[00:46] <micahg> fta: still around?  can you fix the version for natty to 0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> from 0ubuntu1?
[01:03] <micahg> fta: nm, I'll take care of it
[01:14] <micahg> fta: fixed BTW, I deleted the tag and retagged with the proper version, you'll need to uncommit, revert, pull or pull overwrite
[01:26] <micahg> uploading chromium
[01:51] <micahg> fta: BTW, the SRU exception keeps me from having to review the 1 million line diff between 10 and 11 :)
[06:01] <fta> micahg, grrr. your change was not needed
[06:01] <micahg> fta: what do you mean?
[06:01] <fta> didn't matter to have 0ubuntu1
[06:02] <micahg> fta: well, wanted it to be consistent
[06:02] <micahg> also, means you can upload ubuntu1 when oneiric opens
[06:04] <fta> you messed up with my setup, now my channel branches are ahead and some branches diverged
[06:06] <micahg> fta: would it be better if the change was on top?
[06:07] <fta> that's no sponsoring at all, next time, i'll let you do them all. i'm really sick of this thing
[06:10] <micahg> fta: sorry, was trying to save you from another silly change
[06:20]  * micahg -> sleep
[15:41] <chrisccoulson> maaaaan, natty feels so out-of-date already
[15:41] <chrisccoulson> when can i upgrade to oneiric? ;)
[15:42] <m_conley> :)
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley!
[15:42] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey!  congrats on releasing natty!
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> heh, thanks. now the fun starts all over again ;)
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, have you seen the overlay scrollbars in natty?
[15:44] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I think I saw a blog post about them.  Newer, shiny, thinner scrollbars, right?
[15:44] <m_conley> appear on demand?
[15:44] <fta> doh, just took an unexpected shower.. outside
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah. they look pretty nice
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> i took a look earlier to see how much effort it would take to support them in tbird and ffox
[15:45] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: and?
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> it could be a bit of a pain ;)
[15:45]  * m_conley sighs
[15:45] <m_conley> oh Gecko.
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> it's something to think about, as i know mark would very much like for me to get them working :)
[15:46]  * m_conley nods
[15:46] <fta> dpm, the Uyghur guys helped a lot, all strings fixed ;)
[15:46] <dpm> fta, \o/ excellent :)
[15:47] <fta> dpm, btw, i'm wondering who else could take care of those translations, if i'm not there
[15:47] <fta> dpm, i'm thinking about giving up, and the consequences
[15:49] <dpm> fta, what are you thinking of giving up, chromium maintainership, translations...?
[15:49] <fta> dpm, everything, ubuntu
[15:50] <fta> dailies included
[15:50] <dpm> fta, oh sorry to hear that :(, howcome?
[15:51] <fta> dpm, i'm unhappy about a few recurrent things
[15:53]  * dpm has to jump into a call in a few mins, but he's listening
[22:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, that's just a preliminary beta for testing, final merge is may 17 from aurora


[23:57] <jo-erlend> I have a project that I need an ARM board for. I need one USB 3 Host and one USB 3 OTG. Other than that, it should be as small, simple and cheap as possible. Am I asking too much, or does anything like that exist?


[20:29] <IdleOne> !codecs | guntbert
[20:29] <IdleOne> is that correct?
[20:30] <guntbert> looking
[20:31] <guntbert> IdleOne: nearly - please omit the #
[20:31] <IdleOne> !codecs =~ s/#//
[20:32] <IdleOne> !codecs
[20:32] <guntbert> looks good
[20:32] <IdleOne> thanks for your help sir :)
[20:33] <guntbert> IdleOne: no problem here - did that syntax really work?
[20:36] <IdleOne> the one you provided, no
[20:39] <guntbert> ok, that leaves us only the long way - good to know - I guess we can wait until the next LTS for a new update :)
[20:40] <IdleOne> hehe, thank goodness


[02:36] <TimurTabi> ChmEarl: if you're getting UBSAN errors, something is wrong.  I tried 6.7-rc1 and I only saw one error, and that was in a driver that's normally disabled.
[02:36] <TimurTabi> You should post your dmesg somewhere.
[16:02] <ChmEarl> https://pb.dynavirt.com/view/raw/6b04ac36
[16:03] <ChmEarl> UBSAN errors booting Noble ub-24.04 xen VM (pvh)
[16:03] <ChmEarl> its messy
[16:03] <ChmEarl> plot summary, the errors come from xen drivers
[16:04] <ChmEarl> booting pv does the same thing
[16:04] <ChmEarl> the CPU is ivy-bridge
[16:05] <ChmEarl> TimurTabi, ^ thanks for looking
[16:24] <ChmEarl> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217693
[16:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-kernel- bugzilla.kernel.org bug 217693 in Drivers "UBSAN: index 1 is out of range for type 'xen_netif_rx_sring_entry [1]'" [Normal, New]
[16:24] <ChmEarl> xen team linked me this ^
[16:35] <ChmEarl>  3 weeks ago kernel-6.4 was tested in ubuntu xen/Pvh domU and no ubsan errors appeared


[17:44] <Tallken> hi, need support on 2.6.27, anyone here?
[20:02] <dogwar1984> have any one look on software wine its alot of bugs in it one is in the game spore i get grafick problem in the right corner take 4/3 part of the screen sen it in ohter games to


[01:50] <cyberanger> wrst: seems a bit redundant with ssh, but yeah
[01:51] <cyberanger> I'm not using xorg right now, why bother with a netbook, when all I want is to look something up and chat
[01:51] <cyberanger> I might be the few, but I wouldn't say rare
[02:30] <vychune> o/
[03:01] <chris4585> I noticed midori surfs the internet faster than chrome does when I'm under FAP
[03:01] <chris4585> hrm.. interesting
[04:00] <cyberanger> chris4585: not heard of midori, but there's some reasons I can understand that
[04:01] <cyberanger> how often do you get under fap?
[04:01] <chris4585> cyberanger, :O
[04:01] <chris4585> cyberanger, well, depends, my brother just moved in and hes just now getting how it works..
[04:01] <chris4585> but at least 4 times the past month (due to him moving in)
[04:02] <chris4585> we get a free token to reset it, but otherwise its $10 to reset it to normal again
[04:02] <chris4585> or just wait out the 24hour slowness
[04:02] <chris4585> before he moved in it was rare, once a month? or twice
[04:05] <chris4585> I try my very best to prevent it though
[04:06] <chris4585> for example... lets say for the daily bandwidth we only have 10mbs left, and there is an hour or so.. I will inplug the router to prevent us going over the bandwidth
[04:06] <chris4585> which is better because, 1hr with no internet is way better than 24hours of slow ass internet

[04:08] <cyberanger> well, I understand, between my end as a hughesnet middleman (somewhere between corprate and consumer, working with a contractor, lose lose in ways, but I'd do it again)
[04:08] <chris4585> I sometimes look at the rate the internet vanishes to make the decision, just depends lol
[04:08] <cyberanger> and my exp. with celluar
[04:09] <cyberanger> which I'm doing again, sorta like a FAP too, 5gb a month, or I'm throttled, and I can reset it for another $40
[04:10] <cyberanger> which is not too bad, it lasts most of the month if I'm careful, and it's just like paying the bill early really
[04:11] <cyberanger> but I've deployed all my old tricks and then some, just to further keep it down
[04:11] <chris4585> yeah, I tell you though they don't know how much I appreciate the free token
[04:11] <cyberanger> one a month, right?
