[00:12] <bryce> tormod, :-)
[00:15] <tormod> bryce: there's some truth to it though - people install it more often than they need
[00:16] <bryce> I agree
[00:17] <bryce> tormod: my thinking here is that we should make a big push before intrepid is out, to get the number of bug reports filed against -ati down
[00:17] <bryce> ideally to ~1--
[00:17] <bryce> er ~100
[00:17] <tormod> what about pushing out a new version?
[00:18] <bryce> we've got 6.9.0 which is current right?
[00:18] <bryce> debian has a git snapshot which might be worth looking at
[00:19] <tormod> current in the sense of official releases, but you know releases are cheap^w expensive upstream
[00:19] <bryce> well, for now I think it would be good for us to get more bug reports forwarded upstream
[00:20] <bryce> if they do a 6.9.1 release before things are too frozen, we could pull that in; if not, maybe it'd give us patches we could pull in
[00:24] <tormod> hmm 176 bugs. we were close to 100 some months ago...
[00:24] <bryce> http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/xserver-xorg-video-ati/plots/xserver-xorg-video-ati-fullyear-open.png
[00:25] <bryce> I'll bet we could get back to 150 fairly easily.  Probably there's a lot of bugs without response that can be closed
[00:26] <bryce> and others that are probably obsolete now
[00:26] <tormod> ahem some year ago I guess I meant :)
[00:26] <bryce> ;-)
[00:27] <bryce> it can be done though...  check out -intel:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/xserver-xorg-video-intel/plots/xserver-xorg-video-intel-fullyear-open.png
[00:27] <tormod> looks good.
[00:28] <tormod> maybe someone with bughelper foo can mass-ask for people to try intrepid with a new ati driver
[00:28] <bryce> if we can do the same with -ati then I think we can ratchet up being more aggressive at recommending it in place of -fglrx, maybe even deprecate fglrx even more actively
[00:29] <bryce> brian's promised to spend tomorrow working on X bugs, so I'll ask if he could do that
[00:30] <tormod> what if you push out the 1:6.9.0+git20080802.1f3eee36-1 before that :)
[00:33] <bryce> yeah could be done...
[00:34]  * bryce puts on the todo list for tomorrow
[00:34] <tormod> tomorrow - that reminds me - good night :)
[00:35] <bryce> night
[00:35] <bryce> tormod: will you be around tomorrow for -ati bug triage fun?
[00:35] <tormod> not so sure :P  Is it a hug day or something?
[00:37] <bryce> it's the global bug jam, and I'm going to be getting together in person with brian, leann, and others downtown, and try to get much of brian's help on bug triaging
[00:37] <bryce> so if you're around it could help for answer questions and such
[00:38] <tormod> what time is this UTC?
[00:40] <tormod> downtown where? I would have guessed you're Irish, but either living in Australia or having a broken day rhythm :)
[00:43] <bryce> heh, no I'm in Portland Oregon (west coast US)
[00:44] <bryce> so starts 9am Pacific time, which is...
[00:44] <bryce> like utc 1600 if I subtract correctly
[00:45] <tormod> hmm that calendar-Locations drop-down should have had timezones...
[00:45] <tormod> oh it actually has...
[00:48] <tormod> if it's raining I might drop by
[00:48] <tormod> night
[00:48] <bryce> night
[08:01] <tjaalton> just bought a tablet! hope it's supported too, aiptek media tablet 1000U
[08:02] <tjaalton> hmm, has it's own driver, duh
[08:02] <tjaalton> and no support for this one, crap
[08:05] <pwnguin> heh
[08:05] <pwnguin> you have a bug to fix!
[08:05] <tjaalton> at least the driver doesn't say so
[08:05] <tjaalton> or a device to sell! :)
[08:05] <tjaalton> it was only 50e, cheapest wacom was 80
[08:05] <pwnguin> interesting
[08:06] <tjaalton> this is a "second-hand" device, returned by the previous customer, so I'm not sure I can get a refund
[08:07] <pwnguin> well the cheapest wacom was probably a bamboo
[08:07] <tjaalton> yep
[08:07] <pwnguin> i see lots of reports about that too
[08:07] <tjaalton> intuos3 A5 ~380e
[08:08] <pwnguin> see, i just splurged a little more on my laptop
[08:08] <pwnguin> tabletPC
[08:08] <tjaalton> heh
[08:12] <pwnguin> are you sure it's a 1000U?
[08:19] <tjaalton> hehehe.. 10000U
[08:19] <tjaalton> my eyes..
[08:19] <pwnguin> ah, ok
[08:20] <pwnguin> crazyness in -devel
[08:20] <pwnguin> regarding x
[08:21] <tjaalton> hmm :)
[08:21] <tjaalton> should read the backlog first
[08:21] <tjaalton> http://aiptektablet.sourceforge.net/
[08:21] <tjaalton> still no 10000U
[08:50] <pwnguin> i think you're just hosed if https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AiptekTablet doesn't work
[08:50] <pwnguin> you could try writing them and asking for documentation
[08:55] <tjaalton> aiptek?
[08:56] <pwnguin> yea
[08:56] <pwnguin> i mean, it can't hurt to at least try
[08:57] <tjaalton> since I can't return the device anyway, I'll just try configuring it and see if it works or not :)
[08:57] <tjaalton> and if not, mail them
[09:02] <tjaalton> at least it works as a mouse :)
[09:03] <pwnguin> oh?
[09:03] <tjaalton> a bit too sensitive though
[09:03] <pwnguin> thats good to hear that it works
[09:03] <tjaalton> evdev grabbed it
[09:03] <pwnguin> they have a config tool
[09:04] <tjaalton> I'll try the aiptek driver next
[09:04] <tjaalton> oh and I should create an fdi file for it
[09:04] <pwnguin> if you can repro anything on here, that'd be handy
[09:05] <pwnguin> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-aiptek/+bug/204519
[09:06] <pwnguin> err
[09:06] <pwnguin> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-aiptek/
[09:06] <pwnguin> the whole lot of em. all 2
[09:08] <tjaalton> heh
[09:18] <tjaalton> silly options there.. Option "USB" is mandatory, so why is it not the default
[09:31] <tjaalton> w00t, works!
[09:31] <tjaalton> just need to calibrate
[09:32] <tjaalton> somehow the udev rules file doesn't work right, I need to load the module manually
[09:49] <tjaalton> eh, so starting any gtk app dumps the DDC data on the log, every time
[09:49] <tjaalton> which means the logfile is going to grow rapidly
[09:52] <tjaalton> ok, the tablet has some problems still, seems to lose the calibration too easily
[09:52] <Q-FUNK> FYI we have a bug #255991
[09:59] <tjaalton> Q-FUNK: you can prepare a package and it will be sponsored
[10:04] <Q-FUNK> tjaalton: ack.  thanks!
[10:21] <jcristau> tjaalton: that's gtk calling XRRGetScreenResources on init, with the load detection and stuff that goes with it
[10:22] <jcristau> that should be patched out...
[10:30] <tjaalton> yeah, figured as much..
[10:30] <tjaalton> what would possibly break without that :)
[10:32] <jcristau> all gtk cares about is the screen geometry, and it can get that from xinerama
[10:36] <tjaalton> cool
[11:06] <tjaalton> I need to fix hotkey-setup to work without discover.. so I need to find out the vendor ID of the display driver. what would be the easiest way to do that?
[11:06] <tjaalton> just grepping lspci output?
[11:09] <tjaalton> yeah, just match Intel or ATI/AMD
[11:10] <tjaalton> since the script does not need anything else
[14:29] <crevette> hello there
[14:29] <crevette> what should I expect from the new intel video upload ? better performance ?
[14:30] <crevette> I've a bug actually where the screen become black after usplash (ie I can't see GDM), it is a known bug ?
[14:31] <jcristau> yes. don't use usplash.
[14:31] <crevette> :)
[15:31] <tjaalton> crevette: a known kernel problem, related to uvesafb
[15:31] <crevette> the only workaround is to disable uspash so
[15:32] <tjaalton> yes
[16:17] <johanbr> Are you guys aware of the keyboard breakage in Intrepid?
[16:17] <tjaalton> yes?
[16:18] <johanbr> My xorg log contains some funny snippets, such as (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Video Bus" (type: KEYBOARD)
[16:18] <johanbr> http://nullinfinity.org/tmp/Xorg.0.log
[16:19] <johanbr> The keyboard kind of works, but modifier keys and the arrow keys are very erratic.
[16:19] <johanbr> I got the advice to delete xorg.conf, but then X wouldn't even start.
[16:19] <tjaalton> is hal running?
[16:19] <johanbr> yes
[16:19] <tjaalton> and make sure you have set the keyboard model as evdev
[16:19] <johanbr> I have
[16:20] <tjaalton> ok, bug 255008 then
[16:21] <johanbr> Alrighty. What about those weird lines in xorg.conf where it apparently tries to add my video bus as a keyboard?
[16:21] <tjaalton> dunno, have to check the log
[16:21] <tjaalton> ..and I love it when firefox offers to open files with less
[16:22] <tjaalton> haha
[16:22] <tjaalton> make sure you have the latest xserver-xorg-core installed
[16:22] <tjaalton> yours is ubuntu2
[16:23] <johanbr> I just noticed. I'll install the latest updates and report back. Thank you.
