[16:50] <nvivo> Hi. Please, does anyody know how should I disable the touchpad in kubuntu 9.04?
[16:51] <nvivo> Do I still need to mess around with SHMConfig manually on the hal fdi files?
[16:51] <sebsebseb>  lol now I got a nice stop  sign  where the updater is.  and  I hover over  and   it says:   An error occured when checking for updates.  Ah well this messed up 8.10 to alpha6, to beta, to rc, upgrade is going bye bye soon :)  and then being replaced with a nice clean install of  9.04 final with Ext4
[16:51] <dragger> minimec , combatible controller intel
[16:52] <ctw> hi
[16:52] <SN0WB4LL> hi
[16:52] <SN0WB4LL> is EXT4 stable?
[16:53] <minimec> dragger: Intel should not be a problem. So you can just 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'. I don't have any INtel card, but they support linux quiet well.
[16:53] <ctw> I upgraded my Jaunty install last night and now cannot boot anymore: Grub gives me the following error: 'Error2: Bad file or directory type' -- any advice?
[16:53] <Rods_Tiger> How do I get my computer to just log in automatically without stopping to ask for my password after it has logged in, for 'network manager'.
[16:53] <ctw> I'm using jfs
[16:53] <sebsebseb> Ext4 is stable enough now, by the sounds of things
[16:53] <ctw> I've tried doing an fsck but everything seems to be clean
[16:53] <sebsebseb> ctw: why jfs?
[16:53] <Rods_Tiger> it says unlock keyring and it seems 'network manager' is the thing being obstructive
[16:53] <SN0WB4LL> so, do you recommend me install EXT4?
[16:54] <sebsebseb> weird I can't autocomplete your name,  yeah  9.04  is pretty pointless without Ext4 really
[16:54] <ctw> sebsebseb: I made that decision a long time ago after reading a comparisons of filesystems ... it seemed best for handling large files at the time and now I'm kind of stuck with it
[16:54] <ctw> sebsebseb: any idea what might be going on?
[16:54] <kklimonda> SN0WB4LL: there is one ugly bug (#330824) in ubuntu.. migrating is your call..
[16:54] <sebsebseb> ctw: why is it better for large files?
[16:55] <sebsebseb> ctw: and no since I don't know enough about file systems
[16:55] <ctw> sebsebseb: I think it was rated as faster ... as I said I made that decision a long time ago
[16:55] <ctw> sebsebseb: the issue seems to be with grub though
[16:55] <sebsebseb> ctw: well Ext4 is meant to be much faster than Ext3
[16:55] <ctw> sebsebseb: I'm hoping that there is a way for me to rescue my system without a re-install
[16:55] <SN0WB4LL> kklimonda: mhhhh, but 2 days ago, the bug will be repair?
[16:55] <SN0WB4LL> sorry for my english :P
[16:56] <Rods_Tiger> what I want is to just switch the computer on and it does all the starting up without my intervention. Having to go to it and type in the password into 'unlock keyring' is not what I want.
[16:56] <sebsebseb> SNOWB4LL  by what I have seen of 9.04,  with Ext3, it is pretty pointless.
[16:56] <kklimonda> SN0WB4LL: I don't know if it will be repaired soon.. it's hard to reproduce but painful for those who are affected..
[16:56] <ctw> when I log in with an old kernel, I can boot, but I get a lot of errors indicating that libraries are missing (I did a complete dist-upgrade) ... does anybody here know how to fix this?
[16:57] <ctw> I can't even run apt-get anymore
[16:57] <ctw> because of the errors
[16:57] <SN0WB4LL> kklimonda: so, upgrade or no? :S
[16:57] <nvivo> anyone has any idea on how to disable the touchpad while typing on kubuntu 9.04?
[16:57] <sebsebseb> !touchpad
[16:58] <SN0WB4LL> ok thanks :)
[17:00] <slacker_nl> hello does anyone know if ubuntu 9.04 has a KDE 3.5.x package?
[17:01] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: sadly  8.10, and 9.04 do not have KDE3 avaialbe in the repo
[17:01] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: there is a way to install, but not sure about having both KDE3 and 4
[17:01] <slacker_nl> i don't want kde4
[17:01] <regeya> kde4 is quite an adjustment, isn't it slacker_nl
[17:01] <ctw> did anybody else run into the 'Error2: Bad file or directory type' message after upgrading?
[17:01] <slacker_nl> i want 3.5
[17:01] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: yeah I don't like KDE4 much either
[17:02] <slacker_nl> regeya: i think its too bloated
[17:02] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: 8.04 has KDE3 in the repo :)
[17:02] <nvivo> ok.. it seems i still need to manually enable SHMConfig then
[17:02] <regeya> heh
[17:02] <slacker_nl> sebsebseb: that i know, i'm running 8.04
[17:02] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl:  maybe you should just stay with 8.04 for now
[17:02] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: I mean nothing that amazing in 8.10 or 9.04
[17:02] <nvivo> why is this never fixed? I mean, notebooks are so common, why SHMConfig is not enabled by default?
[17:02] <regeya> slacker_nl: I've noticed if I shut off most the special effects, it seems to run better, but I still dislike the panels
[17:02] <slacker_nl> sebsebseb: i've upgraded to 8.10 and it broke my intel driver
[17:02] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: and 8.04 is the long term suppourt release, so that will still be getting updates, when 8.10 and 9.04 no longer are
[17:03] <slacker_nl> so I'm staying at 8.04 for a long time ;)
[17:03] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: oh right I see,  old graphics card?
[17:03] <slacker_nl> no, not really
[17:03] <slacker_nl> some bug with a intel driver, it was fixed in a later release but that wasn't in 8.10
[17:03] <slacker_nl> iirc
[17:03] <swirvbox> Has anyone had success with evolution mapi ?
[17:03] <slacker_nl> lemme find the bug
[17:04] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: I am glad I  haven't  updated,  the other computer from  8.04 to 8.10, don't want to be stuck with a unsuppourted 8.10 on there,  or  have to go 9.04 on there
[17:04] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: on my own computer oh sure, I want the latest etc etc, but for the other computer a family one, 8.04 is great
[17:05] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: I have used Ubuntu since the second release of 2005, and by what I have seen of  9.04,  and what I know about it,  I am not sure if I can tell loads of people to upgrade to it yet.  I will have to clean install this  slightly messed up install here and there,  and  put a nice clean install of 9.04 final with Ext4,  before I can recommend people to upgrade or not, more properly
[17:06] <slacker_nl> sebsebseb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/256142
[17:06] <minimec> Gullstad: I gave AWN a chance, but i start to love that gnome-do docky ;)
[17:06] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: 8.04 was nice, 8.10 was nice,  9.04  does not seem properly worth the upgrade for many people.
[17:06] <slacker_nl> hehe
[17:06] <slacker_nl> i have seen many people upgrading to 9.04
[17:06] <slacker_nl> and they seem to be happy
[17:07] <slacker_nl> but I was just curious regarding kde
[17:07] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl:  you use Gnome?
[17:07] <slacker_nl> since I didn't like the sudden upgrade to alpha kde4.x
[17:07] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: if you want KDE3 just run it in 8.04 :)
[17:07] <slacker_nl> i run kde3.5 in 8.04 ;)
[17:07] <genii> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-jaunty-kde3-remix-beta   as well
[17:07] <slacker_nl> i was curious
[17:07] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl:  8.04   3 years suppourt on the desktop
[17:08] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: 8.10 and 9.04 only a year and half on the desktop
[17:08] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: so got another 2 years of suppourt on the desktop with 8.04
[17:09] <slacker_nl> i have a server too
[17:09] <slacker_nl> so that is 5 year support on 8.04 iirc
[17:09] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: newer is not always better, and  8.04 has certain advantages over 8.10 and 9.04,  just like 8.10 will have over 8.04 and 9.04,  and 9.04 will over  8.04 and 8.10, but it depends on the computer and the user.   for example I read that 9.04 is meant to have better suppourt for  atheros wireless,  would that effect me personally nope, since I am hardwired :)
[17:09] <dstar> anyone know why emacs-snapshot-x on kubuntu jaunty doesn't completely maximize vertically?
[17:09] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: yes exactly 5 years of suppourt for hte server, and yeah 8.04 is recommend for servers
[17:10] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: with Ubuntu it is not about what is new, it's about what is still suppourted :)
[17:10] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: naturalley most users are going to be using the latest version though
[17:10] <slacker_nl> hahahaa
[17:10] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: why why ha ha?
[17:11] <slacker_nl> had to laugh regarding the supported statement (breakage of my X with the 8.10 upgrade)
[17:11] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: to be honest  Ubuntu's website should be more clear about  how   it's meant to be about what is suppourted. and how these non LTS releases are just build up releases to another LTS
[17:11] <slacker_nl> i'm not a guy who want the latest and greatest
[17:11] <slacker_nl> i've never really looked at the ubuntu website
[17:11] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: stay with 8.04 then makes a lot of sense in your situation :)
[17:12] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: by the way KDE3 is sadly no longer developed, hence why distros are getting rid of it.  hence why 8.04 is the last one to have it available in the repo
[17:12] <slacker_nl> only need it for the downloads, and even that is not often, since all my boxes are upgraded from some ancient release
[17:12] <slacker_nl> i blame kde for the mishap ;)
[17:12] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: I think suppourted or not, KDE3 should still be an option in the Ubuntu repo
[17:12] <slacker_nl> me too
[17:13] <topyli> heh
[17:13] <topyli> and gnome 2.4
[17:13] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: KDE3 is more stable than KDE4 I think, but not entirely sure
[17:13] <topyli> err, 1.4
[17:13] <yoasif> KDE3 needs to be forked if people care that much about it... likely not going to happen because KDE4 is supposed to be a superset of KDE3 (eventually)
[17:13] <sebsebseb> topyli: heh heh maybe, in fact I want to try those :)
[17:13] <slacker_nl> sebsebseb: it was when 8.10 was released imo
[17:13] <slacker_nl> I know a kde user who switched to gnome because of kde4
[17:13] <topyli> sebsebseb: it's just that all this whining about kde4 reminds me of gnome2 :)
[17:13] <slacker_nl> he didn't like it
[17:14] <sebsebseb> yoasif: yeah I don't think that many people cared about the Mozilla Suite really, but that got forked, Seamonkey
[17:14] <sebsebseb> topyli: I hate KDE4 basically,  except for how some of it's apps that I use got much better, but I use those in Gnome anyway :)
[17:14] <slacker_nl> actually, a co-worker of mine is using seamonkey
[17:14] <yoasif> sebsebseb: i'm still using seamonkey as an alternate browser
[17:14] <mint3> gnome i find is better sebsebseb
[17:14] <sebsebseb> mint3: yeah  Gnome is rather good with some KDE apps in it as well :)
[17:15] <sebsebseb> KDE3 has been around for years, and so is rather stable,  why does good software have to die?
[17:16] <sebsebseb> uhmmmm  well I would run Kubuntu KDE3 sometimes, but use Ubuntu/Gnome :)   however Knoppix and what not, KDE3 was so good there
[17:16] <yoasif> sebsebseb: someone needs to support it... you can set up a foundation if you want ;)
[17:16] <sebsebseb> yoasif: ha ha no money for that,  plus  I don't program anything yet
[17:16] <sebsebseb> yoasif: and I don't care enough about KDE3 not being suppourted  to  want to
[17:16] <sebsebseb> yoasif: and I can always continue to virtual machine 8.04 for KDE3 or whatever,  when it's no longer suppourted
[17:17] <topyli> i guess this discussion benongs to #ubuntu-offtopic though
[17:17] <sebsebseb> topyli: maybe to some extent
[17:17] <topyli> (since i don't think you're having kde3 problems in jaunty)
[17:17] <sebsebseb> topyli: no  I got KDE4 problems instead :d
[17:17] <mint3> plasmoids on kde are ok tho
[17:18] <tommychurch> atleast there is life in this room some of the other ones you need to check and see if you have a toe tag on in them
[17:18] <topyli> sebsebseb: ok, those belong here, if they're specific to the upcoming ubuntu release :)
[17:18] <yoasif> i have a real question...
[17:18] <sebsebseb> topyli: yeah  when I upgraded 8.10 to alpha6, my KDE4 went rather bad indeed.  well I had the KDE4.2 PPA in 8.10.   well my KDE apps still work in Gnome :) so I didn't care enough to try and fix it.  ,but  would log into KDE4 and it would be the background. a  like cricle on the top right. and could right click for some options
[17:18] <yoasif> im running seamonkey and it warns me on every start that "You're using an old stable version of SeaMonkey (1.1.15), while we offer a newer version which contains important security fixes."
