[11:04] <facubatista> ¡Muy buenos días a todos!
[12:32] <mthaddon> cory_fu: can you let me know if I'm doing something wrong using https://github.com/juju-solutions/resource-oci-image/ in https://code.launchpad.net/~mthaddon/charm-k8s-openldap/+git/charm-k8s-openldap/+merge/395418 ? I don't think it's passing in the correct username and password, but I'm not sure how to determine what it is passing in
[12:44] <mthaddon> cory_fu: er, I suppose I should explain the problem I'm having... getting "Error: ErrImagePull" in juju status from "juju deploy cs:~mthaddon/openldap; juju deploy cs:~postgresql-charmers/postgresql-k8s postgresql; juju add-relation openldap:db postgresql:db" in a k8s model
[16:51] <mthaddon> bthomas: do you know if there's a way of doing https://github.com/canonical/prometheus-operator/blob/master/actions/reload-config in the operator framework itself rather than as a standalone script like that? (i.e. execute a command on a k8s pod and check the output)
[16:53] <bthomas> mthaddon: From what I remember actions were not supported in the Python framework. Chipaca may have created and issue for this. I have not checked if the situation has changed in a recent version.
[16:53] <mthaddon> ack, let me see if I can find a relevant issue
[16:55] <mthaddon> I can't find anything relevant, I'll file an issue - thx
[16:55] <bthomas> looking myself but do not find any such issue
[17:00] <mup> Issue operator#464 opened: How to run a command on a k8s instance via an action <Created by mthaddon> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/464>
[17:21] <cory_fu> mthaddon: I'm out, but the helper only fetches and slightly transforms the data it gets from the Juju resource to match the format expected by the pod-spec.  If you're getting an ErrImagePull it means either the resource info is missing, wrong, or your cluster can't talk to whatever image repo the resource is pointing at.  `charm show cs:~mthaddon/openldap resources` shows a resource and `charm pull-resource cs:~mthaddon/openldap openldap
[17:21] <cory_fu> -image` works fine for me locally ("Status: Downloaded newer image for registry.jujucharms.com/mthaddon/openldap/openldap-image@sha256:78364e2d5df6362a0cbff65285e9c22904af05ae6a28e91a7263a6ba04bb2495") so it sounds like your cluster can't talk to registry.jujucharms.com for some reason.
[17:24] <cory_fu> mthaddon: Usage in the MR looks fine. HTH
[17:40] <mthaddon> cory_fu: thx for the info, will dig a bit deeper
[23:43] <jldev> mthaddon: super late response, but the issue with actions isn't correctable in the framework. They are not currently supported by Juju on K8s. I believe they were in-cycle to get added, I'll follow up with the team tomorrow.


[21:24] <krakrjak> So is Natty a bad Ubuntu release or the worst Ubuntu release?
[21:37] <kwadroke> not sure, I switched to Lubuntu
[21:38] <kwadroke> why? having problems?
[21:43] <krakrjak> Well there is at least one HUGE showstopper that cost me a couple of days.
[21:43] <krakrjak> Natty cannot boot (even though it's grub2) from a mirrored boot.
[21:43] <krakrjak> so if you want an mdadm raid1 for /boot to store kernels and boot loader you can do that.
[21:44] <krakrjak> You just can't actually get it to boot.
[21:44] <krakrjak> It's a bug in the version of grub they pulled post squeeze release from Debian.
[21:44] <krakrjak> when the debian tree is the most volatile.
[21:45] <kwadroke> ah
[21:45] <krakrjak> Unity is also crap.  Thankfully I'm a KDE SC user so no biggie there.
[21:45] <kwadroke> then hopefully there will be a patch soon
[21:45] <krakrjak> weyland is not as stable as the xorg servers.
[21:46] <krakrjak> The bug is marked as critical and has been since before the release and there is no patch yet.
[21:46] <kwadroke> I switched before unity came out
[21:46] <kwadroke> grab a deb from debian maybe?
[21:46] <krakrjak> Unity is nifty and I've heard that Unity+Compiz is actually quite nice to use.
[21:46] <krakrjak> maybe
[21:46] <krakrjak> not possible when you can't boot
[21:47] <krakrjak> I punted and made two partitions and instead of RAIDing them wrote some hook scripts to sync the partitions when new kernels are installed.
[21:48] <krakrjak> Also the version of arno-iptables that was sync'd from Debian post release is also broken and the ipv6 support just doesn't work.  Works in Debian squeeze just fine on dual-stacked hosts.
[21:48] <kwadroke> is it hardware or software raid?
[21:48] <krakrjak> software
[21:49] <kwadroke> oh, yeah mdadm
[21:49] <krakrjak> that really doesn't mean as much as it used to.  mdadm raid can be hardware raid now.
[21:49] <krakrjak> they added support for the integrated intel controllers to manage them under mdadm.
[21:49] <krakrjak> also many of the HP controllers can be managed with mdadm now.
[21:50] <kwadroke> cool
[21:50] <krakrjak> How's Lubuntu?
[21:51] <kwadroke> only times I messed with it was for software raid
[21:51] <kwadroke> works pretty well more me. the grub issue would still exist on it too since it's based off of ubuntu
[21:52] <kwadroke> I got tired of the gnome bloat
[21:52] <kwadroke> lxde is a lot lighter weight
[21:52] <krakrjak> oohh and one more bug.  Was fixed with an update last week.  haskell-platform wasn't installable.
[21:52] <krakrjak> I've heard that lxde is nice.
[21:52] <krakrjak> I'm just too hardcore KDE to go to anything else these days.
[21:53] <krakrjak> Clementine instead of Amarok.
[21:53] <kwadroke> I left kde back in the 3.5 days
[21:53] <kwadroke> when ubuntu 5.04 came out
[21:54] <krakrjak> 3.5...  that's too bad.  You got to miss out on the broken 4.0/4.1/4.2 releases.
[21:54] <krakrjak> 3.6,7,8,9 were all good solid releases and when I really fell in love with KDE.
[21:55] <kwadroke> only reason I used kde was that's what Knoppix used at the time
[21:55] <krakrjak> I switched to it from blackbox/afterstep/gnome 1.x
[21:56] <kwadroke> and there wasn't a whole lot of differences between kde & gnome at that time
[21:56] <krakrjak> I liked those, but they lacked the tweakability.
[21:56] <kwadroke> kde had tweakability
[21:56] <krakrjak> I hear that from a lot of people, but I find gnome to be limiting in that you can't change the behavior of the gnome-shell without modifying code in many cases.
[21:56] <kwadroke> but that eventually made me want to switch to something simplier
[21:57] <kwadroke> never used gnome shell
[21:57] <kwadroke> I got tired of customizing when I have several pcs, so gnome felt like a better fit
[21:58] <kwadroke> I can do a lot of customizing with lxde/openbox if I want
[21:59] <kwadroke> I got to the point of basically building my own lxde
[21:59] <kwadroke> but it started overlapping too much so I just converted it back
[22:00] <krakrjak> I have found that I just need to make the customizations and replicate my .kde directories that have configurations I want to the systems I'm using KDE on.
[22:00] <krakrjak> That works out well and fits the model I use for my skel
[22:01] <krakrjak> https://www.gitorious.org/krakrjak-skel
[22:01] <kwadroke> good idea
[22:01] <krakrjak> I just keep a git repo of program customizations and pick the parts I want for target systems.  So I can do the customizations once and have then anywhere I want.
[22:02] <krakrjak> Well, I'm going AFK for a bit.  Time to leave work.  TTYL
[22:02]  * krakrjak waves
[22:02] <kwadroke> most of my systems are for different things so that wouldn't work for me
[22:02] <kwadroke> yeah, I'm out too. gota go to LR
[22:02] <krakrjak> it might for just shell customizations.
[22:02] <krakrjak> have a safe trip
[22:02] <kwadroke> ?me waves back
[22:02]  * kwadroke waves back
[22:02] <kwadroke> cya later


[01:14] <phillw> when bdmurray is away all the bug team scarper... :D
[05:47] <infinity> superm1: Is anyone doing 12.04.3 testing for mythbuntu?
[05:49] <infinity> Riddell: Kubuntu 12.04.3 testing seems a bit light.
[05:49] <infinity> knome: Are Xubuntu 12.04.3 alternates being tested too?
[07:42] <ara> hello!
[07:42] <ara> is 12.04.3 release happening today?
[07:43] <ara> there was some conversations about maybe delaying it?
[08:21] <ara> wgrant, is the 12.04.3 release happening today?
[08:22]  * Laney wonders how to unstick RUNNING tests
[08:24] <seb128> Laney, retry the test in jenkins?
[08:24] <seb128> Laney, which one is that?
[08:24] <Laney> how?
[08:24] <Laney> see glib2.0 @ excuses
[08:25] <seb128> Laney, e.g http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/Saucy/view/AutoPkgTest/job/saucy-adt-chromium-browser/10/matrix-reloaded/?
[08:25] <seb128> Laney, click "rebuild matrix"
[08:25] <Laney> hahaha
[08:25] <Laney> seriously?
[08:25] <seb128> well,  that's what pitti told me the other day
[08:26] <Laney> ok i tried it for glib
[08:28] <seb128> I did it for chromium
[09:11] <TheDrums> infinity: Re: Xubuntu: < elfy> kn0me: not getting far with the alternate tests for 12.04.3 -> http://imagebin.org/268366
[12:43] <superm1> infinity: yeah we'll make sure iso's get checked today
[12:59] <tkamppeter> jdstrand, you have moved bug 711061 to sarnold and there is still no reaction and we have FF next week. I have already updated to GS 9.09 final.
