[04:48] <BlueT_> @shcedule
[04:48] <BlueT_> @schedule
[04:48] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 22 Aug 16:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 20:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[04:48] <BlueT_> @schedule taipei
[04:48] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Taipei: 23 Aug 00:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 30 Aug 04:00: Technical Board | 31 Aug 04:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[04:49] <licio> @schedule Sao_Paulo
[04:49] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 22 Aug 13:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 09:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 17:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 17:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[05:07] <DBO> @schedule detroit
[05:07] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Detroit: 22 Aug 12:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:15] <Arbiter> @schedule Rome
[08:15] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 22 Aug 18:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:15] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[08:15] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 23 Aug 02:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 30 Aug 06:00: Technical Board | 31 Aug 06:00: Edubuntu | 01 Sep 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:16] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: 2 am?  that's worse.
[08:16] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: i'd forgotten that it was the tech board that was at 6
[08:17] <nixternal> @chicago
[08:17] <nixternal> haha
[08:17] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[08:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 22 Aug 11:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 07:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 15:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 15:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:17] <nixternal> thats about wakey time for me ;)
[08:19] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i would stay up, but i'm not on holidays anymore.
[08:19] <Hobbsee> nixternal: which makes meetings hard to get to, when they're in the middle of the night, and i've got to be alive the next day
[08:20] <Hobbsee> hey jenda
[08:20] <nixternal> ya, im back to school as well, again with my old arse ;)
[08:20] <nixternal> hiya jenda
[08:21] <Fujitsu> But then again, I'm on the wrong side of the world :P
[08:21] <jenda> :-D
[08:21] <Fujitsu> They should.
[08:21] <Fujitsu> 2am for every meeting isn't ideal.
[08:22] <Hobbsee> jenda: they used to
[08:22] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: indeed.  we australians get the bad end of the stick.
[08:22] <Fujitsu> Yeah...
[08:22] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: kubuntu meetings we win though - because they seem to want me there, so stick it in a time where i can be there
[08:23] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[08:23] <Fujitsu> You are sort of critical to them :P
[08:24] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: well...i'm only one of 6 who needs to be there - ie they can have any 3 out of those six there.
[08:24] <Fujitsu> I guess.
[08:24] <Hobbsee> if i've got half the agenda like usual, then yeah, i do need to be there :P
[08:24] <Fujitsu> Probably!
[08:25] <jenda> Fujitsu: 2 AM is a great time for a meeting :) It's just before I go to bed ;)
[08:25] <Fujitsu> I'd be decapitated by my parents if I were to stay up until 3am or so!
[08:27] <jenda> Is that standard procedure in australia? Amazing.
[08:27] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: same here.  actually, they dont get quite so annoyed now.
[08:28] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I think they've given up on trying to get you to change :)
[08:28] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: point.
[08:28] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i've almost gotten around kerfew too :P
[08:31] <Fujitsu> Well, I'm not exactly old :P
[08:31] <Fujitsu> *curfew
[08:31] <Fujitsu> Ah. I've got a librep merge to do again...
[08:33] <Hobbsee> hehe.  again.
[08:34] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[08:34] <Fujitsu> And I've got 5 others that I did a while ago which I never bothered to request to be uploaded >_<
[08:34] <Hobbsee> do they build now?
[08:34] <Fujitsu> I haven't checked, but I'll do so now.
[08:35] <jenda> See y'all
[08:35] <Fujitsu> Pfft.
[08:35] <Fujitsu> Real life.
[08:35] <Fujitsu> What a silly concept.
[09:53] <nixternal> @time
[09:53] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: August 21 2006, 07:53:05 - Next meeting: Community Council in 1 day
[06:10] <jordi> where's og?
[06:11] <raphink> in brazil I think
[06:11] <raphink> :)
[06:11] <jordi> great :)
[06:11] <danilos> I think he's not, I think he's in USA :)
[06:12] <carlos> yeah, he's in USA
[06:12] <carlos> but not yet connected...
[06:12] <raphink> oh ok :)
[06:12] <carlos> let's wait a bit...
[06:16] <GnuKemist> carlos hi
[06:16] <carlos> GnuKemist: hi, Og?
[06:16] <GnuKemist> carlos yup
[06:16] <carlos> ok
[06:16] <carlos> let's start
[06:16] <GnuKemist> carlos conected from work ;)
[06:16] <carlos> jordi, danilos?
[06:16] <carlos> GnuKemist: hmm, I thought this time was better for you to connect from home....
[06:17] <carlos> anyway, you are here ;-)
[06:17] <GnuKemist> carlos hehehe
[06:17] <jordi> hello
[06:17] <GnuKemist> carlos I am connected from work via ssh
[06:17] <carlos> I see
[06:17] <GnuKemist> hi jordi
[06:17] <carlos> so
[06:18] <carlos> GnuKemist: We (danilos, jordi and I) had a meeting last week
[06:18] <carlos> and from that meeting, we got the document I sent you
[06:18] <GnuKemist> k
[06:18] <carlos> we think that more or less those are the main tasks that such position should cover
[06:19] <GnuKemist> carlos and it does coincide with what I expected as well
[06:20] <carlos> GnuKemist: Is there anything else you think we should add? or it's a 100% match ?
[06:20] <GnuKemist> carlos it seems to be right on the money
[06:22] <carlos> hmm
[06:22] <carlos> then...
[06:23] <carlos> GnuKemist: do you want that we explain better any part of that document before going to the Ubuntu CC with it?
[06:23] <GnuKemist> carlos you followed the thread about upstream translations, right?
[06:24] <GnuKemist> carlos am asking b/c I think it pretty much shows what I intend to do
[06:24] <GnuKemist> carlos and is a matter of checking if that is the same direction you want to go
[06:24] <carlos> GnuKemist: well, I'm a bit behind on that thread (and others) but more or less I know the problematic there
[06:24] <danilos> GnuKemist: upstream coordination is just one of things to do :)
[06:24] <GnuKemist> danilos right
[06:25] <danilos> GnuKemist: and I wonder about what priorities would you give to each of the tasks we mentioned
[06:25] <danilos> i.e. what's more important
[06:25] <GnuKemist> carlos danilos I have written a few entried about translation procedures as well
[06:25] <danilos> in your opinion, of course :)
[06:25] <GnuKemist> danilos I think that since Edgy is right around the corner, it would be too soon to get things done the way I expect
[06:26] <GnuKemist> danilos it will take a lot of meetings and flexibility to get eveyone into the same train
[06:26] <GnuKemist> danilos so I would prioritize getting Rosetta to attend the users' needs
[06:26] <danilos> GnuKemist: sure, I'm not talking about that short of a timeframe (we even already have set our goals for Rosetta as well)
[06:27] <GnuKemist> danilos and get some SOPs for the team leaders
[06:27] <GnuKemist> danilos as far as how to "run" their teams
[06:27] <carlos> GnuKemist: well, is better to start planning what should be done after edgy + 1
[06:27] <GnuKemist> danilos and manuals for standardizing translations, etc
[06:27] <GnuKemist> carlos sure
[06:27] <carlos> because we usually plan our work a month after release
[06:28] <danilos> GnuKemist: SOPs?
[06:28] <GnuKemist> carlos I would say a boot camp with representatives from major localization teams should get together
[06:28] <GnuKemist> danilos standardized operation manuals
[06:28] <GnuKemist> danilos or protocoles
[06:29] <carlos> hmm, that would be a good idea, not sure if it would be possible, but we could try
[06:29] <danilos> GnuKemist: ok, thanks
[06:29] <GnuKemist> carlos sort of along the same thing that happened in Paris
[06:29] <GnuKemist> carlos but for localization
[06:29] <danilos> I'm somewhat unsure about boot camp idea, it sounds impossible
[06:30] <GnuKemist> carlos it is my oppinion that it is hard to properly convey ideas through emails, irc
[06:30] <carlos> well, I think we talk about GNOME, KDE, GNU, OpenOffice, Firefox and Ubuntu
[06:30] <GnuKemist> danilos I think you're right but I think it is worth a shot
[06:30] <jordi> boot camp idea?
[06:30] <jordi> I've lost that bit somewhere
[06:30] <GnuKemist> carlos yes
[06:30] <jordi> oh
[06:30] <jordi> ok, I see it
[06:31] <GnuKemist> jordi think like the meeting that took place in Paris
[06:31] <danilos> jordi: you lazy bum :P
[06:31] <GnuKemist> hey sfair ;)
[06:31] <jordi> hey I somehow skipped that line :)
[06:31] <GnuKemist> hehe
[06:31] <GnuKemist> anyhow
[06:31] <sfair> hi my friend GnuKemist :-)
[06:31] <carlos> GnuKemist: I'm not quite sure I agree with what you said in one of your emails: "I have a really tough "sell" to
[06:31] <carlos> convince people to perform translations via Rosetta and not directly
[06:31] <carlos> with the organized sub-groups such as Gnome or KDE"
[06:31] <jordi> GnuKemist: I see. I think that's difficult to make it happen though
[06:31] <GnuKemist> I have some great tallented people who would support me in developing some manuals, etc
[06:32] <carlos> GnuKemist: we should offer them Rosetta to do translations but keep their current organization
[06:32] <GnuKemist> jordi absolutely... but I'm up to the challenge
[06:32] <GnuKemist> carlos I guess we could find a happy medium
[06:32] <GnuKemist> carlos thus the boot camp ideia
[06:32] <carlos> so they just have Rosetta as another tool to do translations
[06:32] <danilos> yeah, I agree with carlos: we just need to allow for different workflows, and they will come :)
[06:32] <GnuKemist> idea
[06:33] <GnuKemist> what we need is to strike the right balance
[06:33] <jordi> sure, but that leaves us with the merging in svn problem, calros
[06:33] <carlos> and our target should be that it's so good that everyone wants to use it, but always without forcing them to switch the way they want to work
[06:33] <GnuKemist> carlos absolutely right
[06:34] <GnuKemist> maybe we could try a Skype-meeting
[06:34] <danilos> anyway, lets not get into Rosetta future plans right now :)
[06:34] <GnuKemist> danilos ok
[06:34] <GnuKemist> danilos but I must tell you, this is my holy grail
[06:34] <carlos> yeah, this is just a brief meeting before giving our ideas to the Ubuntu CC
[06:34] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:35] <GnuKemist> I basically want to see Rosetta as the main repository for localization par to none
[06:35] <carlos> GnuKemist: we too ;-)
[06:35] <GnuKemist> all distros would benefit from it
[06:35] <carlos> but we have a long way to reach that goal
[06:35] <GnuKemist> but better yet, the global community would benefit the most
[06:36] <GnuKemist> carlos +1
[06:36] <GnuKemist> carlos that is why I'm in this for the long haul
[06:36] <carlos> ok so, Do we agree to send that document directly to the CC ?
[06:36] <GnuKemist> +1
[06:36] <jordi> go for it
[06:36] <danilos> sure carlos
[06:37] <carlos> ok
[06:37] <GnuKemist> anything you guys need from me?
[06:37] <carlos> I think that's all
[06:37] <carlos> thank you very much
[06:37] <carlos> let's see what the CC decides on this subjet ;-)
[06:37] <GnuKemist> I for instance need to be introduced to the key people from each group
[06:39] <GnuKemist> carlos danilos jordi ok... so I guess I'll go grab lunch now  ;)
[06:39] <carlos> GnuKemist: ok, thanks fro comming
[06:39] <GnuKemist> carlos my pleasure
[10:34] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[10:34] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 22 Aug 18:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team


