[06:39] <ctw> stdin: yeah, thanks so much!
[06:39] <Joshooa> Which do you guys prefer, Gaim or Kopete?
[06:39] <ctw> stdin: could my hard reset caused the file corruption?
[06:39] <stdin> :)
[06:39] <carutsu> raylo: actually i lied... in administrator i ant configure a printer
[06:39] <ctw> stdin: or is something wrong with the HD?
[06:40] <raylu> Kopete, though for some reason people will actually use Gaim on Windows
[06:40] <Joshooa> I had Gaim on windows
[06:40] <Joshooa> But now I don't want to ever use windows again
[06:40] <raylu> carutsu, I believe it's easier to get Windows clients to connect to a printer on Linux than vice-versa
[06:40] <raylu> kopete feels so much more customizable and smaller
[06:41] <stdin> ctw: it looks like corruption, so it's either that some files weren't written well at shutdown, or bad sectors on the disk, which is a bit more of a problem
[06:41] <carutsu> raylu 1)doesnt metter for me (unfortunetly) 2)i love kopete with its so useful skins
[06:42] <raylu> carutsu, er...why is it unfortunate that it doesn't matter?
[06:42] <raylu> oh, do you mean the printer has to be hooked up to the windows one?
[06:42] <carutsu> raylu: that its easier conecting windows to linux... i cant instal linux on "the server"
[06:42] <Joshooa> I just really started using Linux this week with Ubuntu, and after finally getting online and barely getting used to it, I switched to Kubuntu yesterday, and I feel all lost agaain
[06:43] <raylu> haha...nix clients connecting to windows servers...
[06:43] <raylu> use command-line, the universal interface!
[06:43] <carutsu> xD
[06:43] <raylu> actually...after using the linux shell for a few days, the windows cmd prompt seemed totally foreign to me
[06:44] <raylu> i kept typing ls and it kept saying "no, screw you"
[06:44] <carutsu> xD
[06:44] <ctw> stdin: it doesn't look like my computer is coming back ... I'll have to check on it tomorrow ... :(
[06:44] <carutsu> well i'd have to use "tha bad way" to print
[06:44] <ctw> stdin: thanks again so much I hope it's not something bad with the HD
[06:44] <raylu> carutsu, do you have any permission to do stuff on "the server?"
[06:45] <carutsu> yep
[06:45] <ctw> stdin: will the output of fsck tell me what the problem is?
[06:45] <Lamington> I once worked at this place where a guy who just finished univeristy showed me how to change all the DOS commands in hexadecimal
[06:45] <carutsu> raylu actually none of the users has password
[06:45] <Lamington> So I changed the commands to bash commands
[06:45] <Lamington> people went nuts
[06:45] <Peruna> how can I rename mounted drivers ?
[06:45] <raylu> lol...even in hex, wouldn't "dir" be too long for "ls?"
[06:45] <Peruna> like hda1 to Windows
[06:45] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. there are bash commands you can get for the windows shell.
[06:45] <Peruna> etc
[06:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:45] <stdin> ctw: yeah, it will be quite obvious if there are errors, normally fsck doesn't output much, so if you see some long lines, you know that something is wrong
[06:46] <raylu> cygwin has something like bash commands, I believe
[06:46] <raylu> but after installing openssh on windows, every bash command returned a cygwin error...
[06:46] <Dr_willis> theres alternatives to cygwin. :)
[06:46] <ubuntu> "Critical error during ped_disk_new!"
[06:46] <ubuntu> uhoh
[06:46] <Lamington> raylu: it was a long time ago now... I wouldnt remember how but I did change the commands to bash commands... hehe... you should have seen people try to use the DOS prompt
[06:46] <raylu> for Peruna's question, I believe you can unmount it, create a folder calld Windows, and mount it there
[06:46] <ubuntu> I cant acces the partition tables for my hdd
[06:47] <Peruna> oh
[06:47] <ctw> stdin: I just could log back in
[06:47] <raylu> but I'm not sure, and I was hoping someone else would answer that
[06:47] <ctw> stdin: what do I do now ... my computer is back online
[06:47] <Peruna> oh
[06:47] <ubuntu> I blame windows...
[06:47] <Peruna> thnx raylu
[06:48] <raylu> it worked?
[06:48] <stdin> ctw: 1st I'd delete the file "/var/cache/apt/archives/libcaca0_0.99.beta11.debian-2build1_i386.deb", then run "sudo apt-get --reinstall install libcaca0" again
[06:48] <ctw> stdin: I cecked in /var/logs/fsck
[06:48] <Peruna> can you tell me the way to unmount ?
[06:48] <Peruna> sudo unmount dev/hda1 ?
[06:48] <ctw> stdin: it looks good
[06:48] <raylu> Peruna, umount
[06:48] <Peruna> oh ok
[06:48] <ubuntu> I dont want to format my harddrive... This doesnt look good
[06:49] <raylu> actually, I think just "sudo umount hda1" will do it
[06:49] <raylu> but I usually don't mount stuff manually so, again, I'm not sure
[06:49] <Peruna> oh it says that hda1 not found
[06:49] <rpvonz> hi
[06:49] <stdin> raylu: no, you have to either use the mountpoint, or the device
[06:49] <rpvonz> just installed ati drivers for kubuntu...
[06:50] <rpvonz> and now signal is overrange...
[06:50] <rpvonz> told you i would screw up!
[06:50] <raylu> stdin, isn't hda1 the logical name for the device?
[06:51] <Joshooa> Joshooa:
[06:51] <ctw> stdin: I'm getting the same error :(
[06:51] <rpvonz> someone help me...
[06:51] <Joshooa> Just making sure it highlights
[06:51] <raylu> rpvonz, you'll have to describe in more detail
[06:51] <stdin> raylu: no, it's /dev/hda
[06:52] <stdin> ctw: the one with "debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: Bad file descriptordpkg-deb:" ?
[06:52] <rpvonz> i installed the fglrx drivers in ubuntu, it said i installed everything fine... the signal is over range now and it wont allow me too view, which is obviously a display error
[06:52] <rpvonz> kubuntu
[06:52] <Lamington> ?
[06:52] <nixternal> rpvonz: LCD?
[06:52] <Dr_willis> overrange?
[06:52] <rpvonz> yes
[06:52] <rpvonz> exactly\
[06:52] <nixternal> rpvonz: press the Auto-Config button on your LCD if you have one. that fixes it for me everytime
[06:52] <Peruna> I tried : sudo umount /dev/hda1 << error: not mounted
[06:52] <ctw> stdin: http://pastebin.ca/384622
[06:52] <stdin> Dr_willis: probably same as "out of range"
[06:52] <ctw> stdin: here's the error ... it looks like the first one I had
[06:53] <rpvonz> dr willis: yes out of range is the same
[06:53] <rpvonz> are you sure the button will work?
[06:53] <raylu> Peruna, mount -l
[06:53] <rpvonz> ill probably be back
[06:53] <rpvonz> *probably
[06:53] <rpvonz> =)
[06:53] <nixternal> I would get that every now and then as it seems when leaving the bootup procedure, the lcd wouldn't refresh and would get stuck at a lower res then what was being pushed
[06:53] <rpvonz> kk
[06:54] <Peruna> I already have hda1 in use atm
[06:54] <rpvonz> that sounds perfectly plausible, thanks for all your guys' help
[06:54] <raylu> Peruna, what do you mean in use?
[06:54] <nixternal> rpvonz: not guaranteeing it, because if it works for me, it may not work for you, but just a shot in the dark :)
[06:54] <Peruna> driver list has hda1 folder
[06:54] <Peruna> so I think the driver is mounted
[06:55] <raylu> Peruna, er...you mean drive?
[06:55] <Peruna> media folder has hda1
[06:55] <raylu> Peruna, oh, you tried the thing I said, not what stdin said, I think
[06:55] <raylu> use: umount /dev/hda
[06:55] <ctw> stdin: hold on, I think I might have found a way to solve the problem
[06:56] <ctw> stdin: give me a min
[06:56] <Peruna> umount dev/hda1
[06:56] <Peruna> umount: dev/hda1 is not mounted (according to mtab)
[06:56] <Peruna> ./dev/hda1 is not mounted (according to mtab)
[06:56] <stdin> Peruna: put a / bedore dev, it's important
[06:57] <Peruna> same result
[06:57] <Dr_willis> heh..
[06:57] <raylu> it actually says "/dev/hda1" isn't mounted? o.0
[06:57] <Peruna> yeah
[06:57] <Dr_willis> i always mount /media/hda1
[06:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:57] <Dr_willis> but i dont think it matters
[06:58] <Dr_willis> mount | grep hda
[06:58] <Dr_willis> see if it says its mounted.
[06:58] <Peruna> actually hda1 has been there in /media/ since I installed Kubuntu
[06:58] <Peruna> umount dev/hda1
[06:58] <Peruna> umount: dev/hda1 is not mounted (according to mtab)
[06:59] <Peruna> oops
[06:59] <Peruna> ./dev/disk/by-uuid/7A6C50026C4FB821 on /media/hda1 type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,allow_other)
[06:59] <raylu> what the hell?
[06:59] <dasickis> how do you get suspend to work?
[06:59] <stdin> heh, UUIDs :P
[06:59] <rpvonz> lol it didn't work
[06:59] <rpvonz> apparently my monitor doesn't let me do anything when its over range
[07:00] <stdin> Peruna: try "umount /media/hda1" instead
[07:00] <raylu> o.0, so what's with this UUID thing?
[07:00] <dasickis> rpvonz: who are you talking to ?
[07:00] <Peruna> umount: /media/hda1 mount disagrees with the fstab
[07:00] <rpvonz> idk
[07:00] <Peruna> with -l ?
[07:00] <raylu> the channel, i suppose; a bunch of people helped him
[07:00] <stdin> !uuid | raylu
[07:00] <ubotu> raylu: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[07:00] <rpvonz> someone who gave me that crappy answer =)
[07:00] <raylu> Peruna, mount -l lists everything about what's mounted
[07:00] <LL_Hakaisou> !firewall
[07:00] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:00] <dasickis> oo i thought it was directed to me but there's like 10 conversations in this place at once
[07:00] <stdin> raylu: it's a unique identifier for each partition
[07:00] <Peruna> oh
[07:00] <ctw> stdin: Bingo! It all works now!
[07:01] <raylu> stdin, i did that already, but I don't
[07:01] <raylu> oh
[07:01] <LL_Hakaisou> !Guarddog
[07:01] <ctw> stdin: thanks so much for your help
[07:01] <Peruna> sigh not working
[07:01] <ctw> stdin: I followed your advice from earlier
[07:01] <ctw> stdin: and re-installed several libraries
[07:01] <ctw> stdin: and now it all works again
[07:01] <stdin> raylu: you could shrink, grow, or move the partition, and the UUID would be the same
[07:01] <rpvonz> so should i just reinstall kubuntu since the signal is overrange because of the fglrx drivers
[07:01] <ctw> stdin: yey!
[07:01] <stdin> ctw: wooh :P
[07:01] <rpvonz> ...this is why i still have windows...
[07:02] <dasickis> rpvonz: can't u just uninstall the fglrx drivers?
[07:02] <raylu> !gawk
[07:02] <ubotu> gawk: GNU awk, a pattern scanning and processing language. In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.1.5.dfsg-4 (edgy), package size 454 kB, installed size 1940 kB
[07:02] <rpvonz> ahem i'm a newb at linux dasickis
[07:02] <dasickis> rpvonz: and use the generic ati drivers?
[07:02] <stdin> ctw: those were some fun errors to sort out :P
[07:02] <rpvonz> i used generic i think...
[07:02] <rpvonz> fglrx is generic right?
[07:02] <dasickis> wait so what's your problem?
[07:03] <stdin> rpvonz: no
[07:03] <rpvonz> signal overragne
[07:03] <dasickis> no its the propietary driver
[07:03] <rpvonz> ah
[07:03] <rpvonz> i dont like generic...
[07:03] <stdin> rpvonz: "ati" is the open driver (IIRC)
[07:03] <ctw> stdin: I didn't even know where to start ... I had never seen that before
[07:03] <ctw> stdin: I thought it was a feisty issue
[07:03] <rpvonz> well... why do my windows lag...
[07:03] <ctw> stdin: but when my computer at home didn't have those problems, I got suspicious
[07:03] <stdin> ctw: truth is, I'd never seen those errors before either
[07:04] <scarvell> rpvonz: you running XGL or Beryl in the background?
[07:04] <dasickis> ctw: is feisty a lot of trouble to upgrade to?
[07:04] <ctw> stdin: at least you seem to have some better linux problem solving skillz than I ... :)
[07:04] <Joshooa> stdin: Did you say something to me just a minute ago?
[07:04] <ctw> dasickis: it was really easy
[07:04] <mardi> anyone here use knode and knows how to filter cross posts?
[07:04] <dasickis> oo ok
[07:04] <ctw> dasickis: the easiest upgrade so far
[07:04] <dasickis> ctw: does suspend work well?
[07:04] <stdin> Joshooa: nope, not that I can see
[07:05] <ctw> dasickis: definitely better than edgy
[07:05] <dasickis> ctw: thanks
[07:05] <ctw> dasickis: suspend has worked for me
[07:05] <dasickis> ctw: nice i'll upgrade now
[07:05] <Joshooa> Hmm, okay, I closed Kopete and it said that i had one from you, oh well guess nt
[07:05] <ctw> dasickis: better than edgy was meant for the install
[07:05] <ctw> dasickis: but I haven't had problems with suspend
[07:05] <stdin> ctw: years of fixing my own f***-ups :P
[07:05] <rpvonz> scarvell: no i'm not running xgl, thats kinda why i want the ati drivers.. =)
[07:06] <dasickis> rpvonz: are u trying to run compiz or something?
[07:06] <rpvonz> dasickis: yes, kinda...
[07:07] <dasickis> ctw: what's the best way to replace all the edgy instances in sources.list
[07:07] <dasickis> ?
[07:07] <sparr> i ran a game and now im stuck in 640x400 resolution.  kde control center cant change it, xrandr cant change it.  help?
[07:07] <dasickis> rpvonz: what directions did you follow?
[07:07] <rpvonz> dasickis: the ones on the ubuntu help...
[07:08] <dasickis> ctw: I'm want to learn how to do it via command line (CL)
[07:08] <LL_Hakaisou> ack o_0
[07:08] <ctw> dasickis: search and replace edgy -> feisty
[07:08] <LL_Hakaisou> i'll have to play with guarddog later
[07:08] <dasickis> ctw: what's the CL verison of that
[07:08] <ctw> dasickis: I've seen some instructions for a comand line command that does it, and that's what I used, but I had to look it up
[07:08] <ctw> dasickis: and I don't remember anymore
[07:08] <dasickis> ctw: oo thanks
[07:08] <ctw> dasickis: google it
[07:08] <stdin> dasickis: sudo sed -e 's/\sedgy/ feisty/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:08] <Joshooa> Can someone say my name so I can see what it will look like?
[07:08] <dasickis> i was thinking sed
[07:09] <ctw> stdin: I think there was something similar, but I'm sure that works too
[07:09] <dasickis> stdin: i need to learn regex do you have any good tutorials you know of besides google?
[07:09] <stdin> Joshooa
[07:10] <stdin> dasickis: I only know what I've experimented with, and with the help of kregexpeditor
[07:10] <dasickis> stdin: thanks that'll be quite handy
[07:10] <ctw> ok, got to go thanks again for the hlep
[07:11] <dasickis> after the feisty upgrade I need to restart right?
[07:11] <stdin> you can go with a sense of accomplishment now ctw :)
[07:11] <stdin> dasickis: yeah, to boot the new kernel
[07:12] <scarvell> DC SEND xenoix LINUX_ubuntu_6.10_ati_driver_and_support.txt
[07:12] <scarvell> oh whoops
[07:12] <scarvell> forgot the /
[07:12] <scarvell> XD
[07:12] <stdin> :P
[07:12] <dasickis> stdin: yeah I figured but it's always a pain
[07:14] <sparr> something has royally f*cked my xorg.conf.  it now has only 5 resolutions, not including my max 1280x1024, including some weird ones like 1280x854.  X is now running with a viewport.  pre-reboot, xrandr listed a dozen valid resolutions.  help?
[07:14] <stdin> dasickis: this box has been online for 4 days, that's short for what I normally do, but with all the feisty updates, sometimes you need to restart
[07:14] <dasickis> stdin: once I upgrade to feisty I'll lose all my kernel changes right?
