[00:22] <smspillaz> fta: I'm in Australia, so usually not up at 2AM :)
[00:26] <RAOF> Soft!
[00:27] <smspillaz> I have this thing called university and classes at 8AM
[01:01] <sladen> cyphermox: wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
[01:03] <cyphermox> sladen, indeed!
[01:03] <cyphermox> I'm relieved, although I feel bad it took me so long to figure that one out
[01:03] <sladen> vish: I did a run through Launchpad the other day.  there's a bunch of stuff tagged 'gtk-update-icon-cache' (although against various different things so it's not easy to find that tag as tags are per project).  Which it should be able to consolidate
[01:04] <cyphermox> sladen, can you sponsor the fix?
[01:05] <sladen> cyphermox: yeah.  It'll be dead simple, just removing one (two) symblinks?
[01:05] <cyphermox> sladen, branch ready
[01:06] <cyphermox> sladen, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-mono/icon-cache/+merge/55629
[01:07] <cyphermox> but yeah, it's just removing the four files
[01:10] <sladen> cyphermox: "no common ancestry" ... can you apply it again against  lp:ubuntu-mono
[01:15] <cyphermox> gah, sure
[01:57] <sdimkov> is this unity channel?
[02:16] <Omega> sdimkov: Yes.
[02:17] <sdimkov> I have a funny question :)
[02:17] <sdimkov> is Unity open or closed source
[02:17] <sdimkov> somebody was trying to convince me yesterday that it's closed source
[02:17] <sdimkov> which at least to my point of view isn't true
[02:24] <TheMuso> sdimkov: No its open source.
[02:59] <sdimkov> I see lots of effor in Unity towards being usable with touch interface. Do you see any Unity tablet on the horizon?
[04:35] <Omega> sdimkov: It goes even further than being open source, it's free software.
[08:04] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:05] <MacSlow> hey there everybody
[08:05] <Trron> will there be overlay scrollbars by default in natty?
[11:24] <coz_>  good day all
[11:48] <evfool> does anyone know how can one find whether Unity is running or not?
[13:12] <AndreaAzzarone> hi
[13:12] <AndreaAzzarone> when i try to build unity (rev 1050)
[13:12] <AndreaAzzarone> /home/andrea/Scrivania/unity/src/GeisAdapter.cpp:431:105: error: ‘GEIS_GESTURE_TYPE_TOUCH3’ was not declared in this scope
[13:13] <AndreaAzzarone> i get the above error, why?
[13:14] <didrocks> AndreaAzzarone: need utouch which is in the utouch ppa
[13:15] <AndreaAzzarone> didrocks, i will try... but it is the first time that i have this error!
[13:15] <didrocks> AndreaAzzarone: the merge is from this night
[13:16] <AndreaAzzarone> didrocks, thanks!
[13:16] <didrocks> yw :)
[13:16] <fta> smspillaz, hey. I didn't know you were in australia.
[13:18] <smspillaz> fta: heya
[13:18] <fta> smspillaz, it was about the xterm moving up bug. you said you figured out why it happened. do you have a fix already? I keep losing my windows, they disappear and there's no way to re-expose them once lost
[13:18] <smspillaz> I haven't had time to work on that one sorry
[13:18] <smspillaz> I have a rough idea of why it might happen
[13:18] <smspillaz> but no time to work on it yet
[13:18] <fta> oh
[13:19]  * smspillaz goes to university full time as well :)
[13:19] <fta> i have a full time job too ;)
[13:19] <evfool> does anyone know how can one programatically find whether Unity is running or not?
[13:21] <smspillaz> evfool: what launguage ?
[13:24] <evfool> python
[13:25] <evfool> smspillaz^
[13:25] <smspillaz> evfool: oh, easy
[13:25] <smspillaz> first check if compiz is running (eg pgrep compiz)
[13:25] <smspillaz> then something like
[13:25] <smspillaz> import compizconfig
[13:26] <smspillaz> hang on a second
[13:28] <smspillaz> python -c "import compizconfig; print ','.join(compizconfig.Context().Plugins['core'].Display['active_plugins'].Value)"
[13:28] <smspillaz> and grep that for "unityshell"
[13:28] <smspillaz> mgiht need to s/Display/Screen/
[13:28] <smspillaz> (just stole that from the package)
[13:29] <evfool> thanks smspillaz
[13:30] <didrocks> easier, there is a dbus call :)
[13:31] <didrocks> evfool: check com.canonical.Unity on dbus
[13:32] <evfool> thanks didrocks, that sounds more like an API than a hack :)
[13:32] <evfool> much better
[13:39] <kamstrup> didrocks: https://launchpad.net/libzeitgeist/0.3/0.3.10
[13:40] <didrocks> kamstrup: thanks :)
[13:43] <kamstrup> didrocks: btw, did you look at this https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/wmclass-matching/+merge/54941 ?
