[06:31] <Kilos> morning all
[06:36] <Kilos> sorry. testing if sound works in xchat
[06:36] <Kilos> hi superfly psydroid
[06:49] <theblazehen> hey Kilos
[06:49] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[07:20] <soundsearcher> Maaz_, morning
[07:20] <Maaz_> Hello soundsearcher
[07:26] <soundsearcher> hi Golynx you still winning with xubuntu
[07:28] <Golynx> hi soundsearcher. Yeah i am settled now with xubuntu, its better than unity and more productive :)
[07:28] <soundsearcher> haha
[07:30] <Golynx> When i get a more powerfull pc, i will do ubuntu unity 14.04
[07:30] <soundsearcher> im also hoping to try that
[07:33] <Golynx> wb Kilos
[07:34] <Golynx> had a feeling something not right these :p
[07:34] <Kilos> pity you started so late with ubuntu Golynx 10.10 would have been ideal for you
[07:34] <Kilos> ty
[07:34] <Golynx> why 10.10
[07:35] <Kilos> that used gnome2 before unity hit the scene
[07:36] <Golynx> oh
[07:36] <Kilos> worked great on old machines
[07:36] <Golynx> not sure if drivers would work there
[07:37] <Golynx> else i would have to manually do everything
[07:37] <Kilos> it was better than xubuntu imo
[07:38] <Golynx> ohk
[07:39] <Golynx> aslong as i'm able to use the OS without so many hardware issues i am fine with it
[07:40] <Kilos> no choice now with support dropping off you gotta go with the flow
[07:40] <Golynx> ya true
[07:41] <Kilos> i got a new m/board here and xchat dont have sound hence soundsearcher
[07:42] <Golynx> oh ok
[07:43] <Golynx> last  night you asked about the dogs hearing frequency, that is 30 - 50 khz
[07:47] <Kilos> ah ty and the mossies one is close to that?
[07:49] <Golynx> i think its from 10khz to 25khz
[07:50] <Kilos> cool ill try them all
[07:51] <Golynx> hope you get it right :)
[07:51] <Kilos> haha me too ty
[07:51] <Golynx> yw
[07:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> hello peeps
[08:00] <theblazehen> hey ThatGraemeGuy
[08:01] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy wassup its saterday
[08:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm on call and some stuff is acting up
[08:01] <Golynx> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:01] <Golynx> hi theblazehen
[08:01] <Kilos> eish
[08:02] <theblazehen> hi Golynx
[08:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[08:05] <Kilos> wbb going to konversation
[09:32] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:32] <inetpro> Kilos: so have you built your mozzi killer yet?
[09:32] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[09:33] <Kilos> its all software inetpro , just gotta find the right frequency for them
[09:33] <Kilos> but first 2 find some mozzi's\
[09:33] <Kilos> haha
[09:33] <inetpro> how far can a frequency travel?
[09:34] <Kilos> depends i suppose on how high you turn your volume control
[09:34] <Kilos> and its very low so dont need line of site like wifi
[09:35] <inetpro> how do you measure the volume if you can't hear it?
[09:36] <Kilos> you use a diffirent frequency in the audio range first
[09:36] <Kilos> different
[09:37] <Kilos> i just listen to bloep here on konversation
[09:37] <Kilos> otherwise you screw volume up and it bloeps you off the chair
[09:39] <inetpro> I'm just thinking about the sound of the mozzi, surely it doesn't travel very far
[09:39] <Kilos> you mean from the generator or from a mozzi itself?
[09:40] <inetpro> from the mozzi itself
[09:40] <Kilos> oh normally only in one room
[09:40] <Kilos> you never heard them buzzing around when you in bed
[09:41] <inetpro> only right by my ear
[09:41] <Kilos> haha
[09:41] <Kilos> before you klap yourself
[09:42] <inetpro> exactly
[09:42] <Kilos> rofl
[09:46] <Kilos> if one can pinpoint the correct frequency it should keep them out of the whole house
[09:46] <inetpro> this whole issue of loudness vs frequency confuses me
[09:47] <Kilos> its like a radio
[09:47] <Kilos> loudness is controlled by the volume
[09:47] <Kilos> frequency is controlled by the genny
[09:48] <Kilos> get it and scroll up and listen to the frequency change
[09:48] <inetpro> so the frequency does not fade away with distance?
[09:48] <Kilos> runs with a java command
[09:48] <Kilos> nope it just goes out of your own hearing range
[09:49] <Kilos> http://www.lsu.edu/deafness/HearingRange.html
[09:50] <Kilos> like bats use a sonar kinda frequency to tell them if there is something in front of them but we cant hear it
[09:52] <inetpro> goes right over my head
[09:52] <Kilos> get the gen and listen
[09:52] <inetpro> what gen?
[09:53] <Kilos>  google JSigGen
[09:53] <Kilos> ai
[09:53] <Kilos> http://arachnoid.com/JSigGen/
[09:54] <inetpro> ai!
[09:54] <Kilos> what now?
[09:54] <inetpro> need aplugin to run that
[09:54] <Kilos> acroread
[09:55] <inetpro> jre yuck!
[09:55] <Kilos> in the repos
[09:55] <Kilos> just some java stuff man
[09:55] <Kilos> the earlier versions are python code
[09:56] <Kilos> read the info and you can tick on earlier versions
[09:58] <Kilos> its like humming. start low tone then go up and up till you are squeeling
[09:58] <Kilos> those are all different frequencies
[10:00]  * inetpro installed icedtea6-plugin
[10:01] <inetpro> working now
[10:01] <inetpro> now what I do?
[10:01] <Kilos> ok its default is 400hz i think
[10:01] <Kilos> you hear it?
[10:02] <Kilos> put your pointer in that block and scroll
[10:02] <inetpro> what block?
[10:02] <Kilos> with 400 in
[10:02] <Kilos> tiny block
[10:03] <Kilos> make the thing full screen till you know whats up
[10:07] <Kilos> are you winning
[10:07] <Kilos> inetpro ?
[10:07] <inetpro> you mean scroll the frequency?
[10:09] <Kilos> yeah scroll mouse wheel and frequency chaanges
[10:10] <Kilos> and you should hear the tone going up
[10:10] <inetpro> signal frequency
[10:10] <inetpro> what is Modul?
[10:10] <Kilos> ya
[10:10] <Kilos> modulate
[10:10] <Kilos> add some modulation
[10:11] <Kilos> can you hear anything man?
[10:11] <inetpro> yep
[10:11] <Kilos> yay
[10:11] <inetpro> works perfactly
[10:11] <Kilos> ya its a well written app methinks
[10:15] <inetpro> so can I generate white noise with this thing?
[10:15] <Kilos> ya at the bottom i think
[10:15] <inetpro> to kill the office airconditioner noise
[10:15] <Kilos> lol
[10:16] <Kilos> it can generate all kinds of funny waveforms
[10:16] <inetpro> you are laughing, that noise is killing me slowly man
[10:16] <Kilos> aircon noise killing you?
[10:17]  * inetpro loves the quietness when the aircon is switched off
[10:17] <Kilos> complain and they can get a better quality one
[10:17] <inetpro> but unfortunately gets hot too quickly so rather keep it on
[10:18] <inetpro> I actually meassured it some time ago but forget the db levels
[10:18] <Kilos> complain and tell them you need a phsyc evaluation so they can see the damage its doing to you
[10:19] <Kilos> have you got up to the squeeling frequency yet?
[10:19] <inetpro> it probably not that bad but the levels were quite high
[10:19] <inetpro> don't want to break my speaker
[10:20] <inetpro> s/break/kill/
[10:20] <Kilos> keep going up you will get to a place where you feel the sound more than hear it
[10:20] <Kilos> no man ive run all the way and speakers fine
[10:20] <Kilos> its only waves going through the speaker at different speeds
[10:21] <inetpro> eish!
[10:22] <inetpro> it hurts man
[10:22] <Kilos> lol
[10:22] <Kilos> go past there
[10:23] <Kilos> now to find the right one that hurts mosquitoes
[10:25] <Kilos> inetpro go look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMS44ptNP3g and tell me what they say
[10:25] <inetpro> no ways
[10:26] <Kilos> there is also a droid thing looks like
[10:26] <Kilos> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.picobrothers.am&hl=en
[10:26] <inetpro> no more bw available
[10:26] <Kilos> ai!
[10:27] <inetpro> my kids are killing me this month
[10:27] <Kilos> ai!
[10:27] <Kilos> same as that sound hurt you, theoretically there must be sounds that can hurt any living thing
[10:28]  * inetpro needs a proxy at home to set bw limits
[10:29] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:30] <inetpro> it's easy to manage when you're alone
[10:31] <Kilos> yeah
[10:32] <Kilos> how do i get konversation to keep colours in old scroll backs
[10:32] <Kilos> thats the main thing xchat does better
[10:35] <Kilos> Most devices use a range of frequency between 16 and 20 KHz in order to disturb insects; the efficacy though depends on the type of sound (ultrasonic, etc) used which can be achieved with special equipment, usually professional ones.
[10:39] <charl> good morning
[10:39] <charl> Maaz_: coffee on
[10:39]  * Maaz_ puts the kettle on
[10:40] <Kilos> so inetpro catch some mozzies inna bottle and type in 16000 there by signal and scroll up till they fall over
[10:40] <Kilos> hi charl
[10:40] <Kilos> Maaz_ coffee please
[10:40] <Maaz_> Kilos: Sure
[10:40] <inetpro> ai! :)
[10:40] <Kilos> lol
[10:40] <inetpro> poor mozzies
[10:40] <charl> hi Kilos
[10:40] <charl> hi inetpro
[10:40] <inetpro> hi charl
[10:41] <Kilos> they are serious disease carriers
[10:41] <Kilos> ive had malaria twice
[10:41]  * inetpro will ask the kids to catch some
[10:41] <Kilos> thats the way
[10:43] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[10:43] <charl> Maaz_: thanks
[10:43] <Maaz_> charl: Sure
[10:44] <inetpro> Kilos:  What is the proper frequency to repell mosquito? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080615201146AAKRUF0
[10:44] <inetpro> seems like a lost cause
[10:46] <inetpro> High Frequency Sounds do NOT repel mosquitoes
[10:46] <inetpro> Kilos: see also http://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/2056/are-mosquitoes-repelled-by-high-frequency-sound
[10:50] <Kilos> there are lots of pros and cons for the arguement but logic says that one frequency will hurt them same as that sound hurt you
[10:51] <Kilos> and if something hurts you you stay away right?
[10:53] <inetpro> but maybe they just don't hear it above a certain Hz just like us
[10:54] <Kilos> if you get the right one it will rattle their cages
[10:54] <Kilos> i had a design link somewhere
[10:55] <Kilos> http://psrcentre.org/images/extraimages/512653.pdf
[10:55] <Kilos> haha it also want java stuff
[12:16] <Private_User> Good day all
[12:16] <charl> hi Private_User
[12:17] <charl> phew in #ubuntu you can't even say anything or you get jumped on
[12:17] <charl> and then they call it a "friendly" channel
[12:17] <Private_User> does anybody else here use Thunderbird as their email client? I would like to know what the average memory usage should be?
[12:18] <Private_User> hi charl
[12:18] <charl> hahahaha
[12:19] <Private_User> what did you say there charl? I have seen that as well
[12:20] <charl> i didn't, somebody just said something about "wtf is in a log" and then got jumped on
[12:21] <charl> the next guy asked something about what the best of something is and got jumped on
[12:22] <Private_User> yeah and sometimes you would sometimes be speaking about Ubuntu and they would tell you you going off topic and I also found that some of the people helping there are very arrogant i.e. one would ask a question and they may receive a reponse like if you do not know a simple thing of whatever do you think you should be the one setting up or even using ubuntu server...
