[12:59] <mdke> i've changed the RestrictedFormats wiki. Feel free to change back/correct mistakes. i've sent an email to the list too
[12:59] <mdke> bed time now
[12:59] <mdke> nice to meet you all
[06:35] <froud> African Greetings
[06:35] <froud> me sees some very interesting discussion in the irc log.
[08:32] <froud> Burgundavia: morning. You should read IRC log, it will interest you ;-)
[08:40] <Burgundavia> am doing now
[08:45] <Burgundavia> who is mdke?
[08:46] <Burgundavia> cool about the yahoo press release
[08:48] <froud> Burgundavia: thanks, dont know mdke
[08:48] <froud> mdke is a new entrant
[09:09] <Burgundavia> alright, where should I send my patch?
[09:13] <Burgundavia> ok, I have an issue with the links. They are not working correctly
[09:35] <Burgundavia> maskie: you have commit access to the svn repo?
[10:04] <froud> Burgundavia: you can send patches to the list
[10:05] <froud> If you send it now I will check it. Thanks.
[10:09] <Burgundavia> ok, I am almost done. Lots of language cleanup primarily
[10:09] <Burgundavia> svn -diff?
[10:11] <Burgundavia> should I include in the email or attach the patch?
[10:22] <Burgundavia> all 500 lines of it?
[10:56] <froud> attach the patch
[10:56] <froud> which doc is it for please
[10:58] <Burgundavia> quickguide
[10:59] <Burgundavia> done
[11:00] <froud> got it thank
[11:07] <froud> Burgundavia:  nice one thanks, I have applied it
[11:07] <Kinnison> Morning guys
[11:08] <froud> Burgundavia:  in some places your checking was a bit intrusive. In other words your personal preference. But that's ok ;-)
[11:08] <froud> Kinnison: morning
[11:10] <froud> Burgundavia: we actually wanted more text than less :-)
[11:10] <Burgundavia> froud: hmm
[11:10] <Burgundavia> morning
[11:10] <Burgundavia> I cut out some stuff that was better left explained elsewhere, IMHO
[11:10] <Burgundavia> feel free to add anything you feel back in
[11:11] <Burgundavia> I will have another patch for you in about an hour
[11:11] <Burgundavia> much smaller this time
[11:11] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: I wanted to thank for your 30 sec. intro to OO programming. That 30sec was more useful that 3 years of school
[11:14] <froud> Burgundavia: sure, no worries, I will leave it in community hands now. However, it is always good to work in small patches. Work in a node, make changes and make a patch. That way it is easier to apply/not apply, role forward and backwards ;-)
[11:14] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: *grin*
[11:16] <abelli> Kinnison: what kind of introduction?
[11:16] <abelli> Kinnison: ruby right? ;)
[11:17] <Kinnison> abelli: naah; python in this instance because it's what we had to hand
[11:17] <abelli> eheh :)
[11:18] <abelli> Burgundavia: kinnison is the best teacher you could have had. :o)=
[11:18] <Burgundavia> dammit, I want committ access to the svn repo
[11:19] <Burgundavia> s/committ/commit
[11:19] <Kinnison> svn is so crud. It ate my boyfriend's repository
[11:19] <Burgundavia> well it is what they use
[11:19] <abelli> Burgundavia i think that after having washed 300 times elmo's car.. youll easily have it :)
[11:20] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: It's amazing. 1 working repo... rsync it... 1 non-working repo
[11:20] <Kinnison> svn is so shit
[11:20] <Burgundavia> ouch
[11:20] <Burgundavia> so has he moved to baz then?
[11:20] <Kinnison> And we rsynced the entire /home to a new OS installation
[11:20] <Kinnison> he won't touch baz
[11:20] <Kinnison> http://www.livejournal.com/users/nunfetishist/20189.html
[11:23] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: what is the timeframe for moving bugzilla-->malone?
[11:25] <froud> Kinnison: he did not configure live spanshot right
[11:25] <froud> snapshot
[11:26] <froud> All revision systems are prone to problems, the trick is to be a good admin and plan for disaster recovery
[12:16] <froud> enrico: can you arrange with Burgundavia to setup svn commit account, please?
[12:16] <Kinnison> froud: I don't like VCSs where the disaster recovery tools don't work
[12:17] <froud> Kinnison: Hmm strange I have had good experiences with SVN.
[12:18] <froud> I have corrupted my database a few times. Everytime I was able to recover
[12:50] <enrico> froud: sure
[12:50] <enrico> Burgundavia: around?
[12:50] <Burgundavia> yep
[12:50] <enrico> Burgundavia: please send me your preferred username and GPG key ID, and I'll forward that to Elmo
[12:51] <enrico> If you have no gpg key, then please send me your preferred username, and the password encrypted with Elmo's GPG key
[12:51] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: bet you're glad I convinced you to have a GPG key now :-)
[12:51] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: actually, that key got munched when the hdd died on that laptop
[12:52] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: boo hiss
[12:52] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: You suck :-)
[12:52] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: the only place it went to was the old svn repo
[12:52] <Kinnison> Heh
[12:52] <Burgundavia> that is why I didn't join the key signing
[01:03] <mdke> morning all
[01:11] <froud> hello mdke
[01:11] <mdke> hi
[01:11] <froud> read your intersting discussion yesterday
[01:11] <froud> nice ideas
[01:13] <mdke> heh
[01:14] <mdke> i find it easy to place myself in the boots of an ubuntu n00b
[01:14] <mdke> worryingly
[01:14] <mdke> >_>
[01:14] <mdke> ,_<
[01:17] <mdke> i think that since ubuntu is such a great user friendly distro, its docs should be user friendly too
[01:20] <mdke> froud, anyway pleased to meet you, my name is matt
[01:35] <froud> sorry I was on the bongo-drums (phone)
[01:35] <mdke> lol
[01:35] <froud> yes, all help is welcome
[01:35] <froud> I dont touch wiki much
[01:35] <mdke> hmm
[01:35] <froud> only for Documentationteam stuff
[01:35] <mdke> is there a space on the official website which refers question to wiki entries?
[01:35] <froud> mostly workin in SVN on Docbook
[01:36] <froud> frankly I have no idea
[01:36] <froud> wiki is not for me
[01:36] <froud> :-)
[01:36] <mdke> np
[01:36] <froud> I can work with it but find it better to focus
[01:36] <mdke> i'll have a look
[01:36] <abelli> froud: don't worry mdke feels comfortable writing on wax tablets
[01:37] <froud> nice meeting you
[01:37] <froud> abelli: lol
[01:37] <abelli> mdke: are you in italy now?
[01:37] <mdke> nope
[01:37] <abelli> good
[01:37] <mdke> sunny london
[01:37] <froud> italy is a far away country
[01:37] <mdke> good? harsh
[01:37] <abelli> eheh
[01:37] <mdke> bbl
[01:37] <mdke> ciao cmq
[01:37] <abelli> mdke: ciao bello
[01:37] <froud> Com eto sunny South Africa dude
[01:38] <mdke> ciao belli
[01:38] <abelli> froud: will you host us?
[01:38] <abelli> :)
[01:38] <froud> no problem
[01:38] <froud> and if I cant maskie will
[01:39] <froud> and if he cant we will just hijack the tsf offices
[01:39] <abelli> ehe
[01:39] <abelli> where?
[01:39] <abelli> where's tsf located?
[01:39] <froud> Cape town
[01:40] <mdke> nice
[01:40] <mdke> bad luck on the cricket btw :p
[01:40] <froud> what cricket
[01:40] <mdke> well...
[01:40] <mdke> the english cricket
[01:41] <abelli> froud: yep, but is it in any particular building?
[01:41] <mdke> i'd like to visit SA
[01:41] <mdke> must be amazing
[01:42] <froud> bong drum
[01:43] <froud> did we play you
[01:43] <froud> who won
[01:43] <froud> you guys
[01:45] <abelli> the italian rugby team graze perfection
[01:47] <froud> yeah yeah
[01:49] <abelli> mdke: you're not in ubuntu-it, doh.
[01:52] <abelli> http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=195004&Template=GALERIE&Objet=32832
[01:58] <froud> Oh dudes, btw the yelp processing instruction is now enabled in Quick Guide
[01:58] <froud> I mention this because some may be wondering wtbh it wont validate
[01:59] <froud> if you nnneed to validate just comment the processing instruction
[02:02] <mdke> abelli, the italian rugby team is doing equally well as the english one
[02:08] <abelli> really?
[02:08] <Burgundavia> test
[03:36] <enrico> froud: ok, meeting.  What do we do?
[03:37] <enrico> Even if I schedule it on the last allowed hour (19:00-20:00), you'll be there for half of the hour only
[03:37] <enrico> OTOH, you're one of the most active people in the team
[03:37] <enrico> I'm stuck
[03:40] <mdke> enrico, giorno
[03:42] <enrico> mdke: ciao!
[03:42] <mdke> :)
[03:43] <mdke> i was gonna try and work on the Docbook/DocBook wiki integration
[03:43] <mdke> enrico, which to use as the final version?
[03:45] <enrico> mdke: sorry, I didn't undertsand the question
[03:45] <mdke> enrico, which address: wiki/Docbook or wiki/DocBook
[03:45] <enrico> Ah! :)  Sorry
[03:45] <mdke> my fault
[03:46] <enrico> Boo.  I didn't know we have 2 different pages
[03:46] <mdke> me neither
[03:46] <enrico> http://www.docbook.org/ says "DocBook"
[03:47] <mdke> DocBook is also the more developed wiki so that is easy
[03:48] <mdke> ok devo andare
[03:48] <mdke> a  piu tardi
[03:49] <enrico> mdke: ciao!
[03:55] <froud> enrico: dunno what to do. my bad
[03:56] <enrico> froud: not many people replied to me.  We can still reschedule, even if it's not funny.
[03:56] <Burgundavia> enrico: the tim eis good for me
[03:56] <enrico> But it's better to have a crowded rescheduled meeting than a meeting with two people
[03:57] <enrico> Burgundavia: ah, ok
[03:57] <Burgundavia> yes
[03:57] <Burgundavia> I just forgot to respond, sorry
[03:57] <enrico> the other problem is that, as Burgundavia shows, I don't know if people didn't answer because they can't come, or if they didn't because they could come at any time
[03:58] <Burgundavia> enrico: send another around saying rsvp or we reschedule
[03:58] <enrico> Burgundavia: good idea
[03:58] <froud> what about weekend
[03:59] <froud> sorry enrico I totally forgot that I have lectures
[03:59] <froud> but lectures come before FOSS
[03:59] <enrico> so far it's me, john levin, corey, jeff and sivang
[04:04] <enrico> Is there someone from the american west coast?
[04:04] <enrico> Burgundavia: you are not from Vancouver, aren't you? :)
[04:04] <Burgundavia> victoria
[04:04] <Burgundavia> across the water
[04:04] <enrico> timezone?
[04:05] <Burgundavia> NA PST
[04:05] <enrico> UTC+/- ?
[04:05] <Burgundavia> -8
[04:05] <enrico> argh
[04:05] <Burgundavia> currently I don't work, so I can be up at any time
[04:06] <enrico> I imagine you don't wake up at 6:00am
[04:06] <Burgundavia> well, I have been up all night?
[04:06] <Burgundavia> and it is 7am now
[04:06] <enrico> omg
[04:06] <Burgundavia> like I said, I currently don
[04:06] <Burgundavia> t work
[04:06] <enrico> I mean: 15:00UTC is 7:00 NA PST and 02:03 in Sidney
[04:07] <Burgundavia> works for me
[04:07] <Kinnison> have you slept at all yet??
[04:07] <Burgundavia> since we last talked, no
[04:07] <Kinnison> dude, that is not good for you
[04:07] <enrico> uhm... but 22:00UTC is quite nice for many
[04:07] <enrico> unless we start having russians in the team
[04:08] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: yes, I know
[04:11] <enrico> Burgundavia: I still haven't received the details for your svn account
[04:11] <Burgundavia> haven't sent them yet
[04:13] <Burgundavia> ah yes, I had flagged your previous email as todo, but had not done it yet
[04:13] <enrico> Burgundavia: no problem.  I think your best priority is to get some sleep
[04:13] <Burgundavia> I will email you later today
[04:16] <froud> enrico: I told you so, "Participation in FOSS projects leads to sleep deprevation."
[04:16] <enrico> ...and lots of fun!
