[01:04] <bkerensa> epic connectivity issues
[07:51] <dholbach> good morning
[09:45] <bkerensa> good morning
[09:46] <bkerensa> dholbach: We ready to post news yet?
[09:47] <dholbach> bkerensa, no, I added a few links, but there's still a lot to be added
[09:47] <dholbach> bkerensa, do you have a picture of the guy you interviewed?
[09:48] <bkerensa> let me check
[09:48] <dholbach> that'd be awesome :)
[09:50] <bkerensa> dholbach: It would seem he did not reply when I asked for one
[09:50] <bkerensa> I will join their IRC and see if I can get one ASAP :P
[09:50] <dholbach> sweet
[09:50] <dholbach> I'm in the middle of a few other things, but I'll add some stuff later on and we should be able to get the post out today :)
[09:50] <bkerensa> appears he is not online atm
[09:50] <dholbach> what's his nick?
[09:51] <bkerensa> Hmm well I'm going to be here in a bit
[09:51] <bkerensa> alessandro
[09:51] <bkerensa> :)
[09:51] <dholbach> great, thanks
[09:51] <bkerensa> its about 2am here so I better get ready for sleep soon :D
[09:51] <dholbach> good night then, see you later :)
[09:51] <bkerensa> dholbach: Quick question
[09:51] <dholbach> sure
[09:51] <bkerensa> When fixing typos
[09:52] <bkerensa> is there a easy way to find which file in source the typo is located in so it can be fixed and repackaged?
[09:52] <bkerensa> nano'ing each file seems extensive
[09:52] <bkerensa> :P
[09:52] <dholbach> grep -r whateverthetypois .
[09:53] <dholbach> (in the source tree)
[09:53] <dholbach> -r for recursive
[09:53] <dholbach> -i for case-insensitive
[09:54] <bkerensa> ahh :)
[09:55] <bkerensa> thanks
[09:55] <dholbach> anytime :)
[15:31] <dholbach> bkerensa, I wrote a bunch of stuff for the dev news issue
[16:41] <dholbach> bkerensa, ok, I'll go and post this now
[16:43] <pleia2> dev news \o/
[16:43] <pleia2> I'm mentioning it during my getting involved talk tomorrow
[16:43] <dholbach> nice :)
[16:43] <pleia2> it's one of my favorite things :)
[16:44]  * dholbach curtseys
[16:44] <dholbach> thanks
[16:44] <dholbach> bkerensa, and I added a bunch of new folks we can interview
[16:57] <dholbach> bkerensa, thanks a bunch for doing the interview and adding some other stuff to it!
[16:57] <dholbach> good work


[15:24] <shtylman> ev: have you tried opening the advanced dialog and clicking ok?
[15:24] <shtylman> I am getting segfaults cause a certain method doesn't exist
[15:25] <ev> shtylman: on GTK or KDE?
[15:25] <shtylman> on kde... but I look at the code and I think gtk will have the same problem
[15:25] <shtylman> line 154 of ubi-summary.py
[15:25] <shtylman> the call to self.set_summary_device
[15:28] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3810 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-summary.py):
[15:28] <CIA-6> ubiquity: Fix method call to set_summary_device in the advanced dialog.
[15:28] <CIA-6> ubiquity: Thanks Roman Shtylman.
[15:28] <ev> shtylman: ^ thanks
[15:28] <shtylman> good stuff :)
[15:29] <shtylman> ev: that won't do it
[15:29] <ev> oh?
[15:30] <shtylman> yea... I think thats what the kde code had at first...lemme verify
[15:31] <shtylman> ev: yea...cause the error I got was: Controller instance has no attribute set_summary_device
[15:31] <shtylman> on line 274 in ubi-summary.py
[15:32] <shtylman> it doesn't work with the controller or without it
[15:33] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3811 ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/base.py: Add missing bit to previous commit. Need to fix this properly at some point.
[15:35] <shtylman> ev: controller has no method set_grub :)
[15:36] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3812 ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/base.py: ARGH. One more.
[15:36] <ev> :)
[15:39] <shtylman> :)
[15:40] <shtylman> ev: all better now
[15:41] <ev> hooray
[16:52] <shtylman> ev: have you tried manual partitioning much?
[16:52] <ev> shtylman: in gtk, yes
[16:53] <shtylman> ev: bug: #525315
[16:53] <shtylman> bug #525315
[16:53] <shtylman> to reproduce... start manual partitioning
[16:53] <shtylman> and when editing a parition don't select format
[16:53] <shtylman> but when try and check the format box in the actual list
[16:54] <shtylman> I get an assertion failure cause it doesn't think its on the choose_partition question
[16:54] <shtylman> im curious to know if the same happens in gtk?
[16:54] <ev> I don't think it does.
[16:54] <shtylman> hmm
[16:55] <ev> but don't quote me on that :)
[16:55]  * shtylman wonders why that would be... cause i don't do anything to the question...
[16:55] <shtylman> heh
[16:55] <ev> shtylman: firing up KVM now to confirm
[16:56] <shtylman> ev: cool
[17:00] <superm1> ev, i've been seeing some feedback from people testing recent dailies that migration assistant is all sorts of broke, as in if it comes up, it's blocking going forward
[17:01] <superm1> not sure if there's any matching bug mail for that yet though, just mentioned in passing
[17:01] <ev> superm1: added to my todo list, thanks for the head up
[17:01] <ev> shtylman: works fine in the gtk frontend
[17:04] <shtylman> ev: hm.. well then
[17:06] <shtylman> ev: both checking the format box in the dialog as well as waiting to check it after?
[17:13] <ev> shtylman: indeed
[17:16] <shtylman> ev: maybe one day the partitioning code won't be such a mess
[17:16] <shtylman> I can only hope for such a future :)
[17:16] <ev> ...it isn't
[17:17] <shtylman> at least on the kde side it feels like it
[17:17] <ev> partman is a fairly complicated piece of machinery due to the nature of what it does
[17:17] <shtylman> yea
[17:17] <shtylman> I think we need more comments
[17:18] <ev> a fair point :)
[17:18] <shtylman> I never know what data structure is suppose to contain what
[17:21] <ev> yeah, I really need to clean up set_disk_layout (among others, I'm sure)
[18:13] <CIA-6> ubiquity: shtylman * r3813 trunk/ (11 files in 4 dirs): kde ui bugfixes


[00:38] <EdubblE> Hello, can someone help me with a window/ubuntu grub boot loader problem. I removed the ubuntu partition, but did not delete the grub boot loader, now i cannot boot into windows. What is the best solution?  There's a project for someone if you're bored
[09:16] <Laney> hey duflu & didrocks (d*)
[09:17] <didrocks> ;)
[09:17] <Laney> happy FRIDAY!
[09:17] <Laney> i just checked the calendar to make sure
[09:18] <didrocks> yes!!!
[09:29]  * Laney updates to bionic
[09:29] <Laney> fun friday activity
[09:51] <Laney> only 884 updates
[09:51] <Laney> pfft
[10:12] <jibel> so many packages still blocked in proposed
[10:13] <Laney> :)
[10:13] <Laney> one day we'll get through the test backlog
[10:14]  * Laney is constantly sending hamsters to the DCs
[10:17] <Laney> ooh bionic, shiny
[12:12] <andyrock> willcooke regarding this https://trello.com/c/RSNS27OP/89-patch-disks-etc-to-hide-snap-squashfs
[12:13] <andyrock> nautilus does not show them because they're not mounted in /media or /run/media
[12:14] <andyrock> I guess we can just filter them in gnome disk utility
[12:14] <andyrock> if the mount point in in /snap/... just ignore them
[12:24] <willcooke> andyrock, ah yeah.  Filtering seems like a distro-hack, but I can't think of a better way that will work for everything.  I wonder if there is a way we could fix this upstream for everyone?
[12:24] <andyrock> let me ask what they think upstream
[12:26] <Laney> there's a GVFS attribute for things that should be hidden I think
[12:26] <Laney> maybe that could be used
[12:26] <Laney> worth asking
[12:26] <Laney> ♥
[12:29] <andyrock> Laney: gnome-disk-utility uses udisk
[12:30] <andyrock> and has already some internal logic to decide what to show and what to hide
[12:30] <andyrock> do you know who's the main maintainer?
[12:36] <Laney> andyrock: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-disk-utility/tree/gnome-disk-utility.doap this has an email
[12:36] <Laney> yeah I was sort of suggesting that it could use gvfs via gio to list them
[12:36] <Laney> (gio mount -l)
[12:36] <Laney> anyway, what do I know, ask the guy :P
[12:36] <andyrock> nice i pinged him
[13:09] <mbiebl_> you can set a udev property to have udisks ignore certain partitions
[13:09] <mbiebl_> e.g. KERNEL=="sda1",ENV{UDISKS_IGNORE}="1"
[13:09] <mbiebl_> via a rules file
[13:11] <Laney> good to know
[13:23] <andyrock> yeah we can do that but still we need to patch gnome-disk-utilities to ignore an udisk object if hint-ignore is true
[13:24] <andyrock> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wt8MnpJb/
[13:24] <Laney> that ignores all loop devices, is that right?
[13:24] <andyrock> yeah
[13:25] <andyrock> too generic
[13:26] <Laney> but if upstream is ok with respecting the property something like that seems sane
[13:27] <andyrock> maybe we can also make it less generic including also the squashfs check
[14:38] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Hi Jeremy, do you have time to sponsor the seed MPs at bug #1581160?
[14:40] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, just a reminder that a stable update of chromium (62.0.3202.89) is ready for publication in the stage PPA
[14:41] <jbicha> GunnarHj: do you intend to do a language pack update for 17.10?
[14:43] <GunnarHj> jbicha: No such plan... Actually we haven't done that for the latest non-LTS releases. Any specific reason why you ask? (Actually I'm about to nudge seb128 about a last langpack update for 16.04.)
[14:44] <jbicha> I was asking because there are some GNOME 3.26.2 updates that are otherwise not worth SRUing (only translation updates for a package in main)
[14:44] <jbicha> I don't know have any need for a 17.10 language pack update, I was just curious
[14:46] <GunnarHj> jbicha: My vote would be to not do it, and thus not bother about those SRUs. Better focus on 18.04.