[13:47] <didrocks> kamstrup: yeah, I know that Jason had some reserve on matching by wmclass, so I didn't want to override and pinged him
[13:47] <kamstrup> didrocks: ok, just wanted to make sure it didn't slip the radar since it's a significant amount of work in there
[13:48] <didrocks> kamstrup: yeah let's ping DBO when he's back
[13:49] <kamstrup> didrocks: and finally for today https://launchpad.net/unity-place-applications/trunk/0.2.44
[13:50] <didrocks> kamstrup: thanks a lot, packaging those will love an pepperoni :)
[14:00] <kamstrup> didrocks: hot stuff, i like that
[14:01] <kenvandine> njpatel, was your "Do a check before using a pixbuf" fix inspired by using the gwibber lens?
[14:01] <kenvandine> njpatel, i was about to file a bug about that :)
[14:01] <didrocks> kamstrup: exactly :-)
[14:02] <njpatel> kenvandine, oh, no, this is for the panel home button...did you find another bug? :)
[14:02] <kamstrup> kenvandine: btw! can you make the gwibber lens not spew on stderr? It pops up a dialog saying that it crashed everytime I search in the dash :-)
[14:03]  * kamstrup is seeing a stacktrace there for each search
[14:03] <kenvandine> if one of the avatars isn't a valid pixpuf it crashes unity
[14:03] <kenvandine> kamstrup, really?
[14:04] <kenvandine> kamstrup, it has a bunch of print statements for debugging right now, but those should go to stdout
[14:04] <kamstrup> kenvandine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/587803/
[14:05] <didrocks> kamstrup: FYI, adding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-place-applications/+bug/736471 as well the list of fixed (wasn't targeted and the milestone is closed)
[14:05] <kamstrup> didrocks: i'll twiddle the milestone status and add it
[14:07] <kenvandine> kamstrup, oh... that is a bug then :)
[14:07] <didrocks> kamstrup: excellent
[14:07] <kenvandine> weird, you should always have a url...
[14:07] <kamstrup> didrocks: fixed. ordnung muss sein
[14:07] <kamstrup> kenvandine: it's when searching for 'ted' from the dash
[14:07] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i guess i need some error checking, verify it's a valid dict and all
[14:08] <kenvandine> yeah, it means one of the messages it got back either isn't a dict
[14:08] <kenvandine> or doesn't have a url in it
[14:08] <kenvandine> but in theory it should always have a url, the service should never store it if it doesn't
[14:08] <kenvandine> unless there are more bugs :)
[14:10] <didrocks> kenvandine: libzg and u-p-a uploaded. will be available once the freeze is over
[14:10] <kenvandine> njpatel, so would your pixbuf check this morning prevent random a random lens from trying to use a icon that isn't valid from crashing?
[14:12] <njpatel> kenvandine, no, but it shouldn't be crashing anyway, so file a bug if it is :/
[14:12] <kenvandine> kamstrup, can you try something
[14:12] <kenvandine> in add_default_results, right above model.append
[14:12] <kenvandine> add this
[14:13] <kenvandine> if not msg.has_key("url"):print msg
[14:13] <kamstrup> kenvandine: trying
[14:13] <kenvandine> and try that search again
[14:13] <kenvandine> kamstrup, thx
[14:13] <kenvandine> njpatel, will do
[14:14] <kenvandine> some of those avatars get saved as html files, on 404s
[14:14] <kenvandine> we just ignore them in gwibber since next time it tries to load it will fetch it again
[14:14] <kenvandine> but i guess we need to be more careful
[14:15] <kenvandine> don't want to crash unity because of a 404 from twitter... talk about fail whale
[14:15] <kenvandine> :-D
[14:15] <njpatel> It shouldn't be crashing....gio should just be failing
[14:15] <njpatel> but I wonder if we try and make a pixbuf from bad data
[14:15] <njpatel> that would do it
[14:15] <kenvandine> that is what is happening
[14:15] <njpatel> ah
[14:15] <njpatel> great :)
[14:16] <kenvandine> i give it a path to the cached avatar
[14:16] <kenvandine> and if that is html instead of a png
[14:16] <kenvandine> boom
[14:16]  * kenvandine files bug
[14:16] <kamstrup> kenvandine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/587809/
[14:16] <njpatel> nice
[14:19] <kenvandine> kamstrup, thx
[14:19] <kenvandine> very helpful
[14:19]  * kenvandine fixes
[14:19] <kenvandine> now... should i name it unity-lens-gwibber or unity-place-gwibber?
