[00:02] <x4i> I am trying to install virtualmin on Ubuntu 16.10 using official virtualmin install script. It crashes because it cannot find php5. php7 is the new standard, anyone has an advice how to install virtualmin?
[00:04] <reisio> if it wants php5, I wouldn't
[00:04] <reisio> also, I wouldn't
[00:04] <reisio> also, I wouldn't install php
[00:05] <YankDownUnder> x4i: Have you asked in the #virtualmin channel yet?
[00:05] <reisio> there isn't webui like that that I'm aware of that isn't a massive security hole
[00:05] <x4i> i am a simple man, i want to make some money setting up wordpress for people. i cant hope to make it with python/go/node
[00:05] <reisio> yeah wordpress, also very problematic vis-a-vis security :p
[00:05] <Gamemako> ... is that a joke?
[00:05] <Gamemako> You can make the same dumb mistakes with any language.
[00:06] <reisio> you really can't
[00:06] <reisio> x4i: what version of virtualmin?
[00:06] <x4i> reisio, the latest - whatever their script is downloading
[00:07] <x4i> 5 smth i think
[00:07] <YankDownUnder> x4i: From the standpoint of "doing business", would it not be a more practical "base" to make use of 16.04 and then build from there up...?
[00:07] <reisio> okay, which version is that?
[00:07] <x4i> 5 i'd say
[00:07] <reisio> YankDownUnder: you could make that argument, but it wouldn't really be, no
[00:07] <linux_user> back
[00:07] <x4i> YankDownUnder, i was hoping php7 will make everything feel snappier so clients wil llike it more
[00:07] <linux_user> ducasse: I was wondering about my question early about btrfs and booting
[00:08] <reisio> x4i: clients have no barometer for that anyway :p certainly not php clients
[00:08] <reisio> but you'll still be able to say "omfg we have version 7!"
[00:08] <linux_user> ducasse: I was wondering about my question early about btrfs and booting, how does full disk encryption fold into using btrfs? Does btrfs do encryption? what about using LVM?
[00:08] <x4i> reisio, people like faster sites, whether they are aware of that or not
[00:09] <reisio> whether they are aware of whether they're faster or not, even, heh
[00:09] <x4i> you cant miss the load time
[00:09] <reisio> sure you can
[00:10] <Gamemako> Let's hear it for nonsense semantical arguments.
[00:10] <reisio> x4i: https://www.virtualmin.com/node/39609
[00:11] <reisio> Gamemako: and statements that make clear the ignorance of the definition of 'semantical' :D
[00:11] <linux_user> actually I do not believe 'semantic' takes the form 'semantical' I am reasonably sure it is grammatically incorrect.
[00:11] <Gamemako> Quite possible. Let's see what m-w says.
[00:12] <linux_user> yes...
[00:12] <linux_user> or Oxford
[00:12] <reisio> heh
[00:12] <Gamemako> M-W says semantical is a variant of semantic
[00:12] <Gamemako> What's OED say?
[00:12] <reisio> and what does it say 'semantic' means?
[00:13] <Gamemako> :  of or relating to meaning in language
[00:13] <reisio> so when you said 'nonsense semantical', what did you say?
[00:13] <reisio> :D
[00:13] <Gamemako> nonsense modifies argument
[00:14] <reisio> yes it does
[00:14] <Gamemako> argument relating to semantics
[00:14] <reisio> which is the problem
[00:14] <reisio> you said nonsense meaningfulness :p
[00:14] <linux_user> so you meant nonsense arguments of a semantic nature?
[00:14] <Gamemako> nonsense argument + semantics argument = nonsense semantic argument
[00:14] <reisio> oh okay
[00:14] <reisio> you just needed a comma
[00:14] <linux_user> but you said semantical not semantic argument
[00:14] <linux_user> there is the rub!
[00:14] <reisio> gotcha
[00:14] <linux_user> he got it right now
[00:14] <Gamemako> lol linux_user :)
[00:14] <reisio> :p
[00:15] <reisio> you gotta be on your game to use silly words like semantic :p
[00:15] <linux_user> bother parents had Masters Degrees in Education and were certified English teachers, not my fault man...I was raised that way!
[00:15] <linux_user> and yes, I do say things like: It is I and are these they?
[00:15] <linux_user> bother=both
[00:16] <Gamemako> Heh, this is what I get for spending too much time with engineers
[00:16]  * reisio eats, shoots & leaves
[00:16] <Gamemako> I once had an engineering prof who couldn't spell to save his life
[00:17] <reisio> that's the only kind of engineering prof
[00:17] <YankDownUnder> Gosh I'm grateful that I prefer to stick with "old, tried, true and tested" things...vastly more beneficial to overall longterm reputation...IMHO and experience...but I digress...
[00:17] <Gamemako> Hm, is there any disavantage to leaving a bunch of inactive entries in efibootmgr?
[00:18] <linux_user> If they are ones that could potentially boot windows then yes, there are! :_
[00:19] <linux_user> :)
[00:20] <Gamemako> I bet this would be a heck of a lot easier if I didn't want to keep Windows, even knowing that I won't use it
[00:20] <reisio> :p
[00:21] <Gamemako> I set all the nonsense entries with all the extra periods as inactive and created a new, should-be-valid entry as the first in my boot order
[00:21] <Gamemako> Either it works, or I'm going to have a really bad time next time I boot
[00:22] <x4i> reisio, thank you
[00:23] <reisio> get it workin'?
[00:24] <Gamemako> Hrm.... it says \EFI\redhat\grub.efi
[00:24] <linux_user> Comes now; a request to all present in the channel to comment upon the usage of btrfs for a root partition as conflated with the idea of full disk encryption the layering of LVM as well?
[00:24] <linux_user> the layering=and the layering
[00:26]  * fat_jedi on dumb mode on
[00:31] <cosmoz> hi
[00:31] <stiltzkin> Hi - can anyone here help with software RAID / mdraid
[00:32] <cosmoz> i need some help myself so sorry stiltzkin
[00:32] <cosmoz> new to linux
[00:32] <Gamemako> Well, time to blow this up and see where it fails. Wheeee
[00:35] <stiltzkin> I recently grew a RAID6 array from 4 disks to 6 disks, then grew the filesystem (xfs_growfs), then rebooted, and now I'm getting this: http://pastebin.com/cuqJTbF1
[00:35] <stiltzkin> this doesn't seem good
[00:36] <stiltzkin> Array is showing as inactive and all disks as spares: http://pastebin.com/LVExmRap
[00:36] <cosmoz> stiltzkin: since it seems we are the only two on here maybe you can answer  my question since I can't yours ;/
[00:36] <stiltzkin> sure go ahead
[00:36] <cosmoz> *answer
[00:36] <k1l> cosmoz: just ask, there are other people here, too
[00:37] <cosmoz> okay i'm partitioning my windows xp install to make it ready for dual boot
[00:37] <fat_jedi> stiltzkin, this seems sacary, but theres only one repetaed error
[00:37] <cosmoz> using gparted, it said it will move my C drive partition to the right
[00:37] <k1l> windows xp is outdated and should not be used anymore, but go ahead
[00:37] <fat_jedi> scary
[00:37] <cosmoz> will moving it to the right cause problems?
[00:37] <cosmoz> the free space will be on the left now, so does that mean it will try to boot first
[00:38] <cosmoz> also it says it will take 3+ hours
[00:38] <k1l> cosmoz: yes. because it will change the numbering/naming of the partition. so windows will maybe not work or have issues.
[00:38] <stiltzkin> fat_jedi, sure but I wasn't expecting any errors. The array successfully reshaped to the proper size with the right number of disks, and now I'm only seeing 4 disks and this error
[00:38] <stiltzkin> It took about 18 hours to reshape
[00:38] <Gamemako> Hm.
[00:38] <cosmoz> k1l: anything i can do?
[00:38] <k1l> cosmoz: usually, you resize and make the unused space on the right side
[00:39] <cosmoz> that is what I thought was going to happen
[00:39] <cosmoz> anyway to move the unused space?
[00:40] <k1l> creating new partitions on the left side will change the numbering. that is the issue
[00:40] <stiltzkin> grub should detect where windows is installed regardless
[00:40] <stiltzkin> it shouldn't matter if it's in the first or second logical partition
[00:40] <k1l> cosmoz: yes, you can move the partition to the right again. but that is doubled work instead of making it proper on the first run,
[00:40] <cosmoz> ooh okay thanks stiltzkin
[00:40] <k1l> stiltzkin: its windows itself what makes issues out of that
[00:41] <cosmoz> its in the process of moving the partition right now sadly
[00:41] <cosmoz> i'm fine with the extra time/work as this is an older pc
[00:41] <cosmoz> just not sure how to fix it
[00:42] <cosmoz> and i wont know the damage for 3 hours
[00:42] <Gamemako> Well, efibootmgr changes are gone by next boot. I must be missing something in this process. update_grub didn't do it.
[00:42] <k1l> cosmoz: on gparted you can move the partitions. so move that smaller windows partition to the left then
[00:45] <cosmoz> currently it says i have the following partitions: /dev/sda1 - fat16 - 54.88MiB, unallocated - 259.09Mib, /dev/sda2/ - ntfs 254.08GiB - boot - (this is being moved I think), unallocated - 39.06Gib, /dev/sda3 - 4.64Gib
[00:46] <cosmoz> gparted reads - Move /dev/sda2 to the right and shrink it from 293.39 Gib to 254.08GiB
[00:47] <cosmoz> please advise k1l on what to do after Gparted finishes this part
[00:47] <cosmoz> k1l: ^
[00:47] <k1l> what is the endgoal?
[00:47] <reisio> I wouldn't think moving to the right would necessarily change the partition number, but I don't use gparted much
[00:47] <linux_user> its a large thing that you a kick a ball between
[00:47] <cosmoz> to install linux on the unallocated space, keep windows xp and have dual boot
[00:48] <k1l> reisio: not as long as you dont create new partitions on the new spot to the left, right
[00:48] <cosmoz> eventually i'll delete windows xp after I test out linux
[00:48]  * linux_user says windows xp is worthless and devoid of support, extirpate it!
[00:48] <cosmoz> that is the plan but wanted to make sure things functioned
[00:49] <k1l> cosmoz: again: you can move partitions. so shove the partition of windows to the left again. and do it with all other patitions, so all the unallocated space is grouped at the right
[00:49] <cosmoz> again new to linux so figured i'd test it and the instructions for dual boot seemed easy enough when i started
[00:49] <linux_user> that is what a live CD/DVD is for
[00:49] <cosmoz> okay thanks k1l
[00:50] <cosmoz> i'll try that
[00:50] <cosmoz> how exactly do i do that with gparted
[00:50] <k1l> partition settings -> move
[00:50] <cosmoz> heh didn't know it was so easy
[00:50] <cosmoz> i only thought there was a resize/move option
[00:53] <stiltzkin> Well, I think all of my data has been destroyed.
[00:54] <stiltzkin> Note to self in the future, unless all partitions are removed from drives before adding them to a RAID array, your data silently gets destroyed on reboot
[00:55] <cosmoz> do you have a backup stiltzkin
[00:55] <stiltzkin> No way to backup 9TB of data
[00:56] <stiltzkin> I can rebuild most of it, it will just take months
[01:01] <cosmoz> damn that is a shit ton of data
[01:02] <royal_screwup21> I want to delete all files starting with the letter 't'. What should I put after "rm"?
[01:04] <Ben64> t*
[01:05] <stiltzkin> I get the sense that it might be possible to recover from this but I really need someone who knows mdraid
[01:06] <dysoco> Guys where can I check why does Ubuntu 16.10 keep crashing randomly? It's been twice in like 1h of using it, what kind of log do I need to look at?
[01:06] <dysoco> It randomly freezes and I have to hard reset the PC
[01:06] <stiltzkin> I think the problem is that the kernel is seeing the plain XFS partitions on the drives that I added to the array before it's seeing that they are also array members, so they do not get picked up by mdraid and the array goes inactive
[01:06] <Ben64> dysoco: check all the logs
[01:08] <dysoco> no idea what it can be though
[01:08] <dysoco> I'm guessing Nouveau
[01:08] <Ben64> dysoco: usually it's because of a hardware problem
[01:11] <dysoco> Ben64, Alright it happened again but I can pinpoint it now
[01:11] <dysoco> it's either Chrome or Youtube, because I reopened my Chrome tabs and it crashed again
[01:11] <dysoco> so I'll open Chrome and NOT open Youtube now and check it
[01:12] <dysoco> apparently I need the NVidia drivers, it's a problem with html5 playback and Nouveau
[01:16] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
[01:20] <zhangyankun> 这是什么？
[01:21] <bazhang> !cn | zhangyankun
[01:32] <Mobius164> Time for a noob question?
[01:34] <Mobius164> I have an SSD on my desktop right now (NOT my main drive, just using it for some steam games and some other random files). Would I be ok to take that out and use it for another computer (assuming it was wiped and formatted properly)?
[01:34] <k1l> Mobius164: i dont see a reason why not.
[01:34] <bazhang> Mobius164, does ubuntu relate to this somehow
[01:35] <Mobius164> yeah, i plan on formatting and installing ubuntu on the new pc.
[01:36] <bazhang> Mobius164, it's fine to do
[01:36] <Mobius164> thanks! just wanted to make sure. i'll see y'all in a bit.
[01:42] <maximiliano> hello guys, I am running 16.04. For a while I was able to mount my windows partition and make links to the favourite folders. However, a couple of weeks ago I noticed my links to these folders didn't work. The /media/ folder shows the windows partition drive multiple times with a different number at the end. Also, when I remove a USB drive or a external HD it tells me that it was mounted by...
[01:42] <maximiliano> ...a different user and I need to enter password to be able to remove them. I suspect this is relevant. What am I doing wrong? what could have changed in the past couple of weeks for this to happen?
[01:46] <cfhowlett> !ping
[01:58] <uxfi> good evening...
[02:00] <stiltzkin> Still looking for RAID help if anyone is available and knowledgeable on the subject
[02:02] <cfhowlett> !ping
[02:03] <cfhowlett> ask your ubuntu question uxfi
[02:12] <cfhowlett> !raid
[02:13] <stiltzkin> I appreciate that but I've got a more specific question than that
[02:13] <stiltzkin> I think I'm making progress, the array now shows as degraded raid6 with two removed drives
[02:14] <stiltzkin> I just need to know how to re-add those drives, should I do mdadm --add?
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[02:15] <wagle> tx
[02:15] <Nilesh_> thanks
[02:16] <twenty-three> hello guys, I am running 16.04. For a while I was able to mount my windows partition and make links to the favourite folders. However, a couple of weeks ago I noticed my links to these folders didn't work. The /media/ folder shows the windows partition drive multiple times with a different number at the end. Also, when I remove a USB drive or a external HD it tells me that it was mounted by...
[02:16] <twenty-three> ...a different user and I need to enter password to be able to remove them. I suspect this is relevant. What am I doing wrong? what could have changed in the past couple of weeks for this to happen?
[02:16] <cfhowlett> !ops | mike 18
[02:17] <fooperman> cfhowlett: Dude, he's already been killed.
[02:17] <summakor_> Windows 10 "shutdown" is now actually Hibernate, and leaves some disk partitions as 'mounted' and you may need to be sudo on Linux to mount them.
[02:17] <cfhowlett> I was too slow.  thank you!
[02:17] <k1l> cfhowlett: sigyn, the freenode anti spam bot, took already care of it.
[02:17] <cfhowlett> yeah, my connection seems to lag badly today.
[02:17] <summakor_> I had to change Windows 10 settings so Shutdown is really Shutdown, then mounting the partitions under Linux was fine.
[02:20] <twenty-three> summakor, thanks. However, I am running windows 7.  Wish you all have a great DAY !!!
[03:05] <poco_>  I'm installing Kubuntu on an SSD and HDD. I want the SSD for boot and some other frquently used programs and the HDD for everything else. I was thinking of making the SSD root and the HDD /home but then apps like Steam, Wine, Spotify, etc will install to a "/." directory, correct? Will I have to manually change all of these? Is there any easier way?
[03:07] <erc7erc7> hola a todo el mundo
[03:08] <erc7erc7> hola
[03:08] <erc7erc7> hola
[03:08] <unknown_> sup peeps
[03:12] <uberalex88> hello
[03:15] <benguitar> Hello everyone, quick question for those of you using Ubuntu on a laptop. What laptop do you recommend? I'm currently looking at Chromebooks (Acer Chromebook 14) but I was wondering what you guys use. Not looking to drop a ton of money nor do I need a ton of horsepower.
[03:17] <uberalex88> Lenovo thinkpads are pretty good.
[03:17] <cfhowlett> benguitar, make an ubuntu USB, go to your computer store, boot said USB and test for yoursef
[03:17] <benguitar> Cool, any one in particular?
