[01:37] <blahdeblah> HNY folks!  Thanks to the Ubuntu Security team for all your hard work having our backs.  Also, thoughts & prayers for whomever maintains log4j.  I suspect they're going to have a long Q1 2022. :-)


[00:06] <tonibuntu> how do i tell what version of ubuntu i'm using?
[00:14] <ball> uname -a ?
[00:17] <tonibuntu> my friend just bought a new lexmark all in one and i'm having trouble finding the driver for it, has anyone had any luck using x5410 lexmark with hardy?
[00:20] <tonibuntu> looking on the doc pages there is one that suggests using the z600 driver generically, but it doesn't appear in the list
[00:26] <tonibuntu> ball, were you talking to me?
[00:27] <ball> tonibuntu: yes
[00:28] <ball> That may just give you the kernel version, let me try it.
[00:28] <ball> Yes, that's odd.
[00:28] <ball> It only tells me that I have a 2.6.27-9-server linux kerne
[00:28] <ball> l
[00:29] <tonibuntu> ball, no i think i'm using hardy, cause software source list showing hardy references ... my BIG issue is getting this printer lexmark x5410 to work
[00:31] <ball> I've not had good luck with printers and Ubuntu, but then I've only tried a few
[00:31] <tonibuntu> ball, there's a tutorial for dapper to install through the terminal a lexmark z605 driver, will that also work in hardy?
[00:33] <ball> I don't know
[00:33] <ball> (sorry)
[00:33] <tonibuntu> or anybody, ball says printers not his forte .... i'm at my friends now and really want to get his printer up
[00:33] <tonibuntu> no, thanks anyways
[00:34] <tonibuntu> appreciate anybody that tries to help :)
[00:38] <ball> tonibuntu: I know quite a bit about printers, but very little about Linux
[00:38] <ball> Are those Lexmark printers inkjets?
[00:40] <tonibuntu> ball, sorry, yes is inkjet
[00:41] <martyd> i have successfully moved everything in my /home to the new /home on a different partition, it's just in /home/home_backup. is there a way to take everything in /home/home_backup and paste it up a directory? i have terminal only...
[00:42] <ball> martyd: if you're in /home/home_backup, you could probably do "mv * .."
[00:42] <ball> that's my guess anyway
[00:42] <ball> (be root btw)
[00:43] <martyd> of course. * represents all in the current folder?
[00:43] <martyd> and .. means parent directory?
[00:43] <tonibuntu> dr_willis, can you give me any guidance on config this lexmark all in one x5410 printer for my friend?
[00:44]  * ball nods
[00:44] <ball> I have to take some garbage out.  Back shortly.
[00:44] <martyd> ball, thank you
[00:52] <ball> martyd: no problem
[01:02] <tonibuntu> sorry got bumped ... if anyone can please help me i'm at my friends trying to get his lexmark all in one x5410 configged ... its not detected in the printer setup ... running hardy, but i found a tutorial for dapper to install a kind of generic lexmark driver ... any ideas on whether this would also work in hardy?  or are they that different?
[01:04] <martyd> have you searched ubuntu forums? or looked for a comprehensive printer problems thread?
[01:06] <tonibuntu> yes, i've looked bunch of places and nothing is really speaking to me i don't think
[01:10] <tonibuntu> is there a way to use the driver disk made for windows to extract the driver for the printer?
[01:16] <tonibuntu> it seems like mums the word tonite, huh
[01:17] <tonibuntu> could somebody just answer if i will hurt anything by trying the install suggested for use on dapper on a hardy machine?
[01:19] <tonibuntu> here's the instruction:   http://pastebin.com/m29144318
[01:26] <tonibuntu> gotta be one expert in the channel that could answer this please , will the process described at  http://pastebin.com/m29144318   work on a hardy system?
[05:40] <xubuser> Hello People.
[07:00] <mixed-_-> !ldap
[09:34] <steph33560> Hello
[09:37] <steph33560> Does xdtv will run under xubuntu ?
[10:32] <steph33560> Hi :)
[10:33] <knome> hello.
[10:34] <steph33560> does xubuntu will leave more resources for video purposes ?
[10:34] <steph33560> (I've got a celeron 430, 1.8Ghz)
[10:35] <steph33560> any feedbacks would be great, I need to move my father's computer from XP to Ubuntu... !
[10:36] <knome> more free resources comparing to...?
[10:36] <steph33560> to a classic Ubuntu disto :)
[10:36] <steph33560> s/disto/distro/
[10:37] <knome> well... compared to ubuntu: yes, a bit
[10:37] <knome> depends on what programs you're using
[10:37] <knome> xubuntu and ubuntu differ only of programs, not kernel or the core OS
[10:38] <steph33560> He intends to use something like OpenOffice, thunderbird, and XTV/XawDecode
[10:38] <steph33560> s/XTV/xdtv/
[10:39] <steph33560> maybe It would be more interesting to search for a lighter disto...
[10:39] <knome> there definitely is lighter distros, but the easiness of usability might lose badly to xubuntu
[10:41] <steph33560> Yes, I see ... in fact, i try to choose using xubuntu or gentoo
[10:42] <knome> is it your/his first linux experience?
[10:43] <steph33560> I'm using Debian, now Ubuntu, for many years, but it will be his very first linux experience
[10:43] <knome> ok
[10:44] <knome> i'd suggest try xubuntu then
[10:44] <steph33560> ok
[10:45] <knome> how much ram is in the pc btw?
[10:46] <steph33560> 1GB
[10:46] <knome> ok, sounds enough :P
[10:47] <steph33560> In fact, I think the processor may be a little bit short for TV
[10:47] <knome> well... i have no experiences of that
[10:47] <knome> can't really say
[10:47] <steph33560> me too ;)
[10:47] <steph33560> i think I should start trying xubuntu and see how it reacts
[10:48] <knome> yeah
[10:48] <knome> installing it is really easy ;)
[10:48] <steph33560> mounting the docs on sdb, xubuntu on sda, and if xubuntu does not fit my needs, try to move to gentoo will ge possible on a fresh new sdc
[10:49] <steph33560> thanks for sharing your ideas :)
[10:49] <knome> yeah np
[10:49] <steph33560> q
[11:04] <sin> How do I get Flashplayer to work in xubuntu ?
[11:10] <steph33560> knome, ok, well, I tryied, I throw it :(
[11:11] <steph33560> the installer freeze on the first screen
[11:24] <sin> Can anyone tell me how to get flashplayer or gnash to work properly in Xubuntu 8.04 ?
[12:25] <sin> Can anyone tell me how to get flash player working in Xubuntu ?
[12:33] <TheSheep> sin: install flashplayer-nonfree package
[12:33] <TheSheep> !flash
[12:35] <sin> I did sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree and I can see the flashplayer-plugin in Mozilla, but it won't play videos, it's just white.
[12:38] <TheSheep> sin: try also installing codecs
[12:38] <TheSheep> !codecs
[12:43] <sin> Should I remove Gnash before installing Flashplugin-nonfree ?
[12:44] <TheSheep> no idea
[12:46] <sin> Yes, it worked. It was Gnash that was the problem all along.
[12:47] <sin> All hail proprietary software !
