[11:13] <directhex> how do i suppress a note with d-i? partman is *really* spammy if you install from a usb drive
[11:27] <FourDollars> How can I build Debian source package from lp:~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/precise-proposed/? I tried `debuild -S` and `bzr builddeb -- -S`. All failed. :(
[11:27] <xnox> FourDollars: close. $ bzr bd
[11:28] <FourDollars> make: *** source/console-setup/Keyboard: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[11:28] <xnox> FourDollars: or ./debian/rules update-local && debuild
[11:28] <xnox> FourDollars: or fetch the source package from the archive and build that.
[11:28] <FourDollars> xnox: What I want is Debian source package not Debian binary package.
[11:28] <xnox> FourDollars: pull-lp-source ubiquity precise-proposed
[11:29] <xnox> will download the source package for you.
[11:29] <FourDollars> xnox: Thanks.
[11:29] <xnox> FourDollars: ./debian/rules update-local && debuild -S (for source package)
[11:29] <xnox> FourDollars: ~ubuntu-installer branches have ubiquity code, without the embeded d-i & partman udebs.
[11:29] <FourDollars> xnox: Great! Thanks a lot.
[11:29] <xnox> the final source package as uploaded into the archive has udeb sources embeded.
[11:29] <FourDollars> I see.
[11:30] <xnox> sence the ./debian/rules update[-local] to fetch & unpack those udebs. Which is non-standard from majority of packages unfortunately.
[11:31] <FourDollars> I know. :)
[11:33] <cjwatson> directhex: Generally you just need to preseed the note to nothing in particular (so that it winds up marked as seen); however if the installer explicitly forces the note to be reshown (which happens sometimes) then you may need something more creative.  I'm pretty sure there's an override for the case you're referring to, but I'd need a debug log to make sure
[11:35] <directhex> cjwatson, i'll try an empty note preseed first
[11:35] <directhex> yay, preseeding also worked as a bypass for debian bug 689416
[11:36] <ubot2> Debian bug 689416 in src:linux "Nonexistant files are asked for on Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (802.11 a/b/g/n 3X3) Half Mini Card" [Important,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/689416
[11:37] <directhex> hm, nope. "Your installation medium is on /dev/sdb1"
[11:38] <cjwatson> Is this using d-i or ubiquity?
[11:39] <directhex> d-i. unless ubiquity can set up luks and i didn't notice, in which case i've been modifying the wrong iso
[11:40] <cjwatson> d-i partman/filter_mounted boolean false
[11:40] <cjwatson> Which means the USB device will show up in the partition list and you just have to be careful not to use it in your preseeded recipe
[11:41] <directhex> i'll give that a shot, ta
[11:41] <cjwatson> I fear this is undocumented because I suck
[11:41] <directhex> well if nothing else that made me lol :)
[11:42] <cjwatson> happy to please
[11:48] <directhex> go go gadget t530
[11:50] <directhex> yep, that worked
[11:52] <cjwatson> grat
[11:52] <cjwatson> er, great
[12:13] <directhex> and i think that's it. fallback, metacity, various company-internal packages, and a first-run wizard to set up company mail etc
[12:14] <directhex> shame i couldn't get EFI to behave, but that's deferred into the future. also couldn't get it down onto a CD
[12:14] <cjwatson> Nor can we any more ...
[12:15] <directhex> well i axed unity and qt, which freed up space. and added openjdk-7-jre, which consumed a whole lot of space
[12:17] <directhex> and 20 meg for crashplan pro
[15:48] <xnox> nuclearbob: did the nfs hang reproduce itself when running under test with rsyslogd?
[15:49] <nuclearbob> xnox: I ran into another issue with utah when trying to implement the rsyslog integration.  I have a machine right now where X has frozen up the way it usually does, and hte machine is reachable over ssh.  it looks to me like ubiquity finished, but I haven't been able to get it to pick up my preseed in automatic mode, so it didn't automatically reboot
[15:50] <xnox> nuclearbob: =/ why does X freeze up? (is it expected / normal?!)
[15:50] <nuclearbob> xnox: I don't expect it, but it consistenly happens as part of the bug that I'm having an issue with
[15:51] <xnox> nuclearbob: can you give me details of your presseed file / utah run list and how you are setting up reboot?
[15:52] <nuclearbob> xnox: would you like them in pastebin, or the bug, or just a pointer to where they are in magners?
[15:52] <xnox> nuclearbob: any/all will do. Not sure what magners is. Maybe I should learn what that is.
[15:53] <nuclearbob> xnox: that's the lab where we're having most of the problems since that's where we try to do automated hardware testing with utah.  I'll get you those files
[15:54] <nuclearbob> xnox: we're not getting far enough when the bug occurs to invoke a runlist, so I usually just use the example installed in /usr/share/utah/client/examples/pass.run, which is here http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1563406/
[15:55] <xnox> ok. thanks.
[16:27] <antarus> what is this utah thing? :)
[16:28] <ogra_> automated testing
[16:29] <xnox> antarus: http://pad.lv/p/utah
[16:29] <xnox> provisions VMs/bare metal, downloads tests, runs them, reports results.  It should be better. Note that in itself utah does all the side bits, yet one still needs to write the test executable (test.sh, test.py, python -m unittest discover -vvv).
[17:30] <antarus> we have about 100 tests already
[17:30] <antarus> we just hate autotest ;)
[17:32] <antarus> xnox: what do the results look like
[17:32] <antarus> xnox: UI ?
[17:32] <antarus> xnox: this is really the only place where autotest is terrible.
[17:33] <xnox> antarus: talk to folks on #ubuntu-quality. They work with that.
[17:33] <xnox> antarus: raw logs are nice. But the way I look at them is via jenkins, as they push utah runlists as jenkins results for things I look after.
[17:34] <antarus> ok
[17:35] <antarus> thanks


[05:22] <LLStarks> sarvatt, is sna enabled on edgers? i want to get some benchmarks.
[05:23] <hyperair> LLStarks: there's ppa:sarvatt/intel-sna
[05:23] <hyperair> LLStarks: however, the patch required in X itself is missing.
[05:23] <hyperair> so it segfaults nicely
[05:24] <LLStarks> ah
[05:24] <Sarvatt> it doesn't segfault because the x patch is missing, that just fixes rendering corruption.. :)
[05:24] <hyperair> Sarvatt: i got a segfault!
[05:25] <LLStarks> will sna ship with oneiric and is it comparable to exa, uxa, etc?
[05:25] <Sarvatt> no it wont
[05:25] <hyperair> =(
[05:25] <Sarvatt> it's dependent on the xserver 1.12 video abi
[05:26] <LLStarks> that's alright, we're setting up for PP during the oneiric cycle
[05:27] <LLStarks> will there be any hiccups similar to the gem/uxa transition? that was harsh.
[05:27] <Sarvatt> pretty much 100% guaranteed there will be :)
[05:28] <LLStarks> ouch
[05:28] <Sarvatt> sorry I didn't update it today, will update it to the latest in the morning
[05:29] <LLStarks> so, is the sna ppa (now or tomorrow) ready for vm or live testing in the sense that the desktop is usable?
[05:29] <LLStarks> *live as in actual install runing on actual hardware
[05:29] <Sarvatt> sure if you want to test it, just avoid chrome/chromium because they dont work
[05:30] <LLStarks> any benchmarks you'd recommend for showing maximum benefits?
[05:30] <Sarvatt> that ppa hyperair linked needs to be activated at the same time as xorg-edgers
[05:32] <LLStarks> if at all possible, i'd like to get a hardware table up and running on the wiki. vga string, commit id, benchmark date, results.
[05:33] <Sarvatt> i dont think it's anywhere near ready for something like that, it's going to be very volatile for some time yet..
[05:33] <hyperair> LLStarks: 8086:2a32 -> segfault.
[05:34] <LLStarks> can you boot to recovery terminal?
[05:34] <hyperair> LLStarks: ?
[05:35] <hyperair> recovery terminal?
[05:36] <LLStarks> tty
[05:36] <hyperair> well i can switch to ttys yeah
[05:36] <LLStarks> then that's not so bad.
[05:36] <hyperair> in fact, that's how i repaired my X.
[05:36] <hyperair> mm yeah it's just a normal X segfault
[05:36] <hyperair> it's not a wedge
[05:36] <LLStarks> ah ok
[05:36] <hyperair> i should probably get a proper stack trace
[05:36] <Sarvatt> hyperair: http://dpaste.com/551239/ look like that?
[05:36] <hyperair> Sarvatt: not quite
[05:36] <hyperair> Sarvatt: it had a few intel_drv.so lines in the middle
[05:36] <hyperair> and i lost the log. blargh.
[05:37] <LLStarks> praying that 8086:27a2 works
[05:45] <LLStarks> taking the sna plunge. i hope my body can take it.
[05:47] <LLStarks> the laptop loves it. whenever i test something new it's like "awww, you're still thinking of me. sure, i'll give you some more performance. windows stopped driver updates for me years ago."
[05:48]  * LLStarks crosses fingers
[05:52] <LLStarks> holy hell
[05:52] <LLStarks> http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/performance/fishietank/
[05:52] <LLStarks> 2 fps to 40 fps
[05:53] <LLStarks> can i send a cake to intel?
[05:53] <LLStarks> let's see if it handles 720p gl output
[05:55] <LLStarks> ...it didn't choke
[05:55] <LLStarks> this is amazing.
[05:57] <LLStarks> smooth 1080p. yup.
[05:57] <LLStarks> it's almost as if the i945gm no longer needs vaapi
[06:06] <LLStarks> hyperair, no segfaults yet. just the occasional artifact.
[06:06] <LLStarks> very rare.
[06:07] <LLStarks> i'm going to be brave and try chromium
[06:07] <LLStarks> all seems fine
[06:09] <tjaalton> bryceh: forgot to push xkeyboard-config changes?
[06:15] <LLStarks> sarvatt, i've noticed that gl subtitle rendering (is broken on edgers. what component should i file against upstream?
[06:16] <LLStarks> and has been for a while
[06:33] <tjaalton> RAOF: moo, you haven't pushed the earlier xkeyboard-config merge to git?-)
[06:34] <RAOF> Wait, what?
[06:34] <RAOF> Let me just get that!
[06:34] <tjaalton> 2.2.1-1u1
[06:34] <tjaalton> maybe we should get 2.3.1 for oneiric?
[06:35] <tjaalton> debian didn't put it in unstable yet because they still have gnome2 there and there's some conflict
[06:35] <RAOF> I don't know of any reason no to grab that.
[06:35] <tjaalton> but we already have gnome3 for the most part
[06:35] <tjaalton> in oneiric
[06:36] <RAOF> Was the conflict just the naming scheme bits, or something more fundamental?
[06:36] <tjaalton> don't remember the details
[06:37] <RAOF> Pushed like a jimmyhack.
[06:37] <tjaalton> 2.1 is "the best for gnome2", nothing more than that
[06:37] <tjaalton> and we already have 2.2.1 :)
[06:37] <tjaalton> so yes, should be no blockers for 2.3.x
[06:38] <tjaalton> s/yes/no/
[06:38] <RAOF> Right.  I'm pretty sure that refers to the naming stuff.
[06:39] <tjaalton> the dvorak-stuff?
[06:40] <RAOF> No - renaming all the profiles $COUNTRY ($MAP) to $LANGUAGE ($MAP).
[06:40] <tjaalton> as
[06:40] <tjaalton> ah
[06:40] <RAOF> So the keyboard indicator here says “English (Dvorak)” rather than “USA (Dvorak)”.  Etc.
