[07:45] <eest> I would like someone from the bugs team to nominate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unbound/+bug/1472510 to trusty
[07:45] <eest> i am sorry if this is not the correct order, just trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[08:08] <rbasak> eest: done. Thank you for driving this.
[08:09] <rbasak> eest: your patch for Wily looks good, but needs some dep3 headers: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[08:09] <rbasak> eest: they help us track where patches come from so we can drop them as soon as we can
[08:17] <eest> rbasak: hmm... you mean i should revisit the changelog file and add more fields?
[08:23] <eest> if you could be a bit more secific what is missing i would much appreciate it, the only think i can really think of is to mention the debian/patches/increase-max_sent_count file
[08:23] <eest> *thing
[08:24] <eest> based on previous entries
[08:26] <rbasak> eest: no the changelog is fine
[08:27] <rbasak> eest: I'm asking for some descriptive headers in unbound-1.4.22/debian/patches/increase-max_sent_count please
[08:27] <rbasak> eest: see "A patch cherry-picked from upstream" example in http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[08:28] <rbasak> eest: an "Origin: upstream, ..." header and a "Bug-Ubuntu: " header would in particular be useful
[08:28] <eest> ah
[08:28] <rbasak> eest: oh, also please mention "(LP: #1472510)" in the changelog so it auto-closes.
[08:29] <eest> ill see what i can do
[08:29] <eest> thanks
[08:29] <rbasak> eest: no problem. Note that particular example from Ulrich Drepper is a convenient for to use when cherry-picking from git, as you can mostly use the upstream commit message.
[08:30] <eest> rbasak: it seems "closes: #number" is what is used previously
[08:30] <eest> should i still use the "LP: #number" syntax for my entry?
[08:31] <rbasak> eest: Use LP: please. closes: is for Debian, LP: for Ubuntu.
[08:31] <eest> ah
[08:31] <eest> roger that
[09:08] <hjd> Just curious, is there any information on the bugproxy bugs somewhere, like for instance bug 1468606? I've seen a couple of such reports, but I haven't found any information on where they might be coming from. Is there a bug tracker somewhere syncing/forwarding issues to Launchpad?
[09:11] <rbasak> hjd: they come from IBM. I think they have some kind of internal system that their employees use to track issues that reports them to Launchpad or something.
[09:11] <rbasak> I've been treating them just as normal bugs.
[09:24] <hjd> Ah, ok. :)
[10:01] <eest> rbasak: i have supplied an updated debdiff based on your feedback, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unbound/+bug/1472510
[10:01] <eest> i removed the old attachement as well
[10:14] <hjd> Could someone please mark bug 1364503 as Triaged/High. The service fails to start and installation of the package fails.
[10:15] <rbasak> eest: thanks. I don't have time to look right now but will look this afternoon.
[10:15] <eest> sure
[10:24] <rbasak> eest: just about had time. Looks good, thank you for the updated patch. Uploaded.
[10:24] <eest> :)
[10:24] <rbasak> eest: next, for Trusty, can you create a debdiff in the same way but base it on the latest packaging from Trusty?
[10:25] <eest> basically replace my initial debdiff?
[10:25] <eest> sure
[10:25] <rbasak> Yep. Base it on packaging from unbound 1.4.22-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>, so the debdiff should be against that
[10:25] <eest> will have to reinstall the build machine, but im on it
[10:25] <rbasak> The version you will create is unbound 1.4.22-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:26] <rbasak> The debdiff should end up looking pretty much the same, except that the top line in the changelog will read 1.4.22-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> and trusty
[10:26] <rbasak> (instead of 1.4.22-1ubuntu6 and wily)
[10:26] <eest> sure, ill use the same message and patch
[10:26] <eest> let dch -i handle the other stuff
[10:26] <rbasak> That presumes the patch still applies of course
[10:26] <eest> ill create it using quilt
[10:26] <rbasak> I don't think dch will be able to guess the version number right, I don't know
[10:27] <rbasak> I've really run out of time now, but I'll take a look this afternoon if you have it ready by then.
[10:28] <eest> ill make sure it is ready by then
[11:15] <eest> rbasak: the trusty debdiff is up
[13:04] <rbasak> eest: thanks! Looks good, uploaded. Next the SRU team need to review it. This usually takes about a week. Once accepted please follow the steps they'll post in the bug for SRU verification to get the update landed.
[13:24] <eest> rbasak: cool :). yeah i recall adding some testing repo and verifying the bug was solved for previous debdiffs i have commited


[00:16] <brousch> This form works in Chrome, but not in Firefox. dow you see anything wrong with it? http://paste.mitechie.com/show/849/
[00:17] <rick_h_> it's hidden...
[00:17] <rick_h_> wtf, it's really bad html
[00:17] <rick_h_> td without a table?
[00:17] <brousch> That's just a snippet
[00:18] <brousch> But it's the whole form
[00:18] <rick_h_> form/div/input/div/td/
[00:18] <rick_h_> the td might just be tossed out as it doesn't belong
[00:18] <brousch> There's a tr around it
[00:18] <rick_h_> the form needs to be outside of all that
[00:19] <rick_h_> form and div are block elements, they can't go between things like tr/td/th/etc
[00:21] <brousch> more context http://paste.mitechie.com/show/850/
[00:22] <brousch> I'll try moving the form outside of the tr
[00:23] <brousch> Still works in Chrome, fails in FF
[00:32] <brousch> Hm, that breaks the rows
[00:36] <Blazeix> why is the table even in there?
[00:37] <Blazeix> from that snippet it seems kind of unnecessary
[00:55] <rick_h_> bah, can't link to w3c validator output
[01:10] <brousch> I moved the form inside of the td and there's no difference
[01:11] <brousch> I think it must have something to do with the image submit thing
[01:26] <brousch> got it
[01:27] <brousch> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/851/
[01:32] <Blazeix> brousch: interesting. http://www.onenaught.com/posts/382/
[01:35] <brousch> Geekers
[01:44] <brousch> Blazeix: Thanks
[02:42] <rick_h_droid> heh finally watching BSG should have watched this before.
[02:46] <Blazeix> ah, the reimagining? have fun
[02:47] <rick_h_> reimagining?
[02:49] <Blazeix> the more recent series, from 2004
[02:49] <Blazeix> as opposed to the 1970s version
[02:49] <rick_h_> yea
[02:49] <rick_h_> ah, yea the 2004 series
[02:50] <Blazeix> that's the only one i've seen. i keep meaning to try the 1970s version too, but never got around to it.
[02:52] <snap-l> rick_h_: You can have my share
[02:52] <snap-l> couldn't make it through the miniseries without fast-forwarding
[02:52] <rick_h_> your share? not a BSG fan?
[02:52] <rick_h_> heh, well I'm only the first two episodes in
[02:52] <snap-l> I bought the movie of the old series, and promptly canceled my wishlist for the boxed set of the old series
[02:53] <snap-l> 1970s version hasn't aged well, and I'm not talking special effects
[02:53] <rick_h_> yea, I just remember seeing the old series stuff so I figured it would be very 'Danger will robinson' but it's cool
[02:53] <snap-l> I <3 Lost In Space, though. :)
[02:53] <snap-l> Thing is, I liked the 1970s "bad guys are bad, good guys are good" vibe
[02:54] <snap-l> but the whole "who is the mole" thing just turns me right off
[02:54] <snap-l> Mostly because TV has a horrible time with conspiracy
[02:54] <rick_h_> ah, I must be a sucker for this stuff. Lost got me sucked in at first
[02:54] <rick_h_> at least you don't have to play it out over one episode a week for 5 years
[02:54] <rick_h_> stream one after another
[02:54] <snap-l> rick_h_: True da
[02:54] <snap-l> t
[03:00] <snap-l> Thing is, I knew Lost was going to be a bit of a clusterfuck
[03:01] <snap-l> I watched the X-Files dismantle itself after the movie
[03:01] <rick_h_> the thing with Lost is I was dying with TV with a plot. Reality TV syndrome had me jump onto that with both feet
[03:01] <rick_h_> yea, that was another one I was into for a long time and gave up on
[03:01] <snap-l> Lost was the right show at the right time
[03:01] <rick_h_> but they saw too many $$ and extended it out longer than they originally planned and $#@$@ it up
[03:01] <snap-l> Problem was they couldn't keep the momentum because they laid off the producer, and the writing staff
[03:02] <snap-l> rick_h_: And that's the other problem: American TV doesn't know when to quit
[03:03] <snap-l> I haven't watched Babylon 5 yet, but the thought of "5 years, and we're done, and we have a story that spans those five years" intrigues me
[03:03] <snap-l> and not this "the well is dry, ergo we need to cancel the show and move out"
[03:11] <billings> well, 4 years + some extra
[03:26] <Blazeix> i like babylon 5. i should rewatch it. the first season is pretty terrible though
[03:30] <snap-l> That's not good. That'll keep me from watching it
[03:33] <Blazeix> you just have to power through. they sent everybody to acting school and replaced a few of the leads :)
[03:49] <snap-l> jcastro_: http://www.metalinjection.net/tv/view/6931/megadeth-symphony-of-destruction-reggae-version
[03:49] <snap-l> Dub Mustaine
[03:49] <snap-l> Now that they're off Roadrunner, they're taking the band in a new direction
[12:37] <rick_h_> heh, largest UPS delivery in my history! /me orders a hand truck from AMZ
[12:37] <rick_h_> one UPS delivery to handle another UPS delivery, bwuhahahaha
[12:56] <snap-l> Morning
[12:56] <snap-l> rick_h_: You know the UPS driver knows where you live. ;)
[12:58] <brousch> Babylon 5 is good
[12:59] <brousch> The wife and I are currently watching Farscape
[13:13] <rick_h_> snap-l: heh, but they'll only drop off my #420 bundle at my driveway and I've got to get it up to the garage. hand truck time!
[13:18] <rick_h_> woot! and the electrician comes by to put in my 220 outlet in the morning
[13:19] <brousch> 420# of stuff and 220V electric. Are you planning to take over the world?
[13:19] <rick_h_> bwuhahahaha
[13:19] <rick_h_> http://cdn0.grizzly.com/pics/jpeg1000/g/g0513x2.jpg new baby
[13:20] <brousch> geez
[13:20] <rick_h_> yea, sold the table saw so now this will be my one big bit of electric powered tooling and the rest is hand work
[13:21] <rick_h_> but it comes in one giant grate so it weight #420 and comes on a truck with a lift gate
[13:21] <rick_h_> with a ton of disclaimers that the driver isn't going to help with anything but lowering the lift gate
[13:23] <brousch> Isn't a table saw better for long straight cuts?
[13:24] <rick_h_> yea, somewhat.
[13:24] <rick_h_> but a bandsaw can make all cuts
[13:24] <rick_h_> so one tool == less space and selling m table saw helps me pay for bandsaw
[13:35] <brousch> Someone just called me from an SAP reseller
[13:35] <brousch> I just laughed
[13:37] <rick_h_> lol
[13:51] <rick_h_> snap-l: I'm giong to make your wife want to hit me
[13:51] <rick_h_> actually I won't...I'll let it be
[13:52] <brousch> You scared?
[13:52] <rick_h_> pretty much
[13:53] <rick_h_> and there's the whole "sounds funny in my head, and could make it sound funny in person...but on the interwebs...might not come across right"
[14:39] <snap-l> rick_h_: You realize I'll get hit by proxy. ;)
[14:42] <snap-l> Though in retrospect, I think that might encourage you. ;)
[14:43] <rick_h_> I think your wife is saying in G+ is that she's got the attention span of a child
[14:44] <rick_h_> :P
[14:44] <snap-l> rick_h_: You do not want to go there. :)
[14:44] <snap-l> She just doesn't have the patience for fantasy
[14:44] <snap-l> she wasn't weaned on D&D's lensing of Tolkein, so she doesn't have the same conceits that we do
[14:45] <snap-l> Where one could just sit with the monster manual or the basic set and read about these fantastical creatures.