[12:24] <Private_User> I once had a query about ubuntu there and I got told I was going off topic but I know it was not a support query but stiff it was my first time there on the channel
[12:24] <Private_User> *still
[12:24] <Private_User> lol
[12:24] <Private_User> I wonder how that happened *stiff instead of *still
[12:26] <charl> i don't need to know :P
[12:26] <charl> lol
[12:26] <charl> but yeah it's just general rudeness in that channel
[12:26] <charl> people's responses and also those automated bot responses come across as very rude
[12:27] <charl> in response to people asking totally legitimate and normal questions
[12:27] <charl> and to jump on people for saying "wtf" these days is just childish
[12:27] <charl> i'm not saying you shouldn't keep your language in check but seriously, this is irc
[13:08] <theblaze_telnet> I'm connected with telnet!
[13:09] <theblazehen> theblaze_telnet, ok
[13:24] <smile> hi :p
[13:35] <charl> hi smile
[13:35] <charl> theblazehen: you manually connected with telnet to irc? by manually using the irc protocol?
[13:35] <theblazehen> charl, yep
[13:36] <charl> smile: how's the weather in belgium, here's its windy
[13:36] <smile> charl: windy, yesterday it was rainy too :)
[13:36] <charl> yes same here
[13:37] <charl> i live on the third floor and i hear the wind good
[13:38] <charl> smile: i see the videos of fosdem have now been posted, looking forward to watching some of them
[13:40] <psydroid> hi smile
[13:40] <psydroid> hi charl
[13:40] <psydroid> hi theblazehen
[13:40] <psydroid> hi Private_User
[13:40] <smile> charl: oh yes, yesterday was storm :D
[13:40] <theblazehen> hey psydroid
[13:40] <smile> hi psydroid
[13:40] <smile> charl: great :)
[13:40] <theblaze_telnet> telnet sucks..
[13:41] <charl> hi psydroid
[13:41] <charl> smile: i am having a problem though, i can not hear anything
[13:41] <charl> smile: it seems like the audio codec or something doesn't want to play in vlc
[13:41] <charl> smile: or in firefox for that matter
[13:41] <charl> for example, in this video http://ftp.belnet.be/FOSDEM/2014/K1105/Saturday/Postfix_open_source_mail_server_lessons_learned_and_recent_developments.webm
[13:42] <psydroid> I just read what was said above about #ubuntu, I don't think it's good for people to deal with (mostly) novices like that
[13:42] <charl> i just asked in #fosdem, i hope they have some answers
[13:42] <charl> psydroid: it's not just about that, it's just general rudeness
[13:42] <charl> psydroid: the people in that channel are arrogant and useless with helping people
[13:42] <Kilos> what did i miss?
[13:42] <psydroid> charl, I've come across that too on IRC and I don't know why they think they can get away with that kind of behaviour
[13:43] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[13:43] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[13:43] <Kilos> stupid modem
[13:43] <charl> psydroid: you would expect it on some networks like efnet and ircnet and more "geeky" communities
[13:43] <psydroid> charl, I know Linux inside out (even kernel code) and have worked with many distributions, but I still try to help people whenever I can
[13:43] <charl> psydroid: but for an official help channel like #ubuntu on freenode it's completely uncalled for, indeed
[13:44] <charl> psydroid: yes same here, been using linux for like 15 years and i still enjoy helping people
[13:44] <smile> charl: can't hear it either in Firefox :p
[13:44] <charl> smile: yeah i think they screwed something up
[13:45] <charl> one of the people just responded and said the videos aren't fully ready yet
[13:46] <smile> charl: I see :p
[13:46] <smile> because on Windows, the video's dont work either (just tested)
[13:46] <charl> lol
[13:48] <psydroid> haha
[13:48] <psydroid> but wasn't Fosdem like two weeks ago?
[13:48] <charl> yes
[13:48] <charl> maybe i am too quick :)
[13:49] <psydroid> yeah, you'd better wait for another year until Fosdem 2015 :D
[13:49] <charl> yes lol
[13:49] <psydroid> btw, I am going to be attending more and more of these conferences in the near future
[13:49] <charl> yes i didn't know about fosdem until it was too late
[13:49] <charl> next year we want to go with a group from work
[13:49] <psydroid> one of the nice things of being here in Poland is that there are also a lot of developer conferences in this region
[13:50] <psydroid> things about*
[13:50] <psydroid> oh, if I am around at that time it would be great if I could go too
[13:50] <charl> this was the other one: http://cfgmgmtcamp.eu/
[13:51] <charl> but there are a lot of these events around, i don't bother to go to most of them though
[13:51] <psydroid> I would only go to the most important ones, where you can actually learn something about interesting projects
[13:53] <charl> if there are any good non-polish-language conferences please tell me
[13:53] <charl> i've never been to poland but i would like to try it once
[13:53] <psydroid> I think these conferences are generally in English, but I'm not sure
[13:53] <charl> it's just quite a distance from here because i have to go through whole of germany to get to poland :P
[13:54] <psydroid> hahaha
[13:54] <psydroid> you can fly from Eindhoven to all big cities
[13:54] <psydroid> http://www.wizzair.com
[13:55] <psydroid> except for Poznań, that is ...
[13:56] <charl> hmmmm
[13:57] <charl> for me i would do better by going to dortmund first
[13:57] <charl> and then flying from dortmund
[13:58] <psydroid> oh, that's also a good choice indeed
[13:58] <charl> ooh this is cheap
[13:59] <charl> very good, thanks for the tip
[13:59] <psydroid> you're welcome
[14:30] <theblazehen> sudo apt-get install sl -y && sl
[14:30] <theblazehen> you're welcome
[14:34] <charl> good one theblazehen
[15:41] <not_found> :'( I can't even find one site with live rugby scores that isn't being blocked from work
[15:41] <charl> not_found: ssh funnel
[15:41] <charl> *tunnel
[15:41] <charl> ssh -D opens a local socks proxy
[15:41]  * not_found hasn't set up SSH on his home PC again...
[15:42] <Kilos> hi not_found
[15:42] <charl> you need a vps or so-called "cloud server"
[15:42] <not_found> besides using XP without admin makes most things difficult to achieve
[15:42] <not_found> hiya uncle Kilos and charl
[15:42] <charl> no problem with putty
[15:42] <charl> it works without any admin access
[15:43] <charl> and configure firefox under networking, doesn't need any admin access either
[15:43] <charl> i did this like 10 years ago to escape firewalls and corporate monitoring
[15:43] <charl> on a network that i didn't have any admin access to either
[15:44] <charl> back then we didn't have cheap vps'es but i had a box running under my desk at where i was working part time
[15:44] <charl> on a relatively open network, i should add
[15:49] <not_found> I have used putty here... was even running x applications from home right here... but my upload from home was to small to make it work properly :p
[15:50] <charl> bah
[15:50] <not_found> I haven't tried routing my browsers through a home connection
[15:50] <charl> that's really really easy
[15:50] <not_found> well as easy as it may be it won't solve my issue for tonight :/
[15:50] <charl> a friend of mine was in china and he was doing the same to watch youtube
[15:54] <Kilos> inetpro are these good or poison
[15:54] <Kilos> http://imageshack.com/a/img600/9296/baf6.jpg
[15:55] <Kilos> http://imageshack.com/a/img827/8270/jyg3.jpg
[15:55] <Kilos> http://imageshack.com/a/img809/5769/ed4t.jpg
[15:56] <charl> man Kilos are you busy with the shrooms again
[15:56] <Kilos> yeah i love them, but dunno if these are safe
[15:56] <charl> you're like super mario, you just chasing shrooms
[15:57] <Kilos> lol
[15:57] <Kilos> rahter die by bullet than by mushroom poisoning
[15:58] <Kilos> gooooooosiieeee
[15:58] <smile> cool, systemd is becoming standard in Ubuntu :)
[15:58] <smile> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
[15:58] <charl> Kilos: if you're not careful you're going to end up like this http://i.imgur.com/kjmPT2F.jpg
[15:58] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:59] <theblazehen> smile, yeah :) Finally a bit more bearable to work with :p
[15:59] <Kilos> what is wrong with upstart?
[16:00] <smile> theblazehen: yeah, I was hoping for that a long time
[16:00] <smile> :)
[16:00] <smile> Kilos: it's slower
[16:00] <smile> and Ubuntu-only
[16:00] <smile> ;)
[16:00] <Kilos> oh is that all
[16:00] <Kilos> but it is very stable
[16:01] <theblazehen> I actually don't like systemd that much
[16:01] <smile> theblazehen: it's fast in my experience ;)
[16:01] <theblazehen> harder to have say a BSD debian, or GNU/HURD
[16:01] <smile> that's all that matters :p
[16:01] <theblazehen> smile, yeah, good IF you only want to use it with linux kernel
[16:01] <smile> theblazehen: they will likely use SysVinit for some more years :p
[16:02] <theblazehen> smile, who?  It was not designed with speed in mind, but doing things correctly avoids all the delays currently incurred by the boot process. " :p
[16:09] <smile> charl: it is :p
[16:16] <theblazehen> smile, 20 seconds to shell on arch linux on my netbook with a HDD
[16:16] <theblazehen> 1 minute to thin client connection manager, arch linux, booting from (slow) USB flash drive
[16:31] <smile> theblazehen: yes, but that's not only systemd :)
[16:32] <smile> that's ureadahead too
[16:32] <smile> and many more ;)
[16:35] <smile> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ureadahead
[16:47] <theblazehen> I'm back
[16:47] <theblazehen> someone said my nick. What was the message?
 theblazehen: yes, but that's not only systemd :)
[16:48] <theblazehen> k, ty Kilos
[16:48] <Kilos> k
[17:07] <Kilos> not_found me watching sharks/bulls
[17:08] <Kilos> dont zzzzz watch
[17:08] <not_found> bulls going to get slaughtered I fear...
[17:08]  * not_found can't even get the score online anymore :'(
[17:08] <Kilos> yay i like that idea
[17:08] <Kilos> aw
[17:09] <not_found> so any updates would be appreciacted
[17:09] <Kilos> np
[17:09] <not_found> thanks uncle Kilos
[17:09] <Kilos> anytime
[17:09] <not_found> and may the sharks win (won't say best team cause that isn't going to happen tonight)
[17:09] <Kilos> you wanna go pm or here
[17:10] <Kilos> actually go social
[17:10] <Kilos> ##ubuntu-za-social
[17:32] <Kilos-> go sharks
[17:34] <not_found> yes, go away sharks
[18:09] <Kilos> inetpro waar is jy man?
[18:09] <inetpro> uh
[18:09] <Kilos> ai!
[18:25] <inetpro> eish Kilos, I wouldn't try those mushrooms... they don't look like the healthy type that I eat
[18:25] <inetpro> unless you are planning to have a quick trip to the hospital
[18:25] <Kilos> nope try inetpro
[18:25] <Kilos> will sigh and dump them
[18:25]  * not_found won't even eat mushrooms from the shops :/
[18:26] <Kilos> oo i like mushrooms
[18:26] <Kilos> fry in butter then add milk and boils 2 mins
[18:26] <Kilos> yum yum on bread
[18:26] <Kilos> maybe arab mushrooms are not lekker
[18:27] <Kilos> camel dung not good fertilizer
[18:29] <not_found> I don't care what dunk it comes up in I don't want to eat it
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <Kilos> you dunno what you missing
[18:29] <Kilos> lekker like mussels and oysters
[18:30] <not_found> eek... more things on my don't eat list
[18:30] <Kilos> ai!