[07:14] <dasickis> stdin: yeah, it just reminds me of windoze days
[07:14] <stdin> dasickis: yeah, feisty is on 2.6.20-9 now, but you can still use the old kernel, it shouldn't be uninstalled
[07:15] <dasickis> stdin: oo no that's good, I've made so many changes I needed to rollback
[07:15] <dasickis> stdin: I've had to install edgy so many times because of my experimentations
[07:15] <dasickis> stdin: I'm pretty sure my HP is going to die soon due to my abuse
[07:16] <stdin> dasickis: nah, I've been abusing my HP for years :P
[07:16] <dasickis> stdin: but there's no other way for me to learn except without testing everything to its limits
[07:16] <dasickis> stdin: that's good to hear because my HP always sounds like death
[07:16] <stdin> dasickis: but I did have a HDD blowup one
[07:16] <dasickis> stdin: they make pretty good stuff
[07:16] <dasickis> stdin: lol wow
[07:17] <stdin> dasickis: yeah, it was quite a surprise :P
[07:17] <scarvell> i also recently lost a hdd
[07:17] <scarvell> it died :(
[07:17] <dasickis> stdin: actually my external died
[07:17] <dasickis> stdin: i'm trying to see if its under seagate warranty but I can't find out
[07:17] <dasickis> stdin: I think it was because I naively pulled it out without unmounting
[07:18] <dasickis> stdin: i did this multiple times, quite stupid on my part
[07:18] <stdin> dasickis: yeah, just ask ctw about unmounting cleanly, he knows :P
[07:18] <dasickis> stdin: but you live and learn so it's not all lost i learned pretty good lesson
[07:19] <dasickis> stdin: what happend with him?
[07:19] <dasickis> stdin: happened*
[07:19] <stdin> dasickis: pulled the power, and this heppend: http://pastebin.ca/384576
[07:19] <albert> !hidden
[07:19] <ubotu> Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles . This will be removed in Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[07:20] <stdin> dasickis: lots of files got screwed
[07:20] <dasickis> stdin: wow, yeah I lost a lot of stuff as well but I think I can recover them somehow I just need to buy another harddrive sorta blows
[07:21] <mardi> anyone here use knode and knows how to filter cross posts?
[07:21] <raylu> ack
[07:21] <raylu> guarddog disabled all protocols by default...
[07:22] <stdin> dasickis: yeah, I lost some data when mine went, as the disks got warped and I didn't want to spend thousands on data recovery, but I keep good backups, so it wasn't too bad
[07:23] <Lamington> hey folks
[07:23] <dasickis> stdin: yeah next comp I build will use RAID 0+1
[07:23] <Lamington> I got someone here who wants to put Linux on a machine with only 64meg of ram
[07:23] <Lamington> any suggestions ?
[07:23] <dasickis> stdin: and I'll invest in an external for critical data
[07:23] <raylu> Lamington, xfce, of course
[07:24] <Lamington> xfce in 64meg ?
[07:24] <Lamington> u sure ?
[07:24] <stdin> Lamington: xubuntu maybe
[07:24] <raylu> If i can run servers on WinME on 64MB of RAM, it better work :D
[07:24] <Lamington> xubuntu needs 128meg
[07:24] <raylu> oh...guess not...
[07:24] <dasickis> use DSL
[07:24] <Lamington> nooo
[07:24] <dasickis> or slax
[07:24] <Lamington> slax... hmmm
[07:25] <me2win_> dont even need xfce, just use CLI
[07:25] <stdin> Lamington: 64MB isn't going to be able to do much nowadays
[07:25] <dasickis> fluxbox
[07:25] <dasickis> is used with DSL
[07:25] <Lamington> stdin: yes I know
[07:26] <raylu> To run the Desktop CD (LiveCD + Install CD), you need 128 MB RAM to run or 192 MB RAM to install. The Alternate Install CD only required you to have 64 MB RAM.
[07:26] <raylu> (from the xubuntu website)
[07:26] <Lamington> aww man
[07:27] <Lamington> you need 96meg of ram to run Slax with Fluxbox
[07:27] <albert> hmm my hidden files aren't shown in the navigation-area of the konqueror
[07:27] <dasickis> Lamington: what's wrong with DSL?
[07:27] <stdin> 64MB would be ok for a text only server, but for any GUI desktop, you'll probably need more
[07:27] <Lamington> yeah
[07:28] <albert> !firewall
[07:28] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:28] <raylu> actually...you'd be surprised how far 64MB takes you....
[07:29] <dasickis> Lamington: you could try installing ubuntu alternate cd and then install fluxbox on top of that
[07:29] <Lamington> hmm
[07:30] <dasickis> or or use twm
[07:30] <dasickis> tab window manager
[07:32] <mardi> anyone here use knode and knows how to filter cross posts?
[07:33] <raylu> where are the log files for guarddog/iptables?
[07:34] <Peruna> How can I add/remove driver icons on Desktop ?
[07:34] <stdin> raylu: in syslog
[07:34] <raylu> um...where's that?
[07:34] <raylu> Peruna, mounted drives or drivers?
[07:34] <Peruna> mounted ones
[07:35] <stdin> raylu: /var/log/syslog
[07:35] <adydas_> Is there a search function simlar to windows search that i can use to search a folder for files? and folders?
[07:35] <raylu> Peruna, right-click > new > shortcut, I believe
[07:35] <raylu> adydas_, it's in the KMenu
[07:35] <adydas_> i must pass it so many times a day
[07:36] <Peruna> rayla: oh lol thnx
[07:37] <Peruna> rayla: how about removing ? I have usbdisk and hda1 and would like to remove them ( Delete doesnt work, gives error)
[07:37] <milardovich> somebody who uses python with apache??
[07:37] <milardovich> pleaseeeeeeeeee
[07:39] <raylu> !question | milardovich
[07:39] <ubotu> milardovich: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:39] <raylu> Peruna, you could either safely remove...or tell me what error
[07:39] <raylu> (safely remove basically means unmount)
[07:39] <milardovich> ok, i cant install python module on my apache on my kubuntu edgy eft
[07:40] <raylu> what have you done so far?
[07:40] <saw2434> I believe I successfully installed kubuntu on my external hard drive, but when I select to boot from the "usb device" my computer doesn't do anything.
[07:40] <saw2434> Can anyone help?
[07:40] <Peruna> raylu: hda1 can't be unmounted ( no idea why not) and can't be deleted either
[07:41] <me2win_> saw2434: make sure the usb port you are using in on the motherboard
[07:41] <me2win_> saw2434: not PCI and not in the front
[07:41] <raylu> Peruna, do you want to remove it from your desktop or unmount it
[07:41] <saw2434> me2win: So I assume in the back would suffice?
[07:42] <Peruna> remove from desktop
[07:42] <me2win_> saw2434: yeah, as long as it isnt in a PCI one
[07:42] <intelikey> it's taking ages/eons/eternities... to remove all these packages...
[07:42] <raylu> Peruna, darn :(. I never actually understood what the icon on the desktop meant
[07:42] <raylu> and I've never worked up the courage for sudo rm
[07:42] <intelikey> well several minutes then.
[07:42] <saw2434> me2win: the first time I tried, the screen went black and did some weird thinkgs, then it eventually booted into windows
[07:43] <saw2434> the second time i tried the screen just went black with a white curser blinking in the top left hand corner
[07:43] <Peruna> :(
[07:44] <saw2434> me2win: I read somewhere that changing the boot order to have the usb device boot before the main hd would work...but isn't that if I primarily want to use kubuntu?
[07:45] <raylu> saw2434, it seems like it already is prioritizing the usb device before the hd
[07:45] <raylu> the problem seems to be with the install on the hd
[07:45] <intelikey> saw2434 grub can be set to default to any os and can display a menu of the installed/bootable os's
[07:45] <saw2434> raylu: well i still have to select the external from the boot menu
[07:45] <intelikey> so can lilo.
[07:45] <raylu> saw2434, oh...then yes, you're correct
[07:46] <raylu> either way, I wouldn't worry about it until the install on your usb drive worked
[07:46] <raylu> intelikey, do you prefer lilo or grub?
[07:46] <saw2434> intelikey: I know I installed the grub to /dev/sdb1...could that be the problem? sdb was my external hard drive
[07:46] <raylu> (and why does ubotu recommend grub)
[07:47] <intelikey> raylu i am forced to use lilo.  grub is too weak to boot partitionless disks.
[07:47] <raylu> intelikey, in that case, do you happen to know where I could configure grub?
[07:48] <intelikey> saw2434 yes you should not install to a partition if you intend it to be the primary boot loader.
[07:48] <intelikey> raylu yes.  /boot/grub/menu.lst      also /boot/grub/devices.list   i think that's the name...
[07:49] <saw2434> intelikey: so I should install it to my hda? how will that work if I want to dual boot with windows?
[07:49] <intelikey> saw2434 it will let you choose windows or linux.  that's what a boot loader does.
[07:49] <raylu> intelikey, oh, I was hoping for a gui config like there was in suse/yast...i'll have a look
[07:50] <intelikey> boot loaders facilitate a means for choosing what os you wish to "boot" .
[07:50] <LL_Hakaisou> !comtroller
[07:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about comtroller - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:50] <LL_Hakaisou> whoops
[07:50] <LL_Hakaisou> hmmm
[07:50] <intelikey> raylu yeah.  i think there is.  in kcontrol maybe  not sure.
[07:51] <LL_Hakaisou> question...
[07:51] <intelikey> raylu a pointy clicky thingy... ^
[07:51] <raylu> ?
[07:51] <LL_Hakaisou> is there any way to use my corded XBox 360 controller inside Kubuntu?
[07:51] <intelikey> as i said i'm not sure.
[07:52] <intelikey> LL_Hakaisou i'm sure there is.   but don't get me started lying about howto.  it's really not my turn...
[07:52] <saw2434> thanks intelikey
[07:53] <LL_Hakaisou> lol
[07:53] <LL_Hakaisou> i actually have found a howto for it
[07:53] <LL_Hakaisou> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=164040&highlight=xbox+controller
[07:54] <intelikey> just camping out in cyber space, chillin' wif my homeys...  digin' on the scens and grovin' to .ogg files
[07:55] <intelikey> NO. I AM NOT A HIPPY !
[07:55] <LL_Hakaisou> lawl
[07:55] <LL_Hakaisou> and now for my current project
[07:55] <LL_Hakaisou> installing moto4lin
[07:55] <LL_Hakaisou> !moto4lin
[07:55] <ubotu> moto4lin: file manager and seem editor for Motorola phones (like C380/C650). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3+cvs20050925-2 (edgy), package size 141 kB, installed size 472 kB
[07:56] <intelikey> i just ran like this command as root... is that a bad thing ?
[07:56] <intelikey> for Q in $(dpkg -l | grep '^ii ' | cut -d ' ' -f3 )
[07:56] <intelikey>     do apt-get remove --purge -y $Q
[07:56] <intelikey> done
[07:57] <intelikey> sure is a lot of disk activity.
[07:57] <LL_Hakaisou> o_0
[07:57] <mardi> anyone here use knode and knows how to filter cross posts?
[07:57] <LL_Hakaisou> *raises blast shield*
[07:58] <intelikey> i'm given' er' all she's got cappin'
[07:58] <LL_Hakaisou> g++
[07:58] <LL_Hakaisou> !g++
[07:58] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:58] <intelikey> ah man there went xorg
[07:59] <LL_Hakaisou> uhoh
[07:59] <raylu> intelikey, I don't see the gui-ed grub config...lots of fun stuff to play with though :D
[07:59] <LL_Hakaisou> reboot wiht F8 in safe mode intelikey
[07:59] <VanessaE> ew
[07:59] <intelikey> just wait until it tries to remove dpkg    lol
[08:00] <VanessaE> and I thought I was a masochist for running feisty this soon :)
[08:00] <intelikey> no i really ran that command.  i'm uninstalling all packages that can be uninstalled by apt without  "Yes, I know this is a bad idea, now do as i say!"
[08:00] <VanessaE> lol
[08:01] <intelikey> raylu hmmm there may not be one.    obviously i can't check right now...
[08:02] <raylu> yeah, it's fine; thanks
[08:03] <intelikey> my system was getting too personal for me...    like there was nothing left to configure in the box and i had started reconfiguring the user....  can't have that....
[08:03] <me2win_> get gentoo
[08:04] <intelikey> yeah i had it installed and configured too
[08:04] <intelikey> oh you mean the distro.  :)
[08:04] <LL_Hakaisou> uggh
[08:04] <LL_Hakaisou> now, i don't mind how linux installations work anymore
[08:04] <raylu> woo hoo.
[08:04] <raylu> let's hope I didn't screw up my grubloader :D
[08:04] <intelikey> me2win_ dialup prevents such extensive downloading...
[08:05] <LL_Hakaisou> but jesus christ i hate it when i'm fucking with the configure>make>make install format and i find an apt-get entry for the proggy i'm working with
[08:05] <intelikey> yeah don't that make you blow beans ...
[08:06] <LL_Hakaisou> yea
[08:06] <LL_Hakaisou> meh, whatever
[08:06] <LL_Hakaisou> I also wish i had a log of programs i have installed on my system
[08:06] <intelikey> dpkg -l > installed.log
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> LL_Hakaisou: there is a way to do it
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> sec
[08:08] <LL_Hakaisou> hey, that would be nifty
[08:08] <me2win_> intelikey: most people like gentoo because it is so customizable, or at least that they can compile with so many options
[08:08] <deathnote> hi, can kubuntu be installed from a USB CD-rom drive?
[08:08] <intelikey> me2win_ but most of those people are not restricted to dialup.
[08:09] <intelikey> deathnote if you can boot it you can install from it.
[08:09] <LL_Hakaisou> if your BIOS supports booting from USB devices and is configured as such, i don't see why not
[08:09] <Joshooa> how do I register with freenode to get my nick saved?
[08:09] <intelikey> !register
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> dang can't find it.
[08:09] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> LL_Hakaisou: man apt-get, apt-cache, dpkg
[08:10] <intelikey> dpkg -l > installed.log
[08:10] <Joshooa> oh wait I think I got it, extra e on nickserv
[08:10] <Moltov> Ello, Ive got a little bit of a wireless setup issue... i have a wua 2340 dlink usb wireless card, and while, i got it to install, whenever it starts trying to use it... kubuntu just... freezes...
[08:10] <raylu> Joshooa, use /ns
[08:10] <raylu> instead of /msg nickserv
[08:10] <deathnote> intelikey: i can boot from it..but i can't install
[08:10] <Joshooa> I did /msg nickserve, whoops
[08:10] <Moltov> It blinks tho! Heh...
[08:10] <raylu> Moltov, they say that the latest kernel has issues with wireless connectivity... (though I don't notice a difference)
[08:10] <intelikey> raylu /ns would be an irc client alias.    'client specific'
[08:11] <raylu> Joshooa, yeah, I was doing that when I first used IRC a ton
[08:11] <deathnote> intelikey: if i use the text-base, it says no comon cd-rom drive was detected.. for graphical it says couldn't find /root something
[08:11] <raylu> yeah, but every client I've ever used has had it
[08:11] <Joshooa> /ns nickserv
[08:11] <Joshooa> not me
[08:11] <Moltov> Interesting, ive experianced the exact opposite... And found one person on the forums who experianced simular, if im not mistaken, the post was pre-6.10 being released.
[08:11] <raylu> Joshooa, huh?
[08:11] <deathnote> intelikey: what can i do?
[08:11] <intelikey> deathnote ah you need support for the device in the booted kernel initrd pair.
[08:11] <Joshooa> well wouldn't typing /ns not put it in the room then?
[08:11] <raylu> Moltov, are you using the wlan assistant?
[08:12] <raylu> Joshooa, neither /msg nor /ns puts it in the room. /msg nickserv = /ns
[08:12] <deathnote> intelikey: do u mean downloading the modules for the cdrom?
[08:12] <raylu> chatting to the room is /msg #kubuntu [message]
[08:12] <Moltov> Raylu; Good question... ^.^' i... have no clue, all the directions i followed were imputed through console.
[08:12] <deathnote> intelikey: where can i get more info about this?
[08:12] <raylu> Moltov, oh...I was about to suggest you stop using the wlan assitant and start using the console....heh
[08:12] <Joshooa> if I type /ns it put it in the room though, msg works
[08:13] <Joshooa> /ns nickserv
[08:13] <intelikey> deathnote no.  i mean the initrd.img on the cd is not detecting/setting.up the device.   i'm sure there is a way.
[08:13] <Joshooa> but the help isn't doing anything for me
[08:13] <raylu> Joshooa, er...what client are you using?
