[07:13] <seth> bah
[07:13] <seth> network-manager-kde is working great
[07:13] <seth> but my wireless doesn't work right now
[07:14] <seth> it scans, but can't connect
[07:32] <Tm_T> kwwii: good morning
[07:37] <kwwii> sooo, /me starts working on the dapper artwork todo
[07:51] <Parkotron> kwwii: Are there plans for a new default icon theme for Kubuntu?
[07:57] <kwwii> Parkotron: nope, but there are plans to make a few icons which were missing
[07:57] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii
[07:57] <kwwii> check out the wiki page for the list of things toDo until now
[07:57] <kwwii> hi Hobbsee
[07:57] <Hobbsee> which wiki page is this?
[07:58] <kwwii> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperArtworkTodo
[07:59] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[08:00] <kwwii> the first thing I will work on is the usplash stuff
[08:01] <Hobbsee> yay!
[08:02] <Parkotron> kwwii: Sorry, I meant to say a new CURSOR theme.
[08:02] <Parkotron> I realise that Dapper is fast approaching, so I don't expect anything to happen soon, but I really think Kubuntu could use some new cursors.
[08:03] <kwwii> Parkotron: well, that is on the list :-)
[08:03] <seth> Really? I really like the cursor theme
[08:03] <Parkotron> The Ubuntu Human ones are nice, but they're quite Gnomish.
[08:03] <seth> simple and clean
[08:03] <kwwii> they are the best ones we have now, imho
[08:04] <kwwii> but they could fit beter with the KDE look and feel
[08:04] <Parkotron> They could also stand to have a bigger version. On high resolution displays, they can look awfully small.
[08:09] <Parkotron> Personally I'd like to see something like Pinux's Tux Cursors (http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=19506&PHPSESSID=9ce6a9d6dc6598761e7ea68f43bea9dd) but they would definately need some changes.
[08:09] <kwwii> well, I already started work on a new default cursor theme for KDE which includes a bigger version
[08:09] <Parkotron> Excellent.
[08:09] <Parkotron> Are they svg based?
[08:10] <kwwii> everything I do is SVG based :-)
[08:10] <kwwii> but the small pics are pretty much redrawn by hand when necessary
[08:11] <Parkotron> Understandable. You wouldn't happen to have a sample you'd be willing to share, do you?
[08:12] <kwwii> to be honest, I only have two cursors done until now...but once I have enough done to really show I will post them
[08:14] <Parkotron> Well, thanks anyway. Daylight saving time just happed here, some I'm now up really late plus an extra hour. Good night.
[08:14] <kwwii> night
[09:04] <robotgeek> night
[10:19] <glick> hello
[10:19] <glick> is anyone up?
[01:00] <kmon> KNetworkmanager works great here :)
[01:01] <Lure> kmon: great
[01:01] <kmon> my problem was that the bcm43xx kernel driver doesn't support wpa, wep with rate=54
[02:03] <raphink> http://kubuntu.org/
[02:03] <raphink> amarok 3.3.6 ???!!!!
[02:03] <raphink> someone should correct that ;)
[02:03] <raphink> ;)
[02:03] <raphink> imo
[02:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:03] <Hobbsee> we're just going way into the future...
[02:08] <Riddell> my poor little brain mixed up amarok and qt
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:08] <Hobbsee> poor riddell brain...
[02:08] <Riddell> we need more random kubuntu images for website stories
[02:09] <Hobbsee> tell you what, i'll do the site if you do my maths test tomorrow :P
[02:10] <Riddell> maths is easy, especially with the groovy katapult calculator plugin
[02:10] <Riddell> resort to speedcrunch for advanced stuff
[02:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:11] <Hobbsee> it's calculus though...
[02:11] <Hobbsee> stuff i cant really do with a calculator...
[02:12] <Lure> Hobbsee: ;-)
[02:12] <tvo> hehe, guess I should add calculus to the katapult calculator plugin :p
[02:15] <raphink> wow great
[02:15] <raphink> thanks Riddell for telling about the katapult calculator
[02:16] <raphink> however I don't call that maths ;)
[02:16] <Pygi> Lure: yay, n-m was mentioned in TUX
[02:16] <Pygi> altought not directly :-P
[02:17] <raphink> Hobbsee: what kind of calculus is it?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> raphink: evil stuff - first year
[02:17] <raphink> evil stuff is not a subject I know of
[02:17] <raphink> I think I must have missed this one
[02:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:21] <Lure> Riddell: what is your plan regarding knm - should we push for main?
[02:22] <Pygi> Lure: not yet I suggest... not until we have n-m 0.6.2
[02:23] <Lure> n-m-gnome is in main and on Live CD, why should we do the same with Kubuntu Live CD
[02:23] <Lure> there will be always another bug to fix...
[02:24] <raphink> sure
[02:24] <raphink> and as Ploum suggested, we should get some bugs in Dapper
[02:24] <raphink> there are too few
[02:24] <raphink> ;)
[02:25] <Pygi> loool
[02:25] <Lure> exactly
[02:25] <raphink> Pygi: you didn't read the bug report?
[02:25] <Pygi> raphink: no?
[02:25] <raphink> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/37579
[02:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37579 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu doesn't urge enough users to contribute to OpenSource" [Critical,Rejected]
[02:26] <Pygi> notice rejected
[02:26] <raphink> yep
[02:26] <raphink> of course, thankfully ;)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:26] <raphink> someone noted that this bug conflicted with malone 1
[02:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Baltix "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[02:27] <freeflying> why kaffeine can not stop screensaver when it play in fullscreeen mode
[02:27] <freeflying> raphink: hi
[02:29] <raphink> hi freeflying
[02:33] <freeflying> raphink: you owe me a review ,hehe
[02:34] <kmon> freeflying: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine/+bug/30018
[02:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30018 in kaffeine "screensaver starts while kaffeine is playing a film in fullscreen" [Normal,Confirmed]
[02:35] <kmon> someone suggested a solution in there
[02:35] <kmon> "the problem is to do with missing -lXtst at compile time"
[02:36] <kmon> so we need someone to try that and upload an updated package
[02:36] <freeflying> kmon: seems the build-dep need add something
[02:44] <raphink> freeflying: I don't remember owing you anything
[02:44] <freeflying> raphink: :)
[03:38] <pradeepto> Riddell: around?
[04:02] <Lure> kwwii: around?
[04:45] <mart> is it OK to copy a bug off launchpad and file it upstream?
[04:47] <Tm_T> what bug
[04:48] <mart> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gtk-qt-engine/+bug/31633/
[04:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31633 in gtk-qt-engine "emacs-snapshot-gtk unusable with gtk-qt-engine" [Normal,Confirmed]
[04:48] <mart> it's not mentioned in the freedesktop.org bugzilla
[04:48] <mart> so I guess they don't know about it
[04:48] <Tm_T> oh, bug out :)
[04:48] <Lure> mart: only if you are sure that bug is upstream...
[04:48] <Tm_T> yup
[04:48] <mart> Lure: how could I possibly tell?
[04:49] <mart> at least if I file it upstream they can check
[04:49] <Lure> first indication might be that ubuntu has older version than upstream
[04:49] <mart> really, I can't see them releasing anything past 0.6
[04:50] <mart> which is the package I'm using.
[04:51] <mart> so....?
[04:51] <Lure> since ubuntu changes are not substantial, it is probably common bug
[04:52] <Lure> therefore it makes sense to request bug fix from upstream
[04:52] <mart> ok, I'll ask upstream if they are able to reproduce.
[05:01] <_Sime> Riddell: guidance 0.6.4 is up. ( http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ )
[05:56] <Lure> Riddell, raphink: seen this - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1899
[07:48] <Lure_> Riddell, kwwii: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=154000&page=2
[07:49] <kwwii> wow
[07:49] <kwwii> see how people take art personally
[07:50] <kwwii> he says he would never have made it GPL if he'd have known people were going to change it
[07:50] <kwwii> funny taht
[07:50] <kwwii> that
[07:50] <Lure_> kwwii: btw, how can a fix my 1920x1200 wallpapers - I am showing my kubuntu to ppl and this is still an ugly issue
[07:51] <Lure_> kwwii: true, some do not get GPL...
[07:52] <kwwii> I will have to make new versions of the wallpaper
[07:52] <kwwii> since I did them with bitmaps
[07:53] <kwwii> (the bubbles, I mean)
[07:53] <Lure_> kwwii: can I replace them somehow (temporary fix)?
[07:54] <kwwii> Lure_: well, you could try to simply scale them with GIMP and see how they work
[07:54] <Lure_> bubbles are not an issue, as they are stretched - t is more a KDM login screen and splash during login
[07:54] <kwwii> or, if you say "pretty please" I will make bigger ones tonight :-)
[07:54] <kwwii> well, the bg for that is really easy to change
[07:55] <Lure_> kwwii: pretty please, please
[07:55] <kwwii> give me a few hours (to put my son to bed) and then I will take care of it
[07:55] <Lure_> ok, thanks - probably easier fo you to just do it that explaining to me
[07:55] <Lure_> ;-)
[07:59] <kwwii> yeah, it would save time
[07:59] <kwwii> so the kdm bg is the most important right now
[07:59] <kwwii> ?
[07:59] <Riddell> Lure_: kdm and ksplash should be ok
[07:59] <kwwii> Riddell: did you make a bigger version of the bg?
[07:59] <Lure_> Riddell: not for 1920x1200
[08:00] <kwwii> the orig was 1600x1200 which would not be scaled at bigger sizes
[08:00] <Lure_> icons are now placed corectly, but background image (soft blue) is just 1600x1200, so I have some trash at right
[08:00] <Riddell> /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu/kubuntu-wallpaper.png: PNG image data, 1600 x 1200, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced
[08:00] <Riddell> guess not
[08:00] <kwwii> I will take care of it
[08:01] <kwwii> it is only stripesw :-)
[08:01] <kwwii> stripes
[08:01] <kwwii> Riddell: should I send a mail to JBUS about the kdm, etc?
[08:02] <kwwii> I really knew nothing about the whole situation and I hate that someone is angry
[08:02] <Riddell> kwwii: it's the first I've heard of it.  if you think you can be diplomatic enough then do contact him
[09:34] <Tonio_> hello :)
[09:37] <Riddell> salut Tonio_
[09:38] <Lure> hi Tonio_
[09:39] <Tonio_> bonjour Riddell
[09:39] <Tonio_> hi Lure :)
[09:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: any ideas why antialiasing and mouse cursor themes are broken in flight 6?
[09:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: are they ?
[09:40] <Lure> Tonio_: seen this - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1899
[09:40] <Tonio_> I didn't test flight6
[09:40] <Riddell> on new installs yes, but not on upgraded ones
[09:40] <Riddell> I've run out of ideas on what's caused them both
[09:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will test...
[09:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: does flight6 contains 3.5.2 ?
[09:41] <Tonio_> Lure: yes I agree, we at least should have beta version of cups.......
[09:41] <Tonio_> Lure: sounds strange having an outdated svn version
[09:41] <Lure> Riddell: who is doing cups in Ubuntu?
[09:42] <Tonio_> Lure: pitty
[09:42] <Riddell> Lure: pitti
[09:42] <Riddell> I've pointed the recent blog out to him
[09:42] <Lure> Tonio_: I am just concerned that new version will not help with kdeprint - and old cups is just used as excuse
[09:42] <Tonio_> sorry for the bad name :)
[09:42] <Lure> ;)
[09:42] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, but we can ask for something to kde devs if we have a beta version, not an svn.....
[09:43] <Tonio_> Lure: unless I'm wrong
[09:45] <Riddell> the kdeprint maintainer knows about the problem and has been promising to fix it since august
[09:45] <kwwii> hrm, I forgot my wiki login :-(
[09:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: technically, a flight 5 up to date with 3.5.2 should give the same result than a flight 6 when using a virgin profile
[09:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm trying to reproduce
[09:46] <kwwii> Lure: I made a 1920x1200 version for kdm
[09:46] <Lure> print seems to major grief by new users of dapper
[09:46] <Lure> kwwii: thank you!!!
[09:46] <kwwii> Lure: but my screen is so small that I am not 100% sure that it is exactly the same as the one before :-) you'll have to test it
[09:46] <Lure> kwwii: ;-)
[09:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's what I thought, so I installed flight 5 and upgraded qt then kde then everything else, and it still had no problems with anti-aliasing
[09:47] <Riddell> kwwii: it's your e-mail address used in launchpad
[09:47] <Lure> kwwii: you can reset password in lauchpad
[09:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: problem with the building of flight6 ?