[04:16] <froud> oh yes
[04:16] <froud> you added that
[04:16] <Burgundavia> sleep is good
[04:16] <froud> Hmm I think so
[04:16] <froud> but I must do lectures now, so I will love you and leave you for about 3 hours
[04:17] <froud> enrico: let us know via the list
[04:17] <froud> oh you already have
[04:17] <enrico> froud: :)
[04:17] <froud> no flies on you dude
[04:53] <mdke_laptop> anyone home who understands how the MoinMoin code of the wiki works?
[05:00] <enrico> mdke_laptop: what do you mean?
[05:13] <mdke_laptop> enrico, i need a doc which explains how to code the wiki using MoinMoin markup. I've basically understood headings, bullet points and numbered lists, but i need to figure out how to intent things
[05:16] <enrico> HelpOnEditing
[05:16] <enrico> wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnEditing
[05:16] <mdke_laptop> thanks
[05:16] <enrico> there are various other HelpOn* pages
[05:17] <mdke_laptop> enrico, great ty
[07:51] <sivang> mako: ping
[07:52] <mako> sivang: hola
[08:10] <sivang> mako: hola mako, still in spain? :)
[08:19] <mako> sivang: no.. but i might be in columbia this time next week
[08:20] <mako> where, unlike new york where i am now, there is probably not a snow storm
[08:27] <sivang> mako: oh :) probably. what are you going to do there?
[08:30] <mako> talking about why ubuntu rocks
[08:30] <mako> rocking about ubuntu even :)
[08:32] <sivang> mako: good for yoou, travelling all over the world for this ...
[10:23] <abelli> mako: ping
[10:25] <mako> abelli: hey dude
[10:25] <abelli> mako: ciao
[10:26] <mako> whats up
[10:26] <abelli> mako: i don't think you need me on that meeting
[10:26] <abelli> mako: mmm things are much better now
[10:26] <abelli> mako: just wanted to let you know i won't be there.
[12:00] <mdke> evenin


[02:00] <bonny> i just upgraded from lubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 and when i looked in accessories i couldnt find file manager :( im so worried
[02:30] <bonny>  i just upgraded from lubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 and when i looked in accessories i couldnt find file manager :( im so worried
[02:30] <bonny>  i just upgraded from lubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 and when i looked in accessories i couldnt find file manager :( im so worried  i just upgraded from lubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 and when i looked in accessories i couldnt find file manager :( im so worried  i just upgraded from lubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 and when i looked in accessories i couldnt find file manager :( im so worried  i just upgraded from lubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 and when i looked in accessories i couldnt find
[02:30] <bonny> file manager :( im so worried  i just upgraded from lubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 and when i looked in accessories i couldnt find file manager :( im so worried  i just upgraded from lubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 and when i looked in accessories i couldnt find file manager :( im so worried  i just upgraded from lubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 and when i looked in accessories i couldnt find file manager :( im so worried  i just upgraded from lubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 and when i looked
[02:30] <bonny> in accessories i couldnt find file manager :( im so worried
[02:34] <bioterror> :D
[02:34] <bioterror> that's how you do it
[02:34] <Unit193> Yep, the best way!
[02:34] <juanantonio> Hello
[02:35] <juanantonio> Bioterror, just one question, was 10.10 or 10.04 a LTS?
[02:35] <bioterror> 10.04
[02:35] <bioterror> "LTS" ;)
[02:35] <bioterror> it has support for the i586
[02:35] <juanantonio> Ok ;)
[02:35] <bioterror> gilir & co has promised to support 10.04 as an LTS release becouse of i586
[02:36] <juanantonio> I heard that as 10.04 was not going to be endorsed by Canonical, the firts LTS would be supposed to be 10.10
[02:36] <bioterror> hmmmm
[02:36] <bioterror> we'll see what happens with 11.10
[02:36] <bioterror> expectations are high! ;D
[02:37] <juanantonio> What's supposed to happen?
[02:37] <bioterror> I hope it will be good enough for the official *buntu release
[02:38] <juanantonio> Ah yeah, I know what you mean
[02:38] <juanantonio> I have 10.10 in a 800 Mhz PC and am really happy
[02:42] <juanantonio> so what are the expectations?
[02:42] <juanantonio> Will it be faster and lighter?
[02:43] <bioterror> i dunno atm. :)
[02:43] <bioterror> wife is running 10.10
[02:43] <bioterror> but apps should be even more lighter
[02:43] <juanantonio> Uhuh
[02:44] <juanantonio> little by little
[02:45] <juanantonio> I can tell that Twitter clients are not so light yet
[02:46] <bioterror> I've never used twitter
[02:46] <juanantonio> and I have Hotot, very light in 64 bits, but not in 32
[02:48] <Unit193> Do you count creepy as a Twitter client? ;)
[02:54] <juanantonio> Creepy? I do not know it
[02:54] <juanantonio> Is it in the repos?
[02:56] <Unit193> No
[02:56] <Unit193> https://github.com/ilektrojohn/creepy
[03:01] <juanantonio> Maybe I will have a look. Is it extra light?
[03:01] <Unit193> I said it as a joke
[03:02] <juanantonio> Ah, ok
[03:02] <juanantonio> Damm, I have a little problem with amule daemon and server in my net
[03:02] <Unit193> Did you look at it?
[03:05] <juanantonio> Hehehe
[03:05] <juanantonio> I did
[03:05] <juanantonio> it is to locate you
[03:05] <juanantonio> but I am not at all interested in this
[03:05] <juanantonio> Can you give me a hand? (Or at least, rent it)
[03:06] <Unit193> In what?
[03:08] <juanantonio> So, i have set up amule daemon and amule web so that I can log into amule from any Internet connection, including my Android phone
[03:08] <juanantonio> everything was allright but from some days on, I cannot find out my public IP, and now that I have found it, I cannot log into amule
[03:08] <juanantonio> Any idea?
[03:10] <Unit193> Goto http://www.whatismyip.com/ (Make sure you have the correct IP)
[03:10] <Unit193> Type the port into: http://www.canyouseeme.org (Does amule have logs?)
[03:10] <juanantonio> So I am paying attention to you, but i have found out in spanish yet
[03:11] <Unit193> Eh?
[03:13] <juanantonio> I tell you that I have done as you said, and in spanish web also
[03:13] <juanantonio> I have this problematic IP
[03:13] <juanantonio> and i cannot log in
[03:13] <juanantonio> but from amule GUI and localhost certainly I can
[03:17] <juanantonio> I don't know what to do
[03:20] <Unit193> I would check to see if the port is open and pointed at your computer from the router (I don't use amule, so after that I don't know)
[03:22] <juanantonio> Uhuh, I was thinking so, mainly when I have found out that localhost: port is still working
[03:44] <juanantonio> I can'tsee anything, tomorrow I will give another try, the mistake can't be so far :P
[03:45] <juanantonio> Bye
[22:12] <bonny> can i change the log in screen background
[22:15] <wizonesolutions> I'm hitting "An error occurred while saving the config file '/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml'" - am I supposed to create a top-level /openbox directory? Really?
[22:16] <plainas> hey all
[22:17] <plainas> does lubuntu livecd comes with gparted?
[22:17] <wizonesolutions> plainas: Nope, doesn't appear so.
[22:17] <MrChrisDruif> No, not that I know off plainas
[22:18] <wizonesolutions> But if you're just looking for a light system repair Linux look at SystemRescueCD
[22:18] <plainas> what about ubuntu? if i recall correctly it included gparted right?
[22:19] <plainas> i really just need to repartition my hd so i can install windows xp
[22:19] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, but plainas: Lubuntu comes with an other tool to edit partitions :)
[22:19] <plainas> MrChrisDruif, which one?
[22:20] <bonny> hey mrchrisdruif can i change lubuntu login background
[22:20] <wizonesolutions> Oh, I see...I'm remoted in with NX...and it seems an environment variable or something isn't set that OpenBox expects...so it's writing to (missing variable)/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml but it should be /home/myuser/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[22:20] <MrChrisDruif> I can't recall how it's called plainas, but I believe it is tucked away in System
[22:20] <MrChrisDruif> bonny: I'm no expert on that, sorry :)
[22:20] <wizonesolutions> wheeeeew how do I fix this. Maybe I'll just create /openbox lol...
[22:21] <bonny> ok
[22:21] <wizonesolutions> bonny: Go to settings and openbox configuration manager. It's probably in there
[22:21] <MrChrisDruif> wizonesolutions: I was going to say it, but was busy :D
[22:21] <bonny> ok
[22:21] <wizonesolutions> MrChrisDruif: about the env variable?
[22:21] <plainas> MrChrisDruif, but is it a GUI app or a command line tool?
[22:22] <MrChrisDruif> wizonesolutions: env. variable?
[22:22] <MrChrisDruif> plainas: GUI
[22:22] <wizonesolutions> MrChrisDruif: environment variable, what you see when you type env
[22:23] <MrChrisDruif> wizonesolutions: I don't know what you mean :0/
[22:23] <MrChrisDruif> :-/
[22:23] <wizonesolutions> MrChrisDruif: Oh, command-line-ish stuff I guess
[22:24] <MrChrisDruif> wizonesolutions: But you mean that /home/myuser/ stuff?
[22:26] <wizonesolutions> MrChrisDruif: Yeah, the config file is supposed to be in let's say /home/wizonesolutions/.config/openbox etc.
[22:27] <MrChrisDruif> But /home/someuser/ can be switched with ~/
[22:27] <wizonesolutions> It probably is looking at something to figure out where .config is, something that isn't set on the NX session
[22:27] <wizonesolutions> No, but I didn't write the program...I don't know what it  is looking for
[22:27] <wizonesolutions> It's the Openbox Window Manager that Lubuntu comes with :)
[22:27] <wizonesolutions> When I try to increase the number of desktops
[22:27] <wizonesolutions> I get this error
[22:28] <wizonesolutions> It works, but then it forgets again when I restart the session
[22:30] <wizonesolutions> oh...OB has a kludgy relationship with LXDE...well that kinda explains it...
[22:30] <wizonesolutions> looks like manual editing of the config file is the way to go...
[22:31] <wizonesolutions> I'll link the forum I found once I finish switching my network to cable, lol. My copy-paste across computers won't work till then
[22:31] <MrChrisDruif> Pidgin forgets my browser setting in Lubuntu <_<"
[22:31] <wizonesolutions> :(
[22:32] <MrChrisDruif> wizonesolutions: LXDE wants it own WM, but until that time they used OpenBox
[22:32] <wizonesolutions> MrChrisDruif: Ah, I see. So it's probably temporary?
[22:33] <MrChrisDruif> wizonesolutions: More long-term :P
[22:33] <MrChrisDruif> I've talked to one of the LXDE devs once; no-one is working on it :P
[22:33] <wizonesolutions> MrChrisDruif: Oh...a "temporary workaround" huh...those are deadly
[22:34] <MrChrisDruif> wizonesolutions: Well, it's more permanently...
[22:34] <MrChrisDruif> Not really TW
[22:35] <wizonesolutions> :/
[22:35] <wizonesolutions> ah well, hopefully it gets integrated better at least
[22:44] <slackmeister> any new stuff in lubuntu 11.04?
[22:48] <MrChrisDruif> Yes ;)
[22:48] <MrChrisDruif> slackmeister: You can read (a bit) about it on wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[22:49] <slackmeister> spanx
[22:52] <MrChrisDruif> slackmeister: this announcement mail sums it up pretty well: https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03691.html
[22:53] <slackmeister> i like that java is supported by default
[22:53] <MrChrisDruif> :D
[22:54] <slackmeister> is there a new version of LXDE?
[22:59] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know?
[23:01] <slackmeister> :P
[23:03] <wizonesolutions> Maybe I'm dumb, but where are teh network settings?
[23:03] <wizonesolutions> the*
[23:03] <wizonesolutions> I know there was a little icon in the bottom right when I had my monitor directly connected, but in a separate session it's not there.
[23:05]  * MrChrisDruif is not on Lubuntu atm, so I can't check
[23:05] <MrChrisDruif> But I'm going offline....have a good one everyone...Aloha!
[23:05] <wizonesolutions> aloha
[23:06] <wizonesolutions> Didn't even need it in the end. Just removed the DNS servers that were in resolv.conf and I'm on. Yay.
[23:15] <bonny> how do i make the black box around a dock go away?


