[00:28] <maps|wrk> yay think iv got strongswan working with ios
[00:28] <maps|wrk> :D
[00:29] <penguin42> what size hammer did you need?
[00:29] <maps|wrk> yay its working
[00:29] <maps|wrk> :D
[00:29] <maps|wrk> i was getting confused by xauth-generic and how to enable the plugin
[00:29] <maps|wrk> all i had to do was install strongswan-plugin-xauth-generic
[00:30] <maps|wrk> i was making it harder than needed
[00:30] <maps|wrk> =]
[04:57] <mapps> hi
[05:28] <mapps> http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/lego-pieces-wash-ashore-cornwall-england-20140721
[05:47] <MooDoo> hi
[05:48] <mapps> hey MooDoo
[05:48] <mapps> live near cornwall? go find some lego
[05:49] <mapps> :D
[05:50] <MartijnVdS> free lego!
[05:51] <mapps> :D
[05:51] <mapps> anyone been legoland
[05:51] <mapps> uk or dk one
[06:03] <mapps> can anyone help me
[06:03] <mapps> spent ages setting up strongswan..it works well connects
[06:04] <mapps> but no internet through it..ive enabled ip forwarding and got a masquerade iptables rule
[06:14] <Myrtti> morning
[06:14] <mapps> morning
[07:05] <Myrtti> today in UUK's nature photography https://www.flickr.com/search/?tags=fensproblems&sort=relevance&user_id=78835633%40N00
[07:08] <mapps> hotel hells back yay
[07:22] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:21] <jujhar> msg NickServ IDENTIFY jujhars13 gHY70XrKMh
[08:23] <MooDoo> jujhars13: change your password, you pasted that into the channel
[08:24] <foobarry> lol
[08:24] <jujhars13> i know
[08:24] <jujhars13> sorry, me being a noob
[08:24] <jujhars13> I generated a new one - thanks
[08:24] <MooDoo> jujhars13: lol don't worry :)
[09:16] <DJones> I hate to say this, but can somebody turn the sun down a bit
[09:16] <DJones> Medium roast instead of hot roast would do
[09:19] <Myrtti> it's overcast over here and I'm happy
[09:19] <dogmatic69_> just turn it off
[09:25] <foobarry> is it nice out?
[09:25] <foobarry> i can't see a window
[09:26] <MooDoo> yea it's nice here in notts
[09:27] <MooDoo> in fact I've just opened the window
[09:29] <DJones> I always wish that on the weather forecast, they'd also give the temperature in the sun and not just in the shade as normal
[09:30] <Myrtti> oh you mean something like this
[09:30] <Myrtti> [09:28:45] <@Myrtti> .weather PE282TL
[09:30] <Myrtti> [09:28:46] < pohjantahti> , United Kingdom: Temperature: 20.9°C, feels like: 21.8°C, wind: 2.1  m/s, humidity: 85%, pressure: 1022 hPa, cloudiness: 24%
[09:31] <Laney> good old PE28
[09:31] <Myrtti> yeah.
[09:33] <DJones> Myrtti: Not sure if that shows the difference, that seems like its just taking the air temperature in the shade and adjusting for a rise due to the wind, full sun temperatures can be a fair bit higher (5-10C)
[09:33] <Myrtti> probably yeah
[09:34] <Laney> I remember when we got renamed from PE17 5 to PE28 4
[09:34] <Laney> halcyon days
[09:35] <DJones> At the end of last week driving up to hospital, the car's gauge was showing about 28C, once we stopped and parked up in full sun, the gauge went up to 38C
[09:37] <Myrtti> Laney: you're that close by?
[09:37] <Laney> Myrtti: not any more
[09:37] <Laney> parents are though
[13:01] <javo> hi there
[13:02] <MooDoo> afternoon
[13:03] <diddledan> morning
[13:03] <bashrc> evening
[13:03] <diddledan> night
[13:03] <diddledan> that was a quick day
[13:07] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[13:08] <foobarry> need jelly sweets
[13:11] <Myrtti> meh, nobody has done an irssi ppa yet...
[13:13] <javo> Dunno if any of you were here thwn, but days ago a was in despair about a crash in my 14.04 after actualizing the  ubuntu-base package
[13:14] <javo> no network, no sound, no graphic card
[13:15] <bigcalm> popey: ddrescue to copy old drive to new drive, gparted to resize the new drive partition. Worked a treat, didn't have to install a new boot loader
[13:15] <javo> Well, today I've found the sollution.... easy, almost obvious, like the hidden note in Poe's tale
[13:16] <bigcalm> Ah, popey is on holiday
[13:59] <daftykins> bigcalm: was that the drive that was going bad?
[14:08] <bigcalm> daftykins: I don't have any drives going bad. Just very full drives
[14:09] <daftykins> ah ok, must've been someone else
[14:10] <bigcalm> I've only ever had 1 SSD go wonky on me before and that was some time ago
[14:13] <diplo> daftykins, twas me :)
[14:13] <daftykins> ah-har!
[14:14] <daftykins> any progress yet sir?
[14:14] <diplo> Well someone I knows lappy :)
[14:14] <diplo> I've told them it's broke, they cost this new.. that was Wednesday I think last week :)
[14:14] <diplo> So I'm guessing they don't want it fixed or they're busy
[14:14] <daftykins> ah-har
[14:14] <daftykins> i had a really interesting one with a friends girlfriends PC, she works from home on it so it behaving is quite important
[14:15] <daftykins> i'd been watching the SMART info which was racking up the value in an ECC correcting field as well as the 'Read Error Rate' one
[14:15] <daftykins> if you tried to do more than one thing at once, due to low RAM in the system too, it'd be so incredibly painful to use
[14:15] <daftykins> sort of 30+ seconds to run a text editor
[14:16] <diplo> that sucks :/
[14:16] <diplo> I see most newer laptops actually have a fairly decent amount of ram, all the ones I get are Vista with 1gb ram!
[14:16] <diplo> :/
[14:16] <daftykins> it was a natty little Dell with an early sandybridge i3 ~2100, so no slouch. an SSD popped in and weeeee \o/
[14:16] <daftykins> haha, damned Vista
[14:24] <awilkins> SSDs in a particular niche have been far more reliable than spinny rust
[14:24] <awilkins> That's in my external caddy for work <-> home office transit
[14:25] <awilkins> i) They are shock tolerant
[14:25] <awilkins> ii) They don't kill the rubbish power electronics in external caddy controllers as much as spinny rust does
[14:26] <awilkins> The power surge that a spinning drive does on startup apparently taxes the cheap drive controllers in external caddies until they start to die
[14:26] <awilkins> Because I had to replace the caddy about as much as the drive when I was using them
[14:27] <awilkins> Very happy with an SSD in a combo eSATA / USB box though
[14:27] <awilkins> Nice 3.5" bay for my desktop at home as well
[14:28] <awilkins> And I have quite hefty data loads  on those SSDs and they've not expired from use yet
[14:35] <daftykins> ah this is so much easier the second time around
[14:36] <daftykins> (now that it's me doing the whole job :D - iPhone 4 disassembly)
[14:36] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/josdxfs4wye7ni5/IMG_20140723_153436.jpg
[15:21] <mapps> ARGH
[15:21] <mapps> They chargedmy card 400 quid and didnt even tell me
[15:21] <diddledan> :-o
[15:21] <mapps> 'just put a card down to secure reservation'
[15:21] <mapps> yea nice one
[15:23] <foobarry> who? strip club?