[14:46] <didrocks> +1
[14:46] <jbicha> that's fine with me, I just wanted to confirm intentions :)
[14:47] <jbicha> btw, I think we might do freetype 2.8.1 for 18.04, but probably delay a bit longer because of electron regressions LP: #1728329
[14:56] <jbicha> cyphermox: are the flavor 'supported' seeds actually used for anything? I'm looking at
[14:56] <jbicha> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntukylin.bionic_drop-takao-nanum/+merge/333506
[15:00] <cyphermox> yes, they are usually used to denote things that are not on the image but still technically "supported" by the flavor community
[15:02] <xclaesse> did all -dbg packages got removed from ubuntu archives ?
[15:02] <xclaesse> I couldn't find them on 17.10
[15:04] <jbicha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[15:15] <xclaesse> jbicha, yep, added that repo, but many packages used to have -dbg in the main archive, they got dropped i favor of external repo ?
[15:16] <Laney> xclaesse: yeah, Debian got support for automatic debug symbol packages so packages which used to build -dbg have been moving over
[15:17] <jbicha> yes, there's more info at https://wiki.debian.org/AutomaticDebugPackages
[15:17] <xclaesse> ok
[15:17] <xclaesse> thc
[15:17] <xclaesse> thx
[15:35] <chrisccoulson> oSoMoN, yeah, I'm on that
[15:35] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[15:37] <oSoMoN> cheers
[17:56] <dobey> uhm, what happened to nm-applet in 16.04? it's not showing up in the unity indicators any more, on either of my machines
[18:01] <willcooke> have a good weekend all
[21:24] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, still around?


[14:49] <sgmoore> oops sorry valorie I did make it home safe and sound
[18:17] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{[hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} we didn't have quite enough hugs, sgmoore
[18:17] <valorie> next time
[18:17] <valorie> :-)
[18:20] <valorie> @ahoneybun ^^^^^^^
[18:20]  * sgmoore hugs valorie
[18:22] <valorie> <3
[18:22] <valorie>  @ahoneybun it looks like mparillo fixx0red
[19:56] <valorie> hmmm, a search does not find me dates when Rick_Timmis might return - anyone remember?
[19:57] <valorie> arraybolt3 needs the slide deck files and I have no clue where he might have stashed 'em
[19:57] <valorie> hopefully on git somewhere?
[22:18] <mmikowski> Valorie: I recall the 12th.
[22:19] <valorie> wow, nice long holiday!
[22:19] <mmikowski> For Rick's return.
[22:19] <mmikowski> Although it might be the 6th.
[22:20] <mmikowski> But I do recall thinking "wow! Right, Europe..."
[22:20] <mmikowski> Here we take a week off and work remotely the entire time.
[22:21] <valorie> I try to not work remotely at ALL when I'm gone
[22:22] <valorie> going to our cabin makes that easier - even cell phones are chancy up there
[22:22] <valorie> landline is it
[22:22] <valorie> :-)
[22:23] <valorie> but it's been years since I spent even a whole week up there
[22:24] <valorie> mmikowski: do you perhaps know where the source files for the slideshow live?
[22:25] <valorie> that's what led to my question; arraybolt3 wants to fix the bit that says we supply VLC by default but we do not
[22:55] <mmikowski> Hey valorie I do not, but they might be in the Kubuntu branding GitHub. That's my best guess.
[22:56] <valorie> arraybolt3: ^^^^
[22:56] <valorie> ty mmikowski
[22:56] <mmikowski> I seem to recall Rick talking about that. I did create a few of the slides and I seem to recall him mentioning that during discussion.
[22:57] <mmikowski> However I haven't looked to see if they're there.
[22:57] <valorie> right, I was searching through old emails etc. looking for the deets and didn
[22:57] <valorie> t find
[23:03] <mmikowski> Aren't we going to put the VLC back in?
[23:03] <mmikowski> Or has it been supplanted?
[23:03] <mmikowski> Because if it's coming back, then I'd say the slide is probably just fine.
[23:06] <valorie> no clue
[23:08] <arraybolt3> I'll see if those slides exist there.
[23:08] <arraybolt3> btw is there anyone here who has admin powers for the kubuntu-users ML?
[23:09] <arraybolt3> "Jeffery Walton" and "Cody Smith" have gotten in a fight
[23:09] <arraybolt3> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2024-April/063579.html
[23:10] <arraybolt3> basically rude user vs. attempted substitute moderator
[23:26] <valorie> hmmm, I may have, but does bitwarden have that info? doubtful but I will look
[23:27] <valorie> thank you arraybolt3
[23:29] <valorie> lordy it's been awhile since I did anything but delete spam using listadmin in the clie in any MLs
[23:31] <valorie> I do!
[23:35] <arraybolt3> woohoo!
[23:35] <arraybolt3> aha, and I found the XCFs of the Calamares slides! https://github.com/kubuntu-team/kubuntu-branding/tree/main/Calamares-Installer/Slides/XCF
[23:46] <valorie> dealt with; modded the insulter and warned the ML to be polite & helpful
[23:47] <valorie> I had gotten a bit bored with that thread; thank you for bringing it to my attention.
[23:48] <valorie> I can share the admin pwd with any other KC member who actually reads the -user ML
[23:49] <arraybolt3> ty!
[23:49] <valorie> but I can't recall having to login forever
[23:51] <valorie> sgmoore: I applied for a table to SeaGL and put it on my calendar
[23:52] <valorie> https://seagl.org/ for deets
[23:57] <valorie> need to post about it on Discourse and perhaps the kub-user ML
[23:57] <valorie> and the KC ml too of course, first


[06:38] <alkisg> Good morning
[14:18] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[14:22] <stgraber> hey mgariepy
[14:41] <mgariepy> how you doing stgraber ?
[14:42] <stgraber> very good :) Testing some edubuntu and gently upgrading a bunch of services to Lucid where their hardy-equivalent were lacking important features ;)
[14:46] <akgraner> highvolt1ge, stgraber   - http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Amber-Graner-You-in-Ubuntu/Edubuntu-Empowering-Enjoyable-Education-one-desktop-at-a-time!
[14:47] <stgraber> akgraner: "Module not found"
[14:48] <akgraner> dang it - They must still have the public link down - let me call them and find out...
[14:49] <akgraner> stgraber, can you get to it this way - http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Amber-Graner-You-in-Ubuntu
[14:50] <stgraber> ok, found the issue ;) that "!" isn't copy/pasted and so the URL doesn't work. Manually adding it at the end of the URL make it work
[14:50] <akgraner> The site admins  were working on the site and have my permissions for adding images set wrong - so I am working on it
[14:55] <akgraner> str
[14:55] <akgraner> autotab fail :-(
[14:56] <akgraner> stgraber, thanks as soon as they fix my permissions - I'll add the images
[14:56] <stgraber> great, thanks
[14:56] <akgraner> sorry it took so long
[14:58] <akgraner> Also Issue 6 of Ubuntu User will have the CD with Edubuntu on it - Has any one talked to you all about anything for the Print Magazine?
[14:59] <stgraber> nope, not me at least and I don't think Jonathan was contacted either
[14:59] <mhall119> good interview
[14:59] <akgraner> stgraber, okie dokie - let me send an email then - Issue 5 goes to print Thursday
[15:00] <akgraner> Then we start working on Issue 6 - If you haven't heard back from by UDS will you ask me about it please
[15:03] <akgraner> stgraber, and you all have permission to use a 2 x 4  above the neck and shoulders if you need too
[15:05] <stgraber> akgraner: will you be physically at UDS this time too or remotely as you did for UDS-Karmic ?
[15:06] <akgraner> stgraber, I'll be in Brussels
[15:07] <akgraner> so one evening we can knock out the article with screen shots and all that good stuff if you all want
[15:08] <stgraber> yep, sounds good. I'm still hoping for Jonathan to make it but he'd first need his passport back so he can apply for a european visa ... now that we are less than two weeks again, it becomes less and less likely to happen :(
[15:09] <akgraner> :-(
[15:09] <akgraner> I'll keep my fingers crossed
[15:09] <mhall119> I hope the next UDS is in USA, so I don't need a passport
[15:10] <stgraber> mhall119: currently it's a Europe-USA rotation, so if it stays that way you should be fine.
[15:10] <dinda> akgraner:  did you manage to interview Chris Kenyon or anyone at Canonical about Edubuntu?
[15:10] <mhall119> stgraber: I thought it was Europe-N. America
[15:11] <stgraber> mhall119: well, last time it was outside the US in north america, it was in Montreal, not sure how long ago that was.
[15:11] <mhall119> yeah, but I think new laws mean I need a passport even for Canada
[15:12] <stgraber> mhall119: if I remember well (I live in Canada but I'm swiss so I need a passport to go to the US myself), you can sort-of upgrade your driving licence to act as some kind of passport to go to Canada
[15:13] <stgraber> mhall119: it's supposed to be a lot easier and cheaper than getting an actual passport
[15:13] <akgraner> dinda, not for this post - was hoping to do all that at UDS
[15:13] <akgraner> I have Chris listed on my Interview spreadsheet though
[15:13] <stgraber> dinda: that'd indeed be an interesting interview ;)
[15:14] <mhall119> stgraber: I'll look into it, thanks
[15:14] <mhall119> I just need to get a password anyway
[15:14] <dinda> akgraner: ok, was hoping to get some 'official' word from them on status/future of h ow they see Edubuntu
[15:14] <mhall119> so Canonical can give me free trips to Europe
[15:14] <akgraner> I had him listed for another topic, but will put Edubuntu on there as well
[15:14] <akgraner> dinda, gotcha
[15:14] <dinda> stgraber:  yes, been trying to get official word as I hear from one camp the Edubuntu is officially supported and sometimes no response. . .
[15:15] <akgraner> dinda, or anyone feel free to pm or email me questions and I'll see how to work them in
[15:15] <dinda> stgraber: was trying to get a definitive answer if a school/person wanted to buy paid support for an Edubuntu install, could they?
