[00:00] <zykotick9> pmp6nl: expect issues ;)
[00:00] <sokak> zykotick9, thats the point, when i try to get the manpage of getlibs, it points me to man 7 undocumented
[00:00] <zykotick9> pmp6nl: best to disable all PPAs, upgrade, and then readd the PPAs (i think the install does that automatically though ;)
[00:00] <sokak> also no luck googling
[00:00] <pmp6nl> zykotick9, ok ill try, or maybe i will just reinstall everything
[00:01] <trism> synackfin: aptitude search ~o
[00:01] <wylde> pndemc_: so basically it's controlled completely remotely, using ssh and sftp for the most part.
[00:01] <pndemc_> wylde, I plan on using a GUI on mine, will this have much of a performance impact? I seriously doubt I could do it all command-line only
[00:01] <zykotick9> sokak: i wouldn't be surprise if getlibs doesn't have a man page - check online or something?  i haven't used getlibs in a while, don't have it install currently so can't really test.
[00:02] <wylde> pndemc_: that honestly depends on the DE and if you're going to run things like compiz or any other compositing on it.
[00:02] <sokak> zykotick9, so i guess its time to nuke everything, purge my home from all config data, and start a fresh pangoline. Many forums have still opened threads about getlibs uninstall pointing to nil - im just too lazy to manually clean everything
[00:02] <pndemc_> wylde, it's currently a windows server, that we have VNC access to
[00:02] <pndemc_> wylde, so theres explorer running
[00:02] <zykotick9> sokak: fresh install (with data backups) is the cleanest route
[00:03] <sokak> zykotick9, i have no probs on that - my home sits on its own 4 tb hdd ;o
[00:03] <wylde> pndemc_: potentially, it CAN cause a fair bit more load. However a minimal GUI can give you very little overhead.(LXDE for example)
[00:03] <pndemc_> wylde, would I be able to disable/reenable the GUI at the ease of a command?
[00:03] <AndChat311001> Anybody knows the default username and password of ubuntu 12.04...I can't login
[00:03] <wylde> pndemc_: yep, just kill the xserver.
[00:03] <sokak> i have just been too damn lazy and forgot to ddump my system partition before messing
[00:04] <three18ti_> AndChat311001, you set it when you install the OS.  you can boot into safe mode and reset the PW.
[00:04] <Fyodorovna> AndChat311001, the live cd?
[00:04] <pndemc_> wylde, okay, if I go Debian Squeeze, it's just Gnome 2.3, that minimal enough?
[00:04] <sokak> that will be my first step after reinstalling and updating pangoline.
[00:04] <three18ti_> trying to update and I keep getting Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise-updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch  after an apt-get update.  Anyone else?
[00:05] <kfizz> Anyone know how to connect to a wireless network via command line?
[00:05] <ActionParsnip> kfizz: iwconfig
[00:05] <ActionParsnip> kfizz: or use wicd-curses :)
[00:05] <wylde> pndemc_: when you install, if your don't install anything like gdm, lightdm, kdm etc., then you just type 'startx' when you want to use the gui, and kill the xserver when you're finished.
[00:05] <smallfoot-> hmm
[00:06] <dkap> hi, i just upgraded to ubunntu 12.04 64 bit and tried to install chrome, but the libnss3-1d package was missing...
[00:06] <zvacet> AndChat311001: on live Cd there is no username or password
[00:06] <dkap> tryingg to install libnss3-1d gives
[00:06] <kfizz> Wind-curses not installed. Reading man for iwconfig
[00:06] <dkap> Conflicts: libnss3-1d but 3.13.1.with.ckbi.1.88-1ubuntu6 is to be installed
[00:06] <pndemc_> wylde, that's exactly what I'm looking for. this server will be hosting a few game servers so that will be perfect for performance
[00:07] <pndemc_> wylde, I've come to realize hosting game servers on windows is a pain
[00:07] <wylde> pndemc_:  lol, I'm not going to disagree with you!
[00:08] <pndemc_> wylde, a tf2 server update broke our server for half a week
[00:08] <pndemc_> wylde, only broke windows servers <_<
[00:09] <wylde> pndemc_: yikes... that's never good. So doing a test run in *nix or planning on a full swith?
[00:09] <AndChat311001> three18ti_ no I didn't set password
[00:09] <three18ti_> ok, think I found my answer, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11593258&postcount=2
[00:09] <three18ti_> AndChat311001, is it installed or live CD version?
[00:10] <AndChat311001> U s b
[00:10] <AndChat311001> Live
[00:10] <pndemc_> wylde, planning on a full switch (since we now also want to webhost on it), I want to do a test run first though so the actual switch goes smoothly
[00:10] <pndemc_> setting up srcds on linux is a little more complicated because of the differences between distros
[00:11] <killown> how disable this feature on 12.04 for those who have multi monitors, if you move de mouse cursor slowly it will not allows it passes to the other monitor unless you move it fast?
[00:11] <pndemc_> wylde,  setting up srcds on linux is a little more complicated because of the differences between distros
[00:11] <wylde> pndemc_: ALWAYS a good idea :) Not to mention backups! which never seem to be thought about until people have a dead or dying system heh.
[00:11] <DaniG2k> guys I have Japanese and Korean language support installed but
[00:11] <DaniG2k> I'm not getting a keyboard icon
[00:11] <DaniG2k> to switch between inputs
[00:11] <DaniG2k> how can I fix this?
[00:11] <OfficeITGuy149> Hey #Ubuntu! This might be a really dumb question, but is it possible to install a windows driver in ubuntu? I have a Lenovo U300s trackpad which is awful in Ubuntu, and someone says they replaced their driver with a Dell one and it's great now.
[00:12] <sokak_> wild question. whats the more multithread friendly, secure and more efficient compression method i can pipe dd to?
[00:12] <three18ti_> AndChat311001, how did you create the liveCD?
[00:12] <wylde> pndemc_: being a bit more complicated can be resolved with a little extra reasearch, which beats broken servers by a mile, I think anyway :)
[00:12] <bazhang> DaniG2k, ibus-setup yet?
[00:12] <pndemc_> OfficeITGuy149, I think dell offers some ubuntu drivers because of their partnership
[00:13] <OfficeITGuy149> Interesing pndemc_, do you know where I can find those? I'm googling around now...
[00:13] <vexaxv> anyone having issues with the unity bar auto hide?
[00:13] <kfizz> Is there a way to boot Ubuntu without the extra startup programs, like a safe mode? I've tried recovery mode with no luck.
[00:14] <AndChat311001> three18ti_ I deleted a couple of application and did update and when i rebooted I was promted to username and password
[00:14] <dkap> if a package had errors installing, how do we remove it, so that next time when we try installing another package, ubuntu does not complain about the former?
[00:14] <wylde> dkap: 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[00:15] <three18ti_> AndChat311001, what applications did you remove?  Have you tried logging in using no password?
[00:15] <zykotick9> !info gnome-session-fallback
[00:15] <frankbro> Having a weird issue with 12.04 on my acer iconia w500. After a while, mouse and keyboard inputs wont react with unity. I see my mouse moving, if I ctrl+alt+f1, I have access to tty, top shows nothing is hugging my CPU, yet I cant do anything.
[00:15] <pndemc_> OfficeITGuy149, sorry I don't, only know because of those ubuntu computers dell was selling awhile back
[00:15] <OfficeITGuy149> OK thanks.
[00:15] <acalbaza> anyone have a problem with eclipse context menus in 12.04
[00:15] <zykotick9> the gnome-session-fallback is very gnome 2 like.  the !notunity factoid should be updated.
[00:15] <sarnold> kfizz: if you're in real trouble, if you boot with the kernel parameter init=/bin/sh, you'll be given an administrative shell immediately after root has been mounted -- nothing else gets mounted, no other scripts get run, so you've got a fairly plain system to work with.
[00:16] <DaniG2k> bazhang thanks that helped
[00:16] <ox1de> xubuntu installing.........
[00:16] <dkap> yes, but my 'sudo apt-get -f install' itself ends up with errrors!!
[00:16] <IdleOne> zykotick9: that isn't a factoid, that info is pulled from the repos
[00:16] <pndemc_> so what's new with unity in 12.04?
[00:16] <prime_> @search Logically Fallacious
[00:17] <zykotick9> IdleOne: but !notunity factoid should now reflect using gnome-session-fallback
[00:17] <prime_> oops sorry!
[00:17] <zykotick9> !notunity
[00:17] <prime_> Hi all - Is this a good place to ask  a 12.04 question?
[00:17] <three18ti_> prime_, just ask
[00:17] <wylde> !ask | prime_
[00:18] <IdleOne> zykotick9: /msg ubottu !notunity is <reply> add your edits :)
[00:18] <AndChat311001> three18ti_ I don't know how to login without password , I deleted office , mail and many other
[00:18] <prime_> i have recurrent 12.04 system errors, usually early in the session. Where are the logs I can look at to see what exactly is crashing?
[00:18] <prime_> I'm not quite a noob, but...
[00:18] <zykotick9> IdleOne: i'll suggest it in -irc, and hopefully someone will run with it.
[00:18] <IdleOne> prime_: /var/logs
[00:18] <wylde> prime_: /var/log
[00:19] <ActionParsnip> AndChat311001: http://www.tuxgarage.com/2011/09/setting-lightdm-to-auto-login-oneiric.html
[00:19] <prime_> ok thank!
[00:19] <prime_> you
[00:19] <Fizzik> Hi guys, I have installed tightvncserver on my ubuntu 12.04 machine and the service has started but i cant connect it to it from my windows machine. I don't know what could be wrong but any suggestions on possibly solving the issue or trying something else?
[00:19] <bc``> my 3tv drive is only being read as a 2tb drive
[00:19] <prime_> any idea which log might be most useful?
[00:19] <ActionParsnip> Fizzik: can you ping the name?
[00:20] <Fizzik> ActionParsnip yes because i am sshd into the machine
[00:20] <vexaxv> anyone having issues with unity bar auto hide??
[00:20] <three18ti_> AndChat311001, the reason I'm asking is I'm trying to figure out if you inadvertently removed the wrong package.  I'll ask again, how did you create the live cd?
[00:20] <AndChat311001> Ok ActionParsnip
[00:21] <three18ti_> thanks <ActionParsnip>
[00:21] <virusuy> happy release day everyon !
[00:21] <AndChat311001> three18ti_ I used universal installer
[00:21] <the-erm> lol
[00:21] <pndemc_> ^^
[00:21] <ActionParsnip> Fizzik: is the service running now?
[00:23] <kfizz> In precise is the property way to start a gui startx or something like lightdm
[00:23] <td123> kfizz: use a dm
[00:23] <AaronCampbell> On my laptop, post 12.04 update, ctrl+alt+up maximizes a window.  On my desktop it doesn't...instead alt+f10 does.  Holding Super shows this.  What's different?
[00:24] <td123> kfizz: startx poses a physical security risk if not properly configured
[00:25] <naryfa> Hi, would anybody have any idea, why the two arrows in the weather applet never actually update? I don't know where to ask this question. Take a look please. http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_from_2012-04-26_20_19_42-4jcYFUoy.1335486044.png
[00:25] <pndemc_> td123, "physical security risk" what do you mean?
[00:25] <td123> pndemc_: if you lock your computer, alt+ctrl+f1 and ctrl+c :P
[00:26] <Logan_> aarcane: It's Ctrl-Super-Up
[00:26] <pndemc_> td123, so startx would not be a problem for server use?
[00:26] <Logan_> AaronCampbell*
[00:26] <bc``> i just reformatted a 3tb drive, and then mounted it, but it's only showing up as a 2tb drive-- does anyone know how to fix this? thanks!
[00:26] <aarcane> Logan_, thanks.
[00:27] <Logan_> aarcane: :-(
[00:27] <AaronCampbell> Logan_: Sorry, you're right...on the laptop.  But not the desktop I'm on
[00:27] <td123> pndemc_: I don't know the situation, I guess if you only use startx for like 1 continuous session
[00:27] <aarcane> Logan_, what?  I tried it and it worked :)
[00:27] <ox1de> xubuntu loaded! i'm back online!@!! thankz for the help!
[00:27] <Logan_> aarcane: I was trying to respond to AaronCampbell, though. :-P
[00:28] <aarcane> Logan_, well, it worked for me.  Go fig~  Good luck!
[00:28] <gogeta> wtf happond unity is not slow crashy and otherwie suck
[00:28] <td123> pndemc_: in the end it's your decision, it's just good that you know the possible problem
[00:28] <Logan_> gogeta: Is that a backhanded compliment?
[00:28] <gogeta> who finnly fired the artest and made a real window manager out of it
[00:28] <Fizzik> Hi guys, I have installed tightvncserver on my ubuntu 12.04 machine and the service has started but i cant connect it to it from my windows machine. I don't know what could be wrong but any suggestions on possibly solving the issue or trying something else? Yes, i can reach the machine because i am sshd into it
[00:28] <gogeta> Logan_: :)
[00:29] <pndemc_> lol
[00:29] <bazhang> gogeta, thats not a support question. also watch the cursing
[00:29] <pndemc_> are there themes for unity?
[00:29] <Logan_> Nope.
[00:29] <Logan_> pndemc_: Well, not for the launcher.
[00:30] <bazhang> pndemc_, you mean a lens?
[00:30] <pndemc_> theres 2 for window colours, are there more sources for these?
[00:30] <gogeta> Logan_: i did hear something abought them coming
[00:30] <krababbel> gnome is nice too
[00:31] <pndemc_> I've always wanted to try Gnome3
[00:31] <krababbel> great
[00:31] <naryfa> pndemc_: so what's stopping you?
[00:31] <Logan_> pndemc_: You can! Just do: sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[00:31] <celso> hi all!
[00:31] <Bennlucky7> good morning all
[00:31] <^Mike> How hard is it to get gnome-shell or gnome2 on a 12.04 install?
[00:31] <pndemc_> I'll give it a try after the 12.04 update
[00:32] <bazhang> !notunity | ^Mike
[00:32] <celso> does someone can tell me if i should install the amd post updates install driver or it will broken my xserver again ?  (ubuntu 12.04)
[00:32] <bazhang> ^Mike, gnome2 is gone, absent an unstable unsupported ppa
[00:32] <Logan_> celso: The post-release updates driver is very broken, I believe. It didn't work for me.
[00:33] <krababbel> it has usability, gnome3
[00:33] <^Mike> I assume you mean "absent a stable, supported, ppa" :(
[00:33] <Fizzik> any recommend some remote desktop server apps for linux?
[00:33] <Fizzik> that i can access via my windows machine
[00:33] <bazhang> ^Mike, no, as there are not any supported PPA of any kind
[00:33] <gogeta> ^Mike: look up the mate project its gnome 2 ported to gtk3
[00:34] <Logan_> Fizzik: TeamViewer is very easy to set up.
[00:34] <pndemc_> I  believe Mint is using MATE
[00:34] <Logan_> !vnc | Fizzik, you may want to take a look at this also
[00:34] <celso> that is the problem. cause it should be disabled. but i dont want to broken my entire OS.  but thanks for the help logan
[00:34] <gogeta> pndemc_: mint uses everything lol
[00:34] <Logan_> celso: No problem. I find that the open source driver works fine with my card.
[00:35] <pndemc_> gogeta, mate on their main release ^^
[00:35] <celso> true, but i curently use fglrx because it controls better my fans( in my opinion) :D
[00:35] <pndemc_> how well would windows run in a virtualbox?
[00:35] <pndemc_> good enough for gaming?
[00:36] <gogeta> pndemc_: umm no
[00:36] <Logan_> pndemc_: Probably not.
[00:36] <^Mike> Can you upgrade from an ISO? The alternate image, right?
[00:36] <krababbel> dosbox reliably
[00:36] <bazhang> ^Mike, yes
[00:36] <celso> Logan: and did you tried the hybrid graphics? (if you have) or still broken?
[00:36] <gogeta> pndemc_: win will run many games just not all of them
[00:36] <gogeta> wine
[00:36] <^Mike> excellent, thanks
[00:36] <ActionParsnip> ^Mike: yes, you don't even need to burn it, you can just loop mount it
[00:36] <pndemc_> I have steam running in wine
[00:37] <Logan_> celso: I have hybrid graphics in my laptop, and I just have the AMD card disabled since the Intel one doesn't use the fans as much and saves battery. I don't do gaming.
