[03:13] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Whoa what's happening in here on the Matrix side? I can't get in anymore.
[03:13] <arraybolt3> (Yes I know that's an unhelpful bug report, bear with me...)
[03:14] <arraybolt3> When I try to click the link to the new upgraded room, it tells me "MatrixError: [403] You do not belong to any of the required rooms/spaces to join this room. (https://matrix-client.matrix.org/_matrix/client/r0/join/!QrWnvkWVfvqDCEyhyI%3Amatrix.org?server_name=matrix.org)".
[03:15] <arraybolt3> And if I leave the room and search for it so I can join the right one, it doesn't show up in a search.
[03:15] <arraybolt3> It let me transition over to the upgraded Ubuntu Studio Support room just fine.
[03:16] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Let me fix it.
[03:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, thanks, that worked!
[03:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> Part of it is because the Matrix side of this room is invite only.
[03:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, OK.
[03:19] <arraybolt3[m]> I saw Simon and others in here and thought it might be an error on my side, since my Matrix is so buggy.
[03:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> The room was still stuck on version 1, and needed to be upgraded to version 9.
[03:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> Simon is here because his Telegram is here.
[03:19] <arraybolt3[m]> (E2EE is broken somewhere deep for me, I'm locked out of a space I created and am an admin of... sometimes Matrix is a mess :P)
[03:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yikes.
[03:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh hey that's cool!
[03:21] <arraybolt3[m]> (THe Ubuntu Studio space, I mean)
[03:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah. :)
[03:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> And the offtopic room's bridge works now too due to the upgrade.
[03:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Very nice.
[03:23] <arraybolt3[m]> I had #ubuntu-workshop:matrix.org working, but now Fallen is the only person still in there, and I can't get it. Apparently neither can anyone else. :(
[03:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oof.
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Your connection OK?
[19:08] <OvenWerks> seems for a bit. I don't know what happened earlier. It was not lots of reboots or anything like that. ISP stuff.
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> Most likely ISP. We had some wind yesterday, wasn't sure if you were affected up north there.


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[12:45] <Conspiracy> Greetings all
[12:46] <Conspiracy> will xubuntu work on an old system aka athlon 600 256mb ram
[12:49] <Conspiracy> heh anyone alive in here or is the undead room :p
[12:56] <vidd> Conspiracy, yes....it should work niecly
[01:03] <rolfen> hey guys... what is FUSE?
[01:04] <rolfen> supposedly you can use FUSE to browse windows shares in thunar... but what exactly is FUSE
[01:04] <Pumpernickel> It's the filesystem in userspace framework.
[01:04] <rolfen> thanks
[01:05] <rolfen> do you have the link to the fuse homepage?
[01:05] <rolfen> i am googling but i did not find anything
[01:05] <rolfen> oh ok i found the sourceforge page
[01:09] <Conspiracy> Hmm should and are are 2 diffrent things aparently lol it took 5 min to boot and well 10 min ago I clicked the install shortcut and its hanging, might be that it has a more then anchient vid card in it as well, the vid card only has 8mb ram lol
[01:09] <Conspiracy> scratch the hang time its locked
[01:12] <Pumpernickel> Try the alternate cd.  It uses a more mature installation system.
[01:13] <Conspiracy> think I might do that thanks im going to try and pass some things to the kernel first hehe this thing is anchient it still has 2 ISA slots on it the bios is pre 1997
[01:17] <Conspiracy> im just trying to find somthign that will work on that box to justify keeping it around lol somthing semi usefull and easir to work with Damn Small Linux which seems to be semi broken I can get it to install I go through the steps to make it a full debian like install aka able to use apt-get and well apt-get still seems to be broken
[01:18] <Conspiracy> esier to work with then DSL rather
[01:19] <Conspiracy> thought about doing gentoo but I dont feel like wasteing a week or 2 to get everything compiled lol
[01:19] <rolfen> u guys think downloading the alternate cd is better?
[01:19] <rolfen> damn i have started downloading the live cd!
[01:21] <rolfen> Conspiracy ubuntu is good and works out of the box... mostly... exept for some multimedia stuff that you have to install yourself due to licence issues
[01:21] <Conspiracy> heh as I look at my ISO folder on my computer I just relised I have 20 diffrent flavers of linux
[01:21] <Conspiracy> im not too worried about multimedia
[01:22] <Conspiracy> thats what this box is for just somthing to check mail and surf when my wife steals my main pc cause she hates her laptop and well so do I lol
[01:23] <rolfen> well you'll need to install the flash plugin and movie plugins to see online videos but that's about it
[01:24] <rolfen> did u try fedora?
[01:24] <Conspiracy> I wish I could just migrate fully to linux I like it so much better the windbolws, but til I can find some decent broadcasting software for linux im stuck, as far as surfing I mainly just hit my stations forums and the irc :D
[01:25] <Conspiracy> I havent tried fedora in years
[01:25] <Conspiracy> since core 3 I think
[01:25] <rolfen> me neither :)
[01:26] <Conspiracy> Im a bog mandriva and gentoo fan personally
[01:26] <Conspiracy> er *big
[01:26] <rolfen> hey you can run shoutcast to broadcast on from a linux box!
[01:27] <Conspiracy> right well I have a 500 person shoutcast host, im looking for somthing like radio automation software, like SAM Broacaster
[01:27] <rolfen> oh i dont know about that
[01:27] <Conspiracy> thats the standard of our company
[01:28] <Conspiracy> yeah Ive been digging ofr about a month now looking
[01:28] <Conspiracy> but to no avail
[01:37] <thorsdecree> anyone want to try to help me set up internet connection manually?
[01:38] <thorsdecree> ne1 here who knows about networking?
[02:14] <nikolam> Hello
[02:14] <rolfen> hello
[02:15] <nikolam> What Bit Torrent Client with encryption do you use on Xubuntu?
[02:15] <rolfen> sorry i forgot :)
[02:15] <nikolam> I previously used Azureus on windows but as I moved to Xubuntu, I am wondering..
[02:16] <rolfen> my xubuntu install is gone and i forgot which one i used
[02:16] <nikolam> Beacouse Azureus use just too much memory
[02:16] <nikolam> Ahh :)
[02:16] <nikolam> Why is gone?
[02:16] <nikolam> I am thinking abou deluge-torrent
[02:16] <rolfen> i reinstalled windows... and could not boot into xubuntu anymore
[02:17] <rolfen> you can go into synaptic and search for "bittorrent"
[02:17] <nikolam> That is not a problem is xubuntu on separate partition?
[02:17] <rolfen> yeah it was on a separate partition!
[02:18] <nikolam> Didi you try to boot from xubuntu CD again and launch repair shell from CD?
[02:18] <rolfen> well i have the alternate install CD
[02:18] <nikolam> I done something like that
[02:18] <nikolam> And with alternate
[02:18] <rolfen> i havent tried
[02:18] <nikolam> Boot to shell
[02:18] <rolfen> but now it's too late... the partition is overwritten
[02:18] <nikolam> Ypu have chroot command
[02:19] <rolfen> yes?