[15:16] <dinda> stgraber et al:  I'm working on a Using Edubuntu 9.10 course right now, CC licensed, so anyone acces teh course
[15:17] <stgraber> dinda: my understanding so far (and that's what's know advertised as meta-information in the archive) is that components that are also part of ubuntu and kubuntu should have the same level of support as they have in ubuntu/kubuntu but the additional packages we include aren't supported (in the archive, it appears as a missing Supported: field).
[15:17] <dinda> I hope to update it to the 10.04 release in time for summer and all those teachers with time on their hands :)
[15:17] <stgraber> dinda: would be great to have an official statement and not just have to guess though
[15:17] <dinda> stgraber: exactly, I think even Canonical is confused at the moment but it will get worked out
[15:18] <stgraber> dinda: yeah, 10.04 should be a great release. The menu editor and fixed sabayon should make managing a classroom environment a lot easier and LTSP is just a click away now (instead of having to use the text installer for it as we had in the past).
[15:19] <dinda> stgraber: I've been running 9.10 but look forward to upgrading soon and testing the ltsp stuff soon
[15:19] <stgraber> dinda: will you be in Brussels ? It seems that we managed to miss each other at last UDS even though you told me which days you'd be there ;)
[15:20] <dinda> stgraber: unfortunately wont' be in Brussels :(
[15:20] <dinda> stgraber: but will try to listen in remotely
[15:21] <akgraner> stgraber, dinda I noted the support question - if you all have more just drop me an email
[15:22] <akgraner> catch you all laters and as soon as I can I'll add the images
[15:22] <stgraber> akgraner: ok, thanks
[17:25] <bencrisford> highvoltage: hows your internet?
[18:33] <highvoltage> bencrisford: totally rubbish. sorry for all the parts/joins
[18:34] <highvoltage> eek, I've been thrown in ##fix_your_connection
[18:34] <highvoltage> (bye)
[18:53] <bencrisford> isforinsects: hey
[21:59] <isforinsects> bencrisford: hello
[22:00] <bencrisford> isforinsects: I got your email :)
[22:01] <isforinsects> So what's new in the edubuntu world?
[22:03] <bencrisford> isforinsects: lots of exciting things going on :)
[22:04] <bencrisford> theres a meeting tommorrow
[22:04] <bencrisford> 19.00 UTC I think
[22:04] <bencrisford> if you could attend that would be fantastic
[22:05] <stgraber> yep, 19:00 UTC
[22:05] <isforinsects> Hrrm, that is... 2200 est?
[22:05]  * isforinsects checks
[22:06] <stgraber> isforinsects: est as in EDT ?
[22:06] <isforinsects> wrong direction, derp
[22:06] <stgraber> bencrisford: did you see the interview ?
[22:06] <isforinsects> yes. 1500
[22:06] <stgraber> isforinsects: that's 3pm EDT
[22:08] <isforinsects> this meeting: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda
[22:08] <stgraber> yep
[22:09] <bencrisford> stgraber: akgraner's one?
[22:09] <stgraber> bencrisford: yup
[22:10] <bencrisford> stgraber: yeah, was very nicely done :), hopefully it will help show people where we are and that we need them


[19:01] <kees> o/
[19:02] <kees> hola
[19:02] <infinity> o/
[19:03] <kees> oops, vorlon is already here. I meant to ping mdeslaur :)
[19:05] <kees> hm...
[19:05] <kees> #startmeeting
[19:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 27 19:05:52 2019 UTC.  The chair is kees. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:06] <kees> I see myself, infinity, vorlon. no stgraber nor mdeslaur.
[19:06] <kees> is 3 quorum?
[19:07] <infinity> It is, barely.  If vorlon's actually there.
[19:07] <kees> well, as it happens, there is no agenda. :)
[19:07] <infinity> He might just be idling in the channel.
[19:07] <kees> also, aren't we overdue for an election?
[19:08] <infinity> Very.
[19:08] <infinity> vorlon has an action to try to hunt down making that happen.
[19:08] <infinity> But he's also not saying words, so I think we haz no quorum.
[19:08] <kees> agreed.
[19:09] <kees> okay, well, that was fun. :P
[19:09] <kees> #endmeeting
[19:09] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug 27 19:09:04 2019 UTC.
[19:09] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2019/ubuntu-meeting-2.2019-08-27-19.05.moin.txt
[19:10] <vorlon> gasp
[19:10] <vorlon> unanticipated quorum
[19:11] <vorlon> infinity, kees: yes, I was late getting back to the keyboard, sorry - meant to be here on the off chance were otherwise quorate, but knew stgraber and mdeslaur were out
[19:24] <kees> vorlon: many actions for you to do! ;)
[19:25] <kees> we appear to be a deeply expired governing body. :(


[09:06] <Nafallo> https://mozilla-plugin.forge.funambol.org/ ← makes me sad. is this something any of you guys would be interested in contributing to?
[19:50] <micahg> fta: ping
[19:50] <fta> hi
[19:50] <micahg> hi
[19:50] <LLStarks> hai gaiz
[19:50] <micahg> there is apparently a small regression in Chromium 10, ogg audio controls don't update unless there's a mouseover event
[19:51] <LLStarks> lemme test
[19:51] <fta> hm, not part of my usual tests
[19:51] <fta> so it's possible, but i'm not aware of it
[19:51] <micahg> fta: we have a test suite in qa-regression-tools that we run
[19:52] <LLStarks> confirming on 11
[19:52] <LLStarks> btw, chromium icon still isn't updating system-wide
[19:53] <micahg> fta: try loading this file: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/qa-regression-testing/master/view/head:/data/patas_de_trapo.oga
[19:54] <fta> 'this is a binary file' from lp
[19:55] <LLStarks> download and then load into chromium
[19:55] <LLStarks> file:///home/eric/Downloads/patas_de_trapo.oga
[19:55] <LLStarks> like that
[19:55] <micahg> wfm on trynk
[19:55] <micahg> *trnk
[19:55] <micahg> *trunk
[19:56] <micahg> 11.0.699.0
[19:56] <micahg> LLStarks: which version are you running?
[19:56] <LLStarks> 11
[19:56] <LLStarks> menu response is slow
[19:56] <LLStarks> lemme try chrome 10
[19:57] <micahg> LLStarks: which 11?
[19:57] <LLStarks> latest on ucd
[19:57] <micahg> weird, I can't reproduce on that version
[19:57] <fta> hm, the ogg file wfm
[19:58] <micahg> fta: are you running trunk?
[19:58] <fta> oh, i'm using trunk
[19:58] <micahg> yeah
[19:58] <fta> i can't downgrade right now; i'm in the middle of something
[19:59] <micahg> fta: ok, do you think this is a serious enough regression to wait on?
[19:59] <fta> nope, minor. not enough to hold the long list of security fixes
[19:59] <LLStarks> micahg, i was only able to do it wikipedia i think
[20:00] <LLStarks> maybe i'm just having bug bias
[21:07] <LLStarks> micahg, what's the status of bindwood for natty?
[21:07] <micahg> LLStarks: I honestly don't know, chrisccoulson ^^
[21:07]  * micahg thinks it needs porting still
[21:08] <LLStarks> wasn't couchdb dumped though?
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> bindwood has already been ported
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> it just needs uploading
[21:23] <LLStarks> k. thx.
[21:29] <LLStarks> nice. tbird url opening is fixed.
[21:29] <LLStarks> still can't make tbird default though.
[21:33]  * micahg is still having issues with tbirl URLs
[21:36] <LLStarks> build id?
[21:37] <LLStarks> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:<IP_ADDRESS>pre) Gecko/20110308 Lightning/1.0b2 Shredder/3.1.10pre
[21:41] <chrisccoulson> LLStarks, i seriously doubt that the URL opening is fixed, especially in 3.1
[21:41] <LLStarks> it works
[21:41] <chrisccoulson> seeing as fixing it requires implementing support for gio, which tbird 3.1 doesn't have, at all
[21:41] <LLStarks> no more %crap
[21:41] <chrisccoulson> it works by pure luck because of a stale entry in your gconf settings
[21:41] <LLStarks> ah
[21:41] <chrisccoulson> but it definitely *isn't* fixed
[21:41] <LLStarks> you're right
[21:42] <LLStarks> just tried another link
[21:42] <LLStarks> is this bug still milestone beta/rc?
[21:42] <chrisccoulson> yes
[21:43]  * micahg has it still opening firefox-4.0
[21:43] <chrisccoulson> i take it that's not your preferred browser? ;)
[21:43] <micahg> nope, and xdg-open opend in firefox
[21:44] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i bet that's because /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command still says firefox-4.0 ;)
[21:44] <chrisccoulson> that's the old gconf key, which is obsolete, and we need to make tbird not use any more
[21:45] <micahg> nope, set to firefox
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> oh, now that doesn't make sense
[21:46] <micahg> ah, found it, I set the mimetype to open in firefox-4.0 because I couldn't get it to open propely on maverick
[21:46] <micahg> now it works :)
[21:50] <fta> jcastro, didn't you say that the chromium launchers worked better now in unity?
[21:51] <jcastro> fta: the bug is fixed in chromium
[21:51] <jcastro> they export WM_CLASS now
[21:51] <fta> jcastro, i just rebooted, for me, it's far worse.
[21:51] <jcastro> we just need to fix BAMF to recognize it
[21:51] <jcastro> but jason was out sick yesterday and just got back so he probably hasn't look at it yet
[21:51] <fta> uh? isn't that WM_CLASS class in the desktop file?
[21:51] <jcastro> dunno, evmar and neil were discussing it over mail and I totally got lost
[21:52] <jcastro> fta: I'm going to annoy dbo every day from now on to fix the bamf thing
[21:52] <fta> and with the lp ftp disaster, i can't upload, so fixes in chromium will be delayed too
[21:52] <jcastro> http://i.imgur.com/qwHwY.png
[21:53] <jcastro> here, this will make you feel better
[21:53] <jcastro> :)
[21:53] <chrisccoulson> heh, i just saw that :)
[21:53] <chrisccoulson> nice, m_conley \o/
[21:54] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: :D
[21:54] <fta> what am i supposed to see?