[12:47] <TheSheep> argh
[12:47] <TheSheep> sin: say, are you French?
[12:47] <sin> TheSheep: No sir, I am not.
[12:48] <sin> TheSheep: Why ?
[12:48] <TheSheep> because you put that funny spaces before punctuation, just like the French do
[12:48] <TheSheep> s/that/those
[12:50] <sin> TheSheep: I just think it looks better, but you might have a point with the French - I'm from Belgium.
[12:50] <TheSheep> aah :)
[13:33] <rob> hey, i wanted to install exaile and used "sudo apt-get build-dep exaile" to get the deps. but now i dont like the player - how can i uninstall those deps WITHOUT uninstalling the deps that are dependant from other programs?
[14:02] <Myrtti> rob: you've done lots of unnecessary work
[14:03] <rob> why
[14:03] <Myrtti> why did you do build-dep to get dependencies when apt would have dealt the dependencies none the less
[14:03] <rob> and i wouldnt consider 5 seconds as "lots"
[14:03] <rob> :)
[14:03] <bad-wire> when doing configure >> configure: WARNING: `missing' script is too old or missing
[14:03] <bad-wire> any ideas?
[14:04] <Myrtti> bad-wire: well do you have "missing" script in the directory?
[14:04] <rob> Myrtti, synaptics diddnt have the newest version of the program thats why i had to install the sourcecode manually and thats why i had to install the deps manually ;)
[14:04] <Myrtti> rob: and for future reference, you might want to use aptitude instead of apt-get.
[14:04] <bad-wire> yes I can see the script there, and I downloaded the latest tarball from the software website
[14:05] <rob> Myrtti, why? wheres the difference for me? its almost the same
[14:05] <Myrtti> aptitude takes care of the dependencies better
[14:06] <rob> hm yes, ive already read that
[14:07]  * vidd has read that too....but dont see how
[14:07] <Myrtti> bad-wire: if the script came with the tarball, you need to contact the software developers
[14:07] <rob> but i diddnt know if "sudo aptitude build-dep exaile" works as well, thats why i did it with aptget
[14:08] <bad-wire> ok Myrtti    :/  maybe I'll just try an older version, the one in the repositories is not configured to stream mp3
[14:10] <rob> seems like it doesnt work - do you know the according command to "apt-get build-dep"?
[14:10] <Myrtti> rob: but you can still try to uninstall exaile with aptitude
[14:11] <rob> yes, thats what i wanted to do
[14:11] <rob> but is there an according command to build deps with aptitude ?
[14:15] <bad-wire> Myrtti  if I replace that missing script with the laatest one from the latest subversion is it likely to work for me or is that not a good idea?
[14:15] <Myrtti> bad-wire: I have no idea what's in the latest subversion, so I couldn't tell
[14:19] <bad-wire> ok guess I'll go the whole hog and just get the latest bleeeding edge version and see if I can make that work
[14:27] <bad-wire> on another note: what would be the best software to clone a hard drive with linux on it, I know that ghost ain't really an option for it
[14:29] <TheSheep> dd
[14:29] <TheSheep> or tar
[14:31] <Guest46237> Hi
[14:31] <vidd> hello Guest46237
[14:32] <Guest46237> I just made a fresh install of Xubuntu 8.10 but can't hardly read anything
[14:32] <Guest46237> Can someone help me increase all the fonts?
[14:32] <Guest46237> Included this chat window ;)
[14:36] <Guest46237> Thanks anyhow
[14:36] <Guest46237> Cheers
[14:36] <TheSheep> !dpi
[14:36] <TheSheep> Guest46237: go to settings->setting manager->user interface settings
[14:36] <TheSheep> come back here, I didn't finish with you yet! >:(
[14:41] <bad-wire> too late
[14:41] <bad-wire> and now I need autoconf and automake :/
[14:42] <bad-wire> maybe I'll get an automobile instead and go run over some people
[14:57] <bad-wire> too hungover to try and work it all out
[16:14] <vidd> how do i add a user task to the server startup?
[16:15] <vidd> for example, i have an irc rbot in my /home directory,
[16:16] <vidd> if my server reboots for whatever reaseon, i want the launch script to be run as the user
[16:23] <TheSheep> vidd: add it with 'su' to /etc/rc.local
[16:28] <vidd> TheSheep, so su [user] /path/to/script?
[16:34] <TheSheep> vidd: yes, remember that the environment variables are not set though, unless you use -l
[16:35] <vidd> so i might have to do su [user] /path/to/ruby /path/to/script?
[16:36] <TheSheep> yeah
[16:36] <vidd> great....let me get my hunting gear out....=]
[16:37] <TheSheep> vidd: note that it will start before logging in and before X
[16:37] <vidd> yes...this is what i want.....
[16:37] <vidd> just like apache and proftpd
[16:37] <slow-motion> hi
[16:37] <vidd> hello slow-motion
[16:38] <slow-motion> hi vidd
[16:39] <slow-motion> is it possible to import torrents from azureus in transmission?
[16:40] <vidd> slow-motion, yes...very easily....
[16:40] <slow-motion> cool
[16:40] <slow-motion> how?
[16:40] <TheSheep> just tell it to download to the same place
[16:40] <slow-motion> ok
[16:40] <slow-motion> thx
[16:41] <vidd> or, move the file to where transmission downloads to =]
[16:42] <TheSheep> you can repair any roken files that way too :)
[16:42] <slow-motion> i really liked azureus once. but now it is full of useless stuff and i thought why should't i use the client xubuntu has
[16:42] <vidd> TheSheep, now all i have to do is reboot the server to test it
[16:42] <TheSheep> vidd: you can just run /etc/rc.local as root
[16:42] <TheSheep> vidd: to see if it works properly
[16:43] <vidd> slow-motion, i use torrentflux...since i have apache and php already installed
[16:43] <vidd> TheSheep, thatnks for the tip =]
[16:44] <slow-motion> hm. could be nice, but i dont want to install apache and php just to download torrents
[16:44] <vidd> like i said....i already had it
[16:45] <vidd> oh...and you need mysql with torrentflux too
[16:45] <TheSheep> rtorret+screen ftw :)
[16:46] <slow-motion> oh please stop it. i dont want to change the client a third time
[16:46] <vidd> hehe
[16:47] <slow-motion> :)
[16:47] <slow-motion> ;)
[16:47] <vidd> TheSheep, /usr/bin/ruby: /usr/bin/ruby: cannot execute binary file
[17:09] <BladieBla> hi
[17:10] <BladieBla> i have a pc with a pentium 2 with 350 mhz, i installed xubuntu inside windows xp with sp3. I hate to say it but xubuntu starts very very very slow wheb i look at windows xp what can i do?
[17:11] <BladieBla> its xp lite..
[17:16] <vidd> BladieBla, please be slightly more specific....is it slower to load? or slower to work?
[17:18] <BladieBla> slower to load
[17:18] <BladieBla> work i dont know yet
[17:19] <vidd> BladieBla, so once its up and running, is it faster, slower, or about the same?
[17:19] <BladieBla> dont know sorry
[17:19] <BladieBla> but the load time is to slow
[17:19] <BladieBla> can i fix that?
