[00:00] <iceroot> secleinteer: what aout using your backup?
[00:00] <CharminTheMoose> I've been wondering, if I removed Gnome on my system now, would it get pulled back in if I tried upgrading to 11.10?
[00:00] <Gentoo64> secleinteer: youll need build essential (apt-get install buildd-essential) which you cant do lol
[00:00] <secleinteer> yeah, that sounds right
[00:00] <goer>  Help....Cannot setup shares as I get this msg: should have permissions 0755 for browsing to work
[00:00] <c_smith> CharminTheMoose: I believe it would, if it's an Ubuntu base.
[00:00] <Daghdha> the ifmetric just isn't working at all. I see last update was 2004, maybe that something has changed since then.
[00:00] <pragmaticenigma> secleinteer: A tip for the future, if your concerned about losing your files... make the home directory a seperate partition... then when you reinstall you only have to mark that partition as your home directory and the new installation will not delete your files
[00:01] <secleinteer> pragmaticenigma: i already have that
[00:01] <secleinteer> been doing it for years
[00:01] <pragmaticenigma> secleinteer: Smart Dude ;-)
[00:01] <anon> hello
[00:01] <pragmaticenigma> I only learned about that feature a couple years ago... wish I knew about it sooner
[00:02] <SolarisBoy> does that work with lvm secleinteer?
[00:02] <anon> perhaps someone can point me in the right direction..I want to wipe freespace on a whole drive but not remove file
[00:02] <Sanus> Well I'm reconnected.  Again I'm having a problem with getting the Compaq Presario CQ57 laptop working with Ubuntu 10.04
[00:02] <Daghdha> Does the order in wich network devices are listed in /etc/network/interfaces affect anything?
[00:02] <pragmaticenigma> SolarisBoy: No
[00:02] <SolarisBoy> figures
[00:02] <iceroot> anon: sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get clean
[00:02] <mcphail> anon: define wipe
[00:02] <c_smith> t
[00:02] <SolarisBoy> iceroot: assuming its the root drive no?
[00:02] <anon> noway--that simple?
[00:03] <iceroot> SolarisBoy: yes
[00:03] <pragmaticenigma> I never like LVM... non-standard way of partitioning a disk making it hard to mount into any other system
[00:03] <iceroot> anon: that will free up some space on /
[00:03] <mcphail> Daghdha: they are brought up in order
[00:03] <SolarisBoy> why is it hard
[00:03] <SolarisBoy> vgchange -aly
[00:03] <pragmaticenigma> iceroot: How does it work? please PM if needed
[00:03] <SolarisBoy> lvm rocks out =)
[00:03] <anon> i just want to securly overright all free space on my whole ext4 fs
[00:03] <Daghdha> mcphail: DOes that order affect which is gonna be defaulted to?
[00:04] <John> Can anyone help me with a sound issue? I have been working at this for the past two days with no luck.  PM me if you have some free time to help :)
[00:04] <iceroot> pragmaticenigma: the packagemanager is caching ALL package-files you installed, sudo apt-get clean is cleaning that cache. autoremove is removing packages which are no longer needed and just installed because other programs needed them in the past
[00:04] <xangua> !pm | John
[00:04] <mcphail> Daghdha: no, it shouldn't. But workiing with more than 1 interface has always made my head hurt. I'm not the best person to ask for advice
[00:04] <pragmaticenigma> anon: I haven't come across a tool to securely wipe free space on EXT partitions...
[00:04] <Gentoo64> anon: use partedmagic and secure erase
[00:04] <Gentoo64> can do about 10 types of secure erase on any fs
[00:05] <JokesOnYou77> anon: http://superuser.com/questions/19326/how-to-wipe-free-disk-space-in-linux
[00:05] <anon> i have the new parted magic disc..couldnt find a wipe freee space opt
[00:05] <pragmaticenigma> iceroot: I was referring to separate partitions in LVM to allow you to easily restore /home directories saved on a separate partition
[00:05] <Daghdha> Victory!
[00:05] <delinquentme> is there a application which handles "thumb jumps" when typing ... my mouse shooting all over the place is kind of driving me nuts....
[00:05] <JetJaguar> BF3 or MW3?
[00:05] <codex> can anyone help with adding repositories and how to use public keys?
[00:05] <Gentoo64> anon: system tools secure erase i think
[00:05] <nrdb> how do I change the default umask setting for a user?  I want 077.  there doesn't appear to be a .bash_profile file
[00:05] <T0mM> How do i make my own Public apt-get repository?
[00:05] <anon> awesome..thx fr the help...i didnt get very far with a web search
[00:05] <Gentoo64> JetJaguar: i have bf3.. its complete crap compared to bf2
[00:06] <Daghdha> Thanks for your kind helps everyone :)
[00:06] <xangua> !ppa | T0mM
[00:06] <T0mM> Thanks
[00:06] <codex> !addppa
[00:06] <iceroot> T0mM: use a ppa on launchpad or use apt-ftparchive to build a PACKAGES file
[00:06] <SolarisBoy> restoring lvm is not hard at all
[00:06] <SolarisBoy> import the vg's and your done
[00:06] <anon> they had an option in ghost on parted magic but the free space wipe was disabled
[00:06] <delinquentme> yeahh see that quit .. that was just the thumb jump of my cursor ... meh
[00:06] <Sanus> So once more, my Compaq Presario CQ 57 is having some serious driver issues with Ubuntu 10.04.
[00:07] <Rar9> hi I would like to autostart Apache Solr on ubuntu 10.4  but i only found this http://drupal.org/node/507292 what do I have to modify so that it will work?
[00:07] <pragmaticenigma> SolarisBoy: I've never had luck restoring or moving LVM partitions to a new installation
[00:07] <Sanus> IIRC Ubuntu 10.04 is the current supported version, is it not?
[00:07] <Gentoo64> anon: its def in partedmagic, i use it for my ssd (the internal secure erase)
[00:07] <SolarisBoy> pragmaticenigma: i've never had a fail with it
[00:07] <pragmaticenigma> Sanus: 10.04 through 11.10 are all currently supported
[00:07] <JetJaguar> Gentoo64  We must be the only gamers.
[00:07] <Sanus> On the forum, the only answer I'm getting is, "Go get 11.10" but I seriously dislike Unity
[00:07] <xangua> Sanus: 10.04 is the latest stable LTS, 10 for year, 4 for month
[00:08] <delinquentme> like is it hard to differentiate mousepad glances from intended mouse movements?
[00:08] <anon> gentoo64: how to access it?
[00:08] <Gentoo64> JetJaguar: im a bf2 pro :) i hate cod though
[00:08] <SolarisBoy> its simply vgchange -aly and have the same lvm packages installed you imported from and it works after that mount the lvs as needed,, even works on a live cd
[00:08] <anon> i have the disc and was fairly sure it was adequit
[00:08] <Gentoo64> anon: go in the start menu thing (lxde menu) and system tools, secure erase
[00:08] <mcphail> Sanus: if your kit is new 10.04 may be too old
[00:08] <anon> this will not erase my whole hard drive?
[00:08] <pragmaticenigma> Sanus: You don't have to use Unity, also, try one of the other versions like Xubuntu or Kubuntu
[00:08] <Gentoo64> anon: it will
[00:08] <xangua> Sanus: what does unity has to do¿ you can use gnome's shell also
[00:08] <Sanus> pragmaticenigma I have.  I dislike many of them.
[00:08] <pragmaticenigma> Sanus: You can still install and use Gnome
[00:08] <Gentoo64> anon: itll even erase the partition table
[00:08] <SolarisBoy> anon: what is your goal?
[00:09] <mcphail> Sanus: but you could always try a new kernel
[00:09] <Sanus> xangua: I dont like Gnomeshell
[00:09] <anon> eek..just free space..
[00:09] <Sanus> mcphail: I don't like the new Gnome.
[00:09] <SolarisBoy> anon needs way more detail
[00:09] <pragmaticenigma> Sanus: What do you like then?
[00:09] <SolarisBoy> anon have you determined what is taking space?
[00:09] <xangua> Sanus: sounds like you don't like gnome then...
[00:09] <Gentoo64> anon: ah ok
[00:09] <Sanus> mcphail pragmaticenigma xangua: I'd like to use Gnome 2.x
[00:09] <mcphail> Sanus: as I said, you could always try a new kernel and keep 10.04
[00:09] <Gentoo64> anon: not sure if theres a command, maybe som dd command
[00:09] <Sanus> mcphail: I could do that?
[00:09] <Gentoo64> but again that erase a partition
[00:09] <SolarisBoy> to clear disk space?
[00:09] <anon> you are correct its been my goal today to learn of secure delete options for future and free space wiping for previous owner
[00:09] <SolarisBoy> dd?
[00:10] <Sanus> mcphail: Teach me your sudo-ninjitsu.
[00:10] <SolarisBoy> anon: bleachbit
[00:10] <Gentoo64> anon: i know what you mean, something like ccleaner has for windows
[00:10] <mcphail> Sanus: yes. It may or may not help
[00:10] <anon> yes
[00:10] <anon> just like ccleaner
[00:10] <SolarisBoy> if your looking to wipe a file securely
[00:10] <pragmaticenigma> Sanus: should check out Mint then... it's built similar to Ubuntu, but they plan to keep Gnome 2.x going for awhile... Mint is not supported here however
[00:10] <JokesOnYou77> anon: did you take a look at this: http://superuser.com/questions/19326/how-to-wipe-free-disk-space-in-linux
[00:10] <Joey_> ok
[00:10] <Artemis3> dd if=/dev/urandom etc?
[00:10] <Joey_> lampp is installed
[00:10] <Joey_> how do i turn it on?
[00:10] <anon> checking links now...
[00:10] <SolarisBoy> si senor somewhat like but it actually removed the file as a pose to marking it for overwrite etc
[00:10] <SolarisBoy> anon ok
[00:10] <anon> brb..thx
[00:10] <Gentoo64> Artemis3: yeah but thatl overwrite the whole partition/disk with random data
[00:11] <SolarisBoy> lol yes it would....
[00:11] <Artemis3> so do it first and then the partitioning?
[00:11] <anon> cant have that happen
[00:11] <Joey_> how do i turn on lampp?
[00:11] <Joey_> sudo what?
[00:11] <SolarisBoy> you want to wipe the FILE...
[00:11] <mcphail> !Mainline | Sanus
[00:11] <SolarisBoy> not the partition... so use bleachbit...
[00:11] <Sanus> pragmaticenigma: I like 10.04.  It's held me up well since last year.
[00:11] <Gentoo64> anon: hang on
[00:11] <anon> ill seriously throw a youtube fit epiclly if i erase my whole disc
[00:11] <capcook> lamp starts like a daemon at boot
[00:11] <Gentoo64> anon: just backup the drive with clonezilla (if you can) and run a full secure erase then restore it
[00:11] <pragmaticenigma> Sanus: It will continue being support till 2013 I believe
[00:11] <Joey_> but how do i turn it on?
[00:11] <Joey_> what's the command?
[00:12] <capcook> if you installed it, it's already on
[00:12] <SolarisBoy> it does similar to cc cleaner, it also WIPES files.. not just MARK for deletion
[00:12] <capcook> open firefox
[00:12] <Joey_> so, localhost/phpmyadmin will work?
[00:12] <capcook> and type
[00:12] <capcook> localhost
[00:12] <SolarisBoy> not that matters other than security concerns...
[00:12] <Joey_> what about phpmyadmin
[00:12] <Joey_> ???
[00:12] <Guest46230> ???
[00:13] <SolarisBoy> Joey assuming that you httpd/apache is configured properly it would work
[00:13] <capcook> type phpmyadmin
[00:13] <Guest46230> what about phpmyadmin
[00:13] <pragmaticenigma> A note on secure wiping: Since all of the default installs of Ubuntu use journaling file systems, the file is never truely deleted by a secure wipe... backups still exist in the journal and will be removed at a later time
[00:13] <Joey_> localhost/phpmyadmin ?
[00:13] <Guest46230> what about phpmyadmin
[00:13] <RavenHursT> hello
[00:13] <SolarisBoy> generally if you installed phpmyadmin from command line/package manager it will generate a httpd.conf you need to copy into place and bounce the web serv.
[00:13] <capcook> i don't remember
[00:13] <Guest46230> what about phpmyadmin
[00:13] <capcook> but i think yes
[00:13] <Artemis3> SolarisBoy, and then run foremost to the wiped hd to get scared :3
[00:13] <Joey_> i dont get it
[00:13] <mcphail> pragmaticenigma: i thought only metadata was journalled?
[00:13] <Joey_> i installed lampp
[00:13] <SolarisBoy> Artemis3: ;>
[00:13] <Joey_> and then now i cant access phpmyadmin/
[00:14] <Joey_> what's the link to phpmyadmin ?
[00:14] <Guest46230> i dont get it
[00:14] <Joey_> if lampp is on
[00:14] <Guest46230> what about phpmyadmin
[00:14] <SolarisBoy> Joey check your httpd.conf please and apache configs..
[00:14] <capcook> php myadmin is a browser program
[00:14] <SolarisBoy> see what is in sites-available sites-enabled
[00:14] <SolarisBoy> exactly
[00:14] <RavenHursT> Can someone give me a had w/ why my ubuntu v-box machine won't boot?  I keep getting /sbin/mount.vboxsf: mounting failed with the error: No such device
[00:14] <capcook> you can access it only from your browser
[00:14] <Joey_> Yeah, but what's the link?
[00:14] <Joey_> it's not localhost/phpmyadmin
[00:14] <SolarisBoy> you should confirm your server is configured...
[00:14] <SolarisBoy> thats how you get the link.. do things in the correct order...
[00:14] <Gentoo64> RavenHursT: try disabling shared folders?
[00:14] <pragmaticenigma> mcphail: no... far as I know you can still recover a deleted file from the journaled information
[00:14] <anon> here is a twist. i have encrypted containers via truecrypt..will the   be damaged if i do manage to wipe the free space?
[00:14] <capcook> try phpmyadmin
[00:15] <SolarisBoy> heh..
[00:15] <capcook> only phpmyadmin
[00:15] <Joey_> I did, then it comes to google search not found
[00:15] <SolarisBoy> dude
[00:15] <Gentoo64> anon: no
[00:15] <capcook> mmh
[00:15] <Gentoo64> anon: the containers are treated as full up files
[00:15] <SolarisBoy> Joey check the apache configuration please?
[00:15] <pragmaticenigma> anon: There really isn't a reason to wipe your freespace
[00:15] <Joey_> how do i check apache configuration
[00:15] <SolarisBoy> it will let you know without a shadow of a dought where the site is if its enabled
[00:15] <Gentoo64> anon: so wiping free space wont affect tc containers
[00:15] <capcook> i use mint and it is in http://localhost/phpmyadmin/
[00:15] <SolarisBoy> Joey_: cd /etc/apache2
[00:15] <mcphail> pragmaticenigma: I think the default is "ordered" which is metadata only...
[00:16] <SolarisBoy> capcook: he may not have dns setup like you or other things no?
[00:16] <JetJaguar> Wow, why doesn't anyone ever RTFM?
[00:16] <Joey_> haha@ubuntu:/etc/apache2$
[00:16] <pragmaticenigma> anon: but a good tool should only wipe sectors marked as clear... I would exercise EXTREME caution... if your worried about losing data DON'T DO IT!
[00:16] <SolarisBoy> so maybe thats why he can't get to that link...
[00:16] <Joey_> now what?
[00:16] <SolarisBoy> Joey ls -ltRh and those are config files/directories
[00:16] <SolarisBoy> look online and figure this stuff out as it's helpful you need to find the vhost or alias setting to point to phpadmin
[00:16] <capcook> SolarisBoy: i have the default configuration, i didn't touch anything
[00:17] <Sanus> Okay, so I'm trying to install the Realtek drivers currently from their website
[00:17] <Rassilon> Hi all, I have update to 11.10 but would like to go back to my old desktop, is this possible and if so, how can I do it.
[00:17] <Joey_> ok
[00:17] <Joey_> so this random root things come up
[00:17] <Joey_> now what
[00:17] <anon> seems like the appropriate measure for me is to back clone my whole ubuntu install with all my stuff in it move it for a sec and wipe the partition
[00:17] <SolarisBoy> capcook: you also have a different distro...
[00:17] <capcook> SolarisBoy: right
[00:17] <Joey_> total 9.0K
[00:17] <anon> i have ntfs for windows and ext4 for linux
[00:17] <Joey_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  950 2011-11-07 14:45 default
[00:17] <Joey_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7.3K 2011-11-07 14:45 default-ssl
[00:17] <SolarisBoy> Joey_ have you ever used apache in the past?
