[12:43] <jeroenvrp> great
[12:43] <jeroenvrp> and now I am going to test my own killer bugs
[12:47] <davmor2> Riddell: i386 alt is okay/ 64bit desktop is okay testing the rest tomorrow night
[12:59] <Goliath23> Riddell: still there? got the patch ready. (had to catch my brother from the airport so it took a while :)
[01:00] <Riddell> Goliath23: I am indeed
[01:00] <Riddell> put it on a webserver
[01:01] <Riddell> or e-mail jriddell@ ubuntu.com
[01:01] <Goliath23> sure
[01:02] <Goliath23> Riddell: http://www.vidsolbach.de/tmp/
[01:03] <Goliath23> the Theme.rc is from kubuntu-default-settings and just adds a correct? value for the ImageSpacing
[01:04] <Goliath23> the patch is slightly modified to calculate correct positions for the icons depending on their size and the spacing value ... should work for other themes, too
[01:04] <Goliath23> and it works fine on dual screen setups-
[01:05] <Riddell> Goliath23: why did it not work on dual screen before?
[01:05] <Goliath23> ImageSpacing in the theme was -1
[01:06] <Goliath23> and there was an error in the calculation of the next icon position in the for-loop which added the spacing (-1) and then multiplied the value with the calculated ratio between basewidth and desktop width. thus making it too small
[01:06] <Goliath23> can you test if the patch works for your single monitor setup?
[01:07] <jeroenvrp2> Riddell: first kde-related bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/132000
[01:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132000 in kdebase "Clicking on OpenGL in KInfoCenter freezes up the system in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]
[01:07] <Goliath23> should though...
[01:07] <Goliath23> Riddell: shall I add the patches to bug 41407 and ask ppl to test?
[01:07] <Riddell> Goliath23: compiling now
[01:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41407 in ksplash-engine-moodin "Kubuntu's Ksplash icons are too close to each other" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41407
[01:07] <Goliath23> Riddell: kk
[01:09] <Goliath23> Riddell: there's still a nasty hardcoded "-8" in the code because a certain Dialog.png seems to be a bit off-screen. I don't know if that'll work for other themes too. probably not if they use a different Dialog.png. but at least the icons are centered now... or should be
[01:09] <Riddell> Goliath23: horribly broken I'm afraid http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ksplash.png
[01:09] <Goliath23> damn :)
[01:09] <Goliath23> did you replace the Theme.rc?
[01:09] <Riddell> no
[01:09] <Riddell> what with?
[01:10] <Goliath23> with the one on the webserver
[01:11] <Riddell> Goliath23: better, but still not great http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ksplash1.png
[01:12] <Goliath23> Just testet it. I forgot, that I changed the base resolution in the theme while testing.
[01:13] <Goliath23> Riddell: okay, sorry about that. will fix it :)
[01:14] <Riddell> I need to sleep now
[01:14] <Goliath23> uhm, think i know...
[01:14] <Goliath23> okay.
[01:14] <Riddell> unless you have a quick fix
[01:14] <Goliath23> hold on
[01:15] <Goliath23> gimmie 4 min :)
[01:16] <Goliath23> is the number of icons 8 for every theme?
[01:17] <Riddell> yes
[01:17] <Goliath23> ok
[01:18] <Goliath23> hm, nah. still missong something :/
[01:18] <Goliath23> missing..
[01:19] <Goliath23> I'll add the solution to the bug and drop you a note, already taken enough of your time :)
[01:21] <Riddell> good luck
[01:21] <Goliath23> thanks
[02:09] <jeroenvrp2> so whats the secret with kdesudo?
[02:10] <jeroenvrp> if I do e.g. kdesudo kedit, it starts kedit, but as myself, not as root
[02:11] <jeroenvrp> when I do a kdesudo -u testuser kedit, it gives a: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[02:13] <jeroenvrp> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-jeroen" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0
[02:13] <jeroenvrp> Error: "/tmp/ksocket-jeroenzvlc9S" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:13] <jeroenvrp> ??!
[02:13] <jeroenvrp> I am 1000
[02:14] <jeroenvrp> but it needs to be root somehow
[02:14] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: still awake?
[02:17] <jeroenvrp> I don't think those directories should be owned by root, so why wants it that
[02:51] <bddebian> Heya
[04:12] <jjesse> evening Jucato
[04:13] <Jucato> goo morning jjesse
[04:13] <Jucato> er.. good
[04:13] <Jucato> :)
[04:13] <jjesse> i forgot what time zone ar eyou in?
[04:13] <Jucato> +8 UTC/GMT
[04:13] <jjesse> oh so it is morning for you then :)
[04:13] <Jucato> yep
[04:13] <Jucato> and it's noon for poor Hobbsee :)
[04:14] <Jucato> past noon actually
[04:14] <jjesse> poor hobbsee
[04:14] <jjesse> are you in austrialia ?
[04:14] <Jucato> nope. Philippines
[04:14] <Jucato> close though hehe
[04:14] <jjesse> oh that's right i think i've asked you before
[04:15] <jjesse> i'm in michigan US
[04:15] <Jucato> :)
[04:15] <Jucato> or google earth haha
[04:16] <jjesse> my wife and i have a map world map w/ pins colored differently based on palces we've been together, places we want to go and also places we've been seperatly
[04:16] <jjesse> and we try to update as we travel
[04:16] <Jucato> wow nice
[04:16] <Jucato> I'd probably have one and put pins for every developer I know hahah
[04:16] <jjesse> our "world" is prettty full., well mostly the US of places we've been
[04:17] <jjesse> only been to italy out of the states together, but want to travel more
[04:18] <Jucato> I must (embarrassingly) admit I haven't travelled much of our country :(
[04:33] <jjesse> sorry went afk was putting wife to bed
[04:34] <jjesse> well i haven't been out of the country much myself
[04:34] <Jucato> lullaby and good night, go to bed now and sleep tight... lalalalal
[04:34] <jjesse> lol
[04:34] <jjesse> we went to italy
[04:34] <jjesse> kinda one of those dream vacations
[04:34] <Tm_T> I so would like to travel around Finland
[04:34] <Jucato> hehe
[04:34] <nixternal> good mornin'!