[00:37] <pndemc_> but game performance was unplayable
[00:37] <^Mike> ActionParsnip: Yes, I remember doing that previously
[00:37] <gogeta> pndemc_: steam is coming for linux first game will be left4dead 2
[00:37] <Fizzik> ok so i need to get x11vnc running but can i access it in windows
[00:37] <pndemc_> I heard, very excited :D
[00:37] <ActionParsnip> does nayone need more than tuxcart?
[00:37] <Logan_> hah
[00:37] <pndemc_> http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/25/steam-for-linux/
[00:37] <pndemc_> that's the article for anyone interested
[00:38] <bazhang> !ot | pndemc_
[00:38] <gogeta> pndemc_: yea it got leaked a long time ago they just denied it this long
[00:38] <celso> Logan: how? did you disabled on the bios?  sorry... maybe i am asking too much...
[00:38] <bazhang> gogeta, lets get back on topic
[00:39] <celso> Logan: i am asking because i can't disable on bios and dont know how to disable on the OS.
[00:39] <aarcane> So has anyone tried Business Desktop Remix?  Far as I can tell it's not a lot different.
[00:40] <Loonatic> where they hidden the xorg.conf in 12.04 LTS ?
[00:40] <gogeta> aarcane: most remixes are not just a diffrent app set
[00:40] <Logan_> celso: No, no. Don't worry about asking. I personally have an Envy 14, and I was able to use these instructions to disable the discrete card: http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-envy-hdx/498550-envy-14-linux-27.html#post8013756
[00:40] <zykotick9> Loonatic: not there by default (hasn't been for a while)
[00:40] <gogeta> Loonatic: no its not used if you need it you have to genrate it
[00:40] <gogeta> Loonatic: all auto now
[00:41] <Loonatic> gogeta: ok.. so if i have an issue playing .mp4 they are choppy but not .mov or .mp3
[00:41] <aarcane> Aha, I found the difference.  BUsiness Desktop is 32 bit only :(
[00:41] <ManuelSantana> why the ubuntu side bar doesn't hide in 12.04
[00:41] <ManuelSantana> ?
[00:41] <gogeta> Loonatic: is it a old box or something h264 can use alot of cpu
[00:42] <celso> Logan: wait.... that fixed your problem with hybrid graphics??? are you sure??? just that?
[00:42] <Logan_> ManuelSantana: It was a design decision. You can set it to autohide using CCSM.
[00:42] <Logan_> !ccsm | ManuelSantana
[00:42] <ManuelSantana> ccsm?
[00:42] <Loonatic> ManuelSantana: SystemSettings --> Appearance --> Behavior --> On :)
[00:42] <cap> gogeta: Loonatic Actually, it's been "all auto" for some time now. ButL: When you install proprietary drivers, the xorg.conf file is created a that time.
[00:43] <Logan_> celso: Yeah, the rc.local changes did it for me. You just comment out either the "echo DIGD" line or the "echo DDIS" line in the file, depending on which one you want the computer to use when booting.
[00:43] <ManuelSantana> thanks Loonatic
[00:43] <Loonatic> cap: ok i think this is what i need to do to enable my radeon card
[00:43] <Logan_> celso: (I'm referring to the "Fix Hybrid Graphics and Brightness at Startup" section of that post.)
[00:43] <Lint> What should I do to enable gnome-shell?
[00:43] <cap> Loonatic: Well, yea, maybe for some of the advanced features....
[00:44] <kfizz> How can I edit the gateway four an eth0 connection? The route command failed to set it
[00:44] <gogeta> Logan_: well then you just genrate the xorg.conf and the system wile use it and you can pass oprions
[00:44] <sokak_> seems like i found an answer to mi previous question - just sharing for anyone's interested sake. Piping dd to tar, and then repacking the result to a 7z -mx9 -mmt backup.7z seems doing the magic of multithread compression AND permission saving.
[00:44] <sokak_> i guess i can do one liner from that.
[00:44] <Logan_> gogeta: It's deeper down than X, though.
[00:44] <Lint> sokak_, you don´t need tar
[00:44] <gogeta> Logan_: thats the file you need to mod rite
[00:44] <cap> kfizz: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[00:44] <Loonatic> cap: i think i should be able to play goPRO video with a FireMV2250 plsu AMD64 3800+ 2.5GbRAM
[00:45] <ryan-c> sokak_: you should modify tar to support a -7 option
[00:45] <sokak_> Lint, as far as i can remember 7zip could mess with permissions
[00:45] <Logan_> gogeta: No, /etc/rc.local.
[00:45] <trevor> so what exactly are the benefits of LTS?
[00:45] <gogeta> Logan_: thats still there
[00:45] <Lint> sokak_, you get NO permissions from dd, it´s just random binary data
[00:45] <celso> Logan: yes, yes, so, if i want to use the intel all the time, just need to remove my ATI driver and use the script that curently is written and its done! :D  oh man, you made my day! :D
[00:45] <Logan_> gogeta: Wait, I think we're talking about two different problems. :-P
[00:45] <sokak_> ryan-
[00:45] <sokak_> oh shi- thats right - im being airheaded there
[00:45] <^Mike> Guest82066: It is supported for longer, and tends to be more stable.
[00:45] <celso> Logan: thanks  a lot!
[00:46] <cap> kfizz: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-networking-configuration-using-command-line.html
[00:46] <Guest82066> I mean how much benefit will there be to upgrade from ocelot to pangolin?
[00:46] <gogeta> celso: what hua use a intel over a ati
[00:46] <Logan_> celso: No problem. :-)
[00:46] <gogeta> Logan_: didnt you say coppy mp4
[00:46] <^Mike> Guest82066: It is very recommended for servers. Less so for desktops
[00:46] <Logan_> gogeta: Doesn't heat up as much, better battery life (I'm assuming this is a laptop).
[00:46] <sokak_> Lint, i guess i was focusing on the scale right in front of me without realizing i was sitting on a bigger scale
[00:46] <krej> Hello. I just installed 12.04 amd64 on my desktop and it didn't automatically add Windows to grub. How can I fix that?
[00:46] <Guest82066> also what advantage is there for running a 64 bit os rather than 32
[00:46] <Logan_> gogeta: No...
[00:46] <Tiktalik> I'm gonna make a starbound logo vector
[00:47] <celso> Logan: But curently need to check if it will work on my acer 3820tg but will going to do it now :D  thanks again Logan!
[00:47] <gogeta> Logan_: mine is all ati it just goes real low power
[00:47] <acalbaza> why is the login window resolution so large in 12.04?
[00:47] <Tiktalik> Guest82066, you can use more ram
[00:47] <Logan_> gogeta: Ah.
[00:47] <Tiktalik> 32 bit OSes have a limit of 4gb
[00:47] <gogeta> Logan_: same for my nibida gtx laptop
[00:47] <Logan_> celso: There's a way to check.
[00:47] <gogeta> nivida\
[00:47] <zykotick9> krej: from a terminal try "sudo update-grub" and see if it automatically adds it.
[00:47] <^Mike> Guest82066: It depends on what you need from your OS. Do you need newer versions of applications? Then you'll benefit.
[00:47] <Tiktalik> 64 bit OSes have a ridiculously high limit
[00:47] <celso> Logan: How?
[00:47] <BrianH> Hey guys, just updated my Ubuntu 11.10 system to 12.04, and now all the font is white ... Any quick fixes?
[00:47] <^Mike> Guest82066: you should run an OS that matches your hardware's architecture
[00:47] <Lint> What should I do to enable gnome-shell?
[00:48] <sokak_> i do agree Tiktalik, im running ridiculous amounts of vms alltogheter atm
[00:48] <hashbrowncipher> BrianH: I had that issue.  I went to the Appearance tab of the control center
[00:48] <hashbrowncipher> and changed the theme, and it worked out
[00:48] <the-erm> Lint: I think you have to log out, and select a gnome 3 session.
[00:48] <Tiktalik> sokak_: I have 8 gb in here
[00:48] <VvWolverinevV> hello, i accidentally cancelled an upgrade from a live CD, after rebooting, i get (initramfs) prompt, is it possible to recover?
[00:48] <Logan_> celso: Er, actually, there isn't. I guess you just have to test it out.
[00:48] <sokak_> Tiktalik, i know the feeling bro
[00:48] <Loonatic> Wow that Xorg turn out to be quite a project lol
[00:48] <Guest82066> ^mike can you tell me more about making sure my os 'matches' my architecture?
[00:48] <Lint> it segfaults
[00:48] <krej> zykotick9, I ran that and it said it found a linux, initrd, and memtest86+ image, but it doesn't look like it found Windows.
[00:48] <ManuelSantana> Lint seach for it in the software center
[00:49] <^Mike> Guest82066: If you have 64 bit processor, you should use a 64 bit OS.
[00:49] <celso> Logan: No problem.  I will check the batery life.  going to try it now! :D  thanks ;)
[00:49] <zykotick9> krej: sorry man, that's my only suggestion.  good luck.
[00:49] <Guest82066> ok how do i find out if i have a 64 bit processor?
[00:49] <Logan_> celso: But, once that script is added, you can run "cat /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch" upon boot to see which card is enabled.
[00:49] <gogeta> Guest82066: any intel core is 64bit
[00:49] <Lint> search for what? gnome-shell-which-doesn´t-segfaults?
[00:49] <cap> Guest82066: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[00:49] <krej> Darn. Does anyone else know how I can add Windows to GRUB when Ubuntu 12.04 didn't do it itself?
[00:49] <sokak_> ^Mike, i totally agree but i will still continue to keep a 32 bit usb stick - no more messing with getlibs just to have audio in adobe air games
[00:49] <Logan_> celso: You should hypothetically see IGD: Pwr and DIS: off
[00:50] <^Mike> Guest82066: Technically, you are probably okay to use either 32 or 64 bits with newer processors. In that case, you should use 64 bit if you have >4GB of RAM.
[00:50] <BrianH> hashbrowncipher, awesome, thanks :)
[00:50] <^Mike> Guest82066: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit
[00:50] <ManuelSantana> Guest82066: try lshw command, it will tell you everything about your machine
[00:50] <gogeta> Guest82066: intel core serise all amd x2 all 64bit
[00:50] <gogeta> and up
[00:50] <Fyodorovna> Kreaz, try sudo update-grub in ubuntu
[00:51] <arand> krej: does "sudo os-prober" find it?
[00:51] <celso> Logan: ok. i will check :)  brb
[00:51] <Fyodorovna> krej, try sudo update-grub in ubuntu
[00:51] <krej> arand: that showed no results at all
[00:51] <VvWolverinevV> hello, i accidentally cancelled an upgrade from a live CD. after rebooting, i get an (initramfs) prompt; is it possible to recover?
[00:52] <mrp> can anyone help wth byobu and putty stacking accross the screen? see this picture http://i.imgur.com/NQrm2.jpg
[00:52] <sokak_> just curious - anyone here had the chance to try an amd bulldozer? is it worthy to switch from a phenom x6?
[00:52] <krej> Fyodorovna, i tried that but it didn't find a windows image or anything
[00:52] <Lint> What should I do to enable gnome-shell (i installed the package, but it´s useless)?
[00:52] <bazhang> sokak_, try in ##hardware
[00:52] <Guest82066> i just tried upgrading to pangolin which resulted in having to delete all partitions and reinstall ocelot. is there any reason why pangolin should have not completed installation?
[00:52] <sokak_> good point, ty bazhang
[00:52] <Fyodorovna> krej, did you remove any windows partitions for this install?
[00:52] <gogeta> mrp: type clear
[00:53] <ManuelSantana> Lint logout and select it as the default shell
[00:53] <sokak_> Lint, it doesnt show up as an option on login screen?
[00:53] <Fyodorovna> krej, like the boot partition for windows that is?
[00:53] <bazhang> Lint, if you wish support then give some actual error messages/details
[00:53] <zeeno> krej, try update-grub2 then see if it's entered in the grub.cfg file
[00:53] <bazhang> !work | Lint
[00:53] <barxool> sokak_> I read several review before buying a new CPU and bulldozer was not worthy
[00:53] <krej> Fyodorovna, I don't think I removed the boot partition. I installed Windows to its own partition, then made a new one for Ubuntu and installed it there. I don't think I removed anything
[00:53] <sokak_> ty barxool
[00:53] <Lint> bazhang, it just doesn´t run and segfaults when gnome-shell is started manually
[00:54] <zeeno> Lint, after you apt-getted that, you'll have the  gnome-classic option on the gear icon (logon screen)
[00:54] <barxool> sokak_> got a X6 1090T, works like a charm
[00:54] <bazhang> Lint, give us the FULL details of your setup
[00:54] <krej> zeeno: update-grub2 only found linux images again. no windows ones
[00:54] <u-haul> Hey all - can anyone give me a little bit of help with networking in Ubuntu 11.10 Server? It is a HP Proliant Microserver, and the ethernet is /directly/ connected to a PS3. The ethernet works if the PS3 is on when the HP is switched on and if the PS3 is switched on after the HP is switched on. If the PS3 is switched off and then on again while the HP is on, the network goes down (understandably)
[00:54] <u-haul> but then doesn't come back up when the PS3 comes back. A manual network restart is required.
[00:54] <u-haul> Any ideas?
[00:54] <Lint> bazhang, it´s plain kubuntu 12.04
[00:55] <sokak_> 1100t here, so ill keep sticking with that barxool, just found a lovely way to dd > 7z partitions before messing
[00:55] <u-haul> My Google-fu evades me on this one. :(
[00:55] <gogeta> u-haul: network conflict
[00:55] <zeeno> krej, so make a custom rule for update-grub2
[00:55] <krej> zeeno: how do you do that? Doing things manually with grub2 has always been hard for me.
[00:56] <gogeta> u-haul: maybe the ps3 is not sending a dhcp request
[00:56] <zeeno> krej, you can probably make a copy of the rule from another edition, if you want to give up on that, you can try to edit grub.cfg directly and add the few lines needed..
[00:56] <sokak_> stupid question, with pangoline, there is actually a way to have a full hd login screen poking at grub2 with startup manager or do i have to get my hands dirty with config files manually?
[00:56] <gogeta> u-haul: also if you put the ps3 on a diffrent subnet they will not conflict with both on at the same time
[00:57] <zeeno> krej, thing is update scripts would overwrite grub.cfg.. so thats why its better to have a custom rule somewhere in /etc/grub?/
[00:57] <Fyodorovna> krej, easiest way for me to look at it is with the bootscript download from here and extract to the desktop and run the command and post in a pastebin.  http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/      sudo bash ~/Desktop/bootinfoscript
[00:57] <u-haul> gogeta: Yeah, I was thinking about putting the PS3 on another subnet.
[00:57] <szal> [02:57:14] <Helper> [Distrowatch] Distribution Release: Xubuntu 12.04
[00:58] <naryfa> sokak_: isn't there an app for that in repos?
[00:58] <mrp> gogeta: makes no difference
[00:58] <ManuelSantana> any good GUI frontend for ufw?
[00:58] <Logan_> ManuelSantana: I think there's one called gufw, but I could be wrong.
[00:58] <gogeta> mrp: does it do it in unity 2d i wonder if its a compiz glitch or video driver
[00:58] <u-haul> Thanks gogeta, I will have a bit more of a play with the network settings and see what I can come up with. :)
[00:59] <Logan_> !info gufw | ManuelSantana
[00:59] <Logan_> I was right. :-P
[00:59] <gogeta> u-haul: its probly a conflict as you said one goes down with the other on
[00:59] <mrp> gogeta: this is via ssh via putty on windows
[00:59] <sokak_> naryfa, im moving from maverick to pangoline right now (finishing the download) with maverick, i managed to have gdm working in full yhd, but the splash screen was still displaying an ugly terminal if you pressed down arrow while booting, or during shutdown (oversized fonts overlapping making everything difficult to read)
[00:59] <krej> Fyodorovna, here is the results of that: http://pastebin.com/9hJVrT9Z
[00:59] <mrp> gogeta: don't have problem with byobu on putty on 10.04
[00:59] <gogeta> mrp: oh that can be bit strange sometimes
[00:59] <ManuelSantana> I'll try it Logan_
[01:00] <ManuelSantana> !info ufw | ManuelSantana
[01:00] <ManuelSantana> A real robot!
[01:00] <Logan_> !bot | ManuelSantana
[01:01] <ManuelSantana> !bot
[01:01] <halakar> wow, nice. virtual box works great
[01:01] <gogeta> halakar: shure does
[01:02] <bazhang> ManuelSantana, /msg ubottu
[01:02] <Logan_> ManuelSantana: Please /msg ubottu to investiage her.