[17:20] <vidd> BladieBla, the thing you have to understand about xp lite is that it does not load any services during boot....
[17:20] <BladieBla> i use everything
[17:20] <BladieBla> internet
[17:20] <BladieBla> it works
[17:20] <vidd> so your internet connection wont load until you need to use the internet
[17:20] <BladieBla> it does everything wors normaly
[17:20] <vidd> the boot time is faster, but the app launch time is slower
[17:21] <vidd> whereas in xubuntu, it will load the tools right away
[17:21] <BladieBla> i start internet explorer pretty fast for a p2
[17:21] <vidd> BladieBla, how much ram you got in the machine?
[17:21] <BladieBla> does ubuntu loads everything up in the memory?
[17:21] <BladieBla> i mean xubutu
[17:22]  * vidd has no idea what ubuntu does....
[17:22] <vidd> =]
[17:22] <BladieBla> =P
[17:22] <vidd> it starts the services
[17:22] <BladieBla> i ment xubuntu ofcourse silly me
[17:22] <BladieBla> that i still dont understand
[17:23] <BladieBla> windows xp starts fast and function normally when i press on the internet button it opens normally
[17:23] <BladieBla> why does xubuntu take so long
[17:23] <BladieBla> why load everything up in the beginning..
[17:23] <vidd> BladieBla, HOW MUCH RAM DO YOU HAVE?
[17:23] <BladieBla> can i change that?
[17:23] <BladieBla> hmm about 300+-
[17:24] <vidd> 300+ what?
[17:24] <BladieBla> mb
[17:24] <BladieBla> its a old pc =P
[17:24] <BladieBla> but xp works on it lol
[17:24] <vidd> can you be a little more specific as to your exact amount of ram?
[17:24] <BladieBla> only i must install a antivirus that i think will kill it
[17:25] <BladieBla> 326 ram mb memory
[17:25] <BladieBla> pentium 2, 350 mhz
[17:25] <vidd> BladieBla, sure...a hollowed out windows xp can run on just about anything....but all those protection tools that you need to prevent it from becoming a zombie will kill it
[17:26] <BladieBla> jep
[17:26] <BladieBla> but
[17:26] <BladieBla> why can xubuntu load fast
[17:26] <BladieBla> cant
[17:26] <BladieBla> takes 10 minutes or so
[17:27] <vidd> because xubuntu is designed for light-weight with emphasis on function....
[17:27] <BladieBla> whats emphasis
[17:27] <BladieBla> i am dutch..
[17:27] <vidd> you want "designeed for function with emphasis on light weight"
[17:28] <vidd> specialized?
[17:28] <BladieBla> i dont know what it means
[17:28] <vidd> basicly, xubuntu puts function above light weight
[17:29] <vidd> function is more important
[17:29] <vidd> you want a distro where light weight is more important then ease-of-use
[17:30] <vidd> something like fluxbuntu
[17:30] <vidd> !fluxbuntu
[17:30] <BladieBla> like eee pc
[17:30] <BladieBla> i just need a web browser skype and msn
[17:31] <vidd> BladieBla, then you want to build your own desktop....
[17:31] <BladieBla> well my iq isnt high for that kinds of things
[17:31] <vidd> get yourself a cli-only install, disable the "install-recommends"
[17:31] <BladieBla> =O
[17:31] <BladieBla> hmm
[17:32] <BladieBla> i must eat i will return =]
[17:32] <vidd> then add slim, openbox, xorg, hal, epiphany-browser
[17:32] <BladieBla> but isnt there a easy to install eee pc like linux
[17:33] <vidd> BladieBla, the eeepc would eat your system for breakfast and still be starved
[17:33] <vidd> the eeepc install would still tax your system
[17:34] <vidd> BladieBla, your software requirements (skype) will kill your system
[17:35] <vidd> the ram is ok...but the mHtz ...ouch
[17:35] <vidd> actually....the ram is "scraping the bottom"
[17:43] <evilbug> how would i add a launcher for openoffice launcher?
[17:43] <evilbug> how would i add a launcher for openoffice **
[17:46] <privet> evilbug: just let it execute /usr/bin/openoffice
[17:46] <vidd> evilbug, whats wrong with the menu item? =]
[17:47] <evilbug> i'm doing it for someone else.
[17:51] <djohngo_> I'm looking for a panel item that will allow a user to start and stop a dial-up net connection.
[17:51] <djohngo_> Ideally it would work with penggy.
[17:51] <djohngo_> Does anyone know of such a beast?
[17:53] <privet> djohngo: networkmanager does the  "dialup" for my 3G card.
[17:53] <privet> djohngo: what type of dialup are you talking about?
[17:54] <djohngo_> privet: I'm setting up a system for someone who still uses AOL as their ISP.
[17:54] <vidd> djohngo, *shudder*
[17:54] <djohngo_> privet: I've configured penggy to dial and make the connection, but I need an easy way for them to get online.
[17:55] <djohngo_> privet, As you might imagine, they're a bit too intimidated to open up a terminal.
[17:55] <vidd> djohngo, have you looked http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=364157?
[17:55] <vidd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=364157
[17:56] <vidd> djohngo_, have you looked http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=364157 ?
[17:57] <djohngo_> vidd, sorry. Still trying to learn my way around w3m.
[17:57] <vidd> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto also is promising
[17:57] <vidd> GnomePPP is a good graphic tool for dial-up
[17:58] <djohngo_> vidd, I'm not trying to use a graphical browser on a dial-up connection.
[17:58] <knome> can't you just make a script and a launcher which will launch a terminal for it?
[17:58] <knome> and launch the script itself
[17:58] <knome> s'pose that'd be the easiest way
[17:59] <djohngo_> knome, I'm thinking that's the way to go.
[17:59] <djohngo_> knome, I just didn't want to reinvent the wheel.
[17:59] <knome> that is not reinventing anything ;)
[18:00] <knome> and non-tech-savvy people don't think that a bit hacky :P
[18:00] <knome> they'll just think it's the way to go
[18:01] <djohngo_> I'd better get to it.
[18:01] <djohngo_> Thanks a bunch, everyone.
[18:01] <vidd> djohngo_, you just said "i dont want terminal..." then "i dont want graphical...." pick one =]
[18:01] <knome> vidd, he wanted automatic for the end-user.
[18:02] <vidd> knome, aol wont work "automatically"
[18:02] <vidd> not even in windows
[18:02] <knome> why not?
[18:02] <vidd> um...they are more evil then M$?
[18:02] <knome> even if you had to enter password to the terminal, the script will be launched with one click
[18:03] <knome> or anything
[19:21] <vidd> TheSheep, still no luck getting a ruby script to launch in rc.local
[19:23] <TheSheep> vidd: why not?
[19:25] <vidd> TheSheep, /usr/bin/ruby: cannot execute binary file
[19:29] <cody-somerville> vidd, what does `which ruby` return?
[19:29] <vidd> /usr/bin/ruby
[19:30] <vidd> now....i seperated the su [username] and the ruby command, and i get no error
[19:31] <TheSheep> vidd: sorry, use sudo -u
[19:31] <vidd> is there a way to have rc.local run ruby as userx without su userx?
