoks: »default Linux image« meant the image shipped by Ubuntu.
[15:24] <ivoks> PaulePanter: kernel modules are part of the ubuntu operating system
[15:25] <ivoks> it's like linux kernel works
[15:25] <ivoks> if you disable modules on a server, you lose: kvm, iscsi, parport, network card drivers, etc, etc...
[15:26] <ivoks> i think even sata is lost then
[15:26] <PaulePanter> ivoks: Surely I would only blacklist the modules, which I do not need.
[15:26] <ivoks> if you've never done that... i would strongly advise not to do it on production server :)
[15:27] <ivoks> that's a famous sentence all of us said once
[15:27] <ivoks> and only for 1-2 seconds faster boot
[15:29] <mgw> What would prevent motd from updating… but then start working after I ran run-parts on it manually?
[16:15] <smoser> jamespage, you dont have anything for cloud-archive that checks ubuntu -> staging, do you ?
[16:16] <jamespage> smoser: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/cloud-archive/
[16:16] <jamespage> we should update that to compare ubuntu->staging for cloud-tools
[16:16] <smoser> is there code that generated that ?
[16:16] <jamespage> lp:ubuntu-reports I think - adam_g would know definatively
[16:17] <smoser> k. yeah, i'd like to have 'ubuntu' 'next' 'staging' 'proposed' 'updates' coluns
[16:17] <smoser> and really...
[16:17] <smoser> i just want a tool like cloud_do_work that does it.
[16:21] <rbasak> smoser: just testing the cloud-tools pocket uvtool for the first time.
[16:21] <rbasak> smoser: uvtool-libvirt : Depends: python-simplestreams but it is not going to be installed
[16:21] <rbasak> smoser: python-simplestreams : Depends: python-glanceclient but it is not installable Depends: python-swiftclient but it is not installable
[16:21] <rbasak> smoser: we need to drop those down to Recommends I think?
[16:22] <smoser> rbasak, well dropping to recommends isn't a fix.
[16:22] <smoser> is it ?
[16:22] <rbasak> smoser: that functionality is optional, though, isn't it?
[16:23] <smoser> well, if you consider code that just doesn't have to run "optional".
[16:23] <smoser> i think maybe just do python-simplestreams-openstack package .
[16:23] <smoser> that was my intent, but i forgot to do that.
[16:24] <rbasak> That seems reasonable
[16:24] <smoser> rbasak, of course i dont know how we're ogin gto handle that...
[16:24] <smoser> can you think of a way ?
[16:24] <rbasak> Ah I get your use case now. You want to be able to create a package that depends on the openstack functionality provided by python-simplestreams.
[16:25] <smoser> hm..
[16:26] <smoser> if we just put the openstack stuff into a binary package, that binary package will not be installalbe on precise. but, oh well.
[16:27] <rbasak> That's fine by the cloud-tools pocket's defintion through, right?
[16:28] <rbasak> smoser: about how to do it. Must we separate the code? What if python-simplestreams-openstack were a simple metapackage with the appropriate Depends?
[16:28] <rbasak> smoser: packages that require simplestreams openstack packages can depend on it. Packages that don't need it depend on python-simplestreams.
[16:29] <rbasak> And the code can move in the future if necessary.
[16:34] <smoser> yeah, its fine for cloud-tools pocket.
[16:35] <smoser> rbasak, well, i already cut the files out of the package for python3
[16:35] <smoser> (as none of that stuff will run, so i dont ship the files that wouldnt run)
[16:36] <rbasak> smoser: I filed bug 1233269.
[16:37] <rbasak> smoser: I'm not familiar enough with Python packaging to understand the interaction between Python module packages and files and stuff :-/
[16:38] <smoser> rbasak, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6176232/
[16:39] <smoser> well, we'll see. i'll try tof ix.
[16:40] <smoser> rbasak, i think i like your idea of the metapackage though.
[16:41] <zul> roaksoax:  around?
[16:41] <smoser> zul, he's out till manana
[16:41] <zul> smoser:  arrgh
[16:41] <zul> smoser: can you have a quick look https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/ceilometer/havana-alarms-ftbfs
[18:12] <orogor> hi
[18:12] <orogor> kernel 3.11 is only for ubuntu saucy  right ?
[19:41] <blazeme8> Hi guys. I'm trying to install alsa and the snd kernel module on ubuntu but running into some trouble with getting that module.
[19:42] <blazeme8> I tried this guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/InstallingLinuxAlsaDriverModules . But on the install step, the paackage isnt found.
[19:57] <smoser> zul, https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/ceilometer/havana-alarms-ftbfs/+merge/188331
[19:58] <smoser> th eonly thing that looks curious is the oslo.config dependency version change
[19:58] <smoser> is/was there a reason for that?
[20:04] <smoser> zul, ^^
[20:10] <mgw> any ideas why motd would fail to update on login? as far as I can tell, pam_motd is properly configured in both sshd and login pam files
[20:10] <zul> smoser:  yeah it requires a newer version of oslo.config
[20:13] <mgw> actually, it looks like it's updating it… but displaying the previous version
[20:14] <smoser> zul, approved.
[20:15] <smoser> sorry that took so long.
[20:15] <zul> smoser:  thanks no worries
[22:24] <pentest> LTSP Question
[22:24] <pentest> Xubuntu 13.04 Host OS and LTSP server, 1 wifi card connected to Internet. Virtual Box installed with Thin Client Guest OS. Is it possible to have Thin Client boot-up with this LTSP server plz?
[22:25] <Darkstar1> just a qq. Someone install apache mpm-event with phpfpm on my server the other day; just tested it a few minsa ago and realised that php pages aren't being intepreted
[22:26] <Darkstar1> all googling points to the php5 module not being loaded, but the guy says that's not needed. Is this true?


[19:37] <joe0tac> Hi. I'm hoping this is the right place for me to ask this question. I'm really new to Ubuntu, and this is my first time using IRC. Please be patient with me if I've committed a faux pas. I recently switched OS from Win7 to Ubuntu. I really, really want to use Ubuntu instead of Win7, but I'm having a lot of issues getting it to work with my laptop. I'm hoping to find a good service, ideally...
[19:37] <joe0tac> ...someone local to my area (Tacoma) to contract to help me solve my problems. I've been using the online Ubuntu support, but it's gotten me no where, so, now, I'm hoping that paid support can, maybe, help. Does anyone here have a recommendation?
[21:32] <valorie> boo
[21:32] <valorie> local to me, too


[00:45] <Laney> RAOF: not on purpose, can't fix it while in China though (too slow)
[00:45] <Laney> thanks for review
[00:56] <RAOF> Laney: I'll reject from the queue then, and you can upload again once you have proper internets.
[00:56] <Laney> RAOF: good idea, ta
[01:05] <Laney> willcooke: btw hyperair said he was working on this banshee bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/1352561/comments/3 and has in fact uploaded it https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=banshee
[01:24] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[01:24] <Laney> you're welcome
[01:32] <didrocks> willcooke: http://blog.didrocks.fr/public/Ubuntu_Party/.use_ubuntu9.10_m.jpg
[01:41] <Laney> darkxst: "Thank you for reporting this bug to Ubuntu. Karmic reached EOL on DATE."? :P
[01:42] <darkxst> oops
[01:44] <Laney> darkxst: you fixing tracker crashers?
[01:44] <Laney> or triaging
[01:45] <darkxst> fixing crashers
[01:46] <Laney> thumbs up
[02:06] <didrocks> willcooke: do you mind showing this (at the right time): http://askubuntu.com/questions/33605/can-i-move-the-unity-launcher and http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/how-to-move-unity-launcher-to-bottom-of.html ?
[02:06] <didrocks> willcooke: just go on first askubuntu.com answer when switching to it please
[02:21] <willcooke> hyperair, thanks for sorting out that Banshee bug
[02:22] <hyperair> willcooke: no problem. sorry for the delay. i'd been meaning to do that upload for a while
[02:22] <willcooke> hyperair, no worries
[03:22] <seb128> didrocks, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/trunk/view/head:/po/po.pro
[03:23] <seb128> that's what we had copied back then when uss was on qmake iirc
[03:26] <didrocks> seb128: thanks, I found an easier example I guess, reformating and giving to Anthony
[03:26] <seb128> k
[03:26] <seb128> yw :-)
[03:29] <pitti> Good morning
[03:29] <pitti> didrocks, seb128: soo consolating to see other people at this crazy hour :)
[03:29] <didrocks> pitti: heh ;) good morning!
[03:29] <didrocks> don't get too used to it, this is the last day :p
[03:30] <Laney> seb128 will be back to his regular 7am starts next week ;-)
[03:33] <didrocks> Laney: I heard he wanted to try 6!
[03:33] <seb128> no way
[03:33] <pitti> didrocks: heh, I'll be on  holiday next week too, so I won't care too much
[03:33] <seb128> I'm catching up with sleep next week
[03:33] <seb128> heh
[03:33] <didrocks> seb128: you wanted to say "o kay"
[03:33] <didrocks> french accent…
[03:33] <seb128> lol
[03:33]  * didrocks runs :p
[03:34]  * seb128 throws things at didrocks
[03:34] <didrocks> pitti: oh, enjoy!
