[09:52] <[Ex0r]> vibhav- yeah, I need to remove the one I installed somehow
[09:53] <kholerabbi> ikonia, it's just a home machine, I was more asking for people's experience then for a release date :P
[09:53] <[Ex0r]> nope it's still not working
[09:53] <ikonia> kholerabbi: "no"
[09:53] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: what's the issue now ?
[09:53] <[Ex0r]> same thing
[09:53] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf is %100 gone ?
[09:54] <vibhav> [Ex0r], sudo apt-get remove --purge fglrx* , sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-radeon , sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati , sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-core , sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .....Am I right ikonia?
[09:54] <ikonia> vibhav: NO
[09:54] <vibhav> ikonia why?
[09:54] <ikonia> vibhav: did you read what he said ! he installed them from the ATI site, not from the repos
[09:54] <ikonia> vibhav: where did you get that command ?
[09:54] <[Ex0r]> ikonia- Okay, after reboot xorg.conf is back in the directory again
[09:54] <vibhav> ikoina Wiki command
[09:55] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: ok, that's intersting and that's also the issue
[09:55] <[Ex0r]> if it makes it any easier, the distro is ubuntu with xbmclive wrapped around it
[09:56] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: hand on heart I don't know how xbmclive would effect it
[09:56] <[Ex0r]> well, the error itself is coming from xbmc, it says 'xbmc needs opengl hardware acceleration. Please install the appropriate drivers'
[09:57] <bullgard4> jrib: '~$ sudo pm-suspend' works all right. --  Thank you again for your help.
[09:57] <[Ex0r]> I think something is wrong with the drivers themselves, because fglrxinfo is 'supposed' to display what drivers are installed
[09:57] <[Ex0r]> but it just says cant open display (null)
[09:57] <GHost> does it matter if its a xubuntu vs ubuntu
[09:58] <Guest58848> i can have ubuntu instal and install xfce with xubuntu light weight
[09:58] <JasonGriffee> Can I have someone verify the safety of this recommendation I have been given? it involves the /etc/init.d/rc script.
[09:58] <MarcWeber> ikonia: Will those also learn about syn packets? I know that source can be spoofed. BUt if not I'd like to block source IP.
[09:58] <jrib> JasonGriffee: just ask the question
[09:58] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: one moment, not forgot about you
[09:59] <[Ex0r]> ikonia- I am using that page you gave me (the wiki page), and it seems to be doing something different now as far as installing
[09:59] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: hang on there just 1 minute
[09:59] <ikonia> (please)
[09:59] <[Ex0r]> k
[09:59] <JasonGriffee> in the /etc/init.d/rc script, is it safe to set "CONCURRENCY=shell"
[10:01] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: I'm just having a quick look to see if xmbc has anything to do with the re-creation of the xorg
[10:01] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: just want to check that out before you pull anything
[10:02] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: is your machine on the network ?
[10:02] <[Ex0r]> ikonia- yes
[10:02] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: could you sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[10:02] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: it's just a command that allows you to pastebin from the command line
[10:03] <jrib> !away > jkr-away
[10:03] <[Ex0r]> done
[10:03] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: could you "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit" please.
[10:04] <[Ex0r]> http://pastebin.com/zQDcfdia
[10:04] <JasonGriffee> in the /etc/init.d/rc script, is it safe to set "CONCURRENCY=shell"?
[10:04] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: interesting, ok, so lets try to do a little "hack" to get you a basic desktop, is that ok as a method going forward ?
[10:05] <hansg01> i musing ubuntu 10.10 on my hp g6 1117tx
[10:05] <[Ex0r]> whatever fixes it, haha
[10:05] <hansg01> wireless prob
[10:05] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: are you "ok" with a text editor ?
[10:05] <[Ex0r]> I can use pico and nano
[10:05] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: ok, so "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[10:05] <hansg01> @ikonia can't find nething from the doc you gave
[10:05] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: we'll try to change the config file, rather than remove it
[10:05] <SavageWolf> Interesting, I just upgraded to 11.10, and it set /tmp to rwxr-xr-x...
[10:05] <Myrtti> !oneiric | SavageWolf
[10:05] <[Ex0r]> okay, its open
[10:06] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: go to the line that says Driver "fglrx"
[10:06] <hansg01> nothing visible as wireless in the taskbar
[10:06] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: change the "fglrx" to "vesa"
[10:06] <[Ex0r]> k
[10:06] <hansg01> there is a red ! on network manel on panel
[10:06] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: if it re-creates it when we remove it, hopefully it will leave it alone if we just alter it
[10:07] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: try restarting X / rebooting
[10:07] <[Ex0r]> k, give me a couple secs to reboot
[10:07] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: lets see if it alters it back, in honesty I don't normally use ati so I don't know what's re-creating
[10:07] <[Ex0r]> I generally dont like nvidia, nothing but problems with them hardware wise, so ive dedicated to ati
[10:08] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: as in I don't know what's re-creating it, I'm guessing some ati config tool, but I don't know what's launching that and how
[10:08] <[Ex0r]> hmm, okay
[10:08] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: I'm having a little research now to see if that's normal or something xmbc does
[10:08] <[Ex0r]> it appears that its doing it again
[10:08] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: so it's changed the config file back ?
[10:08] <[Ex0r]> no i think its in vesa now
[10:08] <[Ex0r]> but its giving the same error
[10:08] <racho> [Ex0r], at grub menu press 'e' and modify the starting parameters 'quiet splash' to 'nosplash nomodeset'
[10:08] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: have a look at the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[10:09] <JasonGriffee> in the /etc/init.d/rc script, is it safe to set "CONCURRENCY=shell"?
[10:09] <ikonia> racho: are you suggesting this a problem before it gets to X11 ?
[10:09] <[Ex0r]> nope its still the same
[10:09] <[Ex0r]> didnt modify it
[10:09] <[Ex0r]> Driver "vesa"
[10:09] <racho> [Ex0r], it will boot into safe "vesa" mode and you can use the apt-get or the restricted drivers to fix it
[10:09] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: so it does say "vesa" now
[10:09] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: Hmmm
[10:09] <[Ex0r]> ikonia- I'm not expert, but it appears that there is something wrong with the drivers
[10:10] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: well, you shouldn't be using the ati ones now according to that config
[10:10] <RESTRICTED> gyg
[10:10] <[Ex0r]> before I installed the ones from the site, it was working
[10:10] <[Ex0r]> I could boot right into xbmc
[10:10] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: remove the line Option "DPMS" "true" too from /etc/X11/xorg.conf please
[10:10] <RESTRICTED> restricted drivers to fix it
[10:10] <racho> [Ex0r], if you have an ati card put the fglrx drivers and somehow update your kernel or x-server there is always this kind of problem
[10:10] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: I understand that, but the config line you're using now shouldn't use the ati ones, it should use the failsafe ones
[10:12] <ex0r2> ikonia i removed that line
[10:12] <ikonia> ex0r2: oh, a different nick
[10:12] <racho> ikonia, first he needs to reconfigure xorg to user the new xorg.conf but it will probably spit an error out whie trying
[10:12] <ex0r2> yeah, i timed out, haha
[10:12] <ikonia> racho: ??? it will use xorg.conf, you don't have to change anything to get it to use that file
[10:13] <ex0r> stupid connection
[10:13] <ex0r> i think im stable now
[10:13] <ikonia> ex0r: no problem.
[10:13] <ex0r> okay, I removed that line you asked me to
[10:13] <ikonia> ex0r: I'm not expecting it to make a massive difference,
[10:14] <ikonia> ex0r: I just want to check something
[10:14] <racho> [Ex0r], i really suggest to boot with 'nosplash nomodeset' and fix it with System Settings -> Additional Drivers
[10:14] <ex0r> racho- xorg is installed, but its a very basic interface, and isnt set to load up automatically, xbmc loads up on bootup
[10:14] <ikonia> racho: I agree the additional drivers tool is the way to fix it, but picking up the vesa driver is not working
[10:15] <ikonia> racho: I'm wondering if xmbc is adding/doing something to it
[10:15] <ikonia> racho: if you remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf something re-creates it, so I'm wondering if that's xmbc
[10:15] <ex0r> its possible, because xbmc is setup to load on bootup automatically
[10:15] <racho> ikonia, maybe it is. or it recreates it from xorg.conf.failsafe
[10:16] <ikonia> racho: no, it re-creates it with the ati stuff, hence my caution
[10:16] <ikonia> ex0r: that's what I'm wondering
[10:16] <ikonia> racho: the failsafe contains vesa for obvious reasons, something is re-creating the config with the ati stuff, and I can only assume (researching) that it's xmbc
[10:17] <ex0r> ikonia- so do you have any ideas? Perhaps a config option in xbmc?
[10:17] <ikonia> ex0r: I'm just having a quick read through the xmbc docs, you could not have picked two worse topics for me, ati and xmbc, but the behaviour is odd, so I'm sure we can work it out
[10:18] <ex0r> ikonia- okay
[10:19] <panda__> hi
[10:19] <panda__> I have a quick question
[10:19] <ex0r> im browsing through the xbmc dir to see if I can see a config file somewhere, but there doesn't appear to be one
[10:20] <panda__> The '|' can be used to pass the output of one command to another
[10:20] <ikonia> ex0r: is it possible to disable xmbc from starting at boot (for a test)
[10:20] <panda__> I want to cd to a directory that I search for via string, but cd | ls | grep "words"
[10:20] <panda__> doesn't give me the right result
[10:20] <ikonia> panda__: you can't do cd |
[10:20] <ex0r> ikonia- no idea, I don't know how to do it
[10:21] <ikonia> ex0r: ah, ok
[10:21] <panda__> ikonia, can you suggest anything
[10:21] <ikonia> ex0r: what version of ubuntu is this
[10:21] <Myrtti> panda__: cd must be given the name of the directory you are moving to
[10:21] <ex0r> luci
[10:21] <ex0r> lucid*
[10:21] <ikonia> panda__: ls -la /path/you want | grep words
[10:21] <ikonia> ex0r: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf is there a xorg.conf.failsafe ?
[10:22] <ex0r> ikonia- http://pastebin.com/H96UGyTv
[10:22] <panda__> ikonia, I'm looking to change into the directory that I have searched for
[10:23] <ikonia> ex0r: that's interesting having the ofirinals too
[10:23] <ex0r> thats the entire /etc/X11 directory
[10:23] <ikonia> ex0r: originals
[10:23] <panda__> hence the cd
[10:23] <ikonia> panda__: you need to script that sort of thing
[10:23] <ikonia> panda__: with results evaluation
[10:23] <ex0r> they are empty, ikonia
[10:23] <panda__> cool, sounds fun
[10:23] <user> j #php
[10:23] <ikonia> ex0r: odd odd
[10:24] <ex0r> ikonia- except the fglrx one
[10:24] <ikonia> yup
[10:24] <ex0r> that has stuff in it
[10:24] <panda__> where can I place a script file for me to be able to go ~$: func param param
[10:24] <panda__> so that func is recognised as useable in any directoy
[10:24] <ikonia> ex0r: let me see if we can build a failsafe xorg config
[10:25] <th0r> panda__: I think ~/bin will work
[10:25] <ex0r> this is very frustrating, seems like its almost easier just to reinstall the livecd
[10:25] <panda__> th0r, awesome, I thought so too :)
[10:25] <ex0r> ikonia- okay, let's do it
[10:25] <ex0r> Thank you so much for the help, by the way
[10:25] <ikonia> ex0r: just one minute
[10:25] <ikonia> ex0r: no problem, I'm sorry it's not better out of the blocks
[10:25] <ex0r> Blame it on ATI :)
[10:26] <ex0r> Excellent hardware, crap software
[10:26] <ikonia> ex0r: actually it maybe easier to do it this way
[10:27] <ikonia> if someone could pastebin their /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe, you could then wget it
[10:27] <kayaman> hi all
[10:27] <ex0r> does it have to be from the same xorg version?
[10:27] <ikonia> ex0r: no, just a sane ubuntu failsafe
[10:27] <ikonia> ex0r: I don't have an ubuntu box to hand to give you one myself,
[10:27] <ikonia> ex0r: failing that we'll build one from scratch
[10:28] <ex0r> lol
[10:29] <ikonia> ex0r: one more thing to check "grep "/etc/X11/xorg" /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:30] <ikonia> ex0r: lets see what file it wants to use
[10:31] <ex0r> using config file: /etc/X11/xconfig.org
[10:31] <ikonia> ex0r: that's grep "/etc/X11/xorg" /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:31] <ex0r> xorg.conf*
[10:31] <ikonia> ex0r: ooooh
[10:31] <ikonia> ahh
[10:31] <ex0r> sorry, typo :)
[10:31] <ikonia> ex0r: so it is using xorg.conf, fine
[10:31] <ikonia> that's worth checking
[10:32] <ex0r> got two different keyboards here, confusing
[10:32] <ikonia> not a problem
[10:33] <ex0r> ikonia- I wonder if aticonfig has something to do with it ?
[10:33] <ikonia> ex0r: no doubt that's what created it
[10:33] <ikonia> based on the comments in the file
[10:33] <ikonia> ex0r: the bit I'm surprised about it the re-creation
[10:33] <ikonia> ex0r: that maybe a genuine ati feature, I don't know
[10:34] <ex0r> maybe catalystc control center is starting up at startup and rechanging it?
[10:34] <ikonia> ex0r: could you pastebin the output of "ls -la /etc/init.d" please
[10:34] <ikonia> ex0r: lets have a look at that while I try to digout the xorg failsafe
[10:34] <ikonia> (unless someone with an ubuntu box on here would be kind enough to pastebin their /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe)
[10:35] <JasonGriffee> in the /etc/init.d/rc script, is it safe to set "CONCURRENCY=shell"?
[10:36] <ex0r> http://pastebin.com/v2W6cVhy
[10:36] <ex0r> look at #76
[10:37] <ikonia> ex0r: that's ok, thats xmbc
[10:37] <ikonia> ex0r: we'll come back to that if the xorg failsafe doesn't play
[10:37] <ex0r> k
[10:38] <ex0r> im also trying to find xorg.conf.failsafe
[10:39] <ikonia> ex0r: for some reason it doesn't appear to be on your machine, but you do have some oddones installed in there too, so I don't know what's happened
[10:39] <ex0r> http://pastebin.com/K1TjZnW4
[10:39] <ex0r> ?
[10:39] <ikonia> ex0r: where was that ?
[10:39] <ex0r> I found it on google
[10:39] <ex0r> "xorg.conf.failsafe pastebin
[10:39] <ikonia> ex0r: that's it, perfect, put that in place on in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:39] <ikonia> ex0r: so that's utter back to basics,
[10:40] <ex0r> can I wget that ?
[10:41] <ikonia> ex0r: errr no, I don't think so
[10:41] <ikonia> ex0r: it would get the pastebin webpage, rather than the content
[10:41] <ikonia> http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=H96UGyTv
[10:41] <ikonia> use that
[10:42] <ikonia> ex0r: http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=H96UGyTv
[10:42] <panda__> hey
[10:43] <panda__> th0r
[10:43] <panda__> ikonia, I did cd $(ls | grep words)
[10:43] <panda__> gave me the exact result I needed
[10:44] <ex0r> ikonia- thats a paste of my x11 directory
[10:44] <ikonia> ex0r: oops, sorry.
[10:44] <ikonia> ex0r: http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=K1TjZnW4
[10:45] <ex0r> okay, done
[10:45] <ikonia> ex0r: lets try it
[10:46] <ex0r> okay, what do we do?
[10:46] <ikonia> ex0r: restart X/reboot
[10:46] <ikonia> ex0r: (I assume that is now your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[10:46] <ikonia> ex0r: as in that data is your config file
[10:46] <ex0r> lol no whoops
[10:47] <ex0r> I saved it as xorg.conf.failsafe
[10:47] <ikonia> ex0r: no problem, copy it to your xorg.conf file too (as well as)
[10:47] <ex0r> done, now lets reboot
[10:48] <ex0r> ikonia- it started loading up xbmc, than kicked me out to terminal
[10:49] <ikonia> ex0r: ok, so that's a step forward, we know that a.) your xorg will start b.) xmbc is causing an issue here
[10:49] <ex0r> and xorg.conf is still how it was before reboot
[10:49] <ThonEney> does someone know how can i make ubuntu no manage updating chrome/firefox?
[10:49] <ikonia> ex0r: ok, so the xorg.conf is still containing the failsafe data
[10:49] <ex0r> yes
[10:49] <ikonia> ex0r: ok, so lets look at disabling xmbc first
[10:50] <ex0r> k
[10:51] <llutz> ThonEney: set packages you don't want to upgrade on hold (aptitude hold <packagename>)
[10:51] <ex0r> ikonia- im assuming we have to modify /etc/init.d
[10:51] <dr_willis> ThonEney:  how do you want to mange it then?
