[00:00] <paultag> Rather then a 10 in looks and 5 in smarts, I'd take a 7 in looks and 8 in smarts
[00:01] <paultag> (given a 15 total score, of course)
[00:02] <rrnwexec> paultag: got a sec for some UCW stuff?
[00:03] <paultag> rrnwexec: sure, of course
[00:24] <jcastro> pleia2: heya
[00:25] <jcastro> so when is john planned to go on?
[00:25] <pleia2> jcastro: in 20 minutes
[00:25] <jcastro> ok
[00:26] <pleia2> (he can be late, it's early that we were worried about :))
[00:26] <jcastro> oh ok
[00:26] <jcastro> awesome
[00:26] <jcastro> depends, smoser is being boring. :)
[00:26] <jcastro> (j/k)
[00:26] <pleia2> hahah
[00:27] <nigelb> jcastro: dammit, all the cool guys are in your loco :|
[00:28] <nigelb> jcastro: Isn't DBO somewhere near you too? :)
[00:28] <pleia2> nigelb: pfft, some are in mine too
[00:28] <nigelb> pleia2: between fl, ca, and mi, we have a whole lot of cool people :)
[00:30] <nhandler> What about IL ?
[00:30] <jono> pleia2, can you give rrnwexec access to the Classroom Cal?
[00:30] <jono> thanks
[00:31] <pleia2> rrnwexec: what's your gmail account you use for calendars so I can invite you?
[00:31] <pleia2><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is already on there
[00:33] <rrnwexec> pleai2: that's the one. let me log in and check my access
[00:36] <rrnwexec> pleia2: i'm in :)
[00:37] <pleia2> rrnwexec: just be very careful with the syntax, otherwise you break the bot
[00:37] <pleia2> so let us know if you add any sessions so we can review it in #ubuntu-classroom-backstage
[00:37] <rrnwexec> pleia2: will do thanks
[00:37] <pleia2> (typically people just ask us to add sessions rather than giving direct access - breaking the calendar can break the bot for all sessions in classroom)
[00:38] <pleia2> .ics is finicky :)
[00:45] <jcastro> jono: can I get an RT on this pls: https://twitter.com/#!/ubuntuunity/status/80782444109905920
[00:46] <jono> jcastro, done
[00:46] <jcastro> ta.
[00:47] <jcastro> man, this event is awesome
[00:47] <jcastro> loco driven lightning event = ftw.
[00:47] <nigelb> heh
[00:54] <jcastro> pleia2: 5 minutes?
[00:54] <pleia2> sure
[01:01] <jcastro> pleia2: ok he's started the presentation
[01:02] <jcastro> so I will just pretend to start a class
[01:02] <pleia2> sounds good
[01:18] <jcastro> pleia2: awesome, all done. Thanks! <3
[01:18] <pleia2> jcastro: sure thing! :)
[01:18] <nigelb> jcastro: \o/
[01:18] <nigelb> jcastro: PICS OR IT NEVER HAPPENED
[01:18] <nigelb> :)
[01:24] <nhandler> Hmm...I just remembered, lernid can be used as the ultimate rick roll ;)
[01:24] <nigelb> nhandler: dammit, you shouldn't have said it aloud :P
[01:25] <nigelb> New security bug!
[01:25] <nhandler> nigelb: Well, it restricts who can send it URLs
[01:25] <nigelb> nhandler: classroom team can bypassthat ;)
[01:25]  * nigelb plots evil during jcastro's next session
[01:26] <nigelb> j/k :)
[01:26] <nhandler> nigelb: I have a great image for that session ;)
[01:27] <nhandler> nigelb: See the pic I PMed you ;)
[01:28] <nigelb> nhandler: TOTALLY!
[01:28] <nigelb> nhandler: nixternal?
[01:28] <nhandler> nigelb: Yep
[01:29] <nigelb> We can blackmail jcastro. For bug fixes!
[01:43] <nhandler> nigelb: Every few events, I toss that up on a projector
[02:27] <nigelb> nhandler: haha
[02:27] <paultag> nigelb: when are you getting one?
[02:27] <nigelb> paultag: Need to see if I can sweet talk mhall119 into not hacking it if I get it mailed to him ;)
[02:28] <paultag> nigelb: bah
[02:28] <paultag> nigelb: it's a good thing you did not ask me, I'd *SO* fsck with it
[02:28] <nigelb> paultag: I know!
[02:28] <nhandler> paultag: Is it actually worth getting a nook over some of those other tablets?
[02:28] <paultag> I'd burn in a new boot image
[02:28] <nigelb> nhandler: Yeah, cheap hackable android tablet :)
[02:28] <nigelb> nhandler: Also, e-ink <3
[02:28] <paultag> nhandler: well, depends. It's cheep (120 USD), and it's fast (CPU is nice), and eInk rules, but it's slow
[02:29] <paultag> nhandler: no audio card, no bluetooth (so far we have not hacked the kernel, but it's "doable"), nothing fancy, but it works and it's a solid platform
[02:29] <pleia2> no audio? the original nook played music
[02:29] <paultag> nhandler: touch screen is nice and responsive, but the unit it's self is crap for running video or audio
[02:29] <paultag> pleia2: yeah, they stripped it way down
[02:29] <nigelb> But really
[02:29] <nigelb> I want to read books
[02:30] <nigelb> not listen to music  :)
[02:30] <paultag> pleia2: I'm going to rebuild the kernel once they release source to enable Bluetooth, so I can do audio over the line. Turns out it comes with the audio player
[02:30] <pleia2> I've never actually used it :)
[02:30] <nigelb> pleia2: Now you're not getting a new one are you? :P
[02:30] <paultag> pleia2: the WiFi card has bluetooth onboard, which is cool, but it's disabled OTB
[02:30] <nhandler> paultag: Alright. I'm trying to figure out what I want to do for next year regarding computers. Right now, I have a cr-48 which I will use for notes, and I'm looking at a Thinkpad T520 as a new laptop
[02:30] <pleia2> paultag: interesting
[02:30] <paultag> it's the same card thats in the Nook Color
[02:30] <paultag> pleia2: I'm working on doing some nifty things after I get Nookie working
[02:30] <pleia2> :)
[02:31] <mhall119> nigelb: did you just give up on sleep?
[02:31] <paultag> nhandler: that sounds about right
[02:31] <nigelb> mhall119: Yeah.
[02:31] <paultag> pleia2: it's so close, but I know such little android that GUI development is going *SO SLOWLY*
[02:31] <nigelb> 01:27 < nigelb> its too bright!
[02:31] <nigelb> 01:27 < nigelb> UDS all over again.
[02:31] <nigelb> mhall119: ^^
[02:31] <nhandler> paultag: I just need to decide if it is worth chopping off some features from the laptop to get a tablet or not, and then I need to decide what I'll use the tablet for ;)
[02:31] <paultag> pleia2: the libs are complete, but it's a pain to get all the stuff implemented
[02:31] <nigelb> Just got a new laptop stand and keyboard. ebay in the morning is dangerous
[02:32] <paultag> nhandler: the Nook is nice, but PDFs can be hard, it's reflow code can break pretty easy. It has some issues with barfing on some files pretty bad
[02:32] <pleia2> paultag: *nod*
[02:32] <paultag> nhandler: it should work in most cases, but not all, and frankly, that's not good enough
[02:32] <paultag> nhandler: I'd not use it for school if it were me, but that's just me.
[02:32] <paultag> We had computers in class anyway, so I just relied on them, and if they failed, it was not on me :)
[02:32] <nigelb> Now I'm convinced paultag isn't being paid by B and N to spread the Nook love to Ubuntu folks :P
[02:33] <paultag> nigelb: I'm fixing the mistakes they left in :)
[02:33] <nigelb> paultag: "mistakes" or mistakes? ;)
[02:33] <paultag> it's good as a toy right now, I want to use it for real work
[02:33] <nhandler> paultag: Yep. Although I'm not too thrilled about spending 2k on a laptop right now
[02:33] <paultag> miss. steaks
[02:33] <nigelb> heh
[02:33] <paultag> nhandler: yeah, I was not either. I broke it sophmore year, right before I headed back to school.
[02:33] <paultag> nhandler: I ended up getting a desktop and a netbook
[02:34] <paultag> nhandler: I figured I did not need to do any heavy lifting when I was out of my room, and I was right. Never missed a fullsized laptop when I was in school
[02:34] <nigelb> mhall119: I'm actually scared to step into the used books store in my city.
[02:34] <nigelb> mhall119: I'm afraid I'll spend all my money right there :)
[02:34] <mhall119> nigelb: the way they drive over there, I'd be afraid to step out
[02:34] <mhall119> ;)
[02:34] <nigelb> mhall119: Oh, you haven't seen me drive ;)
[02:35] <mhall119> and god willing I never will
[02:35] <paultag> nhandler: ended up about 800 for the desktop in parts (I had tons lying around, so it was cheep), and the netbook was about 300, so you get out with about 1,100 USD
[02:35] <nigelb> mhall119: I should take you on a ride on my Bike through Bangalore city.
[02:35] <paultag> and you have the chrome book, so you don't even need a netbook
[02:35] <nigelb> paultag, nhandler: starcraftman's b'day today!
[02:36] <nigelb> where today = 15th June
[02:36] <nhandler> paultag: The cr-48 is fine if I am working in a terminal, but there are certain things where having an actual desktop and multiple windows is useful. I also need somewhere to put all of my music/videos :)
[02:36] <paultag> wooo, I love that kid
[02:36] <paultag> nhandler: yeah, I used a desktop for that (actually, my netbook has 160 GB, so it has movies and music for hack sessions)
[02:37] <paultag> but the rest, that is
[02:38] <nhandler> Well, right now, this is the computer I'm looking at http://paste.ubuntu.com/626997/
[02:38] <paultag> nhandler: looks like a solid machine. Sucks you have a windows tax on there, though
[02:39] <paultag> better video card in that then in my desktop. Tis a sad day.