[14:47] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, just joking around based on the current conversation
[14:47] <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh that's fine. It's your head if you want to go there. ;)
[14:48] <rick_h_> :P
[14:48] <snap-l> Just be assured that JoDee will exact revenge. ;)
[14:55] <rick_h_> oh I know...thus why I stopped myself
[14:58] <rick_h_> heh https://www.vizify.com/rick-h/year-on-twitter
[14:59] <rick_h_> love the "reminder time" one
[16:10] <snap-l> I'm almost afraid to see mine. ;)
[16:27] <snap-l> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualenvwrapper/+bug/870097
[17:20] <rick_h_> don't sudo
[17:22] <rick_h_> snap-l: your G+ post isn't public boooo
[17:22] <rick_h_> for the mug meeting, meaning I can't share it public
[17:23] <jrwren> why doesn't env.shell = '/bin/bash --noprofile -l -c'.  work?
[17:27] <snap-l> rick_h_: Bah, sorry about that
[17:27] <snap-l> thought it might get more penetration if it weren't public.
[17:34] <snap-l> greg-g: Happy Birthday, Rowan. :)
[17:49] <snap-l> http://zoeblade.bandcamp.com/album/8-bit-generation
[18:01] <rick_h_> http://pycon.blogspot.com/2012/12/announcing-pypgday-at-pycon-us-2013.html very cool
[18:01] <jrwren> sounds awesome.
[18:17] <brousch> d00d
[20:27] <greg-g> snap-l: thanks man!
[21:29] <snap-l> metalheads: Entropy League is on http://metalinjection.fm
[23:54] <snap-l> comma-delimited?


[05:22] <luna_> Hello, my computer failed to update from a 5.4 kernel to a 5.8 kernel as i did not have enough diskspace, and broke my system, any easy way to fix this from a live DVD or is reinstalling the best option?
[05:53] <guiverc> luna_, I'd suggest a support room like #ubuntu
[06:24] <luna_> guiverc: okay
[09:18] <luna_> fixed my broken system now with help, now time to watch aKademy :)


[10:06] <SiDi> i've just done something epic
[10:06] <SiDi>  accidentally clicked on "Offer mentoring" in a Exaile bug, and then i panicked and clicked again, and it kinda clicked on the "Confirm" button
[10:06] <SiDi> and i accidentally made Ayatana discussion a mentor for this bug
[10:07] <macvr> lmao
[17:44] <tgpraveen2> should i file a bug that notifications  should support smileys?
[17:49] <SiDi_> tgpraveen2: what do you mean ?
[17:49] <tgpraveen2> when a friend im's me
[17:50] <tgpraveen2> the notification has like
[17:50] <tgpraveen2> hi man :-)
[17:50] <tgpraveen2> : - )
[17:50] <SiDi_> oh, you wouldnt want it to display a smiley INSIDE the body ? :/
[17:50] <tgpraveen2> it doesnt convert to a smiley in the notification
[17:50] <tgpraveen2> yes
[17:50] <SiDi_> That's not going to happen imo :)
[17:50] <tgpraveen2> it would really improve things as IM notifications are very common of all the notification
[17:50] <tgpraveen2> why?
[17:51] <SiDi_> because it'd be an heavy code addition for a completely useless feature
[17:51] <tgpraveen2> :-(
[17:51] <SiDi_> IM apps are meant to use the messaging applet instead of notifications now
[17:52] <SiDi_> and i dont know any notification daemon implementation that puts images in the body :)
[17:53] <macvr> tgpraveen2: when formatting is not allowed i highly doubt smileys will be ;p
[17:53] <SiDi_> its allowed by the spec, but Mirco will refuse :P
[18:01] <tgpraveen2> :hmmm... maybe we should just invent a ASCII 2,0 with smileys as characters itself
[18:01] <MenTaLguY> hm, will we still have the option of having notifications for messaging?
[18:01] <tgpraveen2> :-P
[18:01] <tgpraveen2> MenTaLguY: yes
[18:01] <MenTaLguY> ok, cool
[18:07] <SiDi_> tgpraveen2: an UTF-8 2,0 then :p
[18:08] <tgpraveen2> SiDi_: oh is it that. ok then UTF-9 it is
[18:08] <tgpraveen2> :-D
[18:09] <MenTaLguY> don't notifications use Unicode? ☺
[18:24] <SiDi_> tgpraveen2: i fear it'll be hard to put it on 9 bits
[18:24] <tgpraveen2> hmm UTF-8++
[18:24] <SiDi_> UTF-8²
[18:25] <tgpraveen2> that would also do
[18:25] <macvr> MenTaLguY: i'v tried using unicode , you can send unicode symbols in notify-osd
[18:26] <macvr> but the progam should a be able to send ;p
[18:28] <macvr> notify-send "☺ " " " -i notification-message-email
[18:28] <macvr> tgpraveen2: ^
[18:29] <SiDi_> now imagine what happens if you got ten :P :P :P smilies appearing in a notification bubble in the middle of a presentation for your company !
[18:29] <tgpraveen2> SiDi_: presentation time handling of notifications is being discused
[18:29] <macvr> that is why you need to have"Do not Disturb" mode
[18:30] <tgpraveen2> macvr: good. that is what we should use
[18:30] <tgpraveen2> maybe when user sends : - ) we should change it to that
[18:30] <tgpraveen2> and also maybe increase it's size asa it seems smaller than the text
[18:31] <tgpraveen2> is this something that should be suggested as many times my friends IM me smileys and they look bad in this system
[18:31] <macvr> i have tried using unicode symbols , in the thunderbird extension, but it never worked :(
[18:31] <SiDi_> tgpraveen2: tell them to make sexier smilies ! :O


[00:03] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: sorted that screenshot
[00:07] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: wow you are quick :D done
[00:07] <ubuntujenkins> I am doing coursework so the distraction is welcome :)
[00:08] <c7p> :P
[00:10] <ubuntujenkins> lucid-e1 updated
[00:12] <c7p> godbyk: I've finished the margin note job (finally)!
[00:12] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: nice
[00:12] <godbyk> c7p: excellent!
[00:14] <c7p> godbyk: Should i edit the credits ? Actually I want to add a co-translator that isn't on the credits and also I want to right in greek our names (if it is allowed of course)
[00:15] <godbyk> c7p: good question.  let me run it past some folks first.
[00:15] <godbyk> we tried to collect the names a while back but I'm not sure if anyone responded.
[00:23] <c7p> godbyk: and the other text is translated too, should I include it on the tex file ?
[00:23] <godbyk> c7p: What other text?
[00:24] <c7p> godbyk: the one you have sent me before some hours
[00:24] <godbyk> Oh, right.
[00:24] <godbyk> Yeah, you'll have to include that in the .tex file.
[00:24] <godbyk> Let me pull up a copy and I can help you get it in the right place.
[00:26] <godbyk> c7p: The copyright page starts around line 187 (with \clearpage and \thispagestyle{plain})
[00:26] <godbyk> and goes until about line 213 (with \endgroup and \clearpage)
[00:27] <godbyk> c7p: the colophon goes at the very end of the document just before the \end{document} line.
[00:28] <c7p> i copy n paste the hole copyright.tex file?
[00:28] <godbyk> yeah.
[00:29] <godbyk> we'll need to change the lulu URL once we get it sent to lulu, but I can do that.
[00:29] <c7p> ok :)
[00:34] <c7p> godbyk: topo told me that we could change the colophon font as long as we have used other font, we leave it as it is for now. If you find it necessary make the proper changes
[00:36] <godbyk> c7p: Right. I think we're using the same fonts for the Greek version but we're only using the Linux Biolinum font for the title page now.
[00:36] <godbyk> (Since the Linux Biolinum font didn't have bold Greek letters.)
[00:37] <godbyk> So you could change that line in the colophon to: "The title page is set in Linux Biolinum, also designed by Philipp H. Poll and available at the same \acronym{URL} above."
[00:37] <godbyk> (translated appropriately, of course.)
[00:42] <c7p> So, I should replace the line with "The captions and margin notes ... bla bla" with this (The title page is set in Linux ...), right?
[00:43] <godbyk> c7p: Yep, exactly.
[00:49] <c7p> godbyk: Everything is in place now, do you want the tex file so you can compile a pdf and upload it to the "builds" ?
[01:06] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[01:07] <c7p> night ubuntujenkins
[01:10] <flan> G'night~
[01:14] <c7p> night all
[01:57] <flan> Goal for tonight: get OpenID working in the actual server.
[02:04] <flan> godbyk, next time you're logged into your webhost, can you type 'python -c "import openid"' and let me know if it returns without complaining?
[02:04] <flan> (So I know whether I need to build an egg for deployment)
[02:18] <godbyk> flan: sure. one moment
[02:18] <godbyk> module's not installed.
[02:18] <godbyk> I can install it at some point, though.
[02:19] <godbyk> (I'm running my own python instead of whatever they gave me, so I have my own site_packages dir, etc.)
[02:22] <flan> Okay, then. I'll see what I can do about making the process braindead, though.
[02:22] <flan> When it's time to start worrying about that.
[02:28] <godbyk> cool
[02:29] <godbyk> I think I'm going to go read my book for a bit.
[02:30] <godbyk> Feel free to ping me if you need me.
[02:30] <godbyk> (Once I get godbyk-android logged in, that is.)
[03:47] <Zeike> hello.
[03:47] <Zeike> I'd like to get involved with this project
[03:54] <flan> Hi, Zeike.
[03:55] <flan> How would you like to help? (We're definitely welcoming contributors)
[03:56] <Zeike> mainly as an author
[03:57] <Zeike> I've followed this: http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors
[03:59] <flan> Unfortunately, that's not uite my field, but I can direct you towards people who will be able to help.
[03:59] <flan> How late do you think you'll be on tonight?
[03:59] <flan> (I'm assuming central/easter US, based on your hostname)
[04:00] <Zeike> Probably 1:30 or 2 EST
[04:00] <Zeike> but I can also get on this weekend as well
[04:01] <flan> If a user named 'humphreybc' joins, grab his attention. He's the project's leader and should be able to help you figure out what we need most.
[04:01] <Zeike> I'll keep my eye open
[04:01] <Zeike> Thanks
[04:01] <flan> Thank you for volunterring to help. :)
[04:01] <Zeike> ;)
[04:02] <flan> IlyaHaykinson should be able to help you, too.
[04:03] <Zeike> alright
[04:04] <flan> (I'm on the Quickshot side, hence my not-quite-being-able-to-help-you-ness)
[04:04] <flan> The channel's a bit more active around 10:00-12:00, your time.
[04:04] <flan> In case nobody shows up.
[04:05] <Zeike> thanks
[04:06] <Zeike> unfortunately I don't really know python
[04:07] <Zeike> or much other than perl
[04:08] <flan> Perl has its uses, and it's deployed, like, everywhere. Always a good thing to know.
[04:14] <Zeike> its the truth
[05:40]  * flan didn't get OpenID working. :(
[05:40] <flan> (It kinda works, but there's something missing at the end)
[07:50] <ubuntujenkins> Zeike: again I am a quickshot member but you could send an e-mail to the list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>saying hello and what you would like to do. Then people can get back to you when they are awake in their time zone.
[07:50] <ubuntujenkins> morning all
[10:24] <shrini> anybody there?
[10:24] <shrini> how to generate the PDF file,
[10:24] <shrini> after translating into tamil?
[11:43] <hannie> I have a question about ss: text (like{ss:live-cd-welcome})
[11:44] <hannie> ss stands for screenshot. Should the text following ss: be translated?
[11:46] <nisshh> godbyk: ^^
[13:37] <ubuntujenkins> shrini: make ubuntu-manual-ta.pdf
[13:38] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: just so you know most translator "what to translate" questions can be usually answered in the style guide. which is in the /topic
[13:46] <ubuntujenkins> i will be back in in about an hour
[13:46] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: hai
[13:47] <shrini> we are typing in the LP now
[13:47] <shrini> after typing in the browser, how to generate the pdf?
