[00:18] <valorie> mparillo: thank you for laying that case out
[00:19] <valorie> I mean, the Qt 6 megarelease has not happened yet, much less been tested
[01:41] <mesto> Hi
[01:42] <mesto> is it possible to install kubuntu on hp zbook 17 g3?
[01:44] <Eickmeyer> mesto: Most likely, download it. It's a live .iso image, so you can boot it and find out.
 Thanks for your reply 😊 (re @IrcsomeBot: <mparillo> No, Kubuntu Backports PPA needs to have a Qt version compatible and tested with the larger Ubuntu project, so Plasma 6 will not come to Kubuntu backports in coming weeks. To test on Kubuntu, you would want to compile Qt 6.6 first, then KDE Frameworks, and the Plasma (I think). At that point, it is no longer recognizably Kubuntu.)
[08:39] <user|81> comment dezoomzer l'ecran de son pc
 Login is temperamental! Sometimes it works, sometimes not. Sometimes I have to reboot, and reboot.
 If I log back in from the screen lock it will only work if I hit the arrow. Enter appears to perhaps do a backspace.
 nb. This behaviour many have started after upgrade to Mantic.
 After trying a few things, I added backports and this solved the issue. (re @Anarchotaoist: Login is temperamental! Sometimes it works, sometimes not. Sometimes I have to reboot, and reboot.
 If I log back in from the screen lock it will only work if I hit the arrow. Enter appears to perhaps do a backspace.
 nb. This behaviour many have started after upgrade to Mantic.)
[10:16] <mparillo> Off-topic, but I have been running one laptop on Plasma 6 on KaOS off-and-on since the summer and daily since 2023-09-23, and another laptop with Arch with Plasma 6 off-and-on for a couple of weeks. This will not be like the introduction of KDE 4 (which later got renamed to Plasma 4).
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:19] <yossarianuk> Hi. after many years i've now got zoom (screen sharing) working in Wayland - which was the only stopper for me using it on my work laptop
[14:20] <yossarianuk> seems good so far....
[14:20] <yossarianuk> I had to enable titlebar in firefox also (as was missing minimise, etc buttons)
[14:20] <yossarianuk> the desktop effects seems smoother
[14:22] <yossarianuk> (for firefox - minimise/max, etc buttons i used this -> https://discuss.kde.org/t/firefox-minimise-and-full-screen-buttons-missing-since-switch-to-wayland/6845/5 )
[14:22] <yossarianuk> (running 23.10 btw)
[14:23] <yossarianuk> after the news that redhat is dropping Xorg i thought i'd better start to use it
[14:28] <yossarianuk> (and I have nvidia (hybrid)  - the vulkan demos also seem faster - i.e I can move the vkcube windows around the screen with 0 slowdown)
[14:29] <yossarianuk> so far this seems like a painless change...
[16:30] <user|65> how do i update bios?
[20:36] <MrBellisarius> I'm using Kubuntu 22.04.3 and I wish to use X11 rather than Wayland. I can't find any way of doing this.
[20:38] <valorie> I'm using x11 -- just never turned on wayland
[20:38] <valorie> !wayland
[20:39] <valorie> !xwayland
[20:39] <valorie> MrBellisarius: ^^^
[20:43] <MrBellisarius> OK. I've been using X11 for about 30 years, and I'm quite happy with it. I've just installed Kubuntu on a computer I use a lot from a remote windows computer. I normally do this by MobaXterm. I'm getting a lot of problems which appear to be related to wayland. As I'm more than happy with X11, the simple solution would be to switch to X11...if
[20:43] <MrBellisarius> possible.


[07:24] <lordievader> Good morning
[14:22] <teward> cpaelzer: regarding 1893753.  no i havent made any plans to uograde because E:BUSY - theres also an additional dependency it needs packaged first.  I dont see this reported in Debian so maybe we need to check there too to see how they want to handle?
[14:23] <teward> because more deltas is... meh
[15:59] <xibalba> who could i inform that ns1 doesn't have a AAAA record?
[16:01] <sdeziel> ns1 from which domain?
[16:02] <xibalba> ns1,2,3.canonical.com. tried to lookup via whois, but it's privacy guard.
[16:03] <sdeziel> ah, right, none of those seems to have AAAA
[16:03] <sdeziel> maybe the IS team?
[16:10] <teward> um, isn't this By Design?
[16:10] <teward> sdeziel: ^
[16:10] <teward> to my knowledge NONE of the Canonical infra has v6 on it
[16:10] <teward> so no AAAA records is By Design
[16:11] <sdeziel> canonical.com has AAAA
[16:11] <teward> well
[16:12] <teward> xibalba: i can confirm the records exist
[16:12] <teward> so
[16:13] <xibalba> the NS1 server doesnt, so my ipv6 only resolver can't get the AAAA records for ubuntu.com, etc..
[16:13] <teward> xibalba: you never stated the *domain* you were working with
[16:13] <teward> state that in #canonical-sysadmin
[16:13] <teward> andonly there now
[16:37] <MIF> Is there a way for me to have the output print to a file and to my screen?
[16:37] <MIF> for example this command md5deep -r * > md5.txt
[16:39] <xibalba> MIF, try the script command
[16:39] <MIF> the what?
[16:39] <xibalba> which script
[16:39] <xibalba> - /usr/bin/script
[16:40] <MIF> /bin/md5deep
[16:41] <MIF> is that what you where looking for?
[16:44] <xibalba> no, lookup the command called 'script'
[16:44] <xibalba> type 'man script' on your terminal
[16:44] <MIF> ok?
[16:44] <xibalba> that will print your standard terminal output to your screen and to a file
[16:44] <genii> https://askubuntu.com/questions/625224/how-to-redirect-stderr-to-a-file
[16:45] <genii> Is probably more the solution required
[16:46] <tribaal> thanks
[16:46] <tribaal> (sorry, wrong chan. But thanks for all the good work everyone :) )
[16:47] <sdeziel> MIF sounds like you want "tee"
[16:47] <genii> The "script" command is more of a fake shell which can record all the commands and output of the commands
[16:47] <MIF> so this genii?  md5deep -r * >md5.txt 2>&1
[16:47] <genii> MIF: Yes
[16:48] <MIF> when I run that it dose not print it out, just to the file
[16:51] <MIF> I got it
[16:51] <MIF> I just had to flip the order around
[16:51] <MIF> to make it  md5deep -r * >&1 2>md5.txt
[16:51] <genii> I figured if you studied the answer givent here, it would occur to you
[16:51] <genii> given there, rather
[16:52] <MIF> thank you for your help
[16:56] <genii> Glad to assist
[16:58] <MIF> after me running that it only printed the errors so I just had to so a normal md5deep -r * >md5.txt then just tail the file
[19:55] <xibalba> whats the proper way to persist iptables config between reboots?
[19:56] <sdeziel> xibalba: apt install iptables-persistent
[19:58] <xibalba> thank you
[19:58] <sdeziel> yw
[23:38] <geosmile>  is there a way to hide from an attack on AWS on an Ec2 instance where I am root, but the account is controlled by someone else (who can clone the instance, or shutdown the instance etc)?
[23:39] <Ussat> wat ?
[23:50] <geosmile> Ussat, what is not clear on my question?
[23:50] <oerheks> if you are root, you are in control.
[23:51] <sarnold> I didn't understand it at all
[23:51] <oerheks> the 'but the account is controlled by someone else´  is weird
[23:51] <Ussat> and "hide from" ?
[23:51] <oerheks> are you legally owner?
[23:57] <JanC> I assume the AWS account is controlled by someone else
[23:57] <JanC> and that person isn't easily reachable maybe
[23:59] <geosmile> oerheks, There is a client of mine that owns an AWS account - I am root on one of the machines they created for me. I am root on the machine.
[23:59] <geosmile> I would like to encrypt/hide everything I do from the AWS account. The AWS account owner has the ability to clone the machine, shutdown the machine. Almost like having physical access to the machine.


[00:18] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3885 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.1.32
[02:03] <CIA-3> console-setup: cjwatson * r132 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog config.proto):
[02:03] <CIA-3> console-setup: Set default layout for Guernsey, Jersey, and the Isle of Man to gb
[02:03] <CIA-3> console-setup: (LP: #533003).
