[07:11] <sethk> ashik, I realize X isn't running for you on that box, but perhaps you can sftp the log file to another box, or whatever?
[07:11] <sam_> Thanks MATE.
[07:11] <sethk> ashik, wait, it is running
[07:12] <sethk> ashik, wrong resolution, but running.  so you can paste
[07:12] <sam_> Ubuntu is the best thing since sliced bread.
[07:12] <Iceman241> been a complete waste of time today.
[07:12] <sam_> It rawks my wifes undies off.
[07:12] <Iceman241> why cant i get the nvidia driver to freaking work
[07:12] <ashik> sethk: how to paste and where to paste?
[07:12] <eyequeue> !paste
[07:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:12] <sethk> ashik,   !paste
[07:13] <Chandu> eyequeue:from where can I get crystalball package ..it is not in the reporitory
[07:13] <spatry> Hi.   How do we switch from text to graphical grub bootup?
[07:13] <eyequeue> Chandu, that was humour, not literal
[07:13] <sam_> I'm thinking about deleting Windows, are there many commercial games for linux/ubuntu?
[07:13] <sethk> ashik, just edit the file with a gui editor, and copy and paste to the web browser pointed at that url.  it's easy
[07:13] <sethk> ashik, if you aren't familiar with any of the editors, use gedit
[07:13] <noobie0057> can each desktop in gnome have a different CPU ?
[07:13] <eyequeue> Chandu, you can't know how long something will be in advance
[07:14] <sethk> ashik, it does what you would expect it to do.
[07:14] <sethk> noobie0057, no
[07:14] <noobie0057> thanks
[07:14] <sethk> noobie0057, well, not without patching the kernel, which I've done but is not trivial
[07:14] <sam_> Windows will die.
[07:14] <sethk> noobie0057, so effectively, no.
[07:14] <sethk> sam_, don't bet the house on it.
[07:14] <noobie0057> sethk,, is there a project that you know of to do this?
[07:15] <Chandu> eyequeue:ok
[07:15] <sam_> Linux is free.....it should be way more popular and it's not that hard to use.
[07:15] <sethk> noobie0057, no, I've done it at work.  I haven't found a project.  want to start one?
[07:15] <ashik> sethk: i can't open it by gedit.
[07:15] <Flannel> ashik: why not?
[07:15] <sethk> ashik, what happens?
[07:15] <noobie0057> sethk, sounds pretty good, if I could just share a hard drive and a monitor, copy and paste...
[07:16] <Madpilot> sam_, there are some commercial games w/ Linux versions - all the iD stuff, for example
[07:16] <Jebho> i installed dapper drake....the networking tool shows two wireless devices...a wifi0 and a wlan0, does this mean that it automatically recognizes my wireless card?  and if so, which device do i use?
[07:16] <eyequeue> sam_, freedom isn't popular (politics seems to agree)
[07:16] <noobie0057> I thought it might have been more simple
[07:16] <ashik> sethk: its message like "cannot open display: (null)"
[07:16] <sethk> noobie0057, the reason I've done it is to get more throughput in a router.  patches like that are very difficult to port forward as new kernels are released.
[07:16] <Flannel> ashik: ah, try nano instead of gedit
[07:16] <ADx> hey
[07:16] <ADx> yuhu
[07:16] <sethk> ashik, edit it as a normal user, not root
[07:16] <ADx> anybody's here ?
[07:16] <sethk> ADx, no
[07:16] <ADx> :P
[07:16] <ADx> hey dude
[07:17] <ADx> dan you help me whit my instalation
[07:17] <mtholdenss> know how to share a net connection?
[07:17] <sethk> ADx, ask a specific question, then you'll get answers from people who know the answer.
[07:17] <eyequeue> mtholdenss, NAT
[07:17] <ADx> ok ok
[07:17] <Iceman241> screw dapper sucks
[07:17] <noobie0057> sethk, thanks for the info, I'm still very new to linux, I was hoping that it was a matter of right clicking something. If a project did exist on it I would join it
[07:17] <ADx> well wen  i star the live cd
[07:18] <eyequeue> !language
[07:18] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:18] <mtholdenss> eyequeue what u mean? NAT?
[07:18] <mtholdenss> i can do it in xp with a cross over cable..
[07:18] <ADx> everythig going normal
[07:18] <sethk> Iceman241, it has a few glitches; it's relatively new.  for its age, it's actually remarkably stable and good
[07:18] <ADx> and then
[07:18] <ADx> wen i pres into install
[07:18] <pyrokenx> Hello all, I am going a tad bit crazy.. I am not really new to Linux, I am just seeing if anyone can perhaps help me with what I am dealing with :)
[07:18] <Iceman241> anyone a linux god that can install the nvidia driver please .
[07:18] <ADx> it
[07:18] <ADx> just
[07:18] <eyequeue> mtholdenss, Network Address Translation, what do i win?
[07:18] <ADx> nothing happens
[07:18] <Iceman241> 10 hours fighting this driver ... :(
[07:18] <sethk> ADx, nothing happens?  the screen displays nothing?
[07:18] <mtholdenss> eyequeue u dont win anything now how i share to my mac?
[07:19] <eyequeue> mtholdenss, NAT
[07:19] <noobie0057> :( just a regular god,, sorry
[07:19] <ADx> no , i mean
[07:19] <pyrokenx> I am attempting XGL/Compiz-vanilla on AMD64 (and to make matters harder than typical, using proprietary ATI FGLRX drivers)
[07:19] <mtholdenss> i dont know how, your not helping
[07:19] <ADx> the screen just saty like that and
[07:19] <sethk> Iceman241, you should have stopped 9 hours and 45 minutes ago.  why do you need to use dapper?  you know breezy is working for you.  wait a while for dapper.
[07:19] <ADx> nothing happens
[07:19] <Protostar> how do you change themes in Kubuntu?
[07:19] <sethk> ADx, try a text mode install.  it's on the alternate cd
[07:19] <mojo_3> Argh, stupid ubuntu.  I have everything set up perfectly, ive never had that happen with any other distro.  Now I dont know what to do :(
[07:19] <pyrokenx> I have XGL, and Compiz fully working
[07:19] <ADx> ahhhh
[07:19] <eyequeue> mtholdenss, if you're looking for some gui thing to set up NAT, i'm told firestarter can do that
[07:19] <sethk> mojo_3, break it.
[07:19] <pyrokenx> except for the one problem of no titlebars :)
[07:19] <Protostar> I know this is a n00b question, but I can't find any wya to change thems
[07:19] <ADx> and what are the commands of thje ocnsole in linux ubuntu
[07:19] <mtholdenss> ok thanks
[07:20] <pyrokenx> no matter what I do, I cant get any titlebars
[07:20] <pyrokenx> and this is after adding decoration in gset
[07:20] <sethk> ADx, have you downloaded and burned the alternate install cd?
[07:20] <mojo_3> ill delete a random file in /boot and go from there :)
[07:20] <eyequeue> ADx, go there and hot tab twice in rapid succession
[07:20] <ADx> i have the cds
[07:20] <ADx> thore have been shiped into my haouse
[07:20] <eyequeue> ADx, hit
[07:21] <ashik> sethk: thank you .... i did
[07:21] <ADx> just hit
[07:21] <sp0rk> !xgl
[07:21] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:21] <ADx> ??
[07:21] <sethk> ADx, ok, then boot it, and do what eyequeue told you.
[07:21] <mojo_3> maybe I should install gentoo again.  Thatll keep me busy
[07:21] <sethk> ashik, give us the url
[07:21] <ADx> tap twice in rapid sucetion ?
[07:21] <Jebho> i installed dapper drake....the networking tool shows two wireless devices...a wifi0 and a wlan0, does this mean that it automatically recognizes my wireless card?  and if so, which device do i use?
[07:21] <sethk> mojo_3, keep your machine busy, not you.  :)
[07:21] <eyequeue> ADx, go to console and hit tab twice in rapid succession
[07:21] <ADx> ok
[07:21] <sethk> ADx, actually, you can type two tabs slowly also, makes no difference
[07:21] <ADx> im gonna try that
[07:21] <ADx> :D
[07:21] <ADx> so wen i tip tap
[07:21] <sethk> ADx, that's called tab completion, and when you hit tab twice, it shows you all the available commands.
[07:22] <ADx> tip tab
[07:22] <ADx> ahh ok ok
[07:22] <iustin> Can anyone give me the location of dapper`s system sounds
[07:22] <ADx> is like asking for hel
[07:22] <sethk> ADx, if you type A, then tab, it will show you all the commands that begin with A
[07:22] <ashik> sethk: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[07:22] <sethk> ADx, yes, in a way.  there is also help
[07:22] <ADx> ohhhhhhh
[07:22] <ADx> i see
[07:22] <ADx> :d
[07:22] <eyequeue> Display all 4870 possibilities? (y or n)
[07:22] <sethk> ashik, I know, but we need the rest, which is a number of the paste?
[07:22] <falcongrinder> quick question..  how do I make sure Im running as root in terminal
[07:22] <falcongrinder> ?
[07:22] <ADx> THXS dudes
[07:22] <sethk> falcongrinder, id
[07:22] <iustin> Can anyone give me the location of dapper`s system sounds
[07:22] <ADx> you habe been so kind
[07:22] <mojo_3> How do I make my machine be productive without me having to do anything... besides running distributed computing projects
[07:22] <ADx> ^^
[07:22] <ashik> ok that is still to do.
[07:22] <sethk> falcongrinder, id shows your user and group ID.  if they are 0, you are root
[07:22] <eyequeue> falcongrinder, whether or not you typed sudo
[07:22] <sethk> ashik, k
[07:23] <eyequeue> !root > falcongrinder
[07:23] <mtholdenss> eyequeue  thanks :) firestarter is helping a lot...
[07:23] <sethk> falcongrinder, you can also use:     whoami
[07:23] <iustin> Can anyone give me the location of dapper`s system sounds
[07:23] <eyequeue> mtholdenss, i'm glad ,it's also nice to watch the attacks roll in :)
[07:23] <Iceman241> ok, what the heck back to breezy, Dapper sucks for installing the NVidia drivers.
[07:23] <pyrokenx> so, anyone know of any tricks for me maybe? ;p
[07:23] <mtholdenss> attacks roll in?
[07:24] <falcongrinder> and root being the name of my computer?
[07:24] <sysdoc> Iceman241, lol 1 sec I got a url for ya
[07:24] <iustin> Can anyone give me the location of dapper`s system sounds
[07:24] <eyequeue> iustin, ls /usr/share
[07:24] <iustin> thx eyequeue
[07:24] <sam_> How do you change your splash screen? is there a program that will do it automatically?
[07:24] <sam_> gnome
[07:25] <sethk> Iceman241, I think I said that several hours ago several times.
[07:25] <eyequeue> iustin, probably audio or something
[07:25] <Jebho> where can i find the source code for ubunut?
[07:25] <mortal5> has anyone here gotten ffmpeg to work in dapper?
[07:25] <Lam_> would it be better to remove data off my second drive, convert it to ext3, and put it back on there, or leave it as ntfs and get an ntfs driver for linux
[07:25] <madgamer> Anyone here using Ubuntu on a Mac Pro?
[07:25] <sethk> Lam_, convert it.
[07:25] <eyequeue> Jebho, all ubuntu mirrors would have it
[07:25] <iustin> eyequeue, thank you truly
[07:25] <sethk> Lam_, writing to NTFS has major problems
[07:25] <sam_> anyone?
[07:25] <mojo_3> hmmm...  how would I go about recomplining everything on ubuntu from source...
[07:25] <sethk> Lam_, reading from ntfs is ok.
[07:25] <sysdoc> Iceman241, see pm
[07:25] <Jebho> Lam_, i use fat32
[07:25] <eyequeue> Jebho, pick one close to you
[07:25] <eyequeue> iustin, sure thing
[07:26] <diego> hola
[07:26] <Lam_> Jebho: i considered fat32 but it seems like hassle without journaling
[07:26] <pyrokenx> why use fat32 when you can use a fairly excellent EXT3 or reiserfs driver for windows? ;p
[07:26] <sam_> how do you change your splash screen?
[07:26] <sethk> Lam_, if both windows and linux need to read and write, you can use fat32, or buy an ext3 driver for windows
[07:26] <diego> espaol
[07:26] <pyrokenx> just use a very small ntfs partition
[07:26] <sethk> pyrokenx, free?
[07:26] <pyrokenx> yessm
[07:26] <pyrokenx> lemme find
[07:26] <Lam_> sethk: ok thanks
[07:26] <eyequeue> !es > diego
[07:26] <sethk> Lam_, I was wrong about buy, there is apparently a free ext3 for windows.
[07:27] <Jebho> well fat32 worked for me so i just decided to keep it
[07:27] <Lam_> sethk: yeah. i'm looking at one at the moment. would it be better just to go ext3 then and just use a windows driver if need be?
[07:27] <madgamer> I managed to install Ubuntu 6.06.1 on my Mac Pro but it tries to install Grub by default and it caused a problem.
[07:27] <Jebho> didnt have to install any drivers for windows or anything
[07:27] <sethk> Lam_, yes.  ext3 is far superior to fat.  fat doesn't have permissions, owners, etc.
[07:27] <sethk> Lam_, plus ext3 is much faster
[07:27] <mortal5> has anyone here used ffmpeg in dapper?
[07:27] <Jebho> but i have backups of all the data on that partition so i wasnt as concerned about that stuff
[07:27] <sethk> Lam_, has better recovery tools also.
[07:27] <eyequeue> or journalling?
[07:27] <pyrokenx> EXT2 FS driver for XP www.fs-driver.org/
[07:28] <sethk> Lam_, just remember that there is no unerase
[07:28] <sethk> pyrokenx, only ext2, or supports ext3 also?
[07:28] <ashik> sethk: Ashik-X.org.O.log
[07:28] <tamacracker> Hey what's up guys?
[07:28] <madgamer> hey there
[07:28] <Lam_> sethk: only ext2, but pretty much same thing without journaling anyways
[07:28] <sethk> Jebho, if fat32 works for you, by all means use it.
[07:28] <sethk> Jebho, I was speaking more generally, but I should have added "if you need those features"
[07:28] <x_O> I installed bittornado - but it doesnt appear in the menu and I cant launch it with the terminal - so whats wrong?
[07:28] <Lam_> sethk: but yeah. when i erase, i intend it to be erased, so that shouldn't be an issue. thanks
[07:28] <sp0rk> !edgy
[07:28] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[07:28] <tamacracker> Well I have a quick question, I'd like to know how it would be possible to open a .RAR file
[07:29] <Lam_> !schedule
[07:29] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[07:29] <eyequeue> tamacracker, unrar, watch the bot
[07:29] <eyequeue> !info unrar
[07:29] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (dapper), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB
[07:29] <wastrel> <3 those release timetables
[07:29] <eyequeue> tamacracker, meaning you need that repo
[07:29] <sethk> tamacracker, there is a program.  some problems have been reported for rar files with passwords.  ordinary rar files are no problem
[07:29] <Jebho> i've looked on the mirrors site.....no files for source code that i see, only desktop cd, alternate cd, and server cd versions
[07:29] <ashik> sethk: I posted as Ashik-X.org.O.log
[07:29] <eyequeue> !repos
[07:29] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[07:29] <madgamer> !info lilo
[07:29] <ubotu> lilo: LInux LOader - The Classic OS loader can load Linux and others. In component main, is optional. Version 1:22.6.1-7ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 335 kB, installed size 1072 kB
[07:30] <x_O> sethk: Hey, do you know how to launch bittornado?
[07:30] <YeTr2> I'm having an issue with this pcmcia 10/100 network card I have. while using the 2.4 kernel in a previous distrobution, this card worked as it should using the 3c574_cs, but once I upgraded to a 2.6 kernel, the card just stopped working all together
[07:30] <tamacracker> !info unrar
[07:30] <pyrokenx> Firefox is running so slow now its unbearable
[07:30] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (dapper), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB
[07:30] <pyrokenx> every letter I type it takes 3 seconds for it to go in now
[07:30] <YeTr2> pyrokenx: get rid of flash
[07:31] <pyrokenx> YeT: it didnt occur after flash, it occured after XGL/Compiz
[07:31] <somboon> Hi, could anybody tell me what website explain best about virtualhost for ubuntu ? thanks
[07:31] <pyrokenx> even worse it occured with proprietary ATI drivers
[07:31] <eyequeue> pyrokenx, #ubuntu-xgl
[07:32] <JDStone> how do I apply a debdiff to a package?
