[00:00] <j1mc> is it possible to test the live cd via kvm/qemu?
[00:00] <charlie-tca> Got to apply the limited resources and manpower available to get the release out
[00:00] <j1mc> or do you need virtualbox or something?
[00:00] <charlie-tca> j1mc: to the best of my knowledge, yes, as long it is not Ubuntu
[00:01] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu requires 3d, so it is more limited
[00:01] <j1mc> thanks, charlie-tca
[01:08] <charlie-tca> ochosi: or did I forget a conversation about the hidden panel, and I will put it in the release notes that we did that?
[01:08] <charlie-tca> I really like the way it looks, with that hidden
[01:09] <charlie-tca> cpu graph in the top panel has background to match the panel, it looks like white dotted lines going across
[01:13] <charlie-tca> ochosi: screenshot of top panel with cpu graph in natty alpha2 installed - http://imagebin.org/135682
[01:15] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, ochosi : are we really using the gnome quit thing now? Where is our quit button?
[01:16] <charlie-tca> I hate that timer thing in Ubuntu, and I don't want it in Xubuntu, please
[01:16] <charlie-tca> I don't need a timer to count or an extra screen asking if I am sure.  If so, I strongly disagree since Xubuntu doesn't do the best job waiting for things like gedit to ask you if you want to save your work.
[01:20] <charlie-tca> We do need to copy Ubuntu on the panels, or on the shutdown process.
[01:20] <charlie-tca> yes, cody-somerville
[01:20] <cody-somerville> Also, clicking it by mistake is a pain
[01:20] <charlie-tca> natty alpha2 has it exactly as Ubuntu Lucid had it. Name instead of button, count down timer waiting to verify
[01:21] <cody-somerville> ah, I think I understand what you mean now.
[01:21] <charlie-tca> You already had the button, click shutdown, got a screen with 5 buttons in it, pick one
[01:21]  * cody-somerville nods.
[01:21] <cody-somerville> Yea, I agree with you :)
[01:21] <charlie-tca> I am not following Ubuntu nonsense on it
[01:21] <cody-somerville> +1
[01:21] <cody-somerville> we're not planning to put the cpu graph in the panel though are we?
[01:21] <charlie-tca> 0.
[01:22] <charlie-tca> IT is there now. Ochosi is making changes without discussion, sometimes, I think
[01:22] <charlie-tca> I actually thought it was the network trying to connect
[01:23] <charlie-tca> and, I don't really need my name in the panel. I know who I am
[01:24] <cody-somerville> There is no real good way to know who you're logged in as though
[01:24] <cody-somerville> what else does the name thing do?
[01:24] <charlie-tca> by the way. Gedit won't let natty shutdown if it is open
[01:24] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, It appears that it was mr_pouit who added the cpugraph.
[01:24] <charlie-tca> It has the "suspend, hibernate, restart, shutdown"
[01:25] <charlie-tca> I don't really know what is there. I was kind of pissed to see it
[01:26] <cody-somerville> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/246
[01:26] <charlie-tca> well, if the graph is there, it needs the background changed to not be transparent
[01:27] <charlie-tca> When the cpu is 0%, it doesn't show at all
[01:27] <cody-somerville> It should probably just be removed from the default.
[01:27] <cody-somerville> CPU monitor doesn't really fit the general use case
[01:28] <cody-somerville> and will cause polling so will eat up battery and cpu
[01:28] <charlie-tca> true. It might be a "let's see how it works" thing, though
[01:29] <charlie-tca> I have walked away and left the computer sitting on several times because of the button in Ubuntu now.
[06:49] <mr_pouit> it's not the ubuntu shutdown menu, it's the plugin from xfce4-session
[06:50] <mr_pouit> and I added cpugraph because it was in the panel layout proposed by ochosi, which was freely available on the shimmer wiki since the beginning, and the link has been given on the ml several times as well.
[06:55] <mr_pouit> so it was easy to say it if you did not agree with it, instead of following cody is his "oh noes they do changes behind my back" thing
[06:55] <cody-somerville> I think you misinterpret my tone. I was similar telling charlie-tca who made the change :P
[06:56] <cody-somerville> s/similar/simply
[14:04] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: don't believe I did anything like "they do chages behind my back". I even came back on the hidden panel to ask if we talked about it.
[14:05] <charlie-tca> However, shimmer is a separate project from Xubuntu. I don't go to the mozilla site to see what they did either
[14:06] <charlie-tca> Why did my installation keep the old shutdown action if this is the new behavior for Xfce?
[14:07] <charlie-tca> Are you telling me if someone does a new installation on one system and an upgrade on the other, they get two different gui's now
[14:11] <knome> charlie-tca, if you think any kind of cooperation between two projects (including looking at the other projects' website) is impossiable, i think we have to stop contributing then
[14:12] <charlie-tca> knome: I did not say that. Please don't start changing my words again
[14:15] <knome> no, seriously, i think it is childish from you to say you won't check what mozilla did either. you know very well we're working on the panel stuff. you could have asked what changes we made. it is not nice to say from you to cody (who still seems to have a strong place in the project saying what should be changed) that somebody is changing stuff behind your back. because that was exactly what i think it was.
[14:15] <knome> if it was not "behind my back", then i do have to say i think it's too much constant micromanagement.
[14:16] <charlie-tca> knome: do you even know what you are talking about? I have been running greybird for over a month. I should have seen any changes to it
[14:16] <charlie-tca> As to what sights to check, I do not check any of the upstream sites of applications for changes. Shimmer is not a Xubuntu project site. You told me that,.
[14:17] <knome> yes. i know you're talking about changes you didn't see, but this also relates to the conversation earlier.
[14:17] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville has more place in this project than you do, so don't start that again, either
[14:18] <knome> excuse me?
[14:18] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville has more place in this project than you do, so don't start that again, either
[14:19] <cody-somerville> It seems like things are getting a little heated. I think we all have good intentions so lets take a deep breath. :)
[14:22] <charlie-tca> You are right, of course.
[14:22] <charlie-tca> thank you
[14:31] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: what "old shutdown action"?
[14:32] <mr_pouit> and anyway, it has always been like that, we don't force any change to upgraded systems
[14:32] <charlie-tca> My upgraded installation has the shutdown button, no name, and when clicked, gives me the 5-box window
[14:33] <mr_pouit> yeah, that's normal
[14:33] <charlie-tca> The new alpha2 gives me a name in the panel, click shutdown under that name, it gives me a 30-second countdown timer
[14:33] <mr_pouit> they are two different plugins
[14:33] <charlie-tca> That's my point. They are very different
[14:33] <charlie-tca> Will they become the same one at some point before release?
[14:33] <mr_pouit> no
[14:34] <charlie-tca> Okay, will we put the old one back in instead of the timer thing?
[14:35] <charlie-tca> Oh, maybe you already ansered that, if they won't become the same...
[14:36] <charlie-tca> I really do not like the timer, in case I did not say that.
[14:36] <mr_pouit> we can discuss about that on the ml or during a meeting. You're the leader anyway, so you can veto and choose to revert even if everyone is to use the new one.
[14:36] <charlie-tca> I told you before I won't do that. If this is a good thing, much as I hate it, I will more deeply look at it
[14:37] <charlie-tca> If that is the future of Xfce, so be it. I do not want us behind the rest, for the sake of what I prefer.
[14:38] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: Have you seen bug 711571?
[14:39] <charlie-tca> gives error and logs out in VBox, gives errors and works in hardware
[14:39] <mr_pouit> yeah, I've already a fix for the misleading error box
[14:40] <charlie-tca> oh, and what do I install to change my upgraded system to that new plugin?
[14:40] <mr_pouit> (not uploaded yet)
[14:40] <mr_pouit> and I reproduced this bug in VBox, but I don't know why it does that
[14:40] <mr_pouit> it seems xfce4-session is killed before it can finish its job
[14:41] <charlie-tca> Will release note it then, to keep users informed
[14:41] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: add the plugin called "Session Menu" to the panel
[14:41] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[14:45] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I will apologize for my tone on finding this thing. I really don't like the timer.
[14:46] <mr_pouit> 15:05  charlie-tca: However, shimmer is a separate project from Xubuntu. I don't go to the mozilla site to see what they did either <<<< just to react about that: the link to the future panel layout was given during a meeting (2011-01-06 I'd say), and hasn't changed since that time...
[14:48] <charlie-tca> then I missed the change. You know I added the new panels from ochosi a while back, and upgraded a couple of times when told it changed
[14:49] <charlie-tca> I didn't see it in the maverick screenshots, either.
[14:49] <charlie-tca> As for the hidden, I caught myself on that one. I don't know if we discussed that, and can use some advice on it
[14:51] <charlie-tca> I seem to have picked up the rest of the changes, just the new "name in the panel" thing I missed.
[14:53] <charlie-tca> and, I apologize if it sounded like I was doing that "behind my back" thing, too. I never intended to come across with that.
[14:53] <charlie-tca> I need to apologize to ochosi for that, too, if that is what is was.
[14:54] <charlie-tca> I thought we were discussing things that will change quite openly, here and in meetings.
[15:54] <ochosi> ok, i missed quite a bit here
[15:56] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i don't really know where to pick up this discussion, but wrt the panels, i always had the feeling that these processes were entirely transparent
[15:56] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i documented all the steps in the wiki and before anything was changed (as you know i myself can't change anything) it was discussed
[15:57] <ochosi> charlie-tca: and it would be nicer not to be accused of "doing stuff behind other peoples backs"
[15:58] <ochosi> charlie-tca: not getting too much into the emotional stuff from before, ihave to say that i have no clue what cody-somerville's role in xubuntu is (and this is not a rhetorical question, it's a real question)
[16:00] <ochosi> charlie-tca: but the apology is accepted of course, no hard feelings
[16:02] <charlie-tca> ochosi: I will have to try harder not to accuse people of "doing stuff behind other peoples backs" myself.
[16:02] <charlie-tca> I think the process is very open. But that doesn't mean I don't forget things, too. I need to be reminded sometimes of what we discuss.
[16:03] <ochosi> sure, no problem with that
[16:03] <ochosi> and if you forget why we went a certain direction we can always talk about it
[16:04] <charlie-tca> yes. I do get frustrated when I see something I greatly dislike, that is a fault of mine.
[16:05] <ochosi> btw, i don't think our cooperation is really comparable with mozilla or any other upstream project
[16:05] <charlie-tca> and why I never saw the name in the panel, I don't know. I looked at a lot of screenshots, and it just never registered in my brain
[16:05] <ochosi> because you simply get what mozilla does, we propose stuff we do to you
[16:05] <ochosi> and everything is up for discussion
[16:06] <charlie-tca> I got asked not to discuss xubuntu in shimmer once before, so I do not think telling me to go there is ever going to work.
[16:06] <ochosi> well, i understand you and knome have your history, i really don't want to get mixed up with that too much
[16:06] <charlie-tca> I do grab the updates, but my quit button never seemed to change
[16:06] <ochosi> i'm always in this channel here as well
[16:07] <charlie-tca> Yeah, there is a reason I don't want to try to discuss stuff there, as you know.
[16:07] <ochosi> and we put all the xubuntu-related stuff in one page, so it's easier to find: http://wiki.knome.fi/xubuntu:start
[16:07] <charlie-tca> I appreciate your discussing here and in meetings. that works
[16:08] <ochosi> np
[16:08] <charlie-tca> And, I really the work you have put into greybird. I still think it is a really good theme!
[16:09] <ochosi> thanks, i'm generally happy with the way we cooperate
[16:11] <charlie-tca> and you see my comment to mr_pouit above... If this is the new direction of Xfce, with the countdown timer, we will use it, as much as I dislike it
[16:11] <ochosi> yeah, i really don't know why they decided to go that way...
[16:13] <charlie-tca> me neither, but I added the session menu to my panel anyway, so I can be in sync there.
[16:13] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i'd really like to know though what cody-somerville's role in xubuntu is
[16:14] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, I'm the former project leader.