[12:59] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 711061 in openjpeg (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libopenjpeg2" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711061
[13:18] <diwic> Hi, I uploaded a PulseAudio 12.04 SRU almost a month ago - what is the current waiting time for this to be approved and move into proposed
[13:18] <diwic> ?
[13:20] <stgraber> diwic: 12.04 has been frozen for the past couple of weeks in preparation for 12.04.3, and AFAIK that SRU wasn't a blocker for that
[13:20] <stgraber> diwic: I'd expect things to get back to normal next week
[13:20] <diwic> stgraber, no, not really, even if it would be nice to have it in 12.04.3, it isn't really a blocker
[13:20] <jdstrand> tkamppeter: it is at the top of sarnold's list
[13:21] <diwic> stgraber, it's more a blocker for 12.04.4, but I hope you'll have it through by then ;-)
[13:22] <stgraber> we definitely should ;)
[13:22] <diwic> thanks.
[13:24] <smartboyhw> stgraber, slangasek if we found a mandatory testcase failing, we can't release that image right?
[13:27] <stgraber> smartboyhw: it's usually up to the product owner
[13:27] <smartboyhw> stgraber, OK.
[13:28] <superm1> infinity: things arent' looking that good.  it look like 3.8 caused a problem with our installer https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1215440 so i'll need to investigate
[13:28] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1215440 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Mythbuntu 12.04.03 candidate install fails" [Undecided,New]
[13:31] <smartboyhw> stgraber, then, would it be possible to fix that failing bug if it is found in debian-installer?
[13:31] <smartboyhw> I don't know about d-i, but you guys most certainly do.
[13:32] <xnox> do you have a bug #?
[13:32] <smartboyhw> xnox, Bug 1215418
[13:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1215418 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Guided install with KVM and encryption failed in Kubuntu 12.04.3 pre-release alternate image" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215418
[13:35] <stgraber> superm1: can you get /var/log/upstart/* on that system to see why mysql failed to start?
[13:36] <superm1> stgraber: it's actually during install that it failed to start in it's bootstrap environment.  i think it is because we had a workaround for bug 663069 in it but that bug has been fixed by 3.8 now
[13:36] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 663069 in linux (Ubuntu) ""non-accessable symlink" errors when using aufs-shaddowed read-only root filesystem" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663069
[13:41] <superm1> er maybe not, that should be removed but not hte root failure
[13:41] <superm1> i'll see if i can get the upstart log
[14:17] <xnox> stgraber: infinity: seems like kubuntu-alternate is a bit mismatched, upon install I get "no packages matching running kernel 3.2.0-52-generic in archive" and in the cdrom pool there seems to be two versions: linux-meta at <IP_ADDRESS>.62 & linux at 3.2.0-52.78, no idea if it matters.
[14:19] <xnox> udebs are 3.2.0-37.58
[14:19] <xnox> uname -a is 3.2.0-52-generic
[14:19] <xnox> slangasek: ^
[14:19] <smartboyhw> xnox, that's not jjust Kubuntu-alternate, it's Xubuntu-alternate too
[14:20] <smartboyhw> I think...
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Since phillw is testing that and he found the bug there
[14:26] <xnox> stgraber: infinity: seems like ubuntu switched to enabled stack, and before kernel bumps were done in "ubuntu" seed and inherited "for-free", which is not the case for Kubuntu/Xubuntu alternates anymore since they got a static copies of boot/installer. I'm guessing a kernel bump is needed which i'm not sure how to do.
[14:26] <xnox> ( update seed, reupload meta, rebuild the cd?! )
[14:28] <phillw> yikes!
[14:28] <smartboyhw> yikes~!
[14:28] <phillw> xnox: should I abort testing until re-spin?
[14:29] <xnox> well, that "only" affects alternate images, the desktop images should be all fine. Also images that use enablement stack are not affected (ubuntu/edubuntu).
[14:29] <xnox> which boils down to kubuntu/xubuntu alternates, it's not a bug in d-i.
[14:29] <xnox> so not respinning the "world"
[14:30] <phillw> xnox: that's fine. I'll zsync up the xubuntu-alterante-amd64 if it is going to be respun to sort out the kernel mismatch?
[14:31] <smartboyhw> xnox, can you fix the encryption bug at the same time?
[15:27] <rtg> sarnold, infinity, jdstrand: uploaded apparmor according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/1214979/comments/6
[15:28] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1214979 in apparmor (Ubuntu Precise) "Feature buffer full in precise with LTS kernel" [Undecided,In progress]
[15:48] <phillw> xnox: are the alternates for k/xubuntu going to be respun?
[15:50] <xnox> phillw: how would i know. (a) i'm not product driver (b) i can't respin anything
[15:50] <phillw> okies :)
[15:51] <smartboyhw> phillw, I think knome and Riddell can request for re-spins
[15:54] <Riddell> except I can never remember how :)
[15:54] <smartboyhw> Duh
[15:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, in the ISO QA Tracker
[15:54] <smartboyhw> Tick the Kubuntu alternates
[15:54] <smartboyhw> At the bottom you see "Request for rebuild"
[15:54] <Riddell> got it thanks
[15:55] <Riddell> kubuntu and xubuntu alternates rebuilding
[15:55] <knome> Riddell, thanks :)
[15:59] <phillw> Riddell: thanks, I can only do lubuntu ones :)
[16:00]  * smartboyhw can only do Studio and Kylin...
[16:04] <xnox> Riddell: from the build log looks better.
[16:04] <xdatap1> Hi guys, do you know if Ubuntu Desktop i386 and amd64 is going to respin again before the 12.04.3 release?
[16:55] <Riddell> I need to go out for about 3 hours, back about 2000UTC
[17:03] <infinity> xdatap1: Almost certainly not, unless there's some massive showstopper.
[17:04] <xdatap1> infinity, thanks
[17:05] <infinity> xdatap1: slangasek would know for sure, though, this point release is his baby.
[17:07] <xdatap1> slangasek, Hi, do you know if Ubuntu Desktop i386 and amd64 is going to respin again before the 12.04.3 release? I'm in charge of the italian loco team image and waiting to build the final one
[17:07] <xnox> infinity: i think i successfully managed to bump kernel installer seeds for kubuntu & xubuntu alternate images. Since they are not using enablement kernels, they need to be bumped individually on precise now that they don't inherit them from platform seeds.
[17:07] <xnox> infinity: not sure who should do that in the future, but shotgun not me.
[17:10] <infinity> xnox: I should have caught it, I didn't think about the fact that they had their own installer seed due to not using enablement kernels.
[17:10] <xnox> infinity: ok. well they have been respun and look good now.
[17:10] <infinity> xnox: The proper solution is likely to just move them to enablement kernels before .4 and clean up that mess, but if they'd prefer not to, I just need to remember they're unique snowflakes. :P
[17:10] <xnox> =))))
[17:10] <xnox> speaking of unique snowflakes.
[17:11] <infinity> (I know kubuntu wanted to, it's just that no one's done the work to make it so, I have on idea what xubuntu wanted to do)
[17:11] <infinity> s/on/no/
[17:11] <xnox> I've updated wubi to stop using disk-preinstalls (which have not been build since 12.04.0), moved the metalinks to 12.04.3, tested on Windows7 and now waiting for IS to sign the new wubi.exe.
[17:11] <knome> i have no objections on that, as long as it works
[17:11] <infinity> xnox: Anyhow, thanks for hunting it down and fixing while slangasek and I were asleep. :)
[17:12] <xnox> infinity: hehe.
[17:12] <xnox> infinity: so moving xubuntu should be easy, but kubuntu is using pae gernels which don't exist in enablement stacks....
[17:12] <knome> i think we use pae for 12.04 as well
[17:12]  * xnox giggles at gernels, I meant kernels
[17:12] <knome> if that's what you're referring to
[17:13] <infinity> xnox: Yeah, there would be a few options there.  We could just do a hard cutover and say "if you want -pae kernels install <= 12.04.3), or we could use enablement only on amd64 images (ew) for secure boot.
[17:14] <xnox> knome: not sure, kubuntu seed has "-generic-pae" and xubuntu seed has "-generic"
[17:14] <infinity> xnox: But it's really up to the flavours in question to twiddle that, fix their installer support as necessary, and move themselves forward, not much for ubuntu folks to do there, except advise and review.
[17:14] <xnox> infinity: yeah, agree. I looked into this to buy time, and nobody else seemed to be aroundish
[17:14] <infinity> xnox: For xubuntu, it should be simple enough, given it's the GTK ubiquity, kubuntu might need to put a bit more effort in, if we failed to abstract the SB stuff well enough.
[17:14] <knome> if it doesn't matter if xubuntu uses what it uses in 12.04 now, let's not change that
[17:15] <infinity> knome: It's not world-ending if you stay on 3.2 forever, no, and it's just a matter of me remembering you have a different installer seed. :)
[17:15] <knome> :)
[17:15] <infinity> knome: Not moving to enablement kernels means you can't install xubuntu/precise on secureboot machines, but if your users are the types who'd be happy to use Q/R instead for new amd64 hardware (or mess with their BIOSes), it's pretty much a non-issue.
[17:16] <xnox> knome: sure, it's just ~xubuntu-dev should watch for security&updates uploads of the original ubuntu kernel & bump the ABI numbers when that happens in the seeds.
[17:16] <knome> i would say it's a non-issue, nobody told they need to do that:)
[17:16] <knome> xnox, right... so it's either that or move to the new enablement stuff?
[17:16] <infinity> xnox: I tend to handle all those seed changes, I don't expect them to track them.
