[02:45] <nhaines> Oh wow, isn't there some kind of thing happening in like 15 minutes?
[02:45] <ianorlin> yes
[02:46]  * ianorlin wishes I knew had to use the bot
[02:46] <nhaines> Oh, I can do that.  I think.
[02:47] <ianorlin> rww do you know where the bots manual is?
[02:48] <rww> yes, sec
[02:48] <rww> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[02:48] <darthrobot> Title: [meetingology - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:49] <rww> tl;dr: #startmeeting, #chair nhaines elky ianorlin, #topic rww is cool, #action nhaines to do stuff, #endmeeting
[02:49] <rww> i think that's all we usually use
[02:59] <nhaines> Okay, let me get some alcohol and then we'll get this meeting started.
[03:02] <nhaines> #startmeeting
[03:02] <darthrobot> Meeting started Mon Jan 12 03:02:24 2015 UTC.  The chair is nhaines. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[03:02] <nhaines> #chair nhaines elky ianorlin
[03:02] <darthrobot> Current chairs: elky ianorlin nhaines
[03:02] <elky> hi
[03:02] <nhaines> #topic Roll call
[03:02] <elky> o/
[03:02] <ianorlin> o/
[03:02] <nhaines> Happy new year to everyone!  Who's around?
[03:03] <DonkeyHotei> o/
[03:03]  * nhaines raises rww's hand.
[03:04] <elky> he's in a wow dungeon
[03:04] <nhaines> I will pray for his escape from proprietary software.
[03:04] <elky> you do that
[03:04] <elky> brb, checkin gthe cat isn't trashing the kitchen
[03:04] <nhaines> elky: I can save you time, because you know he is.
[03:05] <nhaines> Okay, so this is the first meeting of the new year.  And with a new year, we have new LoCo leadership.
[03:05] <nhaines> The results of the latest leadership election are available at http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_72c9ad18f9a9419e
[03:05] <darthrobot> Title: [CIVS poll result]
[03:06] <elky> spoiler: it was us
[03:06]  * ianorlin knows
[03:06] <nhaines> Ubuntu California is a team of advocates, and I know the three of us are looking forward to working with all of the members to help each of us do awesome stuff this year.
[03:06] <nhaines> Massive thanks to pleia2, rww, and philipballew for working so hard to keep things up and running.
[03:07] <elky> nhaines: he was up on the fridge eating styrofoam packaging that we put up on the fridge to keep away from him.
[03:07] <nhaines> elky: sounds like a good use of distraction.
[03:07] <elky> he is well versed in the art
[03:07] <nhaines> Okay, so with the preliminaries out of the way, let's look at the agenda.
[03:07] <nhaines> #topic Agenda items
[03:07] <nhaines> The agenda for this meeting is availble here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15January11
[03:07] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15January11 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:08] <elky> it has one agenda item on it
[03:08] <nhaines> The first item on the list is Ubuntu Global Jam planning.
[03:08] <elky> what do we usually do for this?
[03:08] <nhaines> The vivid UGJ takes place over the weekend of February 6-8.
[03:08] <nhaines> Usually we have local meetings where attendees gather together to do awesome stuff.
[03:09] <nhaines> Originally it was bug triage, but documentation, development, and so on can also be great activities.
[03:09] <nhaines> It looks like pleia2 is planning to do Xubuntu ISO testing at Gandi in San Francisco.
[03:10] <nhaines> I have to stress that not only is this important work and easy to do, but you can learn how to do it there at UGJ and apply those same steps to your favorite flavor if that's not Xubuntu.
[03:11] <nhaines> Does anyone else have any plans for an event?
[03:12] <elky> not i
[03:12]  * rww appears
[03:12] <rww> me either, I'm hoping to go to the Xubuntu one though
[03:12] <nhaines> Okay, I think it'd be a good idea to bring this up on the mailing list, and hopefully we'll get some more people thinking about this.  It's still a month away.
[03:12] <nhaines> #action Somebody--probably rww--should email the list and encourage UGJ events.
[03:12] <darthrobot> ACTION: Somebody--probably rww--should email the list and encourage UGJ events.
[03:13] <rww> lol no
[03:13] <rww> i think you misspelled "elky"
[03:13] <nhaines> I feel like a leader already.
[03:13] <nhaines> #topic Open business
[03:13] <nhaines> That's all the agenda items.  Does anyone else have anything they want to discuss?
[03:13] <rww> how's scale planning going?
[03:14] <ianorlin> slowly
[03:14] <nhaines> It's going pretty well.  I'm waiting on SCALE to announce the expo floor dates so I can make the schedule public and get volunteers to commit to shifts.
[03:14] <nhaines> Gareth was awesome enough to fill me in privately, so we're just waiting on them now.
[03:15] <ianorlin> what about for things for the booth I am planning on bringing my desktop
[03:15] <nhaines> In addition to the usual awesomeness, we're working hard to get actual retail Ubuntu phones to demonstrate on the show floor.
[03:15] <nhaines> ianorlin: you can sign up and list equipment right away.
[03:15] <ianorlin> isn't the wiki page basicaly blank now
[03:16] <nhaines> No, it's fully up to date.  You can sign up to bring equipment here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale13x
[03:16] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale13x - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:16] <nhaines> Once the embargo on the expo floor schedule is lifted, I'll send out an email to the mailing list.
[03:17] <ianorlin> #action ianorlin add equipment he is bringing to list
[03:17] <darthrobot> ACTION: ianorlin add equipment he is bringing to list
[03:17] <nhaines> At the moment, I also have two plans to provide volunteers with shirts to wear as a booth uniform.
[03:17] <nhaines> So at least one of those plans should pan out.
[03:18] <nhaines> The booth's worked out pretty well, but we're going to up the level of professionalism a bit.
[03:18] <elky> good idea if the phones will be there
[03:18] <nhaines> I'm also working on a training video that volunteers can watch to learn more about the Ubuntu phone, so they'll be ready to answer questions from expo goers.
[03:19] <nhaines> I just got the raw footage back last night, but I should have it finished by February 1st at the latest.
[03:19] <nhaines> That's about it, but I'm also eager for any suggestions to improve the booth.
[03:19] <DonkeyHotei> blinky lights?
[03:20] <nhaines> Not sure about blinky lights.  But we might want to brainstorm a better way to showcase Ubuntu flavors.
[03:20] <nhaines> Does anyone have anything else they'd like to talk about?
[03:21] <ianorlin> I think my desktop could run all the flavors in vms at once
[03:21] <rww> unity is terribad in a VM for me :[
[03:21] <nhaines> rww: needs more guest extentions.
[03:22] <rww> it has guest extensions
[03:22] <ianorlin> I would be using kvm
[03:23] <nhaines> Okay, so if we have a machine with Ubuntu flavors in VMs, we can dedicate that to showing off flavors.
[03:23] <nhaines> Alright, I guess that's about it for SCALE for now.
[03:23] <nhaines> I'll get discussion going on the mailing list soon.
[03:24] <nhaines> Tuesday night I'm giving a presentation at the Los Angeles Computer Society: http://www.lacspc.org/
[03:24] <darthrobot> Title: [Los Angeles Computer Society | Users Helping Users]
[03:24] <Gareth> nhaines: it'll be public knowledge soon enough.  Feel free to share the times.
[03:24] <nhaines> Gareth: fantastic and thank you!  Didn't want to step on toes.  :)
[03:24] <Gareth> No worries.
[03:25] <nhaines> In that case, the SCALE booth will be open Friday from 2-6pm, Saturday from 10-6pm, and Sunday from 10-2pm.