[10:52] <ikonia> ex0r: that would be the simple way of doing this
[10:52] <ThonEney> well they have their own update managers i don't see why they shouldn't use those
[10:52] <ikonia> ex0r: move (not copy) the xmbc file in /etc/init.d to xmbc.disabled
[10:52] <ex0r> k
[10:53] <ikonia> ex0r: I can't remember what the file was called xmbc.conf ?
[10:53] <llutz> ThonEney: not those from the repos
[10:53] <dr_willis> ThonEney:  because each user would need to update the program theirselfs..
[10:53] <ex0r> move xbmc-live xbmc.disabled
[10:53] <ex0r> mv&
[10:53] <ikonia> ex0r: was it called xmbc-live ?
[10:53] <ex0r> yes
[10:53] <ex0r> okay, done
[10:53] <ThonEney> i'm the only user, the reason is because chrome updates always seem to be 20ish mb, i don't think regular ones are that much
[10:54] <ikonia> ex0r: ok, lets me super sure, move xmbc-live.disabled to your home directory
[10:54] <ikonia> ex0r: that way there is nothing in the init.d directory to launch into upstart
[10:54] <ikonia> ex0r: I don't know how xmbc is as an upstart script, so lets make sure by moving it out of the way
[10:54] <dr_willis> use the chrome stable ppa and you wont have as many updates
[10:54] <ex0r> alrighty, done
[10:54] <ikonia> ex0r: ok, now lets reboot
[10:55] <ex0r> okay, its rebooting
[10:55] <ex0r> still loading up
[10:56] <ThonEney> dr_willis, i believe this is the stable channel
[10:56] <ex0r> ikonia- it loads xbmc up still
[10:56] <ex0r> but than crashes back to terminal
[10:56] <ikonia> ex0r: wow, I wonder what's doing that
[10:56] <ikonia> ex0r: how did you install xmbc
[10:57] <ex0r> ikonia- it comes on a livecd
[10:57] <ex0r> you put the livecd in and install, and it installs it all together
[10:57] <ikonia> ex0r: oooh, so this isn't a stock ubuntu distro ?
[10:57] <ikonia> it's an xmbc one based on ubuntu
[10:57] <Peace_Maker> Hi all
[10:57] <ex0r> its ubuntu with some xbmc stuff added to it
[10:57] <dr_willis> ex0r:  you are using the xbmc live cd? it was very flakey last i tried it.
[10:57] <ex0r> when it starts up, it shows ubuntu 10.0.4 or something
[10:58] <ikonia> ex0r: ok, lets jump into the channel ##linux and work this through
[10:58] <dr_willis> ex0r:  was eeaier to install ubuntu, then install xmbc :)
[10:58] <ikonia> ex0r: as this channel only supports official ubuntu builds,
[10:58] <ex0r> oh, i figured with it being ubuntu it was
[10:58] <ex0r> sorry
[10:58] <ikonia> ex0r: not a problem, we'll pick this up in ##linux
[10:58] <dr_willis> Most people dont even know there is a xbmc cd :) it was a little out of date last i looked at it.
[10:58] <ex0r> im banned in there for some reason
[10:58] <ex0r> i cant talk
[10:58] <ikonia> ex0r: ahhh you need to register
[10:59] <ikonia> !register | ex0r
[11:03] <sweb1> is ubuntu 11.10 still using Unity ?
[11:04] <dr_willis> of course
[11:04] <dr_willis> its going to be the default for the foreseable futyre
[11:08] <sweb1> dr_willis, Ubuntu lose many user to use this feature. i don't like Unity. :(
[11:08] <dr_willis> sweb1:  im not about to sit here and debate  it..  its a new feature and it has improved in 11.10 by 1000%
[11:08] <dr_willis> I can rember when gnome was 'new' and buggy like crazy.. same for kde (twice now) and other  new things..
[11:09] <sweb1> dr_willis, GNOME UI is more friendly with user. Canonical must support the GNOME instead create an alternate desktop feature such as Unity
[11:09] <dr_willis> sweb1:  You need to research it a bit more..  unity is running on top of gnome 3.
[11:09] <dr_willis> and you can easially install gnome3/gnome-shell if you want on 11.10
[11:10] <ikonia> sweb1: canonical don't have to do any such thing, they have chosen the direction for their desktop, you must choose if you want to use it
[11:10] <dr_willis> the gnome2 devs have stopped work on gnome2 and moved to gnome3 - which is just as new as unity.
[11:10] <dr_willis> if you want an old-skool classic desktop theres Lubuntu/lxde and Xfce.
[11:11] <dr_willis> Lubuntu has gotten VERY VERY well done. in 11.10 :)
[11:11] <zakwilson> Those tend to be light and fast if that makes a difference.
[11:11] <oooaaaooo> help! Ubuntu 11.04 on samsung nc110 netbook keeps freezing all day
[11:11] <shbk> i want to find out how many keys my keyboard has.  i have tried lshw , lspci,  hwinfo, sysinfo,hardinfo.  i am planning if this bash function to use it in c++ via   system() call, afterward receive output, parse it and take what i needed. i 've  almost all info about system which is needed.  but I'm confused with keyboard. how can i do this in c++ or bash?
[11:12] <oooaaaooo> what should I do?
[11:12] <zakwilson> Unity feels like it wants to be Mac OS X for power users or some such.
[11:12] <zakwilson> shbk: why don't you count them?
[11:12] <dr_willis> I dont find Unity like OS-X at all.. but ive used GUI's since the old C64GEOS and win3.x days :)
[11:12]  * dr_willis is old.
[11:13] <zHammeRz> on the otherhand I absolutely love Unity and the way it works/interacts with the desktop
[11:13] <shbk> I ain't accountant
[11:13] <dr_willis> i have gotten where i just fullscreen apps and alt-tab around all day :)
[11:13] <zakwilson> I used Win 3.1 and Mac OS 6 when they were current and I DO think Unity is Mac-like.
[11:13] <dr_willis> i rarely even use/see the unity panel
[11:13] <oooaaaooo> hi guys my 11.04 has been freezing on me all day; is there a log that I can take a look at?
[11:13] <geirha> shbk: I don't think the keyboard emits that information
[11:13] <dumbo88> nobody remembers Apple II peeks and pokes :-(
[11:14] <dr_willis> dumbo88:  yes. :)
[11:14] <sweb1> yeah GNOME 3 also have many problem. Both GNOME 3 and Unity is so simpler and not useful for intermediate users
[11:14] <shbk> I 've seen it is possible under DOS
[11:14] <sweb1> i change my desktop to Ubuntu Classics for using 11.04
[11:14] <sweb1> i'm web developer. unity not good for me
[11:14] <dr_willis> gnome-3 has a fallback/classic type look.
[11:14] <zakwilson> The Unity panel (do they call it a panel?) is very dock-like and Unity has a semi-persistent menu bar kinda like Mac OS.
[11:14] <geirha> shbk: If it has windows keys, it's 105. Media buttons don't count as keys.
[11:14] <oooaaaooo> whats with all the offtopic crap??
[11:15] <shbk> I know
[11:15] <dr_willis> im seeing more and more creative keyboard layouts lately also.  Logitech removed some keys from the last keyboard i bought from them
[11:15] <zakwilson> oooaaaooo: GUIs for Ubuntu are pretty on-topic I think. Nobody's answering your question because we don't know.
[11:16] <zakwilson> Freezing sounds like it could be a video driver problem. /var/log/Xorg.0.log might have something.
[11:16] <llutz> zakwilson: its offtopic, this is support channel not general discussion
[11:16] <oooaaaooo> zakwilson: what? this is the ubuntu support channel
[11:16] <geirha> shbk: I suspect the way to "detect" it is to have a database on it.
[11:17] <dr_willis> could be overheating also..  so without more details its hard to say
[11:17] <shbk> I think system has such information, but where does exactly?  I've looked /dev   /sys  /proc,  nothing
[11:18] <dr_willis> !info hwinfo
[11:18] <ikonia> shbk: I don't think it contains a keyboard count nativly
[11:18] <ikonia> shbk: keyboards don't normally offer the information "I have 62 keys"
[11:19] <dr_willis> the installer dosent automtically detect the keyboard # i noticed. it did have some sort of wizard to help you figure out the keyboard.. but Im always on standard Usa/105's so never mess with them
[11:19] <dr_willis> of course half the time im on a laptop with an extra keyboard attatched. so i wonder what the system would detect in that case.
[11:20] <shbk> ubottu: I tried hwinfo
[11:22] <craigbass1976> I've done an apt-get --purge remove wine and still get /usr/bin/wine when I type which wine.  I also still see wine entries in the applications menu.  What'd I miss?
[11:23] <sven_> craigbass1976, wine1.2 wine1.3? aptitude search wine |grep ^i
[11:23] <craigbass1976> aptitude search wine |grep ^i
[11:23] <craigbass1976> hey, this isn't a terminal....  sorry sven_
[11:24] <sven_> craigbass1976, open one
[11:24] <dr_willis> the user installed wine progrmas are NOT removed by the package manager.
[11:24] <dr_willis> that would be very annoying if it did remove them all. :)
[11:24] <craigbass1976> sven_, I did, then accidentally pasted in here.
[11:24] <dr_willis> plus the which wine command may be showing the cached history/apps it saw in the path
[11:25] <dr_willis> is there a /usr/bin/wine binary still?
[11:25] <craigbass1976> dr_willis, where are those stored, /home/me/.wine ?
[11:25] <dr_willis> craigbass1976:  .wine for the actal stuff. and the icons come from some other dir. .config/apps   or somthing like that
[11:25] <craigbass1976> http://pastebin.com/7LZRvHf3
[11:25] <dr_willis> the point to rember is the package manager does not manage the stuff in the users home. :)
[11:26] <craigbass1976> That's the output of aptitude search
[11:26] <dr_willis> craigbass1976: is there a /usr/bin/wine binary?
[11:26] <dr_willis> does the command 'wine' work. :)
[11:27] <craigbass1976> It appears to be installing Sketchup
[11:28] <Kupa> Kupa
[11:29] <Kupa> Ahjooo
[11:30] <craigbass1976> dr_willis, sudo dpkg -r wine  ?
[11:30] <Asterix^2> ciao
[11:33] <Asterix^2> prova
[11:33] <Asterix^2> !list
[11:38] <Asterix^2> !list
[11:38] <dr_willis> craigbass1976:  if you remove a binary there still may be a cache record of it  in things like wich and so forth. if  you are really worried about it.. you could logout/back in or reboot.
[11:39] <craigbass1976> dr_willis, there were all sorts of packages left though.  I did a dpkg -r or --purge on all of them.  Was that the right way to do it?
[11:44] <thoidingjam> when i try to install googl chrome it reads ERROR: WRONG ARCHITECTURE "amd64" any help?
[11:45] <szal> thoidingjam: how are you trying to install it?
[11:46] <thoidingjam> the chrome zip stable on site. i tried  to open with Gdebi package installer. it used to work before.
[11:47] <szal> thoidingjam: 'lsb_release -a' please
[11:47] <dr_willis> craigbass1976:  remove wine package, then perhaps sudo apt-get autoremove should get anything left over.
[11:47] <dr_willis> thoidingjam:  you got the 32bit binary/64bit when your system is the other type.
[11:47] <dr_willis> easier tojust add the google ppa and install them that way
[11:47] <thoidingjam> ubuntu 9.10 ka rmic
[11:48] <dr_willis> or repo.or whatever it is. :)
[11:48] <thoidingjam> i tried beta too
[11:48] <szal> thoidingjam: out of support, sorry
[11:48] <szal> !eol | thoidingjam
[11:48] <thoidingjam> it used to work. till yesterday
[11:49] <thoidingjam> i reinstalled my os today morning and i cant get chrome back. i used to have it before ryt bfo the reinstall
[11:49] <szal> thoidingjam: upgrade to 10.04 or newer and we can continue, but for now it's EOD
[11:49] <thoidingjam> ok to upgrade how do i help myself?
[11:50] <szal> thoidingjam: see above, 2nd link
[11:50] <thoidingjam> ryt. moment
[12:04] <thoidingjam> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades it mentions about updrading from 9.10 to 10.04 LTS . but has no description as provided for below 9.10
[12:05] <auronandace> thoidingjam: you are better off just installing a new version from scratch
[12:06] <thoidingjam> witha cd or something?
[12:06] <auronandace> thoidingjam: yeah, or usb
[12:07] <thoidingjam> is it available n market where do you recommend i get it from?
[12:07] <auronandace> thoidingjam: word of warning though: 10.10 and 11.04 come with unity by default
[12:07] <oooaaaooo> hi guys am running 11.04 on a samsung nc110 netbook; would like the ability to select between b/g/n wifi networks , how do i do that?
[12:07] <Sidewinder1> thoidingjam, Why not just copy your /home to an ext. drive; download current ISO; md5sum it; burn to CD; install. Then copy /home back to HD?
[12:07] <auronandace> !download | thoidingjam
[12:09] <auronandace> Sidewinder1: he's already reinstalled 9.04 fresh this morning, would be better to just have a fresh home partition
[12:09] <th0r> auronandace: and make it a separate partition so in the future upgrades will be easier
[12:09] <auronandace> th0r: indeed
[12:10] <Sidewinder1> auronandace, OIC, sorry, didn't read ^up^ far enough. :-)
[12:10] <auronandace> np
[12:10] <oooaaaooo> hi guys am running 11.04 on a samsung nc110 netbook; would like the ability to select between b/g/n wifi networks , how do i do that?
[12:10] <dr_willis> you mean you want to force it to use 'g' when you are on a 'n' network?
[12:11] <oooaaaooo> dr_willis: no i want it to connect to g when a network supports multiple protocols
[12:12] <oooaaaooo> dr_willis: or n, or b just want the ability to set it
[12:12] <Curseorange> So i am in need of repairing my GRUB anyone able to assist me? Much appreciated
[12:13] <Cyrax5> I need to edit a PDF file. Gimp can import each page of the pdf as an image and thus allow me to edit them. However how can I save those now edited pictures back into a pdf file?
[12:13] <auronandace> Curseorange: what is wrong with it?
[12:13] <th0r> Cyrax5: cups-pdf?
[12:14] <Cyrax5> th0r How do I do it with that?
[12:14] <th0r> Cyrax5: cups-pdf creates a virtual printer so you can 'print' to a pdf file
[12:14] <Curseorange> Well, when i boot my pc ( i have 2 partitions win7 and ubuntu) it boots and when it should allow me to choose between OS, it gives me the error "mode not supported" I am assuming it is because i installed the windows after the ubuntu, What options do i have to restore my GRUB so i have a selection again?
[12:15] <Curseorange> That error for the record is from my monitor not my system
[12:15] <auronandace> !grub2 | Curseorange
[12:15] <Cyrax5> th0r Ah okay thanks I'll look into that now.
[12:15] <Curseorange> Ok, i shall take a look here.
[12:17] <Fishman12a> Curseorange: Or you can look here. This is (to me) a much simpler explanation and I have used it - http://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/grub
[12:17] <oooaaaooo>  11.04 on a samsung nc110 netbook;how do you select between b/g/n connection offered by a given access point?
[12:17] <Curseorange> fishman12a well i mean it says all ill really have to do is install that repair boot cd, right? and run that? simple enough
[12:18] <Fishman12a> Curseorange: Usually. Your problem doesn't seem that severe
[12:18] <Polah> Curseorange, you can do it from a LiveCD
[12:18] <Curseorange> Nah i just overwrote it
[12:18] <Polah> oooaaaooo, why would you need to switch between protocols?
[12:18] <th0r> oooaaaooo: as far as I know there isn't any way to do that.
[12:18] <Curseorange> I can do it from a liveCD? Well i have many ubuntu cds laying around, mind explaining the process?
[12:19] <Polah> Curseorange, you want to reinstall GRUB, right?
[12:19] <Curseorange> Yes
[12:20] <Polah> Curseorange, just boot up the LiveCD, open a terminal and run sudo grub-install /dev/sdX   , replace as necessary for the device you want to install it on, then run sudo update-grub and you should be good
[12:20] <Cyrax5> th0r I'm reading on how to use cups-pdf now. But it says to 'Go to the Permissions tab and click the "Set user ID" special flag' Set user ID flag? Never heard of that before?
[12:20] <Curseorange> Alright, thanks polah i shall try this one
[12:20] <snufft> hi guys
[12:20] <Curseorange> I will return with good news with all luck
[12:20] <oooaaaooo> Polah: I believe my wireless driver is causing intermittent crashes on my netbook and the only thing that I have noticed to be different is my new wireless environment supports some kinda 2.4g &5g dual bandwidth
[12:20] <Fishman12a> Curseorange: You didnt happen to install Windows and Ubuntu on seperate drives did you?
