[00:03] <leleobhz> [29/01-07:27:49] < leleobhz> leleobhz@dsp2:~$ sudo ld -Bdynamic -r -lxview -lolgx
[00:03] <leleobhz> [29/01-07:27:49] < leleobhz> ld: cannot find -lxview
[00:03] <leleobhz> [29/01-07:39:48] < persia> leleobhz, Do you also have the -dev packages installed?  Can you find the libraries manually (in /usr/lib)?
[00:03] <leleobhz> persia: dpkg -i shows the file
[00:03] <leleobhz> ive installed xviewg and xviewg-dev
[00:03] <Laney> Piratenaapje: Nice work, sorry for leaving without saying
[00:03] <Laney> I couldn't have sponsored anyway, so subscribing u-u-s is the right way to go
[00:09] <nhandler> Piratenaapje: What is the bug?
[00:29] <TheMuso>  /c
[00:31] <_16aR_> A new version of fsniper is out ... I think it is near to be advocated
[00:32] <_16aR_> check it out :p : http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=fsniper
[00:32] <_16aR_> REVU it out may be more appropriate :)
[02:26] <nschembr> can anyone talk about speakup
[02:27] <nschembr> how about orca
[02:34] <leleobhz> someone can help-me about the use of dynamic libs?
[02:35] <leleobhz> i need to compile a program that uses -lxview
[02:35] <leleobhz> the xviewg and xviewg-dev packages are installed, but ld cannot find it
[02:36] <leleobhz> leleobhz@dsp2:~$ ld -Bdynamic -r -lxview
[02:36] <leleobhz> ld: cannot find -lxview
[02:56] <jmarsden|work> leleobhz: The libxview* libraries are in /usr/lib, right?  Check they are there...?
[02:56] <leleobhz> yes, its there
[02:56] <leleobhz> installed using ubuntu packages
[02:56] <leleobhz> but i have now a harder problem
[02:57] <leleobhz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/treetool/+bug/137847
[02:57] <leleobhz> this bug affects me
[02:58] <jmarsden|work> So they should be fine... as a test, check sudo ldconfig -v | grep xview  maybe... another issue... hmmm.  I'm not going to fix a bug live on IRC, I don't think :)
[02:58] <leleobhz> jmarsden|work: well, i dont think if the big problem is the bug
[02:59] <leleobhz> this is a VERY old bug (from debian)
[02:59] <leleobhz> xview lib simply dont work in amd64 arch?
[03:00] <jmarsden|work> OK... can we sort out the linker issue first, maybe?  Did   sudo ldconfig -v | grep xview    give you any output?
[03:01] <jmarsden|work> I've never used them, but rmadison says: xviewg | 3.2p1.4-21.1ubuntu2 | intrepid/universe | amd64
[03:02] <jmarsden|work> So they should be there and work.
[03:05] <jmarsden|work> It was dropped from Debian back in 2005... but someone built and tested xviewg for Ubuntu more recently than that...
[03:08] <leleobhz> jmarsden|work: im searching and i think is a sw bug
[03:09] <jmarsden|work> OK... then it doesn't matter why you can't link to them, I suppose!
[03:11] <jmarsden|work> Can anyone point me to an example of a package where the source tarball has to be made using a get-orig-source rule that drops some files from the upstream source tarball?
[03:13] <RAOF> jmarsden|work: gnome-do-plugins
[03:14] <jmarsden|work> Thanks.  If I can figure that out, I may have a package I can beg for sponsors for during REVU day tomorrow :)
[04:38] <jmarsden|work> I could use help to fix a get-orig-source rule that isn't working: debian/rules at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/111551/
[04:39] <jmarsden|work> I think the issue may be with a $(dir(_)) Make macro ??
[04:43] <jmarsden|work> Ah... never mind, now I understand what is happening... well, at least better than before...
[04:57]  * hyperair wonders whether revu day has started yet
[04:59] <henrik-hw0> hyperair: i guess revu day has started in tokyo and hong kong at least. ;)
[05:00] <hyperair> i'm in the same timezone as hong kong =p
[05:00] <hyperair> just further south
[05:00] <hyperair> but are there MOTUs which do reviews in japan and hong kong (and countries north and south of it)?
[05:01] <ajmitch> there are some in australia
[05:04] <hyperair> ah right
[06:13] <nosferatuzz> hi
[06:14] <nosferatuzz> someone speaks Spanish ?
[06:15] <dholbach> good morning
[06:16] <meanburrito9201> late evening here
[06:17] <nosferatuzz> someone speaks Spanish ?
[06:17] <dholbach> nosferatuzz: the guys in #ubuntu-es surely do! :-)
[06:18] <nosferatuzz> I have a question about the protection WAP
[06:18] <dholbach> try #ubuntu-es - maybe they can help
[06:19] <nosferatuzz> ok
[06:24] <iulian> Hiya dholbach.
[06:26] <dholbach> hiya iulian
[06:26] <dholbach> hi nellery
[06:26] <nellery> hi dholbach
[06:26] <dholbach> how are you guys doing?
[06:33]  * iulian is doing good.
[06:33] <iulian> My bloody back hurts but I'm fine.
[06:33]  * iulian drinks his tea.
[06:34]  * ScottK notes that the Europeans are waking up, so maybe he should go to bed.
[06:34] <iulian> Hiya ScottK.
[06:34] <ScottK> Hello iulian.
[06:34] <savvas> nellery: ( medigeek from http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=fspy ) I didn't see a launchpad bug open for fspy, I just uploaded the source for sharing :)
[06:35] <savvas> or.. are we allowed to open bugs for our packages?
[06:35] <nellery> savvas: you should open a new needs-packaging bug
[06:35] <ScottK> You should open a needs-packaging bug
[06:35] <savvas> okie dokie
[06:38] <savvas> another question for debian, how do you tag a bug with patch? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473781
[06:39] <savvas> I tried tags 473781 +patch and Tags: patch, neither seemed to have worked
[06:41] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debian/Usertagging
[06:41] <dholbach> has more info
[06:42] <savvas> thanks
[06:42] <ScottK> dholbach: Tag patch is not a usertag.
[06:42] <dholbach> ScottK: still it's on that page :)
[06:43] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.
[06:43] <iulian> mok0: Are you taking care of bug #322205?  May I unsubscribe the universe sponsors?
[06:43] <iulian> Ahh, I've just noticed he isn't online.
[06:44] <ScottK> savvas: You might also look into the bts program.  man bts has details.  I find that easier than dealing with mails.
[06:44] <savvas> "using the following pseudo-header" - ScottK: I suppose I can't send pseudo-headers with gmail, can I? :P
[06:44] <ScottK> Probably not.
[06:44] <savvas> oh, will do
[06:44]  * ScottK goes to bed.
[06:45] <savvas> nighty :)
[06:45] <dholbach> sleep tight
[06:45] <savvas> Now back to launchpad :) For a packaging request bug, do I have to use "[needs-packaging]" in the subject?
[06:45] <nellery> savvas: yep
[06:46] <nellery> and tag it with needs-packaging
[06:46] <dholbach> the tag should be enough, but feel free to add it :)
[06:46] <kagou> Hi, i'v made a debdiff for dcraw. Can someone take a look at ?
[06:47] <kagou> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dcraw/+bug/275494
[06:49] <nellery> kagou: subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug
[06:49] <nellery> the process is explained here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[06:49] <kagou> oh thanks nellery
[06:50] <kagou> done :)
[06:52] <iulian> kagou: Unsubscribed universe sponsors and subscribed main sponsors.  The package is in the main component.
[06:52] <kagou> yes indeed iulian i was looking at ;)
[06:56] <kagou> i Thinks it's ok now
[06:57] <jmarsden|work> I'd be grateful if anyone could review my package of webgui: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=webgui
[07:53] <hyperair> anyone free for revu? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=geanyvc and http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=geanyprj
[08:19] <AndrewGee> Any MOTUs available to review my package? I've actually grabbed the new upstream tarball, that was just released, as well as fixing all the issues already commented on. It's osm-gps-map, which is a GTK widget to embed openstreetmap. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=osm-gps-map - Thanks :)
[08:29] <proppy> AndrewGee: is it similar to libchamplain ? http://blog.pierlux.com/projects/libchamplain/en/
[08:29] <AndrewGee> proppy: I believe it is similar, but with python bindings, and less dependencies.
[08:29] <proppy> AndrewGee: thanks for the info :)
[08:29] <proppy> was just curious
[08:29] <AndrewGee> proppy: No problem :)
[08:56] <savvas> how are the manpage files called in debian/ folders? packagename.man ?
[08:57] <DktrKranz> savvas: binaryname.1 (number is man section it refers)
[08:58] <savvas> thanks
[08:59] <DktrKranz> you're welcome :)
[09:00] <hyperair> savvas: don't forget to add them to debian/package.manpages and call dh_installmanpages
[09:28] <henrik-hw0> lintian complains about missing manpage for a script. this script is only intended to start up a daemon, should i even bother?
[09:30] <henrik-hw0> it does not take arguments.
[09:31] <maxb> mysqld_safe has a manpage. Is this script comparable?
[09:34] <henrik-hw0> here it is:
[09:34] <henrik-hw0> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/cdemu-daemon-0812140645/cdemu-daemon-1.1.0/debian/cdemu-daemon.session
[09:37] <maxb> It might be best to write a really really short manpage about it
[09:37] <maxb> I'm not sure
[09:39] <henrik-hw0> i was thinking this is more glue than an actual binary.
[09:39] <maxb> Where's it installed?
[09:39] <henrik-hw0> IIRC /usr/bin/
[09:41] <maxb> I think that probably counts as a program then
[09:42] <maxb> (I'm just guessing though)
[09:42] <maxb> If it were true glue it would go in /usr/lib/packagename/
[09:42] <henrik-hw0> it's part of the packaging. i could easily change it.
[09:43] <maxb> Why does it have a .session extension, is that significant?
[09:44] <maxb> Is this something to do with dbus?
[09:45] <henrik-hw0> indirectly. it loads the deamon at X login session. It communicated via a dbus session bus.
[09:47] <henrik-hw0> i'm going to try and install it in an alternate location.
[09:53] <kagou> Hi huats
[09:56] <huats> hey ka
[09:56] <huats> kagou:
[09:59] <henrik-hw0> maxb: it worked changing location. thanks!
[10:06] <pmjdebruijn> morning
[11:55] <dholbach> "How to run a Bug Jam" session to kick off in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[11:56] <savvas> oh oh oooooh I'm so there!
[11:57] <savvas> er.. does someone know why I didn't get an email about the new source I've sent for http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=fspy ?
[11:58] <savvas> do other subscribers (other than the uploader) get notified about new source packages?
[12:03] <mok01> MOTU meeting is now in #ubuntu-meeting
[12:59] <geser> a quick question: does somebody know a way to list manually installed packages? (either a synaptic filter or a CLI tool)
[12:59] <kagou> geser, "dpkg -l" ?
