[12:29] <ogra_> the design of ubuntu touch suspends and kills apps that are in the background
[12:30] <ogra_> you will never consume more ram than what the currently running app uses
[12:30] <OrokuSaki> What if I wrote an app to use 2 GB of ram.. =)
[12:30] <OrokuSaki> "Not that I can write apps, but if I did.. =)
[12:30] <ogra_> then you are insane and shoould be locked away :P
[12:30] <OrokuSaki> =) yeah...
[12:30] <yahoo> ogra_, right but if i were to use 2Gb ram for some app then ?
[12:31] <OrokuSaki> lol
[12:31] <ogra_> yahoo, well, you cant
[12:31] <ogra_> and why would you
[12:31] <OrokuSaki> So we can file a bug! lol
[12:31] <t1mp> ogra_: I can think of some use cases :)
[12:31]  * ogra_ cant really ...
[12:31] <OrokuSaki> rofl... bad to laugh at your own jokes
[12:31] <ogra_> use disk caches :)
[12:31] <yahoo> well, if i am rrunning COD or some high-end game
[12:32] <OrokuSaki> What is a disk cache?
[12:32] <OrokuSaki> =)
[12:32] <t1mp> ogra_: I used to work on medical visualisation where I needed to have a whole MRI (3D volume with one or more (up to dozens) of values in each of the 1024^3 or more voxels)
[12:32] <ogra_> yahoo, how would you run a 2G game on an android phone that has 512M ?
[12:32] <t1mp> well.. maybe that is more stuff you want to run on a workstation than on a phone
[12:32] <t1mp> but it would be cool to do it on a phone :)
[12:32] <OrokuSaki> there aren't any games that need that much ram
[12:33] <yahoo> ogra_, i guess thats where swap helps
[12:33] <OrokuSaki> Can we install one of those ram doublers like I had on my 386?
[12:33] <OrokuSaki> lol
[12:33] <ogra_> t1mp, well, i guess you could cache away some stuff there or process it into bitmap images in the bg etc
[12:33] <ogra_> yahoo, android doesnt have swap
[12:33] <hello-there> Does 3G WORK on NEXUS 4 GSM PLEASE ?
[12:33] <yahoo> t1mp, yeah UT is both a phone &  a PC :P
[12:33] <ogra_> hello-there, no need to shout ... yes it does
[12:33] <ogra_> yahoo, nah, far from that
[12:34] <ogra_> yahoo, its a phone OS for now
[12:34] <t1mp> I wouldn't do analysis of such data on a phone right now. but maybe rendering the results.. still that'll pose a challenge for memory usage
[12:34] <ogra_> nothing more
[12:34] <hello-there> cheers!  tnx !!!!!!   <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
[12:34] <ogra_> :)
[12:34] <OrokuSaki> My device can run both the desktop and touch version of Ubuntu. =) muhahahaha
[12:34] <ogra_> i bet even the n4 could run the desktop version
[12:35] <OrokuSaki> One of those nexus's can
[12:35] <ogra_> you would need very tiny fingers to make any use of it though
[12:35] <OrokuSaki> Whichever has the adreno
[12:35] <yahoo> ogra, yeah but you can use swapper2, i've read on XDA
[12:35] <pmcgowan> ogra_, it does, with ufa
[12:35] <OrokuSaki> Or Lima
[12:35] <ogra_> pmcgowan, which is not released anywheer :)
[12:35] <pmcgowan> no sadly
[12:35] <ogra_> pmcgowan, i can also run the desktop and use vnc or some such
[12:36] <OrokuSaki> Hmm... wonder if that could be done inside of UT
[12:36] <OrokuSaki> I bet it could
[12:36] <ogra_> and i bet i could even make the desktop run natively under fbdev with sw rendering
[12:36] <Emery> can you install ubuntu straight onto the nexus 7 and have it running native #?
[12:36] <OrokuSaki> When we get a vnc app
[12:36] <ogra_> would be more like a slideshof and yoou need pliers to press buttons ...
[12:36] <yahoo> ogra, oh :(  just phone OS ?
[12:36] <ogra_> but technically surely doable
[12:37] <ogra_> yahoo, yes, we need a working foundation before doing any convergent stuff
[12:37] <OrokuSaki> We need a quake port. =)
[12:37] <OrokuSaki> Every OS has quake
[12:38] <yahoo> ogra, i thought UT was just Desktop environment. so its not !
[12:38] <ogra_> no
[12:38] <ogra_> its a new OS written completely from scratch
[12:38] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, https://github.com/SiPlus/WebQuake
[12:38] <OrokuSaki> Sweet!
[12:39] <OrokuSaki> Would be cool if canonical had an app to use Desktop inside of Touch.... I guess
[12:40] <Emery> Build 42b: NN interpolation is awful
[12:40] <yahoo> what is quake
[12:40] <Emery> lol
[12:40] <Emery> yahoo it's a classic game
[12:40] <OrokuSaki> really.. what is quake?
[12:40] <OrokuSaki> *feels old*
[12:40] <Emery> so classic, it's legendary
[12:40] <Emery> on the same level as doom
[12:40] <Emery> commander keen
[12:40] <OrokuSaki> Commander Keen!
[12:41] <Emery> OrokuSaki, I bought it in steam the other week
[12:41] <Emery> all of them
[12:41] <Emery> <3
[12:41] <OrokuSaki> First game I ever played on my pc... bought a pci card with a gameport just to play it...
[12:41] <Emery> great game
[12:41] <Emery> new games are so generic and boring
[12:41] <OrokuSaki> Kings Quest!
[12:41] <OrokuSaki> =)
[12:41] <OrokuSaki> That is what I remember playing.. I don't think I really enjoyed it
[12:41] <Emery> oh i loved it
[12:42] <Emery> on my IBM 400mhz with windows 98
[12:42] <OrokuSaki> Barely remember all that... I liked Stunts
[12:42] <Emery> Blood
[12:42] <OrokuSaki> the racecar game
[12:42] <Emery> i think it was called
[12:42] <OrokuSaki> Descent
[12:42] <yahoo> haha, i guess i'll give it a try
[12:42] <OrokuSaki> I loved that game
[12:42] <Emery> 100% gore
[12:42] <OrokuSaki> I got good at it too..
[12:42] <Emery> and death
[12:42] <Emery> lol
[12:43] <Emery> lemmings..
[12:43] <OrokuSaki> Star Wars... Dark Forces....
[12:43] <yahoo> OS in "Ubuntu EDGE preview video" was just proof-of-concept ? i heard that was ready :(
[12:44] <OrokuSaki> Never read where UT was.. "ready"..
[12:44] <ogra_> yahoo, ubuntu EDGE never came into existence
[12:44] <ogra_> which means the OS you saw there didnt either
[12:44] <OrokuSaki> OS's are going to have bugs... This one is brand new... It's good enough to use.. but are there still some bugs??? yes
[12:45] <OrokuSaki> What hardware was in that phone?? QCom =)
[12:45] <Jeffrey> I just reinstalled the factory image, and now want to restore my backup file.. which fails :( Any idea how to solve "adb: unable to open file backup.ab"?
[12:45] <OrokuSaki> I bet it was not qcom
[12:45] <Jeffrey> I'm running "adb restore backup.ab", the file exists, phone is connected and has permissions
[12:45] <OrokuSaki> TI seems to be more friendly
[12:46] <Jeffrey> backup is encrypted with password entered on phone
[12:46] <Chipaca> yahoo: a lot of the ubuntu edge preview video was demo'ing the desktop integration aspect, no?
[12:46] <ogra_> the converged OS has a certain set of minimal requirements to be nicely usable
[12:46] <ogra_> there are no phones that offer this
[12:46] <ogra_> the edge was only a case
[12:46] <ogra_> nothing inside
[12:46] <ogra_> with the emphasis onn *demoing*
[12:46] <OrokuSaki> Conceptual
[12:47] <Chipaca> yup -- but also, that it was the desktop, not the phone, in a lot of the shots
[12:47] <yahoo> Chipaca, yeah !
[12:47] <OrokuSaki> Yeah... which led people to believe gnome would work..  All I get is pcket lint
[12:49] <yahoo> ogra, motorola had some phones that did something similar, what was wrong there ?? optimization ?
[12:49] <OrokuSaki> Yahoo.. REALLY... wants that working =)
[12:49] <ogra_> yahoo, the HW was wrong :)
[12:49] <yahoo> once convergence is there, all we need is Airplay
[12:49] <OrokuSaki> sweet!
[12:50] <yahoo> HW ?
[12:50] <ogra_> yahoo, hardware
[12:50] <ogra_> you dont really want to run a full desktop with just 512M
[12:50] <ogra_> not a modern one at least
[12:50] <yahoo> did u mean home work :(
[12:51] <ogra_> and running a desktop *and* keeping the phone OS running aside is even more demanding
[12:51] <Chipaca> I was about to say, 512 is barely enough for a cut-back desktop (e.g. the ac100), but we need the phone stuff running too :)
[12:51] <ogra_> to do full convergence you want a 4GB phone with a proper SSD inside (not eMMC like most phones have)
[12:52] <Chipaca> *siighh*
[12:52] <ogra_> and a decent fast CPU
[12:53] <ogra_> without such hardware we wont even bother to start working on a converged setup ... so for now we built a fouondation that can later turn into something converged
[12:53] <yahoo_>  my internet
[12:54] <OrokuSaki> @Ogra... should my android-chroot have /sdcard?
[12:54] <OrokuSaki> I wasn't sure
[12:54] <ogra_> it wouldnt be used
[12:54] <wcolato> has anyone flashed this release on GS4?!
[12:54] <OrokuSaki> sweet, I commented out those lines in init
[12:54] <yahoo_> wcolato, i dont think thats a good idea
[12:55] <OrokuSaki> I still can't believe someone ported cm10 to the droid1.. 256MB of ram
[12:55] <OrokuSaki> Wonder if it runs UT. =)
[12:55] <yahoo_> haha
[12:56] <OrokuSaki> that phone allows one to change the ESN... Oh!
[12:56] <yahoo_> ok so 12 mins until UT will be on my phone :P
[12:57] <yahoo_> Good Bye Pana droid !
[12:58] <deiu> Have there been yet any people complaining about the keyboard not showing up in several applications?
[12:58] <yahoo_> i always degraded motorolla atrix  because i didnt know it ran ubuntu :D but even with U it sucks
[12:59] <ogra_> the hardware wasnt made for running a desktop
[13:00] <MacSlow> tedg, ping
[13:00] <tedg> MacSlow, Good morning Mr. Slow
[13:00] <tedg> :-)
[13:01] <yahoo_> ogra, right
[13:02] <yahoo_> dont worry i am not buying that phone now :P i'd rather buy G2 if UT runs on that
[13:03] <galaxys4> hello
[13:03] <Shiggs|i5-2500k>  Herro
[13:03] <Shiggs|i5-2500k> heh
[13:03] <galaxys4> need info for sgs4
[13:03] <deiu> Is there a guide somewhere on how to configure the 3G network?
[13:04] <yahoo_> ogra, output of "adb devices" is "01****** (some numbers)     device". is it fine ?
[13:04] <ogra_> should be
[13:04] <wcolato> well....unfortunately seems that sgs4 still not being considered
[13:04] <ogra_> deiu, it should just come up
[13:05] <yahoo_> ogra, also i disconnected my phone for a while. that should be fine too as its still downloading image .
[13:05] <galaxys4> there will be no development for sgs4?
[13:06] <deiu> ogra_, there is no indication as to its state (connected or not)
[13:06] <ogra_> galaxys4, ask the proters
[13:06] <yahoo_> galaxys4, check XDA
[13:06] <deiu> should there be an icon for 3G/H>
[13:06] <deiu> ?
[13:06] <ogra_> !devices| galaxys4
[13:06] <ogra_> deiu, yes, next to the bars
[13:06] <deiu> there's none (just the bars)
[13:06] <yahoo_> ogra, please confirm
[13:06] <yahoo_> "ogra, also i disconnected my phone for a while. that should be fine too as its still downloading image ."
[13:07] <ogra_> yahoo_, no idea, i have never unplugged while phablet-flash ran
[13:07] <ogra_> but i guess it should be fine
[13:07] <ogra_> else you can just start over it wont download something it already has
[13:07] <deiu> I found a bug in the SMS app, but I'm not sure where to submit it :S
[13:08] <yahoo_> ogra, ok it was taking too much time.
[13:08] <ogra_> deiu, against the messaging-app package
[13:09] <yahoo_> one more questions, is browser HTML5 ?
[13:09] <yahoo_> and is there a music player
[13:09] <pmcgowan> yahoo_, yes its webkit
[13:09] <pmcgowan> and yes there is a music player
[13:10] <ogra_> the browser can do html5 and there is a music player, yes
[13:10] <yahoo_> Cool ! i hope i dont have to restore android
[13:10] <deiu> Before submitting the bug, can anyone else confirm that you cannot delete an SMS when you are viewing it? (bring up the bottom menu -> select -> Delete)
[13:11] <deiu> It works when you are viewing the list however
[13:12] <ogra_> you should also be able to just swipe it away
[13:12] <ogra_> to the side
[13:12] <deiu> while in the view mode?
