[00:00] <Teligard> btw, this appeaars to be a long term issue (since mythbuntu 8.10)
[02:03] <mycosys> kev's next silly question - is it wiser to update to 0.23 or 0.24, and then update to lucid, or just do both at once and jump to 0.24 on lucid
[02:05] <Teligard> (I have a question regarding 0.24; is it still suffereing from the live tv playback issues, or have those been patched/fixed?)
[02:05] <mycosys> lil more specific is prolly good?
[02:06] <mycosys> teligard - DONT give a password for mysql, at all, ever
[02:07] <mycosys> will make your life VERY hard
[02:07] <mycosys> just let the installer allocate them
[02:07] <Teligard> I didn't
[02:07] <Teligard> blank password
[02:08] <Teligard> The installer appears to be having issues with setting up mysql
[02:08] <mycosys> ok - it will now be your user password for the root password, the mythtv password can be found in /etc/mythtv/mysql iirc
[02:09] <Teligard> It doesn't add the database or user, causing a fair amount of additional work (that I'm not sure I'm even doing right, as I can't seem to get the backend to connect to the database (localhost, <IP_ADDRESS>, or <IP_ADDRESS>))
[02:09] <Zinn> [<IP_ADDRESS>] arctangent.net
[02:09] <Teligard> driving me nutz, in no small fashion
[02:10] <Teligard> Let me go look at that file
[02:10] <mycosys> i have installed many times and never had that happen
[02:12] <Teligard> Is the password supposed to be encrypted, or?
[02:12] <mycosys> no
[02:12] <mycosys> plaintext
[02:13] <mycosys> is generally randomly generated
[02:13] <Teligard> ok
[02:14] <Teligard> I jus verified it never created the database
[02:15] <Teligard> and never created the user
[02:15] <Teligard> it added the user debian-sys-maint
[02:16] <mycosys> i have installed with 8.04, 8.10 and 9.04 and never had that happen
[02:16] <Teligard> and has the two std information_schema and mysql databases
[02:16] <Teligard> What do you select when starting the install, or do you go with a live distro
[02:17] <mycosys> god, i just select install normally
[02:17] <mycosys> couple of times have needed the like of noapic on some systems
[02:17] <mycosys> not sure what u mean other than that
[02:18] <Teligard> I've been usign a mini ubuntu 10.10, and selecting mythtv-backend and sshserver from the package options
[02:18] <mycosys> oh
[02:18] <Teligard> I'll jsut try it with a normal prefab
[02:19] <Teligard> Trying to keep the packages to a minimum
[02:19] <mycosys> yeah - the problem is you arent selecting the components you need
[02:19] <mycosys> mythtv-master-backend
[02:19] <Teligard> I do selkect that
[02:20] <mycosys> mythbuntu may be wanted
[02:20] <Teligard> I generally select sshserver, LAMP, mythtv-backend, mythtv-backend-master
[02:20] <mycosys> try installing mythbuntu  and mythbuntu control center
[02:20] <Teligard> Wasn't planning to use the frontend, but...
[02:20] <Teligard> k
[02:20] <mycosys> then dont add it, is an option in MCC
[02:21] <mycosys> i would say it will be easier to use the mythbuntu prefab myself
[02:21] <Teligard> do you know if the issue with 0.24 having choppy live tv playback hs been resolved?
[02:21] <Teligard> I'm d/ling it now
[02:21] <mycosys> nope
[02:21] <mycosys> didnt know it had one
[02:22] <mycosys> tho i am still on 0.22
[02:26] <Teligard> Just for reference, this is to which I was referring: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-December/303987.html
[02:26] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] [mythtv-users] 0.24-fixes, upgraded, VDPAU - LiveTV playback is choppy, watching as recording is ok
[02:26] <Teligard> Zinn: we were on the same track
[02:26] <Zinn> Hi Teligard, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[02:26] <Teligard> oops
[02:26] <Teligard> Now I look like an idiot
[02:27] <mycosys> lol
[02:27] <mycosys> reckon that is just an issue with using ion
[02:27] <Teligard> Well, I was going to say that I already looked like an idiot, but hey...
[02:28] <mycosys> ion does not have the kick to do much without vdpau
[02:28] <mycosys> doesnt have the kick to do much in the way of dei-int
[02:28] <mycosys> and doesnt have the kick to decode hd without vdpau
[02:28] <mycosys> so if vdpau fails for whatver reason ur rooted
[02:29] <Teligard> ah, my system doesn't have much kick in general, but I'm trying to get something up, and windows "alternatives" or more bloat than function, imho
[02:30] <mycosys> yep - it was his he was using advanced 2x deintelacing - too much for his machine to handl;e
[02:30] <mycosys> what system do you have?
[02:30] <Teligard> I need to find a cheap, functional PCI video card that can handle output better than my integrated video
[02:30] <Teligard> Dell GX260 (something like that). P4 2.4
[02:30] <mycosys> 8400GS PCI may do it, but may not have the BW for HD without vdpau
[02:30] <Teligard> with integrated video
[02:30] <mycosys> youch
[02:31] <Teligard> yea
[02:31] <mycosys> do you plan on 1080i?
[02:31] <Teligard> That's an understatement
[02:31] <mycosys> cos i prolly wouldnt
[02:31] <Teligard> It struggles with 1080i/720p
[02:31] <Teligard> but can handle std DVD's fine
[02:31] <mycosys> that is why i asked if you plan on it
[02:31] <Teligard> I've been using it with XBMC
[02:32] <mycosys> dyd is 480 or 576
[02:32] <mycosys> *dvd
[02:32] <Teligard> Eventually, yes, but not in the budget right now.