[02:39] <nhandler> paultag: They had no option to get rid of it :(
[02:39] <paultag> nhandler: yeah, I hear ya. Happened to my Netbook. Sometimes you can't avoid it. System76 rules, but they're hella expensive
[02:39] <paultag> nhandler: you figure we should get a discount for working on it's OS :)
[02:41] <paultag> I'm half kidding. I don't expect it, but in a perfect world ;)
[02:41] <nhandler> Discounts are always nice. Although, I do like the dual mouse setup on thinkpads
[02:41] <mhall119> in a perfect world, they'd be selling enough that their margins would allow discounts
[02:41] <paultag> mhall119: that's true.
[02:41] <paultag> nhandler: aye
[02:42] <mhall119> course, that's the world we're all working towards aren't we?
[02:42] <paultag> sure is
[02:42] <paultag> If I ever opened up a coffee shop or something (not out of the question), I'd find a way to give F/OSS hackers discounted coffee when they're working on a project
[02:42] <nigelb> man, this guy cracks me up https://twitter.com/#!/DEVOPS_BORAT/status/80758245744058368
[02:42] <paultag> perhaps free if I like the project enough
[02:43] <paultag> nigelb: hehe
[02:43] <mhall119> paultag: just have them sign something with their GPG key, and compare it to the projects they claim to work on
[02:43] <nigelb> launchpad integration!
[02:43] <paultag> mhall119: I was thinking that, but if they just put it on a flash drive, they can just give them out to their friends
[02:43] <nigelb> and github and bitbucket
[02:43] <paultag> nigelb: I was thinking that too, but they'd have to auth at a workstation
[02:44] <paultag> nigelb: if it were a USB key I'd love that, they can just plug in and my system will see it
[02:44] <mhall119> paultag: put what on a flash drive?
[02:44] <paultag> mhall119: a GPG signed list of projects or something
[02:44] <nigelb> paultag: Interesting.
[02:44] <paultag> then compare the sig to lp, github or bitbucket
[02:44] <paultag> no google code for you
[02:44] <paultag> perhaps if it fetched their avitar and showed that up too
[02:45] <paultag> but some people don't have their real face as the logo
[02:45] <mhall119> paultag: no, you give them a random number for them to sign, you get the public key listed on their project and verify it
[02:45] <paultag> mhall119: that requires they sign for every cup, which is kinda lame
[02:45] <paultag> mhall119: I'd want something where they can walk up, plug in, order, plug out
[02:45] <paultag> but it's tough, even with GPG
[02:45] <mhall119> setup online ordering
[02:45] <paultag> mhall119: for in-store folks?
[02:46] <mhall119> too bad FireGPG is abandoned
[02:46] <mhall119> paultag: in-store nerds
[02:46] <paultag> humm
[02:46] <paultag> write a CLI tool
[02:46] <nigelb> paultag: really, just give them cashback
[02:46] <paultag> sudo request-coffee --sugar --milk
[02:46] <nigelb> paultag: or a discount for next time
[02:46] <nigelb> so, that way, you can give them discount + return customers
[02:46] <mhall119> oh, you'd have to sell sandwiches then
[02:46] <paultag> actually, that's too long. sudo request-coffee --regular
[02:46] <nigelb> and you get do a verification
[02:46] <paultag> mhall119: well yeah :)
[02:47] <paultag> nigelb: yeah, but that's such a long process
[02:47] <mhall119> but really, requiring root to order coffee?
[02:47] <paultag> but anyway, my F/OSS cafe is a long way off
[02:47] <paultag> mhall119: well yeah
[02:47] <paultag> mhall119: you don't want everyone on your coffee account
[02:47] <paultag> well I guess it's not a system account
[02:47] <paultag> so it should be per user, which means no sudo
[02:47] <paultag> so I guess no sudo
[02:47] <mhall119> sudo -u secretcoffeeuser request-coffee
[02:47] <nigelb> there's a local hackerspace + creative common space that's going to have coworking + cafe
[02:47] <nigelb> I wonder they'll do something like this
[02:48] <paultag> nigelb: It would work if I could somehow get accurate photos of the people who I'm "serving"
[02:48] <paultag> Oh! Facebook! Auto-stalk their photo from the internet
[02:48] <mhall119> I wish I had a GPG-enabled credit card
[02:48] <paultag> mhall119: truth
[02:49] <nigelb> mhall119: s/credit//
[02:49] <nigelb> with cardreads etc
[02:49] <paultag> nigelb: like bitcoin, but physical?
[02:49] <nigelb> *card-readers
[02:49] <paultag> those are GPG'd, and credit-based
[02:49] <nigelb> paultag: No, like ID cards
[02:49] <mhall119> instead of a physical signature, they send the reciept text to my card with a random number, I sign it and pass it back, they send the signed reciept to my bank, who verifies my signature and pays them
[02:49] <nigelb> hey, I'm $foo here for keysigning
[02:49] <nhandler> paultag: You could use a ~/.coffee file to store preferred coffee options
[02:50] <paultag> nhandler: truth!
[02:50]  * nigelb takes a stepback to see how geeky this conversation got
[02:50] <paultag> ~/.coffeerc
[02:50] <paultag> export COFFEE_DEFAULT="--black"
[02:50] <nhandler> paultag: I might need to implement that next year. They have a coffee stand at the CS building ;)
[02:50] <paultag> nhandler: I was actually thinking the same thing, but with the coffee machine upstairs
[02:51] <paultag> I bet I can get an arduino wired up to brew
[02:51] <paultag> and I only take coffee black, so all is well
[02:51] <nigelb> perfect arduno hacking project
[02:51] <paultag> nigelb: nook first :)
[02:51] <mhall119> paultag: I have a nook problem
[02:52] <nhandler> I have an arduino, but I don't have the knowledge (and probably parts) to do that (yet)
[02:52] <mhall119> i just downloaded like 50 public domain or CC'd books for my nook
[02:52] <paultag> mhall119: sure
[02:52] <paultag> nhandler: it's fairly simple to do with a few relays, or a few TIP transistors
[02:52] <mhall119> so, now whenever I have enough free time to hack it, it also means I have enough free time to read nerdy/intellectuall stuff (for free!)
[02:53] <paultag> mhall119: oh no
[02:53] <mhall119> rooting my have to wait until I'm done with Tolsoy
[02:53] <paultag> mhall119: time to break into your nook and rm -rf it all
[02:53] <mhall119> lol
[02:53] <nhandler> mhall119: You also reminded me, I need to find someone to make me a basic cli app that copies a song/video to my iPod touch (after checking it isn't already on the device)
[02:54] <paultag> mhall119: it's ok. Take your time.  You'll start to feel the itch. It'll be dull at first (Oooh, shiny new toy!), but then. One day. The settings menu won't have enough options. You'll touch buttons before they show up. You'll throw it around. You'll be back. They always come back.
[02:58] <mhall119> heh, no doubt
[03:13] <paultag> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACq6JV4pYXQ&feature=related ← I can't get this out of my head. it's been there all day. This band rocks. Figure I'll spread the love
[03:14] <nhandler> Wow. I just went to music.google.com by chance, and it said I was invited. Turns out I completely missed the email yesterday
[03:15] <nigelb> dammit
[03:15] <nigelb> Not available outside of US
[03:16] <nhandler> nigelb: Try Grooveshark
[03:18] <pleia2> nhandler: huh, me too! I don't think I got an email...
[03:18]  * pleia2 headscratch
[03:19] <nhandler> pleia2: Search your email. I didn't remember seeing it either.
[03:20] <pleia2> was filtered strangely
[03:20] <nigelb> nhandler: I use grooveshark often, but I thought google music would have been cool :)
[03:21] <nhandler> nigelb: The interface works a bit better (and the free music selection is not too bad), but other than that, not too different
[03:21]  * nhandler really wants a site that does videos
[03:45] <mhall119> you mean MTV?
[03:53] <nigelb> heh
[03:53] <IdleOne> mtv does videos now?
[03:54] <mhall119> s/now/15 years ago/
[03:54] <IdleOne> yeah back in the day they did
[04:36] <paultag> hey IdleOne
[04:36] <paultag> howareya? Long time no see
[06:37] <jono> http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/15/metal-free-software-song-2-this-time-its-personal/
[06:37] <jono> :-)
[06:43] <AlanBell> ah, I thought that was going to be a metal-free software song
[06:52] <jono> :-)
[07:34] <dholbach> good morning
[08:04] <dpm> good morning
[08:10] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:11] <dpm> morgen dholbach
[08:58] <kim0> morning
[09:22] <nigelb> morning
[09:22] <nigelb> dpm: Hi
[09:23] <nigelb> dpm: for developer.ubuntu.com, do you have a style guide or an example article for me to write a new one? (I have a WI)
[09:24] <dpm> hi nigelb, not yet, but if you want to start with it, perhaps we can use yours to create that reference article. What do you think?
[09:24] <nigelb> dpm: heh, ok, so what are we focusing on? GUI applications right?
[09:26] <dpm> nigelb, yeah, yours was on python, so perhaps writing a "Hello Ubuntu" app with quickly. Or something slightly different and more exciting...
[09:26] <nigelb> dpm: I'll see what I can come up with today :)
[09:27] <nigelb> dpm: I'll probably do 3 or 4 iterations before its perfect, but I'd like to start.
[09:28] <dpm> nigelb, sounds excellent :)
[09:28] <nigelb> :)
[09:49] <czajkowski> todays annoying bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/681596
[09:49] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 681596 in ubuntu-community-webthemes/light-drupal-theme "light-drupal-theme contains hardcoded resources" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[09:56] <nigelb> czajkowski: How do you want to see it fixed?
[09:56] <nigelb> like, I can either talk to the guys involved or help do it myself.
[09:56] <czajkowski> i'm trying to read the scroll back in -website
[09:56] <czajkowski> basically lococouncil has a blog
[09:56] <czajkowski> we wanted to theme it
[09:57] <czajkowski> but seemingly we cant upload this theme to wp
[09:57] <czajkowski> wp.com
[09:57] <nigelb> yes, because of trademark.
[09:57] <czajkowski> yes which is a bit of a pita from our point
[09:57] <czajkowski> so we can a) theme it any old way
[09:58] <czajkowski> b) just try and get blog hosted on a canonical server so we can get it uploaded there
[09:58] <czajkowski> lotta hassle
[09:58] <czajkowski> and just flipping annoying
[09:58] <nigelb> I agree :(
[09:59] <nigelb> If there is a way I can help with this process, let me know.
