[00:13] <weather_forecast> :)
[00:14] <weather_forecast> whats the best safest way to mass rename files is following way - all files containing text 'sample' are having this part of their name renamed to 'samk'
[02:37] <Macer> hello. i was just a bit curious. i have a box with 4x3TB drives and wanted to start using btrfs or zfs .. is btrfs stable enough nowadays to use it in a similar fashion to raidz?
[04:04] <cridenour> So I tried to reinstall util-linux and now get a "mount: not found" - I managed to get a USB version into rescue mode for the system. What's the best way to fix this?
[04:40] <Macer> hm. i'm getting a blanked out screen when ubuntu server 14.04 boots
[04:49] <dw1> video driver issue ?
[04:49] <dw1> using a GUI on it ?
[04:49] <Macer> no
[04:49] <Macer> rather fresh install .. seemed to get past the fb part.. was starting up services and then just went blank
[04:50] <Macer> does ubuntu-server install allow you to configure a raid5 btrfs from the install?
[04:50] <Macer> maybe i'll just try to install directly to the hdds instead of using a thumb drive to boot it
[04:51] <Macer> i know i didn't see the option earlier when i tried to install it to a thumb drive but i doubt it would show it considering there was only the thumb drive to install to
[04:51] <dw1> might wanna check the logs
[04:52] <Macer> it seems more like a crash than a fb issue
[04:52] <Macer> i can't check the logs because i can't ssh to the box and the console is blanked
[04:52] <dw1> recovery mode or liveusb + mount ?
[04:53] <Macer> i'm actually going to try to run it from a liveusb in a minute
[04:53] <Macer> to see where it went wrong
[04:53] <dw1> yea you can check logs from there
[04:54] <Macer> it could be because i installed using a laptop then moved it to another pc to try to boot.. but i don't see why that should be an issue
[04:54] <dw1> :)
[04:54] <Macer> and it seems that btrfs installed as root doesn't do it cleanly
[04:54] <Macer> you need an ext(2/3/4) partition
[04:54] <Macer> which is why i was trying to boot from a thumb drive
[04:54] <dw1> may be beyond the scope of official support :p
[04:55] <Macer> booting from a thumb drive and using btrfs?
[04:55] <dw1> btrfs is 'experimental'
[04:55] <Macer> oh
[04:55] <Macer> is zfs on the same boat?
[04:55] <dw1> according to wikipedia at least
[04:55] <dw1> dont know
[04:56] <Macer> i thought btrfs was supposed to be stable as of late
[04:56] <dw1> im sure people will help anyway, just sayin' you might take some flak for it :p
[04:56] <Macer> but first let me try to boot this install thumb drive heh
[04:56] <Macer> well.. these things don't get fixed until someone uses them ;)
[04:57] <Macer> the random blanking/crashing is problematic
[04:57] <Macer> heh
[05:00] <dw1> yes
[05:00] <Macer> problem reading data from the cdrom?
[05:00] <Macer> wth? :)
[05:01] <Macer> not sure what happened there. i just did a straight dd from the iso
[05:01] <Macer> to a thumb drive
[05:52] <xzavier> hello everyone ,
[05:52] <xzavier> i got a problem, my ubuntu 14.04 can not save the brightness setting.
[05:53] <xzavier> when i reboot computer, the brightness back to 100%, does anyone has this problem?
[06:10] <dw1> xzavier: hrm, lots on google http://google.com/search?q=ubuntu+not+saving+brightness -- sorry, no personal exp
[06:10] <xzavier> i just searching that with google,
[06:10] <xzavier> thanks
[06:10] <dw1> i expect you will win soon. :)
[06:10] <dw1> hehe
[06:11] <xzavier> haha
[09:56] <h3r1> hello there... i have a strange issue with samba shared folders... some folders are always accessible while otheres are only accessible (visible) after accessing the server via ssh... could anybody help me?
[10:06] <ranno> i believe my ubuntu server got hacked a few hours ago
[10:07] <ranno> i got an email from digitalocean. : We've had to unfortunately reboot your Droplet graafik due to an issue on the underlying physical node where the Droplet runs.
[10:08] <ranno> i managed to login via digitalocean online console. found out that all connections were dropped from ssh, http, https etc
[10:09] <ranno> i investigated the bash history, where i saw some weird commands that didnt ring a bell to me
[10:09] <ranno> http://i.imgur.com/CHJ9MIw.png
[10:09] <ranno> starting from iptables save
[10:10] <ranno> seems that someone has hacked into the server and turned off the prots
[10:10] <ranno> ports *. cpu load is nearly 100%. two-three processes that take the most memory are labelled "sh"
[10:10] <dw1> if so then they had root access which means the only way to clear them out is re-image
[10:10] <ranno> they change their pid's every few seconds
[10:11] <ranno> yes, i thought about re-imaging the system and it is my next step
[10:11] <ranno> BUT
[10:11] <ranno> i need to get a database dump before
[10:11] <dw1> :(
[10:11] <ranno> now the interesting part starts
[10:11] <ranno> nearly every command i type in fails
[10:11] <dw1> should do that daily ideally if not too big
[10:12] <dw1> hmm
[10:12] <ranno> yes, from now on i will do it :D
[10:12] <ranno> mysqldump would help me out BUT http://i.imgur.com/T12cBjK.png
[10:12] <dw1> well if youre on a console connection then i would shut dwn the networking asap
[10:12] <dw1> so the guy cant do stuff anmore
[10:13] <ranno> i believe it is used for bitcoin mining
[10:14] <dw1> and find and kill the processes
[10:14] <dw1> whatever they are
[10:14] <ranno> the process id changes every few seconds
[10:14] <dasjoe> That's unusual for mining
[10:15] <ranno> here is the output of top
[10:15] <ranno> http://i.imgur.com/Sp6bJ6W.png
[10:15] <dasjoe> Paste a "ps aux", like "ps aux | pastebinit" or manually on a pastebin
[10:16] <dw1> you can get the parent process id
[10:17] <dw1> ps -f
[10:17] <dw1> umm
[10:17] <dw1> ps -ef
[10:18] <dw1> anyway you should shut off networking until you want to send off your backup
[10:19] <ranno> yeah im trying to get the results to you. but the online-console does not have mouse interactivity and the keyboard layout is really weird. i can not find the | character. copy/paste does not work also
[10:19] <dw1> just in case the boogeyman is watching you and decides to destroy everything
[10:19] <h3r1> hello there... i have a strange issue with samba shared folders... some folders are always accessible while otheres are only accessible (visible) after accessing the server via ssh... could anybody help me?
[10:19] <ranno> how to turn off the networking the right way _
[10:19] <dw1> ifdown <iface>
[10:20] <ranno> done
[10:20] <dw1> now do you dumps and zips and stuff
[10:20] <dw1> tar czfp to maintain permissions
[10:21] <ranno> i only need the mysql database backup
[10:21] <ranno> but yeah, i can not execute nearly anything
[10:21] <ranno> i try to get the ps aux response to you
[10:22] <dw1> h3r1: dont know bout that
[10:22] <dw1> ranno: iptables -F will flush the firewall
[10:23] <ranno> ps aux output
[10:23] <ranno> http://i.imgur.com/vJec9AY.png
[10:23] <dw1> ranno: ps -ef will show PPID = parent process
[10:24] <ranno> ok ps -ef output
[10:24] <ranno> http://i.imgur.com/o4CNqPN.png
[10:24] <dw1> ranno: if you do iptables -F the rules he added to /etc/iptables/rules.v4 wont be re-run until reboot .....
[10:25] <ranno> http://i.imgur.com/MFheFCz.png
[10:25] <dw1> ranno: youre just looking for the parent of the processes using 100% cpu if you care to kill them
[10:25] <dw1> ranno: otherwise just ignore them get your dump, offload it and reimage
[10:26] <ranno> i will probably save the current image for later investigation
[10:26] <ranno> but the main problem is that i can not make the dump
[10:26] <dw1> ranno: easy answer is they brute forced your root pw
[10:26] <ranno> executables do not work
[10:26] <dw1> ranno: or they stole your private key from home comp
[10:26] <dw1> hmm
[10:27] <ranno> this is what i get when i try to execute something
[10:27] <ranno> http://i.imgur.com/T12cBjK.png
[10:27] <dw1> what if you just type bash
[10:28] <ranno> nothing happens
[10:28] <dw1> prob opened a new shell
[10:28] <dw1> might seem like nothing happened :)
[10:28] <dasjoe> What makes you believe you got hacked, anyway? DigitalOcean told you they had to reboot your system
[10:29] <ranno> bash_history commands that i do not recall
[10:29] <dw1> what about things like echo does that run
[10:29] <ranno> echo displays a new line
[10:29] <ranno> yeah
[10:29] <ranno> echo works
[10:30] <dw1> what about mysql
[10:30] <ranno> bash: /usr/bin/mysql: cannot execute binary file
[10:30] <dw1> does it still have executable flags
[10:31] <dw1> ls -al /usr/bin/mysqldump
[10:31] <dasjoe> Also, they're probably using a US layout, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_United_Kingdom.svg for an approximate mapping to a ISO layout
[10:31] <ranno> yeah i even chmodded 777
[10:32] <dw1> well
[10:32] <dw1> you can always copy the mysql files directly
[10:32] <dw1> if they havent been destroyed
[10:32] <dw1> look in /var/lib/mysql/databasename
[10:33] <dw1> MyISAM tables?
[10:33] <dw1> im an innodb noob :p
[10:33] <ranno> yeah , the files still exist
[10:34] <dw1> tar work?
[10:34] <ranno> seems so
[10:34] <dw1> well then just tar up your /var/lib/mysql/*
[10:35] <ranno> i have to admit i have never really understood the tar flags
[10:35] <dw1> may be able to skip some things.. like ib* .. not 100% certain
[10:35] <dw1> tar czfp /path/to/archive.tgz /var/lib/mysql
[10:35] <dw1> -c create -z gzip -f filename -p keep permissions
[10:36] <dw1> also note your mysql version ..
[10:36] <dw1> if you can
[10:37] <dw1> dpkg -l | grep mysql
[10:37] <dasjoe> I seriously doubt you got hacked, ranno. You probably installed some package for the wrong architecture, thus a script can't execute a binary and retries, this are the sh processes which consume 100% cpu
[10:38] <ranno> i havent logged in for a week or so
[10:38] <ranno> but tbh, i now also doubt the hacking
[10:38] <dasjoe> Yeah, DigitalOcean told you they rebooted the system
[10:38] <dw1> maybe they ran teh iptables stuff
[10:38] <ranno> i get errors like \read-only file system
[10:38] <ranno> when trying to tar
[10:39] <dw1> wtf mode did they reboot into :)
[10:39] <dw1> http://askubuntu.com/questions/175739/how-do-i-remount-a-filesystem-as-read-write
[10:40] <ranno> http://i.imgur.com/uWtvK0G.png
[10:41] <dw1> is there anything malicious in /etc/iptables/rules.v4 ?