[03:48] <smartboyhw> Len-lb!?
[03:48] <smartboyhw> That's a new name:P
[03:48] <len-1304> From my wife laura's netbook.
[03:49] <len-1304> Her hard drive was starting to go. I got a new drive but she has yet to use even 20G and the new drive is bigger than mine so she has my old one and I have the 500 g
[03:50] <len-1304> But my account is still on her drive.
[03:51] <len-1304> smartboyhw, The ISO does different things on startup then the installed version.
[03:52] <len-1304> My netbook doesn't work right and I have to terminate the VGA connector to get video... with the ISO it works (better)
[05:09] <smartboyhw> Ag.
[05:09] <smartboyhw> s/Ag/Ah/
[05:09] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Ah."
[05:18] <smartboyhw> Wb len-1304
[05:18] <smartboyhw> Or Len-nb :P
[12:33] <wrik> hi
[12:34] <wrik> hello team
[12:34] <wrik> my first time in here
[12:34] <smartboyhw> wrik, hello!
[12:35] <wrik> just messing around with the idea of ubuntu these days
[12:35] <wrik> been a couple of months now, i have used ubuntu 12.10
[12:35] <smartboyhw> wrik, uh huh
[12:35] <wrik> just came up and saw the ubuntu studio thing
[12:35] <smartboyhw> wrik, \o/
[12:36] <wrik> so wanted to know, if someone like me, who has no freakin idea abt what programming is all abt, do anything for the community?
[12:36] <smartboyhw> wrik, hurray!
[12:36] <smartboyhw> zequence, ^
[12:36] <smartboyhw> There are a lot of things to do in our community.
[12:37] <smartboyhw> 1. Documentation
[12:37] <wrik> hmmm.. nice
[12:37] <smartboyhw> You can help to write documentation for users of Ubuntu Studio.
[12:37] <wrik> keep it coming.. let me see where i fit in
[12:37] <smartboyhw> 2. Testing
[12:37] <smartboyhw> We are just about to release 13.04 in Thursday, so you can help test the images and report some bugs!
[12:37] <smartboyhw> 3. Artwork
[12:37] <smartboyhw> You can help us design wallpapers and banners!
[12:38] <wrik> not a designer expect minor collages on gimp
[12:38] <smartboyhw> wrik, :)
[12:38] <wrik> isnt ubuntu 13.04 officially being done up on that day itself
[12:38] <smartboyhw> That's the three *major* trend
[12:38] <smartboyhw> wrik, Ubuntu along with Ubuntu Studio and other flavors
[12:40] <wrik> hmmm.. now that i know, i will perhaps be in a better position to say and do positive things to the community..
[12:40] <smartboyhw> wrik, 4. support
[12:40] <smartboyhw> We have support channels in #ubuntustudio IRC channel, Ubuntu Studio Forums and such
[12:40] <wrik> but then, it seems that we are the only 2 users speaking and rest r sleeping.. lols!!
[12:40] <wrik> hmm..
[12:40] <smartboyhw> s/Ubuntu Studio Forums/Ubuntu Studio section in Ubuntu Forums/
[12:40] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "We have support channels in #ubuntustudio IRC channel, Ubuntu Studio section in Ubuntu Forums and such"
[12:41] <smartboyhw> wrik, um some of them are awake, they just aren't at their computers!
[12:41] <smartboyhw> I think zequence (our project lead) is awake.
[12:41] <wrik> ha ha ha ha.. anyways nice to have spotted this place.. will be looking to hang out soon and sort things out
[12:43] <smartboyhw> wrik, good!
[12:43] <smartboyhw> Oh, he left:(
[12:43]  * smartboyhw hasn't introduced the mailing lists yet.
[12:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, I think your "contribute promotion" is somewhat starting to work:)
[13:05] <smartboyhw> Hello DarkEra :)
[13:06] <DarkEra> good afternoon smartboyhw and the others
[13:21] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, is the new wallpaper better that i posted last night?
[13:21] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, :)
[13:22] <DarkEra> ok, that says enough. lol
[13:22] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, lol
[13:23] <DarkEra> ;)
[13:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, hey is wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SReleaseSchedule OK?
[13:41] <smartboyhw> I played a bit:P
[13:42] <smartboyhw> zequence, speaking about this: How do you want to make the 13.04 final release announcement?
[16:32] <smartboyhw> Hey madeinkobaia:)
[16:32] <madeinkobaia> Hello smartboyhw ! How are you ?
[16:34] <DarkEra> o/
[16:43] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: Good:)
[16:44] <madeinkobaia> Cool :)
[16:45] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: Where are you from;
[16:45] <smartboyhw> ?
[16:47] <DarkEra> you mean which country smartboyhw ?
[16:52] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: uh huh
[16:52] <DarkEra> i mentioned it before that i live in Belgium. Not too far from the Dutch border. :)
[16:56] <madeinkobaia> darkera : Oh, nice to meet a Belgium fellow \o/
[16:57] <smartboyhw> Ah yeah, I forgotteb
[16:57] <DarkEra> madeinkobaia, ;)
[16:57] <smartboyhw> We have two Belgians, two Americans, one Swedish, one Canadian and a Chinese;P
[16:57] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, no worries, that happens to me too sometimes
[16:58] <DarkEra> but from origin a am German :)
[16:58] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : even a French, with ttoine :D
[16:59] <DarkEra> do you guys do anything with music by the way?
[17:00] <madeinkobaia> darkera : For sure, I playing few instruments and I am a composer
[17:00] <DarkEra> madeinkobaia, that's awesome :)
[17:01]  * smartboyhw does more video
[17:01] <madeinkobaia> darkera : Yep that's great : )  and you ?
[17:03] <DarkEra> madeinkobaia, i'm just listening to my old tracks i made on a playstation 1 and 2 that i made between 2000 and 2003. My plan is to get back into music creation soon on Linux (Ubuntu Studio)
[17:03] <DarkEra> bah, one made to many... LOL
[17:03] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : What means a message with *** before the nickname ? (I am a dumb on irc ;p)
[17:03] <DarkEra> should be created
[17:03] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: What??
[17:05] <DarkEra> madeinkobaia, i have them on Soundcloud but for some it's not their cup of tea
[17:05] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : Sometimes I see some messages and before the nickname it is display 3 stars : ***
[17:06] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: The /me command. Like if I type /me says hello!
[17:06]  * smartboyhw say hello!
[17:06] <smartboyhw> see?
[17:07] <madeinkobaia> Ok, get it ;)
[17:11] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : Highly interesting to replace "by my self" by that command : )
[17:12] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: :)
[17:12] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : ;)
[17:13] <madeinkobaia> darkera : Witch kind of music is it ? What do you mean by "their" ?
[17:15] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : You're working on video ? You mean filming ?
[17:16] <DarkEra> madeinkobaia, Hard to explain... chill out/enigmatic/oldfield kinda style. gonna drop a link to it, hold on :)
[17:16] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: I only do the processing;p
[17:16] <DarkEra> some people say it's nice but not their personal taste of music
[17:17] <DarkEra> https://soundcloud.com/mathius-quest
[17:17] <madeinkobaia> darkera : Great, I will check that : )
[17:18] <DarkEra> cool, thanks :)
[17:18] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : ok :)
[17:19] <madeinkobaia> darkera : Not right now, a little bit latter : ( stay in touch.
[17:20] <DarkEra> madeinkobaia, feel free to check it out whenever you like and have the time. No worries
[17:20] <madeinkobaia> darkera : No worries :)
[17:42] <zequence> Anyone on Raring? There might be a problem with starting jackd1 on Quantal, using qjackctl. Apparently someone was able to start it from the command line, but not using qjackctl.
[17:43] <smartboyhw> zequence: Tmr maybe.
[17:43] <smartboyhw> zequence: You saw my SReleaseSchedule thing?
[17:43] <DarkEra> zequence, i am on a up to date Raring 64bit
[17:44] <zequence> DarkEra: Could you try install jackd1, and see if you can start it both from command line, and qjackctl?
[17:44] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: Woohoo!
[17:44] <DarkEra> zequence, sure :)
[17:45] <zequence> DarkEra: jackd1 is not able to grab the card from pulseaudio, so you need to either choose another card, or use: "pasuspender --" before the command to suspend pulseaudio
[17:45] <zequence> smartboyhw: Nope
[17:46] <zequence> Ok, I saw the link
[17:46] <smartboyhw> zequence: \o/
[17:46] <DarkEra> it'll remove some packages but that's normal i guess
[17:48] <zequence> DarkEra: Yes. We should look into that too. Doesn't seem reasonable for that to happen
[17:48] <DarkEra> zequence, ok
[17:48] <DarkEra> gonna log out and back in. brb
[17:49] <zequence> So many packages are depending on libjack-jackd2-0
[17:49] <zequence> Or, are they recommends?
[17:49] <zequence> Anyway, it's a little messy
[17:50] <smartboyhw> zequence: Dependencies are usually messy:P
[17:56] <DarkEra> ok, zequence qjackctl starts as should, gonna try the terminal
[17:57] <DarkEra> zequence, just jackd in the terminal, right?
[17:57] <micahg> zequence: please file bugs if there's not an alternate dependency and should be
[17:58] <micahg> we can get that cleaned up for S
[17:58] <micahg> ISTR a mass bug file for that in Debian a while back
[17:59] <zequence> ISTR?
[18:00] <micahg> I seem to recall
[18:04] <zequence> micahg: Sorry, I meant what does it mean?
[18:05] <micahg> ISTR == I Seem To Recall
[18:07] <DarkEra> zequence, how to try it from the terminal?
[18:08] <zequence> DarkEra: If you are able to start jack with qjackctl, then that's fine
[18:08] <zequence> DarkEra: Someone had problems specifically with qjackctl
[18:09] <zequence> smartboyhw: Nice work on the Release Schedule. Saves me the trouble :)
[18:14] <DarkEra> zequence, ok :)
[18:17] <DarkEra> bbl
[18:35] <zequence> We need to add checksums and info on how to check them on our website
[18:37] <DarkEra> +1
[18:39] <zequence> Actually, I'd like to do some changes to the website for the Raring release
[18:44] <zequence> Well, at least add the slogan to the logo at the top
[18:44] <DarkEra> one thing for the 13.04 release notes, make sure that this isn't included again: New software included: Xfce updated to version 4.10 (based off of Xubuntu)
[18:45] <DarkEra> it's been used in 12.10 too and 13.04 beta 2
[18:45] <zequence> smartboyhw: ^
[18:56] <zequence> smartboyhw: btw, if you're still up, go to sleep :)