[16:14] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville is a former Project Lead, a member of the xubuntu team, and a member of the Xubuntu develpment team
[16:14] <cody-somerville> err
[16:14] <cody-somerville> ochosi, ^^
[16:14] <ochosi> oh, didn't know you were on the team cody-somerville
[16:14] <cody-somerville> I'm also a Ubuntu Core Developer.
[16:14] <ochosi> right
[16:15] <ochosi> so what do you currently do in xubuntu?
[16:15] <ochosi> (apart from stirring up emotions :) )
[16:15] <charlie-tca> I would also welcome inputs from Jani, if he chose to be here, being the original developer of Xubuntu
[16:16] <cody-somerville> So getting caught up on the discussion here...
[16:17] <ochosi> ?
[16:18] <ochosi> cody-somerville: no i meant what you do in the xubuntu project, as in: packaging etc.
[16:18] <charlie-tca> ochosi: adviser to the project lead :-)
[16:18] <ochosi> ah i see
[16:18] <cody-somerville> I personally feel charlie-tca didn't intend the 'doing stuff behind other people's back' in the way it came across. I know charlie-tca assumes good faith.
[16:19] <ochosi> sure, no that's already forgotten
[16:19] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville also does occasional packaging, bug fixing, and testing
[16:19] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: this is not the new "direction" of Xfce: this is only a plugin, made by the (previous) maintainer of xfce4-session. The panel developer would've preferred to have only the actions plugin as before
[16:20] <charlie-tca> oh
[16:20] <charlie-tca> Thank you for the information.
[16:20] <TheSheep> I always have the vague feeling that I'm only seeing scraps and bits of a discussion in here, not a complete conversation. I always lack the context.
[16:20] <ochosi> TheSheep: where can i fill you in?
[16:21] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:21] <TheSheep> ochosi: don't mind me, not worth wasting time, I don't do anything
[16:21] <ochosi> TheSheep: you just did something, i read it :)
[16:22] <TheSheep> ochosi: sorry, I will think more next time
[16:22] <charlie-tca> oh, and maybe I need to add, Not everything is related to being Project Lead. I am also the primary tester of Xubuntu, and comments apply as the testing lead sometimes, not as Project Leader
[16:22] <ochosi> TheSheep: awwh, this channel is so quiet anyways...
[16:22] <ochosi> charlie-tca: not sure if that makes a big difference to me
[16:22] <charlie-tca> okay
[16:23] <ochosi> :)
[16:23] <TheSheep> ochosi: to me it's a good sign: the people are working in accord :P
[16:23] <charlie-tca> I guess perception is 99%, huh?
[16:23] <ochosi> TheSheep: lol
[16:24] <charlie-tca> ochosi: TheSheep is THE person for irc, and moinmoin issues. Also, one of the best helpers we got in #xubuntu
[16:25] <ochosi> charlie-tca: right, i knew he was doing *something*
[16:26] <charlie-tca> I think he solves more issues live than I look at bugs, sometimes
[16:28] <charlie-tca> ochosi: I don't honest questions here. I will not tolerate direct/indirect attacks on anyone, though.
[16:29] <charlie-tca> well, that ain't worded right
[16:30] <charlie-tca> ochosi: I don't mind honest questions here. I or we will do our best to answer them. I will not tolerate direct or indirect attacks on anyone, though.
[16:31]  * cody-somerville gives everyone a big bug.
[16:31] <TheSheep> don't touch me :P
[16:34] <davmor2> TheSheep: Hammertime!
[16:39] <charlie-tca> hm, two days of a busy channel here, what is this coming to? ;-)
[16:44] <davmor2> charlie-tca: see what happens when you take over something cody-somerville can you take the reigns again it was much quieter
[16:44] <charlie-tca> True, true
[16:44] <charlie-tca> but it is kind of nice to see a little bit of activity here, isn't it?
[16:47] <charlie-tca> OMG! I just realized why I haven't been able to find the **(IJKM: shutdown button in my test installs
[16:47]  * charlie-tca thought the "quit button" was just off screen
[16:48] <charlie-tca> the eye sees what the mind thinks is there...
[16:52] <ochosi> charlie-tca: no, i don't plan to attack anyone
[16:53] <TheSheep> boooriiing
[16:54] <ochosi> hehe
[16:54] <ochosi> i like your kind of humour TheSheep
[16:55] <TheSheep> humour? what do you mean? I'm serious
[16:57] <ochosi> lol
[20:37] <charlie-tca> ochosi: If you have time, can you look at the release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview


[00:06] <SiNiESTrO> somebody?
[00:08] <Ursinha> SiNiESTrO: I don't know this answer by heart, but if you can't find this info in launchpad docs, I'd recommend you to ask that in http://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[00:08] <Ursinha> SiNiESTrO: and I guess someone will complement our docs with that
[00:08] <SiNiESTrO> Ok, thanks anyway ;)
[00:08] <Ursinha> and answer you, of course :):
[00:10] <wgrant> SiNiESTrO: Members don't have any extra rights; they're just an informative field. The maintainer is pretty much the owner -- they have edit rights over lots of stuff. The driver is the release manager, and can milestone and perform other release actions. Mirror admins can administer a distribution's mirrors. Uploaders are a subset of those that can upload packages to a distribution.
[00:11] <SiNiESTrO> Oh thank you!
[00:11] <SiNiESTrO> I understand now ;)
[00:12] <crimsun> hmm.
[00:13] <crimsun> I'm looking to grab one specific (identically named via apport) attachment from all Ubuntu bugs that have it. Is there a feasible way to do this?
[00:14] <crimsun> (the driver is to automate the patching of volume dB discrepancies in the HDA intel driver, which can be done in a straightforward manner)
[00:14] <wgrant> Oh dear.
[00:16] <wgrant> crimsun: You would have to grab each bug, then iterate over each one's attachment collection until you found an attachment with the right name.
[00:16] <wgrant> So, no.
[00:16] <crimsun> drat.
[00:16] <crimsun> oh well, um, gmail to the rescue?
[00:16] <wgrant> Unless you can coerce somebody to run the SQL for you, which is not implausible.
[00:17] <lifeless> crimsun: are the bugs on a single package?
[00:18] <lifeless> or a constrainted set of packages?
[00:18] <lifeless> crimsun: liblaunchpad should do a decent job for you
[00:18] <crimsun> lifeless: for the most part, alsa-driver or linux
[00:40] <flacoste_ipod> Thumper around?
[00:41] <thumper> flacoste_ipod: yep
[00:41] <mwhudson> flacoste_ipod: hi
[00:41] <flacoste_ipod> Sorry rAn out of minutes
[00:41] <thumper> flacoste_ipod: it seems the read only was hitting some of the wrond dbs causing deadlocks in the slony replication
[00:41] <flacoste_ipod> I sent you an Email with a friend nimber
[00:42] <flacoste_ipod> Did you call stub?
[00:42] <thumper> flacoste_ipod: a rolling restart has got the replication unblocked AFAICS
[00:42] <thumper> flacoste_ipod: I tried
[00:42] <flacoste_ipod> Ok, is it moving on, nos?
[00:42] <flacoste_ipod> Nos
[00:43] <flacoste_ipod> Fucking iPod autocompletion
[00:43] <flacoste_ipod> Now
[00:44] <thumper> it seems to be
[00:46] <flacoste_ipod> Thumper did you get the Email?
[00:46] <thumper> yep
[00:46] <flacoste_ipod> Ok call me on the number if anything comes up again
[00:46] <flacoste_ipod> Food is served
[00:47] <thumper> ok
[01:11] <flacoste_ipod> thumper: what's the score?
[01:11] <thumper> flacoste_ipod: running the security.py script now
[01:11] <thumper> flacoste_ipod: slaves updated
[01:11] <flacoste_ipod> thumper: Cool that's good news!
[01:11] <thumper> :)
[01:12] <flacoste_ipod> Going backgammon to donner
[01:12] <thumper> heh
[01:13] <thumper> I'm sure that should get quoted
[01:24] <wgrant> Is LP still going to be back in half an hour?
[01:29] <elmo> wgrant: that or sooner
[01:30] <wgrant> elmo: Excellent. Thanks.
[02:26] <mkanat> gmb: You may be happy to hear that in the next release of Bugzilla (3.6), the WebServices API takes and returns all times in UTC.
[03:09] <jamalta> is the launchpad send report from ubuntu-bug working?
[03:10] <jamalta> i've been waiting with a "Please wait while bug data is processed" message for about 30 mins now
[03:10] <wgrant> LOSAs: Is the blob processing job running?
[03:10] <spm> not yet
[03:10] <wgrant> That's pretty important...
[03:11] <jamalta> lol
[03:11] <spm> so's all the other stuff I'm fixing :-)
[03:11] <wgrant> Well, it's now just about impossible to file bugs about Ubuntu.
[03:12] <mwhudson> should make the ubuntu devs life a lot easier!
[03:12] <wgrant> This is true.
[03:12] <jamalta> haha
[03:12] <wgrant> Hm, I just got a 502.
[03:15] <spm> edge? I'm cowboying in a fix and bouncing them atm; you may have just got unlucky?
[03:39] <spm> jamalta: are you still in waiting limbo? that should be sorting itself out atm
[03:41] <spm> woo. 2010-03-04 03:41:18 INFO    Ran 312 IProcessApportBlobJobSource jobs.
[03:56] <jamalta> spm: no it's done! thanks :)
[03:56] <spm> excellent. ta for getting back to me!
[03:57] <jamalta> spm: no problem, thanks for getting the issue solved!
[03:58] <spm> heh; more like finally getting around to the post rollout task that added that functionality. ;-D
[03:59] <jamalta> ;)
[04:00] <jamalta> so was parsing the uploads moved to a different process now? or has it always been like that
[05:41] <wgrant> jamalta: It was moved to a different process. Before 10.02 it was processed as part of the page rendering process. But since the old one was taking too long for big uploads and causing timeouts, it was moved to a background script that runs regularly.
[05:46] <jamalta> wgrant: ah cool, nice to know.. thanks :)
[10:43] <Lord-Readman> Any idea when the import que will go down? or is it broken
[10:43] <Lord-Readman> still waiting for imports from the 2nd
[10:48] <mrevell> Hey jtv, are you around to answer Lord-Readman
[10:49] <jtv> hi
[10:49] <Lord-Readman> hi
[10:49] <jtv> Lord-Readman: as a matter of fact I just figured out the missing piece of information:
[10:49] <jtv> your uploads are for Lucid
[10:49] <Lord-Readman> yup
[10:49] <jtv> and those 30K new imports that hit the queue just before yours were also for Lucid
[10:49] <jtv> ...and so you're simply at the back of the queue!
[10:49] <jtv> I thought they were for a project
[10:50] <Lord-Readman> ok, so how long will it take for 30,000 to go through?
[10:50] <Lord-Readman> so I know alot of people are trying to get translations in for beta1
[10:50] <jtv> If you look at https://translations.launchpad.net/+imports you'll see the current queue
[10:50] <Lord-Readman> in order?
[10:50] <jtv> A lot?  You can say that again!
[10:50] <jtv> Yes, within the queue of all Lucid uploads, imports are done in-order.
[10:51] <jtv> They're going through at a nice clip, but there's just a lot of them.
[10:53] <Lord-Readman> how has JR done so many translations so fast
[10:53] <Lord-Readman> either im missing something or its spam
[10:54] <jtv> Lord-Readman: nothing so dramatic, I think
[10:54] <Lord-Readman> No i dont think that either
[10:54] <jtv> Probably just a bunch of package uploads that were built in Soyuz, which produced a whole lot of translations uploads.
[10:55] <jtv> But whoo!  Some 20K obsolete entries did just drop off the needs-review queue, as planned.  At least that's one less thing to worry about.
[10:57] <Lord-Readman> hahaha
[10:57] <Lord-Readman> mine are either next
[10:57] <Lord-Readman> or last
[10:57] <Lord-Readman> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/+imports/+index?start=25100&batch=50
[10:58] <Lord-Readman> oh wait
[10:58] <Lord-Readman> those were the ones i did today
[11:01] <mrevell> thekorn_, ping
[11:09] <thekorn_> mrevell: hey
[11:11] <mrevell> Oh hi thekorn_, I've just sent you an email.