[10:42] <dw1> 'cause thats all the bash history says was modified
[10:42] <dw1> not too nefarious really
[10:42] <bekks> ranno: remount the filesystem read-write.
[10:43] <dw1> not like they wrote echo "haha you got owned" > /i-am-the-best
[10:43] <ranno> iptables rules
[10:43] <ranno> http://i.imgur.com/9EdQLfW.png
[10:43] <dw1> hehe
[10:43] <dw1> yea that looks not so bad
[10:44] <bekks> quite wrong actually.
[10:44] <bekks> There are no ports above 65535 :)
[10:44] <dw1> still not obviously malicious
[10:45] <bekks> Indeed.
[10:45] <dw1> tell them they rebooted wrong and to fix it :p
[10:45] <bekks> I second that.
[10:45] <ranno> when trying mount -o remount /
[10:45] <h3r1> i cannot access some samba sheres until i connect to the server via ssh. i want the samba share folders to be alway visible, without ssh connection... can somebody help me out?
[10:46] <bekks> ranno: Thats not the correct command.
[10:49] <ranno> remount,rw ?
[10:49] <bekks> ranno: Read the link given.
[10:51] <dw1> a proper boot should be rw.. dont know why it booted ro
[10:51] <dw1> but that likely explains all the stuff like no ssh
[10:52] <ranno> after reboot now
[10:52] <ranno> it said that there is something to fix
[10:52] <ranno> pressed F
[10:52] <dw1> drive failing? :/
[10:52] <ranno> and some indodes had something of value 2 that had to be 1
[10:52] <bekks> dw1: It perfectly does. No PID file can be written on a ro fs. So almost every daemon, including sshd, fails to start.
[10:54] <h3r1> please, does anybody have at least a hint for me?
[10:57] <dw1> h3r1: http://askubuntu.com/questions/274138/samba-only-works-if-logged-in-over-ssh ?
[10:58] <dw1> google ftw? :)
[10:59] <ranno> i try to umount as shown in the article
[10:59] <ranno> but i get "device is busy
[10:59] <dw1> ranno: if it mounts properly on boot shouldnt need to do that.....
[11:00] <dw1> ranno: if it doesnt mount properly on boot.. tell your provider they broke it, if they're mildly responsive, and especially if its managed
[11:00] <bekks> ranno: you cannot umount /
[11:00] <dw1> ranno: report the inode thing too
[11:01] <ranno> so okay the partition identifier is /dev/vda
[11:01] <ranno> what should the mountpoint be _
[11:01] <h3r1> dw1 thanks for the link... indeed, my share is an encrypted one... does it mean, that i have to be connected via ssh always that i want to access this share? how can i automatically mount it via ssh?
[11:01] <bekks> ranno: look at your /etc/fstab
[11:01] <bekks> h3r1: Yes, it means you need to connect using ssh prior using samba.
[11:02] <h3r1> bekks thank you
[11:02] <dw1> h3r1: or move it out of the encrypted folder
[11:04] <h3r1> dw1 is it convenient at all to hacve my home-folder encrypted on the server? i did it for security reasons...
[11:04] <dw1> h3r1: maybe you can hack it http://google.com/search?q=automatically+mount+encrypted+samba+share
[11:04] <lak-kal> hi, some soft for nikon D3200 to control from computer?
[11:05] <dw1> h3r1: i encrypt at home and on laptop mostly to prevent physical access
[11:05] <bekks> lak-kal: Define "control" a bit further please.
[11:05] <dw1> h3r1: you may not be able to protect against a snooping provider.. not sure
[11:06] <dw1> h3r1: at least not while youre logged in
[11:06] <dw1> h3r1: so it may or may not be beneficial
[11:06] <h3r1> dw1 so encryption only helps in case of phisical access?
[11:06] <bekks> h3r1: Actually yes.
[11:07] <lak-kal> bekks: control = manage,
[11:07] <ranno> etc/fstab shows two mount points> /proc and /
[11:07] <bekks> ranno: And?
[11:07] <ranno> first has a file system proc and the second has UUID=3107///
[11:07] <bekks> ranno: So look at the UUIDs your system: sudo blkid
[11:08] <bekks> lak-kal: I'd say "digikam", but it more for managing your photos.
[11:08] <dw1> h3r1: id say its unlikely your provider will snoop or have your server stolen.. :)
[11:08] <dw1> h3r1: but if someone brute forces some account or something i guess encryption could be good
[11:09] <dw1> h3r1: dont know :)
[11:09] <ranno> bekks: okay i get /dev/vda and LABEL and UUID values
[11:09] <ranno> bekks: i still dont get where do i get the mount point value
[11:09] <dw1> h3r1: assuming you have a remote server btw
[11:09] <dw1> h3r1: in a standard secure facility :)
[11:09] <bekks> ranno: the mount point is /
[11:10] <bekks> ranno: Just call your ISP to fix that issue. They broke it, they have to repair ir.
[11:10] <lak-kal> take pictures from computer : http://www.lmscope.com/produkt22/Nikon_Camera_Control_Pro_2_es.shtml
[11:10] <bekks> *it
[11:12] <lak-kal> bekks: take pictures from computer : http://www.lmscope.com/produkt22/Nikon_Camera_Control_Pro_2_es.shtml
[11:13] <ranno> ok thats it
[11:13] <ranno> opened a digitalocean ticket
[11:13] <h3r1> dw1, thank you for your advice
[11:14] <ranno> actually i now remember this is already the second time when i have problems with DO disks.
[11:14] <ranno> thank you for helping me
[13:19] <Macer> wow. i have no idea what is going on here
[13:19] <Macer> ubuntu just crashes when i try to boot it to install
[13:20] <Macer> weirdest thing ever
[13:20] <cfhowlett> !md5sum|Macer verify your ISO , verify the boot media
[13:20] <Macer> ubottu: it isn't the media
[13:20] <Macer> cfhowlett: i used the same one to install to another SD using a laptop
[13:20] <Macer> worked fine... would boot
[13:21] <zorgshanker> Macer: do you have multiple monitors plugged in by any chance?
[13:21] <Macer> no. just one.
[13:21] <Macer> it completely crashes the system tho. the usb turns off.. strangest thing ever heh
[13:21] <cfhowlett> Macer so ...  you did NOT take the 90 seconds required to verify the integrity of your the ISO.  right.
[13:22] <Macer> cfhowlett: no.. but the integrity should be proven by the fact i just used the same exact SD to install it onto another system?
[13:22] <Macer> the install media is fine
[13:22] <cfhowlett> Macer garbage in/garbage out
[13:22] <zorgshanker> Do it to rule it out
[13:25] <Macer> 01545fa976c8367b4f0d59169ac4866c *ubuntu-14.04-server-amd64.iso
[13:25] <Macer> it matches
[13:26] <Macer> it tries to boot.. reaches a certain point... then just crashes the entire system
[13:26] <Macer> and i can't even check the logs on it
[13:27] <Macer> either way tho. a fresh install simply crashing "just because" ... :/
[13:31] <Macer> maybe an issue with the amd apu stuff?
[13:34] <Macer> hm. let me try debian.
[14:51] <Macer> wow it's really the weirdest thing.. debian boots. ubuntu boots but reaches a certain point and crashes the whole box
[15:00] <Macer> yeah i'm at a loss. amazing.
[15:06] <Macer> there seems to be some awkward module that is loading that is making it crash. when going into recovery mode it boots fine
[15:06] <Macer> :/
[15:06] <Macer> wth
[15:06] <Macer> it just got to a login.. then the screen goes blank... and it crashes
[15:21] <Macer> ah.. ok. well.. nomodeset seems to have fixed the not booting problem :)
[16:44] <Macer> so what is the best way to do a swap when you are booting from an sd and want to create a raid5 btrfs across 4 disks?
[16:44] <Macer> do i just partition a couple GB per disk and add all the swap partitions to fstab?
[16:44] <Macer> then make the remainder btrfs partitions and create the raid5 btrfs?
[17:08] <h3r1> hello there... i made a  reinstall of ubuntuon my laptop... i have an encrypted home folder... i used to share the desktop folder via samba without problems. now after the reinstall it says it cannot mount it... any idea how i can fix this?
[18:16] <Macer> nice. set up the swap space and zfs on the 4x3TB drives
[18:16] <Macer> hopefully it survives this reboot
[18:25] <cloudman> Hi is Ubuntu server secure??
[18:26] <cloudman> What I mean is every core program vetted?
[18:26] <cloudman> Can we trust the very core of Ubuntu??
[18:26] <cloudman> Who checks these things??
[18:27] <cloudman> Who vefifies that Ubuntu is secure???
[18:28] <cloudman> Verifies sorry.
[18:30] <cloudman> I think security is to be a big thing and if any problems should be brought before the so called law big time
[18:30] <cloudman> who verifies all the software withing ubuntu???
[18:30] <cloudman> within
[18:31] <cloudman> Is Ubuntu secure??  If so who says so??
[18:32] <bekks> cloudman: Isnt it? Who says so?
[18:32] <cloudman> whatever dude
[18:32] <cloudman> who verifies ubuntu as secure software
[18:32] <cloudman> or any other distro
[18:33] <cloudman> I run bunt 12.04
[18:33] <cloudman> And I mean verify so that you can sue them later
[18:34] <cloudman> if not so
[18:34] <shauno> who does that for any OS?
[18:34] <cloudman> So, the main question is, is Ubuntu secure software and who says so
[18:34] <cloudman> Officially
[18:36] <cloudman> So does Ubunt give no promise of its core security???
[18:36] <cloudman> Ubuntu sry
[18:37] <Macer> cloudman: the nsa does
[18:37] <bekks> And the DoD, and the US Army, and and and.
[18:37] <bekks> Oh, and the NATO as well.
[18:37] <cloudman> Macer: dont make light dude on a important issue
[18:37] <Macer> yeah. they verify windows and osx as well
[18:37] <cloudman> Oh so we just piss it off
[18:37] <Macer> cloudman: depends on what you mean by "secure"
[18:38] <Macer> i don't think there is some govt agency that verifies that an OS is secure
[18:38] <cloudman> Macer:  all core software, who verifies it, simple question
[18:38] <shauno> I'm not aware of anyone who does this for any platform.  it's a fairly unrealistic expectation
[18:38] <dasjoe> It's open source, feel free to verify it
[18:39] <Macer> i an only assume there is some sort of private org within ubuntu that does it... i mean other than that it's pretty much "use our free stuff at your own risk"
[18:39] <cloudman> dasjoe: so they jus add it without looking at the code?