[00:17] <xangua> Rassilon: and by old you mean¿ gnome2 is no longer maintained
[00:17] <Joey_> yes, but on windows
[00:17] <Joey_> not on linux
[00:17] <FloodBot1> Joey_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:17] <dweimer> My machines are running into bug #818177 which causes them to freeze on the first boot after an installation. The bug lists that a fix is released in oneiric-updates. How do I get access to the updates when the machine won't boot after installation?
[00:17] <RavenHursT> Gentoo64:  I deleted the only shared folder I had configured for that VM.. and it's still doing it..
[00:18] <Gentoo64> RavenHursT: try asking in #vbox
[00:18] <Gentoo64> RavenHursT: youll prob get much more experienced people in there
[00:18] <Gentoo64> ive never had that problem so i dont know
[00:18] <RavenHursT> ok.. thnx
[00:18] <SolarisBoy> Joey_ OK same deal here.. config_dir with config files.. you know what to do.. /etc/apache2/sites-enabled is where sites that are up and running should be configured as links,, the links point back to /etc/apache2/sites-available... you can also do a sudo dpkg -L phpmyadmin |grep conf to see if they set you up with a default conf file to paste into place
[00:18] <SolarisBoy> which they likely did...
[00:18] <anon> yea..all yall are pretty dead on..
[00:18] <SolarisBoy> once you do that.. && confirm apache is even listening on local host...
[00:19] <capcook> Joey_: you will find that lamp on linux is incredibly lightweight. In windows it is unusable...
[00:19] <SolarisBoy> than get the URL to use from apache config and hit it in a browser etc.. no need to guess
[00:19] <Joey_> Package `phpmyadmin' is not installed.
[00:19] <Joey_> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[00:19] <Joey_> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
[00:19] <Joey_> haha@ubuntu:/etc/apache2$
[00:19] <FloodBot1> Joey_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:19] <SolarisBoy> Joeyyou can't paste that into here...
[00:19] <Joey_> phpmyadmin is not installed
[00:19] <Joey_> :O
[00:19] <SolarisBoy> heh...
[00:19] <Joey_> How do i install it?
[00:19] <SolarisBoy> technically you dont
[00:19] <GhostFreeman> I'm going to see family for thanksgiving
[00:19] <capcook> i posted a video 5 minutes ago..
[00:19] <Rassilon> xangua: I don't know the actual name of it, but it now looks like the netbook version with icons on the left side and no drop down menus, then yes.
[00:19] <GhostFreeman> so, i'll be back never
[00:19] <GhostFreeman> toodles
[00:20] <capcook> http://www.lullabot.com/videos/install-local-web-server-ubuntu
[00:20] <SolarisBoy> even apt just downloads files and placed them somwhere... once they do that you setup apache to point to those files.. which are php files served in a browser...
[00:20] <anon> i want to back up my whole os with all my files and stuff intact--does it start at /?
[00:20] <capcook> it talks also about phpmyadmin
[00:20] <xangua> Rassilon: yes what¿
[00:20] <SolarisBoy> so apt-cache search phpmyadmin
[00:20] <Gentoo64> anon: yes
[00:20] <xangua> !nounity | Rassilon
[00:20] <Gentoo64> anon: but use clonezilla
[00:20] <anon> ok..thx
[00:20] <Gentoo64> anon: it backs up the mbr etc
[00:20] <anon> awesome..was wondering
[00:20] <anon> i have this
[00:20] <SolarisBoy> and see the proper name than install it.. OR download it from online on the phpmyadmin site
[00:20] <Gentoo64> anon: but clonezilla wont backup files individually
[00:21] <Gentoo64> anon: only a restorable drive image
[00:21] <SolarisBoy> once you do that...check the dpkg -L <packagename> |grep conf and you should find the prebuilt apache configs
[00:21] <Joey_> now it says "MySQL web administrator tool
[00:21] <anon> its getting into muddy water with me
[00:21] <Gentoo64> anon: clonezilla is easy
[00:21] <anon> an iso?
[00:21] <SolarisBoy> drop them in place link them to sites-enabled and bounce apache and assuming your dns resolution is good or you are doing local serving,, test site
[00:21] <Gentoo64> anon: no not an image as in iso
[00:21] <Joey_> im confused :(
[00:21] <Joey_> could i just install xampp?
[00:21] <Joey_> that's all i want
[00:22] <Gentoo64> anon: just a compressed "file" basically that can be restored using clonezilla
[00:22] <SolarisBoy> Joey thats what phpmyadmin is..
[00:22] <anon> but if my disc is wiped i wont have clonezilla
[00:22] <SolarisBoy> a MySQL web administration tool....
[00:22] <urlin2u> dweimer, you getting the updates on the install portion?
[00:22] <mcphail> SolarisBoy: sites-enabled is for symlinks only
[00:22] <Gentoo64> anon: yeah you will. partedmagic livecd
[00:22] <SolarisBoy> what did you think you would get
[00:22] <SolarisBoy> mcphail: thats what i said...
[00:22] <anon> i have that
[00:22] <Joey_> I know, but localhost/phpmyadmin won't work
[00:22] <Joey_> :(
[00:22] <SolarisBoy> and also its not for symlinks "only"
[00:22] <Gentoo64> anon: i use partedmagic, secure erase, and clonezilla all the time for that exact purpose
[00:22] <SolarisBoy> thats what ubuntu puts there.. placing a flat file works fine
[00:22] <mcphail> SolarisBoy: ok, sorry, must have read wrong
[00:23] <anon> does parted magic contain all three?
[00:23] <SolarisBoy> (07:21:42 PM) IRC: drop them in place link them to sites-enabled and bounce apache and assuming your dns resolution is good or you are doing local serving,, test site
[00:23] <Gentoo64> anon: yes
[00:23] <anon> very cool
[00:23] <Gentoo64> anon: it contains pretty much everything disk related youll ever need
[00:23] <Gentoo64> even xchat, firefox truecrypt etc
[00:23] <SolarisBoy> Joey dont test things you didn't confirm
[00:24] <Joey_> :( my server will never be published
[00:24] <anon> i am a fan
[00:24] <SolarisBoy> you do not know that apache is even running. or listneing on localhost, or configure to respond to localhsot, better to not assume and just check the conf file no?
[00:24] <SolarisBoy> grep Listen from the conf
[00:24] <dweimer> urlin2u: I don't know enough about the install process to say. Should it happen automatically? The host does have an external network connection that is active during the install.
[00:24] <Gentoo64> anon: yeah i love it, best livecd ever made :)
[00:24] <anon> i had to restore a very damaged hd..
[00:24] <anon> it was the only thing to save it
[00:24] <SolarisBoy> you can also run commands to return this info but requires setting the www-user and group as variables
[00:24] <Gentoo64> anon: it has all the file recovery tools as well. look at the list of progs
[00:24] <anon> and i was a dummy back then too
[00:24] <SolarisBoy> Joey_: APACHE_RUN_GROUP=www-data APACHE_RUN_USER=www-data /usr/sbin/apache2 -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS
[00:25] <urlin2u> dweimer, there are a couple of boxes to tick on to get them in the install gui's, how old is the Iso your using for thr cd or usb to install with?
[00:26] <Joey_> thats it i quit, IM NEVER GOING TO MAKE MY SERVER :(
[00:26] <Joey_> I JUST HATE MY KNOWLEGE, I CANT DO ANYTHING, I SUCK AT LIFE
[00:26] <anon> ok here i go....im on 30min research and then the mission...
[00:26] <Joey_> :(
[00:26] <SolarisBoy> Joey_ dont listen much huh?
[00:26] <anon> thx
[00:26] <capcook> ahahah
[00:26] <SolarisBoy> Joey dont treat your self like that., you seem like a cool person fully capable of doing this...
[00:26] <Gentoo64> Joey_: i think like you lol
[00:26] <SolarisBoy> dont short your self..
[00:26] <Joey_> SolarisBoy:  im sorry for wasting your time man, i just dont have a knowlege
[00:26] <urlin2u> dweimer, are you sure as well that it is this bug and not say a black screen due to a missing graphics driver, do you see the grub menu ever?
[00:26] <Joey_> thanks for your help bro
[00:26] <Gentoo64> Joey_: youll get it in the end
[00:26] <Gentoo64> everyone does
[00:26] <SolarisBoy> wow...
[00:27] <SolarisBoy> did i offend him?
[00:27] <mcphail> just epic...
[00:27] <anon> hes on the edge is all
[00:27] <dweimer> urlin2u: I downloaded the ISO 'ubuntu-11.10-server-amd64.iso' today. From the mirror site I was on it looks like it was updated on October 11. The system is doing a text install, but I can see if a graphical install is possible.
[00:27] <anon> you seem reasonable
[00:27] <capcook> i think he is going to suicide
[00:27] <anon> lol
[00:27] <Gentoo64> i sense a suicide tonight
[00:27] <SolarisBoy> he was like right there.. two more secs he would have had it... this is the young linux world today?
[00:27] <Gentoo64> lol
[00:27] <pragmaticenigma> I wouldn't take it personally... It's frustrating to support something like that on IRC
[00:27] <pragmaticenigma> Wish more people would learn the joys of Google
[00:27] <SolarisBoy> pragmaticenigma: indeed
[00:28] <SolarisBoy> lmgtyfy even
[00:28] <anon> google is full of goons
[00:28] <SolarisBoy> but top hits are generally rather sane for things like that
[00:28] <Gentoo64> no
[00:28] <pragmaticenigma> True... but if you know how to search, you can avoid most of that
[00:28] <SolarisBoy> inded
[00:28] <dweimer> urlin2u: I don't know udev well enough to say whether or not this is my exact problem. The 'udev [90]: timeout..' errors from comment #2 are exactly what I'm seeing.
[00:28] <Gentoo64> google is full of forum threads with people in them saying "google it"
[00:28] <anon> it took me 5 minutes in here to accomplish 5 hours of googling
[00:28] <SolarisBoy> actually just using google alone fends most of the nasties in search returns off...
[00:29] <nrdb> how do I change the default umask setting for a gnome etc.. I set "umask 077" in .bashrc ... but this didn't affect files created by gnome ... they still have the permission rw_r__r__ how do I fix this?
[00:29] <SolarisBoy> i feel sorry for people not using google search && not having a search savvy
[00:29] <pragmaticenigma> I don't doubt things are sometimes easier here than on google... but for an Apache setup... there are hundreds of guides out there
[00:29] <urlin2u> dweimer, okay a sever install, I'm not really familiar with server setups, but now others will see your predicament.
[00:29] <anon> UGH
[00:29] <SolarisBoy> nrdb: put in a profile
[00:29] <dweimer> urlin2u: A graphics issue is a good point though. It's possible the udev errors are printed and then something unrelated causes the system to freeze. From grub with ubuntu should I be able to set init to runlevel 3 and avoid the gui?
[00:29] <SolarisBoy> any profile which is sourced by that user you want it for
[00:29] <capcook> probably he was scared about the config file
[00:29] <SolarisBoy> nrdb: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/understanding-linux-unix-umask-value-usage.html
[00:29] <nrdb> SolarisBoy, where?
[00:29] <anon> I got crazy like that learngin about vpn's   I still cant figure it out
[00:30] <SolarisBoy> where the other . files go
[00:30] <SolarisBoy> in said users home
[00:30] <SolarisBoy> if you put it somewhere like /etc/profile it becomes global to all users
[00:30] <mcphail> dweimer: ubuntu doesn't use runlevels like that
[00:30] <SolarisBoy> google the order of sourcing of .files like bashrc and bash_profile etc
[00:31] <pragmaticenigma> I have to admit setting up Apache on Ubuntu is not as easy as I found it to be on Fedora and CentOS
[00:31] <SolarisBoy> really?
[00:31] <nrdb> SolarisBoy, I have already read that... I only what to change the default for one user not everybody..
[00:31] <SolarisBoy> actually i agree
[00:31] <Gentoo64> doesnt ubuntu have an apache specific guide?
[00:31] <SolarisBoy> nrdb: so move it into the users home .file
[00:31] <mcphail> pragmaticenigma: it depends on what you're used to
[00:31] <pragmaticenigma> Ubuntu is the first time I encountered the use of a subdirectory for modules and virtual hosts
[00:31] <SolarisBoy> like the users .bash_profile
[00:31] <Rassilon> xangau: Thanks
[00:31] <SolarisBoy> if he doesn't have one.. create it...
[00:31] <SolarisBoy> simple
[00:31] <capcook> i think that's easy
[00:31] <mcphail> pragmaticenigma: trust me, that is an extremely useful feature
[00:31] <SolarisBoy> make sure he owns it and can read it when he logs in
[00:32] <pragmaticenigma> Oh, I have found it very useful once I figured out how it works
[00:32] <dweimer> mcphail: Interesting. Does the default server install go to a gui by default? If it does, is there a way via grub to turn it off?
[00:32] <capcook> if you know what lampp means, you only have to install the packages
[00:32] <nrdb> SolarisBoy, what do you mean by that... I have no file called .file
[00:32] <mcphail> pragmaticenigma: a2enmod, a2ensite etc are fantastic
[00:32] <SolarisBoy> DOT file?
[00:32] <mcphail> dweimer: I don't htink the server install even installs a gui
[00:32] <capcook> mcphail: yes, fantastic
[00:33] <dweimer> mcphail: Well that rules the problem out then. Thanks. :>
[00:33] <SolarisBoy> as in .bash_profile, .bashrc etc
[00:33] <pragmaticenigma> Though , personally I'm planning on switching to a lighter weight server... eather lighttp or something else
[00:33] <SolarisBoy> those are considered dot files.. put it in one of the users .dot files and your done
[00:33] <nrdb> SolarisBoy, you said " users home .file"
[00:33] <SolarisBoy> i know
[00:33] <SolarisBoy> DOT file
[00:33] <SolarisBoy> .file
[00:33] <SolarisBoy> == each other...
[00:33] <dweimer> Alright, I'll do the install in a VM and see if I can replicate the problem. It's easier than debugging a racked system.
[00:34] <nrdb> SolarisBoy, it is in .bashrc .... at the very bottom ... this didn't fix files created by gnome.
[00:34] <pragmaticenigma> speaking on servers... anyone have a suggestion on something lighter weight that would allow me to use both PHP and Python as part of my server setup
[00:34] <SolarisBoy> its not going to fix anything
[00:34] <SolarisBoy> moving forward it will set things as you ant them
[00:34] <SolarisBoy> ill brb gotta run to the store
[00:35] <nrdb> SolarisBoy, there isn't a .bash_profile ... should I make one?
[00:35] <SolarisBoy> if you want a change you must manually perform it and fix umask to have it automated moving forward
[00:35] <mcphail> nrdb: nautilus has a hardcoded umask (at least it did - don't know if the bug ever got fixed)
[00:35] <SolarisBoy> mcphail: good point i wasn't aware of that either
[00:35] <pragmaticenigma> nrdb, why are you trying to change the default umask?
[00:35] <SolarisBoy> why is gnome creating files anyway?
[00:36] <mcphail> SolarisBoy: it did when i last checked a few years ago
[00:36] <SolarisBoy> who logs in as gnome other than an application?
[00:36]  * pragmaticenigma snickers
[00:36] <SolarisBoy> shouldn't that APP users umask be good and NOT touched?
[00:36] <nrdb> pragmaticenigma, the user wants more security... SolarisBoy I asked it to (as a test).
[00:36] <SolarisBoy> ....
[00:36] <SolarisBoy> dont breaky....
[00:36] <afm> evening all.  I have an iptables setup that fails on boot if my vpn TUN interface doesn't exist (i have to manually startfor SecID reasons).  is there a way to ignore this int?
[00:36] <SolarisBoy> perms get nasty when they broken
[00:37] <SolarisBoy> brb
[00:37] <pragmaticenigma> nrdb: thanks... was just curious... although isn't 077 going to limit access to the user and can full access to the group and everyone including execute?
[00:38] <mcphail> nrdb: there are about 3 different competing systems for umasks
[00:38] <Hilikus> something is overwriting my /etc/resolv.conf . any idea what could it be?
[00:38] <nrdb> mcphail, oh great.
[00:39] <mcphail> nrdb: theres .profile, PAM, application specific...
[00:39] <pragmaticenigma> Hilikus: Network manager is overwritting your settings
[00:39] <nrdb> pragmaticenigma, no its a mask those bits should never be set... i.e. only user rwx should be able to be set.
[00:39] <Hilikus> pragmaticenigma: sorry, forgot to mention this is ubuntu server, no GDM
[00:39] <pragmaticenigma> nrdb: Ah, I get it
[00:39] <mcphail> nrdb: and wherever you set it, nautilus will ignore it
[00:40] <_numbers> is it necessary to create an init.d script that supports start/stop/restart, or can i just symlink a binary into init.d and use update-rc.d to set the runlevels?