[17:16] <xnox> ok.
[17:16] <infinity> xnox: I'll just remember next time. :P
[17:16] <knome> okay. infinity, thanks :)
[17:16] <xnox> infinity: i shall remind you ;-)
[17:17] <infinity> (I don't think I ever knew they had a forked installer seed, since it was Colin who did this all for 12.04.2)
[17:17] <infinity> And knowledge is power.  Or something.
[17:17] <infinity> So a few more of us know now. :)
[17:17] <knome> secrets unraveling!
[17:19] <xnox> infinity: can you add hint to ignore autopkg results for ubiquity 2.15.14, it's stuck "RUNNING" even though it clearly finished and passed.
[17:19] <infinity> I have better "never have to touch the seeds again" plans for kernel/d-i syncing half done right now in S, and by 14.04, it should be hands-off, so this really is only an issue for one more precise point release and then we can stop faffing about with it, which will be pleasant.
[17:19] <phillw> bug 1215453 can be marked as working, by xubuntu is in the final stages and that was an early pop-up alert :)
[17:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1215453 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "No Kernel Modules were found" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215453
[17:20] <phillw> s/by/my
[17:21] <infinity> xnox: Yeahp, can do.  Inconvenient to have both jibel and cjwatson on vacation at the same time, when they seem to be the only two people who grasp how this all fits together.
[17:21] <xnox> indeed =)
[17:21] <knome> vacation? cool.
[17:21] <phillw> I'll try bug 1215418 next.
[17:21] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1215418 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Guided install with KVM and encryption failed in Kubuntu 12.04.3 pre-release alternate image" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215418
[17:22] <xnox> infinity: actually vacations is a good thing to test bus-factor.
[17:23] <infinity> xnox: Generally, I agree, sucks when you're testing the shared knowledge of a brand new system/process, though, cause it takes a while to filter that stuff around.
[17:23] <infinity> xnox: Anyhow, skip hint committed.
[17:24] <xnox> thanks =) !
[17:45] <bdmurray> slangasek: do you have any opinion on the verification of bug 1003296?  Its rather weak.
[17:45] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1003296 in samba (Ubuntu Precise) "lightdm crashed with SIGSEGV in _pam_winbind_change_pwd() when password is expiring" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1003296
[18:15] <slangasek> stgraber, xnox: do you know why the kubuntu precise amd64+mac rebuild is "pending" instead of "current"?
[18:16] <slangasek> xnox: erm, what's this about wubi not using disk preinstalls?  I thought we were meant to be using those exclusively
[18:18] <slangasek> xnox: furthermore, there *are* 12.04.2 tarballs on release.u.c
[18:18] <slangasek> precise/ubuntu-12.04.2-wubi-i386.tar.xz
[18:19] <bdmurray> Is the release of verified Precise SRUs being held back for the point release?
[18:19] <stgraber> slangasek: where are you seeing amd64+mac kubuntu precise?
[18:20] <slangasek> stgraber: kubuntu/precise/daily/20130822//precise-alternate-amd64+mac.iso; whereas the current/ dir symlinks to the 20130820.2 version
[18:20] <slangasek> bdmurray: yes, please
[18:21] <stgraber> slangasek: that'd be because they triggered a rebuild on the tracker and only selected amd64 and i386 so only those two got rebuilt
[18:21] <slangasek> bdmurray: 1003296> I wouldn't consider that a proper verification
[18:22] <slangasek> stgraber: erm, confusing.  So the image in the 20130822 directory is also the one from 21030820.2, sigh
[18:22] <stgraber> slangasek: yep, that's what happens with partial rebuilds...
[18:22] <slangasek> stgraber: if you're on the page already, could you kick a rebuild of amd64+mac?
[18:23] <stgraber> slangasek: I can but why do we care if they don't intend to relesae it for 12.04.3?
[18:23] <stgraber> if they do intend to release it, it should be on the manifest and added to the 12.04.3 milestone or it won't be picked up by publish-release
[18:24] <slangasek> stgraber: ah, if it's not in the manifest then fine
[18:24] <stgraber> all good then
[18:25] <slangasek> still, it's very confusing to have the image copied forwarded to $serial+1, have pending symlinked to $serial+1, and have current directory created with symlinks to a mixture of $serial and $serial+1
[18:30] <stgraber> yep, it can be confusing. I think the tracker is doing the right thing as it asks for rebuilds of what the user selected, the current symlinks also do what you'd expect (point to the latest built version for the given file), it's just the whole carying stuff forward that's a bit odd and we may be able to drop now
[18:31] <stgraber> (as people should be using /current or know to go look at a previous build if a given file isn't there)
[18:31] <slangasek> yeah... let's not rush to judgement while in the middle of a milestone release, though
[18:32] <stgraber> sure, it's the kind of change that cjwatson probably has an opinion on and that should be discussed with the rest of the usual release/cdimage people
[18:32] <slangasek> xnox: so for the record, we have wubi preinstall candidates: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/precise/wubi/20130820/ - I think your change to drop disk preinstall support needs to be reverted.
[18:33] <slangasek> xnox: I'm poking the RT to ask IS to hold off
[18:33] <stgraber> slangasek: should I get wubi back on the manifest and get those published to the tracker?
[18:33] <slangasek> stgraber: yes please (why/when was wubi removed from the manifest?)
[18:33] <slangasek> strange, I can't view the RT
[18:35] <stgraber> not sure why and no idea when. I didn't tweak the manifest for 12.04.3 so I'm assuming we inherited it from 12.04.2 unless someone did some cleanup in between without actually thinking about wubi
[18:35] <slangasek> ok
[18:47] <infinity> stgraber: With current now doing vaguely the right thing, I'd be in favor of serial directories only containing images that belonged to that build set.  Definitely would want Colin's input too, though.
[18:48] <infinity> (And, of course, that change would make current stop doing the right thing again, so that would need a bit of munging :P)
[18:53] <xnox> slangasek: there were none on cdimage, are there tarballs for 12.04.3?
[18:53] <xnox> slangasek: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/precise/wubi/current/ last modified 16-march-2013
[18:54] <slangasek> xnox: yes, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/precise/wubi/20130820/ + http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/ubuntu-12.04.2-wubi-amd64.tar.xz
[18:54] <slangasek> xnox: can you please revert that bit quickly?
[18:54] <xnox> sure.
[18:54] <slangasek> xnox: thanks :)
[18:59] <xnox> slangasek: one sec checking something.
[19:01] <xnox> slangasek: that tarball (i386.tar.xz) says 12.04.2 in /etc/lsb-release, whilst normal desktop.iso has 12.04.3
[19:02] <slangasek> xnox: so I guess we should respin the tarballs themselves
[19:02] <slangasek> not sure why that wasn't done already, but kicking off a build right now
[19:02] <slangasek> ok?
[19:02] <xnox> slangasek: ok. thanks.
[19:02] <infinity> Should be DIST=precise SUBPROJECT=wubi for-project ubuntu cron.daily-live --live
[19:03] <infinity> Maybe you missed it in your last run?
[19:03] <infinity> Or maybe there's no way to do it from the tracker, and you're not driving manually?
[19:03] <xnox> yeah, tracker doesn't list wubi as far as I can see.
[19:15] <slangasek> infinity: I was driving from the console; and I did do a wubi build, so dunno why it had the right contents
[19:16] <xnox> slangasek: wubi build updated, emailed RT as well.
[19:20] <slangasek> xnox: thanks!
[19:22] <xnox> oh and wubi back in the manifest, thanks stgraber.
[19:22]  * xnox really should read scrollback first, then talk.
[19:23] <xnox> instead of just highlights.
[19:28] <slangasek> :-)
[19:28] <phillw> does wubi need testing? I've got a loan XP machine I can use, but my download speed would be ~3 hours to grab an entire ISO
[19:31] <phillw> can wubi use an iso on CD?
[19:32] <xnox> phillw: we want to test the tarballs, not the iso. it can, if you copy wubi off the cd and launch it from the desktop.
[19:32] <xnox> (whilst having the cd inserted)
[19:33] <xnox> phillw: it's ok, i can test fast in windows7 VM
[19:33] <phillw> xnox: okies :)
[19:40] <rtg> slangasek, linux-goldfish uploaded ^^
[19:40] <xnox> rtg: \o/ awesome
[19:41] <xnox> rtg: armhf & i386 ?
[19:41] <rtg> xnox, I haven't been able to test it, so lemme know if it works. armhf only
[19:41] <rtg> are you wanting i386 as well ?
[19:41] <xnox> rtg: ok. cool. Once it's build, I'll test it and will let you know how it goes.
[19:42] <xnox> rtg: I don't want i386, but plenty of people are thinking about using i386 in the emulator..... we don't have ubuntu-touch-rootfs for i368 yet, so it's of lower priority at the moment.
[19:43] <rtg> xnox, ok, I'll wait until someone hollers (or bribes me)
[19:43] <xnox> rtg: ;-) good plan
[19:55]  * xnox giggles "Windows 7" has turned my desktop black with a sign "This copy of Windows is not genuine" because I opted to not activate it online.  Yet it still offers to download updates =)
[19:56] <sarnold> xnox: before long it'll start turning off every few hours
[19:56] <xnox> sarnold: nice. Well I snapshot my install, cause spending ~40 minutes installing + applying updates is a pain.
[19:56] <sarnold> xnox: good plan :)
[19:56]  * xnox ubuntu installs in <<8minutes from boot to final login screen on the same VM setup
[21:41] <xnox> slangasek: infinity: something odd is with wubi build.