[07:32] <pyrokenx> much thanks
[07:32] <gea> hai
[07:32] <tamacracker> eyequeue?...
[07:32] <eyequeue> !repos > tamacracker
[07:32] <gea> nm km?
[07:32] <tamacracker> ah ok
[07:32] <gea> aneh bgt nm km
[07:32] <knapper> Hello friends
[07:33] <gea> hai
[07:33] <gea> nm lo
[07:33] <x_O> Can someone please tell me why my programs refuse to open?
[07:33] <x_O> Like, GEDIT?
[07:33] <Omnius_> G'day, im having probs with internet connection, or rather ubuntu connecting  to it
[07:33] <x_O> And wtf is wrong with bittornado ? wont open either
[07:33] <knapper> I'm looking for a program that can check a hard drive for errors, preferably via CD. Anyone know of any such thing?
[07:33] <eyequeue> gea, language?  country?
[07:33] <YeTr2> x_O: open up a term of some kind and try, you might get an error message then
[07:33] <x_O> I have - no errors.
[07:34] <gea> pk b. indonesia aja np
[07:34] <Omnius_> 6.06 both with xubuntu and ubuntu
[07:34] <gea> what?
[07:34] <YeTr2> x_O: from running your gedit and bittornado from a term?
[07:34] <x_O> Yes.
[07:34] <clarence> Hi is there some simple way to share my ubuntu machane with my winxp on my network?
[07:34] <x_O> It just goes to the next prompt
[07:34] <Gevaudan82> clarence: samba
[07:34] <Lam_> is there an ubuntu edgy eft channel?
[07:34] <britt> I'm looking for a drive mount situation where the data is read, and then edited and written to teh drive, but all of the changes are trashed when the server turns off
[07:34] <eyequeue> !esgy > Lam_
[07:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about esgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:34] <britt> anything?
[07:34] <eyequeue> !edgy > Lam_
[07:34] <Lam_> lol
[07:35] <sp0rk> does anoyone know of an alternate server that has the xgl repositories?  the one in the howto is NOT responding
[07:35] <gea> hello
[07:35] <clarence> I am new to linux and I have played around with samba cant figure it out
[07:35] <eyequeue> britt, you contradict yourself there
[07:35] <eyequeue> britt, written?  trashed?
[07:35] <Iceman241> anyone a guru and able to ssh a install ?
[07:35] <bintut> hello all.. anyone here uses ATI video card?  how can i make use of fglrx with 3d hardware accelleration and DRI support?
[07:35] <britt> eyequeue: what im looking for is a system where I can read data, and then use the data but not write to the drive
[07:36] <JoseStefan> knapper, hard drive manufacturers usually have such software
[07:36] <Overand> I can't get ubuntutop to work
[07:36] <britt> AKA readonly, but wouldnt one get errors saying 'cant write or save' esp. with databases.
[07:36] <eyequeue> britt, mount it ro, man mount
[07:36] <Overand> "cannot connect to fam: connection refused"
[07:36] <YeTr2> clarence: what exactly are you trying to do with samba?
[07:36] <knapper> JoseStefan, yeah, but are there any 3rd party ones you know of?
[07:36] <Overand> i've tried a dpkg-reconfigure fam, and i've tried to start fam manually (/etc/init.d/fam/start)
[07:37] <x_O> E: Type 'The' is not known on line 4 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:37] <x_O> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[07:37] <JoseStefan> knapper, maybe norton utilities has a few when you boot from the CD
[07:37] <x_O> Ubuntu the easiest thing on the planet to break.
[07:37] <x_O> sigh.
[07:37] <clarence> YeTr2: Share my files with my winxp computer on my local network
[07:37] <britt> Im just thinking that if i had security issues, they wouldnt be able to write anything, and then to restart i start where i left off with a clean slate
[07:37] <Gevaudan82> clarence: use the default /etc/samba/smb.conf file, pay attention or change the netbios name and then apend something like this for each dir you want shared:  [www]  <n>comment = Web Root <n> path = /www <n>writable = yes where <n> is a new line
[07:37] <britt> eyequeue: kind of like DeepFreeze for Linux.
[07:37] <knapper> JoseStefan: thanks
[07:37] <eyequeue> britt, no idea what that is, sorry
[07:38] <Omnius_> why would both xubuntu and ubuntu both 6.06 have probs browsing the net, some pages load, most dont
[07:38] <Omnius_> its not my home network
[07:38] <YeTr2> clarence: there are a few different ways you can go about doing this in samba. are you just wanting general read/write access to the machine to anyone who connects to it?
[07:38] <Overand> when I do ps -ef | grep fam, I don't see fam
[07:38] <Omnius_> cause all my M$ os comps work fine
[07:39] <x_O> sudo gedit doesnt do anything !! anyone tell me wtf is wrong with my system?
[07:39] <clarence> YeTr2: yes
[07:39] <Overand> Omnius_: reboot a windows machine and verify that they still work =]
[07:39] <britt> eyequeue: would ro work for like, mail or something? Would linux complain about not being able to 'save' mail?
[07:39] <Omnius_> done that twice
[07:39] <Overand> and/or try a live-CD on one of those windfows boxes that works
[07:39] <britt> i mean could i still read it?
[07:40] <Gevaudan82> x_0: try gksu gedit
[07:40] <Omnius_> im on winxp atm, with my xubuntu desktop next to me
[07:40] <eyequeue> britt, if ro, you can't write to it, so yes
[07:40] <x_O> What does the gksu command mean, its like sudo?
[07:40] <Overand> Omnius_: if the hardware is the same, it's possible that ubuntu doesn't play nice with whatever your network card is.
[07:40] <Omnius_> synaptic works
[07:40] <Overand> Omnius_: in all likelihood, though, it's a DNS issue
[07:40] <Gevaudan82> x_0: yea but it's for apps that are spawning a gui
[07:40] <britt> eyequeue: so ro has no real daily use then, right?
[07:40] <eyequeue> x_O, not used in ubuntu, it's more like su
[07:40] <Schalken> is there a Gaim channel for general linux queries?
[07:40] <Schalken> i mean IRC
[07:40] <britt> i need like ro acting like rw
[07:40] <britt> like a ramdisk i suppose
[07:41] <Gevaudan82> schalken: #linuxhelp
[07:41] <eyequeue> britt, i'd say it's common.  think cd/dvd
[07:41] <Omnius_> can i add my isp dns addresses to the xubuntu dns table?
[07:41] <Schalken> Gevaudan82: thanks!
[07:41] <YeTr2> clarence: is this machine going to be on all the time?
[07:41] <x_O> So what commands should I use? Su, or Sudo?
[07:41] <ashik> sethk: Is there anything in the log file that i should change?
[07:41] <britt> eyequeue: i get where you're going with that
[07:41] <x_O> I got an error message back - I will pastbin it.
[07:41] <Vic1ous> hey im new to Ubuntu but i downloaded Ubuntu 6.06 LTS and im installing it but its at 15% and hasnt moved in like 30 minutes
[07:41] <Vic1ous> should it takt that long
[07:42] <Gevaudan82> x_0: sudo for command line tasks requiring root, gksu for gui apps requiring root and su only if you want to enable root for extended sessions...change root's password by typing sudo passwd root
[07:42] <eyequeue> britt, it is also used with the "remount" option in mount, can be handy for the root fs
[07:42] <Lam_> when removing a program that installed dependencies, is there a way to check currently installed programs for dependencies and remove any unnecessary packages?
[07:42] <clarence> YeTr2: It is my personal computer so it is usualy on.
[07:42] <eyequeue> Gevaudan82, do NOT advise that in here please
[07:43] <Gevaudan82> eyequeue: what, the enable root part
[07:43] <Madpilot> Gevaudan82, yes, it's not needed or advised
[07:43] <eyequeue> Gevaudan82, or su, ubuntu uses the sudos
[07:43] <x_O> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23192
[07:43] <Gevaudan82> eyequeue: it is needed when you are doing extended configuration requiring root privilages...most of the vunerabilities are because users log into ubuntu using root
[07:43] <x_O> what does this error mean?
[07:44] <YeTr2> clarence: I would also suggest that this machine also be configured to be the master browser w/ netbios naming service, as well as just doing a simple share.
[07:44] <Vic1ous> so anyone know why its stuck at creating filesystem ext3 and not miving
[07:44] <eyequeue> Gevaudan82, and how would they "log in as root" with no password?
[07:44] <Vic1ous> but the comp isnt locked up
[07:44] <x_O> I can't do anything - certain apps won't open, I can't edit my sources.list ... sigh.
[07:44] <eyequeue> Gevaudan82, send them to the !root page, it talks of sudo -i though
[07:45] <Gevaudan82> eyequeue: i agree...but there are a lot of command line tasks it is much easier to su and then perform your tasks...i never log into to gnome as root
[07:45] <dannyr> Madpilot: apt-get now says 0.82 installed - but I can find no reverence to it - nor can I start it ip <ugh>
[07:45] <x_O> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23192
[07:45] <eyequeue> Gevaudan82, there is zero need to su, ever
[07:45] <eyequeue> !root > Gevaudan82
[07:45] <Madpilot> dannyr, is this clamav still? I know zip about it, actually. I don't bother running any AV on Ubuntu myself.
[07:46] <britt> eyequeue: sudo fails when hackers get in
[07:46] <britt> thats why i use su
[07:46] <Gevaudan82> eyequeue: not to get into an argument or whatever but why do every other distro recommend su and require editing of /etc/sudoers for sudo privilages?
[07:46] <Lam_> do i need to install firestarter and clamav for proper security?
[07:46] <Iceman241> ok, i give the hell up. this nvidia method sucks
[07:46] <dannyr> Madpilot: Yup and I am about to give up for a while
[07:46] <Gevaudan82> Lam_: are you running a server?
[07:46] <Madpilot> Lam_, not really
[07:46] <Iceman241> ubuntu has failed once
[07:46] <Lam_> no
[07:46] <Lam_> and thanks :)
[07:46] <Gevaudan82> Lam_: no then
[07:46] <x_O> MY COMPUTER IS ON FIRE.
[07:46] <eyequeue> Gevaudan82, bring it up with ubuntu security team if you disagree, not #ubuntu
[07:46] <JoseStefan> x_O, tru with sudo instead, or use a CLI based editor
[07:47] <x_O> JoseStefan: Tried with sudo - first command I try.
[07:47] <eyequeue> Gevaudan82, that was to britt ^^
[07:47] <Gevaudan82> i think it is a personal preference honestly...i'll leave it at that but i think users should know what choices are out there
[07:47] <x_O> JoseStefan: I install bittornado - but there's no way to open it!
[07:47] <Iceman241> do not believe that the nvidia driver is that stinking hard now, used to be so freaking simple in breezy
[07:47] <Vic1ous> how long should the craeting file ext3 take when installing ubuntu???
[07:48] <Iceman241> well try again tomarrow. ;( this sucks
[07:48] <dannyr> Madpilot: I had a lot of trouble getting spamassassin to work on ubuntu - I am a little dissapointed - there are a few things that still need to be tidied up - when is the new version due - do you know?
[07:48] <JoseStefan> x_O, one problem at a time
[07:48] <eyequeue> Gevaudan82, please read tje web site about the ubuntu policy before advising in here then
[07:48] <Madpilot> dannyr, no idea, I use gmail for my main email and they have excellent spam filters
[07:48] <x_O> JoseStefan: This box has many. I just want to replace my sources.list cuz now even synaptic wont' work.
[07:48] <Gamekiller> good evening all i have a very simple but some what odd problem that i just trying to make work
[07:49] <Lam_> i have a amd64 laptop with a broadcom wireless adapter in it.  for that scenario, is it even advisable to get the x64 ubuntu if i want working wireless?
[07:49] <Gamekiller> trying to set a keybind to run 3ddesk
[07:49] <x_O> But I am extremely irritated that I can't get bittorrent to work reliably. Frostwire wont open either! makes no sense to me.
[07:49] <eyequeue> Vic1ous, mkfs varies depending on your hardware
[07:49] <lampshade> people have any problem with system tray in wine hanging around after all programs are closed?
[07:49] <Gamekiller> i followed all guild on the website but i can not get the key to bind
[07:49] <x_O> It's ALL worked before, at some point in time on previous Ubuntu installs.
[07:49] <x_O> this is like my 8th reinstall
[07:49] <Vic1ous> well i have 3500 amd 64, 2 gig ram
[07:49] <Gevaudan82> x_0: probally has to do with your router firewall if you have one...open up ports 6881-6889
[07:49] <JoseStefan> x_O, can you put your sources.list on the pastebin?
[07:49] <indigoblu> whats the best way to do an LVM install with Ubuntu
[07:49] <dannyr> Madpilot: that works for you - but I have to support linux here - and I am having some trouble replicating the production box
[07:50] <x_O> No router.
[07:50] <x_O> Direct Connection thru modem.
[07:50] <x_O> JoseStefan: yes, just a sec
[07:50] <Vic1ous> can i pm you eyequeue im getting a headache trying to keepp up
[07:50] <eyequeue> Vic1ous, a 2 gb fs?  sounds slow to make
[07:50] <eyequeue> Vic1ous, i know nothing of time though
[07:50] <Madpilot> dannyr, fair enough - I'm purely a desktop/home user, not a server guy
[07:51] <x_O> JoseStefan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23193 theres the list
[07:51] <Vic1ous> ok well let me ask this
[07:51] <indigoblu> does Ubuntu's stock kernel support LMV or EVMS in its initrd? Can I make a LVM root partition?
[07:51] <Vic1ous> should i have gotten the 64 bit version
[07:51] <x_O> I already have another sources.list that I want to replace it all with, but I can't get to that step.
[07:51] <twysted> http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/09/11/space.tourist.microsoft.reut/index.html
[07:51] <twysted> http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/09/11/space.tourist.microsoft.reut/index.html
[07:51] <Vic1ous> or will this work
[07:51] <eyequeue> Vic1ous, usually no, that's a problem child, i guess
[07:51] <JoseStefan> x_O, something messed up your sources.list badly, but i'm sure you know that by now
[07:52] <x_O> JoseStefan: yea, thats what Im trying to fix, but the darn thing wont let me
[07:52] <x_O> lol
[07:52] <Gamekiller> i am using metacity commond one
[07:52] <Gamekiller> with F12
[07:52] <JoseStefan> x_O, try generating a sources list using source-o-matic, download the file to your home dir, and use "sudo cp" to replace the old one
[07:52] <disinterested> i still cant get the volume controls to work in dapper any help?
[07:52] <Gamekiller> or i would like to use the windows key
[07:52] <x_O> I was just looking at the soureomatic lol
[07:53] <JoseStefan> !source-o-matic
[07:53] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:53] <x_O> But ... what do I do about Frostwire, and Bittornado not opening? How do I fix that?
[07:53] <ashik> sethk: I am waiting for your reply
[07:53] <JoseStefan> x_O, lets get your sources working first ;)
[07:53] <britt> x_O: got java?
[07:53] <x_O> I think I have java, was pretty sure i installed it via easyubuntu.
[07:53] <Healot> !info java-package
[07:54] <ubotu> java-package: utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.27 (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 336 kB
[07:54] <x_O> I know frostwire requires it.
[07:54] <zptao> how do i tell what socket my motherboard uses?
[07:54] <indigoblu> zptao: look up the model online
[07:54] <zptao> how? it's a dell machine
[07:54] <JoseStefan> x_O, for the time being, create your sources.list using the official repos only
[07:54] <indigoblu> zptao: what speed CPU?
[07:55] <zptao> 2.8ghz pentium 4 prescott
[07:55] <indigoblu> ddr2 or ddr1
[07:55] <zptao> ddr1
[07:55] <indigoblu> and what kind of chipset?
