[08:46] <davidcalle> Good morning o/
[10:44] <dandrader> Saviq, regarding that Qt.application.state: we are reverting first and fixing later?
[10:44] <dandrader> Saviq, didn't look yet, but fix should be as simple as not deleting the code that the original MP removed
[10:44] <dandrader> Saviq, as they are too separate, independent, APIs
[11:35] <Mirv> qtmultimedia migrated to release pocket in xenial
[11:59] <dandrader> Saviq, got an MP with the proper fix for bug 1528668
[13:25] <Saviq> dandrader|afk, state wasn't working either (and actually it does work after the revert)
[13:26] <Saviq> I'm inclined to wait for a test suite before merging this again...
[13:31] <Saviq> since it doesn't obviously improve anything (as .state still switches between {in,}active)
[14:19] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: ping
[14:20] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, pong
[14:20] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: i tried the phablet-dev-bootstrap several tiems but it always ends up giving me an error
[14:20] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: how do you want me to proceed with this crash? open a bug? or?
[14:21] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, what kind of error and in what part of the process?
[14:21] <tsdgeos> i'll give you a paste
[14:21] <tsdgeos> give me a min
[14:21] <dandrader> Saviq, don't what you said
[14:22] <dandrader> s/don't/don't get
[14:22] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, ok
[14:26] <Saviq> dandrader, let me start again - the original change that I'm reverting does not improve anything obvious, as Qt.application.state and .active both work without it
[14:27] <Saviq> dandrader, seeing as we've failed a lot these last few times between qtmir and qtubuntu, I'm inclined to wait until we have a test suite for qtubuntu to merge this
[14:27] <dandrader> Saviq, 1- it updates the state in more situations, making it more accurate (such as when the window gets unfocused)
[14:27] <Saviq> yes, I understand
[14:27] <dandrader> Saviq, 2- it sets the Suspended state appropriately
[14:27] <Saviq> in any case, January, since QA isn't working any more anyway
[14:27] <dandrader> Saviq, without it, you would get inactive only when suspended
[14:28] <Saviq> dandrader, sure, what I mean is we've been living without it, so we can wait a bit and get it unit-tested, so when we introduce it again we can actually be sure we've not broken anything
[14:29] <dandrader> Saviq, so is that how it's going to be for any qtubuntu change from now on?
[14:30] <Saviq> dandrader, yes, we need unit tests for all changes there, we've broken it too much recently
[14:30] <dandrader> Saviq, not sure it's unit testable
[14:31] <Saviq> dandrader, then we need higher level tests for it, something automated
[14:32] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: now is suddenly doing differnent things, i don't understand that command, bear with it until it finishes/fails again :D
[14:32] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, ok
[14:35] <Saviq> dandrader, so yeah, let's focus first in January on getting a plan for testing this
[14:35] <Saviq> if it's an autopilot test, so be it
[16:32] <prsteele> hello. Anyone here know how Unity launches the indicator applets? In particular, I want to be able to add the unity indicators to a trayer tray
[16:52] <dandrader> Saviq, qtmlr got contaminated with untity7 tags :/
[16:52] <dandrader> qtmir
[17:02] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah, long time ago
[17:36] <dandrader> tedg, around?
[21:09] <frecel> hello
[21:09] <frecel> is there a way to use SystemComponentes through pygobject or some other python lib?
[21:10] <frecel> mhall119: ^


[07:53] <studio-user478> After upgrading to kernel 4.13.0-32 my system freezes a few seconds to a few minutes after login.   Any ideas?
[15:20] <paulnoise> Hi, I found the answer for this in this room before and wrote it down somewhere safe......
[15:20] <paulnoise> I have an issue when i change the volume on my laptop (ubuntu studio) using the taks bar icon, I get a second volume control appearing above it.  any Idea how to stop this
[15:37] <paulnoise> Hi Danwe
[15:37] <paulnoise> maybe you could help me
[15:37] <paulnoise> I have an issue when i change the volume on my laptop (ubuntu studio) using the taks bar icon, I get a second volume control appearing above it.  any Idea how to stop this
[15:38] <danwe> paulnoise: Hi paulnoise
[15:39] <danwe> I know this porblem, not sure why it is happening, but you might be running two sound settings on the same time?
[15:39] <paulnoise> yes, i think that is what is happening.  I had this last time i installed studio
[15:40] <paulnoise> any idea how i stop one of them?
[15:40] <paulnoise> i wrote it down last time how to fix it.
[15:40] <paulnoise> i lost the instructions :(
[22:54] <CoderEurope> saw some chatter from here earlier - all ok now ?


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[00:03] <xubuntu242> I have a question, not sure if this is the right place for it. I have an ATI/AMD All-in-Wonder 2006 AGP Edition and I am trying the video input to work. I installed xatitv from the software center but when I go to run it, nothing happens, not even an error message. any sugestions?
[00:04] <xubuntu242> And if this is not the right place to ask, could someone please point me to a forum that could help me?
[00:06] <David-A> xubuntu242: drivers and most programs are the same in ubuntu as in xubuntu. you can wait here for a while or ask in #ubuntu or in http://ubuntuforums.org
[00:07] <xubuntu242> Ok thank you!
[00:33] <Jayneil> Hi. Hibernate does not work properly in Xubuntu 13.04 for me. The weird thing is that it works via the command line or even from the shutdown menu. But, I have configured my power settings such that my laptop will hibernate e if battery is low. The laptop even hibernates successfully but next time when I boot it, it does not remember the hibernate state. It just resumes normal boot. Any else facing this issue? Any suggestions?
[00:59] <wood_quinn> Are Xubuntu disc images hybrid images like Ubuntu ones?
[00:59] <wood_quinn> (i.e. can I just dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdX)
[01:05] <ubuntustudio> Hello, I have been here in the past to ask this same question, I've been having issues with it for months and months and months now - any help would be GREATLY appreciated.  Essentially when I install Ubuntu - of any sort - it successfully installs but than the Radeon graphics card driver apparently doesn't work and the screen just turns on and off after boot.  WOrks great off usb.    Here is my driver info: http://paste.ubuntu
[01:05] <ubuntustudio> .com/6053323/ - also worth noting I've tried multiple times to DL the newest driver from Radeon site and the .run opens SO slow after 3 hours it was less than 25%, needless to say I quit out of that each time.... I've tried all the drivers I was able to find... and now I am unsure of how to even have these updates effect my actual filesystem on myPC - not just the USB, as I set up a 1.4G persistence.  Lastly it is worth noting
[01:05] <ubuntustudio> that RANDOMLY it will work after the install, meaning, the graphics driver just works, the screen does not blink on and off.  THe only reason it doesn't still work is I've had to reinstall due to other issues.