[11:11] <jtv> Lord-Readman: yours were about 2010-03-02 20:00 UTC, right?
[11:11] <Lord-Readman> 23:00
[11:12] <jtv> UTC?
[11:13] <thekorn_> mrevell: very good idea, I can look into it over the weekend
[11:13] <mrevell> thekorn_, Thanks, that would be great.
[11:13] <jtv> Lord-Readman: that's 23:00 UTC right?
[11:15]  * thekorn_ is at the cebit today, running around wearing his launchpad shirt ;)
[11:20] <jtv> Lord-Readman: that places about 15,450 entries in front of you I'm afraid.  It'll take days to process that much.
[11:21] <Lord-Readman> oh, so the our goals on trying to complete translations for Lucid fly out the window due then
[11:21] <Lord-Readman> least we know
[11:21] <Lord-Readman> I will change all the targets to 10.10
[11:21] <Lord-Readman> to save disappointment
[11:21] <Lord-Readman> thanks
[11:22] <Lord-Readman> BTW what server / servers does launchpad run on
[11:22] <Lord-Readman> is it a cloud?
[11:25] <slytherin> I am trying to import the bugs from SF to LP. How to I verify that the xml files is valid as per schema?
[11:27] <doctormo> lfaraone: I finally got a response from upstream python-xdg, apparently upstream has dropped the development of it, I'm asking if I can take over.
[11:38] <danilos> Lord-Readman, it usually doesn't take more than a few days to go through ~20k files, so yours should be imported soon
[11:40] <slytherin> Lord-Readman: No it is not a cloud.
[11:40] <Lord-Readman> kk
[11:40] <Lord-Readman> just one box?
[11:43] <danilos> jtv, fyi, last time we had ~39k files to import, we did 32k in <2 days (as for the rest, by that time we probably started getting more uploads)
[11:44] <jtv> danilos: this time the graph seems to be a lot flatter than that though, perhaps because of server load
[11:44] <danilos> jtv, it's generally slower because of message sharing merge script runs, and it depends on the type of files
[11:47] <jtv> danilos: that's what I was thinking of...  I guess the Combined graph is hiding a lot of the speed
[11:47] <jtv> danilos: btw we finally got rid of those obsolete needs-review messages.  Instant 20% queue shrinkage.
[11:48] <danilos> jtv, nice :)
[11:48] <jtv> Well, I *hope* that's what that massive deletion was about  :-)
[12:08] <soren> jelmer: What's the problem with ASF repos?
[12:09] <jelmer> soren: They blocked our IP since we were hitting their servers pretty hard
[12:09] <soren> jelmer: Aha!
[12:10] <soren> jelmer: That explains why I couldn't for the life of me reproduce the error launchpad was giving :)
[12:10] <jelmer> soren: (-:
[12:11] <soren> jelmer: How about their git repos? Do they work?
[12:12]  * soren tries
[12:13] <jelmer> soren: I think they should but haven't tried.
[12:14] <soren> jelmer: Alright, no worries. Thanks.
[12:33] <mpt> Push branch to Launchpad
[12:33] <mpt> On Launchpad bug report page, link the branch
[12:34] <mpt> On Launchpad bug report page, assign bug to me and mark it as In Progress
[12:34] <mpt> On branch page, propose it for merging into trunk
[12:35] <mpt> Can any of those steps be combined?
[12:38] <beuno> mpt, you can commit --fixes=lp:BUG#
[12:38] <beuno> and when the branch gets scanned
[12:38] <beuno> it'll get linked
[12:38] <mpt> ah, brilliant
[12:39] <Daviey> doesn't debcommit automatically do this for bug numbers mentioned in debian/changelog ?
[12:39] <beuno> Daviey, for packages, yes
[12:39] <mpt> beuno, should I report a bug about doing the In-Progress thing as well?
[12:39] <mpt> beuno, oh, whoops, you're not on LP any more. :-)
[12:39] <Daviey> beuno: ahh, this is non-package stuff
[12:40] <beuno> mpt, you can try. I'm not super sure it will fly because of those use-cases where it's not what you want
[12:41] <beuno> it would match well with my workflow
[12:41] <mpt> beuno, I'm thinking assign it to you and mark as In Progress *unless* its already assigned to someone else
[12:43] <beuno> mpt, I like that
[12:45] <mpt> wow, that's interesting
[12:45] <mpt> "bugnumber.<newline>2." got auto-linked to (the non-existent) bug 2
[12:45]  * mpt pats ubottu on the head
[12:46] <wgrant> It ignores newlines so that line wrapping doesn't break links.
[12:46] <wgrant> But the . is odd.
[12:48] <mpt> and linking "bugnumber" anything is odd
[13:32] <Breaking_Pitt> when you are running the launchpad rocketsetup script it ask for a launchpad username
[13:32] <Breaking_Pitt> what is the username?
[13:32] <Breaking_Pitt> the mail account that you use in the launchpad.net site?
[13:36] <salgado> Breaking_Pitt, your Launchpad ID.  the name that appears in the URL when you're at your profile page
[13:37] <Breaking_Pitt> ~pedgarrod without the ~
[13:37] <Breaking_Pitt> it says that no ssh keys have found?
[13:37] <Breaking_Pitt> what means this?
[13:38] <Breaking_Pitt> it's necesary to install it on my machine?
[13:38] <salgado> Breaking_Pitt, you need to upload your ssh key to Launchpad
[13:38] <Breaking_Pitt> in order to download launchpad from bazaar repository?
[13:42] <salgado> Breaking_Pitt, looks like it; what's the error message you get?
[13:43] <Breaking_Pitt> seems that my vm has died
[13:43] <Breaking_Pitt> so i will start again
[13:43] <Breaking_Pitt> now that I seem to know all that i nedd
[13:43] <Breaking_Pitt> need
[14:02] <slytherin> need a bit help with bug history import.
[14:03] <slytherin> How can I verify that the XML is valid and contains all info? The XML schema url given on help page does not look valid.
[14:09] <Breaking_Pitt> salgado, I'm getting this error
[14:09] <Breaking_Pitt> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[14:12] <salgado> Breaking_Pitt, maybe just try again?
[14:13] <Breaking_Pitt> Logging bzr into Launchpad (it's okay if this errors)...
[14:13] <Breaking_Pitt> Making local branch of Launchpad trunk, this may take a while...
[14:13] <Breaking_Pitt> The authenticity of host 'bazaar.launchpad.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)' can't be established.
[14:13] <Breaking_Pitt> RSA key fingerprint is 9d:38:3a:63:b1:d5:6f:c4:44:67:53:49:2e:ee:fc:89.
[14:13] <Breaking_Pitt> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
[14:13] <Breaking_Pitt> Warning: Permanently added 'bazaar.launchpad.net,<IP_ADDRESS>' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
[14:13] <Breaking_Pitt> Permission denied (publickey).
[14:13] <Breaking_Pitt> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[14:13] <Breaking_Pitt> ERROR: Unable to create local copy of Rocketfuel trunk
[14:14] <Breaking_Pitt> sorry for the copy/paste
[14:14] <Breaking_Pitt> sorry
[14:30] <slytherin> is anyone available to answer some doubts about bug import feature?
[14:30] <intellectronica> slytherin: sure, what's the question?
[14:31] <Breaking_Pitt> I have found the problem, salgado
[14:31] <Breaking_Pitt> the ssh keys
[14:31] <slytherin> intellectronica: I am trying to create the import file in XML format as specified on launchpad help pages. There are some attachments from previous bug tracker. How to provide them for import?
[14:32] <intellectronica> hmmm ... i don't even know if that's possible
[14:32] <intellectronica> gmb: do you know if there's a way to attach files in a bug import? ^^^^^
[14:33] <gmb> slytherin, intellectronica: It *should* be possible, IIRC. However, I don't know for certain right now.
[14:33] <gmb> slytherin: Can you file a question about it at http://answers.launchapd.net/malone
[14:33] <gmb> And I'll try to find out for you.
[14:33] <intellectronica> slytherin: we can check for you, but probably not immediately. would you mind filing a question?
[14:34] <intellectronica> oh, i'm redundant
[14:34] <slytherin> gmb: intellectronica: The format specified here has tag 'attachment' but it expects the attachment contents to be part of the XML. https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/ImportFormat
[14:34] <slytherin> I don't mind uploading attachment manually after bug import.
[14:36] <gmb> slytherin: Is there a problem with including the attachment in the XML?
[14:36] <slytherin> gmb: a bit tidious, I will have to convert the content to base64.
[14:37] <gmb> slytherin: Well you have the option of that or manually performing every upload.
[14:37] <gmb> slytherin: Forget filing the question, btw, you've just answered it yourself :)
[14:37] <slytherin> gmb: I will go with manual upload. There aren't many attachments.
[14:37] <slytherin> gmb: By the way, where can I download the schema for validation of XML with xmllint?
[14:39] <gmb> slytherin: There isn't an XML version of the schema. You should validate it against the RNG schema at https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/ImportFormat. (Though I'm afraid I can't remember what tool you use to do that; I know there is one, however).
[14:39] <slytherin> gmb: I believe xmllint can use RNG schema.
[14:40] <gmb> Fair enough.
[14:41] <slytherin> gmb: Isn't this schema anywhere in downloadable format?
[14:41] <gmb> slytherin: It's available as part of the LP tree; I'll paste it to the ubuntu pastebin for you, hang on...
[14:41] <slytherin> great
[14:42] <ahasenack> are you guys experiencing some weirdness with launchpad's openid login? Among other things, I just got this when filing a bug: "Application error.  Unauthenticated user POSTing to page that requires authentication."
[14:42] <gmb> slytherin: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/388294/
[14:43] <ahasenack> and that's a blank page with just that text, no styles, no oops
[14:47] <ahasenack> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/45191/screenshot_001_cQA5eu.png the "reload" text I added is +/- accurate, after a third reload the info bits went away
[14:47] <ahasenack> and I lost the bug text, bummer
[15:05] <barry> bac: ping
[15:05] <slytherin> gmb: xmllint does not support validation against schema in compact format. :-(
[15:08] <RobOakes> Is anyone aware of an official help forum for launchpad?  I am getting a very bizarre error when I try and create a copy of my project.
[15:08] <gmb> slytherin: Oh, I thought that passing --relaxng to xmllit would do the trick.
[15:08] <bac> hi barry
[15:08] <slytherin> gmb: It expects schema in XML format.
[15:09] <bac> hi RobOakes -- what error are you getting?
[15:10] <RobOakes> Hi bac.  ERROR: bzrlib.errors.ErrorFromSmartServer: Error received from smart server: ('error', "Absent factory for ('pkginfo-20090929022204-g27e9iizsfujbxzt-1',  ...
[15:10] <bac> wow, RobOakes, you weren't kidding
[15:10] <bac> RobOakes: what were you doing to get that error?
[15:10] <researcher1> Friends I want to create PPA here https://launchpad.net/~bhagat-taran. Just want Engineering software  for students. Any advice on how to proceed?
[15:11] <RobOakes> I'm not even sure where to start.  I'm just trying to download a copy of my project from launchpad.  Here's the command bzr branch lp:timedrive/0.3
[15:11] <bigjools> researcher1: have you seen the guide here: https://help.launchpad.net/PPA
[15:12] <bigjools> mrevell: talking of which, we need to clarify about LPIA for lucid and later
[15:12] <bac> RobOakes: there is no timedrive project
[15:12] <RobOakes> Sorry, my bad.  lp:time-drive/0.3
[15:12] <persia> bigjools: What do you seek to clarify about lpia?
[15:12] <barry> bac: hi.  i did an 'upgrade branch' from the web ui and it killed a branch of mine.  any ideas about that?  it's lp:mailman-administrivia
[15:12] <mrevell> bigjools, How about a call?
[15:13] <bigjools> persia: we don't build lpia for anything after karmic
[15:13] <bigjools> mrevell: that's it ^^ :)
[15:13] <persia> OK.  Just wanted to confirm that wasn't going to change.