[13:13] <ogra_> well, while in the list
[13:13] <deiu> I'm referring to the case where you have clicked the conversation and you are viewing the message
[13:14] <Jeffrey> anyone has experience with the "unable to open file <filename.ab>" when trying to restore?
[13:14] <deiu> ah nevermind
[13:14] <deiu> you're supposed to select again one or more messages _within_ a conversation
[13:15] <yahoo_> ogra, i am in CWM-based recovery v<IP_ADDRESS>
[13:15] <deiu> you can't delete the whole thread from within the conversation view
[13:15] <yahoo_> E:Can't open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command
[13:15] <ogra_> yahoo_, try again then ... someone just filed a bug fr this
[13:15] <yahoo_> Checking for autodeploy.zip
[13:15] <yahoo_> autodeploy.zip not found
[13:15] <ogra_> bug 1241568
[13:16] <melvster> woot just bought my nexus 4!
[13:16] <ogra_> yahoo_, would be nice if you could confirm the bug
[13:16] <aquarius> yahoo_, are you flashing the phone for the first time?
[13:16] <ogra_> melvster, congrats !
[13:16] <yahoo_> yeah !
[13:16] <melvster> thx! :)
[13:16] <yahoo_> how should i confirm ? :S
[13:17] <aquarius> yahoo_, I just got the same thing when flashing for the first time, but it is fine, just wait; the terminal that's pushing things to the phone will then finish pushing things to the phone and say "restarting device" and then it'll reboot
[13:17] <deiu> Ok, moving on...anyone else unable to save an alarm in the Clock app? :)
[13:17] <ogra_> yahoo_, see at the top "does this bug affect you too"
[13:17] <melvster> i wonder how many people actually just install ubuntu without trying the google OS :D
[13:17] <ogra_> deiu, mentioned in the releasse notes ;)
[13:17] <aquarius> me! I am installing Ubuntu without trying the preinstalled Android :)
[13:17] <deiu> ogra_, oops :)
[13:18] <melvster> aquarius: awesome!  me too!
[13:18] <yahoo_> acquarius, ok so what should i do now, i have a screen (on phone) with 8 options
[13:18] <yahoo_> reboot ?
[13:18] <pmcgowan> no
[13:18] <pmcgowan> just let it go
[13:19] <pmcgowan> aquarius, hows it going
[13:19] <ogra_> yahoo_, did phablet-flash in the terminal return the prompt to you yet ? if not, just leave it do its thing
[13:19] <yahoo_> ogra, no, it still says wait
[13:20] <yahoo_> ogra, sorry it stopped
[13:20] <aquarius> pmcgowan, am still halfway through phablet-flash, so no opinions yet :) I have just added a comment to bug 1241568 suggesting that maybe a little more feedback in that process might help.
[13:20] <aquarius> ooo! phablet-flash finishes!
[13:21]  * aquarius plays with Ubuntu on a phone :)
[13:21] <Proaam> cheers!
[13:22] <maver> anyway to install ubuntu 13.10 on nexus7 without the ubuntu-touch interface?
[13:22] <angelito> hey
[13:23] <angelito> hello
[13:23] <aquarius> ha! playing music works.
[13:23] <yahoo_> ogra, aquarius, terminal shows this error "ERROR:phablet-flash:Command 'adb push /home/user1/Downloads/phablet-flash/imageupdates/pool/ubuntu-2b5345658b58e55207c4a4e7b6b3d8cd4f3d9a3187d2448fc9020c884234bac0.tar.xz /cache/recovery/' returned non-zero exit status 1"
[13:24] <ogra_> yahoo_, might be because you unplugged, try to start over by going into recovery and adding "-d mako" (assuming thats a nexus4) to the pahblet-flash command
[13:24] <aquarius> ah. I didn't get that. that might be an actual problem, which ogra_ will know how to fix :)
[13:25] <yahoo_> ogra, its gnexus
[13:25] <ogra_> yahoo_, then use -d maguro
[13:26] <Proaam> looks like ubuntu touch does not provide the accelerometer sensor data to the browser (or the browser does not provide it to pages via javascript)
[13:26] <deiu> Is nmcli the only way to properly configure the 3G connection?
[13:28] <dylan> So, I was thinking about putting touch on my nexus 4
[13:29] <dylan> But then I saw this "In rare circumstances, the Nexus4 may get into a state where it may not boot at all after the battery is drained (even into recovery). If this happens, the only way to restore it is to disassemble the back of the phone and unplug/plug the battery connector."
[13:29] <dylan> Any clue on when that will be fixed?
[13:29] <ogra_> dylan, thats a hardware issue that also happend with android
[13:29] <Proaam> dylan: if it's not your second/third/... phone, don't switch yet
[13:30] <dylan> Yeah, I was planning on waiting for that to get fixed
[13:30] <dylan> once they fix that though
[13:30] <dylan> cleared for launch!
[13:30] <ogra_> dylan, nobody can fix that
[13:30] <dylan> wait... why not?
[13:30] <ogra_> dylan, it is an issue with the hardware design
[13:30] <ttoine> hello, how do i use the phone to phone ? it still does not manage code pin ?
[13:30] <dylan> What causes it?
[13:30] <ogra_> dylan, https://www.google.com/search?q=red+led+of+death+nexus&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&oq=red+led+of+death+nexus&aqs=chrome.0.69i57j69i60j69i62l2.5745j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#channel=cs&q=red+light+of+death+nexus+4
[13:30] <systime> Getting ready to flash my nexus 10... are "--channel devel" and "--channel saucy"  essentially the same thing?
[13:31] <ogra_> ttoine, open the network indicator it should have an entry "unlock SIM"
[13:31] <deiu> Can someone with a working 3G connection please compare the output of /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems with my output: http://fixee.org/paste/t0uwrvk/ :)
[13:31] <ogra_> systime, atm they are, devel will point to T once it opened though ...
[13:32] <yahoo_> ogra, my phone is now completely new.
[13:32] <systime> ogra_: Cool, thanks!
[13:32] <maver> hi everyone! is there anyway to install ubuntu 13.10 on nexus7 without the ubuntu-touch interface?
[13:33] <Proaam> i think UT should prompt the user to unlock the SIM after booting up
[13:33] <ttoine> ogra_, thanks
[13:33] <Emery> maver, wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation
[13:33] <Emery> google is your friend
[13:33] <ogra_> Emery, thats dead ... wond work anymore i think
[13:33] <dylan> ogra_: xda says "It was a simple case of 100% discharged. To fix it use the power socket charger and not the usb charger from your laptop or desktop. The red light first goes down, then it will blink and then the white charging icon comes. Let it charge at least 10 minutes after that before you switch it on, otherwise it would shutdown again (but won't go to red light mode)."
[13:33] <Emery> ogra_, has a manual guide
[13:33] <ogra_> and it will definitely break if you upgrade to 13.10
[13:34] <Emery> also says it works on 13.10
[13:34] <dylan> That's it?  It's just a case of uber battery drain?
[13:34] <ogra_> dylan, rigth, LG didnt manage to build in a proper mechanism to avoid this in the hardware
[13:34] <Emery> ogra_, correction 13.04 works
[13:34] <ogra_> dylan, and it happens on android too
[13:34] <Emery> I'd install 12.04 though
[13:35] <dylan> Okay, that's not as bad as I thought
[13:35] <ogra_> Emery, there is no 12.04 for the nexus
[13:35] <dylan> I just need to use a proper charger, and leave it for a while.
[13:35] <dylan> That's fine
[13:35] <yahoo_> ogra, i re-ran command :
[13:36] <ttoine> first call, first sms from my Ubuntu-touch galaxy nexus !!!!! Congrats guy !!!
[13:36] <ogra_> ttoine, awesome !
[13:36] <yahoo_> no error this time
[13:36] <yahoo_> stucked on < waiting for device >
[13:36] <yahoo_> phone didnt reboot
[13:37] <ogra_> try if you can do "adb shell" from another terminal
[13:37] <yahoo_> it says error: device not found
[13:37] <ogra_> aha
[13:37] <yahoo_> i get "error: device not found" :: D
[13:37] <yahoo_> so
[13:37] <ogra_> what was the exact phablet-flash line you used ?
[13:38] <dylan> zis it possible to brick your phone with ubuntu touch?
[13:38] <ogra_> not really
[13:38] <yahoo_> phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup -d maguro
[13:39] <yahoo_> any thoughts
[13:39] <ogra_> yahoo_, ok, kill that command ... then try the following: adb kill-server && sudo adb start-server ... then check with adb shell if zou can log in to recovery
[13:39] <ogra_> if that works, exist out of adb and run the phablet-flash command again
[13:39] <ogra_> *exit
[13:39] <dobey> how does one make screen rotation work?
[13:39] <ogra_> dobey, it just works ?
[13:40] <ogra_> (in apps that use it)
[13:40] <ttoine> ogra_, is there a howto to sync contacts, install twitter, etc? and is there a way to make some ssh terminal from my desktop, now that I connected the phone to wifi ?
[13:40] <ogra_> ttoine, sshd is installed but off by default ... you can open the terminal and "sudo start ssh"
[13:40] <dobey> ogra_: how do i know what apps use it?
[13:41] <ogra_> dobey, turn your phone sideways
[13:41] <ogra_> :)
[13:41] <dobey> not helpful because it's not working for me
[13:41] <yahoo_> done, adb shell  gives no devices. phone wont start :/
[13:41] <ttoine> ogra_, where is the terminal ?
[13:41] <ogra_> dobey, works fine for me in i.e. the terminal app
[13:41] <ttoine> ogra_, the team really need to improve the doc !
[13:41] <ogra_> ttoine, in the applications ... expand the installed category
[13:42] <deiu> is there a default password for root? (can I do su -) on the phone?
[13:42] <dobey> ogra_: not working here :(
[13:42] <ogra_> dobey, which phone ?
[13:42] <kenvandine> deiu, use sudo not su -
[13:42] <ogra_> (mako or maguro)
[13:42] <dobey> ogra_: nexus 7. does it only work in mir and not with sf?
[13:42] <kenvandine> deiu, phablet user's passwd is phablet
[13:42] <deiu> I still need the pass for phablet user
[13:43] <ogra_> ah, well, n7 is pertty low prio atm
[13:43] <pmcgowan> dobey, the shell does not rotate, just certain apps like webbrowser
[13:43] <deiu> thanks
[13:43] <pmcgowan> maybe n7 sensors not working?
[13:43] <ogra_> deiu, phablet
[13:43] <ogra_> :)
[13:43] <kenvandine> deiu, np
[13:43] <ogra_> ah, ken was faster
[13:43] <kenvandine> i am pretty sure rotation used to work on the n7, but haven't  tried faster
[13:43] <kenvandine> ogra_, i won the race :-p
[13:43] <ogra_> :D
[13:44] <rbelem> hey ogra_ :-)
[13:44] <ogra_> not to hard against a chainsmoker like me :P
[13:44] <rbelem> ogra_, how are you doing?
[13:44] <ogra_> rbelem, !!!
[13:44] <kenvandine> ogra_, haha... :-D
[13:44] <ogra_> hwo is life
[13:44] <yahoo_> gra, again i ended up with same screen :( CWM recovery
[13:44] <ogra_> *how even
[13:44] <rbelem> ogra_, :-D
[13:44] <kenvandine> does anyone have examples of a project using cmake that uses qdoc as well?
[13:44] <ogra_> yahoo_, yes, thats fine, but ot should move on after a while
[13:44] <rbelem> ogra_, i'm back to help a little
[13:44] <kenvandine> mhall119, ^^
[13:44] <kenvandine> dpm, ^^
[13:45] <ogra_> rbelem, cool !
[13:45] <rbelem> ogra_, i bought a nexus 4 yesterday
[13:45] <ttoine> ogra_, what is the default password for sudo N?
[13:45] <ogra_> ttoine, phablet
[13:45] <rbelem> ogra_, did you hear about openwhatsapp?
[13:46] <yahoo_> but terminal command has ended. it gave same error
[13:46] <ogra_> rbelem, there was someone working on a whatsapp client, i think he mentioned it on the meailing list ... he dropped the ball though
[13:46] <ogra_> rbelem, his app was called whosthere ...
[13:47] <ttoine> ogra_, oups, I just tell my ip adress and the password in th open space... all my colleagues are ssh my phone...
[13:47] <ogra_> :)
[13:48] <rbelem> ogra_, http://openwhatsapp.org/develop/
[13:48] <deiu> any idea where the ofono config files are? *NetworkManager[1103]: <info> trying to read IMSI contexts from oFono files
[13:48] <rbelem> ogra_, this other one i used in nokia n9
[13:49] <ogra_> rbelem, ah, cool
[13:49] <pmcgowan> mhall119, you about?
