[12:13] <autoscum> i found a blank cd ^_^
[12:14] <afk> i got a slight issue wich i been trying to fix for about a week now i had feisty installed with XP but upgraded to vista and now i can't seem to find a way to fix grub so kubuntu can boot i've done forum searching saying to boot it from cd but i always get a panic
[12:14] <Dragnslcr> I'm beginning to wonder if it'd be worth it at this point to go back and install the 32-bit version
[12:14] <Dragnslcr> So much stuff that doesn't have amd64 packages yet
[12:15] <nosrednaekim> kenro: yes
[12:15] <autoscum> kenro: im gonna download kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso that's okay, right? :)
[12:15] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr: thats what I did
[12:15] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: as long as you don't have a SPARC ;)
[12:15] <autoscum> sparc?? :D
[12:16] <nosrednaekim> its another architecture
[12:16] <kenro> autoscum, That's feisty, right?
[12:16] <autoscum> yep 7.04
[12:16] <Dragnslcr> Except I made the mistake of not separating my /home partition
[12:16] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: yeah, thats fine
[12:16] <autoscum> okay :))
[12:16] <autoscum> downloading @ 3.5 MB/s
[12:16] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr: BIG mistake :)
[12:16] <autoscum> 2 minutes ^^
[12:16] <Dragnslcr> nosrednaekim- heh, yup
[12:16] <afk> anyone?
[12:16] <nosrednaekim> EVERYONE?
[12:16] <kenro> autoscum, Kill the playbyplay
[12:17] <autoscum> kill the playbyplay??
[12:17] <Surger> Will the kubuntu 7.04 desktop install on a PC with less than 256MB of RAM or must I rather download the "alternate" ISO?
[12:18] <TheCreationist> Okay, after upgrading to Feisty, I now have no sound, no support for my CD burner, and startup is extremely slow.  Since I have no CD burner, I can't even burn a copy of Ubuntu.  What should I do now?
[12:18] <Surger> i.e. Will the installer check and refuse to install if < 256MB of RAM?
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> Surger: how much ram does it have?
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> Surger: no.
[12:18] <Surger> nosrednaekim: 96MB
[12:18] <afk> dum de do.
[12:18] <Jucato> Surger: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-release.php says 256MB will do.
[12:18] <kenro> autoscum, Disregard. Was too slow, shouldn't have typed it anyway.
[12:18] <Jucato> anything lower will need the alternate install cd
[12:18] <autoscum> kenro: :))
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> Surger: definately get the alternate installer, and in addition I would reccomend Xubuntu
[12:19] <autoscum> what was the burn command again? :)
[12:19] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: upen up k3b
[12:19] <kenro> k3b better than Nero.
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> kenro: its free :)
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> but no.
[12:20] <autoscum> that's writing at 52x ?!
[12:20] <afk> hmm i'd take it no one has an answer
[12:20] <kenro> k3d better than lightwave.
[12:20] <autoscum> is it safe??
[12:20] <Dragnslcr> Actually, can parted/gparted create new partitions from the empty space in an existing partition?
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> afk: whats the question?
[12:20] <autoscum> oh, wait, it doesnt go over 26, never mind :))
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr: yep
[12:21] <afk> k> i got a slight issue wich i been trying to fix for about a week now i had feisty installed with XP but upgraded to vista and now i can't seem to find a way to fix grub so kubuntu can boot i've done forum searching saying to boot it from cd but i always get a panic
[12:21] <Surger> nosrednaekim &Jucato: Thanks. This machine will basically be headless and will run in console. Just want to be able to run a few small X11/Xorg apps remotely so 96MB should work.
[12:21] <nosrednaekim> afk: Vista probably messed with your BIOS
[12:21] <Dragnslcr> So it should be possible to create a new partition and move /home to it
[12:21] <afk> hmm
[12:21] <autoscum> Vista can alter bios?
[12:21] <Jucato> Surger: then the Alternate Install CD would be better for you. you can install a command line system (headless) using that
[12:22] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: sometimes upgrading also upgrades your BIOS, especcially if you do an Express upgrade
[12:22] <afk> i had a recent bios update from sony
[12:22] <TheCreationist> Okay, after upgrading to Feisty, I now have no sound, no support for my CD burner, and startup is extremely slow.  Since I have no CD burner, I can't even burn a copy of Ubuntu.  What should I do now?
[12:22] <autoscum> motherf@$%#
[12:22] <afk> that mean the system is useless?
[12:22] <autoscum> write error :(((
[12:23] <nosrednaekim> afk: did you try booting linuxafter you upgraded the BIOS
[12:23] <afk> ya worked fine
[12:23] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: that stinks
[12:23] <nosrednaekim> afk: odd.
[12:23] <autoscum> nosrednaekim: want the debug output?
[12:23] <nosrednaekim> the Kubuntu liveCD doesn't boot?
[12:23] <afk> is it posibule the live cd won't boot the h/d because its a diffent version?
[12:23] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: eh.. why ot
[12:23] <nosrednaekim> afk: oh, you are trying to boot the HD?
[12:24] <afk> ya so i can reinstall grub
[12:24] <nosrednaekim> afk: no,just boot the liveCD
[12:24] <nosrednaekim> and then CHroot
[12:24] <afk> does it matter that its a diffent version of kubuntu?
[12:24] <autoscum> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26496/
[12:24] <autoscum> here
[12:25] <nosrednaekim> afk: no
[12:25] <afk> happen to have a totorial on how to reinstall grub
[12:26] <nosrednaekim> afk: from a chroot?
[12:26] <Dragnslcr> nosrednaekim- I have a 250 GB disk with just under 100 GB used. Think I should try making a new partition and installing the i386 version to it?
[12:26] <afk> i had this happen befor and ended up having to reformat it
[12:26] <TheCreationist> After upgrading to Feisty, I no longer have support for my CD writer.  I need to burn an ISO of Ubuntu and try a fresh install, but without a burner, I'm stuck with a broken system.  What can I do?
[12:26] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: bad cd probably
[12:26] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr: hmm I think you have to do that from a LIveCD
[12:26] <autoscum> nosrednaekim: i'll try with the other one.. hope it works :(
[12:27] <Dragnslcr> nosrednaekim- parted can't work on mounted partitions then?
[12:27] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr: nope
[12:27] <Dragnslcr> Ah
[12:28] <autoscum> bah, this one was even more broken...
[12:28] <buffles> afk: Will this be of any use to You? http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_restore_GRUB_menu_after_Windows_installation
[12:28] <Dragnslcr> So how does this plan sound? Split off a new 50 GB partition, install the i386 version to that, and mount the remaining ~200GB partition as /home ?
[12:29] <TheCreationist> After upgrading to Feisty, I no longer have support for my CD writer.  I need to burn an ISO of Ubuntu and try a fresh install, but without a burner, I'm stuck with a broken system.  What can I do?
[12:29] <autoscum> how stupid...
[12:29] <Dragnslcr> If I do that, I shouldn't lose any data, right?
[12:30] <juanfran> hola a todos alguien me puede ayudar con virtualizacion en xen, en kubuntu 7.04????
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr: sounds good...
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr: except you are going to have to move some stuff around
[12:31] <Dragnslcr> nosrednaekim- yeah, I know I'd have to move stuff in /home/user to the new location
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> buffles: hmmm I never saw that method
[12:31] <Dragnslcr> Maybe some other directories, too. Moving files around doesn't bother me as long as I don't lose any of them
[12:32] <Dragnslcr> Should probably still burn a few DVD's worth of backups though, huh?
[12:32] <buffles> nosrednaekim: I've had to use it a few times after installing XP alongside Kubuntu
[12:32] <autoscum> well im gonna hit the sack
[12:32] <autoscum> good night, duuds :)
[12:32] <juanfran> me puede ayudar con virtualizacion en xen, en kubuntu 7.04????
[12:32] <autoscum> have a good one
[12:32] <juanfran> me pueden ayudar con virtualizacion en xen, en kubuntu 7.04????
[12:32] <Jucato> !es
[12:32] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:33] <nosrednaekim> buffles: I always just did the chroot approach
[12:35] <afk> suprizeingly that worked
[12:36] <ardchoille> Not sure if everyone saw this but it seems very relevant to this channel:  http://tinyurl.com/ypjs7q
[12:36] <afk> now i just need to figure out how to add vista to the boot i know how to manualy add xp ect but i hear vista is a bit harder
[12:36] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: yeah I saw that on tuxmachines
[12:37] <ardchoille> Jucato: IS it possible to put that link in the topic ?
[12:37] <buffles> nosrednaekim: I can't say that I'm familiar with that approach
[12:39] <nosrednaekim> buffles: you boot a livecd, chroot into your linux install and run grub-configure or whatever.
[12:39] <nosrednaekim> grub-install.
[12:39] <buffles> nosrednaekim: Oh, right
[12:39] <TheCreationist> After upgrading to Feisty, I no longer have support for my CD writer.  I need to burn an ISO of Ubuntu and try a fresh install, but without a burner, I'm stuck with a broken system.  What can I do?
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: install off of a USB stick...i THINK you can do that.
[12:40] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: I'm not sure that my bios will boot from USB.
[12:40] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: Nor do I have a USB drive ;)
[12:41] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: I'm just very confused how upgrading can make so much of my hardware suddenly not work.
[12:41] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: do a uname -a please
[12:42] <jezus007> i have an .rpm file
[12:42] <jezus007> what's the command
[12:42] <jezus007> to make it
[12:42] <Dragnslcr> Anyone know offhand an apt command to list all installed packages? Just figured I'd save it in case I want to go by it for reinstalling
[12:42] <jezus007> i forgot
[12:42] <Dragnslcr> jezus007- to convert it to a .deb is 'alien'
[12:42] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: Linux c-71-205-65-72 2.6.20-15-386  #2 Sun Apr 15 07:34:00 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:43] <Dragnslcr> Can't remember if Ubuntu can actually install RPM's directly
[12:43] <jezus007> well
[12:43] <jezus007> i need
[12:43] <jezus007> the program
[12:43] <jezus007> ActivePerl
[12:43] <ardchoille> Dragnslcr: it can't. you'd need to use alien but alien is dangerous
[12:43] <jezus007> i download ikt from here
[12:43] <jezus007> http://www.activestate.com/store/download.aspx?prdGUID=81fbce82-6bd5-49bc-a915-08d58c2648ca
[12:44] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: have updated your package lists and applied all updates?
[12:44] <jezus007> what should i do :s
[12:44] <Dragnslcr> ardchoille- I think the only package I've used it on was the software for Lightscribe, and it worked fine
[12:44] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: Yes.
[12:45] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: what does top show as your top process?
[12:46] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: init
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> do "alt+esc" or "top" in the terminal.
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: and what percent of the CPU is it using?
[12:46] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: Okay, now it's jumping between ksysguard and xorg
[12:47] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: xorg is using .7%
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: that sounds normal.
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> ok, now I remember the reason that your boot up is slow
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> I had the same problem.
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> And I couldn't fix it.
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> do you still have the edgy CD?
[12:49] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: Yes, I do.
[12:49] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: The slow boot is caused by it trying to access ata2... whatever that is (probably my burner)
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: you might want to use it.
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: hmm maybe... try unlgging your burner
[12:49] <oslo> hi
[12:49] <oslo> i'm looking for connecting a smartphone like a NETWORK Device. on XP it's use Belcarra LAN LINK driver, i read on linux it will be usbnet so i modprobe it but there isn't still no connection. ( it works fine on XP with VirtualBox but i would like do it directly on linux & use wine for the sync tool ) (( for it's working on Virtual box i don' tneed to modprobe usbnet ))
[12:50] <TheCreationist> brb...
[12:52] <oslo>  on XP with VirtualBox it's quite simple, teh drivers are automaticaly installed; on linux it's becoming a headach for me :S
[12:54] <jhutchins> oslo: Search for your specific model and linux.  The manufacturers often don't supply linux drivers and may actively discourage their development.
[12:54] <jhutchins> oslo: This means enough people who are good enough at hacking drivers must have that model phone to test and have the time to build drivers for it.
[12:54] <oslo> jhutchins> e2831 there is none
[12:55] <jhutchins> oslo: I'm sure if you were to offer to supply a dozen or so phones to the guys who write drivers, you'd get a driver in return.
[12:55] <oslo> it's also sells like Accton VM3228T
[12:56] <jhutchins> e2831 runs linux...
[12:56] <oslo> jhutchins> i've mine & the only things i could supply is knowledges & screenshots :p
[12:57] <jhutchins> oslo: Contact the manufacturer.  I'll bet they could help you get it working.
[12:58] <oslo> jhutchins> i'll do but how on linux to you mount a usb device like a network card ???
[12:58] <oslo> *do
[01:01] <starhawk> hi
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> hi
[01:01] <zarilion> HELP! I just enabled Beryl on my kubuntu but when i did i lost the frames on my windows, no minimize button etc. etc. anyone know how to get it back ?
[01:01] <grul> try disabling beryl
[01:02] <zarilion> ofc, but i want beryl and the bars :P
[01:02] <mdr> I just ditched the old crt moniter and installed a LCD, it seems a bit wavy at certain resolutions.  How do I reconfigure?
[01:02] <starhawk> I have gusty kubuntu and the add and remove programs is missing it was there but it seems one of the up dates changed it any ideas how to get it back
[01:02] <grul> :)
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> zarilion: install beryl-manager
[01:03] <zarilion> nosrednaekim: installed.
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> zarilion: run it
[01:03] <zarilion> nosrednaekim: done :)
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> rightclick on its icon->select windwos manager-.kwin
[01:04] <kenro> Anyone know if DCnet and Lopster are still running?
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> zarilion: got that?
[01:06] <zarilion> if i right click on the icon in the start bar i only get up the Edit stuff..
[01:06] <zarilion> im in the settings manager. on window management
[01:07] <starhawk> I have gusty kubuntu and the add and remove programs is missing it was there but it seems one of the up dates changed it any ideas how to get it back
[01:07] <kenro> !synaptic
[01:07] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[01:08] <kenro> !adept
[01:08] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[01:08] <kenro> Oh OK
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> zarilion: right click on the beryl icon.
[01:08] <kenro> Then why doesn't my copy of Synaptic require gome libs?
[01:09] <zarilion> yah
[01:09] <looki> hello what was the command to add the line into x.org that brought the titlebar in beryl?
[01:09] <nosrednaekim> addARGBGLXvisuals?
[01:09] <mdr> I just hooked up a LCD monitor.  The Screen Section of xorg.conf still has info on the old CRT monitor.   What do I change?  How do I reconfigure?
[01:10] <looki> yes, there was a command to automatically enter it into the file without editing
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> zarilion: and you don't get a popup list of beryl options?
[01:10] <starhawk> yes but there was a short cut to an add and remove programs in the start menue I liked it because it gave a decription of the programs
[01:10] <zarilion> yah
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> looki: IDK, that was probably some nvidia config option
[01:10] <zarilion> i just set it to kwin as window manager
[01:10] <zarilion> but then i lost the "start bar"
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> zarilion: did that work?
[01:10] <zarilion> i got the frames tho
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> the paneL?
[01:11] <zarilion> yah
[01:11] <zarilion> ahh. there it was
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> got it?
[01:11] <TrueFX> salut
[01:11] <TrueFX> hi
[01:11] <TrueFX> i ve got a problem
[01:11] <zarilion> but now the beryl effects is gone :(
[01:11] <TrueFX> i ve got 2 hard  drives
[01:11] <mdr> In windows I can set the the resolution to 1152 * 864 but this setting is not available in KDE.  Plus some resolutions appear wavy.
[01:12] <TrueFX> on one of which windows is installed and on the other kubuntu
[01:12] <TrueFX> i ve installed windows later on
[01:12] <TrueFX> have can i place an entry for that?
[01:12] <TrueFX> for windows operating system
[01:12] <zarilion> do i have to restart xserver when i have enabled beryl ?
[01:12] <TrueFX> before installing windows i ve plugged off my kubuntu drive
[01:12] <sparr> my desktop, ready to exhibit linux gaming goodness at a lan party this weekend...  http://sparr.homeip.net/desktop.png
[01:13] <nosrednaekim> zarilion: no, do you have a nvidia card?
[01:13] <zarilion> yeah
[01:13] <nosrednaekim> did you follow a tutorial for Beryl?
[01:13] <zarilion> nah.. just enabled it
[01:14] <zarilion> think i will do that now.. just thought id try it. but needed help to get back the frames ...