[02:32] <mycosys> huh???
[02:32] <Teligard> the 1080i
[02:32] <mycosys> dvd is 480i of 576i
[02:32] <mycosys> *or
[02:32] <mycosys> oh, ok
[02:33] <Teligard> I was at bestbuy today, and saw something that would work fairly well @ sub 500.00, but don't have cash for it right now
[02:34] <mycosys> apparently while the 8400gs PCI will work for vdpau, PCI doesnt have the bandwidth for sofftware rendering
[02:34] <Teligard> makes sense
[02:34] <Teligard> it's only 66mhz bus, if I remember correctly
[02:34] <mycosys> i was usin a sempron 3400+ single core til recently with gt210
[02:35] <mycosys> now using an athlon 64 x2
[02:35] <Teligard> ah, definately a step up
[02:35] <mycosys> can do a lot cheaper than $500 if you want lol
[02:35] <Teligard> I was looking at the form-factor too
[02:35] <mycosys> not a huge step - a second core
[02:35] <Teligard> and it had hdmi out
[02:36] <mycosys> so does a $25 gt210
[02:36] <Teligard> and that's pci?  I though most gt's and above were atleast agp
[02:36] <mycosys> i admit mine is a full tower - hides nicely behind 56"
[02:37] <mycosys> no, that is PCIe
[02:37] <Teligard> haha, I'm sure
[02:37] <mycosys> just saying that the cheapest of modern desktop machines are fine
[02:37] <Teligard> I need to buy atleast 4
[02:38] <Teligard> and want as small as possible, because I am trying to hide them behind smaller tv's
[02:38] <Teligard> But you certainly make a valid point
[02:38] <mycosys> so hunt down small matx cases
[02:38] <mycosys> use low pro gt210s
[02:40] <mycosys> just how small do they need to be?
[02:40] <Teligard> as small as possible
[02:41] <Teligard> Waht I saw today was a low profile pc
[02:41] <mycosys> small pcs can be a PITA
[02:42] <Teligard> Thinking of having 1 system as a media director, then just head units in teh rooms
[02:42] <Teligard> true, especially working in them, and finding parts
[02:42] <mycosys> nah - keeping em cool ;)
[02:43] <Teligard> ok, that makes sense; denser case
[02:43] <mycosys> antec, silverstone and lian li have great sff cases that use mostly standard parts
[02:44] <mycosys> itx is hard but can be done, matx should be pretty easy but is bigger
[02:44] <Teligard> k
[02:45] <mycosys> cheap will likely be matx
[02:46] <mycosys> a cheap mobo, a low end athlon2, gt210, cheapish case (dont skimp on psu) and can even boot of a CF card if ur keen
[02:46] <mycosys> for the frontends
[02:47] <Teligard> I'm looking now on pricewatch
[02:47] <mycosys> no idea wat that is
[02:47] <mycosys> would look on newegg myself
[02:47] <mycosys> u guys r lucky to hav it
[02:49] <Teligard> It's a single point of reference, and searches multiple vendor sites
[02:49] <Teligard> newegg, amazon, etc
[02:49] <Teligard> check it out if you get the chance
[02:49] <Teligard> can get some good deals
[03:05] <mycosys> not from australia you cant teligard
[03:06] <Teligard> oh
[03:06] <Teligard> I'm in the US
[03:06] <Teligard> sorry
[03:06] <mycosys> lol np
[03:06] <mycosys> we have staticice
[03:06] <Teligard> never heard of it
[03:07] <mycosys> does the same thing for australian sites
[03:26] <Teligard> So, do you know if mythtv supports the TV Wonder 650 PCI
[03:26] <Teligard> looking for the hardware compat list
[03:38] <mycosys> teligard - look at linuxtv
[03:39] <puff> Are there any channels for general discussion of media box hardware?  I want to spec out and build a media box (or two...).
[03:39] <mycosys> anything linuxtv supports, myth supports
[03:39] <mycosys> linuxtv.org
[03:40] <mycosys> puff - i know we do that sort o thing on efnet #desktops - not sure of others
[03:40] <mycosys> we enjoy speccing out all sorts o systems
[03:41] <mycosys> biggest decisions would be what budget, and how small
[03:42] <mycosys> be warned tho - can get a lil blue in there when the guys are vored lol
[03:42] <mycosys> *bored
[03:43] <puff> Heh.
[03:44] <puff> Well, okay...   Form factor is a major factor, I want something that'll be quiet and lowish heat issues, since the TV room doubles as a guest bedroom often.
[03:44] <mycosys> just best to give a warning given this is an ubuntu channel and that sort of thing is very much not allowed lol
[03:44] <mycosys> big is easier to keep quiet generally
[03:44] <puff> I'm on comcast, I want HD, I have a comcast HD/DVR now and it really sucks (you wanna see blue, ask me about comcast...).  I'm thinking of getting an extra converter box or two, so I can record/watch on multiple channels.
[03:44] <mycosys> actuall - the best place for you may be silentpcreview.com
[03:45] <puff> Cool.
[03:45] <puff> Re: form factor, basically I'm looking for something that'll make a good appliance...
[03:45] <mycosys> but i can give a few tips - and one o the guys on #desktops is a major sff nut
[03:45] <puff> SFF?