[06:40] <tjaalton> heh, makes sense
[06:42] <RAOF> While that was done for GNOME 3, I'm not sure why it's not regarded as appropriate for GNOME 2.
[06:47] <RAOF> Mmm. Looks like this system's borken enough to no longer boot.
[06:47] <tjaalton> i should work through installing the sandybrigde system.. finally switching to ssd et al
[06:48] <RAOF> Maybe I should stop holding out for ivybridge and build a decent desktop system.
[06:53] <LLStarks> wait for ivy bridge
[06:53] <LLStarks> :3
[06:54] <LLStarks> tr-gate. better than sandy bridge.
[06:54] <LLStarks> sole purpose is to embarrass amd for the next year or so
[06:54] <tjaalton> and ~8 months away
[06:54] <RAOF> Right.  There's *always* something cool ~8 months away.
[06:54] <LLStarks> sandy bridge + x58 is surefine
[06:55] <tjaalton> x58? that's old
[06:55] <LLStarks> wait. did i mess up the chipset?
[06:56] <LLStarks> z68
[06:57] <RAOF> “After this operation, 258 MB disk space will be freed.”  Hm.  That seems rather a lot.  Oh, wait, it's removing xserver-xorg-core and ubuntu-desktop.
[06:57] <tjaalton> RAOF: heh, which update?
[06:58] <RAOF> Multiarch'd mesa.
[06:58] <tjaalton> ah, because there's no xserver update to go with it?
[06:58] <RAOF> Right.
[06:59] <RAOF> Also because llvm's not multiarched, so all the i386 drivers are baroque.
[07:26] <LLStarks> if it ain't baroque, don't fix it
[07:27] <RAOF> Actually, that's not quite true.  All the i386 gallium drivers are broke.  i965_dri is perfectly happy to run i386 glxinfo and glxgears.  Score.
[08:01] <LLStarks> can sna be done with stable mesa?
[08:03] <RAOF> AFAIK sna is largely independent of mesa.  You're very much not allowed to make backward-incompatible DRI2 changes :)
[08:06] <LLStarks> well, i was wondering if i could test it without a full edgers payload
[08:07] <RAOF> Probably, but you get to keep all the pieces.
[08:07] <LLStarks> eh?
[08:07] <RAOF> “If it breaks, you get to keep the pieces”
[08:08] <hyperair> LLStarks: no fair!
[08:08] <hyperair> LLStarks: 32-bit or 64-bit?
[08:08] <LLStarks> 32-bit
[08:08] <hyperair> maybe it hates 64-bit.
[08:08] <LLStarks> not that i have a choice
[08:08] <hyperair> heh
[08:09] <RAOF> Oh, atom?
[08:09] <RAOF> That was frequently paired with an i945.
[08:09] <LLStarks> core duo.
[08:09] <hyperair> core duo? those support 64-bit, no?
[08:09] <RAOF> No, the core duo *2* supports 64-bit :)
[08:09] <hyperair> model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T5750  @ 2.00GHz
[08:10] <hyperair> core 2 duo.
[08:10] <LLStarks> t2050
[08:10] <LLStarks> still more powerful than an atom
[08:10] <LLStarks> despite being 5 years old
[08:10]  * hyperair wants a sandy bridge.
[08:10]  * RAOF is fairly sure anything 686-derived is faster than an atom.
[08:10] <hyperair> lol
[08:10] <LLStarks> atom is 686
[08:11] <LLStarks> p3 architechture
[08:11] <RAOF> No, it's not.  It's an in-order processor.  Which is why performance sucks.
[08:11] <LLStarks> really?
[08:11]  * RAOF is pretty sure.
[08:11] <LLStarks> you're right
[08:12] <LLStarks> not p6
[09:47] <RAOF> Why must the mesa build system be constructed entirely of hate?
[09:59] <tjaalton> heh
[10:06] <RAOF> Hm, (a) has this worked, and (b) how small are the gallium drivers now?
[10:31] <RAOF> Win! 3.6M 2011-06-07 15:12 r300_dri.so → 1.3M 2011-06-07 19:29 r300_dri.so, 3.5M 2011-06-07 15:12 r600_dri.so → 843K 2011-06-07 19:29 r600_dri.so
[10:31] <tjaalton> woohoo
[10:32] <tjaalton> so a shared gallium core?
[10:32] <RAOF> Yeah.
[10:32] <tjaalton> nice
[10:33] <RAOF> With only the *tiny* problem of 19M 2011-05-27 19:49 /usr/lib/libLLVM-2.9.so.1
[10:36] <tjaalton> hehe
[11:57] <Prf_Jakob> Has anybody tried Unity on a git master gallium driver?
[12:03] <RAOF> Probably some of our intrepid xorg-edgers cadets have?
[12:04] <tjaalton> probably yeah
[12:04] <tjaalton> i've only tried swrastg but with 7.10, which lacks tfp support
[12:04] <RAOF> I happen to have a nice hot ccache here; want me to try?
[12:04] <tjaalton> you've pulled a snapshot too?
[12:04] <RAOF> (And a radeon 5450ish)
[12:05] <RAOF> tjaalton: Mesa build hacking always gets done on master :)
[12:05] <RAOF> It's not sufficiently fun to do twice :)
[12:05] <tjaalton> RAOF: naturally, but is it ending up in oneiric soon?-)
[12:06] <Prf_Jakob> RAOF: no real need I jast wanted to know if there was a known problem with Unity on gallium, I'm guessing the problem is in our driver.
[12:06] <Prf_Jakob> Unity works pretty well with vmwgfx except a rendering bug.
[12:06] <RAOF> Cool.
[12:07] <RAOF> tjaalton: It'll end up in oneiric soon; I just need to finish off the llvm 2.9 mir, which is blocked on actually being able to build openjdk-6b18 on an arm system to check the testsuite.
[12:09] <ScottK> What mesa is planned for oneiric?
[12:09] <RAOF> 7.11
[12:09] <ScottK> Sigh.
[12:09] <RAOF> Problem for KDE?
[12:10] <ScottK> Mgraesslin just mentioned on one of the KDE lists he'd done 4.7 to work with 7.10.
[12:10] <ScottK> Then mentioned if someone was going to use 7.11 with KDE 4.7 they better test it.
[12:11] <ScottK> So not necessarily a problem, but a combination with undefined results at this point.
[12:11] <RAOF> Ah, right.  Well, xorg-edgers contains 7.11 snapshots, but we won't be switching until 7.11 gets branched.
[12:13] <RAOF> Oh!  At what point did libGL start to fallback on swrastg_dri?
[12:20] <tjaalton> aiui Sarvatt right, it would be 7.11?
[12:20] <tjaalton> uh
[12:20] <tjaalton> "iirc what Sarvatt said,..."
[12:22] <ScottK> RAOF: We didn't get 4.7 beta 1 packaged yet either.
[12:23] <RAOF> Fun multiarch fact: dpkg --remove mesa-utils won't remove the i386 mesa-utils package; you need dpkg --remove mesa-utils:i386
[12:25] <RAOF> Wow.  glxgears is curiously messed up.
[13:24] <jussi> Hrm, Im having an issue where I have the laptop setup with the external screen, and only the external screen in use. However, when powermanagement turns the screen off after a period of inactivity, it doesnt come up again when you become active. the machine seems fine and reponsive, but no screen.
[13:35] <tjaalton> jussi: best bet is to try the mainline .39 kernel
[13:36] <jussi> tjaalton: how would I go about getting that ? is it relatively stable?
[13:37] <tjaalton> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v<IP_ADDRESS>-oneiric/
[13:37] <tjaalton> certainly stable enough to test that
[13:40] <jussi> tjaalton: right, however, this machine is on natty
[13:41] <tjaalton> sure
[13:41] <tjaalton> just install the deb :)
[13:41] <jussi> ok :)
[13:41] <tjaalton> it doesn't matter if it's built on oneiric tools
[13:41] <tjaalton> *with
[13:42] <tjaalton> at least, it shouldn't matter much, and hasn't for the usecases I've had
[13:42] <jussi> ok, was just unsure. Ill let you know how it goes :)
[13:42] <tjaalton> good
[13:42] <tjaalton> which system did you have?
[13:43] <jussi> is there a chance it will fix my bug also? (bug 793487)
[13:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 793487 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu does not shut down when external monitor attached through displayport (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/793487
[13:43] <jussi> Its a HP probook 5320m
[13:44] <jussi> also, do I need to install the headers?
[13:44] <tjaalton> no need for the headers, unless you have dkms packages
[13:45] <tjaalton> ah so it's arrandale, yeah .39 might fix that bug
[13:45] <jussi> dkms packages?
[13:45] <tjaalton> .39-rc2 has been tested to fix some bugs concerning external monitors
[13:46] <tjaalton> dynamic kernel module source, probably don't have them if it's something you don't know :)
[13:46] <tjaalton> used for binary blobs
[14:04] <jussi> tjaalton: Unfortunately the kernel did not boot. I installed hte headers also, but still no boot. I pressed esc to see the progress, and it seems to stop after apparmor
[14:05] <tjaalton> jussi: dang
[14:06] <jussi> tjaalton: Im more than happy to try anything else you ahve to offer though. :) (or try troubleshoot the kernel)
[14:06] <tjaalton> you could try this one, in case the point release broke something http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.39-oneiric/
[14:07] <tjaalton> at least one person booted that succesfully on natty
[14:09]  * jussi tries
[14:22] <jussi> tjaalton: unfortunately no go on that either. it gets a little further, but then dies
[14:22] <tjaalton> meh
[14:23] <tjaalton> you could try rc4 from the parent dir next, it's also built on natty if it makes a difference after all..
[14:28] <tseliot> tjaalton: the blobs won't work with the new kernel as we prevent the module from building against unsupported kernels
[14:29] <tjaalton> tseliot: right, but is it already in natty too?
[14:29] <tseliot> tjaalton: yep
[14:29] <tjaalton> nice
[14:29] <tseliot> :)
[14:29] <jussi> hrm, theres also this in the install proceedure:  W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw for module r8169
[14:29] <tjaalton> well, i was just pointing out when the headers would be useful
[14:29] <tjaalton> jussi: that shouldn't matter
[14:30] <jussi> ok, just thought to mention it
[14:30] <tjaalton> some new nic module i guess
[14:32] <jussi> right, reboot time. hope this works.
[14:34] <jussi> right then. (it boots :D ) now let me shut down and see if it fixes that bug, Ill try the initial bug I mentioned in a min.
[14:35] <tjaalton> phew, great
[14:40] <jussi> right, so that bug I mentioned before (793487) is fixed with this kernel.
[14:40] <tjaalton> niice
[14:41] <jussi> kde seems a little slow, not sure whats going on.
[14:41] <jussi> just seems.
[14:42] <jussi> anywya, Ill go away for a bit, and see if the other bug still persists
[14:42] <tjaalton> ok
[14:42] <jussi> (and if someone wants to build the newer .1 kernel for natty, I would be happy to try that.)
[14:44] <tjaalton> the hwe team has a set of patches that'll hopefully get added to the natty kernel, even though there will be no upstream point-releases anymore for .38
[14:44] <jussi> Im also getting a few artifacts left on the screen.
[14:44] <tjaalton> looks like it would fix a bunch of issues
[14:44] <tjaalton> ah
[14:45] <tjaalton> well, it has around 90 commits, of which maybe 8 are needed
[14:45] <tjaalton> rc4 that is, to the drm/i915 code
[14:45] <jussi> not artefacts per se, but parts of highlighting etc
[15:12] <tjaalton> RAOF: pushed xserver merge with the fedora pointer-barrier patch added
[15:13] <tjaalton> now xorg merge finalized so we can start pushing these to oneiric..
