 :D
[18:01] <MrHappyPanties> OMG he is a vegetarian!!!
[18:01] <Sephy_> That tweet was horrible! xD
[18:01] <Moondeck> fck you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:01] <Guest68889> april's fool
[18:02] <soulwazah> april fools XD
[18:02] <nik90> lol jono vegetarian!!! u kidding? ..
[18:02] <Moondeck> can i ask you about ubuntu?
[18:02] <Moondeck> ????
[18:02] <Moondeck> can i ask you about ubuntu?
[18:02] <Moondeck> can i ask you about ubuntu?
[18:02] <Moondeck> can i ask you about ubuntu?
[18:02] <cyber> use google -.-
[18:02] <rho___> ^_^
[18:02] <k1l> Moondeck: behave in here
[18:02] <L1ntux> bla bla april ^^
[18:02] <techman246> QUESTION: what you seemed to enjoy the ubuntu project
[18:02] <skrdz1984> do not irritate
[18:02] <rho___> jaj
[18:02] <k1l> Moondeck: preface your question with QUESTION then ask what you want
[18:02] <davidcalle_> But think about all the money!
[18:03] <wo0f> lol
[18:03] <diabolik> when is ubuntu for android out ?
[18:03] <ham_baguette> hes quittin??? i dident read it on OMGUbuntu??
[18:03] <Guest68889> QUESTION: when will the mobile devices with Ubuntu touch be ready???
[18:03] <leedev> Bacon, I love you hahahahhahaha
[18:03] <akiva-mobile> april fools
[18:04] <rho___> XD
[18:04] <Dhiraj> Can I remove Opensuse which i used as base, I mean I install Ubuntu 13.10 on it , Now I wan't to remove Opensuse, can I do it without getting affected my Ubuntu ? :)
[18:04] <techman246> i hope
[18:04] <ham_baguette> Dhiraj: I think you have to put QUESTION first
[18:04] <techman246> i hope this is all a sick joke
[18:04] <ham_baguette> then ask
[18:04] <ham_baguette> :)
[18:04] <lud> yeah yeah its april 1st .....
[18:04] <morchan> 1
[18:04] <ham_baguette> doesnt mark have a webcam in your office?
[18:05] <rho___> play something with the guitar man! ^_^
[18:05] <morchan> nice
[18:05] <mhall119> the biggest problem with rick is his fancy suits and cigars
[18:05] <Sundu> hi
[18:05] <Dhiraj> Can I remove Opensuse which i used as base, I mean I install Ubuntu 13.10 on it , Now I wan't to remove Opensuse, can I do it without getting affected my Ubuntu ? :)
[18:05] <Sundu> hello
[18:05] <ham_baguette> Dhiraj: YOu have to put QUESTION then your question
[18:05] <L1ntux> hmmm new humble bundle but not linux support......
[18:06] <Sephy_> QUESTION: CAn you stop this april folls nonsense? ^^
[18:06] <davidcalle_> Be honest, you are a Microsoft mole, the too perfect beard, the fancy glasses....
[18:06] <rho___> jajajaj +1: <Sephy_> QUESTION: CAn you stop this april folls nonsense? ^^
[18:06] <DavidWonderly> He is missing the turtleneck
[18:06] <ham_baguette> QUESTION: i dididnt read this on techrights or OMG???? Y U LEAEING
[18:06] <wo0f> QUESTION Will Nginx be the default webserver now it's in the official 14.04 repo?
[18:06] <Guest81458> ?is the rumor true that you are actually Bill Gates and Steve Jobs love child?
[18:06] <zee> QUESTION do you think ubuntu will be looking into expansion into tablets ?
[18:07] <MrHappyPanties> QUESTION: Just be frank with us, Marks beard if a fake right!
[18:07] <techman246> did the stream die for anyone else?
[18:07] <rho___> QUESTION 4 REAL: Why the touch icons sources are not available?
[18:07] <zonovroman> I don't understand some things with API. I want to use ContentHub in my app, but it isn't work in SDK and when I test app on phone. What I'm doing wrong?
[18:07] <pebs74> QUESTION: What Linux distro. would you recommend? Would you recommend anything other than Linux? Cheers!
[18:08] <Dhiraj> Linux is replacing Windows in huge...
[18:08] <wo0f> lol
[18:08] <Erik__> A kitten will make you feel better.
[18:08] <snwh> :D
[18:08] <techman246> awwe
[18:09]  * mhall119 hopes he's not getting promoted to "management"
[18:09] <cayzar> If the desktop is dead, what is the furture of ubuntu?
[18:09] <Guest68889> QUESTION: when will I be able to purchase a mobile phone with Ubuntu on it???
[18:09] <rharta> Hi! I am about to decide between windows 8 and ubuntu 14.04. Please convice me to choose ubuntu :)
[18:09] <Guest81458> LOL
[18:09] <DavidWonderly> You're missing the love child of the WOZ and RS
[18:09] <fagan> Hey all
[18:09] <soulwazah> .
[18:09] <soulwazah> .
[18:09] <soulwazah> .
[18:09] <soulwazah> .
[18:09] <soulwazah> .
[18:09] <soulwazah> .
[18:09] <soulwazah> .
[18:09] <pentarex> QUESTION: What do you think about the NSA spying and all of the other stuff that SNOWDEN dropped and left? Did you think this was the way to say it and the chaos he made...
[18:09] <rho___> XD XD
[18:10] <Sephy_> SERIOUS QUESTION: Can you stop now? It's really annoying.
[18:10] <L1ntux> QUESTION: What you think about the bugs in Multidisplay usage? Browser on the Second Display stop playing in Fullscreen, when i click on the other Display. And some Steam Games run only in the Middle of the Display. Is it an bug from the Ubuntu Side?
[18:10] <Dhiraj> Please recommend some course which could make me successful in Linux Industry
[18:10] <akiva-mobile> QUESTION: Ubuntu Desktop Sound Themes have remained the same for quite some time, and despite the occassional plan dropped to have them replaced, they have stuck around. Are there any plans to do new desktop sounds?
[18:10] <DavidWonderly> QUESTION: Can we give up on Mir now?
[18:10] <fagan> I have a neck beard right now
[18:10]  * davidcalle_ scratchs neck
[18:10] <cayzar> Question: If the desktop is dead, what is the future of Ubuntu? are tablets really going to be as big as desktops?
[18:10] <zonovroman> QUESTION: When UT will drop support for maguro, manta and grouper?
[18:10] <snwh> bacon question time should be like this everytime
[18:10] <cayzar>
[18:10] <cayzar>
[18:10] <cayzar>
[18:10] <cayzar>  Question: If the desktop is dead, what is the future of Ubuntu? are tablets really going to be as big as desktops?
[18:10] <akiva-mobile> QUESTION: Will the ubuntu sounds be unison across the platforms?
[18:11] <akiva-mobile> QUESTION: Any competitions for ubuntu ring tones?
[18:11] <fagan> This is going to be spliced and turned into a sound board and played everywhere
[18:11] <fagan> and lol did he just fart
[18:11] <Guest81458> Question: Can you confirm that Linus stole the Linux Kernel from Steve Balmer and that Steve Balmer is the most under appreciated technical genius in the universe?
[18:11] <lud> QUESTION red or brown sauce ...
[18:11] <Sephy_> I'm out. You are draging this out to far. See you next time.
[18:12] <ham_baguette> QUESTION: How do I instaLL the Ubunity on Windows???
[18:12] <Guest81458> lol Win 98
[18:12] <fagan> Windows 98 is best 98
[18:12] <techman246> OKAY THATS A JOKE WINDOWS 98 LOL
[18:12] <rho___> QUESTION! Lannister or Stark?
[18:13] <Mikkl> QUESTION: Really Windows 98 or Windows 98 SE?
[18:13] <nolife> Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow !
[18:13] <Crokeva> How much workers you have?
[18:13] <Guest68889> I have an iphone - it sucks ballz
[18:13] <ham_baguette> I have ifone its ok!!
[18:14] <rho___> +2, again, jajaja <Sephy_> SERIOUS QUESTION: Can you stop now? It's really annoying.
[18:14] <akiva-mobile> *Facepalm* is it april 2nd anywhere yet?  HELP!!!!!
[18:15] <Crokeva> QUESTION: How much workers you have?
[18:15] <Guest77998> QUESTION: Could you please send me the bank account where I pay for buying canonical? Lost it along my millions of dollars
[18:15] <cayzar>
[18:15] <cayzar>
[18:15] <cayzar>
[18:15] <cayzar>
[18:15] <cayzar>
[18:15] <cayzar> Question: will the ubuntu phones be available in the USA?
[18:15] <nolife> Is this live thing real or just a fake playback ?
[18:15] <Crokeva> QUESTION: How much workers you have?
[18:15] <fagan> I love bugs
[18:15] <techman246> no i think its live
[18:15] <techman246> because he is talking about people in the chat
[18:16] <ham_baguette> QUESTION: I have keyboard with bug having keys i tap keyboard but keys stick and on screen is a keyboard. Can I help??
[18:16] <zonovroman> What do you think about Crimea and Russian "occupation"?
[18:16] <Crokeva> QUESTION: How much workers you have?
[18:16] <vedranius> Hey Jono
[18:16] <zonovroman> QUESTION: What do you think about Crimea and Russian "occupation"?
[18:16] <vedranius> read this: http://translate.google.hr/translate?sl=hr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=hr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linuxzasve.com%2Fvlada-rh-potpisala-ekskluzivni-ugovor-s-canonicalom
[18:16] <DavidWonderly> Got ya ;)
[18:16] <pentarex> thank you for the response :) I dont know if you are pranking today, but that was the thing I was thinking also.
[18:16] <vedranius> tho, it's translated with google from Croatian
[18:16] <Crokeva> vedranius koji je to kurac
[18:17] <rharta> Hi! I am about to decide between windows 8 and ubuntu 14.04. Please convice me to choose ubuntu :)
[18:17] <Crokeva> vedranius koji kurac
[18:17] <akiva-mobile> ;_; I hope he does a real one after this :P
[18:17] <vedranius> kaj?
[18:17] <Crokeva> kad je to potpisano
[18:17] <fagan> rharta: Well its a lot cheaper thats a start
[18:17] <vedranius> ma 1. April čovječe
[18:17] <nolife> I have the same chair as you ! Isn't it good ?
[18:17] <leedev> scoes?
[18:18] <Steam4Mac> QUESTION: Why the hell is Ubuntu equivalent to windows BOB ?
[18:18] <snwh> :D
[18:18] <akiva-mobile> QUESTION: When did it sink in that your google tech talk slides should have not had so many Chuck Norris Jokes
[18:18] <ham_baguette> QUESTION: I have keyboard issue with keyboard an you doesnt reply!!!!!!!
[18:18] <Crokeva> http://www.linuxzasve.com/vlada-rh-potpisala-ekskluzivni-ugovor-s-canonicalom
[18:18] <Spirinox> QUESTION: Ubuntu got buy by Microsoft, right?
[18:18] <Crokeva> QUESTION: How much workers you have?
[18:19] <akiva-mobile> Spirinox, it was facebook.
[18:19] <airurando> very very funny
[18:19] <akiva-mobile> Crokeva, I think its like 700 :P
[18:19] <vedranius> http://translate.google.hr/translate?sl=hr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=hr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linuxzasve.com%2Fvlada-rh-potpisala-ekskluzivni-ugovor-s-canonicalom :D
[18:19] <rharta> fagan: Thanks. It is already on my laptop. But something is missing i feel so :)
[18:19] <Crokeva> akiva, thank you!
[18:19] <Dhiraj> https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8652918825383194983#overview/src=dashboard
[18:20] <akiva-mobile> Crokeva, That is what I am here for :P
[18:20] <d0od> QUESTION: Canonical? More like Canonicant, ammirite, Jono?
[18:20] <leedev> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Linux
[18:21] <Marechal> QUESTION: When will Ubuntu overcome the lack of drivers for video cards?
[18:21] <snwh> d0od, perhaps Cantonical
[18:21] <ahayzen_> QUESTION: As a company with a large amount of its workforce working from home, how do you as a company ensure that people are actually doing their work and what hours they have been working. Do you for example have a sign in/out, daily standups or task based performance?