[03:45] <mycosys> small form factor
[03:45] <puff> On eff #desktops?
[03:46] <puff> Ah, cool.
[03:46] <mycosys> had the smallest 1366 SLI system i have ever heard of
[03:46] <puff> "small" isn't critical, just that I feel/suspect a normal PC case will be obnoxious...
[03:47] <mycosys> the antec fusion/nsk2480 cases are nice, and not hard to keep quiet, and look like they belong in a media setup
[03:47] <mycosys> fusion max will take atx, fusion and nsk2480 are matx
[03:48] <mycosys> silverstone and lian li do some nice cases for the job too, but pricier
[03:48] <mycosys> nsk2480 is a mega bargain for what it is
[03:52] <mycosys> the athlon2 chips are great for the price, but will likely want an aftermarket heatsink for quiet
[03:54] <puff> What about video hardware?
[03:54] <puff> Cable cards, etc?
[03:54] <puff> Somebody recommended the HD Home Run.  Thoughts?
[03:54] <mycosys> i am an aussie lol - we use DVB
[03:55] <puff> Wuzzat?
[03:55] <mycosys> mythtv-users would have some recommendations i am sure
[03:56] <puff> Yeah.
[03:56] <mycosys> i am from australia - we use DVB-T rather than ATSC - our capture hardware is completely different
[03:56] <puff> Ah.
[03:57] <mycosys> wagnerrp on mythtv-users seems to really know his atsc gear
[03:59] <puff> Is that a mailing list?
[03:59] <mycosys> a channel
[03:59] <mycosys> on freenode
[03:59] <puff> Ah, i'll try there.
[05:36] <Guest17579> anyone there, I have found a possible bug/situation what might cause problems when upgrading to 0.24
[05:38] <Guest17579> I just want to make sure that it is documented before 10.10.
[05:41] <Guest17579> The way the external channel change run changed bewteen 0.23 and 0.24. If you have two recordings at the same time, in 0.23 it would tune one, then tune the other. In 0.24 it tries to tune both at the same time. This is a problem if you are running one usb blaster with two channels
[05:41] <Guest17579> We need to add a lock to the script or something
[09:28] <mycosys> guest1759 - would suggest reporting this on mythtv sire, or #mythtv-users
[09:28] <mycosys> is not an ubuntu bug
[10:30] <mycosys> when did upgrading get so easy? going between point releases of redhat used to be the stuff of nightmares
[16:41] <NewBuntu81> Hi All.  Has anyone with an HVR-2250 got the IR blaster to work with Mythbuntu 10.10?
[17:40] <noaXess_netubu> hey all
[17:40] <noaXess_netubu> since last night, i have a time offset of 1 hour in tv listing.. backend/frontend time are ok.. mythfilldatabase re-run done.
[19:08] <tgm4883> noaXess_netubu, is your system time and timezone correct?
[19:12] <noaXess_netubu> tgm4883: jep
[19:14] <noaXess_netubu> are you subscribe to the xmltv-users list? see my post: http://bit.ly/giAYL4
[19:14] <Zinn> [bit.ly] SourceForge.net: XMLTV: xmltv-users
[20:25] <MeraX> hey, I'm looking for something do mixup a stereo sound signal from one application to 5.1 in order to to set the volume of this special application different for each of the 5.1 speakers with pavucontrol (ore some thing like this) (in order to send one stereo signal to one pair of speaker and an other stereo signal to a second pair)
[21:25] <PerfM> yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh budddddy


[01:01] <k1l> guess what: inerkick is back again with his update issue with 12.10
[01:11] <bazhang> super
[01:54] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> What is the problem?
[01:55] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> cannot send to #ubuntu
[01:55] <HFSPLUS> am i still banned from ubuntu rooms even though i retired?
[01:55] <HFSPLUS> from trolling
[01:58] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> All of the agreements morphed.
[01:58] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> This is what the webe's do.
[02:00] <HFSPLUS> rww, surprised? i havent trolled any *buntu channels in a week
[02:00] <HFSPLUS> bazhang, surprised i havent said noo waa in a week ethier
[02:00] <HFSPLUS> ha, i retired from trolling and spreading the gospel of christ
[02:00] <HFSPLUS> now someone tell me if i enter an ubuntu channel am i banned? if i get banned in an ubuntu channel i wont waste my time
[02:00] <HFSPLUS> i know i will test the waters now
[02:01] <HFSPLUS> phunyguy, i see i am still permabanned from ubuntu rooms
[02:01] <phunyguy> was there any doubt?
[02:02] <HFSPLUS> yes
[02:02] <phunyguy> j4s0nmchr1st0s: let me take a look
[02:03] <HFSPLUS> rww	@mark #ubuntu-ops HFSPLUS retired for trolling 4evah
[02:03] <HFSPLUS> look at the logs
[02:03] <HFSPLUS> phunyguy, so am i banned yes or no
[02:03] <HFSPLUS> just tell me so i wont waste time
[02:03] <HFSPLUS> and leave
[02:03] <phunyguy> I quieted you before you said anything hurtful.
[02:03] <phunyguy> that's all
[02:03] <phunyguy> HFSPLUS: ^
[02:03] <HFSPLUS> phunyguy, so if i enter anothor room will you quiet me?
[02:03] <HFSPLUS> yes or no so i wont waste time
[02:04] <HFSPLUS> i wouldnt have said anything bad
[02:05] <phunyguy> j4s0nmchr1st0s: what error are you getting in the channel?  I am trying to find an entry for you
[02:07] <phunyguy> HFSPLUS: your behavior in other channels we are in (aside from ubuntu) is less than ideal.  You are not retired from trolling.  So just stop.