[03:34] <didrocks> seb128: too far already
[03:34] <didrocks> BE CIVILIZED! :)
[03:34] <seb128> lol
[03:36] <Laney> #friday
[08:40]  * Sweetsha1k hops on stage.
[08:40] <Sweetshark> Im back. ;)
[08:42] <xnox> Sweetshark: and i'm leaving =)
[08:50] <Sweetshark> xnox: You leaving kinda sucks, but I think I told you already. ;)
[08:52] <Sweetshark> And I was "only" traveling to Uruguay and back to europe (26+ hours trips each in both directions). I got a lot more sympathy for our Aussie/Kiwi guys and their travel pains ....
[08:56]  * xnox is dancing http://youtu.be/5dWeeUIZFgA
[09:08] <Sweetshark> xnox: we are allowed to dance that video in my country: GEMA makes that verboten.
[10:35] <GunnarHj> Hi pitti!
[16:23] <Sweetshark> eod


[00:10] <cpnangil> Howdy
[00:13] <cpnangil> anybody here?
[02:04] <jtatum> howdy
[02:04] <jtatum> cpnangil
[02:04] <cpnangil> Hey jtatum
[02:05] <cpnangil> Hows it going?
[02:08] <cpnangil> where you from jtatum
[02:08] <jtatum> i lived in orlando for a long time, but i'm in california at the moment :)
[15:05] <cpnangil> Hello


[12:36] <studio-user236> hi, i am now in ubuntu studio, ¿i can install sk1?
[12:37] <cfhowlett> sudo apt install ski     assuming iit's in the repos
[20:21] <studio-user671> Good morning: I would like if you can help me please. I have a desktop computer, where install Ubuntu Studio 17.04, and the Video configuration is maximum is 1024x768. I have installed Win7 and I can use it in 1920x1080. Probe to edit the file .config // xfce4 / xfconf / xfce-perchannel-xml / displays.xml, where I put the resolution manually, but upon reboot, does not take the changes.   Can someone give me a hand? Excus
[20:21] <studio-user671> translator
[20:42] <OvenWerks> I probably can't help with that.
[20:43] <OvenWerks> I do know that many monitors allow higher res than what is native. Windows will let you set higher than native resolution if the monitor supports it.
[20:43] <OvenWerks> However, I have found that higher than native resolution "looks" fuzzy because it is an emulation on whatever is native.
[20:48] <studio-user671> I understand, but that way, "not fit" on the screen programs, such as Ardor. Do I have any other options to adapt it?
[20:58] <OvenWerks> studio-user671: I don't really know, Studio is based on xubuntu (xfce) so the guys (and gals) in #xubuntu may have a better idea.
[21:28] <studio_> need help
[21:30] <studio_> need help


[12:05] <Phoenix7477> how would you close a bug report where it turns out its not a bug but a minor goof by the user? reject?
[12:05] <mc44> Phoenix7477: change the status to rejected
[12:05] <Phoenix7477> ok, thank you :)
[12:07] <Phoenix7477> woohoo, first bug(not really a bug) squashed! heh
[12:07] <Phoenix7477> :)
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74445 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74445
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74446 in firefox (main) "Firefox reports crash while doing nothing, doesn't close" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74446
[01:15] <Ubug2> New bug: #74448 in Ubuntu "partitions created during installation are broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74448
[01:16] <Ubug2> New bug: #74450 in kubuntu-meta (main) "Wireless Assistant does not connect to network properly." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74450
[01:40] <Ubug2> New bug: #74451 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashed while surfing on MySpace" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74451
[01:44] <Admiral_Chicago> can i close that last one?
[01:45] <Admiral_Chicago> it's not really an Ubuntu bug, more like Flash 9
[01:45] <Ubug2> New bug: #74452 in Ubuntu "netdevice prevents WLAN from working and the pc from shutting down" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74452
[01:56] <Ubug2> New bug: #71024 in Ubuntu "ulimit / pam limits don't work" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71024
[01:56] <Ubug2> New bug: #71789 in xen-3.0 (universe) "xend has open port" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71789
[02:01] <Ubug2> New bug: #71178 in firefox (main) "Bug reported on exiting firefox browser" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71178
[02:05] <Ubug2> New bug: #71619 in gnome-screensaver (main) "Locked session becomes temporarily visible during user switch" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71619
[02:05] <Ubug2> New bug: #74453 in mesa-utils (main) "glxinfo crash with beryl and update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74453
[02:10] <Ubug2> New bug: #71675 in firefox (main) "crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71675
[02:10] <Ubug2> New bug: #73110 in xserver-xgl (universe) "xserver or gdm sets xhost + ; no security" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73110
[02:10] <Ubug2> New bug: #74454 in network-manager (main) "net-mgr doesn't remember location" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74454
[02:11] <Ubug2> New bug: #71674 in firefox (main) "crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71674
[02:15] <Ubug2> New bug: #73632 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "/var/crash/_usr_lib_mozilla-thunderbird_mozilla-thunderbird-bin.1000.crash" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73632
[02:25] <Ubug2> New bug: #74455 in openoffice.org (main) "Ctrl+N does not open a new document when no documents are open" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74455
[02:45] <Ubug2> New bug: #74457 in wine (universe) "Will not start unless via cmdline" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74457
[03:50] <Ubug2> New bug: #74458 in lighttpd (universe) "logrotate with lighttpd graceful shutdown and restart failed." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74458
[03:55] <Ubug2> New bug: #74459 in jack-audio-connection-kit (universe) "jackd crashes on Ardour launch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74459
[04:05] <Ubug2> New bug: #74460 in pioneers (universe) "does not delete menu entry if removed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74460
[04:30] <Ubug2> New bug: #74462 in nautilus (main) "crash while copying a big file(4GB+) over network" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74462
[04:51] <Ubug2> New bug: #74463 in Ubuntu "problems with character set encodings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74463
[05:00] <Ubug2> New bug: #74464 in python-kde3 (main) "[Feisty]  kdecore module is unloadable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74464
[05:05] <Ubug2> New bug: #69199 in initramfs-tools (main) "Could not boot linux-generic after update (Dapper->Edgy). Missing SATA driver." [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69199
[05:10] <Ubug2> New bug: #74465 in emacs21 (main) "when i open emac21(x11), it crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74465
[05:20] <Ubug2> New bug: #74466 in gnome-cups-manager (main) "Multiples of the same printer show when adding a printer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74466
[05:24] <crimsun> bug 74105
[05:24] <Ubug2> Malone bug 74105 in apcalc "Please sync apcalc (<IP_ADDRESS>-1) from Debian sid" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74105
[05:35] <Ubug2> New bug: #74468 in Ubuntu "Thinkpad audio broken mysteriously" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74468
[05:40] <Ubug2> New bug: #74469 in firefox (main) "Crash when I'm configuring the mediaplayer connectivity" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74469
[06:05] <Ubug2> New bug: #74470 in yelp (main) "pls upgrade to yelp-2.16.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74470
[06:25] <Ubug2> New bug: #74472 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "[ALSA]  quiet sound until after hibernate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74472
[07:00] <Ubug2> New bug: #74474 in Ubuntu "kernel appears to hang" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74474
[07:06] <Ubug2> New bug: #71433 in xfce4-session (main) "X session crashes when using Function key on laptop" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71433
[07:06] <Ubug2> New bug: #74475 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "not decoding URI with Unicode letters" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74475
[07:25] <Ubug2> New bug: #74476 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu System Settings => Display problem." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74476
[07:55] <Ubug2> New bug: #74477 in kdebase (main) "MacOS Menubar doesn't work well with Xinerama/TwinView" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74477
[08:16] <Ubug2> New bug: #74478 in adept (main) "adept cannot answer Debconf questions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74478
[08:16] <Ubug2> New bug: #74479 in xserver-xorg-video-mga (main) "[edgy regression]  random X server crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74479
[08:16] <Ubug2> New bug: #74481 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Many scrollkeeper cron.monthly errors." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74481
[08:35] <Ubug2> New bug: #74482 in samba (main) "samba and smbldap " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74482
[08:40] <Ubug2> New bug: #74483 in ivtv (multiverse) "Include ivtv 0.9 series for feisty kernels" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74483
[09:05] <Ubug2> New bug: #74484 in gnome-panel (main) "Workspace Switcher 2.16.1 no longer ToolTips workspace name" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74484
[09:35] <Ubug2> New bug: #74485 in Ubuntu "Sometimes after booting, the network interface isn't up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74485
[09:40] <Ubug2> New bug: #74486 in boot (universe) "Wrong boot hdx,x in menu.lst" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74486
[10:12] <dholbach> good morning
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71983 in synaptic (main) "Software Sources Window Closes Upon Opening" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71983
[11:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74491 in acpi-support (main) "cpufreq governor changed after suspend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74491
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74490 in synaptic (main) "synaptic repositories list on't open" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74490
[11:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74492 in Ubuntu "Please sync linuxdcpp (new package) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74492
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74493 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashed - reason unknown" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74493
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74494 in bbkeys (universe) "[feisty MoM]  please merge bbkeys from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74494
[12:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74495 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crashed in WMware 1.0.1 build-29996" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74495
[12:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74496 in casper (main) "last message with no i18n support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74496
[12:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74497 in firefox (main) "crash!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74497
[12:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74498 in seahorse (universe) "Seahorse-daemon crashes while entering passphrase" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74498
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74499 in nautilus (main) "There is no item in desktop after unlock it" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74499
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74501 in gphpedit (universe) "crash on rendering syntax highlighting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74501
[01:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74503 in Ubuntu "problems with choosing kashubian language in KDE kcontrol" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74503
[01:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74506 in kdebase (main) "In Polish language version Konqueror has no "Find file" submenu in the "Tools menu"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74506
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74509 in nautilus (main) "Opening a gopher link causes Nautilus to crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74509
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71884 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "fails to install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71884
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74512 in chinput (universe) "Please sync from debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74512
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74513 in subversion (main) "Subversion package in Ubuntu does not create a subversion user" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74513
[02:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74514 in germinate (main) "doesn't handle versioned dependencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74514
[02:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74515 in firefox (main) "problems with gmail scripts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74515
[02:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73515 in acpi-support (main) "system cannot resume after suspend or hibernate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73515
[02:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74516 in firefox (main) "Firefox does not respect subpixel smoothing preference" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74516
[02:43] <gnomefreak> seb128: do you have a second?