[03:25] <ianorlin> when do we get talks for for ubucon planned out?
[03:25] <nhaines> So we'll have four shifts of four hours each, and we need volunteers.  The wiki will be updated after the meeting.
[03:26] <nhaines> ianorlin: the LoCo isn't involved with Ubucon, but you can contact Richard Gaskin for more info.  I suspect he'll have everything announced at the same time SCALE publishes their schedule.
[03:26] <ianorlin> ah ok
[03:26] <nhaines> That said, I'm working with Richard to see if we can get Ubucon speakers to stop by the booth to be available for questions.
[03:27] <nhaines> In the same vein, I've asked Stuart Langridge from Bad Voltage to visit the Ubuntu booth and show off his Ubuntu phone as well.
[03:27] <nhaines> So we'll have some "celebrity" appearances from time to time.  :)
[03:28] <nhaines> Okay, I think that's about it.  I'm talking at LACS Tuesday, and that'll be fun.  I'm going to pass out a couple Ubuntu books and a couple Ubuntu DVDs.
[03:28] <nhaines> They're a Computer User Group and most haven't heard of Linux other than in passing, so I'll be talking about Free Software and the history of Linux and Ubuntu before giving a demonstration.
[03:28] <nhaines> And if no one else has any other news or announcements, I think we'll call it a meeting.
[03:29] <DonkeyHotei> general-purpose computer user groups still exist?
[03:29] <nhaines> Indeed they do!  I need to get in touch with the North Orange County Computer Club some time.
[03:30] <elky> yes
[03:30] <nhaines> Maybe I'll see if I can reuse my Tuesday presentation.
[03:31] <nhaines> Okay, the next meeting will be on January 25th, at 19:00 PST.
[03:31] <nhaines> Thank you all for coming!  Let's all work together to make 2015 a fantastic year for the LoCo and Ubuntu!
[03:32] <nhaines> #endmeeting
[03:32] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Jan 12 03:32:00 2015 UTC.
[03:32] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2015/ubuntu-us-ca.2015-01-12-03.02.moin.txt
[03:33] <nhaines> Well, that was easy.
[03:33] <nhaines> I assume all the things that happen after the meeting just just automatic now?
[03:33] <elky> i believe so
[03:33] <nhaines> Then we're all set.
[03:44] <MarkDude> Yay, Scale
[03:59] <nhaines> Oh cool: http://www.lacspc.org/Various/Flyer.pdf
[04:00] <darthrobot> Content type: [application/pdf] Size: [330101]
[04:01] <nhaines> Oh hey, Gareth, the Los Angeles Computer Society is a computer club that isn't familiar with Linux but is very intrigued.  The leadership board was very interested in the idea of SCALE.  I'm going to push it hard at my next talk.
[04:02] <nhaines> Is there any chance they could get a discount code to use?  I have no idea what the procedure is for that.
[04:02] <Gareth> nhaines: awesome.
[04:02] <Gareth> nhaines: of course.
[04:04] <nhaines> Gareth: Awesome.  I think it'd get them really excited about Linux.  And it's probably the nicest introduction you can get.
[04:04] <nhaines> As far as general levels of excitement and friendliness.
[04:08] <MarkDude> Good stuff :)
[04:11] <Gareth> nhaines: one sec.  let me get the code for you.
[04:12] <nhaines> Gareth: thanks!  I'll be able to send it to the board tonight, and I'll see if I can shove it into my presentation slides.  ;)
[04:13] <Gareth> nhaines: LACS - 50% off.
[04:19] <nhaines> Gareth: excellent!  I'll get that to them right away.  Thanks so much.  :)
[04:22] <Gareth> No worries.
[04:50] <pleia2> sorry for missing the meeting, I broke my hermitude this week and brought a flu home, that'll teach me ;)
[04:52] <nhaines> pleia2: the Big Blue Room is not to be taken lightly!  ;)
[04:53] <pleia2> dangerous place
[04:59]  * pleia2 back2bed
[05:01] <nhaines> pleia2: hope you feel better soon.  :)
[05:06]  * ianorlin hopes pleia2 feels better
[05:13] <DonkeyHotei> MJ better get a flu shot so that someone can make the chicken soup
[06:46] <ianorlin> set the next meeting in topic
[06:46] <ianorlin> should probably be doen
[06:51] <DonkeyHotei> don't you have ops now?
[07:03] <nhaines> I will do any outstanding post-meeting stuff on Wednesday.  But it's crunch time for a few things right now.
[07:33] <rww> DonkeyHotei: nope. the channel ops list is me, Philip, Lyz, Grant, and Nathan.
[07:34] <rww> and as for the rest of it,
[07:34] <rww> !itsawiki
[07:34] <darthrobot> rww: Error: "itsawiki" is not a valid command.
[07:34] <Eureka> Factoid itsawiki not found
[07:34] <rww> hrm, i swear that was a thing
[07:34] <rww> Eureka: wiki
[07:34] <Eureka> rww: Error: 'http://localhost/CaliforniaWiki.rss' is not a valid url.
[07:34] <Eureka> http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[07:34] <darthrobot> [R: wiki.ubuntu.com] Title: [Home - Ubuntu Wiki]
[07:34] <darthrobot> Title: [CommunityHelpWiki - Community Help Wiki]
[07:34] <rww> fine :(
[07:37] <DonkeyHotei> fail
[07:40] <rww> apparently i should not have assumed we have a working factoid bot like we used to :)
[07:41] <rww> (and hey, I did get the trigger right the first time. oh well)
[07:42] <DonkeyHotei> welp the bot is still here
[07:43] <rww> that would seem to be obvious, yes
[08:11] <nhaines> Do I have to be in the offtopic channel now that I'm a leader?
[08:12] <DonkeyHotei> [Mon 2015-01-12 12:12:20 AM PST] * Users on #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic: philipballew DonkeyHotei Chaser @pleia2 elky grantbow
[08:12] <rww> no, the more people in there the more likely someone will actually talk and break the silence


[17:28] <fta> dpm_, weren't we supposed to have a meeting?
[17:31] <dpm_> fta, I thought I'd send an e-mail first. I've got a call with Danilo tomorrow morning, where I want to discuss some of the LP changes to understand them myself. Perhaps we could do it after that? Shall we chat again tomorrow noon and then see if we can meet here or in #launchpad?
[17:31] <fta> ok
[21:11] <fta> chrisccoulson, just wondering.. why are so many canonical guys using chrome instead of chromium
[21:11] <chrisccoulson> fta - are they? i didn't know that ;)
[21:11] <fta> chrisccoulson, like jorge
[21:11] <fta> all his blog posts have it
[21:11] <chrisccoulson> fta - i thought he was using chromium
[21:11] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, not sure why then
[21:14] <fta> well, his blog is dead atm
[21:14] <fta> "Our servers are over capacity and certain pages may be temporarily unavailable. We're incredibly sorry for the inconvenience."
