[08:01] <nsnzero> morning all - Merry Christmas everyone have a wonderful day
[08:01] <Maaz> nsnzero: By the way, kulelu88 on freenode told me "tell nsnzero great work . now he needs to test to 100K, then 1M, then he needs to improve the algorithm to go a little faster for >1+M" 11 hours, 46 minutes and 35 seconds ago
[08:02] <nsnzero> thanks Maaz
[09:41] <magespawn> Merry Christmas all.
[14:53] <Cryterion> Merry Christmas everyone
[14:57] <smile> merry christmas everyone! :)
[14:58] <theblazehen> ^ what they said :)
[15:05] <smile> who said o.O
[15:08] <theblazehen> smile you and Cryterion :) Merry christmas!
[15:10] <smile> thank you :D
[17:25] <paddatrapper> Merry Christmas everyone
[17:27] <paddatrapper> Does anyone have a suggestion for good asset management software? RackSpace is a little too server orientated for my needs - I need to track desktops as well as physical servers and cloud instances
[19:33] <kulelu88> nsnzero: how did the algorithm come along? is it more faster now?
[19:47] <nsnzero> hi kulelu88 : take 2.47 min to generate 10 million primes
[19:47] <kulelu88> you mean find the primes for 10 million numbers?
[19:53] <superfly> Merry Christmas everyone
[19:54] <nsnzero> merry xmas superfly and kulelu88
[19:54] <squish102> Merry Christmas from over the water
[19:54] <nsnzero> kulelu88: yes list the first 10 mil primes
[19:54] <superfly> Hey squish102, I'm in the USA now
[19:56] <kulelu88> nsnzero: is your code finding primes within a given number or finding the 1st x-million ?
[19:59] <nsnzero> finding all primes up to a number you input
[20:00] <nsnzero> kulelu88: python3 prime-printer.py 100000  0.34s user 0.00s system 99% cpu 0.347 total
[20:04] <kulelu88> nsnzero: can you zerobin.net your code?
[20:14] <nsnzero> kulelu88: i get 403 Forbidden on zerobin.net
[20:21] <nsnzero> hope everyone is having a good xmas - goodnight guys


[03:37] <pwnguin> is the image creater still the best way to test on non lpia devices?
[03:41] <nrp> was it ever the best way for that?
[03:42] <pwnguin> from my experiences, no
[03:42] <pwnguin> so how should i go about this then?
[03:43] <pwnguin> the wiki page suggests that image builder is the preferred way
[03:47] <nrp> i've just been installing ubuntu server and the ubuntu-mobile package
[03:50] <nrp> i couldnt get the image builder to work
[03:50] <pwnguin> heh
[03:50] <pwnguin> for advanced uses, see qemu
[06:22] <virtuald> i take it that UWE isn't anywhere near ready to be used still
[06:22] <virtuald> UME
[06:42] <pwnguin> it wasn't very ready for gutsy, im setting up another chroot right now for hardy
[06:43] <virtuald> ah
[06:44] <pwnguin> i guess it depends on how you define ready to be used
[06:44] <virtuald> well, my goal is to keep it outside of the chroot, and use it in my carputer ... i was thinking of creating a set of touchscreen friendly apps
[06:44] <virtuald> but then i found this :)
[06:44] <pwnguin> ready to hack on
[06:44] <pwnguin> maybe not ready to replace your daily activities
[06:44] <virtuald> meh
[06:44] <virtuald> no daily activities at this time
[06:44] <pwnguin> interesting. im looking at this for my tablte
[06:44] <virtuald> :)
[06:45] <pwnguin> tablet
[06:45] <virtuald> yeah, i originally installed gentoo on it... but that got annoying
[06:45] <pwnguin> heh
[06:45] <virtuald> http://www.virtualroadside.com/carputer/pictures.html
[06:46] <virtuald> its a mini-itx system, with a 7in touchscreen
[06:46] <virtuald> i've been hacking on xorg all week, fixing the stupid input hotplugging problems with it
[06:46] <pwnguin> hah
[06:46] <pwnguin> cardboard box
[06:46] <virtuald> yeah, that was Rev 0.1
[06:46] <virtuald> :)
[06:47] <pwnguin> you should try swapping the stereo head unit for it ;)
[06:47] <virtuald> yeah, i thought about that
[06:47] <virtuald> however, then i wouldn't have audio
[06:47] <pwnguin> no audio on the mobo?
[06:48] <pwnguin> i see some colored jacks
[06:48] <pwnguin> what's the software it's using for maps
[06:48] <virtuald> theres audio, no speakers
[06:48] <virtuald> it was using roadnav
[06:49] <virtuald> however, i haven't decided what this iteration is going to use
[06:49] <pwnguin> debian packages?
[06:49] <virtuald> no, it was in gentoo
[06:49] <virtuald> i've installed hardy on it now
[06:49] <virtuald> roadnav works pretty well though
[06:49] <virtuald> it has some interface issues though
[06:49] <pwnguin> someone else said just before you joined that they installed ubuntu-server and ubuntu-mobile
[06:50] <pwnguin> instead of the chroot approach
[06:50] <virtuald> yeah, i installed ubuntu-desktop.. then found this, so installed that too :)
[06:50] <virtuald> despite that they probably wont co-exist
[06:50] <pwnguin> ah
[06:50] <pwnguin> i was about to ask about that
[06:50] <virtuald> the chroot approach makes more sense for a real mobile device
[06:51] <pwnguin> ?
[06:51] <virtuald> that has to be flashed or something
[06:51] <virtuald> er
[06:51] <pwnguin> for a real device, i think you'd build an image
[06:51] <virtuald> thats what i meant
[06:51] <virtuald> lol
[06:51] <pwnguin> but the image builder doesn't seem to work quite naturally
[06:52] <virtuald> but for me... i've got a normal system, it just has a tiny touchscreen, so it makes more sense just to have it installed
[06:52] <virtuald> the audio player crashes everything however
[06:52] <virtuald> its pretty sad
[06:52] <pwnguin> apparently roadnav has .debs
[06:52] <virtuald> cool
[06:53] <virtuald> amusingly enough, i was going to hack on that last summer, and create a branch that would be more touchscreen friendly.. but made one commit and then got distracted by school and never got around to it
[06:54] <pwnguin> open source is a frequent casulty of life
[06:54] <virtuald> its not a particularly active project either
[06:54] <virtuald> yeah, it is
[06:55] <pwnguin> you know
[06:55] <virtuald> is there a doc somewhere on how to integrate new apps into the hildan thing
[06:55] <pwnguin> its strange how many projects i find where there's a seperate debian dir
[06:55] <pwnguin> and no package in debian
[06:55] <virtuald> *shrugs*
[06:56] <pwnguin> in a sense, it's a failure of debian to continue absorbing upstream
[06:56] <virtuald> im still getting used to debs and such... been a gentoo user for quite awhile
[06:56] <virtuald> yeah, probably lack of maintainers for the obscure packages
[06:56] <pwnguin> it's quite handy to seperate the build system from the distribution
[06:57] <pwnguin> well, not quite a lack of maintainers
[06:57] <pwnguin> sure, stuff gets orphaned, but there are quite a few debian developers
[06:58] <pwnguin> my rough guess is at least a thousand
[06:58] <virtuald> hm
[06:59] <virtuald> lack of attention then perhaps
[06:59] <virtuald> i mean, theres thousands of packages
[06:59] <pwnguin> 1049 DDs according to what im reading at the last vote
[07:00] <virtuald> hm
[07:01] <pwnguin> i guess debian's actually moved to something akin to MOTU
[07:02] <virtuald> MOTU?
