[21:06] <Eduard_Munteanu> iptablesHelp01: and try using the NIC's IP instead of <IP_ADDRESS> above.
[21:06] <Guest49388> Hey, I'm trying to install Ubuntu but I have no back up medium, is it possible to repartition and move the files over from one system to another then delete the old partitions and re-size ubuntu up to full disk size? I know it's a bit long winded, but I have no spare back up hard drive
[21:06] <Eduard_Munteanu> iptablesHelp01: or the redirect target equivalently
[21:07] <iptablesHelp01> Big terms  :) << Eduard_Munteanu
[21:07] <Eduard_Munteanu> iptablesHelp01: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp --sport domain -j REDIRECT --to-ports 9876
[21:07] <MonkeyDust> !clone > Guest49388
[21:08] <Guest49388> MonkeyDust: It's Arch Linux I wish to replace, on the live hard drive, with no back up drive
[21:08] <caixa> is there anyway to monitor application load on my GPU?
[21:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> iptablesHelp01: but consider why you're doing it... the system won't be getting those packets anymore
[21:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> Which may break stuff.
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> Guest49388  why are you asking for advice with Arch in the Ubuntu channel?
[21:09] <Tirael> hi all
[21:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> Tirael: hi
[21:10] <Guest49388> I'm not, I'm asking if I can resize a live system fairly risk free, I wish to switch to Ubuntu
[21:10] <bekks> Guest49388: The answer is "no, not without risk".
[21:10] <Guest49388> Hence "fairly"
[21:11] <Tirael> i new here , anyone have a netbook itum7 n450?
[21:11] <iptablesHelp01> Eduard_Munteanu: well, both if them are not working. I just want to have the packets with Answers to the DNS queries made from my system, tcpdump -i eth0 -v doesn't display anything
[21:11] <bekks> Tirael: Why? :)
[21:11] <Tirael> my grafics drivers not working
[21:12] <Tirael> apears unknow in description panel
[21:12] <Eduard_Munteanu> iptablesHelp01: try adding -n, perhaps it's not resolving certain addresses
[21:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> Are you sure you don't need to clone that packet instead of redirecting it?
[21:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> (if you need the former, TEE might be an option)
[21:14] <iptablesHelp01> Eduard_Munteanu: well, that worked, but I cant decipher the output
[21:14] <Tirael> bekks: u know why?
[21:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> iptablesHelp01: did you see any of those UDP packets you were expecting?
[21:15] <Eduard_Munteanu> You can add filters to tcpdump too.
[21:15] <iptablesHelp01> Eduard_Munteanu: I saw the word UDP, lots  of it
[21:15] <bekks> Tirael: Which driver is not working? Which ubuntu do you have? Whats this "description panel"?
[21:16] <iptablesHelp01> Eduard_Munteanu: But my aapplication is not receiving any packets, BTW , thanks thus far, so could you be knowing why my application does not receive any packets? coz its listening on port 9876
[21:16] <Eduard_Munteanu> iptablesHelp01: paste one of those lines
[21:17] <Eduard_Munteanu> iptablesHelp01: dunno what your app does... are you listening for UDP packets?
[21:17] <iptablesHelp01> Eduard_Munteanu: yea, Its all I care for
[21:17] <Eduard_Munteanu> Because e.g. it might be listening for TCP connections.
[21:18] <Eduard_Munteanu> iptablesHelp01: did you try the REDIRECT line above?
[21:18] <iptablesHelp01> Eduard_Munteanu: It was working with the command I gave you, except that was capturing the outbound packets
[21:18] <Tirael> bekks: details, sry, in all configurations i see processor: Intel® Atom™ CPU N450 @ 1.66GHz × 2
[21:18] <Tirael> graffics: Unknow
[21:19] <bekks> Tirael: And which Ubuntu do you have?
[21:19] <Tirael> 12.04
[21:20] <Tirael> 12.04 LTS
[21:20] <iptablesHelp01> Yea, I tried but the output here [http://pastebin.com/eYzLYLeG] is for the most recent command you gave
[21:22] <Eduard_Munteanu> iptablesHelp01: try looking for those packets specifically e.g. tcpdump -i eth0 -nv "src port 53"
[21:22] <danielboston26> how do i add patch code to my version of ubuntu?
[21:22] <Icehawk78> Does anyone know who I should look for/talk to to help expand the Logitech mouse driver support?
[21:23] <danielboston26> icehawk28 check for that speficic driver on launchpad
[21:23] <Tirael> bekks: its ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[21:24] <arrrghhh> hey guys.  i had a 11.10 install that was upgraded to 12.04, and gnome-panel or fallback was installed.  after 12.04, i don't have any borders on my windows
[21:24] <bekks> Tirael: Then please pastebin the output of "sudo lspci -k".
[21:24] <bekks> !paste | Tirael
[21:24] <arrrghhh> so i can't close, minimize, etc.  i removed and reinstalled gnome-panel, to no avail.  any ideas?
[21:25] <danielboston26> arrrghhh: something might have got screwed up in the upgrade
[21:25] <akio> FWIW everyone, don't use the gnome ppa for gnome shell. Repo packages work just fine.
[21:25] <danielboston26> upgrading in place is always tricky in any os
[21:25] <danielboston26> can anyone help with my issue?
[21:25] <iptablesHelp01> Eduard_Munteanu: http://pastebin.com/YZB9vS8e have a look at that,
[21:26] <danielboston26> arrrghhh: the best and easiest way is to backup your data and just format and reinstall
[21:27] <W4sp> arrrghhh: This sounds as if yu do not have a desktop environment but your WM is up. Try to log in and select a different DE.
[21:27] <danielboston26> a pain but that way you will have no strange issues
[21:27] <arrrghhh> W4sp, that will probably work... but how can i fix gnome-panel?
[21:27] <arrrghhh> danielboston26, sorry a format/reinstall is not an option right now.
[21:27] <Bubbelgum> Hello ! =)
[21:27] <Tirael> bekks: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation N10 Family DMI Bridge
[21:27] <Tirael> 	Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel
[21:27] <Tirael> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller
[21:27] <Tirael> 	Subsystem: Device 1b7d:0002
[21:27] <Tirael> 	Kernel driver in use: i915
[21:28] <bekks> !paste | Tirael
[21:28] <FloodBot1> Tirael: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:28] <Tirael> 	Kernel modules: i915
[21:28] <Tirael> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller
[21:28] <danielboston26> arrrghhh: i always try to avoid upgrading in place you can always get weird little issues like this
[21:28] <danielboston26> tirael please use pastbin
[21:28] <arrrghhh> danielboston26, i know.  i wish upgrades went smooth, but they never seem to...
[21:29] <W4sp> arrrghhh: Re-install the the related packages. There are meta packages that will give you everything. Requires some patience during download and installation but it usually fixes it.
[21:29] <iptablesHelp01> Eduard_Munteanu: I am not sure whats missing, could it be the IP soecific redirection you were proposing?
[21:29] <danielboston26> well think about it arrrghhh its like taking a table full of stuff and replacing everything without touching the old stuff
[21:30] <Tirael> sry, paste bin whit launchpad? (noob dude sry)
[21:30] <danielboston26> tirael
[21:30] <danielboston26> copy and paste your info then paste that into pastebin
[21:30] <deadmund>  arrrghhh Use a distro that doesn't have 1/2yearly updates
[21:30] <danielboston26> then post link here
[21:31] <danielboston26> deadmund: i think hes using 12.04
[21:31] <bekks> !paste | Tirael
[21:31] <danielboston26> deadmund:  your saying don't use ubuntu?
[21:31] <deadmund> danielboston26: I was suggesting that blasphemy yes :)
[21:31] <bekks> Tirael: Tirael: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use  http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add |  !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for  your paste - see also the channel topic.
[21:31] <danielboston26> deadmund: *shocked*
[21:31] <deadmund> haha
[21:32] <itatitat> guys, I know this is not the channel, but in kbuntu they are very quite. I added a second panel (i have it on the top), but is possible to minimize applications in that second panel?
[21:32] <Tirael> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1140052/ is this??
[21:32] <bekks> Tirael: Yes.
[21:32] <W4sp> I don't think that the Ubuntu update process is deeply flawed. It should be fine for updates and upgrades. The fact that the WM is gone may even be just down to .dmrc, that cannot fine a valid DE anymore.
[21:32] <Tirael> :)
[21:32] <hollenjf> I just installed the latest version of Ubuntu, it wont auto mount my sdcard, its not in dmesg and fdisk -l isnt listing it. is there a change I should know about?
[21:32] <bekks> Tirael: Line 3 to 6 indicate, that you are using the i915 driver for your graphics cards. Everything is fine.
[21:33] <arrrghhh> W4sp, can you tell me which ones?  i did a purge on gnome-panel and then installed it again.  no dice.
[21:33] <danielboston26> hollenjf: when you say "latest" do you mean 12.04 or 12.10?
[21:34] <hollenjf> danielboston26: 12.04 that latest stable release
[21:34] <danielboston26> has ubuntu ever auto mounted sd's?
[21:34] <danielboston26> never tried it
[21:34] <deadmund> danielboston26: it does for me
[21:34] <W4sp> arrrghhh: I can't guide you through everything but if your lightdm comes up your previous session (before update) may be flawed. 1. Create a new user and see if that one has the same problems.
