[02:11] <aloini> I am seeing some problems with a ubuntu server 18.04.3 instance, where on bootup, the cannot start the network interface causing the entire machine to not start. If I check /etc/network/interfaces, I just see a blank file and am not sure where it is failing to start the problem.
[02:34] <aloini> Actually, I take that back, its ubuntu 18.04.4 (I didn't know there was a more recent upgrade that occurred)
[02:49] <aloini> This what I eventually see if I wait long enough: https://imgur.com/HW4ozvM
[03:23] <tomreyn> aloini: ubuntu server 18.04 uses netplan with the systemd-networkd renderer for network configuration by default, /etc/network/interfaces would be legacy.
[03:23] <tomreyn> do you read release notes?
[03:23] <tomreyn> !releasenotes
[03:24] <aloini> I do yes, my issue is that this occurred after a reboot of an already functioning network configuration and the server was working. The server is hosted in esxi, and the other servers I have have no problems on the host.
[03:25] <tomreyn> the screenshot you posted does not explain what failed about brining up systemdd-networkd, you'll need to refer to the log files as indicated.
[03:25] <aloini> Which log files? I attempted to look at /var/log/syslog, lastlog, kernel, and others but couldn't find any relevant info in any log file.
[03:26] <tomreyn> quoting your screen shot: "See systemctl status systemd-networkd.service for details."
[03:26] <aloini> I can't do that if the system does not boot or drop to a shell though.
[03:26] <aloini> If I reboot into recovery mode, there is no relevant information there.
[03:27] <tomreyn> so it does not contniue to boot after 1min30s are reached?
[03:27] <aloini> No, it just continually cycles through this process of trying to start the network interface for an unlimited amount of time.
[03:27] <tomreyn> i see. in this case you may want to boot to recovery
[03:28] <aloini> I rebooted the server this morning around noon, and then came back to it at 5 and it was still cycling through.
[03:28] <tomreyn> !recovery
[03:28] <tomreyn> other than syslog there's also journalctl for accessing log files.
[03:29] <tomreyn> well, not log files, but logs
[03:30] <tomreyn> to me, cloud-init is the culprit there
[03:31] <aloini> Where would you start from here then? If I boot into recovery and tell it to drop to root shell it does that successfully. But, I am honestly, not familiar with cloud-init so I am not sure what I need to do here to resolve cloud-init or another service to have it start working again.
[03:32] <aloini> But one second, let me see if there is a way to get something from journalctl.
[03:33] <tomreyn> journalctl -b -1 -e     would let you inspect the end (-e) of what was logged during the previous (-b -1 ) boot
[03:38] <aloini> I see a call trace in the log right after starting, but, nothing more then that. I am unable to copy and paste things, so photos will be the only way to achieve this... one second.
[03:38] <aloini> https://imgur.com/lzIrhHo
[03:39] <tomreyn> a (virtual) serial console would enable to copy and paste
[03:40] <aloini> For what it is also worth, in recovery, I can ping out to IP addresses, but am unable to use DNS (IE: can't ping google.com but can ping google's dns servers, <IP_ADDRESS>)
[03:41] <tomreyn> since i know practically nothing about this system, guessing on the lower end of a kernel call trace is not going to get us very far. this trace refers to "fuse", which may suggest your system makes use of a fuse file system, where the driver fails somehow.,
[03:43] <tomreyn> since you have networking, you could post the full log to termbin, if that's acceptable in terms of company policies / regulations, to share those
[03:43] <aloini> Yeah it would be, this is a personal system, not a company system.
[03:43] <tomreyn> journalctl -b -1 | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999
[03:44] <tomreyn> post the url it returns
[03:45] <aloini> https://termbin.com/f6ad
[03:47] <tomreyn> "pci 0000:00:15.3: BAR 13: no space for [io  size 0x1000]" and "pci 0000:00:15.3: BAR 13: failed to assign [io  size 0x1000]" is the first problem, try a web search for this
[03:51] <tomreyn> so this does not seem to really hint on why the ens160 network interface fails to get configured. maybe you can share the network configuration?
[03:53] <tomreyn> maybe using:  cat /etc/netplan/* | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999
[03:54] <tomreyn> the systemd-timesyncd task gets hung somehow. this could be due to problems with the hwclock provided by the (vmware) virtualization
[03:54] <aloini> https://termbin.com/fk0l
[03:54] <tomreyn> you were not running the latest kernel package at the time, though
[03:54] <tomreyn> does the same still happen on the latest kernel?
[03:55] <aloini> It's mainly a DHCP configuration, and the DHCP server is up and running as far as I can see (other clients are receiving addresses without issue)
[03:56] <tomreyn> dhcp would happen after the network interface is brought up, so its indeed not a dhcp issue
[03:56] <aloini> Not sure tomreyn, I can't run apt update due to the lack of dns, it seems that the file that symlinks to /etc/resolv.conf (../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolve.conf) is missing in recovery
[03:59] <tomreyn> you can either mount a tmpfs at /run and create the expected directories and the file there, with some public resolvers or your preferred ones, or you can delete the symlink at /etc/resolv.conf and place the file there,p then delete it later on.
[04:00] <tomreyn> (or just move it aside)
[04:04] <aloini> So, I don't see any potential upgrades for the kernel, https://termbin.com/b3g7
[04:08] <tomreyn> good. all i know is that when it was creating the logs you posted at https://termbin.com/f6ad it was running 5.3.0-26-generic #28
[04:08] <tomreyn> but 5.3.0-28-generic #30 is available now
[04:10] <tomreyn> i had you posted the log from last but one boot there, though
[04:10] <tomreyn> i suggest you start by looking for a vmware upgrade first of all, since this can be a virtualization issue
[04:10] <aloini> Ah, yeah, I booted into .28 to verify.
[04:10] <aloini> Ah, yeah, I booted into .26 to verify if a previous kernel would fix it. *
[04:11] <tomreyn> the log we were looking at was produced between Wed 2019-11-06 03:27:04 UTC (when it booted) and Mon 2020-02-17 03:34:53 UTC (when the log ends, due to reboot or shutdown), though.
[04:12] <tomreyn> the log is probably also not posted completely, but cut off towards the end (or the system froze / power cycled there)
[04:13] <tomreyn> it may be useful to review a log of a current kernel boot after you've worked out the vmware side of things
[04:13] <aloini> So if I boot to recovery, remove the resolv.conf file, run init 5, I can then boot the system perfectly fine.
[04:14] <aloini> I am sure there are things that are not necessarily working correctly however.
[04:14] <tomreyn> so no more pci errors?
[04:14] <aloini> Does seem like fuse might be causing it.
[04:14] <tomreyn> and does systemd-timesyncd work then?
[04:14] <aloini> What is the latest linux 4 kernel?
[04:15] <tomreyn> upstream? kernel.org would tell.
[04:16] <aloini> user@plex:~$ which systemd-timesyncd
[04:16] <aloini> user@plex:~$ command -v systemd-timesyncd
[04:16] <aloini> There is no output of that command
[04:16] <tomreyn> it's a systemd service
[04:17] <tomreyn> timedatectl can query it
[04:18] <aloini> https://termbin.com/3gto
[04:18] <aloini> If I run timedatectl nothing happens however
[04:19] <tomreyn> i'll be happy to continue looking into this once you have convincingly stated that you've reviewed available vmware updates
[04:21] <tomreyn> also discuss how you use fuse file systems
[04:22] <tomreyn> and show a     journalctl -b     for a current kernel boot
[04:22] <tomreyn> in this order
[04:24] <aloini> Updating to https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-vSphere/6.7/rn/esxi670-201912001.html right now, but, using fuse to mount a Google Drive File System mount via rclone and cache. Once the esxi upgrade is complete, I will get back to you on the other stuff.
[04:40] <aloini> So this is the current boot log if I do the following: recovery, init 5: https://termbin.com/486f
[04:40] <aloini> If I just have the system boot up, it still goes through the continuous loop of starting networking services
[04:51] <aloini> I also do have the latest version of vmware tools installd into the guest OS as well
[04:51] <aloini> ii  open-vm-tools                        2:11.0.1-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>                       amd64        Open VMware Tools for virtual machines hosted on VMware (CLI)
[04:53] <tomreyn> unfortunately the previously problematic PCI 15ad:07a0 vmware device triggering the "no space for [io  size 0x1000]" messages is still problematic. maybe a newer version of vmwares' guest additions (provided by them/the virtualization host) may help.
[04:54] <tomreyn> how do you mount the fuse file system in fstab?
[04:59] <aloini> Ah, thanks, you made me remember a change I made several weeks ago to a systemd file.
[04:59] <aloini> Fixing that actually caused the system to boot again properly.
[05:01] <aloini> I am mounting fuse with a systemd script that waits on the network to mount due to Google Drive requiring a valid network connection.
[05:02] <tomreyn> aloini: don't keep me dumb - which change did you make and revert now?
[05:03] <aloini> I basically left off a \ for the script.
[05:03] <aloini> One second.
[05:04] <aloini> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CFnzvfGQry/
[05:04] <aloini> Line 19 was missing the \
[05:04] <aloini> Adding that resolved the problem
[05:06] <tomreyn> i see, so just a syntax error in a systemd service file, i'd hoped this to be reported by systemd when you enabled the service.
[05:07] <tomreyn> you can and should use the _netdev mount option in /etc/fstab for network devices
[07:05] <lordievader> Good morning
[16:19] <charolastra> in the process of an LTS -> LTS upgrade it stoped at the question of a modified file and the options to keep it, view difference, etc. but then didn't take any input anymore. dpkg process is still running and i see a process called 'xenial'. how to best debug the current situation? just kill dpkg?
[16:19] <blenderartist18> I'm trying to do a headless install of Ubuntu 19.10 through serial console using these instructions: https://askubuntu.com/questions/250869/how-can-i-install-ubuntu-on-a-device-without-a-screen-nor-a-keyboard/260469#260469
[16:20] <blenderartist18> But these files don't exist: syslinx.cfg or text.cfg
[16:20] <blenderartist18> Any ideas how to get this to work for Ubuntu 19.10?


[00:00] <thisisit> jeremy31: this right here https://termbin.com/5y1i
[00:00] <Tin_man> myAimSucks, here is a link >> https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/09/how-to-disable-mouse-acceleration-in.html
[00:00] <jeremy31> thisisit: URL for > iwconfig | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:01] <myAimSucks> Tin_man:  cheers
[00:01] <Tin_man> :)
[00:02] <thisisit> jeremy31: no output pasted to termbin cuz everything is to stderr
[00:02] <thisisit> ens5      no wireless extensions.
[00:02] <thisisit> lo        no wireless extensions.
[00:02] <tomreyn> those dont sound wireless
[00:03] <jeremy31> thisisit: run the 2 commands at https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/a2bee9856d8c13f42f1835bc31bf9480 and post the termbin URL after the second command is run
[00:03] <thisisit> yep
[00:03] <thisisit> cuz I removed the wireless drivers
[00:03] <thisisit> it can't find the wls4 wireless device
[00:03] <thisisit> and the others don't have the wireless capablity
[00:03] <tomreyn> BCM4321 802.11a/b/g/n [14e4:4328], Kernel driver in use: b43-pci-bridge, Kernel modules: ssb
[00:04] <sparr> running disco might there be newer kernels available for me to try if I am encountering a kernel bug?