[07:02] <pwnguin> "masters of the universe"
[07:02] <pwnguin> theres two main splits of ubuntu packages
[07:02] <pwnguin> main and universe (also the closed source versions)
[07:02] <virtuald> right
[07:03] <pwnguin> MOTU takes care of universe
[07:03] <virtuald> ah
[07:03] <virtuald> makes sense i suppose
[07:03] <virtuald> there is one nasty catch with roadnav
[07:03] <virtuald> it doesn't do one-way streets
[07:04] <virtuald> because of the map data it has doesn't denote them
[07:04] <pwnguin> heh
[07:04] <virtuald> and i just moved to boston (tons of one-way tiny streets), so i've been looking into other options
[07:05] <pwnguin> you can see garmin from my house
[07:05] <pwnguin> i know tons of people who work for them
[07:05] <pwnguin> they mostly buy someone elses map software
[07:05] <virtuald> haha
[07:07] <virtuald> google earth can do GPS, but that version costs money
[07:08] <virtuald> so.. then ubuntu-mobile is (essentially) something that can be installed instead of ubuntu-desktop then?
[07:08] <virtuald> as opposed to just being a set of packages
[07:08] <pwnguin> looks like it
[07:08] <virtuald> different kernel too?
[07:09] <pwnguin> technically, i think they're working on a new arch
[07:09] <pwnguin> lpia
[07:09] <virtuald> ah
[07:09] <pwnguin> but its x86 compatible
[07:09] <virtuald> k, i saw that somewhere, so i was wondering
[07:09] <pwnguin> so the idea behind the arch is that they recompile for efficiency
[07:11] <virtuald> i see
[07:14] <pwnguin> hrm. apparently the terminal application is installed, but ubuntu-mobile doesn't bring in xterm
[07:18] <virtuald> well, hopefully the mobile stuff will work out nicely :)
[07:19] <virtuald> it looks like a great interface on the surface
[07:19] <virtuald> im out though, nite
[07:53] <pwnguin> is there any other repo for moblin packages besides the main ubuntu archive?
[07:54] <pwnguin> i look at the webpage for mobile edition and the screenshots suggest more applications than im seeing currently
[18:53] <slytherin> Mithrandir: are you planning to update bluez-utils and bluez-gnome to latest version? They contain bug fixes.


[23:18] <ItzSwirlz> i'm probably going to be more of a desktop guy but uh, thoughts from the security team on Hertzbleed?
[23:20] <sarnold> computers were probably a mistake
[23:29] <jjohansen1> hahaha, what do you mean probably?
[23:30] <jjohansen1> its interesting, but not surprising
[23:31] <sarnold> I mean, looking at mandelbrot sets is pretty and everything..
[23:31] <jjohansen1> basically its saying crypto really needs hw support
[23:34] <jjohansen1> well that, and all debuging/monitoring interfaces of any kind are privileged, and you can't have nice stuff


[14:06] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +11525 cases (now 966406), +163 deaths (now 15392) since a day ago


[00:01] <Unit193> OvenWerks: You can't exactly overrite some things via that, and updates won't just overrite, and in fact won't even ask except for maybe release updates.
[00:12] <yves> i'm unable to create a usb-disk
[00:15] <wilee-nilee> !details | yves
[00:24] <yves> I have a problem with usb-disk-creator i'm running Ubuntstudio 13.10 64bits
[00:26] <yves> the program stops  I have to be root to umount the usb key
[00:27] <yves> and it doesn't work
[01:16] <Jared24> has anyone had success upgrading to 13.10?
[01:17] <`Fibz`> all fresh installs over here, sorry
[01:18] <Jared24> fresh 13.10?
[01:19] <`Fibz`> yeah installed fresh.   booted using live USB, deleted everything but /home, renamed /home to bak, installed studio without formatting
[01:20] <Jared24> which iso?
[01:20] <`Fibz`> 13.10 beta 2
[01:20] <Jared24> but which iso?
[01:21] <`Fibz`> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/13.10/beta-2/ubuntustudio-13.10-beta2-dvd-amd64.iso
[01:21] <`Fibz`> actually it was http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/13.10/beta-2/ubuntustudio-13.10-beta2-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent
[01:22] <`Fibz`> that is not the current 13.10
[01:22] <`Fibz`> thats just what i used
[01:22] <Jared24> interesting ... the release amd64 won't boot and the upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 dies on the first boot
[01:23] <`Fibz`> on 2 of my systems i had to set the noapic and nomodeset boot options when booting the live USB
[01:24] <Jared24> something smells bad
[01:24] <`Fibz`> 13.10 is bad. i'd wait for january
[01:24] <Jared24> good idea
[01:24] <`Fibz`> some good stuff, but a few nasty bugs that are getting in my way
[01:24] <Jared24> had to reinstall 13.04
[01:25] <Jared24> someone should post a big warning so no one else wastes their time
[01:26] <`Fibz`> btw, i always clean install. not once have i ever had an ubuntu upgrade go smoothly
[01:26] <Jared24> i upgraded from 12.10 to 13.04 successfully
[01:26] <Jared24> maybe i was lucky
[01:27] <`Fibz`> 12.10 to 13.04 always kills my wifi
[01:27] <Jared24> hmmmm
[01:27] <`Fibz`> every time, on every chipset
[01:27] <`Fibz`> it appears to work but wont connect
[01:27] <Jared24> nasty
[01:28] <Jared24> well its still better than trying to upgrade windoze :)
[01:30] <Jared24> thx for the chat, cya on the flip side of 14.04
[03:25] <cfhowlett> Question: testing 13.10 in VBox in 12.04.  US stated 8.6 gig required for installation.  Is that sans the meta-packages?  Are meta-packages on the ISO or downloaded?  Can metas be added after initial installation is completed?
[03:30] <`Fibz`> i have some embedded systems with no internet connection, 8.6GB is accurate
[03:30] <cfhowlett> OK.  Is that with/out meta?
[03:31] <`Fibz`> thats with whatever the default install is whithout internet connection
[03:31] <cfhowlett> good to know.  Thank you.
[03:31] <`Fibz`> including the extra package options presented in ubuquity. (mp3 and whatnot)
[03:32] <cfhowlett> So I take it those packages ARE on the ISO then ...
[03:32] <`Fibz`> well i can attest that mp3 works byound that i dont really know what that option is
[03:33] <cfhowlett> fair enough.  Looks like there's a default set of US packages but you can then supplement them to get  a full meal deal by installing the meta-packages
[03:34] <`Fibz`> you dont get all the language packs
[03:34] <`Fibz`> that requires internet
[03:34] <cfhowlett> eesh.  wouldn't want them all.
[04:07] <hiseed78> is ubuntu studio kde or gnome?
[04:16] <Unit193> None of the above, Xfce.
[04:17] <cfhowlett> xfce4
[06:09] <aaa> hello
[06:14] <cfhowlett> aaa, choose one channel and ask your question.  crossposting onlyu confuses the issue
[10:41] <orgaZmo> im gonnas setup 3 ipcameras to record everything from i start it until i stops it myself..
[10:41] <orgaZmo> im going to use 3 hd ipcameras, and planing to record everything from them at an event, so i can edit it later to an music video.
[10:41] <orgaZmo> so i need everything recorded as hd
[10:41] <orgaZmo> and now the question.. what software should be the right way to do this?
[10:42] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, so 3 video streams?  recording to 3 different drives, right?
[10:42] <orgaZmo> planing on runin ubuntu since i feel that i can handle it.. windows is not an alternative
[10:43] <orgaZmo> 3 ipcameras
[10:43] <orgaZmo> and they are hd cameras
[10:43] <orgaZmo> so i need everything to be in hd
[10:43] <orgaZmo> i can record everything to the same drive..