[13:49] <dpm> kenvandine, not sure I know of any. Perhaps the Unity actions api or online accounts api?
[13:49] <yahoo_> ogra, so whats next
[13:49] <kenvandine> i'll check actions, online accounts is qmake
[13:49] <ogra_> yahoo_, you could adb shell into the device and it still doesnt work with phablet-flash ?
[13:49] <yahoo_> yeah i was able to login in adb shell
[13:50] <rbelem> ogra_, do you know if qt4 apps works on ubuntu touch?
[13:50] <ogra_> rbelem, i dont think so
[13:50] <ttoine> ogra_, if I want to install some stuff with apt-get, this is in read only. how do I remove read only
[13:50] <ogra_> should be all qt5
[13:50] <ogra_> i fthey do thats by accident and will stop working soon
[13:51] <rbelem> ogra_, the isse with openwhatsapp is that it is written in pyside
[13:51] <rbelem> :-/
[13:51] <ttoine> someone knows how to use apt-get on ubuntu-touch
[13:51] <ttoine> ?
[13:51] <ogra_> ttoine, touch /userdata/.writable_image ... but note this will break after a while
[13:51] <ogra_> ttoine, and you cant do upgrades anymore
[13:52] <ttoine> ogra_, you mean I will have to do it again ?
[13:52] <ogra_> i mean you will run out of space at some point and have to reinstall
[13:52] <ttoine> ogra_, not a matter. I would like to test tomcat 6 and a java app on the phone
[13:53] <ttoine> ogra_, " touch /userdata/.writable_image" is the command line
[13:53] <ogra_> yeah, just warning you :)
[13:53] <ttoine> ?
[13:53] <ogra_> yeah
[13:53] <ogra_> thne reboot
[13:53] <ttoine> ogra_, noticed ;-)
[13:53] <ogra_> and you can apt-get install stuff
[13:53] <ogra_> but i.e. apt-get dist-ugrade will break after some time ... and OTA upgrades wont work either anymore
[13:53] <spindley> ogra_: we have to make image writable to sync google contacts, yes?
[13:54] <ogra_> spindley, no
[13:54] <spindley> oh, evolutionsync or whatever is preinstalled now?
[13:54] <ogra_> you should never make the image wriable unless you actually work on the platform
[13:54] <ogra_> syncevolution, right
[13:54] <spindley> right
[13:54] <spindley> cool
[13:54] <spindley> thanks
[13:54] <ogra_> and you should use it as the phablet user
[13:54] <ogra_> whose homedir is writable
[13:54] <spindley> right
[13:54] <spindley> ok, thanks
[13:55] <yahoo_> ogra, in terminal "INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for install to finish on device. Please do not unplug device until phablet-flash finishes."
[13:55] <ogra_> ("sudo -u phablet -i" in case you are in adb)
[13:55] <yahoo_> and on phone, purple bg with robot
[13:55] <ogra_> yahoo_, great, just wait until after the next reboot
[13:56] <yahoo_> should i poke ? it hasnt finished
[13:56] <ogra_> it should come up in ubuntu touch eventually
[13:56] <yahoo_> ogra, ok
[13:56] <ogra_> it takes 15 min or so
[13:56] <ogra_> (the stage with the progress bar on screen)
[13:56] <yahoo_> cool
[13:56] <ogra_> and the first boot that will follow is very slow since it configures stuff in the background
[13:56] <yahoo_> ogra,  regarding bug report,  this was my 4th time executing command
[13:56] <ogra_> so be patient
[13:57] <yahoo_> Christian Dywan (kalikiana) was right i guess. its bcuz of first flash
[13:58] <kalikiana> first flash?
[13:59] <yahoo_> first time flashing ?
[14:00] <kalikiana> my device has seen plenty of flashes, so for me that's not the case
[14:00] <kalikiana> I only talked about "the first attempt"
[14:00] <kalikiana> as in, with that image in particular
[14:00] <yahoo_> ok so i guess it was aquarius who said that.
[14:01] <yahoo_> i cant think of any other factor, can you ? same image was loaded from download folder. same commands
[14:02] <yahoo_> maybe, ogra has to worry about that :D
[14:06] <yahoo_> aquarius,  did you get this message "ROM may flash stock recovery on boot. FIX ?"
[14:06] <ogra_> 14.04 will be the Trusty Tahr !!!
[14:06] <ogra_> we have a name
[14:06] <aquarius> yahoo_, er. I'm not sure. I don't remember getting it, and I've closed the terminal now, I'm afraid.
[14:07] <yahoo_> aquarius, its on phone
[14:07] <yahoo_> in CWM Recovery menu
[14:07] <yahoo_> but terminal command is still running
[14:07] <aquarius> yahoo_, I don't think I got that, but I'm not sure. I didn't have to touch the phone while phablet-flash was running; it just worked.
[14:08] <yahoo_> ogra, what do u think ?
[14:08] <ogra_> yahoo_, hmm ?
[14:09] <yahoo_> ogra, i am in "CWM Recovery" again but this time i get this message "ROM may flash stock recovery on boot. FIX ?"
[14:09] <yahoo_> with some options
[14:10] <ogra_> how did you get there ?
[14:10] <ogra_> didnt you say  you had the androidn with the rotating guts and the progress bar ?
[14:10] <yahoo_> After reboot. terminal still has same message "INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for install to finish on device. Please do not unplug device until phablet-flash finishes."
[14:10] <yahoo_> yeah i had that
[14:11] <ogra_> after that it should just do a normal reboot if you dont touch the phone or fiddle with it
[14:11] <ogra_> it definitely does for me
[14:11] <deiu> Anyone around with experience regarding nmcli / ofono? :)
[14:11] <yahoo_> infact it still has but progress bar and robot is static. no animation
[14:12] <pmcgowan> cyphermox, ^^ ofono help?
[14:13] <yahoo_> ogra, it stopped "ERROR:phablet-flash:Installation is taking too long or an error occured along the way."
[14:13] <kedivess> good morning
[14:14] <ttoine> new question: I can't tweet from the phone twitter app: the phone doesn't show the keyboard...
[14:14] <ttoine> any idea ?
[14:15] <angelito> hey
[14:15] <kedivess> i would ask if is it possible to install a language pack on ubuntu touch system-image . I tryed via adb shell using "sudo apt-get install language-pack-it" . It doesn't let me install.
[14:15] <mohdisham> Has anybody ported it to n7100 here
[14:15] <w-flo> mh. pull-lp-bin for generic initrd keeps on throwing 404 errors. is it expected for archive content to just disappear for a few minutes? *patiently waiting*
[14:16] <pmcgowan> kedivess, system is ro by default, but there are a number of languages installed
[14:16] <angelito> what image i need to install for samsung galaxy note 2(at&t)???
[14:16] <pmcgowan> ttoine, there are occasional issues showing the osk, it might clear on restart
[14:16] <deiu> cyphermox, ping
[14:16] <kedivess> thanks for the answer. but there insn't the italian installed.
[14:17] <pmcgowan> right
[14:17] <pmcgowan> you can enable rw and install it
[14:17] <pmcgowan> kedivess, but then updating is not gauranteed
[14:18] <angelito> ???
[14:18] <kalikiana> might be a click/apparmor team question if there's a plan for installing language packs
[14:18] <kedivess> how to enable rw ? i tryed  "chmod +w  -R  / " but doesn't work
[14:18] <kalikiana> kedivess: touch /userdata/.writable_image
[14:18] <kalikiana> then reboot
[14:19] <davmor2> deiu: what the issue, lets start there then if no one else can help cyphermox can
[14:19] <ogra_> kedivess, note that making it writable will make yoou lose the ability to upgrade
[14:19] <pmcgowan> !devices | angelito
[14:19] <deiu> davmor2, ok :)
[14:19] <deiu> I'm trying to configure a gsm connection
[14:20] <kedivess> and even if i update via terminal ?
[14:20] <deiu> `nmcli con list` shows a connection /208230001390324/context1 as gsm
[14:20] <ttoine> pmcgowan, thanks
[14:20] <angelito> o ok thank you!
[14:20] <deiu> however, I can tell from syslog that there is no configuration for that connection (empty fields)
[14:21] <deiu> creating a new gsm connection with the correct settings does not work either (<warn> Activation (/ril_0) failed for connection '/208230001390324/context2')
[14:21] <ogra_> kedivess, if you upgrade via terminal that would be via apt ... this will break after a while (running out of space)
[14:22] <deiu> There's another syslog line saying: reason 'modem-no-carrier'
[14:22] <davmor2> deiu: run /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-contexts and /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems and paste them in paste.ubuntu.com  I can guarantee they'll be needed
[14:22] <kedivess> so the better way is to wait until italian language will appear.....
[14:22] <deiu> I want to be able to edit the initial gsm config, but I can't find the corresponding file for it
[14:24] <deiu> list-contexts provides an empty configuration for /ril_0 :S
[14:25] <ogra_> kedivess, well, for testing you can surely just amke it writable and apt-get the langpack ... but it has drawbacks to do this
[14:25] <ogra_> *make
[14:25] <deiu> paste.ubuntu.com seems to be down
[14:25] <gbs> yahoo_, did you solved your problem?
[14:25] <deiu> never mind
[14:26] <kedivess> ok thanks <ogra>
[14:26] <davmor2> deiu: cyphermox, awe and rsalveti might be you're best bets
[14:26] <mohdisham> I be been installing custom ROMs through cwm does this work the same way
[14:26] <deiu> davmor2, thanks
[14:28] <irongiant> nhaines: You still around?
[14:29] <yahoo_> gbs, yeah simple reboot
[14:29] <yahoo_> it booted in UT. but its really slow
[14:29] <yahoo_> and i am not sure if something is missing :( its dark GUI
[14:29] <ogra_> yes, the gnex has some performance bugs
[14:30] <ogra_> dark gui ?
[14:30] <ogra_> you should end up in atour that shows you how to use the gestures
[14:30] <yahoo_> black. maybe its supposed to be that. but home screen is dull
[14:30] <ogra_> *a tour
[14:30] <ogra_> at least thats what is happeneing for me here
[14:31] <yahoo_> ogra, will swap help ?
[14:31] <ogra_> as soon as your device uses swap it will be unusable, so no
[14:31] <ogra_> (there is swap btw)
[14:31] <aquarius> well, Ubuntu for phones team: I have a phone. I have been able to read news on it, play a game on it, read Reddit, take a photo, post to g+, play music. That covers a good proportion of what I need already, and I've only been using it for half an hour. Nice work, all of you.
[14:32] <ttoine> trying to install tomcat6 and openjdk 6 headless on ubuntu touch... not so easy, dpkg dont go at the end...
[14:32] <ogra_> (but you dont want that to be used at all)
[14:33] <yahoo_> yeah great work ! but bcuz its laggy i cant use it :(
[14:33] <w-flo> ah. ubuntu trusty is the new code name. and I was wondering what "Unknown architecture armhf for ubuntu trusty" means
[14:34] <ogra_> aquarius, not only us ! it was you too !!!
[14:35] <aquarius> ogra_, I'm just a consumer, now. :) I shall be filing bugs, though -- and more importantly writing apps, which is what I want the phone for...
[14:36] <cyphermox> deiu: poke
[14:36] <zzarr_> Hello Hashcode, how is the HDMI driver comming along?
[14:36] <cyphermox> deiu: check if your provider is in the file at /usr/share/mobile-broadband-provider-info/providers.xml
[14:39] <deiu> cyphermox, nope, it isn't
[14:39] <deiu> can I add it there?
[14:39] <cyphermox> yep
[14:40] <cyphermox> can you give me the details actually, I'll make sure it gets added upstream
[14:40] <cyphermox> I need the country, name of the provider at the very least, and any other info you have about them
[14:41] <deiu> France, Virgin Mobile, APN=virgin-mobile.fr
[14:42] <deiu> that's basically it
[14:42] <deiu> let me test first before you push any changes
[14:43] <cyphermox> ah, that's special. I would have expected it to be there
[14:44] <deiu> is the xml file mounted ro?
[14:44] <deiu> I can't save
[14:45] <hello-there> It says..........................Please check that PPA name or format is correct ......cant add desktop tools   :(
[14:45] <mfisch> hello-there: what ppa are you trying to add?
[14:46] <hello-there> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools
[14:46] <deiu> cyphermox, ^
[14:46] <cyphermox> oh, right
[14:46] <asac> stgraber: hi
[14:47] <asac> stgraber: what do we need to do to prep the trusty thing on system miages?
[14:47] <cyphermox> deiu: you'll need to touch /userdata/.writable_image first, then reboot, then edit.. the system is read-only. Note that that change may complicate upgrades in the future though
[14:47] <asac> stgraber: also what about saucy... i assume we basically want to start producing daily saucy-updates images that then get tested and sit in saucy-proopsed until we decide to ship those to users?