[16:23] <tjaalton> cool
[16:23] <tjaalton> xorg.conf would help too
[16:25] <johanbr> http://nullinfinity.org/xorg.conf
[16:26] <bryce> tjaalton: I fussed with that genius tablet more yesterday, but still no go.  going to try the wacom's today probably
[16:29] <jcristau> johanbr: ignore the stuff about the video bus
[16:29] <tjaalton> bryce: I created an fdi file for aiptek, it should work for those devices that are properly supported, but my 10000U probably isn't so there are some calibration issues
[16:30] <johanbr> Alright, rebooting to see if this works.
[16:31] <tjaalton> uh, his logfile loads nvidia and the conf lists fglrx
[16:38] <johanbr> Things worked much better efter updates. :) Thanks.
[16:39] <tjaalton> johanbr: how come your xorg.conf has fglrx and the logfile shows that nvidia was loaded?-)
[16:40] <johanbr> tjaalton: Oh, I'm sorry. That must be the xorg.conf from my old laptop. :)
[16:43] <tseliot> bryce, federico1: I have added another feature to the Xrandr C applet. Now after the apply button is clicked, the graphical representation of the outputs and the GUI in general are refreshed and reflect the current situation. It took me about 3 lines of C code ;)
[16:44] <tseliot> any ideas as to how I can contribute patches to the project?
[16:46] <federico1> tseliot: a patch to gnome-control-center, you mean?  just send it to me and I'll commit it
[16:46] <federico1> bryce: do you have a  gnome svn account?
[16:46] <federico1> tseliot: you can get an account, too
[16:47] <tseliot> federico1: shall make separate patches? I mean, separate from the XKit part?
[16:49] <Q-FUNK> tjaalton: debdiff attached to bug #255991 and ready to apply & upload to hardy-proposed.
[16:53] <federico1> tseliot: yes, please, as xkit is not upstream yet
[16:54] <tseliot> ok
[16:54] <federico1> tseliot: (these changes don't depend on it, do they?)
[16:54] <tseliot> federico1: no, they don't depend on anything but the c applet itself ;)
[16:54] <federico1> ok, cool
[17:42] <bryce_> morning
[18:03] <tjaalton> evening :)
[18:13] <bryce_> playing with brian's wiimote
[18:14] <bryce_> brian, leann, gchaix and I are having an on-site downtown portland, and I had them bring all manner of oddball input devices to try out
[18:15] <tjaalton> hehe
[18:16] <tjaalton> I need to upgrade my home desktop to intrepid, so my kids can play with the aiptek (when it works properly..)
[18:18] <bryce_> I've got an fdi for the genius btw
[18:19] <bryce_> tseliot: here's your xorg.conf - https://devpad.canonical.com/~brian/bugs-with-xorgconf.html
[18:20] <tjaalton> I forgot my laptop at work, the aiptek fdi is on it
[18:20] <bryce_> s/xorg.conf/xorg.confs/
[18:21] <tjaalton> that's not accessible by mere mortals :)
[18:21] <tjaalton> but then again, tseliot is not :)
[18:21] <bryce_> tseliot: so next step is to write a screenscraper to download all of them, then probably remove any duplicates
[18:22] <bryce_> ah, let me copy over
[18:23] <pwnguin> bryce_: speaking of wiimotes, i wonder if there's a set of media keys for volume , forward, etc
[18:23] <tseliot> bryce, federico, seb128: I have submitted a patch which improves the Gnome Control Center: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=546969
[18:24] <bryce_> could be
[18:24] <bryce_> tseliot: cool
[18:25] <tseliot> bryce: that link requires a username and a password (which I don't have since I don't work for canonical)
[18:26] <bryce_> hang on
[18:28] <bryce_> http://bryceharrington.org/files/X/bugs-with-xorgconf.html
[18:28] <bryce_> try that
[18:30] <tseliot> bryce_: ok, I can access that page, thanks. I'll get them all with a script
[18:30] <bryce_> kewl
[18:34] <tseliot> bryce_: please keep that page online for a few days
[18:34] <bryce_> sure thing
[18:35] <tseliot> thanks
[19:40] <bryce_> hmm, lotta EDID info being dumped into Xorg.0.log...  tjaalton I think you mentioned this yesterday?
[19:41] <tjaalton> bryce: yep, it's gtk
[19:42] <tjaalton> 12:21 < jcristau> tjaalton: that's gtk calling XRRGetScreenResources on init, with the load  detection and stuff that goes with it
[19:42] <tjaalton> 12:22 < jcristau> that should be patched out...
[19:45] <tjaalton> bryce: about bug 256142, the patch is already included
[20:44] <tormod> bryce, hi, are you jamming X bugs?
[21:30] <alex-weej_> http://alex-weej.blogspot.com/2008/08/sucata-run-2008.html
[21:31] <alex-weej_> http://alex-weej.blogspot.com/2008/08/sucata-run-2008.html
[21:33] <Jc2k> hi all
[21:33] <Jc2k> oh god, alex-weej_ !
[21:33] <alex-weej_> :S
[21:33] <alex-weej_> i feel like a total gimp now
[21:33] <alex-weej_> lol
[21:33] <Jc2k> lol
[21:34] <Jc2k> so i just upgraded one of my laptops to ibex
[21:34] <Jc2k> when it goes into x, keyboard stops working
[21:34] <Jc2k> there is no mouse either
[21:34] <Jc2k> but keyboard works fine in console
[21:34] <Jc2k> this is GNOME, and an upgrade from hardy not a fresh install
[21:34] <johanbr> Jc2k: Make sure all your packages are up to date.
[21:35] <Jc2k> johanbr: any changes in past 2 hours..
[21:35] <Jc2k> its a fresh upgrade
[21:37] <johanbr> What's your version of xserver-xorg-core?
[21:38] <Jc2k> 2:<IP_ADDRESS>6-1
[21:39] <Jc2k> (secondary issue, it seems i can only get in to x if i boot in recovery mode and run startx manually.. booting normally yields a black screen)
[21:39] <alex-weej_> before anyone else grills me for spam, sorry. "/amsg" works for all networks at once in X-Chat, CAUTION!
[21:42] <johanbr> Jc2k: What's the -ubuntu suffix ? And what does Xorg.0.log say?
[21:44] <Jc2k> ubuntu3
[21:45] <Jc2k> anything to look for in log?
[21:45] <Jc2k> hard to pastebin without browser (or even network)
[21:45] <Jc2k> brb
[21:48] <seb128> Jc2k: do you get the issue when you don't start GNOME? what videocard do you use?
[21:50] <bryce_> wii works... although doesn't seem to show up in hal
[21:50] <bryce_> tormod: yep we're jamming X bugs
[21:51] <tormod> bryce_: have you got to update -ati?
[21:52] <bryce_> tormod: ah, forgot; I'll work on that once I'm done with the wii
[21:53] <tormod> bryce_: please cherry-pick the upstream fix for bug #148408 :)
[21:56] <Jc2k> seb128: its an intel chipset, one sec while i get the exact model
[21:57] <bryce_> tormod: ok
[21:58] <Jc2k> seb128: i think its a GMA 950
[21:58] <tormod> bryce_: or just go for git head :)
[22:03] <Jc2k> seb128: got any suggestions for testing x without gnome.. (no network on said laptop)
[22:04] <bryce_> jc2k you could set your default window manager to xdm instead of gdm
[22:04] <seb128> Jc2k: select the failsafe session in the gdm sessions list?
[22:04] <bryce_> or start up X manually
[22:05] <Jc2k> im in recovery mode
[22:05] <Jc2k> because it freezes on a black screen
[22:05] <Jc2k> otherwise
[22:05] <Jc2k> so im at a console and typing startx
[22:05] <Jc2k> it comes up with no mouse and no keyboard
[22:06] <seb128> urg
[22:06] <Jc2k> (well, ctrl+alt+del causes a shutdown)
[22:06] <seb128> tried to move the xorg.conf away?
[22:06] <Jc2k> yep
[22:06] <seb128> really weird, I'm not an xorg guy though, maybe bryce has an idea
[22:06] <Jc2k> (so to be clear, im not going through gdm)
[22:07] <Jc2k> and xdm isnt installed, so i cant try that
[22:07] <Jc2k> unless i battle with wireless
[22:07] <Jc2k> *misses network manager*
[22:15] <tormod> j
[22:15] <tormod> Jc2k: this sounds like the hotplug fun. Try the ServerFlags option "AllowEmptyInput" "false"
[22:16] <tjaalton> Jc2k: what version of hal?