[15:13] <bac> RobOakes: i can reproduce your error
[15:14] <mrevell> bigjools, Heh, I thought I'd removed lpia from our docs long ago but I'
[15:14] <bac> abentley: ping
[15:14] <mrevell> I'll make sure we say support ends after karmic
[15:14] <bigjools> mrevell: it still builds for other active series, just not lucid and older
[15:14] <abentley> bac, pong
[15:14] <bac> barry: give me a moment
[15:14] <mrevell> ah, cool, thanks for the clarification bigjools
[15:14] <RobOakes> Any ideas on how I can resolve it?  Unfortunately, that branch is the only copy of 0.3 (stable) code of my project.
[15:14] <bigjools> mrevell: any time mate
[15:15] <bac> abentley: do you recognize the error that RobOakes posted above?
[15:15] <bigjools> mrevell: I meant lucid and *newer* of course
[15:15] <bac> abentley: bzrlib.errors.ErrorFromSmartServer...
[15:15] <barry> bac: cool, thanks
[15:15] <mrevell> bigjools, got ya
[15:16] <abentley> bac, RobOakes, yes I've seen that error before.  Months ago.
[15:16] <abentley> RobOakes, which version of bzr are you using?
[15:17] <RobOakes> Bzr version 2.0.2
[15:17] <RobOakes> It's just the stock version that ships with Ubuntu 9.10
[15:18] <RobOakes> I haven't done any work on this branch since about November of last year.
[15:18] <RobOakes> It's the stable version of my project.  An upgrade to a dependency broke something this morning, so I was trying to create a copy to work on it.
[15:18] <abentley> RobOakes, this is probably due to a problem we had with earlier bzrs.
[15:19] <RobOakes> The devel version downloads fine.
[15:19] <gmb> slytherin: I believe trang should be able to convert from rnc -> xsd.
[15:19] <bac> barry: where on the UI did you do the upgrade?
[15:19] <gmb> Or indeed -> rn
[15:19] <gmb> *rng
[15:19] <bac> barry: i've never done that.  is it new?
[15:20] <gmb> slytherin: Although when I try to run it I get NullPointerExceptions. Might have a wacky Java RE installed.
[15:20] <RobOakes> Okay, is there any way to download a copy?  I'm happy to reimport the project, if need be.
[15:20] <abentley> RobOakes, let me see what I can do.
[15:20] <bac> thanks abentley
[15:20] <RobOakes> Thanks.  I really appreciate that.
[15:20] <barry> bac: yes, i think it is.  i was excited about it until it whacked my branch
[15:20] <barry> bac: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mailman-administrivia/mailman-administrivia/admin
[15:21] <barry> scroll down
[15:21] <barry> bac: now my question is: how can i get the branch back? ;)
[15:21] <slytherin> gmb: jing can validate against compact rng schema - http://code.google.com/p/jing-trang/downloads/list
[15:21] <abentley> RobOakes, curiously, the error is as though it was a stacked branch, but AFAICT, it's not a stacked branch.
[15:23] <RobOakes> I didn't think that it was.  But to be honest, I can't remember.  This is the first time in six months I've even looked at the project.
[15:23] <researcher1> bigjools. I have read the help page
[15:23] <researcher1> I can try
[15:23] <bigjools> researcher1: great, if there's anything you think can be improved let me know
[15:23] <bac> barry: as i've never seen this feature i've got no idea.  sounds like a question for the code team.  is rockstar around yet?
[15:24] <researcher1> no.thanks
[15:24] <gmb> slytherin: Ah cool.
[15:24] <rockstar> bac, barry, yes?
[15:24] <abentley> RobOakes, when you branch it, are you branching into a shared repository?
[15:24] <RobOakes> No, I'm just trying to download a copy to my local machine.
[15:24] <barry> rockstar: hi.  i tried the "upgrade this branch" feature and it killed my branch
[15:25] <rockstar> barry, :(
[15:25] <RobOakes> I haven't yet tried the "upgrade this branch" feature, because I've heard of others having problems with it.
[15:26] <rockstar> RobOakes, next time you hear people "having problems" please tell them to file a bug, since I haven't been hearing that.
[15:26] <rockstar> barry, luckily, we made a backup.
[15:26] <barry> rockstar: indeed.  the branch is lp:mailman-administrivia and i'm hoping there's some ability to recover it
[15:26] <barry> rockstar: yay!
[15:27] <RobOakes> Thanks rockstar.  I will.  The "hearing problems" has largely come from posts I've seen in the bugtracker and on mailing lists.
[15:27] <rockstar> RobOakes, which bugtracker?
[15:28] <RobOakes> To be perfectly honest.  I don't remember.  They came up when looking for bzrlib.errors.ErrorFromSmartServer
[15:28] <RobOakes> I just ran a Google Search.
[15:28] <abentley> RobOakes, how big is this thing?
[15:28] <barry> rockstar: what do i need to do to get the branch restored?
[15:28] <rockstar> barry, give me a second while I investigate.
[15:29] <barry> rockstar: thanks
[15:29] <RobOakes> abentley: Overall size or number of files?  It's about 1 MB with 100 or so files.
[15:29] <Breaking_Pitt> wich is the address of the launchpad site that i have installed https://launchpad.dev?
[15:29] <rockstar> Breaking_Pitt, -> #launchpad-dev
[15:29] <Breaking_Pitt> ok thanks
[15:32] <RobOakes> okay, maybe that's just the source package.  The actual project appears to be much larger.  Maybe 30 MB or so?  (I removed a ton of image files from the source version that made it much larger)
[15:34] <rockstar> barry, so you had two backup dirs in there, and no .bzr.  I'm not sure how that happened.  Can you check to make sure the branch is okay again?
[15:34] <rockstar> barry, I _may_ have restored an old backup, so please check to see if the latest revision is indeed the latest.
[15:35] <barry> rockstar: thanks, checking
[15:35] <abentley> RobOakes, I'm trying out an idea, but it will take a while due to the 22MB...
[15:36] <RobOakes> Thank you for checking on it.  That's fine, I've got some time.
[15:40] <slytherin> gmb: There is a problem with schema. It expects every bug tag to have at least one comment child tag.
[15:42] <gmb> slytherin: That's deliberate, and accurately represents how the bugs are stored in LP. The 0th comment is the original description for the bug (so if the bug description gets changed we link back to comment 0 so that you can see what the description was originally).
[15:43] <barry> rockstar: i'll have to get back to you on that.  i want to check with one of my devs and he's not responding to pings.
[15:43] <slytherin> gmb: Does that mean if that I need to copy description in first comment and then add remaining comments?
[15:44] <rockstar> barry, okay.
[15:44] <gmb> slytherin: Yes, that's the way to do it.
[15:44] <slytherin> gmb: Ok. I will modify my XSL accordingly.
[15:46] <abentley> RobOakes, I was able to fix this by branching trunk into a shared repo, then branching 3.0 into the same shared repo.
[15:46] <abentley> RobOakes, shall I just replace your existing 3.0?
[15:46] <RobOakes> Oh, nice!  Yes, please.
[15:47] <gmb> slytherin: Cool.
[15:50] <abentley> RobOakes, done.  Please verify it works for you.
[15:50] <RobOakes> Trying to branch right now.
[15:53] <RobOakes> It looks like it worked.  Thank you very much for fixing that.
[15:54] <abentley> RobOakes, you're welcome.  Have you checked your 0.2?
[15:54] <RobOakes> Actually, no.  Let me check it now :(
[15:56] <RobOakes> abentley: I was able to download 0.2 without issues.
[15:58] <abentley> RobOakes, great.  I notice you're not using the 2a format on these branches.  I recommend switching at some point, as it's smaller, faster, and generally more awesome.
[15:58] <RobOakes> That's good to know.  How can I upgrade to the 2a format?
[15:58] <RobOakes> (I'm not really a software engineer, these are just side projects to scratch an itch.)
[16:01] <abentley> RobOakes, there's a button on the web page to upgrade it.
[16:01] <RobOakes> Cool.  I'll do that.  Again, thank you for your help.
[16:02] <abentley> RobOakes, no problem.
[16:21] <slytherin> gmb: Can you please take a quick look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~onkarshinde/gnusim8085_bugs.xml It validates against schema.
[16:22] <gmb> slytherin: I'm quite busy at the moment. Please file a question about it (http://answers.launchpad.net/malone) and I or another member of the bugs team will take care of it for you.
[16:23] <slytherin> gmb: Fine. no issue.
[16:23] <bac> rockstar: could you have a look at https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/103090
[16:26] <rockstar> bac, done
[16:28] <bac> thanks rockstar
[16:29] <jcastro> deryck: woo on +patches!
[16:29] <deryck> jcastro, glad you like it! :-)
[16:29] <jcastro> I am about to blog it
[16:29] <deryck> jcastro, are ubuntu devs and upstreams (who know about it) happy with it?
[16:29] <jcastro> deryck: I think the announcement got lost in the new branding launch so I am going to reannounce it today basically
[16:30] <jcastro> deryck: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+patches
[16:30] <jcastro> deryck: I thought we were only going to show open bugs and not fixed ones?
[16:31] <deryck> jcastro, I had asked about this, too, thinking it was weird.  But I thought I was told this was what you guys wanted after a conversation with you all.
[16:32] <jcastro> did we have a bug for this?
[16:32] <deryck> jcastro, no, because we didn't think it was a bug.  well, I did. :-)  But was told this was a feature.
[16:32] <jcastro> Hmmm, I am having spotty memory as to why we would want the fixed bugs to show up
[16:33] <deryck> jcastro, I think the reasoning was upstreams might not have those patches and want them.  and leaving them visible helps discovery.
[16:33] <jcastro> ok
[16:33] <deryck> adeuring, am I recalling this right?  ^^
[16:33] <deryck> karl isn't around rightnow.
[16:33] <jcastro> I guess user feedback will determine how useful it is
[16:34] <deryck> jcastro, yeah, and it's simple to change if we don't like it.  one bug filed and a couple hours work and it's done.
[16:34]  * jcastro nods
[16:34] <jcastro> I'm sure karl remembers *hopes*
[16:34] <jcastro> heh
[16:34] <deryck> heh
[16:35] <deryck> jcastro, I'll make a note to follow up with him.  He's having computer issues at the moment.
[16:35] <jcastro> no worries
[16:36] <deryck> jcastro, it was a pleasure working together on this.
[16:36] <jcastro> this has been awesome
[16:36] <jcastro> I hope you're coming to UDS so we can do it again for another cycle!
[16:38] <james_w> if the upstream task is closed then upstream probably has the patch?
[16:39] <deryck> jcastro, allenap will represent us at the coming UDS.  But same plans, to be there and work this stuff out there.
[16:40] <mars> I wonder what would happen if you mixed pending branches into the +patches list :)
[16:40] <deryck> mars, go away
[16:40] <deryck> :-)
[16:40] <mars> :D
[16:40] <deryck> mars, phase 2 :-)
[16:41] <deryck> james_w, yeah, true if upstream task is closed.  and for gwibber, they are the upstream even.  so maybe some logic like that.
[16:41] <mars> deryck, yep.  BTW, this is awesome by itself.
[16:41] <deryck> thanks!
[16:41] <jcastro> mars: don't worry I have larger dreams!
[16:44] <mars> deryck, have you shown this to @segphault?
[16:45] <jcastro> mars: http://castrojo.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/keeping-track-of-patches-and-getting-them-visibility/
[16:45] <jcastro> under "My Big Dream"
[16:47] <jcastro> deryck: now that it's live and I can play with it, I am willing to bet that orderby=status and then by age is what people will want.
[16:47] <jcastro> as a default sort I mean
[16:48] <mars> jcastro, that is quite a big vision
[16:48] <deryck> jcastro, yeah, I could see that, too.
[16:48] <deryck> mars, and no, I haven't showed it to him.  I don't know if jcastro has or not.
[16:48] <jcastro> I'll show it to him today
[16:49] <jcastro> he's got a bunch of them in there.
[16:50] <deryck> indeed. and nice blog post.
[16:52] <mars> darn, looks like a bug in the tooltip code.  The popups spill of the right-hand edge of the screen.
[16:53] <mars> The tooltip should be smart enough to render itself on-screen.