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> zarilion: go follow a tutorial for beryl and nvidia cards, it'll tell you the way to set it up
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> ok
[01:14] <zarilion> thank you for your kindness nosrednaekim  :)
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> zarilion: no problem.
[01:14] <Ze_M> why in kubuntu konqueror toolbars were modified, and speacially to the trap that they are now
[01:16] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: Okay, I'm back... sorry about that.    :)  I haven't tried that yet.
[01:19] <TheCreationist> hang on, I'll restart real quick.
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> darkrift411: you can add a trascan to the toolbar
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: lol
[01:20] <evsophomore2009> Nosrednaekim: where is the trash located?
[01:20] <evsophomore2009> its not in the K menu, or on the toolbar
[01:20] <evsophomore2009> or on the desktop
[01:21] <evsophomore2009> never mind
[01:21] <evsophomore2009> got it
[01:21] <oslo> evsophomore2009> on the kiker, right klick, add an applet ...
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> evsophomore2009: you can add a trashcan to the tool bar by right clicking on the panel->add palet-trash
[01:21] <oslo> k
[01:22] <evsophomore2009> is there any way to have Linux have that 3-D looking thing...like CTRL and move the mous?
[01:22] <evsophomore2009> *Mouse
[01:22] <Jucato> !beryl | evsophomore2009
[01:22] <ubotu> evsophomore2009: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:22] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: Yep.  THat solved it.  So apparently my cd burner is the "ata2" that dmesg said it had problems with.
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: hmm.
[01:22] <juanfran> hola me ayudan con virtualizacion en xen
[01:22] <Jucato> !es | juanfran
[01:22] <ubotu> juanfran: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: and I suppose you can't do without yourCD drive?
[01:23] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: Definitely not.
[01:24] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: I never would have thought that hardware support would be reduced in a new version lol
[01:24] <Ze_M> i dont see any GUI interface for nfs shares
[01:24] <Ze_M> kubuntu doesnt have any_?
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: yeah... well, its the new libata. added to 2.6.19
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> they're still coming up to speed.
[01:25] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: So what do you suggest I do to get this fixed?
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: go back to edgy.
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> I think thats the only way
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> talk to the devs over at #kubuntu-devel
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> they might be able to help
[01:27] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: Okay.  Thank you.
[01:28] <darkrift411> one thing i miss from windows is the taskbar look
[01:28] <JuJuBee> I need to install a simple mail server on my computer that can forward (  I think that is what I  need).
[01:28] <darkrift411> wish i could get it without tons of memory use or problems
[01:29] <Dragnslcr> JuJuBee- I like Postfix personally
[01:29] <JuJuBee> Easy to configure?
[01:29] <Dragnslcr> Easier than sendmail
[01:29] <Dragnslcr> The docs are good too
[01:29] <JuJuBee> Seems it is already installed.  Thanks I will read up.
[01:29] <KDEusr> can someone please help me?
[01:30] <KDEusr> i've just installed kubuntu for the first time. it never asked me to set a root password
[01:30] <KDEusr> and i need to be root, and i cant with out knowing the password
[01:30] <Dragnslcr> You shouldn't need to be root for anything
[01:30] <darkrift411> anyone know if there is a *very* windows like kicker skin for kde?
[01:30] <JuJuBee> KDEusr : the root account is disabled
[01:30] <Dragnslcr> If you need root access, use sudo
[01:30] <TheCreationist> gnomefreak: Okay.
[01:30] <darkrift411> KDEusr, , my root pass is my main account pass oddly
[01:30] <gnomefreak> TheCreationist: what version are you booted to?
[01:30] <KDEusr> well, how can i 7.04
[01:31] <Dragnslcr> darkrift411- not unless you actually set it that way
[01:31] <KDEusr> i mean its 7.04
[01:31] <darkrift411> i created one account when i instaled it, and it used that password as root
[01:31] <KDEusr> well, i need to use drak tools
[01:31] <Dragnslcr> darkrift411- no it doesn't
[01:31] <KDEusr> does it not have anything drak?
[01:31] <TheCreationist> gnomefreak: It's .20-16, I believe.
[01:31] <Dragnslcr> sudo takes your user password, not the root password
[01:31] <gnomefreak> TheCreationist: that sounds right
[01:31] <darkrift411> i c
[01:31] <gnomefreak> TheCreationist: you still have -15?
[01:31] <TheCreationist> gnomefreak: Yes.  I've tried that one too, though.  Same issue.
[01:31] <gnomefreak> TheCreationist: thats odd, hmmmmm
[01:32] <TheCreationist> gnomefreak: Now, since I did an upgrade from Edgy, I still have the really old kernels installed, would those even work now?
[01:32] <gnomefreak> TheCreationist: known issue in -16 but -15 should be fine
[01:32] <gnomefreak> TheCreationist: you can try the last edgy kernel
[01:32] <KDEusr> see. im a pclinuxos user
[01:32] <TheCreationist> gnomefreak: Well, let me double check and try it again.
[01:32] <KDEusr> i've installed this on machine#3 hopeing to maybe change distros
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> gnomefreak: I had that issue with ALL 2.6.20's even other distros
[01:32] <KDEusr> but so far, im not likeing it. im lost inside KDE
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> same libata error
[01:33] <KDEusr> i need to install my videocard i guess.
[01:33] <KDEusr> im tryin to get beryl to work
[01:33] <gnomefreak> nosrednaekim: its known in -16 but that was first i heard about it when it landed
[01:33] <gnomefreak> KDEusr: #ubuntu-effects for beryl
[01:33] <Dragnslcr> KDEusr- you can't be an impatient person if you're going to use Beryl
[01:33] <KDEusr> i really like the adept updater
[01:34] <Dragnslcr> It's still somewhat buggy
[01:34] <Dragnslcr> Though it's being replaced in the near future (merging with Compiz)
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> gnomefreak: I just suspend all the time so it never bothers me
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> and BTW, i'm sorry for refering him to kubuntu-devel
[01:35] <TheCreationist> gnomefreak: Would it be worth restarting with -15?
[01:35] <TheCreationist> gnomefreak: I'm sure I've tried it before.
[01:35] <gnomefreak> TheCreationist: try it. there isnt much that can be done till tomorrow the kernel devs are gone for the day
[01:36] <gnomefreak> tomorrow == about 12 hours
[01:36] <TheCreationist> gnomefreak: Okay, I'll be right back, then... hopefully in 2 minutes or less ;)
[01:36] <gnomefreak> k ill be here for another minute or 3
[01:36] <KDEusr> beryl works great on this machine.
[01:37] <KDEusr> compiz turned into beryl. there will be no more compiz
[01:37] <stan> hey, does anyone know how to uninstall daemontools?
[01:37] <Kprofthreat> Lucky you. My Beryl didn't work. No window borders
[01:38] <KDEusr> Kprofthreat: i can show you how to fix that
[01:38] <gnomefreak> compiz and beryl were separate projects now merging into compcomm
[01:38] <stan> i mean everytime i rty to do this it gives some error and leaves it as it was...
[01:38] <Kprofthreat> That would be great
[01:38] <gnomefreak> KDEusr: join #ubuntu-effects to talk about beryl compiz and the alike
[01:38] <sweettooth> Kprofthreat, what graphics card have you got?
[01:38] <Kprofthreat> 7600 Nvidia
[01:38] <KDEusr> gnomefreak: i do not want to go to that channel. didnt you already suggest it once?
[01:38] <KDEusr> ya, i have a 7300 gs
[01:39] <sweettooth> and distro?
[01:39] <stan> anyone?
[01:39] <sweettooth> feisty?
[01:39] <KDEusr> kpro
[01:39] <gnomefreak> KDEusr: i suggest you join that channel to stay on beryl/compiz topic
[01:39] <darkrift411> what do i do to theme the kicker again? been a while since i did that last.
[01:39] <TheCreationist> gnomefreak: Hmm... weird.  That worked this time ;)
[01:39] <gnomefreak> TheCreationist: any luck?
[01:39] <KDEusr> Kprofthreat: join this channel and i'll help you get beryl to work correctly
[01:39] <Kprofthreat> K
[01:39] <KDEusr> #Kprofthreat
[01:40] <Kprofthreat> Oh, ok
[01:40] <gnomefreak> TheCreationist: thought so, -16 has an issue with hardware detection last i heard 15 was fine
[01:40] <TheCreationist> gnomefreak: Any idea when the new kernel comes out?
[01:41] <gnomefreak> TheCreationist: for feisty?
[01:41] <TheCreationist> gnomefreak: Yeah.
[01:41] <gnomefreak> TheCreationist: 2.6.20-* is the only kernel gonna be in feisty
[01:41] <TheCreationist> gnomefreak: I mean the bugfix release.
[01:41] <gnomefreak> they might release a -17 but not sure when
[01:41] <TheCreationist> ojk
[01:41] <evsophomore2009> hey umm how do i add Beryl to startup?
[01:42] <gnomefreak> TheCreationist: i havent asked yet but i added it to my to do list
[01:42] <TheCreationist> gnomefreak: So my next major issue with Feisty if you feel up to it: I have no sound anymore.
[01:42] <evsophomore2009> So when i turn my PC on it turnes on by itseld
[01:42] <gnomefreak> evsophomore2009: join #ubuntu-effects
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: whats your sound chipset?
[01:42] <gnomefreak> TheCreationist: lol ofcourse you would :(
[01:42] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: ICH5 (onboard intel)
[01:42] <TheCreationist> It detects my sound card just fine, everything is unmuted, no errors, but no sound.
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: system-settings->sound and audio->hardware->change the device type to Advance LInux Sound Architeture
[01:44] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: It already is.
[01:44] <TheCreationist> i think... one sec
[01:44] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: Yep, it is.
[01:45] <romudog> hiyaz
[01:45] <romudog> Can someone help me with a webcam
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: hmm...
[01:45] <romudog> Its not showing up on Kopete
[01:45] <romudog> nosrednaekim: Hey man :P
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> hey
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: how are you testing sound?
[01:47] <AaronCampbell> When I first installed Kubuntu Feisty, I had problems with my wireless network working, but my wired gigabit didn't.  I'm having the same problem again after a power outage 2 days ago...and I can't seem to figure out how I fixed it originally (with help from here)
[01:47] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: Amarok, and the web
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: test it in system settings, sound
[01:48] <TheCreationist> nosrednaekim: Okay... nothing.
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: have to go..
[01:48] <grul> does anyone know how to deselect all files in rtorrent? i have a torrent with like 200 files and i only want 10 of them :p
[01:49] <TheCreationist> grul: You can't right-click and choose deselect?
[01:49] <TheCreationist> grul: I know you can with KTorrent.
[01:49] <grul> it's a text based torrent client
[01:49] <grul> :)
[01:49] <TheCreationist> grul: oh lol
[01:50] <grul> so i can keep it in a screen
[01:50] <grul> heh
[01:50] <grul> oh, i got it, the * key
[01:50] <grul> :)
[01:51] <romudog> Can someone help me with a webcam that isnt showing up in Kopete?
[01:54] <kenro> Can someone help me figure out my mousewheel problem?
[01:55] <darkrift411> how do i change the look of the kicker again?
[01:55] <darkrift411> i cant even remember the terms to look for to find kicker skins
[01:55] <darkrift411> kenro, how about trying to set it as a 2 button instead of 3
[01:55] <MaTiAz> How to get rid of Katapult?
[01:56] <darkrift411> im no expert, but it could work :)
[01:56] <kenro> darkrift411, First... Let me varify. Where's that config file at?
[01:56] <darkrift411> like i said, im no expert.... couldnt help you there
[01:57] <darkrift411> but cant you use the gui?
[01:57] <grul> MaTiAz, try using add/remove programs in the start menu
[01:57] <darkrift411> id think in settings somewhere
[01:57] <darkrift411> or maybe in your xorg.conf file
[01:57] <kenro>  /etc/X11
[01:57] <darkrift411> i think that file has mouse settings in it
[01:57] <kenro> ?
[01:57] <darkrift411> back it up first
[01:57] <darkrift411> yeah, try there
[01:58] <darkrift411> and keep in mind..... im a n00b, so dont put too much into my idea
[02:00] <darkrift411> 	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
[02:00] <darkrift411> id change true to false in there
[02:00] <dranas> ok im trying my upgrade to fiesty
[02:00] <Flaff> is kubuntu simply kde version of ubuntu?
[02:01] <darkrift411> yes
[02:01] <darkrift411> from what i hear adding kde to ubuntu is a disaster
[02:01] <darkrift411> so they made one with it in already
[02:01] <Flaff> ohh
[02:01] <Flaff> so if i want kde, do kubuntu and not modify ubuntu :P
[02:02] <MaTiAz> yeah
[02:02] <kenro> Not so much 'disaster', I think, just those with little experience dealing with dependency hell thought it was.
[02:03] <darkrift411> q: every time i run a gui app from the konsole, i get this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[02:03] <darkrift411> with a bunch more lines.... anyone know what device 169 is?
[02:03] <kenro> Me, I cut my unix teeth on FreeBSD.
[02:03] <darkrift411> me too
[02:03] <darkrift411> thru putty
[02:03] <darkrift411> i ran a few irc networks and they all ran on freebsd
[02:03] <kenro> I'm saying raw. Native.
[02:04] <MaTiAz> Kubuntu is the only distro that has been working awesome on my setup :)
[02:04] <darkrift411> id played around very few times before when i was younger, but that was the most id done
[02:04] <darkrift411> i was at work last night
[02:04] <darkrift411> opened cmd from start menu and typed "ls"
[02:04] <darkrift411> and was dumbfounded when it said bad command for filename (lol)
[02:04] <kenro> about 15 months running my own BSD system.
[02:05] <MaTiAz> What are the biggest differences between Linux and BSD?
[02:05] <kenro> kernel
[02:05] <darkrift411> i havent seen many
[02:05] <Flaff> thanks guys, installing kubuntu for the first time now ^^
[02:06] <kenro> for the true differences, you'd hafta delve kernel internals. I haven't needed to do so.
[02:06] <MaTiAz> Ok
[02:07] <kenro> And after 9 years using computers, I still type the same slowwas way. :)
[02:09] <darkrift411> is there a way to get kde 4 on kubuntu?
[02:10] <kenro> Wait a few months, or go through a Masters' Degree comp sci program.
[02:10] <AaronCampbell> When I first installed Kubuntu Feisty, I had problems with my wireless network working, but my wired gigabit didn't.  I'm having the same problem again after a power outage 2 days ago...and I can't seem to figure out how I fixed it originally (with help from here)
[02:10] <AaronCampbell> I'm wondering if a recent update of some sort could have caused it, and it took effect after the restart?
[02:10] <kenro> kde4 is for coders.
[02:10] <Flaff> makes sense...im looking for the best alternative to windows xp/vista right now... and so far im impressed with (k)ubuntu... if i want to focus more on the internals, i would probably use another distro.
[02:11] <Bdonohue> Hey all. Any of you have any clue how to get Kubuntu to boot off of a flash drive? I've got it mostly figured out, think I got syslinux installed but no go
[02:12] <kenro> Flaff, eh... I've noticed I;m using internals so much less often in Linux than BSD. I see your point. )
[02:13] <darkrift411> nevermind....
[02:14] <kenro> And I think I'll just get a real mouse. That should solve my wheel problem.
[02:15] <AaronCampbell> I do see in my system log "eth0: no IPv6 routers present" ...might I need to change something wrt that?
[02:15] <kenro> But I still don't know about my bootlog inkage problem.
[02:15] <kenro> AaronCampbell,  Wireless networking?
[02:20] <jmb90> can anybody tell me how to set up kubuntu like this dude did in this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVIgOBVO5gA
[02:21] <jmb90> why hello thar?
[02:23] <spheard> anyone know a good netword animation applet
[02:24] <Flaff> jmb90, what part of the video?
[02:24] <jmb90> all of it
[02:24] <Flaff> is that the right link?
[02:24] <Flaff> it is a music video
[02:25] <Flaff> lol
[02:25] <jmb90> oops, try this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4gyJsY0mc
[02:25] <Flaff> ??
[02:25] <Flaff> another music video
[02:26] <Jucato> jmb90: stop spamming music videos
[02:26] <jmb90> nop
[02:26] <darkrift411> damnit im going nuts here!@
[02:26] <darkrift411> nobody here knows how to theme the kicker?
[02:27] <AaronCampbell> kenro: my wireless works...my wired does not
[02:27] <darkrift411> point me to a keyword or a url or something
[02:27] <darkrift411> lol
[02:27] <Jucato> darkrift411: what do you mean by "theme kicker"?