[02:19] <nikolam> Ergh, impationed one :)
[02:19] <rolfen> :)
[02:19] <nikolam> I switched fully to xubuntu on news HD
[02:19] <nikolam> new HD
[02:19] <nikolam> I use Seamonkey for mail, news and web
[02:19] <rolfen> i am downloading ubuntu feisty now and will install it tomorrow
[02:20] <nikolam> All bookmarks, hitory and mail, news database just switched, like I am still on windows :)
[02:20] <rolfen> cool
[02:20] <nikolam> Xubuntu/ubuntu are mostly the same
[02:20] <rolfen> yeah but with the xcfe instead of gnome
[02:20] <nikolam> just edited prefs.js in mozilla profile directory :)
[02:21] <nikolam> You can add both xfce to ubuntu as well as gnome to xubuntu
[02:21] <nikolam> :)
[02:21] <nikolam> And use Both :)
[02:21] <nikolam> As you like
[02:21] <nikolam> it is basically teh same thing :)
[02:21] <rolfen> yeah
[02:22] <rolfen> where is prefs.js in windows?
[02:22] <nikolam> So, well in your home directory. It is the same thing for firefox And Thunderbird as well as seamonkey
[02:22] <rolfen> ah ok i found it
[02:22] <rolfen> thanks :)
[02:22] <rolfen> i used locate for windows
[02:22] <nikolam> C:\Documents and settings\username\Application data\Mozilla
[02:23] <nikolam> And look under that regarding what mozilla product you use
[02:23] <nikolam> on linux it it /home/username/.mozilla
[02:24] <rolfen> yup
[02:24] <nikolam> anyway, happy (x)ubuntuing :)
[02:24] <rolfen> thanks :)
[02:24] <rolfen> u too :D
[02:24] <nikolam> Many happy thoughts from Serbia :) (Europe)
[02:24] <nikolam> CU
[02:59] <Panthe1> Hi am wondering if any1 can help me, I am installing Xubuntu onto an old P2 366 w/ 64mb Ram, and I am having a problem, everytime the installer gets to Select and install software > 65% Configuring Anthy   It just freezes, i have left it sitting for approximately 2 hours, and it is just doing nothing. Does any1 have any ideas?
[03:03] <Panthe1> ahh never mind I found problem listed in forums, Thankyou
[03:41] <nikolam> Hello
[03:42] <nikolam> Didi anyone found a way to tell windows manager to Remember where windows should be placed?
[03:43] <nikolam> E.G. not to start the same program every time on different place on the screen?
[03:43] <nikolam> I suppose it is window manager`s job. xfwm4 i suppose
[03:44] <Pumpernickel> !info devilspie
[03:44] <ubotu> devilspie: find windows and perform actions on them. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.20.2-1 (feisty), package size 33 kB, installed size 132 kB
[03:44] <nikolam> hmm :)
[03:45] <nikolam> Will try it :)
[04:17] <CapnJack> Hello
[04:30] <cheeseboy> how do i patch a kernel?
[04:31] <Jester45> are you wanting to update ?
[04:35] <CapnJack> I want to dump windows as a server os, I like the rich GUI of xubuntu, is it well suited to use as 100% remote server?
[04:35] <Jester45> yes
[04:36] <CapnJack> awesome
[04:36] <Jester45> you can install a cli only server if you want for extra speed
[04:36] <CapnJack> cli only, as in "client only"?
[04:36] <Jester45> command line only
[04:37] <CapnJack> ah, so I would lose the nice "remote desktop" feel?
[04:37] <Jester45> you can remotly connect with ssh
[04:37] <Jester45> it would be text only
[04:38] <CapnJack> if I do that is there any point in using vnc to administer?
[04:38] <Jester45> linux's command line is a lot better and more powerful than window's. and it is what many gui programs use
[04:38] <Jester45> you cant, there will be no gui
[04:38] <cheeseboy> anyone?
[04:39] <Jester45> you could install it as normal with gui. then after you get used to linux (if your not allready) you can switch very simply without a reinstall
[04:39] <Jester45> cheeseboy, i asked if your just wanting to update
[04:39] <CapnJack> i see
[04:40] <cheeseboy> Jester45, i want to patch to add support for xbox hardware\
[04:40] <CapnJack> will still run all the same server apps as gui?
[04:40] <Jester45> CapnJack, what apps are you talking about
[04:40] <CapnJack> specifically cPanel
[04:40] <CapnJack> and apache
[04:40] <CapnJack> I guess
[04:41] <Jester45> cheeseboy, so... you might want to look at modprobe
[04:41] <Jester45> CapnJack, both of those are (on linux) commandline programs
[04:41] <cheeseboy> Jester45, i need to apply the patch first
[04:43] <Jester45> CapnJack, cPanel is php right? like wordpress and phpBB
[04:44] <CapnJack> I think cPanel itself is not php no
[04:45] <CapnJack> it's a webhosting control panel and supports php and mysql
[04:45] <Jester45> but what does it run as
[04:45] <Jester45> im looking into it now
[04:46] <CapnJack> I'm not really sure, I'm a linux noob.
[04:46] <CapnJack> as an apache plugin perhaps?
[04:46] <Jester45> i figured that so i added in that you might like to start on a gui then later after you not some stuff you can switch to gain some speed
[04:47] <Jester45> no it wouldnt be like that
[04:47] <Jester45> CapnJack, how do you install on windows
[04:47] <Jester45> install it*
[04:47] <CapnJack> cPanel doesn't run on Windows
[04:47] <Jester45> really
[04:47] <CapnJack> really
[04:48] <CapnJack> that's part of the reason I want to switch
[04:48] <CapnJack> nothing runs on Windows for very long anyway
[04:49] <Jester45> even the kernel :) people reinstall so much
[04:49] <Pumpernickel> cheeseboy: #xbox-linux on oftc.net for Ubuntu/xbox support.
[04:49] <Jester45> Pumpernickel, do you know how cPanel works? is ita program or somthing that apache runs like wordpress
[04:51] <Pumpernickel> I don't use it.
[04:51] <Jester45> CapnJack, it should run on command line only if not... its not a good program
[04:52] <Jester45> CapnJack, but you could use the gui to set things up as it might be easier for a new user
[04:52] <Jester45> then later remove the gui to make the server faster and more secure
[04:52] <CapnJack> I can't run command line only programs on xubuntu?
[04:52] <Jester45> you can
[04:53] <Jester45> many programs are cli only or use it as a backend
[04:53] <CapnJack> ok, then they are administered via ssh or are they accessible from a command prompt within the gui?
[04:53] <CapnJack> ..or both?