[18:11] <bdmurray> should bug 505433 really have 4 heat flames? it only has a heat of 16
[18:18] <james_w> bdmurray: it's logarithmic now
[18:18] <james_w> that does seem a little off though
[18:19] <bdmurray> james_w: and based off the distro's max right? not the package
[18:19] <james_w> hmm
[18:19] <james_w> I know it depends on the context, but I don't know what it would be for a single bug view
[18:20] <james_w> deryck: do you know? ^
[18:21]  * deryck looks back
[18:21] <deryck> oh, right.
[18:22] <deryck> james_w, bdmurray -- a little slip in the way we calculate the flames.  intellectronica has fixed it, and we're putting this out in the re-roll.
[18:22] <bdmurray> great
[18:23] <deryck> hmmm, looking closer at the specific bug, though.  to make sure...
[18:23] <deryck> heh
[18:23] <deryck> bdmurray, so it's the only bug for the package.  it is the package's hottest bug.
[18:24] <deryck> on the bug, we use the package as the context for heat.  This isn't preferred?
[18:25] <bdmurray> How would you see the bug's heat for the distribution then?  I'd imagine you'd only see it in a bug list so if you were initially looking the the bug it's heat would be 0 then you click on the bug and it becomes 4?  That's weird.
[18:25] <deryck> bdmurray, yeah, agreed.
[18:26] <james_w> deryck: could there be some scaling based on the package's max_heat compared to the distribution's max_heat?
[18:26] <james_w> so you get some differentiation within each package
[18:26] <james_w> but they don't all hit 4 flames?
[18:26] <deryck> james_w, that's an interesting idea.
[18:26] <james_w> or, don't bother with flames, just print the number :-)
[18:26] <deryck> I also think that low heat bugs, for some value of low, should not have heat flames no matter the context.
[18:27] <deryck> bdmurray, james_w -- you guys agree with my last statement? ^^
[18:27] <james_w> deryck: hmm, most of my /projects/ have very low heat for all their bugs
[18:27] <deryck> james_w, low as in less than 50?
[18:28] <james_w> if you do that with a threshold across the board, then heat is only available to those projects with lots of users
[18:28] <james_w> deryck: what's the number based on?
[18:28] <james_w> is it subscribers or affected people?
[18:30] <deryck> james_w, it's several factors.  subscribers, affected users, dupes, security or privacy.
[18:30] <james_w> ok
[18:30] <james_w> so, I'm going to guess that all my bugs on projects are < 10
[18:31] <bdmurray> deryck: I'd disagree with low heat bugs have no flames too
[18:31] <james_w> at that level there's not a lot of point in differentiating them, but it would take quite a large project to push a significant number of bugs > 50
[18:31] <deryck> bdmurray, james_w -- ok, interesting.  kill that idea then. :)
[18:32] <deryck> bdmurray, james_w, so the question then is what do we base the bug page flame against for a package, the package or the distro?  Or some scaling between them.  Is that right?
[18:33] <bdmurray> deryck: yes, that's the question.
[18:34] <deryck> bdmurray, I'll open a bug.
[18:35] <james_w> deryck: what happens for multi-task bugs, it's based on the context?
[18:35] <deryck> james_w, yes.
[18:36] <james_w> deryck: I would lean towards distribution rather than package, but would be interested to try scaled-package
[18:37] <james_w> perhaps scaled-package could even be used everywhere for distribution bugs, to avoid the dissonance in flames between different contexts
[18:38]  * james_w goes to cook dinner
[18:39] <deryck> scaling is interesting.  it doesn't solve the problem of seeing no flames on a distro bug page and flames on the bug itself.
[19:20] <Kangarooo> how to make apport post files to specific bug? ubuntu-bug python-dogtail 530064 doesnt work
[19:28] <mpt> deryck, since you're discussing bug flames, here's a weird example: in <https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=metadata> the last four bug reports are practically identical in summary, time reported, reporter, and activity (none), but the very last one has four flames while the others have zero.
[19:33] <deryck> mpt, will look in just a moment... thanks!  on call.
[19:37] <deryck> mpt, yeah, that is weird.  maybe the same problem as above.
[19:39] <deryck> hmmm, yeah, same issue.  only bug in package.
[19:50] <komputes> How can I modify an existing bug to have it show "Also affect Launchpad itself"?
[19:54] <bac> komputes: use 'also affects' and just enter launchpad as the project name
[19:55] <bac> komputes: you can't search for it but you can simply enter it
[19:55] <komputes> bac: ok, will try that thanks
[19:55] <bac> np
[19:57] <komputes> bac: worked, thanks
[19:57] <bac> great
[20:34] <ajmitch> is login.ubuntu.com still the launchpad openid provider? I just had it spit out an internal server error
[20:37] <mwhudson> ajmitch: i think so...
[20:38] <ajmitch> ok, I guess the appropriate person needs poked about it, if you know who
[20:59] <Guest74124> exit
[21:00] <forrest> I have a problem getting to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/150579
[21:01] <forrest> Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.
[21:01] <bac> hi forrest
[21:01] <bac> forrest: i just loaded that page.  it was pretty slow but did load
[21:02] <forrest> hi! just reporting the error like a good citizen -- i actually have another problem with oo.o on ubuntu i was trying to find if there was already a bug for
[21:03] <bac> forrest: thanks for bringing it up!
[21:03]  * forrest tries again -- yes, it loaded this time
[21:09] <forrest> ok I found a bug that's sounds very close to what i'm experiencing #496596 -- How do I add a "me too" to it?
[21:10] <SQuIDers> hey guys
[21:10] <SQuIDers> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+specs  <-- not working
[21:10] <marius42> seems entire https://launchpad.net is not responding
[21:10] <SQuIDers> we are all doomed
[21:10] <SQuIDers> all right, later
[21:10] <marius42> oh noes
[21:36] <n8_1234> anyone know what is going on with launchpad? I was trying to download Bazaar Explorer 1.0, and it delays for a long time and the gives me an error saying to report the problem here.
[21:37] <bachya> Same here - browsing bugs and the site just hangs.
[21:42] <lifeless> sysadmins are looking at it right now
[21:43] <n8_1234> thanks for the statys
[21:46] <mbarnett> launchpad should be back to normal.  We had an issue with one of the load balancers not behaving properly.
[21:46] <mbarnett> apparently we need to load balance our load balancers better!
[21:52] <bdrung> why am i not allowed to show https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati ?
[21:52] <bdrung> "Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page. "
[21:52] <bac> bdrung: let me look
[21:52] <wgrant> bdrung: Bug 514824
[21:52] <wgrant> bdrung: As a workaround you can log out.
[21:53] <bac> thanks wgrant
[21:53] <bdrung> thanks
[22:01] <n8_1234> thaks, works great now
[23:21] <derks> did the update maintenance yester introduce a new version of bzr? I'm getting "bzr: ERROR: Unknown repository format: 'Bazaar repository format 2a (needs bzr 1.16 or later)\n'"
[23:22] <derks> baazar version 1.3.1 from EPEL
[23:23] <thumper> derks: for which branch?
[23:23] <derks> thumper, you mean which branch am i trying to 'bzr branch'?
[23:23] <thumper> yes
[23:24] <derks> lp:~derks/pkg-drizzle/rpm
[23:24] <derks> you know what... i just realized....  the branch format is based on what I pushed to it with, yeah?
[23:24] <derks> not what version launchpad is running
[23:41] <wgrant> derks: That's right.
[23:41] <wgrant> derks: The server version doesn't matter.
[23:42] <derks> wgrant, thanks.  I recreate it starting with the el5 box and older version... the fedora box newer version can branch/use that fine
[23:48] <donri> https://launchpad.net/~kuliniew/+archive/ppa ← tried to install for months, now by looking in the Packages.bz2 i find the package is not actually called "panflute". bug in launchpad?
[23:52] <robert_ancell> My bazaar repository is locked (I aborted a push). lp:~robert-ancell/simple-scan/trunk
[23:53] <spiv> robert_ancell: bzr break-lock lp:~robert-ancell/simple-scan/trunk
[23:53] <robert_ancell> spiv, I think it is the remote lock. I tried that and it doesn't work
[23:53] <robert_ancell> bzr: ERROR: Could not acquire lock "(remote lock)":
[23:53] <spiv> robert_ancell: pastebin the transcript?
[23:54] <robert_ancell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/388602/
[23:54] <wgrant> donri: No -- the packages listed by Launchpad's web UI are source packages.
[23:54] <donri> ok
[23:55] <wgrant> donri: You can see the binary packages if you expand the source package item.
[23:55] <spiv> robert_ancell: I meant of the break-lock invocation
[23:55] <robert_ancell> spiv, doesn't return any output
[23:55] <spiv> robert_ancell: and you ran exactly the command I gave you?
[23:56] <robert_ancell> spiv, ah, sorry, didn't see you passed it an argument
[23:56] <spiv> (sorry for the basic questions, but something basic seems to be going wrong)
[23:56] <spiv> Ah :)
[23:56] <robert_ancell> spiv, yeah, I think I'm the basic thing going wrong :)
[23:57] <spiv> :)
[23:57] <robert_ancell> spiv, thanks, that worked!


[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> Hey what gives
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> im trying to install snapd on Kali its having ALL Sort of probelms
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> the /home directory wont let me install any application
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> nor run it
[02:27] <Psil0Cybin> it says my /home is not my /home?
[02:27] <Psil0Cybin> What?
[02:27] <Psil0Cybin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1620771
[02:27] <mup> Bug #1620771: when /home is somewhere else, snaps don't work <link> <snap> <symlink> <Snappy:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1620771>
[02:29] <Psil0Cybin> can someone help me with this plz
[02:29] <Psil0Cybin> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/support-for-non-home-homedirs/11209
[04:01] <popey_> Psil0Cybin: do you have an interestingly different /home setup?
[04:54] <Psil0Cybin> popey_, not that i know of buit im using kali linux
[04:55] <Psil0Cybin> so perhaps it did something special for me
[04:57] <Psil0Cybin> popey_, would i follow something along these lines
[04:57] <Psil0Cybin> https://miloserdov.org/?p=2448&PageSpeed=noscript
[04:59] <Psil0Cybin> or https://miloserdov.org/?p=2448 but why would i add anything to my bash?
[08:45] <mup> PR snapd#7317 closed:  httputil: rework protocol error detection  <Test Robustness> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7317>
[09:48] <mup> PR snapd#7219 closed: devicestate/firstboot: check for missing bases early <Created by stolowski> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7219>
[10:27] <ogra> popey, nethack updated ...
[10:47] <katnip`> how do update my snap apps?
[10:49] <ogra> you mean the ones you packaged ? or as a user ?
[10:49] <katnip`> as a user
[10:50] <ogra> you dont, they update themselves as soon as something new is released to the channel you are using
[10:50] <katnip`> oh ok, ty
[10:50] <ogra> (snap info <package> gives you info about the revisions available in different channels, what you are tracking locally etc etc)
[10:52] <katnip`> alright, very nice,  thank you
[10:52] <mup> PR snapd#7327 closed: snap/naming: simplify SnapSet somewhat <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7327>
[12:08] <ardaguclu_> When I delete the state.json file, although it creates a new one but daemon can not start
[12:08] <ardaguclu_> it is something intended or is it unexpected behavior?, I want to delve into it.
[13:12] <ardaguclu_> BTW, I am talking about while debugging, current snapd is working in initialize system state
[13:33] <uebera||> Hi. Is there some kind of hook which allows you to send a mail whenever a snap gets updated instead of comparing the current output of "snap list" with the last run using a cron job?
[21:04] <mup> Bug #1841327 opened: Install snaps in Dockerfile <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1841327>


[06:28] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[07:45] <excognac> hi all
[07:48] <excognac> how do i start to understand why i have no desktop effects?
[07:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:53] <lordievader> excognac: That is usually related to a gfx driver.
[07:53] <excognac> ok, so if i cp .kde/share/config/plasma-*, will i have the same desktop sttings?
[07:56] <lordievader> excognac: I'm not sure if the desktop effects are also in there, read the files to know what settings you copy.
[07:58] <excognac> lordievader: thanks bro. Maybe it's better just to fit kubuntu on this machine How do i start to understand what's the matter?