[09:59] <nigelb> I'd be happy to be involved in any way
[09:59] <czajkowski> thank
[10:01] <head_victim> I'm waiting on an RT so we can think about using the theme for our loco.
[10:01] <czajkowski> head_victim: got a rt number
[10:01] <head_victim> 16894
[10:01] <czajkowski> so in the mood to do anything else bar stuff i need to do
[10:02] <czajkowski> this will distract me
[10:02] <head_victim> Being worked on apparently, I just asked for an update recently.
[10:02] <head_victim> Just thought I'd throw it out there as seemed semi-related
[10:05] <czajkowski> done
[10:06] <head_victim> Cheers, I realise it's provided as a service and I'm not one to complain, was just hoping it hadn't been left in a corner is all.
[10:09] <nigelb> dholbach: \o/ We're doing lightning talks this time too :)
[10:09] <dholbach> nigelb, yeah, I added a placeholder session already :)
[10:10] <czajkowski> head_victim: it's not
[10:10] <nigelb> dholbach: It was seriously good last time (despite me having to stay up till 0330)
[10:10] <czajkowski> but the thing you want effects a lotta  things so i guess 3 weeks wasn't enough testing
[10:11] <head_victim> Yeah, I'm not sure who uses canonical hosting and who doesn't (seems quite varied) but they didn't even seem to be overly aware of the community drupal theme when I brought it up.
[10:11] <dholbach> nigelb, yeah, that's unfortunate :/
[10:12] <nigelb> dholbach: considering I often sleep at 0400 and 0430, not really :P
[10:12] <head_victim> And in my research all the non canonical hosted ones look most like the new theme and the canonical hosted ones look dated. So trying to get my loco excited about it again I thought a refresh was in order.
[10:12] <dholbach> nigelb, yeah, you're just a bit special :)
[10:12] <nigelb> hehe
[10:13] <nigelb> btw, Brian is awesome.
[10:13] <nigelb> Brian Thompson
[10:13] <nigelb> I think he works for Online Services
[10:13] <nigelb> He wrote a selinium script to catch all the library change build failures.
[10:13] <nigelb> We should have the list today
[10:19] <dholbach> nice
[10:58] <dpm> hey everyone, if your language is not listed in the table https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA - do you think you could install the language packs in natty-proposed + Firefox 5, quickly test them and add the feedback there?
[10:59] <dpm> there are instructions on that page on how to do the test, and by doing this you'll be providing fresh translations for thousands of people
[10:59] <dpm> so any help will be appreciated, thanks!
[12:23] <czajkowski> paultag: I'm on a roll
[13:32] <jcastro> morning!
[13:32] <dpm> hey jcastro, good morning!
[13:35]  * dholbach hugs kim0
[13:35] <kim0> hehe
[13:36]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[13:36] <dholbach> you guys rock! :)
[13:36]  * dpm hugs dholbach ;)
[13:37] <czajkowski> gah
[13:37] <czajkowski> dholbach: jcastro dpm ye have mail can one of you forward it to kim0 I forgot his address
[13:37] <czajkowski> thanks
[13:37] <czajkowski> sorry kim0
[13:37] <kim0> yeah :)
[13:38] <kim0> I thought .. I'm right here :)
[13:39] <dpm> czajkowski, kim0, done
[13:39] <czajkowski> dpm: thank you
[13:40] <dpm> czajkowski, same as his nick + @ ubuntu.com
[13:40] <czajkowski> kim0: sorry I didn't have your address in my address book
[13:40] <czajkowski> will know for future
[13:40] <kim0> czajkowski: oh np
[13:40] <dpm> czajkowski, btw, thanks for the tips!
[13:40] <czajkowski> dpm: np
[13:42] <jcastro> czajkowski: thanks for that, that's awesome
[13:42] <czajkowski> no worries just some small snippets
[13:43] <dholbach> thaks a lot czajkowski! :)
[13:43] <dpm> I've forwarded the tea part to mvo
[13:44] <czajkowski> :)
[13:44] <czajkowski> forward it onto anyone
[13:44] <jcastro> I am debating just forwarding it to -platform internally
[13:44] <czajkowski> I know some folks liek TEa and those 2 places are great
[13:45] <czajkowski> jcastro: can do I've sent it to some lp folks and others I know but didnt want to spam folks
[13:45] <czajkowski> and may want to take out the slapper face jacks bit :s
[13:46] <jcastro> I'll just put it on the wiki later
[13:48] <czajkowski> :)
[14:20] <mhall119> paultag: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/15/starbucks-rolls-out-mobile-payment-app-for-android-users-java-j/
[14:33] <jcastro> If anyone wants to rock out today: http://outloud.fm/UbuntuAllstars
[15:05] <mhall119> jcastro: someone should compile a UDS Greatest Hits album
[15:05] <mhall119> and put it up on the U1 Music Store
[15:06] <nigelb> mhall119: This will top the list of UDS hits http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E2j-YS_yeo
[15:06] <nigelb> Or alternatively, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rq29cqNv0U
[15:07] <Pendulum> someone should really make Rock'n'Roll Nerd CoC-friendly and sing that at the next UDS Allstars
[15:07] <jcastro> oh god
[15:08] <jcastro> times I wish YT had deletion
[15:08] <nigelb> heh
[15:08]  * vish thinks jcastro is in "DELETE the web" mode ;)
[15:09] <nigelb> jcastro: Bribe scott, that might work.
[15:09] <vish> Forums delete, LP delete, YT delete ;p
[15:09] <nigelb> :D
[15:10] <mhall119> wiki delete
[15:42] <paultag> mhall119: buhahaha
[15:59] <jcastro> hey so
[15:59] <jcastro> how do I get write access to the fridge calendar?
[15:59] <czajkowski> can someone make me food !
[16:00] <czajkowski> mhall119: can I have your wife please
[16:00] <czajkowski> jcastro: talk nicely to pleia2  :)
[16:00] <jcastro> oh I get it
[16:00] <jcastro> need to be signed in with a U or C account
[16:01] <pleia2> your c account is the one that's on there
[16:02] <pleia2> (I think - akgraner and nhandler are admins, they can chcek for sure)
[16:02] <jcastro> I'm in, ta
[16:02] <pleia2> :)
[16:07] <mhall119> czajkowski: I'm kind of fond of her, not sure I'll give her up
[16:08] <nigelb> ^^ that is getting pasted to her :P
[16:08] <mhall119> czajkowski: but come visit and she'll feed you
[16:08] <maco> cheese grits!
[16:09] <maco> heh the grits broke Riddell's brain. i told him it's like porridge from corn
[16:09] <mhall119> we had that a couple nights ago
[16:09] <mhall119> lol
[16:09] <nigelb> haha
[16:09] <czajkowski> minus the cheese yes grits please
[16:09] <mhall119> grits without cheese?
[16:09] <czajkowski> and some of the bbq ribs that just fell off the bone
[16:09] <maco> apparently when he hears "porridge" he thinks "muesli" so he goes "my family makes artisan porridge. this is NOT porridge!"
[16:09] <Pendulum> mhall119: czajkowski doesn't like cheese. she's a bit odd like that.
[16:09] <nhandler> jcastro: But you should still be able to add events even without having direct access
[16:10] <czajkowski> Pendulum: except on pasta
[16:10] <czajkowski> thenn I agree i need it
[16:10] <jcastro> with a normal jorge.castro@gmail account?
[16:10] <nigelb> jcastro: invite the calender to your event.
[16:10] <nigelb> something like that
[16:10] <nigelb> its documented somewhere
[16:10] <mhall119> grits without cheese is like tea without ice
[16:10] <nhandler> But I don't have the ability to manage charing on that calendar pleia2, jcastro
[16:11] <nigelb> but, tea with ice sounds blasphemous
[16:11] <mhall119> s/blasphemous/delicious/
[16:11] <paultag> czajkowski: spam, buhahaha
[16:12] <czajkowski> paultag: so help me tagg I am gonna go there and kick your behind!
[16:12] <paultag> czajkowski: enjoy your 20 emails >:D
[16:12] <mhall119> czajkowski: I make my own chili powder now, so the ribs are even better
[16:12] <nigelb> whoever has doubts about bbq should hereforth be refered to zack pfeffer
[16:12] <czajkowski> all I've had all day is tea and toast and emails want nice food
[16:12] <Pendulum> nigelb / jcastro: is this what you're looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar ?
[16:12] <nigelb> I'm sure mhall119 and zach taught me all about bbq now.
[16:13] <jcastro> yeah I followed that
[16:13] <nigelb> Pendulum: YES!
[16:13] <jcastro> but whatever, logging in with my canonical account worked
[16:13] <maco> mhall119: or iced tea without sugar!
[16:13] <jcastro> (grumble grumble wish google had better multiaccount support)
[16:13] <maco> mhall119: but actually...i cant much say that...as i like grits just fine on their own
[16:13] <mhall119> maco: I drink mine without sugar
[16:13] <maco> ive adopted crimsun's terminology for unsweet tea:   dirty dishwater
[16:14] <mhall119> s/dirty/delicious/
[16:14] <Pendulum> I have to say the southeners I know are split 50/50 on sweet tea
[16:14] <nigelb> have you all seen the cartoon about decaf coffee being made from the soil? ;)
[16:14] <mhall119> nigelb: yes, +1 for that
[16:14] <maco> Pendulum: the only southerners i know that go for unsweet are borderline diabetic and so are forced to
[16:14] <Pendulum> I went to a wedding in WV and it was almost exactly split between the groom's friends and bride's friends
[16:14] <maco> WV is the south?
[16:14] <Pendulum> maco: for sweet tea it is
[16:14] <maco> but...they gave VA the middle finger and went back with the union
[16:15] <mhall119> anything below Penn. is considered the south
[16:15] <czajkowski> ICE IN TEA IS WRONG!!!! ARE WE CLEAR!
[16:15] <czajkowski> so feckin' wrong
[16:15] <maco> mhall119: even MD?
[16:15] <Pici> mm.. iced tea.
