  :)  Is there a reason that power and sound indicators are switched in position on the phone and desktop?
[01:58] <ted> nhaines, different designers
[01:58] <ted> nhaines, We just moved all the phone ones
[01:58] <ted> nhaines, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemComponents#Indicator_Positions
[01:59] <nhaines> ted: I noticed the bug report (although I'm not sure why I was subscribed).  I'm slightly annoyed. :)
[01:59] <nhaines> But only out of a general feeling that it should be uniform because Ubuntu.
[01:59] <nhaines> (I'm similarly annoyed by the bootsplash.)
[01:59] <ted> nhaines, Yes, so they were designed with different theories involved on how they should be ordered.
[02:00] <ted> nhaines, The phone is now ordered by trying to anticipate how easy they'll open.
[02:00] <nhaines> Hm.
[02:00] <ted> nhaines, The desktop was ordered by likelihood they're present.
[02:00] <ted> nhaines, (most likely on the right)
[02:00] <nhaines> So two years from now when I switch a tablet to desktop mode they'll all reorder randomly?  :)
[02:00] <ted> nhaines, Both of these theories may be correct, but he problem is that "right" doesn't have the same value on a small touch screen.
[02:01] <ted> I think we'll get them aligned at some point, but people need to "sow their wild oats" a bit.
[02:01] <nhaines> That's fair enough.
[04:17] <elopio> ted: I replied on the trello card. I reported two more bugs.
[05:48] <Az___> Greetings
[05:49] <Az___> Anyone around?
[05:53] <Az___> ?
[05:58] <lpotter> I am. but probably not much help
[07:17] <mardy> mpt: hi! When in landscape mode, should the access prompt remain as designed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnlineAccounts#App_access, or should the buttons be put in a horizontal row?
[07:19] <mpt> mardy, the toolkit should do that for you … I don’t know whether it does
[07:19] <mpt> but yes
[07:19] <mpt> Dialog buttons should be horizontal whenever there’s always room
[07:28] <mardy> mpt: ok, thanks
[07:39] <Thomashamka> Does anyone know if you can "DOCK" Ubuntu Touch RTM? (Full os convergence stuff), if not, will it come =)?
[08:34] <jamesh> davmor2: are you still able to reproduce the problems you mentioned in https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-scope-mediascanner/+bug/1373067 ?
[08:35] <davmor2> jamesh: I will have a look for you in a meeting now
[08:35] <jamesh> okay, thanks.
[08:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Octopus Day! :-D
[08:46] <vitimiti> Hi
[10:26] <davmor2> jamesh: no it appears to be fixed now \o/
[10:27] <davmor2> jamesh: I think it was part of the issue with the thumbnailer and that has been resolved so I think it fixed that too :)
[10:27] <jamesh> davmor2: okay, cool.
[10:35] <seb128> alecu, dobey: hey, we have an issue with the sso token invalidated and the phone, the current rtm image fails to start downlading click updates until you remove/add back your u1 account
[10:35] <seb128> beuno, ^
[10:36] <seb128> that's using rtm 89 on krillin
[10:36]  * beuno assumes fetal position and starts crying
[10:37] <ogra_> 89 ... old stuff ... :P
[10:38] <seb128> ogra_, I doubt r90 fixes it, but who knows ... what component changed? anything in the click download stack?
[10:39] <ogra_> seb128, i was just trolling :)
[10:39] <popey> well, I _did_ get the popup on my krillin and didn't have to re-auth
[10:39] <popey> just pressed a button
[10:40] <ogra_> seb128, though http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/rtm/90.changeshas the changes ... (i doubt they help with your issue though)
[10:44] <seb128> popey, well, you already said that, and I already said that I didn't, so there is a bug somewhere which makes that ui no pop up for some of us
[10:44] <seb128> ogra_, yeah, I doubt it as well
[10:44] <popey> sure, i was just adding the data here for people who were not in on that conversation elsewhere.
[10:59] <nik90> Wellark: ping
[11:17] <Wellark> nik90: ponk
[11:18] <nik90> Wellark: hey, I am trying to run my sample ubuntu connectivity app, but it fails on the rtm mako phone. http://paste.ubuntu.com/8520196/
[11:18] <nik90> Wellark: image 89, shows that it was added to the phone -> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/rtm/89.changes
[11:19] <nik90> Wellark: so I am a bit puzzled as to how I can start using it :D
[11:19] <nik90> Wellark: I took the example code straight from developer.ubuntu.com with no changes'
[11:19] <nik90> the error I get is file:///opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.nik90.testconnectivity/0.1/main.qml:18 Element is not creatable.
[11:19] <nik90> referring to the NetworkingStatus{} element
[11:19] <ogra_> nik90, check syslog for apparmor denials
[11:20] <nik90> ogra_: you genius
[11:20] <nik90> Wellark: yes I got apparmor denials
[11:20] <ogra_> might be that apparmor needs adjustments for the new stuff
[11:21] <Wellark> nik90: did you add the appropriate click policygroups?
[11:21] <nik90> Wellark: was there any policy group I needed to add?
[11:21]  * nik90 checks docs
[11:21] <Wellark> nik90: yes. please read the manual ;)
[11:22] <nik90> Wellark: that line "note: Using this component in confined application requires connectivity policy group." must be in big bold letters
[11:22] <nik90> :)
[11:22] <Wellark> nik90: well, it's emphasized! ;)
[11:22] <nik90> lol
[11:23] <Wellark> nik90: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Connectivity.NetworkingStatus/
[11:23] <ogra_> it doesnt use <blink> though
[11:23] <Wellark> actually the "note:" is boldface
[11:23] <nik90> hmm I am still getting the denial errors
[11:24] <nik90> I added connectivity to policy group, using ubuntu-sdk-14.10-qml-dev3 framework
[11:28] <nik90> jdstrand: ping (connectivity API denials) -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8520334/
[11:28] <nik90> jdstrand: I ensured I have the connectivity policy group added and using the latest ubuntu-sdk-14.10-qml-dev3 framework
[11:41] <nik90> Wellark: I am pretty sure something is wrong, since I get the   file:///opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.nik90.testconnectivity/0.1/main.qml:18 Element is not creatable. error even on utopic desktop
[11:41] <nik90> Wellark: do you mind running the sample code on developer.ubuntu.com and seeing if you hit the same issue? (if you have time atm)
[11:46] <nerochiaro> seb128: did you open a bug for the issue you suggested here ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/gallery-app/+bug/1369506
[11:46] <gatox> sephiap, hi... do you know where i can look at the u-s-s logs? i was looking at .cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log but that doesn't seem to have all
[11:46] <gatox> sephiap, sorry
[11:46] <gatox> seb128,  hi... do you know where i can look at the u-s-s logs? i was looking at .cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log but that doesn't seem to have all
[11:47] <Wellark> nik90: well, I don't, but I will take a look anyway
[11:47] <Wellark> :)
[11:47] <Wellark> nik90: are you getting any other error?
[11:48] <nerochiaro> bfiller: can you please help getting this MR forward ? it's been on Approved for a while now: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/notes-app/inline-desktop-i18n/+merge/235785
[11:49] <nik90> Wellark: nope no other error
[11:50] <nik90> Wellark: well I get,
[11:50] <nik90> (process:7646): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_settings_schema_source_lookup: assertion 'source != NULL' failed
[11:50] <nik90> The schema com.canonical.Unity.Thumbnailer is missing
[11:50] <nik90> file:///opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.nik90.testconnectivity/0.1/main.qml:18 Element is not creatable.
[11:51] <Wellark> nik90: let's continue on app-devel
[12:13] <nik90> jdstrand: ignore my ping :) ... I managed to fix the issue.. apparmor is all good.
[12:29] <thostr_> seb128: regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1378678: unfortunately I flashed by device by now so I cannot verify your guess
[12:29] <thostr_> seb128: if you're 100% positive that this is the issue, then let's close the bug again
[12:41] <gcollura> is it ok that Notification Centre (shouldn't it be Center in american english?) is now the first indicator?
[12:41] <gcollura> (I freaking love the new update though)
[13:09] <gatox> seb128, should this branches be approved: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-system-settings/display-errors/+merge/235037 - https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-system-settings/account-detected/+merge/236313
[13:19] <seb128> gatox, need another round of testing, did you check with kenvandine, he was running it yesterday
[13:20] <seb128> nerochiaro, no, which one? the album on?
[13:20] <gatox> seb128, yes
[13:20] <seb128> gatox, the legacy log should have it all, but for some reason things like console.log() are eaten, but .warning() are displayed
[13:20] <kenvandine> console.warn
[13:21] <gatox> seb128, i have some console.warn that are not being shown... i'll keep testing
[13:21] <seb128> thostr_, well, it's still a bug, users shouldn't have to guess they need to delete and add back their u1 account... beuno said to check with dobey and alecu, but they don't seem around yet
[13:21] <seb128> gatox, weird
[13:21] <seb128> gatox, maybe the code path is not used as you think?
[13:22] <gatox> seb128, the console.warn i mean is when the download start, and the download is being started
[13:22] <gatox> so, i'll need to figure that out
[13:23] <seb128> gatox, kenvandine: ok, just a fyi there seems to be an issue due to the sso token expiration from yesterday, click download stay at 0% (apparently deleting the u1 account and adding it back fixes it, but I didn't try since I want to keep the buggy state for testing)
[13:23] <kenvandine> ugh
[13:25] <beuno> seb128, thostr_, FWIW, it's easy to test the scenario where the token is invalid, you can invalidate them from login.ubuntu.com
[13:25] <dobey> seb128: eh? on 14.09 or 14.09-proposed?
[13:25] <gatox> seb128, kenvandine as i see it.. the download manager doesn't return a message like: invalid credentials... i think... so, in order to figure that out, network.cpp would need to make a call to validate that the credentials that we are passing to the download manager are valid
[13:26] <beuno> well
[13:26] <beuno> or
[13:26] <beuno> handle the error
[13:26] <seb128> dobey, rtm image 89 on krillin
[13:26] <beuno> as in, if the auth needed error comes back
[13:26] <beuno> bubble it up to log in again
[13:26] <seb128> dobey, so proposed I think
[13:27] <nerochiaro> seb128: the menu opening wrong from the album when you are in landscape
[13:27] <seb128> dobey, apparently popey got a dialog asking him to log in again, that didn't happen on my device
[13:27] <seb128> nerochiaro, ok, I can open one about that
[13:27] <nerochiaro> seb128: please do
[13:27] <dobey> seb128: yes, you should get the error page in the dash with the "Go to Accounts" button
[13:28] <seb128> dobey, "in the dash", like on the apps view?
[13:28] <seb128> dobey, nothing displayed on the dash here
[13:29] <dobey> seb128: it's a preview. when you tap "Install" if it fails due to an auth issue, the "You need to log in to Ubuntu One" page should be displayed
[13:29] <seb128> dobey, I'm not using the dash, I'm using settings->updates to update some click which are already installed
[13:29] <seb128> but the download never starts
[13:29] <seb128> they are blocked on 0%
[13:30] <dobey> seb128: oh; then that's a problem in system-updates then
[13:30] <seb128> dobey, k, so something for gatox?
[13:30] <kenvandine> gatox, yeah i think you need to handle that case
[13:30] <dobey> seb128: yes
[13:30] <kenvandine> like dobey just said
[13:31] <seb128> dobey, I can confirm that the dash does display a "auth err, do you want to see the accounts"
[13:31] <gatox> dobey, are you doing a call to the server to verify if the credentials are valid or do you get that message from the download manager?
[13:31] <seb128> popey, ^ maybe you used the dash to update/install a click when you get the dialog telling you to re-auth?
[13:32] <dobey> seb128: right. the flow there is still a little confusing, as the "Go to Accounts" button just opens system-settings, but that should be better by some point tomorrow
[13:32] <popey> seb128: sorry, I don't know wwhat triggered it.
[13:32] <dobey> gatox: we just get a 401 when doing the HEAD to get the install token for the package, and show the error in that situation
[13:37] <kenvandine> gatox, you can do the same
[13:38] <gatox> kenvandine, i'll work on that as soon as the check-hash branch is ready....  i have the fake server to test it... but for some reason it gets stuck at 100% and i never get the errorFound signal from the download manager..... i'm debugging that
[13:39] <kenvandine> thx
[13:39] <kenvandine> gatox, i'm looking at the other 2 branches now
[13:39] <kenvandine> again :)
[13:39] <gatox> kenvandine, thx
[13:39] <kenvandine> i think it's good to land now
[13:39] <kenvandine> just testing it
[13:54] <kenvandine> gatox, sorry... one more fix needed in display-errors
[13:54] <gatox> checking
[13:54] <kenvandine> then i'm confident we can land it ;)
[13:56] <kenvandine> gatox, at some point i'd like to make it not check when it comes online if there are known updates, and also have it disable the update/download buttons when it's offline
[13:57] <kenvandine> gatox, but i can do that later on, this is already a nice improvement
[13:57] <gatox> kenvandine, done
[13:57] <kenvandine> thanks!