[04:12] <chris4585> yes, we don't get to choose when and it doesn't add up, I think it appears around the 15th or so
[04:13] <chris4585> right now I'm really curious as to why midori seems to run faster than chromium
[04:14] <chris4585> sometimes I take advantage of the fact if I know we have the free token, in a day thats about 900mbs worth of bandwidth
[04:14] <cyberanger> sounds right, on the token
[04:16] <cyberanger> if midori has a cache, uses it better, and is careful on any background networking tasks
[04:16] <cyberanger> prefetching,
[04:17] <chris4585> ah, well I certainly wish chrome would do the same
[04:25] <cyberanger> chris4585: midori doesn't say much , just guesses
[04:25] <cyberanger> logical possibilities
[04:26] <cyberanger> some of which I've got in between squid proxy and mozilla firefox (and an addon here and there) for the same effects
[04:30] <cyberanger> there were tricks in browsers and such, that people kinda removed, forgot about and such, useful in the dial up era, some are starting to crop back up for celluar connections
[04:30] <cyberanger> but not alot, and they'd excell for satellite too
[04:32] <chris4585> cyberanger, ah well thats interesting, so far its guessing pretty spot on
[04:33] <chris4585> on this one website at least, for some very odd reason it loaded facebook mobile I believe instead of standard facebook
[04:33] <chris4585> that was fine I guess, just not used to seeing that..
[04:33] <chris4585> I got what I needed and faster than chrome would have done for now
[04:34] <cyberanger> I've done alot of digging around, to find these tricks, loading a mobile site is one
[04:34] <cyberanger> usually that's a browser's user agent trick
[04:34] <cyberanger> and it's probally an obscure one
[04:34] <cyberanger> which would explain that
[04:36] <chris4585> well it worked
[04:37] <chris4585> at first though I thought I typed facebook.com wrong and thought it was a insecure trick or something
[04:37] <chris4585> lookalike website I mean
[04:40] <chris4585> I give it midori credit though while using these tricks and such it renders scripts rather nicely or on par with chromium
[04:44] <cyberanger> idk if that's it's intent
[04:45] <cyberanger> I mean, I don't see much contrasting it to chrome
[04:53] <cyberanger> it's nice reguardless
[04:53] <cyberanger> but idk if it's intentional
[06:49] <cyberanger> OH YES
[06:50] <cyberanger> man, my hometown hockey team is going to the playoffs again, means I might still be able to catch a game afterall
[13:57] <Xpistos> Guess who just got a big boy phone
[14:48] <wrst> Xpistos: what did you get?
[14:48] <Xpistos> MyTouch 4G from T-Mobile
[14:48] <Xpistos> wife got a Optimus-T and son got Samsung t669?
[14:49] <wrst> wow you guys stepped up into it didn't you... 4G!!
[14:49] <Xpistos> Well I did
[14:49] <Xpistos> I think hers is 3g?
[14:50] <Xpistos> My wife said this is what I really want and this way she will stop hearing me bitch all the time. Her words not mine.
[15:16] <wrst> ha ha
[15:16] <wrst> well congrats i love my phone
[15:25] <Xpistos> thank you
[15:26] <Xpistos> now how do I tell if I am getting 4g or not?
[15:26] <Xpistos> cause my connection icon says E above it
[15:46] <wrst> i have no clue Xpistos i'm on verizon, and it says 3G when i'm on 3G :)
[15:50] <Xpistos> ?
[15:52] <wrst> :)
[15:52] <wrst> ?
[15:52] <wrst> hey i think cyberanger is on T-Mobile
[18:09] <Xpistos1> What is the difference between XAMPP and WAMPP
[18:10] <wrst> Xpistos1:  all these hard questions today!
[18:38] <chris4585> wrst, http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/unity-to-get-overlay-scrollbars.html
[18:38] <chris4585> interesting news, I like it
[18:40] <wrst> chris4585: i tried gnome shell i must say i like unity much better
[18:41] <wrst> that is very interesting, i think i like that
[18:41] <wrst> makes a lot of sense
[18:41] <chris4585> wrst, I'm waiting until they're both in the final stages
[18:41] <chris4585> wrst, I agree completely I can't wait to see it in action
[18:41] <chris4585> Ubuntu seems to be making a whole lot more progress this release
[18:43] <wrst> yeah that looks very cool and freeing up screen realestate, but i worry about dual monitor applications with unity
[18:45] <chris4585> wrst, hrm yeah, I haven't really seen anything addressing dual monitors, that will be interesting
[18:48] <wrst> yeah i'm not for sure how i will like that
[19:26] <vychune> o/
[20:23] <cyberanger> Xpistos: EDGE, not 4G
[20:24] <cyberanger> who's your carrier, and phone
[20:24] <Xpistos> T-mobile and MyTouch 4G
[20:24] <cyberanger> oh, mytouch, right (not the one I'd grab personally)
[20:25] <Xpistos> it isn't bad
[20:25] <Xpistos> and it is my first smart phone so I wouldn't know any better
[20:26] <wrst> Xpistos: i got a starter phone also i couldn't handle all the power at once i don't beleieve, like cyberanger can handle the power :)
[20:26] <Xpistos> lol
[20:26] <Xpistos> there is a lot to lean
[20:27] <Xpistos> and learn
[20:27] <cyberanger> lol
[20:27] <Xpistos> damnable sausage like appendages of mine.
[20:27] <cyberanger> yeah, I did my homework
[20:28] <Xpistos> at least I will be ready when I get my gtablet or xoom
[20:28] <Xpistos> course it is more difficult to make calls on one of those
[20:28] <wrst> took me forever to get used to actually making a call :)
[20:29] <cyberanger> menu > settings > about phone > mobile network type
[20:29] <cyberanger> Xpistos: ^^
[20:30] <cyberanger> what do you see there
[20:30] <Xpistos> Son's of bitches it says Edge
[20:31] <cyberanger> wrst: you might want to also try that, lemme know
[20:31] <cyberanger> Xpistos: are you in nashville, or south
[20:31] <Xpistos> south
[20:31] <Xpistos> 38401 - Columbia
[20:31] <Xpistos> so if there was 4g then it would say 4g?
[20:31] <Xpistos> or 3G
[20:31] <Xpistos> etc
[20:31] <Xpistos> ?