[16:15] <mhall119> maco: yes
[16:15] <maco> but...restaurants dont serve sweet tea here
[16:15] <maco> not in northern VA either
[16:15] <Pici> Its less wrong than iced coffee.
[16:15] <Pendulum> czajkowski: in 35-degree weather you wouldn't want hot tea either
[16:15] <nigelb> Pici: +1 there
[16:15] <maco> sweet tea in Arlington? almost non-existent (except in my kitchen when i lived there)
[16:16] <mhall119> maco: sweet or unsweet varies in the south
[16:16] <Pendulum> maco: it was everwhere in WV (even in Morgantown)
[16:16] <maco> go to a japanese restaurant in SC though?  they default to iced sweet instead of hot green
[16:16] <czajkowski> Pendulum: no then I want mountain dew in bucket loads
[16:16] <paultag> ewww
[16:16] <mhall119> iced tea is better at cooling and hydrating
[16:17] <Pendulum> czajkowski: see, I try to avoid either too much sugar or too much artificial junk in my drinks. and less caffeine that mountain dew
[16:17] <mhall119> plus it's cheaper by the bucket load
[16:17] <czajkowski> grr I just had my inbox tidy
[16:17] <paultag> like hell you will keep it that way :)
[16:17]  * czajkowski glares at paultag
[16:17] <mhall119> paultag: lol
[16:17] <czajkowski> paultag: we need to send reminders :(
[16:17] <czajkowski> that means more mails right
[16:17] <czajkowski> feck
[16:17] <paultag> czajkowski: yar
[16:17] <mhall119> nature abhors a vacuum, and the internet abhors Inbox (0)
[16:18] <paultag> lulz
[16:18] <paultag> For science: OK, I say "New York" what do you all think?
[16:18] <paultag> quick, quick
[16:19] <mhall119> what's the question?
[16:19] <czajkowski> I think I'm gonna throttle paultag
[16:19] <Pici> Just word association?
[16:19] <paultag> czajkowski: please :)
[16:19] <paultag> Pici: yeah, real quick
[16:19] <paultag> first thing
[16:19] <paultag> czajkowski: this is for science
[16:19] <Pendulum> paultag: 'city or state?'
[16:19] <nigelb> Times Square?
[16:19] <paultag> THANK YOU
[16:19] <czajkowski> gah!
[16:19] <paultag> OK, perfect
[16:19] <paultag> thanks Pendulum :)
[16:19] <mhall119> Hamilton
[16:19] <czajkowski> ffs
[16:19] <paultag> great, awesome. Checking on my breakfast
[16:19] <czajkowski> paultag: you cannot have a standard with one exception being NY, simple as that
[16:19] <Pici> New York is the state for me.  NYC is 'the city', but then again, I'm rather close to it.
[16:20] <maco> hey Whovians: http://twitpic.com/5bxeg9
[16:20] <Pici> :P
[16:20] <nigelb> maco: did you see cjwatson open the meeting earlier? ;)
[16:20] <maco> no
[16:20] <paultag> Pici: czajkowski and I were bickering about if New York State LoCo was a propper name
[16:20] <maco> what meeting?
[16:21] <paultag> well I was bikering
[16:21] <paultag> she was being nice
[16:21] <paultag> I thought "New York" was too vauge for my taste
[16:21] <nigelb> maco: the one going on now.. (foundations?)
[16:21] <mhall119> paultag: standards!
[16:21] <mhall119> or cjohnston will file bugs
[16:21] <paultag> and all the other words that people said were about NYC
[16:21] <Pendulum> maybe it's a New England thing?
[16:21] <paultag> therefore the default "New York" is the City, so having it say state is right on IMHO
[16:21] <mhall119> mine wasn't NYC specific
[16:22] <paultag> yeah I guess, but most people default to NYC
[16:22] <paultag> OK, I'm making a breakfast, BRB :)
[16:22] <paultag> don't kill me czajkowski
[16:22] <nigelb> (yet)
[16:22] <maco> nigelb: what the crack?
[16:22] <maco> i can think of one more "city or state?"
[16:22] <maco> washington
[16:23] <czajkowski> mhall119: exactly a standard has to be that and we need to set it straight,
[16:23] <mhall119> city
[16:23] <czajkowski> washington is also on the list
[16:23] <mhall119> maco: ^^
[16:23] <mhall119> nobody ever considers Washington state
[16:23] <Pici> People near/in Washington state do.
[16:23] <mhall119> it's line Montana or Canada
[16:24] <jono> hey all
[16:25] <mhall119> hey, let's ask Jono
[16:25] <mhall119> jono: New York: city or state?
[16:26] <maco> mhall119: i once asked riddell to name all the states (he'd asked me to name the countries in europe, and i told him our smallest is bigger than their smallest, so GO) and he said wyoming like 3 times. i asked how he even knew it existed, and he said "there used to be a comic on the telly who's say 'wyoming doesnt exist!' and someone else would say 'well how do you know that?' and he'd answer 'have you ever MET anyone from wyoming??'"
[16:26] <mhall119> lol
[16:26] <mhall119> it's funny because it's true
[16:26] <mhall119> how many states did he get?
[16:26]  * maco has
[16:26] <maco> 13
[16:27] <maco> and that was with prompting like "we were there in november"
[16:27] <mhall119> probably as well as the average American
[16:27] <maco> and "it has a really big city with the same name as the state"
[16:27]  * Pendulum has been to Wyoming
[16:27]  * Pici too
[16:27] <jcastro> me too!
[16:27] <mhall119> it really is a beautiful state
[16:27] <Pendulum> yes :)
[16:27] <jono> mhall119, it is a state
[16:28] <mhall119> paultag: ^^ there ya go
[16:28] <jono> was I wrong?
[16:28] <maco> oh one of my prompts was "i'm from there" "dc?" "thats not a state" "oh" "the state im from is called the quaker state and is named after a very famous one" "fox?" "grrr" "penn? oh! pennsylvania?"
[16:28] <nigelb> jono: there was no right or wrong
[16:28] <mhall119> jono: technically either is true
[16:28] <jono> right
[16:28] <czajkowski> welcome to  my crazy chats with paultag
[16:28] <czajkowski> and ye wonder why I am crazy
[16:28] <mhall119> they're trying to decide if they need to specify that it's for the whole state in the loco's name
[16:28] <czajkowski> :)
[16:28] <jono> I thought it was a state with mainly New York and some other shit in there
[16:28] <czajkowski> jono: lol
[16:28] <mhall119> lol
[16:29] <nigelb> hahaha
[16:29] <maco> jono: the rest is trees and mountains
[16:29] <Pici> And traffic!
[16:29] <nigelb> and a small statute
[16:29] <maco> oh, and a canal
[16:29] <mhall119> jono: that's what everyone in NYC thinks too
[16:29] <czajkowski> jono: oddly enough I cant write than when explaining what a standard is
[16:29] <Pendulum> well considering that when I was in NYC most of the LoCo was 6+ hours from the city...
[16:29] <nigelb> Pendulum: but 10 km? P
[16:29] <nigelb> :P
[16:29] <czajkowski> Pendulum: the same can be said for Dublin
[16:29] <maco> haha
[16:29] <Pici> heh
[16:29] <czajkowski> it's not the dublin loco it;s the irish lcoo
[16:29] <mhall119> nigelb: lol
[16:30] <Pendulum> right, my point was that as the LoCo goes, there's very little sense of NYC (although it's grown)
[16:30] <pleia2> Pendulum: that's just because NYC people are difficult :) upstate folks will drive an hour to go to an event, NYC ones won't leave their neighborhood
[16:30] <czajkowski> Pendulum: aye
[16:30] <pleia2> ends up being very hard to organize NYC events
[16:30] <mhall119> pleia2: to be fair, it takes more than an hour to leavev their neighborhood
[16:30] <maco> like "but thats all the way on the other side of the brooklyn bridge!"
[16:30] <maco> mhall119: by car or subway?
[16:30] <pleia2> mhall119: it's more of a cultural thing
[16:31] <popey> We should totally have City LoCos :D
[16:31] <mhall119> maco: I dunno, which is funnier?
[16:31] <nigelb> hehe
[16:31] <maco> mhall119: subways probably faster...
[16:31] <nigelb> mhall119: scooter might be funnier ;)
[16:31] <mhall119> popey: you just want that so you can shut them down :P
[16:31] <mhall119> nigelb: scooters are always funnier, you're right
[16:32] <Pendulum> I was just as bad as any other NYC-dweller for getting places, but since it took me longer than most people to get around because I couldn't use the subway, I think I had a semi-valid excuse ;-)
[16:33] <Cheri703> that's why I'm glad ohio (and I'm sure many others) has ReLoCos...so that we can have events and a whole structure in any of the smaller towns and they operate independently
[16:33] <JanC> NYC has more people living there than there are in many states or even countries, I can understand they don't feel the need to meet even more people  ;)
[16:33] <maco> thankfully DC is only 64sqmi
[16:34] <nigelb> yeah, you can't even meet in DC :P
[16:34] <nigelb> (or can you?)
[16:34] <Pendulum> I would have loved geek events in NYC at the weekends
[16:34] <maco> DC has more people than the mythical wyoming
[16:34] <Pendulum> most of them were mid-week
[16:34] <nigelb> maco: is Taste of India in DC per se?
[16:34] <maco> nigelb: yes
[16:34] <Pendulum> and I was either at work or needing to be recovering from work so I could make it to work the next day
[16:34] <maco> what do you mean "per se"?
[16:34] <maco> its like 4 miles from white house
[16:34] <nigelb> maco: like is it outside the 64 sqmi or bordering ;)
[16:35] <maco> yeah there's another few miles north of it before you hit maryland
[16:35] <nigelb> oh, btw, lunar eclipse today.
[16:35] <nigelb> too bad its too cloudy to see anything
[16:36] <maco> nigelb: the folk festival the DC loco goes to every year is technically in maryland though. by like a half mile or so
[16:37] <maco> nigelb: ToI is across the street from the metro station marked on here http://goo.gl/maps/ZWft
[16:37] <Pici> nigelb: Thats what google is for: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2386945,00.asp
[16:38] <nigelb> maco: But with a small state, I guess it can't be helped
[16:38] <nigelb> maco: There's an island in Kerala which doesn't fall under Kerala govt authority.