[13:50] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: thanks, i knew it was defined somewhere, gotta remember that :)
[13:52] <nisshh> shrini: what are you having trouble with?
[14:48] <flan> Ah, yes... I suppose I should have checked to see if Zeike was aware of the mailing list...
[14:50] <quickshotdevs> New news from manualplanet: Per Erik Glærum Grønvik: Some statistics. Linux(6% of market)
[14:57] <ubuntujenkins>  shrini you need to get the po file from launchpad and add it to lucid-e1. then compile it. I just need to check how to get it from launcgpad with out messing up the translations.
[14:59] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: godbyk-android ping
[15:04] <ubuntujenkins> how much have you typed in shrini ?
[15:04] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: thanks
[15:05] <ubuntujenkins> also do you have texlive to compile the manual? If not i can do it but might not be for few hours as i have to nip out again
[15:05] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: handwritten work is done for all chapters
[15:05] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: our team is typing in computer now
[15:06] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: I need the compliation process mnual
[15:06] <shrini> so that we can compile ourself
[15:06] <shrini> want to teach our team about the process
[15:06] <ubuntujenkins> ok what version of ubuntu are you running?
[15:06] <shrini> of making po to pdf
[15:06] <shrini> we all have 10.04
[15:07] <ubuntujenkins> ok wee i have a ppa for 10.04 but you will need to download about 2gb of packages
[15:09] <ubuntujenkins> i am looking up the instructions for it now
[15:09] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: thats fine
[15:09] <shrini> i will download in 1 0r 2 days
[15:11] <ubuntujenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/437347/ are the instructions. Please report any problems with them to me
[15:13] <ubuntujenkins> you might get some compiling errors just shout in here and we will try and help kevin is the best person at fixing them.
[15:15] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: thanks a lot
[15:15] <ubuntujenkins> no problem :)
[15:15] <shrini> that link has only
[15:15] <shrini> installation instructions
[15:15] <shrini> for compilation?
[15:17] <ubuntujenkins> you will need bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1 then in the lucid-e1 folder run make ubuntu-manual-ta.pdf . For the po file i need to double check something with kevin so that it is done right.
[15:18] <ubuntujenkins> I don't want to mess up all your work.
[15:20] <shrini> okey
[15:20] <shrini> thanks a lot
[15:21] <ubuntujenkins> :)
[15:24] <ubuntujenkins> have fun typing
[15:33] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: pong
[15:34] <ubuntujenkins> hello are we ok to ask launchpad to e-mail a po file to you? I won't mess anything up by doing that?
[15:35] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: it's okay if launchpad emails a po file, yeah.
[15:36] <ubuntujenkins> cool thanks don't want to screw stuff up.
[15:38] <godbyk> hannie, nisshh: the {ss:live-cd-welcome} should be left completely untranslated.
[15:38] <godbyk> I'll pull the latest translations in a moment and commit them to the branch.
[16:47] <flan> OpenID support for Quickshot server pushed. Works with Google using my site as a delegate and MyOpenID using their provided subdomain.
[16:47] <flan> +commas
[16:47] <flan> delegator*
[17:26] <flan> ubuntujenkins, when you've got a minute, can you try signing into http://stellvia.uguu.ca:5000/ ? (Preferably a few times, since Google was intermittently rejecting my delegate setup, though it liked my native profile URL)
[17:26] <flan> Try every ID you use/know you have.
[17:26] <flan> Your Google one will likely look something like http://www.google.com/profiles/red.hamsterx
[17:27]  * flan returns to work.
[17:27] <godbyk> Hey, c7p.  I'm updating the builds right now.  If you want to email me your .tex file, I'll build the Greek translation and upload that when the others have finished.
[17:29] <flan> (Other people are welcome to try logging in, too. I mostly just want to make sure it works and that I didn't do something stupid, like create one global session that all users are sharing)
[17:37] <flan> Oh. You may need to make your Google profile public/actually create one before it'll work.
[17:38] <c7p> godbyk: great :D
[17:41] <c7p> godbyk: i have sent you the file, let me know what else do we have to do till the pdf is officially published :). The greek community is very impatient ... :D but I think the result is rather satisfactory ;)
[17:44] <godbyk> c7p: Sure thing. :)
[17:50] <ubuntujenkins> flan: my google and my launchpad work
[17:50] <flan> Yay!
[17:50] <flan> I got confirmation of Yahoo! working, too.
[17:55] <godbyk> c7p: The compiled Greek manual should be online now at http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/
[17:55] <flan> MySpace is confirmed functional, too.
[17:56] <ubuntujenkins> nice :)
[17:56] <godbyk> I'll take a closer look at it either later tonight or this weekend.  (I'm spending today compiling a ton of software. It sucks.)
[17:56] <flan> So we've passed what's probably the biggest learning curve point in development.
[17:56] <flan> Also LiveJournal.
[17:56] <flan> (I just remembered I had one many years ago)
[17:56] <godbyk> c7p: One thing I did notice, is that there are a lot of repeated index entries. I think we can fix most of these with the new \applicatoin command parameter.
[17:56] <ubuntujenkins> yey \o/
[17:56] <godbyk> Let me find the email where I explained it.
[17:57] <godbyk> c7p: Here you go: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg01629.html
[17:57] <c7p> godbyk: On the time I was preparing a post on the forum :).
[17:58] <godbyk> That will let you use one form of the application name in the text and another (canonical) name for the index entry.
[17:59] <godbyk> c7p: Also, it looks like po4a doesn't respect newlines, so you might want to look at the stuff inside \begin{terminal} and \end{terminal} to ensure that the lines end at the right points in your .tex file.
[17:59] <godbyk> (Also, the contributors/credits section got a little bit mangled for the same reason.)
[17:59] <godbyk> I'm waiting to hear back from the editors on how to handle translator names, still.
[18:00] <godbyk> c7p: We'll have to make a list of all of these checks we're going through so we can tell the other translation editors when they're ready. :)
[18:01] <c7p> godbyk: yes that would help
[18:02] <c7p> godbyk: i there any doc on etherpad that we can use it for this purpose ?
[18:05] <c7p> godbyk: also do i start to solve the index issue ? (giving the info of https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg01629.html)
[18:06] <godbyk> c7p: I don't think there's a pad yet. You're welcome to start one and put some notes in, if you like.  If you do, send me a link.
[18:06] <godbyk> c7p: Yeah, you can start working on the index issue. If you have any questions about it, feel free to ask me.
[18:07] <c7p> godbyk: i think with the "\application[index entry]{in-text words} " example everything is clear
[18:11] <godbyk> okay, good.
[18:46]  * ubuntujenkins has made a tin foil blind to help keep his room cool
[18:52] <c7p> godbyk: http://typewith.me/rE4pCABOXs that's some thing that i have thought, make any changes you want :). If anyone find some mistakes on the use of language feel free to correct them :)
[18:54] <godbyk> c7p: thanks for starting the notes!
[18:54] <c7p> godbyk: no problem, my pleasure :D
[19:01] <flan> I read that as a "tin foil hat", initially.
[19:01] <ubuntujenkins> I could make a tin foil hat....
[19:04] <flan> You should.
[19:06] <ubuntujenkins> I have
[19:26] <Zeike> I've sent a message to the mailing list
[19:33] <flan> 'Kay. Sorry nobody directly related dropped by while you were waiting. :(
[19:33] <flan> I'm sure it'll get a resonse soon, though.
[19:35] <Zeike> its no problem
[22:19]  * ubuntujenkins is having an evening off and making progress on the quickshot ui
[22:22]  * godbyk is compiling a ton of libraries and other prereqs so he can attempt to compile the code he's to be working on.
[22:22] <godbyk> It's taking FOREVER.
[22:22] <dutchie> hmm
[22:22] <dutchie> this is not good
[22:23] <godbyk> No one bothered to write instructions.
[22:23] <dutchie> £30 appears to have disappeared into the ether
[22:23] <godbyk> So I'm learning which dependencies are needed with the help of compiler and linker errors.
[22:23] <dutchie> godbyk: wouldn't it be easier to read the code?
[22:23]  * godbyk plucks £30 out of the ether.
[22:24] <godbyk> dutchie: way too much code to just read through.
[22:24] <dutchie> paypal says the transfer to my bank account has completed, but it has not appeared there
[22:24] <dutchie> godbyk: find -name '*.[ch]' | grep '#include'
[22:24] <dutchie> job done :)
[22:25] <dutchie> assuming C/C++, of course
[22:34] <godbyk> dutchie: ack -h "#include" | sort -u | wc -l  # =1271
[22:35] <dutchie> put a "| sort | uniq | less" on the end then
[22:35] <dutchie> :P
[22:35] <dutchie> or does sort -u do that?
[22:36] <dutchie> ah, yes
[22:36] <godbyk> sort -u makes it uniq
[22:36] <dutchie> just a | less then :)
[22:36] <dutchie> grep -v '#include ".*"'?
[22:37] <godbyk> dutchie: 1146 if I grep -v '#include "'
[22:38] <dutchie> impressive
[22:38] <godbyk> That's one word for it. :)
[22:38] <godbyk> dutchie: http://code.google.com/p/vrjuggler  if you want to have a poke around.
[22:40] <dutchie> godbyk: http://code.google.com/p/vrjuggler/wiki/BuildingFromSvn?
[22:41] <godbyk> dutchie: Yeah, that's my hell.
[22:41] <godbyk> I've built it countless times before.
[22:41] <godbyk> Apparently, there's a bug in one of the configure scripts at the moment.
[22:41] <dutchie> nice
[22:42] <godbyk> bash doesn't like: if test "x$os_type" = "xWin32"; then INSTALL="blah"; else; fi
[22:42] <godbyk> I think the empty else branch is freaking out bash
[22:42] <godbyk> I've sent them patches to fix their scripts before.

[22:44] <godbyk> I'm gonna pull the branch instead of the tag and see if they've fixed it.
[22:45] <dutchie> aren't you at iowa state?
[22:45] <godbyk> yep
[22:45] <godbyk> which is the only reason I'm stuck using this POS framework. :)
[22:48] <godbyk> dutchie: the 2.2 branch has a different configure-related bug than the 2.2.1 tag does.
[22:49] <godbyk> fml
[23:02] <c7p> godbyk: I have made the proper changes on the tex file regarding the index. The "problem" is that i have always some issues with the index on the compiled pdf. The index doesn't exist on the pdf
[23:05] <godbyk> c7p: Ah, right. Because you have run another program to create the index.
[23:05] <godbyk> I'll write a small script for you to use to compile your .tex file (without deleting it).
[23:06] <c7p> godbyk: don't bother if it takes time
[23:06] <godbyk> it won't take but a moment.
[23:06] <godbyk> just copy and paste a few lines from the makefile.
[23:08] <c7p> ok then :)
[23:21] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[23:22] <c7p> night ubuntujenkins
[23:35] <c7p> night all
[23:35] <godbyk> G'night, c7p.
[23:36] <godbyk> I'll email this script when I get it finished.
[23:36] <godbyk> (I keep getting distracted.)
[23:36] <c7p> take you time :P it's not even our priority this script, I only have this problem so no big deal :)
[23:37] <godbyk> The script works, I'm just trying to get it to nicely colorize the output ('cause I'm picky that way). :)
[23:37] <c7p> godbyk ok :D, cu tomorrow
[23:37] <godbyk> see ya


 +1 on no email client
 document how to install though in manual
 and make a HUGE BOLD TEXT section on release notes about not shipping an email client out of the box
 also apologies for any typos i make getting used to the new phone keyboard layout
[00:38] <guiverc> we may need a few QA release-upgrades to ensure no upgrade issues occur for those who currently use it (maybe an apt-mark is required to have it not be removed on release-upgrade if depends rule with lubuntu-desktop is gone, I don't know... that maybe required if any change done)
 what do we ship now, trojita?
 yes trojita is what we ship now
 and have since lxqt
[00:42] <guiverc> yeah  (my wording could have been better sorry; but that's usual for me)
 yeah but we should also put a notice out that its basically insecure because upstream hasnt done any patching
 and we have a glaring hole there per CVEs
 we shouldnt remove trojita on upgrade if its there but we shouldnt default ship it either.  we have time for some tests.
