[00:27] <xero> hey room
[00:28] <xero> anyone know what the sound is scratchy with kbuntu? with spotify
[08:13] <pile> test
[08:13] <philreck> yooo linux
[08:13] <arraybolt3> pile: o/
[08:13]  * arraybolt3 goes to bed
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:38] <tuxinator> Hi
[14:08] <Quaz823> a
[14:08] <Quaz823> hiii guys
[14:08] <Quaz823> Does anyone know if Konsole has support for background images?
[14:08] <Quaz823> or a good plugin to add it? (I think it supports plugins)
[19:34] <cbreak> I like kitty term, it can be transparent, so your desktop wallpaper will be visible


[01:28] <uman> Hello. I have a patch that fixes a minor bug in the software-properties-gtk package. How can I contribute it?
[01:29] <arraybolt3[m]> uman: Is it intended for the development release or for an existing, stable release?
[01:30] <uman> I suppose the development release.
[01:30] <arraybolt3[m]> uman: Either way, the first thing to do (if you've not done so already) is to get a debdiff of the patch.
[01:30] <arraybolt3[m]> uman: Make sure to build a deb with the patch yourself and test it on the latest development release to ensure it works (if you've not already done that).
[01:31] <arraybolt3[m]> uman: Then you'd probably need to ask for a sponsor, which I believe there's a mailing list for, though I'm willing to bet you can find someone to sponsor your patch into the archives right here.
[01:32] <uman> OK, thanks for the info.
[01:32] <arraybolt3[m]> uman: If there's any changes that need made first, they'll tell you, and once everything looks good they'll upload it and it will become part of Ubuntu.
[01:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Happy to help out! In case you need it, I'll put a link where you can download the latest development release.
[01:32] <arraybolt3[m]> uman: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[01:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Thank you for your help in assisting us with the Ubuntu project!
[01:33] <uman> I am already running latest Kinetic
[01:34] <uman> ok, I will make a debdiff tomorrow and submit it
[01:36] <arraybolt3[m]> uman: Also, for more info about getting a patch sponsored: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[04:31] <Unit193> mapreri: Oh wow, core dev!  Congrats!
[08:06] <luis220413> Feature Freeze is approaching and I would like to get bug 1979893 fixed before Feature Freeze (because Varnish 7.x is a major release with many new features).
[08:13] <luis220413> The linked Debian bugs have not been responded to since June 26. I believe the libvmod-re2 source package should be removed from the Ubuntu archive and varnish-modules should not be built on armhf, or the test failures addressed or ignored.
[08:13] <luis220413> ... on that architecture
[08:16] <luis220413> See the bug for the rationale
[08:18] <luis220413> s/7.x/7.1.0/ ... new features compared with 6.6.1-1
[11:39] <luis220413> I am back. Moving this to #ubuntu-release.
[13:36] <luis220413> I will be back in 1 hour but remain online.
[13:59] <luis220413> I am back.
[19:53] <luis220413> When should I discuss my SRU for openconnect (bug 1969734)? This is a fatal bug for users of a significant portion of GlobalProtect VPNs (simply it does not connect) but it does not have enough priority to go into 22.04.1 (to be released on August 11).
[19:53] <luis220413> I can discuss anywhere from 04:30 to 21:00 UTC.
[19:54] <luis220413> On any date before September 17
[19:54] <luis220413> *18
[19:58] <luis220413> For an SRU vanguard to get it into jammy-proposed.
[19:59] <luis220413> I will return in 15 minutes but remain online.
[20:07] <luis220413> I am back.
[20:22] <jbicha> luis220413: could you wait at least a few days before reminding us about your SRU again? Not trying to be rude, but we've heard your request
[20:58] <luis220413> jbicha: Yes. I will remind you on August 17 to take the next step (move to jammy-proposed or to jammy-updates).
[20:59] <luis220413> If they are not both done, of course
[21:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> !guidelines | luis220413 Please see this, particularly the part about "Time to ask", "Don't repeat your question every few minutes" (don't take minutes literally that can be hours), and "Don't be annoying".
[21:51] <luis220413> Eickmeyer[m]: OK
[22:06] <Unit193> mapreri: OK, popped them into -backports, waiting on approval.
[23:26] <mwhudson> Depends: libc6 (>> 2.36), libc6 (<< 2.36)
[23:26] <mwhudson> oops
[23:28] <sarnold> heh
[23:29] <Unit193> Haha. :D


[00:20] <fagan> hey im trying to test out the nouveu driver and xorg is saying its not configured properly, I ran Xorg -configure but it looks like its not doing anything
[00:20] <fagan> Im on lucid by the way
[00:21] <fagan> I think it may have something to do with residual config from the nvidia driver
[00:21] <fagan> Anyone have any ideas?
[00:23] <RAOF> fagan: How are you trying nouveau?
[00:24] <RAOF> Because the version in the archives currently isn't expected to work, pending some kernel-team decision about how to get nouveau.ko in our kernel build.
[00:24] <fagan> RAOF: Im using it from the nouveau ppa
[00:25] <fagan> The one from the archive works though
[00:25] <fagan> on my machine
[00:25] <RAOF> Really?  It doesn't build against 2.6.32 kernels, though.
[00:25] <fagan> hmmmm I just installed it rebooted and it worked
[00:25] <fagan> dont ask me how
[00:26] <fagan> its definitly not the nv driver
[00:26] <fagan> That sucked on my hardware
[00:26] <RAOF> Its possible that you've got nouveau-kernel-source from the nouveau ppa and the DDX from lucid, I guess.
[00:27] <fagan> I did install the -source package so thats it :)
[00:27] <fagan> RAOF: so any ideas why im running safe graphics mode?
[00:27] <fagan> It hung when I did a -configire
[00:27] <RAOF> No idea, no.
[00:27] <fagan> -configure
[00:28] <fagan> hmmm
[00:28] <fagan> any other things I can try?
[00:28] <RAOF> What's in your xorg.conf?
[00:29] <fagan> the nvidia config
[00:29] <fagan> which caused the problem I think
[00:29] <RAOF> Well, yes.  Can you pastebin your xorg.conf?
[00:29] <fagan> damn I just rm'd it
[00:30] <fagan> sorry
[00:30] <RAOF> That's OK.
[00:30] <RAOF> All it wants is "Section "driver" Identifier "nouveau" Driver "nouveau" EndSection" in it.
[00:30] <fagan> oh ok then ill give it a go
[00:31] <fagan> be back in 5
[00:35] <notlistening> A bit later and there is no difference in the cpu usage on that machine with all the extras that i installed so there must be something different between the hardware more than just CPU and GPU
[01:00] <fagan> that didnt work anyway
[01:01] <fagan> so im going to go back to the nvidia driver
[01:02] <fagan> the conflict is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/337674/
[01:02] <fagan> The xorg update conflicts with nvidia's driver
[01:02] <RAOF> Yes it does.
[01:03] <fagan> so what do I do?
[01:03] <RAOF> Not use the nvidia driver in Lucid.
[01:04] <fagan> That isnt a solution because my computer looks very crap without it
[01:04] <RAOF> Beacuse it won't work.  IIUC, we need a newer nvidia driver, one that will actually work against xserver 1.7
[01:05] <RAOF> fagan: Not use Lucid?  The proprietary drivers are frequently, and often long-term broken in development.
[01:05] <fagan> I tried the 190 driver with no luck
[01:05] <fagan> hmmmmm
[01:05]  * fagan thinks maybe rolling back to an older version of xorg will help him
[01:06] <RAOF> Yes, it might.  If you can :)
[01:08] <fagan> Or maybe a newer one
[01:08] <RAOF> Well, that won't work, because the nvidia driver won't work against it.
[01:09] <fagan> Ah ill see what I can do
[01:10] <fagan> Dont ask me how but the ppa for the xorg team worked
[01:11] <fagan> no conflict no nothing https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[01:11] <Sarvatt> 185.18.36 worked for you with that?
[01:11] <fagan> 190
[01:11] <Sarvatt> oh ok
[01:12] <fagan> Awesomeness
[01:15] <Sarvatt> i couldnt find a 190 in a ppa that wasnt really borked when i looked at the stuff in debian/ and one screwed up being able to downgrade back, ended up just manually installing it from nvidia for now
[01:16] <fagan> Nope spoke too soon got killed at the end of installation
[01:17] <fagan> damn it
[01:17] <Sarvatt> i had a ton of dangling alternatives from the bad packages
[01:17] <fagan> im just going to get the one from nvidia themselves
[01:18] <Sarvatt> 195.22 manually installed is working great with edgers here
[01:19] <fagan> got to exit the session to install it brb
[01:27] <fagan> that worked well
[01:28] <fagan> x and nvidia now play nice
[01:28] <fagan> why are the packages so bad then?
[01:29] <fagan> If the nvidia driver works why dont we just package that up that?
[01:32] <Sarvatt> tseliot is working on it
[01:32] <fagan> thank god
[01:54] <notlistening> Can i come back to my original question, aobut the amount of CPU i am using for a video, can the frame buffer in the bios make a big difference or the amount of RAM a system has to use?
[01:55] <Sarvatt> nvidia gpu acceleration requires either 128 or 256mb last i checked
[01:56] <Sarvatt> cant remember which, i think its 256
[01:56] <fagan> mine has 512
[01:58] <Sarvatt> if you are using xbmc, i know i saw a good guide on using gpu acceleration on an ion board in ubuntu on their forums
[01:59] <Sarvatt> http://blog.xbmc.org/forum/tags.php?tag=ion
[01:59] <notlistening> the bios limits me to 256 at the moment as i only have a 1 gb a the moment
[02:01] <notlistening> Thanks Sarvatt
[02:04] <Sarvatt> gotta be a vdpau thread out there somewhere that'll explain how to make it work, you would know if its working because you'd be getting closer to 10% cpu usage than the 80%
[02:49] <Sarvatt> ewwww http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2009-December/004029.html
[06:40] <LLStarks> whois keybuk
[06:40] <LLStarks> damn
[07:38] <RAOF> Hm.  X seems unusually slow, and seems to be spending a lot of time in i915_gem_throttle_ioctl.  Is this something others are seeing?
[07:45] <LLStarks> how would i know?
[07:45] <LLStarks> jeez, that sounded rude.