[06:59] <Santa_Claws> Hi Guys; how do you set the appropriate flags when using the configure scripts included with source software?
[07:45] <bananeweizen> I have layout issues on page 5 (user account) when running the daily CD image in test drive with German language. Is this a known bug?
[21:11] <shtylman> does the gtk installer also fail at the language page?
[21:11] <superm1> i just ran today's daily mythbuntu w/o troubles a few minutes ago
[21:11] <superm1> what's the failure look like?
[21:12] <shtylman> superm1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/389855/
[21:13] <shtylman> maybe I am not running the latest ubiquity... I thought I was... but lemme double check...
[21:14] <superm1> the kde_ui is missing support for not_me it looks like
[21:14] <superm1> compare Controller.translate in gtk_ui
[21:14] <shtylman> k.. lemme check that out
[21:15] <cjwatson> I got partway into fixing Kubuntu ubiquity at the end of the week, but it took me about three hours to figure out why install-only mode was bust and fix that :) hadn't got into the installer proper yet
[21:15] <shtylman> superm1: yea... kde side is missing a few things... well time to bring it up to speed :)
[21:15] <cjwatson> it's reputed to need a lot of love at the moment
[21:16] <shtylman> cjwatson: indeed... hopefuly I have some to give
[21:16] <cjwatson> please do, I'll chip in start of next week too
[21:18] <shtylman> cjwatson: cool
[21:18] <shtylman> cjwatson: I think something of importance we can discuss at UDS ... at least in spare time is documenting this beast and whatnot
[21:19] <superm1> cjwatson, mythbuntu daily appears to work properly w/ maybe-ubiquity appended to kernel command line, where exactly do things need to be changed so that it gets a gfxboot with that stuff enabled?
[21:19] <shtylman> at least think about what we can do to catch code changes better... since we don't have a "compiler" per se
[21:26] <cjwatson> if we could fix up the partial pychecker stuff that's in there, that would be good
[21:27] <cjwatson> some of its current reports are bogus so we can't just run it automatically right now
[21:27] <cjwatson> superm1: debian-cd - I'm happy to do it, just tell me what the first screen should look like
[21:28] <superm1> cjwatson, same like how the ubuntu one is doing it is fine (just showing the logo) , thanks
[21:28] <cjwatson> ok
[21:29] <cjwatson> on the smartphone right now, will do it later
[21:31] <shtylman> cjwatson: oooo fancy
[22:24] <shtylman> is there a problem with manual partitioning at the moment?
[22:24] <ev> nope
[22:24] <shtylman> then its a kde side issues :(
[22:24] <ev> not in the GTK+ frontend, anyway
[22:24] <shtylman> sadness
[22:24] <ev> haha
[22:26] <cjwatson> ok, now kubuntu install-only fails because ibus-daemon isn't running
[22:26] <cjwatson> I think
[22:26] <shtylman> heh
[22:26] <shtylman> cjwatson: did you fix the language page thing? cause I fixed it on my end as well
[22:27] <shtylman> right now I hit another issue with trying to manually partition
[22:27] <cjwatson> shtylman: no
[22:27] <ev> I'm fixing the not_me thing as we speak
[22:27] <shtylman> cjwatson: ok... was just curious if I would have to resolve conflicts.. no worries then
[22:28] <shtylman> ev: I fixed it in my copy..
[22:28] <shtylman> just havn't commited to trunk
[22:28] <ev> oh, feel free to commit then
[22:28] <ev> sure thing
[22:28] <shtylman> fixed it a few min ago
[22:28] <ev> good deal
[22:28] <shtylman> at least added the extra parameter
[22:28] <shtylman> didn't do anything with it really beyond the one extra if check
[22:29] <ev> indeed, that's all there is to it
[22:29] <shtylman> cool
[22:32] <ev> shtylman: I don't think qt's copy of webkit needs it just yet, but if the slideshow suddenly stops working, you might need to set the property that we enable in the GTK+ frontend.
[22:32] <ev> enable-file-access-from-file-uris, that is
[22:32] <shtylman> ev: noted... why was that needed?
[22:32] <ev> Google
[22:33] <ev> context: http://www.gitorious.org/webkit/webkit/commit/624b9463c33adbffa7f6705210384d0d7cf122d6
[22:33] <shtylman> interesting
[22:33] <ev> errr https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34778
[22:36] <shtylman> ev: http://paste.ubuntu.com/389893/
[22:36] <shtylman> thats what happens when I try manual partitioning in kubuntu
[22:36] <shtylman> doesn't make much sense to me as I don't know much about the debconf stuff
[22:44] <ev> ah, that looks like my fault
[22:44]  * ev digs
[22:45] <cjwatson> if you run ubiquity in debug mode, it generally includes a debconf trace which is a lot easier to use to debug that kind of thing
[22:45]  * shtylman forgives ev ;)
[22:45] <cjwatson> METAGET <question> description  is in general the right number of arguments, so I suspect that question is an empty string here or something
[22:45] <ev> debconf, however, is not so forgiving
[22:45] <shtylman> how does ubiquity talk to debconf?
[22:45] <shtylman> c api type deal?
[22:45] <shtylman> dbus?
[22:45] <cjwatson> no, debconf uses a stdin/stdout protocol
[22:45] <cjwatson> man debconf-devel
[22:46] <ev> (and see ubiquity/debconffilter.py)
[22:46] <cjwatson> write down a file descriptor, read answer back from another file descriptor
[22:46] <cjwatson> there's a bit about this in doc/README, actually
[22:46] <shtylman> I see
[22:47] <shtylman> and debconf does all the work behind the scenes for us? and just tells us what to expect/do next?
[22:48] <shtylman> it also tells us the capabilities of the system?
[22:48] <shtylman> like partition options...
[22:48] <ev> ubiquity communicates with the d-i components via debconf
[22:48] <cjwatson> kind of ... the code that uses debconf is basically what you see in d-i
[22:48] <shtylman> I see
[23:05] <shtylman> ev: just so I am clear... the only thing to add to the frontend to support this new immediate ubiquity mode is a button (or combo) to let the user choose to try or install ... correct?
[23:06] <ev> not exactly
[23:06] <ev> you might want to do a bzr diff -c on my changes to ubi-language.py
[23:06] <shtylman> k
[23:07] <shtylman> will do that
[23:07] <ev> you need to hide some things when not in greeter mode
[23:07] <shtylman> makes sense
[23:07] <ev> and substitute the MEDIUM and RELEASE variables
[23:08] <shtylman> k
[23:08] <shtylman> is there a test mode for this?
[23:09] <shtylman> like a flag to ubiquity by any chance?
[23:09] <shtylman> --greeter :)
[23:12] <ev> yup :)
[23:14] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3886 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog): Wait for kwriteconfig to exit before proceeding.
[23:16] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3887 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog debian/control):
[23:16] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Start ibus-daemon when starting KDE in install-only mode, which should
[23:16] <CIA-3> ubiquity: make a few things a bit happier.
[23:17] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3888 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-partman.py):
[23:17] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Derive partman component's PageNoninteractive class from PageBase rather
[23:17] <CIA-3> ubiquity: than PluginUI, so that it has all the required methods.
[23:19] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3889 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-partman.py):
[23:19] <CIA-3> ubiquity: * Fix call to self.progress_start in ubi-partman.
[23:19] <CIA-3> ubiquity: * Also display progress titles on the advanced partitioning page.
[23:19] <ev> shtylman: ^ give that a try, I think it should fix the bug you're hitting
[23:19] <cjwatson> I have no idea why I ran into the problem in r3888; I was booting Kubuntu, it shouldn't have gone near noninteractive
[23:20] <ev> ubiquity seems to have a habit of falling into the noninteractive frontend from, presumably, ubiquity-dm, when it fails
[23:21] <ev> despite the changes we've made to stop that from happening
[23:21] <shtylman> ev: will do :)
[23:22] <cjwatson> the odd thing is that it didn't write anything to the debug log when it failed the first time
[23:22] <cjwatson> oh, although there are two startup lines
[23:25] <cjwatson> ah, if ubiquity-dm itself fails, then we'll end up in noninteractive
[23:26] <cjwatson> you know, we should send tracebacks from ubiquity-dm somewhere
[23:26] <cjwatson> its failure modes are horrendous to debug
[23:26] <cjwatson> I wonder why I didn't just make it send all its output to /var/log/installer/dm
[23:28] <shtylman> cjwatson: ev: http://paste.ubuntu.com/389925/
[23:28] <shtylman> thats what happens for manual mode now
[23:28] <ev> bah, on it
[23:28] <shtylman> :)
[23:29] <ev> I suspect this is basically the same thing I just fixed, only with progress_stop
[23:31] <cjwatson> the *args there looks like a bit of a case of believing pychecker
[23:31] <cjwatson> I should disable the really stupid warnings across the board maybe ...