[18:21] <Spirinox> QUESTION: can you confirm me that SOAD is on of the best metal group?
[18:21] <Spirinox> ONE*
[18:21] <Marechal> QUESTION: When will Ubuntu overcome the lack of drivers for video cards?
[18:23] <Spirinox> Marechal soon maybe, with all that steam box thing
[18:23] <TooLazyToChangeM> Question:  I heard that you were getting a new job at the Bruce Jenner school of self identity ... can you elaborate on your new role?
[18:23] <Spirinox> QUESTION: Can I irritate you? Or do the sign applies to me too?
[18:24] <Erik__> what bands do you like?
[18:24] <Crokeva> Thank you!
[18:24] <cayzar> Question: will the ubuntu phones be available in the USA?
[18:25] <Crokeva> I'm not asking the same question, its lagging , you responded to my question after 10min and everyone think its not live cuz of lagging. My speedtest is good, 40 DL 5 UL
[18:25] <fagan> cayzar: Id put my money on it. Like I know about the same as you but id say they would be missing out if they didn't ship a phone to the US
[18:26] <pulu90> QUESTION: What do you like about doing Bad Voltage and what do you think about people you do it with?
[18:26] <funkiepie> you could get computer porn in the 80's if you looked hard enough :)
[18:26] <davidcalle_> The easy way would have been to build huge desks...
[18:26] <akiva-mobile> QUESTION: What will the ubuntu notification sound like on the ubuntu phone. Try to make the sound with your mouth.
[18:26] <akiva-mobile> yes
[18:27] <zonovroman> QUESTION: Can I take your job in Canonical? And when? Zonov Roman's Q&A...sounds great)
[18:27] <fagan> zonovroman: I welcome my new zono overlord
[18:28] <L1ntux> QUESTION: Any infos about Ubuntu Phone sale in Germany?
[18:29] <RogerCarder> Question Bad Voltage rocks....Guitar yes but don't smash it to bits tonight. Watching via my Commodore Amiga!!
[18:30] <funkiepie> RogerCarder knows you could get computer porn in the 80's :)
[18:30] <Spirinox> QUESTION: will you play the guitar on air today? (sorry if question already asked)
[18:30] <techman246> QUESTION; what do you think about cryptocurrencies and the IRS?
[18:30] <akiva-mobile> Spirinox, only if he plays it with his tongue
[18:30] <bin_bash> who is this jono bacon homo
[18:31] <ghhh> English is not the best language. even latin is better
[18:31] <bin_bash> english is the best
[18:32] <funkiepie> I'm so old I remember Jono having an English accent
[18:32] <Karmix> QUESTION:  Could we open your next keynote with this?  Could we invite Bradley?
[18:32] <d0od> QUESTION: China's behaviour in the East and South China Seas raises questions in many of its neighbours' minds about the validity of their international policy.  I kind of wish they'd just use powershell.
[18:39] <bin_bash> lolwat
[18:39] <snwh> bin_bash, well i think jono is basically saying waht I would
[18:39] <zonovroman> Thank you, akiva-mobile.  You're all secretly apple fanbois. Busted, bro.
[18:44] <apis> Uggggh, I know that this is a April Fools Day joke, but its still painful to watch, I want nice Jono back.
[18:44] <jochenh> Question: All the Android ports for Ubuntu Phone are not working right now (because of flipped ports), are there plans to change this?
[18:44] <snwh> good riddance
[18:44] <snwh> that beard sucks
[18:44] <bin_bash> I have a seruious question
[18:44] <Fichtner> AM I THE ONLY PERSON WHO USES PROPRIETARY DRIVERS ON UBUNTU?
[18:44] <techman246> QUESTION: what are you drinking beer or soda?
[18:44] <DavidWonderly> QUESTION: Will you play at my wedding reception in July?
[18:44] <pipework> jono: What was the most frustrating thing about working for Canonical? Does Shuttleworth have bad B/O?
[18:44] <bin_bash> QUESTION: Do you think that Amazon will buy canonical
[18:44] <fagan> Fichtner: I use them too :P
[18:44] <zonovroman> QUESTION: Why I'm so "lucky"? I bought Nexus 10 (yes, manta pokemon), and soon Canonical will drop it's support. I have a laptop, but NVIDIA dropped my videocard support and laptop is too buggy to...use Ubuntu SDK! And Jono, you're best! Was best Community Manager...from now I'm Community Manager;)
[18:44] <bin_bash> And then sell Ubuntu Hardware
[18:45] <Aut0Exec> QUESTION: wtf?
[18:45] <cayzar> Question: Will Ubuntu become as intuative as Mac and surpass it?
[18:45] <beard_of_omens> QUESTION: if you do not work on open source any more does that mean that you haev to go back to life of stealing pastys?
[18:45] <bin_bash> I'm loved by everyone, Jono
[18:45] <micah2> yeah, this is weird, I miss nice Jono.
[18:45] <Aut0Exec> bin_bash: ohai
[18:45] <Aut0Exec> :)
[18:45] <Aut0Exec> your here
[18:45] <akiva-mobile> QUESTION: I keep getting nosebleeds. When does Canonical plan to address this security flaw?
[18:46] <neoelemento> Back to music? OSX song for example? :D
[18:46] <apis> Serious Question: Can we have 30 seconds of nice Jono at the end?
[18:46] <bin_bash> akiva-mobile: that is a very good question.
[18:46] <neoelemento> like 'free software song'?
[18:46] <Fichtner> I think we should go back to Windows 3.1
[18:46] <Markcortbass> QUESTION= Will Ubuntu Phone have content of the Firefox OS store? Is it difficult to get the HTML5 code for Ubuntu Phone OS?
[18:46] <bin_bash> QUESTION: Is Mark Shuttleworth involved secretly with Steve Ballmer in plans to create Ubuntu for Apple?
[18:47] <apis> QUESTION=Do you like homebrewed beer?
[18:47] <fagan> Hahahah salad dodgers
[18:47] <fhf> QUESTION: Have you ever drunk Ubuntu Cola < http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Ubuntu_Cola_white_background.jpg/419px-Ubuntu_Cola_white_background.jpg >
[18:47] <Marechal> QUESTION: Could Ubuntu be a way to expand the access of technology in poor countrys?  And try Windows ME - perfect stability!
[18:53] <Guest6387> windows 8.1 vs ubuntu?
[18:53] <akiva-mobile> winme is actually open source :P
[18:53] <snwh> C'mon Windows 2000
[18:53] <neoelemento> Who is replacing you in Ubuntu band?
[18:53] <Anon7-2521> QUESTION: If Facebook won't buy Canonical, do you think there is any hope for closing the Ubuntu source permanently so it can be as amazing as OS X?
[18:53] <simion314> did something happened ? why is jono upset? just ignore the haters, if Arch done any of the things Ubuntu those  everyone would praise them
[18:53] <micah2> Windows 2000 was solid
[18:54] <snwh> QUESTION: re Thinkpads, trackpoint or touchpad?
[18:54] <akiva-mobile> snwh, trackpoint, trust me :P
[18:54] <snwh> akiva-mobile, duh
[18:54] <zonovroman> QUESTION: Did you play ever in zBird - Ubuntu Touch clone of Flappy Bird?
[18:54] <Guest6387> ubuntu always have problems with stability and drivers.. is there any hope?
[18:55] <akiva-mobile> snwh, lol I disabled my touchpad
[18:55] <Anon7-2521> QUESTION: If we get rid of Richard Stallman can we get rid of the GPL?
[18:55] <akiva-mobile> NOOOOO
[18:55] <EFixxJ8PL3ignNlq> question: can you read my nick?
[18:55] <d0od> Fuck sake
[18:55] <jiimyjames> LoL
[18:55] <Malizor> YOU DON'T SAY?
[18:55] <akiva-mobile> I feel betrayed
[18:55] <fagan> WHAT!? That was a joke?
[18:56] <fagan> Im shocked and appalled
[18:56] <jiimyjames> I was about to format and install win 7
[18:56] <Markcortbass> Lol XD Mark Shuttleworth was Bin_Bash!  Are there any plans to do new desktop sounds?
[18:58] <zonovroman> QUESTION: Did you play ever in zBird - Ubuntu Touch clone of Flappy Bird?
[18:59] <Anon7-2521> I have a legit question actually
[18:59] <Fichtner> ARE YOU EXCITED FOR THE NEW LTS?
[18:59] <popey> bin_bash: keep it civil
[18:59] <Guest6387> ubuntu always have problems with stability and drivers.. is there any hope?
[18:59] <jiimyjames> QUESTION you guys ganna do a enterprise I think you should
[18:59] <cayzar>  Question: If the desktop is dead, what is the future of Ubuntu? are tablets really going to be as big as desktops?
[18:59] <ReiPele> QUESTION: What if Cannonical have bought Oculus VR?
[18:59] <L1ntux> QUESTION: Why is my Cat sitting in front of my Monitor and watching your Stream :D
[18:59] <Anon7-2521> QUESTION (LEGIT QUESTION): Is unity around for a while?
[18:59] <snwh> Hewlitt
[18:59] <bin_bash> I'm not an actual homophobe I just want everyone to know
[19:00] <akiva-mobile> QUESTION: Any competitions for ubuntu ring tones?
[19:00] <Fichtner> ME TOO!
[19:00] <zonovroman> Is was first conversation with you for me - you're good man!)
[19:00] <mhall119> L1ntux: cats love bacon
[19:00] <akiva-mobile> QUESTION: Will unity7 be in 14.10?
[19:00] <DJones> bin_bash: Thats not reallt something the ubuntu channels need to knw
[19:01] <Guest6387> ubuntu always have problems with stability and drivers.. is there any hope?
[19:01] <bin_bash> felt it was important since I was playing a part a bit earlier, DJones
[19:01] <akiva-mobile> QUESTION: What will the HUD be like on ubuntu-phone? Will it be there at all?
[19:01] <techman246> can we use this video cast on soundboards?
[19:01] <ubuntufan94> QUESTION: will the 14.04 requirements be similar to 12.04?
[19:01] <zonovroman> And thank you for your opinion. It is very important for me.
[19:01] <davidcalle_> Thanks Jono, looking forward to the first Zono Q&A :)
[19:01] <L1ntux> rofl @<mhall119>
[19:01] <techman246> im using it
[19:01] <akiva-mobile> o_o
[19:01] <fagan> thanks jono
[19:01] <pulu90> oh that was sweet :D
[19:01] <fhf> hahaha this was amazing QA
[19:01] <fagan> later all
[19:01] <Anon7-2521> Thank you!
[19:01] <akiva-mobile> ah swell
[19:01] <Fichtner> See y'all next week
[19:01] <sam___> Did u Apologized  To RMS yet ?
[19:02] <ham_baguette> verio has stopped
[19:02] <ham_baguette> QUESTION: vidio has stopped
[19:02] <jono> thanks, all!
[19:03] <bin_bash> thanks jono!
[19:04] <fhf> thanks guys I just wish I could have watched this all
[19:04] <fhf> it all*
[19:04] <bin_bash> fhf: same i came late to the game
[19:04] <bin_bash> i think it'll be on youtube though
[19:06] <ham_baguette> is video stop??
[19:06] <bin_bash> ya
[19:12] <fhf> ham_baguette its over sadly :(
[19:14] <wutwut> wut
[19:15] <fhf> wut
[19:16] <Adict> I do
[19:17] <Adict> :-D
[19:18] <Adict> very bad acting :-D
[19:32] <snippy> can see you
[20:06] <Marlinc> 😃


 No, I'm not.
[05:57] <crimsun> nalioth is, as is rob
[05:57] <mhz> crimsun: oh, okis
[05:57] <mhz> good to know
[05:57] <mhz> those are their nicks?
[05:57] <crimsun> yes
[05:58] <mhz> thx, a lot
[05:58] <crimsun> np :-)
[05:59] <mhz> crimsun: know if Seveas is from FN?
[05:59] <Burgundavia> mhz: no, he is not
[06:00] <mhz> Burgundavia: oh, good. thx, too.