[15:24] <foobarry> no reputable establishment would do such a thing
[15:26] <mapps> booking.com
[15:26] <mapps> riga apartment
[15:34] <mapps> put me off using booking.com again tbh
[15:34] <mapps> no emails telling me nothing..i chose to pay cash on arrival
[15:34] <mapps> gah
[16:14] <funkyHat> mapps: I've used booking.com several times, had no problem cancelling a booking after putting my card details down
[16:15] <funkyHat> I'm pretty sure they hold the card details and don't give them to the hotel
[16:15] <funkyHat> mapps: oh, I didn't read far enough up to see the bit where you say they charged. Dodgy.
[16:16] <funkyHat> mapps: someone in #ubuntu-offtopic works for them and may be able to look into it for you
[16:21] <funkyHat> Last night I used 'cheapoair' to book flights and car hire... hopefully nothing goes wrong D;
[16:27] <mapps> :D
[16:27] <mapps> whee u going
[16:48] <daftykins> mapps: sorry, saw your message last night but it was waaaay past my bedtime :>
[16:48] <daftykins> just taken apart that iPhone 4 again to replace the power button, all fixed \o/
[16:49] <mapps> yay
[16:49] <mapps> i hate taking iphones apart tbh
[16:50] <daftykins> it went really smoothly this time
[16:50] <daftykins> which is great because there's a bit of dirt right in front of the front facing camera i'll have to clean =|
[16:51] <mapps> i need to get a new touchpad for this rv520
[16:51] <mapps> so annoying with it having broken
[16:51] <mapps> i could just use a mouse i guess
[16:55] <daftykins> can't believe this whole tool set and replacement cost me £2.99
[16:55] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/009t9yo76r4wg4w/IMG_20140723_145432.jpg
[16:55] <mapps> ja
[16:55] <mapps> hoorah
[16:55] <mapps> swan and openvpn on my box
[16:56] <mapps> openvpn was fine until that ios issue which i cant find any help with
[16:56] <mapps> :<
[16:56] <daftykins> but all working with strongswan now?
[16:57] <mapps> yep
[16:57] <mapps> iphone 5 connected atm
[16:57] <mapps> and hopefully it wont disconnect when phone auto locks
[16:57] <mapps> that was the only issue i had with openVPN
[16:57] <mapps> gonna leave both running
[16:57] <mapps> :D
[17:02] <mapps> that show the strain is cool
[17:05] <daftykins> what's that about?
[17:20] <mapps> vampire show
[17:20] <mapps> kinda
[17:20] <mapps> an outbreak thing
[17:20] <mapps> fx show..really good :D
[17:29] <MattJ> Someone... recommend a stack for DIY dyndns
[17:53] <daftykins> MattJ: switch to noip ;)
[17:54] <MattJ> No
[17:54] <MattJ> I'm done with third parties
[17:54] <MattJ> I used noip a long time ago
[17:54] <MattJ> I need wildcard subdomains
[18:09] <daftykins> i see
[18:31] <gebbione> anyone uses anacron? i would like to understand how i should set up things such that anacron crons stdout is logged somewhere as it looks like at the moment it is not loggin in syslog
[18:54] <arsen> daftykins  \o/
[19:01] <funkyHat> gebbione: if you install a MTA, postfix for example, the output of your cron jobs will be emailed to you
[19:10] <daftykins> arsen: what-o sir, how be tricks?
[19:11] <davmor2> daftykins: the What-o-sir sounds like an invention from Wallace and Grommit
[19:12] <daftykins> XD
[19:12] <daftykins> who knows what this brain absorbs
[19:15] <arsen> :)
[19:16] <arsen> good thankye. busybusy, new job soon.
[19:16] <arsen> just attempting to figure out what's up with my lappy. out of the blue it's decided i'm no longer allowed to do anything after i log in :D
[19:17] <daftykins> arsen: O_O mac?
[19:17] <daftykins> and job hopping again eh, crikey
[19:18] <arsen> negatory, dell xps m1330 - ubuntu.
[19:18] <daftykins> hell i can't talk, still not got a proper one \o/
[19:18] <foobarry> anyanyone with a 9yr old son in yr4 wanna do some market research and get ££
[19:18] <arsen> i probably hit "yes" whilst drunk on "do you want to install updates you dont need and will break your gfx?" :((
[19:23] <arsen> sadtimes.
[19:25] <daftykins> :D
[19:26] <daftykins> i've just been given a core 2 duo macbook, an ubuntu running HP laptop and an iPad
[19:26] <arsen> niceee
[19:26] <daftykins> well not given given :D
[19:26] <daftykins> but to transfer data from ubuntu to the MBP, then get the pics doing their iCloud magic
[19:26] <arsen> tempted to buy an ipad mini in a week or so, i miss my old ipad but it was uncomfortably heavy for reading
[19:27] <daftykins> haha you should try my HP Touchpad - you need a robot arm to hold that thing up
[19:27] <arsen> but i'll be back on a MBP very shortly, i just kinda want my laptop to hold out as my infront-of-the-tv device.
[19:27] <arsen> would be awesome for it to not break itself, this seems to be a regular with ubuntu :/ lol.
[19:27]  * penguin42 did spend a while gawping at a Samsung 12.2" protab in the shop the other day - it's a glorious display; fortunately I'm too tight to buy it
[19:28] <arsen> im in the US for a few weeks, ipad mini is some stupid percentage cheaper there
[19:28] <daftykins> lol 723 updates available
[19:28] <daftykins> she wasn't kidding when she said she doesn't do updates
[19:29] <daftykins> penguin42: :D
[19:29] <arsen> sneaky suspicion my laptop has been updated and sat without reboot for a while, causing this problem im suffering. would be nice if there was a "undo last update" command
[19:31] <daftykins> are you getting wallpaper+mouse pointer then nothing else of your DE?
[19:31] <arsen> black screen, cursor, nothing else.
[19:32] <arsen> interestingly, i discovered the other day my friend works for canonical @:o
[19:33] <arsen> so, nvidia/xserver/driver reinstall doesnt do anything to fix. hmph
[19:33] <daftykins> can you get to a TTY?
[19:33] <arsen> yessir
[19:33] <daftykins> install pastebinit and "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" :O
[19:34] <arsen> ooh clever.