[10:44] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, still not getting this.  Your cameras will record in HD.  You HAVE hd ...
[10:44] <orgaZmo> yes.. i was thinking of the software so it can handle hd
[10:44] <orgaZmo> :D
[10:44] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, do you mean how to edit and wind up with an HD format movie?
[10:44] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, openshot will output HD
[10:44] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, and I'm pretty sure KDEnlive will as well
[10:45] <orgaZmo> record everything in hd  with 3 hd ipcameras, and then later we are going to mix this together with the audio from the audio-guy, to an musicvideo
[10:45] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, openshot has a similar look/feel to iMovie.
[10:46] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, ok.  NOW I get it.  Lots of ways to do this ... is this a live a recording and music has to synch with the performers?  or your going to join music to video for a music vid?
[10:48] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, ?
[10:48] <orgaZmo> yes.. now you did get it.. lol
[10:48] <cfhowlett> so .. music vid or live performance recording?
[10:49] <orgaZmo> the band are performing liva at an inside building, and we are going to record with 3 ipcameras in hd, and then we get the sound from the "sound-dude" that he has recorded to his music equipment
[10:49] <orgaZmo> and then we are going to take it all and make an musicvideo..
[10:49] <orgaZmo> musicvideo from live
[10:50] <orgaZmo> we are planing to record everything the whole eavening
[10:50] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, ok. sound guy gets sound, you get video.  openshot will do that easily.  kdenlive as well.  for MUCH more hardcore video editing, you're talking cinelerra project or possibly blender.
[10:51] <orgaZmo> okey.. so what are the best/easiest for me to setup with the cameras?
[10:51] <orgaZmo> openshot?
[10:52] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, confusing me there bubba... get the video.  import the video into openshot.  edit.  lay in the soundtrack. export.  get your oscar.
[10:54] <orgaZmo> so, what should i record the 3 hd ipcameras with then?
[10:55] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, this is a photography question.  answer: how should I know?
[10:55] <orgaZmo> we have started to make events here in sweden for the new bands to play and show themself
[10:55] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, or did you mean format?  record in hd format.
[10:55] <orgaZmo> no.. what software should i use in ubuntu to record the 3 cameras with?
[10:56] <orgaZmo> and when i got that one, i have to go to next step
[10:56] <cfhowlett> I must be really slow tonight.  Why would you need ubuntu to control your camera?  Your camera has its OWN software ...
[10:57] <cfhowlett> and it's own storage!  right?
[10:57] <orgaZmo> yes.. but that software to the cameras sucks ass.. thats why. lol
[10:57] <orgaZmo> i only got the 3 cameras .. no nvr
[10:58] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, ok, but it IS the native software for the hardware.  Since Ubuntu doesn't currently MAKE camera software, you're better off using the camera's native apps.
[10:58] <cfhowlett> here's what I THINK your workflow might be.
[10:59] <orgaZmo> ok..
[10:59] <cfhowlett> Get the best video you can capture ..
[10:59] <orgaZmo> this is the cameras http://www.icu-live.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/AirCam.png
[10:59] <cfhowlett> EDIT that software with openshot/kdenlive/whatever
[11:00] <cfhowlett> MIX music and video = output in HD format.
[11:00] <cfhowlett> Burn DVD's, Youtube, whatever.
[11:00] <orgaZmo> alright.. you did get it..
[11:00] <orgaZmo> but the question is what software in linux i should use to record it with
[11:01] <orgaZmo> because the cameras own recording software, is really bad. :(
[11:01] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, OK, so you'll have a livestream that you want to capture ... am I right?
[11:02] <orgaZmo> and if i starts recording on the 3 cameras in the software that came with the cameras it is really bad and laggy
[11:02] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, why're you using a security cam for a music vid?
[11:02] <orgaZmo> the cameras should be runin all night long.. but im going to record everything from first band to last band with al 3 cameras in different angle
[11:03] <orgaZmo> it was the best hd cameras i can use for this, and i had them at home..
[11:03] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, ok.  next time though: Sony.
[11:03] <orgaZmo> ok..
[11:04] <cfhowlett> I'm familiar with single stream capture but multi stream is a different project...
[11:04] <orgaZmo> okey
[11:05] <orgaZmo> but cant i use multiple cameras with the same software then?
[11:05] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, not something I've done.  I'm sending you links.  Do your research.   Ask again when there are more people in this channel.
[11:06] <cfhowlett> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CaptureRTSP
[11:06] <orgaZmo> okey.. thx
[11:06] <cfhowlett> By the way, this looks like CAPTURE/EDIT/MIX/EXPORT but anyone who knows more than I might suggest otherwise.
[11:07] <orgaZmo> the only thing i should do right now is record fvideo from 3 ipcameras
[11:07] <orgaZmo> the other is done on a windows machine by another user
[11:08] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, REALLY suggest you hit up this channel when there are more people.  My "expertise" goes only so far.
[11:08] <orgaZmo> okey.. no problem..
[11:09] <orgaZmo> so i need an recording software that supports ipcameras
[11:09] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, you're saying you want to record/store DIRECTLY into ubuntu.
[11:09] <orgaZmo> yes
[11:10] <orgaZmo> but all 3 cameras at the same time
[11:10] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, multiple streaming shouldn't be an issue
[11:11] <orgaZmo> okey. .then i only need an recording software for it
[11:12] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, eh?  recording the stream you mean?
[11:12] <orgaZmo> capture the stream from cameras
[11:12] <orgaZmo> or.. no
[11:12] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, see?  need an expert.
[11:12] <orgaZmo> everything the cameras "see" i should record
[11:13] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, most links for IP camera are security related   http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Server_12.04_64-bit_with_Zoneminder_1.25.0_the_easy_way
[11:14] <orgaZmo> i found that one too,, but is that the software i need?
[11:14] <orgaZmo> then i get it
[11:14] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, it will work.
[11:14] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, what's your time line on this project?
[11:14] <orgaZmo> okey.. then i have the solution
[11:14] <orgaZmo> thx
[11:15] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, check back often
[11:15] <cfhowlett> orgaZmo, and once you have some video, fire up your editor and play with it
[11:15] <orgaZmo> yes i will.. i idle here for now
[15:06] <gtr> prueba
[15:07] <gtr> Saludos ¿alguien habla español?
[22:38] <help_me> join #ubuntu
[22:39] <help_me> hi, I have an interesting issue
[22:39] <help_me> I installed ubuntu studio in ubuntu 13.04 and now my audio is not working... does anyone know of a fix for this?
[22:40] <GridCube> help_me, what you mean with "is not working"
[22:41] <help_me> there is no audio output on headphones or speakers
[22:42] <GridCube> help_me, have you check that pavucontrol is streaming to the correct outputs
[22:42] <help_me> I looked at pavucontrol, and it looks as if it is streaming to the correct outputs
[22:43] <GridCube> are you running jack for a chance?
[22:43] <help_me> I did install jack
[22:43] <help_me> but it says it's not installed
[22:44] <GridCube> mmm
[22:45] <GridCube> see if it appears whn you do service --status-all
[22:46] <help_me> okay. will do
[22:46] <help_me> no. it does not
[22:46] <GridCube> mmm
[22:47] <GridCube> change the settings of your audio device on the last tab of pavucontrol and see if things fix
[22:48] <GridCube> maybe you need to restart alsa aswell, try; sudo alsa force-unload && sudo alsa force-reload
[22:49] <help_me> ok... sec
[22:50] <help_me> didn't do anything. :((
[22:50] <GridCube> :(
[22:51] <GridCube> see in alsamixer that your outputs arent being muted
[22:51] <help_me> I made sure the headphones weren't muted.