[06:53] <jsgotangco> mhz: you can also look for HedgeMadge
[06:53] <crimsun> she stepped down from staff in the short run
[06:53] <jsgotangco> ahh
[06:55] <mhz> okis, jsgotangco thx
[06:56] <mhz> jsgotangco: i wathced ESPN and I thought I would see ya on TV
[06:56] <jsgotangco> err?
[06:57] <mhz> yeah, XGames in Guadalumpur
[06:57] <mhz> or something like that
[06:58] <jsgotangco> Kuala Lumpur
[06:58] <jsgotangco> that's like 3 hours away from me by plane
[06:58] <jsgotangco> :P
[06:58] <mhz> oooh, not that close
[06:58] <jsgotangco> but yeah XGames qualifiers are always done in KL probably beside the Petronas Towers
[06:59] <mhz> very nice guys doing very difficult stuff
[06:59] <mhz> indedd
[06:59] <jsgotangco> its always humid there
[06:59] <jsgotangco> i sometimes go there for holiday or if i have money to splurge for F1
[07:02] <Burgundavia> hey ogra, jsgotangco
[07:03] <jsgotangco> hey
[07:03] <mhz> as usual?
[07:04] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:06] <mhz> jsgotangco: :)
[07:27] <mhz_zZzZ> jsgotangco: buona notte
[08:48] <iGotNoTime> hello I have a question about Edubuntu... in multimedia systems selector can both the input and output of the audio tab be set to ALSA?
[08:49] <crimsun> yes, but both default to alsa already.
[08:49] <crimsun> autoselect -> alsa, oss, null  (in that order)
[08:49] <iGotNoTime> well I adjusted my mixer and both volume and mic input work
[08:49] <iGotNoTime> however in the systems selector I click test the mic and it freezes
[08:50] <crimsun> 'it' being...?
[08:50] <iGotNoTime> also in sound recorder when I play a file it is ok but when I record it freezes too
[08:50] <iGotNoTime> the menu
[08:50] <iGotNoTime> the software
[08:51] <iGotNoTime> yet I can hear the mic when I allow mic monitoring
[08:51] <crimsun> ok, in M.S.S., change the default audio source
[08:51] <crimsun> choose custom
[08:51] <iGotNoTime> ok to what?
[08:51] <iGotNoTime> any suggestion?
[08:52] <crimsun> then in the text entry box, type: alsasrc device=plughw:0
[08:52] <iGotNoTime> sorry for being ok
[08:52] <iGotNoTime>  :)
[08:52] <crimsun> then click Test
[09:40] <RichEd_> question anyone: is it "normal" in an edubuntu install to get a blank screen with just two while blocks []  at about 60% of the way through "select & install software" ... for 5 -> 10 mins before the CD drive ejects and you get the boot menu ?
[09:40] <RichEd_> white <- while :P
[09:47] <jsgotangco> errr
[09:47] <jsgotangco> did you do the install using the livecd?
[09:50] <jsgotangco> no that's not normal btw
[09:50] <RichEd_> hi ... installed from 6.06 ...
[09:53] <jsgotangco> its probably your display adapter acting up
[09:53] <RichEd_> could be my "unusual" set up ... HP notebook without internal CD ... so I was plugged into docking station with CD and external monitor ...
[09:53] <jsgotangco> it'll just black out for a few seconds when the display adapter is configured if you installed it with the text install
[09:53] <jsgotangco> but the install went fine?
[09:53] <RichEd_> was not just a few secs :) at 1:00 am this morning I figured it was a hard hang ... had to hold my power off for 15 secs to get a shutdown
[09:53] <RichEd_> 90% of the way complete this morning ... now at the GRUB screen ...
[09:53] <RichEd_> (was a bit more patient this morning, but almost thought there was a problem again)
[09:53] <jsgotangco> did you burn the cd or used a pressed one?
[09:53] <RichEd_> Spanking new Official CD ... from JaneW's store :)
[09:53] <jsgotangco> well either of the two did you check if the cd is good?
[09:54] <jsgotangco> yeah the pressed one has a higher chance of having a good install
[09:54] <RichEd_> I will try that when complete ... the check CD option ...
[09:54] <jsgotangco> but installing from a liveCD shouldn't take more than an hour after partitioning
[09:54] <RichEd_> My guess is that the display stuff is configured at around 60%, wasn;t 100% okay for my display setup - and then I did not see any more progress update while the ramining 40% completed
[09:55] <jsgotangco> because it just copies stuff
[09:55] <jsgotangco> ahh
[09:55] <jsgotangco> oh okay so you mean you reinstalled again when you thought it failed right?
[09:55] <RichEd_> yeah ... and seems okay now ... at GRUB
[09:56] <RichEd_> but did have a panic after hard reboot ... cannot load operating system ... thought my XP install was gone
[09:57] <RichEd_> (new XP no data - but OEM for which I have no CD) but went back into Edubuntu install & fiddled with NTFS partition ... and set to bootable
[09:57] <jsgotangco> yeah that can be hairy
[09:58] <RichEd_> may freak out a newbie Windows to Linux convert ... luckily I remembered some partition stuff from my DOS FDisk days ... (about 15 years ago :)
[09:58] <jsgotangco> the graphical installer does need some work on the partitioning part
[09:58] <jsgotangco> its part of the TODO for this cycle
[09:59] <RichEd_> and this brought up an issue we must look at ... if someone is relying on online help, and, and has only 1 PC, and then gets it into an unbootable state ... how do they look for forum help ?
[09:59] <jsgotangco> yeah its been brought up before
[10:00] <jsgotangco> i think what would be nce is to have a printable quick install page
[10:00] <jsgotangco> the current one is rater terse since it was taken from upstream
[10:00] <RichEd_> yep ... especially one that says: if you have only one PC ... PRINT THIS document before you start :)
[10:01] <RichEd_> with the panic issues addressed in easy FAQ style ...
[10:01] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:01] <jsgotangco> all appliances do have a simple troubleshooting page
[10:01] <jsgotangco> and the cover sleeve itself needs to have it indicated as well i guess
[10:02] <RichEd_> again ... need to encourage the installee to print ... maybe in hitchhikers guide style large friendly letters :)
[10:03] <jsgotangco> it can be available when the user is in windows and inserts the cd
[10:03] <jsgotangco> the winfoss stuff pops up
[10:04] <RichEd_> okay ... i only booted clean from CD ... didn't go the insert while running windows route ...
[10:04] <jsgotangco> yeah win32 versions of office, gaim, firefox are also in the cd
[10:05] <RichEd_> i did know that but did not intend to run under windows ... so did not bother ...
[10:05] <jsgotangco> ahh
[10:05] <jsgotangco> i guess its not printed clearly
[10:05] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:07] <RichEd_> perhaps we should suggest it on the sleeve "If you have an existing windows system insert while running windows to get a quick guide", with an autorun and some print suggestions ...
[10:07] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:07] <jsgotangco> i think a 5 page pdf or html would suffice
[10:08] <RichEd_> more than enough ... not big issues, but could be a showstopper ... we don't want to lose a potential convert
[10:08] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:08] <jsgotangco> maybe i should make a spec
[10:09] <RichEd_> i'll keep a note of this all ... and will bring it up ... also found some good external site guides that helped me in preparing the whole dual boot thing.
[10:10] <jsgotangco> yeah sometimes we're so engrossed in creating a document with all the features that we take for granted one of the biggest showstoppers to most users is actually installing it ;)
[10:12] <RichEd_> and as I said to someone yesterday, we are "competing with a pre-installed OS" so we have to make it super easy
[10:13] <jsgotangco> macOSX?
[10:13] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:13] <RichEd_> or the "Human Beings" may just default back to "path of least resistance
[10:13] <jsgotangco> kidding
[10:14] <RichEd_> :)
[10:15] <RichEd_> will leave you alone for a bit now ... about to finish off at GRUB prompt ... any suggested offical Ubuntu help links on what to do from here (to keep dual boot) ?
[10:15] <jsgotangco> help.ubuntu.com has all the documents from the distro as well as a "getting there" comprehensive guide from the community to get you started in your desktop
[10:16] <jsgotangco> like codecs, printer setup, sharing, etc.
[10:17] <RichEd_> thanks ... just not 100% clear what the GRUB prompt will do from here ... is it just asking me to select a boot option for install purposes, or is it going to set primary boot option ?r
[10:18] <jsgotangco> it just asks you that it detected the OS installed and will add it to GRUB if you just hit enter, it'll just have XP as the 2nd option and Ubuntu will be the default OS to boot
[10:19] <RichEd_> okay ... tx ... pressing on
[10:19] <jsgotangco> im just online and a bit idle at the moment just in case
[10:21] <RichEd_> thanks ... may ask for some help when i install Ubuntu on the next partition if i get stuck ... (want to have both bootable for demo) ... and may add Kubuntu for the same reason.
[10:35] <cbx33> mornin all
[10:35] <cbx33> mornin RichEd__
[10:35] <jsgotangco> yo
[10:35] <RichEd__> 'lo cbx33
[10:35] <cbx33> hey jsgotangco
[10:36] <cbx33> RichEd__: gonna get that spreadsheet underway today
[10:36] <cbx33> I was thinking although wiki would be good for colab, it's not gonna work for the formulae
[10:36] <cbx33> we'll have to exchange files
[10:37] <RichEd__> okay ... will be a little busy ... (still setting up) ... but get it going
[10:39] <cbx33> no no that's fine
[11:58] <ogra> yay
[12:00] <cbx33> w00t
[12:00] <cbx33> ogra: can I ask a quick question
[12:00] <cbx33> I can't seem to find the copyright holders for some of the human icons I've used
[12:00] <cbx33> in the ubuntu-artwork pacakge
[12:01] <ogra> human cons should all be described in the debian/copyright file of the artwork package
[12:01] <cbx33> that's what I thought
[12:01] <cbx33> they're not
[12:01] <ogra> if there is still something missing probably dholbach knows who to contact (no idea if he did anything with human)
[12:02] <cbx33> ah unless
[12:04] <RichEd> must say it looks very slick :)
[12:09] <jsgotangco> ogra: do i smell knot-1 coming?
[12:10] <ogra> jsgotangco, YES ! :)
[12:10] <jsgotangco> is it build already?
[12:10] <ogra> looks like i made it :)
[12:10] <ogra> yep
[12:10] <jsgotangco> where do i grab it?
[12:10] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/
[12:10] <ogra> live is broken
[12:10] <jsgotangco> hmm
[12:10] <jsgotangco> casper issue?
[12:10] <ogra> but install looks very good
[12:11] <ogra> yep
[12:11] <jsgotangco> ill grab amd54
[12:11] <jsgotangco> err 64
[12:11] <ogra> i'm just trying to rsync on top of a dapper iso ...
[12:11] <ogra> not really helping ... ETA 2h
[12:12] <jsgotangco> ill just see how it goes before dawn
[12:12] <jsgotangco> =)
[12:12] <RichEd> jsgotangco: ping for a quick question or two ?
[12:12] <jsgotangco> sure
[12:12] <RichEd> does my swap partition take care if itself ? i don't see it as a volume ?
[12:12] <ogra> jsgotangco, thanks for the nes update btw
[12:13] <ogra> *news
[12:13] <jsgotangco> RichEd: nope
[12:13] <jsgotangco> its like a windows scratch disk, you can't see it but its there
[12:14] <jsgotangco> and its being used
[12:14] <jsgotangco> when needed
[12:15] <jsgotangco> ogra: no worries, it seems mgalvin disappeared all of a sudden so i guess Ridell sent it?
[12:15] <ogra> yep
[12:15] <RichEd> thanks ... and another q: i created a fat32 "common" partition ... which i see as a folder off the root of my File System ... does it not appear as a seperate drive like XP sees it ?
[12:15] <jsgotangco> ill try sending it myself next time just in case mgalvin still MIA
[12:16] <jsgotangco> the filesystem has no concept of "drives"
[12:16] <jsgotangco> just files and folders
[12:16] <jsgotangco> hence your partition is just a folder
[12:17] <jsgotangco> even devices are treated as files
[12:17] <RichEd> (excuse the language) but i mean as I see my NTFS partition called: hda1 as an icon on my desktop ...