[20:32] <wrst> i don't have that option cyberanger
[20:32] <cyberanger> neither, Evolved HSPA or HSPA+ (not sure which) is 4G
[20:32] <wrst> my phone tells me when i'm on 3G or not in the info bar
[20:32] <cyberanger> wrst: I was sorta thinking that, and it might not have any LTE hardware anyhow
[20:33] <Xpistos> right now mine says E
[20:33] <Xpistos> for edge
[20:33] <wrst> no it doesn't 4G will not happen on this phone
[20:33] <wrst> by the time it is available around here i will try to update phones
[20:33] <wrst> but i'm already about as fast as my connection at home
[20:34] <wrst> actually a little faster
[20:34] <cyberanger> Xpistos: HSPA is 3G, it might also say UTMS
[20:35] <Xpistos> I guess I need to see what happens in nashville on sunday
[20:35] <cyberanger> and considering your not even near Nashville, double my distance to chattanooga
[20:36] <cyberanger> I'm not suprised
[20:36] <cyberanger> that your 3G
[20:37] <Xpistos> it doesn't say either of those just E
[20:37] <cyberanger> well, actually, not even 3G (but I wouldn't call it 2.5G
[20:37] <Xpistos> and Edge
[20:37] <cyberanger> the E is EDGE
[20:38] <pace_t_zulu> natty alpha 3 is available
[20:38] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: its looking up
[20:38] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: yea, it's come a long way
[20:38] <wrst> i may download and reinstall
[20:38] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i like the new touches on the installer
[20:38] <pace_t_zulu> looking more polished every day
[20:38] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: right now its got gnome shell beat in my book but can't say i'm jumping for joy with either really
[20:39] <cyberanger> Xpistos: that menu, those terms, that'll clearly tell you
[20:40] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: already downloaded :-D
[20:40] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: me too
[20:40] <cyberanger> and ready with jigdo for the beta and final
[20:40] <pace_t_zulu> desktop and server... i386 and amd64
[20:40] <wrst> I am downloading now
[20:40] <Xpistos> Mobile Network Type = Edge
[20:40] <cyberanger> it's considered 2.5G
[20:41] <cyberanger> but it's better than the other 2.5G methods
[20:41] <cyberanger> the marketing term that would not be 3G.  I swear they do it to piss me off.
[22:03] <cyberanger> xpistos, just don't turn it into show and yell
[22:03] <Xpistos> my opinion of guns is they are for guys with lesser masculinity
[22:03] <cyberanger> not sure how that can piss someone off, well, maybe the gun control isle
[22:04] <vychune> o/
[22:04] <Xpistos> In any room in any normal house. I will put my knife against their gun any day.
[22:04] <cyberanger> ah, and i can see that
[22:04] <cyberanger> concealed carry though, isn't just for men
[22:05] <cyberanger> but women too
[22:05] <cyberanger> and for one person, has possibly saved her life
[22:06] <cyberanger> there's a reason i say last resort
[22:15] <vychune> what did i walk into?


[06:11] <Wild_Man> mIk3_08, Hello, getting off soon just wanted to say Hi.
[06:14] <mIk3_08> okay Wild_Man. just adding some summary to the Newsletter now. Have you check it? and guiverc commented on the docs for some changes I think.
[06:15] <mIk3_08> And I've change some of it already Wild_Man.
[06:16] <Wild_Man> mIk3_08, yes I saw it, I will look more tomorrow, krytarik is back he is the lead on the uwn so he is the one that does the editing usually
[06:16] <guiverc> i think Bashing-om has moved it to wiki, so the current version I thought is on wiki
[06:17] <guiverc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue560
[06:18] <mIk3_08> Thanks guiverc for some corrections.
[06:18] <Wild_Man> Hi guiverc, he did and he will make more adjustments tomorrow night he said, I would not edit the wiki, leave it to bashing-om until he is done with it and ready for it to be checked as not to confuse him
[06:19] <guiverc> mIk3_08, sorry if I'm too undiplomatic; I say what think (and rarely am tactful sorry)
[06:20] <mIk3_08> Okay Wild_Man copy. I'll be communicating krytarik If have some questions on it. By the way, Thanks a lot.
[06:20] <Wild_Man> mIk3_08, I would make the changes on gdoc then if needed it can be copied to the wiki after bashing-om is done, don't you think that is best for now guiverc ?
[06:21] <guiverc> yep sounds good - key is to let bashing-om know  - make a commment address to bashing-om and he should receive email of change (maybe)
[06:21] <Wild_Man> mIk3_08, Your Welcome!, bashing-om and guiverc are good people to ask as well but krytarik has final editorial say
[06:21] <Wild_Man> mIk3_08, he is really good at it
[06:22] <mIk3_08> Its okay guiverc. You're doing what is right so don't hesitate to correct if you see a bit to change in the docs.
[06:24] <Wild_Man> mIk3_08, it takes practice and I am rusty I am busy with real life and have been for several months, but that is all that needs said on it here
[06:24] <Wild_Man> I have more time now but still busy
[06:26] <Wild_Man> guiverc, I have access to the fridge if needed I can help with publishing there but I do have questions
[06:26] <guiverc> i'll happily answer anything I can
[06:29] <mIk3_08> Okay Wild_Man. I'll ask to them If i have some questions on it . guiverc, bashing-om (billy), and krytarik. guiverc, about fridge.. Is it Ubuntu fridge you mean?
[06:30] <guiverc> sorry Wild_Man , I missed you said fridge.  it's been updated (wordpress) so it looks different to the video; the "news & planet" tick boxes are just harder to find, but they are there
[06:30] <tsimonq2> .ir
[06:30] <tsimonq2> whoops
[06:30] <tsimonq2> hi
[06:30] <Wild_Man> Hi tsimonq2
[06:31] <guiverc> Howdy tsimonq2 :)
[06:31] <tsimonq2> How's it going, y'all?
[06:31] <Wild_Man> mIk3_08, yes
[06:31] <Wild_Man> Pretty good, getting late here
[06:31] <tsimonq2> Yeah, same :)
[06:31] <tsimonq2> (UTC-6 here)
[06:31] <mIk3_08> Happy New Year tsimonq2.
[06:32] <tsimonq2> Happy New Year, mIk3_08!
[06:32] <Wild_Man> tsimonq2, Debian update on there CoC is not really news worthy where the uwn is concerned is it?
[06:33] <tsimonq2> Wild_Man: Oof, uhm, knowing what I know as a DD, "yes", but got a link so I can read it over?
[06:33] <Wild_Man> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Debian-CoC-Planet-Rules
[06:34] <Wild_Man> guiverc, don't you usually have link issues?
[06:34] <tsimonq2> Yeah, I think maybe in the "In Other News" if you still have that.
[06:35] <guiverc> sometimes you do - usually no - it's fine (if the perl script runs)
[06:35] <Wild_Man> Okay, we do
[06:35] <Wild_Man> Thanks!
[06:35] <Wild_Man> The one that throws an error sometimes?
[06:37] <Wild_Man> guiverc, ^^^
[06:39] <Wild_Man> Good night all!
[06:40] <mIk3_08> Happy New Year, Wild_Man and  guiverc. God Bless
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[02:10] <sidi> Hi. I need an online bug tracker / ML for a UK-based scientific study, involving human participants. I need all the tools I use to be compliant with the EU's Data Protection Directive. I don't see anything in Launchpad's terms of use about the countries where user data is stored and users' right over their data. Is it correct that Launchpad complies with no data protection legislation?
[05:59] <cjwatson> sidi: https://help.launchpad.net/PrivacyPolicy has a fair bit about data retention etc.  Launchpad's servers are hosted in the UK.
[06:29] <sidi> cjwatson, I was on that page actually. It should contain a DPA compliance notice if Launchpad were compliant, so for me it's a bit of a matter of knowing whether Launchpad actively escapes EU law on data protection by establishing its HQ in the isle of man or if someone just didn't fill in the details properly on the policy
[06:29] <sidi> i guess i'l ltake it to the mailing list. thanks for posting that link though
[06:32] <cjwatson> sidi: As far as I know Canonical attempts to comply with the DPA; that sounds like an oversight although I wouldn't want to try to do anything about it at 6:30am :-)
[06:32] <sidi> cjwatson, haha yeah :-)
[06:33] <sidi> cjwatson, reading the policy, there isn't a mechanism that clearly describes how users can have all the data they created deleted, and that could quite possibly include blueprints and bug reports but are said to be undeletable, so i err on the side of non-compliance. not that i would lose sleep over this for what i do with launchpad but compliance is mandatory in research :-) anyway, good night!