[02:08] <HFSPLUS> phunyguy, whatever man
[02:08] <HFSPLUS> phunyguy, may i recommend
[02:09] <HFSPLUS> thi
[02:09] <HFSPLUS> s
[02:09] <HFSPLUS> and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel mark 1:15
[02:09] <phunyguy> thought so.
[02:09] <HFSPLUS> repent and believe in jesus christ and you will have eternal life
[02:09] <HFSPLUS> dude
[02:09] <popey> please can we remove this lunatic?
[02:09] <HFSPLUS> i just dont care about trolling anymore
[02:09] <HFSPLUS> popey, and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”
[02:09] <phunyguy> I am not an op here
[02:09] <phunyguy> or I would :(
[02:09] <HFSPLUS> i dont care anymore
[02:09] <HFSPLUS> there is nothing more important than repenting and beleiving in jesus christ
[02:09] <Flannel> HFSPLUS: #ubuntu channels are not a place for religious soapboxing.   For their worm will not die And their fire will not be quenched; And they will be an abhorrence to all mankind. isaiah 66:24
[02:11] <HFSPLUS> i actually shocked myself last week and deleted windows 8 and installed ubuntu
[02:11] <HFSPLUS> i cant believe
[02:11] <HFSPLUS> it
[02:14] <HFSPLUS> EXT4 Is the best filesystem ever created, period.
[02:14] <valorie> me either
[02:15] <valorie> linux soapboxing is no more welcome here than religious soapboxing
[02:16] <HFSPLUS> ban me idgaf the gospel of christ is the most important thing ever
[02:16] <valorie> thank you
[02:23] <IdleOne> j4s0nmchr1st0s: what channel are you getting that message in?
[02:25] <phunyguy> nooo waaaaa
[02:29] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> IdleOne: You cannot send messages to #ubuntu.
[02:29] <IdleOne> you are not in #ubuntu
[02:29] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> IdleOne: That explains it.
[02:29] <IdleOne> it would
[02:29] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> would?
[02:30] <IdleOne> s/would/does/
[02:30] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> :)
[02:31] <IdleOne> now you can keep an eye on him
[02:31] <IdleOne> I'm glad I could help
[02:37] <phunyguy> oh it's the 12.10 guy from the other day, no?
[02:37] <IdleOne> might be
[02:38] <IdleOne> they all look the same
[02:38] <phunyguy> he just asked about a quantal repo
[05:30] <phunyguy> handled ^
[05:30] <phunyguy> (btw)
[11:08] <ikonia> hello cristian_c
[11:08] <ikonia> you seemed to find this channel very fast
[11:08] <ikonia> 3 seconds after being muted
[11:08] <ikonia> so what's the issue ?
[11:09] <cristian_c> muted, I've not seen this, I thought kicked
[11:09] <ikonia> you where kicked
[11:09] <ikonia> you still found this channel 3 seconds after being kicked
[11:09] <cristian_c> ikonia, I don't think I can't be helped by users by ben64 fault
[11:09] <ikonia> thats pretty good, it's almost as if you know what to do when you've been kicked
[11:09] <ikonia> cristian_c: you've been repeating the same question over and over for days, you've been helped multiple times
[11:10] <ikonia> you've just called a member of the channel who does nothing but good help - a "known troll"
[11:10] <cristian_c> I've gone offtopic, but I've told to the user to not trust to ben64, a guy I know very well
[11:10] <ikonia> he is not a "known troll" you've just made something up about a long term helper to rubbish his claims that you've been doing this over and over again for days
[11:10] <cristian_c> ikonia, I've been kicked in #ubuntu channel , if i remember, and in other channels too
[11:11] <ikonia> yeah, thats not good then
[11:11] <ikonia> if you are getting kicked from channels - perhaps adjust your attitude and stop calling people trying to help you "known trolls"
[11:11] <cristian_c> ikonia, I can show what I 've asked in these twi days
[11:11] <cristian_c> *two
[11:11] <ikonia> I can see the logs already
[11:11] <ikonia> the channel is publicly logged
[11:11] <cristian_c> ikonia, i'm absolutely sure he is a troll
[11:11] <ikonia> you're totally wrong then
[11:12] <cristian_c> ikonia, I alwaysignore him, so I can solve the problem
[11:12] <ikonia> you are welcome to ignore him
[11:12] <ikonia> he gives excellent advice, that is your loss
[11:13] <ikonia> however the problem kicks in when you are making things up about him and telling others to wrongly ignore him
[11:13] <ikonia> and calling him names such as a known troll
[11:13] <cristian_c> ikonia, I always ignor him, I've adviced only the user
[11:13] <ikonia> no you didn't
[11:13] <ikonia> you called him a "known troll" which is lies, and told the user to ignore him
[11:14] <cristian_c> ikonia, I think mine it's a googd advice to prevent users from be damaged from him
[11:14] <ikonia> then you should not be using this channel
[11:14] <cristian_c> ikonia, I know this user very well
[11:14] <ikonia> the ubuntu channels
[11:14] <ikonia> the user in question has been in the channel a long time and provides nothing but excellent help to users
[11:15] <ikonia> you on the other hand have been unable to follow simple advice nad have been repeating the same question for days