[09:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, can't be
[09:48] <Riddell> you can turn on antialiasing easily enough
[09:48] <kwwii> thankfully I only have three different email accounts and 6 passwords
[09:48] <kwwii> my sixth try worked :-)
[09:48] <kwwii> I'll put the pic, and the svg on the wiki
[09:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: the difference can be the default kde config files maybe
[09:49] <Tonio_> when you install flight5 and upgrade, you should have differences on that point
[09:49] <Riddell> yep, but I was deleteing everything in the home directory on each try
[09:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: weird......
[09:50] <Riddell> very
[09:52] <Tonio_> okay, let's burn flight6
[09:53] <raphink> bah
[09:53] <raphink> pitti is not there anyway
[09:53] <Lure> raphink: ;-)
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: will test this week.... we can correct the problem in k-d-s anyway even if we don't understand it
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: by adding the required values to reactivate antialiasing
[09:55] <Riddell> yeah it may come to that. the weird thing is that kdm and ksplash seem to be fine, it's only after ksplash that apps don't use antialiasing
[09:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: can I make main inclusion report for knetworkmanager ?
[09:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes please!
[09:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: doing :)
[09:56] <kwwii> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperKubuntuLoginScreen
[09:57] <Tonio_> kwwii: nice :)
[09:57] <raphink> kwwii: if you have things to upload iin k-d-s, I need to change the background back
[09:58] <raphink> so please ask ;)
[09:58] <raphink> so I don't have to make just a version to revert
[09:58] <kwwii> raphink: not sure I understand you
[09:58] <raphink> kwwii: k-d-s currently has the 1st april wallpaper
[09:58] <Riddell> raphink: kwwii has no upload rights
[09:58] <raphink> so if you have new stuff to upload
[09:58] <kwwii> ahhhh, gotcha
[09:58] <raphink> tell me
[09:58] <raphink> so I don' thave to make a new version just to revert the wallpaper to previous
[09:59] <kwwii> oh no, I'll tell Riddell and let him sort it out P)
[09:59] <Lure> Riddell, kwwii: remind me - where is background located?
[09:59] <kwwii> raphink: ahh, yeah, might be easier for everyone if you do it
[09:59] <Riddell> Lure: which one?
[09:59] <Lure> raphink: this is just login wallpaper
[10:00] <Lure> kdm login screen and ksplash
[10:00] <kwwii> Lure: easiest of all is: http://bootsplash.org/kdm-bg2-wide.png
[10:00] <Riddell> /usr/share/apps/{ksplash,kdm}
[10:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: did someone else but you confirm that antialiasing bug ?
[10:01] <kwwii> Lure: oops, as in, in the system you meant...sorry
[10:01] <Lure> kwwii: no pb, just want to try before raphink packages it... ;-)
[10:01] <raphink> hehe
[10:01] <kwwii> :-)
[10:01] <kwwii> test it, my monitor is not that big
[10:02] <kwwii> definitely test it first
[10:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes had one other complaint
[10:02] <kwwii> if the thing is scaled in any way we need to remove it
[10:02] <kwwii> scaling stripes is evil
[10:02] <Riddell> kwwii: that image is cropped, not scaled
[10:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, I will focuss on this tomorrow, when I bought some cds :)
[10:03] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, and until someone with a monitor that bigs tells me that it works I still won't sleep well :-)
[10:03] <seth> is that a bigger version of the stripe wallpaper than we have now?
[10:03] <seth> my 1680x1050 monitor has a black strip because the stripe wallpaper isn't big enough
[10:04] <kwwii> seth: well, that should be fixed with my new version :-)
[10:04] <seth> great :-)
[10:04] <kwwii> seth: test it and tell us!
[10:04] <seth> is it in the archive?
[10:04] <mornfall> [snipped a pageful of "rewrite all package systems on all distributions" style wish]  "I'm happy to help (by thinking through problems) whoever wants to tackle this (if anyone), but I don't have time to do any coding myself."
[10:04] <Lure> seth: exactly, but yours is is only 80 pixels wide (I suppose), mine is 320...
[10:04] <kwwii> seth: nope, you gotta do it per hand
[10:04] <seth> mmkay
[10:05] <seth> Lure, yeah, it looks to be about 80-100 px, so if the old one was 1600 and this one is 1920, we're golden
[10:05] <seth> while I test, free cookie to anyone who tells me why my bcm43xx is broken (but knetworkmanager is working great, so props to that team)
[10:06] <Lure> kwwii: ppl are asking if new theme would also have a name (like kubuntu 6.06) in order to be able to switch back
[10:06] <Lure> similarly, some would like to have breezy defaults still available as another theme
[10:06] <kwwii> Lure: that would be a great idea
[10:07] <kwwii> can't think of a new name atm though :-(
[10:07] <Lure> you know ppl - they get used to something and do not want to switch
[10:07] <kwwii> I guess the idea of this is that we wanted it to match crystal better
[10:07] <kwwii> bring out more of the bling from crystal
[10:08] <Lure> kwwii: do not get me wrong - lot's of ppl like new bling (now that crystal is now CPU hungry anymore)
[10:09] <kwwii> well, the crystal window deco still needs some work...I really meant the crystal icon theme
[10:09] <kwwii> I am not a big fan of the window deco myself
[10:09] <Lure> interesting: kdm uses png, ksplash .jpg
[10:09] <kwwii> but I understand the idea of making the best out of what kde has to offer now
[10:09] <kwwii> now that is messed up
[10:10] <kwwii> the file is like 28KB as png
[10:10] <kwwii> it must be three times that size as jpeg
[10:10] <kwwii> or more
[10:10] <Lure> I will just use .png as all files are png otherwise (just need to fix Theme.rc
[10:10] <kwwii> yepp, best idea
[10:10] <kwwii> it is striped solid colors so it should not be a problem as png
[10:11] <Lure> kwwii: jpg was 287k (for 1600x1200) - I can imagine that stripes cost in fractals... ;-)
[10:13] <kwwii> exactly :-)
[10:17] <kwwii> I take that back about it being 28KB as png...it is only 11
[10:18] <Lure> kwwii: it worked for ksplash, but not sure if kdm is caching is somewhere :-(
[10:19] <kwwii> yes, it is, if I remeber correctly
[10:20] <kwwii> Riddell: !
[10:21] <Lure> kwwii: I know for kspash cache, this is why it works ;-)
[10:22] <kwwii> the honest truth is that I am not sure cause I have worked with suse systems for the last 7 years
[10:22] <kwwii> I know that suse caches it in the boot stuff to make it start quicker (theoretically)
[10:22] <kwwii> but bootsplash != usplash
[10:23] <Lure> kwwii: there is also install splash (we still have old one - I have added it to todo wiki)
[10:23] <Lure> ;-)
[10:24] <Lure> kwwii: problem is that I cannot find single file with same size as old wallpaper for kdm :-(
[10:24] <Lure> Riddell: do you know if kdm also caches background image and where?
[10:25] <kwwii> hehe
[10:25] <Lure> kwwii: it is not cached, but kubuntu.xml has 1600 as width set!
[10:26] <kwwii> the install splash is instsys stuff, or?
[10:26] <_Sime> Riddell: guidance 0.6.4 is up. ( http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ )
[10:26] <kwwii> Lure: lol, it is sometimes easier than you would guess
[10:26] <Lure> kwwii: I think install splash is in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu package
[10:27] <kwwii> yepp gfxboot, I know that stuff pretty well
[10:27] <Lure> _Sime: you are fast!
[10:27] <kwwii> steffen is the maintainer if I am not mistaken (my ex-collegue at suse)
[10:28] <_Sime> Lure: there are still outstanding bugs. But it is anyway time to get a new release out and tested.
[10:28] <Riddell> _Sime: rocking
[10:29] <Lure> _Sime, kwwii: I will still have issue with huge fonts in kdm login screen
[10:29] <Lure> I think problem is that displayconfig script to fix dpi for fonts starts after login
[10:29] <_Sime> true
[10:29] <kwwii> so do we *really* need a 1920 bg for the desktop? it means making two different pics
[10:30] <Lure> or we just use too huge fonts for kdm (however I do not see much other complaints)
[10:30] <kwwii> Lure: sounds about right
[10:30] <Riddell> kwwii: why two different pics?
[10:30] <kwwii> no, the normal fonts are ok in size
[10:30] <kwwii> Riddell: well, I cannot simply scale one or the other
[10:30] <Lure> kwwii: scaled background does not look that bad, just bubbles are wide
[10:30] <Lure> ;-)
[10:31] <kwwii> so the smaller one *might* be a crop fo the bigger one, but that might not looks so good
[10:31] <kwwii> Lure: yeah, wide bubbles suck
[10:31] <kwwii> s/fo/of
[10:31] <Lure> kwwii: not that bad (I got used to them)
[10:31] <kwwii> hehe :-)
[10:32] <Lure> problem is that raphink's konqi also got on weight a bit ;-)
[10:33] <Lure> _Sime: any way to start your script before kdm login script?
[10:33] <Lure> I would at least try to see if it would help
[10:34] <Riddell> hmm, I thought I'd deleted the debian directory in guidance
[10:34] <Riddell> guess not
[10:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportKNetworkManager
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: need to send an email to the ML or is that done automatically ?
[10:36] <Pygi> Tonio_: wrong spelling
[10:36] <Pygi> reviewed buy MOTUs
[10:36] <Lure> Tonio_: maybe mention that it is included in SLED 10.1
[10:36] <Tonio_> oups....... Pygi thanks :)
[10:36] <Tonio_> Lure: yes good point :)
[10:36] <Pygi> yw Tonio_
[10:37] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks for pushing this forward
[10:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: add it to the unreviewed section in UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[10:37] <Pygi> Tonio_: schedule your day tommorow for 0.6.2 helping me ^_^
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: done
[10:38] <_Sime> Lure: kdm might have a way of running a script after it starts up...
[10:38] <Lure> related question - can we get rid or kwifimanager from kubuntu-desktop - it just gives false hopes to users
[10:38] <Tonio_> Pygi: I will :)
[10:38] <Pygi> Tonio_: thank you ^_^
[10:39] <Lure> _Sime: will research this a bit as I think this would be best way to address this issue
[10:39] <Riddell> Lure: yes, when wlassistant gets in
[10:39] <kwwii> Riddell: so are we sticking to the crystal theme for now? (ie. should I continue working on buttons for crystal?)
[10:40] <Lure> Riddell: great - is wlassistant already on the way to main?
[10:40] <kwwii> window-deco, I mean, of course
[10:40] <_Sime> Lure: if you just want consistent font sizes in kdm, then maybe a simple script that sets Xft.DPI with xrdb might be enough.
[10:40] <Riddell> kwwii: yes, crystal win deco is the plan
[10:41] <Riddell> _Sime: we could add it to the X server args in kdmrc
[10:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: add http://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?product=knetworkmanager&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED
[10:41] <Riddell> as upstream bug tracker
[10:41] <_Sime> Riddell: you can certainly try. ;-) but it might cause regessions for some people who want real X DPIs.
[10:42] <Riddell> _Sime: yes, just realised that
[10:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? I wasn't sure for this ;)
[10:42] <Lure> Riddell: I think bugzilla.novell.com would be more appropriate
[10:42] <Lure> Riddell: this is where "Report bug" action i n knm points
[10:44] <Lure> but I cannot find simple way to filter only knm related issues
[10:44] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm checking
[10:44] <Riddell> Lure: well spotted
[10:45] <Riddell> https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=&content=knetworkmanager
[10:45] <Lure> Riddell: do you need only open issues?
[10:45] <Lure> most are fixed on this list
[10:46] <kwwii> Riddell: tomorrow I will work on the Ubuntu Usplash first, to get that out of the way, then I either do buttons or backgrounds
[10:49] <Lure> kwwii: kdm login now ok - thanks
[10:49] <Lure> kwwii: just need to fix the font size - "Menu" text is currently larger than button
[10:50] <kwwii> Lure: cool :-)
[10:50] <Lure> raphink: will you package new wallpaper for kdm and ksplash?
[10:50] <jjesse> is there a reason the krita manual is not included ?
[10:50] <Lure> two things to watch:
[10:51] <Lure> 1. change Background.jpg to Background.png for ksplash (need to change Theme.rc too)
[10:51] <Lure> 2. kdm requires to change width from 1600 to 1920 in kubuntu.xml
[10:52] <Lure> all the rest is just replacing the Background.png and kubuntu-wallpaper.pnd with the one kwwii put in wiki
[10:52] <Riddell> _Sime: new guidance all working
[10:54] <Lure> how is KDE stopping apps on logout - firefox is always recovering session after crash (indicating that it was killed the hard way)
[10:55] <Lure> I think it is probably firefox issue, but would like to understand this better before submitting bug
[10:55] <_Sime> Riddell: are you going throw the new package directly into dapper repos.?