[14:48] <asac> stgraber: do you need anything from us?
[14:48] <asac> stgraber: we would like to build a first, green image after the archive has the new toolchain, but before the imports start... so just checking what needs to be done
[14:48] <deiu> cyphermox, can I just create a new file in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/  instead?
[14:48] <iBelieve> I'm interested in starting a website/blog about Ubuntu Touch & apps for it. Am I allowed to use "Ubuntu Touch" in the name, such as "Ubuntu Touch News & Apps"?
[14:49] <deiu> and use the same structure from providers.xml
[14:49] <stgraber> asac: once the cdimage infrastructure works (so once we get our first desktop imaeges out), all that will need to happen is a few lines of config in system-image to get things imported
[14:49] <stgraber> we'll also need one line in the cdimage crontab to be added for saucy-updates but that's trivial too
[14:50] <asac> stgraber: so our system-image will do the right thing as long as we output stuff to the right folder on cdimage?
[14:50] <cyphermox> deiu: not really. that file is used just as a hint to ofono to try and do the right thing... what might work better is writing the right settings in /var/lib/ofono/<your imei>/gprs, but I don't know what the exact syntax is  -- you might be able to see from the file already there
[14:50] <stgraber> so nothing required on your side except patience (since it usually takes a while before we can get our first live images built after a new release opens)
[14:50] <cyphermox> deiu: if you decide to change files in /var/lib/ofono, you'll want to stop ofono first, and reboot when you're done
[14:50] <stgraber> asac: yep
[14:50] <deiu> cyphermox, thanks
[14:50] <deiu> I'll give it a shot
[14:50] <asac> stgraber: ok, maybe we can setup saucy-updates part before that?
[14:50] <asac> then everything else will just happen i believe
[14:50] <hello-there> ?
[14:51] <asac> stgraber: or are you around over weekend?
[14:51] <asac> (in case cjwatson feels like doinmg the toolchain over weekend_)
[14:51] <stgraber> asac: yeah, I'll do the config changes today and will trigger a saucy-updates build (at the moment there should only be one package difference I believe, procps)
[14:51] <deiu> is there a way to safely stop ofono?
[14:51] <deiu> I can't find it in init.d/
[14:52] <ogra_> deiu, uh, thats so last century .. ubuntu uses upstart
[14:52] <cyphermox> sudo stop ofono
[14:52] <deiu> nvm, I used service
[14:52] <ogra_> :)
[14:52] <stgraber> asac: I very much doubt we'll have livefs build before Monday at the very least. The toolchain is a requirement to open the archive, but we need quit a bit more than that before we can build live images.
[14:52] <deiu> service ofono stop worked
[14:52] <deiu> :)
[14:52] <hello-there> It says..........................Please check that PPA name or format is correct .....
[14:52] <deiu> ogra_, I'm old school :)
[14:52] <asac> stgraber: ok, but in general your idea was that we would have daily images flow into saucy-updates so we can track regressions on dashboard etc. and once in a while do a promotion to saucy to ship that to end users, right?
[14:52] <cjwatson> asac: I'm travelling over the weekend
[14:52] <cyphermox> deiu: are you sure the APN is supposed to be virgin-mobile.fr? seems to me here like it would be ofnew.fr
[14:52] <hello-there> Telling him to do ::::    sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools
[14:52] <asac> cjwatson: ah cool. then we are safe:)
[14:53] <cjwatson> asac: Trying to get as much done as possible before I leave at ~6pm
[14:53] <asac> cjwatson: just enjoy your weekend and lets do the toolchain and first image monday
[14:53] <cjwatson> asac: Well, there's more than me :)
[14:53] <deiu> cyphermox, yes, let me check again on their website
[14:53] <cyphermox> deiu: ok
[14:53] <cjwatson> asac: I'm pretty sure doko wants to keep moving
[14:53] <asac> cjwatson: yeah. lets stop talking then and meet monday :)
[14:53] <asac> cjwatson: will he turn the auto-syncher on though?
[14:53] <cjwatson> Dunno
[14:53] <cjwatson> I'll try to make sure we're all in sync before EOD
[14:53] <asac> ok i will talk to him
[14:53] <asac> ah cool
[14:53] <cjwatson> stgraber: I'm doing cdimage now
[14:53] <asac> cjwatson: just let me know if i need to talk more and to who
[14:53] <asac> thanks
[14:54] <asac> rock on!
[14:54] <stgraber> asac: so what will happen with saucy is that you'll see new images landing in saucy-proposed as usual and can test and promote those to the main saucy channel as you've always done
[14:54] <cyphermox> deiu: you may be right, and most source on the web (including possibly their webside I just checked) can be out of date... I see one here with the virgin-mobile.fr APN
[14:54] <melvster> 'Depending on the installed Android version, a popup will show up on the device with the host key that needs to be accepted for the device to communicate with the workstation' <----- I didnt get this ... should I continue anyway? :/
[14:54] <stgraber> asac: so identical process as pre-release, only difference is that the changes in those images will come from saucy-updates
[14:55] <ogra_> hello-there, on what ubuntu version are you doing that ?
[14:55] <deiu> melvster, no, go into the developer settings
[14:55] <deiu> then click the checkbox to allow USB dev connection
[14:55] <melvster> deiu: i already clicked build 7 times it worked
[14:55] <melvster> oh
[14:55] <deiu> cyphermox, rebooting now, let's see what happens
[14:56] <cyphermox> deiu: you made the file changes?
[14:56] <deiu> cyphermox, it works! :D
[14:56] <deiu> yes
   Its 13.10 Desktop version ..latest ..just downloaded and installed
[14:56] <asac> stgraber: right. just that for saucy we dont promote every day usually
[14:56] <asac> as its a "stable" channel variant
[14:57] <asac> not a developer channel ... where the goal is to go daily forward
[14:57] <asac> :)
[14:57] <deiu> cyphermox, I've change the gprs config in /var/lib/ofono
[14:57] <ogra_> hello-there, that doesnt need the PPA
[14:57] <deiu> s/change/changed
[14:57] <asac> stgraber: and stable is an alias, right?
[14:57] <hello-there> Ummm..it says <IP_ADDRESS> Generic ..
[14:57] <hello-there> Oh Ok !
[14:57] <ogra_> hello-there, phablet-tools is in the archive, just install it from universe
[14:58] <hello-there> damn sorry bro ..am just a new timer on ubuntu ....
[14:58] <hello-there> could you tell me how to get it from universe ??
[14:58] <melvster> deiu: i enabled USB debugging but i still dont have a popup
[14:58] <hello-there> should i just do sudo apt-get install phablet-tools android-tools-  ?
[14:58] <stgraber> asac: well, that's why the last channel rename removed any mention of daily ;)
[14:58] <cyphermox> deiu: awesome!
[14:59] <stgraber> asac: stable is indeed an alias to saucy
[14:59] <cyphermox> deiu: can you share the exact settings? I'll make sure that gets added
[14:59] <deiu> cyphermox, I only had to provide the APN name (virgin-mobile.fr)
[14:59] <cyphermox> alright!
[14:59] <deiu> thanks! :)
[14:59] <melvster> i wonder should i run adb kill-server
[14:59] <stgraber> asac: so new images will show up in saucy-proposed, we can test them there, when we feel there are enough interesting bugfixes, we copy to saucy and anyone using the saucy channel or one of its aliases will get the update
[15:00] <asac> stgraber: nice one
[15:00] <deiu> melvster, sure, and plug the USB cable back in
[15:00] <asac> stgraber: i think its well designed... so one question came up about build numbers etc.
[15:00] <asac> stgraber: i felt that build numbers are unique per channel[-proposed] and that that is more than enough
[15:01] <asac> however, what happens if we move the stable alias of saucy to trusty
[15:01] <deiu> brb
[15:01] <asac> stgraber: do we then just hope that the trusty versionm is higher? or is there something else we do?
[15:01] <hello-there> OK ...Is Universe the Local Repo fie in Ubuntu ?
[15:02] <asac> stgraber: i think its a question how the alias is realized etc. i could imagine our tools recognize an alias switch and then know what the right, latest version is
[15:02] <asac> but ... not sure
[15:02] <melvster> got the popup ... here we go!
[15:02] <ogra_> hello-there, just apt-get install
[15:03] <hello-there> Thanks! Cheers!
[15:03] <stgraber> asac: trusty will start at version 1
[15:03] <ogra_> asac, huh ?
[15:03] <stgraber> asac: and the client knows when an alias changes
[15:03] <ogra_> asac, the stable alis will only move by trusty release
[15:03] <stgraber> asac: so when changing devel from saucy to trusty, it'll do a full image update
[15:05] <stgraber> so someone on one of the devel-* channels will basically see an update from version > 100 to version 1, then things go back to normal and we get deltas from that point on
[15:06] <ogra_> stgraber, uh, thats pretty confusing
[15:06] <ogra_> stgraber, especially in support and bugs
[15:06] <ogra_> how would i know a user is on v1 of trusty instead of v1 of saucy ?
[15:07] <stgraber> ogra_: doesn't our about the system dialog tell you what release you're on?
[15:07] <melvster> how long does flashing normally take?
[15:07]  * ogra_ was hoping we would never use release names in a rolling image
[15:08] <ogra_> stgraber, it does :(
[15:08] <ogra_> so yeah, we will be able to differentiate
[15:08] <stgraber> ogra_: anyway, people should always tell us what channel and device they're using, as otherwise we have no way of knowing what they're using
[15:08] <ogra_> right
[15:08] <ogra_> apport should collect that btw
[15:09] <deiu> melvster, 10-15 mins
[15:09] <stgraber> as someone using one of the -customized channels will get completely different build numbers even if using the same release
[15:09] <stgraber> ogra_: yep, apport should definitely get the equivalent of system-image-cli -i when reporting a bug
[15:09] <asac> stgraber: yeah, i need to understand that a bit more :)
[15:09] <asac> the devel going back to 1 thing etc.\
[15:09] <asac> but not today
[15:09] <asac> that has at least a few weeks time :)
[15:09] <ogra_> asac, huh ?
[15:10] <ogra_> asac, it will be used as soon as we build the first test image
[15:10] <ogra_> i dont think that has weeks time
[15:10] <deiu> melvster, it is downloading in the background so it can take a while the first time you run it
[15:10] <asac> ogra_: not sure what you mean. i was talkinga bout the weird behavioru if you move the "stable" alias from saucy to trusty
[15:10] <asac> the rest sounds absolutely sane and simple here
[15:10] <ogra_> asac, it will reset the devel version
[15:10] <ogra_> to 1
[15:11] <asac> ogra_: the alias rename, yes
[15:11] <ogra_> stable wont change
[15:11] <asac> but not the promotion
[15:11] <asac> no?
[15:11] <ogra_> stable will only change once 14.04 is released
[15:11] <melvster> woo hoo it's aliiiiive!
[15:11] <ogra_> asac, the promotions carry over the version from proposed
[15:11] <asac> ogra_: i think you might be confused. the following line is about when we decide to move from saucy to trusty as "stable"
[15:11] <asac> 17:05 < stgraber> so someone on one of the devel-* channels will basically see an update from version > 100 to  version 1, then things go back to normal and we get deltas from that point onhttp://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_custom/
[15:12] <asac> 17:05 < stgraber> so someone on one of the devel-* channels will basically see an update from version > 100 to  version 1, then things go back to normal and we get deltas from that point on
[15:12] <ogra_> asac, if we promote -propsed build #3 you will have #3 in devel
[15:12] <asac> yes
[15:12] <asac> thats the current situation
[15:12] <ogra_> stable is something completely different
[15:12] <ogra_> stable is the release ...
[15:12] <asac> ogra_: you are out of context
[15:12] <asac> i am talkinga bout the stable release handling, yes
[15:12] <ogra_> stable will only change once 14.04 is released
[15:12] <asac> ogra_: not necessarily
[15:13] <asac> ogra_: we actually said we move to T after one month :)
[15:13] <asac> and provide frequent updates from T for our stable users instead of continuinig to maintain saucy-updates
[15:13] <ogra_> well, or for a few images we might build the next weeks but stable wont be affected by the numbering change until 14.04 releases
[15:13] <asac> we will see
[15:13] <asac> anyway
[15:13] <ogra_> what will change versioning now is devel
[15:13] <asac> i need to understand better what happens when we switch over
[15:13] <ogra_> stable wont
[15:14] <ogra_> only if there is a new stable channel
[15:14] <asac> stgraber: so when will the numbers go back to 1 exactly?
[15:14] <asac> stgraber: just if we change the alias, right?
[15:14] <ogra_> saucy builds will just count up from 100
[15:14] <ogra_> trusty builds will start at 1
[15:14] <ogra_> (no matter in which channels they live)
[15:15] <asac> stgraber: i havent seen stgraber saying that
[15:15] <asac> ogra_: ^^
[15:15] <ogra_> yes
[15:15] <stgraber> asac: the numbering for trusty-proposed will start at 1
[15:16] <asac> stgraber: oh so devel is not a real channel?