[03:02] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:06] <ducasse> good morning
[07:07] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[21:26] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 667 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue667 :D


[00:38] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: yeah, I plan to do some sponsorship
[00:39] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: I'm glad for hearing this
[00:40] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: hard to know until one gets there, though
[07:23] <dholbach> good morning
[07:25] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[07:27] <dholbach> hiya iulian
[08:30] <jdong> imbrandon: Yeah my buddies and I were talking about it at work too! Congrats on the publicity!
[11:05] <bilalakhtar> Hey there, I need immediate help. Please see comment 4 of bug #595450
[11:05] <bilalakhtar> Do I need to do what is said in point 1?
[11:06] <bilalakhtar> I don't think so
[11:07] <slytherin> bilalakhtar: What command did you use to build source package?
[11:08] <bilalakhtar> slytherin: I used grab-merge
[11:08] <bilalakhtar> slytherin: for building, I used debuild
[11:08] <slytherin> bilalakhtar: yes, tell me exact debuild command you used.
[11:08] <bilalakhtar> slytherin: debuild -S -sa
[11:10] <bilalakhtar> slytherin: why should one care about that?
[11:11] <slytherin> bilalakhtar: I now got what the reviewer meant. You need to add details of the Ubuntu changes being retained in debian/changelog. Just saying 'merge form debian' is not sufficient.
[11:12] <bilalakhtar> slytherin: So isn't that mentioned in earlier entries?
[11:12] <bilalakhtar> It is, right?
[11:13] <bilalakhtar> I have done no change. I have reverted standards-version now as well. I am uploading the new debdiff
[11:13] <slytherin> bilalakhtar: You need to carryover that in latest changelog entry.
[11:13] <bilalakhtar> slytherin: but... See bug #595398
[11:13] <bilalakhtar> slytherin: and no one, AFAIK, does that
[11:14] <geser> bilalakhtar: one should be able to know what changes are left by reading only your merge changelog entry (without the need to look at the previous ones)
[11:14] <bilalakhtar> geser: you see http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50498114/debian-ubuntu.debdiff
[11:15] <bilalakhtar> this is realted to bug #595566
[11:19] <slytherin> bilalakhtar: The usual practice is to include the changes in latest entry. It might have been missed in some merges but that is not a norm.
[11:20] <bilalakhtar> slytherin: See, after the mom has done its work, it says
[11:20] <bilalakhtar> Merge from debian (). Remaining changes:
[11:21] <bilalakhtar> - SUMMARIZE HERE
[11:21] <bilalakhtar> remaining word is there
[11:21] <slytherin> bilalakhtar: Right. But you didn't summarize the changes in your changelog.
[11:21] <bilalakhtar> slytherin: REMAINING changes
[11:21] <bilalakhtar> slytherin: chanhges apart from merge
[11:22] <slytherin> bilalakhtar: Which means the ubuntu specific changes that are still relevant and hence carried over. You have to specify them.
[11:22] <bilalakhtar> slytherin: MERGE
[11:25] <bilalakhtar> slytherin: ok, I am doing that change as well.
[11:31] <bilalakhtar> ok?
[14:33] <dobey> cjwatson: hey. sorry. i am an idiot. i just uploaded a fixed ubuntuone-client to lucid-proposed though. :)
[14:52] <cjwatson> dobey: ok
[15:07] <ari-tczew> is DebianImport working?
[15:29] <fabrice_sp> !away > nobawk|away
[15:34] <dobey> fabrice_sp: hi
[15:35] <dobey> fabrice_sp: i uploaded a new mocker package to revu to make the description longer, and changed it to just use pysupport
[15:38] <fabrice_sp> dobey, ok. I'll have a look in a few minutes (I'm sponsoring debdiff right now)
[15:38] <dobey> fabrice_sp: great, thanks :)
[15:39] <fabrice_sp> by the way, revu is not like the archive: you don't have (and shouldn't) increase the version number at each upload:-)
[15:39] <fabrice_sp> dobey, ^
[15:41] <dobey> fabrice_sp: right. oh i guess it did, because dch -i does it automatically
[15:41] <dobey> :-/
[15:41] <fabrice_sp> don't worry: it's not a big deal
[15:41] <dobey> yeah i know
[15:43] <fabrice_sp> also no history: only one changelog entry
[15:43] <fabrice_sp> (so dch only, without -i ;-) )
[15:44] <dobey> yeah
[15:54] <fabrice_sp> dobey, no get-orig-source?
[15:56] <dobey> fabrice_sp: no. i thought we agreed on the compromise that uscan would fail now, given that it's a snapshot release, and there will be future tarball releases soon (which will make uscan work again)
[15:57] <fabrice_sp> for future, yes, but I really would like to have a way to generate the actual tarball by my own ;-)
[15:58] <fabrice_sp> it's really the only thing I can find, anyway, so i'll advocate it (I won't be the one that will upload it anyway)
[15:59]  * dobey wonders how that argument fits with gnome-keyring :)
[16:00] <fabrice_sp> ?
[16:02] <fabrice_sp> sorry, I don't understand your point
[16:12] <EricBa> Hello, is there a motu who has some time to review my package? It's already reviewed by one motu. My programm is a wallpaper changer for gnome. - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/cortina
[16:15] <EricBa> It was already advocated by one reviewer.. so this won't take much time to review.
[16:24] <dobey> fabrice_sp: oh sorry. uscan is currently failing in gnome-keyring because the versioning is all messed up for some reason, and it was shipping snapshots from git for a period during the lucid cycle
[18:40] <ripps> FFMpeg is being held back by a bunch of packages, is this being worked on?
[18:41] <ari-tczew> hmmm... what-patch script seems to be broken
[18:43] <NorthernLights> Hi there
[19:01] <arand> ari-tczew: In what way? (Works on 10.10 here)
[19:01] <ari-tczew> arand: maverick
[19:02] <NorthernLights> I've got 2 packages on REVU. They are killrogues and synergy-plus. Could someone check them? I'm eager to get them in the repos.
[19:02] <NorthernLights> (especially synergy-plus)
[19:04] <arand> ari-tczew: My vm is on v0.99 here and is seems to work fine, fails in which way?
[19:05] <ari-tczew> arand: use in console: what-patch
[19:05] <ari-tczew> heh
[19:07] <ari-tczew> arand: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/4HyhnMjb
[19:09] <arand> ari-tczew: A package using cdbs?
[19:09] <ari-tczew> arand: seems such as cdbs
[19:09] <ari-tczew> very lack in debian/rules :/
[19:10] <arand> ari-tczew: ~$ apt-file search /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/pear.mk -> dh-make-php: /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/pear.mk
[19:10] <ari-tczew> arand: have I to B-D on dh-make-php ?
[19:11] <arand> Why what-patch would need I don't really know though... Is that part of a possible patching scheme?
[19:12] <arand> Well, just installing it might do. I would assume this issue is isolated to this one weird package source though, if someone uses a standard patching scheme, it *should* work
[19:13] <arand> ari-tczew: The rather unhelpful error message there might very well be considered a bug in what-patch though... (ubuntu-dev-tools is the one to report against, I guess)
[19:14] <ari-tczew> arand: I'm preparing a security fix and package current now is FTBFS. first step I have to fix FTBFS
[19:16] <arand> Which one?
[19:17] <ari-tczew> arand: php-htmlpurifier
[19:17] <ari-tczew> arand: install dh-make-php fixes the warnings in what-patch. I see that package is just B-D on dh-make-php, so I need to continue investigating...
[19:18] <arand> Hmm, when I run what-patch on that I just get "patchless?"
[19:18] <arand> And I do know that I do not have the file it complains about for you
[19:19] <ari-tczew> arand: which file?
[19:19] <ari-tczew> pear.mk?
[19:19] <ari-tczew> possibly you've got installed dh-make-php
[19:19] <arand> Yup
[19:19] <arand> No I have not
[19:20] <ari-tczew> heh, interesting
[19:20] <ari-tczew> arand: ok, could you help me fix FTBFS?
[19:20] <arand> Well I could try, be warned I'm just a happy amateur .
[19:22] <arand> ari-tczew: It did build fine in my pbuilder... Is this arch-specific? Got a bug report?
[19:22] <ari-tczew> arand: I forgotten talk you: I'm working on php-htmlpurifier from karmic
[19:23] <arand> Ah, Karmic, I though it was Maverick ^_^
[19:23] <ari-tczew> arand: I'm working on maverick, but I'm going to patch php-htmlpurifier from karmic
[19:24] <arand> ari-tczew: So the ftbfs is on karmic? It does build for you on maverick?
[19:24] <ari-tczew> arand: I use: sudo pbuilder-dist karmic *.dsc
[19:30] <arand> ari-tczew: I Got some pbuilder setup to do..
[19:31] <ari-tczew> arand: sudo pbuilder-dist karmic create
[19:32] <arand> ari-tczew: Nah, I just fired up my karmic vm, but still need to add universe support etc.
[19:33] <arand> *to the pbuilder I had setup there already..
[19:35] <arand> ari-tczew: Hmm, so it tries to download something in the install process..?
[19:35] <ari-tczew> arand: maybe
[19:35] <arand> Err, the build process, rather..
[19:37] <kklimonda> but it built succesfully on lp before - can you paste the log somewhere?
[19:39] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-htmlpurifier/3.3.0-1/+build/1035152
[19:40] <arand> http://pastebin.org/339482 Is the relevant bit.
[19:40] <kklimonda> hmm..
[19:41] <ari-tczew> have got the same error
[19:42] <kklimonda> /build/buildd/php5-5.2.10.dfsg.1/pear-build-download - it looks like something leaked from the build done on the ubuntu buildd and now it's breaking this build..
[19:43] <ari-tczew> dunno, I'm upset
[19:43] <kklimonda> bug 513765 and debian bug 546164 seem to be related
[19:43] <ari-tczew> security fix done, and at the end FTBFS
[19:43] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: that's why fixing FTBFS is just as important as doing SRU and security work :)
[19:45] <arand> Hehe, if you do run the build with sudo, it works >_<
[19:45] <arand> "sudo debuild -b" that is :/
[19:45] <kklimonda> arand: it probably creates /build/buildd/ itself?
[19:46] <Laney> that's an rcbug in Debian
[19:46] <Laney> haven't read the context, fyi
[19:48] <ari-tczew> huh, lucid is build fine
[19:49] <arand> Yup, it created /build on my machine.
[19:49] <kklimonda> arand: it got fixed (or rather worked around) in 5.2.11.dsfg.1-1
[19:49] <kklimonda> eh
[19:49] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: ^
[19:50] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: php-pear?
[19:50] <kklimonda> yes (it's part of the php5 source package)
[19:50] <arand> So, that patch needs to go in first I guess ...
[19:51] <ari-tczew> arand: first we need to dig the patch
[19:52] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: where did you see that it;s fixed in 5.2.11.dsfg.1-1?
[19:53] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546164#44
[19:54] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: 44 comment says "Nah, it was not fixed."
[19:55] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: "It stopped being an RC issue because the tmpdir path is
[19:55] <kklimonda> now set to something under /tmp, which an unprivileged user can create."
[19:56] <kklimonda> which is why I've called it a work-around
[19:56] <ari-tczew> heh, but where is the patch?
[19:56] <ari-tczew> maybe it's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546164#15
[19:57] <kklimonda> nope, it doesn't seem to be this one (see the following comment)
[19:58] <kklimonda> you'll probably have to do a debdiff between our version and 5.2.11.dsfg.1-1 and look for /tmp - maybe it's something obvious
[19:58] <ari-tczew> f**king ftbfs...
[19:59] <kklimonda> funny thing is it probably builds just fine in ppa and official builders because they use /build/buildd/ path..
[20:00] <arand> I've been scanning the debian changelog, seems to be no mention there :(
[20:02] <ari-tczew> +1 ^^
[20:06] <ari-tczew> dunno, feel free to investigating the issue. today is friday, going out. have a nice weekend!
[20:19] <philsf> hi, I'm trying to recompile evolution, to test a new patch from upstream, but the patches are not being included. I'm just using 'dpkg-buildpackage' from the source tree, should I be using another program, or some specific parameters instead?
[20:19] <philsf> I don't see any mention to patches in the man
[20:24] <arand> philsf: run "what-patch" in the source dir.
[20:24] <arand> Should tell you which patch system is used
[20:24] <philsf> arand, I'm getting this from dpkg-buildpackage:  Trying patch debian/patches/94_trash_folder_eds.patch at level 1 ... 0 ... 2 ... failure.