[21:41] <xnox> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/precise/wubi/20130604/MD5SUMS
[21:41] <xnox> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/precise/wubi/20130822/MD5SUMS
[21:42] <xnox> both are identical.
[21:42] <xnox> slangasek: verified that updated wubi.exe downloads & does tarball based install.
[21:48] <slangasek> xnox: so nusakan is lying about having built it? hmph
[21:48] <slangasek> xnox: anyway, thanks for the verification that wubi.exe itself works; now let's look at some logs
[21:49] <slangasek> hmm, livefs build dispatched successfully, then the download failed
[21:50]  * xnox was under impression that wubi tarball builds were killed with fire and we switched / support cd-rom based builds only..... but then that was for post-precise. no idea what happened with precise.
[21:50] <slangasek> xnox: yes, killed with fire in that we didn't want to continue supporting it as a separate build time going forward and wanted to downplay wubi as an install method... but for precise it's meant to still work
[22:03] <slangasek> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/precise/ubuntu-wubi/20130822/livecd-20130822-amd64.out looks quite complete and correct
[22:06] <xnox> agree
[22:08] <slangasek> the target directories on the livefs builders likewise have correct contents
[22:09] <slangasek> so something's going pearshaped on nusakan itself
[23:26] <slangasek> xnox: wubi fixed (manually); now to figure out the source of this bug
[23:35] <Riddell> kubuntu images all good for me (although not tested wubi)


[00:10] <jgdx> kenvandine, a bit late: https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/libqofono-0.70-ready/+merge/246371
[00:44] <pngo_> I'm using rsync to copy my files. when I create file on the phone, that file name is change on server side to something like TLEW1J~7 but should be "test phone"
[00:44] <pngo_> but files created on computer work fine on both sides
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> a new article on scopes: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/01/ubuntu-phone-bq-photo-scopes-details
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[08:17]  * sturmflut-work has installed systemd-sysv and will reboot now
[08:17] <sturmflut-work> Wish me luck
[08:56] <lpotter> http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/14/7543883/samsung-tizen-phone-announced-z1
[08:57] <uhhimhere> so does the ubuntu repos work with touch
[08:58] <nhaines> apt-get install works, but apt-get upgrade breaks everything.  Also, if you set your system to read-write, you can no longer update the OS.
[08:59] <uhhimhere> so is there a specific repo for arm apps
[09:00] <nhaines> No.
[09:00] <nhaines> Same repos.
[09:00] <uhhimhere> but arent most of the software compiled for x86
[09:01] <nhaines> No.
[09:01] <nhaines> ARM is a supported architecture for Ubuntu, and so the build servers build all applicable packages for all supported architectures.
[09:02] <nhaines> So maybe Wine isn't available for ARM, for example.  But in general, most things are.
[09:02] <uhhimhere> makes sense and do these unavailable packages pop up or are they hidden
[09:02] <nhaines> They are simply unavailable.
[09:03] <nhaines> So on ARM (if I'm right that Wine isn't available), 'sudo apt install wine' returns "Package not found."
[09:03] <nhaines> Exactly as if you typo a package name on x86.
[09:03] <nhaines> Although remember, it's really amd64 that's the "modern, standard" architecture now.  ;)
[09:04] <nhaines> And also note that ARM works exactly the way x86 and amd64 have for years.
[09:05] <uhhimhere> well i think thats become debatable now
[09:06] <uhhimhere> that amd64 is the more modern standard architecture
[09:06] <uhhimhere> depends on what you define as modern and standard
[09:07] <nhaines> well, x86 was introduced in 1978.  So it's not that.
[09:07] <uhhimhere> x86 probably has a more consistent peripheral ecosystem thats standardized
[09:07] <nhaines> I don't mean "best".  I mean other than embedded markets, x86 is obsolete in terms of new hardware being produced.
[09:08] <nhaines> But my point was that ARM in Ubuntu works just like x86 and amd64 and like PPC used to.
[09:08] <uhhimhere> so would i be able to play tremulous on my phone
[09:08] <uhhimhere> with 3d accel
[09:09] <uhhimhere> from say fredreno
[09:09] <nhaines> So it would need to be ported to QT to work with Unity 8, I would imagine.  Let alone Mir.  Unity sort of just launches SDK apps at the moment.
[09:12] <nhaines> Everything's possible.  LibreOffice can run on the phone, but you probably wouldn't want to.  :)  https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Dt9OzKmQUgI/VLO5N9G9j3I/AAAAAAAAI_w/E1rfHax3xCs/w546-h863-no/2015%2B-%2B1
[09:13] <uhhimhere> could i dock it on a usb/hdmi converter + bluetooth keyboard ?
[09:13] <nhaines> After Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.  As in, 16.10 at the earliest, probably.
[09:13] <uhhimhere> canonical should sell a usb hardware dock for desktop mode or something
[09:13] <nhaines> Unless there's some kind of preview ready for the phone.
[09:13] <uhhimhere> that would be neat
[09:14] <nhaines> Canonical doesn't do hardware.  :)  That's up to OEMs.
[09:14] <uhhimhere> yeah they do
[09:14] <uhhimhere> they sell mice
[09:14] <uhhimhere> :P
[09:14] <uhhimhere> this is along the same lines
[09:15] <nhaines> Not really.  In any case, the bq Aquaris will never be able to do convergence (if I have the specs right), which is a really good reason not to sell a dock in the Canonical store.
[09:15] <uhhimhere> what
[09:16] <uhhimhere> whats aquaris
[09:16] <nhaines> That's the phone that's on sale second week of February.
[09:17] <uhhimhere> whats so special about that phone
[09:17] <nhaines> Nothing in particular.  It's simply the first.
[09:19] <nhaines> Yeah, it has a dual-core Cortex A9 processor and only 1GB RAM.  So according to Canonical's specs in early 2014, it doesn't meet the requirements (quad-core Cortex A15, 2GB RAM) for desktop convegence.
[09:19] <uhhimhere> just go onto alibaba buy a 2 g module and solder it on
[09:20] <nhaines> Which doesn't fix the processor problem.
[09:20] <uhhimhere> overclock it
[09:20] <uhhimhere> oh
[09:21] <uhhimhere> but why is it tied to whether or not the canonical store should sell it
[09:21] <nhaines> Because despite the fact that it's been announced for over a year, you had no idea the bq Aquaris was going to be the first retail Ubuntu phone or any of the specs or that it can't do desktop mode Ubuntu.
[09:22] <nhaines> So you can imagine if someone has one and then buys a "turn your phone into a desktop widget!" from the Canonical store and then finds out it doesn't do that.
[09:22] <nhaines> Sounds like a good idea for OEMs to sell.  Or for third-parties, maybe.
[09:23] <uhhimhere> im pretty sure someone would hack it to allow for docking
[09:23] <nhaines> Which is fine, but still doesn't mean Canonical should endorse that.
[09:23] <uhhimhere> why is canonical endorsing the aquaris
[09:24] <nhaines> bq licensed Ubuntu from Canonical for that phone.
[09:24] <uhhimhere> well thats retarded; why wouldnt they make it up to spec for docking then
[09:24] <nhaines> It's still a good business phone and can still be managed with Landscape.
[09:24] <uhhimhere> and why didnt canonical enforce that
[09:25] <nhaines> Because not all Ubuntu phones are designed to be docked.  Only the high-end phones.
[09:25] <nhaines> So watch out for Meizu's phone later this year.
[09:25] <nhaines> (It still won't be able to use desktop mode, but it might in the future.)
[09:25] <uhhimhere> it should come with a special "endorsement"
[09:26] <nhaines> Tassadar: I am sad because ubuntu-rtm/14.09 r13 doesn't detect sound devices on my N5.
[09:26] <uhhimhere> like HomeDock(TM) ready or something
[09:26] <uhhimhere> thats what im calling the hypothetical ubuntu docking station
[09:26] <Tassadar> nhaines: fix it then <_<
[09:26] <nhaines> Tassadar: actually I'd just planned to be angry at you by proxy.
[09:26] <Tassadar> yeah, that's gonna totally fix it
[09:27] <nhaines> uhhimhere: sure, but it's impossible for any Ubuntu phone to use desktop mode anyway right now.
[09:27] <nhaines> Tassadar: maybe not, but it will make *me* feel better.
[09:27] <uhhimhere> why nit
[09:27] <uhhimhere> not
[09:27] <nhaines> uhhimhere: because it doesn't exist.  Unity 8 doesn't have a desktop mode.
[09:27] <nhaines> It won't until 16.04 or 16.10.
[09:31] <uhhimhere> so whats so hard about desktop mode? landscape+usb support?
[09:35] <sturmflut-work> nhaines: Actually Unity8 already has a Desktop mode. You can enable it manually, and Popescu Sorin seems to have a private branch where he can switch dynamically between Tablet and Desktop mode
[09:35] <sturmflut-work> nhaines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqYEH3MUC3w
[09:35] <sturmflut-work> nhaines: I've used the desktop mode myself a couple of days ago
[09:36] <uhhimhere> so who wants to start a petition to canonical for a dock
[09:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Organise Your Home Day! :-D
[09:37] <nhaines> sturmflut-work: actually it doesn't.  Popescu Sorin is doing some amazing work with window management.  But there is a massive amount of infrastructre work needed to get to desktop mode.
[09:38] <nhaines> Mir, in particular needs a lot of work before it's ready, and Unity 8 will build on top of that , too.
[09:38] <nhaines> sturmflut-work: the fun thing is that we're getting to watch it take shape early, as it progresses.
[09:38] <sturmflut-work> nhaines: I never said that it was already completed, but it is there and can be activated with the current Vivid packages.