[22:17] <tjaalton> and disable usplash
[22:17] <Jc2k> tjaalton: hal 0.5.11-3~ubuntu5
[22:17] <tjaalton> I'm sick of this uvesafb bug :)
[22:17] <tjaalton> Jc2k: setxkbmap -print
[22:18] <Jc2k> tjaalton: and no usplash, because im booting in recovering mode to avoid a hang
[22:18] <tjaalton> it's not hung
[22:18] <tjaalton> the screen just stays blank
[22:18] <tjaalton> disable usplash and reboot
[22:18] <Jc2k> oh i see :)
[22:19] <Jc2k> setxkbmap doesnt work withou an x screen
[22:19] <tjaalton> right :)
[22:19] <tjaalton> the xorg log would help too
[22:19] <tjaalton> oh, and check that you have xserver-xorg-input-evdev installed
[22:20] <Jc2k> kk
[22:20] <tjaalton> gone for awhile->
[22:21] <Jc2k> i have xserver-xorg-input-evdev
[22:21] <Jc2k> going to reboot without usplash now
[22:21] <bryce_> pwnguin: you mentioned with the wii, that you were curious about media keys for volume, forward, etc. - could you explain more?  The buttons seem mappable
[22:23] <Jc2k> tjaalton: victory, disabling splash == working mouse too
[22:23] <Jc2k> tjaalton: and kb
[22:24] <Jc2k> :)
[22:26] <pwnguin> bryce_: the buttons are mappable in cwiid (wminput)
[22:26] <pwnguin> but i dont know the x multimedia keys
[22:27] <pwnguin> it seems like they'd be more universal than setting up totem key bindings
[22:27] <pwnguin> sometimes i need mplayer, and it uses different keys for actions
[22:29] <bryce_> hmm, well the remote shows up in xinput list, so presumably you could map the buttons to whatever you want
[22:30] <pwnguin> indeed
[22:30] <pwnguin> btw, which program are you using?
[22:31] <bryce_> wminput and wmgui
[22:31] <bryce_> and xinput list to view the remote
[22:31] <pwnguin> huh
[22:32] <pwnguin> it uses uinput last i knew
[22:33] <bryce_> right, that's the kernel module
[22:33] <pwnguin> well, a kernel module
[22:34] <pwnguin> wminput basically talks with that
[22:34] <pwnguin> wminput reads from a set of config files to perform the mapping
[23:05] <tormod> bryce_: did you talk with Brian about bughelper and ati bugs?
[23:08] <tormod> btw would be awesome to have all (old and new) Xorg.0.log{.old} attachments forced to text/plain
[23:12] <bryce_> tormod: yeah I asked kiko about that at the distro sprint a few weeks ago
[23:13] <bryce_> calling brian...
[23:13] <bryce_> -ati is built btw... I need to sync the changelogs and then will upload
[23:14] <bdmurray> tormod: What did you have n mind?
[23:15] <tormod> bdmurray: there are so many -ati bugs we want to mass-address with some "please try this and that etc" message
[23:16] <bdmurray> tormod: right, that's easy what specific criteria did you want to use?  All New? All New and Confirmed?
[23:18] <tormod> bdmurray: I haven't thought so much about it. Bryce would talk to you :)
[23:22] <bryce_> tormod: -ati uploading
[23:23] <tormod> bryce_: cool!
[23:25] <bryce_> tormod: was easy, almost a sync, just one change to put forward
[23:25] <tormod> the conflict/replace for -driver-ati ?
[23:26] <bryce_> yup
[23:27] <bryce_> should I forward that patch to debian?
[23:27] <jcristau> we've never shipped that
[23:28] <jcristau> and i thought ubuntu was gonna drop that diff after hardy anyway
[23:29] <tormod> do we have -driver-ati in any supported release?
[23:30] <bryce_> maybe like dapper or something
[23:30] <bryce_> we don't ship it any longer
[23:31] <tormod> yes, dapper which is 5 years LTS...
[23:31] <tormod> 5 years on server that is? without X?
[23:32] <jcristau> but aiui upgrades from dapper need to go through hardy, so they'd drop that package at that point
[23:32] <jcristau> intrepid doesn't have to care
[23:32] <tormod> jcristau: right
[23:43] <tormod> bryce_: you did not cherry-pick that M6 fix?
[23:47] <pwnguin> are we coming up on any big freezes?


[08:19] <mitya57> cjwatson, thanks!
[11:54] <dominic1134> hi, we would like to convert our project repo from bzr to git (beta).  two questions - is ppa building still possible with git?   is there any easy way to perform the conversion from bzr to git without loosing commits and assigned bug reports? thanks
[11:55] <dominic1134> ps:  our goal is to sync the  future git repo und launchpad  with github, due we expect to receive more contributions to the codebase on github,  but the main repo will still be on launchpad
[12:00] <cjwatson> dominic1134: I think you probably mean recipe building, which still works with git, yes (https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds).  There are plenty of repository conversion tools which can do a pretty good job of converting the history (I like reposurgeon myself), but at the moment there's no way to preserve bug links.
[12:01] <cjwatson> That's one of the things blocking Launchpad itself from converting to git.
[12:02] <dominic1134> cjwatson, thanks for the hints and tips
[12:03] <dominic1134> but there no plans to move from bzr to git by default in launchpad, right?
[12:03] <cjwatson> dominic1134: What would that mean?  You have to make a choice to push one or the other.
[12:03] <dominic1134> im asking because bitbucket basically also moved to git
[12:04] <cjwatson> Right, but I'm asking what you're asking. :-)
[12:06] <cjwatson> Do you just mean stuff like the general guidance given on the site for pushing code?
[12:07] <dominic1134> yes
[12:07] <cjwatson> This isn't an official project statement or anything, but it would not surprise me if we gradually emphasised git over bzr as time goes on.
[12:08] <cjwatson> One of the prerequisites for doing that more is to finish off some of the remaining gaps in support, though.
[12:09] <dominic1134> ok, sounds good :-) personally i would greatly welcome that step
[12:10] <dominic1134> even if many things are equally in bzr and git,  the available integration possibilities for git are way better
[12:11] <cjwatson> git is quite a bit easier for us to host for various reasons.
[13:37] <Laney> is it intentional that there's only .xz translations for en?
[13:39] <cjwatson> Laney: Ah, maybe that needs a ddtp-translations change.  Let me look.
[13:39] <Laney> cjwatson: thanks
[13:39] <Laney> wgrant: and thanks for fixing the bug :)
[13:39] <cjwatson> 151 MiB, sigh
[13:40] <cjwatson> I'll have a look *at some point* :-P
[14:04] <cjwatson> Laney: actually requires an apt-ddtp-tools change; I'll send it mvo's way
[14:04] <cjwatson> Laney: is it a problem or just weird?
[14:07] <Laney> cjwatson: I have code in appstream-dep11 which only looks at .xz
[14:07] <Laney> Could write some stuff for bz2, but won't bother if it will be fixed soon in the archive
[14:09] <cjwatson> right
[14:09] <cjwatson> punted to mvo


 :D
[20:47] <compengi> good too
[20:47] <compengi> just remembered our old bot
[20:47] <compengi> @whois Armageddon
[20:47] <ubotu-lb> compengi: Error: "whois" is not a valid command.
[20:47] <Armageddon> what bot ?
[20:47] <compengi> ubotu-lb
[20:48] <Armageddon> oh ok
[20:48] <compengi> so how are you doing rapacity
[20:49] <compengi> long time
[20:50] <compengi> do you know any new plugin for supybot?
[20:55] <compengi> @load Google
[20:55] <ubotu-lb> compengi: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[20:55] <compengi> oh
[20:56] <compengi> @load Google
[20:56] <ubotu-lb> compengi: The operation succeeded.
[20:56] <rapacity> I'm doing terrible :)
[20:56] <compengi> ouch
[20:56] <compengi> why is that
[20:56] <compengi> @load RSS
[20:56] <rapacity> that's a secret d:
[20:56] <ubotu-lb> compengi: The operation succeeded.
[20:56] <compengi> hmm..
[20:56] <compengi> you still study medicine?
[20:56] <rapacity> that isn't me
[20:57] <rapacity> studying ccomputer science
[20:57] <compengi> you didn't start with biology and switched?
[20:57] <rapacity> ah, I did
[20:57] <compengi> @google me
[20:57] <ubotu-lb> compengi: MobileMe: <http://www.me.com/>; MobileMe Sign In: <https://auth.me.com/authenticate>; Me: Girl takes pic of herself every day for three years - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55YYaJIrmzo>; .ME domain names: <http://www.domain.me/>; .me - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.me>; Maine.gov |: <http://www.maine.gov/>; Windows Me - (1 more message)
[20:57] <rapacity> but I wasn't aiming for medicine
[20:57] <rapacity> I was interested in bioinformatics
[20:57] <compengi> aha
[20:58] <compengi> and how is it going now?
[20:59] <rapacity> have you ever watched rocky ?
[20:59] <compengi> yeah
[21:00] <compengi> that's an old movie
[21:00] <rapacity> it's a movie where this guy gets repeatedly punched in the face
[21:00] <rapacity> well my life is something like that
[21:00] <compengi> hehe
[21:00] <compengi> oh
[21:00] <compengi> @rss add linux-magazine http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/RSS-Feeds
[21:00] <ubotu-lb> compengi: The operation succeeded.
[21:01] <compengi> info
[21:01] <compengi> @rss info
[21:01] <ubotu-lb> compengi: (rss info <url|feed>) -- Returns information from the given RSS feed, namely the title, URL, description, and last update date, if available.
[21:01] <compengi> @rss info linux-magazine
[21:01] <ubotu-lb> compengi: Title: unavailable; URL: <unavailable>; Description: Spotlight | Reviews | Current Issue | Academy | Newsletter | Subscribe | Shop | Online News Features Blogs RSS Feeds White Papers Conference Videos Departments Administration Infrastructure Security Networking Web Works Programming Desktop Community Resources Current Issue Special Editions Spotlight Reviews Event Calendar Archives (8 more messages)
[21:02] <compengi> rapacity, do you know any good rss feeds website?
[21:04] <compengi> @rss add linuxtoday http://feedproxy.google.com/linuxtoday/linux
[21:04] <ubotu-lb> compengi: The operation succeeded.
