[15:03] <xubuntu469> windows dömane
[15:03] <xubuntu469> help
[15:03] <slickymasterWork> !ask | xubuntu469
[15:04] <xubuntu469> exit
[15:04] <xubuntu469> domäne
[15:05] <xubuntu469> windows domäne
[20:53] <PhilGEE> hmm
[21:08] <xubuntu451> is anyone out there?
[21:12] <xubuntu60w> Hi, I'm currently installing Xubuntu and I'm stuck on mount points...I'm using / for my boot SSD, but what mount point should I use for my storage hard disk?
[21:13] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu60w:  you could use /home
[21:14] <xubuntu60w> Thank you well_laid_lawn, I will use that.
[21:14] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[21:15] <`qq> does anyone know if i can change the name of a tab in xfce4-terminal, after the fact, and from a script?
[21:16] <`qq> ie, this works xfce4-terminal --tab -T "title"
[21:16] <`qq> but it creates a tab which i dont want
[21:18] <xubuntu60w> My installation is now stuck at the "force UEFI" pop up window. I have clicked "continue" but there is no response.
[21:39] <branau> `qq: Check this out here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=34078
[21:39] <branau> If I'm not mistaken xfce4-terminal emulates xterm by default
[21:39] <branau> So unless you've changed that, you should be able to tweak that to suit your goals
[21:53] <`qq> branau: thanks. checking.
[21:56] <`qq> branau: sadly no
[21:56] <`qq> it works on an xterm, but not on xfce4-terminal
[21:56] <`qq> it's fine
[21:57] <`qq> i'll just do it on creation time
[21:57] <`qq> thanks anyhoo
[21:57] <branau> `qq: No luck with that? I'm sure it can be done, seems like a pretty basic concept. Let me look a little deeper, there's bound to be a way
[21:57] <`qq> at least using the xterm compat doesn't work
[21:58] <`qq> this works on an xterm echo -ne "\033]0;newtitle\007"
[21:58] <`qq> but not on xf-term
[21:59] <`qq> i work with lots of servers, and have a tab per server each with its own tmux. so i need the hint, otherwise it would be confusing.
[22:00] <`qq> and the mouse on my laptop doesn't work, and i refuse to carry one :)
[22:06] <branau> `qq: try this little bit, I found it on StackOverflow: trap 'echo -e "\e]0;$BASH_COMMAND\007"' DEBUG
[22:06] <branau> That should update the terminal title
[22:06] <`qq> branau: trying
[22:06] <branau> `qq: I found it here: http://superuser.com/questions/175799/does-bash-have-a-hook-that-is-run-before-executing-a-command
[22:06] <branau> There are some other things in there you could try too
[22:06] <`qq> branau: is that for the prompt? or the title?
[22:06] <`qq> well let me try
[22:07] <branau> `qq: That snippet was supposedly for the title
[22:07] <branau> I didn't test it though
[22:08] <`qq> branau: yes!
[22:08] <`qq> branau: thank you!
[22:08] <branau> `qq: Nice! Glad you got something work. Sure thing!
[22:08] <`qq> branau: this is HUGELY helpful to me ... mouseless as i am now
[22:08] <`qq> thank you thank you
[22:10] <branau> `qq: Sure thing! Glad you got it figured out :)


[01:04] <mhall119> cjohnston: ew, sucks, what's wrong with it, do you know?
[01:06] <mhall119> cjohnston: you can probably remove some of the print statements, since they seem to cause confusion
[01:08] <mhall119> but you're probably too hot to care about it right now
[01:34] <cjohnston> mhall119: i like the statements, i think the locations are a little off
[01:35] <cjohnston> are you still around?
[01:51] <cjohnston> mhall119: bug #799559
[01:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 799559 in ubuntu-django-foundations (and 1 other project) "Fix print statements (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799559
[01:59] <cjohnston> sorry for spam, im cleaning up our blueprints
[02:01] <cjohnston> nigelb: when you come back around.... 'Pull blueprint data using the LP API, not screen scraping' is just comitted and not fix released correct? If so, the proper status is INPROGRESS.. It's not done until fix released
[02:04] <cjohnston> mhall119: Ronnie daker_ nigelb, on this work item: 'List of teams grouped by language instead of continent' which is assigned to Ronnie... I just wnat to clarify.. It is going to be in addition to by continent, and not just replace the listing by continent? if that isn't the plan, my suggestion would be to offer both... not just by language
[02:24] <mhall119> cjohnston: I believe the "use lp api instead of screen scraping" is landed in trunk
[02:24] <mhall119> I consider that "Done"
[02:24] <mhall119> cjohnston: in addition to was my understanding of that one as well
[02:28] <mhall119> nigelb: "Attribute the pictures Bug #763114: TODO" are you working on that?
[02:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 763114 in loco-directory "Provide required attribution for photos (affects: 1) (heat: 7)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/763114
[03:06] <cjohnston> mhall119: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto#Work_items_as_linked_bugs   Fix Released is DONE for status
[03:17] <cjohnston> ac is fixed
[03:17] <mhall119> ok
[03:18] <cjohnston> I'm going to try to test everything with LD and send the RT tomorrow
[03:19] <cjohnston> ive been saying that for a week :-(
[03:23] <paultag> cjohnston: dude, no stress. You work too hard.
[03:24] <cjohnston> I know that theres no stress.. its just something I want to get done cause there are a couple really cool features that I really wanna see
[03:26] <cjohnston> im off to go sweat in bed while it cools off in here... g'nite
[05:29] <nigelb> mhall119: yes
[05:30] <nigelb> cjohnston: bah, okay
[06:05] <Ronnie> cjohnston: yes, side by side, i hope i have time soon to work on it
[07:06] <YoBoY> good morning
[11:16] <nigelb> mhall119: Can I convince you to do a summit release next week?
[13:53] <mhall119> nigelb: probably, any major changes?
[13:54] <nigelb> mhall119: mostly whatever we've fixed
[13:54] <nigelb> mhall119: I'll close my brances by then
[13:54] <mhall119> nigelb: do we have a production branch of summit yet?
[13:55] <nigelb> mhall119: no.
[13:55] <nigelb> mhall119: do we want to do it that way?
[13:55] <mhall119> shall we take the opportunity to make one?
[13:55] <mhall119> I think so
[13:55] <nigelb> ok, tell me how and I can do it
[13:55] <mhall119> especially if we're going to be doing big changes to summit in the near future, but want ot keep a stable branch for the Linaro summit in August
[13:56] <nigelb> hrm, yes
[13:56] <mhall119> just get a clean copy of trunk, and push it to lp:~summit-hackers/summit/production
[13:57] <mhall119> and from that point on we'll merge trunk into it as we do releases
[13:59] <nigelb> ok
[13:59] <nigelb> will do tonight
[14:05] <mhall119> it's not tonight yet?
[14:10] <nigelb> mhall119: its 6:40 pm
[14:11] <nigelb> Its still sort of dusk :)
[17:57] <mhall119> https://launchpad.net/~mhall119/+archive/ppa/+build/2581144
[17:57] <daker> wooww
[18:08] <nigelb> mhall119: zomg WIN
[18:41] <mhall119> now win yet, but getting there
[20:14] <cjohnston> mhall119: i thought we were gonna clean the old crap out and make a new trunk and then make a production
[20:25] <mhall119> I think it'll take too long to clean our old crap
[20:25] <cjohnston> sounds like a good project for the man in charge
[23:10] <cjohnston> mhall119: any chance of reviewing that branch i pushed yesterday? I'm going to try really hard to get the release ready tonight.
[23:12] <cjohnston> not really a huge deal tho


[14:57] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[14:57] <thafreak> how many have installed firefox 4 so far?
[14:57] <thafreak> There's a stable ppa for lucid and maverick folks
[17:06] <thafreak> http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/warfare/e63e/?cpg=155HA&head
[17:14] <Unit193> thafreak: I take it you have FF4? how do you like it?
[17:20] <thafreak> http://xkcd.com/875/
[17:21] <thafreak> So far, firefox4 is nice...very fast
[17:22] <Unit193> I think it's mostly better then FF3.6 (where it's better, it's much better)
[17:22] <Unit193> I also get xkcd emailed to me :D
[17:30] <Unit193> Dilbert for today is so good...http://www.arcamax.com/newspics/17/1731/173177.gif
[18:26] <thafreak> So what's all this noise about bitcoin
[18:35] <paultag> thafreak: no clue, just got internets back :)
[19:12] <Unit193> Can anyone say tornado?
[19:15] <paultag> tornado
[19:15] <paultag> Unit193: yup
[19:15] <paultag> It's rainy as shit right now
[19:15] <paultag> BBL, walkign to class
[21:40] <thafreak> There's this whole trading market trading bitcoins for USD...
[21:40] <thafreak> they're currently trading for like $0.86
[21:40] <thafreak> started out around $0.12
[21:41] <thafreak> paultag: bitcoin sounds like something you'd be interested in...crypto money...
[21:41] <paultag> thafreak: sounds like a scam to me :)
[21:41] <thafreak> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Main_Page
[21:41] <paultag> thafreak: I'll pop that open at work
[21:41] <paultag> I'll BRB
[21:41] <paultag> I'm rather tired
[21:42] <thafreak> well, the bitcoin doesn't seem to be a scam...but not sure about these "markets" though
[21:42] <thafreak> let me know what you think once you look at it...
[21:42] <thafreak> later