[02:27] <darkrift411> i want a more windows like "taskbar"
[02:28] <darkrift411> solid, 3d, black..... (vista look)
[02:28] <darkrift411> flat is giving me a headache
[02:28] <darkrift411> but i cant remember where to change it, or where to get new skins
[02:28] <jmb90> steve jobs pwns ubuntu
[02:28] <Jucato> you can put an image kicker background: right-click on the panel -> Configure Panel -> Appearance
[02:29] <Jucato> get skins probably at http://www.kde-look.org
[02:29] <kenro> AaronCampbell,  I trust you know about dhclient...
[02:29] <darkrift411> what would they be called on there?
[02:29] <darkrift411> ive searched, and cant find anything (ive found them before on my old laptop)
[02:29] <Jucato> can't really say. never tried searching
[02:30] <AaronCampbell> kenro: no
[02:30] <jmb90> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how+to+kill+a+jew&btnG=Google+Search might help
[02:31] <kenro> AaronCampbell,  Try dhclient -v
[02:31] <AaronCampbell> v 3.0.4 and it gives some usage
[02:32] <kenro> AaronCampbell,  Cool. sudo ifconfig
[02:32] <AaronCampbell> Now, I'm trying to set it up as a static IP (although dhcp isn't working either)
[02:32] <kenro> AaronCampbell,  No. sudo ifconfig
[02:33] <AaronCampbell> kenro: what do you want from ifconfig?
[02:33] <Bdonohue> Hey, anyone know anything about shoehorning Kubuntu onto a flash drive?
[02:33] <kenro> AaronCampbell,  Just see what it says.
[02:34] <compilerwriter> bdonohue My brother-in-law found a web site and did it.  Try googling for such a thing.  You will probably be able to find the same site he did.
[02:34] <Bdonohue> Lol, I've gotten as far as it booting.
[02:35] <Bdonohue> It boots and finds vmlinuz and initrd but then it stops
[02:35] <AaronCampbell> It says a lot.  addr: <IP_ADDRESS> (this is right) RX Packets: 40 TX packets: 0  RX Bytes: 4260 TX Bytes: 0
[02:35] <kenro> Bdonohue,  Flashdrive isn't finding the whole filesystem/
[02:35] <kenro> ?
[02:36] <Bdonohue> Hmm
[02:36] <Bdonohue> Because it's all on the flash drive.
[02:36] <kenro> AaronCampbell, OK. dhclient eth0
[02:36] <Bdonohue> And it boots to the live CD menu.
[02:36] <kenro> Bdonohue, OK
[02:36] <Bdonohue> Says loading, then leaves me on a blank screen with a flashing white curosr.
[02:36] <compilerwriter> Did you repartition the flash drive bdonohue.  It should have two partitions on it if memory serves correctly.
[02:36] <Bdonohue> It doesn't have to. One is just for saving data.
[02:37] <compilerwriter> bdonohue the one for saving data also saves much needed data that is created during boot up.  If it doesn
[02:37] <Bdonohue> Well where does the LiveCD save that data then?
[02:37] <AaronCampbell> kenro: wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801  Then listening...Sending... No DHCPOFFERS received
[02:37] <compilerwriter> have the partition it is looking for it could totally flop
[02:37] <compilerwriter> bdonohue the live cd creates a ram drive.
[02:38] <Bdonohue> Yeah, and this should too. I haven't changed anything else.
[02:38] <kenro> AaronCampbell,  ///you sure this is your default ethernet driver?
[02:38] <Bdonohue> All it is pretty much is using all the files that are on the disc and using syslinux instead of isolinux to get'er going.
[02:39] <Bdonohue> Thanks for at least attempting to help though too, I have to add compilerwriter... Ubuntu is useless, lmao.
[02:39] <Bdonohue> #Ubuntu*
[02:40] <compilerwriter> they tend to be a bit dilletantish over there bdonohue.  Don't take it personally.
[02:40] <AaronCampbell> kenro: eth0 has been my default, yes.  eth1 is disabled, as is the wireless.  I tried enabling and testing eth1...but I get the same problems....
[02:40] <AaronCampbell> wireless will connect, but it's so SLOW
[02:40] <kenro> AaronCampbell,  What's wmaster0?
[02:40] <AaronCampbell> no idea
[02:41] <AaronCampbell> I think it's part of the wireless, gets a similar icon in Network Settings
[02:41] <Bdonohue> dilletantish?
[02:41] <AaronCampbell> And when I enable wireless (wlan0), it enables...when I disable it, it disables
[02:42] <kenro> AaronCampbell,  In that case, sorry I couldn't help. Try resetting the drivers.
[02:42] <darkrift411> Jucato, if you get a botserv bot in here, you wont need to op up to kick someone, just use !kb name
[02:42] <darkrift411> if you are on access list and are identified you dont need to be op to use that command
[02:43] <Bdonohue> Jucato: If you are an op, why don't you just stay op?
[02:43] <Jucato> darkrift411: that's not how we do things in here
[02:43] <Jucato> Bdonohue: ^^^
[02:43] <darkrift411> heh
[02:43] <darkrift411> old ways for the sake of antichange
[02:43] <AaronCampbell> kenro: thanks, and I'm not sure how
[02:44] <darkrift411> its all over
[02:44] <evsophomore2009> everyone im lost and confused. and there isnt anyone on #ubuntu-effects
[02:44] <darkrift411> i am too evsophomore2009 , someone will eventually help you
[02:44] <darkrift411> just a matter of time in here :)
[02:45] <Jucato> there are people there. you just have to wait a bit. not everyone can be available at all times
[02:45] <Bdonohue> Oh.
[02:45] <Jucato> that's how IRC support works
[02:45] <Bdonohue> Anyone have any clue how I can get ahold of say Era or Boo?
[02:46] <Jucato> what are those?
[02:50] <kenro> AaronCampbell,  Whoa Nelly! Gutsy still includes modconf. You might try that.
[02:50] <jeroenvrp> how to manually install a deb-file with adept?
[02:52] <hagabaka> jeroenvrp: don't know with adept, but you can use dpkg -i. gdebi does it better by automatically satisfying dependencies
[02:53] <jeroenvrp> hagabaka: thats what I know, but I like to install it directly from firefox
[02:53] <Bdonohue> Just tried it on another machiine, still no go.
[02:53] <jeroenvrp> allthoug kpackage can do it, I want adept, so indeed it will solve the dependencies
[02:53] <hagabaka> you can register a file handler to gdebi
[02:54] <hagabaka> adept probably will not install a standalone deb file
[02:54] <jeroenvrp> oh well, kpackage will do also good
[02:54] <hagabaka> does kpackage install dependent packages?
[02:55] <jeroenvrp>  no
[02:55] <jeroenvrp> but the debs I installl normally dont need that
[02:55] <jeroenvrp> I have to go
[02:55] <jeroenvrp> cheers
[02:58] <kenro> oops
[03:02] <Small_Mac> help, kpdf doesn't have any printer in its list of print options, i only see print to fax, print to pdf, etc, i configured my printer and i can print from open office as default, thx
[03:03] <Jucato> can you print from other KDE apps? (open office isn't a kde app)
[03:04] <Small_Mac> o, like what, i'm kinda new with this, don't know what u mean by kde apps =)
[03:04] <BenPA> the only pdf program that works for me is ... xpdf
[03:05] <Small_Mac> hmm is that through apt-get as well
[03:06] <Jucato> Small_Mac: Kate for example
[03:06] <BenPA> yes
[03:06] <Small_Mac> k will check that
[03:06] <Small_Mac> Jucato no i can't =(
[03:07] <Jucato> Small_Mac: then it means you didn't set up printing properly for KDE. how did you set up the printer?
[03:08] <Small_Mac> Jucato: i went to start menu -> system -> HPLIP toolbox (printer toolbox) -> then automatic setup
[03:08] <Small_Mac> Jucato my printer is a hp deskjet 5150
[03:08] <Small_Mac> thx
[03:08] <Jucato> Small_Mac: try K Menu -> System Settings -> Printer
[03:09] <Bdonohue> This is hard.
[03:09] <Bdonohue> I can't believe how much I've learned though, haha.
[03:09] <Bdonohue> It's fun.
[03:14] <CS5> Hi all, I am EXTREME Kubuntu and linux noob who would appreciate the answers to a few questions if someone has the time...Please.
[03:14] <Bdonohue> I think for the time being, I'm going to return to my quest for changing colours :P
[03:14] <sharkface> can someone help me get my printer working? it is on a windows system that i am networked to. i installed samba and i downloaded the driver
[03:14] <Bdonohue> What printer?
[03:14] <sharkface> the printer shows up in the queue but nothing prints
[03:14] <sharkface> hp pcs 2175
[03:15] <sharkface> im pretty sure i need to fix something in CUPS but i cannot find anything sufficient on any forums
[03:15] <CS5> Do things function differently between the live dvd and the actual installed os? IE. Sound, Mounting hdd, etc.?
[03:15] <sharkface> im not sure where to go from here
[03:16] <CS5> 275 users and NO help?
[03:16] <CS5> lol
[03:16] <Dragnslcr> CS5- in theory, no. Some devices might work [better]  after installing drivers for them
[03:16] <CS5> ty
[03:17] <CS5> I am on live dvd and not getting any sound and am unable to mount my ntfs drive
[03:17] <CS5> any ideas?
[03:17] <CS5> drives*
[03:17] <CS5> sry
[03:17] <CS5> no remotes either
[03:17] <Dragnslcr> Check KMix to make sure all of the sound outputs are enabled
[03:17] <Dragnslcr> If you're using digital output, you also need to check alsamixer
[03:18] <CS5> all green
[03:18] <sharkface> does anyone know how to configure CUPS?
[03:19] <CS5> any thoughts on the mounting? this normal?
[03:19] <upstairs> When I try to boot up my computer, when trying to load to kdm (or there abouts) it locks up.   I had a cherry pit in my mouth and I'm on my bed and it fell out and I can't find it.
[03:22] <CS5> lol
[03:22] <Bdonohue> Found it.
[03:23] <CS5> anyone maybe have a suggestion on a channel that might be more helpful for a noob like me?
[03:23] <fabian> hi
[03:23] <CS5> hi
[03:23] <mneptok> CS5: how are you trying to mount them?
[03:23] <fabian> hay algun latinoamericano
[03:24] <mneptok> !es > fabian
[03:24] <fabian> si o no?
[03:24] <CS5> tried through konqueror
[03:24] <CS5> and
[03:24] <CS5> lol forget the name 1 moment
[03:24] <mneptok> !es | fabian
[03:24] <ubotu> fabian: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:25] <CS5> and through system menu
[03:25] <CS5> storage devices
[03:25] <CS5> mount
[03:25] <mneptok> CS5: what is your username in Ubuntu?
[03:25] <Bdonohue> !usb | Bdonohue
[03:25] <CS5> default
[03:25] <mneptok> ?
[03:26] <CS5> no session other than the original live session
[03:26] <mneptok> you chose the username "default?"
[03:26] <mneptok> oh, it's live
[03:26] <CS5> just has ubuntu :Default then other tty 1 tty2, etc.
[03:26] <CS5> yes
[03:27] <mneptok> sudo mkdir /media/ntfsdrive && sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/some/device/there /media/ntfsdrive
[03:28] <mneptok> you'll need to know the /dev entry of your ntfs drive
[03:28] <CS5> thats the hdc1
[03:28] <CS5> ?
[03:32] <kflex> help anyone?
[03:33] <mneptok> sudo mkdir /media/ntfsdrive && sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /media/ntfsdrive
[03:34] <CS5> in konsole i must be doing something wrong i get mkdir cannot create /media/ntfsdrive':file exists and error
[03:34] <CS5> mount: can't find /dev/hdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[03:34] <CS5> Please check that the device is plugged correctly.
[03:34] <CS5> when i mount
[03:34] <kflex> i mounted a usb floppy drive but i can't see where it is. help nyone, pleas?
[03:37] <kflex> i need help
[03:37] <mneptok> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /media/ntfsdrive
[03:37] <CS5> Could not mount device.
[03:37] <CS5> The reported error was:
[03:37] <CS5> mount: can't find /dev/hdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[03:37] <mneptok> kflex: df -h
[03:38] <kflex> mneptok: what is df -h?
[03:39] <mneptok> kflex: df = disk free
[03:39] <JSquat> Neither 'adept' nor 'aptitude' are able to install packages.
[03:39] <mneptok> -h = show in human readable numbers
[03:39] <JSquat> Any help? I
[03:39] <JSquat> 'll get specific error message now.
[03:40] <mneptok> CS5: are you *sure* it's hdc1?
[03:40] <CS5> yes it is mounted ty
[03:40] <CS5> do i have to do that with each everytime?
[03:41] <CS5> and if i instal can i do it once and never again?lol ty again
[03:41] <kflex> mneptok: thanks.
[03:42] <JSquat> "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[03:43] <JSquat> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/avaliable' near line 1: field name `' must be followed by colon
[03:44] <kflex> why i can't see the usb floppy drive? where can i browse it?
[03:44] <CS5> lol, now when i try to enter the mounted volume i get this error Could not enter folder /media/ntfsdrive.
[03:44] <mneptok> JSquat: dpkg --configure -a
[03:45] <JSquat> mneptok: same output
[03:45] <mneptok> CS5: sudo chmod 777 /media/ntfsdrive
[03:45] <JSquat> pkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1:
[03:45] <JSquat>  field name `' must be followed by colon
[03:47] <CS5> still no go  sudo chmod 777 /media/ntfsdrive
[03:48] <CS5> read-only filesystem
[03:48] <fnordperfect> Qt: 3.3.7
[03:48] <fnordperfect> KDE: 3.5.7
[03:48] <fnordperfect> kde-config: 1.0
[03:49] <fnordperfect> Random Fortune: Linux: the operating system with a CLUE... Command Line User Environment. 	-- seen in a posting in comp.software.testing
[03:49] <JSquat> problem arose after running either 'apt-get' or 'aptitude' to remove eclipse and another package. the tools were run because 'kdesu' (or whatever the tool is) much like 'sudo', fails to gain root privilages.
[03:50] <CS5> if I started fresh instal on clean partitions should i go all ext3 fs?
[03:50] <mneptok> yes
[03:50] <Kprofthreat> Hey. I'm having a problem with my sound. I had it earlier, now it's gone again. My sound IS on alsa, I checked alsamixer. Nothing's muted, I think. Any ideas, anyone?
[03:50] <JSquat> mneptok: any ideas?
[03:50] <CS5> and would i be able to store all my other files in this type of fs? like avis and stuff?
[03:51] <fnordperfect> (oh damn, did this stuff really got sent *into* the channel?? sorry guys.. )
[03:52] <darkrift411> hrmmmm
[03:52] <mneptok> JSquat: clean apt's cache?
[03:53] <Kpr> Hey. I'm having a problem with my sound. I had it earlier, now it's gone again. My sound IS on alsa, I checked alsamixer. Nothing's muted, I think. Any ideas, anyone?
[03:54] <JSquat> alright. nevermind. i think i fixed it. did a cat /var/lib/dpkg/available-old >/var/lib/dpkg/available
[03:55] <JSquat> mneptok: i fear using apt and other tools now. the last thing i need is a reinstall of anything on this machine and either aptitude or some other tool, broke the file.
[03:55] <JSquat> thanks for the help though. risked and fixed.
[03:56] <sharkface> can someone help me with my printer
[03:57] <Kpr> Sharkface, what's your printer model?
[03:58] <sharkface> hp pcs 2175
[03:58] <Kpr> !doesntwork | sharkface
[03:58] <ubotu> sharkface: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[03:58] <sharkface> well its on a windows computer im networked to.
[03:58] <sharkface> i installed samba
[03:58] <sharkface> and the printer will show up in the queue
[03:58] <sharkface> just nothing happens
[03:58] <sharkface> i think its an issue with cups or CIFS or something
[03:59] <sharkface> ived searched all over google and forums
[04:00] <Bdonohue> My uhm mother doesn't work.
[04:01] <Kpr> !dontyell bdonohue
[04:01] <Bdonohue> !dontyell | Bdonohue
[04:01] <Bdonohue> That one doesn't work ;)
[04:02] <sharkface> does anyone know what i can do to fix the problem?
[04:02] <Bdonohue> Hm, I'm not too up on the printers as mine just randomly worked.
[04:02] <sharkface> im pretty sure the issue is getting it to work over the network
[04:06] <dranas> hello ppls
[04:06] <dranas> i got a question
[04:07] <CS5> me too
[04:07] <dranas> i just upgraded to fiesty
[04:07] <CS5> me too
[04:07] <dranas> and like my wireless is being a whore
[04:07] <dranas> it sees the device
[04:07] <dranas> sees netowrks
[04:07] <dranas> but, doesnt wanna connect
[04:07] <CS5> right key?