[01:08] <decci> I am facing this issue : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6053399/
[01:35] <David-A> ubuntustudio: what xubuntu version? i googled and found this guy have similar setup: http://tech.deepumohan.com/2012/04/ati-radeon-hd-6600m-graphics-card-on.html
[01:35] <ubuntustudio> Ubuntu or Studio 12 - 13
[01:36] <ubuntustudio> I am thinking its my Hybrid Graphics - i dont know.... this is getting nuts though.  I need to figure it out.  THanks for the help though, man.
[01:36] <David-A> ubuntustudio: have you tried just enable or disable the driver(s) suggested in System Settings > Additional Drivers ?
[01:37] <ubuntustudio> yes, but.... i am running off usb... studio 13 installed correctly but after boot my screen just turns on and off... so how do i make changes to that...?
[01:38] <ubuntustudio> And that goes for the link you just sent me... looks interesting but how are the changes I make on my live usb going to effect my already installed version that wont show me the screen after boot?
[01:40] <David-A> ubuntustudio: if it is a fresh install the drivers in Additional Drivers used to be disabled. (i don't know now). is there an option "failsafe" you can try when logging in? or does the screen turn off before login?
[01:43] <ubuntustudio> right after the f2 f4 options the screen goes on and off
[01:44] <ubuntustudio> its REALLY been difficult as I've bought this laptop from a friend 6 months ago and put ubuntu on right off and had issues since... I dont understand why SOMETIMES it would just WORK... others the screen does this.  Needless to say its not just 'worked' this go around.
[01:45] <David-A> ubuntustudio: right, you have to be able to login. it is not easy to manage these details from a live usb. you could edit config files on the hdd from the live usb, but that is beyond me.
[01:46] <ubuntustudio> what is the deal with a persistence file, that just effects the usb?
[01:47] <ubuntustudio> Man, I just don't know what the heck to do.... I wanna record!  Heh, all I can think about is whenever it finally DOES work I stil have 9,000 other things to do to get it back and running how I'd like.
[01:48] <David-A> ubuntustudio: when it works, save the /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere. then when it fails, in the next live usb session again save the then latest Xorg.0.log. look for differences when it worked and when it didn't.
[01:48] <David-A> ubuntustudio: I don't know if it will help. just a thought.
[01:49] <ubuntustudio> yeah, WHEN... cause thats the keyword... a good 10 goes in the last few days and nothing....
[01:49] <ubuntustudio> shit man.... ok well I truly appreciate the help, I am going to just try again I supose.
[01:51] <David-A> ubuntustudio: actually, the Xorg.0.log on the hdd would be from a faild session now, and the Xorg.0.log in the current live session from a successful session. but there are likely different configurations, so there are likely irrellevant differences.
[02:03] <Herr_Kriss> hey! I hope your day is going good :)
[02:04] <Herr_Kriss> I wonder - is it possible to install Xubuntu on one computer and then move disk to another computer? They are very different.
[02:04] <Herr_Kriss> I'm trying to install it and:
[02:04] <Herr_Kriss> 1) install fails just after hardware check
[02:05] <Herr_Kriss> 2) I was trying to do sudo apt-get remove ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu
[02:05] <Herr_Kriss> but it froze at "building database" at 25%
[02:06] <Herr_Kriss> 3) I was trying to install it with polp but it randomly freezes at early start of installer or when it shows that keyboard and human logo (what's that?)
[02:07] <Herr_Kriss> 3 was by CD/USB, because that laptop (Thinkpad T22) doesn't support USB boot by itself
[02:14] <David-A> Herr_Kriss: iirc it should be possible if you don't install hw specific drivers. (but don't try a 64bit system on a 32bit cpu.)
[02:14] <Herr_Kriss> David-A: ok, thanks :) I'll give a try with Ubuntu and then switch it to Xubuntu. Well, worth trying.
[04:54] <letenken> hello, anyone ever have an issue with HDMI output not working correctly? After i plug in my HDMI cable, the screen is cloned straight onto my TV, however under Settings->Display, there is only a "default" display I am unable to control the resolution of the TV
[05:26] <SunStar> have you tried Sttings -> ARandR
[05:26] <SunStar> my bad
[11:22] <xtriz> is that possible to run gala without problems in xubuntu ?
[11:34] <xtriz> how can i enable hotcorner ?
[11:35] <bgardner> xtriz: Looks like you should install brightside for hot corners.
[11:36] <xtriz> bgardner, ok installing it.
[11:36] <bgardner> xtriz: And while gala appears to work in Xubuntu, you probably won't find much support for it in this channel.
[11:37] <xtriz> bgardner, only basic functionality works..
[11:37] <xtriz> other functions are not working.
[11:37] <xtriz> they just kick me from their support channel to here, from here i get kicked over there. :(
[11:39] <bgardner> xtriz: Well, gala isn't part of Xubuntu, so there isn't much I can say.  I found this, as I'm sure you already did: http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1124446-using-gala-compositing-in-xubuntu-1210/
[11:40] <bgardner> xtriz: But again, it's not part of Xubuntu so we can't support it here.
[11:40] <xtriz> ok bgardner i can understand.
[11:40] <bgardner> xtriz: Aside from wishing you luck :)
[11:40] <xtriz> yeah i have read that thread.
[11:40] <xtriz> bgardner, thank you so much :)
[11:41] <xtriz> one more thing
[11:41] <xtriz> where can i find the config files of xfce-settings ?
[11:42] <bgardner> xtriz: The files themselves?  I imagine you want the folder ./.config/xfce4
[11:43] <xtriz> bgardner, if any changes i want to make i can edit this files and it will be visible in the gui correct ?
[11:45] <bgardner> xtriz: I would guess so, but I haven't done that myself.
[11:46] <xtriz> let me experiment :)
[11:47] <ui_> At least for panels, you restart xfce4-panel, as in http://askubuntu.com/a/224037/24432
[11:48] <ui_> +for the menu, restart xfdesktop, http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[11:49] <bgardner> And that's the kind of detail I wasn't sure about - thanks ui_
[11:49] <ui_> though I don't know whether there are other cases
[11:50] <ui_> But I think that logging out and logging in again should be sufficient.
[11:51] <ui_> ... if you are unsure whether you forgot to restart some of these services.
[12:52] <xtriz> ui_, that was very useful info :)
[13:12] <T699> Hello, last night I had to perform a hard shutdown after the computer froze while attempting to shut down normally. Now when I boot, I have no internet and wireless isn't detected. Any ideas?
[13:17] <GridCube> is this a notebook ?
[13:18] <ui_> Next time, try the Alt+SysRq+REISUB before the hard shutdown http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Uses
[13:18] <ui_> Please post the output of dmesg | tail and lspci -nn on paste.ubuntu.com
[13:18] <ui_> !paste
[13:33] <xubuntu797> Hello.