[03:18] <benguitar> cfhowlett, lol I never thought of that.. What a neat idea..
[03:18] <uberalex88> well if you want a good supported laptop for gaming you can look at the Lenovo campatiblity list on Ubuntu's website
[03:19] <benguitar> Not really for gaming, just browsing and spread sheet stuff, possibly minor audio recording with ardour or bitwig, and nothing more than gimp for photo editing.
[03:20] <unknown_> i was always more of buy the hardware you like it first
[03:20] <unknown_> and make it all work afterwards
[03:20] <unknown_> pretty much anything tehse days will runf ine on linux
[03:20] <benguitar> unknown_, that is what I figured.
[03:20] <uberalex88> well in that case, you can get a chromebook and load it or if you dont like chrome books, any low end dell or lenovo works pretty good in my experience
[03:20] <benguitar> but I just wanted to be cautious
[03:21] <unknown_> why buy supar or compromise on hardware just because
[03:21] <unknown_> also
[03:21] <unknown_> you never know when you will actually want to use the hardware as it was intended on windows anyway
[03:21] <unknown_> so its good to have that option too
[03:21] <benguitar> True.
[03:21] <unknown_> and dont forget everything can be virtualized now
[03:21] <unknown_> dotn worry abotu support
[03:22] <unknown_> i certainly wouldnt
[03:22] <unknown_> linux certified hardware is more for stuff like peripherals or add ons
[03:22] <unknown_> and even then
[03:23] <Mr1NK> i used hp 14 Gxxxx and installed 2 distro
[03:23] <unknown_> and if something doesnt work as good unde rlinux
[03:23] <unknown_> virtualization or native which is basicalyl the sane thing
[03:24] <unknown_> get something you can passthru hardware
[03:24] <unknown_> and have tons of RAM
[03:25] <benguitar> unknown_, cool. I'm browsing Dell and Lenovo now
[03:25] <unknown_> those chrome books are cool because theyre affordable come preinstalled with "linux" and seems to have a good balance of hardware and cost
[03:26] <unknown_> if i bought a cheap laptop to carry around for fund id def look at chromes
[03:26] <unknown_> benguitar, yeah do this
[03:27] <unknown_> find good hardware that has good reputation/reviews
[03:27] <benguitar> unknown_, yeah I'm looking at Lenovo's thinkpad 13 chromebook, and other models as well
[03:27] <unknown_> narrow it down to 2 or 3
[03:27] <unknown_> then finalyl look up about people running it with linux
[03:27] <unknown_> if the hardware is good
[03:27] <unknown_> thats a reason for better support including linux
[03:30] <unknown_> cool
[03:30] <Breadchump> hey dax :)
[03:31] <elky> Breadchump: don't start here.
[03:31] <Breadchump> elky i understand youre married to the guy and all, but really, its between us
[03:31] <elky> not on my watch in my channel
[03:32] <Breadchump> oh so you want to play, huh? dont do that because i will take your mind and i will break it. ask your friend metaleer/bremstrahlung that
[03:33] <Breadchump> what are the best alternatives to wubi?
[03:33] <Breadchump> i heard its not recommended anymore
[03:35] <unknown_> lolwut?
[03:38]  * Breadchump laughs
[03:41] <Breadchump> themill what gives bro
[03:41] <Breadchump> themill why the quiet in #debian
[03:42] <k1l> Breadchump: this channel is for technical ubuntu support only. please dont bring issues from outside this channel into here. thanks.
[03:44]  * SierraKomodo really needs to update that script to only notify her of kicks in channels she's actually an op in..
[03:44] <benguitar> unknown_, I may have also just discovered system76.. Now that is kinda cool, definitely in a separate category from Chromebooks but pretty cool
[03:55] <jaythelinuxguy_> System76 is great, I have three machines from them.
[03:56] <benguitar> jaythelinuxguy_, Nice, elaborate?
[03:57] <unknown_> le tme look
[03:58] <jaythelinuxguy_> Elaborate as far as which machines?
[03:58] <benguitar> jaythelinuxguy_, yes and pros/cons and so on.
[03:59] <unknown_> Personally
[03:59] <jaythelinuxguy_> I have the Lemur, Ratel Pro, and Meerkat. Pro's are that they are very stable, and I'm not paying for Microsoft software I'll never use. Another pro is that the build quality is nice. The only cons are that while the build quality of my Lemur is really good, it's not necessarily Thinkpad tough. The keyboard is really good, but not Thinkpad good.
[03:59] <unknown_> i wouldnt buy something like that just for the linux support
[04:00] <jaythelinuxguy_> Thanks unknown, I don't know why I forgot to mention that. The Linux support is of course really good. It takes the guess work out of whether or not the machine will work with Linux.
[04:00] <unknown_> benguitar, you could always buy both and spend some time with them, sometimes nothing better than just having it in your hands
[04:01] <unknown_> jaythelinuxguy_, honestly i have never met a machine that "didnt work" with linux
[04:01] <jaythelinuxguy_> unknown, I've run into countless machines that have any issue with Linux.
[04:01] <unknown_> which can be fixed
[04:01] <jaythelinuxguy_> Since switching to System76, everything is easier.
[04:01] <unknown_> always a fix
[04:01] <unknown_> 90% of the time anyway
[04:02] <jaythelinuxguy_> You're right, but sometimes the fix is driver related, and I'm not a developer.
[04:02] <unknown_> yeah
[04:02] <jaythelinuxguy_> Actually, most of the time the fix is driver related.
[04:02] <unknown_> i udnerstand what youre saying
[04:02] <benguitar> jaythelinuxguy_, good to know.
[04:02] <unknown_> my logic is
[04:02] <unknown_> if youre running linux
[04:02] <unknown_> youre not the average joe
[04:02] <unknown_> either way
[04:02] <jaythelinuxguy_> In my case, I've switched a lot of "Average Joe's" to Linux.
[04:02] <jaythelinuxguy_> So I don't necessarily think of it that way.
[04:03] <unknown_> youre probbaly the guy that likes to tinker with things
[04:03] <jaythelinuxguy_> The way I think of it, is that my machines are very important to getting a pay check. It just has to work.
[04:03] <unknown_> otherwise why not just buy a mac
[04:03] <benguitar> unknown_, lol this is also tru
[04:03] <benguitar> true*
[04:03] <jaythelinuxguy_> Mac's are great, but I won't consider a closed-source OS.
[04:03] <unknown_> then youre back to idealogy
[04:03] <unknown_> lol
[04:04] <jaythelinuxguy_> I do understand that there's no getting around to some things, here and there. But the OS? Must be open source.
[04:04] <unknown_> the irony of it is that
[04:04] <benguitar> jaythelinuxguy_, I used to work for the fruit stand, and I'm selling one of my Macs for the Chromebook, system76 world due to the severe lack of power needed to do basic crap
[04:04] <jaythelinuxguy_> The Mac hardware is great, no denying that. But their biggest problem is that you can never really depend on when a new model is released, and Mac hardware stagnates almost as bad as Debian stable.
[04:05] <unknown_> you still have to use proprietary software to get by on linux
[04:05] <wiki_> rubyonrails
[04:05] <jaythelinuxguy_> Other than the firmware in the motherboard, that's not always true.
[04:05] <unknown_> are you saying you do not use any proprieary closed soruce software or drivers?
[04:05] <jaythelinuxguy_> But I do agree, that there are some proprietary requirements here and there.
[04:05] <jaythelinuxguy_> I am saying that I try my best not to.
[04:06] <jaythelinuxguy_> My motto is this: I consider open-source first. If, and only if, there is no open-source equivelant, I'll consider closed.
[04:06] <unknown_> yeah
[04:06] <jaythelinuxguy_> Since operating systems have many open-source options, there's never a reason for me to consider a closed-source OS.
[04:06] <unknown_> my point is why suffer with subpar hardware just because of ideology
[04:07] <unknown_> i totally get you tho
[04:07] <jaythelinuxguy_> I don't suffer with subpar hardware, though. My hardware is great.
[04:12] <pressure679> Why doesn't tlp load on startup in 16.04.1 as it did in 14.04.x? What is wrong with me?
[04:12] <jaythelinuxguy_> What does this show: systemctl status -l tlp.service
[04:13] <pressure679> Oh, we use syatemctl now instead of service >.<
[04:13] <jaythelinuxguy_> Assuming you're runing a recent version, yes.
[04:13] <jaythelinuxguy_> 14.04 doesn't use systemctl, if I recall properly.
[04:15] <pressure679> Thanks for the clarification :)
[04:15] <jaythelinuxguy_> No problem
[04:17] <poco_> just installed Kubuntu, at first could get to login page but then monitor would just flash colors. Then I tried what this guy suggested http://neogregious.blogspot.com/2013/05/korean-ips-monitors-and-nvidia-under.html and now I can only get to the command line on boot- not login page or desktop
[04:18] <poco_> right as it looks like it's about to throw me onto the login screen I see a flash of green lines, the Kubuntu 16.04 splash and then black :(
[04:18] <jaythelinuxguy_> Did your screen ever work properly?
[04:19] <poco_> it works fine with Windows, the Kubuntu install, and I'm getting the same results on two different monitors with different input types
[04:19] <jaythelinuxguy_> I may be wrong, but I don't think that link you posted has anything to do with your issue.
[04:19] <jaythelinuxguy_> I would assume your login screen wouldn't work either if it were an EDID issue.
[04:20] <jaythelinuxguy_> Did the screen in Kubuntu work before you installed the closed-source nvidia driver?
[04:20] <poco_> yeah I did have a login screen before but that was only once
[04:20] <poco_> no, only the login page the very first time I installed Kubuntu
[04:20] <jaythelinuxguy_> Did you at any point install the binary nvidia driver? Or did you never get that far?
[04:20] <kn_> Is there any terminals that exist that display ansi art now a days?
[04:21] <poco_> yes
[04:21] <poco_> after serveral times, I installed nvidia-current
[04:21] <poco_> I can access the terminal with alt-cntrl+(1-6) just fine if that's what you're asking
[04:21] <jaythelinuxguy_> Did you get a desktop interface in the live cd before installing Kubuntu?
[04:21] <poco_> yes
[04:22] <kn_> Is there any terminals that exist that display ansi art now a days?
[04:22] <poco_> I don't understand the question sorry
[04:22] <jaythelinuxguy_> Just for kicks, perhaps install openbox and select that as your desktop on the login screen, and see if that works? That will tell you if the issue is KDE or driver-related
[04:23] <jaythelinuxguy_> sudo apt-get install openbox
[04:23] <poco_> I can't get to the login screen anymore
[04:23] <jaythelinuxguy_> Right, but you get a terminal, right?
[04:23] <poco_> upon boot off the grub it just goes black
[04:23] <poco_> yes
[04:24] <poco_> ah just run openbox?
[04:24] <jaythelinuxguy_> Do you still see the KDE login screen?
[04:24] <poco_> just a terminal login screen
[04:24] <jaythelinuxguy_> Right, I'm not saying use Openbox as your main desktop, but it's a small package to install just to test
[04:24] <jaythelinuxguy_> But if you don't have the KDE login screen working, you won't be able to select Openbox. You'd have to do some configuration to xinitrc and that's a pain
[04:25] <poco_> ran "sudo openbox" and got "Failed to open the display from the DISPLAY enviornment variable"
[04:25] <jaythelinuxguy_> Don't run sudo openbox, try just openbox
[04:25] <jaythelinuxguy_> Normally, you would use the startx command
[04:25] <poco_> same error
[04:25] <jaythelinuxguy_> The startx command starts the display server
[04:26] <poco_> ran startx, aaaaand I have.... something?
[04:26] <poco_> hold on
[04:27] <jaythelinuxguy_> If it's Openbox, you'll have a right-click menu
[04:27] <poco_> alright I have a black screen, three dialog boxes from Plas,a saying "Plasma closed unexpectedly" deatils: "Executable: plasmashell PID: 2235 Signal: segmantation fault (11) Time: 1/8/17 22:26:03
[04:28] <poco_> ah the three dialog boxes are for PID 2433, 2015, and 2235 respectively
[04:28] <jaythelinuxguy_> Have you run a memory test lately?
[04:29] <poco_> I have not
[04:29] <jaythelinuxguy_> Segmentation faults are usually either caused by memory issues, or software bugs.
[04:29] <poco_> I've been using this computer for years with Win 10 and tonight just wiped Windows and decided to dual boot
[04:29] <poco_> should I run a memtest from grub?
[04:30] <jaythelinuxguy_> Yes. Keep in mind that Windows is (sometimes) more tolerant to memory issues than Linux is.
[04:30] <poco_> interesting
[04:30] <jaythelinuxguy_> Let memtest run for about ten minutes or so. The test just restarts when it finishes. If you survive ten minutes with no errors, your memory is most likely fine
[04:30] <poco_> thanks jaythelinuxguy_ I'll report back
[04:31] <jaythelinuxguy_> Cool, good luck
[04:37] <sabrehagen> i'm on xubuntu 16.04. i have three monitors. sometimes two of my monitors don't power back on after the computer sleeps. i can force them back on via xrandr though https://gist.github.com/sabrehagen/66da13e33820788270015305d8a385f9
[04:37] <sabrehagen> is there somewhere i can view the 'monitor' logs to look for any error messages?
[04:43] <poco_> jaythelinuxguy_, memtest ran for 10 min showing no signs of errors. Do you think another install can help?
[04:44] <jaythelinuxguy_> It can help but I don't think it will necessarily isolate the issue, unless you try a different flavor with a different desktop other than KDE
[04:44] <poco_> hmm any other ideas at this point? any way or reinstalling drivers maybe?
[04:45] <jaythelinuxguy_> Perhaps try Ubuntu GNOME or Ubuntu MATE, just to see if you run into the same issues?
[04:45] <Doc-Saintly> I'm running an ubuntu VM (virtualbox). I'm having issues with the networking. I see the Ethernet controller under LSPCI, but ifconfig isn't showing any connections for it. How can I fix this?
[04:46] <poco_> ok I'll try it tomorrow. I really appreciate the help
[04:46] <jaythelinuxguy_> No problem
[04:49] <Capprentice> I have added the directive - listen-address <IP_ADDRESS> ,1x.4x.8x.4, I want to disable AAAAAA responses.What to do?
[04:50] <Kristof_HT> hey, good evening - anybody here using sublime text under linux who managed to make it work with hsdev
[04:54] <rcmainak> hello! I want to move a steam game from one computer to another computer & play the game in the later computer. Can anyone help?
[04:56] <jack> When I upgraded to 16.04 I keep getting error msg, so now I am going to reinstall and I am thinking on using mint
[05:00] <Kristof_HT> I'm having hard time adding my custom bin pat to PATH
[05:00] <Ben64> Kristof_HT: easy mode is to use ~/bin
[05:01] <Kristof_HT> i have my bins here: /home/kristof/.cabal/bin
[05:01] <Kristof_HT> so I edited /.profile to include
[05:01] <Kristof_HT> PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH:/home/kristof/.cabal/bin:"
[05:01] <Kristof_HT> and it still doesn't work
[05:03] <brophat> I upgraded to 16.04 and I keep getting error msgs, I am going to reinstall, should I use mint instead?
[05:04] <Ben64> Kristof_HT: reboot
[05:06] <Kristof_HT> Ben64, i already did,
[05:06] <Kristof_HT> tried to run ~/.profile, tried rebooting
[05:07] <Ben64> so whats wrong with ~/bin
[05:07] <digital_ghost> hey diodon is not working properly. what is an alternative for diodon clipboard manager
[05:08] <Kristof_HT> Ben64 all i know is that the software i installed loaded it's bins to home/user/.cabal/bin
[05:09] <Kristof_HT> so trying to set path there
[05:09] <Ben64> Kristof_HT: so move it to ~/bin ....
[05:11] <psyrus> does anyone know how to record streams with audacious?
[05:12] <psyrus> i click on the record stream and it puts a checkmark  there but i dont see anyhting happening
[05:12] <psyrus> oh wait i see it now
[05:12] <psyrus> lol
[05:12] <psyrus> thanks guys im stupid
[05:13] <xangua> !doesntwork | digital_ghost
[05:27] <KagomeShuko> Does anybody know the name of the debian program for installing software packages on Ubuntu?
[05:28] <k1l> KagomeShuko: apt or dpkg?
[05:29] <k1l> KagomeShuko: or do you mean a gui program?
[05:29] <KagomeShuko> not sure  . . . sister is helping me
[05:29] <KagomeShuko> trying to set up software
[05:29] <KagomeShuko> have no idea what to do if I find files on SourceForge
[05:30] <k1l> ubuntu comes with "software-center" on the desktop.
[05:30] <KagomeShuko> yes, I have that
[05:30] <k1l> KagomeShuko: you should first look out if that software is not already shipped in the ubuntu repos.