[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #123313 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "support for the windows autorun mecanism - patch included" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123313
[12:17] <rbs-tito> I know this isn't the right channel, but does anyone think it would be cool if videos previewed the same way as audio in nautilus. Like when you hover the cursor over them the thumbnail starts playing?
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #123314 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "System crash in feisty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123314
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #123315 in ruby1.8 (main) "Feisty has Ruby 1.8.5.  1.8.6 is the latest." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123315
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #123316 in update-manager (main) "terminal output garbled in certain locales" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123316
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #123318 in gimp (main) "gimp crashes after opening new image" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123318
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #123319 in ebtables (universe) "Please sync ebtables (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123319
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #123321 in update-manager (main) "Edgy to Feisty upgrade reports erroneous "Not enough free disk space" message" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123321
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #123322 in Ubuntu "Suspend and hibernation don't work." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123322
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #123324 in openoffice.org2 (main) "Remove rows when using Autocomplete crashes OpenOffice Calc" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123324
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #123325 in agg (universe) "[Sync request]  Sync agg (2.5-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123325
[02:21] <ubotu> New bug: #123327 in crm114 (universe) "[Sync request]  Sync crm114 (20070320-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123327
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #123329 in dokuwiki (universe) "[Sync request]  Sync dokuwiki (0.0.20070626-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123329
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #123330 in neko (universe) "[Sync request]  Sync neko (1.5.3-6) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123330
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #123332 in network-manager (main) "NetworkManagerDispatcher uses 100% CPU on startup" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123332
[03:06] <ubotu> New bug: #123333 in Ubuntu "Gutsy Tribe 2 multiple false shutdown on ThinkPad R31" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123333
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #123334 in ubiquity (main) ""ubiquity" crashed during Ubuntu installation - account and password creation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123334
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #123335 in openoffice.org (main) "spreadsheet crashes when deleting rows" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123335
[04:36] <ubotu> New bug: #123336 in inkscape (main) "inkscape crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123336
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #123337 in compizconfig-python (universe) "Dependency problems" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123337
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #123338 in compizconfig-settings-manager (universe) "ccsm crashed with AttributeError in Activated()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123338
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #123340 in pidgin (main) "pidgin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123340
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #123342 in restricted-manager (main) "restricted-manager crashed with OSError in _execute_child()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123342
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #123343 in adept (main) "database locked-adept manager 7.04 and older" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123343
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #123344 in kaffeine (main) "xine video playback gets out of sync when playing back from sshfs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123344
[07:42] <polopolo> Hello all, on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash , step 3, must I install yelp-dbgsym, or the package with the bug (like gimp-dbgsym)?
[07:44] <polopolo> Nobody has the answer?
[07:46] <Hobbsee> !weekend
[07:46] <ubotu> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[07:47] <polopolo> ah, did now that it excist
[07:48] <polopolo> But I have the answer
[07:49] <Hobbsee> polopolo: not sure what your questoin is, tbh
[08:00] <jsgotangco> hey zakame
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #123345 in firefox (main) "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123345
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #123346 in Ubuntu "tyan tiger s3870 motherboard - No RAID Drivers for 64 bit" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123346
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #123347 in nautilus (main) "Moving stretched icon from desktop to folder - unable to resize" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123347
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #123349 in stk (universe) "alsa problem: cannot open device" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123349
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #123426 in ndiswrapper (main) "systematic freeze when closing multiple connections (i.e. close azureus)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123426
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #123430 in glchess (universe) "glchess crashes at the end of a party, or when closing it." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123430
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #123431 in sound-juicer (main) "Shifted replay of audio tracks from hybrid CD" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123431
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #123432 in Ubuntu "Aegis and ClamAV installation requires loading Ubuntu 6.06 CD." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123432
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #123433 in fretsonfire (universe) "FretsOnFire.py crashed with error in open()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123433
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #123434 in libxml-commons-resolver1.1-java (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123434
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #123435 in xdg-user-dirs (main) "xdg-user-dirs translations not included" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123435
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #123436 in Ubuntu "when rebooting pc won't boot into ubuntu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123436
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #123437 in blender (universe) "blender crashes everytime i open it" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123437
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #123438 in gnome-panel (main) "unexpected applications closure" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123438
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #123439 in nautilus (main) "can't remove files" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123439
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #123440 in apport (main) "apport bad gateway error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123440
[11:37] <ubotu> New bug: #123441 in sane-frontends (universe) "Scanner CanoScan 8600F not detected" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123441
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #123442 in gnome-panel (main) "Cambiar entre reas de trabajo no funciona" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123442
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #123443 in amarok (main) "Amarok crashes while left unattended for some time (podcast retrieval problem?)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123443


[08:22] <chatter29> sun is not doing allah is doing
[08:22] <chatter29> to accept islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except allah and muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
[08:22] <krytarik> chatter29: Hi.
[08:23] <chatter29> hi
[10:12] <buzzt3d> Hi all, I am trying to update on Ubuntu/LXDE 16.10 to the NZ archives but getting errors. Is there an issue?
[10:35] <buzzt3d> quit
[16:25] <penguin_> Hello
[16:25] <penguin_> a quick question
[16:26] <penguin_> Do I need a firewall or antivirus for lubuntu?
[16:34] <leszek> penguin_: antivirus scanner is only advised if you get obscure files and want to send them to windows users without checking what it is actually
[16:34] <leszek> as for firewall a simple paket filter is built in
[16:38] <penguin_> Can a .doc file without contain a virus?
[16:39] <penguin_> or docx
[16:39] <penguin_> I mean the files that are made by microsoft office.Can I get infected by opening one?
[16:41] <penguin_> I heard a rumor about file encrypting viruses? is linux immune to them?
[20:14] <malonumas>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-64-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 1 x Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU          550  @ 2.00GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1,99GHz ** RAM: Physical: 1,9GiB, 59,9% free ** Disk: Total: 144,6GiB, 87,4% free ** VGA: 8086:2a02 ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel ** Ethernet: 14e4:1693 ** Uptime: 12h 44m 14s **


[14:41] <ricotz> jbicha, heya, could you push a rebuild of rhythmbox for python 3.6?
[15:07] <jbicha> ricotz: building https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/3.4.1-2ubuntu3
[15:08] <jbicha> ricotz: if you've got extra time, could you look into what's wrong with mozjs52?
[15:08] <jbicha> https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-gnome/mozjs52.git
[15:08] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ubuntu/temp20170721/+packages
[15:09] <ricotz> jbicha, thanks
[15:09] <ricotz> jbicha, where is this mozjs52 tarball coming from?
[15:10] <jbicha> GNOME3 Staging PPA
[15:11] <ricotz> jbicha, I see, I mean the actual "upstream" tarball
[15:11] <jbicha> https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=mozilla-esr52&filter-searchStr=sm-tc
[15:12] <jbicha> with a couple files removed that are mentioned in Files-Excluded in debian/copyright
[15:12] <ricotz> jbicha, so it is custom snapshot
[15:13] <jbicha> yes, Mozilla not officially released mozjs52 yet
[15:14] <jbicha> there's also an unofficial tarball at https://download.gnome.org/teams/releng/tarballs-needing-help/mozjs/ but I haven't looked at that much
[15:16] <ricotz> jbicha, ok, will try to take a look after dealing with LO 5.4.0~rc3


[14:09] <Rajiv_> Would someone mind marking bug 235794 as Triaged?
[14:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 235794 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[hardy] Ubiquity crashes with "MigrationAssistantApply failed with code 2"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/235794
[14:16] <hggdh> Rajiv_: we need a reasoning of why this bug should be set as Triaged. *ANY* change in status must be explained. Also, this bug is about Hardy, and I see no reference to it happening on current supported versions
[14:17] <hggdh> a change in bug status is something important enough to require an explanation of why that change was warranted. Keep in mind that later readers of the bug may not understand the reasons unless we explain them in a comment
[22:29]  * slickymaster is away: I'm busy
[22:30]  * slickymaster is away: [Got to work]
[22:30]  * slickymaster is away: Got to work>
[22:31]  * slickymaster is away: <Got to work>
[22:32]  * slickymaster is away: Got to work


[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:37] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Kubuntu/comments/y5i7at/can_we_have_bismuth_314_on_the_kubuntu_backports/
[14:37] <RikMills> will you update that in the archive when LL opens?
[15:12] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: That's the plan.
[15:15] <BluesKaj> well, bluetooth finally works on Kinetic with the new kernel ...sending pics from my phone to the pc finally works
[15:17] <BluesKaj> haven't tried kdeconnect lately


[10:11] <snadge> WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-3.8.0/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/intel_display.c:3891 intel_modeset_check_state+0x582/0x610 [i915]()
[10:14] <snadge> not sure what this is about.. but an old dell inspiron 1525 is spamming my dmesg with that
[10:14] <snadge> current raring kernel
[10:14] <snadge> might try an upstream one
[10:22] <snadge> kernel.ubuntu.com not responding for me ?
[10:23] <snadge> looks like its fubar ;)
[11:20] <snadge> hmm ok current mainline does same thing
[11:21] <snadge> people just update drivers and dont bother to test if it works on old broken crap? :p
[11:34] <snadge> drm-nightly kernel same
[11:47] <snadge> 3.5 kernel from quantal, no problems