[21:14] <fta> lol
[21:15] <fta> chrisccoulson, http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/2883661045/other-ways-to-integrate-with-web-apps
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, i get that message too
[21:16] <fta> refresh
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> i can't answer your question though, you might be better off asking jorge :)
[21:17] <fta> chrisccoulson, it was more of a generic question, his blog popped up 1st as an example
[21:17] <fta> weird for people promoting free software to use that
[21:17] <fta> well
[21:20] <fta> btw, i've implemented an easy way to add dist specific patches in chromium
[21:20] <fta> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-browser.head/view/head:/debian/patches/series
[21:21] <fta> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-browser.head/view/head:/debian/enable-dist-patches.pl
[21:28] <chrisccoulson> fta - nice. i might borrow that for firefox at some point ;)
[21:28] <BUGabundo> o/
[21:29] <chrisccoulson> i added some similar functionality a while ago, and then removed it again because i ended up not needing it
[21:29] <chrisccoulson> but your way is better ;)
[21:29] <fta> i just need:
[21:30] <fta> post-patches::
[21:30] <fta> 	perl $(CURDIR)/debian/enable-dist-patches.pl $(DEBIAN_DIST_VERSION) $(CURDIR)/debian/patches/series
[21:30] <fta> before
[21:30] <fta> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk
[21:30] <fta> of course
[21:31] <fta> and in clean::
[21:31] <fta> perl $(CURDIR)/debian/enable-dist-patches.pl --clean $(CURDIR)/debian/patches/series
[21:32] <fta> i wanted to make a cdbs rule file out of it, but couldn't figure out how to deal with the order of the apply before quilt / unapply after quilt


[14:11] <CIA-3> tasksel: cjwatson * r1350 hardy-proposed/ (debian/changelog tasksel.pl):
[14:11] <CIA-3> tasksel: * Backport from trunk:
[14:11] <CIA-3> tasksel:  - Avoid removing packages that are in other tasks that are still
[14:11] <CIA-3> tasksel:  selected or not displayed (LP: #150252).
[14:53] <davmor2> Might of found a bug but I'll see if it boots and report back on it
[14:56] <charlie-tca> Well, time for my question of the day. I downloaded today's images, they passed md5sums. I burned the Xubuntu jaunty-alternate-i386.iso to a cd-r.
[14:57] <charlie-tca> It passes the cd integrity check with no errors. I attempt to install to a hardware system. It fails with
[14:57] <charlie-tca> Warning: file:///cdrom/pool/main/x/xkeyboard-config/xkb-data_1.5-2ubuntu9_all.deb was corrupt
[14:57] <charlie-tca> Why did the two checks pass?
[14:58] <charlie-tca> (I burned another cd-r that works)
[14:59] <davmor2> charlie-tca: because it checks the cd md5sum against the md5sum on the cd.  so if the md5sum is correct even with the corrupt xkb then it will pass because the numbers are correct (at least that's how I understand it working)
[15:00] <charlie-tca> It just seems like cd integrity check should have caught the corrupt file.
[15:00] <cjwatson> however that's extremely unlikely
[15:00] <cjwatson> actually it checks each individual file against a list of md5sums, so the corruption would have to be pretty amazing
[15:00] <charlie-tca> I would be happy to send the cd where ever for testing
[15:00] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: it's probably a fault in the drive controller or the driver that returns invalid data at some point, that isn't caught
[15:01] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: maybe it doesn't happen to trigger with the read pattern the integrity check uses
[15:01] <charlie-tca> I see. I just did not realize this was even possible
[15:01] <cjwatson> with an idealised abstract CD it isn't ;-)
[15:01] <cjwatson> but remember the sysadmin mantra: all hardware sucks, all software sucks
[15:02] <charlie-tca> Thanks for answering
[15:02] <charlie-tca> :-)
[15:02] <cjwatson> it could be a kernel bug, and they might want to look into it
[15:02] <charlie-tca> Even if the second cd worked?
[15:02] <charlie-tca> I can run that installation and grab the logs. Anything else to get ?
[15:04] <cjwatson> you'll need to ask the kernel guys
[15:04] <charlie-tca> Okay, thanks!
[15:34] <davmor2> phew it booted fine
[15:41] <davmor2> cjwatson: looks like the lvm issues may be behind us YaY
[15:42] <cjwatson> great
[16:33] <CIA-3> tasksel: cjwatson * r1384 intrepid-proposed/ (debian/changelog tasksel.pl):
[16:33] <CIA-3> tasksel: Avoid removing packages that are in other tasks that are still selected
[16:33] <CIA-3> tasksel: or not displayed (LP: #150252).
[16:42] <CIA-3> casper: cjwatson * r597 trunk/ (debian/changelog scripts/casper-bottom/10adduser): merge from lp:~persia/casper/trunk
[16:46] <CIA-3> casper: cjwatson * r598 trunk/debian/changelog: fix changelog version
[16:48] <CIA-3> casper: cjwatson * r599 trunk/ (debian/changelog scripts/casper-bottom/10adduser): merge lp:~timo-jyrinki/casper/examples_desktop_file
[19:05] <CIA-3> tasksel: cjwatson * r1351 hardy-proposed/tasksel.pl: backport r1406 from lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/tasksel/ubuntu to avoid slow computations when there are no tasks to be removed
[19:07] <CIA-3> tasksel: cjwatson * r1385 intrepid-proposed/tasksel.pl: backport r1406 from lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/tasksel/ubuntu to avoid slow computations when there are no tasks to be removed
[19:22] <CIA-3> tasksel: cjwatson * r1352 hardy-proposed/debian/changelog: jaunty, not trunk
[19:22] <CIA-3> tasksel: cjwatson * r1386 intrepid-proposed/debian/changelog: note backport
[20:39] <CIA-3> tasksel: cjwatson * r1353 hardy-proposed/debian/changelog:
[20:39] <CIA-3> tasksel: Fix kubuntu-kde4-live task to avoid description clash with kubuntu-live
[20:39] <CIA-3> tasksel: (LP: #236257).
[22:18] <davmor2> xivulon: how do
[22:19] <xivulon> hi davmor2
[22:19] <davmor2> xivulon: did you see the new bug I found
[22:19] <xivulon> nope, just came back, 1 sec
[22:20] <davmor2> bug 347529
[22:20] <davmor2> so on a plus note cd ejects now :)
[22:20] <xivulon> Is this on vista?
[22:20] <davmor2> vista and xp
[22:21] <xivulon> it might be the same issue we had with vista
[22:21] <xivulon> works well for me on xp
[22:21] <xivulon> in vm
[22:21] <davmor2> I get the there is no cd in the drive after clicking reboot on both
[22:22] <davmor2> other than that nothing new :)
[22:25] <xivulon> hm strange eject CD is the last task performed and wubi runs off a temporary directory, only pylauncher would be started from CD
[22:26] <xivulon> davmor2, do you have a log taken when the error appears (before clicking anything)
[22:26] <davmor2> xivulon: No but I can add one as soon as beta testing is  out of the way
[22:27] <xivulon> yes please
[22:28] <davmor2> wubi removal is still an issue and moving the uninstaller out of the ubuntu directory didn't help but I'll add a log for that too but the error seem to read the same as the log that are up
[22:39] <CIA-3> tasksel: cjwatson * r1387 intrepid-proposed/ (debian/changelog ubuntu-tasks/kubuntu-kde4-live):
[22:39] <CIA-3> tasksel: Fix kubuntu-kde4-live task to avoid description clash with kubuntu-live
[22:39] <CIA-3> tasksel: (LP: #236257).
[22:42] <davmor2> cjwatson: when you get this, and I know you know and haven't touched it,  But netboot still stops on that boot: prompt which still looks bad when the next screen seems to be a boot menu
[22:43] <cjwatson> I guess I should stare at that for post-beta and figure out what's going on
[22:44] <davmor2> cjwatson: more of a reminder than anything :)
[22:46] <cjwatson> yep - thanks
[22:46] <cjwatson> though I *really* wouldn't object if anyone else wanted to figure it out and send a patch :)
[22:48] <davmor2> cjwatson: I added the big to the tracker too :)  This is where I wish I had enough time to learn to code but then I think to make a good coder you need to have a bit of a kirk in order to see what the code does each step of the way :)
[22:48] <davmor2> s/big/bug
[22:49] <cjwatson> bit of a kirk?