[14:15] <thelionroars> https://education.github.com/pack
[14:15] <alecu> seb128: you can revalidate your credentials if you need to, and when you need to reproduce this issue again, you can go to https://login.ubuntu.com/+applications and remove "Ubuntu One @ ubuntu-phablet"
[14:15] <thelionroars> whoops, that was meant for #ubuntuforums, sorry
[14:15] <alecu> seb128: we are using that in the test plan of the click scope
[14:16] <seb128> alecu, thanks
[14:17] <alecu> seb128, gatox: I strongly suggest you guys add such a case to the system updates testplan.
[14:37] <seb128> nerochiaro, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gallery-app/+bug/1378858
[14:44] <popey> sergiusens: you about? Mirv (and I imagine balloons) need to get creds for the click uploads tools. We can't upload anymore probably because U1 creds were invalidated.
[14:44] <sergiusens> popey: I already sent to Mirv
[14:44] <popey> ok. thanks.
[14:44] <sergiusens> popey: I think he confirmed on #u-c-eng
[14:45] <sergiusens> [09:33:18] <Mirv> popey: filemanger uploaded
[14:45] <popey> missed that, thanks!
[14:48] <charles> nik90, is this correct? https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-datetime/+bug/1378862
[14:48] <charles> rsalveti: ^
[14:49] <nik90> charles: clock app can't do it just yet...I need to first implement the dbus interface qml api and once that works, then we can remove the DefautlVolume property from i-dt
[14:54] <charles> nik90, is there a ticket to track that work?
[14:54] <charles> nik90, if so I'll link to it from 1378862
[14:54] <nik90> charles: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1376513
[14:54] <charles> nik90, perfect, ty
[14:58] <nik90> cool
[15:06] <dobey> mardy: hi. why would "unconfined" be popping up the access request dialog, rather than just returning access to the account, since unconfined is already in the ACL?
[15:24] <nerochiaro> bfiller: if you want to test the branch for the album text: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/gallery-app/album-title-text-proportions/+merge/237614
[15:25] <nerochiaro> bfiller: also i passed to you a branch earlier today for i18n in notes-app, not sure if you have seen it. it's in approved state, needs to be pushed forward from there
[15:25] <bfiller> nerochiaro: will do on both
[15:26] <MoPac> Hello -- my phone just died, and so I need a new one quickly. I'm hoping for an Ubuntu-capable phone, so I'm considering a BQ or Meizu. Does anyone know if Ubuntu will run on the *current* hardware of the models it's set to be released for (e.g., MX4)? Can I be confident that the Ubuntu version won't have a key difference (and therefore that I could load it later on a phone I buy today)?
[15:28] <elopio> ping ted: I've just reflashed, upgraded with your PPA, double checked that citrain reboots after that, and terminal is still not on the freezer group.
[15:28] <elopio> is there more information you would find useful from my phone?
[15:31] <ted> elopio, Uhm, really…
[15:31] <ted> elopio, Just so I don't think I'm crazy, can you verify your /usr/share/upstart/sessions/application-click.conf has a cgroup line in it?
[15:32] <popey> MoPac: can't say. i dont think either meizu or bq have officially announced their ubuntu devices yet
[15:33] <MoPac> I saw this re: Meizu ( http://www.gsmarena.com/meizu_mx4_with_ubuntu_touch_makes_an_appearance-news-9866.php ) , but I guess it's unclear whether it would have to be the Pro or not
[15:33]  * ogra_ wonders if the current android versions would even be flashable
[15:34] <ogra_> (versions of the meizu and BQ hardware)
[15:34] <kenvandine> gatox_lunch, i'm trying to land the display-errors and account-detected branches, but they have a conflict with trunk
[15:34] <kenvandine> gatox_lunch, can you please merge trunk and push?
[15:34] <elopio> ted: like this?
[15:34] <elopio> $ cat  /usr/share/upstart/sessions/application-click.conf | grep cgroup
[15:34] <elopio> cgroup freezer
[15:34] <elopio> 	/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/ubuntu-app-launch/cgroup-reap-all
[15:34] <ted> elopio, That works, but it's more confusing :-)
[15:35] <ted> elopio, I mean, why it's not working is confusing.
[15:35] <ted> elopio, This is krillin?
[15:36] <elopio> ted: krillin. I flash with:
[15:36] <elopio> $ ubuntu-device-flash --serial JB012789 --channel ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed --wipe
[15:36] <elopio> and install the silo with:
[15:36] <elopio> $ citrain device-upgrade 28 1234
[15:36] <elopio> 1234 is the password.
[15:36] <MoPac> ogra_: You mean there may need to be a hardware or firmware modification to a device to make it an Ubuntu-capable box?
[15:37] <ogra_> MoPac, well, first you would need it flashable via fastboot ... then ubuntu might use a completely different partitioning scheme etc etc
[15:37] <ogra_> i personally would wait for the actual devices
[15:38] <ted> elopio, Let me try again, but I'm perplexed on how that could happen.
[15:38] <ogra_> (not that i have no idea if it wuld be possible to run ubuntu on them today or not, but the android version might be slightly different which might cause you issues)
[15:38] <ogra_> s/not/note/
[15:39] <MoPac> ogra_: thanks. Since I have to buy a phone right away, it's a bit of a pickle. Anyone have thoughts on whether ports for a large number of devices might follow on from the OEM releases?
[15:40] <ogra_> i think it will start slow at first
[15:41] <popey> MoPac: that doesn't look like an official announcement to me
[15:41] <popey> second hand nexus 4 is probably best thing right now.
[15:42] <ogra_> yeah
[15:42] <ogra_> i heard even nexus5 works
[15:42] <MoPac> popey: It's not, and the text says specifically that the OEM official version might be the Pro
[15:42] <popey> yeah, its all speculation
[15:42] <popey> nothing official at all
[15:42] <popey> so I wouldn't base my phone purchase on that
[15:42] <MoPac> But I didn't know if it might be a good indicator that it would work, since I don't know how much modification has to be done for each device
[15:43] <popey> right now, nexus 4 (image supported by us) or nexus 5 (image supported by community), in the future bq & meizu. that's about it right now.
[15:43] <popey> or, port to some other device yourself.
[15:43] <MoPac> Used Nexus 4 still seems pretty expensive for something without native LTE support...
[15:52] <gatox> kenvandine, done
[15:52] <kenvandine> gatox, thx!
[15:58] <Marzel> Hello, I've a question: I cannot install any app for some days. And updates aren't be installed. Is this, because the new ubuntu came out in a few weeks? I am on devel-channel...
[16:02] <sergiusens> alecu: ^
[16:06] <kenvandine> Marzel, might be related to your U1 account setup on the device
[16:08] <Marzel> Ok, what could happen, that I can't install any app from one day to the other? It was all ok some days before. And suddenly, I can't do anything.... :/
[16:16] <Marzel> kenvandine Ok, what could happen, that I can't install any app from one day to the other? It was all ok some days before. And suddenly, I can't do anything.... :/
[16:16] <jgdx> kenvandine, my MP does not fix that the ConnectionManager interface goes away. The UI have no idea (in FM) what sim to use for data. Is that what you're seeing?
[16:17] <jgdx> kenvandine, that has to be fixed largely outside USS (e.g. NM/gsettings).
[16:17] <kenvandine> Marzel, i heard something about the U1 token expiring... not sure the details
[16:17] <kenvandine> jgdx, so it works most of the times
[16:17] <kenvandine> i must have triggered that 20 times... it only went back to off twice
[16:18] <jgdx> kenvandine, so you turned off FM and it was off and never came back online? Did you check the list-modems output?
[16:18] <kenvandine> jgdx, it didn't, and i didn't check with list-modems
[16:18] <kenvandine> toggling FM again fixed it
[16:19] <kenvandine> well on and off again
[16:19] <jgdx> kenvandine, Tony talked about an issue where traffic just doesnt come back. He's investigating.
[16:19] <jgdx> I'll check if that is the issue. If so, there's nothing we can do.
[16:19] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:19] <jgdx> (in uss)
[16:19] <kenvandine> i was just thinking it could be a race condition, if i'm toggling FM to quickly
[16:20] <jgdx> he mentioned something like that.. NM is watching ofono and we're manipulating ofono directly.
[16:20] <Marzel> kenvandine ok. So, it should only wait, or can I try anything?
[16:20] <kenvandine> Marzel, i think you can remove your U1 account and add it again
[16:21] <kenvandine> but i think it's a bug being worked on...
[16:21]  * kenvandine doesn't really know the story :)
[16:21] <kenvandine> i just know someone said remove/adding the account works around it
[16:22] <Marzel> Ok, I will try it. (Why I didn't try it before? :D ) Yes, I think, too.
[16:22] <kenvandine> but i think if you are trying to install something, it should be prompting you
[16:22] <kenvandine> updates doesn't prompt in this case yet, but i think gatox is fixing that :)
[16:23] <Marzel> It only says "Fehler beim Herunterladen...."
[16:24] <Marzel> Other question: Where can I tell errors?
[16:26] <Marzel> kenvandine Yes, it works now!
[16:27] <Marzel> kenvandine Thank, you!
[16:27] <jgdx> kenvandine, you have pins on your sims?
[16:29] <kenvandine> jgdx, nope
[16:32] <jgdx> kenvandine, right, because I've tested n times using a sim that has a pin. "Always" works. Will test using no pin.
[16:45] <ted> elopio, So reflashed, wiped and silo and it works.
[16:46] <ted> elopio, When we're talking about "in the terminal" it's the terminal app on the device, right?
[16:47] <ted> elopio, Ah, yes, that's it, you're in session two. So from adb or ssh.
[16:47] <ted> elopio, Needs to be the terminal app on the device.
[16:48] <elopio> ted: oh, so I need to check from the device
[16:52] <oSoMoN> who would be the right person to look into bug #1378184 ? (considering adding a package to the ubuntu-touch seed)
[17:14] <michelle_> hi
[17:14] <popey> hello
[17:15] <michelle_> can you guide me how to instill thi system on HP with window 8 ?
[17:18] <michelle_> Can you?ű
[18:06] <asac> barry: i have r89 installed, but r91 is out, but i dont see any update in system-settings
[18:07] <asac> barry: any idea what i should look for?
[18:07] <asac> barry: i had an internet outage here for couple hours; maybe that makes our update thingy give up?
[18:07] <seb128> yeah, the service doesn't handle those cases well
[18:08] <seb128> if you check for updates while offline and come back offline it doesn't refresh/check again
[18:08] <asac> hmm. wonder if there is any info should exttract before going offline/online
[18:08] <seb128> reboot the device?
[18:08] <asac> i am sure this fixes it most likely
[18:08] <asac> but anything useful to get from this state?
[18:09] <asac> seb128: which service is that? download-manager? update-manager?
[18:09]  * asac wants at least to file a bug
[18:09] <seb128> system-image I assume
[18:09] <asac> mandel: see above; maybe you know something?
[18:09] <asac> e.g. if i should extract info in this state etc.
[18:11] <seb128> you need barry
[18:34] <asac> bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/whoopsie/+bug/1378980
[18:35] <asac> thanks and sorry for the bad bug report style :)
[18:35] <asac> surely not suyper urgent, but would be helpful
[18:36] <dobey> does anyone know where the code is that pops up online-accounts-ui to ask to allow/deny access to an account?
[18:36] <dobey> mardy: ^^?
[18:43] <barry> asac: there are probably some udm logs.  si doesn't actually do any downloading so if there are connectivity problems udm will fail and these failures will propagate up the stack
[18:48] <asac> barry: so what shall i do?
[18:48] <asac> barry: btw, thanks for coming  on :)
[18:49] <barry> asac: np!  if possible, i would adb shell in, kill ubuntu-download-manager and system-image-dbus (if they are still running, the latter times out after 10m).  you might also have to kill system-settings.  then retry
[18:50] <asac> barry: this might cure it, but shouldnt we try to get some info first?
[18:50] <asac> i am concerned that this will be "unreproducible aftrer"
[18:51] <barry> asac: you can pastebin /var/log/system-image/client.log, but i suspect udm, and there's little i can do about that.  i'm not really even sure where the latter logs itself these days :(
[18:52] <asac> barry: cat /tmp/client.log  | pastebinit
[18:52] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8522507/
[18:53] <asac> barry: who can do something about udm if thats what it takes?