[00:16] <Rinchen> yeager, I don't think so at the moment but I'll pass it on
[00:17] <yeager> ok, no problems
[00:17] <yeager> it's not an official question so keep it unofficial
[00:17] <Rinchen> will do
[00:18] <Rinchen> and thanks!
[00:45] <ubotu> New bug: #180234 in launchpad-bazaar "Upgrade Launchpad's Bazaar to 1.1" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180234
[00:50] <Ubulette> "PPA exceeded its size limit<PHONE_NUMBER> of<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes). Contact a Launchpad administrator if you need more space." last time, i filed a question and i was told to ignore it. what about now ?
[00:50] <ubotu> New bug: #180236 in soyuz "new "visible" column in the buildd table" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180236
[00:56] <Kmos> Ubulette: file a question in answers against launchpad, to clean up your PPA
[00:56] <Kmos> :)
[00:57] <Ubulette> again ?
[00:57] <Kmos> anyone clean it up ?
[00:57] <Kmos> subscribe mthaddon
[00:57] <Kmos> :)
[00:57] <mthaddon> Kmos, no need to subscribe me - I get all launchpad questions via email...
[00:58] <Kmos> :)
[00:58] <Kmos> mthaddon: can you clean up my PPA too? account name: gothicx
[00:58] <mthaddon> Kmos, I think I asked you to file a separate question as you tagged it onto someone else's - but yeah - all of the items?
[00:58] <Ubulette> question 16565
[00:59] <Kmos> mthaddon: yes.. thanks =)
[00:59] <Ubulette> hmm answer 16565
[00:59] <Ubulette> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/16565
[01:00] <mthaddon> Ubulette, are you experiencing problems - from kiko's comments there it seems like we're exceptioning your account so you don't need to worry about the limit too much
[01:01] <mthaddon> Kmos, can you just create a quick question for me so I have a "paper trail" - sorry to be a pain...
[01:01] <Kmos> mthaddon: ok =)
[01:04] <Kmos> mthaddon: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/21365
[01:04] <Kmos> done
[01:04] <mthaddon> thx
[01:04] <Ubulette> mthaddon, i've just got an "Upload Warning" so i don't know (yet) if it worked. the email said it's accepted but it takes ~1h15 to just enter the queue :P
[01:08] <Ubulette> #  121 source packages (303.0 MiB)
[01:08] <Ubulette> # 1230 binary packages (899.1 MiB)
[01:08] <Ubulette> the # of packages seems bogus
[01:08] <mthaddon> Ubulette, trying to get an answer for you...
[01:12] <mthaddon> Ubulette, are you on the launchpad-users mailing list?
[01:12] <Ubulette> no
[01:13] <mthaddon> if you'd rather not join and post there, I can follow up for you separately
[01:14] <Ubulette> indeed, i'd rather not to.
[01:14] <Kmos> mthaddon: my ppa is cleaned but not the stats
[01:14] <Kmos>     * 28 source packages (47.5 MiB)
[01:14] <Kmos>     * 92 binary packages (193.3 MiB)
[01:14] <Kmos>     * Estimated archive size: 240.9 MiB
[01:14] <mthaddon> Kmos, I believe we have to wait for the next run (daily) for that
[01:15] <Kmos> ah ok =)
[01:15] <Kmos> thanks
[01:15] <mthaddon> Ubulette, how should someone follow up with you?
[01:15] <mthaddon> is here the best place?
[01:15] <Ubulette> email or irc
[01:15] <Ubulette> here is good. i'm always on
[01:16] <mthaddon> ok, I'll get in touch with someone and have them follow up with you - thx
[01:16] <Ubulette> thx
[05:10] <DreadKnight> hello. can anyone help me out a bit? i want to create a ssh key thingy...
[05:10] <Hobbsee> !ssh
[05:10] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[05:11] <DreadKnight> ok thanks :)
[05:13] <spiv> DreadKnight: You may also find http://bazaar-vcs.org/Bzr_and_SSH to be helpful
[05:14] <DreadKnight> great, i need it for bzr, in order to commit to launchpad xD
[05:14] <DreadKnight> thanks
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #180279 in malone "Email Subject should read "[Ubuntu-bug NNN]" not just "[Bug NNNN]"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180279
[07:57] <kiko> Ubulette: we are only sending out warnings for now; I'll look into this because we need a good way to cope with it
[07:58]  * Fujitsu uploads hundreds of gigabytes.
[08:09] <carlos> morning
[08:10] <Fujitsu> Hey carlos.
[08:14] <carlos> Fujitsu: hi!
[08:39] <mbt> Is there still not a way to delete packages from PPA oneself?
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #180284 in soyuz "Users should be able to delete PPA packages manually" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180284
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #180283 in launchpad "Remove package from psicus PPA" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180283
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #180318 in launchpad "How long does this take, please?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180318
[11:11] <mwhudson> kwality bug report
[11:11] <Fujitsu> That's impressive.
[11:11] <intellectronica> i think it's a new form of poetry, actually
[11:11] <Fujitsu> intellectronica: Heh.
[11:12] <Fujitsu> That must go into the hall of fame.
[11:13] <Fujitsu> GoT eNoUgH ODD capitalisation AnD REPITITION there?
[11:13] <matsubara> where's ubugtu?
[11:13] <Fujitsu> matsubara: They were merged many moons ago.
[11:16] <matsubara> ah ok. it's ubotu now. thanks Fujitsu
[11:16] <matsubara> ubotu, bug 159151
[11:16] <ubotu> Bug 159151 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/159151 is private
[11:18] <Fujitsu> matsubara: Plain old bug 159151 should do.
[11:18] <ubotu> Bug 159151 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/159151 is private
[11:19]  * Fujitsu curses all these private LP bugs.
[11:19] <matsubara> right, just testing something.
[11:20] <LarstiQ> Fujitsu: well, if that also means it's not affecting me, I don't mind ;)
[11:21]  * Fujitsu was more thinking of those bugs that contain useful information referenced in other bugs, and are later privatised.
[12:11] <Kmos> how to find this "locales/pt_PT:mon_decimal_point" in translations ?
[12:11] <Kmos> it's wrong.. still in wrong coin, not euro
[13:27] <jel> hi all.  I can't seem to log into launchpad with konqueror.  Firefox works OK, and other konqueror logins work OK.  Is this a known issue?
[13:29] <Fujitsu> jel: Ensure you have allowed cookies for launchpad.net.
[13:30] <jel> damn, you're right.  Sorry.  False alarm.
[13:30] <jel> I meant to check that, but got sidetracked and thought I had.
[13:32] <jel> OK, well, that eliminates the barrier to registering a project.  Thanks :)
[13:46] <ubotu> New bug: #180349 in launchpad "mailing list subscriptions page should link to team" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180349
[14:17] <jjesse> good morning two weeks ago i chnaged my primary email address in launchpad, however my @ubuntu.com email still goes to the old address
[14:17] <jjesse> does that automatically get updated?
[14:17] <jjesse> never mind it seems to have been updated
[14:17] <jjesse> sorry about that
[14:47] <Kmos> what's the package responsible for "locales/pt_PT:mon_decimal_point" in translations ?
[14:58] <Kmos> looks like langpack-locales
[17:30] <ubotu> New bug: #180388 in malone "Please add status "patched" in bug reports" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180388
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #180392 in soyuz "PPA authorized_size field limited to 2GB" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180392
[18:11] <jel> Hi Guys :)  I seem to have a number of accounts in launchpad -- sorry, I didn't remember actually using it in the past (for bug reports, I guess).  Is there a way to merge these?
[18:13] <matsubara> jel, yes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge
[18:14] <jel> matsubara: great; thanks :)
[18:14] <Peng> That's impressive.
[18:41] <iKs> Hi all :)
[18:41] <iKs> I've been using bazaar locally for a project I have and I just registered the project on Launchpad
[18:42] <iKs> I'd like to push the repo I have to Luanchpad but I don';t really know how to do that
[18:42] <iKs> I'd like to push it to the trunk of the project but I only found ways to create perosnnal branches
[18:43] <iKs> How do I do that ?
[18:43] <LarstiQ> iKs: the trunk of a project is associated with a particular user/team branch. If you want all the teammembers to be able to push, I suggest creating a team for your project and pushing the branch there.
[18:44] <iKs> OK.
[18:44] <LarstiQ> iKs: compare /~bzr/bzr/bzr.dev and /~larstiq/bzr/bug-foo
[18:44] <iKs> I'm alone so basically the trunk will be associated with something like
[18:44] <iKs> luanchpad.net/~iks/projectname/trunk ?
[18:45] <LarstiQ> iKs: that will work too, and you can always switch later
[18:46] <iKs> what do you mean by "too" ? Is there a better way ?
[18:46] <iKs> (I'm kinda new to VC and especially to Bazaar so... :))
[18:47] <LarstiQ> iKs: also see https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/BazaarHosting
[18:48] <LarstiQ> iKs: with too I mean that associating trunk with your personal branch will work fine as long as you are on your own
[18:48] <iKs> but the I'll associate it with a team's branch.. right ?
[18:48] <LarstiQ> iKs: when you get more collaborators, you can still create the team, push there, and repoint trunk to it
[18:49] <LarstiQ> iKs: right now, you don't have to
[18:49] <LarstiQ> iKs: but read the docs :)
[18:49] <iKs> Yep I was just thinking more centralized I think
[18:50] <iKs> so I couldn't understand why the doc was talking about personnal branches :)
[19:52] <mtaylor> so what do I do if I filled up a PPA
[20:12] <salgado> mtaylor, you can get someone to remove a few packages or maybe increase the quota by filing a question at https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[20:12] <mtaylor> salgado: cool. thanks
[22:17] <db-keen> why can't you modify implementation status and priority on the same page?
[22:17] <db-keen> Launchpad splits up blueprint tasks
[22:17] <db-keen> slowing down work, I think
[22:24] <matsubara> db-keen, that's bug 175479
[22:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175479 in blueprint "One page for editing blueprint status and related info" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175479
[22:25] <db-keen> ubotu: thanks
[22:25] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[22:26] <db-keen> matsubara: thanks to you then
[22:27] <matsubara> I'm a bot as well. ;-)


[07:58] <paddatrapper> And so we have a new stable Debian release
[09:45] <Kilos> cremora minora
[10:20] <inetpro> I know cremora but what is minora?
[10:23] <inetpro> some of the key brands carried by J&E Cash and Carry include: Sunlight, Ariel,... Robertsons, Cremora, Minora as well as Bakers...
[10:24] <inetpro> good evening every body
[12:56] <Kilos> did is supposed to be goeie more meneere
[12:56] <Kilos> minora was a skeer mes lem
[12:56] <Kilos> cremora minora klink soos more menere
[12:57] <Kilos> goeie menere
[12:57] <Kilos> ai!
[12:57] <Kilos> goeie more menere
[12:57] <Kilos> kop klap weer
[14:44] <inetpro> ai!
[18:01] <Kilos> dis die lewe oompie
[18:09] <bushtech> filosofies vanaand
[18:20] <inetpro> bushtech: hoe gaan dit?
[18:22] <bushtech> Lekker dankie, self?
[18:23] <inetpro> ook goed dankie, voel net so al of die koue op pad is
[18:24] <bushtech> Ja, 15 hier
[18:27] <inetpro> massive accident on the Bakwena highway this evening
[18:27] <inetpro> https://twitter.com/BakwenaN1N4/status/876496367056809985
[18:28] <inetpro> on the N4 btwn Doornpoort & Bon Accord, with a full road CLOSURE
[18:30]  * inetpro just noticed how unreliable Google maps is with an incident like the above
[18:32] <inetpro> I noticed the accident in the opposite direction earlier and thought coming back Google maps would warn me to take a alternative route, it didn't
[18:43] <bushtech> tried waze?
[18:45] <inetpro> I once had waze installed, many moons ago, is it still a thing?
[18:47] <bushtech> dontreally know havent used it in ages but just opened it and it shows a section of road in on n4 near bon accord
[18:47] <bushtech> road in red
[18:48] <inetpro> google maps also shows red but time was not adjusted and alternative route suggestions from that point on were ridiculous
[18:49] <bushtech> cant see any users on waze soprob dead
[18:51] <inetpro> traffic was chaotic, knowing the area at least I was able to escape via smaller streets quite quickly
[18:54] <inetpro> the highway carries quite a lot of traffic these days
[18:59] <bushtech> yep whenever I go to jhb these days I'm glad to get out of there
[19:01] <inetpro> don't know when they will eventually wake up and build a proper alternative from Jhb to Shoshanguve
[19:03] <inetpro> it simply has to happen at some point
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: wat maak oom?
[19:05] <Kilos> ek weet nie wat dozing in die taal is nie
[19:05] <Kilos> kop is beter nou klap bors sug
[19:06] <Kilos> sluimer?
[19:07] <Kilos> kom nou julle slimmes
[19:07] <inetpro> haha
[19:08] <inetpro> uitgevang
[19:08] <Kilos> what is the afrikaans word for dozing
[19:09] <Kilos> maybe i should sleep
[19:09] <Kilos> dozing makes you feel worse when you open your eyes
[19:10] <inetpro> sluimer klink reg oom
[19:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:13] <bushtech> knip 'n uilltjie
[19:13] <Kilos> lol ja
[19:13] <bushtech> Langjan, waars jy
[19:13] <Kilos> ja die toppie sal weet
[19:14] <Kilos> bushtech its nice to see you here so much
[19:15] <Kilos> i battled for a long time to get you here for more than an hour at a time
[19:15] <bushtech> Ja, nou op 60gb wireless
[19:15] <Kilos> wonderlik
[19:16] <Kilos> waar kom dit vandaan
[19:16] <bushtech> Ja hoef nie die heel tyd te sit en kyk na my data usage nie
[19:16] <bushtech> infogro
[19:45] <Kilos> lekker
[19:46] <Kilos> ek gaan slaap julle. lekker aand verder en lekker slaap