[14:19] <kenvandine> final verdict folks?
[14:19] <kenvandine> njpatel, kamstrup ^^
[14:31] <lamalex> cdbs, om26er_ good morning (for me) guys
[14:31] <cdbs> good morning lamalex
[14:31] <cdbs> lamalex: the compiz new bugs queue is moving towards extinction
[14:33] <om26er_> lamalex, good morning
[14:34] <lamalex> you guys are doing awesome work on the compiz queue!!
[14:39] <jcastro> didrocks: we wanted jason to review this right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/692462
[14:39] <didrocks> jcastro: agreed
[14:44] <cdbs> lamalex, om26er_: Sorry I was considerably slower today, its that its weekend going on here in Saudi Arabia (thursday and friday instead of Sat and Sun) and I am busy on other work.
[14:44] <cdbs> lamalex, om26er_: My day ends now, if you want to contact me anytime, just ping me on IRC and I'll read when I come back
[14:44] <lamalex> ok
[14:44] <lamalex> have a good weekend
[14:44] <lamalex> cdbs,so will you be triaging during my weekend (saturday and sunday)?
[14:45] <cdbs> lamalex: okay I sure can do that
[14:45] <cdbs> lamalex: There's nothing to do on saturdays and sundays for me. I will triage more on that day, no problem
[14:46] <cdbs> bye
[14:46] <kamstrup> kenvandine: sorry, call, if you are serious about continuing it then it should be lens I think, but if this is purely a hack that should live for natty/oneiric only, then place is maybe better
[14:46] <kenvandine> ok
[14:47] <kenvandine> lens it is then
[15:25] <kamstrup> kenvandine: can you call search.finished() once you're done handling it? That way the Dash will stop the spinner when you're done
[15:25] <kenvandine> kamstrup, sure
[15:25] <kenvandine> i was wondering why it kept spinning :)
[15:39] <jcastro> DBO: got time for a review today? Didrocks has given it a once over: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/692462
[15:39] <DBO> yes
[15:42] <jcastro> hi davidcalle
[15:42] <jcastro> how's your lens coming along?
[15:42] <davidcalle> hi jcastro
[15:42] <jcastro> should I try it yet?
[15:43] <davidcalle> It's quite usable, but I will need to make a package of it... Sure you can lp:unity-books-lens
[15:48] <jcastro> davidcalle: works for me!
[15:48] <jcastro> kamstrup: ok, so let's say I have 2 lenses installed
[15:48] <jcastro> every search I do will go to both?
[15:48] <davidcalle> I'm still having two major issues: sometimes Unity does not get http images. And if you change a lot your search it blocks.
[15:48] <jcastro> what if I have like 10 of these?
[15:48] <davidcalle> In the Dash, yes.
[15:49] <jcastro> wow, I didn't know I could just search for "Dune" in the lens, click on it, and then get the actual text in google books.
[15:49] <davidcalle> That's why I'm adding features only in the Lens when activated by its own icon. If you use the Dash, you just have regular boring Google Books search. :)
[15:50] <jcastro> dude this is awesome
[15:50] <davidcalle> I'm glad you like it!
[15:51] <jcastro> the focused author part is clever
[15:51] <jcastro> njpatel: did you land horizontal things?
[15:52] <njpatel> jcastro, today with the release
[15:52] <jcastro> woo
[15:52] <davidcalle> It's not taht great when Google Images load some weird people face instead of the author :)
[15:52] <jcastro> davidcalle: http://people.canonical.com/~njpatel/Selection_004.png
[15:53] <davidcalle> jcastro, yes I'm waiting for that since yesterday!
