[01:01] <mchelen2> i may have forgotten to put the i/o shield into the case during my last build, resulting in having to take out the whole mobo again :D
[01:04] <daftykins> doh!
[01:04] <daftykins> when you get those cheap metal ones with the little lips that need to sit on top of IO ports for grounding, sometimes i've assembled things with those picking inside a LAN port say and had to start over
[01:04] <daftykins> very frustrating, those
[01:22] <mchelen2> yeah i'm kind of surprised they haven't improved much after all these years
[01:22] <mchelen2> i was impressed with other aspects of the case, like mounting options & cable management
[07:00] <ducasse> hi all
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:45] <EriC^^> wow
[15:45] <EriC^^> that was funny
[15:46] <ducasse> what a f*****g twit.
[15:47] <ducasse> a small nsfw warning would have been nice.
[15:49] <EriC^^> :D
[15:49] <EriC^^> lol
[15:49] <EriC^^> he just upped the anti
[15:50] <dax> oh jesus
[15:50] <daftykins> do tell (:
[15:50] <ducasse> wth is wrong with this guy?
[15:51] <EriC^^> some guy pasted this relating to his no flash working query https://ptpb.pw/7684
[15:51] <dax> (NSFW)
[15:51] <ducasse> daftykins: "oh noes, pr0n doesn't work"
[15:51] <daftykins> hmm that actually just opened as a page of unicode or some such to me
[15:51] <EriC^^> daftykins: yeah
[15:52] <dax> generally the ones that aren't messing around find a better test case
[15:52] <EriC^^> lol
[15:52] <EriC^^> wget https://ptpb.pw/7684 && xdg-open 7684
[15:52] <daftykins> i got my 7 year old RMA'd RAM replacements today :D all in and working!
[15:53] <EriC^^> great :D
[15:53] <daftykins> they sent it before i even sent mine, which was quite unfortunate for their policy
[15:54] <daftykins> i could've held onto mine too if i were a naughty type of fella :P
[15:59] <EriC^^> i've been going on a lot of shopping sprees at the supermarket lately
[16:00] <EriC^^> the shopping cart looks kind of funny, it's full of stuff like a 9 year old got some money and went shopping, tons of skittles, fruit loops, whip cream cans, etc
[16:01] <ducasse> daftykins: you had the das keyboard, right? blank keys?
[16:01] <EriC^^> i basically eat whip cream, then down some hershey's chocolate syrup
[16:01] <EriC^^> eat skittles and cake etc
[16:01] <EriC^^> you know, the healthy life
[16:02] <daftykins> ducasse: yep
[16:02] <daftykins> still here on a spare chair behind me, relegated to nothing right now
[16:03] <ducasse> daftykins: happy with that? did it take much effort getting used to?
[16:03] <daftykins> though for typing i definitely miss the cherry blues, really nice feel to those - just a shame it started playing up so much
[16:03] <daftykins> ah i could always touch type, the only problems are if someone phoned and i had to hold it with one hand, tough to one handed type on blank - or if you want to quickly type something standing up beside the desk, that sort of thing
[16:04] <ducasse> that was what i was thinking of. i don't look at the keys normally, but in situations like that i do.
[16:05] <ducasse> it'd be _hilarious_ when my mother is visiting and wants to use my machine, though. that + my i3 setup = confusion :)
[16:08] <daftykins> :)
[16:08] <daftykins> yep friends would come over and struggled big time, i was really shocked
[16:10] <ducasse> you could have also switched the layout to dvorak ;)
[16:11] <daftykins> no, that's too extreme - compatibility with others for peoples systems i'd work on is more important to me
[16:11] <daftykins> messing with someone elses settings = a huge idiot move
[16:11] <daftykins> (such as if i was at a clients, for example)
[16:12] <ducasse> that is _not_ nice, i agree. i was thinking more of others trying to use a blank keyboard with dvorak layout on your system.
[16:14] <daftykins> ah right, haha
[16:14] <daftykins> my mistake
[16:14] <ducasse> you are right about the compatibility thing, that must slow people who normally use dvorak down, wouldn't it? i don't know if i could keep two so different layouts in muscle memory.
[16:16] <daftykins> mmm too risky for me to consider trying
[16:16] <daftykins> plus laptops...
[16:16] <daftykins> ones that i daren't even imagine taking a key off of :D
[16:17] <ducasse> no point in learning dvorak when you touch type on qwerty, i think...
[16:18] <ducasse> i know they claim it's faster, but doubt there can be enough difference to matter.
[16:24] <ducasse> daftykins: have fun installing the new ram, btw, i've got to either install that damned cpu cooler or get on with trying to grok routeros...
