[20:18] <kyrofa> Hey there. Part of my departure from Canonical seems to have taken ownership of https://launchpad.net/~nextcloud-snap-dev away from me. Can I get it back?
[20:19] <kyrofa> That had nothing to do with my employment
[20:31] <cjwatson> kyrofa: Should be possible, but we'll need to get IS to assist.  Could you file a support ticket please (link in the topic)?
[20:37] <kyrofa> cjwatson, done: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/698649
[20:49] <santa_> hmm lots of LP builders disabled for some archs atm
[20:50] <cjwatson> Looks like the bos02 reset processing infrastructure is down
[20:51] <cjwatson> Reported to IS internally
[20:52] <santa_> oh, I was just saying, thanks for the reply :)
[20:54] <cjwatson> For some reason our alerts don't seem to have gone off, so probably need to investigate why
[20:55] <cjwatson> Despite it being blatantly over the alert threshold for the last 2.5 hours :(
[20:58] <cjwatson> santa_: Recovering now
[20:58] <cjwatson> Fortunately the backlog is pretty small
[20:58] <santa_> nice!
[20:59] <santa_> cjwatson: so is it useful for you if I drop here a message whenever I see too much builders disabled?
[21:00] <cjwatson> santa_: Normally it's not necessary as we do get alerts, but if we seem to not be dealing with it, sure
[21:00] <cjwatson> But don't feel obliged to play human Nagios
[21:00] <cjwatson> (Also we don't necessarily bother to clean up small amounts of damage - it's usually more efficient to deal with things in bulk)
[21:01] <santa_> hahah, no problem, it's just that sometimes I might realize when building packages
[21:01] <cjwatson> Yep
[21:02] <santa_> so if the builders are mass disabled for longer than 2 hours or so and I notice I could simply drop a message here
[21:02] <santa_> no human nagios, it's just that sometimes I'm trying to build things :)
[21:03] <cjwatson> Yes, it's certainly fine (and encouraged) to report things when they're actually a problem for you
[21:04] <cjwatson> Sometimes it's known of course, e.g. half of riscv64 currently being disabled
[21:05] <cjwatson> wgrant: (hm, though vlacq is back up, did you mean to leave those disabled?)
[21:06] <cjwatson> Build queue has emptied now - there's just one left which I presume must be a private build waiting for publication before it dispatches


[01:59] <axw> wallyworld_:  I think the bot might need a poke again? waigani 's branch looks stuck (https://code.launchpad.net/~waigani/juju-core/expand-config-variable-names/+merge/204412)
[01:59] <wallyworld_> ok
[02:00] <axw> and my MP is attached to the bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gwacl/+bug/1276019
[02:00] <_mup_> Bug #1276019: 307s are not followed other than for GET/HEAD, and headers are dropped from those <Go Windows Azure Client Library:In Progress by axwalk> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1276019>
[02:00] <wallyworld_> axw: bot seems ok actually
[02:00] <axw> hm ok
[02:01] <wallyworld_> it's running a test now
[02:01] <wallyworld_> axw: ah error
[02:01] <wallyworld_> erging https://code.launchpad.net/~waigani/juju-core/expand-config-variable-names into https://code.launchpad.net/~go-bot/juju-core/trunk would be pointless
[02:01] <axw> ah. 6 hours just seemed like a long time :)
[02:01] <axw> oh
[02:01] <wallyworld_> so there's a problem with the branch
[02:02] <wallyworld_> it could be that trunk already has the changes
[02:02] <wallyworld_> yes
[02:02] <wallyworld_> it does
[02:02] <axw> okey dokey
[02:03] <wallyworld_> so i'd say another merge accidentally has these changes in it
[02:03] <wallyworld_> i set the mp to merged
[02:26] <axw> wallyworld_: FYI, I have Thursday/Friday off
[02:26] <wallyworld_> lucky bugger
[02:26] <wallyworld_> enjoy
[02:27] <axw> ta :)
[04:48] <axw> wallyworld_: I have pushed another change to the gwacl MP. Tested live - works better now.
[04:48] <wallyworld_> ok, looking
[04:50] <wallyworld_> axw: to be consistent and simplify the code, should we always just check the response code and avoid needed to return a httpredirect error for some calls and not others
[04:51] <axw> wallyworld_: the error must be returned to prevent net/http from following redirects at all
[04:51] <wallyworld_> ah right
[04:51] <wallyworld_> in that case, looks good
[04:51] <axw> cheers
[06:41] <hazmat> axw, out of curiosity, what do you think about add-machine ssh: supporting instance id on the cli?
[06:42] <axw> hazmat: yeah, could be useful for manually provisioning into existing environments, e.g. on ec2
[06:42] <axw> so the instance becomes managed by juju
[06:42] <hazmat> i'm writing a cli plugin, and could avoid the use of the api entirely, if i could just set the instance id i could just use the cli.
[06:43] <hazmat> its mostly so i can correlate directly back to the underlying provider instance easily without doing ip addr matching.
[06:43] <axw> right
[06:43] <axw> I think it would have to be encoded into the address somehow
[06:43] <axw> to avoid further special casing of add-machine
[06:44] <hazmat> axw, ssh:user@ipaddress:instance_id ?
[06:44] <axw> we might want : for non-standard ssh ports later. I'd say something like / or =
[06:45] <axw> but anyway, yeah it could work
[06:47] <hazmat> sounds good, i'll file a bug
[08:12] <davecheney> axw: i was thinking about what could be done to make the gccgo detection work
[08:12] <davecheney> it would be abomonation, but could proabably be done
[08:12] <axw> davecheney: yup. I was thinking the same thing, i.e. a known caller name
[08:13] <axw> I wouldn't bother changing it now though, maybe if it needs to be changed again...
[08:13] <davecheney> axw: i think we're goig to be flapping between 4.8 and 4.9 for some time
[08:14] <davecheney> it might be worth the effort to gold plate it
[08:14] <axw> heh ok :)
[08:15] <davecheney> axw: it might also be possible to cheat
[08:15] <davecheney> gccgo 4.8 implements go 1.1
[08:15] <davecheney> maybe I can use a +build tag
[08:15] <axw> 1.1? :(
[08:16] <axw> I thought we had moved to 1.2 now
[08:16] <davecheney> gccgo 4.8 implements the 1.1 spec
[08:17] <rogpeppe> davecheney, axw: mornin'
[08:18] <axw> morning rogpeppe
[08:26] <dimitern> morning all
[08:26] <dimitern> rogpeppe, i have some questions re goamz, and since gustavo is not around, do you have some time?
[08:26] <rogpeppe> dimitern: sure
[08:27] <dimitern> rogpeppe, so, i've tried (hard) yesterday to construct a sophisticated multi-part test that runs both on the test double and live
[08:28] <dimitern> rogpeppe, but i've run into issues like eventual consistency and such (i.e. i'd really like to have something similar to Long/ShortAttempt in goamz)
[08:28] <rogpeppe> dimitern: i think goamz already has the attempt stuff in
[08:29] <dimitern> rogpeppe, am I to take from this such tests are not needed inside goamz itself, but just simpler ones that focus on response parsing is ok etc.