[13:33] <xubuntu797> Hello.
[13:33] <xubuntu797> I need help.
[13:33] <cfhowlett> !askk|xubuntu797,
[13:33] <xubuntu797> So many niggas.
[13:34]  * cfhowlett ... instantly realizes he's speaking with an idiot.
[13:36] <pmjdebruijn> cfhowlett: :)
[15:04] <Maple__> Hai, this is a question not 100% releated to Xubuntu but an issue I haven't had on any of the other dozen or so other distros I've previously used. I'm trying to get Java Swing applications/online Java applets to use the GTK+ look and feel; I've tried editing ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc as well as /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/lib/swing.properties without success. This is what I've tried so far (wi
[15:04] <Maple__> thout success) - http://pastie.org/8291574
[15:05] <Maple__> Assistance would be greatly appreciated, please. :<
[15:22] <GridCube> :( i dont know about java
[15:23] <bsk> Maple__: I've tried here and it worked, but I'm using the webupd8's PPA - http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-via.html - instead of OpenJDK
[15:46] <ozbrk> hello everyone I have a question how can I install a new theme, windows border or ican pack on my xfce4
[15:54] <bullgard4> ozbrk:  http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/appearance
[15:58] <xubuntu306> bien   le   bonjour    a   vous  ,problèmes pour   diffuser    du   son   de   ma carte    son
[16:00] <nikolam> xubuntu306, #ubuntu-fr ETC.. ? :P
[16:03] <WillieEverlearn> howdy
[16:42] <nikolam> Xubuntu is "next Ubuntu" :) http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux311_disk_encryption&num=1
[17:10] <imark> can someone tell me which display manager xubuntu uses by default?
[17:11] <imark> can someone tell me which display manager xubuntu uses by default?
[17:16] <pmjdebruijn> lightdm IIRC
[17:17] <pmjdebruijn> ps axuf | grep dm  # usually tells :)
[17:24] <elfy> pmjdebruijn: they'll not see - they left :)
[17:24] <pmjdebruijn> oh
[17:24] <pmjdebruijn> right
[17:24] <pmjdebruijn> oh damn, he wasn't particularly patient
[17:25] <pmjdebruijn> it's baffling why people even try, if you're not going to stick around with at least 20 minutes
[17:26] <pmjdebruijn> I mean you're average paid support desk takes at least that long :)
[17:28] <elfy> pmjdebruijn: such is life
[17:28] <pmjdebruijn> indeed
[17:30] <pmjdebruijn> imark: lightdm probably
[17:30] <pmjdebruijn> imark: ps axuf | grep dm  # usually tells :)
[17:30] <pmjdebruijn> btw, does anybody know if there's is a xubuntu beta 1 planned this week as well?
[17:33] <imark> pmjdebruijn: i dont use it, so i came here to ask. is there a guest session that you can get to from the login, similar to ubuntu?
[17:33] <imark> im just figuring out options for the work laptop
[17:39] <pmjdebruijn> so he's probably having connectivity issues :)
[17:41] <elfy> looks like it :)
[18:15] <rauch> what's the best way to run a scan on a efi partition to check for errors? fsck gives me a dirty bit, but won't seem to try to fix it
[19:14] <Maple__> bsk: did the same and failed
[19:33] <xubuntu240> slm
[19:36] <Maple__> yay, it works now :o
[20:18] <xubuntu323> hello, i have a problem:
[20:19] <xubuntu323> everytime i try to install xubuntu 13.4 the installation interrupts
[20:35] <gallez> hey guys, can anyone tell me where the software download thingy is? i'm new to xubuntu
[20:35] <elfy> in the menu - ubuntu software centre
[20:35] <gallez> elfy: thank you
[20:36] <elfy> welcome - though I have to say - I find it slow to do anything and install and use synaptic
[20:37] <xubuntu498> Hi
[20:38] <knome>  ...lo
[21:30] <imark> can anyone tell me: is there an option to log in as a guest session straight from the login screen
[21:30] <imark> on xubuntu
[21:40] <Sysi> imark: yes
[21:41] <imark> cool, thanks
[23:01] <Jiti> Hi all !
[23:04] <Jiti> My ALC862 ATI SB450 audio chip seems not working correctly... :/


[01:28] <Cheesehead> Bug 784557: Looking for a second opinion
[01:28] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 784557 in ubuntu "Searching for some proprietary software yields no results in software centre / application lens (affects: 1) (heat: 442)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784557
[01:28] <Cheesehead> I marked that bug Invalid in Brainstorm becasue it seemed like a good Wishlist or Low bug
[01:29] <Cheesehead> Looking for opinions - shouls it be Low, Wishlist, or Brainstorm?
[01:29] <Cheesehead> (dratted spelling)
[01:34] <Cheesehead> Again, I'm the one who Invalidated it in Brainstorm, not Launchpad. Somebody else did that.
[01:34] <Cheesehead> So the poor user is stuck bureaucratic limbo.
[01:50] <Cheesehead> Anyone?
[01:55] <hggdh> Cheesehead: agreed, and I reopened the bug
[01:55] <Cheesehead> Thanks for the look.
[01:56] <hggdh> Cheesehead: welcome, and thank you for looking at it
[01:57] <Cheesehead> Back to Brainstorm.....
[04:01] <CarlFK> how do I bug /etc/profile?  http://dpaste.com/548153/ blocks starting at 4 and 32 both run all the scripts in /etc/profile.d so they all get run twice
[04:06] <braiam> CarlFK: «dpkg -S /etc/profile»
[04:07] <braiam> CarlFK: it gives you al package related to the file
[04:07] <CarlFK> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/profile.
[04:09] <CarlFK> how about: bash-completion, base-files: /etc/profile.d
[04:11] <CarlFK> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/amd64/base-files/filelist  there it is.
[04:12] <CarlFK> er, no.  there is /usr/share/base-files/profile
[04:12] <CarlFK> but it is the same file
[04:12] <CarlFK> so has the same problem, so it wins the bug.
[04:12] <micahg> CarlFK: base-files sounds right
[05:25] <cwillu_segfault> who wants to look at a crashing compiz in gdb with source?
[05:25] <cwillu_segfault> (segfault in regexec)
[05:51] <cwillu_segfault> who should get subscribed and/or poked with a compiz bug if there's now a backtrace with sourcelines attached, and no devs have commented yet?
[05:51] <cwillu_segfault> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/706918
[05:51] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 706918 in fedora (and 2 other projects) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in RegexExp::evaluate() (affects: 13) (heat: 68)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[05:52] <cwillu_segfault> (it's in ubuntu too :p)
[06:00] <braiam> cwillu_segfault: I guest that it should be forwarded to the upstream
[06:00] <cwillu> sorry, could you repeat that?