[04:35] <Tm_T> Jucato: I havent seen much more than three cities around here
[04:35] <Jucato> mornin nixternal!!! :)
[04:35] <nixternal> heh
[04:35] <Jucato> Tm_T: oh you are worse then :)
[04:35] <Tm_T> and even those mostly just what I have must seen
[04:36] <Tm_T> and I'm old!
[04:36] <Jucato> yeah.. right... :)
[04:36] <Tm_T> I am
[04:36] <Jucato> ooh finland has a new UMPC... looks like a Sony VAIO UX :)
[04:36] <Jucato> Its hard for Microsoft to commit to what comes out of Ecma [the European standards group that has already OKd OOXML]  in the coming years, because we dont know what direction they will take the formats. Well of course stay active and propose changes based on where we want to go with Office 14. At the end of the day, though, the other Ecma members could decide to take the spec in a completely different direction. ... Since its
[04:36] <Jucato> not guaranteed, it would be hard for us to make any sort of official statement.
[04:36] <Tm_T> ?
[04:37] <Jucato> oops sorry
[04:37] <Jucato> long quote, but funny :)
[04:37] <Tm_T> Jucato: sounds like even Microsoft doesnt care to follow their own standard
[04:37] <Jucato> yeah
[04:38] <Jucato> http://www.techworld.com/storage/features/index.cfm?featureid=3685&pagtype=all
[04:38] <Tm_T> so, whats the point then, really? just to overpower competition
[04:38] <Tm_T> and THAT is illegal in many countries
[04:38] <Tm_T> called "monopoly"
[04:38] <Tm_T> you know that board game?
[04:39] <Jucato> yeah
[04:39] <Jucato> and *old* board game :)
[04:39] <Tm_T> its so illegal
[04:39] <Tm_T> no, wait ;-P
[04:40] <jjesse> you know there is a new version of monoploy where the players get a credit card instead of cash?
[04:40] <Jucato> is it called "Real Life" by any chance? :)
[04:40] <jjesse> so you don't even have to think or learn on how to count change back, you type in the amount of money and it subtracts yfor you
[04:40] <Jucato> or perhaps they should rename the monopoly game to "Microsoft"? :)
[04:40] <jjesse> i think everyone should know how to make change
[04:41] <Tm_T> jjesse: tjats tje american version right?
[04:41] <Jucato> 5-2 =... where's the calculator?
[04:41] <Tm_T> ... I blame new keyboard
[04:41] <Jucato> hahah
[04:41] <jjesse> yeah theres a "new" version being advertised on tv
[04:41] <Tm_T> hhh
[04:41] <Tm_T> I've been heavily mistyping all day
[04:42] <nixternal> and I have been heavily sedated all day
[04:42] <nixternal> on the couch :)
[04:42] <Jucato> ooh drugs :)
[04:42] <Jucato> hahaha
[04:42] <jjesse> ooh drugs
[04:42] <jjesse> fun
[04:42] <jjesse> wait that doesn't work as well
[04:42] <Jucato> haha
[04:43] <jjesse> so nixternal what's wrong w/ you that u got drugs?
[04:43] <nixternal> I don't have drugs
[04:43] <nixternal> I just ate to much
[04:43] <Jucato> haha
[04:43] <jjesse> thought you were heavily sedated all day
[04:44] <Jucato> whenever I hear "sedated" I always associate it with animals being tranquilized :)
[04:45] <Tm_T> Jucato: you mean me?
[04:45] <Jucato> well... in this instance it's nixternal :)
[04:45] <Tm_T> hmh
[04:46] <Jucato> hm.. evince has fillable forms now... :(
[04:46] <Tm_T> evince is...
[04:47] <Jucato> is GNOME...
[04:47] <Tm_T> that makes no sense at all
[04:47] <Tm_T> hmmm
[04:47] <Tm_T> you mean Evince is GNOME pdf reader?
[04:48] <jjesse> nixternal: ping
[04:48] <Jucato> Tm_T: yes
[04:48] <Tm_T> Jucato: roger and thanks
[04:48] <Jucato> sorry didn't think you were asking :)
[04:48] <Jucato> the lack of the ? didn't register to me as a question
[04:48] <Tm_T> heh
[04:48] <Tm_T> well it wasnt actually a question though it should have been
[04:49] <Jucato> well it practically was
[04:49] <Tm_T> sort of
[04:50] <Tm_T> "is... (fill the rest)"
[04:59] <n8k99> thanks
[04:59] <n8k99> Jucato you coming to UDS Cambridge?
[04:59] <Jucato> nope
[05:00] <jjesse> insstead of UDS Boston?
[05:00] <jjesse> :)
[05:00] <Jucato> wait, that's the one in Nov?
[05:00] <n8k99> yes its end of oct beginning of nov
[05:00] <n8k99> ok its called UDS Boston- but its actually being hosted in Cambridge
[05:00] <jjesse> n8k99: i'll be there
[05:00] <n8k99> on MIT campus
[05:01] <n8k99> kool
[05:01] <Jucato> dang.. MIT...
[05:01] <nixternal> ya, why didn't they call it UDS Cambridge I wonder?