[13:00] <kagou> oh "manually"
[13:01] <geser> synaptic has a filter option for automatically installed, but I want those which are set to "manually"
[13:01] <kagou> geser, packages can come from official mirror ?
[13:02] <geser> yes
[13:03] <kagou> so i don't see
[13:03] <geser> I guess I need to write a small script to filter /var/lib/apt/extended_states for what I want
[13:08] <persia> geser, There might be a routine in python-apt that parses those
[13:09] <persia> (or rather, a routine that leverages the apt library parsing used by e.g. synaptic)
[13:14] <geser> hmm, 164 packages set to manually installed
[13:23] <jcfp> Any MOTU feeling like earning some revu day karma, please have a go at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sabnzbdplus (binary newsreader, python, second advocate needed)
[13:28] <slytherin> Can anyone help with python options parsing? I need the description of an option to be split in multiple lines. Simply putting \n doesn't help.
[13:28] <hyperair> slytherin: what's up?
[13:28] <slytherin> hyperair: hi
[13:28] <hyperair> slytherin: parsing options?
[13:28] <geser> can you pastebin your current code?
[13:30] <slytherin> geser: give me some time. as it contains too much company specific information. :-)
[13:30] <slytherin> hyperair: yes, command line options. I am writing a download script in python.
[13:31] <jpds> slytherin: Are you using optparse?
[13:31] <hyperair> slytherin: what's the command you're calling?
[13:31] <slytherin> jpds: yes
[13:32] <jpds> slytherin: Just a sec.
[13:33] <jpds> slytherin: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/annotate/head%3A/buildd - lines 56-58 is how I do it.
[13:33] <slytherin> jpds: let me take a look
[13:33] <jpds> optparse does the text wrapping for you.
[13:38] <slytherin> jpds: not working. I am not getting any line break in the help text when it is displayed. Here is how I am doing it - http://paste.ubuntu.com/111670/
[13:43] <soren> slytherin: And what's the output?
[13:43] <thekorn> slytherin, did I get it right, you would like to customize the output shown by yourscript --help?
[13:45] <jpds> slytherin: Hmm, I see. Maybe it would be better to have two boolean options like (--kernel-abc and --kernel-xyz)? Or have an OptionGroup for kernels?
[13:46] <slytherin> thekorn: yes, as in the help message for --kernel should be like this
[13:46] <slytherin> "abc - download abc kernel"
[13:46] <slytherin> "xyz - download xyz kernel"
[13:46] <thekorn> slytherin, in this case you need to subclass optparse.IndentedHelpFormatter and create the OptionParser with the 'formatter=YourFormatter' argument
[13:47] <slytherin> wow, all the suggested solutions looks like too much work to me. Why can't it simply parse \n in the help message and split the message. :-(
[13:48] <slytherin> soren: the output looks like this
[13:48] <slytherin>   -k KERNEL, --kernel=KERNEL
[13:48] <slytherin>                         abc - download abc kernel xyz - download xyz
[13:48] <slytherin>                         kernel[default: xyz]
[13:48] <soren> slytherin: Because OptionParser's help output was explicitly designed to handle line wrapping for you.
[13:51] <slytherin> hmm
[14:01] <anakron> HI all
[14:14] <thekorn> slytherin, no, splitting the help message at '\n' is not hard, only like 5 lines of code and a bit copy and paste from the original formatter class
[14:16] <slytherin> thekorn: will take a look when functionality is complete. :-)
[14:17] <a|wen> oh, this is bad!
[14:17] <a|wen> mplayer FTBFS if i try doing a no change rebuild in jaunty
[14:18] <Laney> a|wen: Hah! And now you've found that out, you must fix it ;)
[14:18] <thekorn> slytherin, ok actually four lines: http://paste.ubuntu.com/111697/
[14:19] <a|wen> Laney: that what was i feared ;)
[14:22] <slytherin> a|wen: what is error?
[14:23] <slytherin> thekorn: thanks for sample code. :-)
[14:23] <a|wen> slytherin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/111703/
[14:24] <slytherin> a|wen: I guess you will need to patch the sources. the error is because of recent change in x264 apis
[14:25] <Laney> a|wen: Yeah, see how they've fixed it in mplayer's SVN
[14:27]  * a|wen goes patch-hunting
[14:37] <AndrewGee> Any MOTUs available to review my package? I've actually grabbed the new upstream tarball, that was just released, as well as fixing all the issues already commented on. It's osm-gps-map, which is a GTK widget to embed openstreetmap. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=osm-gps-map - Thanks :)
[14:42] <a|wen> omg! mplayer is a mess ... all is inline patches :/
[14:51] <Druidika> Hi there. :-)
[14:52] <Druidika> i would like to ask something about building .deb packages, is this ok here?
[14:54] <mok01> Druidika: go ahead
[14:55] <Druidika> ok, sorry for my bad english. it is not my preffered language.
[14:56] <Druidika> ok, ich made a warzone2100.deb but  from source the package looks completly different to the ubuntu ... beta4 Version. i would like to set in the .deb that warzone* have to be uninstalled before my .deb can installed... understood? is this possible?
[14:57] <mok01> Druidika: you can achieve that by clever use of the Conflicts: tag... of course it requires that your package has a different name
[14:57] <mok01> Druidika: and Replaces:
[14:59] <Druidika> it has.... from source it has the name warzone2<IP_ADDRESS>....deb and the ubuntu version is splittet into warzone2100, warzone2100-music and warzone2100-data
[14:59] <ScottK> mok01: Actually the name can be the same if it's versioned.
[14:59] <Druidika> in the control file there is no conflicts tag... could i write it simly in there?
[15:00] <mok01> ScottK, yes you're right
[15:02] <Druidika> sorry, but it is the first time i make a .deb... i've thought bevore i do remove the ubuntu packages and make a make install for me i can simply make a .deb for all
[15:06] <mok01> Druidika: yes you write it in the control file
[15:09] <Druidika> ok, testing... on my eee it takes a time....
[15:10] <slytherin> Druidika: yup
[15:11] <slytherin> nhandler: ping
[15:11] <mok01> Druidika: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces
[15:13] <jmarsden> REVU Day: Any MOTUs who can review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=webgui for me please?  It's a GPLed Perl-based CMS.
[15:20] <Druidika> thx for the link
[15:25] <dolanor> Hello
[15:26] <dolanor> Someone to REVU fsniper package ? Normally it should be advocatable
[15:26] <dolanor> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=fsniper
[15:27] <dolanor> mok01: I've corrected your last command :)
[15:27] <mok01> dolanor: will take a look in a moment
[15:35] <Druidika> hm
[15:36] <Druidika> the dpkg-buildpackage says that binary data has changed.... a make clean doesnt work.... how to clean up?
[15:37] <Druidika> there is no 2nd run possible, how?
[15:39] <Druidika> ok, works again.... warz*.orig.tar.gz deleted.... new run beginns
[15:42] <AndrewGee> mok01: Hi. If you remember, you advocated osm-gps-map a couple of days ago on REVU. Since then, I've grabbed a new upstream tarball and packaged up the python bindings. Is it okay if I ask you to take a look later/whenever? Thanks :) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=osm-gps-map
[15:42] <mok01> AndrewGee: sure
[15:43] <AndrewGee> mok01: Thanks.
[16:01] <dolanor> back
[16:01] <dolanor> mok01: sorry, connection problems
[16:05] <ohervieu> hi all
[16:19] <mok01> fta: ping
[16:22] <hyperair> mok01: how about that review? =p
[16:22] <mok01> hyperair: which package?
[16:22] <mok01> codelite compiled
[16:22] <loic-m> Has any MOTU the time to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=ecm ? It's been reviewed by simrunbasuita and nhandler, and should be in pretty good shape. It's a tool for removing error correction codes to compress iso images better!
[16:23] <hyperair> mok01: awesome!
[16:23] <hyperair> mok01: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=geanyvc
[16:23] <hyperair> and http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=geanyprj
[16:23] <mok01> Ah another one. OK, I am going through the links here as they come up
[16:24] <mok01> Any other MOTUs on the job?
[16:25] <mok01> Apparently not
[16:27] <dolanor> mok01: on my way to finish fsniper ;)
[16:27] <mok01> loic-m: why would you want to remove error-correction-codes? Sounds silly to me
[16:27] <mok01> dolanor: great
[16:28] <loic-m> mok01: because you don't need them on a harddrive
[16:28] <loic-m> keeping them is a waste of space
[16:29] <mok01> loic-m: but if you later decide to burn the iso to CD ...
[16:29] <loic-m> and since they're stuff that doesn't compress well, even compresing the iso doesn't give good results unless removing ECC
[16:29] <loic-m> mok01: they're recreated as identical
[16:29] <loic-m> mok01: it's abit like "flac", but for isos ;)
[16:30] <mok01> I see. Fascinating
[16:30] <jmarsden> How often is it considered polite for me to ask here for a package review during a REVU day?  Every N hours... for what value of N?
[16:31] <mok01> N = 1-2 hours
[16:32] <jmarsden> Thanks.  In that case: Any MOTUs who can review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=webgui for me please?  It's a GPLed Perl-based CMS.
[16:32] <mok01> Your request will be in the scrollback, which many read
[16:32] <mok01> dholbach!!!
[16:32] <mok01> FTW
[16:32] <dholbach> mok01: !!!
[16:32]  * dholbach hugs mok01
[16:32]  * mok01 hugs back
[16:46] <mok01> Everyone, just a reminder: run lintian on the *.deb files before you upload. It seems many don't do that.
[16:46] <ScottK> With -iIv.
[16:47] <AndrewGee> mok01: Thanks for the comment. I'll remember to run lintian in the future :)
[16:48]  * jmarsden goes back and tries the -iIv ... I just used lintian -i before...
[16:53] <dolanor> mok01: new fsniper upload :)
[16:55] <mok01> dolanor: did you check if front, back and center?
[16:59] <dolanor> mok01: hu ? :p What is front back center ?
[16:59] <mok01> dolanor: it just means a thorough check, from all sides :-)
[17:02] <loic-m> mok01: thanks for the review
[17:02] <loic-m> mok01: actually the ref to the man pages in changelog were removed as per request from nhandler ;)
[17:03] <bmhm> Hi. I want to add a PPA to my pBuilder environment. But editing /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/sources.list didn't help.
[17:03] <loic-m> mok01: and thanks for advocating it!
[17:04] <loic-m> loic-m ugs its first advocate
[17:04] <mok01> bmhm, did you use --save-after-login
[17:04] <loic-m> s/ugs/hugs
[17:04]  * mok01 hugs loic-m
[17:04] <bmhm> mok01: I should be able to add it OUTSIDE the chroot env
[17:04] <loic-m> * loic-m remmber he didn't shave today
[17:05] <bmhm> see the file I edited, it won't exit in pBuilders tarball ;-)
[17:05] <mok01> bmhm: you can use the --othermirrors switch
[17:06] <bmhm> ah I see. So which use has etc/pbuilder/apt.config/sources.list then?
