[06:10] <studio-user092> hello
[06:26] <sparky1> hola! como estas?
[06:27] <sparky1> muy bien! gracias
[06:27] <sparky1> hello!
[06:27] <sparky1> i am sparky1
[06:28] <sparky1> welcome sparky1
[06:29] <sparky1> welcome sparky1 to #ubuntustudio irc chat
[06:30] <Unit193> !es | sparky1
[06:32] <sparky1> sparky1 hablas poquito espanol, muchas ingles. lo siento, gracias
[06:33] <sparky1> sparky1 is having some technical difficulties
[06:33] <len-1304> Please describe the problem.
[06:34] <sparky1> i am trying to install ubuntustudio on my new computer...
[06:35] <sparky1> but it almost finishes... and then....
[06:35] <sparky1> Executing 'grub-install/dev/sda' failed.
[06:36] <sparky1> This is a fatal error.
[06:36] <len-1304> Yes it would be.
[06:36] <sparky1> The same exact thing happened when trying to install dream studio
[06:37] <len-1304> How many partitions/OSs do you have on the drive?
[06:37] <len-1304> How many drives do you use?
[06:38] <sparky1> 2 drives running raid0
[06:38] <sparky1> comp came stock with windows8
[06:39] <zequence> sparky1: That's probably it. I don't know much about raid configuration, but you might want to consider software raid instead
[06:39] <len-1304> How does it normally boot? Does it boot off of one drive and then enable the raid? or is it a HW raid?
[06:39] <zequence> or, the installation needs some custom work
[06:39] <zequence> len-1304: It's HW raid
[06:39] <zequence> done in bios
[06:39] <sparky1> honestly...
[06:40] <zequence> or UEFI, whichever it is
[06:40] <sparky1> this came with raid0 from the lenovo factory
[06:40] <zequence> sparky1: Try asking about this on #ubuntu-installer
[06:40] <len-1304> sparky1, are you trying to keep the windows partition  or go all linux?
[06:41] <sparky1> all linux
[06:41] <len-1304> That should be easier then.
[06:42] <sparky1> idk what the deal is...
[06:42] <len-1304> Win 8 will have come with secure boot turned on, and that needs to be turned off in bios.
[06:42] <sparky1> but i tried to install kxstudio first...
[06:42] <zequence> len-1304: It's not the problem, I don't think
[06:42] <sparky1> and that just gave me a zebra screen of death
[06:43] <zequence> I've had problems installing grub boot loader on HW RAID before
[06:43] <zequence> Could be both are presenting problems
[06:43] <sparky1> ivy bridge processer?
[06:43] <zequence> sparky1: I really advice you to ask about this at #ubuntu-installer. You'll find devs there that work on these kind of problems
[06:44] <zequence> sparky1: Processor has nothing to do with it
[06:44] <sparky1> thanx!! =)
[06:44] <sparky1> u guys rock!
[06:44] <zequence> sparky1: Well, we weren't able to solve your problem :(
[06:45] <sparky1> u r stiil cool! and pointed me in good direction! ;) still rock!
[16:13] <smartboyhw_> GridCube: What brings you here? :)
[16:41] <Alejandro__> hi, i need help intalling ubuntuStudio and installing driver of card the video el SO cancel the install
[16:43] <holstein> !atii | Alejandro__ is what i refer to
[16:43] <holstein> !ati
[16:44] <holstein> Alejandro__: i usually just install the OS, and install graphics drives if needed
[16:44] <holstein> !nomodeset | Alejandro__ this can help if you cant get to a desktop to install
[16:53] <GridCube> smartboyhw_, P: this channel is always on my autologin
[16:54] <holstein> GridCube: thanks for helping us!
[16:55] <GridCube> P: i rarely see questions here tho
[19:19] <Inoki> Hi there, does anyone know how to backup GIMP shortcuts?
[19:24] <zequence> Inoki: I'm guessing those shortcuts only exist in the GIMP application, and you are not talking about externel shortcuts?
[19:25] <zequence> Inoki: GIMP has all its user settings in the home folder
[19:25] <zequence> In my case, it's ~/.gimp-2.8
[19:25] <Inoki> zequence: I'm talking about customized shortcuts for the applications, like changing tool shortcuts.
[19:26] <Inoki> zequence: I've looked there, couldn't find keyboard shortcuts there.