[04:53] <Jester45> both
[04:53] <Jester45> linux is very flexible
[04:53] <CapnJack> ok, great, thank you so much
[04:53] <Jester45> you can ssh in from a remote computer
[04:54] <Jester45> or for xubuntu you can run Terminal to get a command prompt. if you do decide on useing linux you might want to read a little on how to use bash and to make bash scripts
[04:55] <shirish> guys what package controls the login , like gdm login is for GNOME
[04:55] <Jester45> gdm
[04:55] <nikolam> well... gdm :)
[04:55] <Jester45> shirish, gdm on both ubuntu and xubuntu. kubuntu is the only non-gdm
[04:55] <shirish> oh ok
[04:55] <nikolam> I tried xdm but than Screen saver wont start automatically.
[04:56] <nikolam> so I get back to gdm
[04:56] <shirish> I am using actually 7.10 tribe 2 with xfce & GNOME, is there anyway to know if I'm using xdm as login manager or GDM ?
[04:56] <Jester45> CapnJack, if you need help with anything come back in im here a lot.
[04:57] <CapnJack> thanks so much
[04:57] <nikolam> ps -A | grep gdm
[04:58] <Jester45> wrong window :)
[04:58] <shirish> shirish@ubuntu:~$ ps -A | grep gdm
[04:58] <shirish>  4662 ?        00:00:00 gdm
[04:58] <shirish>  4663 ?        00:00:01 gdm
[04:58] <shirish> Is this ok?
[04:58] <nikolam> There it is :) using gdm.
[04:58] <Jester45> shirish, run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:58] <Jester45> or stop then start
[04:59] <Jester45> and it should kill all the non kneeded ones
[04:59] <Pumpernickel> ...as well as your current session.
[04:59] <nikolam> Eh, I have a question, how to manually switch from xdm to gdm and back?
[04:59] <Pumpernickel> Nice one, Jester45.
[04:59] <Pumpernickel> Would you mind not giving advice like that in the future?
[05:00] <Jester45> nikolam, sudo etc/init.d/xdm stop then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[05:00] <Jester45> Pumpernickel, what?
[05:00] <Pumpernickel> Jester45: Telling him to restart his current gdm session without telling him what will happen.
[05:00] <Pumpernickel> 23:03:50 < Jester45> shirish, run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:00] <nikolam> And what will start next time upon reboot. xdm or gdm?
[05:00] <Pumpernickel> 23:04:27 -!- shirish<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit ["Leaving."]
[05:01] <Jester45> Pumpernickel, o .. sorry
[05:01] <Jester45> Pumpernickel, how was i suposed to know what would happen
[05:02] <Jester45> :)
[05:02] <Pumpernickel> You DID tell him what to do.
[05:02] <Pumpernickel> You DID know what would happen.
[05:02] <Jester45> no what you never want to tell someone is to run sudo rm -rf /
[05:02] <Pumpernickel> You DIDN'T tell him what would happen.
[05:02] <nikolam> ok ok, xdm/gdm start/stop does starting and stopping but where to make it permanent manually?
[05:03] <nikolam> Wow jester you are scaring us :)
[05:03] <Jester45> nikolam, maybe remove the one you dont want
[05:04] <Jester45> shirish, sorry for not telling you what would happen]
[05:04] <nikolam> Ok, moral of the story: Look carefully what you are telling to be non-destructive to avarage Joe :)
[05:04] <shirish> oh that's ok :)
[05:04] <nikolam> I aleready done that :)
[05:04] <Jester45> Pumpernickel, no harm done... yet
[05:04] <shirish> like the ...yet part ;)
[05:04] <nikolam> Ok, I will look at some documentation or so :()
[05:04] <nikolam> :)
[05:05] <Jester45> nikolam, but you didnt mount a servers / as read only... then make the owner of that server waste a day waiting for me to come online and to tell him how to fix it
[05:05] <shirish> guys, the thing is I have filed a bug for gdm login stuff, but I need to put right words in it, otherwise it comes out wrong.
[05:06] <shirish> what I have done is used ubuntu 7.10 & installed xubuntu-desktop on top of it.
[05:06] <nikolam> Jester: ;,,)
[05:06] <Jester45> what spawns init? grub maybe
[05:06] <shirish> right, grub does the boot-loading
[05:06] <Jester45> so grub runs init
[05:06] <shirish> although do have the option to also use grub2
[05:07] <Jester45> or is there a pre init process
[05:07] <shirish> Jester45: were u asking me what is my boot-loader or was that a question for nikolam
[05:08] <shirish> for I don't know anything about init, although do know that GRUB is my bootloader
[05:08] <Jester45> i was asking a question for my self to the whole channel
[05:08] <shirish> ah ok
[05:08] <shirish> sorry
[05:08] <rolfen> !init
[05:08] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[05:08] <rolfen> sorry couldnt help it :)
[05:08] <nikolam> Niice :)
[05:08] <shirish> thanx rolfen
[05:09] <Jester45> i guess grub does it
[05:09] <rolfen> grub loads the kernel
[05:09] <rolfen> which loads init
[05:09] <rolfen> afaik
[05:10] <Jester45> what i wanna know is why firefox is a "lightweight browser" yet its using 150mb ram
[05:10] <rolfen> Jester45 have you tried IE7 :D
[05:10] <shirish> Jester45: I guess its all relative, FF is supposed to be lighter than IE (on windows), and then you have epiphany which is considerably lighter
[05:11] <Jester45> lynx wtf
[05:11] <shirish> what's ftw?
[05:11] <nikolam> I use Seamonkey :) For both mail, news and Web and I get Lower memory consumption for both uses Combined.
[05:12] <nikolam> It worked on win, It works now on Xubuntu, even better :)
[05:12] <shirish> and then in 7.10 we also have icecape, supposed to have also lower memory foot-print
[05:13] <nikolam> I look forward to iceape. But I did not see it in Tribe2 :*(
[05:13] <nikolam> Lower footprint but if you compare it to firefox+thunderbird combination.
[05:13] <shirish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/124536
[05:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124536 in gdm "GDM login doesn't respect/stick the chosen locale" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[05:14] <nikolam> But I think almost the same as FF just for browsing
[05:14] <shirish> nikolam: its there in tribe2
[05:14] <shirish> I am using it
[05:14] <nikolam> I will see for It. Maybe I didnt saw it upon install
[05:15] <nikolam> I suppose it shoud be installed after install
[05:15] <shirish> nikolam: correction I can use it, although currently using FF3 as my main browser
[05:15] <nikolam> ok :)
[05:15] <shirish> nikolam: if you are using tribe 2 look for iceape, it will give you the whole suite
[05:15] <nikolam> anyway I will not move from 7.04 until 7.10 is stable :)
[05:16] <nikolam> I will se. I was just testing it A bit
[05:16] <shirish> its in universe though, not in mains atm
[05:17] <nikolam> So, what do you think when you compare gnome and xfce :)
[05:17] <nikolam> I always disliked ubuntu gnome`s brown style.
[05:17] <nikolam> And I just LOVE xfce`s configurability
[05:18] <nikolam> shirish: How iceape works do it works the same as seamonkey?