[23:31] <cjwatson> pretty sure there's at least one that lies too often to be worthwhile
[23:32] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3890 ubiquity/bin/ubiquity-dm: try to keep to 80 columns a bit more
[23:34] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3891 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-partman.py): Fix call to self.progress_stop in ubi-partman.
[23:35] <cjwatson> ev: why not just def progress_stop(self):?
[23:36] <cjwatson> a dummy arg there seems very strange given that PROGRESS STOP does not take any further arguments in debconf
[23:36] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3892 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/control): revert r3887, clearly wrong as ibus is not in the kubuntu-desktop task
[23:38] <ev> ah, I wasn't sure why we were passing an argument in the first place
[23:43] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3893 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog):
[23:43] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Stop starting gdm and kdm by hand on exit from /var/log/installer/dm
[23:43] <CIA-3> ubiquity: (using /etc/init.d/ calls, no less). The Upstart jobs are written so
[23:43] <CIA-3> ubiquity: that this happens automatically if necessary.
[23:43] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3894 ubiquity/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Don't accept unnecessary arguments to progress_stop anymore.
[23:46] <shtylman> ev: from what I can see the pre-release warning is wrapped up into the language page now? correct?
[23:47] <cjwatson> ev: my fault, by the looks of things; it goes all the way back to r596
[23:47] <CIA-3> ubiquity: superm1 * r3895 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py): Fix wrong page to jump back to when partitioning fails during install.
[23:47] <ev> cjwatson: lets call it even, given the /etc/init.d/gdm start ;)
[23:48] <ev> 'night all
[23:48] <shtylman> peace
[23:48] <cjwatson> ev: heh
[23:49] <ev> superm1: thanks for fixing that.  I had it on my todo list after I saw the error in the log you posted the other day
[23:49] <cjwatson> ev: your code was at least correct at the time ;-)
[23:49] <ev> haha
[23:51] <superm1> ev, np, i just remembered it from the other day too


[02:25] <xjds535> Anyone on that wouldn't mind helping troubleshooting a CouchDB sync issue, please?
[03:13] <xjds535> Anyone on that could spare a bit to troubleshoot CouchDB sync issues with U1, please?
[03:23] <Rickenbacker660> How can I troubleshoot my Evolution Sync problems? Anyone know? I can create contacts in my local "Ubuntu One" database, but they never sync, and my local Evolution never gets my contacts from U1.
[03:45] <beuno> Rickenbacker660, we're in the middle of an upgrade to couch's servers
[03:46] <beuno> there will be some problems with syncing until Monday, where we'll hopefully have a nice set of stable servers
[03:46] <Rickenbacker660> I've been fighting this for about two weeks, which is why I'm asking.
[03:46] <beuno> apologies for the inconveniences
[03:46] <beuno> Rickenbacker660, it hasn't synced in 2 weeks?  did it ever sync?
[03:46] <Rickenbacker660> I can see in my log where I'm not authenticating, but I'm "paired" with the U1...
[03:46] <Rickenbacker660> Not on this machine, no. And it's only the CouchDB bit.
[03:46] <Rickenbacker660> Notes/Files work fine.
[03:47] <beuno> ah, I see
[03:47] <beuno> that's interesting
[03:47] <beuno> Rickenbacker660, can you please file a bug with the relevant information?
[03:47] <beuno> we'll look into it on Monday
[03:47] <Rickenbacker660> I did.
[03:47] <beuno> great
[03:47] <beuno> what's the bug #?
[03:48] <Rickenbacker660> I won't post logs until marked private.
[03:48] <beuno> I'll mark it private
[03:48] <Rickenbacker660> 543143
[03:48] <Rickenbacker660> Thanks.
[03:49] <beuno> Rickenbacker660, done
[03:49] <Rickenbacker660> I filed another for the documentation- after removing the "U1 Token" one needs to restart the local Ubuntu One client, but it's not mentioned that one has to...
[03:49] <Rickenbacker660> Thanks. I'll get to work posting logs.
[03:50] <beuno> thanks
[03:50] <beuno> I'll chase it up on Monday
[03:51] <Rickenbacker660> K. I've not dug into the python... But I can give whatever trace you'd like.
[03:51] <Rickenbacker660> Versed in strace, if necessary.
[03:51] <beuno> Rickenbacker660, I think that plus the logs should be enough for us to start digging
[03:51] <beuno> that will come in handy if it's not an obvious or known problem  :)
[03:52] <Rickenbacker660> I think this started when I installed two weekends ago (or was it last?) where for a time the U1 web wouldn't display notes or clients.
[03:52] <Rickenbacker660> Er... "Address book" entries.
[04:00] <Rickenbacker660> What's a o.u.c key, please?
[05:10] <babaji> hello there
[05:11] <babaji> u guys know if we can ftp into the ubuntu one servers?
[05:12] <beuno> babaji, you can't
[05:18] <babaji> beuno, thank you
[23:38] <Claudinux> hi all, is there some known issue with ubuntuone and lucid?
[23:52] <duanedesign> Claudinux: what seems to be the problem?
[23:53] <duanedesign> there are a few known issues listed in the channel topic
[23:54] <Claudinux> duanedesign, i can't connect to ubuntuone
[23:54] <Claudinux> when i try to do that i have a crash duanedesign
[23:54] <duanedesign> ok
[23:55] <duanedesign> Claudinux: do you have anything in the file:  ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log
[23:58] <Claudinux> duanedesign, no, it's empty


[05:01] <Kilos> morning buntu peeps
[05:03] <Kilos> sjoe Vince-0 you here early
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[06:59] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
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[07:05] <nlsthzn> morning all
[07:11] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[07:12] <Kilos> whew those macs are expensive hey
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[07:22] <Kilos> nlsthzn, how do i see the re-eval page as they will see it not as something that can be edited
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[07:53] <Kilos> ok lemme ask the bot
[07:53] <Kilos> Maaz,
[07:53] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[07:53] <Kilos> aw i forgot
[07:53] <Kilos> Maaz, re-eval
[07:53] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[07:54] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication2014
[07:58] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:58] <inetpro> Kilos: what;s the problem?
[07:59] <Kilos> i frorgot what i told maaz to remember what the link was for the re-evaluation thing sir
[07:59] <Kilos> forgot too
[07:59] <Kilos> and a good morning to you
[07:59] <inetpro> is it important?
[08:00] <Kilos> na i bookmarket it in browser as well ty
[08:00] <Kilos> marked
[08:01] <inetpro> if you get lost just go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam
[08:01] <Kilos> ah ty inetpro
[08:01] <Kilos> Maaz, team is <reply> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam
[08:01] <Maaz> Kilos: If you say so
[08:02] <inetpro> ai!
[08:02] <inetpro> you'll have to remember to remember what to remember
[08:03] <Kilos> haha that seems to be the prob thats why i try keep it as basic as possible
[08:21] <Kilos> ha i remembered
[08:21] <Kilos> Maaz, reapp
[08:21] <Maaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication2014
[08:25] <inetpro> a terrible word that
[08:25] <Kilos> supposed to mean re_app
[08:25] <Kilos> re-app
[08:25] <Kilos> Maaz, forget reapp
[08:25] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[08:26] <Kilos> i tired now
[08:28] <Kilos> oh inetpro i found a wifi hotspot close by
[08:28] <Kilos> further towards brits and about 3 ks i think
[08:29] <Kilos> i dunno how to measure crow fly distance
[08:29] <Kilos> so no hills between
[08:56] <gremble> o/
[08:56] <nlsthzn> Kilos, that is the way the page will look for everyone
[08:57] <Kilos> ok ty nlsthzn
[08:57] <Kilos> hi gremble
[09:14] <bushtech> Kilos, to measure crow fly distance google earth or mapsource/basecamp can all do it I think
[09:26] <Kilos> hmm....