[15:16] <stgraber> devel is an alias to saucy, devel-proposed is an alias to saucy-proposed, ...
[15:16] <stgraber> once trusty exists, those aliases will change
[15:16] <ogra_> and the numbering for saucy[rpopsed will continue at 101
[15:16] <asac> stgraber: can we change that? i believe its better to have devel a real, continuosly trunk channel, so we can promote milestones in trusty and trusty-proposed
[15:16] <yahoo> ogra, is there a way to close apps ?
[15:17] <ogra_> yahoo, go to the thumbnail screen, hold down your finger until a close icon appears
[15:17] <ogra_> asac, per definition devel is the rolling thing
[15:17] <asac> right. but noone says that we need to treat those images as an alias
[15:17] <asac> :)
[15:17] <yahoo> cool ! and how do i use say, grooveshark dash plugins
[15:17] <ogra_> asac, if i started on saucy and used devel i will magically move on to trusty
[15:17] <asac> i know
[15:18] <asac> thats not the point really :)
[15:18] <ogra_> that only works if you have it as a linked (or aliased) thing
[15:18] <ogra_> devel points to saucy atm
[15:18] <ogra_> and will point to trusty then
[15:18] <asac> ogra_: right. devel could be its own thing though
[15:18] <asac> and then we can promote to trusty ever other week etc.
[15:18] <asac> from devel
[15:18] <stgraber> asac: if we were to do that (not that it's really possible at this point anyway), we'd have different build versions in devel and in trusty and in saucy which would make things rather more confusing I believe
[15:19] <yahoo> what do you mean ?
[15:19] <ogra_> asac, trusty and devel are the same thing by then
[15:19] <stgraber> the way I designed devel is for it to work identically as the devel alias at the archive level
[15:19] <ogra_> yeah
[15:19] <stgraber> same name and same behaviour so that we don't confuse people more than they need to
[15:19] <asac> stgraber: not sure if its more confusing. at least our devel build rev (which is our main trunk and moving baseline), would continuously move forward without resets
[15:20] <asac> anyway, just discussing... want to understand it better :)
[15:20] <ogra_> stgraber, how about setting 100 as the default for trusty ... shoudlnt be to hard  to put that in artificially
[15:21] <stgraber> ogra_: that's easy but then good luck with the confusion when 101 is pushed to saucy as an update image :)
[15:21] <asac> stgraber: so we plan to ship stable updates from T after the first month as you know
[15:21] <ogra_> yeah
[15:21] <asac> stgraber: for that having devel and trusty separate sounds reasonable
[15:21] <ogra_> stgraber, thats asacs thing to clearify then :P
[15:21] <ogra_> asac, again, devel and trusty are the same thing once trusty starts
[15:22] <asac> devel is a daily release channel
[15:22] <ogra_> devel is always an alias for the currrent devel release in the works
[15:22] <ogra_> saucy is a release channel
[15:22] <asac> so how do i ship stable images from T after a month
[15:22] <ogra_> as trusty will be after release
[15:22] <asac> current install folks are tracking stable channel
[15:22] <asac> so in 2 month we might want to ship a T image on stable
[15:22] <ogra_> stable will point to saucy
[15:23] <ogra_> devel will point to trusty
[15:23] <asac> right. hence thats wrong :)
[15:23] <asac> and we need to move to trusty and then suddely those folks tracking stable get the daily devel release
[15:23] <ogra_> and saucy will get the updates
[15:23] <ogra_> while trusty will get the new images
[15:23] <asac> so yeah... we need to make devel a special channel ... that is following daily-release model
[15:23] <asac> while all other channels follow a stable release model
[15:23] <ogra_> it already is
[15:23] <stgraber> stable-* will keep on pointing to saucy-* until we decide to have it point ot trusty, which will likely be in a month or so (and yeah, that's abusing the "stable" name but whatever)
[15:24] <stgraber> devel-* points to saucy-* until trusty builds exist, then it'll point to trusty-*
[15:24] <asac> stgraber: but then trusty folksk suddenly get daily releases... not sure if thats what we want
[15:24] <hello-there> Orga .....i could install phablet tools but it says .....Unable to locate package android tools ............
[15:24] <hello-there> 13.10
[15:24] <asac> i think it might be good, but in pratice we probably want to distinguish between daily and stable
[15:24] <ogra_> hello-there, tead the instructions, its not "android-tools" ... the package name is longer
[15:24] <stgraber> well, people who are currently on the stable-* channels have been getting almost daily updates up until yesterday
[15:25] <ogra_> asac, but thats what we do
[15:25] <asac> stgraber: well, it was the first release. now we move stable alias to a "real" stable channel after the release
[15:25] <asac> and folks that want to track devel should do so
[15:25] <ogra_> stable is the final release fo a released distro (and potential updates)
[15:25] <stgraber> so I don't think they'll be terribly surprised to get move to trusty once it's usable
[15:25] <ogra_> devel is always the devel release
[15:25] <stgraber> though this cycle is the only time we'll be doing that, once 14.04 release, I expect the stable alias to be a real stable channel and not change until the next release
[15:25] <hello-there> aaaah .....i thougoht it ended on -tools- ...
[15:25] <asac> stgraber: right, but suddenly we ship daily updates to our stable users
[15:26] <ogra_> asac, why woudl we
[15:26] <asac> i think thats too frequent for anything stable ... unless stable doesnt mean: end user ready
[15:26] <hello-there> ;-)  Tnx!
[15:26] <asac> ogra_: because we promote images from devel-proposed daily to devel
[15:26] <ogra_> asac, if stable users used --channel saucy they get what they asked for
[15:26] <asac> and hence stable is pointint to devel once we move it :)
[15:26] <ogra_> if users used --channel devel they get what they asked for by the definition
[15:26] <stgraber> asac: I'm fine keeping stable pointing to saucy until trusty releases, the problem we have there is that phablet-flash is using stable by default so we'll end up with a whole lot of people stuck on saucy without any touch update until trusty releases
[15:26] <ogra_> stable is never pointing to devel
[15:26] <ogra_> they are mutually exclusive
[15:28] <asac> stgraber: right. but i want to move folks to T, but not to devel. e.g. i want another channel that then can get our stable promotions before T is released
[15:28] <ogra_> thats stable
[15:28] <asac> anyway. maybe i can ignore that for now... just feels odd/wrongish
[15:28] <ogra_> or saucy (which are the same)
[15:29] <stgraber> ogra_: I think asac wants something using trusty but even more tested than the main trusty channel
[15:29] <ogra_> on devel you are completely rolling, on stable you are stuck with saucy (plus potential updates) until trusty releases
[15:29] <stgraber> anyway, we're not going to change that alias today so we can wait a bit to discuss that
[15:30] <ogra_> stgraber, asac, so a second devel channel
[15:30] <asac> stgraber: right, i assume we can later untangle aliases etc.  if we know better what we want? if so, lets fold this discussion for now and do what you planned to do
[15:30] <ogra_> ?
[15:30] <ogra_> dvel-devel ?
[15:30]  * ogra_ doesnt get the purpose of that
[15:30] <stgraber> ogra_: that's what it sounds like to me, yes, something like trusty-stable or the like that gets even less update than trusty itself
[15:30]  * asac didnt say that, but is happy to folkd that discussion until later
[15:31] <ogra_> stgraber, honestly to me it sounds like we all want the same, but asac just misunderstands the concept :)
[15:31] <stgraber> ogra_: with something like trusty-proposed => trusty => trusty-stable and stable being an alias of trusty-stable
[15:31] <ogra_> we're not good at explaining i fear
[15:31] <stgraber> anyway, I've got to run for a while, we won't change the stable alias today so we can discuss this later :)
[15:31] <ogra_> yeah
[15:32] <ogra_> we have 6 months to worry about stable :)
[15:34] <melvster> im blown away by how good ubuntu touch is ... congrats guys!!!!
[15:35] <ttoine> running a java application (tomcat6) on ubuntu-touch phone !!!
[15:36] <melvster> nice
[15:38] <ogra_> melvster, thanks !
[15:38] <ogra_> ttoine, congrats !
[15:38] <zzarr_> Hello is ubuntu touch using mir?
[15:39] <ogra_> zzarr_, yes
[15:39] <zzarr_> nice
[15:39] <ogra_> on both supported phones :)
[15:39] <zzarr_> :)
[15:40] <zzarr_> I wish the HDMI driver got finnished for my Motorola Droid 4
[15:40] <yahoo> ogra, so theres no workaround for this lag ?
[15:40] <zzarr_> Hashcode is working on it, but I think he rarly have time
[15:40] <yahoo> i really want to stick to UT
[15:40] <ogra_> yahoo, no, there will be fixes at some point
[15:41] <ogra_> but atm there is no workaround
[15:42] <yahoo> ogra, ok how do i use restore android ? i have backup.ab file
[15:42] <ajbrandt1> hello world
[15:42] <ogra_> yahoo, follow the install doc to restore the OS, then use whatever android uses to restore the backup
[15:52] <ze_> has anyone installed ubuntu touch in device with cpu from mediatek?
[15:52] <ogra_> !devices | ze
[15:52] <ogra_> ze_, sheck the wikipage above
[15:52] <ogra_> *check
[15:53] <ze_> ok tks
[15:54] <timppa> can someone tell me what the triangle with letter R means on the indicator bar?
[15:55]  * ogra_ has never seen that
[15:55] <timppa> it just appeared there, haven't seen it before
[15:55] <sergiusens> timppa, ogra_ roaming perhaps?
[15:55] <ogra_> yeah
[15:55] <sergiusens> tedg, might know
[15:55] <ogra_> that would have been my guess too
[15:55] <timppa> that might be yes
[15:55] <ogra_> are you ?
[15:55] <ogra_> physically i mean
[15:56] <timppa> yes, because this one operator in Finland is using another operators network so basically it's always roaming
[15:56] <ogra_> ah
[15:56] <ogra_> yeah, then it makes sense
[15:56] <timppa> yes
[15:57] <blead> greetings
[15:57] <hello-there> It says........You will also need to accept a host key on the device. ..................no such key shows up ...
[15:57] <ogra_> i guess you will be able to look that icon up in the ubuntu phone handbook that ships with the ubuntu phone :)
[15:57] <ogra_> one day ..
[15:57] <blead> rasing hand
[15:57] <timppa> :)
[15:57] <ttoine> ogra_, thanks ;-)
[15:57] <ogra_> blead, thats bad for your blood circulation :)
[15:57] <blead> um, nexus 7, is it normal for the screen to flash?
[15:58] <ttoine> we will make a how to next week
[15:58] <ogra_> n7 is rather broken and yeah, flachy
[15:58] <ogra_> *flashy
[15:58] <hello-there> It says........You will also need to accept a host key on the device. ..................no such key shows up ...  ANDROID 4.3 here ..Thanks!
[15:58] <blead> okay, sad face.
[15:58] <ogra_> tablets werent in the focus of 13.10
[15:58] <ogra_> you can switch back from Mir to surgfaceflinger on that device
[15:59] <ogra_> by removing /home/phablet/.display-mir
[15:59] <ogra_> (and rebooting)
[15:59] <blead> on y nexus 7 what is the best image?
[15:59] <ogra_> that will not give you all features but at least no flicker
[16:00] <blead> Mir, how do I find that in the Git
[16:00] <ogra_> blead, ask in #ubuntu-mir ... thats where the devs are
[16:00] <blead> I am running multi rom
[16:00] <hello-there> It says........You will also need to accept a host key on the device. ..................no such key shows up ...  ANDROID 4.3 here ..
[16:00] <ogra_> not sure there is a git tree ...
[16:00] <ogra_> most likely rather a bazaar one
[16:01] <yahoo> ogra, my build id is not listed here : https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
[16:01] <ogra_> yahoo, it should be linked from the touch install page
[16:01] <ogra_> iirc there is a direct link
[16:02] <yahoo> ogra, yeah thats the link
[16:02] <blead> thank you, so we headed for a reckoning I take it
[16:02] <yahoo> but i cant find my build id there
[16:04] <hello-there> It says........You will also need to accept a host key on the device. ..................no such key shows up ...  ANDROID 4.3 here ..
[16:04] <sergiusens> hello-there, if you have done that before, it's not likely you need to do that again
[16:04] <melvster> what should i do if the OS crashes?
[16:04] <melvster> wait or reboot?
[16:04] <yahoo> ogra, can i flash with a different image ?
[16:05] <sergiusens> melvster, most of the time it restarts
[16:05] <sergiusens> yahoo, what's your build id?
[16:05] <yahoo> JOP4OD
[16:05] <hello-there> But when I run phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup .....it Giver ...ERROR:device not found ...