[07:55] <zptao> no idea
[07:55] <indigoblu> probably socket 478
[07:55] <x_O> JoseStefan: this soureomatic is a peice of crap ... i can check off either the first half, but not be able to get anything from the seocnd half without losing the top half
[07:55] <x_O> wtf whoever did that was stupid
[07:56] <Gamekiller> has any one worked with metacity keybinds
[07:56] <Gamekiller> ok i have to go bbl
[07:56] <x_O> JoseStefan: pastebin ur sources.list and ill use that lol
[07:56] <JoseStefan> x_O, you are on dapper right?
[07:56] <x_O> Yes.
[07:57] <JoseStefan> x_O, join #x_O
[07:57] <Jebho> is there a keyboard shortcut to switch between workspaces?
[07:58] <tamacracker> eyequeue, thank you!! :)
[07:58] <dmsantam> Jebho ctrl-alt-left_arrow
[07:58] <dmsantam> Jebho unless i changed it and can't remember :)
[07:58] <eyequeue> tamacracker, no prob
[07:58] <Jebho> ha, thats it, thanks
[07:58] <ktekx> at installation, i've been on this blue screen for a long time (-_-)
[07:58] <ktekx> anybody know whats up?
[07:58] <Jebho> how do you use wpa authentication for wireless?
[07:59] <indigoblu> Jebho: install NetworkManger and let it handle it for you
[08:00] <speedycalabro> anyone having kontact crash lately?
[08:00] <speedycalabro> hmmmm....maybe i should say hi first
[08:00] <speedycalabro> sorry
[08:00] <speedycalabro> haha
[08:01] <speedycalabro> but nonetheless, it just started doing it recently
[08:01] <speedycalabro> gives me some kind of sig error
[08:01] <Madpilot> !enter
[08:01] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[08:01] <Lam_> if linux doesn't have a "real" virus yet, what does clamav even scan for?
[08:01] <britt> fake viruses
[08:01] <Madpilot> Lam_, Windows viruses
[08:01] <Lam_> ah, ignorance.  ok
[08:02] <britt> Madpilot: why scan for viruses that cant be ran?
[08:02] <Madpilot> Lam_, so you don't pass them on to your friends who are unfortunate enough to be still stuck with Windows
[08:02] <Lam_> that's their fault for not having antivirus
[08:03] <Lam_> lol. i just realized the irony in what i said
[08:03] <sam_> How do you change your splashscreen?
[08:03] <sam_> !splashscreen
[08:03] <ubotu> To change the Gnome splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image.
[08:03] <cafuego> or even easier, use gtweakui.
[08:05] <Madpilot> there is a Gnome splashscreen utility - install it and you don't have to mess with gconf-editor
[08:05] <ashik> I have posted my log file in pastebin as Ashik-X.org.O.log. Could anybody please help me?
[08:05] <sam_> what is it called?
[08:05] <emesgee> o.o whenever I use apt-get I get this error: E: The package jedit needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[08:05] <ashik> the file is about screen resolution
[08:06] <Jebho> when you install programs with synaptic package manager....where do they go?  i.e. how do i find them to place in menus and what not
[08:07] <Lam_> is there a way to get ubuntu to render the splashscreen in 16:9 or 16:10?
[08:08] <pkh> is there a gui app that will alow a user to find and replace in a number of files across folders (a gui version of find ... exec sed ...?)
[08:10] <Lam_> thanks guys. bye all
[08:10] <mtholdenss> i think it may be xgl that had been causing my screensaver to go to black cause i just did a re install and xgl isnt installed and hasnt gone black..odd
[08:10] <emesgee> how do I fix apt-get, its bugging me about JEDIT
[08:10] <britt> xgl still is only supported by nVidia cards right?
[08:11] <emesgee> I used XGL on an ati card before
[08:11] <cafuego> mtholdenss: Yes. Xgl is not production ready. By any stretch of the imagination. Running opengl apps on it will BREAK X.
[08:11] <sam_> What is the splashscreen changer called?
[08:11] <mtholdenss> cafuego. how can i fix that, run xgl as a seperate session ?
[08:12] <cafuego> mtholdenss: Either that or just don't run it ;-)
[08:12] <Madpilot> sam_, I'm not sure, and I'm not on my home machine so I can't check easily. Search Synaptic for 'splashscreen'
[08:12] <cafuego> The altter solution makes your machine much faster *nodnod*
[08:12] <mtholdenss> cafuego, but i love the compiz eye candy stuff...
[08:12] <sam_> ta
[08:13] <thoreauputic> cafuego: my machine runs real fast if I don't start X! Wow! *grin*
[08:13] <indigoblu> does Ubuntu's stock kernel support LMV or EVMS in its initrd? Can I make a LVM root partition?
[08:14] <indigoblu> thoreauputic: what kind of graphics card?
[08:14] <cafuego> mtholdenss: Xgollum. prreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeciousssssssssss!
[08:14] <thoreauputic> indigoblu: I was kidding :) Any machine runs faster without X
[08:14] <Healot> partition mount as "/": indigoblu? yes
[08:14] <mtholdenss> cafuego, ?
[08:14] <indigoblu> Healot: im a Gentoo convet, I hear using Alternate CD with stock kernel is just fine?
[08:14] <Jebho> where do programs installed by synaptic reside?
[08:15] <thoreauputic> Jebho: depends - games in /usr/games, most things in /usr/bin...
[08:15] <Healot> yes. the alternate CD can do lvm partitioning
[08:15] <indigoblu> Healot: great, im using LVM root now and I like it.... one big fat partition
[08:15] <thoreauputic> Jebho: if that's what you meant - the packages land in /var/apt/cache/archives IIRC
[08:16] <Jebho> no, the actual binaries
[08:16] <Healot> indigoblu: tips, make /boot on a non-LVM partition... in case of anything happens
[08:16] <thoreauputic> erm /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:16] <thoreauputic> Jebho: as I said it depends
[08:17] <britt> does bootcd create a bootable cd of the ubtuntu install?
[08:17] <thoreauputic> Jebho: type dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin  to see
[08:17] <Jebho> and also, my windows partition always mounts on my desktop when i load up ubuntu, how do i permantently disable that, i have gone into the 'disks' utility and disabled it on a few different occasions
[08:17] <indigoblu> Healot: yeah but if the cd can read the partition im fine.  This is a desktop machine so it's never going to be far from a rescue cd
[08:18] <Healot> indigoblu: just in case we f***ed, you know, just my two cents
[08:18] <thoreauputic> Jebho: edit /etc/fstab and remove the "auto" from the line referring to /dev/hda1 ( assuming that's your windows partition)
[08:18] <britt> thoreauputic, or add noauto
[08:18] <indigoblu> Healot: yeah... does the Alternate cd setup LVM for you or do you have to run vg/pv(create)
[08:19] <thoreauputic> britt: yes actually that's correct
[08:19] <thoreauputic> britt: I think it might be necessary as well
[08:19] <mtholdenss> how do i edit the default session?
[08:19] <coredata> you tell me ;)
[08:19] <Healot> indigoblu: no need, the partitioner will do that for you, well, d-i-y
[08:21] <emesgee> can someone please help me with my apt-get problem >_<
[08:21] <Healot> emesgee: ask ahead
[08:22] <emesgee> whenever I try to install something with apt-get
[08:22] <emesgee> it says E: The package jedit needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[08:22] <dumpty> hi! please help, explain how to create a sequencer device in ubuntu?
[08:22] <JoseStefan> emesgee, you might have something wrong with your sources.list
[08:23] <MrKeuner> hi, printer is connected to a dapper system A on my local lan. On the dapper system B i cannot see that printer although i have done ./enable_sharing and ./enable_browsing on A and enabled detection of lan printers on B. What else should I do?
[08:23] <BHSPitLappy> hi all
[08:23] <emesgee> JoseStephan: I got the package from wget.. but I'll check my sources list
[08:23] <Jebho> thoreauputic, there is no "auto", only this line.../dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[08:23] <BHSPitLappy> I need to turn off using the ALT key to move a window, hopefully just for a specific window/program. it's interfering with a game.
[08:24] <thoreauputic> Jebho: right, britt pointed out you need to add "noauto"
[08:24] <MrKeuner> !help
[08:24] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[08:24] <Jebho> just anywhere on that line is fine?
[08:24] <thoreauputic> Jebho: I would add it after defaults
[08:25] <Jebho> thanks
[08:25] <thoreauputic> Jebho: no spaces
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Jebho: actually mine just has  noauto,ro,users,umask=022
[08:26] <thoreauputic> works fine
[08:26] <ompaul> !ask
[08:26] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:27] <britt> anybody know how to install ubuntu onto a laptop with a atheros wirelesscard
[08:28] <ktekx> after it checks for hardware..
[08:28] <ktekx> it just hangs
[08:28] <ktekx> at a blue screen
[08:28] <ktekx> for a long time
[08:28] <ktekx> anybody have had this experience before or is it normal for it to be on this screen for a long ass time?
[08:29] <emesgee> I tried installing it on my ancient laptop from 1997 :P and I sorta got the same problem
[08:29] <Gevaudan82> ktekx: did you recently change your hostname?
[08:30] <MrKeuner> hi, printer is connected to a dapper system A on my local lan. On the dapper system B i cannot see that printer although i have done ./enable_sharing and ./enable_browsing on A and enabled detection of lan printers on B. What else should I do?
[08:31] <britt> ghetto hardware + new OS = problems
[08:31] <britt> I have a HP Netserver thats useless
[08:34] <sam_> how do you change the grub splash screen?!?!
[08:34] <Healot> !usplash
[08:34] <ubotu> usplash is the start-up splash (before GNOME/KDE appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[08:35] <brendonjt> !edgy
[08:35] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[08:35] <Chandu> hi , I want to know about ubuntu package versioning policy .. From where I can get
[08:35] <Jebho> more simple questions from me....i installed network manager (with the gnome frontend), i dont know how to access/configure it now
[08:36] <rbrtoclto> compiz is amazing
[08:36] <Gevaudan82> Jebho: refresh me, what does network manager do?
[08:36] <Chandu> For example: For "Ubiquity" package version if "1.1.15" , what does it mean
[08:36] <britt> !compiz
[08:36] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[08:36] <rbrtoclto> but still a bit gumby to use
[08:36] <britt> oh
[08:36] <Jebho> i was told to download it in order to handle wpa authentication
[08:36] <brendonjt> hi ya all  just installed ubuntu edgy
[08:36] <brendonjt> and i love the new look it is cool
[08:37] <Gevaudan82> brendonjt: have you used dappy? does edgy seem stable at this point?
i have just installed and did the update, it is at beta1  and it looks good
[08:38] <thoreauputic> Jebho: try doing the following in order: go to System- admin- networking and disable your interfaces there including wifi, then type  nm-applet  in a terminal
 completly new look and stable at the moment firefox seems a bit buggy but it is good
[08:38] <Gevaudan82> brendonjt: i'm not really interested in upgrading at this point but out of curiosity is there a specific repo you have to enable to access the latest and greatest?
[08:39] <Madpilot> brendonjt, all browsers are buggy, so what's new? ;)
[08:39] <dannyr> I am still attempting to install clamav on ubuntu - apt-get clamav says that it is installed - but no clamd or conf files - I cant find anyother references on howto's
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Jebho: then click the applet and add your network
[08:39] <Jebho> thoreauputic: should i deactivate my wired connection as well?  thats what im using right now
[08:39] <brendonjt> artwork umm  lots of others
[08:40] <thoreauputic> Jebho: you need to have no entries like   eth0 inet dhcp  in your network interfaces, so yes
[08:40] <Healot> !perl
[08:40] <Gevaudan82> dannyr: sudo apt-get clamav clamav-base clamav-freshclam clamtk libclamav1
[08:40] <ubotu> perl: Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language. In component main, is optional. Version 5.8.7-10ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 3219 kB, installed size 11172 kB
 went to ubuntuguide and got a list of repos for edgy and that will upgrade but i downloaded the iso and did clean install
[08:40] <thoreauputic> Jebho: network manager takes over all interfaces
[08:40] <thoreauputic> Jebho: you might need to run   sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart after making the changes
[08:40] <Gevaudan82> dannyr: err, put an install after the apt-get
[08:42] <panther> recccssssssssss
[08:42] <dannyr> Gevaudan82: great thank you - but<g> :  unmet dependencies: clamav-freshclam: Depends: clamav-base (= 0.88.2-1ubuntu1) but 0.88.4-0volatile1 is to be installed - Is this a reference to sources reference?
[08:43] <ktekx> Gevaudan82: sorry late response, but no, this is my first attempt at installing ubuntu
[08:43] <Gevaudan82> dannyr: it really sounds like you have either not installed hte extra repos which are avilable via ubuntuguide or not refreshed them so they are available...honestly, i can't think of anything else...
[08:43] <ktekx> i dont know if its still installing or is it just frozen
[08:44] <Gevaudan82> ktekx: what was your problem?
[08:44] <sp0rk> !edgy
[08:44] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[08:44] <frying_fish> anyone know of a way to force aptitude to fix a program (not -f ) as I can't even remove this program it fails on processing a script
[08:44] <sp0rk> !schedule
[08:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[08:44] <frying_fish> its the gtk2-engines package for edgy, trying to upgrade but getting blocked by that.
[08:44] <Gevaudan82> when is edgy expected to be releashed and wil it be relativly seamlesss to upgrade from dapper drake?
[08:45] <frying_fish> 26/10 for edgy
[08:45] <Gevaudan82> ubotu, you old dog, thanks
[08:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you old dog, thanks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:45] <thoreauputic> Gevaudan82: and yes, it will be easy to upgrade
[08:46] <ktekx> Gevaudan82: this is my first time i'm installing ubuntu, it goes past the hardware detection thing w/ the CD drive
[08:46] <ktekx> but then it just hangs at a blue screen
[08:46] <ktekx> if i press anything, the blue screen moves up and i end up w/ a black screen
[08:46] <sam_> What is the program that puts a mac like Dock Bar thingee on ure screen?
[08:47] <Gevaudan82> ktekx: not sure about the blue screen...you are booting natively and not using vmware right? the inevitable blackscreen is probally due to ubuntu not detecting your video card...laptop or desktop?
[08:47] <Gevaudan82> sam_: gdesklets has something to do that
[08:48] <Gevaudan82> sam_: know that you ahve to add it to your gnome session to have it enabled upon boot
[08:48] <ktekx> yea i'm booting natively, on a desktop
[08:48] <britt> will glx ever be launched with Dapper
[08:49] <ktekx> if its not detecting my vid card, would it still display text?
[08:49] <britt> or will we have to wait?
[08:49] <ktekx> cuz when i type something, it still shows the text, but it just doesnt do anything
[08:49] <starfishy> the upgrade from dapper to edgy seems a bit less straightforward than etch->sid usually is
[08:49] <Gevaudan82> ktekx: yes it would still display text
[08:49] <ktekx> Ooh
[08:49] <sam_> thanks
[08:50] <starfishy> i should have upgraded before installing all that stuff
[08:50] <Gevaudan82> ktekx: i really suck at hardware diagnostics but is this an nvidia or ati card?
[08:50] <Madpilot> starfishy, should be just a dist-upgrade ("just" being a dangerous word here...)
[08:50] <thoreauputic> starfishy: edgy is currently much more... um .. edgy than sid :)
[08:50] <ktekx> its neither, its onboard video for an old IBM computer
[08:50] <starfishy> madpilot: the main points seem to be sysvinit->upstart and some of the python stuff
[08:50] <Jebho> thoreauputic: didnt get it to work
[08:51] <starfishy> thoreauputic: if it doesnt work out for me Ill just reinstall
[08:51] <Jebho> thoreauputic: also, the wireless didnt work, which, thats fine for now, but networkmanager wouldn't let me use my wired connection
[08:51] <thoreauputic> Jebho: hmmm - well what i told you is about right, but frankly network manager is still pretty beta IMO
[08:52] <thoreauputic> Jebho: you might have better luck with netapplet - but that uses the normal interfaces files
[08:52] <Gevaudan82> ktekx: interesting, most older graphics chips are supported by default...i won't be of much help with the syntax but there's a way to boot to init runlevel 3 giving you a terminal and allowing you to boot the generic vesa driver which should at least give you a gui while you look for a driver...anyone can help w/ the syntax?