[11:15] <cristian_c> ikonia, I know him and I've seen him in the channel, he bothers users with trolling behaviour, he is not useful for the channel
[11:15] <cristian_c> I can show it
[11:15] <ikonia> I'm well aware of his contribution
[11:16] <ikonia> hence why it is unacceptable to behave as you are doing
[11:16] <cristian_c> I don't want tell lies
[11:16] <ikonia> if you find that sort of contribution to the channel "unhelpful" I suggest you use another channel
[11:17] <cristian_c> ikonia, I don't follow no asdvices from him, because I know he is a troll, sorry but I must defend me from these users
[11:17] <cristian_c> *troll users
[11:17] <ikonia> then you are not welcome in the channel
[11:17] <ikonia> please find another channel if you are unable to not pass comment
[11:17] <cristian_c> ikonia, not this channel that user
[11:17] <cristian_c> *,
[11:17] <ikonia> yes, I understand
[11:18] <ikonia> and if you can't use #ubuntu without keeping your opinion out of the channel, you cannot use the channel
[11:18] <cristian_c> ikonia, ok, but I can show what I've posted in the channel in these two days
[11:18] <ikonia> I'm well aware
[11:18] <ikonia> I have the logs
[11:18] <ikonia> as I've said earlier
[11:19] <cristian_c> ikonia, I've only give a advice to a user for the intervention of ben64, I usually ignore him, from months
[11:20] <ikonia> and you are wrong to do so
[11:20] <ikonia> as I've said 3 times now
[11:20] <ikonia> I don't really want to go over this again
[11:20] <ikonia> here are your options
[11:20] <ikonia> 1.) use #ubuntu and not pass comment on users such as ben64 to anyone at all
[11:20] <ikonia> 2.) find another channel to use
[11:20] <cristian_c> ikonia, I can't agree sincerely, because I directly experienced his behavior
[11:21] <ikonia> ok, then we are done
[11:21] <ikonia> please find another channel to use for your linux/ubuntu support issues
[11:21] <cristian_c> ikonia, sorry, I don't understand exactly the option
[11:21] <cristian_c> if you want I exit from #ubuntu channel
[11:21] <cristian_c> or not
[11:22] <ikonia> yes please.
[11:22] <cristian_c> ok, i think i can do domething to ask other operators or admin
[11:22] <cristian_c> *something
[11:22] <ikonia> sure
[11:23] <cristian_c> I exit from the channel as you 've asked
[11:23] <ikonia> thank you
[11:23] <cristian_c> #ubuntu
[11:23] <cristian_c> done, so the next step
[11:23] <ikonia> errr you where not in #ubuntu
[11:23] <ikonia> I removed you earlier
[11:23] <cristian_c> ok
[11:24] <cristian_c> i've detached the tab
[11:24] <ikonia> great
[11:24] <IdleOne> next step is to part this channel #ubuntu-ops and go on about your business in some other linux help forum
[11:24] <cristian_c> now, I've to understand what guidelines i've to read to ask other operators or admin
[11:24] <cristian_c> IdleOne, why?
[11:25] <IdleOne> because you won't be allowed access to #ubuntu for help
[11:25] <cristian_c> IdleOne, ikonia has said I must not stay in #ubuntu
[11:26] <IdleOne> correct
[11:26] <IdleOne> and I agree with him
[11:26] <cristian_c> IdleOne, ok
[11:26] <cristian_c> I've to ask to other operators and admin
[11:27] <IdleOne> I am an operator
[11:27] <cristian_c> what is the correct procedure to denfend me
[11:27] <cristian_c> ?
[11:28] <ikonia> cristian_c: I'll repeat your options
[11:28] <ikonia> a.) use #ubuntu and do NOT comment to anyone about your opinions of people including ben64
[11:28] <ikonia> b.) find another channel to use
[11:29] <cristian_c> ikonia, so, I've asked to you to understand the option and you've said that I must exit from #ubuntu
[11:29] <cristian_c> ikonia, ok, it seems two different options
[11:29] <ikonia> cristian_c: read the options again
[11:29] <ikonia> choose a.) or b.)
[11:29] <ikonia> there are two options
[11:29] <ikonia> I've just detailed them for you
[11:29] <ikonia> pick one
[11:30] <cristian_c> ikonia, ok, one excludes the other
[11:30] <ikonia> they are two seperate choices
[11:30] <ikonia> pick one
[11:30] <ikonia> they are not up for discussion
[11:30] <cristian_c> ikonia, I thought I have to exit #ubuntu in both the cases
[11:30] <ikonia> cristian_c: pick one
[11:30] <cristian_c> ikonia, ok
[11:31] <cristian_c> ikonia, ok, a is well for me, I can just ignore him and I can make opinions about him and other users in the channel
[11:31] <cristian_c> *can't make
[11:31] <ikonia> cristian_c: pick one
[11:32] <ikonia> they are not up for dicussion, this is the last time I will ask
[11:32] <cristian_c> ikonia, as I said, a) is well for me
[11:32] <cristian_c> ikonia, I've answered to this question already
[11:32] <ikonia> ok - so be aware, if you make comments about users (including ben64) to other users - you will be removed from the channel and not allowed back in
[11:32] <ikonia> clear ?
[11:33] <cristian_c> ikonia, yes, as established
[11:33] <ikonia> right
[11:33] <cristian_c> I think the statement is clear for me
[11:33] <ikonia> I've removed the ban in #ubuntu
[11:33] <ikonia> you can join #ubuntu now
[11:33] <cristian_c> now, can I exit form this channel?