[01:02] <Logan_> *investigate
[01:02] <Scarra3> what periferals should I disconnect from my desktop when installing ubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[01:02] <gogeta> Scarra3: umm not mutch unles you got a usbhdd with a os on it
[01:02] <naryfa> sokak_: maybe there's a way of setting the kms driver to your screen's resolution at bootup, I know you can also adjust the values in grub config at /etc/default/grub, then just update grub. But maybe I'm misunderstanding your need.
[01:02] <mrp> gogeta: know any workarounds?
[01:02] <the-erm> happy crash update day.
[01:02] <sokak_> Scarra3, i would detach anything unneeded, backup all the data (if your home isnt yet on its own partitoon/disk) then take the plunge
[01:02] <krej> Fyodorovna, i just tried creating a custom rule and update-grub found that, so I'm going to go try and see if that worked. I'll be back
[01:03] <gogeta> mrp maybe a new version of putty
[01:03] <sokak_> naryfa, you havent at all. I guess its time for manpages about grub.
[01:03] <mrp> gogeta: am running the latest :(
[01:03] <the-erm> upgrade-manager crashed, but apt-get dist-upgrade seems to be working odd ....
[01:03] <gogeta> Scarra3: you whant it to see evrything to configure it
[01:04] <Scarra3> Sokak: I have a wireless keyboard / mouse / 1TB external / webcam / speakers
[01:04] <gogeta> Scarra3: leave it all
[01:04] <sokak_> naryfa, i guess its just a matter to see if kms can see the max resolutin my screen can do.
[01:04] <Scarra3> And for an ATI Radeon HD 5770 I need to install fglrx right?
[01:04] <Logan_> Scarra3: You don't have to. There's an open source driver that's preinstalled that works well.
[01:04] <gogeta> Scarra3: yes after install it should ask you
[01:05] <gogeta> Logan_: 5x he needs closed for 36
[01:05] <gogeta> 3d
[01:05] <naryfa> sokak_: what's the screen resolution? 1920?
[01:05] <Logan_> gogeta: Oh...
[01:05] <Scarra3> alright thanks everyone I am about to install it lol
[01:05] <sokak_> Scarra3, i do agree with gogeta then, seems nothing exotic is plugged in - go backup and then update heaven
[01:05] <Logan_> gogeta: I have a 6630M, so I wouldn't know. ;-P
[01:05] <sokak_> naryfa, bullseye
[01:06] <gogeta> Logan_: for better 3d you should to
[01:06] <Logan_> gogeta: I don't do gaming on Ubuntu, though. And Unity 3D works smoothly.
[01:06] <gogeta> Logan_: thats a hd 6630 rite
[01:06] <Logan_> gogeta: Correct.
[01:06] <sokak_> naryfa, my gpu is currently a 570 gtx, the monitor is attached to one of the dvi ports
[01:06] <gogeta> Logan_: must have been updated then :) but it will still be slower
[01:07] <Sp][nE> if you want the absolut best performance from your card you must install FGLRX, otherwise the default open source drivers work well enough...
[01:07] <gogeta> Logan_: forgot they relesed the oss driver for  the latest chipsets
[01:07] <Logan_> gogeta: Mmhm.
[01:07] <naryfa> sokak_: wait, are your drivers, that are installed, from nvidia?
[01:08] <gogeta> Logan_: all i got is a old 9200
[01:08] <sokak_> naryfa, again a bullseye. Cant do compiz or good 3d without.
[01:08] <Logan_> gogeta: Every piece of hardware has its merits. :-P
[01:09] <vexaxv> has anyone compiled doom 3 yet?
[01:09] <vexaxv> i have a couple questions so
[01:09] <sokak_> i guess i shall give up and try higher resolutions until i find the max that it can mangle before starting x am i right?
[01:09] <naryfa> sokak_: I know it might take you a while, but try looking at this. http://netsplit.com/2010/03/30/all-about-kernel-mode-setting/
[01:09] <gogeta> sokak_: xrander
[01:10] <naryfa> sokak_: I remember I had an nvidia card and set kms to 1920x1080, but that was in Arch linux.
[01:10] <sokak_> naryfa, thats a really interesting lecture you gave me here. Evaded completely my google-fu. Im diggin
[01:10] <gogeta> sokak_: you can change rez around with that
[01:11] <alien64> anoyone know what style of bot is >>> ubuntu
[01:11] <gogeta> alien64: a irc bot
[01:11] <sokak_> gogeta, xrandr can handle a lot of stuff *upon login*, what im needing here is to have a full resolution grub
[01:11] <zeeno> !blootbot
[01:11] <u-haul> gogeta: Same thing happens when eth0 and PS3 is on a different subnet from WLAN0, and both have statically assigned IP addresses.
[01:12] <u-haul> (both, I mean PS3 and eth0)
[01:12] <gogeta> u-haul: then the ip is in conflict
[01:12] <alien64> gogeta: yes i know infobot supybot etc...
[01:12] <gogeta> u-haul: or the dns lol
[01:13] <gogeta> u-haul: acully yea it could be the dns
[01:13] <u-haul> gogeta: But on the network there are only two devices, directly connected to eachother, on that subnet with statically assigned IP addresses. Everything else on another subnet, and works fine.
[01:13] <u-haul> gogeta: I don't think it's DNS, I can ping IPs withotu a problem.
[01:13] <gogeta> u-haul: then its relly the dns
[01:14] <u-haul> gogeta: Sorry - brain-melt. I /can't/ ping IPs.
[01:14] <ManuelSantana> FloodBot1
[01:14] <gogeta> u-haul: been so long sense i did cat 5 by hand
[01:14] <Logan_> !floodbot | ManuelSantana
[01:14] <jamiejackson> how do print to a mac-connected printer in ubuntu. i have the printer shared on the mac side, but can't figure out what to do on the ubuntu side
[01:14] <gogeta> u-haul: in ubuntu you can simple say use this amchine as host and it does everythin for ya
[01:14] <sokak_> naryfa, i think i've found a direction to run :)
[01:15] <Haywood|Jablome> saywhut
[01:15] <alien64> Logan_: pipe ubuntu to me
[01:15] <naryfa> sokak_: okay then
[01:15] <u-haul> thanks gogeta. I'll keep hunting. :)
[01:15] <naryfa> sokak_: I hope you get it to work
[01:15] <gogeta> u-haul: but on a server i assume by hand
[01:15] <ManuelSantana> How do I find my ip in a simple ubuntu command
[01:15] <Haywood|Jablome> http://www.haxradio.com ~The Stream the FBI Listens too...
[01:15] <sokak_> thanks :)
[01:15] <naryfa> sokak_: no prob
[01:15] <Logan_> alien64: Eh?
[01:15] <jamiejackson> ManuelSantana: ifconfig
[01:16] <gogeta> u-haul: your ip range should also be diffrent
[01:16] <alien64> the bot make him tell me about it
[01:16] <the-erm> ManuelSantana: ifconfig should give you the ip of the machine you're on, but not what the world considers your ip.
[01:16] <sokak_> naryfa, this will help me lots to convert more friends to linux ;) You wouldnt guess how many would just change by seeing a nice splash upon boot :)
[01:16] <Logan_> !ubuntu | alien64
[01:16] <alien64> ty
[01:16] <u-haul> gogeta: Yeah, running <IP_ADDRESS>/24 on eth0 and <IP_ADDRESS>/24 on WLAN0.
[01:16] <ManuelSantana> And how do i change it?
[01:16] <Logan_> alien64: Happy? :-P
[01:16] <alien64> yup
[01:16] <gogeta> u-haul: thats the same
[01:16] <naryfa> sokak_: true, first contact makes the impression
[01:17] <alien64> no
[01:17] <gogeta> u-haul: thats both local ips
[01:17] <u-haul> gogeta: Umm...what?
[01:17] <sokak_> darn, now im eager to see what will be in queztal - and im still just at 70% downloading pangoline xD
[01:17] <u-haul> gogeta: Both need to be local IPs. I don't want routing between the two subnets.
[01:17] <ManuelSantana> easy way to change my ip on ubuntu
[01:17] <alien64> !ubottu
[01:17] <ManuelSantana> ??
[01:17] <jamiejackson> trying to print to a mac's printer from ubuntu. how to connect from the ubuntu side?
[01:17] <jamiejackson> ManuelSantana: from cli?
[01:17] <ManuelSantana> !ubottu die
[01:17] <gogeta> u-haul: thats why they fail
[01:18] <the-erm> ManuelSantana: I'm not sure you can assign a static ip with the network manager applet.
[01:18] <ManuelSantana> yes jamiejackson
[01:18] <Logan_> ManuelSantana: Don't do that, please.
[01:18] <gogeta> u-haul:  the host needs to give it a ip like <IP_ADDRESS> on a diffrent subnet
[01:18] <gridbug> Hey guys.  Started the upgrade to 12.04... thought I'd cancel and download the alternative CD via torrent instead... fire up the cdromupgrade.. select no network... still wants to pull packages from the network.  What am I missing?
[01:18] <gogeta> u-haul: with the dns of your isp on both machines
[01:18] <jamiejackson> ManuelSantana: i don't like setting up network interfaces from cli, but http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-networking-configuration-using-command-line.html
[01:19] <Haywood|Jablome> http://www.haxradio.com ~The Stream the FBI Listens too...   The installation has hung at "restoring previously installed packages." Anyone know what to do here?
[01:19] <u-haul> gogeta: I don't want the PS3, nor eth0, to be goign near the internet.
[01:19] <gogeta> u-haul: the gateway will be the ip of the host
[01:19] <awwa> hi, what binary launches the HUD in unity2d?
[01:19] <u-haul> gogeta: It's purely for serving data to the PS3.
[01:19] <ManuelSantana> let's see jamiejackson
[01:19] <sokak_> nite everyone, and thanks for the great tips :)
[01:19] <Logan_> Night sokak_. :-)
[01:19] <gogeta> u-haul: then dont give it a dns
[01:19] <gogeta> u-hu
[01:19] <naryfa> sokak_: g'nite
[01:19] <BoyBlunder> 10 things to do after install 12.04. go!
[01:20] <IdleOne> !ot | BoyBlunder
[01:20] <gogeta> u-haul: with with that setup they should get along
[01:20] <BoyBlunder> thanks IdleOne
[01:20] <schultza> oh lovely.... installed 12.04 and now have a error: no such partition..... at grub rescue> prompt
[01:20] <Bennlucky7> 1 thing to do before install 12.04
[01:20] <Lint> Viman, just cancel this step and install the grub manually
[01:20] <gogeta> u-haul: on the host the gateway will just be the local ip
[01:21] <Bennlucky7> uninstall other os
[01:21] <Viman> Lint - Just like that?
[01:21] <BoyBlunder> schultza, can you boot to live cd?
[01:21] <schultza> yes
[01:21] <Viman> Bennlucky7: I've got no other OS innit
[01:21] <schultza> hang on
[01:21] <BoyBlunder> schultza, what does gparted say?
[01:21] <Bennlucky7> Viman:  me too :-D
[01:21] <schultza> hang on
[01:21] <BoyBlunder> k
[01:22] <ManuelSantana> very nice jamiejackson
[01:22] <Viman> Lint: I can't cancel the installation, unless I hard reset. Is this it?
[01:22] <the-erm> ManuelSantana: http://bit.ly/NbDsj apparently you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces and restart the network via /etc/init.d/networking restart
[01:22] <gogeta> u-haul: the easy way is to set it up like any shared host then tell ufw the ip from the ps3 it not allowed outside the network that will effectly block it from the net
[01:22] <ManuelSantana> There's nothing like to chat on IRC on a cold rainy night
[01:22] <Lint> Viman, if it HARD locked, and you cannot access the consoles, then reboot
[01:23] <ManuelSantana> thanks the-erm
[01:23] <Viman> Lint: how should I install grub afterwards?
[01:23] <ManuelSantana> It's raining a lot in here: La Romana, Dominican Republic.
[01:24] <ManuelSantana> sudo etc/hostname myhost : should change my hostname?
[01:24] <itaylor57> i love bonao
[01:24] <ManuelSantana> sudo /etc/hostname myhost : should change my hostname?
[01:24] <terry_math> Dominican Republic,in central America??
[01:24] <Lint> Viman, it should be already installed, just dpkg-reconfigure the latest kernel you have installed
[01:24] <ManuelSantana> or do I have to become too before?
[01:24] <BoyBlunder> ManuelSantana, sudo nano /etc/hostname
[01:24] <BoyBlunder> or gedit
[01:24] <BoyBlunder> if you're at gui
[01:24] <ManuelSantana> terry_math: Caribbean
[01:25] <Viman> Lint: thanks
[01:25] <ManuelSantana> BoyBlunder: but isn't there a command?
[01:25] <terry_math> are you a pirate??haha
[01:25] <the-erm> ManuelSantana: if you edit /etc/hostname I believe that will change the hostname.  you can also sudo hostname <new-name>
[01:25] <bc``> does anyone know how to use gpt partitioning?  my 3tb drive is only showing up as 2tb, and I was told to look there, but I can't find any good reference sites on how to go about doing it
[01:26] <ManuelSantana> Ahh sudo hostname !!
[01:26] <BoyBlunder> bc``, gparted?
[01:26] <ManuelSantana> I'm not a pirate but I do pirate software and other stuff sometimes :)
[01:27] <ActionParsnip> ManuelSantana: you will aso need to edit /etc/hosts   so that the system can resolve its hostname to <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:27] <ludwin01> i want to upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04
[01:27] <ActionParsnip> ManuelSantana: or sudo will not work anymore
[01:27] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade | ludwin01
[01:28] <BoyBlunder> ludwin01, sudo apt-get install dist-upgrade
[01:28] <the-erm> I've never heard of gpt.
[01:28] <ludwin01> thanks @ubottu
[01:28] <Logan_> !thanks | ludwin01
[01:28] <Logan_> deadmund: No bots in here, please.
[01:28] <ManuelSantana> ActionParsnip: I dont understand what you meant
[01:29] <ludwin01> nevermind
[01:29] <ActionParsnip> ManuelSantana: both /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts need changing together
[01:29] <Viman> Lint: I cannot boot my operating system.
[01:30] <ManuelSantana> So i just can't "sudo hostname <new hostname>"?
[01:30] <Viman> Lint: I don't think grub is installed
[01:30] <ActionParsnip> ManuelSantana: open both /etc/hosts and /etc/hosts    and then make the change
[01:30] <Viman> any thoughts on how I can do so?
[01:30] <schultza> ok... gparted says ... /dev/sda3 ext4
[01:30]  * ManuelSantana says: I just wanted to avoid the editing!!
[01:31] <marcm> has suhosin finally been removed from Ubuntu 12.04?
[01:31] <gogeta> Viman: you can try to reinstall it threw the live cd
[01:31] <Viman> gogeta: fascinating - how?
[01:31] <ManuelSantana> BTW Opera's built-in IRC client rocks...it is what I'm using.
[01:32] <ManuelSantana> Thank you anyway ActionParsnip
[01:32] <gridbug> Hey guys - trying to do a cdromupgrade via alternative CD w/ no network and it's insisting on pulling packages from the network - any ideas why?
[01:32] <gogeta> Viman: !grub
[01:32] <gogeta> lol
[01:32] <nina666> hi... im trying to setup vmware on my machine, but i get errors on compiling modules and this is the vmware log: http://pastebin.com/xsBPmbmn
[01:32] <Fyodorovna> !grub | Viman
[01:32] <nina666> any ideas how to solve this issue?
[01:32] <gogeta> i fail at formating
[01:33] <gridbug> nina666: in the past, I've had to run the vmware patch.... eventually I just moved to vbox.
[01:33] <sk1special> okay. im having 3 issues. and im assuming theyre all tied together. im getting this error message > Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0"  ; all of window menus have that windows 98 look. ie flat grey blocky ; and when i hit the workspace button while i can change workspaces i can not drap and drop windows from one to the other.
[01:33] <nina666> gridbug: is vbox more compatible you mean than vmware?
[01:33] <gogeta> nina666: virtualbox these days is faster then vmware anyways
[01:34] <schultza> grub rescue issue -... i do have a /dev/sda3 for ext4
[01:34] <lystra_> Installing 12.04 on a server. The server has two disks, sda and sdb. 11.10 is already installed on sdb in VG trunks. Booted the -server ISO and selected Guided LVM setup: http://www.lystra.org/1.png. Then selected sda disk http://www.lystra.org/2.png. Why does the next screen say it will format a partition on hdb if I selected sda: http://www.lystra.org/3.png?