 @ahoneybun
 Damn it Weiss and Blake too...
 Can anyone get them to sign things?
 Dude, that stuff's not free
 I know and I would pay.
 I wonder if famous people realize they should use a fan signature and a real signature?  People would ask me to sign things when I worked for XDATV.  I wouldn't use the same signature I use for credit cards and loans.
 @ahoneybun, I just checked and it looks like they sold out of the passes for it. There is a limited number of them.
 Damn.


[01:19] <selby2> aye, can anyone help me figure out why vivid plasma is crashing before i can login after an update today?
[01:20] <selby2> something about kdeinit5
[01:23] <selby2> or help me get into a shell login so i can start awesome or gnome?
[01:23] <selby2> any help would be much appreciated++
[01:25] <selby> hmm
[01:33] <selby> dissappointing
[01:34] <Unit193> selby: I can do the second, haven't used plasma.  Boot with  text  from grub.
[01:35] <Unit193> !text
[01:41] <selby> thanks, that's good to know
[01:42] <selby> i managed to get konsole open trying to debug the new plasma with gdb and deleted my .kde
[01:42] <selby> didn't seem to help, though -.-
[01:45] <selby> Unit193: Any chance you can think of anything else I can try?  Know how to do an update rollback with apt-get by any chance?
[01:46] <Unit193> selby: 1. Did you get it via a PPA?  2. What DM do you have?
[01:47] <selby> Ah!
[01:47] <selby> plasma configs are in .config, not .kde
[01:47] <Unit193> Generally speaking, yes.
[01:48] <Unit193> Also could try the guest account.
[01:48] <selby> Eh, I set up autologin
[01:48] <selby> DM?
[01:49] <Unit193> Display Manager = LightDM, sddm, etc.
[01:49] <selby> Ah, I decided to try out sddm this time
[01:50] <selby> But I set up autologin so i'd have to boot into text mode and start it manually
[01:51] <selby> Whelp, my configs don't appear to be be problem. I'm going to see if I can't figure out how to do a roll back
[01:51] <selby> And yeah, I'm using the official vidid PPAs
[01:53] <selby> Oh man
[01:54] <selby> I hope btrfs snapshots automagickly
[01:54] <Unit193> !ppa-purge
[01:59] <selby> Don't think that's an option, Unit193
[01:59] <selby> I used dist-upgrade -d a few weeks ago to switch all of my sources to the vivid development branch
[02:01] <selby> Shit, I wish I had known about this sooner: https://www.howtoforge.com/rollback-to-a-working-state-with-btrfs-plus-apt-btrfs-snapshot-on-ubuntu-12.10
[02:05] <selby> Oh well.  I have a working install on another HDD.  I'll wait a week or two to see if the Kubuntu devs push any updates that'll fix this.  I was really liking the new plasma =((
[02:13] <selby> Thanks for all your help, Unit193.  Taught me a few things =)
[02:13] <Unit193> selby: Great, didn't think I was of much help though.
[02:15] <selby> Yeah, but i wasn't expecting for a KDE/Kubuntu dev
[02:16] <selby> Didn't win the battle on this one, but you taught me some nifty tricks for the future
[03:19] <VolUTFan> Apt-Mirror - Multiple Local Repository Setup - Kubuntu/Ubuntu - http://youtu.be/hr0hOHH2rNk - New Video Posted - Thanks for the tips everyone.  Hope this helps someone trying to accomplish the same thing.
[05:27] <sanghvi> #freenode
[05:27] <sanghvi> #maria
[07:17] <soee> good morning
[07:21]  * Guest23887 is trying to get (so far plasma5) kubuntu working with nouveau or nvidia on NV46 hardware, G72M GeForce Go 7300 / Quadro NVS 110M -- Dell Latitude D820 -- with nvidia can get glx and X but kwin compositing just kinda hangs there till I kill kwin, with nouveau...lots of weird lockups and haven't managed a proper X yet, have tried everything up to and including linux-image-4.0-rc3 on a 15.04 based install with and without kubuntu-ci kwin...
[07:21] <Guest23887> oops
[07:21] <Guest23887> forgot to identify >.<
[07:21] <RtMF> also that probably cut
[07:21] <RtMF> I have been, for the past 24+ hours, trying to get (so far plasma5) kubuntu working with nouveau or nvidia on NV46 hardware, G72M GeForce Go 7300 / Quadro NVS 110M -- Dell Latitude D820 -- with nvidia can get glx and X but kwin compositing just kinda hangs there till I kill kwin, with nouveau...lots of weird lockups and haven't managed a proper X yet, have tried everything up to and including linux-image-4.0-rc3 on a 15.04 based install with and ...
[07:21] <RtMF> ... without kubuntu-ci kwin...
[08:59] <lordievader> Goede morgen.
[08:59] <lordievader> Err, good morning.
[09:01] <CoJaBo> Just upgraded an ancient install to Trusty and touchpad scrolling is set to about ⅙c; is there a way to slow it down to something usable?
[09:09] <valorie> CoJaBo: in systemsettings
[09:09] <CoJaBo> There's no option for it there
[09:10] <CoJaBo> There's one for mouse, but it does not apply to the touchpad
[09:10] <valorie> oh, that old you might have to install syaptix
[09:10] <valorie> oops, synaptics or synaptix
[09:11] <valorie> now it is part of systemsettings, 14.10 onwards
[09:15] <CoJaBo> is that synclient?
[09:18] <valorie> I've not heard of that
[09:18] <valorie> !synaptics
[09:24] <Jiyuhen> Good morning folks
[09:24] <Jiyuhen> goeie morge lordievade ;-)
[09:25] <CoJaBo> valorie: ..it's a bug in the system settings. The setting is there, but you can't turn it high enough to have any meaningful effect. Maximum permitted is 10, everything works flawlessly if I use the commandline to set it to *160*
[09:28] <valorie> wow
[09:29] <valorie> patches welcome, I suppose - Trusty is still supported in that security bugs are fixed
[09:29] <valorie> but we no longer backport application updates and such
[09:29] <CoJaBo> The slider goes all the way from ⅙ the speed of light to twice the speed of light :/
[09:29] <valorie> exception might be made for a fix like that, however
[09:30] <valorie> I don't recall any problems with my touchpad in the trust days
[09:30] <CoJaBo> It must only affect certain models; it literally breaks scrolling functionality 100%, no way that would go unnoticed
[09:31] <valorie> could be, all I've ever had is laptops, and the last few I've rarely used a mouse
[09:31] <valorie> just the touchpad
[09:32] <CoJaBo> I had the wikipedia article on Kubuntu open. Its decently long; but it's impossible to reach the middle by scrolling. Only hits the top or bottom
[09:37] <valorie> pagedown is what I try to use anyway; that said, scrolling is meant to work
[12:33] <owlman> Hi all. Seeking some help with a fresh install of vivid-beta1 on new hardware
[12:34] <owlman> specifically a lenovo thinkpad Helix 2nd generation tablet with the ultrabook pro keyboard
[12:35] <hateball> !ubuntu+1
[12:35] <lordievader> owlman: Vivid support is in #ubuntu+1.
[12:35] <owlman> cheers,
[12:35] <owlman> thanks
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:36] <solarseed> Howdy BluesKaj
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Hey solarseed
[14:05] <VolUTFan> Mornin Everyone
[14:06] <solarseed> BluesKaj: Are you from the UK?
[14:06] <solarseed> Good Mornin VolUTFan
[14:10] <BluesKaj> solarseed, no I'm in Ontario Canada about 300KM north of Toronto
[14:11] <BluesKaj> hey VolUTFan
[14:37] <VolUTFan> For those that use more than 1 desktop on your 14.10 P4, has anyone been experiencing the screens auto switching on you in the middle of doing something via the terminal?
[14:38] <VolUTFan> virtual desktops that is
[14:42] <BluesKaj> VolUTFan, not here
[14:43] <VolUTFan> thanks for the confirm BluesKaj
[14:43] <VolUTFan> I dunno what was happening.  it was freaky.  I was doing a screencast, and that happened
[14:43] <VolUTFan> only happened once
[14:44] <VolUTFan> Maybe I accidently pulled on the scrollwheel..  who knows
[14:44] <VolUTFan> lol
[14:45] <BluesKaj> VolUTFan, yeah the scrollwheel will do that :) , which effect are you using to switch desktops?
[14:50] <VolUTFan> well, there is the upper right corner of the screen that will show 4 virtual desktops.  I use that sometimes, then there is L-Ctrl+F11 to show the desktop cube effect.  I use that one mostly.
[14:50] <VolUTFan> Funny thing is, I remember seeing an option for sphere instead of cube, and it used to be in the dropdown http://picpaste.com/desktop-animation-cht6vx34.jpg  Do you have the sphere effect option now under 14.10
[14:52] <BluesKaj> yeah, Impressed my Windows friends with the desktop cube and the VDs with different backgrounds the effect which unfortunately is no longer available on plasma5 :/
[14:53] <VolUTFan> what about the sphere under 14.10.  is that still available?  I don't seem to have it
[14:54] <BluesKaj> VolUTFan, haven't seen the sphere effect for a while..haven't really looked for it tho
[14:54] <VolUTFan> there is a lot of system options that are missing under plasma5.  I like the new breeze login, and all, but the missing system options needs to be added back
[14:54] <VolUTFan> I don't like not being able to not be able to automount my usb drives from gui.
[14:54] <VolUTFan> lol
[14:55] <VolUTFan> BluesKaj: thanks for confirm on the sphere.  I don't really use it, but was going to switch it just to see what it looked like
[14:56] <VolUTFan> VirtualBox.  Not sure if its vbox or the encrypted lvm..  but I can't login to my encrypted login on inital boot without resetting the vm and it going to a text login
[14:56] <VolUTFan> its strange.
[14:58] <VolUTFan> What is the point of that dropdown on the breeze login for vivid?  There is an option there for failsafe, but what does it do?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> well, atm I'm on 15.04 so I can only confirm what's been dropped, and my experince with various VMs, mostly for running Windows hasn't been positive so I just dual boot. Qemu-kvm was very fast and slick, but the networking was prcatcally non-exisent
[15:00] <BluesKaj> scuse the spelling
[15:04] <BluesKaj> VolUTFan, the dropdown failsafe didn't work when I needed it , so I can't say :)
[15:08] <BluesKaj> iirc that was when I had the nvidia-prime bug break X
[15:08] <VolUTFan> BluesKaj: System just powered down for some reason.  Ive never had a problem running vbox for windows 2003(R2) Server ,2008(R2) Server, 2012 server, XP or Windows 7
[15:10] <BluesKaj> VolUTFan, 14.10 is the host, with plsama 5 ?
[15:10] <VolUTFan> nope, P4
[15:10] <BluesKaj> ok, that's strange alright
[15:10] <VolUTFan> Ive had a lot of problems with P5, so I backed off my main system and put in in a vbox test server
[15:12] <BluesKaj> 14.10 isn't quite ready for plasma5 IMO ,but for VB to misbehave like that is something totally new to me
[15:14] <BluesKaj> ran VB with windows 7 guest on 14.10 for about 3mos and never had a power down out of the blue
[15:14] <lordievader> VolUTFan: Switch to KVM :D
[15:15] <BluesKaj> KVM networking with W7 guest wasn't very good IME , lordievader
[15:15] <VolUTFan> I understood networking in kvm to be practically non-existant?
[15:16] <lordievader> I completely disagree, networking in kvm is lovely. As you simply get to use everything you already use.
[15:16] <BluesKaj> it connected to internet , but was blind to any other pcs on our LAN , windows and linux
[15:16] <VolUTFan> what is the package information for kvm, and I will take a look at it
[15:17] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Then your network setup was wrong. Any vm of mine can see any other node in the network.
[15:18] <lordievader> VolUTFan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation
[15:18] <BluesKaj> VolUTFan, qemu-kvm in the repos
[15:18] <VolUTFan> ill check it out
[15:18] <VolUTFan> thanks
[15:22] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I think you used the macvtap interface instead of a bridge interface.
[15:27] <BluesKaj> lordievader,I used this very tutorial you posted above to install kvm, but the question I have what's the best partition to install the guest OS , / or /home , because It errored out installing on /home and / didn't have enough room to add windows apps once the install was finished
[15:27] <BluesKaj> on /
[15:27] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I use LVM, every VM gets it's own logical volume.
[15:28] <lordievader> If they require more than I originally thought I can simply give them more disk space.
[15:28] <BluesKaj> lvm is totally foreign to me , never thought about using it
[15:28] <lordievader> LVM is lovely.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> think I have enough on my platye with 15.04 atm :)