[07:50] <RAOF> You'd know if X was being extremely laggy for you, you had an intel card, and ran gnome-system-monitor and saw X waiting for i915_gem_throttle_ioctl :)
[07:56] <tjaalton> feels quite normal here
[07:59] <RAOF> Oh, wow.  ubuntu-desktop's new libgtk kills emacs!
[08:59] <tjaalton> heh, funny.. we ship a cirrus driver with patches to support qemu, and then in xserver a patch that uses vesa for the hw id
[09:22] <tjaalton> nevermind, it depends on what type kvm is using
[09:22] <tjaalton> "std" want's mesa
[09:22] <tjaalton> urgh, vesa
[09:22] <tjaalton> s/'//
[09:24] <tjaalton> that should be upstreamed
[09:34] <tjaalton> mvo: does update-manager always run dist-upgrade, ie. remove packages when there are conflicts during the devel release?
[09:36] <mvo> tjaalton: sort of, by default it does not do this, but it will prompt for "partial upgrade" mode if it has to remove stuff and tries to be clever
[09:37] <tjaalton> mvo: ok, thanks
[09:38] <mvo> why? anything that it should do to make transitions better or something?
[09:39] <tjaalton> nah, there was just one user who claims that lucid->lucid upgrade broke everything without prompting
[09:39] <tjaalton> and I don't believe him :)
[09:39] <tjaalton> the result was that it removed all the drivers
[09:39] <tjaalton> so the system didn't get X
[09:40] <mvo> not without prompting :)
[09:41] <mvo> if he used update-manager we should have logs too
[09:41] <tseliot> tjaalton: what's the status of input drivers in lucid? An AMD engineer reported that xserver-xorg-core is not installable. Was it just because of synaptics?
[09:41] <tjaalton> yes, but I won't bother.. told him to install video-all
[09:41] <tjaalton> tseliot: no, check the mirror
[09:41] <tjaalton> at least the images build
[09:42] <tjaalton> tseliot: also, the current synaptics doesn't have your patch in it, had to upload it to make it installable
[09:42] <tjaalton> but I'll add it now
[09:42] <tseliot> ok, thanks
[09:45]  * tseliot forgot about having a lucid chroot already
[09:45] <tseliot> xserver-xorg-core was installed correctly here
[09:46] <tjaalton> if he's using fglrx, it'll get removed
[09:46] <tjaalton> only the OSS drivers work
[10:01] <tseliot> ok
[10:03] <hyperair> does anyone here using the nvidia-96 driver have issues with screen flickering?
[17:00] <tseliot> federico1: hey, do you have a few minutes to discuss new features (one of which is more of a fix) for g-s-d and g-d?
[17:02] <tseliot> otherwise I can file 2 bug reports and we'll discuss there
[17:21] <federico1> tseliot: sure, what's up?
[17:22] <tseliot> federico1: the 1st feature is support for transformations
[17:22] <federico1> tseliot: BTW, I'm going to start integrating some of the Moblin patches for RANDR stuff
[17:22] <tseliot> mainly scaling
[17:22] <federico1> ah!
[17:22] <federico1> there *is* a patch for that :)
[17:22] <tseliot> federico1: really?
[17:22] <tseliot> I'm working on Moblin too
[17:23] <federico1> I just haven't looked at it closely
[17:23] <tseliot> federico1: can you give me the link, please?
[17:28] <tseliot> federico1: I can't find it in the Moblin 2.1 sources
[17:29] <tseliot> federico1: anyway the 2nd feature is, put simply, that we check GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE in addition to the max framebuffer size
[17:30] <tseliot> i.e. that we check the 3D limitations in addition to the 2D limitations
[17:31] <tseliot> for example on i945 chips you can have 2D up to 4096x4096 and 3D up to 2048x2048
[17:32] <tseliot> and if you go beyond the 3D limit when using a compositing manager you get a black screen
[17:34] <tseliot> therefore we should not validate modes that go beyond that when using, say, mutter (in Moblin)
[17:46] <federico1> tseliot: makes sense
[17:47] <federico1> tseliot: so, I don't know much about GL.  Is the texture size limit just for textures, or does it involve the whole screen?  I.e. could a smarter compositing manager simply create two textures for too-wide windows (or something like that?)
[17:48] <tseliot> federico1: it's the area in which you get 3d acceleration
[17:49] <tseliot> I have a bug report about it
[17:49] <tseliot> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23718
[17:51] <tseliot> I've written a patch to access max texture size but I haven't tested it yet. I'll file a bug report and attach it there soon
[17:51]  * tseliot -> dinner
[23:00] <Amaranth> so, my mouse keeps jumping to the center of the screen now... :/
[23:04] <Amaranth> federico1: btw, while a compositing manager could split the screen into smaller chunks to work around the texture size limit the only way to do so is to not use GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap at all
[23:05] <Amaranth> the other way of doing OpenGL compositing is...slow


[00:07] <basketball> holstein,  or Pici  how do i sync the caps indicator on the keyboard between usb keyboard and laptop keyboard
[00:17] <phillw> basketball: if you hang around long enough for an answer, we did have a play a little earlier... there is some good news and some bad news.
[00:19] <phillw> the bad news is that the devices seem to have it 'hard wired' into them as to what state they are in as, for example, an USB keyboard would need to send the computer the ASCII code for A when you have Caps / Shift in use, as opposed to a.
[00:21] <phillw> the good news? So, I guess the answer is to add Keyboard LED settings to your task bar, as it reports correctly which ever keyboard sets caps / num lock :)
[00:22] <wxl> basketball: ↑
[00:22] <phillw> mine is to far right of my task bar (it can also handle scroll lock).
[00:23] <basketball> phillw, i had to install new irc client
[00:23] <basketball> how do i do that
[00:23] <phillw> basketball: if you run 14.04 it is an option... I never saw it in 13.10, but someone here should be able to say if it was on there.
[00:24] <basketball> 13.10
[00:24] <wxl> i'm pretty sure it's
[00:24] <wxl>  there
[00:25] <wxl> i don't have it in front of me but i've come across it before
[00:25] <wxl> just right click on the "system tray" and edit settings basketball
[00:25] <phillw> wxl: is Keyboard LED Settings in the 13.10 task bar... I've had a tidy up so only have 14.04
[00:25] <basketball> wxl,  where is the system tray
[00:26] <wxl> basketball: bottom right
[00:26] <wxl> phillw: not in front of me
[00:33] <phillw> basketball: it is the menu bar... right click on a part of it that is empty and you will see 'Add / Remove Panel Items' then click on the tab 'Panel Applets'. from there you can add new applets to the bar. Where you place KeyBoard LED is up to you...
[00:34] <phillw> I have mine on the far right, after my CPU monitor, CPU temp, clock :)
[00:36] <phillw> basketball:  what is piglet up to department goes on the right for me... you can choose how that bar is set up... one of the many beauties of the bar... put it where you want, put on it what you and in what order :)
[00:39] <phillw> basketball: http://imagebin.org/297468
[01:14] <basketball> phillw, how do i do that in ubuntu
[01:15] <wxl> basketball: join #ubuntu for help with that
[01:15] <basketball> wxl what can i google
[01:16] <wxl> basketball: you can google how do i join #ubuntu so i can ask them how to do something :)
[01:16] <wxl> basketball: you'll find that in general ubuntu folks don't use lubuntu and vice versa. so point your questions in the right direction.
[01:16] <basketball> i have aske so many times there no one answers in there
[01:17] <wxl> basketball: so you either left before someone answered or no one knows. alternately, you can use askubuntu or the ubuntu forum
[01:18] <basketball> what is this called the syncing the lights
[01:20] <wxl> basketball: syncronizing the caps lock status of your two keyboards, which is what you asked about
[01:22] <basketball> thanks
[01:33] <basketball> wxl,  still no one has answered
[01:33] <wxl> basketball: still, i can't help you, and it's unlikely that anywhere here can. asking us to help isn't going to change that fact. again i recommend askubuntu or the ubuntu forum.
[01:45] <ianorlin> I had that problem with with vm once that it was backwards
[01:50] <basketball> http://askubuntu.com/questions/430110/two-keyboards-in-ubuntu-13-10
[08:39] <Aiena3> How do i install Apche alone on lubuntu ?
[08:40] <Aiena3> there are seceral packages and ia am confused as to what i need
[08:40] <Aiena3> *several Apache
[08:42] <Unit193> apache2 has the config and init scripts, -bin is the actual bins and modules.
[08:44] <Aiena3> Unit193, so only those 2 are needed for a basic website
[08:44] <Aiena3> I was just setting one up locally for practice
[08:44] <Aiena3> so this wont be linked to the net
[08:44] <Unit193> apache2 will install -bins.
[08:44] <Aiena3> Ok
[08:44] <Unit193> I'd think apache2 would be the one to install...
[08:44] <Aiena3> let me try
[08:45] <Aiena3> ypour right Unit193
[08:45] <Aiena3> thanks
[08:46] <Aiena3> Unit193, why does apache give a warning "Not authenticated" ?
[08:46] <Aiena3> *apache2
[08:46] <Unit193> Where?
[08:46] <Aiena3> one sec
[08:47] <Aiena3> how do I add printscreen functionality to lubuntu
[08:47] <Aiena3> I can't show you a screen grab
[08:48] <Unit193> It uses `scrot` by default, placing a file in ~/
[08:56] <Aiena3> one sec
[08:57] <Aiena3> its there but not working as expected so reinstalling
[08:58] <Aiena3> hnn mo problems now
[08:58] <Aiena3> its showing the ubuntu logo next to it now
[08:58] <Aiena3> seems ok
[09:00] <Aiena3> thanks Unit193
[09:00] <Aiena3> Bye
[11:51] <b1zz4rr0n3> hi everybody.
[11:51] <b1zz4rr0n3> is there a fast metod to create desktop icon and rename it like on genome?
[11:51] <b1zz4rr0n3> like on gnome-classic I mean
[14:17] <leszek> hi
[16:53] <cy3g2> Lubuntu installer is broken. I told it not to download updates while installing (because I just wanted to try it out in VirtualBox) but it downloaded them anyway.
[16:59] <cy3g2> PCmanFM appears to be broken. Crashes the second time I used it.
[17:03] <cy3g2> I really do like the artwork though. But PCManFM crashes when browsing network files. A simple "network timeout" error would be nice, instead of crashing.
[17:14] <Meerkat> which version?
[17:16] <cy3g2> Meerkat: Latest.
[17:16] <Meerkat> 13.10?