[21:35] <arrrghhh> hrm
[21:35] <arrrghhh> ok
[21:35] <danielboston26> well that would be a issue then
[21:35] <deadmund> danielboston26: but I might have installed something long ago
[21:35] <Tirael> bekks: yes?, how i can make a test
[21:35] <danielboston26> hollenjf: have you upgraded from a older version of ubuntu?
[21:35] <hollenjf> danielboston26: yes, 11 and the earlty 12 release used to auto mount the sd card devices
[21:35] <bekks> Tirael: You can see something on your display. Successfully tested :P
[21:35] <Tirael> XD
[21:35] <hollenjf> danielboston26: No, I have done a clean install from an ISO
[21:36] <danielboston26> hollenjf: hmmm no idea you might try googling
[21:36] <W4sp> arrrghhh: 2. Check if your ~/.dmrc has a session entry that is valid.
[21:36] <hollenjf> danielboston26: Yes, I googled this first.
[21:36] <danielboston26> hollenjf: hmmmm
[21:36] <hollenjf> danielboston26: I have also checked lsusb, dmesg, fdisk -l. None of those programs are detecting the storage device.
[21:37] <danielboston26> hollenjf: have you tried putting the card in another computer?
[21:37] <Tirael> bekks: new in ubuntu and dont see the name of GMA or acceleration rate is strange XD
[21:37] <Tirael> bekks: thx for helping me
[21:37] <hollenjf> danielboston26: Yes, I just tried the card in my dell, which is running ubuntu 11. Works fine
[21:37] <danielboston26> tirael buying any computer with gma graphics is silly
[21:38] <danielboston26> hollenjf: can you auto mount another card?
[21:38] <danielboston26> hollenjf: or have you tried manually mounting?
[21:39] <Tirael> is a netbook graffic card, impossible i thing
[21:39] <arrrghhh> W4sp, so 'Unity' works.  but is it possible to fix gnome-fallback?
[21:39] <hollenjf> danielboston26: I cant manually mount because it isnt giving it a device name to mount it from
[21:39] <danielboston26> tireal netbooks are cheap pos :-P
[21:39] <Tirael> XD
[21:39] <mwmnj> Any vim experts around?
[21:39] <qwd> Ubuntu 12.04 AMD64. I did the software update thing yesterday and turned the pc off because they were planning on cutting power this morning. Then when I started it again I got sent to busybox, and I don't know what to do.
[21:39] <danielboston26> hollenjf: try another card in same computer
[21:40] <danielboston26> mwmnj: you may want a vim chatroom
[21:40] <W4sp> arrrghhh: Would it be fair to ask what you have done, I gave you some advice and don't know what you've tried.
[21:40] <danielboston26> qwd: you shut it off in the middle of updating
[21:40] <danielboston26> not a good thing to do
[21:40] <arrrghhh> W4sp, apologies.  i'm not sure what you mean by a 'valid session entry'
[21:40] <mwmnj> danielboston26: yes, trying my luck in #vim as well
[21:40] <arrrghhh> W4sp, i haven't tried much.  Unity works.  It sounds like Gnome Classic (No Effects) works
[21:41] <qwd> danielboston26: pretty sure I didn't, but I guess it's possible
[21:41] <danielboston26> mwmnj: also google is your friend :-P
[21:41] <Tirael> icu guys, thx for the help n.n
[21:41] <danielboston26> qwd your basically sol
[21:41] <hollenjf> danielboston26: I just tried another sd card in this computer, I checked fdisk, lsusb and dmesg. Its still not providing  a device name for this device.
[21:41] <W4sp> arrrghhh: I'm lost, you said it works for Unity. Did you install a new user?
[21:41] <hollenjf> danielboston26: I think this may be a potential issue with this release
[21:41] <danielboston26> hollenjf: then i would say one of two things
[21:41] <danielboston26> hollenjf: ubuntu is messed up or something happened to the reader
[21:42] <danielboston26> hollenjf: since im a hardware person im blaming software :-P
[21:42] <W4sp> arrrghhh: Did you use a different profile in a new session.
[21:42] <qwd> can i get a second opinion onn this? possibly turned pc off during update, now sent to busybox. sol or fixable?
[21:43] <danielboston26> qwd try running fsck
[21:43] <arrrghhh> W4sp, no new user.  just works logging into Unity or Gnome Classic (no effects)
[21:43] <playman> hello, could some one assist me with the "waiting for network configuration" error?
[21:43] <danielboston26> qwd unless your expecting to get a cl?
[21:43] <hollenjf> danielboston26: hahah.. I agree. I'm leaning to the fact that its a software issue..
[21:43] <danielboston26> hollenjf: i don't have a install of 12.04 to test
[21:43] <qwd> danielboston26: i'm expecting to start gnome :)
[21:44] <qwd> danielboston26: but now that you mention it i think this happened once before and i solved it with fsck, almost messed it up in the process too so i think i'll check the logs and see if i find anything useful there :)
[21:45] <W4sp> arrrghhh: Teh odd thing is that .dmrc is (or has been) ignored by GNOME.
[21:45] <danielboston26> qwd you may have a wonky hard drive
[21:45] <danielboston26> qwd im assuming your using ext file system?
[21:47] <qwd> danielboston26: i'm using ext4 and for some reason it started just fine now! this morning i got busybox twice, even in recovery mode, now I went straight into Gnome. Odd! Thanks for the help though
[21:47] <danielboston26> qwd im leaning towards hard drive issue
[21:47] <danielboston26> qwd backup your data
[21:47] <danielboston26> qwd im checking to see if spinrite will see ext but im not sure
[21:48] <danielboston26> qwd my guess would be no
[21:48] <danielboston26> qwd how old is the computer?
[21:48] <arrrghhh> W4sp, no worries i think he'll just use gnome classic (no effects)
[21:49] <W4sp> arrrghhh: np.
[21:49] <arrrghhh> does anyone know why i can't create icons on the desktop from the applications menu?
[21:49] <pseudonymous> I have no ibus(mocz) support in my legacy QT3 application on my desktop. Any ideas as to how I get this re-enabled ? First time I installed ibus (via gui) it all worked. Unfortunately that broke by itself and I redid the install by hand using a different back-end(anthy=>mocz).. No more QT3 support it seems :(
[21:50] <arrrghhh> i had to actually cp from /usr/lib.../calc.desktop file
[21:50] <luyang> Ubuntu is so beautiful
[21:50] <luyang> I'd say that Ubuntu is the first extremely usable Linux distro
[21:50] <pseudonymous> luyang: sure is :) By far the best looking OS, no comparisons
[21:50] <danielboston26> pseudonymous: for old hardware/software best to use a old os
[21:50] <qwd> danielboston26: I got everything important backed up but I'll double check. The oldest hard drive has been powered on almost 5 years
[21:50] <luyang> pseudonymous:  =)
[21:50] <qwd> 4 bad sectors
[21:51] <deadmund> pseudonymous: luyang ummmmmmm.... MINT?!
[21:51] <danielboston26> qwd my advice would be replace the drive
[21:51] <luyang> deadmund: what?
[21:51] <deadmund> luyang: linux mint is even more usable and I dare say.... prettier!
[21:52] <luyang> deadmund: I see
[21:52] <deadmund> ;)
[21:52] <Guest91246> nick
[21:52] <luyang> deadmund: but didn't it come out after ubuntu?
[21:52] <deadmund> luyang: oh, yes.  Quite a bit after.  It's an ubuntu derivative
[21:52] <qwd> danielboston26: based on 4 bad sectors? everything looks good apart from that. 675 power cycles, 4,9 years powered on but everything has a green little dot  except for those 4 sectors.
[21:52] <arre> can i ask an 12.04 LTS question here related to wireless nics?
[21:53] <arrrghhh> shouldn't i be able to drag and drop from the applications menu to the desktop?
[21:53] <deadmund> arre: That is the purpose of this channel!
[21:53] <luyang> deadmund there you see... btw, I think ubuntu is good since it is so established with binaries etc
[21:53] <luyang> aps
[21:53] <danielboston26> qwd based on what? are you running some sort of hard drive program? like spinrite?
[21:53] <deadmund> luyang: mint enjoys the same!
[21:53] <luyang> where can I find awesome linux tools
[21:53] <danielboston26> arre yes
[21:54] <luyang> deadmund: that sounds great <3
[21:54] <deadmund> luyang: because it is an ubuntu derivative
[21:54] <deadmund> luyang: :)
[21:54] <luyang> yes
[21:54] <luyang> it's so cool
[21:54] <arre> thanks deadmund, i have a wierd problem, on start up my wireless nic doens't connect to my router, but it will when i execute two commands: sudo modprobe -r b43 ssb,  and sudo modprobe b43
[21:54] <qwd> danielboston26: based on the SMART data. I'm running the self-test in Ubuntus disk-utility now.
[21:54] <luyang> I am actulaly running Ubuntu in virtualbox in Windows
[21:54] <luyang> still awesome t hough
[21:54] <danielboston26> arre broadcom chipset?
[21:54] <arre> yea
[21:54] <danielboston26> awd smart is crap
[21:54] <danielboston26> qwd*
[21:54] <danielboston26> arre thats your problem
[21:55] <danielboston26> arre broadcom and linux don't mix
[21:55] <deadmund> arre: That is very strange indeed.  do you have b43 in your /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[21:55] <arre> right daniel, but it works, just not on startup, deadmund, let me check
[21:55] <arrrghhh> how do i drag icons from the applications menu to the desktop?  i'm using gnome classic
[21:55] <deadmund> danielboston26: what is qwd?