[18:53] <barry> asac: yep.  look at the bottom and you'll see timeout errors coming from the downloader.  that's udm not responding to dbus :(
[18:54] <barry> asac: that's is a long discussion
[18:54] <barry> asac: but yes, we need to Do Something
[18:59] <mardy> dobey: ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/online-accounts-ui/qml/ProviderRequest.qml, IIRC
[19:00] <mardy> dobey: ah, wait, depends on what you need; if you want to see the client side, it's in ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/client/OnlineAccountsClient/setup.{h,cpp}
[19:00]  * mardy needs to leave
[19:03] <dobey> mardy: when libsignon-glib asks for credentials
[19:05] <mardy> dobey: your original question seemed different, now I'm a bit confused :-)
[19:05] <mardy> dobey: do you want to see how to popup the screen which requests the user to authorize an account?
[19:06] <mardy> dobey: I mean, the top one from here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnlineAccounts#App_access
[19:06] <dobey> mardy: trying to find out why it is popping up for an unconfined request
[19:06] <Stskeeps> g w00t
[19:06] <Stskeeps> er, ignore me
[19:07] <mardy> Stskeeps: you are logged for eternity
[19:07] <Stskeeps> :-(
[19:08] <mardy> dobey: maybe this? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/signon-apparmor-extension/trunk/view/head:/src/access-control-manager.cpp#L72
[19:08]  * mardy now really leaves :-)
[19:08]  * w00t sends the internet police to Stskeeps
[19:10] <dobey> no. that wasn't even installed in the image :-/
[19:15] <jdstrand> ted: hi! artmello is faced with bug #1378823
[19:15] <jdstrand> ted: and needed some help on the direction to fix it
[19:15] <jdstrand> alex-abreu: you may be able to as well since you guys did something for webapps ^
[19:16] <artmello> jdstrand, ted: It is not clear to me what gallery-app can do to fix that, we are using the UriHandler from the sdk
[19:16] <jdstrand> ah, then ted is definitely your guy
[19:16] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, artmello I did talk to artmello about it
[19:17] <artmello> jdstrand: yes, already talked with alex-abreu
[19:17]  * ted clicks
[19:17] <alex-abreu> artmello, gallery app is a click right?
[19:17] <artmello> alex-abreu: yep
[19:18] <alex-abreu> artmello, jdstrand so yeah ... to me it's more a ubuntu-ui-tk bug ... and not  critical one .. same issue than w/ webapps
[19:18] <alex-abreu> but it doesn't affect the functionality
[19:18] <jdstrand> oh
[19:18] <alex-abreu> since the dispatcher dispatches directly to the process
[19:18] <jdstrand> I thought the functionality was affected
[19:18] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, it's mostly a side effect (albeit rather bad) of the SDK doing this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/modules/Ubuntu/Components/plugin/ucurihandler.cpp#L87
[19:19] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, for all apps (confined or not)
[19:19] <alex-abreu> and apparmor righfully blocking it
[19:19] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, no it does not actually
[19:19] <artmello> jdstrand: no, I think there is no functional issue
[19:19] <ted> Yeah, so it seems just line 87 needs to die there.
[19:19] <alex-abreu> ted, yes
[19:19] <ted> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/modules/Ubuntu/Components/plugin/ucurihandler.cpp#L87
[19:20] <alex-abreu> ted, yeah as as I pasted above
[19:20] <ted> Ha
[19:20] <alex-abreu> ted, artmello jdstrand I can MR something to sdk
[19:20] <ted> alex-abreu, Sorry, typing not reading :-)
[19:20] <alex-abreu> I was meaning to do it
[19:20] <alex-abreu> np at all :)
[19:21] <alex-abreu> ted, jdstrand artmello I'll file a bug and MR something to SDK ... and comment on the issues, since we still have the log for webapps too
[19:21] <ted> alex-abreu, I'd just retarget the bug artmello has
[19:22] <ted> Don't waste bug numbers, we might run out some day :-)
[19:22] <alex-abreu> ted, mmmh yeah sound ok :)
[19:22] <alex-abreu> aha
[19:22] <alex-abreu> I hope we reach that day, it'll mean that we are still outthere
[19:22] <artmello> ted, alex-abreu: heh
[19:23] <jdstrand> alex-abreu: so, your fix will fix webapps too?
[19:23] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, yes
[19:23] <jdstrand> cool. let me reprioritize the bug then
[19:23] <neonthoth> hello all
[19:23] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, right, ...
[19:24] <jdstrand> alex-abreu: shat source package?
[19:24] <jdstrand> what*
[19:24] <jdstrand> ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[19:25] <neonthoth> i am kind of a linux 'power user' but want a tablet 'look and function' to my thinkpad x201t. do you that touch would be a good choice?
[19:25] <alex-abreu> jdstrand,
[19:25] <alex-abreu> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[19:25] <neonthoth> i'm having a hard time finding out specific information i suppose
[19:28] <jdstrand> alex-abreu: ok, I just retarted bug 1378823
[19:29] <artmello> jdstrand, alex-abreu: thx guys
[19:29] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, thx
[19:29] <jdstrand> alex-abreu: thank you! :)
[19:35] <danielbeck_> hello! I would like to swith from channel=devel to channel=rtm
[19:35] <danielbeck_> However, when I enter the following: ubuntu-device-flash --channel=ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09
[19:36] <danielbeck_> I get: Expecting the device to expose an adb interface...Cannot determine the device name: exit status 255
[19:36] <sergiusens> danielbeck_: you need to enable developer mode
[19:37] <danielbeck_> sergiusens: It works. Thanks!
[19:37] <sergiusens> great
[19:42] <chrisc> the login screen has stopped working on my phone, if I ssh into it which service do I need to restart to get it working again?
[19:48] <asac> sergiusens: i have my system in a state where i cannot convince it that there are new updates availabe on system image
[19:48] <asac> sergiusens: seems things point towards udm
[19:48] <asac> sergiusens: i had a couple hours internet outage, so maybe it gave up etc.
[19:48] <asac> sergiusens: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8522507/
[19:48] <asac> thats the client.log
[19:48] <asac> sergiusens: aything we can extract from this system state? or shall i reboot and forget?
[19:49] <asac> (chicken said you try to juggle udm while mandel is away)
[19:51] <sergiusens> asac: can you get me the u-d-m logs inside ~/.cache/ubuntu-download-manager ?
[19:51] <asac> sergiusens: sure let me try :)
[19:51] <asac> sergiusens: hmm i have a bunch of .log files in there
[19:51] <asac> sergiusens: guess you only want the INFO WARNING etc,?
[19:53] <sergiusens> asac: I hope that has the info I need, if not, we can spawn u-d-m and retry the update (without rebooting of course)
[19:53] <asac> sergiusens: people.canonical.com:~asac/udmlog.tar.gz
[19:55] <sergiusens> asac: did you update payui just now?
[19:56] <sergiusens> barry: does system-image use the download manager to ping for updates too? seems a bit too much for u-d-m
[19:57] <sergiusens> or too little; depending on perspective :-)
[19:57] <asac> sergiusens: no. i dont update apps individually
[19:57] <asac> just have whatever is in r89
[19:58] <asac> sergiusens: i have been going to the system settings update window a few times hoping it would tell me there is a new update
[19:58] <asac> so i guess thats why you might see it
[19:58] <asac> i see a few apps from store, but none for system image
[19:58] <sergiusens> asac: well something is triggering it ... I1001 09:41:31.774821 13253 process.cpp:58] start pkcon-p install-local /home/phablet/.local/share/ubuntu-download-manager/Downloads/com.canonical.payui_0.3.25_armhf.click3
[19:59] <asac> odd
[19:59] <asac> i am surely not hitting that button there
[19:59]  * asac leaves it alone
[19:59] <sergiusens> asac: the date in the logging is a bit weird though
[19:59] <barry> sergiusens: si uses udm to download *everything*
[19:59] <asac> i still see it being available as update
[19:59] <asac> let me double check
[19:59] <barry> and a "ping for update" requires some files be downloaded
[19:59] <asac> sergiusens: pay ui is still available for update
[19:59] <sergiusens> barry: oh, that explains it
[19:59] <asac> sergiusens: so i think i updated too 89 in the morning
[20:00] <asac> thats 09:41 maybe
[20:00] <asac> my theory is still that while my inet was down, udm tried to check for new index, something exploded because of net being off
[20:00] <asac> and since then its not looking anymore
[20:00] <asac> or system-image or whoever does that part :/
[20:01] <barry> asac: udm
[20:01] <asac> barry: but is udm deciding to check for updates on its own>?
[20:01] <asac> barry: are we sure taht however wants to check for updates is still asking udm to do that?
[20:01] <barry> asac: no.  si says "please download these N files and tell me when you're done"
[20:01] <asac> do you see that in the logs?
[20:01] <sergiusens> barry: yeah, I see now it's failing to download the blacklist, but from the udm logs it seems it's never "called upon"
[20:01] <asac> barry: so sytem-image asks like once every hour to do that, right?
[20:02] <asac> and that "request" is still attempted? just that udm doesnt do its job?
[20:02] <barry> asac: si never initiates that check.  that comes from system-settings
[20:02] <asac> barry: system-settings does that even if i dont use it?
[20:02] <asac> i get notified if there is a new update available usually
[20:02] <barry> so: s-s asks s-i if there are updates.  s-i asks udm to download some files.
[20:02] <barry> asac: behind the scenes i believe it does
[20:03] <asac> ok, can we confirm that s-s still asks s-i and that s-i tries to ask uddm?
[20:03] <asac> is that possible?
[20:03] <asac> do we see that in the logs?
[20:03] <barry> in the most recent images, i've seen s-i-dbus started after login.  it's dbus activated only so *something* must be making those requests
[20:03] <asac> hmm. not sure if i get those notifications if i never logged in
[20:03] <barry> s-i-dbus will never spontaneous start running
[20:03] <asac> could be i dont
[20:03] <asac> sure, but i am logged in now
[20:04] <barry> right, there can be other reasons why s-s starts s-i-dbus of course
[20:04] <barry> i'm not positive what all those situations are
[20:04] <sergiusens> barry: asac it is clear from the log that s-i is timing out due to the u-d-m never coming back
[20:04] <asac> barry: si-dbus keeps running? or stops after it succeeds or fails?
[20:04] <asac> sergiusens: cool. thanks
[20:04] <asac> sergiusens: but it succeeds talking to udm at all?
[20:05] <barry> sergiusens: right.  in which case si will exit
[20:05] <sergiusens> but there is not log or notice from u-d-m
[20:05] <barry> asac: in the good path, s-i exits because the device reboots :)
[20:05] <sergiusens> asac: is u-d-m running now?
[20:05] <asac> let me check
[20:05] <sergiusens> asac: if it is, it deadlocked
[20:05] <sergiusens> as it should timeout with inactivity
[20:05] <asac> ps -eaf | grep download
[20:05] <asac> phablet  19126 19072  0 22:05 pts/52   00:00:00 grep --color=auto download
[20:05] <asac> so i think not
[20:06] <barry> right if si sees no activity over dbus it exits after 10m by default
[20:06] <sergiusens> asac: if you check for updates; do you see it at least start?
[20:06] <asac> will it live long enough?
[20:06]  * asac tries
[20:06] <sergiusens> asac: iirc the timeout is 1 minute
[20:06] <asac> f*ck
[20:06] <barry> if you have si 2.5, it will also log and exit now if any exception occurs in a dbus method
[20:06] <asac> it started and is downloading :/
[20:06] <asac> didnt do antyhing except unlock screen
[20:06] <chrisc> can anyone suggest what service i could restart to get the login screen working on my phone?
[20:07] <asac> damn ... guess the new 92 image being out triggered it
[20:07] <asac> how can that be ?
[20:07] <asac> that 91 doesnt work, but 92 does?
[20:07] <asac> mabye 91 was already downloaded and installed?
[20:07] <asac> err 93 is now here
[20:07] <barry> asac: a change in system-settings perhaps?  i've seen that before
[20:07] <asac> i didnt touch the device
[20:08] <sergiusens> asac: maybe because it's a new download
[20:08] <asac> yeah, so what happeened to the old download?
[20:08] <asac> maybe  it actually was downloaded, but si didnt figure it was there
[20:08] <asac> or didnt reboot after putting to recovery and forgot about it?