[00:04] <jeremy31> thisisit: run the 2 commands and post results
[00:05] <OerHeks> sparr, for disco support, #ubuntu+1
[00:05] <sparr> I'll take a cosmic answer
[00:06] <thisisit> jeremy31: https://termbin.com/d2hr here you go :D
[00:06] <tomreyn> sparr: no, other than mainline (unsupported)
[00:06] <OerHeks> sparr, there is no !HWE for cosmic :-D
[00:06] <OerHeks> smart guy
[00:07] <OerHeks> er Dingo
[00:07] <sparr> tomreyn: I am willing to try an unsupported kernel package if it might resolve the issue that is locking up my computer
[00:07] <sparr> OerHeks: HWE?
[00:09] <jeremy31> thisisit: in terminal do> sudo apt install firmware-b43-installer
[00:09] <jeremy31> then reboot
[00:09] <tomreyn> !hwe | sparr
[00:09] <thisisit> cant i modprobe?
[00:10] <tomreyn> hwe=hardware enablement
[00:10] <sparr> alternately, can I *downgrade* my kernel?
[00:10] <jeremy31> thisisit: The firmware is missing, and removing and modprobing the module hangs sometimes
[00:10] <thisisit> kkk
[00:11] <tomreyn> sparr: not supported here. what is the actual issue, is this system fully patched? special hardware? what's on the logs?
[00:12] <thisisit> be back again
[00:12] <thisisit> :D
[00:12] <Bashing-om> sparr: What kernels are presently installed ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' ?
[00:13] <tomreyn> !paste | sparr
[00:13] <sparr> 4.19.0-12-generic
[00:13] <OerHeks> really the wrong channel to report issues, that is why ubuntu+1 exists
[00:14] <tomreyn> sparr: if you run disco, please to to +1
[00:14] <sparr> OerHeks: I am not trying to report an issue. I am trying to figure out how to install any other kernel version.
[00:14] <tomreyn> there is no support here for disco
[00:14] <sparr> "180530           sparr | I'll take a cosmic answer"
[00:15] <tomreyn> sparr: this kernel is not supported on cosmic
[00:15] <OerHeks> mainline may result in the lack of some drivers
[00:15] <OerHeks> !mainline
[00:15] <sparr> but it's moot. since one of my stuck processes is a child of an apt-get, I can't install anything else anyway :( once I've rebooted I'll be able to search for instructions elsewhere.
[00:16] <tomreyn> so why dont you reboot?
[00:16] <OerHeks> oh, crossposting in ##linux ..
[00:17] <sparr> because rebooting takes a while and I have to restore a bunch of apps (such as reconnecting to this irc client) so I was trying to avoid doing it until I had taken any step with some hope of resolving the problem
[00:17] <OerHeks> good luck!
[00:17] <thisisit> so im back
[00:17] <thisisit> with the module loaded and ama able to scan and see the networks
[00:17] <thisisit> :D
[00:18] <tomreyn> nice thisisit
[00:18] <jeremy31> thisisit: thank chili555
[00:18] <thisisit> guys
[00:18] <thisisit> sorry i got your hopes up
[00:19] <thisisit> its not connecting to them though
[00:19] <thisisit> :(
[00:19] <thisisit> I can only see them
[00:19] <thisisit> its something
[00:19] <jeremy31> thisisit: do> ./wireless-info && cat wireless-info.txt | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:21] <thisisit> jeremy31: here it is https://termbin.com/0kzo
[00:22] <thisisit> lspci gives that the module loaded by the wifi: Kernel modules: ssb
[00:22] <thisisit> not b43
[00:22] <thisisit> which is interesting
[00:23] <thisisit> any clues why that might be happening
[00:24] <jeremy31> thisisit: try after disconnecting ethernet, do you have issues with ethernet after suspend?
[00:24] <OerHeks> did you ran: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade # before fixing wireless?
[00:25] <thisisit> jeremy31: I do not have any issues after suspend, will try after dc ethernet
[00:25] <thisisit> OerHeks: I did not run that
[00:25] <thisisit> should i?
[00:25] <thisisit> OerHeks: that did nothing, seems I am up to date
[00:25] <thisisit> will dc ethernet and try connecting
[00:26] <OerHeks> if you have held back packages during normal upgrade, yes, the module might be build against the latest kernel version
[00:26] <jeremy31> OerHeks: he is using an in-tree kernel module
[00:27] <thisisit__> nope, even after dcing ethernet and trying to use nm-tray I still can't connect to any wpa-eap service
[00:27] <thisisit__> the icon doesn't even show up
[00:28] <thisisit__> apologies, I mean ater clicking the icon and the network no menu shows up
[00:29] <jeremy31> thisisit: is your wifi router on channel 1-11 on 2.4 GHz?
[00:30] <thisisit__> this is a university router on 5Ghz, I don't know how to get the channel
[00:34] <thisisit__> is weird why this isn't working wew lad
[00:39] <gillesmauve> Is there anything that comes with Ubuntu that can tell me my CPU temp?
[00:40] <thisisit__> hddtemp
[00:40] <thisisit__> my bad
[00:40] <thisisit__> cpu temp
[00:40] <thisisit__> :/
[00:42] <tomreyn> sensors
[00:44] <Bashing-om> gillesmauve: Try ' cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp ' .
[00:45] <gillesmauve> Oh, nifty. Thank you for "sensors," tomreyn. Thank you for the stackoverflow answer, Bashing-om
[00:45] <tomreyn> yw
[00:48] <gillesmauve> Second question: If I want to diagnose a disk and see if it's being connected (via USB), is there any way for me to see the whole system process that's trying to connect to it?
[00:50] <thisisit> hmmm seems like there was a problem with nm-tray
[00:50] <thisisit> from lubuntu
[00:50] <jeremy31> thisisit__: It is seeing plenty of APs on 5 GHz, I am not sure how eduroam works
[00:50] <thisisit> I installed network-manager-gnome and it worked
[00:50] <thisisit> yea
[00:50] <thisisit> it looks like the problem was from the end of nm-tray
[00:50] <thisisit> which comes with lxqt
[00:51] <thisisit> those guys need to really fix this shit up
[00:51] <thisisit> its working now with nm-applet
[00:51] <thisisit> I really appreciate your patience guys
[00:51] <thisisit> thanks a lot
[00:51] <thisisit> :D
[00:51] <thisisit> going to get dinner now
[00:51] <thisisit> gnite
[00:51] <thisisit> :D
[00:52] <hp> hey
[00:53] <tomreyn> gillesmauve: you can keep a temrinal window open with "dmesg -w" running there, then attach the usb device
[00:53] <gillesmauve> tomreyn: That's insane. I'll try that soon.
[00:54] <tomreyn> trying to follow all of the output might make you insane, but the command itself is fairly standard ;)
[00:55] <tomreyn> gillesmauve: also please dont cross post.
[00:56] <gillesmauve> tomreyn: You sneaky. I thought you'd just be in here. I usually ask just in ##linux.
[01:37] <pjs> I'm on 18.04 and updated my kernel to 4.19.20 using Ubuntu mainline build files. That's working fine but do I just avoid dist-upgrade now? Seems like that wants to downgrade my kernel
[01:38] <ryuo> pjs: no idea. i only ever used those builds for testing purposes.
[01:39] <pjs> ryuo: ok cool.. Seems like just using apt-get upgrade is fine so far. Just curious if there is anything special I need to worry about when updating the apps or system
[01:39] <ryuo> pjs: well you can always manually upgrade... i don't think they were intended to be used as the primary kernel.
[01:40] <ryuo> i've only seen them used for testing purposes, like kernel bugs fixed by an upstream release but not ubuntu kernel yet.
[01:42] <pjs> ryuo: OK cool. So far, no issues, and I'm only installing stable LTS kernels so, we'll see
[02:36] <MikekiM> Hello, is it possible to sync icloud somehow to ubuntu
[02:36] <MikekiM> im interested in the data and its manipulation
[02:40] <OerHeks> through any browser, perhaps?
[02:40] <MikekiM> browser works, but in windows and OSX its like an application I can drag and drop stuff directly, the browser is just horrendous and slow
[02:44] <ryuo> MikekiM: chances are there's no native client, but feel free to look.
[02:44] <OerHeks> there is some github project, but no tool as you described https://github.com/ndbroadbent/icloud_photos_downloader
[02:45] <MikekiM> Do you guys use any alternative
[02:45] <MikekiM> that would have direct access?
[02:46] <OerHeks> nope
[02:46] <MikekiM> So if you have desktop and laptop, how do you transfer files between them? oldschool usb?
[02:47] <MikekiM> icloud is nice in the sense that i can look at my files on phone too
[02:47] <OerHeks> nextcloud, owncloud, smb, nfs, many options
[02:48] <Auggies> That's really the only problem with Apple. They don't play well with others
[02:48] <TruenHero> hola cual es el canal español?
[02:48] <OerHeks> !es
[02:48] <Auggies> No, lo siento
[02:49] <Auggies> #Ubuntu-es *
[02:49] <TruenHero> "
[02:49] <MikekiM> ok I guess I could try if I could get it to work through Wine and the windows app, i am skeptical tho
[02:49] <OerHeks> it is 03:49 in spain, wait till 12:00
[02:55] <sparr> what package should provide the X server "glx" and "nvidia" modules?
[03:01] <qwebirc74947> hello
[03:01] <qwebirc74947> I've been researching for the last few hours trying to figure out how to get around the built in vsync option for intel 620 graphics.
[03:02] <qwebirc74947> I've tried creating a 20-intel.conf file and adding the Option "VSync" "False" with no luck
[03:03] <qwebirc74947> Is it possible to disable vsync for intel graphics on ubuntu 18.04?
[03:10] <qwebirc74947> Please, anyone?
[03:12] <MikekiM> qwebirc74947: most people are sleeping right now, but you could try this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#Disable_Vertical_Synchronization_(VSYNC)
[03:12] <MikekiM> I dont have any guarantees on it
[03:13] <qwebirc74947> thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into it
[03:17] <qwebirc74947> MikekiM, unfortunately, I am using ubuntu which has the drivers pre-installed in the kernel. I don't think those instructions would apply to me. Most of the instructions reference stuff that ubuntu does not have installed
[03:19] <MikekiM> what if u write nvidia-settings to terminal can u disable it from there,isnt Xorg same stuff
[03:19] <MikekiM> does xorg have graphical settings for ur intelhd
[03:20] <qwebirc74947> intel and nvidia are separate things, no? and no there is no GUI for intel graphics settings under ubuntu
[03:20] <qwebirc74947> I've also tried to create the 20-intel.conf and set the values in it with no luck
[03:21] <MikekiM> yes but is xorg providing u the drivers too?
[03:21] <MikekiM> thats why u made 20-intel.conf no?
[03:25] <qwebirc74947> believe so
[03:25] <qwebirc74947> looking over my xorg log file now
[03:28] <qwebirc74947> looks like I'm not building the 20-intel.conf file properly
[03:28] <MikekiM> xserver-xorg-video-intel i think
[03:29] <jim__> hi
[03:29] <qwebirc74947> I need to set the identifier properly but I don't know what to set it too
[03:33] <qwebirc74947> MikekiM, brb i may have figured it out.
[03:39] <qwebirc49265> Hello!
[03:39] <Beam_Inn> Does Ubuntu actually own and operate help.ubuntu.com ?
[03:41] <Beam_Inn> 1382 bots :<
[03:42] <BrianBlaze420> I can't see why not Beam_Inn
[03:50] <etzerd> hello all
[03:50] <etzerd> how to increase the size of the mouse pointer
[03:54] <etzerd> how to increase the size of the mouse pointer
[03:55] <Beam_Inn> etzerd, in gnome?