[21:55] <qwd> danielboston26: ah, well I'll make sure my backups are proper and when it dies I won't have anything to worry about :)
[21:55] <luyang> seamless in virtualbox mode is awesome
[21:55] <danielboston26> qwd is a user deadmund
[21:55] <deadmund> arre: I have much experience with broadcomm and b43
[21:55] <luyang> Btw, guys, where can I find ubuntu app source codes?
[21:56] <deadmund> danielboston26: oh :P
[21:56] <danielboston26> qwd i would trust something like spinrite
[21:56] <Dr_Willis> luyang:  the various dev packages and src debs
[21:56] <danielboston26> qwd actually i would only trust spinrite
[21:56] <arre> deadmund, sorry linux rookie here, how to i navigate to that dir to check? from terminal?
[21:56] <KatsumeBlisk> luyang: I know I'm not helping much, but there's a command with apt to get the source.
[21:56] <luyang> KatsumeBlisk: that's actually very useful
[21:56] <deadmund> arre: Any directory can be navigated to using the terminal or the file explorer
[21:56] <luyang> apt-get source?
[21:56] <deadmund> arre: PM if you want.  It's noisy in here.
[21:56] <danielboston26> arre when you type someones nick please type full nick so it will highlight it so i can see your responce
[21:57] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28372/how-do-i-get-the-source-code-of-packages-installed-through-apt-get luyang
[21:57] <danielboston26> arre if you don't want to type my whole nick type first e letters then hit tab
[21:57] <arrrghhh> luyang, yes.  apt-get source <package name>
[21:57] <Dr_Willis> Use the command apt-get source <package> (don't use sudo with it) to download the source of a package
[21:57] <luyang> grrrrreat! (corn flakes)
[21:57] <danielboston26> dr_willis are you answering a question?
[21:57] <W4sp> arre: Use pwd to figure out where you are, use cd <directory> to navigate. Try pressing the tab after you typed in a few characters. Use ls to find what's in your directory.
[21:58] <luyang> Do y'all run Linux alone or dualboot or virtualbox/vmware?
[21:58] <arrrghhh> !ot | luyang
[21:58] <danielboston26> arre broadcom chipsets have all kinds of issues because broadcom does not open source there drivers so all their linux drivers are hacks made by users
[21:58] <W4sp> arre: Tip. Use man <command> to find more about the command line tool.
[21:58] <danielboston26> arre i would get a new nic if you can
[21:59] <luyang> arrrghhh: sorry
[21:59] <arrrghhh> np
[21:59] <arre> ok cool, one sec guys, checking.. (right i read that about broadcom,.. (w4SP, i am there now checking per deadmund's instructions.
[21:59] <deadmund> danielboston26: arre whoa whoa.  I have several broadcom cards and I have them all working fine.
[21:59] <danielboston26> luyang: support chat not geneal discussion
[21:59] <luyang> I know
[21:59] <deadmund> no need to buy a new card danielboston26
[21:59] <luyang> just so excited
[21:59] <hollenjf> danielboston26: I've solved my problem.. It was a hardware failure.. the UBS port that the sd card reader was plugged into went dead.. I moved it to a new usb port and Wala!
[21:59] <playman> why cant i make my ubuntu start at IP <IP_ADDRESS> it always starts at <IP_ADDRESS>?
[21:59] <arrrghhh> danielboston26, i already scolded him :P
[21:59] <pseudonymous> luyang: I dualboot for the occasional Starcraft 2 game, but otherwise I run it exclusively. VM's are a bit buggy at times and I can't justify using windows for anything else. All the best applications(my opinion) from programming to learning Japanese are running in Linux.. :)
[22:00] <deadmund> playman: edit /etc/network/interfaces or use the gui networkmanager
[22:00] <arrrghhh> playman, if it's DHCP then your DHCP server determines your IP
[22:00] <deadmund> playman: perhaps that IP is taken by some other machine
[22:00] <arre> deadmund, where did you want me to go check again? /etc/ where?
[22:00] <danielboston26> deadmund: well the fact that they don't open source their drivers because they want to charge linux users extortion to get support has soured me on them
[22:00] <arrrghhh> playman, if you want a static IP, configure it manually.
[22:00] <W4sp> deadmund: Apologies, I didn't see you have been asked directly.
[22:00] <Dr_Willis> playman:  my router can assign ip based on MAC. so my whole home lan has the same ips
[22:00] <danielboston26> playman turn off dhcp
[22:00] <pseudonymous> deadmund: don't agree on Mint being prettier though.   They wrote cinnamon and mate.  More than just themeing gnome 3
[22:01] <playman> deadmund: i've configured the interfaces file to use <IP_ADDRESS> but still it wants <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:01] <danielboston26> aree /whisper whatever name
[22:01] <arre> ok
[22:01] <arre> thanks daniel
[22:01] <deadmund> oops
[22:02] <deadmund>  /whipser works too
[22:02] <usr13> playman: is the address <IP_ADDRESS> within the dhcp pool that your router uses?
[22:02] <danielboston26> arre or depending on your irc client you can right click on his username and click private or whisper or whatever the name of the command is on your client
[22:03] <playman> usr13: yes, my router is <IP_ADDRESS> on the 192.168.1.* range
[22:03] <arre> test
[22:03] <deadmund> haha
[22:03] <deadmund> arre: hi
[22:03] <MonkeyDust> playman  no, 255... is the subnet
[22:03] <arre> lol
[22:03] <arre> <--- moron did i mention that already? :)
[22:04] <usr13> playman:  you should choose one that is outside the DHCP pool
[22:04] <deadmund> arre: like this ->   /whipser deadmund Hello there!
[22:04] <usr13> playman: Do you know where the pool is?
[22:04] <Dr_Willis> I think they need to make the Guest user wallpaper have big bold letters.. 'Things wont get saved here once you logout' Silly Step daughter has done this twice now and mad at me that she lost her downloads.. ;P
[22:04] <MonkeyDust> playman  your router is <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:04] <usr13> playman: If not, log into your router's config and see
[22:04] <playman> MonkeyDust: yes and <IP_ADDRESS> on 192.168.1.* tells me that i'm using ip's from 1 to 255 right?
[22:05] <bekks> playman: 1...254
[22:05] <usr13> playman: Many routers allow you to assign static IPs for your PCs.
[22:05] <MonkeyDust> playman  no, <IP_ADDRESS> means you can use 254 addresses in 192.... range
[22:05] <bekks> 255 is the broadcast IP
[22:05] <playman> MonkeyDust: nope my router is 254 not 1
[22:05] <Dr_Willis> Thats.. weird..
[22:06] <W4sp> 255 is broadcast, 0 is used to specify a subnet.
[22:06] <MonkeyDust> idd
[22:06] <bekks> iddqd ;)
[22:06] <MonkeyDust> <IP_ADDRESS> is the broadcast address
[22:06] <bekks> Nope.
[22:06] <danielboston26> usr13 all he needs to do is turn off dhcp
[22:06] <usr13> playman: the netmask <IP_ADDRESS>  tells you that your subnet is from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:06] <danielboston26> monkeydust <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:07] <bekks> Having a common class C network, the last IP ( .255) is the broadcast IP.
[22:07] <bekks> danielboston26: No.
[22:07] <MonkeyDust> danielboston26  idd, i was confused myself
[22:07] <MonkeyDust> still am :)
[22:07] <bekks> <IP_ADDRESS> is the subnet mask.
[22:07] <usr13> danielboston26: Yea, but what about the other PCs that connect to that router?
[22:07] <playman> lol man so many talking and saying different things. any way i've used to have <IP_ADDRESS> on that machine until I changed the hardware, and wanted to keep using 3 on that machine. but some how it wont let me
[22:07] <danielboston26> usr13 i mean on that computer
[22:07] <arrrghhh> playman, ohhhh you probably had your MAC address change
[22:07] <bzzzz> static eye pees
[22:07] <usr13> danielboston26: Ok, yea
[22:08] <danielboston26> playman if you just turn off dhcp on your computer you can do it
[22:08] <danielboston26> unless  as others have said its not in your pool
[22:08] <W4sp> playman: :-) If your hardware has changed so has the NIC and MAC. You would need to tell the dhcp server to propagate the .3 to your new hardware.
[22:08] <bekks> usr13: The subnet mask /24 or <IP_ADDRESS> tells you that your network range is from <IP_ADDRESS> to .255 whereas .0 is the network address and .255 is the broadcast address.
[22:09] <danielboston26> bekks your making my head hurt lol
[22:09] <bzzzz> sadly, .0 isn't a valid network addr
[22:09] <MonkeyDust> danielboston26  you haven't calculated it binary, yet :)
[22:09] <bekks> bzzzz: It IS a very valid NETWORK address, but NOT a valid HOST address.
[22:09] <W4sp> Use ifconfig to identify your MAC address and tell the dhcp daemon to provide .3 to the h/w with that specific MAC address. That's all.
[22:10] <bekks> bzzzz: danielboston26: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subnetting explains all that.
[22:10] <danielboston26> just like aholes everyone has them
[22:10] <danielboston26> lol
[22:10] <playman> allright i'm gona see if I can tell my router to forget the old MAC for the .3 and set in a new one
[22:10] <danielboston26> bekks i was teaseing you
[22:11] <W4sp> playman: If you to check for things like release or release time. But if you do as I said you don't need to.