[20:09] <barry> if a download is not applied, si will for safety reasons, clear out the old download cache directory before it starts a new download
[20:09] <sergiusens> asac: but the failing group download are generic artifacts (not versioned -> keryring and blacklists)
[20:09] <sergiusens> barry: yeah, we had issues with that one for sure (had to deal with it for u-d-f as well)
[20:09] <barry> oh, also it's perfectly possible for blacklists to fail to download.  that is an expected behavior (and properly handled).  we can't know whether there are blacklist keyrings available until we try to download them
[20:10] <barry> and we *always* try to download the blacklists for each check-for-update or download
[20:10] <asac> hmm
[20:10] <sergiusens> barry: oh, then I misread the log :-)
[20:10] <asac> so for me good news is that it auto recovered after a new image became available
[20:10] <sergiusens> barry: this is the only relevant line [systemimage] Oct 08 20:49:51 2014 (16686) check_for_update failed
[20:10] <asac> bad news is that i think we dont have a real story yet
[20:11] <sergiusens> followed by a timout stackstrace
[20:11] <asac> or i am stupid and wasted your time in worst case :)
[20:11] <sergiusens> *traceback
[20:11] <asac> but i see problems in http://paste.ubuntu.com/8522507/ and i surely could ping, so i dont feel that bad
[20:11] <sergiusens> asac: it's networking, anything is possible ;-)
[20:11] <asac> yeah, we can blame lossy internet connection
[20:11] <asac> and tcp couldnt deal with it :P
[20:12] <barry> sergiusens, asac look at the traceback right after check_for_update failed.  you see the TimeoutError coming from download.py?  that's si-dbus saying that udm never responded with *any* completion signal
[20:12] <asac> yeah
[20:12] <asac> i am usually blaming dbus
[20:13] <asac> dbus is just not reliable :)
[20:13] <barry> asac: there is that ;)
[20:13] <barry> we put a lot of faith in that layer
[20:13] <asac> but then folks put dbus everywhere, i still feel they are crazy :P
[20:13] <asac> exactly
[20:13] <asac> i would feel better if we used corba :P
[20:13] <barry> :-o
[20:13] <asac> at least we know what we deal withh there
[20:13] <barry> or just rest==http+json
[20:14] <asac> and multithreading everywhere :)
[20:14] <asac> nice combo
[20:14]  * asac likes it
[20:14] <barry> yeah, i can do *that* in a dozen lines of python :)
[20:14] <asac> multithreading and crashing badly in a hard to reproduce manner? :)
[20:14] <asac> hehe
[20:15] <asac> i can do that too i guess
[20:15] <barry> :)
[20:15] <barry> i think that's the definition of multi*
[20:18] <sergiusens> barry: right, (wrt check_for_update), that's why I asked asac if udm deadlocked
[20:21] <asac> so what really makes no sense to me is that it recovered
[20:21] <asac> when new image was there
[20:21] <asac> very strange... i am sure that points to something "half done" that some other part doesnt recover to continue
[20:21] <asac> if that fails
[20:21] <ogra_> wow, the scope performance got really bad in the latest image
[20:21] <ogra_> Saviq, is that known ?
[20:22] <sergiusens> asac: I'll try to mock/reproduce your problem and see if I can come up with something with just dbus calls
[20:22] <asac> sergiusens: barry: anyway, thanks for help. i will bookmark my paste
[20:22] <asac> rebooting into 93
[20:22] <ogra_> Sarvatt, if i swipe sideways into music (or back to my apps) the swipe is only processed like 1/2 sec later
[20:22] <asac> sergiusens: only if you have an idea i guess
[20:22] <ogra_> argh
[20:22] <asac> sergiusens: its scary as we want to be damn sure we can ship updates
[20:22] <barry> asac: cool
[20:22] <asac> and users get it in reasonable time
[20:22] <ogra_> sorry Sarvatt, that was for Saviq
[20:22] <asac> barry: well, not happy about the outcome really :/
[20:23] <asac> but what can i do
[20:23] <asac> i think we have the logs
[20:23] <asac> that might give hints
[20:23] <barry> asac: yep
[20:23] <asac> barry: can i file the bug somewhere?
[20:23] <sergiusens> asac: file it against u-d-m
[20:23] <barry> sergiusens: i concur
[20:24] <asac> sergiusens: do we file against package or upstrema project?
[20:24] <barry> asac: for udm it looks like there are bugs in both.
[20:24] <sergiusens> asac: package these days
[20:24] <barry> asac, sergiusens for si, please file against the upstream project.  if you file against the ubuntu package, i'm just going to retarget it anyway ;)
[20:25] <ogra_> my device feels worse than maguro :(((
[20:25] <sergiusens> barry ack
[20:25] <sergiusens> barry: it's not easy to ubuntu-bug on rtm anymore anyways ;-)
[20:25] <barry> sergiusens: ;)
[20:26] <chrisc> answring my one question above - restarting lightdm fixed the login screen problem
[20:26] <barry> sergiusens: fwiw, the only bugs i leave on the package are those that are specifically packaging issues, i.e. debian/* stuff
[20:26] <barry> (e.g. adding or updated dep-8 tests)
[20:26] <chrisc> s/answring my one/answering my own/
[20:28] <mhall119> has anybody else has problems downloading updates in RTM r4?
[20:28] <nik90> mhall119: log out of your u1 account and relogin
[20:29] <chrisc> not me, i'm running devel
[20:29] <nik90> mhall119: recently everyone had to do that...service side issue I think
[20:29] <mhall119> thanks nik90, I thought it might be something like that
[20:30] <asac> sergiusens: barry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-download-manager/+bug/1379025
[20:30] <asac> sergiusens: assigned it to you as explained in comment feel free to unassign once you have checked your mock idea etc.
[20:30] <asac> thanks
[20:30] <sergiusens> asac: I was planning to only subscribe, but fair enough :)
[20:31] <barry> asac: subscribed
[20:31] <mhall119> nik90: works now, thanks agian
[20:32] <nik90> mhall119: cool, yw
[20:32] <asac> slangasek: barry: sergiusens: beyond this bug, if anyone has ideas what we could do to ensure we have a bullet proof updating story, dont hold ideas back :P
[20:34] <barry> asac, slangasek, sergiusens: mpt opened a bug and i believe put it on the agenda for the dc sprint.  yep, i am thinking about it
[21:21] <vitimiti> Hi


[00:14] <utu-san> hi guys..looks like we are missing oxugen-cursor-theme for 4.9?
[00:14] <utu-san> oxygen*
[00:16] <utu-san> Candidate: 0.0.2012-06-kde4.8-2ubuntu1
[00:17] <utu-san>  kde-workspace-data depends on oxygen-cursor-theme
[00:36] <utu-san> forced kde-workspace-data and seems to be working with that oxygen-cursor-theme issue.  however apt-get will be complaining bec of that
[00:37] <utu-san> looks like it's not in ppa:backports either
[05:30] <Tm_T> sooo I decided I go and try finalize the upgrade: http://paste.kde.org/527540/
[05:30] <Tm_T> there seems to be dependency conflicts
[05:33] <Tm_T> I could go on and force those, but I suppose this is not expected?
[05:47] <ScottK> If sudo apt-get -f install will fix it, then it should be fine.
[06:24] <Tm_T> ScottK: that output is from apt-get install -f (:
[06:24] <Tm_T> so no it doesn't fix
[06:24] <ScottK> Oh.
[06:25] <ScottK> Try removing kde-runtime-dbg and then apt-get -f install again.
[06:29] <Tm_T> hmmm
[06:30] <Tm_T> does not let me remove it cleanly, pretty much as I suspected
[06:31] <Tm_T> I wonder if this is just me (and I should stop complaining) or something that will affect others too
[06:34] <ScottK> sudo apt-get -f remove kde-runtime-dbg
[06:34] <ScottK> Dunno.
[06:34] <ScottK> Since you've got a bunch of i386 autoremove packages, I have a suspicion this may be multiarch related and not related to KDE stuff.
[06:35] <Tm_T> ScottK: I don't see arch-related errors though
[06:35] <ScottK> True, but the dependency resolver may be getting confused somehow.
[06:35] <Tm_T> if this is just me, I can easily sort this for myself, but then if this is something more widespread, by forcing things forward I shut myself out of testing
[06:36] <ScottK> I think we need to narrow it down a bit to see.
[06:37] <Tm_T> hmm, autoremove ofcourse doesn't work without forcing either, also none of those multiarch-related packages are involved
[06:37] <Tm_T> so I highly doubt it would be affecting any way
[06:37] <Tm_T> atleast as far as I can see it (:
[06:40] <ScottK> The problem with the removal is you're stuck in the middle.
[06:41] <ScottK> The multiarch may have to do with why it got confused and landed you there.
[06:41] <ScottK> Were you able to remove the -dbg?
[06:43] <Tm_T> yup, with force-depends, let's see how it goes now
[06:43] <Tm_T> ah, aand then removing multiple dbg packages and then retry
[06:44] <Tm_T> to avoid forcing, removed like this: "sudo dpkg --remove kde-runtime-dbg kdebase-runtime-dbg kde-workspace-dbg calligra-dbg kdemultimedia-dbg"
[06:45] <Tm_T> http://paste.kde.org/527558/
[06:46] <Tm_T> so hmmm, if I go this route, I might have to remove quite a lot
[06:46] <ScottK> What happens if you sudo apt-get -f install kde-runtime-data
[06:47] <ScottK> That seems like the one that's the key to get upgraded.
[06:48] <ScottK> shadeslayer: kdenetwork wants to build-dep on telepathy-qt for some kind of bindings.  You might want to have a look and see if we need a new binary.
[06:53] <ScottK> test building the last KDE 4.8.5 package now ...
[06:59] <Tm_T> ScottK: apt-get install takes either packages or -f, it doesn't apply both (:
[06:59] <ScottK> OK.
[06:59] <ScottK> Then try it without the -f
[07:00] <Tm_T> "E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)."
[07:01] <Tm_T> "dpkg --install --force-depends kde-runtime-data" would make difference
[07:01] <Tm_T> but it doesn't necessarily help explaining why this happens
[07:04] <ScottK> The newer version of -runtime-data shouldn't have the conflict the current one does.
[07:04] <ScottK> not sure why it doesn't get pulled in though.
[07:22] <jussi> o/
[07:47] <Tm_T> ScottK: ahha
[07:47] <Tm_T> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-runtime-data_4%3a4.9.0-0ubuntu1~precise1~ppa1_all.deb (--install): trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/runnermodel/qmldir', which is also in package plasma-active 2.0+git2012021101-0ubuntu4~ppa3
[07:48] <Tm_T> when trying to install it manually
[07:49] <Tm_T> I assume plasma-active isn't supported, so conflicts with it is "my bad"?
[07:51] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[07:51]  * ScottK looks
[07:51] <ScottK> No it is.  That's a legit bug.
[07:52] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[07:52] <ScottK> (he uploaded it, hopefully he'll be awake soon to fix since I really need to go to sleep)
[08:20] <Tm_T> ScottK: thanks for help on tracing this (:
[08:34] <Riddell> yeah that should be fixed
[09:00] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1032541] Panel autohide doesn't work any more @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1032541 (by Uqbar)
[09:55] <Riddell> Quintasan_: have you tried fcitx?
[11:50] <Riddell> whee http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.9
[11:54] <apol> jtechidna: JontheEchidna: The reason for the warnings is the KExtendableItemDelegate
[11:55] <apol> it uses those roles during ::sizeHint
[11:58] <jtechidna> aah
[11:59] <jtechidna> apol: oh, there's also the ActiveRole, which shows when a resource is involved in an active transaction so the delegate can show a progress bar.
[11:59] <apol> jtechidna: why do you even need to call KExtendableItemDelegate::sizeHint(option, index)?
[12:01] <apol> wait, patch coming
[12:30] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:38] <apol> jtechidna: well, the thing is that QStyledItemDelegate is requesting these roles
[12:38] <apol> jtechidna: then those were being reported as empty by ::data
[12:39] <apol> jtechidna: so QStyledItemDelegate was printing plenty of empty text
[12:39] <apol> which is something really ugly, honestly :P
[12:39] <jtechidna> I see
[12:39] <apol> jtechidna: I'll do a quick hack for the moment so that those are not returned, but I think you should fix that...
[12:39] <apol> the UI will be faster too
[12:42] <jtechidna> so the delegate is requesting random empty roles?
[12:42] <apol> jtechidna: http://paste.opensuse.org/54801109
[12:42] <apol> try this
[12:42] <apol> not random, but the standard
[12:43] <jtechidna> and it shouldn't be requesting the standard roles?
