[16:01] <Aleksey1> In me falls nautilus with the attempt to open reference the computer
[16:02] <Aleksey1> So it is more intelligible?:)
[16:03] <IdleOne> Aleksey1: no :(
[16:04] <Aleksey1> IdleOne:sorry ;)
[16:04] <tgpraveen> mac_v: if I do bzr branch lp:humanity, then will my humanity theme be updated to latest version
[16:04] <BluesKaj> guys , I think Aleksey1 is asking how to fix nautilus crash
[16:04] <tgpraveen> or do I have to do anything more?
[16:04] <Aleksey1> IdleOne:I go to teach english
[16:04] <IdleOne> Пожалуйста, используйте это для перевода. http://translate.google.com/translate_t #
[16:05] <Aleksey1> BluesKaj: yes
[16:05] <hsarci> is there anyway to simply increase the transparency of window decorations?
[16:05] <robin0800_> Aleksey1: you mean nautilus fails if you try to open the computer icon from the places menu?
[16:05] <Aleksey1> IdleOne: Already use
[16:05] <IdleOne> Aleksey1: ok
[16:05] <Aleksey1>  robin0800_: yes
[16:05] <IdleOne> so google translate is not so great
[16:05] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: The only situation where pulseaudio is useless is low latency audio production
[16:06] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: Otherwise it helps save power, gives you per-app volume control, balanced volume levels, etc
[16:07] <mac_v> tgpraveen: everything in lp:humanity is already in Ubuntu , we are not going to fiddle with lp:humanity much only bug fixes which will be available in Ubuntu also
[16:07] <Aleksey1> robin0800_: how to fix the failure of nautilus?
[16:08] <robin0800_> Aleksey1: don't know
[16:08] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, I know pulseaudio is a fav around here and it has many advantages when it works , but I get very choppy distorted audio , like it's looping back thru itself and alsa. All is fine now that PA isn't in the loop so to speak :)
[16:09] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: I had one recent kernel version where I was getting that as well
[16:09]  * Aleksey1 Senk.I He left to teach English
[16:10] <tgpraveen> Amaranth: isn't PA also trying to improve itself for low latency cases also?
[16:10] <tgpraveen> I think I read that somewhere
[16:10] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, I suspect pulseaudio doesn't work properly with certain pci soundcard kernel modules.
[16:11] <Amaranth> tgpraveen: Dunno about that
[16:11] <Amaranth> tgpraveen: Last I heard the plan was to create a system that lets jack and pulseaudio hand control of the sound card to each other as needed
[16:12] <Amaranth> The idea being you aren't going to be listening to music with banshee while you've got ardour or whatever open to record your guitar session
[16:13] <saji> Hey i upgraded to KArimc beta, now I'm getting the following error-
[16:13] <saji> /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found (required by synaptic)
[16:13] <saji> How can i fix it?
[16:14] <saji> hello, anybody here?
[16:14] <saji> Is  this channel dead?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> saji: yes
[16:15] <BluesKaj> !patience | saji
[16:15] <saji> shadeslayer, any idea?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> saji: wait a sec
[16:15] <saji> BluesKaj, any idea how to fix this?
[16:15] <saji> shadeslayer, ok...
[16:16] <bad_one> anybody noticed memory leak in Xorg?
[16:16] <bad_one> mine eats more than a gig of ram
[16:16] <shadeslayer> bad_one: same here
[16:16] <bad_one> thnx
[16:16] <shadeslayer> bad_one: same problem in suse as well,so i guess were all in it together
[16:17] <saji> hi
[16:17] <shadeslayer> saji: yeah hold on
[16:18] <shadeslayer> saji: what did you do which resulted in that error?
[16:18] <saji> shadeslayer, ok..
[16:18] <saji> shadeslayer, I updated from 9.04 to 9.10..
[16:18] <shadeslayer> saji: no what app did you open?
[16:18] <saji> shadeslayer, tried to open synaptic...
[16:19] <amgarchIn9> saji: /usr/local is for custom installations. You must have installed there something on your own. You need to recompile
[16:19] <saji> shadeslayer, and I'm unable to update now.. It seems that this file is very important to many applications...
[16:19] <shadeslayer> saji: ok,try : sudo apt-get install synaptic
[16:20] <saji> error is-
[16:20] <saji> apt-get: /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found (required by apt-get)
[16:20] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[16:20] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, think maybe he should purge synaptic , then reinstall
[16:20] <saji> shadeslayer, It doesn't work..
[16:20] <thiebaude> saji, sudo apt-get update
[16:20] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: seems like hes missing some things..
[16:20] <shadeslayer> saji: do a complete update and then install : ubuntu-desktop
[16:20] <HoopyCat> saji:  try "ldconfig -v" ... sounds like there might be some weird stuff in the shared libs
[16:21] <BluesKaj> yes , one doesn't compile synaptic btw
[16:21] <saji> thiebaude, still the same eroor...
[16:21] <thiebaude> ok
[16:21] <shadeslayer> saji: youve compilied synaptic?
[16:21] <saji> shadeslayer, I had done a complete update...
[16:21] <JoshuaL> is it possible to have different wallpapers per view-port with gnome & compiz?
[16:21] <saji> shadeslayer, No i have not compiled anything...
[16:21] <thiebaude> saji, how did you upgrade?
[16:21] <HoopyCat> saji:  and pastebin the output of "ldconfig -v" if possible :-)
[16:22] <saji> HoopyCat, ok,,
[16:22] <amgarchIn9> saji: mv /usr/local /usr/local.hide
[16:23] <saji> thiebaude, sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[16:23] <saji> amgarchIn9, what's that for?
[16:23] <thiebaude> saji, i did update-manager -d
[16:24] <HoopyCat> saji:  "whereis apt-get" should return just "apt-get: /usr/bin/apt-get /usr/share/man/man8/apt-get.8.gz" as well... does it return something in /usr/local/bin?  (i would hold off on mv /usr/local /usr/local.hide for right now)
[16:24] <thiebaude> saji, but now i have a fresh install
[16:24] <amgarchIn9> saji: to use standard libs. You must have /usr/local/lib somewhere in your LD_LIBRARY_PATH or LD_PRELOAD
[16:25] <saji> amgarchIn9, How will i set that?
[16:25] <saji> !paste
[16:26] <amgarchIn9> echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH; unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH; see google for "bash environment variable"
[16:27] <gbear14275> I'm having problems adding a network printer.  I added a printer manually via the add printer command, entered the IP address.  If seems to have found it but its not requesting that I "Enter device URI" and even though the field is auto-populated, the forward button is greyed out.
[16:27] <HoopyCat> saji:  i suspect that something/somewhere installed /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6 at some point for some purpose... i believe moving it out of the way (mv /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6.disabled) then rerunning ldconfig might clear it up, but hmm.  hard question is figuring out *why*
[16:27] <amgarchIn9> saji: ^^
[16:28] <saji> amgarchIn9, I'm nor running ldconfig -v
[16:29] <gbear14275> Is there anything I can do to help troubleshoot this?  Normally I would just submit a bug report and wait but am trying to set this system up for a new linux user and only have a couple hours to get them all setup
[16:30] <amgarchIn9> saji: pastbin the output of "env | grep PATH"
[16:31] <saji> amgarchIn9, output at http://paste.ubuntu.com/296210/
[16:32] <saji> HoopyCat, how will i move that out of the way?
[16:32] <amgarchIn9> saji: what is in your /usr/local/bin ? apt-get? synaptic?
[16:33] <saji> lemme see that, amgarchIn9
[16:33] <HoopyCat> saji:  how much stuff is there in /usr/local/lib?  is it just that one file, or are there a bunch of libraries?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> whats a good replacement for gimp in kde?
[16:33] <naresh> krita
[16:34] <naresh> krita-kde4
[16:34] <saji> Content of /usr/local/bin-
[16:34] <saji> addr2name.awk  gcj-dbtool  gnative2ascii          i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
[16:34] <saji> c++            gcjh        gorbd                  i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3.4
[16:34] <saji> cpp            gcov        grmic                  i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcj
[16:34] <saji> g++            gfortran    grmid                  i686-pc-linux-gnu-gfortran
[16:34] <saji> gappletviewer  gij         grmiregistry           jcf-dump
[16:34] <saji> gc-analyze     gjar        gserialver             jv-convert
[16:34] <saji> gcc            gjarsigner  gtnameserv             ubuntuzilla.py
[16:34] <saji> gccbug         gjavah      i686-pc-linux-gnu-c++
[16:34] <saji> gcj            gkeytool    i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++
[16:34] <vox> ugh
[16:34] <shadeslayer> saji: pastebin!!!!
[16:34] <vox> please use a pastebin
[16:34] <saji> shadeslayer, sorry... :)
[16:34] <shadeslayer> naresh: what about karbon?
[16:34] <saji> vox, sorry for that...
[16:34] <naresh> shadeslayer: karbon is a replacement for inkscape
[16:35] <shadeslayer> naresh: i mean whats the difference b/w krita and karbon?
[16:35] <naresh> karbon is a vector graphics app
[16:35] <naresh> krita is a pixel graphics app
[16:35] <shadeslayer> ah..
[16:36] <saji> content of /usr/local/lib
[16:36] <amgarchIn9> saji: so you must have been compiling GCC on your own? "dpkg -S /usr/local/bin/g++"
[16:36] <saji> http://paste.ubuntu.com/296213/
[16:36] <Arelis> To everyone in #ubuntu+1: In your opinion, is it better to upgrade the intel drivers, or to upgrade to Karmic?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> and can anyone get highlight window to work with stasks?
[16:36] <saji> amgarchIn9, I had compiled GCC on my own!
[16:37] <saji> amgarchIn9, How did you understand tat?
[16:37] <amgarchIn9> saji: now it is outdated and in your way. Telepathy.
[16:37] <saji> amgarchIn9, so?
[16:38] <Arelis> To everyone in #ubuntu+1: In your opinion, is it better to upgrade the intel drivers, or to upgrade to Karmic?
[16:38] <HoopyCat> saji:  cd /usr/local/lib; mkdir old; mv lib* old; ldconfig    <--- that should make things in the core system work, perhaps at the expense of breaking things compiled with the rogue gcc
[16:38] <saji> What is dpkg -S /usr/local/bin/g++ for?
[16:39] <amgarchIn9> saji: to find out which package that file belongs to. see "man dpkg"
[16:40] <naresh> shadeslayer: http://luisbg.blogalia.com//historias/64812 <-- cool rite?
[16:40] <Arelis> Anyone?
[16:40] <saji> HoopyCat, I did what you said.. now what?
[16:41] <HoopyCat> saji:  do apt-get, etc, work again?
[16:41] <naresh> Arelis: I just upgraded to Karmic. Sparing a ouple of empathy crashes here and there, alls' fine.
[16:41] <saji> HoopyCat, Please elaborate that...
[16:42] <saji> amgarchIn9, the output is-
[16:42] <saji> dpkg: /usr/local/bin/g++ not found.
[16:43] <phnom> Is there any way to move the area where the notifications pop up? The notifications from Pidgin comes up too far from the upper panel for my liking.
[16:43] <Arelis> naresh, Do you have an Intel video card? Does it work well?
[16:43] <HoopyCat> saji:  you came here with a problem.  does the problem still occur, after moving lib* out of /usr/local/lib and rerunning ldconfig?  (actually, i suspect you might want to mv /usr/local/lib/old /usr/local/lib.old, since i think it might still look in that subdirectory... been awhile since i've broken a machine like this :-)
[16:43] <amgarchIn9> saji: so you have to continue cleaning /usr/local manually. Like you already did for /usr/local/lib. Do same thing for /usr/local/bin.
[16:43] <naresh> Arelis: yes, i do. it works much better than it used to.
[16:44] <naresh> i can watch x264 encoded HD videos of dexter in 720p
[16:44] <GneXteR> Anyone else got problems with timeouts during downloading fonts for the ttf-mscorefonts-intaller?
