[00:05] <thumper> wallyworld_: hangout now?
[00:06] <wallyworld_> ok, just let me get my headphones
[00:07] <wallyworld_> thumper: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d3f48db1cccf0d24b0573a02f3a46f709af109a6
[01:57] <thumper> wallyworld_: looking at your create machine branch
[01:57] <thumper> wallyworld_:  surprised at the amount of change
[01:58] <thumper> wallyworld_: wondering why you didn't just add a function: func (st *State) AddMachineWithConstraints(series string, extraCons *constraints.Value, jobs ...MachineJob) (m *Machine, err error) {
[01:59] <thumper> wallyworld_: then there wouldn't be so much change
[01:59] <thumper> wallyworld_: also, putting constraints before the other params seems wrong too...
[02:00] <wallyworld_> thumper: i thought creating machines with constraints would become the norm
[02:00] <thumper> wallyworld_: not in our tests
[02:00] <thumper> it is just noise now
[02:01] <wallyworld_> you also dislike the constraints param before the jobs param?
[02:01] <wallyworld_> it can't go after
[02:01] <thumper> no, before instance and nonce
[02:02] <thumper> strange as it may seem...
[02:02] <thumper> to me it is like pushing in
[02:02] <wallyworld_> i think it (the consraints param)  aligns more closely with the series param
[02:02] <wallyworld_> it is pushing in, but that's deliberate
[02:02] <wallyworld_> series and constraints for of go together to me
[02:02] <wallyworld_> sort of
[02:03] <thumper> perhaps...
[02:03] <thumper> but I think we should have an extra method for adding constraints
[02:03] <wallyworld_> i can look at adding the extra method to reduce the noise
[02:03] <thumper> that means all the tests still look good
[02:03] <wallyworld_> yep, ok
[02:03] <thumper> I'll keep reviewing
[02:04] <thumper> also...
[02:04] <thumper> soy flat white tastes funny
[02:04] <wallyworld_> *soy* why???????
[02:04] <thumper> ran out of milk
[02:04] <wallyworld_> you ran out of milk
[02:04] <thumper> and don't like black coffee
[02:04] <wallyworld_> i would have had a pure expresso
[02:04] <wallyworld_> espresso
[02:04] <thumper> nah
[02:05] <wallyworld_> good coffee, tastes quite nice
[02:05] <wallyworld_> don't you have a shop just up the road?
[02:06] <thumper> sick kids at home
[02:06] <thumper> can't really leave them alone
[02:06] <thumper> and don't want to take them with me
[02:07] <wallyworld_> oh yeah, forgot that
[03:39] <wallyworld_> thumper: thanks for the reviews, i think i've addressed the issues
[03:39] <thumper> ok, will look shortly
[03:42] <wallyworld_> no hurry
[06:02] <dimitern> morning everybody
[07:02] <fwereade> morning all
[07:38] <dimitern> fwereade: morning
[07:42] <fwereade> dimitern, heyhey
[07:58] <dimitern> fwereade: i'll start implementing the necessary stuff to allow agents to connect to the API server first thing today
[07:59] <fwereade> dimitern, great, I'm still catching up on email etc myself
[08:02] <thumper> fwereade: you going?
[08:02] <fwereade> thumper, oh, hey, you're still around? sorry, I didn't check, I thought it'd be unreasonably late for you
[08:02] <kyhwana> fwereade: it's only 20:00
[08:03] <thumper> fwereade: no, it is about 0800UTC which is the time I'm back
[08:03] <thumper> I said that in the email :)
[08:03] <thumper> I came back especially to talk to you and TheMue
[08:03] <thumper> fwereade: so time for the "ah ma gahd" hangout?
[08:03] <fwereade> thumper, cool, thanks, I forgot UTC was 2 hours
[08:03] <thumper> :)
[08:03] <fwereade> thumper, TheMue, I am at your service
[08:04] <thumper> fwereade: I'll chat first, and will grab TheMue after...
[08:11]  * TheMue is listening
[08:43] <dimitern> reviewers? https://codereview.appspot.com/9781044/ - a small step towards having API connection in agents
[08:44] <dimitern> fwereade, TheMue: ^^
[08:55] <thumper> TheMue: ping?
[08:56] <dimitern> yo thumper!
[08:56] <thumper> dimitern: hey there
[08:56] <dimitern> thumper: if you have 5m take a look at that CL? ^^
[08:56] <thumper> sure, while I'm waiting :)
[08:58] <thumper> dimitern: you have one :)
[08:58] <dimitern> thumper: cheers!
[09:02] <TheMue> thumper: pong
[09:02] <thumper> TheMue: hey, care to join the hangout?
[09:40] <dimitern> fwereade: ping
[09:41] <fwereade> dimitern, sorry, meeting
[09:41] <dimitern> fwereade: np, ping me when you have 5m pls
[10:24] <fwereade> dimitern, hey dude
[10:25] <dimitern> fwereade: hey, can you take a look at https://codereview.appspot.com/9781044/ please?
[10:25]  * fwereade looks
[10:26] <fwereade> dimitern, can we g+ a moment? need to read surrounding code and think out loud at you a bit
[10:27] <dimitern> fwereade: sure, i'll start one
[10:27] <fwereade> dimitern, cheers
[10:27] <dimitern> fwereade: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/31a0adf406ea37411478622bf93d2c364764ab93?authuser=0&hl=en
[11:33] <danilos> dimitern, hey, joining us?
[11:37] <dimitern> danilos: oops be right there
[12:32] <dimitern> fwereade: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1qNSzFUh_r_fnceAUDsIT4SPVJhCH4G8V-YfXpv_GQGA/edit?usp=sharing
[12:41] <fwereade> dimitern, cheers
[12:42] <dimitern> fwereade: actually it looks like you cannot access ping/pong frames directly - they're handled internally
[12:42] <dimitern> fwereade: and the gui guys actually wait for a connection to be dropped and then reconnect
[12:49] <dimitern> fwereade: also, looking at the apiserver implementation, when a connection is dropped the server dies, so that's a possibility to detect
[12:57] <dimitern> fwereade: ping
[13:17] <fwereade> dimitern, heyhey, sorry, meeting again -- g+?
[13:17] <dimitern> fwereade: yeah, just a sec
[13:17] <dimitern> fwereade: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/4cdea2d176b825a710dfe5865a1b69ca5bd61944?authuser=0&hl=en
[13:41] <dimitern> fwereade: you just froze and i tried to rejoin
[15:34] <dimitern> fwereade: https://codereview.appspot.com/9811044/
[15:47] <fwereade> dimitern, I'm not sure we should be exposing SetDeadline directly... and I'm becoming unsure whether it's actually what we need, I think my brain was still parsing it as SetTimeout
[15:47] <fwereade> dimitern, it doesn't strike me as very goroutine-safe
[15:47] <fwereade> dimitern, in the service of quick progress I think I'd be fine with just a trivial Ping() method
[15:48] <fwereade> dimitern, if we want to get clever with deadlines I think we need to do it around where we're actually reading/writing on the conn
[15:48] <fwereade> dimitern, sensible?
[15:50] <fwereade> dimitern, and remember, we need to have this turning into a channel close at some point so we can select on it
[15:50] <fwereade> dimitern, ideally all we'd be exposing on State is a method returning that channel
[15:51] <fwereade> dimitern, sorry, gtg, bank
[15:53] <dimitern> fwereade: sgtm, I'll leave Ping() only then
[15:54] <fwereade> dimitern, consider keeping it unexposed on the client, though, I can't think of much reason to use it
[15:55] <fwereade> dimitern, I'm thinking of something like select { <-apist.ConnDead(): ... }
[15:55] <dimitern> fwereade: we can't - how should we call it if it's not exposed on che client
[15:55] <fwereade> dimitern, can't the client keep track internally of the connection's state?
[15:55] <dimitern> fwereade: are we talking about Ping here?
[15:55] <fwereade> dimitern, that's what I'm looking for
[15:55] <fwereade> dimitern, Ping is just a means towards that end
[15:55] <dimitern> fwereade: ok, i'm confused now
[15:56] <fwereade> dimitern, so the server needs it
[15:56] <fwereade> dimitern, but there's little cause for a client of api.State to ever call it
[15:56] <fwereade> dimitern, because a client of api.State cares about whether the conn has gone down
[15:56] <dimitern> fwereade: what then?