[21:05] <compengi> @rss add kernel.org http://www.kernel.org/kdist/rss.xml
[21:05] <ubotu-lb> compengi: The operation succeeded.
[21:10] <compengi> @rss add tomshardware http://www.tomshardware.com/feeds/rss2/tom-s-hardware-us,18-1.xml
[21:10] <ubotu-lb> compengi: The operation succeeded.
[21:12] <compengi> @rss announce #ubuntu-lb linux-magazine
[21:12] <ubotu-lb> compengi: Error: 'announce' is not a valid url.
[21:12] <compengi> @rss announce linux-magazine
[21:12] <ubotu-lb> compengi: Error: 'announce' is not a valid url.
[21:13] <compengi> @rss linux-magazine
[21:13] <ubotu-lb> compengi: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
[21:13] <compengi> hmm..
[21:13] <compengi> @rss linuxtoday
[21:13] <ubotu-lb> compengi: Top 10 Things Linux Users Don't Understand || Shuttleworth Takes Note of the Cloud, and Mobile Computing || Will Linux miss its big desktop shot? || Dell SecureWorks: Inside the APT Threat || Community: A Visit from the Ghost of Linux Future || Linux users can now read Kindle ebooks on their desktop with Amazon Cloud Reader || Linux on mainframe, alive, kicking and doing (1 more message)
[21:13] <compengi> @rss kernel.org
[21:13] <ubotu-lb> compengi: next-20110812: linux-next || next-20110812: linux-next || 3.1-rc1-git6: snapshot || 3.1-rc1: mainline || 3.0.1: stable || <IP_ADDRESS>: stable || <IP_ADDRESS>: stable || <IP_ADDRESS>: stable || <IP_ADDRESS>: stable || <IP_ADDRESS>: longterm || <IP_ADDRESS>: longterm || <IP_ADDRESS>: longterm || <IP_ADDRESS>: longterm || <IP_ADDRESS>: longterm
[21:14] <compengi> @rss tomshardware
[21:14] <ubotu-lb> compengi: Counter-Strike: GO Confirmed Coming in 2012 || Presented By: || OnLive UK Launching on September 22 || IBM: PCs are "Going The Way of Typewriters" || Nvidia Signs On Cray Exec As New Tesla CTO || Deals for August 11: 27" Planar 1080p LCD $229 FS || Presented By: || Seagate Continues Bet on Hybrid HDDs With Flash Cache || Intel Creates $300 Million Fund to Make Ultrabooks (4 more messages)
[21:15] <compengi> remove linuxtoday
[21:15] <compengi> @rss remove linuxtoday
[21:15] <ubotu-lb> compengi: The operation succeeded.
[21:15] <compengi> @rss add linuxtoday http://feeds.feedburner.com/linuxtoday/linux?format=xml
[21:15] <ubotu-lb> compengi: The operation succeeded.
[21:15] <compengi> @rss linuxtoday
[21:15] <ubotu-lb> compengi: Top 10 Things Linux Users Don't Understand || Shuttleworth Takes Note of the Cloud, and Mobile Computing || Will Linux miss its big desktop shot? || Dell SecureWorks: Inside the APT Threat || Community: A Visit from the Ghost of Linux Future || Linux users can now read Kindle ebooks on their desktop with Amazon Cloud Reader || Linux on mainframe, alive, kicking and doing (1 more message)
[21:15] <compengi> aha
[21:15] <compengi> :)
[21:15] <compengi> @announce
[21:15] <ubotu-lb> compengi: (announce <text>) -- Sends <text> to all channels the bot is currently on and not lobotomized in.
[21:15] <compengi> oh
[21:15] <compengi> @rss announce
[21:15] <ubotu-lb> compengi: Error: 'announce' is not a valid url.
[21:18] <compengi> @rss add canonical http://www.canonical.com/rss.xml
[21:18] <ubotu-lb> compengi: The operation succeeded.
[21:18] <compengi> and sorry for the flood :P
[21:26] <compengi> @seen someothernick
[21:26] <ubotu-lb> compengi: I have not seen someothernick.
[21:26] <compengi> @seen ron
[21:26] <ubotu-lb> compengi: I have not seen ron.
[21:26] <compengi> @ping
[21:26] <ubotu-lb> pong
[22:25] <compengi> good night all
[22:34] <Charbel> :(
[22:34] <Charbel> i 4got my pass
[22:41] <rapacity> it's ok
[22:41] <rapacity> you don't need a pass!
[22:41] <Charbel> -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Invalid password for Charbel.
[22:41] <Charbel> :(
[22:42] <rapacity> ah
[22:42] <rapacity> that pass
[22:42] <rapacity> I thought you forgot your ubuntu pass :p
[22:42] <rapacity> I would've suggested single-user mode
[22:42] <rapacity> you can try asking the freenode ops for help
[22:43] <Charbel> let me try again b4 asking 4 help
[22:43] <Charbel> mmmmm
[22:45] <Charbel> :D
[22:45] <Charbel> i got it
[22:45] <Charbel> 01:44:48 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- You are now identified for Charbel.
[22:45] <Charbel> 01:44:49 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- 6 failed logins since last login.
[22:45] <Charbel> 01:44:49 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last failed attempt from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on Aug 12 22:44:28 2011.
[22:45] <Charbel> hahaha
[22:45] <rapacity> :p
[22:45] <Charbel> 6 failed logins


[00:39] <guiverc2> 3 of 4 BIOS full-disk-install options done on hardware using 20191012-final
 wxl missed the earlier question. I had the timezone bug during the testing before the beta release. Using same hardware and that issue no longer exists on the current daily.
[00:41] <wxl[m]> You all are awesome.
[00:42] <kc2bez> You're pretty great too wxl[m] !
[00:43] <guiverc2> agree wxl[m]
[00:44] <tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2019-October/004840.html
[00:45] <wxl[m]> I'm better than chopped liver, that's for sure
[00:49] <wxl[m]> Furious Falcon? Tell me it ain't so!
[00:52] <kc2bez> Fluffy Furbaby is better :P
[00:52] <tsimonq2> I'm looking to see how many people actually think that's the new codename. :P
[00:52] <tsimonq2> So if someone actually reports on Furious Falcon, let me know so I can laugh. :)
[00:52] <kc2bez> XD
[01:00] <wxl> i've had fluffy furbaby going for a long time
[01:00] <tsimonq2> > Furbaby.
[01:00] <tsimonq2> No.
[01:00] <wxl> too bad
[01:01] <tsimonq2> I swear, if Mark picks Furbaby, I quit. XD
[01:01] <kc2bez> Seems like a safe thing then :P
[01:02] <kc2bez> I'm glad we will have you around. :P
[01:04] <wxl> fluffy fizzgig might be a worthwhile alternative, especially with the dark crystal prequel
[01:04] <wxl> but it's probably copyrighted. sigh…
[01:20] <tsimonq2> *writes code a long time ago* "oh yeah this isn't that bad, I could grok this if needed"
[01:20] <tsimonq2> *rereads it today* "wow I must have been tired or something, this is really poorly written"
[01:20] <kc2bez> XD
[01:21] <kc2bez> Probably full of descriptive comments too, right?
[01:22] <tsimonq2> Actually, I commented this really well.
[01:22] <kc2bez> Well at least you had that.
[01:23] <tsimonq2> Right.
[01:23] <kc2bez> I shake my head at myself all the time. Wait until you put decades behind you.
[01:23] <tsimonq2> Oh boy. :)
[01:24] <tsimonq2> In case you're wondering, I'm looking at the CI code.
[01:24] <tsimonq2> Looking to modularize it a bit.
[01:24] <tsimonq2> And document it.
[01:24] <kc2bez> Sweet.
[01:24] <guiverc2> done 2nd EFI (no-enc,no-web; & enc+web) stopping given tsimonq2 [expected] non-final comment in rel-announce
[01:25] <tsimonq2> Key word: trying.
[01:25] <tsimonq2> guiverc2: Thanks!
 I like Furious Falkon more than Fluffy Furbaby. The latter is too cheesy for me.
[03:00] <tsimonq2> Well, this is some spaghetti.
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> @HMollerCl, @The_LoudSpeaker: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59 is solved, …], Yup! It is. But then last night someone mentioned about Super+P / Fn+F7 I wanted to check that once before closing the task. Or should I create a new one?
[03:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] fix keyboard shortcuts: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59
[03:02] <tsimonq2> Please create a new one.
 Ack.
[03:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: fix keyboard shortcuts] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#2479
[05:00] <guiverc2> thanks wxl, I'll go prepare & feed the birds, return to it shortly..
[05:01] <wxl> take your time
[05:01] <wxl> i'm still not down and getting sleepy to boot
 Re: [請益] 請問python在臺灣是否很少有公司在用? … https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Soft_Job/M.1570893859.A.3A6.html
[05:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb626addb2167: Minor reword] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb626addb2167
[05:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4197f60b2be1: Minor reword] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4197f60b2be1
[05:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9bbb497ab3f7: Add inserting a number of spaces not equal to a tab to somewhere it makes sense] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9bbb497ab3f7
[06:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7a99bdf6601b: Update spacing] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7a99bdf6601b
[06:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL53f7822fb598: Add Quit from keyboard shortcut] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL53f7822fb598
[06:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0177c9681c9f: Add Select text checkbox] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0177c9681c9f
[06:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9ee7d66fbb42: Fix typo] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9ee7d66fbb42
[06:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL86af19757a50: Add no regular expression] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL86af19757a50
[06:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6d1adb399ba0: Add how to turn off things to not be stuck on] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6d1adb399ba0
[06:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL45f44f5bc85e: Add clearing recent files] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL45f44f5bc85e
[08:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T30: Theme GRUB] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30#2481
[12:45] <Amiona>  Chat 40+   ->  https://soo.gd/room40plus
 How the grub theme de changed on an updated installation? I keep getting the same one I have since 18.10 @The_LoudSpeaker
 The theme got installed? I guess it wasn't getting Installed with rartwork.