[17:35] <apw> anyone seen X server dumping ?  on intel ?
[17:35] <apw> [ 25658.288] Segmentation fault at address 0x7f039ec32010
[17:35] <apw> [ 25658.288]
[17:35] <apw> Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting
[17:36] <apw> this is natty updated as of this morning
[18:16] <hyperair> apw: full stack trace?
[18:17] <apw> hyperair, at the bottom of: http://paste.ubuntu.com/621075/
[18:17] <Sarvatt> apw: one sec, let me get you the bug number
[18:18] <Sarvatt> i attached a fix to it, its x-x-i-synaptics
[18:18] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/774978 comment #25
[18:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 774978 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "xserver crashes in RecordAReply when XRecord is enabled in syndaemon (affects: 91) (dups: 22) (heat: 444)" [High,Triaged]
[18:19] <Sarvatt> it just started now though? it happened at random before but amazing you went from release till now and just started hitting it
[18:20] <apw> yeah first time i've ever seen it
[18:20] <apw> i right clicked somewhere and boom
[18:20] <apw> oh ... of course i don't use my touchpad most of the time on this machine as i have external keybaord an mouse
[18:21] <apw> and i was using the touchpad unusually ... so
[18:35] <hyperair> weird, i've been using my touchpad though
[18:35] <hyperair> why would a touchpad cause intel_drv.so to segfault?
[18:35] <hyperair> i see that in the stack trace somewhere
[18:57] <LLStarks> hyperair, i've seen it happen in israel due to voltage differences
[18:57] <hyperair> Sarvatt: IT WORKS.
[18:57] <LLStarks> my xserver choked whenever i used the touchpad
[18:58] <hyperair> LLStarks: ah, right voltage differences.
[18:58] <hyperair> well my xserver never choked due to the touchpad
[18:58] <hyperair> but the touchpad itself choked.
[18:59] <LLStarks> btw, all of my observed improvements that i attributed to SNA yesterday were all from the new ddx/mesa/drm WITHOUT SNA
[18:59] <LLStarks> i don't get it
[19:00] <LLStarks> what's crippling the stable stack so much?
[19:00] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: time to sru -synaptics?
[19:01] <LLStarks> synaptics needs tapbutton2=2
[19:01] <LLStarks> for two-finger middle click
[19:01] <LLStarks> right now, it's tapbutton2=3
[19:02] <LLStarks> that and out-of-the box two-finger scrolling
[19:17]  * hyperair doesn't observe any improvements to SNA though..
[19:22] <LLStarks> intel ddx is overrated
[19:23] <LLStarks> i have no idea what's going on between oneiric's 2.15 and the non-SNA git, but something is slowing me down
[19:24] <LLStarks> it can't be mesa. this is 2d stuff.
[19:26] <LLStarks> i wish i could source this slowdown, but xorg log is clean
[19:37] <LLStarks> can i run -intel master on a stable oneiric stack?
[19:40] <hyperair> hmm i wonder why 3d activity causes my entire computer to freeze for short periods of time
[19:40] <hyperair> enough to miss a number of interrupts for psmouse
[19:40] <hyperair> and enuogh to screw over eth0 transmission
[19:41] <hyperair> and enough to make iwl4965 trigger a hardware reset
[19:41] <LLStarks> x is just weird
[19:42] <hyperair> heh
[19:42] <hyperair> i think it's more like i915 is doing too much processing in the irq
[19:45] <LLStarks> i945gm slowdown with the 2.15 ddx confirmed.
[19:45] <LLStarks> 2.15git is fine.
[19:46] <LLStarks> there's like zero acceleration in the former
[19:47] <LLStarks> and this is without SNA
[19:47] <LLStarks> time for some bisecting
[19:47] <LLStarks> should be fun
[19:51] <LLStarks> wait wtf... 2.15-release git is fine. did somebody screw up packaging?
[20:03] <LLStarks> nvm. i might be wrong.
[21:07] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: i dont suppose there's any chance you already did any of the mesa lucid backport? :P
[21:07] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: not sure, probably not
[21:07] <tjaalton> silly sentence
[21:08] <Sarvatt> yeah it was a long shot, gonna start throwing it together now since thats the last part
[21:23] <bjsnider> ricotz, is it possible to change the sound theme in gnome 3? it's not an option with the tweak tool
[21:44] <ricotz> bjsnider, this can be done with dconf-editor
[21:45] <ricotz> bjsnider, org/gnome/desktop/sound
[22:06] <Sarvatt> got it close, http://sarvatt.com/downloads/mesa/
[22:11] <bryceh> Sarvatt, should I go ahead and upload/sru the fix you posted on #774978?  Or is there more we need to do first?
[22:14] <Sarvatt> that'd be much appreciated
[22:38] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: would adding -lrt to LDFLAGS help there?


[00:01] <babbageclunk> Fun test fix: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11014
[00:03] <lucidone> It doesn't look like the juju gui supports SAAS, and the UI crashes if you try to show relations on an application that is related to a SAAS application .. Is https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui the place to report a bug?
[00:30] <babbageclunk> lucidone: yes, that would be the right place to start (although it might turn out to be a juju bug under the hood)
[00:32] <lucidone> babbageclunk: Cheers, this bug in particular is a js error "TypeError: Cannot read property 'serviceName' of undefined", so I imagine it's in the gui code. Supporting SAAS in juju gui itself feels more like a feature request
[00:33] <babbageclunk> lucidone: yeah, that makes sense
[01:05] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: state pr lgtm with a small fix to error processing
[01:05] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: cool, thanks
[01:17] <lucidone> Looked like there was more activity on github issues (and I was blocked by ubuntuone login not working on launchpad..) so I've posted to github https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/issues/4023
[01:53] <babbageclunk> lucidone: oops, sorry for the bum steer there
[01:54] <lucidone> babbageclunk: No worries! I did see a 2019 bug report there, so didn't appear to be totally defunct
[02:29] <timClicks> is it possible to serve resources locally, or is the charm store required?
[02:29] <lucidone> As in $ juju deploy /path/to/charm ?
[02:30] <timClicks> lucidone: I am developing a charm that needs a resource
[02:30] <timClicks> but I don't want to run "charm attach" yet to upload it to the charm store (it's not ready)
[02:31] <lucidone> Ah right
[02:31]  * lucidone reads the docs for resources
[02:32] <timClicks> it looks like I can use `juju attach-resource`
[02:58] <ec0> thumper: if you're around in about 30 minutes I should be free to catch up on that Cisco upgrade
[02:58] <ec0> disregard
[03:03] <babbageclunk> timClicks: I'm late to the party but I think you can use deploy with --resource to attach the resource at deploy-time as well (rather than doing it after the fact)
[03:04] <timClicks> babbageclunk: yeah you can :)
[03:04] <babbageclunk> phew
[07:58] <pal> Good Morning Juju!
[09:25] <nammn_de1> ptal, small one: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11011
[09:25] <nammn_de1> *ptal, please? :D
[09:26] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: morning, thats what i meant yesterday with forcing in init. Sadly we cannot use supercommand fields, thus no commonflags. https://github.com/juju/cmd/pull/71
[09:26] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: wanted to discuss that before adding more tests ect.
[09:31] <stickupkid> manadart, ping
[09:32] <manadart> stickupkid: Pong.
[09:32] <stickupkid> ho?
[09:33] <manadart> OMW. 2 secs.
[09:36] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: hows that comment? https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/xq2ShFXnvY/
[09:36] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, ok, that'll do
[09:40] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: great, updated pr
[09:50] <nammn_de1> stickupkid manadart rick_h: just realized as i was going through the branches test why they fail on 2.7. Do we want to backport this? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10796/
[09:51] <nammn_de1> nvm me, seems like they are..
[10:04] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: for the pr https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11011 i updated the comments+naming as you said, additionally i added the fix to make sure that there is no race condition for the acceptancetest test-branches
[10:39] <manadart> nammn_de1: Yes, back-port it.
[10:44] <nammn_de1> manadart: apologies, i just realised this already has been the case. Lucky me
[10:45] <nammn_de1> while at it, manadart stickupkid: ptal https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11011 ?
[11:30] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: if you have time later we can talk/look at the init change here https://github.com/juju/cmd/pull/71 . Ping me up if you up for it
[11:31] <nammn_de1> how do i enable all featureflags?
[11:31] <nammn_de1> is it exporting `export JUJU_DEV_FEATURE_FLAGS="" `?
[11:34] <nammn_de1> manadart: changed it, you will hate me, but i rebased as this change was more trivial, hope you don't mind:  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11011/files
[11:57] <stickupkid> manadart, CR on this one please :D https://github.com/juju/description/pull/69
[11:59] <stickupkid> ta
[14:07] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: ping me if you are around for my python questions and/or the init cmd thingy
[14:08] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, do it now?
[14:08] <nammn_de1> stickupkid sure, daily?
[14:08] <stickupkid> yeap
[14:26] <manadart> stickupkid: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11020. I am heading to HO.
[15:26] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: what was the output of doing it in init again? How do we want to proceed? https://github.com/juju/cmd/pull/71
[15:45] <nammn_de1> rick_h: im a bit struggling to be able to connect to the allwatchersapi through python, any pointers for me?  `WatchAllModels` returns an id of  an allwatcher which iam supposed to use with something
[15:45] <nammn_de1> just cant find something easiliy
[15:58] <rick_h> nammn_de1:  sec, otp for a bit can help look afterwards
[16:03] <nammn_de1> rick_h: thanks! stickupkid: is there a way to set a context for a facade connection?
[16:03] <nammn_de1> as it seems the watcher_id is taken from a context param, which i cannot give for the watcher.next() call
[16:04] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, have a look at what the go code, see how it uses it, that's generally what I'd do...
[16:16] <nammn_de1> cr someone? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11021
[16:59] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: they only api things  we can call through python have to be behind facades, right?
[16:59] <stickupkid> yes
[17:00] <nammn_de1> so this call https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/6ea20273f7c540d93b1075d77aafe39e70770b33/api/controller/controller.go#L186, which is returning the real watcher, is not directly possible and we might have a facade equivalent construct somewhere?
[17:02] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, not at all, each go client knows about it's facade it's going to use. It just abstracts that information away, the python code has no such idea.
[17:02] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: thanks and dammnit
[17:03] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, see https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/6ea20273f7c540d93b1075d77aafe39e70770b33/api/controller/controller.go#L36
[17:03] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: doesnt this suck in this case? Would need to add a new facade for this to work in python, right?
[17:04] <nammn_de1> ah
[17:04] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, nope, we export all facades for python to consume
[17:04] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: i need to understand how the attributes are set in python
[17:05] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, there is a set of facades we don't export https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/blob/master/juju/client/facade.py#L21
[17:05] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, maybe it's that one
[17:28] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: this quick hack did it for me: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/sBskSH7QdQ/
[17:30] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, just remove "ClientFacade" from this https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/blob/master/juju/client/facade.py#L21 and then follow this guide https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/python-libjuju/1553
[17:32] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: I will keep that in mind,ta
[22:35] <timClicks> babbageclunk: ping, question in discourse for your perhaps? https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/application-level-data-questions/2447
[22:36] <babbageclunk> timClicks: thanks! I'll have a look in a bit


[05:07] <Toma-> troy_s? ping!