[05:19] <nikolam> any differences?
[05:23] <shirish> nikolam: haven't really played with either much, I usually use webmail but can see as far as memory consumption , if it uses more or less
[05:23] <Jester45> nikolam, there are things called themes
[05:23] <Jester45> and that have non brown ones to!!!
[05:24] <nikolam> Hmm. but default look is one I dont like. You know, if I install it on 20 machines or give it to 20 friends..
[05:24] <nikolam> but I like xfce :)
[05:24] <shirish> nikolam: you should try out some of the themes, some are real good
[05:25] <Jester45> or better yet use compiz+emerald
[05:25] <shirish> guys can somebody take a look at bug 124536 & lemme know if there is something missing, something I need to add?
[05:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124536 in gdm "GDM login doesn't respect/stick the chosen locale" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124536
[05:25] <rolfen> is gnome better then xfce?
[05:25] <nikolam> Yes, but for xfce:) I like the way I can configure it
[05:25] <shirish> rolfen: matter of opinion, I like both :)
[05:26] <nikolam> I like xfce better
[05:26] <shirish> nikolam: that's because the GNOME developers chose to howdo I put this, not give as much configuration options unless you dive down under
[05:26] <rolfen> i know xfce but havent tried gnome yet... downloading ubuntu right now
[05:26] <Jester45> all 3 being KDE gnome and xfce
[05:27] <shirish> me using 3 but GNOME, XFCE & fluxbox
[05:27] <nikolam> you can install all three desktop environments on same install. It is just a matter of what packages are installed. kda, gnome, xfce or all of them :)
[05:27] <shirish> fluxbox is the new guy on the block though, so haven't played much with it, but good news for older machines I guess
[05:27] <Jester45> fluxbox isnt new
[05:27] <shirish> it isn't new, but its new for me
[05:28] <shirish> as in doing day-to-day use, also they missed the whole 7.04 ubuntu development cycle
[05:28] <Jester45> ?
[05:29] <twiggz> i prefer zenwalk.
[05:29] <twiggz> xubuntu isnt _that_ bad...but its still a fat girl...i like skinny girls.
[05:29] <shirish> Jester45: read the fluxbox main page, its all given there, they wanted to release fluxbuntu 7.04 but were 3 months late, hence now concentrating on 7.10
[05:29] <Jester45> o
[05:30] <Jester45> o wel
[05:30] <Jester45> l
[05:30] <Jester45> i like DSL
[05:30] <shirish> hence fluxbox 1.0r3 where they are atm, I do like the way you can do some of the stuff in there.
[05:30] <shirish> same here, DSL is cool
[05:30] <shirish> Jester45: btw can you take a shot at bug 124536 and see if I'm missing or can give some more info.
[05:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124536 in gdm "GDM login doesn't respect/stick the chosen locale" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124536
[05:31] <nikolam> shirish: Great bug and very important one .
[05:31] <Jester45> shirish, i dont do bugs
[05:31] <Jester45> shirish, im just a very complex irc bot
[05:31] <shirish> Jester45: :P
[05:31] <nikolam> no, I thought to say it to ubotu, sorry
[05:32] <shirish> ok anybody if they think anything else is required to add please tell me
[05:32] <shirish> bug 124536
[05:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124536 in gdm "GDM login doesn't respect/stick the chosen locale" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124536
[05:32] <nikolam> Jester: never heard bot complaining on ff :)
[05:33] <shirish> rofl
[05:33] <shirish> as he said he is a very *complex* IRC bot
[05:33] <shirish> complex bots can do stuff like that lol :P
[05:34] <Jester45> im a Complexo bot version 9.3.1-RC7
[05:35] <shirish> shame, still in RC series lol :P
[05:35] <shirish> Jester45: I am sure you have heard of Turing Test
[05:36] <Jester45> i know nothing of Turning Test.  I installed Firestarter and it is nice for me, beacouse it is much like ZoneAlarm I used to use on Win. (without application control) Vut do you think is it good to use only that and what firewall setup/program do you prefer?
[05:37] <rolfen> i use good ol iptables hehe
[05:38] <rolfen> hardcore command line style
[05:38] <nikolam> The same as editing acces lists on firestarter, am I right? Firestarter uses iptables it is oonli GUI for iptables, right?
[05:38] <rolfen> but iptable can get very complex so it's really better to use a GUI
[05:39] <rolfen> yeah i think so
[05:39] <nikolam> Shirish: I felt the same way at first sight.
[05:40] <nikolam> But after a while, realices You dont have to do anything if you are running just a workstation :)
[05:40] <nikolam> If you have some server, only then you open a port for it and that`s it :)
[05:40] <rolfen> yeah true
[05:41] <Jester45> what about packet priority
[05:41] <rolfen> shirish i guess it does
[05:41] <rolfen> you mean tc?
[05:41] <nikolam> Every ubuntu install (besides server) is ws/home install
[05:41] <tonyyarusso> shirish: depends.  Do you work on it?
[05:41] <nikolam> LOL :))
[05:41] <Jester45> you have to set that up if you want a good speedy server
[05:42] <rolfen> Jester45 yup true
[05:42] <shirish> tonyyarusso: yup, day & night, except when mummy wants windows to play her games lol
[05:42] <rolfen> the most important part in my experience is prioritising the ACK packets
[05:42] <rolfen> so that uploads dont drown downloads
[05:43] <nikolam> rolfen: I will encourage mama to buy herself a PS3 :) and install Linux thare, too :))
[05:43] <rolfen> you can install linux on a PS3?
[05:44] <nikolam> Of course :) Yellow dog, Fedora 5/6, hmmm, debian, hmmm and someone reported ubuntu :)
[05:44] <rolfen> cool
[05:44] <nikolam> But only 256MB ram for main memory
[05:44] <nikolam> +256 for gpu
[05:45] <nikolam> Many Universities buy 6+ of them or so and run clusters :)
[05:45] <nikolam> on Cell
[05:45] <Jester45> the cpu is fast
[05:45] <shirish> rolfen: you can install linux & nikolam is right, also heard the bit about doing ubuntu on it
[05:45] <nikolam> But require kernel optinisation ..
[05:46] <nikolam> I only dislike that I cannot put easily 2 gigs of XDR RAM on PS3 :,)
[05:47] <nikolam> If I could i would say goodbye to PC for few years
[05:47] <nikolam> :)
[05:48] <Jester45> hi OGDA
[05:48] <Jester45> idk if you got it but your server is timing out
[05:48] <rolfen> what CPU does a PS3 have anyway?
[05:48] <Jester45> a Cell
[05:49] <rolfen> Cell...
[05:49] <rolfen> sounds cool
[05:49] <Jester45> http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell0_v2.html
[05:50] <rolfen> thanks
[05:50] <cheeseboy> can someone help me get xbox controler to work?
[05:52] <Pumpernickel> cheeseboy: This isn't the channel for xbox support.