[06:00] <braiam> cwillu: I guest that it should be forwarded to the upstream
[06:00] <cwillu> ah, thanks
[14:19] <robrt`> Hi bugs team
[14:19] <robrt`> Just wondering, if I come across any bugs that are either outdated / can't be reproduced anymore / are fixed by now, is there anything I could do to help clean up?
[14:19] <robrt`> E.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/+bug/532543 has been fixed ages ago
[14:19] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 532543 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store (Ubuntu) "Cancelling paypal doesn't return to store (affects: 1) (heat: 7)" [Undecided,In progress]
[14:21] <arand> Normally you'd close (-> invali if you o no know the version/patch it was fixed in) the with a "We think it's fixed by now, if not, please feel free to reopen" I think there should be a teamplate for that..
[14:22] <robrt`> Yeah, but I'm not a Squad member :-)
[14:23] <arand> I think you can do this without being one..
[14:25] <robrt`> Ah, you're right. Thanks.
[14:29] <jibel> robrt`, it's a good practice to add an extract of the changelog, or point to the comment of an upstream bugtracker or mailing list discussion when closing an issue as 'fix released'
[14:30] <robrt`> will keep that in mind, thanks.
[15:06] <jibel> robrt`, thanks for helping with bugs :)
[15:06] <robrt`> Just getting my feet wet; it's all new and alien so far :-)
[18:36] <serfus> hey folks, can someone help me a sec with bzr related?
[18:37] <serfus> i'm trying to commit, but nothing happens... i feel pretty stupid... i guess i should do something but not sure what
[18:39] <hggdh> serfus: give us details, maybe wse can help (or direct you to a better channel)
[18:39] <serfus> i have fixed a small bug
[18:40] <serfus> what i did now is 'bzr commit --fixes=lp:789567'
[18:40] <serfus> which brought me to VIM
[18:40] <serfus> (i think so)
[18:40] <serfus> now i'm stuck
[18:40] <serfus> first time i'm doing this so....
[18:40] <serfus> :)
[18:41] <hggdh> serfus: all commits must have a commit message (explanation of what has changed, why)
[18:41] <serfus> --- This line and the following will be ignored --------------
[18:41] <serfus> modified:
[18:41] <serfus>   sessioninstaller/core.py
[18:41] <serfus> then many blank lines
[18:42] <hggdh> serfus: you can run like this: bzr commit --fixes=lp:123456 -m "sessioninstaller/core.py: changed yadda yadda to cater for blahblah"
[18:42] <hggdh> serfus: or, if you did not pass a -m, an editor will be opened; you then add in you comments there, and save (Esc ZZ)
[18:43] <serfus> hggdh, oh i think i understand!
[18:43] <serfus> give me a sec
[18:44] <serfus> just where do i add those comments?
[18:44] <hggdh> on the editor, *before* the line '--- This line and the following... ---'
[18:45] <hggdh> and then save it -- bzr will do the rest (throwing away the '... This line ...", and adding your comments to the change
[18:46] <hggdh> on doubts, there is always 'bzr commit --help' to _try_ to clean things out
[18:46] <serfus> ya this is what i should have look for
[18:46] <serfus> many thanks hggdh
[18:46] <serfus> !
[18:46] <serfus> i'll try to proceed from here
[18:46] <hggdh> serfus: you are most welcome
[18:55] <micahg> serfus: if this is for an archive upload, you can use debcommit if you make a proper changelog entry, it will automatically use the changelog entry as the commit message and do the bug linking for you
[19:00] <serfus> micahg, hum not sure if it's a archive upload
[19:01] <serfus> sounds a bit to complected for me :)
[19:01] <micahg> serfus: well, anything where you're adding a changelog entry
[19:01] <serfus> anyway, i got it already
[22:03] <Wipster> good evening all, in launchpad I have found numerous bugs reports which all come from the same problem as mine does, should I compile the list of duplicates into mine and add mine to the others? Does it help if they are all linked up?
[22:19] <braiam> Wipster: review them, search for the most complete, and mark the other ones as dupes
[22:20] <charlie-tca> if they are not kernel or xorg bugs only
[22:20] <charlie-tca> please don't dup kernel bugs
[22:24] <braiam> Wipster: don't dup kernel bugs ;)
[22:30] <Wipster> braiam, ok thanks so not xorg stuff too? The issue is with xserver
[22:31] <charlie-tca> Unless your hardware is an exact match, it is not a duplicate
[22:31] <braiam> Wipster: give some bug numbers
[22:31] <charlie-tca> and yes, almost is not exact
[22:35] <Wipster> #774978 is the best description and most full, has a lot of dupes.
[22:36] <braiam> bug 776978
[22:36] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 776978 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "everything on screen is garbled apart from the top bar (2 monitors, different resolutions, unity, natty) (affects: 10) (heat: 58)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/776978
[22:37] <Wipster> umm bug 774978 :)
[22:37] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 774978 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "xserver crashes in RecordAReply when XRecord is enabled in syndaemon (affects: 80) (dups: 19) (heat: 366)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774978


[07:33] <jussi> morning all
[07:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:53] <dpm> good morning everyone, morning dholbach
[07:53] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:53] <dholbach> dpm, how's the water situation?
[07:53] <dholbach> dpm, do you have time for a call in a bit?
[07:53] <dpm> dholbach, sure
[07:54] <dholbach> sweet
[07:54] <dholbach> do you need some more time or should I set up a hangout?
[07:54] <dpm> go for it
[07:56] <dholbach> dpm, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/a256da4028cb50ee47107a8ebd8ce5ac2eaeb775?authuser=0&hl=de#
[08:41] <dholbach> dpm, fantastic music :)
[08:41] <dpm> dholbach, glad you like it :)
[08:41] <dholbach> I just realised that I know many of those songs already, but in different versions :)
[08:47] <dpm> in a higher BPM, probably? ;)
[08:48] <dholbach> no, not necessarily :)
[08:56] <dholbach> dpm, although one of them was had a higher BPM number: https://soundcloud.com/slamboree/slamboree-i-hate-myself-glitch :)
[08:57] <dpm> ah, nice, I didn't know the electroswing version
[09:00] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:02] <dpm> morning czajkowski
[09:02] <dholbach> hi czajkowski
[09:03] <czajkowski> Good weekend folks?
[09:08] <dholbach> yep :)
[09:08] <dholbach> how 'bout you?
[09:13] <czajkowski> not bad party saturday night and hung out with my sister yesterday in london
[09:16] <dholbach> cool
[09:16] <dholbach> zdravo danilos
[09:21] <czajkowski> hmm my inbox is a bit um.... full
[09:21] <czajkowski> *sigh*
[09:55] <jussi> seiously, how do people get full inboxes on weekends?