[02:44] <seb128> gnomefreak: sure
[02:45] <gnomefreak> seb128: on the bug for gksudo nautilus or sudo gdmsetup you stated a workaround. that dbus-launch is the work around do i launch that and than try to launch gdmsetup?
[02:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74517 in dirmngr (universe) "sync from debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74517
[02:45] <seb128> gnomefreak: no, "sudo dbus-launch gdmsetup"
[02:45] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[02:46] <seb128> the manpage is your friend in such case BTW ;)
[02:46] <seb128> man dbus-launch
[02:46] <gnomefreak> reading it ty :)
[03:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74518 in kdebase (main) "KDE clipboard (klipper) incompatible with lesstif" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74518
[03:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74519 in tsclient (main) "[regression]  Striped display vs XPsp2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74519
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74520 in gnokii (universe) "sync from debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74520
[04:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71897 in totem (main) "totem-video-thumbnailer crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71897
[04:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74522 in Ubuntu "boot stall after displaying "IBM Trackpoint..."" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74522
[04:17] <bddebian> Boo
[04:17] <ogra> bee
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74524 in evince (main) "evince has troubles viewing pages with previews in 'continuous' mode" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74524
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74521 in Ubuntu "Intermittent denial of write permission" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74521
[04:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74525 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Kernel Panic connecting ISDN USB Modem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74525
[04:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74526 in initrd-tools (universe) "Cannot find LVM device" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74526
[04:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74527 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "only two frequencies avaible for my pentiumM" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74527
[04:55] <dholbach> seb128: I'll link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingGNOME from DesktopTeam/Bugs also
[04:56] <dholbach> davmor2 is doing good work
[04:57] <seb128> dholbach: rock on ;)
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74528 in Ubuntu "several Macintosh-bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74528
[05:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71618 in control-center (main) "Selecting the wrong theme prevents GNOME from working" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71618
[05:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74529 in gnome-phone-manager (universe) "Program icon location" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74529
[05:33] <jonh_wendell> dholbach, what happened with bug 60383? why did you mark it as 'need info'?
[05:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60383 in gtk "Missing Home and Desktop items in Places panel in "Save As..." dialog" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60383
[05:34] <dholbach> because the patch needs testing
[05:34] <jonh_wendell> dholbach, but the bug itself is confirmed
[05:35] <jonh_wendell> 'in progress' could be the right aproach
[05:35] <dholbach> ok, fair enough - if you want to change it, please go ahead
[05:37] <jonh_wendell> dholbach, did you try the patch?
[05:37] <dholbach> no
[05:38] <seb128> dholbach, jonh_wendell: Debian is already using that patch
[05:38] <jonh_wendell> cool
[05:39] <jonh_wendell> this means that...
[05:39] <jonh_wendell> (someone completes the phrase, please)
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74530 in Ubuntu "Edgy dropped out of the box support for LVM and RAID" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74530
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69118 in knetworkmanager (main) "knetworkmanager freezes if kwallet doesn't open immediately" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69118
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74531 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu Edgy Eft shutdown problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74531
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74532 in meta-kde (main) "Fonts are fuzzy on fresh install of kubuntu/powerpc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74532
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74533 in apport (main) "adding packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74533
[06:01] <chantra> hi, does anyone still run dapper and can confirm this bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/50406 ?
[06:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50406 in ntp "Two instances of ntpd are launched, only one is stopped by the init script" [Undecided,Needs info]
[06:01] <chantra> does not seem to happen on edgy
[06:41] <a7p> What's the policy on "<non-Edgy-Ubuntu-version> does not run/install properly on <somekind of laptop>"?
[06:42] <a7p> well, what's the policy on this kind of bugs?
[06:46] <seb128> a7p: like "it works with edgy"?
[06:47] <seb128> a7p: marking as fixed
[06:47] <seb128> a7p: and we might open backport tasks if we think that's worth backporting
[06:48] <a7p> seb128, okay, thanks.
[06:48] <seb128> np
[07:00] <Phoenix7477> what are you supposed to do with a bug like #74533, where the entire bug report is just the line "trying to add programs"?
[07:01] <seb128> bug #74533
[07:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74533 in apport "adding packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74533
[07:02] <seb128> Phoenix7477: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses, the first item
[07:02] <Phoenix7477> thanks :)
[07:02] <seb128> Phoenix7477: and "Needs Info" it
[07:02] <seb128> np
[07:02] <gnomefreak> either give them the first thing on the responces site or reject it with the 2nd one
[07:04] <gnomefreak> Phoenix7477: unless you plan on fixing it please dont assign it to yourself
[07:07] <Phoenix7477> don't assign it to myself while waiting for more info?
[07:08] <gnomefreak> no
[07:08] <seb128> gnomefreak: well, habits divert here
[07:08] <seb128> gnomefreak: sfllaw and the wiki recommend assigning yourself when you reply
[07:08] <seb128> to say you are dealing with the bug
[07:08] <seb128> and un-assign when you get the infos or close it
[07:08] <Phoenix7477> yeah
[07:08] <gnomefreak> seb128: when did this happen?
[07:08] <seb128> months ago
[07:08] <sfllaw> Yeah.
[07:09] <seb128> since sfllaw is around
[07:09] <seb128> I'm not doing that
[07:09] <gnomefreak> seb128: last i heard we dont (big topic on ML)
[07:09] <seb128> and I prefer subscribing to the bug
[07:09] <seb128> we don't assign bugs to maintainers
[07:09] <seb128> like don't assign an ubiquity bug to Colin
[07:09] <gnomefreak> correct
[07:09] <sfllaw> Assignment means "I'm working on this."
[07:10] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmmm
[07:10] <sfllaw> Subscription means "I'm interested in this."
[07:10] <sfllaw> If you assign a bug to yourself, you can actually find a list of bugs you're working on.
[07:11] <sfllaw> Whereas I'm subscribed to tons to bugs I can't do much about.
[07:11] <sfllaw> Hurray!
[07:11] <gnomefreak> so when the info is gotten we take ourselves off it adn assign it to someone or just back to noone until the person decides to fix it
[07:12] <sfllaw> Set it back to Nobody.
[07:12] <sfllaw> There are going to be changes to Status that we decided on in Mountain View.
[07:12] <sfllaw> That will make this a not dumb thing to do.
[07:13] <gnomefreak> also do we bring the bug to local maintainer/creator after we get the info or just marek it as noone adn done with it?
[07:13] <gnomefreak> s/marek/mark
[07:15] <a7p> or even better to "rejected" *g*
[07:15] <Phoenix7477> yeah, thats what i do
[07:27] <gnomefreak> btw there is no more wiki on adopting packages.


[00:04] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Whats up?
[00:04] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I just got home, what you need me to test?
[00:11] <DarkwingDuck> *holds breath*
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: Adept, kontact and okular each use their own sidebar. I wish there was a ksidebar too
[00:16] <Timq> Hello!
[00:16] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: It installed just fine. Lemme reboot really quick and make sure everything seems to run okay...
[00:19] <Timq> To whom would I talk to offer my services for Project Timelord?
[00:20] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: adept, kontact, okular, kate, and konqueror :)
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> meh :( soprano_2.3.70+dfsg.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes rejected
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> Timq: you don't really have to talk to anybody. contributing to kubuntu is contributing to project timelord
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> I guess the question is: What do you want to do?