[09:27] <Kilos> what do isps use for their coverage maps
[09:28] <Kilos> like on this link
[09:28] <Kilos> http://www.telkommobile.co.za/wifi/#q%3Dmagaliesmoot%2C%20South%20Africa
[09:29] <Kilos> type in magaliesmoot in the search block
[09:30] <Kilos> oh i think you must choose prepaid first then wifi i forget now
[10:16] <charl> good morning
[10:16] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:16]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[10:19] <charl> dirty mugs again
[10:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[10:25] <Kilos> hi charl
[11:13] <nlsthzn> due to inactivity the ZA subforum in ubuntuforums.org has been closed :/
[11:20] <Kilos> ya
[11:21] <Kilos> we help peeps here not in a forum
[11:29] <gremble> Why does a subforum have to be closed
[11:29] <gremble> It is not like it takes a lot of resources, especially when it is inactive
[11:33] <nlsthzn> I guess not but all loco's that had inactive subforums where archived, they can be re-opened if needed off course
[11:34] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[11:34] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[11:34] <charl> hi Kilos
[12:46] <magespawn> good afternoon
[12:47] <inetpro> hullo magespawn
[12:48] <magespawn> how is it, inetpro?
[12:51] <inetpro> very very hot here in Pretoria
[12:55] <nlsthzn> nice autumn weather here - only 33
[12:59] <inetpro> 30°C here inside with 40% humidity, too much for me
[13:00] <inetpro> not sure about the accuracy of the humidity though
[13:01] <inetpro> magic mobile phone telling me that
[13:03] <charl> hey inetpro
[13:03] <inetpro> hi charl
[13:03] <charl> how's it going
[13:04] <charl> oh sorry you already answered that :p
[13:04] <charl> hi magespawn
[13:14] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[13:17] <Kilos> we might get a storm later to cool it off for the old and feeble
[13:18] <gremble> With all this heat it will probably be hail
[13:18] <Kilos> hail cools it quick
[13:18] <gremble> Ya, does not mean I like it :P
[13:18] <gremble> We have a flat roof
[13:18] <gremble> Last time there was bad hail, it broke
[13:19] <Kilos> eish
[13:19] <Kilos> last hail we had stripped all the fruit trees
[13:20] <gremble> It is very good for the trees though.
[13:20] <gremble> Hail puts a lot of nitrogen back into the ground
[13:20] <Kilos> oh yes hail is good for all plants but only after theyve recovered from the damage
[13:50] <magespawn> hi Kilos, hi charl
[13:51] <magespawn> i am nice and cool for once, down here
[13:51] <Kilos> haha is it building up to rain magespawn ?
[13:52] <magespawn> gotta go install a satellite dish
[13:52] <magespawn> no just over cast and cool
[13:52] <Kilos> that place can cook with the best of them
[13:52] <magespawn> we are having a nice start to summer so far, had a couple of hot days but not sustained yet
[13:53] <magespawn> gotta go now, dish install, chat later
[13:53] <Kilos> go install your dish so you dont have to work late unless they giving supper too
[13:53] <Kilos> enjoy
[13:53] <magespawn> later
[14:41] <Kilos> bushtech, i used google maps and a vernier and looks like the hotspot is only 1 k from here
[14:41] <Kilos> https://maps.google.com/maps?output=classic&dg=brw
[14:42] <Kilos> but also realised i gave my wifi card and yagi to ian
[14:42] <Kilos> sigh
[14:42] <Kilos> hehe
[14:48] <charl> does anyone happen to have any experience getting vlc working on raspbian ?
[14:50] <Kilos> whats raspbian
[14:51] <gremble> debian on a raspberry pi
[14:51] <charl> version of debian that runs on raspberry pi
[14:52] <charl> yes
[14:52] <Kilos> oi you okes and your toys
[14:52] <charl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8775430/
[14:52] <charl> that's what i did so far but not working
[14:53] <Kilos> hasnt it got a package manager
[14:53] <Kilos> to sort dependancies
[14:53] <charl> regular apt but the apt package does not work
[14:53] <charl> not compiled properly
[14:53] <Kilos> anreinstall apt
[14:54] <Kilos> can you install aptitude on it
[14:54] <Kilos> is aptitude debian or ubuntu only
[14:54] <gremble> Aptitude is debian
[14:55] <gremble> That is why ubuntu can use it
[14:55] <gremble> Ubuntu is based on debian
[14:55] <charl> it's not apt's fault it's the package
[14:55] <charl> that's why i need to compile
[14:55] <Kilos> cool then use aptitude charl it will give more feedback
[14:55] <gremble> Is it a schlep to compile packages on the raspberry?
[14:55] <charl> nono you don't understand Kilos
[14:56] <charl> the package installs
[14:56] <charl> but it is not compiled to work with the gpu that's on the board
[14:56] <charl> it's broadcom so it's problematic
[14:56] <Kilos> ai!
[14:56] <gremble> Isn't the r-pi supposed to be fully open hardware?
[14:56] <charl> gremble: it's slow. very slow. the rpi is slow to start off with.
[14:56] <charl> nono broadcom is not known for being open
[14:57] <charl> openbsd refuses to run on it because of those issue
[14:57] <charl> omxplayer runs perfectly with hardware acceleration
[14:57] <charl> but omxplayer does not support subtitles well
[14:57] <charl> and that happens to be important for me
[14:58] <charl> compiling vlc took a couple of hours
[14:58] <gremble> charl: http://hertaville.com/2014/04/12/cross-compiling-qt4-app/ perhaps you can cross-compile from the PC
[14:59] <charl> the issue is not qt
[14:59] <charl> i run the command line version of vlc
[14:59] <charl> the problems are related to audio and codecs
[14:59] <gremble> That is now spesific to QT4 apps, but I am sure you can use the same cross-comp toolchain
[14:59] <gremble> I didn't link for QT.
[14:59] <gremble> I linked for the toolchain
[14:59] <charl> ah so, lemme take a look
[15:00] <charl> interesting
[15:00] <charl> that will speed things up a lot
[15:01] <charl> but i still need the right compile options
[15:01] <charl> that's what i'm having trouble with right now
[15:01] <gremble> Ah ok
[15:02] <charl> thanks for the help though but i think i need somebody with experience having done this before
[15:02] <charl> thought i might hit it lucky :)
[15:02] <Kilos> haha
[15:02] <charl> i think i need to ask on some rpi channels
[15:02] <charl> it's a pity because omxplayer works great (for the most part)
[15:02] <charl> maybe i should try patching it
[15:03] <charl> and forget about vlc entirely
[15:04] <charl> or i should simply cave in and use xbmc :)
[15:05] <charl> but i really like the ability to control the video via ssh
[15:05] <Kilos> dont give up till you have proved its impossible
[15:06] <Kilos> proven
[15:06] <Kilos> and battling with it will keep you out of other trouble
[15:09] <charl> gremble: i found this earlier which is related https://github.com/rcarmo/raspbian-vlc-cross-compile
[15:09] <charl> it lets you compile vlc inside a VM using vagrant
[15:09] <charl> also a very nice concept i think
[15:09] <charl> lol Kilos
[15:09] <charl> i have lots to do here :P not just compile stuff the whole day
[15:10] <gremble> Ya. you need a compiler that can compile it into the correct bytecode/instruction set
[15:11] <charl> precisely yeah but clearly that's not a problem
[15:12] <charl> it is heck of a lot faster than compiling on the rpi
[15:12] <charl> i am very impressed with the minimalism though
[15:12] <charl> -/+ buffers/cache:        25M       348M
[15:12] <charl> only uses 25M with nothing open other than standard ssh
[15:12] <charl> that's impressive
[16:31] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:31] <inetpro> Maaz: hmm...
[16:31] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[16:32] <charl> hmmmmmmmm
[16:33] <inetpro> uh!?
[16:35] <Kilos> what does uh!? mean inetpro ?
[16:37] <Kilos> you winning charl ?
[16:37] <Kilos> or you gave up
[16:38] <Kilos> you okes all need to get bell.ogg alert/notifications working so you dont take a week to answer
[16:38] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[16:38] <Kilos> s3 fixed?
[16:38] <superfly> hi Kilos, no.