[21:54] <jcastro> fta: new mail # on the launcher
[21:54] <m_conley> fta: I'm working on getting TB nice and snug with Unity
[21:54] <fta> oh, i use evo
[21:54] <m_conley> fta: k. :)
[21:55] <fta> but i'm annoyed by the (new?) tooltip that often sticks
[21:55] <fta> it's in the screenshot too
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> fta - the tooltip sticking annoyed me too, but i haven't noticed it for a couple of days
[21:56] <chrisccoulson> i thought it was fixed ;)
[21:56] <fta> i didn't reboot much this week, busy repairing a server that died during the week end
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> fta - so, kees has fixed bug 729839 now (i know that chrome has another issue affecting breakpad too though)
[21:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 729839 in linux "PR_SET_PTRACER does not work from a thread" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/729839
[21:58] <fta> m_conley, i wish evo was able to let me choose which folders i want to see notifications for
[21:58] <fta> is tb able to do that?
[21:59] <m_conley> fta: not yet. i'll add it to the list. :)
[21:59] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, feel free if you want me to help with anything. i feel like i've not given the tbird work much attention for a few weeks ;)
[21:59] <chrisccoulson> **feel free to ask me
[21:59] <chrisccoulson> urgh
[21:59]  * chrisccoulson should check before sending
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> :)
[22:00] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: it'd be nice to get messagingmenu-extension into the packages if possible...AMO doesn't let me do things like have versions for different arch's.
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'll do that tomorrow. that's a good end-of-the-week activity :)
[22:00] <fta> chrisccoulson, if you want a task, the evo thingy would make me jump of joy for hours ;)
[22:01] <micahg> chrisccoulson: uploading stuff that can break everything at 5PM on Friday?
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yes, that's what i like!
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> heh
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> but, in this case, we're just talking about providing these tbird extensions in a PPA
[22:01] <micahg> oh, ok
[22:01] <micahg> there was a question on askubuntu.com about it
[22:02] <chrisccoulson> fta - i could look at it if i get some spare time, but my involvement with most desktop parts at the moment consists of fixing memory leaks and crashers
[22:02] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: a code review on messagingmenu-extension might be in order before you do that though.  I'd hate to bork anybody.  :p
[22:02] <chrisccoulson> sure, no problem
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> fta - so, if you have any dbusmenu related crashes, then you can ping me about those ;)
[22:04] <fta> hm, too bad, just wiped my /var/crash, i had some
[22:04] <fta> i'm no longer reporting them, none of the dozen crashes i reported moved
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> fta - hopefully, some of them are fixed now
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> we've fixed quite a lot the last couple of weeks
[22:07] <fta> well, just upgraded and rebooted, compiz crashed on startup
[22:07] <fta> just got nautilus, nothing else
[22:08] <fta> it's not new, weeks old bug
[22:21] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ping
[22:21] <fta> chrisccoulson, was that ptracer bug relevant to breakpad?
[22:25] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, it broke breakpad if a crash happened off the main thread
[22:25] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley
[22:26] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey - so the context menu options in the Launcher need to be set via the thunderbird.desktop file...an extension really has no access to this file.  So how would you suggest I add these context menu items with my extension?  I imagine we could probably manage something with the packages, by having the unitylauncher-extension alter the thunderbird.desktop file...
[22:27] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: but for users getting it from AMO, I gather they'd be out of luck
[22:27] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: unless I went the long way around, and registered dynamic menuitems in the Launcher
[22:28] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: so I guess my question is:  is there a way for AMO downloaders to get the context menu items without me having to dynamically construct them?  Is there a local user thunderbird.desktop file that my extension would have permission to alter?
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, hmmm, i'm not too sure about that one. i guess you could have the extension modiy the system desktop file and store it in ~/.local/share/applications
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> i'd need to have a think about that though
[22:29] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: alright.  I imagine I'd want to do something similar for messagingmenu-extension, to get Thunderbird in there when it's not running.
[22:29] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: this is all candy for the extensions though.  When this stuff gets integrated, I imagine the Ubuntu Thunderbird package's thunderbird.desktop file will be updated
[22:29] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I guess I just want the extensions to mimic the future behaviour as much as possible.  :p
[22:29] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah. i did think about this when i was thinking about working on it, but i can't remember the conclusion i came to in the end ;)
[22:30] <chrisccoulson> i need to look at the wiki again to figure out how all this works
[22:30] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I don't see anything wrong with munging about with ~/.local/share/applications - I wasn't aware that this was an option.  Sounds good to me.
[22:31] <chrisccoulson> note, that in thunderbird 3.3, you'll even be able to properly find the appropriate desktop file ;)
[22:31] <m_conley> whee! :)
[22:32] <chrisccoulson> you'll be able to use nsIGIOService::CreateAppFromCommand, using the command in the MOZ_APP_LAUNCHER environment variable
[22:32] <chrisccoulson> but it doesn't work just yet
[22:32] <chrisccoulson> and the nsIGIOMimeApp returned is basically a representation of the desktop file
[22:33] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: oh, that's handy
[22:33] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: but yeah, if it's not ready, I gather I should just do it by hand for now.
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> actually, i'm not sure if that would actually work. i don't think gio exposes the path of the desktop file
[22:35] <chrisccoulson> it exposes an ID, whatever that is :/
[22:35] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: well, it wouldn't really matter.  If it's a wrapper, I don't need to know the file.
[22:35] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: unless I misunderstood.  :)
[22:40] <fta> micahg, chrisccoulson: http://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/7b30efc17901bb97#
[22:42] <micahg> fta: that would be nice :), maybe if they could use more system libs :)
[22:43] <chrisccoulson> fta - nice!
[22:43] <chrisccoulson> heh, talking of system libs, i've switched the tbird 3.3 nightlies to use all bundled libs ;)
[22:43] <chrisccoulson> it might be useful to compare the sizes
[22:43] <micahg> chrisccoulson: why?
[22:44] <chrisccoulson> same reason as firefox really (and we want to use breakpad too)
[22:45] <chrisccoulson> brb, session restart
[22:49] <chrisccoulson> oh, nice. scrollwheel works in places now \o/
[22:50] <chrisccoulson> oh, the places have got some nice additions with todays updates
[22:51] <chrisccoulson> the "Apps available for download" section is pretty neat
[22:57] <fta> no scrollwheel in places here :(


[00:29] <n-iCe> Hello guys! does xubuntu can use the best for a good hardware laptop? or is it just designed for low  hardware/resources systems
[01:15] <n-iCe> I really like xubuntu
[01:15] <n-iCe> But I can't even pair my headphones lol
[01:19] <n-iCe> ok, solved it
[01:20] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: Tell more for the channel education :)
[03:40] <Newbie> Hi all.  I am new to Linux and am not sure if I am doing something wrong.  I am trying to install Wine on a new XUbuntu load.  It is stuck on the refreshing cache.  Any advice?
[12:12] <Belph> I've been trying for days now but I still can't get a WiFi Hotspot to start on Xubuntu 20.04. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KHCNFQ6qCT/ https://imgur.com/T2Xjnyq.png even though I set no password for testing the GUI has filled in WPA3 Personal at Wi-Fi security and has everything greyed out. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rmX54Kcfb2/ it says the device wouldn't be compatible with my profile but my WiFi Adapter (Belking N300) is listed as
[12:12] <Belph> "works out of the box" on help.ubuntu and I used it for months to make WiFi hotspots on Windows 10.
[12:17] <diogenes_> Belph, doesn't it connect to wifi networks out of the box?
[12:17] <Belph> It does. I seem to be able to connect to normal WiFi networks just fine but am unable to create a Hotspot
[12:18] <diogenes_> bluesabre, so  "works out of the box"  it means exactly that.
[12:19] <diogenes_> Belph, *
[12:20] <Belph> Sorry, I just expected it to mean all function the device could perform. Just stated it for clarification that I check the compatibility list on help.ubuntu and am not just asking without prior research
[12:22] <diogenes_> it works out of the box just i suspect the driver has no AP support.
[12:24] <Belph> Oh no :( how were you able to find out?
[12:26] <diogenes_> i said i suspect but i'm not sure.
[12:37] <Belph> Is there a command with which I might be able to check if my adapter is capable of creating an access point?
[13:06] <diogenes_> Belph, check the github page of the driver.
[13:45] <kzar> Any idea how I can fix the problem where the lock screen doesn't display for a few seconds after my laptop wakes up from being suspended?
[13:46] <kzar> I'm using XFCE and lightdm
[14:34] <xu-irc49w> Hi all, I just installed Xubuntu 20.04. Everything looks & works great! I am missing gmusicbrowser, however. Has that been scratched? It doesn't show up in synaptic and it isn't found by apt-get?!
[14:38] <diogenes_> !info gmusicbrowser
[14:39] <brainwash> xu-irc49w: it was removed in 19.10
[14:39] <brainwash> "Depends on obsolete libgtk2-perl"
[14:40] <xu-irc49w> oh. I already tried to install it via deb-packade & from the tar.gz. Didn't work - because of the dependency? Why was it removed? What is the replacement? Rhythmbox?
[14:40] <xu-irc49w> (thx for helping out, btw ;o) )
[14:41] <brainwash> replacement in Xubuntu is Parole
[14:41] <xu-irc49w> Any way to get it running? I do love my camel ;^)
[14:41] <xu-irc49w> Ah. ok. Parole any good?
[14:41] <brainwash> you can use any media player you like
[14:42] <xu-irc49w> yeah... if that was true I could use gmusicbrowser ;^)
[14:42] <brainwash> however, using something unmaintained like gmusicbrowser can be problematic
[14:42] <brainwash> you can actually
[14:42] <brainwash> install 18.04
[14:42] <xu-irc49w> Yes, but that would only postpone the problem
[14:43] <xu-irc49w> I guess I give that parole a try
[14:43] <xu-irc49w> Thank you for your help!