[15:30] <BluesKaj> plate
[15:30] <docdoc> hi ho
[15:32] <docdoc> hi ho
[15:32] <lordievader> o/
[15:32] <docdoc> anyone can get me some quick info on how to use a different sound driver in kbuntu?
[15:32] <docdoc> my sound is distorted : (
[15:32] <docdoc> oder different mixer maybe?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> docdoc, which audio chip ?
[15:34] <docdoc> oh, i have to search. it is an acer aspire  E1-571
[15:35] <BluesKaj> docdoc, in the terminal, aplay -l
[15:37] <docdoc> ah i cant, dont have my hands on that machine right now
[15:38] <docdoc> Intel Panther Point PCH - High Definition Audio Controller
[15:38] <docdoc> just wanted to know in general if i can change the driver and how
[15:39] <BluesKaj> docdoc, it's a laptop distortion is common on dinky laptop speakers , turn the volume down
[15:40] <docdoc> it is not a hardware problem. happens only in kubuntu. is there some kind of device manager?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> no need for a better driver , there isn't one , it's the snd-hda-intel driver and most likely you're overdriving the speakers or the headphones
[15:43] <lordievader> Or the output itself. VLC for example can go to 200%, likely resulting in distorted sound.
[15:44] <docdoc> yeah i thought of that, too. but the problem only happens when using the speaker. headphones work fine.
[15:44] <docdoc> it happens also when the sound is only 50%
[15:44] <docdoc> maybe change mixer?
[15:44] <BluesKaj> then you're overdriving the speakers , they aren't built for high volumes on a 500$ laptop
[15:45] <lordievader> Heh, even $1500 laptops have crappy speakers...
[15:45] <lordievader> And that is a good thing ;)
[15:45] <BluesKaj> docdoc, 50% volume , where , in alsamixer ?
[15:46] <docdoc> i dont know, in the freshly installed kubuntu 14.10
[15:46] <docdoc> default
[15:46] <docdoc> i guess
[15:47] <BluesKaj> how do you know the volumre is  50% , what are you using to measure kmix?
[15:47] <docdoc> the popup windows shows it
[15:49] <docdoc> so i could use kmix instead of alsamixer? alsa is default, i suppose?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> yes alsamixer is best for setting vol ctrls IME
[15:52] <BluesKaj> but since you don't have access to the actual machine then it's difficult to test
[15:52] <docdoc> ill remember to install alsamixer, i ust wanted to prepare what i can do tomorrow
[15:53] <BluesKaj> alsamixer is installed by default
[15:53] <docdoc> ok then kmix
[15:53] <BluesKaj> just type alsmixer in the terminal
[15:53] <lordievader> In the end they do exactly the same thing.
[15:53] <lordievader> Kmix has a couple layers of abstraction more.
[15:54] <akiva-thinkpad> mind if I make a small plug?
[15:55] <akiva-thinkpad> An ubuntu AMA starts in 5 minutes, on #ubuntu-on-air, at http://ubuntuonair.com/
[15:55] <BluesKaj> wonder if pulseaudio is installed , most likely it is and sometimes it can cause problems with intel audio, since intel audio doesn't need pulseaudio , except for playing more than one source simultaneously
[15:56] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Nothing needs PA, but it is nice to have.
[15:56]  * BluesKaj purges pulseaudio on intel equipped pcs
[15:58] <BluesKaj> I need PA on my m-audio soundcard since alsa doesn't link with flash audio on websites for some reason ..unfortunately
[15:58] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Likely because something else is using the soundcard already.
[15:58] <lordievader> Pulseaudio's original name was Polyaudio ;)
[15:59]  * BluesKaj can't wait til HTML5 is universal
[15:59] <BluesKaj> lordievader, what could that something else be tho ?
[16:00] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Your browser, the DE, a notification system, a music player, etc, etc, etc.
[16:01] <BluesKaj> I have audio without using PA on my media file on the HDD , but any website will not play audio with my soundcard without PA
[16:02] <BluesKaj> it's strictly no audio on websites that's all , I have audio locally without PA, in other words
[16:03] <lordievader> That is the whole idea of Pulseaudio, claim the interface for yourself and present a socket anyone can use. Mix everything together and send it to the sound card.
[16:03] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Try playing local files with two different players.
[16:04] <BluesKaj> but it's another layer of unecessary processing adding distortion and artifacts to the sound
[16:04] <BluesKaj> lordievader, but why would i do that ?
[16:04] <lordievader> Unecessary? I like to be able to have multiple audio sources...
[16:05] <BluesKaj> yeah , I don't play media simultaneously
[16:05] <BluesKaj> no need to
[16:07] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Lets take a vm for example. I'd like to hear the sounds my Windows VM makes. Lets say I'am listening to music on the host. Whoever gets the soundcard first will be the only one who can play sounds.
[16:07] <lordievader> So with ALSA alone I get the choice, music or VM sounds. With PA on top of ALSA I get both.
[16:08] <lordievader> And then I haven't even mentioned the networking capabilities of PA.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> I don't have event sounds turned on here
[16:09] <rberg_> I know its not possible with a laptop but I bring my sound card anytime I upgrade computers. hardware mixing FTW
[16:11] <BluesKaj> my situation is different than yours..I prefer not to have extraneous stuff that I will never use...this pc is connected to a home theater system and that's it's purpose as a media server to the audio system and the TV, that's all it does ausdiowise
[16:36] <docdoc> @BluesKaj thanks, i will try it. at least ill find out if pulse audio is the culprit
[16:39] <BluesKaj> docdoc, don't crank the players volume and alsamixer, use alsamixer as you volume base at about 80% or sio then use the players volume for a decent undistorted level if possible
[16:44] <docdoc> ok tmr ill be back, hope youre still here ^_^
[16:45] <docdoc> i think my problem is much deeper, like this little bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1321421
[16:45] <docdoc> : (
[16:53] <BluesKaj> docdoc, if your soundcard is a realtek then yes, that could be a problem
[16:55] <BluesKaj> docdoc, , but if the fix applies to your problem then copying and pasting the "options string will probly work
[16:57] <BluesKaj> BBL
[17:00] <docdoc> BluesKaj options string?
[17:06] <lordievader> docdoc: See comment 21 on the bug report.
[17:08] <docdoc> https://kernel.googlesource.com/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tiwai/sound/+/77f07800cb456bed6e5c345e6e4e83e8eda62437 this one?
[17:08] <docdoc> so i install this with makefile
[17:09] <lordievader> bug 1321421
[17:09] <docdoc> ok, i already habe 2 things which i can try
[18:06] <joan_> hi, I need some help to restore my bluetooth system. I'm running kubuntu trusty
[18:11] <joan_> bluetooth icon has disappeared from the taskbar and if I try running bluedevil or bluetooth launchers I get protocol dying errors
[20:59] <vineet> Hi, I want to install plasma 5
[20:59] <vineet> I am using kubuntu 14.04
[21:00] <vineet> I need to build a project branch that uses plasma 5
[21:06] <ronnoc> Anyone know of a fix to get Paition Manager working in Vivid?
[21:07] <bprompt> *cough* gparted *cough*
[21:09] <MoonUnit`> didn't work when i tried from the menu but runs with sudo partitionmanager from konsole.
[21:09] <bprompt> hmm
[21:10] <bprompt> may just be that needs "kdesudo" to run off the menu then
[21:10] <bprompt> and that's editable from  kmenuedit
[21:13] <ronnoc> ok thx I'll try that
[21:14] <MoonUnit`> just tried it didn't work
[21:15] <MoonUnit`> cannot load library lidkdeinit5_so type error, i've seen that with other apps that need sudo
[21:15] <bprompt> hmm
[21:16] <ronnoc> should be easy fix; suprised it's still around in Beta
[21:37] <Jiyuhen> Hi All
[21:38] <Jiyuhen> I have a weird issue. I have increased the diskspace from Home, from 3,8 GB to 20.42GB. It however shows me in the system still the3 GB
[21:38] <Jiyuhen> Where did I go wrong or fix this?
[21:42] <Jiyuhen> After browsing, I found the option for "df - h" but it shows to dev/sdb8 but should be dev/sdb3 actually
[21:55] <joan> hi again
[21:56] <joan> any hints on the bluetooth issue?
[22:09] <GeronimoStilton> excuse me for saying this riddell, but you're an ape. You're an impulsive ape who has little understanding of the finer subtleties of properly running a chatroom and instead result to kicking and banning whenever the opportunity presents itself. you clearly have little training and limited capacity to be a proper op. please step down.
[22:09] <GeronimoStilton> You needed to hear that.
[22:09] <GeronimoStilton> Bye.
[22:13] <keithzg> joan: can you check if the bluetooth service is actually running?
[22:17] <keithzg> "sudo service bluetooth status" should get you that. It's probably not the problem, but it's worth checking first to see if it's running at all, I think.
[22:32] <joan> keithzg, sudo service bluetooth status yields this:     status: unknown task: bluetooth
[22:33] <joan> I'm running kubuntu 14.04 kernel 3.13.0-46-generic #77-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 2 18:23:39 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:34] <keithzg> joan: Hmm, odd. If I mistakenly go without sudo, I get "status: Unknown job: bluetooth", on Kubuntu 14.04 too, but "sudo service bluetooth status" yields a more expected "bluetooth start/running, process 614"
[22:34] <keithzg> Obviously the process id would vary, but I would've expected you to get the same otherwise.
[22:34] <keithzg> joan: What about "ps -ef | grep bluetooth"
[22:34] <joan> ok, I was logged in konsole already as root
[22:36] <joan> service --status-all says [+] for bluetooth, and the ps command outputs /usr/sbin/bluetoothd with 1432 PID
[22:36] <joan> keithzg, ^
[22:37] <joan> then it's running
[22:37] <keithzg> joan: Hmmm, that is all as should be, then, yeah.
[22:39] <joan> what's next? :)
[22:40] <keithzg> Good question ;) Hmm, last time I had to fiddle with bluetooth was years ago, so perhaps this is outdated, but I'd try running "hciconfig" and seeing what it says.
[22:41] <keithzg> Specifically, 'hcitool dev' to see if any devices are actually known.
[22:42] <joan> ok
[22:42] <keithzg> (I seem to remember that was supposed to be all deprecated? But it still seems to exist on my 14.04 desktop here, and in fact outright works on my 15.04 laptop, so methinks either my memory is incorrect or it's just taking a loooong time to actually be deprecated ;) )
[22:43] <keithzg> For my laptop for instance I see "hci0    84:4B:F5:A9:CC:48" as the output of "hcitool dev".
[22:45] <joan> output from hcitool dev:  Devices:
[22:45] <joan> nothing
[22:46] <joan> output from hciconfig -a : hci0:   Type: BR/EDR  Bus: USB        BD Address: 00:00:00:00:00:00  ACL MTU: 0:0  SCO MTU: 0:0     DOWN
[22:46] <joan> and no data about RX TX either
[22:47] <joan> keithzg, output form lsusb: Bus 007 Device 002: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)
[22:55] <keithzg> joan: Hmm. So something's definitely going wrong. I see in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsBluetoothUsbAdapters there's the suggestion for seemingly the same device to try adding "blacklist hci_usb" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, and adding "hci_usb reset=1" to /etc/modules
[22:55] <keithzg> Sounds reasonable-ish but I won't claim any deep knowledge!
[22:56] <joan> ok, I'll try, thank you for the help
[22:56] <keithzg> no problem, best of luck
[22:58] <joan> the point is that it did work, but perhaps a new kernel update has misconfigured something...
[23:18] <joan> keithzg, no luck, it seems I'll have to try kubuntu 14.10: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2231998  , because trying a new kernel could end up in a mess...
[23:21] <keithzg> joan: Yeah, actually that's why I had hope that blacklisting kernel modules might work. Sad that it didn't. You *could* however install a new kernel and be relatively safe, though, since you can always just boot back into the older kernel via GRUB if it fails somehow.
[23:22] <joan> yes, then I'll try first adding a new kernel