[05:01] <Jucato> gonna miss my chance :(
[05:01] <n8k99> maybe cause Boston i? dunno
[05:02] <jjesse> more people know boston and don't want to confuse people on cambridge england?
[05:02] <n8k99> oops add string "better known"
[05:02] <Jucato> UDS MIT, USA ?
[05:03] <n8k99> oh that's so ancronymy
[05:03] <Jucato> yeah, like KDE HCI WG :)
[05:03] <n8k99> zactly
[05:04] <Jucato> KDE is a FOSS DE using Tt's Qt which also runs on BSD, licensed under licenses such as LGPL and GPL
[05:06] <n8k99> yeah, spell gonna need to spell some of those words out
[05:06] <n8k99> for the little people, ya know
[05:08] <jjesse> man i love this excel bug 850*77.1 = 10,000
[05:08] <ubotu> Bug 850 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/850 is private
[05:08] <jjesse> :)
[05:09] <Jucato> O.o
[05:11] <nixternal> jjesse: that bug is still around?
[05:11] <nixternal> you realize you can still get DoS to say that 2+2 = 5 to this day
[05:11] <Tm_T> private?
[05:11] <jjesse> the excel bug?
[05:11] <nixternal> over 20 years, a simple overflow bug is still there
[05:11] <nixternal> jjesse: ya
[05:11] <jjesse> its on a lot of blogs/mailing lists i've seen today
[05:11] <jjesse> maybe its an old bug that is "new" again
[05:11] <nixternal> 850*77.1 is the 65535 one right?
[05:11] <jjesse> excel 2007 does it
[05:11] <jjesse> yeah
[05:12] <nixternal> interesting, so they fixed it, broke it, fixed it, broke it, and it goes on
[05:12] <Jucato> of course :)
[05:12] <jjesse> wow jsut checking my email and for my class in australia they want me to extend it for another week to cover a class in new zeeland as well
[05:12] <Jucato> oooh
[05:12] <nixternal> sweet
[05:12] <Jucato> do we have kiwis here?
[05:13] <jjesse> don't know if my wife is going to enjoy the 24hours of travel back by herself cause she doesn't have extra time off work
[05:13] <Jucato> aw.. :(
[05:13] <n8k99> i usually get my kiwis from the green grocer
[05:13] <Jucato> lol
[05:13] <jjesse> for some silly reason, somoen told me kiwis were a cross between a banana and a strawberry and i believed them
[05:14] <n8k99> lawl
[05:14] <Jucato> hehe
[05:18] <Jucato> lol
[05:25] <Tm_T> wow, that was hard
[05:25] <Tm_T> simple svn commit and still I was quite lost
[05:25] <jjesse> shaking n9k99's wife or ?
[05:26] <Jucato> lol
[05:27] <Jucato> hm... #kubuntu is neither +r no topic locked. how nicer can  we be? :)
[05:27] <Tm_T> very nice
[05:28] <nixternal> Jucato: because we don't have the idiots the other channel has
[05:28] <Tm_T> yes
[05:28] <Jucato> we're lucky :)
[05:29] <nixternal> ya, 48s lag and rising
[05:29] <nixternal> 52.34
[05:29] <jjesse> so does that mean kubuntu users are more sophisticated?
[05:29] <Jucato> but one time the topic was changed w/o being noticed by the correct people
[05:29] <nixternal> and we have normalized
[05:29] <Tm_T> that topic dont get any abuse, weird
[05:29] <Jucato> more civilized
[05:29] <nixternal> I see those red numbers in irssi, first thing I do is ping google to see if my internet dumped
[05:30] <nixternal> HOBBSEE!!! \o/
[05:30] <jjesse> evening Hobbsee
[05:30] <nixternal> afternoon actually :p
[05:31] <jjesse> i was just telling the guys that my trip to australia might be extended by a week for a class in new zeeland
[05:31] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!!
[05:31] <Jucato> jjesse: told ya it was afternoon for poor Hobbsee :)
[05:31] <nixternal> I was just wondering, how come sispoty doesn't do Kubuntu stuff?
[05:31] <n8k99> jjesse probably just means that there are less of them
[05:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal!!!
[05:32] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse
[05:32] <n8k99> Hi Hobbsee
[05:32] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[05:32] <Jucato> (she has got to be the most greeted person in here)
[05:33] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/main.cpp  <-- if you feel like cheating your way through some project euler problems :)
[05:33] <jjesse> hopefully no one takes offense but she's probablly the best looking here as well
[05:33] <Jucato> nixternal takes offense
[05:33] <jjesse> you mean !nixternal
[05:33] <Jucato> yes, !nixternal
[05:33] <nixternal> damn you, I am farkin' secksy
[05:33] <jjesse> !nixternal
[05:33] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[05:33] <Jucato> ironically, !nixternal in C would be "not nixternal"...
[05:33] <jjesse> finally
[05:34] <nixternal> yay
[05:34] <Jucato> but that description is definitely !(!nixternal)
[05:34] <nixternal> ~nixternal
[05:34] <Jucato> isn't that in logic?
[05:34] <nixternal> ya
[05:34] <nixternal> ! is a horrible negater if you ask me
[05:34] <Jucato> hehe.. what choice do we have? :)
[05:35] <nixternal> seeing as ~ is a destructor though
[05:35] <Hobbsee> jjesse: sounds like fun :)
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :D
[05:35] <nixternal> isn't ! used in math for factorial?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> jjesse: *grin*
[05:35] <Jucato> nixternal:  yep
[05:35] <n8k99> factorial is that the 20*19*18* all the way down to 1 thingie
[05:35] <nixternal> see, and seeing as mathematics is the root of all evil, I mean philosophy, it only makes sense :)
[05:36] <Jucato> [11:35]  [CTCP]  Received CTCP-PING reply from Hobbsee: 1 second.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> jjesse: being pinged in multiple windows, and dealt with a bit of email :)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> it's all good
[05:36] <Tm_T> Jucato: you tried to drop Hobbsee ?