[22:52] <help_me> trying a package upgrade.... *crosses fingers*
[22:54] <help_me> waaaaaaaaa :''((((((
[22:54] <help_me> wait
[22:54] <help_me> it worked...
[22:54] <help_me> :)))))))
[22:56] <help_me> I did an update, and then unloaded alsa, restarted alsa, and yay
[22:57] <help_me> thanks guys


[09:51] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[12:48] <ChinnoDog> Morning
[12:54] <teddy-dbear> o/


[08:57] <mzanetti> MacSlow: hey ho
[09:08] <dandrader> Saviq, just flashed mako with devel-proposed and have unity8 crashing with this on start up: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8848881/  I think I read something about it somewhere. do you know what's the easy fix for it?
[09:09] <Saviq> dandrader, huuh, do you have media-hub running?
[09:10] <dandrader> let me "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade". maybe the fix is not in the current image yet...
[09:11] <dandrader> Saviq, oh yeah, media-hub is being upgraded now...
[09:14] <dandrader> Saviq, works now :)
[09:14] <Saviq> dandrader, still, shouldn't have happened...
[09:14] <Saviq> dandrader, sounds like we messed up the deps somewhere
[09:21] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ping
[09:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, wassup?
[09:22] <Saviq> dednick, saw email from Kevin?
[09:22] <dednick> Saviq: ya. looking into it now
[09:22] <Saviq> dednick, ok, let me know if you need a hand
[09:22] <dednick> Saviq: i thought we were relasing that silo into rtm?
[09:22] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i don't udnerstand why some code i did in GenericScopeView regarding visibility ranges and stuff
[09:22] <tsdgeos> Saviq: was wondering if talking wiht you may help :D
[09:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, sure :)
[09:24] <Saviq> tsdgeos, wanna mumble?
[09:24] <Saviq> dednick, first into vivid
[09:24] <tsdgeos> probably better yeah
[09:25] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ↑
[11:12] <facundobatista> Hola
[11:47] <dandrader> greyback, I'm having problems building unity8 and qtmir for the PPA as they're not getting the new unity-api
[11:47] <dandrader> greyback, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/+recipe/qtmir-shellrotation
[11:47] <dandrader> greyback, the new unity-api is already in the PPA (https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/ubuntu/demo-stuff/+packages)
[11:48] <dandrader> greyback, but still qtmir and unity8 refuse to build due to missing dependencies. do I have to tweak their recipes somehow?
[11:50] <dandrader> mzanetti, ? ^
[11:51]  * mzanetti looking
[11:54] <mzanetti> dandrader: I think its because of the ~ in the version
[11:54] <mzanetti> dandrader: ~ makes it smaller
[11:55] <dandrader> versioning hell
[11:55] <mzanetti> so requires >= 7.94 won't be fulfilled with 7.94~foo
[11:55] <dandrader> mzanetti, in unity-api you mean?
[11:55] <mzanetti> yeah
[11:55] <mzanetti> dandrader: use - instead of ~
[11:55] <dandrader> mzanetti, ok, thanks!
[11:55] <kgunn> dandrader: or just add {time} to the end of the version, it will make it bigger
[11:56] <mzanetti> yeah, but not after a ~ :)
[11:56] <kgunn> right
[11:56] <greyback__> sodding broadcom chip
[11:57] <dandrader> mzanetti, so "7.94-0~164~ubuntu15.04.1 < 7.94"?
[11:57] <greyback__> I'd use 7.94+{bzr}
[11:57] <mzanetti> I think so... not entirely how the -0 comes into play
[11:57] <greyback__> the "-0" always confuses me
[11:57] <greyback__> 7.94-0 < 7.94
[11:58] <Zhenech> why don't you depend on ">= 7.94~"
[11:58] <dandrader> yeah, I just went with the default version rule that the recipe gives....
[11:59] <dandrader> greyback__, what's the difference between 123-foo and 123+foo?
[11:59] <mzanetti> Zhenech: because this is just a testing ppa and we don't want to mess with control file
[11:59] <greyback__> dandrader: dpkg treats them differently - the exact details I don't know.
[12:00] <greyback__> dpkg --compare-versions 7.94-0 le 7.94 && echo "yes"   - prints yes
[12:00] <greyback__> dpkg --compare-versions 7.94+0 le 7.94 && echo "yes"  - prints nothing
[12:00]  * dandrader write it down
[12:00] <kgunn> wow
[12:02] <greyback__> mterry understands this stuff. I just play it safe by avoiding the -
[12:02] <Saviq> greyback__, dandrader, that's because upstream version 1.00 is meant to be higher than debian version 1.00-debian1
[12:03] <kgunn> does anyone know how to simulate 1) a sim that is locked & 2) simulate locking on an actual sim ?
[12:03] <Saviq> kgunn, not all SIMs support it at all
[12:03] <greyback__> Saviq: *nod* makes sense
[12:03] <Saviq> kgunn, but with phonesim you can emulate it
[12:03] <kgunn> Saviq: yeah, i gotta at&t prepaid that has no locking
[12:04] <Saviq> kgunn, AFAIK in the US you basically don't get lockable SIMs
[12:05] <Saviq> kgunn, you can install ofono-phonesim-autostart
[12:05] <kgunn>  /me tries
[12:05] <Saviq> kgunn, and then you can interact with the virtual SIM, configure it in /usr/share/phonesim/default.xml I think
[12:06] <kgunn> ah-ha, thanks for pointers
[12:08] <Saviq> kgunn, actually /etc/ofono/phonesim.conf, don't touch the xml
[12:48] <Saviq> greyback__, we have a bug for qtubuntu-media on desktop? bug #1390056 looks like a duplicate
[12:49] <greyback__> Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtubuntu-media/+bug/1389276 you mean?
[12:49] <Saviq> greyback__, thanks
[13:14] <mzanetti> hmm... my unity8-dash is stuck in a restart loop
[13:14] <mzanetti> seems oomkiller kills it as soon as its started
[13:15] <mzanetti> ubuntu-location-service using 1GB of mem
[13:16] <mzanetti> Saviq: do we know about this or should I try to get more? ^
[13:18] <Saviq> mzanetti, what's the oom score of ubuntu-location-service? found in /proc/`pidof`/oom_*
[13:19] <mzanetti> adj: 0, score: 452
[13:19] <mzanetti> this is rtm (not proposed) on Nexus4, aka the dogfooding phone
[13:22] <Saviq> mzanetti, check in /usr/share/upstart/sessions/unity8-dash.conf
[13:22] <Saviq> mzanetti, does it contain an oom setting line?
[13:22] <mzanetti> oom score 50
[13:22] <Saviq> ok then oom killer is not doing its job
[13:23] <Saviq> mzanetti, find tvoss and talk to him about the service taking all mem
[13:23] <mzanetti> does a higher score mean it should be killed first?
[13:24] <Saviq> mzanetti, yes
[13:39] <greyback__> Anyone have recommendations for a file sync tool where I can mirror a directory across machines?
[13:40] <greyback__> preferably inside my network, not something like dropbox
[13:40] <Saviq> greyback__, rsync?
[13:41] <greyback__> Saviq: but kept up to date, not a one off
[13:41] <Saviq> greyback__, http://sparkleshare.org/
[13:41] <greyback__> Saviq: hmm cool, will give it a go
[13:41] <greyback__> Unison just fails on me
[13:42] <Saviq> greyback__, yeah, unison is not even maintained any more is it?