[11:33] <ikonia> good
[11:33] <ikonia> yes, please exit from this channel
[11:33] <cristian_c> one moment, please
[21:41] <rww> jpds: (since you're not in #ubuntu-ops-team): I'm nagging people about ban reviewing, please check your list of #ubuntu bans in BanTracker and remove as appropriate, thanks :)
[23:03] <bazhang> sloantothebone> in cyberspace no one can hear you scream
[23:03] <bazhang> augh
[23:31] <OerHeks> Hi, i am in #ubuntu and got spam message from sinkes in PM
[23:32] <k1l> OerHeks: thanks, i removed that user.
[23:32] <OerHeks> k1l, show gratis (solo hooy) --> http:// etc
[23:33] <OerHeks> Thank you, have a nice day :-)


[05:07] <pitti> Good morning
[05:22] <FJKong> when I am trying to build nautilus from source: I got this: gcc: error: @UNITY_CFLAGS@: No such file or directory
[05:22] <FJKong> guys, any suggestion?
[05:56] <didrocks> morning
[06:50]  * popey sees https://sites.google.com/a/android.com/tools/recent/androidstudio0810released and looks at didrocks
[06:50] <Saviq> Mirv, hey, totally off-topic, I saw you were replying to a thread about tearing in xbmc/sdl in 14.04, that should be fixed in 14.10 already shouldn't it? do you know what I'd need to set up to get vblank on intel?
[06:50] <didrocks> popey: canary channel man! only for my laptop (already updated :p) ;)
[06:50] <popey> ☻
[07:09] <Mirv> Saviq: it's fixed in both 14.04 via SRU and 14.10
[07:09] <Mirv> Saviq: the original problem at least
[07:10] <Mirv> Saviq: and I can confirm it on my 14.04 xbmc + haswell setup
[07:10] <Saviq> Mirv, 14.10, haswell + xbmc here, tearing :/
[07:10]  * Mirv haz tear free, 24p output
[07:10] <Saviq> Mirv, but it might be some configuration issue
[07:10] <Mirv> Saviq: :( might be config sure, too
[07:11] <Mirv> of course, the problem field of tear free video is sufficiently complex to have numerous problem points
[07:11] <Mirv> it's been borken quite a few times
[07:11] <Saviq> hmm glxgears is vblanked at least
[07:11]  * Saviq drops .xbmc
[07:11] <Saviq> Mirv, thanks
[07:13] <Mirv> Saviq: so you go middle of nowhere but get your xbmc with you? ;)
[07:13] <Saviq> Mirv, I've to do *something* there don't I ;D
[07:14] <Mirv> hehe
[07:16] <willcooke> morning folks
[07:17] <Mirv> Saviq: my possibly relevant settings (settings level expert) system | vertical blank sync: always enabled, video | sync playback to display: off (used to be on, was useful to set off in 14.04 to get 24p output), render method: advanced shaders (glsl), decoding method: hw - enabled vaapi + mpeg-4 vaapi
[07:18] <Saviq> Mirv, thanks a bunch
[07:21] <willcooke> what hardware Mirv,saviq?  Or specially, what video hardware
[07:22] <Mirv> willcooke: both have intel haswell. I've 14.04 and all great, Saviq has tearing on 14.10
[07:22] <Saviq> willcooke, haswell, hd4000 or so
[07:22] <willcooke> cool
[07:22] <willcooke> I was playing with vlc and VA api the other day
[07:22] <willcooke> worked nicely, once I'd jumped through some hoops
[07:23] <willcooke> and to that end, I'm planning a session at our sprint to discuss getting HW accel. enabled by default for GStreamer etc
[07:23] <Mirv> my biggest problem on 14.04 was that screen refresh rate didn't change to match the video, but turning that sync playback to display off helped (and I tested that lips seem to still move naturally compared to the speech heard)
[07:23] <duflu> Saviq: Anything that's fullscreen in Ubuntu should get "unredirected" (the same thing that we call "bypass"). In Xorg this also means the app has to do wait-for-vsync. In Mir, we have no such archaic requirement :)
[07:23] <Mirv> willcooke: cool! it's about time to get that enabled everywhere by default.
[07:24]  * willcooke invites Mirv to the session ;)
[07:24] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:24] <willcooke> morning didrocks
[07:24] <willcooke> didrocks, good ideas coming in over G+ last night
[07:24] <Mirv> duflu: I think compiz is probably ok, the regressions happen on x.org server+drivers, libraries when things change. like that SDL saviq originally asked me about.
[07:24] <Mirv> willcooke: ok :)
[07:25] <duflu> Mirv: Well it /should/ tear in fullscreen by design :)
[07:25] <duflu> Unless you disable unredirect in CCSM
[07:25] <didrocks> willcooke: seeing that! loving it. I want that we discuss that more in detail with stuart live, I guess some parts should be on the base platform and not in udtc itself
[07:25] <willcooke> didrocks, excelelnt
[07:25] <duflu> ... or add a blacklist entry.
[07:25]  * duflu now remembers what he did just before leaving the Compiz project
[07:25] <didrocks> willcooke: oh, btw, not sure if you noted, but we start having volonteers and as well a lot of suggestions on the bug tracker: https://github.com/didrocks/ubuntu-developer-tools-center/issues
[07:26] <didrocks> volounteers*
[07:26] <willcooke> didrocks, awesomesauce :)
[07:27] <Mirv> duflu: right, but then the libraries like SDL come into play and handle the syncing
[07:29] <duflu> Mirv: Yeah I call it "archaic" but sometimes useful if used right. I saw a video recently where John Carmack mentioned doing the same thing on the Samsung Oculus project.