[07:42] <troy_s> kwwii: http://www.osnews.com/story/18166/Interview_with_David_Turner_of_Freetype
[07:42] <troy_s> kwwii: In particular, note the line:
[07:43] <troy_s> kwwii: "Also, I still don't understand why Debian and Ubuntu keep distributing patent-infringing code in FreeType, while they keep MP3 and DVD playback out of their normal installs. I'm not even sure it's DFSG compliant..."
[07:43] <troy_s> kwwii: We should probably get the boys to look into this.  I believe he is spot on with his estimation and that means patent issues.
[07:44] <troy_s> kwwii: http://www.osnews.com/thread?251651
[13:18] <kwwii> troy_s: those patents are not being actively enforced (and expire in a year) so it is apparently not a problem (and debian still has it turned on, btw.)
[15:55] <troy_s> kwwii: Good news.
[20:32] <thorwil> nand_: hi! should i send banners for brainstorm announcement to you or to henrik?
[20:46] <nand_> thorwil: hi! To henrik, he is in charge of spreading the news :)
[20:47] <nand_> thorwil: the date is not definitive yet, but it will be during next week
[20:50] <thorwil> nand_: ok


[04:22] <topfs2> Hi so I'm trying to get ubuntu running on the pandaboard. Problem I have is that I don't ahve a monitor atm and trying to get it working so I can login over terminal so I can start doing stuff to it
[04:22] <topfs2> Setup ssh etc.
[04:23] <topfs2> at any rate, I use setenv bootargs console=ttyO2,115200n8 serialtty=ttyO2 rw rootwait mem=463M elevator=noop vram=32M root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 as boot.scr (and some other stuff)
[04:23] <topfs2> still I only get kernel output, no login and such
[04:23] <rsalveti> topfs2: to get login you need to create the ttyO2.conf file at /etc/init/
[04:23] <rsalveti> like tty1.conf
[04:23] <rsalveti> but with getty ttyO2 115200
[04:24] <topfs2> oh ok, will try that
[04:24] <topfs2> thanks
[04:24] <rsalveti> then upstart calls getty with the proper console
[04:24] <rsalveti> for example, change "exec /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty1" to "exec /sbin/getty 115200 ttyO2"
[04:28] <topfs2> awesome, I got a login :D
[04:28] <topfs2> thanks rsalveti !
[04:28] <topfs2> you don't happen to know the std user and pass?
[04:37] <rsalveti> topfs2: there's none, because it calls the oem-config and ask you to create the proper user account
[04:38] <topfs2> so no way to login?
[04:38] <topfs2> without booting with monitor?
[04:38] <rsalveti> no, you need to hack up the image
[04:38] <rsalveti> you can remove the root password request, and then create one
[04:38] <rsalveti> or get inside with chroot, then you can create it with adduser
[04:39] <topfs2> hmm, chroot seems best
[04:39] <topfs2> I'll try that
[04:39] <rsalveti> if you need a minimum rootfs you can also create it with rootstock
[04:39] <rsalveti> and then use it at the second sd card partition
[04:39] <rsalveti> then you can also request a user to be created during image build time
[04:40] <topfs2> Should that be ok to do with panda aswell?
[04:42] <rsalveti> topfs2: yup
[04:54] <topfs2> haha, hand editing /etc/shadow worked wonders ;)
[04:54] <topfs2> thanks for the help
[05:02] <rsalveti> np
[05:05] <topfs2> next step, getting usb network. thats always fun
[14:01] <hrw|uds> hi
[14:33] <hrw|uds> I feel that next week will be interesting for me in arm world
[14:34] <hrw|uds> kde in natty/armel is behind natty/amd64 so my smartbook has x11 problems... will use pandaboard for local rebuilds
[14:36] <hrw|uds> hi eric
[14:37] <lag> rsalveti: Thanks
[14:38] <lag> rsalveti: I'll speak more with jcastellanos to figure out what's going on when he reappears
[16:11] <hrw|uds> where plans for work on efikamx smart[top|book] devices will be synchronized/discussed? irc or ubuntu-mobile ML?
[16:31] <markos_> hrw|uds, let's start with irc first and see if we have needs for a specific list or if an existing one can be useful for us
[16:32] <hrw|uds> wii markos_
[16:32] <hrw|uds> ops
[16:34] <hrw|uds> markos_: how many things needs to be done then just kernel? flash-kernel, initrd stuff, xorg-xserver, gstreamer imx51 codecs?
[16:35] <markos_> you want the complete list? :)
[16:36] <hrw|uds> I think that such one needs to be created at one point
[16:37] <markos_> there already is, it's just too long to paste here
[16:37] <markos_> but yeah, the ones you mentioned are already included, and high on the list
[16:37] <hrw|uds> ok
[17:51] <sveinse> Is pulseaudio working properly on ARM?
[17:52] <sveinse> I.e. can I consider using it, or should I rather rely on direct access to alsa?
[18:37] <gean> anybody ?
[18:57] <Neko> sveinse, it works
[19:01] <camm> Can someone grant me access to an Ubuntu arm box to port gcl and its dependencies?
[19:26] <gean> I Wanna port linux to my ARM netbook
[19:26] <gean> anybody can help ?
[19:32] <lag> gean: What notebook do you have?
[19:34] <gean> Chinese One
[19:35] <gean> ARM926EJ - Anyka AK7802
[19:35] <gean> 128 RAM
[19:35] <gean> 266 Mhz Proc.
[19:35] <gean> I've done my toolkit ( Binutils + gcc) for cross-compiling
[19:36] <gean> but lacks the kernel
[19:36] <cooloney> gean: don't you have any bsp or toolchain from the Anyka?
[19:36] <lag> gean: You're going to struggle with that much RAM
[19:37] <gean> ahahaha so much
[19:37] <cooloney> gean: 128M RAM is not enough for ubuntu, i think
[19:37] <lag> cooloney: cross-compiling shouldn't be an issue
[19:37] <lag> RAM and proc specs will cripple you
[19:37] <gean> i just need kind of blackbox or a lighter box
[19:38] <cooloney> gean: what's kind of OS in this notebook
[19:38] <cooloney> originally?
[19:39] <lag> gean: Google is your friend here
[19:39] <gean> no need for ubuntu, I'm using it at this desktop .. for the netbook it will be very slow ( if runs ... )
[19:39] <lag> gean: People has Linux running on it
[19:39] <gean> WinCE
[19:39] <cooloney> gean: yeah, i got it
[19:39] <cooloney> gean: no kernel = no linux
[19:40] <gean> Man .. i saw many things .. but officialy there is not any bsp
[19:40] <gean> for this model ..
[19:40] <cooloney> gean: so what's the cpu's model number?
[19:40] <gean> no kernel patches
[19:41] <gean> cooloney : anyka AK-7802
[19:42] <gean> wince says ARM926-AKCHIP
[19:43] <gean> there is not win .. probably need hack it
[19:44] <gean> but i never done such of thing ... any help would be appreciated
[19:53] <Neko> anyone know anything about compcache/ramzswap support in initrd?
[19:53] <Neko> it doesn't seem to do anything
[19:53] <Neko> module is loaded by the initrd scripts but it's not set up for some reason
[19:53] <Neko> (I tried 25 % and 96 M in the file and it never happens)
[20:56] <ikke-t> getting frustrated with beagleboard and nfsroot
[20:56] <hrw|uds> ikke-t: bbxm?
[20:56] <ikke-t> bb c4
[20:56] <hrw|uds> auch
[20:56] <ikke-t> unfortunately
[20:57] <ikke-t> but with usb eth
[20:57] <ikke-t> network works
[20:57] <ikke-t> but now boot is complaining about not getting to lock nfs stuff, try with option '-o nolock'
[20:57] <ikke-t> well, it doesn't read the option from kernel params
[20:57] <hrw|uds> statd not running?
[20:58] <ikke-t> statd on nfs host or bb?
[20:58] <ikke-t> host I assume
[20:58] <hrw|uds> iirc you should have portmap + statd + lockd working
[20:58] <ikke-t> ?
[20:58] <hrw|uds> do not remember. long time since last nfsroot
[20:58] <ikke-t> hmm, just changed the host onto debian, maybe something missing from install.
[20:58] <ikke-t> just installed kernel-nfs and nfs-common
[20:59] <ikke-t> nfs-kernel-server that is
[21:00]  * hrw|uds -> sessions
[21:02] <ikke-t> apt-cache doesn't find statd
[21:04] <ikke-t> yahoo, found it from /etc/default/nfs-common
[21:04] <ikke-t> \o/
[21:17] <ikke-t> no-luck, gets stuck at the same point as the earlier server. somewhere after reading fstab, since it complained about typo in fstab on nfsroot
[21:18] <ikke-t> last message on screen being "Begin: Running /scriptsinit-bottom ...done."
[21:18] <ikke-t> and happily stays there and doesn't answer even ping. pretty dead looking to me.
[21:19] <ikke-t> i wonder if this works for somebody?
[21:19] <ikke-t> beagleboard nfsroot -boot, ubuntu maverick.
[21:21] <ikke-t> hmmm. kernel hung? echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this
[21:21] <ikke-t> message
[21:22] <ikke-t> doesn't sound promising
[21:25] <hrw|uds> ikke-t: what I would do: remove / from fstab, check. check for statd/lockd/portmap on host and on target
[21:29] <ikke-t> hrw|uds: statd/portmap running on host, removed / from nfsroot/etc/fstab
[21:29] <ikke-t> no difference:
[21:30] <hrw|uds> ;(
[21:31] <ikke-t> i wonder should ubuntu init honor the console setting from kernel params?
[21:31] <ikke-t> now it jumps to print on screen instead of serial at some point
[21:32] <ikke-t> INFO: task bluetoothd:576 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
[21:33] <ikke-t> stuck.
[22:03] <acid> hello
[22:05] <acid> I wrote an algorithm which when run on 486 processor takes 15 seconds, and on ARM takes 15 minutes. Same input data. Anyone has a clue why, or where to start looking?
[22:08] <cwillu> acid, the algorithm is probably relying on libraries that are implemented ina completely different way, such that something which was cheap on the 486 isn't on arm
[22:09] <cwillu> post the source on a pastebin if you want any more detail
[22:26] <acid> cwillu; sec, I will
[22:30] <acid> cwillu; http://pastebin.com/CBMZZZ1W
[22:30] <acid> cwillu; this is no the whole thing, just the most expencive part.
[22:31] <acid> and
[22:31] <acid> this is actually not my code, I just rewrote some parts of it
[22:31] <acid> :P
[22:31] <acid> b/c they were slow...
[23:15] <topfs2> rsalveti, Just wanted to say that the kernel image I have doesn't seem to have the parameter. I checked ls /sys/module/smsc95xx/parameters/ and it just gives me turbo_mode. Is there any place youhave your kernel images so I could perhaps make a rootstock of them?
[23:21] <topfs2> and for others that might wonder what I'm on about its the http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/maverick/release/ for omap4
[23:21] <topfs2> Seems like it might be missing the macaddr parameter for the ethernet on panda
[23:21] <rsalveti> topfs2: weird, it's in our upstream kernel http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=blob;f=drivers/net/usb/smsc95xx.c;h=a3c8fe6e639eda5ec4eeb1cedf28e297d6386c37;hb=refs/heads/ti-omap4
[23:21] <rsalveti> module_param(macaddr, charp, 0);
[23:21] <topfs2> oh awesome your here :)
[23:22] <topfs2> yeah its rather weird, perhaps I should try to build a kernel myself and see
[23:22] <topfs2> Or is there any daily ones available somewere?