[19:27] <zequence> Inoki: Everything should be there. To test, rename it. Open GIMP. If the shortcuts are gone, they exist in the folder
[19:27] <zequence> GIMP will create a new default settings folder, when you remove or rename the old one.
[19:28] <zequence> You can just rename it again, once you're done
[19:28] <zequence> Well, you know what I mean :)
[19:30] <Inoki> zequence: found it, it's under /home/<username>/.gimp-2.8/menurc
[19:31] <Inoki> zequence: well hidden and kinda awkward looking.


[12:34] <Admiral_Chicago> somerville32: i just got back from class, got a few minutes to help with UWN
[12:49] <elkbuntu> is this UWN for the week we're still in, or last week?
[12:55] <tsmithe> ping jenda
[12:56] <tsmithe> meh
[12:56] <tsmithe> im going to sleep now anyway
[12:56] <tsmithe> so i guess i missed him
[03:09] <somerville32> Admiral_Chicago, Ok
[03:10] <beuno> hey somerville32
[03:10] <somerville32> Hi
[03:10] <somerville32> I'm going to release UWN 29 tonight
[03:11] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, ping
[03:11] <beuno> need any help?  I've got an hour to spare
[03:11] <somerville32> Yup :)
[03:11] <somerville32> Feisty Changes needs doing like usual
[03:11] <somerville32> Lets meet on Gobby Server
[03:11] <somerville32> elkbuntu, Do you have any LoCo news we can stick in?
[03:12] <elkbuntu> somerville32, i'll tell you if you tell me what time frame tihs one is for
[03:12] <somerville32> elkbuntu, Last week
[03:12] <beuno> somerville32, on juliux's server?
 is this UWN for the week we're still in, or last week?
[03:12] <somerville32> beuno, Yes.
[03:13] <elkbuntu> im actually in the process of moving hosting over so i can get it set up and stable before the old hosting disappears in 2 days time
[03:13] <beuno> ufl@ftw?
[03:13] <somerville32> beuno, yes.
[03:13] <beuno> elkbuntu, I'd like to talk to you if you have a few minutes
[03:13] <elkbuntu> beuno, not right now i dont, sorry
[03:13] <somerville32> elkbuntu, k
[03:14] <beuno> elkbuntu, ok, I guess I'll end up writing you an email, we don't seem to have compatible time zones
[03:14] <elkbuntu> beuno, maybe once somerville clarifies which definition of 'last week' as per the question i quoted, and i finish going through mail archives etc
[03:15] <beuno> it's not really that important, don't worry
[03:15] <elkbuntu> beuno, write the email, it's probably the best way
[03:16] <beuno> elkbuntu, will do
[03:19] <elkbuntu> someone care to define how to get onto juliux' server, since EditingPolicies seems to have old information?
[03:20] <elkbuntu> somerville32?
[03:20] <somerville32> elkbuntu, ubuntu.juliux.de
[03:20] <somerville32> Port 6523
[03:20] <somerville32> Password: ufl@ftw
[03:20] <elkbuntu> ok, now you're responding here, <elkbuntu> <elkbuntu> is this UWN for the week we're still in, or last week?
[03:21] <elkbuntu> so, last week as in this last week, or the last week
[03:22] <elkbuntu> actually, from <date1> to <date2> is a good idea, since i dont know the date the last UWN was released
[03:23] <somerville32> elkbuntu, This is for 15-22
[03:23] <elkbuntu> ok, when i finish exporting and backing up, i'll look through mails
[03:24] <somerville32> Awesome.
[03:24] <somerville32> Thanks a bunch
[04:08] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, ping ping ping :P
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: sleepy pong
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: GEdit is open :)
[04:09] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, What did you decide to do it on?
[04:09] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: g-c-c looks good - available in Dapper/Edgy as well as being a development in Feisty
[04:10] <somerville32> gnome-control-centre?
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> yep
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> Thoughts?
[04:10] <somerville32> Sounds good
[04:12] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, Can you have it done for tonight? :)
[04:12] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: yes master
[04:15] <somerville32> Perfect, so we just need three things before release.
[04:15] <somerville32> 1. Feisty Changes
[04:15] <somerville32> 2. Community spotlight
[04:15] <somerville32> 3. And some more "In the press" and "LoCo News" articles
[04:17] <tonyyarusso> Community news taken care of?  There was something in the news on ubuntu.com this week
[04:17] <tonyyarusso> In the press I have at least one thing for (OSDL results)
[04:17] <beuno> yes, I sent those  ;)
[04:18] <beuno> I was happy to see that in my email
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> beuno: I got them too :)
[04:19] <beuno> ah, so it was several of us who voted
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> Security annc already taken care of somerville32 ?