[16:44] <naresh> without any framedrops
[16:44] <Arelis> naresh, Then i'm upgrading Ubuntu to Karmic. I think installing the newer intel drivers, then when karmic is out, installing it, will cause trouble.
[16:44] <saji> amgarchIn9, Now the update manager is working... :)
[16:45] <Arelis> And are all the apps available that are in Jaunty?
[16:45] <amgarchIn9> saji: but "g++" doesnt. See "which g++"
[16:45] <rsk> Arelis: i belive all are, if not they are replaced by something else.
[16:46] <Arelis> Okay. What is the safest command/program to upgrade?
[16:46] <rsk> Arelis: sudo update-manager -d is the best way
[16:46] <phnom> Every time I run ldconfig it says "/sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/ is not a symbolic link". Anyone know the cause of this and how to fix it?
[16:47] <HoopyCat> saji:  i believe the problem was that the stuff installed with the rogue gcc is older than what ships with karmic (although probably newer than what shipped with jaunty), but the library subsystem is relatively dumb and operates on the theory that stuff in /usr/local should override.  a fun one for sure.
[16:47] <GneXteR> Is there any way that I can intall ubuntu-restricted-extra without the need of mscorefonts?
[16:47] <Arelis> rsk, It doesn't show the "upgrade" button.
[16:48] <shadeslayer> GneXteR: see all the packages and install them one by one
[16:48] <rsk> hm what does it show Arelis ?
[16:48] <ikus060> Me again, I'm trying to figure out what going one with my display. First it's start with that http://imagebin.ca/view/3sExIBK.html, somehow I can't reproduce it anymore. Now the anything involving openGL is choppy and crash withing a minute or 2. Does anyone have experience that before ?? My graphics card is a Nvidia and I use the proprietary driver.
[16:48] <Arelis> rsk, the normal update window.
[16:48] <shadeslayer> GneXteR: or if you use synaptic remove the packages you dont need
[16:48] <rsk> Arelis: it should be fine.
[16:48] <Arelis> rsk, but it's empty
[16:48] <Arelis> rsk, and the updating button is greyed out
[16:48] <naresh> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[16:49] <Arelis> hmm, now I did it in a terminal, and that DOES work.
[16:49] <Arelis> naresh, is that a safer command?
[16:49] <naresh> this one spans no GUI
[16:49] <naresh> spawns*
[16:49] <GneXteR> shadeslayer: yeah but I restricted extras wont work
[16:49] <GneXteR> I cant get Xvid to work
[16:49] <Arelis> naresh, so I can execute that in a console?
[16:49] <naresh> so.. it's neat if you run things in a screen, for example
[16:51] <GneXteR> shadeslayer: and the issue is that ubuntu-restricted-extras depends of ttf-mscorefonts-installer.. which dont work
[16:51] <NinjaPlimsolls> can someone send me a test PM please?
[16:51] <Arelis> What are "production machines"?
[16:52] <shadeslayer> GneXteR: ok then,ubuntu-restricted-extras is a meta package,you dont need it installed
[16:52] <naresh> Arelis: production machines - as opposed to test or development machines
[16:52] <GneXteR> shadeslayer, ok trying to install every dependency of ubuntu-restricted
[16:52] <HoopyCat> Arelis:  if you can't get your work done when it breaks, it's a production machine
[16:52] <NinjaPlimsolls> i guess not
[16:52] <Arelis> This is my main desktop computer, but it has Mac OS X too - is it safe?
[16:53] <thiebaude> !9.10
[16:53] <naresh> Arelis: you're the best one to judge that...
[16:53] <BluesKaj> ikus060, I used the proprietary driver on my geforce7600gt for about 2 weeks, then the default glx-185 driver was finally fixed and works well now . if the nvidia-glx-185 driver lists your card in synaptic or adept , then you're good to go with it. Just make sure you stopx and install it from the TTY after purging the proprietary one.
[16:53] <Arelis> HoopyCat, ah, then it's no problem.
[16:53] <Arelis> Is Karmic still buggy, though?
[16:53] <Arelis> Or are almost all the bugs gone?
[16:54] <thiebaude> Arelis, i have no problems on my fresh install
[16:54] <naresh> bugs in empathy and network-manager concern me
[16:54] <ikus060> BluesKaj, where should I see if my card is compatible with nvidia-glx-185 ??
[16:54] <naresh> i don't find any problems with the rest of my desktop though
[16:54] <vox> network-mangler has never worked for me
[16:54] <HoopyCat> Arelis:  an upgrade to either OS can break the dual-boot setup, requiring a bit of work to fix it.
[16:54] <naresh> vox: lol
[16:55] <vox> not just in karmic, i mean.. ever
[16:55] <naresh> :D
[16:55] <BluesKaj> ikus060, in synaptic or adept
[16:55] <saji> amgarchIn9, you there?
[16:55] <HoopyCat> Arelis:  and all software has bugs.  :-)  a lot will be fixed in the next 11 days, some you'll never see.
[16:55] <vox> its not just me either, most of my friends use ubuntu, and it's /never/ worked for them either
[16:56] <BluesKaj> ikus060, which nvidia card ?
[16:56] <saji> Hoopycat how will i manually clean my usr/local/bin too?
[16:57] <ikus060> BluesKaj, nVidia Corporation G72 [GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS] (rev a1)
[16:57] <HoopyCat> saji:  same sort of thing... make a directory called "old" and mv things into it
[16:57] <bcurtiswx> hey all, i can't see if rtkit's replaced by anything since update manager wants to remove it... is rtkit being replaced/renamed?
[16:57] <thiebaude> bcurtiswx, i had that happen 1 hr ago
[16:57] <ikus060> BluesKaj, I'm currently using the NVidia 185.18.36 driver
[16:58] <thiebaude> rtkit
[16:58] <bcurtiswx> is rtkit supposed to be getting removed would be a better question
[16:59] <thiebaude> bcurtiswx, at the end of the updates, i didn't have updated manager remove anything
[16:59] <saji> HoopyCat, is it- cd /usr/local/bin; mkdir old; mv lib* old; ldconfig   ?
[17:00] <bcurtiswx> thiebaude: weird how autoremove wants to get rid of rtkit too
[17:00] <bcurtiswx> thiebaude: can you verify with me if rtkit is installed on your machine
[17:00] <saji> HoopyCat, ?
[17:00] <thiebaude> yes, 1 sec
[17:01] <thiebaude> bcurtiswx, no its not installed, but it wants to remove some pulseaudio stuff, so i said no
[17:01]  * saji I wonder if HoopyCat has gone..:)
[17:02] <HoopyCat> saji:  probably "cd /usr/local/bin ; mkdir old ; mv g* c* i* j* old" will do the trick.  somewhat more surgical.
[17:02] <thiebaude> i did apt-get install rtkit
[17:02] <ioka_> is this normal or my pc is damn slow.When i update everything becomes unussable, and the screen - dark
[17:02] <thiebaude> i leave that alone for now
[17:02] <BluesKaj> ikus060, hmm. that's the right driver for your card , but if you compiled it yourself then it's out of date , there have been several upgrades lately
[17:02] <HoopyCat> saji:  and since there's no libraries in there, ldconfig isn't necessary.  (are you still having problems, or is synaptic working ok again?)
[17:02] <saji> HoopyCat, I'll do that...
[17:02] <bcurtiswx> thiebaude: weird indeed.  thx
[17:02] <hsarci> anyone know how to make a transparent panel in gnome have rounded edges?
[17:02] <thiebaude> and scary, pulseaudio,lol
[17:02] <thiebaude> np
[17:02] <saji> HoopyCat, without doing that itself now Synaptic is working..
[17:03] <saji> HoopyCat, So do i need to clean that still?
[17:03] <saji> HoopyCat, Now i'm able to run updates too...
[17:03] <ikus060> BluesKaj, I didn't compile it my self. I got it from the repository. But the thing I don't understand is the package is not install.
[17:04] <funkyHat> re. my complaint about firefox and apparmor earlier: bug 454758
[17:04] <HoopyCat> saji:  maybe.  the next step depends on why you installed gcc there in the first place.  if it was for no specific reason, doing what i said above then installing the "build-essential" package will do the trick.
[17:04] <ikus060> BluesKaj, I will try to cleanup the mess and install  nvidia-glx-185
[17:04] <BluesKaj> ikus060, purge the driver and install it again , then do an update
[17:05] <ioka_> what are the dev package for?
[17:05] <funkyHat> thiebaude: which pulseaudio stuff, it might be fine?
[17:05] <ioka_> like lighttp-dev
[17:06] <thiebaude> funkyHat, i'll have to check
[17:07] <thiebaude> funkyHat, how do i pastebin that?
[17:07] <funkyHat> thiebaude: copy and paste?
[17:07] <funkyHat> !paste
[17:08] <Polarina> Hi.
[17:08] <saji> HoopyCat, So i still need to clean /usr/local/bin
[17:09] <thiebaude> funkyHat, http://paste.ubuntu.com/296233/
[17:10] <funkyHat> thiebaude: ah, right. yeah, not ok to remove that
[17:10] <thiebaude> haha,ok
[17:10] <funkyHat> Not sure why it's wanting to remove those though ?
[17:10] <HoopyCat> saji:  yeah, i would.  my rule of thumb is to avoid software outside of the ubuntu repositories as much as possible, to make security upgrades (and, as you can see, general system upgrades :-) as seamless and automatic as possible.
[17:11] <thiebaude> funkyHat, and i dont have any problems with 9.10
[17:11] <funkyHat> Oh, because the version of rtkit is too low, apparently
[17:11] <thiebaude> funkyHat, what does rtkit do anyway?
[17:12] <funkyHat> Changes scheduling priority of processes to realtime mode on request, apparently
[17:12] <penguin42> thiebaude: I think it's for giving processes real-time privelidge
[17:12] <funkyHat> Seems like quite a nifty idea
[17:12] <thiebaude> penguin42, kernel mode setting?
[17:12] <HoopyCat> saji:  i must get some work done away from the computer now, so i'll be idle for awhile.  best of luck, and enjoy 9.10 :-)
[17:12] <shadeslayer> is there a way to start a kde app which does NOT follow the system color scheme?
[17:13] <funkyHat> No, not KMS, thiebaude
[17:13] <penguin42> thiebaude: What about it?
[17:13] <thiebaude> ahh,ok
[17:13] <funkyHat> KMS is to do with display output modes
[17:14] <thiebaude> penguin42, update manager wanted to install rtkit,
[17:16] <penguin42> I think pa has a dependency on rtkit - but then I saw something about how the kernel patches it needs aren't there yet so it's not much use yet
[17:16] <BluesKaj> thiebaude, rtkits are kernel patches
[17:16] <penguin42> BluesKaj: No
[17:16] <funkyHat> BluesKaj: no, rtkit is realtime kit, it's a dbus service
[17:17] <BluesKaj> oops , sorry lemme rephrase that : they require kernel patches
[17:17] <Travis-42> Does the "report problem" feature after an application crash send the entire contents of memory or anything like that, or just that related to the program? (e.g. if a password manager is loaded in memory, is it safe to report the problem?)
[17:17] <funkyHat> pulseaudio in Karmic doesn't have a dependancy on rtkit anyway.
[17:18] <funkyHat> penguin42: perhaps open up aptitude and figure out what is depending on rtkit. You probably need to remove that
[17:18] <BluesKaj> anyway , it's time for some fresh air and a walk ..BBL
[17:18] <thiebaude> BluesKaj, take care
[17:19] <funkyHat> Travis-42: as long as the problem isn't with password manager
[17:19] <thiebaude> i got 63mb of updates
[17:19] <funkyHat> thiebaude *
[17:20] <Travis-42> ok thanks funkyHat
[17:22] <russlar> someone mentioned last night that they couldn't upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 with an encrptyed home folder (just the folder, not the entire partition). Anybody else seen that?