[08:13] <Moltov> Raylu; Yeah... Oh right, yeah, i tried wlan assistant, it ignores the card exists...
[08:13] <Joshooa> kopete
[08:13] <LL_Hakaisou> bah!
[08:13] <raylu> hm... :( ok, so have you gotten yourself registered yet?
[08:13] <Joshooa> no
[08:13] <Moltov> Raylu; it does however note to be installed and connected according to ndiswrapper
[08:13] <intelikey> deathnote maybe passing root=/dev/sda  to the kernel at boot or something.
[08:13] <LL_Hakaisou> if only i could get this damn phone to pass through to vmware...
[08:13] <Joshooa> I got a message window open
[08:13] <raylu> Moltov, what does ifconfig show? is your card listed there?
[08:14] <raylu> Joshooa, /msg nickserv help register
[08:14] <Moltov> Raylu; una momento hehe
[08:14] <intelikey> deathnote did you read through the help screens on the boot disk at the boot prompt ?
[08:14] <deathnote> intelikey: if i boot in graphical, it will turn out to be at "BusyBox" and a command prompt
[08:14] <Joshooa> nothing
[08:14] <Joshooa> it just puts it in my window with him, of me talking
[08:14] <raylu> oh, if you're in a query window already
[08:15] <raylu> just type help register to him
[08:15] <Joshooa> same
[08:15] <raylu> it should say something like [01:14:29]  [Notice]  -NickServ- Syntax: REGISTER <password>
[08:15] <Joshooa> just text
[08:15] <intelikey> deathnote yes that's because it's not mounting /
[08:15] <raylu> yeah...of course it's just text...
[08:15] <Joshooa> no, I mean it shows exactly what I type
[08:15] <Joshooa> no response
[08:15] <raylu> oh
[08:15] <Joshooa> ya
[08:15] <raylu> have you tried sending it just "help register"
[08:15] <raylu> ?
[08:15] <Joshooa> yeah
[08:15] <raylu> o.0s
[08:15] <deathnote> intelikey: yeah there's a Other Options if i press F6
[08:16] <Joshooa> even if I do /msg nickserv help register, only help register appears
[08:16] <raylu> Joshooa, try: /query nickserv help register
[08:16] <deathnote> intelikey: and i see this
[08:16] <Joshooa> help register appears
[08:16] <raylu> o.0ness
[08:16] <raylu> Joshooa, perhaps you should try Konversation :D
[08:16] <intelikey> deathnote i've been there.  but as for just walking you through what to do...  hmmm     mknode b 8 0 /dev/sda  ;modprobe <the right drivers>  mount /dev/sda /root and exit....
[08:16] <Joshooa> ok
[08:17] <Joshooa> Also
[08:17] <Joshooa> How can I be sure that when I reboot my internet will work?
[08:17] <deathnote> intelikey: file=/cdrom/preseed/kubuntu.seed boot=casper initrd=/casper/initrd.gz ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw quyiet splash --
[08:17] <Joshooa> Cause I don't think I've rebooted since I got it working, and it's a pain to make it work
[08:17] <intelikey> finding the right drivers may be the twist in the pigs tail there.
[08:17] <stdin> intelikey: s/mknode/mknod/"
[08:17] <raylu> Joshooa, in the system settings > network, you can specify a device to be loaded on startup in its properties
[08:17] <Joshooa> But I think when I reboot, it wont show my network card
[08:17] <intelikey> stdin yes.   typo king still reigns
[08:17] <Joshooa> it reverts back to saying my wired connected aren't configured
[08:18] <intelikey> see ^
[08:18] <Joshooa> connections*
[08:18] <Moltov> Raylu; *chuckles* this will take another few min, i had it rebooting when i came in here, and lol, appernetly i sucseeded in configuring it right to automaticaly turn on during boot... Which freezes it, of course.
[08:18] <Joshooa> I have to then do something to add my wireless card, then dhclient to make it even see it, and then I forgot what but I saved my last konsole thing in a text file
[08:18] <raylu> haha. that reminds me of when I told apache to run on startup on my 266mhz,64MB ram winME machine...
[08:19] <raylu> Joshooa, if you're sure those steps are necessary, you could add them to the startup script
[08:19] <Moltov> Raylu; Well, this baby is a bit faster than that... 800mhz p3 with half a gig of ram...
[08:19] <intelikey> did i loose contact when that package left me ?
[08:19] <deathnote> intelikey: do u mean during the installation i get into the shell and type that command?
[08:19] <intelikey> ah guess not.
[08:19] <Moltov> Raylu; And by baby, i mean frankinstines baby...
[08:19] <josh__> whoops, I re-entered the room
[08:19] <intelikey> deathnote no at the bustbox prompt.
[08:20] <deathnote> ohh ok i'll get into it first..brb
[08:20] <Joshooa> man it's  alot harder to talk in Konverstation :)
[08:20] <intelikey> to get into the cd system
[08:20] <raylu> Joshooa, it is?
[08:20] <Joshooa> To do the /msg #kubuntu thing yeah, I got an error
[08:20] <intelikey> deathnote warning i'm expecting one of these packages to clip my wings....
[08:20] <intelikey> so if i disappear don't take it personal
[08:20] <Moltov> Raylu; Ah joy... one more reboot and a config-removal and ill be able to tell you heh...
[08:21] <Joshooa> but nickserv works in it
[08:21] <Joshooa> so, brb
[08:21] <raylu> er...you don't have to /msg #kubuntu...
[08:21] <raylu> that's just what's going on behind the scenes
[08:21] <Joshooa> it gave me an error though when I said oops
[08:21] <raylu> you can just type :D
[08:21] <Joshooa> ok well brb
[08:22] <deathnote> intelikey: sorry... modprobe <right drivers> what are the right drivers for a usb cdrom??
[08:22] <intelikey> deathnote let me look....
[08:23] <LL_Hakaisou> i wonder how much wine pisses of microsoft...
[08:23] <LL_Hakaisou> just a thought
[08:24] <intelikey> deathnote usbcore
[08:24] <intelikey> deathnote usb-storage
[08:25] <deathnote> mknode b 8 0 /dev/sda doesn't work hmmm
[08:25] <slylyias> I have somehow managed to have my external HD (usb, ntfs) owned by 'root' when I "sudo chown <username> EXTERNAL" it says "Chown: changing ownership of external/ read only file system...
[08:25] <slylyias> and then does nothing
[08:25] <slylyias> Can anyone help me?
[08:25] <raylu> LL_Hakaisou, not much. think about how much they actually lose from it
[08:25] <deathnote> so its mknode b 8 0 /dev/sda ; modprobe usb-storage
[08:25] <slylyias> Still shows up as owned by root
[08:25] <LL_Hakaisou> i'm not upgrading to Vista cause of it
[08:25] <raylu> slylyias, remount?
[08:25] <slylyias> how?
[08:25] <intelikey> deathnote sd_mod
[08:25] <LL_Hakaisou> there's 400 bucks they don't get
[08:25] <raylu> sly
[08:25] <raylu> ack
[08:26] <raylu> slylyias, umount /dev/hdwhatever, mount /dev/hdwhatever
[08:26] <intelikey> deathnote scsi_mod
[08:26] <slylyias> raylu: How do I know what device it is?
[08:26] <stdin> deathnote: mknod, not mknode
[08:26] <raylu> LL_Hakaisou, actually, most people won't be "upgrading" to vista at all. they'll buy computers with vista pre-installed
[08:26] <intelikey> deathnote sr_mod
[08:26] <sredna> hi
[08:26] <deathnote> err
[08:26] <intelikey> deathnote i think that's all.
[08:26] <raylu> slylyias, it'll be listed under /media
[08:26] <raylu> !hi | sredna
[08:26] <ubotu> sredna: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[08:26] <deathnote> sr_mod b 8 0 /dev/sda ?
[08:26] <intelikey> no
[08:26] <slylyias> I don't see it there, raylu.
[08:27] <sredna> the startkde script in feisty appears not to run ~/.kde/env/*.sh like it should ?
[08:27] <intelikey> the only thing that has    b 8 0 /dev/sda    is mknod
[08:27] <LL_Hakaisou> that still counts as a sold copy of vista buddy
[08:27] <raylu> slylyias, actually...since it's owned by root, you might need to kdesu konquerer
[08:27] <LL_Hakaisou> they buyer still pays for it
[08:27] <intelikey> deathnote mknod b 8 0 /dev/sda
[08:27] <LL_Hakaisou> it's just pre installed
[08:27] <intelikey> then all the modprobe lines
[08:27] <stdin> sredna: feisty questions in #kubuntu-devel and #kubutnu+1 please
[08:27] <slylyias> kdesu konqerur, huh?
[08:27] <intelikey> then see if you can mount /dev/sda /root
[08:27] <raylu> LL_Hakaisou, right, but it's cheaper technically. ms makes more money on upgrades
[08:28] <raylu> slylyias, yes, alt+f2, kdesu konqueror
[08:28] <sredna> sorry, stdin
[08:28] <deathnote> there's no /dev/sda
[08:28] <deathnote> sda = cdrom?
[08:28] <stdin> sredna: :)
[08:28] <intelikey> you mknode that
[08:28] <pirothezero> if i need to execute a ./executable every 6 hours what would be the best way of obtaining that? bash script?
[08:28] <intelikey> yes it should
[08:28] <raylu> !cron
[08:28] <ubotu> cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[08:28] <|Cugel|> piro: cron
[08:28] <stdin> pirothezero: cron
[08:28] <Moltov> Raylu; gyeh, cant find the modprobe config i accidentaly made doing ndiswrapper -m... >.<
[08:28] <raylu> lol
[08:28] <pirothezero> for some reason my sabnzbd randomly closes and I want to stop that
[08:28] <pirothezero> ahh ok
[08:28] <pirothezero> thx
[08:28] <raylu> Moltov, you just went over my head :P
[08:29] <|Cugel|> I've never used cron myself but I know it works.
[08:29] <deathnote> when i type mknode b 8 0 /dev/sda it keeps coming out the help thing
[08:29] <kraut> moin
[08:29] <raylu> pirothezero, perhaps the answer is to stop it from "randomly" closing
[08:29] <deathnote> i modprobe usbcore and usb-storage
[08:29] <stdin> pirothezero: you can use kcron to do it in a GUI
[08:29] <pirothezero> i agree with that but there are no reports of it happening to other people
[08:29] <pirothezero> and the logs dont say anything
[08:29] <Moltov> Raylu; its WAY over my head techicaly, but realy its just a little line of code added to some stupid little config file... or such somewhere.
[08:29] <intelikey> when it's driver is inserted into the kernel   the system should recognize sda as your cdrom drive         deathnote   no e on mknod
[08:30] <intelikey> mknod b 8 0 /dev/sda
[08:30] <Moltov> Raylu; its making it automaticaly try turning on a configuration of the divice... Which, of course, givin my situation, crashes the computer.
[08:30] <LL_Hakaisou> either way, it's money that M$ doesn't get
[08:30] <stdin> intelikey, deathnote: mknod /dev/sda b 8 0
[08:30] <deathnote> ops its mknod
[08:30] <deathnote> i paste it wrongly here
[08:30] <raylu> Moltov, is it listed in kmenu > system settings > network settings?
[08:30] <pirothezero> ~/.SABnzbd/sabnzbd/.SABnzbd.py -d -f SABnzbd.ini I just put this for program?
[08:31] <intelikey> stdin did i have the syntax backwards.... ?   eeeek  has been a while hasn't it.
[08:31] <deathnote> ok modprobe usbcore usb-storage sd_mod sr_mod scsi_mod
[08:31] <intelikey> man mknod
[08:31] <intelikey> bash: /usr/bin/man: No such file or directory
[08:31] <stdin> intelikey: heh, just checked mknod --help, and it says "Usage: mknod [OPTION] ... NAME TYPE [MAJOR MINOR] "
[08:31] <intelikey> i can't check.
[08:31] <deathnote> mknod b 8 0 /dev/sda (it comes out the help)
[08:31] <Moltov> Raylu; <.< The setting? prehaps... The card? No, atm connecting it to the computer causes insta freeze >.<
[08:31] <intelikey> then yep.
[08:32] <raylu> Moltov, oh...it's not connected? :(
[08:32] <stdin> deathnote: use "mknod /dev/sda b 8 0" not "mknod b 8 0 /dev/sda"
[08:32] <intelikey> deathnote did you see what stdin said.  said i gave the wrong syntax.    mknod /dev/sda b 8 0
[08:32] <intelikey> the device name perceeds the specifics...  my bad.
[08:33] <deathnote> ok! it works
[08:33] <intelikey> stdin would you care to take over that one ?
[08:33] <deathnote> mounting now
[08:33] <LL_Hakaisou> ok then.
[08:33] <LL_Hakaisou> linux can see my motorola Q
[08:33] <deathnote> mounting failed.. no such device or address
[08:33] <deathnote> but in /dev there is a sda now
[08:34] <LL_Hakaisou> now all i need to figure out is out to access it
[08:34] <intelikey> deathnote still need a driver.
[08:34] <stdin> intelikey: not so much, I don't really know how to help much here
[08:34] <intelikey> stdin can you find out what drivers are needed to mount usb cdrom device ?
[08:34] <Joshooa> So, I guess I got it registered, I don't know, it didn't ask for a PW when I logged in just now
[08:34] <deathnote> oic...
[08:35] <slylyias> Okay, no one seems to be able to help me with my mismounted external HD. :(
[08:35] <intelikey> deathnote you can use modprobe -l     to list the avalable drivers and start testing anything that looks usb'ish
[08:36] <Joshooa> Now listening to:smallville.s01e17.Reaper.ws.ac3.dvdrip.xvid-vf.avi
[08:36] <slylyias> Please, I'm begging, can someone help me?
[08:36] <intelikey> deathnote also  shift+pgup will let you scroll up text that went by too quick to see.
[08:37] <deathnote> etci-hcd ?
[08:37] <deathnote> ok
[08:38] <deathnote> after loading modprobe XXX do i need to mknod XXX again?
[08:40] <Moltov> Raylu; Ok, got rid of that stupid line heh, just took me a while to find the right config file...
[08:40] <Moltov> Raylu; So, now... What was that command you wanted me to run ^.^" or did you vanish...
[08:41] <stdin> intelikey: should be cdrom, ide-cd, sr_mod, scsi_mod, usbcore and usb-storage (all I can find)
[08:42] <deathnote> ok i loaded a few more modules..
[08:42] <deathnote> how to remove /dev/sda and mknod again ?
[08:42] <deathnote> or does it just takes effect?
[08:42] <Joshooa> slylyias: I doubt it but I can try, what's going on?
[08:42] <Moltov> Raylu; *chuckles* Martian Third Strike Force to Raylu?
[08:42] <stdin> deathnote: it should just work
[08:43] <deathnote> hmm still can't mount.. anyway
[08:43] <deathnote> i'm using a usb cdrom
[08:45] <Moltov> Well... Anyone elce adventurous enough to see if they can help with my odd wireless issue>\?
[08:45] <deathnote> i can't lsusb ..
[08:45] <Joshooa> Moltov: I'm adventurous
[08:46] <deathnote> brb
[08:46] <Moltov> Joshooa; Got any clue? According to ndiswrapper, its installed, and connected... From there, the direcotions i had found, the next step to configure the wireless connection, causes the computer to... erm, freeze, totaly.
[08:47] <Joshooa> Moltov: What kind of wireless card do you have?
[08:47] <Joshooa> Moltov: And what directions did you find, could I see them online?
[08:47] <Moltov> Joshooa; Dlink wua 2340
[08:47] <Moltov> Joshooa; easily, theyre on the ubuntu forums, gimme a sec to grab em
[08:47] <Joshooa> Moltov: BRB, I'm going to need a mountain dew for this
[08:48] <Moltov> Joshooa; Heh... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=364014 I wish i had a Siera mist or such myself... *sighs* too many things going wrong at once
[08:49] <dasickis> hey i upgraded to feisty but for some reason it didn't update my menu.lst
[08:49] <dasickis> since I customized since I dual with Vista
[08:49] <Moltov> Joshooa; If your wondering, this is my old junkpile trying to connect to my newer junkpiles network card...  But lol.
[08:52] <Joshooa> Moltov: So you can't configure your wireless card or your Grub boot thing is messed up?
[08:52] <Joshooa> Oh wait I see hol don
[08:52] <Moltov> Joshooa; Wireless card tries to turn on = frozen computer.