[04:19] <somerville32> yup
[04:21] <tonyyarusso> cool
[04:23] <beuno> heh, searching for "pathological changelog" didn't bring back what I was expecting...
[04:24] <somerville32> lol
[04:42] <beuno> 8 feist packages left
[04:42] <beuno> *feisty
[04:44] <somerville32> Really?!
[04:44] <somerville32> Crazy :)
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> I love it.
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> Some guy did all kinds of screenshots; I'm totally linking.
[04:46] <somerville32> Crazy awesome! :)
[04:49] <beuno> now that I look it over
[04:49] <beuno> I used the same format for every single package...
[04:49] <beuno> so it was fast, just not very creative
[04:51] <somerville32> :]
[04:52] <beuno> it's friday, 1 am
[04:52] <beuno> creativity isn't exactly flowing through my vains...
[04:53] <somerville32> 6 minutes away from 12am here
[04:56] <beuno> ok, feisty packages... done?
[04:59] <tonyyarusso> spotlight very nearly so
[05:00] <somerville32> Ok
[05:00] <somerville32> Lets do "In the press" stuff
[05:00] <tonyyarusso> beuno: Throw us the link to the ODSL results
[05:01] <beuno> http://developer.osdl.org/dev/dtl/2006survey-analysis.pdf
[05:03] <tonyyarusso> The 49% figure is near the middle I think.
[05:04] <beuno> yeap, closer to the end I think
[05:06] <beuno> brb, dog wants to "go to the bathroom"
[05:16] <tonyyarusso> Has someone started writing about that outside of Gobby yet?
[05:20] <somerville32> About wat?
[05:20] <somerville32> OSDL Results? no
[05:20] <somerville32> I contributed to that Survey...
[05:21] <somerville32> s/contributed/participated
[05:22] <tonyyarusso> Extra checkbox or something
[06:01] <somerville32> Ok
[06:01] <somerville32> I think UWN 29 is ready for pre-release checklisting
[06:19] <beuno> great
[06:19] <tonyyarusso> where is the list again?
[06:20] <somerville32> Wiki
[06:21] <beuno> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[06:34] <beuno> ok, that's it for me
[06:34] <beuno> UWN going tonight then somerville32?
[06:34] <somerville32> Yup
[06:35] <beuno> great, I'm glad
[06:35] <beuno> again, great job somerville32, congrats
[06:35] <somerville32> lol
[06:35] <somerville32> Thanks
[06:35] <somerville32> Thank you for your great work too! :)
[06:36] <beuno> np, you know I have a love/hate relationship with feisty packages
[06:36] <beuno> cya around
[06:48] <Mez> somerville32, you never dropped me that email
[06:48] <somerville32> Mez: I went to work :P
[06:49] <Mez> somerville32, lol
[06:49] <somerville32> Mez: And then I came home and finished the UWN
[06:49] <somerville32> Answered all my new e-mail
[06:49] <somerville32> And helped several users in #xubuntu
[06:49] <somerville32> ;]
[06:49] <somerville32> However, I promise you that you'll get an e-mail someday soon ;]
[06:51] <somerville32> Thanks crimsun
[07:04] <somerville32> Woot!
[07:05] <somerville32> GJ Everyone :)
[10:10] <jenda> tsmithe: semi-pong
[10:10] <jenda> (on my way out)
[10:13] <Vhata> I don't want to sound critical, but surely the writers of UWN should be used to spelling "Feisty" (and not "Fiesty") by now?
[10:13] <jenda> Vhata: good point.
[10:14] <Vhata> I fixed the wiki page
[10:14] <Vhata> googling for "fiesty" is amusing
[10:14] <Vhata> especially these poor people, who have an entire domainname:  http://www.ourfiestyferrets.com/
[10:15] <tonyyarusso> oh dear
[10:15] <tonyyarusso> ferrets?
[10:15] <Vhata> ja
[10:16] <Vhata> I suppose their problems are bigger than a misspelled domain name, then ;-)
[10:36] <jenda> Vhata: I believe fiesty is also a word
[10:36] <jenda> or not? :)
[10:42] <jenda> tsmithe: whatd'ya need?