[15:56] <fwereade> dimitern, and api.State should be exposing that information
[15:56] <dimitern> fwereade: it's intended to be called by the task monitoring the heartbeat
[15:57] <fwereade> dimitern, I wasn't expecting that to be a task as such... and, sorry, I really must go, I'll ping you when I'm free again
[15:58] <dimitern> fwereade: so you're suggesting to implement a goroutine in the client to periodically ping the server and have a Closed() <-chan error available outside?
[15:58] <dimitern> fwereade: ok, ping me when you're back
[16:30] <mramm> just checking for a few minutes here on my day off -- anobody need anything?
[16:31] <dimitern> mramm: everything is fine :)
[16:31] <mramm> dimitern:  I figured it would be.   You guys are all great.
[16:33] <dimitern> :)
[16:33] <dimitern> i'm off - can't think anymore, need to rest
[19:49] <ahasenack> hm, since default-image-id is now deprecated:
[19:49] <ahasenack> 2013/05/27 16:49:25 WARNING config attribute "default-image-id" (4dade8d2-2b95-4e4c-b947-c5e3ff4a31ea) is deprecated and ignored, use simplestreams metadata instead
[19:50] <ahasenack> and gojuju by itself seems unable to find a suitable image id:
[19:50] <ahasenack> 2013/05/27 16:49:37 ERROR command failed: cannot start bootstrap instance: no "precise" images in lcy02 with arches [amd64]
[19:50] <ahasenack> how do I bootstrap? In this case, it's openstack
[19:50] <ahasenack> (canonistack to be more precise)
[21:26] <fwereade> ahasenack, `juju image-metadata` will generate simplestreams data for a single image as specified, and you can then copy those to your public-bucket
[21:26] <fwereade> ahasenack, I *think* we are expecting simplestreams data to be published for lcy02 before too long, but I'm not really up to speed on that, was on holiday last week
[21:28] <ahasenack> fwereade: ok, got something to play with now
[21:28] <ahasenack> $ juju image-metadata -a amd64 -i 4dade8d2-2b95-4e4c-b947-c5e3ff4a31ea -r lcy02 -s precise -e https://keystone.canonistack.canonical.com:443/v2.0/
[21:28] <ahasenack> Boilerplate image metadata files "index.json, imagemetadata.json" have been written to /home/andreas/.juju.
[21:28] <ahasenack> Copy the files to the path "streams/v1" in your cloud's public bucket.
[21:28] <ahasenack> thanks
[21:28] <fwereade> ahasenack, great
[21:29] <ahasenack> fwereade: it was so simple when all I needed was default-image-id :D
[21:30] <fwereade> ahasenack, it's a bit annoyingly manual at the moment, but it's better than having to assume that the default image id always has the exact required characteristics (regardless of series, arch, etc)
[21:32] <fwereade> ahasenack, default-image-id just enables too many fail cases -- if the tools don't match the image, nothing will work, and the reasons will be desperately unclear... although we kinda dropped the ball on the error message there, the resolution is far from clear. bah.
[21:36] <fwereade> ahasenack, would it have helped if the error message just ended with "(run `juju image-metadata`)"?
[23:40] <wallyworld_> fwereade: another problem which we can discuss tonight (my time) - stale data. there are issues with the tests which mask stale data issues in the domain entities. our code is broken, need to think about how to fix
[23:42] <wallyworld_> right now, some tests pass by fluke. adding code to ensure dirty attribute is properly refreshed causes other tests which rely on the stale data to fail


[00:14] <Linyuan> I am following the Guide on the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM
[00:14] <Linyuan> I have done all the steps until I got an error on the Installation using the virt-install to install a unix VM.
[00:14] <Linyuan> sudo virt-install --connect qemu:///system -n freebsd6 -r 512 -f freebsd6.img -s 4 -c 7.0-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso --vnc --accelerate --noautoconsole
[00:14] <Linyuan> Starting install...
[00:14] <Linyuan> libvir: QEMU error :
[00:14] <Linyuan> libvir: QEMU error :
[00:15] <Linyuan> libvir: QEMU error :
[00:15] <Linyuan> Creating storage file...  100% |[00:15] <Linyuan> Creating domain...                                                 0 B 00:00
[00:15] <Linyuan> Domain installation still in progress.  You can reconnect to
[00:15] <Linyuan> the console to complete the installation process.
[00:15] <Linyuan> I see no actual error message there and I can't connect to the VNC by
[00:15] <Linyuan>   virt-viewer qemu+ssh://<IP_ADDRESS>/system
[00:17] <Linyuan> I can see the domain running by virsh list
[00:18] <Linyuan> However I can't connect to it. What should I do?
[00:25] <Linyuan> Could anybody help? I have been working on this problem for more than 6 hours, I really don't want to fall back to the vmware solution for my new VMs.
[00:37] <Linyuan> I have some problem with installing a VM with the virt-install, with no specific error message and I cant connect to the console of the newly created VM. What should I do?
[02:42] <[Solaris]> installing on a mobo with a "hardware' raid .. a.k.a. "fakeRAID" do i need to tell the bios to turn off the raid for a software raid?
[03:05] <[Solaris]> should i disable the fake raid inbios to install on a software raid?
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> you dont have to tell it to turn it off, but you may as well
[03:06] <[Solaris]> kk, just want to make sure my bios is setup right
[03:06] <[Solaris]> for software raid
[03:07] <[Solaris]> any tips for setting up a software raid that isn't really explained much in the howto's?
[03:14] <jmedina> [Solaris]: the official software raid howto
[03:15] <jmedina> [Solaris]: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html
[03:23] <[Solaris]> thanks jmedina reading it now
[03:33] <[Solaris]> jmedina thanks for the info ... now its time to see if i can install ubuntu on this raid
[03:49] <[Solaris]> manually configureing the drives during install, do I need to allicate a swap partition and a root partition at this time or .. just set the entire (max size) to "phyical volumn for raid"
[04:05] <randomlogic78> I'm trying to setup a chroot jail for people logging into my server via ssh
[04:05] <randomlogic78> I've got the chroot env set up... but I don't know how to force the users into the chroot when the log in, and prevent them from exiting
[04:20]  * mneptok blinks
[04:20] <mneptok> whose bot is that?
[04:29] <[Solaris]> heh i feel so good now, finually figured out hw to do a software raid setup
[04:30] <[Solaris]> does grub install on all hard drives automatically?
[04:30] <[Solaris]> or do i need to go and install on each drive manually?
[04:39] <sp4sm69> Solaris: i think you need to install to each drive manually
[04:40] <[Solaris]> kk
[05:02] <[Solaris]> erm does grub normally fail on a software raid on a new install?
[06:14] <[Solaris]> strange
[06:14] <[Solaris]> can't install grub, but i can run the restore on the alt. install cd go to cmd prompt for my /dev/md0 and start x
[06:15] <[Solaris]> mdraid showed references to the old raid .. e.g. raid name and number disks was in it
[06:16] <flyback> collapses on the floor crying from the sound of mikey mouse having sex family guy
[06:46] <kees> [Solaris]: if grub didn't work on Intrepid with MD, please file a bug.  kirkland has done a lot of work on it recently, so it should be working.
[06:47] <[Solaris]> kees I'll do that once i figure out how i can get around it .. or if its even my system fault or not
[06:48] <kees> [Solaris]: what's the problem, exactly?
[06:48] <[Solaris]> during install process following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[06:48] <[Solaris]> it got to the point where it went to install grub and it puked
[06:49] <[Solaris]> now only way i can get onto my "raid" is go into rescue mode, mount /md0 and go to a shell
[06:49] <[Solaris]> there wasn't even a /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:50] <kees> that document is out of date (all the manual grub stuff isn't needed now)
[06:50] <kees> what were the errors when it puked?
[06:50] <[Solaris]> and i an't get supergrub to fix it either
[06:50] <[Solaris]> i don't remember lemme go recreate it :P
[06:51] <kees> cool, please open a bug with the output.  that should help kirkland when he looks into it.
[06:51] <[Solaris]> i know 100% sure grub did not install or touch mbr
[06:52] <[Solaris]> i also noticed with mdraid that the disks shoued infomation about its previous life as part of the "fakeraid' (e.g. volumn name and #of disks)
[06:52] <kees> hrm... fakeraid I don't know about.
[06:52] <[Solaris]> fakeraid = so called hardware raid that requires a driver
[06:53] <[Solaris]> its basically software assisted raid to allow windows to see them as a 'raid volumn'
[06:53] <[Solaris]> when ubuntu looks at the them .. it sees the individual drives
[06:54] <kees> yeah, that's the dmraid stuff.  I have no idea how that might impact a normal MD setup.