[04:07] <dranas> yes
[04:08] <dranas> it says configureing device and stops ar 28%
[04:08] <hitmanWilly> dranas: nah, if it really was a whore, it'd connect to every network in sight :P
[04:08] <dranas> lmao
[04:08] <CS5> normally id say sometimes changing the channel its on helps if theres more than one network around but i am having a fu&* of a time myself
[04:08] <CS5> thats good willy
[04:09] <dranas> least i still got mp3 support
[04:09] <CS5> lol
[04:09] <dranas> and my printer works
[04:09] <CS5> im workin on it
[04:09] <os2mac> does anyone have an idea of when Thunderbird 2.0 will be available in the repositories?
[04:09] <dranas> i hate canon printers...
[04:09] <CS5> me too
[04:09] <dranas> but i got one for free
[04:09] <CS5> i hate microsoft more though
[04:09] <dranas> so i was like what the hell
[04:09] <dranas> yes
[04:09] <dranas> i hate windows, i like x box
[04:09] <CS5> id take it too
[04:09] <CS5> oh yeah
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> dranas: are you doing this through knetwork manager, or via cmd line?
[04:10] <dranas> knetwork
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> dranas, ok, lemme fire up my lappy and try to see if i can help
[04:11] <dranas> okies thanks
[04:13] <intelikey>         can anyone illuminate this for me ?    "ext2fs_check_if_mount: No such file or directory while determining whether /dev/root is mounted."  ???    (full startup text @ http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37562 )
[04:14] <dranas> BLARG DAMNIT
[04:14] <dranas> .....i just noticed this kernel isnt using my dual core porperly
[04:14] <dranas> .....
[04:14] <dranas> ....BLARG
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> dranas: what brand/model?
[04:15] <dranas> core 2 duo
[04:15] <dranas> its not using the generic kernel or something
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> dranas: from what i understand, those aren't completely supported yet
[04:16] <dranas> nuuuuu
[04:16] <dranas> sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic so this wouldnt work this time?
[04:16] <abaqueri> someone could help with amule?
[04:16] <abaqueri> gday
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> dranas: also, it could just be that the second core scales down when its not being used, im not to up on those...
[04:17] <dranas> well does fiesty use a generic core like edgy did?
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> dranas: yup
[04:17] <dranas> ok mine isnt using it
[04:17] <dranas> so that command should give me the other kernel correct?
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> wtf? yeah, it should
[04:18] <dranas> .....y do i think i need to fix grub
[04:19] <dranas> where would i find the menu.lst?
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> dranas: /boot/grub/
[04:19] <dranas> ty kindly
[04:20] <dranas> let me reboot i shall return shortly
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> dranas: k
[04:22] <Bdonohue> Animals in #ubuntu. ANIMALS.
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> lol
[04:23] <Bdonohue> Hey hitmanWilly: You don't have any experience with using a flash drive as the LiveCD medium do you?
[04:23] <Bdonohue> As in booting the liveCD from there?
[04:23] <dranas> whee
[04:23] <dranas> yes dual core power
[04:24] <os2mac> !thunderbird
[04:24] <ubotu> a FOSS email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox, both by the Mozilla Foundation.  To make your thunderbird links open in firefox see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[04:24] <dranas> im going to attempt to see if my wireless is working so i may end up getting kicked
[04:25] <Bdonohue> !firefox
[04:25] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> !info thunderbird
[04:25] <ubotu> Package thunderbird does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:25] <Bdonohue> It's mozilla-thunderbird
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> !info mozilla-thunderbird
[04:25] <ubotu> mozilla-thunderbird: Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0.7.04 (feisty), package size 10638 kB, installed size 29708 kB
[04:25] <Bdonohue> :)
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> i knew that :P
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> nope, still 1.5
[04:25] <Bdonohue> I can't believe the crap I learned today trying to get Feisty to boot from the liveCD.
[04:25] <dranas> ok
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> dranas: seems to be working :)
[04:26] <Bdonohue> Like I can't believe how well it doing something is to teaching you.
[04:26] <dranas> no
[04:26] <dranas> this is my wired
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> k
[04:26] <dranas> it stops at the activation stage
[04:26] <Bdonohue> Take out your disc.
[04:26] <Bdonohue> Take out any discs and reboot.
[04:27] <Bdonohue> That was my problem.
[04:27] <Bdonohue> If I booted the system with a disc inserted, my wireless wouldn't work.
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> dranas: what interface does it use, ie eth(x)
[04:27] <Bdonohue> If I removed the disc and restarted, it worked.
[04:27] <dranas> wlan0
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> Bdonohue: there's an interesting bug...
[04:27] <Bdonohue> And I know it sounds silly dranas, but try it.
[04:27] <Bdonohue> Unless you don't hvae any discs in.
[04:28] <dranas> ummm
[04:28] <dranas> what?
[04:28] <Bdonohue> Do you have a disc in the drive right now?
[04:28] <dranas> oh no i didnt use a live cd
[04:28] <Bdonohue> I mean do you have ANY disc in the drive?
[04:28] <dranas> i just upgraded from edgy to fiesty
[04:28] <dranas> yes a music cd
[04:28] <Bdonohue> Take it out.
[04:28] <dranas> ok
[04:28] <Bdonohue> And reboot.
[04:28] <Bdonohue> Then try.
[04:29] <hitmanWilly> dranas: ok, do you know the name (ESSID) of the network you are trying to connect to?
[04:29] <dranas> i just put it in though
[04:29] <dranas> yes
[04:29] <Bdonohue> Oh, okay. I thought you had it in when you booted.
[04:29] <Bdonohue> hitmanWilly: It definitely is, I'm using an Atheros card and HAL doesn't like it for some reason.
[04:30] <Bdonohue> hitmanWilly: ANY disc... A movie, music, Ubuntu, blank even.
[04:31] <NickPresta> Quick question - I have two on-board Ethernet ports. I am connected to the internet via one of them. When the computer boots up, both eth2 and eth3 are enabled although only one is in use. I have to manually go into System Settings and guess which is the "real" one. It changes randomly upon reboot and I don't know how to fix this. Any ideas on what to search for or where to start looking?
[04:31] <hitmanWilly> Bdonohue: did you file it via launchpad?
[04:31] <mneptok> NickPresta: /etc/network/interfaces
[04:31] <hitmanWilly> dranas: gimme a minute, reaquainting myself with cmd line wireless config :)
[04:32] <dranas> oki
[04:32] <Bdonohue> Nope.
[04:33] <dranas> do you think it could be a conflict between knetwork manager an the wireless lan assistant?
[04:33] <NickPresta> mneptok, this appears for both eth2 and eth3: "iface eth2/3 inet static". eth2/3 are not mentioned anywhere else.
[04:33] <Bdonohue> Hm... Dranas, have you installed network-manager?
[04:33] <Bdonohue> It has a KDE part to it as well.
[04:34] <Bdonohue> But it's the same base.
[04:34] <Bdonohue> The one with the roaming.
[04:34] <dranas> k network manager?
[04:34] <Bdonohue> Probably.
[04:34] <Bdonohue> I'm not sure, I'm back to Gnome again.
[04:34] <dranas> yeah it installed itself
[04:34] <Bdonohue> Okay.
[04:34] <darkrift411> lol
[04:34] <Bdonohue> What are you loling about?
[04:35] <dranas> i ike music, if it wasnt for music, id probably break this computer
[04:36] <banksey> Hey guys, I jus installed UnRAR from adept, But when I try and extract a file, It wont let me enter a password, Anyone know how to do this. Any help would be much approcated :)
[04:36] <BrianDonohue> There we go.
[04:36] <BrianDonohue> Better than BDonohue.
[04:37] <dranas> i wish i wouldve waited a few weeks to buy my dell
[04:37] <dwidmann> how lovely ...  plasterdust everywhere
[04:37] <BrianDonohue> WOOOSHHHHH, that's all it'll take to make a bigger mess.
[04:38] <dwidmann> BrianDonohue: oh, I get to continue on what I started tomorrow, so yeah, it'll be a bigger mess for sure
[04:39] <dwidmann> Pretty much the entire upstairs less my brothers bedroom is covered now, times like this that I wish I had a laptop ... then i wouldn't be in this room right now
[04:39] <BrianDonohue> That's why I bought mine.
[04:39] <dranas> on klaptop wtf does ondemand mean?
[04:39] <BrianDonohue> So far it's been the ideal linux laptop, other than the silly CD + Wireless bug.
[04:39] <BrianDonohue> Hm, not sure, dranas.
[04:40] <BrianDonohue> Guess I shouldn't answer.
[04:40] <dwidmann> course, the discouraging factor is that I have to get a wireless router to make this theory work :(
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> ok, i've forgotten all my wireless cmd line stuff...not good :(
[04:40] <dranas> oi
[04:40] <BrianDonohue> Lol, it's still fresh in my mind.
[04:40] <BrianDonohue> What's the problem again?
[04:40] <dranas> sudo ifconfig wla0 up doesnt work either
[04:40] <dranas> my wireless lan connection
[04:40] <dranas> it sees the deivce
[04:40] <dranas> it sees the netowkr
[04:40] <stdin> iwconfig for setting access point etc.
[04:40] <BrianDonohue> Uhm...
[04:41] <BrianDonohue> run this
[04:41] <BrianDonohue> sudo dhclient
[04:41] <dranas> but stops at 28% at the config stage
[04:41] <BrianDonohue> That always seems to associate for me.
[04:41] <BrianDonohue> It probably can't grab an IP.
[04:42] <intelikey> anyone?   "ext2fs_check_if_mount: No such file or directory while determining whether /dev/root is mounted."    (full startup text @ http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37562 )
[04:42] <BrianDonohue> anyone what?
[04:42] <dranas> didnt work
[04:42] <BrianDonohue> What the heck are you trying to do?
[04:42] <BrianDonohue> Not you, dranas.
[04:42] <BrianDonohue> Lol.
[04:42] <BrianDonohue> Hmm, that's a weird problem.
[04:42] <BrianDonohue> Are you using native drivers or ndiswrapper?
[04:42] <dranas> ndiswrapper
[04:42] <BrianDonohue> Oh.
[04:43] <BrianDonohue> Shitty deal.
[04:43] <BrianDonohue> I mean.
[04:43] <BrianDonohue> Uh oh.
[04:43] <dranas> should i just do a clean install of ndis?
[04:43] <stdin> intelikey: maybe it was trying to check /proc/mounts to see if /dev/root is mounted but /proc wasn't mounted yet?
[04:43] <BrianDonohue> Hm yeah...
[04:43] <BrianDonohue> Well, you know what you could try?
[04:43] <dranas> wat
[04:43] <BrianDonohue> It's proprietary but it works.
[04:43] <jhutchins> dranas: Try eliminating the GUI and do it all from console.
[04:43] <BrianDonohue> Driverloader.
[04:43] <dranas> ive tried
[04:43] <intelikey> stdin but what was doing it ?
[04:43] <dranas> drverload?
[04:43] <BrianDonohue> And if it works, then you know that ndiswrapper will work.
[04:43] <dranas> i tired cmd line
[04:43] <jhutchins> ndiswrapper broke for me on the last upgrade.
[04:43] <BrianDonohue> If it doesn't, then something else is messed.
[04:44] <BrianDonohue> Also, make sure you compile ndiswrapper from source.
[04:44] <dranas> wtf is driver loader?
[04:44] <jhutchins> I ended up with a new NIC (and a new distro).
[04:44] <BrianDonohue> It's by Lucent.
[04:44] <AutoMatriX> hi folks
[04:44] <dranas> lemme try fresh install of ndis
[04:44] <BrianDonohue> I had to use it a while back when I was too noob to figure out how to use the broadcom fwcutter crap.
[04:44] <stdin> intelikey: looks like maybe it's part of e2fsck
[04:44] <BrianDonohue> Dranas: Compile it from source.
[04:44] <dranas> maybe fiesty installed its messed upversion
[04:44] <dranas> i will
[04:44] <BrianDonohue> Uninstall the packages and use the source version.
[04:44] <BrianDonohue> Okay.
[04:44] <stdin> intelikey: as it's appears right before the fsck messages
[04:45] <jhutchins> dranas: some of the chipsets have two "firmware" files, a "driver loader" and the actual firmware.  Each one has to be loaded by ndiswrapper.  If ndiswrapper sticks at the first one, it won't work.  That's what happened to me.
[04:45] <intelikey> stdin why would e2fsck be ran from the initrd.img ?
[04:45] <dranas> ive had to do that like 3 times i remember it
[04:45] <intelikey> stdin err yes wait let me look at something.
[04:46] <jhutchins> ndiswrapper is a bit of a mess right now, last I looked the primary source for the firmware files was offline, and the new kernel stuff didn't want to work with the older firmware files.
[04:46] <BrianDonohue> dranas: http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/
[04:46] <BrianDonohue> That's a last ditch.
[04:46] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: i think its set up that way to do a quick eroor check prior to mounting +rw
[04:46] <BrianDonohue> They give you a 30 day trial, but if it works there it'll work in ndis.
[04:46] <dsmith_> Question: Does xmms play mp3s by default?
[04:46] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i set it up.
[04:46] <jhutchins> dsmith_: You need the w32codecs.
[04:47] <stdin> dsmith_: nothing plays mp3s by default
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: ok, nm :)
[04:47] <dranas> the hell
[04:47] <BrianDonohue> dsmith_: No you don't.
[04:47] <BrianDonohue> It works out of the box.
[04:47] <dranas> if i remove ndis 109 mbs will be freed up
[04:47] <dsmith_> the codecs are installed it says
[04:47] <jhutchins> stdin: mplayer will, there's another one that has it's own dmuxers independent of the codecs.
[04:47] <BrianDonohue> It should just play them. mplayer will and so will xmms
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> vlc i think...
[04:47] <stdin> jhutchins: yeah, I started thinking about it after i hit enter :p
[04:47] <BrianDonohue> That's what I used to do when I had the old Ubuntu's and wanted songs was just installed xmms.
[04:47] <jhutchins> dsmith_: 32 or 64b?
[04:48] <intelikey> as best i can tell modules.sh is throwing the message.
[04:48] <dsmith_> 32
[04:48] <BrianDonohue> dranas: Did you get that link in case?
[04:48] <dsmith_> I get this xmms message
[04:48] <jhutchins> !mpe | dsmith_
[04:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mpe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:48] <jhutchins> !mp3 | dsmith_
[04:48] <intelikey> let me add some debugginh and test it.
[04:48] <ubotu> dsmith_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:48] <BrianDonohue> What's the error, dsmith_?
[04:48] <marcus__> Hi. I have an interesting problem. Whenever I try to lauch some progs: beryl, sk, amarok, etc I have to us?ually launch them a second time to get them to start. Any idea why
[04:49] <intelikey> brb
[04:49] <BrianDonohue> marcus__ I had that problem too for a while, then it just magically disappeared.
[04:49] <BrianDonohue> It seems to me that a lot in Linux is magic.
[04:49] <jhutchins> marcus__: Is this an ubuntu install upgraded to kubuntu?
[04:49] <dranas> what if i unblack list the natyive drivers?
[04:49] <marcus__> jhutchins: no but i have ubuntu in a different partition.
[04:50] <jhutchins> marcus__: Teh kubntu knoez! It sensez teh evil!
[04:50] <marcus__> jhutchins: hehehe
[04:51] <marcus__> The other thing is that kubuntu when it installed bogarted both my swap partitions.
[04:51] <jhutchins> Swap should be universal in linux, most distros will use any swap they find automatically.
[04:51] <dsmith_> BrianDonohue: It says "Please check that: YOur soundcard is configured properly and that you have the correct output plugin selected. NO tother program is blocking the sondcard" I fiddled with some settings and its not playinng
[04:51] <marcus__> Okay, so that isnt unusual.
[04:52] <BrianDonohue> Hm.
[04:52] <BrianDonohue> Hold on.
[04:52] <BrianDonohue> I don't even have XMMS instaleld.
[04:52] <jhutchins> marcus__: Try starting the programs from a console, see what they do.
[04:52] <dsmith_> amarok wont start either for some strange reason
[04:52] <BrianDonohue> What version of ubuntu are you using anyway?