[15:53] <davidcalle> :)
[15:54] <jcastro> njpatel: kamstrup: ok so theoretically this page should update with the horizontal thing in like 24 hours or whatever the regen time is? http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-11.04/GIR/python/Unity-3.0.html
[15:55] <njpatel> jcastro, it's a string change, you can make it now and it would just fallback on the current unity
[15:55] <njpatel> and when we release this weeks, it would magically work
[15:56] <jcastro> I was more wondering about our amazing self documenting API site
[15:56] <jcastro> DBO: thanks for the review, you've made the web better today
[15:56] <DBO> jcastro, merged
[16:02] <davidcalle> njpatel, static void IconLoader::LoadContentsReady(GObject*, GAsyncResult*, IconLoader::IconLoaderTask*): Unable to load contents of [some url] DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Mountpoint Already registered
[16:03] <njpatel> davidcalle, gdbus error?
[16:03] <davidcalle> njpatel, It won't load some http icons from time to time. I'm working around it by adding a tiny sleep before each http icon request... Any idea of what I'm doing wrong?
[16:03] <kamstrup> jcastro: the available renderer names will not be visible from the autogenerated API docs (unless if we added some constants for them) - they'll be added to the spec in the wiki
[16:04] <njpatel> davidcalle, probably not doing anything wrong, seems like we might be sending too many requests
[16:05] <davidcalle> njpatel, I know, that's what Unity is telling me when I'm asking her to get a lot of images at the same time.
[16:05] <kamstrup> njpatel, davidcalle, jcastro: there may also be a problem with unity send a lot of search changes, and the way gobject notify signals work you'll get each one queued up while doing your search
[16:05] <jcastro> ok
[16:05] <davidcalle> njpatel, I didn't know if it was something to be expected or not =)
[16:05] <kamstrup> so the user slowly types "ted" and you fire searches for "t" "te" and "ted"
[16:05] <davidcalle> ok
[16:06] <davidcalle> kamstrup, yes, that's horrible at times =)
[16:06] <kamstrup> when really you could make do wit "t" and "ted"
[16:06] <jcastro> hmm, ok so right off, I think I'd want to selectively allow lenses in my dash and be able to explicitly turn them off or on
[16:06] <kamstrup> I have a clever trick for this if I may say so myself
[16:06] <kamstrup> in the files and apps places
[16:06] <kamstrup> call placeentry.freeze_notify() when entering you main search method
[16:06] <jcastro> because each lens I add makes my normal dash become a mess.
[16:07] <kamstrup> and then make sure you call placeentry.thaw_notify() *in an idle call* when you leave
[16:07] <kamstrup> jcastro: I also think the general recommendation should be to *not* hook into the dash search, but only a dedicated place
[16:08] <davidcalle> kamstrup, will try that, thanks.
[16:08] <jcastro> oh I see, so it's up to the lens author to decide
[16:08] <kamstrup> yes
[16:08] <jcastro> ok so assuming every lens author doesn't want to spam the dash, they would all turn that off
[16:09] <jcastro> that feels like it should be a user choice
[16:09]  * jcastro will ask at UDS
[16:09] <coz_>  good day all
[16:10] <kamstrup> jcastro: nice idea - although I think this choice might now make sense for all apps
[16:10] <kamstrup> s/apps/lenses
[16:10] <jcastro> right, so if I'm an ubuntu nerd I'll want the AU one all the time, and the books one to be explicit only when I need it
[16:10] <jcastro> a person who reads a ton would want it the other way around
[16:11] <kamstrup> indeed
[16:11] <jcastro> you and I will have many beers at UDS
[16:11] <jcastro> and we'll convince JohnLea of our awesome ideas
[16:48] <davidcalle> Haha, we need a "Creepy Lens" http://bit.ly/dT1HQY and merge it with kenvandine's Gwibber Lens.
[16:49] <kenvandine> davidcalle, creepy.. very creepy
[17:52] <DBO> DAMN YOU kenvandine
[17:52] <DBO> erm
[17:53] <DBO> DAMN YOU jcastro
[17:53] <DBO> stop editing the same wiki page as me
[17:53] <kenvandine> DBO, ha... i know it isn't me :)
[17:53] <jcastro> snooze or lose
[19:28] <coz_>  hey all
[20:06] <chrisccoulson_> m_conley, have you used mochitest before?
[20:06] <m_conley> chrisccoulson_: hey, yeah, a tiny bit
[20:06] <m_conley> chrisccoulson_: why, what's up?