[10:47] <Vhata> 'feista' maybe ;-)
[10:59] <jenda> hehe
[10:59] <jenda> Vhata: actually, that's fiesta :)
[11:00] <jenda> juliux: you think you could give a quiz today?
[11:00] <tsmithe> jenda, eh?
[11:00] <jenda> :)
[11:00] <jenda> tsmithe: you pung me.
[11:00] <juliux> jenda, not sure
[11:00] <tsmithe> hmm
[11:00] <tsmithe> jenda, what was the ping?
[11:00] <tsmithe> i remember now!
[11:00] <juliux> jenda, yo need a question?
[11:00] <tsmithe> jenda, yesterday was the first time i'd felt comfortable on dvorak
[11:00] <tsmithe> that's all :)
[11:01] <tonyyarusso> oooo a quiz!
[11:01] <jenda> tsmithe: ooh :)
[11:01] <jenda> tonyyarusso: can you give it? :)
[11:02] <tonyyarusso> jenda: That could probably be arranged.  Are there questions already or you want me to make it up?
[11:02] <jenda> tonyyarusso: you'd have to make them up.
[11:02] <tonyyarusso> okay
[11:02] <jenda> on any topic.
[11:03] <tonyyarusso> muahaha
[11:03] <jenda> tonyyarusso: would 17:30 UTC be good?
[11:03] <jenda> (relevant topic)
[11:03] <tonyyarusso> noon-thirty?
[11:03] <tonyyarusso> If I grab a nap-sleep now it could be
[11:03] <tonyyarusso> (what's relevant?)
[11:03] <jenda> anything you consider relevant ;)
[11:03] <jenda> I was gonna give a quiz on IRC.
[11:04] <tonyyarusso> I could have some things on that.
[11:04] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[11:04] <jenda> No - leave that one to me :)
[11:04] <jenda> hehe
[11:04] <jenda> 'pick your own topic ;)'
[11:04] <tonyyarusso> right
[11:05] <jenda> I have a RL meeting, so can't give it :/
[11:05] <tonyyarusso> ohhhh, I have a devilish idea, if I can make it work
[11:05] <tonyyarusso> RL?
[11:05] <jenda> real life
[11:06] <jenda> Don't worry if you don't know what it is.
[11:06] <jenda> That happens often to linux geeks.
[11:06] <tonyyarusso> oh
[11:06] <tonyyarusso> I'm like "Is that a red hat thing?"
  :X
[11:35] <jenda>
[11:36] <elkbuntu> i did, but only because i was conserving money for LCA
[11:47] <jenda> juliux: ping
[11:48] <jenda> juliux: some trouble in -de-treffpunkt
[12:20] <tonyyarusso> jenda: So you want the quiz in t+6:10, right?
[12:23] <jenda> right
[12:23] <jenda> :)
[12:23] <jenda> tonyyarusso: if you're lucky, theCore will join the bot...
[12:23] <jenda> and if not, you'll have to score manually :)
[12:24] <tonyyarusso> jenda: Okay.
[12:24] <tonyyarusso> I'm going to go sleep for a while then, and hopefully wake up when my alarm goes off.  If not, don't panic - just postpone.
[12:24] <juliux> jenda, ?
[12:25] <juliux> jenda, i thought the trubble was last night
[12:25] <jenda> juliux: IceLink was banned, and doesn't know why.
[12:25] <jenda> Please check the logs.
[12:25] <juliux> jenda, ok
[12:25] <jenda> I suspect him to be a troll, though.
[12:26] <juliux> he was also in #ubuntu-de is his a newbie
[12:27] <jenda> ok
[12:32] <juliux> i removed the ban and i think i will also remove the op rights for somebody;)
[12:35] <jenda> hehe :)
[12:36] <jenda> what's "Versehen", juliux?
[12:37] <juliux> jenda, by mistake
[12:38] <jenda> ok
[04:31] <alefteris> hi everyone. is there a list of software that Canonical sporsors?
[04:31] <jenda> alefteris: have a look at their website.
[04:31] <jenda> canonical.com, i think.
[04:32] <jenda> There's a list of projects, I believe.
[04:33] <alefteris> this is what i found.. http://www.canonical.com/projects
[04:33] <alefteris> is there something else?
[04:34] <jenda> I don't think so.