[08:52] <thoreauputic> Jebho: my wifi card doesn't support wpa so i can't really help on that
[08:52] <Jebho> ok, well thanks for the help, i've heard the wireless card i have is troublesome as it is
[08:53] <holycow> just boot into recovery mode and do sudp dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:53] <X-ray> hey guys
[08:53] <holycow> select all the defaults but select vesa manujally as the driver at the beginning
[08:54] <Jebho> this no wireless thing is just bugging me because i have to drape a wire across my apartment to use ubuntu instead of windows, otherwise i'd be using it all the time and trying to learn more abou it
[08:54] <thoreauputic> Jebho: just for reference - it took me a day of hair pulling to get my card working with nm-applet and wep :)
[08:54] <starfishy> so is edgy fit for day-to-day use?
[08:54] <starfishy> dapper seems to currently have problems with Xgl
[08:55] <FirstStrike> !edgy
[08:55] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[08:55] <Jebho> would it be any easier to change the router back to wep and try using the interface that comes with dapper to network?
[08:55] <Jebho> and just see if i can get my card working?
[08:55] <ktekx> can you guys give me a bit more watered down how-to? i'm a complete linux noob trying to get the hang of it
[08:55] <FirstStrike> and starfishy..edgy is not ready for the desktop yet.
[08:55] <Jebho> im really not too worried about security anyways
[08:55] <melon> i know it's all about preference.. but.. is there a standout program for burning iso images in ubuntu that i should check out?
[08:55] <frying_fish> Jebho: although thoreauputic may have had problems, wep and mine with nm worked instantly
[08:55] <X-ray> which file do I have to edit to have my ndiswrapper started every time I reboot?
[08:55] <thoreauputic> Jebho: I would start with no encrytion, get that working, then try wep
[08:55] <frying_fish> so it depends on your chipsets possibly.
[08:55] <orphean> X-ray: Add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules
[08:56] <britt> Jebho, id just use wep
[08:56] <X-ray> orphean: thx
[08:56] <Jebho> ok
[08:56] <starfishy> FirstStrike: what are the main issues?
[08:56] <thoreauputic> frying_fish: probably a different card - mine is the new bcm43xx module ( airport express)
[08:56] <sam_> How do you load a program automatically on login...i want to open xmms automatically
[08:56] <frying_fish> thoreauputic: that would be why, the bcm43xx has lots of fun
[08:56] <starfishy> i am used to running sid, so occasional hiccups with the package management dont matter
[08:56] <frying_fish> I have intel ipw2200
[08:56] <FirstStrike> starfishy: a lot of things are broken as of yet..it's less stable than dapper as of right now..and you may have issues with libc.
[08:56] <orphean> sam_: if you're using gnome, go to System->Preferences->Sessions
[08:56] <thoreauputic> frying_fish: yes, it's quite "young" :)
[08:56] <starfishy> ok
[08:57] <Jebho> but another question...if ubuntu installs a wifi0 and wlan0 in the "networking" tool after installation does this mean my card will be supported from the get go
[08:57] <frying_fish> I personally have edgy issues with gtk2-engines
[08:57] <orphean> sam_: then go to the Startup programs tab and add xmms there
[08:57] <starfishy> so i may have to go back to sid :\
[08:57] <frying_fish> it is refusing to let me update it and is broken
[08:57] <frying_fish> and aptitude is not wanting to resolve it using any form of solution.
[08:57] <cafuego> thoreauputic/frying_fish: If you run the latest Dapper kernel and have the firmware, networkmanager should be just dandy with the bcm43xx.
[08:57] <isos_> heya
[08:57] <Jebho> i have like a dwl-520+ or something, a "special" card as i have read from the community posts
[08:57] <isos_> how can I use scp?
[08:57] <frying_fish> cafuego: ok.
[08:57] <FirstStrike> starfishy: it is not recommended to upgrade dapper to edgy as of right now. you should install edgy onto a separate partition.
[08:57] <frying_fish> isos_: man scp
[08:57] <sam_> .where is startup?
[08:58] <X-ray> orphean : I can't find that folder?
[08:58] <thoreauputic> cafuego: I have - and i used your firmware - but I ended up downgrading network-manager-gnome because the newes one would not associate
[08:58] <orphean> X-ray: its a text file in the /etc folder :)
[08:58] <isos_> frying_fish: I did ... but I need the graphical way
[08:58] <X-ray> can't find it either
[08:58] <isos_> I searched but couldn't find anything
[08:58] <cafuego> thoreauputic: Weird, not had problems with it here.
[08:58] <sam_> thanks
[08:58] <orphean> X-ray: then just create /etc/modules and add in ndiswrapper
[08:58] <thoreauputic> cafuego: I have it working with wep now using the 0,51 version on my iBook
[08:59] <X-ray> orphean: lols thx, ok
[08:59] <dannyr> Gevaudan82: I located the extra repos and installed / updated - but still get unmet depends: "clamav-freshclam: Depends: clamav-base (= 0.88.2-1ubuntu1) but 0.88.4-0volatile1 is to be installed" - don't loose sleep over it - but if you can think of something stupid that I am missing -----?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> I think that's the right version, have to check
[08:59] <starfishy> FirstStrike: i have a half broken dapper installation
[08:59] <orphean> X-ray: sudo echo "ndiswrapper" >> /etc/modules
[08:59] <starfishy> so i will try the upgrade and if it doesnt work for me ill reinstall
[08:59] <byebye``> hello
[08:59] <X-ray> thx
[08:59] <FirstStrike> starfishy: k
[08:59] <sam_> I know how to see my windows files but how do i make it mount automatically when i boot up?
[08:59] <byebye``> i have a problem
[08:59] <X-ray> orphean, I found it before but forgot
[08:59] <byebye``> so maybe someone can help me
[08:59] <byebye``> pls
[09:00] <thoreauputic> cafuego: are you using the gnome network manager thing?
[09:00] <starfishy> FirstStrike: i have been experimenting with xgl/compiz all afternoon and it largely works but there are still a bunch of unsolved issues
[09:00] <cafuego> thoreauputic: Yup. Mine's on version 0.6.2-0ubuntu7
[09:00] <kling0n_> sam_, add to /etc/fstab: /dev/hda1 /mnt/win ntfs auto,uid=(your userid) 0 0
[09:00] <thoreauputic> cafuego: I'm scared to try it again ;) I have the older one working now
[09:00] <cafuego> thoreauputic: it leps me select networks from the pull-down and (if appropriate) prompts be for the network key/pass.
[09:00] <melon> nm - going with k3b
[09:00] <FirstStrike> starfishy: it ran fine for me. did you follow the official ubuntu guide?
[09:00] <sam_> how do i sudo edit ?
[09:00] <sam_> lol
[09:01] <sam_> im new.
[09:01] <cafuego> thoreauputic: Actually, this is on my desktop, not the laptop with bcm43xx.
[09:01] <thoreauputic> cafuego: yes, I get prompted for my wep pass
[09:01] <cafuego> lemme boot that && check
[09:01] <kling0n_> sam_, must have done a mkdir -p /mnt/win' for it to work though :)
[09:01] <starfishy> FirstStrike: i followed the guide
[09:01] <thoreauputic> cafuego: but the latest gnome version refuses to s=associate at all
[09:01] <starfishy> the problem turned out to be 16bpp display instead of 24bpp
[09:01] <thoreauputic> times out
[09:01] <starfishy> for some weird reason kubuntu installed 16bpp as default
[09:02] <FirstStrike> ah..i don't run kde.
[09:02] <kling0n_> sam_, alt-f2, then 'sudo gedit /etc/fstab'
[09:02] <falcongrinder> hello.  I just got some stuff off on the synaptic package manager and im unsure of how to install it
[09:02] <kling0n_> or maybe gksudo
[09:02] <sam_> thanks your a legend.
[09:02] <el_capitan|afk> could somebody tell me how to get permission to move a folder to another folder
[09:02] <el_capitan|afk> is there a way to just have it recognise me a root or owner or whatever all the time
[09:03] <thoreauputic> el_capitan|afk: which folder to which folder ?
[09:03] <Jebho> how'd you guys get so well versed in linux if you don't mind me asking...like how old are you/how long you been using it
[09:03] <sam_> is my user id my login name?
[09:03] <el_capitan|afk> a folder on my desktop to amsn's skins folder
[09:03] <kling0n_> el_capitan|afk, sudo chown -R <your username:your username> /path/to/dir
[09:03] <X-ray> orphean: if I wanna auto mount a partition at startup, is a entry in mtab enough?
[09:03] <thoreauputic> Jebho: about 4 years in my case
[09:03] <britt> Jebho, im 20 and ive been using linux for about 5 years
[09:03] <melon> heh - i'm 3 days into linux
[09:03] <melon> 'n damnit.. i'll never go back
[09:04] <britt> i still have redhat 5,2 CDs
[09:04] <Shadowpillar> http://www.nerdyshirts.com/images/shirts_im-legal.gif
[09:04] <britt> melon, thats the spirit
[09:04] <britt> im trying to convert my girlfriend over to linux
[09:04] <isos_> anyone knows if there is a graphical program for using scp ?
[09:04] <thoreauputic> el_capitan|afk: if the sj=kins folder is in ~/.amsn or whatever it should not need special privileges
[09:04] <cafuego> thoreauputic: Unless there was an overnight update, mine should be happy still.
[09:05] <thoreauputic> cafuego: no, this was a few days back
[09:05] <el_capitan|afk> sudo: must be setuid root
[09:05] <cafuego> isos_: gnome (nautilus) supports sftp:// network shares (and sshfs mounts ANY remote ssh dir)
[09:05] <el_capitan|afk> I know it shouldnt
[09:05] <kling0n_> isos_, you can go to "places" - "connect to server" and add the sftp location
[09:05] <el_capitan|afk> but it does
[09:05] <shasbot> is it easy to recompile the kernel in ubuntu?
[09:05] <el_capitan|afk> and now I get that message when trying to use sudo
[09:05] <Jebho> britt:  ha, my girlfriend was about to pay to have a cable company network all her roommates computers for liek 350 because she didnt understnad what it meant
[09:05] <thoreauputic> cafuego: there's a note about it on the wiki wifi page, which is why I downgraded it to get it working
[09:06] <britt> Jebho, yikes!
[09:06] <el_capitan|afk> so what does sudo: must be setuid root mean?
[09:06] <Jebho> britt:  so no converting her
[09:06] <isos_> I used ssh through connect to server before but ssh is so slow
[09:06] <britt> Jebho, im planning on getting married soon and I told her my HP Netserver is coming with me
[09:06] <kling0n_> isos_, change cipher to blowfish and add compression flag
[09:06] <isos_> I need to use scp ...
[09:06] <Jebho> so what was the reason you guys got into linux//how did you get exposed?
[09:06] <isos_> what is that?
[09:07] <kling0n_> isos_, 'man ssh'
[09:07] <thoreauputic> Jebho: totally sick of MS in my case :)
[09:07] <melon> lol - i got sick of things going bump in the night
[09:07] <melon> every corner i turned.. there was a new problem or crash
[09:08] <kling0n_> linux is also a good opportunity to learn new stuff... once you've given up on the windows guessgame
[09:08] <Jebho> i guess i've never really had that big of problems to really get into it
[09:08] <kling0n_> if it doesn't work in unix - YOU did it wriong :)
[09:09] <falcongrinder> anyone setup kismet? im having a problem
[09:09] <kling0n_> s/io/o/
[09:09] <X-ray> me 2
[09:09] <melon> i don't expect magic - but it sure does cure frustration when u realise there's a perfectly good alternative..
[09:09] <isos_> guys ... I am asking about scp ... any graphical program for it?
[09:09] <X-ray> kismet is letting me down :)
[09:09] <Subhuman> isos_, gftp
[09:09] <Jebho> just taking an os class and an embedded class that use linux so i installed a version
[09:09] <kling0n_> isos_, you got 4-5 responses to that already
[09:09] <cafuego> thoreauputic: "ii  network-manager- 0.6.2-0ubuntu7 ..."
[09:09] <falcongrinder> I just picked it up and im not sure how to make use of it
[09:09] <nikin> isos: scp? what is that?
[09:09] <cafuego> thoreauputic: BUT... that one already has the wep key in the keyring.
[09:09] <isos_> I don't wanna use sftp or ssh
[09:09] <melon> plus as kling0n_ mentioned.. it's a great opportunity to learn :)
[09:09] <thoreauputic> cafuego: yeah, that's the one I couldn't get working :)
[09:10] <isos_> gftp is slow
[09:10] <isos_> using ssh
[09:10] <frying_fish> isos_: scp is part of ssh
[09:10] <isos_> I used them all ..
[09:10] <frying_fish> "secure copy" as part of "secure shell"
[09:10] <isos_> I know .. I've been told that scp is a fast secure copy using ssh
[09:10] <isos_> and I am looking for fast
[09:10] <isos_> I went man scp but it's all in terminal ... so I want a graphical "scp"
[09:10] <thoreauputic> cafuego: ii  network-manager 0.5.1-0ubuntu19
[09:10] <cafuego> isos_: tweak your ssh params to use fast encryption and compression.
[09:11] <X-ray> orphean
[09:11] <falcongrinder> x-ray, after synaptic what sis you do to install it
[09:11] <orphean> yes?
[09:11] <falcongrinder> ?
[09:11] <thoreauputic> cafuego: minf you, I'm a wifi beginner :)
[09:11] <thoreauputic> *mind
[09:11] <frying_fish> isos_: why not just use it in terminal?
[09:11] <cafuego> thoreauputic: <heh>
[09:11] <isos_> I am not that expert .. just new to linux
[09:11] <kling0n_> isos_, open a location in nautilus, press "ctrl-L" and type "sftp://servername"
[09:11] <frying_fish> and you could always mount using sshfs, then it would work
[09:11] <X-ray> falcongrinder, I used ubuntu
[09:11] <orphean> X-ray, yes?
[09:11] <frying_fish> with nautillus
[09:11] <falcongrinder> what do you mean?
[09:11] <X-ray> orphean, how do I automount a partition?
[09:11] <kling0n_> isos_, but it will still be dependant on your network link to the server
[09:12] <isos_> yeah .. thanks guys
[09:12] <frying_fish> X-ray: add its details to /etc/fstab
[09:12] <nocti> X-ray: edit /etc/fstab
[09:12] <orphean> X-ray: You'll need to edit your /etc/fstab file.
[09:12] <X-ray> lol thx
[09:12] <X-ray> haha
[09:12] <X-ray> strangely enough I overlooked that file
[09:13] <X-ray> tho I was specifically looking for it
[09:13] <orphean> welcome to linux :D
[09:13] <britt> later fellas!
[09:13] <X-ray> meh I've been around tho
[09:14] <kling0n_> X-ray, 'man hier' for a detailed description of filesystem leyout
[09:14] <kling0n_> layout even
[09:15] <Overand> I can't get famd to run (ubuntu-server amd64)
[09:15] <X-ray> kling0n_,  k thx
[09:15] <bintut> hello all..
[09:16] <frying_fish> anyone have any ideas on how to fix this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23195
[09:16] <Overand> nevermind- got it.
[09:17] <X-ray> how do I mount a ntfs partition? do I need to convert it or can I use some library to make it readable?
[09:17] <Overand> X-ray: do you only need to read it, or do you need to write data to it?
[09:17] <orphean> X-ray: mount -t ntfs /dev/hd<WHATEVER> /path/to/my/mount/point
[09:17] <Healot> frying_fish: sudo apt-get -f install
[09:18] <Lam_> is there a way (via program or linux kernal or whatnot) to encrypt certain files to require the sudo command to read them by the user, but make them readable by what program is using it by default
[09:18] <frying_fish> Healot: that was an apt-get -f install
[09:18] <X-ray> Overand, writing would be handy
[09:18] <orphean> X-ray: or in an fstab friendly form: /dev/hd<WHATEVER> /path/to/my/mount/point  ntfs  noatime  0 0
[09:18] <Lam_> more of a manner of encrypting things like the gaim accounts.xml file
[09:18] <bintut> i just installed ubuntu dapper amd64 here on my laptop..  i want to try xgl here.  anyone can confirm if i'm currently currently running a hardware accelleration already by checking my paste in http://rafb.net/paste/results/IGbdLQ57.html ?