[00:43] <guiverc> time yep.
 not a ton of time
 but some time
 If we drop it from the seed it shouldn't remove it from existing installs.
[03:35] <tomreyn> i'm not sure you all noticed (this was apparently posted after Rik posted about Trojita here): 'Andi'/'Kartz' has since taken over responsibility to handle the bug as per https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432353 - but this should probably not take influence on your decision making (first response on bug report after ~ a year).
[04:13] <guiverc> thanks tomreyn; it was mentioned (Walter/wxl) in another room where the issue was also discussed
[04:14] <tomreyn> very well, guiverc. :)


[00:07] <junebug> Wifi still not fixed on ubuntu for hp laptops :(
[00:12] <sybariten> ok this is kinda noobish, but gotta ask
[00:13] <sybariten> when i connect an external HD to a ubuntu system, i can usually just click the disk and it gets mounted into /media/, right? I think it's usually even writable. Now i have a monitor-less machine and want to do something similar (i'm connected over ssh).
[00:14] <sybariten> If i just connect the drive, what could be the mount command equivalent to double clicking it from the desktop?
[00:14] <sarnold> sybariten: having just learned this half an hour ago perhaps I'm too optimistic :) but I'm pretty sure the udisksctl mount -b /dev/whatever  will be very similar to that
[00:15] <mason> sybariten: dmesg | tail ; sudo mount /dev/<thing> /mnt
[00:15] <ogra> lol, this is a funny coincidence
[00:16] <ogra> sybariten, just see the scrollback above 🙂
[00:16] <sybariten> sarnold: so thats a command, udisksctl?
[00:16] <ogra> yes
[00:16] <mason> I guess that'd be closer as it'll mount as the user.
[00:16] <ogra> note that it requires udisks2 installed ... which you typically only find on ubuntu desktop installs
[00:16] <sybariten> ogra: i believe this is a desktop install
[00:16] <ogra> i.e. wont work on servers ...
[00:17] <ogra> the actualy thing your filemanager does is a d-bus call for the mount/umount commands, the udiskctl command just mimics that
[00:20] <mason> sybariten: For completeness, sudo mount -o uid=foo,gid=foo works too.
[00:26] <sybariten> ogra, sarnold : hm that is funny, that is basically the same question...       ogra, mind explaining the d-bus call thing again?
[00:28] <ogra> sybariten, well, there is udisksd that runs as root ... it listens on dbus for events and can mount/unmout disks ...
[00:29] <ogra> per policy it does that under /media as the calling user if possible
[00:30] <ogra> any client app ... i.e. a filemanager or some other tool can send a dbus message on your behalf to that daemon ...
[00:31] <ogra> you can hand over some other info to that dbus message ... if you call "udisksctl mount" without any args it will show you which
[00:32] <ogra> if you want to deep dive: http://storaged.org/doc/udisks2-api/latest/
[00:33] <sybariten> uh wait a second, i attached it now, it automounted.... my question was actually unnecessary cause i was under the impression you needed to double click the drive with the mouse, in the desktop environment, to get a mount...
[00:33] <ogra> hah, no 🙂
[00:34] <sybariten> ogra: thanks
[01:35] <donofrio> how do I repair perl on my 20.04.4 install
[01:35] <sarnold> it depends upon how you broke it :)
[01:35] <donofrio> dunno tried to run inxi and it just sits there till I terminate the script
[01:35] <donofrio> inxi is a perl executable
[01:36] <sarnold> a one megabyte perl script omg
[01:36] <donofrio> lol it works fine normally
[01:37] <donofrio> just on this system it doesn't and I'm guessing something wrong with perl cause when I run perl it just sits there till I exit the process
[01:37] <donofrio> tried apt-get repair but I guess that is not an option ;(
[01:38] <sarnold> what's apt-get repair?
[01:38] <donofrio> I made it up
[01:38] <sarnold> I can't find it in the manpage
[01:38] <sarnold> oh
[01:38] <sarnold> lolk
[01:39] <donofrio> tried gdb inxi but it said it is a script and not binary
[01:39] <sarnold> there's an apt-get install --reinstall option that might come in handy if you know which package needs the care and attention, but that's just blindly throwing things around hoping you eventually stumble on the right answer..
[01:40] <donofrio> agreed
[01:40] <donofrio> well perl --help works so perl not broken
[01:42] <sarnold> maybe strace inxi ?
[01:44] <sarnold> hmm maybe strace -f instead -- and strace is kinda brutal if you're not used to it, maybe start with strace ls or something to get a feeling for what it does first
[01:45] <donofrio> illegal seek?
[01:45] <donofrio> it was working when I used it last on this notebook
[01:46] <sarnold>        ESPIPE fd is associated with a pipe, socket, or FIFO.
[01:46] <donofrio> yah strace ls works great no issues
[01:46] <donofrio> yep that is what it said ESPIPE
[01:47] <donofrio> -1 ESPIPE (Illegal seek)
[01:47] <sarnold> so, find the filedescriptor that it tried to seek on, read backwards to find the call that created the filedescriptor, and see if you can spot what's broken there
[01:47] <Bashing-om> donofrio: inxi has a debug mode - might see what it reports. See the man page: ' inxi -F --debug 10 ' . For an instance.
[01:48] <sarnold> oh that might be way easier
[01:48] <donofrio> Bashing-om, I tried "inxi -Fxzwrc0" like I always do and it just sits there
[01:49] <donofrio> but I'll try the --debug
[01:49] <donofrio> nope it just sits there
[01:49] <Bashing-om> donofrio: Might also try with only single switches - inxi -s -
[01:50] <donofrio> nope but good try
[01:50] <donofrio> how do I test espipe without the script?
[01:55] <donofrio> something diffrent about running this session from powershell and not just ubuntu.exe that seems to be causing this - https://dpaste.org/Ybta
[01:57] <sarnold> if you re-run with strace -f   you can probably catch the child process executing something
[01:57] <sarnold> it's *probably* executing /bin/xset
[01:57] <sarnold> but that's a guess
[01:58] <donofrio> bingo
[01:58] <donofrio> execve("/usr/bin/xset", ["xset", "q"], 0x56434e07ab68 /* 36 vars */ <unfinished ...>
[02:01] <Maximalist> upgraded to 21.10 and rkhunter is giving me a ton of warnings. Any fix or is this normal?
[02:01] <donofrio> Maximalist, 21.10 is not normally talked about here #ubuntu-next if I'm correct
[02:02] <Maximalist> thank you
[02:02] <donofrio> anytime
[02:03] <sarnold> Maximalist: I don't think rkhunter is supposed to be useful
[02:03] <ravage> donofrio lives in the past :) 21.10 is supported here
[02:04] <sarnold> Maximalist: once upon a time it showed every single ubuntu system as infected because it was just kinda rubbish. dunno if it's improved since then..
[02:04] <donofrio> ravage, yah busted that was routing logic from freenode I've not even checked if -next is even on libera lol
[02:04] <Maximalist> solved, just needed to run '/usr/local/bin/rkhunter --propupd'
[02:05] <ravage> all rkhunter ever showed me were annying false positives
[02:05] <Maximalist> I mean I was able to fix a few processes that were sucking up too much memory because of it
[02:05] <Maximalist> but idk
[02:06] <sarnold> smem or top or htop or ps or whatever might have done the same :)
[02:06] <Maximalist> do you suggest an alternative to rkhunter?
[02:06] <donofrio> I like topas ;)
[02:07] <donofrio> no topas or mtop ;(
[02:07] <sarnold> Maximalist: afaik there's no useful tool for this; having a decent set of auditd logs sent to a remote system is probably far more useful
[02:22] <Maximalist> sarnold: this might be what youre talking about
[02:22] <Maximalist> Command: brave
[02:22] <Maximalist> [22:06:28]            UID: 10662    PID: 4932
[02:22] <Maximalist> [22:06:28]            Pathname: 22600
[02:23] <Maximalist> Possible Rootkit: Spam tool component
[02:23] <Maximalist> Thats what it returns
[02:23] <sarnold> heh, did it flag a web browser as "spam tool"?
[02:24] <Maximalist> lmao literally
[03:09] <astronut> Hi! I'm trying to write a udev rule to rename/symlink a specific device. The device presents as both an audiocodec and a HID input... I want to target just the HID. Is there something more specific than just vendor/product I can do? dmesg says this about the device: hid-generic 0003:0D8C:013A.0004: input,hidraw3: USB HID v1.00 Device [....] on usb-0000:00:14.0-5/input3
[03:10] <astronut> I'm not familiar with what the ".0004" is or the ":14.0-5" bit is - I'm hoping one of them is something a rule can target
[03:13] <jhutchins> sarnold: One of the things about rkhunter is that it has some known positives that are really easy to identify and instructions on how to tune it to avoid those, along with explanations as to why they happen.
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> astronut: you could try; sudo lshw -C sound, or lsusb or inxi -F to show more details of your hardware
[03:20] <astronut> more googling turned up udevadm info
[03:21] <astronut> in this case i think SUBSYSTEM=="hidraw" will be enough to seperate the two
[03:22] <astronut> lotuspsychje: thanks
[03:28] <Maximalist> keep getting this from seahorse when i try to import a keypair to gpg
[03:28] <Maximalist> (seahorse:487160): Gtk-WARNING **: 23:26:11.297: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -15 and height 16
[05:38] <Teachmehow> Hi everyone. Is there any library/package that will allow me to convert a package name to its CPE?
[05:41] <tomreyn> Teachmehow: "CPE" would stand for what in this context?
[05:46] <Teachmehow> tomreyn: Common Platform Enumeration (CPE). Each published vulnerability is associated with a list of identifiers. I can match the CPE identifier of the software installed on my PC to the CPE published in the National Vulnerability Database to know if my system is affected. What I have now is the name of the package but I want to be able to get the CPE from those package names.
[05:53] <tomreyn> Teachmehow: you'll probably get a more accurate response on that in #ubuntu-security
[05:55] <Teachmehow> tomreyn: Thank you.
[05:58] <tomreyn> Teachmehow: are you aware of USN, though? https://ubuntu.com/security/notices They enable you to match information on security vulnerabilities to Ubuntu packages and versions as well as CVE IDs.
[05:58] <tomreyn> but i'm not sure whether that'd match your needs.
[06:12] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using Ubuntu Ubuntu 21.10. I have `x-udisks-auth` in /etc/fstab for one of my partitions but whenever I click on the partition name (on the left hand side under "Devices") in file manager Thunar it simply gets mounted without asking password. Why is that? I expected a prompt asking password.
[06:12] <rootkea> Here is /etc/fstab: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1234786
[06:16] <rootkea> Same with nautilus. Why doesn't `x-udisks-auth` produce a password prompt?
[06:32] <tomreyn> rootkea: you probably chose to have the password stored in gnomes' password store, editable using the seahorse application
[06:35] <tomreyn> rootkea: ignore my response, i misunderstood what x-udisks-auth does
[06:38] <Wh0> hi all, anyone having suggetions for cloud storage or automatic backup of data?
[06:39] <Unit193> ...Borg+rsync.net?
[06:39] <ravage> if you want opinions about software try #ubuntu-discuss
[07:19] <Maximalist> when using a network adapter, is it normal for ubuntu to say I am connected to my wifi from two different network devices? It says my internet network card is connected as well as my external card. Could this pose any security/privacy issue?
[07:21] <tomreyn> where / how do you see that "ubuntu [says that you are] connected to [your] wifi from two different network devices"?
[07:22] <Maximalist> On the drop down on the top right of the screen. It says they are both connected.
[07:22] <Maximalist> I am able to connect to the same network twice
[07:25] <Maximalist> can i disable the internal network card to make sure its only going through the external adapter?