[02:34] <mmikowski> Kubuntu 24.04 installer mocks are in: https://kfocus.org/NobleDev.f9150309/noble-installer-mockup-01.png and https://kfocus.org/NobleDev.f9150309/noble-installer-mockup-02.png.  arraybolt3 is implementing. Any thoughts are welcome!
[02:47] <guiverc> I like it  (-01 easier for me to read; in window on this box anyway; they can often appear different when booted live & on different hardware)..
[02:47] <guiverc> mmikowski, ^
[02:47] <mmikowski> guiverc: Yes, I think larger fonts might be better too. These are 24 and 36px.
[02:48] <mmikowski> Might be better at 32 and 48px
[02:50] <guiverc> I use 1280x1024 for some QA... on lower-res monitors you don't need massive fonts...   (I don't know what font size that was, but looked fine for me & I'm not exactly young)
[02:58] <mmikowski> Thanks!
[09:02] <sgmoore> Eickmeyer: I did not lol, our utomation tools did that :(
[11:54] <sgmoore> kdewebkit is using an ecm feature that does not yet exist, I have patched it out and hopefully 5.115 will finish today.
[12:41] <sgmoore> alright kf5 5.115 is ready for testing https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-frameworks please note: pre-release software does need to be enabled as this ppa builds with it.
[12:58] <sgmoore> oh hmm, guess I have to rebuild all plasma and apps on new frameworks as it removes them all
[13:31] <sgmoore> Hey, so another thing I noticed while testing a new ISO is we don't have the lovely plasma-welcome! Is this something anyone is opposed to me working on ( I will need help with branding of course ) ricktimmis tsimonq2 RikMills ?
[13:54] <ricktimmis> So I did put a POC together using QT, of something similar to what you see with Linux Mint. The repo on my Github is here https://github.com/ricktimmis/KubuntuCE but sadly no code their. I expect it's on my other laptop.
[13:55] <ricktimmis> However, it was very early phase. However, Aaron R has done a bunch of work on a QT based welcome UI for Kubuntu Focus. I'm saying we should take that, but I think it's worth a dicussion as a group
[13:55] <ricktimmis> Personally, I love the idea of being able to give our new users some clear steer in whatis where etc...
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:12] <RikMills> sgmoore: if you want to work on it, then I would suggest patching out the online accounts page. That is using a feature that is often very buggy in K/Ubuntu, and won't give a good impression if account addition fails in a welcome app
[14:19] <sgmoore> Indeed. arraybolt3 have you looked at plasma-welcome? it would be much easier to maintian if we use existing framework ( aka kde devs hold responsibility for bugs and what not ) is it possible for us to use that and then Kubuntu Focus patches what you need? I don't want to take away your hard work, I am just thinking future maintainability for Kubuntu.
[14:22] <sgmoore> Right now stock Kubuntu has nothing. If we take yours we would have to carry a patch that de-Focus's it, which well could get ugly.
[14:24] <sgmoore> And for what its worth online accounts seems buggy in all qt apps. From what I have seen upstream is barely maintained for years. KDE devs have tried submitting MR's and it has literally taken years to get responses.
[14:49] <arraybolt3> sgmoore: Kubuntu Focus tried to use plasma-welcome as inspiration, but the whole structure was unsuitable for what we were going for. The UI design was incompatible with the features we wanted, and our wizard's purpose was fundamentally different than plasma-welcome's purpose, thus why we ended up making a whole entire wizard from scratch.
[14:50] <arraybolt3> For Kubuntu itself, I'd say plasma-welcome would be a good fit since it acts as an introduction to the DE, sort of like GNOME's "Tour" in Fedora.
[14:50] <arraybolt3> whereas our wizard was meant for quickly setting up and introducing individual apps and tools.
[14:57] <sgmoore> arraybolt3: That's what I kinda figured, it is very tailored for your platform :) You will just need to disable plasma-welcome on your end. Thanks for your input!
[14:57] <arraybolt3> sure thing!
[14:57] <arraybolt3> Funny enough, we actually ship plasma-welcome and have a screen in our wizard that launches the plasma-welcome one :P
[14:58] <arraybolt3> that way you get all the good from both of them
[14:58] <sgmoore> nice!
[14:59]  * sgmoore puts plasma-welcome on to-do list and adds to workboard
[15:00]  * arraybolt3 is working on the installer prompt some more
[16:26]  * arraybolt3 screams into the void
[16:26] <arraybolt3> NetworkManagerQt is a major headache.
[16:27] <arraybolt3> Trying to fight with the networking code in kubuntu-installer-prompt currently. Turns out there's no *easy* way to determine which WiFi connection is actually connected.
[16:28] <sgmoore> I haven't looked at what you are looking at, but have you looked into solid? I know it has some magic that gets networking info.
[16:29] <arraybolt3> I have not, I didn't know that was a thing.
[16:29] <arraybolt3> I'm trying to use KDE's NetworkManagerQt framework, the same thing the plasma-nm widget uses.
[16:29] <sgmoore> https://invent.kde.org/frameworks/solid
[16:29] <arraybolt3> Trouble is NetworkManager is very... messy, internally.
[16:29] <sgmoore> I have seen applications use ^
[16:30] <sgmoore> may or may not help, but worht a shot :)
[16:30] <arraybolt3> interesting, might be helpful for a second pass
[16:31] <sgmoore> arraybolt3: https://api.kde.org/frameworks/solid/html/
[16:31] <arraybolt3> looking, it says it provides network management but I can't actually see what class would do that
[16:32] <arraybolt3> it has network share support, but that's quite a bit different than what I'm looking for
[16:34] <sgmoore> okay, like I said, it was a long shot. Carry on, sorry to distract you


[14:26] <mrgoodcat> wonder when I got kicked out...
[15:18] <cmaloney> probably don't have rejoin set up
[16:28] <mrgoodcat> i do, but this channel requires to be auth'd with services
[16:28] <mrgoodcat> and i am too lazy to run teh 2 commands to enable sasl
[16:29] <cmaloney> your loss. :)
[22:13] <Scary_Guy> I have SASL enabled and it works great.  I have everything in my weechat configs.  The only password I have is a login one and one for bitlbee since it wants to be difficult.
[22:22] <brian__> The discount code is a lie.
[22:42] <Scary_Guy> See, that makes me want to try "a lie" for the discount code.
[22:43] <brian__> heh
[22:43] <brian__> InformIT's not impressing me very much right now.
[22:44] <brian__> ... or rather, they are, but it's a bad impression.