[22:49] <davmor2> quirk
[22:49] <cjwatson> ah right
[22:49] <davmor2> I need sleep
[22:49] <cjwatson> 10% inspiration 90% perspiration as they say
[22:49] <cjwatson> anyway, sleep: likewise


[11:46] <cjwatson> Launchpad's PPA publisher will be down for up to three hours from now for a redeployment.  Fetching packages from ppa.
[11:46] <cjwatson> launchpadcontent.net should be unaffected.
[13:48] <cjwatson> Redeployment cancelled for today; we'll try again tomorrow.


[22:51] <mycroes> RoastedTiresX, then you need another 11 hours for drivers and dropping cruft
[22:51] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, yes
[22:51] <RoastedTiresX> mycroes - excuse me??
[22:51] <epictetu1> 8 port gigabit switches are typically $60 now
[22:51] <nigtv> ilovebrownies: what exactly are you have trouble with
[22:51] <imfluxible> has anybody downloaded pyscrabble from synaptic?  i am having trouble understanding the configuration process.  you have to enter some sort of hostname:port number ... and i don't know what to put there.  it offers you a couple of public servers, and says it will save the info, but doesn't seem to work.
[22:51] <epictetu1> or so
[22:51] <epictetu1> 5 port even cheaper
[22:51] <mycroes> RoastedTiresX, after 34 (or 7) minutes of XP setup you need another 11 hours before it's somewhat usable
[22:51] <oshua86> anybody can tell me how to install/upgrade to GTK+2.8?
[22:51] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, you should have 2 grub configs by now
[22:52] <admin_masu3701> so replace sda3 for root device right
[22:52] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, one from ubuntu, one from arch
[22:52] <RoastedTiresX> mycroes - xp SETUP? like installing XP?? I'm confused. :(
[22:52] <mycroes> "<RoastedTiresX> epictetul - XP told me it would take 34 minutes the second I started transferring. Then I look over and it was 7 minutes. A minute or two went by and it was done. I was just basing my observation off of the 34 minutes XP originally told me."
[22:52] <ilovebrownies> But where do I install GRUB for Arch?
[22:52] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, you don't
[22:52] <RoastedTiresX> epictetul - Question. I have a router... off of the router I have the switch... When I'm trasnferring data between 2 computesr on the switch, does the data bounce up to the router? Or does it just go to the switch and sling it over to the other computer without making a hop to the router?
[22:52] <mrwes> re
[22:53] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, you add your arch entries to the ubuntu grub by hand
[22:53] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, only makes upgrading kernels on arch a bit harder
[22:53] <mrwes> ilovebrownies, just make sure you put them below the magic Ubuntu entry line
[22:53] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, another possibility is to install the arch grub on a partition instead of the mbr, and then chainload that partition from the ubuntu grub
[22:54] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, but chainloading a second grub sounds kinda useless to me, it's just less work maintaining in the end perhaps
[22:54] <DasEI> RoastedTiresX: just the switch, it does the adressing-thing
[22:55] <mycroes> admin_masu3701, sorry, didn't see your question yet, yes, the line will become "mount /dev/sda3 /mnt"
[22:55] <admin_masu3701> mycroes: so let me double check the commands and instruction to see if i got it right before i boot the cd
[22:55] <ZykoticK9> RoastedTiresX, that is assuming that it really is a "switch" and not a "hub"
[22:55] <ilovebrownies> mycroes, I didn't know how to do this, because I got confused thinking about /boot
[22:55] <admin_masu3701> mycroes: sudo -s
[22:55] <RoastedTiresX> Zykotick9 - It's a netgear 5 port Fast ethernet switch 10/100
[22:55] <admin_masu3701> mount /dev/sda3/mnt
[22:55] <nigtv> okay, one more, i know that if i $rm -rf *red*, i will delete everything with red in the name in my current dir, but how do i make this do all dirs?
[22:55] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, got it figured out now, or still need more help?
[22:56] <admin_masu3701> chroot /mnt/bin/bash
[22:56] <ZykoticK9> RoastedTiresX, yes, then DasEI answer is correct
[22:56] <admin_masu3701> gpasswd -a mchris admin
[22:56] <admin_masu3701> exit
[22:56] <admin_masu3701> unmount /mnt
[22:56] <mycroes> admin_masu3701, "chroot /mnt /bin/bash" <<< there's a space between '/mnt' and '/bin/bash'
[22:56] <admin_masu3701> ok
[22:56] <RoastedTiresX> sweet deal. I always wnated to get a gigabit network going, but if that meant my 10/100 ports on my router would bottleneck everything, I didn't want to even bother with upgrading the switch only
[22:56] <mycroes> and it's "umount /mnt", without the N
[22:56] <ilovebrownies> mycroes, what do I add exactly?
[22:57] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, ubuntu grub is currently installed to your mbr, right?
[22:57] <DasEI> nigtv:the -are does this already, see man rm
[22:57] <DasEI> -r
[22:57] <ilovebrownies> mycroes, yes
[22:57] <dotblank> If I break my grub install how can I re-install it from an ubuntu-live cd
[22:58] <admin_masu3701> mycroes: so i will boot up the cd and try...thanks alot for your help
[22:58] <DasEI> !grub
[22:58] <admin_masu3701> will let you know how it goes
[22:58] <mycroes> admin_masu3701, good luck
[22:58] <mycroes> admin_masu3701, great
[22:58] <admin_masu3701> thanks
[22:58] <ZykoticK9> DasEI, ilovebrownies actually it doesn't, it tested "-r" does mean recursive, but it doesn't work in the way that ilovebrownies wants :(
[22:58] <mycroes> yw
[22:58] <dotblank> Service Temporarily Unavailable :(
[22:58] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, do you know what device is /boot for your arch install?
[22:59] <dotblank> help.ubuntu.com seems to be down
[22:59] <ilovebrownies> mycroes, you mean which HDD?
[22:59] <DasEI> ZykoticK9: try -R ?
[22:59] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, no, I mean which linux block device
[22:59] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, or grub device identifier will do
[22:59] <dotblank> !grub
[22:59] <ZykoticK9> DasEI, no change
[22:59] <dotblank> ^^ would do that but link is broken
[22:59] <ilovebrownies> mycroes, I know that it's sda6 if that helps?
[23:00] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, yes that does help
[23:00] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, the grub identifier for that will be (hd0,5)
[23:00] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, now you just need to do 2 things
[23:01] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, first, start grub (from a terminal), type "root (hd0,5)", type "setup (hd0,5)", type "exit"
[23:01] <DasEI> dotblank: looks like, let's meet in #grub, k ?
[23:01] <dotblank> k
[23:01] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, this should give some output saying it found some stuff (stage1, stage2 or something like that)
[23:02] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, when that's done, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add a chainload entry for (hd0,5)
[23:02] <RoastedTiresX> epictetul - I just did a transfer test with a 1gb file. It took me 2 minutes and 10 seconds to transfer, which comes out to about 8.5MB/second. So I guess I'm still hanging around the low end of things.
[23:02] <tyta> tekteen is wayyyy too good at *nix
[23:02] <ilovebrownies> mycroes, to run grub in a terminal I just type grub?
[23:02] <ZykoticK9> FYI it does appear that help.ubuntu.com is currently down...