[00:40] <nrdb> mcphail, looks like I need a cron script then.... to hack this.
[00:40] <pragmaticenigma> Hilikus: Network Manager has nogui components... but your right... it shouldn't be affecting the resolve.conf... it is possible something like appamor or selinux is chaing it back
[00:40] <mcphail> nrdb: or incron
[00:43] <mcphail> nrdb: all of my directories where I *need* to control permissions have incron scripts set up
[00:43] <dweimer> mcphail: During the server install does it pull the latest apt updates if possible, or does it only install the base Oneiric distro and require the user to run apt manually on the first boot to get updates?
[00:43] <pragmaticenigma> dweimer: If you do a network install: Yes, from the CD: No
[00:44] <mcphail> dweimer: it is a couple of years since I installed the server distro so I can't remember. I think it pulls them automatically
[00:44] <nrdb> mcphail, didn't know about that one.... looks very handy.
[00:45] <mcphail> pragmaticenigma: are you sure? That would be different from the "alternate-install" cd?
[00:45] <mcphail> nrdb: it is genius
[00:46] <pragmaticenigma> mcphail, dweimer: to get the latest updates during install you have to do use the network install method
[00:46] <mcphail> pragmaticenigma: ok
[00:47] <pragmaticenigma> Anyone know why it took so long for the Ubuntu Firefox 8 release to come out on the repos?
[00:48] <dweimer> pragmaticenigma: Alright, I'll give that a shot. Will I be prompted to select a network install or do I need to setup a kickstart file to do it?
[00:48] <xangua> pragmaticenigma: it's already on oneiric, run update manager ;)
[00:48] <tiroideas> i work in this command  rm -rf/
[00:48] <pragmaticenigma> dweimer: I'm not sure... they have a special ISO for the network install... I've only done it once and it took forever...
[00:48] <xangua> ooh why it took¿ no idea but you can always download it from firefox.com next time pragmaticenigma
[00:48] <mcphail> tiroideas: please stop
[00:49] <pragmaticenigma> xangua: You can, but then it's up to me to remember to check for updates
[00:50] <pragmaticenigma> anyone know how to announce to the mods for that crap?
[00:51] <Hilikus> why is there a dhclient and dhclient3? whats the difference?
[00:51] <pragmaticenigma> possibly for the different kernel editions
[00:53] <pragmaticenigma> Hilikus: could be just aliased for backwards compatibility
[00:54] <pragmaticenigma> Hilikus: man dhclient and dhclient3 point to the same man file
[00:59] <SolarisBoy> dweimer: must update from the standard install CD it installs the base
[00:59] <SolarisBoy> i understand the net install doesn't have that prob apparently
[01:00] <pragmaticenigma> Sorry, missed your the last few lines while I jumped machines SolarisBoy ... did dweimer  ask another question?
[01:01] <SolarisBoy> i was just answering =) it was about the need to update after base install is required not sure if it was answered or not
[01:01] <pragmaticenigma> I probably said it... perhaps not as clearly as I thought it out in my mind... haha
[01:01] <pragmaticenigma> It's been a very long day!
[01:02] <SolarisBoy> pragmaticenigma: story of my life.. i actually caused mass confusion with vagueness the other day was golden
[01:02] <Scorinitron> ubuntunoob, Are you here dood!
[01:02] <pragmaticenigma> Scorinitron: Not Found
[01:02]  * SolarisBoy crowns self vague king
[01:03] <Scorinitron> ubuntunoob, the worse possible senerio happned... I now have to repartition my drive
[01:03] <pragmaticenigma> ubuntunoob has left the building Scorinitron
[01:04] <SolarisBoy> my nas box (ubuntu 11.10) is hosed beyond belief =( and i can't do anything about it
[01:08]  * pragmaticenigma notes that SolarisBoy might not be the prime candidate for setting up his own NAS box
[01:13] <SolarisBoy> no bootup && mysterious montior frequency errors preventing me from even seeing grub =( flail... gotta wait til i can afford a solid state (as thats what i really want) so i can reinstall ubuntu and i guess ill settle with mounting the drive as /mnt/used_to_be_ok
[01:14] <SolarisBoy> pragmaticenigma: i beg to differ.. my nas fu is solid... my h/w is poopy
[01:14] <pragmaticenigma> ah okay...
[01:14] <SolarisBoy> =)
[01:15] <SolarisBoy> it was like the biggest join of catastrophic fail threads ever for me
[01:15]  * pragmaticenigma notes that hand-me-down hardward from SolarisBoy isn't recommended
[01:15] <SolarisBoy> lol
[01:15] <SolarisBoy> yeps agreed
[01:15] <dweimer> pragmaticenigma: SolarisBoy: Thanks. I haven't found any new information yet. I just installed 11.10 server in a vmware environment to run some tests. Based on the changelogs it looks like package udev 173-0ubuntu4 has the fix for the bug. I'm checking my iso image now to see what version is on the disk.
[01:15] <SolarisBoy> dweimer: solid =)
[01:15] <pragmaticenigma> I'm trying to figure out a way to build my Mythbuntu server to also act as a NAS device
[01:15] <pragmaticenigma> so that recordings and all my other media can live in one place
[01:15] <SolarisBoy> i've never messed with the mythbuntu wanted to.. then i bought a google tv (bad choice)...
[01:15] <SolarisBoy> pragmaticenigma: whats the issue with sharing out the disk from myth?
[01:15] <pragmaticenigma> I use HDHomeRun as my tuner for over the air... that with a nice video card supporing VDPAU makes a really nice setup
[01:15]  * SolarisBoy notes pragmaticenigma's config
[01:15] <pragmaticenigma> SolarisBoy: The need to start from scratch and not feeling like rebuilding a system that is working as is
[01:15] <SolarisBoy> pragmaticenigma: ahhh right on that one... there is always that wonderful concept of breakage where things were working and i hate that... especially when it comes to my media... thats what my nas box is... so my bedroom is silent,, no music no movies... i can only music.google.com currently til its fixed
[01:15] <SolarisBoy> been all over google trying to find a fix for this monitor issue on 11.10... reports say its related to grub.conf resolution,, chrooted into my broken install from a live SD card and fixed that,, still no resolution still freqency errors on boot
[01:15] <pragmaticenigma> Full spec of my system is Mythbuntu 10.04 on a  Pentium 4, 1017 MB ram,  2 PATA harddrives (160 Gig and 80 gig), GeFource 8400 PCI graphics card, HDHomeRun network tuner
[01:15] <SolarisBoy> _however_ i can boot into a SD live system... with display working fine same monitor
[01:15] <SolarisBoy> pragmaticenigma: sweet accept the patas =)
[01:15] <SolarisBoy> *except
[01:15] <dweimer> Ok, so the 'patched' version of udev is on my ISO image. So either, my issue is actually a different bug, or the timeout fix didn't fix the issue on my two servers. poop
[01:15] <pragmaticenigma> The drives are left over from the previous build... I found a system thrown in the garbage that only had a bad power supply... moved the mobo into a new chassis and replaced a couple leaking caps...
[01:15] <pragmaticenigma> SolarisBoy: I'd really like to get my hands on an i7 build and then run my daily desktop and mythtv backend on one machine, and then use spare computers as needed as remote front ends
[01:17] <SolarisBoy> pragmaticenigma: cool,, yea the i7's are sick,, im on a i5 i really wanted/want the i7..the newer model's are even sicker.. i forget the exact codename they gave it but its supposed to be killer
[01:17] <pragmaticenigma> yeah... starting with sandy bridge, video processing is really slick (should mythtv already support it)
[01:18] <SolarisBoy> pragmaticenigma: yep sandy bridge is it
[01:18] <Scorinitron> I was installing a kernal
[01:18] <SolarisBoy> they have the intel hd stuff built in right?
[01:19] <pragmaticenigma> yeah... but the software has to be coded to support it
[01:19] <SolarisBoy> ahh.. yuks
[01:21] <Scorinitron> and after it was completeld sucessfully
[01:21] <Scorinitron> my PC froze and shut down
[01:22] <Scorinitron> now I can't get back in
[01:22] <Scorinitron> and I'm forced too use a live cd
[01:22] <Scorinitron> what can I do
[01:22] <Scorinitron> I also think I'm on the wrong server
[01:22] <Scorinitron> does anyone now what the default channel for xchat IRC is when you login from ubuntu 11.10
 was ubuntunoob ever here?
[01:22] <Pauluntu> whats the ubuntu offtopic channel?
[01:22] <FloatingGoat> hi I accidentally messed up my install
[01:22] <FloatingGoat> now what
[01:22] <JuJuBee> I   bought an iPod 5th Gen for my daughter a while ago and now she is using the main computer with linux.  Rhythmbox sync's fine with my 80G Classic.  I sync'ed with hers and it looked like it was working but after disconnect there was no music on the iPod.
[01:23] <pragmaticenigma> Pauluntu: #offtopic
[01:23] <pragmaticenigma> oops
[01:23] <pragmaticenigma> !offtopic
[01:23] <SolarisBoy> JuJuBee: that happend to a friend of mine.. he was able to restore the songs on the ipod
[01:23] <SolarisBoy> ensure whatever you are syncing too has the same stuff... or it will be "synced to the library"
[01:23] <antnash> Hey guys. Every time I try and create a new empty document in Thunar it creates a folder instead. What's going on?
[01:24] <xangua> JuJuBee: what iOS version uses your ipod¿
[01:24] <JuJuBee> SolarisBoy: I am trying to sync some playlists she created on computer to her iPod
[01:24] <JuJuBee> xangua: not sure
[01:24] <SolarisBoy> JuJuBee: did it put the playlists only and remove her files?
[01:24] <pragmaticenigma> antnash: have you made a config file change or something/
[01:24] <xangua> JuJuBee: by 5generation you mean a new ipod¿
[01:24] <JuJuBee> xangua: just restored to factory defaults and transferred 1 song via iTunes
[01:25] <JuJuBee> xangua: no, not new, about 1 yr. old
[01:25] <JuJuBee> iPod nano
[01:25] <JuJuBee> sorry
[01:25] <antnash> pragmaticenigma: I had to delete my .gvfs folder and reboot earlier. Thunar wasn't letting me load my home folder.
[01:25] <xangua> you can use gtkpod to manage music and files on an ipod
[01:25] <xangua> JuJuBee:
[01:25] <JuJuBee> xangua: I know that the database needs to be initialized before RB can sync with it so I transferred 1 song in iTunes
[01:26] <JuJuBee> xangua: gtkpod is not user friendly
[01:26] <JuJuBee> I need for my daughter to be able to use it.
[01:26] <pragmaticenigma> antnash: I have a feeling deleting that directory is what has caused your issue... try setting up a new user account and see if the problem exists there... if it doesn't might want to copy over the .gvfs contents to your directory
[01:27] <yagoo> JuJuBee, i thought itunes was at least partly runnable in wine
[01:27] <JuJuBee> yagoo: haven't tried in long time, don't want to use iTunes if possible
[01:27] <antnash> pragmaticenigma: there's nothing in my .gvfs folder. what should be there?
[01:27] <xangua> JuJuBee: well it has documentation, looks pretty easy if you read
[01:27] <xangua> http://www.gtkpod.org/wiki/IPod_and_content
[01:28] <pragmaticenigma> guess there isn't anything in mine either
[01:28] <pragmaticenigma> antnash: I would attempt to setup a new user account and login into it and see if the problem exists there
[01:28] <xangua> JuJuBee: oo for you daughter, you can try Banshee player also
[01:29] <pragmaticenigma> antnash: if it does, it's a bigger issue with the system, if it works fine then it's something the in user profile for Thunar causing issues
[01:29] <antnash> cool. I'll try it in a bit. Thanks man
[01:29] <JuJuBee> xangua: Banshee does not deal with playlists
[01:29] <JuJuBee> last i checked
[01:31] <yagoo> JuJuBee, kids learn fast.. you know there in asia.. they do math what college students learn here in N.A.. kids are very well underestimated.. LOL
[01:31] <xangua> JuJuBee: are you using latest ubuntu¿
[01:32] <Guest83479> Hi, everyone. My Ubuntu 11.10 gets all the way to the lightdm login screen, but then it won't respond to mouse or keyboard input. It seems like it might be disabling the USB or something. I can use the keyboard to enter the BIOS settings, so I know at least it does work. Can anyone help?
[01:32] <JuJuBee> xangua: 11/04
[01:33] <pragmaticenigma> Guest83479: if you hit the caps lock key or num lock key, does the corresponding light come on, on the keyboard?
[01:33] <yagoo> Guest83479,  first choose a better name.. i hate cycling through guest* on my tab.. btw did you make sure that legacy usb is enabled in the bios? (tried another usb port?)
[01:33] <yagoo> mwhahaha
[01:34] <xangua> JuJuBee: well then it may be the libimoviledevice version of natty that doesn't support that ipod
[01:34] <JuJuBee> xangua: I use RB on 10.10 for my 80G classic
[01:36] <xangua> i suppose clasic from a few years is one thing and an apple player from a year another
[01:36] <jakke> can somebody help with a resolution problem?
[01:36] <pragmaticenigma> jakke: !ask
[01:37] <pragmaticenigma> !ask jakke
[01:37] <pragmaticenigma> grr... where is the bot when you need it
[01:37] <pragmaticenigma> !ask
[01:37] <jakke> resolution stuck on 600x800 when it needs to be 1366x768
[01:37] <somsip> pragmaticenigma: you need a pipe....!ask | jakke
[01:37] <pragmaticenigma> thanks somsip
[01:37] <jakke> btw 11.04
[01:38] <pragmaticenigma> jakke: I would suggest updating to 11.10 to start... but the resolution you mention isn't exactly standard... what type of graphics card are you using, do you have DVI capabilities?
[01:38] <jakke> does anybody know what i should do?
[01:39] <jrib> !fixres | jakke
[01:39] <jakke> soprry, 11.10
[01:40] <pragmaticenigma> I would take a look at the link ubottu just put up for the wiki article
[01:41] <jakke> been to the link, none of it worked
[01:41] <jakke> can use 1024x786 too
[01:41] <jakke> command didn't work either
[01:42] <pragmaticenigma> jakke: Are you using the VGA connection or DVI?
[01:42] <jakke> VGA
[01:43] <pragmaticenigma> jakke: Do you have DVI available?
[01:43] <jakke> i don't think so
[01:43] <pragmaticenigma> Are you on a laptop, desktop?
[01:44] <jakke> desktop
[01:44] <pragmaticenigma> How old is your system? How old is the graphics card?
[01:44] <jakke> 1 sec...
[01:44] <JuJuBee> xangua: I just transferred 400+ songs via sync and in RB, the playlists show up and play fine.  Once I disconnect the iPod, they will not show up on the iPod
[01:44] <jakke> HP Pavillion a1510n
[01:45] <jakke> nvidia grapics
[01:45] <jakke> AMD processor
[01:46] <KM0201> jakke: you do realize there's a lot of nvidia graphics cards don't you... that's like someone asking me how old my car is, and me telling them "it's a ford"
[01:46] <jakke> yea...
[01:47] <jakke> 1 sec...
[01:47] <wolfman3k5> hello people
[01:47] <Mitochondria> Hello.
[01:48] <jakke> here: http://www.pcworld.com/product/29316/hp_pavilion_a1510n_desktop_24ghz_athlon_64_3800_1gb_ddr_200gb_dvdarw_dl_windows_xp_media_center.html?p=specs
[01:48] <KM0201> !pastebin | jakke pastebin the output of lspci
[01:48] <KM0201> hmm, did ubottu take thie night off?
[01:48] <KM0201> jakemp: open a terminal
[01:49] <KM0201> ah, there we go.
[01:49] <jakke> is that good enough or do you still want lspci?
[01:50] <pragmaticenigma> jakke: your specs on the link are good enough
[01:50] <jakke> ok
[01:51] <pragmaticenigma> actually if you can do this for me
[01:51] <Guest50975> Hello
[01:52] <pragmaticenigma> just put the output of this command here "lspci |grep -i vga"
[01:52] <Avasz> is there a cli C IDE?
[01:52] <Avasz> lightweight CLI IDE for C
[01:52] <pragmaticenigma> Avasz: vi will work
[01:52] <Dossier> Anyone here using BT5?
[01:53] <Avasz> pragmaticenigma, yeah it will.
[01:53] <Avasz> but i am searching for an IDE.
[01:53] <pragmaticenigma> There aren't any that I'm aware of... emacs might be the next best thing
[01:53] <mbeierl> Avasz: emacs ?