[06:56] <[Solaris]> well lets see if ican recreate thge flaw...i am at the the point of setting up the drives
[06:56] <[Solaris]> each drive is 400GB ... i dedicated 394 GB to "root" and rest to swap
[06:58] <[Solaris]> that seems big for the swap drive .... now that i think about it 24G just for swap
[07:01] <[Solaris]> reformating root with ext2 format
[07:01] <[Solaris]> this part takes a bit 1.2TB raid
[07:01] <kees> why not ext3?
[07:02] <[Solaris]> no idea
[07:02] <[Solaris]> prolyl should of done ext3
[07:02] <[Solaris]> i'll go back and fix that
[07:03] <[Solaris]> just have to wiat till it finishes what its doing now
[07:09] <[Solaris]> (restarted cuase it was faster then waiting and really lost nothing)
[07:15] <[Solaris]> just waiting for ext3 to finish formating
[07:19] <[Solaris]> instlaling OS
[07:22] <[Solaris]> should be nearing the grub installation
[07:37] <[Solaris]> kees dunno if it passed that point or not, but i be upset if doesn't break again lol
[07:53] <[Solaris]> kees "executing `grub-install (hd0)' failed
[07:53] <[Solaris]> this is a fatel error
[07:54] <[Solaris]> not sure how to get a dump out of that
[07:56] <[Solaris]> can i get it to spit out more info?
[07:57] <[Solaris]> actually
[07:57] <[Solaris]> ctrl-f4 :P
[07:57] <[Solaris]> it saying that stage1 not read correctly
[08:05] <ivoks> do you have any USB devices attached?
[08:06] <ivoks> like a usb stick or disk
[08:06] <[Solaris]> erm a usb mouse
[08:07] <ivoks> are you still installing?
[08:07] <[Solaris]> still in the install sequence but halted at the error
[08:08] <ivoks> ctrl+alt+f2
[08:08] <ivoks> chroot /target /bin/bash
[08:08] <[Solaris]> kk
[08:08] <ivoks> now, is there anything in /boot/grub/?
[08:09] <[Solaris]> yes
[08:09] <ivoks> like device.map, stage1, etc...
[08:09] <[Solaris]> but no menu.lst
[08:09] <ivoks> that's ok
[08:09] <ivoks> cat device.map
[08:10] <ivoks> no such file?
[08:10] <[Solaris]> "(hd0) /dev/sda" "(hd1) /dev/sdb" etc etc "(hd3) /dev/sdd"
[08:11] <ivoks> ok... so are you installing your system on /dev/sda?
[08:11] <[Solaris]> on all
[08:11] <ivoks> all?
[08:11] <[Solaris]> software raid
[08:11] <[Solaris]> ./dev/md0
[08:11] <ivoks> ok... what raid?
[08:11] <[Solaris]> raid5
[08:11] <ivoks> 0, 1, 5?
[08:11] <ivoks> and your /boot is on raid5?
[08:12] <[Solaris]> i believe so
[08:12] <ivoks> that won't work
[08:12] <ivoks> grub can't read from raid5
[08:12] <ivoks> it can from raid1
[08:12] <[Solaris]> ohh... ern
[08:12] <ivoks> otoh, i don't know about lilo
[08:13] <ivoks> but i doubt you could 'spread' MBR over 3 devices :D
[08:13] <[Solaris]> *cough* 4
[08:13] <ivoks> right, 4
[08:13] <ivoks> here's and advice
[08:13] <[Solaris]> well using the alt installation cd
[08:14] <[Solaris]> and going into rescue mode, i can get into the raid
[08:14] <ivoks> create 1GB partition on all four disks
[08:14] <[Solaris]> kk
[08:14] <ivoks> create raid1 with 2 of them and another raid1 with another 2
[08:15] <ivoks> hm... is it possible to create raid1 with 4 disks?
[08:15] <[Solaris]> yes
[08:15] <[Solaris]> raid 1 requires pairs of disks
[08:15] <[Solaris]> i.e. its mirror raid ..iirc
[08:15] <ivoks> then, create raid1 with 4 partitions
[08:16] <ivoks> with those 1GB partitions
[08:16] <ivoks> and mount that raid as /boot
[08:17] <ivoks> create swap partitions and then rest (or just a part) as raid5 for /
[08:17] <[Solaris]> erm i can do that
[08:17] <ivoks> if you are going to swap a lot, then thing about creating raid1 with swap
[08:17] <[Solaris]> what part of the disk is ideal to put the /boot
[08:17] <[Solaris]> not planning on swapping
[08:18] <ivoks> i usually put swap on the begining, cause r/w on the begining of disk is a bit faster
[08:18] <[Solaris]> i would be using raid 0 or 10 if it wasn't for having a bad mem stick killing several raid attempts
[08:18] <ivoks> and then /boot
[08:18] <[Solaris]> how big does /boot really need to be
[08:18] <[Solaris]> blah i have plenty of room
[08:19] <ivoks> depends on a liftime of server :)
[08:19] <ivoks> lots of kernels could end up there
[08:19] <[Solaris]> 4 400.1G drifves
[08:19] <ivoks> 500MB should be enough
[08:19] <[Solaris]> 500mb / 4 = 125mb per
[08:20] <ivoks> no
[08:20] <ivoks> 500MB on each
[08:20] <ivoks> eaquals 500MB :)
[08:20] <ivoks> cause you are mirroring
[08:20] <[Solaris]> heh i was thinking raid 5
[08:20] <[Solaris]> but even that was wrong
[08:20] <ivoks> in raid5, 125MB each would be 325MB total
[08:21] <ivoks> 375
[08:21] <ivoks> :)
[08:21] <[Solaris]> see neither of us can do math
[08:21] <[Solaris]> so lemme restart
[08:22] <[Solaris]> erm i could try
[08:22] <[Solaris]> raiding disk 1 and 2
[08:23] <[Solaris]> raiding disk 3 and 4
[08:23] <[Solaris]> then raid raid 1 with raid 2 :P
[08:23] <[Solaris]> j/k
[08:24] <ivoks> no
[08:24] <ivoks> raid all four of them
[08:24] <ivoks> if possible
[08:24] <ivoks> if not, then like you said raid 1+1 :D
[08:25] <[Solaris]> i been working on getting this pc setup since tuesday :P
[08:25] <[Solaris]> first I tried installing winxp64 pro.... had memory problems killing "fakeraid"
[08:27] <[Solaris]> then i tired dualbooting with hardware raid .. that didn't work then... then just virtualize ubuntu inside winxp64 till memory killed the raid. .(found out the problem this time and removed the ill stick)
[08:27] <[Solaris]> so i said screw it and started installing ubuntu :P
[08:28] <ivoks> which hardware raid?
[08:29] <[Solaris]> ich9
[08:29] <[Solaris]> on a gigabyte p35 board
[08:29] <ivoks> i doubt that's a hardware raid :)
[08:30] <[Solaris]> its a fakeraid
[08:30] <ivoks> right :)
[08:30] <[Solaris]> i want /boot to be bootable i assume :P
[08:33] <[Solaris]> ohh erm
[08:33] <[Solaris]> so with a raid1 you have 4 disks
[08:33] <[Solaris]> first disk is pri the second, third, fourth are just redudents
[08:34] <[Solaris]> so the size is still 500 mb
[08:34] <[Solaris]> its not commulative
[08:34] <ivoks> right
[08:34] <[Solaris]> so 500mb big enough for /boot
[08:34] <ivoks> yes
[08:34] <[Solaris]> kk
[08:34] <[Solaris]> going to add swap now :P
[08:35] <ivoks>  /boot shouldn't pass 100MB, but just to be sure, 500MB :)
[08:35] <[Solaris]> typically swap is >= 1.5 x memory ?
[08:36] <ivoks> not really
[08:36] <ivoks> how much memory do you have?
[08:36] <[Solaris]> 4G
[08:36] <ivoks> 2GB should be enough
[08:36] <ivoks> you don't want to big swap
[08:36] <ivoks> cause if you fill out 4GB, then something is really wrong
[08:37] <[Solaris]> heh true
[08:37] <ivoks> and if your 'bugy' program starts filling 6 or 8GB
[08:37] <ivoks> you won't be able to log in and kill it
[08:37] <ivoks> cause of big i/o waint caused by writting to disk
[08:37] <ivoks> s/waint/wait/
[08:38] <[Solaris]> erm so 2g / 3 = (2 x 1024 =2048)/3 = 682.6M
[08:38] <[Solaris]> odd ball number :P
[08:39] <ivoks> you want swap in raid5?