 Also, if you have a theme installed by yourself and you set it by modifying the grub config, I guess that one would still take precedence coz this one is in a separate script.
 Don't know if it got installed.
 Try apt install lubuntu-grub-theme
 Does it say already installed?
 no it is not installed
 isn't it included in lubuntu-desktop pkg?
 it should be with artwork
 yes, that would be better
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/rARTc7b5bed2ff91d1c410cd75328fb4431d69f40a1c
 The binary package needs to be installed by default
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2XhccvmJCU
 Live now
[20:45] <tippy_tiddler> I have created an Appointment Notifier for the LxQt desktop. Does LxQt have a desktop menu item editor to allow the application to be added to the main menu? The code is on github at https://github.com/crispinalan/lxqt-appointment-notifier and at the moment I have put up suggested sh and desktop files for launching the application.
[20:50] <tippy_tiddler> I should also say I have been testing the code with Lubuntu 19.04 LxQt and will try it with Lubuntu 19.10 Beta next week.


[10:27] <rmg51> Morning
[10:29]  * L3gacy passes out bacon
[11:34] <JonathanD> Good morning.
[13:15] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[15:35] <ChinnoBunny> morning
[17:42] <ChinnoDog> Anyone here using onedrive-d?


[00:17] <LetsGo67> Anyone knows what 10.10 will be like?
[00:17] <LetsGo67> Best feature?
[00:17] <jpds> !best
[00:18] <LetsGo67> Worst feature?
[00:19] <DrHalan> can some epxlain me how to use the StreamSerialiser in Terrain::load
[00:19] <DrHalan> http://www.ogre3d.org/docs/api/html/classOgre_1_1Terrain.html#ae3fc60c0f8350b4872323ddf258d922d
[00:19] <DrHalan> i want to parse terrain data from my internal format to Ogre
[00:21] <DrHalan> oh sorry wrong channel ;)
[02:59] <maurer_> I'm getting 25% packet loss on multiple different wireless networks. Any approaches to figure out what's going on with my machine?
[03:19] <maurer_> Damn, room's dead.
[03:21] <maurer_> Eh, sorry for the repost, but someone new is in the room, and nobody's talking: I'm getting 25% packet loss on multiple different wireless networks. Any approaches to figure out what's going on with my machine?
[03:43] <maurer_> Note for anyone else who reads this and is having problems with maverick intel wifi: Install compat-wireless, it fixes this bug.
[04:34] <sinurge> with this new updates putting in whenever i shutdown i get policy kit still running ....with 3 boxes shutdown anyways...wait... any idea what that could be
[04:46] <sinurge> gettin the following error when i am trying to remove the old kernals http://paste.ubuntu.com/484790/ any suggestions
[04:53] <eightball> how to update from 10.4 without reinstaled?
[04:59] <sinurge> eightball, rephrase your question pls
[05:08] <IdleOne> eightball: 10.10 is still alpha and not stable. it is not recommended you upgrade until the official release.
[05:08] <KE1HA> Any non-UK folks trying to sync maverick images ?  It's extremely slow, and has been all afternoon, was just wondering if anyone else seeing that also.
[05:08] <eightball> i know when it is relese in oct which  is  almost a month a way ?
[05:08] <IdleOne> oct 10 2010
[05:09] <eightball> ok
[05:09] <eightball> on that date or later when i download it how to upgrade it?
[05:10] <KE1HA> eightball:  Beta-3 is coming out next week, you can download and have a preview of what's in store for 10-10.
[05:10] <IdleOne> when it is released the upgrade manager will offer to upgrade for you
[05:11] <eightball> ok so the upgrade manger takes care of every thing?
[05:11] <eightball> sorry still new to ubuntu
[05:12] <eightball> will SSD work ?
[05:24] <DanaG> ARGH, stupid Ubuntu kernel... makes my middle button not work.
[05:24] <DanaG> So, to press my middle button... I have to press my middle button AND my right button!
[05:26] <wick94> DanaG tht sounds like a real pain in the u know wht
[05:26] <DanaG> yeah.
[05:26] <DanaG> Hmm, try GL2 output in mplayer, perhaps.
[05:28] <DanaG> er, wrong tab.
[05:30] <wick94> lol
[07:48] <DanaG> Say, anyone know if GMA950 can accelerate ANY codec with va-api?
[08:59] <DanaG> argh, ubuntu... my middle button is not a freaking left button!
[09:02] <DanaG> It's really, really really annoying... every single time I try to middle-click a link to open it in a new tab, it instead left-clicks and opens in the current tabl!
[09:02] <DanaG> tab!
[09:03] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/612591
[09:24] <DanaG> AARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH, HULK SMASH.
[09:24] <DanaG> GIVE ME BACK MY MIDDLE BUTTON!
[11:43]  * penguin42 yawns at the Ucubed event in Manchester
[11:59] <kulight> evolution keep start up on the contacts page instead of the mail page any one can help?
[12:19] <kulight> evolution keep start up on the contacts page instead of the mail page any one can help?
[14:07] <BUGabundo> afternoon friends
[14:08] <BUGabundo> what's the bug for the power policy agent that gets stuck?
[14:08] <BUGabundo> I always have to kill it on shutdown
[14:30] <BUGabundo> does it make any sense to "spin off" ssd disks?
[15:55] <BUGabundo> is it recommend to bind mount /dev/pts to do a chroot with xnest?
[15:56] <penguin42> when you say a chroot with xnest  what do you mean? xnest is not necessarily related to chroots
[15:57] <BUGabundo> oh no ?
[15:57] <BUGabundo> so how do you launch apps ?
[16:01] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Well you can start an Xnest and then from outside the Xnest you can do something like export DISPLAY=:1 xterm &
[16:02] <penguin42> BUGabundo: But there are also ways of starting new gnome sessions which is a tad harder
[16:02] <BUGabundo> yeah
[16:02] <BUGabundo> that's what I'm doing
[16:02] <BUGabundo> making a small script to bind my old disk and then xnest it
[16:02] <BUGabundo> so I can still use what ever I have there and need porting
[16:03] <BUGabundo> looking at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[16:03] <ali1234> you should mount /dev/pts when chrooting
[16:03]  * penguin42 looks
[16:04] <BUGabundo> ali1234: thanks
[16:04] <BUGabundo> then the wiki needs editing
[16:04] <BUGabundo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[16:04] <ali1234> you should probably mount /sys as well
[16:04] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/484999/
[16:04] <BUGabundo> here's what I have so far
[16:05] <ali1234> no need to bind them all
[16:05] <ali1234> mount -t devpts none /media/320/dev/pts
[16:05] <ali1234> etc
[16:05] <penguin42> BUGabundo: OK, so actually just as a flag these days it's a hell of a lot easier to use a VM rather than a chroot/Xnest
[16:06] <penguin42> BUGabundo: But that looks reasonable
[16:06] <BUGabundo> wiki fixed
[16:06] <BUGabundo> penguin42: well, its my old disk
[16:07] <BUGabundo> making it into a VM just to start kmail or firefox is a bit overkill
[16:07] <ali1234> i agree
[16:07] <ali1234> you don't need the Xnest though
[16:08] <ali1234> also Xephyr is better than Xnest :)
[16:08] <BUGabundo> wait
[16:08] <BUGabundo> What?
[16:08] <BUGabundo> !info Xephyr
[16:08] <BUGabundo> !info xephyr
[16:08] <penguin42> xserver-xephyr
[16:09] <BUGabundo> !info x-server-xephyr
[16:09] <BUGabundo> !info xserver-xephyr
[16:09] <BUGabundo> ah there we go
[16:09] <BUGabundo> how does one use it ?
[16:09] <ali1234> same as Xnest pretty much
[16:09] <penguin42> BUGabundo: But, stop - why do you want the Xnest/xserver-xephyr
[16:09] <BUGabundo> I don't
[16:10] <BUGabundo> ali1234 recommended it
[16:10] <BUGabundo> I just want to access my apps
[16:10] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Ah ok; it's just you can chroot into something and export the display back to the existing X server
[16:10] <BUGabundo> without having to muck much of the system
[16:10] <BUGabundo> tried that, no success
[16:10] <BUGabundo> so went with the next step: xnest
[16:10] <penguin42> ok
[16:10] <ali1234> getting Xauthority right can be tricky
[16:11] <BUGabundo> Xnest -ac :1 is so easy :P
[16:11] <BUGabundo> no idea what -ac does
[16:11] <BUGabundo> nothing in MAN for it
[16:12] <penguin42> I think that turns off access control
[16:12] <BUGabundo> makes sense
[16:12] <Daekdroom> Bleh, has anyone noticed that messaging-menu no longer tells you which apps among those are open and which aren't?