[17:25] <ikus060> BluesKaj, still there ??
[17:26] <ikus060> BluesKaj, I've install nvidia-glx-185 package but some reason X.org did not select it
[17:27] <b1shop> does 9.10 still use usplash?
[17:27] <CPrgmSwR2> interesting that updates are made to pulseaudio, though still no sound
[17:30] <penguin42> CPrgmSwR2: It's not always PA's fault - it can be kernel drivers as well
[17:30] <darthanubis> or user error
[17:30] <darthanubis> install gnome-alsamixer and turn the sound up
[17:30] <darthanubis> ALL of the sound levels
[17:30] <penguin42> darthanubis: Arguably if it's that hard to notice that something is turned down their is a GUI problem
[17:31] <darthanubis> penguin42, no argument from me
[17:31] <cousin_mario> hello
[17:31]  * cousin_mario can't find vol_id anymore on karmic koala
[17:31] <darthanubis> I don't like that everytime I reboot one of my machines, I have to turn the sound back up with gnome-alsamixer
[17:32] <darthanubis> I thought it was broken or a bug
[17:32] <darthanubis> well it is a bug
[17:34] <amgarchIn9> cousin_mario: blkid?
[17:36]  * thiebaude bbl going to watch football
[17:37] <ioka_> with mv and with rm I can delete files, right?
[17:37] <Dr_Willis>  bash basics - yes   rm = delete
[17:38] <russlar> rm yes
[17:38] <Dr_Willis> !bash
[17:38] <rob0> um, mnemonics there: mv=Move rm=Remove
[17:38] <Dr_Willis> and DONT expect to be able to UNdelete :)
[17:39] <cousin_mario> amgarchIn9: what package, precisely?
[17:41] <Arelis> I just booted Karmic. When it booted, i saw a really nice theme, but after I opened the Appearance properties, it reverted to my customized theme. How do I get that default karmic theme back?
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> thats the 'human' theme i thought
[17:43] <Arelis> I think it was Dust.
[17:43] <Arelis> i had black panels
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> try them and see  I guess.
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> I alwyas customize my own.
[17:43] <Arelis> but where's the wallpaper?
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> or make a new user. see what theme they got
[17:43] <Arelis> good idea
[17:43] <Arelis> the wallpaper isn't in the appearance properties
[17:45] <corys_> hey i have question.. trying to tri-boot ubuntu, windows 7, windows vista that are on 3 seperate hard drives. Running into a bit of an issue with setting up grub2. Wonder if anyone can offer some advice? thanks
[17:46] <Ghone> I can't boot Karmic due to a neverending fsck.  Is it possible to bypass the fsck?
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> update-grub saw all the os's i had on my sepereate hard drives. :)
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> Ghone:  known bug from a few weeks ago.. You could  go to the bios screren set the date ahead a day and see if it boots then
[17:46] <penguin42> Ghone: You should be able to hit escape to skip I think; how big is your partition and how long did you give it?
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> then update/upgrade
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> if you see mention of 'fsck date is set to the future' - then ya got the date bug.
[17:47] <Ghone> Dr_Willis : Thanks, I'll try that.
[17:47] <corys_> the error I get is "error: cannot open '/dev/sdd'  while attempting to get disk size"
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> is one of your windows install on sdd?
[17:48] <corys_> well, when I do fdisk -l I see the following drives.. /dev/sda1 /dev/sb1 /dev/sb2 /dev/sb5 and /dev/sdc1
[17:48] <corys_> I don't see a /dev/sdd
[17:48] <Ghone> penguin42: escape doesn't do anything.  Ctrl-D stops the fsck but causes a reboot and restarts the fsck.  The partition is around 300GB and i sat through about 40 minutes of Pass 1.
[17:49] <rob0> Those are partitions (some of which are typoed), not drives.
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> proberly not a real bug/problem then Ghone
[17:49] <corys_> how can I tell if I have a windows partition on /dev/sdd then?
[17:49] <russlar> Ghone: think you;ll need to let it go. assuming you're runnign an ext filesystem, run tune2fs -i 0 -c 0 /your/root/here to disably deep fscks based on mount dates and counts
[17:51] <penguin42> Hmm why would ctrl-d stop the fsck?  If the fsck failed it would drop to a shell where it would do that
[17:52] <russlar> penguin42: not if it can't read the shell (iw root fs is hosed)
[17:53] <russlar> Ghone: I suggest letting the fsck run
[17:53] <penguin42> russlar: Yeh but I'm just wondering if the reason Ghone's fsck isn't finishing is because it's failed
[17:53] <russlar> penguin42: certainly a possibility
[17:53] <russlar> penguin42: but I also think it just needs more time
[17:54] <penguin42> russlar: But then that's the question of why does ctrl-d cause it to exit?
[17:54] <russlar> dunno about that one, but I have seen that same behavior with RHEL
[17:54] <russlar> Ghone: can you boot to a live cd?
[17:55] <Ghone> I tried booting from a liveuSB and it also went all fscky on me.
[17:55] <frybye> ps - updated from jaunty nbr to karmic beta nbr a could of hours ago = super - very nice - seems one has to add the shutdown button to top panel with a right click etc. if one wants it - but up till now that was only issue I found...for a beta spez. version - good.
[17:55] <tramsei>  I have a problem on Ubuntu with dhcpd3 not starting on boot.  i installed sysv-rc-conf and it says that it's setup to run on runlevels 2,3,4,5 but it doesn't appear to be running when i start the system.  any idea why this could be?
[17:55] <doktoreas> hello folks..I ahev strange problem with audio on karmic..each time I recive a sound messge from any source, the audio device make a solt of noise like a bump
[17:56] <russlar> Ghone: try a CD, if possible
[17:56] <penguin42> frybye: Do you have a blob with your username in the panel - that has a menu with shutdown for me
[17:56] <DanaG> hmm, one thing you can do: alt-sysrq-E
[17:56] <DanaG> it'll terminate upstart jobs, but not kill everything.
[17:56] <frybye> penguin - no - for some reason that is not there... i start it again now and have another look but I don't think so...
[17:57] <penguin42> frybe: Add the indicator applet session applet
[17:57] <Ghone> russlar: will do.
[17:58] <frybye> penguin42: perhaps it has something to do with the fact that I did not take the preset kernal from the grub/startup list but the one above it (newer apparently... why it preset to an older version I am not sure...?)
[17:58] <penguin42> frybye: I doubt it's related
[17:59] <frybye> Have it running now - no username button... but no big deal cos the shurdown button I added is fine.. it also allows logout - restart etc...
[17:59] <frybye> penguin42: can It be that I dont have a user button cos there is only one user on that system?
[18:00] <penguin42> frybye: Nah, I suspect it's just an upgradism - I'm not sure what you get on a fresh karmic install
[18:00] <frybye> no big deal - and remember this is a netbook remix - so a bit short of space for loads of stuff anyhow up there.. 10" screen...
[18:01] <penguin42> ah, I've not tried that
[18:01] <frybye> penguin42: on a netbook it seems to be very cool... i like it loads...
[18:01] <Ghone> It seems that I am able to boot a Karmic Alpha 5 LiveCD but not a Jaunty LiveUSB.
[18:01] <russlar> ok....
[18:01] <penguin42> Ghone: Well that's heading in the right direction
[18:02] <frybye> Ghone: why use alpha5 - there is a beta??
[18:02] <dtchen> why use a Beta? There are dailies.
[18:02] <russlar> Ghone: find the root disk with fdisk -l, then run fsck -fy -C 0 /root/disk/here
[18:02] <Ghone> I haven't got the beta on a CD, just on a USB stick at work and can't get there.
[18:03] <russlar> the alpha is fine for what you need to do
[18:03] <hsarci> the compiz "pulse" effect for buttons doesnt work for me, does it work for anyone else?
[18:04] <frybye> dtchen: right there I guess...
[18:04] <Ghone> fsck running from the liveCD actually shows progress.  This might be a good thing.
[18:04] <russlar> Ghone: has teh fsck started yet?
[18:05] <dtchen> Ghone: do you have the original image/file used to generate the usb stick?
[18:05] <russlar> Ghone: yes, that's teh -C 0 flag
[18:05] <frybye> another quest. Am I right when I think that Ubuntu one can only be accessed with a machine running ubuntu? (- which seems to defeat the point of cloud storage a bit...?)
[18:06] <russlar> frybye: not if they're trying to push ubuntu adoption ;)
[18:06] <frybye> if the stuff one has there is supposed to be accessable from all over - what does on do on a machine running <other-than-ubuntu> in a setting where booting to an alternative os dosen't come into question...
[18:06] <Ghone> dtchen: Very likely yes.  Now that I have a running fsck that isn't playing dead I think I'll wait and see what happens.
[18:07] <frybye> I mean - using the terminal at a public library with windows - and can you imagine what would happen if you even tried to boot to a ubuntu-live cd... heheh
[18:07] <Dr_Willis> frybye:  i think they have a web interface as well.
[18:07] <Dr_Willis> frybye:  so you can get to your files that way. and your tomboy notes
[18:08] <frybye> hmmm I tried to access https://ubuntuone.com but it did not seem to want to come up on a win7 pc...
[18:08] <frybye> perhaps just lame .. ok it is there now.. good - that makes sence of the whole system...
[18:09] <dtchen> Ghone: if you have the original, you can zsync to the Beta or even a daily.
[18:09] <dtchen> Ghone: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[18:13] <Ghone> dtchen: I'm not sure that will work if I die of old age before fsck completes.  21.3%.....  I think I might need to buy a faster drive.
[18:14] <naresh> :D
[18:16] <tanath> compiz appears to be running, but none of the effects/plugins work
[18:16] <danlii> Is there some way to make gdm not use the chooser, and instead make the user type in the username?
[18:16] <Dr_Willis> watch the fsck messages next time it boots.. if it mentions somtuing like 'fsck date set to future - check forced' then you might want to try setting the clock ahead a day
[18:16] <Ghone> fsck woke up.  I think things are going to be okay.  russlar may have saved my day!
[18:16] <Dr_Willis> danlii:  not at this time that i know of.
[18:17] <Ghone> Dr_Willis:  It said it was fscking due to 22 reboots.
[18:17] <hsarci> anyone use the "pulse" compiz effect? i cant seem to get it working
[18:17] <Dr_Willis> Ghone:  ok. thats sort of normal :)
[18:18] <Dr_Willis> Ghone:  that # is setable with tune2fs
[18:18] <tanath> danlii, yeah, it's been done to me against my will :P
[18:18] <tanath> after last reboot, my user disappeared from login screen
[18:18] <russlar> ghone: what fs is your root? ext3/4?
[18:19] <Ghone> ext3.  fsck just completed.
[18:19] <danlii> tanath: You could perhaps grep for "chooser" in /etc/gdm/*
[18:19] <russlar> Ghone: cool. I suggest running this command: tune2fs -i 0 -c 0 /your/root
[18:19] <russlar> that will disable fsck's that are triggered by date
[18:20] <russlar> and number of times it's mounted
[18:20] <Ghone> Once it got past 21.7% it just flew.
[18:20] <Ghone> I think I'll do that.
[18:20] <tanath> danlii, i see a bunch of stuff...
[18:20] <russlar> I'm guessing your disk is 22% full?
[18:20] <Ghone> Is there any way to make a forced fsck display output?
[18:20] <tanath> danlii, nothing that looks helpful
[18:20] <russlar> yes, -v
[18:21] <rob0> I had to reboot recently; we had an extended power outage which outlasted my UPS. :(
[18:21] <balanceofcowards> Hi everyone
[18:21] <Ghone> No, it's more like 85% full.   I get the boot screen, but it doesn't get beyond that. Any ideas?
[18:23] <balanceofcowards> First option in the boot menu is "instald". Choosing that gives me a message box saying "/install/vmdinuz" and an OK button
[18:23] <Ghone> Yay!   I has bootage!