[23:23] <rsalveti> topfs2: nops, just the one at the archive
[23:23] <rsalveti> topfs2: if you are using maverick as a host you can quickly cross compile it
[23:23] <topfs2> Yup using maverick so I could probably check into that
[23:23] <topfs2> Do you know if there is any docs about it?
[23:24] <topfs2> but rsalveti it should show up in that ls right? so I'm not doing something wrong?
[23:26] <rsalveti> topfs2: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/10/19/how-to-cross-compile-arm-kernel-under-ubuntu-10-10/
[23:26] <rsalveti> topfs2: and yes, you're right, it should be there
[23:26] <topfs2> awesome, I'll try compiling one then
[23:26] <topfs2> thanks for the help
[23:26] <tmzt> kernel is easy to compile
[23:26] <tmzt> just CROSS_COMPILE=toolchain- ARCH=arm
[23:27] <rsalveti> topfs2: what did you get when you set up the macaddr argument at the kernel cmd line?
[23:27] <tmzt> though your building kpkgs so hrw's stuff probably helps there
[23:27] <topfs2> rsalveti, should it be different if I have or not added it to the kernel commadn line? because I added it then checked the ls when it didn't work
[23:28] <rsalveti> topfs2: module_param(macaddr, charp, 0);
[23:29] <rsalveti> the 0 is the perm argument
[23:29] <rsalveti> @perm: visibility in sysfs
[23:29] <topfs2> aha
[23:29] <topfs2> So perhaps I just have done it wrong in the kernel command line
[23:29] <rsalveti> perm sets the visibility in sysfs: 000 means it's
[23:29] <rsalveti>    not there,
[23:29] <rsalveti> topfs2: probably
[23:30] <topfs2> I tried just plain macaddr="foo" and smbc95xx.macaddr= (this one mostly as I wanted to try abit more)
[23:30] <topfs2> *smsc95xx
[23:31] <topfs2> setenv bootargs console=ttyO2,115200n8 serialtty=ttyO2 rw rootwait mem=463M elevator=noop vram=32M root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 macaddr="00:11:22:33:44:55"
[23:31] <rsalveti> smsc95xx.macaddr=01:23:45:67:89:AB should work
[23:32] <rsalveti> try this one
[23:32] <topfs2> Oh, without " "
[23:32] <topfs2> I'll try that
[23:35] <topfs2> Sorry, need to vanish for a quicky, gonna go and buy beer before it closes
[23:35] <rsalveti> :-)
[23:39] <tmzt> topfs2: try modinfo if it's buildt asa module
[23:40] <tmzt> or check /sys/module
[23:54]  * rsalveti will be out for now, uds party


[11:35] <ubotu> evilgold: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[11:36] <BluE|> hi guys, in gparted, can you get free space out from between an ntfs and an ext3 partition?
[11:36] <kristian_> Someone knows how to get an app, which is not under add/remove and is not in the apps menu, into the apps menu?
[11:36] <BluE|> ive got some in there 'stuck' as it were..
[11:36] <music_> Jordan_U; i msged u
[11:36] <stefg> peter__: you are the not the first one with exactly the same automatix problem today....
[11:36] <adaran> a friend of mine is getting errors with 'untrusted packages' from the official repositories. the package keys for ubuntu are the same as mine (as reported by apt-key list), what else could be the issue?
[11:37] <adaran> i remember having this problem myself, finding a simple fix and then forgetting about the solution, rather frustrating
[11:37] <flo> anyone know how can i tell tvtime to remember the 16:10 mate that i'vd aplied when it restarts?
[11:37] <mnoir> kristian_: right click the bar abd then click edit menu ?
[11:38] <mnoir> abd=and
[11:38] <n2diy> mnoir: we just went there, didn't work.
[11:38] <mnoir> oic...
[11:38] <peter__> Stefg, I dont think that it's necesaraly a problem with the automatix script per se. It also happens on a manula install, bein gcareful that all the kernel sources match, and also gave this result with the envy script.
[11:38] <n2diy> mnoir: Though, maybe you have a better understanding of it than I do?
[11:39] <kristian_> mnoir: i just had the same discussion with n2diy, and it isnt in the "edit menu"
[11:39] <music_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1231/ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1233/ can anu find my proble of it not loading driver "nvidia"
[11:39] <mnoir> n2diy: naa - i use kde but on my gnome system it seemed to start to get me where ya wanted to go...
[11:39] <senorJ> Anyone know how to get Java working in non packaged version of FireFox 2.0 under dapper ?
[11:39] <Vluid> l
[11:40] <mnoir> kr - what isnt in edit menu - gnucash?  so add it using the nice add button?
[11:40] <bwrtyurt76> You can dowbload the binarires fromm SUN.......
[11:40] <stefg> peter__: ok... i had strange problems with teh 8xx-series driver, too. But i decided not to investigate that further, but just took the recent 9xx series installer from nvidia.com and they disappeared
[11:40] <jordo23_> un_operateur: You there?
[11:40] <teer2> hi all - question about the ubuntu distribution: Are there software packages, like games, that are distributed through Ubuntu that come pre-packaged and known to work with the specific distro version where it is obtained?  Or are games always downloaded through third-party sources and wedged into the OS?
[11:41] <n2diy> teer2: Plenty of Ubuntu games to play.
[11:41] <stefg> !games | teer2
[11:41] <ubotu> teer2: Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[11:41] <music__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1231/ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1233/ can anu find my proble of it not loading driver "nvidia"
[11:42] <kyncani> !packages | teer2
[11:42] <ubotu> teer2: You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[11:42] <teer2> n2diy: but are they obtained through official ubuntu channels, or do you have to download them through third parties (like websites)
[11:42] <TheGateKeeper> teer2: most linux software is installed from the repos, including games, that is certainly the easiest way to install software
[11:42] <adaran> teer2, or roll your own packages and put them in a local repos =)
[11:42] <teer2> ubotu: Thank you, that's the information I was seeking.
[11:42] <teer2> TheGateKeeper: Thank you.
[11:43] <kyncani> !botsnack
[11:43] <TheGateKeeper> teer2: yw :-)
[11:43] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:43] <n2diy> teer2: I have sixteen games here, that came with the basic install. What is available in the Ubuntu repos, I don't know about.
[11:43] <senorJ> bwrtyurt76: yeah I tried that i think - have you managed to get it working?
[11:43] <mama> hoi
[11:43] <kristian_> mnoir: well it worked i just dont get why it just did this automatic
[11:43] <teer2> TheGateKeeper: ubotu is very smart
[11:43] <kristian_> mnoir and mnoir, thx for the help
[11:44] <kyncani> !ubotu > teer2
[11:44] <TheGateKeeper> teer2: it's a bot :-)
[11:44] <kristian_> mnoir and mnoir*
[11:44] <kristian_> fuck mnoir and n2diy!
[11:44] <teer2> TheGateKeeper: :-)
[11:44] <teer2> TheGateKeeper: Better living through technology.
[11:44] <mwe> !language | krampo
[11:44] <ubotu> krampo: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:44] <PriceChild> !language | kristian_
[11:44] <ubotu> kristian_: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:44] <mnoir> kristian_: np but yer not my type
[11:44] <mwe> !language | kristian_
[11:44] <TheGateKeeper> teer2:  yeah :-)
[11:45] <n2diy> mnoir: :)
[11:45] <mnoir> n2diy: is the remaining issue why it didn't get on a menu by itself?
[11:45] <TheGateKeeper> teer2: there are other mechanisms available, from a repos someone has put together (if you trust them) compile from source, it's even possible to use rpm but those don't always work
[11:45] <n2diy> mnoir: apparently.
[11:46] <music___> !language | ubotu
[11:46] <ubotu> ubotu: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:46] <music___> lol
[11:46] <kristian_> mnoir: why am i not youre type, im trying to sound friendly but i am not the good at english so its hard to understand what ure saying
[11:46] <mnoir> if he was polite I woulda told him that sometimes packages dont  get on menus or go to some godawful place and get over it and add it where you like :)
[11:46] <stefg> !botabuse | Music_
[11:46] <ubotu> Music_: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[11:47] <music___> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1231/ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1233/ can anu find my proble of it not loading driver "nvidia"
[11:47] <music___> why am i keep disconnecting
[11:47] <mnoir> kristian_: in that case, you may want to understand english slang before you use it - sometimes it can be offensive   :)
[11:48] <kristian_> mnoir: well sry
[11:48] <mnoir> :)
[11:48] <music___> please any one?http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1231/ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1233/ can any find my problem of it not loading driver "nvidia"
[11:48] <n2diy> music_ , I don't know, but it has been happening to me all after noon. Even my ISP joined the fun, and pulled the plug on my connection.
[11:48] <stefg> music__: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and replace the 'nv' in section drivers  with nvidia
[11:49] <music___> tryed
[11:49] <music___> it used to work with nvidia
[11:49] <GStubbs43> Does anyone know of a program that will automatically remove albumart from all of my mp3 tags?
[11:49] <music___> wont work
[11:49] <costalivan> hello friends
[11:49] <costalivan> I'm using ubuntu 6.10
[11:49] <costalivan> with kernel
[11:49] <ubuntian> re-install all restricted modules
[11:49] <chillywilly> in edgy how can I see the init script messages but not the kernel message noise?
[11:49] <costalivan> <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:49] <costalivan> and I have problems with kismet
[11:49] <mwe> music___: your nick is annoying. works bad with tab completion
[11:50] <costalivan> doesn't work
[11:50] <ubuntian> music that was for you
[11:50] <costalivan> anybody has problems with kismet ?
[11:50] <chillywilly> this is on a server box and I don't want to see all the kernel messages, just whether certain services have booted up or not
[11:50] <jgedeon> music___: it looks like it is loaded but you need to adjust your monitor rates in your xorg.conf
[11:50] <mnoir> chillywilly: that level of filter may be difficult
[11:50] <mwe> music___: can you please type /nick mr_music or something?
[11:50] <dm> Any good app to see what the heck is taking so much space ? i have 21 gigs used on my laptop, but i have no idea where its all going
[11:50] <senorJ> Can I run two versions of Firefox under dapper ? the packaged and my current non packaged version (2.0)
[11:50] <costalivan> by the way my network card is an ath0
[11:50] <music____> me?
[11:50] <chillywilly> mnoir: debian/ubuntu used to work like that
[11:50] <mnoir> dm: look at du
[11:51] <kane77> does mplayer plugin for firefox work well?? I installed it but it doesnt seem to work.. i hear audio, but no video.. what can be cause??
[11:51] <n2diy> dm: du
[11:51] <mzanfardino> I have an edgy server I built in vmware that I've recently moved to another vmware server.  When I load the server in vmware on the new server, the networking is not configured.  How do I manually reconfigure my network via cli?
[11:51] <mnoir> chillywilly: oh - I see - i was not aware
 re-install all restricted modules      me?
[11:51] <stefg> !baobab | dm
[11:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about baobab - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:51] <dm> mnoir and the numbs represent MBs?
[11:52] <n2diy> stefg: you feeling ok? :)
[11:52] <mnoir> dm: man du - I think you may want the -h flag (human) :)
[11:52] <jgedeon> music____: what kind of monitor do you have?  Make and model.
[11:52] <music____> its flat panel
[11:52] <dm> mnoir much better thanks
[11:52] <mnoir> dm: the default may be blocks
[11:52] <stefg> n2diy: that depends :-)
[11:52] <dm> mnoir it is, was just looking at that
[11:52] <dm> mnoir any app for a UI look at it
[11:52] <mnoir> dm: yeah - -h is a fairly new parm on many cmds
[11:52] <lifepositive> if I have a notebook that contains XP! Can I install Ubuntu on it as well?  Do i have to partition the hard drive before XP and Ubuntu get installed on it?