[14:05] <xygnal_> roaksoax: according to my co-worker, it was curtin_hooks.py that called the yum commands we spotted
[14:08] <roaksoax> xygnal_: which I guess that was a customization since we don't have yum commands on our curtin_hooks ?
[14:08] <xygnal_> roaksoax: there are no yum commands in our cutin config or the scripts it deploys
[14:12] <xygnal_> which is very confusing because why would we see it as part of curtin hooks if we have NO configs that reference yum commands?
[14:12] <xygnal_> ie:  if it was somehow put into the image before MAAS got a hold of it, why would it show in curtin hooks
[14:13] <roaksoax> roaksoax@rivals:~/project/maas-image-builder/contrib/centos/centos7/curtin$ grep -sr yum *
[14:13] <roaksoax> 1 roaksoax@rivals:~/project/maas-image-builder/contrib/centos/centos7/curtin$
[14:14] <roaksoax> xygnal_: if you have an installation log to see, that'd be good
[14:15] <xygnal_> and custom image instead of centos image has the same result?
[14:15] <xygnal_> (it's centos but it's custom image type)
[14:21] <roaksoax> xygnal_: yes, it should be (also, you should be able to add custom centos images with name=centos/custom1
[14:22] <roaksoax> xygnal_: but a install log would be a better way to understand what's happening
[14:22] <roaksoax> but from looking at the code, i don't see any commands we run inside curtin_hooks
[14:22] <xygnal_> I'll see if he has that or we can re-create it to show you.
[14:22] <xygnal_> explain about custom vs centos/custom?
[14:23] <roaksoax> xygnal_: when you add a image with name='', it will be categorized as custom. When you add it as name=centos/customxyz, it iwll be categorized as "centos" images
[14:23] <roaksoax> xygnal_: it wont bring any different behavior under the hood
[14:23] <roaksoax> xygnal_: but for ui/api should better organize images
[14:23] <xygnal_> interesting, ty.  feature that existed all of this time?
[14:25] <roaksoax> xygnal_: yes, but IIRC, we fixed API validation that may have prevented from doing so
[14:31] <sentinel-prime> wow there has been a lot going on today
[14:32] <ebbex_> Anyone else here using swapfiles on the filesystem rather than a dedicated swap partition?
[14:33] <sentinel-prime> i need to redo my settup
[19:01] <mup> Bug #1782007 opened: [2.5] BMC Enlistment - When the machine commissionins/runs hardware testing, there are no cloud-init event stored <bmc-enlistment> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1782007>
[19:10] <mup> Bug #1782007 changed: [2.5] BMC Enlistment - When the machine commissionins/runs hardware testing, there are no cloud-init event stored <bmc-enlistment> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1782007>
[19:19] <mup> Bug #1782007 opened: [2.5] BMC Enlistment - When the machine commissionins/runs hardware testing, there are no cloud-init event stored <bmc-enlistment> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1782007>
[19:19] <mup> Bug #1782009 opened: [2.5] Rack DNS config Failed to update DNS configuration. <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1782009>
[20:55] <mup> Bug #1782025 opened: [2.5] Adding a machine with the non-PXE mac doesn't commission <MAAS:Triaged by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1782025>
[22:04] <mup> Bug #1782035 opened: [2.5] BMC enlistment - When adding a machine with only IPMI credentials, these get overwritten by MAAS ones <bmc-enlistment> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1782035>