[12:21] <racho> Fishman12a, i think he might have
[12:21] <oooaaaooo> Polah: and as far as I know only n uses 2.4/5 GHz
[12:21] <th0r> Cyrax5: what are you reading? I just installed it and then used the cups interface to choose it as my default. Without that...if you just install it then it should show up as a printer choice when you go to print.
[12:21] <Curseorange> no only diff parititions
[12:21] <Curseorange> fail spelling
[12:21] <Fishman12a> All right
[12:22] <Polah> oooaaaooo, yes, n is dual-frequency with multiple channels, g is single channel on 2.4GHz
[12:22] <Polah> oooaaaooo: You may be able to disable allowed protocols on the router or whatever is providing your wireless
[12:22] <oooaaaooo> Polah: beyond my control
[12:23] <oooaaaooo> Polah: was told that i could connect to the g connection also provided by the same router
[12:23] <oooaaaooo> Polah: according to the system admin, the option is available within windows but have no help other than that
[12:24] <Cyrax5> th0r I was reading a tutorial on ubuntu forums. Said I had to do some things prior to be able to use the cups printer. I just tried printing it and it was already there.  Anyhoo thanks alot for helping!
[12:24] <snufft> 'm having a weird problem where i can't seem to access subdomains... example: google.com works fine and loads instantly. mail.google.com times out after about 5 mins or so. Chrome and FF. on a windomws machine on the same network, both are working fine :S
[12:24] <BlueWolf> I have just installed Ubuntu 11.04 on my laptop, Upgraded and installed afew programs. When I tried to get compiz, desktop cube working the tool bars on my desktop disappeared. So I restarted and went into the ubuntu classic in the logon screen. But I don't know how to fix the Original 11.04 side. How do I fix Compiz desktop cube?
[12:25] <Jubei_> anybody know what these "none" mounts are? http://codepad.org/BPo4c1Ig
[12:27] <joseph_> bellony
[12:28] <wh1zz0> Hi guys, Anytime I' trying to install mediubuntu keyring so I can play some video formats with the default player (i.e using this tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu) BUT when I issue the first command in the terminal I keep getting this error and it's killing me: Reading package lists...... I've googled and googled and googled but I keep getting conflicting solutions and none has worked so far, please how can I solve thi
[12:28] <Cyrax5> th0r Damn just when I thought we had it all sown up. When you import the pdf into gimp you can either have each page as a layer or seperate image. I did it as layers. When I print it to a pdf though it only displays the first layer.
[12:28] <wh1zz0> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A78B3D9410394F73
[12:29] <th0r> Cyrax5: that I believe is a function of gimp...I have only toyed with it and can't help much there.
[12:30] <yeats> snufft: try 'nslookup mail.google.com' from the terminal
[12:31] <tim167> hello, I'm running ubuntu 10.10, is it safe to allow update manager to Upgrade to ubuntu 11 ?
[12:31] <yeats> tim167: if you're data is backed up, all should be fine
[12:31] <yeats> s/you're/your/
[12:31] <tim167> yeats: so actually I'll take that as a "no it's not safe" ?
[12:31] <snufft> yeats: it's resolving to googlemail.l.google.com fine :S
[12:32] <yeats> tim167: that's not what I said
[12:32] <Defusal> Hi everyone, i get some sort of disk error screen when i boot off my ubuntu cd, is it likely the cd didnt burn correctly?
[12:32] <piotr__> g
[12:33] <yeats> snufft: that seems to limit the problem to the browser(s) - maybe a cache issue?
[12:34] <tim167> has anyone here done an upgrade of ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 successfully ?
[12:34] <yeats> tim167: update manager works well most of the time - I just always caution people to back up before upgrading (period)
[12:34] <io> tim167: yes. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades#Upgrade_from_10.10_to_11.04
[12:34] <Polah> tim167: Yes it's fine to do so. But, you may want to back up your data just in case something goes wrong.
[12:34] <E3D3> Can I savely remove gnome-keyring deamon & seahorse if I don't store passwords ?
[12:35] <io> Polah: backing up data before upgrading from <any version> to <any version> is always a good idea ;-)
[12:35] <Tharlinn> fresh install of xubuntu 11.04, grub wont show menu, doesnt boot into xubuntu. here is my bootinfoscript resulsts: http://pastebin.com/TLtPNWgV    Any help?
[12:36] <tim167> ok thanks everyone!
[12:38] <io> E3D3: it depends on the individual setup. gnome-keyring doesn't just store passwords
[12:40] <E3D3> io: I also don't have encrypted stuff. I have Ubuntu Alternate that setup LVM here real smooth. But also no encryption. Thanks I will look deeper in it.
[12:40] <mel> Hi
[12:41] <Fishman12a> Polah: What is the 'easiest' way to find out exactly what partition grub is on? (Helping that guy out who messed up his grub)
[12:41] <Fishman12a> He has a Win and a Ubu partition
[12:42] <mel> is it true that there is still no easy fix for this mail-notification bug in natty?? I really would like to have working mail-notification with evolution and somehow i find it hard to believe that there is still no update for the mail-notification package? :)
[12:42] <Fishman12a> Confusion on the sdb1 or sdb2 and so on
[12:42] <snufft> yeats: cheers. i've flushed cache in chrome and FF though and no dice :( restarted before this too. no diea what's going on :
[12:43] <Braber02> I'm having trouble getting g15macro to work, I keep trying to run it however it says segmentation fault, should I remove the pacakage and try again?
[12:44] <Polah> Fishman12a: GRUB isn't normally on a partition, it's installed into the MBR of the drive. It will usually be the first drive; the one that is set to be booted from first in the BIOS.
[12:44] <Fishman12a> Polah: Usually that would be sda1 though? Or it can vary?
[12:45] <Tharlinn> ah thanks Polah and Fishman12a
[12:45] <BlueWolf> I have just installed Ubuntu 11.04 on my laptop, Upgraded and installed afew programs. When I tried to get compiz, desktop cube working the tool bars on my desktop disappeared. So I restarted and went into the ubuntu classic in the logon screen. But I don't know how to fix the Original 11.04 side. How do I fix Compiz desktop cube?
[12:45] <Polah> Fishman12a, /dev/sda, not sda1. sda1 would be the first partition. sda is the entire device
[12:45] <Tharlinn> i selected in my xubuntu install to put grub on mbr of /dev/sda, but when i booted that no dice, went straight to win7.
[12:46] <Tharlinn> so switched to boot from /dev/sdc first, but bootinfoscript says no grub on there
[12:46] <Tharlinn> what should i do? reinstall with grub on /dev/sdc, or fix that grub shows on /dev/sda?
[12:46] <Polah> Tharlinn: Your GRUB may be set to go to Windows 7 first automatically rather than Xubuntu. Hold shift during boot and see if Xubuntu is in the list given to you
[12:46] <Tharlinn> thanks will try that!@
[12:46] <Tharlinn> hold on
[12:49] <Tharlinn> holding shift does nothing, straight to win7
[12:50] <Polah> Tharlinn: You have multiple drives, correct? And your BIOS is set to go to the first, sda?
[12:51] <Tharlinn> Yes
[12:51] <Tharlinn> and yes
[12:51] <Polah> Tharlinn: Change your boot order to boot the drive with Xubuntu on it first, then see if that gets you in. Then, run update-grub
[12:52] <Tharlinn> Polah, the drive with Xubuntu on it is /dev/sdc, and that hasnt got Grub on it as far as the bootinfoscript shows right?
[12:53] <yeats> snufft: maybe try another browser - maybe midori or even lynx (terminal based)?
[12:53] <wh1zz0> Hmmm
[12:54] <E3D3> BlueWolf: I'm a noob and if I don't find a clue than sometimes I just reinstall & hope that it won't save its bad configuration. I'm sorry. Good luck.
[12:55] <E3D3> BlueWolf: I mean reinstall Compiz not Ubuntu :-)
[12:55] <Tharlinn> Polah: no luck. It only shows my bios, then my raid setup and then a black screen with a flickering underscore. No grub, no xubuntu boot
[12:55] <merakli> hey all
[12:55] <Tharlinn> (when booting from /dev/sdc)
[12:57] <Tharlinn> Oh Polah left..
[12:57] <Tharlinn> Anyone else that can help with my grub problems?
[12:58] <[Ex0r]> okay, could somebody here direct me to the CORRECT way to install ATI drivers on ubuntu?
[12:58] <smw> !anyone | Tharlinn
[12:58] <Tharlinn> Oh excuse me smw. Lets me rephrase
[12:58] <Tharlinn> fresh install of xubuntu 11.04, grub wont show menu, doesnt boot into xubuntu. here is my bootinfoscript resulsts: http://pastebin.com/TLtPNWgV    Any help?
[12:58] <amin`> hi guys could i use GDM themes like this http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Akumin+GDM+-+smleimberg?content=102828 for GDM3 or gdm3 just uses te wide system GTK themes?
[12:58] <amin`> if yes how?
[12:58] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: this isn't the place for your distro, you've been told that, you're not using ubuntu
[12:59] <[Ex0r]> It IS ubuntu
[12:59] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: it is not and you've been told this is not the channel that's why we moved to ##linux
[13:00] <[Ex0r]> I asked in here, because the back-end of it is still ubuntu. Every installation, apt-get, etc uses UBUNTU repositories more-so than it uses standard linux repositories.
[13:00] <BlueWolf> I have just installed Ubuntu 11.04 on my laptop, Upgraded and installed afew programs. When I tried to get compiz, desktop cube working the tool bars on my desktop disappeared. So I restarted and went into the ubuntu classic in the logon screen. But I don't know how to fix the Original 11.04 side. How do I fix Compiz desktop cube? And the other thing it keeps doing is freezing, and it's doing it alot, how do I fix it?
[13:00] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: please don't continue to ask for support in here - it's not ubuntu and it's not supported in this channel ##linux is the best place, as discussed before
[13:00] <smw> Tharlinn, what is booting? ubuntu?
[13:01] <smw> Tharlinn, is windows booting?
[13:01] <Tharlinn> smw: when i boot /dev/sda it boots win7, when i boot /dev/sdc it doesnt boot anything, neither does it show grub. just show a black screen with a flickering underscore
[13:02] <[Ex0r]> ikonia- I understand that, but I don't understand how it's not ubuntu just because it has something that auto-boots besides gnome. It uses all of the ubuntu commands, the ubuntu kernel, and the ubuntu repos.
[13:02] <Tharlinn> smw: but grub is installed on /dev/sda but somehow holding shift doesnt put me in grub, it goes straight to win7
[13:02] <Singham> Tharlinn : Ubottu gave you a working link..did you try that ?
[13:02] <Tharlinn> Singham, it didnt?
[13:02] <ikonia> [Ex0r]: the modifications (as we've seen from your problems) make it work in a non-standard way, eg: missing tools such as jockey which are the official/corect tools, hence why it's not supported in here, so please don't ask
[13:03] <Singham> Tharlinn :So try that .....  :)
[13:03] <macer1> What distro is using Ex0r?
[13:03] <Tharlinn> Singham, you make no sense to me?
[13:05] <ikonia> !info linux-image lucid
[13:05] <Pat201> hey everyone, i was curious to try lxde, so i installed it but now im booting veeery slow if i deleted it do you think i would boot faster?
[13:06] <nightquaker> hi all =)
[13:06] <nightquaker> Is it a official Ubuntu help channel? =)
[13:06] <ikonia> nightquaker: correct
[13:06] <Sidewinder1> nightquaker, You in PA?
[13:06] <nightquaker> what mean PA?
[13:07] <Fishman12> Tharlinn: I opened a chat window with you
[13:07] <nightquaker> And also, i have a problem, well, some question about Ubuntu 11.04, can i ask?
[13:07] <Sidewinder1> Otacon22, but Pennsylvania
[13:07] <ikonia> nightquaker: please do
[13:09] <nightquaker> ok, so, when i turning off or restarting my PC, i see a error "dbus main process (466) killed by TERM signal", it's happening after about 1 day after installing and upgrading Ubuntu
[13:09] <ikonia> nightquaker: I wouldn't worry about that
[13:10] <nightquaker> Really? I'm really worry about that because, you know, that error have many variations. From a power management issue to a critical system error
[13:10] <Squeezer> Hello everyone o/
[13:10] <nightquaker> It's depends on number  i guess
[13:10] <ikonia> nightquaker: I really wouldn't worry about it, a termination on shut down is fine
[13:10] <Squeezer> How do I troubleshoot sound in Flash on my ubuntu?
[13:10] <nightquaker> but it's not happened before
[13:10] <Squeezer> no sound in YouTube or Grooveshark
[13:11] <ex0> lol
[13:11] <ikonia> nightquaker: that's fine
[13:11] <ex0> troubleshoot work hardware and peripherals back...
[13:11] <Squeezer> everywhere else sound is OK
[13:11] <nightquaker> well, ok, if you say so, but i will check a system information and also, how i can use a Conky?
[13:11] <Squeezer> like if I listen to an mp3 using a player
[13:11] <ikonia> nightquaker: install conky, configure it, run it
[13:11] <ex0> command "man conky" after installation
[13:12] <ex0> exactly lol
[13:12] <ikonia> nightquaker: there is a good guide on the wiki.ubuntu.com site
[13:12] <nightquaker> thanks, ikonia =3
[13:12] <nightquaker> and ex0 =3
[13:12] <ex0> oh wow
[13:12] <Curseorange> polah you still kicking around?
[13:13] <snufft> yeats: i've noticed that none of the other machines on the network can see this ubuntu box. perhaps it's not browser related?
[13:14] <yeats> snufft: maybe a routing issue?
[13:14] <nightquaker> i installed Conky from software center tho
[13:14] <ikonia> nightquaker: that's fine
[13:15] <nightquaker> And it's listed only in my software center -> installed software, not in software search in Unity
[13:15] <ex0> which linux version are you using
[13:15] <nightquaker> 11.04
[13:15] <ex0> k
[13:15] <ikonia> nightquaker: it's not something you launch like that, if you read the wiki as I suggested it will explain how to use it
[13:15] <auronandace> nightquaker: type conky from a command line
[13:15] <nightquaker> updated 1 day ago
[13:16] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=867076 nightquaker
[13:16] <ex0> ^^ikonia
[13:16] <ikonia> ex0: what ?
[13:16] <bazhang> nightquaker, read that beginners guide to start
[13:17] <nightquaker> ok, thanks =3
[13:17] <ex0> no i was sayin for him to check your post.. is all
[13:17] <ikonia> oh
[13:17] <nightquaker> sorry for my kinda noobiness =3
[13:17] <ex0> np everyones a newb sometime
[13:17] <ex0> or other
[13:18] <Squeezer> OK it is not just sound in flash, but also HTML5. I think there is just no sound in my browsers.
[13:18] <linxeh> what does the option "Basic Ubuntu Server" install on the server install iso?
[13:18] <Squeezer> Chrome and Firefox
[13:19] <ex0> creates a basic server... like it states
[13:19] <linxeh> ex0: which is what ? what packages, how can I find out what it is actually going to install ?
[13:20] <ex0> linexh: you should be able to choose..
[13:20] <ex0> linexh:nby not checking that.
[13:20] <compdoc> linxeh, typically, the server versions have no desktop - command line only
[13:20] <linxeh> ex0: there is a list of options. the first is basic ubuntu server. this is clearly some kind of convenience lumping of packages - I want to know what packages that installs
[13:21] <linxeh> compdoc: I know.
[13:21] <ex0> oh
[13:21] <linxeh> underneath basic ubuntu server there is openssh, dns, lamp etc
[13:22] <linxeh> I'm quite happy with those, I just want to understand what that "basic ubuntu server" means in terms of packages (And hence potential security issues)
[13:22] <zykotick9> linxeh, perhaps someone in the #ubuntu-server channel knows what "basic" installs?
[13:22] <linxeh> zykotick9: good point; I forgot about that channel!
[13:22] <linxeh> thanks
[13:22] <ex0> yes
[13:22] <nightquaker> do i need to exit from Conky to install a temperature monitoring extension?
[13:22] <nightquaker> if so, how i can exit from Conky?
[13:23] <ex0> kill the process
[13:23] <ex0> and start it again
[13:23] <ex0> use the "top" cmd to view
[13:23] <ex0> or ps aux
[13:24] <Peter_Bilt> how to configure internet connection sharing on ubunu?
[13:24] <bastidrazor> nightquaker: if you're editing the .conkyrc all you need to do it write the file and conky will automatically restart.