[08:39] <[Solaris]> yea
[08:39] <ivoks> i think it would be better just to create 4 swaps
[08:39] <ivoks> without raid
[08:39] <ivoks> imho, that would be faster than raid5
[08:39] <ivoks> but, i could be wrong :)
[08:40] <[Solaris]> swap shouldn't really be used with 4g memory
[08:40] <[Solaris]> either
[08:40] <[Solaris]> iirc
[08:46] <\sh> grmpf...
[08:47] <\sh> did anyone solve linux + bonding + vlan + ipvs via a 4Gbit/s portchannel + port flapping on cisco routers?
[08:47] <\sh> I wonder if I should set spanning-tree portfast on the portchannel ports to stop that..
[08:50] <ivoks> brb
[08:58] <[Solaris]> ivoks well got it installing now
[08:58] <[Solaris]> we'll see if it works
[08:58] <[Solaris]> prolly another 30 mins or so
[08:59] <ivoks> it will work :)
[08:59] <[Solaris]> ivoks this stuff (playing with disks and partitions) reminds me of the days of slackware and the dreaded 24+ floppies
[08:59] <ivoks> :)
[09:00] <[Solaris]> when you had to partition out your drive for various things lol
[09:28] <[Solaris]> looks like its cleaning up from the installs
[09:28] <[Solaris]> this is going to be nice
[09:28] <ivoks> :)
[09:28] <[Solaris]> installing grub
[09:29] <[Solaris]> and it...
[09:29] <[Solaris]> didn't work
[09:29] <ivoks> how come?
[09:29] <[Solaris]> stage1 not read correctly
[09:29] <ivoks> alt f2
[09:30] <ivoks> chroot /target /bin/bash
[09:30] <[Solaris]> at bash
[09:30] <ivoks> grub
[09:30] <ivoks> ind /grub/stage1
[09:31] <ivoks> find /grub/stage1
[09:31]  * [Solaris] waits for the probing to stop
[09:32] <[Solaris]> error 15: file not found
[09:32] <ivoks> quit
[09:33] <ivoks> is there anything in /boot/grub?
[09:33] <[Solaris]> yepp
[09:34] <ivoks> stage1?
[09:34] <[Solaris]> yepp
[09:35] <ivoks> in device.map, hd0 is mapped to /dev/sda?
[09:35] <ivoks> should be /dev/md0
[09:35] <[Solaris]> nope
[09:36] <ivoks> or md1, depends on what is /boot
[09:36] <\sh> grmpf...where do someone get real serial cables nowadays, which are working with heartbeat...well, ucast does work too...
[09:36] <[Solaris]> it has /dev/sda
[09:36] <[Solaris]> instea of /dev/md0
[09:36] <ivoks> open it, change /dev/sda to /dev/md0
[09:38] <ivoks> did you?
[09:40] <[Solaris]> heh took a momment to remember my vi commands
[09:40] <[Solaris]> but yea
[09:42] <ivoks> now run grub
[09:43] <[Solaris]> erm so this part trial and error to see which /dev/md* /boot is on?
[09:43] <[Solaris]> still didn't find stage one
[09:43] <[Solaris]> err /grub/stage1
[09:43] <ivoks> root (hd0,0)
[09:44] <[Solaris]> kk
[09:45] <ivoks> no errors?
[09:45] <[Solaris]> nope
[09:45] <[Solaris]> just echoed the command back to me
[09:45] <ivoks> setup (hd0)
[09:45] <ivoks> er... hm...
[09:45] <[Solaris]> that had errors
[09:46] <ivoks> of course...
[09:46] <ivoks> i gave you wrong instructions :)
[09:46] <[Solaris]> heh
[09:46] <ivoks> just a second...
[09:47] <ivoks> so... hd0 should be /dev/sda
[09:47] <ivoks> that was ok
[09:47] <ivoks> sorry for that
[09:47] <[Solaris]> heh
[09:47] <ivoks> so, change it back :)
[09:48] <ivoks> now, do 'cat /proc/mdstat'
[09:48] <[Solaris]> done
[09:48] <ivoks> check if md0 is in sync or still syncing
[09:48] <[Solaris]> no such file or directory
[09:48] <ivoks> exit the chroot
[09:48] <ivoks> just enter exit
[09:49] <[Solaris]> done
[09:49] <ivoks> cat /proc/mdstat
[09:50] <[Solaris]> what you want to know
[09:50] <[Solaris]> its a quarter page long
[09:50] <ivoks> md0 :
[09:50] <ivoks> should be something like:
[09:50] <ivoks> md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[1] sdc1[2] sdd1[3]
[09:51] <ivoks> my guess is that sda1 isn't the 0
[09:51] <ivoks> or sda2
[09:51] <[Solaris]> md0 : active raid1 sdd1[3] sdc1[2] sdb1[1] sda1[0]
[09:52] <ivoks> ah, i tought so...
[09:52] <[Solaris]> 489856 blocks [4/4] [UUUU]
[09:52] <ivoks> all UUUU?
[09:52] <ivoks> nice...
[09:52] <ivoks> sda1 was the last to sync, and the installer tried to read stage1 from it
[09:53] <ivoks> and failed, cause it was out of sync :)
[09:53] <ivoks> that's my guess
[09:53] <[Solaris]> so how we 'resync' thm
[09:53] <ivoks> they are in sync how
[09:53] <ivoks> now
[09:53] <ivoks> so, go back to alt+f1
[09:53] <ivoks> and try re-running grub installer
[09:54] <[Solaris]> kk
[09:54] <[Solaris]> nope
[09:54] <ivoks> try with lilo
[09:55] <[Solaris]> heh lilo atkeast ask what raid to put it on
[09:55] <[Solaris]> fatel
[09:55] <[Solaris]> only raid1 devices are supported as boot devices
[09:55] <[Solaris]> raid1 = /boot
[09:56] <[Solaris]> and i flagged that as bootable
[09:57] <ivoks> strange...
[09:57] <ivoks> ok, try this
[09:57] <ivoks> chroot /target /bin/bash
[09:57] <[Solaris]> kk
[09:57] <ivoks> cp /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/* /boot/grub/
[09:58] <ivoks> grub
[09:58] <ivoks> find /grub/stage1
[09:58] <[Solaris]> i don't ahve i386 :p
[09:58] <ivoks> ah... 64bit?
[09:58] <[Solaris]> yea
[09:58] <ivoks> then x64..whatever :)
[09:59] <[Solaris]> heh
[09:59] <[Solaris]> in grub
[10:01] <[Solaris]> can't find stage1
[10:01] <ivoks> bummer
[10:02] <ivoks> i really don't have any ideas now...
[10:02] <[Solaris]> how do i check the intergity of the raids and thier mount points
[10:02] <ivoks> try with /boot on two disk mirror
[10:02] <ivoks> cat /proc/mdstat
[10:02] <ivoks> that will tell you the state or raids
[10:02] <[Solaris]> make sure i don't have another raid flagged bootable
[10:02] <ivoks> that's irrelevant
[10:03] <ivoks> i'll be back later
[10:03] <ivoks> you can always setup /boot on raid1 with two disks or with /boot on only one disk
[10:04] <ivoks> after that you can play with partitions after you install your system
[10:04] <ivoks> that's 8.04, right?
[10:05] <[Solaris]> in cat /proc/mounts i don't think i see "/boot" in there
[10:05] <[Solaris]> yea this is 8.04
[10:05] <[Solaris]> the system is installed
[10:23] <[Solaris]> erm my "/root" raid is resynching dunno if that would be part of the problem or not
[10:23] <[Solaris]> ~70% don
[10:23] <[Solaris]> e
[10:43] <ivoks> [Solaris]: root sync isn't relevant...
[10:43] <ivoks> [Solaris]: /boot is your problem
[10:43] <[Solaris]> yea
[10:43] <ivoks> [Solaris]: i never had any problems with /boot on raid1 of two disks...
[10:43] <ivoks> maybe you should try that
[10:45] <[Solaris]> heh could use mdadm to disable 2 of the drives/partition of /dev/md0
[10:45] <[Solaris]> but don't think that would resolve the issue
[10:45] <[Solaris]> what prolly i should of done
[10:45] <[Solaris]> is done 2 disk with the other two disks as standby
[10:46] <[Solaris]> dunno if i cna change that w/o reinstalling
[10:47] <[Solaris]> how can i tell if /dev/md0 is actually mounted anywhere
[10:47] <[Solaris]> fstab?