[17:17] <cy3g2> Yes. Even effing Chromium on LinuxMint crashes if it can't reach a remote host. I guess this is now becoming the trend instead of showing a "timeout error".
[17:20] <Meerkat> yea, plenty of crashes. :(
[17:20] <Meerkat> 14.04 crashes if you don't auth quick enough when updating
[18:37] <koell> does pcmanfm also hide folders with .hidden files?
[18:38] <Meerkat> koell, do you mean files with dots in front?
[18:38] <Meerkat> like .mypornstash
[18:39] <koell> Meerkat: i would like to hide folders without dots in front, but to declare them in a .hidden file
[18:47] <koell> i may try spaceFM :)
[19:31] <ianorlin> do other folders depend on that file being there?
[19:42] <koell> ianorlin: it is the public_html folder. the reason i like to hide it is to keep my home directory "clean"
[19:42] <koell> but it is maybe a better idea to use the /var/www folder and add myself to www-data
[19:44] <wxl> koell: either way should work but i prefer the /var/www solution
[19:45] <koell> wxl: do u use suphp or how did u solve the writing permission for both, php and user?
[19:45] <wxl> koell: you assume i have a need for php ;)
[19:45] <koell> wxl: or at least apache .9
[19:46] <wxl> koell: ew apache, i prefer nginx
[19:46] <koell> wxl: does it have the same dir in /var/www?
[19:46] <wxl> koell: like every other webserver, it can do whatever you want
[19:46] <koell> sure :)
[19:46] <koell> but i prefer default settings
[19:47] <wxl> of course, but some default settings are security-minded (good) and others are convienence-minded (bad) so i always review and tailor default settings to my own likings
[19:47] <wxl> i'd say that's especially something you should do with any outward facing services
[20:27] <trickyhero> anynews on fixing firefox?
[20:29] <Meerkat> fixing it how?
[20:30] <trickyhero> on 14.04 it dosn't run
[20:31] <wxl> phillw mentioned this the other day but i don't remember the bug number
[20:31] <trickyhero> just wondering, it's fine I'm using chromium
[20:31] <wxl> more better trickyhero :)
[20:31] <wxl> this is the beast i believe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1278062
[20:32] <phillw> wxl: indeed
[20:32] <wxl> specific to the lubuntu session
[20:32] <phillw> afaik,. Julien is looking into it.
[20:32] <wxl> works in openbox session, if you want a workaround, trickyhero
[20:32] <trickyhero> mine never works *shrug
[20:32] <trickyhero> ah
[20:33] <phillw> trickyhero:  use gksudo firefox... it is a dirty hack, but will not break things for when it does get fixed.
[20:33] <trickyhero> hmm, yeah I'm fine with chromium anyways, I just was curious, love this distro
[20:33] <Meerkat> oh my god. It doesn't. :o
[20:33] <wxl> trickyhero: if you want to know what's going on with it, subscribe to the bug
[20:33] <wxl> gksudo firefox?!
[20:33] <wxl> omg, phillw, i cannot believe you are honestly recommending that.
[20:33] <phillw> yeah, I still have chromium from 13.10 on my machine
[20:33] <wxl> at that point you might as well suggest unprotected casual sex!
[20:33] <phillw> wxl: just do NOT do sudo firefox... you WILL break it!
[20:34] <phillw> wxl: it is not just ffox that is borked.... this is a fairly nasty bug :(
[20:34] <wxl> wow, weird
[20:35] <wxl> i'm still pissed about this avahi problem i'm having. i should upgrade to 14.04 and see if it helps.
[20:37] <phillw> wxl: If you do an upgrade, you will keep chromium as a browser.
[20:38] <Meerkat> any news on if Lubuntu 14.04 will be LTS?
[20:38] <wxl> phillw: i like chromium. in fact, i've kind of taken to installing chrome.
[20:38] <phillw> Meerkat: 14.04 will be lts
[20:38] <Meerkat> :o
[20:38] <Meerkat> 3 or 5 years?
[20:39] <wxl> isn't everything on the same lts schedule now?
[20:39]  * wxl wonders about kubuntu
[20:39] <Meerkat> now i am happy. i can go back to lubuntu =)
[20:40] <phillw> Meerkat: April 2019 is the EoL for 14.04
[20:41] <phillw> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Ubuntu_14.04_LTS_.28Trusty_Tahr.29
[20:42] <Meerkat> phillw, it doesn't say anything about lubuntu.
[20:43] <phillw> Meerkat: lubuntu 14.04 is lts :)
[20:44] <phillw> Meerkat: the musings of 14.04 and onwards are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/14.04
[21:43] <Meerkat> sweet. lubuntu is really light-weight
[21:44] <Meerkat> I opened all programs in the menus and my 14.04 VM currently uses 34% cpu of the single core I gave it and 794 mb of 994mb.
[21:45] <holstein> all programs?
[21:45] <holstein> oh.. you mean, you clicked on all the icons?.. as a stress test?
[21:50] <Meerkat> ya
[21:50] <Meerkat> 102 processes running
[23:06] <basketballl> how do i set up altgr
[23:21] <ianorlin> join #ubuntu-us-ca


[01:31] <kalosaurusrex1> Can someone please either tell me how to remove a bug watch, or remove the bug watch for this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hplip/+bug/49102 thanks.
[01:31] <kalosaurusrex1> it wont let me close it, which I'd like to do.
[01:32] <Hobbsee> hmm.  You can change it
[01:32] <Hobbsee> i don't think you can close it though
[01:32] <beuno> kalosaurusrex1, have you tried clicking on the edit button on the right portlet?
[01:32] <beuno> and maybe leaving the UR: blank?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> beuno: doesn't work.
[01:32] <kalosaurusrex1> yeah i tried that, and it gave me an error.
[01:32] <beuno> ah
[01:33] <kalosaurusrex1> darn thing. lol
[01:33] <beuno> sounds like a bug to me
[01:33] <Hobbsee> beuno: that would be https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/91768
[01:33] <kalosaurusrex1> okay I'll file a bug then?
[01:33] <kalosaurusrex1> oh
[01:34] <Hobbsee> and bug 3140, which shows how long it's been around.
[01:34] <kiko-zzz> it's not bug 3140.
[01:34] <kiko-zzz> it's a different bug.
[01:34] <Hobbsee> oh, hmm.  maybe it isn't
[01:34] <beuno> ah
[01:35]  * Hobbsee wonders how it's a different bug.
[01:35] <kiko-zzz> the bug is that hplip was marked as not-using-LP, the bug watch was added, and then it was marked as using-LP-officially.
[01:35] <Hobbsee> oh, right
[01:36] <Hobbsee> oh, that bugwatch.  I guessed it was the other bugwatch, for some reason.
[01:36] <kiko-zzz> and you can remove bugwatches
[01:36] <Hobbsee> how?
[01:36] <kiko-zzz> by editing them and saying "delete"
[01:36] <kiko-zzz> kalosaurusrex1, beuno: it's fixed.
[01:37] <kalosaurusrex1> so should I do something more? lol
[01:37] <kalosaurusrex1> okay great thanks guys :)
[01:37] <kiko-zzz> kalosaurusrex1, you can file a bug, though it's a corner case that might not be worth considering since it's so easy to work around.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> ah.  'delete'.  I didn't guess that.
[01:37] <kiko-zzz> Hobbsee, it needs to be unlinked from a bugtask though. that is mysterious.
[01:37] <kiko-zzz> anyway, truly zzzing.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> kiko-zzz: ahhh.
[01:37] <kalosaurusrex1> kiko-zzz: okay that's cool
[01:37] <beuno> kiko-zzz, night
[01:38] <kiko-zzz> kalosaurusrex1, you can mark the HPLIP bug as invalid or whatever now, too since it's not really your bug, right :)
[01:38] <kalosaurusrex1> yeah thanks :)
[01:39] <kalosaurusrex1> thanks you guys!
[03:35] <wgrant> spm: That guy from yesterday seems to have another account now...
[03:35] <spm> wgrant: which account this time? I was zotting another late last night
[03:36] <wgrant> spm: rutadeevacuacion
[03:36] <wgrant> Note the display name is the same email address.
[03:36] <wgrant> Though I'm not sure how the old account had its display name changed, when it was deactivated...
[03:39] <spm> wgrant: is a different account - same person by implication
[03:40] <wgrant> spm: I mean the old maurizio-live account now has an email address as the display name. It didn't 24 hours ago.
[03:40] <spm> wgrant: Now if *I* was karma whoring; I'd insist you create a Question before I disabled anything ;-)
[03:41] <wgrant> Heh.
[03:41] <spm> Ah I see what you mean. Interesting.
[03:44] <wgrant> At least it's not as bad as that time where the account wouldn't stay dead.
[03:45] <spm> :-)
[04:36] <NCommander> hey wgrant
[06:32] <NCommander> So who can I complain about openid to
[06:48] <persia> NCommander, Currently, nobody is at the complaints reception desk.  You'd do better to either describe the specific issue here, in which case there may be discussion, to ask a question on answers.launchpad.net, or if you're sure, file a bug.
[06:49] <NCommander> persia, no, its a complaint about their blog post
[06:49] <NCommander> any system that is properly implementing OpenID customer can handle system changes
[06:49] <NCommander> REVU explicately handles them and even updates its cache of data when it does
[06:50] <persia> NCommander, You mean the "system name"?
[06:50] <NCommander> yeah
[06:51] <NCommander> OpenID states that the only thing promised to be static is the openid identifor
[06:51] <persia> Well, the other end will get another name, so identity continuity is likely lost.
[06:51] <NCommander> *identifier
[06:51] <NCommander> No
[06:51] <NCommander> OpenID senses a unqiue UID along with any other session records requests
[06:51] <persia> When you change your LP account, the URL changes.  Isn't the URL the "openid identifier"?
[06:51] <NCommander> That changes?
[06:51] <NCommander> ....
[06:51]  * NCommander facepalms
[06:51] <NCommander> It didn't used to
[06:52] <persia> Yep.  lpnet/~sonicmctails -> lpnet/~ncommander for example.
[06:52]  * NCommander sighs
[06:52] <NCommander> Oh well
[06:52]  * persia doesn't know much about OpenID or LP internals, so may be mistaken
[06:52] <NCommander> I guess ~sonicmctails will be a long lasting legacy
[06:53] <persia> Well, it can change, but you'd need to change the expected identifier for the foreign systems.