[19:31] <vidd> ah
[19:33] <vidd> sweet....thanks TheSheep
[20:55] <vidd> i want to take data files from a crashed windows hard drive and burn them to a dvd....
[20:55] <vidd> brasero complains the file hierarchy is too deep.....
[20:56] <vidd> how can i get around that?
[20:57] <vinnl> Perhaps another burning application?
[20:58] <vidd> any suggestions?
[20:58]  * vidd would hate to have to install hardy on a system just to burn one dvd
[20:59] <vinnl> Well, I haven't tried any, but there's Gnomebaker, Graveman... And k3b is supposed to be good but that's Qt
[21:00] <vidd> something had to change between the hardy and the intrepid versions....because i burned this image before upgrading to ii
[21:22] <tina> anyone got any advice on cpu info
[21:23] <pleia2> tina: could you be more specific?
[21:23] <tina> i have a p4 2gig cpu and running xubuntu hardy,the smallest program makes my cpu jump to 100 percent.i have 1.5 gigs ram and a 512 vid card
[21:23] <knome> tina, "the smallest program" = ?
[21:23] <pleia2> does it just spike, or does it remain high?
[21:24] <tina> now i know this is a p4 but it should be allot faster than this right?
[21:24] <tina> emillia pinball
[21:24] <tina> its a tux pinball verry simple
[21:24] <tina> even just firefox
[21:25] <tina> when it opens any program it jumps to 100% if its a vid or game it stays there
[21:25] <R1cochet> run it in terminal
[21:26] <R1cochet> maybe?
[21:26] <tina> in terminal?you mean dont click the program link use sudo in terminal to start the program
[21:29] <TheSheep> don't use sudo without reason
[21:30] <TheSheep> you can run it without sudo too
[21:30] <tina> ok
[21:30] <tina> emilia pinball
[21:30] <TheSheep> what does the system monitor say?
[21:31] <tina> is a super small program,is there a reason my p4 doesnt perform the way it should.is it xubuntu that is having the prob or is it my system
[21:31] <knome> tina, if all the other apps work well, it sounds like it's the app.
[21:32] <tina> no its any app
[21:32] <tina> even just starting webbrowser its supper slow take 3 secs just to get the window open
[21:33] <vinnl> My Firefox takes longer
[21:33] <vinnl> Though then again, I have lots of extensions and tabs open by default
[21:33] <vidd> heh..."JUST firefox"!
[21:34] <vidd> tina, firefox is a beast
[21:34] <knome> tina, so are you saying that the slow performance is consistent or only appearing with the pinball game?
[21:35] <tina> no its deff consistant
[21:35] <vidd> tina, they i would say its your system....
[21:35] <tina> any app i use is slow to open and i can only run one program at a time
[21:35] <vidd> are you on it now?
[21:35] <knome> i agree with viff
[21:35] <tina> yah
[21:36] <vinnl> tina, have you run any other operating system on that computer before? Which was it? Did that perform better?
[21:36] <tina> just using this konversation app is taking half my cpu steady
[21:36] <vidd> heh...no wonder you are having issues!.....
[21:36] <vidd> KDE is bloat-and-a-half
[21:37] <tina> i built this system and installed kubuntu originaly and then i switched to xubuntu and its been in my daughters room since,i just got back on it and its super slow
[21:37] <pleia2> even so, the specs on that system should be able to handle quite a bit
[21:38] <vidd> tina, i would recommend backing up data files and doing a clean install
[21:38] <vidd> something on your ssytem isnt acting right
[21:38] <vidd> if it were a windows machine, id say it was infested by malware
[21:39] <tina> ok and does it matter what buntu i use?will using a diff buntu make a diff.i was under the understanding that xfce is the lightest one
[21:39] <vidd> its quite possible there is a rootkit running
[21:39] <tina> what is a rootkit and how would i findout
[21:40] <tina> my prcesses all say sleeping and yet im at 100% on cpu
[21:40] <tina> just moving my mouse makes it spike lol
[21:41] <tina> ok im gonna do a fresh install and see what comes up
[21:43] <vidd> a rootkit is "spyware, on steriods, for linux"
[21:53] <knome> vidd, and tina is gone, connection closed by remote
[21:53] <vidd> knome, i got eaten by the lag-monster
[23:49] <apadox> hi .. i have googled but can't find how to set 1280x800 in xubuntu
[23:51] <knome> apadox, from the Application menu: Settings > Settings Manager > Display
[23:51] <apadox> knome,  there is no option for that res
[23:51] <apadox> only 1024x 800
[23:51] <apadox> 1024x768
[23:51] <knome> i suppose your monitor should support the bigger resolution?


[04:35] <sbalneav> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/WikiSite/SimpleLDAPSetup
[04:35] <sbalneav> Hopefully that'll help some people.
[17:24] <airjump> hello
[17:28] <mhall119> 2 minutes, wow
[20:19] <joerg> hi
[22:30] <joerg> is this a chat or a graveyard? :o)
[22:45] <Ahmuck-Jr> superbowl sunday
[22:55] <joerg> Ahmuck-Jr, don't u wanna do some web design for my new project? :D


[01:46] <Burgwork> there is a small license issue in the shipped artwork
[01:46] <Burgwork> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-November/003522.html
[01:47] <Burgwork> dawn of Ubuntu is cc-nc, which is very much non-free
[05:57] <troy_s> greets all my fine people.
[06:21] <BHSPitLappy> and you
[11:09] <lapo> hi


[04:56] <jjesse> hello LaserJock
[04:56] <LaserJock> hi jjesse
[04:57] <jjesse> how are u?
[09:01] <mdke_> Laser_away: no one has stepped up for the serverguide packaging thing looks like. Know of an easy guide for how to build more than one binary from a single source? Maybe I can make a start
[09:05] <bhuvan> mdke_: sorry, i'm unaware of building more than one binary from single source
[09:06] <mdke_> me too. I don't know anything about packaging
[09:06] <mdke_> we'll get there though
[10:06] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, i'm trying to add my information on my user prefernces to mail me changes to all the MozillTeam wiki pages
[10:06] <Admiral_Chicago> Does "Subscribed wiki pages (one regex per line) MozillaTeam*" work?
[10:14] <Madpilot> wildcards do work, yes
[03:41] <linuxphotogeek> mdke: morning
[03:43] <linuxphotogeek> mdke_: morning
[03:45] <linuxphotogeek> I sent an email to the list from a foreign address 12 hours ago and it still awaits approval - are you the admin?
[03:47] <linuxphotogeek> I've added this email address to my Launchpad page in hopes this will allow me to send mail to the group from the second email? am I deluded on this?
[04:27] <nixternal> willvdl: 5
[04:27] <nixternal> errr
[04:27] <nixternal> never mind that, forgot the /wi tab complete for window
[04:32] <willvdl> too late. I saw it
[04:49] <jsgotangco> yo
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67966 in xubuntu-docs (main) "Xubuntu -- FIrefox home page still references 6.06" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67966
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85375 in xubuntu-docs (main) "Broken link to Gnumeric Quick Start Guide" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85375
[08:11] <LaserJock> mdke: still up?