[16:24] <daftykins> yeah, the effort to re-learn would be huge
[16:24] <daftykins> oh i did it already, ran a pass of memtest86+ and it's all good :)
[16:25] <daftykins> so now i have  2 x core 2 quad PCs with 8GB RAM
[16:25] <ducasse> should be, with new sticks :)
[16:25] <daftykins> yeah just nice to give it some work
[16:25] <daftykins> what i was getting with the last RAM was that if i turned it off and unplugged the mains cable, in 10 minutes it wouldn't POST again
[16:26] <daftykins> pretty sure the motherboard it was in that has blown capacitors zapped it in some really subtle way
[16:26] <ducasse> sounds probable. i need to get some more memory for this laptop, but i need to get authentic hp sticks...
[16:29] <daftykins> you might not have them there but i love just going to www.crucial.com/uk as they guarantee compatibility if you pick the system - free return if it doesn't work, too
[16:30] <ducasse> i tried putting another disk (an ssd) in this laptop, and it refused to recognize it.
[16:33] <daftykins> hmm that's weird
[16:33] <daftykins> standard 2.5" SATA?
[16:33] <ducasse> yup. didn't see it at all.
[16:34] <ducasse> tried another hdd, even from another hp, but no go as it wasn't on the "approved parts" list.
[16:34] <daftykins> ugh i find it really wrong the companies that whitelist hardware, like Lenovo/IBM with wifi cards
[16:35] <ducasse> yep, it's just greedy to do so.
[16:36] <ducasse> it's not like i would have expected them to support it.
[16:37] <daftykins> i'm meant to go to the west coast again today for a restaurant meal with friends, though it's solid rain all evening and tomorrow - and i was planning to cycle
[16:38] <ducasse> sounds like you need a new plan :) how was the bbq?
[16:39] <daftykins> yeah pretty good thanks :) good fun showing up and parking by bike beside their house, seeing them in the kitchen through the window
[16:39] <daftykins> pulled my phone out and messaged my friend saying "hey, look left!"
[16:39] <daftykins> left at 1:30am and man the ride home was a strain
[16:40] <daftykins> proper up and down valleys despite the relatively short distance
[16:40] <daftykins> hmm yesterday i struggled to boot a 14.04.1 server DVD, might try again
[16:41] <ducasse> i did that to a friend around the time the first matrix movie came out, sms'ed him "knock, knock" before ringing the bell. just couldn't resist :)
[16:42] <ducasse> oh god
[16:42] <ducasse> damn cat came in with a bird.
[16:45] <daftykins> D:
[16:47] <ducasse> not a dead one, to put it that way. started flapping around in the bathroom. unfortunately for the bird, she caught it again before i did :)
[16:48] <daftykins> i'll never forget the time i heard a noise in the kitchen, went to open the door and all i saw was a bird flying straight for my face... managed to close the door again just before XD
[16:50] <ducasse> i hate it when she does that, but it's a package deal kind of thing. most of the time i need to catch them and get them out, that can be tricky. mice are much easier :)
[16:51] <ducasse> why wouldn't the 14.04 server image boot, btw?
[16:52] <daftykins> mmm not sure, it just froze up during the load
[16:52] <daftykins> just about to swap it over and have a go, although i have to be at this restaurant in 2hours :(
[16:53] <daftykins> all these social obligations stop me from geeking out with fun things
[16:53] <ducasse> froze while booting?
[16:54] <daftykins> you know how server has the text installer? it was kind of the first purple screen before you'd get the first question asked, it just stopped loading there - probably a sign of the old optical drive more than anything
[16:54] <daftykins> i might just install to the disk from a flash drive in a machine with working USB, then transplant it
[16:54] <ducasse> ah, vc4 has the installer log, you know?
[16:55] <daftykins> hrmm if it doesn't behave normally i tend to think it's not worthy of my time
[16:58] <daftykins> nice, PC still boots up after being unplugged :D RAM was definitely the culprit
[16:58] <ducasse> one small victory :)
[16:59] <daftykins> oh no that one bad module had me chasing red herrings for ages
[17:00] <ducasse> if memtest doesn't find anything wrong, bad memory can be painful to track down.
[17:04] <daftykins> *nod*
[17:04] <ducasse> why on earth is this machine swapping? vm.swappiness=1 ...
[17:05] <daftykins> haha i changed the CMOS battery in this machine with the fried USB on the mobo, now it won't power on at all pressing the power button...
[17:06] <daftykins> this happened with one of the other boards that no longer functions at all
[17:06] <ducasse> oh, fun. not trying to enter bios or anything?
[17:07] <ducasse> well, no, if not powering on... but no blinkenlichten? nothing?
[17:08] <daftykins> ah my fault, i foolishly tried to plug in the EPS connector blind so only half of it was in XD
[17:14] <daftykins> ooh nice it's working today
[17:18] <ducasse> btw, do you know how much memory i should reserve for an intel gpu or how to figure it out?