[12:18] <cbx33> RichEd: how can you mutter such profanity
[12:18] <cbx33> ;)
[12:19] <cbx33> hehe, it's ok, I have to administrate a windows network in my current position
[12:20] <RichEd> note: i ask dumb questions but i usually learn quickly
[12:20] <ogra> there are no dumb questions :P
[12:20] <jsgotangco> RichEd: yeah, its normal, we have it as a feature to automatically mount windows partitions
[12:21] <jsgotangco> but yeah hda is you real HD
[12:22] <jsgotangco> its actually mounted in /media
[12:23] <JaneW> jsgotangco: hi-dy ho
[12:23] <RichEd> well not really the entire HD ... as i also see hda5 & hda6 icons on the desktop which are just (unformatted) partitions waiting for my Ubuntu & Kubuntu alternate boot installs
[12:23] <jsgotangco> JaneW: boo
[12:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: looks like RichEd wil need to give you some Amarula when he meets you :)
[12:24] <RichEd> q: is there a way of seeing the FAT32 partition as a "root level object like hda1"  and not just as a folder \common
[12:25] <jsgotangco> you mean mount it and see it in your desktop in a different name?
[12:25] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i'll probably not decline that then
[12:25] <RichEd> ahhh yes (i think that's what i mean)
[12:26] <jsgotangco> sure
[12:26] <jsgotangco> the howto is available in the documentation under Desktop Guide
[12:27] <jsgotangco> System->Help->System Documentation
[12:27] <jsgotangco> Ubuntu Desktop Guide -> Configuring Your System -> Partitions and Booting
[12:27] <jsgotangco> you need to dig into the console though
[12:28] <jsgotangco> not sure if Disk Administration will handle it automatically
[12:28] <jsgotangco> hmm maybe it does
[12:28] <jsgotangco> System -> Administration -> Disks
[12:28] <jsgotangco> then click the Partitions Tab
[12:31] <jsgotangco> bbl dinner
[12:34] <jsgAFK> RichEd: i'll just afk for a while and be back in an hour or two
[12:35] <RichEd> not a problem ... i have enough to fiddle around with ... nothing critical ... just questions for understanding ...
[12:39] <cbx33> hey rodarvus
[12:40] <rodarvus> good morning
[12:40] <rodarvus> hi cbx33!
[12:40] <cbx33> howz it all going
[12:41] <rodarvus> good, still  feeling a bit dizzy, as its still monday early morning in here ;)
[12:41] <rodarvus> *garfield effect
[12:41] <ogra> you had lasagne yesterday ?
[12:41] <ogra> :)
[12:42] <rodarvus> haha
[12:43] <JaneW> hey ogra :)
[12:44] <ogra> hey JaneW :)
[12:44] <JaneW> ogra: how's your house move? All done yet?
[12:44] <ogra> nope
[12:44] <ogra> i
[12:44] <ogra> 'm in the old house to mop up the last furniture this week
[12:45] <JaneW> ogra: oic. Your pets moved already?
[12:45] <JaneW> ogra, the ' is notoriously troublesome for me too!
[12:45] <ogra> they moved two weeks before paris
[12:46] <cbx33> cool
[12:46] <ogra> i did little tours with a van on the last weekends, but the big truck for the bigger pieces is planned for next weekend ...
[12:48] <JaneW> ogra: good luck, has been a slog huh!
[12:53] <cbx33> ogra if I have a patch for one of the man pages in ltsp that I wrote how do I go about it?
[12:54] <ogra> you update your bzr branch to the ltsp-mainline one, add your change, commit it and i merge it
[12:55] <cbx33> ok cool
[12:55] <cbx33> thanks ogra
[01:01] <ogra> cbx33, btw, the rsyncer script on my people account is updated for edgy
[01:02] <cbx33> :D
[01:03] <ogra> i should probably add a --release switch
[01:03] <cbx33> oooh good idea
[01:04] <cbx33> once you're all done with that let me know and I'll fit grasynco to it
[01:52] <RichEd> quick confirm question please: can multiple boots (Ubuntu & Edubuntu) all safely share the same swap volume ? will they each just mount & use swap at startup without intefereing with each others files (I presume temp swap files are cleared at shutdown) ?
[01:55] <RichEd> sorry partition not volume :P
[01:57] <rodarvus> RichEd: yes, they can
[01:58] <rodarvus> and they should, in fact :)
[01:58] <rodarvus> a swap partition (and also a swap file, for that matter) is basically a continued part of the ram memory - in other words, completely volatile between reboots
[02:00] <RichEd> rodarvus: hi ... thanks ... just confirming that my understanding translates across worlds :)
[02:01] <rodarvus> it sure does :)
[02:01] <RichEd> you'll be glad to know my Edubuntu is up & running ... minor glitches (display went blank 60% of the way through software install phase) prolly due to unusual external monitor ...
[02:02] <RichEd> at 1:00 am I thought it was a hang ... but with more patience in daylight ... i waited for it to get through to completion
[02:02] <RichEd> now trying to add Ubuntu boot (converting dual-boot XP - Edubuntu to tri-boot)
[02:04] <rodarvus> nice, good to know :)
[02:04] <rodarvus> you'll probably have to manually change stuff on the boot loader to handle ubuntu + edubuntu together
[02:04] <rodarvus> as both of them will want to "have control" over the MBR
[02:05] <RichEd> interesting - booted into Ubuntu CD to access GParted and linux-swap partition now has a lock ion ... didn't see this last night on first run of GParted ... is Ubuntu now taking advantage of the partition it did not have before ?
[02:06] <RichEd> rodarvus: noted boot loader comments ... will keep this MS xchat session open for necessary words of wisdom :)
[02:06] <rodarvus> yes, it is already using the swap partition
[02:06] <rodarvus> but you can order the installer to stop using the swap partition, if necessary (just click with right button on it, I think)
[02:07] <RichEd> no need is there ? was just a query from me ... don't see any problems ...
[02:09] <ogra> RichEd, we cant put ltsp n the liveCD, else we'd have switched too
[02:09] <ogra> *on
[02:10] <RichEd> not knocking anything ... just impressed that's all :)
[02:11] <ogra> also the gui installer needs *at least* 256MB
[02:13] <rodarvus> how much our text based install needs?
[02:14] <rodarvus> 256 is a *lot* of space, I didn't knew it needed all that much
[02:14] <ogra> i think 96MB
[02:14] <RichEd> quick question for my interest: when I built my partition table last night, there are a few unallocated MBs ... is this just disk space on the border of partitions that is unable to be allocated due to cluster / partition size ?
[02:15] <ogra> but i'm not sure ... might even be smaller
[02:15] <RichEd> (2 unallocated areas = 1.96MB and 5.26MB)
[02:15] <rodarvus> RichEd: on the end of the disk, you mean?
[02:15] <rodarvus> some times (very little) unallocated space remains on the end of the disk
[02:15] <rodarvus> but I never saw unallocated space between partitions
[02:16] <rodarvus> RichEd: I'm just guessing, but if this is the case, it might be a bug in the partitioner (did you created the partitions using the Ubuntu graphical installer?)
[02:17] <RichEd> yes ...
[02:17] <RichEd> spaces are in the middle - i have 3 primaries (ntfs - swap - ext3 = Edubuntu) and 1 extended
[02:18] <rodarvus> (again, just guessing) Kamion mentioned the current partitioning tool of the graphical installer is not as reliable as it could be - he is rewriting it from scratch (?) I think
[02:18] <RichEd> extended contains unallocated 1 + ext3 for Ubuntu + unallocated 2 + ext3 for Kubuntu + fat32
[02:19] <RichEd> note that i've seen NTFS partitioners in Windows Server that leave bits of space unallocated ...
[02:19] <rodarvus> here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/AdvancedPartitionerRewrite
[02:19] <RichEd> always thought it was irrational divides between selected partition size & cluster size
[02:20] <RichEd> wasted space is small ... not too concerned ...
[02:21] <RichEd> note that unallocated space (7.1 MB) is less than windows XP took for my trackpad drivers (8.9 MB) !
[02:22] <rodarvus> heh
[02:22] <rodarvus> (just for reference) linux trackpad driver (xserver-xorg-input-synaptics) is has 44kb
[02:22] <RichEd> :) that's more like it
[02:23] <rodarvus> drop the "is" pleae
[02:23] <rodarvus> please
[02:23] <ogra> gah, fakechroot is a pita
[02:23] <rodarvus> ogra: just curious - why do you need fakechroot?
[02:23] <rodarvus> (just curious)
[02:24] <RichEd> rodarvus: drop the what ? i'm confused
[02:24] <ogra> rodarvus, for the daily ltsp tarballs we want to build from LP fr the ltsp.org guys
[02:24] <rodarvus> RichEd: the "is" from my last sentence
[02:24] <rodarvus> "is has 44kb"
[02:24] <ogra> elmo doesnt want to give me rot access for the ltsp-build-client script
[02:24] <ogra> *root
[02:24] <RichEd> oh ? i read past stuff like that ... autofilter ...
[02:24] <ogra> which otherwise is needed to create the client chroot ...
[02:25] <rodarvus> oh
[02:25] <RichEd> another partition question - when the partitions soace is allocated, a chunk shows immediately as used  ... is that partition format & allocation info ?
[02:25] <RichEd> space <- soace
[02:25] <ogra> but i just noticed that if i run ltsp-build-client in a fakechroot environment, it cant mount proc
[02:25] <rodarvus> ogra: I suppose elmo has a very good reason to force you using fakechroot, then :D
[02:25] <ogra> rodarvus, i cant really agree with him ...
[02:26] <rodarvus> ogra: I'm being cynical ;)
[02:26] <rodarvus> I don't agree, either
[02:26] <ogra> giving my script the opportunity to run ltsp-build-client through sudo would be way easier...
[02:26] <ogra> the chroot gets wiped directly after atrrig it anyway
[02:26] <ogra> *tarring
[02:26] <rodarvus> RichEd: sorry, I don't remember from the top of my head how the ubuntu partitioner works in this regard :/
[02:27] <ogra> i'll have to discuss that with him, i dont think fakechroot is the way to go
[02:27] <rodarvus> ogra: can't ltsp-build-client be audited by someone else (such as pitti) if elmo doesn't seems comfortable giving you sudo on this machine?
[02:28] <rodarvus> its really insane forcing you to lose hours of work mucking with fakechroot just for that.
[02:28] <RichEd> okay ... not serious ... will browse to look later ...
[02:28] <ogra> rodarvus, the point is that it builds a chroot
[02:28] <ogra> elmo doesnt want that at all
[02:29] <rodarvus> ogra: if he doesn't wants that on a "production" machine, then we might need to ask for another machine.
[02:29] <ogra> multiple other machines then :/
[02:29] <ogra> i need one for every arch
[02:30] <ogra> (only i386 and ppc now, but amd64 will surely follow)
[02:30] <rodarvus> hmm, yeah, it doesn't scales
[02:30] <ogra> i'll do the i386 variant loacally for now ...
[02:30] <ogra> and copy the tarball to the DC in the end ...
[02:30] <ogra> but that cant be the final solution
[02:31] <rodarvus> indeed
[02:31] <rodarvus> ogra: any chance for jim and scott to let you build this on one of their ltsp.org servers?
[02:31] <RichEd> allocating my Ubuntu partition info now = mount point / ... what do i select for existing Edubuntu partition ... obviously i leave reformat unchecked but do i select a mount point say /media/hda3 or should i unselect the partition totally from any actions and rather manually edit mount points when i am done
[02:32] <RichEd> done with the install i mean
[02:32] <ogra> rodarvus, sure, but the target is to have that in LP, mark wouldnt be happy if it ran o their servers
[02:32] <RichEd> brb -> coffee
[02:32] <ogra> *on
[02:32] <rodarvus> RichEd: usually, /media/<somename>, such as /media/edubuntu
[02:32] <rodarvus> ogra: then bring the issue to Mark
[02:32] <rodarvus> or to our new fearless leader
[02:32] <RichEd> okay ... makes sense now :)
[02:33] <ogra> hehe
[02:33] <rodarvus> :)
[02:33] <ogra> rodarvus, dont worry, i'll manage ...