[08:52] <Joshooa>  ;-)
[08:53] <Moltov> Joshooa; Old junkpile im doing that on... is well, it WAS my slave, but it got promoted to backup...
[08:54] <Moltov> ndiswrapper -m
[08:54] <Moltov> modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:54] <Moltov> Joshooa; are the steps that causes freeze
[08:55] <Joshooa> ok
[08:56] <Moltov> Joshooa; and that, good sir, is where my knowlege ends... Though i do now nicely know how to undo nidswrapper -m.
[08:56] <Joshooa> Moltov: Awesome!
[08:57] <Moltov> Joshooa; Well, it doesnt help... Cus its still not online, but its booted, and hence why i returned to find the guy i was getitng help from, gone
[08:57] <Moltov> Joshooa; ^.^' that erm, config causes it to crash half way through loading kubuntu...
[08:58] <Moltov> Joshooa; being that, it tries to acitvate the card...
[08:58] <Moltov> Joshooa; the question is, you have any idea whats causing it to actualy crash in the first place, or how to find out ^.^"
[08:59] <Moltov> Joshooa; only reason i got this far, is my old dos 5/6 smarts... Config files are editible by hand... yeup yeup yeup >.>
[09:00] <Moltov> Joshooa; so i take it your thinking/referancing ^.^
[09:00] <Joshooa> Moltov: Yes and I was talking to my brother
[09:02] <Joshooa> Moltov: and when you do ndiswrapper -l, does it show driver installed, hardware present, or no?
[09:02] <ubuntu> Can anyone help me with a grub 21 error?
[09:02] <Moltov> Joshooa; both yes.
[09:04] <Joshooa> Moltov: Then you do ndiswrapper -m and modprobe ndiswrapper, and it freezes then or after the reboot?
[09:04] <Moltov> Joshooa; Zi moment it starts talking to the card... as in about 3-5 seconds latter, and if card is plugged in, on reboot too about halfway through kubuntus loading.
[09:07] <Joshooa> Moltov: Maybe you have to manually add it to /etc/modules
[09:09] <me2win_> err my bad
[09:09] <Moltov> Joshooa; ok, so, where and what do i type there? ^.^"
[09:09] <Hasrat_USA>  Beryl flies in Kubuntu Edgy :)
[09:10] <Hasrat_USA>  it would take MS some more 30 years to come up with an idea as stable and eye-dazzling as beryl
[09:12] <Joshooa> Moltov: Well....
[09:12] <Joshooa> Moltov: Hold on I've done this
[09:13] <Moltov> Joshooa; ... ... ... ^.^ ive got about 3hrs to spare, so no worries.
[09:15] <Joshooa> Moltov: Also, you could try asking if anyone in #ndiswrapper could help too
[09:15] <Moltov> Joshooa; On this server?
[09:16] <Joshooa> yeah
[09:16] <unix_infidel> yes
[09:17] <Moltov> Joshooa; yknow, your the first person to suggest that to me ever... sounds brilliant.
[09:17] <nknwd> hello all. i'm currently logged in with user X and running KDE. In a terminal, i've SU to use Y. Now, HOW do i run a graphical application as user Y in user X's KDE without getting an error about no screens found or something?
[09:18] <Moltov> Joshooa; I think i can hear crickets chirping over there... heh
[09:19] <unix_infidel> nknwd: use kdesu and specify a user.
[09:21] <nknwd> thanks unix_infidel
[09:43] <_4strO> yop yop
[09:44] <elijah> how will i install a new application in kubuntu?
[09:45] <_4strO> elijah: use adept
[09:45] <cpk1> or aptitude
[09:45] <cpk1> or apt-get
[09:45] <elijah> thru konsole?
[09:46] <_4strO> for aptitude and apt-get yes
[09:46] <AquaNuda> ...or Synaptic :)
[09:47] <TeePOG> hi there, i'm using KDE 3.5.5 on Kubuntu. My medianotifier fails to mount my usb flashdrives. I am using the plugdev group with pam_groups; the other groups/devices (like audio) work fine, and CDs are mounted correctly, but USB flashdrives do not
[09:47] <TeePOG> the medianotifier dialog pops up, but when I select "Open in New Window", nothing happens
[09:48] <Joshooa> Ok, I'm considering doing a fresh install of Kubuntu, to remove Windows, should I partition my hard drive into boot, swap, then my linux, or not? I just read a site that said I should create a 100mb boot partition but it doesn't say why
[09:50] <cpk1> TeePOG: I remember that used to happen to me, cant remember how it fixed itself though =P
[09:51] <cpk1> TeePOG: you should still be able to mount it manually
[09:52] <TeePOG> i am cpk1, but this is for a lab... it should happen automatically
[09:53] <elijah> thanks everyone
[09:54] <cpk1> for a lab?
[09:54] <cpk1> I remember there was something a long time ago with hal being broken but pretty sure it is all fixed now
[09:54] <cpk1> if you add it to fstab it might be able to automount then
[09:55] <TeePOG> but that's the point, it should be unnecessary, plugdev group takes care of that
[09:59] <embrik> I am not able to insert vide/music in Impress. I use Kubuntu dapper and oo20
[09:59] <hw__> !shell
[09:59] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[09:59] <hw__> !dash
[09:59] <ubotu> /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to  #! /bin/bash
[09:59] <hw__> or re-symlink to bash
[10:01] <TeePOG> cpk1: it seems the problem is that HAL doesn't support FAT32 volumes
[10:01] <hw__> dpkg-reconfigure dash
[10:01] <TeePOG> someone's idea of OSS
[10:03] <cpk1> interesting, but usbsticks arent fat32 i dont think...
[10:03] <Joshooa> I'm pretty sure usbsticks are fat32
[10:04] <Joshooa> Because I remember trying to make mine ntsf, when I was in windows, and couldn't
[10:05] <cpk1> hmm mine is fat16
[10:05] <Joshooa> I'm not sure though
[10:05] <Joshooa> hmm
[10:05] <Joshooa> how do I check mine?
[10:05] <cpk1> fdisk -l
[10:06] <Joshooa> mine says W95 FAT32
[10:06] <cpk1> how big is yours?
[10:06] <Joshooa> 1GB
[10:06] <cpk1> wierd
[10:06] <Joshooa> heh
[10:06] <cpk1> mines 1gB too
[10:06] <Joshooa> should fdisk list my hard drives too?
[10:06] <cpk1> probably not, it will if you use sudo
[10:07] <Joshooa> oh ok
[10:07] <Joshooa> I was like, I swear I've seen them before
[10:07] <Joshooa> Man I can't wait until I know more about what i'm doing
[10:07] <Joshooa> So not familiar with anything linux
[10:09] <Skuller> hey guys...can someone tell me how i can check my IP in kubuntu?..i am connected using an adsl modem which requires a UN and PW to be entered in the OS in 'pppoeconf'
[10:09] <Skuller> IP add*ress
[10:09] <Joshooa> iwconfig?
[10:10] <Skuller> Joshooa: it is not wireless
[10:10] <Joshooa> ifconfig?
[10:10] <Skuller> Joshooa: cool...got it..thanks a lot
[10:10] <Joshooa> wow
[10:11] <Joshooa> NP
[10:11] <Joshooa> I feel good now
[10:11] <Skuller> wow?
[10:11] <Skuller> just had ur fav meal or something?...hehe
[10:12] <Joshooa> I'm a noob, so I feel good knowing something
[10:12] <Joshooa> Not just totally and utterly lost and confused
[10:12] <Joshooa> like I was a week ago
[10:12] <Skuller> oh...lol...dw..i m still a bigger noob than u...so i am going to give you competetion in noobness...:P
[10:12] <Joshooa> I was expecting that my advice would be wrong and not helpful
[10:12] <Joshooa> Nice,  how long have you used Kubunu?
[10:13] <Skuller> about 2 weeks....'use' as in just left it on for downloading torrents....not literally used it that much tho
[10:14] <MukiEX> Kubuntu stopped automounting =(
[10:14] <MukiEX> For USB drives
[10:14] <cpk1> wow, two people in one night
[10:14] <Skuller> yea..must be the night
[10:14] <Joshooa> Yeah i downloaded Ubuntu about a week ago, installed it, kinda fumbled around, got slightly familiar, then updated to Kubuntu and went through it all again.
[10:15] <Joshooa> That's funny, cause I never did ANYTHING to get my USB automounting, it's my hda1 and hbb1 that didn't do it
[10:15] <Skuller> Joshooa: lol...same here...i used ubuntu for a weekend and got attracted to kubun for its flashiness
[10:16] <Skuller> does anyone know what is the miniimum space taken up by a bare install of 'feisty' on the hdd?
[10:16] <Joshooa> Skuller: I was just told it was better, and wanted to check it out, when I first saw it I was like, yeah this is nice, flashier, and faster too, so I liked it, but then I felt totally lost and confused
[10:16] <cpk1> usb is on hda1 and hbb1? O.o
[10:16] <cpk1> kubuntu is ubuntu but with kde instead
[10:16] <Joshooa> cpk1: Yeah, but when I first read about it I was confused
[10:17] <Skuller> yea...the K is good in terms of eye candy....not to mention it is awesome with beryl
[10:17] <Joshooa> cpk1: Totally new to linux, so in my mind, that's just saying it has a different theme and layout
[10:17] <Joshooa> cpk1: But a lot of programs I try to use now freeze
[10:17] <Joshooa> cpk1: Anything with G = bad, and I was told they'd all run vice versa
[10:17] <cpk1> there shouldnt really be any difference unless you are low on memory
[10:18] <Joshooa> I have 640MB
[10:18] <cpk1> if you have low memory then you *might* run into trouble loading all the libraries
[10:18] <cpk1> then you should be fine
[10:18] <Joshooa> uh o
[10:18] <hw__> How can I make sure that no program will open inside/within konq.? I've set "show files in separate viewer" in kcontrol...
[10:18] <Joshooa> I'm slowly getting kicked off Kopete, Yahoo died, and then AIM
[10:18] <Skuller> any idea how much does a bare install of kubun take?....edgy or feisty or both
[10:19] <cpk1> Skuller: pretty small if you are talking about not even getting X
[10:19] <Joshooa> I want to say 350MB, but for no reason other than I read it on a site, but it wasn't specific to a flavor
[10:19] <Skuller> cpk1: ok...make that a 'normal user bare install'....including X?
[10:20] <cpk1> Skuller: still pretty small if you get the barest for kde or even smaller if you dont kde
[10:20] <cpk1> but you will need to use the alternate installer probably
[10:21] <Skuller> ohh....so if i will be downloading a lot of packages and have a feisty install (when it comes out ofcourse) i shudnt go more than 2-3gb for the / partitionn right?
[10:21] <Skuller> i will be mounting /media and /home on another partition
[10:21] <cpk1> my / is 23gB and I am using 4.4gB of it
[10:22] <Skuller> is ur main 'files and data and documents' on it too?...like ur downloads + music and the works?
[10:22] <Skuller> are*
[10:22] <cpk1> its just /, /home is seperate
[10:23] <Skuller> ohh...so i think i should keep at least 5 gb for / if i want to go a long way without a format
[10:24] <Skuller> !kopete
[10:24] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 6824 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[10:24] <Skuller> where can i get help for kopete?
[10:25] <Tm_T> Skuller: What's the problem?
[10:25] <Skuller> i want to be able to save all my conversations automatically like in LIVE messenger....
[10:26] <Tm_T> Skuller: Activate history plugin.
[10:27] <Skuller>  Tm_T: it is activated....but i dont think it saves the history as a text file somewhere....does it?
[10:28] <cpk1> Skuller: it does, its in ~/.kde/share/apps
[10:28] <Joshooa> So, should Same GNOME the game work in Kubuntu?
[10:28] <cpk1> find kopete in there
[10:28] <cpk1> Joshooa: huh?
[10:29] <Joshooa> cpk1:  When I was still in Ubuntu, I was told if I go to Kubuntu, everything will still work
[10:29] <cpk1> Joshooa: yes, it will
[10:29] <Joshooa> cpk1:  They don't
[10:29] <Joshooa> cpk1: I just get grey boxes
[10:29] <cpk1> what doesnt work?
[10:29] <Joshooa> Same GNOME
[10:30] <Joshooa> or anything G
[10:30] <Joshooa> Robots wont work either
[10:30] <Joshooa> or Nibbles, and I know that worked cause I played it
[10:32] <Joshooa> They load but they are just blank grey screens
[10:32] <Joshooa> then to close them I have to terminate them
[10:33] <cpk1> you mean gnurobots?
[10:33] <Joshooa> No it's just called Robots
[10:34] <Joshooa> GParted works though, interesting....
[10:35] <cpk1> hmm well I cant seem to find robots in the repos so i dunno what to say
[10:35] <naught101> anyone succesfully installed JahShaka video editing suite on kubuntu?
[10:37] <caris_mere> Kpilot says it is "Unable to read system information from Pilot", any ideas?
[10:37] <koriel> I have a folder of text files and I have left a character in one of them that I want to find it..how can I do this using grep ... for example if I want to find tha character L but L alone not Lucky for example
[10:37] <Joshooa> it's under games > arcade
[10:37] <Joshooa> On my K Menu
[10:37] <koriel> oops wrong channel :)
[10:38] <cpk1> koriel: try quotes? =P
[10:39] <hw__> How can I make sure that no program will open inside/within konq.? I've set "show files in separate viewer" in kcontrol...
[10:47] <Joshooa> should I be connecting via irc.freenode.net or  chat.us.freenode.net
[10:47] <Joshooa> or does it not matter?
[10:52] <abhishekparolkar> Unexpected response from server
[10:53] <abhishekparolkar>
[10:53] <abhishekparolkar>
[10:53] <abhishekparolkar>
[10:53] <Moltov> Anyone arround who has a clue where to toss something you need to run oh, around the end of kubuntu starting up?
[10:53] <abhishekparolkar>
[10:53] <abhishekparolkar>
[10:53] <abhishekparolkar>
[10:53] <abhishekparolkar>
[10:53] <abhishekparolkar>
[10:53] <abhishekparolkar> Firefox doesn't know how to communicate with the server.
[10:53] <abhishekparolkar> ?
[10:54] <Moltov> Well, Dhcp wont automaticaly start up in the wlan config script right... but it works fine through the command dhclient wlan0, so, those of us hanging over at ndiswrapper
[10:54] <Moltov> #ndiswrapper figured i should just tell it to run that on start ^.^
[10:55] <Moltov> <.< but heh, cant find where to tell it to do that in kubuntu...
[10:55] <cpk1> Moltov: put it in /etc/rc.local
[10:56] <SlackRat> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=478818
[10:56] <SlackRat> running ndiswrapper via init scripts at startup .....
[10:56] <Moltov> Cpk1:Thankee... ^.^ i take it the full bit would be "gksu dhclient wlan0" per the suggestion from the person over there?
[10:57] <Moltov> Or is less than that needed thanks to something nifty?
[10:57] <cpk1> Moltov: no, you just need to put dhclient wlan0 at the end of it
[10:57] <Moltov> Nifty.
[10:58] <intelikey> hmmm odd error.  modem /dev/ttyS0 reports device busy can't dialup.   but nothing is using it... what might cause that ?
[10:58] <Joshooa> is it safe to just unplug m y usbstick or should I unmount it first?
[10:58] <Chousuke> Joshooa: unmount first
[10:58] <Joshooa> Chousuke: What happens if I don't?
[10:59] <intelikey> Joshooa what fs is on it ?
[10:59] <Chousuke> well, you might get file corruption.
[10:59] <Chousuke> otoh you probably won't.
[10:59] <Chousuke> but it's possible
[10:59] <Chousuke> so unmount first
[10:59] <intelikey> if it's ext# you most likely will get fs errors.
[10:59] <Joshooa> We;ll like in Windows I'd just make sure it's light wasn't flashing, and unplug it
[11:00] <Joshooa> it's fat32
[11:00] <intelikey> if it's vfat then it probably wont hurt it.
[11:00] <Chousuke> Joshooa: that's not the proper way on windows either :/
[11:00] <Chousuke> intelikey: it definitely will if it's being used.
[11:00] <Joshooa> yeah but you don't mount it in windows either
[11:00] <Moltov> Chousuke: Hardly ever causes an issue tho.
[11:00] <intelikey> but linux will cry if you remove it while it's mounted.
[11:00] <Joshooa> as long as it's not being read or written to, no problem
[11:00] <Chousuke> Joshooa: it's "mounted" automatically
[11:01] <Joshooa> I was worried that it would be remounted over and over though if I don't specify that I am removing it
[11:01] <Moltov> *sighs* Why cant they just remember to support hotswap in these flash drives these days...