[10:52] <[Solaris]> when i mount /dev/md0 to /mnt
[10:52] <[Solaris]> and do a ls
[10:52] <[Solaris]> it is empty
[10:52] <ivoks> empty?
[10:52] <[Solaris]> yea
[10:53] <ivoks> you didn't set up a mount point?
[10:53] <[Solaris]> shouldn't it contain all that "boot" stuff
[10:53] <ivoks> ah... your boot is still on raid5 :D
[10:53] <[Solaris]> yea
[10:53] <ivoks> doh...
[10:53] <[Solaris]> and the raid5 doesn't have a bootflag
[10:53] <ivoks> md0 shoud be mounted to /boot
[10:54] <ivoks> during partitioning, when you create md0, you have to define mountpoint
[10:54] <ivoks> it shoud be /boot
[10:54] <[Solaris]> i suppose i can use fdisk to recreate it
[10:54] <ivoks> no, no need
[10:54] <[Solaris]> i think mdadm can fix it
[10:54] <ivoks> just go back to partitioning
[10:54] <[Solaris]> won't let me
[10:54] <ivoks> and choose /boot as a mountpoint for /dev/md0
[10:55] <[Solaris]> cuase everything already installed
[10:55] <ivoks> ok
[10:55] <ivoks> let's do it like this
[10:55] <ivoks> alt+f2
[10:55] <[Solaris]> kk
[10:55] <ivoks> umount /mnt (or wherever you've mount it)
[10:55] <[Solaris]> kk
[10:56] <ivoks> mkdir /boot_tmp
[10:56] <[Solaris]> on the target
[10:56] <ivoks> cp -a /target/boot/* /boot_tmp/
[10:56] <[Solaris]> or ..
[10:56] <ivoks> mount /dev/md0 /target/boot
[10:56] <ivoks> cp -a /boot_tmp/* /target/boot/
[10:58] <[Solaris]> with it mounted try grub?
[10:59] <ivoks> not yet...
[10:59] <ivoks> nano /target/etc/fstab
[10:59] <ivoks> and add:
[10:59] <ivoks> /dev/md0 /boot ext3 relatime 0 0
[10:59] <ivoks> at the end
[10:59] <[Solaris]> heh can't nano
[10:59] <ivoks> nano-tiny
[11:00] <ivoks> (grmph... we should have vim-tiny by default in server)
[11:00] <[Solaris]> vi for the wind!
[11:00] <[Solaris]> err win
[11:02] <[Solaris]> err helps if i remember all my vi cmd
[11:02] <ivoks> i - insert
[11:02] <ivoks> shift g - last line
[11:03] <ivoks> o - open new line underneeth current, with insert
[11:03] <ivoks> esc - exit insert
[11:03] <ivoks> :wq - save and quit
[11:03] <ivoks> basicaly, you need:
[11:03] <ivoks> shift g
[11:03] <ivoks> o
[11:03] <ivoks> /dev/md0 /boot ext3 relatime 0 0
[11:03] <ivoks> [Esc]
[11:03] <ivoks> :wq
[11:06] <[Solaris]> done
[11:06] <[Solaris]> heh the other two are done via UUID numbers :P
[11:06] <ivoks> don't worry about that now
[11:07] <ivoks> we'll change that later
[11:07] <ivoks> now, try reinstalling grub
[11:07] <ivoks> in installer
[11:08] <[Solaris]> heh
[11:08] <[Solaris]> find /grub/stage1
[11:08] <[Solaris]> worked!
[11:08] <[Solaris]> on all 4 drives
[11:08] <ivoks> forget that now
[11:08] <ivoks> quit the grub
[11:08] <ivoks> alt+f1
[11:09] <ivoks> and try reinstalling grub
[11:09] <ivoks> everything should work now
[11:10] <[Solaris]> gah dunno what happen it took me bakc to partition disks
[11:10] <[Solaris]> i walked out the room for a sec
[11:10] <[Solaris]> lemm try again
[11:11] <[Solaris]> think with all that previous mounting and unmounting i unmounted /target?
[11:12] <ivoks> wouldn't it be easier just to start again with partitioning and installing?
[11:12] <ivoks> and this time with /dev/md0 as a mountpoint
[11:13] <ivoks> you won't have to partition everything again, since you allready did
[11:13] <[Solaris]> thats what i am doing now..
[11:13] <ivoks> don't forget marking /dev/md0 as /boot mountpoint
[11:14] <[Solaris]> it didnt touch /boot or / ... some reason it formated the swap
[11:14]  * [Solaris] shrug
[11:14] <ivoks> maybe you didn't select 'No, format it' on 'Keep data?' question :)
[11:14] <ivoks> just bellow the mountpoint option
[11:15] <[Solaris]> prolyl
[11:15] <[Solaris]> cuase i didnt' go into /swap
[11:15] <ivoks> it always formats swap
[11:16] <[Solaris]> i wonder if this going to rewrite /etc/fstab
[11:16] <ivoks> it will reinstall everything :)
[11:17] <[Solaris]> ohh boy
[11:17] <[Solaris]> wife might be awake be the tme this is done :P
[11:19] <ivoks> well, you should've be carefull first time :)
[11:20] <[Solaris]> not holding my breath till this done :p
[11:20] <[Solaris]> "debootstrap warning"
[11:21]  * [Solaris] sighs
[11:22] <[Solaris]> going to start over
[11:22] <ivoks> :D
[11:22] <[Solaris]> somehow it lost /target
[11:25] <ivoks> when you enter partitioning now
[11:25] <ivoks> first thing you have to do is go to 'Manual'
[11:25] <ivoks> and then 'Software RAID setup'
[11:25] <ivoks> this will activate your raid devices you've created before
[11:25] <[Solaris]> i am almost to that point
[11:25] <[Solaris]> there now
[11:26] <ivoks> great... did you activate them?
[11:27] <[Solaris]> yea
[11:27] <[Solaris]> setting mount points
[11:27] <[Solaris]> should I also include labels
[11:27] <ivoks> choose format partition
[11:27] <[Solaris]> e.g. /boot be labeld "boot"
[11:27] <ivoks> no need, labels are old and bad :D
[11:27] <[Solaris]> heh
[11:27] <ivoks> you can have two disks with same label :)
[11:28] <ivoks> don't forget /boot mountpoint for /dev/md0 :D
[11:28] <[Solaris]> heh i didn't
[11:28] <[Solaris]> went down the list
[11:28] <[Solaris]> formating them now
[11:28] <ivoks> great... that's should be ok now
[11:29] <ivoks> i'll be here for next 10 minutes, if you need any help
[11:29] <\sh> now I have to patch heartbeats ldirectord to recognize adobe fms admin calls...crap
[11:30] <[Solaris]> ivoks heh it'll take more then 10 mins to reach the grub install step.. .but i'll keep you on speed-dail
[11:32] <ivoks> [Solaris]: hit alt+f2
[11:32] <ivoks> and run 'mount'
[11:32] <[Solaris]> kk
[11:32] <ivoks> if /dev/md0 is mounted to /target/boot
[11:32] <ivoks> then everything should be fine
[11:33] <ivoks> you can double check with 'cat /proc/mdstat'
[11:33] <ivoks> yo check if md0 is really raid1 :D
[11:33] <[Solaris]> heh gotta wait till the system are formated
[11:33] <ivoks> ah... ext3 for /?
[11:33] <[Solaris]> yepp
[11:33] <ivoks> i always choose XFS when i'm dealing with large partitions
[11:34] <ivoks> so that formating is the longest process in instalation?
[11:34] <ivoks> i was wondering how come your installation lasts for 30 minutes... it's usually done in max. 15 :)
[11:34] <[Solaris]> heh
[11:34] <[Solaris]> root is 1.2TB ext3
[11:34] <[Solaris]> takes a bit to formate
[11:35] <ivoks> 'a bit' :)
[11:35] <\sh> xfs is the best for this
[11:35] <ivoks> right
[11:35] <[Solaris]> well all raids are active and the correct type
[11:35] <\sh> /dev/drbd0            6.9T   74G  6.8T   2% /webzooms
[11:36] <\sh> hehe
[11:36] <[Solaris]> now now don't get me jealous
[11:36] <ivoks> i have one non-drbd 7TB
[11:36] <[Solaris]> having a hard enough time with grub :P
[11:37] <[Solaris]> everything is mounted correctly
[11:37] <ivoks> \sh: if you are using drbd, check out (and help with) https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/drbd8/+bug/271254
[11:37] <ivoks> :)
[11:39] <ivoks> [Solaris]: still formating?