[23:03] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, yes, maybe "sudo grub" :P
[23:03] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, I guess you need to be root, and grub might be in /sbin too, so try "sudo grub"
[23:03] <tekteen> lmao
[23:03] <imfluxible> has anybody downloaded pyscrabble from synaptic?  i am having trouble understanding the configuration process.  you have to enter some sort of hostname:port number ... and i don't know what to put there.  it offers you a couple of public servers, and says it will save the info, but doesn't seem to work.
[23:03] <liminal> hi
[23:03] <liminal> crashed out
[23:05] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, any luck yet?
[23:05] <ilovebrownies> mycroes, I'm not getting a new prompt after typing setup (hd0.5), does it take a while?
[23:05] <tekteen> mycroes: I love grub ;-). Can you tell me what the problem is, I missed it
[23:06] <getBoa> hi y'all... How lightweight is XFCE in relation to Gnome ?
[23:06] <tekteen> getBoa: according to a friend of mine. rock (gnome) and feather (xfce)
[23:07] <vladdY> hi, i'm sorry, i'm mentally retarded, how can i start monodevelop in ubuntu linux
[23:07] <austin> My server mesed up, and when i run ifconfig it only shows lo....can anyone help me?
[23:07] <vladdY> i think i installed it properly
[23:07] <tekteen> getBoa: he just installed xfce to replace gnome on a really slow machine and it sped up
[23:07] <liminal> im looking for a driver for Realtek ALC662
[23:07] <GeorgeAScott> hello again.  my soundblaster is no longer capturing sound.  i can hear mic input, but the computer can not
[23:07] <liminal> i thought ubuntu ran it as standard tho
[23:07] <rascal999>  I'm trying to distribute a livecd image through pxe, i have done this before successfully and atm can get as far as the dhcp request been granted.
[23:07] <rascal999>  but then pxe reports a boot filename not received, is this indicative of no tftp in place or?
[23:08] <tekteen> liminal: chances are it either comes with ubuntu or you are not going to get it
[23:08] <mycroes> tekteen, I love grub too
[23:08] <tekteen> !drivers
[23:08] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, no, shouldn't take long
[23:08] <SchmittyDoesIt> aha!
[23:08] <austin> I think i messed up my server
[23:08] <liminal> my sound was working yesturday, but not todahy
[23:08] <austin> i need help....
[23:08] <liminal> and ive no idea why
[23:08] <mycroes> tekteen, ilovebrownies wants to have access to his arch install too
[23:08] <hunt577_> Can I install ndiswrapper on the the livecd to make sure I can get it to work with my wireless card before I install ubuntu?
[23:08] <austin> i ran control alt delte by accedent, can anyone help me reset my settigns
[23:08] <GeorgeAScott> and patchage no longer shows a capture device.
[23:08] <vladdY> anyone able to help with me with monodevelop?
[23:09] <tekteen> mycroes: what are you doing the setup cmd for?
[23:09] <ilovebrownies> mycroes, I think I installed grub from the Arch installer, but didn't configure it.
[23:09] <getBoa> tekteen: got it... well so it might be worth the installation... my machine is not that slow but i wanna speed up as much as possible
[23:09] <tekteen> liminal: that is not a "I need a driver problem". Next time, just say what is going on
[23:09] <ZykoticK9> austin, do you get any cards with "dmesg | grep eth"?
[23:10] <tekteen> getBoa: I would not do it if it is not unbarably slow
[23:10] <soreau> Is there a log of updates performed by update-manager or if you do apt-get update/upgrade?
[23:10] <GeorgeAScott> ive been to every device in volume control and made sure nothing is muted... several times now.  i still can't get any sound to capture.
[23:10] <liminal> ah well the problem is my sound has disappeared and ive no idea why
[23:10] <tekteen> mycroes: is ubuntu's grub installed? or arch
[23:11] <getBoa> tekteen: it's a AMD Turion X2-64 2gig ram 250hd...
[23:11] <ZykoticK9> austin, something with "addr 00:xx:xx..."
[23:11] <AdamDV> HOw do II do an OEM install of ubuntu 8.10?
[23:11] <ilovebrownies> tekteen, Ubuntus
[23:11] <tekteen> getBoa: stick to gnome :-)
[23:11] <Gartral1> slitly noobish Q: how do i tell what fs im running from in the console?
[23:11] <austin> ZykoticK9, wate, eth0 came up again.i just did Cntl alt delet again...what is this for?
[23:11] <getBoa> tekteen: :-)
[23:11] <tekteen> ilovebrownies: so what you need to do is add an entry to ubuntu's menu.list to start arch
[23:11] <ZykoticK9> austin, if it's working again, it's all good
[23:12] <mycroes> tekteen, and I was explaining him how to chainload the arch grub so he doesn't have to change his ubuntu menu'lst everytime arch updates
[23:12] <tekteen> ok
[23:12] <ilovebrownies> tekteen, yes, but I don't know how exactly
[23:12] <austin> ZyoticK9, my server won't display anything htough
[23:12] <austin> thats a bit of a problem
[23:13] <Gartral1> sometimes you just have to accept that it's working without understanding why
[23:13] <tekteen> mycroes, is grub installed on arch?
[23:13] <ZykoticK9> austin, sorry i thought you where the one without a network card????
[23:13] <tekteen> mycroes: I have never done chain loading before
[23:13] <austin> ZykoticK9, i was...i thought that was the problem.. Now my server won't show anything
[23:13] <Gartral1> slitly noobish Q: how do i tell what filesystem im running from in the console?
[23:13] <liminal> so anyone got any ideas on how to get mys sound back?
[23:14] <tekteen> mycroes: is grub on arch?
[23:14] <Matir> does anyone know where I can download the iso or image to install the dell custom version of ubuntu for the mini 9?  I got one from Sam's club and they only had windows available :(
[23:14] <ZykoticK9> austin, have you tried restarting it?  power button if necessary?
[23:14] <austin> ZykoticK9, lemmi see...
[23:15] <tekteen> Gartral1: probably ext3, I believe if you type mount that would tell you every place and format partitions are mounted
[23:15] <austin> it was wokring fine, untill i did cntl alt del
[23:15] <tekteen> !sound > liminal
[23:15] <nv1> my computer doesn't shutdown or suspend. I red the faq already
[23:15] <tekteen> mycroes: you there?
[23:15] <ZykoticK9> Matir, http://mydellmini.com/forum/dell-mini-9-ubuntu-restore-iso-image-t287.html gives a demonoid or piratebay link
[23:15] <getBoa> /quitr
[23:15] <tekteen> ilovebrownies?
[23:15] <mycroes> tekteen, sorry
[23:15] <Matir> ZykoticK9, thanks
[23:16] <mycroes> tekteen, was here
[23:16] <AdamDV> anyone?
[23:16] <tekteen> ok
[23:16] <mycroes> tekteen, I gave him instructions how to install grub to his arch /boot partition
[23:16] <tekteen> ok
[23:16] <tekteen> shouldn't there be a package from arch to do it?
[23:16] <|chiz|> Gartral1: cat /etc/mtab
[23:16] <mycroes> tekteen, from ilovebrownies' comments I assume he has an arch install that uses grub
[23:16] <mycroes> tekteen, to do what?
[23:16] <ilovebrownies> tekteen, I installed grub on Arch, but probably not correctly
[23:16] <austin>  ZykoticK9, still doing it
[23:17] <mycroes> tekteen, normally you isntall grub to the mbr
[23:17] <ZykoticK9> AdamDV, what do you mean by OEM install are you an Origion Equipment Manufactuer?