[05:30] <KagomeShuko> but it doesn't have all the programs that I once had on earlier version of Ubuntu before
[05:30] <unknown_> jaythelinuxguy_ I apologize, maybe subpar maybe not the correct word i was looking for, i should mention english is not my primary language. It's great the hardware is worth what yore paying for.
[05:31] <kayta> Hey guys, does anyone know if oracle-java8-installer in ubuntu comes with javafx?
[05:31] <k1l> some projects get dropped if the projects arent active anymore. so what programs do you want KagomeShuko ?
[05:31] <Ben64> kayta: oracle java isn't in ubuntu so we don't know
[05:32] <Mr-Frog_> I'm having trouble with connecting to a CUPS print server.
[05:32] <Mr-Frog_> I can connect to one via the GUI and print a test page, but when I close the GUI it automatically disconnects and switches back to usb
[05:34] <KagomeShuko> kll  I found one and I don't remember all the names right now
[05:34] <KagomeShuko> I found Synaptic
[05:34] <KagomeShuko> should I get Muon, too?
[05:34] <rcmainak> hello! I want to move a steam game from one computer to another computer & play the game in the later computer. Can anyone help?
[05:35] <k1l> KagomeShuko: muon is a KDE program. if you dont use kde that doesnt make sense.
[05:35] <k1l> KagomeShuko: and synaptic sees the same packages as the software center. so that is not helping if you dont know the name neither.
[05:39] <kayta> Ben64 That's true, can you direct me where I might get help on this matter?
[05:44]  * cuddle waves
[05:44] <Ben64> kayta: wherever you're finding the oracle package
[05:45] <kayta> Ben64 I added a repository webup8team/java
[05:59] <lolcat> Hello
[05:59] <lolcat> my zpool wont expand
[05:59] <lolcat> what to do?
[06:13] <cedriczg> Hi there!
[06:14] <cedriczg> It may be a too specific issue but I am trying to connect my iphone to my elementary OS. I followed the steps under https://gist.github.com/samrocketman/70dff6ebb18004fc37dc5e33c259a0fc . However I am getting following error now: Failed to connect to lockdownd service on the device.
[06:14] <reisio> cedriczg: for what purpose, exactly?
[06:15] <cedriczg> reisio, to be able to see my iphone contents in order to perform a backup of photos
[06:15] <cedriczg> reisio, after I updated to iOS 10 on my iphone my PC is not able to open the phone contents
[06:16] <reisio> I would do that wirelessly, via an ssh/sftp client
[06:16] <reisio> mobile phones are simply not properly QA'd for direct connections
[06:17] <reisio> and in the case of apple, honestly they're probably even further on purpose goofy about it
[06:17] <cedriczg> reisio, Well I would like to know how to do that indeed
[06:17] <pressure679> I wonder how long my laptop will hold running everything in powersavings mode with tlp
[06:20] <reisio> cedriczg: openssh-server on Ubuntu
[06:20] <reisio> cedriczg: ssh/sftp client on iPhone
[06:20] <reisio> cedriczg: wireless router in the middle
[06:20] <reisio> you could use bluetooth, too, but that's trickier
[06:21] <cipher6> Evening guys and gals, tatertots: around?
[06:22] <unknown_> cedriczg, i have a simple fail proof solutionf or you
[06:22] <cipher6> tatertots: If you're not busy this is mcafeemedia from last night
[06:22] <cedriczg> unknown_, Hi there.  I have an old Windows Vista running and installed iTunes there. But still don't find the way to perform a simple task: copy my photos and videos to a backup drive
[06:25] <unknown_> pretty sure under windows ipones just show a mounted folder with your pictures and videos
[06:25] <unknown_> iphones*
[06:25] <unknown_> isnt that still the case with ios?
[06:25] <cedriczg> unknown_, Actually I would prefer to be able to do this from my linux as I backup using Shotwell which I believe rocks
[06:26] <Ben64> cedriczg: you said you're on elementary though?
[06:26] <tatertots> cipher6: hi thre
[06:26] <cipher6> tatertots: you got time for a new one?
[06:26] <unknown_> cedriczg, thats fine but its really not that more complicated, it does get the job done. You can streamline it if you had to.
[06:27] <tatertots> cipher6: what ya got
[06:27] <cipher6> tatertots: Wife's phone plugged in to my ubutnu1604 laptop, pops up in the unity doc, I can browse all the files in nautilus.
[06:28] <cipher6> tatertots: wanna use rsync to back up all her photos across the netwrok to my other ubuntu machine (also 1604)
[06:28] <reisio> cipher6: run 'mount'
[06:28] <unknown_> cedriczg, also why plug in at all, might as well transfer them wirelessly
[06:28] <unknown_> i really dont know, i dont do apple crap anymore
[06:28] <cipher6> tatertots: however, I can't get my terminal to let me browse (ls) the phone, lsusb shows the phone on bus 1,5 etc
[06:28] <reisio> already told him that
[06:28] <pressure679> Or plug in the sd card
[06:28] <unknown_> for those reasons included
[06:29] <cipher6> reisio: mount just shows me a list of things, lsblk // ls don't show the device. lsusb, shows the device but I cna't browse it in term
[06:29] <tatertots> cipher6: are you using the computer that can browse all the files in nautilus?
[06:29] <pressure679> - if iPhones have sd cards
[06:29] <reisio> cipher6: right, relevant things =)
[06:29] <reisio> cipher6: you see a name for your phone on the left side of nautilus?
[06:30] <cipher6> tatertots: yeah, I'm on the laptop and can browse all files
[06:30] <unknown_> iphones have those stupid external pend rives dont they now
[06:30] <cipher6> reisio: Yeah, there's a phone icon in the unity dock
[06:30] <tatertots> cipher6: mount|nc termbin.com 9999
[06:30] <tatertots> cipher6: i think you know the drill right?
[06:30] <cipher6> tatertots: i can't decide If I love or hate you and your |nc yet...
[06:30] <ayman23> Using lubuntu/openbox. When I change the default window title bar font from Ubuntu Medium to another font, it is never able to revert back to Ubuntu Medium. I can select it and apply, but it uses another font
[06:30] <cedriczg> unknown_, Ben64. Yes. I am on elementary OS. I asked there but no one replied...
[06:30] <reisio> cipher6: how about ls -a ~/.gvfs/ ?
[06:31] <Ben64> cedriczg: that doesn't make it ok to ask here
[06:31] <reisio> cipher6: or mount | grep -i gvfs
[06:31] <unknown_> cedriczg, thats fine, thats based off ubuntu anyway isnt it
[06:31] <Ben64> unknown_: nope not fine
[06:31] <cedriczg> unknown_, Yes, That's why I chose it
[06:31] <cipher6> tatertots: vnci   but lsusb gives a return of 0vvy
[06:32] <ObrienDave> *breaks out the popcorn* ;P
[06:32] <cfhowlett> cedriczg, go to elementary support channels.  we do not support it here.
[06:32] <tatertots> cipher6: i only need the url,
[06:32] <cipher6> reisio, I don't know you (or trust you, unfortunately and I don't know what that cmd does, so for the moment I'll refrain, but thank you for offering your assistance.
[06:32] <cipher6> tatertots: termbin / vnci
[06:33] <reisio> cipher6: 'mount' prints things that are mounted (what you're looking for)
[06:33] <unknown_> Ben64, why? if someone can offer some input and it isnt intefering with the flow of anything
[06:33] <cipher6> tatertots: lsusb output termbin / 0vvy
[06:33] <reisio> cipher6: | grep -i gvfs checks that mount output for the string 'gvfs', case-insensitively
[06:33] <Ben64> unknown_: because elementary has their own support, it is not on topic here
[06:33] <unknown_> nobody is getting paid her, its freel help
[06:33] <reisio> cipher6: ls -a ~/.gvfs/ merely lists the contents of ~/.gvfs/, including hidden files/dirs
[06:33] <unknown_> but its ubuntu based
[06:33] <cipher6> reisio, what is gvfs?
[06:33] <Ben64> unknown_: that means nothing
[06:33] <unknown_> so its essentially ubuntu with a lipstick on it
[06:33] <reisio> cipher6: what you're dealing with
[06:33] <tatertots> cipher6: lsblk -o name,type,size,uuid,fstype|nc termbin.com 9999
[06:34] <Ben64> unknown_: it isn't ubuntu, so it isn't supported here, easy as that
[06:34] <unknown_> Ben64, i get you
[06:34] <reisio> cipher6: it's the stupid nonsense that's making it hard to find
[06:34] <reisio> well, it's the implementation for the phone's stupid nonsense
[06:34] <alkisg> unknown_: another example is that ubuntu is debian based, but we're not in #debian now... :)
[06:34] <cipher6> tatertots, iqoh
[06:34] <reisio> anyway I'm trustworthy ask anyone, I even know what an antivirus is
[06:35] <unknown_> but one could ask a debian related question here if its cross referenced
[06:35] <unknown_> theyre all related
[06:35] <unknown_> at their core
[06:35] <cfhowlett> unknown_, but not ubuntu
[06:35] <cipher6> reisio, Lol, thanks, but the grep gave me a list of uninteligible user/group id's...
[06:35] <unknown_> and thats a ubuntu link i saw
[06:35] <cfhowlett> unknown_, shall we move on to ubuntu support now?  otherwise, feel free to continue debating in #ubuntu-offtopic.  thanks.
[06:35] <unknown_> thats what im trying to say
[06:36] <cedriczg> Sorry for the discussion I generated. I followed ubuntu based instructions in order to be able to solve my connectivity issue
[06:36] <unknown_> he showed a ubuntu page
[06:36] <unknown_> i didnt even know it was different distro issue
[06:37] <reisio> cipher6: just look in ~/.gvfs
[06:37] <tatertots> cipher6: lsblk -o name,type,size,uuid,fstype,mountpoint|nc termbin.com 9999
[06:37] <reisio> cipher6: find ~/.gvfs/ -iname '*.jpg'
[06:37] <reisio> you're just killing me here :p
[06:37] <cipher6> tatertots, 1803
[06:37] <reisio> I mean you already skipped the easy wireless way :p
[06:37] <plshelp> when i boot to my live usb, 16.04 doesn't get wifi
[06:38] <cipher6> reisio, sudo ls ~/.gvfs has no return at alll
[06:38] <cedriczg> reisio, I will try that. I am looking on how to perform that
[06:38] <cipher6> plshelp: what kind of laptop/desktop?
[06:38] <reisio> cedriczg: oh did I get you guys confused? :p
[06:38]  * reisio sighs in reality
[06:38] <cfhowlett> plshelp, it happens. depends on what wifi chipset your machine is using
[06:38] <cfhowlett> !wifi | plshelp
[06:39] <reisio> cipher6: what about plain ls -a ~/.gvfs
[06:39] <cipher6> reisio: then my term decides to be a ***** and returns . & ..
[06:40] <reisio> cool
[06:40] <tatertots> cipher6: ls probably says does not exists or something to that effect?
[06:40] <reisio> and now I have access to your personal files MUAHAHAH
[06:40] <reisio> j/k
[06:41] <reisio> gvfs is FUSE-y, though, IIRC, so technically you'd want to look as the same user, not root (sudo)
[06:41] <cipher6> tatertots: no ls for ~/.gvfs just doesn't show a return, it just goes back to $:
[06:41] <ObrienDave> you have to watch reisio like a hawk ;P
[06:41] <plshelp> mbp late 2011
[06:41] <reisio> RIP 2011
[06:41] <tatertots> cipher6: the phone isn't mounted dood
[06:42] <cipher6> tatertots: right clicking the icon in the unity taskbar i cn click "unmount"
[06:42] <reisio> sure, but if he can look at its files in nautilus, it is "mounted"
[06:42] <tatertots> cipher6: so if you were trying to do any thing in terminal with its content, you can stop
[06:42] <xroot> hi all,, whats wrong with airplane mode ? I have to sleep/hibernate if i want to enable wifi and turn off airplane mode on my asus n551zu.... :(
[06:42] <alkisg> cipher6: what's the output of this command? ls /run/user/$(id -u)/gvfs
[06:42] <Ben64> xroot: what's the actual issue
[06:43] <cipher6> tatertots: and if I open nautilus, navigate to the phone and hit CTRL+L it gives me the path as mtp://[usb:001,005]/
[06:43] <xroot> there is nothing message on dmesg and log.. :(
[06:43] <cipher6> alkisg: mtp:host=%5Busb%3A001%2C005%5D
[06:43] <alkisg> cipher6: that's where your files are
[06:44] <alkisg> cipher6: run: cd /run/user/$(id -u)/gvfs/mtp*/*
[06:44] <alkisg> cipher6: and then run ls
[06:44] <cipher6> alkisg: so if i'm in terminal trying to copy pics, i can go cp mtp:host=blahblah  ~/backup or whatever?
[06:44] <alkisg> Yes
[06:44] <Ben64> no
[06:45] <cipher6> alkisg: no such file or dir
[06:45] <alkisg> cipher6: cd /run/user/$(id -u)/gvfs/mtp*
[06:45] <cipher6> Ben64: can you shed some light on the subject? i really just need this usb connected android phone to have a normal mount point
[06:46] <cipher6> alkisg: no such file or dir
[06:46] <alkisg> cipher6: use tab to autocomplete the cd command
[06:46] <tatertots> cipher6: there's these different modes android devices can operate in with connected to a PC, mtp, or it can operate as a usb mass storage device,
[06:46] <Ben64> tatertots: the last one doesn't exist often anymore
[06:46] <tatertots> cipher6: there's these different modes android devices can operate in when connected to a PC, mtp, or it can operate as a usb mass storage device,
[06:46] <cipher6> tatertots: I'm in mtp, should I swich to mass storage?
[06:46] <Ben64> cipher6: if that's an option on your phone that is what you want
[06:47] <alkisg> mtp over gvfs works fine, with ls, cp and everything
[06:47] <Ben64> alkisg: it works ok sometimes
[06:48] <alkisg> Ben64: usually it's the best of the 2 options offered nowadays
[06:48] <cipher6> Ben64/tatertots Samsung Gal S6, doesn't over mass storage, just mtp/ptp/midi/POUsb
[06:48] <cipher6> offer* mass
[06:48] <reisio> noway, mass storage is so much simpler
[06:48] <Ben64> cipher6: yep they mostly don't anymore
[06:48] <reisio> that's why apple hates it so much
[06:48] <cipher6> that's why every carrier turned it off,
[06:48] <cipher6> android made the change distro wide about year and a half ago, i think with kitkat or someting
[06:49] <tatertots> cipher6: double check your manufacture does or doesn't support the device operating as mass storage device when connected via USB to a pc.
[06:49] <cipher6> icecream sundae? who the heck knows
[06:49] <Ben64> they turned it off so they can use encryption and a better filesystem than fat32
[06:49] <cipher6> +1 to what Ben64 said, that's how Samsung uses KNOX crypto
[06:49] <alkisg> Also because they wouldn't have to unmount the media to offer it as a block device
[06:49] <Ben64> yeah that too
[06:49] <tatertots> cipher6: that's going to be more of a mobile device thing more so than a linux thing,..well until you find out if mass usb storage mode is supported as per the manufacture
[06:49] <cipher6> what is gvfs?
[06:50] <alkisg> cipher6: read this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/342319/where-are-mtp-mounted-devices-located-in-the-filesystem
[06:50] <alkisg> You can normally run ls, cp and everything
[06:50] <Ben64> my phone shows up in /run/user/$(id -u)/gvfs/mtp*
[06:50] <Ben64> for what that's worth
[06:51] <reisio> pfft, you can use encryption and not fat with mass storage, gimme ze breakz
[06:51] <Ben64> not and have it work with anything
[06:52] <cipher6> alkisg: thanks,
[06:52] <reisio> s/anything/specific proprietary nonsenses/, sure
[06:52] <cipher6> Ben64: it's really about Knox and being able to control root access for roms
[06:52] <cipher6> they just really hate xda
[06:52] <reisio> it's definitely about control
[06:52] <reisio> not that it even works woooooo
[06:53] <reisio> but it works on enough folk
[06:53] <alkisg> cipher6: for more theory on why mtp/ptp instead of mass storage: http://www.howtogeek.com/192732/android-usb-connections-explained-mtp-ptp-and-usb-mass-storage/
[06:54] <smeert> hey about cron
[06:54] <smeert> is this right 7,25,41,57 * * * * command.sh ?
[06:54] <reisio> "this article brought to you by ${corporate shill}" at the bottom?
[06:54] <reisio> smeert: could be, man 5 crontab
[06:54] <Ben64> smeert: doesn't look right
[06:54] <reisio> smeert: probably with an absolute path, though
[06:54] <smeert> why not?