[06:34] <cjwatson> Chapter and verse on the compliance notice thing from the legislation would be helpful.
[06:42] <cjwatson> We can hide blueprints and bugs if necessary, although AIUI data protection law would require us to have regard to other interests as well, which would be relevant given the intertwined nature of all this.
[06:50] <cjwatson> So I don't actually see anything in the DPA about compliance notices.
[06:52] <cjwatson> An actual reference would definitely be helpful there rather than me trying to be an armchair lawyer.
[10:10] <robfrawley> Can anyone give me some insight into why my build fails? https://launchpad.net/~scribeinc/+archive/ubuntu/nginx/+packages
[10:11] <robfrawley> FYI: I am 100% new to Launchpad, and very new to building custom packages in general (although this *does* compile locally on my machine)
[10:14] <cjwatson> robfrawley: Looks like a missing build-dependency of some kind.  The build is outputting messages in parallel which means that you have to look back a bit, but:
[10:14] <cjwatson> ./configure: error: module ngx_pagespeed requires the pagespeed optimization library.
[10:14] <cjwatson> Look in objs/autoconf.err for more details.
[10:14] <cjwatson> debian/rules:159: recipe for target 'config.arch.scribe' failed
[10:14] <cjwatson> robfrawley: Try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild for your local test builds, rather than just relying on debuild or whatever.  You need to be test-building in a clean environment.
[10:15] <robfrawley> ok, great - let me dig into that a bit - thanks!
[10:20] <robfrawley> @cjwatson: For clarification, the source package generated via "debuild -S -sd -k<my-key-id>" doesn't include source i've downloaded and inserted into the source package i'm basing this off of? (ie, i put the correct dependencies in /path/to/source/nginx-1.7.7/debian/modules/ngx_pagespeed-release-beta/)
[10:42] <cjwatson> robfrawley: Generally should but maybe you aren't pointing the build process at that properly ... you can inspect the generated .debian.tar.xz
[10:42] <cjwatson> (I haven't, need to go out)
[10:43] <robfrawley> No worries - thanks for the tips - just trying my first build using the SimpleSbuild setup info you provided
[10:43] <cjwatson> Cool
[10:58] <robfrawley> at what point/file do I set an enviornment variable for make in a debian source package?
[15:08] <cjwatson> robfrawley: I'd normally do it in debian/rules just on the line where it calls make (might be indirect via dh_auto_build or similar), or you can just export it at the top level of debian/rules if you don't mind it applying to the whole package build process.
[15:09] <robfrawley> @cjwatson: your help was great - https://launchpad.net/~scribeinc/+archive/ubuntu/nginx/+packages
[15:11] <robfrawley> shouted you out in the changelog: https://gitlab.scribe.systems/scribe/nginx-build/commit/f7c3504cdc3e263ef8d82a67b723ef5ecfd700f9#6ea32efdafa5bab71a5346b772e1b04aa0e56a2e_1_1
[15:11] <robfrawley> thanks!
[15:27] <cjwatson> robfrawley: ok, happy to help
[15:29] <teward> ... just reading this made me forget - i forgot to upload 1.7.8 to the NGINX PPAs... ooopsies
[16:33] <robfrawley> @tweard: ooh, new mainline for me to grab soon then!
[16:35] <robfrawley> @tweard: I'm stuck on bzr - it's been throwing me for a loop - is there an equivalent method to adding the mainline (development) nginx ppa and performing an "apt-get source nginx" that I can perform simply using bzr from the ppa?
[16:35] <teward> robfrawley: nope - there's no bzr repo
[16:35] <teward> robfrawley: i actually pull from Debian directly as the base
[16:36] <teward> then unzip the latest tarball and update modules where needed to fix FTBFS
[16:36] <teward> robfrawley: but that requires git, not bzr.
[16:37] <teward> (if you pull from Debian git directly0
[16:37] <teward> robfrawley: i only use bzr when working with merges from Debian to develrelease
[16:37] <teward> and even then i only use that for ease-of-merging and then end up making a debdiff like old-fashioned little me
[16:37] <robfrawley> yeah, i noticed that (re: the debian base)
[16:38] <teward> robfrawley: it's also more effective to actually highlight my name, teward, not tweard :)
[16:38] <robfrawley> what sort of FTBFS's come up? small or many?
[16:38] <robfrawley> ah, yeah - i'll get the spelling right one of these days
[16:38] <teward> robfrawley: not taken a look at your packages, but the third-party modules, some of them hate the API changes in 1.7.x
[16:40] <robfrawley> Ah, okay - I noticed that (my first attempt involved Nginx direct from the source, and some of them were giving me lots of issues)
[16:40] <robfrawley> I'll stick with building off your solid work for now ;-)
[16:44] <teward> robfrawley: might be until later or tomorrow - i;ve had a hell of a week
[16:45] <robfrawley> no worries there, i'm still working toward a solid foundation using SimpleSbuild and PPAs in general. No rush from me.
[16:49] <teward> robfrawley: i use Sbuild now to test build everything - but i ultimately publish to the PPAs in a staging place because sometimes they're weirdly different
[16:51] <robfrawley> Can you elaborate on "staging place" - is that just another PPA you setup for the sole purpose of running the build against Launchpad's buiders prior to pushing to your main repo?
[16:52] <teward> yep, then i just copy the binaries over
[16:52] <teward> brunch time
[16:52] <teward> :)
[16:52] <robfrawley> good to know


[05:20] <MAFoElffen> Someone at launchpad recommended I file a bug report o two Ubuntu Doc's (web pages)... What do I file it against?


[00:55] <holstein> Nytram: you can run what DE you like with the ubuntustudio tools
[00:55] <holstein> Nytram: ideally, you would do this.. install the base OS you want, kubuntu for example, then just add the applications you want to use
[00:56] <Fezzler> Hi holstein
[00:56] <holstein> Fezzler: o/
[00:57] <Fezzler> FYI.  Working with The Guitar Workshop now
[00:57] <holstein> cool
[00:57] <Fezzler> Not trying to bug ya, but I recalled you knew some of those gents
[00:57] <Fezzler> Good shop
[00:58] <Fezzler> Kevin Gill is my instructor
[00:58] <holstein> dont think i know kevin
[00:58] <Fezzler> Mrs. and daughter were in your neck of woods at Orange Peel to see a show
[00:59] <holstein> havent been there in years
[01:00] <holstein> must've been 12 years ago i played there last
[01:00] <Fezzler> The Guitar Workshop is really making me learn technical aspects from bottom up.  Physical positioning; reading notation; timing timing timing
[01:00] <holstein> groove is important
[01:00] <Fezzler> little one looking at UNC Ashville
[01:00] <holstein> its a nice school, i think
[01:01] <Fezzler> Well, it was a beautiful day when they visited campus so you know how pretty that area is on a nice day
[01:02] <Fezzler> Well, good to see you again.  Any new gear or computer buildings going on for you?  Software?
[01:03] <holstein> nah.. im taking a carpentry class and building a house and some other things
[01:03] <Fezzler> If we don't connect, happy holidays
[01:03] <holstein> http://isitamarimba.blogspot.com/ for example
[01:04] <Fezzler> no way!