[10:55] <Riddell> _Sime: that's the plan
[10:56] <_Sime> Riddell: ok... maybe it is a good idea to test a bit first with some of the people here.
[10:57] <Riddell> I don't have a 386 build
[10:57] <Lure> Riddell: give use sources...
[10:58] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/guidance/
[11:01] <jjesse> sorry for the stupid question, but what is guidance?
[11:01] <kwwii> hehe, I was just thinking the same thing :-)
[11:01] <Riddell> _Sime and sebas's rocking set of configuration tools
[11:02] <kmon> http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/
[11:02] <Riddell> which sit in systemsettings and are written in python
[11:02] <jjesse> is it something i need to add to the release notes and book chapter?
[11:02] <kwwii> nifty
[11:02] <Riddell> yep, especially the new displayconfig module
[11:03] <kmon> jjesse: I think yes. It's a rocking kubuntu feature
[11:03] <jjesse> kmon: ok, will need to play with it then :(
[11:04] <kmon> jjesse: Your are working on the official ubuntu book?
[11:04] <Lure> _Sime: can I count on you to write also module for kpowersave config? ;-)
[11:04] <kmon> I mean, you are involved?
[11:04] <jjesse> kmon: yes writing the kubuntu chapter for the book
[11:04] <kmon> :)
[11:04] <kmon> only 1 chapter?
[11:05] <jjesse> yup only 1 chapter
[11:05] <kmon> how many chapters does gnome have? :P
[11:05] <jjesse> well there are 13 if i recall correctly
[11:05] <Lure> kmon: too many - since it is meant to limit the user
[11:06] <Lure> ;-)
[11:06] <jjesse> one that covers kubuntu, one that covers the ubuntu desktop, one that covers ubuntu as a server, one that covers other projects
[11:06] <jjesse> don't remember exactly all of them
[11:06] <kmon> ok
[11:06] <kmon> I've read it will be released as a free book as well...
[11:06] <kmon> is that true?
[11:07] <_Sime> Lure: I don't know much about kpowersave. But seriously, I am interesting in hearing about where Kubuntu is weak with respect to configuration.
[11:07] <jjesse> i think they will put it on a wiki that will allow you to edit it and keep it up to date
[11:07] <_Sime> Lure: configuring scanners??? is that covered?
[11:07] <Lure> _Sime: do not know for scanners, but kpowersave config is currently only in yast2 :-(
[11:08] <Lure> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave
[11:08] <kmon> the klaptop options to configure performance don't work here. Is that a known bug?
[11:08] <Lure> if we want to replace klaptopdaemon one day (hope soon), we will need config tool
[11:09] <Lure> kmon: they do not work for me too
[11:09] <Lure> maybe it is APM stuff - very hard to say
[11:09] <kmon> I remember that gnome's cpu freq applet didn't work out of the box unless you chmod a file....
[11:10] <kmon> maybe klaptop needs something similar?
[11:10] <Lure> kmon: which file?
[11:10] <kmon> Lure: can't remember :(
[11:10] <kmon> I'll ask google...
[11:11] <kmon> Lure: http://hardware.mcse.ms/archive42-2005-8-226342.html
[11:11] <kmon> second post
[11:11] <kmon> chown root:root /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector
[11:11] <kmon> chmod +s /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector
[11:12] <Lure> kmon: that is hell of a dirty hack
[11:12] <kmon> yes
[11:12] <kmon> hehe
[11:12] <Lure> kmon: I just prefer powersaved
[11:16] <kmon> Lure: do you know when kpowersave will release 0.6 final?
[11:16] <Lure> before end of april for sure (when SLED 10.1 is released)
[11:24] <kmon> Lure: found this link: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-88836.html related to configure klaptop
[11:25] <verwilst> anybody using nvidia with dualscreen? :)
[11:25] <Riddell> hello mindglow
[11:25] <Lure> kmon: ok, that is normal - nothing works if you do not configure helper app for klaptop
[11:26] <kmon> yup
[11:31] <Lure> _Sime, Riddell: testing kde-guidance 0.6.4: Display applet fixed, UID bug fixed...
[11:33] <Riddell> groovy, thanks Lure
[11:34] <Lure> one thing (unrelated): were icons in "Admin mode" password window always stretched?
[11:34] <Lure> or did I noticed this now for the first time
[11:35] <Riddell> I think they always have been
[11:36] <Lure> but it looks like only for guidance modules...
[11:36] <Lure> looks ok for adept_updater, Printers....
[11:37] <Riddell> yeah, guidance should include larger icons
[11:37] <Lure> it is funny, since I could say that icons size is the same in System setting as well as in password dialog
[11:37] <Lure> just do not know why they get resized in that dialog...
[11:38] <Riddell> no, password dialogue uses larger icons
[11:41] <Lure> is this ok:
[11:41] <Lure>     sudo pbuilder create --distribution breezy
[11:41] <Lure> sorry:
[11:41] <Lure> Installing new version of config file /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40guidance-displayconfig_restore ...
[11:41] <Lure>  System startup links for /etc/init.d/displayconfig-hwprobe.py already exist.
[11:41] <Riddell> that's fine
[11:41] <Lure> shouldn't we always overwrite?
[11:42] <Lure> this is why I still had S17 istead of S37 (or whatever) since I cannot install Flight 5/6 (only 4 works)
[11:42] <Riddell> it just uses the normal debian alternatives programmes
[11:46] <Riddell> mornfall: I don't suppose you have a copy of 0.3.4?
[11:46] <mornfall> 0.3.4 of?
[11:46] <mornfall> af?
[11:47] <Riddell> liapt-front
[11:47] <mornfall> hmm, i apparently have 0.3.5
[11:48] <mornfall> what's in breezy?
[11:48] <mornfall> 0.3.3 -- interesting
[11:48] <Riddell> 0.3.3
[11:48] <Riddell> too old for this debtags
[11:49] <Riddell> and 0.3.5 doesn't seem to compile
[11:49] <mornfall> let's see
[11:51] <Riddell> or otherwise how do I checkout from svn for a specific date
[11:52] <mornfall> Riddell: should be -r561
[11:55] <Riddell> ok
[11:57] <mornfall> also note 37696 -- i dunnow what with that
[11:58] <kmon> mornfall: do you have a gdebi qt interface planned for adept?
[11:58] <mornfall> gdebi? wth?
[11:58] <kmon> the tool in gnome for installing single debs
[11:58] <mornfall> no, it was dropped for dapper as not important
[11:58] <Lure> mornfall: this is a hard one... :-(
[11:58] <kmon> mornfall: ok
[11:59] <Lure> is it notmal for pre/post scripts to be interactive?
[11:59] <Lure> s/notmal/allowed/
[11:59] <mornfall> Lure: debian policy guarantees that they have a controlling terminal
[11:59] <mornfall> Lure: but it recommends using debconf
[12:00] <mornfall> Lure: and adept in turn Recommends: libqt-perl so we have kdebconf
[12:00] <mornfall> Lure: which is ignored in kubuntu
[12:00] <Lure> mornfall: maybe we should check how others (synaptic, kpackage...) are doing it
[12:00] <mornfall> Lure: kpackage? hah
[12:00] <mornfall> Lure: kpackage freezes
[12:00] <Lure> ;-)
[12:00] <mornfall> hmm, i was thinking kynaptic
[12:00] <mornfall> no kpackage has terminal
[12:00] <mornfall> and synaptic has terminal too, but probably hidden by default
[12:00] <mornfall> dunno
[12:00] <mornfall> it probably makes sure gdebconf is available and used
[12:01] <mornfall> that catches >90% of cases
[12:01] <mornfall> most of the rest will be non-ucf conffile prompts
[12:01] <mornfall> which can be done since dpkg prompts for it
[12:01] <mornfall> that'd cover 99% of cases
[12:01] <Riddell> mornfall: bah, still breaks debtags compile http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/636599
[12:02] <mornfall> but that'd require promoting libqt-perl
[12:02] <Riddell> gdebi has a terminal, it's one of the things that would make it hard to port
[12:03] <mornfall> Riddell: you are compiling with wrong libapt-front (definitely not 0.3.4)
[12:03] <mornfall> Riddell: looks a lot newer (at that point, entity::Package was not even a template at all)


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[00:05] <tassadar_> no, still freezes
[00:05] <tassadar_> I think there is something wrong with "void machine_kexec()", because normal kexec does not even reboot the device
[00:07] <lilstevie> did you have a look at the patches
[00:07] <tassadar_> yes, on tf2, RaYmAn removed several calls from that method, because they caused tegra3 to freeze
[00:07] <lilstevie> there was one to remove an extra flush_cache_all()
[00:07] <tassadar_> *tf201
[00:07] <lilstevie> https://github.com/EnJens/kernel_tf201_stock/commit/6e5043854b55a8552d35d56ed9de414d095cd4d6
[00:08] <tassadar_> yes, I removed those
[00:08] <lilstevie> the outer_inv_all too?
[00:08] <tassadar_> yes
[00:08] <lilstevie> spam printks through there
[00:09] <lilstevie> thats what we did to figure out exactly where it froze
[00:09] <tassadar_> klog does not get disabled somewhere there?
[00:09] <lilstevie> afaik it isn't until the very last step
[00:09] <tassadar_> oh my god)
[00:09] <tassadar_> I have already done that, but thought klog just gets disabled
[00:10] <tassadar_> but I don't really remember where was the last printk, have to try that again)
[00:11] <lilstevie> the other thing you can do is write to a specific register to force a reboot, move it up one spot each time it works until it fails
[00:14] <tassadar_> last printk which gets into klog is before cpu_proc_fin();
[00:16] <lilstevie> hm
[00:16] <tassadar_> well, let's try to comment it out I guess)
[00:49] <tassadar_> chm
[00:49] <tassadar_> no change, still freezes
[00:50] <tassadar_> maybe it does not even boot anything
[00:51] <tassadar_> the ramdisk console is not touched, there is still output from the kernel in which I did the kexec -e in there
[01:04] <lilstevie> tassadar_, pastebin machine_kexec?
[01:05] <tassadar_> http://pastebin.com/Zea4zUsp
[01:07] <lilstevie> and the last thing you get is exec8?
[01:08] <lilstevie> well I would expect that anyway
[01:09] <tassadar_> that's right
[01:13] <lilstevie> odd
[01:13] <lilstevie> if you get to that point it should just work
[01:13] <lilstevie> I just looked through the code
[01:13] <tassadar_> Im gonna try to mess with --mem-min
[01:14] <lilstevie> yeah
[01:14] <lilstevie> mem-min was a pain from memory
[01:14] <lilstevie> actually
[01:14] <tassadar_> does it require any other parametrs?
[01:14] <lilstevie> from memory I had similar results until I came across where I am
[01:14] <tassadar_> like ramdisk or something
[01:14] <lilstevie> um
[01:15] <lilstevie> well I have it doing commandline zimage ramdisk mem-min
[01:15] <lilstevie> then kexec -e
[01:15] <tassadar_> there is no command line in nexus 7's boot image anyway
[01:15] <lilstevie> cause it is bootloader set
[01:15] <lilstevie> but that isn't the point
[01:16] <lilstevie> with the atags patch you need to set it
[01:16] <lilstevie> even if your --commandline=`cat /proc/cmdline`
[01:24] <tassadar_> now it rebooted
[01:25] <tassadar_> yeaaah
[01:25] <tassadar_> it works!
[01:25] <tassadar_> it just does not have initrd
[01:25] <tassadar_> so it reboots
[01:25] <tassadar_> I'll put one there
[01:27] <tassadar_> ./kexec --load-hardboot ./zImage --command-line="$(cat /proc/cmdline)" --mem-min=0xA0000000 --initrd=./rd.img
[01:27] <tassadar_> nice, thank you :)
[01:27] <tassadar_> shell@android:/ $ cat /proc/version
[01:27] <tassadar_> Linux version 3.1.10kexec4test-gba0df58-dirty (tassadar@nymeria) (gcc version 4.6.x-google 20120106 (prerelease) (GCC) ) #18 SMP PREEMPT Thu Nov 22 01:01:55 CET 2012
[01:29] <lilstevie> there we go
[01:31]  * lilstevie goes back to trying to write his boot manager
[01:32] <tassadar_> one last thing - it uses kernel from recovery, right?
[01:34] <lilstevie> uh? what?