[01:53] <mbeierl> pragmaticenigma: :)
[01:54] <Avasz> mbeierl, never tried emacs. I only use vim or nano.
[01:54] <jakke> avasz try eclipse
[01:54] <jakke> or code::blocks
[01:54] <Avasz> jakke, is it lightweight?
[01:54] <pragmaticenigma> jakke: can you paste the output of "lspci |grep -i vga" here
[01:54] <jakke> define lightweight
[01:54] <pragmaticenigma> jakke: eclipse is not a CLI IDE that Avasz is looking for
[01:54] <jakke> oh ok
[01:55] <Avasz> jakke, lightweight means, it need to run smoothly in my old piv lappy with 512 mb ram.
[01:55] <pragmaticenigma> CLI stands for Command Line Interface... he doesn't appear to have GUI available on his system
[01:55] <mbeierl> Avasz: it needs an X display, and a good 512MB of memory to run eclipse.  otherwise Eclipse CDT is very excellent
[01:55] <jakke> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [GeForce 6150 LE] (rev a2)
[01:55] <Avasz> 512 mb is all I have... :D
[01:55] <b14d3> Hi everyone, anyone happen to be in here?
[01:55] <Dossier> Yeah
[01:55] <LucasAndrei> nope
[01:55] <b14d3> rofl
[01:56] <pragmaticenigma> thanks jakke ... I just wish I had my other machine here where I have had the same problem in the past with higher resolutions
[01:56] <b14d3> I'm having some trouble with my Ubuntu box, mounting a second HD.
[01:56] <mbeierl> Avasz: there are some add ons for emacs that make it simpler to use, such as the CUA which allows you to use ctrl-arrow to highlight, ctrl-c -v, for cut-n-paste.  it has most of the same highlighting,etc that vim has
[01:56] <pragmaticenigma> jakke: so this might take me a few moments
[01:57] <Guest83479> pragmaticenigma: No light with the caps lock/num lock key, and yagoo: No such setting in my BIOS (just individual settings for enabling/disabling usb support altogether, and that's enabled). Sorry, I told xchat to identify me using my preferred nick, but it gave me "guest83479" for some reason.
[01:58] <Avasz> mbeierl, hmm... let me see. but i am not sure that i want to switch the TextEditor.
[01:58] <pragmaticenigma> Guest83479: your computer is hanging at the login screen... does it also hang if you boot from a live CD or are you able to test different programs with the live cd?
[01:58] <zus> how do i make  gwibber  NOT run on start up?! the tick mark in the preferences isnt working.
[01:58] <b14d3> My hd seems to be in a weird state of both mounted and unmounted.
[01:58] <KM0201> b14d3: lol
[01:58] <KM0201> that doesn't even sound remotely possible
[01:58] <mbeierl> Avasz: then you're looking at the simple gnu tool chain: make, gdb, etc.
[01:58] <b14d3> I'm not a linux guru in ANY sense of the word. So I may be reading things incorrectly.
[01:58] <Dossier> Does anyone know why I can't change windows with alt -+ tab?
[01:58] <jakke> do you have an answer pragmaticenigma
[01:58] <norty> anyone know how to work cvs? im new to it and i want to checkout a repository, do i need to create a login for my cvs or can i just do cvs checkout dir?
[01:59] <mbeierl> Avasz: here's a very "emacs-like" overview: http://deep.syminet.com/emacside.html
[01:59] <pragmaticenigma> jakke: I'm working on it... one of the solutions is to manually create an X11.conf file that has the mode setting setup for your machine
[01:59] <mbeierl> Avasz: for using Emacs as an IDE
[01:59] <jakke> thank you
[01:59] <pragmaticenigma> jakke: what would really make this easier is to get a stand alone graphics card with DVI (if your monitor supports it)
[01:59] <bluebomber> pragmaticenigma, yagoo: I'm back (previously "Guest83479").
[02:00] <b14d3> When running a mount command, I get that it's already mounted or the dir (named /server) is busy. Which I don't entirely understand how it's busy. I created the folder and then didn't do anything with it. When trying to unmount, I get the message that it isn't mounted.
[02:00] <yagoo> jakke, why i dont get is why the ubuntu docs never straightly mention-- first thing you should check is if the E-did info is picked up (check /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
[02:00] <Avasz> mbeierl, ok. I am reading it.
[02:00] <mbeierl> Avasz: and sources for a plugin: http://home.gna.org/emacs-ide/
[02:00] <yagoo> bluebomber, oh.. :)
[02:00] <yagoo> bluebomber, you get any errors in dmesg ?
[02:00] <mbeierl> Avasz: but I hear you about changing editors.  Emacs can be intimidating at first
[02:00] <yagoo> bluebomber, lsmod |grep ohci
[02:00] <yagoo> bluebomber, lsmod |grep ehci
[02:00] <yagoo> (check for those two)
[02:01] <pragmaticenigma> yagoo: EDID information isn't being picked up... that's why his machine doesn't recognize all the resolutions
[02:01] <Avasz> mbeierl, will definitely switch if i find it better. that is not a big problem. :)
[02:01] <yagoo> bluebomber, nmind that.. they changed the mod names.. see what u get with-> lsmod|grep usb
[02:01] <pragmaticenigma> EDID doesn't work very well with VGA connections yagoo
[02:01] <yagoo> LOL
[02:01] <yagoo> EDID
[02:01] <norty> anyone know how to work cvs? im new to it and i want to checkout a repository, do i need to create a login for my cvs or can i just do cvs checkout dir?
[02:02] <yagoo> pragmaticenigma, you have no idea what edid is about
[02:02] <b14d3> Would anyone mind helping me with the mount issue?
[02:03] <cba123> I was dragging a window to another screen, and it got "lost".  It's being drawn under my current screens.  Anyone know how I can bring it back?  (Happens occasionally)
[02:03] <mbeierl> Avasz: the main thing is that emacs has a text mode, and it can front end the gdb so it can do source code highlighting as you debug.  from the console
[02:03] <pragmaticenigma> jakke: I think yagoo might have a better help in mind to get your resolution issue resolved
[02:03] <jakke> wait waht?
[02:03] <jakke> yagoo?
[02:03] <hacked_kernel> CPU fan is usually rotating fast with high sound but the CPU usage is low, normal!!
[02:03] <yagoo> jakke, apt-get install pastebinit, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |pasteinit -t myxlog     ... paste the url only...
[02:04] <pragmaticenigma> jakke: yahoo is a user here, he's trying to help you
[02:04] <pragmaticenigma> jakke: sorry err.. yagoo
[02:04] <pragmaticenigma> stupid autocorrect
[02:04] <Hilikus> what FS do you guys recommend for a partition that will have exclusively FLAC files?
[02:04] <quietone> how do I unsubscribe to "change notifications' on an ubuntu wiki page?
[02:04] <dweimer> b14d3: Do you have a shell open in the directory that you are trying to mount to? That's one way a mount can be busy. If that's not it, from a terminal run 'fuser -c <mountpoint>' replacing '<mountpoint>' with the directory you are trying to mount to. What is the output of the fuser command?
[02:05] <pragmaticenigma> Hilikus:I don't see any issue with EXT4
[02:05] <HUD> hello
[02:05] <pragmaticenigma> Hilikus: unless the files are massive and you plan on doing a lot of deleting and writing
[02:05] <bluebomber> yagoo: Well, it inexplicably started working. I just walked back in and it was responding to kb+mouse.
[02:06] <yagoo> bluebomber, did u check with dmesg? -> dmesg  |less
[02:06] <bluebomber> I'll check the logs now, because now I can. Otherwise I wouldn't even be able to try your solutions. I wasn't able to get to a terminal.
[02:06] <b14d3> dweimer: Working on getting it now. I'm not on the machine physically, just remotely.
[02:06] <pragmaticenigma> Hilikus: I use JFS on my Mythbuntu partition where I store my recordings... but that's because the files are usually 8 gigs for a 1 hour show
[02:06] <zus> how do i make  gwibber  NOT run on start up?! the tick mark in the preferences isnt working.
[02:06] <yagoo> bluebomber, it may have previously been an irq conflict
[02:07] <jakke> it froze at last command
[02:07] <b14d3> 1060rce  1115rce  1117rce  1134rce  1140rce  1143rce  1145rce  1150rce  1156rce  1157rce  1158rce  1160rce  1161rce  1162rce  1164rce  1165rce  1168rce  1193rce  1201rce  1224rce  1278rce  1281rce  1283rce  1293rce  1294rce  1297rce  1301rce  1304rce  1305rce  1355rce  1373rce  1374rce  1380rce  1383rce  1384rce  1386rce  1389rce  1391rce  1413rce  1420rce  1423rce  1424rce  1432rce  1436rce  1455r
[02:07] <b14d3> ce  1598rce  1652rce  1654rce
[02:07] <FloodBot1> b14d3: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:07] <bluebomber> yagoo: Lots of "usb 1-2: device descriptor read/8, error -110" entries from dmesg
[02:07] <b14d3> ... Well, that didn't do what I wanted it to. Sorry about that everyone.
[02:08] <dweimer> b14d3: That's a lot of processes. What is the mount command you are trying to run?
[02:08] <rodhash> All, I've just updated my Maverick to Natty and then to Oneiric, but now the "alt tab" to change window is not working...
[02:08] <b14d3> I've tried a bunch, to be honest.
[02:09] <jakke> yagoo, it froze on last command then said ^CKeyboardInterrupt caught.
[02:10] <rodhash> anyone, any idea?
[02:10] <dweimer> b14d3: Hmm, how about just show me the 'fuser -c...' line that you ran to get that output.
[02:11] <b14d3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/747779/
[02:12] <jakke> yagoo: http://pastebin.com/YCvitnAe
[02:12] <jakke> it was easier to gedit it than copy it all
[02:13] <jakke> *and
[02:13] <dweimer> b14d3: And if you run 'ls /server' there's nothing in there? The 'fuser -c' command shows what processes are accessing the /server path. It seems to be used for something.
[02:14] <b14d3> dweimer: Nope. Doesn't return anything at all.
[02:14] <dweimer> b14d3: Actually, n/m I'm being silly. Without a mount it's just showing the results for '/' . Sorry about that. Let me think of a different path to take.
[02:15] <major> list
[02:16] <yagoo> jakke, what monitor brand is it? (btw e-did not picked up properly)
[02:16] <dweimer> b14d3: What device are you trying to mount?
[02:16] <jakke> Akai
[02:16] <jakke> Akai lct2715 2005
[02:16] <b14d3> dweimer: Not sure exactly what you're looking for.
[02:17] <zacarias> in Gnome, how do you make your removable media visible on the desktop?
[02:17] <dweimer> b14d3: The second hard drive you are trying to mount. It should have a device name. Something like /dev/sdb1 .
[02:17] <b14d3> dweimer: Haha, forgot the space. /dev/sda
[02:19] <quietone> I am getting email from "Ubuntu Wiki<EMAIL_ADDRESS>how do I stop them?
[02:19] <yagoo> jakke, that's a pita.. you'll have to find the timing mode line for that screen...
[02:19] <zacarias> how do you see your removable media on the desktop (gnome)?
[02:19] <yagoo> jakke, are there other video ports on the screen? i see a picture but looks like it's not for input
[02:20] <dweimer> b14d3: Can you run two commands 'df -l' and 'fdisk -l' then paste the output to pastebin?
[02:20] <yagoo> jakke, finding the timing modeline for your screen is a bit like a science.. it's a pita..
[02:20] <b14d3> Sure. Just a minute.
[02:20] <pragmaticenigma> quietone: This chat is not for supporting the wiki... I'm sure that there is a help section on the wiki about managing your account there and turning off e-mail notifications
[02:21] <quietone> thx, I have read the help section several times over the past months hoping to find it
[02:21] <yagoo> jakke, each resolution has a special timing modeline.. This is what e-did reports.. since it wasn't picked up.. you'll have to calculate/experiment/research what modline you want for the highest resolution..
[02:22] <b14d3> dweimer: that's 'fdisk -L' (but lowercase) right?
[02:22] <jakke> i had it on 1366x786 in win XP
[02:22] <atruno-> i have a soundcard that is seen by lspci.  it however does not show up in my gnome volume control in natty.
[02:22] <dweimer> b14d3: Correct.
[02:22] <b14d3> fdisk -l returns no result
[02:23] <dweimer> b14d3: Are you running it as root?
[02:23] <b14d3> dweimer: Ah, nope. Let's try that.
[02:23] <dweimer> b14d3: Yep. Sorry I forgot to mention that.
[02:23] <b14d3> dweimer: Results for df -l http://paste.ubuntu.com/747790/
[02:24] <Thelmaria> Is there a way to check what version of a package is in which repository? (Specifically, apache - I can't upgrade via apt past 2.2.14 from the lucid repos).
[02:24] <b14d3> dweimer: Results for fdisk -l http://paste.ubuntu.com/747791/
[02:25] <yagoo> bluebomber, you may want to join a kernel mailinglist.. and ask if you can use setpci.. sort of add a bit more latency-- for waiting etc.. or maybe the bios-- adding a bit of more latency for the pci bus
[02:25] <dweimer> b14d3: That 'df -l' output is rather odd. Do you notice that both /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sda1 show up as mounted to '/' .
[02:26] <b14d3> dweimer: Yeah, I saw that. I know how it happened, a misclick in gparted (one of the many things I've tried to get this to mount). I don't know how to undo it.
[02:26] <pragmaticenigma> Thelmaria: there is a search tool that I think will get you the version available
[02:27] <dweimer> b14d3: I can think of a few ways to get rid of it, but they could crash the system. If the server freezes do you have a way to reboot it?
[02:27] <ertay> hi all.
[02:27] <dfcnvt> Hi, any of you know how to restart the mouse's driver/interface?  I can't even move my mouse after about twenty second on my desktop...
[02:27] <jakke> when i boot the live version, it has perfect res
[02:27] <b14d3> Yeah. It IS physically next to me. I just don't have the extra monitor to dedicate to it.
[02:28] <mobodo> I just installed a plugin in totem and now it won't start (segfault) - where are the totem plugins so I can remove it manually?
[02:28] <atruno-> i'm running natty lspci and lshw see my soundcard however lshw show the following:  (not showing up in gnome-audio-control  *-multimedia UNCLAIMED    description: Multimedia audio controller     product: SB X-Fi
[02:28] <pragmaticenigma> yagoo: jakke might be able to generate the xorg.conf file from the live cd and copy it to his existing install
[02:29] <jakke> i tried, xorg.conf wasn't there
[02:29] <yagoo> jakke, did you try another cable? (you have anything special on the cable like a kvm ?)
[02:29] <dweimer> b14d3: Ahh ok, that makes me feel better. :> In that case we can try to just unmount it. First make sure that you don't have duplicate entries in your fstab file though. Can you run 'cat /etc/fstab' and put that on pastebin. The /etc/fstab file contains a list of device (like /dev/sda) to mountpoint mappings.
[02:29] <jakke> no other ports or cables
[02:30] <yagoo> jakke, did you read my previous messages? because your problem is you dont have any modelines
[02:30] <b14d3> dweimer: I did add something into fstab. So I'll let you let me know what I need to remove.
[02:30] <Thelmaria> pragmaticenigma: Thanks.
[02:30] <jakke> yagoo what?
[02:30] <yagoo> jakke, you cant simply make one in the xorg.conf.. you'll have to calculate it explicitly for your monitor.. or if its published by the screen manufacturer in their manual..
[02:30] <yagoo> jakke, ya
[02:31] <yagoo> jakke, not easy.. but that's why i said it was a pita..
[02:31] <pragmaticenigma> yagoo: jakke said that he can get the desired resolution when in the live cd... I have had success at generating the xorg.conf file from the live cd and then copying it to my local installation
[02:31] <b14d3> dweimer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/747796/
[02:31] <jakke> well its live usb
[02:31] <pragmaticenigma> yagoo: perhaps that is an option for him
[02:31] <jakke> for install
[02:31] <pragmaticenigma> jakke: live USB and CD use the same image
[02:31] <jakke> i couldn't find a xorg.conf though
[02:32] <jakke> i know
[02:32] <yagoo> jakke, then you have to accept it's a driver issue..
[02:32] <jakke> so where does that leave me?>
[02:32] <yagoo> jakke, is that nvidia driver the latest?
[02:32] <dweimer> b14d3: Ok. Just to double check. /dev/sda is your second hard drive (the 1 terabyte one) and /dev/sdb is the hard drive you installed ubuntu on (the 500 GB one) ?
[02:32] <Hilikus> what is the best way to share a directory in a network among linuxes. IIRC samba is good only when sharing with windows
[02:32] <yagoo> jakke, try using the latest nvidia driver..