[06:53] <persia> Note "shouldn't" rather than "can't".  It's just a lot of work to change the name on *every* consumer.
[06:53] <NCommander> I'll probably reduce LP to a miserable pile of exceptions if I tried it
[06:53] <NCommander> I only ever used it with REVU :_)
[06:53] <NCommander> I'm curious if the email addresses will properly change
[06:54] <NCommander> Or if I need to beg elmo
[06:54] <persia> Right, and REVU doesn't set permissions based on groups very cleanly, so you'd need to merge the accounts.
[06:54]  * NCommander can just fix the permissions
[06:54] <NCommander> <- *REVU Admin*
[06:54] <persia> Well, that's Ubuntu-specific, but they can change on request.
[06:54] <NCommander> Now the question is what do I change my ID to
[06:54] <persia> Right, but as general advice, it's best not to change if you're using OpenID.
[06:55] <NCommander> ok fair enough
[06:55] <NCommander> It didn't used to do that
[06:55] <NCommander> When I coded the openid glue for REVU, it didn't
[06:55] <persia> That was beta :)
[06:57] <NCommander> Aren't finals supposed to be less buggy than the final :-)
[06:57]  * NCommander hears a gunshot
[06:59] <persia> Well, it's debateable whether it's a bug.
[06:59] <persia> I'd personally rather send "persia" than d395a060729ca9a1094a43bff603ee34 as an identity token.
[06:59] <persia> However, in order to support me changing that (unlikely as it might be), and someone else then using "persia", I can't have both.
[07:00] <persia> (leaving aside the frequency of md5sum hash collisions)
[07:08] <Hobbsee> how long does https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/awn/+spec/awn-settings-must-die take for people to load, here?
[07:10] <persia> By rough count, 23 seconds here.
[07:10] <Hobbsee> ouch?
[07:11]  * persia tries the same test with https://launchpad.net/
[07:11] <persia> 8 seconds there, so I guess that counts as "ouch".
[07:11] <Hobbsee> 3.564s?
[07:11] <Hobbsee> persia: tried a dns query cacher?
[07:11]  * persia should probably look into one of those
[07:12] <persia> I have a local DNS server (about 3 meters away) that is supposed to do that though.
[07:12] <Hobbsee> persia: I just did, and i'm getting it doubly fast, or so.  I've got a guide for it, if you do decide you want to (it's easy to set up)
[07:12] <Hobbsee> ahh
[07:12]  * Hobbsee keeps browsing around, marvelling at the fast launchpad.
[07:14]  * persia is slow enough at doing anything that nearly any page load time in the 15-30s range is sufficient
[07:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:23] <wgrant> stub: Maybe you can convince people that Malone needs version tracking, so the Janitor *can* know that.
[07:25] <stub> There has been discussion on that sort of thing for years (bug infestations and other terms) where a bug is linked to a version and we infer all the dependant distributions and packages that have that bug. But always vague and ends up in the too hard basket.
[07:27] <wgrant> I recall discussions about it years ago being shot down, yes...
[07:35] <persia> Which bug is this?  I'd like to subscribe.
[07:36] <Mez> ew @ the new font...
[07:36] <Mez> and er... how do I find out why I'm subscribed to a bug?
[07:36] <wgrant> Mez: Find the bug. Check where you appear in the subscribers list.
[07:37] <wgrant> If you're directly subscribed, hover over.
[07:37] <wgrant> Actually...
[07:37] <wgrant> Just check the footer of the bugmail.
[07:37] <Mez> Apparently I subscribed myself? I know I didnt though.
[07:37] <Mez> The new font is HORRID
[07:38] <wgrant> Which new font?
[07:38] <wgrant> Mez: If the subscription is older than about January, that data will be wrong.
[07:39] <Mez> the bug was reported in november...
[07:40] <wgrant> Which bug?
[07:40] <Mez> for some reason, the new "sans-serif" font is made to a sorta courier-esque font
[07:40] <Mez> bug 292850
[07:41] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[07:42] <Mez> I don't know - unless I'm being subscribed cause it's soemthing to do with openID and I expressed a major interest...
[07:42] <wgrant> I still don't see a new font.
[07:43] <jamesh_> Mez: if it is an indirect subscription, it would be under "Also notified"
[07:43] <Mez> wgrant... *shrugs* might have been a system font change)
[07:43] <Mez> jamesh: true :(
[07:43] <wgrant> jamesh: Unless somebody made it private and public again.
[07:43] <Mez> I know I didn't subscribe myself though.
[07:43] <jamesh> wgrant: nothing about that in the log
[07:43] <wgrant> Which they didn't.
[07:43] <wgrant> Right.
[07:45]  * Mez goes and checks mail log for first reply to this I got
[07:47] <Mez> nope, the first email I got from the bug was 10 hours ago...
[07:48] <Mez> I've never seen the bug before... and to be fair, I think this has happend on a couple of other bugs ... (they've been related to things I do though, KDE etc, so it could have been an auto-subscribe and I've just deleted)
[07:52] <Mez> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/31768 <-- one of them that it says I subscribed to...
[07:55] <Mez> er, Launchpad OpenID should be available to LP Beta Testers - right?
[08:03] <Mez> it seems that there is no longer OpenID for me :(
[08:03] <jamesh> Mez: you mean https://login.launchpad.net/ doesn't work for you?
[08:04] <kiko-zzz> Mez, have you tried using ~mez again? :)
[08:04] <Mez> jamesh: I mean going to http://edge.launchpad.net/~mez doesn't give me an openid login link on my page.
[08:04] <Mez> BUT, www.launchpad.net does
[08:04] <wgrant> Mez: Logged in?
[08:04] <Mez> yup
[08:06] <Mez> one sec
[08:07] <Mez> http://files.sourceguru.net/lp.png
[08:07] <wgrant>   status confirmed
[08:07] <wgrant> I see that too.
[08:08] <wgrant> Could be deliberate, though.
[08:08] <wgrant> Given that the new ID page is /people/+me...
[08:08] <kiko-zzz> hmmm nooo
[08:09] <kiko-zzz> weird.
[08:09] <kiko-zzz> Mez, the openid URL does work regardless though in openid, right?
[08:09] <Mez> kiko-zzz: probably... lol
[08:11] <Mez> wgrant: you dont show it etiher?
[08:11] <wgrant> Mez: Correct.
[08:11] <jamesh> Mez: so, you can't use http://openidenabled.com/python-openid/trunk/examples/consumer/ ?
[08:11] <jamesh> that one is a pretty good test for OpenID servers
[08:12] <Mez> jamesh: I haven't tried the ID :D I was just checking whether the delgation was there (fixed in 7303, the one on edge is higher than that)
[08:13] <wgrant> edge isn't delegating person pages.
[08:13] <wgrant> So maybe OpenID is somewhat turned off there...
[08:13] <Mez> jamesh: the delegated page I have setup works...
[08:13] <Mez> wgrant: possibly... dunno... I just went to have a looksie to see that the bug I'd got my way with had been done right ;)
[08:17] <Mez> jamesh, mind if I PM you ?
[08:19] <Mez> or one of the other LP devvies who has some spare time on his/her hands
[08:20] <kiko-zzz> Mez, I'm gonna send this in email to flacoste so he can read it and consider a fix as soon as he's up as there is a window for an update today
[08:21] <jamesh> Mez: go for it
[08:21] <wgrant> kiko-zzz: Doesn't edge track RF for the first half of the cycle anyway?
[08:21] <jamesh> Mez: although I'm not on the LP team thest days, so wouldn't be the one to fix any problems
[08:21] <kiko-zzz> wgrant, it does, but there can be "if edge" in the code
[08:23] <Mez> what are you doing these days then james?
[08:23]  * wgrant runs away.
[08:23] <wgrant> dev.launchpad.net has *content*! Yay!
[08:23] <kiko-zzz> wgrant, when you said "the new ID page is /people/+me" what did you mean?
[08:23] <Hobbsee> ooh, content!
[08:24] <e-jat> can administrator in launchpad team add another administrator in their launchpad team ?
[08:24] <wgrant> e-jat: No, only the owner.
[08:24] <e-jat> or must be the owner of the team ?
[08:24] <e-jat> wgrant: thanks ..
[08:24]  * Hobbsee wonders if the typos are on the internal wiki, too :P
[08:24] <wgrant> kiko-zzz: Isn't the new standard OpenID 1.0 URL http://launchpad.net/~username?
[08:25] <kiko-zzz> it is, but it isn't /people/+me (which redirects to that) :)
[08:25] <wgrant> I meant people to be understanding and resolving /people/+me, sorry.
[08:25] <Hobbsee> oh, openID's broken, it seems
[08:25] <Hobbsee> is this intentional?
[08:26] <wgrant> Hobbsee: What about it is broken?
[08:27] <Hobbsee> oh, hmm, worked the second time
[08:27] <Hobbsee> it looked like it had worked the first time, and logged me in, but then said something, which, unfortuantely, i don't remember what it was.
[08:29] <Hobbsee> and are addresses like https://login.launchpad.net/+id/w4sdKwx supposed to be public?
[08:29] <kiko-zzz> they are kinda irrelevant now
[08:29] <Hobbsee> and who they belong to (matt revell)?
[08:29] <kiko-zzz> we will announce the change today
[08:29] <Hobbsee> oh, right
[08:29] <Hobbsee> good :)
[08:29] <wgrant> kiko-zzz: I already saw it on Planet.
[08:30] <jamesh> kiko-zzz: those addresses are relevant to SSO clients
[08:30] <kiko-zzz> jamesh, under the hood, yes
[08:30] <jamesh> places where identity is important
[08:33]  * Hobbsee wonders if it's supposed to be public where the page was edited, and their IP address, too.
[08:34] <wgrant> How are pockets for sourcepackage branches meant to be referenced? I note they're in the schema, but not the branch paths...
[08:35] <wgrant> Oh.
[08:35] <kiko-zzz> right
[08:35] <wgrant> distroseries-pocket further up the page, I see.
[09:02] <wgrant> I see even non-LP-people can spam remote bug trackers through LP now. Excellent.
[09:06] <wgrant> Huh? I got a result pointing to bugs.staging.edge.launchpad.net using the global search...
[09:07] <wgrant> It it blindly replacing launchpad.net in the results with edge.launchpad.net?