[01:34] <tassadar_> https://github.com/EnJens/kernel_tf201_stock/commit/e443f15cd73232b78827dc108c1d2ffbd5bc1fb1#L8R1546
[01:36] <lilstevie> that must be some left over from the original code, you cannot boot to recovery from kernel space (requires some userspace stuff first)
[01:37] <lilstevie> but it all depends on what kernel you put in boot,
[01:37] <tassadar_> kernel in boot must always have these patches, the one which is kexecd' does not, correct?
[01:37] <lilstevie> I put the kexec kernel in boot because I want to go directly to the boot menu, not have to get to recovery to select
[01:38] <lilstevie> huh
[01:38] <lilstevie> the patches to the decompressor and the patches to do the hardboot kexec are all intertwined
[01:38] <tassadar_> so both must be patched, well, that is not good :/
[01:39] <lilstevie> oh wait I see what you mean
[01:39] <lilstevie> yes, you require 2 patches to the kexec guest kernel
[01:40] <lilstevie> the decompressor optimization patch (otherwise boots take anywhere from 30seconds to 10 minutes) and the atags patch, otherwise the guest kernel just ends up with the initrd and cmdline of the kexec host kernel
[01:40] <lilstevie> RaYmAn did say that way back when you started looking
[01:41] <rafase282> Hello everyone
[01:42] <rafase282> I'm trying to install ubuntu server on my pogoplug pro. Is anyone familiar with it?
[01:44] <lilstevie> pogoplug pro is armv6, ubuntu does not support armv6 processors
[01:47] <rafase282> Would debian do it then?
[01:47] <lilstevie> maybe
[01:48] <lilstevie> I saw something on the archlinux wiki which makes commenting on that rather difficult to know
[01:50] <lilstevie> rafase282, there does appear to be a third party project that got debian running on it though, just google around
[01:53] <rafase282> yeah I'm googling it around, I'm not a fan of archlinux I prefer ubuntu but i was told it does not support arm6
[02:01] <tassadar_> hm, I should go to bed, it's 3am here
[02:01] <tassadar_> so, thanks for help and good night
[07:40] <dholbach> good morning
[08:00] <fmoreau> hi all. I'm trying to use the kernel shipped by the ubuntu-n7-installer but with my own chroot (debian based). So far I've got a login prompt but the wifi connection failed. I can see from NM's log "unable to read permanent MAC address..." which seems suspicious. Could anybody give me an hint to make the wifi work ?
[08:15] <lilstevie> fmoreau, you need the wifi firmware
[08:17] <fmoreau> lilstevie: well I already took from ubuntu rootfs the /lib/firmware directory
[08:17] <lilstevie> and the modules?
[08:17] <fmoreau> sure
[08:17] <fmoreau> the driver seems to load fine but it fails to read the permanent MAC address
[08:25] <fmoreau> lilstevie: do you know where I can find the kernel source code ?
[08:27] <lilstevie> google
[08:38] <infinity> fmoreau: The linux-nexus7 source package or, as lilstevie says, Google.
[09:26] <ogra_> fmoreau, you need /etc/nvram.txt too
[09:26] <infinity> Which is the most awfully generic name ever.
[09:27] <ogra_> or /lib/firmware/nvram.txt, not sure where it lives atm
[09:27] <infinity> Why is that named that? :P
[09:27] <ogra_> ask broadcom
[09:27] <infinity> ogra_: Is there a hardcoded reference to that in the binary blobs? :/
[09:27] <ogra_> not sure, might be that you can just change it in the module code
[09:28] <infinity> If so, that might be pleasant.
[09:28] <ogra_> i nerver really bothered beyond getting the wlan to work :)
[09:28] <fmoreau> ogra_: thanks a lot for your usefull suggestion, we'll try it in a couple of minutes.
[09:28] <fmoreau> s/we/I
[09:29] <infinity> ogra_: Say, if you have any dev boards to sacrifice, can you break one in half and do a dance around it for me?
[09:29] <ogra_> heh
[09:29] <ogra_> what did you do that deserves this ?
[09:29] <infinity> ogra_: Or some sort of voodoo to promise eglibc will build on the second try, cause I'm not doing another upload just to disable one intermittently-sad testcase. >:(
[09:29] <infinity> Stupid Pandas.
[09:30] <ogra_> oh man
[09:30] <infinity> The test passed on the previous 4 uploads, and passed here, so I can only hope it passes on give-back of the current upload.
[09:31] <infinity> Cause there's no reason it should be regressing other than "a Panda was having a bad day".
[09:31] <ogra_> as usual
[09:31] <ogra_> its really time they get replaced
[09:31] <hrw> andale board?
[09:31] <infinity> Though, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised that a test called "tst-cpuclock2" occasionally fails on an SoC that does aggressive frequency scaling to avoid exploding.
[09:31] <ogra_> where do we stand wrt highbank buildds ?
[09:32] <infinity> ogra_: Supply issues.
[09:32] <ogra_> any changes?
[09:32] <ogra_> ah
[09:32] <infinity> hrw: We really don't want to replace dev boards with dev boards, we're trying to get real server kit that's actually manageable.
[09:33] <infinity> hrw: Besides, replacing dev boards we actively support with ones we don't isn't clever either.  That essentially jacks up the cost of the endeavor by the salary of half a kernel engineer for a year or two.
[09:33] <hrw> infinity: sure, but when those will be finally somewhere else then in news articles...
[09:34] <infinity> Also, this particular issue wouldn't be better on andale, or any other dev board.
[09:34] <ogra_> we should just go with arm64 in qemu :P
[09:34] <infinity> All ARM SoCs aggressively frequency scale to avoid overheating.
[09:34] <infinity> The solution is to glue heatsinks to them. :P
[09:34] <infinity> ogra_: qemu can't do arm64.
[09:34] <ogra_> it will at some point :)
[09:34] <hrw> I heard rumours that panda5 will come with DIY heatsink set
[09:34] <ogra_> lol
[09:35] <suihkulokki> infinity: not all, just the fast ones :P
[09:35] <infinity> suihkulokki: Okay, fair.  All the ones I'd use as buildds. :)
[09:35] <hrw> and info: "if you run TI kernel, it will work. if mainline then put heatsink until we merge whole PM stuff"
[09:35] <infinity> hrw: Yeah, the 4460 has similar caveats (but didn't come with a heatsink)
[09:36] <infinity> hrw: Still, people using these boards at 100% load (like buildds) should put heatsinks on, or you're not actually getting full clock all the time.
[09:36] <hrw> after playing with Archos tablet (with 4430 and 512MB ram) I prefer to avoid omap4 line
[09:36] <infinity> Maybe I should mail a bag of heatsinks to London and have someone glue one on each Panda.
[09:37] <ogra_> you think they dont have heatsinks in the UK ?
[09:37] <ogra_> or are canadian ones just colder ?
[09:37] <infinity> ogra_: I think we don't have a datacenter engineer to go shopping and faff about, so the more work I do in advance, the easier it is to convince a sysadmin to wander down and stick them on. :P
[09:38] <ogra_> heh, k
[09:38] <infinity> (Plus, for just about anything except teabags, shopping in North America and shipping it to the UK is always cheaper than shopping in the UK)
[09:39] <hrw> not always
[09:39] <infinity> Well, no.  Not always.
[09:41] <ogra_> uuuh
[09:41] <suihkulokki> I really didn't want to imagine that
[09:42] <suihkulokki> :P
[09:42] <infinity> ogra_: Drug mules?  Condoms full of heroin in various body cavities?  Nevermind. :P
[09:45]  * ogra_ shudders ... now i regret that i just uploaded the microSD content of my mx6 for you :P
[09:45] <infinity> ogra_: Are you imagining jagged heatsinks in uncomfy places?
[09:45] <ogra_> hmm, well, "am still uploading" .... i shoudl upgrade to more than 2Mbit
[09:46] <ogra_> i'm trying not to
[09:46] <ogra_> lalalala
[09:47] <suihkulokki> and yes, pandas fit a heatsink fine: https://plus.google.com/101339419642360856354/posts/FUzUk5U4kJe
[09:51] <ogra_> infinity, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/mx6/mmcblk0p1.img needs to be dd'ed to the start of the micro SD, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/mx6/mmcblk0p2.tgz needs to go onto a vfat partition in the card, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/mx6/ubuntu-precise-imx6-sabre-77f462e.tar.gz is a snapshot of the source tree from kernel.ubuntu.com
[09:56] <infinity> ogra_: Cool.  And it boots from the micro or the big slot?
[09:58] <victorp> ogra_ ping
[09:59] <victorp> I am trying to assign https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1065644 to someone relevant, is this something foundations should be looking at?
[09:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1065644 in ubuntu-nexus7 "plymouth causes a hard reset of the nexus" [Critical,Confirmed]
[09:59] <lilstevie> infinity, that is a horrible mental picture
[09:59] <lilstevie> :/
[09:59] <infinity> lilstevie: You're welcome.
[10:00] <lilstevie> I think I am going to go afk for a little bit
[10:00] <lilstevie> to vomit
[10:00] <lilstevie> :p
[10:02] <ogra-cb__> victorp, take me
[10:02] <victorp> ogra-cb__, ? do you mean pick me?
[10:02] <ogra-cb__> infinity, micro
[10:02] <infinity> I think I may join lilstevie...
[10:02] <ogra-cb__> victorp, err, yes
[10:02] <victorp> lol
[10:03] <lilstevie> that is a scary though
[10:03] <lilstevie> t
[10:05] <victorp> ogra-cb__, do you get this bug in your system at all? I dont
[10:05] <victorp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/884041
[10:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 884041 in ubuntu-nexus7 "Screen brightness not adjusted when switching from AC to battery" [High,Confirmed]
[10:05] <victorp> as in, it does dim
[10:06] <ogra-cb__> it didnt dim for me i think
[10:06] <fmoreau> ogra_: unfortunatly I already have nvram.txt because its located in /lib/firmware which I have copied earlier ..
[10:06] <ogra-cb__> my device is currently slightly borked due to running raring
[10:07] <ogra-cb__> so its hard to compare
[10:10] <ogra-cb__> fmoreau, well, i would actually rather blame userspace anyway, what are you using to manage the device ?
[10:12] <fmoreau> ogra-cb__: network-manager. The thing is that the error seems to be related to the driver which can't read the MAC address (that's what suggest the error from the kernel logs)
[10:14] <ogra-cb__> that message is normal i think
[10:14] <ogra-cb__> infinity, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1376788/ does that look sane (i know i'll mess it up again so please look twice :) )
[10:16] <fmoreau> ogra-cb__: I can read this for example : dhd_preinit_ioctls: can't get MAC address, error=-5
[10:24] <infinity> ogra-cb__: Should do, but please group it with the other ubuntu-preinstalled instead of hiding lubuntu in the middle. :P
[10:26] <ogra-cb__> k, i'll move it one up
[10:32] <fmoreau> ogra-cb__: do you think it could be related to wpasupplicant which is version 0.7.3 in my rootfs wherease version 1.0 on ubuntu one ?
[10:33] <ogra-cb__> yeah, something liek that
[10:33] <fmoreau> ok
[10:33] <fmoreau> will try to update that package
[10:33] <ogra-cb__> if you copied kernel, modules and firmware, there shouldnt be any reason that the kernel side doesnt work
[10:34] <fmoreau> ogra-cb__: that's what I'm thinking to
[10:34] <fmoreau> +o
[10:34] <fmoreau> but since the driver showed some errors... I was tempted to think that the driver was the culprit
[10:34] <ogra-cb__> well, i remember seeing some MAC related warnings
[10:35] <ogra-cb__> my device is currently unbootable and i'm waiting for a nnew image
[10:35] <ogra-cb__> once i booted that i'll check dmesg
[10:35] <fmoreau> thanks :)
[10:36] <fmoreau> but actually I dumped the dmesg after booting the ubuntu image
[10:36] <fmoreau> and there're much less errors than what I'm getting
[10:36] <ogra-cb__> hmm, k
[10:36] <fmoreau> this one is an example: dhd_preinit_ioctls: can't get MAC address, error=-5
[10:44] <fmoreau> ogra-cb__: BTW can the userspace be in armv7l whereas the kernel is build in armv7hl ?
[10:44] <xranby> fmoreau: yes,    because there is no "armhf" kernel   the kernel is the same for amrel and armhf
[10:45] <ogra-cb__> should theoretically work
[10:46] <fmoreau> ok thanks both
[11:10] <fmoreau> ogra-cb: same after updating wpasupplicant :(
[11:11] <fmoreau> ogra-cb: do you think that could be related to initrd ? I actually don't use it.