[13:42] <greyback__> no idea
[13:42] <greyback__> but I love the UI: "something went wrong" -> quit
[13:42] <Saviq> greyback__, Conduit is another potential solution, but sparkleshare should really be what you need
[13:43] <greyback__> oO it's written in Mono! evil
[13:43] <Saviq> greyback__, hmm the ui, maybe
[13:43] <Saviq> greyback__, it's backed with git
[13:43] <greyback__> I don't actually care, I use Tomboy anyway
[13:43] <Saviq> +1
[13:44] <davmor2> greyback__: there is that bittorrent sync thing
[13:44] <Saviq> oh
[13:44] <Saviq> interesting
[13:45] <greyback__> davmor2: true, I heard of that. I just want *something* which mirrors files in my network, save me figuring out scp commands all the time to copy stuff around
[13:47] <davmor2> greyback__: http://www.bittorrent.com/sync/how-it-works  kinda sound exactly like what you need :)
[13:47] <greyback__> davmor2: nice, worth checking out
[14:46] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, finally found the time to sort out the merge-conflicts with https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity8/replace-combo-button-fix-1384730/+merge/240283
[14:46] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, so if you want to take another look.
[14:47] <Lugal> Hello
[14:48] <Lugal> does Unity still have the feature thats its sending search results to canonical, without letting the user know? or has it been changed?
[14:50] <larsu> Lugal: yes (but it doesn't send results, it sends the query). You can turn it off in System Settings > Security & Privacy > Search
[14:51] <Lugal> why is it not turned off at default? its not too obvious to all users.
[14:52] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: ok
[14:52] <Lugal> and is it the only thing that sends something? or does other programms contained in Ubuntu have similar features?
[14:52] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, thx
[14:53] <tsdgeos> Lugal: it's all free software, you should check the source code to be sure
[14:53] <larsu> Lugal: no, unity is not the only program communicating with the internet...
[14:53] <larsu> s/with/over
[14:54] <Lugal> I am not talking about communicating, I am talking about sending private data
[14:54] <larsu> what is private data to you?
[14:55] <larsu> chatting with another person? Sure, that's sent to that other person (via whatever chat provider you have set up)
[14:55] <larsu> doing a google search? That's sent to google...
[14:55] <larsu> joking aside, I really don't fully understand your question
[14:55] <Lugal> the filenames on ones computer can be private
[14:56] <larsu> unity only sends the string you search for
[14:56] <larsu> if you don't want that, you can turn it off
[14:56] <cwayne> and not from the files lens
[14:56] <larsu> right, thanks cwayne
[14:56] <davmor2> Lugal: it's not sending private data if you use the scopes provided, if you use the home then it sends out searches but if you use the files scope it only searches locally and you can turn on and off searches too
[14:57] <Lugal> for example   diary.txt  or    allMyPasswords.txt   or   patiens_data.txt   or what ever someone could have on a computer, he would not want cannonical to know about these file names.
[14:58] <Lugal> or did I misunderstand something
[14:58] <larsu> unity does not send the contents of those files (of course)
[14:58] <Lugal> it sends the strings then I search for my files or only when I search for a programm online?
[14:59] <larsu> the names themselves don't seem very sensitive to me
[14:59] <larsu> when you search for "diary" on the home scope, "diary" is sent to canonical, nothing else
[15:00] <Lugal> but other people knowing about the file names can make me a target for hackers
[15:00] <larsu> no, not really
[15:00] <larsu> but if you're concerned that the file names contain sensitive information, you have the choice to turn off that feture
[15:00] <larsu> *feature
[15:01] <davmor2> Lugal: or as we keep saying use the Files scope which only searches locally, not data sent out anywhere
[15:01] <Lugal> if someone searches for topSecretCompanyData.txt  that could make him a target for hackers
[15:01] <larsu> Lugal: how so?
[15:02] <larsu> how could a hacker use "topSecrectCompanyData.txt" to intrude your system?
[15:02] <tsdgeos> larsu: technically could use to to know you have such secret data
[15:02] <Lugal> because another comnpany who buys the info from canonical would pay hackers to steal the data e.g.
[15:02] <tsdgeos> which is irrelevant as davmor2 says
[15:03] <Lugal> ok, ok, then another example
[15:03] <davmor2> Lugal: it hits the canonical server encrypted so no-one can read that, it is then anonymously sent out to the search providers the results of which go straight to you, at which point do you think someone can read it other than you?
[15:03] <larsu> tsdgeos: yeah, fair enough
[15:03] <davmor2> Lugal: we don't sell info
[15:05] <Lugal> if I play a game, and make screenshot with the name b0mb, and then I search for it, then some secret services can mark me as teror1st. and thats not what your users would want . is it?
[15:05] <Saviq> kgunn, I'll add MacSlow's dropdown branch to vivid silo 16, this being the last remaining thing to land?
[15:05] <Saviq> (for unity8 that is)
[15:06] <kgunn> cool
[15:06] <larsu> Lugal: dude, you just said bomb on a public irc channel...
[15:06] <Lugal> u too
[15:06] <larsu> I say that a lot, actually
[15:06] <Lugal> but, I meant it only as an example
[15:06] <larsu> ya, I get your point
[15:07] <larsu> simply turn it off if you're privacy conscious
[15:08] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: hey! why have i been volunteered to https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity8/replace-combo-button-fix-1384730/+merge/240283 ? i did only comment that it did not merge :D
[15:08] <Lugal> but anyway its not fair for people, who dont know about the turn off option. and if you really need the infos, you could just make a voluntarily survey for your users
[15:09] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, well I tried to "voluneteer" you ;)
[15:09] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: is this going for a critical, rtm, ota1, or what?
[15:10] <MacSlow> tsdgeos: it's critical for rtm
[15:11] <tsdgeos> but needs to be adjusted ^_^
[15:11] <davmor2> Lugal: you know when you open the dash what does the big search box say?
[15:11] <larsu> Lugal: the placeholder text in the search box is pretty clear, I think ("search your computer and online sources" )
[15:11] <larsu> davmor2: :)
[15:12] <davmor2> Lugal: then if you click along the icons at the bottom what do each of those say in comparison
[15:12] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, what adjustment is needed?
[15:12] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: i guess ti's fine
[15:12] <tsdgeos> but if it's critcal, should say critical somewhere and be set by someone of the "Crticail deciding team"
[15:12] <Lugal> I dont know
[15:13] <sil2100> Saviq: ping
[15:13] <Lugal> dont have unitz anymore since having reading bad things about it
[15:13] <sil2100> Saviq: or maybe not, unping!
[15:13] <Saviq> heh
[15:13] <larsu> Lugal: why do you complain about it, then?
[15:13] <Lugal> but is it true, that canonical gives the infos to amazon?
[15:14] <Saviq> Lugal, no, your identity actually never leaves Canonical's servers
[15:15] <Saviq> (identity == IP, nothing else)
[15:15] <Saviq> Lugal, just using your browser is much more "dangerous" in that sense than using Unity
[15:16] <Saviq> Lugal, you're being tracked by cookies, Google search, everything
[15:16] <tsdgeos> facebook!
[15:16] <davmor2> facebook, google+, twitter, any music service, any films service etc etc etc
[15:17] <MacSlow> Lugal, you can e.g. use netstat on the phone, to see what's going out from your device
[15:18] <MacSlow> Lugal, and nmap also works on the phone
[15:18] <Saviq> MacSlow, this was actually about Unity7, but yeah, same applies
[15:18] <MacSlow> Saviq, ah ok...