[16:05] <melvster> sergiusens: thanks
[16:05] <yahoo> Android 4.2.1
[16:05] <sergiusens> yahoo, and device?
[16:05] <yahoo> Gnexus
[16:06] <hello-there> i reckokn its cuz host key is required for phone and workstation to communicate
[16:06] <sapan> hello-there , make sure your device is shown . adb devices
[16:06] <hello-there> and........................it not coming up ...  :-/
[16:06] <hello-there> Nope ...
[16:06] <hello-there> just checked..it aint listed ....
[16:07] <hello-there> so ...how to get it up there ? Hint Please !
[16:07] <yahoo> hello-there, did you enable usb debugging ?
[16:07] <sergiusens> hello-there, what version of adb do you have?
[16:08] <hello-there> Yes ..it says you are a developer...
[16:08] <hello-there> im sorry ow can i check adb version please /
[16:08] <yahoo> hello-there, not just that ! Tick checkbox enable usb debugging in developer options
[16:08] <hello-there> aaah!!
[16:08] <hello-there> leme try ..Thanks!!
[16:09] <sapan> sudo adb kill-server; sudo adb start-server
[16:09] <yahoo> once done, run this in terminal "adb devices". hopefully, you'll see a device
[16:10] <yahoo> ogra, so ?
[16:11] <sapan> just curious . What % of ubuntu touch os code is actually re used from desktop one ?
[16:12] <sergiusens> yahoo, I think you should be fine with 4.2.2 (JDQ39)
[16:12] <mhall119> kenvandine: hey, what did you need me for earlier?
[16:12] <mfisch> is it okay to autoland stuff today or will it cause horrible problems
[16:12] <mfisch> specifically ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks
[16:13] <kenvandine> mhall119, just looking for any examples of projects that use cmake and generate qdoc docs
[16:13] <yahoo> sapan, none !
[16:13] <kenvandine> unity-actions-api does, so i have one example :)
[16:13] <yahoo> sergiusens, are you sure ? i dnt want to brick my device :?
[16:14] <sapan> yahoo so what does it mean when it says ubuntu touch is based on ubuntu saucy 13.10
[16:15] <yahoo> sapan, idk. i was told that ubuntu touch was built from scratch. Convergence will be added later.
[16:15] <yahoo> sapan, btw, where did you read that ?
[16:16] <deiu> Hmm...is there a way to turn the phone into a mass storage device?
[16:16] <deiu> I'd rather not use adb push all the time
[16:16] <mhall119> kenvandine: ah, I don't know of any
[16:17] <mhall119> kenvandine: I think you just need a .qdocconf file though, not a .pro or anything
[16:17] <pmcgowan> sapan, yahoo there is much code in common between desktop and phone
[16:17] <sapan> i read it somewhere in official ubuntu site
[16:17] <pmcgowan> and over time more will be used in desktop
[16:17] <sapan> i doubt they built it from scratch . That will be hell lot of code .
[16:17] <w-flo> deiu, you should have mtp access to your device
[16:18] <deiu> w-flo, oh? thanks, I'll check
[16:18] <sapan> I think the focus is on MIR so that UI plays the key here not the core codes
[16:19] <w-flo> deiu, at least that's what they say. It's pretty flaky on my device (which is not officially supported), so I either have adb or mtp, but never both. But when it works, it pops up a windows on my desktop as soon as I plug my phone into usb
[16:19] <mfisch> fginther: ping
[16:19] <hello-there> Gentlemen,.....This IS my last step if someone could assist please ...
[16:19] <hello-there> when i run phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup
[16:20] <melvster> hello-there: took me 10 minutes
[16:20] <mfisch> hello-there: whats the question?
[16:21] <hello-there> EROR: phablet-flash:HTTPSConnectionPool(host'     ', port=443) :Max tries exceeded...............
[16:21] <hello-there> im able to ping and nslookup system-image.ubuntu.com
[16:21] <yahoo> run "adb shell"
[16:22] <hello-there> proxy entries are correct
[16:22] <hello-there> is it something else or just my connection issue ?
[16:22] <yahoo> ah ! its https connection
[16:23] <yahoo> your connection
[16:23] <yahoo> try proxy or VPN
[16:24] <hello-there> proxy entries for http https and socks in /rtc/apt/apt.conf exist
[16:24] <hello-there> proxy entries for http https and socks in /etc/apt/apt.conf exist
[16:24] <hello-there> Any hints ?
[16:25] <hello-there> Any hints ?
[16:25] <yahoo> no
[16:25] <hello-there> :)
[16:25] <hello-there> ok..Thanks!
[16:25] <yahoo> lol !
[16:26] <yahoo> what is apt.conf for ?
[16:26] <yahoo> is it for apt-get ?
[16:27] <mhall119> I would assume so, yes
[16:27] <w-flo> I guess so (and I doubt phablet-flash respects proxy settings from that file)
[16:27] <mfisch> hello-there: phablet-flash does not handle proxies well
[16:27] <yahoo> well then it wont work as phablet-tools uses wget
[16:27] <mfisch> it for sure cannot handle https proxy servers
[16:27] <mfisch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1225910
[16:28] <hello-there> Right!
[16:28] <mfisch> I did not try http proxy, but you'd need to set the http_proxy environment variable to try it, I bet it fails too
[16:28] <mfisch> hello-there: can you wait until (presumably) you get home from work?
[16:29] <hello-there> :)
[16:29] <hello-there> No ! ! ! !
[16:29] <hello-there> I Want it NOW ! ! !
[16:29] <hello-there> if it doesnt brick my phone ..ill get through proxy bugger ..
[16:30] <yahoo> simple use it without proxy
[16:30] <mfisch> tether your laptop to another phone
[16:30] <hello-there> ok ..
[16:30] <mfisch> go to a coffee shop
[16:31] <hello-there> :) Good Idea..
[16:31] <hello-there> Im Off !
[16:31] <yahoo> which phone are using flashing ?
[16:31] <hello-there> Nexus 4
[16:31] <yahoo> which phone are youu*** flashing ?
[16:31] <yahoo> ok
[16:31] <yahoo> ogra, are you there ?
[16:32] <yahoo> i am having hard time finding factory image of GNEX
[16:32] <yahoo> anyone ?
[16:34] <pmcgowan> yahoo, link on the install page
[16:34] <jamal> yahoo here u go :https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
[16:34] <pmcgowan> in the topic
[16:34] <yahoo> yeah its not there
[16:34] <yahoo> JOP4OD
[16:34] <Gyula> hello
[16:36] <Gyula> i am behind proxy, and i tried download this current directoy: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ but phablet-flash ubuntu-system --alternate-server ~/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current --no-backup is not working
[16:36] <yahoo> flashing any other image may brick my phone ?
[16:38] <bit__> Hello everyone
[16:40] <ogra_> yahoo, you cant brick a nexus ...
[16:40] <Gyula> is there anybody?
[16:40] <bit__> I installed ubuntu-touch on Nexus 7 WFI 2012 with the following string: phablet-flash ubuntu-system - channel devel - no-backup ... does not work well in most crashes (screen flickers and freezes everything). someone help me anymore?
[16:40] <ogra_> Gyula, 351 people except ing you
[16:40] <yahoo_> ogra, what do u mean ?
[16:40] <ogra_> yahoo_, you cant brick a nexus
 flashing any other image may brick my phone ?
[16:41] <Gyula> is there any way to predownload ubuntu phone image for my galaxy nexus?
[16:41] <Gyula> i am behind prxy and phablet-tools is not working with proxy
[16:41] <tobiasBora> Hello !
[16:41] <tobiasBora>  I have a little question : will it be possible in the future to run Ubuntu on a Samsung Galaxy Ace device, or is is not powerful enough ?7
[16:41] <yahoo_> ogra, then what will happen ? whats the difference between all of them
[16:41] <ogra_> yahoo_, just grab the lastes maguro image, that should work
[16:42] <ogra_> yahoo_, ask google ?
[16:42] <yahoo_> ogra, and will my backup work with them ?
[16:43] <Gyula> ogra: can you help me?
[16:43] <Gyula> http://askubuntu.com/questions/259616/phablet-flash-b-behind-http-proxy
[16:43] <yahoo_> tobiasBora, you need atleast 512 to run UT
[16:44] <ogra_> yahoo_, i have no idea, i'm not a big android user ...
[16:44] <ogra_> Gyula, nope, no idea, probably sergiusens has an idea
[16:45] <yahoo_> oh ok ! i know i've been asking a lot :D btw, what do u use ? some secret UT ?:P
[16:45] <yahoo_> or Ubuntu for Devs :P
[16:45] <ogra_> well, i have an android phone i use just not that deeply that i know much beyond the few functions of it that i need
[16:46] <bit__> I installed ubuntu-touch on Nexus 7 WFI 2012 with the following string: phablet-flash ubuntu-system - channel devel - no-backup ... does not work well in most crashes
[16:48] <ogra_> 13.10 did pretty much only focus on phones
[16:49] <tobiasBora> yahoo_: Ok thank you. So it won't be enough...
[16:50] <jamal> ogra_: is there any button to enable or disable auto brightness?
[16:50] <ogra_> jamal, nope, thats 14.04 stuff
[16:51] <bit__> thank you anyway
[16:51] <ogra_> (13.04 == have brightness control at all  .... 14.04 == have all the fancy luxury features )
[16:51] <ogra_> :)
[16:51] <bit__> see later
[16:51] <ReeSilva_SPFC> Hey guys
[16:52] <ReeSilva_SPFC> Some of u have tried to port Ubuntu Touch to Motorola Razr I (that one with Intel inside)?
[16:52] <jamal> ogra, when i adjust the the brightness to full and lock the phone and unlock back the brightness become lower, is it a bug?
[16:54] <jamal> ogra, but it seems the light sensor working fine!
[16:54] <ogra_> jamal, thats most likely a bug, but then  we dont have any ways to store settings for brightness yet so it will be fixed anyway once that feature lands
[16:56] <jamal> orgra_, thanks a lot
[16:56] <sergiusens> Gyula, ogra_ that seems like the old cdimage stuff where we used rsync
[16:58] <Gyula> sergiusens, and what is the new one?
[16:58] <sergiusens> Gyula, as in the wiki; I think the requests module picks up proxies; can you try that?
[16:59] <sergiusens> ReeSilva_SPFC, do we have the source code for that? Might be interesting to start the x86 port of this :-)
[17:01] <bit__> http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/ASUS_Nexus_7/ME370T please the string???
[17:03] <Gyula> later, now i have to go :( but thanks
[17:06] <NicKBUIG> Hi there, is there a working version of Ubuntu Touch for grouper?
[17:07] <NicKBUIG> ubuntu official release only maguro and mako :(
[17:07] <NicKBUIG> *released
[17:16] <Paul_mac1> hi. following instructions. adb does not work after flashing with fastboot and rebooting into recovery. it just does not see a device
[17:17] <Paul_mac1> is there another way to put that zip file into /sdcard/autodeploy.zip at this moment?
[17:18] <Paul_mac1> oh. seems a windows issue
[17:18] <Paul_mac1> looks like it works under ubuntu
[17:18] <ReeSilva_SPFC> This is what I'm questioning, @sergiusens. If we have the source code, I want to try port
[17:18] <timppa> btw, is there a way to add ringtones to ro image without braking anything?
[17:22] <espacial> hello!
[17:27] <mfisch> fginther: ping
[17:28] <espacial> hello!
[17:28] <espacial> anyone tried ubuntu phone yet?
[17:29] <mfisch> yes, for about 6 months ;)
[17:29] <espacial> but it really only for nexus 4?
[17:30] <mfisch> no, it will run on some other platforms, the n7 will work as well (and others)
[17:30] <ogra_> espacial, porting to other devices is done by the community
[17:30] <ogra_> they are not as fast
[17:30] <espacial> right
[17:31] <ogra_> give them some time to catch up :)
[17:31] <ogra_> i guess by 14.04 the world will look compeletly different
[17:32] <espacial> yea, I know, I only ask because I remember the first mobile with ubuntu, it was an atrix from motorola
[17:32] <espacial> so I tought, i have an atrix 2, i could have with out any trouble ubuntu
[17:33] <espacial> but, on ubuntu i just read about it is for nexus 4, so probably there is no firmware to my phone
[17:33] <ogra_> no, the new ubuntu for phones is completely designed from scratch, its a totally different beast
[17:34] <espacial> no more .img and vnc viewer, thats is great!
[17:38] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, ping
[17:40] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: pong
[17:41] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, quick question ... there is no "front end" (non private) to  libnityLauncher-qml.so right ?
[17:42] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: what do you mean with frontend?
[17:42] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: well, the launcher in unity8 uses this
[17:43] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, yeah but you need to pull in a private package and tweak QML2_IMPORT_PATH in order to pull in the so right ?
[17:44] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, since it is not installed in a default searhc location etc. for clients to use
[17:44] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: right. no, this is not intended to be used by anything else
[17:45] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, mmh ... any plans on something around that ?