[16:39] <Kilos> oh my what happened you always fix things
[16:51] <charl> Kilos: i'm asking on #raspbian now
[16:51] <charl> i'll see if i get some luck
[17:04] <charl> nope no luck
[17:04] <charl> channel is dead
[17:04] <charl> that said, it's saturday evening
[17:11] <Kilos> other irc channels you can wait half a day for help
[17:32] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:32] <Kilos> biblical justice with a twist
[17:32] <Kilos> http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/10/31/congodemocratic-rebels-idINKBN0IK1SL20141031
[17:51] <charl> true, true
[17:52] <charl> yum that sounds delicious
[17:52] <charl> good thing i had an early dinner
[17:52] <Kilos> eeeek
[17:52] <Kilos> lol
[17:52] <Kilos> can safe on the food bills that way
[17:52] <Kilos> how far is kenya from there
[17:53] <charl> in the west they say "i killed a man" and in afrika they say "i fed my family"
[17:53] <Kilos> maybe andrew gets eaten if his servers crash
[17:53] <charl> uganda and some other countries are in between
[17:54] <charl> Symmetria: they gonna turn you into roast
[17:55] <charl> i don't think the kenyans would do that though
[17:55] <charl> kenyans are very nice people
[17:55] <charl> the somalis might
[17:55] <Kilos> hehe
[17:55] <charl> no i think the somalies will just threat you with a bomb
[17:55] <Kilos> and then eat the pieces
[17:55] <charl> yeah the kenyans don't like them
[17:56] <Kilos> thats kind of rough in this day and age
[17:57] <charl> it's sad
[17:57] <charl> days are getting shorter ... i feel the winter coming
[17:57] <charl> today was nice though, clear skies and 20 degrees
[17:57] <Kilos> 20 is winter
[17:58] <charl> nono
[17:58] <charl> -20 is winter
[17:58] <charl> fortunately not in NL
[17:58] <charl> here -2 is winter
[17:58] <Kilos> no man thats the temp you keep meat at for years before you cook and eat it
[17:58] <charl> very cold that here, in lapland everyone would run outside
[17:59] <charl> in lapland they don't even see the sun those people
[18:00] <charl> half the year they live in darkness
[18:00] <Kilos> eish
[18:00] <charl> not my climate i would get crazy
[18:00] <charl> *become
[18:01] <charl> that's no climate for a normal person that's for eskimos
[18:01] <Kilos> yeah
[18:02] <Kilos> but not much flu around there i think
[18:03] <charl> it's too cold for flu
[18:03] <charl> nothing survives
[18:04] <Kilos> i wonder if they got aids there
[18:26] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:24] <charl> wb theblazehen


[23:26] <fschuindt> Guys, I am using Backtrack 5 R3 (I have the same problem on ubuntu before) on a VBox macbook host. I get the D-Link DWA-110 wiresless USB adapter, installed the mac drivers (working on mac) and shared this USB port to the guest machine (BT). But no one wifi device recognized by BT. Somebody can help me? :(
[23:26] <p47> When I Share a File in ubuntu with gnome I can't see the file smb.conf edited. why???
[23:26] <SonikkuAmerica> !backtrack | fschuindt
[23:26] <riderplus> fschuindt try in #backtrack-linux channel
[23:27] <SonikkuAmerica> fschuindt: Unless you're running Ubuntu as the host OS in the Mac machine that is.
[23:27] <fschuindt> SonikkuAmerica: hm, ok
[23:27] <riderplus> francesco_ if you have the live USB or CD whatever then you should be able to boot Ubuntu
[23:28] <PigDude> what's up with the TOC in Document Reader? It's all jacked up: http://i.imgur.com/XZjb0.png
[23:28] <PigDude> is there a better gtk+ document reader?
[23:28] <PigDude> i'm referring to how the arrows are flush with the left side and are not aligned with their items
[23:28] <PigDude> i like kpdf better i think but i want gtk+ system
[23:29] <SonikkuAmerica> Oops, didn't mean to do that
[23:29] <riderplus> PigDude what app are you using again?
[23:29] <PigDude> riderplus, evince (default)
[23:29] <PigDude> riderplus, i remember a while ago when i used dapper drake evince was really nice looking
[23:29] <riderplus> i use evince with no issues at all
[23:29] <riderplus> what version of evince do you use?
[23:30] <PigDude> 3.6.0
[23:30] <PigDude> yea, mine's all funky :P
[23:30] <k1l> not that issue on a 12.10 here at all
[23:30] <riderplus> and what's bothering you?
[23:30] <PigDude> but i'm not crazy ... that looks weird to you too?
[23:30] <PigDude> look at the TOC ... it's really ugly
[23:30] <PigDude> arrows not aligned, items take too much vertical space
[23:31] <PigDude> hm epdfview has the same funky TOC display
[23:31] <PigDude> but in Preview on mac it displays like any other TOC
[23:32] <PigDude> wonder if it's something w/ the tree widget
[23:32] <k1l> PigDude: you are sure the TOC is right? http://ompldr.org/vaDNydA
[23:33] <riderplus> sorry but I don't see how the arrows are not aligned
[23:33] <PigDude> k1l, i mean this is just what shows on my screen. other gtk apps look fine
[23:33] <PigDude> riderplus, that's fine, but they're plainly misaligned. compare w/ k1l's screen
[23:33] <riderplus> the "child" arrows are not aligned, yes
[23:33] <PigDude> hm let's see how xpdf does
[23:34] <srx> asd
[23:34] <srx> asd
[23:34] <srx> asd
[23:34] <srx> asd
[23:34] <srx> asd
[23:34] <FloodBot1> srx: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:35] <riderplus> I would install okular. even in gnome it works like a charm
[23:35] <srx> alguien de madrid?
[23:35] <riderplus> who the fuck are you, srx?
[23:35] <k1l> !es | srx
[23:35] <francesco_> how can I get to reinstall grub or to modify the MBR of windows?
[23:36] <k1l> riderplus: please watch the language here in this channel. thanks
[23:36] <riderplus> francesco_ you seemed to have ignored me. do you have the live USB/DVD/CD?
[23:36] <srx> im the fucker of u mother
[23:37] <PigDude> haha
[23:37] <francesco_> sorry riderplus, I didn't see your answer. Yes, I have a live USB
[23:37] <riderplus> how did you create it?
[23:37] <riderplus> I hope not with unetbootin...
[23:38] <francesco_> I used a software called LiLi USB creator
[23:38] <riderplus> from windows i guess
[23:38] <riderplus> what happens when you boot?
[23:39] <brady2600> sogeking99:  you should look into your graphics drivers
[23:39] <francesco_> yes, from windows
[23:39] <riderplus> you should have used the Live USB Creator, but now it's too late
[23:39] <riderplus> what happens when you boot up from USB?
[23:40] <wlosio> Hi. Im running Xubuntu. 1. i cannot change default video player / 2. in VLC in fullscreen i see panels from xfce ( vlc 2.0.5)
[23:40] <BroUnicorn> Okay so
[23:40] <BroUnicorn> I installed ubuntu using the install option,
[23:40] <BroUnicorn> now I want to add a Windows 8 partition but I can't edit the partition that was made for ubuntu.
[23:41] <francesco_> I have another computer, so I can remake the USB with live USB creator
[23:41] <riderplus> francesco_ do that
[23:41] <BroUnicorn> (from disk utility on mac). Also, when I try to boot to ubuntu it's named "Windows" for some reason
[23:41] <francesco_> I will try and let you know
[23:42] <escott> BroUnicorn, APPL is only slighly less self centered than MSFT. MSFT recognizes no other OS, APPL recognizes only MSFT
[23:42] <riderplus> BroUnicorn first install windows 8, then Ubuntu
[23:43] <bwong> Hi I am having trouble installing ubuntu 2.10 64bit, can anyone help?
[23:43] <BroUnicorn> Oh, so I need to uninstall my Ubuntu partition?
[23:43] <riderplus> bwong what trouble?
[23:43] <bwong> I am running into this problem
[23:43] <bwong> http://askubuntu.com/questions/169600/fix-grub2-after-installing-ubuntu-12-04
[23:43] <riderplus> BroUnicorn just make a fresh install of windows 8, then install ubuntu
[23:44] <bwong> riderplus but none of the solution provided works
[23:44] <BroUnicorn> I already have ubuntu installed though
[23:44] <BroUnicorn> so I need to uninstall it?