[06:54] <smeert> dont mind the command
[06:55] <reisio> happily :p
[06:55] <smeert> im worried about the cron numbers itselfs
[06:55] <reisio> man 5 crontab
[06:55] <reisio> but if I were you
[06:55] <ubuntu-mate> hello
[06:55] <reisio> I'd put that login inside command.sh
[06:55] <reisio> hi ubuntu-mate
[06:55] <AkiraD> Hi I need help with configuring vnc server to be used as a server ---> client: iPhone
[06:56] <Ben64> AkiraD: pick one of the many vnc server software packages available and run it.
[06:56] <AkiraD> Can anybody tell me if there is a man page in plain English for VNC & all the variants?
[06:56] <AkiraD> 14.04
[06:56] <reisio> and all the variants? No
[06:57] <cipher6> so I have resolved the issue, kinda
[06:57] <reisio> gj
[06:57] <Ben64> AkiraD: 'man Xvnc' for one of them
[06:57] <AkiraD> Woo x? Graphical??
[06:57] <Ben64> uh
[06:57] <Ben64> you do know what vnc is, right?
[06:57] <plshelp> there shouldn't be any inherent problems with formatting a backup partition as hfs+ in ubuntu to use for a mbp right?
[06:58] <AkiraD> It's like teamviewer
[06:58] <cipher6> running ls /run/user/1000/gvfs/mtp:blahblah was able to display a list of the phone files, but even with sudo, I didn't have permission to cp the files from terminal, but i could from nautilus,
[06:58] <cipher6> so I'm still not sure exactly what kept me from moving files
[06:58] <AkiraD> I think I even downloaded a vnc viewer on my cbox
[06:58] <Ben64> cipher6: ls -l one of the files
[06:58] <alkisg> cipher6: you don't need sudo, but you do need to be the same user as the one that mounted the phone
[06:58] <AkiraD> Xbox 1.  ***
[06:58] <reisio> cipher6: kept, or keeps?
[06:59] <reisio> cipher6: again, you don't want to be using sudo for this
[06:59] <plshelp> trying to make sure i'm stupid to think that there would be some weird compatibility issue or something
[06:59] <cipher6> Ben64: returns -rw------------ cipher6 cipher6 lots of mb's mod date  filename.png
[07:00] <Ben64> cipher6: then you can copy it with the user cipher6
[07:00] <cipher6> I am cipher6....
[07:00] <reisio> and you can even delete, but don't do that
[07:00] <xroot> hmm the issue is disable by hardware switch,, but I unable to echo 0 /sys/class/rfkill/rfkill[0-9]/hard... its always 1
[07:00] <alkisg> cipher6: do you have any issues if you *don't* use sudo?
[07:00] <cipher6> output of cp blah is Permission Denied
[07:00] <AkiraD> I am used to older versions of ubuntu, where you could configure just about everything from GUI . But I looked at my directories and didn't even see anything like /USB/sda1 sda2 etc
[07:00] <cipher6> alkisg, let me try
[07:01] <reisio> cipher6: just rsync the parent dir, not as root
[07:01] <Herbalist> Why do i have to click "Shut Down" so very often, before the computer finally shuts down ?
[07:01] <reisio> Herbalist: as opposed to?
[07:02] <cipher6> alkisg: omitting directory {full directory path i'm not gonna list}
[07:02] <cipher6> alkisg: if ran w/ sudo, "omitting directory {full dir path} : Permission Denied
[07:02] <alkisg> cipher6: that's probably because you used cp instead of cp -r to copy directories
[07:02] <reisio> cipher6: stop with sudo!
[07:02] <reisio> stop already
[07:02] <reisio> OMFG :p
[07:02] <reisio> not with sudo
[07:02] <cipher6> what's the danger in sudoing everything?  :D
[07:04] <reisio> Herbalist: plain Ubuntu with Unity?
[07:04] <cipher6> Ben64: exact command is cp [phone path] ~/Desktop/PicBkup
[07:04] <Ben64> that's not exact!
[07:04] <reisio> heh
[07:04] <alkisg> cipher6: cp -a
[07:04] <reisio> anyway it should work, if you run as user
[07:04] <pressure679> My pc is 8 degrees hotter with ubuntu 16.04.1 than with fedora 23 :-(
[07:04] <Herbalist> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[07:04] <cipher6> Ben64 :P    cp /run/user/1000/gvfs/mtp\:host\=%5Busb%3A001%2C005%5D/Phone/DCIM/Screenshots/ ~/Desktop/HaileyBackup
[07:04] <reisio> pressure679: as measured by?
[07:04] <cipher6> There's the exact command
[07:05] <Ben64> cool, you need -r to copy a directory
[07:05] <reisio> cipher6: none of that is personal info, FYI =)
[07:05] <cipher6> Ben64: sudo -r?
[07:05] <cipher6> :P
[07:05] <reisio> not that it couldn't have been :p
[07:05] <alkisg> OMG
[07:05] <Ben64> i'm going to punch you over the internet
[07:05] <cipher6> I've been punched over much less.
[07:05] <reisio> cipher6: aha, that was a good joke :D
[07:05] <reisio> cipher6: but yeah, use rsync
[07:05] <pressure679> reisio: Celsius
[07:05] <Herbalist> pressure .. it proves that Ubuntu is hot
[07:05] <alkisg> Researcher-: sure it is, now we now his gf name, it's Hailey
[07:06] <reisio> pressure679: as measured by what scientific instrument
[07:06] <reisio> but you don't know his name
[07:06] <alkisg> *sorry, reisio ^
[07:06] <pressure679> reisio: Celsius
[07:06] <cipher6> reisio, I gave my name last night while speaking to tatertots :(
[07:06] <reisio> pressure679: :D
[07:06] <reisio> cipher6: Mills?
[07:06] <cipher6> Hey it worked! Ya'll are jeanuses'
[07:06] <reisio> did you give your full name and address?
[07:06] <cipher6> ;)
[07:07] <alkisg> credit card number? :D
[07:07] <reisio> cipher6: '/run/user/1000/...' doesn't show up in 'mount' output?
[07:07] <cipher6> reisio: I don't know what mount does, beyond fill my term screen with tons of un-carriage returned lines
[07:07] <cipher6> so I tend to shy away from it
[07:07] <TestingIRC> when I do "ls /et" and then press tab to autocomplete it says:
[07:07] <reisio> cipher6: mount | grep -i 1000
[07:07] <TestingIRC> bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device
[07:08] <TestingIRC> how to fix it ?
[07:08] <reisio> TestingIRC: make more space
[07:08] <Ben64> TestingIRC: free up some space?
[07:08] <TestingIRC> where ?
[07:08] <TestingIRC> its free
[07:08] <reisio> anywhere
[07:08] <Ben64> it isn't
[07:08] <alkisg> reisio: that's about it: gvfsd-fuse on /run/user/1010/gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1010,group_id=1010)
[07:08] <cfhowlett> TestingIRC, do this: df -H
[07:08] <Ben64> "No space left on device" means there is no space left on the device
[07:08] <cipher6> gvfsd-fuse on /run/user/1000/gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1000,group_id=1000)
[07:08] <xroot> :(
[07:08] <reisio> okay good
[07:08] <cipher6> reisio: ^^^^ but I don't know what it means
[07:09] <reisio> yeah but we all would have :p
[07:09] <cipher6> Also, now time to see if I can tar.xz her files without losing my mind
[07:09] <reisio> anyway, all sorted, gj
[07:09] <TestingIRC> rootfs          20511356 19554284         0 100% /
[07:09] <cipher6> reisio: wait, tell me what mount does! :P
[07:09] <cipher6> and don't say man mount
[07:09] <TestingIRC> Filesystem     1K-blocks     Used Available Use% Mounted on
[07:09] <cipher6> I'll cry
[07:09] <TestingIRC> rootfs          20511356 19554284         0 100% /
[07:09] <reisio> not much point in xz'ing JPEGs or MP4s, FYI
[07:09] <alkisg> reisio: for a complete list, one would run: gvfs-mount --list
[07:09] <cfhowlett> TestingIRC, meaning you have used - wait for it - 100% and have nothign left
[07:09] <Ben64> cipher6: lists mounts
[07:09] <reisio> cipher6: didn't I already? it just lists mount points
[07:10] <alkisg> gvfs mounts don't show up in `mount`
[07:10] <reisio> yeah I did, 40 minutes ago
[07:10] <cipher6> reisio: but they don't make any since,
[07:10] <reisio> cipher6: no they don't really
[07:10] <cipher6> is gvfsd-fuse her phone?
[07:10] <reisio> but they have enough information
[07:10] <cipher6> and on /run/user/1000/gvfs is the "mount piont"
[07:11] <reisio> no, gvfs-fuse is the imaginary filesystem for mounting her phone
[07:11] <reisio> but the path is all you needed to get you going
[07:11]  * cipher6 bangs head on wall till small dent forms
[07:11] <cipher6> in head, not wall
[07:11] <cipher6> reisio: ok I'll accept that. so why not xz png/jpgs?
[07:12] <cipher6> reisio: already compact by nature?
[07:12] <reisio> point is, I don't remember how you responded to my suggestion of mount | grep -i gvfs 40 minutes ago, but you could've been done 40 minutes ago :p
[07:12] <reisio> cipher6: yeah
[07:12] <cipher6> reisio: I told you that I was told not to talk to strangers, and that you couldn't take pictures of me without my clothes on, even if you let me see the cool dog you keep in your van
[07:12] <reisio> well JPEG/MP4 anyway, but the times when PNGs have more compression to go it's usually pretty tedious anyway
[07:13] <reisio> that's a lie, though, I'm taking pictures of you without your clothes on right now
[07:13] <tatertots> cipher6: ls -lh /run/user/1000/gvfs|nc termbin.com 9999
[07:13] <cipher6> reisio: that's unfortunate, I haven't shaved in a while and my front facing cam is pretty low res
[07:13] <reisio> he's not actually looking for his stuff anymore
[07:13] <reisio> I just wanted to confirm something from earlier
[07:13] <cipher6> tatertots: 1iaa
[07:13] <reisio> cipher6: yeah, same
[07:14] <reisio> that is our burden
[07:14] <TestingIRC> cfhowlett: can I use other place for bash's temporary directory ? other than /tmp
[07:14] <cfhowlett> I supposed but you really need to address that out of space issue or you will continue to see problems
[07:15] <GuestQcusNicOnIg> hello hello
[07:16] <reisio> TestingIRC: might start with this stuff: http://askubuntu.com/questions/5980/how-do-i-free-up-disk-space#answer-6002
[07:16] <reisio> GuestQcusNicOnIg: hi
[07:16] <gorgi> best free vpn please help ?
[07:16] <GuestQcusNicOnIg> so, i figured out that 16.04 needs quite a bit of updating for the help found on Google
[07:16] <cfhowlett> gorgi, wrong channel.  use google
[07:16] <reisio> gorgi: don't cross post
[07:16] <GuestQcusNicOnIg> hey reisio
[07:16] <cipher6> tatertots: what was that last paste bin for?
[07:16] <TestingIRC> gorgi: Hola
[07:17] <gorgi> alo TestingIRC
[07:17] <reisio> I'm assuming he thought you were still looking for the files, and not just satisfying my curiosity
[07:17] <GuestQcusNicOnIg> i had to be come an expert on PAM and Encryption
[07:17] <cfhowlett> !test | gorgi,
[07:17] <GuestQcusNicOnIg> in a week
[07:18] <gorgi> TestingIRC, just saw your IP ? is it real location ?
[07:18] <cipher6> reisio, in layman's terms, does grep just search for a string in the output when piped?
[07:18] <tatertots> cipher6: in the event you proceed to make a back up and were in doubt of it's path. Are you now making a backup of the phone ?
[07:18] <GuestQcusNicOnIg> why the heck did they even make PAM it seems more a nuisance then a help, until of coure you take a look at the specifics.
[07:18] <reisio> cipher6: a line that contains a string, yes
[07:19] <TestingIRC> gorgi: you can ask in #haskell
[07:19] <TestingIRC> gorgi: they know everything
[07:19] <cipher6> tatertots: yes, I mv'd the files from the phone to my desktop, I'm now tar -cfv the pics and then I'm going to rsync them across the network
[07:19] <cipher6> tatertots: (remember I"m looking for projects for myself, not doing this out of necessity)
[07:19] <reisio> grep is super awesome
[07:20] <cipher6> tatertots: I'm assuming I could have mv'd pipe rsync through ssh to a dir on my server?
[07:20] <reisio> Windows not having grep has always made it like... not even an OS :p
[07:20] <GuestQcusNicOnIg> anyone else familiar with the fingerprint_gui?
[07:20] <reisio> cipher6: you could've rsync directly from the phone over the network to elsewhere, yeah
[07:20] <reisio> rsync'd
[07:20] <cipher6> reisio, I'm hoping their powershell gets with the times
[07:20] <reisio> GuestQcusNicOnIg: what's that?
[07:20] <cipher6> reisio, can you give me a foo example of what that command would look like?
[07:20] <reisio> cipher6: I think they have a grep written in powershell langwerge
[07:21] <cfhowlett> GuestQcusNicOnIg, "anyone else ..."? questions are a huge waste of time.  state YOUR issues and YOUR specifications for actual answers
[07:21] <GuestQcusNicOnIg> reisio, its a little app that utilizes the fingerprint reader on or USB wise fingerprint scanner
[07:21] <reisio> cipher6: rsync -av /run/whatever/magic/path user@host:optional/path/
[07:21] <reisio> cipher6: note that first path does not have trailing slash, which puts that dir inside the dir of the destination
[07:21] <cipher6> reisio: it's seriously that easy??
[07:22] <reisio> cipher6: you can also do path/ path/ (both trailing) and dump directly into destination dir
[07:22] <cipher6> I may do it again after the tar finsihes just for kicks
[07:22] <reisio> cipher6: probably yeah
[07:22] <GuestQcusNicOnIg> cfhowlett, i have figured my issues which took me two days, i all of a sudden made an effort to understand linux and more specifically ubuntu..
[07:22] <cipher6> so, do I need to ssh into the user@host before the rsync?
[07:22] <cipher6> or should i run the rsync from my local user ?
[07:22] <reisio> so rsync -av foo bar/ gets you bar/foo, but rsync -av foo/ bar/ gets you bar/ with the contents of foo/
[07:23] <cfhowlett> GuestQcusNicOnIg, ah, sounds like a great chat in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[07:23] <reisio> cipher6: either is possible, but the latter is less convoluted
[07:23] <reisio> you can tab-complete to the crazy gvfs path, after all, locally
[07:23] <cipher6> so in a sec I'm gonna try this, are you going anywhere in the next half hour?
[07:23] <reisio> although if you use sshfs, you can tab-complete either installations' paths
[07:23] <reisio> probably not
[07:23] <cipher6> in case i rm -r --no-preserve-root /*
[07:23] <reisio> heh
[07:24] <reisio> saw someone do that on irc the other day
[07:24] <reisio> without --no-preserve-root
[07:24] <reisio> I could've sworn /* wouldn't work without that
[07:24] <reisio> after all, it'd be stupid, but whatever, it all is
[07:24] <cipher6> so i was reading the other day about a man who accidentally his whole company b/c he rm * . instead of rm *.filext
[07:24] <reisio> accidentally what, boned his hole co?
[07:25] <cipher6> that space made about a $850k difference for him
[07:25] <gorgi> TestingIRC, HUMBOLDT STATE UNIVERSITY is this your ? (ISP)
[07:25] <cipher6> yep his entire server and ALL his clients data
[07:26] <reisio> such a good story: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/hack/recovery.html
[07:26] <reisio> of course, usually it's actually the combination of misusing 'rm' _and_ the initial panic that keeps you from immediately stopping writes and then recovering the files that does you in
[07:27] <reisio> but ultimately it's that you haven't kept backups :p
[07:29] <cipher6> reisio, I forgot my flags, so it's running but I have no idea if it's working right or it's progress :(
[07:31] <reisio> cipher6: what, rsync?
[07:31] <reisio> cipher6: you can cancel rsync without causing any harm
[07:31] <reisio> that's part of why rsync is the shiznit
[07:31] <cipher6> yeah but I figure i'll just let it go, it's running in top
[07:32] <reisio> no man, exercise your rsync freedoms
[07:32] <cipher6> kk ^C'd it
[07:32] <cipher6> now running w/ -av
[07:32] <reisio> if raptor gebus didn't want you to cancel rsync any time you pleased without any bad things happening, he wouldn't have given you rsync
[07:32] <cipher6> I get  v, what's archive though? Man said it was 7 different flags?
[07:32] <reisio> it's for permissions and things
[07:33] <cipher6> preserves or removes em?