[02:33] <rodarvus> ogra: well, really up to you
[02:33] <rodarvus> I sense problems in the future, with the current approach
[02:34] <rodarvus> how are you going to mount /proc, create devices, etc?
[02:35] <ogra> ??
[02:35] <ogra> if i run ltsp-build-client as root that all works fine ...
[02:35] <rodarvus> yes
[02:35] <ogra> you cant just run it unprivileged
[02:35] <rodarvus> exactly
[02:35] <ogra> and fakechroot is surely not ready for use at all
[02:36] <rodarvus> now I'm confused :)
[02:36] <ogra> so i wont even put more time into it ;)
[02:36] <rodarvus> didn' you just said elmo is not going to give you root?
[02:36] <ogra> but run it locally for now and ask elmo for another offer ;)
[02:36] <rodarvus> and that you were planning to use fakechroot?
[02:37] <rodarvus> this is exactly my point - you *need* to run this script as root, and it needs to be done in DC infrastructure
[02:37] <ogra> well, he needs to make it possible, its his job ;) i can only change the code if needed, but he has to give me the requirements ...
[02:37] <rodarvus> so sooner or later, we'll need to bring this to Mark, mdz or RichEd
[02:37] <ogra> yes, but its *his* DC
[02:37] <ogra> s he has to make me an offer :)
[02:37] <ogra> *so
[02:37] <ogra> i'll discuss it with him. dont worry
[02:37] <rodarvus> ok
[02:38] <rodarvus> lets wait :)
[02:38] <ogra>  have to do enough other stuff on that script anyway )
[02:38] <RichEd> so just to confirm my understanding again ... a partition is just a space allocated on a disk, and it is given a working name on boot up by mounting it "against" a named folder in the file system so that it can be accessed ?
[02:38] <ogra> :)
[02:38] <ogra> yes
[02:39] <RichEd> ta
[02:39] <rodarvus> well,
[02:40] <rodarvus> ogra: btw, do we have any automatic means of checking for updates on debian packages?
[02:40] <rodarvus> maybe some LP page where I can subscribe to updates of debian packages
[02:40] <jsgotangco> err?
[02:40] <ogra> rodarvus, mom has ... but i dont know of any further feature like that
[02:41] <rodarvus> ogra: but mom won't run for another four months, right?
[02:41] <ogra> rodarvus, NMSP will bring us al that ... you will only have to suscribe to the bzr branch then :)
[02:41] <rodarvus> ogra: indeed :)
[02:41] <cbx33> nice
[02:41] <RichEd> this is much more logical - being able to edit & manipulate reality - rather than giving a MS GUI a once off request and then waiting for it to do it's secret black magic
[02:42] <jsgotangco> RichEd: huh?
[02:42] <cbx33> RichEd: ahhh....another one sees the light :p
[02:42] <cbx33> I wish everyone here would
[02:42] <jsgotangco> here?
[02:42] <cbx33> no....at work
[02:43] <RichEd> w.r.t my questions about mounting & "naming" volumes rather than windows permanent drive letter allocations etc.
[02:43] <jsgotangco> they are just abstractions
[02:43] <jsgotangco> even macosx uses them
[02:43] <RichEd> i know windows must do a similar thing, but it's all writen away as smily faces and control characters that do not like being messed with
[02:43] <cbx33> indeed
[02:44] <jsgotangco> ogra: is this (today's) build safe?
[02:44] <ogra> jsgotangco, no idea, i'm still downloading ... :)
[02:44] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:44] <ogra> you'll surely know before me
[02:44] <jsgotangco> gahh
[02:45] <rodarvus> jsgotangco: is Filipines far from Indonesia? (sorry for my weak knowledge of asian geography :/)
[02:46] <jsgotangco> not really
[02:46] <rodarvus> I've just read about a Tsunami on Indonesia
[02:46] <jsgotangco> jakarta is around 2 1/2 hours by plane
[02:46] <rodarvus> hope all is fine there!
[02:46] <jsgotangco> we have a volcano about to explode here
[02:46] <jsgotangco> so the quake in indonesia must be related
[02:47] <rodarvus> *nods*
[02:48] <jsgotangco> this region is not called the ring of fire for nothing heh
[02:48] <RichEd> better than being shelled by flying exploding things ... like some other people today :(
[02:48] <cbx33> true
[02:48] <jsgotangco> yeah its just not right demolishing a neighbor's house to destroy some rats
[02:50] <RichEd> not prepared to take sides or anything ... but nature is an unavoidable ... the human thing should be something we can work out with less aggression ... UBujtu and all that
[02:50] <RichEd> Ubuntu P
[02:51] <rodarvus> I was already wondering if Ubujtu was yet another african word with big translation :D
[02:52] <jsgotangco> my hometown is infested with insurgents i know the feeling of bullets going above your roof
[02:53] <cbx33> jsgotangco: eeek
[02:53] <cbx33> that bad?
[02:53] <jsgotangco> cbx33: i grew up with an M16 in our house for security reasons
[02:54] <cbx33> crikey
[02:54] <jsgotangco> we never got to use it though, luckily
[02:54] <jsgotangco> my wife doesn't like going to my hometown
[02:54] <jsgotangco> but i just walk there like its the park =)
[02:54] <cbx33> I'll bet
[02:54] <jsgotangco> its not like people are shooting each other most of the time
[02:55] <jsgotangco> the last violence i ever seen there was an assassination in front of our church
[03:06] <cbx33> yikes
[03:07] <RichEd> should i be concerned ? ubuntu install can't remember being asked if i wanted server or workstation
[03:07] <spacey> jsgotangco: religious reasons?
[03:07] <ogra> there is no such option in ubuntu
[03:07] <RichEd> and now at 88% it said target disk nearly full ... target disk 100% full .... it is a 2GB partition
[03:07] <jsgotangco> spacey: nope maoist seperatists
[03:08] <RichEd> ogra: i thought there was sever / workstation option ? last week you recommended that i did *not* install server
[03:09] <ogra> RichEd, in edubuntu, yes :)
[03:09] <ogra> but not in ubuntu
[03:09] <iGotNoTime> morning everyone :D
[03:10] <RichEd> okay ... any reason why it is filling the (recommended) 2GB ... and will it cause a problem ?
[03:12] <ogra> very likely ...
[03:12] <iGotNoTime> because it is a user rich experience :D:D
[03:12] <ogra> it wont install all packages if it runs out of space
[03:13] <RichEd> i've checked the CD sleeve and it says 2.1 GB ... will make more space and try again.
[03:18] <iGotNoTime> I 'just now' upgraded to Dapper does anyone have a link for instructions on installing the firefox flash player plugin ?
[03:28] <bimberi> !flash
[03:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:30] <bimberi> iGotNoTime: ^^^^ (the first link)
[03:37] <bimberi> RichEd: er ... um ... so, been watching the Tour de France?  ;)
[03:41] <RichEd> errrrr uhmmmmmm well Nelson Mandela is great
[03:42] <bimberi> lol
[03:42] <RichEd> RichEd -> out 1 hour ... lunch collection
[03:57] <iGotNoTime> bimberi: thank you
[04:00] <bimberi> iGotNoTime: yw :)
[04:17] <iGotNoTime> I have a dedicated MS server and need remote desktop access, I didn't think of that before switching to Linux, does anyone have a suggestion?
[04:21] <bimberi> iGotNoTime: VNC
[04:21] <rodarvus> iGotNoTime: please ask non-edubuntu related questions on #ubuntu (but answering to your question - there is a remote desktop client for linux called 'rdesktop', you can use it)
[04:21] <iGotNoTime> sorry will make sure it doesn't happen again
[04:22] <iGotNoTime> I do run Edu though ;)
[04:22] <rodarvus> :)
[04:25] <bimberi> iGotNoTime: btw the rdesktop client comes installed.  You can access it via Applications -> Internet -> Terminal Server Client
[04:25] <iGotNoTime> yes just found it :)
[04:25] <iGotNoTime> well using gnome desktop
[04:52] <dad> is it necessary to use the edubuntu server
[04:52] <dad> or can I just install ltsp and remove the pre-installed servers
[04:53] <ogra> edubuntu server *is* essentially ltsp ...
[04:53] <ogra> what preinstalled servers do you mean ?
[04:53] <dad> because  ltspconfig command does not work
[04:53] <ogra> there is only the schooltool calendar server apart from ltsp
[04:54] <ogra> never ever use ltspconfig in edubuntu !
[04:54] <ogra> nor install the ltsp-utils package from universe
[04:54] <iGotNoTime> have a great day everyone and thanks again for all the help :D
[04:54] <ogra> there is a reason that its in universe
[04:54] <ogra> (its incompatible with ubuntu ltsp and breaks everything)
[04:54] <dad> then how can I configure this
[04:55] <ogra> what do you want to configure and what doesnt work ?
[04:55] <dad> ltsp server
[04:55] <ogra> and did you already execute ltspadmin on that machine (which surely broke the install then)
[04:55] <dad> no I did not
[04:56] <ogra> whet exactly ? do you want to configure and what doesnt work ?
[04:57] <dad> ltsp failed to start last time I tried
[04:57] <ogra> what didnt start ? there is no such ting like ltsp you could start, its build from severeal pieces
[04:57] <dad> authoritative;
[04:57] <dad> subnet <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> {
[04:57] <dad>   range <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>;
[04:57] <dad>   option domain-name "example.com";
[04:57] <dad>   option domain-name-servers <IP_ADDRESS>;
[04:57] <dad>   option broadcast-address <IP_ADDRESS>;
[04:57] <dad>   option routers <IP_ADDRESS>;
[04:57] <dad>   option subnet-mask <IP_ADDRESS>;
[04:57] <dad>   filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[04:58] <dad>   option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[04:58] <dad> }
[04:58] <ogra> please use a pastebin
[04:58] <ogra> so what didnt start ? your dhcp server ?
[04:59] <ogra> or the nfs server ? or inetd/tftfp ?
[04:59] <dad> let me refresh my mind , can you tell me the command for starting the dhcp.
[04:59] <ogra> you need to give an exact error description, else nobody will be able to help :)
[05:00] <ogra> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
[05:00] <dad> I don't know. I just installed edbuntu
[05:00] <ogra> but you said something didnt start ...
[05:00] <ogra> since we have no such service like "ltsp" it must be soemthing else, what was it ?
[05:00] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[05:01] <jsgotangco> dad! i didn't expect you to be here!
[05:01] <dad> I think it was DHCP.
[05:01] <ogra> dad, did you follow the install instructions (see channel topic) ?
[05:03] <RichEd> jsgotanco: earthquake/tsunami update: 20 fatalities reported
[05:06] <dad> I just want to test this the edbuntu server-thin client communication
[05:06] <Petaris> ogra: After the initial install you should be able to just boot a client correct?
[05:07] <ogra> Petaris, nope
[05:07] <ogra> Petaris, unless you picked <IP_ADDRESS> as your ip
[05:08] <dad> I am using etherboot floppy, should I change this line in "/ltsp/pxelinux.0
[05:08] <ogra> else you need to do the things from the gettingstarted doc
[05:08] <dad> since I am not using pxe
[05:09] <Petaris> ogra: its a dual nic box (triple actually) eth0 is a static 172.20. address that connects to my network and eth1 is a static <IP_ADDRESS> that connects to the clients
[05:09] <ogra> Petaris, then it works out of the box
[05:09] <ogra> dad, etherboot from rom-o-matic ?
[05:09] <dad> yes
[05:09] <ogra> they have a PXE emulation mode
[05:09] <ogra> use that and it should work fine
[05:10] <Petaris> hrm, I'll go through the getting started doc again but it (the client) doesn't seem to even see the dhcp server
[05:10] <Petaris> I've confirmed its running though
[05:10] <dad> so I don't need to any changes in the dhscpconf
[05:10] <ogra> make sure there is no other dhcp server in that network
[05:11] <ogra> dad, if you have a static interface with <IP_ADDRESS> as ip you dont
[05:11] <Petaris> ogra: no other dhcps on the client side
[05:12] <dad> No I am using the dhcp mode not static, since I Use the same card for internet
[05:12] <ogra> dad, the interface a dhcp server runs on *must* be static
[05:13] <Petaris> ogra: nevermind, user error
[05:14] <dad> so i need to buy another card
[05:14] <Petaris> I had the clients plugged into the wrong nic (into the third nic which is unused)
[05:15] <Petaris> ogra: Just one of those "Bang head on keyboard to continue.." days
[05:15] <Petaris> haha
[05:15] <dad> Do I need another card??