[19:34] <arsen> i think in my new job im gona be here a lot more :)
[19:34] <daftykins> though you might have to be on wired i guess, as command line wireless would be a pain
[19:34] <arsen> once settled in you should visit when you're about.
[19:34] <daftykins> :D sounds good
[19:35] <daftykins> i could always use a stone closer to London as an excuse to help visit a certain lady friend in the area ;)
[19:35] <daftykins> shame the boss doesn't have his place anymore, that was handy
[19:36] <arsen> well, im still working in the city, but i live earlsfield way these days. new job is in a fancy new office :)
[19:36] <arsen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7843584/
[19:37] <daftykins> no more cycle commute? :O
[19:37] <arsen> yeah i cycle every day still - doesnt stop my gut growing though xD
[19:38] <arsen> ~16miles a day
[19:38] <daftykins> 103 - [    10.740] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia
[19:38] <arsen> yeah just installing that again, will re-run/test
[19:38] <daftykins> looks like it's put a new kernel on perhaps and not generated the module for it
[19:39] <arsen> correct, my bad though, rather than ubuntus. was broken irrespective of that :D
[19:39] <daftykins> ^_^ is it really an nvidia-only laptop, or a funky intel on-die and nvidia chip hybrid - aka nvidia optimus?
[19:40] <arsen> i believe it's nvidia - 8400M GS i think.
[19:40] <daftykins> ooh ok old school
[19:41] <arsen> yeah its a .. well, its crap. i just found it in a cupboard and it has been my sofa-friend for a year now :(
[19:41] <arsen> still miss my old mac air 11, but new job gives me a new mac pro, so that'l make me happy again.
[19:43] <arsen> royally screwed it now xD
[19:43] <daftykins> :O
[19:43] <daftykins> ugh why is the Finder refusing to copy this persons pics from my NTFS formatted external HDD
[19:44] <daftykins> 'item already exists with name' - no it doesn't!
[19:44] <arsen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7843637/
[19:44] <funkyHat> Use rsync
[19:44] <arsen> that is strange, daftykins
[19:45] <daftykins> man this thing still has a 160GB mechanical HDD, nasty
[19:45] <arsen> i think mine does too.
[19:45] <daftykins> :D
[19:45] <arsen> someone pointed out an old small ibm to me the other day -found them on ebay cheapo. looks nice.
[19:45] <maps|wrk> hi all
[19:46] <daftykins> heya
[19:46] <maps|wrk> aha dafty
[19:46] <diddledan> ello
[19:46] <maps|wrk> maybe you can help
[19:46] <maps|wrk> :D
[19:46] <arsen> hihi
[19:46] <daftykins> ah yes native rsync, now to remember the basic syntax to do this file copy
[19:46] <maps|wrk> quite annoying , i got strongswan working using cert + key and XAUTH password right - but its DOING THE SAME THING when my phone locks it loses VPN connection and doesnt auto reconnect
[19:47] <maps|wrk> i want it to stay perm connected or reconnect
[19:47] <arsen> lenovo x220 it was. not bad for the cash.
[19:47] <maps|wrk> this is the same issue i had with openvpn:(
[19:47] <arsen> it dies when you LOCK the phone, or when it times out?
[19:48] <maps|wrk> well, it seems that when the phone auto locks it kills the connection?
[19:48] <arsen> android?
[19:48] <maps|wrk> ive turned auto lock to never to see what happens
[19:48] <maps|wrk> nope iOS
[19:48] <arsen> which client?
[19:48] <maps|wrk> and i had the exact same issue with openVPN which was why i switched to strongswan
[19:48] <daftykins> maybe it's an Apple regression / thing
[19:48] <maps|wrk> using ios inbuilt vpn connection
[19:49] <arsen> i think its the wifi thats the problem then - doesnt wifi turn off when phone locks?
[19:50] <arsen> but presumably it'd reconnect on unlock :s
[19:50] <maps|wrk> nah this is on 3g
[19:50] <maps|wrk> and it doesnt reconnect when you unlock
[19:50] <maps|wrk> ive left it unlocked and just seeing if it keeps connection
[19:51] <maps|wrk> but does anyone have any ideas what could be causing this; and how to rectify it, anything,
[19:51] <daftykins> funkyHat: thanks for that... seems to be chugging along, odd that it trips up with a graphical copy!
[19:51] <maps|wrk> ive enabled mobike mobike=yes in ipsec.conf
[19:51] <maps|wrk> cant see anything i can do server side to fix this
[19:54] <funkyHat> daftykins: np :) OSX's rsync is *slightly* incompatible with GNU rsync so I brew install it but that won't affect you for a local copy obviously
[19:54] <daftykins> weirdly rsync is echoing a path to me that's not visible in Finder
[19:54] <funkyHat> I think calling it gnu rsync is nonsense actually...
[19:54] <daftykins> Mavericks seems to have obfuscated any kind of "show hidden files" option? :)
[19:55] <funkyHat> Yeah, there isn't one as far as I know
[19:55] <maps|wrk> so now with the phone with no auto locks..vpn staying connected
[19:55] <daftykins> maps|wrk: i don't have the slightest clue with that one i'm afraid, no experience with VPNs, limited Apple use and so on
[19:55] <diddledan> hmm, how did that end up in my spambox? Qasly Rmutr wants to transact with me a small nest egg of 23.2trillion US Dollars
[19:56] <arsen> nice.
[19:56] <funkyHat> diddledan: good job you spotted it!
[19:56] <diddledan> he wrote it as US$23200000.00Million, however
[19:56] <daftykins> that's a lot of dorrah
[19:57] <diddledan> hans brix would be proud, as would kim jong il
[19:57] <diddledan> in other news, is anyone else so ronery?
[19:58] <arsen> hm, so bumblebee also gives blackscreen/cursor
[19:58] <arsen> whaaaaaat
[19:58] <maps|wrk> have you got an android device daftykins ?
[19:58] <daftykins> yep
[19:58] <maps|wrk> hm#
[19:59] <daftykins> arsen: don't think you're running optimus tech to make use of bumblebee though sir, if i were you i'd "apt-get remove --purge nvidia*" to hopefully revert to nouveau then see how that goes
[19:59] <maps|wrk> care to try my vpn on your droid whenm you have a sec? just to see if it works right on yours
[19:59] <maps|wrk> when locking etc
[19:59] <daftykins> arsen: if you could "lspci | pastebinit" that'd help confirm that's an nvidia only graphics setup we're dealing with :>
[20:00] <daftykins> maps|wrk: yeah i've got a spare i could fiddle with, though yeah think i'm gonna do food first :D
[20:00] <daftykins> forgotten the time as always O_O
[20:00] <maps|wrk> wicked
[20:00] <maps|wrk> thanks mate, m essage me when you got the time:D cheers
[20:01] <daftykins> will do!