[13:24] <bastidrazor> !ics > Peter_Bilt
[13:25] <blackgorund> i got a question
[13:26] <BlueWolf> Please can some one help, I have just installed Ubuntu 11.04 on my laptop, Upgraded and installed afew programs. When I tried to get compiz, desktop cube working the tool bars on my desktop disappeared. So I restarted and went into the ubuntu classic in the logon screen. But I don't know how to fix the Original 11.04 side. How do I fix Compiz desktop cube? And the other thing it keeps doing is freezing, and it's doing it alot, how do I fix it?
[13:26] <blackgorund> can anyone help me with css and ie??
[13:27] <nsadmin> blackgorund: #css
[13:27] <Peter_Bilt> this is way to complicated to setup network manager?
[13:27] <zykotick9> BlueWolf, what graphics card are you using?  Usually compiz fails to start, because there isn't 3d support.
[13:27] <nsadmin> and probably #html
[13:27] <blackgorund> nsadmin do you mean a group in irc??
[13:27] <linxeh> ex0, zykotick9: tasksel --task-packages server   did it
[13:28] <nsadmin> (and your page needs to be valid html and css before you ask questions there)
[13:28] <BlueWolf> zykotick9: The Graphic drivers are all fine, it's not that.
[13:28] <linxeh> just for reference :)
[13:28] <tapir> How to mount a cellular phone (to explore his internal memory) in ubuntu, it doesnt automount...
[13:28] <ex0> linxeh: gj
[13:28] <BlueWolf> zykotick9: It's Natty.
[13:29] <ex0> view dmesg
[13:29] <ex0> and see the device
[13:29] <JvA> Hi! If I want to load a module at start (ath9k) with an option (nohwcrypt=1), should I create a file in /etc/modprobe.d and add "options ath9k nohwcrypt=1"?
[13:30] <Luca1> Hi! I just installed KDE on my Ubuntu to try it, but now I cannot login to Unity anymore. I found someone else experiencing the same on askubuntu but no answers. Anyone who can help?
[13:31] <bastidrazor> ex0: try to use the enter key less as punctuation. its hard to keep up with
[13:31] <gentoo-intel> Luca1, thats why they make kubuntu
[13:32] <nightquaker> well, i kinda configured Conky, but it's kinda f*cked up (sorry for this kind of word)
[13:32] <ikonia> nightquaker: control the language
[13:32] <nightquaker> ok
[13:32] <ikonia> nightquaker: if you know it's a bad word, don't use it
[13:32] <Luca1> gentoo-intel: what does that mean? I know it is possible to have all those DE on the same system. The problem is that now selecting unity in gdm it logs in to gnome instead of Unity...
[13:32] <mix22891> hi
[13:32] <ubudog> Hi mix.
[13:33] <mix22891> sudo apt-get install winace -not work
[13:33] <ubudog> What's it give you?
[13:33] <mix22891> or winrar/winzip
[13:33] <nightquaker> but it's kinda annoying, that i can't see all processes in Conky, either no network info and some error in logging section
[13:33] <mix22891> E: Unable to locate package winrar
[13:33] <zykotick9> mix22891, i don't think winace/winrar/winzip are available packages (those are windows programs)
[13:34] <ubudog> @mix22891 Winrar is not available in Ubuntu.  Have you tried the standard Archive Manager?
[13:34] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, unrar does rars
[13:34] <mix22891> it's works
[13:34] <mix22891> no ubudog
[13:34] <mix22891> thats work on debian
[13:34] <ubudog> You can install a 7zip addon for Archive Manager, from the Software Center.
[13:34] <bastidrazor> mix22891: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression may help with what Ubuntu has
[13:34] <ubudog> +1
[13:34] <Fudge> hi got a new acer laptop, bcm 57785 and wireless  i think its 4358. im on a lucid netbook and putting lucid on laptop. can i download the packages on here and install them on laptop?
[13:34] <tapir> Peazip i an option...
[13:35] <bastidrazor> Fudge: yes.
[13:35] <bastidrazor> !offline > Fudge
[13:35] <mix22891> ok 7zip
[13:35] <mix22891> thank you
[13:35] <mix22891> :)
[13:35] <ubudog> Np
[13:35] <ubudog> Available in software center.
[13:36] <Fudge> ill just grab out of cache
[13:36] <modhu7> Hi I got a Asus A43E laptop with the second generation Core i5. Its Graphics and Ethernet card is not being recognized by 11.04. How can I debug and resolve the issues?
[13:36] <mix22891> last time i've upgate to ubuntu 11.11 he freezing all the time
[13:36] <mix22891> ubuntu freezing too much
[13:36] <ubudog> @modhu7, have you installed any drivers?
[13:36] <ubudog> @mix: 11.11?
[13:37] <modhu7> no @ubudog I haven't
[13:37] <mix22891> i mean the last ubuntu
[13:37] <ubudog> @mix: Do you mean 11.10?  11.10 is experimental, it's in development.
[13:37] <ubudog> 11.04?
[13:37] <mix22891> yes
[13:37] <mix22891> the last
[13:37] <modhu7> @ubudog: how do I know which drivers to try and from where do I get the drivers?
[13:37] <ubudog> Hmm... @modhu, do you see anything in Additional Drivers?
[13:37] <mix22891> it's freezing all the time
[13:37] <ubudog> @mix: Did you use Update Manager or a clean install?
[13:38] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, how much ram have you got? and have you tried classic mode?
[13:38] <mix22891> update manager
[13:38] <modhu7> no @ubudog, not at System -> Preference -> HW Drivers
[13:38] <ubudog> Hmm...
[13:38] <Peter_Bilt> someone tell me where the network manager stores its files?
[13:38] <ubudog> Ethernet or wireless card?
[13:39] <ubudog> @modhu
[13:39] <mix22891> i think it's 2Ghz ram
[13:39] <mix22891> i mean
[13:39] <Fuchs> Peter_Bilt: parts in /etc/NetworkManager/, parts in gconf. What are you looking for?
[13:39] <modhu7> @ubudog, strange is that, wireless is working fine :D
[13:39] <ubudog> Weird...
[13:39] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, have you tried the classic mode
[13:39] <gentoo-intel> it might help you neverk no
[13:39] <ubudog> What Ethernet card model do you have?
[13:40] <ubudog> You can find out: lspci
[13:40] <mix22891> to sweich to classic mode?
[13:40] <ubudog> mix, at the  login screen, you have an option at the bottom
[13:40] <mix22891> thanks ubudod
[13:40] <mix22891> ubudog
[13:40] <ubudog> np :)
[13:41] <Peter_Bilt> no etc networkmanager directory
[13:41] <modhu7> Atheros device 1083 (rev c0) @ubudog
[13:41] <mix22891> now thats tells me (cannot open arcive) , this is a zip file
[13:41] <mix22891> i've install 7zip
[13:41] <ubudog> Right click the .zip, select open with "Archive Manager"
[13:41] <ubudog> @modhu7: I'll do a quick search, brb.
[13:42] <mix22891> same error
[13:42] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, im not 100% sure but if you search for file-roller in the software centre, it might come up with addons to download with it underneath it
[13:42] <mix22891> could not create arcive
[13:42] <dr_willis> sounds like it may be a bad archive. or missnamed
[13:43] <ubudog> @modhu7, try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1806056
[13:43] <ubudog> @modhu7, might wanna go to last page.
[13:43] <Peter_Bilt> someone tell me where network manager store its files( its not /etc/network
[13:43] <mix22891> file-roller is installed already
[13:44] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, yes its default, but osmetimes you can install extra addons eg rar and zip if you search for it
[13:44] <modhu7> @ubudog, checking...
[13:44] <ubudog> @Peter_Bilt: /etc/NetworkManager/
[13:44] <ubudog> Capital N and M
[13:44] <Peter_Bilt> no
[13:44] <mix22891> gentoo-inte: where are the addons are at?
[13:45] <Peter_Bilt> its not NetworkManager/
[13:45] <ubudog> @Peter_Bilt: You don't see /etc/NetworkManager/?
[13:45] <Peter_Bilt> some idiot use Capitalizing for config directories
[13:45] <nightquaker> can i post a screenshot with my problem of Conky here?
[13:46] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, like i said im not even sure there are, but search for file-roller in software centre and sometimes you can choose addons with tick boxes
[13:46] <auronandace> !screenshot | nightquaker
[13:46] <ikonia> nightquaker: did you follow the guide I gave you and bazhang gave you ?
[13:46] <bastidrazor> nightquaker: yes, there is also a #conky channel
[13:46] <bastidrazor> oh, i missed that. guide giving.
[13:46] <mix22891> gentoo-intel : ok
[13:46] <nightquaker> yep, i followed that guide, installed all dependencies including X,etc.
[13:46] <ubudog> @Peter_Bilt: I'm not making that decision, that's how nm was made.  That's the config dir.  NetworkManager.
[13:46] <ikonia> nightquaker: you already had X installed
[13:46] <nightquaker> yep
[13:46] <ikonia> nightquaker: if you're using a desktop that's already there
[13:46] <ikonia> nightquaker: right, so you didn't install X
[13:47] <nightquaker> well, i installed X actually
[13:47] <ikonia> nightquaker: how ?
[13:47] <nightquaker> or updated it if so
[13:47] <ikonia> nightquaker: you where already running it
[13:47] <ubudog> I agree it's kind of silly using caps... however that's how it is.
[13:47] <mix22891> ok there is a RAR
[13:47] <zerkms> hi there
[13:47] <ubudog> Hey @zerkms
[13:47] <zerkms> guys, I have ssh main process (4695) terminated with status 255 on my ubuntu server
[13:47] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, just tick the ones you want if theyre not  already ticked
[13:47] <zerkms> got it after attempt to move sshd from 22 to 2222
[13:47] <wh1zz0> Okidoki.. thanks for the silence.. At least it made me think... "sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com A78B3D9410394F73" = problem solved.
[13:47] <[diablo]> afternoon all
[13:47] <zerkms> currently it just doesn't start :-S
[13:48] <mix22891> do i need to restart?
[13:48] <nightquaker> i installed X using this sudo apt-get --assume-yes install libxext-dev lm-sensors
[13:48] <zerkms> changed back to 22 in sshd_config with no help
[13:48] <ubudog> @modhu7: Did it work?
[13:48] <mix22891> maby the file is broken
[13:48] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, no
[13:48] <[diablo]> guys, is anyone running chrome here? I just updated with apt-get and got " files list file for package `liblwres60' contains empty filename"
[13:48] <mix22891> could not open the file
[13:48] <[diablo]> anyone having the same issue?
[13:48] <shane__> hey all, does anyone know what the best local mail server would be for ubuntu
[13:48] <nightquaker> and also, can i post a screenshot via imageshack.us? I prefer imageshack
[13:48] <ikonia> shane__: the best one is the best one that you know how to use
[13:49] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, no idea. btw please type the name of the person you're messaging otherwise its hard to reply
[13:49] <shane__> well i guess the easiest to set up :)
[13:49] <modhu7> @ubudog, reading through it, could not find where to download from
[13:49] <mix22891> i need eJay 5 full!!!!!!!!!
[13:49] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, try another rar file maybe to test it
[13:49] <ikonia> shane__: is this going to recieve mail from the public internet ?
[13:49] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, so its a downloaded prog?
[13:49] <mix22891> yes
[13:50] <shane__> not at this stage no just locally
[13:50] <mix22891> gentoo-inte: yes
[13:50] <ikonia> shane__: at some stage in the future ?
[13:50] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, well piracy isnt allowed here lol and im 99% sure it wont work on ubuntu anyway
[13:50] <auronandace> !tab | mix22891
[13:50] <shane__> possibly yes, but for now just for a local network/cms testing etc
[13:50] <mix22891> tab not working
[13:50] <ikonia> shane__: ok, then look on https://help.ubuntu.com there are guides for exim and postfix, both are straight forward
[13:50] <mix22891> here
[13:51] <shane__> ok thanks :)  I
[13:51] <shane__> appreciate the help
[13:51] <ubudog> @modhu7: Sorry, I have to go.  Feel free to send me a PM on Ubuntu Forums, I'm ubudog there too.  :)
[13:52] <mix22891> where i can find "full eJay Techno" please?
[13:52] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, try another rar file, if its some torrented cracked program i doubt youll get help
[13:52] <mix22891> gentoo-intel: this is  1 big file
[13:52] <modhu7> @ubudog, thanks a lot
[13:52] <gentoo-intel> and?
[13:52] <mix22891> could not opened
[13:52] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, are yo using wine?
[13:53] <mix22891> i'm
[13:53] <ikonia> mix22891: are you trying to download ejay techno software ?
[13:53] <mix22891> yes
[13:53] <ssk_the_gr8> hey
[13:53] <gentoo-intel> not allowed
[13:53] <ikonia> mix22891: right - in that case, do NOT ask again,
[13:53] <nightquaker> well, here is the screenshot with Conky problem http://imageshack.us/f/143/conkyq.png/
[13:53] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, youll prob get banned
[13:53] <ikonia> mix22891: this channel is for ubuntu support, not illegal downloading.
[13:54] <ssk_the_gr8> i'm using ubuntu lucid 10.04 , can i upgrade just the ubuntu software center to version 4?
[13:54] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, if you want to pirate software. sort all the problems out on your own
[13:54] <mix22891> oh i'm sorry
[13:55] <gentoo-intel> mix22891, but have you tried another rar file? to check if its the file or not?
[13:55] <ikonia> gentoo-intel: please stop this discussion now
[13:55] <nightquaker> so, what about my Conky problem? Any suggestions how to solve that?
[13:55] <auronandace> mix22891: look for a free open source alternative
[13:55] <gentoo-intel> ikonia, im not talking about piracy.
[13:55] <poison> join #twil
[13:55] <CMoH> hey. how can i stop something started with runsvdir (in my case git-daemon)
[13:55] <ikonia> gentoo-intel: please stop
[13:55] <gentoo-intel> ikonia, im talking about unrar
[13:55] <J4ckals> hello
[13:55] <ikonia> gentoo-intel: I understand that, please stop
[13:56] <gentoo-intel> ikonia, stop what?
[13:56] <ikonia> gentoo-intel: assisting mix22891 to unrar this file
[13:56] <gentoo-intel> ban?
[13:56] <nightquaker> ok, give me a name of Conky channel please =3
[13:56] <gentoo-intel> ikonia, alright
[13:56] <Fuchs> nightquaker: /msg alis list *conky*
[13:56] <ikonia> gentoo-intel: thank you
[13:57] <ssk_the_gr8> i'm using ubuntu lucid 10.04 , can i upgrade just the ubuntu software center to version 4?
[13:57] <ikonia> ssk_the_gr8: no
[13:57] <ssk_the_gr8> why?
[13:57] <ssk_the_gr8> is it not like all the other apps?
[13:57] <ikonia> ssk_the_gr8: because that version is not in 10.04
[13:58] <ikonia> ssk_the_gr8: unless I'm missunderstanding what your asking
[13:58] <gentoo-intel> can you not get it through a ppa?
[13:58] <ikonia> I wouldn't do that
[13:58] <ikonia> I wish people would not point other people blindly at unsupported PPA's
[13:58] <gentoo-intel> i didnt point to a ppa
[13:58] <ssk_the_gr8> like i can upgrade firefox to version 6 ,.... i want to upgrade software center to version4 because i like the features of version 4
[13:59] <ikonia> gentoo-intel: "can you not get it through a PPA" - what is that suggesting
[13:59] <ssk_the_gr8> gentoo-intel: i like the PPA idea
[13:59] <gentoo-intel> ikonia, suggesting that maybe a ppa has it
[13:59] <ssk_the_gr8> but ikonia seems to dislike it :(
[13:59] <ikonia> gentoo-intel: bravo, well done
[13:59] <gentoo-intel> :)
[13:59] <ikonia> gentoo-intel: yes, with no warning that PPA's components are totally unsupported, vary in quality and maintencen
[13:59] <ikonia> just randomly "try a PPA"
[14:00] <gentoo-intel> why you being like this
[14:00] <gentoo-intel> its only software centre
[14:00] <BlueWolf> Is there any simple program in Ubuntu that will allow me to create characters, landscapes etc to make a movie?
[14:00] <ikonia> gentoo-intel: because you are pointing people at potential danger
[14:00] <ikonia> gentoo-intel: software center is critial to ubuntu and linked into many things
[14:00]  * auronandace is glad that somebody else doesn't like the idea of ppa's
[14:00] <ikonia> gentoo-intel: pointing it at a random unsupported upgrade.....doesn't seem clever
[14:00] <dr_willis> assuming there is a ppa for a updated version of  the software center
[14:01] <ikonia> dr_willis: exactly
[14:01] <ikonia> if people can't actually point someone at something - don't do it, randomly saying "look for a PPA" is not good help
[14:01] <dr_willis> I cant imagine what features are so imporntant..