[16:38] <maco> nigelb: DC's not a state
[16:39] <nigelb> maco: Its Pondicherry. People go there to buy alcohol since its much cheaper.
[16:39] <nigelb> maco: right, district of columbia
[16:39] <Pici> DC is an exception.
[16:39] <maco> which means when we went to get the loco approval thing and found out that there's supposed to be some standard naming for stuff (didnt exist when we started) we made jokes like ubuntu-us-werenotastatebutmaybesomedaynumber51
[16:39] <nigelb> I should ask my friend and husband to meet up wth the DC loco.
[16:40] <nigelb> hahaha
[16:40] <mhall119> I didn't know you were married
[16:41] <mhall119> and yeah, DC is a strange exception here
[16:41] <nigelb> mhall119: wha!
[16:41] <mhall119> "11:40 < nigelb> I should ask my friend and husband"
[16:41] <mhall119> reads like you're asking your friend and your husband
[16:42] <nigelb> and *her*
[16:42] <mhall119> that's better
[16:42] <nigelb> and *her* husband :)
[16:42] <mhall119> ;)
[16:45] <popey> http://www.kindle-maps.com/blog/yes-it-is-possible-to-cross-dublin-without-passing-a-pub.html
[16:45] <popey> excellent use of technology
[16:45] <czajkowski> yup ebel  did it the other night
[16:45] <czajkowski> to test it
[16:46] <jono> wow
[16:47] <jono> jcastro, just became friends with Robb Flynn from Machine Head on Facebook
[16:47] <jono> :-)
[16:47] <jono> that dude is going to be seeing a lot of Ubuntu now
[16:48] <JanC> popey: did anyone test if there really is no pub?  ;)
[16:48] <czajkowski> JanC: it's not possible there is no pub
[16:48] <czajkowski> trust me
[16:49] <czajkowski> I live in a little village back home and there are 14 pubs
[16:49] <czajkowski> and ther are only 2500-4000 people living there
[16:50] <JanC> 2500 people might live in 100 streets...  ;)
[16:50] <JanC> anyway, I've never been in Dublin, so no idea
[17:04] <mhall119> paultag: ping
[17:04] <paultag> mhall119: pong
[17:05] <paultag> mhall119: only here for a second, I'm about to go pint
[17:05] <paultag> paint *
[17:05] <paultag> mhall119: what's good, my friend?
[17:05] <mhall119> paultag: http://nookdevs.com/NookTouch_Rooting has me downloading random disk images from random upload sites
[17:05] <pleia2> I was gonna say, it's a bit early to go for a pint
[17:05] <pleia2> even for paultag
[17:05] <mhall119> is there any way to get a hash or something to compare against?
[17:05] <paultag> mhall119: let me check the info to see if they came from a trusted source
[17:05] <paultag> pleia2: It's never too early for a pint :)
[17:06] <mhall119> paultag: the links on the wiki point me to a download page with links to rapidshare (which I used) and some other download locations
[17:06] <paultag> mhall119: they're clean. I checked the wiki history, the guy who rooted his nook with me posted the links, all edits past that have been cosmetic
[17:06] <paultag> mhall119: as of this second /now/, it's clean
[17:07] <mhall119> ok
[17:07] <paultag> mhall119: but you're totally right, it needs sigs and stuff
[17:07] <paultag> and some GPG action IMHO
[17:08] <mhall119> gpg would be good
[17:08] <paultag> mhall119: I really want to write an auto-rooter shell script. I think that'd be much much easier.
[17:12] <paultag> alright, off to paint
[17:12] <paultag> brb
[17:32] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[18:25] <OneiricOne> paultag: Doing good thanks for asking and you?
[18:25] <OneiricOne> err IdleOne ^
[18:25]  * nigelb got the OneiricOcelot tis time :P
[18:27] <OneiricOne> you beat nhandler to it
[18:28] <OneiricOne> trying out quassel and really like the monitor window
[18:29]  * nhandler has oneiric
[18:30]  * nhandler just uses a hilight window in irssi
[18:31] <nigelb> nhandler: could you just say nigel? Need to test hilight :)
[18:31] <nhandler> Hey nigel
[18:31] <nigelb> w00t, worked :)
[18:31] <nigelb> nhandler: Thanks :)
[18:32] <nhandler> I also use trigger.pl to cause certain things (like certain mode changes) to go to my hilight window
[18:33] <nhandler> The tricky part is that until I essentially rewrite 'tail -n1 -f' in javascript/jquery (so that it monitors my hilight file and displays an html5 desktop notification), I don't have irc notifications on my cr-48
[18:33] <nhandler> *cough* paultag *cough*
[18:33] <paultag> lolwhaaat
[18:33] <paultag> OneiricOne: well, thanks!
[18:34] <paultag> I'm just down here to do a re-approval between painting the house! :)
[18:34] <paultag> nhandler: Ohhhh, fancy! :)
[18:34] <paultag> nhandler: I did that with that nodejs project. Let me get you the link
[18:34] <paultag> nhandler: git clone git://m.pault.ag/node-tail.git
[18:35] <OneiricOne> Thanks for what?
[18:35] <OneiricOne> hehe
[18:35] <paultag> nhandler: that should be a solid base for that. It uses a method of stalling the AJAX request on a loop, blocking until a request, or 30 seconds. it's actually pretty cool and lets you do it realtime without hammering the server
[18:35] <paultag> 17:25 < OneiricOne> paultag: Doing good thanks for asking and you?
[18:35] <paultag> OneiricOne: I'm well, thanks, even if it's a typo :)
[18:35] <OneiricOne> ah, :)
[18:36] <paultag> nhandler: email me if you need anything else, my iPad upstairs will beep on email, but i miss IRC pings :)
[18:36] <paultag> BRB :)
[19:53] <nigelb> paultag: I read that as painting the "horse" and I went WHAT!?!
[19:54] <nigelb> Clearly, I need sleep :)
[19:54] <nigelb> Catch you all later :-)
[21:24] <akgraner> 6 weeks on crutches :-(  looks like I actually broke some bone in my knee..who knew...
[21:27] <Pendulum> akgraner: ouch *hugs*
[21:28] <akgraner> thanks..and yeah ouch, :-)
[21:30] <akgraner> I guess jet skying isn't in my future...
[21:30] <akgraner> :-(
[21:31] <Pici> akgraner: may it go quickly
[21:31] <Pici> Hopefully I'll be off my crutches next week.
[21:38] <jcastro> ouch!
[21:38] <jcastro> is everyone getting in accidents or what?
[21:49] <czajkowski> jcastro: did you send mail to internal platform folks
[22:01] <jcastro> added it to the wiki!
[22:01] <czajkowski> coolio
[22:01] <czajkowski> hope it helps
[22:02] <czajkowski> jcastro: if you get stuck or need advice just poke me
[22:04]  * jcastro nods
[22:06] <czajkowski> http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/computer-solves-joyce-pubs-riddle-509122.html
[22:07] <czajkowski> Ubuntu ie team contact in the papers over here for this work
[22:13] <AlanBell> that is a great story
[22:27] <mhall119> czajkowski: woot!
[23:54] <jcastro> test
[23:54] <jcastro> Pendulum: were you looking for me?
[23:55] <jcastro> I think I closed a pm from you just now but didn't catch the text in the window


[00:52] <Ahmuck-Sr> reminders
[00:57] <highvoltage> I could do that again
[00:58] <highvoltage> it's always last wednesday of the month and we did add a reminder on every single edubuntu web page about it
[00:58] <highvoltage> but I guess it won't hurt poking the list about it
[15:26] <Kwpolska> I want to try ouf the WebLive of Ubuntu 11.04, but java support sucks on my system.  Can I just ssh -X to the machine?
[15:30] <stgraber> Kwpolska: nope, it's not simply X over ssh. You can install nomachine's NX client though (http://www.nomachine.com/download.php)
[15:32] <stgraber> Kwpolska: and then use "wget -O weblive.nxs http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive/nxs/weblive-appserv01.nx.stgraber.org/desktop/fullscreen" to grab the configuration file (replace weblive-appserv01 by the server you created an account on)
[15:35] <Kwpolska> awesome, nxclient is in [extra]
[15:41] <Kwpolska> stgraber: I can't do that.
[15:41] <Kwpolska> stgraber: NX> 202 Authenticating user: nx
[15:42] <Kwpolska> and then it says "authentication failed"
[15:42] <stgraber> Kwpolska: what's the username you tried ?
[15:42] <stgraber> the connection as user nx is usually fine, it then tries to su to your account, that may be the problem
[15:42] <Kwpolska> stgraber: kwpolska
[15:43] <Kwpolska> the file was downloaded through a shell server
[15:44] <stgraber> ok, your account is on weblive-appserv03
[15:44] <stgraber> so you need to: wget -O weblive.nxs http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive/nxs/weblive-appserv03.nx.stgraber.org/desktop/fullscreen
[15:46] <Kwpolska> I did so.
[15:46] <Kwpolska> I'll retry./


[00:01] <orudie> !upgrade
[00:19] <osmosis> where are the config files for the ethernet bridging ?
[00:24] <lifestream> errmmm, how would I go about ressetting the mysql password? I forgot what it was
[00:26] <jeffesquivel> lifestream, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/resetting-permissions.html
[00:27] <lifestream> thank you much, jeffesquivel
[00:27] <jeffesquivel> lifestream, no problem
[01:04] <smoser> binBASH, sorry, i didn't catch your question
[01:04] <smoser> ssh is the primary way to get to an instance
[01:05] <orudie> here is my output after running do-release-upgrade http://www.pastebin.org/154139
[01:05] <orudie> any ideas ?
[01:05] <orudie> that's long into the process
[01:17] <orudie> anyone ?
[01:17] <orudie> помогите пацаны
[01:21] <lifestream> Why isn't this workking?
[01:21] <lifestream> mysql> set password for opensim = Password('mypassword');
[01:21] <lifestream> ERROR 1133 (42000): Can't find any matching row in the user table
[01:22] <lifestream> I mean, the error is easy to understand
[01:22] <lifestream> The database exists ;  what row is it asking for? Password? It should be there, if I created the user, no?