[09:56] <philipballew> currently have 6,441 unread
[09:59] <czajkowski> jussi: bug mail LP queries
[09:59] <czajkowski> mailing lists
[09:59] <czajkowski> *shrugs*
[10:00] <czajkowski> 118 new mails since friday
[14:09] <mhall119> how do I get a meeting on the fridge calendar?
[14:10] <czajkowski> mhall119: email the fridge?
[14:11] <czajkowski> mhall119: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar
[14:11] <czajkowski> seems to have all the instructions
[14:11] <mhall119> thanks czajkowski
[14:20] <mhall119> czajkowski: does http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ display the calendar for you?
[14:20] <mhall119> I'm getting an error
[14:23] <czajkowski> yes
[14:23] <czajkowski> I can see it fine
[14:25] <mhall119> strange...
[14:29] <jcastro_> mhall119: well, moving to raring certainly fixed my dash speed problem
[14:32] <mhall119> oh?
[14:32]  * mhall119 is tempted to upgrade now
[14:36] <optimusprimem> tiagoscd, Oi tiago como vai
[15:10] <tiagoscd> optimusprimem: olá optimusprimem
[15:10] <tiagoscd> vou bem e você?
[15:13] <optimusprimem> tiagoscd, também :)
[16:35] <paultag> Howdy yinsers. Anyone know where the login.ubuntu.com maintainers live?
[16:35] <paultag> it would be mighty nice to get ahold of them.
[16:36] <dholbach> hey paultag, if all else fails, try #canonical-sysadmin
[16:36] <paultag> dholbach: howdy! How's life?
[16:36] <dholbach> great - how's yours? :)
[16:36] <paultag> not bad, not bad! :)
[16:37] <paultag> thanks for the tip, I'm considering forking it for work
[16:38] <paultag> dholbach: caught a bit of you when I watched a few debian-related sessions at UDS :)
[16:40] <dholbach> :-)
[16:50] <paultag> is anyone from #canonical-isd on EST time?
[16:51] <paultag> (or similar)
[16:52] <czajkowski> paultag: nobody in here would really know that tbh
[16:52] <paultag> Mmm. Alright.
[16:52] <paultag> I figured since it was .*ubuntu.* it was likely community.
[16:52] <paultag> alright, I'll bug folks elsewhere.
[16:53] <dholbach> paultag, there should be folks there all the time - it just might take a while
[16:53] <paultag> yeah, I figured. I was just wondering if anyone was on my time :)
[16:53] <dholbach> yes, there should be
[16:57] <dholbach> alright my friends - I've got to run - see you all tomorrow!
[16:57] <paultag> later dholbach, thanks for the help!
[16:57] <dholbach> no worries :)
[16:57] <dholbach> see you
[17:23] <BrokenThumb> Did anyone try to install Ubuntu on the Windows RT tablet yet? (Just a random thought that popped up in my head) or should I ask in a different channel?
[17:25] <pleia2> BrokenThumb: you're welcome here, but perhaps #ubuntu-discuss? :)
[17:25] <BrokenThumb> Thanks pleia2 =)
[17:26] <BrokenThumb> Btw, how's it going pleia2 ? Long time no "see"
[17:26] <mhall119> BrokenThumb: maybe #ubuntu-arm would be better
[17:27] <pleia2> BrokenThumb: great :) hope all is well with you!
[17:27] <BrokenThumb> Yeah, pretty much.
[17:27] <BrokenThumb> Ah, I might have you on my Facebook, but all the "important" posts are in Dutch probably =)
[17:29] <jcastro_> balloons: what do I run to run the unity autopilot?
[17:29] <balloons> quantal or raring
[17:30] <jcastro_> raring
[17:30] <balloons>  sudo apt-get install python-autopilot unity-autopilot
[17:30] <balloons>  autopilot list unity
[17:30] <balloons> pick one or more to run :-)
[17:30] <jcastro_> ta
[17:30] <BrokenThumb> pleia2: I'll get back to you after I'm done preparing dinner, alright?
[17:31] <pleia2> BrokenThumb: I'm at work anyway :) enjoy!
[17:32] <jcastro_> balloons: where's the wiki page for this? I'd like to Know More(tm)
[17:32] <balloons> jcastro_, :-)
[17:32] <balloons> what more do you want to know persay?
[17:32] <jcastro_> options and so on
[17:32] <BrokenThumb> Thanks, it's gonna be sauerkraut with potatoes =)
[17:32] <jcastro_> like, would I run this every day in the morning and report stuff, etc.
[17:38] <jcastro_> balloons: I don't understand if you don't have docs on it, I'm a big boy
[17:38] <jcastro_> you won't hurt my feelings
[17:38] <balloons> jcastro_, ohh certainly
[17:38] <balloons> so this week I'm is our first cadence week for QA
[17:39] <balloons> atm, you can report results here: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/246/builds/28425/testcases/1466/results
[17:39] <balloons> now, as we get more autopilot tests, etc.. we'll work out any kinks and tweak things to make reporting a bit better (or find it's not necessary)
[17:41] <jcastro_> cool
[17:41] <jcastro_> is there a key to the console output?
[17:41] <jcastro_> ...Sss.. and whatnot?
[17:42] <jcastro_> balloons: man dude, this is pretty awesome
[17:42] <balloons> jcastro_, some of the tests may fail..
[17:42] <balloons> in fact I'd be surprised if they didn't.. but they are working on getting them better up to snuff.. and you may find something quirky with your hardware
[18:37] <daker> unfortunately he didn't mention ubuntu http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/interviews/chatting-with-obama-for-americas-director-of-frontend-development-daniel-ryan/
[18:52] <jcastro_> balloons: hah, those tests are still running!
[18:52] <balloons> jcastro_, ohh yes
[18:52] <balloons> several hours it should take
[18:52] <jcastro_> !!!
[18:52] <balloons> :-p
[18:52] <jcastro_> does it autosubmit stuff at the end?
[18:52] <balloons> you can run a subset of the tests
[18:53] <balloons> jcastro_, right now, not, there's no autoreporting results
[18:53] <jcastro_> ah
[18:53] <jcastro_> because if it did, that would awesome, "going to bed, click." and then do no actual work on my end.
[18:53] <balloons> I want to push us there
[18:53] <balloons> yes, allow your pc to run tests overnight, etc
[19:15] <bkerensa> daker: I actually e-mailed Daniel Ryan to see about a interview discussing his teams work with Ubuntu for Obama for America
[20:08] <daker> bkerensa: nice :)
[20:34] <philipballew> Good afternoon
[20:34] <paultag> philipballew: Hi there. You emailed me, did you ever get around to following up?
[20:34] <paultag> philipballew: is there something I can do to help you along?