[20:01] <daftykins> ugh rsync warning: some files vanished before they could be transferred
[20:02] <penguin42> you didn't want them anyway
[20:02] <daftykins> lol
[20:02] <arsen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7843716/
[20:03] <daftykins> destination size is actually larger than the source, more files too O_O
[20:03] <daftykins> i'm gonna call that a success.
[20:03] <arsen> wonder if the old 173 driver works
[20:03] <daftykins> arsen: yeah for something that old i'd stick to nouveau sir, purge that nvidia* !
[20:04] <daftykins> i'm getting really irritated by my das keyboard dropping 's - that's right, o's
[20:04] <arsen> i gots a filco :o
[20:04] <funkyHat> daftykins: run it again with --delete to make them the same size
[20:04] <daftykins> ooo <-- meant to be 5
[20:04] <penguin42> daftykins: It just drops them?
[20:05] <daftykins> penguin42: yeah i have t hit the key a few times t get an o =|
[20:05] <daftykins> as you can see from that sentence >_<
[20:05]  * penguin42 uses Model M's - but I do feel it occasionally loses a character but it's difficult to tell if that's just my fast but chaotic typing
[20:05] <penguin42> daftykins: oh
[20:05] <daftykins> :D i did clean it up and it resolved my issues with dropped s's, a's and e's
[20:05] <penguin42> daftykins: It sounds like you've got a duff o key then
[20:05] <funkyHat> Usually when one of my keys doesn't work properly I just need to press it really hard to dislodge the crumb that's stuck under it
[20:06] <penguin42> daftykins: Is it a membrane job?
[20:06] <diddledan> insane in the membrane
[20:06] <diddledan> :-p
[20:06] <arsen> i thought DAs was a mechcanical keyboard?: o
[20:07] <daftykins> penguin42: the das is a blue cherry switch mechanical
[20:07] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rpfqi4xz9nxgx5j/AACAxEkpRRGQQnM2Lruz1Sira
[20:07] <penguin42> daftykins: It sounds like you broke your cherry
[20:07] <arsen> WAHEY
[20:07] <arsen> guest account works
[20:07]  * arsen removes monitors.xml
[20:07] <penguin42> daftykins: either that or maybe solder problems on the bottom of the key?
[20:07] <directhex> penguin42: ibm model m has a shitty controller, with very little key rollover. i'd expect lost characters
[20:07] <daftykins> arsen: which 'buntu is on thar?
[20:08] <arsen> 13.10
[20:08] <daftykins> and standard unity job?
[20:08] <daftykins> sir you're EOL! :)
[20:08] <arsen> neg, flashback
[20:08] <penguin42> directhex: It probably doesn't help that it's a PS/2-usb controller as well
[20:08] <daftykins> i'd rather PS/2 native \o/
[20:08] <penguin42> actually, thinking about it - it IS PS/2 native today - native on my home machine, converter when I run it on my work laptop
[20:09] <funkyHat> Girlfriend and her guest are watching the opening ceremony. Seriously cringey
[20:09] <arsen> and yeah, EOL daftykins :( wasnt expecting it to just die on me though :D
[20:10] <daftykins> hehe
[20:10] <maps|wrk> ceremony of what
[20:10] <funkyHat> Commonwealth Games
[20:10] <maps|wrk> oh
[20:10] <funkyHat> I was totally unaware it was even on
[20:11] <daftykins> funkyHat: this really is quirky, --delete tells me 3 "file has vanished" and yet i don't see them listed in Finder on the source external disk. i have no idea how they can disappear XD
[20:11] <arsen> wish i had tried that earlier
[20:11] <daftykins> it's also now tripped up on an IO error 0
[20:11] <daftykins> 0o
[20:11] <arsen> so my guest account works fine, my user gives me a black screen. probably isnt nvidia xD
[20:11] <daftykins> confound you 'o'!
[20:12] <diddledan> daftykins: have you tried in the terminal?
[20:12] <daftykins> arsen: yeah silly me, i dove straight past that you were making it to X fine
[20:12] <penguin42> oh that's weird
[20:12] <arsen> Fact - Jason Statham was a diver in the 1990 commonwealth games.
[20:13] <penguin42> Virgin have just sent me a thing saying now you're on faster broadband why not change your wifi password to make it easier to share
[20:13] <diddledan> lol
[20:13] <daftykins> diddledan: viewing? yep just confirmed they don't show up
[20:13]  * SuperEngineer is confuse. if I ask rythymbox to open a converted cassette to mp3 file it wants to download 20Mb og i386 addons#!
[20:13] <daftykins> penguin42: perhaps you should change it to your house name/number ;)
[20:13] <funkyHat> daftykins: I have vague suspicions that OSX's filesystem support outside of HFS is more flakey than they let on
[20:14]  * SuperEngineer is on a 64 bit machine - & VLC deals with the files AOK
[20:14] <daftykins> funkyHat: :D copying via NTFS was probably not wise
[20:14] <arsen> which ntfs driver do you have daftykins ?
[20:14] <daftykins> well this is just the clients' macbook
[20:14] <funkyHat> I'm thinking about trying UFS when I get a new USB hard drive
[20:14] <daftykins> so stock mavericks
[20:14] <arsen> i used to use osx/ntfs extensively  (definitely rsyncing etc), never had issues
[20:14] <arsen> ah. hm.
[20:15] <diddledan> daftykins: if the files are there then rsync will try to copy. if they're not then it won't - finder will hide certain files such as those beginning with a .
[20:15] <arsen> does NTFS-3G still work?
[20:15] <diddledan> arsen: no
[20:15] <arsen> arh :<
[20:15] <SuperEngineer> ...& why aren't y'all listening to UUPC podcast? ;)
[20:15] <diddledan> SuperEngineer: link?
[20:15] <daftykins> this MBP is really ramping up the fans
[20:15]  * funkyHat doesn't do podcasts really
[20:15] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: #uupc
[20:16] <SuperEngineer> [the rest is in the /title
[20:16] <diddledan> I can listen via irc?!
[20:16] <arsen> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org:8000/uupc.mp3 -< is what i found
[20:16] <daftykins> arsen: apologies for the misleading approach anywho! i think that xsession errors file might be more handy for what's up with your account, although these guys will be able to advise better since i don't even use desktop 'buntu
[20:16] <SuperEngineer> thnks arsen
[20:16] <arsen> nps
[20:16] <arsen> daftykins  - no probs, you arent expected to immediately solve all problems :p
[20:17] <arsen> i rarely touch anything desktopy in the linux world, aside from my TV laptop.
[20:17] <daftykins> hehe
[20:17] <arsen> well, as in - i dont do anything other than use it for SA tasks, and work = centos, sadly.
[20:17] <daftykins> i sense this macbooks vents need a clean
[20:17]  * directhex now has a MBP
[20:17] <daftykins> ooh-err CentOS
[20:17] <daftykins> directhex: choice?!