[08:04] <excognac> lordievader: or anybody who'd be kind to help: http://pastebin.kde.org/poxlmbg41
[08:06] <MangaKaDenza> hmm
[08:06] <MangaKaDenza> how do I restart my audio drivers and such
[08:06] <MangaKaDenza> er
[08:06] <MangaKaDenza> audio
[08:18] <lordievader> excognac: Hmm those Intel gfx chips usually work out of the box. Under Desktop Effects -> Advanced -> Compositing Type what have you selected?
[08:21] <excognac> lordievader: i tried both xrender (by default) and set it later on to open GL 3.1, nothing has changed however I haven't rebooted inbeetween
[08:22] <lordievader> excognac: Ok and what effect don't work?
[08:23] <excognac> lordievader: cube animation. i turned off Blure and Fade
[08:23] <lordievader> excognac: Is Slide still on?
[08:24] <excognac> lordievader: in all effects it's turned off
[08:26] <lordievader> excognac: Interesting and the shortcut is working?
[08:28] <excognac> lordievader: sorry which shortcut? changeing between virtual desktops works fine with default Ctrl+F1 or so. Alt+Tab works differntly as set.
[08:29] <lordievader> excognac: I usually set ctrl+alt + arrow-key for switching. Not sure if it is default though. Anyhow using ctrl+f1 does what effect does it use?
[08:30] <excognac> lordievader: switches to destktop 1
[08:30] <lordievader> excognac: Without an effect?
[08:30] <excognac> lordievader: yes.
[08:32] <lordievader> excognac: On the General Tab of Desktop Effects, is Various Animation checked and Effects for desktop switching set to Desktop Cube Animation?
[08:32] <excognac> lordievader: yes they always have been checked. shall i try to reboot?
[08:33] <Addle> Is compositing on? Maybe hit ALT+SHIFT+F12 to toggle it.
[08:33] <lordievader> excognac: Don't see how that will improve things, but go ahead ;)
[08:33] <excognac> lordievader: ok cya soon
[08:33] <lordievader> Ohh that's a good one, Addle
[08:33] <Addle> Thanks :)
[08:35] <Addle> One of my favorite settings: Suspect desktop effects for fullscreen windows.
[08:35] <Addle> *Suspend
[08:36] <excognac> lordievader: nothing has changed. however upon booting at kde splash screen when it comes to desktop icon display goes dark for 2 secs or so
[08:37] <Addle> excognac: Did you miss this message?   Is compositing on? Maybe hit ALT+SHIFT+F12 to toggle it.
[08:37] <Addle> excognac: Worth a shot.
[08:41] <excognac> Addle: lordievader: altshiftf12 didn't help. wtf, after i change Desktop Effects->Advanced->Compositing type and click apply twice, and close Sys Setting it simply changes back
[08:41] <lordievader> Change from what to what?
[08:42] <excognac> lordievader: from xrender to OpenGL2.0 or 3.1
[08:43] <lordievader> excognac: Does OpenGL1.2 work?
[08:44] <excognac> lordievader: nope, same
[08:45] <excognac> lordievader: set, say both cases apply and close settings. then open again and it's again set on xrender
[08:46] <excognac> lordievader: is there anywayx to do it from konsole?
[08:46] <Addle> excognac: Mine is set to OpenGL 2.0, and works. (Qt graphics system set to Raster) and it all works. NVidia GTX560.
[08:47] <excognac> Addle: yeah i set it to raster too. on mylaptop it works fine, i tried to use the same setting buit this is a desktop machine quite stronger) and it's all messed up however I have intel graphics in both
[08:48] <lordievader> excognac: I'm starting to think you are suffering from the same bug I had once, let me see if I can find the details.
[08:49] <Addle> excognac: It works on this very old laptop with a terrible Intel 855GM card, so should be able to work for you. :)
[08:51] <lordievader> excognac: Hmm maybe not, that was about color correction. Does that happen to be on?
[08:52] <excognac> lordievader: nope, it's off
[08:53] <excognac> lordievader: lololol now totally messed up: it's on openGl 1.2 i try to set to 3.1 and it jumps to xrender insted
[08:54] <lordievader> excognac: You can set it through the terminal ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[08:54] <excognac> lordievader: how?
[08:54] <lordievader> excognac: Editing the config file ;)
[08:56] <lordievader> excognac: This is what I got in there, I'm also running an Intel chip (older than yours though): http://paste.ubuntu.com/6322947/
[08:58] <excognac> lordievader: ok, where do i paste this?
[08:58] <lordievader> excognac: It is only ment as an example. You shouldn't copy this somewhere.
[09:06] <excognac> lordievader: shall i edit it with sudo nano ...?
[09:06] <Addle> excognac: It's in your home, so shouldn't need sudo. Just nano should be fine.
[09:06] <Addle> excognac: I do suspect the XRender that keeps popping up is the issue.
[09:07] <lordievader> As Addle says. However it is odd that OpenGL woudn't work on an Intel chip..
[09:09] <Addle> excognac: I think you should be able to force it if you have in [Compositing]: Backend=OpenGL
[09:11] <Addle> excognac: Possibly make sure GraphicsSystem=raster as well.
[09:13] <excognac> Addle: ok, one sec i'm on the job soon.
[09:19] <Addle> excognac: If not, this might do it, and give you some potentially useful output: KWIN_COMPOSE=O2 kwin --graphicssystem raster --replace &
[09:19] <Addle> excognac: Which is from here: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=109963
[09:32] <Addle> Well, I'm off to sleep. Good luck with that, excognac. See you later, lordievader and all.
[09:33] <excognac> Addle: wow, since i runned: KWIN_COMPOSE=O2 kwin --graphicssystem raster --replace & cube animation but all desktop is blinking balck
[09:33] <lordievader> Addle: Thank you, sleep well.
[09:34] <excognac> Addle: thanks a lot, have a good rest
[09:37] <excognac> lordievader: http://pastebin.kde.org/pt4posdqt after the command Addle adviced, now my screen blinks in blacks, looks super messy. however, cube animation works XDD
[09:38] <lordievader> excognac: Ah you are running Kubuntu inside a vm?
[09:41] <excognac> lordievader: no i don't. i've got a new computer in my office, installed kubuntu12.04 on it with kde backports.
[09:41] <excognac> lordievader: no other OS on it.
[09:45] <silv3r_m00n> hi there, what happened , i just updated to 13.10 and i am no more able to drag windows in the taskbar to another desktop
[09:45] <lordievader> excognac: Then why would it say VMware for OpenGL vendor?
[09:46] <lordievader> excognac: Could you pastebin the output of "glxinfo|grep OpenGL", you may need the package mesa-utils.
[09:50] <excognac> lordievader: ok soon. sorry for the delays
[09:51] <lordievader> excognac: No problem, that is IRC. For some conversations there is a delay of a day ;)
[10:06] <excognac> lordievader:  yeah i need mesa utils
[10:11] <excognac> lordievader: http://pastebin.kde.org/p2mlkaqwt the output
[10:14] <lordievader> excognac: Very strange that he detects it as VMware.
[10:17] <excognac> lordievader:yeah, pretty funny. now what can i do?
[10:18] <lordievader> excognac: I get the feeling that finding the cause of this is finding the cause of the opengl problem.
[10:20] <excognac> lordievader: so it's directly refers to a major issue which has not been solved yet?
[10:22] <lordievader> excognac: No I think it is loading the wrong driver because of that info. It is probably specific to your case.
[10:28] <excognac> lordievader: is there any possible solutin? now i try to set back everything to default 'cos it's pretty annoying to use the computer like this
[10:28] <excognac> *solution
[10:28] <lordievader> excognac: Have you installed some vmware stuff?
[10:29] <fatih> hi guys, how can i visit #winehq channel?
[10:29] <ikonia>  /join #winehq ?
[10:30] <fatih> thanks
[10:32] <excognac> lordievader: nope. i only installed lightdm login screen. nothing else serious
[10:34] <lordievader> excognac: Could you pastebin the ouput of: lspci -k|grep -A 3 VGA
[10:36] <excognac> lordievader: http://pastebin.kde.org/pwwk8nvtf
[10:39] <lordievader> excognac: Hmm, that should show a driver... So it is probably using the wrong driver.
[10:40] <lordievader> excognac: Does "lspci -k |grep vmware" return anything?
[10:46] <excognac> lordievader: nope, nothing
[10:48] <lordievader> excognac: Does this return something: lspci -k|grep vmwgfx
[10:49] <excognac> lordievader: nope, nothing
[10:50] <lordievader> excognac: Hmm oke. Well lets load the correct driver anyway. sudo modprobe i915
[10:51] <lordievader> Now there should be a driver mentioned under: lspci -k|grep -A 3 VGA
[10:57] <excognac> lordievader: ATAL: Error inserting i915 (/lib/modules/3.2.0-55-generic/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915.ko): No such device
[10:57] <excognac> for the modeprobe
[10:59] <lordievader> excognac: Would that be the problem that it is using the wrong driver?
[10:59] <jack-> excognac, "modprobe"...
[11:00] <lordievader> excognac: You have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed?
[11:00] <jack-> lordievader, i'm still stuck with Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: Unable to get the locale encoding
[11:01] <lordievader> jack-: Did you do a fresh install of 13.10?
[11:01] <excognac> lordievader: the output after is http://pastebin.kde.org/phvlka9os
[11:01] <jack-> even if quantal is old, there must be a way...
[11:01] <jack-> (not yet)
[11:01] <lordievader> jack-: Not a way I know of.
[11:02] <jack-> sigh
[11:03] <ahoneybun> hey ikonia
[11:03] <jack-> i know the error is gone when this laptop is saucified
[11:04] <jack-> but........................
[11:04] <excognac> lordievader: yes, xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed
[11:05] <jack-> anyone else maybe? WISDOM is needed
[11:05] <apachelogger_> quantal? what? Oo
[11:05] <jack-> yup quantal
[11:06] <jack-> i'm getting Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: Unable to get the locale encoding
[11:07] <jack-> on every attempt to use apt/dpkg
[11:07] <apachelogger_> your LANG/LANGUAGE/LOCALE envrionment variables seem to be borked
[11:10] <jack-> apachelogger, http://pastebin.com/8M94UgyM
[11:10] <jack-> how to fix?
[11:11] <apachelogger> LC_CTYPE="\"de_DE.UTF-8\""
[11:11] <apachelogger> lol
[11:11] <apachelogger> jack-: cat /etc/default/locale
[11:12] <apachelogger> jack-: cat /etc/envrionment
[11:12] <apachelogger> actually one of those should contain LC_CTYPE
[11:12] <apachelogger> kdesudo kate the file and remove the additional \" for each value
[11:12] <cer> hi have installed the Unity package to try Unity, but lighdm does not offer me the option .... any clue?
[11:12] <lordievader> excognac: Ah on a Suse forum someone says that such an error usually means that the module tried to load, but found no recognisable hardware... Which brings us back to that VMware thing...
[11:15] <lordievader> excognac: Do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[11:15] <jack-> jack@jack-Satellite-2430:~/Downloads$ cat /etc/default/locale
[11:15] <jack-> LANG="de_DE.UTF-8"
[11:15] <jack-> jack@jack-Satellite-2430:~/Downloads$ cat /etc/environment
[11:15] <jack-> PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games"
[11:15] <FloodBotK1> jack-: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:16] <jack-> shrug
[11:16] <apachelogger> huh
[11:17] <jack-> no LC_CTYPE anywhere
[11:17] <apachelogger> jack-: sudo grep -r LC_CTYPE /etc
[11:17] <jack-> k, one sec
[11:17] <apachelogger> jack-: if there is none in /etc, create a new user and check if they also have the bogus escaped quotes in LC_CTYPE
[11:18] <apachelogger> if not then something in your home is setting the vars
[11:18] <excognac> lordievader: no i dont have that file
[11:19] <jack-> apachelogger, it's in /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/default and in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80im-switch
[11:19] <lordievader> excognac: What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[11:19] <excognac> lordievader: 12.04
[11:19] <lordievader> excognac: You could check if a live-cd/usb does load the correct driver.
[11:20] <apachelogger> jack-: paste the output please
[11:20] <jack-> which output?