[09:18] <orphean> or whatever options you need
[09:18] <X-ray> orphean, options for reading writing?
[09:18] <X-ray> rw?
[09:19] <Healot> frying_fish: apt-get clean first
[09:19] <orphean> X-ray: yeah :)
[09:20] <bintut> anyone?
[09:20] <frying_fish> Healot: nope, still the same problem, I'm guessing its because it is the latest version in edgy and that may be why its broken,
[09:20] <X-ray> orphean: rw is enough?
[09:20] <frying_fish> it is annoying, because if I could just get that one package it would finish sorting itself out
[09:21] <X-ray> anyone knows a WORKING wifi monitor? for just viewing signal strength and such?
[09:22] <frying_fish> X-ray: airsnort?
[09:23] <orphean> X-ray: Wait.
[09:23] <orphean> X-ray: I'm stupid ;)  rw is a no-go on a ntfs partition with the driver ubuntu gives in the kernel.
[09:24] <orphean> X-ray: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009 follow that HOWTO
[09:24] <X-ray> meh
[09:24] <orphean> its what I use at any rate.
[09:24] <X-ray> I've ruined it already...
[09:24] <X-ray> I chmodded the mount folder after I didn't see anything
[09:24] <X-ray> previously
[09:25] <orphean> I doubt you ruined it
[09:25] <orphean> unless they compiled in experimental write support into the kernel
[09:25] <orphean> which I doubt they did
[09:25] <X-ray> well... fixing it is a mess
[09:25] <X-ray> how do you chmod a folder to make it readable writable?
[09:26] <X-ray> sudo chmod rwxX user folder?
[09:26] <X-ray> didn't work out
[09:26] <frying_fish> you need the numbers don't you
[09:26] <X-ray> oh crap
[09:26] <frying_fish> 7 for rwx 6 for rw I think.
[09:26] <frying_fish> or 5
[09:26] <X-ray> so I did 777
[09:26] <frying_fish> rwxrwxrwx you made it then
[09:26] <X-ray> and it screwed it up
[09:26] <frying_fish> but if its ntfs it will ignore that I think
[09:27] <nikin> any idea on how to get a canon lbp2900 leaserprinter to work with CUPS
[09:27] <nikin> ?
[09:27] <orphean> heh someone was lagging
[09:27] <frying_fish> thats no good, ask a question and disappear before an answer
[09:28] <Guest56795> so
[09:28] <holycow> nikin, check linuxprinting.org if its supported
[09:28] <frying_fish> holycow: he dropped off.
[09:28] <holycow> you should NEVER  buy canon printers tw
[09:28] <nekostar> arg
[09:28] <holycow> btw
[09:28] <holycow> oh k
[09:28] <el_cap> yeah, now I cant use it at all
[09:28] <nekostar> im having a little trouble setting up mysql and stuff
[09:29] <nekostar> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06_p4
[09:29] <AdGol> hello, I would like to install Paltalk (voice manager from www.paltalk.com ) on my Ubuntu. Is it possible to do this?
[09:29] <el_cap> I cant even open the networking tool thing
[09:29] <nekostar> following that guide and im at the bottom of the page
[09:29] <el_cap> I cant connect to the internet as a result
[09:29] <el_cap> so if anyone has a way to make it so that it works or I'll just uninstall it
[09:30] <frying_fish> AdGol: maybe if it runs under wine
[09:30] <AdGol> yes, I tried but I couldn't do it
[09:30] <AdGol> it ran but not in 100%
[09:30] <nekostar> mysqladmin -u root password yourrootsqlpassword
[09:30] <nekostar> thats the command listed
[09:30] <Iceman241> First Ubuntu release i am ready to remove and replace with windows, completle worthless
[09:30] <nekostar> but its saying that it doesnt understand command "password"
[09:30] <nekostar> wtc
[09:31] <frying_fish> AdGol: well then no, since its not windows.
[09:31] <AdGol> ok
[09:31] <frying_fish> Iceman241: if you say so, I found it more useful than windows, infact on all 3 of my boxes I have a total of 0 windows installs.
[09:32] <Iceman241> cannot get the Nvidia driver installed, so this release is worthless
[09:32] <frying_fish> Iceman241: you do know its in the repositories right, so you can just get it from nvidia-glx
[09:32] <frying_fish> you don't have to play with the one from nvidia themselves.
[09:32] <Iceman241> frying_fish i used hoary, and breezy, but dapper sucks,
[09:32] <el_cap> So noone is going to offer to help me
[09:32] <sam_> How to you auto load gdesklets so it only loads the applets and not the whole program..kinda mean in like silent mode
[09:32] <Madpilot> Iceman241, have you checked the bug reports for you issue, or filed new ones?
[09:32] <x_O> el_cap:  with what?
[09:32] <frying_fish> Iceman241: if you say so, dapper is infinitely better than breezy though for most
[09:33] <frying_fish> why don't you actually check you aren't doing something stupid.
[09:33] <x_O> el_cap: What problem are you having?
[09:33] <el_cap> whenever i try to use sudo I get sudo: must be setuid
[09:33] <Iceman241> frying_fish not after fighting the nvidia driver for 10 hours and getting noplace
[09:33] <el_cap> or smething like that
[09:33] <el_cap> I cant open anything that requires a password
[09:33] <el_cap> I cant access things like the admin>networking thing
[09:33] <x_O> el_cap ... oh. then i have no idea. was hpoing it was something easy lol
[09:33] <el_cap> to switch my ethernet on
[09:33] <frying_fish> Iceman241: ok, but I know of most people having got it installed in like 30s
[09:33] <Madpilot> el_cap, are you logged in as the use you created during installation?
[09:34] <el_cap> yes
[09:34] <frying_fish> did you sort out your xorg.conf and such
[09:34] <el_cap> the only user
[09:34] <x_O> el_cap : Have you searched the forums for ... the error u r getting?
[09:34] <sam_> How to you auto load gdesklets so it only loads the applets and not the whole program..kinda mean in like silent mode
[09:34] <Madpilot> el_cap, in a terminal, type "groups" w/o the ""
[09:34] <Iceman241> frying_fish fought and fought it, heck breezy and hoary took mere minutes.
[09:34] <Madpilot> el_cap, and tell us if "admin" is listed on the line you get back
[09:34] <el_cap> I'll have to logout of windows first
[09:35] <el_cap> so could you till me what to do if its not like that?
[09:35] <Iceman241> frying_fish without the nvidia driver the install is worthless
[09:35] <frying_fish> el_cap: reboot into single mode, then type passwd root
[09:35] <Kanpachi> hello, i'm going to install dapper on my new computer, but i was wondering, which fileysystem should i use? i heard people saying ext3 is slow, and xfs/reiserFS is fater and better. which one is better to use?
[09:35] <frying_fish> and then you can just do "su" if sudo is broken due to networking issues
[09:35] <el_cap> single mode?
[09:35] <frying_fish> Iceman241: but the nvidia driver isn't broken, its clearly you aren't doing it correctly
[09:36] <frying_fish> a simple apt-get install nvidia-glx and then edit of your xorg.conf to have nvidia not nv would be enough
[09:36] <nocti> el_cap: what's the initial prob
[09:36] <Iceman241> frying_fish can't agree, i even gave ssh root access to someone, and they could not get it to work
[09:36] <sam_> anyone?
[09:36] <el_cap> I was just trying to put new skins for amsn in its folder
[09:37] <el_cap> I didnt have persmission to that
[09:37] <el_cap> I did what I was told to here
[09:37] <el_cap> now nothing works
[09:37] <Kanpachi> hello, i'm going to install dapper on my new computer, but i was wondering, which fileysystem should i use? i heard people saying ext3 is slow, and xfs/reiserFS is fater and better. which one is better to use?
[09:37] <frying_fish> Iceman241: card to new? either that or you probably broke something more funadmental.
[09:37] <cbx33> hey peeps, got a problem on a live cd
[09:37] <Madpilot> el_cap, what were you told to do here?
[09:37] <cbx33> I can't copy to any network resource
[09:37] <el_cap> chown something or other
[09:37] <Iceman241> frying_fish stupid onboard video, got to install to onboard, then reconfigure the nvidia drivers, then reboot, then reset bios, then reboot again
[09:37] <cafuego> Kanpachi: ext3 is well supported. This is a good thing.
[09:37] <sam_> Anyone?!
[09:37] <nocti> el_cap: and?
[09:37] <Madpilot> el_cap, chown what, exactly? sudo chown can be a dangerous command...
[09:37] <Kanpachi> well supported with what exactly?
[09:38] <el_cap> yeah
[09:38] <frying_fish> Iceman241: so maybe its not picking up the correct busid's and such
[09:38] <el_cap> I dont know
[09:38] <el_cap> because I'm in windows now
[09:38] <el_cap> so I cant check
[09:38] <cafuego> Kanpachi: Lots of _mature_ recovery tools.
[09:38] <Iceman241> yea the busid is the issue, all i can see
[09:38] <Kanpachi> oh gotcha
[09:38] <el_cap> it just says sudo: must be setuid now
[09:38] <Kanpachi> what about xfs/resierFS?
[09:38] <Kanpachi> why do people swoon over them so much?
[09:38] <frying_fish> Iceman241: then lspci, get the id and such and fix it.
[09:38] <frying_fish> simple.
[09:38] <Madpilot> el_cap, you don't remember what you used chown on?
[09:39] <holycow> because they rock
[09:39] <nocti> el_cap: did the skins came in a tarball?
[09:39] <cafuego> Kanpachi: Mostly people who don't need to restore them.
[09:39] <el_cap> yeah
[09:39] <el_cap> but the skins arnt in the folder now
[09:39] <el_cap> all I want
[09:39] <el_cap> is to be able to use it
[09:39] <holycow> Kanpachi, super stable, super reliable.
[09:39] <Iceman241> 000:01:09.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x]  (rev c1)
[09:39] <el_cap> I am thinking its just easier to uninstall it
[09:39] <sam_> How to you auto load gdesklets so it only loads the applets and not the whole program..kinda mean in like silent mode
[09:39] <Kanpachi> holycow, you're talking about ext3, are you?
[09:40] <nocti> el_cap: tell me how you got it in the first place as im not usng amsn
[09:40] <holycow> also each has its own tuning that makes it great for certain workloads, reiser is wicked at working with small files.  super fast
[09:40] <el_cap> because if I'm not allowed to move folders around
[09:40] <Madpilot> el_cap, you shouldn't need to use sudo just to add skins to an app
[09:40] <holycow> Kanpachi, not at all ext3 is garbage
[09:40] <el_cap> then maybe its not worth using
[09:40] <holycow> just mho :)
[09:40] <el_cap> It says I dont have permission
[09:40] <Iceman241> frying_fish that would be what ? 0000:01:09.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x]  (rev c1)
[09:40] <el_cap> and only owner has permission to write
[09:40] <Kanpachi> so which one are you talking about holycow? xfs or ReiserFS?
[09:40] <holycow> both
[09:41] <nocti> el_cap: how did you install the skin, tell it from the start
[09:41] <Kanpachi> oh, so i can go with both?
[09:41] <Kanpachi> neither one is better than the other?
[09:41] <cafuego> Kanpachi: See, there an example of someone without a clue ;-)
[09:41] <holycow> Kanpachi, as with anything, google both, google the good and bad of both
[09:41] <el_cap> nocti, can pm you
[09:41] <nocti> sam_: add to your ~/.xinitrc "gdesklets &"
[09:41] <el_cap> I
[09:41] <holycow> there is no magic solution
[09:41] <Kanpachi> how come cafuego?
[09:41] <nocti> el_cap: sure go
[09:41] <frying_fish> Iceman241: PCI:0:1:9
[09:41] <holycow> you need to understand the tool before implementing it
[09:41] <frying_fish> if it works similar to how mine is.
[09:42] <holycow> for me reiser is the best file system, it suits my needs. caf is just biased.
[09:42] <frying_fish> one warning, you can't use XFS for /
[09:42] <frying_fish> unless you have /boot as something else
[09:42] <frying_fish> because grub cannot read xfs, or can it now?
[09:42] <Kanpachi> oh
[09:42] <Kanpachi> can it read resierfs?
[09:42] <frying_fish> Kanpachi: yeah reiser is fine, I have mine as reiser
[09:43] <Kanpachi> oh ok
[09:43] <Kanpachi> would you recommend having a /home partition as resier?
[09:43] <holycow> yes it can
[09:43] <holycow> i've used reiser exclusively for ages
[09:43] <frying_fish> ok, last I knew it couldn't read xfs for /boot
[09:43] <Iceman241> frying_fish check the pm ?
[09:43] <frying_fish> Iceman241: if you had actually sent me one sure.
[09:43] <Kanpachi> is it really faster than ext3?
[09:44] <AbortD> anyone know if internet explorer 5 works in ie?
[09:44] <AbortD> er in wine
[09:44] <AbortD> sorry
[09:44] <frying_fish> 6 does afaik
[09:44] <nocti> sam_: add to your ~/.xinitrc "gdesklets &"
[09:44] <holycow> Kanpachi, most of those sorts of measurements depend on what andhow you are measuring
[09:44] <AbortD> afaik?
[09:44] <frying_fish> as far as I know
[09:44] <holycow> Kanpachi, read various google reports and comparisons.  very helpfull
[09:45] <Kanpachi> thanx
[09:45] <Iceman241> frying_fish your not getting im's
[09:46] <Madpilot> Iceman241, you need to be registered & identified to send IMs on Freenode
[09:46] <frying_fish> Iceman241: not from you.
[09:46] <Iceman241> im registered
[09:46] <frying_fish> I'm registered and logged in
[09:46] <Iceman241> brb
[09:46] <Madpilot> Iceman241, but you're not identified to services
[09:47] <sam_> nocti, can you explain what you mean plz
[09:47] <sam_>  sam_: add to your ~/.xinitrc "gdesklets &"
[09:48] <nocti> sam_: open a terminal, nano -w .xinitrc, add a line that says "gdesklets &"
[09:49] <Iceman241> shows you got a PM, but
[09:49] <firenx> ok, where is the best tutorial for XGL?.. theres so many
[09:49] <frying_fish> you get that?
[09:49] <Iceman241> !pastebin
[09:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:50] <thoreauputic> nocti: ~/.xinitrc is only read if you atartx from a tty - the Debian equivalent would be ~/.xsession, and that is only read if you select the system default session from gdm
[09:50] <thoreauputic> *startx
[09:51] <nocti> thoreauputic: ah yes, default gnome here
[09:51] <thoreauputic> thyen .xsession, not .xinitrc
[09:51] <thoreauputic> and as I said, only if you select the default in sessions
[09:53] <thoreauputic> unless you point /usr/share/xsessions/foo.desktop at the script
[09:54] <Iceman241> anyone here a wiz at the nvidia driver and ssh access, that can get this thing to work.
[09:55] <thoreauputic> nocti: for gnome, better to put start up commands in ~/.gnomerc
[09:55] <nocti> thoreauputic: i dont have .xsession only .xsession-errors
[09:56] <thoreauputic> nocti: of course - the file needs to be created :)
[09:56] <Iceman241> anyone willing to ssh install the nvidia drivers ? please, i have tried for over 10 hours
[09:56] <nocti> :)
[09:56] <thoreauputic> nocti: but see my comment about ~/.gnomerc
[09:56] <thoreauputic> which also won't exist unless you make it :)
[09:56] <nocti> thoreauputic: fluxbox
[09:56] <nocti> i do it from .fluxbox/startup
[09:57] <thoreauputic> nocti: ah you have taste :)
[09:57] <thoreauputic> yep fair enough
[09:57] <nocti> thoreauputic: nope. just old. eye candy hurts my eyes
[09:57] <thoreauputic> heheh - I like fluxbox too :)
[09:57] <Jebho> how do you change folder permissions if they are owned by root (how do you 'become' root in the folders gui)
[09:58] <nocti> thoreauputic: yep, old farts like us usually do :)
[09:58] <thoreauputic> Jebho: a better question would be based on what you are actually trying to do :)
[09:58] <thoreauputic> nocti: :)
[09:58] <Jebho> well a folder i have on a drive is owned by root
[09:59] <thoreauputic> Jebho: and you want to do what?