[23:44] <riderplus> bwong are you trying to install 12.10?
[23:44] <bwong> yes
[23:45] <riderplus> BroUnicorn just follow the windows 8 installer instructions...better to wipe out your ubuntu partition though
[23:45] <riderplus> BroUnicorn then install Ubuntu
[23:45] <bwong> After installing ubuntu and reboot, this is the error it gives me error: file '/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found
[23:45] <bwong> and goes into Grub Rescue
[23:46] <riderplus> bwong crap how did you install it?
[23:47] <bwong> I pop the cd in
[23:47] <bwong> and followed the instructions
[23:47] <bwong> i chose wipe the drive and install ubuntu
[23:47] <riderplus> which partition did you choose to install grub to?
[23:47] <riderplus> i see..
[23:47] <bwong> i dont know... it didnt ask
[23:47] <bwong> it just says wipe drive and install ubuntu
[23:48] <bwong> or keep whats win7 and install ubuntu on the side
[23:48] <riderplus> i guess you chose 32 bit install
[23:48] <bwong> umm
[23:48] <bwong> it didnt give an option
[23:48] <bwong> plus i downloaded the x64 bit one...
[23:48] <riderplus> well, are you sure your computer supports x64?
[23:49] <bwong> how do I find out
[23:49] <bwong> its a core i5 computer
[23:49] <bwong> laptop*
[23:50] <riderplus> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1760024.html
[23:50] <francesco_> riderplus: I have 3 different ISO for Ubuntu: 12.04.1 desktop amd64, 12.04.1 desktop-i386 or ubuntustudio 12.04.1 dvd-i386. Which one is better to make the USB bootable drive?
[23:50] <riderplus> francesco_ what proc do you have?
[23:51] <riderplus> francesco_ if you have intel, then go for 12.04.1 desktop-i386
[23:51] <francesco_> AMD A8 quad-core - 64bit... I don't know much more about it
[23:51] <usr13> desktop-i386 or dvd-i386
[23:52] <wlosio> desktop-amd64
[23:52] <wlosio> LD
[23:52] <wlosio> =D
[23:52] <riderplus> then obviously the first option
[23:52] <usr13> I guess it's really just a matter of opinion.
[23:52] <francesco_> riderplus: ok! thank you! I'll try now!
[23:52] <riderplus> it's a matter of compatibility also
[23:52] <usr13> riderplus: What do you man "if you have intel"?
[23:53] <usr13> riderplus: "amd64"  just means   64bit.
[23:53] <riderplus> usually i386 is the best for intel that are not dual core
[23:53] <riderplus> usr13 yes, so?
[23:53] <Pici> !amd64
[23:54] <riderplus> i told him to choose amd64
[23:54] <p47> can I set up a nautilus fileshared umask in the config file?
[23:54] <usr13> riderplus: Well, I just didn't understand your "if you have intel" phrase.
[23:54] <usr13> sorry
[23:54] <riderplus> np
[23:55] <usr13> Wanted to clarify it not just for you but for anyone else that might be watching, (because I've seen that a number of people get confused by "amd64".
[23:57] <OmnipotentEntity> I have a box that isn't going on and offline when I issue /etc/init.d/networking start and stop, the script is just hanging, anyone know how to start troubleshooting it?


[06:34] <ndogg> hi, i wanted to report a bug on Ubuntu One Music, but I don't know what to report on
[06:35] <supercheetah> sorry, i prefer this nick instead
[06:35] <supercheetah> on launchpad, what should i report on for Ubuntu One Music bugs?
[06:35] <supercheetah> anyone?
[06:40] <supercheetah> i think i might have found it: ubuntuone-music-store
[06:40] <supercheetah> bye


[01:06] <tritium> mneptok: was phenom getting out of hand in /query?
[01:06] <mneptok> no, i just don't appreciate the snarky comments on-channel to other users
[01:06] <tritium> I missed the latest.
[01:07] <tritium> But I agree, in general.
[01:07] <nikrud> a kick seemed right.
[01:07] <mneptok> he's in /query now
[01:07] <mneptok> and he's banforwarded here. or should be
[01:08] <mneptok> --floodlet--
[01:08] <mneptok>  21:05 [         phenom(n=Civility@unaffiliated/phenom)]  Ok.
[01:08] <mneptok>  21:06 [msg(        phenom)]  look, i asked nicely.
[01:08] <mneptok>  21:06 [msg(        phenom)]  whether i like the rules, or you like them, is immaterial
[01:08] <mneptok>  21:06 [msg(        phenom)]  they are the rules, everyone is expected to follow them
[01:08] <mneptok>  21:06 [msg(        phenom)]  and that means doing so without making a ton of snarky comments
[01:10] <mneptok> he's been told the ban will be lifted tomorrow. maybe he'll take this time to think through his actions ...
[01:10] <mneptok> BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :/
[01:17]  * nikrud sidles away from mneptok
[01:17] <nikrud> hopefully not to late
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Seveas: i so didn't break it.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[03:42] <ubotu> In ubotu, f0rmat said: !foo is bar
[03:42] <f0rmat> sorry
[03:42] <f0rmat> forget that
[03:42] <f0rmat> :S
[03:42] <f0rmat> :(
[03:50] <elkbuntu> !ops | ban evader in +1
[03:50] <ubotu> ban evader in +1: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud!
[03:50] <ubotu> elkbuntu called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (ban evader in +1)
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: who?
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> nvm
[03:51] <elkbuntu> LeerokLacerta has two tor gpg key things
[03:51] <elkbuntu> look for more
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> mmkay
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> always the same nick?
[03:51] <elkbuntu> yes
[03:52] <nalioth> that wasn't tor-gpg he was just using
[03:52] <elkbuntu> it wasnt?
[03:52] <nalioth> that was just plain tor
[03:52] <elkbuntu> oh, so it was
[03:52] <elkbuntu> we obviously got slack with our tor banning
[03:53] <nalioth> most other gateways can be banned by the 1234abcd@ in front of their hostmask
[04:10] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-bots, ka2 said: !fuck is inappropriate language
[04:10] <jdong> yes... yes it is.
[04:19] <nalioth> hi ka2
[04:28] <ubotu> In ubotu, f0rmat said: what is the best browser
[04:29] <nalioth> ka2: can we help you with something?
[04:57] <nikrud> anyone know anything about this in #ubuntu; I've banned l7 -L7- !Google Search v0.4 by MEiJ<EMAIL_ADDRESS>EFnet/NewNet, #sCRiPTs @ NewNet
[05:00] <nalioth> nikrud: i'm not seeing anything like that
[05:02] <nikrud> nalioth: a sec:
[05:03] <nikrud> - mini flood coming -
 !google
 google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[05:03] <nikrud> -L7- !Google Search v0.4 by MEiJ<EMAIL_ADDRESS>EFnet/NewNet, #sCRiPTs @ NewNet
 belkinhelp2: you will have a list of applications you can add there... if it's not in the list, install it then look again
[05:03] <nikrud> * billybob has quit (Nick collision from services.)
[05:03] <nikrud> -L7- Useage: !google [-dn] <search> eg: !google -dn10 mIRC
[05:03] <nikrud> -L7- Flags: -nN will return up to N results, -d will return results with descriptions, -dnN will return N results with description
[05:04] <nikrud> and, with bare comprehension I report that the dashes are green and  L7 is purple in xchat.
[05:04] <jdong> that's probably a notice.
[05:04] <jdong> 01:03 -!- L7 [n=Square@unaffiliated/l7]
[05:04] <jdong> perhaps from nick L7?