[09:45] <linuxphotogeek> nixternal: are you a ubuntu-doc list moderator? (email)
[10:14] <nixternal> yo yo
[10:14] <nixternal> no linuxphotogeek
[10:24] <linuxphotogeek> nixternal: is it just me or has the email ubuntu-doc list gone quiet?
[10:36] <nixternal> linuxphotogeek: I am sorry, I am a moderator :)
[10:36] <nixternal> I am at school and losing my mind
[10:36] <nixternal> heh
[10:36] <LaserJock> isn't that what school is for?
[10:37] <nixternal> linuxphotogeek: I went ahead and accepted your email
[10:37] <nixternal> LaserJock: I thunk so :)
[10:38] <nixternal> crimsun: I have some c++ code. I compile with Linux (g++ -o foo foo.cpp) it builds no errors, but rounding on one problem isn't correct. With VC++.NET it works and rounds fine
[10:38] <nixternal> do you know which optimization flag I should use to get this to work right
[10:41] <nixternal> argh, time to go home, yay!
[10:42] <linuxphotogeek> nixternal: thanks now I need to figure out what to do to be able to send to the list from either email address
[10:56] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: brian * r3805 kubuntu/switching/C/installing.xml: Case changes for CD abbreviation
[11:30] <mdke> LaserJock: hi
[11:30] <mdke> linuxphotogeek: subscribe both and set one as "on vacation" so it doesn't deliver mail
[11:33] <crimsun> nixternal: I'd need to see the code
[11:33] <crimsun> nixternal: not to mention the compiler verion.
[11:33] <LaserJock> mdke: you worked on packaging yet?
[11:34] <mdke> LaserJock: no
[11:56] <LaserJock> mdke: are you wanting to ship it as both docbook and html?


[04:48] <bkerensa> hi big_t
[23:18] <C_Smith> hello, everyone! :D
[23:19] <C_Smith> is it okay to use this channel in a similar manner as #ubuntu-offtopic?
[23:30] <bkerensa> C_Smith: Yes you can talk here openly all the other loco teams use their main channel for offtopic chatter the only thing is this channel is logged so its up to you what you feel comfortable discussing
[23:30] <bkerensa> ;)
[23:30] <C_Smith> cool, thanks!
[23:31] <C_Smith> also, the IRC meeting on wednesday is here, right?


[00:00] <gamerchick02> i'm off for antiques roadshow. old? yes, i am. see everyone tomorrow
[00:21] <rick_h_> greg-g: no idea when we'll cross paths again
[00:58] <greg-g> rick_h_: :(
[00:59] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, we'll figure something out at some point
[01:03] <greg-g> rick_h_: if you need it by any point, just let me know, and I'll take the time to head to CHC
[11:12] <greg-g> g'morning
[11:15] <rick_h_> morning
[11:15] <rick_h_> early party greg-g ?
[11:21] <greg-g> about the usual now. I have an employee that needs to start at 8am (so she can get to her second half-time gig by noon-ish) so I need to be there to open the door for her
[11:22] <rick_h_> ah, gotcha
[11:41] <brousch> nappy nappy
[11:43] <Wolfger> morning
[11:44] <rick_h_> brousch: +1
[11:45] <rick_h_> crap, now I feel like I'm a google ad when I do a +1 in chat
[11:45] <Wolfger> why do you even do +1? We've always been a ++ crowd....
[11:45] <rick_h_> python doesn't do ++
[11:45] <Wolfger> It doesn't?
[11:46] <Wolfger> Lame
[11:46] <rick_h_> +=1
[11:46] <Wolfger> --
[11:48] <brousch> google's in your head, man
[11:48] <rick_h_> crap! /me runs
[11:49] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:49] <snap-l> We were doing +1 before +! became cool
[11:50] <snap-l> We're +1 hipsters
[11:51] <windows> morning
[11:52] <snap-l> Nice, looks like Jamendo updated their terms of service
[11:55] <snap-l> And we're about 5 minutes away from the OMC big four of CC metal
[11:57] <brousch> crap, i'm way behind on omc
[11:58] <brousch> no assburners?
[11:58] <snap-l> No assburners
[11:58] <snap-l> Everything else, though
[12:00] <brousch> i'm boycotting
[12:02] <snap-l> brousch: OK.
[12:02] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2011/07/12/open-metalcast-episode-25-the-big-four-of-cc-metal/
[12:03] <brousch> i need a snappy protest chant
[12:03] <greg-g> snap-l: do you know what the changes were to the Jamendo TOS?
[12:05] <brousch> blah blah own your ass blah blah all your music are belong to us blah blah lawsuit
[12:06] <snap-l> They give a small summary
[12:06] <snap-l> one sec.
[12:07] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/361/
[12:07] <snap-l> Mostly that artists need to make sure they're  not part of some collective agency (ASCAP)
[12:07] <snap-l> that they can pull out of Jamendo Pro at any time (used to be a year)
[12:08] <snap-l> and that Jamendo is committed to not using their tracks for things like pornos, political stuff, etc.
[12:08] <greg-g> ah, so mostly with PRO
[12:08] <snap-l> and the assurance that artists will keep their music "free" on the site.
[12:09]  * greg-g nods
[12:09] <snap-l> ie: I'm CC, but also ASCAP
[12:09] <snap-l> or I made a CC cover of Rick Astley, but that's ASCAP
[12:09] <greg-g> heh, right
[12:09] <snap-l> or BMI, or ...
[12:10] <snap-l> brousch: Still boycotting?
[12:10] <brousch> yes, until this afternoon when i'll have a chance to listen
[12:11] <snap-l> Ok, just wanted to make a note in Google Analytics. ;)
[12:11] <snap-l> I hope you all like the intro
[12:27] <rick_h_> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/07/military-meltdown-monday-90k-military-usernames-hashes-released.ars
[12:27] <rick_h_> *sigh*
[12:30] <snap-l> rick_h_: That's AWESOME.
[12:31] <snap-l> (and by awesome, I mean freaking terrible)
[12:31] <rick_h_> yea, 90k military passwords for potential reuse across any facing military sites
[12:31] <rick_h_> sha-1 wheeee
[12:31] <rick_h_> If there's a high ranking officer in there with 12345 as a password, I'm going to explode
[12:32] <snap-l> rick_h_: Brace for it
[12:32] <rick_h_> http://www.duosecurity.com/docs/top250gawker.txt better not match up
[12:36] <greg-g> yeah, chances are there is one with 12345 (but maybe up to 8 if there are char limits) :)
[12:37] <rick_h_> always have greg-g to help me feel better
[12:37] <greg-g> 'tis what I'm here for
[12:40] <Wolfger> qwertyui
[12:41] <Wolfger> or for the touch-typists out there, a password meeting normal restrictions would be Asdfjkl;
[12:41] <Wolfger> (one cap plus one non-alpha)
[12:42] <rick_h_> Wolfger: however, if you reuse that password it's all for naught
[12:45]  * greg-g nods
[12:45] <greg-g> Thank you, Revelation Password manager
[12:46]  * Wolfger contemplates the name "Revelation" for a password manager....