[03:55] <etzerd> mate
[03:55] <etzerd> the lastest version
[03:56] <Beam_Inn> oh. I forgot.  it's in the theme
[03:56] <Beam_Inn> etzerd, in gnome, in "universal access" there's an option
[03:56] <etzerd> ok, i will check it out on theme
[03:56] <Beam_Inn> it might carry over?
[03:56] <etzerd> thanks Beam
[03:57] <Beam_Inn> etzerd, if you ever figure out how to do "inverted color" mouse, private message me. lol
[03:57] <etzerd> do you prefer gnome than mate
[03:57] <Beam_Inn> not particularly, but I decided to use gnome because I want to use the default.
[03:57] <Beam_Inn> if I ever need to start from a raw installation, I feel like I'll have a slight advantage.
[03:58] <etzerd> what is the default in genome
[03:58] <Beam_Inn> gnome is the default desktop-environment for Ubuntu 18.04
[03:59] <Beam_Inn> ubuntu-mate is far superior, in my mind, but if someone goes to ubuntu.com they'll get gnome.
[03:59] <etzerd> i prefere the old fashion menu where you have "Application, Places and System compare with the new style where you have the menu with button on the left side
[05:07] <nikos_> hi
[05:13] <brandonkal> I've booted into an ubuntu cloud image (server). Now I realize I need to resize the partition within the VM. How can this be done? Thanks. (the vdisk is 10G but internally it is only 2G)
[05:17] <hangar18> I've created a QtQR code and saved the file in a known directory, Documents, and now I can't find it. Not even with a system wide file search.
[05:18] <hangar18> can anybody tell me what's going on or do I need to file a bug report or go ask the folks in #Kubuntu?
[05:22] <brandonkal> a misplaced file is unlikely to be a bug.
[05:22] <brandonkal> I don't know though
[05:24] <brandonkal> I'm sure I read something about expanding the file system when I initialized the VM. But I can't find such information now. All that shows up is gparted gui stuff.
[05:32] <Triffid_Hunter> brandonkal: resize2fs perhaps, if the underlying partition is already resized
[05:34] <brandonkal> Triffid_Hunter, Thanks. That command sorted things out.
[06:21] <d6> Hey guys, I can't seem to find a good whatsapp program that works without having to scan a code or using vxt... any ideas?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> d6: we have a whatsapp-like snap if you want
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> d6: whatsdesk
[06:23] <d6> Humm..interesting.. tell me more about it
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> d6: what about you want to know
[06:29] <d6> Well, you probably didn't give much attention to what I said...whatsdesk requires a code scanning from a phone which I don't want... any other alternative
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> d6: you want a whatsapp like on ubuntu, its your best bet. otherwise you will need to use other packages like telegram
[06:33] <d6> or Frantz all those  are useless to me considering the fact I don't wanna have to scan any code from a phone....My main issue is that I could find other alternatives but most of them work in conjunction with VTX and my laptop does not support virtual box
[06:33] <ducasse> d6: scanning a code might be a whatsapp requirement to access from a third party app
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> d6: avoiding the whatsapp scan code isnt really ubuntu related right
[06:36] <d6> Yeah..I will think about it... by the way are you located in the US or else where
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> !chat | d6
[06:49] <d6> Any idea when the next Ubuntu release is due
[06:56] <qwebirc61541> Hi
[07:07] <adli> c/c++ still relevant today?
[07:12] <lowin> Hi. I keep getting a window pop up saying system program error detected, and wants me to report the problem.. How can I see what the problem is so I can fix it?
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> lowin: normally you can unfold the details of your bug
[07:31] <Triffid_Hunter> adli: of course, linux kernel is C, firmware is still written in C/C++ and even UE4 uses C++ still
[07:38] <ygk_12345> ghhi all
[07:38] <ygk_12345> hi all
[07:38] <ygk_12345> i have installed ubuntu 18 and removed netplan and switche3d back to normal interfaces file
[07:38] <ygk_12345> but when restarting the networking i am facing the error
[07:38] <adli> Triffid_Hunter: hi.. any related ebook or manual for me to get start?
[07:39] <ygk_12345> it is saying missing required configuration variables for interface eno1.4003/inet
[07:40] <ygk_12345> can someone help me please
[07:40] <adli> how about linux driver design and verification? any ebook or manual?
[07:40] <ducasse> adli: try ##linux, it's not really ontopic here
[07:41] <adli> ducasse: ok noted. thanks
[07:41] <ducasse> adli: maybe #kernel as well
[07:41] <Furai> Hey guys. So you know when you start some programme - it shows on tasks bar with an icon and a name, right? So, I have a problem with our game - it shows up as "Unknown". What metadata is it missing? Are there any docs on that? Couldn't find it on the net.
[07:42] <ygk_12345> can anyone help me please
[07:44] <ygk_12345> ducasse: Hi :)
[07:50] <ducasse> ygk_12345: can you pastebin your interfaces file?
[08:06] <ygk_12345> ducasse: i will please hold on
[08:07] <ygk_12345> ducasse: http://paste.openstack.org/show/745001/
[08:07] <ygk_12345> ducasse: ubuntu 16 used to accept it
[08:07] <ygk_12345> ducasse: Missing required configuration variables for interface eno1.4003/inet.
[08:08] <ygk_12345> ducasse: thats the error
[08:14] <ygk_12345> ducasse: could u see that error ?
[08:16] <ducasse> ygk_12345: can you try with 'iface eno1.4003 inet manual'?
[08:17] <ygk_12345> ducasse: in the interface file u mean >
[08:17] <ducasse> ygk_12345: yes, replace iface eno1.4003 inet static
[08:19] <sparr> is there a documented workflow for building a mainline kernel with the same options as an existing kernel?
[08:19] <ygk_12345> ducasse: it worked now :) but no internet checking that
[08:20] <ygk_12345> ducasse: but when we reboot should we manually bring up the vlan interface ?
[08:21] <ducasse> ygk_12345: it should be brought up automatically, at least it does here
[08:22] <ygk_12345> ducasse: awesome :)
[08:22] <ygk_12345> ducasse: thanks bro :)
[08:23] <ducasse> ygk_12345: no problem, hope it works well now
[08:30] <nekoseam> api.snapcraft.io is down. any idea of when its comin' back up?
[08:31] <ducasse> nekoseam: try #snappy, they might know
[08:32] <ygk_12345> ducasse: one more issue. the ovs ports are not coming up when I restart neyworking. I have set them to be manual
[08:35] <ygk_12345> ducasse: check this http://paste.openstack.org/show/745003/
[08:41] <nekoseam> whats the command to remove orphaned packages?
[08:54] <EriC^^> good morning all
[08:59] <adli> my usb drive unable to write
[09:00] <adli> any tips?
[09:12] <iomari> greetings, I'm working on a artik sbc with ubuntu 16.04 installed. The network manger is called connman which I'm seeing for the first time seeing that I'm coming from the opensuse world. Can connman be used on a standard desktop/server? And if so, is it recommended? I'm just curious about alternatives to netplan/networkmanager.
[09:16] <gokl> Hi, in Ubuntu 18.10, how is user home encryption implemented? How is the password passed to ecryptfs? What the the config files involved? (Some systemd? Pam?)
[09:22] <JimBuntu> iomari, yes, it can be used, I can't say it's recommended in general, sure doesn't matter if it's a SBC or desktop to me, although it is intended for low resource systems/embedded/etc
[09:23] <Guest51738> Hi folks!
[09:23] <Guest51738> I've got in troubles...
[09:24] <Guest51738> it's about gammu cellular manager
[09:29] <_ikke_> With netplan, is there a way to specify the source IP for the default route? I'm trying to add an additional address to an interface, which should be used as source. Manually executing 'ip route replace default via <IP_ADDRESS> src <IP_ADDRESS> works'. I tried to specify a route <IP_ADDRESS>/0 with <IP_ADDRESS> as from, which gets added in addition to the existing default route, but it's never used
[09:34] <iomari> greetings, I'm working on a artik sbc with ubuntu 16.04 installed. The network manger is called connman which I'm seeing for the first time seeing that I'm coming from the opensuse world. Can connman be used on a standard desktop/server? And if so, is it recommended? I'm just curious about alternatives to netplan/networkmanager.
[09:36] <AppAraat> PSA: Lots of links here are dead - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Get_Ubuntu_18.04.2_LTS
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> AppAraat: on the wiki?
[09:38] <AppAraat> yes, specifically under that subheading.
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> AppAraat: .2 is not officially out yet, patience..
[09:39] <AppAraat> oh
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> AppAraat: tomorrow its sheduled
[09:39] <AppAraat> well either way I'm fine with 18.04.01 too
[09:40] <AppAraat> slightly unrelated though: I'm downloading server iso from https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server - but it's downloading using plaintext and it would be nice if the hashes were displayed on that link too.
[09:42] <AppAraat> apparently I'm not the only one coming across this issue: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1105361/ubuntu-18-04-server-sha256sum
[09:43] <AppAraat> getting checksums from plaintext links... not the best idea.
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> !md5 | AppAraat
[09:47] <AppAraat> lotuspsychje: I know how to verify the checksums, but the digests themselves are placed on a plaintext link. I'm also getting the iso from a plaintext link. So there's already room for attacker to do something malicious here. I do luckily have the Ubuntu GPG key, so I could verify the SHA256SUMS file here for example - http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/ - but initially getting that GPG pubkey was a hassle.
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> AppAraat: if you find a security bug, report to the #ubuntu-hardened guys
[09:55] <lowin> I have a problem with java programs showing blocks instead of japanese characters. I found this page hhelp.ubuntu.com/community/Japanese_in_Java and it mentions a "(your jre dir)/lib/fontconfig.properties" file. but where is the jre dir?
[09:56] <lowin> I installed openjdk-8-jre from official repositories
[09:56] <JimBuntu> http != plaintext, is that what you are talking about AppAraat ?
[10:10] <ygk_12345> ducasse: can I user rc.local for ovs ?
[10:14] <talx> for the third day in a row
[10:14] <talx> :p
[10:15] <talx> is there anyone here who ever managed to make d-i installion work ?
[10:15] <talx> with ubuntu 16.04 ?
[10:15] <talx> preseed that is
[10:40] <sven^> hi.. I have a problem regarding terminals on my ubuntu system. Several terminal emulators (rxvt, sakura, ...) seem to have trouble with properly getting their columns. If I use a full screen window the line gets wrapped roughly 2/3 of the screen. "resize" reports 240 columns. On xterm it works properly (resize reports 319 columns). My .bashrc is empty for testing all other .bash* and .profile are the default installation files
[10:43] <tomreyn> lowin: "dpkg -L openjdk-8-jre" lists all installed files and paths
[10:44] <sandwitch> talx, what is not working for you?
[10:49] <lowin> tomreyn, I "solved" it by copying over all the windows fonts to /usr/share/fonts but thanks anyway
[10:52] <maeud> talx: you can lots of examples online and 0 documentation
[10:52] <maeud> what are you stuck on?
[10:53] <maeud> preseed is horrible also, use it as little as possible (literally just get the install done) and leave configuration management to do the rest
[11:04] <AppAraat> JimBuntu: yes I was referring to plaintext in this context as data over unencrypted transport
[11:05] <JimBuntu> ok AppAraat I'm more used to the term 'cleartext' in this use case, hence my question.