[05:05] <nikrud> I see >name< for notices
[05:05]  * nalioth goes to see
[05:06] <nalioth> message sent
[05:06] <nikrud> that's who I banned, wasn't positive but I got the right guy which is why I brought it here
[05:06] <nikrud> s/but/that/
[05:06] <nalioth> no, you got the right guy
[05:09] <nikrud> then I won't be lifting that ban, I'll leave it to you nalioth if that's ok
[05:10] <nalioth> nikrud: you can treat it like any other ban
[05:10] <nalioth> remove after normal duration, and if it happens again, perhaps a longer period or a discussion with the infractor
[05:11] <nikrud> nalioth: ok
[06:25] <Seveas> Hobbsee, very well possible that you didn't -- I still don't know how to read the logs properly :)
[07:51] <elkbuntu> ompaul dear, i think we need a /topic change in -offtopic
[07:53] <ompaul> elkbuntu, I did
[07:53] <elkbuntu> hehehe
[07:53] <ompaul> and if anyone wants to know that is the franz kafka spelling of amerika
[07:53] <ompaul> heheh
[07:53] <ompaul> better than wikipedia for souce :P
[07:53] <ompaul> source even
[07:54] <ompaul> right I am going to construct something for the dogs to eat
[07:54] <elkbuntu> you're not allowed to feed them the remains of trolls
[07:54] <elkbuntu> or spammers either
[08:03] <Gary> awww
[08:05] <Hobbsee> Gary: [Wed Mar 19 2008] [18:52:00] <Hobbsee> will one of you please issue a /cs level #ubuntu-motu reset and make me the alternate channel contact please?
[08:05] <Hobbsee> elky already said ack.
[08:06] <Gary> damnit, I canneee do dat
[08:06] <Gary> pokey nalioth ?
[08:07] <Gary> take it sladen cannot/will not do it?
[08:08] <ompaul> sladen is in norway
[08:08] <elkbuntu> sladen is probably detached since some time
[08:08] <ompaul> I am off out of here
[08:08] <ompaul> early breakfast
[08:10]  * mneptok tut-tut's ompaul
[08:14] <Hobbsee> Gary: i've been poking them, and got no answer, so...
[10:43]  * elkbuntu rofls at the guy in #freenode who just literally asked for his new nick to be hostmasked to get around bans
[10:43] <elkbuntu> he's now trying to say he was only joking
[10:47] <zenwhen> ha
[10:48] <elkbuntu> Gary, are you actually going to give him one after what he said?
[10:49] <Gary> elkbuntu: lol
[10:49] <Gary> you is a hacker innit
[10:49] <elkbuntu> heh
[10:50] <Gary> I was trying to not laugh
[10:51] <elkbuntu> yeah, but the whole evading bans thing isnt a good thing to let slide
[11:00] <Tm_T> and I was just about to remove spammer someone D-lined
[11:00] <Tm_T> in #u that is
[11:03] <ompaul> Gary, init 0 their connection with the following love letter "this is an irc network devoted to FLOSS, your contribution to annoying the community has been rewarded with a complete network ban for 1 hour - note that your entertainment is not our function!"
[11:03] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, it wouldnt have been that someone dlined it, it would have been it joined a trap channel
[11:03] <Tm_T> meh
[11:04] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, which is even better because *they* dlined *themselves*
[11:04] <Tm_T> yup
[11:04] <Tm_T> <3
[11:50] <elkbuntu> !btlogin
[11:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about btlogin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:51] <elkbuntu> @btlogin
[12:18] <ompaul> I just banned *jesus* using chanserv from #ubuntu +1 and offtopic on the grounds that some idiots think it is fun to be disrespectful to certain religions for whatever reasons - in the spirit of ubuntu that kind of thing is not to be encouraged
[12:27] <ompaul> examples in the last few hours in #ubuntu are as follows: jesusccs infernal_jesus Crazymethjesus   and for those who don't speak english as a first language that last one was Crazy Meth ... right so and the last one was just Jesus who appears to live in sweden if the domain name is to be believed
[12:28] <jdong> lovely usernames....
[12:29] <jdong> 08:18 <+ompaul> I just banned *jesus* using chanserv f
[12:29] <jdong> though the way it was phrased gave me a quick chuckle
[12:30] <ompaul> btw the last one might seem okay until you know this  they had a real name of:  Iahve
[12:31] <jdong> heh
[12:31] <ompaul> why the hell go out of your way to be helpful in the channel and then work on being really annoying to a section of society
[12:31]  * ompaul wonders how this works in their heads
[12:32] <ompaul> !lolops
[12:32] <ubotu> Teh lolops r in ur chanelz, wotchin u mizbehav
[12:33] <ompaul> can anyone tell me why they bother?
[12:33] <ompaul> cos I really don't see a point
[12:33] <jpatrick> they have nought else to do?
[12:33] <Myrtti> Easter holidays?
[12:34] <Myrtti> ^
[12:34] <elkbuntu> pretty much
[12:34] <ompaul> how about I crucify them ;-)
[12:34]  * ompaul is in a bit of a savage humour - been one of those weeks
[12:34] <ompaul> and as friday .ie plc has shut down
[12:35] <ompaul> bank not public holiday so most business are off
[12:57] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-hardened, ubotwo said: ubot3: Error: This bug is private
[12:58] <ompaul> hahaha
[12:58]  * ompaul rofl
[12:58] <ompaul> LjL, ^^^^^^
[13:22] <ompaul> nalioth, can you say if there is a way to use chanservs  autoremove function to ban forward -- I was thinking of using autoremove for those who are on proxies rather than the normal ban space cos it is a *long* term ban
[13:44] <jdong> lol nice
[13:45] <ubotu> bazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (amr-eye)
[13:45] <ubotu> DRebellion called the ops in #ubuntu (amr-eye)
[14:21] <nalioth> i think autoremove is just that . . . . 'remove'
[14:45] <ompaul> nalioth, thanks
[14:59] <nikrud> I'm not an op in +1, a guy named burn has his away message in /notice
[15:02] <jpatrick> !es is <reply> En el canal donde esta solo se premite hablar ingles. Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[15:02] <ubotu> But es already means something else!
[15:02] <jpatrick> !no, es is <reply> En el canal donde esta solo se premite hablar ingles. Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[15:02] <ubotu> I'll remember that jpatrick
[15:02]  * jpatrick hugs jussio1
[15:02]  * jussio1 hugs jpatrick back :)
[15:09] <jpatrick> oh, god, someone asking about VB in #kubuntu
[15:09]  * jpatrick runs
[15:11] <ompaul> jpatrick, !offtopic them
[15:12] <jpatrick> ompaul: pointed him to #vb.net
[15:12] <ompaul> jpatrick, na they are just offtopic
[15:12] <ompaul> }:->
[15:13] <ompaul> there is no windows other than the ones that let me see out
[15:13] <ompaul> of my house
[15:14] <jpatrick> same here, other than my sister's for games
[16:00]  * jdong grumbles at Chokes in -devel
[16:02] <jpatrick> LjL: hmm, we appear to have three+ bots in -es, most oped and doing heaven knows what
[16:38] <ubotu> st33med called the ops in #ubuntuforums-beginners ()
[16:46]  * jpatrick checks out
[16:47] <jpatrick> accident
[18:42] <ubotu> In ubotu, bobbo said: !getdeb is http://www.getdeb.net/ - An unofficial packages website. Useful when software is not included in the Ubuntu repositories
[18:43] <jdong> no, !getdeb is the guy who is threatening to diverge Transmission packaging in #ubuntu-deve.
[18:44] <nikrud> heh.
[18:57] <neopsyche> hello.. please can anyone help me.. i am still banned from #ubuntu after more than 24 hours.
[18:59] <ompaul> neopsyche, why were you banned?
[19:01] <ompaul> that will really help
[19:03] <neopsyche> Someone said i was (Being argumentative) also .. i was very frustrated and in caps said something along the lines of PLEASE EVERYONE STOP TELLING ME TO BUY A ROUTER AS IF I WANTED TO SPEND EXTRA MONEY ON XP AND A ROUTER I WOULD NOT BE HERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CONFIGURE  UBUNTU TO DO THAT... this after about 4 people told me to purchase a router and about 5 hours trying to figure out...
[19:03] <neopsyche> ...how to get the hardware working including supplying diagrams which were "too vague" if I remember correctly.. Out of frustration .. i also returned the same message about etiquete to the op.. who promptly banned me.. I apologies for my attitude.. but am only human too.. could someone please unban me.
[19:04] <ompaul> neopsyche, what do you want to achieve?
[19:04] <ompaul> or did you want to achieve
[19:04] <neopsyche> to access internet on my laptop using its wireless card.
[19:05] <Seveas> ompaul, the impossible
[19:05] <Seveas> as he was told quite a few times
[19:05] <Seveas> yet he insisted on annoying
[19:05] <ompaul> neopsyche, sorry you wanted to make ubuntu a wireless ap? and use some other box to do that down stream ...