[01:25] <lifestream> Here are the commands I was running for mysql
[01:25] <lifestream> http://www.pastebin.lt/view/raw/75158984
[02:37] <lifestream> Can I completely wipe all databases, users, rows, etc, from mysql, ro make it like a fresh install?
[02:49] <jeffesquivel> lifestream, hmm... IIRC, mysql package asked you for your password when installing, right?
[02:49] <jeffesquivel> lifestream, you may be able to get that dialog again with dpkg-reconfigure
[02:50] <jeffesquivel> but I'm not sure of that, have never done it
[03:12] <ChmEarl> problem in fresh lucid domU http://paste.ubuntu.com/415895/
[03:12] <ChmEarl> getting broken pipe errors before apparmor starts
[03:44] <pHcF> hey guys :)
[03:45] <pHcF> guys, how do i set the user's root to a folder
[03:45] <pHcF> and disable his access to any folder "higher"?
[06:18] <ruben231> hi guys i have a hosted server on a hosting sompany, how so i install ubuntu-server on it...any suggestion..?
[06:22] <ruben231> hi guys i have a hosted server on a hosting sompany, how do i install ubuntu-server on it...any suggestion..?
[06:26] <ScottK> ruben231: You need to talk to the hosting company.
[06:27] <ruben231>  ScottK: mostly whats the procedure for that..?
[06:27] <ScottK> Depends on the hosting company
[06:27] <ScottK> You need to ask them
[06:30] <ruben231>  ScottK:  but can i remote install on a hosted server is it possible what process is it
[06:31] <ScottK> It's not possible in most cases.
[06:32] <ruben231>  ScottK: so your request to the hosting company to install it for you..
[06:32] <ScottK> Yes
[07:02] <erichammond> I had a hosting company that provided a slick remote KVM UI in a browser which let me see the VGA display output in real time as well as mount ISOs on the remote server and boot from them.
[07:02] <erichammond> I seem to remember it was enabled by Belkin hardware.
[07:03] <ScottK> That would be one example of why I said most not all.
[11:33] <binBASH> smoser: I got everything working now :) thx again for all your help.
[12:15] <duffy_duck> hi, I'm using ubuntu server for multiple web hosting. I want to limit server resources for each customer. I'm using mpm-itk but apparently the Rlimitcpu directive is not applied to non cgi processes. Do you have an alternate solution for this?
[12:18] <duffy_duck> anyone?
[12:21] <au> hmm
[12:24] <RoyK> duffy_duck: what sort of resources would you like to limit? bandwidth? cpu? memory?
[12:26] <duffy_duck> ideally all of those
[12:27] <duffy_duck> RoyK: bot so far CPU would be a good starting point
[12:27] <RoyK> cpu is tricky
[12:27] <RoyK> are they using cpu intensive stuff?
[12:28] <RoyK> cgi should be avoided at all costs anyway
[12:28] <duffy_duck> well, the point is that if a website is under some sort of load it'll slow down all the others
[12:28] <binBASH> cpu for non cgi? are you using things like mod_php?
[12:28] <duffy_duck> yes
[12:29] <binBASH> don't use it ;)
[12:29] <binBASH> I would switch to cgi version
[12:29] <binBASH> and use suexec
[12:29] <duffy_duck> it's far slower
[12:29] <binBASH> well, every big hoster uses it.
[12:30] <RoyK> binBASH: cgi is a ninetees thing
[12:30] <binBASH> RoyK: Well, it's safe
[12:30] <RoyK> cgi => fork a job for every request
[12:30] <RoyK> it's NOT safe
[12:30] <binBASH> it is with suexec
[12:31] <RoyK> say you have perl cgi and someone launches 10k requests, 10k perl scripts are forket out with a memory footprint of 3-5MB each
[12:31] <binBASH> and mpm_itk is slow as well ;)
[12:31] <RoyK> make that 100k
[12:31] <binBASH> peruser.org seems to be much better.
[12:31] <binBASH> using this myself
[12:32] <duffy_duck> is that a mod_something?
[12:32] <binBASH> it's an alternative to mpm-itk
[12:32] <binBASH> though harder to control but faster ;)
[12:33] <binBASH> but I think you can't limit cpu there.
[12:33] <duffy_duck> hmmm, well the point is. I'using vmware and when the server gets too meny requests it dumps some out of memory messages on console and then it freezes
[12:33] <duffy_duck> and you have to reboot.
[12:33] <RoyK> I guess suexec and some ulimit magick might work
[12:34] <RoyK> but then, ulimit will just make the jobs stop working after spending xx in cpu
[12:34] <binBASH> duffy_duck: How many sites / users you have on your webserver?
[12:34] <RoyK> duffy_duck: really, cpu is rarely a problem with web pages, is it? do you use sysstat or something to monitor long-term cpu use?
[12:35] <duffy_duck> it's about 500 websites
[12:36] <binBASH> RoyK: btw. to your opensolaris suggestion. I just read yesterday there are some discussions in the community, due to the new plans of oracle
[12:36] <duffy_duck> no, i have the cpu graphs from vmware
[12:36] <RoyK> ok
[12:37] <RoyK> binBASH: what plans?
[12:37] <RoyK> duffy_duck: ok
[12:37] <RoyK> duffy_duck: but can't you just do the limitations from vmware?
[12:38] <binBASH> RoyK: They shifted a release
[12:39] <duffy_duck> RoyK: it's OS problem, when it gets too many request ( eg using a few apache benchmark ) it crashes
[12:39] <RoyK> what do you mean 'shifted'?
[12:39] <binBASH> and they stopped the sending service for opensolaris cds
[12:39] <binBASH> postponed
[12:39] <RoyK> well, it takes a man to download and burn it
[12:40] <RoyK> duffy_duck: I don't think I've seen ubuntu crash on cpu use - only memory
[12:41] <RoyK> duffy_duck: do you monitor the memory and swap use for your vmware guests?
[12:42] <duffy_duck> RoyK: I probabily should. BUT I still think it should stop opening processes instead of crashing
[12:42] <RoyK> apache doesn't care about how much memory the system has
[12:42] <RoyK> it just goes on
[12:42] <RoyK> you'll have to limit the max in the apache config
[12:43] <RoyK> if apache or any other process starts forking wildly, it'll consume large amounts of memory and then swap
[12:43] <duffy_duck> globally?
[12:43] <RoyK> and then linux will probably die, trying to swap
[12:43] <RoyK> duffy_duck: monitor swap use
[12:44] <duffy_duck> good point,I'll give it a try
[12:44] <binBASH> duffy_duck: and tune memory_limit in php.ini :)
[12:44] <RoyK> linux has an OOM (out of memory) killer that kicks in when the system runs out of memory, but usually too late
[12:45] <RoyK> binBASH: that's per session, so if you have 10k sessions, it won't help much
[12:45] <binBASH> true RoyK, OOM never worked for me yet :)
[12:45] <binBASH> RoyK: Just don't allow that much dynamic processes? ;)
[12:46] <duffy_duck> Royk: the problem with OOM is that it's kills one and apache opens 3
[12:46] <RoyK> that'll be limiting concurrent apache connections, since once you have an apache connection, it'll run
[12:46] <duffy_duck> so there's no way it can sort out
[12:46] <RoyK> duffy_duck: i know - the solution is to add more memory
[12:46] <binBASH> RoyK: A solution I would try is, putting a proxy before the webserver, let it handle static things
[12:46] <RoyK> how much memory do you have on these guests?
[12:47] <binBASH> varnish is really good on it ;)
[12:47] <duffy_duck> it's a cluster 512 x 3
[12:47] <RoyK> binBASH: yeah, varnish kicks ass :)
[12:47] <RoyK> binBASH: linpro.no did a great thing making that :)
[12:48] <RoyK> it can be a little hard to setup correctly with cookies and stuff, though
[12:48] <binBASH> true ;)
[12:49] <duffy_duck> is that some sort of proxy?
[12:49] <RoyK> duffy_duck: I meant - how much memory for the guests?
[12:49] <RoyK> duffy_duck: it eats squid for breakfast
[12:49] <duffy_duck> 512 x 3 guests
[12:49] <duffy_duck> 512 each
[12:49] <RoyK> ok
[12:50] <RoyK> 512MB isn't really a lot if you're hosting a heavy webapp on it
[12:50] <duffy_duck> but the problem is that when you get some attack memory is never enought
[12:50] <RoyK> well, start with monitoring swap
[12:50] <RoyK> use nagios/icinga or something else
[12:51] <duffy_duck> and, would you suggest x64 or x32?
[12:51] <RoyK> I use 64bit all the way these days unless I just need some toolbox vm
[12:52] <RoyK> even then, often 64
[12:53] <duffy_duck> would you install varnish on a separete server or one on each node?
[12:53] <RoyK> varnish should be on a separate box in front
[12:53] <RoyK> with LOTS of memory
[12:53] <duffy_duck> 2GB?
[12:53] <RoyK> varnish doesn't do disk caching
[12:54] <RoyK> yeah or 4 or 8 or more
[12:54] <RoyK> depending on the workload
[12:54] <duffy_duck> the boss is gonna kill me :D
[12:54] <RoyK> get a nice pizzabox with two CPUs and 16 gigs of RAM
[12:55] <binBASH> duffy_duck: Memory is not that expensive
[12:55] <RoyK> digi.no, a quite popular IT site, replaced  16 squid servers with 4 varnish boxes, and reports they really needed one, plus one for redundancy
[12:55] <RoyK> varnish kicks ass
[12:56] <binBASH> RoyK: are you using it?
[12:56] <RoyK> nope - not running anything like that
[12:56] <binBASH> well I plan to use it, but geoip based
[12:57] <binBASH> have to find a solution as well for smart dns round robbin
[12:57] <RoyK> binBASH: varnish was developed by linpro.no after vg.no contacted them to help speed up things. vg.no is probably the largest news site in .no. varnish was written for freebsd but later ported to other platforms. it might be a good idea to look at the freebsd implementation - it's said to be better
[12:58] <RoyK> there are some sendfile() stuff in linux that isn't very good
[12:58] <RoyK> or was - I haven't been looking into this for a year or so
[12:58] <binBASH> RoyK: probably, well in my cloud I can run all sorts of os
[12:58] <RoyK> don't run varnish on a vm...
