[01:28] <cyberanger> netritious: well, once I boot, I could check if the MBR != /dev/zero
[01:29] <cyberanger> and if I cannot decrypt the drive (esp if the dm-crypt header was modified) that would also tell me
[01:30] <cyberanger> the firmware issue, how would I check on something that low level
[01:36] <cyberanger> your right that it's no really as clear as checksums against the mbr or /boot
[01:36] <cyberanger> but it also doesn't slow my boot time beyond decrypting the drive
[02:03] <cyberanger> netritious: glad to see you around again, most the time I get less then halfway in that and the other person just says I'm paranoid
[02:04] <cyberanger> (which ok, I am, but reasonably so)
[02:05] <cyberanger> your one of the few that not only hears me out, but also thinks along the same lines
[02:08] <Unit193> I've thought about encrypting the netbook, and using TC more in general, but 1. I just don't have anything of interest really.  2. Partly #1, and partly that things to slow the netbook down wouldn't be a good thing.
[02:16] <cyberanger> plus the typical issue, you have ten fingers and one password, I have a cigar cutter and only want the password, how many fingers do you need?
[08:15] <netritious> cyberanger: you are paranoid, but that's ok. Noone is perfect :)
[08:18] <cyberanger> a healthy dose of paranoia...
[08:19] <netritious> I think paranoia is a requirement if you use encryption at all lol
[08:26] <netritious> just ran an apt-get update and I see libdrm2 and a bunch of [intel|radeon|nouveau]drm* packages
[08:27] <netritious> precise x64
[08:29] <netritious> why the heck do I need drm /anything/ on my server?
[08:38] <cyberanger> you know that's not Digital Restrictions Management, right
[08:38] <cyberanger> and are we talking ubuntu?
[08:42] <cyberanger> and my beowulf cluster is down...grrr
[08:50] <netritious> ah yep, jumped the gun...drm in this case != Digitial Rights Management
[08:50] <netritious> according to apt-cache show...
[08:50] <netritious> DRM stands for "Direct Rendering Manager", which is the kernelspace portion of the "Direct Rendering Infrastructure" (DRI). The DRI is currently used on Linux to provide hardware-accelerated OpenGL drivers.
[08:51] <cyberanger> which still means why does your server need them
[08:52] <Unit193> Yeeeeep.
[08:54] <netritious> Unit193 said it best
[08:54] <Unit193> Hah. ;P
[08:56] <netritious> Unit193: you mentioned TC earlier for your netbook... have you read this? http://istruecryptauditedyet.com/
[09:00] <cyberanger> I think one of us passed that to the other
[09:00] <cyberanger> cannot wait for that
[09:01] <Unit193> netritious: I hadn't technically, but I linked to the Ars article on it.
[09:01] <Unit193> Now I did, thanks.
[09:02] <netritious> cyberanger: you have pics up of your cluster?
[09:02] <netritious> np Unit193
[09:02] <Unit193> netritious: Not that it helps, but on most computers I'm using a package I built from source.
[09:04] <cyberanger> netritious: no, just 4 old laptops and one old desktop
[09:04] <cyberanger> with cat6 strung about
[09:06] <Unit193> I do too would like to see that happen, but I may be more trusting of how it is currently.
[09:07] <cyberanger> nothing worth a picture yet
[09:07] <cyberanger> when I get the rackmount servers in and repeat it with that, there'll be some photos
[09:07] <netritious> cyberanger: do you have any services clustered or running MPI? openstack maybe? :)
[09:10] <cyberanger> running MPI, which appears to be what caused the crash
[09:10] <cyberanger> more accurately, it appears that one of the hubs locked up
[09:11] <netritious> hub? as in, not a switch?
[09:13] <cyberanger> well, not an intelligent switch, just something consumer
[09:13] <cyberanger> I have been working along the lines of the kentucky linux athlon testbed
[09:19] <Unit193> netritious: I do actually have a few things that aren't critical in tc containers in Dropbox. :P
[09:19] <Unit193> Irony.
[09:21] <netritious> Unit193: have you considered PGP?
[09:22] <Unit193> Not recently.
[09:22] <Unit193> (other than what I normally use it for.)
[09:23] <netritious> Unit193: email?
[09:24] <Unit193> Package signing, actually.
[09:25] <netritious> cool Unit193
[09:26] <Unit193> 2048, made it in 2011. :/
[09:28] <Unit193> netritious: Pretty sure you win in this area though, encryption. :)
[09:30] <netritious> I like cryptography like some people like crack. <-- See? I used "like" 3x. :)
[09:31] <netritious> or chocolate.
[09:31] <Unit193> I'm sure you saw cryptsetup got tc support?
[09:31] <netritious> more like chocolate actually.
[09:31] <netritious> Yes! I did see that...very cool indeed.
[09:32] <netritious> have you tried it yet? mounting a TC container?