[01:34] <celthunder> nina666: virtualbox and vmware are meant for 2 different user bases
[01:34] <gridbug> nina666: yeah... vbox is in the repo so it doesn't require patches to keep up with the latest / greatest kernal image
[01:34] <zoombuggy> unity-music-daemon keeps dying with SIGSEVs, apparently it's a known bug. Should I remove it for the moment?
[01:34] <gridbug> nina666: vbox worked well for my uses and I didn't go back to vmware... but YMMV.
[01:35] <nina666> celthunder: i only need to setup virtual machines... the job that vmware player does
[01:35] <gogeta> nina666: just rember the one in the repo does lack d3d and usb support if you need those get it from the website
[01:35] <nina666> gridbug: i see... thanks :)
[01:35] <nina666> gogeta: noted. thanks alot :)
[01:36] <Athanasius> Is there a hotkey for rotating the screen 90 degrees?
[01:37] <cute_bettong> how do you kill a zombie process?
[01:37] <gogeta> Athanasius: i dont think so but why
[01:37] <zoombuggy> cute: reboot, I suspect
[01:37] <cute_bettong> darn i was hopeing to avoid that
[01:38] <gogeta> cute_bettong: lots of ways but sudo killall prossesname
[01:38] <Athanasius> gogeta: because I'm using a netbook and it'd be nice to easily rotate the screen for if I want to say, have it on its side to easily display a recipe or something
[01:38] <arand> cute_bettong: There's often ways around it.
[01:38] <zoombuggy> there isn't really a way to avoid it if it's already under init's care.
[01:39] <cute_bettong> gogeta, would that be like sudo killall <pid>?
[01:39] <cute_bettong> clear
[01:40] <gogeta> cute_bettong: pid is just kill
[01:40] <aaas> Athanasius i dont suppose you have nvidia or ati in that netbook
[01:40] <bsmith093> can i go from lucid to the new one straight?
[01:40] <gogeta> cute_bettong: like kill 19265
[01:40] <Athanasius> nope, no fancy drivers :(
[01:40] <szal> bsmith093: that is supported, yes.. no idea on the success rate though
[01:40] <bsmith093> how?
[01:41] <gogeta> cute_bettong: if you did killall firefox it would kill all firefox prosses
[01:41] <cute_bettong> gogeta, yea thats what i did but the process still remains
[01:41] <szal> !upgrade | bsmith093
[01:41] <ManuelSantana> good night to you all!
[01:41] <aaas> Athanasius yeah this is usually acomplished at the video driver level, get a tablet? ;)
[01:41] <rinzler> installing from a tarball, and make isn't doing anything...
[01:41] <cute_bettong> oh never mind
[01:41] <cute_bettong> top diden't update XD
[01:41] <bsmith093> the update manager doesnt see the new version it just sees 10.10
[01:41] <ManuelSantana> see you later and thanks for your help
[01:41] <gogeta> cute_bettong: you try killing it with the id?
[01:41] <cute_bettong> gogeta, yea the process is dead now thank you ^_^
[01:42] <szal> bsmith093: does your mirror already carry Precise? if not, just wait a day or two
[01:42] <ApocGoD> Mine does, but i'm wondering if I should upgrade yet.
[01:42] <gogeta> cute_bettong: oh and if its a gui app you can do it with xkill and just click the frozen app
[01:43] <cute_bettong> gogeta, how do i use xkill? never knew about that function
[01:43] <gogeta> alt f2 then xkill
[01:43] <ManuelSantana> version
[01:43] <szal> btw, any info yet as to when Maverick support will terminate?
[01:44] <terry_math> ManuelSantana:hello!!
[01:44] <ManuelSantana> hi terry_math
[01:44] <zoombuggy> cute_bettong: glad to know you got your process killed, i've not been successful with that.
[01:44] <yuri__> Does anyone know of a good dvd authoring program for kubuntu?! :( I tried DVD Styler and it freezes half way through the render process, always. I tried that 'q'dvdauthor goodie and it wouldn't compile, I tried dvdauthor and got lost treying to make a dvd through the console. :(
[01:45] <zoombuggy> anyhow, bye...
[01:46] <sk1special> anyone know how to manually cut off xinerama in nvidia settings? instead of just using the nvidia control panel..because it doesnt actually save
[01:46] <rinzler> trying to install from a tarball, and make says No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop. Any Ideas?
[01:47] <aaas> rinzler is there  Makefile in the directory
[01:47] <hnsz> try running it with sudo
[01:47] <nina666> ok.. i downloaded the vbox from the website, run it with package installer. shows this: Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: lipython2.7...
[01:47] <the-erm> sk1special: I think if you run the nvidia control panel as root it will save, but I'm not sure.
[01:47] <rinzler> aaas: two different ones. different extentions...
[01:48] <sk1special> how do i do that? new to linux
[01:48] <gogeta> nina666: sounds like its not updated for 12.04 yet
[01:48] <nina666> actually mine is 10.04
[01:48] <Athanasius> aaas: If you'd like to contribute to my tablet fund, feel free to paypal money over to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>;)
[01:48] <aaas> rinzler shouldn't have an extention...read the README or the INSTALL file the process may be different
[01:48] <arand> cute_bettong: Normal kill might work, but the last resort is normally to attch to the parent (e.g. via gdb) and call waitpid on the child
[01:48] <aaas> Athanasius ahah you wish
[01:48] <Athanasius> also, ubuntu 12.04 on asus transformer prime would be amazing
[01:48] <gogeta> nina666: oh
[01:48] <nina666> gogeta: and i did download the one for 10.04
[01:49] <the-erm> sk1special: I wish I could tell you try going to a terminal and typing sudo nvidia<tab><tab> and see if something comes up.
[01:49] <rinzler> aaas: install file says "./configure, make, make install" should do it.
[01:49] <Pintballr9003> has anybody seen "E: could not perform immediate configuration on 'python-minimal' during the 12.04 upgrade?  I'm coming up from lucid
[01:49] <nina666> gogeta: i think the lack is from my side, not vbox... how should i check my libpython
[01:49] <aaas> rinzler and configure finishes without hitches
[01:49] <aaas> rinzler what program is this
[01:50] <gogeta> nina666: the package manager should grait if its avable
[01:50] <gogeta> grab
[01:50] <aaas> rinzler can you send me a link to the download
[01:50] <rinzler> aaas: TLP II for TI calc connection...
[01:50] <xangua> can't get the notification in the Update Manager for upgrade to pangolin from lucid, any thing i should do¿ using main the server repository
[01:50] <Athanasius> meep. mkfs.ntfs on my sd card and pretty much the whole desktop locks up :<
[01:50] <nina666> gogeta: and it didnt... seems like im stock in no where... :(
[01:50] <rinzler> aaas: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/374/37480.html
[01:50] <gogeta> nina666: normaly that means its looking for something not in the repos you got all of them on correect
[01:50] <sk1special> yeah just says command not found. hmm
[01:51] <nina666> downloaded from website... could that be the reason?
[01:51] <nina666> gogeta: downloaded from website... could that be the reason?
[01:52] <gogeta> nina666: yea i think it is it should work if it said for 10.10
[01:52] <yuri__> Does anyone know of a good dvd authoring program for kubuntu?! :( I tried DVD Styler and it freezes half way through the render process, always. I tried that 'q'dvdauthor goodie and it wouldn't compile, I tried dvdauthor and got lost treying to make a dvd through the console. :(
[01:52] <nina666> gogeta, ok im downloading libpython 3.1 using kpackagekit...
[01:53] <aaas> rinzler did you get something at the end that sid 'no package...found'
[01:53] <ruffleS> guys there's this bug on unity where mouse cursor doesn't follow window accordingly when dragging a window out of "aerosnap maximization". i can't find the bug report on launchpad so i can +1 it
[01:53] <rinzler> aaas: at the end of....?
[01:53] <gogeta> nina666: oh it seems as for 4.0 they moved to non-free
[01:53] <aaas> rinzler configure
[01:53] <gogeta> nina666: so th one in the repos will be the same so just apt-get it :)
[01:54] <nina666> gogeta: oh... still same thing... looks like it cannot handle higher versions actually
[01:54] <nina666> gogeta: oki thanks ;)
[01:54] <jasonbourne> have a question if anyone can help....
[01:54] <gogeta> nina666: even better they have there own repo you can add
[01:54] <rinzler> aaas: ahhh... this might do it: "configure: error: Package requirements (ticables2 >= 1.3.0) were not met"
[01:54] <sk1special> okay. sudo nvidia-xconfig gives me a list that lists the config backup and new x file
[01:55] <atealtha> anyone who is familiar with amazon AWS: the AMI for Pangolin says released two days ago before the official release date. Should I assume these are still beta and that I should wait it out?
[01:55] <nina666> gogeta: where
[01:55] <aaas> rinzler yes try apt-get install libticables-dev
[01:55] <sk1special> like New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[01:55] <gogeta> nina666: wget -q http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/oracle_vbox.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[01:55] <gogeta> nina666: then just apt-get update
[01:55] <nina666> gogeta: thanks! ;)
[01:55] <Jen> jasonbourne: try just asking your question, and if people are around who can answer it, you'll generally get an answer
[01:56] <Waraudon> I'm guessing the repository mirrors are getting hit pretty hard right now
[01:56] <rinzler> aaas: see if that works out. Thanks!
[01:56] <jasonbourne> does anyone know how to hide the sidebar in 12.04LTS?
[01:56] <cordoval> hi i just messed up my install of ubuntu 11.10
[01:56] <jasonbourne> it used to hide automatically...now it doesn't...
[01:56] <aaas> rinzler yeah just keep goign through installing the libraries the config script asks...alternatively larn about auto-apt run ./configure
[01:56] <sinichiro> Is anyone here using Gameranger?
[01:56] <cordoval> the graphics failed and i had tu turn machine off
[01:56] <gogeta> nina666: then you should be able to grab the latest version :)
[01:56] <cordoval> what can i do now, everytime i try to turn on the machine it failed with a message like git id unknown
[01:57] <rinzler> aaas: cool. Thanks!
[01:57] <yuri__> exorcise it, cordoval. Worked for mine. ;)
[01:57] <cordoval> it did downloaded the whole thing but it did not finish i think
[01:57] <nina666> gogeta: thx for the instructions... :)
[01:57] <cordoval> please tell me the steps
[01:57] <cordoval> I am in a try CD
[01:58] <sinichiro> jasonbourne, Ubuntu Tweak allows to do that among everything else
[01:58] <ruffleS> can anyone help me out here? i'd like to know whether or not this bug's been reported already. when you "aerosnap" a window to the sides and then try to move it out of its position window goes way bellow mouse cursor. (on ubuntu 12.04 unity)
[01:58] <jasonbourne> is that an add-on, sinichiro??
[01:58] <cordoval> please beg you help me
[01:58] <Waraudon> Is it possible to change repository mirrors after installation?
[01:58] <gogeta> jasonbourne: i think the myunity app can tweak all the settings
[01:58] <gogeta> Waraudon: shure
[01:58] <sinichiro> no, it's a separate problem for advanced Ubuntu settings, jasonbourne
[01:58] <schultza> how do i fix my ubuntu installation (grub not finding partition) it's there?
[01:59] <Pintballr9003> I'm in the middle of a 10.04 to 12.04 upgrade and got the same error on all four of my test machines: "Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python2.7-minimal'.  Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-configure for details (2)"  That section header doesn't exist.  Any ideas on where to look?
[01:59] <Athanasius> The Kernel OOM killer went apeshit >:(
[01:59] <sinichiro> lol, separate "program" rather, jasonbourne
[01:59] <Waraudon> The US mirror is really not working at all, so I'm going to have to use a different one during installation
[01:59] <jasonbourne> where do I find it??
[01:59] <cordoval> please help me my ubuntu 12.04 is not booting up
[01:59] <xangua> Can't get the notification in the Update Manager for upgrade to pangolin from lucid, any thing i should do¿ using main the server repository
[01:59] <gogeta> Pintballr9003: i dont think thats even in 12.04 does it kill your upgrade?
[02:00] <Pintballr9003> gogeta: Yes.
[02:00] <ruffleS> cordoval: what's wrong?
[02:00] <nina666> gogeta: the package name should be virtualbox, right?
[02:00] <gogeta> Pintballr9003: for me it was not installed untill i rmoved liber
[02:00] <sinichiro> myunity is in Software Center, jasonbourne. Ubuntu Tweak you can google and download.
[02:00] <gogeta> libre
[02:00] <gogeta> nina666: yea
[02:00] <jasonbourne> ok....domo arigato!!
[02:00] <quickquestion232> is the entire ubuntu community swamped by idiots like me that ruined their computers trying to install the new edition?
[02:00] <cordoval> ruffleS: it does not boot
[02:00] <gogeta> nina666: virtualbox-4.1
[02:01] <cordoval> it says something like git id unknown
[02:01] <szal> quickquestion232: define 'ruined', and how you went about to do so
[02:01] <ruffleS> cordoval: any error message appearing on your screen?
[02:01] <PSR_B1057> help me with hybrid graphic card - ATI and Intel
[02:01] <cordoval> is there a way to fix it I am currently typing on the CD try
[02:01] <sinichiro> So no gameranger users at all?
[02:01] <cordoval> ruffleS: yes
[02:01] <cordoval> what i just said, git id not recognized or unknown
[02:01] <nina666> gogeta: its weired.. it cannot find the package
[02:01] <gogeta> nina666: its virtualbox-4.1
[02:01] <cordoval> while bringing the services up
[02:02] <quickquestion232> szal: im working on it now, but i deleted a couple of old linux partitions and apparently one of them contained a dual boot screen that was more deeply rooted than i thought it was
[02:02] <nina666> gogeta: yea, apt-get install virtualbox-4.1
[02:02] <nina666> gogeta: coudlnt find package....
[02:02] <gogeta> nina666: didnt fine it?
[02:02] <PSR_B1057> Help needed with hybrid graphics on HP laptop - ATI and Intel
[02:02] <gogeta> nina666: did you apt-get update
[02:02] <nina666> yes
[02:02] <gogeta> nina666: i say just try toinstall the deb again
[02:02] <szal> quickquestion232: the way you put it, that sounds like a severe case of PEBKAC ;)
[02:02] <ruffleS> cordoval: have you checked your image md5? that might help
[02:03] <nina666> gogeta: ok :)
[02:03] <gogeta> nina666: with the new repo it should grab what you need
[02:03] <cordoval> how to do that ruffleS
[02:03] <quickquestion232> lol
[02:03] <quickquestion232> most likely
[02:03] <ruffleS> cordoval: are you on linux now?
[02:03] <cordoval> yes on ubuntu 10.10 32 bit version though, the cD try
[02:03] <quickquestion232> it was my fault, but its messsed up regardless
[02:03] <nina666> gogeta: nope.. same problem..
[02:03] <quickquestion232> ive created a larger problem, so to speak :p
[02:03] <cordoval> this is a 64 bit machine with 12.04 broken
[02:03] <ruffleS> cordoval: the command is: md5sum imagefile.iso
[02:04] <gogeta> nina666: humm
[02:04] <Pintballr9003> gogeta: removed what?  libre?
[02:04] <ruffleS> cordoval: you can try it then compare with official md5 on the download page
[02:04] <gogeta> Pintballr9003: yea python was not even installed untill i did that
[02:04] <cordoval> ruffleS: that is on the hard disk right? wonder how to mount the disk to do such command and where do i find that iso image
[02:05] <cordoval> oh so your concern is if the file downloaded it ok
[02:05] <Waraudon> Where is Ubuntu "loading additional components" from during installation?
[02:05] <cordoval> because i think the failure ruffleS  happened after that
[02:05] <ruffleS> cordoval: vc é brasileiro, certo? vá pra o #ubuntu-br que a gente te ajuda
[02:05] <szal> !br | ruffleS
[02:06] <cordoval> ruffleS: i speak spanish and english, better english
[02:06] <PSR_B1057> any help with hybrid graphic card ?
[02:06] <quickquestion232> what should i use to make a boot usb for a windows on a mac?
[02:07] <Pintballr9003> Gogeta: It doesn't look like anything called libre is installed
[02:08] <fizk_> yaaaay, Ubuntu 12.04!
[02:08] <Pintballr9003> I'm running server edition
[02:08] <gogeta> nina666: humm why are you missing python
[02:08] <naryfa> so what's up
[02:08] <E3D3> I was 'to brave' to upgrade to the Beta-version but couldn't work with it. So I waited for the RC. Will I have my good trustworthy Ubuntu back when I let Update-manager download another 700 MB ? Is that all I have to do ? 4.3-1ubuntu4 --> 4.3-1ubuntu5 ?