[01:04] <Fezzler> you building that?
[01:04] <holstein> yup.. i should have it playable withouth the resonators soon
[01:05] <holstein> i only have 4 more classes this semester, but, i should have time
[01:05] <Fezzler> VERY cool
[01:05] <holstein> might have to do the resonators on my own over the holidatys
[01:05] <holstein> holidays*
[01:05] <Fezzler> would like to hear a clip when you are done
[01:05] <holstein> not that im in a hurry about it
[01:05] <holstein> Fezzler: i'll get something recorded soon
[01:06] <Fezzler> oh yea, that looks beautiful - take your time
[01:06] <holstein> Fezzler: thanks.. i looking forward to playing it
[01:06] <holstein> i can plunk around on it a bit like that, and its nice
[01:07] <Fezzler> precision to get the tuning?
[01:08] <Fezzler> 5 octave?
[01:09] <holstein> i might have to tweak the tuning a bit more, but im not being crazy about the temperment or anything
[01:09] <holstein> 4 and 1/3
[01:09] <holstein> low A to a high C
[01:10] <Fezzler> what material is the pipe?
[01:11] <Fezzler> aluminum?  plastic?
[01:12] <holstein> the resonators?
[01:12] <holstein> i'll just use cardboard
[01:12] <holstein> lighter, and works fine
[01:12] <Fezzler> keys double tuned?
[01:12] <holstein> what do you mean "double tuned"?
[01:13] <holstein> i rough tuned them, and then gave them a touch up the other day
[01:13] <holstein> but, i just put finish on the bottoms of the bars, so that could effect them
[01:13] <holstein> and i had one that sounded odd with its overtone, so i might tweak it a bit
[01:13] <holstein> other than that, the overtones seem nice
[01:14] <Fezzler> I guess if your dampen with one stick, you can get another octave higher on the same key
[01:14] <holstein> maybe
[01:14] <holstein> its not really that live though.. its short sounding
[01:14] <Fezzler> I have no idea, just watched a YT clip of some guy making one.  Very cool
[01:14] <holstein> might get away with that on a vibraphone
[01:15] <Fezzler> anyway, very cool
[01:15] <holstein> im excited about it
[01:15] <Fezzler> yes
[01:15] <Fezzler> you should be.  And the pride on knowing you made it!
[01:16] <Fezzler> I wonder if you already have your next one in mind!
[01:16] <holstein> i dont think i'll do another
[01:16] <holstein> we'll see
[01:16] <Fezzler> tweaks and improvements for the next build
[01:16] <Fezzler> lol
[01:17] <Fezzler> well, see ya.  need to walk off some of this holiday weigh gain!  bye
[01:18] <holstein> Fezzler: o/
[04:14] <cfhowlett> Quick query: I downloaded the official ubuntustudio assets from design.canoncical.com.  ubuntustudio was formed and crafted as a single word: ubuntustudio.  It seems to be TWO words again on the US website.  Clarification?  Which version is correct?
[04:16] <fibz_> i dont know. but for better human -> machine relationship, it should be 2
[04:24] <cfhowlett> fibz_, thanks.  I'll email the list for the final verdict
[04:27]  * Beldar thinks it should be ubuntu stu stu studio
[04:30] <fibz_> yeah that is a common "first glipse" reaction i notice.
[04:32] <cfhowlett> fibz_, it seems we've gone back and forth.  on IRC it's one word, but the official art seems to double down.
[04:34] <fibz_> i'd side with the artwork. thats what is most recognizable.
[04:43] <cfhowlett> fibz_, agreed.  and the artwork DID come from canonical, so ...
[05:05] <Patero-ng> cfhowlett you wanna hear something
[06:00] <zequence> cfhowlett: packages are generally names ubuntustudio-, whilst the actual name is Ubuntu Studio
[06:00] <zequence> named*
[06:00] <cfhowlett> zequence, got it.  just a bit thickheaded today.
[06:01] <zequence> happens a lot, to me in particular
[06:01] <cfhowlett> zequence, that said, I'll advise the start.ubuntu team that their US logo is unofficial and unapproved.
[06:13] <Fezzler> Confused by guitar lesson homework.  Set metronome to 100bpm but play quarter notes at 50bpm?
[06:42] <zequence> cfhowlett: You mean this one? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=wall_ubuntustudio.png
[06:43] <fibz_> reminds me of debian
[06:43] <zequence> Yes, it's not one we use. But, we haven't really determined a logo for future use. This will be settled for the release of 14.04
[06:50] <cfhowlett> zequence, so the official logos from design.canonical are ... under review?
[06:52] <zequence> cfhowlett: Could you point me to those? I wasn't able to find any..
[06:52] <zequence> hmm
[07:02] <Patero-ng> should I bite my tongue until blood soaks my shirt
[07:22] <Beldar> Patero-ng, please seek the appropriate mental help you obviously need.
[07:25] <cfhowlett> "new" ubuntu studio artwork loaded at   http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/ubuntu-studio-creative-journey-poster
[07:29] <fibz_> ooo
[07:43] <Patero-ng> Beldar jaja you are so right
[08:14] <xtaxx> Hello people.I cannot start jack. Ĩ get this message: Tue Dec  3 08:13:45 2013: Starting jack server...
[08:14] <xtaxx> Tue Dec  3 08:13:45 2013: JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10
[08:14] <xtaxx> Tue Dec  3 08:13:45 2013: ERROR: cannot register object path "/org/freedesktop/ReserveDevice1/Audio0": A handler is already registered for /org/freedesktop/ReserveDevice1/Audio0
[08:14] <xtaxx> Tue Dec  3 08:13:45 2013: ERROR: Failed to acquire device name : Audio0 error : A handler is already registered for /org/freedesktop/ReserveDevice1/Audio0
[08:14] <xtaxx> Tue Dec  3 08:13:45 2013: ERROR: Audio device hw:0 cannot be acquired...
[08:14] <xtaxx> Tue Dec  3 08:13:45 2013: ERROR: Cannot initialize driver
[08:14] <xtaxx> Tue Dec  3 08:13:45 2013: ERROR: JackServer::Open failed with -1
[08:14] <xtaxx> Tue Dec  3 08:13:46 2013: ERROR: Failed to open server any help please?
[08:28] <xtaxx> back
[08:38] <Beldar> xtaxx, use a pastebin
[08:38] <xtaxx> dunno what that is
[08:54] <xtaxx> #Beldar
[09:14] <Beldar> !pastebin | xtaxx
[09:14] <Beldar> !tab | xtaxx
[09:14] <Beldar> xtaxx, That should help. ;)
[09:15] <xtaxx> ok
[09:15] <xtaxx> anything on the problem?
[09:19] <Beldar> xtaxx, Not personally never used jack. there is the #ubuntu channel as well generally busier, but slower at night US time.
[09:22] <fibz_> try #opensourcemusicians or #jack
[10:35] <Nytram> Hi, anyone here not afk?
[14:34] <fcuevas> hi guys!, the xfce4-volumed starts in your pcs?
[18:22] <selektamalza> bonjour, je voudrais savoir l'état de l'avancement de l'installation ?