[20:06] <chrisccoulson_> heh :) i'm trying to write a test atm
[20:06] <chrisccoulson_> my test relies on synthesizing mouse activity, but it's not behaving as i expect
[20:06] <chrisccoulson_> (which i guess is because i'm running it on a real screen)
[20:07] <chrisccoulson_> so, i'm trying to also run the single test in xvfb, but i can't figure out how to make it run the test, log the results and exit
[20:07] <chrisccoulson_> (it runs the test, displaying the result in the browser window, which i can't see)
[20:07] <chrisccoulson_> and then waits for me to kill it ;)
[20:08] <m_conley> chrisccoulson_: hm.
[20:08] <chrisccoulson_> i'm trying to write a test for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=644621
[20:08] <chrisccoulson_> it's been an interesting experience so far ;)
[20:08] <m_conley> chrisccoulson_: have you considered a Mozmill test instead?
[20:08] <chrisccoulson_> i hadn't. do you think that's more appropriate?
[20:09] <m_conley> chrisccoulson_: it might - I think of Mozmill as extremely similar to Selenium.  It's nice for driving browser interaction.
[20:09] <m_conley> chrisccoulson_: has a nice recorder add-on for Firefox
[20:09] <chrisccoulson_> ah, i'll take a look at that. thanks!
[20:09] <m_conley> chrisccoulson_: np
[20:36] <kenvandine> tedg, the libindicate merge proposal says there is nothing to merge
[20:36] <kenvandine> ?
[20:36] <tedg> kenvandine, Forgot to push, sorry.
[20:59] <lamalex> DBO, three finger window drag doesn't work for maximize anymore


[00:03] <maco> do belgian beers have strawberries and whipped cream, like belgian waffles?
[00:08] <doctormo> maco: I don't think belgian waffles even have strawberries and whipped cream from a can.
[00:21] <mhall119> I'm not entirely sure belgian waffles are actually belgian
[00:21] <sense> Partially, probably, like everything originates from different places.
[00:24] <JanC> maco: Oudbeitje is brwed with strawberries
[00:25] <JanC> and waffles from Brussels or Liège don't have strawberries"
[00:26] <JanC> in Brussels they often have whipped cream, in Liège they have apple syrup (or maybe other syrup)
[00:29] <JanC> in West Flanders we have "lukken" which are somewhat like thin, hard waffles: http://belgiancookieiron.com/cookie.htm  ;)
[00:40] <mhall119> mmmm, apple syrup
[00:51] <doctormo> JanC: In England they have baked beans.
[00:51] <JanC> doctormo: lol
[00:51] <JanC> doctormo: unless you bake those too hard they don't look like cookies I presume  :P
[00:59] <doctormo> JanC: Didn't I give you a cookie before?
[01:00] <JanC> doctormo: does that mean I need to give you a cookie beer?  :P
[01:00] <doctormo> No thanks
[01:00] <JanC> you don't like cookie beer?
[01:01] <JanC> https://belgianbeershrimper.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/23-cookie-beer/  ;-)
[01:03] <JanC> maco: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/636/5586 for the strawberry beer BTW
[01:03] <JanC> maco: if you don't like sour beers, add some honey (or sugar) to it  ;)
[01:23] <doctormo> JanC: I don't like beer
[01:23] <JanC> hehe
[01:23] <maco> JanC: i dont drink
[01:23] <JanC> dammit
[01:26] <JanC> maco: we also have chocolate with strawberries?  :P
[01:27] <JanC> and chocloate with "speculaas" cookies
[01:27] <JanC> (like the cookie beer)
[01:27] <JanC> problem solved?  :P
[01:33] <paultag> JanC: thanks, man
[01:33] <paultag> JanC: I need it, dude :)
[01:34] <paultag> JanC: I've got a belgian style IPA right now, it's quite nice
[01:34]  * JanC wonders what a Belgian Style Indian Pale Ale tastes like  :P
[01:35] <paultag> JanC: it's nice. It's mostly like any other IPA, but with a bit of spice that's quite nice after the bitterness cuts down. It's also got a nice hint of fruit, I think aprocot
[01:35] <paultag> JanC: the beer's called "Raging Bitch", I recomend it totally
[01:35] <paultag> I'll BRB, need to make another beer run :)
[01:36] <JanC> paultag: do you mean "Dulle Teve" ?
[01:37] <JanC> from the "Dolel Brouwers" in Esen?