[07:30] <duflu> I've been thinking about giving Mir the same archaic "option"
[07:35] <duflu> Although Carmack's hack may only be equivalent to Mir's bypass feature. I don't know Android enough to be sure.
[07:45] <Saviq> Mirv, ha, seems to be something in my session, all's nice and smooth in a guest session
[07:45] <Saviq> Mirv, I can see the UI being quite slow here, not so in the guest session
[07:45]  * Saviq needs a new $HOME
[07:46] <Saviq> hah, so unity being slow maybe is the same problem
[07:51] <duflu> Saviq: Sanity check: Is the dash still transparent/blurred when slow?
[07:52] <Saviq> duflu, it is, but late
[07:52] <Saviq> actually no, not any more, seems fine
[07:52] <duflu> Saviq: I think it would be opaque still if in software mode. But software mode would also explain tearing
[07:53] <duflu> Aha! Software mode
[07:53] <duflu> You have no GPU support
[07:53] <Saviq> duflu, hmm... glxinfo says haswell :/
[07:53] <duflu> Saviq: Yes, but they're different processes. Compiz/Unity7 can choose to use software rendering while clients still probe the DRI implementation
[07:54] <duflu> And in fact clients can still be accelerated while Compiz/Unity is software rendering
[07:54] <duflu> Just not accelerated in composition
[07:54] <Saviq> duflu, right, any way to check why would unity do software? and how to check?
[07:54] <duflu> Saviq: ~/.xsession-errors
[07:55] <duflu> Various users have reported spurious fallbacks to software mode. Not all explained
[07:55] <Saviq> duflu, hmm I might've just fixed it with dconf reset
[07:55] <Saviq> no
[07:57] <Saviq> duflu, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8325328/
[07:57] <Saviq> nothing interesting in .xsession-errors
[07:58] <Saviq> and it seems to have been faster before I launched xbmc
[07:58] <Saviq> like now I'm framedropping when switching workspaces
[07:58] <duflu> Saviq: compiz (core) - Info: Unity is fully supported by your hardware.
[07:58] <Saviq> mind you, I'm on 1920x1080+1920x1200
[07:59] <duflu> Saviq: Yes there are a few long outstanding performance bugs with Unity7 on multimonitor, and generally with the unity-shell plugin
[07:59] <duflu> Just make Unity8+Mir work :)(
[08:01] <Saviq> duflu, indeed
[08:01] <Saviq> duflu, but even if I disable the external monitor, things don't get better :/
[08:02] <duflu> Saviq: I used to have to spend many hours every day to keep up with Compiz/Unity bugs. Now I'm a few years out of date, I know nothing
[08:03] <Saviq> duflu, actually now it did help, might be I need to restart unity to be able to get it in a working state on a single screen
[08:03] <Saviq> no tearing
[08:03] <Saviq> thanks guys
[08:05] <Laney> gooooooooood morning
[08:07] <darkxst> Hey Laney
[08:11] <Laney> yo darkxst
[08:11] <Laney> wie gehts?
[08:12] <darkxst> I'm good
[08:12] <willcooke> hey Laney
[08:12] <didrocks> welcome back Laney!
[08:13] <didrocks> hey darkxst
[08:13] <Laney> hey willcooke et didrocks
[08:13] <darkxst> hey didrocks
[08:13]  * didrocks likes the "et" :-)
[08:13] <Laney> I trust the world broke without my input
[08:13] <didrocks> Laney: how were your holidays? :)
[08:13] <didrocks> Laney: sure, did you plan to take the week-end off? :p
[08:13] <willcooke> Laney, it was a close call with the GStreamer stuff :)
[08:14] <didrocks> oh right, the gstreamer one…
[08:14] <Laney> the one that was something else?
[08:14] <Laney> holidays were nice!
[08:15] <duflu> Saviq: Oh, also Xorg is incapable (by design?) of syncing to vblank on multiple monitors...
[08:15] <Laney> good sun, good beer, food, seaside
[08:15] <duflu> Not sure if that was ever fixed or fixable
[08:15] <Saviq> duflu, yeah, that I knew, I just wasn't able to get no tearing across a single screen
[08:16] <duflu> Saviq: See? Mir is so much better already
[08:17] <didrocks> Laney: enjoyed Portland?
[08:17] <Saviq> duflu, it is!
[08:18] <Saviq> so yeah, seems unity just can't deal with multimonitor on this GPU, either screen is fine, but both leads to degrading performance
[08:20] <Laney> didrocks: it's a fun place
[08:20] <Laney> they have some big cool forested parks
[08:20] <didrocks> oh nice, I didn't stay long enough to see those parks
[08:20] <Mirv> Saviq: note that I have only single screen attached to that haswell mini-itx pc
[08:21] <Mirv> makes things slightly less complicated
[08:21] <Saviq> Mirv, yeah indeed
[08:21] <Saviq> Mirv, managed to get no tearing after all, thanks
[08:22] <Mirv> Saviq: \o/
[08:22] <Mirv> oh, I see
[08:22] <Mirv> restart unity after disconnecting external monitor
[08:48] <marga> Trevinho, after poking my users a little bit, feedback has been very positive, only one has said that they have seen the problem again after installing the packages, but I suspect they hadn't restarted the session.