[20:25] <philsf> (which is the name I chose for the upstream patch)
[20:26] <arand> Ah, right then it finds it, but fails to apply it, then I tend to try patching manually and see which bits break..
[20:26] <arand> SO which patch system does it use?
[20:26] <philsf> cdbs
[20:27] <philsf> it's probably made for a newer version that what's in lucid
[20:28] <arand> Then it should be a simple matter of "cdbs-edit-patch 94_trash_folder_eds.patch" And then you 'll get a temporary patch editing directory.
[20:29] <arand> Try to "patch p# < ~/yourpatch.patch" in there, which should result in rejects which you'll need to look at and resolve.
[20:30] <arand> ( -p# matching your specific patch)
[20:30] <philsf> arand, it already tried the patch in there, but the rejects seem to be the same as the diff itself
[20:31] <philsf> also, all chunks failed :/ how am I supposed to know what are the correct lines?
[20:31] <arand> philsf: Then start looking at the diff and the file it wants to patch, and figure out why it fails.
[20:32] <philsf> hmm, upstream says it's commited to 2.31.4+, lucid evolution is 2.28*
[20:32] <philsf> starting to look like a lot of effort for newbie me
[20:32] <arand> Is the context in the diff correct, does it try to add on top of things that don't exist in the old version, etc...?
[20:34] <arand> Solving a diff conflict could be everything from a walk in the park to impossible, since the things it changes aren't there in the first place and you'd need to add several patches in series to get it all working nicely...
[20:34] <arand> Or, it's simply a missplaced whitespace :)
[20:36] <philsf> oh boy
[20:36] <philsf> oh, nevermind
[20:36]  * philsf blushes
[20:36]  * philsf was trying the e-d-s patch to the evo tree
[21:31] <ripps> A couple packages (vlc, picard, gstreamer-ffmpeg, transcode) are holding back the ffmpeg upgrade. Do the packages just need to be rebuilt? or is it more complicated than that?
[21:31] <ripps> In Maverick
[21:32] <micahg> ripps: probably depends if the package itself needs adjustment for the new version of ffmpeg
[21:33] <ripps> Is there anyway I can help?
[21:33] <ripps> I can test builds in pbuilder if it will help
[21:34]  * micahg would think local rebuilds and testing would help
[21:35] <micahg> along with bugs filed with comments about what was done for the rebuilds (I know vlc already has a bug filed)
[21:35] <ripps> I need to push a rebuild of mpd in mpd-trunk. That's also holding it back
[21:43] <ripps> Hmm... it seems all the ffmpeg-0.6 packages aren't out yet. libavcodec-dev is still the svn snapshot from may
[21:45] <ripps> actually, the more I look at it, it seems that only ffmpeg-extra is out. I wonder what's holding ffmpeg
[21:47] <ripps> hmm... couldn't find libvpx... but it looks like it's in the repos.
[21:47] <micahg> ripps: libvpx-dev is holding it back
[21:47] <micahg> ripps: libvpx needs an MIR
[21:48]  * micahg should look harder next time :)
[21:48] <ripps> MIR?
[21:48] <micahg> !mir | ripps
[21:48] <ripps> ah
[21:48] <ripps> So we're waiting on Canonical?
[21:48] <micahg> ripps: no, anyone can file it
[21:49] <micahg> ripps: I don't see one filed against the package
[21:50]  * micahg looks harder for one
[21:50] <micahg> ripps: you can file the MIR if you wish
[21:53] <ripps> micahg: it's in the component-mismatch list
[21:54] <micahg> ripps: the package?
[21:54] <ripps> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt
[21:54] <ripps> It seems it's automatically added when a main package fails to build from a missing dependency
[21:55] <ripps> I suppose a MIR bug report might get people to hussle though
[21:55] <micahg> ripps: ah, ok, but I think an MIR is still needed
[22:01] <ripps> micahg: there, bug filed. let's hope it gets fixed soon
[22:04] <micahg> ripps: did you actually go through the checklist?
[22:05] <ripps> yeah, ubuntu-mir is subscribed to it
[22:06] <micahg> ripps: I meant this checklist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements
[22:07] <ripps> micahg: yeah, libvpx looks like it would be fine...
[22:10] <ripps> I know the copyright in libvpx is complicated, but from what I've read, the latest revision of it from google should be gpl compatible
[22:11] <ripps> meaning it should be able to be packaged in debian and debian-based distros
[22:25] <ripps> Can someone who has an amd64 cpu pleas file an MIR for ia32-libs. It's dependency blocking libvdpau in maverick, which in turn is screwing with a bunch of media packages, like mplayer, from building correctly.
[22:30] <shadeslayer> ripps: what does ia32-libs have to do with a amd64 CPU and bug filing?
[22:30] <geser> it's pretty unlikely that ia32-libs gets moved to main
[22:31] <ripps> geser: okay, than a better question is why does libvdpau require it?
[22:31] <shadeslayer> well that too.. but what does it have to do with a amd64 cpu ? :P
[22:32] <geser> ripps: don't know, didn't look at the packaging
[22:33] <ripps> I have packages in one one of my ppa's failing because it can't pull the libvdpau dependency, because it ftbfs for amd64. Apparently because ia32-libs wasn't in main with it.
[22:34] <shadeslayer> ripps: for maverick libvdpau1 is built... i just installed it
[22:35] <ripps> shadeslayer: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvdpau/0.4-5/+build/1790677
[22:35] <shadeslayer> hmm.. i have 0.4-3
[22:35] <ripps> yeah, that's the problem, it should be 0.4-5
[22:36] <ripps> The package pulls the -dev for 0.4-5, but finds only 0.4-3 and fails
[22:36] <shadeslayer> that means who ever packaged the vdpau library and/or filed a MIR for vdpau ignored the fact that ia32-libs was not in main...
[22:37] <geser> ripps: check how the package has changed between the version in lucid and maverick and if it can be undone
[22:37] <shadeslayer> geser: its a sync :P
[22:38] <shadeslayer> ripps: try #ubuntu-x too
[22:38] <geser> I see that Ubuntu-X is the bug contact for it, perhaps also ask in #ubuntu-x for input how to resolve this
[22:38] <shadeslayer> geser: slow :P
[22:39] <shadeslayer> ripps: is ia32-libs in debian main?
[22:39] <geser> yes, but better don't look at the packaging
[22:40] <shadeslayer> geser: hehe :)
[22:40] <shadeslayer> geser: ok well theres the problem
[22:40] <ripps> shadeslayer: well, it seems libvdpau changed alot since lucid. It used to depend on nvidia driver packages, now it's more independent
[22:40] <ripps> Also, ia32-libs is in amd64/ia64 on debian stable/unstable/testing
[22:40] <shadeslayer> geser: libvdpau is packaged for debian amd64 keeping in mind that ia32-libs is in main...
[22:41] <shadeslayer> ripps: http://packages.debian.org/sid/ia32-libs
[22:41] <geser> Debian main = Ubuntu main + Ubuntu universe
[22:41] <shadeslayer> geser: yep...
[22:41] <ripps> kinda complicated
[22:41] <shadeslayer> geser: but ia32-libs is in universe in ubuntu :P
[22:41] <shadeslayer> the sync should have been a merge :D
[22:42] <shadeslayer> but then it wouldnt compile without ia32-libs....
[22:42] <shadeslayer> geser: would it?
[22:42] <ripps> is ia32-libs only needed for ia64?
[22:43] <shadeslayer> ripps: just amd64
[22:43] <shadeslayer> ripps: see the build deps.. its written ia32-libs [amd64]
[22:44] <ripps> so... can ia32-libs be flagged for MIR?
[22:44] <ScottK> No
[22:44] <shadeslayer> ripps: it can,but like geser said... it wont get into main
[22:44] <ripps> so, how to fix libvdpau?
[22:45] <geser> unless the packaging of ia32-libs changed, it repackages the i386 debs for amd64, which isn't very liked by the security team
[22:45] <shadeslayer> no idea here... might want to try to build without ia32-libs,but im not sure that it will compile
[22:48] <ripps> Someone with a amd64 cpu should check whether ia32-libs can be worked around.
[22:48] <shadeslayer> ripps: sure thing ...
[22:49] <ripps> :0
[22:49] <ripps> :)
[22:55] <shadeslayer> ripps: its getting the deps...
[22:56] <shadeslayer> maybe i should disable universe...
[22:56] <ripps> lol
[22:56] <shadeslayer> ripps: :P
[23:17] <shadeslayer> ripps: build started
[23:18] <shadeslayer> bah.. fails after 2 secs
[23:24] <BlackZ> shadeslayer: what's the error?
[23:24] <shadeslayer> BlackZ: http://pastebin.com/tALj4g76
[23:25] <shadeslayer> BlackZ: come into #ubuntu-x
[23:26] <BlackZ> shadeslayer: why? what's going there?
[23:26] <shadeslayer> BlackZ: discussing the error with Sarvatt
[23:27] <shadeslayer> BlackZ: basically libvdpau has a dep on ia32-libs which is in universe
[23:27] <shadeslayer> which cannot be satisfied...


[00:24] <jancoow> Hi. Is it possible to port only 1 application over a vpn, but the rest of the connections (apache, normal ethernet) just trough the normal connection ?
[00:25] <bekks> Most likely not, no.
[00:25] <mybalzitch> https://schnouki.net/posts/2014/12/12/openvpn-for-a-single-application-on-linux/
[00:27] <bekks> mybalzitch: And which application is using that vpn?
[00:28] <mybalzitch> popcorntime in this case
[00:35] <jancoow> i want to do it with transmission
[00:36] <jancoow> but naice, it's possible
[00:36] <jancoow> do i need a extra nic for this ?
[00:40] <halvors1> I have some problems with IPv6. Even when a gateway is set in /etc/network/interfaces ubuntu does not add it to the routing table. Why is that?
[00:44] <mybalzitch> halvors1: what does your interfaces file look like
[00:44] <mybalzitch> also, why not just use dhcp6
[00:45] <bearface> mybalzitch: you're everywhere!
[00:45] <mybalzitch> bearface: :(
[00:48] <qwebirc88531> Hi, I just connected a SAS hard-disk to my server machine, and i'm getting the following message in dmesg:  "Unsupported sector size 520."   What does this mean, and how to do I fix it so that I can use check the disk using badblocks (and then mke2fs to create FS) because right now badblocks is giving me the error message: "invalid starting block" "must be less than 0", which I suspect has to do with the former "Unsupporte
[00:51] <mybalzitch> qwebirc88531: 2 seconds of googling your error message gives me http://pissedoffadmins.com/general/unsupported-sector-size-520.html
[00:52] <qwebirc88531> mybalzitch:  I read that already.   I do not want to ruin a disk before understanding what exactly thosese commands do
[00:53] <qwebirc88531> is 520 a standard sector size for SAS disks and if so, why does the linux kernel not support it?
[00:53] <mybalzitch> no 520 is not a standard sector size.
[00:54] <qwebirc88531> these are seagate constellation disks.  if that a standard sector size for seagate constellation disks then?
[00:54] <mybalzitch> none that I've ever seen
[00:55] <qwebirc88531> i'm trying to understand how the sector size of 520 was set to begin with.  these are used disks I bought off of ebay
[00:55] <mybalzitch> they may have been used in some proprietary raid enclosure that decided 520 byte sectors is the way to go
[01:02] <qwebirc88531> now that you mention that, could it be the case that my SAS controller (hardware/firmware) on my server machine only supports sector size of 520, and how could I verify this...
[01:03] <mybalzitch> what kind of sas controller are you using
[01:03] <mybalzitch> also, I've never heard of a sas controller reporting drives as being 520 bytes.
[01:03] <mybalzitch> but what I don't know could fill a book
[01:03] <mybalzitch> or three
[01:03] <qwebirc88531> whatever comes presinstalled by default on my Lenovo ThinkServer, model# 70B5001TUX .  It has 4 SAS ports on the card.
[01:04] <mybalzitch> lspci|pastebinit
[01:04] <qwebirc88531> and I have only connected 1 SAS disk to this controller (other 3 ports are unconnected).
[01:05] <qwebirc88531> that server machine does not  have network access, so i would be able to do lspci, but not paste anywehre...