[18:39] <Macer> but then again who verifies if windows is secure as well?
[18:39] <cloudman> Macer:  just talking about Ubuntu here dude
[18:39] <jrwren> there are agencies who will take $$$ and verify an OS as FIPS compliant
[18:39] <jrwren> of course, FIPS is not very secure at all.
[18:40] <cloudman> geez guys just abswer the question
[18:40] <Macer> cloudman: nobody.
[18:40] <cloudman> answer sorry
[18:40] <jrwren> I do. i verify it secure.
[18:40] <cloudman> worked up as it is
[18:40] <jrwren> see. I looked at it, and I verified it.
[18:40] <Macer> like i said. i'm sure there are some internal testers...
[18:40] <cloudman> jrwren:  ;) lol
[18:41] <Macer> all it takes is one snowdenesque dev to make everything come off the rails
[18:41] <cloudman> Macer:  sure but who official and accountable??
[18:41] <jrwren> who verifies ANY os as far as your question goes. Windows or Mac or Android or Other?
[18:41] <Macer> cloudman: nobody
[18:41] <cloudman> GEEZ
[18:41] <Macer> any OS is use at your own risk. i'd assume even more so for something that is free and opensource
[18:41] <jrwren> ^^^
[18:41] <Macer> the faith based operating systems
[18:42] <cloudman> Macer:  is that a window for big shit
[18:42] <jrwren> all are faith based, aren't they?
[18:42] <dasjoe> cloudman: http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/governance
[18:42] <Macer> freebsd probably has CS students checking code
[18:42] <cloudman> jrwren: quiet dude
[18:42] <jrwren> Also, the original Q can only be answered with more questions. Secure from what?
[18:43] <shauno> there are no other questions.  he's already stated "And I mean verify so that you can sue them later".  which means nobody.
[18:43] <cloudman> Geez I think there are a lot of sysadmins here
[18:43] <Macer> cloudman: i'd guess that ubuntu is secure based on the fact that it has so many users that a flaw would be quickly found and fixed
[18:43] <Macer> obviously things get through like that little openssl debacle
[18:43] <cloudman> yeah like heart beed
[18:43] <cloudman> bleed
[18:43] <bekks> It was found and fixed within three hours.
[18:43] <jrwren> and that isn't open in the default ubuntu install.
[18:43] <bekks> What do you expect. Dude. Geez.
[18:43] <cloudman> but ran for 2 years
[18:43] <Macer> but anyways.. i finally finished setting up ubuntu-server and the zfs so i'm happy heh
[18:44] <Macer> good stuff
[18:44] <Macer> just need to set up samba in a bit and i'm done
[18:44] <jrwren> desktop OR server, heartbleed wasn't there OOTB, someone had to install an https server
[18:44] <Macer> oh.. and virtualbox i guess
[18:44] <cloudman> geez guys dont be so niave
[18:44] <bekks> cloudman: geez guy. dont make a drama out of nothing.
[18:44]  * Macer puts on his tin foil hat
[18:45] <jrwren> cloudman: what do you need?
[18:45] <cloudman> sure, greatr and helpful comment
[18:45] <Macer> you can always use option b... write your own OS :D
[18:45] <Macer> then you KNOW it's perfectly secure
[18:45] <bekks> cloudman: like all your rants before.
[18:45] <cloudman> so protective man
[18:45] <cloudman> bekks what rants??
[18:45] <Macer> and even then someone will find an exploit heh
[18:45] <jrwren> openbsd is great. I like a lot of what they do.  Yes
[18:46] <cloudman> just asked a basic question
[18:46] <shauno> "nobody" is a pretty basic answer.  so why drag it out?
[18:46] <cloudman> and you all came back and said basically that Ubuntu is not monitored for security lol
[18:47] <jrwren> that is what you did. that is not what was replied.
[18:47] <shauno> you've said you're looking for someone to accept legal liability.  no such party exists.
[18:47] <jrwren> monitoring for security is different than a formal verification.
[18:47] <jrwren> a quick duck duck go gives me this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam
[18:47] <cloudman> So Ubuntu does not take any security measures at all or even tries??
[18:47] <jrwren> cloudman: there is a security team.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam
[18:48] <cloudman> Tried they were out to lunch
[18:48] <jrwren> tried what?  What do you need?
[18:48] <cloudman> besides just asking questions here
[18:48] <cloudman> typical irc jump on someone
[18:51] <cloudman> jrwren:  lol duck duck, you have security issues?
[18:52] <jrwren> not right now.
[18:52] <jrwren> everyone has security issues at one time or another.
[18:52] <cloudman> duck duck wont let me access if I have peerblock running
[18:52] <cloudman> so much for not tracking
[18:52] <jrwren> i'm not familiar with peerblock
[18:52] <cloudman> obviously
[18:53] <jrwren> so you need to access duckduckgo while peerblock is running?
[18:53] <cloudman> so much for duck duck bull shit
[18:54] <IdleOne> Please keep the language clean
[18:54] <cloudman> thay dont track you, why they want to know my IP??
[18:54] <cloudman> IdleOne: sry
[18:54] <jrwren> who? duckduckgo?
[19:01] <cloudman> jrwren:  your quite a person
[19:02] <cloudman> very prevocative
[19:06] <jrwren> That was not my intention.  I suggest you change your tone.
[19:08] <cloudman> how do you secure your Ubuntu servers??
[19:09] <cloudman> IdleOne:  not trolling here, came with some serious questions, all I got was hostility
[19:10] <cloudman> and that jrwren who is a troll
[19:16] <jrwren> cloudman: i'm sorry.
[19:16] <cloudman> np
[19:17] <cloudman> sorry here as well, only asked some questions
[19:20] <cloudman> irc is like that I guess, gets heated very quicly
[19:21] <cloudman> too quicly at times
[19:21] <cloudman> quickly
[19:58] <lordievader> Good evening.
[21:42] <xeno_> Just tried to install fvwm-crystal on ubuntu-server, then rebooted, and still got no window manager.
[22:10] <xeno_> So now I have a fully installed gnome shell and it just comes up a gray screen with no menus.
[22:34] <fun> hey folks
[22:35] <fun> is it relatively tricky to mass rename parts of files names?
[22:35] <fun> I got soft to do it in win via regex but maybe in Linux its also easy?
[22:41] <Patrickdk> rename
[22:41] <Patrickdk> I know, it's kindof magical
[22:41] <Patrickdk> but it does do what it's name suggests
[22:42] <fun> well i want to rename part of file names
[22:42] <Patrickdk> so?
[22:42] <Patrickdk> are you telling me rename doesn't support that?
[22:43] <Patrickdk> cause I'm pretty sure I use it daily for that purpose
[22:43] <fun> I dont know how to do it, any ideas?
[22:44]  * Patrickdk wonders off to look for a better rename tool :(
[22:44] <Patrickdk> use rename?
[22:44] <fun> and syntaks?
[22:44] <fun> :D
[22:45] <Patrickdk> rename - renames files based on the perl expression passed to it
[22:45] <Patrickdk> works using standard pcre
[22:45] <Patrickdk> I dunno anything more powerful than that
[22:45] <fun> hmm I am googling syntaks
[22:46] <fun> yet to find
[22:46] <Patrickdk> no idea what a syntaks is
[22:46] <Patrickdk> you don't have man installed?
[22:46] <fun> man is too long
[22:46] <fun> I use google usually to find command I need
[22:56] <xeno_> I still don't have my complete desktop environment.  Anyone have a suggestion?  I just installed ubuntu-desktop, and there is no menu bar.  Nothing but a dropdown.
[23:00] <xeno_> There must be a step to make this work.  Obviously nobody wants it to be in documentation, because I cannot find it on google.
[23:03] <fun> hey xeno
[23:03] <fun> what do u want to do?
[23:09] <xeno_> I just have an ubuntu server install, and I want to have a desktop that works, that has basic tools.  It doesn't need to have all the bells and whistles, just a functioning desktop, with basic stuff.
[23:09] <xeno_> Like a search for apps.
[23:10] <xeno_> So I tried fvwm, and it was completely functionless.  Not even a window manager.  I tried gnome shell, and all I got was a gray screen with no function
[23:11] <xeno_> Then I tried ubuntu-desktop, and I have a right click dropdown, but no other function.
[23:11] <xeno_> It says installing ubuntu-desktop gives you everything.  Well, it doesn't.
[23:11] <xeno_> Not only does it not work, but it takes forever not to work.
[23:12] <xeno_> And the instruction I see has no other statement about giving you a fully functional desktop.
[23:15] <fun> ok
[23:15] <fun> I can help u
[23:15] <fun> but when u install desktop server gets slower
[23:15] <fun> which ubuntu u use?
[23:15] <fun> version
[23:20] <xeno_> I just need the latest ubuntu server with a desktop.  I am going to do development work on it using virtualbox.
[23:21] <xeno_> It doesn't need to be fast.  It just needs to be a good internal tools development box.
[23:22] <fun> sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[23:22] <fun> do-release-upgrade
[23:22] <fun> that goes to latest 14.04
[23:22] <xeno_> I just wish I'd installed debian server, which comes with what I need.  But my pin drive broken and I'm stuck with this now.
[23:23] <fun> then sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[23:23] <fun> simple :D
[23:26] <xeno_> And yes, I know I should have started with desktop, but again, my usb drive broke, and I need to get this done.
[23:27] <xeno_> I did do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, and it didn't work the first time.
[23:27] <xeno_> I went back and forth trying things, and it kindof works now.
[23:28] <xeno_> Ok.  I'll try the update--* sequence you describe.  Thank you.
[23:50] <fun> xeno :)


[16:33] <ahasenack> hi #security, could someone here unsubscribe ubuntu-security-sponsors from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mediawiki/+bug/1955352 ? The package is uploaded and awaiting testing, I don't think there is anything else to sponsor there
[16:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- Launchpad bug 1955352 in mediawiki (Ubuntu Focal) "Vulnerable to information disclosure through various actions" [Medium, In Progress]
[16:50] <ahasenack> actually, let me see if I can test that
[17:18] <ahasenack> hm, n/m
[17:18] <ahasenack> and I don't know if I would have sponsored that upload, I can't correlate the diff with the upstream change-id


[04:08] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[09:13] <ice9> once 23.10 is released, support is immediately stopped for 23.04 ?
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> ice9: every ubuntu release has a releasedate and an end of life date
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> ice9: you can check those on the !23.04 factoids on their releasenotes
[13:34] <guiverc> ice9, 23.04 had 9 months of supported life; 3 months still remain (mid-jan-2024 will be EOL)
[16:48] <utkojhamela> !23.04
[22:06] <elias_a> Does someone know who tampered with the ukrainian translation?