[17:19] <yoasif> why are we not shipping 1.1.16?
[17:19] <topyli> sebsebseb: that of course is a 100% unsupported upgrade path
[17:19] <sebsebseb> topyli: no  log in sound in Ubuntu, and  the upgrades from  alpha6, to beta, to rc,  haven't done anything much it seems, nothing that I could notice. and my   help last time I looked. still mentions how shutdown and logout is in the system menu.
[17:19] <sebsebseb> topyli: and I know it's unsuppourted
[17:19] <sebsebseb> topyli: I expected issues
[17:20] <sebsebseb> topyli: anyway I am preperating my computer, so I can get rid of this messed up Ext3 install, and put a nice clean  install of  Ubuntu 9.04 final  with Ext4 :)
[17:21] <tommychurch> whats going to be different  about this new  9.04
[17:21]  * sebsebseb says from about a month of using,  9.04 with Ext3, really does not seem worth it
[17:21] <sebsebseb> tommychurch: the only major change is the optional Ext4 file system
[17:21] <topyli> sebsebseb: yeah if you had done a clean in the first place, you would be able to talk about jaunty issues in the first place :)
[17:21] <sebsebseb> tommychurch: well and there are under the hood improvements, such as  better  wireless supopurt, and arm
[17:21] <tommychurch> how does that effect  anything  if i may ask  benefits
[17:21] <sebsebseb> topyli: ha ha  yeah maybe
[17:22] <topyli> right now you're talking about issues in some mysterious bastard system you built in your laboratory at night
[17:22] <sebsebseb> topyli: ha ha not quite, but one where updates went wrong yes
[17:22] <yoasif> sebsebseb: new packages, as always
[17:22] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb, are you really "that convinced", that ext4 is superior to ext3 ?
[17:22] <kklimonda> yoasif: security patches were backported to 1.1.15
[17:23] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: by what I have been told, it's worth trying :)
[17:23] <topyli> BluesKaj: look at the numbers!
[17:23] <timc> Hey, how do i disable the notification system?
[17:23] <slacker_nl> guys, thnx for the info regarding 9.04 and kde3.5
[17:23] <slacker_nl> i'm off
[17:23] <BluesKaj> topyli , what numbers ..gotta URL ?
[17:23] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: and if   9.04  with Ext4 isn't that superiror to Ext3, well I wonder how long I will be staying with 9.04, because for example  how  they removed shutdown and logout from the system menu, really does get at me, oh sure I can remove fusa to get it back, but what if I want both
[17:23] <yoasif> kklimonda: ah gotcha
[17:23] <mackk431> #flame
[17:24] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: I have used Ubuntu since second release in 2005,  I am going to be doing a lot of virtual machine trying once I got a clean install of 9.04 with Ext4
[17:24] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: who knows I might try a distro that I like better, but  I have been rather loyal to Ubuntu, and so stuck with it for so long
[17:24] <yoasif> sebsebseb: what distro would you try?
[17:24] <sebsebseb> yoasif: oh loads of OS's I want to try
[17:25] <slacker_nl> i would go for opensolaris or one of the BSD clones
[17:25] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: yeah I  want to try those :)
[17:25] <slacker_nl> if i would leave ubuntu
[17:25] <yoasif> haiku!
[17:25] <yoasif> http://www.haiku-os.org/
[17:25] <sebsebseb> I want to try more advanced stuff as well,  Gentoo, Sabyon,  ArchLinux, Slackware, etc  etc
[17:25] <slacker_nl> the opensolaris meets debian fork looks nice
[17:26] <coz_> hey guys... has any progress been made to speed up nauilus open dialog?  I just spen 30 minutes doing a project that would normally only take 3 minutes... it's painfully slow
[17:26] <slacker_nl> nexeta it is called..
[17:26] <sebsebseb> well I nearly tried those distros on old computer, before the hardware buggered up nicely
[17:26] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb, I'm asking a question, not trying to be critical of ppls choices here ...I would also consider using ext4 if it's worth the effort to do a clean install , but I am kinda happy with jaunty so far .
[17:26] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: boot up times are meant to be faster and things,  a lot of people have said 9.04 with Ext4 is better than Ext3
[17:27] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: and the disk check is meant to be really quick
[17:27] <yoasif> sebsebseb: Gentoo is dying... the rest, i would just jump into debian unstable or experimental ;)
[17:27] <sebsebseb> yoasif: Gentoo is dying what?
[17:28] <yoasif> sebsebseb: interest is starting to wane... more people interested in arch and ubuntu etc nowadays
[17:28] <kklimonda> sebsebseb: they have had a lot of organizational problems in last months/years..
[17:28] <sebsebseb> yoasif: well  Ubuntu has been the major noobs distro since 2004/5
[17:28] <yoasif> yeah what kklimonda said as well
[17:29] <sebsebseb> yoasif: hence why it's got most desktop Linux users,  which is good as well, since then can pretty much ignore suppourting other distros
[17:29] <sebsebseb> yoasif: help suppourt Ubuntu, help it gain much more market share, Windows lsoes market share :)  and more apps go cross platform
[17:29] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb, bootup time is not a biggie with me , it still beats the wifes vista pc , and when I boot up in the morning the login is up and ready when I get my first cup of coffee.  :)
[17:29] <weltall2> can someone help me with a dual xscreen bug only in 9.04?
[17:32] <LiMaO> !ask | weltall2
[17:32] <mint3> !asl
[17:32] <mogul218> hey all I attempted to have 3 ntfs partitions mounted automatically at start up and 2 of the 3 mount successfully but the third doesn't.  When I attempt to mount manually i get this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/155425/ Here is a copy of my FSTAB http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/155433/
[17:32] <weltall2> i've tried but i got no answer :S
[17:33] <weltall2> practically
[17:33] <LiMaO> weltall2: well, try it again. people are always getting in and out of the channel.. maybe someone can help you now
[17:33] <weltall2> every application i open on the second monitor opens on the first the only way to make things open there is using the terminal and doing DISPLAY=":0.1" application
[17:33] <weltall2> i think the display enviroment variable is wrongly defined
[17:34] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb , i was  a windows guy for yrs til i started to dabble in Linux about 10 yrs ago , but the cli made me aconvert
[17:34] <weltall2> and being this tested on a live it's a bug not a misconfiguration on my end
[17:34] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: indeed the shell is so much more powerful,  in  Linux distros and Unix
[17:34] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: DOS it's like LOL
[17:34] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: in fact their are sadly still retards, that use it for partitining
[17:34] <BluesKaj> never did much DOS
[17:35] <yoasif> sebsebseb: not true with Powershell in vista and above
[17:35] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: I did a course and they used DOS for partitioning, and I was like what the?  and thought of the Gparted Live CD or something :)
[17:35] <sebsebseb> yoasif: powershell  vista add ons?
[17:35] <LiMaO> shouldn't you people be talking in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[17:35] <mphill> Are the karmic repos created when the tool chain is uploaded
[17:35] <sebsebseb> LiMaO: maybe
[17:36] <BluesKaj> powershell in vista ...hmmm ?
[17:36] <thiebaude> this channel is more relaxed than #ubuntu
[17:36] <LiMaO> it's kinda difficult to keep track of users' real problems when some are talking about dos and vista
[17:36] <LiMaO> thiebaude: still we try to keep on topic
[17:37] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: true, but I was here once talking off topic when this  channel was rather dead, and later people suggest going to offtopic
[17:37] <thiebaude> LiMaO: i agree
[17:37] <tommychurch> the ubuntu 64 channel is dead
[17:37] <bigjocker> ERROR: there's no such channel #ubuntu-offtopic? on this server
[17:37] <thiebaude> yesterday everyone was offtopic,lol
[17:37] <sebsebseb> !ot
[17:37] <mint3> !offtopic
[17:37] <LiMaO> bigjocker: no question mark, it's #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:37] <sebsebseb> that needs to be updated for this channel :d
[17:37] <sebsebseb> the bot should know which channel it is  in
[17:37] <mint3> the bot seems sleep
[17:37] <mint3> y
[17:38] <sebsebseb> well  this channel is going bye bye again on Thursday
[17:38] <bigjocker> LiMaO, i know ... i'm just being pedantic ;)
[17:38] <thiebaude> so this channel will be #ubuntu on thursday or how does that go?
[17:38] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: yep
[17:38] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: I think it's Thursday when it happens
[17:38] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: they will like lock this channel or something, so people can't join
[17:38] <thiebaude> so this channel will be 9.10
[17:39] <LiMaO> thiebaude: this channel will be closed upon the official release of 9.04. people should go to #ubuntu
[17:39] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: when  9.10 development starts, this one becomes 9.10 talk yeah
[17:39] <tommychurch> why
[17:39] <thiebaude> kewl, i cant wait
[17:39] <BluesKaj> bigjocker it's #kubuntu-offtopic
[17:39] <LiMaO> thiebaude: this channel will be reopened by the time there is anything to talk/ask/report about 9.10
[17:39] <thiebaude> wow, #ubuntu will be 8.04 8.10 and 9.04 that will be busier
[17:40] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: yeah maybe
[17:40] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: ,but probably most people here are also in #ubuntu
[17:40] <sebsebseb> what really gets me about Ubuntu really
[17:40] <LiMaO> thiebaude: actually we tell everyone to upgrade, so it won't be that bad =P
[17:40] <sebsebseb> is the amount of lurkers
[17:40] <sebsebseb> that never chat
[17:40] <mint3> i dont understand how your number 1
[17:40] <sebsebseb> 1526  nicks in #ubuntu right now,  right, but most of those never even chat there
[17:40] <thiebaude> LiMaO: yea, cant wait until my 9.04 cd
[17:41] <mint3> 9.04 looks good
[17:41] <thiebaude> mint3: it sure boots fast
[17:41] <mint3> i have been impressed. been using it since the beta came out.
[17:41] <mint3> so far, i had no glitch.
[17:41] <sebsebseb> I am waiting for people to ask about shutting down and logging out 9.04, since they got removed from the system menu, if I see that in #ubuntu  it will make my day
[17:41] <thiebaude> i cant use 9.04 because my X freezing
[17:41] <weltall2> every application i open on the second monitor opens on the first the only way to make things open there is using the terminal and doing DISPLAY=":0.1" application so i think there is some misconfiguration of enviromental variables. the problem is that this happens on a live cd so i assume it's not something i did.
[17:42] <sebsebseb> above that was meant to say, looking forward to
[17:42] <thiebaude> sebsebseb: yea, i remember that
[17:42] <weltall2> any ideas?
[17:42] <mint3> weltall2, whats the problem lad ?
[17:42] <thiebaude> brb
[17:42] <weltall2> well i can't use the second monitor without doing that thing
[17:43] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: 3 suppourted releases, well better than only 2 or only 1?
[17:43] <weltall2> everything opens on the first one if i use the gnome menu
[17:44] <weltall2> (note i've a menu in either screen as i don't use xinerama but two separate x screens)
[17:50] <weltall> sorry firefox crashed
[17:51] <Las1> hrrm
[17:51] <Las1> i'm not showing a "card0" in /dev/ after upgrading
[17:52] <Mint`> !safari
[17:52] <Lasivian> crap, looks like I have this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/357290
[17:53] <Lasivian> what is UXA?
[17:53] <thiebaude> it looks familiar,lol
[17:54] <mrwes> Is Gnome-do supported in Jaunty
[17:56] <mrwes> !gnome-do
[17:56] <Lasivian> anyone good with video? I don;t follow this bug :/
[17:57] <Gullstad> minimec: Oh-well.. your dumb :P
[17:58]  * Lasivian grovels
[17:58] <emma> hi folks.
[17:58] <emma> I have been hearing a lot of generally positive feedback about Jaunty. It seems like a pretty cool release.
[17:59] <minimec> Gullstad: Looks that 'mrwes' is on my side... ;)
[17:59]  * Lasivian really wants to know how to move from EXA to UXA
[17:59] <sebsebseb> emma: yeah it's alright
[18:00] <Lasivian> that seems to fix this bug, but I don;t know how to make that switch, or even where to start looking :/
[18:00] <Gullstad> minimec: AWN has more features, and has more features. I think :P
[18:02] <minimec> Gullstad: maybe, but that gnome-do docky is quiet easy to handle.
[18:03] <Newbee> hello
[18:04] <Newbee> i have kubuntu jaubty and my sound fails frequently. now i cannot put out any sound. kde tells me that the device doesn't wok. what can i do to fix this?