[17:20] <daftykins> depending on the model i recall there being an automatic option
[17:21] <ducasse> then it just allocates what it needs? this manual is really not very detailed :)
[17:22] <daftykins> yeah, i thought the modern hardware memory allocation for on-die graphics had a four letter acronym to refer to memory management
[17:22] <daftykins> pauljw_vm: wb sir o/
[17:22] <daftykins> lol just booted into this 14.04.1 install, 192 packages to update, 106 are for security
[17:22] <daftykins> i picked that because i prefer to stick to the 3.13 kernel :)
[17:23] <ducasse> "this item allows you to empower both integrated and discrete graphics devices for the multi monitor output." that's it. wth does that even mean?
[17:24] <pauljw_vm> hi daftykins, everyone.  don't blame you, i'm sticking with 14.04 too.  too many changes in 16 and my systems here all do everything we need with 14.
[17:24] <daftykins> exactly, 16.04 can be all up to date but it's a newer kernel with greater needs i don't require :)
[17:25] <daftykins> setting up this system as a kind of test backup file server i might be able to sell onto a client
[17:25] <pauljw_vm> i enjoy it in a vm, as now, but i'm not interested in upgrading the host.
[17:25] <pauljw_vm> nice
[17:26] <daftykins> got one of my fave 3ware 9650-SE hardware RAID controllers ;D
[17:26] <pauljw_vm> :)
[17:26] <daftykins> there we go all upgraded \o/ even that 40GB intel value SSD is nice for package installs
[17:27] <pauljw_vm> ssd's are still in my future.  i'll get there.
[17:28] <daftykins> core 2 duo E7400 (2.8GHz), 4GB DDR2 @ 1066MHz and the little SSD with 14.04 server :>
[17:29] <daftykins> 1.5GB used - mmm
[17:30] <pauljw_vm> that's what memory is for right?  to be used...
[17:30] <daftykins> disk space i meant there
[17:30] <daftykins> but yes!
[17:30] <pauljw_vm> ah
[17:30] <daftykins> 183MB used for RAM XD
[17:31] <daftykins> oh guys be afraid btw, i ordered a beginners soldering kit last night
[17:31] <pauljw_vm> nice
[17:31] <pauljw_vm> yeehaw!
[17:31] <ducasse> oh, the one from amazon?
[17:31] <daftykins> got a few different parts in the end
[17:32] <pauljw_vm> by the weekend you'll be questioning what took you so long...
[17:32] <daftykins> :D
[17:32] <daftykins> i've still got to identify all the blown caps and probably the ones that haven't blown and order replacements though
[17:40] <daftykins> huzzah local bus looks good for tonight :>
[17:40] <daftykins> £1!
[17:42] <pauljw_vm> that's not bad
[17:56] <daftykins> solid rain right now
[17:56] <daftykins> oh dear it's 7pm already
[17:57] <ducasse> better get going, then - have fun @ the restaurant!
[17:57] <pauljw_vm> :)
[17:58] <daftykins> :D bus appears to be at 7:45 \o/
[17:58] <daftykins> rocks up at 8:07pm that'll do :>
[18:02] <daftykins> 3ware RAID controller firmware updated \o/
[18:03] <daftykins> it's nice dealing with hardware that works ;)
[18:04] <ducasse> new version of routeros, do i dare?
[18:06] <daftykins> hehehe
[18:06] <daftykins> not if things work ;)
[18:06] <daftykins> right i best head off folks, catch you later \o
[18:08] <ducasse> putting that one off until tomorrow, i need a couple of the fixes. enjoy, daftykins!
[21:24] <OverCoder> tgm4883, well uh idk, maybe tell me what can I do to improve that PPA thingy. Also about the going through the terminal.. well um, you can just selected the outer text and copy the list as a command which can be just pasted into the terminal directly, or copy only the inner stuff and browse through nautilus, open via gedit, and paste.
[21:25] <tgm4883> OverCoder: you can't do it via nautilus unless you launch nautilus with root privs
[21:25] <OverCoder> o right. I don't even use Ubuntu anyways :<
[21:26] <OverCoder> I mean I only use Ubuntu Server, so whatever. duh I feel sad after I spent these 2 days making the website :<
[21:26] <tgm4883> OverCoder: The ppa portion should place them in separate files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d. Since you have to go to the terminal anyway, you could just give it the 'apt-add-repository' command since that is cleaner than adding it to sources.list
[21:26] <tgm4883> Don't feel sad, I'm sure it was a good learning exercise
[21:27] <tgm4883> For the regular sources.list, I don't think you're going to find a better way to do that than the software sources Gui
[21:28] <tgm4883> You could see if that is implemented in a command line or ncurses way though
[21:28] <OverCoder> ....ah
[21:28] <OverCoder> well that's awesome
[21:28] <OverCoder> Gonna go implement that.