[00:22] <Timq> Oh, I see.  Is the link in the channel header the list of current WIPs?
[00:23] <Timq> Well, I have experience with web development (PHP, MySQL) and all that, as well as experience on Java and C++ applications
[00:23] <Timq> I also have worked some with C in a Linux environment, if that could help on anything
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> Yes, that is the Todo list for the next release
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> If web development is your thing, you may want to get in touch with ryanacka (who appears to not be here at the moment)
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> ScottK, Riddell: Any idea what set of packages I can upload to is? soprano got rejected for being in main. :(
[00:26] <Timq> Hmmmm, really?  What sort of stuff is he working on currently?
[00:27] <geekles_> the kubuntu logo on the shield on kubuntu.org is Hot! kudos to whomever did that.
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> geekles_: thank nookie^ if you can catch him online sometime. he's responsible for that
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> Timq: oh, he's pretty much the one-man army for web development for kubuntu
[00:27] <geekles_> i will, that's just fantastic looking. good work on getting 4.3.4 out so quickly too guys.
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> I'm quite positive he'd like to not be a one-man army ;-)
[00:28] <Timq> Hahaha, interesting.  Well, I
[00:28] <Timq> '...*I'll keep my eyes open for him, and let him know.  Thanks!
[00:28] <geekles_> i'll have to check the contribute wiki for web stuff then
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> Timq: I believe there's a section on the Todo pertaining to web dev stuff
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> "Community, Website, Marketing and Branding"
[00:28] <Timq> Ok, I'll check it out
[00:36] <geekles> so the Todo has a section on web dev stuff, but it's rather ahh, vague? and the wiki page on gettinginvolved/design is empty. where would one find out more if interested?
[00:37] <Timq> geekles:  I agree.  It all looks nice, but is there anything more oriented towards software development rather than marketing?
[00:37] <Timq> ^ (Generalized question for anyone)
[00:38] <Timq> In addition to web development, I'm willing to work on anything in C++ (which I saw mentioned on the Project Timelord homepage)
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> About the only C++ project we have going on now is Kubuntu Notification Helper: https://edge.launchpad.net/kubuntu-notification-helper
[00:44] <Timq> Ah, based on that link, I take it that you are the current maintainer, Jon?
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> yep
[00:45] <tsimpson> and the ubuntu-one KDE client
[00:45] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah. forgot about that one
[00:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger is heading up that
[00:46] <Timq> What is that, tsimpson?  I'm sorry, I'm just not familiar with all the various projects going on. :)
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> there's probably quite a bit more to do there than with kubuntu-notification-helper
[00:47] <tsimpson> Timq: it's a client for one.ubuntu.com
[00:48] <tsimpson> http://gitorious.org/ubuntuone-client-kde
[00:55] <Timq> Hmm, I'll have to think about all this some more before I can choose anything.  Thank you!
[00:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ./edit_acl.py -P kubuntu -S lucid query
[00:55] <tsimpson> it help if you know Qt and KDE
[00:55] <Timq> Yes, I can imagine.  Looks like I'll have to learn :/
[00:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: edit_acl.py can be found on Launchpad
[00:56] <ScottK> I think in archive-admin-tools or something like that
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> is that a team or a project?
[00:59] <Timq> Goodnight (or Good day?), everyone!
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-tools/trunk
[00:59] <geekles> Is there a contact for contributing with the web design stuff, or should I just post to the kubuntu-devel mailing list?
[01:00] <tsimpson> https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-website
[01:00] <tsimpson> you can file bugs against the website there
[01:01] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: That looks right
[01:01] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: konq_sidebar is a kpart :)
[01:02]  * nixternal goes and watches president failbama
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: To whom would I speak about adding akonadi and soprano to the list?
[01:03] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We should talk to cjwatson.
[01:03] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Seems to be working
[01:03] <ScottK> nixternal: Can you upload JontheEchidna's stuff while you're watching TV?
[01:03]  * ScottK has several hours before he can sit still long enough to do it.
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> it's actually lex's stuff, which I was sponsoring for him
[01:05] <Lex79> ScottK: should we keep boost 1.38 for now?
[01:05] <ScottK> Lex79: Have to.  1.40 is still in Universe
[01:05] <Lex79> oh, ok
[01:06] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: Oh, konq's is totally different that kontact, adept and okular's
[01:06] <JontheEchidna> kate and konq's are similar
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> soprano package I was trying to upload is here: http://jmthomas.toniox.org/soprano_2.3.70%2bdfsg.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> qt4-x11 is another notable package missing from the list of things kubuntu-devs can upload
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> maybe I should start a list
[01:21] <txwikinger> nixternal: why watching? isn't hearing already depressing enough?
[01:36] <DarkwingDuck> hmmm, after that @$$ F***ing I need a cigarette...
[01:39]  * kb9vqf agrees, but doesn't smoke...
[01:39] <kb9vqf> more, wonders what he was smoking
[01:40] <dailystruggle> well hokka of course
[01:41] <dailystruggle> or is it khooka
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> *sigh*
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> why did I even have a dream that we were getting out of there?
[01:43] <DarkwingDuck> I really don't want to go back... Oh well.
[02:33] <txwikinger> DarkwingDuck: You are going back to Afghanistan?
[02:33] <DarkwingDuck> possibly...
[02:34] <DarkwingDuck> But, I don't think they will medically clear me.
[02:34] <txwikinger> Are you active or reserve?
[02:34] <DarkwingDuck> Active.
[02:34] <DarkwingDuck> almost 7 years
[02:35] <txwikinger> I had several students in the British military who were over there while I was their lecturer
[02:35] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh, I'm US Navy
[02:36] <txwikinger> ah.. now your nick make sense :)
[02:37] <DarkwingDuck> My Nick was based upon a childhood hero and... it was my handle on the ship LOL
[02:41]  * txwikinger wonders who they get ships to Afghanistan :D
[02:41] <txwikinger> s/who/how/
[02:42] <ScottK> txwikinger: Not all of the Navy is afloat.
[02:43] <txwikinger> ScottK: I know.. it is still fun to ask this question
[02:43] <ScottK> My last reserve command we wore Army BDUs and ran in formation to be in shape in case something 'came up'.
[02:44] <DarkwingDuck> I did a tour with the Army as a firefighter at one of the mobile air fields
[02:45]  * ScottK was in a mobile communications unit.
[02:45] <ScottK> Long, long ago.
[02:45] <txwikinger> I friend of mine was in those electronic surveilance planes while he was in the navy
[02:45] <txwikinger> but he is retired for long time now
[02:47] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhh
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> I'm an aircraft firefighter
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> and an aircraft director
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> Both jobs in one :D
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> Fun job actually
[02:57] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: You around?
[03:00] <DarkwingDuck> Koffice isn't used in kubuntu just OpenOffice for office application correct?
[03:03] <txwikinger> OpenOffice is the default app
[03:03] <txwikinger> but koffice can be downloaded from the repo
[03:04] <txwikinger> aircraft director.... sounds like a lot of stress ... at least on a carrier
[03:11] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[03:11] <DarkwingDuck> 18 hours a day 7 days a week out to sea
[03:23] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: hey, did you get a version of netbook.xml you want me to push into bzr?
[03:39] <DarkwingDuck> uhhh, yeah, let me email it to you nixternal
[03:39] <DarkwingDuck> give me 5
[03:42] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Email sent
I could have pushed it... maybe</hint>  :P
[03:44] <nixternal> :p
[03:45] <nixternal> I gotta see how good it is, and it if will break or not...and then I shall quiz you and see if you are worthy :p
[03:45] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: here we go....let me know when you are here...quick quiz
[03:45] <DarkwingDuck> whats up?
[03:46] <nixternal> without looking at the wiki, tell me:
[03:46] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[03:46] <nixternal> how do you check out our current docs?
[03:46] <DarkwingDuck> bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs
[03:46] <nixternal> groovy
[03:46] <nixternal> how do you commit a change?
[03:46] <maco> in bzr?
[03:46] <maco> "bzr commit"
[03:46] <DarkwingDuck> bzr commit -m "commit comment"
[03:46] <nixternal> shh
[03:47] <nixternal> FAIL!!!
[03:47] <nixternal> bzr ci :p
[03:47] <maco> oh shush you
[03:47] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: does that commit it to the repo?
[03:47]  * DarkwingDuck rasis an eyebrow
[03:47] <maco> DarkwingDuck: he's using abbreviations
[03:47] <nixternal> bzr ci == bzr commit
[03:47] <dtchen> eww. debcommit, please.
[03:47] <DarkwingDuck> :D Got ya
[03:47] <maco> i assume ci is taken from svn's checkin
[03:47] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: how do you push your change to the branch?
[03:48] <nixternal> maco: ci from cvs
[03:48] <nixternal> actually before cvs, can't remember the app though
[03:48] <DarkwingDuck> bzr push lp:kubuntu-docs
[03:48] <maco> ok fine. be old!