[17:06] <frostburn> Where can one find the net-snmp-config that is used to build the package snmpd and snmp?
[17:07] <frostburn> ah disregad
[17:07] <AndrewGee> Just fixed the issues pointed out by mok01 in my package. Would appreciate a MOTU to review the package. Thanks :) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=osm-gps-map
[17:08] <mok01> dolanor: I'll get to it later, after dinner I think
[17:14] <bmhm> I can't wait for my first packe on PPA to be built! :)
[17:14] <bmhm> s/packe/package/g
[17:15] <hyperair> mok01: thanks for the advocate. i'm not sure about the .la files actually, but the package geany already has .la files
[17:15] <mok01> loic-m: anything you add to make the package build, like manpages, or patches,  should be documented in changelog. nhandler is wrong here
[17:16] <hyperair> wait a sec
[17:16] <hyperair> on second thoughts..
[17:16] <mok01> hyperair: I can see a point of leaving them with a -dev package containing a library
[17:16] <hyperair> i think i'll just remove the .la files
[17:16] <mok01> hyperair: I don
[17:16] <hyperair> they're -plugins, so they won't be linked to
[17:16] <mok01> t think it's good for anything
[17:16] <hyperair> yeah i'll remove them then
[17:16] <mok01> hyperair: yeah
[17:17] <hyperair> how should i remove them? a debian/rules rule?
[17:17] <mok01> hyperair:  2 secs
[17:17] <hyperair> ok
[17:17] <loic-m> mok01: thanks. Do you want me to re-upload it, or can MOTU change it if/when I get a second advocate?
[17:18] <mok01> loic-m: just wait, and add it if the next advocate wants to see changes.
[17:18] <loic-m> mok01: thanks
[17:18] <mok01> hyperair: Zap the file from rules
[17:18] <hyperair> okay
[17:20] <hyperair> mok01: gimme a moment, i'll gix both geanyvc and geanyprj
[17:22] <mok01> hyperair: then also add to debian/copyright, first line
[17:22] <mok01> Format-Specification: http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat
[17:22] <hyperair> oh shit i forgot that
[17:23] <mok01> OK, guys I am leaving for a few hours, be back later for another round of revuing fun!
[17:24] <hyperair> okay
[17:24] <mok01> See ya!
[17:34] <Turl> hi :)
[17:34] <Turl> dvdstyler & dvdstyler-data are broken
[17:35] <Turl> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/dvdstyler_1.7.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite  `/usr/share/doc/dvdstyler/AUTHORS', which is also in the package dvdstyler-data
[17:35] <rgreening> ScottK: ping
[17:35] <ScottK> rgreening: Pong
[17:35] <rgreening> ScottK: I see you did uploads for Krusader
[17:36] <rgreening> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krusader/+bug/323266
[17:36] <rgreening> ScottK: I just updated the svn for it... if you can upload
[17:36]  * ScottK has a lookg
[17:36] <ScottK> look even
[17:37] <rgreening> ScottK: It's test build fine here and I did some test runs. All looks good.
[17:37] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:39] <rgreening> np. just helping where I can
[18:12] <Chris`> Using the new Debian/Ubuntu copyright format, is it possible to do the following? Files: plotlib/*.f plotlib/examples/* plotlib/misc/*
[18:12] <Chris`> Copyright: Copyright 1996 Harold Youngren
[18:13] <Chris`> Or does each new dir/fileset require a new section?
[18:17] <loic-m> When apt-get source a package , it dl the Jaunty version, however in case the package is synced from Debian and Intrepid version=Jaunty version, it dl from the intrepid repos, is it correct?
[18:17] <loic-m> since the two source packages should eb identical, shouldn't they?
[18:22] <ScottK> If the version and revision is the same, they are the same.
[18:23] <ScottK> Chris`: mok0 seems to be our expert on that.  I'd ask him.
[18:23] <Chris`> ScottK: Thanks but he doesn't seem to be here :(
[18:24] <ScottK> Chris`: He said he'd be back in a bit, so keep an eye out.
[18:24] <Chris`> ScottK: I sure will, thanks
[18:26] <Chris`> Also kinda off topic but regarding my PGP key, how do I remove an email address but keep it there at the same time, to show that it was once mine but not anymore? I've seen people who have a line through their address in seahorse, just like that I want it :).
[18:27] <pochu> loic-m: assuming you have deb-src lines for both intrepid and jaunty, if both have the same version, it won't matter as they are identical, right
[18:27] <pochu> not sure where it will take it from, probably jaunty
[18:28] <pochu> you can also `apt-get source foo=1.2-0ubuntu1` if you want an older version
[18:28] <pochu> there's a bug report in Debian to implement `apt-get source foo/intrepid`
[18:28] <pochu> as you can do with apt-get install
[18:35] <loic-m> pochu: it does take them from intrepid, I tried with ddd http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ddd&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[18:35] <loic-m> pochu: thanks for the info too
[18:36] <hyperair> is anyone free for a review?
[18:36] <hyperair> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=geanyvc
[18:37] <loic-m> pochu: I just wanted to know, in the future, if I could assume with those kind of packages (synced, no modif, same version stable/devel Ubuntu) i could just use what apt-source get me, instead of uncommenting all intrepid related deb-src lines in sources.list
[18:38] <pochu> loic-m: not sure I understand
[18:38] <maxb> loic-m: Packages are pooled across all distributions. If it's the same version in Intrepid and Jaunty, then all that differs is which index files it reads to get the actual package name. It's the same files on the server that get downloaded either way
[18:39] <maxb> loic-m: Also be aware of the command:   pull-lp-source ddd intrepid
[18:40] <maxb> Chris`: You can revoke a PGP user id
[18:40] <Chris`> maxb: Do you have Scott Richie's key?
[18:41] <loic-m> maxb: thanks a lot
[18:41] <loic-m> pochu: thanks, with your explanation and those of maxb I got the answer -  files on the server are the same
[18:42]  * maxb runs gpg --search-key "Scott Ritchie"
[18:42] <Chris`> maxb: Don't worry I'll SS instead, I'll show you what I mean then
[18:42] <maxb> Chris`: gpg has downloaded it for me already
[18:43] <Chris`> His ucdavies address... How is that done?
[18:43] <maxb> loic-m: If you look at the Ubuntu archive in a web browser, you can see, in particular, two important directories. dists/ contains all the per-distribution index files, pool/ contains *ALL* the packages
[18:44] <maxb> Chris`: By revoking the user id
[18:45] <Chris`> maxb: How can I revoke my email then? :-/
[18:46] <maxb> gpg --edit-key yourkey
[18:46] <maxb> Run "help", and look at the uid and revuid commands
[18:46] <Chris`> maxb: Thanks a bunch :)
[18:46] <maxb> Don't forget to use the "save" command when happy
[18:47] <maxb> After revoking, send your updated key to a keyserver
[18:47] <maxb> Once published into the wild, the revocation is permanent
[18:47] <maxb> (Though you could create a *new* user id using the same information)
[18:49]  * Chris` is trying to be very cautious but doesn't understand it :(
[18:49] <Chris`> Command> revuid "Christopher Swift<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:49] <Chris`> You must select at least one user ID.
[18:50] <maxb> Chris`: Nothing is modified locally until you "save", so you can afford to just play with the commands
[18:50] <Chris`> maxb: Ah right... *phew*
[18:50] <maxb> Chris`: You need to read the description for the "uid" command
[18:51] <Chris`> maxb: I've worked it out... FINALLY, thanks for all your assistance :)
[18:59] <loic-m> I'm looking for a second advocate to ecm ( http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=ecm ), an error code modeler for better compressing iso files
[19:12] <a|wen> yay! mplayer compiles on jaunty again :)
[19:13] <jmarsden|work> Any MOTUs who can review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=webgui for me please?  It's a GPLed Perl-based CMS.  Thanks!
[19:14] <a|wen> if anybody has time to sponser an mplayer update, please look at: https://code.launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/mplayer/ubuntu/+merge/3268
[19:15] <cody-somerville> perl-based cms, ewww :(
[19:16] <ScottK> a|wen: You'll get more audience if you attach your proposed diff.gz to a bug and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors.
[19:16] <a|wen> ScottK: it is part of our ever-increasing arts-bug
[19:16] <ScottK> OK.
[19:17]  * a|wen prepares a debdiff as well
[19:22] <loic-m> If I'm adding a .desktop file and an .xpm icon to a package that uses CDBS, do I only need to drop the files in debian/ then modify package.install?
[19:23] <loic-m> I can find info about CDBS, but not on the .install file it uses (there's info, but not enough for me to understand)
[19:23] <loic-m> It just says "You can then use the .install and .info files to tune your package with the usual debhelper functions in the various sections for debian/rules. "
[19:23] <a|wen> debdiff uploaded to bug 320915
[19:24] <loic-m> I use dh_install for the .desktop file + .xpm icon, so do I put a dh_install line in rules, or something else in package.install ?
[19:26] <a|wen> loic-m: just add them to the package.install
[19:26] <a|wen> loic-m: cdbs uses debhelper ... so all the commands like dh_install is being run
[19:26] <fta> mok01: pong
[19:27] <hyperair> fta: you're a motu right? would you be interseted in doing any revu stuff? =p
[19:28] <fta> hyperair, indeed, i'm a motu. depends on what you need. I'll have time in an hour or 2.
[19:29] <hyperair> fta: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=geanyvc and http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=geanyprj
[19:30] <hyperair> fta: the former was advocated by mok0 already, but i uploaded another, so his advocate got lost
[19:36] <fta> hyperair, ok, i'll have a look
[19:37] <hyperair> fta: thanks =)
[19:40] <Laney> hyperair: How many things have you packaged now?!
[19:41] <hyperair> Laney: i don't know? but when i'm bored i just poke around and file a needs-packaging bug
[19:41] <Laney> hmm
[19:41] <Laney> have you done other kinds of packaging work?
[19:41] <hyperair> Laney: lemme count.. codelite, sigx in ubuntu, bansheelyricsplugin in debian, vazaar (thinking of dropping that one, seems upstream abandoned it or sth), geanyvc and geanyprj
[19:42] <hyperair> other kinds of packaging work like how?
[19:42] <hyperair> i've done sync requests
[19:42] <hyperair> merges... i haven't done one for ubuntu, but i do it all the time for the banshee-team PPA
[19:42] <Laney> merges, bug fixes, qa
[19:42] <hyperair> bug fixes i've done a few for pm-utils, and one for evolution-data-server, as well as one for gnome-settings-daemon
[19:42] <hyperair> oh and one for pulseaudio (but that was related to pm-utils)
[19:43] <hyperair> oh one more bugfix for banshee, in which i backported a diff from svn
[19:43] <hyperair> what's qa?