[11:20] <jack-> of the grep?
[11:21] <excognac> lordievader: live-cd session is all striped when i'm usiung a graphical interface if you remember from yesterday, i had to install lightdm
[11:22] <lordievader> excognac: Didn't really follow that conversation. That is with the Precise iso I presume? Have you tested with the Saucy iso?
[11:24] <jack-> apachelogger, http://pastebin.com/DGhVxktF
[11:25] <apachelogger> jack-: most likley not it... try a new user
[11:25] <jack-> ok
[11:26] <jack-> how do i quickly make a new user? i'm a linux noob...
[11:28] <ahoneybun> away
[11:28] <excognac> lordievader:i'll check it now with the raring iso. be back soon.
[11:33] <tsimpson> jack-: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto#Graphical_Kubuntu (or see the commandline version below it)
[11:35] <jack-> thx tsimpson
[11:36] <apachelogger> mhhh that page does not apply to 13.10 anymore, someone should fix that :P
[11:36] <excognac> lordievader: hi i!m on 13.`4 livecd now, all works fine.
[11:37] <lordievader> excognac: Correct vendor, correct driver?
[11:38] <excognac> lordievader: why i want 12.04 is that this will be mz machine in the office on which need nothing but sabillity, threfore I'd prefer LTS
[11:38] <excognac> lordievader: where do i check it? Kinfo center?
[11:39] <excognac> lordievader: cos there it looks like
[11:40] <lordievader> excognac: lspci -k|grep -A 3 VGA
[11:42] <jack-> Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: Unable to get the locale encoding
[11:42] <jack-> EOFError: EOF read where not expected
[11:42] <jack-> in newjack's first shell :(
[11:43] <apachelogger> output of env
[11:45] <excognac> lordievader: http://pastebin.kde.org/phjtkzral i think this is correct now
[11:45] <lordievader> excognac: Now it loads the correct driver.
[11:46] <excognac> lordievader: so, how do i change the driver on the 12.`4 install then<
[11:48] <lordievader> excognac: Good question, the driver fails to load. And I think that is because of the wrong identified hardware (VMware).
[11:51] <jack-> apachelogger, http://pastebin.com/tGV0Gazk
[11:54] <apachelogger> jack-: right, perhaps your python is broken after all
[11:55] <apachelogger> jack-: what's `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` say
[11:59] <jack-> hold on...still running apt-get upgrade
[11:59] <excognac> lordievader: well, i'm not super comfortable with installing 13.04 or 13.10. so how do i make my beloved kubuntu to identify the correct driver? trz something like xorg-edgers/ppa or ubuntu-x-swat-/z-updates?
[12:03] <lordievader> excognac: Unfortunately that is beyond my know-how :(
[12:06] <excognac> lordievader: np, man. thank you very much for your patient support and long-lasting attention.
[12:07] <lordievader> excognac: Your welcome, I hope you'll figure it out eventually.
[12:08] <jack-> you're....
[12:08] <jack-> sorry
[12:09] <lordievader> jack-: Right, should've noticed that one...
[12:09] <jack-> :)
[12:09] <excognac> BluesKaj: Hi, may i ask what to do when a fresh install of a kubuntu 12.04 fails to load the correct graphics driver (thinks i'm using VMware)? Adding xorg-edgers/ppa would help?
[12:10]  * jack- = bad with linux, better with grammar
[12:15] <jack-> apachelogger, http://pastebin.com/7M7M14Wv
[12:16] <apachelogger> jack-: that would somewhat explain why python is being weird ;)
[12:16] <jack-> and now...?
[12:16] <excognac> bye all cza soon thanks for all
[12:16] <apachelogger> jack-: apt-get -f install... though I doubt it works
[12:17] <apachelogger> jack-: more likely you'll have to look for the culprint ... sudo apt-get install python3-distupgrade  then add stuff that does not want to install to that until you either have no more options to add or the installation would succeed
[12:18] <jack-> just trying sudo apt-get-f dist-upgrade
[12:18] <jack-> does something :) let's see
[12:20] <cer> what the the officla kubuntu development irc channel?
[12:20] <jack-> #kubuntu+1 i guess
[12:20] <lordievader> cer: #kubuntu-devel
[12:20] <lordievader> jack-: #kubuntu+1 doesn't exist the support channel for trusty is #ubuntu+1, for all flavours.
[12:21] <cer> thanks lordievader .... by the way, do you remember when we were discussing the cpu frequency setting a few days ago?
[12:21] <jack-> oh, ok
[12:21] <cer> lordievader: I think ti is actually a bug.
[12:22] <lordievader> cer: We where? Can you give a bit more background? (I forget quickly)
[12:22] <jack-> are there trusty-alpha isos already?
[12:23] <tsimpson> jack-: Alpha1 isn't until December
[12:23] <cer> lordievader: :D .... I am trying to find the IRC history, but I may have done some cleaning up already.
[12:24] <jack-> december? ok, cool
[12:25]  * jack- will be 42 on dec 1
[12:25] <tsimpson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule if you're interested
[12:26] <jack-> the magic douglas adams number...
[12:26] <jack-> thx tsimpson
[12:30] <jack-> april 17th :(
[12:30] <jack-> quite a while until release
[12:40] <evilc> Hi all, am having major problems since I was updated to saucy and now my OS is in a semi-unusable state. Is there anyone about who could help me? See http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?64014- for a thread outlining my woes...
[12:41] <lordievader> jack-: Saucy has just been released, and (K)ubuntu uses a 6 month release schedule ;)
[12:42] <evilc> specifically I now have a plasmoid task panel covering my entire main monitor (including the task panel) and I do not know how to remove it.
[12:43] <jack-> i know, lordievader
[12:46] <evilc> Or does anyone know somewhere I could get paid support on this? I cannot earn a living right now...
[12:50] <lordievader> evilc: Is your question about the panel detailed in the forum link?
[12:50] <evilc> yes - fancy panel
[12:50] <evilc> a good start I suppose would be to find out how to kill that plasmoid
[12:51] <evilc> there are wider issues with the OS, but until I can get back the use of my main monitor, there is little point to try to continue
[12:52] <evilc> my main screen just looks like this: http://snag.gy/8mzUo.jpg
[12:52] <evilc> the super-large plasmoid is capturing all clicks on that monitor
[12:52] <lordievader> evilc: You cannot right-click on that and click remove?
[12:53] <evilc> nope
[12:53] <evilc> oh hang on
[12:53] <cer> evilc: lordievader: I think you have the wrong activty set up .... look in the activities ....
[12:53] <lordievader> evilc: Are your widgets locked?
[12:53] <evilc> I just found a gap where I could right click
[12:54] <cer> evilc: are you on activity netboook?
[12:54] <evilc> I got rid of it!!
[12:54] <evilc> OK, so onto the next issue....
[12:55] <evilc> when I right click a panel > configure...
[12:55] <evilc> if I drag the "Screen Edge" handle, I get *very* weird behaviour
[12:55] <evilc> when I move mouse down, panel moves up!
[12:55] <evilc> it also flickers
[12:56] <evilc> if I release, result is pretty random. eg last time I did it I got stuck in that super-sized state
[12:56] <evilc> I have a sneaky feeling it may be related to multi-monitor
[12:57] <evilc> now I have main monitor back, gonna try disabling other monitors...
[12:57] <lordievader> evilc: What kind of graphics card do you have and what driver?
[12:58] <evilc> no idea what driver
[12:58] <evilc> I have an nvidia gtx 660ti and a rubbishy ATI radeon
[12:58] <evilc> 660ti driving 2 monitors, radeon driving one
[13:00] <evilc> hmm
[13:00] <lordievader> Such a setup is bound to give problems.
[13:00] <evilc> drag issue only seems to happen on the 2nd monitor attached to the nvidia
[13:00] <evilc> the main monitor on the nv and the monitor on the ati do not seem to suffer from this issue
[13:00] <evilc> why would that be a problem?
[13:01] <evilc> many people use different GPUs, eg on-board integrated plus an extra one
[13:01] <lordievader> Because you probably want to use the closed source drivers. And the nVidia one doesn't like the AMD one, and vice-versa.
[13:02] <evilc> can't run closed source with mixed GPU?
[13:02] <lordievader> My last experience with a similair setup was that the nvidia driver would disable the amd one, and amd would disable the nvidia one.
[13:08] <evilc> OK, gonna try nvidia drivers see what happens
[13:08] <evilc> I went to Additional drivers, and see a "NVIDIA binary Xorg driver...", is that the one?
[13:10] <evilc> says I need to restart, BRB
[13:11] <lordievader> There is usually more than one.
[13:25] <fatih> hi guys, i have a sound problem in games, i installed latest wine version. i'm using kubuntu 13.10 but i cant get sound call of juarez gunslinger game on steam. what must i do?
[13:30] <lucasirc> how call the process that init with alt+f2? it crashed
[13:36] <hateball> lucasirc: krunner
[13:36] <lucasirc> thnaks
[13:36] <lucasirc> thanks* =)
[13:41] <evilC> so that went horribly wrong...
[13:41] <evilC> linux will now not boot
[13:42] <m3kk> Is there anyone else think kde is pretty cluttered ?
[13:42] <lordievader> evilC: Entirely, or X?
[13:42] <m3kk> or.. "ugly" at least?
[13:42] <evilC> just x I think
[13:42] <evilC> I activated nv drivers...
[13:43] <jussi> m3kk: thats probably more a question for #kubuntu-offtopic,
[13:43] <lordievader> evilC: Your card is supported by the driver you installed?
[13:43] <evilC> and I saw a conflict with ati driver... the ati card was primary (despite not being main gfx card in BIOS)
[13:43] <evilC> so I removed the ati card...
[13:43] <lordievader> evilC: That's what I ment ;)
[13:43] <darktuxs> Can someone assist me?
[13:44] <m3kk> jussi: thanks
[13:44] <darktuxs> evilC: ?
[13:44] <evilC> seemed fine, then to verify some stuff I thought I would deactivate nv driver
[13:44] <evilC> but on reboot i get no x, just a flashing cursor
[13:46] <darktuxs> Can someone help me? I added a new user on my machine and I wanted to migrate my file to the new user.
[13:47] <evilC> I can enter recovery mode. but no idea what to do
[13:47] <lordievader> evilC: Have you checked that your card is supported by the driver?
[13:47] <evilC> was fine with driver activated
[13:47] <darktuxs> lordievader: Can someone help me? I added a new user on my machine and I wanted to migrate my file to the new user.
[13:47] <evilC> problem started when I DEactivated
[13:48] <lordievader> !patience | darktuxs
[13:48] <darktuxs> lordievader: My apologies.
[13:48] <lordievader> darktuxs: Do you have read/write access to the other user's files?
[13:49] <darktuxs> lordievader: I think so.
[13:49] <lordievader> darktuxs: Then it's a simple copy/move action, ain't it?
[13:51] <darktuxs> lordievader: I'm trying to remember the commands to do so.
[13:51] <lordievader> darktuxs: mv for move and cp for copy ;)
[13:52] <darktuxs> lordievader: Eep .___. that was going to be my first attempt lol.
[13:52] <darktuxs> thanks ^__^
[13:52] <lordievader> darktuxs: Also see "man mv" and "man cp".
[13:53] <evilC> ok I think I may have made progress...
[13:53] <evilC> I plugged the ATI card back in and I get a desktop on that
[13:53] <evilC> flashing cursor only on nvidia screen
[13:54] <evilC> nvidia screens no longer show in display config
[13:54] <evilC> maybe I need to reinstall open src nv driver?
[13:56] <evilC> any ideas on how i would do that?
[13:57] <lordievader> evilC: Remove the closed source driver: dpkg --get-selections|grep nvidia, those are the packges that need to be removed.
[13:59] <darktuxs> lordievader: Thanks! Hey? sorry to be a bother. I want to make this easier and I tried researching it
[14:00] <darktuxs> lordievader: Instead that long process. How can I change the username of my account, not the host name?
[14:00] <evilC> say libkwinnvidiahack4 as deinstall, nvidia-319-updates, nvidia-common, nvidia-settings-319-updates all listed as "install"
[14:00] <evilC> so remove the 3 listed as install?