[22:11] <usr13> W4sp: I think he has his router issuing a static IP, and that is what he is wanting.
[22:12] <danielboston26> yes playman wants a static iip
[22:12] <W4sp> usr13: Static IPADDR are not being served by dhcp server. that is a contradiction in itself.
[22:12] <danielboston26> he wants a .3 for some reason
[22:13] <usr13> W4sp: Actually, it's usually called a "Static Lease"
[22:13] <bekks> usr13: Thats a static lease, but not a static IP.
[22:13] <usr13> W4sp: I beg to differ.
[22:13] <arrrghhh> infinite lease?  :P
[22:13] <usr13> bekks: Yea, well, same difference.
[22:14] <bzzzz> bekks: 'network address' can be used to denote mean 'host address.' but if you want to play semantics, then both .0 and .255 are network addresses, which makes your originl statement useless
[22:14] <bekks> The difference is, that using a static lease, the DHCP server determines the IP, wil using a static IP, the DHCP server doesnt matter at all.
[22:14] <arrrghhh> we setup our machines to grab IP based on MAC.  the clients still use DHCP, but the server always hands out the same address.
[22:14] <arrrghhh> it's a little more complex to setup, and i'm betting playman just wants a static IP
[22:14] <W4sp> :-) Well I will not expand further on my comments. As long as you both use the same terms and understand each other.
[22:15] <arrrghhh> lol
[22:15] <usr13> bekks: Ok, yes you are correct.  But, essentially the PC gets a static IP (either way).
[22:15] <arrrghhh> soooo how do i drag icons from the applications menu to the desktop?  i'm using gnome classic
[22:15] <usr13> bekks: It's just a matter of terms.
[22:15] <bekks> usr13: No. Using a static lease, the PC gets a DHCP IP which is always the same ;)
[22:15] <bekks> However, just configuring a static IP on the client is the most easy way to solve that problem.
[22:15] <W4sp> Well, static IP is in no way propagated by DHCP. YOu can exclude IPADDR range on dhcp for those hosts that use a static IP though
[22:16] <usr13> bekks: If it is always the same it is "static" (as opposed to "dynamic").
[22:16]  * W4sp .oO forces herself to think about something else.
[22:16] <arrrghhh> herself?  blasphemy
[22:16] <bekks> usr13: As long as it is served by the _D_HCP server, it isnt a static IP.
[22:16] <usr13> bekks: Anyway, it doesnt matter, but you are correct, it is refered to (in router configs) as "static lease".
[22:17] <Tito__> How to remove launcher from taskbar in Ubuntu 12.04 (in Ubuntu 11.10, alt right click used to help)
[22:18] <MonkeyDust> D in DHCP means Dynamic, as opposed to Static
[22:18] <usr13> MonkeyDust: So...?
[22:18] <MonkeyDust> usr13  to whom it may concern :)
[22:18] <arrrghhh> c'mon guys, enough semantics.
[22:18] <usr13> MonkeyDust: That doesn't mean that a DHCP server can not assign a static IP addreess. :)
[22:19] <bekks> usr13: A DHCP cant assign static IPs, but only static leases.
[22:19] <arrrghhh> ...
[22:19] <bekks> A static IP isnt assigned by anything else but the client using that IP.
[22:19] <W4sp> usr13: No, it actually does mean that.
[22:20] <usr13> bekks: Ok, I get your point, (but the fact remains that if the IP address does not change, it is "static", (by definition of the word "static").
[22:20] <W4sp> bekks: bekks is right.
[22:20] <arrrghhh> FFS semantics!!
[22:20] <playman> gah stupid router, now I just get "waiting for network configuration" :/
[22:20] <bekks> usr13: static refers to the lease, not to the IP.
[22:21] <bzzzz> tell bekks that bekks is right, classic
[22:21] <W4sp> usr13: If you continue to mix up terms we will end up like birds singing in the air.
[22:21] <usr13> playman: Are you sure you got the MAC address correct?
[22:21] <arevee_> test
[22:21] <MonkeyDust> playman  the router is still mentally preoccupied by the difference between dynamic and static
[22:21] <arevee_> durn, deadmund is gone?
[22:22] <playman> usr13: I cant find the place to change the MAC i'm using some stupid router from speedtouch
[22:22] <W4sp> no wonder, I should have done the same.
[22:22] <deadmund> I'm here
[22:22] <deadmund> what?
[22:22] <usr13> bekks: I told you once already, "You are correct, it is refered to as a "static lease".
[22:23] <deadmund> arevee_: I'm here
[22:23] <deadmund> You changed nick!
[22:23] <arevee_> sorry bro
[22:23] <arrrghhh> playman, why not just make a static IP on the client instead of worrying about the router?
[22:24] <kriskropd> why does ejabberd in aptitude come broken in non developmental 12.04? erlang modules are broken, something about mismatched versions from what i can tell so far
[22:24] <W4sp> arrrghhh: Yeah, but exclude .3 on your router.
[22:24] <arrrghhh> W4sp, or just make a dhcp range above .100.  that's what *most* do from the factory it seems.
[22:24] <tPl0ch> Hi, how can I revert error reporting for a package once I ignored them?
[22:25] <playman> arrrghhh: doesent that mean I edit the interfaces file telling it to use .3 instead of .4?
[22:25] <W4sp> arrrghhh: Exactly, now we're talking.
[22:25] <usr13> playman: Some routers do not have the option to set "Static Lease".  It may be that the lease just never runs out.  In that case, you could move the dhcp pool up a little, (if the dhcp pool is from <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>, you could move it to <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>), and then just set your PC to static IP of <IP_ADDRESS>.'
[22:25] <adaminsull> I'm trying to install ZNC
[22:25] <adaminsull> when I do ./ZNC I get
[22:25] <adaminsull> [ !! ] Binding to port [1337] on host [<IP_ADDRESS>]... [ Unable to bind ]
[22:25] <adaminsull> [ ** ] Unrecoverable config error.
[22:25] <arrrghhh> adaminsull, is 1337 in use?
[22:26] <bzzzz> adaminsull: netstat -n
[22:26] <usr13> playman: That was just an example, (I do not know where the pool really is), so...
[22:26] <arrrghhh> ^^
[22:26] <playman> usr13: I belive that the router uses from 1 to 254 by default
[22:26] <adaminsull> Yes 1337
[22:26] <arrrghhh> adaminsull, please use that netstat command to make sure it's not in use.  netstat -alp |grep 1337
[22:26] <usr13> playman: so just move it from 4 to 254
[22:26] <adaminsull> bzzzz to check?
[22:26] <bzzzz> adaminsull: netstat -n?
[22:26] <arrrghhh> playman, i would move it .100+ for DHCP.
[22:26] <adaminsull> k
[22:26] <W4sp> adaminsull: do you have 1337 in /etc/services?
[22:26] <bzzzz> adaminsull: maybe some pastebin
[22:27] <adaminsull> i'll pastebin what I get from netstat -n
[22:27] <W4sp> Well, he wants .3 That needs to be accepted.
[22:27] <usr13> playman: But routers do not usually use the entire subnet for the DHCP pool.  (You may be confusing "subnet" with "DHCP pool".
[22:27] <adaminsull> wait
[22:27] <jnhghy> adaminsull the port is already in use
[22:27] <adaminsull> Ok
[22:27] <adaminsull> What port is free?
[22:27] <bzzzz> adaminsull: pick anything above 1024
[22:28] <adaminsull> ok
[22:28] <adaminsull> 1097?
[22:28] <bzzzz> and for the record, a used port isn't the only possible problem
[22:28] <W4sp> adaminsull: check your /etc/services
[22:28] <arrrghhh> bzzzz, true, but i wanted to rule it out :P
[22:28] <bzzzz> adaminsull: well first make sure that the problem is an occupied port
[22:28] <bzzzz> adaminsull: hence netstat and pbin
[22:28] <adaminsull> Is port 1097 free
[22:29] <arrrghhh> adaminsull, please pastebin the netstat output
[22:29] <bekks> adaminsull: Check it, using the command you've beben given.
[22:29] <bzzzz> adaminsull: i'm not sure, i'd have to get my psychic headgear
[22:29] <bekks> *been
[22:29] <arrrghhh> lol
[22:29] <playman> usr13: the networking isint my strong side i'll admit to that, but i'm pretty sure I can make my PC use what ever number from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS> (254 is the router)
[22:29] <usr13> playman: And it may not even use the term "DHCP pool", it may only have entries for "Start IP Address"  and "End IP Address"  (or Maximum DHCP users), or something to that effect.
[22:30] <arrrghhh> playman, do you have the exact router make & model?  i might be able to find a walkthru
[22:30] <adaminsull> http://pastebin.com/kheVXjnS
[22:30] <bzzzz> holy cow that's a lot of ports
[22:31] <playman> arrrghhh: THOMSON ST585v6
[22:31] <adaminsull> W4sp in SSH like now?
[22:31] <usr13> playman: You can set your PC to a static IP of <IP_ADDRESS> but if it is inside the DHCP pool, be aware that someday you may have an IP conflict if your router assigns that IP to another NIC. (That is why I keep telling you to pick an IP address that is outside the DHCP pool).
[22:32] <arrrghhh> playman, got it.  give me a minute.