[11:07] <dradli> guys .. i was unable to login #linux
[11:07] <AppAraat> right, I might have been confusing the terminology too since I often interchange those terms
[11:07] <dradli> someone need invite me in
[11:08] <AppAraat> dradli: offtopic for here I guess but you need to be registered and authed on nickserv first.
[11:09] <AppAraat> then you can join those kinds of rooms
[11:09] <dradli> AppAraat: thanks bro
[11:10] <JimBuntu> dradli, fwiw, it's ##linux
[11:16] <jarnos> What is the package for nouveau driver in Xenial? I have no xserver-xorg-video-nouveau installed, but lshw shows nouveau is in use.
[11:18] <dradli> JimBuntu: hi.. thanks bro
[11:31] <jarnos> I mean how do you create a bug report about nouveau driver?
[11:33] <tomreyn> ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[11:34] <tomreyn> you should have xserver-xorg-video-nouveau installed
[11:51] <pa> anybody knows how to get xchat-indicator for 18.04?
[11:51] <pa> that package seems gone
[11:51] <pa> although still referenced
[11:53] <iomari> pa: I think xchat is now hexchat. I could be wrong.
[11:54] <lotuspsychje_> !xchat | pa
[11:54] <pa> afaik xchat 2.8.8 is stable
[11:55] <pa> and has no known vulnerability
[11:55] <pa> at least serious one
[11:56] <lotuspsychje_> pa: hmm seems indeed 18.10 has version 2.8.8-15
[11:57] <lotuspsychje_> pa: think the indicator might be for unity
[11:57] <pa> it would be good to avoid another mplayer2 case :-)
[11:57] <pa> lotuspsychje_: ha, i see
[11:57] <pa> okay thanks
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:41] <simon49> salut tout le monde
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> !fr | simon49
[12:42] <simon49> parler la !!!!
[12:50] <m-blaise> hello
[13:13] <maeud> Cana anyone help me with a ubuntu desktop issue, when I log in I get the desktop background and the cursor, nothing else
[13:14] <maeud> here is the syslog: https://pastebin.com/raw/SKMy01r8
[13:15] <EriC^^> maeud: does the guest account work?
[13:15] <nicolas> hi everyone
[13:15] <EriC^^> hello nicolas
[13:16] <maeud> EriC^^: guest account works
[13:16] <maeud> logging as a domain user with mounted home directory fails
[13:16] <nicolas> im use RaspberryPi with Ubuntu Mate...!!!
[13:16] <maeud> pam_mount is mount /home/%USER%, krb5i for auth
[13:16] <EriC^^> maeud: try for starters, "dconf -f reset /org/compiz"
[13:16] <EriC^^> as the user
[13:17] <EriC^^> maeud: actually, try renaming "~/.compiz and ~/.config/compiz-1"
[13:18] <maeud> EriC^^: the dconf command gives an error
[13:18] <maeud> ~/.compiz doesn't exist, but I've moved the one in .config
[13:19] <maeud> same thing
[13:19] <EriC^^> maeud: try renaming ~/.cache ~/.config and ~/.gconf
[13:19] <maeud> I'm mounting the home user from a windows server using pam_mount, I can't access the dconf db file for the user
[13:19] <maeud> even on the windows host
[13:20] <ioria> might be an sssd issue
[13:20] <maeud> I've tried purging the home folder multiple times EriC^^ , it gets recreated and same issue
[13:20] <maeud> could be ioria
[13:21] <ioria> maeud, specify the   vers=1.0   in mount options
[13:22] <maeud> I'm specifying 3.0 ioria
[13:22] <ioria> nope
[13:22] <ioria> maeud,   vers=1.0
[13:23] <maeud> sec let me reboot
[13:26] <maeud> same thing ioria
[13:26] <ioria> maeud,   no other ideas then
[13:26] <maeud> nope
[13:26] <maeud> it's now loaded...
[13:26] <maeud> what
[13:26] <maeud> why would that fix it
[13:26] <ioria> it works or not ?
[13:27] <maeud> it does, but why...
[13:27] <ioria> cifs issue ,long story
[13:27] <maeud> really slow though
[13:28] <ioria> you'll get the same issue with samba
[13:29] <ioria> and you need to set  client max protocol = NT1
[13:30] <maeud> so if I set it back to v3, the desktop shows for a second then blinks away
[13:30] <maeud> and doesn't come back
[13:30] <ioria> maeud,  yes,   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cifs-utils/+bug/1764778
[13:30] <ioria> maeud,  slightly different,but same issue
[13:30] <pragmaticenigma> time for nfs?
[13:32] <maeud> I've lost count of how many bugs I've had to workaround :(
[13:32] <maeud> It'll be NFS when done pragmaticenigma
[13:32] <zen_coder> I want to execute this command
[13:32] <zen_coder> sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test
[13:33] <maeud> DO IT
[13:33] <zen_coder> it does not return, what is wrong?
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> sweet!
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> zen_coder: What's the error message say?
[13:34] <maeud> do you need "ubuntu-toolchain-r/test/ubuntu" zen_coder
[13:34] <maeud> "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test" is correct according to page
[13:34] <pragmaticenigma> maeud: the problem is much simplier than that
[13:35] <maeud> pragmaticenigma?
[13:38] <pragmaticenigma> maeud: First step, remove the "-y" and never use that again. When working with apt manually, you should never disable the confirmation prompts. Also, -y can disable any error messages from being displayed.
[13:38] <maeud> zen_coder ^
[13:38] <pragmaticenigma> zen_coder: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[13:43] <p47r30n_> cek cek cek, 1 2 3
[13:43] <pragmaticenigma> p47r30n_: Please stop, you can make your own channel by using /join #p47r30 if you like
[13:46] <thomastospace> Hey. I've just installed Ubuntu 18.10 on my Macbook Pro (15", late 2013) after the last version I've used was 9.04. Only problem I run into is that everything is a bit laggy and I don't understand why. CPU/RAM usage seems fine, so I'm guessing it's something graphical.
[13:46] <thomastospace> Anybody have some experience with this?
[13:46] <EriC^^> maeud: are the prmissions right?
[13:48] <maeud> EriC^^: I've tried setting the permissions to 777, same thing
[13:51] <easyOnMe> sorry does anyone know of the command to ask for a channel here
[13:51] <Fuchs> easyOnMe: hmm? ask for a channel in what sense?
[13:51] <pragmaticenigma> !alis | easyOnMe
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: check your graphics drivers: sudo lshw -C video, behind driver=
[13:52] <easyOnMe> ok thanks
[13:52] <EriC^^> maeud: try going to a terminal tty1, type "DISPLAY=:1 startx xterm" see what happens
[13:52] <pragmaticenigma> easyOnMe: If you are looking to host/start your own channel, ask for help in #freenode
[13:53] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje: That says 'i915'
[13:53] <maeud> that should work from what I've read EriC^^, ioria linked a bug that I think is the culprit https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cifs-utils/+bug/1764778
[13:53] <maeud> another unfixed bug
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: allright, tnx for checking maybe graphics are good, but your overall system smoothness is bit laggy then?
[13:54] <maeud> you have to mount with smb v1
[13:55] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje: Yeah, things like typing a url in Firefox. Using Discord has about 5 seconds delay in every action in the UI.
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: using ubuntu-desktop on gnome?
[13:56] <thomastospace> Yeah. I've also tried Lubuntu before, same problem.
[13:56] <EriC^^> maeud: did you get a white terminal?
[13:56] <thomastospace> It's a completely default 18.10 installation
[13:57] <maeud> no I haven't tried it EriC^^, ioria has pointed out it's a bug
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: hmm, lubuntu laggy doesnt make sense to me
[13:57] <thomastospace> yeah, that surprised me too
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: did you compare with an LTS version aswell?
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: i tested 18.04 on similar macbook without issues
[13:59] <thomastospace> I did not try the LTS version yet. But the new theme was one of the reasons I've gone back to Ubuntu :)
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: understandable, its nice eyecandy on cosmic
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: maybe as a test try a live LTS?
[13:59] <olabaz> hey, when I was on 18.04 my computer would somehow auto connect to the school wifi that requires a browser login. Now on 18.10 that is no longer happening. Is there a way to work around that?
[14:00] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje: Could do that, but then the question stays: What is the issue? How could I dive deeper into this?
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: feel free to also share your dmesg
[14:01] <maeud> ioria, if you mount version 3.0.2 it works fine
[14:01] <maeud> get-smbconnection on the windows host shows it as version 3.1.1
[14:01] <maeud> "SMB 3.1.1 was introduced with Windows 10 and Windows Server 2016."
[14:02] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.com/qEN4eB7S
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[14:03] <EriC^^> maeud: oh ok
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: wow, looks like you got a discord problem there, its full errors
[14:04] <maeud> vers 3.1.1 specified in pam_mount conf also works ioria
[14:04] <maeud> another workaround found
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: share your syslog too please, meanwhile uninstall discord?
[14:04] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, well, that's one problem then. uninstalling discord now yeah
[14:05] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, what command / tool can i get the syslog from?
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: /var/log/syslog and pastebin it
[14:09] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, hmm. 3.3 MB. any pastebin alternative that accepts that?
[14:10] <zen_coder> pragmaticenigma: Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:~ubuntu-toolchain-r/ubuntu/test'. ERROR: '~ubuntu-toolchain-r' user or team does not exist.
[14:10] <hanzo007> hi..
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: i mostly use hastebin or paste ubuntu
[14:10] <hanzo007> im running ubuntu server 18.04, does anyone know if theres some kind of session logger
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> hanzo007: come join in #ubuntu-server for likeminded volunteers
[14:11] <ryuo> hanzo007: script command?
[14:11] <hanzo007> so that i can log every users and that they type or do via ssh?
[14:11] <ryuo> hanzo007: unlikely. i normally replace .bash_history with  a symlink to /dev/null.
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> zen_coder: You will have to reach out to the developer/group in charge of the PPA then. There is nothing we can do here
[14:12] <leftyfb> hanzo007: there are tools like that, though I question the need for this. Would you also be warning your users that everything they do will be logged?
[14:12] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8zv8wrWjGn/
[14:13] <zen_coder> pragmaticenigma: I am running ubuntu 18.4
[14:13] <zen_coder> 18.04
[14:13] <zen_coder> in which channel I should go to ask my question?
[14:13] <hanzo007> leftyfb: no i dont need any warning..
[14:13] <pragmaticenigma> zen_coder: there is no channel... on the PPA page is the developer/groups contact information... you will have to use that
[14:14] <leftyfb> hanzo007: not a very ethical thing to do in my opinion. Good luck
[14:15] <hanzo007> yes i know.. the reason im asking is becaue i need some external persons to help me and need to see/log what they do and what they type
[14:16] <leftyfb> hanzo007: you should try tmate then. It's a shared terminal
[14:18] <talx> Hey,
[14:18] <hanzo007> leftyfb: for it to work i need the "client" to download the client version correct?
[14:18] <talx> do anyone know how to solve this https://i.ibb.co/1YCdh3T/pxe-error-gaudi-ubuntu.png ?
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: these doesnt sound good neither: 0.647284] pci 0000:06:06.0: BAR 13: no space for [io  size 0x1000]
[14:19] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, possible ssd problem?
[14:20] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, the macbook has been through some stuff, so that could be the case
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: you replaced the hd yourself with an ssd?