[01:05] <mybalzitch> ahhh
[01:06] <mybalzitch> but think about it logically for a second
[01:07] <mybalzitch> *everything* expects 512/4k sector sizes, and it's been this way since the age of modern hard drives. Why would they put out a sas card that only identifies drives as having 520 byte sectors, which breaks compatability with everything
[01:08] <qwebirc88531> right, that makes sense... but then again, keep in mind I'm a complete NOOB to this - this is my first ever SAS disk, and even SCSI is new to me, i've only deal with SATA thus far...
[01:09] <mybalzitch> quoting some random internet post: I read online the reason that these drive are formatted that way is due to some proprietary software that these vendor uses needs the additional sector size for some fancy parity stuff.
[01:10] <qwebirc88531> the previous owner/seller seems to have used SeaTools (SeaGate proprietery disk checking software) to check these disks, and AFAIK used these disks under Windows...
[01:11] <mybalzitch> nope
[01:13] <qwebirc88531> nope... ?
[01:13] <mybalzitch> they weren't used under windows, not with 520 byte sector sizes
[01:15] <qwebirc88531> AFAIK, SeaTools only works under Windows, or maybe it was a BIOS/speacial-OS utility
[01:17] <qwebirc88531> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaTools
[01:20] <qwebirc88531> Now, to the issue of making the disk usuable:  http://pissedoffadmins.com/general/unsupported-sector-size-520.html  says I have to download 'setblocksize'    ,    but https://bjartolini.wordpress.com/2014/11/06/108/  says I have to just run:  sg_format –format –size=512 /dev/sd...
[01:22] <qwebirc88531> again, i do not want to ruin these disks by running some command that makes them permanently inacessible (if that is even possible), and so is running:  "sg_format –format –size=512 /dev/sd..."  safe to do? (I'll be replacing "..." with the drive letter).
[01:32] <Razva> guys I *really* need an advice with this one. check this out: http://screencast.com/t/cu6FhNFpiCf < what is ks? the source (cd/dvd) or the target?
[01:34] <mybalzitch> qwebirc88531: do it via sg_format and it's not like the disk works for you currently, so it's not going to get any worse.
[01:40] <halvors1> mybalzitch: It doesn't work with DHCPv6 either.
[01:41] <halvors1> mybalzitch: I don't know why it's not working. I've tried with dhcp as well.
[01:43] <qwebirc88531> interesting that the sg_format manual actually shows examples of using with a block s
[01:43] <qwebirc88531> size of 520
[01:43] <qwebirc88531> so 520 maynot be so unusual...
[01:44] <Razva> ok I'm officialy lost. can you please give me a hand with this: http://screencast.com/t/xWAygdZVzu I have no idea what the heck is going on.
[01:45] <mybalzitch> Razva: are you sure you mean to be asking in #ubuntu-server ?
[01:47] <Razva> mybalzitch well I have no idea where to ask... I'm just stuck at that darn issue
[02:24] <qwebirc88531> mybalzitch:  about how long is the 'sg_format –format –size=512 /dev/sd...'  format operation supposed to take on a 3TB disk?
[02:25] <mybalzitch> qwebirc88531: considering it has to rewrite every sector on the disk, 10 Hours at 80MB/s
[02:25] <mybalzitch> so any time between now and then likely
[02:33] <qwebirc88531> was not expecting that.... I thought it was an O(1) operation, not an O(n) operation... wish I had known about this block size issue earlier.... I would have started that process off, in advance... i'm running out of disk space and need that disk to be accessible fast ;-(
[02:36] <qwebirc88531> mybalzitch:  and does it matter if I used /dev/sg2 in the command line, rather than /dev/sda (since they both refer to the same device)?
[02:37] <mybalzitch> qwebirc88531: I'm not sure
[02:40] <qwebirc88531> sg_scan revealed /dev/sg2 as that disk device... so, I figured I'd stick with that , and running sg_format without any options on that device shows the appropriate diagnostic output of 520-block-size disk , etc.
[02:41] <mybalzitch> sure
[02:44] <qwebirc88531> correct me if i'm wrong but /dev/sg* are character devices and, /dev/sd* are block devices.  So, does this make the sg_format operation any slower when accessing the disk as a character device as opposed to a block device?
[05:15] <jayjo> i have a dead.letter that file that was outputting cron job outputs that I need to find an error message in, and it's now about 19.8 MB large. What are some tools I can use to search? I don't even mind scrolling, but I think cat is limiting the number of lines it prints
[05:16] <jayjo> I frustratingly caputured an ouput of the time a script took that ran often, so a lot if is meaningless lenghts of time (eg "completed 9.384 seconds\n")
[05:18] <jayjo> I do know that the error would first print the directory it was in, so I could eliminate a lot by just checking lines starting with "/home/jayjo/" knowing that it would have originated there, that would eliminate around 95% of lines. Can I do this with grep and piping or do I need some other tool?
[10:31] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:02] <Tangurin> Hi! Do anyone here know how to install imagick for PHP 7.0?
[14:16] <halvors> How can i request a prefix with DHCPv6-PD with dhclient using configuration in /etc/network/interfaces?
[21:57] <Razva> for reasons I cannot really understand MAAS doesn't recognizes one of my server's NICs
[21:57] <Razva> it has two integrated (Dell) and one PCI with two ports


[09:24] <dholbach> mhall119, davidcalle: can we chat about the deployment as you two are around?
[09:25] <davidcalle> dholbach: I'll be away in 5 minutes (for 1~2 h), but anytime when I'm back
[09:26] <dholbach> no worries - let's wait for Mike and figure something out together
[09:27] <davidcalle> dholbach: how are things? :)
[09:28] <dholbach> still down with the ubuflu and a skewed sleeping schedule
[09:28] <dholbach> how about you?
[09:29] <davidcalle> dholbach: no jetlag, no flu, but everyone else at home is sick :p
[09:29] <dholbach> so you're the nurse on the infirmary?
[09:30] <davidcalle> dholbach: that's pretty much it, yeah :)
[09:31] <dholbach> :-)
[09:31] <dholbach> bug hugs!
[09:31] <dholbach> err
[09:31] <dholbach> big hugs!
[09:33] <davidcalle> :D
[09:33] <davidcalle> Bug hugs, the worst kind of hugs
[12:05] <dholbach> davidcalle: do you know what's needed to get the deployment to staging done? do we have an up-to-date db dump we can work with?
[12:08] <davidcalle> dholbach: we have a recent one (december), already loaded in the staging db =)
[12:09] <dholbach> ah, great
[12:09] <davidcalle> dholbach, and I'll will run an upgrade this afternoon :)
[12:09] <dholbach> excellent!
[12:09]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[12:09] <davidcalle> dholbach: especially to document any migration we need to do
[12:09] <dholbach> so we will have an idea of how well the upgrade/migration would work on the real site later today? :)
[12:09] <dholbach> yes
[12:11] <davidcalle> dholbach: I'll start on it just after lunch, you should be able to watch the world burning live on developer.staging.ubuntu.com around 3pm :P
[12:11]  * dholbach makes sure there's enough space on the couch and popcorn and drinks are ready
[12:15] <dholbach> davidcalle: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/build-apps/debug/ :)
[12:17] <davidcalle> dholbach: woah
[12:17] <dholbach> yeah, the big blocks are starting to land now - this is even on 16.04 standards now
[12:22]  * davidcalle -> lunch
[12:42] <dholbach> davidcalle: I hope https://github.com/facelessuser/pymdown-extensions/pull/12 gets landed soon - that'll beautify our docs a bit
[13:03] <davidcalle> dholbach: on a related topic: http://feed43.com/8585111350810770.xml
[13:04] <davidcalle> dholbach: oh, nice :)
[13:39] <dholbach> oooooh, nice one :)
[13:59] <davidcalle> dholbach, mhall119 : starting on staging... (after a small snafu)
[13:59] <dholbach> *crossing fingers*
[14:02] <davidcalle> I actually need to do 2 deploys: an initial deployment of what we have in prod, then an upgrade. (snafu is that I messed up what was already there)
[14:02] <dholbach> ok
[14:02] <dholbach> all the best with that
[14:02] <dholbach> let me know if I can help in any way
[14:09] <davidcalle> dholbach: you can light a candle...
[14:10] <dholbach> will do
[15:05] <davidcalle> mhall119: I'm having an issue when deploying what we have in prod on staging , when setting up the frontend ip:  raise(RuntimeError, "Desired IP {} not in floating ips list!".format(myip))
[15:06] <davidcalle> mhall119: any idea?
[15:07] <dholbach> ah... was that was the IS guy mentioned in his mail recently?
[15:07] <dholbach> some IPs which were reassigned or some such
[15:07] <dholbach> not sure what I'd do with the information, but maybe it was something related?
[15:08]  * davidcalle looks for email
[15:10] <dholbach> maybe mhall119 knows more about this
[15:22] <davidcalle> I'm trying to figure it out
[15:39] <dholbach> mhall119: around?
[15:42] <mhall119> dholbach: yes
[15:43] <dholbach> cool... do you have an idea about the floating IPs issue davidcalle was having earlier?
[15:43] <mhall119> davidcalle: when you say you were deploying what we have in prod, what do you mean?
[15:43] <mhall119> IIRC, the code was already the same version between staging and prod
[15:46] <mhall119> the floating IPs should depend on the environment variables telling mojo that you're deploying to staging
[15:46] <mhall119> we've never run into that particular error before
[15:47] <davidcalle> mhall119: I know, but I tried to pull from the "production" branch, instead of the "staging" one. I hadn't noticed where our latest trunk actually was. I ended up with bzr complainging about these being different branches when deploying. I'm now rebuilding what was there.
[15:59] <davidcalle> mhall119: dholbach , asking for help in #webops
[16:13] <dholbach> davidcalle:  looks like pymdown-extensions upstream is unwilling to include it, so we can mix and match extensions we'd like to see - I'll propose something to lp:developer-ubuntu-com in a bit, but I guess we can also land that in separate deployment
[16:43] <dholbach> davidcalle: coming to think of it, you should have had more boxes of chocolate for your birthday considering the pain you have to go through in terms of deployments :-(((
[16:45] <davidcalle> dholbach: hehe, it's fine, actually a lot of waiting. The first deployment seems to work fine now, I'm waiting for it to finish (even if the staging site is now back online, it's still running). I'll try the upgrade tonight or tomorrow morning. I need to run as soon as this one exits.
[16:46] <dholbach> thanks a lot davidcalle for your great work on this
[16:46] <dholbach> let's catch up tomorrow then
[16:46] <davidcalle> dholbach: well, the "great work" part is for you in this case, can't wait to have the importer online :)
[16:46] <davidcalle> dholbach: wfm
[16:47] <dholbach> I can't wait to have it fully working
[16:48] <davidcalle> :)
[17:36] <dholbach> davidcalle: it'd be good if we could still land https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/drop-use-of-nl2br-markdown-extension/+merge/284309
[17:36] <dholbach> the name of the MP is a bit misleading
[17:37] <dholbach> it contains 1) dropping the nl2br extension and 2) a fix for the cleanup of leftover imported articles


[07:47] <simplechat> Hey guys
[10:17] <sagaci> not sure if jaddi27 started that wiki page but I've come up with a draft - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/JamsForPrecise
[10:17] <sagaci> I should probably link from the main Aus Team page or under projects
[10:18] <sagaci> oh, it does it automagically
[10:25] <benonsoftware>  Nice page
[10:52] <head_victim> sagaci: that's the benefit of using the template, it always has the child pages linked at the bottm.
[10:54] <dns_> anyone at linux.conf.au?
[10:55] <head_victim> Not I, it looks like another good line up this year though\
[10:56] <benonsoftware> dns_: I wish I was there
[11:05] <benonsoftware> I'll
[11:06] <benonsoftware> go to the next one when it's in VIC
[11:09] <dns_> not this one in ballarat
[11:20] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[11:20] <benonsoftware> I found out about it a bit too late


[08:10] <Ubug2> New bug: #74481 in ubuntu-docs "Many scrollkeeper cron.monthly errors." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74481
[08:58] <mdke> Mithrandir: morning. Would that sort of bug (^^) justify a stable release update?
[08:58] <mdke> easy fix
[09:00] <Mithrandir> mdke: unsure; ask mdz or cjwatson who are part of the SRU team.  I'm just handling archive bits of it.
[09:01] <mdke> ok.
[03:50] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu-server]  Ubuntu Server Discussions (development and support)
[03:54] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu-server]  Ubuntu Server Discussions (development and support)
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74555 in ubuntu-docs "Stable release update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74555
[10:04] <mdke> mpt: can you comment on the wiki:TopicBasedHelp/TopLevelCategories? I'd appreciate your feedback. A few things don't obviously fit into the categories: printing, desktop configuration (that isn't already in the upstream guide), partitions and booting.