[05:53] <cheeseboy> Pumpernickel, im not using an xbox
[05:53] <Jester45> its still xbox hardware
[05:59] <shirish> bb in a few
[06:06] <Chikubu> anybody home?
[06:06] <Jester45> no
[06:06] <Chikubu> ah perfect
[06:06] <Chikubu> was looking to pick some brains
[06:07] <Chikubu> like how can i tell what dameons are installed, and stop them from loading on startup?
[06:10] <Jester45> !bum
[06:10] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[06:11] <Chikubu> bum it is then
[06:11] <Chikubu> ive open windows and apps seem to reopen when i restart,  can i stop this behaviour?
[06:12] <Chikubu> ive noticed that is
[06:14] <Jester45> its xfce4-sesson
[06:15] <Jester45> you can remove it via settings -> sessions and startup settings -> uncheck auto save session
[06:15] <Chikubu> thnx
[06:16] <Chikubu> man im too easy on u\
[06:17] <Chikubu> here is a tougher one, ive lost my gui at boot, i get error message about kinit:name_to_dev+ ........by-uuid  and unable to resume, then i get a terminal logon, i can startx then, but would like the gui back...ive read around about this and there is no solution that seems applicable here, unless i still have some video card relic or setting stuck
[06:19] <Chikubu> and auto save session is turned off ugg
[07:00] <infbliss> hi all can somebody tell me how to give execute permissions to executables in windows vfat partitions
[07:00] <infbliss> i meant linux elf executables
[07:02] <Pumpernickel> You won't be able to permanently set perms on a fat partition, but if you mount it with a umask of, say, 000, they should be executable.
[07:04] <infbliss> Pumpernickel: I have this in /etc/fstab "rw,users,umask=000"
[07:04] <infbliss> Pumpernickel: I have this in /etc/fstab "rw,users,auto,umask=000"
[07:05] <Pumpernickel> What happens when you try to run them?
[07:06] <cheeseboy> Pumpernickel, my bad didnt know it set it for all networks
[07:06] <infbliss> Pumpernickel:access denied
[07:08] <infbliss> Pumpernickel: is there any use trying the "showexec" option
[07:08] <infbliss> Pumpernickel: right now i am not in a position to experiment because i have too many files open on that partition
[10:20] <gerro> I moved some files to a folder but I don't think that folder existed
[10:20] <gerro> and now the folder is there but its not a directory
[10:20] <gerro> don't know what I did and its also hidden like it was before
[11:18] <hyper_ch> hiho
[12:20] <hyper_ch> why is GDM constantly using very much cpu?
[01:39] <exw> i finally got the latest ndiswrapper to play nice with my card and ndiswrapper loads on boot but i have to set essid and key on every boot, even though the setting are in /etc/network/interfaces, any ideas?
[01:42] <hyper_ch> exw: nope
[01:43] <exw> yah its weird :-(
[01:44] <nikolam> Aargh
[01:45] <nikolam> TUX killed my seamonkey! ;I
[01:46] <nikolam> I just cant believe it I just installed that TUX penguin platform game and tryed to use open GL and went back turning off oglen gla AND. X server restarted and I loose: ALL seamonkey bookmarks, ALL preferences form all mail fol last few years (and tons of newsgroups)
[01:47] <nikolam> TUX die in hell!
[01:48] <nikolam> >:I
[02:41] <hyper_ch> help :)
[02:44] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: do you have any experience for a versioning system to write a scientific paper?
[02:44] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: what are you writing the paper in? latex?
[02:45] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I use OOo
[02:45] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I need it simple and plain forward ;)
[02:45] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: latex *is* simple for simple things
[02:45] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I don't know of any versioning system that would be good with binaries :/
[02:46] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: unless you kept your oo files unpacked XD
[02:46] <hyper_ch> OOo docs are binaries?
[02:46] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: they are zipped xml
[02:47] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: so unzipping them should be good?
[02:49] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: but I don't know if oo can open/save the unzipped files
[02:50] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: oh well, I'll see if I can figure something out :) thx for the help
[02:50] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: that's another 2 beers :)
[02:52] <TheSheep> lol
[02:53] <TheSheep> remember me to never visit Switzerland, or I'll die of liver malfunction ;)
[02:54] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: svn is pretty popular, so you will probably find lots of help/tutorials. Bazaar (bzr) and Mercurial (hg) are easy to use.
[02:54] <TheSheep> sv == subversion
[02:55] <TheSheep> svn
[02:55] <hyper_ch> I've had some dealings with svn yet
[02:55] <hyper_ch> but not much
[03:11] <assasukasse> hi everyone, i have a problem, i want to add some launchers to xubuntu panel, how should i do it?
[03:11] <assasukasse> also the menu editor in xubuntu doesn't work
[03:13] <kalikiana> assasukasse, right-click and choose 'add item', then 'launcher' in the opening window
[03:13] <assasukasse> kalikiana: what about the menu, how can i modify them?
[03:15] <kalikiana> assasukasse, Depends. Usually applications are filled in automatically from 'desktop' files.
[03:15] <assasukasse> kalikiana: did u notice that the menu editor doesn't work? what if i wanna add something to menu?
[03:16] <kalikiana> assasukasse, I never had any problems with it. Do you want to an app like office/bla or a main entry?
[03:16] <assasukasse> like if i wanna add sancho, how should i do it? for example..
[03:19] <kalikiana> assasukasse, If sancho is an app, create a desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications or alternatively /usr/share/applications
[03:19] <assasukasse> thanks kalikiana but i am installing xubuntu at my uncle, he is totally unable to do anything that is not windows like..
[03:20] <assasukasse> he is unable to create a desktop file..
[03:20] <kalikiana> assasukasse, Unfortunately I don't know of a graphical way to create menu items. Launchers in the panel would be his option then.
[03:21] <assasukasse> kalikiana: i think so too..i will install everything he needs, so that he doesn't need to add anything..
[03:21] <assasukasse> kalikiana: sound works out of the box right?
[03:22] <kalikiana> assasukasse, Did you try the application finder? That might be suitable for your uncle.
[03:22] <kalikiana> Sound should work out of the box, yes. Never had problems with the last three xbunutu releases.
[03:24] <assasukasse> kalikiana: i do have problems with one pc with integrated card here, but i suppose it was just unlucky
[03:24] <TheSheep> testing is good to prove presence of errors, but is hopelessly inadequate to prove their absence :)
[03:24] <kalikiana> pfffff
[03:24] <assasukasse> TheSheep: men learns only by his error, and only from the recent ones.
[03:24] <assasukasse> showertime :D
[03:24] <TheSheep> assasukasse: what about women?
[03:25] <TheSheep> anything that ends in yaki hhas got to have rice and sea weeds in it, bleah
[03:26] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Nope, it's rather similar to pancakes, but with sweet bean paste. ;)
[03:26] <TheSheep> kalikiana: no seaweeds?
[03:27] <TheSheep> Ibet sweet bean is just a fancy name for some species of seaweeds
[03:28] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Actually it's 'azuki beans', a very proteine-rich kind of red beans.