[07:34] <Maximalist> solved
[10:03] <user> 守望天空
[10:10] <noent> Heya. I have a question about a missing package: libengine-tpm2-tss-openssl. It was in Jammy a few weeks ago, but has now disappeared. Where can I find more information about this? I was very happy to see it in jammy which meant that I could stop installing it from bullseye-backports...
[11:47] <oerheks> noent, indeed, removed? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tpm2-tss-engine
[11:47] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tpm2-tss-engine/+bugs?field.status:list=NEW
[12:04] <noent> oerheks: yep. That bug references the package which existed a few weeks ago
[12:05] <tomreyn> !next | noent
[12:05] <noent> ty
[12:06] <NeoFAT32> Why Jammy Jellyfish when it's a wombat on the official wallpaper ?
[12:07] <Chunkyz> NeoFAT32: really? it's a wombat? lol
[12:08] <NeoFAT32> https://www.how2shout.com/linux/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Ubuntu-22.04-LTS-Jammy-Jellyfish-Gnome.png
[12:08] <NeoFAT32> O.O
[12:08] <noent> not a biologist, but pretty sure that's not a jellyfish :)
[12:12] <oerheks> NeoFAT32, that is not the original, dude
[12:12] <oerheks> see the date .. fail
[12:13] <NeoFAT32> oerheks: Oh ok !
[12:15] <NeoFAT32> Can the next be a... monkey ? I like monkey ! But I want a monkey which looks like Goku in SS 4.
[12:16] <oerheks> no.
[12:16] <NeoFAT32> Release on 21/04
[12:16] <NeoFAT32> LTS.
[12:18] <NeoFAT32> oerheks: Please, please, please ! Why did they use such a "Mangekyo Sharingan" as logo ? :/
[12:18] <oerheks> NeoFAT32, please troll in some other channel, thanks.
[12:18] <oerheks> !ot
[12:19] <NeoFAT32> I'm not trolling.
[12:19] <NeoFAT32> But bye !
[12:38] <RiFo> Hello, is it just me or is ubuntu.com down?
[12:39] <ravage> its just you
[12:39] <RiFo> i get a "504 Gateway Time-out"
[12:39] <RiFo> (on the wiki)
[12:40] <oerheks> it is up, hit F5 ?
[12:40] <RiFo> Doesn't help.
[12:40] <ravage> the wiki seems kind of down here too
[12:41] <oerheks> https://status.canonical.com/
[12:41] <oerheks> yes, wiki down/maintenance ..
[12:42] <ravage> ok. so lets wait until some sysadmin restores a VM backup :)
[12:42] <RiFo> Got to bookmark this page ^^' thanks.
[12:42] <oerheks> no, the cleaning lady is hoovering the carpet, ..?
[12:43] <oerheks> and it is up again, thanks!
[12:45] <ravage> the history show some wiki downtime lately :D
[12:46] <oerheks> RiFo, another bookmark; https://status.snapcraft.io/
[12:47] <RiFo> I am trying to upgrade a old ubuntu lts, and it shows "no new release found" on do-release-upgrade . Any idea what the reason could be? (Version is Xenial - 16.04 lts)
[12:48] <ravage> !eol | RiFo
[12:48] <oerheks> the old-releases trick might work, i would do a fresh install
[12:51] <Windy> can anyone tell me the correct way to add a dns search suffix in 20.04 ?
[12:51] <Windy> also, if you know, you might answer this thread on the subject: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1304452/adding-a-domain-suffix-to-the-dns-search-in-ubuntu-20-04
[12:51] <RiFo> ill try, thanks
[12:53] <oerheks> Windy, dns is usually set in your router, but you can add it to your networkmanager profile.
[12:53] <Windy> this is an ec2 instance, not a lot of access to the DHCP configuration
[12:54] <Windy> "nmcli: command not found" ?
[12:54] <oerheks> ec2, maybe in your control panel?
[12:55] <Windy> in every other linux distribution i've used, i could add a search suffix in the resolver config of resolv.conf
[12:55] <Windy> there's got to be a way to do it from the system itself...
[12:55] <oerheks> nmcli is standard in ubuntu, not sure about ex2
[12:57] <Windy> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/network-configuration this suggests i need to make a change to my netplan configuration file, not sure where that is
[12:57] <tomreyn> Windy: i bet that you can both set a search domain on Ubuntu 20.04 aws cloud images and configure AWS to pass that to your EC2 instances (via a Route53 hosted private zone, or resolver forwarding)
[12:57] <tomreyn> ... via dhcp
[12:59] <tomreyn> Windy: usually, system service configurations are stored in /etc, in either a subdirectory or file named just like the service
[12:59] <tomreyn> so is there /etc/netplan* ?
[12:59] <Windy> gotcha.  yeah, looks like you can set an override in /etc/netplan https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/ec2-static-dns-ubuntu-debian/
[13:00] <tomreyn> fo aws support, try #aws
[13:00] <ahasenack> netplan.io/examples is quite handy too
[13:00] <tomreyn> ##aws rather
[13:00] <jchittum> nmcli is provided by network-manager. network-manager is not installed by default on ec2 Focal instances.
[13:00] <oerheks> oh oke, thanks jchittum
[13:01] <jchittum> tomreyn and ahasenack are correct -- netplan.io is the default network management tool on Ubuntu ec2 instances
[13:02] <Windy> thanks all.  writing a netplan config.  i'll probably end up injecting it from userdata.
[13:02] <Windy> at least until we get around to configuring ansible for post-provisioning
[13:03] <ahasenack> isn't there a cloud-init module specific for this?
[13:03] <ahasenack> then you wouldn't have to manually mess with config files and netplan commands
[13:07] <tomreyn> not even that is needed since resolver configurations are passed into EC2 instances via dhcp. and there are "dhcp option sets" in AWS. but that's rather a topic for ##aws
[13:07] <Windy> hmm, yeah, probably.  the primary netplan does mention it's configured from cloud-init\
[13:07] <Windy> that's probably cleaner than running a bash script.
[13:07] <ahasenack> you can override it still
[13:08] <ahasenack> use just the nameserver: stanza, followed by search:, even when using dhcp
[13:10] <misilot> Hi, we are trying to disable 20.04 Desktop from having the screen blanking on the login screen do to inactivity. Our searching has come up with a few ideas, but nothing seems to stick, and the screen goes blank. These are being used in a lab so we want users to know the computers are on and able to walk right up and use them. Thanks in advance!
[13:18] <oerheks> maybe consoleblank=0 ? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1323258/screen-timeout-for-ubuntu-server-login-screen
[13:19] <oerheks> dconf ;  org.gnome.desktop.session to 0 only works after login, AFAIK
[13:37] <misilot> thanks. I am trying to set dconf values but not seeing them apply. From what I can tell they should be stored in /etc/dconf/db/local.d and I should run dconf update to make them apply
[13:39] <oerheks> misilot, that dconf example is for when you have logged in, not for the login screen timeout
[13:40] <oerheks> consoleblank=0 on your grubline, and run update-grub
[13:40] <misilot> oerheks: yes, but trying other settings as well
[13:40] <oerheks> !grub
[13:41] <misilot> sorry, I haven't tried the consoleblank=0 since I assumed that was for one of the terminals, and not GDM
[13:44] <oerheks> hmm, another try;  edit the file /etc/login.defs and change the line;  LOGIN_TIMEOUT           60   to 0 ?
[14:45] <zen_coder> how can I change ownership of all files and folder in a directory to "root"?
[14:46] <jhutchins> zen_coder: Why?
[14:48] <zen_coder> I want to archive some files in a tar archive
[14:48] <oerheks> cd to folder; sudo chown root *
[14:48] <leftyfb> zen_coder: that doesn't explain why you need to change their ownership to root
[14:49] <oerheks> and with -R it does folders too
[14:49] <zen_coder> can I tar file without ownership?
[14:49] <zen_coder> files
[14:50] <leftyfb> zen_coder: as root, yes. As other users, depends on their permissions
[14:51] <zen_coder> adm I do: `tar cvzf  my_targ.tar.gz *`
[14:51] <zen_coder> so when I do `sudo tar cvzf  my_targ.tar.gz *`
[14:51] <oerheks> man tar; --no-same-owner
[14:52] <oerheks> why do we make man pages?
[14:55] <zen_coder> `--no-same-owner` is only for extracting
[14:55] <zen_coder> but not for packaging
[14:56] <leftyfb> zen_coder: just tar it up as root, it will keep the permissions
[14:58] <zen_coder> leftyfb: now I got a protected tar archive
[14:58] <zen_coder> I want to distribute this archive
[14:59] <zen_coder> not only me should open it
[14:59] <leftyfb> zen_coder: how will you be distributing it?
[14:59] <zen_coder> I upload it to a server
[14:59] <zen_coder> and will be downloaded by other and extracted
[15:00] <leftyfb> zen_coder: it's not "protected", it's probably just currently owned by root as you wanted the files to be.
[15:00] <leftyfb> zen_coder: upload how? scp? ftp? smb? nfs? https?
[15:01] <zen_coder> https
[15:02] <leftyfb> zen_coder: ownership of the tarball is not going to translate being uploaded via http. As long as your user has access to the file and can upload it, it'll be whatever ownership your uploaded systems sets it to be
[15:02] <jhutchins> The lurking question is what should the ownership and permissions be on the target system.
[15:02] <leftyfb> zen_coder: I still don't understand why you needed to chown the contents to root
[15:03] <jhutchins> There is the point that root is likely to be the only consistent UID across systems.
[15:03] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:04] <leftyfb> jhutchins: given the current level of knowledge here, I don't think that's being planned out
[15:09] <zen_coder> so the normal case is that you just tar the files with whatever owner it is just doing it, then you extract it to your local system and by default the extracted files get owner of the current user extracting it?
[15:11] <leftyfb> zen_coder: creating the tarball will preserve the ownership. Extracting requires setting --same-owner but usually also needs to be done as root because your user might not have permissions to set ownership on the files as they are being extracted
[15:12] <leftyfb> zen_coder: but this is only if you need to preserve the exact same ownership as they were. If you only need the end user to have access, that will be the case by default with no additional steps
[15:24] <zen_coder> okay, following case, I tar the files as arbitrary user
[15:25] <zen_coder> then I want that root can extract them as root
[15:25] <zen_coder> how to do this?
[15:25] <zen_coder> will this work by default?
[15:25] <zen_coder> because I read:
[15:25] <leftyfb> zen_coder: yes
[15:25] <leftyfb> zen_coder: you know you could easily test this
[15:25] <zen_coder> --same-owner => Try extracting files with the same ownership as exists in the archive (default for superuser).
[15:26] <zen_coder> superuser = root, right?
[15:27] <leftyfb> zen_coder: what is the end goal here? Does the end user who is receiving your file need to have them owned by root for some reason? Does this end user have access to sudo or to login as root on their end machine?
[15:30] <jhutchins> zen_coder: Yes, superuser = root
[15:41] <octav1a> h
[16:01] <aguitel> when click on .torrent file it save this not open aplication , why this ?
[16:02] <leftyfb> aguitel: did you install a torrent client that sets itself as the default application to open .torrent files?
[16:04] <aguitel> leftyfb, yes
[16:04] <leftyfb> aguitel: which application?
[16:04] <aguitel> qbittorrent
[16:04] <leftyfb> aguitel: also, if that were true, you wouldn't be having this issue
[16:05] <aguitel> maybe reinstall it ?
[16:06] <cbreak> aguitel: firefox?
[16:06] <cbreak> aguitel: change the default action of your browser
[16:06] <aguitel> firefox and chrome
[16:06] <leftyfb> aguitel: https://www.linuxbabe.com/desktop-linux/how-to-change-the-default-torrent-program-on-linux
[16:07] <leftyfb> cbreak: they said clicking on a .torrent file, nothing to do with a browser
[16:07] <cbreak> well... where else would it "save" a torrent file?
[16:08] <enigma9o7[m]> in cache
[16:08] <leftyfb> aguitel: after saving it, open it up with qbittorent
[16:10] <aguitel> leftyfb, after saving and click in .torrent file ,qbittorrent open
[16:10] <cbreak> aguitel: you have to change the action your browser performs when encountering those files.