[08:29] <rogpeppe> dimitern: yeah, aws.AttemptStrategy
[08:29] <dimitern> rogpeppe, ah, I've missed that
[08:29] <dimitern> rogpeppe, also i found the ec2test package a bit inflexible
[08:30] <dimitern> rogpeppe, i.e. you cannot easily setup the same case and make sure it'll run the same on both local and live servers
[08:30] <rogpeppe> dimitern: yeah, it was as simple as i could come up with
[08:31] <rogpeppe> dimitern: i'm not sure what you mean by that though
[08:31] <dimitern> rogpeppe, like state changes over time in instances / other entities
[08:31] <rogpeppe> dimitern: there are quite a few existing tests that work both live and against ec2test
[08:31] <dimitern> rogpeppe, there's an SetInitialInstanceState
[08:31] <dimitern> rogpeppe, yeah, and I've done mine similarly, but for more complex cases it's much too difficult
[08:32] <rogpeppe> dimitern: what would you like to be able to do?
[08:33] <dimitern> rogpeppe, like "i need to test network interface ops", but for that i need: 1) a vpc, 2) a subnet, 3) a *running* instance in that subnet, 4) a security group for that vpc, 5) the net interface itself
[08:34] <dimitern> rogpeppe, i.e. the set up is heavy, slow when run live and not very reliable
[08:34] <rogpeppe> dimitern: i think that it's going to be hard to have ec2test actually run a live instance
[08:34] <dimitern> rogpeppe, apart from errors due to my assumptions, sometimes i get errors like "503 unavailable" or some random error
[08:35] <rogpeppe> dimitern: and the heavy & slow setup applies to ec2 live tests, not ec2test, right?
[08:35] <dimitern> rogpeppe, so it's best to separate the local and live test cases for more complex scenarios
[08:35] <rogpeppe> dimitern: and the reliability problems too, i'd guess
[08:35] <dimitern> rogpeppe, 2x yep
[08:35] <rogpeppe> dimitern: why do you need a running instance?
[08:35] <dimitern> rogpeppe, because you can't attach a NIC on a instance that's not in running state
[08:36] <dimitern> rogpeppe, unless you've done it at runinstances time, but that's another test
[08:36] <rogpeppe> dimitern: ok, so you don't actually need it to be running something, just for it to report the state as running
[08:37] <dimitern> rogpeppe, yes
[08:38] <rogpeppe> dimitern: i'm not sure that particular case matters too much to test. is it that important to check all error states?
[08:38] <dimitern> rogpeppe, take a look at what i've came up with after several hours of trial-and-frustration yesterday: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6877862/
[08:39] <rogpeppe> dimitern: BTW it's good to at least have the live tests, because then you get to know just how it's likely to fail for real
[08:39] <dimitern> it's not ready yet, i'll split it up, etc. but it works 60% of the time up to the last Check() which fails with "NIC cannot be deleted because it's in use" (but got detached ok)
[08:40] <rogpeppe> dimitern: presumably you'll need to do a retry loop around the DeleteNetworkInterface call
[08:41] <rogpeppe> dimitern: i'm still not quite seeing how the ec2test package isn't flexible enough for your needs here
[08:41] <rogpeppe> dimitern: ISTM that the real difficulty is writing reliable live tests
[08:41] <dimitern> rogpeppe, yes, but i was too tired yesterday already - i'll also replace my jury rigged loop with attemptstrategy if possible
[08:42] <dimitern> rogpeppe, isn't because it's not simulating the "eventual consistency" of certain features
[08:42] <dimitern> rogpeppe, like "make the instance state change slowly" or "do not delete X immediately, but say you did, and report it in use for some time after"
[08:43] <rogpeppe> dimitern: it's true, it doesn't, because it's hard to see how to get it right. but surely your tests will work ok if ec2test is always consistent?
[08:43] <davecheney> rogpeppe: morning -- sorry, missed your thinggy
[08:43] <rogpeppe> davecheney: hiya
[08:43] <dimitern> rogpeppe, yes, I started with a far easier test that worked on ec2test like charm
[08:44] <dimitern> rogpeppe, the problem was to achieve the same live using the same steps, which turned into this
[08:44] <rogpeppe> dimitern: i don't see why ec2test is making things harder here
[08:44] <rogpeppe> s/why/how/
[08:47] <rogpeppe> dimitern: BTW, rather than polling by calling Instances repeatedly, might it not be better to just call CreateNetworkInterface repeatedly until it doesn't return the expected error?
[08:47] <rogpeppe> dimitern: then you won't need to worry about the fact that ec2test instances don't transition to running state
[08:52] <dimitern> rogpeppe, that's a good point, thanks
[08:52] <dimitern> rogpeppe, and then there are 2 more things i've been wondering about
[08:53] <dimitern> rogpeppe, 1) how detailed should be the tests checking for errors (i.e. how good the ec2test package should simulate all cases)
[08:54] <rogpeppe> dimitern: it's not that important
[08:54] <dimitern> rogpeppe, and 2) right now goamz uses a fairly outdated api version - 2011-12-15, but some features we need are in later versions
[08:54] <dimitern> rogpeppe, should we support mixed versions?
[08:55] <rogpeppe> dimitern: ec2test is a test double for the ec2 provider - it doesn't need to simulate all errors; getting the happy path right is what we've done so far
[08:55] <rogpeppe> dimitern: i think we should use the earliest version that supports the features we need
[08:56] <rogpeppe> dimitern: or... perhaps just update the whole thing to use the latest version
[08:56] <rogpeppe> dimitern: there might not actually be too much in the way of changes
[08:57] <dimitern> rogpeppe, upgrading everything is less than trivial
[08:57] <dimitern> rogpeppe, but perhaps worth it
[08:58] <rogpeppe> dimitern: yeah, i'm not entirely sure.
[08:58] <rogpeppe> dimitern: the version is per-request though, right?
[08:59] <dimitern> rogpeppe, right
[09:00] <dimitern> rogpeppe, so far the least intrusive approach would be to change the version only for the new calls and only for the old ones if it's unavoidable
[09:00] <rogpeppe> dimitern: yeah, i think that's a good approach to start with
[09:02] <dimitern> rogpeppe, how about supporting different filters in ec2test?
[09:03] <rogpeppe> dimitern: is there a problem with just adding the new filters?
[09:03] <dimitern> rogpeppe, some are quite broad, like 25 cases
[09:03] <dimitern> rogpeppe, so ec2test should support all filters for the new entities
[09:04] <rogpeppe> dimitern: ec2test does not have to support everything, but it should support the things that are being used
[09:04] <dimitern> rogpeppe, by whom?
[09:04] <rogpeppe> dimitern: by your live test and by provider/ec2
[09:05] <dimitern> rogpeppe, yep, but on one hand i'm not sure what we'll need in the provider, on the other - it's a generic library after all and it has other users that might benefit from fuller implementation
[09:06] <rogpeppe> dimitern: i'd err on the "do less" side to start with
[09:06] <rogpeppe> dimitern: that's been my approach since the start - the amazon API is much larger than we need to entirely support
[09:07] <dimitern> rogpeppe, ok then, i'll try to be minimalistic in the implementation :)
[09:07] <rogpeppe> dimitern: so, pending actual code in the provider that uses the stuff, i'd just add the functionality in ec2test that's needed by the live tests, so that they can run on ec2test as well as live
[09:07] <rogpeppe> dimitern: that's always a good thing in my book :-)
[09:08] <dimitern> rogpeppe, :) ok, thanks for the suggestions
[09:08] <rogpeppe> dimitern: np
[09:09] <dimitern> rogpeppe, can you take a look at this please? https://codereview.appspot.com/49930045/ re what we just discussed
[09:10] <dimitern> (i.e. could it be simplified)
[09:10] <rogpeppe> dimitern: looking
[10:46] <mgz> standup all?