[18:05] <ripps> Lavivian: Add "Option "AccelMethod" "UXA"" to the Device section of your xorg.conf
[18:05] <ripps> Beware, UXA can still be quite unstable
[18:05] <Newbee> i have intel hda sound on my notebook
[18:06] <ripps> Lasivian: ^ (sorry, mistyped your name)
[18:07] <Lasivian> ripps: thanks
[18:10] <yml> Newbee: which kind of laptop is it ?
[18:11] <Newbee> yml: thoshiba satelite with intel chipset
[18:11] <yml> I have also a sound issue with hp DV6 1030ef
[18:12] <yml> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/363870
[18:12] <yml> there is 3 days that i have been trying my best to get my kubuntu make some noise without success
[18:13] <yml> I would be satisfied if at least the headphones was working
[18:15] <Lasivian> whoa, uxa seems slower for everythign :S
[18:16] <ripps> Lasivian: I told you was still unstable
[18:16] <Lasivian> ripps: well, seemed worth trying
[18:17] <ripps> Lasivian: Newer kernels have more optimizations for UXA, but it still a while before there'll be gains in performance.
[18:18] <Lasivian> ripps: yeah, and EXA is simply a known bug in the works so i'm kinda screwed either way
[18:19] <Newbee> how can i restart alsa?
[18:20] <coz_> Newbee,    sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[18:20] <coz_> that should work
[18:20] <Newbee> doesn't exist and this sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[18:21] <Newbee> doesn't help
[18:21] <coz_> Newbee,  are you using alsa or pulseaudio?
[18:21] <Newbee> coz_: I don't konw. how can i find this out?
[18:22] <BluesKaj> coz_ , alsa and pulseaudio aren't mutually exclusive , they depend on each other
[18:22] <BluesKaj> !alsa
[18:22] <Lasivian> ripps: I suppose I should just go back to EXA and disable all 3D effects
[18:22] <BluesKaj> !pulseaudio
[18:22] <Lasivian> not like I really need them
[18:23] <Lasivian> this might be a horribly silly question but how long do bugs usually hang around before they are fixed in Ubuntu?
[18:23] <Newbee> ubottu: i use kde and cannot find this option
[18:24] <ripps> Lasivian: You might want to try out one of the newer mainline kernels to see if it fixes your problem
[18:24] <ripps> !mainline
[18:24] <coz_> Newbee,  what does   ps ax | grep pulseaudio   read out from terminal
[18:24] <ripps> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds
[18:24] <Lasivian> ripps: hrrm, how do I do that?
[18:24] <Newbee> 9489 ?        Ssl    0:02 pulseaudio -D
[18:24] <Lasivian> i'm guessing not through the package system
[18:25] <ripps> ^ Goto the link, follow the directions
[18:25] <Lasivian> hrrm, tempting but i'm concerned as well, heh
[18:25] <coz_> Newbee,  well I am not sure I alsways remove pulseaudio on my systems  so I really cant help
[18:26] <Lasivian> heh, "The kernel team does not support these kernels, use them at your own risk. "
[18:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all. Suppose one wanted to get rid of skype for video calls. I tried ekiga in jaunty,and to my surprise it is now able to do a good echo test with video. But video quality can not compete with skype - seems a matter of bandwidth. Do you have any favourite client for video chat or should I just stick with skype atm?
[18:30] <Newbee> when I log in, sound normaly works. and then from one moment to the other it fails. reboot helps, but i'd like to fix it. doesn't anyone know what I could do about it? this is really a show stopper in my eyes.
[18:33] <coz_> Newbee,  unfortunately I personally dont use pulseaudo and am not well versed in KDE to tell you where to go  in the menus... maybe perhpas check   gstreamer-properties from the terminal ?
[18:33] <coz_> i am sure that someone here is more familiar with this and working with kde
[18:34] <yoasif> Newbee: file a bug report and use alsa-info.sh https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[18:34]  * ripps hasn't used KDE since 2005
[18:35] <Newbee> both commands were not found
[18:35] <coz_> Newbee,  gstreamer-properties was not found?
[18:35] <Newbee> yes
[18:36] <yoasif> coz_: does kde use gstreamer?
[18:36] <Newbee> that's what it told me. I think with KDE xine ist mostly used
[18:36] <weltall> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-main-menu/+bug/345595 => here it is my issue with ubuntu 9.04
[18:36] <coz_> yoasif,  oh  I am not sure
[18:36] <coz_> Newbee,  you may also benefit by going to  #kde channel and asking there
[18:36] <yoasif> Newbee: do this in a terminal wget http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh -O alsa.sh && bash alsa.sh
[18:36] <yoasif> and try going to #alsa
[18:37] <yoasif> and also filing a bug report
[18:38] <Newbee> yoasif: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=f1267b4187f9ea36ecf91eec5a033e081bc2ea82 may it help to reload the mentioned kernel modules?
[18:39] <yoasif> Newbee: i dont know much about audio, honestly but post that link in your bug report, that is what you will be asked for to start with anyway
[18:39] <yoasif> and you can try posting that link in #alsa and see if they can help as well
[18:40] <yoasif> audio bugs should be posted to linux-source
[18:40] <yoasif> let me get you a link to make it simpler for you
[18:40] <shaga> anyone here on acer aspire one & Jaunty?
[18:40] <shaga> having some problems with integrated mic
[18:41] <shaga> it skips and wont take a clear voice
[18:41] <yoasif> shaga: see the forums (ubuntuforums.org), i saw somethings on there about that
[18:41] <shaga> ok, will check. thanks
[18:42] <yoasif> Newbee: post a bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug
[18:42] <tinjaw> Ok. I'm back. Let's see if we can troubleshoot this issue.
[18:43] <tinjaw> I have 9.04 beta.
[18:43] <tinjaw> I have dual nvidia 8800GT
[18:43] <Pollywog> A light bulb icon popped up on my task bar and asked me to set a passphrase to encrypt my home directory but it did not accept all my input and now I am afraid of being locked out of the system
[18:43] <BluesKaj> Newbee , what's your soundcard ?
[18:43] <Pollywog> is there a way to fix this without a reinstall?
[18:44] <tinjaw> when I attempt to run the proprietary drivers I can't get x to start.
[18:44] <tinjaw> when I go back to generic drivers all is well
[18:44] <Newbee> BluesKaj: I guess it is a realtec chip. but I don't actually know.
[18:44] <tinjaw> the twist is that this *was* working for the past 2-3 weeks.
[18:44] <tinjaw> It only broke when I did a fesh install yesterday.
[18:44] <BluesKaj> Newbee , in the Konsole : aplay -l
[18:45] <DarthFrog> Does anyone here use Thunderbird with Jaunty?
[18:46] <coz_> Pollywog,  you can delete a key  or even add a new one  I am not sure if thats what you want
[18:46] <Pollywog> coz_: yes that is the option I seek
[18:47] <Pollywog> since I do not think the one I entered was correctly entered and I might be locked out of the system after a reboot
[18:47] <coz_> Pollywog,   ok first I have never done this but  I believe to add a key you would   sudo cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/HARDDISK    to delete  a key I believe   you do     sudo cryptsetup luksDelKey /dev/HARDDISK
[18:47] <coz_> Pollywog,  however I would check with someone on that to be sure first  before doing it
[18:47] <Pollywog> thanks I can google uusing what you told me
[18:48] <Newbee> BluesKaj: Karte 0: Intel [HDA Intel], Gerät 0: ALC268 Analog [ALC268 Analog]
[18:48] <Newbee> BluesKaj: Karte 1: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], Gerät 3: ATI HDMI [ATI HDMI]
[18:49] <tinjaw> Installing nvidia-glx-180 via Synaptic
[18:51] <BluesKaj> !intel HD audio
[18:52] <deeta> Hiya, I had the misfortune of experiencing a power-blackout during upgrading to jaunty, not surprisingly somethings broke, most obviously the xserver. (does not recognise keyboard or mouse) would anyone know how to troubleshoot this?
[18:52] <BluesKaj> !HDA
[18:56] <genii> !intelhda
[18:57] <Pollywog> coz_: I think my system is using something called ecryptfs
[18:58] <Pollywog> I am Googling for a way to reset the passphrase
[19:00] <BluesKaj> BBIAB
[19:01] <MikeH> Are there any issues with upgrading to Jaunty with an ATI card now? (I remember reading a short while back that there were no ATI drivers for the new X server version?)
[19:01]  * Lasivian hugs ripps
[19:01] <Lasivian> ripps: 251fps with the pipes screensaver I like so much
[19:02] <deeta> Anybody around who could assist me with fixing X? :)
[19:03] <coz_> Pollywog,  ok  good luck on that :)
[19:04] <Pollywog> coz_: I think I fixed it but I am going to backup some files before my next reboot
[19:04] <Pollywog> it was ecryptfs-manager
[19:05] <Pollywog> I added a passphrase with that command
[19:06] <ripps> Lasivian: Your welcome
[19:06] <coz_> Pollywog,  ok cool  let me know if that works
[19:07] <ripps> MikeH: There's no catlyst drivers for r300-r500 cards in Jaunty, r600+ are supported by catalyst. The Open source Radeon drivers work fro r200-r700.
[19:08] <MikeH> I have a 4850
[19:08] <MikeH> which means the proprietory drivers will work?
[19:09] <ripps> MikeH: That's a RV770, it'll work with catalyst, and has limited support in radeon
[19:09] <ripps> But it should work with both
[19:09] <MikeH> ripps: By catalyst you mean the drivers from ATI's site?
[19:10] <ripps> MikeH: yes
[19:10] <ripps> fglrx
[19:10] <MikeH> great news
[19:10] <MikeH> I was worried about nothing :) - Update in progress
[19:11] <MikeH> Is KDE 4.2 stable in Jaunty? Does anyone here use it?
[19:11] <tas> Here we go
[19:11] <transsoup> @MikeH KDE 4.2.2
[19:12] <tas> Hello all, I have a question about upgrading to Jaunty from Intrepid
[19:12] <dekkong> Hello Guys
[19:12] <MikeH> awesome, have the performance issues been addressed?
[19:12] <BluesKaj> !ask | tas
[19:12] <MikeH> I had terrible problems with 4.2 beta under Intrepid
[19:13] <dekkong> I'm trying to download sun-java6-jre for Ubuntu 9.04 but it takes forever :/
[19:13] <tas> Basically, I wanna know if installing it also reinstalls GRUB. I have a Windows partition and it took me quite awhile to install Ubuntu without killing the Windows mbr. So I'd like not to go through that mess again
[19:13] <BluesKaj> tas , if you do a network upgrade , grub will remain un touched
[19:13] <ripps> MikeH: If your concerned about compatiblity, burn an iso with the jaunty rc and see if there's any problems in the livecd
[19:13] <tas> Perfect
[19:14] <transsoup> @MikeH in my opinion it seems to be a bit more stable, but since I'm using gnome or the basic shell, I can't say for sure
[19:14] <Lasivian> how can I see which mouse button is which button # to Gnome?
[19:14] <MikeH> I suspect it'd keep your grub config if you update through upgrade-manager, I'll also guess that if it does upgrade it, it'll install it in the same place.
[19:14] <tas> Thank you, Blues. How do I go about doing that? update-manager -..what was it, k?
[19:14] <Lasivian> it's this little program I can;t remember and my google-fu sucks today :S
[19:15] <MikeH> ripps, transsoup: I'm not worried as such, I'd like to use it, but I've gone back to using gnome. I guess I'll just wait and see - if it's usable now, I'll go back to it :)
[19:15] <tas> Oh, also, if I use updage manager, will it automatically upgrade to the RC version?
[19:15] <ripps> tas: yes
[19:15] <tas> Or some other Beta or Alpha version of Jaunty?
[19:15] <BluesKaj> tas , use the command line , either apt or aptitude .. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:15] <tas> Mkay, thans
[19:15] <MikeH> Hrm, I was told that it wasn't advised to use upgrade/dist-upgrade
[19:15] <MikeH> and that i should use update-manager.
[19:16] <tas> O:
[19:16] <tas> How do I use Update-manager?
[19:16] <MikeH> update-manager -d
[19:16] <tas> Ah, thanks
[19:16] <MikeH> at the top it'll tell you about 9.04 and give you a button to "upgrade"
[19:16] <BluesKaj> update manager is buggy
[19:16] <MikeH> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904overview <-- tas
[19:16] <ripps> Many people misunderstand the alpha, beta, rc names. There's only one repository "Jaunty". The repository itself is automatically updated to from alpha->beta->rc->full
[19:17] <Pici> MikeH: You shouldnt use upgrade/dist-upgrade to upgrade from one release to the next, but just normally upgrading from within one release to the latest packages is fine
[19:17] <tas> So when the full version comes out, I should run update-manager -d again, correct?