[11:53] <music____> dell
[11:53] <n2diy> stefg: never mind, I didn't understand what you and the bot were doing.
[11:53] <mwe> music____: what's going on? do you have all those annoying nicks, music_ music__ music___ and music____?
[11:53] <ubuntian> ntfs-3g ok reading and writing, but after mounting with truecrypt cannot R/W except as a root?
[11:53] <music____> i'm crashing
[11:53] <music____> i cant keep connected
[11:53] <mwe> muscic I see
[11:53] <music____> srry everyone
[11:53] <mnoir> dm: i have never looked - probably is - i remember once seeing a great graphic display that made different color and size blocks for different sized dirs and files
[11:53] <mwe> music well in that case I guess you can't help it
[11:54] <stefg> n2diy: pm was asking for a disk-stat utitility. this used to be called baobab, but obviously changed the name
[11:54] <dm> mnoir i think thats baobob
[11:54] <mnoir> dm: i think it was in MEPIS a long time ago
[11:54] <music____> well my video card is using dvi flat panel
[11:54] <mnoir> baobob??
[11:55] <stefg> !baobab
[11:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about baobab - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:55] <Vluid_> l
[11:55] <music_______> well my video card is using dvi flat panel
[11:55] <music_______> and my driver "nvidia" used to work
[11:55] <mnoir> dm: i think the tool i was talking about was a kde tool
[11:55] <dm> mnoir hold on think i found something
[11:55] <music_______> befor i upgraded 3 days ago
[11:55] <mnoir> baobob seems to be gnomecentric
[11:56] <stefg>  apt-cache search baobab
[11:56] <scoob> anyone here in the united states?
[11:56] <stefg> baobab - graphical tool to analyse directory trees
[11:56] <dm> mnoir any idea what gnome-utils include?
[11:56] <kane77> !mplayer-plugin
[11:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mplayer-plugin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:56] <mnoir> dm:  no but synaptic will tell you
[11:56] <jinx099> scoob: I am
[11:56] <mwe> music_______: in ten minutes your nick will be music_______________________________ ;)
[11:56] <stefg> strange... dapper knows it, but not ubotu
[11:56] <n2diy> mwe: music keeps getting drop off system, and everytime she/he logs back in, another _ is tagged on to her nick.
[11:56] <Vluid_> l
[11:56] <music_______> i know:(
[11:56] <clearzen> How can I see the size of a folder via the command line?
[11:56] <music_______> mwe can u help
[11:56] <mwe> n2diy: Yeah he told me
[11:56] <host`> I need a good image viewing software that does something like acdsee used to do
[11:57] <scoob> jinx099:  I tried to file my taxes online on the IRS, H&R Block, and Turbo Tax websites
[11:57] <mnoir> clearzen: du whilst in the dir
[11:57] <mwe> music I can try
[11:57] <oidia> is there any guide to "safely" partition the harddrive?
[11:57] <scoob> all of the sites said they were not familiar with my os
[11:57] <scoob> and I can't electronically file unless i use windows
[11:57] <clearzen> mnoir: Thanks
[11:57] <mnoir> clearzen: you might want to man du and check out the -h and -s parms
[11:57] <jinx099> scoob: I ahvent done my taxes yet, so I cant give you advice
[11:57] <teer2> scoob: Email each one and let them know that they lost your business because they would not support your computer.
[11:57] <dm> scoob vmware :)
[11:58] <music_______> re-install all restricted modules?   and should i?
[11:58] <mwe> music, what seems to be the problem more specifically, regarding the network?
[11:58] <music_______> i dunno
[11:58] <music_______> its must be my gay isp
[11:59] <scoob> yeah, vmware might work!
[11:59] <music_______> its windows
[11:59] <mr_hus> Hi, why smbmount, is there a way to mount all the shares from a remote machine??
[11:59] <mr_hus> with
[11:59] <oidia> does anyone have a guide/ map to "secure" partitioning, how large and which should be seperated?
[11:59] <music_______> i cant do any download over 100mb
[11:59] <mwe> oh
[11:59] <music_______> i might call them
[11:59] <mwe> that sucks
[12:00] <music_______> and ask them wtf is up
[12:00] <stefg> !partitions | oidia
[12:00] <ubotu> oidia: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[12:00] <mwe> I know I would
[12:00] <mwe> music they might help you even if it's not their fault
[12:00] <mnoir> oidia: since partitioning is a way of virtually managing your disk space, i do not think it enters into security stuff that much
[12:00] <lifepositive> whats a router?
[12:01] <crot> not true, mnoir
[12:01] <mnoir> crot: how so?
[12:01] <teer2> can you get demos for commercial games under the apt-get official distribution channels?


[00:03] <sgclark> but but I fixed that. erg I hate mergers
[00:15] <clivejo> now if my sys tray was fixed this release would be prefect!
[00:15] <clivejo> perfect
[00:15] <sgclark> did you cherry pick that patch?
[00:16] <clivejo> nope, but its in 5.5.5 apparently
[00:16] <sgclark> okm
[00:16] <sgclark> err ok
[00:16] <mamarley> Speaking of cherry-picking, any chance of getting http://commits.kde.org/plasma-workspace/5a1a411b41f950e97d80ff7c898052fb6d02fb1a ?  That fixes a crash that occurs when hotplugging monitors that just starting happening after some of the Qt backports.
[00:17] <sgclark> once we get this tagged you can stage 5.5.5 but not before
[00:23] <clivejo> right, time for bed!
[00:23] <clivejo> night all
[00:24] <clivejo> and thanks again sgclark and yofel
[00:24] <yofel> nini
[00:25] <clivejo> really glad PIM is working and see it working so well!
[00:30] <sgclark> g'night
[00:30] <sgclark> yes I am pleased
[00:30] <sgclark> and thank you clivejo for all your hard work
[00:31] <sgclark> could not have done it without you
[01:39] <valorie> when I tried to ppa-purge: https://paste.kde.org/psuucknvo
[01:54] <valorie> I'll be back later tonight
[02:58] <khanson679> Hello, looking to get involved. Wiki says to ask here to be added to Trello -- username there is "kennethhanson".
[03:17] <sgclark> valorie: do another apt update and then upgrade. pastebin results.
[03:18] <sgclark> khanson679: we love help, but most are sleeping/relaxing after a long day. please check back Monday :)
[03:25] <khanson679> sgclark: Right, thanks.
[03:29] <claydoh> clivejo: I am all for something  making me happy.  I'll check the logs to see what you said
[11:26] <snele> update the channel title with the info about ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-misc
[11:26] <snele> :)
[11:28] <clivejo> snele: have you tested it?
[13:10] <seaLne> does anyone else with staging have printing greyed out in kmail?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:05] <seaLne> hmm weird print is no longer greyed out in kmail
[14:25] <sgclark> not greyed out here
[14:26] <soee_> hiho
[14:31] <seaLne> well kmail is still checking for new mail after nearly 2 hours which is a huge improvement (previously i had to restart akonadi each time i wanted to check for new mail)
[14:40] <sgclark> yeah I have not seen kmail working this good in awhile. I am a happy camper
[14:40] <sgclark> was worth the extra effort lol
[14:51] <soee_> sgclark: is misc already in archive maybe ?
[14:52] <sgclark> uh not that I am aware of
[14:53] <sgclark> still need to resolve ksnapshot issue
[14:54] <sgclark> working o kdevelop now to get that in.
[14:55] <sgclark> looks like kubuntu-desktop meta package has a few issues actually
[14:56] <sgclark> and finally, today is Sunday. Normal people relax and stuff. :)
[14:57] <sgclark> I have to go do my taxes later so my day is already ruined
[15:36] <pursuivant> kubuntu-driver-kcm (master) 15.04ubuntu3-15-gc485b73 * Pino Toscano: src/DriverWidget.ui
[15:36] <pursuivant> fixuifiles
[15:36] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/kubuntu-driver-kcm/c485b737eafe6b8d6fb4ebfc65ececbb067e0d6a
[16:26] <kfunk> clivejo: will try! awesome
[16:33] <sgclark> kfunk: you still work on kdevelop? are python2 and python3 versions still incompatible?
[16:34] <kfunk> sgclark: I do. I think they are still incompatible, yeah.
[16:34] <sgclark> bummer. ok thanks
[16:34] <kfunk> sgclark: ask scummos in #kdevelop, he's the kdev-python maintainer
[16:34] <sgclark> ok
[16:38] <sgclark> so yes, and that begs the question of which  to provide. afaik ubuntu is pushing dropping python2. yofel thoughts ^ ?
[16:40] <sgclark> hmm maybe confict
[16:40] <yofel> regarding kdev-python, IIRC scummos didn't make a 3.5 compatible release yet?
[16:40] <yofel> but that was weeks ago
[16:40] <yofel> I know about the py2 deprecation, I even was in the UOS session and there's a trello card.
[16:41] <yofel> But from what I remember we have too many py2 deps still
[16:41] <yofel> so that's something to get done until 18.04
[16:41] <sgclark> I am packaging the last bugfix release 4 series for xenial is why I am askiing
[16:41] <sgclark> ok py2 it is. makes my life easier tbh
[16:41] <yofel> ah, kdev-python is an external package
[16:41] <yofel> so it shouldn't affect kdevelop itself
[16:41] <soee_> yofel: hiho, uploading misc ?
[16:42] <sgclark> correct
[16:42] <yofel> soee_: find someone to do it
[16:42]  * yofel checks where we are wrt freeze
[16:43] <yofel> ok, UI freeze is Thursday
[16:43] <yofel> Quintasan, sitter, shadeslayer: any chance one of you could help with uploading stuff the next days?
[16:46] <soee_> yofel: well i do not know who has privileges to do this :)
[16:47] <soee_> but i can help test any stuff tomorrow as i have free day
[16:47] <sgclark> sadly none of us. that will change
[16:47] <sgclark> working on kdevelop today. did you look over clivejo calligra yofel?
[16:47] <soee_> sgclark: wehy none of Kubuntu develoeprs can do it while we are before such important release as LTS ?
[16:48] <sgclark> because they left?
[16:48] <yofel> not yet
[16:48] <sgclark> ok
[16:49] <sgclark> yofel: any other packages out of main set you can think of we need?
[16:50] <yofel> meh, I haven't used bzr in a while *-.-
[16:50] <yofel> sgclark: where's the list?
[16:50] <sgclark> we have a list?
[16:50] <yofel> "any other" ?
[16:51] <yofel> what set are you talking about?
[16:51] <sgclark> well like for instance kdevelop "extragear" stuff, I am only think of stuff I use
[16:51] <yofel> oh that
[16:51] <sgclark> sorry I was not clear
[16:51] <yofel> well, digikam... but I'm not sure if that's fixable :/
[16:52] <sgclark> also kubuntu-desktop meta package needs fixing, sent mail to devel list
[16:52] <yofel> jr fixed kwallet in the seed
[16:52] <yofel> the others still need fixing though
[16:53] <sgclark> ok
[16:53] <yofel> the meta package is generated from the seed info
[16:53] <yofel> so you update that, then rebuild the meta package
[16:53] <sgclark> oh. I have not done seed stuff
[16:53] <yofel> it's in lp:~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.xenial
[16:54] <sgclark> ok, I will give a shot after I get back from doing my taxes
[17:56] <kfunk> clivejo: kdepim from your PPA works smoothly!
[17:56] <sgclark> that there was a team effort
[17:57] <kfunk> yep, I've seen it. kudos to you guys!