[08:49] <marga> Trevinho, unfortunately, some of the users report that compiz crashes for them after unlocking. I have a bunch of crash files that I'll look into later today, but could it be that this change makes it more likely that compiz will crash?
[08:52] <Sweetshark> moin
[09:03] <willcooke> hey Sweetshark
[09:07] <Sweetshark> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81861 *sigh* already collecting some fun to look into for Ubuntu 15.04 ...
[09:07] <Sweetshark> willcooke: heya
[09:09] <Sweetshark> (OTOH a really good sign that we get bug reports for something to be released in January 2015 in July 2014 -- really shows that we have decent manual test coverage now).
[09:09] <willcooke> +1
[09:09] <willcooke> :)
[09:10] <Sweetshark> complain early, complain often ;)
[14:57] <willcooke> chrisccoulson, lulz - Chuckle Brothers :)
[14:58] <chrisccoulson> hah :)
[14:59] <willcooke> You know how Apple have these ridiculously photogenic people in their screen shots of the Contacts in an iPhone.  Well I move that Barry & Paul Chuckle should feature on the Ubuntu ones
[15:16] <Laney> I think we should have the desktop team doing their best smouldering
[15:21] <willcooke> Laney, do you have merge rights to the right places? ;)
[15:21] <Laney> My fingers have been known to slip from time to time
[15:24]  * willcooke . . o o O O ( Evil thoughts )
[15:24] <Laney> I've sometimes thought about slipping an easter egg in :-)
[15:24] <Laney> there are people who read the upload diffs though, spoilsports
[15:26] <willcooke> I remember when the desktop wallpaper got changed
[15:26] <willcooke> that was good lulz
[15:50] <Trevinho> marga: there shouldn't be many changes causing crashes, but we might have lose something (or I might, when cherry picking the changes from trunk, as most of them are already in utopic, and we didn't experience many troubles there). Anyway if you've crash files I can look at, it would be nice (although probably they're with no debug symbols).
[15:56] <marga> Trevinho, some are very big crash files.
[15:56] <marga> I'll look into them and tell you if I find anything interesting
[15:57] <Trevinho> marga: I seel, let me know
[16:21] <Sweetshark> Oh seb128, where art thou?
[16:33] <willcooke_> Sweetshark, seb's on holiday, back on Monday
[16:40] <Sweetshark> willcooke_: np, just wondered on how to do the next libreoffice bump. it will work out ;)
[17:02]  * Laney EOWs with an upload of the utopic wallpaper contest winners
[17:10] <willcooke_> Laney, you slipped in the extra one?
[17:11]  * willcooke_ -> EOW.  toodles


[03:32] <xrandr> hello. Does Ubuntu One use the Openstack Cloud software?
[09:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Lighthouse Day! :-D
[16:44] <c^^c^^> Any word of two form factor auth being implemented?
[16:51] <dobey> it's implemented on the web site
[16:52] <c^^c^^> where?
[16:52] <c^^c^^> I'm signed on now to the website
[16:52] <c^^c^^> Personal detailsApplications is all i see
[16:52] <dobey> go to https://login.ubuntu.com and under the "Authentication devices" header at the bottom, select "Always require an authentication device"
[16:53] <dobey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSO/FAQs/2FA
[16:54] <c^^c^^> I wonder if its only for the paid plans
[16:54] <c^^c^^> I don't see Authentication Devices
[16:54] <dobey> uh, no
[16:55] <c^^c^^> http://oi40.tinypic.com/29l1afq.jpg
[16:56] <c^^c^^> i'm at the url you provided
[16:56] <dobey> also 2fa isn't required to log in to login.ubuntu.com, even with 2fa enabled
[16:56] <dobey> c^^c^^: ah, you need to join https://launchpad.net/~sso-2f-testers
[16:57] <c^^c^^> oh is it under beta?
[16:58] <dobey> i guess so
[16:59] <dobey> i don't know
[16:59] <c^^c^^> lol
[17:01] <dobey> anyway, join the team and you can use 2fa
[17:28] <c^^c^^> ah once i joined the team the option appeared
[17:28] <c^^c^^> perfect you're awesome <3
[17:34] <c^^c^^> Wait I don't get it why doesn't it prompt me to auth when I sign in
[17:34] <c^^c^^> what purpose does it serve then
[17:35] <dobey> when you sign in to where?
[17:37] <c^^c^^> ubuntu one
[17:37] <dobey> what url?
[17:37] <dobey> signing in to login.ubuntu.com is not the same as signing in to one.ubuntu.com
[17:38] <dobey> login.ubuntu.com can't require 2fa to log in to it, because of chicken vs. egg
[17:38] <c^^c^^> well one.ubuntu.com when signing in just forwards to login.ubuntu.com
[17:38] <c^^c^^> I thought it would prompt me for 2fa once i signed in
[17:38] <dobey> it should if you set it to "always prompt" on login.ubuntu.com
[17:39] <c^^c^^> oh i see
[17:39] <c^^c^^> thanks now it is
[17:40] <dobey> with that set, any site that uses login.ubuntu.com to let you log in, should result in you getting asked for a 2fa key
[17:41] <c^^c^^> yeah I didn't realize there was an option that must be turned on to require it
[17:41] <c^^c^^> -for each login
[17:41] <c^^c^^> sorry
[20:22] <irc4> can anyone scroll up and give me the launchpad url
[20:22] <irc4> for 2 form factor auth
[20:23] <irc4> nvm i got it