[10:48] <natefinch> dimitern, rogpeppe: standup?
[11:18] <mgz> totally forgot to mention in standup, landing bot will be down shortly, I'll give you guys a heads up when it's online again
[11:40] <jam> mgz: poke, i'd like to tweak some of the bot stuff, but I'd appreciate your help
[11:45] <mgz> jam: sure, remember it's all going down in ~15 mins
[12:14] <jam> mgz: sorry about the delay. I'd like to see us add "go test -test.timeout 2m" to the test suite, so that instead of getting the 10m test-took-too-long, we'll get a panic if any individual test takes more than 2min
[12:15] <jam> we shouldn't take longer than that for a test we're writing anyway
[12:15] <jam> and it might help us debug WTF for the provisioner
[12:17] <mgz> jam: that sounds reasonable
[12:18] <jam> mgz: good. I just saw the "maintenance starting now" which reminded me I wanted to poke you about the bot for when it comes back up
[12:18] <jam> we need to change that stuff in the juju conf, otherwise the bot will overwrite it all when it comes up
[12:25] <mgz> we can just set the tarmac-conf value when we have the state server back, right?
[12:34] <jam> mgz: well, and deal with any fallout of stuff that didn't actually get put into conf properly.
[12:34] <jam> but we have to do that anyway
[13:41] <dimitern> mgz, hey, i've just updated all the CLs and proposed the NIC one: 1 https://codereview.appspot.com/49930045/ 2 https://codereview.appspot.com/54690048/ 3 https://codereview.appspot.com/54570048/
[14:03] <dimitern> rogpeppe, ^^ if you can take a look as well would be nice
[14:03] <rogpeppe> dimitern: will do
[14:05] <mgz> dimitern: thanks
[14:29] <rogpeppe> dimitern: you've got one review
[14:30] <dimitern> rogpeppe, cheers!
[14:31] <dimitern> rogpeppe, the "you" phrasing is copied from aws docs :)
[14:31] <rogpeppe> dimitern: yeah, but it's not idiomatic in the goamz docs (no other occurrences of "You" AFAICS)
[14:36] <dimitern> rogpeppe, sure, thanks for spotting
[14:47] <rogpeppe> dimitern: you've got another review
[14:48] <dimitern> rogpeppe, ta
[15:17] <rogpeppe> dimitern: all reviewed :-)
[15:19] <dimitern> rogpeppe, tyvm!
[15:19] <rogpeppe> dimitern: thanks for all that work
[15:19] <dimitern> rogpeppe, there's even more coming :)
[15:19] <rogpeppe> dimitern: presumably the live tests pass?
[15:20] <dimitern> rogpeppe, but i'm fast now, it should be easier
[15:20] <dimitern> rogpeppe, yep, ran them several times in a row
[15:20] <rogpeppe> dimitern: cool
[15:23] <mgz> what's a safe way to stop and restart jujud on a state server?
[15:26] <natefinch> mgz: sudo restart juju possibly?
[15:27] <mgz> jujud-machine-0 it seems
[15:29] <natefinch> rogpeppe: is there a way to compile all regular and test code at the same time, but not run the tests?
[15:29] <natefinch> (or if anyone else knows)
[15:29] <rogpeppe> natefinch: go test -c
[15:29] <rogpeppe> natefinch: except that unfortunately you can't run "go test -c ./..."
[15:29] <natefinch> rogpeppe: Tried that, but it does't work across packages, though.  I want go test ./... -c
[15:29] <natefinch> right
[15:29] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i have a script that does that
[15:29] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i call it "gotest-c"
[15:29] <natefinch> rogpeppe: nice
[15:30] <rogpeppe> natefinch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6879643/
[15:30] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i should probably change it to use bash so other people can use it :-)
[15:31] <natefinch> rogpeppe: haha yeah I was thinking that
[15:31] <rogpeppe> natefinch: you can get pxargs with go get code.google.com/p/rog-go/cmd/pxargs
[15:31] <rogpeppe> natefinch: (it's similar to xargs except runs commands in parallel)
[15:35] <rogpeppe> natefinch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6879677/
[15:39] <mgz> hm, so the real issue is I can't get the juju-db service to stick, comes up with no error, nothing in upstart log, but no mongodb process survives
[15:40] <mgz> probably just the out of disk thing, will restart and watch syslog more closely
[15:42] <jam> mgz: this is the tarmac machine-0? (vs the actual tarmac machine-1 that runs the bot?)
[15:42] <mgz> yeah, playing with machine-0
[15:42] <mgz> looks in better state at attempt #2
[15:43] <mgz> hm, I say that, it's spamming machine-0.log still
[15:59] <mgz> well, that sucked
[15:59] <mgz> had to manually fix the provider-state file, and clean up spammed out logs for disk space
[16:01] <mgz> logging ever 2s a state connection can't be made is pretty disk filling too
[16:05] <rogpeppe> lunch
[16:12] <jam> have a good night, we're heading off to dinner
[16:55] <rogpeppe> dimitern: does this look reasonable to you? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6880125/
[16:56] <rogpeppe> dimitern: i'm trying to check if a field is either false or not present
[16:56] <rogpeppe> dimitern: (the hasvote clause)
[16:56] <rogpeppe> dimitern: but it doesn't appear to be working
[16:59] <dimitern> rogpeppe, shouldn't it be more like {"$or", []D{{{"hasvote", D{{"$ne", true}}}}}} ?
[17:00] <rogpeppe> dimitern: ah, that's a much better idea
[17:00] <rogpeppe> dimitern: (and no need for the $or then)
[17:01] <rogpeppe> dimitern: solved, thanks!
[17:01]  * rogpeppe feels a bit stupid :-)
[17:03] <dimitern> rogpeppe, ;) np
[17:06] <natefinch> Man that mgo code kills me
[17:13] <rogpeppe> natefinch: it's the subtle distinctions between maps and arrays that i always forget
[17:16] <rogpeppe> dimitern, natefinch: fairly trivial review? https://codereview.appspot.com/50590045/
[17:26] <rogpeppe> dimitern, natefinch: and an even more trivial one: https://codereview.appspot.com/54690051
[17:31] <dimitern> rogpeppe, looking at both in order
[17:31] <rogpeppe> dimitern: thanks!
[17:33] <natefinch> rogpeppe: looking at both in reverse order
[17:38] <dimitern> rogpeppe, both reviewed
[17:39] <rogpeppe> dimitern: thanks a lot
[17:41] <rogpeppe> dimitern, natefinch: and one last one, also trivial: https://codereview.appspot.com/59740049
[17:43] <dimitern> rogpeppe, LGTM
[17:43] <rogpeppe> dimitern:
[17:43] <rogpeppe> dimitern: ta!
[18:05] <rogpeppe> oh dear, the gobot seems to be broken
[18:05] <rogpeppe> flag provided but not defined: -test.timeout
[18:06] <rogpeppe> mgz: do you know why that was changed?
[18:13] <mgz> jam asked earlier
[18:13] <mgz> I'll get back to fixing it if I manage to recover juju, which is pretty severly borked
[18:22] <rogpeppe> mgz: ok, thanks
[18:22] <rogpeppe> i'm done for the day. g'night all.
[18:22] <mgz> night!