[19:18] <MikeH> tas: no, once you're running Jaunty, you can update;dist-upgrade
[19:18] <tas> ah, thanks
[19:18] <tas> I'll go too it then
[19:18] <MikeH> Pici: I know, sorry, I assumed the advice was on upgrading to Jaunty from another version
[19:18] <tas> Last question; Anyone know if Jaunty supports rebooting on a Macbook 5,1?
[19:19] <ripps> Jaunty is Jaunty, there is no other jaunty that can be installed
[19:19] <Pici> Use update-manager -d when you want to go from a release to the next development release. i.e: to Karmic when that gets started.
[19:20] <tas> O: Allright
[19:20] <tas> I guess I'll disconnect now and let the upgrade run its course
[19:20] <tas> Thank you all
[19:21] <ripps> Y'know every release, there's people asking if they have to do special upgrades from alpha->beta->rc. Isn't there an alias that we can call to explain it?
[19:22] <hifi> has anyone tried to dist-upgrade from debian, ever? :)
[19:22] <Gullstad> debian to ubuntu?
[19:22] <hifi> yeah
[19:23] <Gullstad> Should work, but upgrades tend to leave a mess.
[19:23] <hifi> I'm up to clean it up, if it still boots
[19:23] <Gullstad> Yeah, and that :P
[19:23] <hifi> though I could just reinstall
[19:24] <Gullstad> I upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 I think, and endend up with the nice message "No Operating system" when rebooting :P
[19:25] <hifi> if it fscks up my partitions then I'll be mad, otherwise I don't care what happens if my /home survives
[19:25] <Technoviking> no updates in more than 24 hours, Woot!
[19:25] <Gullstad> hifi: You should reboot though P
[19:27] <Gullstad> I mean backup
[19:27] <Gullstad> :P
[19:27] <MikeH> hr
[19:27] <MikeH> *hrm
[19:27] <MikeH> I might try installing lenny on a vm and attempting dist-upgrade to jaunty
[19:27] <MikeH> interesting question hifi :)
[19:29] <hifi> I'll try it tomorrow, just for the heck of it
[19:29] <hifi> if the mess is too big to clean up I'll just reinstall
[19:32] <hifi> it's from sid to jaunty so some package versions should be around the same
[19:34] <TheDJACR> Hello!
[19:34] <TheDJACR> Which is better for an install: Daily or RC?
[19:34] <djhash> hey, are there known issues regarding xorg "No Devices detected, Fatal server error: no screen found"
[19:34] <TheDJACR> djhash: Check launchpad
[19:35] <djhash> ok..
[19:35] <TheDJACR> :)
[19:35] <TheDJACR> Anyone having issues with Tracker corrupting itself?
[19:35] <ber2> hi everyone... I have a problem with my "Software sources" lately, I am unable to run "apt-get update" since a few days ago... does it have anything to do with the fact that I am running a 9.04 Beta?
[19:36] <Pici> ber2: What sort of problems?
[19:36] <ber2> well, I cannot download the files that contain the lists of packages
[19:37] <ber2> my network connection is fine, and I have tried some different mirrors... but it will always stop at the "jaunty-security" repo
[19:38] <Pici> hm
[19:38] <usergr> I Have no sound in kubuntu 9.04 RC. Can you help me?
[19:39] <usergr> If it matters I installed kubuntu-desktop on my current ubuntu installation
[19:40] <Pici> ber2: Can you browse to its location in a web browser?
[19:40] <mnemo> usergr: no sound with live CD as well?? (i.e. not an installed/updated version)
[19:40] <jtholmes> TheDJACR, the daily is the RC at the moment
[19:40] <mnemo> usergr: if you boot the live CD and dont have sound, then please run alsa-info.sh and attach the output to a new bug report in launchpad
[19:41] <Lasivian> hrrrm, it's not xinput
[19:41]  * Lasivian scratches her head and tries to think
[19:41] <usergr> Thank You!
[19:41] <Assid> yoza
[19:42] <panic1c> anyone using jaunty with nouveau?
[19:42] <panic1c> I'm getting a 1 sec delay on maximizing/restoring windows from dock
[19:43] <panic1c> the delay is also present if I switch to a workspace that has any windows on it
[19:43] <Assid> nouveau?
[19:43] <panic1c> yes
[19:43] <ber2> Pici: yes, I can browse to the location
[19:43] <Assid> you sure its not cause of your graphicv card?
[19:43] <panic1c> Assid: What do you mean?
[19:44] <Assid> i.e. your using 3d acceleration
[19:44] <panic1c> launchpad doesn't seem to have anything on the issue
[19:44] <panic1c> no
[19:44] <panic1c> Assid: just composting
[19:44] <usergr> mneno , I logged of and switched to ubuntu but there is no sound again. I hear a hhhh noise now
[19:44] <usergr> mnemo,
[19:45] <Assid> no idea..
[19:45] <magnus__> Hello! I've recently upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04RC. Having the whole HD encrypted and LVM didn't work that well, now the system wont boot anymore. Any suggestions what to do?
[19:45]  * Assid just waits for the next release so i can blast it into the net
[19:45] <mnemo> usergr: download this file -->   http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/file/93548f7b2086/alsa-info.sh
[19:45] <mnemo> usergr: run it and attach the output to a bug report describing the problem
[19:46] <usergr> Is it an executable?
[19:46] <jtholmes> magnus__, where does it stop in grub
[19:46] <transsoup> magnus__: use installer cd rescue mode and manually mount the crypted lvm
[19:46] <mnemo> usergr: its a shellscript
[19:46] <Assid> anyone how what time is the release party expected to be day after?
[19:46] <usergr> how to run it?
[19:47] <Assid> so i can put up some boxes
[19:47] <mnemo> usergr: just do "chmod +x the_file.sh" and then "./the_file.sh"
[19:47] <magnus__> stops at "Loading please wait...." Then after a while it boots a basic shell
[19:47] <mnemo> usergr: use "wget" to download it
[19:47] <nellmathew> hey guys how do i access the home directory of another partition (encrypted)?
[19:47] <Skiessi> do I have to edit some file or is there a command line tool for blacklisting modules?
[19:47] <TheDJACR> LiveUSBs Fail
[19:47] <jtholmes> magnus__, do you know how to edit grub lines
[19:47] <deany> !virus
[19:48] <TheDJACR> But they worked with Beta
[19:48] <magnus__> yes, with some guidance of what to write
[19:48] <usergr> thanks , have a great evening
[19:49] <jtholmes> magnus__, just edit the kernel line and remove the  quite and splash from the end of the line and lets see what causes it to go to busybox shell
[19:50] <deany> um, ive set effects to none,  effects are off.  yet compiz is running, and its set to current and default in gconf-editor.  ive set default to metacity and rebooted and still current is compiz
[19:50] <jtholmes> magnus__, of course boot after removing those values from the kernel line
[19:50] <aboSamoor1> I lost the sound, I got this error when I am trying to modprobe snd-hda-intel "snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_add_slave, snd_card_new"
[19:52] <BluesKaj> !intelhda | aboSamoor1
[19:52] <vart> Skiessi: I add lines like "blacklist lp" to the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[19:52] <Skiessi> okay then
[19:55] <magnus__> It says "Check cryptopts=source= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev -r ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/ANID does not exist. Dropping to a shell!"
[19:55] <madduck> i am trying to rip to mp3 with sound-juicer; lame is installed, and the mp3 profile is enabled in the preferences, but it does not show up in the select list...
[19:55] <madduck> what gives?
[19:56] <pwnguin> panic1c: nouveau will be slow in situations where compositing will be valuable
[19:56] <IndyGunFreak> BluesKaj: i think that applies more to Gutsy.. that chipset had awful isssues w/ gutsy and feisty
[19:57] <BluesKaj> IndyGunFreak , it's still aproblem
[19:57] <BluesKaj> BBL
[19:57] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1: which intel sound device do you have? (lspci output)
[19:57] <IndyGunFreak> BluesKaj: i have it on 3 different machines, no probs at all.
[19:57] <ranim> hi, ubuntu sent me my request of ubuntu 9.04 but i see that it is in RC in the web site,& the final is after 2 day, i want to know if the cd is the RC or final?
[19:58] <thiebaude> ranim: final release
[19:58] <IndyGunFreak> ranim: its probably close to the final..
[19:58] <mnemo> if I have the environment variable "LANG=en_DK.UTF-8" what does the "DK" part mean? because I got english language in ubuntu and I got swedish keyboard keyboard layout... i cant think of anything in my ubuntu which is supposed to be danish (DK) ?!
[19:58] <IndyGunFreak> i wouldn't expect any major changes in the next two days... it seems to be running good.
[19:58] <thiebaude> ranim: of coarse with updates  when you install it
[19:59] <aboSamoor1> IndyGunFreak: http://paste.ubuntu.com/155512/
[19:59] <bertodsera> Hi all! Is anyone else having problems with the updater?
[19:59] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1: very odd.. i've got that exact device on my laptop (i'm on it now)... and its working perfect.. completely updates.
[20:00] <thiebaude> bertodsera: whats wrong with it?
[20:00] <ranim> can i use the same software of ubuntu 8.10 in this version? (virtualbox,monoDev,QT4)
[20:00] <IndyGunFreak> bertodsera: from intrepid to jaunty?.. its probably overwhelmed
[20:00] <thiebaude> ranim: yes
[20:01] <Pici> There was talk about respinning some of the isos, so no, the RC discs are not the final ones.
[20:01] <bertodsera> then mine is simply broken. It got broken on installing the nfs packages and now will wxit after proposing a partial update
[20:01] <aboSamoor1> IndyGunFreak: is the mic working ?
[20:01] <bertodsera> I did a forced remove of the pending installs on dpkg but as it turns out it dod not help
[20:01] <bertodsera> dId
[20:01] <IndyGunFreak> bertodsera: i always do clean installs.. so i couldn't tell you much about the upgrade process
[20:01] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1: not reall sure, gimme a few minutes
[20:02] <vart> bertodsera: try to manually remove all files from the eapt cache
[20:02] <carl0s-> I deleted smb.conf because it was all cocked up, now I want to restore the default smb.conf. How do I do that?
[20:02] <bertodsera> vart: t trying it
[20:02] <IndyGunFreak> bertodsera: it'll take a second, i'm installing skype.. I meant to do that anyways
[20:03] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1: see above.. but it worked fine under Intrepid.. so i can only assume its fine on Jaunty
[20:04] <aboSamoor1> IndyGunFreak: it was not working on my laptop I tried to upgrade alsa using the script and after I don't have sound :(
[20:04] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1: what script?
[20:04] <TheDJACR> So, Is RC stable enough yet?
[20:04] <aboSamoor1> IndyGunFreak: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1046137
[20:05] <Gurpartap> I guess i'm going to repeat a common question
[20:05] <TheDJACR> Also, what's the deal with ext4
[20:05] <Gurpartap> When's it coming out?
[20:05] <Gurpartap> :)
[20:05] <TheDJACR> Gurpartap: 2 Days
[20:05] <Gurpartap> oh lol
[20:05] <Gurpartap> i thought it's 23rd :|
[20:05] <vart> TheDJACR: yes (but I do not use ext4 yet)
[20:05] <Gurpartap> (here) :P
[20:05] <Gurpartap> but it's 22nd. thanks anyways :)
[20:05] <thiebaude> TheDJACR: ext4 isn't enable by default
[20:05] <Gurpartap> bed time
[20:06] <IndyGunFreak> Gurpartap: it seems pretty stable for me though... i dobut much is gonna change overnight..
[20:06] <IndyGunFreak> the torrents are smokin...
[20:06] <TheDJACR> thiebaude: Are there performance issues>/
[20:06] <bertodsera> let's see what happens with apt-get clean
[20:06] <Turl> hi
[20:07] <Turl> I'm having a problem with the CPU Frequency applet
[20:07] <Turl> it doesn't show the frequency!
[20:07] <thiebaude> TheDJACR: yea i have problems, my X freezes
[20:07] <thiebaude> im waiting for my 9.04 cd
[20:07] <Turl> it seems it uses the same font color as the panel background
[20:07] <TheDJACR> thiebaude: With ext4 or RC?
[20:07] <IndyGunFreak> thiebaude: why not download it?
[20:08] <thiebaude> TheDJACR: i might enable ext4
[20:08] <thiebaude> IndyGunFreak: im not able to burn it
[20:08] <IndyGunFreak> oh.
[20:08] <thiebaude> i have 9.04 but cant boot into it, only blackbox
[20:09] <thiebaude> im glad 9.04 let me get to a log-in prompt
[20:09] <TheDJACR> thiebaude: On a flash drive?