[05:15] <Petaris> dad: no
[05:15] <Petaris> you just need to set a static address
[05:16] <dad> then what?
[05:16] <Petaris> unless I've missed something
[05:16] <Petaris> dad: What is your network setup?
[05:17] <Petaris> server with two nics?
[05:17] <Petaris> one to ltsp the other to the rest of the network?
[05:17] <Petaris> or single nic?
[05:17] <dad> How can I connect to both internet and the the intranet at the same time, since When I choose static ip I cnnot conect to internet
[05:17] <dad> single nic
[05:18] <rodarvus> RichEd: do you plan to attend (at least for for one or two days) the developers sprint, next month?
[05:18] <Petaris> dad: is there a cable modem or the like on your network?
[05:18] <rodarvus> it would be a great chance for me and ogra to meet you there
[05:18] <rodarvus> RichEd -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSprintWiesbaden
[05:18] <RichEd> haven't been asked yet ... but would make sense ... where issit ?
[05:18] <rodarvus> in Wiesbaden, Germany
[05:19] <dad> dsl
[05:19] <Petaris> dad: its running a dhcp server I bet
[05:19] <RichEd> will SABDFL be attedning ?
[05:19] <Petaris> and its address is probably <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:19] <rodarvus> RichEd: its really a developers "hands on" summit, but its (probably?) the only chance we'll have to talk in person, before december, january or so
[05:19] <rodarvus> RichEd: no idea :/
[05:19] <Petaris> thats where your issue is coming from
[05:20] <rodarvus> RichEd: probably clan or silbs will be able to tell you if he plans to be there
[05:20] <dad> Petraris: that's right
[05:20] <RichEd> it makes sense to me: i have to meet Mark in London ... and need to show him a strategy plan (for increasing adoption) ... so it may make sense to come to meet you in Germany, have an sidebar strategy chat & review, and then hop over to London
[05:21] <Petaris> dad: So choose an address in that range for the server, like <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:21] <RichEd> after all if i need to fly from ZA to UK ... germany is a hop, skip & a jump by comparison
[05:21] <ogra> dad, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPBootingClientsWithoutPxe
[05:21] <Petaris> then set your server dhcp range to something like <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:21] <rodarvus> RichEd: that would be great
[05:21] <ogra> to get PXE emulation in etherboot floppies
[05:22] <RichEd> Clan is working on the diary dates ... will ask her to factor in some time ... even if it is an afternoon-to-evening-meeting & sleep & jump over
[05:22] <Petaris> dad: or set two IP addresses on that nic
[05:22] <Petaris> dad: ie, eth0 = <IP_ADDRESS> eth0:1 = <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:23] <Petaris> with a dhcp range of <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:23] <ogra> rodarvus, well, i think RichEd would rather be bored watching a crowd of hackers hacking silently ... i dont think it makes sense for him to be all the time around (go see somethig of wiesbaden RichEd ;) )
[05:23] <RichEd> too late for the footie !
[05:23] <dad> authoritative;
[05:23] <dad> subnet <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> {
[05:23] <dad>   range <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>;
[05:23] <dad>   option domain-name "example.com";
[05:23] <dad>   option domain-name-servers <IP_ADDRESS>;
[05:23] <dad>   option broadcast-address <IP_ADDRESS>;
[05:23] <dad>   option routers <IP_ADDRESS>;
[05:23] <dad>   option subnet-mask <IP_ADDRESS>;
[05:23] <dad>   filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[05:23] <dad>   option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[05:23] <dad> }
[05:23] <ogra> rodarvus, the sprint is actually 99% hacking in silence ...
[05:23] <dad> you mean like this
[05:24] <rodarvus> ogra: yeah, I agree - my point is - it would be great for us to get in touch with RichEd
[05:24] <ogra> dad, please use a partebot servcie for pastes longer than 5 lines
[05:24] <Petaris> dad: please use a paste service for that
[05:24] <rodarvus> (as he said, for a few hours, possibly)
[05:24] <RichEd> not much different than my office (are you allowed to have the radio on ?)
[05:24] <ogra> rodarvus, absolutely
[05:24] <Petaris> like http://phpfi.com/
[05:24] <ogra> *pastebot
[05:24] <ogra> RichEd, haha
[05:24] <rodarvus> RichEd: earphones ;)
[05:25] <RichEd> even a chat over dinner would help ... very much talking about how to get humans chosing the s/w ... will be a break from getting devices to communicate ...
[05:25] <rodarvus> Generalkonsulat der Bundesrepublik Deutschland -> /me checking if needs visa to enter germany :D
[05:25] <RichEd> drinks would help with former ... not the latter :)
[05:26] <RichEd> will check out link & suggest a plan to you guys ... then on to Clan for approval by Silbs ...
[05:26] <Petaris> dad: http://phpfi.com/132319
[05:26] <rodarvus> no, I don't need a visa - good
[05:27] <Petaris> rodarvus: If not visa then use MasterCard  ;p
[05:27] <dad> would that be the config file the eth0:1 ?
[05:27] <rodarvus> :)
[05:28] <Petaris> dad: that would be the dhcp config
[05:28] <dad> yes
[05:28] <dad> I mean for tha alias?
[05:28] <Petaris> with eth0:1 set to <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:28] <dad> Ok
[05:29] <RichEd> [ sprint will take place from 09.00 Monday 21st - 17.30 Friday 25th August 2006 ]  p'raps meet for dinner Sunday evening - because then i could book my flight from Cape Town to London via  Frankfurt & just break the conection for 24 hours
[05:29] <Petaris> dad: I am fairly certain this shoule work
[05:29] <Petaris> er, should
[05:30] <dad> where do I add this alias card? network tools? or device manager?
[05:32] <Petaris> dad: /etc/network/interfaces
[05:33] <rodarvus> RichEd: we usually (afaik) have a "welcome dinner" on sunday evening, so that could be good timing for you to show up
[05:33] <dad> could you take me through the process of commnads or link me a page that explains it.
[05:33] <Petaris> sec
[05:34] <RichEd> okay will investig8
[05:35] <Petaris> dad: login as root
[05:35] <Petaris> or sudo this command
[05:35] <Petaris> sudo nano -w /etc/network/interfaces
[05:36] <dad> ok
[05:36] <Petaris> then use this format
[05:36] <Petaris> http://phpfi.com/132322
[05:36] <Petaris> jsut change the address to match your needs
[05:36] <Petaris> you only need eth0 and eth0:1
[05:36] <Petaris> I use a few more ;)
[05:39] <dad> http://phpfi.com/132323
[05:40] <dad> this is my setting for eth0
[05:40] <Petaris> You can't use dhcp
[05:40] <Petaris> you have to use static
[05:40] <Petaris> sec
[05:41] <dad> so the only think that changes is the ip address, the rest is the same, right?
[05:41] <Petaris> no, sec
[05:44] <Petaris> http://phpfi.com/132324
[05:44] <Petaris> that should work for you
[05:45] <Petaris> if you have the ability I would login to your dsl router and exclude the <IP_ADDRESS> address from its dhcp range
[05:45] <Petaris> you don't have to, but it might be a good idea
[05:48] <dad> DHCP Range:  	 	<IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:49] <dad> that's my range
[05:58] <Petaris> on your dsl router?
[05:58] <Petaris> or in your dhcpd.conf file?
[05:58] <dad> dsl router
[05:58] <Petaris> hrm
[05:58] <Petaris> so you currently have a 192.168.1.* address
[05:58] <Petaris> what does ifconfig say?
[05:58] <Petaris> er, ifconfig eth0
[05:58] <RichEd> rodarvus: will look at trying to get there for a few hours & discuss tomorrow ... flights in Lufthansa look good on special offer on front page put when you ask for anything, they double in price
[05:58] <RichEd> but <- put
[05:58] <dad> http://phpfi.com/132326
[05:58] <Petaris> Hi highvoltage
[05:58] <Petaris> dad: ok, just a sec
[05:58] <Petaris> we need to adjust a few things
[05:58] <RichEd> hi highvoltage: how's dodge city ?
[05:58] <Petaris> dad: that is a pretty screwy setup for the dsl box to come with, has this been modified before?
[05:59] <dad> no
[06:00] <highvoltage> hi Petaris and RichEd :)
[06:00] <highvoltage> RichEd: i'm staying in a nice guest house here, the CSIR buildings are also quite nice
[06:00] <RichEd> pretoria ?
[06:00] <highvoltage> yep
[06:01] <rodarvus> highvoltage: hello!
[06:01] <highvoltage> hello rodarvus!
[06:01] <highvoltage> rodarvus: how are things your side?
[06:01] <RichEd> my in-laws live around there Menlyn (... my base when i am up in Johannesburg ) JaneW's dad
[06:01] <rodarvus> all fine :)
[06:02] <Petaris> dad: is there anything (that you know of) in the 192.168.0. range?
[06:02] <highvoltage> I went to Menlyn mall yesterday. also very nice.
[06:03] <dad> I just two computers in my house. And I have not set up any networking
[06:04] <Petaris> hrm
[06:04] <dad> I am just testing this system, here
[06:04] <Petaris> then we can assume that the 192.168.0 range is open and can be used
[06:05] <Petaris> dad: What is your gateway currently set to?
[06:05] <Petaris> <IP_ADDRESS>?
[06:05] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage and rodarvus
[06:05] <rodarvus> hi LaserJock!
[06:05] <jsgotangco> hey
[06:06] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco
[06:07] <jsgotangco> bah
[06:07] <jsgotangco> ubuntu 24/7
[06:07] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:07] <LaserJock> I think I got the smack down last night
[06:08] <jsgotangco> oh?
[06:08] <LaserJock> I'm guessing I won't be on here on weekends from now on ;-)
[06:08] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:08] <dad> <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:09] <RichEd> well i might be back to ask how to fix my tri-boot ...
[06:09] <LaserJock> something about volunteering for Ubuntu ~40 hrs a week doesn't really appeal to my wife
[06:09] <Petaris> hrm
[06:10] <Petaris> dad: thats odd
[06:10] <LaserJock> RichEd: oh heah, you're Mr. JaneW?
[06:11] <RichEd> errr no, she's Mrs RichEd ;)
[06:11] <Petaris> dad: try this http://phpfi.com/132330
[06:11] <Petaris> but you will have to change your dhcp.conf file a little
[06:12] <LaserJock> RichEd: hehe, sure
[06:12] <dad> that gateway info was from the netstat routing table
[06:12] <dad> http://phpfi.com/132331
[06:13] <LaserJock> RichEd: nice to see you here, welcome aboard
[06:13] <dad> here is the detailed info  from the router interface
[06:16] <RichEd_out_now> thanks LaserJock  ... yes i am really going now :)
[06:18] <Petaris> dad: thats for the routers external interface, do you have the info for the internal interface?
[06:19] <dad> I see
[06:20] <dad> Anyhow the info from the netstat from networl tools, is that valid?
[06:20] <dad> I went to administration then network tools then netstat
[06:22] <dad> it says:  destination URL <IP_ADDRESS> and then gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:22] <Petaris> dad: ok
[06:23] <Petaris> dad: try making those changes I suggested then we need to change the dhcp.conf file
[06:25] <dad> what changes to dhcp.conf file? did you already give me that?
[06:26] <Petaris> no, we need to make some changes, post it so I can see what you have
[06:30] <dad> you have gateway <IP_ADDRESS> in that last post
[06:30] <dad> should that be changed to <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:31] <dad> http://phpfi.com/132330 this post
[06:36] <Petaris> dad: yes, it should be changed to <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:39] <dad> http://phpfi.com/132340
[06:47] <Petaris> dad: looks good
[06:47] <Petaris> now lets make the changes to dhcpd.conf, post your config as it is now
[06:48] <Petaris> from /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[06:48] <dad> ok
[06:52] <dad> http://phpfi.com/132343 like this?