[19:06] <neopsyche> how is it impossible.. i dont think people like mark shuttleworth would agree with you.. he has already been to space .. and people said it was impossible to go to the moon too :-)
[19:06] <neopsyche> no.. i wanted to get the internet on my laptop using the wireless card and ubuntu on my main pc as an AP
[19:06] <ompaul> connect down stream
[19:06] <neopsyche> oh/...
[19:06] <neopsyche> yeah..
[19:06] <neopsyche> sorry
[19:06] <neopsyche> wireless AP
[19:06] <neopsyche> not app
[19:06] <Seveas> neopsyche, it's those kinds of stupid arguments that make the ban not go away
[19:07] <neopsyche> yes.. you were correct.
[19:07] <Seveas> neopsyche, this is not a support channel, is there anything else?
[19:07] <neopsyche> Seveas, banning someone because they refused to take the advice of someone?
[19:07] <ompaul> neopsyche, spend a couple of euro  or dollars or whatever on an access point  -- IRC is not where you will be helped with something like that
[19:07] <neopsyche> They said I must buy a router.. i wanted to get linux to do the routing instead.
[19:08] <neopsyche> Thats fine...
[19:08] <Seveas> neopsyche, no, you wanted linux to be the access point instead of ad hoc mode
[19:09] <Seveas> now stop asking for support in here. If you have nothing else to discuss, please see the /topic
[19:09] <neopsyche> If someone says to me .. the chances are nobody is going to help me .. thats fine. I understand that. But when someone doesnt want to use a different solution .. rather just say.. I have no solution for that other than a router. And thats the end of it.
[19:09] <neopsyche> Not repeatedly telling me to buy a router.
[19:10] <neopsyche> instead of saying .. i have looked at the technical difficulties and beleive it is beyond the scope of my capabilites... that is also fine.
[19:10] <Seveas> neopsyche, that repeat yourself game didn't work yesterday in #ubuntu, it won't work in here
[19:10] <LjL-Temp> i don't think a wireless card can, by hardware, act as an AP at all
[19:11] <neopsyche> But repeatedly telling someone to buy a router.. that just makes people frustrated when that is not their final goal.. sort of like on a basic level.. telling someone to get an apple when they are trying to figure out how to grow an orange tree during a time when oranges are scarce.. they dont want an apple. ;-)
[19:11] <ompaul> neopsyche, so I think you have your answer / can't be done with normal equipment - in so far as any of us know
[19:11] <ompaul> neopsyche, please shh -- ohh well
[19:11] <Seveas> neopsyche, this is not a support channel. period
[19:37] <ubotu> Saied called the ops in #ubuntu-ir ()
[19:40] <ubotu> Saied called the ops in #ubuntu-ir ()
[19:41] <nalioth> resolved
[19:52] <jpatrick> @btlogin
[19:53] <Erickj92> hello, i need help
[19:54] <jpatrick> hi Erickj92, how may we help you?
[19:54] <Erickj92> i cannnot join #ubuntu
[19:54] <Erickj92> because of my connection
[19:54] <ompaul> Erickj92, have you read the topic in #ubuntu-read-topic?
[19:54] <ompaul> have you done what the bot ask?
[19:55] <Erickj92> well i cant update my firm-ware
[19:55] <jpatrick> Erickj92: please connect to port 8001 then
[19:56] <jpatrick> nalioth: do you mind if I remove the ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in #k? you set it a year ago
[19:56] <nalioth> jpatrick: i'd suspect those bots have moved on
[19:56] <nalioth> if not, it can be replaced
[19:56] <jpatrick> ok
[20:01] <jpatrick> wb LjL-Temp, nice dinner?
[20:02] <LjL-Temp> was fine thanks :)
[20:48] <Myrtti> :-9
[20:48] <Myrtti> mmm
[20:50] <jussio1> hello Myrtti
[20:52] <ubotu> crdlb called the ops in #ubuntu (CSlime)
[20:52] <jpatrick> yay, flooder
[21:37] <NeoGeo64> Can someone help me.  I WANT TO INSTALL UUBUNTU ON AN OLD COMPUTER AND USE IT TO SHARE FILES WITH A WQINDOWS XP COMPUTER... HOW CAN I DO THIS EASILY
[21:37] <NeoGeo64> sry for caps
[21:38] <ompaul> NeoGeo64, ehh you got a problem with your ident this is #ubuntu-ops
[21:38] <ompaul> and your ident will not let you into #ubuntu
[21:38] <jpatrick> NeoGeo64: please change your ident (n=fuck) and try rejoining #ubuntu
[21:39] <ompaul> jpatrick, thanks I switch windows and you highlight me :P
[21:39] <jpatrick> ompaul: hmm?
[21:41] <mneptok> NeoGeo64: and also try to avoid behavior you have to apologize for instantly.
[21:42] <ompaul> mneptok, hmm you know where I come from they call that a clue
[21:42] <ompaul> NeoGeo64, please check this channels topic
[21:43] <ompaul> NeoGeo64, ok I figure you read it and done grok you are an idler so here I am telling you
[22:15]  * ompaul pokes mneptok in the code base
[22:29]  * mneptok likes it. like, *really* likes it.
[22:30] <nixternal> is it possible to clear all bans in a channel at one time?
[22:31] <Seveas> yes
[22:31] <PriceChild> nixternal: if you can use chanserv's clear
[22:31] <Seveas> /cs clear #channel bans
[22:31] <nixternal> I don't have cs
[22:32] <jpatrick> nixternal: /alias cs msg ChanServ
[22:32] <nixternal> did you try it jpatrick
[22:33] <jpatrick> er....
[22:33] <nixternal> lol
[22:33] <nixternal> yu think they could -bbbb instead of -bb
[22:34]  * jpatrick adds that to the list of "Never do again commands"
[22:36] <nixternal> hahahahahaha
[22:36] <nixternal> go do it in #ubuntu
[22:36] <nixternal> holy smokes, a server in some country would catch fire
[22:37] <jpatrick> nixternal: Seveas did it once... last week I think
[22:37] <nixternal> heh
[22:37] <nixternal> you couldn't tell
[22:38] <nixternal> #ubuntu is a ban happy channel
[22:38] <nixternal> they don't believe in warning shots
[22:40] <nixternal> ooh, good call on the tors
[22:46] <jpatrick> at least the ban list is clean-ed
[22:49] <ompaul> I shifted 40 or so this morning
[22:49] <jpatrick> mneptok: are you still around? #ubuntu-devel needs some banned removed. It's almost at limit
[22:54] <mneptok> jpatrick: can do
[22:55] <mneptok> jpatrick: gimme 5-10.
[23:37] <mneptok> jpatrick: by your command ...
[23:40] <ompaul> !staff | * syper4e_to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu (requested by ompaul)
[23:40] <ompaul> spammer by notice
[23:40] <ubotu> * syper4e_to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu (requested by ompaul): Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)


[16:01] <voidAr> Hello
[16:01] <holstein> o/
[16:02] <voidAr> I have a question
[16:02] <holstein> just ask.. a volunteer may assist
[16:02] <voidAr> I've installed an App, like Dropbox
[16:02] <voidAr> it's called Copy
[16:02] <voidAr> everything works fine
[16:03] <holstein> congrats!
[16:03] <holstein> though,  i feel, there is more to the story..
[16:03] <voidAr> but the icon in the bottom panel doesn't show the icon of the app
[16:03] <voidAr> it shows an [X], you know.. a broken image
[16:04] <voidAr> is there a file where i can set the location of the icon image of the apps in that panel ?
[16:05] <holstein> voidAr: you can let the creators of the app know that you would liks support for lxde.. but, they are likely supporting something else..
[16:05] <voidAr> yes, in gnome works fine
[16:06] <holstein> yup
[16:06] <holstein> and, gnome is not undergoing as much change, right now, as lxde would be
[16:06] <holstein> as the underlying system changes.. etc.. lxde to lxqt or whatever.. gtk changes.. so on
[16:07] <holstein> you can file a bug, and try and get someone to confirm the issue
[16:07] <holstein> !bug
[16:07] <holstein> i wouldnt mind doing that, assuming "copy" is no charge to use
[16:07] <holstein> then, you can invite the creators of "copy" to assist
[16:08] <voidAr> yes, i think i'll send a mail to the "copy" team
[16:08] <voidAr> and hope for the best
[16:10] <voidAr> thanks