[11:39] <\sh> ivoks: did he do the first sync ?
[11:39] <[Solaris]> ivoks nope its done
[11:39] <ivoks> \sh: the sync isn't the problem
[11:39] <ivoks> \sh: drbd userland just doesn't see drbd
[11:39] <\sh> ivoks: I do run drbd8 and never had the problem...
[11:39] <ivoks> \sh: this is intrepid
[11:39] <\sh> bah
[11:40] <\sh> kernel ;9
[11:40] <ivoks> i also think it's a kernel issue
[11:40] <ivoks> we took the bullet taking 2.6.27 :/
[11:41] <ivoks> [Solaris]: then check with mount if /dev/md0 is mounted to /target/boot
[11:41] <[Solaris]> [05:36:20] <[Solaris]> everything is mounted correctly
[11:41] <ivoks> ok, ok :)
[11:41] <ivoks> didn't see that one
[11:41] <\sh> ivoks: seems so
[11:42] <ivoks> well... bbl guys
[11:42] <ivoks> [Solaris]: happy ubuntuing ;)
[11:43] <[Solaris]> heh thanks for yhe help
[12:08] <\sh> aye...I don't need to patch ldirectord ;)
[13:02] <[Solaris]> \sh besides irssd any recommendation for irc clients?
[13:08] <\sh> [Solaris]: depends what you want...UI or text...if text==irssie
[13:08] <\sh> if UI: xchat  quassel konversation
[13:11] <[Solaris]> got pretty used to GUI interfaces ...
[13:11] <[Solaris]> slowly changing back over
[17:06] <zzgvh> Is it possible to mount a RAID1 partition on the host form a KVM guest and if so how should the /etc/libvirt/qemu/guest.xml for that look?
[17:18]  * flyback dies laughign again at the sound of mickey mouse humping on family guy
[20:02] <zeroTheHero> hi all,
[20:29] <He1lBound> can I upgrade hardy ubuntu to hardy ubuntu server?
[20:31] <HellMind> can I upgrade hardy ubuntu to hardy ubuntu server?
[20:31] <_ruben> HellMind: sudo apt-get install linux-server .. that'd install the server kernel ..
[20:33] <HellMind> ty
[20:33] <HellMind> is there any big differences between server and normal version?
[20:43] <HellMind> im trying to install ubuntu server on a routeros xen host
[20:46] <_ruben> desktop and server differ in that they have slightly different kernels, and a different set of base applications, but since they use the same repositories, one can be turned into the other 'easily'
[20:55] <HellMind> ok
[20:55] <HellMind> anyone installed ubuntu server on xen host?
[20:57] <_ruben> probably tons of ppl, i never used xen though ;) .. might wanna try in #ubuntu-virt as well, tho that channel isnt that active either most of the time
[20:57] <Deeps> there are issues with ubuntu hardy and xen, look on launchpad, i forget the bugid
[20:58] <HellMind> :(
[21:00]  * [Solars] is curious now on the real difference in kernels and which apps are used between server and non-server
[22:20] <Kapli> I have a problem, on my router I have ports which are opened on specific internal IP's. Sometimes when for example the power goes out and the router resets and such my server gets a different internal IP. Is there any way to get my server to just get the internal IP that I want it to?
[22:21] <[Solars]> have the dhcp assign a static ip address
[22:23] <Kapli> exactly how do i do that? :)
[22:25] <[Solars]> not 100% sure :P
[22:30] <Kapli> i used the command $sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> but can i be sure that like if power goes out or something that my server doesnt accept any other ip than that one?
[22:33] <[Solars]> erm i can think you can hardcode your eth0 (again not sure how todo it (been years since i played with *nix))
[22:34] <[Solars]> also you can edit...erm can't remember the file that runs commands after boot... and add that line to adjust the ip
[22:34] <Kapli> well see my problem right now
[22:34] <Kapli> is that i have opened port 80 on <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:35] <Kapli> and when i typed ifconfig on my server it said <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:35] <Kapli> and so if i typed that address in my address bar it would work for me ofc but my external ip wouldnt work for anyone else cuz ye 80 would be opened on 100 and thats not the ip my server had
[22:36] <Kapli> so i typed the command and my ifconfig now says it has <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:36] <Kapli> but it doenst seem like anyone else can connect
[22:37] <Kapli> how can i check if my server has internet
[22:38] <Kapli> if i try to ping something it says unknown host, does that mean it doesnt have internet?
[22:38] <[Solars]> can you open the port for your internal ip range?
[22:38] <[Solars]> unable pings just means there wasn't a ctcp reply
[22:39] <Kapli> ye thats my problem, i cant bcuz i lost the password to my customer pages and i cant request a new one until monday when they are at work
[22:39] <Kapli> well how can i check my server has internet
[22:40] <[Solars]> ohh erm, i'll let soemone else answer if they can help, I prolyl just getting in the way
[22:40] <Kapli> i googled it and they suggest pinging
[22:41] <Kapli> so if pinging doesnt work then it doesnt have net
[22:41] <Kapli> cuz it worked before i changed the internal ip
[22:41] <[Solars]> telnet
[22:41] <[Solars]> ftp
[22:41] <Kapli> telnet to what :D
[22:41] <[Solars]> heh dunno
[22:44] <Kapli> well rebooted, check if config and its 102 now, pinged google and got response, c
[22:44] <Kapli> changed it to 100, pinged again and it says unknown host
[22:57] <arico> hi, greetings for everybody
[22:58] <arico> I have this question: has somebody an idea of how to sync ubuntu computer with UPD connected through serial port ???
[22:58] <arico> * UPS I mean
[22:58] <arico> * not UDP
[23:09] <arico> how does this chat works??
[23:10] <arico> does somebody helps??
[23:10] <arico> or it's just p2p conversations ???
[23:15] <J_5> what is he latest version of ubuntu server?
[23:16] <Nafallo> 8.04.1
[23:17] <Nafallo> even if "daily" is the absolute latest :-P
[23:17] <kgoetz> arico: you ask a questino, and when someone thinks they can help, they answer
[23:17] <kgoetz> latest stable is 8.04.1 (.2 i thought was out, was a mistaken?)
[23:18] <Nafallo> yes.
[23:18] <kgoetz> arico: and perhaps 'apt-cache search ups' will givce you some starting points
[23:18] <Nafallo> you are thinking of 6.06.2
[23:19] <kgoetz> Nafallo: thanks, i likely was.
[23:21] <kgoetz> lease keep in mind that I do not have in hand either the
[23:21] <kgoetz> full GPL text or the source code of the last mmv release (oops).
[23:21] <kgoetz> er, sorry.
[23:21] <kgoetz> win 27
[23:21] <kgoetz> :| not my day
[23:38] <arico> thanks kgoetz for your answer
[23:40] <kgoetz> no worries


[02:08] <Juzzy> wb
[02:08] <Juzzy> heh
[02:08] <Juzzy> hah 0.09mb / 0.05
[02:13] <Juzzy> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2684452009.png ;/
[02:17] <wrst> Juzzy: not funny :)
[02:18] <Juzzy> :(
[02:19] <wrst> my home connection isn't much better tonight
[02:20]  * wrst dreams of Juzzy s connection someday
[02:24] <Unit193> wrst: Don't sleep. ;)
[02:24] <cyberanger> Juzzy: at work?
[02:24] <cyberanger> Unit193: lol
[02:25] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, don't sleep
[02:35] <wrst> ha
[04:18] <Omnifrog> no sleep
[04:19] <Unit193> That's the plan!
[10:36] <wrst> Unit193: so did you sleep?
[14:06] <Unit193> wrst: Little bit, yep.
[14:15] <wrst> what is wrong with you? didn't think you needed it Unit193? :P
[14:16] <Unit193> I'm not good at it.
[14:25] <wrst> evidently


[00:24] <charlie-tca> Oh, I feel better now. I felt like crap all week!
[00:25] <BUGabundo> I still do
[00:26] <charlie-tca> but you have a good reaon to
[00:27] <BUGabundo> I do?
[00:27] <charlie-tca> Didn't you just get over the flu?