[06:55] <Petaris> dad: http://phpfi.com/132344
[06:55] <Petaris> try that
[07:13] <dad> I don't see eth0:1 in my device list in the network tools!
[07:15] <Petaris> dad: did you restart your network and dhcp services?
[07:28] <dad> I did this command sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
[07:28] <dad> I did not get any replies whether it did actually start!
[07:31] <Petaris> you would want restart not start
[07:32] <Petaris> you also want /etc/init.d/networking restart
[07:39] <ogra> heh ...
[07:39] <ogra> juliux is nagging for money :)
[07:40] <cbx33> ogra, I'm almost there on the gisomount pacakge
[07:43] <jsgotangco> ciao guys
[07:43] <jsgotangco> later
[07:58] <juliux> ogra, not me ;)
[07:59] <ogra> well, the kassenwart in you :)
[08:15] <cbx33> ping ogra
[08:27] <cbx33> ogra, gisomount is ready to go
[08:27] <cbx33> LaserJock, just advocated it
[08:29] <cbx33> bbl
[08:33] <Petaris> ogra: Who was it that was working on AD integration?
[08:33] <ogra> ajmitch
[08:34] <Petaris> ok, thanks
[08:34] <Petaris> Do you know if he has had much luck?
[08:49] <Burgwork> Petaris, he is a smart and dedicated person, so I don't doubt he is making good progress
[08:49] <Petaris> Burgwork: Ok, you know if hes documenting his progress somewhere?
[08:50] <Burgwork> he should be. Ping hin
[08:50] <Burgwork> him, rather
[08:50] <Petaris> ajmitch: ping
[08:51] <Burgwork> Petaris, I don't he is in here. But he is #ubuntu-devel
[08:52] <Petaris> Burgwork: Ahh, ok
[08:52] <Petaris> I'll pop over there
[09:13] <LaserJock> ohh, Wiesbaden
[09:13] <LaserJock> that would be fun
[09:14] <LaserJock> is that far from you ogra?
[09:14] <ogra> 250km
[09:14] <ogra> or 300, not sure
[09:15] <rodarvus> this summit in gemany must be very un-cool for ogra and the rest of the germans on canonical :)
[09:15] <ogra> its less travelling
[09:16] <LaserJock> I'm sure even the Germans love other parts of Germany ;-)
[09:16] <ogra> but i was just considering to go to san francisco the week before
[09:16] <rodarvus> well, uds paris was not that far for you, too
[09:16] <ogra> to visit linuxworld
[09:16] <LaserJock> ogra: really?
[09:16] <ogra> well, i wont i guess
[09:16] <LaserJock> :(
[09:16] <ogra> i need to have some time at home ...
[09:16] <LaserJock> sure
[09:16] <ogra> and my move will only be done by aug 1st
[09:17] <LaserJock> but that would only be a 4 hr drive for me
[09:17] <rodarvus> san francisco would be a, hmm... very long drive for me :)
[09:18] <rodarvus> (I guess at least about 4 weeks)
[09:18] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:19] <rodarvus> (after calculating) 2.5-4 weeks, non-stop
[09:19] <rodarvus> 2.5-3
[09:20] <rodarvus> but you have to add a few days if you plan to sleep :)
[09:20] <ogra> 2.5-3 is -0.5, isnt it ?
[09:21] <ogra> that means you gain half a week by going to sf :)
[09:21] <rodarvus> haha
[09:21] <rodarvus> timewarp!
[09:21] <ogra> yeah
[09:30] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[09:30] <Amaranth> Google is starting to seriously piss me off.
[09:30] <ogra> Amaranth, ?
[09:31] <Amaranth> I still haven't gotten the first payment.
[09:31] <ogra> they mailed about starting to send out the money one or two weeks ago
[09:32] <Amaranth> They said something was wrong if people didn't have it by July 5th.
[09:32] <ogra> did you ping them ?
[09:32] <Amaranth> I've now got $700 charged onto the credit card attached to my bank account because of things going through my empty account.
[09:33] <Amaranth> Yeah, 3 times.
[09:33] <Amaranth> No update.
[09:33] <Amaranth> Nothing you can do, this is just me venting.
[09:47] <LaserJock> ogra: is pessulus older than sabayon?
[09:48] <ogra> i dont think so
[09:48] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:49] <Burgwork> LaserJock, no, newer
[09:49] <LaserJock> k, that's what I thought, but pessulus seems to have more activity so I wondered
[09:50] <Burgwork> sabayon was started as a project within rh and then basically got dropped
[09:50] <ogra> vuntz is a bored guy :P
[09:50] <Burgwork> likely due to seth being reassigned
[09:50] <Burgwork> pessulus was pure vuntz, who was bored
[09:50] <LaserJock> hmm :/
[09:51] <Burgwork> however, vuntz just got a comaintainer for pessulus
[09:54] <LaserJock> I'm not sure how it's going to work if a student is assigned to more than one group
[09:54] <LaserJock> seems like you would have to merge/overlay the profiles
[09:56] <Burgwork> hmm, tricky
[09:57] <LaserJock> seems like sabayon's code hasn't been touched (with the exception of an Xnest thing) in 8 months
[09:58] <Burgwork> that is likely true
[09:58] <Burgwork> I suspect seth was moved elsewhere by rh
[09:58] <LaserJock> Alexander Larsson seems to be doing most of the latest work
[10:02] <Burgwork> I think he got assigned after, but he also does some other stuff with gnome at rh
[10:05] <rodarvus> isn't Seth an interaction designer? (UI architect, etc - whatever be the name you want to give it :) )
[10:05] <Burgwork> yes, he is
[10:05] <ogra> yrp
[10:05] <ogra> err
[10:05] <ogra> yep
[10:05] <ogra> and he holds wonderful talks ;)
[10:05] <Burgwork> hence why sabayon has a completely innovative UI, not a rehash of kiosktools
[10:05] <rodarvus> so, I don't think he wrote Sabayon himself - he probably designed the way it would work, though
[10:06] <rodarvus> *nods*
[10:07] <rodarvus> heh
[10:09] <LaserJock> so now I go back to wonder, would it be better to ship .menu files, extend alacarte to use for editing, and write a small tool that puts the selected menus in the user's ~/
[10:09] <Burgwork> you would still have conflicts
[10:09] <LaserJock> yes, but .menu conflicts would be easier than to teach sabayon conflicts
[10:10] <Burgwork> better to extend sabayon to understand modular profiles
[10:10] <LaserJock> the problem with sabayon would be  you would have confilcts on lots of stuff, not just menus
[10:10] <Amaranth> Here is my idea: Set XDG_DATA_DIRS based on the user's group. Alacarte (at least 0.9) should edit that menu instead of the root menu.
[10:12] <Amaranth> The only problem with that is that you have to create the .menu files when you create a new group.
[10:12] <Amaranth> (and of course I'd have to add root menu editing back into alacarte)
[10:12] <LaserJock> Burgwork: what do you mean by modular profiles?
[10:13] <Burgwork> breaking out menu, etc.
[10:14] <LaserJock> oh, yeah
[10:14] <Burgwork> a sabayon server with a webfront end would rock
[10:14] <Burgwork> elminate the issue of having sabayon only useable on linux pcs
[10:17] <ogra> we'll get something like that in the future :)
[10:20] <LaserJock> so basically I need to: teach sabayon about groups, make it understand modular prfiles, and make sure it handles conflicts
[10:39] <LaserJock> hmm, would have been handy if they left doc strings or comments
[11:45] <cbx33> hi all
[11:46] <cbx33> ping ogra
[11:48] <mhz> cbx33: hi there
[11:48] <cbx33> hi mhz


[05:04] <bigjools> thought it was too good to be true - LP session cookie finally invalidated after over a year
[05:16] <wgrant> I changed the session storage format, so had to wipe them all.
[06:26] <bigjools> how many api scripts will that break.... hahga
[06:27] <wgrant> bigjools: None. OAuth tokens were unaffected.


[07:51] <webchat26> Hello everyone - I am hoping I can get some support on my xubuntu install
[07:57] <Bashing-om> !ask | webchat26
[08:05] <webchat26> Blank screen when resuming from suspend. I am using two Dell inspiron laptops, works fine on one, having no luck on the other. Have googled and tried various things without any luck. I have tried different versions of Xubuntu
[08:16] <webchat26> !patience
[08:20] <gnrp> webchat26: What notebooks are these specific?
[08:21] <gnrp> webchat26: And btw, this is pretty surely not xubuntu-related. You might find more help in the ubuntu or another Linux channel which deals with this topic in particular
[08:21] <gnrp> webchat26: And what GPUs do you have in there?
[08:23] <webchat26> Inspiron 11 3000 Series(AMD) - 3180 , 7th Generation AMD A9-9420e Processor with Radeon(TM) R5 Graphics
[08:26] <gnrp> webchat26: A quick google turns up this on ehere: https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-drivers/open-source-amd-linux/1089720-amdgpu-laptop-suspend-hang
[08:27] <gnrp> or here: https://archived.forum.manjaro.org/t/hp-envy-x360-13-ryzen-3500u-suspend-and-resume-not-working/135127


[17:10] <cjohnston> I'm moving alot of my files around to reorganize. I'm doing this on my desktop.. My current problem is that my laptop is downloading what it believes is "new" files but hasn't yet removed the "old" files which is causing my to run out of HDD space.. is there any way to force along the "removal" of the "old" files?


 Le FOSDEM était bien ?
[07:56] <pitti> flocculant: yeah, just saw a warning in my inbox, I guess some server admin will be in order :-(
[07:57] <flocculant> yup ;)
[07:57] <pitti> didrocks: oui, merci ! J'ai rentré très tard, je suis un peu fatigue
[07:57] <pitti> mais c'était grand à nouveau, et ... my talk got quite some nice feedback
[07:58] <didrocks> pitti: oh, talked about cockpit or systemd?
[07:58] <didrocks> talk*
[07:58] <didrocks> ( :( for your server, sorry)
[07:59] <flocculant> morning didrocks :)
[07:59] <pitti> well, I have backups of the mysql db, and will of course change passwords --  but I am running the current wordpress version, not sure how to defend against it
[08:00] <didrocks> hey flocculant ;)
[08:00] <didrocks> oh, it's not even an ancient wordpress version? Urgh, unnice
[08:00] <didrocks> (I did move to static site generation for other reasons, but this is one of them)
[08:02] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:02] <seb128> hey pitti flocculant, re didrocks
[08:02] <didrocks> re seb128 !
[08:04] <pitti> bonjour seb128 ! c'était bien à te revoir *accolade*
[08:04] <flocculant> hi seb128
[08:04] <didrocks> pitti: what was your talk about? I'll jump on the video :)
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, salut, oui, dommage que je ne pouvais pas rester samedi soir j'aurais aimé manger avec toi ... c'était une bonne soirée ?
[08:05] <pitti> didrocks: video isn't yet available; it was about how ubuntu does CI, I'm sure you know all about it already :)
[08:06] <didrocks> oh *that* thing :)
[08:06] <pitti> seb128: oui, on a pris le diner avec huit gens dans le centre de ville
[09:00] <willcooke> morning all
[09:03] <Laney> morning!
[09:03] <willcooke> hi Laney, are you really here?
[09:03] <Laney> erm
[09:03] <Laney> physically
[09:03] <willcooke> You're on a swap day though?
[09:04] <pitti> hey Laney -- made it back in one piece?
[09:04] <Laney> willcooke: just checking on some bits, probably fade away in a while
[09:04] <Laney> hey pitti
[09:04] <willcooke> Laney, cool
[09:04] <Laney> there was some delays at midi
[09:05] <Laney> the announcements were blaming british border control /o\
[09:05] <Laney> so our eurostar was ~1h delayed, got back at like midnight
[09:05] <Laney> how about you?
[09:09] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[09:09] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:09] <Laney> get back ok?
[09:10] <seb128> yes mostly, had to change train and wait for a connection for like 30min but that was announced, they are work in the line to amsterdam scheduled over saturday/sunday
[09:10] <seb128> they are->there was
[09:11] <seb128> Laney, did the 1h hour delay cascade in making you miss your train in London, etc and end up making you be like 3 hours later than scheduled?