[17:45] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: no. why would you need that?
[17:45] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, to access the count/progress features of the launcher
[17:45] <alex-abreu> items
[17:45] <alex-abreu> thru the model
[17:46] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: ah, no. that wouldn't work anyways. the api to control those properties is not in place yet
[17:47] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: but I think that's one if the first things happening when we're opening development for trusty
[17:47] <mzanetti> s/if/of/
[17:48] <hayato_> hi someone can help me?
[17:48] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, nothing dbus exported ?
[17:48] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: no, not yet
[17:49] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, & the launcher model not accessible from "outside" ...
[17:49] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: no. right now you can't change that
[17:49] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, mmh ... ok
[17:49] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: what's your use case? so I can prioritize it if needed
[17:50] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, for webapps ... mimic what's exposed thru libunity on desktop
[17:50] <yahoo_> .
[17:51] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, p1 for us
[17:51] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: well, the guy who should have implmented that was on sick leave for a while :/ But before he said that we couldn't use what libunity currently offers. I don't know the reason tho
[17:51] <hayato_> i'm tryng to install touch on my nexus 4 but the installation stop and the terminal say that the device is not found
[17:51] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: will ask when I catch him next.
[17:51] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, who was it?
[17:52] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: Wellark
[17:52] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, ah yeah, I had tried to reach him for sometime, ok was in a sick leave, I talked to him last summer about launcher bits, and had no news since then
[17:52] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: anyways, even if the API would be in place, right now all the apps are stopped when minimized, so they couldn't update anything anyways
[17:53] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, will you be talking about this in oakland? or should I kick off a discussion by email since it is a priority for us
[17:53] <mzanetti> huh? oakland? Did I miss something?
[17:53] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, yeah, I know, but anyway ...
[17:53] <sergiusens> mzanetti, there's a manager sprint in oakland + a few tech leads; so Saviq might be there
[17:54] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, ah no, there is a sprint in oakland in a few weeks, I'll be there, thought you would too
[17:54] <hayato_> the device don't go in recovery mode
[17:55] <yahoo_> hayato, what happens when you press power button ?
[17:55] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: ok. no, I won't be there I think. But Saviq most likely is if you need someone to talk to. He should know all the stuff. You can still trigger this discussion by mail if you want
[17:55] <hayato_> yahoo_ : black screen
[17:55] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, ok I'll do it ...
[17:55] <yahoo_> no "Google" ?
[17:56] <yahoo_> are you sure your phone didnt disconnect ?
[17:57] <hayato_> yahoo_: no only black screen. yes the phone is connect if i command lsusb the terminal show me it but if i command adb devices don't appear
[17:57] <Felipe__> hello, i have a question, ubuntu-touxh is a FOSS proyect?
[17:58] <yahoo_> adb devices will only work if your phone is turned on
[17:59] <hayato_> yahoo_ : so what can i do?
[17:59] <codelinx> Has anyone tested this on other devices, i.e. rooted s3, s4, Note 3, LG G2 (all verizon)
[18:00] <yahoo_> i am not sure ! i hope you havent brick your phone
[18:01] <codelinx> This install works from android and is installed alongside the Android OS, is this correct? ... PS no i havent attempted it yet
[18:02] <yahoo_> codelinx, no ! you have to erase android to install UT
[18:02] <hayato_> the bootloader mode it go but if i try to go to recovery nothing happens
[18:03] <yahoo_> try this : power button + volume up + volume down
[18:03] <hayato_> yahoo_: go in download mode
[18:04] <yahoo_> no, recovery mode
[18:04] <yahoo_> press volume down key
[18:04] <yahoo_> then power button
[18:04] <hayato_> yahoo_: on the display there is an icon that say download mode
[18:05] <yahoo_> which phone are u using ?
[18:05] <hayato_> nexsus 4
[18:05] <hayato_> nexus*
[18:06] <yahoo_> volume up/down is used to change option and power key is "confirm". when you press "power button + volume up + volume down" you should see "START". can you ?
[18:07] <hayato_> yes
[18:07] <yahoo_> ok press volume down
[18:07] <yahoo_> what can u see  now ?
[18:08] <hayato_> yahoo_: restart bootloader?
[18:08] <yahoo_> no press again
[18:08] <yahoo_> now can you see recovery ?
[18:09] <hayato_> black sceen appear
[18:09] <ubuntuonN5> guys, does this version work with desktop mode?
[18:10] <yahoo_> no robot ?
[18:10] <beuno> ubuntuonN5, not super well, no
[18:10] <codelinx> okay, and the adb backup produces a flashable image from the Ubuntu or can it be flahsed some other way? Does the phone keep the custom recoevery i.e. clockwork mod or TWRP?
[18:10] <hayato_> no only black screen
[18:10] <beuno> ubuntuonN5, this next cycle we'll be focusing on convergence
[18:11] <hayato_> yahoo_: the terminal says device not found if i try to give command "sudo phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel --no-backup"
[18:11] <hayato_> yahoo_: and then say "ERROR:phablet-flash:Command 'adb shell getprop ro.cm.device ' returned non-zero exit status 255"
[18:11] <yahoo_> it wont work unless you are in android
[18:12] <yahoo_> or UT
[18:12] <alex-abreu> hayato_, does your device have enough battery? have you tried fastboot flashing   ?
[18:12] <hayato_> yahoo:i don't undstend
[18:13] <hayato_> alex: yes but the answer by the terminal is the same device is not connected
[18:13] <harris> hey
[18:13] <hayato_> alex: sorry say"device not found"
[18:13] <harris> why would ubuntu release ubuntu touch if there are still things that dont work
[18:14] <ubuntuonN5> when will a update be released so we can use desktop mode?
[18:14] <alex-abreu> hayato_, when you are in bootloader mode, fastboot does not see the device?
[18:14] <beuno> harris, because, iterations?
[18:14] <yahoo_> hayato, idk why you cant enter recovery
[18:15] <harris> when do you think it will be stable enough on nexus 7 to replace android
[18:16] <beuno> harris, this release was focused on phones
[18:16] <hayato_> alex ok i see the device
[18:16] <harris> not the nexus 7?
[18:16] <beuno> harris, next release will focus on supporting tablets and the desktop. So probably for 14.04
[18:16] <alex-abreu> hayato_, then you can manually flesh from there and recover from a bricked phone
[18:16] <beuno> harris, no, this release wasn't focused on nexus 7
[18:16] <hayato_> yahoo_: i don't know why i can't enter to recovery
[18:16] <harris> i have to wait 6 months
[18:17] <hayato_> alex: how can i do
[18:17] <beuno> or follow the development cycle
[18:17] <hayato_> ?
[18:17] <alex-abreu> hayato_, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2277112
[18:17] <alex-abreu> hayato_, if you can see your device in fastboot thene there is hope, and make sure that you have enough battery ...
[18:18] <hayato_> alex thanks i try this guide
[18:19] <harris> will they still fix some issues or not until 14.04
[18:20] <beuno> harris, yes, there will be incremental work from now until 14.04
[18:21] <Limsted> oy! can i use the ubuntu phone on a HTC Desire HD?
[18:21] <harris> but they wont release the fixes until 14.04
[18:23] <tbanish> think its safe to install ubuntu touch on my nexus 7? will it be very buggy still?
[18:24] <harris> tbanish, i have nexus 7
[18:24] <Octopus_> where to download old skins for opera 12
[18:24] <harris> thats what i wanna know
[18:25] <beuno> tbanish, it's not yet super stable in nexus 7
[18:25] <beuno> the focus for 13.10 has been phones
[18:25] <beuno> so galaxy nexus and nexus 4
[18:25] <beuno> the tablet and desktop story is what will be the focus of 14.04
[18:26] <tbanish> ahh ok, thanks beuno!
[18:30] <yahoo_> dnt install on Galaxy nexus
[18:30] <yahoo_> its super laggy. not worth it
[18:30] <slangasek> ogra_: so, systemd accepted into saucy-updates; can we get a new image built for the saucy stable channel?
[18:30] <slangasek> yahoo_: yep, that will be fixed in the next respin
[18:31] <slangasek> or at least, the CPU usage bug triggered by the crazy android video driver will be fixed
[18:31] <slangasek> no promises that there won't still be lag for other reasons
[18:32] <yahoo_> when will net respin  release ?
[18:33] <espacial> question: I can flash my phone (atrix2) to try the installatino doing the backup of android, and if that does not works on this phone just restore? as easy as it sounds?
[18:33] <slangasek> yahoo_: I'm not sure; it may take a couple of days for us to validate the new image
[18:33] <godemperor_> hi, im newbie on ubuntu ¿where can i found ubuntu-touch for the galaxy GT-I9000B?
[18:34] <yahoo_> espacial, i doubt it
[18:34] <yahoo_> slangasek, cool !
[18:34] <yahoo_> so maybe monday ?
[18:34] <yahoo_> to release ?
[18:34] <espacial> yahoo_: what you recommend me to do, just wait fot 14.04? or tried to change phone? :P
[18:35] <yahoo_> well, i dnt really know how smooth is it as its laggy on my phone.
[18:36] <ogra_> slangasek, i'll forward that to asac, not sure if we want to wait for more SRUs
[18:36] <yahoo_> if video driver fix releases soon, its worth trying
[18:36] <espacial> yahoo_: you have nexus 4?
[18:36] <yahoo_> i would use UT permanantly, if driver is fixed.
[18:36] <yahoo_> so galaxy nexus
[18:37] <slangasek> ogra_: why would we wait
[18:37] <yahoo_> BTW, Music Player is amazing
[18:37] <ogra_> dunno, i dont kneo what exactly the plans are
[18:37] <ogra_> *know
[18:37] <slangasek> ogra_: we were supposed to be able to spin multiple image updates a day; I don't think we want to have to wait :)
[18:37] <ogra_> (i know what the plans for T are, just not for S)
[18:38] <yahoo_> ogra, when i push power button while phone is turned off, it shows charging icon :/
[18:38] <slangasek> ogra_: we could at least spin off an image, even if we don't put it in the pipe for validation and promotion yet
[18:38] <slangasek> in fact, kicking it off now
[18:38] <ogra_> yahoo_, only if plugged in, i think android does the sam e
[18:39] <ogra_> slangasek, ok
[18:39] <yahoo_> ogra, no its not plugged in :/
[18:39] <ogra_> thats weird, never seen it doing that when not plugged in
[18:39]  * ogra_ would remove the battery to hard reset it
[18:40] <yahoo_> yeah i have to remove battery otherwise it wont start
[18:40] <yahoo_> BTW, it turned off itself, maybe bcuz of low battery.
[18:41] <ogra_> ah, yeah, that might get you into a weird state
[18:42] <nick__> I want to install Ubuntu touch on HTC Desire HD. Is this possible?
[18:43] <ogra_> nick__, there might be a port, note though that the ports are all a little behind (ubuntu for phones moved very fast the last months)
[18:43] <ogra_> !devices| nick__
[18:43] <yahoo_> ogra, is there screencapture in UT ?
[18:44] <ogra_> yahoo_, not on the gnex ... sadly
[18:44] <yahoo_> ok
[18:45] <yahoo_> ok so in a couple days, driver fix will be available ? will it be available via OTA ?
[18:45] <ogra_> yes
[18:45] <slangasek> it will, yes
[18:47] <yahoo_> ogra, slangasek, how smooth will it be then ? like android ? or iOS ?
[18:47]  * ogra_ doubts that ... there are still other bugs with Mir and the driver
[18:47] <ogra_> but it will surely be better
[18:48] <slangasek> I don't know about bugs with Mir, but the driver sure isn't the happiest :)
[18:48] <vila> evening guys
[18:48] <vila> does 'FAILED (remote: (InvalidState)) when running 'fastboot flash bootloader ...' rings a bell ?
[18:48] <ogra_> slangasek, well, seems there is an ability to turn off the uevent spam at the source
[18:48] <kenvandine> i'm amazed how much bettery  my battery life is today than it was a couple days ago... i guess there has been some improvements :)
[18:49] <ogra_> which i suspect will give us actually some performance gain
[18:49] <ogra_> vila, sounds like your device isnt properly unlocked ?
[18:49] <slangasek> ogra_: no, the userspace drivers rely on that uevent spam.
[18:50] <slangasek> it's a ridiculous architecture
[18:50] <ogra_> slangasek, they dont use it under SF
[18:50] <kenvandine> unplugged for 6 hours, reasonably heavy usage and still 87%
[18:50] <slangasek> yes, they do
[18:50] <ogra_> slangasek, there is a switch the some area that Mir doesnt use ... if that  switch is flicked it only spams while there is actual action going on
[18:50] <vila> ogra_: nope, it has been unlocked.... months ago and I 'fastboot oem unlock' says already unlocked
[18:50] <vila> s/I//
[18:50] <ogra_> s/the some/in some/
[18:51] <slangasek> ogra_: which means there will still be uevent spam at precisely the time when you care about the UI being smooth ;)
[18:51] <ogra_> heh, indeed, but the bg noise will be gone
[18:52] <ogra_> which means the GPU should be less stressed
[18:52] <ogra_> (since the driver reacts to the events only apparently)
[18:53] <infinity> Image building should work now, if someone wants to try one.