[05:36] <Jucato> she's probably still busy saying hi :)
[05:36] <jjesse> grin :)
[05:36] <nixternal> hehe
[05:36] <Jucato> oh no, she's too um... btw she ate nixternal yestreday right? :)
[05:36] <nixternal> you know it
[05:36] <jjesse> i heard if you ping Hobbsee she beats you with a big pointy stick
[05:36] <nixternal> wth
[05:36] <nixternal> who ate me?
[05:36] <nixternal> that would be a lot to eat in 1 day
[05:36] <Jucato> "hmm.. bugs... Hobbsee chomps"
[05:37] <nixternal> hey now, watch that stick!
[05:37] <Jucato> that's what she said. so I presumed it was !nixternal
[05:37] <Jucato> :)
[05:37] <nixternal> I am changing my nick...I am no longer nixternal
[05:37] <nixternal> I am going to be....
[05:38] <vista4life> 22:37:57 >>> nixternal #ubuntu Cannot send to channel so cannot change nicks                     marcel
[05:38] <vista4life> heh
[05:38] <Jucato> !nickspam | vista4life
[05:38] <ubotu> vista4life: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[05:38] <vista4life> shush
[05:38] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[05:38] <Jucato> lol
[05:38] <Tm_T> Jucato: haha
[05:38] <manchicken> Hiya
[05:38] <Jucato> roflmao
[05:38] <nixternal> I am taking flack
[05:38] <jjesse> !nickspam
[05:38] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[05:38] <jjesse> :)
[05:38] <jjesse> hello manchicken_
[05:38] <Jucato> I'm laughing like a lunatic here
[05:39] <jjesse> so who wnats to hear a funny story
[05:39] <Jucato> hahahhaha!
[05:39] <Jucato> oh wait, what is it/
[05:40] <jjesse> so last night during dinner, which my wife made, i told her my throat felt tight and my eyes started watering, 10 minutes later my eyes were swollen shut along w/ my ears swelling
[05:40] <jjesse> apparently i was having an allergic reaction to dinner
[05:40] <jjesse> and if you have seen the movie "hitch" with will smith in it, that is excalty how i looked
[05:40] <Jucato> aw... :(
[05:40] <Jucato> what were you allergic to?
[05:41] <jjesse> no clue as it is all stuff i've eaten before
[05:41] <n8k99> peanuts?
[05:41] <Jucato> I mean what stuff in the dinner
[05:41] <nixternal> jjesse: hahahahghahah)#*@)*#@)*# I was just thinking of Hitch
[05:41] <nixternal> gahahahah
[05:41] <Jucato> hehe
[05:41] <jjesse> so we rushed to the emergency room where they pumped me full of drugs
[05:41] <nixternal> mmm drugs
[05:41] <nixternal> :p
[05:41] <Jucato> oooh so you were sedated like nixternal
[05:41] <jjesse> yeah that was last night
[05:42] <nixternal> good stuff?
[05:42] <nixternal> haha, I am still picturing that part from hitch
[05:42] <jjesse> no clue actually what it was, some steroids and liquid benadryl
[05:42] <nixternal> where he is drinking the medicine and is all drunk, trying to sing
[05:42] <nixternal> benadryl was will's drink actually
[05:42] <jjesse> i was havign problems speaking cause my throat was all swollen up
[05:43] <nixternal> hahahahahahahahahaha
[05:43] <jjesse> really? that's cool
[05:44] <n8k99> original title was really awkward
[05:44] <n8k99> "The Last First Kiss"
[05:44] <nixternal> oh, now that is corny
[05:45] <Jucato> heh
[05:45] <Tm_T> like corn?
[05:45] <nixternal> so corny, I actually started my wedding vows off with it
[05:46] <n8k99> if that is true, i am so terribly ashamed for your wife
[05:46] <nixternal> x-wife
[05:46] <nixternal> hahahahahahahaha
[05:46] <nixternal> that damn line didn't work
[05:46] <n8k99> oh- didn't see that coming
[05:46] <nixternal> lol
[05:46] <jjesse> well if you didn't have more then "one last first kiss" with other people....
[05:47] <n8k99> hehehe
[05:47] <jjesse> oh well its way past my bedtime, so good night ladies and gentleman
[05:47] <n8k99> good night jjesse
[05:47] <Jucato> k'night jjesse!
[05:47] <Hobbsee> night jjesse!
[05:50] <nixternal> who here has some pull with the Rosetta admins?
[05:50] <nixternal> I am starting to get a little pissed at them
[05:51] <nixternal> there are still 7 templates they have uploaded yet for translations
[05:51] <nixternal> s/have/haven't
[05:51] <nixternal> if they don't do the one, then there will be no main Kubuntu index page that I slaved over dangit
[05:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: have you whined in #launchpad?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: during eu wokring day?
[05:54] <nixternal> I have whined every where imaginable
[05:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: what do they actually have to do?
[05:55] <nixternal> approve them or something
[05:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: if you can give me a paragraph of what you want, and what they have to do, i can attempt to pull some strings
[05:55] <nixternal> get them into the templates to be translated, and throw out the sysdocs-index one
[05:56] <nixternal> I will forward you the email I sent to the Rosetta admins
[06:00] <nixternal> any idea on when the next kdepim upload will occur?
[06:00] <nixternal> I have a new patch to fix a typo when signing/encrypting an email with kmail
[06:30] <coreymon77> goodnight everyone
[06:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: when we have a bunch of patches for it?