[02:32] <pragmaticenigma> Try this jakke... when using the Live USB stick run this command "sudo Xorg -configure"  it will create an Xorg.conf file in the livecd user file
[02:32] <jakke> probably not
[02:33] <pragmaticenigma> then boot into your regular machine and copy the xorg.conf file to your /etc/X11/ folder using sudo
[02:33] <Hilikus> i just want to give write access to anotjher linux box in a particular directory
[02:33] <b14d3> dweimer: Correct, even though I'm not sure how. When I installed Ubuntu (reinstalled 10.4, 11.1 messed my machine up bad because it's old hardware) the HD that is now /dev/sdb was the only one that was connected at all.
[02:33] <jakke> ok, i will be gone for 10 minutes max be back soon
[02:33] <pragmaticenigma> then reboot and you should have the desired resolution availalbe to you
[02:33] <yagoo> jakke, if the latest nvidia doesn't work.. then try nouveau..
[02:34] <dweimer> b14d3: Alright. What were going to do then is set /dev/sdb1 to be the main '/' directory and then set /dev/sda1 to be mounted to '/server'.
[02:34] <jrib> Hilikus: samba is a fine solution for your question.  The other option is using nfs or just using ssh
[02:35] <d3f4c3d> anyone know why would my emulated dynamips router would listen local address of "<IP_ADDRESS>" ?
[02:36] <dweimer> b14d3: For the /etc/fstab file there are two changes to start with. First comment out the '/dev/sda     /server' line by putting a '#' in front of it.
[02:36] <b14d3> dweimer: Done
[02:37] <dweimer> b14d3: The second change is to the '/dev/sda1     /   ' line. Substitute /dev/sdb1 there, so the line would read '/dev/sdb1    /  ' leave every thing after the '/' the same.
[02:37] <alien2050> ne1 knows how to "force" the network stack to stop resetting the network interface? tried /etc/network/interfaces + removing network-manager, but some daemon just resets the IP stack
[02:37] <b14d3> dweimer: Done
[02:37] <hrolf> Is there anyway I can get Arabic font to get working on Ubuntu 11.10?
[02:38] <_numbers> where is the best place to set env vars so everyone has them?
[02:38] <dweimer> b14d3: Alright, that should cover us if we need to reboot. First just try to unmount /dev/sda1 though. As root run 'umount /dev/sda1' .
[02:38] <alien2050> _numbers: I'd say /etc/profile or /etc/rc.local
[02:39] <Roasted> Has anybody received read-only file system when trying to sync to an ipod using rhythmbox or banshee?
[02:39] <d3f4c3d> WHY WHYYY why do i have local address such as <IP_ADDRESS> listening ?
[02:39] <b14d3> dweimer: It said that the device is busy
[02:40] <antnash> is there any way I can see the history of my updates?
[02:42] <dweimer> b14d3: Let me test something real fast. I may have an idea. I would rather avoid rebooting initially, just in case it doesn't come back properly. With only one monitor debugging a non-booting system would be troublesome.
[02:42] <b14d3> dweimer: Yeah I can switch it, but it is kind of annoying and troublesome :P
[02:43] <somsip> antnash: you could look in /var/log/apt and see what's in there?
[02:43] <antnash> cheers somsip
[02:43] <hrolf> Is there anyway I can get Arabic font to get working on Ubuntu 11.10?
[02:43] <hrolf> s/on/in
[02:45] <dweimer> b14d3: One more round of fuser runs. What I'm concerned about is which filesystem is actually being written do. /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb1 since they are both mounted in the same place. Can you run 'fuser -m /dev/sda1' and 'fuser -m /dev/sdb1' the paste the output in pastie.
[02:46] <yagoo> d3f4c3d,  sounds like you're using a ppp connection
[02:46] <d3f4c3d> yagoo, negatoy
[02:46] <yagoo> d3f4c3d, well do ifconfig -a
[02:47] <Roasted> Has anybody received read-only file system when trying to sync to an ipod using rhythmbox or banshee?
[02:47] <d3f4c3d> yagoo, i have 12 eth interfaces
[02:47] <b14d3> dweimer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/747805/
[02:47] <yagoo> d3f4c3d, only?
[02:47] <d3f4c3d> yagoo, ye including lo
[02:47] <d3f4c3d> thats it
[02:47] <yagoo> bl4ckcomb, what's that?
[02:47] <dweimer> b14d3: Did 'fuser -m /dev/sda1' not have any output?
[02:48] <b14d3> dweimer: Correct
[02:48] <hrolf> Is there anyway to get Arabic font (not being diplayed correctly right now) working in Ubuntu 11.10?
[02:48] <d3f4c3d> yagoo, heres my route
[02:48] <d3f4c3d> localnet        *               <IP_ADDRESS>   U     0      0        0 eth0
[02:48] <d3f4c3d> default         <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    100    0        0 eth0
[02:49] <dweimer> b14d3: That's a good thing. Alright, go ahead and put the contents of /etc/fstab in a pastebin for one lest verification, then I think rebooting is the best bet.
[02:49] <d3f4c3d> Genmask ?
[02:50] <Jordan_U> Roasted: What type of iPod?
[02:50] <Roasted> Jordan_U, 4th gen nano I believe.
[02:50] <b14d3> dweimer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/747807/
[02:50] <Jordan_U> Roasted: Formatted on a mac?
[02:50] <yagoo> d3f4c3d, uh hahahahhaa .. you really have 12 interfaces do ya?
[02:50] <SolarisBoy> <IP_ADDRESS> listening? really wowsers
[02:50] <Roasted> Jordan_U, well, I nuked it in itunes to reset it.
[02:50] <d3f4c3d> yagoo, why you laughing, yes
[02:50] <Roasted> jordan, on osx/itunes
[02:50] <Roasted> Jordan_U, ^
[02:50] <d3f4c3d> SolarisBoy, its driving me nuts
[02:51] <yagoo> d3f4c3d, i only see one.-> eth0
[02:51] <SolarisBoy> i can't see how thats possible to have an ip like that listening where do you see it listening at?
[02:51] <dweimer> b14d3: Alright looks good. Go ahead and reboot. What should happen is the host will reboot with only /dev/sdb1 mounted on '/' . Then we can run the commands to test mounting /dev/sda1 on /server .
[02:51] <d3f4c3d> SolarisBoy, netstat -a
[02:51] <SolarisBoy> hmm
[02:51] <d3f4c3d> yagoo, thats routing table
[02:52] <d3f4c3d> SolarisBoy, im running dynamips - its virtualings routers for me... it worked fine untill i reinstalled buntu
[02:52] <SolarisBoy> thats a broadcast addy..
[02:52] <SolarisBoy> ahhhh
[02:52] <b14d3> Dweimer: Rebooting, need to take my dog out, will be idle for a bit.
[02:52] <d3f4c3d> SolarisBoy, usually when i run virtualized router it hops on localhost:2001
[02:52] <SolarisBoy> d34d1y: do you have a virtual lab up?
[02:52] <d3f4c3d> ye
[02:52] <_numbers> thx alien2050
[02:52] <SolarisBoy> i think thats the cause for that broadcast ip being somewhere
[02:53] <d3f4c3d> but now its hanging on 255.255.255:2001
[02:53] <alien2050> np
[02:53] <d3f4c3d> so weird
[02:53] <SolarisBoy> hmm?? thats 3 octets =)
[02:53] <d3f4c3d> na its typo - its brod
[02:53] <SolarisBoy> so its broadcasting packets to port 2001 on the virtual subnet
[02:53] <d3f4c3d> it suppost to listen on <IP_ADDRESS>:2001
[02:53] <d3f4c3d> not <IP_ADDRESS>:2001
[02:54] <Jordan_U> Roasted: linux can't write to journaled hfsplus. Easiest solution is to reformat as fat32 (via iTunes).
[02:54] <SolarisBoy> are you sure you dont have any other settings enabled?
[02:54] <d3f4c3d> dynamips maybe to blame i duno
[02:54] <yagoo> d3f4c3d, you need #dynamips help..
[02:54] <SolarisBoy> id say...
[02:54] <yagoo> d3f4c3d, maybe you'd like to try gns3..
[02:54] <SolarisBoy> specially on that port.. it is definately dynamips
[02:54] <d3f4c3d> SolarisBoy, where should i look
[02:54] <Roasted> Jordan_U, oh, hm. I wonder what the other ipod is that I have here... that one worked...
[02:54] <SolarisBoy> in the settings.. are you running gns3?
[02:54] <d3f4c3d> SolarisBoy, its installing - but i always ran naked dynamips without gui
[02:55] <Roasted> Jordan_U, what's weird is in gparted it says 100% unallocated. ????????
[02:55] <SolarisBoy> ok so you have hypervisors running now i presume? also... sometimes they get hung...
[02:55] <SolarisBoy> and hold open the port
[02:56] <SolarisBoy> do you have qemuwrapper or dynagen or dynamips etc procs running? maybe killall -9 with some privs on those will kill that port if thats what you want.. but im sure its some setting you have in dynagen if its not by design
[02:56] <SolarisBoy> makes sense to me...
[02:56] <d3f4c3d> maan, everything was going so great today - i even got time to benc 185lbs - now i got to sleep with this bubuntu
[02:56] <SolarisBoy> lol
[02:57] <SolarisBoy> i use gns3 and never really played with dynamips bare.. well i kick up hypervisors manually but thats about it
[02:57] <SolarisBoy> again.. makes perfect sense... in your netstat you should add -pone and see the pid holding the port...
[03:05] <SolarisBoy> lsof -i :2001 even
[03:05] <d3f4c3d> wait there
[03:05] <d3f4c3d> thats what i was looking for
[03:05] <d3f4c3d> hold on
[03:05] <SolarisBoy> sure..
[03:05] <d3f4c3d> dynamips 1403 root   76u  IPv4   9540      0t0  TCP <IP_ADDRESS>:2001 (LISTEN)
[03:05] <SolarisBoy> word
[03:05] <b14d3> dweimer: I am back
[03:05] <SolarisBoy> next question are you bridging the interface to your lan anyhow?
[03:05] <dweimer> b14d3: Any luck with the reboot?
[03:05] <SolarisBoy> e.g you have bridge with your lan interface and some virtual interface added?
[03:05] <d34d1y> Anyone have a guide or documentation on the file system on ubuntu? i can't find anything
[03:05] <b14d3> dweimer: Um, to an extent. Trying something right now. Can't remote in, I think it's still trying to mount /dev/sda for some reason
[03:05] <Datsun> When I run ls /media I see a directory called VMware Tools.  When I try to change to this directory, it says it doesn't exist?
[03:05] <King_John> I'm trying to mount a usb floppy. lsusb sees it, but I can't see it in /dev. Any ideas?
[03:05] <b14d3> Hold on, roomie is letting me use his monitor
[03:05] <d3f4c3d> SolarisBoy, let me show u my .net file ?
[03:05] <d3f4c3d> or better else showmypc ?
[03:05] <yagoo> King_John, dmesg |grep -i floppy
[03:05] <d3f4c3d> SolarisBoy, wana jump in ?
[03:05] <SolarisBoy> i have no issue with it...
[03:06] <Datsun> Anyone?
[03:06] <b14d3> dweimer: There we go, booted up fine, didn't try to mount /dev/sda
[03:06] <jakke> back, did command got this: http://pastebin.com/YTHWL8Tw
[03:06] <King_John> Nothing to show
[03:06] <jakke> yagoo
[03:06] <SolarisBoy> Datsun: try ls -l
[03:06] <SolarisBoy> file even
[03:06] <King_John> Yagoo, didn't find anything
[03:06] <centHOGG> mc = midnite commander
[03:06] <SolarisBoy> maybe its a broken link ?
[03:06] <dweimer> b14d3: Excellent. Now you should be able to run 'mount /dev/sda1 /server' to mount the second disk at the /server path.
[03:06] <SolarisBoy> -> cdrom / iso image
[03:06] <yagoo> King_John, dmesg |grep fd
[03:06] <Datsun> Solarisboy - same issue.  It seems to this VMware and Tools are two different directories...
[03:06] <SolarisBoy> oh haha
[03:06] <SolarisBoy> Datsun: what does file </path/there> have to say about it?
[03:06] <jakke> so what now yagoo?
[03:06] <King_John> Yagoo, printout: http://pastebin.com/31zWY6NE
[03:06] <Datsun> OK.  sorted it.  Just needed quotations
[03:06] <yagoo> King_John, try scanning manually,  dmesg|less .. anything with "device" the device name would be at the head of the line
[03:06] <SolarisBoy> oh...
[03:06] <yagoo> jakke, see what the modeline scan is in the log.. you can copy the log to a usb drive or something..
[03:06] <b14d3> dweimer: Now it's asking me to specify a file format, and I'm not sure where to put that in the syntax
[03:06] <jakke> what is the modeline?
[03:06] <yagoo> jakke, grep -i mode /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:06] <yagoo> jakke, it's what edid reports (your monitor gives communication data called edid)
[03:06] <King_John> Yagoo, shows the drive
[03:06] <yagoo> King_John, you found it?
[03:06] <yagoo> King_John, fdisk -l    , shows it or not?
[03:06] <dexvender> jjj
[03:06] <dfcnvt> I can't seems to find a solution for restarting my mouse... (my mouse recently froze)
[03:06] <King_John> Yagoo, it is blank
[03:06] <dweimer> b14d3: You can pass a '-t <format>' to the mount command it's odd that it's asking you though. Go ahead and try 'mount -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /server' . I don't really expect it to work though.
[03:06] <centHOGG> dfcnvt: hardware check
[03:07] <dexvender> any body here
[03:07] <yagoo> King_John, what's the floppy device name?
[03:07] <dfcnvt> centHOGG, it's a laptop
[03:07] <centHOGG> k
[03:07] <b14d3> dweimer: The partition was mounted to ext2, should I sub that in for the ext4 in your example?
[03:07] <King_John> Yagoo, from dmesg: scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access     MITSUMI  USB FDD          1050 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
[03:07] <dweimer> b14d3: Yep.
[03:07] <b14d3> Dweimer: formatted to ext2*
[03:08] <b14d3> Dweimer: Really don't want to format it if I don't have to. I have 600 GB of data on there that I want
[03:08] <Roasted> How do I fix read only file system errors with an iPod on Ubuntu?
[03:08] <yagoo> King_John, dmesg |grep attach
[03:08] <b14d3> Dweimer: Also, when running 'sudo mount /dev/sda' I get the message that it can't find it in /etc/fstab... should I uncomment that line?
[03:09] <yagoo> King_John, that line doesnt tell the device name
[03:09] <dweimer> b14d3: Eventually yeah. In this case just supply the path along with it 'sudo mount /dev/sda1 /server' . We can update fstab as the last step.
[03:09] <King_John> Yagoo, only one line came up about my webcam.
[03:09] <jjb_> torrentvault.org:9422
[03:09] <b14d3> Dweimer: Oooh, that looks like it may have worked. Didn't give me any error.
[03:10] <dweimer> b14d3: Very good.  Yes it does.
[03:10] <yagoo> King_John, sry.. try using ignoring casesensitivity with -i ,  -->dmesg |grep -i attach
[03:11] <dweimer> b14d3: Alright. In that case you can uncomment the fstab file. Make sure the line is '/dev/sda1' though and not just /dev/sda . The '1' is important since it points to the specific partition where your data is.
[03:11] <King_John> Yagoo, could be relevant: [ 3623.171221] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
[03:12] <Roasted> How do I fix read only file system errors with an iPod on Ubuntu?
[03:12] <b14d3> Dweimer: Not going to lie, that may have been a significant part of the problem all along.
[03:12] <King_John> Yagoo, this as well: [ 3621.571576] sd 7:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
[03:12] <yagoo> King_John,  that looks like an ext usb drive.. but don't think its the floppy
[03:12] <yagoo> King_John, what does "fdisk -l" << say ?
[03:13] <jakke> sorry for the wait pastebin.com/SrMq4EZi
[03:13] <d34d1y> When trying to set an open animation via ccsm, how do i set the value for all windows?
[03:13] <jakke> http://pastebin.com/SrMq4EZi
[03:13] <King_John> Yagoo, absolutly nothing
[03:13] <dweimer> b14d3: It's possible. You'll almost always want a number after the device name /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2, etc. when dealing with filesystems. /dev/sda points to the full disk and then /dev/sda1 is a specific partition.
[03:14] <jakke> Modeline "1024x768"x60.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz) yagoo
[03:14] <dweimer> b14d3: After updating the fstab file you can test it out by running 'sudo umount /server' to unmount the filesystem and then 'sudo mount /server' to mount it again without having to specify the device name.
[03:14] <dweimer> b14d3: That's where the fstab comes in, it sets up the device mapping and all of the options for you.