[14:01] <gentoo-intel> lol all I said was "can you not get it through a ppa?"
[14:01] <gentoo-intel> pmt much?
[14:01] <RobinJ_> are the current daily builds of 11.10 safe enough for daily use? or is there a possibility they'll mess up the hardwareN
[14:01] <RobinJ_> ?
[14:01] <nsadmin> isn't software center an alias for apt-get?
[14:01] <auronandace> !11.10 | RobinJ
[14:02] <juboba> how can I prevent gnome-panel from running at startup?
[14:02] <dr_willis> RobinJ_:  mess up the hardware?  cant say ive ever seen that happen. :) except in very very specilized cases.
[14:02] <ikonia> gentoo-intel: stop it, your advice is not helping, think about what you offer people as advice, if that guy goes off, finds a random PPA, upgrades software cener and his whole OS is broke, its this channels fault.
[14:02] <juboba> I've tryied everything I've found
[14:02] <dr_willis> juboba:  what are you running now exactly?
[14:02] <RobinJ_> dr_willis: 11.04 messed up my battery and that was supposed te be a "stable" build >.<
[14:02] <juboba> dr_willis, awn
[14:02] <dr_willis> juboba:   i ment what version of ubuntu/desktop.
[14:02] <juboba> dr_willis, ohh, Ubuntu 10.04 desktop
[14:03] <Curseorange> Anyone able to assist me fix my grub?
[14:03] <dr_willis> You can alwyas set the panel to auto hide in the old gnome.. and move it to the top or side.
[14:03] <nsadmin> RobinJ_, curious, what did it do to your battery?
[14:03] <RobinJ_> ... kill it? xD
[14:03] <juboba> dr_willis, can't I disable it from running?
[14:03] <nsadmin> how did it do that?
[14:03] <RobinJ_> in 2 months time it went from 2 hours to 20 minutes when it is fuully charged
[14:03] <dr_willis> juboba:  its not trivial to do it. so i never bother.
[14:04] <ssk_the_gr8> dr_willis: i want the size of each app ( as i'm on a very slow internet connection) + i'd like to see the average rating + comments
[14:04] <juboba> dr_willis, wow
[14:04] <dr_willis> Power ussage in 11.10 has increased/battery life is shorter.. :) i hear.
[14:04] <ssk_the_gr8> gentoo-intel: i'm not looking for PPA... so is there no solution?
[14:04] <nsadmin> juboba: you could run something other than gnome
[14:04] <RobinJ_> and 11.04 crashed, so i'm running of a live cd now.... wich is worse than the beta of 11.04..... i think it just messed up a cd-rw.... "brasero has closed unexpectedly"
[14:04] <gentoo-intel> apparently not
[14:05] <plouffe> Curseorange, what's wrong with it?
[14:05] <juboba> is it possible to run gnome3 on my ubuntu?
[14:05] <Curseorange> Well i installed linux then windows7 a while back
[14:05] <juboba> I mean, is it available on repos?
[14:05] <Curseorange> Messing it up
[14:05] <juboba> I tried it on my Frugalware box
[14:05] <Curseorange> been living knowing how many clicks with the arros to get to each partition
[14:05] <gentoo-intel> juboba, apparently it breaks
[14:05] <gentoo-intel> and not supported
[14:05] <auronandace> !gnome3 | juboba
[14:05] <ssk_the_gr8> ikonia: i understand.. PPA's can be bad... but i would love it if i could upgrade just the software center instead of the whole OS :P
[14:05] <dr_willis> juboba:  its   easy to install in 11.10  not so easy in 11.04
[14:05] <RobinJ_> [14:04] <dr_willis> Power ussage in 11.10 has increased/battery life is shorter.. :) i hear. << yeah but that shouldnt mean that it kills my battery in 2 months time. when i first installed 11.04 my battery's capacity was still 92%, and now, almost two months later, it's only 25%
[14:06] <nsadmin> RobinJ_,  so you're complaining that software is screwing up hardware... the -only- way this is possible is if the motherboard has -support- for said destruction
[14:06] <juboba> I see
[14:06] <dr_willis> RobinJ_:  could be you just got a bad battery.
[14:06] <luca> Hi! Is there any way to manually configure gdm?
[14:06] <gentoo-intel> juboba, another distro would be best best for gnome 3
[14:06] <dr_willis> luca:  configure it to do what.
[14:06] <plouffe> Curseorange, do you have a livecd?
[14:06] <RobinJ_> nsadmin: well.... one year with windows7 didnt give me any problems (at leats ot related to the battery >.<), 2 months with ubuntu 11.04 killed it
[14:06] <juboba> for now I just want to remove gnome-panel
[14:07] <luca> dr_willis: choosing Ubuntu is not logging me in with Unity anymore. It always logs in with Gnome. Can I manually fix this?
[14:07] <plouffe> you can mount the partition with grub on it, then chroot and run an update-grub
[14:07] <plouffe> from livecd
[14:07] <gentoo-intel> RobinJ_, the current kernels kill bettery apparently
[14:07] <dr_willis> luca:  log out, selexct the unity desktop. log back in.. it will then be the default
[14:07] <nsadmin> RobinJ_, the ubuntu was after the windows or before?
[14:08] <dr_willis> luca:  or does both entrys to go gnome classic?
[14:08] <RobinJ_> .... WHAT? why do they even release the kernel if it kills batterys?! are they that incompetent?
[14:08] <luca> dr_willis: all goes to classic gnome, yes.
[14:08] <RobinJ_> nsadmin: after, though i ran 10.10 for a while before windows7
[14:08] <gentoo-intel> RobinJ_, its been going on for a few kernels now
[14:08] <luca> dr_willis: nothing logs me in with Unity anymore after I installed KDE. The rest is ok.
[14:08] <plouffe> Curseorange, it will rewrite grub to the MBR
[14:09] <ssk_the_gr8> RobinJ_: it does not actually kill the battery... but the kernel's are a powerhog
[14:09] <RobinJ_> gentoo-intel: ... so they released a kernel wich kills your battery..... this makes windows look like the best os ever.... -.-
[14:09] <dr_willis> luca:  as a test. try making a new user. see if it works for them. also check what your .dmrc file has in it.
[14:09] <Aleksander> Hello. On Ubuntu 11.04 i386 my sound applet is grayed out and it doesn't work no matter how many times I restart. What can I do to restore it? Should I restart pulseaudio? How can I do that?
[14:09] <gentoo-intel> RobinJ_, theyre sorting it apparently
[14:09] <RobinJ_> Aleksander: try running "sudo pulseaudio" in a terminal
[14:09] <nightquaker> well, can i post a Conkyrc here?
[14:09] <RobinJ_> i hope so
[14:09] <nightquaker> my Conkyrc
[14:10] <Aleksander> E: core-util.c: Home directory /home/user not ours.
[14:10] <nsadmin> RobinJ_, oh, you're comparing operating systems, never mind, I'm out of this conversation
[14:10] <jpmh> I have a netbook that I often use with an exteral monitor - when using in this mode I want to close the lid - how do I tell the system to do NOTHING when I close the lid - the choices are Hibernate, shutdow, etc - none of these work
[14:11] <sattu94> nightquaker: you could try asking at #conky.
[14:11] <nightquaker> i tried, but they seems like afk
[14:12] <Aleksander> brb, let's try something else...
[14:12] <danny_> msg nickserv register<PHONE_NUMBER><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:12] <luca> dr_willis: .dmrc file says Session=kde-plasma now.
[14:12] <gentoo-intel> ^^
[14:12] <gentoo-intel> thanks
[14:12] <ant13> hi everyone, i'm in the process of installing ubuntu on my mac and I noticed i need refit, i also saw its available in ubuntu repos but the files the repo version installs and the files I'd get downloading it from sourceforge are different (.efi files are different checksum) does anyone know what the cause would be? hopefully I'm not in the wrong place
[14:12] <Tharlinn> question: i think something went wrong with my xubuntu 11.04 installation. It failed to launch grub/ failed to boot entirely. Now i am in that installation for the first time with supergrub2disk, and my /home/vincent/ is empty.
[14:12] <nightquaker> i posted my Conkyrc on #conky channel, but still no responce
[14:12] <grantly> can I ask here for help?
[14:12] <gentoo-intel> danny_, should always do that in the freenode window not in channel
[14:13] <auronandace> !ask | grantly
[14:13] <grantly> thanks auronadace
[14:13] <auronandace> np
[14:13] <danny_> im new
[14:13] <danny_> :)
[14:13] <danny_> where ?
[14:13] <grantly> I am trying to install the newest ubuntu
[14:13] <danny_> shoud i do ?
[14:14] <gentoo-intel> danny_, well i'd change your password
[14:14] <grantly> having troubles with the cd version and the web down load installer
[14:14] <sattu94> nightquaker: you could but make sure you pastebin it.
[14:14] <nightquaker> yep, sure, pastebin
[14:14] <grantly> I am trying to install it on a xp machine as a duel boot type setup
[14:14] <ssk_the_gr8> Should i try the daily builds PPA of ubuntu software center? will it install beside the old software center or replace it?
[14:14] <nightquaker> http://pastebin.com/Nrv533Au here it is
[14:14] <grantly> but it keeps falling over and stopping
[14:15] <auronandace> ssk_the_gr8: that will break your system
[14:15] <grantly> on the install while windows is running I have the log
[14:15] <ssk_the_gr8> auronandace: :(
[14:15] <grantly> comes up wiht a error that I don't have persmission but I am a admin
[14:15] <ssk_the_gr8> auronandace: will it replace the old software center?
[14:15] <auronandace> ssk_the_gr8: i assume so
[14:16] <grantly> not sure of the issue?
[14:16] <ssk_the_gr8> ssk_the_gr8: i just want to be able to see the size of the software i want to download in ubuntu software center, is there any way to find this out before i download it ?
[14:17] <ssk_the_gr8> I'm on lucid
[14:17] <grantly> I have zone alarm installed but set it to game mode
[14:17] <grantly> I have avg but had it disabled
[14:18] <auronandace> ssk_the_gr8: not sure via software centre, but you can do it on website or even on irc
[14:18] <auronandace> !info firefox lucid | ssk_the_gr8
[14:18] <auronandace> ssk_the_gr8: see the size there?
[14:18] <lpz> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ - EVERTON - WIGAN
[14:18] <luca> dr_willis: creating a new user says me I don't have the hardware required to run Unity.
[14:18] <lpz> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ - EVERTON - WIGAN
[14:19] <warfaren> hi.. i am running 11.04 amd64 and i just ran the update manager. it installed lots of updates and after reboot i can't boot again
[14:19] <poison> im getting this error while trying to update natty
[14:19] <poison> http://imagebin.org/172832
[14:20] <warfaren> it updated my kernel but the old ones doesn't work either
[14:20] <grantly> any suggestions? The machine is a athlon 3200 single core. Has 3 gig ram and 30+ gb hd
[14:20] <ssk_the_gr8> auronandace: i do the website thing currently, but it is very irritating visiting each website, what's the point of the software center then?
[14:20] <warfaren> i get the loading dots but then i freeze at black sreen and never get to the login.
[14:20] <poison> warfaren: it happen with me too
[14:20] <warfaren> ctrl+alt+f1 doesnt work either
[14:20] <warfaren> hm ok
[14:20] <ssk_the_gr8> !info firefox
[14:20] <auronandace> ssk_the_gr8: i've never used the software centre (i use synaptic)
[14:21] <ssk_the_gr8> auronandace: thanx for the irc tip, so can i use this command in any channel or only in ubuntu channel?
[14:21] <auronandace> ssk_the_gr8: you'd have to add lucid at the end, otherwise it shows the latest releases repo (natty)
[14:21] <poison> can anyone help me with the update manager issue?    http://imagebin.org/172832
[14:22] <auronandace> ssk_the_gr8: i'd open a chat with ubottu, that way you won't disturb the channel
[14:22] <grantly> bump?
[14:22] <auronandace> ssk_the_gr8: /msg ubottu bot
[14:23] <auronandace> ssk_the_gr8: then type the commands to ubottu
[14:23] <ant13> hi everyone, i'm in the process of installing ubuntu on my mac and I noticed i need refit, i also saw its available in ubuntu repos but the files the repo version installs and the files I'd get downloading it from sourceforge are different (.efi files are different checksum) does anyone know what the cause would be? hopefully I'm not in the wrong place
[14:24] <grantly> sorry to disturd... many thanks for listening
[14:24] <ssk_the_gr8> auronandace: thanx a lot, i'm willing to live with this temporary solution
[14:24] <auronandace> ssk_the_gr8: no worries :)
[14:24] <Singham> poison : have you checked http://blog.justindorfman.com/2011/09/how-to-fix-not-all-updates-can-be.html
[14:24] <warfaren> can you accelerated h264 with ati gpus on ubuntu?
[14:25] <poison> thank you im checking it
[14:25] <warfaren> 1080p seem too heavy for my cpu alone
[14:26] <JohE61i> hi
[14:26] <warfaren> hi
[14:26] <dnivra> is there a sound recorder app for ubuntu that doesn't depend on the GUI? I've been able to find only GNOME based ones-I run Kubuntu and there hasn't been much help from the channel.
[14:27] <JohE61i> I'm trying to make a persistent USB flash drive to use with a LiveCD using this tutorial
[14:27] <JohE61i> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence
[14:27] <JohE61i> but I have to press F6 when in boot menu to write "persistent" in there to make it work
[14:27] <JohE61i> but the new ubuntu doesnt have that Other options (F6) when in boot menu
[14:28] <JohE61i> how do i set it as a boot parameter then ??
[14:28] <JohE61i> 'persistent'
[14:28] <Singham> !enter | JohE61i
[14:28] <JohE61i> i'm sorry..
[14:28] <JohE61i> I'm trying to make a persistent USB flash drive to use with a LiveCD using this tutorial https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence but I have to press F6 when in boot menu to write "persistent" in there to make it work
[14:28] <JohE61i> but the new ubuntu doesnt have that Other options (F6) when in boot menu, how do i set it as a boot parameter then ?? 'persistent'
[14:30] <davis> hello
[14:30] <plouffe> Curseorange, try this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#ChRoot
[14:30] <davis> is it possible to install a 686 version of the kernel? I see these refs to install this version but I don't see it synaptic.  I just see x86 and pae.
[14:30] <poison> Singham: Thank you! fixed
[14:31] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:31] <auronandace> davis: x86 is 686
[14:32] <davis> auronandace: ok. many thanks.
[14:32] <JohE61i> can anyone help me out too ?
[14:32] <JohE61i> I'm trying to make a persistent USB flash drive to use with a LiveCD using this tutorial https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence but I have to press F6 when in boot menu to write "persistent" in there to make it work
[14:32] <JohE61i> but the new ubuntu doesnt have that Other options (F6) when in boot menu, how do i set it as a boot parameter then ?? 'persistent'
[14:32] <FloodBot1> JohE61i: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:33] <philip_> truexfan81
[14:35] <Fudge> hi whats the url to get broadcom packages for 64bit lucid
[14:35] <Fudge> only have 32bit here
[14:37] <coderarity> anyone know of a my little pony: friendship is magic IRC channel?
[14:37] <warfaren> wtf?
[14:37] <coderarity> meh, meant to ask in #freenode
[14:37] <compdoc> lol
[14:37] <Fudge> how cute
[14:37] <optimus> hello can anyone help me
[14:37] <nightquaker> well, need to reboot
[14:38] <Fudge> optimus  just ask
[14:38] <warfaren> yeah well there are channels for that though? :o
[14:38] <optimus> i'm trying to run a game through wine, however when i click the open with wine, it don't load anything
[14:38] <coderarity> i hope there are channels for that
[14:38] <Fudge> optimus  is the game supported?
[14:38] <optimus> i have tried running it through terminal also
[14:39] <warfaren> k
[14:39] <coderarity> there's forums and videos and music, so there could be a chat channel
[14:39] <optimus> supported with wine?
[14:39] <robertzaccour> how come recordmydesktop isn't smooth and not buggy like camtasia is in windows?
[14:39] <warfaren> what game are you trying to rnu?
[14:39] <xangua> optimus: is that game located on another partition¿
[14:39] <auronandace> !appdb | optimus
[14:39] <optimus> Haunted Halls Green Hills Sanitarium CE
[14:39] <robertzaccour> for some reason no matter what distro I use recordmydesktop doesn't record right
[14:39] <th0r> robertzaccour: because you haven't put out the patches for it yet
[14:40] <optimus> the installation ran fine in wine
[14:40] <optimus> just won't load up when i click the shortcut
[14:40] <robertzaccour> th0r: I'm not too computer intelligent in that aspect.