[07:16] <gnomefreak> just out of curisity(sp) what is holding armarok2 from being released from  build farm?
[07:18] <Hobbsee> build farm?
[07:19] <gnomefreak> buildd
[07:20] <Hobbsee> hasnt gone thru source NEW yet?
[07:20] <gnomefreak> last tie i checked (maybe a week ago it was never send out of new to buildd
[07:20] <Hobbsee> then it's stuck in teh NEW queue.
[07:21] <Hobbsee> nixternal: when will you fix the filterset g stuff?
[07:22] <ScottK> It's still in New.
[07:23] <gnomefreak> its been there for what like the beginning of september i was just wondering why it was never pushed to buildd or uploaded
[07:24] <ScottK> gnomefreak: The archive admins prioritize based on what they think is important and their available time.
[07:24] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: and it probably never had a uvfe, either
[07:24] <ScottK> Maybe after beta they'll have time....
[07:25] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Amarok2 did.
[07:25] <Hobbsee> ah, OK
[07:25] <ScottK> Hobbsee: It was uploaded before the freeze, but had another revision uploaded after (same upstream version).
[07:26] <nixternal> Hobbsee: filterset g stuff?
[07:26] <ScottK> So I covered it in the mass new package exception for all the stuff uploaded before the freeze.
[07:26] <Hobbsee> nixternal: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/99535
[07:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99535 in kubuntu-default-settings "[Suggestion] Change the list of Adblock filters" [Low,Confirmed]
[07:26] <gnomefreak> it was never uploaded to repos atleast apt can find a version of it
[07:26] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'm looking for stuff to upload to kdebase.
[07:26] <Hobbsee> ScottK: ah, cool
[07:26] <nixternal> Hobbsee: OK
[07:26] <gnomefreak> ok night i can finally go to sleep yay for me :(
[07:27] <Hobbsee> nixternal: looks like a whole lot of our docs point to adblock, though
[07:27] <nixternal> adblock is fine, the filterset.g stuff though is evil
[07:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: oh, point.  my bad.
[07:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: what's your opinion on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/107694 too?
[07:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107694 in kdebase "ksmserver: check for prelinking" [Undecided,New]
[07:30] <nixternal> let me test that and see if it is quicker. I swore I tested prelinking stuff a year or so back and didn't notice a difference
[07:32] <nixternal> brb
[07:33] <nixternal> oh hell ya it is faster
[07:34] <Hobbsee> nixternal: does it break anything though?
[07:34] <nixternal> I was being sarcastic...but my keyboard froze up :)
[07:35] <nixternal> it seemed the same to me
[07:35] <nixternal> ksplash may have gone a bit quicker, but nothing out of this world honestly
[07:35] <Hobbsee> as in, is it worth exporting it for those who use prelink?
[07:36] <nixternal> ahh, actually yes it just might be worth it
[07:36] <Hobbsee> it doesnt appear to do anything for those who dont use prelink
[07:36] <nixternal> I just tested it on my desktop, prelink off = 10 sec from kdm to stock desktop, prelink=on was about 5 sec
[07:37] <nixternal> OK, I am going to crash, I need to wake up in a few hours
[07:37] <nixternal> see ya in a bit
[07:54] <Hobbsee> uh...who put in filterset G anyway?
[08:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137946 in kdebase "/etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession executes .login .cshrc message dumps" [Undecided,Triaged]
[09:27] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:27] <_StefanS_> Jucato_: hey
[09:27] <Hobbsee> do we have beta release notes at all?
[10:15] <Jucato_> how do you change it again?
[10:15] <Jucato_> um..
[10:15] <stdin>  /nick
[10:15] <Jucato> sorry just got up. and not feelings stellar
[10:16] <stdin> I just realised I haven't said congrats on "Konquering the Planet", so congrats on "Konquering the Planet" :)
[10:17] <Jucato> hehethanks
[10:17] <Jucato> insertspace
[10:17] <Jucato> bah!
[10:20] <Jucato> stdin: btw, we had some power interruption earlier, so go killed and didn't realize that Jucato was still on when I restarted
[10:20] <Jucato> hence the tail
[10:21] <stdin> ahh
[10:21] <Jucato> and I'm definitely not feeling well
[10:22] <stdin> I picked up that vibe, yeah
[11:25] <Mez> where can I find ubuntu's linux.config (I need to add a modules to my kernel - which needs to build it)
[11:26] <Riddell> in the linux source?
[11:26] <Riddell> #ubuntu-kernel more likely to know
[11:42] <Tonio_> hey
[11:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yop
[11:43] <_StefanS_> hep hey Tonio_
[11:43] <_StefanS_> :D
[11:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: any new things you want me to look at today?
[11:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope, I've fixed some issues in klueplugd, will upload this afternoon
[11:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: did you get that python-qt4 in there aswell?
[11:45] <_StefanS_> the dependency I mean
[11:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yup
[11:46] <Jucato> ah the bluetooth guys :)
[11:46] <_StefanS_> sweet
[11:46] <_StefanS_> rather the bluetooth brothers hehe
[11:46] <Jucato> hahah :)
[11:46] <_StefanS_> bluez-brothers
[11:46] <_StefanS_> :D
[11:46] <Jucato> lol
[11:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: anything I should look at today?
[11:46] <Riddell> testing ISOs
[11:47] <_StefanS_> Riddell: gotcha. I just got my q6600 up running and all, so I can test 64bit aswell
[11:47] <Riddell> sounds fancy, whatever a q6600 is :)
[11:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: Quad ;)
[11:48] <Jucato> as long as it's _StefanS_... it's always fancy
[11:49] <_StefanS_> kwwii: you there?