[02:08] <xangua> i can get the 10.10 notification aviable from Lucid, but when i change in Update Mnanager setting to upgrade only from LTS to LTS can't get the upgrade notification for Pangolin, whan can i do¿
[02:08] <gogeta> nina666: oh you should be able to search virtualbox in your favret package manager now
[02:08] <gogeta> nina666: that will find it heh
[02:08] <nina666> gogeta: ok maybe i should state this out here :D i am actually using backtrack as my OS... but the distro (/etc/lsb-release) is ubuntu 10.04 :D
[02:08] <taxman> lol
[02:09] <taxman> my 12.04 works
[02:09] <gogeta> nina666: heh
[02:09] <Waraudon> Welp, that answers my question. apparently it uses the package mirror if an Internet connection is available. Of course, I'm getting a read error from my USB drive :/
[02:09] <nina666> gogeta: :D
[02:09] <CaptainKnots> hey, I have both firefox and chromium installed on 12.04 and I'm not getting an indicator for either one on the unity launcher
[02:10] <Pintballr9003> nina666: backtrack is hardened and customized, I would go to the remote-exploit IRC channel and ask there
[02:10] <gogeta> CaptainKnots: mine was incis untill reboot
[02:10] <allure> hi... I'm trying to update to 12.04, but I've set some packages to "hold" and can't remember which ones... I have to unset them before updating, but how do I find out which ones are on hold?
[02:10] <gogeta> invis
[02:11] <nina666> Pintballr9003: the problem is that channel is not active and i got no responses... since /etc/lsb-release gives ubuntu, figured i can ask here..
[02:11] <naryfa> allure: how about synaptic
[02:11] <naryfa> allure: it won't show?
[02:11] <naryfa> allure: under upgradable
[02:11] <allure> naryfa: hmmm I never use synaptic, so I don't know. Normally use apt-get or aptitude.. will check, 1 min :)
[02:11] <Viman> Hello I'm trying to reinstall grub as described in the documentation, but it doesn't seem to work. Can anybody help me?
[02:11] <gogeta> Pintballr9003: i had libreoffice installed and when i removed it it installed python
[02:12] <gogeta> Pintballr9003: maybe your getting the same and its messing with the upgrader
[02:12] <iHarp> ok.. So how am I supposed to install video drivers if Xserver gets in the way?
[02:12] <Pintballr9003> gogeta: The only application installed on these boxes is paraview, they are part of a visualization cluster running 10.04 server edition.
[02:13] <gogeta> Pintballr9003: just odd its complaning abought a fackage it does not even include by defult
[02:13] <Viman> Hello, I'm trying to run boot-repair (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair) but I keep getting the message to quit synaptic even though it's not running. Can anybody help me?
[02:13] <PSR_B1057> ATI drivers not being installed on hybrid graphic card on HP laptop.. Hybrid Cards - ATI and Intel. All that works is Intel and ATI does not. Any suggestions ?
[02:14] <gogeta> PSR_B1057: turn off intel in bios if possable if not you will need to blacklist it temp
[02:14] <gogeta> PSR_B1057: so it will only use the ati
[02:15] <Paintballr9003> gogeta: The Following packages will be upgraded: <snip> python-minimal <bunch of other python packages>
[02:15] <gogeta> PSR_B1057: hybred switching does not work yet
[02:15] <schultza> apparently i should go back one edition until 12.04 works on install
[02:15] <gogeta> Paintballr9003: well if your using a diffrent miror maybe it lacks it
[02:15] <taxman> i am using 12.04. it's hot as a pizza
[02:15] <PSR_B1057> @gogeta: I had tried this on suse and debian. Now i have started using ubuntu but I am afraid it would end up like it did on other distros
[02:15] <gogeta> Paintballr9003: thats known to happon
[02:16] <schultza>  taxman, yes... it's brand new
[02:16] <gogeta> PSR_B1057: if you blacklist the intel it hould load the ati
[02:16] <gogeta> load
[02:16] <schultza> taxman: but im having problems installing it and having it boot right after
[02:16] <Fyodorovna> Viman, what are you booted to now?
[02:16] <Viman> LiveCD
[02:16] <Viman> PP
[02:16] <Paintballr9003> gogeta: Good Point, I think we are pointed at one of the other university's repo's thats on Internet2 for speed.  I'll try pointing one back at canonical
[02:16] <PSR_B1057> gogeta: should i first install ati catalyst or fglrx ?
[02:16] <taxman> lol, i downloaded this baby as soon as it's released
[02:17] <Fyodorovna> Viman, of? tell me exactly
[02:17] <Viman> The PP LiveCD (12.04)
[02:17] <gogeta> PSR_B1057: they probly will not install
[02:17] <gogeta> PSR_B1057: the oss driver should get you up and running well enough
[02:17] <PSR_B1057> gogeta: without drivers how is ati suppose to work ?
[02:17] <PSR_B1057> ok
[02:18] <Fyodorovna> Viman, follow the chroot here it defaults to. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#ChRoot
[02:18] <gogeta> PSR_B1057: pretty mutch all ati cards have open source drivers now
[02:18] <PSR_B1057> 5xxx series
[02:18] <gogeta> PSR_B1057: defently
[02:19] <gogeta> PSR_B1057: once you on th ati cardthe driver should install
[02:19] <gogeta> the
[02:19] <PSR_B1057> gogeta: so, the only thing i need to do is blacklist intel.
[02:19] <gogeta> PSR_B1057: switching will ned to be done by hand
[02:19] <gogeta> need
[02:19] <gogeta> PSR_B1057: yea that should force it to load the ati in its place
[02:19] <PSR_B1057> gogeta: can you explain a little since i am pretty new to linux
[02:20] <gogeta> PSR_B1057: linux load the first card it sees
[02:20] <Paintballr9003> PSR_B1057: it'll be a setting in your BIOS
[02:20] <Paintballr9003> to disable the intel card
[02:20] <gogeta> PSR_B1057: yea if you can turn it off in bios you can skip all this
[02:21] <gogeta> Paintballr9003: dunno if those laptops let you do that
[02:21] <cfedde> where can I find iso's for old versions?  I need to update some abandon ware from systems as old as 8.04
[02:21] <sinichiro> Okay, should I uninstall an older version of wine before installing a newer one through ppa?
[02:21] <gogeta> cfedde: why not just update em all
[02:21] <ripps> Has anyone written an extension for Gnome3 that intergrates Unity's HUD?
[02:22] <cfedde> gogeta: exactly.  I seem to need sources to do int.
[02:22] <cfedde> gogeta: or is there another way?
[02:22] <cfedde> s/sources/isos
[02:22] <gogeta> cfedde: well there is some legicy repos but upgrading them like that probly will fail
[02:23] <Sysss> hi
[02:23] <Sysss> I want to sell a program !!!!
[02:23] <Waraudon> Why do I keep failing the integrity test on the same file
[02:23] <gogeta> cfedde: the alt cds can be used as upgrade cds
[02:23] <gogeta> cfedde: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[02:23] <cfedde> gogeta: awesome!
[02:23] <cfedde> thanks
[02:23] <Waraudon> ./pool/main/l/linux/fs-secondary-modules-3.2.0-23-generic-pae-di_3.2.0-23.36_i386.udeb
[02:24] <^Mike> When I try to upgrade, I'm getting "pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages." Of the 3 causes listed, the most likely is probably "Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu" -- how can I get a list of such packages?
[02:24] <delinquentme> how do AWK and SED differ?
[02:24] <Waraudon> I already verified that my ISO is not corrupt
[02:24] <gogeta> cfedde: you can go from lts to lts
[02:24] <Fyodorovna> what is the hud keys
[02:24] <gogeta> cfedde: so you dont need every ver up to 12.04
[02:24] <cfedde> gogeta: that seems like the best approach.
[02:25] <vespakoen> Hey  guys, does anyone know the CLI command for the System Configuration ?
[02:25] <ikt> Fyodorovna, it's alt
[02:25] <gogeta> cfedde: so those 8.04 can go to 10.04 to 12.04
[02:25] <cfedde> gogeta: thanks again.
[02:25] <gogeta> cfedde: if they dont all blow up lol
[02:25] <schultza> Fyodorovna: thanks for the grub help... my installation is working now... not sure if viman got his working
[02:25] <hashbrowncipher> vespakoen: are you talking about "gnome-control-center" ?
[02:25] <cfedde> gogeta: heh. at least these are all vms so I can snapshot easily.
[02:26] <vespakoen> Hawsome! Hash =)
[02:26] <archangelokc> hey I"m having a problem with my mouse in 12.04
[02:26] <gogeta> cfedde: why not skip all that fresh install em all
[02:26] <cfedde> gogeta: fear mostly.
[02:26] <vespakoen> i am on xmonad, need figure this out again =P
[02:26] <cfedde> and the apps they are running
[02:26] <gogeta> cfedde: cant they be reinstalled
[02:27] <Fyodorovna> schultza, no problem the gui helpers like bot repair are okay but but their idiosyncrasies.
[02:27] <cfedde> gogeta: sure.
[02:27] <sinedeviance> so is anyone using x/k/ubuntu 12.04 in a production environment yet?
[02:27] <Viman> Fyodorovna: I'm not quite done, step 11 fails for me.
[02:27] <cfedde> gogeta: I suppose part of what I'm doing is procrastination.
[02:27] <DeathTorrent> is anyone else having a scrolling problem in 12.04?
[02:27] <Viman> Fyodorovna: I cannot perform grub-install in the chrooted system
[02:28] <gogeta> cfedde: or cheat if there vms
[02:28] <dforthman> DeathTorrent, define 'scrolling problem'
[02:28] <gogeta> cfedde: just make a new vm and copy it over
[02:28] <zykotick9> Viman: did you mount proc and the other stuff before chrooting?
[02:28] <schultza> for those with the ati/amd graphics card... do we install the fglrx driver or the fglrx (post-release updates)?
[02:28] <gogeta> cfedde: with the apps
[02:28] <DeathTorrent> well, my scrolling seems to somehow have become....inverted :/ I scroll the wheel down and the window scrolls up, and vice-cersa
[02:28] <DeathTorrent> *versa
[02:28] <Fyodorovna> Viman, is this a standard mbr setup?
[02:28] <Viman> Fyodorovna: step 7? yes
[02:28] <gogeta> cfedde: you can make a custom installer with the apps you whant oem style
[02:29] <dforthman> DeathTorrent, that's definately odd. I use a trackball with no scroll wheel, so I couldn't tell you if mine was acting up or not.
[02:29] <cfedde> gogeta: that might be the right approach.
[02:29] <gogeta> cfedde: so your vm users will just need to set there user and pass
[02:29] <Viman> Fyodorovna: no, what happened was that Precise's intallation hung in the last bits, forcing me to reboot. I cannot boot the system, and someone suggested me to reinstall grub
[02:29] <DeathTorrent> I've seen similar issues on the forums, but for scrolling right to left, not up and down
[02:29] <Waraudon> Has anyone manged to install 12.04 from a USB stick?
[02:30] <gogeta> cfedde: with the oem install image just send it to all the vms one install multi vms
[02:30] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: that's easy. use the easy usb creator.
[02:30] <dforthman> Waraudon, I've seen people say they were able to.
[02:30] <hashbrowncipher> DeathTorrent: I don't know why you are having that issue, but you can probably just change your X11 settings around and reverse it
[02:30] <hashbrowncipher> check this article, maybe: http://onethingwell.org/post/8779215052/reverse-scrolling-x11
[02:30] <DeathTorrent> ty hashbrowncipher
[02:30] <cfedde> gogeta: indeed.
[02:30] <Waraudon> sinedeviance, dforthman, no matter which utility I use, if I use the integrity check, it fails on the same file every time. I already hashed and verified the ISO
[02:31] <jsubl2> does the 64bit install support efi boot and gpt partitions
[02:31] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: download the .iso again.
[02:31] <Fyodorovna> Viman, I wonder if it is more broken then just reinstalling grub will fix. With grub problems I defer to using the bootscript to see whats really going on with some stuff, wont confirm whether grub will actually work though.
[02:31] <gogeta> cfedde: thats how i did it but with real boxes
[02:31] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: also, check your disk for errors afterward.
[02:31] <PSR_B1057> gogeta: i tried blacklisting the Intel card but still the Intel card is loaded
[02:31] <gogeta> PSR_B1057: you try in bios
[02:32] <Waraudon> Hopefully my USB stick isn't dying, the server doesn't have an optical drive in it
[02:32] <Loshki> sinedeviance: personally, I'd wait a least 3 months after an LTS goes out before I'd even consider declaring it stable, depending on how the feedback goes....
[02:32] <PSR_B1057> gogeta: I do not have any option in BIOS
[02:32] <sinedeviance> Loshki: any reason why in particular?
[02:32] <gogeta> Loshki: other then some upgrade isssue its pretty darn solid
[02:32] <gogeta> Loshki: nobody in hear going this is horribly wrong or broken
[02:33] <zykotick9> With an apt-cacher-ng proxy and the mini.iso (aka netinstall), I get "bad proxy" after entering the address.  from the busy box terminal the ip reports alive.
[02:33] <sinedeviance> i am evalutation ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu 12.04 in VMs at the moment. we are currently running xubuntu 11.10 on all of our machines, and while it has worked pretty well, the experience hasn't been perfect
[02:33] <szal> gogeta: what do you expect not even 24 hours after release? wait a few days, and reports will pop up ;)
[02:33] <dforthman> 14 hours after release*
[02:34] <sinedeviance> we wouldn't be upgrading too. all of them would be clean reinstalls
[02:34] <sinedeviance> i never trust upgrades
[02:34] <psusi> is anyone else having trouble downloading with zsync?  I'm trying to update from the last daily build and zsync keeps aborting the download
[02:34] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: by checking the disk afterwards, do you mean like chkdsk?
[02:34] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: if it's a windows machine, yes. chkdsk /r
[02:34] <Viman> Hello, my Update to Precise failed in the last step (removing previous packages) and now the system won't boot. Does anybody have a similar situation?
[02:35] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: if it's a linux machine, do fsck.ext4 (or whatever ext version you use) on your disk.
[02:35] <gogeta> cfedde: heh thats why i say fressh
[02:35] <x3oo> hi, how do i see which video driver is loaded?
[02:35] <Loshki> sinedeviance: gogeta: that's all great news so far, but sinedeviance asked about 'production', and that used to be a pretty high bar...
[02:35] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: it's Windows 7, and FAT32
[02:35] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: FAT32? wtf? why not NTFS?
[02:35] <gogeta> Loshki: its alot faster and not crash and unity does not make me sick
[02:35] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: Every utility formats the stick as FAT32
[02:35] <gogeta> Loshki: if thats the question
[02:36] <cfedde> gogeta: the group I joined has a pile of custom boxes installed with ubuntu de Jure over a period of say 6 years.
[02:36] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: wait, you mean your USB stick. it's the one that is not passing checksums? i thought the .iso wasn't?
[02:36] <psusi> jsubl2, yes, efi and gpt are supported
[02:36] <cfedde> step 1 p2v
[02:36] <jsubl2> thanks psusi
[02:36] <sinedeviance> Loshki, gogeta: well, i'm going to evaluate all three releases and we'll probably roll in whatever works best later this week
[02:36] <gogeta> cfedde: i say custom installer in oem mode so your users can set there pass after with there apps set preinstalled
[02:36] <FlimFlamMan> my upgrade attempt was derailed by xmind, package description in /var/lib/dpkg/status and /var/lib/dpkg/available had blank lines.
[02:36] <sinedeviance> ask me next month and i'll give you guys a field performance report :d
[02:36] <sinedeviance> :D
[02:37] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: I used the Universal USB Installer to put the 12.04 server i386 ISO onto the USB stick, then when I use the stick to install 12.04, it fails while retrieving additional packages. An integrity check shows one package fails to pass MD5
[02:37] <cfedde> gogeta: I agree.
[02:37] <gogeta> cfedde: then mass eatherboot em
[02:37] <Loshki> cfedde: may I pm you?
[02:37] <cfedde> gogeta: thanks for the advice
[02:37] <cfedde> Loshki: why>
[02:37] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: ahhh, so it's failing from a downloaded package?
[02:37] <PSR_B1057> gogeta: I don't have any option in BIOS to disable Intel.
[02:37] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: From one on the stick, I assume, I don't have an Internet connection during install since it takes too long
[02:38] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: gotcha. this isn't the netinstall server image right
[02:38] <sinedeviance> ?