[03:14] <yagoo> jakke, you use that line somewhere in xorg.conf.. is that the highest res?
[03:15] <jakke> yes
[03:15] <jakke> how do i do it
[03:15] <b14d3> dweimer: Going to move around my data first, to see if I get what I needed onto the OS HD first :)
[03:15] <yagoo> jakke, you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? (try pastebiniing that.. -> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf|pastebinit -t my xlog
[03:15] <dweimer> b14d3: Good plan.
[03:15] <jakke> in live, will try
[03:16] <yagoo> King_John, i dont see how fdisk shows nothing.. you trying with sudo?
[03:16] <yagoo> jakke, you reboot into your own system..
[03:17] <King_John> Yagoo, my bad, I thought I was logged in as root, wasn't.
[03:17] <jakke> http://pastebin.com/AdfJW7W2 i modded it thoug. when i did, it did nothing
[03:17] <yagoo> jakke, btw.. is the livecd using nouveau?
[03:17] <King_John> Yagoo, I'll paste it to pastebin
[03:18] <jakke> nouveau?
[03:18] <King_John> Yagoo, http://pastebin.com/E3SNX29g
[03:18] <trap24> i did "sudo apt-get install groovy" and aborted (ctrl+c) the installation at 1%, how to undo any possible sideeffects if any
[03:18] <trap24> ?
[03:19] <yagoo> King_John,  it has to be /dev/sdb despite the ugly message about it in dmesg -- it's 1 meg... ( Disk /dev/sdb: 1 MB, 1474560 bytes )
[03:19] <jakke> yagoo what is nouveau?
[03:19] <SolarisBoy> video driver jakke open source one
[03:19] <King_John> Yagoo, I thought the same thing. Thanks for the help, enjoy your night :)
[03:19] <yagoo> jakke, what driver is the livecd using? -- we'll try xorg.conf alone.. if that fails.. we'll try another driver..
[03:19] <jakke> how do i know if i have it?
[03:19] <yagoo> King_John, np
[03:20] <SolarisBoy> lsmod would show if you have it installed.. not quite sure other than ls in the modules directory to see if you have it..
[03:20] <SolarisBoy> /installed/loaded/
[03:22] <SolarisBoy> or like yagoo mentioned you can also check xorg.conf if you have one to see what driver its using
[03:22] <asterismo> hi everybody
[03:22] <centHOGG> o/
[03:22] <asterismo> i have a couple of questions
[03:22] <jakke> found original xorg, pastebining
[03:22] <SolarisBoy> howdy
[03:23] <b14d3> Dweimer: Still moving data, going to be quite some time. But let's say that I'd like to format it so that it updates to ext4, what are the steps I should take to make sure the mount process goes alright?
[03:23] <jakke> here yagoo http://pastebin.com/Lyx1NkiN
[03:23] <asterismo> since i installed xubuntu 11.10 i noticed that umounting usb pendrives is very unclear
[03:23] <SolarisBoy> reading xorg gives me headaches =(
[03:23] <d3f4c3d> what is most stable ubuntu currently ?
[03:23] <asterismo> i have no certain feedback of what is going on
[03:23] <d3f4c3d> im going to wipe out 11.04
[03:24] <SolarisBoy> asterismo: i think by default it is controlled in the side panel when you mount one it appears there you can right click and eject/safe remove and you would then see it vanish if it was succesful
[03:24] <dweimer> b14d3: If you want to format it to ext4, the only change you need to make to /etc/fstab is to change 'ext2' to 'ext4'. Then once it's formatted you should just be able to run 'mount /server' again.
[03:24] <SolarisBoy> asterismo: you can check dmesg /var/log/messages if you want to see a more verbose output but i think thats the intent to not complex mounting/unmounting drives
[03:25] <pranav> i copied "java-6-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>" after creating /usr/jvm. changed the chmod to +R 777. appended to $PATH. reloaded src. but still "java" seems to not work. :(
[03:25] <urlin2u> asterismo, are the icons on the desktop part of your problem.
[03:25] <SolarisBoy> pranav: what did you add to path?
[03:25] <dweimer> b14d3: For the format itself, unmount it first with 'sudo umount /server' then run 'sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1' to format it. Once the format is finished update the fstab and run 'sudo mount /server'
[03:26] <asterismo> SolarisBoy > i use xubuntu desktop and the only place i can click for umounting is the thunar file manager or the desktop icon
[03:26] <pranav> SolarisBoy: JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-<IP_ADDRESS> & export JAVA_HOME then PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin
[03:26] <dweimer> b14d3: Remember the '1' in the mkfs command, that's important.  Formatting will remove all of the data on the disk.
[03:26] <jakke> so what should i do now?
[03:26] <SolarisBoy> pranav: why not use the apt-method versus the dl from oracle method?
[03:26] <SolarisBoy> and update-alternatives for java?
[03:27] <pranav> SolarisBoy: i've a mx 15KBps internet :/
[03:27] <yagoo> jakke, i already told ya
[03:27] <SolarisBoy> i think would likely be the preferred method though... do hava another java installed?
[03:28] <jakke> what?
[03:28] <asterismo> when i click on the eject at thunar i have a double contradiction message. one window message says that there was an error umounting the device, and at the same time in the notification bubbles the message says that som edata is being written and do not unplugg the usb
[03:28] <asterismo> but nothing is being written really
[03:28] <pranav> SolarisBoy: no, Iiterally created my jvm folder
[03:28] <SolarisBoy> hmm
[03:28] <dweimer> In ubuntu is there ever a need to use 'apt-get dist-upgrade' rather than 'apt-get upgrade' ? I used to have to do it with debian, but I can't even remember why at this point.
[03:28] <SolarisBoy> pranav does it fail with command not found?
[03:28] <asterismo> and the eject button stills there and i dont know if it is umounted or not
[03:28] <yagoo> jakke, use that timing modeline into the xorg.. you may need to change a thing or two.. first make an xorg.conf with X -configure (shutdown lightdm or gdm as nec)--
[03:28] <jakke> how?
[03:28] <yagoo> jakke, pastebin the sample generated xorg.conf.new unmodified (note it may say warning with X -configure, but sample file still made in /root)
[03:28] <pranav> SolarisBoy: actually now it says cannot execute binary library
[03:29] <bazhang> !dist-upgrade | dweimer
[03:29] <jakke> whay yagoo?
[03:29] <SolarisBoy> pranav: hmm... that file 'java' can you run the file command against it?
[03:29] <jakke> *what?
[03:29] <bazhang> dweimer, not really, no
[03:29] <yagoo> jakke, ctl-alt-f7 (goes to gui), ctl-alt-f1 , do /etc/init.d/lightdm stop, or /etc/init.d/gdm stop (if not using 11.10), then run X -configure, then -> cat ~/xorg.conf.new |pastebinit -t xorgsample
[03:29] <SolarisBoy> pranav: did you actually chmod +x the installer and run it as root or did you just copy some files from another system over?
[03:29] <dweimer> bazhang: Perfect, thanks.
[03:30] <jakke> brb
[03:31] <SolarisBoy> pranav: also try ldd /usr/bin/java but replace that to the path to your java binary... seems there may be an issue with the files them selves... also send command output in pastie as well as this
[03:31] <pranav> SolarisBoy: I just did "sudo chmod -R 777 /usr/lib/jvm"
[03:31] <SolarisBoy> wel...
[03:31] <dfgas> how do i disable compiz?
[03:31] <SolarisBoy> well... it should be 755 technically i believe but w/e
[03:31] <mr0wl> my Ubuntu box is frozen at the graphical boot up
[03:31] <SolarisBoy> thats not how you install java manually
[03:32] <Jonii> Anyone know any good lightweight mp3 player(preferably support for additional audio formats like flac and ogg, that's not required though)? Maybe command line one? Preferably nothing but the ability to play a file, pause it, rewind and fastforward
[03:32] <centHOGG> mr0wl: last time it worked right?
[03:32] <mr0wl> yes
[03:32] <Jonii> Maybe some simple playlist manipulation, but nothing complex
[03:32] <centHOGG> Jonii: xmms
[03:32] <bazhang> !xmms | centHOGG Jonii
[03:33] <SolarisBoy> pranav: you would end up with a file that looks like 'jre-6u29-linux-x64.bin' from wherever you pulled the "installer files"
[03:33] <mr0wl> can I exit to commandline so I can see msgs?
[03:33] <SolarisBoy> pranav: did you do the ldd and file command yet?
[03:33] <centHOGG> yeah use xmms2
[03:33] <pranav> SolarisBoy: 	not a dynamic executable
[03:33] <Jonii> xmms2? okay
[03:33] <bazhang> centHOGG, thats not what she/he wants
[03:33] <pranav> SolarisBoy: in both javac, and java
[03:33] <SolarisBoy> that doesn't seem right mines are
[03:33] <SolarisBoy> and they show what libs they were built against with no errors...
[03:34] <mr0wl> what's the shortcut to exit the graphical boot screen?
[03:34] <SolarisBoy> so if thats a precompiled binary its not working... can you post the output of file and ldd to pastie?
[03:34] <SolarisBoy> file </path/to/java> ; ldd </path/to/java>
[03:35] <Jonii> centHOGG: are you sure? that seems pretty heavyweight client based on description
[03:35] <Jonii> music library stuff etc
[03:35] <pranav> SolarisBoy: no, I actually copied "java-6-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>" folder into the directory i created i.e. "jvm". believe me, i have done it before i suppose
[03:35] <pranav> SolarisBoy: the only difference was jvm existed, which wasn'nt now
[03:35] <centHOGG> well i've used it in the past for just spitting out mp3s & flacs
[03:35] <bazhang> Jonii, xmms is for server and client, not what you were asking for at all. audacious is, however
[03:35] <SolarisBoy> heh...
[03:35] <centHOGG> on old computers
[03:36] <SolarisBoy> if that was the case you would have a file not found error
[03:36] <SolarisBoy> can you post the commands to pastie?
[03:36] <Jonii> bazhang: okay, ty
[03:36] <bazhang> pranav, why are you not installing java from the repos?
[03:37] <pranav> bazhang: SolarisBoy i think i would do it now.. :/ 2.5 hrs.
[03:37] <bazhang> !partner > pranav
[03:37] <bazhang> !java | pranav
[03:37] <SolarisBoy> +
[03:37] <pranav> bazhang: i need sun jdk
[03:37] <SolarisBoy> your copy install method failed
[03:38] <SolarisBoy> either get the *bin or install from a repo somehow
[03:38] <Jonii> The word "advanced" in that "advanced audio player" seems worrysome. I'm looking for a player that's really simple. Like, everything not-necessary removed and made permanently non-available
[03:38] <bazhang> pranav, what you are trying is not the method to go about it at all.
[03:38] <Ethek> .
[03:38] <SolarisBoy> +
[03:38] <bazhang> Jonii, its very basic
[03:38] <pranav> nick /trap24
[03:38] <pranav> *sry
[03:38] <bazhang> Jonii, it is skinnnable if you wish, or just ultra basic
[03:38] <bazhang> -n
[03:39] <Jonii> bazhang: okay, i'll try that one out
[03:39] <SolarisBoy> you may be able to copy jar files or something from computer to computer running compatible versions of java,, but i've never heard of a copy folder install...
[03:39] <SolarisBoy> ever
[03:41] <machiolate> how do I extract with 7z to a folder within the same directory? (via command line)
[03:43] <SolarisBoy> 7z e
[03:43] <jakke> can somebody pm me the pastebins i posted?
[03:43] <magpii> my firewall keeps turning off, can someone tell me how to create a log please?
[03:43] <bazhang> jakke, you can check the logs for this channel
[03:43] <bazhang> !1984 | jakke
[03:44] <chiggins> On the ubuntu wiki, it says that my laptop, lenovo s10-3t, the vga external video port works. but for some reason, ubuntu 11.10 doesn't seen to recognize that something is plugged into it. any ideas?
[03:44] <bazhang> magpii, your router firewall? iptables? something else? what do you mean turning off
[03:44] <SolarisBoy> magpii: ufw?
[03:44] <SolarisBoy> ahh same thought paths =)
[03:44] <Jonii> audacious does look a bit too complicated, but I guess it's good enough unless someone knows any simpler music players
[03:45] <scratchingmyhead> my workspace switcher or clock sometimes gets deleted on startup... I know this has been a problem and was wondering if there was ever a fix for it?
[03:45] <SolarisBoy> some said xmms2 already,, thats pretty simple
[03:45] <bazhang> Jonii, you want something command line then?
[03:45] <urlin2u> chiggins, you open the monitors settings app?
[03:45] <SolarisBoy> there was one called mocp that ran in a terminal at one point.. Jonii
[03:45] <bazhang> SolarisBoy, thats for client/server a bit over kill for what he was asking
[03:45] <magpii> i have the firestarter gui up, everytime i click the "start firewall" button, it comes on for a few seconds then i get the red stopped icon up
[03:45] <chiggins> urlin2u - aye, says only the laptop monitor is there
[03:45] <SolarisBoy> bazhang: ahh
[03:46] <SolarisBoy> aplay =)?
[03:47] <justanewbie> what's the difference between directory permission,drwxr-S--- and drwxr-s---,are the s and S the same thing,please help
[03:47] <trap24> SolarisBoy: bazhang: is there a way to tell if the copy of java is 64bit or 32bit ??
[03:47] <Jonii> bazhang: not necessarily, no, but i don't dislike the idea
[03:47] <bazhang> trap24, you're installing from the repos? or just trying to copy paste as before
[03:47] <jakke> logs haven't updated yet
[03:48] <Jonii> But anyway, I tested this, and actually, I think audacious works
[03:48] <bazhang> jakke, should be at the top of the hour
[03:48] <Jonii> Adjusted some settings and now it seems pretty reliable
[03:48] <SolarisBoy> yea cause your going to get an error trying to tell with the copy/paste method apparently =)
[03:48] <jakke> not my pastebins tho
[03:48] <trap24> bazhang: no, I will copy from the repo.. just for the inquiry ?
[03:48] <SolarisBoy> you could run like ldd against it and see which libraries it was built against...if it were working
[03:48] <SolarisBoy> trap24: *install from repo
[03:48] <SolarisBoy> trap24: or install the *bin
[03:48] <justanewbie> what's the difference between directory permission,drwxr-S--- and drwxr-s---,are the s and S the same thing,please help
[03:49] <bazhang> trap24, I hope you mean install from repo, and not copy paste
[03:49] <bazhang> !permissions | justanewbie
[03:49] <trap24> SolarisBoy: I have the bin folder
[03:49] <trap24> in jav
[03:49] <SolarisBoy> trap24: doesn't matter
[03:49] <SolarisBoy> the files are not built for your system
[03:49] <SolarisBoy> install it from the proper place EOS
[03:50] <bazhang> trap24, you realize the bin is not the repos method I hope
[03:50] <SolarisBoy> yes its not preferred.. as initially asked why not use repo but you stated you had slow connection
[03:50] <SolarisBoy> in that case,, if you ARE going to use an alternate method... you should be using the bin file provided by the SV
[03:51] <trap24> SolarisBoy: bazhang ok soln for all -> Repo I suppose.
[03:51] <trap24> thanks
[03:51] <SolarisBoy> np trap24
[03:52] <inference> how can i return a pid within a script by name?
[03:52] <inference> taskset -c 0 (function that fetches pid of(process))
[03:52] <justanewbie> bazhang: i've looked thought the whole tutorial for permissions,but i'm wondering the differences of S and s,chomd g+s <dir>,it give me a uppercase S,but what does lowercase s mean in permissions?
[03:53] <justanewbie> bazhang: is the drwxr-s--- and drwxr-S--- the same thing?
[03:54] <SolarisBoy> lower case is for setgid
[03:55] <hot2trot> ls
[03:56] <untitled_only> sup room?
[03:56] <bazhang> untitled_only, ubuntu support
[03:56] <untitled_only> I kno
[03:57] <madlinuxdrummer> hi all, does anyone know much on screen rotation with combi tablet/laptops?
[03:57] <justanewbie> SolarisBoy: does g+s means give the directory setgid,but it show me a uppercase s?
[03:59] <SolarisBoy> no they are two seperate things.
[03:59] <SolarisBoy> well
[03:59] <SolarisBoy> they mean seperate things
[03:59] <SolarisBoy> S means the user who owns the file does not have x set on it
[03:59] <justanewbie> SolarisBoy: in permission drwxr-s--- ,i can access the directory,but drwxr-S---,i got permission denied error,so i am wondering the differences between them?
[04:00] <SolarisBoy> because you need x set to cd into  a directory as a user most likely...
[04:00] <SolarisBoy> cd into a directory is executing against that directory..