[09:59] <Jebho> i am an administrator user, but seeing how this is only my computer, i'd like to be able to change permissions to that folder
[09:59] <thoreauputic> Jebho: and which "folder" ?
[10:00] <kendals> Hey guys- just want to give a shout out to tseliot who fixed my woes relating to failure of X Server :P
[10:00] <thoreauputic> Jebho: permissions are there for good reasons in *nix
[10:00] <Jebho> its a folder on my data partition - accessible from windows and ubuntu that contains info i dont want others without the password to be able to change
[10:01] <Jebho> well, or read
[10:01] <nocti> Jebho: edit /etc/fstab uid=nnn,gid=nnn
[10:01] <thoreauputic> Jebho: normally you would create a group, add yourself to it, and set permissions so that only that group can read it
[10:02] <Jebho> ok
[10:02] <nocti> Jebho: you can chmod it too
[10:02] <nocti> Jebho: and chown
[10:02] <Jebho> yeah i know that stuff, the stuff was just disabled under graphical file browser view
[10:02] <Jebho> because it was owned by root
[10:03] <Jebho> and not the user i am under
[10:03] <thoreauputic> Jebho: if you must, you can run  gksudo nautilus - but be *very* careful if you do
[10:04] <nocti> Jebho: why gui? use the terminal
[10:04] <nocti> Jebho: you can inaverdently drag something under a rooted nautilus and that's it
[10:04] <Jebho> legacy windows guy :(
[10:04] <thoreauputic> nocti: i agree - just telling him it was possible
[10:05] <thoreauputic> nocti: hence my dire warning :)
[10:05] <Jebho> but dont worry, once i get my wireless card working
[10:05] <Jebho> bye bye xp
[10:05] <thoreauputic> ;)
[10:06] <nocti> thoreauputic: :)
[10:07] <Jebho> problem with the terminal...not afriad of it, just unfamiliar with commands
[10:07] <Jebho> lack of experience
[10:08] <thoreauputic> Jebho:  http://tuxfiles.org  , and man intro
[10:08] <X-ray> damn I lost connection :)
[10:08] <X-ray> orphean, I'm trying that tutorial right now...
[10:08] <nocti> Jebho: there are things you can do on a terminal that you can't do via a right click. and what you're planning of doing (umask of a dir) is usually done best in a term
[10:08] <X-ray> so basicly what it does is define a new kind of file system and then using it?
[10:08] <thoreauputic> Jebho: also  sudo apt-get install apt-howto && apt-howto  :)
[10:09] <babyubuntu> hi
[10:09] <emesgee> Hey
[10:09] <Jebho> yeah i know this
[10:10] <babyubuntu> I have winxp & ubuntu on my harddisk, I want to reinstall my winxp. Will my ubuntu lost?
[10:10] <nocti> Jebho: i usually reserve arranging pr0n using a filemanager, but that's just me
[10:10] <emesgee> I have a bad problem with apt-get >_<
[10:10] <emesgee> babyubuntu: depends if they are on different partitions
[10:10] <fyrestrtr> babyubuntu: no, but you'll have to reinstall grub.
[10:10] <Jebho> nocti:  ha, no its only me using my cpu
[10:11] <Jebho> nocti:  its the financial stuff i'm worried about
[10:11] <CVirus> how can I use apt-get to install local .deb packages ?
[10:11] <babyubuntu> how do i reinstall grub with affecting my existing ubuntu?
[10:11] <nocti> Jebho: well goodluck then
[10:11] <Jebho> nocti:  but thanks for the assumption
[10:11] <fyrestrtr> !grub
[10:11] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:11] <emesgee> CVirus: dpkg
[10:11] <CVirus> emesgee: what about deps ?
[10:12] <emesgee> dep? not sure
[10:12] <thoreauputic> CVirus: you don't - you use  sudo dpkg -i /path/to/nameofdeb
[10:12] <Jebho> nocti:  i had a buddy with some ident theft probs and that stuff totally freaks me out
[10:12] <babyubuntu> so if I reinstall my winxp and I reinstall grub, the existing ubuntu will be the same? I'm I right?
[10:12] <CVirus> thoreauputic: deps ?
[10:12] <thoreauputic> CVirus: although in Dapper you can now just click on it and gdebi will run
[10:12] <CVirus> thoreauputic: Kubuntu here
[10:12] <thoreauputic> CVirus: what is this package?
[10:13] <CVirus> thoreauputic: democracyplayer
[10:13] <thoreauputic> CVirus: should install OK with dpkg I think
[10:13] <CVirus> thoreauputic: will you tell me how to resolve deps for a local package ?
[10:13] <thoreauputic> CVirus: if not the deps are fairly straightforward
[10:14] <thoreauputic> CVirus: dpkg will tell you what is missing
[10:14] <BHSPitLappy> I need to turn off using the ALT key to move a window, hopefully just for a specific window/program. it's interfering with a game.
[10:14] <thoreauputic> if anything
[10:14] <emesgee> apt-get keeps saying it needs to reinstall a package but it can't find an archive for it. I installed the package with apt-get. how can I fix this? its not letting me use apt-get at all
[10:14] <CVirus> thoreauputic: I know it will .. I dont want to resolve them manually
[10:14] <emesgee> *I installed this package with dpkg sry
[10:14] <iceman> fudge, after 10 freaking hours and never getting the Nvidia drive, back to windows forget dapper
[10:15] <thoreauputic> CVirus: well, democracyplayer is outside the repos - surely the web page tells you what it depends on?
[10:15] <CVirus> thoreauputic: that doesnt answer my question
[10:15] <iceman> Ill try an install on my dell hypertheading system this compaq sucks
[10:15] <CVirus> thoreauputic: how can I resolve the deps automaticaly for a local package
[10:15] <thoreauputic> CVirus: it isn't magic - you can't wave a wand and have apt do stuff it isn't designed to do
[10:16] <CVirus> thoreauputic: now that answers my question :-)
[10:16] <thoreauputic> heh
[10:16] <Jebho> i don't know if its me or the bottle of wine i had tonight, but does anyone else feel stupid playing connect4 against the os
[10:17] <emesgee> can someone please help me :c
[10:17] <martinz> just found a bug in nautilus?/ubuntu?/fat32 system?
[10:17] <martinz> not sure where it comes from, still found a bug
[10:17] <emesgee> martinz: elaborate
[10:18] <martinz> when I create a folder called "ACDC" (just like that and only that in all uppercase) on a fat32 partition in nautilus, then close nautilus and go back, the folder name is then all lower case... just occurs with "ACDC" though that is the funny thing
[10:19] <emesgee> haha...
[10:19] <martinz> where to put the "bug"?
[10:20] <emesgee> reminds me of the notepad.exe bug that messes up your text if you type something like "this app can break" "bush hid the facts" etc
[10:20] <duckdown> Can someone tell me how I can use my vga.pcf.gz (the ANSI font) in gnome-terminal ?
[10:20] <nocti> martinz: yep, that's a bug
[10:20] <CVirus> thoreauputic: to do what I wanted to do I had to put the .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives and then apt-get install it
[10:20] <martinz> nocti: where shall I send it to / file it?
[10:20] <nocti> martinz: try creating a folder using a terminal
[10:21] <thoreauputic> CVirus: yes, that sometimes works
[10:21] <Madpilot> martinz: bugs.ubuntu.com - search first
[10:21] <thoreauputic> CVirus: but not necessarily :)
[10:21] <nocti> martinz: just hide that "bug" for the moment. :D
[10:22] <emesgee> meanwhile, is there any way I can like master reset apt-get
[10:22] <Jebho> martinz:  thats not just for acds
[10:22] <Jebho> acdc*
[10:22] <emesgee> its stuck on this rogue package thats not connected to any archive
[10:22] <thoreauputic> CVirus: apt still needs to know where the deps are so if one of them isn't in the repos you are out of luck
[10:22] <nUmbskuLL_f> eLo
[10:22] <Jebho> its all caps named folders
[10:23] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[10:23] <CVirus> thoreauputic: exactly
[10:23] <rysiek|pl> got a strange issue here (actually, my friend does), here's the log:
[10:23] <emesgee> apparently I have some rare obscure bug that nobody knows how to fix >_<
[10:23] <martinz> ok, will "hide" the bug ;)
[10:23] <rysiek|pl> http://wklej.org/id/14b07dd695
[10:24] <rysiek|pl> and have no idea what to do with that
[10:24] <kindor> hello
[10:24] <emesgee> hi
[10:25] <kindor> what lightweight program can i use to view (only view) word and excel documents in ubuntu? i cannot use openoffice because its to heavy
[10:25] <brendonjt> hi ya all  edgy  looks cool
[10:26] <FirstStrike> edgy isn't all that 'edgy' in my opinion :P
[10:26] <brendonjt> i like it , iit is cool
[10:26] <nocti> kindor: abiword
[10:26] <kindor> thanks nocti
[10:26] <brendonjt> the new xchat is good has spell checker in it
[10:27] <Jebho> anyone else here use gaim for irc?
[10:27] <thoreauputic> kindor: that does doc - for excel you need gnumeric i think
[10:27] <emesgee> I used mIRC on WINE
[10:28] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[10:28] <emesgee> mIRC on WINE was the ugliest thing ever
[10:28] <emesgee> but it ran great, autologging was the reason I used it
[10:28] <nocti> thoreauputic: i use cat for .xls
[10:29] <brendonjt> windows apps under wine are yuk
[10:29] <rysiek|pl> windows apps are yuk
[10:29] <rysiek|pl> wine has nothing to do with it :)
[10:29] <Jebho> well im out for the night, i really appreciate all your help guys, especially you thoreauputic
[10:29] <emesgee> except Maya
[10:29] <thoreauputic> nocti: and you program the machine with plugs and cables, right ? *g*
[10:30] <Jebho> you guys are good at putting up with noobies
[10:30] <thoreauputic> Jebho: you're welcome - see you around :)
[10:30] <usuario> bui9gnbaev5
[10:30] <emesgee> they're not very good at answering my question :c
[10:30] <usuario> bjmbryh
[10:30] <WinterWeaver> hey everyone ^_^
[10:30] <usuario> brevb
[10:30] <nocti> thoreauputic: yep. im a strange one. no wonder i can't do much work around here
[10:30] <brendonjt> winterweaver: kia ora welcome
[10:30] <shinobi2> i am trying to do a diff, problem is one file has ^M as return key when i do 'cat -v file.txt'  how can i fix the ^M on my file.txt?
[10:30] <FirstStrike> and also looks and runs much better than mIRC
[10:30] <WinterWeaver> I have a question, which I'm sure you guys have heard a lot....
[10:31] <martinz> hi, by accident, I deleted my ACDC folder (had one album underneath)... is it possible to restore it easily (FAT32)?
[10:31] <martinz> didn't really wipe it
[10:31] <nocti> rysiek|pl: windows apps are yuk? people like you want me to take up arms
[10:31] <martinz> just "normal" delete
[10:31] <napoleon1> I have a question regarding easyubuntu. i installed it (successfully) the other day with nvidia and multimedia codecs ticked. This was on a system with 2.6.15*-386. Now that I'm using the 2.6.15*686 kernel instead, I'm unable to use the nvidia driver (different kernel), and I'm unable to reinstall it via easyubuntu (greyed box.) Is there documentation for easyubuntu on manual installation (without frontend) of packages?
[10:31] <WinterWeaver> I don't have write permission on my NTFS partition (I'm running a dual boot)
[10:31] <Healot> !ntfs
[10:31] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[10:31] <thoreauputic> napoleon1: I think you need to read the wiki nvidia howto
[10:32] <thoreauputic> !nvidia
[10:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:32] <FirstStrike> !fuse > WinterWeaver
[10:32] <Kitsune-Gaki> good morning ^^
[10:32] <thoreauputic> !ntfs-3g
[10:32] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Dapper installation instructions http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710
[10:32] <emesgee> !apt-get
[10:32] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[10:32] <usuario> nb vnb
[10:32] <usuario>  odna dmoegvr
[10:33] <usuario> bfbfpbdggb
[10:33] <Kitsune-Gaki> Is it normal that I don't have a /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant on a freshly installed Ubuntu 6.06 O.o
[10:33] <napoleon1> thoreauputic: I'd like to use the approach that easyubuntu uses, but i can't find documentation on it. I've manually installed nvidia drivers on my etch system in the past (successfully,) but I'm curious as to how it's done with easyubuntu
[10:33] <WinterWeaver> thanks
[10:33] <rysiek|pl> nocti: yes, windows apps are yuk.
[10:33] <hadi> hi all
[10:34] <hadi> whats 'a mean LTS (ubuntu 6.06 LTS)?
[10:34] <Healot> hey
[10:34] <thoreauputic> napoleon1: ah, well I guess you need to ask the easyubuntu devs - nalioth is one I think, or look on their page
[10:34] <brendonjt> windows is yuk, had to work on a machine today  but i have convinced the person in a week to install ubuntu
[10:34] <rysiek|pl> nocti: remember that "yuk" refers to a subjective opinion, not an objective criterion :)
[10:34] <Healot> no bashing here, btw, please discuss linux/ubuntu stuff
[10:34] <martinz> hadi: long term support
[10:34] <kindor> is there something wrong with the package servers?
[10:34] <napoleon1> nalioth: I have a question regarding easyubuntu. i installed it (successfully) the other day with nvidia and multimedia codecs ticked. This was on a system with 2.6.15*-386. Now that I'm using the 2.6.15*686 kernel instead, I'm unable to use the nvidia driver (different kernel), and I'm unable to reinstall it via easyubuntu (greyed box.) Is there documentation for easyubuntu on manual installation (without frontend) of pac
[10:34] <napoleon1> kages?
[10:34] <napoleon1> thoreauputic: thanks :)
[10:34] <hadi> martinz: great :)
[10:35] <kindor> it keeps on "97% [7 Packages bzip2 0] bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file."
[10:35] <nocti> rysiek|pl: yes. and that's coming from a windows guy who just switched a week ago just for the simple reason that he can tell the world he uses nix. you embarass the community to hell.
[10:35] <RichEd> greetz all
[10:35] <epitaf-laptop> When I try to run a game I get "./Rollemup: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.2.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" Any ideas?
[10:35] <thoreauputic> napoleon1: oh, there's a #easyubuntu too IIRC
[10:35] <RichEd> user request: Ubuntu adaptive capacity for blind and visually and impaired ... pointers please anyone ??
[10:35] <thoreauputic> napoleon1: yup
[10:35] <gary> Has anyone used ie4linux and wine to get IE working in ubuntu?
[10:36] <napoleon1> thoreauputic: i was in there the other night fielding the same question, but the cricket chirps are strong in that channel
[10:36] <rysiek|pl> nocti: why thank you, I have switched 3.5 years ago to linux - that is irrelevant IMHO
[10:36] <rysiek|pl> nocti: I mean: the time one "switched".
[10:36] <thoreauputic> napoleon1: heheh - yes well , time zones maybe
[10:36] <nocti> rysiek|pl: im sure you did.
[10:37] <rysiek|pl> whatever
[10:37] <emesgee> everyone: how do I reset apt-get
[10:38] <emesgee> arghmin
[10:38] <emesgee> can someone PLEASE at least give me a link, something, I'm stuck -_-
[10:39] <emesgee> apt-get won't work until it reinstalls this package, a package that isn't in any archive, that I want gone
[10:39] <Healot> apt-get clean
[10:39] <emesgee> hrm
[10:39] <emesgee> didn't work :c
[10:39] <napoleon1> emesgee: aptitude purge <package>
[10:40] <napoleon1> emesgee: or mark for purgation (?) while using the gui
[10:40] <napoleon1> emesgee: aptitude should then list broken dependencies that you can resolve
[10:40] <emesgee> hrm argh
[10:40] <thoreauputic> napoleon1: is that under "purgatory" in the synaptic GUI ? *g*
[10:40] <emesgee> thanks but apt-get hates me
[10:40] <emesgee> E: The package jedit needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[10:41] <napoleon1> thoreauputic: (=
[10:42] <Rico> quick question: is there any clipboard app i can download, so i don't have to have the source of the copy open to paste something?
[10:42] <Rico> i.e. you copy a url in firefox, close it, go to paste it somewhere else - nothing.