[09:27] <BUGabundo> hi
[09:27] <BUGabundo> I'm receiving emails from ubuntu-desktop team bugmail
[09:27] <BUGabundo> I don't remember subscribing to it
[09:27] <wgrant> BUGabundo: What does the message say at the bottom?
[09:27] <BUGabundo> where can I see to which bugmails am I subscribed?
[09:28]  * BUGabundo fechs email
[09:28] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/297230
[09:28] <BUGabundo> You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop, which is a bug assignee.
[09:29] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Erm, but you're not... to which address was it sent? The ML, perhaps?
[09:30] <BUGabundo> let me check
[09:30] <wgrant> LP is definitely lieing, anyway..
[09:30] <BUGabundo> From: Joe Smith<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:30] <BUGabundo>  To<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:31] <wgrant> Right, you're subscribed to the mailing list.
[09:31] <kiko-zzz> yeah, and in this case team != mailing list
[09:31] <wgrant> Yep.
[09:31] <wgrant> But the rationale needs improvement for that case.
[09:31] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/74695/
[09:31] <BUGabundo> here is the source!
[09:31] <BUGabundo> but it looks like a LP email!
[09:31] <BUGabundo> even on the headers!
[09:32] <wgrant> It is an LP email.
[09:32] <wgrant> It just came through the ubuntu-desktop mailing list.
[09:32] <BUGabundo> that's why my LP filter caught it and not the UDdesktop ML
[09:32] <wgrant> Because that is set as the contact address for ubuntu-desktop.
[09:33] <BUGabundo> Subject: [Bug 297230] Re: jaunty debian/control typos
[09:33] <BUGabundo>  X-Launchpad-Bug: distribution=ubuntu; sourcepackage=dictd; component=main;
[09:33] <BUGabundo>          status=Confirmed; importance=Low; assignee=None;
[09:33] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhhhh that's why
[09:33] <BUGabundo> it is quite confusing to look at!
[09:33] <BUGabundo> should a team ML be used also for bugmail?
[09:33] <wgrant> Yes.
[09:33] <wgrant> No problem with that.
[09:33] <BUGabundo> how does one distiguish both then?
[09:33] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[09:34] <wgrant> I mean, what do you actually want to do?
[09:34] <BUGabundo> well if some devs want to discuss stuff on the ML
[09:34] <BUGabundo> and still have to process all the bug mail, it gets confusing
[09:34] <BUGabundo> I don't want to do
[09:34] <wgrant> Filter the bugmail from ubuntu-desktop into another folder, maybe.
[09:34] <BUGabundo> I'm used to be on separete ML and bugmail lists!
[09:35] <wgrant> That's what I do for my lists.
[09:35] <BUGabundo> its the 1st time I got that!
[09:35] <BUGabundo> I'm subscribed to UD ML so I can keep up with the desktop subjects
[09:35] <BUGabundo> found strange to get this mail there
[09:35] <BUGabundo> and now you explained it to me!
[09:35] <wgrant> I do that.
[09:36] <BUGabundo> plus wgrant the team doesn't even show up on this bug ticket
[09:36] <BUGabundo> lol
[09:37] <wgrant> BUGabundo: It probably got unassigned.
[09:37] <wgrant> ** Changed in: dictd (Ubuntu)
[09:37] <wgrant>      Assignee: Ubuntu Desktop (ubuntu-desktop) => (unassigned)
[09:37] <wgrant>        Status: Triaged => Confirmed
[09:37] <wgrant> Yes, it did.
[09:46] <BUGabundo> ha thanks for the heads up
[12:04] <Paavo> What is launchpad's policy regarding closed source supporting components shipped with an otherwise free software project?
[12:07] <DarkKnight> hey i always wanted to know how i can learn the coding and fix bugs to improve launchpad....can anyone tell me where to start from
[12:09] <Hobbsee> DarkKnight: it's closed source, so currently, you can't, really.  It is supposed to be open sourced by July 2009 though.
[12:10] <persia> Paavo, From my reading of the official policy, it's forbidden.  For an official answer and possible options, you want to file a question on answers.launchpad.net
[12:10] <Hobbsee> persia: you can get an NDA for it, if you really beg, iirc.
[12:10] <Paavo> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/40633
[12:10] <Paavo> "Yes closed-source projects can now be hosted on Launchpad by purchasing a one-year subscription for US$250/project (+ applicable VAT if in the EU)."
[12:11] <Paavo> that could be an option, but I'll post a question.
[12:11] <persia> Ah, nice to see there's already an official answer there.
[12:12] <DarkKnight> Hobbsee; i m not talking about improving launchpad...but okkk... i meant to fix bugs....learn the coding for fixing bugs of various releases
[12:12] <Hobbsee> DarkKnight: oh, of ubuntu ones?
[12:12] <Hobbsee> DarkKnight: then you want something like #ubuntu-bugs
[12:12] <Paavo> SourceForge seems to be less flexible about that, and $250/year isn't very much.
[12:12] <DarkKnight> Hobbsee; ya....
[12:13] <DarkKnight> Hobbsee; want in the sense??
[12:13] <Hobbsee> DarkKnight: you want to join #ubuntu-bugs, on thsi network, and ask there, instead of this channel :)
[12:13] <DarkKnight> Hobbsee; thanq
[14:45] <vadi2> Hi. I'm seeing "/>                           />       " right on top of my page with the recent update
[14:50] <kiko> vadi2, I heard about this. can you give me a) an HTML dump of the page b) a screenshot c) a browser user-agent line?
[14:50] <kiko> vadi2, if you can then please attach them to a bug matsubara will give you in a second
[14:50] <kiko> matsubara, let vadi2 in on the secret of this />/> bug number?
[14:51] <kiko> or Ursinha the clairvoyant
[14:51] <matsubara> bug 300126
[14:51] <vadi2> ok
[14:53] <kiko> flacoste, sinzui: I'll want an RC for the above.
[14:53] <vadi2> done
[14:54] <vadi2> uh
[14:54] <flacoste> kiko: ok, i'll fix it
[14:57] <fta2> sorry to ask again but any progress on the kernel too old issue /w ppa ?
[14:59] <kiko> cprov, bigjools: what's the story with this kernel too old stuff fta2's raising since yesterday?
[14:59] <soren> I think it needs buildd admin love.
[15:00] <bigjools> kiko: it's a buildd admin job, we're waiting on them
[15:00] <soren> IIRC slangasek uploaded a fixed glibc, but it needs an admin to install.
[15:00] <kiko> bigjools, meaning infinity only?
[15:00] <bigjools> kiko: 9/10 yes
[15:00] <persia> Aren't there 3 buildd admins with access?
[15:01] <kiko> persia, if you wanna chase that down for us I'll owe you a t-shirt and beer at UDS
[15:01] <persia> lamont, Would you be able to install the new glibc for the launchpad crew?
[15:02] <kiko> for the crew of the PPA pirate ship
[15:05] <lamont> persia: install where?
[15:05] <persia> kiko, ?
[15:05] <persia> bigjools, ?
[15:05] <soren> lamont: The ppa buildds
[15:05] <soren> lamont: For Jaunty, in particular.
[15:05] <lamont> soren: real root, or build chroot?
[15:05] <soren> lamont: build chroot, I imagine.
[15:05] <elmo> or you can leave it
[15:05] <lamont> well, given that the sequence is: untar, upgrade, build
[15:05] <elmo> we should be able to upgrade the remaining buildds today
[15:05] <lamont> ...
[15:06] <elmo> and that's probably a better solution
[15:06] <kiko> elmo, okay, thanks a lot for chiming in.
[15:06] <persia> elmo, That does sound better.  Thanks.
[15:06] <persia> kiko, So, does 5 minutes earn me a T-shirt?
[15:14] <kiko> persia, if it gets done by today then yes :)
[15:14] <kiko> (I give t-shirts out for actual solutions not plans)
[15:14]  * persia likes the new launchpad bribe system
[19:53] <joshuablount-afk> I'm having some trouble with a remote lock, and I'm unsure how to remove it.
[19:53] <joshuablount-afk> I'm trying to push to a lp branch, my last push was stopped by a network connection fail.
[19:53] <beuno> joshuablount-afk, bzr break-lock BRANCH
[19:53] <kiko> faq faq faq
[19:53] <joshuablount> ah! fantastic.
[19:54] <beuno> don't mind kiko, it's release week
[19:55] <kiko> or maybe I'm saying it's faqtastic :)
[19:55] <cjwatson> BjornT: (as help contact) can you tell me why I'm not allowed to create a product called "rootskel-gtk"?
[19:55] <kiko> maybe it's the root prefixing there. we can rename it for you.
[19:55] <cjwatson> from another dummy name, you mean?
[19:55]  * beuno looks up Launchpad FAQs
[19:56] <kiko> yes
[19:56] <BjornT> cjwatson: i think kiko is right, but i could look it up to confirm
[19:56] <kiko> bootskel-gtk should work
[19:56] <cjwatson> seems a kind of silly restriction :)
[19:56] <kiko> it's a blacklist and it indeed contains silly things
[19:56] <cjwatson> created bootskel-gtk
[19:56] <BjornT> cjwatson: what's the error message, btw?
[19:56] <cjwatson> would appreciate a rename, or should I file a question?
[19:57] <BjornT> kiko: can you rename the project?
[19:57] <cjwatson> BjornT: "The name 'rootskel-gtk' has been blocked by the Launchpad administrators"
[19:57] <kiko> I can't
[19:57] <kiko> but cjwatson can file the question and then we sort it out
[19:57] <kiko> herb can but I think it's EOD for him
[19:58] <BjornT> cjwatson: ok. that's due to the blacklist.
[19:58] <cjwatson> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/52038, thanks
[19:59] <kiko> thanks cjwatson
[19:59] <cjwatson> you want a bug on the dodgy blacklist too?
[19:59] <kiko> nah, that I can do at the same time, clearing up an entry
[19:59] <cjwatson> mkay, ta


[19:10] <StudioUser20> Help, I can not get 23.10 to add my bluetooth speaker to the audio sink profiles, so I cant use it, It is connected just fine to my computer currently, I just can not send audio to it, I have tried everything under the sun, including doing 2 fresh installs of 23.10, it was working, but I tried to upgrade to 24 the other day, and well that broke my
[19:10] <StudioUser20> system, I seem to have everything working but being able to send audio to bluetooth, any help would be great. FYI, I have done all the normal stuff one can find in searching hours on google
[19:10] <V1A> hi all
[19:11] <V1A> after reboot suddenly my monitors cannot be used to stream audio/ arent shown as output devices anymore
[19:11] <V1A> its version 22.04
[19:12] <V1A> only remaining output is jack sink (Ppulse out)
[19:12] <V1A> pulse*
[19:13] <V1A> what im also missing on this version is the option to set different outputs for different applications/interfaces. i had that before i installed this version
[19:26] <V1A> !morehelp


[04:25] <Kupo24z> Hey all, I've setup a flat-networking openstack cluster with juju however the networking config area seems to be missing in horizon. Nova network shows running on all compute nodes however. Any ideas?