[16:12] <BUGabundo> so, xnest or xephyr ?
[16:13] <BUGabundo> what the key points on both?
[16:13] <penguin42> xehpyr is newer and I don't know much about it
[16:13] <BUGabundo> ahah
[16:13] <BUGabundo> will give it a try
[16:16] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/485006/
[16:16] <BUGabundo> here is the lastest version
[16:16] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/485006/
[16:18] <penguin42> BUGabundo: You might want to bindmount /tmp - in particular it has the X socket in which lets export DISPLAY=/tmp
[16:19] <BUGabundo> ok
[16:19] <BUGabundo> sudo mount --bind /tmp  /media/320/tmp  ?
[16:19] <penguin42> promising
[16:36] <penguin42> BUGabundo: So does that work?
[16:40] <BUGabundo> yep
[16:40] <BUGabundo> making a few improvemtns
[16:40] <BUGabundo> adding comments, resolv.conf and spawing xnesty
[16:41] <BUGabundo> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/485020/
[16:41] <penguin42> cool
[16:47] <penguin42> BUGabundo: One of the things I haven't got my head around is that in recent Ubuntu/Gnome there is a concept of a 'session' that is managed with policykit and friends; and in some of the cases what you really want is a new session
[16:47] <BUGabundo> true
[16:47] <BUGabundo> but a nested X is handy too
[16:48] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: what are you breaking? :)
[16:49] <BUGabundo> nothing, yet
[16:49] <BUGabundo> check the pastebin
[16:52] <kklimonda> oh, why do you need nested X?
[16:53] <BUGabundo> again?
[16:53] <BUGabundo> don't you have a backlog ?
[16:53] <BUGabundo> LOL
[16:53] <BUGabundo> (2010-08-28 16:02:38) freenode: making a small script to bind my old disk and then xnest it
[16:53] <BUGabundo> (2010-08-28 16:02:47) freenode: so I can still use what ever I have there and need porting
[17:05] <johnflux> Hi all
[17:06] <johnflux> I tried to install KDE 4.5.0  from lucid-backports, and screwed up my system :-D    Now KDE won't start
[17:06] <johnflux> it looks like I only need to update all the packages again, but the trouble is that since I can't login to KDE, I cannot get wireless working
[17:07] <johnflux> and without wireless I can't update the packages..
[17:08] <penguin42> johnflux: Hmm an interesting loop!
[17:08] <penguin42> johnflux: Can you start kde in failsafe?
[17:09] <kklimonda> heh, they have backported a whole kde 4.5 through -backports?
[17:09] <johnflux> penguin42, I can get krunner and konsole up and running
[17:10] <penguin42> I wonder if you can get enough of the network manager stuff
[17:10] <johnflux> penguin42, it's provided by kde plasmoid...
[17:10] <yofel> well, you'll either need plasma running for wireless or configure it with wpa_supplicant in konsole
[17:11] <kklimonda> johnflux: you can configure wireless even from terminal
[17:11] <yofel> johnflux: can you try to start plasma-desktop in krunner and look if there's an error in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[17:11] <johnflux> kklimonda, only by reconfiguring it all manually right?
[17:12] <johnflux> yoasif, I'm current in windows, so I'd have to reboot...
[17:12] <johnflux> but I found an longish bug report about this
[17:13] <yofel> ah, well, for wireless, there are a few examples in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/ and 'man wpa_supplicant.conf'
[17:15] <yofel> just stop network-manager, run 'wpa_supplicant -i <interface> -c <config file>' and run dhclient once you're connected if you use DHCP
[17:16] <johnflux> yoasif, okay I'll give that a try
[17:16] <johnflux> if I can remember the magic combination to get my wireless to work :-/
[17:16] <yofel> well, first see if you can manually start plasma-desktop and see if it prints any errors
[17:17] <BUGabundo> penguin42: kklimonda: stupid question: how can I declare a variable for the mount PATH in that script? so it can be changed only in one place
[17:17] <yofel> yoasif: have a cookie...
[17:17] <BUGabundo> auff
[17:18] <penguin42> BUGabundo: you can always do something like export FOO=/whereever  and later do PATH=$FOO/whatever
[17:18] <BUGabundo> so, sudo mount --bind /tmp  $FOO/tmp  ?
[17:19] <penguin42> yeh
[17:24] <yoasif> yofel, :P
[17:28] <BUGabundo> penguin42: here is the current version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/485034/
[17:46] <penguin42> bb later
[18:02] <knittl> hi. i don't have an image on my screen after sleep (using nouveau)
[18:02] <knittl> it worked with nvidia, but nvidia is currently broken
[18:06] <BUGabundo> AHSHDPDHGPSEIGOSE*GFPEJ*OGD
[18:06] <knittl> BUGabundo: your keyboard is broken ;)
[18:06] <BUGabundo> seems I can't access copy paste buffer from nested X
[18:06] <BUGabundo> :(
[18:07] <BUGabundo> ali1234: any parameter for Xephyr to work ?
[18:16] <BUGabundo> $ chromium-browser
[18:16] <BUGabundo> [2600:2600:17000195076:FATAL:base/shared_memory_posix.cc(193)] Creating shared memory in /dev/shm/.org.chromium.dUjVsZ failed. This is frequently caused by incorrect permissions on /dev/shm.  Try 'sudo chmod 777 /dev/shm' to fix.: No such file or directory
[18:16] <BUGabundo> Aborted (core dumped)
[18:16] <BUGabundo> humm
[18:16] <BUGabundo> something isn't okay on my chroot
[18:37] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[18:39] <JohnFlux> I'm using lucid-backports but when I run kdm it says "cannot find greeter"
[18:39] <JohnFlux> Any idea what would cause that?
[18:49] <johnflux> When I try to run plasma-desktop I get:    symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_plasma-desktop.so: undefined symbol: _ZN6Plasma6Corona12mapAnimationENS_8Animator9AnimationES2_
[18:50] <johnflux> This is using the ubuntu backport version of kde 4.5.0
[18:50] <yofel> johnflux: first, since we're talking about lucid let's move to #kubuntu
[18:51] <yofel> this channel is for maverick
[18:51] <johnflux> yes, but it's the backports
[18:51] <johnflux> which is kinda maverick :D
[18:51] <yofel> well, then #kubuntu-devel
[18:51] <yofel> but lucid-* is still lucid
[18:51] <yofel> 4.5 or not
[18:57] <BUGabundo> anyone know how to export all extensions of a chromium / chrome browser ?
[19:03] <sdk> On Maverick, is Emerald still used?
[19:04] <yofel> well, it's there, but I don't know if it actually works
[19:04] <sdk> I keep hearing that Emerald is goihng the way of the Dodo, but it keeps not happening.
[19:04] <sdk> yofel: what takes its place?
[19:04] <yofel> no idea, I don't follow gnome news
[19:04] <sdk> yofel:  fair enough.  :)
[19:12] <sdk> Grr .. very frustrating.  One of the most useful tools for a heavy computer user is the ability to have applications load on login to specific windows, i.e. terminals of a particular geometry in one workspace, browser in another, etc.  Apparently KDE supports that, but all Gnome'll do is set a default so EVERY time you open an app it will start in the same workspace.. Feh.
[19:33] <knittl> i'd like to provide information about not being able to properly resume after suspend with nouveau (black screen) – where can i get it?
[19:36] <txwikinger> Is there anything know about apport not being able to deal with crash files in maverick?
[19:39] <yofel> what happens?
[19:48] <txwikinger> hi yofel
[19:49] <txwikinger> it gives an erroe message
[19:49] <txwikinger> it gives an error message when opening the crash file
[19:49] <DanaG> argh, ubuntu kernel..... give me back my freaking middle button!
[19:49] <txwikinger> apport does not support reporting these crashes (assertion error)
[19:50] <yofel> txwikinger: hm, I know that is intentional, but I forgot why
[19:51] <txwikinger>  maybe you don't want to trace assertion errors?
[19:52] <yofel> probably, iirc has something to do with that xcb assertion where bugs were uselessly reported about it
[19:52] <txwikinger> ah
[19:53] <yofel> but I might be wrong, can you open the .crash file in an editor and check what the actual assertion error is?
[19:56] <IdleOne> ont he past few reboots I have received the following error http://imagebin.ca/view/wpiA1zQM.html I'm not sure what package to report a bug against or if I even need to, any ideas?
[19:56] <IdleOne> on the*
[19:57] <IdleOne> if I click reboot anyway the system restarts and there does not seem to be any problems, just not sure what to do about this
[20:28] <dupondje> policykit broken ?
[20:29] <dupondje> it keeps asking me to kill it when I try to reboot/shutdown
[20:34] <rick_h_> howdy, we're testing the daily iso and found a bug with the builds. Where would I go to figure out how to submit a bug against it/check if it's already filed?
[20:35] <yofel> dupondje: IdleOne just posted http://imagebin.ca/view/wpiA1zQM.html
[20:35] <rick_h_> I would have expected a bug report link here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100828/
[20:35] <yofel> rick_h_: well, what's the bug?
[20:35] <IdleOne> yofel: what package can I report a bug to concerning policykit?
[20:36] <rick_h_> we had to edit a syslinux.cfg file after running usb-creator
[20:36]  * greg-g waves
[20:36] <rick_h_> in order for the usb device to boot
[20:36] <rick_h_> so not really on a package installed/run per-se
[20:36] <yofel> rick_h_: ah wait, sounds familiar
[20:36] <yofel> bug 608382 ?