[00:27] <BUGabundo> no
[00:28] <charlie-tca> oh, then you don't have a reason either
[00:28] <BUGabundo> aha
[00:28] <charlie-tca> :-)
[00:42] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: http://acidcow.com/pics/20101022/acid_picdump_114.jpg
[00:54] <charlie-tca> hehehe
[00:54] <charlie-tca> My kind of worker ;-)
[01:20] <lukus> hi
[01:21] <lukus> i have a problem with 10.10 .. when my machine hibernates - when it resumes my bluetooth mouse no longer works
[01:21] <bazhang> lukus, #ubuntu for 10.10
[01:21] <charlie-tca> !support
[01:46] <charlie-tca> Well, wish me luck. Upgrading a fresh maverick install to natty (again)
[01:47] <alex_mayorga> charlie-tca: needless to ask, but how broken is natty?
[01:47] <charlie-tca> I don't know yet. I am still trying to upgrade to it
[01:49] <BUGabundo> see?
[01:49] <BUGabundo> that's why I upgrade on day one
[01:49] <BUGabundo> less chance of breakage
[01:50] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: wise guy you are
[01:50] <charlie-tca> I broke it bad last nite trying to upgrade
[01:50] <alex_mayorga> pondering if I should jump in already too
[01:50] <alex_mayorga> I can't post to twitter with gnome-do so maverick is useless for me :)
[01:51] <charlie-tca> jumping. It only takes me a couple of hours each install of maverick
[01:51] <alex_mayorga>  "Account validation failed!" anyone else?
[01:51] <charlie-tca> Oh, and a couple more hours to upgrade to natty and break it
[01:51] <charlie-tca> Don't use gwibber myself. I only use xchat
[01:51] <alex_mayorga> charlie-tca: almost as effective as automated testing :D
[01:52] <alex_mayorga> charlie-tca: trying gnome-do over here
[01:52] <charlie-tca> ah, xubuntu!
[01:52] <BUGabundo> hours??
[01:52] <charlie-tca> hours
[01:53] <charlie-tca> What? new system?
[01:53] <charlie-tca> I bought the 64bit about 4 years ago now
[01:53] <BUGabundo> 3 yo laptop
[01:53] <BUGabundo> with brand new SSD
[01:53] <charlie-tca> single core, athon 2.2Ghz
[01:53] <BUGabundo> c2d 2.4
[01:54] <BUGabundo> t8300
[01:54] <charlie-tca> I think I only buy whatever is obsolete at the time
[01:55] <alex_mayorga> whatever you buy is probably obsolete by the time you pay for it
[01:55] <charlie-tca> No, not here. Whatever I buy is on closeout clearance already
[01:55] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: can you tweet from gnome-do on natty
[01:56] <alex_mayorga> charlie-tca: my favorite department in computer stores
[01:57] <BUGabundo> Alex not even configured
[01:57] <BUGabundo> never used it
[01:58] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: twitter or do?
[01:58] <BUGabundo> gnome-do posting to µblogs
[02:00] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: can you do a test for me please?
[02:01] <BUGabundo> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:01] <BUGabundo>  /var/cache/apt/archives/openjdk-6-jre-headless_6b20-1.10~pre2-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[02:01] <alex_mayorga> it's for sure broken on maverick :(
[02:01] <BUGabundo> can't even see what's in the screen
[02:17] <charlie-tca> That's right. I forgot about my super speed internet. Just 200 more downloads to begin install packages
[02:20] <BUGabundo> 8mb/s here
[02:21] <charlie-tca> 150K here
[02:21] <charlie-tca> oh, 150Kb/s
[02:22] <charlie-tca> when it works. right now it looks like 80Kb/s
[02:22] <BUGabundo> eewwww
[02:22] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: nice, what type of connection is that one?
[02:22] <charlie-tca> see, back to hours
[02:22] <BUGabundo> adsl 2+
[02:23] <alex_mayorga> 2+?
[02:23] <BUGabundo> its how its called
[02:24] <BUGabundo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_Digital_Subscriber_Line
[02:26] <alex_mayorga> I see, guess my country is still stuck in ADSL
[02:26] <bjsnider> charlie-tca, that's pretty bad
[02:27] <BUGabundo> we are on fiber now
[02:27] <BUGabundo> ppl getting 122mbits/s
[02:28] <BUGabundo> I love this kind of dumb reports http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=60382
[02:33] <charlie-tca> seems simple - Open settings, it crashes
[02:34] <BUGabundo> right
[02:34] <BUGabundo> but not always
[02:35] <charlie-tca> Oh, One of those
[02:39] <BUGabundo_cookie> charlie-tca: so my slow upstream of 100KB/s is faster then your downstream
[02:39] <BUGabundo_cookie> wow that hurts
[02:40] <bjsnider> BUGabundo_cookie, rubbing it in
[02:40] <BUGabundo_cookie> no.. its slow... really
[02:40] <BUGabundo_cookie> everyone I know, around here, has faster
[02:41] <BUGabundo_cookie> like, my boss has a bigger piper then our DCs links :S
[02:43] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo_cookie: what TLD are you at?
[02:44] <charlie-tca> Everybody I know is faster too
[02:49] <alex_mayorga> charlie-tca: your TLD?
[02:49] <alex_mayorga> I'm in .mx and get ~210Kb/s downstream
[02:54] <charlie-tca> same error today! base files failed to upgrade
[02:54] <charlie-tca> Well, I guess this will wait until alpha1 to upgrade after all
[02:55] <charlie-tca> I don't my TLD
[02:55] <BUGabundo_cookie> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=60382#c1 LOOOOOOOOL
[02:56] <BUGabundo_cookie> Portugal
[02:56] <charlie-tca> I give up
[02:56] <charlie-tca> good night
[02:57] <BUGabundo_cookie> nite
[04:26] <BUGabundo> bou mimir. guud nite
[12:22] <penguin42> ooh a nice new fresh +1 channel
[12:43] <yofel> wb penguin42 :)
[12:43] <penguin42> hi yofel
[14:38] <macman_> BUGabundo, are you a bot ?
[14:38] <BUGabundo> aahah
[14:39]  * penguin42 oils BUGabundo
[14:39]  * BUGabundo drips
[14:42] <charlie-tca> Lessons forgot when upgrading to Ubuntu+1 - Must remove Nvidia hardware driver before the upgrade
[14:42] <BUGabundo> lol
[14:47] <penguin42> charlie-tca: I have a bug 636418 saying that Jockey should warn users about that :-)
[14:48] <penguin42> probably wouldn't help this early though
[14:58] <charlie-tca> hm, the catch is I can install them after upgrading the system to natty. I just can not upgrade with them installed
[15:01] <penguin42> so, do-release-upgrade -d doesn't do anything yet, and update-manager -d doesn't do anything yet - so is the correct way apt-get dist-upgrade  ?
[15:02] <charlie-tca> Change sources.list manually and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:02] <penguin42> ah ok, the old school way
[15:02] <Monotoko> penguin42, its because its really early on...you have to change it all
[15:02] <charlie-tca> But, if nvidia hardware driver is installed, you break it. I reinstalled maverick 4 times before I got it right
[15:03] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[15:03] <penguin42> nah, it's Intel on this <---- machine
[15:03] <BUGabundo> good reason to stick with nouveu
[15:03] <BUGabundo> penguin42: no changes to DIST so you can't dist-upgrade
[15:04] <BUGabundo> sed your sources and do a aptitude full-upgrade
[15:04] <BUGabundo> good luck... you will need it
[15:04] <penguin42> ah, there we go - 503 updated packages, 30 new
[15:07] <penguin42> for natty, this channel really should be something like 'life at the sharp end'
[15:11] <charlie-tca> I did the dist-upgrade after changes the sources
[15:11] <BUGabundo> I'm still amazed debian unstable is on 2.6.32
[15:11] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: go with aptitude
[15:11] <BUGabundo> there are two packages broken
[15:12] <charlie-tca> I never use aptitude
[15:12]  * penguin42 really should look at some debian bugs, there is a local debian bug day meeting in a few weeks and it seems worthy
[15:12] <BUGabundo> you should
[15:13] <BUGabundo> how is skype latelly ?
[15:13] <BUGabundo> can't get ppl to use mumble as much as I would like
[15:13] <BUGabundo> so I guess ill have to install skype
[15:14] <BUGabundo> is this wiki up to date? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[15:18] <BUGabundo> Failed to fetch http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[15:18] <BUGabundo> guess not
[17:33]  * penguin42 reboots - see you in Natty
[17:45] <penguin42> wahey!