[22:11] <elias_a> What has happened is of course connected to Russia's attack war in Ukraine. I recommend analyzing the connections of the "contributor" and taking precautions. This kind of menace happens all the time now here in Finland which unfortunately is neighbor country of russia.
[22:12] <jeremy31> elias_a: should be a changelog or a commit for changes to most packages
[22:13] <elias_a> jeremy31: Yes of course. Now is the time for some new policies.
[22:14] <JanC> from what I understand the translations came fro man external site
[22:15] <JanC> so that would require their help then?
[22:16] <jeremy31> Looks like a github commit identifies the person that added the insulting translations
[22:16] <oerheks>  "Weblate is libre software web-based continuous localization system, used by over 2500 libre projects and companies in more than 165 countries."
[22:16] <elias_a> JanC: All the tranlations come from the same "external system". That is not the culprit here IMHO.
[22:16] <JanC> and some of the stuff I've seen seemed almost more juvenile than political really
[22:17] <elias_a> JanC: These dudes are young "patriotic" idiots. The question is how to keep them out of Ubuntu community and ecosystem.
[22:19] <elias_a> IMHO these menaces should be isolated from Ubuntu community.
[22:37] <Eickmeyer> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/announcement-ubuntu-desktop-23-10-release-image-is-being-updated-to-resolve-a-malicious-translation-incident/39365 will answer all of your questions regarding the incident. Any more speculation beyond that will not be done here.


[10:57] <flexiondotorg> infinity, cyphermox Ubuntu MATE and Lubuntu are keen to have an 16.10 Alpha 1. Is that on the cards?
[14:42] <LocutusOfBorg> hi, does anybody know how to make tidy-html5 migrate?
[14:42] <LocutusOfBorg> does it need a MIR?
[14:44] <LocutusOfBorg> second question: can anybody please demote mrpt to let opencv migrate? it has the same issues in Debian, and already 4 RC bugs that are preventing archs from building
[15:00] <cjwatson> apw: ^- mind looking at live-build?
[15:01] <apw> cjwatson, np
[15:23] <cjwatson> apw: thanks
[15:40] <infinity> flexiondotorg: I'll be on an airplane when A1 would be releasing, so it won't be me doing it.
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> infinity, OK.
[15:40] <infinity> stgraber: Did you want to take A1 as your usual "make sure the world isn't broken" thing?
[15:42] <stgraber> infinity: that's this week right?
[15:42] <stgraber> if so, I can take it, yeah
[15:43] <stgraber> I'm travelling for the next month or so, but still home until Friday :)
[15:43] <infinity> stgraber: It is this week, yes.
[15:43] <infinity> stgraber: Soft freeze would be nowish. :P
[15:44] <infinity> Well, in 1.25 hours.
[15:45] <flexiondotorg> stgraber, I've recently uploaded a new ubuntu-mate-artwork package.
[15:45] <infinity> stgraber: And thanks.
[15:45] <flexiondotorg> So if you want to delay for a few hours, fine by me ;-)
[15:46]  * infinity grabs his shotgun and goes coffee hunting.
[15:47] <apw> infinity, what do you use, bean-bag rounds ?
[15:49] <infinity> apw: Bird shot.  You wound the coffeebeast, and then bleed it into a mug.
[15:49] <infinity> Nothing but the freshest coffee.
[15:50] <apw> oh they normally use a bow and arrow for that kind of bleeding ...
[15:55] <stgraber> infinity: ok, let me catch up on who's actually participating
[15:55]  * stgraber sets up the tracker
[15:57] <stgraber> so lubuntu, mate and kylin
[15:57] <stgraber> Odd_Bloke, rcj: are you guys participating in alpha-1?
[15:59] <gaughen> stgraber, we are not planning to participate
[15:59] <stgraber> tracker setup done, turning off cron for the 3 affected flavors
[15:59] <stgraber> gaughen: ok
[15:59] <rcj> beat me to it
[16:00] <stgraber> cron updated
[16:01] <stgraber> will set the block in an hour
[16:01] <stgraber> other than that, I'll do the publishing on Thursday, let me know if anyone needs anything else
[16:07] <tsimonq2> thanks stgraber
[16:07] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: ^
[16:16] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, Thanks.
[16:16] <flexiondotorg> stgraber, Thanks.
[16:17] <flexiondotorg> stgraber, Ubuntu MATE would like to release the powerpc build too please.
[16:20] <stgraber> flexiondotorg: looks like it's on the manifest so should be all good
[16:21] <flexiondotorg> Thanks.
[16:21] <flexiondotorg> stgraber, Looks like I'll need to upload one package later. Shall I just ping you to request an unblock?
[16:25] <stgraber> flexiondotorg: yeah, or I can wait a bit to setup the block if you prefer
[16:26] <flexiondotorg> Well, I'm going to need several hours. Maybe 6. So I don't want to hold others up.
[18:23] <stgraber> applying the block now
[18:26] <tjaalton> infinity: is 14.04.5 lts stack a thing on ppc64el?
[18:27] <stgraber> freeze in place
[18:27] <tjaalton> hm? i'm backporting xorg from xenial
[18:28] <nacc> tjaalton: probalby not directed at you
[18:28] <stgraber> tjaalton: wasn't talking to you :)
[18:28] <tjaalton> ahh, gotcha :)
[18:28] <nacc> stgraber: should /topic be adjusted then?
[18:29] <stgraber> nacc: I don't think we really bother for alphas, because the archive isn't really frozen as it would later in the cycle and the list of packages that are affected won't fit in the topic :)
[18:29] <nacc> stgraber: ah good point
[18:37] <roadmr> hey folks! what's needed for https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590434 to be solved? we'd love to have that package landed to allow snapd to authenticate using macaroons
[18:44] <infinity> tjaalton: We built previous stacks on all arches.
[18:44] <infinity> tjaalton: Is there a reason we wouldn't do so with xenial?
[18:45] <tjaalton> infinity: ok, well right now xserver ftbfs on ppc64el, haven't looked into it yet
[18:45] <tjaalton> xenial xserver
[18:45] <tjaalton> on trusty
[18:45]  * infinity nods.
[18:46] <infinity> It's probably something trivial, but good to know.
[18:46] <infinity> Have a build log?
[18:46] <tjaalton> yep
[18:46] <tjaalton> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/ubuntu/x-staging/+build/10183393/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-ppc64el.xorg-server-lts-xenial_2%3A1.18.3-1ubuntu2.2~trusty0.2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[18:47] <tjaalton> ../../../../hw/kdrive/src/kinput.c:224:43: error: array subscript is above array bounds [-Werror=array-bounds]
[18:53] <infinity> tjaalton: Curious.  Dropping to -O2 might fix it, but odd that gcc 4.8 seems to dislike you and 5.3 is fine in this regard.  (Well, not that odd, if you look at the number of bugs filed and fixed upstream WRT that particular warning)
[18:55] <infinity> tjaalton: Did you ever get anywhere with the llvm-on-arm64 issue, or just opt for reverting to an older llvm?
[18:56] <tjaalton> infinity: that proved to be a non-issue, as mesa doesn't b-dep llvm on arm64
[18:56] <tjaalton> which probably is a bug of it's own
[18:56] <infinity> tjaalton: Ahh, so letting it just be FTBFS is fine in that case, if a bit gross.  Kay.
[18:56] <tjaalton> right
[18:57] <tjaalton> had to revert a commit to let maxclients be configurable on xserver so that it doesn't depend on a newer coreproto, which breaks all earlier servers..
[18:57] <tjaalton> but that's another non-issue I think, and safer this way
[18:57]  * infinity nods.
[18:57] <infinity> Sounds reasonable.
[18:58] <infinity> So, assuming my -O2 stab in the dark fixes xorg on ppc64el, are we close to flooding the SRU queue with uploads?
[18:59] <tjaalton> there's also the sru for libdrm which is kinda stuck on trusty. xenial got it already but I haven't tested it on trusty (a full backport with newer version plus a few added pci-id's that sru'd to xenial)
[18:59] <tjaalton> and of course llvm
[19:00] <tjaalton> and libxrandr & randrproto
[19:00] <infinity> tjaalton: That's in proposed already, though, so shouldn't block other things uploading, I hope.
[19:00] <infinity> (libdrm, that is)
[19:00] <tjaalton> indeed
[19:00] <tjaalton> was thinking ahead
[19:01] <tjaalton> anyway, I could upload the randr stuff
[19:01] <infinity> tjaalton: So, I'm off to DebConf on Thursday, I'd love to see the mess hit the queue before then, so I can get the ball rolling on dailies ASAP.
[19:02] <tjaalton> where to put that -O2 so I can test on the ppa?
[19:02] <infinity> tjaalton: Lemme grab the xorg-xenial source and fiddle with that briefly.
[19:02] <tjaalton> once the xserver builds then all the drivers are go
[19:02] <tjaalton> ok
[19:03] <tjaalton> i reverted some systemd changes too, but it might not be enough
[19:03] <tjaalton> at least it builds
[19:56] <sergiusens> RAOF hey, can you let snapcraft (2.12) go, release its chains and let it escape into xenial-updates ?
[20:03] <infinity> tjaalton: Can you try uploading something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18050427/
[20:06] <tjaalton> infinity: sure, uploaded
[20:13] <infinity> tjaalton: Looks like that worked.
[20:15] <tjaalton> oh goodie
[20:19] <infinity> tjaalton: Normally, I'd go hunting for why the code sucks, but if gcc 5.3 considers it legal, I'm down with "meh, whatever, simple backport hack" instead.
[20:19] <tjaalton> wfm
[20:43] <infinity> tjaalton: So, was that the last thing blocking moving this show to the queue?
[20:43] <infinity> tjaalton: If so, I look forward to uploads and some build order instructions tomorrow. :)
[20:44] <tjaalton> infinity: yeah
[20:45] <tjaalton> well, I could push something right now
[20:45] <tjaalton> since you're up
[20:46] <infinity> tjaalton: Sure, sooner beats later.
[20:46] <infinity> tjaalton: I just assumed you might want to sleep or, I dunno, not be at work.  But your time, your call.
[20:47] <tjaalton> i've sat on this for long enough :)
[20:47] <tjaalton> and I'll take some time off later
[20:49] <infinity> tjaalton: Sometime between now and 16.04.2, we should probably have a head-to-head and see if we can figure out how to make the HWE-X packaging less convoluted, given the decision to go to a rolling HWE stack.
[20:49] <infinity> tjaalton: Might be a good opportunity to rethink some basic assumptions.
[20:49] <infinity> tjaalton: But, another week/month.  Not today. :P
[20:49] <tjaalton> right
[20:50] <tjaalton> randrproto is first
[20:50]  * infinity goes to find that lunch he keeps putting off.
[20:50] <infinity> tjaalton: I'll be back in ~1hr to look at what's landed in my lap.