[03:48] <nixternal> ooh, you even added the last part
[03:48] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: validate a doc
[03:48] <nixternal> I should break a doc, and have you validate and fix it...but you already know xml, so that won't be any fun :)
[03:48] <DarkwingDuck> using our validator or w3.org validation?
[03:49] <nixternal> never mind smarty pants :p
[03:49] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[03:50] <DarkwingDuck> Ive used w3.org validation for so long... Unless you would rather us use ours
[03:50] <DarkwingDuck> DocBook DTD doesn't add too much other then some euro additions...
[03:51] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: do me a favor ->   bzr push lp:~darkwingduck/kubuntu-docs
[03:51] <nixternal> this way you have a branch registered
[03:51] <DarkwingDuck> https://code.launchpad.net/~darkwingduck/+junk/kubuntu-docs-dw
[03:52] <DarkwingDuck> I did that so I could share the docs I am working on between my netbook and desktop
[03:52] <nixternal> get it out of junk so it registers with lp:kubuntu-doc
[03:53] <DarkwingDuck> ~darkwingduck/kubuntu-docs
[03:53] <DarkwingDuck> BAH
[03:54] <DarkwingDuck> there is an error.
[03:54] <DarkwingDuck> Says invalid URL
[03:55] <nixternal> hrmm
[03:56] <DarkwingDuck> invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~darkwingduck/kubuntu-docs": ~darkwingduck/kubuntu-docs is too short to be a branch name.
[03:56] <nixternal> oh well, don't worry about it...I just asked mdke to add you to the committers list anyways
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I just got the email.
[04:06] <shtylman> does the picture frame widget actually work for anyone in slideshow mode?
[04:08] <DarkwingDuck> Have not tried it
[04:39] <vorian> hello all, I was wondering if you all would be willing and able to give a testimonial on my wiki page for my run for the IRC council
[04:39] <vorian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StephenStalcup
[04:42] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Riddell is on vacation, kayaking in the Scottish Highlands, this week, so his internet connection is a bit spotty.  I saw you ping'ed him earlier.
[04:43] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, he pinged me about 30 min before I pinged him LOL
[04:44] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: were there any other issues with the libattica package? (I believe I've resolved all of the ones you raised with the latest upload)
[04:44] <txwikinger> they have Internet in the Scottish Highlands?
[04:44] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: That was it.
[04:45] <ScottK> txwikinger: Apparently a wee bit.
[04:45] <JontheEchidna> k, cool. I believe I'll upload it then
[04:45] <txwikinger> well.. it would be almost 5am there now...  the spottiness is probably due to time of day :D
[04:48] <ScottK> txwikinger: That too, but even when he was trying to be online it wasn't going well.  He missed JontheEchidna's kubuntu-dev application.
[04:48] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Give me the REVU link again so I can stamp advocated on it.
[04:48] <txwikinger> indeed...I noticed that
[04:48] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libattica
[04:49] <shtylman> ScottK: I need to package something... the live assistant python app... its platform independent.. and I don't have any .orig files or anything... its brand new
[04:49] <shtylman> what is the best way to do that so that it can go into my PPA
[04:49] <shtylman> my experience with packaging things...is...well basically 0
[04:49] <ScottK> shtylman: Where is upstream going to live?
[04:49] <shtylman> launchpad
[04:50] <shtylman> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-assistant/trunk
[04:50] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Advocated.  Don't forget to archive it after you upload.
[04:51] <ScottK> shtylman: There is some LP process for releasing a tarball.  I don't know what it is.  In the meantime, you can make a tarball from a bzr snapshot.
[04:52] <shtylman> and that will act as orig?
[04:52] <ScottK> shtylman: I believe that vorian wants me to say nice things about him for IRC Council and so my desire to see you succeed may cause him to help you.
[04:52] <ScottK> shtylman: Yes.
[04:52] <shtylman> hahaha
[04:53] <shtylman> :)
[04:53] <shtylman> I like the sound of that
[04:53] <vorian> :)
[05:05] <ScottK> Lex79 and JontheEchidna: Soprano uploaded.
[05:05] <ScottK> Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[05:30] <nixternal> shtylman: on your ubuntu-assistant, change your port from 6667 to 8001 please :)
[05:30] <shtylman> nixternal: is that more correct?
[05:31] <nixternal> it is a safer port, that way there the client won't disconnect when someone attempts the DCC exploit
[05:31] <shtylman> gotcha
[05:31] <shtylman> does that port still allow for file transfers?
[05:31] <DarkwingDuck> Is there going to be a KDE "Software Store" or, a Gnomeish looking add/remove to find programs vice packages that you have to search by in KPackageKit
[05:32] <nixternal> shtylman: shtylman yes it does
[05:32] <shtylman> cool
[05:32] <shtylman> changed
[05:32] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: not that I know of
[05:32] <DarkwingDuck> Any reason why?
[05:32] <nixternal> none other than I don't think anyone is working on it
[05:32] <DarkwingDuck> Just no devs for it or...
[05:32] <nixternal> exactly
[05:32] <DarkwingDuck> *nods* Okayt
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> BRB, switing computers
[05:33] <nixternal> it would be a lot of work since the Ubuntu Software Center is so GNOME it isn't even funny....when they decide to split out the GNOME bits and make a common backend, then maybe :)
[05:33] <nixternal> I was trying to look at shaman today, but for some reason, Karmic and Lucid have outdated packagekit packages
[05:34] <nixternal> and on that note, I am going to bed :)
[05:34] <nixternal> g'nite all...oh DarkwingDuck I uploaded your netbook doc...good start
[05:34] <glatzor_> nixternal, because of missinf plicykit 1 support
[05:34] <glatzor_> missing
[05:35] <nixternal> glatzor_: ahh, I knew there had to be a reason
[05:53] <Darkwing-Netbook> nixternal: Any reason on the root element there are two attributes instead of making those atributes into elements in the <articleinfo> elements?
[05:59] <Darkwing-Netbook> dangit... nixternal must have gone to bed.
[06:07] <Darkwing-Netbook> Okay, I'm off to bed
[07:51] <Mamarok> why oh why is KDE 4.3.4 yet in another PPA? Can't we just use the backports one for new versions? This is ridiculous
[07:53] <Mamarok> it was in the backports previously, and IIRC didn't we decide not to have that old PPA mess anymore?
[07:53]  * Mamarok shakes head at so much confusion
[07:55] <Mamarok> with the left hand not knowing what the right hand does, we will never end up with a sane Kubuntu community, really
[07:55] <Mamarok>  /rant
[07:55] <jussi01> Mamarok: wait a sec, you say some of these people are sane to start with? o.O
[07:55]  * markey upgrades to KDE SC 4.3.4
[07:56] <Mamarok> jussi01: it is a damn mess, that's what it is
[07:56] <jussi01> I've met some of them... definately not sane :P
[07:56] <Mamarok> it is a backport of a new version, so it has to be in backports, period
[07:56] <Mamarok> how difficult is that to understand?
[07:57] <Mamarok> clear policy where things below is really badly needed
[07:57]  * Mamarok goes to update that topic of the #kubuntu channel
[07:58] <Mamarok> oh well, done already, still doesn't change the fact that you folks are messing up thing again, I bet we will have a bazillion PPAs again by then end of the Lucid cycle
[08:01] <jussi01> Mamarok: true, and sorry to interupt your little rant with my jokes
[08:06] <Quintasan|Szel> sup?
[08:27] <markey> upgrade went smoothly :)
[08:27] <markey> thanks for the packaging
[09:06]  * Sput sticks with his trusted 4.3.80+
[09:06] <Tm_T> Sput: oooooold
[09:06]  * Tm_T hides
[09:06] <Sput> Tm_T: mmmh, .81 tagged already?
[09:07] <Sput> my KDE is 22 hours old, but still says .80 :)
[09:07] <Tm_T> Sput: no tags
[09:07] <Sput> Tm_T: see, then it's still 4.3.80+!
[09:08] <Tm_T> Sput: true, but when you get running binaries done, it's already old in svn (:
[09:08] <Sput> Tm_T: well, building takes a few hours, so nothing I can do about that :)
[09:08]  * Sput rebuilds about daily
[09:08] <Sput> though I don't restart KDE daily
[09:09] <Sput> which means I waste tons of cycles
[09:09] <Sput> :)
[09:09] <Tm_T> Sput: I know, joys of opensource, there's always something new (:
[09:10] <Sput> Tm_T: of course :)
[09:10] <Sput> and people wonder why I don't like binary distros :)
[09:10] <Tm_T> Sput: I like binary distros, let you free to use your CPU time building and testing something you're interested
[10:40] <amichair> I'm looking at jocket for some crash bugs, and have some questions
[10:41] <amichair> like why the code used by kde is running a gtk event loop
[10:41] <amichair> who knows jockey/dbus well?
[10:45] <tsimpson> it's using the glib loop
[10:45] <tsimpson> which Qt uses too, btw
[10:45] <tsimpson> also the QtDBus stuff is not ported to python, so it needs to use the "native" python dbus bindings
[10:48] <amichair> tsimpson: Qt uses actual glib code, or are the loop somehow standardized?