[09:38] <nhaines> sturmflut-work: until it's completed, it does not exist.
[09:39] <sturmflut-work> nhaines: The world is not binary. And first we would have to agree on a definition of "completed".
[09:39] <uhhimhere> thats like saying there are no ubuntu images other than LTS ones
[09:39] <uhhimhere> wait ubuntu is on rolling release now isnt it?
[09:39] <uhhimhere> i havent used it in a while
[09:39] <nhaines> Well in the context of "let's sell people hardware", it doesn't exist.
[09:39] <nhaines> uhhimhere: no.
[09:40] <uhhimhere> i actually think as soon as the hardware is there more people will contribute to make it work
[09:40] <uhhimhere> or official
[09:40] <uhhimhere> its like a carrot on a stick
[09:40] <sturmflut-work> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Touch-Spotted-Running-on-Former-Windows-8-1-Tablet-Lenovo-ThinkPad-8-469594.shtml Wow, I didn't know that this was reported outside of Google+ :)
[09:41] <nhaines> You can already buy cheap HDMI adapters.  I forget what the interface is called.  MHI?
[09:41] <sturmflut-work> nhaines: MHL
[09:41] <nhaines> sturmflut-work: thanks.
[09:53] <uhhimhere> so can I run a virtual server on my device, chroot to it and then run Ubuntu OS
[09:54] <uhhimhere> if its not officially supported
[10:02] <popey> uhhimhere: possibly. I don't know that anyone has tried.
[12:27] <uhhimhere> so most programs on the repo need to be ported to QT to work on UBuntu TOuch
[13:02] <Chipaca> In the emulator I'm getting a crash so frequently it's nearly unworkable. I get: *** Error in `/usr/share/android/emulator/out/host/linux-x86/bin/emulator-x86': free(): corrupted unsorted chunks: 0xb230a780 ***
[13:03] <Chipaca> anything i can do?
[15:04] <dobey> hmm, is it just me, or does "checking for updates" sit and spin for anyone else on mako?
[15:06] <mhall119> we have screen recording instructions on the wiki now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ScreenRecording
[15:17] <kenvandine> dobey, i heard the store scope server was upset, perhaps that's the same problem
[15:22] <dobey> kenvandine: could be, but that shouldn't block system image updates which don't come from the click store, no?
[15:26] <kenvandine> beuno, ^^ could that be the same issue?
[15:27] <dobey> mardy: seems a bit better now
[15:27] <kenvandine> dobey, found click updates for me... maybe they got the issue resolved already
[15:28] <dobey> yeah, i don't see a new system image update though. guess one hasn't built yet
[15:29] <dobey> mardy: ping
[15:32] <dobey> hrmm, now the osk is wonky for me on vivid :/
[15:45] <mardy> dobey: hi!
[15:46] <mardy> dobey: I saw your comment to the bug about the apparmor extension... what issues did you find?
[15:47] <dobey> mardy: on a freshly flashed vivid on mako, i added a u1 account, but pay-ui hit the same permissions issue trying to access the signond dbus method to get the account, even though it is an unconfined app, and unconfined seems to be in the ACL for the account
[15:48] <dobey> removing the signon-apparmor-extension package lets it work
[15:48] <dobey> and after an update which added the package back, the account still works
[15:48] <dobey> i deleted the account and trying to add it back, but the keyboard is acting up right now
[15:49] <mardy> dobey: please enable logging in /etc/signond.conf and then paste the syslog somewhere, once you reproduce it
[15:51] <dobey> ok, got my account added again. trying the bug again now after enabling logging
[15:51] <dobey> or maybe not
[15:51] <dobey> looks like store is acting up again :-/
[15:52] <dobey> oh
[15:52] <dobey> no, the scope is hitting the issue now
[15:52] <dobey> 2015-01-14 15:51:02,405 - CRITICAL - Error: "Client has insuficient permissions to access the service.Method:getAuthSessionObjectPath"
[15:53] <dobey> Jan 14 15:51:02 ubuntu-phablet signond[27748]: ../../../../src/signond/accesscontrolmanagerhelper.cpp 81 isPeerAllowedToUseIdentity "Access control list of identity: 3: [].Tokens count: 0#011"
[15:54] <dobey> mardy: how do i check the acl in the signon.db?
[15:55] <dobey> 1|unconfined
[15:55] <dobey> that's what's in the TOKENS table
[16:01] <mardy> dobey: then check the IDENTITIES table (if that's the right name)
[16:03] <dobey> mardy: CREDENTIALS? or in the other db?
[16:04] <mardy> dobey: wait, let me open the DB, my memory is failing :-)
[16:04] <dobey> 3|||2|0
[16:04] <dobey> that is CREDENTIALS
[16:06] <mardy> dobey: SELECT token_id FROM ACL WHERE identity_id=3;
[16:07] <mardy> dobey: if you find "1", it means that "unconfined" has access
[16:07] <dobey> mardy: select * from ACL; seems to be empty
[16:07] <mardy> dobey: so the ACL is empty
[16:07] <dobey> mardy: so why is the ACL empty? i thought you fixed online-accounts so unconfined was always added?
[16:09] <mardy> dobey: no, I fixed it so that "unconfined" can access any account, but I have left out the case where the ACL is empty
[16:10] <mardy> dobey: I looked into that, and IIRC there was no way to fix that without making the upstream project (which should know nothing about apparmor) do a check on "unconfined"
[16:10] <dobey> mardy: ah ok. can we get that fixed then? and can you remind me the call i need to make in the u1 account to add unconfined?
[16:10] <mardy> dobey: I didn't do that because I though that the U1 plugin had been changed in all this time
[16:11] <mardy> dobey: sure
[16:11] <dobey> mardy: i thought that workaround was in all this time, and i've been dealing with other things in the click scope and payments stuff
[16:12] <mardy> dobey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-credentials/+bug/1376445/comments/2
[16:12] <dobey> ah ok. thanks
[16:13]  * mardy checks if there's a way to modify signond in a non-apparmor specific way
[18:07] <ZacharyIgielman> I have developed uPiano but you cannot play multiple keys. How can I deal with multiple touches with QML?
[18:12] <ahayzen> ZacharyIgielman, i've used this before for multiple touch points https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/QtQuick.MultiPointTouchArea/
[18:14] <ZacharyIgielman> ahayzen: Ok thanks, that looks along the right lines. Have you got any examples using it? Not sure how I would dual with multiple touches?
[18:16] <ahayzen> ZacharyIgielman, i use it here ... basically the first touch decides on direction, the second touch causes a jump to be called http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/volleyball2d/utopic/view/head:/scenes/GameScene.qml#L149 ... there are probably better examples on the web somewhere though ;)
[18:16] <kgunn> popey: hey...trying to test a whole bunch of apps on full shell rotation, using some instructions from gerry to pull from
[18:16] <kgunn> http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2014/12/2014-12-15-050001/
[18:16] <kgunn> but getting not found...is there an updated link?
[18:17] <popey> kgunn: one moment
[18:19] <ZacharyIgielman> ahayzen right I get that. Do you know how I can make it so that I can have upto 12 touch points that all behave in exactly the same way?
[18:20] <ahayzen> ZacharyIgielman, i guess make your own TouchPoint component and then put 12 of them in there? ... or in a repeater?
[18:22] <ZacharyIgielman> alhayzen, I guess that's what I'll do. I will write a function for onPressedChanged and make all 12 touchpoints point to it.
[18:23] <ZacharyIgielman> Thanks for your help ahayzen!
[18:24] <ahayzen> ZacharyIgielman, no problem
[18:24] <kgunn> popey: no prob, stepping out for a run
[18:25] <popey> kgunn: kk, will reply with a new url
[19:07] <dobey>  libqt5feedback5:armhf : Depends: libqt5multimedia5:armhf (>= 5.0.2) but it is not going to be installed
[19:07] <dobey> ^^ i'm getting this trying to cross-compile a deb in sbuild on vivid. anyone else getting similar issues on vivid?
[19:13] <sander^home> When I tried to issue: ubuntu-device-flash --channel=14.09 --bootstrap I got: can't flash recovery image.. after some waiting.. it still says downloading on the screen.
[19:24] <sander^home> I got past it..
[19:56] <kenvandine> mandel, i tested your branch on vivid, it works!
[19:58] <kenvandine> mandel, one time i hit pause very quickly and it seemed to behave weird
[19:58] <kenvandine> maybe it just ignored my pause or something
[19:58] <kenvandine> to fast
[19:58] <kenvandine> but then i couldn't reproduce it
[19:58] <kenvandine> either way, WAY better than what we have already
[20:01] <sander^home> How do I import contacts from a .vcf google contacts file?
[20:21] <kgunn> popey: any love?
[20:21] <popey> kgunn: yeah, sorry, taking longer than expected, just uploading now
[20:22] <kgunn> popey: thanks, sorry for being a kvetch
[20:22] <popey> np :)
[20:22]  * popey googles kvetch
[20:22] <popey> pffft, try harder :)
[20:35] <jgdx> kenvandine, pang!
[20:35] <jgdx> how's the testing going?
[20:36] <kenvandine> jgdx, worked for me :)
[20:36] <kenvandine> jgdx, waiting for you
[20:37] <popey> kgunn: this is a more reliable location, so adjust your instructions for this:- http://people.canonical.com/~alan/clicks/2015-01-14-181834/
[20:37] <jgdx> kenvandine, joy
[20:37] <kgunn> thanks!
[20:48] <chrisc> i'm running vivid on mako and updated via apt-get and now i'm stuck at the google boot logo
[20:48] <chrisc> anyone have any suggestion what i could try...?
[20:49] <dobey> reflash?