[02:38] <gogeta> PSR_B1057: :( i have seen this issue before and i forgot the setps
[02:38] <gogeta> steps
[02:38] <Loshki> cfedde: I have a grammar question, too boring to go into on the main channel...
[02:38] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: Nope, it's the full ISO
[02:38] <cfedde> Loshki: sure
[02:38] <cfedde> e
[02:38] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: okay. in that case, try re-downloading the iso image. chances are it could be a bad source media.
[02:38] <rbik> what python version should I use if I want to manipulate the terminal in Ubuntu 11.10??
[02:38] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: i recommend the torrent version.
[02:39] <^Mike> How can I get a list of "Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu" (which seem to be blocking my upgrade path)?
[02:39] <gogeta> Waraudon: first week the main repo always goes down
[02:39] <sinedeviance> torrents will almost always download a complete file correctly, regardless of internet problems. and even if a chunk is bad, it can re-download that chunk on the fly.
[02:39] <PSR_B1057> gogeta: sad man :| hope there is someone who can help me out with this isseu
[02:39] <PSR_B1057> issue
[02:39] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: Could that even be possible? I hashed and verified the ISO already
[02:39] <gogeta> MikeN_: it should ask if you wanna remove them just say yes
[02:39] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: in that case it is unlikely, but not impossible. still, it's probably NOT the .iso at fault.
[02:39] <killown> any chance to clone the gnome shell behavior as super +  w does for unity? I'd like to bind super+w to work when the mouse cursor moves to the left edge
[02:40] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: you're positive the stick is good? have you tried re-creating the stick with univ. usb creator? does it fail on the same file every time?
[02:40] <gogeta> MikeN_: it just removes those repos not the packages themselfs
[02:40] <^Mike> gogeta: Were you talking to me? No, it doesn't ask if I'd like to remove them, there is just a close button, and then cdromupgrade exits
[02:40] <gogeta> MikeN_: :(
[02:40] <^Mike> gogeta: my exact reaction
[02:41] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: Yes and yes, it fails on the same file every time. ./pool/main/l/linux/fs-secondary-modules-3.2.0-23-generic-pae-di_3.2.0-23.36_i386.udeb
[02:41] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: It fails during the "Load installer components from CD" stage
[02:41] <sinedeviance> already found one mark against xubuntu 12.04; it has the same annoying "The folder cannot be opened" bug that 11.10 had. yeah, xubuntu is not ready yet.
[02:41] <Paintballr9003> Gogeta: moving back to canonical's mirrors ends in the same error, but further research reveals that the servers are still running 2.6 and are trying to upgrade to 2.7 with the move to 12.04
[02:41] <martian> Is there any way to prevent yourself from accidentlly issuing the -r flag for crontab when you mean to issue -e?
[02:41] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: so you're running i386 on a 64-bit system?
[02:41] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: i386 on an older machine that isn't 64-bit
[02:42] <gogeta> Paintballr9003: yea mirror death
[02:42] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: then anything related to the PAE kernel should not be installed.
[02:42] <xangua> I can't get the 'new release aviable' popup from Update Manager on Lucid to upgrade to Pangolin, i have installed all lucid updates and in the preferences is set to upgrade to LTS, whan can I do¿
[02:42] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: I'm not sure why it's loading that package, but it happens long before package selection
[02:42] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: PAE is for i368 systems to use more than 4GB of memory on x64 systems. it's also being phased out for this release.
[02:42] <gogeta> Paintballr9003: always a good idea to do this a week before hand many peopel dont relise they upgrade all beta to stabel in that time frame
[02:42] <Renard> Hello there
[02:42] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: i have absolutely no clue. sorry man :(
[02:43] <sinedeviance> that package should not be loaded
[02:43] <Renard> I'm trying to live stream my desktop from xvidcap to a rtmp:// stream
[02:43] <psusi> sinedeviance, pae has nothing to do with x64, it was for 32 bit systems to use more than 4gb of ram... if your cpu is 64 bit capable, you may as well use the 64 bit build
[02:43] <Renard> Anyone knows how this work?
[02:43] <ActionParsnip> xangua: could grab the alternate Precuise ISO and upgrade using that.
[02:44] <Renard> Also, xvidcap removed from 12.04 makes me a sad Renard
[02:44] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: I guess the only thing I can do is hook the Internet connection up and let it use the mirror, it's going to be so slow though
[02:44] <sinedeviance> psusi: yes, i just said that. but he's running i386 server on i386 hardware. that's why it makes no sense; his system doesn't NEED pae.
[02:44] <xangua> ActionParsnip: then i'll have to wait untill tomorrow, don't have an cd's D: thanks
[02:44] <Trel> Got a question, I need to edit the grub menu to manually add an entry, in Ubuntu 11 server, where is that stored? I don't seem to have a /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:45] <ActionParsnip> xangua: you don't need a CD, you can loop mount the ISO
[02:45] <ActionParsnip> Renard: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1746128
[02:45] <hash> hello
[02:45] <sfears> Trel: /etc/grub.d/40_custom & update-grub
[02:45] <cordoval> anyone can help me fixing my ubuntu 12.10 upgrade that failed without downloading it again?
[02:46] <rinzler> ./config asking for 'glib-2.0' Not sure how to proceed. Tried installing all that I can think of. any ideas?
[02:46] <hash> sorry im new to ubuntu
[02:46] <alusion> Ubuntu
[02:46] <Trel> sfears, where does it store it, I'd be more comfortable editing the file manually rather than using the script
[02:46] <alusion> y no support for Logitech G510 keyboard ?
[02:46] <ActionParsnip> alusion: logitech hates linux
[02:46] <xangua> ActionParsnip: really¿ but I need specific the alternat right¿
[02:46] <gogeta> ActionParsnip: must not hate it to mutch all my stuff works
[02:47] <ActionParsnip> xangua: yes, you need the alternate ISO, you can then mount it using:  sudo mkdir /media/iso; sudo mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /media/iso
[02:47] <sfears> you add custom entries to the 40_custom file.  you can edit the /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but it will be overwritten eveytime grub probes
[02:47] <sfears> Trel:
[02:47] <ActionParsnip> gogeta: they refuse to support the OS, the community may have made drivers however
[02:47] <Trel> How often does grub probe, just when I call update-grub?
[02:48] <Trel> I only need a one time entry
[02:48] <trism> rinzler: libglib2.0-dev
[02:48] <gogeta> ActionParsnip: keybord mouse usb headset all work
[02:48] <shaneo> is there a channel for photorec anywhere or can anyone assist me with a photorec wuestion
[02:48] <Renard> ActionParsnip, thanks for the head up
[02:48] <gogeta> ActionParsnip: but there nothing fancy so
[02:48] <psusi> sinedeviance, if he has 4gb of ram he does
[02:48] <Fyodorovna> Trel, can't you add it to the kernel at grub?
[02:48] <ActionParsnip> gogeta: they have fancy buttons and such which sometimes won't work
[02:49] <Trel> Fyodorovna: remote system
[02:49] <edinny> Went to download Precise, and it recommends the 32 bit version
[02:49] <Renard> unfortunately, no. VLC does not allow to only grab a part of the desktop, move that part when necessary, and stream to a rtmp server.
[02:49] <gogeta> ActionParsnip: mines pretty genraic in that sense probly why i have no issue
[02:49] <ActionParsnip> edinny: its due to the target audience of Ubuntu
[02:49] <rinzler> trism: thanks!
[02:49] <Renard> xvidcap / gtk-recordmydesktop do not record live
[02:49] <hash> so i have a question im running ubuntu 11.10 and when i start up it give me the option for ubuntu 2d and ubuntu
[02:49] <sinedeviance> psusi: it said it was older hardware so that's doubtful
[02:49] <ActionParsnip> gogeta: likely, one of the fancy ones with all the weird stuff probably won't have half the stuff working
[02:49] <edinny> ActionParsnip: so it does not look at my browser to determine how many bits my processor is?
[02:50] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: I think I found a problem
[02:50] <Renard> ffmpeg / command line do not allow to resize the grabbed aera
[02:50] <psusi> edinny, no... you have to choose to download the 64 bit version if you want/need it
[02:50] <uw> just came here to say: boooo ubuntu for not going back to Gnome
[02:50] <edinny> thanks
[02:50] <ActionParsnip> edinny: 32bit OS will run on 64bit CPU, so if you advise 32bit for those whom are not so PC literate it will be a hit each time :)
[02:50] <gogeta> edinny: if you dont have more then 3gb of ram its not relly going to matter
[02:50] <hash> when in ubuntu 2d i have a side bar and a power button wireless signal ect and in ubuntu i dont have any of that
[02:50] <Renard> Windows users are expected to use Adobe Media Encoder
[02:50] <ActionParsnip> edinny: you may not be downloading for the you are accessing the site with
[02:51] <ActionParsnip> hash: because 2d rocks \m/
[02:51] <gogeta> edinny: but if you knoe what prosser it is we can tell you. eg all core are 64 but as well as all i serise
[02:51] <hash> yeah but i cant use cube in 2d
[02:51] <edinny> gogeta: I have 4 gigs, so it matters?
[02:51] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: ./pool/main/l/linux/fs-secondary-modules-3.2.0-23-generic-pae-di_3.2.0-23.36_i386.udeb is what the integrity check fails on. The file is named incorrectly in the ISO. It ends in *.ude, not *.udeb
[02:51] <waterson> i'm having trouble updating from us.archive.ubuntu.com; i'm guessing this is a server load issue because precise shipped?
[02:51] <r3dhat> hi...I tried installing oracle java from a ppa. the install failed due to a bad tarball checksum, and now even when I remove the ppa, the package still errors every time I run an apt transaction. Even after I run autoclean and clean it still persists
[02:51] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: Renaming it fixes the failure during loading
[02:51] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: ahh... wow. i think the universal usb creator did something wrong
[02:51] <enzotib> hi, in LXTerminal (from 12.04), when I hit Shift-Ctrl-C it copies the selected region, but also interprets it as interrupt. It was not so in 11.10. Maybe a different configuration from my part, but where to look for?
[02:51] <ki4ro> I've been using 12.04 Beta and applying all updates sent in my direction...do I still to upgrade to 12.04 or am I there?
[02:52] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: I dunno, it happened with every utility.
[02:52] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: I'll check the actual ISO
[02:52] <gogeta> edinny: if you do lshw and pastbin it we can tell you
[02:52] <gogeta> edinny: that will tell us aought all your hardware
[02:52] <hash> ive also noticed a couple software differences
[02:52] <gogeta> edinny: sudo lshw
[02:52] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: It's wrong in the ISO too
[02:52] <OerHeks> r3dhat, use ppa-purge to undo the install
[02:52] <usr13> how do I tell the update manager not to update mozilla-firefox any more?
[02:53] <jvegiard> Hi everyone. I'm looking to installing Grub2 as boot loader on my Macbook 2,1 to start installing 12.04. Why I want to do this, because my superdrive is broken and Apple doesn't allow to boot legacy Oses from external devices. Ant advice will be appreciated. :)
[02:53] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: firewire-core-modules also ends in *.ude
[02:53] <psusi> edinny, if the system is less than a few years old and has 4gb of ram, I would go with the 64 bit version... then again, I've been running 64 bit since 2006
[02:53] <jvegiard> Any*
[02:53] <seeker3b> join #ubuntu-ch
[02:54] <sfears> jvegiard: use a liveCD to install to your main drive
[02:54] <Waraudon> I'm assuming this is some kind of mistake or bug
[02:54] <enzotib> in LXTerminal (from 12.04), when I hit Shift-Ctrl-C it copies the selected region, but also interprets it as interrupt. It was not so in 11.10. Maybe a different configuration from my part, but where to look for?
[02:54] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: most likely, yeah. i doubt your system has anything to do with it.
[02:54] <ActionParsnip> edinny: you can use PAE in 32bit and access up to 64Gb RAM in 32bit
[02:54] <gogeta> edinny: see i scrolled up around the top and it told me i have a  product: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3200+ thats 32bit
[02:54] <ki4ro> I've been using 12.04 Beta and applying all updates sent in my direction...do I still to upgrade to 12.04 or am I there?
[02:55] <jvegiard> Thks but I already tried and like I said, my superdrive is broken so i'm using and external firewire dvd
[02:55] <Fyodorovna> ki4ro, your there.
[02:55] <sinedeviance> hmm, so i'm thinking ubuntu with gnome classic. seems to work pretty good. i havent tested kubuntu yet though, so we'll see; still, i don't care much for kde 4.x so it'll probably be ubuntu.
[02:55] <edinny> gogeta: I have the same semporon
[02:55] <gogeta> edinny: your 32bit
[02:55] <ki4ro> Fyodorovna: Thanks...I thought I probably was...save the server some work tonight smile
[02:56] <edinny> gogeta: I have a 64 bit processor
[02:56] <gogeta> edinny: a 3200+ is not 64bit
[02:56] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: Seems like a pretty big problem though, maybe my system just exposed it for some reason. Is there any method to push out an updated ISO if necessary?
[02:56] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: i don't work on the ubuntu team so it's out of my hands. sorry :(
[02:56] <sinedeviance> Waraudon: the best you can do is file a bug report.
[02:56] <Fyodorovna> ki4ro, yeah, I'm seeding low pull rate though.
[02:56] <delinquentme> whats the ubuntu tool to insert text at the end of a file?
[02:56] <delinquentme> command line command
[02:57] <gogeta> edinny: its not even dual core
[02:57] <ki4ro> Fyodorovna: Not my fault smile
[02:57] <dr_willis> delinquentme: several ways. cat . echo. sed. awk
[02:57] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: I might have to if nobody else has discovered it yet. Is *.ude even a valid package extension? It seems there's either *.deb or *.udeb files
[02:58] <jvegiard> sfears: Thks but I already tried and like I said, my superdrive is broken so i'm using and external firewire dvd
[02:58] <gogeta> edinny: but with 4gb ram 32bit will work fine for you anything over would need some mods
[02:58] <edinny> thanks bye
[02:58] <psusi> gogeta, edinny, according to this, it depends on which model you have: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Sempron_microprocessors
[02:58] <sinedeviance> okay what the crap. gnome-classic looks messed up for some reason now :D
[02:59] <ludlow> Hows is 12.04 everyone?
[02:59] <plustax> ugh
[02:59] <sinedeviance> ludlow: just like 11.10 so far.
[02:59] <plustax> ludlow, im not a fan
[02:59] <ki4ro> ludlow: Good here in WV
[02:59] <delinquentme> dr_willis, i've seen cat used b efore .. whats the simple cat command to do that?
[02:59] <plustax> 10.10 dtw
[02:59] <plustax> ftw I mean
[02:59] <Endafy> anybody else having issues with Unity
[02:59] <ludlow> Worth upgrading to 12.04?
[02:59] <massivehole> I just installed 12.04 and my ethernet connection is not working out of the box!!!
[02:59] <plustax> yeah.
[02:59] <sinedeviance> hmm so it's only gnome-classic with effects that looks messed up
[03:00] <gogeta> psusi: relly a 64 bit septron i didnt think that started untill the x2 serise
[03:00] <plustax> try installing gnome 3 Endafy
[03:00] <Endafy> ludlow, in my experiences not yet
[03:00] <ludlow> Endafy, doh.
[03:00] <Endafy> plustax, ill just use Kubuntu
[03:00] <dr_willis> delinquentme:  use it in combo with the output redirection. or make 2files and cat into a third
[03:00] <ActionParsnip> sinedeviance: did you MD5 test the ISO you used?
[03:00] <Endafy> the new unity is too broken
[03:00] <ludlow> will apt-get dist-upgrade give me 12.04?
[03:00] <psusi> gogeta, according to that link, there were two different sempron 3200+ part numbers, one supports 64 bit
[03:00] <plustax> Endafy, 10.10 if you want effects. Most stable OS in existence.
[03:00] <Waraudon> sinedeviance: It seems the install is going to finish successfully, I'll reboot and make sure everything actually works. I also forgot to make a partition for Squid, so I'm going to have to reinstall anyway
[03:00] <gogeta> psusi: well yea the 3200 x2
[03:00] <ActionParsnip> ludlow: no, its more involved
[03:00] <dr_willis> cat foo bar > foobar
[03:00] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade | ludlow
[03:01] <Taar779_> Hello, I'm having some issues with sftp. I looked over my sshd_config file and its enabled. ssh works fine ... any ideas on what might be wrong? Maybe some setting that I'm overing looking?
[03:01] <ActionParsnip> psusi: I have a sempron 3000+, runs awesome
[03:01] <ludlow> ActionParsnip, thanks
[03:01] <ActionParsnip> Taar779_: can you ssh ok?