[07:32] <mfabian_> sarnold, cjwatson: I can login now, thank you very much!
[08:45] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, is it normal that ubuntu-build doesn't work anymore?
[08:45] <LocutusOfBorg> some debugging results in this return from launchpad
[08:45] <LocutusOfBorg> lazr.restfulclient.errors.Unauthorized: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized
[08:45] <LocutusOfBorg> but I'm not printed anymore for the token accept on jammy
[08:45] <LocutusOfBorg> I removed the whole ~/.launchpadlib directory
[08:47] <LocutusOfBorg> ubuntu-build is saying AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'canUploadPackage' and this is true, since the PersonTeam(Launchpad.me.self_link) is returning error and then set to "none"
[08:50] <LocutusOfBorg> well, version 176 of ubuntu-dev-tools works
[08:50] <LocutusOfBorg> (with some python3 cherry-picks for callable object, so its not a lp issue thanks)
[11:57] <LocutusOfBorg> hello s390x, did you take a vac?
[11:59] <cjwatson> I mean we normally call it crashing
[12:31] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: they're back now, thanks
[12:32] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[22:25] <realtime-neil> Can someone help me understand what's going on here? https://launchpad.net/~realtime-robotics/+archive/ubuntu/incoming/+build/24187992
[22:26] <realtime-neil> it's a no-change backport of opencascade from Kinetic to Focal. It wants `libtbb-dev` as a build dependency. Focal _has_ libtbb-dev: https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/libtbb-dev
[22:26] <realtime-neil> hence my confusion
[22:34] <rbasak> realtime-neil: is there a conflict with one of the other (transitive) build dependencies? That's the usual cause of that kind of thing. Have you tried a local build?
[22:34] <cjwatson> realtime-neil: "libtbb-dev but it is not going to be installed" means that libtbb-dev exists but that its dependencies can't be satisfied (either because they're literally unsatisfiable in isolation, or because something else you're build-depending on conflicts with something in there
[22:34] <cjwatson> snap
[22:35] <rbasak> )
[22:35] <realtime-neil> "snap" the package is incompatible with the Build-Depends I'm attempting to install there?
[22:36] <cjwatson> I mean that rbasak and I were saying basically the same thing in different words
[22:36] <realtime-neil> ah
[22:36] <cjwatson> thanks to rbasak for finding my dropped parenthesis ;-)
[22:36] <cjwatson> chdist is good for investigating this sort of thing interactively
[22:37] <realtime-neil> That's a new one for me; Am i using chdist to wrap some packagebuild command?
[22:38] <sarnold> probably chdist focal apt-cache show libtbb-dev   (or something similar, I've had 'set up chdist' on my todo list for months)
[22:39] <cjwatson> it's a tool for setting up isolated apt configs so that you can simulate installations
[22:39] <cjwatson> you don't want to use it to try to actually install packages, but you can test-run apt's resolver
[22:39] <rbasak> After setting it up, try using chdist to "apt-get install -s <list of build deps you expect to use>". After reproducing the issue, you can give apt more specifics on what you expect, and it'll eventually tell you the specific conflict that is stopping it.
[22:40] <sarnold> oh dang you can get all the way to an apt-get install -s  ? that's awesome
[22:41] <cjwatson> Hm, though I have to say that when I try that locally it seems to work for me
[22:41] <rbasak> It's probably related to the alternatives in that build-dep line
[22:41] <realtime-neil> $ chdist focal apt-get update && chdist focal apt-cache policy libtbb-dev Reading package lists... Done
[22:41] <realtime-neil> N: Unable to locate package libtbb-dev
[22:42] <cjwatson> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ScNGNdXJ7F/
[22:42] <cjwatson> so it might be necessary to try a full local sbuild run in this case
[22:42] <rbasak> cjwatson: you used the focal build deps though, not the kinetic ones. Or are they the same?
[22:43] <cjwatson> the failing build was for focal
[22:43] <rbasak> "it's a no-change backport of opencascade from Kinetic to Focal"
[22:43] <cjwatson> indeed
[22:43] <cjwatson> but it's not the kinetic build that's failing
[22:44] <cjwatson> or at least that wasn't what was reported
[22:46] <rbasak> The build depends are different though. libtbb-dev vs libtbb2-dev
[22:47] <cjwatson> Sure, but I was consistently using focal to match the failing build
[22:48] <rbasak> But the failing build is the kinetic source of opencascade, not the focal source. At least that's what I understood.
[22:48] <cjwatson> rbasak: that's not what was reported - https://launchpad.net/~realtime-robotics/+archive/ubuntu/incoming/+build/24187992 is for focal
[22:49] <rbasak> It's _on_ Focal, but the source package is _from_ Kinetic.
[22:49] <realtime-neil> Okay, I think I got this working for me.
[22:49] <realtime-neil> I suspect that it's the libtbb2 vs libtbb thing.
[22:49] <cjwatson> rbasak: I grabbed the source package from focal too though
[22:50] <cjwatson> rbasak: Since that's what LP will have done
[22:50] <realtime-neil> How do I tell backportpackage to extract the source to let me tweak it before uploading?
[22:50] <cjwatson> rbasak: Er indeed that's what "apt build-dep opencascade" will do as well.  kinetic just isn't really relevant here
[22:51] <cjwatson> realtime-neil: just omit the -u option so that it doesn't upload, and then you can fiddle with it then upload for yourself
[22:51] <rbasak> cjwatson: "apt build-dep opencascade" in a focal chdist will use Focal's opencascade build-dep line. But the failing build uses Kinetic's opencascade build-dep line, because realtime-neil uploaded a no-change backport of the Kinetic package.
[22:52] <cjwatson> rbasak: Won't it use the opencascade package in the PPA in question?
[22:52] <rbasak> Oh, you added the PPA in the chdist?
[22:52] <rbasak> That's what I was missing!
[22:52] <cjwatson> rbasak: And anyway I get the same result from "chdist apt realtime-neil-test build-dep ./opencascade_7.5.2+dfsg1-2~ubuntu20.04.1~ppa1.dsc"
[22:53] <cjwatson> Also sbuild works for me after I set it up with the same config LP will have been using
[22:53] <cjwatson> Is it possible that this was a transient problem of some kind and would go away if you just retried the build?
[22:53] <rbasak> Sorry I completely missed that.
[22:53] <realtime-neil> clicking the retry
[22:54] <cjwatson> It wasn't that long ago; an alternative possibility is that archive.ubuntu.com is behind compared to ftpmaster.internal
[22:54] <cjwatson> (which is not unexpected; there's a mirroring delay)
[22:55] <cjwatson> Oh look, there we go, it got past that point on retry
[22:56] <cjwatson> So it must have been a temporary inconsistency somewhere
[22:57] <realtime-neil> I hate these kind of bugs the hardest.
[22:57] <cjwatson> I could probably reverse-engineer what it was if I absolutely had to but I think we should just take the win at this point ;-)
[22:57] <realtime-neil> What lesson should I take away from this? Retry often? What's the latency associated with that "mirroring delay" you mentioned earlier?
[22:59] <cjwatson> This was a pretty unusual situation - I'm not sure it's worth taking a specific lesson
[22:59] <realtime-neil> You're saying you expect it to be rare? Why?
[22:59] <cjwatson> Generally speaking it's worth making sure that you have a matching local environment where you can run test builds
[23:00] <cjwatson> Yes, it is relatively rare for dependencies to flat-out be unsatisfiable like that, because usually QA machinery in the archive prevents that.  Without fully diagnosing this I'm not sure what would have gone wrong exactly
[23:01] <realtime-neil> Okay. Welp, thanks for the help, as always.
[23:01] <cjwatson> Mirroring delay from the internal primary archive to the public mirrors can be perhaps a few tens of minutes depending on circumstances, but that also wasn't the issue directly - it just confounded debugging a little
[23:03] <cjwatson> I am still a little puzzled, but looking at the logs before and after I think it can only have been an archive state change that fixed the build
[23:03] <realtime-neil> I have been tooling on realtime-robotics/incoming for most of the day
[23:03] <realtime-neil> that might not have helped me
[23:04] <cjwatson> Right, it could have been a state change in your own PPA, indeed, I didn't look into that in detail
[23:04] <cjwatson> In most cases when this sort of problem is reported to us, it's reproducible on retry and it turns out to be due to something like conflicting build-dependencies, which is why both rbasak and I went in that direction first
[23:05] <realtime-neil> understood
[23:05] <cjwatson> So I also expect this particular case to be rare because, empirically, as somebody on the other end of LP support requests, it's rare :)
[23:05] <realtime-neil> is there something in ubuntu-archive-tools that will let me see "changes that have yet to be applied" for a given PPA?
[23:05] <cjwatson> Not in u-a-t, but the LP web UI will show such things as pending publication
[23:06] <cjwatson> And it's possible to dig further with the API if necessary
[23:06] <realtime-neil> Yeah. Yeah, I have grown to dislike the spinning green flower.