[18:30]  * not_found thinks uncle Kilos should worry less about food and more about the score >.>
[18:30] <Kilos> what planet you come from
[18:30] <not_found> one where we eat steak
[18:30] <Kilos> lol
[18:30] <not_found> my fave vegetable is chicken
[18:31] <Kilos> and crayfish?
[18:31] <Kilos> better than any steak
[18:31] <not_found> if you find crayfish grazing on a grass field then sure... if not then I doubt it
[18:31] <Kilos> haha shame man you missing something
[18:31] <not_found> I don't mind ;)
[18:32] <inetpro> Kilos: what's the score?
[18:32] <Kilos> bulls are all steak eaters thats why the sharks are leading
[18:32] <Kilos> 26/9
[18:32] <inetpro> cool
[18:33] <not_found> you are aware all the best fish gets transported in land and the best steak to the coast :p
[18:33] <Kilos> van der merwes are funny peeps you know
[18:33] <not_found> seems the game has become a bit static...
[18:33] <Kilos> here one okey name is mc-gyver dean greyling
[18:33] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:34]  * not_found resigns himself to the loss as he expected... I will be back later all... have a great evening and don't eat anything growing on your lawns overnight... ;)
[18:34] <Kilos> cheers not_found
[18:34] <Kilos> go well
[18:34] <not_found> :)
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:43] <Kilos> ai! stupid modem
[18:45] <charl> Kilos: i just saw whatsapp support in miranda mg (windows)
[18:46] <charl> *ng
[18:46] <Kilos> aw i dont do windows
[18:46] <charl> Kilos: http://wiki.miranda-ng.org/index.php?title=Plugin:WhatsApp/en
[18:46] <charl> it says "This plugin is in development and is not suitable for daily use yet. It could cause crashes or data loss."
[18:46] <Kilos> ah
[18:46] <charl> no me neither
[18:46] <charl> it's a gpl licensed application
[18:46] <charl> i don't know why it's windows only
[18:47] <Kilos> that plugin for pidgin will work. i just need to register whatsapp with a fone sometime
[18:47] <Kilos> it actually starts then fails on password
[18:47] <charl> yup
[18:48] <charl> if you can register your account first there's a good chance it will work
[18:48] <charl> but i don't know about the above, it sounds unstable
[18:48] <Kilos> ill find someone with a mod fone to register my sim some time
[18:49] <charl> lol
[18:49] <charl> i don't even have a mobile phone at all
[18:49] <Kilos> i have one for sms and read gutenburg.org books
[18:49] <Kilos> but too old for whatsapp
[18:50] <Kilos> lekker to lie in bed and read on fone
[18:50] <Kilos> not heavy or awkward like a book
[18:50] <charl> yeah
[18:51] <Kilos> inetpro 26/16
[18:51] <inetpro> eish!
[18:51] <Kilos> they coming closer
[18:51] <Kilos> they actually playing the better game
[18:51] <Kilos> only our defence keeps us going
[18:52] <Symmetria> hrm
[18:52] <Symmetria> gf took me with her to her friends dowry negotiation/engagement function thingy this afternoon
[18:52] <Symmetria> that was an interesting insight into kenyan culture
[18:55] <charl> lol
[18:55] <charl> Symmetria: do they have lebola?
[18:59] <Kilos> oo yay lambie scores 3 mins into overtime
[19:00] <Kilos> 31/16
[19:00] <inetpro> nice!
[19:01] <Kilos> go banana boys
[19:02] <charl> what
[19:02] <charl> banana boys?
[19:02] <Kilos> natal
[19:02] <charl> lol
[19:06] <Symmetria> charl same concept
[19:06] <Symmetria> different name
[19:06] <Symmetria> and complex negotiation ceremony
[19:09] <charl> interesting
[19:35] <inetpro> smile: thanks for those links
[19:39] <Private_User> evening people
[19:40] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[19:40] <smile> inetpro: yw! :D
[19:40] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[19:47] <charl> hi Private_User
[19:47] <Private_User> hi charl
[19:47] <Private_User> hi psydroid, sorry saw you greeted earlier but I was AFK :)
[19:49] <charl> hahahhaahha http://www.elmarlecher.de/files/hurd.jpg
[19:50] <charl> hurd is used all around the world indeed
[19:51] <charl> by like 10 people
[19:52] <theblazehen> When you have :w in your text dicuments..
[19:53] <theblazehen> AND you're in vim
[19:53] <charl> ??
[19:53] <charl> how is that a problem ?
[19:55] <theblazehen> I forgot to press esc...
[19:55] <charl> lol
[19:56] <charl> oh now i get it
[19:58] <Private_User> I don't, but then again I could just be very ignorant or stupid
[19:58] <charl> lol
[19:59] <theblazehen> Private_User, you use Esc, :w to save in the vim text editor
[19:59] <charl> well you use esc to exit input mode
[19:59] <charl> and then you're in command mode
[19:59] <theblazehen> I was stil in insert mode, as I forgot to press esc, so then I typed :w
[19:59] <charl> and then you can execute commands like :w (write/save)
[19:59] <charl> insert mode, sorry :)
[19:59] <Private_User> LOL
[19:59] <Private_User> ok gotcha
[20:00] <charl> a good vim user will spend most of their time in command mode
[20:01] <theblazehen> charl, Well mainly when you're editing text, then command. But if you're creating then insert..
[20:01] <theblazehen> right?
[20:02] <Private_User> now I am feeling a bit of hunger creeping on, time to go grab some grub. chat later people
[20:02] <charl> yes
[20:04] <theblazehen> charl, got any cool vim tricks?
[20:05] <theblazehen> my favourite is gg=G
[20:05] <theblazehen> (Because I suck at indentation :( )
[20:06] <charl> hehe
[20:07] <charl> i don't really know, i'm not a vim "power user"
[20:07] <theblazehen> ah, kk
[20:07] <charl> i have little hacks like trimming whitespace off the end of each line
[20:07] <charl> with some regexp
[20:07] <charl> and sorting a bunch of lines (mostly imports / variable declarations)
[20:07] <charl> but i'm not big on plugins
[20:07] <theblazehen> I mainly use the basics. copy-paste, regex, insert, V-Line select, etc.
[20:07] <theblazehen> nice
[20:08] <charl> some stuff i use so irregularly that i just google them when i need them
[20:08] <charl> yes same here
[20:08] <charl> this is a good resource: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Vim_Tips_Wiki
[20:08] <theblazehen> I'm using the spf13 vim distribution. But mainly because it has good defaults
[20:08] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:08] <theblazehen> Really need to make my own vimrc..
[20:08] <theblazehen> cya Kilos
[20:08] <theblazehen> charl, yeah, I know of it
[20:09] <charl> looking at http://vim.spf13.com/ now
[20:11] <charl> hmmmm http://spf13.com/post/why-i-use-spf13-vim
[20:13] <charl> interesting maybe i try it
[20:15] <theblazehen> awesome :)
[20:16] <charl> hmmmm drinking leffe bruin, awesome
[20:16] <charl> smile: ^
[20:17] <charl> :)
[20:24] <smile> charl: hehe :p
[20:24] <smile> zatlap :p
[20:25] <smile> I know you're all bored, so have a look at http://wiki.torios.org :p
[20:27] <charl> lol
[20:28] <charl> zatlap zelfst.naamw. iemand die regelmatig te veel alcohol dringt   Voorbeeld: `De zatlap maakte de hele nacht herrie. ` Bron: Wikiwoordenboek - zatlap.
[20:28] <charl> i wouldn't say i make a habit of it :P
[20:29] <smile> :D
[20:29] <charl> if i have it right the south african translation would be "suiplap"
[20:29] <charl> but it might have been too many years
[20:30] <charl> oh yes, indeed, i speak some japanese and tori is bird
[20:32] <smile> see ya :p
[20:32] <smile> :)
[20:32] <smile> good night
[20:33] <charl> this is a good initiative to watch
[20:33] <charl> night smile
[20:33] <charl> :)
[20:33] <smile> thanks
[20:33] <charl> i'm off too
[20:33] <charl> night all
[20:44] <theblazehen> night guys
[20:45] <Private_User> man, everybody here goes to bed very early... especially for a Saturday
[20:46] <theblazehen> Private_User, you in same timezone bro?
[20:46] <theblazehen> I could carry on, but I'm bored
[20:46] <theblazehen> Doing research on "drinking and driving" is kinda boring..
[20:46] <Private_User> lol
[20:47] <Private_User> yes same time zone dude, well I am in South Africa A.K.A  ZA
[20:55] <superfly> I rarely go to bed before 11
[20:55] <superfly> my only time on the PC is after 9
[20:56] <superfly> it's called kids :-)
[20:56] <Private_User> hehe
[20:56] <Private_User> hi superfly
[20:56] <superfly> hi Private_User
[20:57] <Private_User> theblazehen: if you bored and cannot sleep research ways to make additional cash online and how to make your money grow while sitting and doing nothing. That's my advice since I wish people told me that when I was younger like especially school time I would have not gotten bankrupt and become broke
[20:57] <Private_User> and its not the spam making cash online hey
[20:57] <Private_User> the ones that get sent to you in an email where you pay to get the info
[20:58] <Private_User> there are also some freelancing ubuntu jobs out there where you work online via one of these freelancing sites for a lient and get paid
[20:58] <theblazehen> Private_User, like those GPT sites, and surveys?
[20:58] <Private_User> *client
[20:59] <superfly> apparently there's a lot of money in advertising in Android apps and games
[20:59] <theblazehen> I might do freelancing, but I don't like dev work that much.  I prefer doing hard stuff like trying to make an electronic device use less power
[21:02] <theblazehen> My one friend lost 30k USD with the recent BTC crash. All BTC mined, or traded
[21:02] <superfly> not every day you get to work on a low level like that
[21:02] <theblazehen> superfly, ah nice
[21:02] <superfly> (turning pins on and off on an IC)
[21:03] <theblazehen> well, cya all


[09:20] <KGB-X> gnome-software Will Thompson 476706 * commented merge request !16 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-software/-/merge_requests/16#note_476706
[09:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Merge 16 in gnome-team/gnome-software "Split GNOME Software deb support to separate package etc" [Opened]
[10:34] <KGB-X> mutter ubuntu/jammy 1e2c8fe Daniel van Vugt debian/ changelog patches/debian/tests-Tag-unstable-tests-as-flaky.patch * Add fullscreen-maximize to tests-Tag-unstable-tests-as-flaky.patch * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mutter/-/commit/1e2c8fe
[10:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 1e2c8fe in gnome-team/mutter "Add fullscreen-maximize to tests-Tag-unstable-tests-as-flaky.patch"
[11:38] <KGB-X> gnome-control-center ubuntu/latest 23c8939 Sebastien Bacher debian/ changelog patches/ubuntu/Allow-tweaking-some-settings-for-Ubuntu-Dock.patch * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-control-center/-/commit/23c8939
[11:38] <KGB-X>  d/p/u/Allow-tweaking-some-settings-for-Ubuntu-Dock.patch:
[11:38] <KGB-X>   - fix the description and the layout of the tiling options,
[11:38] <KGB-X>     thanks Tim Holmes-Mitra
[11:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 23c8939 in gnome-team/gnome-control-center "d/p/u/Allow-tweaking-some-settings-for-Ubuntu-Dock.patch:"
[11:38] <KGB-X> gnome-control-center ubuntu/latest cf63d2d Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * releasing package gnome-control-center version 1:46.0-0ubuntu5 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-control-center/-/commit/cf63d2d
[11:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit cf63d2d in gnome-team/gnome-control-center "releasing package gnome-control-center version 1:46.0-0ubuntu5"
[11:40] <KGB-X> gnome-control-center tags cf63d2d Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/1%46.0-0ubuntu5 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-control-center/tags/ubuntu/1%46.0-0ubuntu5
[12:13] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/latest 065623f Sebastien Bacher debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) * Include the welcome page change in the Ubuntu session patch * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-initial-setup/-/commit/065623f
[12:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 065623f in gnome-team/gnome-initial-setup "Include the welcome page change in the Ubuntu session patch"
[12:13] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/latest 48ec6ed Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * releasing package gnome-initial-setup version 46.0-1ubuntu2 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-initial-setup/-/commit/48ec6ed
[12:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 48ec6ed in gnome-team/gnome-initial-setup "releasing package gnome-initial-setup version 46.0-1ubuntu2"
[12:13] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup tags 48ec6ed Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/46.0-1ubuntu2 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-initial-setup/tags/ubuntu/46.0-1ubuntu2


[01:17] <ruben231> hi guys, i have installed apache2 on my ubuntu 10.04 LTS but problem when i reboot it wont start automatically i need to induce it with command before it starts /etc/init.d/apache2 restart <<<<<-------------------any idea how to solve this..?