[20:50] <tjaalton> I'll upload libxrandr too
[20:51] <tjaalton> and then hit the sack
[20:51] <infinity> tjaalton: Feel free to upload a bunch of stuff (and/or all of it), I don't think anyone other than I will be touching it tonight.
[20:51] <tjaalton> indeed
[21:04] <tjaalton> infinity: ok that's everything for now. build order; llvm -> mesa -> x11proto-randr -> libxrandr -> xserver
[21:05] <tjaalton> i'll build the drivers tomorrow in the ppa for sanity checking
[21:05] <infinity> tjaalton: Ta.
[21:05] <tjaalton> and then test the upgrade
[23:20] <RAOF> sergiusens: It's only been in xenial-proposed for a day; normally we'd wait 7 before promoting to -updates. Is there anything particularly urgent here?


[00:26] <Resistance> are you monitoring the #ubuntu channel, user sekyourbox?
[00:26] <Resistance> he seems to be disruptive
[00:27] <mneptok> Resistance: i'll have a look. thanks.
[00:27] <Resistance> you're welcome.  :)
[00:53] <Corey> LjL: So quick!
[00:53] <LjL> got enough warnings
[00:54] <oogabooga> hello
[00:54] <LjL> hi
[00:54] <oogabooga> i was a bit excited i guess earlier, sorry, i was hoping to see if i could maybe get my ban shortened, please?
[00:55] <LjL> the issue is that you *were* warned about language, then you were warned about something else, and as a response you used even more foul language
[00:55] <LjL> oogabooga: i will remove the ban on the condition that you read the guidelines that i'm about to send you, and agree to respect them
[00:55] <LjL> !etiquette > oogabooga
[00:55] <LjL> !guidelines > oogabooga
[00:55] <oogabooga> ok!
[00:55] <LjL> !coc > oogabooga
[00:56] <oogabooga> ok i'm done
[00:56] <LjL> you're a fast reader aren't you?
[00:56] <oogabooga> >_>
[00:57] <oogabooga> ok i will continue reading
[00:57] <LjL> i'll just pretend you've read them. but next time the ban is going to be much longer if you still misbehave, because the assumption now is that you know them.
[01:04] <PerfM> unban me from -offtopic
[01:04] <PerfM> I made a missssstake
[01:05] <LjL> oogabooga: i'm going to bed now. when you're done reading, please part this channel and rejoin #ubuntu, and behave ;)
[01:30] <PerfM> never mind
[01:30] <PerfM> All is fair in love and war~~~
[07:52] <Guest60175> It appears I am still banned in #ubuntu
[11:32] <bastidrazor> hello ops.. for the love of pete, please fix the bots. they are -j +j'ing the channel to death.
[12:40] <popey> any chance the !lococouncil factoid can have my name removed now I'm no longer on the loco council?
[12:40] <popey> !lococouncil
[12:40] <popey> uhm
[12:40] <popey> !loco-council
[12:40] <popey> wtf
[12:41] <popey> ubot4 knows it, ubottu doesnt
[12:45] <iceroot> hi
[12:45] <iceroot> maybe its possible to stop the floodbots spaming the channel #ubuntu?
[13:13] <Myrtti> trust me, it's annoying us as much as it is annoying everyone else
[13:14] <Myrtti> there's just a limited amount of tools available for the unaccumstomed op
[13:25] <psypher246> hi all, I am a bit confused as to how ask ubuntu works. I have only ever asked one question which no-one responded to and now I am trying to answer someone else question and Ive been told I'm banned? I read the FAQ on why that happens and I don't see how my involvement could have gotten me banned??
[13:27] <Myrtti> ask ubuntu?
[13:27] <psypher246> yeah
[13:27] <psypher246> http://askubuntu.com
[13:28] <psypher246> i just asked this same question in #ubuntu and someone suggested asking it here\
[13:28] <Myrtti> well, this channel has actually prety much nothing to do with AskUbuntu website
[13:29] <Myrtti> some of us use it, but the governance has nothing to do with this channel
[13:29] <psypher246> ok thanks
[16:26] <truepurple> I was banned from ubuntu for no valid reason
[16:26] <truepurple> ikonia,
[16:26] <ikonia> truepurple: it's only a temporary ban (sorry didn't see you join here)
[16:26] <truepurple> Still no reason to ban me, and it disrupts my getting help
[16:27] <ikonia> truepurple: you've been spoken to a few times and had a few short bans/mutes in #ubuntu because of how you ask questions / interact with people helping you - I've just watched the whole incident with llutz
[16:27] <truepurple> By the time I get back, the person that was helping me might be gone
[16:27] <truepurple> and I didnt do anything wrong! llutz took me wrong, but that was llutz error. And when I tried to explain my innocuous meaning, you banned me for it!
[16:28] <truepurple> This is not right
[16:28] <truepurple> Not fair or a a reason to be banned, even temporarily
[16:30] <truepurple> ikonia,
[16:31] <LjL> truepurple: don't want to intromit myself but i'm curious, what was that about usernames?
[16:32] <truepurple> I asked the question which noone answered, is ones user name part of the password protection system of linux? If it is, then it is good for people to not know your user name, and if you slip up and publish it, it would be nice to have people not repeatedly publish it
[16:32] <truepurple> LjL,
[16:32] <LjL> i see
[16:32] <LjL> that wasn't very clear i think
[16:33] <LjL> anyway, yeah, the user name is best not known (although of course knowing it is not the end of the world)
[16:33] <truepurple> I prioritized resolving the issue with my HDD over clearing that up
[16:34] <truepurple> but now thankts to ikonia I can't finish fixing the problem I was working on
[16:35] <ikonia> sorry - I was just on the phone
[16:35] <ikonia> apologies for that
[16:35] <truepurple> I dont want to spend hours waiting for another person to respond, only to have to reexplain everything from scratch ikonia
[16:36] <truepurple> I mean with the issue I was getting help with, since I can't make further inquiries being banned from the channel
[16:36] <truepurple> and as I mentioned before, by the time I get back, llutz might be gone
[16:36] <truepurple> ikonia, how long did you set my ban anyway?
[16:36] <ikonia> truepurple: everytime you interact with someone in #ubuntu - it's a cloak and dagger afair, with miss-leading information, yo udon't listen and you get pushy with the person helping you
[16:37] <ikonia> truepurple: as a result of this you joined in #ubuntu-beginners to try to lean how to interact with people better
[16:37] <truepurple> ikonia, that is not true at all
[16:37] <ikonia> then we have different views on one of the last reasons you got banned
[16:37] <truepurple> ikonia, I join in ubuntu-beginners when I can't find someone knowledgeable to respond in ubuntu
[16:38] <truepurple> ikonia, then just deal with this case, and not anything else
[16:38] <ikonia> ok then
[16:38] <ikonia> truepurple: you need to change how you ask questions in #ubuntu
[16:38] <ikonia> you've been spoken to about this many times
[16:39] <ikonia> be straight, give real information
[16:39] <truepurple> ikonia, I was misunderstood, and the source of the misunderstanding was not my fault, the correct understanding was not hard to find for anyone not looking for reasons to find offense. When I tried to clear up the misunderstanding, you banned me
[16:40] <ikonia> truepurple: I read it the same as llutz
[16:40] <ikonia> that's why I banned you as you've had similar situations before
[16:40] <truepurple> ikonia, I have been straight, I have given real information. If I hadn't done exactly that, llutz couldn't have helped me as much as s/he did
[16:40] <ikonia> but you complained about how he helped you, which in reality was becauase you where not listening properly and changing things slightly
[16:41] <truepurple> ikonia, I have been listening, and using the information given, I couldn't do the latter without the former
[16:41] <ikonia> only because he had to repeat things 3 4 times
[16:41] <truepurple> ikonia, I never complained about anyone helping me
[16:41] <ikonia> that's not listening
[16:41] <truepurple> ikonia, no, that was not the case
[16:41] <ikonia> sorry, that's not how I read it
[16:41] <ikonia> nor how llutz read it
[16:42] <ikonia> and this situation has arrose with you a few times in the past
[16:42] <truepurple> ikonia, some repeating happened in a few pieces of information out of many given, but that was because I did not understand the order or purpose of the information, and repeating with clarification of how to apply said information was needed
[16:43] <truepurple> ikonia, I thought we agreed to only deal with this situation, so please don't talk about the past. I still have a open ticket appealing the crappy way I was treated by ops of ubuntu before
[16:43] <ikonia> again, not how I read it
[16:43] <ikonia> truepurple: your past is relevent because it's for similar situations
[16:44] <truepurple> ikonia, bringing in the past means speaking in useless vagueness that amounts to subjective opinion, and we do not agree on that past.
[16:45] <ikonia> truepurple: then we'll leave it there then
[16:45] <truepurple> ikonia, exactly why did you ban me? Please speak in extreme specificity compared to what you have been speaking in
[16:46] <truepurple> ikonia, also, I asked, how long did you set this ban?
[16:46] <ikonia> truepurple: I'm afraid I'm going to have to reference your previous issues,
[16:47] <ikonia> truepurple: I banned you (it was supposed to short until I'd had chance to talk to you) because you have had problems interacting with users in #ubuntu before, and I wasn't happy with the way you interacted with llutz after he took a lot of effort to help you
[16:47] <truepurple> ikonia, Your saying you banned me for things that have happened before, and not what happened today? That is a rhetorical question BTW, the point is, you can be specific with your reasons for today without bringing up the past
[16:47] <ikonia> I've just given you your reason and explained that the past issues suggesting there is something that needs to be corrected
[16:47] <truepurple> ikonia, not in any specific way you haven't
[16:48] <truepurple> ikonia, you speak only in broad generalities
[16:48] <ikonia> so you want me to start quoting lines and detailing exactly what I was unhappy with ?
[16:48] <ikonia> and going into your previous behaviour logs and quoting lines to back that up
[16:48] <ikonia> is that what you want, yes/no
[16:49] <truepurple> ikonia, Ok, I am not actually able to look into the history of ubuntu because of the absurd way xchat handles closed channels though:p
[16:49] <ikonia> truepurple: yes or no
[16:49] <truepurple> ikonia, yes please, a few for now if you have many
[16:49] <ikonia> truepurple: you want specifc, I want specifc, yes/no
[16:49] <truepurple> ikonia, give me a moment to respond please :p
[16:50] <truepurple> ikonia, also, if you could do the former first, then go back into other logs if necessary
[16:51] <ikonia> fine, if that's what you want, I'll waste time with this
[16:51] <ikonia> truepurple: it will take me an hour to go through the logs and document my reasoning please come back in 1 hours
[16:51] <truepurple> ikonia, well the way I want, doesn't take as much time as the way you are suggesting
[16:51] <ikonia> truepurple: what is the way you want ?