[23:17] <mycroes> tekteen, but you can't use two different configs with just one grub install
[23:17] <liminal> i was using OSS mixer for my sound card offical driver
[23:17] <|chiz|> Gartral1: mount does pretty much the same too
[23:17] <austin> as in it wont work
[23:17] <tekteen> mycroes: I know, but if you are chainloading, you need to install it to /boot on arch
[23:17] <lexvegas> AdamDV you should be able to select the option when you inseret the cd, before you select "try Ubuntu"
[23:17] <tekteen> mycroes: I know
[23:17] <ZykoticK9> austin, still doing what?  restarting?
[23:17] <mycroes> tekteen, yes, so I explained him how to install grub to his arch /boot :P
[23:17] <dotblank> Why would anyone want to install grub to the mbr? its crazy cause the mbr isn't in the partition and making backups are more difficult
[23:17] <austin> ZykoticK9, it won't display anything when itype in my ip address and my name
[23:18] <mycroes> tekteen, and that's where he is now
[23:18] <AdamDV> lexvegas: In intrepid?
[23:18] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, what was the output of root (hd0,5)
[23:18] <tekteen> mycroes: isn't there an easy package to install grub in arch?
[23:18] <Mox`> hi, i'm having troubles with bind on my gateway? if I use my gatewas as dns server nothing works, If I use the dns the gateway resolves, it works just fine? how to fix this? :S
[23:18] <mycroes> tekteen, he has grub installed in arch
[23:18] <tekteen> ok
[23:18] <mycroes> tekteen, he just needs to install it to the arch /boot partition, because normally it gets installed to the mbr so you can use it...
[23:19] <tekteen> ok
[23:19] <ilovebrownies> mycroes, No output
[23:19] <Rodrigo_Lopes> good night for everbody
[23:19] <liminal> tekteen ive changed my sound device to alsa pcm via dam
[23:19] <liminal> via dma
[23:19] <Rodrigo_Lopes> How to install sdlmame
[23:19] <AakashPatel> any one know of any alternatives to microsoft photosynth?
[23:19] <Rodrigo_Lopes> ??
[23:19] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, did you get a prompt after setup (hd0,5) yet?
[23:20] <austin> >.>
[23:20] <tekteen> liminal: try something. open a terminal and type alsamixer. Make sure master is not 0
[23:20] <ilovebrownies> mycroes, No, I exited the terminal window after a couple of minutes
[23:20] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, you have justthat one disk?
[23:20] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, ok
[23:20] <tekteen> liminal: I do not know much about audio
[23:20] <ilovebrownies> mycroes, Just one disk yes
[23:20] <Rodrigo_Lopes> I want play street fighter im mame...How to install mame??
[23:21] <lexvegas> !patience | Rodrigo_Lopes
[23:21] <DasEI> Rodrigo_Lopes: sure you don't mean wine ?
[23:21] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, example output from my grub root command
[23:21] <austin> I got ti!
[23:21] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, grub> root (hd4,0)
[23:21] <mycroes>  Filesystem type is fat, partition type 0xb
[23:21] <azlon> how can i update my GPG key so i dont get this error message when i apt-get update? W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:22] <Rodrigo_Lopes> ....wine..dont is a better.. because, mame is opensource and work in linux
[23:22] <WeakyWaa> hellloooooooooooo buntu-ppl
[23:22] <ilovebrownies> mycroes, I just remembered I formatted to ext4
[23:22] <backenfutter> I need to figure out how to install the app »vncpasswd« can't find it in apt-cache... could somebody help please?
[23:22] <dotblank> sdlmame Is vastly better then xmame btw
[23:22] <ilovebrownies> mycroes,  my arch partitions
[23:22] <DasEI> Rodrigo_Lopes: there's xmame for arcade games
[23:22] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, /boot too?
[23:22] <tekteen> liminal: try something. open a terminal and type alsamixer. Make sure master is not 0
[23:22] <Dr_willis> backenfutter,  i thought it was part of several of the vncserver packages.. try installing vnc4server
[23:22] <Dr_willis> !info vnc4server
[23:23] <ilovebrownies> mycroes, didn't make a /boot partition
[23:23] <Dr_willis> !find vncpasswd
[23:23] <madhatter1> hey everyone.. quick question.. I've got some sata hot-swap bays so drive mounting is getting confusing with different ones being on/off... any way to add drives to fstab by their serial number, or any other unique identifier?
[23:23] <hunt577> how do I join this chat through Pidgin
[23:23] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, heh
[23:23] <Dr_willis> Hmm looks like its in there also. :)
[23:23] <ilovebrownies> mycroes, just realised how stupid that is
[23:23] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, well then there's only one solution
[23:23] <backenfutter> Dr_willis: I use vncviewer - it's man page tells me to create password file with vncpasswd, however that app is not onmy hdd
[23:23] <DasEI> madhatter1: man blkid
[23:23] <dotblank> madhatter: yes, by uuid
[23:23] <coreyman> Why can i not browse the web with konqueror, and kde network manager?
[23:23] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, copy your arch kernel over to your ubuntu /boot
[23:23] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, also copy the initrd if you have one
[23:23] <coreyman>  I can access my router
[23:24] <madhatter1> DasEI: thanks
[23:24] <Dr_willis> backenfutter,  thas because the appis in the vncserver packages.. i imagine..
[23:24] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, then add the entry for the kernel
[23:24] <tekteen> coreyman: go to #kubuntu
[23:24] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, that should work too
[23:24] <coreyman> ok tekteen
[23:24] <hunt577> How do I access this room through Pidgin Messanger?
[23:24] <DasEI> hunt577: new account > irc>irc.ubuntu.com>#ubuntu
[23:24] <ilovebrownies> mycroes, If I were to reinstall Arch instead, would it be as easy as creating a /boot for arch?
[23:24] <liminal> igive up for the night
[23:24] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, I'm gone for a bit now, if you need any help with what I just told you I'm positive tekteen can help you
[23:25] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, yes
[23:25] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, almost
[23:25] <liminal> thanks for tryig tek
[23:25] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, you still need to do the steps I explained
[23:25] <kriss3d> anyone know what the program kdm does ?
[23:25] <ilovebrownies> mycroes,  Ok I'll try that thanks! :)
[23:25] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, but it would be somewhat easier, especially in the case of kernel upgrades in arch
[23:25] <mycroes> ilovebrownies, good luck
[23:25] <hunt577> I have created the irc account DasEl but I am not sure how to actually get in this room
[23:25] <Rodrigo_Lopes> How to install mame in slackware???
[23:26] <hunt577> it just gives me a messanger window where I can add people to my list
[23:26] <coreyman> tekteen i went to kubuntu and noone is answering any questions
[23:26] <kriss3d> hunt577 well irc isnt like aim or msn..
[23:26] <admin_masu3701> mycroes: thank you very much
[23:26] <admin_masu3701> it did work
[23:26] <tekteen> coreyman: they are the people who tend to know kde
[23:26] <admin_masu3701> you're the hero
[23:26] <coreyman> tekteen i spoke to soon, someone is talking now
[23:26] <hunt577> kriss3d I know but you can get into this room through there because I was in it through there the other night but can't remember
[23:27] <foo_> his
[23:27] <kriss3d> hunt577 do you mean using a real irc program instead of via a website or somthing ?
[23:27] <DasEI> hunt577: have you got buddy list on ubuntu.com ?
[23:28] <ilovebrownies> tekteen: since mycroes left, can you help me?
[23:28] <hunt577> I am using Pidgin messanger and have set up my irc account on it, I am hunt577_  on it
[23:29] <tekteen> ilovebrownies: I need to go soon XD, what do you need help with?