[05:09] <jose> negronjl: ping
[05:15] <negronjl> jose: hey
[05:15] <jose> negronjl: hey! he estado trabajando en el charm de Seafile que habías hecho, y ya lo tengo terminado, sólo me falta un copyright file, que vendría de tu parte
[05:16] <jose> no sé si puedas poner uno en tu branch para poder hacer un pull y encargarme de mandarlo a la Charm Store
[05:16] <negronjl> jose: submit it and I'll add it
[05:17] <jose> negronjl: you mean, should I push my branch and you'll put an MP to add it?
[05:18] <negronjl> jose: you can add this one: https://github.com/haiwen/seafile/blob/master/LICENCE.txt
[05:19] <negronjl> jose: also, add your name to the copyright ( for the charm )
[05:19] <jose> negronjl: I just did some tweaks, you're actually the author :)
[05:19] <negronjl> jose: that should suffice then, submitted for review and we can see how it goes
[05:19] <negronjl> jose: add my name to the copyright as well ... push it and I'll review it
[05:20] <negronjl> jose: or just MP the thing and I'll take it from there
[05:20] <jose> ok, I'm finishing up the README and the icon and I'm pushing it
[05:20] <negronjl> jose ... oh ... and thanks for fixing it :)
[05:20] <jose> no worries :)
[05:50] <jose> negronjl: https://code.launchpad.net/~jose/charms/precise/seafile/trunk if you want to take a look
[05:52] <negronjl> jose: le haces MP ?  Asi yo hago el review y por ahi seguimos
[05:52] <jose> dale
[05:53] <jose> (el bug con charmers para la inclusion en el charm store ya está abierto)
[05:54] <negronjl> jose: Lo miro en un rato
[05:54] <jose> genial, gracias :)
[06:18] <negronjl> jose: Thanks for the changes.  I merged the changes
[06:18] <jose> np, looking forward to seeing it on the store soon
[06:19] <negronjl> jose: I added you to the maintainers as well.
[06:20] <jose> awesome, thank
[06:20] <jose> s
[06:20] <jose> I'm planning on adding memcached and postfix support in the future, looks promising
[07:54] <benonsoftware> Hiya
[07:54] <benonsoftware> I'm currently making a charm for folding@home / origami and I'm not sure if I understand the 'provides:' section in metadata.yaml
[13:51] <Kupo24z> Hey all, anyone know how to add a fixed range in juju openstack without it being overwritten (nova.conf)?
[14:42] <timrc> Hrm when I deploy a local jenkins environment using a mixture of precise and trusty containers, the precise containers just hang :( 1.18.1-trusty-amd64
[14:43] <timrc> I creating an lxc container by hand with -r precise to ensure that was the problem
[14:43] <timrc> The precise containers are forever in a "Pending" state
[14:48] <jose> I think there was a bug about that
[14:57] <mattyw> anyone seen this error before? WARNING failed to write bootstrap-verify file: cannot make S3 control bucket: A conflicting conditional operation is currently in progress against this resource. Please try again.
[14:57] <mattyw> during a bootstrap
[14:59] <jose> mattyw: that's an S3 error, is your bucket name unique and you have enough privileges for bucket creation?
[15:00] <mattyw> jose, everything was working until I tried switching regions about 30 mins ago, I switched back now and get this problem
[15:00] <mattyw> I've logged into my account, deleted all buckets
[15:01] <jose> according to Amazon, that's an 409 Conflict error, with code OperationAborted
[15:02] <smarter> so, I'm running juju on precise and doing a local deployment with saucy machines, and they all fail with some apparmor error: http://sprunge.us/XgPJ
[15:02] <smarter> previously, I was deploying with raring machines and it worked fine
[15:03] <jose> mattyw: apparently bug #1183571 is related to that
[15:03] <_mup_> Bug #1183571: bootstrap fails: A conflicting conditional operation... <cmdline> <hours> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1183571>
[15:03] <mattyw> jose, I changed my control bucket id and it seems to work ok
[15:03] <jose> awesome then
[15:03] <smarter> any idea?
[15:03] <mattyw> jose, thanks for the link to the bug
[15:09] <mattyw> anyone seen this error when trying to deploy a local charm? ERROR error uploading charm: cannot update uploaded charm in state: not okForStorage
[15:14] <jcastro> lazyPower, you're on review this week iirc?
[15:14] <lazyPower> jcastro: yeah, its going to be a repeat of the last 2 weeks - if you run into some high prority stuff please make a note on the board for me and i'll hit it up EOD
[15:14] <jcastro> This afternoon I'll try to hit the easy ones and at least +1
[15:15] <lazyPower> Much appreciated my man
[16:13] <smarter> is there any way to disable apparmor in the local instances to work around http://sprunge.us/XgPJ ?
[16:28] <smarter> oh apparently, the problem was fixed in dbus: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/dbus/+changelog
[16:28] <smarter> is there any way to run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade on the lxc containers spawned by juju, before anything else?
[16:31] <marcoceppi> smarter: you can run juju add-machine to enlist a bunch of machines for deploying to, then run an ssh loop to run those commands
[16:33] <smarter> okay that could work, is there any way to automate that?
[17:00] <smarter> wait actually saucy already has dbus 1.6.12-0ubuntu10 so that's probably not the cause of my problem
[17:11] <jcastro> marcoceppi, reminder to put your juju logging plugin thing in github pls
[17:16] <smarter> marcoceppi: I can't even juju ssh to the lxc to disable apparmor, because ssh to lxc containers is broken...
[17:16] <marcoceppi> smarter: no it's not. What version of juju are you using?
[17:16] <marcoceppi> that was fixed in 1.18
[17:16] <smarter> 1.16.x
[17:16] <smarter> ah
[17:16] <smarter> maybe I should try 1.18 again, but it broke other stuff iirc
[17:16] <smarter> sigh
[17:17] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: i wish juju pprint was included by default
[17:17] <lazyPower> such a handy plugin
[17:21] <jcastro> ERROR state/api: websocket.Dial wss://<IP_ADDRESS>:17070/: x509: certificate signed by unknown authority (possibly because of "crypto/rsa: verification error" while trying to verify candidate authority certificate "juju-generated CA for environment \"local\"")
[17:22] <jcastro> anyone  see that before? Fresh deploy on LXC on trusty
[17:22] <jcastro> lazyPower, actually I'd prefer normal juju status to be not so wordy by default
[17:25] <jose> guys, what should be the process in case I want to be the maintainer of a charm?
[17:27] <marcoceppi> jose: is the charm unmaintained?
[17:28] <jose> marcoceppi: no, but the maintainer hadn't pushed a fix for ~1.5 years
[17:28] <marcoceppi> jose: we don't really have good criteria for what constitues an unmaintained charm, which one is it?
[17:29] <jose> marcoceppi: owncloud
[17:38] <jcastro> jose, I would snag it, but send nathwill a courtesy email
[17:38] <jose> jcastro: will do
[17:47] <cory_fu> Why do I occasionally get this error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7256493/
[17:47] <cory_fu> Seems like it's failing on the log command
[17:47] <cory_fu> But it only happens every once in a while
[18:04] <smarter> okay, so I have this error http://sprunge.us/XgPJ when trying to do a local deployment from a precise host to either saucy or trusty instances
[18:04] <smarter> but raring works fine
[18:05] <jamespage> this might be a dumbass question but why when I do juju upgrade-charm for a charm deployed from a local branch does juju not just replace whats on disk in the units with what I have locally?
[18:12] <marcoceppi> it pretty much does that, in that it zips the contents, uploads to the juju storage service, then has all the units pull the zip down, extract over your CHARM_DIR and run upgrade-charm hook
[18:12] <marcoceppi> jamespage: ^
[18:12] <jamespage> marcoceppi, hmm
[18:14] <jamespage> marcoceppi, I'm having to use --switch to force a wholesale replacement of the charm
[19:01] <cory_fu> Getting an error when trying to commit in bzr:
[19:01] <cory_fu> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~johnsca/charms/precise/apache-allura/refactoring-with-tests/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[19:02] <cory_fu> How do I fix that?
[19:04] <cory_fu> I did set my launchpad-login already
[19:10] <cory_fu> Ah.  bzr bind lp:... instead of just setting the push branch, fixed it
[19:20] <cory_fu> I'm now consistently getting this error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7257083/
[19:20] <cory_fu> The juju-log helper works fine, and then a few steps later in the hook suddenly fails.
[19:20] <cory_fu> Here is the hook for reference: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~johnsca/charms/precise/apache-allura/refactoring-with-tests/view/head:/hooks/install
[19:26] <cory_fu> mbruzek, can you perhaps help me with that ^?
[19:26] <mbruzek> Yeah
[19:26] <mbruzek> Just dug up the url for you
[19:26] <mbruzek> cory_fu, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/19JyDGyiVqFi4K66yCp3iYH-TbrZvBmZceq-LnmPbj0w/edit#
[19:26] <cory_fu> Thanks
[19:43] <mbruzek> cory_fu, Do you want to get on a G+ hangout ?
[19:43] <cory_fu> Sure
[19:46] <timrc> marcoceppi, All but one of my services are starting when I bootstrap and deploy a new local environment.  Looks like juju is only able to start one machine.  The rest sit in pending forever.  Have you encountered this recently?
[19:46] <timrc> marcoceppi, experiencing this with both 1.17.7 and 1.18.1
[19:46] <marcoceppi> timrc: I have not, but I have not used local in quite a while
[19:46] <timrc> ah hm
[19:46] <marcoceppi> timrc: what does all-machine.log in ~/.juju/local/log look like?