[15:18] <Saviq> MacSlow, with the exception of the concern what Canonical then does with the data (i.e. nothing)
[15:18] <MacSlow> Lugal, on the desktop it's even simplier
[15:18] <MacSlow> simpler
[15:19] <Lugal> but google/facebook etc track only what i upload, and I can still be sure my hdd to stay private, but when hearing that the makers of my operating system have interest of knowing my hdd content, then my last hope for privacy is gone :(
[15:19] <larsu> if you don't trust the software on your desktop, you probably shouldn't be using software on it to find out what it sends to the internet
[15:19] <Saviq> Lugal, that's plain FUD
[15:19] <MacSlow> Lugal, you're using an openSource OS... that's the best basis for digging really deep, if you have trust-concerns
[15:20] <Saviq> Lugal, Unity does not upload anything anywhere, only the query (meaning what you type into the search string)
[15:20] <Saviq> s/string/entry/
[15:21] <Lugal> ok, and is there  a way to find out with netstat what a programm send to the internet?
[15:22] <Saviq> Lugal, google for "logging internet traffic"
[15:22] <Lugal> ok
[15:22] <Lugal> and one last question
[15:22] <MacSlow> Lugal, common tools are nmap, tcpdump and netstat
[15:23] <Lugal> are the programms in the canonical repo the same as in the developer website and in other distros? or does each distro has its own version of programms e.g. firefox, pidgin, thunderbird, vlc, ....?
[15:24] <MacSlow> Lugal, 99.99% the same... usual difference are packaging-adjustments due to distro
[15:24] <Saviq> Lugal, most distros *builds* it themselves, unless they're derivative, when they use the same binaries even
[15:25] <Saviq> Lugal, as far as source goes, what MacSlow said
[15:25] <Saviq> Lugal, any differences are, again, public - it's all open source
[15:27] <Lugal> ok, thanks for the infos. cya
[15:40] <tsdgeos> Saviq: Cimi_: i changed a bit the updateRanges function on https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/photoscopeimprovements/+merge/239834
[15:40] <tsdgeos> also added a TODO of how to improve it for the future
[15:40] <tsdgeos> which is on what i'll try to work after i review MacSlow's branch
[15:40] <tsdgeos> comments more than welcome as always
[15:55] <tsdgeos> MacSlow:
[15:55] <tsdgeos> 309	- hints: {"x-canonical-private-affirmative-tint": "true"},
[15:55] <tsdgeos> 310	+ hints: {"x-canonical-private-affirmative-tint": "true",},
[15:55] <tsdgeos> ?
[15:56] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: also /*ActionModel {
[15:56] <tsdgeos> ?
[15:57] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, already fixed
[15:57] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, the action-model left-over
[15:57] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: i'm doiing tryOptionToggle
[15:58] <tsdgeos> and i can't seem to click on the combo stuff
[15:58] <tsdgeos> how do i use it?
[15:59] <tsdgeos> or is it just that click is not wired anywhere?
[15:59] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, the click on an option from the expanded OptionToggle does nothing
[16:00] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, only with the testOptionToggle the click is checked for
[16:04] <tatsuta> Hi guys! How can I send a notification with expire time??
[16:06] <MacSlow> tatsuta, what kind of notification? From what type of service/app?
[16:06] <tatsuta> notify-send to dunst
[16:06] <MacSlow> tatsuta, under unity7 or unity8?
[16:07] <tatsuta> I was just wonderung why notify-send doesn't support expire timeout
[16:07] <MacSlow> tatsuta, notify-send implies unity7/desktop
[16:07] <tatsuta> *wondering
[16:07] <MacSlow> tatsuta, notify-osd (unity7) does not allow expire-timeout to be controlled by notification-triggering apps.
[16:07] <tatsuta> why, my scripts need it
[16:08] <MacSlow> tatsuta, that's a design-decision to avoid notification-queue-blocking
[16:08] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: what does the getRaw function do in the test?
[16:08] <tatsuta> So how can we overcome this problem?
[16:09] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: ah i see
[16:09] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, it's needed because of the missing unity-notifications, which implements that call
[16:09] <tatsuta> I also have tried dbus-send with no effect
[16:10] <MacSlow> tatsuta, like I said... notify-osd (the notification deamon/rendering under unity7) does intentionally not support custom timeouts.
[16:10] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: what do you think of http://paste.ubuntu.com/8853665/ so that tryOptionToggle is less weird?
[16:11] <MacSlow> tatsuta, if you want to change that behaviour, you've to patch notify-osd
[16:11] <tatsuta> Oh I see... Can I use another notification daemon
[16:11] <MacSlow> tatsuta, or that
[16:11] <MacSlow> tatsuta, the default one from GNOME still does support that iirc
[16:12] <tatsuta> Thanks! I will google it.
[16:12] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, I'm ok with that
[16:12] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: cool, plz add it
[16:14] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, done
[16:17] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: can i see this in action in the phone with real stuff?
[16:17] <tsdgeos> just call?
[16:21] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, yup
[16:21] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, the changes are transparent to the app
[16:21] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, ah... no wait...
[16:22] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, I'm currently not sure if telephony-service does use the additional actions
[16:23] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, I'm not sure if Design chased telephony-service to add the additional actions.
[16:25] <tsdgeos> LOL
[16:25] <tsdgeos> untransltated strings
[16:25]  * tsdgeos cries
[16:27] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, that is not funny
[16:29] <tsdgeos> dednick: Cimi_: how do we handle translatations in ubuntu-settings-components ?
[16:30] <tsdgeos> or we don't?
[16:33] <Cimi_> tsdgeos, not for now iirc
[16:38] <dednick> tsdgeos: no, there is no translations
[16:38] <dednick> although we do have some strings in there
[16:39] <dednick> tsdgeos: you talking about the message translations? "Reply", "Call back", "Send" ?
[16:39] <tsdgeos> dednick: yes
[16:39] <dednick> there's already a bug and branches for it
[16:40] <tsdgeos> i don't see how any of the branches fixes "Call back"
[16:40] <dednick> tsdgeos: ^ although the fixes are somewhat of a workaround
[16:40] <tsdgeos> they pigy back on telephony-service to get the Reply translation
[16:40] <tsdgeos> but the rest?
[16:40] <dednick> tsdgeos: there is a branch for telephony-service, which supplies the button labels
[16:41] <dednick> the ones in u8/usc are supposed to be fallbacks
[16:41] <tsdgeos> ah i see


[06:53] <maco> on the TODO page, what's green and what's orange?
[06:55] <Hobbsee> green == done, orange == in progress, maybe?  or orange == todo?
[06:57] <maco> ok
[06:57] <maco> and is that page for packaging updates?
[06:58] <maco> its not quite self-explanatory, i guess
[07:05] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure
[07:05] <Hobbsee> i'd guess so, from last time is aw it
[09:28] <seb128> pochu: hi
[09:33] <pochu> hey seb128 :)
[09:33] <seb128> pochu: hello
[09:33] <pochu> how are you?
[09:34] <seb128> pochu: any reason you are adding binaries to vinagre?
[09:34] <seb128> pochu: good, thank you, how are you?
[09:34] <pochu> seb128: fine, thanks :) busy as usual with uni though ;)
[09:34] <pochu> seb128: yeah, vinagre .deb is now 2MB+, which in Debian means 20MB+
[09:34] <pochu> for all archs
[09:35] <pochu> and since almost all of it is the help documentation, I've split it
[09:35] <seb128> hum, k, I really dislike this oversplitting in debian
[09:36] <pochu> I'd prefer not to do it, but it's going from more than 20MB in the mirrors to just a few...