[20:18] <arsen> ooh directhex - is that your first?
[20:18] <directhex> daftykins: sort of. everyone at the company has apple laptops, and it's generally very useful to have similar tech to your co-workers, for access to things like spare chargers
[20:18]  * funkyHat has rMBP. Feels dirty.
[20:19] <directhex> Linux marceline 3.13.0-24-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 10 19:11:08 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:20] <daftykins> directhex: very true
[20:20] <arsen> these days lots of smart people use apple stuff, so life as a sysadmin with a mac isnt as terrible an idea as it once may have been.
[20:20] <directhex> i'm not a sysadmin any more
[20:20] <directhex> i'm an engineer
[20:21] <arsen> what are you engineering? i think my job title involved 'engineer', i tend to build stuff rather than monitor it.
[20:21]  * penguin42 hands directhex an oily spanner
[20:21] <funkyHat> My job title says 'Engineer' too
[20:21] <daftykins> whoa, is this actually standard? this MBP has a kind of "flip latch" on the underside that popped open the HDD+battery compartment
[20:21]  * SuperEngineer says =1
[20:21] <SuperEngineer> +1
[20:21] <arsen> crazy - a mac that lets you open it?!
[20:22] <funkyHat> daftykins: I think so on some of the older ones yes
[20:22]  * SuperEngineer is an engineer - [bet you'd never have guessed from the nick] but for me ... Brunell was an Enginner - not me
[20:22] <funkyHat> Also removable RAM? Lucky ;P
[20:23] <SuperEngineer> *Engineer
[20:23] <directhex> webcam no worky on linux :(
[20:23] <diddledan> directhex: you need to pull the firmware out of os x
[20:23] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: For some reason I now have an image of you in a big tall hat
[20:23] <directhex> diddledan: not on macbookpro11,x
[20:23] <directhex> diddledan: not supported, full stop
[20:24] <diddledan> oh :-(
[20:24] <daftykins> oh yeah, there we go - typical totally clogged carpet between fan + heatpipe assembly
[20:24] <daftykins> best take pics so i can charge accordingly :P
[20:26] <funkyHat> directhex: is that the newer retina one?
[20:26] <directhex> yeah
[20:26] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: yup - that's a compliment! I'll try it tomorrow & see how the customers react ;)
[20:26] <directhex> latest model
[20:26] <arsen> eugh - any ideas what config files would cause my flashback DE to fail to start.. works fine via guest user.
[20:29] <foobarry> the internet loves popey
[20:29] <foobarry> was googling a resizefs question http://www.redhat.com/archives/ext3-users/2011-June/msg00015.html
[20:29] <foobarry> top 5 hit
[20:30] <foobarry> if i resize (shrink) a 3tb volume by 50GB, but there's only 20gb of files on it, will it still take ages?
[20:30] <funkyHat> foobarry: which filesystem?
[20:31] <foobarry> ext4
[20:31] <funkyHat> (The answer is 'probably yes' in any case, 'definitely yes' if NTFS)
[20:31] <foobarry> bah
[20:31] <foobarry> i've got some work to do this w/end
[20:32] <foobarry> all because i thought installing to usb would work ok
[20:32] <penguin42> foobarry: I doubt it'd take that long if it's that empty
[20:32] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/o8odygjph6tllc7/AABh0O7GXpP7tj5QzdEugX1ka
[20:32] <daftykins> typical dust buildup :>
[20:32] <foobarry> i'll backup and try it first
[20:32] <foobarry> now i have to resize my data partition and install OS onto disk
[20:33] <foobarry> 2 options: SW RAID the OS
[20:33] <foobarry> or install the OS onto spare 20GB disk and dd it as a nackup
[20:36] <funkyHat> Yes. Do both
[20:36] <funkyHat> (except use some proper imaging tool rather than dd)
[20:36] <arsen> lovely, daftykins !
[20:37] <daftykins> arsen: glad at least the MBPs are easy to work on :)
[20:37] <arsen> surprised it was that easyt to open! new gen mbp?
[20:38] <daftykins> ancient this one, core 2 duo
[20:38] <daftykins> 'tis a 5,1
[20:38] <arsen> seriously - why am i listening to this UUPC podcast.. i don't get the desire to inject 1940s wartime music into linux podcasts.
[20:39] <Laney> how about you consider turning it off
[20:39] <directhex> arsen: it's free.
[20:39] <arsen> i did, Laney.
[20:39] <Laney> great success
[20:39] <directhex> arsen: 1940s wartime music is out of copyright, so can be used for musical bridges without paying a license fee
[20:40] <arsen> partly why i put it on, directhex - interesting discussion. however this is a long music bridge...
[20:40] <arsen> hm, havent listened to linuxoutlaws for a while.
[20:41] <Myrtti> my solution is to not listen to any techie podcasts
[20:41] <arsen> some are tollerable, Myrtti :D
[20:42] <Myrtti> most of them are too long for my attention span
[20:45] <Laney> huh, it got mostly dark
[20:45] <Laney> should move inside
[20:52] <arsen> Ok - so i get a blackscreen/cursor post login via lightdm, irrespective of xfce/gnomeflashback etc, but only on my user, guest account is fine. :/
[20:53] <daftykins> look into that xsessionerrors file sir
[20:53] <daftykins> i think it lives as a hidden in your ~
[20:54] <arsen> yeah not many clues
[20:54] <daftykins> :(
[20:54] <arsen> "dbus pre-start process terminated with status 2"
[20:54] <arsen> the only error
[20:55] <daftykins> diddledan's your man ;)
[20:57]  * arsen looks into .cache/upstart
[20:57]  * daftykins goes to eat
[20:59] <arsen> fixe.d
[20:59] <arsen> !
[20:59] <arsen> well that was ..fun. thanks upstart.
[20:59] <arsen> permissions on files inside ~/.cache/upstart lacking +x, don't get why that would be.
[20:59] <arsen> maybe i should now break it again with a dist-upgrade
[21:02] <penguin42> why should they have +x ?
[21:02] <penguin42> if they're not executable
[21:08] <maps|wrk> :D
[21:08] <arsen> penguin42  - folder had 0600, should of been 0700 apparently. moved out the way, rebooted, cache was recreated with 0700
[21:15] <maps|wrk> what tio do
[21:42] <maps|wrk> dafty
[21:42] <maps|wrk> :D
[21:43] <daftykins> maps|wrk: o/
[21:44] <daftykins> maps|wrk: so any word on whether there's an app client for android, or?
[21:44] <maps|wrk> ah sorry didnt see
[21:44] <maps|wrk> ja
[21:44] <maps|wrk> there is
[21:44] <maps|wrk> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.strongswan.android
[21:44] <maps|wrk> :D
[21:45] <arsen> wow, dist upgrade is system heavy
[21:45] <maps|wrk> :D
[21:45] <daftykins> winnar
[21:45] <arsen> i could coook my bacon lardons on my cpu right now
[21:46] <daftykins> arsen: how d'you mean? load or download size?