[14:43] <brainwash> until then you could take the source code of gmusicbrowser and make it work on newer ubuntu versions :)
[14:44] <xu-irc49w> That's a great idea! But, alas, I ain't that skilled...
[14:44] <xu-irc49w> I do hope somebody else get's to work, though!
[15:15] <WCV> sudoku is te groot voor het scherm hoe los ik dit op.
[15:30] <xu-help24w> I'am a Xubuntu 18.04LTS user, the 20.04 LTS sofware version  is not available with the software updater. is it normal?
[15:31] <diogenes_> xu-help24w, yes
[15:33] <xu-help24w> thx with your answer, you know if it will coming soon?
[15:37] <diogenes_> xu-help24w, after Ubuntu 20.04.1 comes out.
[15:39] <xu-help24w> Thx a lot
[15:45] <jdwwatts> this new install I did crashed and now has no software manager am I missing something or is there something I can do about it ?
[15:51] <xu-irc17w> Hi all, trying to get QuodLibet running, but it doesn't play any mp3?! ogg is fine, though. I think I got all the "bad", "ugly" and "restricted" codecs... what yould be missing?
[15:53] <xu-irc17w> vlc does play mp3, though...
[15:53] <xu-irc17w> & parole, too...
[15:54] <xu-irc17w> do I need to check a box in QuodLibet or something?!
[15:57] <jdwwatts> aperantly tere is no internet source for downloading packages
[16:07] <xu-irc17w> it seems to play just for a sec and then stops... ideas, anyone?!
[16:26] <jdwwatts> https://imgur.com/Dm9Nhx7.png im stuck on this with the software package manager anyone know about this
[17:54] <kzar> I'm curious does xubuntu 20.04 use light-locker and lightdm by default? Does it have the problem where after laptop wakes from suspend when opening lid, the desktop flashes before the lock screen is displayed?
[17:55] <kzar> I'm running Ubuntu but with XFCE installed manually, just spent a good part of the day trying to fix that flash of the desktop but have more-or-less given up
[17:56] <diogenes_> kzar, xfce4-screensave replaced light-locker.
[17:56] <diogenes_> xfce4-screensaver*
[17:58] <kzar> diogenes_: But still lightdm?
[17:59] <diogenes_> kzar, i think so, you can check it out here: https://distrotest.net/Xubuntu
[18:01] <kzar> diogenes_: Cool, thanks. I tried to find the source to check, but didn't have much luck
[18:48] <pgpfox> Hi, anyone knows if its possible to setup so the second external monitor has fonts and icons and everything in a larger scale than the original laptop-monitor?  I have connected my laptop to my ASUS 34" and use it as a TV display in my bedroom, and everything is too damn small.
[22:34] <n-iCe> hi
[23:08] <n-iCe> guys, do you know how to make xubuntu not to lock the laptop
[23:08] <n-iCe> It's supposed to be off, but it does it anyway


[00:00] <mmorais_> utlemming: can you tell me a little about cloud config for disk_setup?
[08:58] <Odd_Bloke> mmorais_: What do you want to know?
[12:02] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja_away: Your wish is my commmand; I've updated https://code.launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/cloud-init/cloudstack-passwords/+merge/250028 with changes.
[12:02] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja_away: Worth noting (in response to some of your comments), these passwords are always randomly generated by CloudStack.
[12:03] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja_away: So there's very little chance that they will match the 'special' strings which indicate failure etc.
[13:40] <mhroncok> smoser: ping
[13:57] <Odd_Bloke> mhroncok: I think smoser is on holiday this week.
[14:03] <mhroncok> Odd_Bloke: thanks
[15:40] <jseun> heya! Quick peeking at the code, I don't find the python module responsible for final-message, any hints please?
[15:47] <Odd_Bloke> jseun: cloudinit/config/cc_final_message.py?
[15:49] <jseun> so true, thanks Odd_Bloke
[15:50] <Odd_Bloke> jseun: :)
[15:51] <jseun> Odd_Bloke: any clues how I can include export ENV variables in the final message? like $IPADDR
[15:52] <jseun> hmm.. I could as well print that info from /etc/issue...
[15:52] <jseun> thinking out loud
[15:55] <Odd_Bloke> jseun: It looks like you have uptime, timestamp, version and datasource available to you there; don't think there's much else you can do...
[15:57] <jseun> Odd_Bloke: that's what I thought, thanks for your input on that one
[18:03] <harlowja> Odd_Bloke cool, random better than nothing, ha, although still weird :-P
[19:57] <harlowja> Odd_Bloke ok, added a few more comments (nothing major)


[19:53] <josharenson> cimi: you're probably off today, but I got the social actions working, I'll push a branch, but someone needs to add it to silo 71


[00:00] <arraybolt3[m]> (And if you're still on Rawhide, it's definitely worth a shot.)
 No i’m not on Rawhide
[00:03] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, the image has been built, now I'm just compressing it so it will upload and download quicker.
 and from where
[00:05] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm going to upload it to GitHub once it's compressed and then send the link. The repo is here: https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuGalaxyBookS (I've not yet uploaded the image file, however.) And I need to edit the README to be correct, but that's where it's going to be at eventually.
 K, tell me when i can download
 I’m going to sleep now, is it a problem to continue tomorrow?
[00:06] <arraybolt3[m]> No problem at all. Frankly, it may take that long to upload, so that's probably a good idea.
 Oh okay nice, see you
[00:08] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍 👋
 Hii
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 Good morning, here I am (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> 👍 👋)
 Btw most of the time are applications that crash (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> Like, the whole OS crashes, or just individual apps? @I_it_depends_I)
 I can tell now that i’ve used it for a little bit
 Nothing appears in that link (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> I'm going to upload it to GitHub once it's compressed and then send the link. The repo is here: https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuGalaxyBookS (I've not yet uploaded the image file, however.) And I need to edit the README to be correct, but that's where it's going to be at eventually.)
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 arraybolt3
[15:02] <MrSassyPants> is there some one click create access point option in kde like you would have on a mobile phone?
[15:12] <cbreak> MrSassyPants: 2 clicks
[15:12] <MrSassyPants> power word pls
[15:12] <cbreak> click on the network icon in the status bar
[15:13] <cbreak> then click on the create hotspot button
[15:13] <MrSassyPants> oh dayum I did not see that one
[15:13] <MrSassyPants> thanks for pointing out I'm not just dumb but also blind
[15:23] <MrSassyPants> cbreak, ok I can't convince it to use a password >_>
[15:24] <MrSassyPants> I found the setting where you can set the hotspot name and password but it doesn't seem to take
[15:28] <cbreak> I've never used that functionality.
[15:30] <cbreak> you should be able to manually create a hotspot by adding a wi-fi network connection in accesspoint mode?
[15:38] <MrSassyPants> ok that works, but now finally, it doesn't seem to be able to set up a 5ghz network?
[15:39] <MrSassyPants> (It's the mobos wifi and should be able to do Wifi 6)
[15:49] <MrSassyPants> On some channels it actually sets up the hotspot and my phone sees it but can't connect
[15:50] <MrSassyPants> Either there's a drastic driver problem, OR the problem is there's no automatic channel selection if you set it to 5ghz, and setting it to automatic band it prefers 2.4ghz for some reason
 hii
 arraybolt3
 meta+w  is not worling
 meta+w  is not working
[17:28] <jaimedr> Hello, how can I create a permissions for adding a new folder on dolphin?, I am trying to install Java and to create a java folder on usr on the hard drive. I am running kubuntu 21.10
 folder to contain your java files? (re @IrcsomeBot: <jaimedr> Hello, how can I create a permissions for adding a new folder on dolphin?, I am trying to install Java and to create a java folder on usr on the hard drive. I am running kubuntu 21.10)
 use crtl F10?
 or  in terminal sudo touch i think
 it is like this
 sudo touch <file name>
 step by step
 open terminal by crtl + alt+t
 cd /
 cd usr
 sudo touch <file name> (re @IrcsomeBot: <jaimedr> Hello, how can I create a permissions for adding a new folder on dolphin?, I am trying to install Java and to create a java folder on usr on the hard drive. I am running kubuntu 21.10)
[17:56] <jaimedr> I created the file, but not a folder
[17:57] <oerheks> support ended for 21.10 ..
[17:57] <oerheks> upgrade please.
[18:04] <enigma9o7[m]> one day too late
[18:07] <enigma9o7[m]> is upgrade to 22.04 supported now?
[18:08] <oerheks> from 21.10 sure, for months now..?
[18:08] <oerheks> lts > lts goes open on 4 august
[18:10] <enigma9o7[m]> ah I see.
 arraybolt3, I fixed the audio problem (installing things), not it recognize something but it’s “dummy audio” and doesnt work… For the microphone, well it doesn’t recognize
 arraybolt3, I fixed the audio problem (installing things), now it recognize something but it’s “dummy audio” and doesnt work… For the microphone, well it doesn’t recognize
 arraybolt3, I fixed the audio problem (installing things), now it detects something but it’s “dummy audio” and doesnt work… For the microphone, well it doesn’t recognize
 arraybolt3, I fixed the audio problem (installing things), now it detects something but it’s “dummy audio” and doesnt work… For the microphone, well it doesn’t detect
[19:09] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: Congrats on getting the audio problem partially solved! I finished making that Kubuntu image if you'd like to give it a spin.
 yes i’d like tuat
 yes i’d like that
 Is it uploaded on Github?
 Is Kubuntu managed by canonical?
 @parkour_29 The infrastructure is provided by Canonical as Kubuntu's benefit of being an official flavor of Ubuntu, but it is not managed by Canonical.
 Kubuntu's not managed by Canonical, the infrastructure is.
 Just checked it’s managed by a community now
 The community decentralized?
[20:24] <valorie> we've always managed ourselves
[20:24] <valorie> Canonical is a company; they manage themselves and the infra they provide to the community
 @arraybolt3[m] (re @I_it_depends_I: Is it uploaded on Github?)
 Oh ok
[21:24] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: Sorry, got a bit carried away, I'll be right back to help with that.