[11:12] <ogra-cb> not really
[11:12] <ogra-cb> the wlan driver is builtin iirc
[11:12] <ogra-cb> so onlz having the firmware in the right place counts
[12:45] <fmoreau> can't flashboot dump the 'userdata' partition so I can retrieve some dumped files on my host ?
[12:47] <ogra-cb> sadly it only works in one direction
[12:47] <ogra-cb> there aare the nandroid backup tools
[12:48] <ogra-cb> ogra@nexus7:~$ cat /var/log/installer/media-info
[12:48] <ogra-cb> Ubuntu Raring Ringtail (development branch) - armhf (20121122-11:16)
[12:48] <ogra-cb> ogra@nexus7:~$
[12:48] <ogra-cb> yay
[12:48]  * ogra-cb makes a checkmark on bug 1080747
[12:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1080747 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu Raring) "Set a build stamp for pre-installed images" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080747
[12:50] <fmoreau> ogra-cb: sad that could be really usefull sometimes
[12:56] <ogra-cb> yes, i would love to eb abe to create a backup during installlation that you can play back to the device
[13:02] <fmoreau> ogra-cb: do you know which wpa_supplicant's driver should I use ?
[13:08] <fmoreau> wext I guess
[13:13] <lilstevie> ogra-cb, are the drivers in the nvidia-tegra3 package the original r16 ones, or the r16.2 ones?
[13:17] <fmoreau> ogra-cb: where can I find the source package of wpa_supplicant used on the ubuntu image ?
[13:23] <janimo> ogra-cb, are the raring images installable and usable? I just saw they are on cdimage :)
[13:24] <janimo> fmoreau, apt-get source wpasupplicant or do you want something else?
[13:25] <fmoreau> I'd like to retrieve it from the web instead.
[13:25] <fmoreau> http://packages.ubuntu.com/fr/raring/wpasupplicant
[13:32] <janimo> fmoreau,  I usually look at LP for that for example https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpasupplicant
[13:32] <janimo> there you have links to all versions
[13:32] <ogra-cb> lilstevie, something inbetween, i got them as pre-release weeks before they showed up on developer.nvidia.com
[13:33] <lilstevie> ogra-cb, ah ok
[13:33] <ogra-cb> janimo, kind of ... still weeding out some bugs with the traball installer and the default settings are still missing (you need a kbd/mouse atm)
[13:33] <ogra-cb> janimo, and it only works for people that can use -S with fastboot
[13:34] <ogra-cb> (doesnt work on all devices)
[13:34] <ogra-cb> janimo, beyond that yes, i just did an install
[13:35] <ogra-cb> (using http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/)
[13:36] <ogra-cb> janimo, daily builds are running at 13:32 UTC every day now ... next image should show up at 15:30 UTC or so
[13:36] <ogra-cb> (if i didnt mess it up at least)
[13:45] <ogra-cb> sigh, so using resize2fs on the nexus rootfs makes the sys tem go into a reboot loop
[13:46] <ogra-cb> even when i onlz resize my slightly to small 6G rootfs
[13:46] <ogra-cb> (adding a few MB)
[13:46] <ogra-cb> sad
[13:59] <fmoreau> ogra-cb: the cmdline in boot.img is "root=/dev/mmcblk0p9 ro console=tty1 fbcon=rotate:1 quiet" but I don't think it's the one which is passed during normal boot (once the installation is finished, is it ?
[14:00] <ogra-cb> fmoreau, it is, but the bootloader prefixes it with some hardcoded stuff
[14:01] <fmoreau> oh I see
[14:06] <marvin24_> janimo, ogra-cb: any chance to build an ac100 kernel?
[14:06] <janimo> marvin24_, I can't today
[14:06] <janimo> marvin24_, new code in the branch?
[14:06] <marvin24_> janimo: not today ...
[14:06] <marvin24_> I updated to 16r2
[14:07] <marvin24_> which fixed the console problem
[14:07] <janimo> marvin24_, well not today but sometimes soon I guess :)
[14:07] <marvin24_> but introduced a different one ;-)
[14:07] <marvin24_> janimo: many thanks!
[14:07] <janimo> I wish someone else maintained that kernel in ubuntu I have not been using that device for a long time
[14:08] <marvin24_> janimo: I would if I had more time
[14:08] <marvin24_> compiling a kernel isn't the problem
[14:08] <janimo> marvin24_, I understand :)
[14:08] <marvin24_> uploading is a mess
[14:08] <marvin24_> or building a package out of it
[14:08] <marvin24_> grrr
[14:08] <janimo> marvin24_, uploading when it comes to getting upload access?
[14:08] <marvin24_> no, I mean packaging
[14:08] <janimo> marvin24_, well it is a mess I agree
[14:09] <marvin24_> I surely could upload it to the project page
[14:09] <marvin24_> maybe I can setup some scripts to make it easier locally
[14:09] <janimo> marvin24_, at least for getting testers that too would be great
[14:09] <janimo> I keep planning on making an autobuilder of debs for ac100
[14:09] <marvin24_> yeah, weekend isn't far away anymore
[14:09] <janimo> but not quite making it :(
[14:10] <janimo> marvin24_, I documented the steps used for the nexus7 kernel which I based on the ac100 one here:
[14:10] <janimo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Kernel?action=show&redirect=Nexus7%2FKernelBuild#Building_the_kernel
[14:10] <janimo> it is at least some start, and exactly what I use
[14:11] <janimo> more or less the same as you'd find on the ubuntu or linaro wiki pages
[14:11] <janimo> which it is inspired from
[14:11] <janimo> but it is only for tinkering to make a local deb not the full packaging ritual for ubuntu
[14:11] <janimo> so it is something you probably already know and do anyway
[14:12] <marvin24_> a different solution would be to add support for both machines in the same kernel
[14:12] <marvin24_> but I need to check if this would work
[14:12] <janimo> both tegra2 and tegra3 is not really doable in 3.1 eight?
[14:13] <janimo> right
[14:13] <marvin24_> it's possible in mainline kernel
[14:13] <marvin24_> but you may be right on 3.1
[14:13] <marvin24_> too many IS_TEGRA2x_SOC defines
[14:13] <janimo> I know, that is why I keep hoping we get 3.8 for ac100 in 13.04 :)
[14:13] <marvin24_> just clone my branch ;-)
[14:14] <marvin24_> I can also setup some patches against 3.8
[14:14] <janimo> marvin24_, how close are we to have it working?
[14:14] <marvin24_> to make display light up
[14:14] <tassadar_> janimo: we managed to get kexec working on nexus7 last night, is there a chance to add hardboot patches to ubuntu's kernel?
[14:14] <janimo> marvin24_, if you can make ac100 work on 3.8 we get maintenance almost for free
[14:14] <marvin24_> janimo: only display (backlight and tegra drm)
[14:14] <janimo> and not have to carry a diverging package
[14:14] <marvin24_> eh, wrong, tegra-drm was merged to 3.8
[14:14] <marvin24_> so only backlight left
[14:15] <ogra-cb> well, does it work with the binary drivers is the question
[14:15] <janimo> tassadar_, I am not familiar with what hardboot is? If you get a set of patches it will definitely be at least looked at and considered :)
[14:15] <marvin24_> janimo: it may not be until 3.9 or 3.10 before this will have a change to get merged
[14:15] <marvin24_> any none else notices that vger.kernel.org stopped to deliver mails?
[14:15] <janimo> marvin24_, if it works it does not need to be mainlined, we could carry it in ubuntu. But at least have a kernel based on 3.8 as the rest of Ubuntu will
[14:16] <marvin24_> ok, will try to create a patchset
[14:16] <janimo> marvin24_, that would be awesome
[14:16] <janimo> as long as it supports what 3.1 does I see no reason not to move to 3.8 as well
[14:16] <xnox> ogra-cb: whatever you are seeing on arm (desktop background/ubiquity not appearing for ages) I see in the VM as well.
[14:17] <janimo> same for nexus7 btw but noone has yet looked at porting those changes forward
[14:17] <ogra-cb> xnox, there was aa bug i saw passing by
[14:17] <tassadar_> kexec-hardboot - normal kexec does not work on some (most?) android devices because of the drivers, so this patch does the same thing as kexec, but with full device reboot
[14:17] <marvin24_> janimo: well, given that 3.1 broke suspend, we'll be at the same feature level ;)
[14:17] <janimo> not a prio in the current setup, where we just wanted a working device
[14:17] <janimo> marvin24_, ;)
[14:17] <ogra-cb> marvin24_, well, there are no issues on the nexus with suspend atm
[14:18] <janimo> tassadar_, as I said I am not familiar with kexec at all. The ubuntu-kernel team and its mailing list would be a much better place to bring this up
[14:18] <marvin24_> ogra-cb: yeah, it must be related to nvec code then
[14:18] <marvin24_> I don't know how nexus7 suspends though
[14:18] <janimo> or at least as a bug with optional patches filed against  the linux-nexus7 package
[14:25] <ogra-cb> libO and TB dropped from all armhf images for now
[14:25] <ogra-cb> that shoudll give us a properly sized image
[14:44] <brendand> ogra-cb, can the daily images for the nexus7 be used?
[14:48] <ogra-cb> brendand, only manually atm only on devices that can handle oversized images (fastboot -S) and you need a kbd and mouse atm
[14:48] <ogra-cb> (most of that should be fixed on monday)
[14:48] <brendand> ogra-cb, do i have one that can handle oversized images?
[14:48] <brendand> ogra-cb, keyboard - check, mouse - check
[14:49] <ogra-cb> no idea, we're not sure which ones can and which cant
[14:49] <ogra-cb> i haven an 8G one that definitely can
[14:49] <ogra-cb> *have
[14:49] <ogra-cb> waht model do you have ?
[14:49] <ogra-cb> i think the *g ones didnt have issues with it
[14:50] <ogra-cb> 8G
[14:50] <ogra-cb> Bug 1079729 has a manual step by step guide
[14:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1079729 in ubuntu-nexus7 "Ubuntu uninstallable on 32GB 3G Nexus 7" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1079729
[14:51] <ogra-cb> (you need -S 630M for the flash userdata call)
[14:52] <brendand> ogra-cb, i got mine at UDS
[14:53] <brendand> ogra-cb, if i try, what's the worst that can happen?
[14:54] <brendand> ogra-cb, mine is 16GB
[14:55] <ndec_> ogra-cb: hi! what kernel will you be using for 13.04 for omap? are you still planning to have a ti-omap4 branch?
[14:56] <ogra-cb> ndec_, that question better goes to ppisati, i know he wanted to ask robclark for feedback about necessary patches to make PVR work first
[14:57] <ndec_> well for PVR only, it's very much possible to use mainline or close to it.
[14:57] <ogra-cb> brendand, it wouldnt fail to find the rootfs and not boot (indeed you can always reflash)
[14:57] <ndec_> problems come with h/w video decode and power management...
[14:57] <ogra-cb> ah
[14:57] <ogra-cb> ppisati, ^^^
[14:58] <ogra-cb> ndec_, what will you stay on ? or is omap4 dead anyway ?
[14:58] <ndec_> hehe
[14:58] <robclark> ogra-cb, yeah, should be a matter of 3 or 4 patches to get pvr...  I have a pvr branch on my github tree which was a quick/dirty/rush rebase of pvr stuff onto one of my working branches for 3.7..
[14:59] <ogra-cb> right, i'm not super concerned about video playback, but PM sounds serious
[14:59] <ndec_> well.. and PM is much more unlikely to come from mainline soon.
[14:59] <ogra-cb> after all its up to ppisati though
[14:59] <robclark> you can always do mechanical PM  (ie. a heatsink) :-P
[15:00] <ogra-cb> hard to distribute heatsinks inside images though
[15:00] <ogra-cb> :)
[15:00] <robclark> true
[15:00] <ndec_> active power management with a fridge
[15:00] <ogra-cb> heh
[15:00] <robclark> heheh
[15:22] <ppisati> robclark: can you point me to these pvr patches for mainline?
[15:22] <ppisati> ndec_: about pm, i'll try to pick all the dvfs stuff and see how much it is
[15:23] <ppisati> ndec_: besides, there;s one thing that i never understood
[15:23] <ppisati> ndec_: mainline doesn't have DVFS, bu omap2plus work on omap4/panda
[15:23] <ppisati> ndec_: shouldn't it melt then?
[15:24] <ogra-cb> not with a heatsink :)
[15:24] <robclark> ppisati, look at https://github.com/robclark/kernel-omap4/commits/pvr at the 2nd thru 5th commits
[15:24] <robclark> ppisati, it probably runs but just not at highest clock speeds
[15:25] <ppisati> robclark: ok, i'll do
[15:25] <ppisati> and is there a dvfs branch somewhere?