[19:44] <Laney> quality assurance - ftbfs, unmetdeps, nbs and the like
[19:44] <hyperair> well i've handled ftbfs on my own packages which got uploaded -- codelite and sigx
[19:44] <hyperair> but other than that no
[19:44] <hyperair> i'm interested to take a look though
[19:45] <hyperair> oh and i'm eyeing curlpp as my next target for revu, after i finish packaging every actively maintained geany plugin
[19:45] <Laney> As long as you feel you have the time to maintain all of these packages
[19:46]  * pochu thinks we should at the very least limit REVU packages to one per packager
[19:46] <hyperair> eh no prob
[19:46] <Laney> I've only ever packaged one thing from scratch tbh
[19:48] <hyperair> hahah
[19:51] <maxb> pochu: I see your point about not wanting REVU to get out of control, but that's rather a crude method, and a HUGE roadblock if you need to propose a set of related source packages
[19:52] <pochu> maxb: well, the really crude method is to close it down completely ;)
[19:53] <ScottK> pochu: You can just review one per packager.
[19:53] <maxb> Surely having multiple packages from a single person is no problem at all, *if* they are actively persuing them?
[19:54] <pochu> ScottK: actually I don't do many reviews...
[19:54] <Laney> I don't really have a problem with people who intend to take responsibility for their packages, and package things for a reason other than "it's there".
[19:54] <pochu> maxb: agreed. the question is how many people fall into that category
[19:54] <Laney> But you do need to be aware of the time you're asking your reviewers to invest
[19:55]  * hyperair has a reason
[19:55] <hyperair> and it's not "it's there"
[19:56] <Laney> hyperair: I wasn't targetting you, don't worry
[19:56] <Laney> obviously I can't speak to your intentions
[19:56] <loic-m> * loic-m reason is "it's _not_ there" ;)
[19:57] <loic-m> (and I use it)
[19:57] <hyperair> Laney: just clarifying matters that's all =)
[19:59] <hyperair> my reason for geany's plugins is because they look interesting, and i don't feel like littering my system with make install stuff, and since i've come up with packages i might as well submit it to ubuntu
[20:00] <hyperair> codelite because it deserves the same love codeblocks got
[20:00] <hyperair> sigx and (soon) curlpp because i'm writing an app which is going to depend on those two
[20:03] <fta> hyperair, just added a comment for geanyprj
[20:04] <loic-m> When does it work when adding an .xpm icon to a package - do we have to check the license for the icon as well?
[20:04] <Laney> of course
[20:04] <hyperair> fta: thanks. i just made the fix, i'll upload it soon
[20:05] <loic-m> if the icon is already in the package we provide (=shows in the program, but no .xpm file, what do we do?
[20:06] <hyperair> loic-m: if you want to create a package.menu file then you'll need a .xpm file
[20:06] <hyperair> loic-m: otherwise no need
[20:07] <hyperair> fta: uploaded.
[20:10] <vemon> hi. what kind of name should i give to a lib package when the name of the library is already postfixed with the version number (which i assume is probably identical to the so version)
[20:11] <vemon> one of the libs looks like this: liblv2dynparamhost1.so.1.0.0
[20:12] <vemon> i'm only building a package for personal use to be uploaded to my PPA but would still like to get it right
[20:12] <vemon> (maybe later uploading it to revu)
[20:12] <fta> hyperair, i'm not sure how to give you a r+ now.. i don't know enough about REVU. maybe i need privileges.
[20:12] <hyperair> hmm i think you need to register as a reviewer
[20:13] <hyperair> fta: ^
[20:16] <fta> hmm
[20:16]  * jpds upgrades fta to "Reviewer" - 'User's permissions have been changed successfully.'
[20:20] <loic-m> is there any rules against using paths like debian/../dir_name in debian/rules and also, when using CDBS, in debian/package.install?
[20:20] <fta> jpds, thanks
[20:21] <fta> hyperair, i'll have another look after dinner.
[20:21] <hyperair> fta: okay thanks
[20:32] <jmarsden|work> loic-m: I suspect debian/../dir and dir are exactly equivalent... so why would you write it as debian/../dir ??
[20:34] <loic-m> jmarsden|work: That makes sense. Thanks a lot
[20:34] <jmarsden|work> loic-m: No problem :)
[20:58] <fta> hyperair, any particular reason to request debhelper >= 7 ?
[21:01] <hyperair> fta: not actually
[21:01] <hyperair> fta: should i lower it?
[21:01] <AndrewGee> Just fixed the issues pointed out by mok01 in my package. Would appreciate a MOTU to review the package. Thanks :) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=osm-gps-map
[21:01] <fta> it's better to keep it low to ease eventual backports
[21:01] <hyperair> fta: okay
[21:01] <fta> 5 should be enough in most cases
[21:02] <hyperair> okay
[21:02] <hyperair> what's 6 then? i usually see 5 and 7 but not 6
[21:02] <Laney> man debhelper
[21:02] <hyperair> right
[21:06] <fta> hyperair, 2nd package looks fine too. it's almost identical to the 1st one.
[21:07] <hyperair> fta: yeah, the upstream developer is the same person
[21:07] <hyperair> fta: and both are plugins for geany
[21:07] <fta> hyperair, i figured that out ;) please lower debhelper req for both and i'll advocate you again for both
[21:08] <hyperair> fta: okay
[21:08] <hyperair> fta: okay uploaded for both.
[21:10]  * jpds notes that we have debhelper 7 as far back as hardy-backports. So backporting anything with compat 7 shouldn't be a problem.
[21:12] <loic-m> Can a MOTU give a second advocate to the package ecm at  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=ecm (a tool for compressing iso files with an unconventional method) ?
[21:13] <fta> jpds, yeah, but the default is still 5
[21:14] <jpds> fta: Howso?
[21:15] <fta> drop debian/compat and the version in debian/control, build, you'll end up with a debian/compat = 5
[21:15] <jpds> Ah, right.
[21:16] <jpds> Lenny has 7 so that should change sooner or later.
[21:18] <fta> cdbs also has 5 by default
[21:18] <mok0> compat is a source of confusion
[21:19] <fta> hyperair, all done :)
[21:24] <hyperair> fta: thanks
[21:26] <hyperair> mok0: could you take a look at geanyvc and geanyprj please?
[21:26] <maxb> Don't you always need a debian/compat, else you default to 1?
[21:26] <maxb> Anything else not being, uh, compatible :-)
[21:26]  * maxb experiments
[21:26] <hyperair> dh_make sets it to 7 =\
[21:27] <fta> in jaunty, afaics, it's still 5
[21:27] <maxb> Yeah, without a debian/compat file, it tells me that "compatibility levels before 4 are deprecated", so I'm convinced it defaults to 1
[21:28] <maxb> fta: Why do you think it defaults to 5?
[21:28] <mok0> hyperair: I'll take a look tomorrow... I am toast
[21:29] <fta> maxb, because it creates the file for you with 5 in it if you don't provide one
[21:29] <hyperair> mok0: okay =)
[21:30] <maxb> fta: Oooops. I missed the fact that we were talking about cdbs driving debhelper, not debhelper itself
[21:30] <maxb> :-)
[21:30] <fta> and if you're all fine with 5, why use more ? with more, debhelper does more work for you but if it's not needed, i don't see the point
[21:30] <mok0> hyperair: what timezone are you in? It must be late night for you...
[21:30] <fta> maxb, even without cdbs
[21:30] <hyperair> mok0: GMT +8
[21:30] <fta> hm, maybe not
[21:31] <fta> i take that back
[21:31] <hyperair> mok0: and i'm nocturnal. currently watching a series of anime with bad sound
[21:31] <mok0> hyperair: ouch, time for bed :-)
[21:35] <mok0> Yikes the "needs-revu" list keeps growing... up to 134 packages now
[21:40] <hyperair> heheheh
[21:55] <postalchris> What does it mean when REVU says, "This package could not be extracted; there's no browseable     directory for it on REVU. "
[22:01] <maxb> That's an interesting one... sounds like it is implying that "dpkg-source -x" failed to work
[22:01] <maxb> the package name is?
[22:08] <ScottK> Which it might if there's no key to verify against.
[22:20] <postalchris> maxb: cvc3
[22:21] <maxb> Looks like the .orig.tar.gz is missing
[22:23] <postalchris> maxb: the .orig.tar.gz was the same as for the previous upload?
[22:23] <maxb> I'm not sure how revu works... I think it may require .orig.tar.gz *ALWAYS*
[22:24] <jpds> postalchris: You still have to include it in the upload to REVU, gimme a moment to try something.
[22:24] <maxb> Because it's not really an archive
[22:25] <postalchris> hm, I just dput the .changes file, I assumed it would do the right thing
[22:27] <maxb> Include the -sa option when building the package for upload to REVU
[22:27] <jpds> postalchris: OK; I've just moved your pervious upload + the .orig from the upload before that to the processing queue.
[22:28] <jpds> (I check the sha sums so it should work).
[22:29] <jpds> postalchris: Ought to be on the site now.
[22:30] <jpds> postalchris: OK; that didn't work, please reupload with the -sa option for debuild.
[22:33] <_stochastic_> I'm having some troubles getting icons to properly install from my package.  I've read about dh_icons online, but is there any order it needs to sit within the rules file?
[22:35] <postalchris> jpds: REVU has a problem with the pkg name being the same...
[22:35] <jpds> postalchris: How do you mean?
[22:36] <jpds> Hey Zic.
[22:36] <Zic> hi jpds :)
[22:41] <postalchris> jpds: "Already uploaded to revu.ubuntuwire.com
[22:41] <postalchris> Doing nothing for cvc3_1.5.1~20090126-0ubuntu2_source.changes"
[22:41] <postalchris> I'm bumping the revision and rebuilding
[22:41] <Piratenaapje> postalchris: use option -f if you want to force it to upload
[22:42] <postalchris> Piratenaapje: that's a better idea ;-)
[22:42] <ScottK> or just rm the .upload file.
[22:42] <jpds> postalchris: dput -f revu ...
[22:42] <postalchris> jpds: done
[22:43] <jpds> postalchris: Right, it's in ~ftp/incoming and should be on the site soon.
[22:45] <postalchris> jpds: Awesome. Thanks.
[22:46] <postalchris> How long should I expect to wait before somebody comments on the package? (First upload was 1/24)
[22:54] <jpds> postalchris: It's best to advertise the package here from time to time, and someone will hopefully take a look at it.
[22:55] <CarlFK> can someone pretty please fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ffmpeg2theora/+bug/315356/+viewstatus
[22:56] <CarlFK> I keep forgetting about it and burn up time trying to figure out why it isn't installed
[22:57] <postalchris> jpds: Consider this my advertising for the day.
[22:59] <jpds> postalchris: It's almost midnight here, but I'll have a look tomorrow morning.