[18:53] <infinity> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/20131018.1/ <-- core built everywhere, at least.
[18:53] <ogra_> i assume no special options should be needed ?
[18:53] <slangasek> infinity: well, I'm currently building for DIST=saucy
[18:53] <infinity> ogra_: Nope, should default to trusty.
[18:53] <slangasek> so the buildds might be a little busy
[18:53] <infinity> Oh, well, people can test when you're done testing. :P
[18:53] <slangasek> :-)
[18:54] <ogra_> i'll try one in 30min, then the saucy one should be done
[18:54] <infinity> I'm just relaying the "infrastructure should be ready" message.  What people do with it, I care little.
[18:54] <ogra_> or in 1h to be safe
[18:54] <infinity> I have Matthew, Will, and Thom waiting for me with pints in hand.  Need to tidy up a few more things and call it a week.
[18:54] <ogra_> stgraber, is a trusty build safe already ? will system-image pick it up for the right channel ?
[18:54] <ogra_> infinity, enjoy !
[18:55]  * ogra_ lifts his beer bottle
[18:55] <AlgoRhymes> Is there any way to run android apps on ubuntu touch?
[18:56] <ogra_> no
[18:57] <ogra_> (you might be able to ship a dalvik vm inside the click package of your app ... theoretically ...  practically it would have to talk to Mir, not sure if that would work)
[18:58] <espacial> after UT is installed, android is erased right?
[18:58] <stgraber> ogra_: it's safe to trigger a trusty build. The channels aren't setup yet but it won't cause any harm and is useful to check that the cdimage part works at least.
[18:58] <vila> ogra_: restoring grouper with bootloader-4.18 worked, couldn't install 4.23. I'm unblocked, just mentioning in case someone ran into the same issue
[18:58] <vila> espacial: ot
[18:58] <vila> espacial: it's erased before the install
[18:58] <ogra_> stgraber, great, just wanted to make sure i dont harm anything
[18:59] <espacial> thanks vila
[18:59] <stgraber> ogra_: system-image looks specifically for files starting with saucy- so it'll just ignore trusty
[18:59] <ogra_> ok
[18:59] <ogra_> well, that wont buy us an image to test :)
[19:01] <hayato_> alex: thanks i do it and i boot my phone in ubuntu touch it's great :) thank you for your help
[19:02] <fearphage> gss
[19:02] <yahoo_> hayato, how did u fix ?
[19:04] <stgraber> ogra_: trusty added to system-image, so if you manage to build an image, it should get published
[19:05] <ogra_> great
[19:05] <stgraber> ogra_: I also changed the paths so that it should notice a new post-release saucy image and import it as expected
[19:05] <ogra_> i dont see why i wouldnt manage to build one
[19:05] <ogra_> it is effectively saucy with new toochain
[19:06] <ogra_> stgraber, awesome, thanks
[19:06] <stgraber> ogra_: well, I got quite a few cdimage build failure e-mails in my inbox :)
[19:06]  * ogra_ sees them too
[19:06] <deiu> Anyone here working on the web browser? :)
[19:06] <yahoo_> when i visit firefox.com from UT. it say download from Play Store :D
[19:07] <yahoo_> they treat all others as Android
[19:08] <yahoo_> Why there is no sotware center in UT
[19:10] <ogra_> yahoo_, it is the "more suggestions" thing in the applications page
[19:10] <espacial> yahoo_: the devices are in WIP (work in progress) will be working for this year?
[19:12] <yahoo_> espacial, yeah but i guess it should atleast detect that its not android.
[19:14] <mfisch> stgraber: can we safely top approve something today?
[19:14] <stgraber> mfisch: the archive isn't open
[19:15] <mfisch> hmm, so what would happen
[19:15] <espacial> i am not developer, network manager, so don't know  nothing about codes, but I can help in this project testing images? or something?
[19:15] <mfisch> nm, I'll wait until Monday
[19:15] <stgraber> mfisch: no idea
[19:15] <stgraber> mfisch: I don't know how the auto landing stuff works. I suspect it'd just merge changes and never upload
[19:16] <mfisch> espacial: I think you could help with testing, but I'm not the right guy to ask that to
[19:17] <yahoo_> mfisch, yeah ! i am also interested in testing fixed version to get an idea of this OS !
[19:17] <yahoo_> I really love it. only having hard time using back button
[19:17] <mfisch> do you guys speak any other languages? I think they need help translating
[19:19] <espacial> I speak spanish (native language) and portugues (mother language)
[19:21] <mfisch> I know we need help with portuguese
[19:21] <mfisch> brazilian and portugal versions
[19:21] <espacial> brazilian I know
[19:21] <mfisch> abragado
[19:21] <espacial> obrigado ;)
[19:21] <mfisch> this wiki page is a little light on details: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Phone
[19:22] <mfisch> yeah I know English and French like a 4 year old would speak
[19:22] <mfisch> The core apps would be a good place to start
[19:22] <mfisch> I've not done translations before, but someone can help you probably
[19:23] <espacial> nice
[19:24] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, when I run my app using friends, I get warnings like:
[19:24] <rickspencer3> account-service-model.cpp 275 update
[19:24] <rickspencer3> accountService role is deprecated, use accountServiceHandle
[19:24] <rickspencer3> account-service.cpp 100 setObjectHandle Accounts::AccountService(0x211b3b0)
[19:24] <rickspencer3> should I care?
[19:26] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, nah
[19:26] <kenvandine> not yet
[19:26] <rickspencer3> :)
[19:26] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, you are iterating the accounts yourself right?
[19:26] <kenvandine> if so, you should update your code at some point
[19:26] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, don't remember, but I think so
[19:27] <kenvandine> but we won't break that until we bump the API version
[19:27] <rickspencer3> I am getting reddgur ready for the store :)
[19:27] <kenvandine> which i think we'll do before 14.04, but not for a while
[19:38] <deiu> The keyboard doesn't seem to show up sometimes, especially in browser :S
[19:39] <deiu> I imagine this has already been reported..
[20:00] <Bearson> hello
[20:01] <deiu> Hi!
[20:06] <k1l_> for flashing on my nexus in recovery i need: saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip    and  saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+mako.zip   right?
[20:07] <k1l_> nexus4 that is
[20:07] <ogra_> k1l_, you should use phablet-flash and the ubuntu/system image instaed
[20:07] <ogra_> the old images arent really supported anymore
[20:08] <k1l_> hmm, ok. i liked the cm like .zip flashing and nandroid in recovery
[20:09] <ogra_> you can still use it, but keep the bugs :)
[20:09] <ogra_> these images are just an interim product and do not get testing ... they use a completely different filesystem setup an many things wont workl in them (like upgrades)
[20:10] <ogra_> but since ports still need them until we can offer system-image installs for them it will still stay around for a while
[20:11] <k1l_> hmm, ok. so phablet-flash and adb backup beforehead. will adb backup all including recovery etc?
[20:11] <ogra_> no idea :)
[20:12] <ogra_> i never back up the devices i usually just wipe them
[20:13] <k1l_> im too lazy to make the setup again :)
[20:16] <rickspencer3> jdstrand, so I can't use Accounts API in my app?
[20:17] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, ^ ?
[20:17]  * spazzymoto likes the black magic you guys worked on battery life
[20:17] <rickspencer3> does that apply to import Ubuntu.OnlineAccounts 0.1
[20:17] <rickspencer3> import Friends 0.1?
[20:18] <rickspencer3> beuno, I bet you know ^ ?
[20:19] <beuno> rickspencer3, I've heard there's some things that need to land in order to use it properly
[20:19] <beuno> apparmor something something
[20:19] <rickspencer3> beuno, it says something about only being for "vetted" apps or something
[20:19] <beuno> right
[20:19] <beuno> we get warnings in the review scripts
[20:19] <rickspencer3> does that mean I can't use it?
[20:19] <rickspencer3> or just that you have to take a closer look as a reviewer?
[20:20] <beuno> rickspencer3, a closer look
[20:20] <rickspencer3> ok
[20:20] <rickspencer3> cool, and sorry :)
[20:20] <beuno> we'll need to manually inspect until the proper APIs are in place
[20:20] <beuno> np, it's an FAQ at this point I think
[20:21] <suriish> can i install Ubuntu touch in samsung galaxy s2 i1900
[20:22] <ogra_> suriish, i think there is a community port, but it is several months behind
[20:22] <ogra_> !devices | suriish
[20:23] <suriish> i installed but call and SMS are not working then i roll back to Android
[20:25] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, why not?
[20:25] <kenvandine> you need to add accounts policygroup to your click package
[20:25] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, yeah, doing that
[20:25] <kenvandine> which i think is there
[20:25] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: re accounts> basically-- there is a missing mir feature that means we can't prompt for access
[20:25] <rickspencer3> but there is a note in the UI which says "for vetted apps only"
[20:25] <rickspencer3> and I didn't know what a vetted app was
[20:26] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: but we can let apps through as needed (but they need to be inspected)
[20:26] <rickspencer3> jdstrand, ok, I think that's what beuno said
[20:26] <rickspencer3> so, I'm submitting
[20:26] <rickspencer3> :)
[20:26] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: it is bug #1230091
[20:27] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: aiui, it is utmost priority to get it implemented, since our trust model depends on that
[20:28] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: I've spoken to the mir team and tvoss about it-- it is all planned to be implemented very soon (aiui)
[20:28] <rickspencer3> sounds good
[20:28] <beuno> jdstrand, I guess you'll have an app to review soon  ;)
[20:31] <ninoo> hi
[20:31] <jdstrand> joy
[20:31] <ninoo> hello
[20:32] <ninoo> Can I ask here for information
[20:33] <ninoo> for Ubuntu on a phone
[20:33] <ninoo> ?
[20:40] <NicKBUG> hello!
[20:40] <NicKBUG> anyone had a problem on grouper, with the screen flickering?
[20:42] <nhaines> k1l_: adb backup only backs up applications, some system settings,  and shared storage.  Not your call log, messages, or email, most notably.
[20:44] <Blue> Hi, can somebody help me out?
[20:53] <nhaines> !questions | blue
[20:59] <spazzymoto> Hey guys, anyone experinced this in ubuntu sdk when trying to run app on device : [22:54:40] bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Invalid argument bash: no job control in this shell
[21:07] <k1l_> nhaines: ok. i will do a nandroid then too
[21:20] <nhaines> k1l_: fabulous idea  :)
[21:41] <hello-there> Gentlemen........................................Im gona have a Heart Attack .......its been on "Pushing /home/......... to /cache/recovery for 5-7 mins and phone screen is blank .....is this normal... ??? PLEASE !!
[21:43] <hello-there> Anyone here can help ?
[21:46] <asadsalm> Installing now on Nexus 4
[21:47] <hello-there> Gentlemen........................................Im gona have a Heart Attack .......its been on "Pushing /home/......... to /cache/recovery for 5-7 mins and phone screen is blank .....is this normal... ??? PLEASE !!
[21:47] <hello-there> How long does this take normally ??
[21:59] <cwayne_> hello-there, well, firstly know that it's damn near possible to actually break your phone doing this :)
[21:59] <cwayne_> impossible that is
[21:59] <cwayne_> damn near impossible *
[22:08] <hello-there> HEY !  Its WORKING!!!!!!!    :))))))
[22:12] <asadsalm> Get 3G Working like this: https://plus.google.com/100264483712374857174/posts/3o1tjYo9Ghx
[22:13] <asadsalm> Get Google Contacts like this: http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/google-contacts-on-ubuntu-touch.html
[23:01] <Alexey_> hello
[23:01] <Alexey_> why i install russian languege on touch?
[23:10] <n-iCe> so stable was released
[23:10] <n-iCe> do ubuntu has already an app store? and apps?
[23:16] <d7gonzo> hail
[23:17] <d7gonzo> setting up a nexus 4 right now with touch
[23:18] <d7gonzo> when trying to flash the initial system the phone is sitting at a black screen...do i just wait it out?
[23:18] <d7gonzo> terminal says waiting "Waiting for recovery image to boot"
[23:33] <d7gonzo> hello...i realize it's late on a friday night but is there any life in the channel?
[23:33] <jholtom> i'm here.
[23:33] <jholtom> d7gonzo: whats up?
[23:38] <D4rkSilver> d7gonzo: always
[23:48] <spence> has anyone been able to get this working with a d2vzw?
[23:57] <Egoista> How do I change the time?
[23:58] <Egoista> And how do I install apps? I touch them but it doesnt do anything
[23:59] <n-iCe> I think there are no apps