[21:46] <daftykins> oic
[21:46] <daftykins> haha
[21:46] <arsen> sadly i already had a crap cheese sandwich
[21:46] <arsen> my 60meg internet seemed to demolish the downloads pretty quickly, but the system load is ... well, irc is hard work right now
[21:47] <daftykins> maps|wrk: alright just got my spare messabout device on charge, so will give you a prod once it's up and installed
[21:47] <maps|wrk> ta
[21:47]  * arsen wants to buy a 911 GT3 :<
[21:48] <arsen> (and somehow install ubuntu on it?!?)
[21:49] <daftykins> lol
[21:49] <daftykins> wouldn't be surprised if Canonical tries to get in on the new in-car scene Apple and Google are going for ;)
[21:49] <arsen> yeah an ex colleague is now the finance manager in the canonical office :o
[21:49] <arsen> or something like that.
[21:50] <arsen> linkedin always turns up surprises.
[21:55] <daftykins> haha
[21:55] <daftykins> reminds me, i wonder what the old girl decided to waste my time with on facebook this time
[21:56] <daftykins> she thinks the best way to point you to something is put your name in, so then the email comes through with absolutely no reference to what it's about
[21:57] <arsen> xD
[22:01] <daftykins> parents - know your limits!
[22:02] <arsen> any plans to be over on the mainland?
[22:04] <daftykins> i do have a mate intending to do a house move from the Kensington and Chelsea area apparently, down toward Lewes (near Brighton) but he's not been in touch
[22:05] <arsen> ah
[22:06] <arsen> im watching some wtf TV.. "Breaking the faith" .. about FLDS escaping kids..
[22:06] <daftykins> 0o
[22:06] <daftykins> i have a Thunderbirds episode on XD
[22:07] <daftykins> so trying to train my cat up with this new electronic flap is head-against-wall bashingly challenging
[22:07] <arsen> lol
[22:07] <daftykins> she sits 18 inches from it looking through the clear kitchen window going "wat"
[22:07] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rswy13k3ohu7206/IMG_20140720_122618.jpg
[22:07] <daftykins> "what do you mean you held it open for me on the way out so i should know i can come back in too!?"
[22:08] <arsen> lol
[22:10] <arsen> oh joy. laptop is back - but upgrade stayed
[22:11] <maps|wrk> did it install?
[22:11] <arsen> stayed? failed..
[22:11] <arsen> now its rolling back :<
[22:14] <diddledan> ouch
[22:15] <diddledan> can ubuntu rollback a failed upgrade safely?
[22:15] <arsen> who knows.
[22:15] <arsen> thats what it said it was going to do..looking at the output it looks more like it's finishing the install
[22:15] <arsen> this could be fun.
[22:15] <diddledan> I can't say I've ever witnessed such an event - many moons ago it just failed and left it there
[22:16] <diddledan> I haven't had a failed upgrade in a long time
[22:16] <daftykins> "dear diddledan, i broke things... have left for you to clean up, much amuse! - Ubuntu.
[22:16] <diddledan> do-release-upgrade or the gui tend to get it right for me
[22:16] <daftykins> "
[22:16] <arsen> yeah im using the gui.
[22:17] <arsen> followed the documentation, figured dist-upgrade is probably a thing of the past.
[22:17] <maps|wrk> daftykins:  ?:D
[22:19] <penguin42> arsen: generally it's do-release-upgrade these days - it pulls in some separate fixes
[22:19] <arsen> hm, it says the upgrade completed but there were some errors.
[22:19] <diddledan> that sounds scary
[22:20] <diddledan> "dear arsen, I broke things, but I don't know what.. have left for you to clean up, much amuse! - Ubuntu"
[22:20] <arsen> pretty much.
[22:21] <penguin42> arsen: Any particular errors?
[22:22] <maps|wrk> ;[
[22:26] <daftykins> maps|wrk: phone still sat over there, will look
[22:26] <daftykins> i always use dist-upgrade \o/
[22:27] <arsen> anywhere they'd be logged penguin42 ?
[22:28]  * arsen looks
[22:28] <penguin42> arsen: well, probably /var/log/dist-upgrade maybe but I bet some of the other places in there
[22:28] <penguin42> arsen: Generally speaking it's best to remember error messages
[22:29] <arsen> :D
[22:29] <arsen> tbh as it claimed it was going to revert, i didnt pay much attention
[22:30] <maps|wrk> thanks :D
[22:30] <penguin42> arsen: In that case perhaps it has and you'll hit reset and find yourself still in the current version
[22:30] <arsen> :D
[22:31] <arsen> worth a go
[22:31] <maps|wrk> let me kow when done daftykins  thanks
[22:31] <arsen> can always pull files off here i guess.
[22:31] <arsen> brb, lets gamble.
[22:31] <penguin42> arsen: It was nice knowing you
[22:32] <arsen> ooh
[22:32] <arsen> :D
[22:32] <arsen> it claims 14.04 :D
[22:33] <arsen> ok, i've got a lovely fade-in effect on windows, that struggles to render.. best turn that off
[22:34] <arsen> my screen looks sharper. hm.
[22:35] <diddledan> arsen: the upgrader downloaded some extra pixies to add to the ones already inside your monitor
[22:35] <arsen> yeah, ubuntu-pixel-injector
[22:35] <diddledan> more pixies = more time to paint sharp edges
[22:35] <arsen> graet package.
[22:36] <daftykins> maps|wrk: plugged into lappy to charge \o/ got strongswan installed
[22:36] <daftykins> gotta setup a profile hmm
[22:36] <arsen> long time since i used strongswan :D
[22:37] <daftykins> maps|wrk: apparently i have to enter a gateway, user + pass
[22:37] <daftykins> yeah maps wanted to fiddle with it so i offered to be the client ^_^
[22:37] <diddledan> daftykins: quickest and easiest hack evar
[22:38] <daftykins> diddledan: hmm?
[22:38] <daftykins> aww yeah debut of Thunderbird 3 \o/
[22:38] <daftykins> what a nerd i am.
[22:38] <daftykins> but these 60s shows are so good XD
[22:39] <diddledan> daftykins: convincing maps|wrk to let you penetrate his network without touching any code
[22:39] <daftykins> ;)
[22:39] <maps|wrk> aha ok
[22:39] <maps|wrk> but wait
[22:40] <diddledan> daftykins: you're out of date we're on 31 now: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/
[22:40] <diddledan> :-p

[22:40] <daftykins> ;p;
[22:40] <daftykins> lol too
[22:41] <arsen> i watched an episode of the simpsons earlier
[22:42] <arsen> Marge basically raped Homer
[22:42]  * penguin42 wonders if arsen lives in the same multiverse as the rest of us
[22:43] <arsen> she became a body builder and forced him .. the next scene was him the morning after looking like a victim
[22:43] <arsen> pretty funny
[22:46] <arsen> needless to say, dont do a google video search for that. trust me.