[16:52] <truepurple> ikonia, to just tell your reasons for today first, which means you dont have to dig up old chat
[16:52] <ikonia> truepurple: my reasons are you didn't appear to listen / take on board what the person who was helping you was saying, and at the end of it you complained that he did not help you direct enough, when in reality you had not been clear in your question
[16:53] <truepurple> ikonia, How long did you set my ban for? Undecided?
[16:53] <ikonia> normally this would not be an issue - but as you have had this issue in the past, I banned you (probably should have muted you) so I could take the time to talk to you
[16:53] <ikonia> truepurple: the duration of the ban was the time it took me to talk to you and be comfortable you where "ok"
[16:54] <truepurple> ikonia, "you complained that he did not help you direct enough"- this is false
[16:54] <ikonia> that's how it read in the channel
[16:54] <ikonia> 16:19 < truepurple> llutz_, why didn't you have me do it that way from the start?
[16:54] <ikonia> 16:19 < llutz_> truepurple: because _you_ really said what you really want to do/have
[16:54] <truepurple> ikonia, you spoke of quoting specific text and what you didn't like about it, would you please do that? Like what text made you think that?
[16:54] <ikonia> 16:20 < llutz_> truepurple: but sorry that i tried to help. won't happen again
[16:54] <ikonia> 16:21 < truepurple> llutz_, but if that way is better overall with no drawbacks, why didn't we
[16:55] <ikonia>                     use that from the start? I ask because I want to determine pros and cons, not
[16:55] <ikonia>                     to get you to get unnecessarily defensive.
[16:55] <ikonia> there you go, see above
[16:55] <ikonia> you have to have followed the whole converation to get the context
[16:56] <truepurple> Yeah, see that bit at the end, that explained my reason, that tells you it wasn't me "complaining he didn't help me direct enough" if you read it carefully
[16:56] <ikonia> but llutz was very patient with you, explains things a lot and had to draw out of you what you actually wanted to do, and as soon as he realised you got the direct help
[16:56] <ikonia> truepurple: I did read it carefully, and I understand that wasn't your intention, but that is how it came across
[16:57] <ikonia> I'd been following the whole conversation. I thought it was harsh to say that to the guy who had put in a pretty big effort to work you through it, and as you can see, it frustrated/annoyed him, and it would have me, as I read it the same
[16:57] <truepurple> ikonia, but if it was a misunderstanding, and I explained my actual meaning, why can't that be sufficient? It almost seems like you banned me for clearing up meaning
[16:58] <ikonia> truepurple: I understnad it wasn't a miss-understanding, however as I was referencing, you've had this problem before, so I wanted to talk to you before allowing it to escalate in #ubuntu
[16:58] <ikonia> I should have muted you with hindsight, however the effect of removing your speach from the channel so I could speak to you was the same
[16:58] <ikonia> sorry "was" a miss-understanding
[16:58] <truepurple> ikonia, ":I understnad it wasn't a miss-understanding"- you lost me there, you don't think it was a mis...
[16:59] <ikonia> sorry, that was my typo
[16:59] <truepurple> ikonia, muting would also allow me to look at channel history, would you please unban then mute me so I can review the channel history please?
[17:00] <ikonia> sorry, I'm not comfortable you actually see a problem with what you're doing
[17:00] <ikonia> if this was the only time it had happened, I would have no issue, but there have been a few issues with this situation in the past (again this was why I banned you rather than let it slide)
[17:00] <Jordan_U> !logs | truepurple
[17:00] <truepurple> You said a mute was what you intended to do anyway, and if I am muted, what harm can I do?
[17:01] <ikonia> no, looking back I should have muted you,
[17:01] <truepurple> why not do that now?
[17:01] <ikonia> there is no need to do that now, Jordan_U has just provided you to a log of the hcannel
[17:03] <ikonia> truepurple: I don't want to exclude you from the channel, that's no the intention, but you have had this issue before, and when you are spoken to about it you try to find fault in the argument, rather than actually adjusting how you interact,
[17:03] <ikonia> I'm not %100 sure of the best approach to take with you
[17:05] <truepurple> ikonia, if I disagree with your assessment of the way I "interact" and your instructions for changing how I "interact" as as deep as  essentially 'Do it better', then that is impossible
[17:05] <ikonia> I've given you a pretty good example, and the reason behind it,
[17:05] <ikonia> is there something we the team or even me individually can do to assit ?
[17:06] <ikonia> I know I've spoken to you a few times in the past, and I know others have, plus there are logs of some of the other incidents,
[17:06] <truepurple> ikonia, you gave me a example of where you and another person grossely misunderstood me, and then I tried to clear it up and you banned me right after, seemingly for trying to clear it up
[17:07] <ikonia> these misunderstandings have happened a few times though, if it was once time I wouldn't mind, they do happen, but a lot of the time you're in the channel they happen
[17:07] <ikonia> again - not trying to keep you out, just not sure what to do to suggest reducing these miss-understandings
[17:08] <truepurple> ikonia, it is not a one sided thing. I do think of things in different terms then many other people, so its not a big surprise to me that people understood something differently then me. But the thing is, this is the way my brain works. I can attempt to explain my meaning and speak in different terms, but there is limits to this. You and others also need to try to appreciate real meaning
[17:08] <ikonia> no, we don't
[17:08] <ikonia> everyone seems to manage to work with people in a regular way
[17:08] <truepurple> ikonia, I also notice that mind-set matters alot with these situations, pessimistic people looking for problems tend to see my misunderstood words badly, where as positive minded people see them well.
[17:09] <ikonia> sorry no, llutz was very positive and patient with you
[17:09] <truepurple> ikonia, llutz saw my words very negatively, and so did you,
[17:09] <ikonia> I followed the converation hoping it would not go to the normal track with you, so in some repsect I was monitoring you
[17:09] <ikonia> see, that's not nice to say
[17:10] <ikonia> llutz had been very patient and positive with you
[17:10] <ikonia> so to say he sees them negative, it's a good thing to say
[17:10] <truepurple> also, llutz did help out alot, but to describe anything lutz said as "positive" would be inaccurate, most of it was neutral in that regard
[17:10] <ikonia> ok - I'm done with this
[17:10] <ikonia> this is the issue, you don't listen and try to find fault with the discussion/issue rather htan resolve it
[17:10] <ikonia> I'm going back to what I'm doing
[17:11] <truepurple> ikonia, a moment ago you were saying 'how can we help', now your saying "I'm done" the latter makes the former seem insincere.
[17:11] <ikonia> truepurple: then you are reading my words with negative view
[17:12] <ikonia> anyway, I have other things to do rather than try to logic battle you
[17:12] <truepurple> ikonia, this is a two sided issue, I have been listening, but I have also been explaining. If you are 'done' because of said explaining, then it is you that are not listening, not me
[17:12] <ikonia> ok
[17:13] <ikonia> truepurple: if one of the other operator team members have time to discuss / help you, I'm sure they will
[17:13] <truepurple> ikonia, what words of yours did I misunderstand in a negative way, and what was your original meaning?
[17:13] <ikonia> and for the record I have no issue with the ban being removed by another team member
[17:14] <truepurple> ikonia, I still disagree with this decisions, and want to know how long I am banned, I want to finish this issue with the partition before llutz disappears
[17:14] <ikonia> if there is no other team member available, I suggest you leave come back later when the others are free or I had renewed stregnth
[17:15] <truepurple> ikonia, if we are talking hours, that will probably be too late, and that would be a major inconvenience for me considering how hard it is to find help, and the hassle of having to explain everything that already happened, not clearly understanding it all myself.
[17:15] <pangolin> truepurple: you are banned for 3 days. come back then and I will remove the ban after a brief discussion with you.
[17:15] <pangolin> have a nice day.
[17:16] <truepurple> pangolin, does that discussion require me to say I, and only I, did wrong?
[17:17] <pangolin> truepurple: we will discuss in 3 days.
[17:17] <pangolin> Please part this channel now.
[17:18] <truepurple> This is not fair, not in the least. At least its loads better then last time a OP misused powers on me, that was gross misuse beyond words, if you want to talk about the past.
[17:19] <truepurple> pangolin, are you a ops boss or something?
[17:19] <pangolin> I am the op who has decided to set your ban for 3 days
[17:20] <pangolin> if you continue to insists on more explanations before that time has elapse I will be forced to extend it.
[17:20] <truepurple> So you just randomly interjected that, not having any extra authority over another ops or knowing anything about the situation other then the conversation here?
[17:21] <pangolin> I have the authority granted to me by the Ubuntu irc council and by the original op who said he was fine with any other op removing the ban.
[17:21] <pangolin> Now please stop this and we will continue in 3 days.
[17:21] <truepurple> You are a mighty mighty tyrant of your little ant hill I see.  Yet you have the nerve to ask me not to PM you
[18:31] <truepurple> That is, my PC user name
[18:32] <ikonia> truepurple think it thorugh, your username is "top" secret , so you want to hide it, but you show me your ip address and IRC client, so that I can attack you and exploit you
[18:32] <ikonia> think it through, people are trying to get the information to help you, but you won't say as it's "secret", yet you will give me much more open/vunerable information
[18:32] <ikonia> think it through, people want info to help = "no chance, secret" stuff you can exploit and attack = "sure, here you go"
[18:33] <ikonia> not good
[18:33] <ikonia> yet you attack those asking for the information to help you
[18:33] <truepurple> Not top secret, but someone else mentioned it is possible it reduces my security slightly, and regardless I asked you not to, and you blatantly went against my wishes for no apparent reason then to anger me
[18:33] <ikonia> truepurple: you are alredy wide open
[18:33] <ikonia> why not deal with that, rather than worry about your username
[18:33] <ikonia> 67-7-98-98.frgo.qwest.net
[18:33] <ikonia> that's your IP
[18:33] <ikonia> your ISP
[18:34] <ikonia> I know you're using xchat
[18:34] <truepurple> Are you saying linux is so weak as you could hack my PC with just that?
[18:34] <ikonia> I know you're not running an ident server
[18:34] <ikonia> no, I'm saying the people who do'nt know how to manage their workstations make the system weak
[18:34] <ikonia> not Linux, the user
[18:34] <ikonia> but I'll leave you to go back to miss-leading users, then complaining that they are not helping you how you want
[18:34] <ikonia> please leave this channel and go back to wasting other peoples time
[18:35] <truepurple> I am saying that you did behavior with the intention of angering someone, and no other reason
[18:35] <ikonia> look at the other users in the channel, they are saying the SAME
[18:35] <ikonia> they want INFO
[18:35] <ikonia> it's not just me
[18:35] <ikonia> is everyone wrong to want info,
[18:35] <ikonia> get back to it, I'm done wasting time to trying to actually help you get help
[18:37] <truepurple> I have been giving information ikonia
[18:37] <pangolin> enough.