[14:20] <leftyfb> hanzo007: No. You can just install tmate, then give them the URL it spits out when you run it. They ssh to it and you're done
[14:20] <hanzo007> #leftyfb do you know of other "session logger" that
[14:20] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, no. it's the original ssd
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: alot of colord errors there aswell
[14:21] <hanzo007> that logs with the default sshd connection
[14:21] <leftyfb> hanzo007: your use case is to see what the other person is doing while they help you. tmate does that realtime.
[14:21] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, is there a general ssd health check thing?
[14:21] <talx> talx
[14:21] <tomreyn> talx: sounds liek this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1755863
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: is your system up to date also currently?
[14:22] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, yes. i've installed all the updates after i've verified that everything worked after installing
[14:22] <talx> tomreyn
[14:22] <talx> what does it say
[14:23] <hanzo007> leftyfb: thx, ill look in to it and give it a try
[14:23] <tomreyn> talx: are you asking me to copy the bug report here?
[14:23] <hanzo007> leftyfb: but if you know ofter session loggers please post them
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: disk-tools can smart test if you like
[14:24] <leftyfb> hanzo007: I do not know of any off the top of my head. I feel tmate solves your issue perfectly and therefore does not warrant looking for other solutions which "solve" one problem while creating another.
[14:25] <pa> has anybody here managed to use screen from a ssh terminal?
[14:25] <tarzeau> pa: yes
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: there's a lot going in on in your syslog, did you check graphics card if its still in nomodeset?
[14:25] <pa> 18.04 systemd keeps killing it
[14:25] <leftyfb> pa: that is not your question
[14:25] <tarzeau> pa: not here
[14:25] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, doing the test now. what is nomodeset?
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | thomastospace
[14:26] <leftyfb> pa: screen works perfectly fine on all supported versions of ubuntu locally and via ssh.
[14:26] <pa> leftyfb: not for me
[14:26] <pa> i ssh in the machine
[14:26] <pa> screen, then detach
[14:26] <leftyfb> !enter | pa
[14:26] <pa> then screen -r (works), logout, login, screen -r : gone
[14:26] <tarzeau> pa: local user? or ad user?
[14:26] <pa> local user
[14:27] <pa> what's an ad user?
[14:27] <leftyfb> pa: if you log out of a terminal in screen, screen stops. You need to detach.
[14:27] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, didn't do that. i'll check it out. can take a while as this is all new for me
[14:27] <thomastospace> thanks for all the help so far though. :)
[14:27] <pa> leftyfb: yeah sorry of course i detach after screen .r
[14:27] <tomreyn> pa: consider telling us more about "the machine"
[14:27] <pa> it's a plain nuc
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: could you paste this please: uname -a && sudo lshw -C video
[14:27] <pa> with a plain ubuntu core 18.04
[14:27] <leftyfb> pa: what OS is the client running? What OS is the remote machine running?
[14:27] <pa> amd64
[14:28] <leftyfb> !enter | pa
[14:28] <pa> the client is also a 18.04, but honestly i don't think it matters. I'd very much hope it doesn't matter
[14:28] <leftyfb> It shouldn't, just trying to get all of the data.
[14:29] <tomreyn> pa: is the server fully patched?
[14:29] <tomreyn> kernel rebooted?
[14:29] <pa> tomreyn: yeah, up to date
[14:29] <pa> yes
[14:29] <leftyfb> pa: any particular reason you're playing with ubuntu core?
[14:29] <pa> leftyfb: wanted something skinny
[14:30] <pa> again, i'd very much hope it doesnt matter
[14:30] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qkfvzn5pvW/
[14:30] <leftyfb> It does, since everything in Ubuntu core is a snap. Not debs. You might be better served in #snappy
[14:30] <pa> anyway, if i run an x session, run a screen into a graphic terminal (Konsole), detach, then i can ssh in and out and reattach that screen from the ssh terminal.
[14:31] <tomreyn> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=825394
[14:31] <tomreyn> oh thats really old, sorry
[14:31] <pa> i tried to add KillUserProcesses=no to /etc/systemd/logind.conf, and restart systemd, but it didnt help
[14:31] <leftyfb> pa: Ubuntu core is not really meant for a "skinny server". It's more meant for IoT.
[14:31] <pa> (i also restarted the machine)
[14:32] <leftyfb> tomreyn: they're running Snappy. Kind of a different animal.
[14:32] <pa> leftyfb: you are telling me there are good chances that on an ubuntu server or desktop this will work?
[14:32] <leftyfb> pa: I know 100% it will work
[14:32] <pa> i can install one machine and try
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> pa when starting a screen session you intended to disconnect, you need to provide a name to it. Start screen sesssion with "screen -R mysessionname" ... always try to make sure to disconnect. To find your screen session later, use screen -list to see a list of sessions. screen -R mysessionname will reattache to the previously used screen session
[14:33] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, I've added nomodeset to /etc/default/grub. I'll now reboot and see if it works, right?
[14:33] <tomreyn> leftyfb: core gets everything from snaps then?
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> pa this is all outlined in the documentation. you should read that before using the application
[14:33] <talx> tomreyn>: no but does it have a solution ? I visited the site but no solution
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: just as a test, yeah
[14:33] <pa> pragmaticenigma: not sure about the doc, but this has always worked
[14:34] <pa> like since '1800
[14:34] <leftyfb> tomreyn: yes
[14:34] <pa> pragmaticenigma: but let me try
[14:34] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, okay, brb.
[14:34] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: you do not need to provide a name to reattach to a screen session
[14:34] <pa> pragmaticenigma: it doesn't help
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: you don't have to, but it makes things a lot easier
[14:35] <tomreyn> talx: see #6, #13 for workarounds. it does sound like it would break automation, though
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> pa: what are you running in screen? what is the exact command that you are entering to launch screen?
[14:35] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: not when there's only 1 session. It adds nothing.
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: call it a personal preference and lets drop the debate
[14:36] <tomreyn> talx: also i think you stated during an earlier question that you're seeing an issue on xenial, not bionic. so maybe it's the wrong bug report entirely.
[14:36] <pa> pragmaticenigma: ssh <machine ip>; screen; detach; screen -r (works); detach; logout; ssh <machine ip>; screen -r :There is no screen to be resumed.
[14:37] <leftyfb> pa: you really should go to #snappy to further troubleshoot this. It's more likely due to being a result of running Ubuntu core.
[14:38] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, back. looks like i have some display stuff now. ubuntu forgot my 200% setting and brightness keys don't work anymore. so I guess nomodeset wasn't a big success
[14:38] <zen_coder> pragmaticenigma: the problem was, I was behind a proxy
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: but does your overall smoothness go better now?
[14:38] <tomreyn> leftyfb: thanks, i wasn't aware.
[14:38] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, hmm.. I think yes.
[14:38] <talx> yes
[14:39] <talx> its not related
[14:39] <pa> hm interesting
[14:39] <pa> i might ask there then
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: i wanted to see if your system lags by graphics or something else
[14:40] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, ah okay. well. after testing a bit more, it's way better now yes.
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: so must be intel graphics issue afterall
[14:41] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, so now remove nomodeset and then find drivers.. or?
[14:41] <DarkSniper2005> Hello, is it possible to play Apex Legends via ubuntu? I need to install origins, but when i try to install it via Wine it just crashes
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: you can remove nomodeset yes, then lets do a few other tests
[14:44] <pragmaticenigma> DarkSniper2005: Please ask in #winehq
[14:44] <DarkSniper2005> okay
[14:44] <genii> !appdb
[14:45] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, sorry, was away for a minute due to a system crash (power issue on the macbook's side it seems..)
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: no worries
[14:49] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, i may have missed your last message. i've removed nomodeset now, how do I tackle the intel graphics issue?
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: i would compare with 18.04 first, if i was you
[14:50] <thomastospace> lotuspsychje, okay, then i'll do that in the coming days and eventually return with more info. thanks :)
[14:51] <thomastospace> meanwhile I did install spotify and launched it.. and it ignores the 200% display option so the spotify install looks tiny :')
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: try a few tweaks too, preload install, gnome-tweak-tool bleachbit to cleanup system
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> thomastospace: maybe check bios firmware for your mac too
[15:17] <amitkm9204> Hi
[15:17] <lordcirth_> amitkm9204, hi
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> welcome amitkm9204 what can we do for you?
[15:18] <amitkm9204> I want to check the memory heapdump using java
[15:18] <amitkm9204> Can anyone help me?
[15:19] <amitkm9204> jps and jstat -gc vmid is not helping me
[15:21] <nemo> Got the weirdest problem in one of the few systemd ubuntu systems we have around here.  For some reason systemctl start ssh.service fails because   Process: 13994 ExecStartPre=/usr/sbin/sshd -t (code=exited, status=203/EXEC)
[15:22] <nemo> well, I look at the process and, huh, /usr/sbin/sshd is set to 600   no execute.  ok.. I set it to 755. rerun...
[15:22] <nemo> and it is changed to 600 again!
[15:22] <qwebirc65587> Hello. I seem to have some problems with having to reenter sudo on ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS.
[15:22] <nemo> anyone ever heard of this behaviour?
[15:27] <nemo> chmod 755 /usr/sbin/sshd;systemctl enable ssh.service  (seems to run fine, after running is still 755)... systemctl start ssh.service  (fails with status=203/EXEC  and after running /usr/sbin/sshd is 600 again)
[15:29] <nemo> oh crud. it's inside ssh...
[15:29] <nemo> /usr/sbin/sshd -t Segmentation fault
[15:29] <nemo> and perms messed up
[15:30] <seven-eleven> hi
[15:30] <seven-eleven> should i install matlab as root or normal user?
[15:31] <seven-eleven> by default matlab wants to install to /usr/local/bin
[15:37] <frozty> hi
[15:38] <nemo> hm. https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?318467-SSH-not-starting suggests an selinux WTFism
[15:38] <anonymous> exit
[15:39] <frozty> how does dpkg work with dependencies? I'm trying to build vim from source, and need to install some packages, 3 get unmet dependencies and "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages"
[15:39] <hggdh> frozty: start by 'apt build-dep vim'
[15:40] <hggdh> frozty: dpkg does not really deal with dependencies, apt-get (or apt) does
[15:40] <frozty> ok
[15:40] <frozty> I get "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list"
[15:42] <seven-eleven>   where should i install non root software?
[15:43] <seven-eleven> ~/apps/ ~/usr/ ?
[15:43] <hatchetjack> any idea why my hard drive light is constantly lit?
[15:43] <hatchetjack> running ubuntu 18.04
[15:43] <frozty> seven-eleven: ~/.local/bin is where I keep mine
[15:43] <hatchetjack> gonna have to nickname ubuntu HD killer
[15:43] <seven-eleven> frozty, mhmm
[15:43] <frozty> (if for user only)
[15:43] <seven-eleven> frozty, bin sounds not right
[15:44] <seven-eleven> bin would be for the binaries; but the actual libs rather to /usr or /usr/lib?
[15:45] <frozty> yeah, I've just been copying binaries there so far, but you could make those dir in .local too
[15:45] <hggdh> frozty: run software-properties-gtk, and select the sorce code button
[15:47] <seven-eleven> i think .local isn't suitable either, .local is rather used for software preferences/settings
[15:47] <nemo> n/m it wasn't ubuntu's problem.
[15:47] <hggdh> hatchetjack: ... because your system s doing a lot of I/O? Perhaps swapping like crazy, or something
[15:47] <blackflow> hatchetjack: more like the consequence of modern linux desktop. always something trying to use the drive. ubuntu bugs resulting with ton of logging doesn't help either.