[20:09] <thiebaude> TheDJACR: i dont have a flash drive
[20:10] <TheDJACR> thiebaude: Oh. Flash Drive installs have a bug --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/276822
[20:10] <thiebaude> TheDJACR: im sure 9.04 will reconize my system on a fresh install
[20:12] <TheDJACR> The RC doesn't work, but the daily does.
[20:12] <TheDJACR> Also, applets are fscked up
[20:14] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1: yes, my mic works.. i just set up skype, and it works fine.
[20:17] <aboSamoor1> IndyGunFreak: try this please cat /proc/asound/card*/codec\#*|grep -i codec
[20:17] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1: why?.. mine works.
[20:17] <IndyGunFreak> or do you just want the output
[20:17] <aboSamoor1> IndyGunFreak: only the output
[20:17] <jeiworth> w00t no updates today? :eek:
[20:18] <Turl> aboSamoor1: mine doesn't work :P can you help me?
[20:18] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1:  Codec: Realtek ALC268
[20:18] <IndyGunFreak> Codec: Conexant ID 2c06
[20:18] <aboSamoor1> Turl: once I can help myself
[20:18] <Volkodav> anybody has jaunty running on netbook ?
[20:18] <unitedpotsmokers> hello guys, good morning
[20:19] <IndyGunFreak> Volkodav: i did, till my netbook took a dump..lol.. gotta send it back to acer
[20:19] <aboSamoor1> IndyGunFreak: ok, it is not the same chip
[20:19] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1: ah, ok..
[20:19] <ber2> Voldokav: I am running Jaunty on an Asus EeePC 901
[20:19] <ber2> Volkodav: I am running Jaunty on an Asus EeePC 901
[20:20] <cwillu> unitedpotsmokers, just ask your question, in full.  Don't ask to ask :p
[20:20] <Turl> anyone from the ubuntu desktop team?
[20:20] <vart> Volcodav: Aspire One
[20:21] <Turl> if anyone can help fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/323064 , it's very important as it's reproducible with a default theme
[20:22] <Volkodav> vart - do you have standard edition or remix ?
[20:22] <Arc> ok now I've gone from asking about QWizard to being asked about the issue im working with mv.com to resolve
[20:22] <vart> i started with standard and installed packets from remix... but have not enabeled most of the things there
[20:23] <cwillu> Arc, :)
[20:23] <checkbit> Hi. I Updated from 64bit 8.10 to 9.04 using update manager, nor both synaptic and update manager throw segmentation faults :(. Any ideas?
[20:23] <Arc> I'm with the NH LoCo - the ISP most of us use and we (along with GNHLUG/etc) promote as the linux-friendly ISP has a problem with Jaunty
[20:23] <checkbit> *now
[20:23] <cwillu> Arc, the query shouldn't be getting through to the root name servers.  What response are they giving for that query?
[20:23]  * cwillu brushes up on his dns :p
[20:23] <Arc> their nameservers "trap" .local and reply with NXDOMAIN so that queries don't go to the root nameservers
[20:24] <ber2> Volkodav: I had lots of trouble with Netbook Remix, so I went back to the classical desktop, the standard edition
[20:24] <Arc> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 18459
[20:24] <Arc> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
[20:24] <Arc> ;foo.local.			IN	A
[20:24] <mvo> checkbit: could you try to move away /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin
[20:24] <Arc> local.86400INSOAmv.mv.com. mem.mv.mv.com.<PHONE_NUMBER> 36000 3600<PHONE_NUMBER>0
[20:24] <IndyGunFreak> ok, here's one annoyance.. how do i stop pidgin from putting the whole message in my taskbar, when soemone IMs me.... i just want it to flash showing i have a message
[20:24] <Arc> cwillu: "shouldn't" - every other ISP does pass .local to root nameservers, and every other ISP passes Avahi's test
[20:24] <checkbit> mvo: rename them to .old?
[20:25] <unitedpotsmokers> cwillu : OK, ahh u also in here? hmm but u dont answer before? i'm still confuse
[20:25] <unitedpotsmokers> hello guys, good morning. i'm using intrepid with vmware. now i upgrade it Jaunty. everything OK, but how to reinstall vmware? because when i try to install vmware tools i need to remove these compenant manually (The following VMware kernel modules have been found on your system that were not installed by the VMware Installer.  Please remove them then run this installer again. : vmmemctl, vmxnet, vmce, vmblock.)
[20:25] <cwillu> unitedpotsmokers, I already told you that #ubuntu isn't the place to ask support questions about jaunty
[20:26] <sebsebseb> I am thinking if there is any good reason for me to do a seperate home partition when I get rid of this 9.04 borked updates install, and do a clean install  of 9.04 final with Ext4.   at the moment I am preperating my computer  moving data, so my Ext3's are ready to go.  however apparantly  without a seperate home,  since Ubuntu 8.04 if doing a reinstall, where home is in /  it would leave the data intact as long as
[20:26] <sebsebseb> didn't tell it to format
[20:26] <Arc> what I would like to be able to do is use dnspktflow, which is part of the dnssec-tools package, to analyze what Avahi is testing *precisely* to help them debug the test
[20:26] <Arc> the problem is that QWizard.pm is a dependency of dnspktflow which is apparently not provided by any Ubuntu package which is where I'm at now
[20:26] <Volkodav> ber2 what kinds issues did you have with remix ?
[20:27] <Arc> I downloaded the source of QWizard but have no idea how to invoke it's Makefile.pm or otherwise install it
[20:27] <checkbit> mvo: you are my HERO!! Thanks!!
[20:28] <vart> IndyGunFreak: open plugins menu and slect MEssage Notification plug-in - in the plugin-config you could select the way notification will work I think
[20:29] <cwillu> Arc, just on the off chance that you haven't run into this, http://avahi.org/wiki/AvahiAndUnicastDotLocal may be useful
[20:29] <IndyGunFreak> vart: thans
[20:30] <Arc> cwillu: I'm well aware, and I've already given their support staff the work-around, but I'm working with their netadmin to resolve the problem so that's not needed
[20:30] <unattached> hi, my cpu freq scaling applet isn't working, although i did a sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector, any help? i cannot set a different frequency or scaling mode, would always stay on ondemand..
[20:30] <Arc> I've been working with them on this for six weeks
[20:30] <cwillu> Arc, the workaround is the default in ubuntu though afaik
[20:30] <Arc> cwillu: Jaunty RC was shipped still testing for unicode .local
[20:31] <cwillu> unicast .local you mean?
[20:31] <Arc> yes
[20:31] <IndyGunFreak> vart: that seems to have done the trick.. thanks
[20:32] <Arc> I don't want or need your support on this, what I need support on is getting dnspktflow working
[20:32] <vart> IndyGunFreak: you're wellcome
[20:32] <IndyGunFreak> vart: i figured i'd find it eventually.. i just didn't think to check the plugins section.
[20:35] <vart> IndyGunFreak: yeah, it was last place to look for... I would prefer to have Notification submenu in the Tools menu for example...
[20:35] <IndyGunFreak> yup
[20:35] <Arc> or perhaps more specifically if anyone knows how to sniff DNS queries
[20:35] <eagles0513875> hey guys i got a question on intrepid i used to be able to purge kubuntu desktop it would remove the kdm and all kde stuff now on a clean install of jaunty i cant do that any more
[20:36] <cwillu> Arc, wireshark or tshark will do it
[20:36] <eagles0513875> has something changed that im not aware of ? i would in its place install the kde-core package and install what i want from there
[20:36] <cwillu> Arc, or even tcpdump on the right protocol/port
[20:40] <deany> coo, a jaunty vbox PUEL deb
[20:40] <deany> (which is the same as intrepid, but labelled for both..hmm
[20:43] <cwillu> Arc, dns_has_local in /usr/lib/avahi/avahi-daemon-check-dns.sh may be useful to look at
[20:47] <bertodsera> still problems on the upgrade manager: http://pastebin.com/d268071ef this is after an apt-get clan
[20:47] <bertodsera> clEan
[20:48] <bertodsera> I can imagine twisted not being there...
[20:48] <bertodsera> Nvidia worries me a bit more
[20:48] <andresmh> can someone explain to me what this means "The -intel driver now uses GEM for memory management. The new UXA acceleration architecture and DRI2 is available as an option." (from  http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904overview)
[20:49] <andresmh> I have an intel  GM965/GL960 graphics card and I want to know if that sentence is talking to me and if so, what I can do about it
[20:50] <cwillu> andresmh, you can use accelmethod "UXA" to change the default method from exa to uxa
[20:51] <andresmh> cwillu, and wlll that make my graphics work faster, because right now I feel things are a bit sluggish.
[20:51] <cwillu> andresmh, it may, although uxa has some lingering stability issues
[20:51] <cwillu> andresmh, on the other hand, so does exa these days :p
[20:52] <andresmh> cwillu, so how do I check if i'm using uxa or exa? and how do I change from one to the other?
[20:52] <cwillu> andersk, if you haven't changed anything, you're running exa
[20:53] <cwillu> andresmh, you can use accelmethod "UXA" in your xorg.conf to change the default method from exa to uxa
[20:53] <davenull> Has anyone else noticed that jaunty will spontaneously not let you write to /dev/null and you cant open bash?
[20:53] <cwillu> davenull, haven't noticed that, no
[20:54] <davenull> Well, both a friend and I have had the same problem, his was on a clean install
[20:54] <andresmh> cwillu, in which section of the xorg.conf would that be? Googling for UXA xorg doesn't return useful hits so far
[20:54] <cwillu> andresmh, try uxa xorg.conf :p
[20:55] <cwillu> but it just goes in the device section
[20:56] <andresmh> cwillu, oh, according to this http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=538171#p538171 i just need to add:          Option          "AccelMethod"   "UXA"
[20:56] <andresmh> do I also need the  Option          "RenderAccel"   "True" ?
[20:56] <cwillu> andresmh, no, renderaccel is on by default
[20:57] <andresmh> cool. I'll try t just the accelmethod thing then :) i'm going to restart X, if I don't come back it means i messed it up
[20:58] <deany> is this http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads  intrepid/jaunty deb ok to use?
[20:58] <andresmh> cwillu, dude, this is fast!
[20:59] <deany> being its, intrepid AND jaunty
[20:59] <andresmh> cwillu, never saw my laptop this fast!
[21:00] <cwillu> andresmh, I think the plan is to move the default to uxa for 9.10
[21:00] <andresmh> cwillu, i don't know how unstable this is, but even if i have to reboot every day I wouldn't mind
[21:00] <ezzieyguygwuf> should i wait two days to install jaunty or is the release candidate pretty much the same
[21:01] <andresmh> ezzieyguygwuf, why don't you try the livecd?
[21:01] <andresmh> if things work out, just install and then do the updates
[21:01] <cwillu> andresmh, I have a crash every couple days
[21:01] <cwillu> running uxa
[21:01] <andresmh> cwillu, not toooo bad. Are there specific things that make it crash?
[21:02] <ezzieyguygwuf> andresmh: because i want to upgrade but don't want to wait
[21:02] <cwillu> andresmh, not that I've noticed really.  Honestly, we're more concerned about exa at this point :p
[21:02] <andresmh> cwillu, is this UXA unstability documented in some launchpad bug? I'd like to subscribe to it
[21:03] <cwillu> andresmh, there's a whole whack of intel bugs right now, just do a search for your chipset and uxa
[21:03] <cwillu> but note that uxa bugs aren't getting much if any attention for this release
[21:04] <andresmh> cwillu, cool... what is UXA and EXA after all?
[21:04] <andresmh> modes of operation of X?
[21:04] <cwillu> acceleration architectures
[21:05] <bercik> Hello, why me Jockey doesnt show me fglrx driver to install (I am on Kubuntu RC)
[21:05] <cwillu> bercik, what video card are you running?  (chipset?)
[21:06] <andresmh> so are all major Linux distros affected by this Intel graphics issues? are distros like Gentoo or Arch not affected by them?
[21:06] <cwillu> andresmh, it's a combination of the kernel we're using, the fact that intel is moving to uxa pretty heavily, and gem support being quite new
[21:06] <bercik> cwillu: Ati radeon x300 mobility (M22), on i.e. Interpid it was ok
[21:07] <crdlb> :/ why isn't that in the release notes?
[21:07] <cwillu> crdlb, I know, I was just looking for that :/
[21:08] <cwillu> bercik, you need to use the open driver, as ati dropped support for older cards on the fglrx release that works with xorg 1.6, which we're using
[21:09] <cwillu> bercik, it should be working better than it used to though, there's been lots of improvements on the open driver
[21:09] <Nirrad1st> Hello, I was just wondering. When the full release comes out in a couple of days, will I have to re install from scratch or can The release candidate be up graded? And how  would I upgrade?