[11:01] <intelikey> Chousuke you mean if there is disk activity.   yes if there is a write in progress  no matter what fs it is it's borked.
[11:01] <Joshooa> cause then I wouldn't have stuff to talk about
[11:01] <Chousuke> there might be some cache stuff too that might cause trouble
[11:01] <Moltov> I mean, my WIRELESS card, has hotswap, i have no damn idea why, but it does.
[11:02] <Chousuke> writes to disk don't happen instantly.
[11:02] <intelikey> do if it's mounted with  option   sync
[11:02] <Moltov> Chousuke: Yes, but why would you stupidly remove it while your writing file bar was still on the screan.
[11:02] <Chousuke> intelikey: which is usually not the case.
[11:03] <Chousuke> Moltov: the write may not be complete even after it says it's complete.
[11:03] <intelikey> is if i mount removable + writable media...
[11:03] <cpk1> if you use console you might not realize you have gotten a carriage return from a cp or mv before you take it out =P
[11:03] <Moltov> Chousuke: For more than a fraction of a second maybe... otherwise thatd be incredibly stupid.
[11:04] <Chousuke> still, you should unmount properly.
[11:04] <Moltov> Or remember to pay attention to get a hotswap usb flash ^.^
[11:04] <intelikey> cpk1 in console the prompt will return before the disk write in some cases  and that's true for gui also.
[11:04] <intelikey> note.   'some cases'
[11:05] <Joshooa> That's why if the blue light is flashing on my usb key, I don't touch it
[11:05] <cpk1> intelikey: thats what I saying though, you might notice that you got a carriage return =P also & would probably free it
[11:05] <intelikey> so why would ttyS0 be reporting busy ?
[11:05] <Chousuke> I think there was a kernel patch that did something to allow unplugging without unmounting
[11:05] <Joshooa> No blue flashing, no activity, should be safe
[11:05] <cpk1> might not*
[11:06] <Chousuke> I think it may have monitored the media and determined whether it was unplugged safely.
[11:06] <intelikey> umount is safe.
[11:06] <Chousuke> umount is, but directly unplugging isn't.
[11:06] <intelikey> eject it  :)
[11:06] <Chousuke> which is the same as unmounting :P
[11:07] <intelikey> for Q in /etc/hd? /etc/sd? ;do eject $Q && echo "that was $Q" ;done
[11:08] <Moltov> cpk1: writing it to the file you specified, didnt help.
[11:08] <Joshooa> man this sucks, I have to sort through 100GB of stuff, see what I want to save, and then burn it to DVDs so I can format my hard drives and reinstall stuff
[11:08] <Moltov> cpk1: it didnt run it... at the right moment atleast
[11:08] <intelikey> howto find the cdrom device ^  :)  and make the usb-stick safe all at the same time....
[11:09] <cpk1> Moltov: hrmm you shouldnt even need to run dhclient for something since if it is set to auto in the interfaces file it shold already do that
[11:09] <intelikey> second half of that statement is a joke you know.
 so why would ttyS0 be reporting busy ?  <<< if nothing is using it ?
[11:10] <Moltov> Cpk1: Yeah, we noted that.. Its a bit odd.
[11:11] <intelikey> i was thinking missing module,   but chroot into another installation and in there it's not busy/works  so that's not it.
[11:11] <Moltov> Cpk1: But atleast the first time we ran through it over there, that made the internet connect...
[11:14] <Moltov> That was strange, ndiswrapper didnt start up automaticaly this time... i had to modprobe it on...
[11:15] <Moltov> But... ive used sudo ndiswrapper -m... which... when run again confirmed it... ... ...
[11:16] <cpk1> haha well that is probably why it didnt work =P
[11:16] <Moltov> *hits head aginst wall* Why must 802.11g cards hate me.
[11:17] <cpk1> Moltov: does 'cat /etc/modules/' have ndiswrapper in it?
[11:17] <Moltov> Why... didnt it... GAAAAH
[11:18] <cpk1> pretty sure that it should have ndiswrapper in there at least
[11:19] <intelikey> what am i doing, not holding my mouth right or what ?
[11:19] <intelikey> tty24 [root@~]  fuser /dev/ttyS0
[11:19] <intelikey> tty24 [root@~]  wvdial
[11:19] <intelikey> --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.55
[11:19] <intelikey> --> Cannot open ./dev/ttyS0: Device or resource busy
[11:19] <cpk1> intelikey: I would try to help but I think it is a bit over my head =\
[11:20] <intelikey> i just don't understand why that device is busy unless i chroot then it's free  and nothing is using it...
[11:20] <Joshooa> Moltov: How're things working out for ya?
[11:21] <Moltov> Cpk1: its... quite empty, i mean, a few notes... and like, 2 letters
[11:22] <cpk1> Moltov: ok well I *think* ndiswrapper needs to be in there if you want it to start
[11:22] <cpk1> on boot
[11:22] <Moltov> assuming you mean /etc/moduels of course, since theres no such folder :P
[11:23] <Moltov> CPk1;Hmmm, well, i can put it in there...
[11:23] <cpk1> well my advice comes with absolutely no warranty, implied or explicit =)
[11:24] <Joshooa> is there a way to open html help files in Kubuntu?
[11:25] <Moltov> Depends what you mean by open
[11:25] <Moltov> open and edit? Kate if your used to the style... Open and view? Konquerer, duh...
[11:26] <intelikey> quanta +
[11:27] <Joshooa> View
[11:27] <Joshooa> Konquerer and OpenOffice wont work
[11:27] <Joshooa> and now OpenOffice wont close
[11:27] <SlackRat> a browser, konqueror is usually default
[11:28] <cpk1> konquerer can most certainly handle html
[11:28] <Joshooa> I think they may be .nfo files in windows
[11:28] <Joshooa> it most certainly did not handle this
[11:28] <Joshooa> but they are ebooks
[11:28] <cpk1> is it a .chm?
[11:28] <Joshooa> yrds
[11:28] <Joshooa> yes*
[11:29] <SlackRat> install xchm
[11:29] <cpk1> or kchmviewer
[11:29] <Joshooa> ok
[11:29] <Joshooa> I want these books too, since most of my linux books appear to be in this format
[11:29] <SlackRat> thats the format the official ubuntu book is zipped up in btw
[11:29] <Moltov> Cpk1: Ummm That DEFINATELY didnt work right. Now its not showing up under iwconfig even if i give the command to force it to run...
[11:30] <Moltov> Cpk1: Although ndiswrapper still notes it installed and connected correctly.
[11:31] <cpk1> well
[11:31] <cpk1> I made sure to educate myself this time around
[11:31] <cpk1> it does need to be in /etc/modules
[11:32] <cpk1> you used depmod before inserting it the first time right?
[11:33] <Moltov> used what?... Excuse me, linux Noob here...
[11:33] <cpk1> before you inserted it did you do depmod -a?
[11:33] <Moltov> no...
[11:33] <Moltov> I didnt know to do anything of the sort...
[11:34] <cpk1> Moltov: right, so do sudo modprobe -r ndiswrapper and then sudo depmod -a
[11:39] <Moltov> Cpk1: now what?
[11:42] <Moltov> You still there?
[11:43] <Moltov> Well, that cant be good...
[11:44] <Joshooa> So, I want to install LinEAK, should I get the tar.gz or deb files, or are the tar.gz files deb zipped up, or whats with that?
[11:45] <Moltov> Meh. Depends...
[11:45] <Moltov> Tar.gz are generaly source files in a compressed form.
[11:45] <Moltov> generaly...
[11:45] <Joshooa> ok
[11:45] <Moltov> That said
[11:45] <Moltov> you can quite often find much more up to date versions therin
[11:47] <Moltov> And hence compile them with makefile or such... and have better installs...
[11:47] <Moltov> lol
[11:48] <Moltov> Joshooa; funny, we keep helping each other...
[11:48] <Joshooa> yeah
[11:48] <Joshooa> It's good, we're both learning, we can learn twice as fast this way, cause we have twice as many problems
[11:48] <Moltov> Joshooa: I'd say, you got an im you like... but... I currently lack the ability to... log onto any of mine...
[11:49] <Joshooa> an im?
[11:49] <Joshooa> instant messenger?
[11:49] <Moltov> *nods*
[11:49] <Joshooa> what makes you say that?
[11:50] <Moltov> Cus, ^.^ knowing someone elce whos learning nix is A, helpfull B, something i dont have on my list
[11:51] <zorglu_> !java
[11:51] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[11:51] <Moltov> C and D Why the heck not, and its not like i use mine for only people i know in person... id only ave like 4 on my list if i was one of those silly people
[11:51] <Joshooa> Yeah, I agree, and I have you on my buddy list already too, but hopefully tomorrow I will be reformatting my computer to completely remove windows
[11:51] <zorglu_> !java6
[11:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about java6 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:51] <Moltov> E, i dont come on irc normaly...
[11:51] <Joshooa> Just fully got that sentence
[11:51] <Moltov> My laptop has a preticular hatred for it.
[11:52] <Joshooa> I'll be on IRC all the time now, since I'm using Kopete
[11:52] <Joshooa> !kopete
[11:52] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 6824 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[11:52] <Moltov> Gaim gives good aim/yim/msnim(and icq if your a uo player... not that anyone elce uses it)
[11:52] <Joshooa> I completely forgot about him
[11:52] <zorglu_> q. what is the ubotu tag for java6 ?
[11:52] <Moltov> I like it better than kopete
[11:53] <Joshooa> I used Gaim until I got up on Kubuntu
[11:53] <Joshooa> !java
[11:53] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[11:53] <Moltov> It has an installer through adept, that works fine.
[11:53] <Joshooa> ?
[11:53] <Moltov> Adept, the package manager.
[11:53] <Moltov> If its properly syncing to the net-repositories, it should have quite a bit decent stuf.
[11:54] <Joshooa> I don't think mine does that
[11:54] <SlackRat> bleh, install synaptic
[11:54] <Moltov> It doesnt work right if you install just wrong... I did that last time.
[11:56] <Joshooa> yes I like Syntapic more
[11:57] <SlackRat> been around  a lot longer, and imo, its more intuitive and offers more options
[11:57] <Moltov> GYAAAAAAH
[11:57] <Skuller> hey guys..my klipper is running but its icon is not in the system tray...i just rebooted my system n now it is not there....in terminal when i type 'klipper' it says its running...
[11:57] <SlackRat> what did you break now?
[11:57] <Moltov> Whatever Cpk1 had me do, made everything work LESS.
[11:58] <Moltov> Before it worked with a little poking at it... Now it just doesnt work.
[11:58] <Joshooa> heh heh heh
[11:59] <SlackRat> try configure system try
[11:59] <Joshooa> Don't worry, I'm sure when I reboot I wont have network access either
[11:59] <SlackRat> tray
[11:59] <Skuller> yay...i killed the process and started klipper again using the terminal...it is now there
[12:00] <Skuller> laterz guys
[12:00] <Moltov> *hits his head aginst the wall* and unlike what was tried before
[12:00] <Moltov> i have NO idea how to undo what he had me do
[12:01] <Moltov> *grumbles* this is why i like typing in my config file changes manualy...
[12:01] <Skuller> regarding moltov's problem...is there a 'System restore' or 'goback' equivalent in kubuntu?
[12:01] <Moltov> If i had edited the files with kate, it auto backs up anything systemfilish it edits.
[12:01] <Moltov> But as far as i know, otherwise, no.
[12:02] <Moltov> Not that doesnt require i used it first atleast.
[12:03] <Moltov> Well, atleast i know the card works... even if it doesnt now... and didnt want to auto-start...
[12:05] <Moltov> And ive saved what he told me to do... so if i can find someone... copitent, maybe they can tell me how to undo it.
[12:06] <Joshooa> Me am copitent
[12:06] <Joshooa> :D
[12:07] <Moltov> er
[12:07] <Joshooa> At least I hope I am competent
[12:07] <Moltov> lol
[12:07] <Joshooa> to read what he made you to and undo it, maybe
[12:07] <Moltov> *chuckles*
[12:07] <Joshooa> to pull commands out of my ass that my help, not so likely
[12:07] <Moltov> he had me do "sudo modprobe -r ndiswrapper" and then "sudo depmod -a"
[12:08] <Joshooa> so you removed ndiswrapper from your modules
[12:09] <Moltov> ..
[12:09] <Moltov> That realy wouldnt explain what its doing tho.
[12:09] <Joshooa> and then checked for newer stuff
[12:09] <Joshooa> and wasn't it -A?
[12:09] <Joshooa> not -a
[12:09] <Moltov> uh...
[12:09] <Moltov> Good question.
[12:09] <Moltov> Dont know what i ended up actualy typing.
[12:10] <Moltov> he originaly said lowercase
[12:10] <Moltov> ^.^ scrolled up a bit
[12:10] <Joshooa> hmm
[12:11] <Joshooa> well that's not even a command then
[12:11] <Joshooa> do modprobe ndiswrapper
[12:11] <Moltov> tried.
[12:11] <Moltov> doesnt work.
[12:11] <Joshooa> and?
[12:11] <Joshooa> does it show under iwconfig?
[12:11] <Moltov> Nope. unlike before.
[12:11] <Moltov> Ill double double check... but pretty damn sure.
[12:12] <Joshooa> what about ndiswrapper -l?
[12:12] <Joshooa> does it show it installed?
[12:12] <Moltov> Installed and connected, as always.
[12:12] <Joshooa> dhclient?
[12:13] <Moltov> Fails to find device.
[12:13] <Moltov> i can get the exact error
[12:13] <Moltov> but thats the gist of it
[12:13] <Moltov> currently speaking, there is no wlan0
[12:13] <Moltov> and modprobe ndiswrapper nolonger brings my wireless card up as it.
[12:14] <SlackRat> what does ifconfig show?
[12:14] <Moltov> if?
[12:15] <SlackRat> yeah
[12:15] <Moltov> *checks having no clue what config thats checking*
[12:15] <Moltov> Nothing, absolutely doenst do anything.
[12:15] <SlackRat> will show youre devices for internet, wireless and non
[12:16] <Moltov> Well, i know my dlink wired lan card works fine... I usualy bridge from my laptop to my slave(now backup computer were messing with)
[12:16] <Moltov> its just useless being its a room and a half away from the router
[12:17] <Joshooa> how does ifconfig not do anything?
[12:17] <Joshooa> !ifconfig
[12:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ifconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:17] <Joshooa> psh
[12:19] <Moltov> ... Im increasingly odded out here...
[12:20] <Moltov> And wish i hadnt listened to cpk1... nothing he told me to do worked... >.>
[12:22] <ekul`> I'm kind of confused, is kubuntu completely seperate to ubuntu, or as I have ubutnu can i install kubuntu ontop and have the option of using KDE or Gnome?
[12:22] <Joshooa> I have a dilema
[12:22] <SlackRat> ekul, you can add kde to ubuntu
[12:22] <SlackRat> and xfce as well
[12:22] <Moltov> Ekul': That is a bit of an odd sortout...
[12:22] <Joshooa> That's how I got kubuntu
[12:22] <Joshooa> had ubuntu, used the terminal to get the kde extension, and here i am
[12:22] <SlackRat> me too, its more stable i think, if i build kubuntu on top of an ubuntu base
[12:23] <Moltov> *chuckles* I actualy installed off the kubuntu install dvd...
[12:23] <ekul`> Ahh cool, whats the extentiont o download kde, if you got it there
[12:23] <ekul`> to*
[12:23] <Joshooa> not sure
[12:23] <Joshooa> I read it somewhee
[12:23] <Joshooa> where
[12:23] <SlackRat> sudo apt-get install kde-desktop?
[12:23] <Moltov> should be
[12:23] <ekul`> Thanks :)
[12:23] <SlackRat> should get you up and running and you can build on that
[12:24] <ekul`> any complex setting up? (still very new to linux, so will it just give me an option at login?)
[12:24] <Moltov> So any idea on my pesky situation slack?
[12:24] <SlackRat> no, you should be able to choose kde at boot time
[12:24] <SlackRat> from the login splash, under sessions i think
[12:24] <Joshooa> Well you log in then go to options where you type in your name, and then select kde
[12:24] <ekul`> excellent, thanks :)
[12:24] <SlackRat> Moltov, not at the moment
[12:25] <Moltov> Its kinda strange too...
[12:25] <SlackRat> ekul, you can make kde the default autologin desktop as well if you wnat
[12:25] <Moltov> The light on my wireless card is blinking as if its initiated, yet... its useless as far as i can summerise.