[04:00] <justanewbie> SolarisBoy: how can i set lowercase s to a directory?
[04:00] <SolarisBoy> give the proper user a executable bit on the folder...
[04:01] <justanewbie> SolarisBoy: thank you very much,i see
[04:01] <justanewbie> :D
[04:01] <machiolate> is it normal for 7z to take a very long time to unrar?
[04:01] <SolarisBoy> /wink/
[04:01] <machiolate> seems like its taking forever
[04:01] <tonyyarusso> machiolate: Um, 7z and rar are different formats, for starters.
[04:01] <SolarisBoy> lol that reminds me of those never ending zip files evil people used to make =)
[04:01] <SolarisBoy> hehe
[04:02] <machiolate> it's an expanded version toyyarusso, it supports rar
[04:02] <centHOGG> i like rar
[04:02] <SolarisBoy> i like tar
[04:02] <centHOGG> time for a smoke
[04:02] <SolarisBoy> =0
[04:04] <rodhash> Guys, is there any way to run compiz with xfwm4?? I dont like the way compiz change the window border
[04:04] <bazhang> rodhash, tried asking in #compiz yet?
[04:04] <centHOGG> heh
[04:09] <yagoo> jakke, http://dpaste.com/661060/
[04:10] <yagoo> and I like xar.. it's supposed to be like the successor for tar
[04:10] <centHOGG> whatever floats yur boat
[04:10]  * SolarisBoy was actually waiting on that last archiving fav
[04:11] <SolarisBoy> once they start rolling xar out in commonly used distro's ill use it =)
[04:14] <dissipate> anyone here use amazon s3 and have mounted an s3 bucket in ubuntu 11.10 with s3fs?
[04:14] <SolarisBoy> coooool beans dissipate did not know you could do that
[04:14] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, yep, you can, i did it but i'm getting some weird behavior with the mount. :(
[04:15] <SolarisBoy> im sure its some derivitive of sshfs or similar
[04:15] <SolarisBoy> over the internet at that...
[04:16] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, it uses Fuse actually
[04:17] <SolarisBoy> ohh.. cool fuse logs... fuse versions can often be problematic and show issues like that.. check your logs should be fuse_*.c stuff there
[04:17] <SolarisBoy> *regardless,,, sshfs/fuse/nfs its traversing the interwebs
[04:17] <SolarisBoy> but logs may have some data
[04:18] <dissipate> here's what's happening. i mount the s3 bucket in /mnt just fine, except when i go into /mnt there is nothing there.
[04:18] <dissipate> i have to create a directory with the name matching the name of the directory in the bucket for the files to show up
[04:19] <SolarisBoy> hmm so... does this tool install some tool for mount?
[04:19] <SolarisBoy> mount.*
[04:19] <g665> !ops
[04:19] <dissipate> but this actually causes a file to be created in the bucket itself, and the file size of this new file is being reported as some massive number of bytes causing ubuntu to think i am out of disk space. :(
[04:20] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, yes, the tool is 's3fs'. so you do: s3fs <bucket name> <mount point>
[04:21] <dissipate> e.g.: s3fs mybucket /mnt
[04:21] <bobweaver> Hello there I was wondering what the command to open  "take screenshot " is anyone know ?
[04:21] <bobweaver> form terminal ^^
[04:21] <bobweaver> from *
[04:24] <Sanus> Hey.  I'm back.  Again.
[04:24] <Sanus> I've fixed alsa, just by updating it, and I've fixed the wireless card... by updating it.
[04:24] <Sanus> Down to ATI drivers, and Synaptics Touchpad.
[04:24] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: are you following the how to on code.google.com?
[04:24] <Sanus> So!  Round 3!
[04:25] <Untitled_only> sup
[04:25] <Sanus> Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx, Compaq Presario CQ57, specifications on request.  Current problems:  No Video Driver, Touchpad detects as Ps/2 instead of SynPs/2.
[04:26] <Sanus> Will be reposting every now and then, if the spam is bad.
[04:26] <Sanus> But I'm guessing it's not this late at night.
[04:27] <Sanus> Anyone here who might be able to help me?
[04:27] <Untitled_only> with what?
[04:27] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, hmm, pretty much, but i think i might try tweaking something and see if that works.
[04:27] <Sanus> Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx, Compaq Presario CQ57, specifications on request.  Current problems:  No Video Driver, Touchpad detects as Ps/2 instead of SynPs/2.
[04:28] <SolarisBoy> dissipate see the troubleshooting section and the suggestions?
[04:28] <Sanus> Can any of you guys help me out?
[04:28] <Untitled_only> did you scan for additional dirvers yet?
[04:28] <Sanus> Yes.  I have.
[04:28] <SolarisBoy> have you checked the log or try mounting with -f?
[04:28] <Sanus> No proprietary drivers, until I installed the wireless business.
[04:29] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, nope, i'm looking at these: http://code.google.com/p/s3fs/w/list
[04:29] <SolarisBoy> what occurs are there errors? also whats the return code of the command? when your complete and you type mount is it observed in the output?
[04:29] <bobweaver> Sanus:  please open your terminal and type in the following  :    lspci -nn | grep VGA
[04:30] <bobweaver> and post here please
[04:30] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: precisely http://code.google.com/p/s3fs/wiki/FuseOverAmazon || search (?-i)troubleshooting
[04:30] <rodhash> Guys.. any idea why I have these errors?? --> DRI2SwapBuffers: bad drawable
[04:30] <Sanus> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:9804]
[04:30] <Sanus> Sir yes sir.
[04:32] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, my problem isn't there. :(
[04:32] <SolarisBoy> do you mean you have performed the two exact commands they say to run to troubleshoot and you also have done the above? gotten the return code of the command etc?
[04:33] <SolarisBoy> +mount output or  cat /proc/mounts?
[04:33] <bobweaver> Sanus:  you have seen this ? 1002:9804
[04:33] <bobweaver> sorry
[04:33] <bobweaver> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/858450
[04:33] <bobweaver> that is it Sanus ^^
[04:33] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, no, but i will after i try this tweak. keep in mind i didn't get any errors, just bizarre behavior.
[04:33] <opticlove> hi, i want to make a new partition on my currently active drive and i know i need to boot using a live cd. does it matter what distro i use?
[04:33] <Sanus> bobweaver: I've not seen it.  I'll check it out.
[04:34] <Sanus> I don't have Oneiric.  I have Lucid Lynx.
[04:34] <bobweaver> Sanus:  It is always good idea to file bug
[04:34] <SolarisBoy> dissipate good reason to check the logs and the debug command they have on their wiki
[04:34] <TheBuntu> Whats better mbr or gpt... have a 500 gig hdd
[04:34] <bobweaver> Sanus:  intermina :    lsmod              then pastebin please
[04:35] <Sanus> Don't know what intermina is
[04:35] <bobweaver> terminal
[04:35] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, yep, ill check it out after i try installing s3fs again.
[04:35] <Sanus> Ah
[04:36] <Sanus> bobweaver: http://pastebin.com/B0dyPHhh
[04:36] <SolarisBoy> be mindful that you are installing the latest version hopefully that passes all those bugs i see on the code page.. looks like starter software and also open.. so it *should* be getting better version by version i guess
[04:36] <rodhash> any idea someone?
[04:37] <SolarisBoy> rodhash: are you using some graphical application or some compiz plugin for example?
[04:37] <rodhash> SolarisBoy, no just compiz + emerald
[04:38] <OerHeks> !emerald
[04:38] <rodhash> ubottu, I didnt know
[04:38] <SolarisBoy> rodhash: its being reported from X generally when bad code is causing errors for X data flows
[04:38] <SolarisBoy> lol
[04:39] <SolarisBoy> ubottu is so cute
[04:39]  * SolarisBoy blushing
[04:39] <rodhash> SolarisBoy, what can I use instead of emerald?
[04:39] <Sanus> No known alternatives.
[04:39] <SolarisBoy> not sure.. i never really was into it
[04:39] <Sanus> You could just get some good ol' Metacity themes
[04:40]  * SolarisBoy which looks way better to me anyway
[04:40] <Sanus> Emerald won't work well with Natty+ methinks
[04:40] <LinuX2half> Hi, I cannot install Ubuntu because MBR only allows four hard drives and now I cannot create extended partition.
[04:40] <bobweaver> Sanus:  this is what screen looks like ? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/81494122/Screenshot%20at%202011-09-29%2020%3A02%3A48.png
[04:40] <SolarisBoy> 4 primary partitions?
[04:41] <LinuX2half> Yes.
[04:41] <SolarisBoy> heh
[04:41] <d34d1y> How do i disable the default conky config from loading upon restart?
[04:41] <Sanus> Oh god no.  But that is cool.
[04:41] <Sanus> I'm using Lucid Lynx, like I said.  I don't think they use very similar drivers.
[04:41] <SolarisBoy> d34d1y: how did you start it?
[04:42] <SolarisBoy> ahh the config.. move the .*rc out of the ~/ its in
[04:42] <SolarisBoy> or rename it to something else
[04:43] <LinuX2half> The four primary partitions is necessary for my system to operate and I cannot delete either of them, so what else is there to do?
[04:43] <SolarisBoy> get another disk
[04:43] <Mitochondria> How would i go about extracting mulit-rar'd files?
[04:44] <SolarisBoy> Mitochondria: use the first one
[04:44] <SolarisBoy> unrar x firstone
[04:44] <SolarisBoy> it will find the others after you do that. Mitochondria
[04:44] <LinuX2half> Another disk?
[04:44] <SolarisBoy> yes and another mbr on that one
[04:45] <SolarisBoy> and create a partition there
[04:45] <rodhash> SolarisBoy, metacity is used together with compiz?
[04:45] <SolarisBoy> as you have reached the limits in your circumstance apparently
[04:45] <SolarisBoy> rodhash: yes
[04:45] <LinuX2half> So, how exactly could I get another MBR?
[04:45] <SolarisBoy> with another disk
[04:45] <SolarisBoy> lol
[04:46] <SolarisBoy> LinuX2half: whats the requirement for your "partitions"?
[04:46] <SolarisBoy> could you not have 4 LVM mounts or something?
[04:46] <LinuX2half> requirements?
[04:46] <Mitochondria> It's a rar within another rar.  I googled and found a solution using rootdelay=140 on boot line, it worked but my ubuntu takes ages to boot up, and there's also this strange pops in my speakers that wasnt happening before... any ideas ?
[04:47] <SolarisBoy> why do you "need" to have 4 parts of a drive cutup and CANT do smoething like LVM?
[04:47] <SolarisBoy> judging the situation you are in..
[04:47] <LinuX2half> The four partitions were pre-installed into my computer after I've bought it.
[04:47] <LinuX2half> it is: System, HP Tools, Recovery, Local Disk.
[04:48] <SolarisBoy> recovery disk and the hpa on the drive wont get touched anyway
[04:48] <SolarisBoy> so thats no worries..
[04:48] <SolarisBoy> hp tools not sure about
[04:48] <SolarisBoy> system i assume is your OS? so what is your aim right now.. you are INSTALLING an OS.. it needs to sit somewhere...
[04:49] <SolarisBoy> in your case i would say get another disk.
[04:49] <LinuX2half> Yes, I'm planning to create an extended partition but since I cannot partition anymore, I cannot do so.
[04:49] <SolarisBoy> heh
[04:49] <SolarisBoy> should plan for success
[04:51] <LinuX2half> So you're saying I should get any hard drive?
[04:51] <centHOGG> what?
[04:51] <dariushall21> Hello, can someone help me install MacBuntu on 11.10? I can't figure it out, I've tried serveral tutorials.
[04:51] <LinuX2half> *another
[04:52] <SolarisBoy> no im saying get another drive if you have run out of partitioning options and judging your situation
[04:52] <_bogus_> hey there... i cant boot my ubuntu anymore :/ it seems its caused by an update (device not found, referenced by uuid, but i set off the use of uuid in /etc/default/grub) ... I googled and found a solution using rootdelay=140 on boot line, it worked but my ubuntu takes ages to boot up
[04:53] <_bogus_> any ideas on how to fix that ?
[04:54] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, it looks like the change to my script solved one of my problems, but i still have a file being reported as having a huge file size.
[04:54] <LinuX2half> I'm not sure how I could get another disk.
[04:55] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: that would honestly be something you can post to that wiki page if it's open, seems they have google groups.. other than logging errors that are normal no clue what its doing and how the amazon api reads it and vice versa
[04:55] <dariushall21> Anytime I try to open the install.sh it just flashes terminal then closes, I even edited the code as the tutorial I followed said to do.
[04:55] <SolarisBoy> LinuX2half: purchase one.. open the computer attach it ensure it is recognized boot up ubuntu and observe if it gives the option to install there.
[04:56] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, i just can't believe no one else out there isn't having this problem S3 is a popular service. people must be trying to mount their S3 buckets.
[04:57] <dariushall21> Does anyone here know anything about Ubuntu One? I want to restore a backup
[04:57] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: i use s3 all the time, i've never had a need to mount a bucket for anything
[04:58] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, so how do you access your s3 files from ubuntu?
[04:58] <SolarisBoy> at most i can use s3cmd to script stuff out if needed but s3 is intended to be *cloud* storage i think thats a horrible misuse of it
[04:58] <SolarisBoy> s3cmd
[04:58] <SolarisBoy> or s3browser in ff depending on if i really feel like opening a big stinky browser to see some files or not
[05:00] <SolarisBoy> well upload database dumps,, FS dumps, web assets/images, etc out to s3 *from* the instances mainly.. only when doing obscure stuff like migrating AMIs across regions ever did i need to access s3 really from home
[05:00] <LinuX2half> So I would need to purchase another disk and attach it to the original hard drive, then boot it up to see if it allows installation?
[05:00] <SolarisBoy> attache it to the system bus yes
[05:01] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, i haven't used s3cmd, is that one good?
[05:01] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: yes it also works =)
[05:01] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, i'm trying to download source code tarballs that i have stored in S3.
[05:02] <SolarisBoy> thats probably a WAYYY better idea than mounting it over the internet to some buggy/hacky/weird developers weird misuse of s3 storage
[05:02] <SolarisBoy> s3cmd is more like curl/lftp... simple just dl the files.. tons of other options,, CRUD stuff ,, batch stuff etc
[05:02] <wolfman3k5> has anyone seen Motherfucker James? (that's his real name btw.)
[05:04] <SolarisBoy> dissipate it will also self configure based on passed in values interactively,, basically i install it, run it with s3cmd -configure or something similar feed it key and skey.. and your done,, s3 is available and working
[05:04] <dr3mro> after the latest big updates yesterday ubuntu is faster and more stable
[05:04]  * SolarisBoy goes to update machine
[05:04] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, cool. ill check it out.
[05:04] <dr3mro> but why all of these updates together it's almost 180mb
[05:05] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: cool.
[05:05] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, the reason why mounting a bucket is more convenient for me is because i'm setting up my servers via puppet. the idea was to symlink puppet's files directories to my mounted s3 bucket.
[05:05] <SolarisBoy> umm
[05:05] <SolarisBoy> dude..
[05:05] <SolarisBoy> make puppet use s3cmd
[05:06] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, that's what i'm going to do.
[05:06] <SolarisBoy> cool beans
[05:06] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: ever use chef?
[05:07] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, but it's not as clean. if i could symlink the s3 bucket i can use 'source => /modules/...'
[05:07] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, nope. have heard of it though.
[05:07] <SolarisBoy> whats your aim in general? and are these on ec2 instances? or are you doing this on some phys servers (which would be a little weird to opt cloud storage down to phy boxes)
[05:08] <dr3mro> hello
[05:08] <push> Unable to load OSS here..
[05:08] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: chef owns puppet, chef is puppets poppa =)
[05:08] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, these are all EC2 instances. my aim is to set up my AWS web app using puppet when the AMI launches. i need to download my source code from my S3 bucket to do that.
[05:09] <push> cant load ...../dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[05:09] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: there are better ways to do it... i consult for many cloud based environments
[05:09] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: do you EIP all those instances "mounting" cloud storage?
[05:10] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, is chef less popular than puppet? not that it matters, just curious as to why puppet seems to be more prevalent.
[05:10] <SolarisBoy> if not expect broken links and disaster
[05:10] <blackcatnekonegr> Hello, what was the command to force a reinstall of ubuntu?
[05:10] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: people prefer simplicity,, when you look at chef configs,, you see yaml and raw ruby... but its tons more powerful
[05:11] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, nope.
[05:11] <SolarisBoy> my job is stuck on silly puppet,, i demo'd chef for them they were in awe... but then they settled to stick with puppet,, because the configs "look easier"
[05:11] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: so how will the mount function once the IP changes? which can happen randomly without instance bouncing
[05:12] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, personally i'm not liking config management at all, so i'm actually not keen on either. :O
[05:12] <dr3mro> blackcatnekonegr, ? why ?