[22:32] <yakster> Just add a reservation to the dhcp pool…. then the router wont ever assign it to anythign but that PC
[22:32] <bekks> yakster: The router doesnt support that :P
[22:33] <yakster> WHAAAA!!!! whats the model?
[22:33] <arrrghhh> yakster, damnit jim
[22:33] <arrrghhh> yakster, http://screenshots.portforward.com/routers/Thomson/ST585v6/default.htm
[22:33] <playman> usr13: yeah sorry for that :/ but somehow I cant see anywhere information about DHCP pool or anything of that sort.
[22:34] <usr13> bekks: You are more than likely correct.  But it is also quite possbile that this router also starts at the bottom of the list when assigning IPs i.e. <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS> etc. etc.
[22:34] <playman> arrrghhh: ok thanks man
[22:34] <usr13> playman: That's ok.    There is probably a way you can clear it, but.... Probably not necessary.
[22:36] <tech1> is there a better program for detecting and setting up multiple displays? both xrandr and nvidia xserver are not working properly....
[22:37] <usr13> playman: Just set your PC to static IP and hope for the best.
[22:37] <arevee__> deadmund!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:37] <deadmund> arevee__: yeah?
[22:37] <arevee__> you are a genius kind sir!
[22:37] <deadmund> ha
[22:37] <deadmund> I have experience.
[22:37] <arevee__> how can i help you?
[22:37] <deadmund> I'm glad I could help you!
[22:37] <deadmund> arevee__: I don't need any help from you but I appreciate the offer :)
[22:37] <playman> there is probably one way to fix it, and that requires me to force reset it, but then I have to setup the net on all my laps and androids :/
[22:38] <arevee__> dude, please pm me, i suck at pmming..
[22:38] <usr13> playman: If you can find the configuration for "Start" and "End" IPs in the DHCP server config, change the start IP to <IP_ADDRESS>, (so that <IP_ADDRESS> is no longer in the DHCP pool).
[22:38] <arrrghhh> playman, can i PM you
[22:38] <playman> yeah sure arrrghhh
[22:38] <deadmund> arevee__: right click my name -> open dialog window
[22:39] <usr13> playman: Do like I did.  Find a router that will do DD-wrt and install your own OS on it and you will have lots of config options.  :)
[22:39] <donchisciotte> ciao a tutti
[22:39] <donchisciotte> xdcc/list
[22:40] <playman> usr13: hehe yeah maybe ;)
[22:40] <usr13> playman: DD-wrt or openwrt
[22:40] <usr13> playman: You can look in the database and see which routers are supported (there are LOTS), and buy one from ebay.
[22:41] <arrrghhh> dd-wrt is amazing
[22:41] <arrrghhh> some routers are difficult to setup tho... there's varying levels of support.
[22:41] <usr13> playman: In the  process, you'll learn more about netowrking.
[22:41] <usr13> arrrghhh: Yea, some are fairly easy though.
[22:41] <usr13> I've done a couple with no problems
[22:42] <arrrghhh> indeed.  my 600n was easy peasy.  this 54g is awful tho.  just depends on the version.  some have less memory, etc
[22:42] <playman> usr13: where is that database?
[22:43] <arrrghhh> playman, http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database/
[22:43] <usr13> arrrghhh: Yea, I would like to find one that has a pretty strong radio, (one if them I chose is a bit weak).
[22:43] <usr13> playman: just a sec.
[22:43] <arrrghhh> i already linked it ;)
[22:43] <arrrghhh> usr13, ^^
[22:43] <digitig> Newbie confused about networking. My Ubuntu computer has a wired network to my router which is working fine for internet. I also have NAS (iomega) with a wired connection to the router, and a couple of Windows PCs attached with wifi. a) do I need Samba to access the NAS, and b) how can I get it to connect to the Windows computers? I've tried the Samba documentation, but don't understand it.
[22:43] <playman> thanks arrrghhh
[22:43] <usr13> http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices
[22:43] <W4sp> usr13: Get some tin foil. It makes wonders.
[22:44] <Plumblum_> wich ftp server would you folks recommend ?
[22:44] <playman> usr13: thanks
[22:44] <Plumblum_> or is the default one good enough
[22:44] <usr13> W4sp: hummm.... ?
[22:44] <usr13> maybe...
[22:44] <arrrghhh> DigiDaz, so the NAS is a set-top box?
[22:44] <usr13> playman: proftpd
[22:44] <usr13> Plumblum_: proftpd
[22:45] <usr13> sorry, wrong nic
[22:45] <digitig> arrrghhh: NAS = Network Attached Storage -- network RAID1 hard drive.
[22:45] <arrrghhh> digitig, NAS is really vague.  it doesn't necessarily mean exactly that.
[22:46] <arrrghhh> digitig, if your files are on the NAS, I don't see why you need Samba on your Ubuntu box.  That would be if you want your Windows machines to 'see' and copy files from your Ubuntu machine.
[22:46] <bekks> Plumblum_: vsftpd
[22:46] <digitig> @arrrghhh: It means that in my case -- it's a 4TB iomega Storcenter ix2.
[22:46] <W4sp> usr13: OT: http://lifehacker.com/296367/boost-your-wireless-signal-with-a-homemade-wifi-extender
[22:47] <arrrghhh> digitig, ok.  and that's where you want the Windows boxes to connect, right?  not the Ubuntu box?
[22:47] <usr13> W4sp: tnx
[22:48] <digitig> @arrrghhh: Eventually I will want to share files and printers with the Windows machines, but for tonight I will be happy if I Ubuntu can see the network storage (Windows already can).
[22:48] <arrrghhh> digitig, oh you need Ubuntu to see the NAS... I see.  Does the NAS support NFS?
[22:49] <digitig> @arrrghhh: I don't know that, but "Linux" was listed on the box as a supported filesystem so my guess is that it does.
[22:50] <davv3> anyone else experiencing problems with ATI drivers now? my card now only supports opengl 1.4 i.e no compiz :(
[22:50] <imran> how can i install a4 tech camera drivers on UBUNTU?
[22:50] <davv3> radeon hd 6870
[22:50] <imran> Yeah i am
[22:51] <arrrghhh> digitig, i guess i shall google.  1 sec
[22:51] <davv3> imran: no unity 3d?
[22:51] <skutr34> Hi. I just ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade on my Lubuntu machine, and for some reason, I am having to select which disk on which to install the GRUB update. It is a graphical prompt within the terminal, and I need help selecting the disk. I press <Enter> on the disk and get a second prompt asking if I want to proceed without installing GRUB...
[22:52] <imran> davv3: after installing ati drivers? NO
[22:52] <deadmund> skutr34: which disc did you install to? Make sure you choose the disc and not a partition :)
[22:53] <davv3> imran: so are you still experiencing problems? i have tried using both from the software repository and building a .deb from amd site
[22:53] <skutr34> deadmund: I installed it to my only hard drive. /dev/sda...
[22:53] <deadmund> skutr34: then I'm not sure what it's saying...
[22:53] <digitig> @arrrghhh: I'll google for NFS myself and have a go. I wasn't sure whether NFS and Samba were an either/or thing or if I could have both running to access different things.
[22:53] <deadmund> skutr34: Who cares, if it breaks something you can fix it from a live CD
[22:54] <skutr34> deadmund: It's what I am trying to select in the prompt, but I don't know how to select it...
[22:54] <imran> davv3: I have tried everything but now i am better without my ati drivers
[22:54] <deadmund> skutr34: spacebar?
[22:54] <arrrghhh> digitig, looks like it does support NFS.  You can use Samba (smb sometimes), but NFS will be faster.
[22:54] <arrrghhh> and IMHO easier.
[22:54] <deadmund> skutr34: space bar selects stuff
[22:54] <davv3> imran: can you paste output from fglrxinfo ?
[22:54] <deadmund> skutr34: You're probably pressing enter (thereby moving to the next screen without selecting anything)
[22:54] <skutr34> deadmund: Thanks.   It's poorly designed :)
[22:55] <arrrghhh> zykotick9, we could go on and on... :P
[22:55] <skutr34> Thanks again.
[22:55] <skutr34> :)
[22:55] <mfaroukg1> why my wireless gets very slow when I disconnect the charger?
[22:55] <arrrghhh> digitig, so does this thing have a web interface to configure it, or how do you access it before it is setup?
[22:56] <davv3> imran: vendor and version string
[22:56] <deadmund> mfaroukg1: Probably the laptop is slowing the processor to save power
[22:57] <mfaroukg1> deadmund: right!! so how to stop the processor power management ?
[22:57] <imran> davv3: Sorry i don't know where is that info :(
[22:57] <arrrghhh> mfaroukg1, you OK with poor battery life?
[22:57] <deadmund> mfaroukg1: Look at the power management settings.  I don't know exactly where it is in the gui
[22:57] <mfaroukg1> deadmund, let me check
[22:57] <deadmund> mfaroukg1: I could be wrong.  Might be a hardware thing reducing the speed of the wifi module too (which you likely can't control)
[22:57] <imran> davv3: I haven't installed ati drivers yet
[22:57] <davv3> imran: ok..
[22:58] <digitig> @arrrghhh: And I fall at the first hurdle: I don't understand the SettingUpNFSHowTo because I don't know what "exports" are in this context. (BTW, yes, the NAS does have a web interface).
[22:58] <zykotick9> digitig: /etc/exports determines what is "shared"
[22:58] <W4sp> digitig: I suggest you check the manual pages for shares with Linux systems. They describe where to click. Unfortunately they miss out what protocol they use. It is hopefully NFS.