[21:09] <bercik> i need a good performance, what fglrx offers. And i am almost sure x300 is still supported
[21:09] <cwillu> Nirrad1st, normal package upgrade, nothing special
[21:10] <Nirrad1st> ok great thanks
[21:10] <cwillu> bercik, no, they're not, and the open driver's performance has been dramatically improved lately
[21:10] <cwillu> bug #284408
[21:10] <bercik> ok, so how could i install open driver?
[21:10]  * cwillu pokes ubottu with a stick
[21:11] <thiebaude> 284408
[21:11] <cwillu> bercik, I _think_ you should already be running it, but check that xorg.conf is either largely empty, or has a driver "ati" or driver "radeon" in the device section (either works, they're equivilent)
[21:11] <cwillu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/284408
[21:11] <cwillu> r3xx Hardware does not work with fglrx [EPR#257839]
[21:11] <cwillu> Targeted to  Jaunty   	  Won't Fix   	 Medium
[21:11] <bercik> ah.. i got about 1500 FPS, it sould be almost 3000
[21:12] <cwillu> fps in glxgears?  that doesn't mean much :p
[21:12] <cwillu> or anything, really
[21:12] <bercik> so i am goona try
[21:13] <crdlb> especially between different drivers
[21:13] <cwillu> bercik, consider this as an object lesson in the hazards of proprietary drivers :p
[21:13] <bercik> :)
[21:14] <bercik> Shouldnt fglrx-installer be in package manager?
[21:14] <minimec> bercik: Your card is not supported anymore... http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.2&product=<IP_ADDRESS>.4&lang=English
[21:14] <cwillu> bercik, xorg-driver-fglrx and company
[21:15] <cwillu> crdlb, hmm, I guess we have two sets of release notes :p
[21:15] <bercik> minimec: damn... they f**ked me now:*
[21:15] <bercik> :P
[21:15] <cwillu> crdlb, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes doesn't mention it, but http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904overview#X.Org%20server%201.6 does
[21:16] <minimec> bercik: I am in the same situation as you ... Give the OS driver a chance. They will improve and there is Gallium *D to come...
[21:16] <bercik> You know, i was alraedy trying to install xorg-driver-fglr, but my X crashed
[21:17] <minimec> 3D ...
[21:17] <bercik> I want to give it a chance, but i have got problems with it
[21:17] <matisse> which device I have to choose for command-line burning?
[21:17] <crdlb> cwillu: it still doesn't explicitly mention the drop in support :)
[21:17] <matisse> /dev/cdrw is ok?
[21:18] <crdlb> just "for R6xx/R7xx"
[21:18] <cwillu> crdlb, what, saying that r6xx and r7xx can use fglrx isn't enough? :p
[21:18] <cwillu> crdlb, I'm reopening the release-notes target on the above bug :p
[21:19] <minimec> bercik: So you have to step back to intrpid or hardy. I have a x1250 working on intrepid.
[21:20] <bercik> minimec: maybe i just have problems with it. I installed xorg-driver-fglrx and Xorg crashed
[21:20] <bercik> Could You send me any good guide to do it?
[21:21] <cwillu> bercik, that's just the fglrx driver, which is the proprietary driver that we just told doesn't work with your card anymore :p
[21:21] <cwillu> bercik, you already have xserver-xorg-video-ati installed
[21:21] <cwillu> which is the one you need to use in jaunty
[21:21] <bercik> ah.. so it is NOT open!:D
[21:21] <cwillu> bercik, that's the problem!
[21:21] <cwillu> bercik, the open driver work fine
[21:22] <bercik> so once again: Could You send me any good guide to OPEN driver please?
[21:22] <cwillu> fglrx == ati's proprietary driver.  ati == the open source driver for ati's hardware
[21:22] <cwillu> bercik, you're almost certainly already running it
[21:22] <minimec> bercik: In a console 'sudo apt-get remove fglrx*' 2.) 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' 3.) sudo reboot
[21:25] <bercik> Ok, i have it done. Now i am going to check if it works. See You if it does:)
[21:30] <bercik> OK, it does:)
[21:31] <bercik> But not without problem. Look please http://rafb.net/p/HdkqsJ74.html
[21:32] <cwillu> bercik, repeat after me:
[21:32] <cwillu> bercik, "glxgears is not a benchmark"
[21:32] <bercik> I dont mean FPS
[21:32] <bercik> i mean the last two lines
[21:33] <cwillu> did it crash, or was that you closing the window?
[21:33] <bercik> cwillu: yes, i closed the window, but i never saw it i.e. On Gentoo
[21:34] <thiebaude> guess what everyone my x freezing is fixed
[21:34] <cwillu> bercik, that's normal when you close the window like that
[21:34] <cwillu> probably just a different default verbosity setting
[21:35] <bercik> if it is...
[21:35] <bercik> thank You :)
[21:35] <cwillu> bercik, try compiz :p
[21:35] <thiebaude> cwillu, i edit my xorg.conf and added "DRI" and "off" to the device section and it works now
[21:36] <bercik> cwillu: Why?
[21:36]  * BUGabundo remains hidden from cwillu stick
[21:37] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ping
[21:37] <cwillu> bercik, better test of performance
[21:38] <BUGabundo> dtchen: did you know that hibernate /resume cycles totally mess pulse audio?
[21:38] <bercik> cwillu: ah .) i only use KWin
[21:38] <thiebaude> its nice to finally have a 9.04 desktop
[21:39] <minimec> cwillu: Hehe... Let me try that. I that  "Option" "DRI" "off" or just "DRI" "off"?
[21:39] <dtchen> BUGabundo: that's not pulseaudio's fault; that's alsa-kernel's
[21:39] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ahhh. do I need to file a bug?
[21:39] <dtchen> BUGabundo: probably not; there are at least a dozen against linux
[21:39] <BUGabundo> totem will not play now.... kmail neither! pidgin does work! and so does mplayer
[21:40] <cwillu> minimec, ati shouldn't have to turn off dri
[21:40] <minimec> cwillu: THX
[21:40] <dtchen> BUGabundo: you should be able to restart pulseaudio (killall pulseaudio && start-pulseaudio-x11)
[21:43] <thiebaude> minimec: yea and performance is great
[21:45] <BUGabundo> lol found a new bug
[21:45] <BUGabundo> cwillu or anyone else can you guys confirm:
[21:45] <BUGabundo> open system monitor and try to KILL a process owned by root
[21:45] <BUGabundo> it *should* ask for GKSU, but mine crashs
[21:46] <cwillu> checkibng
[21:46] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:46] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: hi
[21:46] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: hi
[21:46] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: can you confirm this: open system monitor and try to KILL a process owned by root
[21:46] <BUGabundo>  it *should* ask for GKSU, but mine crashs
[21:47] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: and it seems 9.04 uses less system resources
[21:47] <BUGabundo> yep I notice that too
[21:47] <thiebaude> its been 3 months since this had been broken
[21:47] <minimec> BUGabundo: thiebaude: I can confirm that Jaunty runs rather smooth...
[21:47] <cwillu> BUGabundo, yep, crashes
[21:48] <BUGabundo> cwillu thanks
[21:48] <thiebaude> minimec: so everything went ok
[21:48] <BUGabundo> filling bug
[21:48] <thiebaude> thanks for that link by someone earlier about the release notes
[21:50] <minimec> thiebaude: I have some random system freeces with Jaunty, but I guess it is compiz related and not GPU/xorg.conf ...
[21:51] <minimec> -c+z ..
[21:51] <thiebaude> minimec: i was reading in the release notes to turn off compiz until a fix is found
[21:51] <thiebaude> my intel 815 cant run compiz
[21:52] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/+bug/364843
[21:52] <minimec> thiebaude: I am on a testing installation here, so I don't mind.
[21:53] <thiebaude> minimec: and i know when my 9.04 cd arrives i'll do a clean install
[21:54] <michaeldelaney> Hi, quick question: if I'm running Jaunty Alpha/RC and I just keep running all the available updates up to and after the release of Jaunty, will I have the real Jaunty, or do I need to do a dist-upgrade?
[21:55] <thiebaude> michaeldelaney: as long as you keep doing the updates
[21:55] <minimec> thiebaude: why? They will install the fix in the package update. No reason to do a clean install...
[21:55] <thiebaude> minimec: thats true
[21:55] <FoolsRun> bleh. irssi for the lose.
[21:55] <BUGabundo> FoolsRun: YES
[21:55] <FoolsRun> BUGabundo: yes to which part?
[21:56] <BUGabundo> FoolsRun: to running updates (via update-manager
[21:56] <BluesKaj> FoolsRun , if you keep up the upgrades, you'll have the official release when it comes out on thurs
[21:56] <FoolsRun> BUGabundo: I have been, regularly, I was just wondering if the Alpha and RC versions of Jaunty were technically a different distro than the final
[21:56] <FoolsRun> okay, great
[21:56] <FoolsRun> BluesKaj: thanks
[21:57] <BluesKaj> np :)
[21:57] <thiebaude> hi BluesKaj
[21:57] <BluesKaj> hi thiebaude
[21:57] <FoolsRun> Then I get the joy of running a dist-upgrade on my server and finding out what it breaks :)
[21:57] <wirechief-live-k> if anyone is looking for an alternative to downloading the daily build for a fix with the usb startup disk program see [Bug 276822] Re: busybox with (initramfs) / boot: / kernel not found
[21:57] <BUGabundo> FoolsRun: NO
[21:58] <minimec> FoolsRun: Use Debian Lenny or Ubuntu HArdy on a server and fool around with your worksatations... ;)
[21:58] <BluesKaj> FoolsRun , don't run dist-upgrade ...you already have the distribution , just need the upgrade
[21:59] <FoolsRun> BluesKaj: sorry, I'm talking about two different machines here.
[21:59] <Hammer89> are there any known issues with the 9.04 Beta and ATI GPU's? (I got a warning when I tried to install it about how I'm using fglrx and how it isn't available on 9.04
[21:59] <FoolsRun> minimec: I use the term "server" loosely. It's just a file/print/web/media-center machine I keep in the house. Doesn't do anything critical and I'm an early-adopter to a fault :)
[22:00] <BUGabundo> FoolsRun: upgrade the server with $ do-release-upgrade -d
[22:00] <FoolsRun> BUGabundo: what's the difference?
[22:01] <for3st> there is no 32bit edition of jaunty server.. correct?
[22:01] <tormod> BluesKaj: dist-upgrade installs extra packages to satisfy dependencies, upgrade does not
[22:01] <minimec> FoolsRun: So it's more or less a well configured workstation. Once you have done the dist-upgrade you are using the version you upgraded to. The rest is just package update from the repository...
[22:02] <BluesKaj> !dist-upgrade
[22:02] <FoolsRun> You know what, I'll probably just use the dist-upgrade button in the gui and see how that goes.
[22:03] <BUGabundo> for3st: there should be! why are you saying that?
[22:03] <tormod> I think you are mixing up dist-upgrade and release-upgrade
[22:03] <minimec> Hammer89: These cards have no Jaunty support anymore http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.7&product=<IP_ADDRESS>.3.3.1&lang=English
[22:03] <FoolsRun> (plus making that rule for myself will keep me from trying to do a distro upgrade from work which last time hosed my machine pretty badly :) )
[22:03] <BUGabundo> FoolsRun: ubuntu is not like debian. distupgrade won't change release
[22:06] <Hammer89> minimec: I have an ATI Radeon Xpress 200M... which isn't on that list
[22:06] <Hammer89> minimec: wait.. it is on the list...
[22:06] <Hammer89> minimec: I assume this means it would be unwise for me to upgrade?
[22:06] <tormod> Hammer89: Xpress 200M should work fine with the opensource (and default) ati driver
[22:07] <tormod> those cards have no _proprietary driver_ support in Jaunty
[22:07] <for3st> BUGabundo: on preordering ship cd's , if you request jaunty server cd, says only 64bit version.. you can't choose as far as i can see.
[22:07] <Hammer89> tormod: Ah... yeah, I got a message saying 9.04 doesn't support fglrx
[22:08] <aLeSD> hi all
[22:08] <aLeSD> why I can't find cinelerra in the repository ?
[22:08] <minimec> Hammer89: If you are happy with hardy or intrepid... Never change a running system. I guess that there will be a lot of chages in the open source driver, as ATI released the specs for all these cards, specially the newer ones...
[22:08] <thots> Hammer89: Xpress 200m works fine here with the xorg radeon driver, 3d is slow though but works
[22:08] <Lasivian> how can I stop all windows from opening "mazimized"? the 9.04 netbook image does this by default and it's annoying the shit out of me
[22:09] <deany> anyone running vbox PUEL 2.2 from vbox site.. its an intrepid AND jaunty deb.  safe?