[15:47] <seven-eleven> i think I should create ~/libs and ~/bins
[15:47] <seven-eleven> that sounds right
[15:47] <hatchetjack> hggdh: doubt I'm swapping
[15:48] <seven-eleven> or maybe: ~/usr/libs and ~/usr/bin/
[15:48] <nemo> !@#$ cylance. ah well.
[15:48] <Cyber_Akuma> Is there any way to "install" ubuntu onto a usb drive from windows? I don't mean just copying the ISO to USB to turn it into a LiveUSB, but actually install it
[15:48] <nemo> heh. poor ubottu. I should maybe have used the swear word instead 😉
[15:48] <hatchetjack> usually it's firefox doing this
[15:49] <hatchetjack> but I rebooted about an hour ago and hard drive light has been constantly lit since booting back up before firefox was even started
[15:49] <frozty> hggdh: now build-dep return the same error as apt, builddep:vim depends on libgtk-3-dev and libgnomegui-dev, but they won't be installed
[15:49] <hatchetjack> guess I'm going to have to dig down into it and find the process doing it and kill it and make sure it never runs again
[15:49] <blackflow> hatchetjack: take a look at bug #1579580
[15:50] <blackflow> no idea why ureadahead is still installed by default
[15:50] <hatchetjack> actually I think I just found out what's going on
[15:50] <hatchetjack> [[15:51] <EriC^^> Cyber_Akuma: maybe if you install a ready made image
[15:51] <blackflow> hatchetjack: that would definitely explain it :)
[15:52] <hggdh> frozty: sorry, forgot to say: after adding the source repository, you must run 'apt update', then 'apt-build-dep vim'
[15:52] <frozty> oh yeah of course
[15:53] <frozty> hm :/ same error (update says there are 2 packages that can be upgraded though)
[15:54] <frozty> but they don't seem important, kodi and git
[15:54] <Cyber_Akuma> EriC^^: woulden't I need one that is somewhat made for my hardware?
[15:56] <hggdh> frozty: I do not know what vim does, but it is a good chance it uses autotools. If this is the case, you must re-build the make configuration (like running autogen.sh, and configure)
[15:57] <hggdh> frozty: also, keep in mind that 'build-dep' installs the dev packages required by the *current* vim version. If you are running git head, bets are off.
[15:58] <Cyber_Akuma> Isn't vim a text editor?
[15:58] <frozty> yeah
[15:59] <Cyber_Akuma> I was never able to figure out it's UI
[15:59] <frozty> maybe I don't need to do this
[15:59] <frozty> --version says 7.4, but I need 7.4.1578
[15:59] <hggdh> frozty: actually, there is usually NO reason to build from source, unless you are hacking into the package
[16:02] <ioria> frozty, what version of ubuntu are you on ?
[16:03] <EriC^^> Cyber_Akuma: not much you can always chroot into it and run update-initramfs if it doesnt boot compatibaly
[16:04] <frozty> 16.04.1
[16:05] <ioria> !info vim xenial
[16:06] <ioria> frozty, anf you need a downgrade version ?
[16:06] <frozty> well then I didn't need to build it
[16:06] <frozty> thanks xD
[16:15] <marcoagpinto> Hello
[16:15] <marcoagpinto> will Thunderbird 60.5 appear soon in the updates?
[16:15] <marcoagpinto> it has been released on 29-JAN
[16:15] <Linuxuser> Hi marcoagpinto
[16:15] <Linuxuser> It might take a while
[16:15] <marcoagpinto> why?
[16:15] <marcoagpinto> :(
[16:16] <Linuxuser> Same as other programs like Libre Office
[16:16] <Linuxuser> As the devs lol
[16:16] <marcoagpinto> people are complaining that my GB speller doesn't work there, because it now needs 60.5 and they have 60.4
[16:16] <marcoagpinto> :(
[16:17] <marcoagpinto> I checked myself in my VMs
[16:17] <marcoagpinto> it has 60.4 not 60.5
[16:18] <Linuxuser> I see
[16:19] <Linuxuser> Well maybe you can download the latest update and apply it yourself
[16:19] <Linuxuser> Unless you are a geek who prefers pushed updates
[16:19] <marcoagpinto> Linuxuser: I use Windows 10, the problem is the Linux users
[16:19] <marcoagpinto> :)
[16:20] <Linuxuser> I see what you mean
[16:20] <Linuxuser> But it's easy to update a package on linux anyway
[16:20] <Linuxuser> Get the deb pack
[16:20] <hggdh> marcoagpinto: thunderbird should be updated, probably soon(ish)
[16:21] <marcoagpinto> hggdh: ahhhh... cool
[16:21] <marcoagpinto> :)
[16:21] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[16:32] <Linuxuser> Yea marcoagpinto , just wait I guess.
[16:33] <marcoagpinto> :)
[16:59] <tinga> Trying to boot ubuntu on a trekstore surftab twin 10.2, it doesn't get even to the grub stage with eigher ubuntu 64 bit or xubuntu 32 bit.
[16:59] <tinga> Got Debian 32 bit there, though, at least once.
[17:00] <tinga> Its UEFI bios has secure boot enabled. Should I turn this off?
[17:00] <tinga> Any risk of problems? Worried windows might not work anymore afterwards.
[17:00] <ducasse> tinga: turning secure boot off should not be necessary
[17:01] <tinga> What about Intel TXE?
[17:02] <ducasse> tinga: afaik the ubuntu images do not support 32-bit efi bt default, is it possible you have one?
[17:02] <ducasse> *by
[17:06] <EriC^^> tinga: if it's 32bit uefi you have to modify the usb with the 32bit efi file
[17:13] <tinga> Oh, shut ourselves out by turnong off "USB MUX" in the bios: now it doesn't accept input from the keyboard any more, thus can't undo this setting.
[17:15] <ducasse> tinga: no way to clear the nvram?
[17:21] <Meili> tinga: good luck: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/cant-use-trekstor-tablet-usb-disabled-touch-disabled-cant-find-bios.2881825/
[17:32] <anddam> hello
[17:34] <rypervenche> anddam: Hi there.
[17:35] <anddam> aaand solved by reading docs
[17:35] <anddam> I had some space taken from old snap releases
[17:35] <anddam> solved with remove and --revision
[17:36] <anddam> I need to reclaim some space on a vm image
[18:18] <gb69> i have noticd that dejadup only works under my user context, no option to run as root, and as such can't back up things like /var/www/html and other priviledged locations.   clonezilla takes down the server while it clones.  what do I want to use to achieve the same functionality as dejadup but effectively run it as root so it will actually back up everything including the things i'd need to
[18:18] <gb69> sudo to get access to?
[18:18] <Reign_> what are these parameters in .config/autostart: Hidden=false and NoDisplay=false ?
[18:19] <gb69> same question but shorter: what can i use for online server backups that will run as root , am I missing something really obvious?
[18:21] <baconology> do i sudo rsync -r --no-perms to a location that dejadup has access to?
[18:28] <daddy1981> Hi
[18:30] <lordcirth_> daddy1981, hi
[18:38] <elfrederich> hi, is there any desktop applications which can act as a 2-step authentication?  I left my phone at home which has Google Authenticator installed.  As a practice I save screenshots of QR codes and keep them in a KeePass database.
[18:41] <baconology> lastpass authenticator syncs your tokens
[18:41] <baconology> not sure if that is good or bad
[18:41] <elfrederich> I found this which may work... it runs locally HTML5... https://github.com/gbraad/gauth
[18:42] <lordcirth_> elfrederich, 'oathtool'?
[18:46] <elfrederich> lordcirth_: ah... when I went in to KeePass to find the screenshot of the QR code I also found a set of one time passwords I can use.
[18:46] <elfrederich> lordcirth_: but oathtool can be used to generate the time based one time passwords from a QR codeE?
[18:47] <lordcirth_> elfrederich, not sure how it imports the keys, but once it has the keys, yeah
[18:50] <baconology> i want lvm
[18:50] <baconology> figured it out, thanks anyway guys
[18:50] <baconology> how do i mark this as complete
[18:50]  * baconology solved
[18:51] <coolskeleton95> henlo
[18:52] <lordcirth_> coolskeleton95, hi
[18:52] <coolskeleton95> this is me first time using irc oof
[18:59] <maeud> ayup
[19:01] <D-melanogaster> Is someone had issues with xen memory limit?
[19:02] <tomreyn> yes, but they since upgraded their hardware to 64-bit
[19:12] <D-melanogaster> tomreyn: i'm using 64-bit system and it can't located more than 3gb ram
[19:13] <ikanobori> What happens when you do?
[19:14] <tomreyn> D-melanogaster: in total, for the HV, or on Dom-0, or on a guest?
[19:14] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version is this, which architecture? provide context if you're looking for assistence
[19:17] <D-melanogaster> um, 18.04 64-bit 4.15.0-45-generic core
[19:18] <D-melanogaster> when I booted it on physical machine an image OS can't use more than 3.2-3 gb of ram
[19:18] <tomreyn> D-melanogaster: "core" - meaning this is ubuntu core?
[19:18] <lordcirth_> D-melanogaster, Ubuntu Core? Is this the host, guest, or both?
[19:18] <D-melanogaster> yeap
[19:18] <D-melanogaster> host
[19:19] <tomreyn> you're aware this is for iot?
[19:19] <D-melanogaster> not sure
[19:20] <lordcirth_> D-melanogaster, why are you using Ubuntu Core instead of Server?
[19:21] <D-melanogaster> it is for research purpose
[19:22] <tomreyn> i don't think ubuntu core is meant for running HVM hypervisors, or not in a typical scenario
[19:23] <tomreyn> it targets iot devices which are usually short of hardware resources. typical HVM hosts are the opposite.
[19:24] <stanrifkin> sudo echoes * when i enter a password recently. due to updates i think. how i can i disable this?
[19:25] <Epx998> Did 18.04.2 drop?
[19:25] <lordcirth_> stanrifkin, sudo grep pwfeedback /etc/sudoers
[19:26] <D-melanogaster> anyway thanks for reply
[19:28] <stanrifkin> lordcirth: thank you. i found it in /etc/sudoers.d directory
[19:52] <juslintek> Hi, FileSearch constantly crashes, tried resintalling nautilus, same stuff. Any advice?
[19:52] <CarlFK> Is there a #chan for Open Office? (need help with calc formulas)
[19:52] <juslintek> CarlFK type /list and filter it
[19:56] <lordcirth_> !alis | CarlFK
[20:00] <pragmaticenigma> juslintek: Take a look at using "find" in the command line
[20:00] <pragmaticenigma> !find
[20:02] <pragmaticenigma> juslintek: (for future reference, many IRC servers limit the usage of /list, which is why on freenode "/msg alis list {chan_topic}" is suggested
[20:03] <lordcirth_> Yeah, Freenode /list is HUGE
[20:04] <ioria> justache, can you paste   apt-cache policy nautilus
[20:08] <lordcirth_> ioria, you probably meant juslintek
[20:08] <ioria> lordcirth_, oh, yes, sy
[20:09] <ioria> juslintek,  can you paste   apt-cache policy nautilus
[20:11] <abalaga> yo
[20:14] <fleabeard> wtf does it mean that "Waiting for Google to be configured in your backup settings..." when running Backups for the first time?