[22:58] <usr13> W4sp: Isnt' that Patric Madrid?  ... or something like that...?
[22:58] <bzzzz> holy cow that's a lot of ports
[22:58] <bzzzz> .quit
[22:58] <imran> davv3: Try compiz without installing drivers
[22:59] <W4sp> usr13: You lost me here.
[22:59] <arrrghhh> digitig, OK can you make sure NFS is enabled first?  then I can help ya get Ubuntu connected to it :)
[22:59] <usr13> W4sp: In that video....
[22:59] <usr13> W4sp: The guy on the right.
[23:00] <arrrghhh> digitig, unless you know it's already enabled.  we can jump straight to the config.  let me know.
[23:00] <mfaroukg1> deadmund: nothing mentioned on the power management , what else can I check to find out the wifi processor ?
[23:00] <W4sp> usr13: Oh, sorry. I don't know a person of that name and I did not watch the video. But the idea is good and it really helps to boost the signal.
[23:00] <DocPlatypus> has anyone actually gotten TranscriberAG to compile on 12.04 (precise)? since it appears the original Transcriber is now a dead project
[23:00] <deadmund> mfaroukg1: check this out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1678098
[23:00] <digitig> @arrrghhh: I've just done apt-get nfs-kernel-server, and it all seems to have gone ok. Is that what I need?
[23:01] <bikcmp> this is more of a general Linux question- for a machine with very little ram (but it supports 64 bit), should I choose a 32 bit OS or a 64 bit OS?
[23:01] <deadmund> mfaroukg1: I don't know anything else about this issue :(
[23:01] <arrrghhh> digitig, you need portmap as well IIRC
[23:01] <davv3> bikcmp: what is very little ram?
[23:01] <zykotick9> bikcmp: 32 probably...
[23:01] <arrrghhh> digitig, wait... sorry you need nfs-common.  nfs-kernel-server is for the server.
[23:01] <bikcmp> davv3: 256 mb, 512 mb
[23:01] <arrrghhh> digitig, in this case, your ubuntu box is the 'client'.  the NAS is the 'server'.
[23:01] <bikcmp> davv3: i heard that 64 bit takes away a bit of your ram
[23:01] <bikcmp> so
[23:02] <arrrghhh> bikcmp, wtf no.
[23:02] <bikcmp> no?
[23:02] <usr13> W4sp: Sorry, it's Patric Norton
[23:02] <bikcmp> arrrghhh: sorry, i hate low level stuff :-p
[23:02] <arrrghhh> bikcmp, no.  but you shouldn't 'need' 64-bit
[23:02] <bikcmp> arrrghhh: so why would I pick 32 bit over 64
[23:02] <usr13> W4sp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Norton
[23:02] <arrrghhh> even 32-bit with PAE supports up to.... 128gb of RAM?
[23:02] <digitig> @arrrghhh: Ok, I've installed portmap and nfs-common, and now know which is client and which is server.
[23:02] <arrrghhh> bikcmp, if you need 64-bit.  helps the proc run a bit better i would hope.
[23:03] <W4sp> usr13: Alrrrright.
[23:03] <arrrghhh> digitig, excellent.  can you run the mount command?  replace 'nfs-server' with the IP of your NAS
[23:03] <guest___> How can I setup an ubuntu system to be logged in from another computer over the web?
[23:03] <bikcmp> arrrghhh: but, if i was just given the choice for 32 bit or 64, choose 64?
[23:03] <usr13> W4sp: He used to be on  ZDTV (later TechTV)
[23:03] <blake_> What's a program like top and iotop, but for network send/recieve information?
[23:04] <W4sp> I don't live in the US, so I don't know him.
[23:04] <arrrghhh> bikcmp, unless you need 32-bit for something.  most things have been fixed by now.
[23:04] <zykotick9> bikcmp: if you have less then 4GB don't waste your time with 64bit.  plus, yes it will use more RAM then 32bit
[23:04] <blake_> Or another way to show what process/etc info for network packets?
[23:04] <arrrghhh> blake_, nettop?
[23:04] <usr13> W4sp: Ok, never mind.  But thanks for the link. I'll make the "Windsurfer" parabolic dish :)
[23:04] <arrrghhh> blake_, or netstat
[23:05] <blake_> arrrghhh thanks
[23:05] <digitig> arrrghhh: just looking up the ip address. Back soon!
[23:05] <arrrghhh> digitig, np
[23:05] <arrrghhh> blake_, np
[23:05] <arrrghhh> :)
[23:05] <arrrghhh> now will someone help me?  :P
[23:06] <W4sp> usr13: That's great, isn't it. It actually increases the speed, improves latency. I guess less packages are being dropped?
[23:06] <arrrghhh> soooo how do i drag icons from the applications menu to the desktop?  i'm using gnome classic
[23:07] <kfizz> I'm connecting to a wireless network different from the one I usually use. When I connected, I got a  notification that avahi was being disabled because the ISP did something with the .local domain. I can connect to my chat networks just fine, but browsing the web is awfully slow and I have to refresh a page multiple times before it loads.
[23:07] <blake_> How do I list my network adapter devices in CLI?
[23:07] <kfizz> I've tried changing the connection's DNS servers to Google's DNS, but I still don't have much luck. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[23:07] <arrrghhh> kfizz, how do you know it's not the network in general?
[23:07] <arrrghhh> blake_, ifconfig
[23:07] <zykotick9> blake_: "ifconfig" and/or "lspci | grep -i network" might work
[23:07] <blake_> thanks arrrghhh
[23:07] <kfizz> arrrghhh, I can connect from my Android tablet and browse just fine.
[23:08] <arrrghhh> kfizz, hrm.  i'm not sure then :/
[23:08] <kfizz> Also, Netflix via the blu-ray player works well, also.
[23:08] <kfizz> arrrghhh, me either. It's a doosey.
[23:08] <arrrghhh> kfizz, does ping drop packets?  ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:08] <blake_> zykotick9 is there a way to make it so -i is always assumed with the grep command for example?
[23:09] <kfizz> arrrghhh, 0% packet loss.
[23:09] <W4sp> kfizz: What's your hostname? Is it host or host.localdomain?
[23:09] <TheMadDrizzle> I'm trying to dualboot Ubuntu and Arch, and i'm really confused as to how to partition my HDD to do so - I've never had a dual boot before, any help?
[23:09] <kfizz> hostname is the name of my laptop
[23:10] <kfizz> W4sp, forgot to tag you in previous message.
[23:10] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: Can you ask a more specific question?
[23:10] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: I can help.
[23:10] <TheMadDrizzle> Sure
[23:10] <zykotick9> blake_: i doubt it...
[23:11] <TheMadDrizzle> deadmund: Sure
[23:11] <zykotick9> blake_: i guess you could alias "grep" to "grep -i" but i don't think that's a good idea
[23:11] <blake_> zykotick9 The answer I was looking for is "make a shell script that says "grep -i $1"
[23:11] <blake_> Yes thanks zykotick9
[23:11] <kfizz> arrrghh, as an aside, I pinged www.google.com and the time was considerably longer and had a 16% packet loss.
[23:12] <TheMadDrizzle> I'm confused as to where and why I need multiple mout points for the different partitions?  And how to effectivly partition to make both bootable once both distros are installed.
[23:12] <TheMadDrizzle> *mount
[23:12] <arrrghhh> kfizz, hrm.  i don't think that's DNS... because you've already resolved the name to an IP if you can ping
[23:13] <TheMadDrizzle> I have a two physical hdds.  I wanted to use my 120gb for Ubuntu, Arch, and swap, then use my 80gb as a backup / storage.
[23:13] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: Each distro will have a set of mount points.  These are pointers to partitions.  Each distro needs some mountpoints to boot (specifically / and swap).  Some partitions can be used by more than one distro (swap).  Some cannot.  The whole thing becomes more complicated if you have a separate /home).
[23:13] <kfizz> It's super strange. I almost wish the other devices were just as slow so that I'd know it was the network and not my laptop.
[23:14] <kfizz> And this is the first time I've used this new laptop and Ubuntu 12.04 on this network -- I'd never seen the avahi message before and it's the same network as before.
[23:14] <zykotick9> TheMadDrizzle: FYI sharing swap is a BAD idea, if you use hibernate
[23:14] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: So on the 120 Gb HDD.  You'll need two roots (one for ubuntu, one for arch), an optional /home, and a swap.  The other hdd you can just partition and make mountpoints in the OS's later after they're installed
[23:14] <deadmund> zykotick9: TheMadDrizzle he's right about swap and hibernate.  But all it means is hibernate will be weird
[23:15] <tao> anybody got Ralink Rt2790 wireless pci adapter working under 12.04? i tried linux-backport-modules as well as ndiswrapper, both not working
[23:15] <zykotick9> TheMadDrizzle: also, sharing a home might not work so great either... expect issues.
[23:15] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: for example, if you hibernate ubuntu but then boot arch it will probs not boot well or the hibernation will be lost as best
[23:15] <blake_> In Ubuntu 12.04, is there a interface to manage startup programs? I want to add Skype to it.
[23:15] <W4sp> kfizz: Tehre are a variety of options you have. You can switch on debugging or check the status. Also, If all fails restart the daemon.