[07:33] <reisio> it makes for a nice default param
[07:33] <reisio> preserves, when possible
[07:36] <cipher6> reisio thanks for sharing that story, i love old hacker culture
[07:38] <reisio> tldr: learn vax assembler and you can be cool
[07:42] <cipher6> reisio, any reason i cna't get into offtopic? says i 'need to be identified w/ services'
[07:42] <ducasse> !register | cipher6
[07:43] <reisio> cipher6: yeah
[07:43] <reisio> cipher6: there are people out there that are dumb
[07:43] <reisio> people who want off topic chatter to be limited to people who follow rules
[07:43] <reisio> tldr: /msg nickserv help register & /msg nickserv help identify
[07:44] <digital_ghost>  i am runnig ubuntu 16.04 LTS, i am trying to install "macubntu theme" using ubuntu tweak.there are two option "macubuntu unity x" and "macubntu unity classic" and "mac ubuntu ucgm"and "mac ubntu osx".which is right choice for my ubntu 16.04
[07:45] <cipher6> did that seriously just publish my login info into the chat??!
[07:46] <cipher6> reisio, can you see nickserv's message back to me or is that just how hexchat publishes stuff?
[07:46] <Flannel> cipher6: No, we don't see nickserv's responses to you
[07:46] <cipher6> Flannel, thank you!
[07:46]  * cipher6 changes underoos
[07:51] <reisio> cipher6: -msg-'s? are private
[07:51] <reisio> /notice cipher6 beans
[07:51] <reisio> I mean, _I_ can see nickserv's responses to you, but nobody else can because their levels are <9000
[08:05] <tnm-tv1> hello. Is it possible to read username and password from my usernames in my Ubutnu sistem, so then I could automaticly login to a webpage that needs same username and password?
[08:06] <reisio> tnm-tv1: can't you just log in once and have the browser save that information?
[08:08] <tnm-tv1> reisio, cookie that is stored is a session cookie. The next time the firefox will close I would need to click on login button again. But due to the fact that this webpage will be on LCD TV for information, I would schedule weekly restart of the sistem, after the reboot I would need to click on login button again
[08:09] <hateball> tnm-tv1: you can setup kerberos SSO, and config firefox use that
[08:09] <hateball> it's however not a simple thing to do
[08:09] <reisio> tnm-tv1: there are extensions for Firefox that will preserve cookies, but
[08:09] <reisio> sites can cancel them any time they like
[08:09] <reisio> would be a pain to automate every site's different system
[08:09] <reisio> one or two, sure
[08:10] <alkisg> tnm-tv1: it's mostly a firefox question, see a plugin like this one: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/secure-login/
[08:10] <alkisg> You can have username/passwords bookmarked per page, they don't need to be the same as the login username/password
[08:10] <tnm-tv1> hateball, I only need this for one site, and only one site will be opened all of the time
[08:11] <tnm-tv1> alkisg, with secure login you need to click on the icon on the top of the browser corner. I need to automaticly login to web page (that will be home page) when the browser opens
[08:12] <Herbalist> tnm .. maybe KeepassX
[08:12] <alkisg> tnm-tv1: find a firefox plugin that does what you want. Ask in #firefox if you don't know one. It's really not ubuntu specific, it'll even work in windows.
[08:12] <Herbalist> password manager
[08:24] <ducasse> tnm-tv1: keepassx has autotype, it can fill in username+password and press enter.
[08:30] <dean12> hi
[08:31] <alkisg> Hello
[08:31] <Turiya> how do i fix a complete fuckup?
[08:31] <Turiya> in ubuntu
[08:31] <Herbalist> sledgehammer
[08:31] <Turiya> i installed qbittorrent instead of qbittorrent-nox
[08:32] <Turiya> and now i've got x11 installed plus a shit ton of other packages on my headless server
[08:32] <Turiya> that i dont need
[08:32] <ducasse> Turiya: please stop swearing
[08:32] <Herbalist> you can uninstall them again
[08:33] <Herbalist> then install the correct one
[08:34] <alkisg> dean12, don't send jpg files to people here
[08:34] <dean12> why ?
[08:34] <alkisg> because it's for ubuntu support, not for exchanging photos
[08:35] <dean12> okay im sorry
[08:43] <tnm-tv1> ducasse, how can I set up that everytime that specific URL would be opened in firefox keepassx would automaticly fill everything and then it would press enter?
[08:46] <ducasse> tnm-tv1: look under "advanced use" here - https://ssd.eff.org/en/module/how-use-keepassx
[08:49] <tnm-tv1> ducasse, One of the most useful features of KeePassX is that it can automatically type in usernames and passwords for you into other programs when you press a special combination of keys on your keyboard. Well, that is not what I was looking for. It need to automaticly input the username and password, without me
[08:57] <Speiros> Someone mentioned they couldn't open their ext HDD last night, but I'm stuck not being able to open it in a user account.
[08:59] <alkisg> Speiros: you cannot mount your external hdd?
[08:59] <Speiros> alkisg, Yes.  I typed dmesg|tail and got a response to it.
[08:59] <Speiros> It seems ufw blocks it
[08:59] <alkisg> Which is?
[09:00] <alkisg> ufw blocks your hdd?!
[09:00] <alkisg> That doesn't make sense...
[09:00] <alkisg> Is it a usb hdd or a nas?
[09:00] <kapa> Hello guys! I have very strange problem, and I even do not know how to figure it out and how to google this problem ;(
[09:00] <Speiros> No, maybe the response is wrong...
[09:00] <Speiros> USB
[09:00] <Speiros> It is a different message to the last one before I came online.
[09:00] <Speiros> Prior to that it was something with GVFS
[09:00] <priporg> i'm getting error "ata1.00: failed to set xfermode (err_mask=0x40)" help please
[09:01] <priporg> i'm using ubuntu 16.04 Lts
[09:01] <kapa> on login screen (I use lightdm) keybord works good, but after login it's like FN button always pressed, and if type FN - and some button it writes normal letter
[09:02] <alkisg> Speiros: what's the output of: sudo lsblk --fs | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:02] <kapa> I have keyboard like this: http://www.laptopkey.com/uploads/334_1273618149_D45-keyboard.png
[09:03] <kapa> so if I press "U" it types 4
[09:03] <alkisg> kapa: press Fn+F4 to turn off numlock
[09:03] <kapa> hmmm
[09:03] <Speiros> alkisg The message regarding the drive is "EXT4-fs (drive name): Unrecognized mount option "x-gvfs-show" or missing value"
[09:04] <kapa> but after I connect another keyboard it becomes ok. Let me try to reboot to test it.
[09:04] <Speiros> alkisg, Ok, I'll have a look
[09:04] <Speiros> alkisg, Oh, from here, I can't sudo into terminal, as it only asks for my user sudo
[09:05] <alkisg> Speiros: i've no idea what you mean by "user sudo"
[09:05] <alkisg> You just provide your password there
[09:05] <Speiros> alkisg Yes, I mean sorry, I'm not sudo on this computer, but terminal asks for not the sudo password but a password for this account instead.
[09:06] <Speiros> alkisg, Sorry...on this computer I have an admin acct and a user acct.
[09:06] <alkisg> There's no "sudo password". If you are not a sudoer, you cannot mount ext4 drives.
[09:06] <Speiros> alkisg Yes, but I am sudo on the other account, but I don't want to use the admin account for chatting and other internet stuff.
[09:06] <alkisg> So just login as the admin to see the disk
[09:06] <Speiros> unless essential.
[09:07] <alkisg> You need to add it to fstab then
[09:07] <alkisg> To allow other users to mount ext4 disks
[09:07] <alkisg> Or, change udisks policy accordingly
[09:07] <Speiros> alkisg, Ah, okay.  What commands do I use, and do I do that in admin acct, and not this one?
[09:07] <kapa> alkisg, unfortunately it doesn't work
[09:09] <alkisg> kapa: do you see a led blinking when you turn on/off numlock?
[09:10] <kapa> No, I do not have any led :(
[09:10] <alkisg> Usually laptops do have leds on top of the keyboard
[09:10] <kapa> my laptop is: http://metabox.com.au/store/Prime-Range  14.0" P641HK
[09:10] <alkisg> Don't you have a led for caps lock, for example?
[09:10] <Speiros> Ok, I'll be back soon:)  I'll try my hand at navigating the wiki, as I'm sure the info is there already.
[09:11] <kapa> alkisg no :(
[09:13] <kapa> alkisg but you are right, it could be because of numlock enabled by default
[09:13] <alkisg> kapa: xkbwatch shows graphical leds for all those keys
[09:13] <alkisg> numlock, caps lock etc
[09:13] <alkisg> Open a terminal, run xkbwatch, and toggle the numlock to see if the leds change etc etc
[09:15] <kapa> need to reboot, because I connected usb keyboard (after connecting USB keyboards it's ok)
[09:15] <kapa> my laptop keyboard detects as: [    18.961] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev" | [    18.961] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
[09:15] <kapa> I think it can be a problem :(
[09:15] <kapa> alkisg thank you mate! I will reboot and check it again
[09:15] <alkisg> dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[09:16] <alkisg> (with sudo) will allow you to change your keyboard type
[09:16] <kapa> hmm! Thank you a lot!
[09:16] <alkisg> np
[09:16] <kapa> now need to detect my keybord :)
[09:21] <priporg> i'm getting error "ata1.00: failed to set xfermode (err_mask=0x40)". I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. Help please
[09:29] <Mike_> Hi
[09:29] <Mike_> Help anyone?
[09:29] <Guest19640> hello
[09:30] <Guest19640> help
[09:30] <Ben64> Guest19640: you need to ask a question before you can get help
[09:30] <Guest19640> Oh ok
[09:30] <Guest19640> So i'm on Ubuntu LTS
[09:30] <Guest19640> 16.04
[09:30] <Guest19640> And im wired connected
[09:30] <Guest19640> But i can't get internet acces
[09:30] <Guest19640> access
[09:31] <Guest19640> Anyone know how i can fit this?
[09:31] <Guest19640> fix
[09:31] <Ben64> can you ping google.com
[09:31] <Guest19640> I mean it's pretty annoying yeah I've tried everything
[09:31] <kapa> alkisg you are totally right, it helps (partly :) ) Thank you very much! I will try to configure this keyboard by dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[09:32] <Guest19640> Hi there
[09:32] <Guest19640> anyone know how i can fix this?
[09:33] <Guest19640> Hi farid
[09:33] <Guest19640> wow this is a tough server
[09:34] <Guest19640> Yo cyberg
[09:34] <Ben64> Guest19640: don't do that
[09:34] <Guest19640> DO what
[09:34] <Ben64> say hi to everyone
[09:34] <Guest19640> Hi
[09:34] <Guest19640> everyone
[09:34] <lasantos> hi everyone
[09:34] <Ben64> hopeless
[09:34] <Guest19640> @Ben64
[09:35] <Guest19640> who is?
[09:35] <Guest19640> First time im on this server btw
[09:35] <Guest19640> I have no idea lol
[09:35] <Ben64> Guest19640: read this first https://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc/
[09:35] <Guest19640> I mean i've tried literally everything
[09:36] <Ben64> if that's true then it's pointless to try to fix it
[09:36] <Guest19640> One sec
[09:36] <Guest19640> Its a way of speech
[09:37] <Guest19640> Oh yeah just read it
[09:37] <nithinmm> Hi, I am new to ubuntu. I am not able to change the background of shotwell application.
[09:38] <Guest19640> So my situation is that i can't seem to get my internet working on Ubuntu
[09:38] <Ben64> so for the 3rd time, can you ping google.com
[09:38] <Guest19640> >Ben64 this is strange...
[09:38] <Guest19640> yes
[09:38] <Guest19640> i did that
[09:39] <Ben64> then you have internet
[09:39] <Guest19640> but nothing happens
[09:39] <Guest19640> i don't get any ms
[09:39] <Ben64> so you mean no
[09:39] <Ben64> i'm done with you
[09:39] <Guest19640> i have internet but not internet access on the pc
[09:39] <kapa> o_O
[09:39] <Guest19640> lol
[09:40] <Guest19640> sup kapa?
[09:40] <kapa> I did not get it, what do you mean under internet access ?
[09:40] <nithinmm> When I change the background from white to black only the font color changes from black to white
[09:41] <Guest19640> Let me explain so the internet was working then i rebooted ubuntu and everything stoped
[09:41] <Guest19640> i tried everything till now i couldn't get it working again
[09:42] <Guest19640> I'm looking to a solid solution
[09:42] <Guest19640> I'm on a wired connection
[09:42] <Turiya> blame it on systemd
[09:44] <Guest19640> Are there any networking experts here?
[09:45] <Ben64> Guest19640: re-read that page i linked to you
[09:45] <Guest19640> I did
[09:45] <nithinmm> Hi, I am new to ubuntu. I am not able to change the background of shotwell application. When I change the background from white to black only the font color changes from black to white
[09:45] <Guest19640> but i explained what happened over 3 times already
[09:46] <Guest19640> -ssl.
[09:47] <bazhang> ##networking for the experts Guest19640
[09:49] <rcmainak> I need some steam related help on ubuntu. Can anyone help me?
[09:49] <Speiros> I can now "see" my external hdd, but the permissions, although given in the root account, don't seem to apply to me.  On top of that, I can no longer access one of my physical drives which I used to be able to access from the user account.  Any suggestions folks?
[09:50] <bazhang> !steam
[09:50] <bazhang> Speiros, there is no need to enable the root account
[09:51] <Speiros> bazhang I don't understand mate.
[09:51] <bazhang> use sudo -i for the root shell if need be Speiros
[09:51] <backbox> hi !!
[09:51] <Speiros> bazhang I can't give sudo permissions from this account.
[09:51] <backbox> alquem do brasil
[09:51] <bazhang> Speiros, what happened to get into that situation
[09:52] <bazhang> !br | backbox
[09:52] <Speiros> I have an admin account, and a user account.
[09:52] <backbox> ok
[09:52] <bazhang> Speiros, the admin acct is the sudo acct, there is no other
[09:52] <Speiros> bazhang I know it's protected in a sense, but I don't know how to allow the viewing and changing/adding files etc.
[09:52] <bazhang> Speiros, sudo is used for that
[09:53] <Speiros> bazhang Yes to the admin/sudo bit, but no, as there are guest accounts and user accounts too.
[09:53] <bazhang> Speiros, a guest needs to change what exactly
[09:53] <Speiros> bazhang I'm using a user account to access the internet.
[09:54] <Speiros> bazhang I have a computer.  I make an admin account for making changes.  I have a user account to "use" the computer.  The user should have permissions to add, create and remove files, with authority from the admin account.
[09:55] <Speiros> bazhang So far I can now "see" the hard drives, but although permissions are given, they aren't seen from the user side of things.
[09:55] <bazhang> Speiros, thats not how ubuntu does it
[09:55] <Speiros> bazhang What do you mean?
[09:55] <alkisg> bazhang: he's just trying to see an external hdd disk which is formatted with ext4, from a non sudoer account
[09:55] <Speiros> alkisg Yes, and also, I now can't access a physical hard drive either.
[09:56] <bazhang> Speiros, I just said, sudo is the user, there is no root enabled by default, and no need to do so
[09:56] <alkisg> Speiros: "now" is relative to what you changed :) What did you change?
[09:57] <Speiros> alkisg I've changed two different areas.  The first I changed was the permissions for the drives, which I did in the admin accounts.  I also used terminal to change a permission for the ext HDD, but I have to go back to see what I did...gimme a sec, I'll pull up the webpage.
[09:59] <alkisg> Speiros: if you enter `su - speiros`, where speiros is the sudoer account, you can then use `sudo -i` to become root, even if you have logged in as guest.
[10:00] <Cyano> how does one create a launcher on unity panel or desktop?
[10:00] <Speiros> alkisg Aah, that's what bazhang meant with the i.  Okay, let me try that.  But will that revert back once permissions are granted?
[10:01] <priporg> Cyano, you can use a program to create a launcher. That would be the easiest way.
[10:01] <alkisg> Speiros: if you mean "will I be able to exit from there", yes, you just need to type exit two times
[10:02] <Speiros> alkisg I see.  Okay, thanks alkisg and bazhang :)  I'll keep you informed.
[10:04] <khazakar> Hi all! I hav a problem with signing a Ubuntu CodeOfConduct - launchpad says "Bad signature". Signed using GPA,because when I'm using CLI to sign gpgp tells me that I don't have any key.
[10:06] <Cyano> priporg, do you have any program in mind?
[10:08] <priporg> Cyano, no, just use google.
[10:08] <Cyano> priporg, thanks
[10:09] <Speiros> alkisg, When I type su - sudoacctname I get the response  "No passwd entry for user", and when I type "su - sudoacctname sudoacctpassword" as such, I get the same message, excepting a part of the password not being found afterwards.
[10:09] <geirha> if the user has no password, the user has no password. You can't log in with it.
[10:09] <Ben64> Speiros: what are you actually trying to do
[10:11] <alkisg> Speiros: what is the name of the sudoer account? is it speiros?