[20:15] <fleabeard> I installed duplicity as it suggested, but now I've got this weird prompt about Google and I'm confused af
[20:15] <fleabeard> this is Ubuntu Budgie 18.04 btw
[20:16] <fleabeard> this is the window in question> https://i.imgur.com/plcf7nc.png
[20:16] <ioria> maybe it's looking for Google Drive
[20:17] <fleabeard> eww
[20:17] <ioria> idk why it would
[20:17] <fleabeard> hasn't Linux found a way to provide practical backups without the need of Google services yet?
[20:18] <lordcirth_> fleabeard, deja-dup supports many backends, one of which is Google Drive.
[20:18] <ioria> just onfigure the backup  location
[20:18] <fleabeard> I'm assuming I just "Cancel" this screen and move on?
[20:18] <ioria> yup
[20:18] <fleabeard> got it
[20:19] <fleabeard> the Ubuntu Budgie team should probably have this default to "Local Drive" (since it's an option) instead of Google since it's confusing for new users like myself
[20:20] <ioria> i don't think is a 'Budgie' issue
[20:20] <fleabeard> ah, here I thought each distro curated the software packages they included to be more in-line with their distro. My bad.
[20:21] <lordcirth_> I don't see that defaulting to local drive would be any less confusing, given that backing up to a local drive is normally not actually a backup, and some people do want to use GDrive
[20:21] <lordcirth_> fleabeard, no, that's way too much work
[20:22] <fleabeard> lordcirth_, TimeShift on Linux Mint defaults to a local drive.
[20:22] <fleabeard> I'm pretty sure it does it if installed in Ubuntu too
[20:23] <fleabeard> just my experience with it (that worked) was Mint
[20:23] <ioria> fleabeard, usually 'local ' it's not a good idea
[20:23] <fleabeard> I agree
[20:24] <ioria> yandex gives you 10G
[20:28] <fleabeard> I have a Synology NAS on my network that this would be perfect for, and as of right now it is working great!
[20:29] <fleabeard> TimeShift doesn't even give you the option to do network share backups
[20:30] <fleabeard> I'm guessing one should only be concerned with backing up their /home folder?
[20:30] <fleabeard> for linux*
[20:31] <lordcirth_> fleabeard, depends. If you've made extensive changes in /etc, you may wish to grab that too.
[20:33] <eltese> Hi! I'm currently on the live environment of Ubuntu and wondering if I press install now (im going to install alongside Win 10) it will start installation immediately or if I get to choose location still for where I want Ubuntu to go? For clarity , I have 2 HDD's 1 which currently has Win 10 and 1 which will be used solely for ubuntu
[20:34] <fleabeard> lordcirth_, a better question may be, is there a way that I can take a system snapshot that would allow me to get right back to where I was in my OS (with all settings/software installed) so if something were to go wrong, I can just wipe the drive, install the OS and restore it to this point in time?
[20:34] <eltese> Ah yes, the installer is on stage 5 / 7 if that helps at all
[20:35] <lordcirth_> eltese, I believe all the options, at a minimum, prompt for confirmation of partitioning changes.
[20:35] <eltese> lordcirth_: I thought so, but I didn't want to take any chances! Thanks !
[20:35] <fleabeard> eltese, it may not be too obvious, but if it asks you which disk to install the bootloader on, make sure you select the proper hdd. I've messed that up before in the past and couldn't repair win10 to get back into it :(
[20:36] <lordcirth_> Yes, bootloaders are important :P
[20:36] <eltese> fleabeard: and which one do I want the bootloader on? I'm guessing not the one that currently hosts the mbr?
[20:36] <fleabeard> I had assumed that if I just selected the drive in the GUI that it would just update the dropdown that asks about bootloader install location and found out the hard way it didn't lol
[20:37] <lordcirth_> eltese, the one you are putting Ubuntu on
[20:37] <fleabeard> eltese, put it on the drive that will be only ubuntu
[20:37] <lordcirth_> Grub should detect Windows as well and give you a nice menu when you choose that drive, but if you break it, you can always switch back in BIOS
[20:37] <eltese> lordcirth_: fleabeard: thanks ! I thought so, but wanted to be certain =)
[20:38] <ioria> eltese, if you want 0  risks , disconnect the Win drive
[20:39] <fleabeard> lordcirth_ & ioria thanks for your help with my issue!
[20:39] <fleabeard> I think I'm good now
[20:39] <ioria> ok
[20:39] <leftyfb> BTW, You can always repair Windows if the bootloader is overridden.
[20:40] <eltese> leftyfb: ok =) Thanks!
[21:00] <Reign_> anyone uses yakuake? why can't I preserve settings? I make it 90% width and height but as soon as I hide it and invoke it back (with f12) it get back to 100% width and height
[21:05] <lordcirth_> Reign_, are you sure it's not set to open fullscreen by default?
[21:09] <Reign_> lordcirth_: from what I see yes, tho I don't see any checkbox for that
[21:09] <juslintek> ioria, https://termbin.com/tozn
[21:10] <lordcirth_> Reign, alternatively, I'm using Tilda here that does basically the same thing and works great
[21:17] <leftyfb> I use CTRL+ALT+T which opens terminator
[21:18] <Reign_> lordcirth_: I guess I'll try Guake and maybe Tilda
[21:27] <Epx998> What would be the correct way to mirror ubuntu repos, but a specific release?  I dont want to nessessarily mirror the entire pool directory
[21:28] <lordcirth_> Epx998, are you sure you even want to mirror a specific release? It's a *lot* of data
[21:28] <lordcirth_> Most people who want a mirror actually want a caching proxy
[21:29] <Epx998> We want the software local to the servers we build
[21:30] <lordcirth_> Epx998, why? To reduce bandwidth?
[21:31] <Epx998> provision faster and we dont want the servers directly touching anything beyond our network
[21:31] <leftyfb> Epx998: then caching is what you want
[21:32] <Epx998> Can you point me to some wiki that writes about it?
[21:33] <leftyfb> Epx998: look up approx or apt-cacher-ng
[21:33] <lordcirth_> Epx998, https://wiki.debian.org/AptCacherNg
[21:33] <ryuo> Epx998: apt-mirror is my preference, but maybe not what you want.
[21:33] <leftyfb> ryuo: that is for mirroring
[21:34] <lordcirth_> There is also squid-deb-proxy
[21:34] <ryuo> leftyfb: yes, they asked about mirroring originally.
[21:34] <leftyfb> ryuo: right, but that might not be the best solution for them
[21:34] <keepguessing> how to know which networking solution am I using. I am referring to things like "netplan". I am on ubuntu 18.04
[21:34] <ryuo> I see.
[21:34] <Epx998> The new repo server we are making wont just serve ubuntu, its also serving other distros
[21:34] <lordcirth_> I have successfully used apt-cacher-ng on a PXE server.
[21:34] <leftyfb> keepguessing: if you haven't changed anything, you are using netplan.io
[21:34] <lordcirth_> Epx998, then squid-deb-proxy may be the right one
[21:35] <lordcirth_> It is just an HTTP cacher
[21:35] <ryuo> leftyfb: so whats the difference? AptCacherNg only caches what people actually download?
[21:35] <keepguessing> leftyfb: I have upgraded from 16.04
[21:35] <leftyfb> ryuo: correct
[21:35] <leftyfb> keepguessing: then you are using ifupdown
[21:35] <ryuo> leftyfb: ok.
[21:38] <keepguessing> leftyfb: where would be my network configuration then? I am try to configure the dns servers.
[21:40] <leftyfb> keepguessing: desktop or server?
[21:42] <ryuo> keepguessing: configure it using netplan or networkd or NetworkManager if you're going to keep using resolved.
[21:42] <leftyfb> ryuo: that isn't really helpful
[21:43] <ryuo> leftyfb: well, they're just keeping us guessing right now.
[21:43]  * ryuo coughs.
[21:43] <leftyfb> ryuo: you wait for answers to determine what is needed for the next step
[21:47] <keepguessing> leftyfb: I do not remember which one did I use.
[21:48] <leftyfb> keepguessing: Are you running a GUI?
[21:48] <keepguessing> leftyfb: I ahve been upgrading from lts->lts for couple of lts.
[21:48] <keepguessing> leftyfb: yes GUI. Oh yes its a desktop.
[21:49] <leftyfb> keepguessing: let me ask you, why do you need to set your DNS on this machine? What's wrong with the one your router gives you via dhcp?
[21:52] <leftyfb> keepguessing: this 5-10 minutes between answers really puts a damper on troubleshooting. Is this something you want to resolve now or should we wait till later when you have nothing else going on?
[21:52] <keepguessing> leftyfb: I have two interfaces and I see these dns entries here. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WFZsYFgMZf/
[21:53] <keepguessing> leftyfb: I am trying to phrase the question. Appologize for the delays.
[21:54] <leftyfb> keepguessing: what is your end goal? Why do you have to interfaces? Do they need to be static? dhcp? Why do you need to set the DNS for one or both of them as opposed to what you get via dhcp?
[21:54] <keepguessing> leftyfb: when I start a container on these vms, I see the following in the resolv.conf of the containers. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vRtXMxwhP4/
[21:55] <leftyfb> ok?
[21:55] <keepguessing> I want my containers to resolv from the ignored dns server.
[21:55] <leftyfb> huh?
[21:56] <keepguessing> So I wanted to see how one of my interface is showing three dns servers.
[21:56] <keepguessing> leftyfb: Please explain what you do not understand, I will rephrase.
[21:56] <leftyfb> Sorry, I have to step away
[21:57] <keepguessing> Sure. thanks for letting me know :-)
[22:09] <Myst_> Hi guys I havea , Lenova Yoga 520 I5-8th gen netbook, so touch screen. Shoul I be using unity or gnome to get the best out of touch screen functionality..
[22:09] <Myst_> any suggestions on this matter would be appreciated & thanks in advance
[22:11] <robertparkerx>  I found proxy_fcgi.load. Should I enable this by a2enmod proxy_fcgi? Then disable mod_php by a2dismod php7.3. I'm not sure what to add to my site.conf though for 7.3. https://hastebin.com/onuguqawot.apache -- but /var/run/php/php7.3-fpm.sock doesn't exist
[22:11] <_KaszpiR_> Myst_ ubuntu 18.04 is gnome, unity is deprecated
[22:12] <robertparkerx> I'm trying to switch from mod_php to php-fpm
[22:13] <VitoG> hi colombo
[22:13] <Colombo> Hi
[22:13] <VitoG> are you in homicide?
[22:13] <Colombo> I have brand new Ubuntu 18.04 installed
[22:13] <VitoG> ;)
[22:13] <VitoG> tv show hah
[22:13] <Colombo> I installed my favourite ubuntu-flashback
[22:13] <VitoG> colombo nice
[22:13] <Colombo> but my keybinding is not working.
[22:13] <VitoG> awww
[22:13] <VitoG> sorry to hear that
[22:14] <Colombo> It is working on other machines (16.04) and in non-flashback session on the 18.04
[22:14] <Colombo> anyone knows what might be the problem?