[18:23] <balanceofcowards> pressing Enter afterwards just returns to the menu - no installation
[18:23] <russlar> Ghone: :D
[18:23] <topyli> trying out netbook remix. sometimes when i close a window, the panel redraws and is empty (no applets are showing)
[18:24] <Ghone> Now I'm trying to go back to breaking things trying to get my keyboard working properly.
[18:24] <Ghone> Nevermind.  It magically works now.
[18:25] <Dr_Willis> the magical keyboard faries
[18:25] <frybye> jeez - pretty stupid - ubuntu one apparently is -only- accessable from an ubuntu-jaunty-or-karmic machine... makes the whole thing a bit pointless.. there are a lot of similar cloud storage systems that can be accessed from all over... hmmm
[18:25] <Ghone> It even lets me type the letter 'A'.  I think I like Karmic.  Edgy through Jaunty never much liked the 1,Q,A, and Z keys on this keyboard.
[18:26] <Dr_Willis> 0_o
[18:26] <penguin42> anyone know much about the power management scripts - I've got a typo and I'm not really sure where it belongs
[18:27] <penguin42> Ghone: I *very* much doubt it's a difference in Karmic that doe that - that sounds like you have a broken track
[18:27] <shadeslayer> anyone have : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Bespin?content=63928
[18:27] <joaopinto> !ot | frybye
[18:27] <Dr_Willis> :)
[18:27] <hsarci> anyone use the "pulse" compiz effect? i cant seem to get it working
[18:27] <Dr_Willis> https://one.ubuntu.com/files/#path=/Shared%20With%20Me
[18:28] <Dr_Willis> access via web browser dont work?
[18:28] <frybye> ubuntu one is part of karmic
[18:29] <frybye> as a cloud computing device its general accessability is on topic I would think or...?
[18:29] <rob0> frybye: https://ubuntuone.com works for me from non-Ubuntu browsers.
[18:29] <Dr_Willis> rob0:  thats the point i was making. :)
[18:30] <Dr_Willis> files, and notes i got here.. No contacts.. not sure howyou add contacts
[18:30] <rob0> I do not have Windows, however, so I can't test that.
[18:30] <tanath> any idea why my user might disappear from the login screen after reboot?
[18:30] <Ghone> penguin42: 'A' is still working.  This rocks.
[18:31] <tanath> same user i've been using for years
[18:31] <Dr_Willis> you wore it out.
[18:31] <tanath> lol
[18:31] <Dr_Willis> login via console..?
[18:31] <tanath> nope. gdm'
[18:31] <Dr_Willis> see if they still exist
[18:31] <tanath> i'm using it
[18:31] <tanath> but had to click 'other' and type it in
[18:31] <Arelis> So why did they decide to replace Pidgin?
[18:31] <tanath> for like the first time ever in memory
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> Pidgins doody all over the statues.
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> :)
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> taste like chicken
[18:32] <tanath> muh? what replaced pidgin
[18:32] <tanath> ?
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> empathy i think
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> i dont use either one.
[18:32] <tanath> hm
[18:32] <frybye> looks like I will have to find some ubuntu-crack locally who can show me how to use this ubuntu-one device - I cant even add files to it on my ubuntu netbook... forget the theme for now...
[18:33] <tanath> Dr_Willis, then what?
[18:33] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu one is a work in progress...
[18:33] <Dr_Willis> IRC is the ultimate chat. :)
[18:33] <tanath> heh
[18:33] <Travis-42> Arelis: it's not entirely replaced, it's just a different default
[18:33] <tanath> yeah, check out the text-based video
[18:34] <frybye> also a similar system from the evil empire does not seem to want to work on ubuntu either - so thats pretty much quits...
[18:34] <nemo> joaopinto: 0.9.12 Hedgewars is out, FWIW - you do the getdeb right?
[18:34] <frybye> Dr_Willis: I note your comment - thanx
[18:35] <nemo> joaopinto: http://download.gna.org/hedgewars/hedgewars-src-0.9.12.tar.bz2
[18:35] <joaopinto> nemo, yup, will package it for playdeb
[18:35] <joaopinto> tks
[18:35] <Dr_Willis> i click on my tomboy notes in ubuntone and get a server error. ;)
[18:35] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu-One - is very very very much a work in progress.
[18:35] <frybye> Dr_Willis: well - perhaps it is not just -lame-me- who has probs with u-1
[18:36] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, you mean karmic^H^H^H^H ubuntu one ?
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> Please contact the server administrator<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> 'i clicked on a link mr admin..'
[18:36] <tanath> Dr_Willis, wow, they actually picked something worse than pidgin
[18:36] <frybye> Dr_Willis: yeaj I have seen that one a few times also in the last hour.. heheh
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> You broke it..
[18:37] <Dr_Willis> 'Mr admin - a guy on irc broke it...'
[18:37] <Dr_Willis> :)
[18:37] <frybye> ha - funny - ha!
[18:37] <Dr_Willis> Trying to upload a image file.
[18:37] <shadeslayer> anyone using bespin?
[18:38] <shadeslayer> the kde windeco
[18:38] <frybye> yeah - can you imagine the audacity - he treid to do it from win7... heheh
[18:38] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: I think the other thing that's needed for Ubuntu One is some statement about just how much resiliance/backup it has - If I'm storing data on a cloud I want to know what keeps the cloud up
[18:38]  * Dr_Willis thinks cloud is becomming another meaningless buzz word.
[18:38] <frybye> penguin42: clouds where always 99% thin air and 1% structure... heheh
[18:39] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: It's mostly hot air
[18:39] <tanath> how the hell do i make empathy functional?
[18:39]  * penguin42 snap :-)
[18:39] <tanath> apparently have to add protocols, but there's nothing i'm finding in the repos..
[18:39] <frybye> penguin42: right on...
[18:39] <Ghone> Aren't some clouds mostly cold air that's just too disorganized to fall down of their own accord?
[18:39]  * penguin42 has a disagreement between hal and the quirk scripts and I'm trying to figure out which is wrong
[18:40] <tanath> i know pidgin needs work, but unfortunately it's the best out for linux. should prolly stick with it. fork it if necessary
[18:40] <joaopinto> tanath, you don't mean fork, you mean rewrite
[18:40] <tanath> joaopinto, or that
[18:41] <frybye> Ghone - maybe they need a few more glider-pilots to work at canonical?? ;)
[18:41] <joaopinto> there are multiple tecnhological benefits from empathy, it's a long term bet
[18:41] <tanath> joaopinto, but empathy looks like it has even further to go
[18:41] <tanath> joaopinto, mm. well how is one supposed to make it work now?
[18:41] <joaopinto> tanath, yes it does, however it has much more were to go
[18:41] <tanath> heh
[18:42] <joaopinto> tanath, unless you are a developer, you need to wait, or install pidgin
[18:42] <joaopinto> where to
[18:42] <tanath> already have pidgin, but it freezes after running too long
[18:42] <tanath> so it's practically unusuable
[18:42] <russlar> Ghone: tell that to sidekick users
[18:42] <tanath> leave it for a few hours and my system locks up
[18:43] <joaopinto> tanath, that's odd, never had such problem
[18:43] <tanath> i have lately, with the last several releases
[18:44] <hsarci> anyone use the "pulse" compiz effect? i cant seem to get it working
[18:44] <Ghone> I think I said _some_
[18:44]  * Dr_Willis doesnet even knwo what the Pulse compiz effect is.. :)
[18:44] <tanath> joaopinto, well, i eagerly await improvements to empathy
[18:44] <hsarci> Dr_Willis, its under "blur"
[18:44] <tanath> hsarci, yeah, what does that do, anyway?
[18:45] <hsarci> pulse is supposed to make buttons "pulse" when you hover over them
[18:45] <tanath> i can't get _any_ compiz effects working at the moment
[18:45] <hsarci> it doesnt do anything for me
[18:45] <tanath> ah
[18:45] <Dr_Willis> I odnt even see what blur does...
[18:45] <tanath> it finally doesn't crash no matter what... but it's not doing anything for me either
[18:45] <Hukka> Ok, so aptitude just segfaulted on me. Twice.
[18:45] <tanath> that's not good
[18:45] <Hukka> Running extended smart tests and memtester. Any other suggestions?
[18:46]  * penguin42 worries that we've had a few people in the last couple of days with apt-get/aptitude segs
[18:46] <tormod> hukka does apt crash as well?
[18:46] <Hukka> tormod: Doesn't happen everytime with aptitude either
[18:46] <hsarci> Dr_Willis, blur will blur anything that is behind someting using an alpha(or opaque) effect
[18:46] <Hukka> tormod: So not so far, but doesn't rule it out
[18:46] <amgarchIn9> does standby work properly on your 9.10? Check by "echo standby > /sys/power/state" Mine hangs up for "standby" but works with "mem" and "disk" suspends.
[18:46] <tanath> glad mine's ok. i love my aptitude :P
[18:46] <Hukka> I don't think it has to do with aptitude, really
[18:46] <Hukka> Must be a hw failure
[18:47] <tanath> my suspend failed to resume today
[18:47] <Hukka> Could explain my other quirky problems compiling kernels and my not working nVidia acceleration
[18:47] <tormod> Hukka, and deleting /var/cache/apt/*.bin does not help?
[18:47] <Hukka> tormod: Just running the same aptitude command immediately again helps
[18:47] <tanath> i figured it was the fact that i upgraded teh kernel without rebooting
[18:47] <Hukka> So it's a very transient problem
[18:47] <tormod> very strange
[18:47] <stpere> Hukka: with a beta distro, you can't really rule out a software bug
[18:47] <hsarci> amgarchIn9, my standbay works fine
[18:48] <Hukka> stpere: I suppose, yeah
[18:48] <tormod> stpere, it is not beta anylonger :)
[18:48] <tormod> we're close to release...
[18:48] <Hukka> But what other tests could I run on hw?
[18:48] <stpere> technically iyt still is
[18:48] <Hukka> For example to make sure the sata controller is not corrupting data
[18:48] <stpere> until the 22, then it will be release candidate :)
[18:48] <tormod> Hukka, running another distro/version would be a good hw test
[18:49] <Hukka> tormod: I installed Karmic last night, after problems with debian, actually...
[18:49] <Hukka> Though that's not that much different
[18:49] <joaopinto> nemo, is that source final ? just to be sure because it's not listed on the website yet
[18:49] <tormod> Hukka, I see. then replacing hw parts one by one... memory etc
[18:50] <Hukka> tormod: Which is a bit too costly to be feasible, for anything else than hw and memory :/
[18:50] <stpere> for what it's worth, it really feels beta to me :)
[18:50] <Hukka> Is there really no test that would continously write on hd and read it back, to test the controller for example?
[18:51] <tormod> Hukka, compiling the kernel is a great stress test :)
[18:51] <Ghone> might be a good idea to run memtest86 first
[18:51] <Hukka> tormod: That seems to work. Or well, at least I've managed to make a kernel I can boot into in the last 72 hours
[18:51] <Hukka> (Not thanks to the kernel-package, curse the debian maintainers...)
[18:51] <rob0> there is badblocks(8), but it's of doubtful use for modern error-remapping hard drives.
[18:51] <dupondje> Isn't there a Eclipse PDT package for Ubuntu Karmic ?
[18:52] <rob0> What is the real problem you're seeing?
[18:53] <rob0> "not working nVidia acceleration", I would ask nvidia.
[18:53] <rob0> also: 17:48 < tormod> Hukka, running another distro/version would be a good hw test
[18:54] <Hukka> :/ Any idea which non debian derivative would be the least akward?
[18:54] <Hukka> Don't say RH
[18:54] <joaopinto> uh, changing distros is an hw integrity test ?
[18:54] <ikonia> clearly not
[18:54] <Ghone> Hukka: what nVidia card are you using?