[04:52] <marcus__> jhutchins: okay sec
[04:52] <dsmith_> Fiesty
[04:53] <marcus__> jhutchins: came up fine in konsole. Hmmm stranger and stranger
[04:53] <BrianDonohue> I mean't marcus__
[04:53] <BrianDonohue> Haha\
[04:54] <marcus__> BrianDonohue: 7.04 on both
[04:54] <BrianDafk> Oh.
[04:54] <jhutchins> marcus__: Hrm.  menu problems are a b10tch.
[04:54] <BrianDafk> Uhm... Yeah, let jhutchins help, I've got a phone call.
[04:55] <marcus__> jhutchins: Wonder if I should just rebuild the menu?
[04:55] <jhutchins> Um, I'm actually just passing through...  I'll drop back in if I think of anything.
[04:55] <jhutchins> marcus__: couldn't hurt.
[04:55] <marcus__> jhutchins: Thanks.
[05:00] <michaelmcgee> can someone help me with a ndiswrapper problem for kubuntu x64 (modprobe issue)
[05:00] <intelikey> ok.   that error is from this command.   "/sbin/e2fsck -p /dev/root"
[05:00] <BrianD-AFK> What's wrong michaelmcgee?
[05:02] <intelikey> you were correct.  about the source.  now  what does "ext2fs_check_if_mount: No such file or directory while determining whether /dev/root is mounted."  mean ?   is it looking for ext2fs_check_if_mount  or is that a system call in the e2fsck command ?
[05:02] <intelikey> @ stdin
[05:02] <michaelmcgee> brian- i try to install netgear wg311v3 on kubuntu x64 with ndiswrapper and it works up to the point where it says hardware present but when i run the command modprobe ndiswrapper nothing happens(i mean that cant enter commands after it)
[05:02] <michaelmcgee> the next  blah blah#   line doesnt show up
[05:03] <intelikey> but cap ?
[05:03] <stdin> intelikey: i would say that it's the call that's failed
[05:04] <intelikey> you don't have a file by that name do you ?
[05:04] <intelikey> ext2fs_check_if_mount
[05:04] <stdin> nope
[05:05] <dsmith_> wtf sound is working now from shoutcast via streamtuner... damn Tux magic heh
[05:05] <stdin> intelikey: I still think that it was probably looking in /proc for 'mounts' and /proc wasn't mounted yet
[05:05] <intelikey> ok then... hmmm.   i'll try mounting /proc prior to that stage and see what it yelds
[05:05] <dsmith_> I did have citrix client open from work
[05:06] <intelikey> what's the command line for mounting proc ?
[05:06] <intelikey> mount none /proc -t proc  ?
[05:07] <michaelmcgee> can someone help me with a ndiswrapper problem in kubuntu x64 (modprobe issue)
[05:07] <stdin> intelikey: mount proc /proc -t proc
[05:07] <intelikey> yeah just tested  none works as well
[05:08] <Dr_willis> i recall that mounting proc stuff from the GENTOO install docs. :)
[05:08] <Dr_willis> and /dev
[05:08] <Dr_willis> right befor ya chrooted to the dir to root to  things   :) Old-skool!
[05:08] <intelikey> yeah mount /dev/null /proc -t proc   works too
[05:09] <dwidmann> Failing to remember that you could have always just added it to the fstab and ran mount -a of course. (yeah yeah, I tak the lazy way out sometimes ...)
[05:09] <intelikey> dwidmann not in a startup script that is about to fsck /  you don't want to mount -a
[05:10] <dwidmann> intelikey: hehe, yeah, probably not.
[05:10] <intelikey> back in a few.  testing now.
[05:12] <dranas> yay it works
[05:12] <dranas> i reinstalled ndsi and now its all good
[05:13] <michaelmcgee> i need help with ndiswrapper        modprobe
[05:14] <rathel> How would I make a script to backup a folder into an archive, and I run it every so often and it only Overwrites the changed files in the archive? Would tar cjf --backup=simple do the job?
[05:14] <intelikey> ok that cleared that up.   now the only anomily is in the initrd.img  and i don't know if i want to tackel that or not....
[05:14] <intelikey>  end result   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37563
[05:15] <intelikey> rathel no. that would overwrite the whole file
[05:15] <intelikey> rathel but tar does have an incrimental switch
[05:17] <rathel> intelikey: Okay.. I guess I could go that way, I was hoping you could just sync it like you can do with RAR.
[05:17] <intelikey> !info kitchensync
[05:17] <ubotu> kitchensync: Synchronization framework. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 823 kB, installed size 2468 kB
[05:21] <wolferine> so each time I edit a file with nano, not as sudo, i get 'Error reading /home/user/.nano_history: Permission denied', why is nano setup that way?
[05:23] <Dr_willis> wolferine,  just remove the file then?
[05:23] <wolferine> remove it?
[05:23] <stdin> wolferine: just chown it
[05:23] <wolferine> i can fix it
[05:23] <wolferine> im asking why its that way
[05:24] <stdin> wolferine: sudo chown $(whoami) ~/.nano_history
[05:24] <wolferine> good god
[05:24] <stdin> not sure why exactly
[05:24] <Dr_willis> I dont use nano.   file a bug report perhaps.
[05:25] <stdin> maybe if you run nano as root the 1st time it creates the file as root
[05:25] <Dr_willis> see who owns the file.  see if its a owner issue. or a permission issue.
[05:25] <wolferine> yeah
[05:25] <wolferine> could be that
[05:26] <stdin> permissions should be "-rw-------" (600) and owned by the user
[05:26] <wolferine> yeah
[05:26] <wolferine> it is
[05:26] <roni_> hey
[05:28] <intelikey> wolferine short answer to your Q, because you probably did something like sudo sh  and ran nano one time.   it's a permissions error
[05:28] <Slyron> yo
[05:29] <wolferine> yeah
[05:29] <wolferine> so what stdin said
[05:29] <wolferine> which makes sense
[05:30] <intelikey> wolferine so to avoid such  don't     sudo *sh    or   sudo su    but rather use   sudo -i  or  sudo su -    which will put you in full "root" environment including home dir.
[05:31] <wolferine> sudo -i?
[05:31] <wolferine> havent used that before
[05:31] <stdin> man sudo <- learn something new :)
[05:31] <wolferine> alwready on it :)
[05:32] <wolferine> you wraskely wabbit

[05:32] <wolferine> so sudo su - does cd ~ too?
[05:33] <intelikey> su -     is good.
[05:33] <wolferine> so sudo will cd ~ into /home/user?
[05:34] <wolferine> i mean sudo su
[05:34] <intelikey> test it
[05:34] <wolferine> i think I just might :P
[05:34] <wolferine> but your distracting me from bash scripting :P
[05:34] <intelikey> but just   sudo su  will not  do any 'cd'  and that's the major point.
[05:35] <fyrmedic> Is there a good way to use the live cd to recover and backup a windoze partition before I wipe it out with a clean install of kubuntu
[05:35] <intelikey> wolferine you bash'n ?
[05:35] <wolferine> learning
[05:36] <intelikey> fyrmedic depending on the type of backup you have in mind.   several options are at your disposal
[05:37] <intelikey> wolferine i'm sure you already knew about the  pwd  command too.
[05:38] <wolferine> of course
[05:38] <fyrmedic> intelikey; I want to mount the ntfs drive, backup documents and files that were created in XP to CD then install kubuntu instead of windows.
[05:39] <intelikey> fyrmedic that should be about a point and click manuvior
[05:39] <Sly_Ronin> hello?
[05:39] <intelikey> roni
[05:40] <Sly_Ronin> intelikey?
[05:40] <fyrmedic> intelikey; even using the live cd?
[05:40] <intelikey> fyrmedic errrr only one cd drive ?
[05:40] <fyrmedic> inelikey; yeah
[05:40] <intelikey> eeeek
[05:40] <fyrmedic> yeah
[05:40] <intelikey> well not so simple then.
[05:40] <Sly_Ronin> linux probs?
[05:41] <fyrmedic> intelikey: what about networking the backup? that should be even easier
[05:41] <intelikey> fyrmedic easiest way would be boot that other os and backup your stuffff
[05:42] <Sly_Ronin> do you guys know where I can find a solid listing of IRC channels?
[05:42] <Sly_Ronin> about any and all shit
[05:42] <intelikey> fyrmedic yeah network would be pretty easy
[05:42] <intelikey> Sly_Ronin /list   but i don't think you want that
[05:42] <fyrmedic> intelikey; that other os crashed. hence the backup before switching to the right os
[05:42] <OrgulloKmoore> how can I change the screen resolution? It seems like it should be easy, but I don't figure it out. Everything's tiny
[05:43] <stdin> !resolution
[05:43] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:43] <intelikey> fyrmedic yeah konqueror should make backing up on a network simple if you have an nfs place to put them
[05:44] <intelikey> stdin what would you sujest for the net backup from a live CD  ?
[05:45] <stdin> my preference is to use ssh, but that's mostly linux-to-linux
[05:45] <OrgulloKmoore> stdin> there is no fun GUI way to do it? (In Windows you right click the desktop and move the little slider over)
[05:45] <BrianDonohue> !fr
[05:45] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:45] <stdin> OrgulloKmoore: you never used fish:// ?
[05:45] <OrgulloKmoore> stdin> I have, but I don't know what that has to do with screen resolution...
[05:46] <intelikey> yeah rsync no doubt.
[05:46] <stdin> OrgulloKmoore: oh, the screen res :p
[05:46] <stdin> OrgulloKmoore: System Settings -> Display
[05:46] <fyrmedic> thanks guys I'll play with it for awhile.
[05:46] <OrgulloKmoore> stdin> that doesn't exist for me..there is no display option there
[05:47] <stdin> OrgulloKmoore: monitor & display ?
[05:48] <OrgulloKmoore> About me, regional and language, accessibility, default application, appearance, desktop, splash screen, window behavior, notifications, date and time, keyboard and mouse, sound system, printers, network settings, sharing, bluetooth
[05:49] <stdin> that dapper then?
[05:49] <intelikey> even dapper has a way to change rez in the kmenu
[05:49] <OrgulloKmoore> stdin> it used to be...but I recently updated in a very ghetto way and now everything's messed up
[05:50] <stdin> system settings changed a bit from dapper -> edgy -> feisty
[05:50] <OrgulloKmoore> upgraded*
[05:50] <intelikey> and the upgrade may have not brought in all the newer "stuff"
[05:50] <OrgulloKmoore> is there a way to reinstall the control center or whatever it's called?
[05:51] <OrgulloKmoore> or bring in more new stuff...
[05:51] <intelikey> you can reinstall any package that dpkg has installed
[05:51] <stdin> OrgulloKmoore: tye in kcontrol -> Peripherals -> Monitor & Display
[05:51] <Nuked> how do I get kde programs to show up properly in other wm's (themewise)
[05:51] <michaelmcgee> can anybody help me with kubuntu x64 ndiswrapper?
[05:52] <intelikey> but i would sujest remove and reinstall kubuntu-desktop  should pull in all the newities
[05:52] <OrgulloKmoore> stdin> nope, there is no "Monitor and Display"
[05:52] <Nuked> any Ideas?
[05:53] <intelikey> Nuked which other wm ?     not that i'll be able to help...
[05:53] <OrgulloKmoore> hmm...so nothing?
[05:53] <OrgulloKmoore> lol...we have more problems than solutions
[05:53] <Nuked> something like enlightenment dr 17 or fvwm-crystal
 but i would sujest... @ OrgulloKmoore
[05:54] <Nuked> pretty much all programs work
[05:54] <OrgulloKmoore> oh, ok, gotcha, intelikey
[05:54] <Nuked> qt apps just dont show up themed
[05:55] <OrgulloKmoore> yeah, that makes sense, cuz I installed and upgraded ubuntu-desktop last time
[05:55] <intelikey> Nuked hmm   idk.   i use blackbox some and never noticed anything odd about qt apps.
   (and goes off to fight dragons or something)
[06:00] <OrgulloKmoore> intelikey> that worked :)
[06:00] <OrgulloKmoore> now...how can I get more keyboard layouts?
[06:01] <OrgulloKmoore> before I had them, but now for some reason I only have American and British English available
[06:01] <OrgulloKmoore> (and I want Latin American Spanish and Quebec French)
[06:02] <intelikey> apt-cache search language-pack-kde | less
[06:04] <OrgulloKmoore> intelikey> those seem to be translations of the documentation and whatnot rather than the actual keyboard layout, no?
[06:05] <OrgulloKmoore> I want to be able to type jalapeno, pinata, and resume correctly, for example
[06:05] <Kprofthreat> Can I get someone's assistance? I'm having a sound issue with Kubuntu 7.04 Everything on ALSA, checked alsamixer, speakers ARE plugged in, don't ask, and I even tried compiling a new driver. I AM using an audigy soundcard. Any suggestions?
[06:05] <intelikey> OrgulloKmoore ummm i think they will pull in the others as deps     but not sure
[06:06] <OrgulloKmoore> mm...they don't
[06:06] <OrgulloKmoore> before I had a long list of layouts to choose from...
[06:06] <OrgulloKmoore> it's strange
[06:07] <intelikey> OrgulloKmoore not strange. just change.   locales   search locales
[06:08] <intelikey> !sound | Kprofthreat if it is worth anything there is a wiki page...
[06:08] <ubotu> Kprofthreat if it is worth anything there is a wiki page...: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:21] <rathel> How do I run nice without sudoing?
[06:22] <savetheWorld> run it only on procs you own.
[06:23] <rathel> So I have to sudo when running it with wine than?
[06:23] <stdin> why are you running wine with sudo then?
[06:24] <rathel> I'm not.
[06:24] <stdin> then you don't need sudo to set a new level for wine
[06:25] <rathel> Than I think I'm doing it wrong..
[06:25] <dranas> hey i got a question im trying to install xmame
[06:26] <dranas> after i do sudo make
[06:26] <dranas> then do sudo make install this is what i get
[06:26] <dranas> Installing binaries under /usr/local/bin...
[06:26] <dranas> /usr/bin/install -d -o root -g bin -m  755 /usr/local/bin
[06:26] <dranas> /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g bin -m  555 xmame.x11 /usr/local/bin
[06:26] <dranas> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `xmame.x11': No such file or directory
[06:26] <dranas> make: *** [doinstall]  Error 1
[06:26] <stdin> dranas: xmame is in the repos
[06:27] <dranas> when  i install it from the repo i cant seem to get it to open
[06:27] <rathel> I keep getting Permission denied, what am I doing wrong?
[06:34] <dranas> ok so how am i supposed to run xmame then?
[07:01] <rathel> nice -n -15 wxvlc comes back with "Permission Denied" what am I doing wrong?
[07:01] <intelikey> rathel too high nice value ?
[07:02] <intelikey> users can only go to -10  no ?
[07:02] <rathel> intelikey: I don't know, every other value I try I get the same result.
[07:03] <Rictoo_> how would I see how many files are in a folder
[07:03] <intelikey> errr and try vlc
[07:03] <Rictoo_> and how would I see the size of a folder? (all from shell)
[07:03] <intelikey> Rictoo_ ls | wc -l
[07:03] <intelikey> size  du
[07:04] <Rictoo_> thanks intelikey
[07:04] <rathel> What do you mean "and try vlc"?
[07:04] <intelikey> rathel in place of wxvlc
[07:04] <Rictoo_> intelikey: size du doesn't work
[07:04] <Rictoo_> :\
[07:04] <dranas> how do i use xmame?
[07:05] <Rictoo_> size: 'du': No such file
[07:05] <rathel> intelikey: aw same result.
[07:05] <Rictoo_> I want to check the size of a FOLDER
[07:05] <linuksoid> hi all
[07:05] <intelikey> for size use:  du
[07:10] <marcus__> !fonts
[07:10] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[07:18] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37566
[07:19] <intelikey> [ "some test" ]     <<< is  a ligitimate test   heh oh well....
[07:19] <intelikey> i would have thought it would fail
[07:20] <stdin> intelikey: I think that's the same as [ -n "some test" ]
[07:21] <DaSkreech> Is there a way to get notified in KDE if someone starts shutting down the machine ?
[07:21] <Ash-Fox> Gah, I need to get a bug tracker for my personal projects
[07:26] <intelikey> strike seven
[07:27] <intelikey> so anybody know how to read the RTC ?
[07:27] <intelikey> real time clock
[07:28] <DaSkreech> Ash-Fox: Install bugzilla
[07:28] <DaSkreech> Not that hard
[07:28] <stdin> intelikey: hwclock
[07:30] <intelikey> stdin is --utc and --localtime  the same thing ?