[01:37] <JanC> "Dolle Brouwers"
[01:38] <JanC> that's a brewery close to where I grew up and where my parents live (and I visited that brewery once)
[01:38] <JanC> their beers are generally well-hopped and rather strong  ;)
[01:42] <JanC> http://www.dedollebrouwers.be/en/dulleteve.htm
[01:51] <JanC> searching around shows up a US beer "raging bitch"  ;)
[02:04] <paultag> JanC: that beer is from a brewery called Flying Dog
[02:05] <paultag> it's very nice :)
[02:05] <JanC> stealing names so close to belgian beer names isn't so nice though  ;)
[02:05] <paultag> JanC: ja :)
[02:06] <JanC> but AFAIk that US brewery is pretty good
[02:06] <paultag> JanC: yes, it's one of the better ones. If you're interested, I'd send you some beer, if you send me some
[02:07] <paultag> JanC: I swear it won't be bad :)
[02:09] <paultag> JanC: I'm going to head back with my friends, but let me know if you want to swap beer :)
[02:09] <paultag> /away!
[02:09] <JanC> you bring some to Belgium next time you come to an open source event here   ;)
[02:29] <doctormo> JanC: When is there ever likely to be an other event in Belgium that I can afford to come to :-(
[02:29] <doctormo> Hey paultag, having a good night I see
[02:34] <JanC> doctormo: maybe one they UDS will be here again?  ;)
[02:34] <JanC> one day
[02:36] <JanC> doctormo: are you going to LGM 2011 ?
[02:36] <JanC> in Montreal
[02:39] <JanC> http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/
[02:40] <JanC> doctormo: I think you would love LGM  ☺
[02:40] <doctormo> I think it would be easier to get to than most things
[02:40] <doctormo> Thanks for reminding me about it
[02:40] <JanC> they really love artists/users to be around
[02:41] <JanC> or even to give a talk
[02:41] <doctormo> JanC: I don't think UDS will ever be in either Boston or Belgium again. It's likey to be Florida forever.
[02:42] <JanC> forever is a long time  :P
[02:43] <pleia2> boston is cooold in november :)
[02:43] <JanC> anyway, maybe you could even make a proposal for a talk at LGM
[02:43] <maco> pleia2: maybe if it was at mit so we could use the steam tunnels...
[02:45] <pleia2> hehe
[02:49] <doctormo> JanC: It's at exactly the same time as UDS in Budapest
[02:49] <JanC> doctormo: ugh, didn't think about that
[02:50] <doctormo> I guess it might work as a consolation prize if I don't get to go to Hungry :-()
[02:50]  * maco gives doctormo an 'a'
[02:50] <maco> though they are the same in ASL
[02:50] <JanC> doctormo: lots of good people at LGM too though!
[02:52] <doctormo> true
[02:52] <JanC> http://gallery.constantvzw.org/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=32545&g2_serialNumber=1  --> has lots of Ubuntu users, even if most are not really actively participating
[02:52] <doctormo> I guess I really have no need to go to UDS, I didn't feel very useful at the last UDS.
[02:57] <JanC> even if you are only useful for some discussions, that's at least something
[02:58] <JanC> OTOH, if you get no funding, I'm sure the LGM people would be happy to get your input too  ☺
[03:04] <pleia2> doctormo: sent an email to hajni in hungary, if she can't help uds.ubuntu.com/travel/ does give a link to making reservations at the same hotel so if all else fails we could see about just going with the same hotel and tring to get $$$ for that
[03:05] <doctormo> pleia2: We should certainly have a price for the hotel too, try and get a price for with and without association.
[03:05] <pleia2> doctormo: ok, will do
[03:05] <doctormo> JanC: I don't understand what you mean bu funding.
[03:06] <JanC> doctormo: if you don't get sponsorship or whatever to come to Europe
[03:07] <doctormo> JanC: I understand now.
[03:07] <maco> pleia2: the official uds hotel is going to ridiculously expensive
[03:07] <doctormo> UDS is fun for me though, I'm an ideas person, if not the greatest person for finishing anything.
[03:08] <maco> pleia2: the barcelona one was 250€/night
[03:08] <pleia2> maco: yeah, that's why we're asking some ubuntu-hu folks for alternate suggestions
[03:08] <doctormo> pleia2: I normally also use a google map search of the area with hotel as the keyword
[03:08] <pleia2> but it may not be cheaper elsewhere, or difficult to arrange logistically (I imagine Orlando was much easier!)