[16:11] <cbreak> I think saving is the right thing, but if you don't like that, in firefox, you can change that in the settings
[16:11] <aguitel> cbreak, HOW DO IT
[16:11] <jhutchins> That can be an issue on the server as well.
[16:11] <jhutchins> That can be an issue on the server as well.
[16:11] <cbreak> by selecting your desired program instead of save
[16:11] <cbreak> aguitel: open the settings
[16:11] <cbreak> scroll down to "Applications"
[16:12] <cbreak> search for torrent
[16:12] <cbreak> change action
[16:13] <aguitel> cbreak, no torrent aplication appears , only magnet
[16:15] <cbreak> weird.
[16:16] <cbreak> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/applications-panel-set-how-firefox-handles-files
[16:16] <cbreak> that article says: "The Applications panel has limited functionality for editing. You can change the action for an existing file type but you cannot add or remove file types. Entries are added automatically when you download files and select actions for them. See Adding download actions. " :(
[16:17] <cbreak> so it should ask you when you download a torrent file for the first time
[16:18] <oerheks> magnet links are blocked here from opening WITHOUT saving too..
[16:20] <cbreak> saving magnet links is weird...
[16:22] <cbreak> when I go to https://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/impish/release/desktop/ and click on the torrent file, it downloads fine or opens in transmission remote fine, depending on what I configure.
[16:29] <zen_coder> leftyfb: but do I read the docu correclty, when root is extracting a tar file, it will preserver the owner rights (which in my case leads to file owned by some arbitrary user?)
[16:32] <zen_coder> that means, when I want that root is extracting the file as themself, he should use "--no-same-owner"
[16:32] <leftyfb> zen_coder: maybe. Depends of the UID of the original user exists and matches the same user on the new system
[16:32] <zen_coder> I tested it, switched to root
[16:33] <zen_coder> and only with option "--no-same-owner" the files are shown to me as root
[16:45] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using Ubuntu Ubuntu 21.10. I have `x-udisks-auth` in /etc/fstab for one of my partitions but whenever I click on the partition name (on the left hand side under "Devices") in file manager Thunar it simply gets mounted without asking password. Why is that? I expected a prompt asking password.
[16:46] <rootkea> Same with nautilus. Why isn't `x-udisks-auth` producing a password prompt?
[16:50] <oerheks> by putting it in fstab, it is authorized alrady?
[16:50] <oerheks> c/already
[16:50] <oerheks> try to mount it from a live iso, or remove it temporary from fstab to check ?
[16:52] <rootkea> oerheks, I used gnome-disks utility which edits /etc/fstab on it's own.
[16:54] <oerheks> interesting, never seen that
[16:55] <alkisg> In /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.UDisks2.policy there's `<action id="org.freedesktop.udisks2.filesystem-fstab">` with default value `<allow_active>auth_admin_keep</allow_active>`. Make a backup of that file. Change all 3 values there from "auth_admin" to "no"; reboot and check if the new value is respected (i.e. you can't mount it)
[16:55] <alkisg> If that's the case, it means that you already entered a polkit authentication somewhere and it remembers it
[16:56] <alkisg> (which is what auth_admin_keep means, vs plain auth_admin)
[16:57] <rootkea> alkisg, will it then ask password before mounting?
[16:58] <alkisg> rootkea: if you verify the above steps, and THEN you change auth_admin_keep to plain auth_admin, then it will always ask for a password before mounting, even if you had put your password already a while before clicking mount
[16:59] <rootkea> alkisg, Okay. BTW after editing that file, shouldn't it be copied in /etc somewhere for it to take effect?
[17:00] <alkisg> No, it takes effect immediately
[17:00] <alkisg> (or at least it should; if not, just reboot; no /etc is involved)
[17:01] <ioria> rootkea, my 2 cents : 'Note that this authorization is only applicable to non-administrators of the PC. Admin users will be able to mount the partition without needing to enter the password. This also means that if there is only one account in your PC, which implies it’s that of the administrator, this setting does not affect.'
[17:01] <rootkea> ioria, source for the quote?
[17:02] <ioria> rootkea, https://www.fosslinux.com/4216/how-to-automount-hard-disk-partitions-in-ubuntu.htm
[17:02] <rootkea> BTW, my current user is in sudo
[17:02] <ioria> so ...
[17:04] <oerheks> oh, gnome disks does this not by itself :-D
[17:06] <scortal> hi
[17:07] <luna_> hi
[17:08] <rootkea> alkisg, rebooting now...
[17:15] <jhutchins> The more we automate basic tasks, the worse off people are when the automation fails.
[17:16] <rootkea> alkisg, I put "no" in those three lines and rebooted the machine but still when I click on partition name in file manager it simply gets mounted without asking password.
[17:16] <rootkea> It's as if the file in /usr/share has no effect
[17:22] <rootkea> This AskUbuntu answer says to edit another system file: https://askubuntu.com/questions/417685/how-to-require-mount-with-password-of-other-internal-hdd-partitions-for-all-moun
[17:23] <rootkea> But I don't want to make changes in files outside of my home directory so I'm giving up...
[17:24] <rootkea> After selecting "Require additional authorization to mount" in gome-disks I expected it to just work.
[17:25] <rootkea> s/gome-disks/gnome-disks
[17:44] <jhutchins> rootkea: Gnome knows what's best for you.
[17:52] <Karthik1> Hi all
[17:52] <luna_> hi
[17:52] <maks> Hello, anybody knows how to modify taskbar ? Right click is not working. Or just how to let toolbar to show all programs instead only active window. Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS
[17:53] <Karthik1> Hi all, needed suggestion for this problem:
[17:53] <Karthik1> Looking for Centralised Linux Device/Desktop Management/Fleet Management solution
[17:53] <Karthik1> Challenge is about managing about 300+ devices
[17:53] <Karthik1> Developers are running multiple Linux Flavours
[17:53] <Karthik1> Mostly/half of the users are using Ubuntu Desktop
[17:53] <Karthik1> Followed by considerable amount of Arch Linux
[17:53] <Karthik1> Debian
[17:54] <jhutchins> Karthik1: What items do you want to manage?
[17:54] <leftyfb> !enter | Karthik1
[17:55] <Karthik1> ok got it
[17:56] <leftyfb> Karthik1: define manage
[17:56] <leftyfb> updates, authentication, deployment, etc
[17:58] <Karthik1> mostly patch applying, remote management (power off/on), push packages remotely, encrypt the local drives, installing agents like Nessus (security/compliance) management
[17:58] <Karthik1> Reporting about users/OS version/Hardware
[17:58] <Karthik1> As of now, its unmanaged fleet, so need essential fleet management capability/bare minimum management
[17:58] <leftyfb> Karthik1: ansible. Though that" encrypt local drive" is a pretty loaded ask
[17:58] <Karthik1> yes leftyfb
[17:59] <Karthik1> you mean ansible playbooks for Linux fleet/desktop management
[18:00] <leftyfb> Karthik1: though this based on my personal preference and experience. It's kind of beyond the scope of this channel. You should try #ubuntu-offtopic for opinions on software. This is more focused on Ubuntu support questions
[18:01] <Karthik2> ok fine
[19:02] <DivanSantana> anyone know if it's possible to install ubuntu (server or whatever) without a gui. I need to via serial.
[19:03] <enigma9o7[m]> Yep, ubuntu server
[19:04] <leftyfb> DivanSantana: https://github.com/ynkjm/ubuntu-serial-install
[19:04] <sarnold> DivanSantana: maas can probably make that task pretty easy; you can probably get there via pxe booting, https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-quickstart , kind of thing
[19:05] <cbreak> you could also install the thing somewhere else or via ipmi, and then just use the image without GUI at all
[19:05] <DivanSantana> awesome. thanks.  good ideas.
[19:06] <DivanSantana> I'm trying on openbsd's vmd.  Which only supports a single core.  When it boots the iso I get Loading install... failed: No such file or directory
[19:07] <DivanSantana> Simarly rhel/rocky doesn't work on vmd because it needs more then one core.  Perhaps ubuntu is the same.  So far I've only been able to install alpine on vmd.  Guess I should check in #openbsd.
[19:42] <TikityTik> I have installed emacs 27.2 via snap, but doing `emacs --version` says it's 26.3
[19:43] <TikityTik> why is this happening? snap list shows emacs 27.2 as well
[19:43] <cbreak> TikityTik: type "which emacs"
[19:43] <TikityTik> cbreak, latest/beta classic alexmurray
[19:43] <leftyfb> TikityTik: type -a emacs
[19:43] <leftyfb> TikityTik: remove the apt package
[19:43] <oerheks> 26.3 must be a deb package?
[19:43] <cbreak> TikityTik: it should tell you a path
[19:44] <cbreak> if you want to be sure you use the one from snap, start it via /snap/bin/emacs
[19:44] <TikityTik> I did sudo apt remove emacs too before the snap
[19:44] <cbreak> but "which" will tell you which one you're using via unqualified lookup
[19:44] <TikityTik> leftyfb, what you mean `-a emacs`?
[19:45] <leftyfb> TikityTik: "type -a emacs"
[19:46] <TikityTik> getting /usr/bin/emacs /bin/emacs /snap/bin/emacs
[19:46] <cbreak> so, yes, you have other emacs in your $PATH
[19:46] <cbreak> either start it as I said above via full path
[19:46] <cbreak> or change your $PATH, or remove the other emacses
[19:47] <TikityTik> why do I still have emacs if I did `apt remove emacs`?
[19:47] <sarnold> This is a metapackage that will always depend on the latest
[19:47] <sarnold>  recommended Emacs variant (currently emacs-gtk).
[19:47] <leftyfb> TikityTik:   apt-cache policy emacs | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:48] <TikityTik> i mean why do i still have the old emacs if i did `apt remove emacs`, when i try typing it again it says it's not installed but it's in my /usr/bin/emacs and /bin/emacs
[19:48] <sarnold> TikityTik: because you don't understand what the 'emacs' package actually provided :)
[19:49] <sarnold> TikityTik: try "apt-cache show emacs" and "dpkg -S /usr/bin/emacs" and you'll probably be enlightened :)
[19:49] <oerheks> reboot, and try again?
[19:49] <oerheks> that would clear stuff
[19:49] <cbreak> ... rebooting shouldn't delete files from /bin ...
[19:50] <TikityTik> sarnold, no path found for that dpkg
[19:50] <sarnold> sigh that might be the usrmerge nonsense.. how about dpkg -S /bin/emacs ?
[19:50] <ogra> TikityTik, emacs is a meta package ... it only depends on the versioned packges that actually carry the binaries
[19:50] <oerheks> cbreak, then emacs is not uninstalled, likely
[19:50] <cbreak> TikityTik: what about "apt-cache show emacs\*"?
[19:50] <ogra> sudo apt purge emacs*
[19:50] <cbreak> oerheks: I think it is indeed not uninstalled
[19:51] <ogra> that should get rid of everything emacs ...