[10:29] <mpt> mdke, any feedback I'll give will be of the form "be more like <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHelp/Contents>" :-)
[10:31] <mpt> though that page needs a bit of updating now
[10:35] <mpt> and I can make a few more tweaks to shorten some of those titles even further
[10:37] <mpt> Actually, TopLevelCategories is right in that adding/removing software should be at the top level
[10:38] <mpt> but, conversely, "Using your desktop" is a non-goal so wouldn't work as a category
[11:12] <mdke> mpt: right, but we need to work with the material we have. UbuntuHelp/Contents has a lots of material that doesn't exist right now
[11:13] <mdke> anyway, lots is similar
[11:13] <mdke> mpt: the reason I want to get you involved is because I want to start implementing this
[11:32] <mpt> Me too :-)


[06:02] <CraigZim> morning
[06:09] <Kilos> hi CraigZim and all others
[14:47] <Kilos> QA tell zipper.  Say 'zipper. on freenode' and I'll take your word that zipper. exists
[14:48] <Kilos> qa tell zipper on freenode Shame on you you missed the meeting
[14:48] <QA> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell zipper on freenode
[14:58] <CraigZ> zipper went awol at 16:43
[15:12] <Kilos> ai!
[15:12] <Kilos> hes as bad as stickboy


[09:49] <SteveA> good morning
[09:49] <thumper> morning SteveA
[09:56] <thumper> SteveA, spiv, jamesh, ddaa: 4 minute call
[09:57] <jamesh> call?
[09:57] <ddaa> jamesh: IOW meeting in 2 mins
[10:00] <ddaa> Meeting time
[10:00] <thumper> == Meeting Tim ==
[10:00] <ddaa> Today the meeting is chaired by thumper
[10:00] <thumper> oops, typo
[10:00] <thumper> Time
[10:00] <jamesh> hence a meeting tim :)
[10:00] <thumper> awaiting poolie
[10:01] <thumper> Apologies: lifeless (hols)
[10:01] <spiv> It's a greeting, like saying "Morning Tim"... "Meeting Tim" ;)
[10:01] <poolie> hello?
[10:01] <thumper> hi poolie
[10:01] <thumper> ** roll call
[10:01] <poolie> i suggest we move this to the canonical server
[10:01] <thumper> ok
[10:01] <poolie> any objections?
[10:02] <thumper> same channel, same time, different server?
[10:02] <SteveA> I think it would be very confusing to use the same channel
[10:02] <SteveA> this channel is used for other meetings
[10:02] <poolie> #bzrlp then?
[10:03] <poolie> this is basically a company meeting?
[10:03] <SteveA> ok
[10:03] <thumper> I was going to suggets #lp-bzr, but happy either way
[10:03] <jamesh> it is nominally public though, isn't it?
[10:03] <jamesh> or will we be discussing more confidential stuff?
[10:03] <poolie> it's sometimes slightly confidential
[10:04] <thumper> ok, #bzrlp it is then
[10:04] <thumper> * let's go ->


[05:57] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:48] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:05] <jamesh> Okay, so I've got gnome-builder to open a snapcraft project, successfully build it, and produce a snap file
[07:06] <jamesh> just need to get it to show the user where the snap file is
[07:13] <didrocks> good morning jamesh & others
[07:13] <jamesh> hi didrocks
[07:24] <MrMojit0> Is it correct that when I have installed Wine I cannot configure applications for Windows 10
[07:24] <duflu> Morning didrocks. Gday jamesh
[07:25] <duflu> MrMojit0: AFAIK Ubuntu does not officially offer Wine. Try the channel #winehq (https://www.winehq.org/irc)
[07:25] <duflu> If it works it works, but Ubuntu does not provide the support for it
[07:26] <MrMojit0> Thank you for the information and the channel I´m kinda new to the Ubuntu world :)
[07:31] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:46] <andyrock> good morning
[07:48] <duflu> Hey andyrock
[07:52] <didrocks> hey andyrock
[07:59] <willcooke> morning all
[08:01] <didrocks> wb willcooke!
[08:01] <didrocks> how was your extended week-end?
[08:01] <willcooke> very good thanks!
[08:02] <Laney> yo
[08:04] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:14] <Laney> hey didrocks
[08:14] <Laney> you good?
[08:15] <seb128> hey Laney didrocks desktopers
[08:15] <seb128> how is everyone today?
[08:15] <oSoMoN> hey seb128, I’m fine and you?
[08:17] <didrocks> re seb128
[08:17] <didrocks> Laney: I'm great, thanks! Still some hours of lack of sleep, but otherwise, good
[08:17] <didrocks> can't wait for today's rain (around 1PM)
[08:17] <didrocks> you?
[08:21] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:21]  * Laney is good!
[08:21] <Laney> did a lot of weeding at the allotment last night
[08:21] <Laney> that actually wasn't good
[08:21]  * Laney gets depressed
[08:22] <Laney> but wait, I ate the first strawberry of this year's crop
[08:22]  * Laney gets undepressed
[08:22] <jamesh> hi seb128.  Sorry I forgot to send my report through to you last night.
[08:24] <didrocks> first strawberry -> nice!
[08:26]  * oSoMoN likes strawberries
[08:26] <willcooke> duflu, koza - I can't do the BT sync meeting today, sorry
[08:27] <duflu> willcooke, No problem. Actually zero BT news from me. koza?
[08:27] <oSoMoN> I managed to get my chromecast set up yesterday, the initial update started downloading when I moved the router closer to the device. Much closer
[08:27] <duflu> Oh, almost zero. I mentioned a little in the summary yesterday'
[08:28]  * willcooke reads the meeting notes
[08:28] <willcooke> (later)
[08:28] <oSoMoN> it was initially located 1.5m from the router, and that apparently wasn’t close enough…
[08:29] <duflu> oSoMoN, I was impressed by the FHD Chromecast in others' houses. Then tried the UHD one at mine -- weirdly faulty. Covered in grease from factory, and only ethernet worked, not wifi
[08:29]  * duflu shrugs
[08:30] <duflu> Hurray for easy refunds
[08:30] <didrocks> oSoMoN: is it a chromecast 1 or 2?
[08:30] <didrocks> and busy wifi signals close to you?
[08:30] <oSoMoN> 2nd gen, but not the Ultra
[08:31] <oSoMoN> not that many signals, I mean I never had problems with any of my devices before that
[08:31] <didrocks> weird that in my busy wifi place, I have better results with the 1.
[08:31] <didrocks> yeah
[08:31] <didrocks> I do have problems with my laptop, but never with my chromecast (1)
[08:31] <duflu> I'm also not impressed that a consumer device like that can't be configured without a Google account (and thus google tracking everything)
[08:32] <duflu> Same with Android really
[08:32] <oSoMoN> yeah, that sucks (and it actually requires an android device too, can’t do the initial set up from chrome on linux)
[08:32] <Laney> but did you reproduce the bug? :-)
[08:32] <jamesh> It is definitely a walled garden
[08:32] <Laney> hey jamesh
[08:33] <duflu> Of course you can create a dummy account, set it up for guest mode and done, I guess
[08:33] <oSoMoN> Laney, I did, yes! now looking into fixing it
[08:33] <didrocks> duflu: well, part of their strategy, I think you know what you get when buying such products
[08:33] <jamesh> While the Chromecast is essentially just displaying web pages, you can't get it to display arbitrary pages by URL: you need to ask it to display an "application ID", which causes it to ping Google and ask it for the URL of the application ID
[08:33] <duflu> didrocks: Yes. Everything is free from Google so long as you pay with a little of your soul
[08:34] <jamesh> duflu: guest mode actually requires a connection to Google
[08:34] <jamesh> and you only need it if you want people not connected to your wifi to be able to control the chromecast
[08:34] <jamesh> hi Laney
[08:34] <duflu> jamesh: Ha, yes of course
[08:35] <jamesh> duflu: in Guest mode, rather than talking directly to the Chromecast over wifi, the RPC goes via Google's servers.  The pairing is done by the PIN displayed on the idle screen, or broadcast via ultrasonics through the TV speaker
[08:36] <jamesh> i.e. proof that you're sitting in front of the device the Chromecast is plugged into
[08:36] <oSoMoN> I’m definitely not going to use it for anything else but testing, it’s easy enough to plug my laptop into the TV to play content
[08:37] <duflu> oSoMoN: Also bonus feature: If your TV is on a different input and someone starts using the Chromecast it will instruct the TV to switch to Chromecast
[08:38] <duflu> No touching remote controls
[08:38] <willcooke> (if your TV supports CEC)
[08:38] <jamesh> There's no way to restrict access to people who are connected to your wifi: disabling guest mode makes no difference there
[08:38] <duflu> Yes
[08:43] <oSoMoN> man, that device is *evil*
[08:44] <duflu> Heh. Didn't Google stop using the line "don't be evil"?
[08:45] <duflu> Maybe not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil
[08:45] <duflu> It really was a low bar to set
[08:45] <seb128> jamesh, no worry for the meeting notes, maybe send them anyway for the record if you have them, otherwise try to remember next week
[08:46] <willcooke> please cc me for the newsletter on Friday ^
[08:46] <jamesh> okay
[08:48] <seb128> thx
[08:50] <oSoMoN> « in October 2015, the motto was replaced in the Alphabet corporate code of conduct by the phrase "Do the right thing" »
[08:50] <oSoMoN> now that’s better, of course it’s the right thing to do from a business perspective
[09:10] <MrMojit0> What is better to download and install 16.04 2 LTS or 17.04? Are there any considerations I need to keep in mind?
[09:11] <jamesh> MrMojit0: what is more important to you? Having the latest and greatest, or having a more relaxed upgrade schedule?
[09:13] <jamesh> as a non-LTS release, 17.04 will only be supported until January next year, so you'd need to upgrade to 17.10 before then
[09:13] <MrMojit0> jamesh: I´m new so aldo I´m going to use Ubuntu I need to make sure I´m protect well and the support is there when I need have support. So it´s not gonna be.. o your running 17.04, sorry no support there yet or manual available
[09:15] <jamesh> MrMojit0: 16.04 is a long term support release, so it will continue to be supported for 5 years after release (until 2021), and can be directly upgraded to the next LTS release (18.04 next year)
[09:17] <jamesh> MrMojit0: from what you say, the LTS release might be the better choice for you.
[09:17] <MrMojit0> jamesh: So you suggest 17.04 LTS
[09:25] <fossfreedom> MrMojit0, 16.04 is the LTS release - from what you said that is what you should consider using.
[10:01] <duflu> willcooke, forgot to take notes, but did update the important card in Trello
[10:01] <duflu> With notes :)
[10:02] <duflu>  Other topics are already covered by other existing cards in the 17.10 desktop board
[10:02] <duflu> -are +were
[10:02] <willcooke> thanks duflu, great work on Bluetooth, much appreciated
[10:03] <duflu> Nothing is moving yet. Don't thank me :)
[10:03] <duflu> Night
[10:33] <willcooke> MrMojit0, Just FYI you should checkout the #ubuntu channel as well.  You'll be able to get a lot of info from there.
[10:55] <MrMojit0> willcooke: I´m also idle in that channel. I thought this would be the main channel for desktop/laptop
[10:55] <MrMojit0> Thank you anyways for the advice
[10:56] <willcooke> MrMojit0, this is mainly a channel for developers working on the desktop, rather than users of the desktop.  But we're a friendly bunch :)
[10:57] <MrMojit0> willcooke: Thank you I will keep that in mind for when I have questions
[11:10] <jbicha> good morning
[11:14] <willcooke> morning jbicha
[11:14] <oSoMoN> good morning jbicha
[11:41] <MrMojit0> Goodmorning
[15:13] <Beret> willcooke, how goes the gnome transition?
[15:20] <willcooke> hey Beret, its coming along.  Waiting on a security review to complete on gdm and then I think we're about there.  Some more testing with LightDM and Wayland needed as well, and that's going on too
[15:22] <Beret> willcooke, too early for us to be kicking the tires?