[12:25] <SlackRat> Moltov, i find my kubuntu box sometimes just doesnt connect and a reboot finds my wifi
[12:25] <SlackRat> happened yesterday
[12:26] <ekul`> awesome :D thanks
[12:26] <SlackRat> no problem ekul
[12:26] <SlackRat> heh
[12:26] <Moltov> ... find the card or your network?
[12:26] <ekul`> now i got my sound working, and .avi files, im never going back
[12:26] <Joshooa> I am getting ready to remove windows entirely
[12:26] <SlackRat> seems to lose the network
[12:26] <Joshooa> Oh, although
[12:26] <Joshooa> I have like, 30 Gigs of software/games downloaded, for windows, s hould I just format those too?
[12:26] <Moltov> Yeah see thats the thing, i since what i did with cpk1, have no wlan0 device.
[12:26] <Joshooa> Or burn 8 DVDs?
[12:26] <Moltov> Depends
[12:27] <SlackRat> joshooa, if you are a gamer, why dump windows?
[12:27] <ekul`> im thinking of doing that, gonna back up some of the videos though
[12:27] <Moltov> whats your computers stats?
[12:27] <ekul`> cant be bothered downloading those big torrents again
[12:27] <Joshooa> I'm not really
[12:27] <ekul`> im keeping windows just for gaming, but i want to set it up on my other box
[12:27] <SlackRat> what does Kwifi show you?
[12:27] <Joshooa> But I have some games, I hardly install them, but I'm always like, why delete them?
[12:27] <Joshooa> Also, everyone i know has windows, so they might like them
[12:27] <SlackRat> KWifiManager
[12:27] <Moltov> ?
[12:27] <Moltov> umm
[12:28] <Moltov> i think i dont have it come to think of it
[12:28] <Moltov> I have wlan assistant, but... even I know its...
[12:28] <SlackRat> try and fire it from cli, then if not , apt get it
[12:28] <Moltov> *coughs* that computers not online atm, and i kinda lost the dvd
[12:28] <SlackRat> it allows you to see if your devices are detected and activated in a gui
[12:28] <SlackRat> heh
[12:29] <SlackRat> kinda lost?
[12:29] <Moltov> But i can find a package ^.^
[12:29] <Moltov> well
[12:29] <Moltov> i know its in my room... somewhere
[12:29] <SlackRat> like 'kinda pregnant'?
[12:29] <Moltov> Nah...
[12:29] <Moltov> you CAN kinda lose something.
[12:30] <Moltov> In my case i know what 360 cubic feet of space its in.
[12:30] <SlackRat> true, and at that moment, it is for all intensive purposes, lost....
[12:30] <SlackRat> :-P
[12:30] <Moltov> Just, not where in that 360 cubic feet.
[12:31] <Moltov> Though, realy, thats more like... 288 cubic feet, since i can count out my bed...
[12:31] <SlackRat> heh, thats what you think
[12:31] <Moltov> But anyway, ill go download it and burn it lol
[12:31] <Moltov> !kwifimanager
[12:31] <Moltov> aww
[12:31] <Moltov> was curious
[12:31] <ubotu> kwifimanager: wireless lan manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 224 kB, installed size 780 kB
[12:32] <Moltov> ah there we are... humm damn no link
[12:34] <uros> hi all. 2 questions: 1/ how do i set a command to be run everytime i log on (it is a sudo command)? 2/ why can i run kppp from one user but not from the other on this computer (could not find executable?)
[12:35] <SlackRat> second user doesnt have sudo rights is my guess
[12:36] <SlackRat> so the exe isnt found for that user
[12:38] <uros> slackrat: tnx. worked.
[12:39] <uros> question left: how do i do "sudo rfcomm bind /dev/rfcomm0" automatically on login of any user?
[12:39] <SlackRat> probably by editing your init scripts
[12:39] <uros> slackrat: where are those?
[12:40] <SlackRat> the scripts controlling your startup runlevels and processes
[12:40] <SlackRat> /etc
[12:40] <SlackRat> check out the docs, its been awhile since i tampered with debian style init scrips
[12:41] <uros> will do
[12:41] <SlackRat> so you'd prolly get a (wrong) slackware answer, heh
[12:41] <SlackRat> check the forums and google debian init scripts startup processes ,,,,or the like
[12:44] <Moltov> *sighs hitting his head aginst the wall*
[12:44] <Moltov> just... a month and a half more...
[12:44] <Moltov> Thats all i ask... of this poor thing...
[12:47] <Moltov> HAH i tricked it into talking to the damn wlan card again... >.> but it adds a whole nother step to booting up and getting it working...
[12:49] <Joshooa> as long as it works
[12:51] <Moltov> Geh... Ill find some pro tomorrow evening, that can help me get it actualy fixed... but it works for now... and is nearing 4am, so im starting to get tired ^.^
[12:51] <Moltov> I suspect that stuf he had me do, messed with how it was booting, and caused something there... No clue how.
[12:52] <Moltov> Probobly related to its malf in the first place... but lol.
[12:52] <Moltov> Well ciao... half hope half dont hope to see you around.
[12:55] <Joshooa> Hey where are you from?
[12:55] <Joshooa> aw
[12:59] <Joshooa> Should I make a 100MB boot partition at the beginning of my drive?
[01:00] <Joshooa> anyone?
[01:02] <intelikey> well i guess i got this thing back like it was before it got like it is.
[01:03] <Joshooa> but then that means it is how it was
[01:03] <Joshooa> that's like an infinite loop sentnse
[01:03] <intelikey> yeah that's what i said.
[01:03] <greenguy> Is there any polish kubuntu user?
[01:03] <Joshooa> sentence*
[01:03] <intelikey> greenguy yes.  there might be a channel
[01:04] <intelikey> what's the two letter country code to poland ?
[01:05] <intelikey> !pl
[01:05] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[01:05] <greenguy> intelikey do you know the channel name?
[01:05] <intelikey> see ubotu  ^
[01:06] <Joshooa> should I make a 100mb boot partition or is that not needed?
[01:06] <greenguy> yes, pl
[01:07] <greenguy> ubotu dzieki ;)
[01:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dzieki ;) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:07] <intelikey> Joshooa depends on many other things.   1. can grub read the root fs   2  will you be mounting the boot partition manually    3 do you like having a boot partition....   and other things
[01:07] <greenguy> I saw ... thank you intelikey
[01:07] <waylandbill> Joshooa: you can, but that's really just for when bios' had trouble with large drives.
[01:07] <Joshooa> ok
[01:07] <intelikey> !welcome | greenguy
[01:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about welcome - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:08] <intelikey> !thanks | greenguy
[01:08] <ubotu> greenguy: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[01:08] <Joshooa> Well, I have a 40GB and a 200GB and I am deciding how to partition everything before I reinstall, Kubuntu first, windows second just for backup, and maybe for games
[01:09] <intelikey> Joshooa install windows first that way windows doesn't mess up the linux install
[01:09] <intelikey> can be done either way,   just goes smoother one way.
[01:09] <Joshooa> Will it do that? Damn, I was thinking linux first so it's closer to the center
[01:10] <intelikey> closer to the center ?  how big a windows ho you gona make ?
[01:11] <Joshooa> Not sure
[01:11] <Joshooa> I want it minimal, like for emergencies, but then again I may want it to play games sometimes l ike on the network or something
[01:11] <waylandbill> Joshooa: it's uncommon to find a system with a 1024 cylinder bios limitation anymore, so needing a small /boot partition isn't really necessary.
[01:12] <Joshooa> waylandbill: Thanks, I didn't think it was necessary, but I read something and it said I should, but was a very short article and didn't say why and I couldn't tell how old it was
[01:12] <intelikey> waylandbill as long as the bios can read the root fs.
[01:12] <intelikey> you get large enough you still get out of reach for grub.
[01:14] <SlackRat> windows installer, aka the MS virus, tends to wipe out linux partitons
[01:14] <waylandbill> intelikey: if I'm getting that large, I'm getting a mobo that can read that large too. :-)
[01:14] <intelikey> keep in mind that the same old problems are not gone away just pushed farther down the road.
[01:14] <waylandbill> indeed
[01:15] <intelikey> there is always a limit.
[01:16] <intelikey> even 40billion gig would still be a limit and someone would want to exceed it.
[01:16] <Joshooa> So if my first drive is 40 GB, and second is 200, how should I set up my partitions for Windows and Linux?
[01:17] <intelikey> Joshooa are you going to use one disk for a backup + storage ?
[01:17] <Joshooa> Yea
[01:17] <Joshooa> Well
[01:17] <Joshooa> partition the 200GB, some storage some linux prob
[01:17] <waylandbill> windows wants to be on the boot drive, otherwise you'll be needing to modify the boot.ini after install
[01:18] <Joshooa> well forget that
[01:18] <intelikey> yeah or trick it into thinking it's on the boot drive.
[01:18] <waylandbill> I guess I should phrase that as windows assumes it's going to be on the boot drive.
[01:19] <intelikey> "all drives are boot drives, in this 8 disk box"
[01:19] <Joshooa> Windows assumes it's the only thing in the world too
[01:19] <intelikey> yep that's why you need to install it first.
[01:19] <PhinnFort> this is weird when updating with Adept Updater, in Feisty: i get something that seems like the default layout from KDevelop, named "Debconf on tripleseven" (where tripleseven is my hostname), and it whines about nice values....
[01:19] <intelikey> windows will rewrite your boot sector
[01:20] <intelikey> PhinnFort did you renice it ?
[01:20] <PhinnFort> intelikey: nope
[01:20] <intelikey> hmmm
[01:21] <PhinnFort> it says "Incorrect nice value, input an integer between -19 and 20" or something, with a button that says "Next", and clicking that one results in...nothing
[01:21] <ddwagnz> holy cow thats alot of users
[01:21] <PhinnFort> i can click cancel, and adept fails
[01:21] <intelikey> PhinnFort might mention it in  #ubuntu+1   the feisty channel  and see what they say
[01:21] <PhinnFort> mkay
[01:21] <intelikey> ddwagnz where ?
[01:21] <ddwagnz> wat
[01:22] <intelikey> ddwagnz lot of users ??? where ?
[01:22] <ddwagnz> here
[01:22] <PhinnFort> there?
[01:22] <intelikey> nah
[01:22] <ddwagnz> more than i am used to
[01:22] <intelikey> look in #ubuntu   3x this many
[01:22] <PhinnFort> go to #ubuntu to see users
[01:22] <ddwagnz> haha
[01:22] <PhinnFort> dang
[01:22] <ddwagnz> MukiEX!!!
[01:23] <intelikey> gentoo is heavy traffic   so is debian
[01:23] <intelikey> add # to those ^
[01:23] <PhinnFort> well, I used to hang in #gentoo-amd64
[01:23] <ddwagnz> mhmm anyway
[01:23] <PhinnFort> less traffic, mroe nice people;)
[01:23] <ddwagnz> i came here for some questions
[01:23] <ddwagnz> unless i can find them on the forums hehe
[01:24] <ddwagnz> so i'll get back to you guys
[01:24] <intelikey> ddwagnz i already asked you one.
[01:24] <intelikey> :)
[01:24] <ddwagnz> =/
[01:24] <ddwagnz> meh
[01:24] <intelikey> how many do you want ?
[01:24] <intelikey> there's two
[01:24] <intelikey> no really ask away.
[01:25] <intelikey> could ask so i can call the bot for you
[01:25] <intelikey> !bot
[01:25] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:26] <PhinnFort> !forum question
[01:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about forum question - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:26] <PhinnFort> !forums question
[01:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about forums question - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:27] <intelikey> PhinnFort and ubotu claims to know everything...   heh
[01:27] <Joshooa> !faq
[01:27] <ubotu> faq is http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions Official documentation is at http://help.ubuntu.com IRC FAQ: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage
[01:27] <intelikey> !fat
[01:27] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[01:27] <Joshooa> well I tried
[01:28] <ddwagnz> i might of found something that i need answering on forums =/
[01:28] <intelikey> !redhat
[01:28] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[01:29] <ddwagnz> ok it hasnt asnwered it
[01:30] <Joshooa> So, if I made my 40GB Windows, and then put Kubuntu on my 200GB, would Grub still work as my boot loader?
[01:30] <intelikey> yep
[01:30] <Joshooa> ok good I thought os
[01:30] <Joshooa> so*
[01:30] <intelikey> Joshooa but why give the whole disk to win ?
[01:31] <Joshooa> So I can install a bunch of games and stuff too
[01:31] <intelikey> you can put win on half of that and linux on the other and have the big disk free for later
[01:31] <intelikey> just a thought.
[01:31] <Joshooa> Then cut up the 200GB into swap, and 2 linux drives and just ignore the 40GB under Kubuntu
[01:32] <intelikey> you hardware.  your os.
[01:32] <tuco> Hello guys. Question of the hour, I have an acer 5670 laptop with an integrated card reader, but when I insert an sd card for example I can't see it in my storage media folder. Any hint?
[01:32] <intelikey> you/your
[01:32] <intelikey> insert correct modules ?
[01:33] <Joshooa> Well, at this point, I have 38BG in programs, and that's images not installed, 5GB of music maybe and also documents and pics I want to save
[01:33] <Joshooa> You want my hardware and os?
[01:34] <intelikey> Joshooa heh no.  was just commenting that it's all up to you.
[01:34] <intelikey> your hardware, your os, your choice.
[01:34] <Joshooa> o ok
[01:35] <Joshooa> But I want as much input as I can, so I can get in partitioned and installed the best way, so later when I learn something I'm less likey to wish I did it differently, which you may already know to help me
[01:35] <intelikey> could give them half each of the big disk and have the small one free.
[01:35] <tuco> I would rerquire some help please.
[01:35] <ddwagnz> ok i may of found what i am looking for but it seems an long process to go through so heres my question
[01:35] <ddwagnz> logging into Root user on the live cd!
[01:35] <ddwagnz> how
[01:36] <ddwagnz> hehe
[01:36] <ddwagnz> its do able on ubuntu but not kubuntu!
[01:36] <intelikey> ddwagnz  sudo -i
[01:36] <ddwagnz> and that does?
[01:36] <ddwagnz> hehe
[01:37] <intelikey> ddwagnz answers your question.   how to become root on the live cd.
[01:37] <DeLeTeR> join #ubuntu-ru
[01:37] <intelikey> !root | ddwagnz
[01:37] <ubotu> ddwagnz: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:38] <ddwagnz> ok
[01:39] <intelikey> ddwagnz  man intro       man man     then when someone mentions a command you can just   man "said command"    and see what they are talking about
[01:39] <ddwagnz> hmm
[01:39] <intelikey> and yes you type that in a  konsole
[01:40] <intelikey> or in konqueror's address bar   man:/intro
[01:40] <ddwagnz> ok
[01:41] <ddwagnz> right. i shall be back later if i need more help!
[01:41] <intelikey> we'll be expecting you.
[01:46] <Mydoom666> Bonjour
[01:47] <intelikey> i have all these programs to choose from... but i don't really want to install anything...    there's kinda a minimalist thing going on....
[01:47] <intelikey> your doom six houndred three score and six...
[01:47] <intelikey> hmmm
[02:05] <intelikey> there sure is a lot of quiet in here .....
[02:06] <intelikey> i have some mis-matched hardware,  i have a 9 pin usb port and a 16 pin plug on the motherboard... any way to make them play togather ?
[02:13] <turf_> hello =)
[02:16] <intelikey> rm /var/lib/dpkg/updates/*
[02:19] <oem> good morning all
[02:19] <Admiral_Chicago> hello
[02:19] <madmalde> Hi@all
[02:20] <oem> ok so katapult will not open i get an hour glass and then the hourglass dissapears so does add remove (Lost and Found)
[02:20] <oem> any suggestions?
[02:20] <renato> hi, I have a ubuntu linux box that I am using as a server. it has just one ip address, but I would like to associate to it several services served via http, so, for example, if it's name is server.mydomain.com, I would like to have  webmail.mydomain.com being provided by the same server providing the page /PATH/webmail, how do I do that? is it even possible?
[02:21] <SlackRat> hit alt-space and katapult should show up
[02:21] <fulat2k_> any idea where i can get more gtk styles for kde in addition to qt and raleigh which is included in kde?
[02:21] <oem> no dice
[02:22] <SlackRat> what does it say when you try from konsole?
[02:22] <waylandbill> renato: yes. you have to manage the subdomains to resolve to the correct location and it differs based on the tools available from your registrar
[02:22] <oem> who are you talking to?