[18:22] <selektamalza> j'installe ubuntu 13.10 et je n'ai pas de barre d'avancement
[22:15] <robin_> hi
[23:28] <Guest58601> Good night. I upgrade my ubuntu studio and now I lose some permissions. I can't open any usb drive and I can't open some folders
[23:29] <Guest58601> If I open nautilus with sudo, I can access my usb drive but I can't copy files
[23:30] <Guest58601> I think upgrade mess up my permissions. How can I restore them?
[23:55] <fibz_> sudo chown nobody.nogroup /path/to/folder -Rv


[11:25] <cpaelzer> @pilot in
[12:12] <ahasenack> Hello, I'm on +1 maintenance this week
[13:31] <teward> mapreri: i mean i dont care if its rescheduled as long as i update my calendar.  any day works fine unless it conflicts with DMB meetings or such
[13:31] <teward> cc ddstreet
[13:39] <teward> is someone on Foundations around?  Got an inquiry for them.
[14:16] <rbasak> !ask | teward
[14:16] <rbasak> :-P
[14:16] <teward> *slaps rbasak upside the head*
[14:16] <teward> rbasak: see -release if you want a better question to answer :P
[14:19] <enr0n> teward: I'm from foundations
[14:19] <teward> oh yes you are
[14:48] <cpaelzer> @pilot out
[14:57] <dbungert> ahasenack: :wave: I'm also doing +1 this week.  Anything in particular you're looking at so far and should we coordinate or shall I pick a different topic?
[14:58] <ahasenack> dbungert: I ran find-proposed-cluster, saw nginx and ocaml and a few others
[14:58] <ahasenack> was devating whether to start with nginx or ocaml
[14:58] <ahasenack> debating*
[14:59] <ahasenack> I'll start with nginx
[15:03] <teward> *was pinged by nginx mention*
[15:04] <ahasenack> not intentionally :)
[15:17] <dbungert> right, I'll dig into ocaml
[17:42] <jbicha> liushuyu[m]: What version of rustc do you expect Ubuntu 23.10 to ship with? There is a library I'm interested in that wants rustc 1.70
[19:01] <seb128> !dmb-ping
[19:02] <utkarsh2102> uh oh
[22:47] <ItzSwirlz> repost from -desktop:  Not sure if here or -release is the correct place but for a cinnamon build: brz: ERROR: Invalid http response for https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntucinnamon-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform.mantic/info/refs?service=git-upload-pack: Unable to handle http code 401: Unauthorized
[22:47] <ItzSwirlz> its been a while, where is platform.mantic supposed to be stored? isn't it from the main ubuntu-seeds repo
[22:51] <jbicha> "brz" is breezy (bazaar) not git
[23:15] <ItzSwirlz> so whats the issue then? :thinking:
[23:25] <bdmurray> ItzSwirlz: What exactly are you trying to do?
[23:26] <liushuyu[m]> jbicha: the current plan for rustc is to get Rust 1.71 into 23.10
[23:27] <bdmurray> ItzSwirlz: Also what jbicha said is true


[11:15] <invariant> How do I send an e-mail to "The Canonical Team"?
[11:15] <invariant> I want them to stop spamming me.
[11:38] <deavelleye> hey guys, i was wondering if you could help me. I just upgraded to Kubuntu 13.0 and since the upgrade i've had a constant issue with my microphone. => Crackling/Distorsed sound that i cannot seem to make it go away. any clues or ideas on what it might be? My guess would be pulseaudio, but what exactly? the codec? I've made some research on the issue, but nothing on kub 13.0 or 12.0
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hi alj
[13:50] <coz_> hey guys, hey guys, 12.04 and previous I was able to use  this command   ` python -c "import gtk; gtk.recent_manager_get_default().purge_items()"` to clear recent documen ts. it no longer works on 12.10, or 13.04..anyone have a differnt command for this?
[15:53] <BluesKaj> , time to push some snow ...BBL
[16:35] <teleyinex> Hi there
[16:35] <teleyinex> I'm hesitating about installing 13.04 for daily use (basically coding and browsing the web)
[16:35] <teleyinex> how safe is 13.04 :-)
[16:36] <teleyinex> we are close to the freezing date
[16:36] <teleyinex> so I was thinking in giving it a try
[16:36] <teleyinex> :D
[16:37] <alankila> teleyinex: you know there's no way to answer that question in any meaningful way. I've been using it on a NAS-like system to try out btrfs for past month or so, and it has worked for that usage. Also one lightly used virtualbox install.
[16:38] <teleyinex> well that's good to know
[16:38] <teleyinex> hehe
[16:38] <teleyinex> and you are right, my question is dumb but I wanted to get a feeling from you
[16:38] <teleyinex> my problem is that with my current setup on 12.04 compiz makes my system really slow
[16:38] <teleyinex> refresh the browser is usually a pain
[16:39] <alankila> perhaps you should consider 12.10 before 13.04
[16:39] <teleyinex> I've tried everything, but I think I'm stuck with the compiz version and some issues with nvidia
[16:39] <alankila> unless you have some specific reason to believe changes in 13.04 fixes it
[16:39] <teleyinex> alankila, you are right
[16:39] <teleyinex> I'm going to chose the safe way
[16:39] <teleyinex> thanks!
[19:30] <BluesKaj> ..BBL
[19:51] <myk_robinson> afternoon
[19:51] <penguin42> hi
[19:52] <myk_robinson> Running 13.04, curious if others are having the same "issue". Very minor, but the wallpaper on the login does not change like it did previously to match the user selected wallpaper. Any quick fix for this? Or has it been broken since the start? Just installed today
[19:53] <genii-around> I think I may have found a bug with Kubuntu but would like if someone else could test this, with the cube... Having firefox open, ctrl-f11 to get to the cube... then after moving it with the mouse or keys, return to the original screen. For me, firefox locks up every time... but I'd to see if it's only me or not
[19:54] <penguin42> genii-around: Let me just try
[19:54] <penguin42> hmm, ctrl-f11 doesn't do the cube for me
[19:55] <genii-around> penguin42: Ah, OK. You probably don't have it set in your System Settings...Desktop Effects   then
[19:56] <penguin42> no, don't have cube enabled - hang on, I'll switch it on
[19:57] <penguin42> genii-around: So I've just done that, firefox is fine here
[19:57] <penguin42> genii-around: Having said that, I did have flash lock up an hour or so ago greying the whole of ff until I killed the plugin container
[19:58] <penguin42> genii-around: Actually, there is another weirdness; when I hit apply on desktop effects to turn on/off the cube the firefox window (but only the firefox window) redraws
[20:01] <genii-around> Hm.
[21:59] <smallfoot-> Partner repository is unavailable for betas?
[21:59] <smallfoot-> Because I can't find Steam on 13.04 Raring Ringtail
[22:06] <ironhalik> Hmm, my install stopped booting, and the latest daily ISO won't boot either - invalid kernel image, filesystem
[22:07] <ironhalik> is there an image for amd64 alpha2?
[22:07] <smallfoot-> i use 12.10 (amd64) upgraded to 13.04
[22:07] <ironhalik> I did the same, except now it stopped working
[22:08] <smallfoot-> still works for me, tho i havent restarted today :p
[22:08] <ironhalik> ;>
[22:08] <smallfoot-> you might be able boot from live cd, then mount the fs, then run apt-get update
[22:09] <ironhalik> well yeah, except todays daily ISOs won't boot for me
[22:10] <smallfoot-> :(
[22:11] <ironhalik> Ill try yesterdays one
[22:13] <SBNexus7> Hello I have a quick question about daily-preinstalled builds
[22:14] <SBNexus7> Was interested to see if there is any other previous builds as the current ones seem to be bad :/
[22:14] <ikonia> they will break
[22:14] <ikonia> it's a development version, so things will work/break/work/break/work/work/work/break/really work
[22:14] <SBNexus7> I expect that and understand that.  My question asked if there are any past previous builds that at least booted.