[05:37] <stgraber> jibel: bug 932539
[05:37] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 932539 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) "qemu exits with -11 when connecting to a port redirect before the service starts listening (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932539
[05:37] <stgraber> jibel: that's the kvm bug preventing auto upgrade testing on Precise
[05:38] <stgraber> jibel: and that's the ugly workaround: http://paste.ubuntu.com/842664/
[05:39] <stgraber> jibel: I'll poke hallyn about it tomorrow (well, later today ...)
[08:29] <jibel> stgraber, ah, mvo filed one already. I think it's the same
[08:30] <jibel> stgraber, bug 921961
[08:30] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 921961 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Precise) (and 1 other project) "qemu-system-x86_64 crashed with SIGSEGV (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921961
[11:39] <njin> stgraber, do you think today is possible to have Lucid build ?
[13:41] <njin> jibel, a god notice, upgraded 10.04.04 to precise via net without problems
[13:42] <jibel> njin, great. Did you see a weird dialog during upgrade asking you where to install grub ?
[13:43] <jibel> I saw that yesterday but not sure if it's my setup
[13:53] <njin> jibel, no, only if mantain the older conf or install the new
[14:05] <stgraber> jibel: they should probably be merged, though in my case I only seem to get the return -11 apport didn't detect a segfault nor was a segfault message printed in the terminal
[14:06] <stgraber> jibel: could be apport not working though, it did that quite a bit recently
[14:45] <jp_Hranice> Hallo there. I have a problem. I am unable to boot from USB at daily live Lucid 10.04 LTS ( I file a bug #932794 )
[14:47] <jibel> bug 932794
[14:49] <jibel> jp_Hranice, is ti public ?
[14:51] <jp_Hranice> jibel: yes, it is.
[14:52] <jp_Hranice> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/932794
[14:57] <jibel> jp_Hranice, thanks, does it boot if you type 'live' without the quotes at the boot prompt ?
[14:58] <cwayne> jp_Hranice: how did you burn the USB stick? With usb-creator-gtk?
[14:58] <jp_Hranice> OK I will try.
[14:58] <jibel> jp_Hranice, which tool did you use to create the stick ?
[14:58] <jibel> (what cwayne just said)
[14:59]  * cwayne has noticed its best to use unetbootin to create sticks for older versions
[14:59] <jp_Hranice> jibel: usb-creator
[15:00] <jibel> jp_Hranice, ok, that's bug 645818 then
[15:00] <jp_Hranice> have I mark as duplicate ?
[15:01] <jibel> jp_Hranice, yes please.
[15:03] <cwayne> jp_Hranice: if you create a new stick with unetbootin it should work
[15:04] <jp_Hranice> OK. Thanks guys.
[15:10] <brendand> jp_Hranice, that's a known bug, assuming you are using a recent version of Ubuntu
[15:10] <brendand> jp_Hranice, you need to use the Lucid version of usb-creator-gtk to create a Lucid live USB stick
[15:10] <brendand> or use unetbootin like cwayne suggested already
[15:11] <jp_Hranice> brendand: Thanks.
[15:24] <charlie-tca> Good morning, testers
[15:28] <jibel> charlie-tca, good morning tester :)
[15:28] <charlie-tca> Looks like Kubuntu 10.04.4 needs a bit of help. will start with 64bit desktop there
[16:31] <njin> charlie-tca, good morning tester
[16:31] <njin> here 5 pm
[16:33] <njin> stgraber, there's a Lucid amd64 rebuild in the next hours?
[16:41] <skaet> njin,  no lucid rebuild planned at this point - not seeing any new regressions/issues, just known bugs.
[16:42]  * skaet keeping an eye on the iso tracker though.... ;)
[18:22] <balloons> looking at the iso tracker, I have time this afternoon to help.. any iso you'd like me to run thru?
[18:23]  * yofel fetches the kubuntu dvd's
[18:24] <charlie-tca> balloons: can you grab Kubuntu 386 desktop?
[18:24] <balloons> yes, i'm hanging out in the #kubuntu-devel channel
[18:24] <balloons> and I am downloading that iso now
[18:25] <balloons> i can queue a ubuntu version up as well.. that will fill the pipes with downloads for a bit ;-)
[18:25] <charlie-tca> I am running 64bit desktop, and should be able to run the alternate 64 tests too, but can't do dvd's due to my internet connec tion
[18:25] <balloons> same same
[18:26] <charlie-tca> I should be able to pay more attention to it now, finished bugsquad meeting
[18:26] <charlie-tca> got until 21:00UTC before the next one
[18:27] <yofel> charlie-tca: I'll do the DVD's
[18:27] <charlie-tca> Great!
[18:27] <yofel> fetching both currently
[18:31] <jibel> balloons, chinese, japanese or korean and validating install would help too.
[18:32] <balloons> jibel, so just grab the say 64 bit desktop iso and try those languages?
[18:33] <balloons> ahh.. i see the non-english tests.. noted
[18:33] <albrigha> jibel, is there something i can test while i'm spending some time with qemi/xen/kvm?
[18:33] <balloons> it will take a bit to get the iso, then I'll roll on those also
[18:33] <jibel> balloons, yes, grab a desktop image, install in chinese then try to input some data in chinese in gedit
[18:34] <jibel> balloons, there's a test scenario that describe it step by step if you're not fluent in chinese
[18:35] <balloons> jibel, why your in luck. i speak excellent mandarin
[18:35]  * balloons is kidding
[18:36] <balloons> thanks i'll look out for the docs
[18:37] <jibel> balloons, and we need also to run a screen reader install too
[18:38] <jibel> and after that I think it's good for ubuntu, only known issues, no regression
[18:38] <jibel> I'm currently running ltsp
[18:38] <jibel> then I'll do vmware easy install.
[18:39] <jibel> if any one wnat to test iscsi, go ahead
[18:49] <charlie-tca> jibel: does wubi have to be done for kubuntu?
[18:50] <jibel> charlie-tca, yes because the installer will use the new image
[18:50] <charlie-tca> Okay
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Will need help with Kubuntu desktop 64, live session (netbook) and wubi. I have no windows machines, and no netbooks.
[20:00] <balloons> jibel, cjk input worked as expected in the test case.. you want me to test for all 4 listed languages, or is one enough?
[20:00] <balloons> i can do the screen reader install now as well
[20:01] <balloons> charlie-tca, the kubuntu i386 went fine
[20:01] <charlie-tca> Great
[20:01] <charlie-tca> Kubuntu desktop 64 except netbook live session and wubi are done
[20:01] <balloons> i need to write down the user/pass combos i use.. lol
[20:02] <charlie-tca> heh
[20:02] <charlie-tca> I know that one :-)
[20:03] <balloons> this seems to have a bad link
[20:03] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/207/builds/11921/testcases/854/results
[20:03] <balloons> is the netbook live session low-fat-settings or ?
[20:03] <balloons> i didn't think kubuntu still shipped the netbook plasma view
[20:04] <balloons> starting on ubuntu i386 screen reader
[20:07] <charlie-tca> I don't really know what the difference is between the netbook live session and the desktop live session
[20:08] <charlie-tca> The test case is invalid, and the download is the same for both
[20:09] <balloons> jibel, the screen reader test seems incorrect for 10.04
[20:10] <charlie-tca> balloons: it probably is.
[20:10] <charlie-tca> There were a ton of changes because of unity
[20:10] <charlie-tca> I can run it, if you want
[20:10] <balloons> i'm rolling thru anyway to ensure screen reader works more or less
[20:10] <balloons> the alt+f9 thing is wrong
[20:10] <charlie-tca> Most of it will be wrong since 10.04 did not have unity
[20:11] <charlie-tca> You have to start with f4 at the menu, I think it is.
[20:12] <astraljava> balloons: Sorry for missing the meeting, but it wouldn't have been productive anyway. I have been way too busy with my personal life issues since last week, so I don't know what has happened in the project, and none of my tasks have progressed anyhow. So, hopefully this changes soon as Beta-1 closes.
[20:12] <balloons> astraljava, no worries.. it has been busy is a serious understatement
[20:12] <charlie-tca> balloons: the alt+F9 is for the unity launchers, as I recall.
[20:12] <balloons> it's been crazy busy :-)
[20:13] <astraljava> Damn right. :)
[20:13] <charlie-tca> balloons: start at step 28 for 10.04
[20:14] <balloons> geg
[20:14] <balloons> hehe
[20:14] <balloons> charlie-tca, no audio on time zone or region
[20:14] <charlie-tca> right
[20:14] <charlie-tca> it has always failed their
[20:14] <charlie-tca> their == there
[20:15] <balloons> hmm.. not hearing partitioning options etheir
[20:15] <charlie-tca> That doesn't sound right
[20:16] <balloons> yea.. it seems to have stopped reading
[20:16] <balloons> hehe
[20:16] <balloons> at spi crash
[20:17] <balloons> ok, so apport couldn't collect info.. how do I report this crash.. shall I reboot and try again or ?
[20:18] <charlie-tca> I usually want it to happen twice before reporting.
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Then if apport fails, report manually using the format at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Bug-Report-Layout
[20:23] <balloons> kk, trying again
[20:23] <charlie-tca> I get to re-write that test every time they change Ubuntu
[20:24] <charlie-tca> and, yes, it is down for another re-write to match the latest unity stuff
[20:25] <balloons> charlie-tca, yes.. it gets fun sometimes I'll bet!
[20:25] <charlie-tca> oh, yeah
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Gives me something to do, every cycle :-)
[20:26] <charlie-tca> I have to try and do that before the beta1 tests
[20:26] <charlie-tca> but, usually, we can't get the accessibility stuff in until after beta1
[20:29] <balloons> hmm yep, stops speaking anything but keyboard commands :-(
[20:29] <balloons> same crash
[20:29] <charlie-tca> ouch
[20:29] <charlie-tca> going to be a bear to fix, too
[20:30] <balloons> yea.. they'll love me
[20:30] <balloons> ok, I'll use the format.. file against which packageD?
[20:31] <charlie-tca> give me a minute
[20:31] <charlie-tca> at-spi
[20:31] <balloons> thanks.. this is what's crashing, https://launchpad.net/at-spi
[20:31] <charlie-tca> since that is what crashed
[20:31] <charlie-tca> that will work
[20:32] <balloons> but do i need to include anything with it.. i guess not
[20:32] <balloons> since casper / ubiquity are fine
[20:32] <charlie-tca> Not
[20:32] <charlie-tca> I will run a verification test and pull logs if possible
[20:32] <charlie-tca> usually, it is a conflict we have to fix with difficulty
[20:35] <balloons> ok, this is feeling lame.. I can't see to find a way to report :( it's greyed out
[20:35] <charlie-tca> what's greyed out?
[20:36] <charlie-tca> Start here and file it manually...
[20:36] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[20:36] <balloons> yes.. working thru it :-)
[20:36] <charlie-tca> Then, to complete the test, click failed, enter a bug number under bugs found, and click save
[20:37] <balloons> stuck on password again
[20:37] <balloons> lol
[20:37] <balloons> sheesh
[20:38] <charlie-tca> was that in a virtual machine?
[20:38] <charlie-tca> I am going to run it against real hardware. As I recall, it won't work in VM's
[20:39] <balloons> charlie-tca, actually it was in a vm
[20:39] <balloons> good point
[20:39] <balloons> i don't have real hardware i can test on
[20:39] <charlie-tca> I don't think it will work in a vm
[20:39] <balloons> to reproduce, basically just start the install
[20:39] <charlie-tca> Let me run it on hardware and see what happens
[20:39] <balloons> it reads the first screen fine, then stops reading
[20:40] <balloons> if you close installer, you'll see the crash dialog pop up
[20:40] <balloons> k -- I'll hold on pressing the submit button :-)
[20:40] <charlie-tca> Okay.  My cd burn failed
[20:42] <charlie-tca> trying again
[20:46] <balloons> hmmmm
[20:46] <charlie-tca> Okay, booting now
[20:47] <yofel> hm, how up-to-date are the ISO's supposed to be? here the system is telling me that I have ~220 security updates pending after installation
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I haven't had any on the desktop 64 image
[20:49] <charlie-tca> It sounds almost like an out of date image
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I would expect 220 or so from 10.04.3
[20:50] <charlie-tca> or even earlier than that
[20:50]  * yofel looks for the checksums
[20:53] <charlie-tca> balloons: alt+F1 to get to menus, left arrow, left arrow, down arrow, down arrow, left arrow, down arrow to install
[20:53] <yofel> skaet: the kubuntu lucid images that are up for testing for 10.04.4 have the same checksums as the images for 10.04.2
[20:53] <yofel> the DVD images
[20:53] <balloons> alt+f1.. I remember that :-)
[20:54] <skaet> yofel,  that's weird.
[20:54]  * skaet looking
[20:54] <charlie-tca> But that's only for 10.04
[20:54] <yofel> I fetched it from rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/lucid/dvd/20110215/lucid-dvd-i386.iso
[20:55] <yofel> oh
[20:55] <yofel> 2011
[20:55] <yofel> skaet: ^
[20:55] <yofel> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/207/builds/11935/downloads
[20:55] <charlie-tca> balloons: still working. got through the keyboard section
[20:55] <skaet> yofel, fixing...
[20:56] <charlie-tca> The catch is, if you use the mouse, the keyboard doesn't always make it talk again
[20:56] <yofel> thank
[20:56] <yofel> s
[20:57] <charlie-tca> Working through the disk partitions, now at Who are you
[20:57] <balloons> charlie-tca, yea, i didn't use the mouse .. but I did use escape, tab, down enter to run the installer
[20:57] <charlie-tca> escape turns off orca in this one
[20:57] <charlie-tca> I think
[20:58] <charlie-tca> Made it through the installer. It is quite a complicated process now, after working with unity
[20:59] <charlie-tca> and, of course, the buttons don't all read correctly. It looks okay, though
[20:59] <charlie-tca> Now installing
[20:59] <balloons> ok, charlie-tca likely false alarm then
[20:59] <balloons> thanks for checking it out
[21:00] <charlie-tca> balloons: practice makes perfect. It is a very involved process to do the install from the screenreader
[21:00] <charlie-tca> and, I did not follow the test case :-(
[21:00] <charlie-tca> I did it from memory
[21:00]  * balloons is impressed
[21:01] <charlie-tca> It is much more impressive when you not so visually impaired people manage to make it work
[21:02] <balloons> alrighty
[21:02] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:03] <balloons> well, i can grab another iso and test.. perhaps the alt kubuntu i386
[21:03] <charlie-tca> Some of us have more practice with these things :-)
[21:03] <skaet> yofel,  yeah it was a date confusion, and i thought the DVD had been built and just needed to be posted.   turned out to be the 10.04.2 one.
[21:03]  * skaet looking into getting it built now.
[21:03] <charlie-tca> I will run both screenreader installs, and then hit the alternate 64 for kubuntu
[21:04] <yofel> I'll do the 86 alternate then while waiting on the DVD's
[21:05] <yofel> ah, you're going to do that balloons?
[21:05] <charlie-tca> You can have the 64 alternate if you want
[21:05] <yofel> I'll take that then
[21:05] <balloons> ok, sounds good
[21:05] <charlie-tca> I have to run these screenreader tests in Ubuntu first
[21:17] <skaet> yofel,  have started the build off...
[21:18] <yofel> :)
[21:18] <balloons> 5 mins left on iso dl
[21:18] <balloons> yaya
[21:48] <charlie-tca> screenreader 386 install working
[21:50] <njin> charlie-tca, i still affected by the session started mute, is fixed on one mache but not on the other
[21:50] <balloons> i386 kubuntu alt going well
[21:50] <charlie-tca> njin: the chances of that getting fixed in 10.04 is almost nil, though.
[21:50] <charlie-tca> It is machine specific
[21:50] <njin> sure
[22:04]  * balloons never realized the alt installer is so much slower than ubiquity
[22:05] <skaet> Lucid 10.04.4 Kubuntu DVD's posted to the iso tracker.
[22:05] <skaet> yofel, ^  hopefully all matches up nicely now...
[22:06] <yofel> resyncing
[22:17] <charlie-tca> Okay, screen readers are done. Which tests are next?
[22:18] <balloons> i'm rolling thru the i386 stuff.. doing encryption now
[22:18] <charlie-tca> yofel: should I run 64bit alternate encrypted/
[22:18] <charlie-tca> ?
[22:19] <yofel> sure, I'm doing auto-resize currently
[22:19] <charlie-tca> got it
[22:21] <charlie-tca> You are going to the dvd tests next? If so, I will finish the alternate 64
[22:23] <yofel> that would be good
[22:26] <charlie-tca> Okay, then I will probably go do a korean language install of Ubuntu to satisfy the CJK install
[22:30] <balloons> charlie-tca, which version? i did a korean cjk for i386
[22:31] <balloons> ubuntu that is
[22:31] <charlie-tca> 64bit needs a non-network install
[23:01] <charlie-tca> oops,. Ubuntu 64 needs the network cjk install
[23:03] <balloons> k.. i386 kubuntu encryption looks good
[23:03] <charlie-tca> yay!
[23:07] <yofel> DVDs look fine too so far this time (d-i full install and live session)
[23:08] <balloons> k guys -- I'm out for today.. food is calling :-)
[23:09] <charlie-tca> balloons: Thanks for helping
[23:09] <balloons> it was fun
[23:09] <balloons> thanks for helping me!
[23:09] <yofel> thank you for helping too