[03:08] <pleia2> doctormo: *nod* I'd hate to put people up in like, the red light district of budapest, and not realize it ;)
[03:08] <doctormo> Orlando was hard, there's no public transport, no walkways.
[03:09] <doctormo> So while my Barcelona hotel was further away, it was easier to walk to UDS than in Orlando.
[03:09] <pleia2> sucky
[03:09] <doctormo> I did walk in Dallas though... well for as long as I wasn't hoping around.
[03:10] <doctormo> And that was much further, 3 miles.
[03:10]  * maco still thinks dc would be a great uds spot and would be surprised if any uds attendee could not find food from their native country
[03:10] <doctormo> But UDS was running a bus back, so getting back into town was easy.
[03:11] <doctormo> pleia2: So transport is certainly important.
[03:11]  * pleia2 nods
[03:11] <JanC> maco: somehow I suspect DC is quite expensive  ;)
[03:12] <doctormo> But I think Europe will be easier there, except if UDS in in the middle of a Belgian forrest.
[03:12] <JanC> there is e reason UDS in Belgium was outside of Brussels  ;)
[03:12] <maco> JanC: thre are certainly hotels here cheaper than the ones uds normally happens at...
[03:12] <doctormo> JanC: All I know is, it's a good job that was my one and only sponsored UDS, there was no hotels in the area.
[03:12] <pleia2> UDS should come back to the bay area \o/
[03:13] <pleia2> then they don't need to go to the trouble of shipping jono out
[03:13] <pleia2> (or me)
[03:13]  * doctormo is lucky
[03:13] <doctormo> pleia2: They should bring it back to Boston, then they don't have to ship out 12 people from Lexington.
[03:13] <maco> JanC: letting a flat is expensive here. and starbucks costs like 25¢ more than elsewhere in the US.  thats all i got
[03:14] <JanC> doctormo: there were 1 or 2 other hotels, but nothing cheap I think  :-(
[03:14] <doctormo> maco: But the politics is cheap, right?
[03:14] <maco> doctormo: heh yeah...
[03:14] <maco> oh the entertainment is cheap...all the museums are free!
[03:14] <JanC> maco: I mean for the conference venue
[03:14] <doctormo> maco: So, just like England then?
[03:14] <JanC> actually, if UDS is in Ter Hulpen, Belgium again, I can offer some people a free place to sleep  ;)
[03:15] <maco> doctormo: i havent looked at flat prices in england, but edinburgh? a 2-bedroom flat there costs HALF what my one-bedroom does here!
[03:15] <JanC> (a limited number though)
[03:17] <doctormo> maco: Edinburgh is Scotland and it's population is small. Consider London, and prepare hair dye, because your hair will surely go white.
[03:29] <maco> hahaha
[03:29] <maco> doctormo: over £1000/mo?
[03:30] <doctormo> maco: absolutely, £1k might get you a shoddy room in a share somewhere in Fulham, nothing in London propper.
[03:31] <maco> (i said 1000, because thats how much, in pounds, i pay for my place)
[03:31] <JanC> ugh
[03:32] <JanC> that's insane...   :-/
[03:36] <maco> im used to it
[03:37] <maco> for about.... $1200/£800/1000€ could get a studio (no bedroom, just a big room with a stove and a wc and a closet if you're lucky) with cockroaches
[03:37] <maco> (voice of experience...)
[03:38] <maco> doctormo: do people in london earn better than the rest of the uk? because if you're paying well over 1000 quid, youd need to earn 40K or so to live comfortably (partly because you lose 20% on taxes...)
[03:39] <maco> (or does the "your rent/mortgage should not be more than 1/3 your income" rule not exist over there?)
[03:39] <pleia2> some people are content to be house poor :)
[03:39] <pleia2> especially to live in a city
[03:40] <pleia2> 1/3 is pretty conservative
[03:40] <maco> O_o
[03:40] <maco> my dad is shocked that *an entire third omg* is going to my rent
[03:40] <pleia2> I pay 100% to live here, it's a good thing I live with my boyfriend ;)
[03:41] <maco> meanwhile i usually hear financial planning people say "try to get your mortgage payments down to under 1/3...."
[03:41] <maco> wow
[03:41] <pleia2> I couldn't afford to live in SF alone
[03:41] <maco> how much is rent there?
[03:41] <maco> ive heard its horribly expensive, but then my parents say the same about dc and im used to it, so...