[10:42] <emesgee> gnome-clipboard
[10:42] <Rico> cheers
[10:42] <emesgee> i think
[10:43] <Rico> !gnome-clipboard
[10:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnome-clipboard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:43] <emesgee> here you go
[10:43] <emesgee> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_Clipboard_Daemon_for_GNOME
[10:43] <Rico> thanks
[10:43] <emesgee> np
[10:44] <borup> I cannot get my Dell 2407WFP monitor to enter 1900x1200
[10:44] <thoreauputic> !fixres
[10:44] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:44] <Rico> hmm, it doesn't seem to work.
[10:45] <emesgee> does it say "Abort"
[10:45] <borup> I've tried everything FixVideoResolutionHowto except 855resolution which doesn't seem to exist
[10:45] <emesgee> if so then you have to do each line at a time, because when it asks for [Y/n]  you're also copying the next line :P
[10:45] <emesgee> (during install)
[10:46] <DennyCrane> I just yanked the crappy broadcom minipci out of my laptop and replaced it with a more linux friendly ipw2200bg, is there anything on the ubuntu side I should do to make everything play nicely? its working at the moment anyway, im just thinking house-keeping wise
[10:46] <Rico> emesgee: if you're talking to me, the daemon is running, it just doesn't work
[10:46] <emesgee> oh
[10:46] <thoreauputic> borup: I would ask on the ubuntu-users mailing list - someone has probably done it
[10:46] <Rico> but thanks anyway
[10:46] <thoreauputic> borup: you might have to get out your trusty editor
[10:46] <emesgee> tis okay, I'm just bored trying to get my stupid problem to be fixed >:3
[10:46] <jgonzalez> hi
[10:47] <nocti> emesgee: did you just dpkg jedit?
[10:47] <sanso> #ubuntu-dev
[10:47] <emesgee> yeah
[10:47] <sanso> whoops. sorry
[10:47] <nocti> emesgee: so what's broke?
[10:47] <borup> thoreauputic: I did - HorizSync and VertRefresh made no difference
[10:47] <melon> ok - new problem.. it appears that all my problems revolve around the dvd burner not being mounted.. it's through usb.. is this something that can be done automatically?
[10:47] <jgonzalez> when i use "print to file" in openoffice from ubuntu dapper, it says me that "can't print", i have all ps utils installed, what could happen ? i have the same problem in 5 ubuntus
[10:47] <emesgee> nocti: when I use apt-get it says it needs to reinstall Jedit but it can't find the archive for it
[10:48] <thoreauputic> borup: hmmm - seriously, sign up for the list - it's very high traffic and you will probably get an answer
[10:48] <CVirus> is it safe to rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg ?
[10:48] <emesgee> E: The package jedit needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[10:48] <thoreauputic> CVirus: no
[10:48] <emesgee> CVirus: lol
[10:48] <nocti> emesgee: maybe you have to update your repositories and add something that points to jedit's deb file
[10:48] <X-ray> hey guys
[10:48] <eyequeue> CVirus, mo more so than / :)
[10:48] <X-ray> I got a issue with amaroK, it doesn't play my mp3 files
[10:48] <emesgee> nocti: okay... but when I tried to remove it it said it was in very bad shape
[10:49] <CVirus> eyequeue: LOL
[10:49] <thoreauputic> X-ray: have you installed libxine-extracodecs  ?
[10:49] <X-ray> using the xine engine it doesn't work :(
[10:49] <X-ray> dno
[10:49] <thoreauputic> X-ray: if not, do so
[10:49] <nocti> emesgee: hehe. that's apt for you :) try dpkg -r?
[10:49] <X-ray> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs???
[10:49] <sanso> when booting (edgy), my system says it can't find a swap space signature. I have manually mkswap'ed, tried using UUID="", LABEL="" and /dev/sda5 in /etc/fstab, but to no avail. - Any hints?
[10:49] <eyequeue> CVirus, glad you took it in the spirit intended :)
[10:49] <thoreauputic> X-ray: yes
[10:50] <X-ray> ok
[10:50] <X-ray> thx
[10:50] <eyequeue> sanso, #ubuntu+1 for edgy
[10:50] <emesgee>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[10:50] <emesgee>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[10:50] <sanso> eyequeue, cheers, I'll go there.
[10:50] <thoreauputic> X-ray: without the multiple question marks *g*
[10:50] <emesgee> :c
[10:50] <nocti> emesgee: is that apt or dpkg talking?
[10:50] <opexoc> Can anybody tell me if all source code of ubuntu is available on internet?
[10:50] <emesgee> nocti: dpkg
[10:50] <eyequeue> emesgee, i hate that error
[10:50] <emesgee> opexoc: yes
[10:50] <nocti> emesgee: hmm
[10:51] <eyequeue> emesgee, expectg a royal pain, manually rm'ing files, but i'll give a tiny hint
[10:51] <eyequeue> emesgee, sometimes "sudo apt-get --reinstall install foo" is handy, once or twice
[10:52] <X-ray> thoreauputic, ???
[10:52] <thoreauputic> X-ray: !!!
[10:52] <X-ray> what question marks
[10:52] <X-ray> ?
[10:52] <X-ray> LOL
[10:53] <X-ray> either way I can't find the package
[10:53] <thoreauputic> X-ray:  >> from before  X-ray sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs???
[10:53] <nocti> emesgee: is jre plugin for firefox installed?
[10:53] <emesgee> nocti: yes
[10:53] <thoreauputic> !libxine-extracodecs
[10:53] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[10:53] <thoreauputic> X-ray: you need to enable multiverse
[10:53] <thoreauputic> !repos
[10:53] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[10:53] <X-ray> thoreauputic: ok
[10:54] <nocti> emesgee: you're fucked
[10:54] <thoreauputic> !language
[10:54] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:54] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:54] <emesgee> nocti: I thought so
[10:54] <eyequeue> !language > nocti
[10:54] <opexoc> hm... I am wondering if some who has some piece of GPL free sofware ( for example linux kernel ) and add to this software some own new software ( and it is not a part of this GPL software ) have to show all source code of this GPL softaware and this his own software ( Does this new own software is on GPL licence too? )?
[10:54] <X-ray> thoreauputic: how do I enable it?
[10:54] <nocti> emesgee: google around. im leaving. goodluck
[10:54] <emesgee> nocti: I just reinstalled ubuntu anyway so its no biggie I just wanted to solve the problem for if it ever happened again
[10:55] <eyequeue> emesgee, it's not that desparate, though not good either
[10:55] <thoreauputic> X-ray: do you know how to edit /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[10:55] <X-ray> yes I do
[10:55] <X-ray> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:55] <nocti> emesgee: there's a howto in http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper#How_to_install_jedit
[10:55] <thoreauputic> X-ray: easiest way is to add the word at the end of your universe lines
[10:56] <thoreauputic> with a space of course before it
[10:56] <emesgee> nocti: yeah thats what I used :3
[10:56] <X-ray> just add " multiverse" without quotes?
[10:56] <nocti> emesgee: in case you'll reinstall later
[10:56] <X-ray> k
[10:56] <thoreauputic> X-ray: yes, to each universe line
[10:56] <nocti> emesgee: haha, you're indeed fscked :D
[10:56] <emesgee> nocti: lol
[10:56] <Khobar> hello
[10:56] <X-ray> define universe? LOL
[10:56] <e-type> hi all
[10:56] <_Nameeater> opeqoc: you might want to try asking in somewhere like #gnu its not really Ubuntu related, or you could try #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:56] <_Nameeater> arg.
[10:57] <_Nameeater> opexoc: you have a strange name and that last message was for you ;)
[10:57] <thoreauputic> X-ray: heh - try going to System- Admin - Software Properties  instead
[10:57] <thoreauputic> X-ray: and enable everything there
[10:57] <Khobar> can somoen help me with a little thing?
[10:57] <opexoc> _Nameeater: ok thx:)
[10:58] <Khobar> ubuntu automaticly changes my dns every couple seconds :/
[10:58] <WinterWeaver> O.o
[10:58] <Khobar> i have to have dns like this ( operator gave me those ) : <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:58] <Khobar> and ubuntu changes me it to <IP_ADDRESS> :/
[10:58] <Jack_Frost_esq> Hi can anyone help my setup dual monitors on dapper drake
[10:58] <thoreauputic> Khobar: more likely your router is overwriting it
[10:58] <Khobar> i tried to change it mannually in etc/resolv.conf
[10:59] <ompaul> Khobar, your router is advertising 0.2
[10:59] <mimo> Hi, I installed edgy in a chroot environment and now I want to boot from it instead of my dapper system, any hint on how shall I configure grub to do this?
[10:59] <Vanique> is there any master of disaster who would like to solve my f**king big problem ? ;/
[10:59] <Khobar> and even sudo chmod 644 /etc/resolv.conf
[10:59] <Khobar> well the point is ...operator gave me some IP's gateways etc. on winxp it works fine
[11:00] <eyequeue> Vanique, perhaps repeat it?
[11:00] <ompaul> Khobar, did you read what you were told? if you do ifconfig the odds are you will see your IP is 192.168.0.?
[11:00] <Chandu> hi , can anyone tell about ubuntu package versioning policy -- suppose if it is 1.1.15 what does it mean
[11:00] <e-type> Jack_Frost_esq: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors
[11:00] <ompaul> Khobar, the IPs you qoute are not routable
[11:01] <Khobar> true I set my IP to <IP_ADDRESS> to allow roommates to connect to intrenet in near future
[11:01] <Jack_Frost_esq> kewl thanks e-type
[11:01] <ompaul> Khobar, i.e. not on the internet they are for NAT (Network address translation)
[11:01] <napoleon1> thoreauputic: i sorted it out :) I had to install the appropriate restricted-drivers package for the new kernel (via aptitude install linux-686)
[11:01] <Vanique> eyequeue: http://wklej.org/id/49a6cb5755    <--- just take a look at this log  :/
[11:01] <thoreauputic> napoleon1: aha !
[11:01] <thoreauputic> napoleon1: I should have thought of that :(
[11:02] <Khobar> so what shall I do?
[11:02] <eyequeue> Vanique, i doubt this is it, but do this for me (non-destructive)
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Khobar: you are trying to be on a different subnet - won't work without routing it
[11:03] <Vanique> eyequeue: pardon ?
[11:03] <eyequeue> Vanique, df -h (don't paste it here)
[11:03] <Vanique> okay
[11:03] <Vanique> :)
[11:03] <eyequeue> Vanique, is anything at 100%?
[11:03] <Khobar> so....what shall i do...I'm really confused
[11:03] <eyequeue> Vanique, that's all that i can think of, and i don't think it's the issue, but worth asking
[11:04] <Vanique> but im not sure if i got what you want me to do
[11:04] <FirstStrike> !pastebin > Vanique
[11:04] <Vanique> ah ok
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Khobar: Ubuntu should set up your networking on install using dhcp - if you can reach the Internet leave it alone
[11:05] <Khobar> well the point is , I managed to connect without problem to internet using radio internet ( as on winxp)
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Khobar: if you need to route to a different subnet that's a whole topic in itself - probably not something anyone here will have time to explain
[11:05] <Khobar> the problem is ubuntu changes my dns
[11:06] <thoreauputic> Khobar: no, ubuntu doesn't chnage your DNS - your router most likely is changing it
[11:06] <Khobar> emm...but I don't have any router....
[11:07] <Khobar> or you mean router from my ISP ?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Khobar: Ubuntu doesn't just random;y change your dns
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Khobar: probably your ISp then,, yes
[11:07] <Khobar> well true but it changes stubornly to <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:07] <Khobar> and the router adres is <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Khobar: are you on cable or dsl or what?
[11:07] <Khobar> dsl -> radio -> me
[11:08] <thoreauputic> Khobar: did you set up Ubuntu on this network or somewhere else ?
[11:08] <axa-axa> I have Ubuntu on my machine, and I wanted to see what KDE now looks like, so I've installed kubuntu-desktop. Later I've uninstalled kubuntu-desktop, but boot usplash logo (Kubuntu) still stayed as default. How can I revert usplash picture to originial Ubuntu and not Kubuntu?
[11:08] <Chandu> eyequeue: May I know about Ubuntu's package versioning policy ,
[11:08] <eyequeue> Chandu, you certainly may :)  i'm not sure i'm the one to tell you, but let me see if i can find a good url
[11:09] <Khobar> set up? can you explain ..didn't understand
[11:09] <Chandu> eyequeue: I have seen some packges with "UBUNTU" postfixed and If take "ubiquity" its version if "1.1.15" , what does this 1.1.15 mens ..
[11:10] <eyequeue> Chandu, first may i ask what you wanted to know about, specifically?
[11:10] <thoreauputic> axa-axa:  sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[11:10] <eyequeue> Chandu, ah, that would be the upstream version number, usually
[11:10] <thoreauputic> Khobar: what is your first language
[11:10] <thoreauputic> ?
[11:10] <thoreauputic> !pl
[11:10] <Khobar> polish
[11:10] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[11:11] <thoreauputic> there :)
[11:11] <Khobar> ok thx ..
[11:11] <eyequeue> Chandu, first major release, first significant upgrade to that, fifteenth minor release of that
[11:11] <axa-axa> thoreauputic: It reports: There is only 1 program which provides usplash-artwork.so
[11:11] <axa-axa> (/usr/lib/usplash/usplash-default.so). Nothing to configure.
[11:11] <X-ray> lol
[11:11] <eyequeue> Chandu, that may be a ubuntu-only pacakge, so it's not really "upstream" in that case of course
[11:11] <thoreauputic> axa-axa: OK then you haven't got the original for some reason - do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[11:11] <X-ray> thoreauputic it still don't work
[11:11] <eyequeue> !info ubuquity
[11:11] <ubotu> Package ubuquity does not exist in any distro I know
[11:12] <eyequeue> !info ubiquity
[11:12] <ubotu> ubiquity: Ubuntu live CD installer. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.17 (dapper), package size 1385 kB, installed size 5640 kB
[11:12] <thoreauputic> X-ray: refresh my memory - is this about libxine-extracodecs ?
[11:12] <eyequeue> !info ubiquity edgy
[11:12] <ubotu> ubiquity: Ubuntu live CD installer. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.15 (edgy), package size 1551 kB, installed size 6040 kB
[11:12] <eyequeue> Chandu, it also tells me you're looking at edgy, not dapper ;-)
[11:12] <axa-axa> thoreauputic: Yes, I do, should I try to uninstall it and then install again?
[11:13] <X-ray> thoreauputic,  yes it is
[11:14] <thoreauputic> axa-axa: hmmm - odd - if you have it then you should have the ubuntu usplash artwork - try  sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[11:14] <thoreauputic> X-ray: have you read the restricted formats wiki page?
[11:14] <thoreauputic> !restricted > X-ray
[11:14] <X-ray> thoreauputic, do i?
[11:14] <thoreauputic> ?
[11:15] <thoreauputic> X-ray: have a look at the page ubotu sent you in pm
[11:15] <X-ray> lol ok
[11:15] <axa-axa> thoreauputic: Among other things: Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ...
[11:15] <thoreauputic> X-ray: hmm - you haven't rehistered with nickserv, have you ?
[11:16] <thoreauputic> axa-axa: yes it says that on my system too - but it seems to find it anyway - I thought it might help. You won't know until you reboot unfortunately - although you can try re-doing the update-alternatives thing
[11:17] <speedy> how can I have my mail server (A) to queue and forward emails for mail server (B)?
[11:17] <axa-axa> thoreauputic: yes, thanks for your effort, bye.
[11:18] <Chandu> eyequeue: Where can I get more info regarding this upstream , major release , significant upgrade and minor release
[11:18] <chamo> wrong channel
[11:19] <Chandu> eyequeue: I want to know this , because I am conmpiling some package , I want to append my own release to that .. I want to know how to do that ,what policy I need to follow
[11:19] <eyequeue> Chandu, well, that part came from experience with linux apps, and the kernel :)  "experience" is a lousy answer, i know :)
[11:19] <eyequeue> !info openoffice.org
[11:19] <ubotu> openoffice.org: OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 (dapper), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB (Only available for amd64 ia64)
[11:19] <eyequeue> Chandu, i'll use openoffice.org as an example
[11:20] <Chandu> eyequeue:ok
[11:20] <eyequeue> Chandu, version "2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1"
[11:20] <X-ray> thoreauputic, not regged with nickserv.... why?