[10:11] <alkisg> Replace "sudoacctname" with the name of the user
[10:11] <alkisg> su - username
[10:11] <Speiros> Ben64 A couple of things, but I'll explain first.  I have on my computer at least two user accounts (and guest at this stage).  I am all of the accounts.  I use one as root, and any others for using the computer.
[10:11] <Speiros> alkisg, No, it's a long name.
[10:11] <Ben64> Speiros: what do you mean you 'use one as root'
[10:12] <alkisg> Speiros: maybe you are using the lightdm display name and not the username
[10:12] <Ben64> there can be only one root
[10:12] <alkisg> He means his sudoer account
[10:12] <alkisg> His terminology sucks :)
[10:12] <Ben64> which is why i'm asking for clarification
[10:12] <Speiros> Yes, my teminology does suck...sorry 'bout that:)
[10:13] <alkisg> Yup. So, Speiros, if you login with the sudoer account and open a terminal, you see a prompt user@pc. That "user" there is your username. It may be different than the long name that you see in the login screen.
[10:13] <alkisg> So you need to type "su - user", with what you saw there
[10:14] <alkisg> You can also run: ls /home, to see the user names
[10:15] <Speiros> I have a name in terminal, and it is, without divulging <useracct>@<sudoeracct>
[10:15] <Ben64> why not let all the users use sudo
[10:16] <Speiros> alkisg, When I try "su - <sudoeracct> I get said message.
[10:16] <Speiros> Ben64 Security.
[10:16] <alkisg> Speiros: <useracct>@<sudoeracct> ==> that second part is the pc name
[10:16] <Ben64> that isn't security
[10:16] <alkisg> It's not a user name
[10:16] <alkisg> So you are trying to login as the pc, which doesn't exist
[10:16] <alkisg> Run this: ls /home
[10:16] <Speiros> Ok...
[10:16] <alkisg> You will see 3 dirs there
[10:16] <alkisg> You can use one of those 3 to login
[10:17] <Ben64> having a user account is security, sudo is security
[10:17] <Speiros> alkisg Ah, I see.
[10:17] <Ben64> having separate users makes no sense
[10:17] <Ben64> especially if you still want to use sudo as them!
[10:17] <alkisg> Ben64, why so? I have non sudoers accounts for my kids, for example
[10:17] <Speiros> Ben64 I'm a father, and I don't want them to have sudo.
[10:17] <alkisg> And I would want them to be able to mount my media disk, but not run sudo
[10:17] <Ben64> you said the accounts are all you!
[10:17] <Speiros> Yep, exactly.  Even though my kids aren't here, it's available for when they are.
[10:18] <Speiros> Ben64 Yep.  The principle is the same though, regardless.
[10:18] <Ben64> no it isn't
[10:18] <Ben64> the only way it makes sense is if they aren't you
[10:18] <Speiros> Ben64 Ok, from your eyes it isn't.  To me, I like to keep the admin and the user accounts separate, so that THAT way, always, the problemshooting is always directed through one access point.
[10:19] <Ben64> they are separate, that's what sudo is for
[10:19] <Speiros> Anyway, back to the issue...I'll try to use the command.
[10:22] <Speiros> alkisg, Okay, I'm in as root.  Thanks for highlighting my error, so I can move forward.
[10:25] <Speiros> If I use "chown" does that take add the ability to change/add etc, or does it transfer it from the sudoer account?
[10:25] <Speiros> Sorry, let me rephrase that...bad syntax
[10:26] <Speiros> If I use "chown", does that then ADD the ability to access the drives, or does it TRANSFER the ownership?
[10:26] <alkisg> Speiros: you don't want to use chown. You want to configure udisks to allow users to mount ext4 disks
[10:27] <alkisg> Search for a better how-to
[10:27] <Speiros> alkisg Ok.
[10:27] <alkisg> Or, if it's just movies, use ntfs :P
[10:30] <metalliko> is it possibly to activate full disk lvm encryption after instaling ubuntu?
[10:30] <metalliko> or migrate the actual instalation to an lvm encrypted volume
[10:30] <metalliko> ¿?
[10:35] <tomreyn> M3t4ll1k0: it's n ot officially supported.
[10:35] <M3t4ll1k0> i know but can be done?
[10:39] <Turiya> [21:29] <Turiya> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WipM3SAYqK4
[10:39] <Turiya> [21:30] <Turiya> ,get
[10:39] <Turiya> [21:30] <unfinity> YT: "Linux Sucks" - 2016 : Bryan Lunduke : 48m 46s : 2016-01-28 : 566,481 views
[10:39] <tomreyn> M3t4ll1k0: https://github.com/johndoe31415/luksipc http://www.johannes-bauer.com/linux/luksipc/
[10:39] <tomreyn> M3t4ll1k0: be sure you have recent restorable backups.
[10:40] <tomreyn> Turiya: what's the message you are trying to convey there?
[10:40] <ptytty> bonjour
[10:40] <M3t4ll1k0> is the "enctyp home folder" option in ubuntu as safe as lvm encryption?
[10:40] <WildPenguin> hello, I have a Bluetooth plug and play usb dongle for connecting laptops and pcs. Does it work on Lubuntu?
[10:41] <M3t4ll1k0> probably WildPenguin, have you tried?
[10:41] <WildPenguin> I need to make data transfer between my tablet and laptop.
[10:41] <tomreyn> M3t4ll1k0: it's not full disk encryption. so it encrypts less, and leakig a little more.
[10:42] <ptytty> M3t4ll1k0: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome
[10:43] <tomreyn> WildPenguin: the best way to find out is to give it a try. you can boot and use lubuntu from its installer.
[10:43] <tomreyn> i.e. no need to install
[10:43] <ptytty> M3t4ll1k0: (IMPORTANT); Also, it is strongly recommended that you encrypt your swap space. Users installing from Ubuntu 9.10 and selecting the Encrypted Home option will automatically have encrypted swap space. Other users can run sudo ecryptfs-setup-swap. This is critically important, because your home directory data will appear as cleartext in memory, as the kernel reads your encrypted data. If the
[10:43] <ptytty> kernel swaps this data to disk, it could potentially leak your decrypted data back to disk, totally defeating your Encrypted Home.
[10:44] <WildPenguin> I have Lubuntu 16.10 installed on my laptop.
[10:44] <M3t4ll1k0> tomreyn, and what leaks should I be concerned?
[10:44] <Ben64> WildPenguin: if you want to transfer data between computers, use ethernet
[10:44] <M3t4ll1k0> thanks for the advice ptytty
[10:44] <M3t4ll1k0> or a pendrive
[10:45] <WildPenguin> why? bluetooth can't be used?
[10:45] <M3t4ll1k0> with a usb-otg adapter for the tablet
[10:45] <ptytty> WildPenguin: Bluetooth can be used limited Tx rate use cat6 cable
[10:45] <WildPenguin> I needed Bluetooth support also.
[10:45] <M3t4ll1k0> WildPenguin, it can be used (try it) i'm only saying a pen drive is more straight forward
[10:46] <WildPenguin> ok.
[10:46] <tomreyn> M3t4ll1k0: file sizes, and alteration dates / times, IIRc.
[10:46] <rodolfo> Is there anyone in this room who has an idea how I can disable or remove the mate-panel using Dconf 3.18.2?
[10:47] <M3t4ll1k0> no metadata leeking right?
[10:47] <ptytty> but obviously WildPenguine needs wireless so im being a low functioning autistic
[10:48] <M3t4ll1k0> taking about bluetooth, is normal that when you use a smartphone as bluetooth modem the speed is ridiculous slow?
[10:48] <M3t4ll1k0> i mean 56k or so
[10:48] <WildPenguin> I think it doesn't support. I'm not able to pair the two devices.
[10:49] <ptytty> WildPenguine: debug the authentication pairing see whats happening
[10:50] <WildPenguin> how?
[10:51] <tomreyn> M3t4ll1k0: this is a good overview http://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/1680/information-leakage-from-the-ecryptfs-filesystem
[10:51] <M3t4ll1k0> great thanks
[10:52] <ptytty> WIldPenguin?: open terminal, ctrl+alt+t;
[10:52] <Speiros> alkisg Ben64 bazhang Thanks for your help.  It's working how I want it now:)
[10:53] <ptytty> command: WildPenguin: bluetoothctl
[10:53] <WildPenguin> ok. what next.
[10:54] <WildPenguin> ptytty, what next?
[10:55] <ptytty> WildPenguine?: [bluetoothctl]# power on
[10:55] <M3t4ll1k0> tomreyn, also is normal that with home encryption to have files about 178GB in ~.ecryptfs
[10:55] <ptytty> WildPenguine?: [bluetoothctl]# power on
[10:55] <ptytty> butterfingers
[10:55] <ptytty> WIldPenguine: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/bluetooth#Bluetoothctl
[10:56] <tomreyn> M3t4ll1k0: as much as you had in your /home before the process would be expected
[10:56] <alkisg> Speiros: np
[10:56] <M3t4ll1k0> that the problem its a new laptop and i have only downloaded 20g~ of movies
[10:57] <ptytty> WildPenguin: there is a trouble shooting section @ page bottom.
[10:58] <tomreyn> M3t4ll1k0: i don't know then, sorry.
[10:58] <WildPenguin> ok.
[10:59] <M3t4ll1k0> i double checked tomreyn is esactly the same space used in home
[11:00] <ptytty> M3t4ll1k0: ResizeEncryptedPartions; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions
[11:00] <M3t4ll1k0> thanks for helping me understand how home encryption works+
[11:01] <ptytty> M3t4ll1k0: incase you have disk size problems you can resize, reduce or enlarge it.
[11:01] <M3t4ll1k0> ok thanks
[11:02] <tomreyn> that's only relevant when you have encrypted partitions, though, unrelated to ecryptfs
[11:25] <royal_screwup21> I'm looking for something to expedite my downloads on firefox. There's nothing wrong with the remote sever - I'm simply wondering if there's anything I can on my end (apart from increasing my internet speed, which isn't possible) to speed up some downloads. Any suggestions?
[11:26] <royal_screwup21> can do*
[11:26] <cfhowlett> royal_screwup21, torrents, not downloads?
[11:26] <royal_screwup21> cfhowlett: Eh, I've just started using Linux, haven't downloaded a bittorrent client thus far
[11:27] <cfhowlett> pretty sure transmission is default royal_screwup21.  see if you have it.
[11:27] <royal_screwup21> cfhowlett: What transmission?
[11:27] <cfhowlett> !transmission | royal_screwup21
[11:28] <cfhowlett> transmission is the default torrent client on (most) *buntu
[11:29] <royal_screwup21> cfhowlett Oh, but I'm not using torrents. I'm just downloading some video files from a website
[11:29] <royal_screwup21> .mkv files specifically
[11:30] <royal_screwup21> but I think the download speed largely depends on my internet speed, so I'm not sure if there's anything I can do to expedite the process
[11:31] <royal_screwup21> cfhowlett Oh I just opened my transmission - I now get what you were saying
[11:32] <royal_screwup21> I'll try and figure out how to use it. Thanks cfhowlett!
[11:33] <pa> hi
[11:33] <pa> can i automount only selected drives, in nautilus?
[11:36] <theoceaniscool> pa, do you mean on boot?
[11:36] <Ridah> pa: check in /etc/fstab, the automounts
[11:36] <pa> no i mean gvfs automount
[11:37] <pa> it seems i can either enable it for every drive
[11:37] <pa> or disable it for every drive
[11:37] <pa> but it doesn't let me say "i want to automount this drive only, when i plug it in"
[11:38] <Speiros> pa Sounds like the problem I just had:)
[11:38] <theoceaniscool> pa, http://askubuntu.com/questions/56428/how-to-automount-a-gvfs-file-system-on-logon
[11:38] <Cannelle> salut
[11:38] <Cannelle> hey
[11:38] <Speiros> Hi Cannelle :)
[11:38] <Cannelle> you're english?
[11:39] <Speiros> oui
[11:39] <Speiros> Yes...
[11:39] <Cannelle> ok, I'm French
[11:39] <Speiros> Welcome.
[11:39] <firas> Hi i just installed Ubuntu Mate
[11:39] <cfhowlett> !fr | Cannelle
[11:39] <firas> How can i setup auto login ? without asking for password ?
[11:40] <firas> i want it to boot directly to desktop
[11:40] <cfhowlett> firas, make a new desktop user and set it to no password, autologin
[11:42] <firas> allright, ill give it a try
[11:42] <firas> thank you cfhowlett
[11:42] <Cannelle> What do we do here apart from chatting
[11:42] <theoceaniscool> Cannelle, usually you ask for help
[11:43] <Cannelle> ok, thank
[11:43] <pa> hm..
[11:43] <pa> it seems i have automount in gnome desktop media-handling already set to true
[11:43] <pa> but when i plug in the drive, it doesn't get automounted
[11:43] <pa> i ahve to click on it in nautilus to get it mounted
[11:43] <Cannelle> what's gnome?
[11:44] <Cannelle> I never understood what it was.
[11:44] <theoceaniscool> Cannelle, A Desktop Environment
[11:45] <cfhowlett> !manual | Cannelle might be worth reading also see fcm
[11:45] <cfhowlett> !fcm | Cannelle
[11:46] <theoceaniscool> pa, thats what automounting means, its going to get mounted automatically when (if) its needed
[11:46] <Cannelle> How is it "an environment"?
[11:47] <pa> theoceaniscool, aha i see
[11:47] <Cannelle> what?
[11:47] <pa> but okay, is it possible to mount it as soon as it's plugged, somehow?
[11:48] <theoceaniscool> pa, I guess either executing manually the mount or doing an operation on it, but I don't know how exactly, sorry
[11:48] <pa> ah okay, thanks
[11:48] <pa> i guess accessing it from bash doesn't work
[11:48] <pa> probably one has to use nautilus
[11:48] <ohcibi> bullshit
[11:49] <theoceaniscool> pa, Wait, that should work
[11:49] <ohcibi> nautilus is just a gui that shows your file systems contents graphically
[11:49] <pa> so if i do ls /media/myuser/mydrive, it should work?
[11:49] <pa> i try
[11:49] <theoceaniscool> pa, yes
[11:49] <ohcibi> it does not bring its "own fileystem" or anything like that.. it accesses the very same file system you have access to from your shell
[11:50] <ohcibi> pa: yes.. you only need to know what the path to the mount point is, which the gui might hide from you initally
[11:50] <ohcibi> but usually its a subdirectory of /media or /mnt
[11:51] <darkkkis> Hi
[11:52] <darkkkis> I have problem with installign Ubuntu 16.10 on VMWare
[11:52] <ohcibi> automount could be broken because of policy issues.. mounting requires root, so if you want to mount as a user, some tweaks have to be made to the system which might be broken  (but they shouldnt on a fresh system)
[11:52] <darkkkis> after I install it and run it , I get " CPU has stopped by guest operation system ... " error
[11:54] <bbq_> hi
[11:54] <theoceaniscool> darkkkis, Already reported bug: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/402993
[11:54] <pa> ohcibi, theoceaniscool, no actually it doesn't work
[11:55] <ohcibi> pa: of course.. if its not mounted the directory in question is empty
[11:56] <ohcibi> and "accessing" the directory via the bash will most definitly not trigger the automount
[11:56] <pa> well so the question is: how to automount a drive using gvfs as soon as it's plugged?
[11:57] <ohcibi> idk.. i just made clear that your guess about the bash and the mounted drive (if mounted) was wrong
[11:57] <pa> ah okay
[11:57] <theoceaniscool> pa, what about using systemd to execute the mount on boot?
[11:58] <pa> well, the drive might not get plugged on bood
[11:58] <pa> boot
[11:58] <theoceaniscool> pa, udev rules?
[11:58] <pa> aha
[11:58] <pa> that might work
[11:58] <ohcibi> udev?
[11:58] <theoceaniscool> pa, but I don't know if those get triggered on boot
[11:58] <ohcibi> why not use systemd directly
[11:58] <ohcibi> with an automount unit
[11:59] <ohcibi> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.automount.html
[11:59] <ohcibi> pa: does the drive automounts on a fresh ubuntu?
[11:59] <pa> ohcibi, well i can see it in nautilus, but until i click on the drive, i don't get the "eject" icon
[11:59] <pa> so i guess it depends on the "automount" definition
[12:00] <ohcibi> no
[12:00] <theoceaniscool> pa, that means nautilus is mounting it itself, so its not an automount
[12:00] <ohcibi> if its visible in nautilus without the eject button its not mounted but only available
[12:00] <pa> ok
[12:00] <ohcibi> i.e. pugged in
[12:00] <ohcibi> plugged
[12:00] <pa> then it seems not
[12:00] <ohcibi> the question was
[12:00] <ohcibi> does that happen on a fresh system?
[12:00] <pa> mine  is pretty fresh
[12:00] <ohcibi> i.e. not the one you are working with but one that got freshly instaled with no additional software
[12:00] <pa> i can try
[12:00] <ohcibi> well pretty fresh isn't fresh, isn't it?