[21:28] <OverCoder> Thanks :)
[21:28] <tgm4883> OverCoder: yea apt-add-repositories is a much nicer way to do the PPAs
[21:29] <tgm4883> OverCoder: I do wonder how you are coming up with your list of PPAs and which ones are "trusted"
[21:29] <OverCoder> thanks :3
[23:02] <daftykins> although if you're going to a PPA to begin with you're probably straying off the tracks of using ubuntu server already
[23:02] <daftykins> :P
[23:07] <dax> tgm4883: lol
[23:07] <tgm4883> dax: I mean seriously, you guys just said that
[23:21] <daftykins> ?
[23:30] <tgm4883> dax: IDK what you guys ususally do with that, but might want to keep an eye on monsterdemon
[23:32]  * dax looks up
[23:32] <dax> daftykins: someone had trouble with LTS version numbers and basic math
[23:32] <daftykins> :D
[23:33] <dax> tgm4883: usually would ban them, but they /quit already :|
[23:33] <dax> they did it in ##linux too, looks like
[23:34] <tgm4883> dax: that's why I need banning powers :)
[23:34] <daftykins> ah well #ubuntu only maintains ops from incompatible timezones so that these folk can get away with it, y'see
[23:35] <daftykins> must be tough to get everyone to meet up for the blood oath, i guess
[23:35] <dax> we actually replaced the blood with salt, since there's a plentiful source of it around these days
[23:36] <dax> tgm4883: yeah. or i need to get a job where i won't be distracted by bloody windows licensing
[23:36] <dax> been looking at this stuff for days and it's still ridiculous
[23:36] <daftykins> no, it's only salt if i wanted back in... i could point out your flaws but you guys like your little private club
[23:37] <dax> lol
[23:37] <daftykins> you're too busy doing your day job to even handle your task as an op :)
[23:53] <daftykins> see this is the problem dax, you're probably one of the most approachable and you're still clamming up
[23:53] <daftykins> you've got too much of an us vs. them approach toward the volunteers when you should all be working together


[15:59] <silverlion> hey everybody have a beautiful ###SET YOUR TIME OF DAY IN HERE###
[19:45] <pleia2> hi JasnaBencic :)
[19:45] <JasnaBencic> hi
[19:46] <pleia2> to edit the wiki, you click the "Login" button just under the orange header, near the middle
[19:46] <JasnaBencic> how to turn on the edit mode in wiki? I'm blind I guess :(
[19:46] <JasnaBencic> The problem is that I am logged in
[19:46] <pleia2> once you've logged in, there will be an "Edit" link where it says "Immutable Page"
[19:47] <pleia2> er, where it used to say "Immutable Page"
[19:47] <pleia2> (you may need to refresh if your browser cached the page)
[19:48] <JasnaBencic> I will try to do that
[19:48] <JasnaBencic> because immutable is stuck  :D
[19:51] <pleia2> if it's still stuck after refreshes, you might try clicking "Login" again, maybe it didn't fully log you in
[19:51] <pleia2> otherwise you can mention your changes here and one of us will put them in for you
[19:52] <pleia2> changes should really just be spelling, grammar and English-specific (since several of our summary writers are non-native English speakers)
[19:53] <JasnaBencic> I will do that ... becaue this immutable loves me I guess.... I have tried to login at the other computer .. same issue... bah.... ... Better for me to start reading
[19:53] <pleia2> looks like mrudge is currently editing it anyway
[19:54] <pleia2> might want to refresh, since he just put in some changes :)
[19:54] <JasnaBencic> ok :)
[19:58] <JasnaBencic> General community news .... --- The following new members have been added now .. or just Have been added .. .. Have now been added sounds weird when I read it ...
[20:00] <JoseeAntonioR> JasnaBencic: Have now been added is the correct way to
[20:00] <pleia2> so just "The following members have been added" ?
[20:00] <JasnaBencic> it would be ok
[20:00] <pleia2> there we go
[20:01] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lucid-changes/2012-May/012904.htm 404
[20:09] <pleia2> Unit193: got it, thanks :D
[20:18] <pleia2> heading out for a bit, thanks everyone!
[20:18] <JasnaBencic> Humble Indie Bundle part .. ----Users pay what they want for games and part of proceeds go to the charity-----...  Canonical  commits its  contribution to the bundle with 100$  "for every Humble Indie Bundle 5 game  on the Ubuntu App Directory that recieves 5000 Facebook likes."
[20:22] <JasnaBencic> Ubuntu Brainstorm Top  this week  ---  first sentence ... you have  network coonected   :) -   connected
[20:29] <JasnaBencic> After Unity Drag&Drop .... second sentence could be simplified by breaking in two ....---- You can submit your own idea. Also, you can vote for another idea or against it.... First way is a bit weird word placement....