[20:37] <philipballew> paultag, yeah, I am reading those guides now actually
[20:37] <philipballew> wel not now literately, but this month. Sorry for not getting back to you yet. Was gonna email you after I read the guides and did a little on my own.
[20:38] <paultag> OK.
[20:38] <paultag> Let me know if you hit bumps. I'm only here by chance, I can't spend time getting after people :)
[20:38] <paultag> I'm happy to help, but you've got to email me back :)
[20:38] <philipballew> paultag, for sure. Whats the best way to ask you, or contact you?
[20:38] <philipballew> email, irc, twitter?
[20:39] <paultag> philipballew: if you swap IRC and email, in that order, yep!
[20:39] <paultag> if it's something that needs an email (like a pointer to the .dsc) I'd say to email me anyway.
[20:39] <philipballew> alright. sounds perfect paultag
[20:39] <paultag> righto!
[21:01] <jono> jcastro_, free for a quick chat in about 10mins?
[21:02] <jcastro_> yessir!
[21:02] <jono> jcastro_, cool :-)
[21:02] <jono> upgraded to 13.04, so just need to set up the G+ stuff
[21:03] <jcastro_> yeah, I did today too
[21:03] <jcastro_> didn't have much luck with it on the laptop
[21:10] <jono> jcastro_, sorry, nearly there
[21:10] <jono> had to dist-upgrade first
[21:10] <jcastro_> no worries
[21:12] <jono> man, I wonder what takes so long to verify when it installs the plugin
[21:12] <jono> it must be checking my social security number or something :-)
[21:12] <jcastro_> I am finding the launch time in general on hangouts is getting longer
[21:12] <jcastro_> like when you click on a link
[21:12] <jcastro_> it's like, what's it doing, stringing along the cable to his house from mine?
[21:13] <philipballew> more people are realizing it is much better the Skype.
[21:13] <jbicha> jcastro_: http://google.com/tisp/ :)
[21:14] <jono> yeah, this they are getting way slower
[21:14] <jcastro_> hah, that's awesome
[21:15] <jono> jbicha, lol
[21:15] <jono> man, for a second I was believing it
[21:15] <jono> and then I saw the toilet bit
[21:16] <jcastro_> hahah
[21:16] <jcastro_> the box on the toilet with the cable going into it
[21:16] <jcastro_> is <3
[21:17] <jono> jcastro_, this is taking ages, can we do Skype?
[21:17] <jbicha> awesome, I just April Fooled jono
[21:17] <jono> jbicha, :-)
[21:24] <jono> jcastro_, G+ invite sent
[21:25] <jcastro_> awww yeah!


[00:31] <mar77i> hello. hostname -a would show domain names as they are added to /etc/hosts in ubuntu 18.04. On 20.04 I still add `<IP_ADDRESS> thishost.mydomain.com thishost`, but hostname -a doesn't pick it up any longer?
[02:17] <pam21> test
[03:17] <dracolide> Hi. I'm planning to install a snap software of a production machine. Do snap packages still auto update?
[03:23] <leftyfb> dracolide: yes
[03:24] <morganu> HELPPPP! haha, using the Mate DE and the mic doesnt work and I cant see how to test it after I made it the webcam mic. (I have no clue what the default mic  would be) 20.04
[03:24] <morganu> Works on Gnome
[03:33] <morganu> also natural scrolling wanted
[03:51] <Znullptr> what is the best place to report a bug these days?   installer refuses to work if two disks have esp partition and the first isn't formatted to fat32 ; even if you explicitly mark it as DO NOT USE and the other is what was booted from
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> Znullptr: ubuntu-bug yourpackage, from terminal
[03:52] <Znullptr> ty
[03:52] <EriC^^> Znullptr: can you screenshot the error, sounds odd
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> Znullptr: adviced to state your issue in this channel first
[03:53] <Znullptr> that is the issue
[03:53] <Znullptr> can SS one sec
[03:53] <EriC^^> Znullptr: maybe at the bottom 'place to install bootloader' has the first disk?
[03:53] <EriC^^> ok
[03:55] <Znullptr> no it has the other drive set
[03:55] <Znullptr> what's the default hotkey for snip SS ?   or is there not one and just use printscr?
[03:55] <EriC^^> yup
[03:56] <Znullptr> text is `The attempt to mount a file system with type vfat in /dev/nvme0n1p1 at /boot/efi failed.
[03:56] <Znullptr> You may resume partitioning from the partitioning menu.`
[03:56] <EriC^^> shift+prntscrn
[03:56] <EriC^^> to snip
[03:56] <Znullptr> ty
[03:58] <Znullptr> https://imgur.com/a/uqeKP8m
[03:59] <Znullptr> https://imgur.com/a/7pLJ7XY
[04:00] <Znullptr> as you can see the drive is set to the one i'm installing to and the error remains the same
[04:00] <Znullptr> I can deal, but assumed i ought to report it
[04:01] <Znullptr> lol,  if i use ubuntu-bug and select installer i get an error too
[04:01] <Znullptr> Invalid problem report: Could not determine the package or source package name.
[04:02] <Znullptr> term says
[04:02] <Znullptr> "ERROR: symptom script /usr/share/apport/symptoms/installer.py did not determine the affected package
[04:02] <Znullptr> (apport-gtk:121794): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 23:01:54.025: gtk_main_quit: assertion 'main_loops != NULL' failed
[04:02] <Znullptr> <3  linux
[04:02] <EriC^^> you have to file it for ubiquity 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity'
[04:03] <EriC^^> Znullptr: im confused, in your 2nd SS it looks like there's one disk only?
[04:03] <Znullptr> how so?  it's just what is scrolled to
[04:03] <Znullptr> if this was discord and i could paste images it'd be easier
[04:04] <Znullptr> in any event ; i'll just format it manually and see if it ignores me and installs grub then , then i'll run grub install manually or just move the files and edit config if i must
[04:04] <Znullptr> just amusing
[04:05] <EriC^^> ok
[04:07] <Znullptr> wow
[04:07] <Znullptr> it was not to be https://imgur.com/a/Ex3ITrd
[04:11] <EriC^> yikes Znullptr
[04:11] <Znullptr> pretty much
[04:13] <noj> 'test' =)
[04:13] <Znullptr> gonna reboot and try again before i just debootstrap it or use another distro for the first time in half a decade
[04:13]  * Znullptr waves
[04:45] <morganu>  using the Mate DE and the mic doesnt work and I cant see how to test it after I made it the webcam mic. (I have no clue what the default mic  would be) 20.04 -- Works on Gnome
[04:46] <morganu> grrr.. must sleep now. will searchback on wake for any response
[04:54] <Znullptr> go it to install,  then added nv driver bc nouveau was horrid ... and first boot actually hung with primary screen set as a TV that was turned off ,  then fixed that and primary screen tinted heavily purple,  removed monitor profile : didn't work ,  changed to all blue profile and then back no none and it work.   I have to say,  much more
[04:54] <Znullptr> buggy than last time.