[03:01] <plustax> I just got me a new laptop today. Asus. 8 gigs of ram and a 4400mb processor
[03:01] <gogeta> ActionParsnip: heck yea forever old still goes
[03:02] <Taar779_> ActionParsnip, that is correct.
[03:02] <psusi> I guess those are getting fairly old now... I got an Athlon 64 3200+ back around when 6.06 came out
[03:02] <ActionParsnip> Taar779_: which clients have you tried?
[03:02] <gogeta> psusi: yea thats the 64 bit ones
[03:03] <sinedeviance> okay so ubuntu still sucks (thanks unity.)
[03:03] <sinedeviance> kubutnu time.
[03:03] <gogeta> sinedeviance: hua
[03:03] <sinedeviance> kubuntu even.
[03:04] <dr_willis> no unity ussues here.
[03:04] <gogeta> sinedeviance: how is it sucking
[03:04] <gogeta> sinedeviance: its responsiv and snappy for me
[03:04] <psusi> then I went to athlon 64 x4 5000+, and now quad core core2 duo @ 3.4 GHz
[03:04] <Taar779_> ActionParsnip, filezilla (with a key and with a password) and on my laptop with the sftp command. both say the connection times out
[03:04] <dr_willis> go old school with lubuntu. ;)
[03:04] <erujolc> in previous version of Ubuntu I have disable Nvidia Optimus at the BIOS level leaving my Acer i5 timeline to use integrated intel graphic chipset, I this for battery life and because of some reports of crashing, has things now improved with 12.04 that its a safe bet to re-enable (i dont play games or do video editing)?
[03:05] <sinedeviance> gogeta: unity sucks (still) and so does gnome-classic (there's not even a system tray ffs!)
[03:05] <gogeta> dr_willis: unity use to choke and die on my little netbook now its fast didnt even put lubuntu back
[03:05] <ActionParsnip> Taar779_: how about if you allow password connection, is it ok?
[03:05] <gogeta> sinedeviance: lo,l you just have to turn it on
[03:05] <sinedeviance> i'm sorry, but canonical did take a huge step back when they introduced unity. i dont like it, nobody in our company likes it, which is why we've been using xubuntu for the last two years
[03:05] <sinedeviance> at least xubuntu is sane.
[03:05] <gogeta> sinedeviance: install the app called myunity
[03:05] <dr_willis> erujolc:  try it and see.
[03:05] <psusi> Unity runs fine on my 1 GHz celleron netbook... my cell phone has a faster cpu
[03:06] <ki4ro> sinedeviance: If you're so disappointed why do you use it?
[03:06] <sinedeviance> gogeta: i have to install this on 25 machines. i dont have time to do post-config, frankly, i shouldn't need to for a "world class operating system"
[03:06] <erujolc> dr_willis, fair point
[03:06] <sinedeviance> ki4ro: we don't. that's exactly the point.
[03:06] <dr_willis> !oem
[03:06] <gogeta> sinedeviance: fair point i xubuntu or lubuntu for you
[03:06] <ki4ro> sinedeviance: So why are you here?  Just busting ubuntu's chops or ???
[03:06] <sinedeviance> gogeta: i turned unity off. how would myunity help?
[03:07] <erujolc> sinedeviance, you should have a way to do post-config, even if its as something as basic as fabric, especially if you manage 25 workstations
[03:07] <Taar779_> ActionParsnip, yeah turned that on since I'm trying to get my laptop setup with a key. Though now its saying: Recieved message to long (that's from the sftp command)
[03:07] <project_tab> whenever i vnc into my ubuntu desktop the host machine asks me to enter a password to confirm/allow the connection.  it's a real pain in the butt, only i cant figure out where to allow it to connect without the password.
[03:07] <sinedeviance> ki4ro: ubuntu is also kubuntu and xubuntu. those are fine in my opinion, if a little rough around the edges.
[03:07] <gogeta> sinedeviance: myunity can change how unity works turn on desktop icons menubars and so on
[03:07] <project_tab> it means that i always have to have a monitor hooked up.  not very convienent.
[03:07] <MiztaW> Haven't tried yet, but just downloading right now... I'm excited. I love the workflow of unity
[03:07] <project_tab> can anyone tell me where to disable that requirement for the password?
[03:07] <gogeta> sinedeviance: tweak it to your likeing
[03:07] <ki4ro> MYUNITY is very helpful and pretty straight forward
[03:08] <sinedeviance> ki4ro: my company has been running on ubuntu derivatives (and servers) for the past two years. the only thing i have against ubuntu is unity.
[03:08] <dforthman> sorry. i went to the restroom. did we determine if gogeta's cpu was 64-bit?
[03:08] <sinedeviance> gogeta: i'll try that then, thanks
[03:08] <ki4ro> sinedeviance: I see.  Can't use gnome?
[03:09] <sinedeviance> ki4ro: i would if 2.x was still an option. that's why we're running xubuntu -- it sticks to the old ways, which actually did work fine
[03:09] <gogeta> dforthman: some where yes but they where athlon64 not septrons
[03:09] <erujolc> is it possible to choose the monitor to mount the sidebar on unity yet? also if I mount the sidebar to external 2nd monitor, and then disconnect it, will it automatically shuffle back to other screen, in 12.04b1 it fail on nearly all scenarios
[03:09] <kwtm2> What's the channel to ask when 12.04 is coming out?  #plusoneUbuntu or something like that.
[03:09] <dforthman> gogeta, this will tell you if it's 32 or 64-bit: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep clflush\ size
[03:09] <ki4ro> sinedeviance: I see, well good luck with it...I'm you'll sort it out
[03:09] <erujolc> downloading 12.04release now but if any experience eager to know
[03:09] <sinedeviance> ki4ro: i would just go with xubuntu again but xubuntu 11.10 had some annoying bugs that still aren't fixed in 12.04. so that's no longer an option.
[03:09] <psusi> kwtm2, it's out
[03:10] <OerHeks> kwtm2, 12.04 is out
[03:10] <gogeta> dforthman: not always my atom comes up 64 bit with that
[03:10] <enzotib> in LXTerminal (from 12.04), when I hit Shift-Ctrl-C it copies the selected region, but also interprets it as interrupt. It was not so in 11.10. Maybe a different configuration from my part, but where to look for?
[03:10] <gogeta> dforthman: its not 64 it has some 64 support
[03:10] <dr_willis> kwtm2:  i thought it showed up on both. and had some settings. but i havent tried multi mon. in ages
[03:10] <sinedeviance> gogeta: some atoms (mainly the ones after the first couple years) were 64-bit
[03:10] <lauratika> just upgrade to 12.04  and dash seems bit unresponsive... when i place the mouse on the left side of the screen it wont show up... waht could be the problem?
[03:10] <dforthman> I believe those older semprons should be accurate
[03:10] <psusi> gogeta, huh?  "some" 64 bit support?  it's kind of either all or nothing
[03:10] <socrates_johnson> erujolc: as fate would have it, my laptop is dying and i need a replacement asap. i'm looking at a laptop with a NVIDIA GeForce GT 540M with optimus. Is that going to be a problem?
[03:11] <gogeta> psusi: nope some atoms had 64 emu
[03:11] <gogeta> clflush size	: 64
[03:11] <gogeta> and i knoe this is not 64bit
[03:11] <project_tab> i checked in desktop sharing preferences but i do not see anything pertaining to having the remote machine enter system pw to allow vnc connection
[03:11] <gogeta> i tryed to install it once and it failed
[03:11] <dr_willis> my netbook can run 64 bit ubuntu. which suprised me..
[03:11] <erujolc> will report back in about an 1hr just about to put the iso on CD and try it, private message your email if not about
[03:11] <erujolc> s/cd/usb
[03:12] <dforthman> that's weird. i've never seen it report 64 if it's not a 64-bit processor
[03:12] <gogeta> dforthman: the septron was made before 64 bit was thought of
[03:12] <psusi> cache line size doesn't have anything to do with 32 bit vs 64
[03:12] <Waraudon> Gah, I hate how Ubuntu always installs GRUB on the wrong disk when you're using a USB stick
[03:13] <Waraudon> It overwrites the bootloader on the USB stick and blows that up
[03:13] <psusi> Waraudon, never seen it do that...
[03:13] <EzeQL> hi, if i run which APP , it returns the default release of APP. I want to use a nigthlie of APP located in another directory. how can i do it?
[03:13] <dr_willis> Waraudon:  never had that peoblem
[03:13] <Waraudon> It happens every time I use a USB install
[03:14] <dforthman> gogeta, sorry, i was thinking of the wrong command. it's getconf LONG_BIT
[03:14] <gogeta> psusi: some prossers like the atom n270 are not true 64
[03:14] <dr_willis> EzeQL:  rearange your PATH order
[03:14] <gogeta> dforthman: 32 on that
[03:14] <ljsoftnet> what does "Could not open /dev/mixer" mean, when i open gnome radio, by the way it has no sound, but can pick up FM signal
[03:15] <sinedeviance> erujolc: so earlier you mentioned fabric. is that good?
[03:15] <psusi> gogeta, how is there a half way?  either it supports 64 bit instructions/addressing/registers, or not...
[03:15] <Waraudon> Interesting, for some reason it's using the pae kernel
[03:15] <sfears> ljsoftnet: maybe an alsa issue
[03:15] <dforthman> gogeta, this will tell you also: sudo lshw -C cpu | grep width
[03:15] <gogeta> psusi: some not all
[03:15] <project_tab> thx guys
[03:15] <ljsoftnet> sfears can i fix it?
[03:16] <lauratika> does any one has issues with dash bar not showing up or taking a lot of time?
[03:16] <taxman> no
[03:16] <gogeta> dforthman: thats 64
[03:16] <Waraudon> Is 12.04 using the generic PAE kernel on a 32-bit system with 1GB of RAM normal? I think 11.04 did it too
[03:16] <taxman> my dash bar is ok so far
[03:16] <erujolc> fabric is basically a simple wrapper over ssh, so you can do fabric host1 host2 host3 -command rm -fr /  (cant remembre exact syntax), but most people will use it programatically from python to check conditions, executing different paths, collect more fine grain metric rather just throwing out commands at 25 machines
[03:16] <dforthman> gogeta, ha
[03:17] <sfears> ljsoftnet: what does "apt-cache policy alsa-base" say?
[03:17] <erujolc> puppet and chef are big boy tools, but greater learning curve
[03:17] <gogeta> dforthman: i have 2 like that my n270 and this 3200+
[03:17] <sinedeviance> erujolc: ahh, gotcha. i already do most of that stuff using ssh and cron
[03:17] <gogeta> dforthman: i looked it up before and its some odd set they used when 64bit was starting up
[03:17] <sinedeviance> i have a cron setup where i can ssh in scripts to multiple machines and then cron will run them
[03:17] <psusi> Waraudon, I think the rule was if your cpu supported pae, it used it... iirc, for 12.04, non pae is no longer supported
[03:17] <yeik> well, the laptop upgraded to 12.04 with very little issue so far.
[03:18] <dforthman> gogeta, gotcha. gotta love the emulations. messes everything up
[03:18] <erujolc> yeah with fabric it is push, your setup is pull (so is chef)
[03:18] <Waraudon> psusi: That's probably fine then. It is quite old hardware, AMD Athlon XP 3200+, 1GB DDR RAM
[03:18] <gogeta> dforthman: i think they where bad 64 bis rebranded 32
[03:18] <gogeta> bits
[03:18] <Waraudon> I would install more RAM if the HP BIOS would allow it, but it doesn't
[03:18] <gogeta> dforthman: thats pretty normal fo prosser makers
[03:19] <dforthman> gogeta, yeah. that seems normal
[03:19] <psusi> Waraudon, time to upgrade? ;)
[03:19] <naryfa> how do I check which packages have I put on hold with apt-get?
[03:19] <Waraudon> psusi: I've definitely been wanting to for a while. A little Mini-ITX system would be perfect
[03:19] <Waraudon> and probably use way less power
[03:19] <sfears> naryfa: maybe with aptitude?
[03:19] <ljsoftnet> sfears http://pastebin.com/Av3zpZby
[03:20] <naryfa> sfears: bingo, thanks
[03:20] <socrates_johnson> erujolc: have you tried bumblebee?
[03:20] <erujolc> are gnome-do and launchy still the recommended launcher choices for lightweight desktops like xfce?
[03:20] <sfears> ljsoftnet: close radio and try "modprobe snd-mixer-oss" and reopen radio
[03:20] <erujolc> nope, what is it?
[03:21] <Athanasius> how do I make a spec display at the top of the screen (12.04)? I have a system monitor thing on my 10.04 machine that displays cpu/ram/swap/system load, trying to figure out how to get that on this machine but the top bar doesn't respond to rightclicks
[03:21] <psusi> Waraudon, last year overhauled to a nice core2 sandybridge 3.4 GHz setup with 4gb of ram and was surprised by how little power it uses... only 120 watts when idle and the vast majority of that seems to be the old radeon video card I kept instead of getting a mobo with the integrated intel graphics
[03:21] <gogeta> dforthman: i popped in my 64 cd my mastake once and it did not work so who knoes
[03:21] <Waraudon> psusi: I think anything would be a welcome improvement over an old OEM HP box
[03:21] <ljsoftnet> sfears it says FATAL error
[03:21] <psusi> Waraudon, actually, it's only drawing 103 watts now that I have all of my old rotational disks sleeping
[03:22] <gogeta> psusi: i draw 35
[03:22] <psusi> Waraudon, indeed, hp is terribad
[03:22] <erujolc> reading on archwiki, seems more for big gfx systems, i just want smooth effects, with no dent to battery life
[03:22] <Waraudon> psusi: IO
[03:22] <gogeta> psusi: gotta love the n270
[03:22] <Waraudon> psusi: I'm not sure I even want to know how much power this thing is using *
[03:22] <sfears> say's not found, don't be so dramatic ljsoftnet
[03:22] <psusi> gogeta, on a desktop?  nice... yea, I probably would too if not for the damn radeon... it's a power hog
[03:22] <socrates_johnson> erujolc: a fix for the optimus issue i think? http://www.bumblebee-project.org/  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1861209
[03:22] <gogeta> psusi: on a 900a eepc
[03:23] <k014> hello everyone!... i want to update to ubuntu 12.04 but i dont now what are the differences between updating via ubuntu updater, or making a fresh install...
[03:23] <k014> i always chose backup and make a fresh install..... but i am kind of tired about making backups of everything every 6 months, there is a better workflow for this?
[03:23] <erujolc> i guessing bumblebee isnt part of 12.04 out the box?
[03:23] <gogeta> psusi: i is at work leeching wifi
[03:23] <trism> Athanasius: if you mean the system monitor applet for the gnome-panel, indicator-multiload is similar for unity, add it to startup applications
[03:23] <psusi> k014, making a backup is still a good idea, but yea, you can just do the upgrade and unless something goes wrong, save yourself the trouble of reinstalling everything
[03:24] <k014> yes but upgrading, does not improve any visuals, i mean, new menus or login screens
[03:24] <sinedeviance> gogeta: myunity helps but it doesn't really do what i want (which is a system that is more like gnome 2.x)
[03:24] <socrates_johnson> erujolc: i don't think so
[03:25] <gogeta> sinedeviance: you will probly like xfce in that case
[03:25] <sinedeviance> *sigh*
[03:25] <gogeta> sinedeviance: or xubuntu
[03:25] <sinedeviance> gogeta: i've been using xubuntu for years. i said that just 30 lines ago. i already know everything about it.
[03:25] <erujolc> i probably wont be trying that then, i had all my bastardization fun in archlinux im getting old now so i just want what works, install os, pull down dotfiles, adjust a few settings, reboot and go
[03:26] <sfears> ljsoftnet: try installing libsnack2-alsa or libsnack2 either or and see if it helps
[03:26] <Athanasius> trism: excellent, that provided exactly what I was looking for thank you
[03:26] <sinedeviance> i want to be able to run apps from a dropdown menu or from the desktop. the unity dash wastes time and kinda sucks tbh.
[03:26] <BlueClaw> Looking for "OpenCL drivers". I found OpenCL headers in synaptic, is that the same thing? Anyone know? :)
[03:26] <Waraudon> I'd also like to be able to get rid of the 4-partition limit of MBR on a new machine, without having to use extended partitions
[03:27] <socrates_johnson> erujolc: so you basically just don't use the nvidia card in linux at all?
[03:27] <Ass> Dloded 12.04 yet?