[23:01] <__Ali__> why is dh_install commented out in debian/rules template?
[23:02] <__Ali__> is dh_install necessary for the actual binaries to be included in deb?
[23:04] <postalchris> jpds: No pressure. It's just advertsing. :-)
[23:08] <Piratenaapje> CarlFK: that bug seems to be fixed in the newest release
[23:09] <CarlFK> Piratenaapje: oh hay...  maybe it hasn't hit the repo yet
[23:10] <Piratenaapje>  Setting up ffmpeg2theora (0.23-0ubuntu1) ...
[23:10] <Piratenaapje> CarlFK: version in repo is ubuntu2
[23:12] <Piratenaapje> CarlFK: Status is also fix-released :P
[23:13] <CarlFK> Piratenaapje: did it install for you?
[23:13] <Piratenaapje> CarlFK: yes, and the binary is included now
[23:14] <CarlFK> huh.  thanks.  now I have to see why my box is still borked.
[23:15] <CarlFK> I did apt-get source and built and run the binary out of the dir
[23:15] <CarlFK> thanks again for checking.
[23:16] <Piratenaapje> CarlFK: You're welcome :)
[23:16] <_stochastic_> Does anyone have some free time to do a REVU?  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=calf
[23:16] <_stochastic_> It just needs one more advocate.
[23:18] <nhandler> _stochastic_: I'll take a look
[23:18] <_stochastic_> nhandler, thanks
[23:19] <nhandler> _stochastic_: Is there a reason for a compat of 6?
[23:23] <jmarsden|work> Any MOTUs who can review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=webgui for me please?  It's a GPLed Perl-based CMS.  Thanks!
[23:24] <loic-m> nhandler: ping
[23:24] <nhandler> loic-m: pong
[23:51] <dooooomi> does any MOTU feel like reviewing pyliblo? this is your chance to be the second advocate :) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=pyliblo


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[10:02] <pavlushka> :)
[10:03] <pavlushka> r0b1n1sl4m: or run "/whois pavlushka", :p
[10:04] <pavlushka> r0b1n1sl4m: using kiwi web version, there's some android version of irc, like androidirc, I use that for android.
[10:05] <pavlushka> r0b1n1sl4m: You may be Robin Islam I suppose?
[10:05] <r0b1n1sl4m> yes that's correct
[10:06] <pavlushka> I have a friend named Robin, He is also my cousin, :)
[10:07] <pavlushka> r0b1n1sl4m: but I felt like home using Hexchat for irc, :)
[10:08] <r0b1n1sl4m> oh coincident
[10:10] <pavlushka> r0b1n1sl4m: So is there anything you are upto now? I mean here?
[10:11] <r0b1n1sl4m> nothing actually just tanjim invited me here that's why.......
[10:12] <pavlushka> And he is not here, how un welcoming, :(
[10:12] <pavlushka> r0b1n1sl4m: aree you from CTG?
[10:14] <r0b1n1sl4m> Bogra
[10:15] <pavlushka> QA tell tanjim and AudaciousTUX to be in #ubuntu-bd by evening, because pavlushka is upto something.
[10:15] <QA> pavlushka: Sure, I'll tell tanjim on freenode
[10:15] <pavlushka> QA tell AudaciousTUX to be in #ubuntu-bd by evening, because pavlushka is upto something.
[10:15] <QA> pavlushka: Got it, I'll tell AudaciousTUX on freenode
[10:18] <Kilos> hi all of ya
[10:19] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue471
[10:19] <Kilos> dunno if anyone is interested in reading that
[10:20] <pavlushka> o/ Kilos
[10:28] <pavlushka> bbl
[10:34] <Kilos> ok
[11:10] <AudaciousTUX> tell pavlushka okay
[11:10] <AudaciousTUX> QA tell pavlushka okay
[11:10] <QA> AudaciousTUX: Righto, I'll tell pavlushka on freenode
[11:40] <AudaciousTUX> qa tell pavlushka hexchat much much better than konversation :3
[11:40] <QA> AudaciousTUX: Okay, I'll tell pavlushka on freenode
[12:18] <tareq> hello all
[12:18] <AudaciousTUX> helu
[12:18] <pavlushka> Hello tareq !
[12:18] <QA> pavlushka: By the way, AudaciousTUX on freenode told me "tell pavlushka okay" 1 hour, 8 minutes and 26 seconds ago
[12:18] <QA> pavlushka: By the way, AudaciousTUX on freenode told me "tell pavlushka hexchat much much better than konversation :3" 38 minutes and 15 seconds ago
[12:19] <AudaciousTUX> ow.... tell o massage e thake :3
[12:20] <pavlushka> ha ha ha
[12:21] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: and for android, androidirc serves the purpose, ;)
[12:21] <AudaciousTUX> bangla font causing problem in hexchat :(
[12:21] <pavlushka> but tab support depends on the soft keypad
[12:22] <tareq> quassel is good enough
[12:22] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: goto settings-> preference-> appearence, set trhe font to Sans
[12:23] <pavlushka> *the
[12:24] <AudaciousTUX> bangla font not showing properly pavlushka
[12:24] <pavlushka> tareq: yes, I have quassel too
[12:24] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: have you tried the above?
[12:24] <AudaciousTUX> oh okay.... now all ok.... solimanlipi working fine
[12:25] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX:  settings-> preference-> appearence, set trhe font to Sans, is my settings and it works for all fonts, check my previous screenshots, ;p
[12:25] <AudaciousTUX> tareq: vai ki niya kotha olte chaichilo??
[12:26] <tareq> nothing
[12:26] <tareq> just passing time
[12:26] <AudaciousTUX> :p
[12:26] <AudaciousTUX> vaggo kharap amar... kam kore na :( pavlushka
[12:27] <tareq> restart the app
[12:27] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: yes
[12:28] <AudaciousTUX> nope.... not working :3
[12:28] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: what is your fonts set to?
[12:29] <AudaciousTUX> sans
[12:29] <tareq> guys, would like to check ubuntu gnome
[12:29] <AudaciousTUX> but now solimanlipi...  solimanlipi working for me
[12:29] <AudaciousTUX> i just hate gnome :3
[12:29] <tareq> my fav font
[12:29] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: anything that works is fine :)
[12:29] <AudaciousTUX> yah
[12:29] <tareq> kalpurush is fine too
[12:30] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: but I dont hate kubuntu , :p
[12:30] <tareq> solaimanlipi>siyam rupali>kalpurush
[12:30] <AudaciousTUX> "ু" ঠিক মত দেখায় না কালপুরুষে
[12:30] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: but my system fonts is set to Likhan,
[12:31] <AudaciousTUX> লিখান মনেহয় একটু বড়... ঠিক মনে নাই কেমন দেখতে
[12:31] <tareq> once gittubaba made an app to make bangla usable in gnome shell
[12:31] <pavlushka> lol, size specify করে দিলেই হল
[12:31] <tareq> pyfontfixer
[12:31] <AudaciousTUX> উহু... বড় বড় লাগে তারপরও pavlushka
[12:31] <pavlushka> tareq: ^^
[12:32] <AudaciousTUX> আরেকটা আছে জলপাই... অইটা একটু মাত্রারিক্ত বড় লাগে
[12:32] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: ঠিক আসে, আপনার যেটা সুবিধা মনে হয়
[12:32] <AudaciousTUX> হেহেহে
[12:37] <tareq> কনভারসেশানে এত ঝামেলা নাই
[12:38] <pavlushka> hmm
[14:30] <ashabadi> Tanvir: tareq Kilos good evening
[14:30] <ashabadi> how are you guys
[14:30] <ashabadi> Tanvir: I think I have not talked to you... and if I have I have forgotten
[14:38] <Kilos> hi ashabadi Tanvir
[14:38] <Kilos> oh and tareq  too
[14:38] <ashabadi> I think all are away
[14:39] <Kilos> np i have greeted
[14:40] <ashabadi> hmm
[14:40] <ashabadi> how is your farm going?
[14:41] <Kilos> ok ty just lots of work refencing
[14:42] <ashabadi> :)
[14:42] <Kilos> bad peeps cut fences so many times we are rediong it all
[14:42] <ashabadi> hmm takes time & effort
[14:42] <Kilos> yip
[14:46] <tareq> hello Kilos ashabadi
[14:46] <ashabadi> welcome back tareq
[14:54] <tareq> I think we can move forward after eid
[14:58] <ashabadi> hmm tareq
[14:58] <ashabadi> I dont think much of the people are that interested...
[14:58] <ashabadi> lets see what happens
[15:05] <tareq> I will write a manual on Kubuntu 16.04
[15:05] <tareq> hope that will help
[15:06] <tareq> loco team
[15:07] <ashabadi> great
[15:08] <tareq> xubuntu guys can write for xubuntu
[15:10] <ashabadi> the image links are broken
[15:10] <ashabadi> http://ashabadi.com/blog/2009/08/10/%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%9F%E0%A7%81-%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B8/
[15:11] <ashabadi> but check it out
[15:12] <tareq> thanks ashabadi, it will help me to write
[15:13] <tareq> http://docs.kubuntu.org/welcome.html
[15:13] <tareq> I will take ideas from this one
[15:13] <ashabadi> checking
[15:14] <ashabadi> I think previously it was documentation
[15:14] <tareq> yea
[15:14] <tareq> this one plus own contribution
[15:14] <ashabadi> ok great :)
[15:15] <tareq> any suggestions?
[15:15] <ashabadi> only suggestions... enjoy :)
[15:15] <ashabadi> don't break your back & hurt your eyes typing it
[15:16] <tareq> lol
[15:34] <ashabadi> tareq: I think you were working on webpage development right?
[15:34] <ashabadi> can you tell me how I can enable this theme in my photo blog? http://piwigo.org/demo/ try simpleNG
[16:26] <tareq> ashabadi: not actually, nothing confirm yet; tanjim doing that
[16:26] <ashabadi> ok
[16:26] <tareq> ashabadi: I am writing some contents
[16:26] <ashabadi> ok good
[16:32] <ashabadi> hello AudaciousTUX
[16:32] <AudaciousTUX> hellu
[16:33] <tareq> hello TUX
[16:33] <AudaciousTUX> hellu
[16:33] <AudaciousTUX> pavlushka vai koi
[16:36] <ashabadi> not sure
[16:36] <ashabadi> has been away since 7
[16:37] <tareq> ashabadi: any alternative of ksnapshot
[16:37] <AudaciousTUX> spectacle tareq
[16:38] <AudaciousTUX> btw... is that for screenshot??
[16:39] <tareq> yes
[16:39] <tareq> but I do like shutter much
[16:39] <AudaciousTUX> shutter takes too much time to just open :3
[16:40] <ashabadi> any reason you want alternative?
[16:40] <ashabadi> I was going to reffer shutter :P
[16:41] <AudaciousTUX> deepin-screenshot
[16:42] <AudaciousTUX> give it a try.... i just forgot its name.... better than shutter
[17:00] <pavlushka> Hello ashabadi !