[12:00] <pa> like with a live
[12:01] <ohcibi> yea
[12:01] <theoceaniscool> ohcibi, AFAIK, thats the default configuration
[12:01] <ohcibi> if it mounts on a livestick, i'd rather fix my system instead of trying self brewn solutions
[12:01] <ohcibi> theoceaniscool: to not automount?
[12:01] <theoceaniscool> ohcibi, Yes
[12:01] <ohcibi> we have 2 worksations with xubuntu 16.10 and they both automount
[12:02] <pa> im on 16.04 btw
[12:02] <theoceaniscool> ohcibi, with ubuntu (at least in my experience), it doesn't
[12:02] <pa> i checked with dconf-editor and the automount is set to true
[12:02] <pa> but it doesn't work
[12:03] <ohcibi> it seems that the bevhiour is different for ubuntu vs xubuntu
[12:03] <ohcibi> https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Automount/
[12:03] <ohcibi> idk if there is an english version
[12:04] <ohcibi> but it explains how to enable automount for gnome/unity
[12:04] <ohcibi> on ubuntu
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:09] <Speiros> Hi there BluesKaj:)
[12:26] <pa> solved
[12:26] <pa> so it seems ubuntu does automount
[12:26] <pa> only in unity
[12:26] <pa> in plasma there is its own (much more granular) automount settings
[12:27] <pa> which are off by default
[12:28] <k1l> ubuntu uses nautilus filebrowser and gvfs for automount. if you use kde i dont know if they use those gnome projects.
[12:33] <schtiehve> Trying to install Ubuntu on a 32bit EFI system getting the errror "Failed to install grub-efi-ia32 to /target/" anybody got an idea what to do?
[12:37] <royal_screwup21> I have a .zip folder and want to extract some files out of it through the command line. How do I do that?
[12:38] <hateball> royal_screwup21: man unzip
[12:40] <royal_screwup21> Cool, thanks hateball!
[12:42] <royal_screwup21> I have a folder named "The abcdefgh". After typing in "The " (along with the space) and pressing TAB, my desired folder doesn't show up. How do I remedy this?
[12:43] <Ben64> royal_screwup21: you need to escape the space, do "The\ <TAB>"
[12:44] <Ntemis> hi
[12:44] <Ntemis> i have some issues with ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[12:44] <Ntemis> any resulution?
[12:44] <Ntemis> resolution
[12:46] <royal_screwup21> Ben65 so: "The\ abc<TAB>"
[12:46] <royal_screwup21> Ben64*
[12:46] <Ben64> if you like
[12:47] <k1l> Ntemis: what issue
[12:47] <royal_screwup21> Ben64 it's still not showing up. :/ (the folder is question is a .zip if that matters at all)
[12:47] <royal_screwup21> in*
[12:48] <Ntemis> k1l: package cant download andale32.exe missing
[12:48] <Ben64> royal_screwup21: folders can't be a zip file
[12:48] <k1l> royal_screwup21: a folder cant be in zip format. that is not a folder, its a zip package then
[12:48] <k1l> royal_screwup21: so you need to extract it first with the unzip tool.
[12:49] <royal_screwup21> k1l: Oh, okay, thanks!
[12:50] <birne> Hi people. Is it possible to make a hotkey for several commands in a row? At "keyboard" on xubuntu 16.04 I got for example "Alt+Y" for "exo-open --launch WebBrowser". Can I make several commands in a row for ONE shortcut? It doesn't work with a , or ;
[12:52] <schtiehve> birne: you could write a script an then just assign the hotkey to launching the script
[12:57] <birne> schtiehve: thank you. that seems to be a pretty cool solution. Could you help me a bit with this please?
[12:58] <birne> my first command is "xdotool mousemove xy xy", then, as the second command: "xdotool click 1"
[12:58] <royal_screwup21> I have this folder in my downloads: "the xyz [720p]". Inside this is the mp4 file (the movie). How do I extract the movie from folder through the terminal?
[12:58] <Ben64> birne: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-2.html
[12:59] <birne> Ben64: ty! =)
[12:59] <n1lqj> need help with Ubuntu server, I normally run debian
[13:00] <n1lqj> my path is backwards and does not match /etc/environment path, completely different
[13:01] <Ben64> n1lqj: what's the actual issue
[13:01] <k1l> Ntemis: can you show the full error on paste.ubuntu.com and show the link here?
[13:02] <Ntemis> sure
[13:02] <n1lqj> I placed updated personal binary in /usr/local/bin and system binary in /usr/bin is running in lieu of because path is backwards
[13:03] <Ntemis> k1l: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23770211/
[13:03] <k1l> Ntemis: ubuntu 16.04?
[13:04] <birne> Are there certain commands for "ctrl a", "ctrl x" and "ctrl v" on ubuntu? For example ctrl v   is a part of my script but I don't know the command behind it
[13:04] <Ntemis> yeap
[13:04] <Ben64> n1lqj: should be putting personal binaries in ~/bin
[13:04] <n1lqj> No, this is a system wide implementation
[13:04] <Ben64> birne: ctrl a, ctrl x, and ctrl v
[13:05] <birne> these are the shortcuts, but I meant the commands for it
[13:05] <Ben64> n1lqj: sounds like you're doing something funky
[13:05] <Ben64> birne: that doesn't make sense
[13:05] <Herbalist> Select All, Cut, Paste
[13:06] <n1lqj> I patched ssh utilities to include no encryption, but don't want to replace rest of ssh package in aptitude
[13:06] <Ben64> yep, funky
[13:07] <birne> look: there is a field I go to with "xdotool mousemove 1800 500", then I click into the window with "xdotool click 1", and then I want to paste a new text into this window with the command for ctrl v
[13:07] <n1lqj> sorry closed window.  Yeah, I am working in a jursidiction where encryption is illegal
[13:07] <birne> but I don't know the command :/
[13:07] <Ben64> birne: it's ctrl v
[13:07] <Ben64> there is no command
[13:07] <birne> okay
[13:07] <birne> thanks
[13:08] <birne> can I use ctrl v in the script? in a new line then "ctrl v"?
[13:08] <k1l> Ntemis: seems like the redirect of sourceforce is the issue.
[13:08] <Ben64> birne: i'm probably going to regret this, but why are you using xdotool to do this weird stuff
[13:09] <Herbalist> lookup the commands in your scripting language
[13:09] <Ntemis> yes but i compile from source and system reports me i dont have freetype 2 :)
[13:09] <n1lqj> so my question is where is path set prior to profile.d?
[13:09] <birne> for binary options in order to "put" and "call" via shortcuts, because it's more comfortable
[13:09] <k1l> Ntemis: "wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/m/msttcorefonts/ttf-mscorefonts-installer_3.6_all.deb -P ~/Downloads"
[13:10] <k1l> Ntemis: and then: "sudo apt install ~/Downloads/ttf-mscorefonts-installer_3.6_all.deb"
[13:10] <Ben64> n1lqj: i can't reproduce what you're saying, check ~/.profile
[13:10] <WACOMalt_> Hi everyone. I'm on Ubuntu server 14.04 LTS and I'm trying to install openvpn and easyrsa. I'm getting an error I'm not sure how to solve. http://pastie.org/pastes/10988785/text unmet dependencies.
[13:11] <n1lqj> I did .profile PATH=$PATH:/....  so it is upstream from there.  The path is literally backwards, but root is okay and matches correct order in /etc/envi*
[13:11] <Ntemis> k1l: ty
[13:11] <n1lqj> I'm greping etc for path= and searching for it
[13:11] <Ntemis> i used dpkg
[13:11] <Ben64> n1lqj: just fix it in .profile ?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> WACOMalt_, that url doesm't resolve here
[13:13] <Ben64> birne: man xdotool
[13:13] <birne> Sorry what do you mean?
[13:13] <Ben64> birne: teaches you how to use xdotool
[13:13] <n1lqj> I guess I could just seems like a bandaid, I was wondering what was actually wrong
[13:13] <birne> a okay
[13:13] <birne> thanks!
[13:14] <Ben64> n1lqj: what you're describing isn't happening on any of my systems so i'm guessing it's something non-standard
[13:15] <n1lqj> Digital Ocean Ubuntu Server
[13:15] <n1lqj> lol
[13:15] <Ben64> yep, non standard
[13:16] <n1lqj> I'm finding wierdness with DO's implementations
[13:16] <n1lqj> in general
[13:16] <n1lqj> they run their own repo's for ubuntu
[13:17] <Ben64> that's pretty normal
[13:17] <Ben64> saves tons of bw
[13:28] <zamanf> I wonder what's the best way to encrypt an external usb disk with strong algorithms like SHA512
[13:29] <JP___> Best way to make your data 100% sure is to throw your hard drive into the fiery lava of mordor
[13:29] <JP___> :)
[13:30] <zamanf> This is what I usually do - what if I am not around Mordor?
[13:31] <JP___> Lol, i am actually also interrested in the awnser.... Cause i don't know yet
[13:31] <n1lqj> zamanf I would put it on vfat32 and make a single large file mount it as a loop device and go that route
[13:31] <n1lqj> that way, you can always move encrypted image to another drive from any machine
[13:32] <zamanf> this is quite smart I have to say
[13:32] <JP___> I actually want a program/code that can wipe my harddrive when someone tries to log in
[13:32] <JP___> Lemme google first
[13:32] <zamanf> n1lqj, any guides?
[13:33] <n1lqj> dd if=/dev/zero of=upload_test bs=file_size count=1
[13:34] <n1lqj> makes blank file size of HD image
[13:35] <n1lqj> up_test would be name of image.img
[13:36] <n1lqj> then you can run mkfs.whatever on image.img
[13:37] <zamanf> n1lqj, I appreciate your input - but I am looking for a detailed way to do it - since I am not very familiar with this technique I will like some details to explain few things
[13:38] <n1lqj> I have done it but not with encryption
[13:38] <ioria> zamanf, you want to erase or encrypt  a removable device ?
[13:38] <n1lqj> in short, make blank file, mount it, format it, and then I assume encrypt it
[13:39] <zamanf> you are creating a big file and mounting this file as a filesystem
[13:39] <zamanf> I want to encrypt
[13:39] <ioria> zamanf,  use Disks (gnome-disks)
[13:39] <ioria> zamanf,  or for details https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemsOnRemovableStorage
[13:40] <zamanf> ioria, I am looking for SHA512 encryption
[13:40] <n1lqj> ioria, encrypt it.  He wants to encrypt removable HD, I suggested format fvat32 and make large volume and mount image so he can always move encrypted file to another hd from any machine
[13:40] <n1lqj> incase of drive trouble
[13:40] <n1lqj> or wanting to back it up
[13:59] <tim_> Use truescrypt
[14:00] <tim_> VeraCrypt (but I'm pretty sure its maintained by the NSA so you are better off with the older version of truescrypt 7.1a
[14:03] <Southern_Gentlem> tim prove it
[14:05] <HexaChop> Hello everyone! I am back!
[14:06] <cookie4700> wb
[14:06] <HexaChop> Speiros, you there?
[14:06] <tatertots> HexaChop: make any progress?
[14:06] <HexaChop> ioria, you there/
[14:07] <HexaChop> tatertors, drivers are installed now, but I get no login screen while booting neither any loading screen...
[14:07] <HexaChop> tatertots, drivers are installed now, but I get no login screen while booting neither any loading screen...
[14:08] <k1l> HexaChop: what driver is installed? war there some error? what kernel parameter is in use now?
[14:08] <tatertots> HexaChop: what kind of screen do you get?
[14:08] <HexaChop> tatertots, I got a CD pack (DVD-R) for installing OS's.
[14:08] <HexaChop> k1l, NVIDIA drivers. What kernel parameter?
[14:09] <k1l> HexaChop: which exactly. details matter a lot
[14:09] <HexaChop> k1l what is a parameter you are talking about, mate?
[14:09] <k1l> HexaChop: the parameters you start your kernel with. like nomodeset etc.
[14:09] <blackflow> Hello. Is it possible to confine process running inside LXD containers, with AppArmor? I'm reading conflicting information about it... anyone doing it successfully?
[14:10] <HexaChop> k1l I did use nouveau.modeset 0, but it got reset, because it was one-time-boot thing. Right now I booted normally using GRUB, because I have Windows installed, too.
[14:10] <k1l> HexaChop: the kernel modes are not related to using dualboot.
[14:11] <HexaChop> k1l, I know, but just saying. I was not changing anything this time round. Windows and Linux are in their respective HDDs/SSDs.
[14:12] <k1l> HexaChop: its very important for solving your issues to know which kernel modes were used when you boot the ubuntu and what happens. so if you change something there you might get a different result. if you dont tell us, we can only guess what happend to get that result. maybe its the wrong conclusion making more mess then
[14:13] <HexaChop> k1l, I changed nothing, I didn't use E this time. I did boot earlier using E, but not this time round. I just instead of quiet spash added nouveau.modeset=0.
[14:14] <k1l> and you could not login because you just saw a black screen?
[14:14] <tatertots> HexaChop: so can you access a virtual console/virtual terminal when you boot linux?
[14:15] <k1l> can you boot a live-usb and get us the xorg.log and dmesg file from the /var/log/ folder from that harddrive where ubuntu is installed?
[14:15] <HexaChop> k1l, instead of seeing black screen, I see purple screen andwithout authentication it puts me straight into Linux desktop.
[14:15] <tatertots> HexaChop: doesn't sound like you have a very usable linux installation otherwise
[14:15] <HexaChop> k1l, I am in ubuntu right now.
[14:16] <k1l> HexaChop: ok, i thought you could not boot ubuntu at all.
[14:16] <k1l> HexaChop: so you got autologin enabled?
[14:16] <HexaChop> tatertots, I was afraid you might say that, that is why I got a pack of DVD-Rs.
[14:16] <HexaChop> k1l, yep, but for some reason I do not get booting loading screen...
[14:17] <k1l> HexaChop: as i said the last days: some video card drivers have issue and cant show the booting screen.
[14:17] <hateball> HexaChop: because nvidia drivers doesnt support KMS
[14:17] <hateball> well, they kind of do with the latest ones, you can grab them from PPA
[14:17] <k1l> HexaChop: but when the system works i would not mind that and start to fiddle with it and make again a mess out of my system
[14:18] <hateball> but you still need to add a kernel parameter to explicitly use KMS. even then it doesnt have high resolution support
[14:18] <BluesKaj> DKMS works fine with nvidia
[14:18] <tatertots> HexaChop: and you haven't installed inxi yet to make for less repeated requests for information?
[14:18] <hateball> BluesKaj: DKMS and KMS are not the same thing tho :)
[14:19] <BluesKaj> yes but DKMS is what really counts hateball
[14:20] <HexaChop> tatertors inxi?
[14:20] <HexaChop> tatertots, inxi? **
[14:22] <HexaChop> k1l, hateball, I did run ubuntu on previous system with NVIDIA card and everything worked fine, so I doubt that that is the problem.
[14:22] <BluesKaj> HexaChop, have you tried a complete reinstall? ...seems you've had nothing but problems for 3 days now
[14:23] <tatertots> HexaChop: yeah, i notice how often you're asked questions that either get no answer at all because you don't have the information or a vague answer at best
[14:24] <HexaChop> tatertots, I have a feeling you're pissed at me.
[14:24] <k1l> HexaChop: this exact hardware? thought you said it was a new pc
[14:25] <HexaChop> k1l, It is a new PC but I am not a first-time ubuntu user.
[14:26] <k1l> HexaChop: so i dont see why you compare the old hardware with the new one, when i already said this issue of not having a proper loading screen is related to specific video cards and video drivers.
[14:27] <HexaChop> k1l, hmm, so... new GPUs are unable to handle Ubuntu? Hmm, weird...
[14:27] <k1l> HexaChop: its about the driver support for that specific cards.
[14:28] <k1l> HexaChop: and that is not a ubuntu issue, since other distributions use the same drivers.
[14:28] <HexaChop> k1l, I think 2x 1070 has all the support it needs, no?
[14:28] <Satie> Hey guys, can anyone help me? I've forgot my BIOS password. It's a Inspirion 14
[14:28] <k1l> HexaChop: and honestly: if showing a loading screen is your only issue, i think this goes fairly well :)
[14:28] <k1l> HexaChop: no
[14:28] <Satie> Already tried to remove the BIOS battery
[14:28] <BluesKaj> HexaChop, how about running a lspci in the terminal and pastebinning the noutput , so we can all see what you have hardware-wise
[14:29] <k1l> Satie: talk to dell for how to manage that. maybe they have master passwords
[14:29] <Satie> Already tried
[14:29] <Satie> They don't want to help me
[14:29] <cfhowlett> Satie, ask #hardware. this falls way outside of ubuntu support. also see the OEM sits
[14:29] <Satie> The only option is to change my motherboard spending 2k
[14:29] <Satie> Rofl
[14:29] <Satie> Thank you, I'll try
[14:31] <HexaChop> BluesKaj, sure, mate. k1l, you think it is going well? :)
[14:31] <HexaChop> BluesKaj, k1l, http://termbin.com/gxll
[14:32] <HexaChop> ioria, you there? :)
[14:36] <pavlos> HexaChop, regarding inxi, you can "apt install inxi" and it provides h/w info similar to lshw
[14:36] <BluesKaj> HexaChop, which nvidia driver did you install?