[18:22] <natefinch> rogpeppe: g'night
[18:24] <mgz> okay, I might have un-stuck it
[18:24] <mgz> but we're kind of in a bad spot
[18:24] <mgz> the juju version for the landing bot is still 1.11.0 and because of all the tools and config changes, it actually not upgradable
[18:25] <mgz> or at least, I'd need to refer back to each old version to find the correct tools config to pass both client and remote side lookup of tools, then walk it up the versions
[18:25] <mgz> which... I don't want to do
[18:38] <natefinch> mgz: can we not just kill it and redeploy with a new juju?
[18:41] <mgz> natefinch: I think that would be the sanest option, but the tarmac charm needs work first
[18:42] <natefinch> mgz: so is this because we didn't keep up with upgrades, or what?  What do we expect users to do in this situation?
[18:43] <mgz> roll over and die I think...
[18:43] <natefinch> mgz: that seems to not be the most user friendly decision... :/
[18:44] <mgz> seriously though, we should probably make sure any one who runs juju for semi-production stuff does an upgrade at each major version
[18:44] <mgz> though we should be less churny than we were last year
[18:45] <mgz> going through three config settings and a bunch of different layouts for tools stuff was pretty nuts
[18:49] <natefinch> mgz: we really just need to review our upgrade story.... there's no reason you shouldn't be able to upgrade directly from 1.11 to 1.17 (or whatever).  You just run the code that does 1.11->1.12, then run the code that does 1.12->1.13, etc (or whatever... I know we do that wacky even odd thing)


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[00:57] <guiverc> that was all i noticed.. looks good Bashing-om
[01:04] <Bashing-om> UWN: logging out and calling this what will be :D
[01:07] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om
[15:17] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::UbuntuOnAir:: Feedback-palooza! | Community Office Hours @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGtLsa-XJu8 (by Ubuntu OnAir)
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[19:55] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" and when saved will push .
[20:06] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - doing the Forum post next.
[20:21] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post done - Re-directs next.
[20:43] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs done - Pending now is release to the Social Medias.
[22:02] <guiverc> okay to push 707 to fridge et.al. Bashing-om ?
[22:13] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup push away - be aware of a line 77 hickup for the Fridge script.
[22:14] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/11/01/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-707/
[22:15] <guiverc> cloud news line needed to be manually pasted was all I noted wrong
[22:16] <guiverc> tweeted UWN 707
[22:17] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Something too is wrong with the "Ubuntu Budgie – Ubuntu With Traditional Desktop Experience" link  in the Fridge post.
[22:18] <guiverc> grr
[22:19] <guiverc> try now (your browser may have cached old page; but fixed now I believe; thanks Bashing-om)
[22:19] <Bashing-om> trying ^
[22:21] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup - good man that you are - link checks good now. No other issues are seen :D
[22:21] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Clear now to wipe Gdoc ?
[22:22] <guiverc> Yep wipe away
[22:27] <guiverc> UWN 707 pushed to fb
[22:30] <Bashing-om> UWN: We do 708 :D
[22:53] <krytarik> Fwiw, I cringed at the notion of the Ubuntu Budgie link being erroneous in the Fridge post at first.. because it shouldn't have been in it to begin with! :P
[22:55] <krytarik> But I guess it's fine to give one of the flavors some more visibility, even if it was by mistake.. XD
[23:29] <guiverc> i can remove it krytarik
[23:30] <guiverc> yeah it feels somewhat out of place; i'm happy to remove


[01:42] <miseria> "las palabras se las lleva el viento, el vendaval no podra llevarse los secretos mentales escritos en un papel" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
[07:33] <ppisati> moin
[08:41]  * apw waves to ppisati
[08:41] <apw> seems freenode is in one piece again
[09:11] <smb> Morning. Hm, I should change back my bip config then
[09:19] <mwhudson> apw: hey, are you planning on updating http://people.canonical.com/~apw/arm64/kernel/ ?
[09:20] <mwhudson> i have one built from 3.13.0-6.23 now if you want that :)
[09:46] <apw> mwhudson, that is a good point, i always meant that to be "automatic"
[09:49] <mwhudson> apw: i think it's safe to say it's not at the moment :)
[10:12] <apw> mwhudson, that is very true :)
[10:21] <apw> mwhudson (for the logs), ok i have updated the kernel to the -6.23 version in my people blob
[15:50] <jsalisbury> **
[15:50] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[15:50] <jsalisbury> **
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ##
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ## Kernel team meeting in 5 minutes
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ppisati, about 20 seconds early ;-)
[17:04] <apw> bjf, did we decide to move to the official upstream fix for CVE-2014-0038
[17:05] <bjf> apw, yes
[17:07] <apw> bjf, ok thanks, i'll go and thnk about how we represent "either" being good enough
[17:08] <antarus> this is in #ubuntu-meeting?
[17:08] <antarus> or did I miss it...(again?)
[17:09] <jsalisbury> antarus, yeah, it was in ubuntu-meeting and was a quick meeting.
[17:09] <apw> antarus, it was in #ubuntu-meeting on the hour yes
[17:09] <apw> though as they people who would be in there are all in here, you shouldn't feel entirely limited by its bounds
[17:09] <antarus> haha
[17:10] <antarus> are any of you running the saucy backport stack?
[17:10] <antarus> or are you on T now? :)
[17:10] <kamal> jsalisbury, idea:  change your 5-minute warning announcement to say "Kernel team meeting in 5 minutes in the #ubuntu-meeting channel".
[17:10] <jsalisbury> kamal, good idea
[17:10] <apw> no to ""Kernel team meeting starting in 5m and ending in 9m in #ubuntu-meetin
[17:11] <apw> g, get your skates on"
[17:11] <apw> antarus, most of us are all T, though one or two do opt for P+S
[17:12] <antarus> I was merely curious
[17:12] <antarus> we have some new hardware, and we are testing P+S and seeing weird issues, I hope to have actual bug reports in a day or so
[17:12] <antarus> (issues like, 'external monitors do not work anymore'
[17:13] <antarus> but if most people are running T, it is unlikely you would necessarily catch it on your end
[17:15] <apw> ok kernel side we tend to be bleeding edge, other people in other bits not so much
[17:19]  * antarus nods
[17:36] <jsalisbury> apw, The issue still seems to exist after disabling PREEMPT for bug 1275116  I'm going to install the lowlatency kernel on some of my machines to see if I can reproduce the bug.
[17:36] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1275116 in linux (Ubuntu) "lowlatency-flavour crashes and locks up alot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1275116
[17:36] <jsalisbury> apw, any other things you think I should try?
[17:37] <apw> jsalisbury, well there is only the irq's really
[17:37] <apw> jsalisbury, otherwise it is a HZ change you could revert that
[17:37] <apw> basically then it ought to be the "same"
[17:38] <jsalisbury> apw, Ok, I can give that a try, just to make sure the bug doesn't exist with all those options un-set
[17:41] <jsalisbury> apw, It was confirmed that the bug still happens with nothreadirqs, so yeah, only the HZ changes are left.
[17:41] <apw> hrm
[17:43] <apw> bjf, was i ok repurposing the .24 tracking bug for .25 as it hadn't even built ?
[17:43] <bjf> yes
[19:58] <wget> Hi guys. On Ubuntu and derivatives, I noticed that the symbols defined at /proc/kallsyms are all zeroed when read as a standard user, but are the right location when read from root. Do you have applied a patch for that.
[19:58] <wget> I checked with distributions and even compiled a kernel by myself and noticed all the symbols (or most of them) are readable by a standard user on these distributions.
[19:58] <wget> You have thus enabled some extra to hide these symbols, noh?
[20:09] <mwhudson> wget: well, unless it's a config thing
[20:10] <wget> mwhudson: Mmh ok let's see. I'm gonna compile a 3.13.1 using the same .config.