[12:59] <RoyK> run it on dedicated hardware
[12:59] <binBASH> yup
[12:59] <binBASH> ;)
[12:59] <RoyK> it requires very fast memory access
[12:59] <binBASH> So I have to take linux :P
[13:00] <binBASH> I already testdrived varnish, it's quite nice.
[13:00] <RoyK> I'd give freebsd a chance if I were you - varnish should perform a lot better on that with a good sendfile() implementation
[13:01] <binBASH> http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/eq8/
[13:01] <binBASH> maybe two of these for varnish failover
[13:03] <RoyK> :)
[13:03] <binBASH> 24 GB RAM should be fine ;)
[13:03] <RoyK> yeah
[13:04] <duffy_duck> ok guys i'lll give it a try and report next week
[13:04] <duffy_duck> thanks for the soggestions
[13:04] <binBASH> np
[13:06] <RoyK> duffy_duck: since varnish uses sendfile() for zero-copy memory access, it can't do so properly on linux because of a faulty implementation, and falls back to send()/recv(), meaning you'll get an in-memory copy operation for each request - it'll still help a lot, but on fbsd, it'll be faster with high traffic
[13:07] <RoyK> as long as the varnish system is running on low load, you probably won't notice much difference, but fbsd will scale better
[13:10] <duffy_duck> we have like 300 servers, I'm not going to learn how to administer another os for no reason
[13:10] <duffy_duck> :D
[13:27] <smoser> binBASH, i'd be interested in seeing / knowing what all you did and how you've set things up.
[13:27] <binBASH> smoser: I setup a dhcpd locally on each node.
[13:28] <binBASH> and changed the network config of eucalyptus to system
[13:28] <binBASH> and with your patch all worked
[13:32] <Grudg3> Hey all
[13:32] <Grudg3> Does someone here have knowledge of blade servers and has 5 minutes of time? Please :(
[13:34] <guntbert> !ask | Grudg3 (no help in that realm from me - sorry)
[13:35] <Grudg3> Well I'm ineterested in the specific blade server, and I just have some basic questions, would rather talk in private
[13:36] <guntbert> Grudg3: usually you don't get 1:1 support here anyway
[13:37] <Grudg3> Aha, okay thank you, got a link to a hardware channel here in freenode from #ubuntu ... thenks anyway, cheers!
[13:38] <guntbert> Grudg3: Good luck :-)
[14:16] <Italian_Plumber> good morning all
[14:17] <Italian_Plumber> I'm revisiting today an old issue of mine:  "ATA bus error" with my hard drive.  The details are here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1410891 ... .anyone with any advice would be greatly appreciated.
[14:17] <Italian_Plumber> and the advice would be too. :)
[14:20] <jaypur> Italian_Plumber, is this when the pc is booting???
[14:21] <Italian_Plumber> no it's all the time
[14:21] <Italian_Plumber> the error occurs repeately when the drive is being accessed.
[14:22] <jaypur> damn...
[14:22] <jaypur> let me see... i don't know how to help but i'll take a look
[14:23] <jaypur> lol i think it's all about the driver.... does the problem unable you to make things?
[14:23] <Italian_Plumber> thanks.  I feel like I've tried everything but I'm sure someone has a suggestion that I haven't tried yet
[14:23] <Italian_Plumber> the computer is usable, and the drive appears to read and write data without errors.  I have downloaded large torrents and they all pass the hash checks.
[14:24] <jaypur> so whats the real problem, if you can use the pc it's all ok
[14:24] <Italian_Plumber> well that's actually part of my dillemma... I don't really know if this is even something I should be worried about.
[14:25] <Italian_Plumber> at the very least, it makes my syslog HUGE.
[14:25] <jaypur> man
[14:25] <jaypur> if you eat a pizza
[14:25] <jaypur> do you wanna know what happened to make it?
[14:25] <jaypur> :D
[14:27] <jaypur> just a sec brb
[14:28] <Italian_Plumber> well, knowing what you're putting in your body goes a long way towards keeping you healthy... keeping a server healthy is a simlar experience, is it not? :)
[14:29] <Italian_Plumber>  is bumping considered rude in ubuntuforums.org?
[14:30] <jaypur> i don't think so, i think if you be polite all goes ok...
[14:30] <jaypur> yeah that's right what you said...
[14:30] <jaypur> and depends if you're running a serious server, yeah you should worry about it...
[14:31] <jaypur> if you running just for fun.... don't cook your brain...
[14:32] <Italian_Plumber> heh
[14:32] <jaypur> good luck my friend
[14:33] <Italian_Plumber> :) thanks.  Yeah it's not a "serious" server.  Just my personal one for music, virtual machines, and, um... wallpapers. :)
[14:47] <jaypur> i'm back Italian_Plumber
[14:48] <Italian_Plumber> welcome back. :)
[14:48] <jaypur> Italian_Plumber, i have one for counter-strike 1.6 server, webserver... and soon some cloud stuff
[14:56] <RoyK> Italian_Plumber: which version is this?
[14:57] <Italian_Plumber> of ubuntu?  hardy... 8.04.4
[15:02] <RoyK> my guess it's either a bad driver or a faulty drive
[15:03] <Italian_Plumber> how do I update the driver?
[15:05] <RoyK> check if there's a newer kernel available
[15:05] <RoyK> you also may want to try to upgrade ubuntu to a newer distro version
[15:07] <Italian_Plumber> I was planning on doing that when lucid comes out
[15:08] <lil_cain> aye, I'd never move a server off LTS
[15:38] <orudie> good morning. Can you guys have a look at this? This is what I got after d0-release-upgrade on ubuntu 9.04 http://www.pastebin.org/154139
[15:38] <orudie> this error I saw about 1.5 hours into the install
[15:55] <lil_cain> try removing wine, upgrading, and installing wine again?

[15:57] <lil_cain> I'd guess it's trying to change vm.mmap_min_addr since wine requires it set to 0, and you've changed it in some way
[15:59] <sporedi> how do i acess my ubuntu server  over internet using xrdp/mstsc
[15:59] <aetaric> sporedi: server doesn't have an X11 server
[16:00] <aetaric> so you can't use a mouse.
[16:00] <sporedi> i have installed ubuntu desktop
[16:00] <lil_cain> You'll have to install a vncserver
[16:00] <ikonia> sporedi: those are windows tools
[16:01] <lil_cain> And then connect over VNC. I would recommend ssh forwarding to localhost, and only having your VNC server listening there.
[16:01] <aetaric> that too. tightvnc works well to connect to a vnc server
[16:02] <sporedi> ok
[16:02] <sporedi> thx
[16:27] <orudie> !upgrade
[16:51] <schmidt>  /j #haml
[16:51] <schmidt> whops
[16:52] <RoyK> /j #msdos
[16:52] <RoyK> whoops
[16:52] <binBASH> lol
[16:55] <RoyK> a colleague of mine was complaining about things the other day - it was so stable and clean when we were running Sintran, but now it was all problems
[17:16] <orudie> how can I choose a different screen profile
[17:16] <orudie> in 9.04 it was there by default
[17:16] <orudie> in 9.10 its not
[17:21] <Italian_Plumber1> Did someone say (in regards to my earlier quesiton a few hours ago) that the UDMA settings are in the BIOS?
[17:22] <ruben23> hi guys on the installation porcess of my ubuntu-server 8.04 LTS- its asking me for bootloeader something about grub and i have selection- hd0, hd1 and fd0, tried hd0 but i get fatal error
[17:22] <ruben23> any suggestion what should i do on this part im stuck
[17:24] <Italian_Plumber1> how many physical hard drives you have?
[17:25] <Italian_Plumber1> did you try hd1?
[18:37] <Italian_Plumber1> ugh.  My server is unresponsive, even from the console, and I don't want to do a hard reset.  Are there any other options for doing a controlled shutdown?
[18:37] <Pici> !sysrq | Italian_Plumber1
[18:38] <pHcF> hey guys
[18:38] <Italian_Plumber1> wow... that seems to have worked. :)
[18:39] <pHcF> there's any tool to monitor with graphics CPU, Bandwith and RAM for ubuntu server? something that generates an image, like .jpg or something
[18:39] <Italian_Plumber1> interesting.
[18:39] <Italian_Plumber1> THANKS!
[18:39] <Pici> pHcF: munin does 5 minute snapshots and graphs them on RRDs.
[18:40] <pHcF> Pici: thanks :D
[18:40] <pHcF> gonna search
[19:19] <Mahdi> Who i can convert slapd.d to slapd.conf in ubuntu 9.04
[20:08] <ruben23> hi guys, im having unusual issue during install of ubuntu server 8.04 LTS
[20:09] <lil_cain> What's the issue?
[20:09] <ruben23> after install and im on root, when i do cd /etc/ or cd /var/ i got no file or directory..
[20:09] <ruben23> this is really confusing
[20:09] <lil_cain> what does ls / give you?
[20:10] <lil_cain> All the expected stuff?
[20:10] <ruben23> lil_cain:  im re installaing it again now for th 8 time
[20:10] <ruben23> i tell you when its done ill try your advice
[20:10] <lil_cain> cool.
[20:19] <mallchin> hi guys
[20:19] <mallchin> are there any giudes fpr
[20:19] <mallchin> guides for securing an ubuntu server
[20:23] <ScottK> mallchin: Did you have any particular issues in mind.  It's meant to default to a reasonably secure condition.
[20:24] <mallchin> ScottK: thanks, none in particular, I'm using a dedicated hosted server, just making sure it's secure
[20:25] <ScottK> The base Ubuntu Server install has no ports open to the outside world by default.
[20:25] <ScottK> The ufw firewall is included, but off by default.  You might start looking at it.
[20:25] <mallchin> ScottK: great, thank you
[20:26] <mallchin> ScottK: is there an easy way to tell if I am using server edition or not?
[20:26] <ScottK> No ports open by default is true of all Ubuntu flavors.
[20:28] <mallchin> ScottK: I assume it would be better to use server edition for a server though?
[20:28] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:30] <mallchin> thanks
[20:42] <ruben23>  lil_cain: you there
[20:42] <ruben23> ..