[19:48] <timrc> marcoceppi, I see a lot of this: machine-0: 2014-04-15 19:39:05 WARNING juju.worker.instanceupdater updater.go:231 cannot get instance info for instance "": no instances found
[20:19] <timrc> marcoceppi, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7257403/ -- I removed just the bit of log that shows the one service deploying to the only machine that started
[20:20] <timrc> marcoceppi, machine-0 and machine-1 seem to start without issue, but machine-2 and on do not... no mention of them in the log either
[20:36] <timrc> marcoceppi, Looks like you're having some connection issues... did you get my pastebin?
[21:15] <lazyPower> jcastro: VEM charm is promulgated
[21:15] <lazyPower> any other high prority items in the queue that need callout? otherwise i'm going top to bottom
[21:16] <jcastro> lazyPower, those mysql ones would be nice
[21:16] <lazyPower> jcastro: the 3 you linked earler have already been reved/acked
[21:17] <jcastro> oh awesome, <3
[21:17] <lazyPower> :) Context switching all day my man. i know whats up
[21:28] <jose> lazyPower: hey, mind reviewing an MP I just did to unattended-upgrades? it's pretty simple and straightforward, just 3 lines modified
[21:28] <jose> well, 4
[21:28] <lazyPower> jose: link to MP?
[21:28] <jose> lazyPower: https://code.launchpad.net/~jose/charms/precise/unattended-upgrades/add-categories-readme-markdown/+merge/215966
[21:30] <lazyPower> jose: nix the $'s from the commands in the markdown
[21:30] <lazyPower> use CODE output, which you have, and i'll ack this
[21:31] <jose> ok, I'll remove it
[21:34] <jose> pushed
[21:41] <jamespage> marcoceppi, figured out my problem - old maas install suffering from nonces issue creating problems
[21:43] <marcoceppi> huh
[21:50] <jamespage> gnz
[21:50] <jamespage> lazyPower, thanks for the review
[21:50] <lazyPower> jamespage: thanks for the high quality submission
[21:50] <lazyPower> :)
[21:51] <jamespage> lazyPower, can't take all the credit - yolanda and ivoks both worked on that one as well
[21:51] <lazyPower> the merge history was looonnnnggg on that one.
[21:53] <jamespage> lazyPower, fwiw that charm also works just fine on trusty as well
[21:53] <jamespage> it can deal with 12.04 rabbit and 14.04 rabbit
[21:54] <jose> lazyPower: thank you :)
[21:55] <marcoceppi> jamespage: good to know
[22:00] <lazyPower> hey mbruzek
[22:00] <mbruzek> yes?
[22:01] <lazyPower> i'm down to the new tomcat submission. Just so i'm 100% clear - this is a brandy new charm intended to deprecate tomcat6 and tomcat7 charms, correct?
[22:01] <lazyPower> not an update to either/or
[22:01] <mbruzek> new charm based on Robert Ayres code
[22:01]  * lazyPower cracks knuckles
[22:01] <lazyPower> here we go then, let the review...COMMENCE!
[22:01] <lazyPower> btw ty for this <3
[22:02] <jose> :P
[22:07] <fro0g> is there a Juju changelog document somewhere describing what's new in the different versions?
[22:10] <jose> fro0g: I think http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/j/juju-core/juju-core_1.18.1-0ubuntu1/changelog is what you're looking for
[22:17] <fro0g> jose: indeed, thanks!
[22:40] <smarter> is "juju debug-log" supposed to work with juju 1.18 and local deployments now?
[22:40] <rick_h_> smarter: I think with 1.19 now
[22:41] <smarter> ok :)
[23:30] <lazyPower> Congrats to mbruzek on his newly promulgated Tomcat charm! This is another example of a high quality submission - https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/1295710
[23:30] <_mup_> Bug #1295710: Create a new Apache Tomcat Juju Charm. <Juju Charms Collection:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1295710>
[23:37]  * jose claps
[23:38] <davecheney> lazyPower: what happens if something dies while obtain_tomcat_lock is held ?
[23:41] <lazyPower> davecheney: actually - good question. Its a sentinel file, so you'd have to manually release the lock.
[23:41] <davecheney> lazyPower: what does the lock, lock ?
[23:43] <lazyPower> davecheney: as i understand the source, it locks tomcat from doing things while its reconfiguring. so the app server continues to churn away while the hooks do their thing, aftwords it recycles the app server
[23:43] <davecheney> lazyPower: this could be fixed by running each hook in that big block in a ( ) block
[23:44] <lazyPower> why "fixed"? i dont think theres anything wrong with it.
[23:45] <lazyPower> i may be getting tripped up on semantics though - if that's a feature you would want out of the tomcat charm, i'd file it so the author can implement it.
[23:46] <davecheney> if a hook fails
[23:46] <davecheney> it'll leave tomcat locked
[23:46] <davecheney> how can an adminstrator see this ?
[23:47] <lazyPower> let me redeploy it and evaluate the behavior
[23:48] <lazyPower> davecheney: also thanks for the feedback
[23:48] <davecheney> lazyPower: no probs
[23:59] <lazyPower> davecheney: subsequent runs take control of the file descriptor lock, and if a hookf ails, its shown int eh status output


[00:30] <DougieRichardson> *
[00:31]  * DougieRichardson says hi all
[03:46] <shaunm> nixternal: ping
[03:53] <nixternal> yo yo shaunm
[04:41] <shaunm> nixternal: I was wondering if we could get a cross-desktop irc meeting together some time
[04:41] <shaunm> me, you, whoever else
[04:42] <shaunm> see what everybody's working on and where we might be able to share or standardize
[06:25] <nixternal> shaunm: ya, I will toss that around with the kde fellahs and see what we can come up with
[20:05] <nhandler> mdke: Is there a reason we still have CIA-26 in here? Isn't that from we we still used SVN?


[00:10] <yolo> after cleaning up /etc/apt/source.lists.d/ still I got 'libhwloc-dev : Depends: libhwloc15 (= 2.7.0-2) but 2.7.0-2ubuntu1 is to be installed'
[00:10] <ravage> removing sources does not fix dependencie problems with already installed packages
[00:10] <yolo> there are a few other similar issues, they're complaining about the same version of its own, the version tag has a 'ubuntu1' in it
[00:11] <yolo> I also removed those packages from those sources
[00:11] <ravage> also dev packages are not important for a running system
[00:11] <ravage> remove them
[00:11] <yolo> "Depends: libqt5sql5 (= 5.15.3+dfsg-2) but 5.15.3+dfsg-2ubuntu0.2 is to be installed"
[00:12] <yolo> here it is 'ubuntu0.2' extra version tag
[00:12] <yolo> the dev pkg here is required by another dev package(libopenmpi-dev which I need)
[00:13] <oerheks> seems right; https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy-updates/libqt5sql5
[00:13] <oerheks> also https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy-updates/libhwloc-dev ... did you run apt update before this action?
[00:14] <yolo> yes of course
[00:14] <ravage> and you have jammy-updates enabled?
[00:15] <yolo> if I 'sudo apt install libhwloc-dev' I got the above error, for the qt5 it is because I need add 'qtbase5-dev' but it complians qt5sql5 etc has the unmet dependencies, the differences are all with ubuntu tag in the version name
[00:22] <yolo> ravage: thank you! I double checked my sources.list and I don't know what happened but it was changed
[00:22] <yolo> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/hakerdefo/9c99e140f543b5089e32176fe8721f5f/raw/7ac6ccf882bb0d39297962f0baedce5721c9be65/sources.list
[00:22] <yolo> using this one now the unmet-dep errors are gone
[00:24] <lovetruth> hello :)
[00:24] <lovetruth> If I
[00:25] <lovetruth> If I'm using ubuntu 22.04 server (headless) - what could be the culprit that I can't seem to be able to have persistent network settings?.. After each restart the ubuntu VM seems to lose it's static IP settings (and gateway and the DNS)
[00:32] <StrangerVP_> lovetruth: You need to edit your /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml file
[00:33] <lovetruth> hm... the file doesn't exist, it seems. Should I create it?...           ls: cannot access '/etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml': No such file or directory
[00:33] <StrangerVP_> Set dhcp4: false and specify your static IP and gateway there
[00:34] <lovetruth> I do have ens192.yaml there
[00:34] <StrangerVP_> You can use any yaml in /etc/netplan/
[00:37] <StrangerVP_> lovetruth: Look at "Static IP address" section in https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/network-configuration
[00:38] <lovetruth> thanks. I am there right now :)
[00:54] <AlexOps> Test
[00:54] <arraybolt3> AlexOps: Test successful.
[01:44] <moha> By `apt update/upgrade` I get `Aborted (core dumped)... 99%` with no more information! (Version: Jammy)
[01:45] <sarnold> ouch; are there any more details in dmesg or journalctl?
[02:00] <mybalzitch> so long moha, we hardly debugged thee.
[02:01] <sarnold> lol
[05:18] <webchat65> Hello
[05:18] <webchat65> Maximum of icon not showing any color.
[05:20] <webchat65> anyone there
[05:20] <webchat65> ?
[05:20] <webchat65> ?
[05:20] <webchat65> ?
[08:35] <sreve> hello everybody. does someone know a ready made script, that monitors a directory for changes and sends an email. for a headless system.
[08:37]  * enyc meows
[10:23] <zetheroo> I go to work and connect my laptop to the LAN via ethernet, the laptop's WiFi turns off - that's good. I then shutdown the laptop, disconnect from the ethernet cable and go home. I then boot up my laptop without any ethernet cable plugged in, but WiFi remains off. I have to manually turn the WiFi on in the Ubuntu settings. Anyone know how to fix this?
[10:29] <lehinsun> hi guys, is there a good GUI app for ubuntu which can recognize my voice and insert it to active field?
[10:29] <lehinsun> I know I can achieve it using google docs, but it is not so convenient
[10:41] <zaggynl> lehinsun: flashlight comes to mind: https://github.com/flashlight/flashlight
[10:42] <zaggynl> haven't found an open source turnkey solution yet
[10:46] <lehinsun> zaggynl, thank you, but may be there is something more user-friendly
[10:59] <MOSTAFA> hello\
[11:00] <MOSTAFA> any one there?
[12:15] <taeaad> akik: It may have helped, but the lag is still there.
[12:21] <WeeBey> Morning! So, a while back I tried xfce and my boot screen now has the xfce little mouse. And I think my login screen is also not the default one. Which are the files to check for this config and what is the name of the ubuntu default items?
[12:24] <WeeBey> It's in /etc/X11/default-display-manager? says gdm3 so I guess that's ok
[12:31] <akik> taeaad: how do you feel the lag? in which situations?