[11:49] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I want to pay you for some work.
[11:49] <_StefanS_> ^ that will probably get his attention :)
[11:50] <kwwii> _StefanS_: I am too expensive for you
[11:50] <Jucato> lol
[11:51] <kwwii> _StefanS_: how can I be of service?
[11:51] <_StefanS_> kwwii: well since you're driving a spanking new mercedes I think you are too expensive :)
[11:51] <kwwii> Riddell is right about that
[11:52] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I need some logos / design for a webshop
[11:52] <_StefanS_> kwwii: if you're not too busy. Within a month from now.
[11:52] <_StefanS_> Jucato: pushed it to 3.6ghz last night (stock is 2.4) :)
[11:53] <kwwii> _StefanS_: I might find time in a few weeks but atm I am really super-duper busy
[11:53] <Riddell> there are other artists to try
[11:53] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ok, I will get back to you in a few weeks if I havent found someone to do it before that. Thanks
[11:53] <_StefanS_> Riddell: which ones?
[11:53] <Jucato> _StefanS_: kool :)
[11:53] <Riddell> _StefanS_: #oxygen
[11:53] <kwwii> nuno might have time
[11:53] <kwwii><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:53] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yea, until prime95 saw that the rounding calculations were wrong, then I had to turn it down to 3ghz
[11:54] <kwwii> tell him that I suggested you talk to him
[11:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell, kwwii: sweet, thanks
[11:54] <_StefanS_> I will.
[11:54] <Jucato> hehe work referrals :)
[11:54] <_StefanS_> :)
[11:59] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I wrote him a mail, so lets see how his time is.
[11:59] <kwwii> _StefanS_: cool
[12:00] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I will test the latest iso's now. Any particular areas you want me to look at?
[12:01] <Jucato> bug 144188
[12:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144188 in update-manager "version-upgrade crashes during Preparing for upgrade" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144188
[12:01] <Jucato> does the adept upgrade tool depend on update-manager?
[12:02] <Riddell> _StefanS_: just that it runs and installs fine
[12:02] <Riddell> Jucato: no, but it comes from the same source package
[12:03] <Jucato> ah I see. Lynoure over at #kubuntu is the one having problems
[12:05] <Riddell> _StefanS_: DVDs need testing too if you have lots of bandwidth
[12:06] <_StefanS_> Riddell: getting those now.
[12:06] <_StefanS_> Riddell: 20mbit, should be rather quick.
[12:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I suspect those iso's called amd64, also works for em64t?
[12:20] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes
[12:22] <_StefanS_> goody.
[12:22] <_StefanS_> Riddell: or groovy depending on who you are ;)
[12:26] <Jucato> which -dbg package is needed for Adept debugging symbols?
[12:27] <Riddell> you'd need to use dbgsym from whereever that is these days
[12:27] <Riddell> deb [WWW]  http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/ddebs gutsy main
[12:28] <Jucato> ooh ok thanks
[12:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: any decision as to d3lphin will stay the default filemanager?
[12:42] <Jucato> hm .. what were the default folders we now install in $HOME?
[12:52] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I'm all for it, it seems to work well
[12:52] <Riddell> Jucato: none
[12:52] <Jucato> oh...
[12:53] <stdin> you mean the bug with share and env ?
[12:53] <Jucato> no
[12:53] <Jucato> some Music Pictures, etc...
[12:54] <Jucato> I did a command line install from feisty, then installed kubuntu-gutsy
[12:54] <Jucato> but that was a month ago or so
[12:54] <Jucato> anyway.. dinner
[01:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was wondering, should kds still depend on kdm now that we don't hack the kdmrc file ?
[01:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I guess no but I wanted your opinion
[01:28] <Riddell> it shouldn't
[01:37] <_StefanS_> Riddell:
[01:37] <_StefanS_> Riddell: funny thing.. the i386 cd, doesnt give me any X that works
[01:37] <_StefanS_> Riddell: amd64 one on the hand works ?
[01:37] <_StefanS_> on the other hand..
[01:39] <Riddell> _StefanS_: i386 is working for me
[01:39] <_StefanS_> Riddell: on nvidia ?
[01:39] <Riddell> no
[01:39] <_StefanS_> trying it again now.
[01:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: works now it seems
[01:42] <_StefanS_> ood.
[01:42] <_StefanS_> odd.
[01:42] <Riddell> phew
[01:43] <_StefanS_> :D
[01:43] <_StefanS_> donno exactly what caused it though.. will boot it a few times to test
[01:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I get video again now. Seems like it was a one off kinda thing.
[01:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll prepare a fixed kds package for post-beta
[01:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: feel free to add a kdm theme without the user selector as well :)
[01:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I heard someone rant about that ;)
[01:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: shouldn't it be easy to do . ?
[01:51] <Riddell> it would indeed
[01:51] <Riddell> just copy it from feisty and give it a sensible name
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, which user selector are you talking about ?
[01:51] <Riddell> in kdm
[01:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho okay, that one :) let's go
[01:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: which one should be used by default ?
[01:54] <Tonio_> the one with the list right ?
[01:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: unionfs is the one used for the livecd's contents, right?
[01:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I get a unionfs: find_lock_page failed on the amd64/dvd
[01:59] <_StefanS_> Riddell: donno if its important
[02:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm not copying from feisty, but changing the gutsy one to fit the size of the feisty one
[02:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: that would nicer to respect the visual aspect of gutsy
[02:03] <_StefanS_> Riddell: amd64/dvd hangs upon kde reboot.
[02:03] <_StefanS_> Riddell: testing i386/dvd now.
[02:08] <Lure> Riddell: so, no way to get rid of python2.5-dev dependancy?