[20:43] <lil_cain> yup
[20:44] <ruben23> i got same error
[20:44] <ruben23> no file or directory
[20:44] <ruben23> what couls be the problem its my 9 time install of the ubuntu server
[20:45] <lil_cain> ls /
[20:45] <lil_cain> what's there?
[20:45] <lil_cain> and do you get any errors during your install?
[20:52] <ruben23> i dont get any error
[20:52] <ruben23>  duirng install but
[20:53] <lil_cain> ok. Is /etc/ there when you ls / ?
[20:53] <ruben23> during login
[20:53] <lil_cain> and is there anything odd in dmesg?
[20:53] <ruben23> it says no such files or directoryt
[20:53] <ruben23> im on root at that moment
[20:53] <lil_cain> you get no such file or directory when you ls / ?
[20:54] <ruben23> yes
[20:54] <ruben23> and also cd /etc/
[20:54] <ruben23> and also /var/
[20:54] <ruben23> all
[20:54] <ruben23> my install dont have any error at all
[20:54] <lil_cain> right. cd /; echo *;
[20:55] <lil_cain> and then try cat /proc/mounts
[20:55] <lil_cain> This is just a base install, you didn't do anything funny?
[20:55] <ruben23> yeah
[20:55] <ruben23> i follow this
[20:55] <ruben23> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts-p3
[20:56] <lil_cain> ok. Is there anything in / when you echo *?
[20:57] <lil_cain> better yet, for i in /*; do echo $i; done;
[20:57] <lil_cain> ruben23: how far did you get in that?
[20:58] <ruben23> try it now
[20:58] <ruben23> ill try now
[20:58] <lil_cain> also, don't follow that guide. Anything which tells you to disable app armour is stupid.
[20:59] <lil_cain> as is telling you to use dash, rather than patching the single script they have.
[20:59] <lil_cain> sorry to replace dash
[21:01] <ruben23> still no such file or directory
[21:01] <lil_cain> you get no such file or directory when you cd ?
[21:01] <lil_cain> sorry, 'cd /'
[21:02] <ruben23> no such file or directory
[21:02] <ruben23> still
[21:03] <lil_cain> what does pwd say?
[21:03] <ruben23> :'( what should i do- i cant install ubuntu-server
[21:04] <ruben23>  /home/cj911#
[21:05] <ruben23> thats my pwd
[21:05] <lil_cain> Right. What happens when you type 'cd ..'
[21:06]  * ScottK notes that a lot of people who know what they are doing spend a lot of effort on the Ubuntu Server Guide.
[21:06]  * ScottK finds it generally a lot better than random web howto's.
[21:07] <ruben23> hi
[21:07] <ruben23>  lil_cain:/home#
[21:07] <ruben23> thats it
[21:07] <guntbert> ScottK: yes, but there is a disadvantage: you must be willing to read a whole page ;-))
[21:08] <ScottK> ruben23: If you're running as root you are doing it wrong.
[21:09] <ruben23> ScottK: what should be
[21:09] <lil_cain> ScottK: That's a matter of taste.
[21:09] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping?
[21:09] <ScottK> Since Ubuntu ships with root disabled, you've already made your system non-standard
[21:10] <lil_cain> yes. But non-standard doesn't mean worse.
[21:10] <ScottK> lil_cain: Yes and no.  There are parts of the system that have been changed to expect sudo instead of a true root account.
[21:10] <lil_cain> like what?
[21:10] <ScottK> lil_cain: It does when people ask for support
[21:10] <lil_cain> ruben23: cd ../
[21:10] <lil_cain> ScottK: What is possibly going to break because you're root?
[21:10] <ScottK> It's fine if you know what you are doing, but people just starting shouldn't start doing non-standard things.
[21:11] <ScottK> I'm not sure of anything on server, but on desktops priviledge escalation for doing root level things is hardwired to sudo.
[21:11] <ruben23>  lil_cain: nothing happens
[21:11] <guntbert> lil_cain: why do you think you *need* root enabled?
[21:12] <ScottK> lil_cain: As it happens, I prefer to enable root on servers too, but I'm not the one here with a non-working system.
[21:16] <RoyK> ScottK: "enable root"?
[21:16] <guntbert> !root | RoyK
[21:17] <ScottK> guntbert: Thanks.  I was about to look for that url.
[21:17] <RoyK> guntbert: I'm quite aware of what root is, but "enable root" means nothing. enabling root password means something
[21:17] <guntbert> RoyK: don't pick on words please
[21:17] <guntbert> ScottK: :)
[21:18] <RoyK> guntbert: not doing that - just saying it wasn't clear what he meant
[21:18] <ScottK> RoyK: What else would it have meant?
[21:18] <guntbert> and RoyK the root account is not enabled by default - no way to change to it
[21:18] <RoyK> guntbert: on the other side, it should be quite fine if people learned to use their language properly before babbling out
[21:19] <guntbert> !attitude | RoyK
[21:19] <RoyK> guntbert: sudo su - ; passwd
[21:19] <ScottK> RoyK: If you can't contribut constructively go elsewhere
[21:19] <RoyK> ScottK: I contribut a lot in here, SIR
[21:19] <guntbert> RoyK: we know - but what you suggest is just useless
[21:20] <RoyK> huh?
[21:20] <RoyK> why?
[21:20] <ScottK> So far in this discussion all I've seen is pointless pedantry.
[21:21] <guntbert> RoyK: sudo su is definitely not needed and not useful, and there is no need to set a root password,
[21:21] <RoyK> omg
[21:21] <RoyK> guntbert: sudo su - is an old version of the newer sudo -i
[21:22]  * RoyK hits guntbert with a small iron bar
[21:22] <guntbert> ScottK: "a lot" doesn't necessarily mean quality :-)  - sorry RoyK I could not resist - please stop telling me old facts as your latest findings
[21:22] <guntbert> !ops | RoyK verbal violence
[21:23] <ikonia> easy please guys
[21:23] <ScottK> RoyK: I think if you'll look there are differences in the resulting environment between those two commands.  They are not identical.
[21:23] <RoyK> guntbert: calm down, sir
[21:23] <ikonia> RoyK: you too please
[21:24] <RoyK> ScottK: the result is the same - you end up in a shell with root's environment
[21:24] <ikonia> the environments are different, but both are root shells, there is a page on the wiki about this, I'm sure
[21:25] <RoyK> sudo su and sudo su - differs
[21:25] <RoyK> sudo su and sudo -i differs
[21:25] <ikonia> of course, the - matters
[21:25] <ikonia> RoyK: as well it should
[21:25] <RoyK> but sudo -i and sudo su - doesn't differ
[21:26] <ikonia> I believe they do, there is a document on the wiki that talks about this, but I'm not fully aware without research
[21:26] <ScottK> It does.
[21:26] <ScottK> It's clear from just reading the su and sudo man pages.
[21:26] <ikonia> bottom line is, ubuntu put sudo in place - respect it's implimentation and don't try to bypass it
[21:27] <ScottK> The difference is generally of little or no consequence, but sudo -i is generally preferred to sudo su.
[21:28] <RoyK> ScottK: sudo su doesn't take root's env, but sudo su - does, but I see the point - sudo -i keeps DISPLAY and stuff
[21:28] <tsimpson> "sudo su -" is pointless, you switch from your user to root via sudo, then switch from root to root via su
[21:29] <RoyK> tsimpson: sudo -i is quite new
[21:29] <ikonia> not really
[21:29] <ikonia> been around a long time now
[21:29] <tsimpson> define "quite new"
[21:29] <RoyK> as in 'doesn't work with older versions of sudo'
[21:30] <ikonia> I'm pretty sure it does, RoyK what versions are you talking of
[21:30] <RoyK> if you manage a truckload of OSes, sudo su - works for them all
[21:30] <tsimpson> it works from at least dapper, probably earlier
[21:30] <tsimpson> dapper is 6.06
[21:30] <ikonia> RoyK: it's in solaris 9 and hpux 11.20 too, so that's pretty old
[21:31] <ikonia> that's pretty good legacy coverage
[21:32] <ScottK> It was added in 2004.
[21:33] <ScottK> 2004-01-18 17:55 to be precise.
[21:34] <RoyK> damn
[21:34] <ikonia> ScottK: impressive searching
[21:34] <lil_cain> guntbert: You don't. It's a matter of taste.
[21:34]  * RoyK sends some eyjafjallajökull ash in ScottK's direction
[21:34] <ScottK> Sorry, I live upwind.
[21:35]  * ScottK was there once, but when it wasn't erupting.
[21:36] <guntbert> lil_cain: was that about "need" - of course you do on your system what you regard as appropriate :-)
[21:36] <lil_cain> guntbert: Aye.
[21:36] <lil_cain> I wouldn't recommend people do it. But I'm going to continue doing it, because I prefer it that way.
[21:38] <guntbert> lil_cain: exactly :-)
[21:42] <ScottK> lil_cain: I find that quite reasonable.
[21:56] <ruben23> lil_cain:  you there..?
[21:56] <ruben23> my echo $PATH --> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[21:57] <lil_cain> I don't see what your PATH should change.
[21:57] <lil_cain> cd is a builtin.
[21:57] <lil_cain> and you've go /bin
[21:57] <lil_cain> cd / shouldn't give an error, no matter what.
[22:12] <cemc> ruben23: what does 'alias | grep cd' say? :-)
[22:44] <ubuntologist> Hi all, would anyone have any clues as to why my syslog is showing a Shorewall net2fw entry where the destination IP is not on my LAN but rather my ISP's DNS? I've recently installed DNSMasq - is this perhaps modifying the frame before it's logged?
[22:46] <ubuntologist> Shorewall:net2fw:DROP:IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=<IP_ADDRESS> DST=<IP_ADDRESS> LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=101 ID=256 PROTO=TCP SPT=6000 DPT=9415 WINDOW=16384 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
[22:47] <guntbert> ubuntologist: it came in through ppp0
[22:47] <ubuntologist> yes
[22:48] <ubuntologist> aah...ok, i think i understand
[22:51] <ubuntologist> thanks guntbert - got it
[22:52] <guntbert> ubuntologist: nice :-)
[23:11] <ruben23> hi


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