[05:01] <matsaman> nvidia isn't very reliable indeed
[08:15] <illia> hi morning everybody
[08:18] <illia> how about hacking anybody wants to discuss
[08:18] <ducasse> !ot
[10:00] <tuxinator> Any best practice out there, how to achieve downgrade/upgrade/fixed version capability by keeping old packages in a repo (our custom repo with our software) ?
[10:04] <ducasse> apt doesn't really support downgrades
[10:26] <tuxinator> ducasse: well you can install a specific version, so it does ;-) https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/02/how-to-downgrade-packages-to-specific.html
[10:26] <tuxinator> my question is more how to keep the old versions available in the repo while adding new ones
[10:27] <tuxinator> as now the olds disappear from list after adding the latest one
[10:27] <ducasse> tuxinator: what i mean it is not's supported behavior
[10:27] <tuxinator> apt install version= is not supported?
[10:27] <tuxinator> what are you talking about
[10:28] <tuxinator> back soon
[10:31] <ducasse> i was talking about downgrading from for example focal to bionic, sorry i misread you
[10:33] <ducasse> as for how a custom repo deals with old versions i've never tried, most stop serving them on an update
[11:25] <tuxinator> ducasse: ok, so just a misunderstanding :D
[13:24] <zeeshan> I am using ubuntu for 2 months. I am unable to open ubuntu center in 20.04
[13:28] <zeeshan> when I apply " sudo apt-get install software-center"    I receive this message
[13:28] <zeeshan> package software-center is not available, but is reffered to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[13:29] <Maik> software center is already installed by default and it's a snap package iirc
[13:30] <zeeshan> my ubuntu center Icon is present but not opening ubuntu center
[13:32] <zeeshan> Ubuntu Software not opening
[13:33] <Maik> should work
[13:33] <KBar> zeeshan: Ubuntu version?
[13:34] <zeeshan> 20.04
[13:35] <tomreyn> zeeshan: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1344650/cant-open-snap-store
[13:41] <marc__> Hi my machine startes up and when i type cat /proc/sys/vm/max_map_count it says 1048576 but in /etc/sysctl.conf i got vm.max_map_count=1073741824 so why isnt it setting the value in sysctl.conf
[13:42] <marc__> This is for DayZ the game seems to work better on the higher value
[13:42] <zeeshan> how  refresh updates in ubuntu 20.04
[13:42] <Maik> zeeshan: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[13:43] <KBar> zeeshan: click on "Activities" and type in "Help". It will open user guide. From there, you can search for "updates" and learn about it.
[13:45] <Maik> zeeshan: or simply use the software updater
[13:47] <marc__> its ok dont bother i just fixed the issue with vm.max_map_count
[13:47] <KBar> zeeshan: or just launch the "Software Updater" app.
[13:48] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:48] <Maik> KBar: i already kinda said that....
[13:51] <marc__> anyone know how to update the firmware on an nvme as i cant use corsairs ssd toolbox and i dont have ms windows
[13:51] <marc__> I fact i dont have the firmware neither even after arguing with corsair idiot support
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> marc__: not sure if that would work, perhaps running that toolbox over wine?
[14:11] <marc__> didnt work tried that already
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> samsung magician is also a no go, needs a win box
[14:45] <iomari891> greetings, How can I install mariadb 10.6.5 on ubuntu 21.10?
[15:01] <ducasse> !info mariadb-server
[15:03] <ducasse> iomari891: ^^ that is the supported version, if you want something newer you need to look for a third party repo
[15:36] <kristian_on_linu> hi
[15:38] <EriC^^> hello
[15:40] <KBar> kristian_on_linu: hello and welcome. How can we help you?
[15:50] <kristian_on_linu> can someone recommend an antivirus program that updates/runs automatically and has a GUI? ... and please don't tell me that I don't need it :)
[15:55] <marc__> Cant ever remember the last time i used anti virus i havent used it in 10 years lolz
[15:56] <marc__> didnt even run anti virus on windows 10 when i had it.
[15:57] <Maik> kristian_on_linu: you actually don't need a anti virus on Ubuntu or Linux in general, the reports are false positive anyway
[15:57] <kristian_on_linu> Maik, the that was really not the question
[15:58] <Maik> still it is as is
[15:58] <Maik> if you want a anti virus use clam-av
[15:58] <kristian_on_linu> Maik, you are wasting my time here
[15:59] <Maik> thanks for the compliment
[15:59] <Maik> kristian_on_linu: maybe ask in #linux
[16:01] <Maik> otherwise... search the web
[16:04] <webchat24> Hello all, i installed ubuntu server 20.04 LTS and  imported a SSH keys from Launchpad. i am a little bit lost how can i log in now without a password, what i have to change in ssh/sshd_config or how can i log with different accoutn with the ssh key pub
[16:04] <webchat24> If you have a video or tutorial where i can learn all this. thank you a lot and have a great day!
[16:05] <Maik> webchat24: nothing on youtube?
[16:05] <Maik> maybe try asking in #ubuntu-server
[16:07] <webchat24> There is a lot of video where they generate the key directly but i imported the key from Launchpad. I will check ubuntu server libera chat, thank you a lot! have a  nice day @Maik
[16:14] <ducasse> kristian_on_linu: there are a few commercial ones
[16:15] <ducasse> webchat24: have you got both the public and private key?
[16:16] <webchat24> i generated both of key with PuTTy on windows
[16:16] <webchat24> and imported the pub to the linux server
[16:16] <webchat24> is it better to delete this imported pub key and generate this pair on the server directly with ssh-keygen?
[16:17] <ducasse> if they're generated by putty you need to convert them to openssh format
[16:17] <ducasse> generate them on the client, copy the public key to "/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server
[16:19] <webchat24> Sorry i am a newbie, when you say "on the client", on the server with ssh-keygen?
[16:30] <ducasse> on the machine you are ssh'ing from
[16:32] <webchat24> Ok good thank you a lot ducasse!
[16:34] <webchat24> Have a great day all. bye
[18:13] <Metamorphosis> Hello. I'm having issues adding shortcuts for keyboard layout switching in Gnome 40. How can I use shift + Alt for layout change?
[18:29] <ioria> Metamorphosis, https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/mo9q18/gnome_40_switch_input_source/
[20:31] <morganu> anyone familiar with mate?
[20:32] <greenerthanyou> anyone familiar with mate?