[12:46] <Wolfger> I don't want my passwords revealed :-p
[12:47] <rick_h_> hah
[12:47] <greg-g> only to you, my good boy
[12:50] <windows> any one looking for work? OU has a sysadmin opening in the school of business. it's going to me mostly windows work. just fyi
[12:50] <windows> and you get to work with me :)
[12:51] <brousch> we would get to work with windows?
[12:51] <brousch> is that supposed to be an incentive?
[12:52] <rick_h_> heh, don't listen to brousch, he's a windows worker already :P
[12:53] <brousch> But my goal is to phase it out of existence
[12:59] <Wolfger> I'd be interested in that position, but something tells me OU wants a degreed applicant. And/or it won't pay comparable to my existing job :-p
[13:05] <windows> yeah, 4 year degree is a must
[13:07] <windows> working with windows is always a joy. :p
[13:13] <snap-l> Speaking of Windows: https://identi.ca/notice/78611773
[13:15] <Wolfger> :-)
[13:15] <Wolfger> All it needs is a talking paperclip...
[13:21] <Wolfger> Speaking of cutesy little crap... Why hasn't Ubuntu changed the "working" cursor to a rotating Ubuntu circle? That would be pretty slick...
[13:23] <snap-l> Wolfger: I'm not sure why.
[13:23] <snap-l> I'm surprised they didn't use the Atari ST Bee.
[13:23] <snap-l> http://www.cafepress.com/atari_st_bee
[13:23] <snap-l> That way you'd know your computer was a busy bee.
[13:24] <Wolfger> groan
[13:25]  * snap-l is regretting sticking witht eh Atari 8 bit for as long as I did
[13:25] <snap-l> missed out on the classic mac, the Atari ST, etc.
[13:28] <brousch> jcastro: which museum were you working at on dinosaur stuff?
[13:30] <snap-l> Thanks for the RTs
[13:31] <brousch> East siders with kids, how awesome is the Detroit Science Center? http://www.detroitsciencecenter.org/
[13:32] <snap-l> brousch: I don't know. I haven't been to the DSC in a while
[13:32] <snap-l> on the order of many many years.
[13:32] <snap-l> brousch: Have you been to Impression 5?
[13:33] <snap-l> http://impression5.org/index.php
[13:33] <brousch> no
[13:33] <snap-l> Last I was there, it was pretty damn awesome.
[13:33] <snap-l> that's been over 10 years now, iirc.
[13:33] <snap-l> But it's a very hands-on place.
[13:33] <brousch> we were supposed to have a family outing to the detroit zoo this weekend, but people are dropping due to heat
[13:33] <rick_h_> 10yrs and 10 budget cuts later ...
[13:34] <brousch> so i'm trying to reroute it to someplace indoors before people just give up
[13:34] <Wolfger> DSC is teh awesome
[13:35] <Wolfger> no kids, but I have godchildren :-p
[13:35] <Wolfger> and I love it just for the domed Imax movies
[13:36] <_stink_> brousch: it's worth a trip, i think
[13:36] <_stink_> depends on the age of the kids
[13:37] <brousch> 3 - 4
[13:37] <brousch> i think the animatronic dinos would be enough by themselves
[13:37] <_stink_> yeah
[13:38] <_stink_> it's a good alternative for sure
[13:38] <_stink_> for the zoo
[13:46] <greg-g> anyone know anything about http://www.typemock.com/
[13:46] <greg-g> ?
[13:47] <greg-g> I just got a personal email suggesting we (the LoCo) do a webinar about it
[13:47] <greg-g> if you want a free license for it, let me know, I don't think we'll do the webinar as a group :)
[13:48] <snap-l> Interesting.
[13:48] <rick_h_> greg-g: not seen/heard of typemock
[13:48] <snap-l> brousch: There's also the Cranbrook museum, but that's not as geared to young ones, if memory serves.
[13:52] <greg-g> btw, I feel soooo much better with my Photos/Videos/Music now on my RAID 1 enclosure (only took about an hour last night after a couple failed first starts, figuring out the optimum setup)
[13:57] <snap-l> greg-g: Very cool
[14:14] <brousch> greg-g: and in the cloud, i assume
[14:22] <greg-g> brousch: Photos and Music are on my colo, videos not (yet)
[14:22] <greg-g> takes a lot longer to transfer video from laptop to USB drive than laptop to colo over wifi :)
[14:22] <greg-g> erm, switch than
[14:23] <brousch> even using U-M's ginormous pipes?
[14:24] <greg-g> well, the wifi is artificially limited, and I can't plug my laptop into the ethernet since it is not U-M owned (that is library policy, I could when I worked in the Med School's Dept. of Enabling Technologies)
[15:13] <Wolfger> so Python can do "normal" variable insertion of variables inside print statements, and also C-style formatted (i.e. %s to placehold for string variable) insertion? Why would you ever actually want to do the second of those two things?
[15:13] <_stink_> what do you mean by the first of those things?
[15:14] <Wolfger> print "There are", cars, "cars available."
[15:14] <snap-l> Wolfger: it's useful for decimal formatting
[15:14] <_stink_> ah, ok
[15:14] <_stink_> formatting and keeping a string template around for repeated use
[15:15] <_stink_> but now % substitution is deprecated, and .format() is what we're supposed to use.
[15:15] <Wolfger> ah, I understand the latter. Example of decimal formatting?
[15:16] <_stink_> http://docs.python.org/library/stdtypes.html#string-formatting-operations
[15:16] <_stink_> like number of places to the right of the decimal type stuff
[15:16] <rick_h_> ok so two parts
[15:17] <rick_h_> one, strings are immutable
[15:17] <rick_h_> building a string with + is a performance kill
[15:17] <rick_h_> never ever do that
[15:17] <rick_h_> .format() is the bomb and does all the fancinesss you want in one function call
[15:18] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/362/
[15:18] <Wolfger> I want fanciness? ;-)
[15:19]  * snap-l looks at all of his + concatenated strings.
[15:20] <snap-l> What should I use in place of +, then?
[15:20] <rick_h_> snap-l: .format()
[15:21] <snap-l> blergh
[15:21] <rick_h_> % is gone in pythong3
[15:21] <snap-l> print "Sending of " + infile + " with file-type " + data_file_type + "  failed"
[15:22] <snap-l> so instead that would be:
[15:22] <rick_h_> print "Sending of {0} with filetype {1} failed.format(infile, data_filetype)
[15:22] <snap-l> print "Sending of {} with file-type {} failed".format(infile,date_file_type)
[15:22] <rick_h_> or
[15:23] <rick_h_> print "Sending of {in} with filetype {type} failed.format(in=infile, type=data_filetype)
[15:23] <rick_h_> I think works
[15:23] <rick_h_> which is generally better since you can do things like
[15:24] <rick_h_> data = {in: xxx, type: zzz, size: 999}
[15:24] <rick_h_> and just do .format(**data)
[15:24] <rick_h_> and it'll match any names that exist4
[15:24] <rick_h_> /exist4/exist
[15:24] <Wolfger> Now that is fairly sweet
[15:24] <snap-l> Ah, interesting.