[02:23] <SlackRat> you
[02:23] <SlackRat> who is who talking to?
[02:23] <oem> sec i will try it in Konsol
[02:23] <SlackRat> heh
[02:24] <happytiger> How to make knetworkmanager in feisty remeber passwords for wpa encrypted nets. I have to renter everytime I reboot
[02:24] <renato> waylandbill, ok, I guess I have to set up  (at my registar) a subdomain crm.mydomain.com that points to the same ip address, then (I am trying to use webmin) to set up a virtual server that associate  crm.mydomain.com to a path file, is that correct?
[02:26] <fulat2k_> happytiger: it uses kdewallet to store the passwords.  does kdewallet gets initialised?
[02:26] <waylandbill> renato: yeah. that sounds about right.
[02:26] <asaup> hi all
[02:26] <asaup> my disk space
[02:26] <asaup> is going at 0 mb
[02:26] <asaup> how is it possible ??
[02:27] <bxnp> lol, well if you use it in the end it will be full i guess
[02:27] <asaup> no man
[02:27] <renato> asaup I am just not sure how (in webmin) to connect crm.mydomain.com to the directory, it seems to want an A record, not a CNAME
[02:27] <asaup> i mean
[02:27] <oem> what is the link for pastebin?
[02:27] <renato> (mind you all, I am still llearning)
[02:27] <asaup> i have a super karamba widget
[02:27] <asaup> where i can show with my eyes
[02:28] <asaup> that it goes like this
[02:28] <asaup> 638mb , 630 , 627
[02:28] <asaup> and i am not downloading anythink
[02:28] <asaup> ??
[02:28] <asaup> how can this be possible
[02:29] <bxnp> log files created by daemons
[02:29] <bxnp> your own content
[02:29] <bxnp> i dont know, maybe you are hacked
[02:29] <oem> oem@ubuntu:~$ katapult
[02:29] <oem> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 154
[02:29] <oem>   Major opcode:  143
[02:29] <oem>   Minor opcode:  3
[02:29] <oem>   Resource id:  0x0
[02:30] <b0rt> hey there, how can i install a package with all it dependencies, apt-get -f install .... didnt work
[02:30] <oem> Failed to open device
[02:30] <waylandbill> renato: I don't use webmin, so I can't help you there.
[02:30] <oem> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 154
[02:30] <oem>   Major opcode:  143
[02:30] <oem>   Minor opcode:  3
[02:30] <oem>   Resource id:  0x0
[02:30] <oem> Failed to open device
[02:30] <oem> oem@ubuntu:~$
[02:30] <renato> ok
[02:30] <SlackRat> sudo apt-get install <pkgname>
[02:30] <b0rt> SlackRat: i get problem with broken dependencies
[02:30] <waylandbill> oem: remove the devices from xorg.conf that don't exist in your system (such as wacom device)
[02:31] <oem> i would but am unclear how i have only had this for about 3 days or so
[02:32] <waylandbill> oem: backup the file and remove the devices that don't exist. The /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you the ones that don't exist.
[02:32] <SlackRat> bart, might be a problem with pkgs at the moment , apt gets the deps if it can
[02:33] <oem> Unknown host xorg.conf
[02:33] <SlackRat> oem, try reinstalling katapult? remove and install again?
[02:33] <b0rt> ic... =/ thanks SlackRat
[02:34] <waylandbill> oem: it's a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:34] <SlackRat> oem ,  i get errors as well when i fire apps from command line, but most work after the xorg errors
[02:34] <oem> ok
[02:34] <SlackRat> dapper or edgy?
[02:35] <waylandbill> SlackRat: most times that's okay, but say when smb4k sets up the sudoers file, you could get locked out of sudo because it puts those errors into the sudoers file.
[02:35] <oem> ok how do i fix this so Xorg doesnt fail
[02:35] <waylandbill> it's just a simple case of devices that don't exist and an easy fix is to comment them out.
[02:36] <oem> i am using edgy
[02:36] <SlackRat> hmn, im on dapper, check the forums to see if this is a problem already reported
[02:36] <oem> i did and hasnt been reported as of yet
[02:38] <oem> my version # for edgy is X Window System Version 7.1.1
[02:40] <waylandbill> I've seen it on the forums before. It may have had different device numbers, but I'm almost positive I've seen similar
[02:41] <loris> ciao
[02:41] <iltomee> hi, can someone help: X wont start, I have to install the nvidia kernel modul each time i reboot, I just installed some updates, im still using breazy, can someone help
[02:41] <oem> ok well i just got done with work and probably shouldnt be editting this untill i have had some sleep. I like the way i have it set up and well i have already broken the platform once lol dont want to reinstall just yet LMAO
[02:42] <b0rt> SlackRat: do u know about libqt3-mt 3:3.3.7 ?
[02:42] <b0rt> why i cant upgrade from 3:3.3.6
[02:42] <SlackRat> get some sleep, but you could reinstall katapult prolly without headaches and see what happens
[02:42] <oem> ok
[02:42] <SlackRat> what version are you using bort?
[02:43] <oem> ty guys i appreciate you helping a convert out
[02:43] <b0rt> im using 3:3.3.6 and i need .7 as dependency
[02:43] <SlackRat> what kubuntu version?
[02:43] <b0rt> 6.10
[02:44] <eilker> aftes upgrading to edgy, splash texts are so small, anyone knows solution ?
[02:44] <SlackRat> bort, maybe youre trying to upgrade to an incompatible version
[02:44] <b0rt> ic
[02:44] <b0rt> how can i check it?
[02:45] <b0rt> if 6.10 is compatible with libqt3-mt 3:3.3.7 ?
[02:46] <SlackRat> google?
[02:47] <b0rt> k... ill have a look, thanks SlackRat
[02:47] <b0rt> =)
[02:47] <SlackRat> cheers
[02:51] <frit> hello
[02:51] <mix_> hello! Does anyone know,why KDE isn't start in my kubuntu?
[02:51] <frit> how do i add some source ? for the aptitude , because i can't get amsn :/
[02:52] <SlackRat> mix, you have to be a  bit more specific?
[02:52] <frit> i also tried with apt-cache search amsn but no way
[02:53] <Timsen> frit just edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:53] <mix_> SlackRat sure, the kuubuntu graphic is loading,the bar under logo is finished,but i see black window :(
[02:53] <frit> ok Timsen , but should i add in this file ? :)
[02:53] <frit> +what
[02:54] <SlackRat> check the kubuntu forums under the version youre running
[02:54] <Timsen> you can check if the multiverse and universe repositories are included and that there is no ' infront the line
[02:54] <SlackRat> ive heard that before, you may have to configure xorg to run right
[02:54] <Timsen> i mena no # infront of the line @ frit
[02:54] <frit> right Timsen
[02:54] <frit> thx
[02:54] <mix_> ok,i'll check it /SlackRat
[02:55] <Timsen> after you commented the line in, you first must an apt-get update @ frit
[02:55] <frit> ok
[02:55] <frit> i'll do that
[02:55] <Timsen> good luck
[02:55] <frit> because i aslo wanted xchat
[02:55] <frit> but i can only get xchat-gnome
[02:55] <frit> which i din'yt like wery much :p
[02:56] <frit> thx Timsen
[02:56] <frit> later ;)
[02:56] <Timsen> you could have a look to konversation
[02:56] <Timsen> it is also a nice irc client as i know
[02:57] <frit> ?
[02:57] <frit> i don't know this one :)
[02:57] <frit> i'll test ^^
[02:58] <eilker> aftes upgrading to edgy, splash texts are so small, anyone knows solution ?
[02:59] <eilker> how can i solve that ?
[03:00] <frit> cool Timsen it's nice :) i prefer taht than xchat :)
[03:03] <wargoth> hi all
[03:06] <pwn4tt4ck> hey, have a question in the offtopic, someone plz answer?
[03:17] <eilker> Segmentation fault kiba-dock , any experience ?
[03:27] <devilsadvocate> how do i increase my mouse sensitivity?
[03:32] <BluesKaj> Howdy All :)
[03:32] <jhutchins> Mornin' BluesKaj.
[03:35] <BluesKaj> hi jhutchins , how goes it ?  .... lotsa splittsville here lately
[03:40] <nino> una scomoda verit
[03:41] <BluesKaj> !es
[03:41] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:41] <nino> ciao
[03:41] <BluesKaj> !it
[03:41] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:49] <eze> wath it is?
[03:51] <jokin> hi
[03:51] <jokin> is there someone alive?
[03:51] <jokin> :-)
[03:51] <fzf> nope sry :P
[03:52] <jokin> fzf: should I use adept for select/deselect universe/multiverse?
[03:52] <jokin> where can I configure that with a GUI?
[03:52] <fzf> yes why not
[03:52] <fzf> u can do it w/ adept
[03:52] <jokin> I know how to do it by hand in konsole, but is I need to know if it is posible with gui for a friend
[03:52] <jokin> fzf: where adept have that option?
[03:53] <fzf> w8
[03:53] <jokin> I selected view propietary and restricted
[03:53] <khaije> my X server isn't displaying the color black properly, it's a mix of granulated colors. Restarting X seems to fix this but does anyone know if I can fix it w/o losing my current session?
[03:53] <jokin> and if I do apt-cache search mplayer there is not package
[03:53] <jokin> neither wine or other
[03:53] <fzf> select view > repo or something like that
[03:54] <fzf> im not using english version
[03:55] <khaije> it only happens after a reboot for some reason meh
[03:56] <LL_Hakaisou> oy...
[03:56] <fzf> khaije that might be ur display driver fault
[03:56] <LL_Hakaisou> what ports do i need to forward in my router for ktorrent?
[03:56] <guiden_> how do I get rid of old search history? If I get a match with an old search thing, the old replaces the words that I typed
[03:56] <khaije> fzf: that sounds reasonable, it's the nvidia restricted blob :-/
[03:57] <fzf> khaije switch to vesa and check it up then
[03:58] <LL_Hakaisou> guiden_ | that's usually a browser thing, what browser are you using?
[03:58] <guiden_> konqueror
[03:59] <fuel> why is kwin-crystal binded to kubuntu-default-setting?
[04:01] <LL_Hakaisou> sorry, i couldn't tell you man
[04:01] <LL_Hakaisou> i use firefox myself
[04:01] <guiden_> ok
[04:02] <slawek> hello
[04:02] <LL_Hakaisou> god i cannot wait for my ram shipment to come in
[04:02] <slawek> i'm new to linux
[04:02] <LL_Hakaisou> salwek | hello
[04:02] <LL_Hakaisou> slawek even
[04:02] <slawek> and i have few questions
[04:02] <chino> does the k cd have the same stuff as the regular one ?
[04:02] <JackPhil> howto get root privilege with konqueror?
[04:02] <slawek> first about the mic in skype
[04:02] <JackPhil> must kdesu?
[04:02] <Dr_willis> JackPhil,  basicially
[04:02] <slawek> it doesn't work
[04:03] <LL_Hakaisou> JackPhil | open a terminal and use the command kdesu konqueror
[04:03] <Dr_willis> JackPhil,  i tend to use 'mc' in a terminal, to do my root file managing needs. :)
[04:03] <chino> can you guys send me a link for the live cd ?
[04:03] <jhutchins> LL_Hakaisou: Why a terminal?  Why not just Alt-F2?
[04:03] <LL_Hakaisou> same thing really
[04:04] <LL_Hakaisou> i have an applet button for Konsole on my kicker
[04:04] <visik7> anyone here use filelight
[04:04] <LL_Hakaisou> woo, look at me slinging around the process names XD
[04:04] <chino> whats up with the alternate cd ?
[04:04] <LL_Hakaisou> alternate CD?
[04:04] <LL_Hakaisou> O_)
[04:04] <jhutchins> chino: The kubuntu CD uses KDE, the ubuntu CD uses Gnome.
[04:05] <LL_Hakaisou> did you buy a bundle or something?
[04:05] <chino> jhutchins:  thats the only differnce ?
[04:05] <chino> im just wondering if they are biased
[04:05] <Dr_willis> first thing i do is put an icon for Konsole onto the panel.
[04:05] <jhutchins> !alternate | chino
[04:05] <ubotu> chino: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[04:05] <chino> like if kubuntu is 2nd rate
[04:05] <slawek> what to do with that??? "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-pi-gtk-3320"                                                                                swt-pi-gtk in swt.library.path, java.libary.path or the jar file
[04:05] <Dr_willis> chino,  i install Ubuntu and Kubuntu both . :) that way i can use gnome or kde.
[04:05] <Dr_willis> Linux is about Choices.
[04:05] <chino> lol
[04:05] <chino> dont give me a speach
[04:06] <chino> i been using linux 6 years
[04:06] <jhutchins> chino: There's also xubuntu, which uses xfce.
[04:06] <Dr_willis> 6 yrs? thats it!
[04:06] <chino> i jsut want to see how good kubuntu got since last time i tried it
[04:06] <LL_Hakaisou> or you can install either one and then install the GUI package of your choice later
[04:06] <chino> heh.. thats it!
[04:06] <Dr_willis> I got underware older then that. :)
[04:06] <LL_Hakaisou> the only difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu is the GUI
[04:06] <chino> thats funny that they call xfce light weight... sure its smaller but its not light weight.... they should have a blackbox or xwin version for a "light wieght" desktop
[04:06] <LL_Hakaisou> I've been using linux for......... 2 weeks :D
[04:07] <Dr_willis> I normally install the 'ubuntu' version, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop first thing.   some tools i like to use are gnome bases, some are kde based..
[04:07] <LL_Hakaisou> I've also decided that I'm not gonna go back to windows =D
[04:07] <chino> idk i just had a feeling kubuntu was being less developed i was wondering why gnome is the default... i think kde is better but i know its opinion
[04:07] <Dr_willis> gnome is the default because from a 'tech support' point of view i guess.. its 'easier' to  keep people from screwing things up. :)
[04:08] <chino> i personally wonna see this new gui based management tool you guys been working on to replace the kde control center.....
[04:08] <Dr_willis> easier to  teach when theres less options.
[04:08] <LL_Hakaisou> Now, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get lynched for asking this, but is there a Vista/OSX like GUI package for linux?
[04:08] <chino> and whats up with the osdl desktop installer .. .they ever finish that yet ?
[04:08] <Dr_willis> LL_Hakaisou,  you mean a OS-X theme for KDE ?
[04:08] <LL_Hakaisou> not really a theme
[04:08] <schtr4jh> hello!
[04:09] <LL_Hakaisou> mostly widgets
[04:09] <schtr4jh> can anybody help me?
[04:09] <slawek> one more time :Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-pi-gtk-3320 or swt-pi-gtk in swt.library.path, java.libary.path or the jar file
[04:09] <LL_Hakaisou> schtr4jh | Hello!
[04:09] <slawek> i got that when i;m trying to run azureus
[04:09] <LL_Hakaisou> we will attempt to
[04:09] <schtr4jh> i want to mount my d: partition on windows xp, that ican usethat files on kubuntu
[04:09] <Dr_willis> LL_Hakaisou,  theres the superkaramba stuff for all sorts of idiotic desktop widgets. :)
[04:10] <Dr_willis> schtr4jh,   huh.. we need co clarify what you are doing.
[04:10] <LL_Hakaisou> i take offense with that idiotic desktop widget comment.... XFD
[04:10] <Dr_willis> your D: is a windows drive?
[04:10] <Dr_willis> LL_Hakaisou,  good. :)
[04:10] <LL_Hakaisou> haha
[04:10] <chino> so the live cd is also an installer ?.... isn' that wierd ? are they trying to breka the paradigm ?  i gues it would be easier to just create a tool that runs on a stable live cd to install...
[04:10] <Dr_willis> LL_Hakaisou,  after seeing the plague of eyecandy comming this way....
[04:10] <schtr4jh> no...my windows drive is C, but i have music, movies, programs on D partition (drive)
[04:10] <Dr_willis> chino,  using a live cd as an installer is gettting common.
[04:11] <LL_Hakaisou> there is only one legitmate widget i really want
[04:11] <LL_Hakaisou> post-it notes
[04:11] <Dr_willis> schtr4jh,  but it is a WINDOWS FORMATED Drive.. since its D: its using NTFS filesystem?
[04:11] <soulrider> chino: it pissed me off when i downloaded hte suse live DVD and discovered i couldnt install it with it. Sucha  waste of bandwith and media
[04:11] <Dr_willis> 'windows drive' = one thats useable by windows. :)
[04:11] <LL_Hakaisou> 5 bucks says yes
[04:11] <schtr4jh> yes, it is using ntfs
[04:11] <Dr_willis> schtr4jh,  theres a great many docs out on how to get read/write access to ntfs partitions.  lets see....