[05:12] <SolarisBoy> well you need something in the cloud if you have something scalable going on
[05:12] <blackcatnekonegr> dr3mro, some messed up update, thats why
[05:13] <SolarisBoy> else you need to MASTER your AMI's which is probably harder considering the small variances of running redundant systems... like you know.. not having duplicate settings in configs that freak things out and such...
[05:13] <dr3mro> blackcatnekonegr, because you missed update you like to reinstall ??
[05:13] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, i'm using amazon's internal IPs with puppet, so those don't change. as for the mount, i'm assuming since the instance is connecting to S3, it doesn't matter of the instance's IP changes.
[05:13] <SolarisBoy> this is where the config manager comes in.. and where chef dominates... but in your case i would do s3cmd back down..
[05:13] <dr3mro> blackcatnekonegr, what error message you get ?
[05:13] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: its mounting s3...
[05:14] <blackcatnekonegr> dr3mro, because I cannot log in in the gui I wanna reinstall, thats what I call MESSED UP update, sorry, don't want to be sure, but the last update messed up my os
[05:14] <SolarisBoy> if the IP address changes im sure thats disrupting the communication protocol underlying whatever the application level THINKS it may be doing
[05:14] <SolarisBoy> and no mount or stale mount occurs
[05:14] <SolarisBoy> creating stale links.. broken app etc..
[05:14] <blackcatnekonegr> *rude
[05:15] <dr3mro> blackcatnekonegr, ok . what happens when you start your pc , do you get error message ?
[05:15] <push> unable to install packeages error ...cannot stat `/usr/local/bin/ztemtApp/ztemt.ko'
[05:15] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, well i'm convinced. no s3fs for me. :O
[05:15] <SolarisBoy> much more feasible to do a pull down.. which you can retry... cron it out s3cmd has a rsync feature as well
[05:15] <SolarisBoy> its rather cool
[05:15] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: indeed
[05:16] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, yeah, i'll just use puppet's 'exec' to do an s3cmd to pull down and untar the source files.
[05:16] <SolarisBoy> yea thats simply scripted.. is the tar named something sane? if so.. its a breeze in puppet even
[05:16] <Nuked> Allahu Akbar!
[05:17] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, BTW, i wonder if puppet is popular because sysadmins don't want to have to learn Ruby? :O
[05:17] <dr3mro> Nuked, welcome
[05:17] <Nuked> dr
[05:17] <Nuked> dr3mro, thank you
[05:17] <SolarisBoy> smh ruby rules the world... all the sysadmins at my job are stuck on perl for some odd reason
[05:17] <dr3mro> Nuked, do you speek arabic ?
[05:17] <SolarisBoy> i can't stand perl with all the -> around and stuff,, so unreadable looks like chicken scratch ;<
[05:18] <Nuked> dr3mro, a bit actually
[05:18] <dr3mro> Nuked, good
[05:18] <dr3mro> Nuked, good  for you
[05:18] <Nuked> dr3mro, alhamdulilah
[05:18] <dr3mro> Nuked, do you have a problem ?
[05:18] <SolarisBoy> i purposely do NOT do things in perl to annoy people... so funny i get my scripts done in so much less time.. and they work .. but thats because OO wasn't an afterthought for ruby....
[05:19] <Nuked> indeed I do, I can't figure out where to configure login manager
[05:19] <dr3mro> Nuked, what version of ubuntu do you have installed \
[05:19] <Nuked> oneiric
[05:19] <dr3mro> Nuked, good .
[05:20] <Nuked> dr3mro, I wanted to know if perhaps there is a way to use a custom theme for the login manager
[05:20] <push> /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[05:20] <push> error on ossplay -l
[05:21] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: right now chef is managing ec2 configs and as autoscale kicks up it performs a look up on the proc table, mounted disks, etc, and shoots a clean nagios config file into place and restart the service.. adding monitoring for each instance.. when it spins down we remove the instance.. so our monitoring autoscales with the aws env =)
[05:22] <SolarisBoy> for example
[05:22] <dr3mro> nuked found it wait ill give you a link
[05:22] <Nuked> dr3mro, thank you
[05:23] <RageSith> lo everybody
[05:23] <dr3mro> nuked http://www.ubuntugeek.com/simple-lightdm-manager.html
[05:24] <Nuked> dr3mro, I will look that up
[05:24] <dr3mro> Nuked, go there and you will find what you want
[05:24] <Nuked> dr3mro, jazakallahu khairan
[05:24] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, sounds awesome. are the config templates full blown RoR?
[05:25] <RageSith> whenever i try to upload a file via ftp containing special chars like ö,ä,ü or i try to type them via vim into a filrs somestrange letter appear instead
[05:25] <dr3mro> Nuked, wa eyakom :)
[05:25] <RageSith> is there a way to activate any German Layout serverwide?
[05:26] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: yes full blown ruby
[05:26] <RageSith> so i can use all those ä,ü.ö and so on?
[05:26] <starn> hello, can anyone help me with Ampache?
[05:27] <dissipate> SolarisBoy, sweet. sounds like chef is more powerful indeed.
[05:29] <SolarisBoy> dissipate: the file classes are nuts.. they have something actually called a templating mechanism which references config files.. it generally rebuilds stuff for you based on replacing variables in files like httpd.conf you can use it for the config management,, it uses something called recipes.. for instance a recipe called lamp may spin a bare server into a lamp server in seconds!!,, (you dont need to say windows/linux/unix it can
[05:29] <SolarisBoy> brb
[05:29] <grendal-prime> unity blows
[05:30] <grendal-prime> seriously...there needs to be a revolt of some sort
[05:30] <blackcatnekonegr> Hello, what was that gnome program that allowed you to burn ubuntu isos in ush flash drives?
[05:30] <Nuked> grendal-prime, that's your opinion
[05:31] <grendal-prime> oneday soon there will be a page called the top 10 things to do with ubuntu after you install it...the first item will be two install the gnome3-shell
[05:31] <SolarisBoy> other awesome thing is (last thing i promise) ,, its so opensource... right now there are hundreds of recipes people from all over the world have put together,, you can get up and running and download a repo locally and just use already working stuff.. =)... such a win. brb
[05:31] <dissipate> grendal-prime, installation of gnome is just a couple clicks away.
[05:31] <grendal-prime> ya..
[05:31] <grendal-prime> i just cant belive how lame it is.
[05:32] <dissipate> grendal-prime, in case you haven't heard though, there is a revolt. people are defecting to linux mint, because apparently they can't figure out how to install gnome.
[05:32] <grendal-prime> good.
[05:32] <grendal-prime> isnt mint based on ubuntu?  or is a direct decendent of debian
[05:33] <grendal-prime> im seriously thinking about just going back to using debian proper.
[05:33] <dissipate> grendal-prime, there are both debian and ubuntu based versions of mint.
[05:33] <Nuked> dissipate, that's ridiculos
[05:33] <dissipate> Nuked, why?
[05:33] <blackcatnekonegr> dissipate, or they are using xubuntu, I really need that program to burn ubuntu isos into usb flash drives, computer does not have a dvd or cd reader
[05:33] <starn> does anyone know anything about ampache?
[05:33] <grendal-prime> been using this for 9+ years now...this thig sucks.
[05:34] <blackcatnekonegr> starn, don't you mean apache?
[05:34] <grendal-prime> blackcatnekonegr,  did you try the startup disk creator?
[05:34] <A|i3N> simple question, possibly a "no" question lol. Ya know how u can send output to a file (e.g. "man kill >> kill.txt)? Is there a way to send output straight to your clipboard? Like instead of making a file and copy/paste to where you want it, just send it to the clipboard?
[05:34] <grendal-prime> you can point whatever iso to a usb stick
[05:34] <starn> blackcatnekonegr: no ampache...
[05:35] <Nuked> dissipate, how hard could it be to install gnome 3
[05:35] <starn> blackcatnekonegr: it does use apache though..
[05:35] <dissipate> Nuked, not too hard as far as i know.
[05:35] <dissipate> Nuked, but leave it to people to change their entire OS.
[05:36] <grendal-prime> there are allot of really "challenged" people that are using ubuntu as a cheep varriant of a mac desktop
[05:36] <dissipate> i'm not opposed to unity, i just wish they had let it bake longer before making it the default.
[05:36] <grendal-prime> trust me i set them up  for them.
[05:36] <blackcatnekonegr>  grendal-prime, than you, is that one, last update really messed up lubuntu so I am installing it over with a usb flash drive
[05:36] <grendal-prime> exactly dissipate
[05:36] <dissipate> grendal-prime, then unity should appeal to them...
[05:37] <grendal-prime> dissipate, nope..they are all.."what do i do?"
[05:37] <starn> i keep getting 404 errors.. when everything appears to be setup correctly. and the address is http://localhost/ampache
[05:37] <grendal-prime> and im all like..here...just do this then that then feel it out...
[05:37] <DarkLinux_7> hello fellow hackers :)
[05:37] <dissipate> grendal-prime, well in that case, we know where ubuntu is heading...
[05:37] <grendal-prime> remember the mac wheel computer...thats what it reminds me of
[05:38] <sln45> On Natty with Gnome 2 and no Unity. I want something to make "web applications" like Prism/WebRunner used to, like what Gnome 3 is going to be able to do.
[05:38] <sln45> Any suggestions?
[05:38] <grendal-prime> everything is just a few hundred clicks away
[05:39] <grendal-prime> here is a tape on the left...no not everything is visible...and you have to point to everything on it to get a tool tip to see what it is...yes that seems a bit like those pictures on the wall of the pyramids but thats progress...read? no use pictures.
[05:39] <grendal-prime> oh by the way pictures you have not seen on anything ever before?
[05:40] <sln45> Uh. Am I actually in the Ubuntu support channel?
[05:40] <blackcatnekonegr> sln45, Gnome 3 is... it feels like a beta, I understand why they removed backtrack compatibility, but even basic stuff had to be done with command lines,
[05:41] <sln45> blackcatnekonegr:... Right. So do you know of anything I could use to make these "web apps"?
[05:41] <sln45> They're essentially browser windows without any toolbars. Just a simple window displaying a webpage.
[05:42] <rigel> this is probably a mildly silly question, BUT....
[05:42] <sln45> They run independently of internet browsers, though. I want that in gnome 2.
[05:42] <sln45> rigel: Ask away
[05:42] <devkorcvince> sln45 you can create a python gtk+ and webkit app or vala gtk+ and webkit combo for that
[05:42] <rigel> i want to reinstall/upgrade from a cd, and want to nuke my settings but dont want to format my /home partition
[05:42] <sln45> devkorvince: Woah. Sounds above my skillset.
[05:43] <rigel> i can just boot into the cd, delete /etc, /opt, and /home/user/settingsfiles, and reinstall and that should be fine, yes?
[05:44] <sln45> rigel: It formats the whole thing by default.  I have no expertise whatsoever.
[05:44] <rigel> sln45: clearly
[05:44] <rigel> and thanks
[05:45] <sln45> rigel:No need to be obnoxious, jeez.
[05:45] <rigel> DarkLinux_7: well some settings are in the aforementioned /etc and /opt
[05:45] <isekc> hello
[05:45] <rigel> also its kind of irritating that i will have to reinstall all the packages and PPAs
[05:46] <sln45> devkorvince: You never finished your sentence. It ended on "for"
[05:46] <rigel> is there something that can collect those for me so that i can reinstall them as a batch job or something
[05:47] <aaronh5> why does the tar command only work when i am in the same directory as the file i am extracting.. i cant use a path
[05:48] <devkorcvince> sln45: oh the easiest way for ubuntu is using python gtk+ and webkit cause vala needs more libs to install... I will post a video cast just a moment
[05:48] <DarkLinux_7> rigel: yea just make a script that has a repeating apt-get install "packagename", it takes a while to write but if u use synaptic to get your pkg names and ppa's from the sources you shouldnt have a problem
[05:48] <rigel> synaptic?
[05:48] <rigel> i have always used apt-get
[05:48] <kanhiya> help me solve my UBuntu 11.10 bluetooth problem
[05:49] <DarkLinux_7> rigel: just type each command on a new line as if you were installing ur packages via terminal
[05:49] <devkorcvince> sln45: i think this is a good cast http://tuxradar.com/content/python-pygtk-webkit-20-minutes
[05:49] <RageSith> how i can change a file from ASCII text to UTF-8 Unicode (with BOM) text, with CRLF line terminators?
[05:49] <kanhiya> i am not able to send or receive files via bluetooth
[05:49] <kanhiya> permission denied(13) appears
[05:49] <kanhiya> i don't know what the hell  developers are doing
[05:49] <rigel> how am i supposed to pull a list of all the packages and PPAs (with keys)
[05:50] <rigel> thats what i'm asking, basically
[05:50] <sln45> devkorvince: Oh, wow! Cool. So I can learn about the basics, and then I should be able to figure out how to create something like what I need?
[05:50] <kanhiya> when everything is working fine, than there is no need to update this
[05:50] <Pratz_> Hi, since I upgraded to 11.10 various things have broken. I don't want to do a complete format. Is there any way to repair/reinstall?
[05:50] <DarkLinux_7> then save the script as .sh and right click it, go to permissions, and tick run as pgram.
[05:50] <kanhiya> bluetooth was working well in 11.04 but in 11.10 , it really ____
[05:51] <rigel> DarkLinux_7: i understand how to run a shell script. i want to know how to create the list of installed packages and PPAs with associated keys
[05:51] <kanhiya> Any suggestion to install previous bluetooth version
[05:51] <rigel> so that i can write a script in the first place
[05:51] <kanhiya> in UBuntu 11.10
[05:51] <kanhiya> i like Gnome shell & don't want to revert to ubuntu 11.04 & updating there
[05:52] <kanhiya> or i will have to switch Linux Mint :)
[05:53] <DarkLinux_7> you can google that, i know theres a command to get all installed package names... um the ppas however im now sure of
[05:53] <kanhiya> Bluetooth & wi-fi are now widely used, they should be properly maintained by canonical
[05:54] <trap24> I used "apt-get install sun-java6-jdk", for like  1 hours it went to 91%, and then something broke the download.. what should i do now to resume :{
[05:54] <trap24> SolarisBoy: bazhang I used "apt-get install sun-java6-jdk", for like  1 hours it went to 91%, and then something broke the download.. what should i do now to resume :{
[05:54] <DarkLinux_7> trap24: chek for corrupt packages, then try reinstalling
[05:54] <bullgard4> If the file mode is given (octal) as »100664«, what does that mean? See 'man tcpdump'.
[05:55] <kanhiya> Anybody here who has same type of Bluetooth problem
[05:55] <kanhiya> :)
[05:55] <trap24> DarkLinux_7: you mean start from 0%
[05:55] <trap24> ?
[05:55] <trap24> i used sudp apt-get update
[05:55] <trap24> already.. all was right
[05:55] <DarkLinux_7> basically yeah... or you could use synaptic
[05:56] <Panaman> !nick Panamannn
[05:56] <Panaman> !help
[05:56] <A|i3N> If I install ubuntu into my car's onboard computer, can I do sudo apt-get gas to fill up?
[05:56] <skyball> i've downloaded SuperTuxKart, and it is Awesome.  Except no joysticks have worked for me yet, I've tried two.  The application sees them, and I can configure buttons, but I cannot seem to race with the joystick, only keyboard. :(    Can anyone help?
[05:57] <trap24> DarkLinux --fix-missing wont do ??
[05:57] <DarkLinux_7> skyball: check your harware settings for the joysticks
[05:57] <DarkLinux_7> trap24: it mich
[05:58] <kanhiya> ubottu: have you ever had bluetooth problem with ubuntu 11.10
[05:58] <DarkLinux_7> trap24: might*
[05:58] <kanhiya> ubottu: help
[05:59] <skyball> hardware settings for the joysticks?  whats that?  I go into Options > Controls and see Keyboard and whatever joystick I have plugged in.  I can double-click it and assign buttons, but the game will not play in anything but keyboard controls it behaves.
[05:59] <kanhiya> BLUETOOTH PROBLEM
[06:00] <kanhiya> Help community
[06:00] <kanhiya> :)
[06:00] <grendal-prime> oh also drobos blow (just something else i was trying to integrate into our servers this last week)
[06:00] <trap24> DarkLinux_7: SolarisBoy it worked --fix-missing :)
[06:01] <trap24> saved like 1.5hrs
[06:01] <yagoo> A|i3N, no. Because your oil mostly from us.. otherwise you're back to horse and wagon.
[06:01] <yagoo> A|i3N, our oil ain't free. :p