[15:26] <robclark> not sure about dvfs.. I guess there are various branches with different implementations over the years.. I'm not a PM expert, but I guess it somehow ties up in common clock framework and other changes happening upstream so rebasing from an old kernel version might not be so straightforward..
[15:30] <ndec_> ppisati: no there is no dvfs branch that can be easily picked up.
[15:31] <ndec_> and don't be confused we have cpufreq support... so you can actually change the CPU freq... but that doesn't change the 'voltage'.
[15:31] <ndec_> so in effect, it's DFS, not DVFS ;-)
[15:31] <ndec_> and no changing the voltate means that you don't impact the PM...
[15:39] <fmoreau> is there a limit on the size of the image that fastboot can upload on the N7 ?
[15:39] <fmoreau> it seems that image > 700Mo make fastboot to be stuck
[15:41] <ppisati> ndec_: but correct me if i'm mistaken, when you say that the main problem with mainline is PM, you mean the lack of DVFS, right?
[15:42] <ndec_> not just DVFS... thermal management, clock gating, OFF mode...
[15:43] <ppisati> and do you have some topic branches for these?
[15:43] <ppisati> because, we picked 3.8 for R and i need to collect all the pieces
[15:44] <ppisati> even if it's not for 3.8, at least knowing what to pick is enough
[15:44] <ppisati> i'll do the rest
[16:07] <ogra-cb> fmoreau, yes, the limit is somewhere between 680 and 700M
[16:08] <fmoreau> ogra-cb: hmm is there a workaround to upload a bigger file ?
[16:08] <ogra-cb> you can use the -S option when flashing
[16:08] <ogra-cb> but its not very reliable
[16:13] <fmoreau> what does -S mean ? can't see a description for it in --help ...
[16:13] <RaYmAn> ogra-cb: fwiw, as far as I know, the reason for the limit is that it stores it temporarily on the staging partition - so the limit is the size of that (usually roughly the same as the system partition)
[16:14] <ogra-cb> ah, i always thought it uses a tmpfs
[16:30] <tassadar_> hmm, should I use the kernel-team mailing list to send patch for nexus 7 kernel? I mean isn't there like arm or nexus7 mailing list?
[16:31] <ogra-cb> no
[16:32] <ogra-cb> nexus is just another ubuntu device, ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-desktop and the kernel list should be used
[16:33] <tassadar_> okay
[16:43] <brendand> ogra-cb, will fastboot hang if i can't install the raring daily?
[16:44] <ogra-cb> yes
[16:44] <ogra-cb> you need to use -S
[16:44] <Haffe> A question. Has anyone here tried to use a usb DVB-t reciever with an arm system?
[16:45] <ogra-cb> Haffe, yes, works fine, it helpos to have a proper graphics driver for your hardware though
[16:45] <Haffe> I was looking into getting an ODROID-X to use as a PVR.
[16:51] <brendand> ogra-cb, is it okay to ctrl+c the fastboot flash userdata command?
[16:59] <ogra-cb> brendand, well, the flashing you did will be trashed indeed, but beyond that it doesnt do any harm
[17:00] <brendand> ogra-cb, i need to just run the userdata flash with -S?
[17:00] <ogra-cb> sudo fastboot -S 630M flash /path/to/unzipped/*.img
[17:01] <ogra-cb> tomorrows image will be smaller (hopefully small enough) and should eb installable without -S
[17:01] <brendand> ogra-cb, i mean, the bootimg line doesn't need it right?
[17:01] <ogra-cb> right
[17:02] <ogra-cb> only files that are to big need it, bootimg is only 8M
[17:03] <brendand> ogra-cb, i remember now - this is the option which cuts the image up into chunks, right?
[17:04] <ogra-cb> yeah
[17:04] <brendand> sparse, that's it
[17:04] <ogra-cb> apparently it has issues reassembling it sometimes
[17:04] <ogra-cb> yeah
[17:07] <brendand> ogra-cb, crap - dumped to busybox
[17:08] <brendand> /dev/mmcblk0p9 cannot be mounted
[17:08] <brendand> ah well, back to the quantal image
[17:10] <brendand> oh noes - i can't get back to fastboot mode :/
[17:10] <brendand>  phew, that was scary
[17:15] <ogra-cb> yeah, its a bit hard to get to the flash mode if the device is in constant reboot mode
[17:16] <ogra-cb> tomorrows image hopefully works
[17:16] <ogra-cb> i was told that -S doesnt break 100% of the time, so if you try over and over you might hit a successfull flash at some point
[18:28] <Tassadar> nice, successfuly kexec-hardboot-ed to ubuntu from cyanogenmod :)
[18:47] <[mbm]> cool.
[19:00] <VarmVaffel> I'm having some DNS trouble while connected to a pppd 3G USB-modem connection
[19:00] <VarmVaffel> I can't use any URLs basicly
[19:00] <VarmVaffel> but all IPs work just fine
[19:01] <VarmVaffel> I've tried changing /etc/ppp/resolv.conf to use googles <IP_ADDRESS> for instance, but it doesn't work either
[19:01] <VarmVaffel> any tips is appreciated
[19:14] <VarmVaffel> ok nvm I figured it out
[19:15] <VarmVaffel> the resolv.conf should be in /etc not /etc/ppp
[20:50] <fmoreau> how can I see if a binary is armhl or armel ?
[21:04] <infinity> fmoreau: readelf -A /path/to/binary | grep Tag_ABI_VFP_args
[21:04] <infinity> fmoreau: For armhf, it'll say "Tag_ABI_VFP_args: VFP registers"
[21:06] <fmoreau> infinity: readelf -A doesn't output anything here
[21:07] <infinity> fmoreau: Where is "here"?
[21:07] <infinity> fmoreau: It works fine on Ubuntu precise and above, at least.
[21:08] <fmoreau> infinity: I just gave it a try on my host (debian)
[21:08] <infinity> fmoreau: It also won't output much of anything useful for binaries without an eabi section.
[21:08] <infinity> fmoreau: So, anything not ARM, or anything not actually an ELF binary.
[21:09] <fmoreau> infinity: ok thanks
[21:10] <infinity> It absolutely does work on Debian, though.
[21:10] <infinity> So, I'm a little curious about what you were doing that didn't.
[21:17] <fmoreau> infinity: for example doing "readelf -A /bin/bash" on my host doesn't show anything
[21:17] <infinity> fmoreau: Yes, but what is your host?
[21:18] <fmoreau> debian wheezy
[21:18] <infinity> I meant what architecture. :P
[21:18] <fmoreau> x86-64
[21:18] <infinity> Yeah.  No extended attributes section on amd64 binaries.
[21:18] <fmoreau> ah ok
[21:18] <fmoreau> I was confused by "or anything not actually an ELF binary."
[21:19] <infinity> fmoreau: See http://paste.ubuntu.com/1378079/
[21:20] <fmoreau> I see :) thanks !
[21:22] <infinity> fmoreau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1378081/
[21:22] <infinity> fmoreau: The above being a more interesting example, since on precise, armel and armhf were identical except for sf/hf being flipped.
[21:22] <infinity> fmoreau: And you can see the only tag that changes is Tag_ABI_VFP_args
[21:22] <fmoreau> I see, so they both are armv7
[21:23] <fmoreau> but one with hfp
[21:23] <infinity> Right.
[21:23] <fmoreau> thanks for explaining :)
[21:28] <fmoreau> infinity: any idea why the touchscreen doesn't work with my rootfs ? I started X + openbox, evtest /dev/input/event0 reports some events  but the mouse cursor doesn't move on the touchscreen.
[21:36] <infinity> fmoreau: That, I have no idea about.
[21:38] <fmoreau> ok
[23:45] <ptl> hi
[23:45] <ptl> does anyone know where I can get the source for the kernel used in the Nexus7, with all patches?
[23:45] <ptl> and config
[23:46] <Tassadar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Kernel
[23:47] <Tassadar> or, the short form, git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/hwe/ubuntu-nexus7.git
[23:47] <k1l> it should be in the AOSP stuff
[23:47] <Tassadar> or do you mean the android kernel..?


[06:06] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:07] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[06:08] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and didrocks
[06:08] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, hey duflu
[06:09] <duflu> oSoMoN, I checked last night and firefox --candidate still used Xwayland (X11)
[06:09] <duflu> Did I check at the wrong time?
[06:09] <jpnurmi> good morning
[06:10] <oSoMoN> duflu, it still does by default, but now you can force native Wayland by running it with MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1
[06:10] <oSoMoN> good morning jpnurmi
[06:11] <oSoMoN> duflu, that's an improvement over the previous version in stable which forced xwayland without a way to override the setting
[06:11] <didrocks> hey duflu!
[06:11] <duflu> Ah
[06:11] <duflu> Morning jpnurmi
[06:11] <didrocks> and jpnurmi :)
[06:11] <jpnurmi> hey oSoMoN duflu didrocks
[06:11] <oSoMoN> Mozilla still considers native wayland to not be ready for default
[06:24] <duflu> oSoMoN, I think my "see how fast it should be" simple instruction for regular users will still be --beta.
[06:25] <duflu> Haven't tried Chrome/Chromium Wayland in a while now
[06:35] <oSoMoN> duflu, yeah, it's easier to recommend switching channels than to instruct running with an environment variable
[06:35] <oSoMoN> the downside is that they are running beta software
[06:43] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[06:45] <duflu> Hi seb128
[06:45] <duflu> How's Copenhagen?
[06:46] <seb128> duflu, quite nice, though a bit cold!
[06:46] <seb128> the week has been productive but also quite exhausting
[06:46] <seb128> I'm glad it is friday
[06:47] <seb128> duflu, how are you doing?
[06:48] <duflu> seb128, not bad. I should have the vbox issue solved today and then it's mother's day weekend
[06:49] <duflu> Oh we have a meeting in the middle
[06:52] <seb128> duflu, speaking of meeting, we should probably skip, most of the people who would usually join the early one are at a sprint or travelling
[06:53] <duflu> seb128, want to make the cancellation official in Calendar?
[06:55] <seb128> duflu, deleted
[07:25] <tjaalton> hi, nautilus 42.1 is in jammy sru queue, but kinetic is still on 42.0?
[07:26] <tjaalton> jbicha: ^
[07:30] <tjaalton> also, I think the sru version should be put in kinetic, and a new upload with a lower revision uploaded to jammy
[08:20] <ricotz> hello desktopers!
[08:20] <ricotz> hey oSoMoN didrocks duflu jpnurmi seb128 tjaalton
[08:21] <duflu> Hi ricotz
[08:32] <didrocks> hey ricotz
[08:36] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz
[09:46] <jbicha> tjaalton: nautilus 42.1 was uploaded to the jammy queue before kinetic was open for development, but yes, I'll probably upload a -2 to kinetic soon
[10:17] <seb128> jbicha, I did that
[10:21] <jbicha> seb128: I'm missing the cold weather already 🥵 😆
[10:30] <seb128> haha
[11:50] <jpnurmi> hey ricotz
[11:50] <jpnurmi> better late than never? :)
[12:38] <tjaalton> jbicha: yup, accepted now
[13:42] <diddledani> firefox beta channel from snap store works on yootoobe at 4k! https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4g03BILv/image.png
[13:42] <diddledani> in windows
[13:42] <diddledani> yey for my WSL+systemd work to enable snapos!
[13:51] <diddledani> pip works, tho it doesn't stay always on top https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VUVusN2t/image.png
[13:52] <diddledani> you can even turn off the window border to use CSDs https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Myt6hxHt/image.png
[14:00] <oSoMoN> cool
[14:18] <diddledani> for those tests I used beta channel with MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND - 4k yootoobe playback worked well for me, but I can't determine whether it was doing any hardware decoding or not
[14:20] <diddledani> also this was without strict confinement - no apparmor in the WSL2 OOTB kernel


[23:26] <mmance> I have my maas setup and post-install tasks completed.  When I pxe boot, I get unable to find pxelinux.0
[23:27] <mmance> I was reading that tftp is done in python built into maas, I am not sure what I am suppose to be looking for to troubleshoot
[23:35] <mmance> well, so somewhere in the document it could say that you won't be able to pxe boot until boot images are imported.
[23:35] <mmance> fixed


[01:55] <nigel_c> BenC: ping
[01:57] <nigel_c> Guess not. I'm away for a while. Just wanting to find out what the status is with Suspend2, and whether I can do anything to help get it in.
[01:58] <nigel_c> I have changes coming to remove the page_alloc.c modifications, and will be shifting /proc/suspend2 to /sys/power if that makes any diff.