[12:26] <somerville32> Burgwork, ping
[12:26] <Burgwork> somerville32: pong
[12:27] <somerville32> Did UWN 24 get mailed?
[12:27] <Burgwork> nope, because work has been so nuts today
[12:27] <somerville32> Are we going to send out UWN24 and 25 tonight?
[12:28] <Burgwork> 24
[12:28] <somerville32> 25 is almost ready
[12:28] <somerville32> And is suppose to be shipped today
[12:28] <somerville32> But I don't see a problem is delaying it
[12:29] <somerville32> *in
[12:29] <Burgwork> yep
[12:29] <Burgwork> I don't mind shipping 24 tongith and 25 on friday and then 26 a week today
[12:29] <somerville32> k, perfect.
[12:30] <somerville32> Well, I've already started on 26.
[12:30] <somerville32> I can't do too much more on 25
[12:30] <Burgwork> ok, sorry for the delay
[12:30] <Burgwork> I should probably hand off more of the UWN
[12:31] <somerville32> I dunno what there is to hand off
[12:31] <Burgwork> need to figure out a better method for the feisty thing
[12:38] <somerville32> Mmm
[12:44] <somerville32> jenda: Still up?
[12:44] <jenda> yeap
[12:45] <somerville32> Jenda: Will you make me some Ubuntu business cards? <g>
[12:45] <jenda> hmm
[12:45] <jenda> somerville32: you know what...
[12:45] <jenda> that's not a bad idea...
[12:45] <somerville32> :D
[12:45] <jenda> somerville32: find me 3 other people that would be interested, that'll make 5 of us.
[12:46] <somerville32> Well, can you find out a price?
[12:46] <somerville32> :]
[12:46] <jenda> with 200 cards apiece, we could get some serious discounting ;)
[12:46] <somerville32> Woot! :D
[12:46] <jenda> I'll try.