[22:19] <xnox> i find it confusing that Tim's launchpad id and declared irc nicknames do not match =)
[22:22] <mwhudson> apw: \o/


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 @mitya57 are you bothered that this is not migrating? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles/5.15.2+dfsg-3
 I guess maybe not too much if the GCC fix is the only thing?
 Yes, I saw that, it's not important
 thanks for confirming


[01:35] <jujujsp> Hello every body
[01:35] <jujujsp> I have trouble to install kubuntu 15.04 on my machine, somebody to help me?
[01:38] <jujujsp> I have problem when trying to install kubuntu, is there any body to help me?
[01:42] <jujujsp> Anybody now how to disable RAID automatic detection on installation?
[02:14] <Vidiot_X> Is it possible to stop indexing in 15.04? Referring to 'baloo_file' . This is just used for search right?
[04:28] <Linux-Uzer> Help!
[04:44] <lary> need help as i tried to install 15.04 in v box and it asks for password foe either plasma or failksafe
[04:47] <lary> anyone out there
[05:16] <nk138> i just uninstall mysql from kubuntu,now no icons on the screen after login
[05:50] <jimtendo> lary: Try not entering a password at all.
[05:51] <jimtendo> lary: Kubuntu's default password is blank, IIRC.
[08:20] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:26] <srxavi> Good morning!
[08:27] <lordievader> Hey srxavi
[08:30] <jimtendo> Hi guys, I've had my computer hardware crash (as in, it 'looks' like it powers off - monitor off, hard drives stop, etc, but power supply still on) twice while trying to open a file in KWrite. Assuming this isn't a hardware error (but it very well might be), does that inidicate that there might be a SEVERE vulnerability bug somewhere?
[08:32] <lordievader> jimtendo: Take a look at your system temps, it might just be overheating.
[08:37] <yossarianuk> Anyone having odd graphical issues with intel based GPU's see -> https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-distro-packagers/2015-August/000088.html
[08:37] <yossarianuk> its fixed my work machine
[08:38] <yossarianuk> I used to have to do a 'kwin_x11 --replace &'  several times a day or the graphics were messed up.
[08:38] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Haven't seen anything strange here, perhaps it affects only newer stuff?
[08:38] <yossarianuk> (nvidia all is fine though)
[08:38] <srxavi> IIRC the bug is in the intel driver stack
[08:38] <yossarianuk> yes,- changing to UXA fixes all issues as far as I can see
[08:39] <yossarianuk> the bug was pretty bug - i,.e totally unusable display - almost like watching a broken VHS (for those old enough to remember them..)
[08:39] <yossarianuk> *bad*
[08:40] <yossarianuk> windows would stop updating - i.e you type in konsole and not see any text (until you did a kwin_x11...)
[08:41] <yossarianuk> machine's not amazingly new - 'Ivybridge Desktop '
[08:43] <lordievader> I'm rocking an old C2D in my test box.
[09:46] <Neo9> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31851950/does-deb-package-accepts-commandline-arguments
[09:53] <lordievader> Neo9: A deb package is more of a container to install files than a script executor. (Sure there are the pre and post install scripts)
[11:39] <lordievader> !PM | Neo9
[11:39] <lordievader> Neo9: You don't, it seems to me like you do not understand the idea of a deb package.
[11:40] <Neo9> lordievader: Sorry, for that. sure.
[11:40] <lordievader> Or are trying to do things with it for which it ain't designed.
[11:40] <Neo9> So, how to pass the commandline arguments to a .deb package? Can you Please give me example How it is possible with pre scripts. OR provide some reference links. Thanks in advance
[11:40] <lordievader> What is it exactly that you are trying to accomplish?
[11:43] <Neo9> lordievader: okay. i am trying to create a deb package for auto install& deploy a software.  where my software need's installation script at first time of installing it. And configuration at each time of reboot the system. So,  ex: abcd.deb --configure
[11:44] <lordievader> Neo9: Ah, that is what the pre and post install scripts are for. For the at each boot thing, write an upstart/systemd script.
[11:48] <Neo9> lordievader: the package download's some necessary files from a CDN. their are two options i need to provide to the client  1.install stable version  2.install updated version.  Any clue?
[11:49] <lordievader> Neo9: Create two packages.
[11:51] <Neo9> lordievader: The package is going to put in a Blueprint Library of a DataCentre. where user can get auto deployment of server with package by a single click. So,
[11:52] <lordievader> So?
[11:53] <Neo9> lordievader: we need to provide an option to the provider while deploying it.
[11:53] <lordievader> You do that by supplying two packages, one stable, one updated.
[11:53] <lordievader> They can choose which to install.
[11:57] <Neo9> lordievader: since installing of a package is called from a script (single Bluprint installation click provided in the Service Provider DashBoard), user don't have a chance to choose a package to be installed.
[11:58] <lordievader> Ask the user from within the script?
[12:00] <Neo9> lordievader: How about if user installed stable package then ask how to update it to latest version.
[12:00] <lordievader> I.e. install updates package?
[12:05] <Neo9> lordievader: can you please provide a reference link..
[12:06] <Neo9> lordievader: about what exactly you are talking about?
[12:08] <Neo9> lordievader: provide me a link what exactly you are talking about.
[12:09] <Neo9> lordievader: i think that is more helpful me.
[12:14] <lordievader> Neo9: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html
[12:15] <Neo9> lordievader: Thanks.
[13:22] <kbroulik> will 15.04 get plasma 5.4 backproted?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:34] <khalidZidjali> Hiii there
[13:36] <lordievader> o/
[13:36] <lordievader> kbroulik: Wily doesn't even have 5.4 yet.
[13:37] <kbroulik> probably because it's not out yet but I'm wondering :)
[13:38] <lordievader> kbroulik: Ask around in #kubuntu-devel, I'd say.
[15:20] <Finetundra> morning guys, I woke up today to my wifi card on my laptop with kubuntu 14.04 installed not being detected. What do I do?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> Finetundra:  new install or upgrade ?
[15:22] <Finetundra> BluesKaj: It's an install I've had for around 6 months or so
[15:23] <Finetundra> maybe longer
[15:25] <BluesKaj> have done any update/upgrades lately, Finetundra? And if so which wifi chip are we dealing with.
[15:30] <yossarianuk> Finetundra: this happened to me once - turned out I had knocked the physical button on the laptop with enables/disabled wireless card (double check..)
[15:33] <BluesKaj> which physical button yossarianuk?, lenovo laptop here , don't see one
[15:37] <prillian5> is zeitgeist on kubuntu 15.04 used?
[15:37] <prillian5> I have messages like: org.gnome.zeitgeist.SimpleIndexer[2215]: ** (zeitgeist-fts:3044): WARNING **: Unable to get info on application://zeitgeist-datahub.desktop
[15:37] <prillian5> in syslog
[15:37] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: lenovo here too - t530i
[15:38] <yossarianuk> for me its a little switch on the left of the laptop
[15:38] <yossarianuk> if I slide it it disables wlan
[15:38] <prillian5> Normaly kde use strigi or nepomuk ??!!
[15:39] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: Also - FN + F5 does it
[15:39] <yossarianuk> however if the switch is slided to disabled then fn+f% does nothing
[15:39] <yossarianuk> what model do you have ?
[15:40] <prillian5> can I remove zeitgeist or don't?