[01:04] <IdleOne> done
[01:42] <elky> he's been using the same ident for days, probably worth banning it until he picks a new one
[02:17] <NullMonkey> Hi I would like to setup a vhost
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> i just forwarded a !torrents to a user private with !torrents > user text
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> and got this: ubottu> Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail
[05:13] <Unit193> Right, syntax is simply '!foo > nick', you can't add text on to that.
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> Unit193: only | can add text after then?
[05:14] <Unit193> Right, because it just prefixes with that anyway, doesn't care about a nick.
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> Unit193: ok thank you
[05:14] <Unit193> Sure.
[11:38] <bazhang> for someone who has 'tried everything' he sure does not seem to have even a basic understanding
[11:39] <ikonia> I can't be bothered
[11:39] <ikonia> I'm doing something more interesting
[13:03] <Pici> I have the ubottu config things queued up, please poke me if I don't notice the release.
[13:04] <IdleOne> Pici: this poke is to remind you to queue up the ubottu config things
[13:06] <IdleOne> Have a good release day folks :)
[13:11]  * Pici snerks
[14:03] <Pici> meh, first time I've missed not having IRCC privs
[14:06] <Pici> (someone mentioned #u-release in -party)
[14:50]  * genii liberally sprinkles some whiskey in Pici's next coffee
[14:57] <hggdh> Pici: what users on -release?
[14:57] <Pici> was nearffxx, they just timed out
[14:58] <Pici> hggdh: was the same user ^
[14:59] <hggdh> Pici: thanks, all in control, then?
[15:01] <Pici> seems like it
[15:03] <hggdh> cool. On a quick run to a Dr. office, then
[15:03] <Pici> thanls
[15:03] <Pici> er, thanks
[15:39] <Pici> Myrtti: fyi, the current release notes say that you can upgrade right from 14.04
[15:39] <bazhang> lts to lts only works when 16.04.01?
[15:40] <Pici> http://ubottu.com/y/xenial
[15:40] <Pici> er.....
[15:40] <Pici> Myrtti: sorry, I lied
[15:40] <bazhang> !pointrelease
[15:40] <Pici> gj reading.
[15:40] <bazhang> clear as mud
[15:40] <Myrtti> I did wonder
[15:41] <Pici> I thought the same as you.. and then misread the release notes and changed my mind.
[16:20] <Myrtti> Pici: ping
[16:20] <DJones> Pici: looks like the official announcement of release may be soon, ubuntu.com is now saying it's out
[16:21] <Myrtti> it's on the mailing list
[16:21] <Myrtti> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-April/000207.html
[16:21] <k1l> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-April/000207.html
[16:24] <Pici> got it
[16:25] <Pici> !torrents
[16:25] <Pici> perhaps we should change that first one to amd64,
[16:26] <Pici> need to get back to this meeting, but make sure to edit the version that shows in !+torrents
[16:26] <Pici> https://bpaste.net/show/17f906f37912 are the changes I made
[16:44] <bazhang> huge interest this release
[16:45] <bazhang> must be all that snaps-bash'yclangwindowbsd goodness
[16:45] <k1l> or finally someone shipping zfs ;p
[16:45] <bazhang> bwhaha
[16:47] <k1l> !ltsupgrade
[16:48] <k1l> we should have something saying that 14.04 -> 16.04 will be offered when 16.04.1 is released in july
[16:48] <ikonia> has that been officially confirmed though
[16:48] <k1l> it was that way the last 3 LTS releases
[16:48] <ikonia> well yes, thats my view, but doesn't mean it is for this one
[16:49] <ikonia> need to check this before offering it out to users
[16:49] <bazhang> see above what Myrtti / Pici said
[16:49] <ikonia> (or at least make it clear it's an assumption)
[16:49] <ikonia> perfect
[16:49] <k1l> Users of 14.04 LTS will be offered the automatic upgrade when 16.04.1 LTS is released, which is scheduled for July 21st.
[16:49] <ikonia> that mail message spells it out
[16:50] <k1l> !ltsupgrade is <reply> Users of 14.04 LTS will be offered the automatic upgrade when 16.04.1 LTS is released, which is scheduled for July 21st.
[16:50] <k1l> !unforget ltsupgrade
[16:50] <bazhang> heh
[16:50] <k1l> !no ltsupgrade is <reply> Users of 14.04 LTS will be offered the automatic upgrade when 16.04.1 LTS is released, which is scheduled for July 21st.
[16:50] <k1l> !ltsupgrade
[16:59] <genii> Nice
[17:26] <k1l> even freenode goes mad because of the release :)
[17:34] <DJones> k1l: I don't believe it has been released, I get "No new release found" trying to run do-release-upgrade from 15.10
[17:48] <nhandler> Hi everyone. We (freenode) would love to send out a wallop expressing our congratulations on another great LTS release. I wanted to include an IRC channel in the message that people could join with questions, and was thinking of just doing #ubuntu. a) Any objections to the wallop? b) Is #ubuntu fine, or would you prefer another channel (it will likely lead to quite a few people joining and asking questions)
[18:00] <Pici> nhandler: that sounds fine to me.
[18:18] <nhandler> FYI: [WALLOPS]: We would like to extend our congratulations to the Ubuntu community on the release of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus), which is now available for download at http://www.ubuntu.com/ . /join #ubuntu with any questions.
[18:18] <Pici> :) thanks
[18:20] <nhandler> Thank you for being awesome (all of you) :) I know how crazy things can get, especially around release time.
[18:30] <DJones> I wonder whether #u will go over 2000 nicks today, getting close to it now
[18:41] <DJones> Pici: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15971050/ There's a pastebin of a couple of commands if you want to pass it onto the dev you mentioned
[19:15] <Pici> sigh
[19:16] <dax> hrm?
[19:16] <Pici> no one updated http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[19:17] <k1l_> yeah
[19:17] <Pici> so people aren't getting prompted for upgrades
[19:17] <dax> oh lawd
[19:17] <Pici> I've mentioned it twice in -release, and supposedly the person responsible for that is afk.
[19:17] <DJones> I blame popey
[19:18] <Pici> hes responsible for deleting things, not adding them ;)
[19:18] <dax> probably afk putting out the fire in the server rooms
[19:18] <DJones> Could even be at a release party
[19:21] <Pici> just got a response back, should be happening shortly
[19:29] <Pici> and... done.
[19:29] <DJones> Confirmed, its working for me know
[19:34] <popey>  😃
[19:34] <popey> you guys...
[20:00] <elky> who maintains blamepopey these days anyway?
[20:07] <hggdh> isn't it automagically maintained?
[20:09]  * elky shrugs
[23:05] <bazhang> so now bash/clang/bsd/buntu-windows, finally emacs-windows
[23:24] <dax> i forget, what do we do with #u+1 between release and toolchain
[23:24] <Unit193> Usually +if, iirc.
[23:24] <Unit193> Last time it wasn't closed though.
[23:24] <dax> could just leave it unless it gets silly
[23:25] <dax> it wasn't too bad this cycle imho
[23:30] <hggdh> 16.10 will be opened very soon, we could just leave +1 there
[23:31] <wxl> don't say "very," hggdh. it doesn't have a name YET :)
[23:32] <hggdh> heh. Mark has probably been thinking about it for a while now. OTOH, I do not think there are that many animals with names stating with y
[23:33] <bazhang> yak
[23:33] <bazhang> thus yakkity yak
[23:34] <wxl> there's definately ways
[23:34] <hggdh> yodeling yak?
[23:34] <wxl> oops wrong one
[23:34] <wxl> i think yakkity yak is pretty good
[23:41] <IdleOne-> hggdh: last couple of releases we have left it open


[03:47] <est31> can I already use launchpad to start yaketty builds?
[03:47] <est31> because atm it fails for me
[03:47] <est31> https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds/+recipebuild/1176477
[03:48] <est31> it only fails for yakkety: https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+recipe/minetest-daily
[03:48] <est31> all others work, but as you can see on the page, the yakkety build is shown as "Could not build because of missing dependencies"
[10:24] <BluesKaj_> Hiyas all


[00:35] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue821 up for review and any final edits: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-821/41330 :D
[00:36] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om
[00:37] <Bashing-om> :D :D
[00:48] <guiverc> Bashing-om, space needed probably on R300 title "In 2024###"
[00:51]  * guiverc smiles when I see security updates... i question my smile though...
[00:52] <Bashing-om> guiverc: fixing the space.
[00:53] <guiverc> i just did , refresh & it should show (using right-click fix)
[00:53] <guiverc> looks good, that was all i saw.. (excluding my reverse reaction to seeing security fixes..)
[00:54] <guiverc> it looks good Bashing-om
[00:57] <Bashing-om> guiverc: We do good works :D
[01:03] <guiverc> ps: sorry for my quick edit fix.. I tried the right-click edit offering of the browser... :)
[01:13] <Bashing-om> guiverc: May have to learn that "right-click edit offering " myself :D
[01:15] <guiverc> for simple edits its fast; highlight some text or a section & right click (OR just move mouse a tad & you'll be offered QUOTE or EDIT - this is what I'm talking about)..    try it, you can click AWAY from the edit box to close..
[01:37] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup - right click much the easier :P
[01:39] <guiverc> where complex formatting is involved, thus far I'll stick to a full edit.. but for easy stuff that is super-fast  (I'll still do a quick scan of DIFF (raw) to ensure i got what I wanted anyway)
[01:41] <Bashing-om> guiverc: So much left in life to learn :P
[01:42] <guiverc> If only i didn't forget so much.....
[01:51] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Reminds me -- I used to keep note-books of the code I wrote, recently opened one of them -- and even with good comments I could no longer read the code that *I* wrote !~
[01:56] <guiverc> most of my 'learnings' are saved to .txt files which get stored on the local file-system, and where I deem valuable copied to my file-server (available all boxes)..  Alas I often can't make heads-or-tails of them, they made assumptions I no longer assume, OR often my 'misspeaks' (distraction or changing of wording) can be confusing...   (same thing except no handwriting involved)
[01:58] <Bashing-om> guiverc: quilty of that too - I have 10/12 text files of varing info - now when I seek to find some tid-bit --- what file did I store that tid-bit in !
[02:00] <guiverc> fgrep is my goto... I just hope my search 'keywords' match the wording I used back whenever...
[02:03] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Uh Huh - I try to be consistent with my tagging - but - failure to keep maintained :P
[17:27] <Eickmeyer> https://mast.hpc.social/@nuccitheboss/111720825784183553
[20:01] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling WIP/WIKI - starting the push.
[20:20] <Bashing-om> UWN: M/L is away - doing the Forums posting next.
[20:32] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forums post done - Making up the Mastodom blog next.
[20:38] <pleia2> btw, I think it's fine to link<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to the Subscribe section at this point, even if it's not fancy, most people just like having the notification that it's available and don't need to read fancy text :)
[20:43]  * guiverc just noted arraybolt3 made MOTU :)  (822)
[20:45] <pleia2> also, you all are doing amazing, thank you <3
[20:46] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2024/01/08/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-821/
[20:52] <guiverc> thanks pleia2 :)
[20:52] <guiverc> shared uwn 821 via twitter, telegram, (mewe)
[20:57] <guiverc> uwn 821 shared via fb
[21:19] <guiverc> Bashing-om, title of new issue is 821 (same as what we just published..)
[21:21] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ouch !! lemme try and remedy that !
[21:28] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Sweat condition one seems now resolved :D
[21:28] <guiverc> yep, thanks.
[21:32] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Many thanks to you too - Small thunderstorm here - scared Doggie takes my attention.
[22:10] <guiverc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2024-January/042867.html  (maybe for Aaron & MOTU)
[22:30] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Uh Huh ^ - was intending to catch that up in tomorrow's M/L perusals :P
[22:37] <guiverc> not a problem & thanks Bashing-om


[07:33] <ricotz> jbicha, hi
[12:22] <jbicha> ricotz: hi
[12:47] <ricotz> jbicha, hi
[12:48] <ricotz> jbicha, were you a GNOME Foundation member?
[12:50] <ricotz> afaics vouching only works if I am a member which I am not
[12:53] <jbicha> oh sorry about that, you should consider applying then!
[12:54] <ricotz> jbicha, are you maintaining a gnome project?
[12:54] <jbicha> no
[12:55] <ricotz> or largely contributing to one?
[12:55] <jbicha> I don't know if it's supposed to be public or not, but you can read through people's applications
[12:55] <jbicha> here's mine: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/membership-committee/2012-May/msg00068.html
[12:57] <ricotz> jbicha, ah ok, I guess I would qualify too
[12:57] <jbicha> yes, I think your work on the gnome3 ppas at least is important to GNOME
[12:58] <ricotz> yes, more speaking of vala and gobject-introspection
[19:51] <mrasker> hello, is this the right place to ask a questio about rhythmbox?
[19:53] <SonikkuAmerica> mrasker: You may
[20:00] <mrasker> well, i installed the rhythmbox-radio-browser plugin in ubuntu 14.04 several times and in several ways but it always colapses my rhythmbox
[20:01] <mrasker> i have another computer with the same configuration and everything works
[20:07] <SonikkuAmerica> mrasker: Try in #ubuntu . They have the same version of Rhythmbox.
[20:08] <mrasker> thanks, i'll try
[21:55] <flexiondotorg> Hi. Are Ubuntu GNOME going to participate in 16.10 Alpha1?
[22:07] <JohannesG> Evening
[22:08] <JohannesG> Just upgraded to Ubuntu Gnome 16.04. (from Ubuntu 14.04, although have it partitioned in such a way I could format my root partition and keep my home partition), and I am running into some mouse problems. Having difficulty finding information online.
[22:09] <JohannesG> I am using a Logitech Trackball Marble and have followed this guide since 12.04 (on Ubuntu, Xubuntu and Lubuntu) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Logitech_Marblemouse_USB but now after adding it to my fresh Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 install it doesn't seem to be detected at all.
[22:10] <JohannesG> are x.org.conf.d config files (50-marblemouse.conf) still the correct way to adjust mouse settings or is there something else used in 16.04?