[03:29] <kalikiana> What's wrong about see weed anyway? I like them :)
[03:30] <TheSheep> hungry: nothing, really, just pulling your leg
[03:41] <assasukasse> kali|food: what is that dorayaki?
[03:42] <assasukasse> oh well, watever it is, must be better than natto...
[03:42] <assasukasse> natto, the yucckest thing on earth :D
[03:46] <assasukasse> TheSheep: i had a nice applet in windows, that was a sheep going around the desktop, climbing on windows, and doing many stuffs..is there something like that in lin?
[03:57] <TheSheep> assasukasse: yes
[03:57] <TheSheep> assasukasse: only it feature penguins
[04:04] <kalikiana> assasukasse, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorayaki (http://www.teanobi.com/recipe/japanese/dessert/dorayaki.html)
[04:13] <TheSheep> kalikiana: http://sokaisha.hp.infoseek.co.jp/030615/dorayaki.JPG
[04:13] <TheSheep> kalikiana: didn't know they come in the bunny flavor too
[04:19] <kalikiana> :P
[05:49] <nikolam> Why X windows system dies so often?
[05:50] <nikolam> I installed Super tux (stabile) platform game, turn OpenGl on, thrn switched it off
[05:50] <nikolam> And tux kills X windows
[05:50] <nikolam> And all my applications with it.
[05:51] <nikolam> So if applications on Linux work in preemptive multitasking, why crash of one application kill all X applications?
[05:51] <nikolam> ~:I
[05:52] <Pumpernickel> What video driver are you using?
[05:52] <nikolam> mga
[05:52] <nikolam> matrox g 400
[05:53] <reaVer> nikolam: the short answer pretty much is: any application sends commands to X
[05:53] <reaVer> X handles those requests
[05:53] <reaVer> and that's what you'll be seeing on your display
[05:54] <reaVer> and that's how your application receives events
[05:54] <reaVer> if anything in X fucks up horribly, X crashes
[05:54] <reaVer> and all the applications that were connected to X get a disconnect and usually close
[05:55] <reaVer> I probably don't have to explain the scope of your problem:P
[05:55] <nikolam> How to configure X not to close all applications, so I can re-attach them on X restart?
[05:55] <nikolam> ;)
[05:55] <reaVer> you can't
[05:55] <nikolam> its not screen ;)
[05:55] <reaVer> applications can offer this option, but usually don't
[05:55] <nikolam> Thank you for your answer, so this is faulted by design,,
[05:56] <reaVer> can you reproduce the problem with a different OpenGL application?
[05:56] <reaVer> like Mame?
[05:56] <reaVer> nikolam: it could very well be your graphics card driver as Pumpernickel suggested
[05:56] <nikolam> hmm, will install mama and I will get back
[05:56] <reaVer> mame
[05:56] <reaVer> not mama
[05:56] <reaVer> mame
[05:56] <reaVer> sdlmame
[05:56] <nikolam> yes, emulator ok. I ll try
[05:56] <reaVer> which isn't in ubuntu, so you'd have to compile yourself
[05:57] <nikolam> Beautiful :)
[05:57] <nikolam> OK
[05:57] <reaVer> http://rbelmont.mameworld.info/?page_id=163 <---- given you know how it works ofcourse:P
[05:57] <nikolam> we have Mama in ubuntu
[05:57] <reaVer> I believe alt+home switches between soft and opengl
[05:58] <nikolam> xmame-tools, xmame, xmame-common and to on
[05:58] <reaVer> xmame is a little out of date:P
[05:58] <reaVer> last release was last august
[05:58] <nikolam> so compile new one, anyway, not to install packages.
[05:58] <nikolam> OK
[05:58] <nikolam> Ok, going to..
[05:59] <Pumpernickel> There are other OpenGL games already packaged.
[05:59] <reaVer> Pumpernickel: do they have optional opengl?
[05:59] <Pumpernickel> Using one of those might be easier than compileing Mame just to test this.
[05:59] <reaVer> like on the fly?
[05:59] <Pumpernickel> Yeah, BZflag does.
[05:59] <reaVer> oh nikolam!
[05:59] <reaVer> skip mame, get BZflag!
[05:59] <nikolam> how fast system should be for fly! ?
[06:00] <reaVer> on the fly means when the application is running
[06:00] <Pumpernickel> Also, do any errors show up in /var/log/Xorg.*.log?
[06:00] <reaVer> often applications don't offer this feature because it's a pain in the ass
[06:00] <nikolam> Just a sec to check
[06:02] <nikolam> hmm there is todays xorg.log
[06:03] <nikolam> 2 of them
[06:03] <nikolam> installing bzflag
[06:04] <nikolam> Xorg.0.log: (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[06:05] <nikolam> Error opening /dev/input/wacom : Success
[06:05] <nikolam> Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc, removing from list!
[06:05] <nikolam> Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1, removing from list!
[06:06] <Pumpernickel> !paste
[06:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:06] <nikolam> thanks
[06:09] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29111/
[06:10] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29112/
[06:11] <nikolam> Bzflag stillinstalling..
[06:11] <nikolam> installed!
[06:12] <Pumpernickel> Lines 740, 741; you don't have dri.
[06:13] <nikolam> So need to adress more memory to card in bios? Dunno what is DRI
[06:13] <nikolam> card have 16MB
[06:14] <Pumpernickel> DRI is direct rendering.
[06:14] <nikolam> bzflag wont start as "bzflag"
[06:15] <nikolam> So, the card driver versus Old card equals "dont think about open gl"
[06:15] <Pumpernickel> It should still work through Mesa, just really slowly.
[06:16] <Pumpernickel> Since it's crashing, though, there's obviously something wrong.
[06:16] <nikolam> Ok, whom to report bug
[06:16] <nikolam> Tux, to mga driver or X.org?
[06:16] <Pumpernickel> I'd file the bug against the vid driver.
[06:17] <nikolam> mga.
[06:17] <Pumpernickel> !bugs
[06:17] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:17] <nikolam> Thank you.
[06:27] <BFTD> whow
[06:28] <BFTD> sudo apt-get autoremove uninstalled my xfce-wlan applet, so what do I use now?
[06:29] <damike> hi
[06:30] <test3r> try get it off the livecd BFTD
[06:31] <damike> i want to use xyubuntu as a desktop operating system (fix installed). do i have to use the live cd for that or "Alternate install CD"?
[06:31] <BFTD> test3r no, I know how to get it, it just that if it autoremoves it, doesn't that mean like its out dated or something?
[06:33] <test3r> oh- i dunno.
[06:33] <Pumpernickel> damike: Either.
[06:33] <damike> Pumpernickel, and which one do i need? ;)
[06:33] <Pumpernickel> I recommend the alternate cd.
[06:34] <damike> ok. can i mount ufs2 hard discs out of the box with xubuntu?
[06:35] <Pumpernickel> It shouldn't be a problem, although I've never tried it so I can't confirm that.