[23:29] <hunt577> right kriss3d
[23:29] <H3l1c0pt3r> hunt577: you add a new account IRC and put irc.ubuntu.com as the server, when you get to the blank window you go to buddies and "enter chat" then enter #ubuntu as the channel and it will come up
[23:29] <TheKoenigsegg> Anyone using xchat? Is it impossible to autojoin password protected channels on startup with it?
[23:29] <hunt577> ahh worked that time thanks
[23:29] <ilovebrownies> tekteen: in the arch beginners guide, it doesn't tell me to create a /boot partition, isn't it 'under' /?
[23:29] <tekteen> ilovebrownies: what do you need help with?
[23:29]  * chalcedony smiles
[23:30] <ilovebrownies> tekteen: do I make a whole new partition?
[23:30] <chalcedony> TheKoenigsegg: i'd ask in #xchat i don't think it's impossible
[23:30] <hunt577_> ok cool I am here under Pidgin messanger now
[23:30] <chalcedony> hunt577_: good for you
[23:30] <tekteen> ilovebrownies: where is this guide?
[23:30] <chalcedony> i never figured out irc on it
[23:30] <hunt577_> ok I am within the livecd of ubuntu
[23:30] <TheKoenigsegg> chalcedony: k, thx
[23:31] <ilovebrownies> tekteen: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners_Guide
[23:31] <chalcedony> does anyone know a command to minimize all your windows, so you can see the desktop and then put them back?
[23:31] <Khisanth> TheKoenigsegg: it's in the xchat FAQ :)
[23:31] <BZH> !france
[23:31] <hunt577_> I have  a laptop trying to get wireless through ubuntu but since it doesn't work I have my ethernet cable plugged into the side of the laptop and gonna try installing ndiswrapper to get the correct driver for my wireless card
[23:31] <H3l1c0pt3r> chalcedony: its ctrl+d i believe
[23:31] <chalcedony> Khisanth: good to see you :)
[23:31] <H3l1c0pt3r> chalcedony: its ctrl+alt+d
[23:32] <chalcedony> ah ty much H3l1c0pt3r :)
[23:32] <tony_> Anyone here managed to setup checkpoint vpn client within ubuntu/debian?
[23:32] <TheKoenigsegg> khissanth: Guess it should be, but not where I looked :-] Can you show me where?
[23:32] <H3l1c0pt3r> !wireless | hunt577_
[23:32] <BZH> !breton
[23:32] <hunt577_> thanks
[23:32] <tekteen> ilovebrownies: why do you need to create a new partition?
[23:33] <ilovebrownies> tekteen: mycroes told me I needed to
[23:33] <tekteen> ok
[23:33] <AdamDV> !find openssh
[23:34] <AdamDV> !find sshfs
[23:34] <H3l1c0pt3r> AdamDV: you can do that in pvt with ubottu
[23:34] <AdamDV> Heh. Sorry.
[23:34] <ilovebrownies> tekteen: I tried installing grub to the / partition I created for arch
[23:34] <mattfred> what is a good channel to go to ask questions?
[23:34] <AdamDV> hs one..
[23:34] <AdamDV> *This
[23:34] <Khisanth> that depends on the kind of questions you want to ask
[23:35] <tekteen> ilovebrownies: and what happened?
[23:35] <isteal> i need help pairing bluetooth headphones and today is my first day with ubuntu... anyone help?
[23:35] <DasEI> !ot > mattfred
[23:35] <ilovebrownies> tekteen: nothing, I installed grub from the arch installer first, then I tried what mycroes suggested
[23:36] <zoobox> good evening
[23:36] <H3l1c0pt3r> !bluetooth | isteal
[23:36] <mattfred> Is there a way to disable the default key ring so I don't have to type my password every time i use evolution and/or my wireless connection?
[23:37] <tekteen> ilovebrownies: I really have no idea where you are in the process lol
[23:37] <zoobox> the pager for man is less I think, are there any other key than q to quit the manpage without removing the part of the manpage you read?
[23:37] <tekteen> ilovebrownies: I am really sorry
[23:38] <zoobox> q removes the man-text from the screen, I want to have still there while I write my command
[23:38] <Webu> If I start a background command by using &, how can I access it?
[23:38] <H3l1c0pt3r> zoobox: q quits manpage, if you want open another terminal (CLI) and do commands in there
[23:38] <tekteen> ilovebrownies: I need to go now. sorry
[23:38] <H3l1c0pt3r> zoobox: you can also open another TAB on the terminal
[23:38] <ilovebrownies> tekteen: I did a new arch insall, including grub on the / partition for arch, then I rebooted, and only ubuntu showed up in grub
[23:39] <ilovebrownies> tekteen: Ok
[23:39] <tekteen> ok
[23:39] <zoobox> H3l1c0pt3r:  Tab?
[23:39] <tekteen> um
[23:39] <tekteen> I can stay a little longer I guess
[23:39] <mattfred> Is there a way to disable the default key ring so I don't have to type my password every time i use evolution and/or my wireless connection?
[23:39] <H3l1c0pt3r> zoobox: you have two options. keep one terminal open for the man page, and another open for the commands, or you can use one terminal and go to FILE > open tab (to have multiple tabs like in firefox)
[23:39] <mattfred> also, can i disable the beep everytime i make an invalid keystroke or get new mail in evolution?
[23:40] <ilovebrownies> tekteen: Ok, thanks :)
[23:40] <zoobox> H3l1c0pt3r: yeah an alternative whould be to create an alias man=gnome-terminal -x man  but often I got too many windows allready
[23:40] <ilovebrownies> tekteen: then I tried running grub in a terminal from ubuntu, to install grub on arch
[23:40] <tekteen> ilovebrownies: so we need to setup ubuntu grub to call arch grub?
[23:40] <chalcedony> H3l1c0pt3r: is there a way to get it to put everything back, after ctrl +alt +d ?
[23:40] <zoobox> H3l1c0pt3r: aha you mean tabs like that
[23:40] <H3l1c0pt3r> zoobox: than just use tabs in terminal to use only the 1 terminal window (ctrl+alt+t)
[23:40] <H3l1c0pt3r> chalcedony: yeah ctrl+alt+d again
[23:41] <chalcedony> H3l1c0pt3r: didn't work
[23:41] <H3l1c0pt3r> chalcedony: it should...
[23:41] <chalcedony> worked for rmoving .. not putting them back
[23:41] <zoobox> I whould prefer to have the part of the man-text I have scrolled to, right above the commmand prompt where I am writing my command
[23:41] <ilovebrownies> tekteen: i dunno, can't I just boot arch from ubuntu grub, do I really need two grubs? :P
[23:41] <chalcedony> maybe i just had too much?
[23:41] <H3l1c0pt3r> chalcedony: try it with a few windows open, do ctrl+alt+d and then do it again right away, it should work
[23:41] <Joker_-_> My tv-out screen is larger than the screen itself. As a result, I can<t see any edge of the screen (about an inche each sides)... any idea?
[23:41] <DasEI> tekteen: ilovebrownies:google super-grub-disk
[23:41] <mikewu> zoobox: zoobox try running export LESS="-X", then just scroll to the part that you want and just use q to exit
[23:42] <tekteen> ilovebrownies: ilovebrownies, arch needs to update its grub
[23:42] <Khisanth> zoobox: or man -P "less -X" foo
[23:43] <zoobox> mikewu: perfect! thanks
[23:43] <chalcedony> H3l1c0pt3r: yes it did, with a few
[23:43] <hunt577_> I am not understanding section 3.3 for NDISWrapper on the wireless site
[23:43] <H3l1c0pt3r> chalcedony: could be too many windows to restore, not sure, sorry
[23:43] <mattfred> Is there a way to disable the default key ring so I don't have to type my password every time i use evolution and/or my wireless connection?