[22:53] <daftykins> arsen: got this old HTC One X+ nvidia tegra3 device from my mum, unlocked the bootloader via HTC and put cyanogenmod on, damn does it fly now compared to all that HTC tosh :D
[22:56] <arsen> oo
[22:56] <arsen> nice.


[02:18] <xannen> Afternoon guys!
[02:23] <sagaci> xannen, http://www.joelp.me/blog/?feed=rss2
[02:23] <sagaci> bugger, wrong link
[02:23] <sagaci> http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=06888
[02:23] <sagaci> trisquel
[02:24] <xannen> Thanks sagaci.  :D
[02:25] <sagaci> looks to be the more updated ubuntu-like "totally free" distro
[02:25] <xannen> very good to know. :D
[02:27] <xannen> sagaci, is there another distro that you like beside ubuntu?
[02:29] <sagaci> if I had to use another one it'd be debian or pardus
[02:30] <xannen> by the way, has libreoffice superceded openoffice?
[02:31] <sagaci> yeah, well it's been forked but it's still relatively the same so far
[02:33] <xannen> I think in future openoffice is going to die.
[02:37] <xannen> sagaci, did you like the 11.04 unity vs gnome?  and what do you think of the 11.10 unity so far?  i'm just reading up on unity now.
[02:38] <sagaci> i've been using both, and unity on 11.10 or about 1-2months now. It's certainly unity upgraded, compared to the unity in natty
[02:38] <xannen> cool.
[02:38] <xannen> i'm reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Unity
[02:40] <sagaci> there's been a fair bit of criticism but I doubt that many didn't use it for very long
[02:43] <xannen> i think the criticism came too early.  when Unity shipped with 11.04, it was not "fully" completed as Shuttleworth wanted it, and lacked features and flexibility.  I believe this is what people see as negative aspects.
[02:43] <sagaci> that's right
[02:45] <sagaci> I still think that unity isn't fully done, as for 11.10, but I'm pretty hopeful for 12.04 for it to be a complete experience
[02:46] <xannen> omg that's next year, i can't wait till next release, let alone next year.  haha.
[02:48] <sagaci> well oneiric is in roughly 3-4 weeks
[02:49] <xannen> Yeah.
[02:51] <xannen> What are you doing now sagaci?
[02:52] <sagaci> bit more translation, just here and here 300 strings
[02:56] <xannen> Hehe...   Specific, I want to know what eclipse package version is shipped in 11.10.  I tried the ppa for eclipse by Benjamin Drung, but it seem buggy.
[07:28] <sagaci> you can try packages.ubuntu.com
[07:29] <xannen> thanks.
[07:29] <sagaci> xannen, http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/eclipse
[07:31] <xannen> omg, it's only 3.5.2.  and i'm using 3.5.2 from 11.04
[07:34] <sagaci> hmmm, mustn't have got an update
[07:34] <sagaci> since it's a pretty huge package
[07:35] <xannen> eclipse is current version: 3.7 -- http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/
[07:35] <sagaci> yeah but like python, I doubt they're always on the latest release
[07:36] <sagaci> latest !~= best to include
[07:36] <xannen> it's sad because openjdk is virtually up to date, and yet eclipse (primarily) is used by java developers don't get enough support.
[07:37] <sagaci> maybe try #ubuntu-java
[07:38] <xannen> okay, i'll go ask there if they have more up to date info.
[07:42] <head_victim> xannen: if you have no luck http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1690523 has details
[07:44] <xannen> thanks head_victim
[07:45] <sagaci> so looks like you should just manually install/put in your home dir
[07:46] <xannen> Yeah I suppose I could.  But I like when it is properly integrated into the filesystem.
[07:49] <xannen> On Unity, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Unity -- is going on a different tangent in terms of development to Gnome.
[07:51] <sagaci> yeah probably but it's still based on gnome 3
[07:52] <gorilla> I wonder if Microsoft took noticed of Unity and decided to steal ideas for the Windows 8 interface :-P
[07:52] <xannen> Yeah, I guess for now.  The impression at this stage is Gnome community and Unity development is likely to go separate ways, unless Gnome follow the philosophy and development of Unity.
[07:52] <head_victim> gorilla: well Apple stole "Launchpad"
[07:53] <xannen> Hahaha...  I won't be surprise if they do.
[07:53] <head_victim> xannen: you're confusing gnome-shell and gnome.
[07:53] <xannen> Unity is open source, correct?
[07:53] <xannen> Yeah, sorry, I mean gnome-shell.
[07:54] <gorilla> xannen: Yes (AFAIK), but Microsoft can't use it. They could it was BSD licensed.
[07:54] <xannen> I'm still reading on Unity.  But it appears to be so many contribution from various source: Qt , Gnome shell, OpenGL Nux, etc...
[07:55] <xannen> I haven't fully read the Licence behind Unity, is it under GPL or variation?
[07:55] <xannen> Yep, GPL v3.
[07:55] <gorilla> v3! Nice move.
[07:56] <xannen> What is new in v3?  It's first time I came across it, and just then, look at Unity Licence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Unity
[07:59] <gorilla> xannen: It is like the GPl that we know and love(some may love to hate it) but prevents the embedding of the software in a device and claiming that you are not distributing the software.
[07:59] <xannen> Ah... Cool.
[07:59] <xannen> I'm still reading about it.
[08:00] <gorilla> fair enough.. but it's easy to boil down into a few sentences :-)
[08:01] <xannen> Yeah I know.  Wall of (legal) text crits xannen for 999999, xannen closes document window.  :D
[08:01] <gorilla> hehe.. enjoy the read. I have read worse agreements.
[08:03] <xannen> I was reading Microsoft Bings Map TOS, and then read Google Maps TOS... And google was easier to understand.  Anyway, I contact Microsoft for further clarification.  And they won't rule anything in or out, even though my question was well written and easy to understand.  They won't answer my specification question unless I'm willing to pay for a consultation with them.
[08:04] <gorilla> yeah... a bit silly.
[08:05] <gorilla> xannen: I'm tracking a ballon called Horus 16 at the following address: http://spacenear.us/tracker/ Not a bad app.
[08:05] <xannen> I hope that one day, Map Services will be free.
[08:06] <gorilla> Open Street Map is our best chance but need a physcial terrain underlay to go with it.
[08:06] <xannen> I felt sorry for "Happy Feet", he got coerced and nudge into the sea.  And only a limited time tracking put on him.  LOL
[08:08] <gorilla> yeah it's  pity that the transponder failed.. could have given us a better picture of where penguins go and do.
[08:13] <xannen> Wow... so many business trade legal review this year...