[10:49] <tsimpson> amichair: Qt has the option to use glib if it's available
[10:49] <amichair> the dbus-python docs show how to use a Qt main loop, wouldn't it be better to use that?
[10:50] <tsimpson> if it works, possibly
[10:50] <amichair> tsimpson: do u have a few moments to discuss other things in jockey?
[10:51] <tsimpson> I haven't really messed with the jockey code in a while, but I'll help if I can
[10:53] <amichair> in the same place where the loop is used (dbus_sync_call_signal_wrapper), it uses global variables to hold call results - couldn't that cause a race condition?
[10:54] <amichair> e.g. if the event loop catches  a signal, whose processing calls another dbus method
[10:55] <tsimpson> oops ;)
[10:55] <tsimpson> if you mean the "DBUS_BUS_NAME" var, then it's never changed anyway, right?
[10:55] <tsimpson> oh, wait. I see what you mean
[10:55] <amichair> no, 'global _h_reply_result' and '_h_exception_result'
[10:56] <amichair> well I'm looking for a crash with no idea what causes it which I can't recreate, so I'm just poking at anything that looks suspicious, I don't know if it actually occurrs in practice
[10:57] <tsimpson> I don't think so, as those actually seem to be function local
[10:57] <amichair> they're explicitly declared 'global', doesn't that make them really global?
[10:58] <tsimpson> well there are sub-functions in there, so global is just non-local to those
[10:58] <tsimpson> plus the _h_reply_result variable only appears in that one function and in that one file
[10:58] <amichair> so 'global' goes one level up in scope?
[10:59] <tsimpson> well that "global _h_reply_result, _h_exception_exc" seems to do nothing as far as I can see
[10:59] <amichair> yeah but nothing stops that method from being called concurrently, especially since it goes through the trouble of processing signals while waiting for results
[10:59] <tsimpson> those are used nowhere else in the code
[11:00] <tsimpson> each function will be called with a closure
[11:00] <tsimpson> which means that each should have its own instance of those
[11:00] <tsimpson> ie: not shared
[11:00] <tsimpson> they only seem to be used for the _h_reply and _h_error sub-functions
[11:02] <amichair> which in turn change the global variables... AIUI those globals will thus be accessed concurrently, overwriting each other's results
[11:03] <amichair> unless 'global' is not really global... trying to read up on that
[11:04] <tsimpson> amichair: the global there seems to insert the variables into the global scope, but nothing else uses them
[11:05] <amichair> nothing else except that method, which may be called concurrently?
[11:06] <tsimpson> I'm not sure if it is called concurrently, but that's part of the jockey backend
[11:07] <tsimpson> ie: we didn't write it
[11:07] <amichair> what I'm trying to say is there's one method, with two internal callbacks, which change a global variable. if the method (specifically its callbacks) are called twice concurrently, there's a race condition in setting the globals
[11:07] <tsimpson> I see that
[11:08] <tsimpson> maybe the gobject main loop thing locks it?
[11:10] <amichair> dunno
[11:11] <amichair> also, there's a _package_operation_in_progress flag, which isn't properly locked too
[11:13] <amichair> (but used as if it were)
[11:21] <tsimpson> I guess you should file a bug against jockie and see what they say
[11:23] <amichair> the bugs which brought me here are already filed... so I guess either I just leave it alone and let them do it, or I find someone involved which I can discuss it with
[11:23] <tsimpson> well, I mean about the possible race condition
[11:24] <amichair> there are a bunch of similar things, not sure it will help to open a bug for each, especially since I'm not sure :-)
[11:24] <amichair> do u know who wrote it?
[11:24] <ghostcube> hi humans
[11:25] <tsimpson> amichair: several people at canonical, other than that, nope :(
[11:29] <tsimpson> I'm putting myself forward for the IRC Council, comments welcome on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TerenceSimpson :)
[12:03] <markey> guys, I'm trying to build a tool that's using autoconf (automake and all this old stuff). anyway, autoconf is giving me this error:
[12:03] <markey> configure.ac:6: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE
[12:03] <markey> anyone got an idea where that comes from?
[12:05] <ScottK> Mamarok: We are waiting to get tech board approval to put it into -proposed/updates (4.3.4).  Currently it has at least one serious regression (no spell checking reported by multiple people) that needs to get resolved.
[12:09] <Mamarok> ScottK: nah, I was talking about the Kubuntu backports PPA, why isn't it there? Makes not much sense to me, yet another PPA
[12:10] <Mamarok> since it is a backport, so I don't see why it is in a kubuntu PPA which is less than self explaining
[12:10] <ScottK> Mamarok: Part of the problem there is that we really can't put Qt 4.6 in regular Ubuntu backports.  It affects too many packages, so backport of a major version like 4.4, really has to be in a PPA.
[12:11] <Mamarok> I didn't talk about regular backports, but the backports PPA
[12:11] <Mamarok> where KDE 4.3.3 and Amarok 2.2.1 are already
[12:11] <ScottK> Ah, I see.
[12:11] <ScottK> 4.3.3 should not have gone in that PPA.
[12:11] <ScottK> The backports PPA should be for the major version updates like a backport of 4.4.
[12:12] <Mamarok> so if we backport KDE stuff, it really should go into backports PPA, else ewe are going to have again a bazillion of PPAs during the next months
[12:12] <ScottK> It should be at most 4.
[12:12] <Mamarok> keep in mind that it should at least be consistent, now it is very far from that
[12:12] <ScottK> 4.3.3 in backports PPA was a mistake.
[12:12] <Mamarok> how many PPAs are there in use now? 4? which is too many already
[12:13] <ScottK> One of them should never concern users.
[12:13] <Mamarok> well, then sort that out, but one PPA for all things backported should be consistent, it is confusing and just wrong the way it is now
[12:13] <Mamarok> we have been using backports PPA for all KDE backports so far, why not now?
[12:13] <ScottK> We use the staging PPA so we can give an entire KDE SC update at once.
[12:14] <ScottK> The idea is to have three for potential users:
[12:14] <jussi01> yeah, staging shouldnt really be added at all
[12:14] <ScottK> 1.  For updates of the existing KDE version (like 4.3.4)
[12:14] <Mamarok> the mess in Intrepid and Jaunty with 6 PPAs where nobody knew what should go where was already a hassle, let's not start that confudion again
[12:14] <ScottK> 2.  For upgrades to the next major KDE SC (4.4)
[12:14] <ScottK> 3.  One for experimental stuff you really need to be careful about.
[12:14] <ScottK> That should be it.
[12:15] <ScottK> Mamarok: I agree it got out of hand before.
[12:15] <Mamarok> yes, but now we are already in a mess again since we have two KDE 4.3.x updates in different PPAs for Karmic
[12:15] <ScottK> I do think we need these three tough
[12:15] <ScottK> I'll remove 4.3.3 from backports.
[12:15] <Mamarok> I agree we need staging, but we should be consistent, and rename PPAs if needed and then definitely stick to the paln
[12:16] <Mamarok> plan*
[12:16] <ScottK> I thought it had been moved.
[12:16] <Mamarok> currently it's all a mess again, not as bad as before, but still a mess
[12:17] <Mamarok> I really thought it was sorted once and for all, so maybe a mail to the kubuntu-devel list with a clear proposition and everybody stick to that is needed
[12:20] <ScottK> I'm currently removing the stuff from backports that should never have been there.
[12:20] <Mamarok> ScottK: be careful to have the website entries updated accordingly, too, we point people there usually
[12:21]  * Mamarok is not an editor and can't change that
[12:21] <Mamarok> ScottK: thanks for changing :)
[12:22] <Mamarok> ScottK: so where will Amarok 2.2.1 be? still in backports or the kubuntu PPA?
[12:22] <ScottK> Mamarok: I was just looking at that one.
[12:23] <ScottK> Mamarok: It looks to me like that should be in updates.
[12:23] <Mamarok> yes, I think so, too
[12:23] <markey> ok, I just can't this this to build
[12:24] <markey> another approach: I have a i386 .deb for this tool
[12:24] <markey> can I somehow install it on 64bit?
[12:24] <Mamarok> markey: what are you talking about?
[12:24] <markey> this stupid git-home-history tool
[12:24] <markey> http://jean-francois.richard.name/ghh/
[12:24] <Mamarok> ah, build it from source?
[12:25] <markey> (for making backups with Git)
[12:25] <markey> well, it's not packaged in kubuntu
[12:25] <Mamarok> yep, so build it from source is probably the easiest wy to go for you, or learn packaging for Kubuntu :)
[12:25] <markey> so, I guess I have to "build" it (it's not really a build, because it's written in Bash + Python + Something)
[12:26] <markey> getting this:
[12:26] <Mamarok> ughs
[12:26] <markey> configure.ac:6: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE
[12:26] <seaLne> could some one with kmail from 434 please check if on a message with multiple to/cc fields when selecting reply to all (pressing a) it actually does for you?