[23:15] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: he's right about that too
[23:15] <kfizz> TheMadDrizzle, just my .02, but I tried sharing a home between Ubuntu and Mint one time and it didn't work very well.
[23:15] <TheMadDrizzle> deadmund: Okay, I generally powerdown my system when not in use, so that's okay.   So I need to create a root on my 80gb as well?  And Ubuntu wont let me partition with two root labled partitions
[23:16] <Delta|Mac> I have a Asus PCIe soundcard with the C-Media CMI8786 chipset. I know there is not much support in alsa.  Is there any known stable fix for playout? Ubuntu don't see the soundcards but lspci -nn does.
[23:16] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: 'root' is a mountpoint.  You should just create one big empty partition on the 80Gb.  It is not used as a root partition
[23:16] <jnhghy> blake_ try Aplications->system tools->preferences->startup programs
[23:16] <W4sp> kfizz: In a terminal window check man avahi or see http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man8/avahi-daemon.8.html
[23:17] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: Ubuntu won't let you modify partitions that are mounted and the root partition cannot be unmounted
[23:17] <kfizz> Thanks, w4sp, and arrrghhh. I'll try some other things and see if I can figure it out.
[23:17] <blake_> jnhghy there is no "Preferences" in Unity. I'm using 12.04 fresh install.
[23:18] <jnhghy> search for statup programs/ what do you want to run?what program?
[23:18] <TheMadDrizzle> deadmund: Currently I'm running on a live cd, so deleting partitions isn't much of a problem.  I'm still confused as to which file system type and mount point to use for the partitions.
[23:18] <blake_> jnhghy I want to add a couple programs to start up when I login. There is no "Startup Programs"
[23:18] <xangua> blake_: jnhghy powe icon in the top right - startup apps
[23:18] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: Use ext4 for everything.
[23:18] <TheMadDrizzle> deadmund:  Maybe arch isn't right for me at this time, which is shitty I was really hoping to figure it out.
[23:19] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: Arch is hard no doubt.
[23:19] <zykotick9> deadmund: s/hard/lame/ ;)
[23:19] <digitig> arrrghhh: How long should I have to wait for the mount command to come back? I've entered sudo mount -o soft,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 <IP_ADDRESS>:/tim /nfs and it's all gone quiet...
[23:19] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: But, if you install arch first, use the entire disc, then install Ubuntu.  Ubuntu will give you the option to install side-by-side with arch without messing it up
[23:19] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: What I would do is 2 of the same size ext4 partitions for root and then one large ext4 for a shared home partition. Swap at the end.
[23:20] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: The other order does not work because arch does not have such a feature built into their installer (although you can do it manually).
[23:20] <blake_> xangua Thanks!
[23:20] <playman> arrrghhh: you still there?
[23:20] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: My method would be more manual like deadmund said.
[23:20] <blake_> xangua funny it's not in "System Settings"
[23:20] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: Each distro installed needs a root and a swap.  So for each installer create an ext4 partition and mount it at root.  Then create a swap for each OS as well
[23:20] <arrrghhh> playman, yea what's up?  did i break everything?  :)
[23:21] <bekks> deadmund: You can share one swap among all distros.
[23:21] <playman> arrrghhh: man you screwed that router man
[23:21] <TheMadDrizzle> KatsumeBlisk:  Thats the way I've been trying to set it up, but with not to much luck.
[23:21] <playman> arrrghhh: nah just joking
[23:21] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: What are you using to partition?
[23:21] <deadmund> bekks: yes but it breaks hibernation
[23:21] <arrrghhh> digitig, i don't see a system type.  do those mountpoints exist as well?
[23:21] <arrrghhh> playman, lol don't mess with me like that!  :P
[23:21] <bekks> deadmund: ack. but no one forces you to use hibernation ;)
[23:22] <deadmund> bekks: indeed :)
[23:22] <ajax11124> In linux would installing a library to use with C++ be something thats IDE specific? Or do you install it on the system and it works with everything?
[23:22] <playman> arrrghhh: but that freaking router wont accept my new DHCP pool -.-
[23:22] <TheMadDrizzle> KatsumeBlisk:  I've got two physical drives.  120gb and a 80gb.  I wanted to dual boot ubuntu and arch on the 120 and use my 80gb as storage
[23:22] <W4sp> playman: You have a sense of humor.
[23:22] <playman> arrrghhh: lol sorry I wont :D
[23:22] <arrrghhh> playman, back to pm?
[23:22] <playman> arrrghhh: yeah sure
[23:22] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: Are you using GParted to partition? that's the easiest route.
[23:22] <TheMadDrizzle> KatsumeBlisk:  ubuntu default partitioner.  I"m running on a live cd of ubuntu.
[23:22] <playman> W4sp: thank you :)
[23:23] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: Run Gparted (outside of the installer) and create your partitions.
[23:23] <tao> is it possible to convert a partition from ext3 to ext4 and is there performance gain?
[23:23] <KatsumeBlisk> 2 root and swap on the 120 and a storage on the 80
[23:23] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: ^^
[23:24] <digitig> arrrghhh: I got that command from http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ubuntu-linux-nfs-client-configuration-to-mount-nfs-share.html -- yes, /nfs exists as a directory. The mount timed out, and showmount -e <IP_ADDRESS> returns "Connection refused". (I've no idea what showmount does, it's just an incantation I got from that website.)
[23:24] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: You need to be more specific about what you are confused about.  Or at least ask a question beside "I'm confused about how to do it"
[23:24] <arrrghhh> digitig, lol ok 1 sec
[23:25] <TheMadDrizzle> deadmund:  I'm trying to distill it myself down to one or two questions, sorry for being vague.
[23:25] <arrrghhh> digitig, like this command : sudo mount -t nfs4 -o proto=tcp,port=2049 nfs-server:/ /mnt
[23:25] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: That's ok!  Just trying to help you :)
[23:26] <TheMadDrizzle> deadmund:  I'm aware of how frustrating it is to try and help someone who says ' uh hey this doesnt work, help? '  I'm an avionics tech... pilots are dumb.
[23:26] <jnhghy> TheMadDrizzle: you can run partition tools from outside the ubuntu install program to set up your partitions. This is what KatsumeBlisk suggested
[23:26] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: :)
[23:26] <minimec> tao: Yes you can. You will have some performance gain, but it would be better to create a clean new ext4. Performance gain would be even better. http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-convert-ext3-to-ext4-file-system.html
[23:26] <TheMadDrizzle> jnhghy:  I'm currently looking at gparted right now
[23:29] <amr_> hi ,I need support
[23:29] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: Is there anything else on these drives that you want preserved?
[23:30] <TheMadDrizzle> KatsumeBlisk:  no, not at all,  This laptop was a gift and had windows on it, all locked up.  So no, nothing needs to be saved.  I've currently formatted both hdds, so they're empty now.
[23:31] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: Did you do two root and 1 swap on 120 and then one on 80?
[23:31] <deadmund> KatsumeBlisk: TheMadDrizzle I agree, do that.
[23:31] <KatsumeBlisk> !ask | amr_
[23:32] <TheMadDrizzle> KatsumeBlisk:  They should be about 55% for / and then 10% for swap?
[23:32] <TheMadDrizzle> katsumeBlisk:  Sorry 55%X2
[23:32] <amr_> I used the order to create swap file but it didn't work, my case is as follows I am on ubuntu live (on flash drive) and I wan to make swap file on my main hard disk
[23:33] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: Question: Do you want these distros to share a home directory?
[23:33] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: Basically, they'll
[23:33] <KatsumeBlisk> oops
[23:33] <irrswlx> .
[23:33] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: Basically they'll "stay in sync". You won't have anything extra to do when using one distro over the other.
[23:33] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: Your settings for applications will carry over too.
[23:34] <TheMadDrizzle> KatsumeBlisk:  Yes, I would prefer that.
[23:34] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: Is it possible for you to use the 120 has the storage and the 80 as the booted HDD? You'd get more storage this way.
[23:34] <OerHeks> I think that is a bad idea, sharing /home between ubuntu+arch
[23:34] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: Root doesn't need to be massive when you have home on a different partition.
[23:34] <KatsumeBlisk> OerHeks: Why's that?
[23:34] <TheMadDrizzle> KatsumeBlisk:  I dont see why I couldn't do that.
[23:35] <blake_> Where did "Advanced Desktop Effects" go in Ubuntu 12.04??
[23:35] <defnordic_> hi, I am trying to get cassandra up and running on ubuntu 11.04 - but cassandra never starts listening on port 9160, when I kill all processes and start cassandra -f, nothing happens and I have to kill it to stop it :/
[23:35] <amr_> here is the order (but it didn't work) >>> fallocate -l 6g /media/309AFD059AFCC87C/ubuntu live drive program files/6g.swap
[23:36] <bazhang> blake_, in ccsm
[23:36] <deadmund> KatsumeBlisk: OerHeks I agree. One possible issue.  If you install xchat in both distros the same settings file will be used in the home folder and it is likely the settings files are constructed differently.  Therefore when Ubuntu xchat writes it's settings they will appear as nonsense to arch's xchat and visa-versa
[23:36] <bazhang> !ccsm | blake_
[23:36] <blake_> Thanks bazhang
[23:36] <KatsumeBlisk> deadmund: OerHeks I forgot that Arch uses different versions of programs since it's rolling. I agree. Oops
[23:37] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: Scratch my idea. It's a bad one. Didn't fully think it through. I recommend doing what you were originally. 120 with 2 roots and swap and 80 as storage. Sorry about that.