[07:30] <stdin> intelikey: no
[07:31] <intelikey> ah wait.  localtime is the utc  and utc is the local time    how convoluted can you get...
[07:31] <stdin> localtime will be + or - UTC
[07:31] <intelikey> nope.
[07:32] <intelikey> localtime is the utc
[07:33] <intelikey> but --utc (which i had be trying to get real utc 'the RTC actual time)  the converted local time.
[07:33] <stdin> UTC = Coordinated Universal Time
[07:33] <intelikey> not correct.
[07:33] <intelikey> i'll paste bin it
[07:33] <stdin> well, it's supposed to be
[07:34] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37567
[07:34] <intelikey> and i'm not in the utc time zone.
[07:35] <stdin> unless the system thinks that the clock is set to local time zone but is actually set to utc
[07:36] <intelikey> as you see the --localtime switch will display what ever the RTC actually says  and then  --utc is the localtime
[07:36] <stdin> yeah, that just makes tons of sense tho :p
[07:36] <intelikey> stdin :)
[07:37] <intelikey> well i did tzconfig and use the correct settings for my locale
[07:37] <intelikey> date  displays correctly
[07:38] <stdin> well just remember now, that up is down and left is right. and you'll be set :)
[07:38] <intelikey> right   lol
[07:38] <intelikey> i mean left
[07:38] <stdin> yep :)
[07:39] <intelikey> there was this file /etc/adjtime   did it have anything to do with that ?
[07:39] <intelikey> cause it kept messing up the RTC
[07:40] <stdin> don't know enough about it to say
[07:40] <stdin> but it could do
[07:40] <intelikey> i could have everything setup and syncronized   then run an update on the clock and it would set the RTC to unreasonable times...
[07:42] <FarrisG> Can anyone explain to me how to set it up so that I don't have to type my password to use knetworkmanager everytime I login?
[07:42] <intelikey> not even the same :mm   i mean unreasonable    like 4hours 33 minutes off  and just kept getting worse.   so i   ln -s /dev/null /etc/adjtime   and now the RTC stays set correctly
[07:43] <DaSkreech> FarrisG: Does it ask you to use KDEwallet?
[07:43] <intelikey> FarrisG you can edit /etc/sudoers   (use visudo)  and give your self NOPASSWD permission on that command.
[07:44] <DaSkreech> FarrisG: Wireless?
[07:44] <FarrisG> DaSkreech: It asked me about the wallet the first time, but not ever again.
[07:44] <FarrisG> intelikey: No thanks :)
[07:44] <stdin> intelikey: i think it uses kwallet to store the encryption key (wep/wpa*)
[07:44] <FarrisG> DaSkreech: Yes, wireless. And wep, not wpa
[07:44] <intelikey> a line something like this.    yourname ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/knetworkmanager*
[07:44] <DaSkreech> FarrisG: If you use a empty password for kwallet then it won't prompt you for the key again
[07:46] <intelikey> stdin not kdesu asking ?
[07:46] <intelikey> i missed that.
[07:46] <stdin> intelikey: no, kwallet, just checked
[07:47] <FarrisG> DaSkreech: Thanks, I'll do that for now. But is there anyway to just not use kwallet for it? I actually like to use kwallet for other things, and it's sort of useless without a password
[07:47] <DaSkreech> FarrisG: sure put in a password if you lilke
[07:48] <stdin> FarrisG: don't use knetworkmanager and it won't use kwallet
[07:48] <DaSkreech> FarrisG: it will ask you for the password everytime you jump on the wireless
[07:49] <stdin> FarrisG: you can put the settings in to the network part of system settings (if you don't use other access points much)
[07:49] <DaSkreech> Anyone uses Digikam?
[07:50] <intelikey> i use killall too much for it to not be installed,  what package provides it ?
[07:51] <intelikey> psmisc ?
[07:51] <DaSkreech> !find killall
[07:51] <ubotu> File killall found in kde4sdk, kdesdk-scripts, librapi2-tools, psmisc, util-vserver (and 2 others)
[07:51] <stdin> intelikey: probably sysvutils
[07:52] <DaSkreech> !info psmisc
[07:52] <ubotu> psmisc: Utilities that use the proc filesystem. In component main, is standard. Version 22.3-1build1 (feisty), package size 50 kB, installed size 456 kB
[07:52] <stdin> intelikey: opps, that's killall5, not killall
[07:52] <intelikey> procps ?
[07:53] <stdin> psmisc has killall, procps has pgrep and pkill
[07:53] <intelikey> k psmisc it is
[07:53] <intelikey> ty
[07:54] <stdin> procps has ps too
[07:54] <intelikey> hmmmm well i have ps  but not killall
[07:55] <intelikey> have kill and killall5
[07:55] <stdin> psmisc is what you want then
[07:56] <intelikey> yeah fuser and killall   that's it.
[07:56] <intelikey> pstree    :)
[07:58] <intelikey> hmmmm in dash there is no $UID
[07:58] <stdin> hmm, what's /usr/bin/oldfusr ?
[07:58] <intelikey> ?
[07:58] <intelikey> symlink ?
[07:58] <qiqi> teliarpok tammarnerk KDE?
[07:59] <stdin> there's /bin/fuser and /usr/bin/oldfuser in psmisc
[07:59] <intelikey> let me look in the dapper package
[08:01] <intelikey> well it sure is...    idk what that is
[08:02] <underdog5004> oh man, the more time I spend learning about linux, the more I love it!
[08:03] <intelikey> i didn't see anything in the change log about it either
[08:04] <intelikey> matthew  :)
[08:04] <underdog5004> yes?
[08:04] <intelikey> what's got you so excited ?
[08:05] <underdog5004> lol, rdiff-backup, ssh-login-with-keys, and scripting
[08:05] <underdog5004> I love it!
[08:05] <intelikey> oh all the normal stuff     yeah....
[08:05] <underdog5004> ooooh...there goes my noobie pride, he he he
[08:05] <intelikey> :)
[08:05] <intelikey> sorry
[08:05] <underdog5004> oh...and I'm surprised you remembered my name...haven't been on in a month or so...
[08:05] <underdog5004> lol
[08:06] <intelikey> well i should confess.    "bx"
[08:06] <underdog5004> bx
[08:06] <underdog5004> bx?
[08:07] <intelikey> -:- underdog5004<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu  your join/part messages are in the same window that you talk in.  in bx  "bitchx"
[08:07] <stdin> same in konversation
[08:07] <intelikey> i didn't have to remember.
[08:07] <underdog5004> huh
[08:07] <stdin> but I know your last name too ;)
[08:08] <intelikey> Matthew Wennerholm  <<< that one ?
[08:08] <underdog5004> yeah...
[08:08] <underdog5004> that one
[08:09] <underdog5004> bet you don't know my sisters name!
[08:09] <intelikey> you don't have a sister !
[08:09] <underdog5004> whoa...
[08:09] <underdog5004> actually, I have 3...
[08:09] <underdog5004> so...on to other things...
[08:09] <intelikey> oh well    i tried.
[08:10] <stdin> yes, you don't have 'a' sister, you have 3 :)
[08:10] <underdog5004> oooh, you're good..
[08:10] <stdin> hehe
[08:10] <underdog5004> so, what's up w/ you guys? Any new developments?
[08:10] <underdog5004> seems pretty slow tonight, huh?
[08:11] <intelikey> yeah.   just kicking around some code actueally
[08:11] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37568
[08:11] <intelikey> converted it to full posix compliance
[08:11] <underdog5004> *examines code with practiced eye*
[08:12] <underdog5004> is there a way to limit bandwidth with scp transfers?
[08:12] <rayman> i dont know
[08:12] <stdin> not with scp itself  afaik
[08:13] <intelikey> if you called that "do_nothing" for example: do_nothing 02 12
[08:13] <intelikey> operador: do_nothing 1 64
[08:13] <underdog5004> stdin, another method, perhaps?
[08:13] <intelikey> or:
[08:14] <stdin> underdog5004: there is software you can install to limit your banwidth usage, but it's not exactly a 5min job
[08:14] <intelikey> traffic shappers
[08:15] <underdog5004> yeah...I was hoping for some kind of flag...you know... scp... -u 200 -d 500, but oh well
[08:15] <stdin> (which is in the SVN version of konversation now )
[08:15] <underdog5004> that would be so nice...when I do big transfers from my server to desktop or vice versa, my desktop _really_ slows down
[08:16] <underdog5004> intelikey, call me ignorant, but what does that code do?
[08:16] <stdin> underdog5004: there is the simple file sharing applet for kde, that lets you limit bandwidth
[08:17] <underdog5004> oooh, that sounds promising
[08:17] <stdin> "public file server"
[08:17] <underdog5004> ftp?
[08:17] <underdog5004> or sftp?
[08:17] <stdin> it's just a simple http server
[08:17] <intelikey> oh timyurl  heh i moded that to a shell script for the command line  :)
[08:17] <stdin> lets you share a folder over http
[08:17] <underdog5004> stdin, gotcha
[08:17] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37569
[08:18] <ksivaji> hi stdin
[08:18] <underdog5004> *examines code with practiced eye*
[08:18] <[Al] chemist_ex> is it very easy to get compiz runnin on kubuntu feisty?
[08:19] <ksivaji> !compiz
[08:19] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:19] <underdog5004> [Al] chemist_ex, hmm, I don't know...beryl and compiz merging seems to say to me "just wait for the dust to settle"
[08:19] <stdin> intelikey: you should probably get rid of the other dcop part too :p
[08:19] <stdin> hey ksivaji
[08:19] <stdin> [Al] chemist_ex: it's easier to get beryl working
[08:19] <[Al] chemist_ex> yeah I figured.  Compiz Fusion looks pretty cool.
[08:20] <[Al] chemist_ex> I had it workin', but I hate gnome and beryl always crashed after awhile in kde.
[08:20] <stdin> intelikey: and the "PORT=$1 ; SERVER=$2 ; TARGET=$3" part
[08:20] <intelikey> stdin yeah  but it works as is.  http://tinyurl.com/yochmu
[08:20] <intelikey> that's proof ^
[08:20] <stdin> intelikey: http://tinyurl.com/2lmn3b
[08:20] <stdin> mine too ^ :)
[08:21] <intelikey> :)
[08:22] <stdin> I want to be able to put a message in there too tho, like "name: some message TinyURL"
[08:22] <stdin> still working on that part
[08:26] <underdog5004> anyone have any problems with kubuntu ?
[08:27] <intelikey> preceed the $(    like  "Title: $var $(curl...
[08:27] <stdin> yeah
[08:27] <stdin> it won't make me coffee
[08:27] <underdog5004> mine makes coffee, but no cream or sugar...
[08:27] <intelikey> underdog5004 yes. i have lots of problems with it.    too much automatic crap.
[08:27] <dale> Hello
[08:28] <underdog5004> intelikey, lemme guess, you're a gentoo man?
[08:28] <intelikey> underdog5004 no.
[08:28] <intelikey> stdin http://tinyurl.com/2q4jtq
[08:29] <underdog5004> oh, ok, what's you're linux of choice?
[08:29] <Daisuke_Ido> linux?
[08:29] <Daisuke_Ido> hah!
[08:29] <Daisuke_Ido> this is a plan 9 man
[08:29] <intelikey> :)
[08:29] <underdog5004> whoa...you're using plan 9?
[08:29] <intelikey> glenna ?
[08:29] <underdog5004> I read a bit about it...everything is a...filesystem?
[08:30] <underdog5004> right?
[08:30] <stdin> intelikey: it needs to work with dcop and has to be backward compatible too, as in, it has to work as "/tinyurl URL" and "/tinyurl URL name"
[08:30] <stdin> underdog5004: no, everthing is a file
[08:30] <intelikey> stdin doesn't need dcop for command line use
[08:31] <stdin> intelikey: no, but does need it to work (well) with konvi
[08:31] <underdog5004> isn't it the same in linux?
[08:31] <stdin> underdog5004: filesystem != file
[08:31] <underdog5004> no, I know
[08:31] <underdog5004> *sigh* now I sound ignorant/arrogant, not a good combo
[08:32] <intelikey> stdin yes     we are shooting different geese
[08:33] <stdin> intelikey: it's only because 1) it's what I use :) and 2) it's going to be in the next konvi release too
[08:33] <intelikey> oh my you have ran my timmer up to 142 minutes now.
[08:33] <stdin> underdog5004: btw :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system
[08:33] <intelikey> if i go over 170 minutes this week i'll remove the web browser
[08:33] <underdog5004> lol, I'm reading the article on Plan 9 now
[08:34] <stdin> Uptime: 4 days, 22 hours and 22 minutes
[08:34] <underdog5004> I know the difference between files and the filesystem.
[08:34] <intelikey> underdog5004 i dont actually use plan 9   i have before,  but not in a while.
[08:34] <stdin> (on a laptop)
[08:34] <underdog5004> seems hard to use at home, as it's a distributed OS...but if you've got a few computers at home...
[08:37] <intelikey> my web browser has ran 142 minutes in the last 4 days.
[08:38] <intelikey> but that's more than X
[08:38] <stdin> what browser you using?
[08:38] <intelikey> elinks
[08:39] <stdin> ooh, my favourite (non X) browser
[08:39] <intelikey> and i forget to close it...
[08:39] <intelikey> go off and chat and do other things while it stairs at a pastebin....
[08:39] <stdin> just make a cron job "killall elinks" to run every 5 mins :p
[08:40] <intelikey> and it would go off just as the page loads about half the time....
[08:40] <stdin> ok, 10 mins
[08:41] <intelikey> that still wouldn't keep it from killing it 10 seconds after i open it.
[08:41] <intelikey> a warper would be better than a cron job
[08:42] <stdin> or just Ctrl-Z before you switch to another term
[08:43] <intelikey> stdin maybe you know an easy way to do what i was testing earlier,   howto run something in the background or another tty and use it's exit code in the forground  while the script does other things ???
[08:44] <stdin> hmm, I've never needed to do that
[08:44] <stdin> and, therefore, have no clue
[08:44] <stdin> I don't even know if that's possible
[08:44] <intelikey> intelikey:    openvt { cmd1 && blah || blah2 ; } ;cmd2
[08:45] <intelikey> intelikey:    openvt { cmd1 && blah || blah2 ; } ;cmd2
[08:45] <intelikey> nick completion....
[08:45] <intelikey> like:
[08:45] <intelikey> but that syntax errors      i'm not sure why
[08:46] <stdin> should you have that ; before } ?
[08:46] <intelikey> i think it has to be there...  i'll test it a little and get back to you
[08:47] <intelikey> that or newline
[08:48] <stdin> it'll be difficult to get an exit code from an proc in another tty (not so sure about a bg'd proc), as it's ran in another shell
[08:52] <underdog5004> good night
[08:57] <Zero1328> I was thinking of installing Kubuntu along with XP after I format my hard drive in the near future, but now I'm not so sure on it.. could someone give me advice on what to do?
[08:58] <Zero1328> The main issue is that I have a fair number of PC games so I'd either have to have XP or Wine..
[08:59] <ksivaji> Zero1328 what is u r problem
[08:59] <ksivaji> you want dual boot
[08:59] <Zero1328> whether to change to a dual-boot Kubuntu/XP or just stick to XP..
[09:00] <intelikey> just stick to xp
[09:00] <ksivaji> Zero1328 that is upto you
[09:00] <intelikey> but read the EULA first
[09:00] <ksivaji> hi  epimeth
[09:00] <Zero1328> yeah, obviously it's up to me. I'm trying to get advice on what to pick
[09:00] <epimeth> hi ksivaji, intelikey
[09:00] <intelikey> epimeth shalom
[09:01] <ksivaji> Zero1328 i will suggest u to have dual boot
[09:01] <epimeth> shalom, shalom
[09:02] <intelikey> Zero1328 just stick to xp    but read the EULA first   all od it.
[09:02] <ksivaji> Zero1328 because if xp got failed means linux will help you ? right
[09:02] <intelikey> s/od/of/
[09:02] <ksivaji> intelikey is there anyone who read EULA ?
[09:03] <Zero1328> ok, neither of you are really helping much
[09:03] <intelikey> i did.  and quit using M$
[09:03] <intelikey> ksivaji figured if that's what it took for me to see the light.....
[09:04] <ksivaji> Zero1328 what else you need ?
[09:04] <se7en> somebody know how to get nv or even nvidia driver working on the new 8600m gt (acer aspire 5920)
[09:04] <ksivaji> intelikey i am poor in English  so use easy words ok
[09:04] <Zero1328> I'm just trying to figure out the better choice and you're saying opposing things
[09:05] <intelikey> ksivaji ok.