[23:43] <chalcedony> ok ty :))
[23:43] <mattfred> also, can i disable the beep everytime i make an invalid keystroke or get new mail in evolution?
[23:43] <ilovebrownies> tekteen: so what's the standard procedure for dual booting two Linux distros?
[23:44] <tekteen> ilovebrownies: chain loading
[23:44] <tekteen> I have never done it XD
[23:44] <ilovebrownies> tekteen: :P
[23:45] <IanFHood> my 'sound preferences' window is frozen open... is there some way to force it to shut down?
[23:45] <Joker_-_> My tv-out screen is larger than the screen itself. As a result, I can<t see any edge of the screen (about an inche each sides)... any idea? I have seen lots of posts of people having the same issue, but none fixing it...
[23:45] <hunt577_> I don't understand this part - Retrieve the Windows driver corresponding to your chipset: Use the ID information you have just found and the ndiswrapper list to find and download the correct windows driver files for your wireless adapter, or one which is very similar (same chipset ID).
[23:46] <tekteen> ilovebrownies: now I need to go, I need to be somewhere at 7
[23:46] <tekteen> shit, I need to go
[23:46] <ilovebrownies> tekteen: ok, sorry for keeping you
[23:46] <Joker_-_> TV Output screen size too large to fit the actual screen... any help? any way to scale it?
[23:46] <Daft_Punk> !wtf
[23:46]  * G69 Até amanhã!
[23:46] <hunt577_> Can anyone help?
[23:47] <hunt577_> with this ndiswrapper...newb to linux here
[23:47] <Daft_Punk> !ndiswrapper
[23:48] <hunt577_> I am there already Daft_Punk, thanks though....I have questions about the content that its asking me
[23:48] <Eressolar> PROTIP: then ask
[23:48] <davemcnamara> Howdy, is there any way to make Linux identify as windows to a server?  My university's network won't allow "unsupported operating systems".
[23:48] <hunt577_> I've done a couple times already...here it goes again
[23:49] <zeno> hello, when i boot up after logging in i get an error: "~/.drmc file is being ignored", how can i fix this?
[23:49] <hunt577_> 3.3. Downloading Windows Drivers Retrieve the Windows driver corresponding to your chipset: Use the ID information you have just found and the ndiswrapper list to find and download the correct windows driver files for your wireless adapter, or one which is very similar (same chipset ID).
[23:49] <admin_masu3701> do anyone try ubuntu 9.04?
[23:49] <hunt577_> Not sure how to do this
[23:49] <rww> !jaunty | admin_masu3701
[23:49] <admin_masu3701> ok
[23:49] <Daft_Punk> hunt577_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[23:49] <mib_cp4xujo> hey anyone know of agood laptop that works with ubuntu out of the box? Something around 15" and 600 or so dollars
[23:50] <tony_> Anyone here managed to setup checkpoint vpn client within ubuntu/debian?
[23:50] <hunt577_> Daft_Punk, thanks again, but thats the exact page I am on.  Section 3.3 of that page is what I am stuck on
[23:50] <rww> !hcl | mib_cp4xujo
[23:50] <taz_> can some one tell me what the command is to exute a file
[23:51] <LjL> taz_: "execute a file"? you mean a program? or you mean open a document?
[23:51] <dotblank> taz_: usually ./nameofprogram
[23:51] <rww> taz_: cd /path/to/file's/folder, chmod +x filename to make it executable, then ./filename
[23:51] <dotblank> taz_: or that
[23:51] <taz_> to open a .sh file in termenal
[23:52] <LjL> taz_: what they said
[23:52] <taz_> Its to tweak a program to install on a USB
[23:52] <Daft_Punk> hunt577_, lol sorry that looks too complicated for me :(
[23:52] <dotblank> taz_: or sh nameoffile
[23:52] <Daft_Punk> hunt577_, what is your computer model
[23:52] <DasEI> taz_: ./blahblah.sh
[23:52] <hunt577_> lol, its too complicated for me too Daft_Punk lol
[23:52] <taz_> Ok thanks
[23:52] <taz_>  bootinst.sh
[23:52] <DasEI> taz_: maybe sudo it, or chown it before
[23:52] <taz_> Im installing Bt4 on a usb stick
[23:53] <unr3a1> hey all, I was curious as to what was the best hard drive encryption application for linux?
[23:53] <taz_> thanks
[23:53] <LjL> maybe DON'T sudo unless you know exactly what you're doing it
[23:53] <taz_> had a brain fart for got what it was
[23:53] <hunt577_> Daft_Punk its an HP G60-249WM
[23:53] <hunt577_> trying to get wireless working on it Daft_Punk
[23:53] <grkblood13> does any1 know why i get htis message when using pigdin? Unable to send message: Refused by client
[23:54] <LjL> unr3a1: truecrypt is a possibility, whether it's "best", i have no idea and i guess nobody does
[23:54] <LjL> !truecrypt > unr3a1    (unr3a1, see the private message from ubottu)
[23:54] <hunt577_> Daft_Punk, I am having to follow this NDISWrapper because ubuntu doesn't have a driver for my wireless card
[23:54] <wolv> any1 tried run TeamSpeak on ubuntu 8.10??
[23:54] <tony_> anyone dealed with checkpoint before? need help setting up the client
[23:54] <dotblank> me
[23:54] <giaco> hello
[23:54] <rww> grkblood13: ask in #pidgin
[23:54] <tony_> dotblank: was that to my question?
[23:55] <wolv> or mine xD
[23:55] <tony_> :p
[23:55] <dotblank> tony_: yours
[23:55] <wolv> ;<
[23:55] <tony_> fantastic, wolv, i have setup ts on nix before
[23:55] <tony_> but couldnt figure out my mic properly
[23:55] <dotblank> tony_: wait no sorry
[23:55] <wolv> damn TeamSpeak dont like ubuntu :(((
[23:55] <Daft_Punk> hunt577_, did you install ubuntu, or are you using just the livecd
[23:55] <tony_> dotblank:  :( seriously?
[23:55] <dotblank> wolv: I ment you I run teamspeak
[23:56] <giaco> how can I use the debug symbols I've downloaded from the mesa-swx11-dbg package now located in /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070200
[23:56] <hunt577_> Daft_Punk, I am using the livecd right now, want to make sure I can get wireless working before I install it
[23:56] <wolv> if I play some music before TS then TS doesnt work
[23:56] <tony_> gayness
[23:56] <LjL> davemcnamara: uhm, identify in what context? SMB filesharing, what?
[23:56] <wolv> and if I run TS 1st then I cant play music
[23:56] <Daft_Punk> hunt577_, i am not 100% sure that the wireless would always work in livecd and not the actual os
[23:56] <dotblank> wolv: It is because TS doesn't work well with pulseaudio
[23:56] <Daft_Punk> hunt577_, do u know which card it is
[23:57] <hunt577_> Daft_Punk, I'm pretty sure its my wireless card cause others who have it had to use ndiswrapper to get there wireless to work.  Daft_Punk its an Atheros AR242
[23:57] <wolv> thx anyway ;<
[23:58] <wolv> cya :P
[23:58] <dotblank> wolv: but you could try padsp teamspeak
[23:58] <unr3a1> LjL: will this allow me to encrypt the entire hard disk?
[23:59] <Daft_Punk> hunt577_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=854059 scroll down and read the posts near the end
[23:59] <hunt577_> thanks Daft_Punk