[22:09] <Hammer89> How is your performance compared to Intrepid?
[22:09] <minimec> Hammer89: Maybe wait until 9.10. I have a x1250 running here and I stay with driver 9.02!
[22:09] <tormod> "never change a running system" lol - you realize we're in #ubuntu+1 :)
[22:09] <RichardWolfVI> Hello, Jaunty is on RC, and just two days away from release, but X is crashing when playing videos, no matter which player I'm using.
[22:09] <BUGabundo> aLeSD: because its not there?
[22:09] <tormod> RichardWolfVI: intel GPU?
[22:09] <RichardWolfVI> tormod: Yes
[22:09] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: Intel GPU?
[22:09] <aLeSD> lol
[22:09] <Hammer89> minimec: I have a bad habit/addiction with staying on the bleeding edge
[22:09] <tormod> bhow could I guess
[22:10]  * BUGabundo hears an eco from tormod
[22:10] <RichardWolfVI> INtel GMA X3500
[22:10] <RichardWolfVI> *Intel
[22:10] <minimec> Hammer89: 9.02 is the official relase number of the ATI driver of february 09
[22:10] <BluesKaj> tormod , the dist-upgrade command may have been effective in the past but it hasn't been doing  a proper job lately  ,  apt-get upgrade and aptitude safe-upgrade have worked ok, without too many probs so far.
[22:10] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: what file system? ext4 ?
[22:10] <RichardWolfVI> BUGabundo: ext3, as far as I'm concerned
[22:10] <Lasivian> tormod: After april 23rd what do we talk about in here?
[22:10] <Lasivian> Ubuntu 10.x?
[22:10] <RichardWolfVI> Killer Kangaroo :P
[22:10] <kklimonda> Lasivian: 9.10
[22:10] <RichardWolfVI> X'D
[22:11] <Lasivian> kklimonda: it is out yet in any form?
[22:11] <tormod> Lasivian: after release this channel is aliased to "ubuntu" for a while, then it reopens for 9.10
[22:11] <Lasivian> ahh, ok
[22:11] <BUGabundo> Lasivian: it will be closed for a while!
[22:11]  * tormod hears echos :)
[22:11] <minimec> Hammer89: I tried the Jaunty Live CD with my x1250. THe OPenSource driver was not was not able to display 1680x1050
[22:11] <BUGabundo> tormod: please stop !! eheeehehehehe
[22:12] <Hammer89> minimec: I'm running 1280x800
[22:12] <bercik> cwillu: My Guild Wars game, doesnt run well with the open driver. Is it its fault or my conf?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> 2nd time? that's too much eehehe
[22:12] <tormod> minimec: you should file a bug
[22:12] <minimec> Hammer89: That should go.
[22:12] <RichardWolfVI> BUGabundo, tormod: any ideas?
[22:12] <Hammer89> I guess I'll try it out...  I'll just reinstall Intrepid
[22:14] <Hammer89> is running upgrade-manager -d an advisable method for installing 9.04?
[22:14] <minimec> tormod: There is so much going on with the ATI OpenSource driver and the x1250 integrated chipset was (and is) sold for intel and ati solutions. I guess we have to wait a little bit... But I will file a bug in 9.10 ...
[22:14] <dtchen> Hammer89: yes
[22:14] <kklimonda> Hammer89: sure - most of the 9.04 release is ready.
[22:14] <tormod> BluesKaj: dist-upgrade always worked fine with me. but when it says it's gonna remove a lot of seemingly important packages, I wait a bit and "update"'s again.
[22:14] <RichardWolfVI> BUGabundo: I'm aware there are bugs, where should I start?
[22:15] <kklimonda> RichardWolfVI: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel
[22:15] <Hammer89> alrighty... upgrade has begun. Hopefully I wont find any reason to return here... cya
[22:16] <tormod> RichardWolfVI: or read the last days' logs for #ubuntu-x. I have heard about your problem somewhere.
[22:16] <whattey> is upgrade-manager -d how u do it from terminal? thinking of upgrading myself
[22:16] <pastah> yo
[22:16] <pastah> i have a bug report
[22:16] <dtchen> whattey: do-release-upgrade -d
[22:16] <BluesKaj> tormod , I never heard that apt-get upgrade didn't bring required dependencies along with it ..perhaps the sources.list was wrongly edited
[22:16] <kklimonda> !bug > pastah
[22:17] <tormod> BluesKaj: I was unclear: I mean "upgrade" will not update packages whose dependencies will bring in new or remove packages
[22:17] <tormod> *whose _new_ dependencies
[22:17] <BUGabundo> whattey: yes it works from both cli and alt+F2
[22:17] <cwillu> whattey, sudo apt-get install update-manager-core; sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[22:17] <BUGabundo> whattey: please read the release notes BEFORE upgrading
[22:18] <BUGabundo> whattey: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[22:18] <RichardWolfVI> tormod: Where are such logs
[22:18] <RichardWolfVI> ?
[22:18] <tormod> RichardWolfVI: irclogs.ubuntu.com
[22:19] <pastah> WTF!?!?
[22:19] <pastah> i don't want to register to report a bug!
[22:19] <BUGabundo> pastah: its required
[22:19] <BUGabundo> pastah: what seems to be your prob?
[22:19] <pastah> fuck, here i try to do good, and i'm met by obstacles
[22:20] <tormod> RichardWolfVI: actually bemasc in #intel-gfx just asked about the same
[22:20] <tormod> right now
[22:20] <pastah> kinda kills my good spirit
[22:20] <BluesKaj> !language | pastah
[22:20] <cwillu> aptitude full-upgrade is preferred over apt-get dist-upgrade, it handles dependencies better
[22:20] <cwillu> neither should be used directly to upgrade between releases
[22:21] <pastah> BUGabundo: trying to install with wubi in swedish Vista Business (64 bit)
[22:21] <BUGabundo> cwillu correction update-manager is the recommended
[22:21] <pastah> then i get a typ error for a call to "writelines()"
[22:21] <cwillu> BUGabundo, addition, not correction :p
[22:21] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:22] <pastah> this only happends whin i want to install ubuntu in another language than swedish
[22:22] <BUGabundo> pastah: well that account won't hurt you too much will it?
[22:22] <pastah> BUGabundo: yes it will
[22:22] <pastah> fuck this, i'll install freeBSD insead
[22:22] <whattey> upgrading now \o/ hope not too much breaks ;D
[22:22] <BUGabundo> one less troll
[22:23] <kklimonda> *nods*
[22:23] <BUGabundo> whattey: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[22:23] <cwillu> wait, did he just say that he was going to install bsd because _wubi_ didn't work!?
[22:23] <thiebaude> lol,wubi in windows too
[22:23] <BUGabundo> cwillu don't know! let me read it letter by letter
[22:23] <BluesKaj> good luck witrh bsd ,,if he can't handle wubi , he's in trouble already :)
[22:23] <whattey> aye reading it now
[22:24] <RichardWolfVI> !paste
[22:25] <mphill> Are the karmic repos created when the tool chain is uploaded?
[22:26] <BUGabundo> mphill: yes
[22:26] <dtchen> they're created before the toolchain is uploaded.
[22:26] <dtchen> (they have to exist before any uploads can occur)
[22:27] <mphill> i need karmic
[22:27] <dtchen> s/need/want/
[22:27] <mphill> i'm an ubuntu addict
[22:27] <dtchen> well, you could help with iso testing
[22:27] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:28] <BUGabundo> mphill: use PPAs
[22:28] <mphill> BUGabundo: you should pastebin yours
[22:28] <tormod> mphill: run debian unstable
[22:28] <BUGabundo> some ppl seem to think we need a rolling disto like debian sid
[22:28] <mphill> sid
[22:28] <BUGabundo> mphill: don't want to scare you
[22:28] <mphill> i think they mentioned something liek sid a few years back
[22:28] <dtchen> "grumpy"
[22:28] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:29] <BUGabundo> dtchen: is that the new unstable?
[22:29] <mphill> i would like KMS
[22:29] <dtchen> no
[22:29] <mphill> and brtfs
[22:29] <mphill> maybe oracle will change the license on zfs and dtrace
[22:30] <dtchen> geez, can we get any more buzzwords tossed about in here? ;-)
[22:30] <bercik> Is it possible, that open ati driver couses Guild Wars crash using wine ?
[22:31] <dtchen> bercik: yes, it's possible.
[22:32] <bercik> dtchen: so, "bye bye" games on Linux? i cannot use fglrx
[22:33] <kklimonda> berbmit: it's hard to say - you should try to debug crash and file bug report..
[22:35] <cwillu> bercik, again, welcome to the world of proprietary stuff that we can't really support.  Might check winehq if there's anything relevant though, if it's the application that's crashing, it's really more likely to be a fault in the app or in wine
[22:36] <kklimonda> berbmit: also make sure that you are using the most recent version of wine
[22:36] <cwillu> I mean, yes, changing the driver shows the fault, so the driver is at fault, but....
[22:36] <ienorand> Slight problem here... 45 broken packages, apt-get segfaults when run, synaptic wants to uninstall half my system if I try to fix broken packages...
[22:36] <kklimonda> berbmit: there is ppa for wine on LP. Also winehq provides repository for ubuntu/debian
[22:36] <cwillu> ienorand, during an upgrade from 8.10?
[22:36] <bercik> cwillu: i play GW since years, always was ok with fglrx driver, never with open once
[22:37] <cwillu> bercik, doesn't mean a thing though
[22:37] <Volkodav_> ber2
[22:37] <kklimonda> ienorand: paste your sources.list on http://paste.ubuntu.com/, also message from apt-get would be helpful
[22:38] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: is there a ppa? what is it?
[22:38] <deany> anyone running vbox PUEL 2.2 from vbox site.. its an intrepid AND jaunty deb.  safe?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> I thought Scott only kept a version on winehq
[22:38] <mphill> go to winehq.org
[22:38] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine
[22:39] <ienorand> cwillu: Just running jaunty now... I had a hiccup with ro-mounting filesystem before but after a manual fsck from recovery mode it seemed to work fine... Hmm, stuff like core-utils, cron and dbus (to mention a few) being broken doesn't bode well...
[22:39] <dtchen> deany: yes, it's safe
[22:40] <dtchen> deany: it'll use dkms to build the kernel modules for jaunty's kernel headers
[22:40] <kklimonda> ienorand: it doesn't sound good - can you show us whole error message and your sources.list?
[22:40] <dtchen> deany: and yes, i'm using it right now for iso testing of ubuntu studio
[22:41] <yoasif> somewhat OT, but what would stop a release happening in two days?
[22:41] <deany> dtchen, thanks
[22:41] <dtchen> yoasif: nuclear holocaust
[22:42] <ienorand> kklimonda: Do you know how I can list broken packages using terminal? I can't get them in nice output from synaptic... sources.list :: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/RUQ1LJ
[22:44] <Picklesworth> Hey... has anyone else noticed notify-osd's bubbles being invisible, from time to time?
[22:44] <Picklesworth> Especially volume control ones. Usually if the mouse has been motionless for a while, the notification bubble just doesn't appear.
[22:44] <kklimonda> ienorand: hmm.. how are they broken?  Mouse is on the other side of the screen.
[22:46] <BUGabundo> Picklesworth: I've noticed it sometimes I get 2 volume bubles
[22:46] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: does it still only shows `dpkg --configure -a' ?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> it was fixed to add SUDO
[22:47] <ienorand> http://www.mibbit.com/pb/Tukrpq < this is what happens to apt kklimonda
[22:47] <Picklesworth> Funny thing with my problem is the bubbles will appear if I mouse over where they should be, so it's like they are starting with alpha set to 0 but still very much exist
[22:48] <kklimonda> ienorand: oh.. and what happens when you do ``sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'' ?
[22:48] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: i don't know :). I never really stop to read it. :)
 cwillu: Just running jaunty now... I had a hiccup with ro-mounting filesystem before but after a manual fsck from recovery mode it seemed to work fine... Hmm, stuff like core-utils, cron and dbus (to mention a few) being broken doesn't bode well...
[22:48] <cwillu> ienorand, what was the hiccup?
[22:49] <cwillu> ienorand, fsck just gets the filesystem itself in a good state, it doesn't say anything about the contents of the file system
[22:49] <BUGabundo> ienorand: do you get just dpkg --configure -a or sudo dpkg --configure -a?