[22:15] <SBNexus7> 14 and 15 don't work they boot to a black screen after the ubuntu splash.
[22:15] <ikonia> SBNexus7: the daily builds get over written
[22:15] <ikonia> that's the point of "daily"
[22:15] <ikonia> there maybe people storing archivers elsewhere
[22:15] <SBNexus7> That's what I was interested to see if anyone has the past build files that they wouldn't mind sharing.
[22:16] <SBNexus7> I would even be willing to try the 12.10 builds if they exist
[22:18] <SBNexus7> Google might have helped me
[22:18] <SBNexus7> I am looking for past dates haha
[22:27] <SBNexus7> Testing the February 13 build
[23:38] <IdleOne> I'm very impressed with the stability of kubuntu+1
[23:58] <ironhalik> anyone noticed mouse cursor skipping on synaptics touchpad?
[23:58] <ironhalik> lately?


[01:03] <gus-tavo> hi, i need help
[01:06] <gus-tavo> exit
[01:06] <gus-tavo> quit
[14:14] <PriceChild> !ops
[14:25] <PricceChild> !ops
[18:11] <godbyk> Hey, thorwil. Are you around?
[18:12] <thorwil> godbyk: seems so :)
[18:13] <godbyk> thorwil: Cool. Question for you.  top bar, Top bar, Top Bar.  Choose one. :)
[18:13] <godbyk> We're capitalizing Launcher and Dash.
[18:14] <godbyk> (Also, I think "top bar" sounds kinds of silly, but it seems to be what everyone calls it.)
[18:15] <thorwil> hmm. it's such a generic term, that implying it's a specific name seems problematic
[18:15] <thorwil> then again, it does belong to the trio, with Dash and Launcher
[18:16] <godbyk> Yeah, such is the quandary. Hence my appeal to you. :-)
[18:17] <thorwil> godbyk: if we can treat it more as a description, not as a Name, it must be "top bar"
[18:17] <godbyk> The Ubuntu wiki and even the official docs aren't terribly helpful because they're inconsistent in the capitalization of these terms.
[18:18] <godbyk> Here are some usage examples from the manual (with their current, inconsistent formatting and spelling):
[18:18] <godbyk> On the top bar, select \menu{File\then New Window}.
[18:18] <godbyk> Ubuntu 12.04 comes with an indicator menu in the top bar for sound-related applications and devices.
[18:18]  * thorwil wonders how and why the concept of capitalization developed, given that it has no equal in speech
[18:19] <godbyk> If a windows is maximized, its top-left buttons and menu are automatically hidden from view. To make them appear, just move your mouse to the left side of the \menu{Top Bar}.
[18:19]  * godbyk wonders when you Germans will stop capitalizing every Noun in the Sentence.
[18:20] <thorwil> godbyk: if a case arrives where "top bar" refers to any other bar ...
[18:20] <godbyk> In earlier times (in English, at least), they tended to capitalize any words they thought were Important.
[18:20] <thorwil> godbyk: do you know the german example in facor of capitalization. "helft den armen vögeln?"
[18:23] <thorwil> if we capitalize *the* "Top Bar", it helps with distinction if there is any other top bar
[18:23] <godbyk> thorwil: Heh! A fair point. :)
[18:23] <godbyk> True.
[18:23] <godbyk> Looking at the results of grep -i top.bar */*.tex, it appears that it always refers to *the* top bar.
[18:24] <godbyk> (Though the grammar surround the term varies slightly. More nitpicky details for me to consider, I suppose.)
[18:24] <godbyk> There's also a margin note that states: \emph{Top Bar} is also referred as \emph{Top Panel}.
[18:25] <godbyk> And "top panel" is used in a few other places in the manual (always lowercase, incidentally).
[18:25] <thorwil> godbyk: btw, that german sentence can be read as either "help the poor birds" or "help the poor to (uhm ...) screw". capitalization can make it unambiguous.
[18:27] <godbyk> thorwil: A quick Google search revealed that.
[18:28] <thorwil> godbyk: it was funny when i brought that example up, when my flatmate from china questioned the need for capitalization. only after opening my mouth, i realized that i would no have to explain that bit of slang ...
[18:28] <thorwil> luckily the reaction of a 3rd person an my slight unease was all the hinting required
[18:28] <godbyk> heh
[18:28] <thorwil> godbyk: cool. i would have assumed all useful explanations to be in german ...
[18:29] <godbyk> The non-best answer here <http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111004160153AAhRbLz> helped.
[18:29] <godbyk> Interestingly, the best answer was useless.
[18:30] <thorwil> 0.o
[18:30] <godbyk> Google Translate apparently doesn't take the difference in capitalization into account, btw. It translates both phrases the same.
[18:30] <thorwil> yahoo answers, frequent example of how things should not work out
[18:30] <godbyk> Agreed.


[14:31] <doko> cpaelzer, ddstreet, jamespage, didrocks: MIR team meeting
[14:31] <sarnold> good morning
[14:34] <doko> so, looks like last week :-/
[14:34] <ddstreet> o/
[14:36] <doko> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
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[14:36] <doko> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:37] <doko> we didn't have the meeting at all last week, so skipping
[14:37] <doko> #topic current component mismatches
[14:37] <doko> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[14:37] <doko> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[14:38]  * sarnold gives his customary weekly ack to cpaelzer about backuppc
[14:38] <doko> sarnold, status of backupppc related security reviews?
[14:38] <sarnold> I don't remember seeing the libayatana-appindacator thing
[14:38] <sarnold> doko: not yet started
[14:39] <doko> ayatana looks incomplete, 2/3 packages done. maybe ping didrocks?
[14:39] <doko> jamespage, can you review the cherrypy related ones, or should we split these?
[14:40] <doko> mesa is still pending. I email didrocks two weeks ago. no reply yet
[14:41] <cpaelzer> I'm around - sorry
[14:41] <doko> ipmitool is oldish, but shows up in mismatches ... waiting on cpaelzer for that
[14:41] <cpaelzer> thanks for backuppc @sarnold
[14:42] <cpaelzer> IIRC ipmitool is from MAAS for MAAS
[14:42] <cpaelzer> and no one ever cared about it
[14:42] <cpaelzer> [Reverse-Depends: Ubuntu.Impish supported-maas seed]
[14:42] <cpaelzer> yes
[14:42] <doko> jamespage, fence-agents has been in main before. is it supposed to re-enter?
[14:42] <cpaelzer> fence-agents comes from us I guess doko
[14:42] <cpaelzer> as part of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fence-agents/+bug/1927004
[14:42] <sarnold> yeah, we've had a discussion on the bug about the right names to use for the binary package that'll have agents we want to support
[14:42] <cpaelzer> waiting for security atm
[14:43] <doko> if we don't care about ipmitool, then maybe it should be seeded in the community-maas seed
[14:43] <doko> who can confirm this?
[14:44] <cpaelzer> Adam I guess
[14:45] <cpaelzer> Collard
[14:45] <cpaelzer> I hope that wasn't misspelled ...