[20:49] <nhaines> chrisc: try using ubuntu-rtm/14.09 right now because nobody's really working very hard on vivid at the moment.
[20:49] <nhaines> dobey: isn't the vivid image broken?
[20:49] <dobey> why are you updating via apt-get?
[20:50] <chrisc> because rtm doesn't include essential tools
[20:50] <chrisc> like mosh etc
[20:50] <dobey> nhaines: no? it's running ok on my mako
[20:50] <dobey> neither does vivid
[20:50] <nhaines> dobey: I could've sworn that's what I've heard.  Maybe I should flash it and poke around a bit.
[20:50] <chrisc> well with vivid i can install the tools i need
[20:50] <chrisc> with rtm i couldn't
[20:51] <chrisc> so how can i reflash when it won't boot? adb doesn't detect the phone
[20:51] <dobey> why not make an app as a click package to provide mosh?
[20:52] <dobey> chrisc: you can use hardware keys to get to bootloader and then into recovery image
[20:52] <dobey> from there you can reflash without wiping
[20:52] <chrisc> because that hadn't occured to me, there are several other cli tools i need to make the phone have any purpose, all easy to install using apt-get...
[20:53] <chrisc> ok, thanks, i'll look up the key combination
[20:53] <dobey> but really, if you make the image writable and start installing stuff and do apt-get upgrade to install updates, you're going to have to deal with any breakage
[20:53] <chrisc> yeah, that's why i'm here ;-)
[20:53] <dobey> you're lucky i replied :)
[20:53] <chrisc> :-)
[20:54] <chrisc> if you ever want sysadmins to use ubuntu on a phone you will need to make it possible to install cli packges without breaking the phone
[20:55] <dobey> not sure why you think those cli things are "essential needs" on a phone, but jailbreaking the image to do it is not the best way
[20:55] <chrisc> they are essential for me for work
[20:55] <dobey> if you want sysadmins to use phone apps, you should make phone apps for sysadmins, not treat the phone like it is a traditional console system running ubuntu
[20:56] <dobey> not like you can apt-get install mosh on android, ios, or anything else, either
[20:56] <chrisc> hmm, perhaps i'd be better off going back to cyanogenmod with a debian chroot
[20:57] <jgdx> mpt, ping
[21:11] <jgdx> kenvandine, landing 10 is a go for me
[21:12] <kenvandine> jgdx, great, can you mark it tested on the spreadsheet?
[21:12] <jgdx> yep
[21:12] <kenvandine> thx
[21:12] <chrisc> ubuntu-device-flash is failing for me with "mkdir /root/.cache: permission denied"
[21:12] <chrisc> which seems off as root does have write perms for /root/.cache ...
[21:13] <chrisc> s/odd/off/
[21:14] <jgdx> kenvandine, marked
[21:14] <dobey> chrisc: you are running ubuntu-device-flash as root?
[21:14] <dobey> don't
[21:15] <chrisc> ok
[21:18] <chrisc> hmm adb doesn't seem to see the phone
[21:18] <chrisc> adb devices returns nothing, the phone is in the bootloader
[21:20] <chrisc> adb devices only sees the phone in recovery, not when in the bootloader
[21:20] <chrisc> but i need to flash when it is in the bootloader?
[21:23] <dobey> you can't flash in recovery?
[21:23] <cwayne> bootloader uses fastboot, not adb
[21:23] <dobey> i know what bootloader and recovery differences are
[21:23] <chrisc> nope, it says "Expecting the device to be in the bootloader ... waiting"#
[21:23] <dobey> well don't flash with --bootstrap in recovery
[21:24] <chrisc> ah
[21:24] <dobey> --bootstrap requires being in bootloader
[21:24] <dobey> but iirc, also will delete any existing user data
[21:24] <chrisc> dobey: thanks, that did the trick :-)
[21:34] <chrisc> in theory i could install a debian chroot and then install cli stuff in that?
[21:34] <chrisc> this is what i used to do when i ran cyanogenmod
[21:37] <dobey> sure
[21:37] <chrisc> cool
[21:37] <dobey> you could just put a chroot in the home directory probably
[21:37] <chrisc> btw my phone booted and looks like all the user data is there (same background image and passwd)
[21:37] <chrisc> thanks for the help
[21:37] <dobey> sure
[21:38] <chrisc> ok, i'll try that, i already have my data in a LUKS encrypted filesystem
[21:39] <chrisc> but if cryptsetup is install via debian then i won't need to install it via ubuntu...
[21:40] <mandel> kenvandine, is that a +1?
[21:40] <mandel> kenvandine, I think that the pause is due to the fact that the button is activated before the download started and the udm ignores it
[21:41] <kenvandine> yeah, i think so
[21:41] <kenvandine> mandel, i gotta step out for a bit, i'll get back to the review when i get back
[21:41] <mandel> superb!
[21:43] <chrisc> dobey: /home/ would be better for a debian.img mounted as a loopback device than /userdata/ ? i have been using /userdata/ for this...
[21:44] <dobey> chrisc: there's no /userdata/ in ubuntu. just mount it under /home/phablet/debian or whatever
[21:59] <chrisc> dobey: oh, i have a /userdate/
[21:59] <chrisc> /userdata/
[22:00] <chrisc> with ubuntu.img and system.img
[22:00] <dobey> right
[22:01] <chrisc> so that seemed like a place to put mydata.img ...
[22:01] <dobey> but that is part of the underlying minimal android system we run in a chroot, to be able to use hardware
[22:01] <chrisc> ah
[22:26] <Adrian47> Where can I find kernel configs that are needed for ubuntu touch?
[22:54] <dobey> Adrian47: not sure what you're asking. the running kernel is android's kernel, on the phone images.
[22:55] <dobey> Adrian47: it's the AOSP kernel. a minimal android system is run in a container to be able to run ubuntu on phones
[22:59] <Adrian47> dobey: Thanks, I'm am getting: "Warning: unable to open initial console" at boot, in deprecated porting guide i found some configs that are needed to the end of kernel config file
[23:00] <Adrian47> dobey: and on ContainerArchitecture I see that I need to add CONFIG_HW_CONSOLE too
[23:01] <Adrian47> dobey: are there any needed configs for it too?
[23:01] <dobey> Adrian47: ah ok. i'm not sure. and as you said, the porting guide is deprecated. you might want to ask for help on xda forums or on the ubuntu-phone mailing list
[23:08] <Adrian47> Is there any info when approximately new porting guide will be released?
[23:09] <Adrian47> dobey: oh 4.4.2 version is based on AOSP now? I use CM kernel
[23:10] <dobey> yes, afaik it is AOSP
[23:10] <dobey> i don't know when a porting guide update will happen
[23:10] <dobey> mhall119: ^^ any ideas?
[23:13] <Adrian47> dobey: ok, so I will try with AOSP tomorow, thanks :)
[23:46] <kgunn> mhall119: hey, is there a clever way to resolve what app i'm seeing on the phone vs the click name ?
[23:46] <kgunn> ...doing testing of _all_ apps....


[17:40] <ricotz> mamarley, hi, better be careful with the first thunderbird 55 beta
[18:17] <mamarley> ricotz: Anything in particular for which to look out?  Or should I just not install it at all?
[18:44] <ricotz> mamarley, just a heads up since it will be available shortly and might cause trouble with extensions
[18:55] <mamarley> Thanks!
[22:31] <Guest22862> tjaalton (IRC): did you need to push mesa to git?


[12:37] <Dyllan> Hi all.
[12:38] <Dyllan> In this directory /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg  I have the default file and then I have a few other files with acpi=off. The other files are per hardware device, so they are named after the device MAC address.
[12:38] <Dyllan> But for some reason when the client PXE boots it ONLY picks up the 'default' file and not their MAC specific file, what cold be the reason for this?
[12:40] <Dyllan> Oh wait! :/
[12:41] <Dyllan> Fat finger problem i see it now!
[20:46] <dyllan> hi.
[20:47] <dyllan> My syslog file is getting bombarded with these messages: Jun 13 21:43:13 storm-server ldminfod[13187]: connect from <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  <-- the ip address changes but there is approx 2 messages of this kind every second.
[20:47] <dyllan> can anyone explain this?
[21:18] <HedgeMage> dyllan: <IP_ADDRESS> is a local IP address, so something on your local network is trying to connect to your machine over and over.
[21:18] <HedgeMage> xI'm not sure what ldminfod is though
[21:19] <dyllan> HedgeMage, yea i think ive worked out that because i rebooted the server while i still had clients connected they are stuck in limbo trying to establish a connection to the server...
[21:19] <dyllan> or something of that sort
[21:20] <HedgeMage> this is an ltsp set-up?
[21:21] <dyllan> yes it is
[21:22] <HedgeMage> dyllan: have you tried rebooting the clients?
[21:23] <HedgeMage> dyllan: I don't really know LTSP well, so if that doesn't help you best bet is to wait around for a more experienced hand.
[21:25] <dyllan> unfortunately i am off site, but before i left i tested a client and it worked fine.
[21:26] <dyllan> I just poked around the log files trying to troubleshoot another problem when i saw that, so i am confident it should be resolved when the users arrive in the morning
[21:26] <dyllan> or at least i hope it will !