[09:36] <seb128> it adds entries to the apt indexes, makes those slower to download, the packages list less nice to browse, create bugs, etc
[09:36] <seb128> disk space is cheap nowadays ;-)
[09:37] <seb128> you should stop adding -dbg variants everywhere if you care about mirror use
[09:38] <pochu> hmm
[09:38] <seb128> really, that's not a coherent way to do things
[09:39] <pochu> I guess if I had to choose between having dbg packages and -common packages, and having none of them, I'd choose the former...
[09:39] <pochu> until Debian has dbgsym packages or something like that
[09:39] <seb128> what about working on having -dbgsym in debian rather than adding -dbg everywhere
[09:39] <seb128> that would not polute the apt index, not use mirror space, etc
[09:40] <pochu> that would be nice, yeah
[09:41] <seb128> in one side nobody cares to spend gigabytes of mirror space to add -dbg
[09:41] <seb128> but on the other side you they split binaries to win some space
[09:41] <seb128> which means you get the mirror use and the apt index pollution for almost no win
[09:42] <seb128> it's not specific against you
[09:42] <seb128> but I don't think that oversplitting makes sense
[09:43] <seb128> if mirror space is really an issue, which I'm not convinced that such small changes are worth the work really
[09:44] <seb128> the arch all,any difference creates installability issues on some arches, make the list of packages harder to browser, slow the apt-get update run, create bugs, etc
[09:46] <seb128> hum, makes me think about something
[09:46] <seb128> pitti: hello!
[09:46] <seb128> pitti: do you think we should discuss filtering the -dbg out since ubuntu is using the -dbgsym variants?
[09:46] <seb128> mvo: or might rather something for you ;-)
[10:46] <pitti> seb128: bonjour
[10:46] <seb128> hey pitti
[10:46] <pitti> seb128: in fact we did that already, and there's a spec for it already
[10:49] <seb128> pitti: ok, good
[10:50] <seb128> pitti: did you get the private directory mount filtering change upstream btw? they rolled a new version and I didn't notice that in the changelog, that the only difference we have over debian
[10:51] <pitti> seb128: no, I didn't get any comment to the upstream bug yet :(
[10:51] <seb128> hum, ok
[10:52] <pitti> seb128: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/debug-package-removal
[10:52] <pitti> seb128: it was tiny, did it cause trouble during upgrade?
[10:52] <pitti> seb128: any other suggestions what I should do about it? ping someone in IRC?
[10:52] <seb128> pitti: no, it's just the difference between a merge and a sync ;-)
[10:53] <pitti> oh, that is a difficulty
[10:53] <seb128> pitti: I'll ping davidz when he's around
[10:53] <pitti> seb128: I can file it to Debian, too
[10:53] <seb128> pitti: don't bother, I don't think it'll disagree on getting that upstream, they just need a little nudge
[10:54] <pitti> ecryptfs-utils is in Debian, too
[10:54] <seb128> s/it'll/they'll
[10:54] <pitti> seb128: I suppose we sync/merge from experimental?
[10:54] <seb128> correct
[10:54] <pitti> seb128: yeah, it's pretty straightforward, and they ignore other fs too
[11:59] <mvo> seb128: hello! filtering it out in what way? remove them during upgrade?
[12:00] <mvo> seb128: aha, nevermind, I just read the backlog (and remembered the spec)
[12:07] <seb128> mvo: I guess that's not so much of an issue for gui users, ie gnome-app-install lists desktop applications rather but still would be nice to not have the confusion and faster apt-get update
[14:40] <mvo> seb128: hello! I requested some syncs on stuff that has your name on the merge list (intltool, libglade2) - just fyi
[14:40] <mvo> (and to avoid duplication of work)
[14:43] <seb128> mvo: alright, thanks
[14:46] <seb128> I should upgrade to jaunty
[16:00] <seb128> pitti: hey ;-)
[16:00] <pitti> asac, ArneGoetje, bryce, seb128: meeting o'clock
[16:00] <seb128> hey mpt rickspencer3
[16:00] <pitti> rickspencer3!
[16:00]  * pedro_ waves
[16:00] <rickspencer3> hi
[16:00] <pitti> rickspencer3: welcome to the craz^Wgreat Ubuntu world!
[16:00] <asac> hi
[16:00] <seb128> hey pedro_
[16:01] <rickspencer3> thanks
[16:01] <asac> pitti: oh ... I have a call in 30 minutes
[16:01] <pitti> asac: np
[16:01] <ArneGoetje> hi
[16:01] <mpt> hi seb128
[16:01] <pitti> Riddell, calc, and Keybuk are on holiday, so small team today
[16:01] <pitti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2008-11-25
[16:02] <pitti> ^ activity reports
[16:02] <seb128> pitti: you are on holidays too according to the canonical website ;-)
[16:02] <pitti> nobody sent in topics, so this will be quick
[16:02] <pitti> @all: yes, the canonical thingy shows me on holiday, because I screwed up and requested holidays from 2008-12-18 to 2008-10-19
[16:02] <pitti> spot the error :)
[16:02] <pitti> two months negative holiday
[16:02] <pitti> aaanyway
[16:03] <seb128> I spot the bug in the software ;-)
[16:03] <asac> haha
[16:03] <pitti> Outstanding actions from last meeting
[16:03] <pitti> Martin to talk to beuno to put the desktop team meeting at the fridge
[16:03] <asac> pitti: thats a good trick for a long-term leave i guess
[16:03] <pitti> -> done
[16:03] <pitti> your evolutions should all display the correct time now
[16:03] <pitti> - Everyone to register their specs and propose for "uds-jaunty" by the end of the week
[16:03] <pitti> I saw quite a lot going past, and I did my best to fit them into the schedule
[16:04] <pitti> so the desktop track is 100% filled now
[16:04] <asac> oh
[16:04] <pitti> did anyone register a spec which hasn't been accepted for UDS yet?
[16:04] <pitti> we have some breakout rooms, if we need
[16:04] <pitti> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/desktop/
[16:05] <pitti> I'm not sure whether you are able to see this already, since it's still preliminary
[16:05] <pitti> so, any last-minute additions from anyone?
[16:05] <seb128> not from me
[16:07]  * pitti takes that as "no" and chalks off the point
[16:07] <pitti> so, next topic
[16:07] <pitti> let's all give rickspencer3 a big hug
[16:07] <pitti> he will be our new boss from December on
[16:07] <pitti> which means he'll take the plunge right into the DX sprint and UDS
[16:07] <rickspencer3> can't wait
[16:08] <pitti> rickspencer3: already excited? :-)
[16:08] <asac> welcome!
[16:08] <seb128> rickspencer3: welcome on board ;-)
[16:08] <ArneGoetje> welcome!
[16:08] <pedro_> welcome rickspencer3!
[16:08] <rickspencer3> thanks, looking forward to meeting everyone
[16:08] <rickspencer3> next week?
[16:09] <pitti> we planned some one-to-one introduction sessions on Friday during fosscamp
[16:09] <pitti> some of you aren't there yet, for those we can do that on Sunday or Monday
[16:09] <asac> i will arrive on Sat evening
[16:09] <pitti> and we'll have a team dinner on Monday probably
[16:09] <asac> i think bryce will arrive on Sunday (not sure when) ... so Monday would fit better i guess
[16:09] <pitti> asac: yeah, that shouldn't be a problem at all
[16:10] <pitti> so, we'll see each other in a week, and nobody sent in any topics, so let's make this meeting quick
[16:10] <seb128> pitti: will we have an IRC meeting next week since you guys are already travelling?