[15:40] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk:  lenovo g500 here, no switch
[15:41] <BluesKaj> prillian5: just a sec, checking
[15:41] <prillian5> BluesKaj: thank you
[15:42] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: check this - > https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/ht072689
[15:42] <yossarianuk> my switch looks like the one there
[15:43] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: one clue is - is the wireless light on ?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> prillian5:  zeitgeist is a metapackage , it can be safely removed
[15:52] <prillian5> BluesKaj: Thank you. But is it installed by default for KDe?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> prillian5:  not that I know of , it's not installed on 15.04
[15:59] <prillian5> ok
[15:59] <prillian5> Thank you
[18:50] <Vidiot-X> A few bugs here and there but recovery is good and a lot of them are on exit of an application (not effecting use). Where should I report bugs/issues?
[18:54] <lordievader> Vidiot-X: I supose they are with the actual software: http://bugs.kde.org
[18:56] <Vidiot-X> lordievader: Thanks. I am a developer and would like to help out reporting/documenting them. ;)
[18:57] <lordievader> Vidiot-X: Ask around in #kubuntu-devel or #kde-devel ;)
[18:59] <Vidiot-X> lordievader: Awesome. :)
[19:19] <IronMag> getting ip configuration was unavailable message
[19:19] <IronMag> when trying to connect to network
[19:19] <IronMag> in VMWARE
[19:20] <IronMag> How do I go about fixing this
[19:21] <IronMag> I have alr
[19:21] <IronMag> *already enabled VMWARE in firewall
[19:21] <IronMag> but then I got the said message
[19:40] <finetundra> BluesKaj: Sorry I disappeared, my internet shat itself
[19:41] <finetundra> BluesKaj: at any rate, the card is a intel centrino wireless-n 1030
[19:41] <finetundra> and I have recently updated
[19:43] <finetundra> but I didn't see anything that mentioned wifi ro wireless
[19:43] <finetundra> *or
[19:49] <murthy> இது ஒரு சோதனை
[19:50] <murthy> any one able to see the above text?
[19:50] <Pici> yes.
[19:50] <murthy> as a letters or boxes?
[19:51] <murthy> Pici: you can see the distinct letters right?
[19:52] <Pici> murthy: yes
[19:53] <murthy> Pici: ok thanks
[19:53] <Pici> murthy: http://i.imgur.com/YX1RFFt.png
[19:54] <murthy> Pici: thanks a lot, seems the last letter is missing?
[19:54] <Pici> murthy: I have no idea what sort of script I'm looking at there, so maybe?
[19:54] <murthy> Pici: tamil
[19:55] <murthy> Pici: "னை" that letter is displayed partially at the end?
[19:56] <Pici> murthy: if that is supposed to be at the end, I can't see it.
[19:57] <murthy> Pici: how about this "பூனை"
[19:57] <murthy> Pici: how many symbols do you see?
[19:57] <Pici> murthy: it looks like it might be writing on-top of itself.  I wonder if it is because I'm using a monospace font.
[19:58] <murthy> Pici: oh
[19:58] <murthy> Pici: can you select the word, copy paste here?
[19:58] <Pici> "பூனை"
[19:59] <murthy> Pici: ya you must be right, I can see the complete word
[20:00] <BluesKaj> finetundra:  do you have the iwlwifi driver installed? To find your wifi network, sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid
[20:00] <murthy> Pici: thanks
[20:00] <Pici> np
[20:00] <murthy> BluesKaj: hi
[20:01] <BluesKaj> hi murthy
[20:06] <IronMag> Hi can anyone help me?
[20:12] <bprompt> !ask
[20:14] <murthy> IronMag: is it about the vmware?
[20:23] <IronMag> yes
[20:25] <IronMag> murthy:yes
[20:25] <murthy> IronMag: whats the host os?
[20:25] <IronMag> murthy:Windows
[20:26] <murthy> IronMag: ok
[20:26] <IronMag> murthy:I have set the connection as NAT
[20:27] <IronMag> murthy:but I am getting "IP Configuration was unavailable"
[20:27] <IronMag> murthy: When I try to connect to eth0
[20:27] <murthy> IronMag: you have installed kubuntu 15.04?
[20:27] <IronMag> murthy: yes
[20:28] <murthy> IronMag: what does the command "ifconfig" says
[20:33] <IronMag> murthy: I can't copy it here
[20:33] <murthy> IronMag: its ok,  can you see the ip address?
[20:34] <murthy> brb
[20:34] <IronMag> murthy: Only loopback
[20:40] <murthy> IronMag: can you see the vmware's network adapter in the output of "lshw" command?
[20:44] <IronMag> murthy: Yes
[20:44] <IronMag> murthy: I see PCI Express Root Port
[20:47] <murthy> IronMag: no the network adapter ?
[20:47] <IronMag> murthy: Nope
[20:48] <murthy> IronMag: whats the network device shown in the vmware network configuration?
[20:49] <IronMag> murthy: 82545EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller(Copper)
[20:49] <IronMag> murthy: vendor: Intel
[20:50] <murthy> IronMag: whats your vmware version?
[20:50] <explorer> hi
[20:51] <IronMag> murthy: 7.1.0
[20:52] <explorer> Unable to get kubuntu 15.04 working in full screen mode tried vmware and virtual box both no success so far vmware tool and virtualbox guest addition installed respectively
[20:52] <explorer> can anyone comfirm this problem with distro
[20:54] <explorer> Host machine is windows 10
[20:58] <explorer> Unable to get kubuntu 15.04 working in full screen mode tried vmware and virtual box both no success so far vmware tool and virtualbox guest addition installed respectively.Host is windows 10
[21:00] <explorer> any reply will be appreciated guyz... anyone ?
[21:04] <mparillo> explorer: For vmware, I apt update && apt install open-vm-tools-desktop -y
[21:04] <mparillo> Then reboot
[21:04] <explorer> mrparillo: Thanks for reply done that sir
[21:04] <mparillo> I have not used the proprietary VM Tools since 14.04
[21:05] <explorer> whenever switched to full screen whole screen isnt rendered
[21:05] <murthy> IronMag: can you see the network device in the output of "lspci" command?
[21:06] <explorer> initial screen is usable and rest of it isnt even accessible :)
[21:06] <explorer> what i found strange is facing same problem with vmware and virtual box
[21:07] <mparillo> You mean the wallpaper? For example, I can maximize programs, but not the wallpaper. See my bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342978
[21:07] <explorer> vm tools and virtualbox installed on both the setups respectively
[21:08] <mparillo> Then sorry, all I can say is that it works for me (except for the wallpaper / hamburger). I am no develope.r
[21:09] <explorer> mrprillo well i can not use rest of screen area ie cant even right click on newly extended area
[21:09] <mparillo> OK, so it is not my bug
[21:09] <mparillo> Yours is more severe
[21:10] <mparillo> Assuming you are a pretty vanilla install, I recommend you open a KDE bug
[21:11] <explorer> yup :) have to install on hardware as virtualisation isnt working
[21:13] <explorer> mparillo: thanks for reply mate obliged
[21:14] <mparillo> Sorry I was no help
[21:15] <mparillo> Also sorry to say if it works on real HW, and not on a VM, you may get little love for your bug.
[21:15] <mparillo> In my experiance, anyway
[21:15] <IronMag> Murthy Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82545EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller
[21:16] <IronMag> Murthy: Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82545EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller
[21:16] <chencho9000_> when will be vulkan released?
[21:19] <murthy> IronMag: can you change this network adapter type to something else in vmware?