[09:34] <Unit193> No, I'm on Ubuntu generally, but actually my Debian testing host... Good idea. :P
[09:41] <netritious> So I asked myself what would I do if I was asked to reveal the contents of my drives to some govt authority, and whether civil disobedience is good for my family unit.
[09:44] <Unit193> (Yes it works.)  What'd you decide?
[09:45] <netritious> that's cool Unit193...good to know, and I haven't yet.
[09:46] <Unit193> Well, I generally go back to "Is there really anything I want to hide?"  and it just leads to "Not really, but they shouldn't be able to do that either."
[09:46] <Unit193> netritious: Heard of tcplay?
[09:48] <netritious> See that's the thing...in the end, if you actually have nothing to hide, you end up just being an activist, which is fine and all, but at what cost? Realistic, immediate consequences.
[09:48] <netritious> hm, rings a bell Unit193
[09:49] <netritious> ah that's why...it's the TC implementation for dm-crypt
[09:50] <Unit193> Yes, not using truecrypt itself, just the spec, so should be compatible but it just doesn't have all the features.
[09:50] <netritious> like everything that's ported, at least at first.
[09:51] <Unit193> netritious: But yes, thanks for reminding me that I should actually try cryptsetup, and that I have a box capable of it. >_<
[09:51] <netritious> np Unit193
[09:52] <Unit193> And here's one you won't like, pretty sure that's the first time I actually used cryptsetup, at least manually. :P
[09:52] <Unit193> Now, Trusty Thar better pull it in, because I want it.
[09:53] <netritious> i didn't know much about it until I wanted to remotely unlock encrypted / via ssh
[09:53] <cyberanger> netritious: see, that's the thing, my case I have no major family concern, and the data is protectinga sensitive correspondence
[09:53] <Unit193> I like Truecrypt, but considering cryptsetup, having that capability default would be nice.
[09:54] <cyberanger> so it's the invere, it's gotta hold
[09:59] <netritious> cyberanger: If you can resist, resist. Not sure I would or even care to try...completely undecided.
[09:59] <netritious> I'd ask my wife lol
[10:01] <Unit193> Ahaha!  That's not a stereotype at all. :P
[10:01] <Unit193> Anythoughts on LXQT?
[10:01] <Unit193> ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1239970 )
[10:02] <cyberanger> I don't know that I could, but I understand I'd need to try
[10:02] <Unit193> I'm pretty sure I couldn't, unless I forgot it.  Hit hard enough and it's pretty simple.
[10:06] <netritious> Unit193: what is LXQT? just glancing at google I'd gues LXDE written in QT?
[10:06] <Unit193> netritious: Yes, they are moving from GTK2 to Qt rather than GTK3.
[10:06] <netritious> oh wow...more fargmentation over gnome 3
[10:07] <netritious> that came out sarcastic, but I am wow'ed by all the fragmentation all over gnome 3
[10:08] <netritious> it's been happening for some time now but I thought everyone would be over it by now.
[10:09] <netritious> and isn't QT commercial? how would an open source developer download edit and compile changes if no free access to QT build tools?
[10:11] <netritious> or is there free access to QT build tools now? Or has there always been and I'm just confused? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
[10:12] <Unit193> GTK and Gnome haven't really been "acting like open source software", GTK3.10 will be dropping something Gnome doesn't use anymore, which may render the Xfce application menu without icons...
[10:12] <Unit193> (For example.)
[10:12] <Unit193> The "G" in GTK seems to stand for "Gnome" now. ;P
[10:13] <Unit193> Wireshark is moving too actually.
[10:15] <netritious> I'm trying to remember if you can use QT for open source projects with out paying license fees...that has to be the case.
[10:18] <Unit193> Oh I'm sure it is.
[10:22] <wrst> netritious: it is
[10:22] <wrst> Unit193: I know openlp uses at and they have no money :-)
[10:23] <wrst> *qt
[10:23] <Unit193> Reminded me to check out SqliteStudio, they're going from TCL/TK to C++/Qt iirc, great move.
[10:23] <Unit193> wrst: As others.
[10:24] <wrst> Unit193: as others have no money?
[10:24] <wrst> :-)
[10:24] <Unit193> That are Qt, yep.
[10:24] <Unit193> Qt is pretty open, and quassel blogged about how backwards compatible Qt5 is to Qt4.
[10:24] <wrst> Unit193: you really never sleep
[10:25] <Unit193> Heeeey, I have to sometime.