[22:49] <cwillu> ienorand, if apt or dpkg was in the middle of writing something, I'm not surprised that things are in that state
[22:49] <BUGabundo> if the 1st then it's a regression
[22:50] <ienorand> Hmm. strange... seems to have been a temporary hiccup, now after running apt-get update everything is fine, seemingly
[22:51] <BUGabundo> ienorand: I got that some months agot
[22:51] <BUGabundo> looked like a corrupted apt DB, but then it just worked
[22:52] <ienorand> Oh, the thing before was that in the middle of operation I culdn't write to sources.list (hmm, but I think I've run update since then...) and then as I rebooted I got several warning about system being read-only, then it booted up read only and I had to go into recovery... running manual fsck...
[22:54] <ienorand> It may be that my usb stick doesn't like having ubuntu run from it directly...
[22:54] <kklimonda> oh, you have installed it on usbstick?
[22:55] <ienorand> kklimonda: Yea, I boot and run of it... and I did disable swap an put tmp in ram... but I guess it might be taxing still...
[22:56] <kklimonda> ienorand: It is possible that something has happened and kernel decided to remount filesystem in read only mode. It has happened to me few times when I was using cheap usb pendrive (but it was vfat partiton)
[22:59] <ienorand> kklimonda: True, but as I ran fsck it prompted several times for correcting inconsistencies (I don't know how much ss normal though...), I'm running this one on ext4, so I guess I'm begging for it...
[22:59] <Szadek> hello everybody , i really need help ... i upgraded to jaunty rc and sound dont work anymore =/ someone can help???
[23:00] <nemo> Szadek: what release were you using before that?
[23:00] <dtchen> Szadek: first, ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, ...?
[23:00] <Szadek> 8.10 intrepid
[23:00] <Szadek> ubuntu
[23:00] <Szadek> i have also kde 4.2 installed
[23:00] <dtchen> Szadek: ok, first thing you should do is open a Terminal and use alsamixer
[23:01] <dtchen> Szadek: make sure you do not have Master, PCM, Front, or Surround muted or zeroed
[23:01] <Szadek> in alsa mixer everything fine
[23:03] <Szadek> http://pastebin.ca/11 here is my aplay -l output
[23:03] <kklimonda> wrong link
[23:04] <Szadek> sorry for that
[23:06] <Szadek> szadek@Leviathan:~$ aplay -l
[23:06] <Szadek> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[23:06] <Szadek> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
[23:06] <Szadek>   Subdevices: 0/1
[23:06] <Szadek>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[23:06] <Szadek> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: STAC92xx Digital [STAC92xx Digital]
[23:06] <Szadek>   Subdevices: 1/1
[23:06] <Szadek>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[23:06] <Szadek> here is
[23:06] <Chr|s> whoa!
[23:06] <Szadek> my pastbin is not working also lool
[23:06] <Chr|s> !enter | Szadek
[23:06] <Szadek> sorry for flooding
[23:06] <Zelut> so I installed 9.04 RC today and my audio is all h0rked. Is the current suggested trick to pull out Pulse?
[23:07] <Chr|s> !pastebin | Szadek
[23:07] <Chr|s> for the future :)
[23:07] <BUGabundo> zelut where are you ?
[23:07] <Szadek> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/155585/
[23:08] <Szadek> working =)
[23:08] <Zelut> BUGabundo: excuse me?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> hey!
[23:08] <BUGabundo> you need to ping dtchen
[23:08] <BUGabundo> he has one nick here and another on identica
[23:08] <Zelut> dtchen: ping
[23:08] <dtchen> Zelut: pong
[23:09] <dtchen> Szadek: that's not enough info to diagnose.
[23:09] <Zelut> dtchen: as you can see, I was referred your way for an audio issue.
[23:09] <Szadek> dtchen what else you need ??
[23:09] <Zelut> dtchen: just installed 9.04RC today, applied all updates. I get playback on login (the drums) but nothing beyond that.
[23:09] <Picklesworth> Hooray! Audio has magically become crackle free on my end :)
[23:09] <dtchen> Szadek: please use (in a Terminal): ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[23:09] <dtchen> Szadek: please use that command to file a bug, and then tell me the bug #
[23:10] <Picklesworth> (Just confirmed it, realizing I was listening to music without cringing)
[23:10] <dtchen> Zelut: sounds like either your mixer volumes are muted/zeroed, or PA is using the wrong sink(s)
[23:10] <dtchen> Zelut: sounds like either your mixer volumes are muted/zeroed, or PA is using the wrong sink(s)
[23:10] <dtchen> ok then
[23:11] <Zelut> dtchen: Master, PCM and Front are unmuted. 100%. PC Beep is muted.
[23:11] <dtchen> Zelut: what's the output from: pactl stat|grep ^D
[23:11] <Zelut> dtchen: http://pastebin.com/d3e0e9bb4
[23:12] <dtchen> Zelut: please pastebin output from: amixer
[23:13] <Zelut> dtchen: http://pastebin.com/d25744159
[23:13] <Zelut> dtchen: interesting.. I'm getting sound from last.fm, but not Skype
[23:15] <BUGabundo> ahh skype!
[23:15] <Zelut> dtchen: ..and setting Skype to "pulse" now fixes that..
[23:15] <BUGabundo> Zelut: where is that skype from?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> Zelut: even Mic ?
[23:15] <Zelut> BUGabundo: I did skype from Medibuntu. no mic support yet..
[23:16] <Zelut> BUGabundo: ohh, those were just muted.
[23:16] <Szadek> dtchen : Bug #364879 =)
[23:16] <dtchen> there will be a new version of Skype soon with PulseAudio support
[23:17] <Zelut> dtchen: BUGabundo: I guess I got it. I guess I assumed/blamed Pulse too quickly.
[23:17] <kklimonda> sigh, sound is so borked for me since pulseaudio transition that I don't even care about it anymore.. :/
[23:17] <kklimonda> well, my internal mic is borked but still.. ;}
[23:18] <dtchen> Szadek: in a Terminal: amixer set 'Analog Loopback',0 mute && amixer set 'Analog Loopback',1 mute
[23:19] <Szadek> done
[23:19] <Szadek> and now ?
[23:19] <dtchen> Szadek: speaker-test -c2
[23:20] <BUGabundo> Zelut: I have better luck with medibuntu skype-static
[23:20] <BUGabundo> I'm on 64 bits, so it helps
[23:21] <Szadek> it is doing something ... i didint stopped yet
[23:21] <Szadek> it didnt *
[23:21] <dtchen> Szadek: right, so it's probably going to the wrong sink
[23:21] <dtchen> Szadek: can you confirm at least the following is audible? speaker-test -c2 -Dplughw:0
[23:22] <Zelut> wtf. I unmute my mic, close volume control, re-open and its muted again
[23:22] <Szadek> no sound happening ....... it says : Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
[23:22] <dtchen> Szadek: try: pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2 -Dplughw:0
[23:24] <Szadek> nothing happened , also says Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
[23:24] <dtchen> Szadek: sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[23:24] <Zelut> ok. what the hell. I made a Skype test call and it worked. now I can't get it to work again.
[23:25] <dtchen> skype does dumb things behind the user's back with mixer controls.
[23:25] <Szadek> done and now ?
[23:25] <dtchen> Szadek: pastebin the output, please
[23:26] <Szadek> dtchen :http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/155592/
[23:26] <BUGabundo> Zelut: so is that identica avatar yours?
[23:27] <Zelut> BUGabundo: is it me? no. i found it someplace and thought it was funny.
[23:27] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:27] <darthanubis> Install cds boot on my machine, but once I press "install" the screen goes blank with an upper left underscore cursor.
[23:27] <Szadek> i should refer this , is happening in gnome & kde
[23:27] <darthanubis> Same disk i installed 9.04 before I put windows on this machine
[23:28] <nemo> darthanubis: do any of the other boot options work?
[23:28] <darthanubis> after I installed windows first, now the ubuntu install cd for desktop and alternate will not get to the install screen
[23:28] <dtchen> Szadek: pkill knotify4
[23:28] <darthanubis> although the same disk(s) work on my other nvidia enabled 64bit machine
[23:28] <Szadek> done and now ?
[23:28] <darthanubis> nemo, no, I tried check this cd for defects...wait
[23:28] <darthanubis> I think the memtest runs
[23:28] <darthanubis> but not sure at this point
[23:29] <nemo> darthanubis: I was thinking more a safe boot
[23:29] <nemo> say with acpi=off and noapic
[23:29] <nemo> although odd that it worked before windows install
[23:29] <nemo> that should be unrelated
[23:29] <dtchen> Szadek: retry the speaker-test command
[23:29] <Szadek> again Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
[23:30] <darthanubis> nemo, I know. I'd hate to wipe my fresh xp64bit install that I setup for gaming, just to see if I can get 9.04 back on this machine
[23:31] <darthanubis> all my other install disks from other distros works fine
[23:31] <darthanubis> I'll try safe boot
[23:32] <Szadek> dtchen :again Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy : i tried the two commands you gave
[23:34] <wirechief-live-k> Szadek: maybe this will let you see whats making it busy...lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*
[23:35] <Szadek> wirechief-live-k http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/155595/
[23:35] <dtchen> Szadek: please wait a few minutes; i'll need to walk through this with you when i'm finished iso testing
[23:36] <Szadek> ok dtchen =)
[23:37] <Skapare> darthanubis: the order of installation I find works best when making dual-boot windows+linux systems is do partitions first, then install windows, then install linux
[23:38] <Zelut> dtchen: ok. I'm stuck on no input..
[23:38] <wirechief-live-k> Szadek: well that tells a bit of a story ..best to wait on dtchen
[23:38] <Skapare> and windows goes on the first partition of the first drive
[23:38] <Szadek> wirechief-live-k : he is my hope on this =) i need my music to live lool
[23:40] <wirechief-live-k> Szadek: there is a similar bug with no sound on a HP not sure if its related. 363870
[23:40] <wirechief-live-k> bug 363870
[23:44] <dtchen> wirechief-live-k: it's not related. different hardware (HDA codecs revisions)
[23:45] <dtchen> Szadek: your bug is a kernel one; it's a jack sense regression
[23:45] <dtchen> Szadek: you should be able to work around it by using the latest alsa-driver git snapshot
[23:45] <dtchen> Szadek: i'll see what i can do to get the fixes into an SRU post-jaunty-release
[23:46] <Szadek> ohh well i think if i have to compile im lost lool but ill try the script that installs the alsa driver 1.0.19
[23:46] <Szadek> someone posted that on the bug that wirechief said so lets see if it helps
[23:46] <dtchen> 1.0.19 is too old
[23:47] <dtchen> you need current git
[23:47] <Szadek> i have 1.0.18 installed maybe this is the reason
[23:47] <kklimonda> dtchen: there is no ppa with this? More people may come and ask about it and making them compiling alsa-driver from source isn't good idea..
[23:48] <Szadek> Driver version:     1.0.18rc3 // Utilities version:  1.0.18
[23:48] <dtchen> kklimonda: there is no ppa, and doing it in a ppa is the wrong way.
[23:48] <Othor> none of my nautilus scripts are working, is this a known issue?
[23:48] <kklimonda> dtchen: so we should just tell people to wait for sru?
[23:48] <dtchen> kklimonda: it's a linux bug, not an alsa-driver one. note the subtlety: in ubuntu, bugs against alsa-driver are only useful for scripts. actual "no sound" issues are really either linux or pulseaudio.
[23:49] <dtchen> kklimonda: no, they should continue to file bugs against linux, and the bugs will be triaged appropriately
[23:49] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:50] <dtchen> kklimonda: for the appropriate bugs, i'll work on getting the fixes backported for SRUs
[23:50] <kklimonda> dtchen: ok, thanks.
[23:50] <dtchen> any fix that requires a massive change is obviously nixed for an SRU
[23:51] <Szadek> humm , let me try reboot with last kernel before updated to jaunty ... brb ............
[23:51] <kklimonda> dtchen: as we are already on this topic - my internal mic gathers more noise than my voice.. ;}
[23:51] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: reduce Boost?
[23:51] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: then i can hardly hear myself.
[23:52] <dtchen> kklimonda: without knowing additional details, i have no idea
[23:52] <BUGabundo> its a sensitive issue
[23:52] <BUGabundo> when I use a mouth mic I have no trouble
[23:52] <BUGabundo> with built in I have to fine tune until it wors
[23:52] <kklimonda> dtchen: how can i gather more info? I don't feel comfortable with linux sound system :)
[23:53] <dtchen> kklimonda: either "ubuntu-bug alsa-base", or use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[23:53] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I was trying to tune it for few hours doing some weird voodoo magic and nothing really helped.
[23:53] <kklimonda> dtchen: fine, i'll do it tomorrow
[23:54] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I like to have pauvcontrol... it helps me watch how load it goes