[15:23] <willcooke> Beret, yeah, but not by much.  We have some PPAs, but really I'd not recommend that as a good way to play with it.  We'll be sure to put the word out once those last few issues are sorted and if you can wait another week or so I think it'd be preferable
[15:25] <Beret> ok, will do, thanks for the udpate
[15:25] <Beret> update
[16:35] <kenvandine> seb128, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+junk/snap-gnome-3-24/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml
[16:35] <kenvandine> works well
[16:35] <seb128> kenvandine, great
[16:36] <kenvandine> and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+junk/ghex-snap-gnome-3-24/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml
[16:36] <kenvandine> for the ghex snap
[16:36] <kenvandine> requires my branch of snapcraft-desktop-helpers
[16:37] <seb128> did you test on xenial as well?
[16:37] <kenvandine> not yet
[16:37] <kenvandine> local builds are arful are good
[16:37] <seb128> I can do that tomorrow if you awnt
[16:37] <seb128> great
[16:37] <kenvandine> sure
[16:37] <kenvandine> i can do it this afternoon as well
[16:37] <seb128> I guess we can both test, doesn't hurt :-)
[16:38] <kenvandine> annoying that we need those work arounds still :(
[16:45] <kenvandine> seb128, latest ghex snap isn't built on LP yet, waiting for it to notice the branch changed
[17:18] <seb128> kenvandine, k
[17:18] <kenvandine> seb128, it's built now
[17:19] <seb128> great
[17:19]  * kenvandine is annoyed that his laptop has a key that closes the current window
[17:19] <kenvandine> no modifier...
[17:20] <kenvandine> just the key next to the refresh key... closes the current window :)
[17:20]  * kenvandine lost lots of tabs
[17:20] <willcooke> ctrl-shift-t ftw
[17:21] <kenvandine> no... chrome didn't try to restore the tab
[17:21] <kenvandine> and it didn't remember the tabs that got closed
[17:21] <kenvandine> grrr
[17:21] <kenvandine> i don't recall ever hitting this before... maybe that key didn't work in unity :)
[17:22] <kenvandine> it's between the volume up and the refresh keys... just waiting to accidentally be hit
[17:23] <kenvandine> i use both of those keys often, over the past 2 years i must have accidentally hit it...
[18:14] <oSoMoN> I got chromecast to work in chromium, yay
[18:23] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, woot
[18:43] <willcooke> nicely done oSoMoN
[18:43] <seb128> oSoMoN, woot :-)
[18:44] <oSoMoN> yeah, the patch was quite simple, figuring out how to set up the chromecast device was the hard part :)
[18:44] <willcooke> haha
[18:44] <willcooke> Must be about time to do some "testing" of Netflix about now then?
[18:46] <oSoMoN> there’s a patch to enable loading the widevine plugin installed by chrome, but I haven’t tested it (don’t have a netflix subscription)
[18:46] <oSoMoN> willcooke, feedback welcome if you have netflix
[18:47] <jbicha> oSoMoN: do you have a ppa with that widevine patch?
[18:47] <mdeslaur> TIL some people don't have Netflix
[18:47] <willcooke> oSoMoN, sure thing.  Can you drop me an email about how to get it installed and I'll give it a go.  Busy with finishing reviews now, so will give it a go over the weekend
[18:47] <jbicha> maybe that's the secret to oSoMoN's productivity :)
[18:47] <oSoMoN> jbicha, no PPA needed, the patch is in the repos already
[18:47] <willcooke> :D
[18:48] <mdeslaur> hehe :)
[18:48] <oSoMoN> :)
[18:48] <sarnold> :)
[18:48] <jbicha> oSoMoN: it's already in your May 10 update?
[18:49] <oSoMoN> jbicha, it should be, lemme check
[18:50] <willcooke> oh, so it's literately, go to Netflix and watch a movie?  I can probably handle that.
[18:50] <willcooke> literally
[18:50] <oSoMoN> willcooke, see https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/zesty-working/view/head:/debian/patches/widevine-other-locations
[18:51] <oSoMoN> just install the chrome deb from their website, and that should do it
[18:52] <willcooke> so install Chromium and Chome on Z and it should "just" work?
[18:52] <oSoMoN> in theory, yes
[18:52] <willcooke> right on
[18:53] <willcooke> bah, now I find myself firing up a VM and not doing reviews.
[18:53] <willcooke> a pox on all your houses
[18:55] <jbicha> willcooke: oSoMoN: shouldn't that work in Xenial too then?
[18:56] <oSoMoN> jbicha, yes, the same patch is applied on xenial too
[22:56] <willcooke> night all


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[21:44] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue710 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue710 :D
[23:26] <kryten> Bashing-om: Shouldn't the MIR process article be under General News rather than Other Community, because it pertains to Ubuntu directly?
[23:29] <Bashing-om> kryten: Had that thought too - but, pertains to only a small sect of readers. no ? - rather than broadly general in nauture.
[23:30] <kryten> But I thought we only put stories in Other Community that don't come from within Ubuntu itself..
[23:32] <Bashing-om> kryten: ^ is true - ouch. I reconsider and move the article :D
[23:40] <Bashing-om> UWN: moved ^^ ... Next edit ?


[02:15] <Enma_Hinobara> Out of curiosity, is there a compilation of the hardware requirements for platforms to port Linux to? E.g. I see from some of the headers that Linux assumes 8 bits in a byte, 16 bits in a short, and 32 bits in an int, implying it does not support architectures where a byte is not 8 bits.
[05:52] <tjaalton> how can I get a local kernel build to produce -dbgsym?
[05:53] <tjaalton> oh, skipdbg=false


[21:06] <greyline> hi all
[21:07] <luxio> hi greyline
[21:07] <greyline> my Ubuntu 16.04 can't boot. it says error: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'.
[21:07] <OgionNJ> Old way is /etc/init.d
[21:07] <OgionNJ> new way is systemd, but more complicated.
[21:08] <tgm4883> luxio: cron would work
[21:08] <greyline> I tried to solve this with grub rescue commands a few week ago, without success
[21:08] <tgm4883> luxio: what are you trying to do?
[21:08] <greyline> maybe there're a few bad sectors, or I don't know what can be the problem
[21:08] <greyline> is there a way to "cover" the bad sectors and format the whole hdd?
[21:08] <luxio> greyline: https://askubuntu.com/a/397520
[21:09] <Younder> learning systemd is a chore, but worthwhile. Like find or awk
[21:09] <luxio> tgm4883: I'm trying to use google-drive-ocamlfuse to mount a folder in my home directory as my google drive
[21:09] <greyline> luxio: yeah, I did those commands
[21:09] <greyline> already
[21:09] <greyline> luxio: just I don't remember what was the result, but the problem still occurs
[21:10] <luxio> so when my computer starts I want to run google-drive-ocamlfuse /home/user/Google\ Drive
[21:12] <maslo> I have a website that has been getting slow sporadically for a month now, I'm trying to find out why. today  while spamming 'netstat -n | grep :443 |wc -l' a few times, I see it going from 30 to 4k in a matter of seconds and drops back down
[21:13] <maslo> is it safe to assume it's a ddos? or could it be something legitimate?
[21:13] <maslo> I'm not a server person by any means, I'm a dev
[21:21] <ntd> ok, this imagemagic stuff is getting tiresome, it's like sendmail and BIND in the 90s/00s
[21:21] <ntd> any way of ripping it out without triggering dependency-hell?
[21:30] <MrElendig> you run a website for months and don't do access logs?
[21:30] <maslo> we have access logs MrElendig
[21:31] <maslo> our traffic is high everyday, the slow is sporadic, from fast to slow in minutes and slow to fast in minutes, some days there are no slows etc but our number usually stay the same
[21:31] <maslo> around 3mil request a day, 10-15k unique a day
[21:34] <MrElendig> just graph the logs instead of spamming netstat then :p
[21:34] <ggz> hello. I don't know how i have done it but now, in jackdbus, i need to connect my sound applications to system/playback_3 and 4 instead of system/playback_1 and 2 to send audio to speakers. do you know how to change it to 1 and 2 like before ?
[21:35] <ggz> i don't know how to search between pulseaudio alsa and jack
[21:35] <akik> ggz: you can manage the connections with qjackctl or catia
[21:37] <ggz> akik: yes but everything is connected to playback_1 and 2 by default, event pulseaudio jack-sink, but now, no sound is outputed, i need to connect manually everything to playback_3 and 4. I want my speakers to go back to playback_1 and 2, but i don't understand where theses "playback_x" come from
[21:39] <FManTropyx> for some reason my system lacks the compress command
[21:40] <maslo> https://imgur.com/a/W2omB MrElendig
[21:41] <maslo> bad link https://imgur.com/a/rS9af MrElendig
[21:41] <akik> ggz: sorry :(
[21:42] <akik> ggz: until you figure out what those _3 and _4 are, you could use a cli jackd client to make the correct connections automatically
[21:42] <maslo> https://imgur.com/a/PGguU MrElendig
[21:44] <pavlos> FManTropyx: sudo apt install ncompress
[21:45] <FManTropyx> thanks!
[21:46] <DarkDrgn2k> anyone know how to prevent network manager from periodically scanning the wifi adapter for nodes? It interrupts the working of a connected device.
[21:48] <Ricardus> is there a way to graphically change shells? I tried to change my default shell and now I cant get to the shell.
[21:52] <ggz> akik: ok i figured out something! there is two rows of output on my sound card, i tried to plug the speakers on the other row, and this work! so somehow i (or an update ?) changed the order in the driver or somewhere
[21:52] <geirha> Ricardus: How did you change your shell?  see if you get a shell with   alt+f2 ->  gnome-terminal -- bash
[21:53] <Ricardus> geirha, I think I'm an idiot. I added what I thoguht was a shell to my etc/shells file and chaged to it with chsh, but now when it tries to open a shell I just see a bunch of shells opening and closing
[21:54] <akik> ggz: i only use jackd on one machine which uses midi connections. i'm not so well familiar with it
[21:55] <ggz> akik: ok thanks anyway, the problem is somehow solved event if I don't understand what happened :p
[21:56] <whitebeast> im facing a pae problem with the kernel on a computer im trying to get to run ubuntu. ive tried lubuntu but that also does not work. can anyone offer recomendations? or where i can find a list to help?
[21:56] <greyline> https://askubuntu.com/a/398808
[21:57] <greyline> how much space should I left for the 2. point, and the 3. point in a 1 tb hdd?
[21:57] <akik> whitebeast: do you mean you need to use the forcepae kernel parameter?
[21:58] <whitebeast> akik yes. but i dont want to force it unless i have to. is there an option to just use something with a diffrent kernal?
[21:58] <akik> whitebeast: why don't you want to use it?
[21:59] <whitebeast> honestly.. inexperience. big bold letters come up and say ( use at your own risk ) it implys risk im not sure what that risk is but .....
[21:59] <TJ-> whitebeast: the point of "forcepae" is to use it when the CPU itself doesn't declare it in it's feature flags, even though the CPU supports PAE
[22:01] <TJ-> whitebeast: CPUs declare to the kernel what features they support through registers with each bit indicating presence (or absence) or a feature. Some older CPUs have all the PAE functionality but don't set the PAE bit. "forcepae" simply tells the kernel to assume its there and use it.
[22:01] <whitebeast> will that neglect any normal features?
[22:02] <TJ-> whitebeast: no, it'll simply make the CPU do what it is designed to do - work!
[22:02] <whitebeast> ok thank you
[22:03] <greyline> somebody?
[22:06] <akik> TJ-: why does ubuntu require that flag even though the machine only has 1 or 2 gigs of ram=
[22:09] <greyline> somebody?
[22:12] <TJ-> akik: because the kernels are built with PAE as a requirement, so any CPU without it will cause the kernel to fail to start
[22:13] <TJ-> akik: the details in the help page explain the technical background
[22:13] <TJ-> !pae
[22:13] <boot1> all unicode text characters are replaced by squares like this: □ when I browse for a file in ubuntu.  Someone from the channel for the app i was using recommended I install more fonts, which I did with no success.  At a bit of a loss, hoping someone here can help.
[22:13] <boot1> the application is byteball
[22:13] <TJ-> boot1: you mean with a GUI file-manager?