[01:28] <sarnold> ruben231: try "chkconfig apache2 on" -- stolen from http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man8/chkconfig.8.html   ...
[03:43] <rocket> Looking for a regular expression channel
[03:47] <patdk-lap> #regexp ?
[09:21] <jamespage> rbasak, I hit the rebuild button last night for mongodb and its now fine
[09:21] <jamespage> rbasak, probably something transitory I suspect
[09:22] <rbasak> jamespage: OK, great. I'll leave it then.
[09:22] <rbasak> I still wish I had a way to get sbuild to match the buildd exactly for build dep resolution :-/
[11:05] <Ng> is cloud-init supposed to execute all the cloud config files in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d?
[11:06] <Ng> as in, always? I'm firing up a test instance in a local kvm without any cloud infrastructure and the config file I've added seems to be ignored
[11:12] <jamespage> adam_g, some comments on the rabbitmq-server HA merge
[11:12] <jamespage> but hacluster and mysql LGTM to merged
[11:19] <lynxman> Ng: as far as I remember you need to trigger cloud-init metadata execution for that to be read, but my information might be clearly outdated
[11:19] <Ng> hmm
[11:21] <lynxman> Ng: cloud-init reads the metadata instructions and stores them in /var/lib/cloud somewhere, then that is used to execute the rest, should need to look at the code to see if that has changed
[12:05] <xnox> roaksoax: jamespage: sorry for missing the HA session.
[12:06] <xnox> roaksoax: jamespage: debian release team are unhappy about the current state of redhat-cluster, corosync, clvm and friends. To the point where they are aggresively trying to remove those from debian archive now, on the basis that all of those packages have not been updated in a while.
[12:06] <xnox> Surprisingly clvm is more or less up to date, it's the others that are lagging.
[12:06] <xnox> but it's the clvm that was first to be removed from wheezy.
[12:07] <xnox> roaksoax: jamespage: is there an action plan to update / maintain this set of packages? if yes, are we willing to do so via Debian or not?
[12:14] <zorky> anyone here who have any knowledge on juju charm concerning zentyal?
[12:16] <jcastro> not offhand
[12:16] <jcastro> is it broken?
[12:16] <xnox> jamespage: thanks for taking over mongodb =)
[12:18] <zorky> jcastro, theres a problem for us. anyhow. we can't seem to get access beyond the zentyal web interface. The password is unknown. something to do with kerberos password
[12:18] <jcastro> have you set the password?
[12:19] <jcastro> juju set zentyal-single password="foo"
[12:19] <jcastro> according to the readme for a single node thing
[12:23] <Sparky-UK> Hi, does anyone know why (my) snmpd does not increment result for NIC's (particularly eth0) on ubuntu 12.04, counters update if i restart the service tho
[12:24] <zorky> jcastro, yes we tried to set the password to our own choosing. just tried setting the password from the command juju set zentyal-single password="foo" but still no access
[12:25] <jcastro> zorky: hmmm, well, all I can offer is the author's contact info
[12:25] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/~christophe.sauthier
[12:25] <jcastro> He knows the zentyal guys very well, so hopefully that'll get you on the right track?
[12:30] <maveas> I'm about to write a upstart script for openerp, which relies on postgres, but I'm uncertain about upstart emits during sysvinit scripts. Does upstart emits event from a successfully started sysvinit script?
[12:31] <maveas> Which translates to.. can I use the old sysvinit script for postgres or should I write an upstart script?
[12:32] <maveas> for postgres too?
[12:32] <zorky> jcastro, Will do, thats for the info :)
[12:32] <zorky> jcastro, Thanks*
[12:37] <vezq> maveas: I find sysvinit works more reliably
[12:38] <maveas> vezq: Explain?
[12:39] <vezq> maveas: maybe just more familiar with sysvinit
[12:39] <vezq> for example having different start and stop commands seem not to be trivial with upstart
[12:41] <maveas> vezq: How different? With variables or?
[12:43] <mkander> I want to pay someone to setup raid on my ubuntu server that runs on lvm (default). Anyone interested? Thanks for the help!
[12:44] <maveas> vezq: I am asking because I am still quite new with init (sysv+upstart)
[12:44] <vezq> maveas: just running any different command with upstart
[12:45] <vezq> I'm not that familiar with upstart either
[12:46] <vezq> mkander: RAID should be configured before LVM
[12:46] <vezq> mkander: I might be able to help if needed
[12:47] <mkander> vezq: It is already set up unfortunately
[12:47] <mkander> been running like this for a year, but now I want added security
[12:47] <vezq> mkander: then it's about the only way to recreate the server...
[12:47] <xnox> mkander: just follow https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/advanced-installation.html
[12:47] <maveas> It is possible to do scripts in upstart so I don't see any problems there. It is possible to do pre-start, post-start, pre-stop and post-stop script beside the start script
[12:48] <mkander> vezq: Reinstall everything? Hmm hope there is another way
[12:48] <vezq> mkander: yep I don't really see any other way
[12:49] <mkander> must be possible to install a raid 1 seperately and then move everything there or something
[12:50] <maveas> RAID or no RAID that is the question..
[12:50] <vezq> mkander: sure but might be easier to copy data to safety, delete current stuff, create raid etc.
[12:50] <xnox> mkander: if you have enought disks plugged in, you can configure & setup raid1, then lvm, and then move everything from the non-raid disk across, setup/update bootloader and reboot and hopefully be golden.
[12:58] <mkander> xnox: Yes must be something like that...
[13:11] <setra> hi
[13:13] <setra> Looking for an automation tool which runs on a ubuntu server to handle bash script commandline GUIs which can not be automated through parameter, rather than that need user interaction.
[13:16] <melmoth> setra, your question is unclear... The way i understand it, is "i m looking at a universal graphical interface wrapper for any exisiting shell script"
[13:16] <melmoth> wich i doubt exist
[13:32] <lynxman> jcastro: o/
[13:34] <jcastro> lynxman: yo yo!
[13:36] <lynxman> jcastro: very well done yesterday sir
[13:37] <jcastro> oh you were watching?
[13:44] <jamespage> xnox: np on mongodb - I'm adding some DEP-8 tests (and probably enabling SSL support) in the next few days as well
[13:44] <blazindrop> good day I have a problem with MAAS on ubuntu 12.10. MAAS status page continually says "No boot images have been imported yet...." I've ran maas-import-pxe-files multiple times but this still displays.
[13:45] <jamespage> xnox: re the cluster suite generally - I'd defer to roaksoax on that as he's much closer to me
[13:45] <jamespage> blazindrop, hmm - I've seen that as well - its lying
[13:45] <blazindrop> jamespage, I thought it may be but wasn't sure
[13:45] <blazindrop> jamespage, trying a new install from maas master in a few minutes so will find out the hard way :)
[13:45] <jamespage> blazindrop, well I guess there is the possibility that in your instance its not but I would suspect now
[13:45] <jamespage> now/not
[13:45] <blazindrop> jamespage, ok
[13:48] <jcastro> lynxman: I am looking forward to the webscale session soon
[13:48] <jcastro> \o/ come on nginx in main!
[13:49] <jamespage> jcastro, now you are making me feel guilty
[13:49] <jamespage> that BP has not had alot of love this cycle
[13:49] <jcastro> I know
[13:49] <jcastro> we got clinted.
[13:50] <jcastro> but it's ok, I always have hopes for you to pick up the slack!
[13:50]  * jcastro snickers
[13:50] <Daviey> jcastro: Did you just volunteer ?
[13:50] <lynxman> jcastro: I was! :) nginx in main is schweet
[13:50] <lynxman> Daviey: I think he did?
[13:50] <jcastro> Daviey: meh, it's in the charm store, that's just as good right? :)
[13:51] <setra> melmoth, I have a bash script I run on a server console which installs a lot of tools automated to fit my needs, but there are sometimes user interaction needed to move on. this I would like to eliminate
[13:51]  * Daviey marks blueprint complete, and cancels the vUDS session
[13:51] <setra> with an automatic tool like xdotool which does not work since there is no desktop/window anywhere
[13:52] <melmoth> setra, ok, i think i understand the use case.
[13:52] <melmoth> setra, what about using something like expect , or expect like (there s an expect like module for python) ?
[13:53] <melmoth> http://pexpect.sourceforge.net/pexpect.html
[13:53] <Jeeves__>  debconf-set-selections
[13:53] <setra> melmoth, yes expect is what I found, but I'm not sure how to incorporate it, since I did not find an example for an application like squirrelmail-configure...
[13:54] <setra> do I need to be a python expert?
[13:54] <Jeeves_> setra: debconf-set-selections allows you to set the answers dpkg wants to ask you in advance
[13:54] <melmoth> you ll need to be fluent in wichever tool you want to use. Expect requires tcl knowledge.
[13:54] <melmoth> the python module let you do the same with python (but...requires you to know python :) )
[13:55] <setra> melmoth, just got in touch with bash since I thought I can solve it all, but bummer...
[13:55] <melmoth> if your only problem is some pakcage reconfigure stuff, Jeeves_ is right, you want to have a look at preseed and debconf selection
[13:56]  * melmoth sing it s a long way to the top if you wanna rock n roll.
[13:57] <Jeeves_> setra: Correctly built packages should all use debconf, iirc.
[13:57] <Jeeves_> So you can just set stuff using debconf
[13:57] <Jeeves_> from bash
[13:57] <setra> Jeeves_, thx that solves 95% for me...
[13:57] <Jeeves_> echo "kerio-connect     kerio-connect/force-config      boolean false" | debconf-set-selections
[13:58] <jamespage> Daviey, which session are you running as we appear to have a conflict
[13:58] <Jeeves_> Quite easy, if you ask me.
[13:58] <setra> Jeeves_, straight forward
[13:59] <Jeeves_> `debconf-get-selections | grep 'packagename'` shows you which vars are available for setting
[13:59] <setra> melmoth, so now you know why I struggle a little, for another 5% putting a undefined amount of time in expect...btw, do you got an example for handling an application in a console from a bash script.
[14:00] <melmoth> there was an example using python expect module in th elink i posted above (a simple scp command line prompting for user/password)
[14:01] <setra> melmoth, thx
[14:04] <dv> Hi all. I have a question on MAAS / JuJu
[14:04] <dv> Suppose i said `deploy mysql` and it now serves 100 reqs per sec
[14:06] <Daviey> jamespage: sorry, i am FPI
[14:06] <dv> What will happen with my 4-node cluster after adding three new nodes and removal of three other?
[14:14] <roaksoax> xnox: hi! i thought madkiss was taking care of corosync pacemaer etc etc
[14:14] <roaksoax> xnox: our update plans is to basically drop redhat cluster
[14:14] <roaksoax> and clvm too
[14:15] <xnox> roaksoax: ok. drop clvm without replacement? just use resource agents / something else?