[21:22] <explorer> IronMag: sorry to jump in between .... if u r working on virtual machine turn off machine goto settings > and select bridged connection this iwll surely solve the connection issue.
[21:22] <explorer> see ya guyz have a good day
[21:24] <IronMag> Murthy: explorer's suggestion solved it.Thank you so much for the help!!
[21:26] <murthy> IronMag: yw
[21:26] <IronMag> Murthy: How do I quit?
[21:26] <murthy> IronMag: from where?
[21:27] <IronMag> murthy: explorer has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
[21:27] <IronMag> *
[21:28] <murthy> IronMag: just close the konversation window
[21:28] <IronMag> Murthy:  oh ok.Still new to this.Thank you!
[21:28] <murthy> sure
[21:29] <murthy> bbl
[21:56] <chencho9000> hello


[02:34] <Trevinho> duflu: mh, I've no idea in how reproducing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1745070
[02:35] <duflu> Trevinho, yeah weird. It's only my desktop. Not on a fully updated laptop
[02:35] <Trevinho> it's like it's not getting the atom from xorg
[02:35] <duflu> Also I got it to look right *once* and then on the next login it was broken again
[02:42] <duflu> Wayland works fine if I log into that one first. Then it's broken if I try again (after Xorg)
[02:46] <duflu> Trevinho, if nobody confirms it I might have to reinstall this machine. It's been hacked for mutter/gnome-shell testing in the past
[03:27] <duflu> RAOF: Do you know anything about mesa-demos/mesa-utils? I was waiting for a fix but it hasn't had any upstream releases for 2 years
[03:27] <duflu> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/demos/
[03:34] <RAOF> duflu: I'm not surprised it hasn't seen any releases; the code is super-simple.
[03:34] <RAOF> What bug have you seen?
[03:34] <duflu> RAOF: Remember wayland gears 40FPS?
[03:34] <duflu> The fix landed in July
[03:35] <RAOF> Oh, hah.
[03:41] <RAOF> Well, it's nobody's priority.
[03:50] <duflu> RAOF: Would it be inappropriate to snapshot git for bionic?
[03:50] <RAOF> Not at all.
[06:54] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:03] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:03] <seb128> salut oSoMoN, ça va bien ?
[07:04] <oSoMoN> seb128, salut! pas très bien dormi, mais on a connu pire… et toi, ça va?
[07:04] <seb128> ouais, réveillé trop tôt mais sinon ça va
[07:05] <jibel> good morning
[07:06] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[07:07] <jibel> salut oSoMoN
[07:09] <duflu> salut oSoMoN, seb128, jibel
[07:09] <seb128> hey hey hey
[07:14] <oSoMoN> salut duflu
[07:30] <didrocks> good morning
[08:30] <duflu> And hi didrocks
[08:53] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[08:54] <didrocks> hey flexiondotorg!
[08:56] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[08:58] <duflu> Morning flexiondotorg
[09:01] <Laney> moin
[09:03] <duflu> Morning Laney
[09:04] <koza> jibel, seb128, are you guys joining bt mtg?
[09:04] <koza> and morning :)
[09:07] <seb128> koza, sorry since will is not there I assumed we were skipping
[09:07] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:08] <jibel> koza, sorry I missed the notification. Are you still in the meeting?
[09:08] <didrocks> morning Laney
[09:08] <didrocks> & jibel
[09:08] <jibel> hi didrocks
[09:34] <duflu> jibel, for future reference, user bugs shouldn't be assigned to 'wayland'. That package just contains protocol stuff for developers really. Most wayland session bugs have nothing to do with the 'wayland' package
[09:35] <duflu> So they are gnome-shell or mutter bugs
[09:56] <jibel> duflu, how do you tag bugs that happen only on wayland?
[09:56] <duflu> jibel, 'wayland' or 'wayland-session'
[09:57] <jibel> wayland-session is automatically added by apport if the bug report is sent from a wayland session
[09:57] <jibel> so there are tons of it and it doesn't really mean anything
[09:57] <jibel> ah, you were referring to the chrome bug
[09:57] <duflu> jibel, yeah I noticed that so use wayland-session now. It's often helpful to explain more about the bug
[09:58] <jibel> yeah, it was assigned xorg with is not correct either
[09:58] <duflu> jibel, also gnome-shell bugs are being reported against xorg and xorg-server but I ignore half of those... already subscribed to too much bug traffic
[10:09] <andyrock> good morning
[10:10] <andyrock> seb128: I found a way to use gnome-online-accounts for sso
[10:10] <seb128> hey andyrock
[10:10] <seb128> andyrock, oh, nice, how?
[10:11] <andyrock> it requires some patches upstream (to build python bindings for goa-backend=
[10:11] <seb128> those don't exist yet?
[10:11] <andyrock> not for goa-backend
[10:11] <seb128> k
[10:12] <andyrock> goa-backend is required to make software-properties (or the installer) to prompt
[10:12] <andyrock> so if an account does not exists yet we can prompt a login dialog
[10:13] <andyrock> the only major problem I see know is how to feed the keys that we in the installer into the user session
[10:13] <andyrock> apart from the fact that xenial does not have gnome-online-account
[10:14] <andyrock> *i see now
[10:17] <seb128> right, let's focus on the right solution for bionic first though
[11:22] <GunnarHj> Hey seb128, did you see my ping about fcitx-libpinyin yesterday? Is it something you can help with?
[11:22] <GunnarHj> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/01/23/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t16:27
[11:53] <willcooke> Hi all, back home
[11:56] <didrocks> wb willcooke!
[11:57] <oSoMoN> hey willcooke
[11:58]  * willcooke needs to have 6 teeth out.  4 wisdom teeth, and 2 bottoms ones next to the wisdom teeth because they've been wrecked by the wisdom teeth.
[11:58] <willcooke> Go to the dentists more than once every 20 years kids!
[12:01] <didrocks> willcooke: urgh on the extra 2 bottom ones :/
[12:01] <didrocks> willcooke: do you have an appointment for extracting them?
[12:02] <oSoMoN> ouch
[12:07] <Laney> whoops
[12:07] <Laney> that's a hospital one I guess?
[12:07] <willcooke> Yeah
[12:08] <willcooke> This was a consultancy to talk through whats going on
[12:08] <willcooke> and now I just wait for an appointment
[12:08] <willcooke> some months I expect
[12:08] <willcooke> The Dr said it should be fairly straight forward though
[12:08] <willcooke> fingers crossed
[12:08] <Laney> string + door
[12:09] <chrisccoulson> I'd have my bottom ones out again if I could. Just for the drugs
[12:09] <willcooke> heheh
[12:09] <chrisccoulson> :)
[12:10] <willcooke> I opted for local only, perhaps that wasnt wise
[12:10] <chrisccoulson> willcooke, I had local only, but they pumped me fullof midazolam
[12:10] <chrisccoulson> so I didn't care too much
[12:10] <willcooke> woot, hope I get some of that too
[12:15] <didrocks> just ask for one tooth per visit :p
[12:15] <didrocks> and space them with few days in between
[12:47] <seb128> hey GunnarHj, I saw but didn't have time to look at that yet
[12:48] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, no urgency, but can you please put it on your list.
[12:48] <seb128> yes
[12:48] <seb128> did you check if those binaries have rdepends or if they can be removed without more work?
[12:49] <GunnarHj> seb128: No.. Will get back about it.
[12:49] <seb128> thanks
[13:01] <GunnarHj> seb128: We are talking about fcitx-libpinyin and fcitx-libpinyin-dbgsym in bionic ppc64el/s390x. No reverse depends as far as I can see.