[21:28] <dyllan> thnx for ur input though, always appreciated


[00:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: The Odd-Looking ‘App Center’ Icon in Ubuntu 23.10 is Being Fixed @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/03/ubuntu-app-center-wrong-icon-fix
[01:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Telco-grade Sylva-compliant Canonical platforms @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/telco-grade-sylva-compliant-canonical-platforms
[01:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Join Canonical at 2024 GTC AI Conference @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/nvidia-gtc-24
[03:58] <guiverc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2024-March/001343.html
[03:58] <guiverc> (noble is in feature freeze ^)
[04:02] <guiverc> ^ added to UWN 829, not intending to do more with it (unless others think that's worthy/required)
[04:02] <Bashing-om> UWN: Adding ^
[04:02] <guiverc> just added Bashing-om ^
[04:03] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup - not as quick on the draw as you :P
[04:03] <guiverc> alas I didn't say here I was adding.. sorry
[04:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Just that now I can take my regularly scheduled smoke break :P
[04:06] <guiverc> :)
[04:09] <Bashing-om> 4/6 hits and back to the keyboard -
[06:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::security:: Episode 220 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-220/
[15:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Canonical Has Given Launchpad’s Homepage a Facelift @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/03/canonical-launchpad-redesigned-homepage
[16:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::portugal:: E288 Furries E 125 Anilhas De Cobre @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/e288/
[22:32] <Bashing-om> UWN: Opening 829 for the Friday updates.
[22:58] <Bashing-om> UWN Saved and out - edit count stands now at 8.


[08:37] <ochosi> so since it was mentioned by flocculant in -ot, i've been chatting up Trevinho regarding indicators and their future and he told me that it was currently undecided
[08:37] <ochosi> it's possible that they will decide in the next meeting/s how that is going to continue
[08:37] <ochosi> meanwhile i've noticed they've been exploring indicator-application extensions for gnome shell
[08:38] <Unit193> Thanks for letting us know...
[08:38] <ochosi> so we should probably follow their next meeting minutes a little
[08:38] <ochosi> or ping them again in a week or two
[08:39] <flocculant> ochosi: their meetings are usually at a time I'm active so will actively idle
[08:39] <ochosi> my personal feeling is that we may be able to live without many of them, but indicator-application will be hard to replace
[08:39] <ochosi> flocculant: thanks, cool!
[08:39] <ochosi> we have a potential replacement for -sound with the pulseaudio plugin
[08:39] <flocculant> and anything I see that could affect us I'll ping or forward to us
[08:40] <flocculant> ochosi: ack - have had a little play with that lately
[08:40] <ochosi> and then there's only -messages which we ship by default
[08:40] <ochosi> flocculant: and what's your feeling/feedback?
[08:40] <flocculant> it works
[08:40] <ochosi> (also, we can easily patch that up a little, the code is not overly complex or long)
[08:41] <flocculant> but mostly music playback I'm using alsa and ofc all the pulse stuff stops while I'm playing music
[08:42] <flocculant> though I might revert to pa now I've worked out how to stop it downsampling
[08:42] <ochosi> the main downside of the pulseaudio plugin is that it doesn't have playback control
[08:42] <flocculant> right - but I never use thatanyway
[08:42] <ochosi> so mpris support would have to be patched in, and that's probably not a small effort
[08:43] <flocculant> biab
[08:46] <Unit193> -application, that's for displaying indicators.  But most, if not all, fall back to a tray icon so that doesn't seem like a big deal either.
[08:48] <ochosi> Unit193: while that is true, the trayicons have some downsides (scaling and usability mostly)
[08:49] <ochosi> so yeah, it's not like we'll lose a lot of functionality, but some convenience and usability
[08:49] <Unit193> Amusingly, I'm forcing dropbox to use the icon because it's more useful.  Indicators have no mouseover support, icons do.
[08:57] <Unit193> It'd certainly be a bummer to lose them, but lightdm.... Yikes.
[09:02] <ochosi> i thought lightdm's future was secured?
[09:04] <flocculant> not sure that's the case, but more people are pro-keeping it than not from the m/l discussion
[09:05] <flocculant> sigh - can't remember why I've got 2 volume indicators when using the pa plugin
[09:08] <flocculant> oh suddenly I only have 1
[09:08] <Unit193> All 5 have been accpeted now. \o/
[09:08] <Spass> speaking about indicators, sometimes the icons are duplicated in the notification area - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8qh4-wxxEZ7S1VVV0Q4OUlDVXc
[09:08] <flocculant> or 2
[09:08] <Spass> is it a known issue?
[09:09] <flocculant> transmission does that as well
[09:09] <Unit193> xfce4-dict, xfce4-genmon-plugin, xfce4-mount-plugin all might need some going over.
[09:09] <Unit193> Spass: Fixed whisker is in AA.
[09:09] <Spass> mostly it's ok, sometimes just one of these icon are duplicated, sometime both, very random
[09:09] <flocculant> Unit193: are these in ppa or in repo?
[09:10] <Unit193> flocculant: Repo proper, as of right now.  Got a notification.
[09:11] <Spass> Unit193: ok thanks for the info, I hope the bug with scrolling will be fixed too, fingers crossed
[09:11] <flocculant> ok cool - I'll check out later
[09:11] <flocculant> Unit193: as far as things coming up that need some testing - we need somewhere to note that rather than in channel
[09:11] <flocculant> I'll think about that
[09:13] <flocculant> also happy to test from git as well
[09:13] <flocculant> bbl - clock tells me I'm late :p
[17:10] <flocculant> Unit193: got those now - installed genmon and mount
[17:17] <ochosi> flocculant, Unit193: what up with those two?
[17:38] <flocculant> ochosi: nothing up as such - just 2 plugins extra in repo now, so I grabbed them to check them out
[17:39] <flocculant> ochosi: and also note to unit earlier - which counts for you and bluesabre "as far as things coming up that need some testing - we need somewhere to note that rather than in channel"
[17:39] <flocculant> but not thought about it more than that yet :)
[17:55] <akxwi-dave> a page on x.org would be nice under QA .. where  we can add these things
[17:55] <akxwi-dave> xubuntu.org that is
[17:56] <flocculant> was thinking of a pad or wiki.x.o tbh
[18:02] <flocculant> or even the dev tracker notepad - that's there already
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[18:03] <flocculant> Unit193 ochosi - though I've no clue what the genmon thing does :D
[18:26] <ochosi> flocculant: it monitors anything ;)
[18:27] <flocculant> oh - ok :)
[19:42] <flocculant> Unit193: you told me back a while - why would I have 2 volume notifications? got the xfce pulse plugin, hidden sound in indicators and removed ind-sound
[20:11] <Unit193> flocculant: I did?  That seems like a logical reason you'd have two.  And not really used all the things I listed, but some are going GTK3.
[20:18] <Unit193> flocculant: And that's to say, you want us to note all uploads we do somewhere other than here?
[20:20] <flocculant> Unit193: only if they need specifically checking/testing etc
[20:31] <flocculant> an re vol notification - not sure where the other is coming from now :)
[21:36] <ochosi> flocculant: could you check for me what happens with a gtk2 panel and right-clicking a window group of >1 windows? i get broken icons for maximize all, minimize all and close all
[21:37] <ochosi> and i'm wondering whether that is really my doing or whether those icons were never there
[21:37] <flocculant> just booting vm
[21:37] <ochosi> thanks!
[21:40] <flocculant> ochosi: you mean window buttons > window grouping > always? those icons?
[21:40] <ochosi> yes
[21:40] <ochosi> in the context menu of a group
[21:40] <ochosi> so when right-clicking it
[21:41] <flocculant> yep - on 17.04 vm I have icons for minimize and maximize and close (all)
[21:42] <ochosi> weird, i can't even find those icons in my installation
[21:42] <ochosi> supposedly it's stuff like wnck-stock-maximize
[21:43] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/IvIFmGf.png these I hope :)
[21:43] <ochosi> yup
[21:43] <ochosi> i presume your gtk3 panel also still has those..?
[21:43] <flocculant> cool - we're almost in sync then on what we mean when we say things :D
[21:43] <ochosi> hehe
[21:43] <flocculant> nope - I just rebuilt the gtk3 thing to see the lock hamdles
[21:45] <ochosi> so in gtk3 the icons are gone..?
[21:45] <flocculant> yea
[21:45] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:45] <ochosi> oh hey, evening bluesabre
[21:45] <flocculant> ochosi: don't forget that I am AA now with our zesty ppa's
[21:45] <bluesabre> how's it going ochosi and flocculant?
[21:46] <flocculant> cos bluesabre is lagging :D
[21:46] <ochosi> flocculant: that shouldn't make a difference
[21:46] <flocculant> bluesabre: all goot here :)
[21:46] <ochosi> hehe, he *is* !
[21:46] <bluesabre> goot to hear
[21:46] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - just wanted to to be sure you knew :)
[21:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: busy with the panel mostly, other than that busy with work and life ;)
[21:47] <bluesabre> flocculant: always ahead of the game, huh?
[21:47] <flocculant> bluesabre: :p
[21:49] <ochosi> bluesabre: you?
[21:50] <flocculant> bluesabre: keeping 2 running this cycle just in case change to gnome causes us issues - 1 will be a logout behind, got aliases to chroot and update set up to make that easy
[21:50] <bluesabre> ochosi: not bad, was without a monitor for a few days, so lagging behind on AA
[21:50] <flocculant> ha ha
[21:50] <bluesabre> that and playing the new Zelda, who has time for anything? :D
[21:50] <ochosi> huhu
[21:51] <flocculant> :)
[22:09] <ochosi> flocculant: what does the handle style look like in gtk2 again for the taskbar?
[22:09] <ochosi> sorry, i should probably do this with a docker instance myself instead of pestering you all the time...
[22:09] <flocculant> :)
[22:10] <flocculant> I couldn't get that docker thing working
[22:10] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/wIUIYka.png 48px
[22:11] <flocculant> oh hang on? taskbar?