[02:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: pretty hard to do without the png in fact, I may have to ask ken...
[02:10] <Tonio_> kwwii: ping ? ;)
[02:13] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ah usplash dont work in amd64/dvd, upon boot.
[02:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: keep the list by default yes
[02:14] <jjesse> morning
[02:15] <Riddell> Lure: I can't find any way in the 10 minutes I looked at it, but there probably is some way to make it load libpython2.5.so.1 rather than libpython2.5.so
[02:17] <Jucato> moin jjesse
[02:17] <jjesse> moin Jucato
[02:19] <Lure> Riddell: maybe doko knows, as he suggested this as proper fix
[02:20] <Riddell> Lure: he pointed to one line which appeared to be loading the .so file but changing that didn't help
[02:20] <Riddell> Lure: sime would be the best person to ask
[02:22] <kwwii> Tonio_: pong
[02:23] <kwwii> what pic do we need?
[02:23] <Tonio_> kwwii: hey ;)
[02:23] <kwwii> hey man
[02:23] <Tonio_> kwwii: I'm working on a second kdm theme without the user list, and I need to fix the image you did, to reduce the size
[02:24] <Tonio_> kwwii: impossible to do without the svz, btw ;)
[02:24] <kwwii> let me check, I think I made the smaller size already
[02:24] <Tonio_> kwwii: ho !!! that would be super :)
[02:25] <kwwii> 462x324 right?
[02:25] <Tonio_> yep
[02:25] <kwwii> let me put it on my server, one second
[02:26] <Tonio_> hehe, you rock man !
[02:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: you can get the one from ksplash
[02:26] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/kdm_small.png
[02:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, indeed, didn't thought about that :)
[02:26] <Riddell> kwwii: http://geocities.com/srikrishna_innovations/aka_files/akademylogo_0.5.jpg
[02:27] <kwwii> Riddell: hehe, nice
[02:27] <kwwii> kinda big to put on the smaller things - probably could just use the akademy text with 2008 below it
[02:27] <kwwii> good to see that someone else made it this year :-)
[02:28] <kwwii> erm, and that will be too many colors to print on a t-shirt I guess
[02:29] <Riddell> kwwii: thanks, I'll pass that on
[03:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: the kdm theme will be done toonight
[03:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: want something like an alternative to help people to swith between the 2 theme ? or do we let them change the config files ?
[04:25] <Riddell> bug 145226
[04:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145226 in ubiquity "Kubuntu OEM DCOP error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145226
[04:34] <Riddell> bug 123425
[04:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123425 in ubiquity "[gutsy]  Passwords intead of Full Names" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123425
[04:36] <imbrandon> Riddell: know if anyone has had problems with kubuntu/daily-live/20070925.2/ daily images ??
[04:37] <Riddell> imbrandon: the URL in the topic will tell you
[04:39] <imbrandon> kk
[04:46] <manchicken> I'm guessing mvo doesn't respond to his ubuntu.com email addy much.
[04:50] <davmor2> Riddell: ping
[04:51] <Riddell> hi davmor2
[04:52] <bddebian> Heya folks
[04:53] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 145226 I can confirm I've tested kub 64bit alt.  So heno asked me if I could try the oem.  I get the  dcop error the minute that I reboot for first time user
[04:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145226 in ubiquity "Kubuntu OEM DCOP error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145226
[04:55] <davmor2> other than that everything seems to be working:)
[04:55] <Riddell> davmor2: but otherwise it goes ok?
[04:56] <Riddell> davmor2: this is oem from kubuntu 64bit alternate?
[04:56] <davmor2> Riddell: Yes and Yes
[04:56] <Riddell> ok, so must just be me getting the problem
[04:57] <davmor2> Riddell: The oem part of the install is flawless.  It is only when you restart for end user that any issues arise
[04:57] <Riddell> yep
[04:57] <davmor2> even then if you click ok on the warning message it carries on
[04:58] <davmor2> brb
[05:13] <Lure> Riddell: enterprise kdepim seems to have gotten pretty attachement list (in header) - not sure if we can include such stuff after StringFreeze, but it would be great
[05:14] <Riddell> Lure: mostly we want to find a stable version
[05:15] <Lure> Riddell: I know ;-), but it is hard as every week is combination of features and fixes (and from multiple dveeloper branches)
[05:15] <Lure> Riddell: I think we should go in "take last snapshot + cherry pick patches from than on"
[05:16] <Riddell> I've not heard people complaining since the last upload except thomasZ
[05:16] <Lure> Riddell: thomasZ issue was being worked on in #kontact and it is scalix related
[05:16] <Lure> Riddell: some scalix improvements were commited today
[05:17] <Lure> Riddell: there is one new crash on encrypted mail just today, and there was quite some work on encr e-mail recently
[05:17] <Lure> Riddell: I am thinking of updating my ppa with today's snapshot and update to fridays if everything looks ok
[05:18] <Lure> Riddell: then it will be your call to decide what to do ;-)
[05:18] <manchicken> Has anybody seen this before: http://www.mail-archive.com/kubuntu-bugs%40lists.ubuntu.com/msg12240.html
[05:18] <manchicken> There's a user in #kubuntu who is wondering if that will help his groupwise woes.
[05:19] <Lure> manchicken: we should have 3.5.7, so I do not see a need for this patch
[05:20] <manchicken> Ah, maybe I should read things :)
[05:20] <manchicken> I'll advise the user to upgrade to 3.5.7
[05:45] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: I think I got yesterday's error again
[05:58] <jeroenvrp> where are the display resolutions stored on a per user basis?