[16:10] <pitti> let's skip the meeting next week
[16:11] <pitti> if there are urgent questions about UDS -> ping me on IRC or mail
[16:11] <seb128> ok good
[16:11] <pitti> my primary concern for this and the remainder of the next week is to finish the intrepid cleanup
[16:11] <ArneGoetje> ok
[16:11] <pitti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/intrepid-updates still has a couple of open issues
[16:12] <pitti> most of them for asac, though
[16:12] <pitti> (enjoyed your holidays? :-)
[16:12] <seb128> right, me too, cleaning the pending desktop sru this week would be nice
[16:12] <seb128> I want to switch my laptop to jaunty next week
[16:12] <pitti> asac: anything we can do to help you finish that this week? testing patches, or debugging something?
[16:12] <asac> hard to say.
[16:12] <bryce> morning
[16:13] <pitti> hey bryce
[16:13] <asac> i will finish those issue for which i have fixes for sure
[16:13] <asac> but there are other issues that have been fixed in upstream tree ... but with huge patches
[16:13] <pitti> seb128: I don't see any which are explicitly assigned to -desktop, can you please walk over the unassigned ones there and assign the ones yuou think are GNOMEish?
[16:13] <pitti> asac: I understand that there are quite a bunch of bugs which already have patches
[16:13] <seb128> looking
[16:13] <asac> so after this round i will see if its possible to SRU the final 0.7 release (which hopefully happens)
[16:14] <pitti> asac: maybe upload them now, and we'll defer the more tricky ones to a followup SRU?
[16:14] <asac> pitti: yes. thats the plan.
[16:14] <pitti> then we can do some intense testing, as long as many of us are still acutally using intrepid
[16:14] <asac> yep
[16:15] <pitti> after UDS, we'll have our head and computers full of jackalopes, I suppose :)
[16:15] <seb128> pitti: nothing really GNOMish in this list
[16:16] <mpt> ~And visions of jackalopes danced in their heads~
[16:16] <pitti> seb128: only bug 204770 still seems to be open for you
[16:16] <pitti> mpt: in my wildest dreams!
[16:16] <kwwii> I think this name was picked to put an end to the mascot-on-the-wallpaper idea
[16:16] <seb128> right
[16:17] <pitti> kwwii: you mean we won't get a real photo this time?
[16:17] <pitti> seb128: is that still the triggers-tracker bug?
[16:17] <kwwii> pitti: I might need to take a few weeks off to find one in the wild west..I'll ask mark for permission :p
[16:17] <seb128> pitti: I think so, it's fixed again in jaunty now, the change is trivial, will get it uploaded to intrepid too
[16:18] <pitti> kwwii: do one of the Yeti, too, for Ubuntu 14.10 (or so)
[16:19] <kwwii> lol, right
[16:19] <pitti> next topic: merges
[16:19] <pitti> we are pretty good, down to 69
[16:19] <pitti> but there are still a couple which belong to our team
[16:19] <pitti> http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html
[16:19] <pitti> please have a look and try to get them done by UDS
[16:20] <seb128> that list is somewhat wrong though
[16:20] <pitti> asac: I can steal your's, since you'll have your heads full of NM SRU, I think; ok?
[16:20] <seb128> now that debian is frozen there is lot of things which are uploaded to experimental
[16:20] <seb128> but they are not listed there
[16:20] <asac> pitti: whats left? ifupdown? and?
[16:20] <seb128> ie, all the GNOME updates
[16:21]  * asac opens merge page
[16:21] <asac> pitti: thanks ... go ahead ;)
[16:21] <pitti> asac: igerman98; should be trivial, will do that
[16:21] <asac> pitti: yes. you can leave ifupdown to me
[16:21] <pitti> asac: shall I do ifupdown, too, or do you want to add magic NM sauce over it?
[16:22] <pitti> alright
[16:22] <pitti> ArneGoetje: are you fine with your three remaining ones?
[16:22] <ArneGoetje> pitti: I think so. will do them tomorrow
[16:22] <pitti> okay, great
[16:22] <pitti> AOB?
[16:23] <seb128> thanks pitti
[16:23] <asac> anyone would volunteer to learn a bit about mozilla?
[16:23] <asac> packaging and procedures?
[16:23] <seb128> asac: why?
[16:23] <asac> i was on vacation and wasnt really either because i appear to be the only one being able to do security updates
[16:24] <seb128> :-(
[16:24] <pitti> asac: in the sense of updating to a new upstream release?
[16:24] <pitti> or in the sense of actually understanding the code?
[16:24]  * pitti has done the former a lot, but not the latter
[16:24] <asac> pitti: yes. how to update the packaging branches. how to produce proper orig.tar.gz
[16:24] <asac> how to QA the stuff
[16:24] <asac> and so on
[16:24] <pitti> hm, that changed quite a lot
[16:25] <pitti> asac: maybe you can document the procedure somewhere, so that we have a recipe, should we need to do it again?
[16:25] <seb128> asac: not me, I've already way too much on my plates and that's not likely a trivial job
[16:25] <asac> pitti: documentation helps. but practice is better ;)
[16:25] <seb128> but what pitti said seems good
[16:25] <asac> i think we have that documented somewhere already. but yeah, thats definitly a requirement
[16:26] <pitti> asac: debian/rules make-orig or so?
[16:26] <pitti> asac: QA> what do you do there, do you have a series of tests (web pages, menu commands, etc.) which you run through?
[16:26] <asac> pitti: we have a get-orig-source rule. but it accepts parameters so you can get special tags/snapshots from CVS and so on
[16:27] <asac> pitti: yes we have tests on a QA wiki page
[16:27] <pitti> I also guess you test reverse dependencies, like epiphany?
[16:27] <seb128> asac: you should teach that to the security team if that's for security updates ;-)
[16:27] <pitti> asac: ah, that sounds good then; so I guess all is necessary is a 10-line README in the source package with some URLs?
[16:27] <asac> pitti: everything should already be there from a documentation point of view. i am just sure that when there is a need to do an update it will take ages
[16:28] <asac> pitti: theoretically yes. in practice sending out a security update needs someone who did that in the past imo
[16:28] <asac> but we can talk about that at UDS
[16:28] <asac> i will not be on holiday till christmas ;)
[16:28] <pitti> asac: right; so a dry run would be beneficial, maybe with the security team
[16:29] <pitti> asac: I figure you could check out an older version and claim that the current one was just released, and update to it as an exercise?
[16:29] <pitti> asac: I think it's worth mailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and planning a firedrill
[16:30] <asac> ok.
[16:31] <asac> thats it on that point
[16:31]  * asac has to join a call now
[16:31] <pitti> thanks for bringing it up
[16:31]  * asac waves
[16:31] <pitti> asac: see you next week! *hug*
[16:31] <pitti> see all of you next week, too!
[16:31] <rickspencer4> thanks
[16:31] <pitti> until then, happy merging, SRUing, and preparing for U.S. immigration :)
[16:32] <pitti> rickspencer4: what happened to Rick the 3rd?
[16:32] <ArneGoetje> thanks
[16:32] <seb128> pitti: thanks, you too
[16:32] <rickspencer4> I had to rejoin, and irc incremented my user name for me
[16:32] <pitti> rickspencer4: look at how unstable seb128's ISP is...
[16:32] <rickspencer4> problem is, rickspencer4 is mu boy
[16:33] <rickspencer4> :o
[16:33] <mpt> mvo, did you get my mail about package management?
[19:10] <yotama9> hi guys. I hope this is the right channel to ask for help. I am trying to make 0my machine to auto play cd's when they are mounted to my machine (and also change those properties) any help?
[19:11] <rlaager> yotama9: You want to be in #ubuntu
[19:14] <yotama9> thanks
[23:24] <espacious> can i still upgrade my feisty 7.04 desktop to maybe 7.10 or 8.04 or maybe eaven 8.10
[23:24] <espacious> update manager hangs.