 Dw, tell me when we can proceed
 Tag me
[22:25] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: OK, I'm here.
 Well
[22:25] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: I got the image made and uploaded. Do you have a second flash drive other than the Fedora one to try this on, or are you OK with having to redo Fedora in the event this doesn't work out?
 i have one, it’s 7,5 GB, is it okay?
[22:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Sadly, no, it should be at least 16 GB.
 well no problem in redoing fedora
 I don’t like it so much
[22:27] <arraybolt3[m]> OK.
 In case of failure i’ll try Nitrux 2.2.1 that should also work
[22:28] <arraybolt3[m]> So boot up from a live ISO (the Fedora 36 ISO should work fine).
[22:28] <arraybolt3[m]> This will allow us to download and install the Kubuntu image.
 Don’t understand, have i to flash fedora 36 on the pendrive and click to try it?
 then do things
[22:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Where's that USB drive that you booted from to install Fedora?
[22:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, once you boot it, then you click to try it, then do things.
[22:30] <arraybolt3[m]> The reason we do this is because we can't boot from the 64 GB drive for this, since we're going to write the OS image to the 64 GB drive.
 Ahh okay (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> Where's that USB drive that you booted from to install Fedora?)
[22:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Let me know whenever you're booted up and ready.
 Give me some moment
 In case do you know if audio and stuff work
 In case do you know if audio and stuff will work
[22:33] <arraybolt3[m]> I do not know if audio will work, but if anything's going to work, this will likely give you the best shot at it.
[22:34] <arraybolt3[m]> I installed Linux 5.19 kernel into it, which is the absolute newest release available, and was released just a couple days ago I believe.
 Nice
 Ok, I’m starting Fedora from the flash pendrive, what do I have to do when it loads?
 Ok, started Fedora from flash pendrive
 Ok, started Fedora from flash pendrive and clicked to try it
[22:43] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: Open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T, ensure your 64GB drive is inserted, and run "lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999", then send the link it spits out.
[22:43] <arraybolt3[m]> That will tell me which device name is your flash drive.
 okay
 https://termbin.com/m0o1
[22:47] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: OK, so next, run "sudo su -" so we can run commands as root.
[22:48] <arraybolt3[m]> (Usually you'd just prefix commands with "sudo" to run them as root, but that may or may not work for one of the commands we need.)
 done
 yes, now the first thing written is "root" (i mean when he asks what to do)
[22:49] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: OK, next is "umount /dev/sda2".
[22:50] <arraybolt3[m]> That will unmount the one mounted partition on the flash drive so we can flash it safely.
 done
[22:50] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: OK, this is a very large command, and it will take a while to run, so type it carefully and be patient when it's done.
[22:50] <arraybolt3[m]> wget -O - https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/download/7.31.2022/kubuntu.gz.1 https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/download/7.31.2022/kubuntu.gz.2 https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/download/7.31.2022/kubuntu.gz.3 | zcat | dd of=./test.gz bs=4M
[22:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Wait, botched it.
[22:51] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: Don't run that yet.
[22:51] <arraybolt3[m]> wget -O - https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/download/7.31.2022/kubuntu.gz.1 https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/download/7.31.2022/kubuntu.gz.2 https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/download/7.31.2022/kubuntu.gz.3 | zcat | dd of=/dev/sda bs=4M
 i'm not running
 this one?
[22:51] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: OK, there's the right one. ^
[22:52] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: This will download the three parts of the image, uncompress them, and flash them to the drive all at once.
 nice
 it's doing that
 tells me about 13 min are necessary
[22:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice. It's a 5.1 GB download, so yeah, it will take a while.
[22:52] <arraybolt3[m]> (You're not on a metered connection, right?)
 what do you mean with metered? (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> (You're not on a metered connection, right?))
[22:55] <arraybolt3[m]> I mean, do you have unlimited data on your Internet connection?
[22:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Or are these large downloads possibly a problem?
 Yep (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> I mean, do you have unlimited data on your Internet connection?)
 no they arent (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> Or are these large downloads possibly a problem?)
[22:56] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍
 the problem is that it seems to be freezed, but maybe it’s normal. It tells me are necessary 14m 3s since 3 min ago
[22:57] <arraybolt3[m]> It may be normal, if it's hit a part that was seriously well compressed and is now stuck decompressing.
 Ah no okay it changed
 idk if it finished
 i’m sending a photo
 https://imgur.com/a/J0iYoCS
[23:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, no, something went wrong there.
[23:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, looking...
[23:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Crud, I think I see why it's not working, but how to get it to work, that's the tricky part.
 🥲
 Wait, i noted now that the hour set was wrong, could it be a problem?
[23:06] <arraybolt3[m]> No, probably not.
 okya
 okay
[23:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Do you have a third flash drive other than the one you're flashing to and the one you're booted from?
[23:07] <arraybolt3[m]> I see you were booted from an SD card, so I'm hoping you have one more spare USB port on that laptop.
 Yes but it's 7.5 GB and really terrible
 never worked well as flash drive
[23:07] <arraybolt3[m]> That's fine, it's large enough to hole 5.1 GB of data. Is that OK to use it for that?
[23:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm. OK, well...
 yep it's okay
 we can try
[23:10] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm trying to think of any other possible solutions so we don't burn out the flash drive.
 we can try with that drive, it's empty and sometimes it worked (in particular to boot linux mint)
 Linux tell me there are 8.1 GB of free space on that
[23:13] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Plug it in, reformat it with fat32 using KDE Partition Manager, and then download the kubuntu.gz.1, kubuntu.gz.2, and kubuntu.gz.3 files from here: https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/tag/7.31.2022
 dont find kde partition manager
[23:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Agh, that's right, use Disks then.
 btw i think it's fat32
[23:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh OK. Then there may be no need to reformat.
[23:16] <arraybolt3[m]> (You will have to set the download directory to the fat32 drive.)
 how to do that (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> (You will have to set the download directory to the fat32 drive.))
 what do you mean with download directory
[23:18] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: Actually, just open the file manager and open the fat32 drive.
 Mh, because i can see it's downloading files in the folder "downloads"
[23:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, we'd need to change it to the external drive, because currently the "downloads" folder is actually in your system's RAM, and that's not going to hold all the files.
[23:21] <arraybolt3[m]> But hold on, there's another command line trick that may work, I'm testing it.
[23:23] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: Try this longwinded nightmare of a command and see if it works.
 Btw don’t understand why the speed of downloading is doubled in Linux respect to Windows
[23:23] <arraybolt3[m]> cat <(wget -O - https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/download/7.31.2022/kubuntu.gz.1) <(wget -O - https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/download/7.31.2022/kubuntu.gz.2) <(https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/download/7.31.2022/kubuntu.gz.3) | zcat | dd of=/dev/sda bs=4M
 ok
[23:24] <arraybolt3[m]> You're not the first one to notice that Linux can download faster than Windows sometimes - it's really nice.
 should i stop the download of these (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Plug it in, reformat it with fat32 using KDE Partition Manager, and then download the kubuntu.gz.1, kubuntu.gz.2, and kubuntu.gz.3 files from here: https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/tag/7.31.2022)
[23:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, do that.
 I think that the command u gave me is working fine
 I can say it for sure, because i tried a lot in these two days...
 In windows download speed is 400 Kb/s
 Actually it's 4 Mb/s (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> You're not the first one to notice that Linux can download faster than Windows sometimes - it's really nice.)
 In fact this download is at 50% (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> cat <(wget -O - https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/download/7.31.2022/kubuntu.gz.1) <(wget -O - https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/download/7.31.2022/kubuntu.gz.2) <(https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/download/7.31.2022/kubuntu.gz.3) | zcat | dd of=/dev/sda bs=4M)
[23:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Huh, cool! And... yikes, 400 Kb/s? I've had to deal with that, and it is not fun.
[23:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice. I think that's just the first file though, and there's three files.
 okay (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> Nice. I think that's just the first file though, and there's three files.)
 https://imgur.com/a/zLwxHFf
 think it stopped for some reason
 after ending the first download
[23:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Great, looks like GitHub glitched this time. OK, I guess just download the files to the flash drive so we can avoid this silliness.
 so i have to download these files? (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Plug it in, reformat it with fat32 using KDE Partition Manager, and then download the kubuntu.gz.1, kubuntu.gz.2, and kubuntu.gz.3 files from here: https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/tag/7.31.2022)
[23:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Yes.
 if yes, how to direct them to the drive
[23:40] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: Cick the triple lines in the upper-right corner of Firefox, go to Settings, and find the download location drop down.
 thx, done
 about 15 min for the 3 files


[09:52] <Madpilot> ?
[10:43] <mdke> hey jsgotangco
[10:43] <Madpilot> ah, people. having fun riding the splits?
[10:43] <jsgotangco> hey
[10:43] <jsgotangco> so there's a split
[10:43] <jsgotangco> that's why
[10:44] <jsgotangco> whats up?
[10:44] <jsgotangco> mdke: long time no chat
[10:44] <Madpilot> server mnt at freenode, actually. the main channel is bizarre
[10:44] <mdke> hi Madpilot
[10:44] <Madpilot> hi mdke
[10:45] <jsgotangco> internet is shitty on my side today
[10:46] <Madpilot> .ph is the Phillipines, right?
[10:46] <mdke> for a change :)
[10:46] <jsgotangco> right
[10:47] <Madpilot> sorry, just running whois on ppl...
[10:47] <jsgotangco> heh im staying more at home lately anyways
[10:48] <Madpilot> only 198 users over on the main channel - least I've ever seen...
[10:49] <mdke> jsgotangco, i saw you say you've finished your job
[10:49] <mdke> got any plans?
[10:50] <jsgotangco> mdke: i'm living off my savings at the moment looking at employment in a few days though
[10:50] <mdke> k
[10:50] <jsgotangco> i can be your stenographer if you want :) i type 72wpm :D
[10:50] <jsgotangco> hehe
[10:50] <mdke> you should formalise your role as docteam secretary and talk to mark about a salary
[10:51] <Madpilot> there isn't anyone @ Canonical whos primary responsibility is docs, right?