[12:32] <taeaad> akik: GUI lag with any of the browsers; I've tried not using Firefox.
[12:58] <Guest55> Anyone here knows how to enable file directory listing inside a webfolder ? Tried adding a .htaccess and Options +Indexes but that didn't work
[13:05] <lolok> do you have also the permissions on the filesystem correct? folders need read and exec, maybe configured for only exec
[13:09] <Guest55> lolok, I did just solve it, modifying /etc/apache/apache.conf.... Seems like the settings/Changes I do in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ doesn't matter
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:41] <esv> hi BluesKaj
[13:41] <BluesKaj> hi esv
[13:42] <esv> hey folks, what command is run in the background GNOME desktop to set show the display settings ? seems the only thing able to wake my external monitor
[13:46] <esv> looks like xrandr and some options might help.
[15:10] <bodhi> wsp everyone
[16:09] <wantom> Client: HexChat 2.16.0 • OS: Ubuntu "jammy" 22.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570T CPU @ 2.90GHz (3.11GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (4.5 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (1.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 50.8 GB / 245.0 GB (194.3 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor
[16:09] <wantom>  DRAM Controller • Uptime: 1h 18m 1s
[16:58] <Guest189> test
[16:59] <mrkubax10> test succeeded
[17:06] <Guest189> I don't understand this apt-cache policy  https://pastebin.com/LhApLfsZ or why is the lastes package not selected as candidate
[17:07] <ravage> looks like you use an OS that is not supported here or at lest aded not supported archives sources
[17:07] <ravage> *added
[17:08] <Guest189> yes but I guess the issue is with a apt packages config, so I was hoping for a few hint on how to trouble shoot
[17:09] <ravage> please seek support at your distro's support channel. or come back with supported Ubuntu version like 22.04.2 LTS if you can reproduce the problem there
[18:11] <theorem> so ..
[18:11] <theorem> another question for the team here
[18:11] <theorem> I'd like to send a fax.
[18:12] <theorem> I have an android device.  I can install fax software on Ubuntu, but how do I get the Adnroid (cell phone) to expose itself as a 'modem' ?
[18:15] <ravage> sounds like an Android question
[18:16] <theorem> could be
[18:16] <theorem> seems like a driver problem for ubuntu / linux ?
[18:16] <ravage> you want Android to do something. so it is not really Ubuntu related?
[18:35] <jhutchins> I wonder if a fax would go through Google Voice?
[18:36] <jhutchins> I know there are a couple of on-line apps that ask if I want them to dial my (android) phone, but it never works.
[18:39] <theorem> jhutchins: as far as I know, the typical CODECs used for voice encoding garble the tones required for modems -- there are some work-arounds, but it usually involves disabling the audio compression --- which is sometimes not an option on many different VoIP systems.
[18:40] <theorem> ravage: something between an Android phone, the Manufacterer, and drivers for the OS --- so, yeah, some kind of integration.
[18:41] <jhutchins> theorem: It's the digital -> audio -> digital -> audio chain that eats the tones.
[18:41] <leftyfb> pretty sure you can't use a cellphone as a fax modem. fax modems are analog. cellphone are not
[18:43] <jhutchins> Probably easiest to set up one of the paid services.
[18:43] <theorem> leftyfb: I've done it before, so I know it's possible.
[18:43] <theorem> leftyfb: it's just been about 18 years...
[18:44] <leftyfb> theorem: good luck. Maybe write up a blog post/tutorial when you get it hacked together
[18:44] <Jim`> What's unattended-upgr
[18:45] <leftyfb> Jim`: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates
[18:45] <Jim`> after I turned a machine that hadn't been on in a while and did dist-upgrade it's sitting there in the background
[18:45] <theorem> leftyfb: ugh, not looking forward to it, but thanks.
[18:45] <Jim`> turned on a machine*
[18:45] <Jim`> leftyfb: oh so it's now doing it all itself
[18:46] <Jim`> I gotta get it over to jammy
[18:46] <leftyfb> Jim`: it's not all updates, it's only certain updates
[18:46] <Jim`> leftyfb: The Machine is a E2160 with a HDD
[18:46] <Jim`> so that's probably while it's taking a lot longer than the new G2020 Ivy Bridge
[18:48] <Jim`> leftyfb: Guess I'll give it sometime to do it's own thing and come back in a few mins to do what I got to myself
[18:48] <Jim`> n5@n55old:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:48] <Jim`> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend. It is held by process 1800 (unattended-upgr)
[18:48] <Jim`> N: Be aware that removing the lock file is not a solution and may break your system.
[18:48] <Jim`> E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it?
[18:48] <Jim`> Keeps telling me that
[18:48] <leftyfb> !paste | Jim`
[18:48] <leftyfb> Jim`: yes, you'll need to wait for it to finish
[18:49] <Jim`> leftyfb: Guess it'll update Focal before I can do Jammy upgrade then
[18:50] <Jim`> Anywho, sounds like I just need to give the old machine sometime and do it throughout the day.
[18:51] <Jim`> .. yeah it's got almost 400 packages to update on Focal first..
[18:52] <Jim`> leftyfb: https://imgur.com/a/U0YMHe0
[18:52] <Jim`> Y'all's past website is blocked
[18:53] <Jim`> paste
[18:53] <leftyfb> Jim`: contact Malwarebytes. It's nothing to do with Ubuntu. They don't own nor run dpaste. Not even sure why we recommend that page over the many others
[18:54] <leftyfb> Jim`: personally, I pipe to nc termbin.com 9999
[18:55] <arraybolt3> Jim`: Pastebin sites are sometimes blocked like that because people *can* share malicious code via a pastebin (you can put any text you want in there, easy to type something bad and send it to someone else).
[18:55] <arraybolt3> If you're using it to share stuff with others, it's no problem.
[18:55] <arraybolt3> And if you're prepared for the eventuality that someone sends you malicious gunk via a pastebin, then it's no problem there either.
[19:07] <jhutchins> There's at lest one site that tends to get blocked because it's full of spam.
[19:09] <Jim`> I came back and it's still updating itself
[19:10] <Jim`> Ah well, guess that's a good thing
[19:12] <jhutchins> Jim`: How big is your downlink?
[19:13] <Jim`> jhutchins: 10 Mbps ATT DSL
[19:13] <Jim`> jhutchins: You CAN get cable here, but it's uptime is about 30% of the day, and disconnected the other 70% .. And records some channels like TNT in SAP
[19:14] <Jim`> I told them come pick up this nice 400 Mbps pile of ..
[19:14] <Jim`> I got other things to do than see "CM Registering" all day.
[19:14] <Jim`> Or have my AEW record in spanish
[19:16] <Jim`> ATT doesn't offer 25 Mbps upgrade either
[19:16] <Jim`> Some people have told me I should just swap to T-Mobile 5G
[19:17] <Jim`> Since I'm inside of the city where there is a T-mobile tower I don't need Verizion's coverage
[19:17] <Jim`> Like I do for my cellphone
[19:17]  * Jim` shrugs
[19:17] <Jim`> Something to think about
[19:37] <ishak> hola
[19:38] <matsaman> shalom
[20:56] <Jim`> So two machines survived LTS -> LTS
[20:56] <Jim`> Interesting
[20:57] <Jim`> Should be expected, but not always the case
[20:59] <jhutchins> Jim`: Nothing says you can't keep Verizon for the cell phone and get Sprint - er, T-Mobile for your home.
[21:00] <jhutchins> We are in Sprint's "home town".  They had the worst network here when they sold out.
[21:00] <jhutchins> The only carrier that had a worse Customer Service rating was Nextel, and Sprint bought them.
[21:03] <Jim`> jhutchins: I get my internet for $10 though
[21:04] <Jim`> So, that's another reason I put up with 10 Mbps that's "mostly stable" vs "30% of the day 100 or 400 Mbps"
[21:04] <Jim`> With ACP I actually get it for $0 right now
[21:04] <Jim`> I suspect as Dumbiden as declared the covid-19 pandemic over, that'll go away too
[21:05] <Jim`> So I'll have to start paying again
[22:02] <hans_> seems i found a bug in the default-mysql-server uninstaller:   after running `sudo apt purge default-mysql-server; sudo apt install default-mysql-server` , the mysql.user is still preserved :o
[22:03] <hans_> mysql.user table is preserved, shouldn't that be removed in `apt purge` ?
[22:16] <jhutchins> Jim`: It just depends what's important for you.
[22:17] <jhutchins> Jim`: Any company discounts available?  It does sound like you've got limited providers.  We're lucky, we have 4-6 options.


[08:14] <caribou> Good morning gents, I was wondering if you were aware of LP: #1766851
[08:15] <caribou> my guess is that it should be targeted to linux as this affects the package. I've just ran into this installing linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[08:16] <caribou> you'll tell me "that's what you get from living on the edge"... :)
[08:16] <caribou> (oh arm64 btw)
[08:21] <smb> caribou, there is awareness: bug 1767133 (in -proposed)
[08:22] <caribou> smb: good thanks!
[08:22] <caribou> & happy to 'see' you :)
[08:56] <apw> caribou, linux-base was released to -security quite recently so you should not see this if you are up to date
[08:56] <caribou> apw: lemme check
[09:00] <caribou> apw: indeed apt -y install linux-base fixed it, thanks!
[09:01] <apw> caribou, later kernels are starting to have the right deps to make that self upgrade, but -edge is a bit of a mess still
[09:02] <caribou> apw: that's fine, Just need -edge to test if makedumpfile doens't bail out on me because of KPTI
[13:29] <s10gopal> when cfcadfaad7251d8b640713724b388164d75465b2 will be added in ubuntu 18.04 ?
[13:32] <s10gopal> bug 1745646 is fixed in upstream
[13:43] <apw> jsalisbury, ^
[13:45] <s10gopal> apw, it will be fixed in ubuntu 18.04 or it will be available in 18.10 ?
[13:55] <bjf> s10gopal, looks like that just got applied to the git repo
[13:55] <bjf> s10gopal, that should mean that it comes out in the next SRU update in 3-4 weeks
[14:05] <s10gopal> bjf, before adding patch in sru  , it also require testing ? can i test it ?
[14:07] <bjf> s10gopal, there will be testing required during the SRU process when it hits -proposed
[23:49] <rbasak> https://askubuntu.com/q/1033616/7808 sounds like a bug to me. Related to hwe-support-status and update-motd