[09:05] <ksivaji> Zero1328 each one will have diff opinion right
[09:06] <ksivaji> Zero1328 i feel comfortable with dual boot that is why i told you
[09:08] <intelikey> se7en is the hardware supported ?
[09:08] <intelikey> !nv | se7en
[09:08] <ubotu> se7en: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:09] <grul> !ntfs
[09:09] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:09] <grul> !ntfs-3g
[09:09] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:09] <se7en> intelikey: i guess not because i can only use vesa driver
[09:10] <se7en> as soon as i change to nv i get a black screen
[09:10] <intelikey> se7en hmmm  well my nvidia card is not supported with propritary drivers  but it will work with the nv driver
[09:11] <se7en> its the santa rosa chipset so i guess i have to wait
[09:12] <intelikey> se7en make sure that a sane modeline is used   sometimes i have trubble switching from vesa to other drivers without configuring the xorg.conf correctly for the monitor
[09:13] <intelikey> not all monitors support the same things...  and it can cause 'oops's
[09:13] <intelikey> doesn't often.  but can.
[09:13] <se7en> ok i will try but i have done that a couple of times befor on other computers and it worked
[09:14] <intelikey> yeah it's just a thought.
[09:14] <intelikey> even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then
[09:15] <se7en> thanks anyway :)
[09:15] <intelikey> :)
[09:18] <dranas> ellos
[09:18] <intelikey>  0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9
[09:18] <dranas> hmmm?
[09:19] <dranas> anyone on?
[09:19] <intelikey> pretty quiet this hour.
[09:20] <dranas> hey
[09:20] <Zero1328> Well it's very early morning in the USA, if I assume the majority originate there
[09:20] <dranas> i got a question, maybe you can figure it out
[09:20] <intelikey> maybe
[09:21] <dranas> i installed xmame from the repos, but, how do i get it to work?
[09:21] <intelikey> man xmame    ?
[09:21] <dranas> yes xmame
[09:21] <intelikey> no, did you read the documentation     man xmame
[09:21] <dranas> where do i find it?
[09:22] <dranas> or better yet, does kxmame work?
[09:22] <intelikey> you type that commeand     man xmame
[09:22] <intelikey> command
[09:22] <intelikey> i've never messed with either of them.
[09:22] <dranas> ok what exactly is a front end
[09:22] <Zero1328> hey ksivaji, you dual boot, right? how are your partitions set out?
[09:22] <intelikey> but the man pages are always a good start
[09:23] <dranas> something like a gui for something right?
[09:23] <nullkuhl>  guys.. any one know how to install btsco for bluetooth headset conne ?
[09:23] <dranas> cause kxmame is a front end for xmame, but everytime i go to install it it makes me uninstall xmame
[09:23] <ksivaji> Zero1328 yes
[09:24] <ksivaji> Zero1328 i installed windwos first
[09:24] <intelikey> dranas a frontend would be an application that uses 'blah' as it's backend   that is to say   that app1 is started and calls app2 to do actual work and then displays the result in app1      app1 being a frontend and app2 being a backend
[09:24] <nullkuhl>  guys.. any one know how to install btsco for bluetooth headset conne ?
[09:24] <dranas> ok so kxmame would need xmame to work correct?
[09:24] <intelikey> yep
[09:25] <dranas> well everytime i go to install kxmame from the repos it makes me uninstall xmame
[09:25] <dranas> and vice versa
[09:25] <dranas> and im like ahhhh
[09:25] <intelikey> dranas then kxmame is not a frontend for xmame  and they then are conflicting packages
[09:26] <ksivaji> Zero1328 the i installed  kubuntu there is a option which will allow u to resize the existing ntfs or fat partition and create one ext3 partition ok
[09:26] <dranas> but it says its a front end for it
[09:26] <dranas> and it actually looks for it to run
[09:26] <intelikey> dranas then it's a broken package.   and you should file a bug on it
[09:26] <dranas> but which one is broken do you think?
[09:26] <dranas> both?
[09:27] <intelikey> dranas probably both
[09:27] <stdin> xmame-x isn't the backend, it the frontend
[09:27] <dranas> ummm
[09:27] <dranas> ok its the front end eh?
[09:28] <dranas> A KDE frontend for xmame/xmess emulator. Based on gxmame plus many new features:
[09:28] <dranas> thats what kxmame is
[09:28] <stdin> xmame-x and kxmame are both frontends
[09:28] <dranas> then.....blarg
[09:28] <stdin> xmame-sdl is the backend i think
[09:28] <dranas> oi
[09:29] <intelikey> if they both require removal of the other, and one is a frontend to the other; then i'd have to say both packages were broken.   (logic test)
[09:29] <stdin> xmame isn't a package, it's a progect name
[09:29] <stdin> it's just bad naming and descriptions
[09:29] <intelikey> stdin and that was without the -x  on xmame  if that even exists...   so don't call me on the information i had.
[09:30] <stdin> !info xmame
[09:30] <ubotu> Package xmame does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:30] <dranas> ok so, then....omg
[09:30] <intelikey> ah the nomanclature of GNU/linux
[09:30] <dranas> this is makin my  head hurt lol
[09:30] <stdin> !info xmame-x
[09:30] <ubotu> xmame-x: X binaries for the Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.106-1 (feisty), package size 10241 kB, installed size 37724 kB
[09:30] <stdin> !info xmame-sdl
[09:30] <ubotu> xmame-sdl: SDL binaries for the Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.106-1 (feisty), package size 10180 kB, installed size 37524 kB
[09:30] <dranas> ok so what exactly do i need to use mame
[09:31] <stdin> get kxmame for a kde GUI
[09:31] <intelikey> and you'll need some mames
[09:31] <intelikey> :)
[09:31] <dranas> lol
[09:31] <dranas> ok
[09:32] <dranas> ok i get kxmame
[09:32] <dranas> ok its gotten
[09:32] <stdin> or get xmess :)
[09:32] <dranas> BLAHHH
[09:32] <stdin> !info xmess-x
[09:32] <ubotu> xmess-x: X binaries for the Multi Emulator Super System. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.106-1 (feisty), package size 3936 kB, installed size 13776 kB
[09:32] <dranas> >.>
[09:32] <intelikey> !info xmame-svga
[09:32] <ubotu> xmame-svga: SVGALIB binaries for the Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.106-1 (feisty), package size 10183 kB, installed size 37536 kB
[09:33] <stdin> both are mostly the same, and kxmame works with both
[09:33] <intelikey> stdin i could use that in the console ^
[09:33] <dranas> ok should i uninstall xmame?
[09:33] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, sdl only works on X
[09:33] <dranas> ok ima delete xmame
[09:33] <intelikey> yeah but svga works in the console
[09:34] <stdin> dranas: just install kxmame, it will (un)install everything it needs
[09:34] <stdin> intelikey: exactly
[09:34] <stdin> intelikey: then find some good dos games to play :P
[09:34] <dranas> i got roms
[09:34] <dranas> from my old windows pc
[09:35] <intelikey> good dos games   isn't that an oximoron ?
[09:36] <Ayabara> anyone using kubuntu and a dual monitor setup?
[09:36] <stdin> it's like "stable windows applications"
[09:36] <dranas> ummmm do you know where it installed xmess?
[09:36] <intelikey> !dualhead
[09:36] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[09:36] <stdin> the sentence is just all wrong
[09:36] <nullkuhl> guys pls help am tryin to modprobe the bluetooth headset module but failing :
[09:36] <nullkuhl>  sudo modprobe snd-bt-sco
[09:36] <nullkuhl> Password:
[09:36] <nullkuhl> FATAL: Error inserting snd_bt_sco (/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/ubuntu/misc/snd-bt-sco.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[09:37] <intelikey> "fastest windows ever"     translation   M$ has pulled the biggest con job yet.
[09:38] <dranas> lmao
[09:38] <nullkuhl> HELLO
[09:38] <stdin> if no one answers, no one knows
[09:39] <stdin> nullkuhl: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[09:39] <intelikey> !bluetooth
[09:39] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[09:39] <intelikey> ah same
[09:39] <nullkuhl> stdin: my problem is not with bluetooth its with the headset bluetooth
[09:39] <nullkuhl> connecting
[09:40] <dranas> grr
[09:40] <dranas> grrrr
[09:40] <wiilloow> kkeebbordd nnoott  ddoi  whaat  it sshouldd
[09:40] <dranas> grar
[09:40] <dranas> close a window
[09:40] <dranas> lol
[09:40] <stdin> nullkuhl: the page has links for gettings audio to work with it
[09:40] <dranas> umm about roms
[09:40] <dranas> should i take them outta their zip files and put them in something else?
[09:40] <dranas> RAR
[09:40] <nullkuhl> i saw it , the page is empty
[09:40] <Ayabara> intelikey: was that for me? I have dual head working, but I have some problems with focus. When I move the mouse pointer over to the other monitor, I want to focus to move there as well. Also, when I exit some applications, the focus suddenly jumps to the other monitor...
[09:40] <wiilloow> help  wwith  keeyybboaardd
[09:40] <nullkuhl> i already know abt this guide u know
[09:41] <dranas> pour more water on it
[09:41] <dranas> should i convert my zipped from files to tar.bz?
[09:41] <intelikey> Ayabara ah that i wouldn't know about.
[09:42] <intelikey> sorry
[09:42] <stdin> dranas: why?
[09:42] <Ayabara> intelikey: too bad :-)
[09:42] <dranas> Kxmame could not create a device option for the selected rom "tmnt.zip" for the system "ABC 80".
[09:42] <dranas> This error is usually due to either this system doesn't need a rom (bios only mode), or the file is not a valid rom for this system, or it is in a format that kxmame or xmess doesn't understand.
[09:42] <dranas> How would you like
[09:42] <intelikey> but if you want to script it....
[09:42] <intelikey> :)
[09:42] <wiilloow> aannyy  onnee  geettinngg  tthesee  mmeessssaageess??
[09:42] <dranas> yes
[09:42] <dranas> how many windows do you got open?
[09:43] <dranas> i had that happen to me before
[09:43] <wiilloow> hhooww  ddoo  ii  ffiixx  tthhe  kkeeyyss!1
[09:43] <dranas> it was typing in two windows at once
[09:43] <dranas> close all your windows, or reboot
[09:43] <dranas> that should fix it i think
[09:43] <stdin> dranas: try extracting the zip file
[09:43] <intelikey> wiilloow i've heard of mouse trails  but keyboard trailessssssss
[09:43] <dranas> then i get a bunch of files, is that a good thing?
[09:44] <stdin> dranas: I don't know, never ran xmame
[09:44] <wiilloow> ttry  itt  itss  a  paainn
[09:44] <intelikey> i can imagine.
[09:44] <dranas> im using xmess
[09:44] <dranas> i think
[09:44] <Zero1328> hm, I think the last concern I have with installing kubuntu would be drivers, but I haven't looked for documentation on that yet
[09:44] <intelikey> can you drop to a console and see if it's at the kernel level or the xorg level wiilloow
[09:44] <dranas> tttrrrrryyyyyy rrrreeeboooottttiiinnnnnngggg
[09:45] <wiilloow> i tried  tthe  key  bboaard setings  to  ssttopp  the  keey  deelaay  thatt  ssett  up  noww  i've  ggot this  prroblem!1
[09:45] <stdin> dranas: xmess/xmame same thing
[09:45] <dranas> ok
[09:45] <dranas> hmmm
[09:45] <intelikey> ok that answered me Q.
[09:46] <intelikey> so it's kde.   you can kill x  and clean out ~/.kde
[09:46] <intelikey> crude but affective
[09:46] <Jucato> do you mind telling him the side effects of deleting ~/.kde
[09:46] <wiilloow> got it Whaahoo!
[09:46] <dranas> your computer melts
[09:47] <intelikey> i didn't say delete ~/.kde   i said clean it out/up.
[09:47] <dranas> ok mme 32 dont work either
[09:47] <dranas> how nice
[09:47] <Jucato> that could be interpreted as deleting as well
[09:47] <dranas> mame
[09:47] <dranas> no delete is delete
[09:48] <dranas> clean out is like putting things back to defaults i think
[09:48] <intelikey> Jucato yeah. either way it'll fix his keyboard
[09:48] <stdin> deleting ~/.kde makes Matthias Ettrich shed a single tear
[09:48] <dranas> lmao
[09:48] <dranas> eh
[09:49] <dranas> go play in a freeway
[09:49] <intelikey> and who is rms ?
[09:49] <stdin> intelikey: "KDE was founded in 1996 by Matthias Ettrich, who was then a student at the Eberhard Karls University of Tbingen."
[09:49] <dranas> mmhmmm
[09:49] <dranas> go him
[09:49] <dranas> im asuming its a him
[09:49] <dranas> with my luck today its a chick
[09:50] <stdin> geek + founder of KDE = guy
[09:50] <dranas> y, cant i ever get these damned mame emulators to work
[09:50] <dranas> lmao
[09:50] <dranas> BLARG
[09:50] <intelikey> stdin abso-poso-lutely
[09:51] <stdin> besides, if he was a woman, konqi would be pink not green
[09:51] <intelikey> :)
[09:51] <dranas> i unno maybe she likes the color of money
[09:52] <Jucato> (Katie, Konqi's girlfriend, is green, too)
[09:52] <intelikey> yeah and RMS who dranas
[09:52] <dranas> ooo
[09:53] <dranas> i cant get no satisfaction
[09:54] <intelikey> members of the green dragon club ?
[09:54] <dranas> waaa i hate this
[09:54] <dranas> i cant even get quake to work
[09:54] <dranas> blarg
[09:54] <dranas> lucky i got a ps2 for games
[09:54] <dranas> ...my wife is playing in the litter box....
[09:54] <dranas> wtf is wrong in my life?
[09:54] <intelikey> lol
[09:55] <basse> dranas: sounds pretty bad yes
[09:55] <dranas> omg
[09:56] <dranas> now she wants me to smell the box
[09:56] <dranas> atleast my wireless works
[09:56] <dranas> and my system didnt melt when i upgraded to fiesty
[09:56] <dranas> hmmm
[09:57] <intelikey> lol
[09:58] <darkrift411> how do i make it so win+e opens a file explorer
[09:58] <darkrift411> anyone know?
[09:58] <Jucato> .
[09:58] <dranas> winefile?
[09:58] <darkrift411> sry to sound soo demanding the way i asked
[09:58] <darkrift411> no
[09:58] <darkrift411> konqerer
[09:58] <darkrift411> or whatever it is
[09:58] <darkrift411> i wish i had a better file explorer though
[09:58] <darkrift411> more like windows explorer
[09:58] <dranas> so what do you want?
[09:58] <Jucato> yes you have. it's called "Konqueror" :)
[09:58] <dranas> wine to open a file explorer?
[09:58] <darkrift411> no
[09:59] <intelikey> darkrift411 ?
[09:59] <Jucato> dranas: win+e = Win key + the letter E
[09:59] <darkrift411> i want to know how to make win+e open konqueror
[09:59] <darkrift411> yes
[09:59] <darkrift411> ty
[09:59] <basse> darkrift411: just make shortcut in menueditor
[09:59] <darkrift411> slightly intoxicated, couldnt think how to say it
[09:59] <dranas> magic
[09:59] <darkrift411> how do i do that basse ?
[10:00] <basse> darkrift411: for exameple, right click on K-menu button and open menueditor
[10:00] <intelikey> darkrift411 khotkeys
[10:00] <dranas> first you rols a d20 and summon a level 5 ice dragon
[10:00] <darkrift411> lol
[10:00] <basse> darkrift411: there find file browser thingy, edit it and add shortcut.
[10:00] <Jucato> dranas: please stop talking nonsense. thanks
[10:01] <dranas> geeze no sense of humor
[10:01] <darkrift411> wow
[10:01] <darkrift411> you guys rock
[10:01] <darkrift411> i love it in here :)
[10:01] <darkrift411> imma be an expert in no time :)
[10:01] <Jucato> humor has it proper place and proper time
[10:01] <stdin> careful Jucato is ALL MIGHTY in here
[10:01] <intelikey> we were afraid of that....   now he'll never leave  :)
[10:01] <Jucato> intelikey: oh I can make him leave
[10:01] <darkrift411> hey, he is helpful
[10:02] <dranas> konqi could be the ice dragon
[10:02] <intelikey> dranas wrong colour
[10:02] <Jucato> darkrift411: you might notice, though, that Win+E will run Konqueror as a web browser if you did it that way
[10:03] <darkrift411> yes
[10:03] <Jucato> green... snot dragon? :)
[10:03] <dranas> lol
[10:03] <darkrift411> lol
[10:03] <darkrift411> see, he does have a sense of humor
[10:03] <Jucato> :P
[10:03] <illriginal> Does anyone know a good website with different penguin/tux logos?