[17:01] <ashabadi> hello pavlushka
[17:03] <pavlushka> ashabadi: So, is everything going with the plan?
[17:04] <pavlushka> ashabadi: and thanks for the feedback, :)
[17:04] <ashabadi> don't think so...
[17:04] <ashabadi> and what feedback?
[17:04] <ashabadi> I have not given any feedback...
[17:04] <ashabadi> have been busy... :S
[17:04] <pavlushka> got QA's message
[17:05] <ashabadi> ok
[17:05] <pavlushka> Audacious was here, I need him tonight.
[17:06] <pavlushka> Hello tareq !
[17:06] <ashabadi> he was looking for you as well
[17:07] <pavlushka> ashabadi: no problem, I think he will be there in time, :)
[17:07] <pavlushka> tareq: ping
[17:08] <pavlushka> Kilos-: you have something in your...
[17:19] <Kilos-> in my what pavlushka
[17:21] <pavlushka> Kilos-: you've acquired an extra hyphen but from whom?
[17:21] <Kilos> must have lost connection for a bit
[17:22] <pavlushka> Kilos: np, :)
[17:37] <pavlushka> wb AudaciousTUX !
[17:37] <AudaciousTUX> :D
[18:00] <tareq> hello guys
[18:00] <tareq> sorry, i went for dinner
[18:00] <Kilos> tummy full
[18:01] <AudaciousTUX> i'm coming... after namaj.... wait for me :p
[18:01] <tareq> okk
[18:02] <pavlushka> tareq: There's a monthly meeting in #ubuntu-za around 12.30 AM this night, are you interested?
[18:04] <pavlushka> ashabadi: ping
[18:04]  * ashabadi is sleeping.... zzzzzz
[18:04] <Kilos> lol
[18:05]  * pavlushka throws a jar of cold water on the face of ashabadi
[18:05]  * ashabadi is getting old... now can't remain energetic like old days...
[18:05]  * ashabadi jolts up then again dozz off
[18:05] <AudaciousTUX> is waking up pavlushka
[18:06] <AudaciousTUX> oh.. ashabadi vai ghumaiteche... :3
[18:06] <ashabadi> already feeling tired... have office tomorrow early morning... it pains me
[18:06] <pavlushka> ashabadi: So, is there any update? I am a little injured, and power outage giving us hell.
[18:07] <tareq> pavlushka: i'm here
[18:07] <ashabadi> pavlushka: raihanr is not interested, same is for Ekushey
[18:07] <ashabadi> and I dont think we will have much of people from fb group
[18:07] <ashabadi> so first prepare the page... show them what is upcoming
[18:07] <ashabadi> then tease them to join
[18:07] <AudaciousTUX> raihanr said he can't stay awake after 11:30
[18:07] <ashabadi> instead of making it open
[18:08] <pavlushka> ashabadi: no problem, we will create some.
[18:08] <pavlushka> ashabadi: I am totally agreed with that, lets bring it on.
[18:09] <AudaciousTUX> yo... :p
[18:10] <pavlushka> tareq: but you didn't replied my question, :p
[18:10] <tareq> pavlushka: regarding monthly meeting?
[18:10] <pavlushka> yep
[18:11] <tareq> yes, lets see
[18:11] <AudaciousTUX> before or after eid??
[18:11] <pavlushka> haha, that's the spirit, I hope you'll enjoy it.
[18:13] <AudaciousTUX> amare lokjon msg o pathay volunteer hoyar jonne... kajer somoy koyjonre paoya jabe tai nia sondeho :3
[18:14] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: Can we be sure with you atleast?
[18:14] <ashabadi> you have to throw them bone to keep them interested
[18:14] <ashabadi> don't let the initial buzz die down
[18:14] <AudaciousTUX> আগেরবারের রিলিস পার্টিতে যারা ছিল এখন তার মদ্ধে ৫ জনরে পাওয়া যাবে না :3
[18:14] <ashabadi> if you take too long to respond then they will loose interest
[18:14] <ashabadi> give them something to do
[18:14] <ashabadi> anything
[18:14] <AudaciousTUX> আমি আছি :D
[18:14] <pavlushka> ashabadi: yes, yes, keep us guiding like that, :)
[18:15] <ashabadi> even  if it means having them translate docs
[18:15] <AudaciousTUX> but first of all need to finalize the site...
[18:15] <ashabadi> tareq: was thinking of building conents based on docs.kubuntu.org
[18:15] <AudaciousTUX> i'm too much lazy .... :3
[18:15] <ashabadi> why don't you start utilising the interested volunteers
[18:15] <pavlushka> ashabadi: what will be the platform, LP I prefer.
[18:15] <AudaciousTUX> i was thinking about aur wiki :v
[18:15] <ashabadi> why you have to build the content on yourself only
[18:16] <ashabadi> wiki is not going to cut it...
[18:16] <AudaciousTUX> i'm coming... after namaj
[18:16] <ashabadi> use wordpress or joomla based website
[18:16] <ashabadi> easy referral & content management
[18:17] <tareq> I am familiar with word[ress
[18:17] <tareq> *wordpress
[18:18] <tareq> I would like to make it pdf
[18:18] <tareq> like a book
[18:18] <tareq> e-book
[18:18] <ashabadi> I think both wordpress & joomla has plugin to convert article in pdf
[18:18] <ashabadi> giving user option to download post in pdf
[18:19] <tareq> yes, that is good point
[18:19]  * pavlushka thinks wow, nice idea, that's why ashabadi's senior dont let him transfer to other place, :p
[18:21] <ashabadi> pavlushka: ফাইজলামী বন্ধ রাখেন
[18:22] <pavlushka> ashabadi: please proceed, :)
[18:23]  * pavlushka 's mouth zipped
[18:25] <ashabadi> tareq: pavlushka & AudaciousTUX can you /msg ashabadi your email id?
[18:25] <ashabadi> there was an old base file that you can use to write tutorial
[18:25] <pavlushka> mine is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:26] <ashabadi> you will be bomberred with spam
[18:26] <ashabadi> for sharing publicly :P
[18:26] <pavlushka> np, I can mark those :p
[18:26] <ashabadi> tareq: 1988 still in use?
[18:27] <AudaciousTUX_> :o amar nick change hoia gelo ken :(
[18:28] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: type "/nick desired_nick"
[18:28] <buggy_biobot> just type /nick your desired nick
[18:28] <tareq> ashabadi: omg, i'm not tareq hasan
[18:29] <too_much_buggy_b> :(
[18:29] <buggy_biobot> :P
[18:29] <tareq> mine id<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:29] <pavlushka> It allows only 16 char
[18:30] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: type "/nick AudaciousTUX"
[18:31] <AudaciousTUX_> not working :(
[18:31] <buggy_biobot> without "
[18:31] <buggy_biobot> :P
[18:31] <AudaciousTUX_> i know
[18:31] <AudaciousTUX> :P
[18:31] <AudaciousTUX_> :3
[18:31] <AudaciousTUX> it should work
[18:31] <AudaciousTUX_> amar nick to register kora chilo :'(
[18:32] <AudaciousTUX> it still is
[18:32] <pavlushka> nop
[18:32] <AudaciousTUX> it is registered yet
[18:32] <AudaciousTUX> he has to sign in to boot me :P
[18:33] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: in #ubuntu-za now
[18:33] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: in #ubuntu-za now
[18:33] <AudaciousTUX> I'll be sleeping
[18:33] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: click on the lower left part where your "AudaciousTUX_" is showing to yourself
[18:33] <AudaciousTUX_> nothing working
[18:33] <AudaciousTUX> :P
[18:33] <AudaciousTUX_> tried that too :3
[18:33] <AudaciousTUX> mu ha ha ha ha
[18:33] <AudaciousTUX_> :'(
[18:34] <AudaciousTUX> you have to identify yourself
[18:34] <AudaciousTUX> then I will be booted
[18:35] <AudaciousTUX_> kissu kam kortechena :o
[18:35] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: re identify "/msg nickserv identify password"
[18:35] <ashabadi> you have to work it... why taking so pressure?
[18:35] <ashabadi> its simple you should be able to work it out
[18:36] <ashabadi> if I can change my nick to AudaciousTUX then you can too
[18:36] <ashabadi> you are not using something else
[18:36] <AudaciousTUX_> but thats the worst thing.... why it's not working for me :3
[18:37] <AudaciousTUX_> anyway.... leave it :'(
[18:37] <ashabadi> hmm
[18:38] <ashabadi> anyway sent old tutorial document to pavlushka & tareq for there reference
[18:39] <ashabadi> if they want they can build upon it
[18:39] <pavlushka> ashabadi: thanks, will look into it.
[18:39] <AudaciousTUX_> old tutorials are really old for today :v
[18:39] <ashabadi> the topics can be used
[18:39] <AudaciousTUX_> yah...
[18:39] <ashabadi> as reference point
[18:39] <AudaciousTUX_> ummm
[18:39] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: we are aware of that.
[18:41] <tareq> I have found some of my old files including maverick (10.10) tutorial
[18:41] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: Thanks for referring that, that was wise, :)
[18:41] <AudaciousTUX_> pavlushka: wq :)
[18:42] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: why the Q?
[18:42] <AudaciousTUX_> dunno... spelling এ একটু QQ ভাব আশে :v
[18:42] <pavlushka> :v
[18:44] <tareq> ubuntu-za is doing good job
[18:44] <tareq> we can follow them
[18:48] <tareq> ashabadi: got your mail
[18:57] <ashabadi> ive to leave guys
[18:57] <Kilos> go well ashabadi
[18:57] <pavlushka> Sure ashabadi , good night, :)
[18:57] <ashabadi> goodnight pavlushka tareq Kilos :)
[18:58] <ashabadi> be well
[18:58] <Kilos> you too ty
[19:00] <tareq> goodnight all
[19:00] <Kilos> night tareq
[19:00] <Kilos> sleep well
[19:00] <pavlushka> tareq: good night, :)
[19:17] <pavlushka> QA tell tareq that the #ubuntu-za meeting excerpts are available at txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-06-28-18-30-00.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-06-28-18-30-00.html
[19:17] <QA> pavlushka: Righto, I'll tell tareq on freenode
[19:18] <pavlushka> QA tell ashabadi that the #ubuntu-za meeting excerpts are available at txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-06-28-18-30-00.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-06-28-18-30-00.html
[19:18] <QA> pavlushka: Righto, I'll tell ashabadi on freenode
[19:33] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: So how was it, the meeting?
[19:33] <Kilos> night guys see you later
[19:33] <AudaciousTUX> gn Kilos  :)
[19:33] <pavlushka> Kilos: good night :)
[19:33] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: ^^
[19:34] <AudaciousTUX> pavlushka: ummm... মিটিংএর সারমর্ম কি হইল শেষ পর্যন্ত :v
[19:34] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-06-28-18-30-00.txt
[19:39] <AudaciousTUX> umm.... good enough.... btw... they've their blog or forum??