[19:51] <TikityTik> cbreak, I see a package for emacs for that one
[19:51] <TikityTik> i also tried sudo apt install emacs, then sudo apt purge emacs
[19:51] <leftyfb> TikityTik:   apt-cache policy emacs | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:51] <cbreak> chances are you don't have emacs anymore
[19:51] <ogra> TikityTik, put an astersik at the end
[19:51] <cbreak> you have emacs-xxxxx or something
[19:51] <leftyfb> TikityTik: better yet:    apt list --installed |grep emacs
[19:51] <cbreak> that's why the \* there finds it
[19:51] <leftyfb> TikityTik: better yet:    apt list --installed |grep emacs | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:52] <cbreak> (anyway, why not try vim? it's clearly better :D :P )
[19:52] <sarnold> lol
[19:52] <TikityTik> leftyfb, https://termbin.com/1g83
[19:53] <TikityTik> ogra, * gave me an error saying unable to locate package emacsclient and bunch of other stuff
[19:53] <ogra> try emacs-*
[19:53] <leftyfb> TikityTik: sudo apt remove --purge emacs-bin-common emacs-common emacs-el emacs-gtk emacs emacsen-common
[19:53] <ogra> the dash should only try to remove the versioned packages
[19:53] <cbreak> TikityTik: that's why I wrote \*, to shell escape the *
[19:54] <leftyfb> ogra: "emacs" is still installed
[19:54] <ogra> nope
[19:54] <leftyfb> yes https://termbin.com/1g83
[19:54] <ogra> it will be removed with its dependencies whe we run autoremove next 😉
[19:54] <ogra> *when
[19:55] <TikityTik> cbreak, it deleted stuff this time. thanks
[19:55] <ogra> leftyfb, my reciepe was: sudo apt purge emacs-* ... the sudo apt autoremove ... that should get rid of everything
[19:57] <cbreak> you should shell escape the * :/
[19:57] <cbreak> or quote
[19:58] <ogra> hmm, yeah
[19:58] <TikityTik> thanks guys, i think that fixed everything
[19:58] <ogra> yay
[19:58] <oerheks> have fun!
[20:11] <davidd> thinking about removing snap from my personal server. the only thing I really see that's installed is lxd. if I remove that, will it interfere with docker?
[20:12] <cbreak> docker is separate I think
[20:13] <leftyfb> davidd: snap list
[20:13] <leftyfb> davidd: if you don't have anything installed, then you'll be fine
[20:13] <davidd> yea I ran snap list and all I see is core and lxd
[20:13] <davidd> ok
[20:13] <davidd> thanks
[20:21] <Niekdo> should i install the authy snap? i mean i dont like snaps but it is more convenient
[20:22] <leftyfb> Niekdo: you're the only one that can answer that
[20:23] <cbreak> do you want to have that authy thing?
[20:23] <cbreak> it doesn't seem to be in the ubuntu apt, so ... if it's available as snap, then that's not a terrible choice.
[20:23] <cbreak> maybe you can get an app-image or flatpack from somewhere as an alternative.
[20:24] <oerheks> snaps guarantee updates
[20:24]  * oerheks is a snap-fanatic
[20:25] <cbreak> oerheks: I don't think they guarantee updates
[20:25] <cbreak> if the dev abandons them, then that's it.
[20:25] <oerheks> * if available
[20:26] <oerheks> avoiding your update behaviour
[20:26] <Niekdo> nevermind, im installing it
[20:26] <cbreak> the biggest problem I think snaps have is that they're quite baked, so you have to get an update if anything in the base or aplication image is buggy
[20:27] <cbreak> unlike plain apt, which has updates for individual packages
[20:27] <oerheks> as developer, i can guarantee updates.
[20:49] <onio> Hello I am running Release 21.04 (Hirsute Hippo) 64-bit I have a USB3.0 device that is connected to a USB3 hub. When I start machine the device appears as USB2 until I disconnect and reconnect cable
[20:52] <tomreyn> 21.04 | onio
[20:52] <tomreyn> !21.04 | onio
[20:54] <onio> ah okay, thanks for pointing that out. I kept planning to upgrade but I have too much stuff that I was worried would break
[20:55] <sarnold> you may be a good candidate for sticking to an LTS release, once you're upgraded to one :)
[20:57] <ash_worksi> I'll try asking again; so there's really no shortcut to dismissing notifications?
[20:58] <onio> Yes I have always stuck to LTS versions. I don't know why I changed this time around.
[20:58] <enigma9o7[m]> Click on them?
[20:59] <ash_worksi> enigma9o7[m]: without clicking on them :P
[21:01] <enigma9o7[m]> What is shorter than that?
[21:01] <enigma9o7[m]> What do you want?
[21:19] <Dro_> hello, I'm have a currently a 500 GB SSD (with windows 11 installed).. I'm planning to install Ubuntu 20.04 (keeping windows), but not sure about how to do partitions..any recommandations?
[21:19] <Jeremy31> Dro_: Do a complete backup of Windows before doing anything
[21:20] <Jeremy31> Once you have a backup/image of the Windows install, see if the Ubuntu installer gives you the install along Windows option
[21:21] <Dro_> Currently I'm thinking about to do lie this: 100GB for Windows11 - 100GB for / (ext4), 8GB for swap , 92GB for /home - 200GB FAT32 (for data)
[21:21] <Dro_> what do you think guys?
[21:22] <Dro_> Jeremy31, sure I'll do a backup
[21:22] <oerheks> Ubuntu installs in a single partition, but you are free to choose manually
[21:22] <Dro_> I'm used to separate / and /home
[21:22] <oerheks> let windows make free space, with diskmanagment.
[21:22] <Dro_> I'm just thinking about how mucuh space should I leave for each partition :D
[21:23] <Jeremy31> I would just let Ubuntu do the repartitioning after making the backup
[21:23] <jhutchins> I haven't done a dual-boot (except multiple Linuxes) for a long time, these days I just create the restore disks (for future sales) and nuke it.  For a while, there were rumors you had to use the Windows disk manager to re-size partitions.  I gather that's no longer true?
[21:24] <oerheks> to avoid windows antivirus issues, i would
[21:24] <Jeremy31> jhutchins: I cloned the Win 10 install on this HP when I bought it and then tested installing Ubuntu along side and it worked fine
[21:24] <jhutchins> Dro_: Partitioning guarantees that the space you need will be on the wrong partition.  Unless you know EXACTLY where you will need space, do a single partition + swap.
[21:25] <oerheks> and windows gives a max available free space possibility
[21:25] <oerheks> alignment and such
[21:26] <Dro_> jhutchins, in fact i think the separation will be good in case if your / partition is corrupted, you'll still able to access /home :D or in case of upgrade problem..
[21:30] <oerheks> and.. when your /home is corrupt?
[21:31] <Jeremy31> Dro_: Any chance there is a second place for a SSD?
[21:32] <onio> Hi just upgraded my Ubuntu to Release 21.10 (Impish Indri) 64-bit) but the problem of USB 3.0 device been seen as USB 2.0 still remains
[21:32] <Dro_> oerheks, in this case no solution :D but at lease its a good idea to separate to minimize risks
[21:33] <Dro_> Jeremy31, a second place?
[21:34] <oerheks> onio, are you sure it is inserted in a blue usb port? ( = usb3)
[21:34] <Jeremy31> Dro_: I bought a gateway laptop that had a 500GB m2 SSD and it had a second m2 slot, and that is where my Ubuntu install went
[21:34] <Dro_> btw does the partitions order matters?
[21:34] <oerheks> and are you sure it is an usb3 device?
[21:34] <Jeremy31> no, Dro_
[21:34] <Dro_> Jeremy31, aha, for my case I only have one slot :/
[21:36] <onio> oerheks, yes it is. If I plug out and plug back in then it starts reporting as USB 3.0 but once the pc reboots then I have to do disconnect/reconnect to get working again
[21:37] <oerheks> onio, how about checking for a bios update?
[21:38] <onio> oerheks, okay I would try and to that then. Thanks
[21:40] <oerheks> it is worth a check..
[21:40] <onio> let me check that now.
[21:42] <oerheks> sudo dmidecode -s bios-version
[21:42] <oerheks> oh
[21:42] <leftyfb> Dro_: I really wouldn't bother making a separate /home on the same drive. There's really not a lot of benefit
[21:44] <jhutchins> Dro_: The traditional Unix partitioning scheme comes from the era when a 10MB hard drive was as big as a washing machine and cost as much as a car.
[21:45] <jhutchins> In this day and age there really is no reason for it.  Full disks and corruption don't care about partitions, they are no defense.
[21:45] <jhutchins> Dro_: It causes more problems than it prevents.
[21:47] <oerheks> at least ubuntu removes old kernels with the next update run :-D, no more full /boot
[21:47] <oerheks> have fun! whatever you choose
[21:51] <oerheks> hi peter
[21:53] <arooni> if i have a hard drive that was full disk encrypted thru the setup wizard on ubuntu 20.04; then the laptop died, so i put it in a usb enclosure; how do i recover the data?  i have a macbook pro that isn't recongizing it and an extra machine desktop computer.  i remember the encreyption key
[21:56] <matsaman> probably you'd want to boot a live GNU/Linux, or otherwise use a GNU/Linux to do that
[21:56] <oerheks> arooni, on an ubuntu live iso it is easy; https://blog.hackzenwerk.org/2020/05/12/mounting-external-luks-encrypted-drive-on-ubuntu-20/
[21:59] <arooni> i have an ubuntu machine running can i  use that instead
[21:59] <arooni> its a 20.04 machine
[22:00] <arooni> when i insert it i see a prompt for the password ; i enter it correctly and i see "Error unlocking "499 gb encrypted: error unlocking /dev/sdc3: failed to activate device: file exists"
[22:00] <oerheks> oh dear
[22:00] <arooni> what does that mean?
[22:01] <oerheks> i am not sure your drive is corrupted too
[22:01] <arooni> you think the drive is corrupted?
[22:01] <arooni> oh noes
[22:35] <EriC^^> arooni: that sounds like maybe it already is decrypted or something, what does 'lsblk -f' show?
[22:36] <EriC^^> probably a good idea to use cryptsetup to manually try to decrypt it
[22:45] <arooni> i got it working!!!
[22:45] <oerheks> yay
[22:45] <enigma9o7[m]> That pleases me.
[22:46] <arooni> thanks to https://askubuntu.com/questions/766048/mount-unknown-filesystem-type-lvm2-member ;; answer #2
[22:46] <arooni> you and me both!
[22:46] <arooni> had something to do with this i think, though i don't understand it completely "You used the exact same name (ubuntu-vg) for your new volume group as the old volume group. You must give them unique names. You can rename one of the groups using vgrename and its UUID.
[22:46] <arooni> what's the best way to pull data from this machine to my new one?  rsync?
[22:47] <arooni> i.e. now that its mounted
[23:28] <ash_worksi> enigma9o7[m]: sorry, I meant a shortcut key
[23:29] <ash_worksi> to those who didn't see my question: is there really no shortcut to dismiss notifications?
[23:29] <enigma9o7[m]> Sorry, I forgot what you're try9ing to do?
[23:29] <enigma9o7[m]> Ah ok, you answered as I typed the question.
[23:29] <enigma9o7[m]> What do you use for notifications now?
[23:29] <enigma9o7[m]> the default gnome desktop stuff?
[23:30] <ash_worksi> yeah
[23:31] <ash_worksi> like, I don't want to _ignore_ the notifications, I just want to be able to easily dismiss them
[23:32] <ash_worksi> and I am on a laptop with a trackpad what I have an aversion to
[23:33] <oerheks> Nope, no shortcut, exept the one i gave you already to open notifications..
[23:33] <oerheks> win+v
[23:34] <oerheks> tab tab tab hit clear
[23:35] <sarnold> that sounds annoying; that might be worth a bug report to ask for a shortcut key for that
[23:35] <ash_worksi> boo
[23:36] <ash_worksi> is there something I can map using xdotool or something?
[23:55] <enigma9o7[m]> Yeah I think you need to ask the gnome devs to add a keyboard shortcut for that, but that doesnt help you now.
[23:56] <enigma9o7[m]> but I 100% agree that would be useful
[23:57] <enigma9o7[m]> Soemtimes I wanna take a screenshot and have to click on notifications to get rid of them.
[23:57] <oerheks> i find no clue in dconf editor, ash_worksi


[12:25] <tlonim> I am having issues with launchpad website auth, is there anyone managing that available here. I have emailed isd-support@canonical but I haven't received any reply yet.
[12:44] <wgrant> tlonim: Launchpad admins can't help directly with Ubuntu One account problems, unfortunately. But what's the issue?
[12:45] <tlonim> wgrant: issue with 2fa.. It says I need to contact on #isd channel but doens't mention the network
[12:45] <tlonim> where can I contact for this
[12:46] <wgrant> tlonim: Ah, that message is out of date, as #isd is on the internal Canonical network. Emailing that support address as you did is the correct thing to do.