[14:41] <warfaren> which shortcut? the one in applications > wine > programs?
[14:41] <optimus> no it's just a shortcut in my home folder
[14:42] <Fudge> !broadcom
[14:43] <optimus> :(
[14:44] <optimus> so no one can help?
[14:45] <wntyygtwxf> hi
[14:45] <TheEvilPhoenix> optimus:  it wont run from the desktop ever.
[14:46] <TheEvilPhoenix> optimus:  you need to know the name of the program, then open the dash, and start typing the name
[14:46] <optimus> why?
[14:46] <TheEvilPhoenix> the system will eventually find it
[14:46] <optimus> dash?
[14:46] <TheEvilPhoenix> optimus:  if you arent using unity, then its under Programs > Wine > etc.
[14:46] <optimus> i'm using crunchbang
[14:47] <th0r> optimus: this is a shortcut to a program running under wine?
[14:47] <optimus> no its an os
[14:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> optimus:  well then you're in the wrong channel
[14:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> this is #ubuntu support
[14:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> not crunchbang
[14:47] <rapage> I have a problem with my screen resolution the maximun detected is 800 x 600
[14:47] <auronandace> !derivatives | optimus
[14:47] <rapage> I used cvt and the desired resolution then added the new mode then I could see it on >preferences > monitors but it gave me an error
[14:47] <optimus> well no one in the #! server is responding
[14:47] <optimus> and its just a problem in wine
[14:48] <auronandace> optimus: then ask in #winehq
[14:48] <bagels> Every time I run Wine-installed programs, all it gives me is that the program  "has encountered a serious problem and needs to close" Why is it like this for every wine prog?
[14:48] <optimus> ok thankyou
[14:48] <Luca> Hi! I made a little bit of a mess in my system. I can't login in Unity anymore because it seems that the glx extension is missing. How can I add it again? I suspect something was changed by KDE.
[14:49] <rapage> I have a problem with my screen resolution the maximun detected is 800 x 600
[14:50] <rapage> my laptop is old from 2001 it's a p3 850mhz
[14:50] <poison> Luca: computer name plz
[14:50] <Luca> poison: what do you mean by computer name?
[14:50] <poison> intel or amd
[14:50] <Luca> poison: intel
[14:51] <bagels> sorry, I got booted.  Anyone know how to fix my Wine problem?
[14:51] <rapage> wine addiction?
[14:51] <bagels> lol
[14:51] <bagels> yes, I'm a wino man
[14:51] <auronandace> !appdb | bagels
[14:52] <poison> Luca: me too faced with the same issue and fixed it...however mine is AMD
[14:52] <bagels> auronandace, I already knew that.  They didn't have anything on it
[14:52] <Luca> poison: how did you do it?
[14:53] <auronandace> bagels: it's a wine problem, not a ubuntu problem, i don't know what you expect us to do
[14:53] <Luca> poison: I suppose I should load the glx extension in xorg.conf, but I can't understand what happened and I noticed ubuntu removed the xorg.conf... so I'm quite puzzled...
[14:54] <bagels> auronandace, just wishful thinking, I guess.
[14:54] <geirha> bagels: Can you repeat the question? I joined ~20 minutes ago and can't see it.
[14:54] <bagels> Every time I try to run a program nowadays, all I get is the program "has encountered a serious problem and needs to close".  Why is that?
[14:54] <bagels> ^geirha ^
[14:55] <Braber01> Hi does anybody have experance with the g15 keyboard in Ubuntu? I keep trying to run g15macro however I keep getting a segmentation fault, could this be because I have to be using a certan shell to use it?
[14:56] <ohkie> hi. i was messing around with the login sessions on my mythbuntu and set xbmc as the "session"... now i cant seem to get back to the desktop. if i close xbmc it takes me back to the login screen for ubuntu. is there a way to fix this? :)
[14:56] <ecstoian> Hi. I have a question regarding the jetty daemon (Java servlet engine and webserver) -- what is it used for by Natty ? Can it be safely disabled ?
[14:57] <geirha> bagels: Ah, yes. Wine keeps evolving, making more and more windows programs runnable, but in the process, other programs stop working.
[14:57] <obert> how should i check and fix my own user chown settings in order to work correctly without have to be super user too often?
[14:57] <geirha> bagels: What's the appdb rating of those programs?
[14:57] <rapage> anyone knows why sometimes when I log off ubuntu the screen gets all messed up with color bars and it appears to have hanged? I'm on a laptop
[14:58] <bagels> geirha, I found some articles that said to delete a certain DX9 file, but I don't have it.  Starcraft 2 is where my problems started.  I think it's rated gold or plat, I forget which.
[14:58] <Brutus-> Hi, iwlist scan says  wlan0 - Failed to read scan data : Network is down. But ifconfig wlan0 up says Operation not possible due to RF-kill. Then i tryed with rfkill unblock all but my wireless device stay hard blocked. What else i can do? Please, help.
[14:58] <BlueWolf> Is there any simple program in Ubuntu that will allow me to create characters, landscapes etc to make a movie?
[14:58] <BlueWolf> Is there any simple program in Ubuntu that will allow me to create 3D characters, landscapes etc to make a movie?
[14:58] <bagels> geirha, After encountering an error in SCII I started getting the same error everywhere else.
[14:59] <auronandace> BlueWolf: blender?
[14:59] <geirha> bagels: Ah. Have you tried grabbing wine from winehq's repositories instead of Ubuntu's?
[14:59] <bagels> geirha, what's the repository? should I completely uninstall, then reinstall?
[15:00] <scarleo> ohkie: when you choose your user on login screen there is an option "Ubuntu" in a dropdown at the bottom
[15:00] <bagels> also I typed in a bit of code that would eliminate that pesky "executable bit" crap.  once I reinstall, will I have to re-enter that?
[15:00] <geirha> bagels: No, though if SC2 triggered it, maybe it removed a file it shouldn't or something like that. You could try installing one of the windows programs that suddenly started failing in a separate wineprefix and see if that works.
[15:00] <scarleo> ohkie: it probably says XBMC right now
[15:01] <bagels> BlueWolf, KToon?
[15:01] <warfaren> hm wtf. rebooted after installing graphics drivers and now i end up in BusyBox?
[15:01] <geirha> bagels: I don't know what that "executable bit" stuff is
[15:01] <bagels> geirha, speaking greek, man.  I'm trying to run a .exe that doesn't even require installation
[15:01] <Doonz> hey can anyone help me out with working with a bash script for uploading pictures to google picasa?
[15:01] <ohkie> scarleo: im running mythbuntu. its got the name of my pc, the user i normally connect with, "other..."  It takes ages to learn, besides the person who wants it does not know vectors. So I was just wondering if there was another simple one?
[15:05] <flirtyguy>  /set net_throttle off
[15:05] <auronandace> organiks: ah, thats a problem
[15:05] <ohkie> scarleo: i think ive got a more restricted view to what you think im seeing? I have a feeling u think im seeing something like: http://ihaveapc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Ubuntu-11.04-Classic-Gnome-Session-001.png ?
[15:05] <geirha> bagels: No, the technical stuff in the error message will tell me nothing. Need to be a wine developer to parse that.
[15:06] <Restricted> oo
[15:06] <bagels> rawr
[15:06] <auronandace> organiks: you might be able to get grub2 to boot the iso file
[15:06] <Brutus-> Hi, iwlist scan says  wlan0 - Failed to read scan data : Network is down. But ifconfig wlan0 up says Operation not possible due to RF-kill. Then i tryed with rfkill unblock all but my wireless device stay hard blocked. What else can i do? Please, help.
[15:06] <organiks> how?
[15:06] <bagels> geirha, so should I put this up on #winehq
[15:06] <auronandace> organiks: not sure how to do that though
[15:06] <bagels> nobody is responding in there
[15:06] <organiks> lol tx
[15:06] <auronandace> !grub2 | organiks
[15:06] <saulotoledo> Some channel to find some testing PPA users?
[15:06] <ikonia> saulotoledo: no
[15:06] <ohkie> scarleo: none of those items at the bottom are there for me. :(
[15:07] <scarleo> ohkie: and you did select the user?
[15:07] <ohkie> yep
[15:07] <auronandace> BlueWolf: no idea, 3d isn't my area of expertise
[15:07] <ohkie> haha
[15:07] <ohkie> but then i realised im an idiot :(
[15:07] <geirha> bagels: With patience, someone might.
[15:07] <auronandace> BlueWolf: if there was a simple one, i'm sure it would be the most popular
[15:07] <ohkie> cheers for your help scarleo.
[15:08] <saulotoledo> ikonia: ty :)
[15:08] <scarleo> ohkie: solved?
[15:08] <organiks> anyone know how to boot an iso in GRUB
[15:08] <BlueWolf> auronandace: Ok, So you don't know of any other program? Kind of like Spore?
[15:08] <ohkie> scarleo: yeah. im looking at a big screen plasma and didnt notice those items appearing at the bottom of the screen.
[15:09] <scarleo> ohkie: Ah, ok :)
[15:09] <geirha> bagels: Since it still didn't work with a fresh wineprefix, I don't think SC2 had anything to do with it.
[15:09] <auronandace> BlueWolf: no i don't
[15:09] <gebbione> hi guys, in Firefox under ubuntu for some reason i can only open a embedded document in the browser but then when i tried to open another one it does not render, is this something you know of and can be fixed?
[15:09] <theadmin> organiks: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/how-to-boot-iso-with-grub2-easy-way.html
[15:09] <usr13> Brutus-: "ifconfig wlan0 up"  will fail if it's alredy up
[15:09] <ohkie> scarleo: dont know if you're much up to resolving audio issues? trying to get the sound thru my hdmi cable.
[15:09] <bagels> geirha, I'm thinking it doesn't, either, every program I try fails.  SCII didn't even finish installing, I got the same error
[15:10] <Brutus-> usr13, i don't remember where but i read was down
[15:10] <organiks> thnx theadmin
[15:10] <usr13> Brutus-: ifconfig   #with no arguments will show network interfaces that are up and running.
[15:10] <warfaren> i can get audio through hdmi cable
[15:10] <warfaren> it wasn't very hard
[15:10] <scarleo> I've done that. In audio preferences select different hardware, you probably have some saying HDMI
[15:10] <BlueWolf> Dose anyone else know of a 3D program the will enable one to create Animation Characters and make a movie?
[15:10] <warfaren> yeah
[15:10] <warfaren> that's how i did it too
[15:10] <theadmin> BlueWolf: Hm, blender?
[15:10] <scarleo> ohkie:  I've done that. In audio preferences select different hardware, you probably have some saying HDMI
[15:10] <geirha> bagels: Then perhaps the "executable bit" hack you were talking about could've triggered it?
[15:10] <theadmin> BlueWolf: I know that some people made movies with that
[15:10] <usr13> Brutus-: Do you have network-manager?
[15:11] <Brutus-> usr13, yes
[15:11] <usr13> try using it
[15:11] <E3D3> BlueWolf: I used raytracing for it (=povray) but since kpovmodeler disappeared from the list, I'm gave up 3D modelling in Linux. Blender don't work for me to
[15:11] <xangua> theadmin: BlueWolf and games ;)
[15:11] <usr13> See what network manager says about available wireless networks, etc.
[15:11] <BlueWolf> theadmin: Ya I know of Blender. I was wondering if there was a simpler one, one that does not use Vectors.
[15:11] <Brutus-> usr13, it says the switch is off
[15:12] <usr13> Brutus-: Is this a laptop?
[15:12] <ohkie> scarleo: is that in xbmc or ubuntu/mythbuntu?
[15:12] <usr13> Brutus-: Turn the switch on.
[15:12] <warfaren> ubuntu
[15:12] <Brutus-> usr13, yes a Samsung N220. I can't turn it on, it doesn't work
[15:13] <bagels> This guy in Winehq just told me to " put the output of mount on pastebin" what, do I just type "mount" in the terminal?
[15:13] <Brutus-> usr13, This is a well-know problem for this netbooks .. :(
[15:13] <jpmh> I wanrt to close the lid on my netbook when I have an external monitor - how do I tell the system that I do not want it to blank screen, shutdown, or do anything else
[15:13] <scarleo> ohkie: in ubuntu
[15:13] <geirha> BlueWolf: What could one use instead of vectors for creating 3d models?
[15:13] <Brutus-> *these
[15:13] <ohkie> i dont appear to have a sound settings section. possibly cause im running mythbuntu?
[15:13] <rapage> anyone knows why sometimes when I log off ubuntu the screen gets all messed up with color bars and it appears to have hanged? I'm on a laptop
[15:13] <warfaren> jpmh: you should be able to set that under power management
[15:13] <BlueWolf> geirha: I don't know thats why I'm asking!
[15:14] <indystorm> hey when is the next lts version for ubuntu desktop?
[15:14] <xangua> !oneiric | indystorm
[15:14] <jrib> !lts | indystorm
[15:14] <theadmin> indystorm: I think that'd be 12.04
[15:14] <xangua> ooh lts
[15:14] <g3nt3lg1ant> bagels: what are you trying to do??
[15:14] <jrib> indystorm: yes, 12.04 as theadmin said
[15:14] <bagels> g3nt3lg1ant, nvm Ifigured it out
[15:15] <majorastro> ok
[15:15] <indystorm> cool thanks- are they going to scrap support for gnome 3 and go back to gnome 2 do you know?
[15:15] <jrib> indystorm: I doubt that...
[15:15] <theadmin> indystorm: No, gnome3 is already the main desktop in Oneric
[15:15] <indystorm> oh god thats terrible- gnome 3 is the worst--- ok--- thanks anyway---
[15:15] <organiks> can i force the grub menu to come on during boot
[15:15] <auronandace> indystorm: gnome2 is no longer supported from 11.10 onwards
[15:16] <theadmin> indystorm: There's a fork of Gnome2 in development, called mate-desktop-environment, but I don't think they make debs yet
[15:16] <jpmh> warfaren: I agree - but the only options offfered there for close lid are blank, shutdown, suspend etc
[15:16] <warfaren> ah yes. that's true
[15:16] <warfaren> i guess i don't know then sorry
[15:16] <theadmin> indystorm: Or, you could always try Xfce, it does give the gnome2 feel
[15:17] <indystorm> ok cool thanks!! I will try it--!!
[15:17] <davis> is it possible to bring up a wpa2 wifi connection without using /etc/network/interfaces and simply using the command line tools?
[15:17] <geirha> indystorm: or lxde
[15:17] <theadmin> davis: wpa_supplicant?
[15:17] <F_Apache> hh
[15:18] <davis> theadmin: never heard of that.  I am having trouble getting my wifi connection working. I can iwlist and I can ifconfig. I want to see if I can figure out why network-manager does not work.
[15:19] <theadmin> davis: It doesn't work because it's network-manager >.<
[15:20] <theadmin> davis: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_Setup#Manual_setup - read this, the wpa/wpa2 part
[15:20] <davis> theadmin: Ok. I have wpa_supplicant installed.  I'll try to read your post. many thanks man.
[15:21] <scarleo> ohkie: you found it?
[15:21] <ben_unity> Hi everyone
[15:21] <theadmin> davis: Be aware that Arch is not Ubuntu though, so don't rely on that wiki *too* much :D
[15:21] <davis> theadmin: ok. will do.
[15:22] <warfaren> does 11.10 also have unity as default?
[15:22] <sinani> hello, gentlemen and ladies.
[15:22] <ohkie> scarleo: nope :( it goes settings manager, acessibility, appearance,desktop,display... but no sound/audio
[15:22] <theadmin> warfaren: Yes.
[15:22] <warfaren> ok
[15:22] <dr_willis> warfaren:  yes its the default from now on  basically
[15:22] <warfaren> right
[15:22] <scarleo> ohkie: right click the speaker symbol on upper right, select prefs and then hardware
[15:23] <ben_unity> I don't get why everyone says that Ubuntu is only for beginners. It is just the Linux Kernel with what ever Canonical added, same as other distros, only different people and companies. Can anyone explain?
[15:23] <dr_willis> unless they chagne their mind
[15:23] <jrib> ben_unity: ask people saying it :/  That's not related to support
[15:23] <warfaren> well i guess it's set up so that lots of user friendly software is included
[15:23] <[diablo]> Hi is anyone having google's Chrome 64 bit update fail on them today please?
[15:23] <ben_unity> Ok, sorry, wrong place to ask it
[15:23] <[diablo]> 14.0.835.163-r101024
[15:23] <warfaren> and it has a good package manager, you dont have to compile so much stuff
[15:23] <ohkie> scarleo: now thats something i noticed before. i dont have a speaker icon. possibly dont have speaker package/drivers installed? or just another symptom of mythbuntu trying to hide stuff from me?