[10:25] <Unit193> netritious: But yes, glad you're back, been interesting for sure.  Hopefully not too bad on your end. ;)
[10:28] <wrst> goodness no one in here sleeps at night
[10:30] <netritious> good morning wrst
[10:30] <netritious> company here isn't so bad Unit193 ;)
[10:31] <wrst> morning netritious
[10:31] <wrst> and I agree with you on Unit193  just don't tell him I said it
[10:37] <netritious> lol
[10:38] <Unit193> Heh, one of the odd times I'm not kind of trying to stay out of here. :D
[10:39] <wrst> oh no
[10:39] <wrst> :-)
[12:12] <cyberanger> wrst: I slept, for like three hours
[12:12] <wrst> cyberanger: congrats :)
[12:13] <cyberanger> some of us do sleep, just not much
[12:13] <cyberanger> besides, sleeptyping is a thing, right?
[12:16] <netritious> http://youtu.be/i_r3z1jYHAc
[12:26]  * wrst does happy dance, crashplan on freenas!
[13:58] <wrst> Unit193: I think I'm about to try out ubuntu touch
[13:59] <tenc> Good morning wrst, Unit193, twayneprice, cyberanger, netritious.
[14:00] <wrst> howdy tenc
[14:00] <tenc> Ooo, neat wrst! On what hardware?
[14:00] <wrst> nexus 7
[14:00] <wrst> just got it yesterday, might as well...
[14:00] <tenc> Awesome.
[14:00] <tenc> Definitely.
[14:03] <cyberanger> morning tenc
[14:03] <cyberanger> snowing here
[14:05] <tenc> Nice! Send some of that my way.
[14:10] <cyberanger> actually, on reflection, it's ice pellets (better know as sleet)
[14:10] <cyberanger> but it's a very wet sleet, very close to snow
[14:12] <wrst> we had a flurry or two yesterday tenc
[14:12] <cyberanger> http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=PAZ001
[14:16] <wrst> hmm this install is just like ubuntu... slow
[14:17] <tenc> Hah!
[14:18] <tenc> We never get interesting weather down here in the valley. I guess that's just valley life.
[14:18] <wrst> no interesting weather is not necessarily a bad thing
[14:19] <cyberanger> tenc: what valley?
[14:21] <tenc> Technically a ridge I guess. Anderson county. Do the valleys have names aside from being part of the TN river watershed? I'm relatively new to the state.
[14:21] <wrst> this is really not bad....
[14:22] <tenc> Past installation finally, wrst?
[14:23] <wrst> yes i really like the keyboard
[14:25] <cyberanger> tenc: might depend on the valley somewhat
[14:25] <cyberanger> take lookout valley and lookout mountain as examples, near chattanooga
[14:26] <cyberanger> but that's more like a town in the valley and on the mountain
[14:26] <cyberanger> are you more oak ridge or clinton
[14:27] <cyberanger> or near any of the state parks in the county
[14:27] <cyberanger> odds are you'll see something this year, unless your in the oak ridge area
[14:27] <cyberanger> and even then you could
[14:32] <wrst> ok this is pretty cool: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6srvj8fu5vonovm/2013-10-24%2009.31.01.jpg
[14:36] <tenc> Hah! That keyboard isn't too cramped?
[14:36] <wrst> no its perfect, the keyboard is likely too spread out in landscape
[14:37] <wrst> landscape doesn't seem to work so that isn't a problem :)

[14:50] <wrst> but I must say the design is nice... if it was optimized, and complete with apps...
[19:59] <Unit193> Heh, we be getting a little snow now. :P
[20:03] <wrst> awesome Unit193!
[20:05] <Unit193> Maybe we should turn on the heat soon...
[20:05] <wrst> might be a good idea :)
[20:05] <Unit193> But have to wait until November!
[20:05] <wrst> or lots of blankets
[20:05] <wrst> why must you wait?
[20:05] <wrst> I'm giving ubuntu touch one last try today
[20:06] <Unit193> Because it's a game, you have to wait the longest, or make it into November at least.  Oh?  Have fun?
[20:06] <wrst> it looks nice
[20:06] <wrst> it operates like a turd
[20:06] <wrst> :)
[20:06] <wrst> actually it isn't terrible you just can't do anything with it really
[20:06] <Unit193> Hah, tell that to popey!
[20:07] <wrst> going to try to install quasselclient and see what mayhem that causes, or if its using those repos who knows
[20:08] <Unit193> Quassel is outdated in Debian unstable, and 0.9.1 fixed an incompatibility with Qt and the postgresql!
[20:09] <wrst> the no bootsplash and the screen being totally off is really reassuring however
[20:10] <wrst> I like the slide in from the edges stuff
[20:17] <wrst> well Unit193 Im installing about 300MB of depens....
[20:17] <Unit193> wrst: You installing quassel-client-qt4?
[20:18] <wrst> quassel-client
[20:18] <wrst> which one should I have installed?
[20:18] <wrst> it doesn't really matter I have the previous install backed up
[20:18] <Unit193> -qt4
[20:18] <wrst> well I don't have the ability to get the keyboard back up
[20:19] <wrst> I'm curious if it will add an icon if it will work
[20:19] <Unit193> Depends: kde-runtime  is part of the other one, which will pull in a lot more.