[17:58] <sgclark> will have kdevelop ready for testing shortly
[17:59] <kfunk> sgclark: you're aware that KDevelop 5 isn't released yet?
[17:59] <kfunk> (just making sure)
[18:00] <sgclark> yeah, we have to use 4 series
[18:00] <kfunk> yep
[18:00] <kfunk> uh oh, kontact just crashed :P
[18:00] <sgclark> 5 will be a project for after xeial releases :)
[18:00] <sgclark> xenial
[18:00] <sgclark> uh oh noooo
[18:01] <kfunk> no backtrace, bummer will run it a bit under GDB
[18:01] <sgclark> ok thanks
[18:02] <ScottK> sgclark: I just answered you're how to update the meta-packages question on kubuntu-devel.  If that answer still leaves you with questions, feel free to ping me here.
[18:02] <sgclark> ScottK:  thanks!
[18:02] <ScottK> s/you're/your//, but meh.
[18:02] <ScottK> yw
[20:48] <clivejo> hummmm, I been away all day and come back to my system.  Kontact says Im email but when I click on it I cant seem to open it, just a continous message "Retrieving Folder Contents.. Please wait . . ."
[20:48] <shadeslayer> yofel: sgclark can you give me a link to what needs uploading / how
[20:49] <clivejo> shadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-misc/
[20:58] <shadeslayer> clivejo: got a command I can run or something
[20:59] <shadeslayer> I don't want to manually do everything
[21:03] <clivejo> :( kdeinit5 and korgac just crashed
[21:06] <clivejo> shadeslayer: that I dont know
[21:06] <clivejo> the packages were all copied to misc and rebuilt
[21:14] <sgclark> shadeslayer: yofel was saying something about do-all in automation he will need to expand. I am not familiar with it.
[21:14] <clivejo> I believe there is a tool in the KA - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/tree/
[21:15] <clivejo> ubuntu-archive-upload
[21:15] <sgclark> well yeah. what I dont know is the usage
[21:15] <clivejo> but if and how it works is beyond me
[21:15] <sgclark> no that is broken for our current etup
[21:15] <sgclark> setup
[21:16] <sgclark> do-all is the tool that needs to be looked at. it tags and uploads from what I understand
[21:17] <sgclark> will have to do each section frameworks/plasma/applications separately, and then misc bits like kubuntu/kolab*
[21:19] <yofel> actually, thanks to uscan sucking as it does, ubuntu-archive-upload might be the best thing to use here
[21:19] <yofel> the reference PPA needs to be set to staging-misc though
[21:20] <shadeslayer> if you can send me a single command that I need to run, I can do the needful :)
[21:36] <mparillo> Of all the en.IN phrases I have learned over years, that is my favorite:  'do the needful'.
[22:04] <shadeslayer> mparillo: :P
[22:04] <shadeslayer> mparillo: I don't really use that often :P
[22:21] <mparillo> I will use it today only.
[22:52] <valorie> I guess I'm the only person to have an unsuccessful -misc experience in xenial, which is good to know
[22:53] <valorie> not really sure what I should do about it though
[22:53] <valorie> https://paste.kde.org/psuucknvo
[22:58] <sgclark> valorie: unfortunately that error is as useless as they come ( not your fault ) so I can tell you though from you first paste you have cruftt from another ppa. Can you try sudo apt-get -f install for me?
[22:59] <valorie> yes, will do
[23:00] <sgclark> the coredumps are quite troubling as well. Can't say I have seen coredumps on apt issues before..
[23:03] <valorie> that's working
[23:04] <valorie> yes, I tried ppa-purging the staging-kdeapplications, but that errored out
[23:04] <valorie> probably where the cruft is
[23:04] <valorie> although I may have tested some stuff for clive earlier and not ppa-purged it
[23:05] <sgclark> np. I mess up my packages and ppas all lthe time :) always fixable, just sometimes harder than others
[23:07] <valorie> right
[23:07] <valorie> so I got a few warnings, but it was successful
[23:07] <valorie> are the warnings useful or should I just restart as it asks?
[23:10] <sgclark> warnings are useful! paste please
[23:12] <valorie> ok, pastebin erased and replaced with the warning, on to the end
[23:12] <sgclark> whichpastebin?
[23:13] <valorie> https://paste.kde.org/psuucknvo
[23:13] <sgclark> still see the same thing
[23:13] <valorie> piffle
[23:14] <valorie> it gave me a new number, sorry
[23:15] <valorie> https://paste.kde.org/pzi1nyhz0
[23:17] <sgclark> ok nothing  there to be concerned about feel free to reboot
[23:18] <valorie> cool
[23:18] <valorie> huh, something is making the screen flicker as it logs out
[23:19] <valorie> graphics drivers are soo....... gah
[23:22] <valorie> hmmm, tried re-adding the -misc ppa, and then update: another core dump
[23:22] <valorie> I think I'll remove it
[23:23] <valorie> nope, core dump from ppa-purge of it
[23:23] <valorie> messed up
[23:23] <sgclark> I have never seen coredumps on apt I am of no help there :(
[23:24] <valorie> me either
[23:24] <valorie> removing it works, and since I don't use this computer much, I expect all will be well in time
[23:25] <sgclark> have you tried an update with  the ppa?
[23:25] <sgclark> errr without
[23:25] <valorie> oh, good idea
[23:25] <valorie> same appstreamcli error, then core dump
[23:26] <valorie> it never even gets to our stuff, just to ubuntu xenial-backports InRelease
[23:26] <valorie> maybe I should report this to the qa site
[23:27] <valorie> hmmm, take that back, since I'm not testing an iso
[23:30] <sgclark> we dont have anything in xenial archive
[23:30] <sgclark> but maybe there is an important update that stop apt coredumps lol worth a shot
[23:37] <valorie> since I can't update, but can apt install -f, I hope to be able to upgrade at some point
[23:38] <valorie> if not, I can do a fresh install, nbd either way
[23:38] <valorie> computer still boots, works
[23:58] <clivejo> valorie: looks more like a corrupt apt install


[21:54] <belkinsa> slickymaster, good luck my friend,
[22:11] <belkinsa> slickymaster, don't forget your links to your LP and wiki page...
[23:03] <slickymaster-wor> congrats belkinsa
[23:03] <belkinsa> Thanks!
[23:04] <slickymaster-wor> this team is now packed wuth UM
[23:04] <slickymaster-wor> s/wuth/with
[23:04] <jenni> slickymaster-wor meant to say: this team is now packed with UM
[23:04] <belkinsa> W00t!


[03:33] <slangasek> pitti: it seems your python-gtk2 upload drops the ${python:Provides}, which makes python-gnome2 uninstallable
[09:51] <sevis__> Hi
[09:52] <sevis__> who could help me with preseeding? I need to automate the install of Baltix Linux. I have already automated preseed file for an earlier version (9.10 or 3.8) configuration, and some steps does not fit to latest version (10.04.2), it still prompts.
[10:43] <sevis__> so could someone help me with preseeding? i asked for help on ubuntu channel, bet retrieved no help..
[14:46] <petar> i just ran a flash-video on 11.04 on an pretty old banias i855gm gpu laptop at fullscreen and it was not laggy at all.. does the i915 driver support some sort of libvdpau or any other of these frameworks?  or is it something completely different?
[16:07] <ElementCracker> guys how can i change the menu font color in GRUB2 in naatty
[16:07] <ElementCracker> ?
[16:09] <petar> ElementCracker: info grub (or /etc/defaults/grub).. whats -devel about that?
[16:12] <ElementCracker> petar: there is nothing about devel sry  but was searching abt it and was not able to customize so jst posted it here
[16:13] <petar> ElementCracker: info grub.. its all there.
[16:13] <ElementCracker> petar: thx :)
[16:14] <petar> np
[17:00] <sacton3> One of my IT guys at work and I are wanting to make a Linux distro to help replace Windows on these terrible Dell Slimlines that we have.  Most of our applications are HTML based and Java so compatibility should not be too much of a problem.  The PCs are P4's with 256m of ram.  Im think of baseing it off of either Xubuntu or Lubuntu.  Anyone have any suggestions, my main concerns are compatibility with a Windows user system and s
[17:01] <sacton3> One of my IT guys at work and I are wanting to make a Linux distro to help replace Windows on these terrible Dell Slimlines that we have.  Most of our applications are HTML based and Java so compatibility should not be too much of a problem.  The PCs are P4's with 256m of ram.  Im think of baseing it off of either Xubuntu or Lubuntu.  Anyone have any suggestions, my main concerns are compatibility with a Windows user system and s
[17:02] <OdyX> sacton3: you should just try Ubuntu and/or Debian. "It works"™
[17:05] <sacton3> Lol, I thought about using just vanilla debian at first, but I was leaning towards ubuntu due to the security and a lot of it alredy being handled with that install, would this be a problem with Debian?
[18:07] <blackmoon-105> hi, i've made an updated opensc (0.12.10) deb package, available on my launchpad repo. there is a way for include it in a ubuntu repostories?
[18:14] <blackmoon-105> no one?
[20:31] <bdrung_> maco: can you create the packaging-dev repository (or upload the current version to debian mentors so that i can create the repository)?
[20:46] <LaserJock> is the plan for oneiric to use GNOME3 with Unity? or is it going to stay GNOME 2 for another release
[20:47] <micahg> LaserJock: it's being ported to GTK3
[20:47] <LaserJock> thanks


[05:31] <shadowh511> hey, any new art stuff?
[07:47] <mtholdenss> hey just thought i'd let you know that on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Backgrounds when you select full size link for seude backgrounds it doesn't load the full resolution version.
[08:08] <mtholdenss> be great if someone could fix the broken link
[08:23] <swalko_> mtholdenss: link?
[08:24] <mtholdenss> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Backgrounds   when you select full size link for seude backgrounds it doesn't load the full resolution version
[08:27] <swalko_> which link?
[08:27] <swalko_> first
[08:27] <mtholdenss> yeah the first one
[08:28] <mtholdenss> under the heading ready for use > suede
[08:28] <swalko_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Backgrounds?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=suede_flat_1.png
[08:29] <swalko_> mtholdenss: fixed
[08:29] <mtholdenss> thanks
[08:30] <mtholdenss> i'm loving the creativity coming from these designs
[08:33] <mtholdenss> just to let you know that suede_flat_1.png is 7mb and may not be so friendly for users that don't have fast internet
[08:38] <swalko_> mtholdenss: i am not uploader, i only fixed that problem with link ... it may do everyone, because wiki is based on open concept
[08:39] <swalko_> mtholdenss: you may simply rescale that image, upload it on wiki and add link with smaller size
[09:32] <swalko_> thorwil: hi
[09:32] <thorwil> hi!
[09:32] <swalko_> thorwil: i updated my icon ... look on wiki
[09:33] <swalko_> thorwil: submission is down
[09:35] <thorwil> :(
[09:35] <thorwil> swalko_: thanks for fixing my typo on the backgrounds page!