[10:51] <jsgotangco> heh yeah maybe i should do that one time
[10:51] <mdke> Madpilot, no
[10:51] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: there is none at the moment, but that should change soon as the project grows
[10:52] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: hence there is really no concrete direction at the moment
[10:52] <mdke> jsgotangco, you should do it right now :)
[10:53] <jsgotangco> i've been helping out tsf though on the cookbook port but i should move it to tsf servers
[10:53] <jsgotangco> once i started forking it for edubuntu
[10:54] <jsgotangco> i got an email from froud today turns out he admins those docs from tsf as well heh
[10:54] <mdke> tsf?
[10:54] <jsgotangco> shuttleworth foundation
[10:55] <mdke> hmm
[10:55] <jsgotangco> im not surprised after all he did learn linux for them
[10:56] <jsgotangco> they currently have a good project at the moment, the ICDL
[10:56] <jsgotangco> http://icdl.tsf.org.za/
[10:57] <jsgotangco> if you look at the contact info its inwords.co.za :)
[11:00] <mdke> heh
[11:00] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: what about inwords?
[11:00] <highvoltage> i'm just on jabber with Sean at the moment.
[11:01] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: nothing really, just telling mdke about stuff hehehe its cool
[11:01] <highvoltage> ok. cool.
[11:01] <jsgotangco> what's Sean's jabber ID?
[11:01] <mdke> highvoltage, you can read the scrollback
[11:01] <mdke> 10 lines
[11:01] <highvoltage><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:01] <highvoltage> mine is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>fwiw
[11:02] <jsgotangco> i was thinking of helping out the icdl on the ubuntu part
[11:02] <jsgotangco> since it already had mandriva and fedora
[11:02] <highvoltage> cool!
[11:03] <jsgotangco> ok thanks
[11:04] <jsgotangco> mdke: are you aware of any docbook tags that resemble a footnote?
[11:06] <Madpilot> I've been adding to this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands but I'm a near-total noob - I'm just adding the commands I'm finding helpful
[11:06] <Madpilot> if anyone has suggestions edit away!
[11:08] <jsgotangco> checking...
[11:09] <mdke> Madpilot, cool
[11:09] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: nice one, i suggest simulating a CLI on the samples though
[11:09] <mdke> jsgotangco, they exist... i dunno what they are tho, I always just copy from existing stuff
[11:09] <Madpilot> I'm considering a total re-format, and there's a couple of things I need to add as well
[11:09] <jsgotangco> mdke: yeah im just doing an awful hack at the moment and its not even working for me
[11:10] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:10] <jsgotangco> i should look into that basic docbook wiki entry might be there
[11:10] <Madpilot> the text switches between "terminal", "prompt" and "command line" at random - I need to rationalize that
[11:11] <jsgotangco> mdke: did you do this: DocteamDocBookTags
[11:13] <mdke> no
[11:13] <mdke> Greg did it
[11:13] <jsgotangco> ohh
[11:14] <mdke> i think it might be in the styleguide?
[11:14] <mdke> maybe not...
[11:15] <jsgotangco> no its not there was a plan to incorporate some basic docbook tags on the stylguide and i was thinking of adding whats in the wiki entry
[11:15] <jsgotangco> i remember jeffsch used to have a good wiki entry on docbook
[11:15] <jsgotangco> it just needs to be re-written in an ubuntu context
[11:19] <jsgotangco> i'll see you guys later, the father of a very close friend of mine died this morning after a long struggle with lung cancer
[11:19] <jsgotangco> laters
[11:19] <Madpilot> later, jsgotangco
[11:37] <Madpilot> I'm off myself. g'night/morning/whatever, all
[03:21] <jsgotangco> is the xsl stylesheet for xml in hoary borked?
[03:41] <mgalvin> g'morning all
[03:42] <jsgotangco> hey mgalvin
[03:50] <jsgotangco> man A9.com is awesome
[03:50] <jsgotangco> AJAX on steroids
[03:50] <jjesse> that's the amazon search right?
[03:51] <jsgotangco> yup that's an amazon research
[03:51] <jsgotangco> i don't like the history stuff though
[03:52] <jsgotangco> it kept reminding me that I checked out jessica simpson last night
[03:52] <jsgotangco> but having google, images and wikipedia in one search is really nice
[04:20] <jsgotangco> good night all
[04:20] <mdke> night mate
[04:20] <jsgotangco> wow
[04:20] <jsgotangco> mdke!
[04:20] <jsgotangco> why have you've been silent?
[04:20] <mdke> i'm at my computer less nowadays
[04:20] <jsgotangco> i see
[04:20] <mdke> so i use email more
[04:21] <mdke> in the last couple of weeks I've been quite busy with ubuntu-it
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i'm trying to figure out this script i ripped from jeffsch
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i see
[04:32] <jsgotangco> bye
[05:11] <jjesse> slow day today?
[05:12] <mgalvin> i can see the tumble weeds ;)
[05:16] <mpt> whoa
[05:16] <mpt> Try opening an SVG document in yelp
[05:16] <jjesse> bad news?
[05:16] <mpt> endless cascade of yelp windows :-)
[09:38] <Burgundavia> grumble grumble
[09:39] <Burgundavia> daniels cursed me
[09:39] <Burgundavia> I haven't had a single issue with X until now
[09:41] <Burgundavia> and now there is nobody here it bitch at
[09:45] <jjesse> problems?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:46] <Burgundavia> it gets to the where it would boot X and just goes to a non-graphical login
[09:46] <Burgundavia> no attempt to start X
[09:47] <Burgundavia> quite ironic, I got borked by the unborking release
[09:59] <jjesse> that sucks
[10:05] <mpt> ok, the Gnome User Guide is officially scary
[10:08] <mpt> Number of words in GUG's "Customizing the Desktop Background": 517. Number of words in Ubuntu Help's "Changing the desktop background": 117.
[10:10] <jjesse> wow that is a ton
[10:11] <mpt> I guess at some point the GUG was written by people who were paid by the word ...
[10:11] <jjesse> what would be the reason for that many words?
[10:12] <mpt> well, there's a *lot* of repetition
[10:12] <mpt> not of sentences, but of phrases
[10:13] <mpt> For example, three sentences matching the pattern "Choose * from the Background Style drop-down list*"
[10:14] <mpt> and just basic floweriness, like "Alternatively, you can select" instead of "Or choose"
[10:16] <mpt> I don't go for fewest words, though, I go for fewest syllables :-)
[10:16] <jjesse> go for best word
[10:16] <mpt> fewest syllables usually leads to best word
[10:17] <mpt> because a smaller word is much more likely to be common
[10:17] <mpt> easier to read, etc
[10:24] <mpt> The GUG also has a habit of doing a depth-first traversal of the interface, which leads to it explaining the bleeding obvious while not offering help on likely problems
[10:26] <mpt> example of the bleeding obvious: "The Pick a Color dialog is displayed. Choose a color, then click OK."
[10:27] <mpt> example of not offering help on likely problems: It doesn't even tell you how to find the Desktop Background preferences in the first place.
[10:43] <Burgundavia> ouch
[10:43] <Burgundavia> mpt, you follow desktop-devel?
[10:44] <mpt> yes
[10:44] <Burgundavia> thoughts on thread about device icon action?
[10:45] <Burgundavia> I notice that OS X does the same thing as nautilus (show the file manager)
[10:47] <mpt> My personal opinion is that Nautilus should have a "View" > "as Album" mode that gives you a Play button for music files, pictures, and movies
[10:47] <mpt> (along with other buttons relevant to the filetype)
[10:48] <Burgundavia> ya
[10:48] <mpt> but I guess that's some distance from current reality and developer direction :-)
[10:48] <Burgundavia> I personally think the default double click should be to play the dvd/cd
[10:48] <Burgundavia> that is most likely what the person wants to do
[10:49] <mpt> In other words, I agree with those who want double-clicking on it to open the device window, *and* those who want double-clicking on it to open an interface for playing the media :-)
[10:50] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:54] <Burgundavia> going to play with by breezy system again, try and fix it
[11:04] <Burgundavia> I accidentally removed gdm from my system
[11:05] <Madpilot> that was brilliant
[11:05] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia
[11:07] <Burgundavia> salut mon frere
[11:07] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, are you not at work?
[11:10] <Burgundavia> I have some very nice classical music. I should listen to it more often
[11:11] <Madpilot> I don't work Mondays - my week is Tues-Sat for now
[11:12] <Burgundavia> random app --> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=995
[11:53] <Burgundavia> that would be cool
[11:56] <Madpilot> xplanet is the "live" Earth-from-orbit simulator, right?
[11:56] <mpt> no, that's xearth :-)
[11:57] <mpt> xplanet is Earth + other planets + Sun + Moon
[11:57] <Madpilot> very cool. they're both in Hoary's repos, I see. any tricks to setting them up?
[11:57] <mpt> The last time I used either of them was xearth in 1998
[11:58] <mpt> though I did design the prefs for the non-Free (shame! shame!) OSXplanet
[11:58] <Madpilot> perhaps I'll mess with them later this week - and then write a wiki page about it!


[23:52] <teward> JanC: mdeslaur: given that this was announced publicly and landed on at least 10 separate tech sites and security mailing lists, it's already a Big Deal, but since Mozilla's already committed the removal of it from the trust stores, I'm assuming the 'fall-out' will be more or less limited.  (I already did `sudo dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates` on my system and deselected the mozilla/TrustCor* certs without widespread impact)


[01:10] <BarkingFish> morning all :)  How do I request that we take something into kubuntu that we don't appear to have?  I need a keyboard layout for Inuktitut, and we don't have one as far as I can see :)
[02:31] <ScottK> Is there a package in Debian already?
[06:57] <bambee> morning, mhhh... when I start my session with kde 4.8.2 (from the ppa) the sound played on login loops forever :\
[08:09] <Riddell> bambee: uh oh
[08:37] <Riddell> afiestas: akonadi-google-daily building again, I have high hopes of it building this time https://code.launchpad.net/~cyberspace/+recipe/akonadi-google-daily
[09:05] <Peace-> Riddell: are you here?