[12:43] <apol> for the text, you use custom roles instead of the standard Qt::DisplayRole and so
[12:43] <apol> well
[12:43] <apol> it's not very interesting to have the UI painting empty data
[12:43] <apol> jtechidna: please check the patch out ;)
[12:46] <jtechidna> wow
[12:46] <jtechidna> haha
[12:46] <apol> yes
[12:46] <jtechidna> so even though I'm doing custom painting, it's still painting the normal delegate under?
[12:47] <apol> yes
[12:47] <apol> because you call KExtendedBlah::paint who calls QStyledItemDelegate::paint
[12:47] <apol> and this one does that
[12:49] <jtechidna> apol: so the solution is to just not call that since I'm doing all the painting manually, yes?
[12:49] <apol> jtechidna: well, I've tried to do that, then there's the extended part of the delegate that isn't painted
[12:49] <jtechidna> oh, hm
[12:49] <apol> jtechidna: I'll merge the split branch ok?
[12:50] <jtechidna> apol: Oh, I forgot to tell you, but that branch makes the Muon Package Manager lose some actions in the toolbar/menus
[12:52] <jtechidna> apol_: lose connection?
[12:53] <apol> nope
[12:53] <apol> I opened the laptop :P
[12:54] <apol> jtechidna: oh ok
[12:54] <apol> I'll look into this now
[12:54] <apol> jtechidna: can you tell me which?
[12:54] <jtechidna> uuh, sec. gotta compile that branch now
[12:55] <apol> thanks a lot :P
[12:56] <apol> uh
[12:56] <apol> I get the warnings too
[12:57] <jtechidna> for MPM: http://paste.kde.org/527732/
[12:57] <jtechidna> and for the update manager: http://paste.kde.org/527738/
[12:57] <apol> ok great
[12:58] <apol> I'll go have lunch and fix it later
[12:58] <apol> jtechidna: any other thing? :P
[12:58] <jtechidna> apol: openMarkings, saveMarkings, and that setActions warning for muon-installer
[12:58] <jtechidna> but I haven't noticed anything else that's broken
[13:01] <apol> ok
[13:01] <apol> thanks
[13:44] <tsdgeos> agateau: can you please fix homerun Messages.sh ?
[13:48] <apol> jtechidna: i think it's fixed now
[13:48] <apol> jtechidna: I'll merge ok?
[13:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: anything I can help test-wise on proceeding with the dependency/file conflict that was discussed this morning?
[13:55] <agateau> tsdgeos: on my todo
[13:56] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I've heard about that somewhere, will look into it today :)
[14:02] <apachelogger_> 9.8 GiB (98.07%) of 10.0 GiB
[14:02] <apachelogger_> we should clean up backports soonishy
[14:03] <apachelogger_> OTOH we only have oneiric and precise backports in there, so perhaps we need to request a limit bump
[14:04] <apachelogger_> that is pretty close for 2 releases, if 4.10 grows in icons just a bit we hit the limit with quantal+precise
[14:07] <Riddell> Tm_T: I added a conflicts now
[14:07] <Riddell> apachelogger_: I think we should just delete oneiric, that's what we normally do
[14:08] <apachelogger_> *shrug*
[14:08] <apachelogger_> IMHO it is nice to have them available for 2 stables
[14:08] <apachelogger_> e.g. if precise does not work for someone they can continue to use oneiric with not entirely dated KDE until precise does or quantal gets released
[14:12] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Look at configure from the last kdenetwork upload for a start.
[14:12] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:16] <jtechidna> apol: go ahead
[14:16] <jtechidna> (sorry, I had an apointment I forgot about until the last minute)
[14:18] <apol> no worries
[14:22] <utu-san> no fix yet for oxygen-cursor-theme?
[14:22] <utu-san> update-alternatives: using /etc/X11/cursors/oxy-white.theme to provide /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme (x-cursor-theme) in auto mode
[14:23] <utu-san> update-alternatives: error: error creating symbolic link `/usr/share/icons/default/index.theme.dpkg-tmp': No such file or directory
[14:23] <utu-san> daily build manifest - oxygen-cursor-theme	0.0.2012-06-kde4.8-2ubuntu1
[14:27] <Riddell> utu-san: now that's a stange one
[14:29] <utu-san> I got this errors since yesterday, and I have to force install kde-workspace-data to complete install
[14:29] <utu-san> at least have someone take a look and maybe bump the version to 4.9 as well for consistency?
[14:30] <debfx> utu-san: please open a bug report about that, preferably from apport
[14:31] <Riddell> ag hah, now default/ directory in the update debfx did to oxygen-cursor-theme
[14:31] <utu-san> everything seems working ok but apt-get is alwasy complaining when it tries to set up the incomplete install
[14:32] <Riddell> utu-san: sudo mkdir /usr/share/icons/default  is the workaround
[14:32] <utu-san> Riddell: ok let me try
[14:33] <Riddell> debfx: easy enough fix, debian/dirs should be debian/oxygen-cursor-theme.dirs, I'll test and upload
[14:34] <utu-san> Riddell: you are the man.  thanks a lot
[14:37] <utu-san> Riddell: it's really strange that I'm the only one affected?
[14:37] <Riddell> vHanda: do you have an opinion on this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-August/006330.html
[14:37] <Riddell> utu-san: nah I've seen it
[14:38] <vHanda> Riddell: yeah, this probably slipped passed us
[14:38] <vHanda> though I'm not sure where the symbol is being used
[14:38] <vHanda> lemme see
[14:39] <vHanda> Riddell: I'm confused, who need the nmm:albumArtist ?
[14:40] <vHanda> *needs
[14:40] <Riddell> vHanda: I don't now, it just got posted to our mailing list
[14:40] <debfx> Riddell: good catch, interestingly dpkg keeps /usr/share/icons/default in my upgrade tests
[14:41] <Riddell> vHanda: but that's a common enough tag to have in mp3 files, seems reasonable to index it
[14:42] <vHanda> yes, but the indexer code is in strigi and that doesn't have anything to do with kdelibs or sdo
[14:43] <vHanda> so I'm not sure how/why that person is getting the error
[14:43] <vHanda> it can't be while compiling kdelibs
[14:45] <Riddell> vHanda: oh the thread doesn't have anything to do with the patch request
[14:45] <Riddell> the patch request was just posted randomly to it
[14:53]  * debfx has a new favorite unicode symbol: smiling cat face with heart-shaped eyes
[14:53] <debfx> 😻
[14:54] <vHanda> Riddell: I'm sorry, I'm still fairly confused.
[14:58] <Riddell> debfx: not in my font alas
[14:58] <jtechidna> They should get the Canonical font guy on that right away :P
[14:59] <Riddell> vHanda: a user posted that to the list as a proposed patch we apply, that's about all there is to it
[14:59] <debfx> weird, I thought fontconfig falls back to another font if the current one doesn't have the symbol
[15:00] <vHanda> ahhh
[15:00] <vHanda> I thought they were some linker errors or something
[15:00] <Riddell> debfx: presumably none of my fonts have smiling cat face with heart-shaped eyes
[15:00] <Riddell> vHanda: no ignore that stuff
[15:00] <Riddell> separate topic
[15:01] <vHanda> Riddell: I actually need to bring up the discussion of nmm:albumArtist on the mailing list
[15:01] <vHanda> some people aren't going to like it
[15:01] <vHanda> but it needs to be discussed
[15:01] <vHanda> but go ahead, ship it
[15:01] <vHanda> you don't even need to recompile kdelibs
[15:01] <vHanda> the new symbol doesn't matter
[15:03] <Riddell> jtechidna: canonical font guy is currently dossing around central europe avoiding doing much
[15:04] <ScottK> Riddell: If you were using our default IRC client it'd have displayed fine.
[15:04] <Riddell> oh it could well be a problem with my server, it doesn't do unicode right enough
[15:04] <Riddell> the server is owned by the canonical font guy, this might be ironic I'm not sure
[15:11] <agateau> tsdgeos: how can I test Messages.sh by hand?
[15:11] <tsdgeos> reading my bloc
[15:11] <tsdgeos> -c+g
[15:12] <Riddell> agateau: run extract-messages.sh ?
[15:12] <agateau> tsdgeos: ah, I read the techbase doc, my bad :)
[15:13] <agateau> Riddell: where is it to be found?
[15:13] <Riddell> agateau: pkg-kde-tools
[15:13] <tsdgeos> agateau: i'm pretty sure it's documented there too
[15:13] <tsdgeos> http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Localization/i18n_Build_Systems#Extracting_and_merging_messages
[15:13] <tsdgeos>  Messages.sh, which is invoked by a script called extract-messages.sh
[15:14] <agateau> yes I saw that (proof: last edits are from me), but it misses the place where one can get extract-messages.sh
[15:17] <tsdgeos> agateau: lxr.kde.org to the rescue?
[15:17] <tsdgeos> hmm
[15:18] <tsdgeos> doesn't work as well as i though
[15:18] <agateau> yep :/
[15:18] <tsdgeos> l10n-kde/scripts
[15:18] <agateau> thanks, going to add a link to it in the docs
[15:19] <agateau> found it in l10n-kde4/scripts, yeah
[15:19] <tsdgeos> agateau: http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com.es/2010/08/how-to-run-messagessh-file-to-create.html
[15:22] <agateau> tsdgeos: ok, updating the doc now
[15:22] <tsdgeos> note
[15:23] <tsdgeos> that there's no need for you to run it
[15:23] <tsdgeos> scripty does it
[15:23] <agateau> yes, but I don't like to commit blindly
[15:23] <tsdgeos> and your Messages.sh should be simple enough
[15:23] <tsdgeos> if it gets complicated
[15:23] <tsdgeos> bad :D
[15:24] <agateau> I am going to need to extract strings from a rc file
[15:26] <tsdgeos> how do you inject them back?
[15:27] <tsdgeos> or it's a ui.rc file?
[15:32] <agateau> it's not done yet
[15:32] <agateau> updated the doc
[15:33]  * ScottK is officially confused by the kalzium FTBFS on arm*
[15:34] <Riddell> ScottK: maybe a lack of avogadro?
[16:08] <ScottK> Riddell: 4.8.90 built and it didn't have it either.
[16:09] <ScottK> I compared the build logs and I can't figure anything. I didn't diff the package though.
[16:21] <Riddell> hum
[16:28] <Riddell> ScottK: oh it's just the version no libscience.so.4.9.0 vs libscience.so.4.8.0
[16:28] <ScottK> So why just on arm*?
[16:29] <Riddell> the others built before the new kdelibs I'd guess
[16:29] <ScottK> Oh, that'd do it.
[16:30] <Riddell> do you want to fix or shall I?
[16:38] <ScottK> Please go ahead.
[17:12] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I hope you weren't looking at build logs manuall
[17:12] <shadeslayer> *manually
[17:13] <ScottK> shadeslayer: In what context?
[17:13] <shadeslayer> because iirc me and yofel wrote a script for PN that prints out the cmake output for every package
[17:13] <shadeslayer> ScottK: optional build deps
[17:13] <yofel> didn't debfx integrate that into his pkg status website generation script?
[17:13] <ScottK> What I was doing was watching it scroll by when I was building 4.8.5.  That got me to look at a few packages and write the email.
[17:13] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[17:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: dunno
[17:14] <yofel> iirc he added something similiar at least
[17:14] <ScottK> Quintasan_: Are you fixing kimpanel in Quantal?
[17:14] <debfx> yes!
[17:14] <debfx> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-automation/view/head:/cmake-ignore.json
[17:14] <shadeslayer> debfx: is that automagically generated?
[17:15] <debfx> shadeslayer: no, it's a list of exceptions
[17:15] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[17:15] <ScottK> Okular in that list is fixed.
[17:15] <debfx> i.e. dependencies we don't use on purpose
[17:17] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:17] <shadeslayer>  [kubuntu-dev] a11y - ditch kaccessible: TODO
[17:17] <ScottK> Any idea why we don't use polkit-qt for pykde4?
[17:18] <Riddell> ScottK: at some point, it didn't compile
[17:18] <ScottK> OK.
[17:18] <Riddell> ScottK: in favour of ati
[17:18] <ScottK> debfx: kdenetwork has optional build-deps that we don't use and isn't on that list.
[17:18] <debfx> ScottK: do we really want to use chmlib? it has a bad security record and is not very maintained
[17:19] <ScottK> There's user demand for it.
[17:20] <ScottK> I see two CVEs in 5 years.  That's not horrible.
[17:23] <snele> hi guys. where can I find picture of kubuntu logo (kubuntu letters+logo) without backround?