[14:45] <doko> I'll chase this with xnox
[14:45] <doko> I think he set these seeds initially
[14:46] <cpaelzer> freeipmi is in main, ipmitool and openimpi are not
[14:46] <cpaelzer> unfortunately HW manaufacturers seem to be unable to settle on one
[14:46] <sarnold> heh I didn't realize we had three of the things
[14:46] <cpaelzer> we might end up taking it in in additon to the one we have, but these changes
[14:47] <cpaelzer> seed changes I mean
[14:47] <cpaelzer> that it is worth to start with a clarification
[14:48] <sarnold> hmm, openimpi also looks to be in main
[14:48] <cpaelzer> sarnold: oh your are right, agreed
[14:49] <cpaelzer> so maybe we really have to take the third one in to make it a charm :-)
[14:49] <sarnold> hah
[14:49] <sarnold> or is it 'operator' now..
[14:49] <cpaelzer> other than the expected fight of who will own this I see no problem
[14:49] <cpaelzer> and starting with xnox to calrify the intend doesn't sound like a bad start
[14:50] <cpaelzer> thanks doko for offering to chase this down
[14:52] <doko> I don't want to create actions for people not being present ... didn't work well last time
[14:52] <cpaelzer> hehe
[14:52] <cpaelzer> FYI I have reviewed prips which came in yesterday
[14:53] <cpaelzer> and I have updated the status on a few to get them moving forward
[14:53] <cpaelzer> but nothing that would be a new team todo
[14:53] <doko> #topic New MIRs
[14:53] <cpaelzer> shall we look at th ebug lists now?
[14:53] <doko> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:54] <cpaelzer> That scary list is actually two
[14:54] <cpaelzer> let us start with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libftdi1/+bug/1912371
[14:54] <sarnold> oh hey and one of them is even good news :)
[14:54] <cpaelzer> doko: in the update between commend 8 and 9
[14:55] <cpaelzer> doko: did you have a look and acked it assinging it to security?
[14:55] <cpaelzer> that wasn't clear to me looking at the bug this morning
[14:55] <cpaelzer> if you have, then this is ready to go
[14:55] <cpaelzer> if it was a mistake then we need to assign someoen for a MIR review
[14:56] <cpaelzer> essentially William self-reviewed in commen 8 :-)
[14:56] <sarnold> what's the libftdi and libftdi1 change amurray made in comment 16?
[14:56] <cpaelzer> so your update could be seen as sign-off and Ack on that
[14:56] <doko> ok, I'll chase this down as well, probably just needs a seed
[14:56] <cpaelzer> sarnold: If I read correctly there is a debdiff that shall be applöied before promotion
[14:57] <doko> yep, the symbols file should be fixed
[14:58] <doko> I'll chase this down
[14:58] <cpaelzer> thanks
[14:58] <cpaelzer> let us go to the bigger chunks of work now https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jaraco.classes/+bug/1930111
[14:58] <cpaelzer> 8 potentially easy python lib review tasks to assign
[14:58] <doko> yep, already asked before. should we split this, or load it on jamespage? ;)
[14:59] <cpaelzer> but the question upfront, who will own this?
[14:59] <cpaelzer> Is that from openstack?
[14:59] <doko> yes, openstack
[14:59] <cpaelzer> I'd say we assign him and he can call out to us if needed
[15:00] <cpaelzer> as he knows how this works even if he has no time to do it himself
[15:00] <cpaelzer> python3-cherrypy3                                         | cherrypy3                              | ceph-mgr                                          | Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>    |          228656 |            1181
[15:00] <cpaelzer> from germinate so yes indeed from openstack
[15:01] <cpaelzer> I've added an update and assigned jamespage to one of them
[15:01] <cpaelzer> now it shoudl be clear
[15:01] <cpaelzer> is that ok for everyone atm?
[15:02] <sarnold> I'm slightly skeptical the world needs yet another "high performance python webserver", it feels like one of the other existing webservers ought to work..
[15:02] <sarnold> but perhaps that's not one to solve at this meeting
[15:03] <cpaelzer> I agree
[15:03] <cpaelzer> to both
[15:07] <cpaelzer> ok
[15:07] <cpaelzer> next ...
[15:07] <doko> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:07] <doko> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:08] <sarnold> hmm, "new cherrypy3 18.6.0-1 release" .. we've got 8.9.1-8 packaged now.. this might be a big jump, heh
[15:08] <cpaelzer> or just a rename
[15:08] <cpaelzer> versions are smoke and mirrors
[15:08] <cpaelzer> I guess there is only https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ledmon/+bug/1794219 in this list to talk about
[15:09] <cpaelzer> doko: this one seems that sil2100 decided to help sorting that out
[15:09] <cpaelzer> doko: does tha answer we got from rex tsai satisfy that for foundations to go on?
[15:10] <doko> ok, I'll take this
[15:11] <cpaelzer> thanks ++
[15:11] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[15:11] <cpaelzer> not from me
[15:12] <sarnold> none from me
[15:12] <doko> ok, finished!
[15:12] <doko> #endmeeting
[15:12] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:12:14 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-06-01-14.36.moin.txt
[15:12] <sarnold> thanks doko, all :)
[17:12] <xnox> doko:  cpaelzer: so the community-maas seed thing, i failed to make the reports exclude particular seeds.
[17:12] <xnox> my first two attempts failed to make that work. Ideally,  --exclude of it from missmatches reports should suffice.
[19:00] <rbasak> o/
[19:01] <rbasak> mdeslaur, vorlon: here?
[19:01] <mdeslaur> o/
[19:01] <rbasak> I don't see sil2100 or cyphermox in this channel.
[19:10] <mdeslaur> rbasak: well, better luck next time I guess
[19:11]  * mdeslaur -> away


[22:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> Hii! I am a new lubuntu-member and I would like to request an ubuntu cloak. Here's a link to my launchapd profile: https://launchpad.net/~theloudspeaker
[22:38] <dax> el or Unit193: ^, reminder i need to be told what cloak and that _ isn't a valid cloak char
[22:38] <dax> The_LoudSpeaker: one sec, just poked a couple of people to look at it :)
[22:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> dax: Thanks! I will be here.
[23:00] <The_LoudSpeaker> dax: Can I come back later? It's 4.30 am according to my time.
[23:00] <dax> The_LoudSpeaker: that's fine, you don't need to be online for it. if i end up finding one of them i'll memoserv you to let you know it's done
[23:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> Thanks!
[23:02] <el> hi i just got to keyboard
[23:02] <dax> oh nice
[23:02] <dax> hi
[23:02] <el> i forget what our policy is for nicks that need replacement chars.
[23:02] <dax> i note that their LPID is the same as their accountname but without the _ so maybe go with that
[23:02] <el> The_LoudSpeaker: can you group either theloudspeaker or the-loudspeaker to your account so we can use one of those. neither is reg'd.
[23:03] <The_LoudSpeaker> I will group theloudspeaker
[23:03] <dax> ( /nick theloudspeaker, then /msg nickserv group)
[23:03] <The_LoudSpeaker> just a sec
[23:03] <el> ok, dax ubuntu/member/theloudspeaker plz.
[23:04] <theloudspeaker> el: done!
[23:04] <dax> el, theloudspeaker: and done :)
[23:04] <theloudspeaker> Thanks!
[23:05] <el> and added to lp group