[04:34] <alefteris> for example people that work in other open source project and are hired by hcanonical
[04:35] <jenda> No idea.
[04:35] <jenda> I guess we aren't the people to ask :( We're the Ubuntu Marketing Team, not Canonical... maybe, try asking in #canonical
[04:36] <jenda> nah, never mind that - that channel is defunct.
[04:36] <jenda> alefteris: ask jono bacon - he's on IRC as jono
[04:36] <alefteris> ok thanks jenda
[04:37] <alefteris> jenda, i think it sould also have to do the marketing
[04:38] <alefteris> i came here jsu because someone was advetising at me the contributuns that other distros make at opensource porjects
[04:39] <jenda> Canonical isn't Ubuntu.
[05:00] <ompaul> and that is a canonical answer ... (check the dictionary for the meaning of canonical and it all gets very punny)
[05:01] <jenda> yup
[12:07] <somerville32> Jenda! :)
[12:07] <jenda> somerville32: :)
[12:07] <jenda> What's up?


[06:36] <TheSteve0> I keep trying to download the dailys of karmic and it can't get past 100 megs before bombing out
[06:37] <TheSteve0> are there torrents or somewhere else other than cdimage to download images?
[06:43] <christa40> Voer tekst hier in...goede morgen


[04:36] <cfhowlett> !ping
[05:13] <TurBoss> Pang!
[05:13] <cfhowlett> errr ... ping!
[05:13] <TurBoss> :P
[09:42] <Slasherss> Hi! Can someone help me with setting up jack server?
[15:03] <OvenWerks> At 140 am?


[00:12] <Glamdring> Howdy. So in trying to make something else work, I updated my kernel, and now my computer once it hits the desktop of the X. Total lockout. What log should I be looking at?
[00:17] <Glamdring> 'Cause I don't think I can fix what's wrong if I'm not sure what is, and I'm something of a n00b.
[00:18] <ianorlin> how did you update the kernel
[00:19] <Glamdring> Well, I was following somebody else's instruction, so I did this: apt-get install linux-image-3.13.0-37-generic linux-headers-3.13.0-37-generic
[00:20] <ianorlin> does hitting control alt f1 switch to a tty
[00:20] <ianorlin> then enter your user name and password
[00:20] <Glamdring> Didn't seem to.
[00:20] <Glamdring> Tell ya what. I'll log in with my laptop real quick, and then I'll start tinkering with her while you're here.
[00:22] <Glamdring> Ahoy from the laptop. Let's try to get to that tty again.
[00:22] <ianorlin> that will switch to tty on the laptop
[00:23] <Glamdring> Hrm. I don't think you understand where I'm going with this.
[00:23] <ianorlin> where are you going with tis
[00:23] <ianorlin> this
[00:23] <Glamdring> I have two computers. The laptop is how I'll maintain contact and follow instructions.
[00:23] <Glamdring> The desktop is the one which isn't working.
[00:23] <Glamdring> I've rebooted; I'm locked out now.
[00:23] <Glamdring> Let's try this.
[00:24] <Glamdring> Ctrl-alt-f1?
[00:24] <Glamdring> 'Cause that did nothing I could see.
[00:24] <Glamdring> I mean, just now, as we speak.
[00:26] <ianorlin> what os in on laptop?
[00:26] <Glamdring> kubuntu, using LXDE; it was the disk I had on hand at the time.
[00:26] <Glamdring> The desktop that's messing with me (Sasha) is using Lubuntu.
[00:27] <ianorlin> another idea is you can try to boot with an older kernel on the desktop by holding shift down at boot to get into grub
[00:28] <Glamdring> It actually defaults to grub, but I'll see if anything changes.
[00:28] <Glamdring> Oh. Cute. So I can get it to shut down properly if I press the power button.
[00:28] <Glamdring> Maybe it just hates my mouse and keyboard...
[00:28] <ianorlin> one thing to notice is press down
[00:29] <ianorlin> to go to advanced optoins for ubuntu on the menu
[00:29] <Glamdring> Okay. I'm there now.
[00:30] <ianorlin> do you see the boot ubuntu with an older kernel?
[00:31] <Glamdring> I've got 3.13.0-37 and 3.13.0-24 as options.
[00:31] <Glamdring> (And their recovery modes.)
[00:31] <ianorlin> oh try 3.13.0-24 to try to boot
[00:31] <Glamdring> Memory fails, but this may be how I got to chatting with you from said desktop in the first place. (Hence having to log in with the laptop.)