[12:26] <markey> if anyone knows how to package it, that would be grand
[12:26] <markey> apparently the tool is very good
[12:26] <markey> it could become popular
[12:30] <markey> rofl, it gets better and better
[12:30] <markey> apparently another guy has no written a tool based on git-home-history, called Git-Home
[12:30] <markey> http://git-home.chezwam.org/tutorial.html
[12:30] <markey> Oo
[12:30] <ScottK> Mamarok: I just copied amarok to updates.  I won't delete it out of backports until after I fix the web site (later today).
[12:31] <Mamarok> ScottK: thanks a lot!
[12:31] <amichair> tsimpson: can u pls take a quick look at Bug #448753? from the trace in the middle, seems like it might have to do with the gtk loop being used in qt - what do u think?
[12:33] <amichair> (there might be a mix of 3 different bugs in that report though...)
[12:37] <tsimpson> amichair: erm, what trace?
[12:37] <amichair> tsimpson: gtk assertions
[12:38] <tsimpson> amichair: that may have nothing to do with the bug
[12:38] <tsimpson> it's just the contents of .xsession-errors
[12:38] <tsimpson> which is normally stderr for any app started from the desktop
[12:39] <amichair> hmmm.... ok then, never mind :-)
[12:41] <dantti> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FoundationsTeam/Specs/LucidSoftwareCenterRepositoryBasedIndexfiles   are you aware of this topic?
[12:55] <ScottK> dantti: Riddell is on vacation this week.
[12:56] <dantti> ScottK: ah.. :P thanks.. maybe you know something about that page?
[12:56] <ScottK> dantti: You might also be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/BackportsNotAutomatic - I think the U/I implications of this are useful for Debian for backports.org, volatile, and experimental.
[12:56]  * ScottK looks
[12:57] <ScottK> dantti: I think I heard some discussion of this, but I'm not familiar with the details.  I'm sure mvo is the person to ask about it.
[13:00] <dantti> ScottK: k, cause there is some stuff like package description and localization that we already have today... don't get why we would need that again..
[13:40] <Quintasan|Szel> ScottK: have libs finished building yet?
[13:41]  * ScottK didn't look.
[13:49]  * Quintasan|Szel got his burgers and is heading home now
[13:50] <rgreening> Quintasan|Szel: I believe so...
[13:52] <Quintasan|Szel> Too bad my ssh setup isnt working. Problems with my router I belive
[14:13] <ScottK> Lex79: I think Qt 4.6.0 is in Debian experimental.  Would you have a look and see if they have anything we'd want before upload to the archive?
[14:16] <Lex79> yes, but be back in ~two hours :)
[14:18] <ScottK> Great.  Thanks.
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 1057466
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> though I suppose kdelibs currently isn't blocking the stack on arm
[15:08] <rgreening> let NCommander know.. he works on this... and has commit rights to KDE to fix.
[15:08] <rgreening> :)
[15:26] <mcas> rgreening: have you seen my comment on the filesharingspecs?
[15:33] <rgreening> what did you change?
[15:34] <mcas> the part about the sambashare group
[15:34] <mcas> we have to check that the user is member of this group to use net usershare
[15:35] <rgreening> ah. ya.
[15:35] <mcas> the first user on a system is member of this group but the other users don't get this privilege automatically
[15:35] <rgreening> I see. that is very true.
[15:36] <mcas> but i can tell you, that the default smb.conf allows net usershare
[15:37] <rgreening> not on my system it didn;'t seem to work without setting max users to something explicitly...
[15:37] <rgreening> (but maybe I need to retry and retest on a clean system)
[15:38] <mcas> i will check it on another system, too
[15:38] <rgreening> kool
[15:39] <mcas> ok here i have the same problem
[15:40] <mcas> but i don't know what i changed on the other one
[15:43] <mcas> tomorrow i can save the other config file and check thhe differences
[16:04] <rgreening> k
[16:47] <ScottK> Lex79: You'll want to be looking into adding "-Wa,-implicit-it=thumb" to the qt4-x11 compiler flags, just for armel.
[16:47] <ScottK> That's likely the solution to it's FTBFS
[16:48] <Lex79> ok
[16:52] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: done
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> still re-extracting the Qt tarball, lol
[16:53] <Lex79> ahah :)
[17:02] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: src/3rdparty/phonon is only 1.8 MB, do you want a tarball for looking if your patch will be applies ?
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: sure
[17:03] <ScottK> Lex79: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Thumb2 to learn more about Armel than I care to know.
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: I'm about to push the patch to bzr
[17:04] <Lex79> ScottK: ok I'll look, but is there a way to see if build correctly in my pbuilder?
[17:04] <ScottK> Lex79: Not unless you have Ubuntu Lucid armel.
[17:05] <ScottK> cjwatson said he'd look into it.
[17:05] <ScottK> It's handy to show up at the weekly Foundations Team meeting and ask for help.
[17:06] <Lex79> ok, anyway I haven't a Lucid armel
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: phonon patch pushed to bzr
[17:07] <amichair> is https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ down or is it just me?
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: I know that you'll need to add a build-depend on libpulse0-dev right off the bat
[17:09] <JontheEchidna> amichair: down here too
[17:09] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: ok, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/394059/phonon-4.6.0.tar.gz
[17:09] <amichair> wha a bummah
[17:11] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: doesn't apply, lol
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> I'll fix it
[17:12] <Lex79> awesome lol
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> rrrrraaaaagh
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> in between rc and final release the....
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> *they...
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> ... updated all of their copyright headers
[17:13] <Quintasan> loooool
[17:13]  * JontheEchidna rages
[17:13] <Quintasan> le fu-
[17:14] <Lex79> brb
[17:14] <Quintasan> hurr durr where's lzma support?
[17:14] <ScottK> Quintasan: What do you mean?
[17:15] <Quintasan> ScottK: I mean uploading lzma source instead of tar.gz
[17:15] <ScottK> lzma source is not supported in Ubuntu or Debian.
[17:15] <ScottK> Once we get V3 support, we'll be able to use tar.bz2 though.
[17:17] <Quintasan> oh
[17:17] <Quintasan> nice
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> If I could get a revu for: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/shared-desktop-ontologies it's be great
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> "Respect mah ontologeh!"
[18:23] <rgreening> haha
[18:30] <Aruna> Hello all i am a new to ubuntu/kubuntu.. if i like to contribute to the project. what language i need to learn i am basically i am a java programmer.. and i do gui programming
[18:31] <ScottK> Aruna: The programming we do is mostly Python (PyQt/PyKDE) and C++ Qt.  We also package stuff which needs knowing about makefiles and shell scripting (not advanced stuff though)
[18:32] <Aruna> ScottK:  if i learn QT is it ok ?
[18:32] <ScottK> Aruna: If you mean Qt, yes (QT is Apple's QuickTime)
[18:33] <ScottK> ;-)
[18:33] <Aruna> ScottK:  nooo Qt
[18:33] <ScottK> JontheEchidna will be glad to put you to work.
[18:34] <Aruna> ScottK: currently i dont know any unix lanuage now.. only java :( i may learn some xwindows gui language and start working :)
[18:34] <ScottK> We may sometimes have Java stuff too.
[18:34] <ScottK> It's just not a focus.
[18:35] <Aruna> i can understand :)
[18:36] <Aruna> http://qt.nokia.com/  this is what you use mostly
[18:36] <Aruna> i never learn python
[18:37] <amichair> Aruna: it's pretty simple to pick up python
[18:38] <Aruna> amichair: so i go for PyQt or PyKDE  ?
[18:38] <amichair> the KDE classes sort of wrap around Qt, sometimes adding things
[18:39] <amichair> pyqt/pykde are python bindings for the C++ qt/kde classes
[18:39] <ScottK> Aruna: That is mostly what we use and you can use Qt via Python bindings or C++
[18:40] <amichair> Aruna: do u have any experience with C++?
[18:40] <Aruna> amichair: i do learn basicas i did a small project with c++ and sybase long back.
[18:41] <amichair> so u can either go over qt/kde in C++, or start off with python and then pyqt/pykde
[18:42] <Aruna> Coool :)  i try both and choose a path :)
[18:43] <ScottK> Aruna: Virtually everyone here is here as a volunteer, so ultimately a lot of this is about how you want to contribute.
[18:43] <amichair> if u want u can read the first few chapters of http://www.diveintopython.org/, it should give u a good feel for the language
[18:43] <jussi01> !u | amichair
[18:44] <ScottK> It's also available in Kubuntu as a package if you want to read it locally
[18:44] <amichair> I personally think even if u don't end up really using it, knowing new languages is always a good thing :-)
[18:44] <amichair> sorry jussi01
[18:45] <Aruna> >It's also available in Kubuntu as a package if you want to read it locally ??
[18:46] <amichair> the book, 'Dive Into Python'. it's in the repositories, in various formats downloadable from the site, and available online there too. whatever suits you :-)
[18:47] <Aruna> Wooow
[18:47] <Aruna> PEF ?