[14:17] <roaksoax> xnox: afaik upstream was dropping ra's and stuff
[14:18] <xnox> roaksoax: "upsream" as in Debian or RedHat? RedHat say it's all still supported, just unmaintained in Debian.
[14:19] <roaksoax> xnox: looing from where i read that
[14:21] <xnox> roaksoax: sorry, what does "looing" mean?
[14:21]  * xnox is not a native speaker.
[14:21] <roaksoax> xnox: if we upgrade, we would be doing option 3: http://theclusterguy.clusterlabs.org/post/34605496260/can-pacemaker-1-1-8-be-used-with
[14:21] <roaksoax> looking*
[14:21] <roaksoax> xnox: currently, both debian an ubuntu support option 2
[14:22] <xnox> ok.
[14:22] <roaksoax> xnox: nd afaik the package versions are similar
[14:22] <roaksoax> and debian has newer of the stack in experimental
[14:22] <xnox> roaksoax: so do you want anything from the lvm2 package? ship  / don't ship clvm package / status quo?
[14:22] <xnox> (currently I kept clvm package around)
[14:22] <roaksoax> so the reason of not upgrading to latest software is a technical decision that would drop support for ofs2
[14:22] <roaksoax> and as i was pointed out  couple months ago
[14:23] <roaksoax> clvm ws to be dropped for no due to lack of support iirc
[14:23] <roaksoax> that's why i need to find where i read that frm
[14:24] <roaksoax> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=697676
[14:24] <roaksoax> which you are currently aware of
[14:27] <jcastro> smoser: we have like 3 hours from the end of UDS to the LUG talk, so we should be fine.
[14:28] <roaksoax> xnox: err i gave you a wrong link: http://theclusterguy.clusterlabs.org/post/34604901720/pacemaker-and-cluster-filesystems
[14:35] <dv> Bob_: Yes, i knew it, just wanted dv
[14:35] <dv> sry not relevant
[15:02] <blazindrop> jamespage, looks like that is just a false positive alert about pxe images not loaded. so far I have a MAAS slave booting fine
[16:03] <zul> jamespage:  can you have a look please? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5590733/
[16:07] <jamespage> zul: "This is a transitional dummy package> It can be safely removed."
[16:07] <jamespage> typo
[16:07] <jamespage> > -> .
[16:08] <zul> jamespage:  doh
[16:08] <jamespage> zul, typos:
[16:08] <jamespage> Replaces: pyhton-oslo-config (<< 2013.1~b5~)
[16:08] <jamespage> Breaks: pyhton-oslo-config (<< 2013.1~b5~)
[16:08] <jamespage> spelt wrong
[16:08] <zul> jamespage:  doh got it
[16:09] <jamespage> zul, I'd personally add a comment re the package renaming and transitional package in the changelog as well
[16:09] <jamespage> i.e. why thats happening
[16:09] <zul> jamespage:  done
[16:11] <jamespage> zul: please fix the watch file as well - it needs to take into account the package rename
[16:11] <zul> jamespage:  k
[16:12] <zul> jamespage:  this probably should be vcs controlled like the openstack packages me think
[16:12] <jamespage> zul: not quite sure what you mean?
[16:12] <zul> jamespage:  ie like python-glanceclient
[16:14] <jamespage> zul, you want to set it up in the CI?
[16:14] <jamespage> or just have a non-distro packaging branch?
[16:14] <zul> jamespage:  i think it should be in the ci so we can catch breakages
[16:39] <zul> jamespage:  lp:~openstack-ubuntu-testing/oslo/grizzl
[16:40] <zul> jamespage:  er lp:~openstack-ubuntu-testing/oslo/grizzly
[17:44] <jiboumans> jjohansen: are you around? I could use your input on a kernel/UDP issue i'm having.
[17:44] <jjohansen> jiboumans: what is the problem?
[17:46] <jiboumans> jjohansen: prefixing this with "I'm a total newbie C/socket programmer", I'm trying to figure out if I can make a write(udp_fd, str, len) call faster - it's taking 50 microsecs on my VM, and this is for a patch inside Redis (in memory store), where the actual processed commands take 40-100 microsecs in total.
[17:47] <jiboumans> this is to send stats off to Statsd on localhost, so I'm ok playing a bit fast & loose with losing a stat here & there if it gains some speed in the process.
[17:47] <jiboumans> in short, the stat collecting is slowing the rest down so much (relatively speaking) it's prohibitive to run it.
[17:48] <sarnold> jiboumans: 50 _microseconds_ or 50 _milliseconds_?
[17:48] <jiboumans> microseconds
[17:48] <sarnold> jiboumans: you may wish to try timing a tight loop of umask() or something similar to see what syscall overhead is expected to be. that sounds pretty snappy to me.
[17:49] <jjohansen> jiboumans: there isn't a lot you can do to optimize at the syscall level. What networking does your VM use
[17:50] <jiboumans> sarnold: in absolute numbers it's pretty snappy indeed, but relatively speaking it throttles the redis througput to about a third. Obviously the call is doing more than just copying the string into kernel memory, and if I could get it to return when that was done and handle the sending 'later' at the risk of losing some error handling, i'd be fine with that.
[17:51] <jiboumans> jjohansen: this is to <IP_ADDRESS>, so it doesn't go off box. I'm assuming it'd use loopback for that.
[17:53] <jjohansen> jiboumans: you can try doing async io, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-async/ has a decent introduction to it
[17:53] <jiboumans> jjohansen: here's the code https://github.com/jib/redis/compare/2.6...statsd-support-2.6#L4R57 (linked to connect). The send is on line 162.
[17:54] <jiboumans> jjohansen: hmm, that looks different than the O_ASYNC/O_NONBLOCKING flags, right?
[17:55] <jjohansen> jiboumans: yes
[17:57] <jiboumans> jjohansen: i'll give that a try. is this linux kernel only thing?
[18:00] <sarnold> I think there's a POSIX spec for aio but I wouldn't be surprised if implementers are few..
[18:00] <jjohansen> jiboumans: I am not sure what the status of aio is on other kernels but it is a posix spec
[18:01] <jiboumans> jjohansen: will have to dig into this then.. pretty sure redis folks wnat to keep building on BSD etc too.
[18:01] <jiboumans> but first, let's test that it goes faster indeed. thanks for the pointer!
[18:26] <jiboumans> jjohansen: i may be doing something very silly, but I'm getting this error when calling aio_write: redis/src/statsd.c:191: undefined reference to `aio_write64'. Looking in /usr/local/include, I can't find any definitions for aio_write64 indeed. Does this come from an extra kernel module or so? I have libaio-dev & libaio1 installed.
[18:27] <jiboumans> manpage suggests I only need <aio.h>, and that does provide the struct needed, but no definition of aio_write.. bit puzzled.
[18:28] <sarnold> jiboumans: my aio_write64 is protected by #ifdef __USE_LARGEFILE64
[18:30] <jjohansen> jiboumans: its in the aio.h include here as sarnold says its protected by an ifdef
[18:30] <jjohansen> jiboumans: aio.h is installed by libc6-dev:amd64:
[18:31] <jiboumans> hmm, i dont even see it in the /source/ though. Never mind the #ifdef not exposing it.
[18:31]  * jiboumans checks versions
[18:31] <jiboumans> ii  linux-libc-dev 2.6.32-41.89 Linux Kernel Headers for development
[18:32] <jiboumans> (this is on lucid btw, I should have probably mentioned this earlier)
[18:34] <jiboumans> hmm, looking at the right aio.h may help.. there are many.
[18:35] <jiboumans> sarnold, jjohansen: so, what should i be doing at this point? I'm a tad lost.
[18:37] <SpamapS> jiboumans: o/
[18:37] <jiboumans> SpamapS: howdy!
[18:37] <SpamapS> jiboumans: still plugging away on ye olde lucid eh?
[18:38] <SpamapS> haven't you heard, the cool kids just run raring now
[18:38] <SpamapS> forever
[18:38] <jiboumans> on daily snapshots right?
[18:38] <sarnold> jiboumans: heh, sorry, haven't used it beyond toys in ages :/
[18:38] <jcastro> oh hey jiboumans!
[18:38] <jiboumans> damn i wish i were cool
[18:38] <SpamapS> jiboumans: snapshots are for pussies.
[18:38] <SpamapS> jiboumans: while apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade -y ; done
[18:39] <SpamapS> NO WAITING
[18:39] <jiboumans> jcastro: howdy sir!
[18:41] <jiboumans> sarnold: thanks for trying. I'd expected to at least have a working aio_write definition in there though :)
[18:41] <sarnold> jiboumans: indeed :)
[18:50] <jjohansen> jiboumans: sorry I haven't played with it either
[18:51] <jiboumans> jjohansen: let me ask you this then, should __USE_LARGEFILE64 be undefined? What sets it for ubuntu kernels?
[18:52] <jiboumans> (sarnold got the cause for the error right with that)
[18:52] <sarnold> jiboumans: Wouldn't it be something you've got to set in your makefiles, similar to __GNU_SOURCE or related feature macros?
[18:53] <sarnold> (i'll admit a strong weakness here...)
[18:53] <jiboumans> sarnold: by all intents and purposes, i shouldn't be allowed to code C, so i'm relying on y'alls input here :)
[18:53] <sarnold> jiboumans: hehe :D
[18:57] <jjohansen> jiboumans: define  _GNU_SOURCE in your source
[18:59] <jiboumans> jjohansen: kernel source yeah? i'm obviously out of my depth here.
[18:59] <jiboumans> and if ubuntu kernels don't build with this, i'm assuming a lot of 'm don't.. meaning aio_write wouldn't work for them either? sad face.
[18:59] <jjohansen> jiboumans: no, at the top of your C prog, put
[18:59] <jjohansen>  #define _GNU_SOURCE 1
[18:59] <jjohansen> and then do your includes
[19:01] <jiboumans> ah interesting. in the redis src there's a "#define _GNU_SOURCE" - no value. wonder why they did that
[19:01]  * jiboumans chagnes and tries
[19:03] <jiboumans> still undefined reference to aio_write64. i'll dig further - thanks for pointing me in the right direction jjohansen, sarnold.
[19:04] <sarnold> jiboumans: oh man :/ good luck :)
[20:11] <zul> adam_g: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/glance/glance-fix-ups/+merge/152048
[20:54] <keithzg> Arghh, why am I having such a hard time configuring an IMAP server? Fail, me.
[20:59] <keithzg> ...wait, IMAP authentication works fine if I'm using a local user? Why wouldn't users auth'd via LDAP work, since PAM is being used for auth and thus ostensibly querying LDAP?
[20:59] <sarnold> keithzg: does your /etc/pam.d/<imap service name> config file allow ldap?
[21:02] <keithzg> sarnold: I don't see anything in /etc/pam.d that'd be related, actually (I'm trying Courier at the moment, btw)
[21:03] <sarnold> courier-imap: /etc/pam.d/imap
[21:03] <sarnold> keithzg: does that file look sane?
[21:04] <keithzg> sarnod: oh, durr, don't know how I didn't see that. But yeah, it looks sane to me, @include lines for common-auth, common-account, common-password and common-session.
[21:05] <sarnold> keithzg: and do the common-files work for e.g. ssh or ftp or lightdm or login or su or sudo or .. some other easily-testable service? :)
[21:07] <keithzg> I can certainly ssh into them; the server is headless so can't try lightdm. But it also works if I ssh in as a local account then 'su username' with that user's password.