[15:24] <rick_h_> but each time you do + it reallocates memeory and builds a new string
[15:25] <rick_h_> so "test" + 3 + "bob" + var3 actually builds 4 different strings in memory
[15:25] <Wolfger> ugly
[15:25] <rick_h_> and you end up getting one back and the other 3 have to be garbage collected
[15:25] <rick_h_> yea, the .format() is also good for bringing all your 'output messages' to a single file
[15:25] <rick_h_> and doing things like
[15:25] <rick_h_> print msgs.invalid_file.format(**data)
[15:26] <rick_h_> poor mans internalization or string changes from client to client
[15:26] <_stink_> rick_h_: so **some_dict is how you take an existing dict and pass it into a function expecting keyword args?
[15:26] <rick_h_> right, it loops through the dict turning each key:val into kwargs
[15:26] <_stink_> that.... is something i did not know
[15:26] <_stink_> thanks
[15:26] <rick_h_> yea, very handy for things like that
[15:27] <rick_h_> cool when an object implements the dict protocol
[15:27] <rick_h_> say you have user.name user.age user.sex
[15:27] <rick_h_> you can fill out a whole user page with just html.format(**user)
[15:27] <Wolfger> screw book learning, I'm just going to ask questions in-channel when rick_h_ is around :-)
[15:28] <rick_h_> heh, well like all rules I don't always follow and I cheat and do + if I'm only doing it once in a string kind of thing
[15:28] <rick_h_> all my functional tests have "should not be empty: " + str(response)
[15:28] <rick_h_> because it's in tests and shorter than the .format() version
[15:28] <Wolfger> Now is all that dict-passing goodness peculiar to Py3, or is it in Py2 as well?
[15:31] <snap-l> It's in Py2
[15:31] <Wolfger> Also, is there some point at which the size of the dict becomes an issue? I mean, if we're concerned about building 4 strings to print one, are we also concerned that we might wind up passing a 200 entry dict into a print that needs only 1 or 2 of those?
[15:31] <rick_h_> well, string operations tend to be looped
[15:31] <rick_h_> say you're outputting a csv file or soething
[15:31] <rick_h_> you do 4 for each row of the file
[15:31] <rick_h_> and yes, dicts can have overhead
[15:32] <rick_h_> they'd about 5x more memeory overhead than a namedtuples
[15:32] <rick_h_> which is the preferred way to keep data like that if you're going ot have tons of it
[15:32] <rick_h_> the dict/object thing is handy since most data can/should be in that format anyway
[15:32] <rick_h_> but anytime I have a ton of dicts in a script I start using namedtuples
[15:33] <_stink_> what do you lose, then?  some dict methods?
[15:33] <rick_h_> well namedtuples are only as big as you define them
[15:33] <_stink_> ah, ok
[15:33] <rick_h_> so if there are 4 properties, you can only have those 4
[15:33] <rick_h_> you can't keep adding to them
[15:33] <rick_h_> since they're immutable
[15:34] <rick_h_> so you can't update the values as well
[15:34] <rick_h_> like a counter or something
[15:34] <rick_h_> they behave more like tuples, but with pretty names so it reads much nicer than
[15:34] <_stink_> right, gotcha
[15:34] <rick_h_> data[1], data[2]
[15:34] <_stink_> mutability is the key difference
[15:34] <rick_h_> it's data.filename, data.size
[15:34] <rick_h_> rgr
[15:34] <rick_h_> but if you're processing something known, file fields, data on a file you know, etc, it's much better performance
[15:35] <_stink_> yep
[15:35] <_stink_> cool, thanks
[15:35] <rick_h_> and thus ends python 101 by @mitechie for the day lol
[15:35] <rick_h_> homework is due thurs
[15:35] <_stink_> my dog ate it
[15:35] <rick_h_> psh, must be submitted to the server via git push
[15:40] <mpiccinato> Anyone using GitHub pages at all?
[15:42] <rick_h_> no, I looked into it, but doing it with sphinx docs seemed more compliacted
[15:48] <Wolfger> wait, what?
[15:48] <Wolfger> I missed the assignment.
[15:49] <Wolfger> And now I need Git 101 to submit my homework
[15:49]  * Wolfger cries
[15:49] <rick_h_> that was a pre-req
[15:49] <rick_h_> how did you get in without it?
[15:49] <Wolfger> dunno. They just let me sign up
[15:52] <Wolfger> OK, periscope down and back to work. P.S.:  It's likely to keep you from routing crap around
[16:47] <snap-l> All in the name of security.
[17:18] <rick_h_> whoa, just got emailed out of the blue to present at 1DevDay detroit
[17:19] <rick_h_> anyone know David Mckinnon?
[17:19] <rick_h_> or ever been to 1DevDay?
[17:21] <greg-g> neither
[17:22] <ColonelPanic001> never heard of either
[17:28] <rick_h_> http://1devdaydetroit.wordpress.com/ and https://sites.google.com/site/1devday/
[17:28] <rick_h_> looks like
[17:28] <rick_h_> cool, michigan based dev conf
[17:38] <snap-l> rick_h_: That is awesome. When is it?
[17:38] <rick_h_> No 4/5th
[17:38] <rick_h_> Nov that is
[17:39] <rick_h_> opening stuff the evening of 4th
[17:39] <rick_h_> conf day is 5th
[21:03] <Milyardo> rick_h_: What would you present? Alot of the topics seems to about Java
[21:11] <mpiccinato> rick_h_: david is a good guy, runs the Detroit Java User Group and has setup a couple local dev events
[21:24] <alpha-01> Hello?
[21:25] <Blazeix> alpha-01: hey
[21:25] <alpha-01> It works!
[21:25] <alpha-01> hello blazeix
[21:25] <Blazeix> hey, yep
[21:25] <snap-l> Hello there.
[21:26] <alpha-01> I was told this was the place to go to find local michiganders who might be able/willing to assist me with updating my OS
[21:26] <alpha-01> any chance that might be any of you?
[21:27] <snap-l> Um, that depends.
[21:27] <alpha-01> i thought so, just wanted to get some sort of conversation started
[21:27] <alpha-01> what would it depend on?
[21:28] <snap-l> What OS you're talking about?
[21:28] <alpha-01> ubuntu
[21:28] <Blazeix> do you know what version?
[21:29] <alpha-01> i read 11.04 was buggy when you try to thumbstick install it using sandisk
[21:29] <alpha-01> so i'd be content with whatever would actually work
[21:30] <Milyardo> You should be more specific about the version you're trying to upgrade from
[21:30] <Blazeix> what version are you on now?
[21:30] <alpha-01> i haven't been able to get a successful install since the first time i did this which was 8. something
[21:30] <Blazeix> You can go to the "System > About" menu, I htink
[21:30] <alpha-01> so i figure it is time to seek help from others and swallow that granual of pride
[21:30] <alpha-01> 8.10
[21:31] <alpha-01> i have a netbook so a live cd is out of the question...
[21:32] <alpha-01> and while i can get the machine to boot from the usb, it hangs at one point and just won't go anyfurther, gives up, and loads 8.10
[21:33] <snap-l> alpha-01: I don't believe you can upgrade from 8.10 to 11.04 directly
[21:34] <snap-l> because the intervening versions aren't there
[21:34] <alpha-01> i've also tried 10.04 to no avail
[21:34] <snap-l> and you'll likely get messed up
[21:34] <alpha-01> explains a lot
[21:35] <Milyardo> alpha-01: What netbook?