[06:07] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: please try to follow instructions i left on the bug report and post/attach the info to it drop me a bug number when your done ill get to it later today
[06:10] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: what was the bugnr. again
[06:11] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: I'll do that later today, need to go home now
[06:12] <gnomefreak> i dont remember the number off hand
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Does the new Konqueror break Gmail?
[06:37] <Goliath23> Riddell: your email bounced. you can take a look at the last 3 comments for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ksplash-engine-moodin/+bug/41407
[06:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41407 in ksplash-engine-moodin "Kubuntu's Ksplash icons are too close to each other" [Medium,Confirmed]
[06:38] <Goliath23> Riddell: and there's still the issue with the moodin cache containing the old violet background not beeing deleted when updateing... leaving the user with a inconsistent look.
[06:38] <Goliath23> no bi8
[06:39] <Goliath23> argh... no bug report for it was what I wanted to say ...
[06:39] <Goliath23> gotta go. cu
[06:45] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: I have submit Bug #145283 , but maybe its a guidance problem and not a xorg-problem. What do you think?
[06:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145283 in xorg "[gutsy]  When Driver in xorg.conf is set to  "openchrome"  X fails to start. Changing it manually to "via" works." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145283
[06:47] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: could be either
[06:47] <Riddell> I'm not much of an X person
[06:47] <jeroenvrp> is it possible to add two packages?>
[06:49] <Riddell> to what?
[06:49] <jeroenvrp> xorg and kde-guidance
[06:50] <jeroenvrp> but I tried it allready and it seems not be possible
[06:50] <jeroenvrp> I will change to kde-guidance
[06:51] <jeroenvrp> it just shoulnt add openchrome in zorg.cong
[06:51] <jeroenvrp> xorg.conf
[07:24] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: I commented on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-firefox/+bug/140885
[07:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140885 in mozilla-firefox "firefox freezes when greater than three windows are openened" [Medium,Incomplete]
[07:26] <DaSkreech> Anyone having issues with Gmail and konqueror?
[07:33] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: ill be gone for a few hours (not feeling really good today) i updated bug report when you get time can you review it. Thank you
[07:34] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: thanks
[07:35] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: thank you for helping with it
[10:08] <nixternal> and so they say that have fixed my internet...we shall see :)
[10:09] <gnomefreak> your here it cant be too broken
[10:09] <nixternal> ya, here now, gone in 5, back in 10, gone again in 15, and so on :)
[10:10] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:10] <gnomefreak> i have days like that
[10:10] <nixternal> ya, I had an entire month like that
[10:19] <gnomefreak> oh god, i mainly get it when using dlink router but my motorola router has its days and i blame ISP but dlink is the dlink router
[10:42] <MidMark> Riddell: I'm testing dvd iso 25.1 and seems there is a freeze installing Italian version (non english) and without network
[10:43] <MidMark> well it's eating cpus
[10:43] <MidMark> and it is stopped at 87% during language installtion
[10:45] <MidMark> this is a very old bug, that the dvd version always try to take the language files from internet instead of the dvd, at least I think this is the problem
[11:09] <Riddell> MidMark: I think that's a known bug, I'm not sure
[11:09] <Riddell> MidMark: in the live install?
[11:09] <MidMark> yes, now I'm trying reinstalling using spanish, seems go ahead, after I will try again Italian
[11:09] <MidMark> I'm trying live dvd 25.1 september into virtualbox
[11:10] <MidMark> I know freezes can depends also to virtualbox, but it's the fastest way to test :)
[11:15] <MidMark> Riddell: also if you log out from live then "ubuntu" user is not present in the users list
[11:16] <Riddell> don't log out on the live session then :)
[11:16] <MidMark> lol
[11:19] <MidMark> ok spanish installation finished without freeze, but spanish isn't installed
[11:19] <Goliath23> Riddell: not giving up.... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/41407/comments/25
[11:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41407 in ksplash-engine-moodin "Kubuntu's Ksplash icons are too close to each other" [Medium,Confirmed]
[11:19] <Goliath23> Riddell: this one really works.. *promise*
[11:19] <Goliath23> I tested it from a clean apt-get source with single and dual head.
[11:20] <Goliath23> btw. is there a "debian way" or script to create those patches?
[11:21] <Riddell> diff -u  is the usual way
[11:21] <Goliath23> k
[11:21] <Riddell> you can also try cdbs-edit-patch
[11:21] <Goliath23> i'll take a look
[11:22] <Goliath23> I suggest you test the patch from a fresh source, too.
[11:34] <gnomefreak> installing kdebase-workspace before i reinstalled ubuntu installed all kdelib5* and freinds it was a huge download 300+ mb or something like that. installing it now only installs kdebase-workspace packages is this bad?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> all it installs is kde4base kde4base-data kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-data
[11:39] <MidMark> Riddell: confirmed, what I have to attach to the bug report? /var/log/installer/debug ?
[11:40] <Riddell> MidMark: /var/log/installer/*
[11:40] <MidMark> Riddell: yeah, the other file just says ubiquity 1.5.18
[11:41] <gnomefreak> win 20
[11:44] <MidMark> damn how can I copy files if I have no network in virtual machine?
[12:07] <MidMark> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/39483
[12:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 39483 in debian-installer "Kubuntu 6.06 final dvd doesn't install italian language for kde and other packages" [Medium,Fix released]
[12:08] <MidMark> this bug is 1 year and half old
[12:08] <MidMark> hope someone will fix it
[12:11] <Riddell> I suspect it's quite hard to
[12:12] <MidMark> why?
[12:36] <gustavonarea> Hello, I have a Toshiba Satellite L35 laptop and, with the latest kernel version, either X or KDM (or both) don't start anymore. I know it's because of the kernel because I can start kdm with a previous kernel.