[21:09] <keithzg> sarnold: Although auth *does* take a troublingly long time (lag of several seconds at least)
[21:10] <sarnold> keithzg: hrm, failing dns queries are often a source of noticable lag.. are you logging reverse-lookup names instead of ips in your connection logs?
[21:15] <keithzg> sarnold: I must admit I'm not sure what you're referring to; do you mean mail.log?
[21:15] <keithzg> sarnold: if that's the case, I'm seeing bits like "connect from siddhartha.gmcl.internal[<IP_ADDRESS>]" and "LOGIN, user=blahblah, ip=[::ffff:<IP_ADDRESS>], port=[60758], protocol=IMAP"
[21:16] <sarnold> keithzg: that'd be the 'siddhartha.gmcl.internal' portion
[21:17] <sarnold> keithzg: though in that case it succeeded :) hehe -- how long does it take to run 'host <IP_ADDRESS>' on that machine? or nearby IPs?
[21:22] <keithzg> sarnold: a long lag as I installed bind9-host, heh, but about 1 second to actually resolve IP to name or vice-versa
[21:22] <keithzg> sarnold: I have a suspicion the auth delay is thanks to the virtual server that's running being periodically snapshotted to discreet external-file snapshots; it's really helpful for backup purposes, but unfortunately the version of kvm-qemu that ships with 12.04 isn't new enough to blockpull the snapshots back to collapse them, thus eventually leading to an extremely long backing chain, heh.
[21:23] <sarnold> keithzg: ooooof.
[21:23] <sarnold> keithzg: that sounds painful :)
[21:23] <keithzg> sarnold: yeahhhh, I'm probably going to eventually give in an upgrade to a non-LTS!
[21:24] <keithzg> Other possible option is I could transfer the VMs to a 12.10 or later box, blockpull, and then copy them back. Kindof an ugly way of doing it, though (and far from automatic or foolproof)
[21:26] <sarnold> keithzg: It might be worth considering an SRU for that new feature, it sounds useful...
[21:31] <keithzg> sarnold: not a bad idea a'tall
[21:35] <keithzg> sarnold: hmm, if I try a manual login via telnet I get "* BYE Temporary problem, please try again later"
[21:35] <sarnold> keithzg: o_O
[21:35] <sarnold> that's .. odd
[21:39]  * keithzg is the king of strange and confusing errors ;)
[21:51] <keithzg> Yeesh this is an extremely hard issue to Google for, since most people using LDAP and IMAP are doing rather different and far more complex things than I.
[22:02] <keithzg> Is it possible that Courier cannot authenticate via ldap through the 'authpam' module, and would have to actually use its own discrete 'authldap' module? That'd be rather annoying for my use-case, sigh.
[22:19] <Seveas> keithzg, it's been a while since I used courier, but I'm pretty sure I used pam (and pam used ldap)
[22:19] <keithzg> Seveas: Okay, that's good to know. So this *should* be working, then.
[22:23] <Seveas> keithzg, what does authtest say? And does tcpdump see any ldap bind attempts?
[22:30] <Seveas> keithzg, I've always found http://www.courier-mta.org/authlib/README.authdebug.html helpful in debugging courier auth issues (and I've had a few...)
[22:33] <keithzg> Seveas: oh, thanks! I'll check that page out.
[22:35] <keithzg> ...alas, everything relevant in there I have already tried.
[22:35] <keithzg> Seveas: authtest sadly albeit predictably gives the same error as mail.log show, ie. "Authentication FAILED: Input/output error". Working on tcpdump, I feel like I'm missing something since I don't see anything at all when I try to connect, even though on the client end I'm getting responses to my telnet commands.


[11:05] <Jane_ux> hi every1
[11:05] <Jane_ux> How can I lockdown the position of the icons in the desktop?
[11:06] <Jane_ux> I am using gnome
[11:07] <oblenob> I am using KDE
[11:07] <Jane_ux> yep
[11:07] <Jane_ux> i know in kde is possible
[11:07] <Jane_ux> but in gnome???
[11:07] <oblenob> KDE is awsome
[11:07] <oblenob> I never used gnome
[11:07] <ogra> i dont think thats possible with nautilus ... but you can tell nautilus to not manage the desktop and install something like idesk
[11:08] <oblenob> cause KDE is too awsome to switch to gonome
[11:08] <oblenob> of-course
[11:08] <oblenob> I have never udes linux
[11:08] <oblenob> only KUBUNTU!
[11:08]  * ogra wonders what that was now :)
[11:09] <Jane_ux> any usefull idea pls???
[11:09] <ogra> did you see the line i posted ?
[11:10] <Jane_ux> yep
[11:10] <Jane_ux> so how can i tell nautilus not to manage the desktop?
[11:10] <ogra> install gconf-editor, go to apps/nautilus and look for a key like "show_desktop" (not sure about the right name)
[11:10] <ogra> uncheck that
[11:11] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:11] <ogra> then install idesk (there are some howtos out on the ubuntu wiki how to set it up properly (do a fulltext search for "idesk" on the wiki))
[11:11] <ogra> and make sure it gets started in your gnome session
[11:12] <ogra> it will replace the nautilus desktop with a fixed raster of icons you can put on it
[11:12] <Jane_ux> ok i ll try that
[11:12] <Jane_ux> thanks very much ogra
[11:15] <Jane_ux> ok, 1st problem
[11:15] <Jane_ux> I am using sabayon too
[11:15] <Jane_ux> if i set the nautilus to dont show_desktop
[11:16] <Jane_ux> i guess sabayon will av problems
[11:16] <Jane_ux> ??!!
[11:16] <ogra> no, i dont think so
[11:16] <ogra> sabayon just makes a profile out of the gconf keys you set
[11:16] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:17] <Jane_ux> the gconf-editor keys are mandatories???
[11:17] <Jane_ux> or i must change it for every user??
[11:17] <Jane_ux> or i must executed it as sudo?
[11:18] <ogra> well, if you run gconf-editor through sudo, set a key, right click on it, you have points like "set as default" and "make mandatory" ... set both of these and it will work systemwide
[11:18] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:20] <Jane_ux> just to be sure, idesk allows to lock the icons position??
[11:21] <ogra> it has a fixed table
[11:21] <ogra> like a raster on your desktop ... you can put icons into that raster ad they are not movable by the user
[11:21] <Jane_ux> ok, i ll try it
[11:21] <Jane_ux> i let u know how is it going
[11:22] <Jane_ux> thanks very much
[11:22] <ogra> :)
[11:24] <Jane_ux> iam reading idesk wiki
[11:24] <Jane_ux> the thing is i want to make a public pc, like a kiosk
[11:25] <Jane_ux> do u know if is there any application to do it
[11:25] <Jane_ux> it is better to use kdm??
[11:25] <Jane_ux> kde?
[11:27] <ogra> well, i have not much experience with KDE so i might be the wrong person to ask :)
[11:27] <Jane_ux> in gnome im locking down everything manually, using sabayon, pessulus...
[11:27] <Jane_ux> do you know any other application to manage the kiosk in gnome
[11:27] <ogra> well, that wont be muc different with KDE, you wil have to use kiosktool like sabayon and do the lockdown there i think
[11:28] <ogra> do you run that setup through ltsp ?
[11:28] <Jane_ux> yep
[11:29] <Jane_ux> i hope it ll work fine
[11:30] <ogra> there is a doc in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/workstation (not really ubuntu (debian added that) but i can tell you the differences) tha describes how to change the thin client image to have a local desktop running with autologin
[11:31] <ogra> its similar to what we do in ubuntu with the --kiosk switch to ltsp-build-client, but adds a ful desktop instead of runing firefox locally
[11:31] <ogra> (whic is what our kiosk plugin does)
[11:32] <Jane_ux> ok, really usefull, i ll have a look :)
[11:32] <ogra> you will still have to do the lockdown manually though but only have to care for that one image
[11:33] <ogra> and you need slightly more beefy clients since they run a ful desktop
[11:33] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:33] <ogra> (stndard ltsp ony runs X and dm the ltsp display manager)
[11:33] <Jane_ux> but i ll try first to make the client run everything remotely
[11:33] <ogra> *ldm
[11:34] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:34] <Jane_ux> do u think
[11:34] <Jane_ux> if i configure first the host computer with all the set up and lock donw things
[11:34] <Jane_ux> and then i create the ltsp image, the clients will av the same configuration as the host
[11:35] <Jane_ux> or i av to lock down everything again in the clients image??
[11:35] <ogra> if you do this workstation thing from the doc above you wil have to do it again in the image
[11:36] <ogra> if you use ltsp the standard way the changes you make to the server desktop will just apply
[11:36] <Jane_ux> ouuug
[11:36] <Jane_ux> ahhh nice to read d second line :)
[11:37] <ogra> :)
[11:37] <Jane_ux> i ll use d ltsp way
[11:37] <Jane_ux> thanks again
[11:37] <Jane_ux> anyway
[11:37] <Jane_ux> where are you from??
[11:37] <ogra> germany
[11:37] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:38] <Jane_ux> im spanish but i live in uk, london
[11:38] <ogra> ah, nice
[11:38] <Jane_ux> ok, i am with d idesk thing now
[11:39] <Jane_ux> do u work for ubuntu??
[11:39] <ogra> yep
[11:40] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:40] <Jane_ux> and r u here every day??
[11:40] <ogra> yep ... usually
[11:41] <Jane_ux> nice :)
[11:41] <Jane_ux> its nice to know that here some1 can answer ur questions
[11:41] <Jane_ux> usefully
[11:41] <Jane_ux> :)
[11:42] <ogra> well, i'm not alone there are 25 other people apart from us two here  ... most/many of the cn help even if i'm not around ;)
[11:42] <Jane_ux> kooool
[11:42] <ogra> but i'm probably the best resource though ...
[11:43] <Jane_ux> lol :)
[11:43] <ogra> <-- creator/maintainer of edubuntu ... and coder of the most parts of ltsp5
[11:43] <Jane_ux> ok in september my company will need an edubuntu/ltsp consultant
[11:43] <Jane_ux> i ll recomend u.. :)
[11:44] <Jane_ux> would u be interested??
[11:44] <ogra> heh, i sadly have a ton of other duties, but canonical offers services, i bet we can do something about that :)
[11:44] <Jane_ux> :) u busy boy
[11:44] <ogra> hehe :)
[11:44] <Jane_ux> anyway, we keep in touch
[11:45] <Jane_ux> and any quest i av, i ll contact u straigth away
[11:45] <Jane_ux> so b ready... lol
[11:45] <ogra> we're currently working with intel to get an edubuntu image going on their classmate PC, that eats most of my time
[11:46] <Jane_ux> ok so u prefer big companies, i see
[11:46] <Jane_ux> :)
[11:46] <Jane_ux> anyway, nice to see that big companies as intel are working deeply with open source
[11:46] <ogra> nah, i'm just a minion of the canonical management :) i do what they tell me :)
[11:46] <Jane_ux> :)
[11:47] <Jane_ux> are you allways ogra??
[11:47] <Jane_ux> or are there more ogra???
[11:47]  * ogra looks in the mirror ...
[11:48] <Jane_ux> ..
[11:48] <ogra> looks like it changed slightly the last 38  years .. but most of the time i feel like ogra, yes :)
[11:48] <Jane_ux> :)
[11:48] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:48] <Jane_ux> so we keep in touch
[11:48] <ogra> ... and sometimes it feels like there are more ... :)
[11:48] <ogra> sure :)
[11:49] <Jane_ux> anyway I am working for a tiny spanish company
[11:49] <Jane_ux> we implement client server arquitectures, and recently statr workin with ltsp
[11:49] <Jane_ux> nice to see there is good support
[11:49] <ogra> cool
[11:50] <Jane_ux> ok come on
[11:50] <ogra> we're having a good partnership with guadalinex going
[11:50] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:50] <ogra> i was in seville quite often the last years
[11:50] <Jane_ux> kool
[11:50] <Jane_ux> i live in north spain
[11:51] <Jane_ux> but been in seville few times
[11:51] <Jane_ux> nice place
[11:51] <Jane_ux> okk come on
[11:51] <Jane_ux> lets back to work
[11:51] <Jane_ux> :)
[11:53] <Jane_ux> heyyy
[11:53] <Jane_ux> idesk av not a GUI isnt it?