[19:39] <AudaciousTUX> pavlushka:
[19:42] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX, See it for yourself https://ubuntu-za.org/


[02:38] <jbicha> rbasak: I don't think I have anything additional to add for the ostree SRU bug. I know that Ken wanted to see flatpak 1.0 get into Ubuntu 18.04 LTS archives after it's released
[08:08] <sil2100> rbasak: hey! The letsencrypt xenial SRU is stalled since over 300 days now, with some build failures blocking it (+ lack of verification)
[08:09] <sil2100> rbasak: LP: #1640978
[08:09] <sil2100> rbasak: that's a lot of packages that would be a waste to just remove, but if no movement happens in this area I'll have to do that
[08:10] <sil2100> rbasak: the developer raised concerns that the update is still needed, so that would be a shame
[13:12] <xubuntu000> hey all. pulseaudio 12 has been available for several weeks now and it has some much needed patches
[13:13] <xubuntu000> currently the most up to date pulse in repos is 11.1
[13:13] <mdeslaur> xubuntu000: 12.0 is in cosmic-proposed
[13:14] <xubuntu000> oh nice!
[13:15] <xubuntu000> wow, as of yesterday even
[13:16] <xubuntu000> thanks mdeslaur! you're awesome
[15:29] <doko> bdmurray: are you currently the one looking at apport? seeing failing autopkg tests on amd64
[15:32] <bdmurray> doko: I'll have a look today
[15:32] <doko> ta
[15:37] <bdmurray> jibel: Could you elaborate on how you recreated bug 1778817?
[15:44] <jibel> bdmurray, I installed 17.10, set the screen lock timeout to 1 min, upgrade to 18.04 with the GUI, and the screen lock goes off before the inhibit command is issued.
[15:45] <bdmurray> jibel: ah so, maybe setting it to 1 minute is the issue?
[15:45] <bdmurray> slangasek: Do you know what period you had for the lock timeout?
[15:47] <jibel> bdmurray, I don't think 1min is the issue, the issue is that the screen can lock between the moment the user proceeds with the upgrade and cannot cancel anymore and the moment the inhibit command is executed
[15:47] <jibel> bdmurray, why not disabling the screen lock earlier?
[15:50] <bdmurray> jibel: I'll have a look at where we can move it.
[15:50] <slangasek> bdmurray: no, I don't know what the interval was, I could look that up with effort.  but as jibel says, ordering should be that the lock inhibition should take place before the user hits the button, not after
[15:51] <bdmurray> Yeah, before they click "upgrade"
[19:30] <tsimonq2> rbasak: Yesterday I implemented the mirroring of those imported USD repositories, and I was wondering... what's the difference between use of the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>email address and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>wrt the importer?
[19:41] <rbasak> tsimonq2: I'm not sure we've pinned down the spec wrt. the addresses used. Where are you seeing each case?
[19:42] <tsimonq2> rbasak: See https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/quassel-archive/history/debian%252Fjessie/ and https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/quassel-archive/history/importer%252Fdebian%252Fdsc/ (hovering over the name in each commit displays the email address).
[19:42] <tsimonq2> rbasak: One is usd-importer and one is Ubuntu Git Importer.
[19:43] <rbasak> tsimonq2: it might have been changed but those repositories not yet reimported
[19:43] <rbasak> Or it could be that the dsc branch does it differently
[19:44] <rbasak> tsimonq2: it's bug 1728685
[19:45] <rbasak> tsimonq2: we'll specify it, add tests to make sure the spec is followed. Before we reimport the world and leave experimental status.
[19:45] <tsimonq2> rbasak: Gotcha.
[19:46] <rbasak> The dsc and pristine-tar branches are a bit special mind. Really they contain data rather than commits. We might not force them a particular way and rely on the person running the importer's settings.
[20:14] <nacc> right, in one case, the authoer and commitere are distinct, in the meta-branches, they are not
[20:55] <tsimonq2> OK, thanks.
[21:14] <nacc> tsimonq2: it's definitely a bug that they are different, and it will presumably be fixed by the above :)
[21:25] <tsimonq2> nacc: Great. :)


[03:43] <hyperspace> howdy ;)
[04:02] <hyperspace> anyone alive?
[08:25] <A-Kaser> oi
[10:01] <mpathy> Hi there
[10:03] <mpathy> What would be the best way to install Ubuntu-Server on a rootserver without physical access? I could debootstrap, which leads into a very basic ubuntu, and I could change the sources.list of my minimal debian installation to ubuntu repositorys.. But what would be the best way, to end up in a installation similar to the ubuntu-server cd installation?
[10:03] <mpathy> Or are there scripts like for Suse?
[10:05] <lionelp> Hi mpathy
[10:06] <lionelp> You can debootstrap an Ubuntu (no needs to debootstrap a debian and change your source.lsit to Ubuntu)
[10:06] <lionelp> I would debootstrap and apt-get ubuntu-base and ubuntu-minimal
[10:07] <lionelp> What scripts in Suse do ?
[10:07] <mpathy> lionelp: No its because i have a minimal debian also per default so that would be more convinient
[10:08] <mpathy> lionelp: you said ubuntu-base and ubuntu-minimal - why is there no ubuntu-server which would lead into the same configuration like from cd? ;)
[10:09] <lionelp> hum... Good question :)
[10:09] <mpathy> lionelp: I heard there are scripts who do the exactly same like cd-installations its some kind of shell script startable from a remote console..?
[10:09] <mpathy> lionelp: thanks :P :)
[10:11] <lionelp> mpathy: I am not aware of such scripts, but that does not means they does not exists
[10:13] <mpathy> because like the half of people who have a server only have access to it via ssh and a emerceny console.. and providers who are affordable only offer Suse or Debian
[10:16] <lionelp> Your emergency console only provide a shell console ? It does not provide a rescue system ?
[10:16] <infinity> mpathy: There's no "ubuntu-server" package because the server CD doens't install anything more than minimal by default.
[10:16] <infinity> (Or minimal and standard?  I keep forgetting)
[10:19] <lionelp> I would say minimal and standard
[10:21] <lionelp> infinity: as you are here, I have a weird problem, and I do not know how / to who report it
[10:21] <lionelp> I use autofs-ldap on the workstations on my network
[10:21] <lionelp> and when they boot, sometimes, on rescent computers, autofs-ldap start before stations get an IP by DHCP
[10:21] <lionelp> and it does not work :-(
[10:22] <lionelp> (needs to restart autofs after boot phase)
[10:23] <infinity> Right, if it can't work until the network is settled, it should be done in /etc/network/if-up.d/ scripts instead of init scripts.
[10:24] <lionelp> That's a good idea
[10:24] <lionelp> I will open a bug on autofs so to suggest it
[10:25] <lionelp> Thanks
[10:29] <mpathy> sorry was away..
[10:30] <mpathy> lionelp: I have a shell and also a web frontend where I can choose Suse or Debian Sarge minimal for a reinstallation
[10:31] <mpathy> infinity: But there are differencies between a ubuntu-server-cd-installation and a ubuntu-cd-installation with the option to have no X11.. ?!?
[10:33] <lionelp> mpathy: the only differences are the kernel installed by default and the content of the CD
[10:36] <mpathy> lionelp: No special scripts running after installation?
[10:36] <lionelp> no special scripts
[10:37] <mpathy> lionelp: But I thought I have seen a difference between ubuntu installation done with normal ubuntu cd and with ubuntu-server cd
[10:38] <lionelp> the kernel yes (and sure, it depends on the option you selected in the menu of the alternate CD)
[10:42] <mpathy> lionelp: Okay then perhaps I will only rewrite the sources.list of my Debian Minimal. Where can I find infos about the kernel they use on Ubuntu-Server and where I find the packages it installs to have a look?
[10:47] <lionelp> packages.ubuntu.com search for ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standard
[10:47] <mpathy> But hey, okay, I am already lucky when I can use the up-to-date packages plus security updates for them for my server :)
[10:47] <lionelp> For the kernel, search on packages.ubuntu.com for "linux-image" and have a look on the packages that ends with -server
[10:48] <lionelp> (the full name depends on your arch)
[10:57] <mpathy> Thanks - I also read something about a bunch of metapackages for server needs - I really looking forward for them :)
[11:05] <mpathy> I also was happy to see your server guide describes the dream team postfix and dovecot :) http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/email-services.html :)
[11:07] <screeb> Hi, is the Ubuntu Server Team aware of this thread: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=191858 ?
[11:09] <screeb> It seems like a fork at this time :(
[11:11] <fabbione> nothing new that hasn't been discussed yet
[11:11] <fabbione> there was a project to do something similar that died after a week
[11:11] <fabbione> nobody is willing to do the real work
[11:12] <fabbione> so people rants and complain..
[11:12] <fabbione> and there is nothing new about it either
[11:21] <screeb> where can we find about this project?
[11:21] <fabbione> server mailing list
[11:21] <fabbione> the project was callled server express or something
[11:21] <screeb> ok
[11:23] <screeb> do you think we can find motived ones about this project?
[11:24] <screeb> maybe with more people, there will be more motivation :)
[11:25] <fabbione> that's up to the people.. everybody is welcome to do stuff
[11:26] <TrioTorus> screeb, u talking about the small business server spec?
[11:27] <TrioTorus> I just read your http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1172640&posted=1#post1172640
[11:28] <TrioTorus> I'm also wondering why the sbs spec is still under UbuntuDownUnder/Bof? Wasn't that because of an event that ended long time ago?
[11:28] <TrioTorus> (on wiki I mean)
[11:28] <screeb> several specs are linked to this, but here this is the "Web based tools to manage server through web interface" spec
[11:28] <screeb> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/administer-server-via-web-interface
[11:29] <screeb> but, I agree this is very linked :)
[12:31] <screeb> is Ubuntu SBS dead?
[12:32] <TrioTorus> I hope not
[12:33] <TrioTorus> just discovered this spec, think it needs interlinking with other specs badly. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-small-business-server
[12:34] <TrioTorus> Anybody know Mark Ramm who initiated the spec?
[12:36] <TrioTorus> not much of a community spirit going on here unfortunately :-(
[12:38] <infinity> SBS is a worthless spec without first having the software to back it up.
[12:38] <infinity> If people want to go out and write cute GUI management tools that actually WORK, I'll happily resurrect SBS and make it go.
[12:39] <infinity> But giving people an install with a bunch of daemons they don't know how to use and a GUI whose sole purpose is to fire up a terminal to manage the system is really silly.
[12:40] <TrioTorus> infinity, so what do you reccon is the first thing that should happen next?
[12:40] <screeb> So you think webmin is incomplete, or you think it has to be fully rewrite?