[03:27] <cordoval_> mid way on installation process for ubuntu 12.04 upgrade graphics failed and i happened to reboot, now it gives error like git id unrecognized
[03:27] <k014> my workflow nowadays is to create several symbolic links to everything pointing to my home folder, this way i just backup the home folder, and then install any new version of ubuntu, and then just reset the links
[03:27] <cordoval_> how can i fix my install witohut loosing or moving my data around?
[03:27] <cordoval_> just need commands please begging
[03:27] <ActionParsnip> Waraudon: delete one and make it into an extended partition, then make logical partitions in that
[03:28] <erujolc> No, in the BIOS you can disable it, but once this finishes copying to USB i'll install 12.04 and enable it for a try, but i wont be doing anything hacky, if any dent > 5% to battery its back to using integrated only, unless things fly like a rocket and its simply amazing
[03:28] <cordoval_> crying like a baby on my corner
[03:28] <ActionParsnip> cordoval_: use your backups if necessary
[03:28] <k014> i duno if thats is ok, or you masters of ubuntu have a bbeter workflow for mayor updates
[03:28] <cordoval_> what do you mean by use your backups
[03:28] <erujolc> Waraudon, with MBR you can't
[03:28] <erujolc> perhaps you can try GPT
[03:28] <cordoval_> i need some guidance
[03:28] <cordoval_> please i am not an expert
[03:28] <Waraudon> erujolc: That's the idea, but to boot a GPT disk I'd need a UEFI board
[03:29] <Loopb4ck> I have a toshiba satellite l775d and Kernel cmdline requires "i8042.reset=1 i8042.nomux=1" to be added every time the Kernel needs to be updated. is there a way to automate this?
[03:29] <sinedeviance> ooh i just figured out how to fix the thunar bug in xubuntu. looks like xubuntu 12.04 is it :D
[03:29] <socrates_johnson> erujolc: i'm not old but i don't want to mess around with stuff either. i'm just nervous about buying a new laptop if this optimus thing is a problem (and my current laptop is dying the week before finals). so the options are full-time integrated or full-time nvidia?
[03:30] <xangua> i believe my isp restricts my band usage, everytime I use specific torrents I got disconected several times D: whant can I do about it¿
[03:30] <psusi> Waraudon, what's wrong with extended partitions?
[03:30] <psusi> Waraudon, and you can get a bios machine to boot from gpt
[03:30] <Waraudon> psusi: Nothing really, but I really need to just get everything off the disk and start over. it's a mess right now, / is on partition 3
[03:31] <psusi> Waraudon, so?
[03:31] <erujolc> its not a problem, i disabled it in BIOS and it uses the intergrated gfx, i have native resolution, can run gimp, watch videos, movies/divx, connect an external monitor via hdmi. the only thing if there is a fantastic gfx inside id like to use if its doesnt kill battery of dent reliability, but I have a feeling we might have to wait till 3.4, 3.5 before all this stuff is seamless
[03:32] <erujolc> so perhaps you get the feeling your not getting everything you pay for, but the only laptops i could find with pure integrated intel only for too low end, so i went mid-range and disable to discrete gfx unit
[03:32] <ibfrog> sorry for just breaking into the conversation randomly, but anyone here an audio expert?  I can't seem to make my panther point  Intel hd audio make a noise
[03:32] <cordoval_> ActionParsnip:
[03:32] <ActionParsnip> cordoval_: if your data is important to you, you will have made a duplicate copy on some external storage to your system, like a USB HDD
[03:32] <cordoval_> what do you mean
[03:32] <brolman2> \list
[03:32] <cordoval_> oh it is important but i did not do it
[03:32] <cordoval_> sorry
[03:32] <brolman2> \list
[03:32] <ibfrog> brolman2, try /list
[03:33] <cordoval_> even if i did my backups, you are not answering my aux call
[03:33] <cordoval_> because i don{t know how to proceed
[03:33] <erujolc> Waraudon, are you sure you need EFI to boot to a GPT disk. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table
[03:34] <L3top> erojulc you might try creating an xorg.conf and just setting the BusID
[03:34] <L3top> erujolc: but if you want to switch back and forth bumblebee is the way to go atm for intel/nvidia
[03:35] <erujolc> thanks, bullocks to that, i leave it disable in BIOS, one day i'll be able to use surely, but back on review in 6 months tag for now
[03:35] <k014> hello!, i want to know how do you deal with new ubuntu releases.... i mean.... do you use updater?, or backup and clean install?, i ise clean install but i am tired of backups every 6 months, there is a better way to do this? what are your workflows?
[03:35] <ibfrog> late to the conversation but trying to keep up ... whats bumblebee?
[03:35] <Roey> Hello, I have a PPA that overrides my main Oneiric installation.  How do I pin it so that I download the packages from the PPA by default?  apt-get is refusing to see past the package in the main installation.   https://launchpad.net/~lekensteyn/+archive/wacom-tablet?field.series_filter=oneiric
[03:36] <zoeymarie> Is it possible to hide network locations for a user on my system? I don't want them to be able to see the Places/Network at all, if possible... gconf? chmod?
[03:36] <erujolc> some switcher, power management controller, early days project to enable full support for laptops with integrated and discrete ati/nvidia cards
[03:36] <L3top> It is an application to switch back and forth between integrated and discreet gpus on intel/nvidia dual gpu laptops
[03:36] <L3top> I believe they are nvidia only.
[03:36] <ibfrog> interesting, thanks L3top
[03:37] <ibfrog> zoeymarie, what do you mean by hide network locations?
[03:37] <L3top> switcheroo I think addresses the ati/ati cards... not particularly sure. We just force over the better gpu in all cases for our stuff.
[03:38] <erujolc> at the expense of battery life?
[03:38] <zoeymarie> ibfrog, like, when you click "places," and the "network" folder, we have a bunch of different things to connect to--I'm pretty sure none of our clients would be able to connect to them anyways, but I don't even want them to know they are there (so they don't try...)
[03:38] <L3top> we are graphics oriented. We don't care about your battery. We would prefer you not use laptops at all, but if you do, we force the big guns.
[03:39] <L3top> we need compositing etc
[03:39] <erujolc> understandable scenario
[03:39] <ActionParsnip> cordoval_: try running:  apt-get -f install    in a root recovery console
[03:39] <ActionParsnip> cordoval_: I suggest you look into a backup system
[03:40] <ibfrog> zoeymarie, what version of ubuntu / gnome are you running?
[03:40] <zoeymarie> ibfrog, 10.04 (Lucid) and GNOME2
[03:41] <cordoval_> ActionParsnip: boot recovery console is my terminal from the cd live right?-
[03:41] <ibfrog> I'm on unity and 12.04... trying to remember what GNOME2 ended up looking like
[03:41] <ActionParsnip> cordoval_: no, just hold shift at boot, choose recovery mode, select root
[03:41] <ibfrog> my other system is running gnome-shell and not helping
[03:41] <cordoval_> oh but what if i cannot get that far?
[03:41] <ActionParsnip> cordoval_: then you'll need to chroot from liveCD
[03:42] <ibfrog> zoeymarie, is the places->network a list of file shares?
[03:42] <cordoval_> hmm i am burning USB with 12.04 now
[03:42] <cordoval_> almost done, i guess from there i can do things right?
[03:42] <zoeymarie> ibfrog, yes, I believe so.
[03:42] <Athanasius> it'd be really nice if, for the first 2 weeks after a new version of ubuntu was released, they only allowed retrieving of isos via torrent. Prevent the mirrors from being overloaded to hell and back :(
[03:42] <cpatrick08> ibfrog, you can install mate it you want the look and feel of gnome 2 http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download#ubuntu_precise_pangolin_1204_repository
[03:42] <ActionParsnip> cordoval_: yes in a chroot the commands will be runing on the installed OS.
[03:42] <datruth> in /etc/fstab I have an UUID how can I find the UUID of my other partitions?
[03:42] <Kreaz> hi, i have a problem install ccsm, after I uninstalled GNOME 3. http://paste.ubuntu.com/948884/
[03:42] <Kreaz> ubuntu: 11.04
[03:42] <ibfrog> cpatrick08, thanks for the link... checking now
[03:43] <ActionParsnip> cpatrick08: or use xfce for a desktop that is supported here
[03:43] <cpatrick08> no problem
[03:43] <cpatrick08> ActionParsnip, true
[03:43] <|Anthony|> is there any benefit to having IPv6 enabled?
[03:43] <erujolc> datruth, blkid
[03:43] <aFeijo> hi guys
[03:43] <ibfrog> mate is a gnome2 compatability layer of sorts?
[03:43] <Roey> hey anyone here know apt preference pinning?
[03:43] <throwaway_rq> If I dont want to run unity, what's the best alternative for gnome interface?
[03:43] <ActionParsnip> ibfrog: its an unofficial fork
[03:44] <ActionParsnip> throwaway_rq: there is no 'best' anything
[03:44] <aFeijo> can I enable the app swapper effects (super+w, super+tab, etc.) without 3d graphic enabled?
[03:44] <yeik> |Anthony|, There can be, but it depends on what you want it for.
[03:44] <throwaway_rq> gnome-fallback-session?
[03:44] <erujolc> throwawa_rq, xfce imho
[03:44] <ActionParsnip> throwaway_rq: install xfce4 package, log off, log in to xfce session and use that
[03:44] <ibfrog> hrm... tempting... I've been trying to bend gnome-shell to my needs but its been a battle so far
[03:44] <datruth> erujolc: awesome thx
[03:44] <throwaway_rq> ActionParsnip: i shall rephrase, i mean ANOTHER alternative, doesn't have to be best
[03:44] <throwaway_rq> xfce, thanks.
[03:44] <cordoval_> ActionParsnip: will the apt'get be destructive of my data?
[03:44] <ActionParsnip> cordoval_: no it just updates the package
[03:44] <throwaway_rq> do i need to apt-get it, erujolc?
[03:44] <Kreaz> hi, i have a problem install ccsm, after I uninstalled GNOME 3. http://paste.ubuntu.com/948884/, it said: Broken Package, (Ubuntu 11.04)
[03:45] <ActionParsnip> cordoval_: again, get a backup
[03:45] <throwaway_rq> best way to make a bootable disc is dd if=iso of=/dev/sdx?
[03:45] <throwaway_rq> bootable usb*
[03:45] <ibfrog> zoeymarie, why are you trying to restrict network->places again?
[03:45] <Athanasius> it's always good to backup but apt-get will basically never destroy your data. If you foul something up like turning off your computer in the middle of installing packages bad things can happen but anything that's in /home should still remain intact
[03:45] <erujolc> unetbootin or startup disk creator
[03:45] <Athanasius> throwaway_rq: yes
[03:46] <throwaway_rq> erujolc: unetbootin doesn't support latest iso
[03:46] <Athanasius> throwaway_rq: just make absolutely sure you don't typo sdx
[03:46] <socrates_johnson> L3top: if i may interject, so is it possible to run the nvidia card (in the optimus setup) at all times without a problem? my laptop is basically always plugged in so battery is not a huge concern of mine
[03:46] <erujolc> although unetbootin has just failed for me so trying
[03:46] <erujolc> ah that would be why then
[03:46] <erujolc> lol
[03:46] <throwaway_rq> Athanasius: merci, yeah, i did that and i killed my macbook's efs a while ago
[03:46] <throwaway_rq> and it wont boot now
[03:46] <throwaway_rq> killed /dev/rdisk0
[03:46] <Athanasius> ouchie
[03:46] <|Anthony|> yeik, well... it's enabled by default. Just wondering if it would be good for me to disable it. My ISP isn't providing me with IPv6 atm.
[03:46] <erujolc> will startup disk creator work from ubuntu 11.10 to create a 12.04 iso? or should i cancel and do dd?
[03:47] <erujolc> s/iso/bootable-usb/
[03:47] <ibfrog> unetbootin worked to create a 12.04 image for me on a a usb stick
[03:47] <ibfrog> thats how I installed my current instance
[03:47] <yeik> |Anthony|, then the ipv6 is internal only unless you install software for ipv6 tunnelling. so then it doesn't matter.
[03:47] <L3top> socrates_johnson: I don't have enough testers with the optimus chipset to tell you for sure that there is no problem, but we do this for other circumstances where an onboard cannot be shutoff.
[03:47] <|Anthony|> also read something yesterday about IPv6 has some security vulnerabilities still
[03:47] <erujolc> hmmm I got 'No Default or UI configuration derivative found\n boot:
[03:47] <erujolc> '
[03:48] <erujolc> probably a fake usb stick to be fair seems super slow for a kingston
[03:48] <ActionParsnip> throwaway_rq: I'd use unetbootin
[03:48] <socrates_johnson> L3top: okay, and it just forces the better graphics configuration at all times?
[03:48] <Athanasius> |Anthony|: Uh. Every networking protocol has vulnerabilities. IPv4 is littered with vulnerabilities a la ARP
[03:48] <yeik> |Anthony|, i don't know if i heard any security vulnerabilities other than the fact that every ipv6 address is acceble externall, so not natted like people are use to.
[03:48] <apies> can i connect fb with xchat ? iam newbie
[03:49] <yeik> accessible*
[03:49] <L3top> socrates_johnson: I handle all of the auto detection stuff... so basically if there are two cards, I install appropriate drivers for the second, we generate our own xorg from scratch and I set the BusID.
[03:49] <Athanasius> apies: uh, no
[03:49] <erujolc> whats fb?
[03:49] <Athanasius> facebook I assume
[03:49] <apies> facebook
[03:49] <SamEEE> lawl
[03:49] <Athanasius> speaking of which, what's the unity thing that lets you get facebook notifications on the desktop
[03:49] <erujolc> yikes, hopefully not
[03:49] <wylde> Athanasius: *shudder* you mean gwibber?
[03:49] <ActionParsnip> apies: you may be able to forward the chat using bitlbee
[03:50] <SamEEE> apies - if anyone would know it would be #xchat
[03:50] <Athanasius> I think so
[03:50] <apies> i get install pidgin but in applications list no pidgin there
[03:50] <Kreaz> Athanasius: do you mean the notification on taskbar/widget on desktop?
[03:50] <apies> yes
[03:50] <ActionParsnip> apies: try pressing ALT+F2 and type 'pidgin'
[03:50] <yeik> apies, unity? or something else, pidgin is under internet
[03:50] <apies> ubuntu 10.04
[03:50] <socrates_johnson> L3top: okay. sorry, i'm not too great at this stuff. if i just install ubuntu without the proprietary nvidia drivers will it use the better card full-time by default?
[03:50] <ibfrog> Athanasius, smells like gwibber to me
[03:51] <|Anthony|> Athanasius, there will always be chinks in the armor so to speak. I was sleepy when i was reading and don't remember the particulars. But yeik makes an interesting statement
[03:51] <Lambda3> I am currently trying to install ubuntu, but apparently, I can't have more than 4 primary partitions on my hdd. I need some help in figuring out what partition I could get rid of. I am thinking about getting rid of the ntfs partition that is 200 mb large and has a boot flag. If I delete this partition, would I be unable to boot up windows, even after the ubuntu bootloader is installed?
[03:51] <ActionParsnip> Lambda3: 200Mb isn't enoungh to hold Ubuntu
[03:51] <cordoval_> where are the md5 numbers for iso_
[03:51] <cordoval_> cannot find them on the website
[03:51] <ibfrog> Lambda3, lots of questions on that ....
[03:51] <cordoval_> url anyone please?
[03:51] <L3top> socrates_johnson: No. It will almost certainly use the integrated intel. Our project is not standard.
[03:51] <erujolc> socreators_johnson, if enabled in the BIOS i presume it will use the open source nvidia drivers, you'll then get a prompt to install the closed faster drivers under 'Additioanl drivers' afaik
[03:51] <|Anthony|> Lambda3, consider extended partitions
[03:51] <Lambda3> No, I mean I would delete that partition and resize the one holding my windows files
[03:51] <ibfrog> there are extended partitions you can use to hold additional data
[03:52] <Kreaz> make a logical partition maybe?
[03:52] <yeik> |Anthony|, you don't have anything to really worry about if your isp doesn't provide support. I wish mine did so I could get it set up with ipv6 and learn firewalls for it. should improve proper security instead of relying on NAT
[03:52] <erujolc> i stand corrected
[03:52] <ActionParsnip> cordoval_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/
[03:52] <dforthman> is there a way to make it so when i'm pressing alt to heal myself in wow, it doesn't think i'm pressing a key to do something with the window it's running in?
[03:52] <ActionParsnip> cordoval_: couldn't find that with websearches?