[03:42] <pleia2> my boyfriend paid $2400 for his 2 bedroom place
[03:42] <maco> a month?
[03:42] <pleia2> owning is more, and we own now
[03:42] <pleia2> yeah
[03:42] <maco> O_O
[03:42] <maco> hm wait well i gues thats not actually a whole lot more than here
[03:42] <maco> about $300 difference probably
[03:44]  * JanC pays around 420 EUR / month on his mortgage for a small house (and it's really small, but still...)
[03:44] <maco> yeah, my mom says $600 (which is about that) would get a 2 bedroom flat in her area
[03:46] <JanC> I'm pretty sure i can pay half of that when I move to the south of the province...
[03:48] <JanC> of course there is totally no jobs over there eitehr  ;)
[03:53] <nigelb> morning
[03:54] <doctormo> maco: It's normally a 50% rule, 50% tax, 50% rent
[03:55] <doctormo> maco: Although my personal inner financial adviser is recommending as close to 100% as possible on mortgages.
[04:12] <doctormo> pleia2: I plan on contacting various Ubuntu news outfits asking for support with the idea of community sponsorship.
[05:29] <jono> can someone message me - testing the xchat indicator
[10:49] <duanedesign> morning all
[13:54] <mhall119> morning
[13:54] <Pendulum> hiya mhall119
[13:54] <mhall119> hi Pendulum, how goes it?
[13:55] <Pendulum> not bad, how're you?
[13:55] <mhall119> alright
[13:55] <mhall119> firing up the BBQ this morning
[13:55] <Pendulum> :D
[13:56] <duanedesign> hello mhall119  Pendulum
[13:57] <Pendulum> hiya duanedesign
[13:57] <duanedesign> Pendulum: i missed you the other day. Did you still need to talk to me about something?
[13:57] <Pendulum> duanedesign: I'm trying to figure out the right words, but I will poke you :)
[13:58] <duanedesign> okies
[14:15] <mhall119> hi duanedesign
[14:15] <duanedesign> hey there mhall119
[14:16] <duanedesign> mhall119: doing well today? Up too anything exciting?
[14:17] <mhall119> smoking meat
[14:17] <mhall119> doing naughty things with Django
[14:17] <mhall119> drinking probably unhealthy amounts of coffee
[14:17] <mhall119> you?
[14:24] <duanedesign> drinking unhealthy amounts of coffee
[14:24] <duanedesign> triaging some bugs
[14:25] <duanedesign> mhall119: I started trying to learn Django last week
[14:27] <duanedesign> it is on my VPS and I had trouble being able to access the site
[14:29] <duanedesign> i tried 'python manage.py runserver <IP_ADDRESS>:8000' instead of localhost but still no luck.
[14:29] <duanedesign> i assume its something in my apache2.conf...
[14:30] <mhall119> if you're using manage.py runserver, you're not even using apache
[14:32] <mhall119> have you tried using the public IP?
[14:33] <duanedesign> ohhh, that is right
[14:33]  * duanedesign facepalms
[14:33] <duanedesign> mhall119: yeah i tried the public ip.
[14:35] <mhall119> no errors from runserver?
[14:36] <mhall119> who's your vps?
[14:39] <duanedesign> a friend of mine
[14:40] <mhall119> ah
[14:40] <mhall119> maybe it's not allowing incoming on port 8000?
[14:42] <duanedesign> mhall119: that is a good one to check. I thought I changed the iptable....but maybe not :)
[14:57] <nigelb> morning
[14:59] <mhall119> morning nigelb
[14:59] <nigelb> hola mhall119
[15:00] <nigelb> mhall119: I fixed that summit branch,if you've got time...
[15:00] <mhall119> not right now, but probably later today
[15:00] <nigelb> :D
[15:00] <mhall119> I've got to re-review cjohnston's too
[15:00] <nigelb> I did something neat with python-gdata today
[15:01] <mhall119> what?
[15:01] <nigelb> how'd you like to keep clicking to add things to calender? So I made a script that would process a python config file and add to google calender
[15:02] <nigelb> so events like UDW or things like patch pilot is going to be much easier :)
[15:04]  * mhall119 still thinks a classroom webapps would be better
[15:05] <duanedesign> hello nigelb
[15:05] <nigelb> hey duanedesign
[15:06] <duanedesign> mhall119: boy i am stumped. Thanks though for your help