[11:54] <ogra> for configuration ? no i dont think so
[11:55] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:55] <ogra> i think the wiki describes how to configure it  ...
[11:55] <Jane_ux> yep, really self explanatory, really complete, i am aving a read
[11:56] <Jane_ux> but isnt there any other method to lock d icons, in a more straight way
[11:56] <ogra> sadly nautilus is missing that
[11:56] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:57] <Jane_ux> i ll use idesk then, thanks for ur time
[11:57] <Jane_ux> cya around
[11:57] <ogra> ciao :)
[12:13] <ogra> RichEd, meet Jane_ux :)
[12:14] <ogra> Jane_ux, RichEd is our educational programme manager at canonical
[12:14] <Jane_ux> heyyy
[12:14] <Jane_ux> niceeee
[12:14] <Jane_ux> hi riched
[12:14] <RichEd> hi Jane_ux
[12:14] <RichEd> hi ogra :)
[12:14] <Jane_ux> heyy
[12:15] <ogra> if you need support, partnership or other stuff ralted to educational means, he is the person to talk to
[12:15] <ogra> *related
[12:15] <Jane_ux> ok nice to know that
[12:15] <Jane_ux> i writte it down :)
[12:15] <RichEd> where are you involved Jane_ux ?
[12:16] <Jane_ux> we have a company, small one, which implement client server architectures
[12:16] <Jane_ux> and as i told to ogra, we have started recently to work with ltsp
[12:16] <Jane_ux> and ubuntu
[12:17] <Jane_ux> heyyy ogra, i cannot uncheck the show_desktop key, even as sudo
[12:17] <Jane_ux> should i change any permission???
[12:17] <ogra> do you try that in sabayon ?
[12:18] <Jane_ux> nope
[12:18] <ogra> hmm
[12:18] <ogra> strange, it should just work
[12:18] <Jane_ux> but i ll try it
[12:18] <RichEd> do you have education clients Jane_ux
[12:18] <Jane_ux> it says: Can't overwrite existing read-only value: Can't overwrite existing read-only value: Value for `/apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop' set in a read-only source at the front of your configuration path
[12:18] <Jane_ux> not really education, though we work with edubuntu too
[12:19] <ogra> yu are at /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop ?
[12:19] <Jane_ux> we approach companies to implement ltsp machines
[12:19] <Jane_ux> yep
[12:19] <ogra> hmm, works fine here
[12:20] <ogra> did you make anything readonly or did you lock down anything with pessulus that could cause that ?
[12:20] <Jane_ux> okok
[12:21] <Jane_ux> i guess so
[12:21] <Jane_ux> the file access permissions in desktop as set to ---
[12:22] <Jane_ux> may  they be read and write???
[12:22] <ogra> they should, yes
[12:24] <Jane_ux> omg, i cannot change the permissions
[12:24] <Jane_ux> it come back to ---
[12:31] <Jane_ux> dont know wats happend
[12:31] <Jane_ux> folder permission in desktop are "create and delete files"
[12:32] <Jane_ux> i can change all the keys except show_desktop
[12:34] <Jane_ux> ok, i can uncheck it as a normal user, but not with sudo
[12:35] <Jane_ux> heyy ogra, can u uncheck it as sudo??
[12:35] <ogra> yes, thats what i tries
[12:35] <ogra> *tried
[12:36] <ogra> i suspect that either sabayon or a pessulussetting is responsible for you not being able to
[12:36] <Jane_ux> yep i guess so, i ll av a look, thanks
[12:36] <Jane_ux> now at least is uncheck it for my user
[12:37] <Jane_ux> i set up idesk correctly
[12:37] <Jane_ux> u said i av to tell the comp to make idesk control the desktop, how can i do that
[12:38] <ogra> system->preferences->sessions
[12:38] <ogra> add a new startup program
[12:39] <Jane_ux> ok
[12:39] <Jane_ux> and command idesk, isnt it?
[12:41] <ogra> i think so
[12:41] <Jane_ux> ok
[12:41] <Jane_ux> last question
[12:41] <Jane_ux> to lock the drag option
[12:42] <Jane_ux> i just av to remove the line " Drag: left hold"
[12:42] <Jane_ux> from .ideskrc???
[12:43] <Jane_ux> never mind
[12:43] <Jane_ux> i ll try that anyway
[12:43] <Jane_ux> thanks again
[12:58] <Jane_ux> :(
[12:58] <Jane_ux> nothing
[12:59] <Jane_ux> i dont know why i cant uncheck the show_desktop
[12:59] <Jane_ux> i tried everything
[12:59] <Jane_ux> i misconfigured something
[12:59] <Jane_ux> i dont know what
[12:59] <ogra> very likely
[13:00]  * ogra doesnt know what either
[13:00] <Jane_ux> any idea
[13:00] <ogra> not really
[13:00] <ogra> did you set any filesystem permissions manually on the commandline ?
[13:00] <Jane_ux> maybe if sabayon is installed its overwrite the permissions??
[13:00] <Jane_ux> from the commandline nop
[13:00] <ogra> hmm, that might be, not sure
[13:00] <Jane_ux> from nautilus yes, yesterday
[13:01] <Jane_ux> but i changed everything again to the normal statate
[13:01] <Jane_ux> do you have sabayon installed??
[13:03] <ogra> nope
[13:04] <Jane_ux> ok
[13:04] <Jane_ux> mayb its that
[13:22] <Jane_ux> ok, im still lookin for show_desktop permissions
[13:22] <Jane_ux> ogra, do you know where the show_desktop permissions are??
[13:22] <Jane_ux> i tried everythin
[13:23] <Jane_ux> not luck
[14:14] <Jane_ux> hiya
[14:15] <Jane_ux> ogra are you there??
[14:20] <Jane_ux> any1
[14:21] <Jane_ux> I cant change the gconf key app>nautilus>preferences>show_desktop
[14:21] <Jane_ux> its says "This key is not writable"
[14:21] <Jane_ux> any idea?? iam geting crazy with that
[14:29] <ogra> Jane_ux, not really, sorry
[14:29] <Jane_ux> ok
[14:30] <Jane_ux> is there anyway to reset the system permissions to default??
[21:06] <edgardo> algun docente por aqui?


[06:58] <knightwise> Is this going to be an election free channel today ?
[07:00] <acheronuk> what election?
[07:00]  * acheronuk runs
[07:01] <knightwise> Hope so.. have turned off the radio at the office for the day
[07:01] <daftykins> good morning \o
[07:02] <knightwise> hey foobarry
[07:02] <knightwise> hey daftykins
[07:10] <daftykins> ah ongoing drama with my gas company, they finally get the bill right but magically add 10p to the total on the final line - i'm not entertaining that, so i paid them 10p less :P
[07:11] <knightwise> My ISP seems to have forgotten about me .  :-P
[10:28] <daftykins> ooh that's good
[10:29] <popey> foobarry: my grape vine overhangs next doors garden
[10:29] <popey> they poke it back over our fence
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> get a doorbell that plays o fortuna...
[10:29] <daftykins> if they'd complain, popey would hear it through the grapevine... *whistle*
[10:30] <foobarry> since he is retired and crazy his capacity to whinge at network rail and the council about imaginary things is endless
[10:31] <zmoylan-pi> you need a low level constant ally against him... throw bird seed on his roof...  Sounds like he needs to be in a care home.
[10:39] <foobarry> my mum reckons he's been like it for 40 years
[10:39] <foobarry> she remembers him from the olden days
[10:39] <zmoylan-pi> this is not an old thing, this is a control thing, he sounds like a control freak
[10:40] <foobarry> yes
[10:40] <foobarry> obviously on meds...sometimes
[10:40] <zmoylan-pi> i *love* breaking those people...
[10:40] <zmoylan-pi> first rule 'love thine enemy, it drives them even more nuts'
[10:41] <foobarry> gonna set up a raspberry pi camera  discretely
[10:41] <foobarry> hard to get the right angle though
[10:41] <foobarry> he even took offence to me getting a burgalr alarm
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> i'd use wildlife cams in garden... put a bird feeder in for it to watch too...
[12:29] <diddledan> omg, they ruined it! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37904703
[12:29] <zmoylan-pi> i saw... it's horrible
[12:30] <davmor2> diddledan: it's because they don't make enough money with the rest of the chunks in
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> it's deception
[12:31] <foobarry> they want to get in the news
[12:31] <foobarry> they will change it back next week
[12:32] <foobarry> also, now want chocolate
[12:34]  * zmoylan-pi moseys to shop in rain for milk for tea...
[12:36] <popey> I'm off to Germany soon, I'll bring back loads of Toblerone from the airport and sell it on ebay here :D
[12:36] <diddledan> oh golly, I forgot, it's US election day
[12:40] <foobarry> today?
[12:40] <foobarry> when is the result
[12:40] <popey> 4-5am tomorrow
[12:40] <foobarry> although we all know the result is guaranteed bad
[12:40] <popey> could be longer if 'hanging chads' like GWB first election
[12:42] <diddledan> I've been told to watch pensylvania, ohio, and florida as key states
[12:43] <foobarry> hanging chads are a euphemism for tricky poos
[12:43] <diddledan> lmao
[12:45] <popey> lulz http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37909299
[13:23]  * daftykins fights to get his chair back from the cat - and sits down
[13:24]  * diddledan curls-up on daftykins' lap
[13:24] <daftykins> * chair breaks
[13:24] <diddledan> when you realise how huge I am, you'd see how hilarious it is that I would try curling-up on _anyone's_ lap :-p
[13:25] <diddledan> in other news, cute kitty cuddles ftw!
[13:25] <zmoylan-pi> the trick is to have a nice cushion on the chair.  the cat will sleep on that.  then you can pick up the cushion and put it on your lap so cat is not too disturbed
[13:25] <daftykins> ah well i have a whole sofa beside me here that she can claim for her own whilst i'm at the desk :>
[13:25] <zmoylan-pi> and you can also leave for loo/cup of tea by moving cushion as well
[13:32] <directhex> daf
[13:32] <directhex> gah
[13:32] <daftykins> fy duck
[13:32] <directhex> daftykins: i have a carrier bag on my desk. my cat *hates* carrier bags. i just crinkle it near her to reclaim any surface
[13:32] <daftykins> hehe
[13:32] <diddledan> you big meanie :-p
[13:34] <popey> hah
[13:39] <daftykins> must be something about folk with nicks starting 'di' *whistle*
[13:49] <diddledan> /nick dingleberry
[13:50] <diddledan> oh wait, that still begins with 'di' >.<
[13:50] <daftykins> XD
[13:50] <daftykins> the faciest of palms
[13:50] <diddledan> :-D
[13:51] <diddledan> /nick dinosaurdan
[13:51] <diddledan> >.<
[13:51] <diddledan> still 'di' :-p
[13:53] <daftykins> cottoneyedan
[13:53] <foobarry> what do i want for chrimstas from the in-laws?
[13:55] <diddledan> foobarry: knickers
[13:56] <foobarry> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/antsylabs/fidget-cube-a-vinyl-desk-toy ?