[04:11] <soulrider> lol
[04:12] <Dr_willis> !ntfs-3g
[04:12] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[04:12] <LL_Hakaisou> wait though
[04:12] <Dr_willis> schtr4jh,  for read only access its fairly easy.
[04:12] <Dr_willis> !ntfs
[04:12] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:12] <LL_Hakaisou> it's not truly safe to use though
[04:12] <soulrider> im going to study, bbl!
[04:12] <Dr_willis> I go the other route and let windows read/write my ext2/3 partitions
[04:12] <soulrider> i use ntfs-3g and it worked like a charm
[04:12] <Dr_willis> !ext3
[04:12] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[04:13] <LL_Hakaisou> which reminds me
[04:13] <comosicus> hy
[04:13] <LL_Hakaisou> nah, i'll mess with that later
[04:13] <slawek> so i'm guessing no one had that problem with java??
[04:13] <slawek> ;/
[04:14] <comosicus> i'm trying to connect on a specific server and i can't do it. where i can ask for help
[04:14] <Dr_willis> slawek,  i cant recall many problems with it
[04:14] <slawek> sh**
[04:14] <Dr_willis> comosicus,  connect 'how' ?
[04:14] <comosicus> i trying use kopete to connect on a irc server
[04:15] <slawek> google didn't helped either
[04:15] <okay> hi
[04:15] <guiden_> GOOGLE IS STORING DATABASES OF PEOPLES SEARCHES!
[04:15] <andrian> greetings, in drapper and edgy as well the dma is droped on eject, have to put it back manually every time to read a dvd, is there a solution to that ?
[04:16] <Dr_willis> guiden_,  so?
[04:16] <slawek> guiden yes it is but not with my problems :D
[04:16] <comosicus> i'v been add the server on my  kopete but ........ name lookup has failed. Trying to reconnect.
[04:16] <guiden_> dr_willis, it's about integrity and freedom
[04:16] <guiden_> don't you know about that stuff?
[04:16] <comosicus> what it means " name lookup has failed. Trying to reconnect."
[04:16] <chino> yea in reality its a dam good idea... iget to donwload the live cd use it as a full blown desktop... then just install it!! yea..
[04:16] <Dr_willis> guiden_,  and this is imporntant to a LINUX channel in what way...
[04:16] <chino> so should i get the desktop one or the alternate ?
[04:17] <Chousuke> guiden_: What does it matter if google knows what people search for.
[04:17] <Dr_willis> comosicus,  i would guess the dns server failed to get the ip of the servername
[04:17] <chino> can i still get the addvanced setup menu in the desktop cd ?
[04:17] <guiden_> I just asked how do get rid of the search history in konqureror
[04:17] <Dr_willis> chino,  advanced setup?
[04:17] <guiden_> and now I found out,
[04:17] <chino> this is my work laptop im gonna resize the ntfs partition create a new one and install ubuntu there my self... im sure ubuntu can use the 2.6 kernel and the new swap file paradigm... but  I CANNOT HAVE SOME AUTOMATED INSTALLER FRY MY NTFS PARTITION!!!
[04:17] <Jucato> !caps
[04:17] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[04:17] <chino> yea you said the alternate cd had an advanced installer...
[04:18] <comosicus> so what shoud i do?
[04:18] <Chousuke> guiden_: It's their service, and they can store the search keywords you send to them if they want.
[04:18] <chino> i know ubuntu is debian based and last time i let debian installer   work on its own it created like 20 partitions and fried my other ones
[04:18] <chino> lol
[04:18] <Dr_willis> chino,  i had the alternative cd installer resize the ntfs on my laptop. worked fine.. but it pays to backup your hd first.
[04:18] <Dr_willis> chino,  given how much hd's fail.. if you got imporntatnt stuff on your hd.. BACK IT UP now.. :)
[04:18] <chino> hm i thought linux cant resize ntfs ? last time i used the gparted live cd it said it couldn't touch ntfs
[04:19] <Chousuke> guiden_: I'd only be worried if they offered a service to see what someone (that is, a specific person) has searched for.
[04:19] <slawek> thx anyway
[04:19] <slawek> c ya
[04:19] <chino> i dont have important stuff its just a new laptop and if i fry the windows install the corny little ms centric admin here is not gonna give me local admin rights again cause hes gonna have to redo it all over again
[04:19] <Dr_willis> chino,  i think resizing ntfs is getting to be standard/common now. for disrtos.. HOWEVER.. the vista 'improvements' to ntfs. i hear break  the linxu support for ntfs
[04:19] <guiden_> well that's where we are heading, fascism, corporation of everything, the colloborate together in order to control people
[04:19] <guiden_> seriously, usa is heading for fascism
[04:19] <Chousuke> may be.
[04:20] <comosicus> i did not find and alternative server so i really whant to acces this oane
[04:20] <guiden_> after that faked 9/11
[04:20] <Dr_willis> chino,  use a live cd and image the whole hd over over the network to some other machine. :)
[04:20] <Chousuke> Good thing then that I don't live there :)
[04:20] <chino> due im just gonna use the insatlled XP to resize the ntfs drive... why play around?
[04:20] <chino> can i do that ?
[04:20] <chino> what just using dd or something ?
[04:20] <Dr_willis> chino,  i tend to use mondo/mindi. but I belive theres some ntfs specific tools out as well.
[04:20] <Dr_willis> dd can be a bit 'hard-kore' to use. ;)
[04:21] <Dr_willis> and a typo with dd  can be deadly
[04:21] <comosicus> server irc-hispano:6668. this is the server
[04:21] <comosicus> doc  will you help me please
[04:21] <BluesKaj> I suggest you DL Gparted partition Editor , it's a live cd and works very well ...it's aboot disk so make sure your boot sequence looks at the cdrom first
[04:21] <Dr_willis> irc-hispano dosent sound like a correct server name to me.
[04:21] <Dr_willis>  ping irc-hispano.org
[04:21] <Dr_willis> PING irc-hispano.org (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[04:22] <Dr_willis>  however   irc-hispano.org    DOES respond. :)
[04:22] <Dr_willis> so try that server.
[04:22] <chino> Dr_willis:  well like i said im just gonna resize it in xp and ill try to image the resized partition ... but never the less will the desktop version cd allow me to control how the partitions are allocated when i want to install ?
[04:22] <Dr_willis> chino,  ive never noticed XP haveing a 'resize' option/feature
[04:23] <Dr_willis> the desktop cd has a lot of optons on where to partition things.. but i rarely use the lve cd to install. I perfer the alt-install cd.
[04:24] <Dr_willis> http://man.linux-ntfs.org/ntfsprogs.8.html       - the 'ntfs' tools have ntfs clone and other tools. :) you could mirror image your hd over the net to a spare machine.
[04:24] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:24] <chino> Dr_willis:  if you go to control_panel -> admin tools -> computer management -> disk management .... cant i use that ?
[04:24] <comosicus> try what sever since irc hispano does not respond.....you gave me just irc hispano sever
[04:25] <Dr_willis> chino,  i cant rember the last time i use XP..
[04:25] <chino> yea ill just go into the freenode#windows chat... lololol funny that we have one
[04:25] <Dr_willis> chino,  every time i boot to xp it always wants to download updates and force me to reboot.. so.. i rarely use it any more.
[04:26] <Dr_willis> http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page        - is also a must have 'live cd' for system repair/backup/fixing. :) and that gparted live cd./
[04:26] <weatherman> hi, I'm setting up nfs, how do I know the ip of the server?
[04:26] <chino> anyway Dr_willis i have a feeling too that i woudl rather have th alternate cd.. but tell you truth i still wonna have a nice desktop visual cd load up so i can show off how easy it is... people allways argue that linux is so hard... last time i installed kubuntu it was less clicks than windows.. and i bet its better and prettier now... so does the alternate cd come packed iwth "extra" or is it all text based?
[04:27] <Dr_willis> chino,  the latest Knoppix live cd - has Beryl support and other eye candy
[04:27] <Dr_willis> alt cd has different options and a bit more control, and is all text based
[04:27] <Dr_willis> i find it faster. it also is better for low end systems
[04:28] <chino> Dr_willis:  i dont want ot use Knoppix!!! i thought kubuntu live cd came with all the beryl support too ?
[04:28] <LL_Hakaisou> !WIDGET
[04:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about widget - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:28] <LL_Hakaisou> bah
[04:28] <LL_Hakaisou> i must find a post it widget
[04:28] <Dr_willis> chino,  not that i have seen.. at least not USED by default on the live cd...
[04:28] <Jucato> ??
[04:28] <LL_Hakaisou> oh, hello jucato
[04:28] <Jucato> LL_Hakaisou: knotes? superkaramba?
[04:28] <LL_Hakaisou> when'd you get here
[04:28] <Dr_willis> chino,  ive only seen a few live cd's at all that use the Beryl stuff.. its getting more common however.
[04:28] <LL_Hakaisou> !knotes
[04:28] <ubotu> knotes: KDE sticky notes. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 241 kB, installed size 836 kB
[04:29] <Jucato> LL_Hakaisou: knotes is installed by default
[04:29] <Dr_willis> chino,  the ubuntu/kubuntu live cd's are rather 'basic' live cd compared to the others out.
[04:29] <Jucato> LL_Hakaisou: it's started in Kontact, iirc
[04:29] <LL_Hakaisou> oh holy shit yes
[04:29] <chino> hmm. choices choices
[04:30] <chino> yea maybe ill get both because i want to show off the beryl stuff....
[04:30] <Dr_willis> i have a stack of live cd's here. :)
[04:30] <chino> i thought kubuntu installation though came with all the beryl support baked in ?
[04:30] <LL_Hakaisou> i just shelled it
[04:30] <Dr_willis> Puppy linux, Knoppix,  DSL, all had new versions out this week
[04:30] <Dr_willis> chino,  Nope.. bo Beryl by default.
[04:30] <Dr_willis> chino,  the next release was supposed to have it i think..but it got removed also I belive
[04:30] <chino> what... . i sware to god i read that ubuntu has beryl support in x11 and everything allready part of it
[04:31] <LL_Hakaisou> thanks for the knotes tip jucato
[04:31] <Dr_willis> It has 'support' but its not installed by default.. and given howmuch of a problem beryl is...
[04:31] <Jucato> LL_Hakaisou: sure
[04:31] <comosicus> hey doc do you know a spanish channel on ubuntu?
[04:31] <Dr_willis> Beryl is best tried with a live cd... and then rebooted and not used for real work
[04:31] <Dr_willis> !es
[04:31] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:31] <comosicus> thank's
[04:32] <chino> hm i think im gonna download the new knoppix cd then
[04:32] <chino> just for kicks
[04:32] <chino> so o 6.06.1 is the newesst ?
[04:32] <Malph> 6.10
[04:33] <Dr_willis> Feisty Fawn is in testing
[04:33] <Dr_willis> Edgy Eft was the last release. Dapper is the LTS release
[04:33] <Dr_willis> i thinki got that right. :)
[04:34] <Malph> yup but might help others if you put release numbers with the names
[04:34] <Dr_willis> the relase #'s are just the stupid dates. :)
[04:34] <Dr_willis> i found that use of release #'s to be... weird.
[04:35] <Dr_willis> may as well call them    by the names of the  err... states as the entered the union. :)
[04:35] <Dr_willis> heh heh... but ive seen way too many arguments about this.. so i wont start another.
[04:37] <Malph> so dapper was released in may 2006 and edgy was released october of 2006
[04:37] <chino> thanks later
[04:37] <Dr_willis> Malph,  somthing like that..
[04:37] <Dr_willis> edgy was delayed i thought a month however.
[04:37] <Jucato> 6.06 = 2006-06 = 2006 June
[04:37] <Malph> not a bad way of numbering but i kinda prefure the milestones
[04:38] <Jucato> Dr_willis: no. Edgy wasn't delayed
[04:38] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  what one got delayed then? ive frogotten. :)
[04:38] <Dr_willis> then again - now a days i purposly wait 2 months befor updating.
[04:38] <Jucato> Dapper
[04:38] <Dr_willis> its a ZOO out there!
[04:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:38] <patriciacaba> jucato: dapper
[04:38] <Jucato> Dapper got delayed for 2 months, hence, released in June instead of April
[04:38] <Dr_willis> ZooBuntu!
[04:39] <Jucato> Edgy was released on time, which meant that it only had 4 months to be developed
[04:39] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. ZooBuntu would be a neat name..
[04:39] <patriciacaba>  months, hence, release in june instead of april
[04:39] <fuel> Jucato: hello!
[04:39] <Jucato> fuel: hi
[04:40] <Dr_willis> 'History of Ubuntu 101'
[04:40] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:40] <BluesKaj> hows the Fiesty release schedule look ?
[04:40] <Malph> sounds kinda like xubuntu
[04:40] <Jucato> !feisty | BluesKaj
[04:40] <ubotu> BluesKaj: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[04:41] <fuel> blender crashed my system!!!
[04:41] <fuel> :(
[04:41] <patriciacaba> hellooooooooooooo you are whore or prostitute
[04:41] <Jucato> patriciacaba: if you have nothing constructive to do here, please leave
[04:41] <eXistenZ> How can I remap keys in Kubuntu?
[04:41] <patriciacaba> your laugther or son prostituto or whoreeeeee   jeje
[04:42] <Jucato> bah
[04:42] <BluesKaj> hey Jucato , yeah but what's the werd on the.....inside ?   ;>)
[04:42] <LjL> Jucato: you should learn to pre-type the ban and just keep a finger above Enter
[04:42] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: nah i came to bug you
[04:42] <Admiral_Chicago> anyway to clear out my swap
[04:43] <Admiral_Chicago> something is using all of it, I think X
[04:43] <fuel> Jucato: does the transperancy in kwin-crystal work ?
[04:43] <Jucato> BluesKaj: dunno. been out whole day
[04:43] <Admiral_Chicago> btw, you should be working on kubuntu doc with me :)
[04:44] <BluesKaj> Admiral_Chicago, funny , it looks to me like my swap never gets used
[04:44] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: *should*?
[04:44] <Jucato> you're actually telling me that I *should* be doing something? O.o
[04:44] <Admiral_Chicago> haha. i'm working off the SVN, reading them and sending patches to the appropriate people
[04:44] <Admiral_Chicago> got any ideas about my question
[04:45] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: nope. no idea...
[04:45] <Admiral_Chicago> probably something with Feisty
[04:45] <Jucato>  you know where to ask. :D
[04:45] <jhutchins_lt> Admiral_Chicago: How muc ram you have?
[04:46] <Malph> so is the a channel on freenode devoted to ubuntu on ppc
[04:46] <Admiral_Chicago> jhutchins_lt: gig
[04:47] <jhutchins_lt> So it shouldn't be swapping...
[04:47] <Admiral_Chicago> no my syset load is under 25% usually
[04:48] <Jucato> Malph: none that I know of. Ubuntu will be dropping official PPC support btw.
[04:48] <LL_Hakaisou> PPC seems to be going the way of the dodo anyway
[04:48] <jhutchins_lt> Admiral_Chicago: You know tmp goes to ram now, right?  Something filling up /tmp?
[04:48] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll look
[04:49] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm maybe SuperKaramba
[04:50] <Malph> LL_Hakaisou: true but if you work for a company that is owned by a mac fanatic and your VP of IT is also a mac fanatic you seem to find a lrge number of G4's laying around that would make good testing platforms if they were running linux as appossed to OS X Unix
[04:52] <Admiral_Chicago> took care of that...
[04:52] <fzf> !pl
[04:52] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[04:52] <sredna> hi
[04:52] <LL_Hakaisou> well said
[04:52] <kubuntuero> can I Pipe sound across a network?
[04:52] <sredna> what is required for basic development work (compiling)?
[04:53] <sredna> which package, i mean
[04:53] <kubuntuero> !b-E | sredna
[04:53] <ubotu> sredna: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:53] <virus> slt
[04:53] <jhutchins_lt> kubuntuero: Yes.
[04:54] <sredna> build-essential, thank you :)
[04:56] <kubuntuero> jhutchins_lt: What do I need to install?
[04:56] <virus> please help me
[04:56] <azzco> virus: what's your problem?
[04:56] <jhutchins_lt> virus: We can't unlss you say what's wrong.
[04:57] <kubuntuero> !help
[04:57] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:57] <jhutchins_lt> virus: Please tell us what IS happening, not what's not happening.
[04:57] <kubuntuero> !ask