[20:36] <rick_h_> yea, it seems like everyong would have run into it, but trying to be good little ubj-ers
[20:36] <greg-g> probably should, there was a forums post about it
[20:37] <greg-g> yeah, that looks like it
[20:37] <yofel> rick_h_: and for reporting bugs follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs in general and come to #ubuntu-bugs if you have more questions
[20:37] <rick_h_> yea, that's the one
[20:37] <rick_h_> does it make any sense to add some text to the daily iso page for helping users get started with reporting bugs?
[20:38] <yofel> IdleOne: there is policykit-1 but I'm not sure if that's the right one
[20:39] <IdleOne> yofel: I tried that and got back an error saying the package does not exist
[20:39] <IdleOne> let me try again to make sure
[20:39] <yofel> rick_h_: not sure, usually people know that bugs should be filed on Launchpad
[20:39] <IdleOne> hmm now it works
[20:39] <IdleOne> thank yofel
[20:44] <MarkDude> dupondje, - YES, policykit is a known bug. The way it prevents shutdown
[20:45] <dupondje> is there a bugreport about it ?
[20:46] <IdleOne> dupondje: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1-gnome/+bug/623819
[21:25]  * penguin42 yawns
[21:26]  * penguin42 has spent the day at a local Ubuntu meet up
[21:31] <jpds> Was it that bad?
[21:32] <penguin42> no, it was very good - I'm just rather tired now
[21:33] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/612591
[21:33] <DanaG> argh, give me back my freaking middle button, Ubuntu!
[21:34] <jpds> DanaG: Erm, it currently is freaking out, isn't that the problem?
[21:35] <DanaG> "it"?   What's "it"?
[21:35] <Dink> hmm where can I find more info on a bug. Every time I try to open/save a doc in oowriter I get an "Illegal instruction (core dumped)"
[21:35] <bjsnider> DanaG, don't you have that bug during every release cycle?
[21:35] <penguin42> Dink: apport or gdb should get you a backtrace especially if you install the -dbgsym packages, however it's still hard to track an OOo bug down
[21:36] <DanaG> Nope, that bug is new.
[21:36] <DanaG> It's saying "ClickPad Mode Enabled"... and thus treating my middle button as a left button.
[21:36] <DanaG> That trips me up 100% of the time I try to open a link in a new tab.
[21:36] <bjsnider> you didn't have a huge touchpad problem in the lucid cycle?
[21:36] <penguin42> DanaG: I've had a few weirdo touchpad issues in the last few weeks; it seems happyish at the moment
[21:37] <DanaG> A problem I had last time (and still have) was with my other system, a netbook -- the touchpad "spazzing" all over the screen.
[21:37] <DanaG> It seems to happen less frequently now.
[21:37] <Dink> penguin42, nothing gets triggered. I only noticed that message when I ran it via cli
[21:38] <penguin42> Dink: you could try running it in gdb, or you might find that apport has dropped a log in /var/crash
[21:39] <Dink> ahh there it goes thanks
[21:40] <DanaG> I have tons of my bugs that have had zero comments this whole time.
[21:40] <DanaG> Or rather, most of my bug reports this cycle seem to have been ignored.
[21:40] <penguin42> DanaG: Want to share some? I'm happy to see if I also see them
[21:40] <yofel> for kernel bugs that's not really surprising, there are too few developers for too many bugs
[21:41] <penguin42> it's true for most; you have to be pretty lucky to get them looked at
[21:41] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~danagoyette
[21:43] <yofel> yeah, but https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~danagoyette/+reportedbugs lists only 6 and at least one is confirmed :P
[21:43] <penguin42> DanaG: Have you got your Xorg.0.log to attach to the clickpad one?
[21:44] <yofel> I have unanswered ones too, so don't be unhappy https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/+reportedbugs
[21:44] <DanaG> It's a kernel bug, not an Xorg bug.
[21:44] <DanaG> Same issue happens even with evtest at console.
[21:44] <penguin42> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-treblig/+reportedbugs
[21:44] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/332081
[21:44] <DanaG> And this one, I even attached a patch for.
[21:47] <penguin42> your extace one seems to have a fix for
[21:50] <penguin42> yofel: Your 'every second time it boots' one is great on console misalignment
[21:50] <yofel> please don't ask me, that's what happened, and I rebooted over a dozen times...
[21:51] <penguin42> yeh, its a kind of fun bug
[22:49]  * penguin42 drops a pin
[23:01]  * charlie-tca can't hear the pin drop
[23:02]  * BUGabundo cleans charlie-tca ears with a 20" pole
[23:09] <Dink> Is there a way to stop mutter from trying to maximize everything I open ?
[23:10] <Dink> err Unity
[23:10] <BUGabundo> no
[23:10] <BUGabundo> at least not from design
[23:27] <DanaG> argh, stupid mtools... I tried to name a fat16 volume angstrom-boot, it instead made it ANGSTROM-BO
[23:27] <DanaG> WHY HELLO THERE, CAPS!
[23:42] <penguin42> ah technology


[01:14] <shades> xubuntu uses QT libraries primarily?
[03:02] <maniac_> I need a little help, I'm new on xubuntu
[03:03] <maniac_> I'm Windows user to be exact :)
[03:05] <maniac_> I just installed xubuntu on my old laptop (KDS) it has Trident Cyberblade video card and it will take 640x480 resolution so it shows BIG black margen all around ti and I don't know how to install the right video driver or correct this.
[03:06] <maniac_> Any help will be apreciate! :)
[03:06] <joshwill1995> IM A NEWBIE
[04:12] <Foxamemnon> Greetings.  Does anybody know what the minimum amount of memory needed to install Xubuntu (command-line system) is?  I'm trying to put it on a laptop with 64MB of RAM but I keep running out of memory in the installer when it is loading the initial list of udebs off the CD (i.e. very early).  I found a help page on the Ubuntu site and it says 64MB is the minimum and that it should work.
[04:16] <Khedron> Foxamemnon: 64 is minimum to install from the alternative cd, 192 from the live
[04:17] <Khedron> Foxamemnon: you won't be able to run xubuntu with 64 though
[04:21] <Balsaq> xubuntu i slow on 256 ram...starts running good at 512
[04:22] <Foxamemnon> Khedron: That's what I'm doing.  I'm using the Xubuntu alternate CD and selecting the "install command line system" mode (in the F4 boot menu).  It boots, I select KB type, then it scans the CD, then it starts loading a bunch of default udebs for the installer to work.  At this point it will run out of memory while loading one of them and the OOM killer gets working.  :(
[04:24] <Khedron> Foxamemnon: you would be better off using debian for a system that low in resources, that will install a very very minimal system
[04:26] <Foxamemnon> Khedron: Okay, that was my next step.  Seems like it might be my only step.  I just hope the Debian text installer uses less memory than the X/Ubuntu text installer.
[04:27] <Khedron> it's the same installer, but I think the minimum for it is 32
[04:44] <MechanicalYeti> Anybody else have ogg video problems in firefox?  I'm getting constant freeze-ups.
[05:00] <pepe> hi there
[05:00] <pepe> i need help
[05:01] <pepe> I just installed xubuntu 10.10 and Teamviewer
[05:03] <pepe> when i launch teamviewer it gives me an error, says that i need to change the X server bit depth to 24 bits
[05:06] <Balsaq> do it
[09:31] <alpine101> can anyone tell me why installing 10.04 gives me 9.10 desktop
[09:31] <Sysi> same theme
[09:31] <alpine101> but is it the same os
[09:32] <alpine101> i mean kernel version etc
[09:33] <psycho_oreos> maybe you either have mislabelled it or downloaded the wrong file, etc
[18:31]  * likemindead is finally going to upgrade to 10.10 today! :D
[18:54] <MaximumResults> Hi everyone.   Today's question.  Parole Media player says "Could not initialise Xv output"
[18:54] <MaximumResults> thats Parole on xubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat
[19:01] <MaximumResults> Anybody here?
[19:02] <mark76> Yeah, but I have no idea what you're talking about :)
[19:03] <MaximumResults> Someone sent me a video in an email.
[19:03] <MaximumResults> Saved it, opened "Parole Media Player" on my Applications->Multimedia menu.
[19:04] <MaximumResults> And opened the file (a "*.flv" file)
[19:05] <mark76> I see
[19:05] <MaximumResults> When I click the play button, I get the popup error  window "Could not initialise Xv output" with a "Close" button.
[19:05] <MaximumResults> And it won't play.
[19:05] <mark76> That is odd
[19:06] <MaximumResults> New install on a "new" (to me at least) computer.   This is the first time I've tried to play a movie on this one.
[19:06] <MaximumResults> I'm not sure what video driver I have here.  How can I find that out?
[19:07] <mark76> Are you sure it's not a codec problem
[19:07] <mark76> It sounds like a codec problem
[19:08] <MaximumResults> Actually, isn't Xv the "direct" video mode for X that allows video players direct access to the video hardware?
[19:08] <mark76> Is it?
[19:08] <mark76> Well, you learn something new everyday :)
[19:09] <MaximumResults> Well, I opened a terminal and typed "xv" and hit tab, just to see what commands might start with that.
[19:10] <MaximumResults> I see "xvinfo" as a choice, so I took that.