[06:36] <damike> okay. which fs do you prefer on linux? there are so much :S
[06:37] <Pumpernickel> Ext3 is the standard one.
[06:38] <damike> Pumpernickel, okay - hope it works :)
[06:38] <BFTD> heh
[06:39] <Pumpernickel> Oh, and re: UFS2, read-only support should be fine.  R-W support, not so much.
[06:41] <damike> Pumpernickel, thats bad :( my SCSI drivers are ufs2
[06:41] <damike> drivs
[06:41] <damike> e
[06:51] <Pumpernickel> UFS2 write support seems to have been included in kernel 2.6.21.  It's a bit early to tell whether it's stable, and the only Ubuntu version with those patches is Gutsy, which is, itself, not stable.
[06:52] <damike> Pumpernickel, i download 7.04 at the moment
[06:52] <damike> Pumpernickel, however - its not soooo important
[06:53] <damike> Pumpernickel, if i can read - its also ok at the moment
[06:53] <Pumpernickel> Cool.
[06:54] <damike> Pumpernickel, cool all other things in life *g*
[06:54] <damike> are
[07:14] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, are you here?
[07:29] <exw> would installing gnome applications that are not specifically xubuntu ( if there is such a thing ) bring gnome libraries in that's slow down and defeat the purpose/lightness of xubuntu?
[07:33] <vidd_laptop> exw, yes...they will bring in gnome libraries
[07:34] <exw> vidd_laptop: and i guess that'll slow things down then?
[07:34] <vidd_laptop> it can
[07:34] <exw> ok thanks
[07:57] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: maybe
[07:59] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, i wanted to talk to you about that movie .... in #viddandme
[07:59] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: it's not a movie but a docu ;)
[09:02] <Cem_UNAL> hi folk
[09:04] <vidd_laptop> Merhaba Cem_UNAL
[09:05] <TaJMoX> I found an awesome community help that let me fix my multimedia keys in xfce - I remember asking here for help about it and nobody knew so here it is: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XfceMultimediaKeys
[09:10] <vidd_laptop> *wave* maxamillion
[09:10] <maxamillion> hiya vidd_laptop
[09:12] <Cem_UNAL> when i listen last.fm (with last.fm program) sound is slashing but there is no problem with web browser based listening
[09:13] <Cem_UNAL> can somebody help?
[09:13] <Cem_UNAL> Merhaba vidd_laptop
[09:13] <Cem_UNAL> :)
[09:13] <hyper_ch> hiho maxamillion
[09:13] <maxamillion> Cem_UNAL: i can't speak for the application you are using, but i might recommend trying out xmms+streamtuner
[09:13] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: hello
[09:15] <Cem_UNAL> maxamillion: do u know what last.fm is?
[09:15] <TaJMoX> You can't listen to last.fm with xmms
[09:15] <maxamillion> Cem_UNAL: i assume it to be a net radio station
[09:15] <Cem_UNAL> not
[09:16] <TaJMoX> yes
[09:16] <Cem_UNAL> maxamillion: ^
[09:16] <TaJMoX> It's a net radio station.  I use it all the time =]
[09:16] <TaJMoX> Rather, a streaming music site.  not "radio"  =)
[09:16] <maxamillion> ok, well you two figure out what it is and then i will offer my help
[09:17] <TaJMoX> Cem_UNAL: Use Amarok - it has a last.fm plugin
[09:17] <maxamillion> Cem_UNAL: for the love of your computer, don't use amarok
[09:17] <TaJMoX> heh
[09:17] <Cem_UNAL> :)
[09:17] <Cem_UNAL> why
[09:17] <Cem_UNAL> amarok is good
[09:17] <TaJMoX> I use the web based player for last.fm - so I guess I'm suggesting something I dont use
[09:18] <TaJMoX> It was kinda too bloaty for me
[09:18] <maxamillion> Cem_UNAL: Xubuntu is a GTK based distro, amarok will pull alot of qt and kde libs and thus will comsume a substantial amount of system resources to run
[09:19] <Cem_UNAL> maxamillion: some time i think like u some time not
[09:19] <TaJMoX> it will use more ram not nessasarily more cpu time
[09:20] <exw> anyone notice that the battery monitor added to the panel does not respond to a right click?
[09:21] <Cem_UNAL> TaJMoX: maxamillion tx for your ideas
[09:21] <TaJMoX> exw: it does for me
[09:21] <exw> TaJMoX: ok thanks
[09:22] <maxamillion> i listen to 1.fm using xmms all day long
[09:25] <exw> i got network manager installed on xubuntu for my wireless with ndiswrapper, and it works like a charm! ( default network didn't work well )
[09:26] <maxamillion> exw: default network features + wireless don't seem to go so well ... that is something that is looking to be improved upon for gutsy
[09:28] <exw> maxamillion: yah the default network was a pain in the *ss for my wireless :-) had to screw around for a day just to get it connected, but as soon as i was and installed network manager all is well, even wap
[09:31] <maxamillion> exw: yes, there is actually a project being worked on right now by a xfce developer that will offer a network-manager style application for xfce users without needing all those gnome-libs
[09:36] <exw> maxamillion: yah i was worried about the extra resources used by importing gnome libs into xubuntu.  It's interesting that i havn't noticed much if any difference in speed with the libs.  Another interesting thing is that since i installed xubunto on my this laptop yesterday, its not the 128 mb ram thats taking a beating its the AMD-K6 450mhz cpu ;-)
[09:36] <maxamillion> exw: that's plenty of hardware for xubuntu :)
[09:37] <exw> hehe, thats good to know
[09:37] <maxamillion> exw: here is a link to information about the tool that will (hopefully) soon be stable for xfce wireless http://spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/airconfig
[09:37] <exw> ok thanks
[09:37] <maxamillion> no problem
[09:39] <exw> great news
[09:39] <xTaJMoX> maxamillion: you said it didn't need gnome libs
[09:39] <maxamillion> xTaJMoX: it doesn't
[09:40] <xTaJMoX> ah
[09:40] <maxamillion> xTaJMoX: look at the requirements ... just needs GTK+ and Glib (as far as gui toolkit libs go)
[10:09] <damike84> hi
[10:09] <damike84> i have installed xubuntu know. quite cool. but how can i set the clock? its complelty wrong
[10:09] <TheSheep> damike84: system->time and date
[10:10] <damike84> TheSheep, ah thx - strange nto isnt installed
[10:11] <TheSheep> ntp?
[10:12] <damike84> yes?
[10:12] <hyper_ch> damike84: enable ntp
[10:13] <damike84> hyper_ch, okay
[10:26] <Howdy125> Is it possible for the swap partition to get fragmented causing things to get slower and slower over time ?
[10:40] <TheSheep> Howdy125: no
[10:44] <Howdy125> hmmm .. ok .. thanks TheSheep
[10:46] <assasukasse> TheSheep:64Mb are too little for xubuntu'
[10:46] <assasukasse> ?