[00:32] <ianorlin> ah
[00:32] <Glamdring> Well, I've done it. I can move the mouse.
[00:32] <Glamdring> So yeah, it boots fine into 0-24, it seems.
[00:33] <ianorlin> 3.13.0-27 isn't that new of  a kernel anymore
[00:33] <Glamdring> Not surprised.
[00:34] <Glamdring> Wait, 0-24, 0-27 (which I don't have), or 0-37?
[00:35] <Glamdring> Are you saying 0-37 isn't very new anymore, or are we on a different topic?
[00:36] <ianorlin> 0-37 is new
[00:36] <ianorlin> why not just try using system updates normally?
[00:36]  * Glamdring shrugs.
[00:36] <Glamdring> I was following instructions, so I did as the instructions said.
[00:37] <ianorlin> you can go to menu system tools software updater or do you want to upgrade from command line
[00:37] <Glamdring> Well, command line would be better; it's the less intuitive means, so it's the one I need to work harder to learn.
[00:38] <Glamdring> So if you don't mind, I'll try command line.
[00:38] <ianorlin> ok then run sudo apt-get update first to get the lists of new packages
[00:38] <ianorlin> so it knows which updates to install
[00:38] <Glamdring> Compliance.
[00:38] <ianorlin> then run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:39] <Glamdring> "It's a simple question, Norm. Just say yes and we'll move on." I assume I hit y?
[00:39] <ianorlin> y
[00:40] <Glamdring> Compliance.
[00:40] <Glamdring> Heh. This might take a little while, apparently.
[00:40] <ianorlin> yes it needs to download updates
[00:45] <Glamdring> My download speed is wildly inconsistent, apparently. Still, every byte downloaded is one I won't have to download later.
[00:47] <Glamdring> Good, it's all fetched. Now to watch it fly.
[00:50] <Glamdring> Now, is there a goodly chance I could figure out what went awry had I read a log?
[00:51] <Glamdring> I'm asking 'cause she's still busy, so there's time to kill.
[00:57]  * Glamdring shrugs.
[00:58] <Glamdring> Unimportant question, I take it.
[00:59] <Glamdring> Okay, she seems to be updated.
[00:59] <Glamdring> Shall I reboot, see what happens?
[01:00] <Glamdring> I'm trying not to jump ahead on anything. It's got me in trouble before.
[01:14] <Glamdring> ianorlin?
[01:22] <Glamdring> Okay. I'll just restart, and see if it implodes. At worst, I expect no significant change.
[01:24] <Glamdring> Well, it seems to work now. Thanks.
[01:24] <Glamdring> Still wish I understood where it went awry, but it's functional now, and that's enough.
[01:35] <Steven-> If I have two fresh HDs and I want to install & dual boot Ubuntu/Win7Pro (both on same HD) do I just install Win on one drive and just resize the partitions?
[02:33] <Glamdring> I just updated my kernel, and now instead of text I seem to frequently get black or grey bars. How do I fix this?
[02:38] <Glamdring> Searching online, I'm finding this referenced specifically with Firefox, and I admit I popped in the moment I saw the change. Perhaps it's a Firefox problem. Anybody have input?
[03:52] <holstein> Glamdring: with flash in firefox?
[03:53] <holstein> Glamdring: i have input.. seems like you are jumping around a bit on what you thin the issue is.. try and isolate the variables. you should be able to boot the older kernel.. if its only in the web, try other web browser..
[04:02] <holstein> Glamdring: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1314924 is also something that you should look into as well.. suggested by someone in the OT channel
[04:06] <Glamdring> Oh. Sorry. I was a bit distracted.
[04:07] <Glamdring> To isolate a variable, I installed Chromium. I've seen no problems so far, which means it might only be Firefox. And no, not flash.
[04:09] <Glamdring> And yeah, that's probably the bug in question.
[04:14]  * Glamdring reads over the bug, frowns.
[04:14] <Glamdring> I think I'm starting to hate this board.
[04:17] <Glamdring> Thanks. That seems to be an adequate workaround for now.
[04:18] <Glamdring> If I see the same error in other applications, or if the problem returns without significant changes beforehand, I'll make a point of looking into it further.
[09:53] <eto> hello
[09:53] <eto> are devs here too?