[13:56] <diddledan> err.. pants **
[13:56] <diddledan> :-p
[13:58] <daftykins> have them move in next door, whilst the old man is still there
[13:58] <foobarry> forgot to mention the old man often answers teh door bare chested and hangs his y-fronts in the porch to dry
[14:23] <daftykins> http://www.raintoday.co.uk/ - umm, it's cooooooming!
[14:24] <diddledan> gawd
[14:51] <Laney> might opt to not cycle to the pub quiz later ._.
[14:53] <daftykins> :D
[15:17] <foobarry> does anyone know if you lose ssh connections if ASA firewall rules are reloaded?
[15:23] <diddledan> foobarry: locked yourself out of a cisco?
[15:23] <foobarry> keep losing ssh connections
[15:23] <foobarry> suspect its when an ASA reloads changes
[15:23] <foobarry> ssh connection thru the fw
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it probably forgets its connection tracking state, and with it your ssh connection?
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> I've seen that a ton on Linux routers
[15:36] <foobarry> iptables doesn't though
[15:36] <foobarry> i reload that all the time
[15:37] <foobarry> and its not ssh keepliave issues
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> yeah but isnt "reload" on Cisco "reboot" on other devices?
[15:37] <foobarry> these are active non idle sessions
[15:37] <foobarry> thats what i need to find out
[15:41] <dogmatic69> is it possible to use the "host" machines keyring when sshing to another machine?
[15:41] <dogmatic69> eg: make the ssh session use keyring on the host... if that makes any sense
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: yes. Just don't forward your agent (it's insecure anyway), and it should pick keys from ~/.ssh/ on the host you shelled into
[15:42] <dogmatic69> not quite
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> if you want in-memory/stored keys, you can use something like "keychain"
[15:42] <dogmatic69> I am tyring to make credential.helper work on the sshed machine
[15:43] <dogmatic69> which uses gnomekeyring or something, but as I am sshed in it does not work. but my host is also ubuntu
[15:43] <dogmatic69> sorry credential.helper == git credential.helper
[15:43] <MartijnVdS> I don't think you can use gnome-keyring without a graphical session
[15:43] <MartijnVdS> so just use plain ssh-agent ;)
[15:47] <dogmatic69> nice
[15:47] <dogmatic69> got it working
[15:47] <dogmatic69> done: $(ssh-agent); ssh-add
[15:47] <dogmatic69> prompted for pw and that was it.
[15:58] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/bobbyllew/status/796018698763038720
[18:32] <brobostigon> http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/cm14-is-landing
[18:55] <diddledan> has america destroyed the world yet?
[18:55] <zmoylan-pi> 04:30 tomorrow see you then o/
[19:09] <davmor2> diddledan: just for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY
[19:09] <diddledan> :-)
[19:11] <davmor2> diddledan: and hopefully here is trumps anthem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSPaXgAdzE
[20:43] <diddledan> https://vine.co/v/553MMpAg2Ma
[20:44] <diddledan> I bet america has the biggest cyber
[20:44] <diddledan> when I was a teen, "cyber" meant x-rated chat
[20:45] <zmoylan-pi> hadn't even made scifi books when i was a kid...
[20:45] <diddledan> "wanna cyber" was a common first utterance on AOL instant messenger
[20:45] <zmoylan-pi> 1991 for first usage...
[22:38] <diddledan> early results are in: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/archive/Trump%20wins%20by%20landslide
[22:38] <diddledan> oh wait, https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/archive/Correction,%20Trump%20arrested%20for%20treason.%20Did%20not%20win%20election.
[22:39] <diddledan> then there's https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/archive/I%20have%20the%20best%20web%20developers.%20Everyone%20says%20how%20great%20they%20are
[22:42] <diddledan> I think I've worked-out the best option: https://twitter.com/GeekNation/status/796060212067078144
[22:43] <zmoylan-pi> i thought it was buy all the toblerone bars and hope you find a golden ticket for first trip to mars in it...


[00:06] <fishcooker> i've just finished dowloading the iso and the md5sum is match
[00:06] <fishcooker> how to burn it to sd card, using dd?
[00:07] <fishcooker> noted, wxl
[00:07] <fishcooker> is the selected apps to be voted or exclusively decided by lubuntu contib/developer only?
 the selected applications are decided collectively by 'general' input as well as what makes the most sense from a supportability perspective by the development teams in charge of Lubuntu
[00:23] <teward> oh they left
[00:23] <teward> bleh
[00:24] <teward> that's why telegram doesn't help there :P
 @teward [<teward> that's why telegram doesn't help there :P], You can type /names
[00:29] <kc2bez> When they leave as fast as they did you wouldn't think to check.
[00:30] <teward> *yawns*
 He was cooking a fish....
 Trm pm pm ps!
[00:50] <fishcooker> sorry im disconnected how to burn it to sd card, using dd?
[01:02] <teward> that'd be pretty simple
[01:03] <teward> but you can do damage with DD if you aren't careful, so you need to start by figuring out which disk in the output of `lsblk` on the command line is the SD card.
[01:03] <teward> fishcooker: also to answer your question about "is the selected apps to be voted or exclusively decided by lubuntu contib/developer only?"...
[01:03] <teward> ... the selected applications are decided collectively by 'general' input as well as what makes the most sense from a supportability perspective by the development teams in charge of Lubuntu
[01:03] <teward> developers, etc.
[01:03] <teward> all opinions are to my knowledge 'considered'
[01:03] <teward> but they make the ultimate final decisions
[01:04] <fishcooker> teward: how to burn it safely on lubuntu?
[01:04] <fishcooker> my friend on windows help me with the rufus for burning to disk
[01:05] <teward> i'm fairly certain you can't read since I told you the starting point:  you need to start by figuring out which disk in the output of `lsblk` on the command line is the SD card.
[01:07] <fishcooker> teward: noted, for the selected apps
[01:08] <teward> fishcooker: start by figuring out which disk is actually the SD card in the systme's devices.  Either with `lsblk` or `sudo fdisk -l`
[01:08] <teward> once you know the disk device we can move forward.
[01:09] <teward> `dd if=/path/to/lubuntu.iso of=/dev/DISKPATH bs=1M`  <-- this would do it, but we need more information before you even CONSIDER running this
[01:09] <teward> because you need to make sure the selected disk path is accurate.  It'll take time to write though
[01:25] <fishcooker> noted teward, cmiiw on windows we could do multiboot without erasing the disk content ? https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu#2
[01:26] <teward> not if you intend to use DD
[01:26] <teward> and Multiboot is unreliable as installation media nowadays
[01:26] <teward> (i've used it, it doesn't work well)
[01:31] <fishcooker> thanks for sharing about multiboot... i used to use it
[15:13] <zap0> when i try to shutdown, i get some annoying dialog saying "End this LxQt session?"  YES | NO.
[15:13] <zap0> how do i remove that thing
[15:16] <kc2bez> zap0: Click on the menu -> preferences -> LXQt Settings->  Session settings
[15:16] <kc2bez> Under leave session untick ask for confirmation.
[15:26] <zap0> thanks, that fixed it
[15:26] <kc2bez> You are welcome, I am glad it is fixed for you.
[16:12] <wibble_> tried to install skype in lubuntu 19.04 but its not  working properly.  please help
[16:13] <wibble_> restarted.  works now
[18:14] <moniker-> where do i add line forcepae -- forcepae in grub for lubuntu, im trying to dualboot lubuntu with windows 7 and installed lubuntu after 7 so now i have grub menu at boot, but it keeps rebooting since i have old pentium M processor i need to add forcepae somewhere
[19:23] <sappheiros> quassel doesn't display japanese text properly, so i am thinking to try weechat or hexchat
[19:24] <sappheiros> is this a known issue in lubuntu?
[19:26] <kc2bez> sappheiros: It sounds like a quassel issue. Would a custom font help? You can define a custom chat window font in the settings.
[19:32] <sappheiros> kc2bez: i mean 'known issue in lubuntu' in the sense of maybe switching to a default IRC client that doesn't have this problem
[19:32] <sappheiros> for the next release
[19:32] <sappheiros> kc2bez: i don't know how to change japanese font ...
[19:34] <tomreyn> moniker-: /etc/default/grub
[19:35] <tomreyn> moniker-: add it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT there and run  sudo update-grub
[19:36] <sappheiros> kc2bez: the custom font in chat & nick lists section only changes font in room list and nick list, not in chat window where the japanese line-cutoff problem occurs
[19:37] <kc2bez> sappheiros: Ok thanks for the update.
[19:38] <kc2bez> It seems like a great topic for the new forum, perhaps someone with more experience can chime in and it can spark some discussion.
[19:38] <kc2bez> https://discourse.lubuntu.me/
[19:39] <kc2bez> sappheiros: sorr I don't have any experience with that.
[19:39] <sappheiros> kc2bez: i'm trying weechat instead ...
[19:39] <kc2bez> *sorry
[19:39] <kc2bez> sappheiros: understood
[19:59] <sappheiros> do you understand https://weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_faq.en.html#use_256_colors ?
[19:59] <sappheiros> screen-256color?
[20:03] <kc2bez> sappheiros: Qterminal should be 256 color. you can verify by issuing `echo $TERM`
[20:04] <sappheiros> yep, seems already on in weechat if i understood the /color buffer screen
[20:04] <sappheiros> thanks
[20:04] <sappheiros> do you use weechat?
[20:05] <kc2bez> I haven't used it. I use Quassel but with a separate client/core setup.
[20:05] <kc2bez> That way I can stay connected and scrollback later. I can also connect with multiple clients.
[20:06] <sappheiros> hm. well, quassel has a japanese display problem ... but i guess that's not common enough to justify switching from quassel as default client: it does seem very good otherwise
[20:06] <sappheiros> for those coming from win or mac
[20:07] <sappheiros> and i don't know if it's for everyone on just me, either (the jp disp prob)
[20:07] <kc2bez> weechat seems like a good alternative however. You could setup an IRC bouncer
[20:07] <kc2bez> Yeah actually there are quassel clients for windows and mac.
[20:08] <Krennic> irssi
[20:08] <Krennic> is a nice terminal client
[20:10] <sappheiros> why is irssi > weechat?
[20:10] <sappheiros> what is an IRC bouncer?
[20:11] <Krennic> i like more irssi than weechat
 IRC bouncer is an always connected system that you can remote into.
[20:12] <Krennic> cause weechat you can set it even as clicking  irc client irssi not is more command line than weechat
[20:13] <sappheiros> Krennic: you dislike the ability to click?
[20:14] <Krennic> no
[20:15] <Krennic> but i like more  use as command line weechat is to a command line but i meant that you can use it as clicking client too
[20:17] <sappheiros> #quassel tells me it's a problem with my OS font config
[20:18] <Krennic> i dont know
[20:18] <Krennic> probably in quassel channel they can assit you
[20:21] <sappheiros> well, they say it's a lubuntu font config problem
[20:21] <kc2bez> In that case I would encourage you to file a bug.
[20:24] <sappheiros> will you add bug-filing info to https://manual.lubuntu.me/ ?
[20:24] <sappheiros> or to your channel topic?
[20:25] <kc2bez> We have it here https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
[20:26] <kc2bez> I will ping wxl to see if he can add it to the topic. ^
[20:27] <sappheiros> why is real name required to file a bug?
[20:27]  * sappheiros wants to remain anonymous online
[20:29] <sappheiros> i don't want to lie, but i don't want to sacrifice my anonymity, so requiring 'real name' is preventing me from filing bugs ...
[20:29] <kc2bez> I don't think everyone uses their real name.
[20:30]  * sappheiros reads https://askubuntu.com/questions/112434/is-there-a-real-name-policy-in-the-ubuntu-community
[21:25] <NewToLubuntu> anyone know a way to get separate tabs for 2 instances of firefox on taskbar instead of collapsed?