[18:55] <nemo> joaopinto: is listed now
[18:55] <nemo> joaopinto: as are torrents
[18:55] <nemo> but yes, is final
[18:55] <nemo> joaopinto: sorry. was busy in #hedgewars :-/
[18:56] <amgarchIn9> does "xrandr --output LVDS  --mode 1024x768" changes the resolution of your LCD?
[18:56] <Hukka> rob0: I did ask them. The problems I've seen so far are: a few random crashes of aptitude, system freezing when trying to use any 3D features or two screens with nVidia driver, and some weird non-loading kernel modules with error "exec format error" (file said they were "data" not "ELF binaries")
[18:56] <stpere> joaopinto: the goal was to remove the "beta" from the equation
[18:56] <Hukka> Ghone: GTX 260
[18:56] <rob0> Hukka might want a recent live CD / USB distro to test with. I wouldn't do an install, no.
[18:57] <Hukka> Unfortunately nv doesn't support high resolutions, otherwise I would use that. I even installed nouveau, but it
[18:57] <Hukka> 's rendering is glitchy
[18:57] <rob0> huh? I use nv here, 1680x1050
[18:57] <Hukka> rob0: 2560x1600
[18:57] <rob0> and dual head
[18:57] <dupondje> Where to get Eclipse PDT ?
[18:57] <Hukka> Doesn't support duallink dvi resolutions, AFAIK
[18:57] <Ghone> Hukka: Too new for my blood, but I've seen a few of my nVidia cards burn up in the past causing random seemingly unrelated problems.  If you've got another card you can use temporarily, or even on-board GFX it might be worth trying it.
[18:58] <Hukka> Ghone: I'm in the middle of trying to find someone who still uses windows to test the card
[18:58] <Hukka> Seems to be a rare breed these days on people I know (apart from laptop/netbook users)
[18:59] <rob0> My card has VGA, DVI, and TV connectors, and it shows in the X log as three-headed, although I've only used two (VGA+DVI).
[19:00] <Hukka> But anyway, I can't imagine that the 3d card could cause sw to segfault, nor corrupt installed modules
[19:00] <joaopinto> stpere, beta is part of the hw integrity validation
[19:00] <joaopinto> is not
[19:01] <Ghone> Hukka, I've had 3 NV cards that caused weird problems.  Don't count it out.
[19:01] <Hukka> "Computers are deterministic" my ass... this is occassionally voodoo...
[19:01] <Ghone> If that sucker got a little too hot once, it'll act as fruity as bad RAM.
[19:02] <Pconfig> hey, i just upgraded to karmic beta from jaunty but the process didn't go smoothly. I wasn't on my computer when the crash happened but for some reason kdesudo crashed and the process hung. Now .. how can i be sure i have all packages needed and it didn't remove the old (unsupported) packages like gcc 4.3
[19:10] <dupondje> Buttons broken in Java apps? Just installed Aptana here, and half of buttons I can't click with mouse, but can do by pressing enter
[19:12] <BluesKaj> Pconfig, close and reopen the terminal , do a :  sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[19:13] <GneXteR> Bah... can still not run xvid files =(
[19:13] <rsk> GneXteR: tried mplayer filename in a terminal?
[19:14] <GneXteR> may try
[19:14] <Pconfig> BluesKaj: That did nothing, that's a good sign right?
[19:14] <BluesKaj> yes
[19:15] <BluesKaj> ok now , do a sudo aptitude update
[19:15] <Pconfig> done
[19:16] <BluesKaj> any updates ready to upgrade?
[19:16] <GneXteR> rsk,  object file: No such file or directory
[19:17] <Pconfig> BluesKaj: nope
[19:17] <BluesKaj> Pconfig, run,  sudo aptitude safe-upgrade to be sure
[19:17] <balanceofcowards> re: problems with alternate CD - I burned a second CD, checked MD5 sums, checked the CD. Still can't install with the alternate CD. Is this a known error?
[19:18] <Pconfig> BluesKaj: done, nothing again
[19:18] <mfraz74> using UNR Karmic, is there any reason why I've got Nvidia packages installed?
[19:18] <BluesKaj> ok Pconfig , you should be ok then
[19:19] <Pconfig> BluesKaj; ok thanks. Any easy way to get rid of gcc 4.3 and other obslote packages?
[19:19] <GneXteR> rsk,  get only sound with VLC
[19:20] <Hukka> Mail doesn't get sent, "exec error"... :/
[19:20] <GneXteR> [0xb7404b28] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `XVID'.
[19:20] <Hukka> Gaah!
[19:20] <Hukka> Things are breaking right under me, and fast
[19:20] <rsk> GneXteR: replace filename with the actual filename
[19:21] <BluesKaj> Pconfig, try sudo aptitude autoclean
[19:21] <GneXteR> I did
[19:21] <rsk> GneXteR: is the file uppercase anyhow like a letter? that needs to be in the filename aswell
[19:22] <rsk> GneXteR: try mplayer <autocomplete/tabbing> file
[19:22] <GneXteR> rsk, but I dont have mplayer... tryed to install but it couldnt because of some dep's
[19:22] <GneXteR> Did that
[19:22] <rsk> ok mplayer is installable here, so something else is bugged aswell
[19:22] <GneXteR> mplayer: Depends: libdirectfb-1.0-0 but it is not installable
[19:22] <Pconfig> BluesKaj; already tried that
[19:23] <GneXteR> ok
[19:23] <GneXteR> it doesnt play in totem or vlc either =(
[19:24] <balanceofcowards> did anyone actually perform a successful install with the alternate cd so far?
[19:24] <GneXteR> and Ubuntu-restricted-extras depends of mscorefonts which won't work
[19:24] <balanceofcowards> The menu even looks buggy to me - it probably should say "install" instead of "instald" and "Mainmenu" instead of "eainmenu"
[19:24] <GneXteR> Has anyone else managed to install ttf-mscorefonts-installer?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> Pconfig, if you are sure it's obsolete, there's an app that removes orphaned packages, but I've forgotten the name
[19:25] <adam7> balanceofcowards: did you put it in english?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> !orphaned
[19:25] <balanceofcowards> adam7: I chose English as language
[19:25] <webbb82> i have a weird bug in empaTHY when im instant messaging back and forth the window doesnt scroll down and follow the conversation i have to keep clickin the down arrow
[19:25] <balanceofcowards> but that doesn't matter. Install works with no language whatsoever
[19:26] <BluesKaj> Pconfig, apt/aptitude should remove obsolete pkges automatically , unless they were compiled from source
[19:29] <Pconfig> BluesKaj: ok thanks, that means i'm fine
[19:29] <BluesKaj> Pconfig, http://ubuntu-tutorials.blogspot.com/2007/01/cleaning-up-ubuntu-gnulinux-system.html
[19:34] <GneXteR> things are happening here
[19:34] <GneXteR> many updates:p
[19:34] <Kiption> so is the notify stuff supposed to blur if I mouse over it?
[19:37] <LLStarks> notify is annoying if cups or your printer is acting up.
[19:38] <Kiption> no printer attached
[19:38] <Kiption> the messages show up
[19:38] <Kiption> i mouse over because i would think that would cause them to stay up so i can read them
[19:38] <Kiption> but they blur instead
[19:38] <Kiption> and then disapeer
[19:38] <Jordan_U> Kiption: The idea is that they should never get in the way of your work
[19:39] <Kiption> hmmm
[19:39] <Kiption> Jordan_U: are there any configuration options for it that aren't installed by default?
[19:40] <coz_> hey guys  ..is that white ubuntu logo during boot  going to stay there?  please say no lol
[19:41] <Jordan_U> Kiption: The whole idea of notify-osd is that the notifications are never interactive, so there is no option to make them interactive / not fade when you move the mouse over them
[19:43] <mfraz74> trouble is you can't read what's underneath  them
[19:44] <Jordan_U> mfraz74: You can if you move the cursor over them
[19:49] <CPrgmSwR2> should I file a bug for my no sound issue
[19:52] <dtchen> yes
[19:52] <dtchen> ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[19:56] <G_A_C> hmm, I just got an error; apparently I need to notify you guys that my display server is broken, and there was a link to a gnome.org blog entry on blanking....
[20:02] <brian_> i am trying  to use gnome-do docky but it is so slow and lags i cant use it
[20:06] <coz_> hey guys ...for ubuntu software center I am getting this error   ImportError: /usr/lib/libwebkit-1.0.so.2: file too short
[20:06] <coz_> known bug ^^^ ??
[20:09] <brian_> does anyone els have gnome-do docky lag and very very slow
[20:09] <coz_> brian_,  sorry guy I dont use  gnome-do
[20:10] <brian_> oh
[20:10] <coz_> brian_,  I could install and test here hold on
[20:11] <brian_> thanks that would be really nice of you
[20:11] <mfraz74> used to use gnome-do, but uninstalled it after i found it very slow in updating
[20:11] <penguin42> brian_: It's OK, took a second or two to come up that time - but I don't use it a lot, was much faster on reopening
[20:11] <natewiebe132> alright.. here is my issue.. ive got a computer here with 9.04 installed on it.. it has no optical drive, and there is no option to boot from a usb device.. ive got the 9.10 on a flash drive.. is there an entry i can add to grub to boot from the usb device?
[20:12] <brian_> when i hover the mouse over it it will lag for a split second
[20:12] <brian_> everytime
[20:14] <coz_> brian_,  how do you get this to use the docky thing
[20:14] <wirechief> natewiebe132: booting from usb comes from the bios
[20:14] <Liberty> Is there any place for a beggining programer to learn how to write c programs.
[20:14] <brian_> click on the triangle in the corner of the search box then preffs
[20:14] <natewiebe132> wirechief: yes.. and as i said, the bios has no option to boot from usb device
[20:14] <penguin42> natewiebe132: I think you should be able to use grub's chainboot option or you could specify the device
[20:14] <brian_> then goto the last tab and choose theme docky
[20:15] <coz_> Liberty,  you could start in the #programming   channel
[20:15] <natewiebe132> penguin42: any ideas how?
[20:15] <penguin42> natewiebe132: However, if the bios can't see the usb device you're stuck - I'd boot grub, get to the menu and then try tab completing the devices, see if it sees it as a block device
[20:15] <Liberty> coz lol thanks I'm new to this irc thing too
[20:15] <wirechief> natewiebe132: i think your stuck, however i think i saw something a while back from mcnlive that you could do it but you still needed a cdrom disk :(
[20:15] <penguin42> natewiebe132: The other possibility would be to copy the kernel/initrd into the /boot on your hard disc and add an entry into the grub to boot it - pointing the root to the usb
[20:16] <coz_> brian_,  ok which video card are you using     in terminal     lspci | grep -i vga
[20:16] <natewiebe132> penguin42: i have found a way of booting xp from a flash disk.. what changes would i need?
[20:17] <brian_> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[20:17] <wirechief> also its possible if you do what is called fromiso , the iso resides on your hd, perhaps it would be similar and could be adapted
[20:17] <penguin42> natewiebe132: I'm about to disappear so haven't got time to do the full explanation; I'd say try seeing if grub can see the usb (try the tab complete) then if so I'd try a chainboot
[20:17] <brian_> coz_, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[20:17] <brian_> oops sorry for the double post
[20:18] <coz_> brian_,  all I can say is this is most likely a video issue  perhaps  set more memory for the intel video in the bios  but I am not sure   docky seems awkwared here  although I have a low end nvidia card  right now
[20:18] <natewiebe132> penguin42: alright.. thanks for the info
[20:19] <brian_> coz_, everything els doesnt lag  its only docky
[20:19] <Thirtysixway> Is there any plan to release any torrents early as to help with download speeds on release day?
[20:21] <wirechief> Thirtysixway: you could use zsync it would update the local .iso
[20:22] <wirechief> http://unixlab.blogspot.com/2009/10/downloading-ubuntu-910-beta-with-zsync.html
[20:22] <Thirtysixway> wouldn't that invalidate the torrent because of hash checking?