[17:23] <jocarter> snele: wikipedia
[17:24] <debfx> ScottK: also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chmlib/+bug/236113/comments/2
[17:24] <jocarter> snele: that's where I usually find all my logos these days, at least :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kubuntu-logo-lucid.svg
[17:24] <snele> jocarter: thank you :)
[17:25] <shadeslayer> ScottK: basically, adding tp-qt to kdenetwork gives krdc the ability to use telepathy tubes
[17:25] <shadeslayer> i.e. desktop sharing using your contacts in KDE Telepathy
[17:25] <ScottK> Do we want that?
[17:25] <shadeslayer> upstream says it's stable
[17:26] <shadeslayer> needs a bit of testing however
[17:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: seems reasonable to me, I've tested it before from George's PPA
[17:27] <shadeslayer> and it worked fine
[17:27] <ScottK> debfx: It does look a bit dead upstream.
[17:55] <debfx> ScottK: kdenetwork seems to be the only package where the cmake ignore file is outdated
[17:57] <ScottK> OK.
[17:58] <shadeslayer> snele: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtwork
[17:59] <snele> shadeslayer: thank you!
[17:59] <shadeslayer> snele: you're welcome :)
[18:00] <Riddell> snele: what's it for?
[18:01] <snele> Riddell: I found really easy way to make chromium/chrome theme (to match my colour scheme). I will add kubuntu branding at the bottom right corner
[18:03] <Riddell> I think rekonq just needs themes to make it popular :)
[18:04] <ScottK> Security support for Qtwebkit would be nice too.
[18:04] <ScottK> Who's the KDE maintainer for Okular?
[18:08] <debfx> ScottK: afaik tsdgeos
[18:08] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:08] <snele> Riddell, all: I think it looks nice, simple and well integrated: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/1W/UK/1cvGHdWA/snapshot77.png
[18:09] <snele> http://www.dodaj.rs/f/1G/C2/aniO5Pp/snapshot80.png
[18:09] <snele> of course it can be done for oxygen theme and default colour scheme :)
[19:47] <Daskreech> anyone minds me adding the kubuntu 4.9 blog to the #kubuntu topic ?
[19:55] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: kubuntu 4.9 blog?
[19:55] <Daskreech> that's it available
[19:55] <Daskreech> on kubuntu.org
[19:55] <shadeslayer> oh, you meant from kubuntu.org
[19:55] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: please go ahead
[19:56] <shadeslayer> hmm .. maybe the installer should have a checkbox that says "Enroll me in a faster KDE update/backport cycle"
[19:57] <shadeslayer> and then if the user checks that, the installer add's the PPA
[19:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^ random thought
[19:58] <micahg> shadeslayer: enabling PPAs from the archive is a no-no
[19:58] <shadeslayer> not from the archive, from the installer
[19:58] <micahg> shadeslayer: installer is in the archive :P
[19:59] <shadeslayer> oh .. right ...
[19:59] <shadeslayer> maybe a simple prompt after installing?
[20:00] <shadeslayer> like we do for flash and codecs
[20:01] <micahg> those are in multiverse
[20:01] <micahg> (codecs should be all in universe at this point I think)
[20:01] <ScottK> Or flash is in partner.
[20:02] <ScottK> Which is technically not part of the Ubuntu archive, but it's certainly not a PPA.
[20:02] <micahg> ScottK: no, it installs from multiverse, not partner
[20:02] <micahg> multiverse happens to pull the tarball from partner...
[20:02] <ScottK> Isn't that the installer?
[20:03] <ScottK> Yes, two stage process, but you still get there.
[20:03] <micahg> well, no, you can get flash without partner enabled
[20:04] <ScottK> Right, but it's still code from outside the archive.
[20:04] <micahg> yeah
[20:05] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:08] <ScottK> But it's Flash.  If you're installing that, you're asking for trouble already.
[20:10] <shadeslayer> what the
[20:10] <shadeslayer> zsh-beta is older than zsh? 0.o
[20:12] <micahg> zsh 5.0 was released :), zsh-beta should be removed IMHO
[20:13] <Daskreech> shadeslayer: do I need to poke someone?
[20:13] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: for?
[20:13] <shadeslayer> oh, /topic updating?
[20:13] <Daskreech> topic change ?
[20:13] <shadeslayer> idk who has rights on that channel
[20:13] <Daskreech> Can I set it somewheer and have it flagged?
[20:16] <shadeslayer> possibly jussi can do that
[20:17]  * shadeslayer can't remember how to find ops for a channel and for some reason chanserv help doesn't list it too
[20:17] <shadeslayer> micahg: I think zsh has a regression :P
[20:18] <shadeslayer> for eg. it had a feature that when you typed 'a' and pressed the up arrow key, it completed to the last command that started with 'a'
[20:18] <shadeslayer> I can't reproduce it with zsh-beta
[20:21] <ScottK> qtmobility FTBFS fixed, btw.
[20:22] <shadeslayer> ScottK: should I also enable gadu gadu? Or since we're dropping kopete, kill of any chances of using gadu gadu with kopete
[20:22] <shadeslayer> ( re kdenetwork )
[20:23] <ScottK> Gadu is already enabled, isn't it?
[20:23] <ScottK> We're dropping it from the default install, not from the archive.
[20:23] <shadeslayer> don't think so, lemme check again
[20:24] <ScottK> For kdenetwork, my upload has the same stuff enabled that Debian did.
[20:24] <Daskreech> apachelogger_: ping
[20:24] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://paste.kde.org/528134/
[20:24] <ScottK> I'm guessing they didn't do telepathy on purpose, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't.
[20:24] <Daskreech> or jussi
[20:24] <shadeslayer> right
[20:25] <Daskreech> can I get the topic in #kubuntu changed to "Official Kubuntu support | FAQ: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ | Pastes: http://paste.kde.org | Chat in #kubuntu-offtopic | Guidelines: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IRC/Guidelines | Kmail users read this before upgrading: http://bit.ly/o841iy | 12.04 LTS http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-release | KDE 4.9 available http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.9"
[20:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I'd say add it or ask Quintasan_ .  IIRC gadu is big in Poland.
[20:25] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:25] <shadeslayer> ok this is weird
[20:26] <shadeslayer> ScottK: my build log says gadu is not pulled in, build log from buildd says it's installed
[20:26] <shadeslayer> what the actual hell? 0.o
[20:28] <shadeslayer> so, it's not pulld in explicitly ( according to debian/control )
[20:28] <shadeslayer> bah, scratch taht
[20:28] <shadeslayer> wrong spelling of gadu
[20:32] <shadeslayer> *grumble* stupid VPS being ultra slow
[20:34] <Daskreech> or Riddell if you have time
[20:41] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: you'll probably have to wait till Monday
[20:41] <Daskreech> v_v


[11:29] <tsimonq2> balloons: whoops, forgot to respond to you yesterday, yeah, what kinda script? :)
[13:01] <flocculant> tsimonq2: nvm - I'm looking now :)
[13:03] <tsimonq2> aww :P
[13:04] <flocculant> tsimonq2: :)
[13:05] <tsimonq2> heh
[13:05] <tsimonq2> I'm fine, I just wanted to see what it was :D
[13:06] <flocculant> we're moving the git setup tracker script to launchpad - making some notes, setting it to use localhost
[13:06] <flocculant> and stuff
[13:08] <tsimonq2> oh cool
[22:46] <hggdh> anyone having problems with apt-get update failing on dep11 files with 403?
[23:06] <hggdh> never mind, seems to be related tousing apt-cacher-ng. Bypassed, will look at a-cacher-ng now


[00:04] <flaccid> oh and thanks for the debian images, erichammond , much appredciated :)
[00:04] <flaccid> -d
[00:06] <flaccid> erichammond: are you going to do regular re-bundles with purely the deb updates by any chance ?
[00:12] <erichammond> flaccid: Could you rephrase that question?  I'm not sure I know what you mean.
[00:13] <flaccid> erichammond: so do a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (or dist-upgrade) then re-bundle it like http://alestic.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?search=bundle&IncludeBlogs=1&limit=20
[00:13] <flaccid> essentially just creating an up-2-date AMI
[00:14] <erichammond> flaccid: Yes, I regularly release updated AMIs for Ubuntu and Debian and they always include the latest package updates.
[00:15] <erichammond> I tend to do this every month or two, not on a fixed schedule.
[00:15] <flaccid> ooo, let me just check that again :)
[00:15] <flaccid> ok thanks for the detail
[00:15] <erichammond> The last set of images were released 2009-08-04
[00:16] <flaccid> erichammond:  so is that Debian 5.0 Lenny	ami-ff46a796	ami-2d46a74      ami-fd46a794    ami-2b46a742  on your homepage ?
[00:16] <erichammond> To get notified of new releases, join the ec2ubuntu Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/ec2ubuntu
[00:17] <flaccid> ah yep did that yesterday. but is the one above the latest one you mentioned or is that somewhere else ?
[00:21] <flaccid> wb
[00:22] <erichammond> flaccid: Yes, the latest releases are listed on http://alestic.com
[00:22] <flaccid> so wouldn't that 5.01 not 5.00 ?
[00:23] <flaccid> actually 5.03 atm
[00:24] <erichammond> flaccid: I just say "5.0".  I don't know what that implies in the Debian world as I don't use Debian.  Perhaps I should just say "5"
[00:26] <flaccid> erichammond: well if you check lsb_release , you will see it is at Description: Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 (lenny). if you advised this version number and also the just recorded the date on your site, i would much appreciate it. keep in mind users new to the site atm will see 5 and assume its not updated
[00:29] <flaccid> seeing that it is at a certain point release and the date is much helpful
[00:30] <erichammond> flaccid: You can see the date it was built by looking at the AMI manifest using ec2-describe-images or equivalent.
[00:31] <erichammond> On many of them, you can click through to see the documentation on Amazon's web site and read the "History" section for the latest changes and release date.
[00:31] <flaccid> yeah, but if you noted this on the website, users would not have to do that. and i guess in terms of the point release they would have to use the AMI first. its a lot just to find out these two things
[00:31] <erichammond> flaccid: Understood, and I appreciate the suggestion.
[00:32] <flaccid> but will you implement the suggestion ? :)
[00:32] <erichammond> flaccid: It goes into the list of requests and gets prioritized :)
[00:32] <flaccid> ok nps!
[00:33] <erichammond> flaccid: Short answer: not for a while, if ever
[00:34] <flaccid> well atm technically http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry.jspa?externalID=1615&categoryID=101 is wrong because if it was updated on 2009-08-04 it would probably be 5.03, not 5.01 ... i wouldn't think that this change would take much time to action..
[00:35] <erichammond> Each time I build new images, there are about 50 AMIs involved.  It takes a lot of work to update all of the existing documentation and I'm doing this in my spare time.
[00:35] <erichammond> flaccid: Where do you see "5.01"?
[00:35] <flaccid> sorry that was meant to to be 5.0
[00:36] <flaccid> ok understood y0
[00:36] <erichammond> flaccid: So here is where I might be misunderstanding Debian lingo: Would "5.0" not include the entire 5.0.0, 5.0.1, 5.0.2, 5.0.3 series?
[00:37] <erichammond> In Ubuntu, I consider 8.04 to include 8.04.1
[00:37] <flaccid> this is a point of contention
[00:37] <erichammond> I see.  Well I guess I know which camp I fall in :)
[00:38] <erichammond> flaccid: Do folks say "Debian 5" to mean the whole series?
[00:38] <flaccid> true true
[00:38] <flaccid> i think its a mix of both sides
[00:40] <flaccid> if you could just mention the current point release in addition to eg. Debian 5.0 Lenny with upgraded packages (as of 2009-08-04) in the future, i'll be very happy with that..
[00:40] <flaccid> like Debian 5.0 Lenny with upgraded packages to 5.0.3 (as of 2009-08-04)
[00:41] <flaccid> that clearly shows where its at
[00:42] <flaccid> the version numbering follows the GNU standard and is referred to as an update or point release
[00:42] <flaccid> Wikipedia says: Latest update 5.0.3 was released 2009-09-05 , so i guess your latest is actually probably 5.0.2, so you are just 1 point/update behind..
[02:13] <pting> i'm using nginx + php-fpm behind an amazon lb... how do i forward the real ip to php with the fastcgi_param?
[02:48] <pting> nvm, i figured it out... fastcgi_param myvar $http_x_forwarded_for


[02:28] <zer0day> hello guys paano ko po ba malaman yung mga di dapat ma add na mga repositories?