[12:46] <wgrant> Have you tried your recovery codes?
[12:47] <tlonim> I am not sure I got any recovery codes... I setup the 2fa like 8 months ago, it ddn't ask me for code till now
[12:49] <wgrant> Ah, that's going to be a problem, if you have no valid 2FA codes at all.
[12:49] <wgrant> It's obviously quite awkward to recover accounts in that situation, as the account owner has clearly asked for more verification.
[12:49] <wgrant> You'll need to wait for a reply to your email.'
[12:50] <tlonim> ok
[12:51] <tlonim> also the type of 2FA launchpad has is something different from others.. only few like google authenticator . work. Authy etc. dont
[12:54] <wgrant> tlonim: Ubuntu One (which Launchpad uses for authentication) uses HOTP, which is supported by many 2FA devices (including physical ones, eg. YubiKeys). Authy only supports the time-based variant, TOTP.
[12:56] <tlonim> wgrant: right
[12:56] <tlonim> HOTP it is
[12:57] <tlonim> wgrant: isn't there any channel for ubuntu one website auth/login issues
[12:59] <wgrant> tlonim: I think they do it all via email. I can see you submitted the ticket less than 24 hours ago, so I'd give it a bit longer.
[12:59] <tlonim> wgrant: ah,  thanks for checking
[13:00] <tlonim> the problem with google authenticator is that it is not easy to keep it across devices. the device where I had HOTP of launchpad was wiped out due to hardware issues
[13:00] <tlonim> with authy etc. I can maintain it across devices
[13:00] <wgrant> A cloud-based 2FA tool seems like a disaster waiting to happen, defeating the purpose of 2FA, TBH.
[13:10] <tlonim> well..they don't store the secrets
[13:10] <tlonim> it is encrypted by a passphrase
[13:10] <tlonim> if you lose that,then you can't recover
[13:11] <tlonim> (client side encrypted)
[13:11] <wgrant> Right, but the first factor is already a static password.
[13:12] <wgrant> If the second factor is also a static password...
[13:33] <dobey> tlonim, wgrant: i think there is #canonical-is or something on freenode for getting help with the u1 account issues
[13:45] <mapreri> dobey: that's #canonical-sysadmin
[13:45] <dobey> oh right, yeah, that
[14:06] <tlonim> I see #canonical-isd
[14:06] <tlonim> does #canonical-sysadmin manage these?
[14:16]  * cjwatson retries all the dependency-wait builds potentially affected by a bug in launchpad-buildd 127
[14:16] <cjwatson> (and probably a few more, but it's relatively harmless to try these again)
[14:18] <cjwatson> tlonim: #canonical-isd only has one actual Canonical sysadmin type in it that I can see, and I don't believe he does anything related to this.  Try #canonical-sysadmin.
[16:18] <brendand> just made a total hash of my projects trunk, can anyone help undo it?
[16:20] <cjwatson> brendand: In a bzr kind of way?
[16:20] <brendand> cjwatson, quelle bzr
[16:21] <cjwatson> (otherwise known as: please give more details)
[16:21] <brendand> cjwatson, actually maybe i'm just panicking. i accidentally pushed an unmerged branch over it and then in my panic trying to fix it, did bzr uncommit and bzr push --overwrite
[16:22] <brendand> cjwatson, and it's lp:ubuntu-system-tests
[16:22] <cjwatson> Well, it's all still there in your local repository
[16:22] <cjwatson> You should be able to find the old tip revision ID with "bzr heads --all" or similar
[16:24] <cjwatson> Then "bzr pull -rrevid:REVISION-ID ." once you find the correct revision ID, check all looks sensible, "bzr push --overwrite"
[16:24] <brendand> cjwatson, is bzr heads a plugin?
[16:24] <cjwatson> It's in bzrtools
[16:26] <cjwatson> You can use "bzr log -rrevid:REVISION-ID" to look at a given revision by ID
[16:27] <cjwatson> Or even just leaving out the revid: will typically be fine
[16:34] <brendand> cjwatson, that doesn't undo the overwrite though?
[16:35] <cjwatson> brendand: The pull will undo it locally once you find the right revision ID, and then "bzr push --overwrite" will force the remote tip to be the same as your local tip.
[16:35] <cjwatson> 17:23 <cjwatson> Then "bzr pull -rrevid:REVISION-ID ." once you find the correct revision ID, check all looks sensible, "bzr push --overwrite"
[16:36] <brendand> cjwatson, bzr heads --all only shows one revision, does that sound right?
[16:38] <cjwatson> brendand: Try "bzr heads --dead-only"
[16:38] <brendand> cjwatson, that actually shows nothing
[16:39] <brendand> cjwatson, although i think i already pulled the one revision that heads --all showed
[16:41] <cjwatson> brendand: Well, I'm pretty sure it's still in there somewhere.  Maybe there's still the odd bzr expert around in #bzr who could help you dig it out?
[17:31] <Laney> Using saved push location: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-terminal/ubuntu/
[17:31] <Laney> bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', 'TypeError', "_makeBranchTransport() got an unexpected keyword argument 'private'")
[17:31] <Laney> what does this mean?
[17:31] <Laney> oh how timely, I loaded the bug list and saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1458948 at the top
[17:34] <robru> Laney: oh I'm getting the same thing on every branch I try
[17:35] <Laney> One Of Those Things
[17:35] <Laney> I'm sure it'll get fixed soon
[17:39] <lazyPower> Are there any known outages occurring with launchpad at the moment?
[17:39] <lazyPower> i'm attempting to branch charm-helpers - a public project - and getting a typeerror on makebranchtransport thinking its private
[17:39] <lazyPower> bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', 'TypeError', "_makeBranchTransport() got an unexpected keyword argument 'private'")
[17:39] <jose> same error reported by Laney a while ago
[17:40] <lazyPower> ok, so long as its known :)
[17:40] <Laney> expect this to be reported every two minutes until it's fixed :)
[17:41] <jose> cjwatson, wgrant: ^^
[17:41] <Laney> they know
[17:41] <Laney> have been pinged 9999 times now
[17:45] <Laney> works now
[17:49] <robru> Laney: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/5010/console just saw it fail in the train
[17:51] <robru> Laney: nm, worked on retry
[18:30] <cjwatson> vila: you should probably check for "ps x | grep ssh" etc.
[18:42] <vila> cjwatson: laptop solved, I have a weird issue lately around losing my DNS until I restart<EMAIL_ADDRESS>On the desktop, juju has some ssh sessions in fly, can't touch them for now
[18:43] <cjwatson> It's hopefully just something auto-sharing with those
[18:53] <bdmurray> cjwatson: https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#archives What is an Archive reference string?
[18:55] <cjwatson> bdmurray: It should be properly documented and AFAIK isn't, but https://git.launchpad.net/launchpad/tree/lib/lp/soyuz/model/archive.py#n2253
[18:55] <cjwatson> (Not that we're on git officially yet, but it's so much faster for this ...)
[18:57] <bdmurray> cjwatson: got it, thanks
[22:01] <KDDA> hi folks, does anyone know why LP keeps asking me to log in over and over when trying to add a PGP key?
[22:04] <blr> KDDA: hmm that sounds odd, wgrant is that something you've seen before?
[22:04] <wgrant> KDDA: It shouldn't ask you over and over, but it should ask you if you haven't logged in in the last five minutes.
[22:05] <KDDA> it asks me over and over
[22:05] <wgrant> What exactly are the steps you perform, how long do they take, and when does the unexpected behaviour occur?
[22:05] <KDDA> and my password is long, so if I use Lastpass it redirects me and accuses me of being a bot
[22:06] <KDDA> Bad Request - Bad bot, go away! Request aborted.
[22:09] <wgrant> So it sounds like it's not asking over and over, but it's not letting you authenticate at all.
[22:09] <wgrant> Is that the case?
[22:09] <wgrant> Repeatedly asking != displaying an error
[22:10] <blr> incidentally, if you are a bot KDDA, you've passed the turing test!
[22:11] <KDDA> when I enter the information manually, it appears to log in
[22:12] <KDDA> but when I click on add key, I go back into the same loop
[22:13] <wgrant> KDDA: Does it automatically redirect you to the form once you log in?
[22:14] <KDDA> no, goes back to my account
[22:14] <wgrant> Have you tried a fresh browser session?
[22:14] <KDDA> it asks me do I want to share my name and email with Launchpad
[22:14] <KDDA> I click yes
[22:14] <KDDA> yes, I have been trying this for over a week now
[22:14] <KDDA> different session
[22:15] <wgrant> What happens when you click yes?
[22:15] <KDDA> I go to my account page
[22:15] <wgrant> What's the exact URL?
[22:16] <KDDA> for which part of the loop?
[22:16] <ali1234> i used to have that problem when trying to log in to stack exchange with launchpad openid
[22:16] <ali1234> i cleared my browser cookies and that fixed it
[22:17] <wgrant> KDDA: The URL you land on after you click yes.
[22:17] <KDDA> ah, you're a star ali1234
[22:17] <blr> ali1234: that's what I would have thought, weird that it persists in a new/incognito session.
[22:18] <ali1234> ah, i didn't see anything about any incognito session
[22:18] <KDDA> thats better, my key is pending validation
[22:18] <KDDA> thanks ali1234
[22:19] <ali1234> firefox?
[22:19] <KDDA> yes
[22:19] <ali1234> same. and i had the same profile since like 2006
[22:19] <KDDA> cleared all cookies, and relogged
[22:19] <ali1234> a lot of stuff started breaking. i couldn't comment on youtube (no, not because of G+ either)
[22:19] <KDDA> yeah, Ive have my ubuntu one account for a while
[22:19] <KDDA> only setting up LP now
[22:20] <ali1234> i mean... firefox profile
[22:20] <ali1234> it's one of the few things i keep when reinstalling
[22:21] <blr> glad it is working for you now KDDA, thanks ali1234.


[13:42] <OvenWerks> done
[13:42] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: 2.2.7
[13:44] <OvenWerks> sorry I didn't see it yesterday
[14:15] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: got strange email from china claiming to be a registar, did you also get it?
[14:23] <OvenWerks> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9zbKtpj6Cp/
[14:26]  * OvenWerks notes that it is sent on Sunday... also known as spam/scam day so probably not real... ie the office to call is probably closed and the link etc. will vanish monday
[14:27] <OvenWerks> either that or the company asking for the domains chose Sunday
[14:32] <OvenWerks> If you have an address I can forward it to I will.
[14:33] <OvenWerks> however I would suspect the same company also requested the rest of the ubuntu domains as well. (are they connected to the company that "bought" freenode?)
[14:58] <OvenWerks> Actually it is more likely a "you gotta buy these domains now, so they don't" thing
[22:07] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Canonical owns our domain, so it's likely spam.
[22:10] <OvenWerks> I expect so. They own the ubuntu mark as well.


[13:20] <ricotz> tseliot, hi, why didn't you upload nvidia-settings 384.90?
[13:20] <tseliot> ricotz: hi. It wasn't available in the git repository. Is there any desirable in 384.90?
[13:21] <ricotz> tseliot, http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/nvidia-settings/nvidia-settings-384.90.tar.bz2
[13:21] <ricotz> also in the ppa
[13:24] <tseliot> ricotz: I can only see string changes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25713756/
[13:25] <tseliot> no bug fixes or anything particularly valuable
[13:26] <ricotz> tseliot, right, given this is for the artful release matching versions would be appropriate
[13:27] <tseliot> the previous release was 367, so I wanted something a little newer
[13:28] <ricotz> I am referring to the version of nvidia-graphics-drivers-384
[13:29] <tseliot> yes, nvidia-graphics-drivers-384 is 384.90, whereas nvidia-settings was still at 367
[13:29] <tseliot> I have to focus on high priority bugs for now
[20:21] <syeh_> Hi, on 17.10, when the user requests 1360x768 32bpp mode, the pitch that I get in the DRM is 5632 (vs 1360*768 = 5440), does anyone happen to know how this pitch is determined?