[20:22] <brian_> coz_, go here and scroll down a little  how do i edit the xorg.conf file in karmic    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/UxaTesting
[20:22] <coz_> brian_,   yes I know about UXA  and EXA
[20:23] <coz_> brian_,  i dont have intel video here but if  EXA works then go for it :)
[20:23] <brian_> how do i edit xorg.conf last time i checked karmic koala doesnt have a xorg conf file
[20:25] <BluesKaj> brian_, you can run dpkg-configure xserver-xorg in the terminal or TTY , and that should generate an xorg.conf file
[20:26] <shiznebit> hi
[20:26] <brian_> it wont screw everything up will it
[20:26] <BluesKaj> no
[20:26] <shiznebit> i was curious in top what does %wa stand
[20:27] <shiznebit> for.
[20:27] <brian_>  dpkg-configure command not found
[20:28] <brian_> dpkg-configure: command not found
[20:28] <shiznebit> dpkg --configure
[20:28] <brian_> dang sorry again
[20:28] <BluesKaj> brian_, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:29] <BluesKaj> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:31] <brian_> BluesKaj, it just droped down a line
[20:31] <brian_> nothing happen ed
[20:31] <BluesKaj> clean install ?
[20:32] <brian_> i just did a week ago
[20:33] <BluesKaj> brian_, I guess it's obsolete , i don't have it anymor either
[20:33] <brian_> ya
[20:33] <brian_> so how would i do this  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/UxaTesting
[20:36] <BluesKaj> brian_, try this in the run box if you're on kde , kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf , on gnome use the equivalent
[20:38] <duffydack> my epson sx400 still doesnt detect scanner.. still needs iscan from epson..  hmmm
[20:40] <sebsebseb>
[20:42] <webbb82> ok sorry i had to reboot
[20:43] <ikus060> I have glxgears crashing here and I wonder how I can retrieve the core dump.
[20:43] <webbb82> you said try xorg.conf in the launch menu?
[20:43] <ikus060> Where is it supposed to be located
[20:44] <BluesKaj> webbb82, alt+f2 , kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:45] <BluesKaj> if you are running kde , on gnome I've forgotten the name of the text editor
[20:45] <webbb82> BluesKaj, ya that opened the xorg.conf
[20:45] <coz_> gedit
[20:45] <coz_> gedit is gnome's text editor
[20:45] <BluesKaj> it's been 5 yrs :P
[20:46] <coz_> :)
[20:46] <X^rAY> Hi Guys, how yous doing.
[20:47] <X^rAY> Anyone any experience with Grub2?
[20:47] <X^rAY> A bit stuck with Grub2 on Karmic
[20:47] <coz_> X^rAY,  not much at this point   although for more info you could go to #grub channel :)
[20:47] <coz_> X^rAY,  what are you stuck with?
[20:47] <X^rAY> Good thinking coz! :)
[20:47] <BluesKaj> dunno how much editing xorg is with the UXA now being the default
[20:48] <BluesKaj> good
[20:48] <X^rAY> Well, just tried to install Gentoo on a separate partition
[20:48] <BluesKaj> !grub2
[20:48] <coz_> X^rAY,   did you run  sudo update-grub  ?
[20:49] <X^rAY> coz: yep, and when I do that, it displays the Gentoo partition, but it never makes it into grub.cfg
[20:49] <coz_> X^rAY, mm  ok then  definilty go to #grub channel :)
[20:49] <X^rAY> coz: Sound, cheers!
[20:49] <X^rAY> Take it easy all!
[20:49] <jlilly> hey guys. xorg is hovering at around 100% cpu usage. The only non-default I have is I'm using xmonad as my windowmanager. Any thoughts?
[20:49] <robin0800> X^rAY: did you edit /etc/default/grub
[20:50] <jlilly> (previous attempts to revert back to metacity or compiz haven't yielded a solution)
[20:52] <Brian_> ok coz_  or BluesKaj i need help i just did all that and now i cant login to my computer
[20:53] <Brian_> parse error on line 4
[20:54] <mfraz74> what does line 4 say?
[20:56] <Brian_> i add'd this
[20:56] <Brian_> Section "Device"
[20:56] <Brian_>         Identifier    "Configured Video Device"
[20:56] <Brian_>         # ...
[20:56] <Brian_>         Option        "AccelMethod" "uxa"
[20:56] <Brian_> EndSection
[20:56] <Brian_> into xorg.conf and now i cant login
[20:58] <Brian_> i think i just have to del the xorg.conf file i made
[20:58] <Brian_> xorg.conf was empty before i add'd that to it
[20:58] <JDahl> Has anyone here figured out how to install acroread on 64bit?
[20:59] <mfraz74> there needs to be more in xorg.conf than those lines
[20:59] <Brian_> in karmic koala it uses somthing els thats why xorg.conf was empty but i dont know what to do now
[21:00] <Brian_> i cant login it says no such file or dir unable to connect to x server
[21:01] <mfraz74> can you still log in to terminal?
[21:01] <ck773> is there a better irc client for Ubuntu? Empathy doesn't work very well for me.
[21:01] <Ian_Corne> xchat
[21:02] <Frickelpit> Irssi ;)
[21:02] <hacknslash> ck773, pidgin
[21:02] <ck773> matter of taste then :)
[21:02] <BluesKaj> Brian_, are you at a TTY ? if so,  sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf then edit out what you added ...if you need help with graphics we can help . editing xorg doesn't do much anymore
[21:03] <Brian_> BluesKaj:  thanks so much
[21:03] <shiznebit> whats Karmic use in place of xorg.conf
[21:04] <Brian_> ya im just trying to get gnome-do docky to not lag when i hover the mouse over it
[21:04] <wirechief> X -config
[21:04] <BluesKaj> brian , ctrl + o saves your edit , ctrl + X , exits from the file , the do a startx
[21:04] <BluesKaj> then
[21:04] <joaopinto> shiznebit, it automatically detects your devices, if you need you can still create a xorg.conf, it will be used
[21:05] <Brian_> joaopinto: i just did and it wouldnt let me login
[21:05] <shiznebit> joaopinto, is it true that Xserver isn't root anymore
[21:06] <shiznebit> or did i miss read something
[21:06] <joaopinto> shiznebit, no it is not true
[21:12] <gogeta> hey
[21:17] <arand> When an application crashes, is the CoreDump really supposed to contain a partial listing of the contents of your home dir!?
[21:19] <guntbert> arand: that depends entirely on the app
[21:21] <ransom> hey everyone.  I am having a problem loading Karmic from a USB on my Eee PC 701.  xstart will fire up just fine, but when it comes time for GDM to start all I get is a blinking mouse cursor and an otherwise black screen.  Has anyone else had/heard of this problem?
[21:21] <arand> guntbert: I just reported a bug about brasero and it's spilling far to much beans in that crashdump, should this be reported against apport or brasero?
[21:22] <jetienne> !info python-django
[21:23] <guntbert> arand: no idea about what brasero would "need to know" - but apport only takes what is already there in the dump - I *think* - I'd report against brasero first
[21:26] <arand> guntbert: hmm, yea, gonna ask in -bugs as well... I mean, listing contents of .quakelive, that's really something wronggoing there...
[21:28] <guntbert> arand: the listing cannot be prevented once the content is in brasero's memory - the question should be: "does it need that...?"
[21:30] <duffydack> with my sx400 all in one, xsane wont detect scanner unless I run with gksudo/sudo.
[21:31] <Hukka> Hmh
[21:31] <Hukka> How does one compile custom kernel in ubuntu?
[21:31] <duffydack> thats actually the case with 9.04 too,  but the "iscan" software from epson works...
[21:31] <Hukka> Not make-kpkg as in Debian?
[21:31] <coz_> anything on software-center  ...I keep getting  ImportError: /usr/lib/libwebkit-1.0.so.2: file too short
[21:31] <Hukka> The resulting deb seemed to install fine, but the kernel can't boot. Instead it drops into busybox
[21:32] <mfraz74> coz_: i'm not getting that here
[21:32] <Hukka> Says it can't find init, so maybe something wrong in initramfs or mounting root
[21:32] <guntbert> !kernel | Hukka
[21:32] <BUGabundo> g'nuit guys
[21:34] <guntbert> BUGabundo: its getting late around here too :)
[21:34] <Hukka> guntbert: As far as I can see, the page says I should do what I did
[21:35] <Hukka> With the small exception that I use INITRD in environment, not in commandline
[21:36] <guntbert> Hukka: PUEL never comes packed with a distro (as far as I know), you'd have to add an extra software source for it
[21:36] <Hukka> guntbert: PUEL?
[21:37] <rob0> Probably means the wrong rootfs given as root= to the kernel.
[21:37] <guntbert> Hukka: soory - wrong window - please ignore
[21:37] <Hukka> So, anyway. I don't quite remember was init supposed to be run before or after pivot-root
[21:38] <Hukka> Depending on that either the created initramfs is missing the init binary, or for some reason doesn't pivot
[21:38] <Hukka> Ah, now I got it
[21:38] <Hukka> There's a message "EXT4-fs: sda2: not marked OK to use with test code"
[21:39]  * Hukka goes googling
[21:39] <DanaG> weird... that message only exists in old kernels, back from when ext4 was called ext4dev.
[21:40] <Hukka> DanaG: This is an older kernel, 2.6.27
[21:40] <Hukka> I'm testing if a problem I have is a regression
[21:40] <DanaG> ah.
[21:40] <DanaG> ah yeah, you need to tune2fs -o test_fs /dev/sda2
[21:40] <DanaG> ... and each time you boot a newer kernel, it will reset that flag.
[21:40] <Hukka> -E, but yeah :)
[21:40] <DanaG> er, yeah, E.  whatever.
[21:40] <DanaG> =þ
[21:41] <ElijahCMenifee> The funiest kernel message I ever saw was 'I cant find root and I want to Scream!', not sure who put that in their, or how many kernel releases it was there before it got changed back to a normal unable to find root.
[21:41] <Hukka> Hmh, I have to run a bootchart, I think. Startup has gone way up since the pristine installation of only server minimals
[21:44] <Hukka> I wish fsck would be configured to give more feedback
[21:45] <Hukka> Now if the splash drops into fsck, you only see that a check is forced but will have no clue on how long it will take
[21:46] <russlar> Hukka: yeah, there is a flag for fsck that will print a progress bar
[21:47] <russlar> Hukka: I've no idea how to force the automated fsck to run with it
[21:47] <DanaG> "after installin" -- truncated topic.
[21:47] <dtchen> your client stinks ;)
[21:47] <dtchen>           currently causing VirtualBox images to fail to reboot after
[21:47] <dtchen>           installing update
[21:47] <ElijahCMenifee> what is the command to determine the UUID of a partion?
[21:48] <russlar> tune2fs -l will tell you
[21:48] <Hukka> russlar: It did that in debian, I think also used to in ubuntu presplash days
[21:48] <Hukka> Detoriates from the boot experience quite a lot... "Is it stuck, did it crash?"
[21:49] <Hukka> I know that fscking 1.5 teras takes time, but I think normal users don't. Nor what is fsck
[21:49] <russlar> Hukka: someone on here earlier had that exact issue
[21:50] <russlar> Hukka: I got them to boot to a cd and fsck, and they were much happier
[21:53] <ElijahCMenifee> there was a reason i switched to xfs, extreamly fast disk checks and very good online grow support in lvm (hopping ext4 is now decent in these areas...still testing)
[21:53] <Hukka> Hmh, it doesn't seem to break with ctrl-c. That's bad
[21:54] <russlar> try ctrl+d
[21:54] <Hukka> Nope
[21:54] <Hukka> Unless there's a lag
[21:55] <Volkodav> anybody uses exaile here ? Looks like minimal view is gone ( vs Jaunty ) and OSD colors do not switch correct
[22:05] <Moopwax> Whenever I close my laptop ubuntu freezes up, I know that there was a fix for this for 9.04 but I can't find it, or any mention of it now.