[14:37] <dang> dang
[14:37] <HexaChop> BluesKaj, how can I check, I don't really remember.
[14:38] <hateball> HexaChop: open up nvidia-settings, it's on the first page
[14:38] <HexaChop> hateball, OK, thanks. :)
[14:39] <HexaChop> BluesKaj, hateball, 375.26
[14:39] <HexaChop> !ping
[14:39] <BluesKaj> HexaChop, so you do have a desktop...why did I think you didn't have one
[14:40] <HexaChop> BluesKaj, IDK, what did you thought I had? :D
[14:40] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> a TTY/VT and irssi as your irc client
[14:41] <HexaChop> BluesKaj, what are thooose?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> ok NM HexaChop ..you seem to be running ubuntu just fine now
[14:42] <BluesKaj> !irssi | HexaChop
[14:42] <dangor> ?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> !VT
[14:42] <ingive> how can i improve chromium performance?
[14:42] <HexaChop> BluesKaj, KK, thanks, but what is TTY/VT?
[14:42] <dangor> ?
[14:42] <cfhowlett> ingive, ask #mozilla
[14:43] <ingive> mozilla?
[14:43] <cfhowlett> dangor, this is ubuntu support.  Ms. Cleo is dead, so you have to actually ask your question to get answers
[14:43] <cfhowlett> ingive, sorry, channeling firefox.  ask #google
[14:44] <Gigital> How do I burn an ISO in Ubuntu 16.04? I don't see "Write to Disc" when I right click on the ISO I want to burn/
[14:44] <ingive> well ubuntu is probably highly relevant when it comes to application performance?
[14:44] <cfhowlett> !usb | Gigital
[14:44] <BluesKaj> virtual terminal aka TTY ,  ctl+alt +F1-F6, check it out inj a serch, HexaChop, since there' no infobot for it
[14:44] <Gigital> ubottu, not relevant to what I am asking.
[14:44] <cfhowlett> ingive, errr no. ubuntu is the OS. you asked about a specific app - an app made by google so ....
[14:45] <HexaChop> ioria seems very AFK
[14:45] <pavlos> HexaChop, tty virtual terminals (c-s-F1 up to F6) ... your gui is at c-s-F7
[14:45] <ingive> ok, how do i optimize ubuntu to increase application performance?
[14:45] <cfhowlett> Gigital, you asked how to make a bootable Ubuntu USB - exactly what that link describes
[14:45] <HexaChop> pavlos, you just talked pure gibberish to me. :(
[14:45] <Gigital> I didn't
[14:45] <HexaChop> ubottu, are you smart?
[14:46] <Gigital> I want to burn an ISO to DVD
[14:46] <HexaChop> !ping
[14:46] <cfhowlett> ingive, turn off screen effects for starters, close browser tabs
[14:46] <ingive> i'm running XFCE right now don't think there are screen effects and i am testing with 1-2 tabs
[14:47] <cfhowlett> ingive, also on xfce. what are your hardware specifications?
[14:47] <Gigital> Can I do that out of the box or do I need to install third party software for that?
[14:47] <ingive> i think it has something to do with my driver, on another hdd i installed ubuntu and performance is worse there
[14:47] <HexaChop> k1l, I can't boot ubuntu with CD-Drive plugged in...
[14:47] <Gigital> I want to burn an ISO
[14:48] <Fira> Hey guys... I installed Ubuntu 16.04 Xenial on a fresh laptop, linked it to AD with sssd/adcli/samba/krb5, apt-get upgrade'd... but gdm3 won't launch, and when i login into gnome from lightdm, it just crashes and i get a bunch of SIGTRAP/SIGSEGVs in dmesg. I'm confused...
[14:48] <pavlos> HexaChop, c-s-F1 is control shift F1
[14:48] <Fira> Any advice ._. ?
[14:48] <HexaChop> pavlos, does nothing.
[14:49] <Fira> it's ctrl-alt-F1
[14:49] <Fira> not ctrl-shift-F1
[14:49] <Gigital> can someone help me please?
[14:49] <cfhowlett> !patience | Gigital
[14:49] <BluesKaj> pavlos,ctl+alt+F1-F6
[14:49] <BluesKaj> not shift
[14:50] <ptytty> a;t+f1-f6
[14:50] <ptytty> alt+f1-f6
[14:50] <pavlos> HexaChop, BluesKaj is right, sorry
[14:51] <Fira> cool, crashes are different on local users and domain users... ugh. what's going on ._.
[14:51] <BluesKaj> ptytty, stop that
[14:51] <kaladin> Hello everyone
[14:51] <kaladin> So I am thinking of giving up my new laptop Acer Swift 3
[14:51] <kaladin> and getting one that will run Ubuntu basically without the crazy struggle I have been going through
[14:51] <kaladin> Does anyone know of any metal finish laptops that I can run Ubuntu on non-mac?
[14:52] <ptytty> BluesKaj
[14:52] <ptytty> what did i do
[14:52] <BluesKaj> wrong key commands
[14:52] <cfhowlett> kaladin, ask #hardware or #ubuntu-offtopic - not the support channel. thank you and good luck.
[14:52] <tatertots> Fira: does logging in with a local account result in crash also?
[14:52] <ptytty> nice catch
[14:52] <sruli> kaladin: many, i use asus ux303u among others, but thats a nice metal finish (good spec, doesnt come cheap though)
[14:52] <ptytty> show him where the pool is
[14:53] <HexaChop> It just popped in blue faded stripes at the top and that's it., BluesKaj
[14:53] <WildPenguin> guys, which is the fastest and least cpu hungry web browser suitable for Lubuntu?
[14:53] <tatertots> Fira: and the symptom occurs also with the machine removed from the realm?
[14:53] <HexaChop> BluesKaj, were you trying to cause harm, mate?
[14:53] <Fira> tatertots: well it launches, there's no SIGSEGV, but there's a brief error about not being able to write to $HOME and
[14:53] <cfhowlett> WildPenguin, probably the very same that comes with lubuntu
[14:53] <Fira> .....
[14:53] <Fira> why are there things owned by root in ~sysadmin
[14:53] <Fira> ._.
[14:53] <WildPenguin> cfhowlett, Firefox?
[14:53] <ptytty> WildPenguine: build it
[14:54] <cfhowlett> WildPenguin, you're on lubuntu - look for yourself
[14:54] <Fira> tatertots: i'll try kicking it out of realm and get that working before joining back i guess
[14:54] <BluesKaj> HexaChop, I have no idea what you mean
[14:54] <WildPenguin> I am having some problem with Firefox.
[14:54] <tatertots> Fira: open terminal
[14:54] <HexaChop> BluesKaj, I throwed me some blue lines that were fading and PC froze...
[14:54] <kaladin> sruli: Thank you, did you have any difficulties installing?  I couldn't find anything non-certified without them being dell basically
[14:54] <tatertots> Fira: realm list|nc termbin.com 9999
[14:54] <WildPenguin> Just two or three tabs open and already the cpu usage has shot up to 100%
[14:54] <cfhowlett> !browser | WildPenguin
[14:55] <HexaChop> blueskaj, it throwed me*
[14:55] <BluesKaj> HexaChop,what throwed you as you put it?
[14:55] <WildPenguin> is chromium lighter than Firefox?
[14:55] <dangor> how to install ubuntu-tweak ?
[14:55] <sruli> kaladin: no problems installing...
[14:55] <cfhowlett> dangor, sudo apt install ubuntu-tweak
[14:56] <WildPenguin> I feel like throwing away my laptop, when I am browsing. Even on Lubuntu.
[14:56] <HexaChop> BluesKaj, I hit ALT + CTRL + F1 and then a glitchy line appeared that caused my PC to freeze.
[14:56] <cfhowlett> WildPenguin, some say so
[14:56] <ptytty> WildPenguine: uninstall reinstall backup all needed bookmarks data cache et al.
[14:56] <WildPenguin> ptytty, what do I need to reinstall?
[14:56] <kaladin> sruli: it looks really nice, saw some yogabooks and such as long as it is stable I think I may look into it
[14:57] <ptytty> firefox if you have a problem that you cant trace yourself
[14:57] <Gigital> thanks for your help folks, NOT
[14:58] <merlino> how to save a ipset file on ubuntu, ipset save > file.txt after reboot the file is lost
[14:58] <BluesKaj> HexaChop, that coomand should give a virtual terminal login prompt , if you know what that means
[14:58] <WildPenguin> ptytty, I installed Lubuntu just a few days back.
[14:58] <sruli> kaladin: its not on the certified list works a treat, if you want certified https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop/
[14:58] <pavlos> dangor, which ubuntu release?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> HexaChop, perhaps a little study about linux commands and terminals is required on your part
[14:59] <ptytty> WildPenguin: ps -eLf | grep
[14:59] <WildPenguin> ptytty, what is that?
[15:00] <ptytty> open terminal: man ps 1
[15:00] <HexaChop> BluesKaj, it gave me NOTHING, just a glitchy screen and a freeze.
[15:00] <black> Fira Maybe something owned by root, but you are users
[15:01] <dangor> Ubuntu 16.04
[15:01] <HexaChop> BluesKaj, some sort of weird glitch, maybe I should re-install since now I have CDs for that but I can't run ubuntu with CD-ROM plugged in...
[15:01] <BluesKaj> HexaChop, then try the command with F2 instead
[15:01] <dangor> sudo apt install ubuntu-tweak don`t work
[15:01] <ptytty> HexaChop: ctrl+alt+F1-F6 F7 closes the tty
[15:01] <WildPenguin> will install chromium and try.
[15:01] <AnxController> ,3+
[15:02] <pavlos> dangor, see this page http://askubuntu.com/questions/75454/how-do-i-install-ubuntu-tweak, a reply marked 8 adds a ppa, update, then install
[15:02] <merlino> anyone here got ipset set up on ubuntu
[15:02] <HexaChop> ptytty, what do you mean? could you please explain?
[15:04] <ptytty> HexaChop: it opens a virtual tty you 6 of the CTRL+ALT+F1 to F6 open tty1-tty6 ctrl_alt_F7 closes the current tty. does it crash or what is happening it could be a grub issue
[15:06] <HexaChop> ptytty it worked! thanks!
[15:06] <ptytty> kewl
[15:06] <HexaChop> BluesKaj, what you told me to do, mate?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> HexaChop, nevermind I'm done
[15:08] <ptytty> the "man" command gives you the manual
[15:08] <HexaChop> BluesKaj, OK then, I am sorry to see you go but of course you choose to help or not...
[15:10] <ptytty> HexaChop: need any more help
[15:10] <HexaChop> ptytty, what am I supposed to do with that manual? BluesKaj just quit, I am at a loss, I am a Windows guy. I am willing to learn about linux but I can see how that could be impossible...
[15:11] <ptytty> HexaChop: http://www.tldp.org/ The Linux Documentation Project
[15:12] <ptytty> HexaChop: the "man" command give you the manual pages for indivual commands.
[15:12] <dangor> I see this page http://askubuntu.com/questions/75454/how-do-i-install-ubuntu-tweak
[15:12] <merlino> just stock here with a ubuntu server, ubuntu just runs its own way
[15:12] <dangor> it isn`t work
[15:13] <cfhowlett> dangor, 6 year old instructions - things change
[15:13] <HexaChop> Why people has no patience these days....
[15:13] <merlino> ipset save banthis -f banthis.txt should save the ipset file but not on ubuntu
[15:13] <HexaChop> cfhowlett, maybe you could help?
[15:14] <ptytty> cfhowlett: the tldp.org?
[15:15] <cfhowlett> ptytty, ?  I did not suggest that nor did I offer any input on your situation.
[15:15] <merlino> can not find anything on how to save a ipset file on ubuntu.... just not very sexy ubuntu
[15:16] <ptytty> cfhowlett: i got confused
[15:16] <HexaChop> cfhhowlett, I need help with ubuntu boot loading screen not showing up.
[15:16] <ptytty> HexaChop: GRUB
[15:16] <HexaChop> ptytty, what about it?
[15:17] <ptytty> HexaChop: anything like this, http://askubuntu.com/questions/162075/my-computer-boots-to-a-black-screen-what-options-do-i-have-to-fix-it
[15:18] <HexaChop> ptytty, no, I get purple screen and put straight into linux desktop.
[15:18] <merlino> HexaChop why not try with Manjaro
[15:18] <HexaChop> merlino, with what?
[15:18] <merlino> Manjaro Linux
[15:18] <ptytty> HexaChop: and you dont have a username password to login?
[15:18] <cfhowlett> merlino, suggesting other OS's is fairly troll behavior.  stop it.
[15:18] <merlino> sure more happy then with ubi...
[15:19] <Menzador> HexaChop: Did you try hitting the ESC key when you saw the "purple screen"?
[15:19] <merlino> i know.... but there is no way other then this
[15:19] <cfhowlett> HexaChop, do you have to enter a password?
[15:20] <ptytty> cpu booting super fast looks like it skips boot screen but doesnt need to wait?
[15:20] <HexaChop> cfhowlett, ptytty, when booting up, no, because I have auto-login enabled.
[15:20] <ptytty> anyone else think its that
[15:20] <cfhowlett> HexaChop, right. so turn that off
[15:20] <ptytty> so all your not seeing is the buntu logo et, al
[15:21] <HexaChop> menzador, ptytty, cfhowlett, I can upload a pic I have when it does load the loading screen rarely.
[15:21] <HexaChop> menzador, ptytty, cfhowlett, It loads halfway too...
[15:22] <Menzador> HexaChop: Go ahead and drop it in Imgur and we'll look at it
[15:22] <ptytty> HexaChop: add bash forkbomm at starup & remove ulimits
[15:22] <ptytty> you will probably see your splash screen
[15:22] <Menzador> ^ Not necessarily.
[15:22] <Menzador> Plymouth (the splash screen) doesn't always display correctly or at all, depending on your GPU.
[15:23] <HexaChop> Menzador, imgur is not uploading for me...
[15:23] <ptytty> HexaChop: your having a bad time
[15:24] <HexaChop> ptytty where to add what (sorry for being tedious and annoying, I am absolute raw-green on linux...
[15:24] <ptytty> HexaChop: Menzador could be correct
[15:24] <FilipNortic_> Never liked splash screens, always rather see if there is anayhing wrong at boot by looking at the boot up procs
[15:25] <ptytty> if you did what i said you cpu probs wouldnt boot past a certain point
[15:25] <ptytty> remove plymouth and get post & boot procs
[15:26] <HexaChop> ptytty, where to add bashj forkbomm?
[15:26] <HexaChop> ptytty, how to remove it?
[15:27] <ptytty> HexaChop: LuLz
[15:27] <ptytty> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth
[15:28] <cfhowlett> ptytty, remove plymouth?!  no that is NOT a solution.
[15:28] <ptytty> if you need info on x11 as its on that page try (man x) on cli
[15:28] <ptytty> HUH WHYY
[15:28] <ptytty> :p
[15:29] <cfhowlett> and did you actually suggest using a forkbomb?!
[15:29] <ptytty> cfhowlett: who me?
[15:30] <HexaChop> cfhowlett is wanting to ruin my system
[15:31] <HexaChop> cfhowlett ?
[15:31] <cfhowlett> HexaChop, I didn't tell you to forkbomm.
[15:31] <ptytty> HexaChop: yeah it was cfhowlett
[15:32] <ptytty> cfhowlett: why you know what that would do
[15:32] <HexaChop> cfhowlett, no, is ptytty trying to ruin my system?
[15:32] <cfhowlett> HexaChop, he is
[15:32] <ptytty> no i was joking guys
[15:32] <cfhowlett> !ops | ptytty forkbomb suggestions
[15:32] <HexaChop> cfhowlett, report him please?
[15:33] <cfhowlett> ptytty, you are not funny and your behavior violates channel guidelines.  STOP immediately or leave
[15:33] <tzfrs> Hi guys. Do you know of problems regarding Ubuntu 16.04 and Thunderbolt 3/USB-C?
[15:33] <ptytty> so i cant say forkbomb
[15:33] <cfhowlett> HexaChop, you're on 16.04?
[15:33] <tzfrs> I can't connect my notebook with a monitor, and someone told me, that it is because Ubuntu doesn't support USB Type C/Thunderbolt 3