[14:00] <lordievader> evilC: Yes.
[14:01] <lordievader> darktuxs: Euhmm check the Usermanager in System Settings, honestly no idea. Never done such a thing.
[14:01] <darktuxs> lordievader: Okay, sir.
[14:01] <evilC> ok, done
[14:02] <evilC> reboot?
[14:02] <lordievader> evilC: Yes. And hopefully X starts.
[14:03] <evilC> success!! thankyou
[14:21] <[Ethos]> :>
[14:21] <[Ethos]> hello
[14:22] <evilC> Well thanks lordievader - I finally have a working system again, and with the help of rog in that post have the old task manager back from raring
[14:22] <evilC> both of you are total heroes!
[14:24] <[Ethos]> does Netflix app for Ubuntu work on Kubuntu as well? :>
[14:24] <[Ethos]> don't feel like doing a trial and error.
[14:27] <tsimpson> [Ethos]: there's no reason it shouldn't, the only difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu is the default GUI
[14:27] <[Ethos]> tsimpson: ok, thanks.
[14:27] <[Ethos]> gonna give it a try now
[14:31] <lordievader> evilC: No problem ;)
[14:31] <lordievader> evilC: Have fun ;)
[14:32] <evilC> oh for that it were for fun... unfortunately all this dicking around was stopping me from earning a crust
[14:36] <evilC> can someone tell me if I need kde wallet manager? Does it store passwords for chrome? This popup every boot is annoying, I was wondering if I can disable the wallet manager
[14:42] <[Ethos]> evilC: you should remove the wallet, if you don't need extra security
[14:42] <[Ethos]> you shouldn't have set the password, when it asked
[14:42] <[Ethos]> it will ask you enter password twice now, but from homedirectory, erase the kwallet folder
[14:46] <tsimpson> you can just reset the password to blank
[14:46] <tsimpson> less secure, but still keeps usefulness
[14:55] <[Ethos]> how do I establish a channel
[14:55] <[Ethos]> I want to invite people to my channel
[14:55] <[Ethos]> heh
[14:55] <genii> [Ethos]: /join ##yourchannelname
[14:56] <[Ethos]> now I want to register it
[14:56] <genii> [Ethos]: http://blog.freenode.net/2008/04/registering-a-channel-on-freenode/
[14:57] <jack-> or just /msg chanserv help
[14:58] <evilC> thankyou, blank password worked
[15:07] <[Ethos]> genii: thanks.
[15:07] <[Ethos]> jack-: Thanks.
[15:07] <excognac> hi 12.04 failed on a new machine due to graphics drivers. now trying to install 13.04 which has better drivers. then it failed too, gub-dummz fatal. what to do now?
[15:07] <excognac> *grub-dummy
[17:12] <casa> worr
[17:16] <Moscherkobold> hello everyone, each time I want to start the muon update program it crashes
[17:19] <Moscherkobold> http://pastebin.kde.org/puhgto984
[17:28] <dougiel> my bluetooth icon does not appear in my system setting anymore
[17:28] <dougiel> on my 13.04 install
[17:44] <Bootvis> hi, if I login, my screen turns black and puts me on the login screen again
[17:44] <Bootvis> I'm on 13.04, how to diagnose?
[17:44] <Bootvis> AFAICT from /var/log/Xorg.0.log X doesn't crash
[17:51] <Bootvis> from /var/log/syslog I gather it might be a pulseaudio problem
[17:59] <Bootvis> hmm, now I have the guest account working, so I'm thinking configuration and renamed ~/.config to ~/.config_old but still nothing
[18:20] <lordievader> Bootvis: You where probably aiming for .kde <- is where the kde config files live.
[18:23] <Bootvis> erm, good point
[18:24] <Bootvis> also getting some updates to, amongst others, lightdm
[18:28] <Bootvis> thanks lordievader, that's it
[18:28] <Bootvis> much better than setting up a new user
[18:30] <Bootvis> fixed!
[18:31] <lordievader> Bootvis: Good to hear :)
[18:34] <Bootvis> should I put a bug report somewhere? I don't really have an idea what went wrong
[18:35] <[Ethos]> kubuntu.com
[18:35] <lordievader> Bootvis: Have you been playing with settings?
[18:35] <lordievader> Bootvis: I'm not really sure if this is a bug or an unsupported setting.
[18:37] <[Ethos]> Isn't there a channel on freenode to report bugs for Kubuntu?
[18:38] <lordievader> [Ethos]: IRC is not a good medium for bug reports.
[18:38] <lordievader> !bug| [Ethos]
[18:38] <[Ethos]> thanks
[18:41] <[Ethos]> how do I configure default gdm with startx
[18:42] <[Ethos]> I'm running Ubuntu Server,but I have gnome, kde,  xubuntu all
[18:42] <[Ethos]> desktops, including ubuntustudio
[18:43] <lordievader> [Ethos]: Gdm hasn't been used since, what, 11.04? Besides that is more a topic for #ubuntu.
[18:43] <[Ethos]> well right now it defaults to kde environment
[18:43] <[Ethos]> lightgdm is for setting kde?
[18:44] <lordievader> [Ethos]: Lightdm is currently the default display manager for both Kubuntu and Ubuntu, to start it simply time "sudo service lightdm start" if it doesn't start automatically.
[18:45] <[Ethos]> lordievader: thanks.
[18:45] <[Ethos]> I do not want to start it automatically, just wish to select default desktop enviornment
[18:46] <lordievader> [Ethos]: I rarely do anything with startx, I know it looks to xsession for the default. But that is about all I know of startx.
[18:47] <genii> The display manager usually shows whatever was selected last time as the default
[18:48] <[Ethos]> ok I see
[18:48] <[Ethos]> when I get the login screen, I select the default desktop
[18:49] <[Ethos]> on startx
[18:49] <[Ethos]> since its on a server I didn't want to start it by default
[18:50] <lordievader> [Ethos]: The way I do it, is comment the "start on" lines in /etc/init/lightdm.conf. That way it doesn't start automatically but I can start it with "sudo service lightdm start"
[18:51] <[Ethos]> lordievader: Thanks Again.  :>
[18:53]  * genii ponders echo "ENABLED=0" | sudo tee -a /etc/default/lightdm
[18:53] <MangaKaDenza> genii, can I loop apt-get update multiple times
[18:54] <genii> MangaKaDenza: I'm not sure your question makes sense yet
[18:54] <MangaKaDenza> I wanna run it for infinity
[18:54] <lordievader> genii: That's probably easier, thanks for the tip.
[18:57] <tsimpson> you can "echo manual | sudo tee /etc/init/lightdm.override"
[18:57] <tsimpson> that way it'll only start explicitly with "sudo service lightdm start"
[18:57] <Bootvis> lordievader: no never touch them
[18:58] <lordievader> Bootvis: What? Touch whom?
[18:59] <genii> tsimpson: Oh, nice! <makes a note in his little blue book>
[18:59] <Bootvis> the settings
[19:00] <lordievader> Bootvis: As genii and tsimpson offer much simpler solutions I'd go with one of those.
[19:03] <Bootvis> lordievader: that does not apply to me, does it?
[19:03] <lordievader> Bootvis: Oh sorry. It does not indeed.
[19:04] <lordievader> Bootvis: Did the blackscreen login happen after an update?
[19:06] <genii> MangaKaDenza: Technically it's possible to make apt-get update run in some infinite loop. But there is no good reason to do this, the main one being that it will lock the /var/lib/dpkg/lock file permanently.
[19:06] <genii> You will never be able to run the GUI package installer, etc
[19:08] <Bootvis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1246016
[19:08] <Bootvis> lordievader: I remember again (I booted to Windows for a while) it happenend after a kernel update
[19:10] <genii> Bootvis: The seond time it appears is loggin in successful, or does it continually dump back to lightdm? Because this is symptomatic of improper permissions in home dir
[19:10] <lordievader> Bootvis: Make sure you mention that you are using Kubuntu, also add the latest entries from /var/log/apt/history
[19:10] <Bootvis> it goes back
[19:13] <genii> Bootvis: I would suggest then to check the permissions of files the user's home directory. Possibly they got changed accidentally ( for instance by running startx as root there or such)
[19:16] <Bootvis> find . -name "*" -type d -print0 | xargs -0 ls -l | grep root
[19:16] <Bootvis> doesn't give anything interesting
[19:18] <genii> Bootvis: If you: sudo adduser then try login to that account, does it work?
[19:18] <lordievader> genii: For as far as I know is Bootvis's problem solved, he moved/removed his .kde folder.
[19:18] <Bootvis> yes, it works
[19:19] <Bootvis> made the bug report, unfortunately it is very vague :(
[19:19] <genii> Bootvis: Then the issue is not with lightdm, but someplace in the home directory ( if the .kde dir was moved/renamed and then it worked, was in there someplace)
[19:20] <genii> This can happen if there were settings which no longer apply, like an app was open in a saved session and the app got removed or such.
[19:22] <Bootvis> ah ok
[19:24] <jack_> leave
[19:26] <anubis> Hello im desperate: I need to do some work due tomorrow, where i need some simple OpenGl Using freeglut. I have a simple program, but i get weird errors. See http://paste.debian.net/62844/. Can someone help me plz?
[19:28] <genii> anubis: Might want to try the #opengl channel ( may be ##opengl instead, but one of those)
[19:49] <jack-> i so wish kubuntu-saucy.iso would contain an installer app for linux...
[19:50] <jack-> having to burn or usbstickify the image first kinda stops me atm
[19:55] <cris2> Hi, someone there to help me to set up a dual screen in Kubuntu 13.10 (+ amd graphics card)?
[19:56] <cris2> when a write "xrandr" my seconde screen is not detected
[20:36] <EvilRoey> hey all
[20:37]  * genii makes more coffee
[20:37] <EvilRoey> How can I unlock my KDE session from the command line?
[20:37] <EvilRoey> I am not sure if it is locked..all I did was lock it, then saw the screen go completely black and unresponsive to clicks/keypresses
[20:37] <EvilRoey> (still see the mouse though)
[20:37] <EvilRoey> all the apps are stilil running
[20:38] <EvilRoey> I did  'export DISPLAY=:0' and all that so I can access qdbus
[20:40] <genii> EvilRoey: I haven't tried any of these but they look promising: http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/2264/unlock-your-kde4-session-remotely-for-boxes-locked-by-kde-lock-utility
[20:40] <lordievader> EvilRoey: For that I use xdotool, it fakes keyboard input ;)
[20:46] <EvilRoey> yeah I saw that page
[20:46] <EvilRoey> 1) the dbus bindings it lists are out of date
[20:46] <EvilRoey> i.e. it is not org.kde.krunner
[20:46] <EvilRoey> 2) I think it is not an issue of locking anymore.  I have no idea.  It's just a black screen (with a mouse cursor)
[20:47] <EvilRoey> will be back in  abit
[20:47] <EvilRoey> *a bit
[20:53] <elien> how can restore to the default settings my muon software center..... I have not a bar to search apps and install the update available...
[20:53] <elien> anyone can help me?
[21:07] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[21:32] <theenduser> in 13.10 akkregator doesn't mark items read,  any thoughts?
[22:06] <[Ethos]> Amarok doesn't play mp3s, how do I get it to play mp3 on my Kubuntu - Desktop
[22:07] <[Ethos]> it says No Plugins found
[22:19] <jarnos> When do we get this fixed in ubuntu? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=274221
[22:52] <laboy> If I want to join a channel I just write the channels name or I have ti put irc freenode and all of that?
[23:00] <[Ethos]> how do I enable kdewallet?
[23:00] <[Ethos]> heh
[23:01] <[Ethos]> can you assign programs to secure it?
[23:01] <[Ethos]> say before opening firefox
[23:01] <[Ethos]> can I assign a password prompt
[23:03] <MrDublin> here nobody talks dont even bother
[23:09] <goodtime> sometimes people talk here lol
[23:58] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit


[16:42] <infinity> cjwatson: Can you update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes for 14.04.1?
[16:43] <infinity> cjwatson: And drop all the EOL ones while you're at it.