[11:20] <thoreauputic> X-ray: it's a good idea to be registered
[11:20] <eyequeue> Chandu, 2.0.2 is the upstream, with the explanation i gave earlier as format
[11:20] <X-ray> meh, ppl may know that I'm from belgium
[11:20] <Chandu> eyequeue:ok
[11:21] <eyequeue> Chandu, the part following the dash is the debian version (this all is based on debian packaging, ubuntu is)
[11:21] <thoreauputic> X-ray: in certain situations ( bot attacks etc) you will get dumped to another holding channel, for example
[11:21] <eyequeue> Chandu, but ubuntu breaks that down, as debian is also our upstream
[11:21] <X-ray> nick _X-ray_
[11:21] <_X-ray_> lol
[11:21] <Chandu> eyequeue:ok
[11:22] <eyequeue> Chandu, 2.0.2-2 would be the second debian release of the upstream's 2.0.2 package
[11:22] <eyequeue> Chandu, simple so far, but then ubuntu adds the "ubuntu* part to it :)
[11:22] <_X-ray_> thoreauputic, how do I get a vhost here?
[11:22] <Chandu> eyequeue:ok
[11:23] <eyequeue> Chandu, 2.0.2-2ubuntu12, would be the 12th ubuntu release of that debian-second-release
[11:23] <^Mephisto^> why is edgy using UUID's in /etc/fstab and menu.lst now?
[11:23] <eyequeue> Chandu, 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1, a rare form, but it's got everything :)  is the first security team release of that twelth release :)
[11:24] <Chandu> eyequeue:does it mean ubnutu has compiled that package for 12 times
[11:24] <thoreauputic> _X-ray_: http://freenode.net/   << read all about it
[11:24] <eyequeue> ^Mephisto^, #ubuntu+1 for edgy, but the quick answer, compatibility with LVM/RAID
[11:24] <eyequeue> Chandu, yes, i would guess ubuntu had an intensive period of development on it, after debian had a release
[11:25] <kindor> my apt is giving weird bzip2 errors (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23200) what can this be?
[11:25] <eyequeue> Chandu, one more format, IF it said this
[11:25] <^Mephisto^> any way to get rid of it, so that it doesnt put it back all the time? i like /dev/hdaX better. or should i ask this in #ubuntu+1?
[11:26] <eyequeue> Chandu, 2.0.3-0ubuntu1 ... first ubuntu release of upstream version 2.0.3, but dedian hasn't released any yet, so it's all the work of the ubuntu maintainer
[11:26] <Chandu> eyequeue: what is that IF
[11:26] <MNKentB> I have a problem sending mail.
[11:26] <MNKentB> With attachments.
[11:26] <eyequeue> Chandu, i don't know that OOo even has a 2.0.3 upstream, so that's purely hypothetical
[11:27] <eyequeue> Chandu, but you get the idea? see the format?
[11:27] <eyequeue> MNKentB, someone will help petter if they know what MUA you use, etc
[11:28] <MNKentB> MUA?
[11:28] <Chandu> eyequeue: Yaa I got some idea, but I ahve one more doubt , these are the versions for upstream or debian release , suppose a package is create4d by ubuntu then what will be the version
[11:28] <eyequeue> MNKentB, what program, what method, what server perhaps
[11:28] <_X-ray_> thoreauputic, I need to update... 1155 files or so
[11:28] <eyequeue> Chandu, well, there's really no "upstream" in that case, so ubuntu becomes the upstream
[11:28] <_X-ray_> perhaps it will work afterwards...
[11:28] <eyequeue> !info ubiquity
[11:28] <ubotu> ubiquity: Ubuntu live CD installer. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.17 (dapper), package size 1385 kB, installed size 5640 kB
[11:28] <MNKentB> I am using Ubuntu 6.06 and I am sending with Thunderbird.
[11:29] <Chandu> eyequeue: ok , then what will be the versioning format
[11:29] <MNKentB> It worked fine under fedora.
[11:29] <eyequeue> Chandu, ubuquity is an example, so 1.0.17 gets no "after the dash" meaning no "debian (ubuntu revision"
[11:30] <eyequeue> Chandu, see ubotu above there btw ^^
[11:30] <ompaul> MNKentB, thunderbird works for me ;-) so the question must be have you got your settings correct
[11:30] <Chandu> eyequeue: ok
[11:30] <MNKentB> ompaul.
[11:30] <ompaul> MNKentB, I have used thunderbird on the last three versions of Ubuntu
[11:30] <MNKentB> Cool.
[11:31] <eyequeue> Chandu, sadly, i know most of this from "experience" rather than a web page also, but i think you know it now too :)  i also think if any web page exists it would be at debian.org, since it's their versioning that ubuntu just added to the end of heheheh
[11:31] <Chandu> eyequeue: suppose I ahve created a package and I have compiled it for the first time .. so it will be my upstream package ..what version I can give
[11:31] <Paladine> anyone running a tv cardin ubuntu?
[11:31] <eyequeue> Chandu, 1.0.0 is common
[11:31] <MNKentB> ompaul, which settings?  It sends small emails fine, but then hangs when I send an attachment.
[11:32] <MattyMayhem> your firewall is letting that file extention out..right?
[11:32] <eyequeue> Chandu, say you then fix something small, like a typo in the man page, 1.0.1
[11:32] <Chandu> eyequeue: for the next builds which one I need to increase
[11:32] <ompaul> MNKentB, what size of attachement?
[11:32] <bulent> hey people i'm a new ubuntu user... but i have some problems... in the live edition it identified my wireless card... which i don't even know it's brand... thus ubuntu does not support turkish characters.... is there anyone who can help me ?
[11:32] <eyequeue> Chandu, a bigger change would be 1.1
[11:32] <MNKentB> ompaul, only about 90k or so.  A pdf file.
[11:33] <eyequeue> Chandu, and something that makes old data files incompatible (say you were writing a word processor or something) would be 2.x
[11:33] <MNKentB> ompaul, it works fine with just a small email.
[11:33] <bulent> hey people i'm a new ubuntu user... but i have some problems... in the live edition it identified my wireless card... which i don't even know it's brand... thus ubuntu does not support turkish characters.... is there anyone who can help me ?  Anyone listening to me ?!
[11:33] <ompaul> MNKentB, 90k is very small
[11:33] <ompaul> !patience
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[11:33] <MNKentB> ompaul, yes.
[11:33] <cynical> bulent: yes, what exactly do you need?
[11:33] <Chandu> eyequeue: ok
[11:33] <bulent> Well i real wonder how i can add a turkish character support to my OS
[11:34] <eyequeue> Chandu, these are all general principles, but common ... it's not a requirement, just incrementing things so they are larger is all you need, you can go from 1.1 to 65.4 ;-)
[11:34] <ompaul> MNKentB, okay first off try to send a 90k text doc to yourself not a pdf
[11:34] <MNKentB> ompaul, but just small emails go through quite simply.
[11:34] <_X-ray_> !patience
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[11:34] <bulent> Thus i wonder if i can get a wireless card search or something like that
[11:34] <eyequeue> Chandu, does the method make sense in your head though?  that's my goal here
[11:34] <MNKentB> ompaul, I tried that the other night with the ISP.  It failed.
[11:34] <cynical> bulent: you should choose your country in the installer
[11:35] <Chandu> eyequeue:yaa, thank U very much
[11:35] <MNKentB> ompaul, it hung and never finished.
[11:35] <bulent>  i did but still it does not support the turkish characters..
[11:35] <bulent> my ubuntu is in Turkish... but still i can't type turkish characters
[11:35] <Chandu> eyequeue: If I follow x.x.x. format upto what range I can give ,
[11:35] <cynical> go to system > preferences > keyboard
[11:35] <_X-ray_> hehe
[11:35] <MNKentB> ompaul, what hardware are you using?
[11:35] <ompaul> bulent, take your time stop repeating please
[11:35] <_X-ray_> no need to be.... cynical :D
[11:35] <ompaul> _X-ray_, what is so funny
[11:35] <cynical> :D
[11:35] <Paladine> anyone using a huappage tv card with ubuntu, if so which one? trying to decide whether to get the 250 or 350
[11:36] <_X-ray_> just said it
[11:36] <Paladine> hauppauge even
[11:36] <eyequeue> Chandu, any.  2.4.9 leads to 2.4.10 though, which is confusing maybe
[11:36] <cynical> bluent: in the layouts tab, go to add and choose turkey, then make it your default
[11:36] <ompaul> MNKentB, five different boxes
[11:36] <frying_fish> Paladine: I am using a hauppage card
[11:36] <ompaul> MNKentB, :-) varing degrees of hardware
[11:36] <frying_fish> but the nova-t as I wanted freeview.
[11:36] <eyequeue> Chandu, the kernel is 2.6.15 in ubuntu dapper, for example :-)
[11:37] <frying_fish> and, the remote works perfectly with lirc :D, just need to grab that right config files and set them up accordingly.
[11:37] <MNKentB> ompaul, well there is a problem there for sure someplace.
[11:37] <Paladine> yeah I have a dvb usb box but is no good because I need to send a signal from my sky tv decoder to the card, and the dvb boxes don't work like that
[11:37] <Chandu> eyequeue:2.4.9 to 2.5.0 or 2.4.10 , Iam little bit confused ,suppose If I start with 1.0.0. , then which one I should go on increasing
[11:37] <cynical> bulent: sry did you get that?
[11:37] <frying_fish> Paladine: nope they don't, so 250 or 350 is what you will be looking at, probably go for the 350
[11:38] <frying_fish> since I know it has the same remote as the nova-t, and as I said, it works good.
[11:38] <Paladine> yeah but the 350 is uber expensive, so I was wondering what the results arelike with the 250
[11:38] <bulent> Yea i did... i made it my default but still i can't type turkish characters... can it be a problem about my laptop keyboard?
[11:38] <eyequeue> Chandu, 2.4.10 would follow 2.4.9, unless it is "bigger" and you want to go to the 2.5 series
[11:38] <MNKentB> ompaul, why would it send small emails and not slightly larger ones?
[11:38] <Paladine> 100 quid for the 350
[11:38] <frying_fish> oh right, 250 is probably reasonable...
[11:39] <bulent> oh i just got an erorr message... my bad... i should better log in as the root
[11:39] <frying_fish> see what google thinks, more likely to have more knowledge than the people in here.
[11:39] <Chandu> eyequeue:in x.x.x format , 3rd x upto what number I can increase
[11:40] <ompaul> MNKentB, (A) do you leave mail on the server in your ISP? is that full?
[11:40] <eyequeue> Chandu, look on some linux kernel mirror perhaps, for the various releases ... it takes a month or two for a x.y.z "z ro change" release, and a year or two for a "y to change" release (2.5.x to 2.6.x) and well, the "2" at the front may not become a 3 for a decade, heh
[11:40] <MNKentB> ompaul, there is nothing like that.  It is a standard smtp server.
[11:40] <eyequeue> Chandu, i've seen that third number, that i called z, in the 2 digit range, x.y.115, i think
[11:40] <Paladine> frying_fish, did you have to do anything funky with your kernel config or do the tv cards work "out of the box"?
[11:40] <ompaul> MNKentB, (B) have you spoken with your isp?
[11:41] <frying_fish> Paladine: out of the box
[11:41] <frying_fish> including lirc (once you put the configs in the right place)
[11:41] <cynical> bulent: Do you have any idea who manufactures your wireless card? Or the model of the card?
[11:41] <MNKentB> ompaul, I have spent a half hour the other night with my isp.
[11:41] <ompaul> MNKentB, okay here is what I suggest sign up for a free yahoo account or some such
[11:41] <ompaul> test pop from there
[11:42] <ompaul> MNKentB, then test sending
[11:42] <Chandu> eyequeue:ok ,thank U very much , I got some idea, Thanks for clearing my doubts
[11:42] <ompaul> MNKentB, I regularly send reports to people
[11:42] <schasi> hi there
[11:42] <Paladine> frying_fish, I compiled rivatv the other day for the vivo on my 6600GT but I still couldn't get it to work :/
[11:42] <MNKentB> ompaul, I have two pop accounts at yahoo.  A personal one and a business one. The business one is my main pop account.
[11:43] <NakedRNA> Has anyone tried to use a ps2 eyetoy as a webcam on ubuntu?
[11:43] <schasi> is the /etc/modprobe.d/bad_list still current for modules that should not be loaded, or is there a different approach?
[11:43] <MNKentB> ompaul, but the smtp server stays with my isp.
[11:43] <ompaul> ahh
[11:43] <eyequeue> Chandu, i recommend browsing at some kernel mirror for real life examples
[11:43] <frying_fish> hauppauge just work Paladine, they are the best cards
[11:43] <eyequeue> Chandu, glad i could make things a bit clearer though :)
[11:43] <MNKentB> ompaul, downloading does not seem to be the problem.
[11:44] <MNKentB> ompaul, so you think that the smtp server is still the problem?
[11:45] <ompaul> MNKentB, I am just going to look at the settings for min
[11:46] <MNKentB> ompaul, thanks.
[11:48] <halorgium> my locales are broken :/
[11:48] <ompaul> MNKentB, are you using dapper 6.06 ?
[11:48] <halorgium> any ideas?
[11:49] <MNKentB> ompaul, yes.
[11:49] <halorgium> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[11:49] <halorgium> ^^ that is what i get :(
[11:49] <ompaul> MNKentB, what version is your thunderbird
[11:49] <MNKentB> ompaul, I started with 5.10 and did the online upgrade.
[11:49] <ompaul> MNKentB, click on help and about
[11:50] <MNKentB> ompaul <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:51] <ompaul> MNKentB, post your sources from /etc/apt/source.list in paste.ubuntu-nl.org and give me the url please
[11:51] <MNKentB> ompaul, okay.
[11:51] <halorgium> anyone? :>
[11:52] <ompaul> !patience
[11:52] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:52] <ompaul> halorgium, please wait a while
[11:52] <halorgium> :)
[11:53] <halorgium> i'm thinking it is because i installed vim from edgy
[11:53] <ompaul> !edgy
[11:53] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[11:53] <ompaul> halorgium, you are in the wrong channel
[11:54] <ompaul> halorgium, we don't do unstable here ;-)
[11:54] <halorgium> well, my base is dapper :)
[11:54] <halorgium> i just have edgy vim :P
[11:55] <halorgium> but if you </3 me that much, i'll leave :P
[11:56] <MNKentB> ompaul, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23202
[11:58] <Rico> ehey, does anyone remember the name of that personal wiki tool for gnome? tomboy is way too buggy
[11:59] <ompaul> MNKentB, here are the lines that should be in yours the security one is missing: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23203 add it and do >> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:59] <fzn> is there any special folder established for rpm repository ?
[11:59] <ompaul> fzn, we don't use rpms
[11:59] <ompaul> fzn, we have almost 20k in packages what program are you looking for
[12:00] <MNKentB> ompaul, thanks I will try it now.
[12:04] <musti> Hello people, can some1 gimme a link or just say howto backup desktop/home with tar
[12:06] <ompaul> musti, tar cvf mybackup.tar /home/username
[12:06] <FirstStrike> bah..i was about to hit enter.
[12:06] <ompaul> musti, dont do it in your home directory :-)
[12:06] <MNKentB> ompaul, some of those are in there but they are commented with # should these be commented?
[12:06] <ompaul> FirstStrike, is second ;-)-
[12:07] <kremsner> hy! anyone know how to run 2 monitors with different resolutions?
[12:07] <musti> mpaul: thanks alot think ill get it
[12:07] <ompaul> MNKentB, just add my one I have moved off the page
[12:07] <ompaul> MNKentB, as in add the security one
[12:08] <MNKentB> ompaul, you had three lines listed.
[12:08] <Otacon22> there is a good program in linux for overclock a pentium celeron?
[12:08] <MNKentB> ompaul, just as it is or with a # symbol first?
[12:08] <kremsner> hy! anyone know how to run 2 monitors with different resolutions?
[12:08] <ndlovu> hi all. How can I change the default editor that is used by ubuntu. For example, when I type "crontab -e" nano is used, but I'd prefer to use vi.