[20:33] <greenerthanyou> using the Mate DE and the mic doesnt work and I cant see how to test it after I made it the webcam mic. (I have no clue what the default mic  would be) 20.04 -- Works on Gnome
[20:36] <liveacoustic> exit
[20:38] <shepherd_> Hi guys, trying to get audio with my LG C1 and RTX 3080. Seems as soon as I switch to 120hz the audio shuts off. If I go back to 60hz it starts playing again. Any suggestions?
[20:45] <shepherd_> Looks like I got it. I had to install nvidia drivers from the nvidia website, they are newer.
[20:47] <matsaman> shepherd_: gj
[21:15] <Anf> Hello to all. I am currently setting up a new backup on a new HDD and have always used borg backup before. But now I've heard about Restic and have taken a closer look at the tool. Can't decide between the two now? Are there advantages and disadvantages? I only use Linux and I don't need any compression.
[21:18] <matsaman> Anf: I've always felt rdiff-backup got all the implementation details right for end usage
[21:19] <matsaman> and if you don't need incremental backups, then rsync is already enough
[21:19] <matsaman> and if you need to be able to restore extra rapidly, you'll want something more like FS snapshots
[21:21] <Anf> I was already going to implement it incrementally. So a repository and shnapshots. Both tools, restic and borg, can do this
[21:29] <matsaman> I don't really understand why they make you init
[21:29] <matsaman> rdiff-backup is so simple: rdiff-backup origin/ destination/
[21:30] <matsaman> I don't really want encryption in a backup tool, either. I can do that separately
[21:31] <matsaman> but if we just compare borgbackup & restic...
[21:31] <matsaman> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20147298
[21:32] <matsaman> doesn't seem like they're tremendously different
[21:32] <matsaman> restic is in Go?
[21:32] <matsaman> so honestly I might think borg, in python, will last longer
[21:33] <Anf> Yes, restic is in Go and borg in Phython
[21:33] <matsaman> but they'll probably both be replaced by the time either go or python go out of fashion
[21:34] <matsaman> this looks like a nice comparison: https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-05-21-borg-vs-restic.html
[21:34] <matsaman> still not that different, though
[21:34] <matsaman> if those differences don't matter to you, I would say pick your favorite between go & python
[21:34] <matsaman> you may well find yourself wanting to modify it at some point
[21:37] <Anf> matsaman Thank you so much.
[21:38] <matsaman> the licensing is also similar, so I didn't mention that, but one should consider licensing also
[21:49] <greenerthanyou> ok I asked about supported Ubuntu flavors so I wouldnt be orphaned here but I see that that was not true. Ask a mate question and there is just deep silence. "Oh, pickles!"
[21:56] <Guest_666> hi 4 all
[22:50] <hans> `apt purge unattended-upgrades` does not stop unattended-upgrades, looks like a bug
[22:51] <hans> like you can still see unattended-upgrades running in htop
[22:52] <tomreyn> did you run apt with sudo, did it succeed?
[22:53] <tomreyn> which state does the task have in htop?
[22:54] <tomreyn> does "dpkg -S unattended-upgrades" still list a package providing it?
[22:54] <hans> i ssh'ed into there with root, so i didn't actually use sudo
[22:54] <hans> sorry can't check the state, i SIGTERM'ed it
[22:55] <hans> dpkg -S unattended-upgrades \n language-pack-en: /usr/share/locale-langpack/en_AU/LC_MESSAGES/unattended-upgrades.mo \n language-pack-en: /usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/unattended-upgrades.mo \n language-pack-en: /usr/share/locale-langpack/en_CA/LC_MESSAGES/unattended-upgrades.mo
[22:55] <tomreyn> hmm, working as root - is this actually ubuntu then? if so, which release?
[22:55] <hans> oh, it's 18.04
[22:55] <hans> is 18.04 still maintained?
[22:56] <tomreyn> yes, it is for main and restricted components
[22:57] <tomreyn> for another year
[22:59] <tomreyn> there seems to be no dpkg managed package installed that still provides an unattended-upgrades command, though
[22:59] <jhutchins> I was never clear whether delete/purge actually killed a running process.
[22:59] <hans> tomreyn: i never started that program manually. i think its just started automatically after installation
[23:00] <leftyfb> it does
[23:01] <leftyfb> and no, most programs do not die when uninstalling them. You either need to stop them (preferably before removing) or reboot
[23:05] <tomreyn> there will be /lib/systemd/system/apt-daily-upgrade.timer and /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily
[23:05] <tomreyn> and a loaded timer + service unit
[23:10] <hans> leftyfb: that's weird. hard to imagine a situation where  you -want- a deleted program to keep running post deletion
[23:10] <leftyfb> kernels
[23:10] <rdr> i have had that before
[23:10] <rdr> like when i was running GNOME but uninstalled it to get KDE
[23:10] <rdr> it would suck if it just killed the session halfway through apt doign stuff
[23:10] <leftyfb> and yes, people will remove things like web server packages while the web server still runs
[23:17] <Aavar> I created a new zfs storage pool for lxc "lxc storage create default2 zfs size=200GiB", but how can I tell my VM to use it?
[23:17] <rdr> would depend on what vm software you're using?
[23:19] <rdr> this is how you do it using QEMU, for example: https://libvirt.org/storage.html#StorageBackendZFS
[23:19] <Aavar> rdr: lxc
[23:20] <rdr> have you checked out this blog? https://stanislas.blog/2018/02/lxc-zfs-pool-lxd/  I haven't heard of lxc before this so I'm not sure
[23:23] <leftyfb> Aavar: try #lxc
[23:23] <Aavar> leftyfb: I did. No answer. Tnx anyway :) I going to sleep
[23:23] <leftyfb> Aavar: wait longer. That is a proper place to get support with lxc
[23:26] <Croran> what kinds of settings should i expect to lose if i delete my dconf 'user' configuration file?
[23:27] <rdr> what desktop you running?
[23:27] <rdr> you can look at dconf-editor (a program) and all that stuff will be removed and reset to the defaults
[23:27] <rdr> stuff like your monitor layout, gnome extensions, background, etc
[23:27] <rdr> your file bookmarks are in a different file I think
[23:30] <oerheks>  dconf 'user' configuration file? such does not exist like in windows, dconf handles a lot of files and settings
[23:34] <rdr> i think he's referring to ~/.config/dconf
[23:34] <oerheks> oh, that settings file
[23:52] <Croran> I'm running unity desktop
[23:53] <Croran> ok. that stuff sounds pretty easy to reconfigure
[23:53] <Croran> I'm just getting some log messages about compiq sqlite errors
[23:53] <Croran> so i'm thinking deleting that file may resolve them
[23:53] <Croran> compiz*
[23:57] <RootDet> Anybody have experience with transcoding in ubuntu? I have a fresh 20.04 LTS install, but no /dev/dri, dispite having a supproted CPU.