[22:05] <Moopwax> Any ideas?
[22:05] <BluesKaj> powernowd
[22:05] <Moopwax> Thanks
[22:06] <timber> i reported a bug, the developers released a package that fixed it, but in my computer the bug still happening....how can i solve this?
[22:06] <dtchen> reopen the bug
[22:07] <timber> dtchen: i posted a message on launchpad...and you are the developer that released the bug
[22:07] <dtchen> timber: which bug?
[22:07] <timber> dtchen: released the package..sorry...the bug is 447602
[22:07] <dtchen> bug 447602
[22:08] <ElijahCMenifee> LOL, think any developer is going to claim to have released a bug? Bug fixes maybee, new versions that may include uninted bugs, but actually release a bug?
[22:08] <dtchen> timber: are you still using power_save in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ?
[22:08] <timber> ElijahCMenifee: i said sorry
[22:08] <dtchen> timber: if so, remove both parameters, reboot, and see if the symptom is reproducible
[22:09] <timber> # Power down HDA controllers after 10 idle seconds
[22:09] <timber> options snd-hda-intel power_save=10 power_save_controller=N
[22:09] <timber> is this?
[22:09] <dtchen> timber: yes
[22:10] <dtchen> timber: you could just comment out the line entirely
[22:10] <timber> dtchen: ok...now i'll restart
[22:10] <timber> dtchen: thanks
[22:11] <CrocoJet> apport is working a lot in 9.10 !
[22:14] <Moopwax1> So, I installed powernowd and it still has the same issue.
[22:15] <timber> dtchen: it worked...thank you very much...and sorry for taking your time
[22:15] <vak> are there any means to rollback a killing update?
[22:15] <vak> (hi all)
[22:15] <hsarci> will karmic beta users be able to upgade to the final verison once its released?
[22:15] <rsk> hsarci: yes
[22:16] <rob0> Huh? I heard that beta users would be forbidden to do so. ;)
[22:18] <Hukka> *snif* Launchpad doesn't want my reports. "Something went wrong"
[22:18] <BUGabundo> Hukka: press refresh
[22:18] <duffydack> submit a bug about launchpad
[22:18] <Hukka> BUGabundo: Yeah, it's refreshing still
[22:18] <Hukka> duffydack: :)
[22:20] <vak> no way to restore a state of the last update?
[22:21] <wild_oscar> hi there!
[22:21] <wild_oscar> is there anyone else having issues with nfs-kernel-server?
[22:21] <wild_oscar> the service is hanging at  "Starting NFS kernel daemon"
[22:22] <ElijahCMenifee> vak, with a lot of black magic, voodo, and cmd line snickery, you probably could but would need to boot in a Live-CD to have a valid running envrionment to do some apt-get removes and installs with specific packages to replace the stuff not offically supported see !downgrade
[22:22] <ElijahCMenifee> !downgrade
[22:23] <vak> ElijahCMenifee: OK. I know the only feature that is missing since years in Ubuntu.
[22:23] <BluesKaj> wild_oscar, there's a bug with nfs mounting , I dumped it and went with ssh instead
[22:23] <Hukka> Speaking of launchpad, should I be able to comment on a bug by replying via mail?
[22:23] <ElijahCMenifee> it would require looking in the logs in a chrooted mounteed broken system to figure out which packages to manually remove and find the older deb packaged to install
[22:24] <Hukka> I got a notification of a new comment to my inbox, and simply replied to that (seemed to have a reply-to address to the bug), but still can't see the bug updated
[22:25] <wild_oscar> BluesKaj: since when, do you know?
[22:25] <timber> is there a way to make default the wireless button off on startup? in my computer every time i start the computer, the wireless button appears active
[22:25] <wild_oscar> because I can't swear, but I believe I had it working today...
[22:25] <ElijahCMenifee> vak, by the way it appears that the virtualbox updates may have been fixed (at least for 64 bit mode) and a vbox is a good place to play/practice doing a downgrade since you can snapshot/backup before each try...
[22:26] <BluesKaj> wild_oscar,that was a couple of weeks ago, it could be solved now , check launchpad
[22:27] <vak> ElijahCMenifee: thanks for hint.
[22:28] <ElijahCMenifee> vak, the other option for a live system (assuming in place before the install) is lvm-snapshot or ZFS iscsi install so you can have backedup snapshots of a valid running system.
[22:30] <timber> does anyone knows if is there a way to make default the wireless button off on startup? in my computer every time i start the computer, the wireless button appears active
[22:30] <ElijahCMenifee> vak, Also if you know which set of packages broke the system please remember to report the bug
[22:30] <ElijahCMenifee> !bug
[22:32] <vak> ElijahCMenifee: i've reported. But for me it is quite strange that I can't make something like:
[22:32] <vak> apt-get save-status
[22:33] <vak> and than if problem happens after the upgrade:
[22:33] <vak> apt-get restore-status
[22:33] <Hukka> Waiting for ZFS/btrfs
[22:34] <Hukka> vak: It's not quite trivial, but hopefully we won't have to wait long
[22:34] <ElijahCMenifee> vak, that would be a nice feature, you could get a lot of that power by doing a dpkg -l before and after to a file and doing a diff to get the packaged to downgrade...
[22:36] <panfist> what kernel version is in karmic?
[22:36] <Hukka> panfist: .31
[22:36] <panfist> i'm thinking of trying it
[22:36] <ElijahCMenifee> Hukka, off topic but no need to wait on ZFS OpenSolaris 2009.06 is quite nice for a file/NAS/samba server, still working on getting my karmic vbox to use OpenDS ldap for automount and user auth from my ZFS server...
[22:37] <Hukka> ElijahCMenifee: Yeah, ot, in my opinion all the work I've had to do with OpenSolaris has been a huge PITA
[22:37] <Hukka> ElijahCMenifee: Works as a file server, and nothing else
[22:37] <Hukka> But let's leave it at that :)
[22:38] <ElijahCMenifee> Hukka, yeah it is much more difficult (or at least different from a linux prospective) but not sure what type of ZFS support we will see in linux with Linus's view on sepperation of volume management from fs layering....
[22:39] <ElijahCMenifee> And I only use it as a file/NAS server
[22:39] <Hukka> ElijahCMenifee: I was actually very surprised on what they are going to include in btrfs, given those exact remark on separation of tasks
[22:40] <vak> ElijahCMenifee: I do understand it's not that easy to restore the system state 100% bu the state of the package versioning should be quite doable and routing work
[22:40] <Hukka> And no, I don't think we'll see ZFS in linux kernel, but btrfs seems to be progressing surprisingly fast compared to other filesystems
[22:41] <panfist> is it possible to upgrade to karmic from jaunty or do i have to reinstall from scratch?
[22:41] <amon_> vak: can't you simply write a shell script to do that
[22:41] <ElijahCMenifee> Yeah, me too btrfs looks nice.  Of course a clean room implementation of kernel ZFS is unlikly with btrfs progressing and licensing issues.
[22:41] <panfist> also, once in the karmic beta, do you have to reinstall once the full release is available?
[22:41] <timber> somebody could tell me how to disable the wireless button on startup?
[22:41] <vak> amon_: 5 years ago I'd immediately try to ;)
[22:42] <ElijahCMenifee> panfist, no as long as an apt-get update/upgrade does not baddly break the system before the final release/
[22:43] <Hukka> panfist: Upgrade from Jaunty will be explicitly supported, as for many users a complete reinstall is not feasible
[22:43] <ElijahCMenifee> !upgrade
[22:44] <Hukka> ElijahCMenifee: One thing a friend mentioned could be the progress of zfs in freebsd and use debian with their kernel
[22:44] <Hukka> Of course, that gets you into the same muddy territory as with Nexenta
[22:44] <Hukka> But at least kfreebsd is a supported platform in the next Debian release
[22:45] <Hukka> Wow, the fsck finally got through... Now I can set that ext4 parameter and boot again...
[22:45] <ElijahCMenifee> Hukka, yeah but opensolaris already has a lot of gnu tools, and the kernel is still a big differnce (in some ways the OpenSolaris has the nicest kernel design but least support for hardward and freebsd is kinda inbetween on kernel design/driver support.
[22:46] <BluesKaj> !upgrade manager | panfist
[22:47] <aleon> Hello, How can i achieve same effect as init 3 in upstart?
[22:48] <BluesKaj> !update manager
[22:48] <BluesKaj> hmm
[22:49] <ElijahCMenifee> !update | BluesKaj
[22:50] <BluesKaj> !upgrade | panfist
[22:50] <BluesKaj> :)
[22:51] <Hukka> Hm, running in .27, I get "unknown filesystem type ext4" when trying to mount my partitions
[22:51] <Hukka> However root is also ext4 and it was able to mount that...
[22:52] <kklimonda> it's possible to make an ext4 partition that is still compatible with ext3 (and mountable as ext3)
[22:54] <Heikki123> true
[22:56] <Hukka> Well, it seems that the kernel was happy when I ordered the mount as ext4dev
[22:56] <agent538> is there somebody that can help me
[22:57] <Hukka> agent538: Only God can help
[22:57] <agent538> if you get a key to import in synaptic as wath must you save de key ?
[22:57] <ElijahCMenifee> agent538, depends on what you need help with...
[22:57] <Hukka> *krhm* Excuse me, don't know what got into me
[22:59] <Hukka> *sigh* Doesn't work even with an older kernel. Damn nVidia.
[23:00] <wild_oscar> are services still controlled by sysv-rc-conf ?
[23:00] <wild_oscar> services startup, that is
[23:00] <ElijahCMenifee> agent538, No experienced with importing keys via synaptic however, once it has been imported it should go on the key-ring for apt so original file should no longer be referenced
[23:01] <ElijahCMenifee> agent538, What repo are you adding that has additional signing keys?
[23:03] <steven_> With the Ubuntu Software Center is there any need still for the Synaptic Package Manager?
[23:03] <xmnt> I booted up into a new install of beta and just get a black screen - checked X11 and I have no xorg.conf
[23:03] <xmnt> not sure how to get my X running
[23:03] <agent538> xbmc \
[23:03] <agent538> ad
[23:03] <Heikki123> adhd
[23:04] <xmnt> anyone?
[23:06] <Hukka> xmnt: Xorg has been using dynamic configuration for quite a while. IT's only overridden by a static file
[23:06] <ElijahCMenifee> xmnt, take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log xorg.conf is no longer requried unless you are using nvidia and nvidia-settings to configure
[23:06] <Hukka> xmnt: Did you check logs too and are you sure beta is the right choice for you?
[23:07] <xmnt> we'll I'm trying it out in a vm
[23:07] <xmnt> so i'm not too worried about it not working
[23:08] <ElijahCMenifee> what vm are you using? virtualbox,vmware,xen,kvm,other?
[23:08] <xmnt> would like to get it working but I don't mess to much w/ xorg - it's always worked fine for me (nvidia)
[23:08] <ElijahCMenifee> nvidia stuff wont work inside a vm...
[23:08] <Hukka> xmnt: Under a vm it doesn't use hw drivers, but vm related ones
[23:09] <xmnt> o.k., so what would be the reason i get a blank screen in vm?
[23:09] <Hukka> Check the logs
[23:09] <ElijahCMenifee> xmnt, also what vm are you using it inside of?
[23:10] <xmnt> ElijahCMenifee, virtualbox running inside of debian
[23:11] <ElijahCMenifee> xmnt check the virtualbox video memory amount, I set mine to 32MB I also enabled 3d acceleration (although I have not gotten arround to adding the guest additions
[23:12] <ElijahCMenifee> xmnt, also check that your host nvidia x is set to 24bit color(that may or may not help...)
[23:16] <shawn_> Does Microsoft Office 2007 no longer run in Karmic?