[12:41] <screeb> s/rewrite/rewrited
[12:42] <infinity> webmin is poorly-concieved, broken-by-design, and not even included in Ubuntu anymore.
[12:42] <screeb> ok
[12:42] <TrioTorus> infinity, what is your idea on using fds as a start
[12:42] <screeb> and do you think there is a project we can use to begin?
[12:44] <infinity> TrioTorus: Getting FDS packaged and included in the archive is a goal, but installing it by default isn't going to help any "small business" users withough simple ways to manage it.
[12:46] <screeb> yes, I think the point is to have a (web?) managment tool
[12:46] <TrioTorus> infinity, okay, but it currently doesn't have a package maintainer even. Wouldn't it be good to assign one, so a small team could see where it is now and start wrapping it.
[12:46] <screeb> then why not managing FDS from this tool, but this is not where we have to start from...
[12:47] <TrioTorus> screeb, not too sure. I think an LDAP implementation would be a good point to start from.
[12:47] <screeb> we could have a web managment tool that support both OpenLDAP and FDS
[12:48] <screeb> yes, but this should only be a feature of our managment tool
[12:49] <TrioTorus> We need to gahter a group that can start on one of the two: fds or openldap, but right now, there is no directionl
[12:51] <TrioTorus> screeb, network authentication is a pretty basic service a SBS should offer. I don't think there is any doubt that LDAP is the way for that. Since of its growing services that hook onto it, it should be the core thing.
[12:51] <TrioTorus> of a sbs
[12:52] <screeb> I think we should have a modular web inteface, then the user could chose the ones he whants to activate.
[12:54] <TrioTorus> say we want to activate DHCP, NFS, Authentication just by clicking 'enable'. Good, I agree, but doesn't it get silly if after all that he want to implement LDAP?
[12:55] <TrioTorus> s/want/wants/
[12:56] <TrioTorus> I think there should be some basic core system there, and hook all the other onto it. The very nature of LDAP.
[12:56] <screeb> the user could click 'enable LDAP' :)
[12:57] <TrioTorus> screeb, I think the discussion in the thread leans more towards an easy installable small business server. The users of that shouldn't even need to know exactly what ldap is.
[12:58] <screeb> I agree such a tool needs to support LDAP, but I think the user should be able not to use it
[12:58] <TrioTorus> by 'user' I actualy ment 'deployer'
[12:59] <screeb> well, I have to go
[12:59] <TrioTorus> oh that 's a pity
[12:59] <TrioTorus> but hey, keep on discussing
[12:59] <screeb> yes, but later ;)
[12:59] <TrioTorus> no probs
[01:00] <Zambezi> Do you know why cryptsetup-luks can't be installed on Dapperserver? "The packages is broke" or something like that was the errormessages.
[01:01] <TrioTorus> infinity, would it be possible to schedule a discussion in this forum on SBS?
[01:04] <infinity> At some point, but certainly not right now.  I'm busy in Paris now, then travelling home, then taking a week vacation at the beginning of July.
[01:05] <infinity> After all that, I'd be open to sitting down with some people on IRC and discussing SBS stuff.  it came up a bit here in Paris, and my "not worth it until people write management tools that don't suck" opinion was solidified.
[01:06] <TrioTorus> infinity, okay, I agree it is solidified, but to motivate people to achieve that, some kind of roadmap would be nice.
[01:08] <TrioTorus> as someone mentioned in the thread 'eat the elephant one bit at a time'
[01:08] <TrioTorus> s/bit/bite
[01:18] <TrioTorus> Actually the server specs (braindumps) in launchpad that are already there, are they going to be assigned to the 'edgy' release or is this going to be an 'edgy_server' release?
[02:01] <infinity> TrioTorus: We always release ubuntu and ubuntu-server simultaenously, since they share the same archive.
[02:03] <screeb> infinity: what is your point of view? Do you think LDAP should be the core system of SBS?
[02:04] <TrioTorus> infinity, thx. Actually I think that is great. It means that you would always be able to make the transtion between a desktop and a server system just by choosing packages.
[02:07] <screeb> And if LDAP is the core of SBS, should all confs be in LDAP server, or should it be possible to configure services from an other way (config files for exemple)?
[02:08] <screeb> TrioTorus: do you think all services confs have to be in ldap?
[02:12] <infinity> Oh, eww.  No.
[02:12] <TrioTorus> screeb, well, LDAP is just a way of storing data in a tree.
[02:13] <infinity> Making people's config files move to a corruptible LDAP databse is really, really dumb.
[02:13] <edneymatias> hello all there
[02:13] <infinity> Use LDAP for what it's good for: Managing individual records (like users and groups), don't try to reimplement the Windows registry in LDAP.
[02:13] <infinity> There's a reason we don't have a registry, and it's not because we don't know how.
[02:16] <screeb> I agree ;)
[02:16] <TrioTorus> well, configuring all different textfiles isn't exactly fun
[02:18] <TrioTorus> a central registry is not necessarily rejectable, if it is well done and not easily corruptable, why not?
[02:19] <TrioTorus> do stuff in ldap server --> stream that down to a system conffiles, if ldap is corrupt, protect and keep on using conffiles.
[02:21] <neuralis> TrioTorus: i have a better idea: how about you keep those filthy ldap tentacles miles away from my ages-old, tried and true, perfectly adequate conf files?
[02:22] <neuralis> if you think centrally managing conf files is a problem, and think "i know, i'll use ldap!", now you have two problems.
[02:23] <neuralis> for people who need this kind of stuff, cfengine2 et al ar the way to go. indiscriminately choosing to stick things into a database and hope really hard that everything gets easier to manage is.. well, is simply not going to happen in ubuntu server.
[02:23] <TrioTorus> neuralis, you're not giving reasons.
[02:25] <neuralis> TrioTorus: i don't have to; you're proposing a change in the way something has worked for thirty or forty years, in the name of handwavy nonsense about ease of management. the burden of proof lies solely on you to prove why this is not a terrible idea, not at all on me to prove why it is.
[02:26] <neuralis> TrioTorus: as for FDS, ajmitch plans to package it for edgy, last i heard.
[02:26] <neuralis> ajmitch: can you confirm? --^
[02:29] <TrioTorus> neuralis, you think different syntax on conffiles is actually a good thing? Isn't that what keeps people to write good admin tools?
[02:30] <neuralis> TrioTorus: no, i think living in the real world is actually a good thing. you know what the "enterprise architect" and "IT thought leader" crowds were saying when xml rolled around? that it would be the LAST word on config files. that we are soon entering configuration and interoperability nirvana.
[02:31] <TrioTorus> okay, so it hasn't happened yet. Should we not look any further?
[02:31] <neuralis> TrioTorus: this massive self-congratulatory xml circlewank aside, somehow i don't see very many xml config files these days. those that i do don't care much at all in the way of any interoperability.
[02:31] <infinity> We're not going to rewrite the configuration for every single piece of free software in the world.
[02:32] <neuralis> TrioTorus: the point is that you're proposing blue-sky solutions that would be really nice if they worked, except they can't possibly.
[02:32] <TrioTorus> infinity, of course not, once there is a good base, people who write a too will adopt the initial idea
[02:32] <infinity> And if you propose an LDAP<->conffile translator that makes sure they're always in sync, YOU JUST WROTE PARSERS FOR ALL THE CONFIG FILES, so why have them in LDAP as well?
[02:33] <neuralis> TrioTorus: different software makes (often subtly, but irreconcileably) different demands of their configuration systems; trying to unify them is a battle that you lost before you ever start fighting it.
[02:33] <infinity> TrioTorus: As an apache upstream maintainer, I can guarantee we wouldn't go and change how apache is configured just because others decided that some new whizbang thing was the standard.
[02:34] <infinity> Same goes for ISC stuff (like dhcpd and bind)
[02:34] <TrioTorus> neuralis, okay, so you're putting my feet back on the ground. Fine. But still think there is room for improvement.
[02:35] <screeb> well, I also think we can not changes erveythings like you say TrioTorus, and I think it would be a bad idea
[02:35] <neuralis> TrioTorus: by all means, improve away. but before you do, convince yourself that there's no magic bullet.
[02:35] <TrioTorus> infinity, indeed, whether to have them in ldap or just keep them as textfiles is not relevant.
[02:35] <screeb> I don't have much time today, I will try to write a paper on who I see the things
[02:36] <neuralis> TrioTorus: it is relevant; keeping conf files in ldap for no good reason is nuts.
[02:40] <TrioTorus> okay, conf files shouldn't be in ldap. They don't need to be as they are never going to be queried by other systems. I see that now.
[02:44] <TrioTorus> the 'write a new parser for every conf file' is still there, and that seems to be the situation linux is in. Forgive me for thinking about blue skies.
[02:44] <TrioTorus> but those blue skies are the direction that people new to linux/ubuntu are thinking in.
[02:50] <TrioTorus> I think Ubuntu Desktop does fullfill promises. At this point, easily setting up and managing a server is not a promise of Ubuntu. It can't be right now, but trying to promise that in the future, we could.
[03:06] <eanders> hi all,
[03:07] <eanders> does anyone know how to upgrade a server to have a basic xwindows gui?
[03:08] <lionelp> what a basic xwindows gui is ?
[03:08] <lionelp> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop to get an XUbuntu desktop
[03:09] <lionelp> same with ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop to get a more eavy desktop with Gnome or KDE
[03:52] <Detox_Elive> hey folks got a prob.....
[03:53] <Detox_Elive> set up a ubuntu server ,, can access web fine , but my router does not see it
[03:53] <Detox_Elive> would like to review settings of /etc/network/interfaces ??
[03:56] <lionelp> Detox_Elive: this is not a #ubuntu-server question, this is a #ubuntu question :)
[03:57] <Detox_Elive> ok so I ned to go to that room?
[03:58] <lionelp> yep, that's what you did :)
[03:59] <Detox_Elive> oki
[04:07] <edneymatias> how can i manage x to accept remote client connections?
[04:12] <lionelp> edneymatias: I personnaly do not know, but this is a #ubuntu question, not relative to server
[04:15] <edneymatias> ok lionelp..thank you...i will also try it there...but...better go to #xorg ;)
[04:17] <jeldert> How do I add my HP Deskjet (USB) printer to Ubuntu server? I cannot find how to do it anywhere.
[07:57] <andyakadum> anyone know how to install headless?
[08:07] <dts> What's the best approach to modify the install CD to include a couple more packages and run a few set up scripts once it's done?
[10:04] <Detox_Elive> hello folks ,,, got my apache working,, and now am beginning to build my site ,, the question I have is this.... where do I put the actual website?  in the /var/www folder or in my home/ as subfolder?
[11:01] <MystaMax> if you set it up as /var/www as the default directory then it'll be there
[11:01] <MystaMax> but you can specify where ever via the .conf file
[11:02] <MystaMax> but you should ask these questions in #ubuntu. this channel is for server development questions
[11:03] <Detox_Elive> ok thanks