[05:13] <BenC> kylem: ping
[05:26] <nigel_c> BenC: ping
[05:39] <BenC> nigel_c: hey, suspend2 is looking a little iffy for edgy...I'm talking to some people that handle suspend things more than I do in userspace to see if it really is right for us
[05:39] <BenC> there's a lot of infrastructure changes that I'm not sure we can do
[05:39] <nigel_c> What can I do to help it be less iffy?
[05:39] <nigel_c> (If anything)
[05:49] <BenC> get me an all encompassing userspace solution to convert to suspend2 :)
[05:49] <BenC> the kernel side is easy, it's the userspace that is hard
[05:49] <BenC> initramfs-tools, gnome-power-manager, etc...
[05:49] <nigel_c> ack. I thought one of them was going to add suspend2 support.
[05:50] <nigel_c> You've heard of Bernard's hibernate script? But I guess you want a gui.
[05:51] <nigel_c> I'll go hassle the gnome-power-manager guys then, shall I? :)
[05:54] <nigel_c> Hmm. The gnome-power-manager faq makes it sound like they have suspend2 support.
[05:54] <nigel_c> (Looking at http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/gnome-power-manager/docs/faq.html)
[05:56] <BenC> that's the stuff that I don't know about
[05:56] <BenC> I don't want to upload it and then have a few hundred bug reports about it not working with "UI foo"
[05:57] <nigel_c> That makes sense.
[05:57] <BenC> plus I've heard varying degrees of "it's great" to "it's crack", so I'm a little leary about it still
[05:58] <nigel_c> Yeah. We could do with a good gui that makes setting everything suspend2 related really easy.
[05:59] <nigel_c> In your last comment, it = suspend2, the hibernate script or something else?
[06:02] <BenC> suspend2's kernel code
[06:02] <nigel_c> k


[00:01] <cloakable> yes
[00:01] <cloakable> your regular users can create them, though
[00:01] <Tim_R> ok
[00:01] <cloakable> ~/public_html
[00:01] <Tim_R> is there anyway that I can limit the space to 25mb
[00:02] <cloakable> using quotas
[00:02] <cloakable> but that's not an apache thing, and not something I'm familiar with
[00:03] <Tim_R> ok
[00:03] <Tim_R> well thanks cloakable for your help
[00:08] <ruben23> hi guys
[00:08] <ruben23> how do i used and install rt-kernel..?
[00:08] <ruben23> fo ubuntu-server
[00:39] <pmatulis> ruben23: install the package i guess
[00:43] <ruben23> whats the features of rt kernel compare to others
[02:42]  * Pirate_Hunter realises stupidity doesn't pay
[07:13] <k5673> So...
[07:14] <k5673> Hello there!
[07:14] <k5673> And the crowd exploded!
[07:14] <k5673> OK
[07:15] <k5673> I want to set up a LTSP server, using 10.04
[07:16] <k5673> And, for my terminalz, i have some old Pentium 2's with 128 MB RAM, WOL, PXE, and all the thing.
[07:17] <k5673> Is factible a setup like that?
[07:17] <k5673> Using those oldies as terminals?
[07:17] <k5673> Or are these too old?
[10:18] <Roxyhart0> hi There, somebody has intalled fail2ban?
[10:18] <Roxyhart0> any "how to" ?
[10:45] <ph-x> Roxyhart0: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fail2ban
[10:46] <Roxyhart0> thanks very much!
[13:36] <obscurant1st> can somebody tell me how can i connect to internet through wifi inx64 ubuntu server, if i know the access point name n password
[13:36] <obscurant1st> ?
[13:38] <jpds> obscurant1st: See: man wpa_supplicant.conf
[13:38] <obscurant1st> jpds, oh, ok. thx
[13:39] <obscurant1st> and btw one more thing, how can i bring up the network configuring thing, i mean if manage to get the network cable n connect to router directly
[13:39] <jpds> [Though I would strongly recommend Ethernet for servers.]
[13:40] <jpds> obscurant1st: Ah, hmm; can you get a KVM on the machine?
[13:41] <obscurant1st> KVM? i saw it failed to start, but not sure when it came!
[13:41] <obscurant1st> but frankly i dont know whts KVM
[13:41] <jpds> keyboard, video and mouse.
[13:42] <obscurant1st> oh, but when i typed sudo kvm, my system haged. anyway i am able to type and everything, but i cant use mouse
[13:42] <obscurant1st> hang*
[13:45] <obscurant1st> jpds, you there?
[14:55] <candyban_> I have the module "xt_iprange" loaded. When I try to load the rule "-A FORWARD -p tcp -m range --dst-range <IP_ADDRESS>-<IP_ADDRESS> --dport smtp   -j ACCEPT" using iptables-restore, I get the error "iptables-restore v1.4.4: Couldn't load match `range':/lib/xtables/libipt_range.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". When I hardlink libxt_range.so to libipt_range.so, I get the error "iptables-restore v1.
[14:55] <candyban_> 4.4: Couldn't load match `range':(null)"
[14:56] <candyban_> ubuntu server (10.04)
[14:58] <melter> does anyone know if i set GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT to true, if the kernel is upgraded and I reboot, will i get the updated version of the selection the next time i reboot?
[14:59] <melter> i have 2 installs on sda and sdb. for now, i always want to boot from the latest kernel on sda, but the sdb kernels are first on the grub list
[15:00] <melter> as sdb gets upgraded, the sda kernels are further down the list, so i can't boot from a specific menu item number
[15:03] <melter> it'd be nice if GRUB_DEFAULT supported regular expressions and booted the first match, ".*sda"
[15:06] <candyban_> nm my problem. should have been -m iprange instead
[15:06] <RoyK> I'm trying to umount /var, which is on a separate filesystem. The data has been moved and according to lsof/fuser no files are open. still, linux report filesystem busy
[15:06] <RoyK> any idea what to try next?
[15:07] <candyban_> RoyK, perhaps there are still files in state "deleted"?
[15:07] <RoyK> lsof usually reports those as well
[15:07] <candyban_> RoyK, depends what you grepped for ;)
[15:09] <RoyK> last I checked, lsof reports the path of the deleted file
[15:12] <RoyK> all processes are stopped, except sshd
[15:12] <RoyK> and I have no serial console on this one
[15:12] <RoyK> since the box is located 50km from here, gambling on a restart is no good
[15:33] <RoyK> damn - no open files on /var, but still I can't umount it
[15:33] <RoyK> any ideas how to troubleshoot this?
[15:33] <pmatulis> RoyK: maybe pastebin output to 'df -hT' and 'mount'
[15:34] <RoyK> http://pastebin.com/76yA5Ewg
[15:34] <RoyK> ah
[15:34] <RoyK> wait
[15:35] <RoyK> no...
[15:35] <RoyK> http://pastebin.com/Z9A5uM9e
[15:35] <Psi-Jack> Anyone here happen to know much about Radius, and what software is advisable for setting up a Radius server for authentication in vpn and wireless WPA2-Pro?
[15:36] <RoyK> Psi-Jack: freeradius is in the repositories, works for me (tm)
[15:37] <Psi-Jack> freeradius, eh? By chance is there any ubuntu how-tos like there was a very nice and simple one for openvpn?
[15:38] <RoyK> google that
[15:39] <pmatulis> RoyK: were you in /var when trying to umount by any chance?  also, try just 'lsof /var'
[15:41] <RoyK> pmatulis: no, and I couldn't find a single open file in there - umount -l /var worked, though
[15:41] <pmatulis> RoyK: ok
[15:42] <RoyK> now I just hope the box comes up again :þ
[15:42] <melter> does update-grub only update the config files, or does it also install to the mbr?
[15:42] <RoyK> seems it's my lucky day :)
[15:44] <RoyK> melter: iirc grub understand the filesystem, and doesn't need to be reinstalled into the mbr for every change, like the case of lilo
[15:44] <melter> RoyK: after running update-grub, the order of the menuitems in /boot/grub/grub.cfg doesn't match what i see when i boot
[15:45] <RoyK> hm. don't know, then, I don't know grub2 too well (yet)
[15:46] <melter> also, if i have 2 ubuntu installs on diff hard drives, which config would it use?
[15:47] <RoyK> it will boot from the grub on the drive you set as primary boot in the BIOS, then grub will take over and boot whatever OS you configure it to
[16:03] <RoyK> anyone here using zfs-fuse? seems it's rather buggy http://pastebin.com/P8672MbC
[16:12] <melter> thanks RoyK, i understand this grub2 stuff better now
[16:12] <melter> i switched drives, and i got an error 17 from an ancient grub1 install on that hd, so i updated that, too
[16:16] <bogeyd6> RoyK, seems or do you have enough evidence to file a bug report?
[16:17] <RoyK> seems so, yes
[16:17] <bogeyd6> !worksforme | royk
[16:18] <RoyK> I've been working with zfs for a year or so now on s20/osol/nexenta, but the ubuntu implementation doesn't seem too good
[16:18] <bogeyd6> !google | royk
[16:18] <bogeyd6> gentle reminders good sir :)
[16:19] <RoyK> bogeyd6: I asked him to google it, because google has simply more info about that than I have. I have setup a few radius servers, but not from scratch. If you have any info on the subject, please tell
[16:20] <helpme> hello
[16:20] <RoyK> hi
[16:20] <helpme> i have no VT in processor
[16:20] <helpme> how i use KVM
[16:20] <helpme> ubuntu donot support xen also
[16:20] <helpme> i having problem in getting xen tools
[16:21] <bogeyd6> !vmware | helpme
[16:22] <RoyK> helpme: 	http://kurl.no/cBTh
[16:22] <helpme> never tried VMWare is it consume less ram?
[16:23] <RoyK> helpme: virutalisation is the same, more or less, whatever the platform
[16:23] <RoyK> helpme: get a VT compliant cpu, a truckload of RAM and you're in business
[16:24] <helpme> iwant host plateform take s less ram ,hehe yes roy K : )
[16:24] <bogeyd6> RoyK, if using openvpn and needing authentication it would have been more proper to mention the openvpn docs and the x509 certs
[16:24] <RoyK> bogeyd6: I've never used openvpn - sorry
[16:25] <bogeyd6> RoyK, so why dispense advice on a works for me basis?
[16:25] <bogeyd6> time for lunch, adios
[16:25] <helpme> hehe
[16:25] <RoyK> bogeyd6: cut the trolling
[16:26] <bogeyd6> no trolling :)
[16:26] <RoyK> I§ve never dispensed any of your advices
[16:26] <bogeyd6> just trying to help you be a better support person in #ubuntu-server
[16:26] <helpme> i am trying for virtual bx,consume more rambut better here with ubuntu than windows
[16:26] <RoyK> except those of a few days ago where you talked about 10% filesystem overhead
[16:29] <helpme> The PPP daemon has died: A modem hung up the phone (exit code = 16)
[16:29] <helpme> wht is this problem
[16:29] <helpme> it is occuring every now and thanin ubuntu
[16:29] <helpme> need any changes in wvdial.conf ?
[16:31] <helpme> where people like me will go who use older machine,they also removed xen-tools ,
[16:34] <bogeyd6> helpme, there are several distros, but you also have the ability to install packages from previous versions and building your own
[16:34] <RoyK> helpme: if you're on older hardware, why not use 8.04 or something?
[16:35] <RoyK> newer distros get upgraded for the newer hardware
[16:35] <bogeyd6> 8.04 has what like 3 more years support
[16:35] <RoyK> that's the reason of LTS
[16:35] <RoyK> 8.04 is supported until 2013.04
[16:36] <helpme> i have hardy ,but not able to get xen-tools
[16:36] <helpme>  iget an error
[16:37] <RoyK> well, helpme, if you get an error, saying so won't help you much, but if you paste (or pastebin) the message, we might be able to help you
[16:38] <bogeyd6> !pastebin
[16:38] <helpme> http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/010184.html
[16:38] <helpme> ops
[16:38] <helpme> not this
[16:40] <helpme> it says trying to overwrie /etc/bash/completion.d/xm' which is also a package of bash-completion <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2
[16:41] <helpme> while installing xen-tools 3.9
[16:42] <helpme> that was an error and dpkg stop installing it
[16:46] <helpme> um roy K
[16:46] <helpme> ?
[16:48] <RoyK> no idea
[16:51] <helpme> oh no!!!!
[16:52] <helpme> kinda easy all these things in windows,linux requires more skills
[16:53] <helpme> one problem solved anoher facing ahead
[16:54] <helpme> royk you live in norway ?
[16:55] <Psi-Jack> RoyK: Hmm..
[16:56] <helpme> umits cold there every month of year ?