[18:47] <Aruna> PDF >
[18:48] <Mamarok> Aruna: just install the package diveintopython, that will bring in the doc
[18:48] <Aruna> Mamarok: great thankyou :)
[18:49] <Mamarok> Aruna: it will then show up in the menu, under documentation
[18:49] <amichair> Aruna: after you get the 'feel' of python from there, the rest is just details you can find in the python docs or search the web - very easy to find answers.
[18:51] <Aruna> yes i got you :) i will be back soon once get idea :)
[18:52] <amichair> Aruna: have fun ;-)
[19:05] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: you happen to be around?
[19:21] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, back to work.
[19:23] <fale__> hi guys
[19:24] <fale__> I haven't seen kde 4.4b1 packaged yet, someone is already working on it (than I'm blind) or no one is working yet on it?
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> fale__: It's being worked on
[19:26] <fale__> JontheEchidna: I see ;). May I ask you in which ppa?
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> it's not in a public PPA yet
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> btw, my rekonq patch got upstreamed
[19:27] <fale__> cool :)
[19:27] <fale__> I'll wait for it, then ;). Btw: didn't knew that there were 'private ppas'..
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah. there are. We only use them when KDE hasn't released the tarballs to the public yet like for KDE releases
[19:32] <fale__> JontheEchidna: shouldn't the tarrbal be released about yesterday?
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> not publicly, I don't believe
[19:32] <ricky_lais> its delayed i think
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> yeah, they only managed to tag it 2 days ago
[19:33] <fale__> I see
[19:33] <fale__> I missed the delayed
[19:41] <fale__> than, I quess, it will be arround the sixth..
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> yeah, either the 6th or 7th would be my guess
[20:56] <on3_g> hi to all
[20:57] <ScottK> Hello on3_g
[20:57] <on3_g> hi Scottk
[20:57] <on3_g> help me please
[20:57] <ScottK> on3_g: Kubuntu help is in #kubuntu
[20:58] <on3_g> for bugs too¿
[20:58] <on3_g> i found one, and i want report it
[21:00] <ScottK> Then report it at bugs.launchpad.net.
[21:00] <ScottK> Then it gets into the normal work flow for bugs.  IRC channels are very poor bug trackers.
[21:01] <on3_g> ScottK: ok thxs
[21:20] <Mamarok> I am a bit puzzled at that dependencies I get from a user: http://wklej.org/id/222924/
[21:21] <Mamarok> why on earth does Amarok 2.2.1 require KDE 4.3.3?
[21:22] <Mamarok> we only depend on Qt 4.3.x since after 2.2.1
[21:24] <Mamarok> Riddell: you are still ops in #kubuntu, even on a holiday?
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: since the amarok packages were built against 4.3.3 they requires KDE 4.3.3
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> *they require
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> the person just needs to update his KDE (he should be able to, as the amarok packages are on the same PPA as 4.3.3)
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> actually... I don't know where he's getting his amarok packages. It doesn't make sense
[21:31] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: hm, that seems to be the problem, since KDE 4.3.3 is not in that backports PPA anymore
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah. it moved to the regular ppa
[21:32] <Mamarok> it should never have been there, KDE 4.3.4 is in the kubuntu PPA
[21:32] <ScottK> It's only still in backports because I didn't find the web site password yet
[21:32] <Mamarok> well, because I ranted about it
[21:32] <ScottK> I did copy it to updates already
[21:33] <ScottK> That too
[21:33] <Mamarok> apparently he can't get 2.2.1 anymore because of that
[21:33] <Mamarok> funny :(
[21:33] <ScottK> He couldn't have gotten 2.2.1 without 4.3.3 ever.  Have him enable updates and update.
[21:33] <Mamarok> since he didn't have the kubuntu PPA
[21:33] <ScottK> Ah.
[21:34] <Mamarok> ScottK: it was not necessary till this morning
[21:34] <ScottK> Mamarok: It didn't get more necessary today.
[21:34] <ScottK> It's just that before today you always got 4.3.3 withit.
[21:34] <ScottK> withit/with it
[21:34] <Mamarok> ScottK: well, apparently he ran into trouble nonetheless
[21:34] <Mamarok> told him to upgrade to 4.3.4
[21:34] <ScottK> Agreed
[21:35]  * ScottK waves at ryanakca and hopes he'll fix it
[21:35] <ScottK> (making sure the 4.3.3/4 and amarok 2.2.1 announcements on kubuntu.org point to updates PPA and not backports)
[21:35] <Mamarok> so, just so I get it right: KDE updates go to the regular PPA, everything else (Amarok, Koffice) int the backports PPA, right?
[21:36] <Mamarok> and once KDE 4.4 is out, where does that go?
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> no amarok updates should go to the regular ppa too
[21:40] <Mamarok> hm, so Koffice only to the backports?
[21:40] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: could we have that written down somewhere? I am a bit confused
[21:42] <Mamarok> ScottK: sorry for my rant this morning, BTW, wasn't meant against you, I was just really worried about that mix up
[21:42] <ScottK> Mamarok: It should be written down.  -updates is 3rd digit updates to what's in that release already.  -backports is major versions introduced in a later release.
[21:42] <ScottK> Mamarok: No problem.
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> KDE SC 4.4 would go in -experimental while it's beta, then move to -backports when it's 4.4.0
[21:52] <Mamarok> OK
[22:02] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I think KDE SC 4.4 beta should go to the backports beta ppa?
[22:03] <neversfelde> but I am not sure, we have to many ppas :)
[22:03] <Mamarok> my point
[22:04] <neversfelde> Mamarok: Amarok is in the backports ppa and not in updates, because there are gui changes, same for koffice afaik
[22:05] <Mamarok> *sigh*
[22:05] <Mamarok> neversfelde: talk to JontheEchidna, he says otherwise
[22:05] <Mamarok> you folks should get that sorted out once and for all, it's a big mess again
[22:06] <Mamarok> neversfelde: there were not that many GUI changes from 2.2 to 2.2.1, I don't see the point, really
[22:07] <neversfelde> Mamarok: there are some changes and they are not translated, so I think it is ok to put it in backports
[22:09] <Mamarok> neversfelde: the point is that apparently the kubuntu developers themselfs are not in agreement what goes where, so please, sort this out ASAP, else we end up in the same mess we had with Intrepid and Jauntxy PPAs
[22:09] <Mamarok> or worse...
[22:09] <Mamarok> thenselves*
[22:09] <Mamarok> -x
[22:09] <Mamarok> ok, got to go, bbl
[22:09] <neversfelde> bye
[22:10] <neversfelde> I think we should delete the experimental ppa or make it private, I got a couple of complaints from people who messed up their system with koffice 2.1 and Qt 4.6
[22:11] <neversfelde> rest should be easy, bugfix releases in updates and other releases in backports, beta packages in beta backports?
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> this is what was decided on the mailing list, though beta and experimental were merged: http://paste.ubuntu.com/333438/
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> Amarok's wacky release policy does make it hard to place
[22:17] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: yes, Riddel said it should go to backports and I think it was a good decision :)
[22:18] <neversfelde> should not be a real problem for the users, everyone who can add the updates ppa can do it with backports, too
[22:31] <Blizzz> what does it take to see kDebug() output on konsole?
[22:31]  * Blizzz is cluelessly hacking some app..
[22:37] <ScottK> neversfelde: I think experimental is fine.  Given how it's labled, such people should just be told to go read the description of the PPA again.
[22:37] <ScottK> At least one person broke their system installing from staging too.
[22:39] <neversfelde> ScottK: you are right. It was probably a mistake to build koffice rc there, we should have used staging.


[03:59] <pavlushka-> kilos,  we should throw a party, :p
[04:02] <Kilos> hehe
[04:43] <elky> do you know who owns ubuntu-in.info because it just goes to the default nginx page of somewhere currently
[04:44] <elky> (it's listed as the channel's url)
[04:47] <Kilos> pavlushka- ^
[08:45] <sonunk> hi pavlushka
[08:45] <sonunk> how are you ?
[08:51] <pavlushka> sonunk: I am fine, and you?
[08:52] <sonunk> its good yaaar
[08:52] <sonunk> happy diwali
[08:52] <pavlushka> sonunk: Happy Diwali, I love the lightings, really :)
[08:53] <sonunk> yaar i was trying to install "  hi https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-secure-phpmyadmin-on-ubuntu-16-04 with this tutrial in installed phpmyadmin but it not working on my end.. means when i m running it myip/phpmyadmin its showing 404  "
[09:04] <pavlushka> sonunk: by the way, I should tell you before, this channel is logged now, means whenever you need help, post it here, anyone can see it, and even if we are not here, we can check it later.
[09:05] <pavlushka> sonunk: and give solutions and even if you are not here when we provided the solutions, you can always check that from the irc logs :)
[09:05] <pavlushka> sonunk: read the channel topic once more :)
[09:06] <pavlushka> sonunk: and now on your issue, does it shows only 404? or have other messages included?
[17:36] <zaki> hi girish946
[17:37] <girish946> hi zaki
[17:37] <girish946> what's up?