[15:24] <xangua> [diablo] use chromium instead ;) opensource and already on ubuntu repository
[15:24] <The_BROS> Anybody uses Punto switcher analog?
[15:24] <[diablo]> xangua, thats not my question
[15:24] <theadmin> The_BROS: Try xneur
[15:25] <The_BROS> theadmin: best soft for this?
[15:25] <ben_unity> [diablo], what do you mean by 'fail'? Crash the whole program , or did it just stop downloading?
[15:25] <theadmin> The_BROS: The only one I know, to be honest
[15:25] <[diablo]> hi ben_unity
[15:26] <[diablo]> no, upon apt-get dist-upgrade I get the following:
[15:26] <warfaren> what's the best way to change the order of the items in the grub boot menu list?
[15:26] <[diablo]> (Reading database ... 60%dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:
[15:26] <[diablo]>  files list file for package `liblwres60' contains empty filename
[15:26] <scarleo> ohkie: do you have sound?
[15:26] <dr_willis> warfaren:  change which items? you can rename the files in /etc/grub.d/*
[15:26] <scarleo> ohkie: I mean from other than hdmi
[15:26] <warfaren> the operating systems i get to choose between
[15:27] <The_BROS> What is the best soft for making backup in Ubuntu? (settings, data, etc.)
[15:27] <warfaren> let's say i want to place another one on top so it autoboots if i dont touch any keys
[15:27] <ohkie> scarleo: ill plug in some headphones.
[15:27] <dr_willis> warfaren:  that narrows it down to 90% of the entries are there. :) which OS do you want at the top?
[15:27] <dr_willis> !grub2 | warfaren
[15:27] <[diablo]> ben_unity, dunno if google pushed out a broken package
[15:27] <xangua> The_BROS: copy&paste home
[15:27] <warfaren> i don't know yet, just want to mess around with it
[15:27] <auronandace> !backup | The_BROS
[15:28] <dr_willis> warfaren:  read those grub docs then. they explain the config files
[15:28] <warfaren> ok
[15:28] <The_BROS> thanks guys!!!
[15:28] <ohkie> scarleo: yeah. i have audio out of my headphones :)
[15:28] <ben_unity> Might be that it cannot find the right package? I am probably barking up the wrong tree, but try going into synaptic and re installing liblwres60. Or try removing it. If it says it needs to remove other things, don't, but it seems that liblwres60 has been corrupted.
[15:28] <warfaren> aha it moved to etc
[15:29] <scarleo> ohkie: what version *buntu do you have? (uname -r)
[15:29] <[diablo]> ben_unity, actually I had an FS failure yesterday
[15:30] <[diablo]> could be attributed to that
[15:30] <warfaren> -r only gives you the linux kernel version though?
[15:30] <ohkie> 2.6.38-11-generic
[15:30] <ben_unity> Possibly. Try completely removing liblwres60 and reinstall it from the repositories to get it back if it did get corrupted
[15:30] <ohkie> scarleo: 2.6.38-11-generic
[15:30] <rapage> anyone knows why sometimes when I log off ubuntu the screen gets all messed up with color bars and it appears to have hanged? I'm on a laptop
[15:31] <mike-w> hi guys
[15:31] <ooxi> hi, how can i find out which type of ram my system needs? is this doable in software or do i have to open the case?
[15:32] <mike-w> i have a question that how can i examine how much memory a program used?
[15:32] <scarleo> ohkie: do you have indicator-applet-complete installed?
[15:32] <Johnny_Giggles> ooxi: it is do-able in software.  Do you have Windows?
[15:32] <edbian> mike-w: short answer: with gnome-system-monitor or top
[15:32] <ohkie> scarleo: ill try to install it now
[15:32] <edbian> mike-w: long answer: with gdb
[15:32] <ooxi> Johnny_Giggles, no ubuntu 10.04
[15:32] <Johnny_Giggles> There's a program called CPU-Z that is perfect for that sort of thing, ooxi but it's Windows not Linux
[15:33] <ooxi> Johnny_Giggles, i have windows i paralell installation, thanks for the hint
[15:33] <scarleo> ohkie: you are on gnome, not unity, right?
[15:33] <Johnny_Giggles> ooxi: Most people do.
[15:33] <mike-w> edbian, are there any commands like time
[15:33] <Johnny_Giggles> ooxi: That's why I said.  Go to cpuid.com
[15:33] <edbian> mike-w: top is a command
[15:33] <edbian> mike-w: ?
[15:33] <scarleo> ohkie: maybe check for indicator-sound if so
[15:33] <mike-w> edbian, i know that,i will have a try
[15:34] <edbian> mike-w: :)
[15:34] <scarleo> ohkie: not 100% sure which one of them it is :)
[15:34] <mike-w> edbian, thanks
[15:34] <ohkie> scarleo: im pretty sure its gnome yeah. ill install the sound one
[15:34] <compdoc> ooxi, sudo dmidecode --type 17
[15:34] <ohkie> scarleo: its talking about instlaling pulseaudio etc... is that a good thing?
[15:35] <mgaunard_> how does ubuntu automatically mount my extra partitions? I see nothing in /etc/fstab
[15:35] <scarleo> ohkie: hmmm, so you are not running pulse, thats probably a difference with mythbuntu then...
[15:36] <ooxi> compdoc, thanks! damn what i expected 4x2gb intead of 2x4 :-/ but ,,error information handle'' tells me not provided. as far as i know these should be eec. am i misleaded?
[15:36] <ohkie> scarleo: ive read some stuff talking about tweaking the alsa audio etc...
[15:36] <scarleo> ohkie: try indicator-applet-complete, if it depends on pulseaudio
[15:36] <ohkie> scarleo: will do.
[15:36] <scarleo> ohkie: yeah, but you can still have pulseaudio as well
[15:36] <compdoc> ooxi, you think it has ecc ram? is it a server?
[15:37] <Jasonn> I accidentally clicked block this applet when I was running an online java applet, and I dont know how to revert those settings
[15:37] <ooxi> compdoc, no it's de desktop pc. but it has a xeon cpu and tell service tag told me eec (but not the amount of ram and speed etc :-/)
[15:37] <ohkie> scarleo: 152 new packages!
[15:37] <ooxi> *ecc
[15:37] <scarleo> ohkie: probably not a good idea
[15:37] <Fuerte> ciao a tutti
[15:37] <ohkie> scarleo: hmmm
[15:38] <scarleo> ohkie: gotta run, sorry, maybe try the first indicator-sound and install pukseaudio as well, I don't think that would break anything but there might be a difference with mythbuntu
[15:38] <scarleo> ohkie: good luck
[15:38] <compdoc> ooxi, I have ecc ram on a server, and I get error information handle is not provided
[15:38] <ohkie> scarleo: thanks anyway mate.
[15:38] <Fuerte> !list
[15:39] <mike-w> edbian, when i type top,all programs' states are displayed
[15:39] <edbian> mike-w: indeed
[15:39] <ooxi> compdoc, hm ok. is it possible to run a mainboard without ecc ram, if it now has ecc ram installed? or does this depend on the mainboard? because non ecc ram costs like a quarter of ecc ram
[15:39] <mike-w> edbian, but i just want to examine a specific one
[15:39] <compdoc> ooxi, what is Total Width:  ?
[15:39] <ikonia> ooxi: this isn't a hardware channel
[15:39] <edbian> mike-w: oh :P
[15:39] <mike-w> edbian, if i have a program named t
[15:39] <ooxi> compdoc total width is 72bit
[15:40] <ooxi> ikonia, i'm sorry but i didn't know where to ask
[15:40] <mike-w> edbian, how can i see how much mem does it use?
[15:40] <ikonia> ooxi: ##hardware
[15:40] <compdoc> ooxi, thats ecc
[15:40] <bagels> How can I edit fstab to get rid of noexec?
[15:40] <bagels> My mount says this:
[15:40] <bagels> /dev/sda1 on /media/9A50D9BE50D9A175 type fuseblk (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[15:40] <compdoc> Total Width: 64bits is not ecc
[15:41] <ooxi> compdoc thanks :-)
[15:41] <theadmin> bagels: It doesn't sound like it's mounted via fstab
[15:41] <bagels> theadmin, tell me more, guru
[15:41] <theadmin> bagels: "type fuseblk" makes me think it's mounted by FUSE (GNOME?)
[15:41] <edbian> mike-w: ummm, I'm trying to filter ps -eLF | grep t
[15:41] <bagels> theadmin, yes, I'm in gnome.  What's all that mean?
[15:42] <edbian> something like that
[15:42] <edbian> mike-w: look at ps -eLF
[15:42] <mike-w> edbian, oh,you just pick it out,right?
[15:42] <theadmin> bagels: What's the filesystem type on the drive?
[15:42] <bagels> theadmin, ntfs
[15:42] <theadmin> bagels: You'd want to keep noexec then
[15:43] <bagels> theadmin, what if I have .exe files on there I want to run on wine?
[15:43] <edbian> mike-w: yes
[15:43] <mike-w> edbian, thanks
[15:43] <theadmin> bagels: You should copy them over to a Linux partition, mostly. NTFS doesn't handle UNIX permissions properly anywhere.
[15:44] <th0r> bagels: I don't think the exe files have to be on an 'exec' partition...if I remember correctly I used to run them right from C drive when I was dual-booting
[15:44] <bagels> theadmin, I'm still transitioning from windows, and haven't gotten all my things moved over, nor have I reinstalled my programs
[15:45] <bagels> th0r then why won't my exe files work in wine?
[15:45] <th0r> bagels: but if the exe is part of a package with dlls and such then you will have to install it in wine, it won't run from c drive unless it is a standalone exe
[15:45] <organiks> how do i get the grub menu to pop up
[15:45] <bagels> th0r it is standalone
[15:46] <bagels> th0r it worked last week
[15:46] <edbian> organiks: shift
[15:46] <organiks> hold during boot
[15:46] <bagels> th0r but then I used Mount Manager to edit auto-mounting of NTFS and things got screwy.  I want them the way they were
[15:46] <theadmin> organiks: Left shift
[15:47] <th0r> bagels: never used Mount Manager, so don't know what tricks it might try to pull
[15:47] <th0r> bagels: as a test, copy one of the exe files to your home directory and try to run it from there.
[15:48] <bagels> th0r awesome it worked
[15:49] <bagels> Can I copy my files to a FAT32 partition of say... 200GB, or is that too big for FAT32?
[15:49] <savid> Hi, I'm looking into possibly using upstart to manage my website processes (using nginx + gunicorn), but I don't want to have a separate script for each website.  Is it possible to have a single script manage multiple processes based on a given name?
[15:49] <warfaren> hm if you tar something all the files privilegies get included right?
[15:49] <th0r> bagels: the quick and easy solution would probably be to just copy those exe files to the wine c_drive
[15:49] <ikonia> savid: if you can script it, you can do it
[15:49] <mgaunard_> bagels: it's too big for a single file, but not for a partition
[15:49] <bagels> th0r there isn't enough space yet
[15:50] <bagels> mgaunard_, ok so a partition of 200GB is cool then? Is there another filesys that Windows and Linux both like?
[15:50] <savid> ikonia, well, I guess I'm not familiar with how respawn works.  I guess I'm just curious about how I can make it so that it will monitor and respawn individual processes
[15:50] <organiks> i held shift but no luck
[15:50] <mgaunard_> bagels: ntfs
[15:51] <organiks> still boots into ubuntu
[15:51] <savid> ikonia,  at least, just looking for whether or not it's possible or if it's even a good idea.
[15:51] <bagels> mgaunard_, I'm having a lot of problemswith ntfs on my ubu box
[15:51] <ikonia> savid: ahhh, I see what you're saying multiple versions of the same process, how can it monitor ?
[15:51] <mgaunard_> bagels: what kind of problems?
[15:51] <organiks> how can i boot into grub menu during restart
[15:52] <bagels> mgaunard_, my ntfs drive for some reason is noexec and I can't run standalone exe's or install programs to my bigger ntfs partition
[15:52] <OerHeks> organiks, hold left-shift during boot
[15:52] <savid> ikonia,  from my brief research on upstart, that's what I'm assuming the "respawn" option is for
[15:52] <organiks> i did and no grub
[15:52] <organiks> menu
[15:53] <organiks> any other way ?
[15:53] <OerHeks> organiks, then you did not press it long enough
[15:53] <savid> ikonia, http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#respawn
[15:53] <mgaunard_> bagels: you'll have the same problem with fat32
[15:53] <organiks> imma reboot and hold it the hold time
[15:53] <[SPSU]Zach> when i boot from my flash drive to try the demo, i get to the white and black-ish looking part where it gives me the option to try ubuntu or install to drive etc.... will it let me manually choose which drive to install it to?
[15:53] <mgaunard_> bagels: and anyway you can mount the partition so that all files are executable
[15:53] <mgaunard_> bagels: be it fat32 or ntfs
[15:54] <rigved> [SPSU]Zach: yes.
[15:54] <warfaren> ok did a clean install now
[15:54] <bagels> mgaunard_, any way to automate that? I'd love that
[15:54] <[SPSU]Zach> thnk you
[15:54] <warfaren> gonna run update manager the first thing i do
[15:54] <warfaren> hopefully i wont get stuck at a black screen by the time it's done and i rebooted
[15:54] <mgaunard_> bagels: how do you mount your partition?
[15:55] <rigved> [SPSU]Zach: when you reach the partition screen, choose manual partitioning. then you can customize the installation paritions etc.
[15:55] <bagels> i set it up to auto mount with mnount manager, and I want to not do that anymore...
[15:55] <bagels> *Mount manager mgaunard_
[15:55] <mgaunard_> well if you write an entry directly in /etc/fstab
[15:56] <mgaunard_> you have to play with the umask option
[15:56] <mgaunard_> I think it's umask=022 that you want
[15:56] <th0r> bagels: check /etc/fstab and see if there is a line in there for the ntfs drive. If so, that is where you would change the noexec
[15:56] <GRMrGecko> Is there such a thing as a DNS server that does whitelisting?
[15:56] <bagels> th0r fstab just says 0 0 0 0 0 next to all my drives... it's really weird
[15:56] <mgaunard_> 0022
[15:56] <smeca> hello, i've installed rollercoaster tycoon2 on 11.04, but the cdrom is not found on trying to run the game. can anyone help?
[15:57] <bagels> th0r UUID=9A50D9BE50D9A175 /media/9A50D9BE50D9A175 ntfs-3g defaults 0 0
[15:57] <th0r> bagels: is that all? each line should end with just two zeros (0 0)
[15:57] <gentoo-intel> smeca, not sure. maybe there is a nocd patch
[15:57] <al3x> smeca: find a "no cd patch"
[15:57] <smeca> ok i'll try that thanks
[15:57] <th0r> bagels: yeah...that is ok...or should be...I don't know what this Mount Manager is doing
[15:57] <gentoo-intel> smeca, http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_rollercoaster_tycoon_2.shtml
[15:57] <bagels> th0r but Mount says "/dev/sda1 on /media/9A50D9BE50D9A175 type fuseblk (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096)"
[15:58] <rigved> th0r: that is for dump and pass, afaik. you can set it to 0 1 if you want the partition to be mounted late
[15:58] <th0r> rigved: yeah....those two digits control fsck checks too I think...but 0 0 is normal for most partitions
[15:59] <mgaunard_> /dev/sdb1    /path_to/mount_point    ntfs-3g    uid=suzette,gid=users,umask=0022    0 0
[15:59] <rigved> th0r: yes.
[15:59] <malac0da13> i installed ubuntu 11.04 twice today on the same computer with the same disk...first time it installed the drivers for my video card it seemed and second time it didnt...how does this happen lol
[15:59] <savid> for example,  for example, if my upstart service is called "website",  I would want:  "service website www.example.com start",   and I would want upstart to be able to monitor and respawn that individual process for that website separately.
[15:59] <bagels> mgaunard_, was that for me?
[15:59] <GRMrGecko> Is what I'm asking for not existing?
[16:00] <bagels> GRMrGecko, I've never heared of it, but google is your friend.
[16:00] <rigved> GRMrGecko: you should ask in #ubuntu-server for DNS related stuff
[16:00] <The_BROS> How to avoid the underlining of the English words?
[16:00] <GRMrGecko> bagels: All I find is stuff for DNSWL which is spam email related
[16:01] <th0r> GRMrGecko: or watch #debian, where you crossposted and got an answer
[16:01] <zul__> anybode could help me in the upgrade of rails 3.0 up to 3.1 in my ubuntu 10.04 system?