[13:01] <seb128> GunnarHj, thanks for checking
[14:40] <jbicha> didrocks: could you promote orca to main and remove source gnome-orca?
[14:40] <jbicha> also you can try promoting fonts-noto-color-emoji to main now
[14:41] <didrocks> jbicha: was there a source rename for orca? (something to track/get the details ?)
[14:44] <jibel> kenvandine, everything's good with gnome-software in xenial-proposed
[14:50] <GunnarHj> seb128: I opened translations for and changed focus to bionic. Hope that's ok.
[14:50] <GunnarHj> I see that a full language pack has been built:
[14:50] <GunnarHj> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+language-packs
[14:54] <seb128> GunnarHj, you have the power to open translations? I though that was done by the launchpad team?
[14:55] <seb128> GunnarHj, in any case sure, sounds good to me, we discussed langpacks yesterday on this channel
[14:56] <didrocks> missed opportunity seb128, you should have said: "oh, ensure you ping sil2100 about it, he's the new langpack master victim" ;)
[14:57] <seb128> didrocks, that's right :)
[15:03] <kenvandine> jibel, awesome, thanks!
[15:07] <sil2100> heh ;)
[15:07] <sil2100> Yeah, will get to that soon
[15:10] <GunnarHj> Well, I have the power to "unhide" it here:
[15:10] <GunnarHj> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+translations-admin
[15:10] <GunnarHj> Think it's because I'm member of ~ubuntu-translations-coordinators.
[15:10] <GunnarHj> Reviewed yesterday's IRC log. Has sil2100 taken over it from you?
[15:11] <GunnarHj> seb128: ^
[15:12]  * Laney cries
[15:12] <Laney> xnox: do you know how to spy on messages on systemd's private bus?
[15:12] <sil2100> I didn't want to, I did that by accident
[15:12] <Laney> I want to look at what systemd-run does but it doesn't use the normal session/system bus
[15:13] <seb128> GunnarHj, seems so yes
[15:14] <seb128> didrocks, sorry about the trello board, dnd has been unreliable for me for some reason, dropping the card I was moving on the way and picking the one which was under at this time to finish the dnd
[15:19] <didrocks> seb128: no pb :)
[15:30] <Laney> ah maybe xnox is off
[15:30] <Laney> pitti: ^--- don't suppose you've ever done that before?
[15:30] <Laney> & hey :-)
[15:31] <pitti> Laney: hey! ah, I'm afraid not, other than "strace" - the normal dbus-monitor wouldn't work
[15:32] <Laney> indeed
[15:32] <Laney> just wondered if there was some trick
[15:32] <pitti> I think systemd-run needs some extra API that the normal dbus doesn't provide; it's not just an accident/bug
[15:32] <Laney> looking at the code it feels like normal dbus
[15:32]  * Laney sucks and can't get StartTransientUnit to work
[15:32] <Laney> Error: GDBus.Error:System.Error.ENXIO: No such device or address
[15:33] <Laney> THANKS LENNART
[15:34] <Laney> back in a minute, mexican three bean wrap is calling
[15:37] <seb128> kenvandine, do you know what's the status of https://trello.com/c/Taa8Urjo/63-bug1661590-support-multiple-apps-in-a-snap ? it feels like the card could deserve an update, it's "in progress"  for a long time with no activity
[15:39] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey, I reviewed the common printing dialogs new packages and accepted them
[15:40] <kenvandine> seb128, i'll find out, thx
[15:40] <jbicha> didrocks: yes, gnome-orca source was renamed to orca, but there's no bug report for it
[15:40] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[15:41] <jibel> mdeslaur, do you know when update-notifier from xenial-proposed will be copied to the security pocket? (if it's still the plan)
[15:42] <mdeslaur> jibel: I'm not sure...I assume the SRU team is waiting the 7-day waiting period before releasing it
[15:43] <jibel> okay, one more day then
[15:43] <mdeslaur> jibel: if they don't release it in the next couple of days, ping them?
[15:43] <mdeslaur> ping me if there's an issue
[15:44] <seb128> kenvandine, also https://trello.com/c/5x2jLgX0/138-support-snap-channels could do with a status update I guess?
[15:44] <jibel> mdeslaur, yes, thanks
[15:45] <didrocks> jbicha: mind filing something so that we track it?
[15:51] <jbicha> didrocks: hmm, is LP: #1739917 close enough?
[15:52] <didrocks> jbicha: ah, sounds good!
[15:54] <didrocks> jbicha: the orca new binary package stays in universe, correct?
[15:55] <didrocks> "On second thought, I guess this bug is a bit unnecessary since the 'orca' binary package will need to be manually promoted to main anyway.
[15:55] <didrocks> "
[15:55] <didrocks> hum
[15:55] <didrocks> anyway, orca binary package is already in main
[15:56] <didrocks> jbicha: done: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/orca/+bug/1739917/comments/2
[15:57] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, I bin NEWed to main when I reviewed it since it was replacing a package in main
[15:57] <didrocks> oki, sounds good!
[15:59] <jbicha> 🤠
[16:33] <jbicha> https://community.ubuntu.com/t/removal-of-headerbar-patches-and-impact-on-unity/1456/31
[16:46] <mdeslaur> argh, I keep clicking on notifications by mistake
[16:52] <mdeslaur> having them in the middle is a pita...on os x they appear on the right, a distance away from the window buttons, and the menu
[16:52] <mdeslaur> but there's no place to put them where they don't get in the way when the menus are inside the window, or worse in the headerbar, and the window decorations are on the right
[16:54] <jbicha> I don't understand. Wouldn't the middle be the spot you're least likely to accidentally click?
[16:54] <mdeslaur> not really, I have windows there
[16:54] <mdeslaur> when I have a window to the left of my screen, the window buttons are in the middle
[16:55] <mdeslaur> when I have a window to the right of my screen, the menu is in the middle
[16:55] <jbicha> I think the solution is to just make the headerbars larger! 🙃
[16:56] <mdeslaur> sure, if you make them take up half the screen, then notifications will have plenty of room ;P
[17:02] <jbicha> oh and then there's a ninja edit "but wait"
[17:20] <Laney> laney@nightingale> gdbus call --session --dest org.freedesktop.systemd1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/systemd1 --method org.freedesktop.systemd1.Manager.StartTransientUnit "laney.timer" "fail" "[('OnActiveSec', <@t 10>)]" "[]"
[17:20] <Laney> (objectpath '/org/freedesktop/systemd1/job/7505',)
[17:20] <Laney> yay, finally
[17:20] <jbicha> 🙌
[17:21] <Laney> it was the @t I was missing
[17:58] <oSoMoN> ricotz, just FYI, the LO autopkgtest failures I mentioned the other day are due to https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115208
[18:13] <willcooke> night all, see you tomorrow
[18:21] <ricotz> oSoMoN, thanks
[18:54] <oSoMoN> good night
[23:02] <jdstrand> kenvandine: hey, I'm not sure if you saw, but mvo and I were discussing the xdg-settings pr. I advocated on behalf of you and will to have it in 2.31, but they are trying to cut 2.31 soon (it is rc1), so you might want to chat with Will if you want it in
[23:02] <jdstrand> (with Will to chat with mvo)
[23:02] <kenvandine[m][m]> jdstrand: thx
[23:03] <jdstrand> kenvandine[m][m]: afaic, it is quite close. I just had a couple of small things
[23:03] <kenvandine[m][m]> Ok, I'll talk to him