[22:11] <ochosi> yeah, sry, taskbar, not panel
[22:11] <flocculant> wth is the taskbar :)
[22:12] <ochosi> the "window buttons" plugin
[22:12] <ochosi> :)
[22:12] <flocculant> oh right
[22:12] <ochosi> not sure why there is that naming mismatch
[22:12] <ochosi> i presume it's historical
[22:14] <flocculant> ochosi: http://i.imgur.com/N1FPM4f.png id you can see the handles you have awesome eyes ...
[22:14] <flocculant> I turned labels off there btw
[22:14] <ochosi> that's gtk2?
[22:14] <ochosi> crazy stuff. that really doesn't work with dark panels at all
[22:14] <flocculant> that's 17.04
[22:17] <flocculant> bluesabre: I saw you talking about the panel backup doodah a while back - is 'when I use the backup doodah, it doesn't close the panel prefs' something you thought about?
[22:18] <flocculant> ochosi: 17.04 is gtk2 isn't it?
[22:18] <ochosi> yup
[22:18] <flocculant> I got sooo confused last cycle lol
[22:18] <bluesabre> flocculant: it has to, since it restarts the panel to achieve what it does
[22:18] <flocculant> bluesabre: oh yea - didn't think about that :)
[22:19] <flocculant> bluesabre: should it then shutdown prefs for some panel plugin you might have open - what if that plugin is no longer in the panel?
[22:20] <flocculant> or is that 'scratch that itch yourself' territory :p
[22:23] <bluesabre> flocculant: probably, but not sure if there is a great way to do that
[22:23] <flocculant> ok - well it's great as it is then :D
[22:23] <bluesabre> flocculant: we can have it make you log out when done
[22:23] <flocculant> ok
[22:24]  * flocculant installs a pad of paper and pen
[22:30] <Unit193> bluesabre: We gonna sru xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin?
[22:37] <bluesabre> Unit193: sure thing


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[00:00] <wgrant> arand: There was an issue with the PPA publisher, should be fixed in a few minutes.
[00:00] <wgrant> distro-info is in NEW, so it's unrelated.
[00:03] <arand> Ah, right.
[03:33] <micahg> wgrant: did you ever figure out what was happening with API syncs and the -changes ML?
[03:36] <wgrant> micahg: They may be stuck in the moderation queue. I'll poke Julian about it tonight, as it's his squad's work and they're on maintenance now.
[03:39] <micahg> wgrant: ah, ok, thank you
[08:48] <shiki-> Hi everyone!
[08:48] <shiki-> I have a problem with copying my packages into different releases (it works for some, but fails for Lucid and Hardy)
[08:48] <shiki-> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=2116DS40
[11:25] <janimo> can launchpad API traffic be analyzed with wireshark if it is SSL?
[11:28] <geser> I guess wireshark would need to intercept the SSL handshake for this (MITM attack)
[11:30] <tumbleweed> the easier option is to make launchpadlib print what its doing (which is I think quite easy)
[11:31] <geser> "import httplib2; httplib2.debuglevel = 1" to get the requests printed
[11:34] <janimo> geser, tumbleweed I know about the debugging from within the lib, but thanks anyway :)
[12:06] <rbasak> I can't seem to set 876339 as a dup of 862129, both via the web interface and from the command line (lp-set-dup). OOPS-2116AQ47, OOPS-2116DW63 and others. Is this just because of the number of dups on that bug already?
[13:05]  * danilos reboots due to ecryptfs bug
[14:06] <Storm> Hello
[14:06] <Storm> I'm looking for some information concerning the launchpad commercial offer
[14:06] <Storm> I sent a mail last week, but I've not had any answer yet
[14:23] <mrevell> Hi Storm!
[14:23] <mrevell> Storm, What do you need to know?
[14:26] <Storm> mrevell: I would like to know if when one subscribes to a private hosting, it is only for some "parts" of the project
[14:26] <Storm> such as specific branches (seems like it is the case, according to the doc on the LP site), bugtracker, etc
[14:26] <kirkland> danilos: what ecryptfs bug is causing you to reboot?
[14:26] <Storm> and not something totally closed
[14:27] <Storm> my goal is to host a project which is open source
[14:27] <danilos> kirkland, bug 813146: it's not making me reboot, but I've lost data one time I didn't
[14:27] <mrevell> Storm, Right now, you can have private bugs, private code, private PPAs and private teams/mailing lists. Blueprints, answers and translations are not private. You can choose to have some branches public and som eprivate.
[14:27] <Storm> but has some parts which are developped in "closed source"
[14:27] <Storm> before being published (or not, according to the part)
[14:28] <mrevell> Storm, You could have branches that are private by default, with some that are public.
[14:29] <Storm> mrevell: ok, so it is possible to develop the closed source parts of the code in a private branch, and in the same time, continue to maintain the open source part in public
[14:29] <danilos> kirkland, at least I get what looks like a very similar kernel panic in dmesg to that, the duplicate of that bug is what I am seeing and usually when different python processes (like those of LP) hammer the encrypted home partition enough
[14:30] <mrevell> Storm, Yes, absolutely. You could most easily do that through two separate (one private, one public) projects, but you could also have a mix of private and public branches on the same project.
[14:32] <mrevell> hey deryck, Mumble okay?
[14:32] <deryck> mrevell, indeed.  heading there now.
[14:32] <Storm> mrevell: ok, I will take your proposition into account too
[14:33] <Storm> mrevell: One last question
[14:33] <Storm> At this time, there is only one commercial offer available right ?
[14:33] <deryck> mrevell, in product room when you're ready.
[14:40] <mrevell> Storm, That;s right, yeah
[14:41] <Storm> mrevell: ok, thanks for your answers !
[14:43] <mrevell> np :)
[15:14] <kirkland> danilos: thanks a lot.  i updated the bug
[15:34] <Lekensteyn> Hi all, is it possible to see the attachments of unapproved mailing list messages?
[15:35] <smoser> anyone able to help?
[15:35] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[15:36] <nigelb> smoser?
[15:36] <smoser> why does that fail ?
[15:37] <smoser> can it get fixed?
[15:37] <nigelb> what fails?
[15:37] <nigelb> you can't paste anything?
[15:37] <smoser> :)
[15:37] <nigelb> ah right.
[15:37]  * nigelb goes poking to IS
[15:37] <smoser> oh wow.
[15:37] <smoser> no. something else.
[15:38] <smoser> but it does seem that pastebinit is busted.
[15:38] <smoser> http://pastebin.com/nCh3dK3U
[15:38] <smoser> is what i meant to show, nigelb
[15:39] <nigelb> oh fun!
[15:39] <smoser> i just assumed that my 'xsel -o | pastebinit' worked, and didn't even look at the url i was pasting here.
[15:39] <nigelb> lol
[15:40] <nigelb> smoser: well, at least now I know you probably want benji. I don't know why it fails :)
[16:03] <danilos> kirkland, cool, you are welcome


[07:58] <jam> anyone around that could review https://github.com/juju/juju/8477 ?
[07:59] <jam> it refreshes AWS instance types, since now x1e, c5, m5 are supported in more regions.
[08:37] <jam> manadart: any chance you can look at https://github.com/juju/juju/8474 as well?
[08:38] <manadart> jam: Am currently :)
[08:38] <jam> thx
[09:04] <jam> manadart: thanks for the review on https://github.com/juju/juju/8474 care to look at the renames and see if it makes more sense to you?
[09:05] <manadart> jam: K.
[09:06] <manadart> jam: LGTM
[09:14] <jam> wpk: are you around? I was wondering what happened with patching vmware dependency to support go 1.10?
[09:16] <manadart> jam: Is https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1726317 effectively sorted now?
[09:16] <mup> Bug #1726317: multiple addresses in a space confuses peergrouper <4010> <juju:In Progress by manadart> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1726317>
[09:19] <wpk> jam: It's fixed in upstream, I want to put it as a part of my 'big' vmware update
[09:20] <jam> wpk: any chance you could split out that as a small patch to 2.3 so we can build both 2.3 and 2.4 w/ go 1.10?
[09:23] <wpk> sure, sec
[09:23] <wpk> one small fix is needed in constraints too
[09:28] <jam> wpk: thanks
[09:28] <jam> manadart: one more? https://github.com/juju/juju/8478  it seems my last patch for OpenTimeout created a race condition (the goroutine that writes to a channel is the only one that should close it)
[09:30] <jam> or wpk ^^ its pretty small, and then I'll merge 2.3 into develop
[09:32] <wpk> jam: looking, govmomi dep updated
[09:33] <jam> wpk: approved
[11:13] <manadart> jam externalreality: Small one - https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8481/files
[11:13] <jam> looking
[12:31] <externalreality_> manadart, what is that for?
[12:31] <externalreality_> manadart, how did you know that was needed?
[12:33] <manadart> externalreality_: We spoke with John in Budapest.
[12:35] <externalreality_> I didn't
[12:35] <externalreality_> manadart, I am afraid I am often ignored often
[12:35] <externalreality_> manadart, I am beginning to dislike being left out all the time
[14:22] <mup> Bug #1751153 changed: juju 2.3.4: vsphere units automatically remove jujud across reboot when cloud-init /var/lib/cloud is removed  <juju:New> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1751153>
[22:29] <wallyworld> balloons: sorry, internet died. ffs. tethered to my phone now for a bit
[22:29] <balloons> wallyworld, ahh.. I figured something like that happened
[22:29] <wallyworld> i have another meeting now but i think we had more or less finished
[22:30] <balloons> wallyworld, yea, I think it's fine. Thanks for catching up