[10:23] <viscera> Hi, can I make the Lubuntu disc load entirely to RAM so that I can remove the disc after boot?
[10:24] <viscera> I see some hacks online to do this but maybe it's built-in now?
[15:11] <vvver_562> will ubuntu 14.04 run fine with 2 gb ram?


[06:51] <jibel> good morning
[08:54] <DanChapman> xnox, could I pick your brain about the ubiquity autopilot test for a second?
[08:55] <xnox> sure.
[08:55] <xnox> what's up?
[08:56] <DanChapman> :-) in the launch_application method the get_autopilot_proxy_object_for_process method is asking for two arguments but only one given. What else is it looking for as I can't find it in the docs
[08:57] <xnox> DanChapman: do you have a full error message? is that from my wrapper scripts or something else? it could be that newer autopilot does things differently.
[08:58] <DanChapman> ok two secs ill get the message
[09:01] <DanChapman> xnox, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5783022/
[09:02] <xnox> DanChapman: let me push a patch, it looks like second argument is emulator_base which can be set to None
[09:03] <xnox> let me first check if that works and/or something else is needed there.
[09:03] <DanChapman> xnox, great thanks :-)
[09:12] <xnox> DanChapman: pushed a fix. So just pull the branch and try again.
[09:12] <xnox> should work now.
[09:19] <DanChapman> xnox, awesome thanks mate
[10:09] <pitti> jibel: do you have an alioth account?
[10:10] <pitti> jibel: I asked about NMU'ing autopkgtest in Debian, and they said it would be fine to do our changes directly in git, so that we can get everything back in sync (git, debian, ubuntu)
[10:11] <pitti> jibel: or do you prefer routing changes through me for review?
[10:12] <pitti> jibel: ah, seems you don't
[10:24] <jibel> pitti, I don't hava an alioth account
[10:24] <jibel> have
[10:53] <pitti> thomi: do you happen to have an idea what provides the "window-mocker" program? It's being used in autopilot's test suite (but the functional parts don't run during package build)
[10:57] <pitti> thomi: oh, python-wndowmocker, sorry (doesn't seem to be in command-not-found yet)
[11:25] <xnox> we haven't updated command-not-found cache in ages..... there was somebody doing it for raring release, but as far as I know that was not uploaded.
[11:26] <xnox> pitti: i don't mind uploading changes to autopkgtest ;-) xnox on alioth.
[13:04] <knome> stgraber, do you think you would have some time next week to go through the ISO tracker code with me to prepare for stuff proposed at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-quality/2013-June/003941.html ?
[13:07] <knome> balloons, re: the bug icons, we probably should use the LP bug icons
[13:52] <DanChapman> balloons, ping
[14:04] <stgraber> knome: so I posted some stuff to balloons last night but I don't think he read it yet. As a summary, I'm opposed to moving things to the sidebar as implementing this would be horribly hacky in Drupal and would potentially double the number of SQL queries required for the page
[14:06] <stgraber> blocks are completely separate from the page and can't share data easily, there's also no reliable way for a Drupal module to force a specific block to be displayed and on-screen placement isn't guaranteed (varies between themes). Other communities have showed interest in using the qatracker for their testing, so I'd rather not make any assumption on the theme or exact Drupal configuration in the module.
[14:18] <knome> stgraber, right. what about this: i rework the submit-form to suit the main area as well
[14:18] <knome> stgraber, we've been talking about some js-enhancements, and one of those would be to move the form to the sidebar
[14:19] <balloons> DanChapman, pong
[14:19] <knome> stgraber, (pick up the element with jquery, remove it, then readd to sidebar)
[14:20] <knome> stgraber, if we had the css ready, js-enabled browsers could show the style currently proposed without the form being in the sidebar programmatically
[14:20] <balloons> knome, stgraber yes I read your notes stgraber. I assume some of the stuff we imagined would not be doable, which is ok. It's still safe to imagine :-)
[14:20] <DanChapman> balloons, hey have you still got examples of the _find and _walk functions I cant seem to find them
[14:20] <balloons> DanChapman, I believe so.. just a sec
[14:20] <DanChapman> cheers pal
[14:20] <knome> stgraber, that's also one of the reasons why i don't use drupal ;)
[14:21] <stgraber> knome: I guess that'd work. You'll have an hard time making the JS code work with the various layout configurations that are possible in Drupal, but I guess you can have it check that there's enough space and that it's a supported them and only do it in that case
[14:21] <DanChapman> vis doesn't give much help with ubiquity :-(
[14:21] <knome> stgraber, the other option is to work on a generic drupal theme...