[16:56] <Psi-Jack> RoyK: Do you deal with Radius and TLS at all? I have a 3Com WAP PoE that I'm trying to hook into my radius, but it's failing I think because of: "read:fatal:unknown CA
[16:57] <helpme> dont you do jet ski
[17:15] <Doonz> hey guys if im currently running 9.10 how can i upgrade to 10.4lts?
[17:16] <helpme> system>update manager
[17:17] <helpme> or
[17:17] <helpme> do-upgrade release
[17:17] <Doonz> thnx
[17:17] <RoyK> helpme: I do
[17:18] <RoyK> Psi-Jack: haven't tried radius with TLS, no
[17:18] <helpme> woah nice ,how much ice you eat while sking
[17:18] <helpme> hehe
[17:18] <helpme> or you are nice skieng
[17:18] <helpme> ?
[17:19] <RoyK> I don't ski that much
[17:19] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[17:19] <helpme> nowWay heaven on earth
[17:19] <helpme> what are those greenlights?seenin sky
[17:19] <RoyK> helpme: currently there's no snow here either, except in the mountains
[17:19] <helpme> nohern lights
[17:20] <helpme> northern*
[17:20] <RoyK> nothern lights I've seen, but it's far too light now
[17:20] <RoyK> northern, even
[17:20] <RoyK> sun sets at about nine in the evening now
[17:20] <RoyK> up north, it doesn't set
[17:20] <helpme> kewl
[17:20] <helpme> haha.so much work
[17:21] <helpme> all day up
[17:21] <helpme> lol
[17:21] <RoyK> I'm going to Tromsø in a couple of weeks for some work and a rock festival - midninght sun.....
[17:22] <RoyK> helpme: where're you from?
[17:22] <helpme> india
[17:22] <RoyK> ok
[17:22] <RoyK> at least you don't have the winters we have
[17:22] <RoyK> Norwegian winters can be rather tough
[17:23] <helpme> i have rememberace to norway i was supposed to go there as my friend was moving from latvia to norway ,but than she didnt
[17:23] <RoyK> summer temperature here is 20-25˚C, perhaps 30˚ at the best
[17:23] <helpme> yes i guess,but like ice ,asi seen only once here india at kashmir
[17:23] <helpme> snow*
[17:24] <RoyK> it's a nice view, but when it gets below -20˚C, it's not so nice anymore
[17:25] <RoyK> I guess it's the same with heat waves, except it's easier to dress for cold weather
[17:25] <helpme> yes no way out of home,snow everywhere ,all ways are closed
[17:26] <RoyK> I live in Oslo, we don't get that much snow here
[17:26] <helpme> yes,hot climate here tends to get to 45 c now a days,
[17:26] <RoyK> Tromsø is worse
[17:26] <helpme> yes oslo is international airport
[17:26] <RoyK> the airport is some way north of Oslo
[17:27] <RoyK> 70km or so
[17:27] <helpme> um
[17:28] <RoyK> where in India do you live?
[17:28] <helpme> rajasthan
[17:28] <RoyK> I've spoken to some Indians that live here, and when they came her, they were like "where are all the people?"
[17:29] <helpme> your name similar to indian name
[17:29] <RoyK> norway is not as densly populated as india
[17:29] <RoyK> my name`
[17:29] <RoyK> ?
[17:29] <RoyK> roy is my first name, from gælic, meaning red
[17:29] <helpme> yes,ROYis bengali surname
[17:29] <RoyK> lol
[17:29] <helpme> ah okay
[17:30] <RoyK> Sigurd is my second first-name, meaning "the holder of victory" or something like that, from old norse (sigur = victory, urd = past)
[17:31] <RoyK> Karlsbakk is an old family name from western norway
[17:31] <helpme> kewl
[17:31] <helpme> who kept yoru name yoru mum or dad
[17:31] <RoyK> my last name, Karlsbakk, is from the small farm where my daddy grew up
[17:32] <RoyK> Sigurd is my father's name, and mom wanted me to have that in the addition of my first name
[17:33] <RoyK> how do names work in India?
[17:33] <helpme> names in india, last name is from father surname that also represent caste
[17:33] <helpme> and first name is choice
[17:34] <RoyK> so the caste thing is still somehow living?
[17:34] <helpme> and it have also meaning
[17:34] <RoyK> so tell me your name, and the meaning of it
[17:34] <helpme> like sarvjit ..wins everything
[17:36] <helpme> my name ...help =help and me = me
[17:37] <RoyK> no, your real name
[17:37] <helpme> aaditya my first name
[17:37] <helpme> mean s may be sun
[17:37] <helpme> donot know but ,
[17:38] <helpme> back
[17:42] <helpme> so my name is aaditya means sun
[17:42] <helpme> bug bug bug ,run run run .
[21:44] <amstan> hey guys, i'm trying to make a script that'll manage a daemon
[21:45] <amstan> thing is that the daemon is not really designed to run like that
[21:45] <amstan> how could i chdir before running it? or run it with the proper working dir
[21:45] <amstan> this script should run from cron too
[22:30] <Todd> Why is python-gtkhtml2 no longer available? It doesn't work with Python > 2.6?
[23:24] <ocatacoo> hello?
[23:25] <ocatacoo> is anyone in here?
[23:27] <ocatacoo> does anyone know of a good resource on named.cof
[23:27] <ocatacoo> cnf


[17:21] <firl> Anyone know of an easy way with juju-gui to enable a openstack-base deployment to accept juju configurations? I am looking through ( https://jujucharms.com/docs/1.24/howto-privatecloud )


[17:11] <matt14> i tried to install ubuntu on my computer. durin the installation it says error input/ output error durin read on /dev/ sda. i tried a bunch of things and eventually was forced to click ignore. no more problems durin the installation. it completes n i restart the computer. now when i start it up it is a purple n has a few option and all of em say killin /dev/sda n wont start up
[17:13] <matt14> any help?
[17:15] <bioterror> sounds like hard drive problems
[17:15] <bioterror> if it gives i/o errors on /dev/sda
[17:15] <matt14> its a brand new hard drive
[17:15] <matt14> got it in febuary
[17:15] <bioterror> it does not mean that it can be broken
[17:15] <matt14> how can i fix it?
[17:15] <bioterror> cant be
[17:16] <bioterror> have you tried to reinstall again?
[17:16] <matt14> yeah twice
[17:16] <matt14> everytime i get an error
[17:18] <matt14> anythin i can do?
[17:18] <bioterror> somekind of drive test/check could be okay
[17:20] <matt14> how cn i do that? im on my laptop now on ubuntu. i plugged in the disk n wrote try ubuntu n thats how im on. not legit hard drive
[17:22] <bioterror> your laptop could have such a thing in a BIOS
[17:23] <matt14> does ubuntu hv it software center cuz im on ubuntu now so...
[21:43] <volan> i am trying to remotely help my father setup a dsl connection from 300 miles away. When I originally setup up the box (11.10), I thought it was odd because the connection just worked. I didn't even have to enter a password. Now months later it has stopped working and the provider (dsl extreme) says they do not support ubuntu.
[21:43] <volan> we have walked through the suggestions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1471587.html
[21:44] <volan> but i have not been able to find any help when pppoeconf doesn't work
[21:44] <volan> it says:
[21:46] <volan> orry, I scanned 1 interface, but the Access  Concentrator of your provider did not respond. Please
[21:46] <volan>  check your network and modem cables. Another reason for the scan failure may also be another running pppoe  process which controls the modem.
[21:48] <volan> how can i tell if there is another "pppoe" process running?
[23:09] <holstein> volan: i would just give him a router
[23:11] <holstein> can you get it working? sure... can you explain to him how? maybe not... i would have him call the ISP and just say "i dont know what OS i run"


[12:18] <smartboyhw_> len-k: How's Kubuntu?
[13:16] <madeinkobaia> Hi all.
[13:16] <len-k> hello
[13:20] <madeinkobaia> Hi len-k. I just heard that Ray Manzarek left the place.
[13:20] <len-k> ok... I have trouble putting names with nicks etc.
[13:21] <len-k> sorry
[13:24] <madeinkobaia> len-k : No problems : )
[13:25] <len-k> So the name rings a bell, but I can't place it.
[13:26] <madeinkobaia> len-k : The keyboard player from The Doors.
[13:26] <len-k> Ah, so as in left the place you mean like earth?
[13:26] <len-k> I haven't heard about the doors in a long time.
[13:27] <madeinkobaia> len-k : Sort of, he will not play keyboard until his next re-incarnation I think.
[13:28] <len-k> I think Mr Lord played pretty close till his death (deep purple)
[13:29] <madeinkobaia> len-k : Indeed
[18:24] <zequence> pulseaudio fix is merged, but yet not uploaded to the -proposed repo
[20:30] <len-k> zequence: I am looking at kubuntu. The menu has tabs. One of which is the applications menu. It would be really nice if we could break that tab into two tabs. One for desktop applications and one for studio applications.
[20:31] <len-k> I am also realizing that a KDE based Studio should use the KDE versions of things.
[20:32] <len-k> (gnome would be the same)
[20:33] <len-k> I am talking about things like terminal, PA control, software updater, etc.
[20:33] <len-k> Even web browser could be.
[21:57] <zequence> len-k: KDE is probably the most different from the rest. Seems like there's a K version for just about everything
[21:57] <zequence> I was thinking about this before
[21:58] <zequence> If keeping all DEs on the ISO, it might save some space if sharing some applications between if not all, then most of the DEs
[21:58] <len-k> I was thinking about it when I used the terminal and thinking that it would need to be different in the kde version
[21:59] <len-k> I think I want to use the stock menu for each DE as much as possible.
[22:00] <len-k> Settings things will need to be DE matched.
[22:08] <len-k> zequence: lsc (lubuntu or light SW center) is a lot quicker than USC.
[22:08] <len-k> It still needs work though.
[22:12] <len-k> xubuntu is thinking of using it if
[22:18] <len-k> I think we should start a thread on the mailing list about common apps for all DEs and separate.
[22:48] <zequence> I personally would like to get some working metas going first. Do tests with the mini.iso, and install the DEs and see what is working or not first
[22:48] <zequence> Then start to work on package selection
[22:48] <zequence> I'd like to see what the problems are
[23:21] <madeinkobaia> For those who're still on board,  ahoy !
[23:27] <madeinkobaia> Hi smartboyhw : )
[23:29] <smartboyhw> Hi madeinkobaia, I got a surprise holiday today, a Black Rainstorm Warning and all students are banned for school
[23:29] <smartboyhw> Well, I can at least do a lot of listening papers then for the English Listening Exam tmr.
[23:30] <smartboyhw> And the Chinese one on Friday
[23:31] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : I will check what is a "black rainstorm" ; )
[23:33] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : Damn seems terrific, no problems by your side ?
[23:33] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: Safe @ home.
[23:34] <smartboyhw> madeinkkbaia: Basically, it means hourly rainfall is more than 70mm
[23:34] <smartboyhw> And this time, over 100
[23:35] <smartboyhw> … The first Black Rainstorm Warning in THREE years
[23:36] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : Damn.
[23:37] <smartboyhw> yeah…
[23:40] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : How is the weather context now ?
[23:41] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: Bad with thunderstorms and lightning.
[23:42] <zequence> damn, my HD is starting to sound like a purring cat
[23:42] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : No words, just taking care of your self and family, can't do nothing more in that context : (
[23:43] <smartboyhw> Heh
[23:43] <zequence> We had lightning and heavy rain today too
[23:43] <smartboyhw> No worries
[23:43] <zequence> But, nothing like that
[23:43] <smartboyhw> zequence: Oh really?
[23:43] <zequence> The lightning was really close. Sounded like someone was blowing something up just a few hundred meters away
[23:43] <zequence> Didn't sound like regular lightning. No big thunder
[23:44] <zequence> Because it was so close
[23:44] <zequence> Then some refreshing rain
[23:44] <smartboyhw> I can actually see lightning…
[23:50] <len-k> smartboyhw: how much do you know about kde?
[23:52] <smartboyhw> len-k: In what aspects?
[23:52] <madeinkobaia> "When the still sea comspires an armor and her sullen and aborted currents breeds tiny monsters..."
[23:53] <len-k> the K button in the lower left... it opens a box with 5 tabs. Can I add another tab?
[23:54] <smartboyhw> len-k: I think so.
[23:54] <smartboyhw> It's just code:P
[23:54] <len-k> I was thinking it would be nice to have another menu tab just for studio stuff
[23:54] <len-k> I just have to find the config for it I guess
[23:54] <smartboyhw> Should be kde-workspace or something, but let me check with the official Kubuntu devs…
[23:58] <len-k> smartboyhw: what is the minimal system a KDE user would expect?