[09:05] <Peace->  i was be able to fix a bug  to share with samba
[09:05] <Peace-> and dolphin
[09:11] <Riddell> Peace-: groovy, send it to the dolphin mailing list
[09:15] <Peace-> Riddell: it's a ubuntu bug
[09:16] <Peace-> Riddell: if you have not wins before dns on etc/nsswitch.conf
[09:16] <Peace-> you can't browser your computer with samba
[09:16] <Peace-> and of course you need sudo apt-get install samba kdenetwork-filesharing libpam-winbind winbind
[09:16] <Peace-> after that dolphin works fine
[09:17] <Peace-> like nautilus
[09:18] <Riddell> Peace-: aah, well the ubuntu server team would be the folk to sort that, post to their mailing list
[09:19] <Riddell> or work out who has uploaded samba recently and ping them
[09:22] <Peace-> Riddell: btw  even dependeces are worng
[09:22] <Peace-> because without winbind you can not browse
[09:22] <Peace-> wrong
[09:56] <Riddell> ug yet another mess up on 4.8.2 in oneiric Depends: libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.8.0) but 4:4.7.4-0ubuntu8.1 is to be installed
[10:00] <Riddell> oh I'm being silly
[10:06] <Peace-> i will do a bug report then
[10:38] <Peace-> Riddell: http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/snapshot21.jpg this is what you get without winbind
[10:38] <Peace-> Riddell: with winbind => http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/snapshot20.jpg
[10:49] <Peace-> bug report done! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/975028
[11:40] <BarkingFish> Afternoodles all :)  Anyone around who can help with some Precise issues please?
[11:45] <BarkingFish> I ran an upgrade overnight to get onto the Precise beta, and it looks great, but there are some issues with the 3.2.0-22.35 kernel headers, primarily that ndiswrapper is missing.
[11:46] <BarkingFish> I'm having to use my old 3.0.0-18 kernel to get on the net at the moment
[11:48] <BarkingFish> I tried to modprobe ndiswrapper following the upgrade, and despite ndiswrapper-utils and ndiswrapper-common being at the latest versions, system responds: FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found
[11:53]  * BarkingFish decides to come back later, suspecting most of the US contingent are in bed, and the Europe contingent are probably at work :)
[13:21] <snele> JontheEchidna: hi jonathan. I have new problem with muon updater. http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2V/Mk/sOGTbzp/snapshot40.png
[13:21] <snele> snapshot is taken after clean boot
[13:21] <snele> apt-get works
[13:28] <snele> JontheEchidna: the problem is present on oneiric and on precise since latest muon bugfix release
[13:28] <snele> (I think)
[14:35] <Peace-> Riddell: are you there?
[14:35] <Peace-> no :)
[14:55] <ScottK> Peace-: He said in email he'd be out.
[15:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: Where are we on the new greater?
[15:14] <Peace-> ScottK: can you do something about this bug ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/975028
[15:14] <ScottK> rbelem: ^^^ ?
[15:20] <jessie> Has anyone else been having issues with akonadi_nepomuk_feeder?
[15:20] <jessie> Specifically, memory leaks of massive proportions.
[15:27] <Peace-> i have \ had a massive 3 gig of /var/tmpt
[15:27] <Peace-> i have \ had a massive 3 gig of /var/tmp
[15:35] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[15:47] <Daskreech> Hello BluesKaj
[15:48] <BluesKaj> hi Daskreech :)
[15:56] <Daskreech> ^_^
[16:12] <ScottK> KDE SC 4.8.2 is finally built on all archs.
[16:21] <jessie> When will those packages get pushed to 12.04?
[16:24] <BarkingFish> Afternoon guys. Anyone around now who can help sort out a prob with 12.04 beta please?
[16:24] <yottabit> what was the reasoning for dropping firefox?
[16:25] <yottabit> ah there i am!
[16:25] <yottabit> thought i was idling in here
[16:25] <ybit> yeah, i'm still here
[16:25] <BarkingFish> firefox has gone? What the...
[16:27] <BarkingFish> Anyway, I'm having some grief with 12.04's new kernel, <IP_ADDRESS>-35 - I have the kernel headers installed, but ndiswrapper seems to be missing.  Trying to update it tells me I'm already using the newest version, and when I try to modprobe it, I just get told FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
[16:27] <BarkingFish> I've had to fall back to running Precise on my old 3.0.0-18 kernel
[16:28] <ScottK> BarkingFish: For non-Kubuntu things like the kernel, you're probably better off asking in #ubuntu+1.
[16:29] <BarkingFish> Ok ScottK - I'll check it with them.
[16:38] <rbelem> ScottK, hum... i will take a look on it
[16:39] <ScottK> rbelem: Thanks.
[16:40] <BarkingFish> well that settles my hash, ScottK - ndiswrapper's been dropped from the kernel with no explanation
[16:40] <BarkingFish> went out in <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:40] <ScottK> There you go.
[16:41] <BarkingFish> i've just been told where to go in order to get an explanation, so it's time to put my polite face on, grit my teeth, and get ready for lunch :P
[16:42] <BarkingFish> never mind, I have my answer. It's been supported as a dkms package now, so it's not necessary to duplicate it in kernel
[16:42] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/917654/
[16:47] <ScottK> So then the question is do we have it packaged as one?
[16:47] <ScottK> I guess we do.
[16:48] <ScottK> DKMS works pretty well.  I have a netbook with Broadcom wireless that needs it and it works well.
[16:54] <rbelem> ScottK, i  cant reproduce that bug
[16:55] <rbelem> ScottK, works fine for me with the defaults
[16:56] <rbelem> i will try harder with a new installation
[16:57] <rbelem> Riddell, ScottK, could you help me with the kwin active stuff?
[16:57] <rbelem> i did not manage to get it working
[16:57] <rbelem> i m getting this error http://paste.kde.org/452966/
[16:58] <rbelem> the pkg is uploaded to kubuntu active ppa
[17:01] <ScottK> rbelem: No.  I don't know about that.  Maybe shadeslayer or debfx could help?
[17:13] <rbelem> and here is the patch http://paste.kde.org/452996/
[17:14] <BarkingFish> Right, so I'm up and working on the right kernel now, I have ndiswrapper, which is slightly borked but reported, and all the world is good. At least for now anyway :)
[17:18] <ybit> BarkingFish: firefox isn't gone, it's just no longer supported in kde for kubuntu or something like that
[17:18] <ybit> i was wondering if someone could clarify why
[17:18] <BarkingFish> Well I hope someone can :)  Firefox is the only decent browser out there, considering rekonq fails so badly on a lot of stuff :(
[17:18] <ybit> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA3MjI and http://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/r3ntv/kubuntu_1204_to_drop_kde_support_for_firefox/
[17:19] <ybit> phoronix wasn't loading previously
[17:20] <ybit> so.. ignore question :)
[17:22] <BarkingFish> So is it still available in the repos, ybit, or has it *gone*, gone.
[17:22] <BarkingFish> ?
[17:23] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish,  just did a 12.04 clean insytall and the FF installer is still in th ekmenu , but I haven't run it yet
[17:24] <BarkingFish> thank god for that
[17:24] <BarkingFish> I'd be prepared to compile it from source just to have a decent browser
[17:24] <ybit> BarkingFish: i'm not sure, right now, i'm on opensuse, and all my VMs are sitting beside me on an external not being used
[17:27] <rbelem> ScottK, Riddell, i'm getting the same error without kwinactive patch
[17:28] <rbelem> i'm only adding -DKWIN_PLASMA_ACTIVE=true as build parameter
[17:28] <ScottK> All that was done is the KDE integration patch for Firefox was dropped.
[17:28] <ScottK> Firefox is still around.
[17:28] <BarkingFish> excellent
[17:29] <BarkingFish> so we'll still be getting updates for it as and when they become available
[17:30]  * rbelem disables all patches
[17:31] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish,I prefe chromium , but FF seems ok on 12.04 , since it's LTS I imagine the community will keep FF upgraded and up to date as much as possible.
[17:33] <BarkingFish> chromium never worked properly for me as a browser, BluesKaj - even when you told it to become your default browser, it didn't, and it kept crashing pretty much constantly, especially when trying to use Youtube.  Nightmare :P
[17:35] <BluesKaj> hmm BarkingFish , that's odd ..I haven't seen that , stability is one of it's pluses IME
[17:38] <rbelem> Riddell, ScottK, no patches and same build failure
[17:39] <rbelem> time to ping martin
[17:39] <rbelem> kwinactive is broken upstream
[17:41]  * rbelem runs to fix other kubuntu active bugs
[17:53] <swecarp> anny 1 here that are looking att the pakage of Digikam
[18:23] <yofel> ScottK: thanks for clearing the uploads up, I'll put a notice about that in the changelog next time
[18:24] <ScottK> yofel: You're welcome.
[18:36] <rbelem> ScottK, can i close a bug?
[18:36] <rbelem> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-active-meta/+bug/956184
[18:37] <rbelem> the package with the fix is in archive already
[20:30] <ScottK> rbelem: Yes.
[20:34] <Peace-> rbelem:
[20:34] <Peace-> echo `net usershare info`
[20:34] <Peace-> [Video] path=/home/nowardev2/Video comment= usershare_acl=Everyone:R, guest_ok=y
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> snele: yeah, you'll have to upgrade the kdepim-related packages manually via apt-get
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> there's a problem marking them for upgrade which qapt incorrectly reports as a locking error
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> The marking problem is a separate issue, but the fix is a bit invasive and I wouldn't feel comfortable backporting it to 1.3.x
[21:01] <Peace-> rbelem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5sW2Xr7f5Q&feature=youtu.be
[22:15] <BarkingFish> Riddell, sorry to bother you, is this right what a user is telling me in #kubuntu - that Canonical are withdrawing support for KDE after 12.04?
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> BarkingFish: commercial support. they will stop selling technical support contracts for kubuntu after 12.04
[23:52] <rbelem> Riddell, ScottK, i fixed the kwin active build failure :-D