[09:11] <Laney> there was another one soon after we arrived
[09:12] <Laney> so not too much additional delay
[09:12] <seb128> cool
[09:12] <Laney> like 20 people were running from the eurostar
[09:12] <Laney> it was great
[09:12] <seb128> how was the rest of fosdem? fun saturday evening? did you manage to get on bed before midnight? ;-)
[09:13] <Laney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLbWBlB2aWA
[09:14] <Laney> yeah it was good
[09:14] <Laney> we went to the "usual" thai place
[09:15] <seb128> GNOME beer?
[09:15] <Laney> & sunday was fun, some nice talks & met more people that I didn't even manage to see
[09:15] <Laney> including doko, sladen, etc
[09:16] <Laney> didn't go there in the end, got quite late
[09:16] <Laney> desr_t did though
[09:17] <didrocks> hey willcooke, sad to hear you had delays Laney :(
[09:17] <Laney> hey didrocksssss
[09:20] <Laney> python asyncio is weird
[09:20] <Laney> Exception ignored in: <object repr() failed>
[09:20] <Laney> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.5/asyncio/tasks.py", line 85, in __del__
[09:20] <Laney> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute '_PENDING'
[09:26] <pitti> Laney: oh, did you see that talk yesterday, too?
[09:27] <pitti> I found it very interesting, particularly as I know how the usual callback-style "reverse code order" looks like in things like udisks
[09:29] <Laney> pitti: no - I didn't actually know there was one on this stuff
[09:29] <Laney> I must be playing with it independently
[09:29] <Laney> do you have a link?
[09:30] <pitti> Laney: https://fosdem.org/2017/schedule/event/python_coroutines/
[09:30] <pitti> Laney: no video yet
[09:30] <pitti> Laney: hah, what a coincidence then
[09:31] <Laney> awesome!
[09:32] <Laney> apart from this exception my thing works, but I'm sure it's not idiomatic
[09:48] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:49] <davmor2> Laney: good weekend?
[09:58] <Laney> hey davmor2
[09:59] <Laney> very good thanks, nice to see everyone
[09:59] <Laney> you should come one time
[10:01] <seb128> hey davmor2
[10:02] <davmor2> Laney: pfff I'd wind up breaking it you know me :)
[10:02] <Laney> you might break yourself :-o
[12:24] <davmor2> Laney: only if I go rockclimbing apparently ;)
[14:46] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, could you create series specific ppa for 5.3?
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> Morning
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> Had some connectivity issues earlier and my IRC bouncer ate itself.
[15:36] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[15:36] <flexiondotorg> seb128 o/
[16:04] <qengho> flexiondotorg: Arm support in Chromium is a bit wonky because of our constraint of Hard Float. Do you think the R F would be interested in helping sort out the run-time conditional Neon support? Upstream assumes ARM v7 == has Neon unconditionally, which I have had to hack out in many places.
[16:06] <qengho> And run-time conditional scares me a bit because I have heard of hardware that switches between CPUs with different capabilities and instruction-sets to save power.
[16:07] <flexiondotorg> qengho Thay might be.
[16:07] <flexiondotorg> Just being able to tell them this is much futher forward than they are right now.
[16:07] <flexiondotorg> They have no upstream insight.
[16:07] <flexiondotorg> And thank for taking a look :-)
[16:07] <flexiondotorg> Indeed.
[16:07] <qengho> flexiondotorg: My pleasure. It's pretty good code so far.
[16:08] <flexiondotorg> I've built other stuff for R F and had disable Neon and (I think) VFP.
[16:08] <flexiondotorg> qengho Does it need spliting up?
[16:09] <flexiondotorg> For example memcpy() optimisations in one patch and mmal in other etc?
[16:09] <qengho> flexiondotorg: Yes, it will. I suggested quilt patchsets in email, if they want guidance on how.
[16:10] <flexiondotorg> I think they would appreciate the help.
[16:10] <flexiondotorg> Are you able to help (sponsor in some fashion) get the patches accepted?
[16:10] <qengho> flexiondotorg: Yes.
[16:11] <flexiondotorg> Excellent. I thought that was the case :-)
[16:11] <qengho> flexiondotorg: I don't have a magic wand, but I know how.
[16:11] <flexiondotorg> Cool.
[16:11] <flexiondotorg> And I take it monolithic patches won't fly?
[16:12] <qengho> Yeah, the explanation and justification for making code larger and likely more buggy has to be pretty convincing, with no surprises or extraneous code.
[16:14] <qengho> Small patches that do one coherent thing are best.
[16:15] <qengho> Maybe not all will go in. One poison pill might ruin the whole patch. Best to be severable.
[16:19] <flexiondotorg> I've replied to your mail. Do you have any objection with being put in contact with the engineer at R F to get them up to speed on preparing quilt patch sets?
[16:19] <qengho> Not at all.
[16:19] <flexiondotorg> Cheers.
[16:55] <dobey> flexiondotorg: hi! how does MATE start indicators? does it use upstart/systemd, or is it relying on xdg autostart facilities?
[17:28] <flexiondotorg> dobey Via mate-indicator-applet which is a mate-panel applet.
[17:29] <flexiondotorg> Indicators are actually disabled by default.
[17:29] <flexiondotorg> MATE Tweak has an option to enable them, which just add mate-indicator-applet to the panel and reloads the panel.
[17:29] <flexiondotorg> qengho I've got engineer details from R F.
[17:30] <dobey> flexiondotorg: ok, so getting rid of the old xdg autostart in indicators shouldn't break mate image (i see some indicators are seeded there)?
[17:31] <flexiondotorg> dobey I'll have to refresh my memory to be sure, it's been a while.
[17:31] <flexiondotorg> I'll double check tonight.
[17:32] <flexiondotorg> But my initial feel this will actually benefit MATE :-)
[17:33] <flexiondotorg> Which indicators are you going to change BTW?
[17:33] <dobey> flexiondotorg: ok, that'd be great, thanks. i'm doing a quick sweep through indicators to try and get rid of some of this legacy stuff
[17:33] <flexiondotorg> I've got a test VM I can test with later.
[17:34] <dobey> flexiondotorg: all of them, but session, sound, power, messages, and indicator-application seem to be seeded in ubuntu-mate.
[17:34] <flexiondotorg> This is what Ubuntu MATE currently has in /etc/xdg/autostart
[17:35] <flexiondotorg> indicator-application, indicator-messages, indicator-sound
[17:35] <flocculant> dobey: I saw you mentioon xfce about this a few days ago - I can't answer the in's and out's I'm afraid - but I do know we had a bug a while back in the zesty cycle that might shed light > bug 1648889
[17:36] <flocculant> and copy what flexiondotorg said re /etc/xdg/autostart
[17:37] <dobey> flocculant: ah. that seems to suggest that xnox added a systemd target for xfce4 indicators.
[17:38] <dobey> and looks like it was using upstart before
[17:38] <xnox> flocculant, probably mate-indicator-applet needs a tweak similar to xfce4
[17:38] <xnox> indeed, no more upstart for indicators in zesty
[17:39] <dobey> xnox: do you know if any of the seeds are using xdg autostart for indicators? some are in kubuntu, lubuntu, budgie, and gnome, too
[17:39] <flexiondotorg> dobey I njust move indicator-* out of /etc/xdg/autostart and added to mate-indicator-applet.
[17:40] <flexiondotorg> Log out, log in and all indicators are present and correct.
[17:40] <dobey> flexiondotorg: ok great. thanks
[17:40] <flexiondotorg> So non-issue for MATE.
[17:41] <flocculant> dobey: hope that helps :)
[17:41] <flocculant> xnox: thanks
[17:41] <dobey> yep, thanks :)
[17:50] <flocculant> don't break it or I will whine :p
[17:55] <jbicha> dobey: ubuntu-gnome doesn't use indicators, libappindicator3-1 recommends indicator-application which is why it ends up in the -gnome seed
[17:56] <jbicha> for budgie, ask fossfreedom (he's in #ubuntu-devel )
[18:49] <jc44> Hi - John Cox here, flexiondotorg suggested that I try to talk to qengho about my Chromium patches here
[18:49] <qengho> jc44: Welcome.
[18:50] <qengho> jc44: I'm reading a single large patch now, so I know what's in it and what to suggest.
[18:51] <jc44> Good Oh - I was just about to ask that
[18:52] <jc44> Much of the patch is interrelated, but it does split into a few pieces
[18:52] <jc44> There's a bit that does decode & resize using the Pi h/w
[18:53] <jc44> There's a slew of patches that attempt to get the ARGB image created by the h/w to display without copying it
[18:54] <jc44> There's a patch to use shm to copy the image to the screen rather than putimage
[18:54] <qengho> jc44: Awesome!
[18:54] <qengho> All great.
[18:54] <jc44> And there are a few patches to get armv6 compiles to work
[18:54] <jc44> (and aauto select armv7 where appropriate)
[18:55] <jc44> and a patch or two so I get version info on my patch out of the image so I know what someone is running
[18:56] <jc44> None of these are currently controled by gn flags as I really wasn't expecting upstream to want them
[18:57] <qengho> Cool. Upstream has different people in charge of distinct directories of the source tree. One person is unlikely to know enough about other parts enough to say "this looks good enough". So, patches that are small as possible have a chance of success.
[18:58] <qengho> jc44: I can help with GN.
[18:59] <jc44> 1st off - do you have any clue if upstream would want he Pi-only h/w decode?  If not then much of teh reset becomes academic
[18:59] <jc44> That was meant to be "the rest"
[19:01] <qengho> jc44: I'm pretty sure they'd take it. RPi is not obscure. Half the people in that project own one or two Pis, I'm sure.
[19:04] <qengho> jc44: You'll also have to sign their agreement. http://dev.chromium.org/developers/contributing-code#TOC-Legal-stuff
[19:05] <jc44> There are a couple of bits that are more hacky than other bits - the decode itself is (I think) quite presentable, but the side channel I use for telling it what image size is wanted is really quite nasty...
[19:08] <jc44> I probably can't sign the agreement myself - I'm working for RPi so I imagine that they have to be the ones to do that
[19:10] <qengho> jc44: Right.
[19:14] <jc44> qengho: Any clues on how to start this?  Let's talk about those pieces in email.
[19:17] <jc44> Sure - I'm going to have to go home quite soon anyway (in UK)
[19:18] <qengho> jc44: Okay.
[19:50] <flexiondotorg> jc44 Hi
[19:50] <flexiondotorg> I was in a meeting.
[19:53] <flexiondotorg> qengho Thanks for that ^ :-)
[20:00] <willcooke> morning robert_ancell
[20:01] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi
[20:14] <flexiondotorg> robert_ancell o/
[20:14] <flexiondotorg> willcooke You still alive?
[20:14] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, otp
[20:19] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, done
[20:19] <robert_ancell> flexiondotorg, hi!
[20:19] <flexiondotorg> willcooke I was just asking after your well being :-)
[20:20] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, that's very nice :)  I am indeed alive, feeling better actually
[20:20] <willcooke> (that this morning)
[20:20] <willcooke> *than
[20:20] <flexiondotorg> Good :-)
[20:30] <willcooke> right ho, night all
[20:51] <flocculant> robert_ancell: hi there - have you had chance to look further at the locking issue? bug 1656399
[20:53] <robert_ancell> flocculant, I haven't had time to look into more detail, but it's on my list of things to fix before 17.04
[20:54] <robert_ancell> Unless someone else wants to fix it :)
[20:54] <flocculant> robert_ancell: ok and yea I understand - only wish I could :)


[22:42] <tomreyn> https://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.html is outdated /incomplete (missing impish + jammy at the bottom at least) - is it supposed to be maintained?


[11:37] <Unit193> Logan_: ...Think you'd consider a synergy update that fixes two bugs (new upstream release) if I dropped a few changes?  (Already contacted the Debian maintainer.)
[11:38] <Unit193> (And generally Ubuntuized it.)
[22:30] <Logan_> Unit193: the Debian maintainer isn't working on packaging the new upstream release?