[19:10] <MaximumResults> And I get
[19:10] <MaximumResults> X-Video Extension version 2.2
[19:10] <MaximumResults> screen #0
[19:10] <MaximumResults>  no adaptors present
[19:10] <mark76> Interesting
[19:10] <MaximumResults> So it looks like that extension isn't working on this hardware.
[19:11] <mark76> Here's what you should get http://paste.ubuntu.com/516970/
[19:12] <MaximumResults> I suspect it's some kind of video hardware/driver issue.  Probably something that didn't get set up properly at install time.
[19:12] <mark76> Probably
[19:12] <MaximumResults> Yeah, it should dump a bunch of video info like yours did.
[19:12] <mark76> What distro did you install?
[19:13] <MaximumResults> xubuntu 10.10, Maverick Meerkat
[19:13] <MaximumResults> The latest and (hopefully) greatest.
[19:14] <mark76> Odd. It should have done all the work of installing drivers for you
[19:14] <mark76> Tell me about your computer
[19:15] <MaximumResults> It's a Dell Inspiron 1150
[19:15] <MaximumResults> Pentium 4, 1G of RAM.
[19:15] <MaximumResults> 1024x768 15" screen.   It's a notebook.
[19:16] <MaximumResults> I'm not sure what video chipset it has.  I'm checking on specs right now.
[19:17] <mark76> Perhaps it's too old for a funky young distro like Maverick
[19:17] <MaximumResults> Maybe.  It's not that old.
[19:19] <MaximumResults> This one was sold in 2005, warranty (1 year) up in May 2006.   According to the Dell Website when I enter the service tag number.
[19:19] <mark76> Then I can't imagine why you're having so much trouble getting it to play a simple video
[19:19] <mark76> Have you tried playing it in mplayer?
[19:19] <mark76> Or VLC?
[19:19] <Sysi> install restricted-extras
[19:19] <mark76> Or even Xine?
[19:19] <Sysi> xubuntu-restricted extras
[19:21] <MaximumResults> I haven't installed any other players.  I did install restricted-extras at the initial installation.
[19:21] <MaximumResults> Flash player works.  I can play videos on youtube.
[19:22] <MaximumResults> I might install totem or mplayer and try those.
[19:22] <Sysi> could you open that .flv on firefox?
[19:23] <MaximumResults> it doesn't open directly on firefox.   It's the flv (the video stream), not the flash app that youtube uses to play them.
[19:24] <Sysi> it could be bug, on fedora i can hear sound but not see anything
[19:27] <MaximumResults> If I'm understanding the Dell website correctly, this thing has a NVIDIA nForce 750i SLI video chipset.
[19:29] <MaximumResults> scratch that.  Just downloaded the owner's manual.   According to that, it's an Intel chipset
[19:31] <MaximumResults> I think I'll try another video player.  Which is a best "lowest common denominator" video player?   mplayer? Totem?
[19:32] <Sysi> mplayer or vlc
[19:32] <MaximumResults> although I really think that I'll need to get the Xv issue fixed before any of them work.  I know for a fact that Totem uses Xv.  If Parole can't get that going, Totem won't work either.
[19:32] <MaximumResults> OK.  Let me try installing mplayer.
[19:32] <MaximumResults> Be back in a few after I get it downloaded and installed.
[19:57] <MaximumResults> Reporting back on the video issue.
[19:58] <MaximumResults> The issue seems to be limited to Parole Media Player.
[19:58] <MaximumResults> "Gnome MPlayer" and "Movie Player" (totem) work on this machine.
[19:59] <MaximumResults> I guess I need to report this issue someplace.
[20:00] <MaximumResults> Problem solved for today.   I'll probably stick with Totem and uninstall MPlayer.
[20:01] <MaximumResults> Thanks mark76 and Sysi
[21:49]  * likemindead finally got around to a fresh install of Xubuntu 10.10 and couldn't be happier. :D
[21:50] <charlie-tca> :-)
[22:23] <gnomefreak> there used to be a term that had a fold option (it would leave just the title of the window, you can unfold it as needed. what terminal is this with these options. im thinking it was related to XFCE
[22:24] <charlie-tca> I don't know that one. I use guake, which allows me to hit F12 for the terminal, F12 closes it again, but anything running in it stays going.
[22:25] <gnomefreak> yeah i use that sometimes. i had a screenshot of it but cant find it atm
[22:26] <Sysi> in xfce i can scroll on titlebar of any window and it shades
[22:27] <Sysi> can be set up in gnome and kde too
[22:27] <charlie-tca> Why not just use the shade icon?
[22:28] <Sysi> don't want to aim
[22:29] <gnomefreak> dont know what shade does and is it related to damn cant remember the name but visible effcts to use shade?
[22:29] <charlie-tca> shade rolls the window up to the title bar
[22:29] <Sysi> shade = only titlebar visible
[22:29] <gnomefreak> yes that is what im looking for
[22:29] <gnomefreak> i dont see an option in ngnome-term
[22:29] <Sysi> window manager feature
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Window Manager preferences, move the icon in to the + field
[22:30] <Sysi> see settings for windows, i only remeber they suck in gnome :P
[22:31] <gnomefreak> not sure where you are looking. i dont see anything
[22:32] <charlie-tca> Applications -> Settings -> Xfce 4 Settings Manager -> Window Manager
[22:32] <Sysi> if you use gnome, we don't know
[22:32] <charlie-tca> first tab
[22:32] <charlie-tca> Don't think you get to pick them in Gnome
[22:32] <charlie-tca> Everything is preset for you
[22:32] <Sysi> maybe with gconf-editor
[22:33] <Sysi> but you can set that scrolling action
[22:34] <Sysi> it's kinda hard when you know what you want
[22:34] <gnomefreak> ok be beack going to xfce i hope
[22:34] <Sysi> harder to think something else could be good too, or get used to it
[22:35] <charlie-tca> One of those configuration things I really like about Xubuntu
[22:35] <Sysi> yeah
[22:36] <aubrey616> Hey, what tools are there to handle AES 256 encrypted files ?
[22:36] <charlie-tca> gpg?
[22:38] <aubrey616> charlie-tca, no, this is not a pgp encrypted file, i think
[22:39] <aubrey616> i think i found a tool, ccrypt
[22:39] <aubrey616> its in the ubuntu repos
[22:41] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: ok im in xfce. where do i find the option?
[22:41] <charlie-tca> Applications -> Settings -> Xfce 4 Settings Manager -> Window Manager
[22:41] <charlie-tca> first tab
[22:41] <charlie-tca> button layout
[22:41] <charlie-tca> hover over them to see what they are
[22:42] <gnomefreak> just click shade?
[22:43] <charlie-tca> move it to roght or left of title, where ever you prefer it
[22:44] <gnomefreak> yeah its on right thats fine for me. now i have to see if it will work with gnome-term since i cant find a terminal option to make it "Linux Terminal"
[22:44] <gnomefreak> crap
[22:45] <charlie-tca> I like having the buttons I want, and where I want them
[22:49] <gnomefreak> how do i remove the desktop icons?
[22:49] <charlie-tca> Applications -> Settings -> Xfce 4 Settings Manager -> Desktop
[22:49] <mark76> Settings/Desktop/Icons
[22:49] <gnomefreak> its been a long time since i used it, now im trying to set it up
[22:50] <charlie-tca> remove the few by unclicking, or remove them all by setting icon type
[22:50] <gnomefreak> im not seeing manager
[22:51] <charlie-tca> no settings manager?
[22:51] <charlie-tca> should be in the same place as where you found window manager. Just pick Desktop instead
[22:52] <gnomefreak> i see xfce 4 settings, but when it opens nothing that is just "manager" they have other things like window manager
[22:52] <gnomefreak> i didnt see that i dont think
[22:52] <charlie-tca> You have Desktop in that ?
[22:52] <Sysi> different settings
[22:52] <gnomefreak> oh i thought it said disply
[23:18] <rick__> does someone have to be using the same bittorrent program as me to share files with one another?
[23:19] <aubrey616> no
[23:19] <aubrey616> bittorrent is a protocol like http (web)
[23:20] <rick__> my friend is using windows.  how do i find his computer to start the transmission?
[23:20] <aubrey616> rick__, you dont, first you have to create a torrent, then he can download that file.
[23:21] <aubrey616> or vice versa, depends who is sharing
[23:21] <rick__> how do i save something as a torrent?  sorry to be a pain. information overload in the forums.
[23:22] <aubrey616> if its just you two, do a ftp instead. To create a torrent you use a torrent software like transmission
[23:22] <aubrey616> open transmission, its in the internet menu
[23:23] <aubrey616> transmission is a bittorrent client
[23:23] <rick__> looking...
[23:23] <aubrey616> Choose File > New  - then you create your torrent (file or whatever it is you want to share over bittorent network)
[23:25] <aubrey616> after you created your torrent you can email him the file or you can post it on a tracker like piratebay if you want to share the world
[23:26] <rick__> i can email him the torrent, and he opens it using his bittorrent software?
[23:26] <aubrey616> yep.
[23:27] <rick__> cool. thanks for the help.  we'll try to get started.
[23:27] <aubrey616> if its just you two, but then whats the point.
[23:27] <rick__> he's trying to send me p90x.  files are huge.
[23:27] <aubrey616> ok.
[23:29] <aubrey616> g'night.