[10:03] <dranas> ^_^
[10:03] <intelikey> pond scum dragon ?
[10:03] <basse> illriginal: what kind you need?
[10:03] <intelikey> money dragon ?
[10:03] <darkrift411> also.... is there a google plugin for kapote?
[10:03] <Jucato> illriginal: http://tux.crystalxp.net/
[10:03] <Jucato> eat your heart out :)
[10:03] <darkrift411> kopete
[10:03] <darkrift411> or whatever it is
[10:03] <darkrift411> lol
[10:04] <intelikey> what are green dragons supposed to be anyway ?
[10:04] <Jucato> darkrift411: Google Plugin?
[10:04] <Jucato> darkrift411: you mean Google Talk on Kopete?
[10:04] <dranas> hey wheres a good place to get games?
[10:04] <darkrift411> yes
[10:04] <Jucato> !games | dranas
[10:04] <ubotu> dranas: Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[10:04] <Jucato> darkrift411: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support
[10:04] <darkrift411> nice
[10:05] <illriginal> thank you Jucato!!! :P
[10:05] <Jucato> my fingers just hurt from all that typing and Ctrl+Tabbing... :P
[10:05] <basse> dranas: www.happypenguin.org
[10:05] <ksivaji> hi jucato
[10:05] <Jucato> hi ksivaji
[10:05] <dranas> those work for kubuntu also right?
[10:05] <Jucato> dranas: yep. Kubuntu and Ubuntu have the same repositories
[10:05] <Jucato> Emacs Tetris ftw!
[10:05] <intelikey> dranas kubuntu and ubuntu are the same distro.
[10:05] <dranas> ooo worms
[10:06] <dranas> well arent there like slight differnece in how itll be displayed cause of the differnece in kde and gnome?
[10:06] <dranas> or was that just a suse flaw?
[10:06] <Jucato> depends really...
[10:06] <intelikey> qt -vs- gtk   wars....
[10:06] <|Dylan|> hey, all.  is anyone here fairly knowledgeable about managing fonts, for example deleting around 3,000 or restoring to factory defaults?
[10:07] <dranas> o
[10:07] <intelikey> get all your wareZ at <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:07] <Jucato> dranas: if the game is a GNOME/GTK or KDE/Qt app, there might be some inconsistencies in how windows and buttons are displayed. other than that, not really much of a diff...
[10:07] <|Dylan|> intelikey: lol!
[10:07] <intelikey> Jucato i'm just reclaiming the throne
[10:07] <dranas> oo ok
[10:07] <Jucato> |Dylan|: System Settings -> Appearance -> Fonts?
[10:08] <|Dylan|> Jucato: theyre on the root account, so i cant differentiate from the system fonts
[10:08] <Jucato> oh... hm...
[10:08] <|Dylan|> |Dylan|: i dont know enough about the linux font system or kde font system to know how to regen indexes etc
[10:08] <|Dylan|> rofl i just talked to myself.
[10:08] <Jucato> I think that fonts installed by root are automatically system fonts
[10:08] <|Dylan|> Jucato: i can locate the ~3k fonts with some creative grepping, etc
[10:09] <intelikey> i abdicate !
[10:09] <stdin> |Dylan|: intelikey already did that twice today, ans dranas does it all the time :p
[10:09] <Jucato> Jucato: does what?
[10:09] <Jucato> (just following the trend)
[10:09] <|Dylan|> mhmm ^.^
[10:09] <stdin> stdin: talks to them selfs
[10:09] <intelikey> oh wait i did didn't i,
[10:10] <intelikey> heh nick completion of like: example...
[10:10] <Jucato> [14:43]  <intelikey> intelikey:    openvt { cmd1 && blah || blah2 ; } ;cmd2
[10:10] <intelikey> yep
[10:10] <|Dylan|> anyway, can anyone walk me through the process of adding/removing fonts in console (bash)?  or how to restore all system fonts in kubuntu?
[10:11] <|Dylan|> i just dont want to be left with no fonts on my system and some terrible deed resulting....  i have data and apps i want to save!
[10:11] <basse> |Dylan|: i think you can just copy fonts into your ~/.fonts  directory. and they will appear automaticly
[10:11] <Jucato> how did you add the fonts? try to backtrack
[10:12] <|Dylan|> i added the fonts a month or two ago with the kde font installer
[10:12] <basse> |Dylan|: does it ask for root passwd?
[10:12] <|Dylan|> mhmm, i installed it as root....  thats the problem :-/
[10:12] <intelikey> sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install $(dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3 | grep font)
[10:13] <Jucato> you and your crazy bash...
[10:13] <|Dylan|> whoa there...
[10:13] <basse> |Dylan|: what exactly is the problem with fonts currently?
[10:13] <intelikey> crazy bash  <*tilts head sideways*>
[10:13] <Jucato> there's 3000 of them
[10:13] <|Dylan|> i know almost all the basic commands and such youre using there intelikey, ive done some bash scripting myself, but i still dont follow you
[10:13] <|Dylan|> basse:
[10:14] <|Dylan|> i would love to have all 6500 fonts from a certain website on my comp, but OO.org and firefox dont like that
[10:14] <basse> sheeeeesh
[10:14] <basse> that's quite a lot of fonts
[10:14] <stdin> |Dylan|: that will reinstall all the packages that are fonts that you already have installed
[10:14] <|Dylan|> lol yeah
[10:14] <basse> |Dylan|: you can basicly put those in your ~/.fonts/  dir
[10:15] <intelikey> |Dylan| that should reinstall all the font packages that dpkg installed.  thus overwriting and restoring
[10:15] <|Dylan|> they cant handle that many fonts, so not only can i not switch to many of the fonts, they mistake fonts for others--like times new roman.
[10:15] <grul> !wine
[10:15] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:15] <|Dylan|> overwriting the fonts i installed on my own?
[10:15] <dranas> oh hey i got a quick question, once i upgraded to fiesty, my trash can vanished
[10:15] <dranas> and i need to find it so i can empty it
[10:16] <|Dylan|> dranas: lol.  vanished from where?
[10:16] <dranas> down by my cocl
[10:16] <dranas> clock
[10:16] <dranas> or the desktop
[10:16] <intelikey> the ones that are in the packages of fonts installed    just run the part within  $() to see a list of what will be installed
[10:16] <|Dylan|> right click on the kicker and add the applet again
[10:16] <stdin> dranas: just navigate to trash:/ in konqueror
[10:17] <intelikey> reinstalled.    and one could  use that for a list and remove all fonts then install with that list also.
[10:17] <stdin> dranas: you can even put a link to that url on the desktop/kicker (by the clock)
[10:17] <|Dylan|> so should i start off by removing all of my 3000 fonts (incl. system fonts) in console?
[10:17] <dranas> ok i found it i hadf to add an applet
[10:17] <basse> |Dylan|: i dont think you want to remove all system fonts
[10:17] <dranas> ty guys
[10:17] <dranas> or gals
[10:17] <dranas> or both
[10:17] <|Dylan|> id love to keep all the system fonts and only delete the 3000 "new" ones, that would be fine with me
[10:18] <basse> |Dylan|: can't the application you used to install them uninstall them too?
[10:18] <|Dylan|> basse: nope, i used the kde font installer and the kde font manager cant list things by *date*
[10:18] <|Dylan|> basse: if it could id probably be set :-/
[10:18] <intelikey> so rm the fonts manually with something like  rm /usr/share/fonts -R     and run that reinstall command.      just an example.
[10:18] <basse> |Dylan|: uuh.. well did you check the font dir?  /usr/share/fonts/truetype
[10:18] <Jucato> |Dylan|: actually, it can
 basse: nope, i used the kde font installer and the kde font manager cant list things by *date*
[10:19] <|Dylan|> i wasnt able to sort by date or list by date
[10:19] <|Dylan|> ill check a few things again
[10:19] <Jucato> |Dylan|: right-click in the list and select Sorting -> By Date
[10:19] <|Dylan|> if i were to delete a font in console, what would i have to do to update the system indexes of fonts, etc?  what command might i run?
[10:19] <dranas> hey is cedega worth it?
[10:19] <stdin> |Dylan|: right click -> sorting -> by date
[10:20] <intelikey> dranas to get to play a game.  of course not.
[10:20] <dranas> seriously?
[10:20] <|Dylan|> dranas: id say no, i have it and dont use it much, doesnt work with many new games.  i like the prospect of cedega, but i dont know that its ready, and its quite closed source.
[10:20] <intelikey> dranas well yeah.  but that's just openion.
[10:20] <dranas> o, i use it for my dvd decrypting software, not cedege but wine
[10:20] <|Dylan|> dranas: then again, its $5 a month.
[10:21] <intelikey> oh didn't happen.
[10:21] <dranas> 5 bucks a month....ick
[10:22] <dranas> BLAH
[10:22] <grul> speaking of fonts, is there any way to use other fonts than the ones in the list for konsole? i've installed a font that i like and it works in openoffice etc, but konsole only shows about 5 fonts
[10:22] <|Dylan|> stdin: rofl....  the problem was that i didnt see any changes when sorting by date, since the fonts were added alphabetically--only the last hundred or so entries had changed.  im a doofus, thankyouverymuch ^.^
[10:22] <grul> it's even a fixed width font...
[10:23] <intelikey> konsole only shows 5 ?
[10:23] <grul> well, 8
[10:23] <stdin> |Dylan|: umm, you should probably thank Jucato too, before he feels ignored
[10:23] <Jucato> O.o
[10:23] <intelikey> last time i looked it was like 35
[10:23] <|Dylan|> thank you EVERYONE
[10:23] <|Dylan|> :)
[10:23] <grul> in settings -> font -> select
[10:23] <dranas> how about cross over compared to wine?
[10:23] <basse> |Dylan|: where do you need that many fonts anyway? sounds like uncontrollable mess that will explode and font dialog
[10:24] <darkrift411> damn
[10:24] <dranas> oo i installed a game, maybe, just maybe the magical linux penguins will grant me a wish
[10:24] <Jucato> grul: I think terminals are really just supposed to use fixed-width types
[10:24] <darkrift411> no luck finding a better file manager :(
[10:24] <darkrift411> most seems to be pretty crappy
[10:24] <|Dylan|> basse: it was a bad idea, yes.  i didnt have a very good idea of just how ridiculous that number was, but i also wanted a more straightforward gallery of fonts for gimp than the website provided
[10:24] <grul> Jucato, yeah i know, but the font i installed (monaco) is a fixed width font...
[10:24] <grul> so is there any way i can tell konsole that this font is ok? :p
[10:24] <|Dylan|> "Do you really want to delete these 3759 fonts?"
[10:25] <basse> :)
[10:25] <|Dylan|> this could take a while.  :-P
[10:25] <intelikey> grul i havent played with konsole  but rxvt/xterm you can specify the font in  ~/.xresources
[10:25] <intelikey> might help... idk
[10:25] <grul> ah hm
[10:26] <grul> i don't even have that file
[10:26] <stdin> grul: and "man consolechars"
[10:26] <|Dylan|> if i may ask, what irc clients do you guys use?  im not sure what client to use, im on kvirc but im not that happy with it
[10:26] <darkrift411> mirc and xchat
[10:26] <dranas> ahhh hahaha
[10:26] <intelikey> i didn't either.  but it's a standard config file.
[10:26] <stdin> konversation FTW
[10:26] <darkrift411> mirc for the scripts for those who are wondering why
[10:26] <grul> i'm using irssi
[10:26] <|Dylan|> stdin: does konversation allow for audio notifications of new messages, etc?
[10:27] <dranas> coool
[10:27] <|Dylan|> stdin: or any other new message notification, like flashing kicker icons?
[10:27] <stdin> |Dylan|: yeah, when ever someone says my name i hear a cough :p
[10:27] <grul> stdin, have you used that program?
[10:27] <|Dylan|> stdin: rofl seriously?
[10:27] <stdin> |Dylan|: and a flashing kickker icon too
[10:27] <grul> consolechars i mean
[10:27] <intelikey> grul also there is a ~/.kde/something/konsole  or konsolerc   or something   that might have the font listed   one could just adjust it...
[10:27] <stdin> |Dylan|: yes :p
[10:27] <underdog5004> stdin, stdin, stdin
[10:27] <stdin> grul: no, not persionally
[10:27] <underdog5004> cough cough cough?
[10:27] <Jucato> |Dylan|: yes and yes
[10:27] <|Dylan|> stdin: shweet!  time for a change-up, methinks.
[10:28] <Jucato> |Dylan|: Settings -> Configure Notifications
[10:28] <stdin> aah, my computer sounds like it's got a cold
[10:28] <stdin> :p
[10:29] <grul> i'm going find / -name "*konsole*"
[10:29] <intelikey> 32 minutes and i can scat.
[10:29] <underdog5004> Jucato, Hey! long time no see
[10:29] <Jucato> hi underdog5004
[10:29] <intelikey> grul not /  ~/
[10:29] <grul> bah, i'm the only user of this workstation anyway
[10:30] <stdin> searching / will take a while
[10:30] <intelikey> yeah but searching /dev/  and  /proc   is ludicrise
[10:30] <grul> :o
[10:30] <stdin> and give you quite a few "permission denied" errors
[10:30] <intelikey> yeah
[10:31] <grul> all done
[10:31] <grul> heh
[10:31] <dranas> yay i found a game that works
[10:31] <intelikey> if you want all listings   find /etc/ /usr/ /var/ /home/ -iname *konsole*
[10:31] <dranas> wormux
[10:31] <dranas> so cool
[10:31] <dranas> ty ppls good night ebverybody
[10:32] <grul> anyway, i found: /home/grul/.kde/share/config/konsolerc in case anyone wanted to know
[10:32] <stdin> may as well leave out /var/ too
[10:32] <intelikey> seeeeeeee
[10:32] <intelikey> si
[10:32] <grul> :)
[10:32] <intelikey> stdin but there are some things in /var/lib that one wouldn't expect
[10:33] <grul> ok, so I changed the default font to Monaco, and it worked :p now let's just hope this doesn't mess things up
[10:33] <grul> :)
[10:34] <intelikey> then i'll say "you're welcome" before i leave
[10:34] <grul> heh, thanks
[10:34] <intelikey> you're welcome
[10:34] <intelikey> :)
[10:34] <grul> :)
[10:35] <intelikey> but always seems to read from stdout and stderr
[10:36] <|Dylan|> dylan wishes he knew enough about irc to be special like you guys
[10:36] <stdin> hmm, bad pun :p
[10:36] <underdog5004> stdin, oh oh, me too!
[10:36] <intelikey> /me something |Dylan|
[10:36] <|Dylan|> mmk thx
[10:36] <|Dylan|> wow, /you actually works a well.
[10:37] <|Dylan|> oh, nm.
[10:37] <intelikey> not in bx it doesn't
[10:37] <c1|freaky> its 10:37am here
[10:37] <c1|freaky> ;p
[10:37] <|Dylan|> 137am here
[10:37] <intelikey> epimeth why only 2 ?
[10:38] <underdog5004> stdin, 1:30 am here
[10:38] <|Dylan|> you guys are in europe, i take it?
[10:38] <intelikey> there are 10 kinds of people in the world, those that understand binarry and those that dont.
[10:38] <epimeth> intelikey:<PHONE_NUMBER>1001<PHONE_NUMBER>0101<PHONE_NUMBER>010100110100010010010101
[10:38] <epimeth> lololol
[10:38] <underdog5004> lol
[10:38] <epimeth> |Dylan|: israel
[10:39] <|Dylan|> because you get it or you dont, and if you dont, we laugh at you.
[10:39] <|Dylan|> its binary.
[10:39] <underdog5004> there are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who get binary and those who don't
[10:39] <c1|freaky> 10 ? 2+0 :D = 2 :D
[10:39] <underdog5004> devavu?
[10:39] <underdog5004> deja vu?
[10:39] <grul> there are 2 kinds of people in the world. those who get hexadecimal and those who don't
[10:40] <c1|freaky> yeaaa
[10:40] <c1|freaky> :D
[10:40] <grul> :P
[10:40] <|Dylan|> lol.
[10:40] <underdog5004> grul, worst hex joke evar!
[10:40] <intelikey> gurl how many ?
[10:40] <grul> underdog5004, sorry :D
[10:40] <darkrift411> GRRRRR