[23:16] <ElijahCMenifee> shawn_, uhh wrong os for MS stuff ;->
[23:17] <shawn_> ElijahCMenifee Crossover
[23:17] <Lunis> i just need to get grub reinstalled from this 9.10 beta livecd, but i can't seem to make any combination of grub-setup or grub-install to make that happen successfully
[23:18] <td123> shawn_: oo.o not working out for you? :)
[23:18] <shawn_> td123 I just installed it with crossover but it doesnt give me a Windows application in start like it did on Jaunty
[23:19] <shawn_> In Applications tab
[23:19] <td123> shawn_: go find it manually
[23:19] <shawn_> Where does it install?
[23:19] <td123> shawn_: just because the shortcut isn't there doesn't mean it dne :)
[23:19] <td123> shawn_: check .wine/
[23:19] <td123> ~/.wine/
[23:20] <td123> and just follow the path to where it would be installed
[23:20] <ElijahCMenifee> does crossover use the .wine dir also?
[23:20] <td123> oh, I dunno
[23:20] <td123> never used crossover
[23:21] <ElijahCMenifee> my firstguess (although i am not running crossover) would be .crossover or .wine-x or .wine-co ....
[23:21] <td123> shawn_: you might want to file a bug report if it used to add the icon and now it doesn't
[23:21] <shawn_> Would they be in home?
[23:21] <shawn_> td123 Yeah it did used to it used to add a bar under applications called "Windows applications"
[23:21] <ElijahCMenifee> shawn_, yes in your home dir do a ls -a to see all the DOT dirs
[23:22] <Royall> Is 9.10 save to use yet? My computer can't seem to handle any more .04
[23:22] <shawn_> .cxoffice?
[23:22] <ElijahCMenifee> shawn_, that would be a good place to start
[23:22] <td123> Royall: wait for it to come out if you're worried about safety
[23:22] <Royall> compiz is dead, deluge is dying, firefox is long gone
[23:23] <td123> Royall: what are you talking about?
[23:23] <td123> compiz is alive, dunno about deluge, and firefox is only gone in steve job's dreams
[23:24] <Royall> My compiz is no longer working at all. My Deluge client is slow with its >1000 torrents. Firefox.. I have two different versions of the newer releases, Shiretoko and that other one
[23:24] <Royall> I meant on my own computer
[23:24] <Lunis> both of you == fail
[23:24] <shawn_> ElijahCMenifee, Cant seem to find an actual starting file here... Would it be a windows .exe?
[23:24] <Lunis> delete some friggin torrents
[23:24] <Royall> hrm
[23:25] <td123> Lunis: how do i fail?
[23:25] <Lunis> for not paying attention to his prevous posts ;P
[23:25] <ElijahCMenifee> shawn_, yeah but you need to figure out the crossover wine command to launch the exe, or look for a shortcut file to launch it
[23:26] <shawn_> ElijahCMenifee, Cant seem to find one X_X
[23:26] <ElijahCMenifee> shawn_, try doing `cxoffice nameofwinfile.exe`
[23:26] <Royall> Okay, removing about 500 torrents :P
[23:26] <td123> Lunis: I don't watch this channel constantly...
[23:26] <td123> Royall: btw, why would you have 1000+ torrents running if you don't even have the bandwidth for them
[23:27] <Royall> I probably do
[23:27] <Royall> It's just slow from all the torrents
[23:27] <td123> Royall: no you don't
[23:27] <Lunis> td123: you were active just before and after his first posts, but regardless, i'm mostly just teasing
[23:27] <td123> oh
[23:27] <Royall> td123: I upload torrents, so I have to keep torrents seeded
[23:27] <td123> Royall: ya but 1000+ running torrents is just stupid
[23:27] <Lunis> uploading 1000 torrents at half a kb each is useless
[23:28] <shawn_> ElijahCMenifee, Found The EXCEL one but no others X_X
[23:28] <Royall> Not when you're uploading ebooks
[23:28] <td123> Royall: still dumb
[23:29] <ElijahCMenifee> shawn_, you might want to join #crossover to get help with command line based launching since it did not create launch icons, people in that channel would probably know more about crossover specific stuff and MS Office 2007
[23:29] <Lunis> 500kb files at .5kb a second == 10 minutes to download half a meg, assuming bandwidth is getting evenly rationed, and there is no more than one leech per torrent
[23:30] <Lunis> versus the 2 minutes it would take to download it from some filesharing site found on google :/
[23:32] <cwillu_at_work> Can somebody assist me with a cron/anacron problem?  Something seems to have gone wonky recently, where my daily cron jobs all start at 8am instead of 4am, despite the usual crontab entries being correct
[23:32] <td123> are ati drivers in 9.10 excellent?
[23:32] <ElijahCMenifee> Lunis, it is unlikly that all 1000+ torrents are going at the same time....probaly has connection count limits however that is a lot of cpu/memory processing for the computer to use  to maintin the list of torrents...
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> current update wants to remove rtkit..
[23:33] <ElijahCMenifee> Ian_Corne, only for a dist-upgrade...
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> yeah
[23:34] <Ian_Corne> i usually go with that
[23:34] <Ian_Corne> unless it wants to remove something
[23:34] <Ian_Corne> once i forgot and grub-pc was removed :p
[23:35] <ElijahCMenifee> Ian_Corne, my auto upgrade is set to only apply upgrade and message me if anything is ever held back so I can manually review...Are you using rtkit for anything ;-)
[23:36] <ElijahCMenifee> !rtkit
[23:36] <Ian_Corne> ElijahCMenifee: no
[23:36] <Ian_Corne> not yet
[23:36] <Ian_Corne> isn't it a daemon that runs to check for rootkits?
[23:37] <ElijahCMenifee> My vbox system still appears stable with a dist-upgrade
[23:37] <Lunis> no
[23:37] <Lunis> it's the "RealTimeKIT"
[23:37] <Ian_Corne> aha :p
[23:37] <Ian_Corne> and what does that do?
[23:37] <cwillu_at_work> !info rtkit
[23:38] <Ian_Corne> wonder what uses iit
[23:38] <ElijahCMenifee> nothing now ....
[23:38] <ElijahCMenifee> at least not on my system.
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> $ apt-cache rdepends rtkit
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> rtkit
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> Reverse Depends:
[23:39] <Ian_Corne>   pulseaudio
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> that can't be good :p
[23:39] <Lunis> bah. anyone know how to use the new grub's tools to reisntall grub? >.>
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> grub-install?
[23:39] <cwillu_at_work> Ian_Corne, pulseaudio isn't configured to use realtime by default, that's probably a corrected dependency to reflect that
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> cwillu_at_work: ok
[23:39] <ElijahCMenifee> on my system the dist-upgrade installed new pulse-audio and reverse depend no longer lists pulse-audio
[23:40] <Lunis> how about a more specific command? no matter how i run grub-install it always fails >.<
[23:40] <cwillu_at_work> Lunis, how about a more specific question?  :p
[23:40] <Lunis> fair enough
[23:40] <Ian_Corne> i think he needs to reinstall grub into the mbr
[23:41] <Lunis> i'm running a livecd, had to reinstall XP, XP's bootloader has taken over. I need to reinstall grub to the MBR and point it to my current grub installation from the livecd
[23:41] <cwillu_at_work> have you chrooted to the current install from the livecd?
[23:41] <cwillu_at_work> (including the proc and sys dirs?)
[23:42] <Lunis> no, but only because i'm not sure what the correct process for chrooting properly is
[23:42] <Ian_Corne> do you need to chroot to install a grub bootloader?
[23:42] <Lunis> plus i wasn't sure if chrooting was the way to do it, since in grub1 it wasn't neccesary
[23:42] <ElijahCMenifee> cwillu_at_work, thats what I forgot last time...proc...no wonder I had no more luck then lunisw
[23:43] <cwillu_at_work> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt (or whichever); mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev; mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc; mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys; chroot /mnt
[23:43] <Ian_Corne>  /proc and /dev/
[23:43] <Ian_Corne>  /sys too?
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> might as well :p
[23:43] <cwillu_at_work> can't hurt, and I can see stuff breaking if sys isn't there
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> but why do you need to chroot in order to install grub?
[23:44] <ElijahCMenifee> grub2 appears to work differently....
[23:44] <cwillu_at_work> Ian_Corne, you don't, but if you want the easy-to-use tool to work, it needs to find things in the right place
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> lets see if i can install plugins to eclipse yet :)
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> oh right
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> like put the /etc/default/grub stuf
[23:44] <cwillu_at_work> Ian_Corne, I _think_ you can just mount, and then tell grub-install where you're mounted, and where it's _really_ mounted, but I just don't know off-hand :p
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> !timeleft
[23:45] <Ian_Corne> anyone know a list of commands? :D
[23:45] <cwillu_at_work> !ubottu
[23:45] <Ian_Corne> 10 days :)
[23:45] <cwillu_at_work> ubottu, favorite is spelled "favourite"
[23:45] <cwillu_at_work> <3
[23:46] <cwillu_at_work> forgot that was the syntax to send factoid edits to -ops :p
[23:46] <Lunis> alrighty gents, let's see if it worked D:
[23:47] <thiebaude> what is eclipse?
[23:48] <cwillu_at_work> java editor, mainly
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> well, it's an IDE for alot of stuff
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> there's probably even people using it to run tomcat servers from :p
[23:49] <cwillu_at_work> ... it's a java editor with plugins for other languages that are generally immature :p
[23:50] <Ian_Corne> it has a C++ plugin :p
[23:51] <Ian_Corne> I think it has a plugin for just about any language probably
[23:51] <Ian_Corne> did it work Lunis
[23:51] <Lunis> well then... grub's good to go, but now XP x64 crashes mid-boot, but only after putting grub back in the MBR
[23:51] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[23:51] <Ian_Corne> brr xp 64
[23:52] <Lunis> o.O?
[23:52] <Ian_Corne> i think update manager just crashed :p
[23:53] <cwillu_at_work> Ian_Corne, -> mvo, when he's around
[23:53] <Ian_Corne> don't have any logs
[23:53] <Ian_Corne> or anything
[23:53] <cwillu_at_work> sweet, 2.6.29 will still boot karmic
[23:54] <paul1> need help with reinstalling grub in ubuntu 9.10... i get error 15 when i try to reinstall it
[23:54]  * cwillu_at_work does 2.6.29 testing with a bunch of serial adapters
[23:54] <cwillu_at_work> heh, touchpad doesn't work though
[23:54] <Ian_Corne> ouch
[23:55] <Ian_Corne> why the older kernel cwillu_at_work ¿
[23:55] <Ian_Corne> wtf how did i typo the ? upside down
[23:55] <Lunis> is it possible for a touchpad to not be multi-finger capable?
[23:56] <cwillu_at_work> Lunis, yes
[23:56] <Lunis> bummer
[23:56] <Lunis> got used to multi-finger on my previous laptop
[23:56] <DanaG> Yeah.
[23:56] <cwillu_at_work> Ian_Corne, troubleshooting the kernel driver for some usb serial adapters, and the problem report is originally on a 2.6.29 kernel
[23:56] <DanaG> It sucks.... Synaptics now DISABLES multi-finger features if the OEM doesn't pay for them.
[23:57] <Lunis> disables, you say?
[23:57] <DanaG> It sucks... I have a P3-Celeron-based laptop that can do multi-finger... yet my Core 2 Duo one can't?
[23:57] <paul1> anyone help plx
[23:57] <paul1> need help with reinstalling grub in ubuntu 9.10... i get error 15 when i try to reinstall it
[23:57] <DanaG> Yeah, there's some kind of firmware that makes it not support or report multiple fingers.
[23:57] <Lunis> sounds like a job for some bored hackers
[23:58] <DanaG> I'd even pay Synaptics themselves, if they gave me the option, to get back my danged multi-finger features.
[23:58] <Lunis> yeah for serious
[23:58] <Lunis> :<
[23:59]  * cwillu_at_work two finger scrolls in front of DanaG
[23:59]  * DanaG currently uses fake-two-finger.