[22:14] <Colombo> I am trying to have my favourite ctrl+tab for terminal
[22:17] <lordcirth_> Colombo, are you referring to this? https://www.debugpoint.com/2018/05/how-to-install-classic-gnome-flashback-in-ubuntu-18-04-lts/
[22:18] <Colombo> lordcirth_: yes, ubuntu-session-flashback
[22:18] <robertparkerx>  I figured it out. I didn't have php7.3-fpm
[22:20] <victor_hue> hi
[22:21] <lordcirth_> victor_hue, hi
[22:21] <victor_hue> I am running ubuntu 18.04. I have a NVIDIA Quadro M2200 Mobile GPU
[22:23] <victor_hue> I want to install CUDA. I have tried almost everything. Installing the nvidia driver from the .run file provided by NVIDIA, installing the nvidia-driver via ubuntu-drivers... Nothing. Either I can get rid of the nouveau driver (but no nvidia driver in lsmod), or the nouveau driver is still there. And I need the nvidia driver to be loaded for CUDA
[22:23] <victor_hue> I have also tried via the Software and Updates UI
[22:24] <victor_hue> Can someone help me to install the nvidia driver? I remember that 10 years ago it was out-of-the-box ....
[22:24] <victor_hue> ... 13 years ago :\
[22:26] <lordcirth_> victor_hue, you tried installing nvidia-410.93 ? or what?
[22:27] <victor_hue> lordcirth_: ubuntu-driver provides me a list of them. nvidia-410 is part of them, but I tried some of. Do you think that this particular version has something that could make it work better?
[22:28] <lordcirth_> victor_hue, merely that it's the one the nvidia site tells you to install for that card.
[22:29] <victor_hue> lordcirth_: now I will try to install it, and well if it works, I really didn't see that explicit info
[22:29] <victor_hue> I try... if I come back, didn't work :)
[23:20] <Colombo> I have 18.04 with Ubuntu Flashback (metacity). However my specified shortcuts do not work, although they work in the default DE. Often, shift or control seems to be the problem. Anyone knows why is it?
[23:53] <apawl> I have ubuntu running on a server that seems to be dropping a lot of packets. I'm noticing this alarm going off in netdata: "number of times, during the last 10min, ksoftirq ran out of sysctl net.core.netdev_budget or time slice, with work remaining (this can be a cause for dropped packets)"
[23:53] <apawl> Ubuntu 18.04.2
[23:54] <apawl> Wondering if there's any guidance on tuning `net.core.netdev_budget` on ubuntu?
[23:55] <apawl> Looks like by default it's set to 300


[03:03] <hpidcock> wallyworld: noticed that cancel-action didn't become cancel-operation with the v3 rename of actions. I'll add it to the spec for operation interruption
[03:06] <wallyworld> hpidcock: yeah, that got missed :-(
[03:31] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld: free to HO for 1min?
[03:32] <wallyworld> kelvinliu_: sure, give me 5
[03:33] <kelvinliu_> ok
[04:10] <wallyworld> kelvinliu_: or hpidcock: this PR adds a pod-spec-get command. can't land till after 2.7.0 ships so no rush https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10953
[04:10] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld: looking now
[04:13] <hpidcock> sorry xwayland locked up had to reboot
[04:20] <wallyworld> yay wayland
[04:35] <hpidcock> wallyworld: when you talk about task vs operation, operation could be against multiple units? and task is against the individual unit?
[04:40] <wallyworld> hpidcock: yeah, operation is a top level grouping of tasks. juju call creates an operation. the actual code that runs on any given uinit is a task. there's still discussion to be had as to whether we allow a task to create a "sub" task
[04:42] <hpidcock> task-inception
[05:15] <hpidcock> wallyworld: it doesn't seem the concept of grouped "tasks" as an "operation" has been done yet. Is that planned for this cycle?
[05:15] <wallyworld> hpidcock: that's what the new spec is for :-)
[05:15] <wallyworld> in the 20.04 folder
[05:15] <hpidcock> ahah yep
[07:06] <hpidcock> wallyworld: I've updated the doc, should be simple enough to implement I think.
[08:56] <dosaboy> wallyworld: babbageclunk that was the problem :)
[08:56] <dosaboy> thank you
[09:10] <achilleasa> manadart: is this what you had in mind about 10942? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10942/commits/43d47dcd6178841e3b060200e0be84f534b1d9ec
[09:12] <manadart> achilleasa: Yes, that will do it.
[09:41] <nammn_de1> manadart: here I only added the export steps https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10943 so qa only has test for regression. Would you suggest adding the import steps to another PR  or just in this PR as well?
[09:46] <wallyworld> achilleasa: hey, quick question. UniterAPIV12 comment says the LXDProfileAPI hs been removed but it's still embedded in the API struct. It's been taken out in V13. I have a PR where I am doing a V14 and as a driveby can remove from V12 if that's correct to do. or else I will move the incorrect comment. do you know what's correct?
[09:47] <wallyworld> PR is https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10953
[09:51] <achilleasa> wallyworld: sorry; no clue about it. however, it seems to be missing from the V12 struct: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/b67e487e19f1835a66c7cd415c70730548c3aa57/apiserver/facades/agent/uniter/uniter.go#L88
[09:52] <wallyworld> achilleasa: it is there in 2.7 so I think we can assume devel was updated but not 2.7 maybe
[09:52] <wallyworld> it seems like it's safe to remove
[09:52] <wallyworld> i didn't check develop as i've got 2.7 checkout out urrently
[09:53] <achilleasa> wallyworld: I think so too. Looks like it has been replaced by a different set of methods anyway
[09:53] <wallyworld> yeah, it has, the imlementation was reworked and the old one removed
[09:54] <wallyworld> thanks for the input. i just wanted to double check removing from V12 was correct, seems like it is
[10:10] <stickupkid> manadart, https://github.com/juju/cmd/pull/68
[10:16] <manadart> stickupkid: Done.
[10:17] <stickupkid> manadart, let's see if this lands as you don't have a green tick :|
[10:17] <manadart> stickupkid: Busted down.
[10:26] <achilleasa> jam: I have pushed a bunch of commits to 10902 to address your comments. Can you take a look if I missed anything so I can land the PR?
[10:27] <stickupkid> manadart, I've brought the changes in now - https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10955
[10:36] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: moment, when did we start having a master ? :D
[10:50] <nammn_de1> oh damn i missread, nvm me
[11:28] <stickupkid> manadart, when processing relations (updating external controllers) and it fails after this, we'll leave the CMR in a broken state
[11:29] <stickupkid> manadart, trying to think how/if we can do something different, I know they're supposed to be idempotent, I'm unsure how this can be
[11:30] <manadart> stickupkid: Yes, jam and I spoke about this. We will have to ensure the pre-checks are tight. Then for connectivity issues *to* the external controllers during the change, we can re-try.
[11:30] <stickupkid> :(
[11:31] <manadart> stickupkid: Or roll them back, or something. We just can't break it.
[11:31] <stickupkid> manadart, let me see if rollback is possible
[11:33] <manadart> stickupkid: I haven't looked into it yet, but is it possible to be passive with regard to the consumers, let them get a re-direct from the source controller and update themselves?
[11:33] <stickupkid> manadart, we do have ABORT and REAPFAILED
[11:33] <stickupkid> manadart,  thinking
[11:34] <jam> achilleasa: reviewd
[11:36] <achilleasa> jam: thanks for the review. I will apply your suggestions and push
[11:39] <stickupkid> manadart, i'm unsure you know, we're going to have to keep the old firewall rules around for the redirect, this doesn't seem very clever
[11:39] <stickupkid> manadart, if you migrate a lot of things around, you'll just have a sieve
[14:37] <achilleasa> manadart: any suggestions for modifying params/network.go:Network config to align with my recent changes? Presumably, the machiner worker might be running an older jujud binary prior to updating the model
[14:37] <achilleasa> I could add additional fields (Addresses, ShadowAddresses) and retain "Address" for backwards compatibility
[15:21] <nammn_de1> manadart stickupkid: I think this is ready for a review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10943 QA steps are added.  It migrated the rules in the Database, are there additional steps which I have missed?
[15:21] <nammn_de1> QA steps describe my mind flow
[15:26] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, looks great
[15:28] <nammn_de1> Because I thought that the responsible worker picks up the database changes (addition) somewhere and thus apply those firewall changes. Therefore no need for me to additionally check that. But maybe need to doublecheck that
[15:29] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, you tested on aws?
[15:29] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: only lxd
[15:29] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: i can spin up the same qa steps from the description in aws
[15:29] <nammn_de1> to be safe
[15:29] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, yes please
[15:30] <nammn_de1> any other qa steps needed beside the `juju list-firewall-rules`  being the same on the src and dst?
[15:30] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, we should verify that the firewall rules are actually applied
[15:30] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: makes sense
[15:30] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, with aws, you can check the console
[15:30] <nammn_de1> stickupkid:  ohhh great to know
[15:31] <nammn_de1> just for understanding. Most of our juju magic works through a worker which checks the database and does something upon it, right?
[15:31] <nammn_de1> like i add a firewall rule to the db and a worker picks that up and create that rule on the specific provider
[15:32] <stickupkid> yeah, that's the theory
[15:33] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: haha okay
[15:33] <manadart> achilleasa: I think that will work. We just use omitempty and add a comment about retention for compatibility + removing Address in Juju 3.0.
[15:42] <danboid> I can't destroy a model, even when using --force
[15:43] <danboid> I was trying to deploy the openstack bundle, so I'm good to nuke and pave
[15:44] <danboid> How do you do that though? Is it enough to release all the MAAS machines and delete ~/.local/juju or is there anything else? Maybe its better to purge juju from my machine too?
[15:46] <danboid> I couldn't deploy the charm because the model is 'destroying'
[15:48] <danboid> Is it safe/correct to remove ~/.local/juju if you want to start over?
[16:07] <danboid> I think I fixed it
[16:14] <rick_h> danboid:  no, just juju unregister
[16:15] <rick_h> danboid:  and then release the MAAS machines
[16:15] <rick_h> danboid:  let me know if you hit it and want to pull info to see if there's a bug/etc
[16:15] <rick_h> danboid:  what juju version?
[16:21] <achilleasa> manadart: should we assign shadow addresses to the alpha space?
[16:21] <achilleasa> Since they don't really belong to a space, can we use alpha as a fallback?
[16:22] <manadart> achilleasa: Hmm. jam and I spoke about the notion of external spaces.
[16:22] <manadart> I think yes.
[16:23] <manadart> But they will not have a subnet to link them via that mechanism.
[16:23] <manadart> I think this should be OK. Let me think about it.
[16:27] <danboid> rick_h, The OS bundle is deploying now. We'll see how it went in the morning. I'm sure I'll be recommending a few tweaks to the docs at the end - I've already got a couple of things I think should be added
[16:27] <rick_h> danboid:  cool
[17:10] <nammn_de1> achilleasa manadart did you guys ever interact with the firewallrules of juju in aws? `juju set-firewall-rule`?
[17:11] <achilleasa> nammn_de1: not me; sorry
[17:13] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, you should see a security group inside the ec2 instance, check that has the right input/output ports
[17:14] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: firewall rules does not set ports afact
[17:15] <nammn_de1> so i cannot seem to find any mapping between those
[17:15] <nammn_de1> on the first glance adding a firewall rule and having none shows the same sg
[17:16] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/dca1ee163dd2f6abdc989d3580d9a56e3ec22864/provider/ec2/environ.go#L1555
[17:16] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/dca1ee163dd2f6abdc989d3580d9a56e3ec22864/provider/ec2/environ.go#L1626
[17:23] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: hmm
[17:26] <nammn_de1> cannot find any connection to the firewallrule from state
[17:29] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, check the workers
[17:29] <nammn_de1> this should be the responsible worker https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/52602ea0fb7b79f9fa55040dc4a817d80a4422e4/worker/firewaller/firewaller.go#L221
[17:29] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, ho?
[17:30] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: sure