[16:01] <Tharlinn> okay, i finally got a working xubuntu installation working, but now grub doesnt show my win7 installation anymore. any way of getting that back in there again? here is a pastebin of my bootinfoscript http://pastebin.com/sbDf6drq
[16:02] <Tharlinn> It also seems as though rescatux made a lot of pretty weird extra drives (/dev/wrapper/..) and i think those might cause problems
[16:02] <bagels> th0r I want to get rid of the noexec though
[16:03] <The_BROS> How to avoid the underlining of the orthography of the English words?
[16:04] <th0r> bagels: try editing /etc/fstab per the line posted by mgaunard_ but change your uid to your username
[16:04] <th0r> bagels: you can 'store' the old line by adding a '#' to the beginning, making it a comment
[16:04] <raven_> zynaddsubfx: [ERROR]: LV2: Failed to instantiate plugin http://home.gna.org/zyn/zynadd/1 - ubuntu 10.04 lts ardour 3.0a
[16:05] <bagels> th0r working...
[16:06] <LynxSpark124> hi
[16:06] <th0r> bagels: once you have it changed, you can simply 'sudo umount /dev/sda1' and then 'sudo mount /dev/sda1' and it should remount with the new permissions
[16:07] <bagels> th0r mgaunard_ made it sdb1 is that ok?
[16:07] <paulina> ej?
[16:07] <th0r> bagels: no, that needs to match your drive, which you said was /dev/sda1
[16:07] <paulina> jesteś ?
[16:08] <paulina> daniel ?
[16:08] <bagels> th0r can i change the name of the drive from /media/9A50D9BE50D9A175 to like, /media/CDRIVE ?
[16:08] <sterna> oh yeah
[16:08] <paulina> o co w tym chodzi ?
[16:08] <ecstoian> Hi. My fonts seem to appear a bit ugly on some sites I visit with Firefox. Is there any font package or tweak I can install/use to make the fonts beautiful ? Here is a screenshot of mine: http://ompldr.org/vYWU1ZQ/ubuntu1104
[16:08] <sterna> where do i buy?
[16:08] <th0r> bagels: you would need to first create the mount point, then you could mount to it
[16:08] <th0r> bagels: it is just a folder someplace
[16:08] <bagels> ok
[16:08] <ikonia> sterna: buy what ?
[16:08] <sterna> sorry
[16:09] <bagels> soooo after i edit this th0r can you teach me how to do that
[16:09] <sterna> totally missed the window
[16:09] <paulina> what your name ?
[16:09] <gentoo-intel> ecstoian, your fonts look good there
[16:09] <th0r> bagels: I am running out of time, but I am sure someone here can
[16:10] <ecstoian> gentoo-intel: the fonts for the Google links on the left and for the black bar of links at the top look much better on Windows. Any idea why ? I do have the Microsoft fonts installed in my Natty.
[16:10] <bagels> mgaunard_, th0r that helped, I can run exe files now
[16:11] <bagels> Does anyone know how to change my mount point's folder name? mine is currently /media/9A50D9BE50D9A175 and that's difficult to remember
[16:11] <th0r> bagels: then make a folder in /media....call it whatever you want, then change /etc/fstab to /media/whatevername
[16:11] <gentoo-intel> ecstoian, they look very fine to me. you could maybe try uninstalling the microsoft fonts, but i think a couple of apps may need them
[16:11] <Myrtti> !pl | paulina
[16:11] <bagels> th0r do i rename the current folder, then remount it?
[16:11] <zus> is anyone using the 3.0 kernel, and are able to disable tap to click on the track pad?
[16:12] <th0r> bagels:  would be better to just create a new one. Not sure what Mount Manager did or didn't do
[16:12] <ikonia> zus: the 3.0 kernel is not currently supported with ubuntu releases so it's doubtful people are using it
[16:12] <bagels> th0r if I make a new folder what happens to the old one
[16:12] <bagels> th0r is there stuff in that folder?
[16:12] <rypervenche> zus: I've got it but not on Ubuntu. I haven't tried to enable the disabling of trackpad though.
[16:13] <th0r> bagels: either it will sit unused or be deleted by Mount Manager. And no, there isn't anything there unless the drive is mounted to it
[16:13] <bagels> oh cool.
[16:13] <bagels> tyvm th0r
[16:13] <kenjin2201> You can turn off the system after some time using "shutdown". Is it also possible to "suspend" after some ?
[16:13] <zus> ikonia,  rypervenche  thanks...
[16:14] <th0r> bagels: once you are sure the drive is properly mounted to the new mount point, and has survived a total reboot, you can delete the old mount point if you like
[16:14] <zus> where can i go for 3.0 kernal questions?
[16:14] <zus> kernel**
[16:14] <waperboy> I have a little cunundrum
[16:14] <BluesKaj> zus, you can upgrade to 11.10 if youwant to use the 3.0 kernel
[16:15] <bagels> th0r that worked
[16:15] <bagels> will reboot now
[16:15] <Tharlinn> Alright, another go: installed win7 first, then xubuntu 11.04, grub loads, shows xubuntu, doesnt show win7. xubuntu boots fine. pastebin with bootinfoscript here http://pastebin.com/sbDf6drq any help?
[16:15] <BluesKaj> zus, but be warned, it's beta
[16:16] <waperboy> a couple of years back, I modified some files so that my keyboard keys 'scroll lock' and 'pause' are mapped to volume decrease/increase respecively. I can't for the life of me find which files
[16:16] <zus> BluesKaj,  yeh im waiting for release.
[16:18] <Kage> everyone... I found a awesome command
[16:18] <Kage> sudo chmod a-x $(which chmod)
[16:18] <ikonia> Kage: do not post silly things like that
[16:18] <ikonia> Kage: changing hte permissions on chmod is not something to randomly suggest
[16:19] <DangerOnTheRangr> It can really mess up your Ubuntu install
[16:19] <ikonia> !danger
[16:19] <mgaunard_> Kage: how is that awesome
[16:19] <macer1> !danger | Kage
[16:19] <ikonia> mgaunard_: drop it, it's not good and he's been told not to do it
[16:20] <mgaunard_> well I guess the workaround could be complicated
[16:20] <ikonia> Kage: please check your private messages
[16:21] <waperboy> I spent many hours to find out how to change keyboard mappings, and now I've forgotten - what a drag
[16:21] <zus> thanks again
[16:21] <jpmh> somehow I have managed to create a sitation by which /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda5 are both mounted as / when I boot.  I do not believe that there is anything that I want on /dev/sda2 - how do I unmount it
[16:22] <macer1> ouch
[16:22] <waperboy> jpmh, not possible - there must be some misunderstanding
[16:22] <organiks> can i resume a ssh session?
[16:22] <jpmh> waperboy
[16:23] <th0r> waperboy: usually use xev to determine the keycodes, then map the new definitions using ~/.Xmodmap
[16:23] <jpmh> waperboy: why do you say that gparted etc show that they are both mounted as that and do not let me unmount
[16:23] <waperboy> jpmh, if both are mounted as / - which is your root?
[16:23] <ikonia> organiks: you can use tools, such as screen, but you can't resume an ssh connection directly
[16:24] <macer1> Is dpkg-reconfigure chmod or something like that can recover from chmod -x?
[16:24] <edbian> jpmh: You cannot unmount partitions that are root.  you can edit /etc/fstab to prevent it from being mounted as root again
[16:24] <macer1> I mean, chmod -x chmod
[16:24] <edbian> macer1: stop that
[16:24] <kristopher> There is no easy way to flash a freking bios via Linux Dos 7.1 on my USB worked great for the netbook which was a plus since my netbooks latest bios has better support for linux OS's. But HP is a whole other story. There is no way to run their bios update via DOS it has to be run with the system exe inside a windows OS. After 10 hrs of a pirated copy of windows 7 along with DBAN to wipe mand reinstall linux.  Now I ask of you this, I feel it would be better if I broke away from the stock HP bios since they are shit, does anyone know where to look for modified or unloack bios?
[16:24] <FloodBot1> kristopher: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:24] <ikonia> macer1: can you please stop posting that
[16:24] <macer1> what? i am asking how to repair this.
[16:24] <organiks> ikonia can i pull up the session on the pc then
[16:24] <waperboy> th0r: My mappings since two years back are still in effect, but I cannot remember how I did it :)
[16:25] <ikonia> macer1: you'd have to re-install it
[16:25] <macer1> re-install OS or reinstall chmod?
[16:25] <ikonia> macer1: chmod, or boot from a livecd and change it, something simple
[16:26] <macer1> OK. This knowledge can be useful in future :D
[16:27] <waperboy> I hate how Ubuntu refuses to boot if a filesystem has errors
[16:27] <mgaunard_> it's understandable if it's the root mount point
[16:27] <kristopher> better ubuntu with errors than proprietary microsoft their resolution is $200
[16:28] <ikonia> kristopher: please don't be silly
[16:28] <waperboy> forced to boot off usb-ubuntu and run fsck
[16:28] <ikonia> waperboy: ubuntu should auto fsck
[16:28] <kristopher> does anyone know where I can find or browse unlocked bios for hp machines
[16:28] <waperboy> but it said /home has unrecoverable error, and just halted
[16:28] <nathanel> hello ... i need to automate UUID retreival for mounting partitions on startup according to partition scheme.. can anyone help me?
[16:29] <rodd> Hi, how can I edit the boot order on grub 1.99? I'd like to set win7 as default, it's currently the last item in the list
[16:29] <ikonia> kristopher: please don't ask that sort of thing, this channel is for ubuntu discussion,
[16:29] <waperboy> booted off usb-ubuntu, ran fsck, and it was ok
[16:29] <ikonia> waperboy: for that you could just boot into single user mode
[16:29] <th0r> nathanel: the answer to your question is 'yes'
[16:29] <ikonia> waperboy: you don't need a usb/cd to boot from
[16:29] <edbian> rodd: /etc/default/grub   there is an option in there
[16:29] <mgaunard_> waperboy: usually you can drop to a shell
[16:29] <mgaunard_> and do your fsck cleanup there
[16:30] <waperboy> didn't remember how to boot into single user, and no computer = no internet, so usb boot :)
[16:30] <nathanel> th0r: so my question is, how do i automate (through bash) the retreival of a specific device uuid by partition scheme?
[16:30] <waperboy> seems to be a red line in my life - I don't remember details
[16:30] <kristopher> waterboy hold shift down after bios when ubuntu begins to boot i display some options
[16:31] <edbian> nathanel: You look up the UUID's and put them in /etc/fstab manually
[16:31] <adeee> hello
[16:31] <t0ken> Hi folks, ubuntu desktop 11.04, what's the preferred method for sending emails from scripts, specifically, to gmail.  Looks like it's "sendmail" with using a postfix back-end.  I can't quite figure out what needs to be configured...anyone have a pointer?
[16:31] <rodd> edbian, I seen GRUB_DEFAULT but it's set to a number of which I have no idea what is related to
[16:31] <edbian> rodd: 0 is the first thing, 1 is the second thing, 2 is the third thing.  It's programmer counting :)
[16:31] <nathanel> thor: i know... but i would like to retreive and cat it to fstab automatically
[16:31] <rodd> I tried editing that and adding "Windows 7 ..." just as it appears in the boot screen but it didnt work
[16:31] <ikonia> t0ken: sendmail and postfix cannot be used at the same time, so I don't know why you think it's sendmail with postfix
[16:31] <ikonia> t0ken: you just need any MTA
[16:31] <mgaunard_> rodd: isn't GRUB_DEFAULT a number
[16:31] <mgaunard_> and not a string
[16:31] <ikonia> mgaunard_: yes
[16:31] <th0r> nathanel: you can retrieve the uuid with the blkid command. parsing that output in a bash script is a question for #bash
[16:32] <ikonia> 0 is the first option
[16:32] <edbian> mgaunard_: rodd It's a number
[16:32] <t0ken> ikonia: sendmail is the actual command line executable, I don't mean the sendmail mta
[16:32] <rodd> ah alright
[16:32] <adeee> guys i have complete command on ubuntu basics but i want to go ahead and learn the ubuntu kernel and become programmer. am currently learning php. what should i need to learn to master in ubuntu linux.
[16:32] <ikonia> t0ken: sendmail shouldn't be a comment
[16:32] <ikonia> command
[16:32] <nathanel> th0r: ah... wrong room again :P.. sorry guys and thanks for the tip :)
[16:32] <ikonia> t0ken: mailx or mail is normally used
[16:32] <ikonia> adeee: just day to do use will get you there
[16:32] <ikonia> adeee: you can't "learn it"
[16:32] <waperboy> adee, are you a programmer?
[16:33] <ikonia> it's experience and knowledge
[16:33] <edbian> ikonia: that's learning
[16:33] <t0ken> ikonia: k, so I should be running 'mailx -s "Test"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>< stuff.txt'  then?
[16:33] <edbian> adeee: learn c / c++ and take college level courses on operating systems.  Then you have the background necessary to learn things about the kernel.  You will never learn the entire kernel.  It's too big.
[16:33] <mgaunard_> adeee: the POSIX system calls
[16:33] <adeee> waperboy. as a mater of fact not yet. but am learning php. also a good designer.
[16:33] <ikonia> t0ken: that's a valid command to send the mail, you need a running mta to actually send the mail though
[16:34] <cxxc> im in the same boat as adeee but looking to work on servers such as LAMP
[16:34] <ikonia> adeee: right, so don't learn the kernel, learn a programming language you want to learn
[16:34] <mgaunard_> adeee: and C, of course
[16:34] <cxxc> is the RHCE worth anything these days?
[16:34] <edbian> cxxc: Then you probably care more about web server software rather than the OS
[16:34] <ikonia> this is offtopic
[16:34] <ikonia> guys, it's an ubuntu support channel
[16:34] <llutz> t0ken: for just sending some stuff to gmail from scripts, look at simple mtas like ssmtp/msmtp etc. exim/postfix/sendmail would be overkill
[16:34] <edbian> ikonia: noted :)
[16:34] <jxshxx> Howdy.  Just changed an older laptop from Lucid to Natty.  Switched to Ubuntu Classic (no effects) but it's still noticeably slower.  Other suggestions?
[16:34] <edbian> rodd: make sure you're running sudo update-grub
[16:35] <kristopher> adeee the kernel is actually pretty easy to understand but difficult to work with i did alot with androids i suggest opening one up to see the code and edit as needed that will give you ideas on how they work http://www.kernel.org/
[16:35] <t0ken> llutz: ok thanks, that's what I was looking for.  I don't need a "mail server" per se, I just wanna fire off mail to my gmail account
[16:35] <rodd> yeah, just trying to figure out which number refers to windows
[16:35] <waperboy> adee: becoming a programmer is a long road, there's so much you need to know. To program in the Linux kernel is not a walk in the park :)
[16:35] <adeee> Thank you guys. for your good advise. so can you tell me about the college or universities where the courses are studied about linux or c++.
[16:35] <ikonia> adeee: please drop it
[16:35] <edbian> rodd: what does the list look like at the grub menu?
[16:36] <rodd> dont remember, perhaps 6
[16:36] <rodd> it's set to 6 currently
[16:36] <waperboy> adee: if you're not already headed for college, forget formal education. Passion and experience are your best friends
[16:36] <rodd> but ubuntu is still the default
[16:37] <edbian> rodd: make sure you run sudo update-grub when you change the list
[16:37] <adeee> waperboy you may be right. :p but am must learn this because i have mind attached with computer and computer languages
[16:37] <mgaunard_> why C++? The kernel is written in C, and torvalds despises C++
[16:37] <ikonia> mgaunard_: enough
[16:38] <jiahui> hello
[16:38] <Myrtti> please keep offtopic to #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:38] <timothy> is it possible to install lastest version of software on ubuntu 10.10 or 11.04 packages?
[16:38] <jiahui> can anyone help me to solve my problem?
[16:38] <ikonia> timothy: you shouldn't mix versions and packages
[16:38] <mgaunard_> timothy: it's possible to try, but you may have problems
[16:39] <mgaunard_> timothy: dependencies will probably be missing
[16:39] <ikonia> timothy: I very strongly advise you not to do this, it will cause problems
[16:40] <kristopher> stick with what ubuntu gives you and let them turn out the updates there behind on some software for a good reason
[16:40] <timothy> hmmm i see
[16:40] <jiahui> my Network icon has disappeared
[16:40] <timothy> i can use ubuntu tweak
[16:40] <timothy> hopefully
[16:41] <amin`> hi guys could i use GDM themes like this http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Akumin+GDM+-+smleimberg?content=102828 for GDM3 or gdm3 just uses te wide system GTK themes?it is about 3days i search about converting from bash to zsh and I am worried about a consciousness ! am I gain mopre than i lose by converting to Zsh
[16:41] <jiahui> did anyone know why?
[16:41] <ikonia> timothy: I wouldn't use that either