[10:46] <TheSheep> assasukasse: of ram?
[10:46] <assasukasse> yup
[10:46] <TheSheep> assasukasse: it's the minimum at whoich installer (on the alternate cd) will work at all
[10:47] <TheSheep> at which
[10:47] <assasukasse> TheSheep: but then the system would be usable?
[10:47] <assasukasse> and with 96Mb?
[10:47] <TheSheep> assasukasse: xubuntu will work, but will use the swap partition a lot, so the programs will start slowly
[10:47] <assasukasse> TheSheep: does prelinking help a bit?
[10:48] <TheSheep> assasukasse: but as long as you only use one application at a time, and it's not firefox, it's good
[10:48] <assasukasse> TheSheep: unfortunately, firefox is the default browser in xubuntu right?
[10:49] <TheSheep> assasukasse: yes, but you can install opera, it's a little smaller/faster
[10:49] <maxamillion> TheSheep: opera is lighter?
[10:49] <assasukasse> TheSheep: what about seamonkey? i don't like closed sources
[10:50] <TheSheep> maxamillion: it is, even if you count in all the qt
[10:50] <TheSheep> assasukasse: everything is lighter than firefox ;)
[10:50] <maxamillion> TheSheep: wow, i didn't know that ... also didn't know it was written in qt
[10:50] <TheSheep> maxamillion: that'swhy it looks so ugly ;)
[10:51] <maxamillion> assasukasse: you should try to find an iceweasel build for ubuntu :D
[10:51] <maxamillion> TheSheep: ah, makes sense
[10:51] <assasukasse> TheSheep: what is your suggestion about browser then? seamonkey, opera, or linx :D
[10:52] <TheSheep> assasukasse: links is good if you don't need graphics
[10:52] <maxamillion> assasukasse: depends on what you need from a browser
[10:52] <assasukasse> TheSheep: just plain and normal browsing..with flash and all the stuffs
[10:52] <TheSheep> assasukasse: if you need images but not styles, dillo could be enough
[10:52] <TheSheep> assasukasse: ugh, flash and java are major memory hoggers
[10:53] <assasukasse> i know...urg i know..
[10:53] <assasukasse> but they are needed...
[10:53] <maxamillion> assasukasse: if you need flash you are basically stuck with a mozilla browser or opera
[10:53] <maxamillion> assasukasse: or you could venture over to the gnuzilla side :)
[10:53] <assasukasse> maxamillion: iceweasel is lighter?
[10:53] <assasukasse> i didn't notice it :D
[10:53] <maxamillion> assasukasse: not much, but yes
[10:53] <TheSheep> assasukasse: they started by removing 300MB of files from the sources...
[10:54] <TheSheep> ugh, sorry
[10:54] <maxamillion> ?
[10:54] <TheSheep> 300 files
[10:54] <maxamillion> rgr
[10:54] <maxamillion> i was like "wait, the sources were 300mb to begin with?"
[10:54] <maxamillion> assasukasse: yes, iceweasel uses less ram .. the initial load time seems comparable though
[10:54] <TheSheep> I think the removed files were like 20-something MB, it's in their mailing list
[10:55] <maxamillion> but then again, we are talking about human noticable differences
[10:55] <assasukasse> seems is not there in synaptic, i suppose is somewhere in unofficial repos
[10:55] <maxamillion> which are very different from actual performance gain
[10:55] <TheSheep> maxamillion: with 64MB ram, you can notice anything easily ;)
[10:55] <maxamillion> TheSheep: true
[10:56] <assasukasse> thanks all..
[10:56] <assasukasse> i gotta hit bed now :D
[10:56] <maxamillion> assasukasse: wait, lemme check something
[10:56] <assasukasse> oki maxamillion
[10:57] <maxamillion> assasukasse: bah! nvm ... thought i knew a place that would have iceweasel packaged for ubuntu, but it doesn't ... sorry
[10:57] <maxamillion> assasukasse: night night
[10:57] <assasukasse> nite maxamillion  thanks anyway
[10:58] <maxamillion> anytime
[10:58] <maxamillion> TheSheep: you really sitting on a machine with 64mb of ram?
[10:58] <TheSheep> maxamillion: no, I added another 32MB and gave it away
[10:59] <Howdy125> I could be if I pulled out a stik ..;)
[11:00] <maxamillion> Howdy125: well don't do that :P
[11:00] <maxamillion> TheSheep: interesting
[11:01] <Howdy125> I won't .. too many screws to remove .. :)
[11:02] <TheSheep> from the tricks that save memory: use 16bpp or less color depth, disable icons on the desktop, use the plain clock, not the orage clock, don't use too many panel applets, don't autostart anything, disable printing daemons
[11:02] <TheSheep> using bitmap icons instead of the svg vector ones saves several megs too
[11:03] <TheSheep> of course it looks ugly :/
[11:03] <maxamillion> TheSheep: when i need to save ram, i just run fluxbox+rox
[11:03] <maxamillion> but that is a little drastic in most cases
[11:03] <TheSheep> maxamillion: is rox really lighter than thunar?
[11:04] <TheSheep> maxamillion: when I want to save the ram, just don't start X :)
[11:05] <maxamillion> lol
[11:05] <maxamillion> TheSheep: actually ... i'm not that sure rox is lighter than thunar now that you mention it
[11:05] <maxamillion> TheSheep: they require alot of the same libs
[11:06] <maxamillion> TheSheep: http://pastebin.ca/609367
[11:06] <maxamillion> TheSheep: apparently thunar depends on xfce4-panel? ...
[11:08] <damike> me again :)
[11:09] <damike> got a last question. i have choosen a screensaver - but nothing happens :( i set time to 1 minute and wated 10 - no action. do i have to start a special service for that?
[11:09] <TheSheep> maxamillion: depends on how you compile it
[11:09] <TheSheep> maxamillion: thunar uses some of the panel's features
[11:09] <TheSheep> damike: it shouldbe starting automatically
[11:10] <maxamillion> TheSheep: interesting ... well, the debian etch package requires the panel :P
[11:10] <damike> TheSheep, hmm. doesnt work ;/
[11:10] <maxamillion> damike: open a terminal and type "xscreensaver-demo" and select the screensaver you want and click "preview" ... see if it will work that way
[11:11] <damike> maxamillion, yes works perfectly
[11:11] <maxamillion> damike: interesting
[11:11] <damike> also restarted the daemon
[11:13] <damike> i have done lots of updates - i restart - maybe then it works
[11:14] <maxamillion> damike: yeah, try to restart after the updates ... if that doesn't work then check bug reports or file one
[11:14] <damike> ok brb
[11:15] <maxamillion> that's really odd ... i've never seen a problem out of xscreensaver like that
[11:19] <michael> yeah - now it works :)
[11:19] <michael> cya
[11:22] <maxamillion> michael == damike?
[11:23] <Pumpernickel> Same hostmask.
[11:33] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: i need to be more observant