[09:35] <swalko_> thorwil: nfw
[09:36] <swalko_> thorwil: i have one idea how to improve icon creation coordination
[09:36] <swalko_> thorwil: add to wiki "work in progress" table with icon and artist name on that is worked upon
[09:37] <thorwil> swalko_: that could be nice, yes
[09:37] <thorwil> _MMA_: ^
[09:38] <swalko_> thorwil: and next idea ... add on wiki page where will be in steps described work with one canvas workflow
[09:39] <swalko_> thorwil: if you want we may cooperate on that
[09:39] <swalko_> thorwil: i am experienced user, but it taked me little time to completely understand one canvas workflow
[09:40] <thorwil> swalko_: i thought we already had a brief explanation
[09:41] <swalko_> thorwil: brie isnt enought
[09:41] <swalko_> thorwil: and
[09:41] <swalko_> thorwil: i looked at videos
[09:41] <swalko_> thorwil: after reading bried and seened videos
[09:41] <swalko_> thorwil: i haved problems
[09:42] <swalko_> thorwil: may be i missed something ..  but i must find scripts (from tango vcs), find in which layer i must add context, icon name and etc
[09:42] <thorwil> swalko_: i'm currently dedicated to backgrounds, but if you write an outline and/or collect open questions, _MMA_ or I can reowrk that later on
[09:43] <swalko_> thorwil: i may try to write step by step guide to use one canvas workflow
[09:43] <thorwil> cool
[09:44] <swalko_> thorwil: i mean in week it will be done ... maybe soon
[09:44] <swalko_> thorwil: i put then existing template + add python an ruby scripts
[09:45] <thorwil> swalko_: you shouldn't have to deal with any scripts
[09:45] <swalko_> thorwil: scripts downloade from tange vcs
[09:45] <swalko_> thorwil: not my :)
[09:46] <swalko_> thorwil: is there a better way?
[09:47] <thorwil> swalko_: yes, i guess. check out the bzr branch
[09:48] <thorwil> otherwise just pick one of the files on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons
[09:48] <swalko_> thorwil: peoples dont need scripts ... but artists may want ... at example i want to use my icons ... i created my personal icon set (mix of breathe + human + my icons)
[09:49] <swalko_> thorwil: and that scripts saved my time
[09:50] <savvas> what kind of a script do you need? converting svg to png?
[09:51] <swalko_> savvas: i have that scripts
[09:51] <swalko_> savvas: export all icon sizes with one script
[09:52] <thorwil> swalko_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions is back. i think you should add 2 outlines to the large version of the calculator. make the outer a bit darker than the body, maybe a little touch of blue. use the inner outline for a very subtle highlight on the top and maybe sides, but not bottom
[09:54] <swalko_> savvas: i know what you mean ... but my idea was to create that calculator flat
[09:54] <swalko_> thorwil: i know what you mean ... but my idea was to create that calculator flat
[09:55] <swalko_> thorwil: something like "unibody" calculator :)
[09:55] <thorwil> swalko_: i never ever saw a calculator with sharp edges. that would be a painful experience ;)
[09:56] <swalko_> thorwil: new times, new designs :)
[09:58] <swalko_> thorwil: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons i may then put icons on what i am working
[10:00] <swalko_> thorwil: it will be good to add artist names to icons in WIP
[10:00] <thorwil> swalko_: you really have to talk with _MMA_ ;)
[10:01] <swalko_> thorwil: ok ok
[10:01] <swalko_> thorwil: have you here "meeting days or meeting time" ?
[10:03] <thorwil> swalko_: no. it's usually no problem to get him. i don't even know in which (american) timezone he is
[10:03] <swalko_> thorwil: i try him sometime in week
[10:49] <kwwii> thorwil: in the east (6 hours from us)
[10:51] <thorwil> :)
[10:52] <thorwil> hrmpf. letting gimp render the svg is also no solution, as it doesn't support masking, it seems
[10:55] <swalko_> thorwil: inkscape: export
[10:56] <swalko_> thorwil: multiple wanted size by power of two
[10:56] <swalko_> thorwil: because inkscape has buggy (blurred) export to bitmap
[10:56] <thorwil> swalko_: no, i'm struggling with a background. the inkscape export shows color-banding
[10:58] <swalko_> thorwil: i seened that too, but i meant for it was responsible my monitor
[10:59] <swalko_> thorwil: i dont know what tool is using script used by me, but you may try it
[10:59] <thorwil> swalko_: the banding is a monitor issue, sometimes. but often not :(
[11:00] <swalko_> thorwil: i have very good monitor, and i meant that was issue
[11:01] <swalko_> thorwil: try that script and you see
[11:02] <swalko_> thorwil: http://picasaweb.google.com/milan.krivda/Amarok#5288953664598001922
[11:02] <swalko_> thorwil: very ugly banding
[11:03] <thorwil> yes
[11:03] <thorwil> swalko_: and you found a way to render that one with better quality?
[11:04] <swalko_> thorwil: no ... i forgot that, because i meaned that isnt inkscape issue
[11:05] <swalko_> thorwil: have you screen with your background?
[11:06] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Backgrounds?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=jumps.jpg
[11:06] <thorwil> well, the JPG made it worse, of course
[11:07] <swalko_> thorwil: my was much worster
[11:07] <swalko_> thorwil: you may try te export only bblurred part with inkscape
[11:07] <swalko_> thorwil: non blurred with gimp
[11:07] <thorwil> swalko_: that's what i'm doing right now
[11:07] <swalko_> thorwil: and combine
[11:08] <kwwii> have you tried rendering it with batik? I used to do that a long long time ago
[11:08] <swalko_> thorwil: and try to contact inkscape devs
[11:08] <swalko_> thorwil: i newer used that
[11:09] <swalko_> thorwil: illustrator work bad with svgs
[11:09] <swalko_> thorwil: you may try karbon
[11:10] <kwwii> karbon sucks
[11:10] <thorwil> i just tried exporting double size to scale down in gimp. that used as overlay with the x1 export shows there's absilutely no difference
[11:11] <swalko_> thorwil: are you sure if it is inkscape responsive for that?
[11:11] <thorwil> swalko_: yes
[11:11] <swalko_> thorwil: i meaned by multiple by power of two
[11:11] <thorwil> an i know that the issue has been raised on the inkscape list already
[11:12] <swalko_> thorwil: that step must be performed always by exporting
[11:12] <swalko_> thorwil: that will not solve your problem, only make picture sharper after resizing in gimp
[11:12] <thorwil> swalko_: i'm working with 2560 x 1600. i will not go beyond doubling that ;)
[11:13] <thorwil> swalko_: my little experiment suggests it doesn't even lead to a sharper image. zero difference
[11:14] <swalko_> thorwil: you maked difference mask on doth pictures?
[11:14] <swalko_> both
[11:14] <thorwil> yes
[11:14] <swalko_> thorwil: and absolutelly none difference?
[11:14] <thorwil> yeah
[11:14] <swalko_> thorwil: o must try
[11:15] <thorwil> food, bbl
[11:15] <swalko_> thorwil: in oxygen that was one from first points that pinheiro pointed me
[11:52] <thorwil> kwwii: searching for batik in synaptic only delivers a libxmlgraphics-commons-java
[12:02] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, batik is the svg engine made by the mozilla people
[12:02] <kwwii> it is in java
[12:54] <Cimi> andreasn_, if you add Inherits=hicolor,Human in the gnome iconset you can have the new notifications with the gnome iconset
[12:55] <Cimi> it's an ugly workaround until they move them into hicolor, but it works
[12:55] <andreasn> yeah, but then you kind of end up with a circular dependency
[12:55] <andreasn> I currently don't run Jaunty, so I expect it to be fixed until the stable version is released
[12:55] <Cimi> andreasn, it's just until they move those icons into hicolor
[12:56] <Cimi> oh ok
[12:56] <andreasn> but thanks for the tip anyway
[12:56] <kwwii> the icons should be in a hicolor dir sometime very soon...it was put in the package on friday, I know that
[12:57] <kwwii> because I told them where to put them, etc :)
[12:57] <andreasn> kwwii, great, thanks!
[13:00] <kwwii> andreasn: sorry it wasn't right the first time around
[13:00] <kwwii> the truth is, if they had at least included the icons I gave them weeks ago this all wouldn't have been such a big deal
[13:00] <kwwii> but anyway, time to take my kid to a friends...bbl
[13:01] <andreasn> oh, well, it didn't even get into the alpha release, right?
[13:02] <andreasn> I can imagine worse things have happened between those :)
[14:44] <SealV> good morning
[16:00] <SealV> http://imgur.com/39P0N
[16:00] <SealV> flesh tones.. would like feedback
[16:03] <thorwil> SealV: looks rather agressive
[16:05] <SealV> the white strokes, probably.
[16:09] <SealV> agressive in color? or style?
[16:10] <swalko_> for me ... colors
[16:10] <swalko_> left side are colored good
[16:11] <swalko_> but right side uses agressive colors
[16:13] <SealV> agressive colors, I must admit I do not understand, swalko what is it about the right colors that you do not like? er.. hue? value?
[16:13] <swalko_> color balance
[16:14] <SealV> ah. I see..hmm
[16:14] <swalko_> concrete colors arent agressive
[16:14] <swalko_> but personally
[16:14] <swalko_> i like balanced backgrounds
[16:15] <swalko_> if i look on that background my eyes go to right side
[16:15] <swalko_> of that bg
[16:15] <swalko_> but overall
[16:15] <swalko_> that background look nice and clean
[16:15] <SealV> Ah now I see it  thanks
[16:16] <SealV> Perhaps a different brown might work better
[16:16] <SealV> instead of the redpink
[16:17] <swalko_> yes
[16:18] <swalko_> if you balance right that colors, i mean it will be very very good background for me
[16:18] <swalko_> i like their clean style
[16:20] <swalko_> and next positive thing
[16:20] <swalko_> you bgt may be nice colored in every color what you want
[16:21] <SealV> did not think about that, definitely worth trying out
[16:32] <SealV> http://imgur.com/3AIC7
[16:33] <SealV> better or worse?
[16:50] <savvas> it's extreme, but too extreme to keep for more than 5 minutes :P
[16:50] <swalko_> SealV: better, but i am still missing color balance
[16:51] <swalko_> SealV: try to use colors very close to colors on left side (i like colors on the left half)
[16:55] <SealV> savas: the first or the second? or both?
[17:26] <SealV> http://imgur.com/3ATWV
[17:26] <SealV> toned it way down. used brown
[17:47] <swalko_> SealV: beutiful
[17:48] <swalko_> SealV: thats way i liked it :)
[17:49] <swalko_> SealV: i must go, bye
[20:26] <marv1> hi there, its my first time in this channnel and i had some time to make a jaunty wallpaper, pls visit and tell me your opinion, thanks! http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/jaunty+sunset?content=100270&PHPSESSID=5f099a49c7ac361651121dfcee18115c
[20:55] <swalko_> Selv: i looked now for you
[20:56] <swalko_> SealV: i looked now for you
[20:56] <SealV> hey!, had to go study for chem lol
[20:56] <SealV> whats up?
[20:57] <swalko_> SealV: you done your bg in inkscape?
[20:57] <SealV> yup, avoid gimp like the plague
[20:57] <swalko_> SealV: may you upload svg on wiki?
[20:57] <swalko_> SealV: i want your bg in my collection :)
[20:58] <SealV> oh yeah. Just need to scale it up for bigger resoltuions
[20:58] <SealV> gimme two minutes
[20:58] <swalko_> SealV: may you upload svg?
[20:59] <SealV> yes
[21:01] <swalko_> SealV: thank you
[21:01] <SealV> np :)
[21:26] <swalko_> SealV: when you upload your icon ping me please
[21:27] <SealV> kk
[22:22] <SealV> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Hself
 I uploaded it
[22:27] <SealV> swalko_: I uploaded it
[22:28] <swalko_> SealV: thank you, i noticed that, right now i am exporting from your svg:)
[22:35] <swalko_> SealV: now i am using your bg on my desktop
[22:35] <swalko_> SealV: brown version is looking very nice
[22:35] <SealV> thanks :)