[02:33] <zer0day>  hello everyone i just newly installed the metasploit .exe in ubuntu and im encountering errors because eventhough i typed msfconsole in the terminal the gui of metasploit is not showing , or some pop-ups message plus the localhost that im connecting in ssl port is not secure , knowing that port was provided or have been set as a default by the metasploit program .exe format
[02:42] <zer0day> mga tol


[19:18] <Unit193> micahg: 1592205 in case you didn't see. :P
[19:19] <Unit193> Logan: I had updated 1593428 with more output, anything else needed?


[00:08] <rrr> hello again, I can't seem to get network-manager to create an wireless network through my new wifi card. Which does connect to wireless networks ok and hostapd worked too. I would like to make a "hotspot" rather than a "ad-hoc" network. Can someone point me in the right direction?
[18:08] <rrr> I am having some difficulty configuring network-manager to create a wifi hotspot. I can use hostapd and dnsmasq but I much prefer to manage it with the gui, well, I don't know either way would be good. However network-manager appears to fail to establish the wireless completely. It might work with ad-hoc mode but that doesn't connect in my case because android devices don't like them, I suspect. Can I try anything?
[18:09] <gnrp> rrr: This is not really a xubuntu- nor xfce-specific issue. You're probably more successful in another channel like #ubuntu


[03:38] <troy_s> 50 MESSAGES?!?!?
[03:38] <troy_s> _MMA_: Ping
[03:45] <_MMA_> hahahaha
[06:17] <DanaG> <chirping crickets>
[08:43] <LostOverThere> so...
[09:34] <coz_> good day all
[09:35] <coz_> I thought I would resume my logging in to #ubuntu-artwork after some time of absence:)
[19:16] <_MMA_> hahahahaha. The mailing list ground to a screechin' halt after the "Let's get something done!" post.
[19:19] <thorwil> today i considered unsubscribing
[19:20] <_MMA_> I'm this >< close.
[19:21] <_MMA_> I'm thinking about proposing a moderated ubuntu-artwork-devel ML.
[19:21] <thorwil> _MMA_: i wondered about rules that could make the list meritocratic
[19:22] <_MMA_> Thing is, I doubt it would matter to the kids.
[19:22] <thorwil> seeing how low the niveau, is, the idea of moving to a forum is damn scary. sub-zero
[19:23] <thorwil> now that you say that, maybe have a forum as dummy-trap? ;>
[19:23] <_MMA_> It noise would be even greater.
[19:23] <_MMA_> haha. Would be mean to create something then ignore it.
[19:26] <thorwil> _MMA_: continued moderation would eat much time. maybe some invite-only scheme?
[19:26] <_MMA_> thorwil: In the end, there's a system. Kids are ignoring it. I'm at the "Get with it or get out." point.
[19:26] <_MMA_> thorwil: I don't know if the "invite-only" thing would fly on a Ubuntu ML.
[19:27] <thorwil> _MMA_: you can't kick people from the list. even asking to leave will be met with a very bad response
[19:29] <_MMA_> But a modded list can act as a "invite-only". In that your put on a white list.
[19:29] <thorwil> btw, strike artwork, apparently it's the ubuntu theming list. no response to nand
[19:29] <_MMA_> It's a little more work but can keep the noise down.
[19:29] <_MMA_> Im sorry. I don't get what you mean?
[19:30] <thorwil> _MMA_: the request for some brainstorm artwork
[19:31] <_MMA_> You're kinda right. Some things are handled outside of Ken or the list.
[19:31] <_MMA_> But Brainstorm is a community project and the list is the right place to talk about it's art.
[19:32] <thorwil> _MMA_: yes, i even wanted the request to go there ;)
[19:32] <_MMA_> But the lack of a response could be because of someone being busy.
[19:33] <kwwii> hi all, anyone who is interested can come by #ubuntu-classroom to see me make a fool of myself
[19:33] <kwwii> talking about the basics of the art team, and stuff like that
[19:33] <thorwil> kwwii: now i am interested ;)
[19:33] <_MMA_> This should be fun.
[19:33]  * _MMA_ puts on his hecklers hat.
[19:33] <thorwil> kwwii: don't forget to explain top posting :>
[19:34] <_MMA_> hehe
[19:44] <kwwii> I wish i could top post on an irc channel
[19:47] <_MMA_> hahaha
[19:48]  * _MMA_ turns hi laptop up-side-down.
[19:48] <_MMA_> *his
[19:51] <kwwii> just come in and ask simple questions to make it look like a lot of people are interested (but not very bright)
[19:53] <_MMA_> QUESTION: Brown Sux.
[19:55] <_MMA_> QUESTION: I've done nothing to help Ubuntu art and I don't have a creative bone in my body.  Have you read the C.O.C!?
[19:58] <thorwil> that kind of talking would have been so appropriate elsewhere :)
[19:59] <_MMA_> thorwil: Well I did call one guy out on it yesterday. People pull it out like is a friggin' police badge or something.  *Tell him...
[21:27] <d33d> I did?
[21:27] <_MMA_> I mistyped.  I need my fix.
[21:32] <Zelut> _MMA_: as I recall you had a steak on me, what, a week ago today?
[21:34] <_MMA_> 1) That was RedHat's dime and 2) I'm going through withdrawal. :P
[21:35] <Zelut> _MMA_: pfft. Well I don't have any plans on being out there for a while now. You'll have to make do.
[21:37] <Zelut> off to squash some bugs
[22:03] <Who_> Cory?
[22:04] <_MMA_> Who_ ID yourself so I can PM.
[22:04] <Who_> I have... I think
[22:04] <Who_> I'm not on my machine but this client asked me to... hold on


[00:33] <Azelphur> are there maverick packages in the mythbuntu ppa?
[00:34] <Azelphur> I upgraded to maverick and can't connect to the backend anymore because my front end is newer and the ppa doesn't appear to have any maverick D:
[00:42] <qwebirc90150> Hi anyone who's here. I was wondering if someone could help me with I hope a simple problem.
[00:42] <qwebirc90150> I'm trying to change the default sound device on my mythbuntu install to be a R4350 HDMI output
[01:00] <tgm4883> Azelphur, yea there should be
[01:00] <tgm4883> for 0.23.1 and 0.24(trunk)
[01:00] <Azelphur> I'm 0.23 D:
[01:01] <tgm4883> the minimum version for maverick is 0.23.1
[01:01] <tgm4883> you could upgrade your backend to 0.23.1
[01:01] <Azelphur> I see
[01:10] <qwebirc90150> anyone know how to set the default sound device in mythbuntu?
[01:55] <dewman> rhpot1991, did you get a chance to check that pastebin out?
[01:55] <dmfrey> Good evening all, i have been running into an issue lately...my media center remote control stops responding after a short while.  You can see in syslog lirc trying to connect every minute once this starts.  any ideas?
[01:57] <dmfrey> restarting lirc doesn't fix it, only option is to reboot
[01:59] <rhpot1991> dewman: yep, I need to try to find the original bug which I thought it was, config looked ok when I had a peek
[02:00] <rhpot1991> dmfrey: smells like hardware, but thats always my first guess
[02:04] <dmfrey> rhpot1991: how's it going?  yeah, my thoughts too
[02:05] <dmfrey> some people on the forum were saying that on some nvidia hardware, the mce usb receivers stop responding
[02:06] <dmfrey> not sure why it is happening all of sudden, though
[02:51] <dewman> rhpot1991, thanks....If you want I can attach it to report....
[02:51] <dewman> my.cnf that is.
[02:56] <dewman> i attached my.cnf and added mysql version as well. thanks. =)
[04:38] <CyberKnet> howdy folks.
[04:39] <CyberKnet> my root drive fell over this weekend (but not before I made a backup of the root partition).
[04:39] <CyberKnet> So I have the mysql database from the system... and a fresh install of mythbuntu.
[04:39] <CyberKnet> I followed instructions from http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/tips/migrate-recordings.html to move my recording db records from the old db to the new db
[04:39] <Zinn> [www.mythpvr.com] Migrate MythTV Recordings to a New Server | MythTV
[04:40] <CyberKnet> however they show up in mythweb but not the frontend
[04:40] <CyberKnet> I'm thinking a new table is needed since that guide was written... any thoughts?
[05:25] <CyberKnet> nvr mnd
[19:18] <rhpot1991> dewman: looks like some of the mysql guys are in on that bug now
[19:19] <dewman> cool. I havent checked it today.....
[19:20] <rhpot1991> bug 633725
[19:20] <Zinn> Bug 633725 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (Ubuntu) "mysql thread_stack parameter too low, causing usage problems." [Low, Incomplete] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/633725
[19:21] <rhpot1991> you can try bumping the thread_stack as mentioned in there in your my.cnf and then restart mysql and then reinstall mythexport and report back as to if it helps
[19:40] <dewman> ok i will try it first with 192,
[20:44] <rhpot1991> dewman: well it should be at 192 already
[20:44] <rhpot1991> ya it is, just checked your config
[20:46] <dewman> rhpot1991, ok, I havent had a chance to change it yet, wife is watching something.... since its at 192, I can go ahead and bump it to 256


[10:15] <mup> Bug #2036405 opened: cannot unlink subnet after commission <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2036405>
[10:18] <mup> Bug #2036405 changed: cannot unlink subnet after commission <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2036405>
[10:21] <mup> Bug #2036405 opened: cannot unlink subnet after commission <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2036405>


[09:56] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[17:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[17:29] <penguin42> ho
[17:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> h
[19:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> h
[19:42] <MooDoo> evening all
[19:43] <penguin42> Hey MooDoo
[19:43] <MooDoo> :)
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> weeeee!....stubborn sound fault resolved!
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> I had lost 1 channel of my externally powered stereo speakers...
[19:52] <penguin42> plug it in?
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> nope!
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> I ruled out software problem after findind same problem booting to ubuntu, ibuntu mate, solus and elementary [yes, I now have a quad boot sytem]..
[19:53] <SuperEngineer> I tried headphones in the pc socket and both chaneels worked.  Noe pc and s/w both ruled out...
[19:53] <SuperEngineer> tonight I decided it was a speakere prob and was about to swap the failed set with usb + 3.5mm set from redundant "quarentine pc"...
[19:54] <SuperEngineer> on physically removing primary of the externally powered speaker set something rather obvious was proved to be cause...
[19:54] <SuperEngineer> the 2 core stereo cable connecting the 2 speakers came out with primary speaker, nothing attached..
[19:55] <SuperEngineer> the rodent tooth marks in the cable were pretty obvious, problem resolved.  Not hardware, not software, but a RIF [rodent involed fault!]
[19:55] <penguin42> ah
[19:55] <SuperEngineer> ...expect to see links to pics of dead rodent on this channel if the sod ever tries it again!
[19:57] <SuperEngineer> Moral of this episode:  don't always blame s/w as cause of fault... check ya hardware thotoughly
[19:57] <SuperEngineer> ...and keep a baseball bat to hand [just in case]
[22:47] <daftykins> little bit concerned how long the above went on :P
[23:02] <penguin42> well, it's obvious the rodent has just taken out SuperEngineer's net connection....
[23:03] <daftykins> :D knew he'd gone
[23:44] <zmoylan-pi> he'll need to have insane reflexes to splat a rodent with a bat
[23:46] <penguin42> bat hit rat sat on hat?


[00:02] <djszapi> Keybuk: btw, I am not sure I understand your implementation
[00:03] <djszapi> I mean the bootlogd of the sysvinit is much longer.
[00:03] <djszapi> I understand you just open the /dev/kmsg up for writing, but... ;)
[00:04] <djszapi> http://svn.savannah.nongnu.org/viewvc/sysvinit/trunk/src/bootlogd.c?root=sysvinit&view=markup
[00:08] <Keybuk> right
[00:08] <Keybuk> bootlogd is a really complicated thing that never works
[00:08] <Keybuk> it *tries* to work by redirecting console output into itself with an ioctl
[00:08] <Keybuk> (assumedly into a tty)
[00:08] <Keybuk> and then buffering that output internally until a filesystem is available (by constantly trying to write)
[00:08] <Keybuk> and then finally once a filesystem is available, flushing out, and then carrying on writing
[00:08] <Keybuk> the thing is
[00:09] <Keybuk> bootlogd rarely works
[00:09] <Keybuk> because it relies on a whole massive stack of things that generally you don't have in the earliest phases of boot
[00:09] <Keybuk> so I cheated :p
[00:09] <Keybuk> my patch makes init stuff its output into the kernel's own log system
[00:09] <djszapi> rotfl ;)
[00:09] <Keybuk> (the same one that printk() uses in the kernel)
[00:09] <Keybuk> that's already buffered by the kernel
[00:09] <Keybuk> and you can change the size of that buffer on the command-line if it overflows
[00:10] <Keybuk> and there are well understood mechanisms for getting the data out (dmesg)
[00:10] <Keybuk> or for flushing and writing to files after (klogd)
[00:10] <Keybuk> etc.