[12:46] <jenda> have the cards pre-printed on pre-lined A4 sheets...
[12:48] <jenda> Is there a fixed size for cards, or can I change it a bit? :)
[12:48] <somerville32> Unknown.
[12:48] <somerville32> There is artwork already for it, you know
[12:49] <jenda> yes
[12:49] <jenda> but artwork size can be altered.
[12:49] <jenda> This could get _really_ cheap.
[12:49] <jenda> with decent quality ;)
[12:49] <somerville32> Woot :]
[12:50] <jenda> got a piece of paper and a ruler? :)
[12:50] <somerville32> Yup.
[12:51] <jenda> got centimiters on that ruler? :)
[12:54] <jenda> Try drawing a rectangle 7.4  4.3
[12:54] <jenda> is that good enough for a card?
[12:58] <jenda> Muhehe
[12:59] <jenda> I can fit 15 cards with dimensions 4.933  8 cm on an A4 sheet of paper.
[12:59] <jenda> somerville32? :)
[12:59] <jenda> My idea is, have 300 sheets of harder paper with those cards pre-carved out of it made by the printer.
[01:00] <jenda> and then either ship them blank to the person and email an .ods spreadsheet measured exactly for the printing (risky) or simply print out one's data on them.
[01:01] <jenda> somerville32: how much would you be willing to pay for 45 cards?
[01:07] <somerville32> Hmm...
[01:09] <somerville32> 6.75 USD?
[01:11] <jenda> noted
[01:11] <jenda> good.
[01:11] <jenda> that's plenty possible ;)
[01:12] <somerville32> $5 would be a nice round fee <g>
[01:12] <jenda> hehe :)
[01:13] <jenda> I need some sort of margin, too.
[01:13] <somerville32> I thought you were doing this out of the kindness of your Ubuntu heart! : O
[01:14] <somerville32> Maybe $0.12 a card then plus $0.10 processing fee
[01:14] <somerville32> So that would be $5.50
[01:14] <somerville32> And make sure it is the thick paper too
[01:14] <somerville32> The good stuff
[01:15] <jenda> I'll have to get a quote on it first ;)
[01:15] <somerville32> $0.10 processing fee for every 45 cards at $0.12 per card.
[01:16] <jenda> If I ended up 'processing' with scissors, the quality would go down rapidly, too.
[01:16] <somerville32> hehe
[01:16] <jenda> So they need to be willing to pre-chop it up.
[06:54] <cellofellow> somerville32: ping
[06:54] <somerville32> pong
[06:55] <cellofellow> http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/ubuntu/ubuntu-leaflet-p1_cellofellow-xubuntu.svg
[06:57] <somerville32> lol
[06:57] <cellofellow> it's a noisy little machine
[06:57] <cellofellow> maybe my dns got messed up again.
[06:58] <cellofellow> yup. one minute...
[06:59] <cellofellow> s wrong with ddclient
[06:59] <cellofellow> ok, try that
[07:00] <cellofellow> http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/ubuntu/ubuntu-leaflet-p1_cellofellow-xubuntu.svg
[07:00] <somerville32> Transx
[07:00] <somerville32> Hmmm
[07:00] <somerville32> Now it just has Kubuntu and Canonical on it :P
[07:01] <cellofellow> no Xubuntu?
[07:01] <somerville32> Nope.
[07:02] <cellofellow> in firefox? firefox is crap for SVG that's all I see too. try inkscape or opera or konq
[07:03] <cellofellow> do you have one of those somerville32?
[07:04] <somerville32> Nope.
[07:04] <cellofellow> :(
[07:04] <cellofellow> Install Inkscape it's no biggie. OOo Draw might work too.
[07:05] <somerville32> k
[07:05] <somerville32> One sec
[07:06] <cellofellow> It goes nicely with abiword and gnumeric
[07:06] <Burgundavia> cellofellow: because it isn't something that a lot of users need to use
[07:07] <cellofellow> ok. :)
[07:09] <cellofellow> somerville32: how's it coming?
[07:11] <Burgundavia> somerville32: lets get this 24 out
[07:12] <somerville32> Burgundavia, Alrighty! :]
[07:12] <somerville32> cellofellow, Visiting now
[07:12] <somerville32> OH wait...
[07:12] <somerville32> Opera just died on me
[07:12] <somerville32> :(
[07:15] <cellofellow> just try this page http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/ubuntu/ links to both svg pages.
[07:17] <somerville32> :]
[07:17] <Burgundavia> somerville32: have we completely spell checked 24?
[07:17] <cellofellow> 24?
[07:18] <somerville32> Burgundavia, I haven't but I believe that Elky did
[07:18] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:19] <somerville32> gimp can't open svgs, gah :(
[07:19] <cellofellow> gimp is raster (bitmap) images, not vectors.
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> You can add svg capability to gimp
[07:20] <cellofellow> gimp-svg I think
[07:20] <cellofellow> !gimp-svg
[07:20] <ubotu> gimp-svg: SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics) plugin for The GIMP. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.13-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 62 kB, installed size 128 kB
[07:20] <cellofellow> better just to use Inkscape somerville32
[07:20] <cellofellow> how hard is it to get on the same page with a document?
[07:22] <somerville32> cellofellow, I have a slow slow old computer
[07:22] <somerville32> To install software, I have to stop everything I'm doing an wait because it gets so slow
[07:22] <cellofellow> everyone else is welcome to look too if they want. http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/ubuntu
[07:22] <cellofellow> apt takes that much resources?
[07:23] <somerville32> I have a 333mhz w/ 128mb of ram
[07:23] <somerville32> I currently have 2mb of ram left and I only have xchat, gaim, firefox, and terminal open
[07:23] <somerville32> plus beep-media-player
[07:23] <cellofellow> let me try to pdf-ize this doc.
[07:23] <somerville32> That would be perfect.
[07:23] <somerville32> :]
[07:23] <Burgundavia> 24 is out!
[07:23] <somerville32> Yeah!! :)
[07:24] <Burgundavia> finally
[07:24] <somerville32> Onto 25? <g>
[07:24] <cellofellow> what's 24? elnighten the new guy.
[07:24] <cellofellow> enlighten
[07:24] <Burgundavia> ubuntu weekly news, #24
[07:24] <cellofellow> url?
[07:25] <Burgundavia> somerville32: one thing, remember to fix the redirect at /current
[07:25] <somerville32> Ah. k
[07:25] <somerville32> :]
[07:25] <somerville32> Want me to do that now or did you already get it?
[07:26] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: ping
[07:26] <Burgundavia> already got it
[07:26] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue24 <--- cellofellow
[07:26] <cellofellow> how do I get openoffice to have SVG support? or Inkscape PDF support?
[07:27] <Burgundavia> inkscape should just do pdf
[07:27] <cellofellow> ok
[07:28] <cellofellow> why doesn't OpenOffice do SVG? it's a standard XML format like ODD.
[07:28] <cellofellow> OpenDocument Drawing
[07:30] <cellofellow> I can't find a PDF export in Inkscape. PNG I can do though. What's a good dpi?
[07:34] <cellofellow> somerville32: http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/ubuntu/ubuntu-leaflet-p1_cellofellow-xubuntu.png
[07:36] <somerville32> Nice!
[07:36] <cellofellow> what's the rest of the marketing team here think?
[07:38] <somerville32> Marketing team... think?
[07:38] <Burgundavia> I try not to
[07:38] <Burgundavia> hurts me brain, plus the cold slows it down
[07:39] <Burgundavia> I have always found that brochure to be too bright and too wordy, but it looks good
[07:39] <cellofellow> I was just trying my hand at this stuff. Good first try then?
[07:42] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[07:42] <cellofellow> thanks :D
[07:43] <cellofellow> If I'm going to be on the marketing team, should I join the Launchpad team?
[07:45] <Burgundavia> si tu veux
[07:45] <cellofellow> ok, just did.
[07:57] <elkbuntu> ugh. attack of the coreys
[07:58] <elkbuntu> cellofellow, inkscape sucks at doing odd too, so it's only fair ;)
[08:00] <cellofellow> :) good point. I just thought I just might find svg in OpenOffice scrolling through all of those supported file formats. sgv came up a bit, but not svg.
[08:00] <elkbuntu> cellofellow, what about ai or eps?
[08:01] <cellofellow> I don't think so.
[08:01] <elkbuntu> postscript?
[08:02] <cellofellow> I didn't look for that.
[08:02] <cellofellow> It might be there.
[08:02] <elkbuntu> it should be fine so long as you dont have transparency
[08:02] <Burgundavia__> bleeding NM
[08:03] <cellofellow> inkscape can export to postscript with the print function. just put > /path/to/file.ps in the print dialog.
[08:03] <elkbuntu> heheh
[08:03] <elkbuntu> cellofellow, i know it can, but it fails with alpha
[08:03] <cellofellow> I see.
[08:04] <cellofellow> turning ps to pdf is easy right?
[08:07] <Burgundavia> cellofellow: inkscape will do pdf export
[08:07] <cellofellow> how? I just can't get it to work right now.
[08:09] <Burgundavia> which version do you have?
[08:09] <cellofellow> Inkscape 0.44 (Oct  9 2006)
[08:11] <Burgundavia> jenda: ping
[08:11] <Burgundavia> hmm, should just work
[08:11] <Burgundavia> file a bug on it
[08:12] <cellofellow> where is the button to do it?
[08:12] <Burgundavia> file a bug?
[08:12] <cellofellow> that's my real problem, user-dunceness
[08:12] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:12] <Burgundavia> file it in Lp
[08:13] <cellofellow> not filing bugs, printing pdf's. If it can, how do I do it?
[08:13] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:14] <Burgundavia> cellofellow: save as PDF
[08:15] <cellofellow> ok
[08:18] <elkbuntu> inkscape exported pdf for me last night quite happily
[08:18] <cellofellow> :]
[08:21] <cellofellow> I just tried that and it looked nasty. All the text got rendered as bitmap instead of fonts.
[08:21] <cellofellow> never mind found that option
[08:22] <cellofellow> but now all the text is gone. :( this isn't working out too well
[08:23] <Burgundavia> pdf export is not optimal
[08:24] <cellofellow> Is there a way to just print to pdf?
[08:24] <cellofellow> set up a PDF printer?
[09:27] <rhkfin> Hi people, you're doing great job! To who can I submit some LoCo news to possibly be released in the next UWN?
[09:28] <tonyyarusso> rhkfin: There's an "Ideas" page on the wiki, drop it on there.
[09:28] <rhkfin> ok, will do. Thank's!
[09:29] <tonyyarusso> rhkfin: Also, you could check the list of editors and "beats", and try to ping whoever's doing community news (Cody?)
[09:30] <jenda> Burgundavia: pong
[09:30] <jenda> Burgwork: pong
[09:30] <Burgundavia> jenda: hey
[09:31] <somerville32> jenda: I thought you ere going to bed.
[09:32] <jenda> somerville32: I got up already.
[09:32] <somerville32> jenda: Maybe it's time for me to go to bed then?
[09:33] <jenda> somerville32: probably ;)
[09:33] <rhkfin> tonyyarusso: here?: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Ideas
[09:33] <jenda> somerville32: way past, in fact.
[09:34] <tonyyarusso> rhkfin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Ideas - there
[09:34] <rhkfin> ok
[09:34] <Burgundavia> rhkfin: elkbuntu does loco team news
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: ping
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> or actually who worked on on the UWN
[11:01] <tonyyarusso> Admiral_Chicago: Is there an error?
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> tonyyarusso: no, i would just like to make a revision to the Kurdish / Ubuntu section
[11:02] <Admiral_Chicago> err an update really
[11:02] <tonyyarusso> ah
[11:02] <tonyyarusso> Well, if it's an update maybe it should go in the next one, doncha think?
[11:03] <Admiral_Chicago> It seems like the article should read something like "the local team, (ubuntu etc) was not implicated in any way and was never in any harm's way"
[11:03] <Admiral_Chicago> whatever the case may be
[11:04] <tonyyarusso> ah
[11:05] <tonyyarusso> Well, try pinging him when it's not 2 AM there I guess
[11:05] <tonyyarusso> Although you and I are both up later than that ;)
[11:05] <Admiral_Chicago> it left me in suspense, i know the story but not everyone knows the outcome
[11:05] <Admiral_Chicago> tonyyarusso: true
[11:06] <Admiral_Chicago> tonyyarusso: congrats on the membership btw
[11:10] <poningru> ah awesome
[11:11] <Admiral_Chicago> gotta run and do work
[11:32] <pschulz01> Wah?
[11:32] <pschulz01> ahh.. mixing the metaphores.
[11:33] <omgponiezlol> ?
[11:34] <pschulz01> I figure out what your nic was..
[11:34] <pschulz01> :-)
[11:34] <omgponiezlol> ha, i enjoy it
[03:52] <jenda> MenZa!
[04:22] <newz2000> Hey, just wanted to say, great job on the UWN. The last couple have been packed with good info and really helps me get a feel for what else is going on in the community. Thanks.
[04:23] <jenda> hehe :)
[04:23] <tonyyarusso> awesome
[04:23] <jenda> Burgundavia^
[04:38] <pitti> hi
[04:38] <pitti> is any Ubuntu Weekly News editor here? It seems that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Ideas is obsolete; where to send suggestions to?
[04:42] <tonyyarusso> pitti: That is the proper page, it merely hasn't been made use of recently.  However, you are the second person today with that question.  Please add yours there, and I will try to clean up the page so that it is more obvious that it has a purpose.  :)
[04:42] <tonyyarusso> Looks like we're starting to reach that critical mass of readership where we start getting input, which is awesome!
[04:43] <pitti> tonyyarusso: ah, great, thank you
[04:43] <pitti> tonyyarusso: in particular I wanted to add a pointer to 'new feature foo, please test' announcements
[04:43] <tonyyarusso> pitti: Oo, cool.
[04:44] <pitti> tonyyarusso: I sent them to ubuntu-devel@, I'm not sure whether you scan that list for news anyway or it's better to add it to Ideas
[04:44] <pitti> or, whether you want to get spammed with those kinds of announcements in the first place :)
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> pitti: We try to watch as much as we can, but as a general rule we'd be more likely to catch stuff on -devel-announce.
[04:44] <pitti> tonyyarusso: ah, I see; I'm not sure that new features are important enough for -announce
[04:45] <pitti> tonyyarusso: and since u-devel@ is now much less crowded, I decided for that
[04:45] <pitti> tonyyarusso: me too :/
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> pitti: Maybe some sort of [UWN!!!]  flag in the subject line? ;)