[18:37] <truepurple> The only thing missing from that screen shot was the mounting points, and I told them
[18:37] <ikonia> 18:34 < hobgoblin> no I'm not truepurple, it is obviosu to me that you try hard not to give people information when asked - as an example it has taken almost an hour to get a screenshot. Good luck.
[18:37] <ikonia> look at other people saying the same to you
[18:38] <ikonia> oops sorry pangolin didn't see you
[18:38] <pangolin> if you can't understand that you need to give specific information and ask specific questions to get the proper help then we can not help you.
[18:38] <truepurple> ikonia, so you convinced hobgoblin of your insane accusations, they still aren't true
[18:38] <pangolin> truepurple: Stop
[18:38] <truepurple> pangolin, I did give specific information asked for
[18:38] <pangolin> I don't care. you are wasting our time and yours.
[18:39] <truepurple> Why, because if one of your own is trolling, they are welcome to it?
[18:39] <pangolin> you are banned for 7 days from #ubuntu.
[18:39] <pangolin> good luck with your issues, please leave.
[18:40] <truepurple> I can get banned from a channel for inane reasons, yet ikonia is free to troll me with all his/her might, and if I complain, you lengthen the infair ban?! friggin ass
[18:40] <pangolin> ftr ikonia is a lot of things but a troll he is not.
[18:40] <truepurple> he is, he was
[18:40] <pangolin> you are behaving like a troll
[18:40] <truepurple> its a matter fo record
[23:59] <BarkingFish> evening guys - someone please keep an eye on hallman in #kubuntu - he's already had 2 warnings for abusive language, and doesn't seem to care one bit.
[23:59] <BarkingFish> He's obviously annoyed at something, we're trying to help and getting sworn at.
[23:59] <BarkingFish> ttyl.


[00:45] <tomreyn> tarvid: it's been the 'default' location on ubuntu (and debian) for the past 10 or 15 years
[00:46] <tomreyn> you can use file system permissions + sftp chroot'ing to restrict things, same as in #/home basically
[03:43] <RoyK> tomreyn: somewhere.tld/~user != somewhere.tld/user
[03:43] <RoyK> tomreyn: for the former to work, you just need the userdir module
[03:46] <RoyK> tarvid: just try to enable userdir
[09:53] <jonah> Hi can anyone help. Each evening my server's mysql crashes and fills the log file with 2016-10-23T09:20:42.318890Z 0 [ERROR] Error in accept: Socket operation on non-socket
[09:53] <jonah> which in turn causes services to go offline
[09:53] <jonah> Does anyone know a fix? I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS server
[10:12] <PCdude> I have installed openstack with conjure-up today. When I rebooted the system it is no longer active and commands like "lxc list" just hang and dont give any info
[10:12] <PCdude> How can I solve this?
[10:12] <PCdude> stokachu: maybe you have an idea?
[10:34] <tomreyn> jonah: https://www.percona.com/forums/questions-discussions/mysql-and-percona-server/44502-error-in-accept-socket-operation-on-non-socket suggests it is possible to reproduce this on percona mysql server 5.7.12-5 on debian by, as run on the server itself, 'telnet localhost 3306'. Can you?
[10:37] <tomreyn> if so, i'd suggest posting a bug report including your mysql configuration ('ubuntu-bug mysql-server' *may* do so for you) and ubuntu version. as a workaround, downgrading to mysql 5.6 may be an option (since these reports all refer to 5.7),
[10:47] <tomreyn> another workaround *may* be to only connect to the server using TCP connections (to port 3306) and to set the 'socket' option to a location where it will not be expected, preventing socket access to the server. but this is likely more error prone and complex to configure than a downgrade.
[10:50] <tomreyn> before doing anything at all, use mysqltuner or mysql tuning primer or similar to review your current configuration.
[16:28] <LostSoul> Hi
[16:28] <LostSoul> Anyone around?
[16:32] <RoyK> LostSoul: there's usually someone around, yes
[16:32] <RoyK> !ask
[16:32] <hfp> Hi, I'm currently running an old Debian, and I'd like to switch to Ubuntu. My plan is to setup Ubuntu server in a VM and then somehow copy it in place of the Debian. I have a few questions: 1. I'd like to make a backup. The system lives on / (80GB SSD) and I have 1TB of media in /dev/sdb3. I'd like to nackup / by booting a LiveCD and taking an image with `dd`. If I screw up, I can restore with dd and
[16:32] <hfp> everything will be like nothing happened. Correct? 2. I have VMs running on the Debian host using QEMU (latest for Debian, but old in other universes). How do I transfer these? I was thinking of copying their disk images and somehow extract their configuration in an XML file. Is that enough? 3. What's the best way to run VMs in Ubuntu Server, which software should I use?
[16:33] <RoyK> don't dd it - just rsync the lot and setup the new VM with the stuff you need
[16:35] <hfp> RoyK: Sorry I'm not sure I follow. I'd like to backup the system SSD in such a way that I could just wipe it all and restore it exactly the way it was before I started screwing around. If I rsync the system SSD, then I'll have to reinstall Debian and then copy the files over to restore it, correct?
[16:35] <LostSoul> RoyK: Good to see you here :)
[16:36] <LostSoul> I have problem with setting up bridge to LXC containers
[16:36] <LostSoul> They see each other on brigde IP but are  no accessible for internal network (for example I can't access them from my laptop)
[16:36] <RoyK> hfp: I see - just use dd or ddrescue to create an image file on your data disk and then reinstall
[16:36] <LostSoul> My lxc config for container: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4aa6df9f/ my brigde: http://paste.debian.net/889024/
[16:38] <RoyK> LostSoul: I haven't used LXC, but I use this brige setup with KVM http://paste.debian.net/889027/
[16:39] <LostSoul> Thanks RoyK
[16:41] <hfp> RoyK: I just thought of something. I could image the Debian machine, install Ubuntu, and then run the Debian as a VM within Ubuntu; the Debian VM running its original Virtual Machines while I transfer everything to Ubuntu. I'm not sure how long it's going to take me and I'd like to keep services running while I do it. The VMs are not very resource intensive so hopefully they'd be ok with the VM in a VM
[16:41] <hfp> penalty
[16:46] <RoyK> hfp: I'd recommend against it - it'll be easier to just migrate the old system to a new one by just reinstalling and moving the config
[16:48] <hfp> Right, so I make a backup with dd, I install Ubuntu server in a VM, and then I rsync the fully configured Ubuntu VM to Debian's / ? Or do I wipe Debian, install and configure Ubuntu, install VirtualBox, and setup the VMs from their drisk images?
[16:48] <hfp> RoyK: ^
[16:54] <RoyK> hfp: just setup a new machine and configure it like the old one
[16:55] <hfp> RoyK: I see, thanks
[16:57] <RoyK> hfp: it may seem to take longer, but it'll work, and you might even learn a little by it
[16:58] <RoyK> hfp: trying to move things between distros by rsyncing configs may work, but may also fail, because of different versions of things - so better setup the new vm from scratch
[16:59] <hfp> RoyK: Yes, that makes sense. What's the best way to run VMs in Ubuntu? VirtualBox? It's a headless home server if that makes a difference.
[17:01] <RoyK> hfp_: kvm
[17:01] <LostSoul> Promiscuous mode was not turned on... damn..
[17:01] <LostSoul> Thanks RoyK
[18:04] <hfp> I have an easy question: if a file is created on one mchine, and belongs to some user, can you chown it on another machine and make it belong to whichever user you want on that other machibne? I'd say yes, and so you can't losr files that way unless they're encrypted but I just want to make sure
[18:43] <oxkipo> Hi Im getting an error on conjure-up when deploying openstack on a single node fresh ubuntu 16.04 after updates "Exception: Unable to find /home/stack/.local/share/juju/accounts.yaml" Please may someone help me?
[19:10] <hfp> Where should I mount a partition used to store data?  I set no_root_squash in /etc/exports, but I don't know how to make it so that network clients with different UID and GID can also write to the NFS share. I remember it was a pain last time around but I can't remember how I solved it. Any pointers?


[05:52] <Jordan_U> Odd, I used /quiet with Switch in #ubuntu, not /quiet_temp, and I didn't explicitly unqiet him (autobleh).
[05:54] <nhandler> Jordan_U: Strange. Do you have the latest autobleh?
[05:54] <nhandler> Jordan_U: And by any chance did you have debug enabled at the time?
[05:55] <rww> nhandler: Did you catch my note about /kick not working because of an extraneous space in #autobleh a couple of weeks back?
[05:55]  * rww hasn't had a chance to check if it's fixed in new version
[05:55] <nhandler> rww: No, I didn't. Can you PM or email me the details. The issue definitely hasn't been resolved, as I was the one to make the last few commits ;)
[05:56] <rww> nhandler: looks like it has been, actually ;P
[05:56] <rww> oh, wait, no. i'm misreading diff
[05:56] <rww> will do
[05:57] <Jordan_U> nhandler: No, just checked and I'm on revision 28 (current is 29). No, no debug.
[05:57] <nhandler> Thans.  But I will gladly look into the issue later
[05:57] <nhandler> Jordan_U: Strange. No clue why it would do that
[05:59] <Myrtti> why are you using kick anyway?
[06:00] <rww> I was being pedantic with Amaranth or something. I forget.
[06:00] <Myrtti> isn't remove the kosher way...
[06:00] <rww> yes
[06:00] <IdleOne> /rm rww go away
[06:01] <IdleOne> never works :(
[06:01] <rww> because you're not using irssi. and autobleh. and /ar
[06:01] <IdleOne> sudo /rm neither
[06:01] <rww> I'm a directory! \o/
[06:01] <IdleOne> I need to -r
[06:02] <rww> then I become ww
[06:02] <IdleOne> forget it, simpler to keep you around
[06:02] <Jordan_U> rww: rmdir (yes, I know you're empty inside).
[06:03] <rww> On the Internet, nobody knows you're a chocolate easter bunny. Except Jordan_U.
[06:03] <IdleOne> heh
[07:50] <jussi> Kick is useful if you are banforwarding :)
[08:01] <Myrtti> jussi: nice try but no bonus
[08:01] <jussi> who what?
[08:01] <Myrtti> there's one client that I know that by default autorejoins on kick
[08:01] <Myrtti> one.
[08:01] <rww> is it bitchx
[08:01] <Myrtti> and it's not supported anymore in ubuntu
[08:01] <rww> i bet it's bitchx
[08:01] <Myrtti> rww: yes.
[08:01] <rww> woohoo!
[08:02] <jussi> still, I know many users have it set ;)
[08:02] <rww> I swear, they deliberately made that client's default settings as horrible as possible.
[08:02] <Myrtti> jussi: and relying on it being set is somewhat silly
[08:02] <jussi> In other news, I bought a new (to me) car.