[22:14] <boot1> TK: in byteball when I browse to restore or backup a file
[22:14] <boot1> not a common application
[22:14] <boot1> when I use it the text is fine, its just when I browse
[22:14] <TJ-> boot1: it sounds as if the sytem's locale is wrong; what does "pastebinit <( locale )" show us
[22:15] <boot1> pastebinit is not installed
[22:16] <TJ-> !paste | boot1
[22:17] <boot1> I just installed pastebinit, i don't know what it is, noob here
[22:17] <TJ-> boot1: in a terminal run the command: "pastebinit <( locale )"   then give us the URL to the pastebin web page
[22:18] <TJ-> boot1: it captures output from commands and automatically posts them to a pastebin web-site where we can view it
[22:18] <boot1> getting it now
[22:19] <boot1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25906160/
[22:19] <TJ-> boot1: OK, that's fine. It must be the program you're using
[22:20] <boot1> works fine until I browse
[22:20] <TJ-> boot1: I don't find any sign of 'byteball' in the Ubuntu archives
[22:20] <Ricardus> who was helping me a moment ago?
[22:21] <boot1> "choose file"
[22:21] <boot1> is it possible fonts are missing that the application uses?
[22:21] <euxneks> Ricardus: It looks like someone with the nick "geirha"
[22:22] <Ricardus> euxneks, thanks
[22:22] <Ricardus> geirha, I solved it. I created another user acct with admin privs and just went in and changed the shell of the other user with admin privs
[22:22] <DGUERRERO> Good day everyone!
[22:23] <TJ-> boot1: I have no idea; I've never heard of that application
[22:25] <boot1> TJ: thanks for helping anyhow
[22:26] <DGUERRERO> i'm setting up a minidlna server on my ubuntu machine, but it refuses to read the files, even setting the folder owner to the minidlana user and setting 755 permissions
[22:27] <boot1> TJ: is there a simple way to uninstall an application or am I reliant upon the uninstaller the developer included/did not include?
[22:27] <DGUERRERO> the curious thing is yestarday it was working using an ACL but today after erbooted the machine is not working anymore
[22:28] <DGUERRERO> *rebooted
[22:28] <TJ-> boot1: if the application wasn't installed via the package manager then it's up to the application to provide an uninstaller
[22:28] <greyline> somebody?
[22:28] <Ricardus> OK, now that I unscrewed up , what I scrrewed up, how do I get a shell like Terminology to come up by default when I type CRTL-ALT-T ?
[22:28] <bazhang> repeat the issue every ten minutes or so greyline
[22:29] <TJ-> DGUERRERO: does the process have directory-traversal permissions to the directory from / ?
[22:29] <katsumeblisk> Ricardus: What desktop environment?
[22:29] <greyline> bazhang: https://askubuntu.com/a/398808 how much space should I left for the 2. point, and the 3. point in a 1 tb hdd?
[22:31] <katsumeblisk> Ricardus: Find the settings menu of your desktop environment and search for keyboard. There should be a menu for switching keyboard shortcuts.
[22:33] <DGUERRERO> TJ.: yes sir, not only with regular permissions, also with an ACL, and still all folders are set as 0755
[22:37] <TJ-> DGUERRERO: are you getting error messages? if so, can you pastebin them for us?
[22:39] <boot1> can I install any application via the package manager?
[22:40] <bazhang> boot1, if the repos are recognized by it
[22:40] <bazhang> what package were you looking to install boot1
[22:41] <boot1> i was just curious how it worked, I installed a lot of applications, new setup, and some of them are not working or I found a better product and would like to uninstall them
[22:42] <bazhang> boot1, found a better 'product' where
[22:42] <boot1> found a better VPN
[22:42] <boot1> now I have the old vpn installed and I dont know how to remove it
[22:43] <boot1> one example
[22:43] <bazhang> boot1, so you were using openvpn
[22:43] <boot1> no, some propriatry software
[22:43] <boot1> actually using openvpn now
[22:43] <boot1> as the replacement
[22:43] <bazhang> 3rd party stuff is for you to support and track boot1
[22:44] <boot1> would I be able to install that via the package manager?
[22:45] <bazhang> boot1, openvpn? or the 3rd party
[22:45] <boot1> 3rd party apps
[22:45] <boot1> i guess not..
[22:46] <bazhang> boot1, check with them on how to
[22:46] <boot1> going too
[22:47] <boot1> thank you for your help
[22:48] <DGUERRERO> TJ-: the noticeable one is "error: Media directory not accessible [Permission denied]" http://paste.ubuntu.com/25906304/
[22:50] <DGUERRERO> and trying to run "minidlanad -d" returns a segmentation fault
[22:52] <TJ-> DGUERRERO: can you show us "pastebinit <( find /dlna -type d -ls )"
[22:55] <gluon> does anyone know why solid colors on wayland show this peculiar heterogeneous texture, instead of being uniform solid background colors?
[22:56] <gluon> i mean, when you pick a solid color as background or at the login screen
[23:11] <shazbotmcnasty> hey there guys - anyone have a minute to help me get ubcd to work with my pxe server?
[23:12] <shazbotmcnasty> I've added it to my menu, but i can't get it to boot - no errors, just goes back to the previous menu before i selected to boot to it
[23:14] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: so you do see it on the pxe menu?
[23:18] <greyline> my problem: I installed Ubuntu 16.04 in default mode. I got this error: https://askubuntu.com/a/398808 Did the steps in that post, because in the accepted answer, the "grub rescue > insmod normal" step gave me the same error. But after the reinstall I got "Operating system not found" error. What to do now? Is the HDD dead? can I do anything with that?
[23:19] <MrElendig> unlikely
[23:21] <greyline> MrElendig: can I test that with something? what counts/removes the bad sectors, maybe?
[23:21] <greyline> MrElendig: I mean hides them
[23:21] <MrElendig> greyline: don't jump to conclusions
[23:21] <greyline> MrElendig: I want to see with an external app if this is really a dead hdd or not
[23:21] <greyline> MrElendig: so what to do?
[23:22] <MrElendig> you could smartctl the drive, but probably a waste of time
[23:22] <MrElendig> reinstalling/reconfiguring grub is most likely a better first action to take
[23:22] <greyline> MrElendig: grub was not installed again, when I reformatted the whole HDD?
[23:23] <MrElendig> what kind of disk is this btw?
[23:23] <ahot__> helo
[23:23] <greyline> MrElendig: 1 tb 2.5" hdd, but I don't know the exact type right now
[23:23] <greyline> MrElendig: Toshiba I think
[23:23] <ahot__> i have qustion plesae
[23:24] <MrElendig> which mode is the controller in?
[23:24] <greyline> MrElendig: controller? mode?
[23:24] <MrElendig> the ide/sata controller
[23:25] <greyline> MrElendig: I check that in the BIOS
[23:25] <TJ-> greyline: is the sytem at the grub rescue> or grub> prompt right now/
[23:25] <shazbotmcnasty> nacc: yes I do
[23:26] <greyline> TJ-: no... it's the default "window", where no operation system is loaded. I think it's the BIOS
[23:26] <greyline> TJ-: that told me Operating system not found
[23:26] <greyline> TJ-: (BIOS is that first window?)
[23:27] <shazbotmcnasty> nacc: here's the menu entry for it https://pastebin.com/raw/gWd5cQe4
[23:28] <TJ-> greyline: ahhh, OK. What that suggests is the PC is booting in BIOS mode and it cannot find the boot-manager's bootstrap code in the first sector of the boot device. Does the PC have more than one mass storage device (HDD/SSD/USB) ?
[23:28] <greyline> TJ-: right now it doesn't have any pendrive or external hdd plugged in
[23:28] <greyline> TJ-: it should be booted from the HDD itself
[23:29] <greyline> TJ-: that's the second boot device
[23:29] <TJ-> greyline: OK, so we're dealing with a single drive - that helps because this issue can happen if the wrong device is being probed
[23:29] <greyline> TJ-: the first was the disc, of course
[23:29] <TJ-> greyline: 'disc' being a CD-ROM ?
[23:29] <greyline> TJ-: right. The Live CD
[23:30] <greyline> TJ-: but obviously I removed that after the installation
[23:30] <TJ-> greyline: OK. When you did the Ubuntu install were other hard disks/USB mass storage devices attached?
[23:30] <greyline> TJ-: nope
[23:30] <TJ-> greyline: I'm trying to determine if the installer could have written the bootstrap code to the wrong device
[23:30] <TJ-> greyline: That's good :)
[23:31] <TJ-> greyline: OK, first, you're going to need to start the PC from the LiveCD once more and select the "Try Ubuntu" option so you can get to a desktop where we can use some tools to investigate and hopefully fix it
[23:31] <greyline> TJ-: I wonder why the installer didn't gave me error message or something
[23:31] <TJ-> greyline: what's the make/model of the PC?
[23:31] <greyline> TJ-: Fujitsu Esprimo Mobile V6535
[23:31] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: then i'd check the pxe server logs, probably one of the files you are trying to load is failing
[23:32] <TJ-> greyline: I'm wondering if it may have installed in UEFI mode but is now trying to boot in Legacy BIOS mode
[23:32] <TJ-> greyline: do you know if the PC firmware is UEFI?
[23:32] <shazbotmcnasty> nacc: hmmm lol uhh where would i find that?
[23:33] <greyline> TJ-: Windows 10 was never installed into this notebook. I think UEFI didn't exist in this notebook's time
[23:33] <greyline> TJ-: so I think it's not UEFI
[23:33] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: what is the pxe server? ubuntu?
[23:33] <greyline> TJ-: although I'm not sure.
[23:33] <TJ-> greyline: right, checking the web it seems it is BIOS only.
[23:33] <greyline> TJ-: yeah
[23:33] <shazbotmcnasty> yeah running ubuntu mate 16.04
[23:34] <TJ-> greyline: apparently has a Phoenix BIOS
[23:34] <shazbotmcnasty> with ERPXE
[23:34] <greyline> TJ-: should I check anything, or can I reboot into live cd now?
[23:34] <TJ-> greyline: OK, so boot the PC from the LiveCD and do "Try Ubuntu"
[23:34] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: probably syslog
[23:35] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: i don't know anything about erpxe, i guess it alos might have it's own log, check /var/log
[23:36] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: also, you've pxe booted other things, i assume?
[23:36] <shazbotmcnasty> yeah
[23:36] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: what is ubcd?
[23:37] <shazbotmcnasty> ultimate boot cd
[23:37] <shazbotmcnasty> it's for diagnosing/fixing computers
[23:37] <shazbotmcnasty> i'm setting this pxe server up with tools to assist with repairshop work
[23:38] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: feels like you should knnow how to debug pxe boot failures then n:)
[23:38] <shazbotmcnasty> I've got a bunch of stuff in there, but for some reason i can't figure this one out. Checking syslog now
[23:39] <shazbotmcnasty> lol thanks
[23:39] <shazbotmcnasty> yeah i wish
[23:39] <greyline> TJ-: now it seems it doesn't even want to load the BIOS itself O.o weird
[23:39] <greyline> TJ-: maybe now the live cd is not spinning up
[23:39] <greyline> TJ-: I try to restart this
[23:40] <TJ-> greyline: hmmm. try a complete power off cold boot
[23:51] <greyline> TJ-: well, suddenly it just doesn't want to load the Live CD at all... it doesn't even spin up the disk
[23:51] <greyline> TJ-: previously it worked perfectly...
[23:51] <TJ-> greyline: is the battery removable? if so, power down and remove it for a minute or so
[23:52] <greyline> TJ-: I know that can solve things, but right now it doesn't have any battery
[23:53] <TJ-> greyline: hmmm, and it normally will work without one (on external supply only)
[23:53] <greyline> TJ-: I wait for cooling down a bit
[23:53] <greyline> TJ-: it should
[23:55] <greyline> TJ-: oh, another situation
[23:55] <greyline> TJ-: also removed the power supply cable, placed back after a few seconds
[23:55] <greyline> TJ-: now it writes me error: file '/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found.
[23:57] <TJ-> greyline: well, that's progress, it means GRUB has partially started. do you have a rescue > prompt?
[23:57] <greyline> yes
[23:57] <greyline> TJ-: although it's weird, the live cd should have started, not the hdd, but okay, dear weird notebook
[23:58] <TJ-> greyline: ok, type "set" and take a look at the environmental variables it reports - tell us what prefix= and root= show
[23:58] <TJ-> greyline: probably the HDD is first in the boot order by default, especially if all power was lost
[23:58] <greyline> TJ-: cmdpath=(hd0)
[23:59] <greyline> TJ-: prefix=(hd0, msdos1)/boot/grub
[23:59] <greyline> TJ-: root=hd0, msdos1
[23:59] <greyline> that's all
[23:59] <TJ-> greyline: thanks, they look good. now try "ls $prefix/"