[00:10] <Keybuk> the only thing it needs is /dev/kmsg, which tends to exist fairly early
[00:10] <Keybuk> thanks to devtmpfs :)
[00:10] <Keybuk> (where fairly early is before userspace)
[00:10] <djszapi> you might want to mention these information on the mailing list before others start asking or to just englighten others about the differences.
[00:11] <Keybuk> if people ask, I shall answer
[00:11] <djszapi> let me ask it there :P
[00:12] <djszapi> so it needs devtmpfs...mg.
[00:12] <djszapi> * I mean mmh
[00:12] <djszapi> so what happens before mounting that ?
[00:13] <djszapi> 'it *tries* to work by redirecting console output into itself with an ioctl' and 'bootlogd rarely works' -> sounds hilarious in a way ;)
[00:14] <djszapi> I mean it is so old stuff, I would expect it is quite stable.
[00:41] <SpamapS> Keybuk: could this same trick be used for bug #328881 ? or.. did I miss where you said thats the whole point?
[00:43] <SpamapS> Keybuk: I know the plan for that bug (logging job output) is to use a ring buffer inside upstart.. which I think would be preferrable..
[00:43] <Keybuk> djszapi: before that, it'll probably just fail to log
[00:43] <Keybuk> but since /dev will be one of the very first things you create ...
[00:44] <Keybuk> SpamapS: right, it's quite different
[00:44] <djszapi> Keybuk: sounds about bad :)
[00:44] <Keybuk> I don't think we want to dump job output into dmesg ;)
[00:45] <djszapi> but the bootlogd implementation depends on the /dev too as long as it tries to write it, thus...can be tolerated :P
[00:45] <Keybuk> yeah
[00:46] <Keybuk> bootlogd actually usually depends on /dev *and* /dev/pts
[00:46] <Keybuk> and in many situations, /dev/pts might be one of the very last things you setup (since nominally, you don't need it until you come to fiddling with xterms)
[00:47] <Keybuk> (you could always mknod /dev/kmsg in your initramfs, if you have one :p)
[00:48] <djszapi> yeah, I see.
[00:48] <djszapi> *giggles*
[00:48] <djszapi> fine with me then, I do not just understand why that hackery exists at all :P
[00:48] <Keybuk> because this is not a solved problem
[00:49] <djszapi> huh ?
[00:49] <Keybuk> doing anything (such as logging) during boot
[00:49] <Keybuk> it's not a solved problem
[00:49] <Keybuk> so hackery is required
[00:49] <djszapi> well.....
[00:50] <djszapi> did you see the mail in 2002 about it on the kernel mailing list ? :)
[00:52] <Keybuk> "it"
[00:52] <Keybuk> and my god, you expect me to remember an LKML mail from 9 years ago?!
[00:52] <Keybuk> have you SEEN the traffic on that list?! :p
[00:52] <djszapi> well you should ;)
[00:52] <djszapi> hehe :P
[00:52] <Keybuk> no, I really shouldn't
[00:52] <Keybuk> :p
[00:52] <djszapi> muhah
[00:53] <djszapi> well it was interesting thread in fact.
[00:53] <djszapi> targetting the issue we are talking about :)
[00:53] <djszapi> but anyway...3 am, ty again ninis :)
[04:54] <seventoes> is su the only way to run jobs as unprivileged users right now?
[05:20] <seventoes> How do i figure out which rule caused this message?
[05:20] <seventoes> start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call"


[17:21] <diverdude> i made this configscript: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/445950409 and saved it in: /etc/init/nodechatserver.conf. when i run start nodechatserver i get this error messae: start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.11" (uid=1000 pid=14091 comm="start nodechatserver ") interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1
[17:21] <diverdude> comm="/sbin/init"). What am I doing wrong?
[17:22] <SpamapS> diverdude: you can't run start/stop on system jobs as non-root
[17:22] <diverdude> ahhh
[17:23] <diverdude> dog
[17:23] <diverdude> doh
[17:23] <diverdude> :D
[17:23] <diverdude> thx
[17:23] <SpamapS> diverdude: sudo is your friend
[17:23] <diverdude> yes
[17:23] <diverdude> that worked
[17:23] <diverdude> bu
[17:23] <diverdude> t
[17:23] <diverdude> when i do sudo stop nodechatserver i get stop: Unknown instance:
[17:24] <SpamapS> that means it died
[17:25] <SpamapS> diverdude: you should note that this is not the best way to switch users...
[17:25] <SpamapS>     exec sudo -u www-data /usr/local/bin/node /home/bdi/www/myproj/Console/Command/Nodejs/ChatHandler/ChatServer.js 2>&1 >> /var/log/nodejs.log
[17:25] <SpamapS> diverdude: that creates a PAM session, which can cause issues if the job isn't stopped
[17:26] <SpamapS> diverdude: which, btw, it won't be, because there is no such event as "shutdown"
[17:26] <diverdude> SpamapS: i see...what is a better way to do it?
[17:26] <SpamapS> diverdude: also if you are on Ubuntu 11.10 or later, the job output will be logged, so no need to 2>&1 to a special log.. it will automatically be in /var/log/upstart/name_of_job.log
[17:26] <diverdude> ah right
[17:26] <diverdude> im in 12.04
[17:27] <SpamapS> diverdude: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#run-a-job-as-a-different-user
[17:27] <diverdude> but it would be nice to have the log in a special file though
[17:27] <SpamapS> diverdude: also 'startup' is emitted before filesystems are mounted, before the network is up.. WAY too early
[17:27] <SpamapS> diverdude: you want 'start on runlevel [2345]' and 'stop on runlevel [^2345]'
[17:29] <diverdude> SpamapS: mmm i see....is that easy to do?
[17:30] <SpamapS> diverdude: is what easy to do?
[17:30] <diverdude> SpamapS: to 'start on runlevel [2345]' and 'stop on runlevel [^2345]'
[17:31] <SpamapS> diverdude: yes, just change the two start on / stop on lines in your file
[17:32] <diverdude> SpamapS: do you think you could show me an example by modifying http://bin.cakephp.org/view/445950409?
[17:37] <SpamapS> diverdude: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/445950409
[17:41] <diverdude> SpamapS: ahhh nice. thanks
[17:42] <diverdude> SpamapS: mmm should i restart before i can use it?
[17:42] <diverdude> because when i run it i get this:
[17:42] <diverdude> $ sudo start nodechatserver
[17:42] <diverdude> nodechatserver stop/waiting
[17:42] <diverdude> and stop it says this
[17:42] <diverdude> $ sudo stop nodechatserver
[17:42] <diverdude> stop: Unknown instance:
[17:42] <SpamapS> diverdude: your start is very odd. I would check the log for errors
[17:43] <SpamapS> diverdude: note that having it in /var/log/upstart/jobname.log will really be easier.. /var/log/nodejs.log is pretty generic, don't you think?
[17:49] <diverdude> hmm
[17:50] <diverdude> cat /var/log/nodejs.log is totally empty
[17:50] <diverdude> cat /var/log/upstart/nodechatserver.log
[17:50] <diverdude> cat: /var/log/upstart/nodechatserver.log: Permission denied
[17:55] <SpamapS> diverdude: sudo again
[17:56] <diverdude> you mean sudo start nodechatserver ?
[17:56] <diverdude> i did that
[17:56] <SpamapS> no
[17:56] <SpamapS> sudo cat /var/log/upstart/nodechatserver.log
[18:03] <diverdude> it says start-stop-daemon: unable to stat /usr/local/bin/node (No such file or directory) in the logfile
[18:03] <diverdude> but this file exists
[18:03] <diverdude> i can run it manually
[18:04] <SpamapS> diverdude: interesting
[18:04] <SpamapS> diverdude: check for sure that there's no type-o
[18:04] <SpamapS> diverdude: and when you say you can run it manually, are you running just /usr/local/bin/node, or the full start-stop-daemon command?
[18:11] <diverdude> SpamapS: sorry that was my mistake
[18:11] <diverdude> it can run now
[18:11] <diverdude> nodechatserver start/running, process 14555
[18:11] <diverdude> however still cannot stop it :(
[18:13] <SpamapS> diverdude: how so?
[18:13] <SpamapS> diverdude: is it actually running?
[18:16] <diverdude> hmm no
[18:16] <diverdude> ps aux | grep 14555 shows nothing :(
[18:16] <diverdude> ahh i know why
[18:17] <diverdude> is it possible to run the process from a certain directory?
[18:17] <diverdude> like if i want to cd /somewhere first
[18:18] <diverdude> would that by exec start-stop-daemon --start -c www-data --exec cd /home/bdi/www/myproj/Console/Command/Nodejs/ChatHandler/ ; /usr/bin/nodejs -- /home/bdi/www/myproj/Console/Command/Nodejs/ChatHandler/ChatServer.js 2>&1 >> /var/log/nodejs.log    ?
[18:25] <diverdude> hmm
[18:25] <diverdude> its not running
[18:26] <SpamapS> diverdude: yes there is a 'chdir' stanza
[18:26] <diverdude> even though the output in cat /var/log/nodejs.log looks correct
[18:26] <SpamapS> diverdude: don't exec cd
[18:26] <SpamapS> diverdude: 'chdir /home/bdi/www/myproj....' at the root of the charm
[18:26] <diverdude> SpamapS: i fixed the CD in another way, so thats not necessary after all
[18:26] <diverdude> SpamapS: but still for some reason its not running
[18:26] <SpamapS> diverdude: actually for your charm, you don't even need start-stop-daemon, you can do 'setuid www-data' and 'setgid www-data'
[18:27] <SpamapS> diverdude: does nodejs daemonize?
[18:27] <SpamapS> diverdude: like, when you run it from the commandline, does it give you back your shell immediately even though it is running?
[18:27] <diverdude> SpamapS: hmm i think so...cant all programs do that?
[18:27] <diverdude> SpamapS: i dont know actually
[18:28] <diverdude> SpamapS: im pretty sure though...these guys: http://kvz.io/blog/2009/12/15/run-nodejs-as-a-service-on-ubuntu-karmic/ demonised it
[18:30] <diverdude> SpamapS: dont you think?
[18:32] <SpamapS> *karmic* ?
[18:33] <SpamapS> diverdude: thats 3 years old now.. ;)
[18:33] <SpamapS> node has come quite a long way since then
[18:33] <diverdude> SpamapS: hehe yes...but i dont suppose it has gotten worse?
[18:33] <SpamapS> diverdude: but if it is dying.. its not upstart killing it.
[18:33] <SpamapS> diverdude: check /var/log/syslog, you should have something like "init: ... exitted with code 1"
[18:35] <diverdude> SpamapS: yeah
[18:35] <diverdude> init: nodechatserver main process (14722) terminated with status 1
[18:36] <diverdude> SpamapS: what does that mean?
[18:37] <SpamapS> diverdude: it means it exitted with an error
[18:37] <SpamapS> diverdude: I'm sure your log will show the error
[18:37] <diverdude> no
[18:37] <diverdude> nothing in the log
[18:39] <diverdude> and this runs just fine if i do it manually
[18:39] <diverdude> sudo -u www-data /usr/bin/nodejs /home/bdi/www/myproj/Console/Command/Nodejs/ChatHandler/ChatServer.js
[18:41] <diverdude> thats very strange
[18:41] <diverdude> hmm
[18:41] <diverdude> SpamapS: ^
[18:47] <jodh> diverdude: Have you looked at the Upstart Cookbook? Specifically, try: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#checking-how-a-service-might-react-when-run-as-a-job
[19:36] <diverdude> jodh: hmm i tried doing:
[19:36] <diverdude> user=www-data
[19:36] <diverdude> cmd="/usr/bin/node /home/bdi/www/myproject/Console/Command/Nodejs/ChatHandler/ChatServer.js"
[19:36] <diverdude> su -c 'nohup env -i $cmd </dev/null >/dev/null 2>&1 &' $user
[19:36] <diverdude> and i get:
[19:37] <diverdude> su: Authentication failure
[19:37] <diverdude> is that the reason for it not running?
[19:37] <diverdude> and is my cmd set up correctly?
[19:42] <jodh> diverdude: I think you just got that password wrong.
[19:43] <diverdude> jodh: no
[19:43] <diverdude> i tried 4 times
[21:11] <diverdude> SpamapS: are you still there?
[22:51] <SpamapS> diverdude: I stepped out for a bit, back now
[23:30] <diverdude> SpamapS: start on runlevel [2345] ensures that service is started after network interface cards are up right?


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