[04:45] <pitti> tonyyarusso: ok, if you prefer stuff on Ideas, then I just add a line with a pointer
[04:46] <pitti> tonyyarusso: [UWN]  -> yay procmail :0
[04:46] <pitti> :) even
[04:46] <tonyyarusso> pitti: ubuntu-marketing@ would also work, as well as dropping some kind of comment on Gobby
[04:46] <tonyyarusso> Or the wiki page, depending on the stage of editing
[04:47] <pitti> tonyyarusso: hm, I don't feel like destroying the current editing version; what would you prefer, CC'ing -marketing@ or adding to the Ideas wiki page?
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> pitti: atm, CC'ing -marketing is probably more effective, just b/c of the current state.  I would like to get the Ideas page relevant again though, so if you throw it both places it will get both a) noticed, and b) help others realize it's a good spot
[04:49] <pitti> tonyyarusso: alright. thanks for the suggestions!
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> Thank you for the input!
[05:13] <seaLne> hiya i was wondering what the best way of getting new behindubuntu interviews mentioned in the newletter was?
[05:16] <tonyyarusso> seaLne: Drop them on the Ideas page for it.
[05:16] <tonyyarusso> seaLne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Ideas
[05:17] <seaLne> i just had a look and it didn't seem to have been edited in a few months
[05:17] <seaLne> so i was thinking that wasn't the way now
[05:18] <tonyyarusso> seaLne: You're absolutely correct - but you're now the third person today with that type of question, so I hope to revive it :)  It's just that we weren't really getting idea submissions, and were having to find stuff on our own.
[05:18] <tonyyarusso> This way is so much cooler :)
[05:18] <tonyyarusso> seaLne: You could also hit up the -marketing mailing list if you'd like
[05:25] <seaLne> ok added to wiki
[05:26] <MenZa> hey jenda
[05:36] <tonyyarusso> Whoa.  We even got a high-five from Mark for the latest UWN
[06:56] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: that we did
[06:56] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: please turn off your away message :)
[07:36] <Burgwork> subscriptions to ubuntu-news are way up
[08:06] <beuno> hellos
[08:07] <jenda> yo beuno
[08:08] <beuno> how's it going?
[08:08] <jenda> tired
[08:08] <jenda> just came back from a seminar.
[08:18] <beuno> ;D
[08:18] <beuno> do you know if there's any news on the webpage?
[08:19] <jenda> there would be, if I got bzr working :)
[08:20] <beuno> ooops
[08:20] <beuno> heh, ok ok
[08:21] <beuno> I've been playing with some PHP stuff, but I'm waiting for a *frontend* on the howto section to really give it a start
[08:25] <jenda> a frontend?
[08:26] <beuno> yeah, the CSS layout
[08:30] <jenda> Wait, he doesn't!
[08:31] <beuno> lol
[08:31] <beuno> well
[08:31] <beuno> I just figured it out
[08:32] <beuno> so I guess that's all that matters  ;D
[08:32] <beuno> going to get something working by friday
[08:32] <beuno> gonno try at least
[10:50] <jenda> AAARGH
[10:51] <jenda> I just lost $30 on currency fluctuations :/
[10:52] <beuno> 8|
[10:53] <beuno> not very fun...
[10:54] <jenda> Fortunately, I made 220 on the stuff.
[10:54] <jenda> so That leaves $190 for marketing :l
[10:54] <jenda> that sucks, a bit, but it still leaves something.
[10:54] <jenda> Lemme see if I lost anything on the euros.
[10:58] <beuno> selling what?
[10:59] <tsmithe> evening
[10:59] <jenda> posters and stickers
[11:00] <jenda> beuno: I don't consider the cash mine.
[11:00] <tsmithe> jenda, you're into currency trading too?
[11:00] <jenda> tsmithe: since y'all pay in USD, and I bought the stuff in CZK, what choice do I have?
[11:00] <tsmithe> oh
[11:00] <beuno> got it
[11:00] <tsmithe> i thought you were looking for a profit :)
[11:00] <tsmithe> i've gotta start doing that...
[11:01] <jenda> hehe
[11:02] <tsmithe> did i pay in usd?
[11:02] <jenda> tsmithe: I think the margin is a bit too low to interest you.
[11:02] <tsmithe> yeah
[11:02] <jenda> tsmithe: dunno, might've been euro.
[11:02] <tsmithe> i think i paid in euros yeah... but not czk
[11:02] <jenda> I made them $190 on an investment of about $600
[11:02] <tsmithe> cool
[11:03] <tsmithe> i'm sure if i waited long enough the dollar would go up to around 60. meaning about 5p in the pound profit... or 5% :)
[11:03] <jenda> I doubt it.
[11:03] <jenda> But someone did just gain my $30, somewhere :)
[11:04] <beuno> jenda, how does Ubuntu handle all this type of things?
[11:04] <jenda> beuno: it doesn't :)
[11:04] <beuno> We want to make posters and tshirts and all that to sell here
[11:04] <jenda> that's where the DIY project comes in.
[11:04] <jenda> Do It Yourself
[11:04] <beuno> but I'm not sure if that's going to conflict somehow
[11:04] <jenda> All finances are private.
[11:04] <jenda> Not at all, it's exactly what I want you to do :)
[11:05] <beuno> really?
[11:05] <beuno> that would be a good way to finance the LoCo...
[11:05] <jenda> And Canonical seems to support it, at least quietly, in a way.
[11:05] <jenda> yes, you can do that.
[11:05] <beuno> oh, cause I know Mozilla doesn't
[11:05] <jenda> Just make sure you're being transparent about it.
[11:05] <jenda> I will publish all my finances on the DIY site once it's done.
[11:05] <jenda> beuno: what's your primary language?
[11:06] <beuno> spanish
[11:06] <jenda> wooo
[11:06] <jenda> And would you be interested in making and selling spanish posters?
[11:06] <beuno> absolutely
[11:06] <beuno> I can finance some of it myself to get it started
[11:06] <beuno> in fact...
[11:07] <beuno> I have a branch in spain (I'm in argentina) so maybe I can distribute them there too...
[11:07] <tsmithe> i could do english posters :)
[11:09] <jenda> meh
[11:09] <jenda> $148, it looks like :(
[11:10] <jenda> a few more payments might come in, I s'pose, but not budging much from there.
[11:10] <jenda> It's still cash, though :)
[11:10] <tsmithe> (to the side) who's he talking to?
[11:10] <tsmithe> hi jenda :)
[11:11] <beuno> jenda, so how can I help with this?
[11:11] <jenda> get the swag design from doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing
[11:11] <jenda> redesign it for spanish...
[11:11] <jenda> get it printed...
[11:11] <jenda> sell.
[11:11] <jenda> you can keep the money.
[11:11] <tsmithe> $$$
[11:12] <beuno> lol
[11:12] <jenda> If you use it for the locoteam... that's perfect :)
[11:12] <beuno> where can I send the redesign so others con use it?
[11:12] <jenda> I used it to pay for ubuntuforums.org vBulletin license and DNS hosting for next year :)
[11:12] <jenda> and I still have those $$ left for marketing.
[11:12] <jenda> beuno: me :)
[11:12] <jenda> I'll upload them there.
[11:13] <beuno> cool
[11:13] <jenda> And it'll all be on the DIY website, eventually.
[11:13] <beuno> great
[11:13] <jenda> (BTW, anyone can upload them once they join the marketing team in launchpad)
[11:13] <beuno> I'm starting to get an idea of how this works
[11:13] <tsmithe> jenda, i know
[11:13] <jenda> beuno: feel free to do anything with english text, too.
[11:13] <tsmithe> when i have something to upload, i'll go
[11:13] <beuno> I've been in the launchpam MT for a while now
[11:13] <tsmithe> "wow! that's so cool!"
[11:13] <beuno> Martin Albisetti
[11:14] <jenda> cool
[11:14] <jenda> beuno: next step, learn bzr :)
[11:14] <jenda> and ssh
[11:14] <beuno> yes, I've been fighting with it all day
[11:14] <beuno> ssh and stuff I can do
[11:14] <beuno> I manage a few linux servers
[11:14] <beuno> so I know my way around the console
[11:14] <jenda> cool ;)
[11:14] <beuno> much better then the GUI  ;D
[11:14] <tsmithe> fo sho
[11:15] <jenda> Well, unless you become a massproducing swag-spewing machine, you don't really have to worry about it :)
[11:15] <jenda> Dan and I can do it ;)
[11:15] <beuno> well, I'm gonno run this by the LoCo members and see what they think
[11:15] <beuno> yeah, that would be great at first
[11:16] <beuno> until I can understand how it works well enough not to break anything
[11:16] <jenda> beuno: BTW, once you have it ready, fill me in on the details...
[11:16] <tsmithe> and me
[11:16] <tsmithe> i wanna be up to date on all the goss
[11:16] <jenda> beuno: it's possible that printing here and the entire pack to you would be cheaper than printing there ;)
[11:16] <beuno> you think so?
[11:16] <tsmithe> more likely than not
[11:17] <beuno> maybe it will be the other way around
[11:17] <tsmithe> hes in czechorepublic
[11:17] <jenda> beuno: If, however, anyone in the LoCo owns a printer.... ;)
[11:17] <beuno> I'm in Argentina
[11:17] <jenda> Shouldn't matter - we can compare the prices anyway.
[11:17] <jenda> ;)
[11:17] <beuno> yeah
[11:17] <beuno> well
[11:17] <beuno> let's see
[11:18] <beuno> I made tshirts a while back with text on em for 4.5 us dollars
[11:18] <beuno> per tshirt
[11:18] <jenda> but what quality?
[11:18] <jenda> (BTW, that's very cheap ;))
[11:18] <beuno> pretty good, I've washed the one I used over 30 times and still is perfect
[11:18] <beuno> yeah, Argentina ir really cheap right now
[11:18] <beuno> is
[11:18] <jenda> Yeah, Argentina is a good country for this too :)
[11:19] <jenda> (BTW, shipping prices are an issue too)
[11:19] <beuno> yes
[11:19] <beuno> that's a different story
[11:19] <jenda> shipping a shirt from here costs cca $4
[11:19] <jenda> anywhere
[11:19] <jenda> par avion ;)
[11:19] <tsmithe> beuno, that's an amazing price
[11:19] <tsmithe> here it's more like 5
[11:19] <tsmithe> so 8$
[11:20] <beuno> yeap
[11:20] <beuno> and I only made 50
[11:20] <tsmithe> wow
[11:20] <beuno> I guess the price lowers
[11:20] <tsmithe> that was for 100
[11:20] <beuno> for more
[11:20] <tsmithe> indeedy
[11:20] <beuno> it was the classic "no, I won't fix your computer" one
[11:21] <jenda> hehe
[11:21] <jenda> beuno: I will be making shirts soon, but I'll be aiming for higher quality.
[11:21] <beuno> I got pretty tired of getting asked if I could take a look at...
[11:21] <jenda> Polo shirts, too.
[11:21] <beuno> oh, REALLY high quality
[11:22] <jenda> well, quality that'll make you wear it because it's a t-shirt, not because it has Ubuntu on it :)
[11:22] <beuno> it's a good angle
[11:23] <tsmithe> and i said decent
[11:23] <tsmithe> not crappy
[11:23] <tsmithe> hmm
[11:24] <jenda> hehe
[11:25] <tsmithe> well, after that kind of outburst, i had to make it feel less awkward in here!
[11:25] <beuno> lol
[11:25] <tsmithe> wow awkward is a word where both syllables have a "w"
[11:25] <tsmithe> i never noticed english having so many "w"s before
[11:26] <tsmithe> hmm
[11:26] <tsmithe> i'll just go talk to a scarecrow
[11:26] <jenda> tsmithe: I noticed.
[11:27] <jenda> I do keyboard layouts :/
[11:27] <jenda> it makes my life difficult :)
[11:27] <tsmithe> :)
[11:27] <tsmithe> qwerty
[11:27] <tsmithe> right next to e
[11:27] <tsmithe> but how do you mean "do"?
[11:28] <jenda> I use my own customised dvorakish layout.
[11:28] <jenda> And I'm working on a full Czech dvorak layout.
[11:28] <jenda> Totally impossible task :/
[11:29] <jenda> and I'm also trying to make the 21st century Czech keyboard, which expects you to type English quite often as well as Czech.
[11:29] <jenda> W is very common in E
[11:29] <jenda> NEVER used in C
[11:29] <jenda> :/
[11:29] <jenda> as are FG and Q.
[11:30] <tsmithe> awk
[11:30] <tsmithe> that's a lot of hacking you'd have to do
[11:30] <tsmithe> i hate having to do accents and umlauts
[11:30] <tsmithe> stupid crappy keyboards
[11:31] <tsmithe> they're a rubbish medium anyway
[11:31] <jenda> hehe
[11:31] <jenda> not if you set them up right :)
[11:32] <tsmithe> really?
[11:32] <tsmithe> how can i do it
[11:32] <jenda> use xmodmap :)
[11:33] <jenda> man xmodmap
[11:33] <jenda> and:
[11:33] <jenda> nano /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.<languagecode>
[11:33] <tsmithe> huh does that help with accents?
[11:33] <tsmithe> really?
[11:33] <tsmithe> how?
[11:33] <tsmithe> hmm
[11:34] <tsmithe> i use it for multimedia keys
[11:34] <jenda> it's quite tough to master, really ;)
[11:34] <tsmithe> i know
[11:34] <tsmithe> that's why i stopped there
[11:34] <jenda> but once you know your way around, it can do anything to your keyboard.
[11:34] <jenda>
[11:34] <tsmithe> wow
[11:35] <tsmithe> "i'll do anything for you, dear, anything, for you, dear, anything... anything?... anything for you!"
[11:35] <tsmithe> ...
[11:35] <somerville32> Did you guys read Mark's letter?
[11:35] <tsmithe> which one?
[11:35] <somerville32> The one praising UWN24 :D
[11:36] <tsmithe> ah yeah
[11:36] <tsmithe> i read it
[11:36] <tsmithe> congrats
[11:36] <tsmithe> :)
[11:36] <jenda>  - teh bt eekly es
[11:36] <jenda> :)
[11:36] <tsmithe> hey that's a crazy kind of "w"
[11:36] <tsmithe> all curly and junk
[11:36] <somerville32> :D
[11:37] <tsmithe> n
[11:37] <jenda> somerville32: Actually, I accidentally deleted that letter from the ubnutu-marketing list queue, so I had to ask him to resend it :)
[11:37] <tsmithe> and that n
[11:37] <tsmithe> !
[11:37] <jenda> tsmithe: it's an 'omega'
[11:37] <tsmithe> ah
[11:37] <somerville32> Doh!
[11:37] <tsmithe> you fool
[11:37] <tsmithe> !
[11:38] <beuno> jenda, FYI, I got to talk to dan for a while over jabber and we're back on track   ;D
[11:38] <jenda> cool
[11:38] <jenda> tsmithe: :)
[11:38] <tsmithe> :)
[11:39] <jenda> tsmithe: maybe it was a subconscious excuse to write to Mark ;)
[11:39] <tsmithe> :D
[11:43] <somerville32> "Thanks, Corey & co!"
[11:43] <somerville32> Yeah for us!
[11:45] <Burgwork> somerville32: congrats on your hard work
[11:45] <Burgwork> congrats on all our hard work
[11:45] <somerville32> Thanks! :)
[11:59] <jenda> Burgwork, somerville32, the team: congrats ;)
[12:00] <tsmithe> now that's not just a "bit" late
[12:00] <tsmithe> hey wait
[12:00] <tsmithe> ah
[12:00] <tsmithe> it's only ten minutes
[12:00] <tsmithe> carry on
[12:00] <tsmithe> :)
[12:00] <tsmithe> ...
[12:02] <jenda> lol ;)