[23:37] <JC-PTY> hello guys...
[23:37] <amr_> any one can tell me why the following order give me unexpected number of arguments? >>>>> fallocate -l 6g /media/309AFD059AFCC87C/ubuntu live drive program files/6g.swap
[23:37] <deadmund> yeah
[23:38] <TheMadDrizzle> KatsumeBlisk:  Not a problem, i'm still mucking about anyways -=)
[23:38] <deadmund> KatsumeBlisk: TheMadDrizzle I agree with that
[23:38] <OerHeks> You can add a seperate partition to share media/documents and data from apps
[23:38] <blake_> If anyone from the Ubuntu development team is online, I'd like to thank you. Ubuntu is running really nice for me and I'm telling EVERYONE about it!
[23:38] <JC-PTY> I would like to know the commands on how to start xvnc from my ssh session so that i can have control of the full GUI when needed
[23:38] <deadmund> OerHeks: that's what he's doing on the separate 80Gb
[23:38] <KatsumeBlisk> OerHeks: Yeah. I was trying to be cool and have home be shared. On distros with the same version (ie Mint and Ubuntu), that's really helpful. lol.
[23:38] <JC-PTY> i have Ubuntu 12.04
[23:40] <CRF_H0M3R> hiho
[23:40] <amr_> any one can tell me why the following order give me unexpected number of arguments? >>>>> fallocate -l 6g /media/309AFD059AFCC87C/ubuntu live drive program files/6g.swap
[23:40] <KatsumeBlisk> !patience | amr_
[23:41] <goldenwest> anyone know of a command-line utility to quiz yourself with "notecards" containing various questions
[23:41] <bawwwller> hi is Mark Shuttleworth still the one who cracks the whip?
[23:43] <bazhang> !ot | bawwwller
[23:45] <OerHeks> amr_, try "fallocate -l 6GB ..... " >> see man fallocate
[23:46] <zilla_> hi
[23:46] <zilla_> where is the window management settings? to control what folders look like
[23:46] <Delta|Mac> I have a Asus PCIe soundcard with the C-Media CMI8786 chipset. I know there is not much support in alsa.  Is there any known stable fix for playout? Ubuntu don't see the soundcards but lspci -nn does.
[23:46] <zilla_> new to ubuntu 12
[23:47] <TheMadDrizzle> KatsumeBlisk, deadmund:  Thank you both for the help!
[23:47] <amr_> oerheks: didn't work too
[23:47] <deadmund> TheMadDrizzle: sure
[23:47] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: Is that all you needed?
[23:47] <zilla_> how to cgange to mist theme?
[23:47] <minimec> amr_: I just start reading your question. So you want to create a 6GB swap file? You could also use 'dd' for that. The command would besomthing like: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/6144MB.swap bs=1M count=6144 That would create a 6GB file in /mnt. You would then have to add that one in your /etc/fstab
[23:48] <TheMadDrizzle> KatsumeBlisk:  I think so, I may be back later with more vague questions!
[23:48] <KatsumeBlisk> TheMadDrizzle: No problem! Glad I could help. :)
[23:50] <amr_> minimec: thank you so much for answering me but I am very new here and need step by step help, so the case is that I am on ubuntu live on my flash bootable drive and I want to make swap file on my main hard disk to be able to hibernate so is this possible?
[23:51] <blake_> What command do I use to launch a program minimized?
[23:51] <KatsumeBlisk> blake_: With the command line or what?
[23:52] <KatsumeBlisk> blake_: With CLI, I believe it's <program> &
[23:52] <blake_> KatsumeBlisk no for gnome
[23:52] <blake_> Like Skype
[23:53] <OerHeks> some programs use -min others use -systray
[23:53] <bugaloo> Hi all! So... I have an old dv2000 hp laptop, running ubuntu 12.04, and when I'm using the battery, the sound appears to go to standby, but it doesn't work well, and it keeps  "clicking", like if it was going in and out of standby mode... any leads?
[23:53] <blake_> OerHeks I have already checked the software's command line arguments.
[23:53] <KatsumeBlisk> I think my answer was background and not minimized...
[23:53] <blake_> KatsumeBlisk Yes I agree =)
[23:54] <minimec> amr_: This is possible. You would have to mount the partition you want to use for the swap file first. What file system would that partition use? ext4 or ntfs?
[23:54] <caixa> is there a good equalizer for ubuntu?  i tried the pulseaudio one and it distorts and overamps too much
[23:54] <amr_> it's ntfs with windows 7 on it
[23:55] <arrrghhh> digitig, you get it workin?  sorry i haven't seen you ping me
[23:55] <amr_> I just want to use 6g of it as my swap file for my live ubuntu system without any problems for windows 7 sys
[23:56] <OerHeks> There is a tool called devilspie for minimised or open dedicated screen http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/how-to-start-applications-minimized.html
[23:56] <arrrghhh> amr_, swap needs to be raw empty disk basically
[23:56] <dylan> I have that red caution triangle at the top of my screen, however when I check for updates, there are none available.
[23:57] <minimec> amr_: First create a folder, where you want to mount that partition to. For example: sudo mkdir -p /media/win7 (--> new folder win7 in /media)
[23:57] <amr_> arrrghh: I am not sure I understand you, I don't want to make a partition swap just swap file !!!
[23:57] <dylan> amr_:swap HAS to be a partition
[23:57] <eidsten> Hey! I have a question i'm hoping someone could answer: Which distro would run best on a 64MB ram system?
[23:57] <KatsumeBlisk> amr_: There's no such thing as a swap file afaik. It's a partition.
[23:57] <dylan> amr_: it only has to be a few gigs tho
[23:57] <digitig> arrrghhh: No joy with that mount command, either. For what it's worth, I can see the drive just fine if I point an internet browser at the IP address. I've also checked the  iomega documentation again. It says to use their Linux setup software, but it's 32-bit only and I have a 64-bit installation.
[23:57] <dylan> eidsten: I would try something like puppy linux or Damn Small Linux
[23:58] <minimec> amr_: then you have to check how ubuntu sees that partiton right now: sudo fdisk -l (--> will list all available partitions)
[23:58] <arrrghhh> digitig, nah this shouldn't be so difficult.  maybe it's the type of NFS we're using.  have you tried v3?
[23:58] <eidsten> dylan: I tried Puppy already, it's kind of slow(!) perhaps it's the GPU, i'll try DSL! Thank you!
[23:59] <amr_> minimec: my main hard disk is alrady monted to ubuntu
[23:59] <bugaloo> does anybody know how to disable the auto standby of sound system when the laptop is running on battery?
[23:59] <amr_> and I made folder on it which I want to add the sawp file inside it with this name: ubuntu live drive program files


[07:10] <Saviq> karmavil: you want to install `mir-graphics-drivers-nvidia`, or make sure you build it when building yourself
[07:12] <Saviq> The logs you shown don't actually show the server log, which would be more helpful to see what the server thinks the GPU setup is
[07:28] <Saviq> It may be easier to run `mir_demo_server` first, to see that the server starts up
[08:16] <RAOF> Today:
[08:16] <RAOF> * Wishing that my laptop with _16 GiB of RAM_ didn't enter OOM death quite so often :blobcat_angry:
[08:19] <RAOF> More seriously:
[08:19] <RAOF> * Testing
[08:19] <RAOF> * Fixing up Screencopy again
[08:19] <RAOF> And: Question: do we have a test for screencopy anywhere I can run easily?
[08:20] <Saviq> WAYLAND_DISPLAY=… ubuntu-frame.screenshot should do
[08:20] <Saviq> Or just grim
[08:24] <RAOF> 👍
[08:25] <RAOF> I see we have an agenda on the invite, so there is a meeting this evening.
[15:38] <sophie-w> Good morning all. Is there anything in particular I should be working on today?
[15:40] <Saviq> sophie-w: Hey, would you please write down everything Flutter you know; re: the multi-window prototype you wrote; any relevant resources; any next steps you can think of;
[15:40] <sophie-w> Will do
[15:43] <Saviq> sophie also: an example of how to use Flutter with layer-shell would be good
[15:43] <sophie-w> Saviq: I can try, but is that known to work? IIRC there was something fucky last time I tried it, but could have changed.
[15:44] <Saviq> You're still best equipped to try, and note down what is effed
[15:44] <sophie-w> (something along the lines of flutter creating subsurfaces that didn't get committed right with gtk layer shell, could be entirely misremembering though. Will give it a shot.
[15:44] <sophie-w> * a shot.)
[16:19] <Saviq> Today:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/03c2791816964aaefd072fb17a3dde1f9a2551e5>)
[16:40] <sophie-w> There hasn't been any upstream updates to the multi-window spike I can find. Updating the prototype would probably be a lot of work, and not get us anything except it running on top of the latest Flutter.
[22:58] <sophie-w> Today:
[22:58] <sophie-w> - Put notes about flutter multi-window and layer shell in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1odBc5PSwVhz1LUA5KvvxYnt_pm8JmlDPZzhvg3qPAXc/edit?usp=sharing
[22:58] <sophie-w> - Debugged problem using Flutter with gtk-layer-shell, had to dig deep into GTK
[22:58] <sophie-w> - Found a workaround (explicitly set window size, doc explains), and also made a fix to gtk-layer-shell: https://github.com/wmww/gtk-layer-shell/pull/166