[21:35] <Milyardo> and what CD image are you trying to put on the UDB drive?
[21:35] <Milyardo> *USB
[21:36] <alpha-01> ubuntu-10.04.2-desktop-i386
[21:39] <snap-l> How are you putting the image on the USB key?
[21:43] <alpha-01> sorry for the disappearing act
[21:44] <alpha-01> ubuntu-10.04.2-desktop-i386.iso
[21:46] <alpha-01> anybody there?
[21:49] <alpha-01> anybody?
[21:57] <alpha-01> somebody, anybody!
[21:57] <alpha-01> I am sorry for leaving you
[21:57] <alpha-01> I won't ever do it again...
[22:02] <Blazeix> alpha-01: don't worry about it, some of us are busy. are you using usb-creator to create the usb stick?
[22:03] <alpha-01> "create a usb start up disk" part of ubuntu 8.10 admin apps.
[22:08] <alpha-01> so i am guessing the likelihood of finding another michigander is a little less than likely. Know thought that I still heartilly appreciate your effort.
[22:22] <alpha-01> ok, different question. what must i do to join an additional room?
[22:22] <alpha-01> or channel as i believe they might be called here.
[22:22] <_stink_> alpha-01: just do /join #whateveryouwant
[22:23] <alpha-01> thanks stink
[22:23] <_stink_> np
[22:25] <Milyardo> "i am guessing the likelihood of finding another michigander is a little less than likely", I know Flint's a ghost town, but I don't think its that bad
[22:25] <Milyardo> :)
[22:26] <alpha-01> detroit is closer, but then again, how many detroiter's use ubuntu, and of that number, how many in this channel right now?
[22:26] <alpha-01> :)
[22:42] <_stink_> alpha-01: do you have another machine handy?  one with a CD ROM drive?
[22:43] <_stink_> there are utilities for XP (and i guess for win7, not that i would know) that can make a bootable ubuntu USB drive
[22:43] <_stink_> might be your best bet
[22:44] <alpha-01> i might try that
[22:45] <alpha-01> other machine has no internet though so it will take a couple extra steps
[22:45] <alpha-01> thanks for the input
[22:46] <rick_h_> Milyardo: something about Python. I'm token divisertiy :)
[22:46] <rick_h_> mpiccinato: ah cool
[22:47] <_stink_> alpha-01: yeah, gotta get the ISO file onto the other machine somehow.
[22:47] <alpha-01> the regular install .iso?
[22:48] <_stink_> yeah - those USB creation tools always want you to be able to point at the iso file on the local machine's hard drive somewhere.
[22:49] <_stink_> and if that machine's not on the internets, you'll have to shuffle it via USB or something.
[22:49] <alpha-01> i have that already
[22:49] <_stink_> cool.  you just have to get it on the machine you'll create the bootable USB from.
[22:49] <alpha-01> ubuntu has an app to convert it to bootable usb form.
[22:50] <alpha-01> but it doesn't work
[22:50] <alpha-01> it gets stuck and then gives up and boots regular
[23:34] <snap-l> Have you verified the media?
[23:37] <alpha-01> ??
[23:37] <alpha-01> totally verified...?
[23:40] <rick_h_> greg-g: ?? you going back to CC?
[23:43] <greg-g> rick_h_: yep!
[23:44] <rick_h_> greg-g: dude! quit doing awesome stuff :P
[23:44] <greg-g> alright, email writing time, transition period begins
[23:44] <rick_h_> going back to CA then?
[23:44] <greg-g> yeah
[23:44] <rick_h_> boooooo! but yay
[23:44] <greg-g> :/ :)
[23:45] <brousch> wait, moving to california?
[23:46] <brousch> alpha-01: there is quite a large linux user group in detroit
[23:46] <brousch> snap-l is one of the board members or something
[23:47] <alpha-01> really?
[23:47] <alpha-01> i thought snap-l was from DC
[23:47] <greg-g> nope, our snap-l is in Detroit, board member of MUG (http://mug.org)
[23:47] <brousch> most of the active users in here are in detroit/ann arbor
[23:47] <alpha-01> nice
[23:48] <brousch> alpha-01: when you emailled me, i assumed you were in west mi
[23:48] <greg-g> MUG is going on right now, so that is why he isn't responding, he just finished giving a preso
[23:48] <brousch> heh
[23:48] <alpha-01> wow
[23:48] <alpha-01> where is MUG?
[23:49] <waldo323> we're in Southfield now
[23:49] <alpha-01> lol
[23:49] <rick_h_> http://www.mug.org/map/
[23:49] <greg-g> :)
[23:49] <waldo323> at the engineering society of detroit office
[23:49] <alpha-01> I'm hanging out in madison heights and live in west bloomfield
[23:49] <alpha-01> yay oakland county
[23:50] <waldo323> :)
[23:50] <alpha-01> well, if tyrok led me astray i may i have to meet up with one of you at some point.
[23:50] <brousch> is this still the unofficial MUG channel or did they get their own?
[23:50] <brousch> tyrok is the man
[23:50] <waldo323> we have one but this remains more active
[23:50] <alpha-01> very helpful
[23:50] <rick_h_> brousch: mug has its own channel
[23:51] <rick_h_> but this is official back channel not to be used on the projector :)
[23:51] <waldo323> #mugorg
[23:52] <brousch> my dad just got wimax out here in the boondocks between ravenna and sparta
[23:52] <brousch> i'm hooking up the rest of his network
[23:52] <alpha-01> intrepid ibex is dead, so he recommended replacing intrepid references with karmic in the etc/apt/sources.list and then upgrading which seems to be working so far.
[23:52] <alpha-01> not to the reboot yet, we shall see...
[23:52] <brousch> hm, risky
[23:53] <brousch> hopefully you backed up first
[23:53] <alpha-01> he had be back up
[23:53] <alpha-01> nothing else seemed to work, so hopefully this does the trick.
[23:54] <brousch> i recommend you back up your home dir and install the newest ubuntu. otherwise you'll have to upgrade through 9.04, 9.10, 10.04, 10.10, 11.04
[23:54] <alpha-01> tried installing 11.04 but i guess it is buggy with a sandisk thumbstick
[23:54] <alpha-01> then tried 10.10 to no avail.
[23:55] <snap-l> greg-g: WHere in CC are you headed?
[23:55] <snap-l> and COngratulations!
[23:55] <snap-l> And yes, I'm in Michigan.
[23:55] <alpha-01> hopefully after this i can jump to 10.10, otherwise it will be upgrade after upgrade.
[23:56] <greg-g> snap-l: where in CC? or where in CA? in CA: Bay Area (live in SF-city, work in Mt. View)
[23:56] <greg-g> in CC: well, working on OER stuff
[23:56] <greg-g> blog post forthcoming
[23:56] <rick_h_> greg-g: did you see that MSU stuff from Titus I linked you to hte other day?
[23:56] <rick_h_> CC course stuff for the genome mapping stuff
[23:57] <greg-g> yeah! that was really awesome looking
[23:58] <rick_h_> not sure if that fits your stuff, but figured it was cool none the less
[23:59] <greg-g> yeah, definitely related