[08:02] <Flannel> rww: Including enabling root exploits!
[08:02] <rww> It's really just a massive troll on the IRC community.
[08:02] <jussi> Myrtti: Im not relying on it, I accepting theres a possibility of it
[08:02] <Flannel> Myrtti: It's not relying, it's potential.
[08:03] <Flannel> If you're going to banforward anyway, a kick is slightly better than a remove, because some clients rejoin on kick
[08:03] <Flannel> (no clients rejoin on remove, as far as Im aware, which is the reason remove exists)
[08:04] <rww> Data point: When I get the floodbots to kick 50-100 users out of #ubuntu-unregged, less than 5 autorejoin.
[08:05] <jussi> rww: so, 5-10% :)
[08:08] <rww> I encountered what I think was a BNC once that repeatedly automatically joined and parted -unregged because it wanted to get into #ubuntu and wasn't happy it didn't end up there. That was fun.
[08:12] <jussi> heh
[08:32] <Myrtti> !unrar
[08:35] <topyli> in other words, rruff has found an archive that unrar-free doesn't open
[08:38] <knome> or thinks !unrar-free would be the factoid?
[08:39] <knome> anyway, must fly ->
[09:18] <elky> bacta prowling around
[09:19] <Myrtti> with what nick this time?
[09:20] <jussi> Peoples, if you have interactions with bacta, or see him in our channels making an issue, we would love to have pastebins of the activity - please just drop the links here in -ops or PM an IRCC person.
[09:36] <Myrtti> why does insmod ring alarm bells in my mind?
[09:36] <Myrtti> ah.
[09:41] <Myrtti> nice chap.
[09:42] <Jordan_U> Myrtti: ?
[09:42] <Myrtti> Jordan_U: did a little search in the bantracker and atleast Tm_Tr and tsimpson have experience on his antics
[09:42] <Myrtti> Jordan_U: I'm just watching his instructions and some are teetering on the edge of being either bad or malicious
[09:43] <Tm_T> insmod? hmm, was he also a bit hot tempered in cases...
[09:43] <Myrtti> Tm_T: indeed
[09:44] <Myrtti> I seem to have a sort of spider sense cum elephants memory with these fellows
[09:44] <Tm_T> if I don't remember wrong, he don't like to hear if he's wrong
[09:45] <Myrtti> so now he's dealing instructions in pm
[09:46] <Myrtti> I'm not awake enough to tell him off for doing that
[09:46] <Jordan_U> Nor am I :(
[12:53] <maco> @mark #ubuntu lil & student, inappropriate sock puppets
[12:53] <maco> @btlogin
[12:54] <maco> @login
[12:54] <maco> @mark #ubuntu lil & student, inappropriate sock puppets
[13:44] <Pici> sock monkeys
[13:48]  * jussi socks Pici :P
[13:53]  * knome pokes jussi
[13:56]  * jussi eyes knome
[13:56]  * knome pokes jussi in the eye
[15:03]  * Myrtti looks at the discussion at -ot
[15:03]  * Pici looks too
[15:03] <IdleOne> it is getting borderline racist
[15:03] <IdleOne> and boring
[15:03] <Myrtti> it's already politics
[15:03] <IdleOne> more boring
[15:04] <tsimpson> maco: that mark is malformed :(
[15:06] <Pici> that works too
[16:24]  * Myrtti headdesks
[16:25] <Pici> Myrtti: What this time?
[16:26] <Myrtti> I'm just watching a trainwreck happen in #ubuntu
[16:49] <Myrtti> another trainwreck in progress in -ot
[16:51] <popey> isnt it always?
[16:51] <Myrtti> surprisingly, no
[16:51] <Myrtti> right, I've changed a couple of passwords today...
[16:52] <Myrtti> won't even attempt to do anything smart at freenode password
[17:44] <Pici> no, ubottu.com is a website.
[17:47] <popey> no, pici is a pedant
[17:49] <mneptok> you are what you is.
[17:57]  * popey makes a mental note to buy some licorice and vodka this christmas
[18:09] <mneptok> popey: i could have a care package sent from Helsinki :)
[18:10] <mneptok> Monty will probably object. until i tell him it's for you. at which point, like anyone else, he'll say, "I prefer popey slightly lubricated. Candy shipment approved."
[18:12] <popey> :)
[18:32] <tonyyarusso> Monty's in Helsinki?  Good to know.
[18:32] <mneptok> it's not exactly a secret he's from Finland
[18:32] <tonyyarusso> Not being a secret is not the same as tonyyarusso already knowing it :)
[22:43] <i0nic> Hi guys
[22:43] <i0nic> can I get access to ubuntu?
[23:11] <popey> @login
[23:11] <popey> @btlogin
[23:13] <popey> i0nic: looks like ikonia set your ban in #ubuntu but he's not around right now. you might want to come back tomorrow, when he might be back.
[23:13] <popey> where "tomorrow" means 'in about 12 hours or so'
[23:21]  * mneptok wonders if he's still on /ignore


[01:37] <haobug> hi hi, got problem again. http://pastebin.com/XxaqxmbJ after about 3 days of waiting...
[14:41] <cjwatson> haobug: You don't need to redo it all from scratch, at least, but there's some manual work to do to recover from a failure there without re-downloading - it should be possible to look at /usr/share/lxc/templates/lxc-ubuntu and search for "Installing updates" to find where it got to, but you'll have to trace the function call sequence up to there for yourself
[21:09] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/tmp/lp-livefs-built.png   progress!
[21:12] <cjwatson> five-ish to-do items remaining, but pretty close.
[21:12] <cjwatson> unfortunately will need another lp-buildd deployment.
[21:43] <cjwatson> wgrant: Perhaps we could try to squeeze a launchpad-buildd update in with RT#69868, since the risk of buildd upgrades seems to be more strongly correlated with how many of them we do rather than how much they contain?  I'd like to include https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad-buildd/abort-race/+merge/218222 if possible, as well as the fairly obvious stuff that's in trunk.
[21:43] <_mup_> Bug #69868: Contrast setting is bad <gxine (Ubuntu):Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/69868>
[21:45] <cjwatson> (I haven't yet done a QA pass on the whole lot.)
[21:46] <cjwatson> I've been meaning to do that abort-race stuff for months, but doko keeps running into it so I thought I'd better make an effort to sort it out ...
[21:48] <wgrant> cjwatson: Looking
[21:49] <wgrant> cjwatson: Is that screenshot of a full test run with a local buildd? Nice.
[21:54] <cjwatson> It is indeed.
[21:54] <cjwatson> Not that that took ages to set up or anything.
[21:58] <cjwatson> Remaining to-dos: some bits of view need to be disabled if the feature flag is off; latest builds table for +livefs; UI for requesting a build; a way to delete a LiveFS (much like for recipes)
[21:58] <wgrant> I should probably rewrite the docs, as they don't really work well when not running LP in a heavyweight VM.
[21:59] <cjwatson> I'm afraid I ignored the docs as I was fairly sure I knew which bits I needed
[21:59] <wgrant> Do we need UI for requesting a build?
[21:59] <wgrant> Deletion is probably easy, as the LiveFS can just take all the LiveFSBuilds and their files with it.
[22:00] <cjwatson> I expect to eventually get to the point where some builds don't require cdimage, at which point a UI would be useful
[22:00] <cjwatson> deletion - I was expecting to do what we do with recipes, i.e. leave the builds intact but disconnected
[22:02] <wgrant> Why?
[22:02] <wgrant> It's basically impossible to find a build if you don't know the livefs.
[22:02] <cjwatson> just seems odd to delete builds that happened
[22:02] <wgrant> We avoid deleting SPRBs because that would leave SPRs without a signature and with no way to trace the owner.
[22:03] <cjwatson> well, ok, I guess I can do either way
[22:04] <cjwatson> my local setup was basically sampledata, initseries trusty, run the initialize job, feed in the production chroot, install launchpad-buildd listening on a port not one of those already in sampledata, add that builder
[22:04] <wgrant> What value does a LiveFSBuild with no LiveFS provide? How would you use it, or even find it (except by looking through all the builds for an archive or builder)?
[22:05] <wgrant> Hm, you were able to get it working in a container?
[22:05] <cjwatson> wouldn't be any good for normal package builds, but it worked for this
[22:05] <cjwatson> I had to make the container allow arbitrary mounts, with some help from hallyn
[22:05] <wgrant> Ah, right.
[22:05] <cjwatson> almost exploded my system on the first attempt since it enabled qemu-x86_64 in my host :-)
[22:06] <wgrant> Heh
[22:06] <wgrant> I normally just run a KVM instance which lives on lxcbr0.
[22:06] <cjwatson> LiveFSBuilds> I was thinking builder history views and the like, but you're probably right.  I didn't know there was a specific reason for SPRBs.
[22:07] <cjwatson> The use of old LiveFSBuilds is their logs.
[22:07] <wgrant> Right, but if you want the logs you probably shouldn't be deleting the thing that lets you find them :)
[22:07] <cjwatson> Perhaps I should have a way to disable a LiveFS
[22:07] <cjwatson> Not deleted, but it wouldn't allow new builds any more
[22:08] <cjwatson> Basically to avoid stupid mistakes
[22:09] <cjwatson> Given that I'm not even sure we particularly need deletion
[22:10] <wgrant> We need to be able to delete builds individually, and also the LiveFS and its builds as a whole unless there's a good reason not to
[22:10] <cjwatson> What's the point of deleting individual builds?
[22:11] <cjwatson> I don't think any other build types are individually deleteable, are they?
[22:11] <wgrant> There doesn't need to be UI or API for it
[22:11] <wgrant> but I'm working on the other types as we speak.
[22:11] <cjwatson> Just the principle that all objects should be deleteable?
[22:12] <wgrant> Though those are just being neutered, rather than deleted, since they produce artifacts that are referenced elsewhere.
[22:12] <wgrant> Mostly for proper PPA deletion
[22:13] <cjwatson> A LiveFSBuild associated with a PPA *could* just be neutered, since it doesn't actually build something *in* the PPA as such, it just uses it as a source; but there's probably not much use for such a build
[22:13] <wgrant> Right
[22:14] <wgrant> We delete where we can, neuter where we can't.
[22:14] <wgrant> Keeping useless data around isn't something we should be doing.
[22:14] <cjwatson> But I thought the database was too small
[22:16] <cjwatson> I guess we do erase evidence of builds that happened in some other situations albeit in different ways, e.g. cancel/retry
[22:16] <cjwatson> Anyway, thanks.  Bed then bank holiday, I think
[22:17] <wgrant> Right. It's theoretically nice to have a full history of everything, but in practice it's somewhat onerous and not terribly useful.
[22:17] <wgrant> It's rare that I need to look way back in a builder's history.
[22:17] <wgrant> And for short-term stuff I mostly look at logs.