[17:53] <penguin42> ooh the nominate for release now lets you natty something
[18:07] <Craigwdy2k> I just tried to install AMD64 Kubuntu 10.10: it seems to be having trouble seeing my pre-existing Root Ext3 Partition...  What should I do...?
[18:08] <penguin42> Craigwdy2k: This channel is now for 11.04, 10.10 is in #ubuntu
[18:08] <penguin42> Craigwdy2k: However, I'd check to see if you can see the root partition from the install CD and go from there
[18:09] <Craigwdy2k> When did Kubuntu 11.04 come out...?
[18:09] <penguin42> it hasn't yet - that's why this channel is +1 - i.e. the next version
[18:12] <Craigwdy2k> I see: yeah: not only can it not see my partition but I got a weird X Low Resolution display error after attempting to use the Rescue a Broken System boot option...
[18:13] <Craigwdy2k> I tried to reconfigure X but then I get stuck in a infinite configuring Display Loop...
[18:43] <penguin42> ooh, my first natty upgrade  failure
[18:50] <charlie-tca> How lucky can you get, huh?
[18:50] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Well that's 50/50 :-)
[18:51] <penguin42> update-grub seems to have screwed up the paths
[18:57] <penguin42> don't suppose anyone has a grub.cfg from a machine with a separate /boot that I could compar ewith?
[19:07] <penguin42> ah, it's bug 665471
[19:30] <yofel> penguin42: I have a natty machine with seperate /boot here (that is still running 2.6.35 since I never bothered to reboot..)
[19:31] <yofel> oh, and still has maverick grub installed..
[19:31] <yofel> penguin42: if it helps, grub.cfg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/518863/
[19:32] <yofel>  /boot is sdb1 / is sdb7
[19:46] <penguin42> yofel: Right, I'd bet on that not rebooting
[19:48] <yofel> ah wait, that has natty grub installed, I looked at the wrong ssh session -.-
[19:48] <penguin42> yofel: Don't worry, now I've found the other bug I don't need it
[19:50] <yofel> yeah right, '/boot' isn't supposed to be there..
[20:01]  * penguin42 wonders why the iscs_trgt module has gone missing, I can see it's still in the git tree and I can see the config is still on
[20:36] <penguin42> looks like next to nothing from the ubuntu tree in the kernel is built in the 2.6.36 package
[20:57] <grubhelp> Hello, In order for me to be able to boot. I need to edit my "linux" line and change /boot/ to '(hd0,msdos1)' each time. I have tried to reinstall grub2 and I still get the "Error no file found" and "Error must load kernel first" messages on boot.
[20:58] <grubhelp> Ohh and my initrd line also.
[20:58] <grubhelp> Any help would be appreciated.
[21:00] <grubhelp> http://paste.ubuntu.com/518896/
[21:02] <penguin42> grubhelp: Welcome to bug 665471
[21:02] <penguin42> I said, bug 665471
[21:03] <grubhelp> Ahh k, thought I broke something
[21:03] <grubhelp> Thanks penguin42
[21:54] <BUGa_brokenkerne> hey guys on last boot, the kernel upgrade boosted
[21:54] <BUGa_brokenkerne> cant boot anymore
[21:54] <BUGa_brokenkerne> grub complains it needs to select a kernel
[21:55] <BUGa_brokenkerne> but i didnt change anything in grub recently
[21:55] <BUGa_brokenkerne> hey DanaG
[21:56] <BUGa_brokenkerne> u have a G1 ?
[21:56] <penguin42> BUGa_brokenkerne: Bug 665471
[21:57] <BUGa_brokenkerne> aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[21:57] <BUGa_brokenkerne> any work around?
[21:57] <BUGa_brokenkerne> i have /boot on ext4 because of BTRFS
[21:57] <penguin42> just edit the /boot out of the kernel and initrd lines
[21:58] <BUGa_brokenkerne> ohh its just a grub bug?
[21:58] <BUGa_brokenkerne> i can downgrade from cache version, right ?
[21:58] <penguin42> BUGa_brokenkerne: I think it's update-grub that's the problem
[21:58] <BUGa_brokenkerne> probably
[21:59] <penguin42> BUGa_brokenkerne: The devs just put that type of thing in to keep those of us silly enough to try it this early on our toes
[21:59] <BUGa_brokenkerne> :)
[22:00] <penguin42> BUGa_brokenkerne: I was tempted to file a separate bug that grub doesn't let you get back to the menu from that point
[22:02] <BUGa_brokenkerne> ok, let me reboot and change directly in grub console
[22:02] <BUGa_brokenkerne> to see if that works
[22:04] <BUGabundo> thanks penguin42
[22:04] <BUGabundo> that worked marvelous
[22:07] <BUGabundo> penguin42: can you tell me the bug again?
[22:07] <BUGabundo> so I can CC
[22:07] <penguin42> 665471
[22:07] <BUGabundo> bug 665471
[22:08] <penguin42> it's almost worth topicing that one
[22:08] <BUGabundo> I would say so
[22:09] <BUGabundo> humm what OP is awaked at this hour ?
[22:09] <BUGabundo> on a saturday night?
[22:09] <BUGabundo> ikonia: jpds: please put bug 665471 on /topic. thanks
[22:10] <ikonia> hang on
[22:10] <BUGabundo> kk
[22:10] <penguin42> something between launchpad and the bot isn't very happy tonight
[22:10] <ikonia> does that need to be in the topic ?
[22:10] <ikonia> (I find it quite serious, it would affect me personally quite bad)
[22:11] <BUGabundo> ikonia: it would have helped me
[22:11] <ikonia> did this not happen until an update ?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> and we usually use /topic for this kinda of stuff
[22:11] <penguin42> ikonia: Lot of people hitting it
[22:11] <ikonia> or has this been there from day one
[22:11] <BUGabundo> serious bugs that affect a large part of users
[22:11] <BUGabundo> ikonia: it hit me today
[22:12] <ikonia> I don't disagree, it's just the first I've read of it
[22:12] <BUGabundo> was fine last night and this morning
[22:12] <ikonia> so it's an update
[22:12] <BUGabundo> and since its weekend, won't probably be addressed until Monday
[22:12] <BUGabundo> I think it was kernel <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:12] <penguin42> ikonia: Read back, I asked about it a few hours ago, and there were one or two others inbetween - not sure anything else has been asked about!
[22:12] <BUGabundo> at least its in my latest batch of aptgetables
[22:12] <ikonia> hang on
[22:13] <ikonia> for some odd reason I was working on 10.10 in my head, sorry
[22:13] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:13] <BUGabundo> nope
[22:13] <BUGabundo> 11.04 in here
[22:13] <penguin42> ikonia: Bah that's old :-)
[22:13] <ikonia> I know, sorry, I lost track
[22:13] <BUGabundo> yeah, that's old
[22:14] <ikonia> Natty Narwhal 11.04 | UDS Oct 25-29 | Happy Bug Hunting! |Maverick/10.10 support in #ubuntu | seperate /boot user - Narwhal is broke, check bug #665471
[22:14] <penguin42> ikonia: Ta
[22:15] <BUGabundo> you missed something
[22:15] <ikonia> what ?
[22:15] <ikonia> oops
[22:15] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[22:16] <penguin42> better :-)
[22:16] <BUGabundo> much
[22:16] <ikonia> sorry, not with it
[22:16] <BUGabundo> separate or separated ?
[22:16] <ikonia> seperate
[22:16] <BUGabundo> kk
[22:16] <BUGabundo> not being native lang, some words ilude me
[22:16] <ikonia> either would technically work
[22:17] <BUGabundo> lp is dead
[22:17] <BUGabundo> pages are half loading :S
[22:18] <BUGabundo> can't sub to the bug
[22:18] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:22] <BUGabundo> the amount of updates on a stable release (this recent) is staggering
[22:22] <BUGabundo> 73 updates, 115MBs in just one week
[22:26] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Don't forget the number is multiple packages for a single fix
[22:27] <BUGabundo> still too much
[22:28] <BUGabundo> but I guess, needed
[22:38] <yofel> meh, my rt2860 works crappy with 2.6.36... when I try to transfer some data continously over wireless the connection drops after a few minutes and I have to reload the module for it to connect again
[22:38] <yofel> if I don't it hangs at the AP scan
[22:39] <BUGabundo> funny
[22:39] <BUGabundo> janitor doesn't recommend the removing of older kernel
[22:39] <BUGabundo> I've got like 6 now