[20:20] <wrst> oh well
[20:28] <wrst> well I'm halfway there they need special keys for the terminal
[20:29] <wrst> oh cool they do!
[20:39] <wrst> Unit193: "cannot connect to xserver" ha ha I should have known that!
[20:39] <Unit193> Isn't it running Mir/XMir?
[20:41] <wrst> beats me
[20:41] <wrst> I have wasted enough time :)
[20:41] <wrst> reflashing android
[20:42] <wrst> I tried starging from terminal and probably something you need to do to get it to work with xmir


[13:08] <shadeslayer> anyone who's familiar with the Nexus 10 kernel?
[13:34] <apw> not sure we have one yet
[14:00] <shadeslayer> apw: uh I meant the one from Google :)
[14:00]  * shadeslayer is trying to understand how the framebuffer stuff works on the N10 and why X starts but displays nothing
[14:15] <brendand> apw, is bjf around this week?
[14:19] <bjf> brendand, ?
[14:19] <brendand> bjf, hey. was just wondering if there's any planned change in the cadence for vUDS week?
[14:20] <bjf> brendand, when do you think vUDS is? :-)
[14:21] <brendand> bjf, it's the 14th to the 16th
[14:21] <brendand> bjf, are you getting kernels prepared for the end of this week? this is meant to be prep week isn't it? or is it getting shifted because of the regression?
[14:22] <bjf> brendand, the "plan" _was_ to prep kernels this week. however the network here has been non-optimal for getting work done
[14:23] <bjf> brendand, so i am contemplating delaying a week
[14:23] <bjf> brendand, do you have an opinion?
[14:23] <brendand> bjf, fair enough. so uds week will be regression testing week
[14:23] <brendand> bjf, err i mean verification week
[14:24] <brendand> bjf, we're absolutely fine with that. we'd prefer to be able to participate in UDS without distraction
[14:26] <bjf> brendand, unless you hear differently from me, we'll start the next cycle next week
[14:26] <bjf> brendand, so, regression testing should be the week after vUDS
[14:27] <brendand> bjf, ok
[16:12] <RAOF> apw: https://launchpad.net/~mir-team/+archive/staging
[16:14] <RAOF> apw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5623107/
[16:38] <infinity> apw: Since Tim is allergic to IRC, want to point and laugh at him for pointlessly doing s/raring/raring-proposed/ on those uploads?  (Accepted anyway, they look otherwise fine).
[16:43] <apw> infinity, :) will pass on your sneer :)
[18:14] <zedtux> Hello all. I have opened the issue in launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/929715 but this issue isn't solved yet.
[18:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 929715 in linux (Ubuntu) "netfilter_ipv4.h:13:47: fatal error: limits.h: No such file or directory" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:15] <zedtux> Could you please tell me why or when it could be fixed ?
[18:15] <zedtux> This issue is due to an include in the netfilter_ipv4.h of limits.h
[18:16] <zedtux> but that file doesn't exist and remove that include work perfectly.
[18:54] <zedtux> Any one for my launchpad issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/929715 ?
[18:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 929715 in linux (Ubuntu) "netfilter_ipv4.h:13:47: fatal error: limits.h: No such file or directory" [Medium,Confirmed]
[19:08] <jpds> zedtux: You sure you have the libc6-dev package installed?
[19:09] <zedtux> jpds, Yes I've just checked
[19:09] <zedtux> version 2.17-0ubuntu5
[19:10] <jpds> zedtux: Then, there's something wrong with your module.
[19:10] <zedtux> jpds, that's possible ;_(
[19:11] <jpds> zedtux: /usr/src/linux-headers-*/include/linux/netfilter_ipv4.h clearly states: #include <limits.h> /* for INT_MIN, INT_MAX */
[19:11] <jpds> zedtux: And those are defined in /usr/include/limits.h, not /usr/include/linux/limits.h
[19:16] <zedtux> I can try to take a very simple example of a netfilter kernel module and try to compile it
[19:16] <zedtux> jpds, but as far as I remember I had this issue since the beginning.
[19:17] <jpds> Then, you're going to have to provide code examples on the bug in a tarball or something.
[19:17] <zedtux> jpds, Alright I will.
[19:17] <zedtux> jpds, Do I have to post over here when done or in the launchpad issue ?
[19:18] <jpds> Launchpad.
[19:18] <zedtux> jpds, ok thank you.
[19:19] <zedtux> jpds, Do you where I can ask questions on kernel module development (related to /proc filesystem)?
[19:21] <jpds> zedtux: http://kernelnewbies.org/IRC
[19:22] <zedtux> jpds, Thank you (I'm already on that channel... but only 2 persons and nobody replied until now.)
[23:06] <apw> ppisati, did we sort out the patch to drop from grouper ?