[14:41] <cyphermox> CarlFK: all he really needed was to add 'automatic-ubiquity' on the kernel command-line when booting the graphical installer.
[14:41] <cyphermox> CarlFK: (he = AgeOfAsparagus)
[14:47] <CarlFK> cyphermox: hmm... googles.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityAutomation  read that..
[14:48] <CarlFK> so why would someone want that over di?
[15:25] <cyphermox> if you're installing a desktop, it's just as fine, and probably slightly faster
[15:26] <cyphermox> at the point where one preseeds things, you can pretty much pick whatever you prefer.
[15:27] <cyphermox> automatic-ubiquity though just means that it will not wait for you to pick the language, and just use the preseeding. Preseeding without automatic-ubiquity works, but you get the welcome screen
[15:32] <CarlFK> why would it be faster?
[15:32] <CarlFK> er, which would be faster ?


[05:43] <RAOF> Oh, no. That's why the compiler is giving me an error in a line of code I can't see? That tab is SSHd into a different system?! 🤦♀


[10:32] <rmg51> Morning
[10:50] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:27] <`l1t3p1p3`> nice day for coffee here in PA
[11:37] <waltman> *YAWN*
[11:45] <JonathanD> hey walt
[11:46] <waltman> hey.
[11:46] <waltman> JonathanD: you need today's tools.woot!
[11:46] <JonathanD> I know
[11:46] <JonathanD> waltman: doesn't look very portable, though.
[11:47] <JonathanD> it's a very good price for that size.
[11:47] <waltman> "Easy clip screen design for easy set up and take down"
[11:47] <waltman> but yeah..
[11:47] <JonathanD> waltman: well compared to the one i have.
[11:51] <waltman> the frame doesn't look very collapsible
[11:51] <waltman> oh, 34 pounds. doesn't seem very portable
[13:07] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[13:12] <pvl1> hey guys, do u know what module I'd need in initramfs to boot from usb device
[14:26] <InHisName> argv_turk: is mutant turkey mutating into programming vars ?
[17:23] <argv_turk> heheh
[17:23] <argv_turk> yes
[18:49] <waltman> soon he'll be mech_turk
[18:57] <argv_turk> i finally fixed up my bike
[18:57] <argv_turk> but i took it for a 2 block spin
[18:57] <argv_turk> it is FFFIng cold
[18:58] <KyleYankan> Yeah, I would of let it sit. "I'll confirm it's fixed in the SPRING"
[19:01] <argv_turk> yeah its just so much cheaper to bike
[19:02] <argv_turk> so i try to do it as much as i can
[19:02] <argv_turk> since theres cheap way to transit the way i want


[01:40] <PeterDarkness> Hey all, quick question. How do I change the keybinding (ctrl-alt-backspace [logout]) ? I keep nabbing it. :S
[02:09] <histo> Is there info anywhere on xubuntu 9.10 ?  I can't seem to find anything on it.
[02:09] <histo> ex: what sort of changes/features are being added.
[02:16] <PeterDarkness> Not many folks talkin tonight sadly :\
[02:17] <histo> Found some stuff int he wiki
[02:50] <crazygir> forces: nope, rdp
[03:50] <megamanx1978> Hi ppl
[03:51] <megamanx1978> Can someone help me with a xfce problem?
[04:05] <Hexbomber> I recently acquired a server, and am trying to setup my wired network on it (static IP), it has an integrated network card, but it'
[04:06] <Hexbomber> 's really slow, and I installed a PCI network card, but now neither of them work. :( I'm running xubuntu 9.04, anyone willing to spend some time and try and help with it?
[04:53] <frenzy> Please set the POSTGRESQL_LIB_DIR environment variable. For example: export POSTGRESQL_LIB_DIR=/opt/MyPostgreSQLInstallation/lib
[07:50] <yesitisjustme> any software that will detect hardware without having to open computer?
[07:51] <Besogon> lshw
[07:52] <yesitisjustme> thanks
[07:53] <Besogon> or apt-get install hardinfo
[07:54] <yesitisjustme> k
[13:23] <DigitalFO> hi, I have a bootable USB with xubuntu on it. It boots like a live CD, how can Install xubuntu to the computers HDD
[13:26] <DigitalFO> I bet there is already everthing on board when xubuntu is running, but I don't know how. I googled for hours.
[13:30] <SiDi> DigitalFO: is it a Live USB key or a real system ?
[13:30] <SiDi> DigitalFO: i'm not sure at all, but maybe you can install 'ubiquity' from your USB key and then launch it. It's the package containing the installer
[13:31] <DigitalFO> I made it with UNetbootin
[13:31] <DigitalFO> it boots directly to the desktop
[13:32] <DigitalFO> the ubuntu help page said it would be persistent on the usb stick, but it is not
[13:37] <SiDi> There is a checkbox for this on the unetbooting app
[13:37] <SiDi> You need to check something like "allocate space for my settings and documents"
[13:39] <DigitalFO> I am using the windows version, I can't see it there, but my primary problem is how do I install it to the hard disc?
[13:43] <DigitalFO> the stick only worked when I let UNetbootin download the image, when I selected the Image I downloaded manually it said "currupted or invalid" at boot up
[13:45] <DigitalFO> well I will go on and search if there is no easy way to install it from USB
[14:04] <DigitalFO> oh I just have to go to "System" and then "Install" lol
[14:21] <benchik> hello
[14:21] <benchik> is there a glade3.6 backport for xubuntu hardy?
[14:40] <SiDi> benchik: no idea, but if there is for ubuntu hardy there will be for xubuntu too
[14:40] <SiDi> you shall ask on #ubuntu
[17:56] <chris_> hello
[17:57] <chris_> inmy logout-windows there is the checkbox missing "save session for further logins"
[17:57] <chris_> how can i retrieve the checkbox
[17:59] <chris_> I'm using xubuntu 9.04
[18:27] <zachary> hello, I cannot find the wxgtk version of VLC in the repositories
[21:54] <ketco> Hi
[21:54] <ketco> Anyone know where I can download Automatix?
[21:54] <ketco> getautomatix isn't online anymore


[16:33] <SineDeviance> hi all. i am running budgie 18.10. can someone please recommend a good GTK music player that isn't rhythmbox? I wanted exaile, but it seems they have not updated the ubuntu ppa in years
[17:12] <sorinello> SineDeviance, you could try SMPlayer and VLC, even if these are primarily for videos
[17:24] <SineDeviance> sorinello: i forgot about clementine. but thanks :D


 I've configured the Intel VROC bits already but when commissioning the node it shows both NVME disks and not the RAID1 mirror
[07:16] <shadowphax> I am not sure this point if I am meant to see both disks or the one. Surely I would expect to see the one RAID1 mirror disk instead of both
[07:16] <shadowphax> any thoughts ?
[07:16] <shadowphax> booting off a standard Ubuntu 18.04 LTS iso shows this correctly
[09:43] <shadowphax> any ideas?
[12:47] <v92> shadowphax: I'd use software raid, not sure what Intel VROC is but if I see two disks in MaaS I'd create mdraid from them
[14:11] <mup> Bug #1866325 opened: MAAS KVM (Pods) on Power wasn't able to spawn VMs <ppc64el> <MAAS:New> <The Ubuntu-power-systems project:New for maas> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1866325>


[12:31] <daker> mhall119, cjohnston nigelb interested in redesigning LTP ?
[12:32] <mhall119> daker: I thought that was your and Ronnie's job
[12:33] <daker> mhall119, ok
[12:34] <mhall119> daker: part of jono's "make it tab-worthy" effort
[12:34] <daker> ok
[12:39] <nigelb> daker: I suck at design. If you make something awesome, I will hug you :D
[12:42] <daker> mhall119, when i am saying redesign it's REDESIGN starting from the light theme ツ
[12:42] <mhall119> daker: oh.  I don't want to stray too far from the official design guidelines
[12:43] <daker> mhall119, no we will stay very close to the guidelines
[12:44] <mhall119> daker: make some mockups and send them to the team mailing list
[12:44] <daker> mhall119, ok
[12:50] <daker> mhall119, do we have all users e-mails ?
[13:07] <mhall119> daker: you mean users of LTP?
[13:07] <daker> yep
[13:07] <mhall119> I don't think so, why?
[13:13] <daker> hmm ok mhall119, i was just thinking of adding some email notifications, etc...
[13:15] <mhall119> daker: we should have an email address from OpenID for most everyone (though it's an optional field now).  You can write it so that it sends an email if we have an email
[13:15] <daker> yeah
[13:16] <mhall119> and we'll have to work with IS to make sure that box is configured to send email
[15:13] <nigelb> mhall119: http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2011/10/04/developing-with-vagrant-puppet-and-playdoh/
[15:19] <mhall119> nigelb: interesting, but complicated
[15:20] <nigelb> mhall119: I kinda agree with the post. If you want to develop, you shouldn't need to spend hours setting up env.
[21:38] <cjohnston> mhall119: do we need to run update-openids one more time?
[23:02] <mhall119> cjohnston: remind me alter to update settings.py so we don't have to
[23:13] <cjohnston> mhall119: when you update settings.py will it fix the already borked ones?
[23:17] <cjohnston> daker: https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/loco-directory/ltp-blog-fixes/+merge/73095   I think its proposed for merging into the wrong branch