[08:23] <head_victim> gorilla: I wonder when they give up on the chase. will be interesting to see if it hits' Wagga ;)
[08:29] <gorilla> head_victim: they need to get the payload back!
[08:31]  * head_victim watches it fly over the Pacific
[08:32] <gorilla> what??
[08:34] <gorilla> head_victim: nice one. I was surprised that it moved so quickly :-)
[08:34] <head_victim> Hah give it time ;)
[09:28] <sagaci> head_victim, you around?
[09:32] <gorilla> sagaci: head_victim was last seen an hour ago.
[09:38] <sagaci> that's ok
[09:39] <sagaci> unrelated but here's a bitesize bug for anyone interested in getting into and fixing bugs/bug workflow - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/853115
[09:40]  * benonsoftware might have a look at that night or tomarrow
[09:41]  * benonsoftware just found out he can't fix it tonight
[09:41] <sagaci> it's trivial but it takes a bit to revise the steps
[09:41] <benonsoftware> How did you find it?
[09:41] <sagaci> while translating
[09:41] <benonsoftware> Ah
[09:41] <sagaci> there's a couple
[09:42] <sagaci> benonsoftware, probably a better one - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-style-qtcurve/+bug/852957
[09:42] <sagaci> smaller download
[09:43] <benonsoftware> Should I assigne it to me if I'm going to fix it?
[09:43] <sagaci> because after you get the basics, you can go onto contributing large changes
[09:43] <sagaci> larger*
[09:43] <benonsoftware> Ok
[09:43] <sagaci> yeah, then you unassign after you've done/uploaded the branch
[09:44] <benonsoftware> Ok
[09:44] <sagaci> benonsoftware, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix -- most of that will apply but you don't need to rebuild/test the package since the change is so small and not obtrusive
[09:45] <benonsoftware> Ok
[09:46] <benonsoftware> Should I also change it to fix in progress?
[09:46] <sagaci> yeah, that's fine, you can also add a comment if you want
[09:47] <benonsoftware> What info should I but in the comment?
[09:48] <benonsoftware> put8
[09:49] <benonsoftware> put*
[09:49] <sagaci> Hi, I'll try to have a go at fixing this bug. This is my first bug but I'll follow the advice on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix and ask any questions if I find any problems
[09:49] <sagaci> something like that
[09:49] <sagaci> I'll be back later
[09:53] <xannen> wow... ubuntu 8.04 has such a very long term support.  LOL
[09:53] <benonsoftware> :)
[09:53] <xannen> I'm glad that ubuntu is now doing "rolling" support.
[09:54] <benonsoftware> :)
[09:54] <xannen> lol @ Mr Smiley
[09:55] <head_victim> What do you mean rolling support? Ubuntu has had the same release pattern since the start
[09:56] <xannen> As in, the support period is more limited, compared to the past.  And support for ubuntu is more focus for later release version.
[09:57] <head_victim> Nope, support periods are identical.
[09:57] <head_victim> I think you're confusing Long Term Support (LTS) releases with normal ones.
[09:59] <xannen> Yeah, that's what I mean.  11.04 is supposedly be a LTS, is it not?  But it is that does not seem to be the case.
[10:00] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Can you see the file sagaci was talking about in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-style-qtcurve/+bug/852957 though Loggerhead?
[10:00] <xannen> head_victim, you just made a boo boo in translation.  :P  LOL
[10:05] <xannen> Back on Unity, it is written with Qt and QML, but will be release as Free, like GPL and the like?
[10:17] <head_victim> xannen: where?
[10:18] <xannen> head_victim, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Unity ; see Development Section
[10:18] <head_victim> I didn't translate that
[10:19] <xannen> Oh... I was making reference to lubotu2 comment, it was a joke.
[10:22] <head_victim> Ahh ok
[10:35] <xannen> gorilla, are you there?
[10:35] <gorilla> xannen: yeah. I'm hear.
[10:36] <xannen> In terms of most free-ness, which licence provides that: LGPL or GPL ?
[10:39] <gorilla> LGPL is more for libraries and the like. But I have never compared the two side by side for the real differences.
[10:40] <xannen> I was just looking at Qt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_%28framework%29 ; and it seem that Open source Qt can be either GPL or LGPL, but proprietary only give LGPL.
[10:41] <xannen> C++ syntax annoys me so much.  LOL
[11:59] <jargonfactory> xannen: use python; be happy.
[11:59] <jargonfactory> \o.
[12:05] <jargonfactory> this place used to have so many users couple of years back. orly, dns, elk were few i remember from back then :-)
[12:09] <xannen> hi jargon
[12:09] <jargonfactory> yo
[12:11] <xannen> nah, i'll stick to C++ or Java. :P
[12:11] <jargonfactory> heh. well, what part of C++ annoys you anyway?
[12:14] <xannen> garbage collection :D
[12:14] <xannen> and some syntax.
[12:15] <xannen> i am more use to syntax: Object o = new Object(); compare to: Object o();
[12:15] <jargonfactory> ahh automatic memory management thingy or proper gc?
[12:16] <jargonfactory> last time i checked it, C++ didn't do gc but I could be wrong.
[12:16] <xannen> any...  lol.  i have too much early exposure to Java and C#.  ahaha.  and going back to C/C++ feels painful.
[12:17] <xannen> yeah, C++ don't have Garbage collection.
[12:18] <jargonfactory> great
[12:44] <sagaci> head_victim, ping
[12:44] <head_victim> sagaci: about to head to bed mate, what can I do you for
[12:44] <xannen> !ping
[12:44] <xannen> lol
[12:45] <head_victim> !cookie
[12:45] <sagaci> head_victim, http://paste.ubuntu.com/692273/ does that make sense to you , in sense, I did that for ben for a bug, to show workflow
[12:46] <head_victim> Looks ok, I've never done the process though so not 100%
[12:47] <sagaci> do you know how long pastes are retained?
[12:50] <head_victim> I'm being told "forever"
[12:50] <sagaci> righteo then
[12:50] <sagaci> thanks
[12:55] <head_victim> No worries, I'm off to bed, gotta be up in 5 hours again. Cheerio
[12:55] <xannen> Good night head_victim.


[01:54] <LinDol> hi all
[14:38] <daniele_> Hi everyone
[14:38] <daniele_> Can someone help me with a problem with GTK + 3themes?
[14:52] <ricotz> daniele_, try #gtk+ on GIMPNet
[14:53] <daniele_> Ok I'll try ;)
[14:56] <ricotz> daniele_, and summarise your problem immediately and don't ask to ask ;)
[14:56] <daniele_> Ah okok thank you
[15:25] <daniele_> On gtk+ they told me that this issue can be caused by some Ubuntu modification on gtk libraries
[15:25] <daniele_> Anyone have tried to apply different theme from Adwaita on Ubuntu 16.04?