[14:22] <knome> stgraber, it's a loooong time since i did that, but i can't imagine it being way too complex
[14:22] <stgraber> knome: hmm, no, please no ;) we had that in the previous version of the tracker (custom layout, sidebars, ...) and it was a nightmare to maintain and port to newer version of Drupal
[14:22] <knome> heh, ok
[14:22] <knome> stgraber, in that case, is drupal a hard requirement? ;)
[14:23] <xnox> DanChapman: sup? I might be able to help you. as well, I know ubiquity inside out & can change ui element names as best suited for autopkgtests.
[14:23] <xnox> most of them are either unnamed or named rather mechanically.
[14:23] <knome> stgraber, and re: various layouts, yes, the point would be to make it gracefully degrading, even if somebody didn't have JS at all
[14:24] <balloons> xnox, DanChapman has been the one continuing the hacking on the autopilot ubiquity tests.. If you two haven't met.. ;--)
[14:24] <knome> stgraber, i don't know if you read all of my and balloons' discussions, but the main enhancement i'd like to do with js is being able to "detach" part of the page, eg. have the testcase in a popup rather than sticky in the page
[14:25] <DanChapman> balloons we met earlier xnox awesomely did a fix for me :-)
[14:25] <balloons> DanChapman, kk :-) good
[14:25] <stgraber> knome: Drupal isn't an hard requirement, however the only allowed alternatives are Zope and Django and any plan to move away from Drupal needs to also be able to migrate all the existing data and user accounts (all 30 thousands of them)
[14:25] <balloons> brb, testing box says it's reset time
[14:26] <knome> stgraber, ugh. in that case, we probably should stick with drupal ;)
[14:26] <smartboyhw> balloons, DanChapman hey:)
[14:27] <stgraber> knome: that was my thought last time I rewrote it ;) I would have been tempted to go with flask+storm in python but flask hasn't been approved by IS so I'd likely have ended up having to use Django which for some reason I really don't like...
[14:27] <knome> stgraber, do we have the same problem (sidebar) with the testcase links?
[14:27] <DanChapman> xnox I have a few issues, one is to get the focus back to ubiquity once I start the test in term. Also I can't seem to get the GtkLabel which on the first screen is Welcome, I want to assert it through the test that it changes but using select_single('GtkLabel', label='Welcome') doesn't get me anywhere and can't find it in vis.
[14:27] <knome> stgraber, well IS has been reluctact to allow stuff, but have done it before...
[14:28] <DanChapman> smartboyhw hey :-)
[14:28] <knome> stgraber, anyway, if you have some time next week, we could go through some of the changes right away, and see what we need to change
[14:29] <stgraber> knome: hmm, actually looking at those two blocks, it's possible we don't need SQL queries after all, let me take a look in the code
[14:29] <knome> sure
[14:30] <DanChapman> xnox, I just thought would the label string be inside a <span>  element or something, I remember coming across that in a fileroller dialog.
[14:31] <xnox> DanChapman: I can select it with: self.app.select_single('GtkLabel', name='page_title')
[14:32] <xnox> DanChapman: and then test: .label to be Equals to whatever.
[14:32] <xnox> DanChapman: I open files with glade under /usr/share/ubiquity/gtk/*.ui
[14:33] <stgraber> knome: right, so we already force to have one relatively large side block for the filters, making it a bit more generic and changing to your proposal when on */results should be doable. However I'd prefer we stick to a single block so you'd have to merge Testcase Links and Submit result somehow
[14:33] <balloons> DanChapman, I think this is more than you asked for, heh, but here: http://pastebin.com/s21ca2HJ
[14:33] <xnox> DanChapman: ubiquity.ui is the main one. And then you can click on different objects and see their class (e.g. GtkWindow, GtkLabel, etc) as well as their name (well, id='page_title') for example.
[14:34] <DanChapman> xnox, great thanks for that I didnt think of using glade to view it :-)
[14:34] <xnox> DanChapman: you have the source! use it. Or since you have the branch checkout out you can use glade to view gui/gtk/*.ui files instead =)
[14:35] <knome> stgraber, that sounds doable
[14:35] <DanChapman> balloons, cheers mate perfect
[14:35] <stgraber> knome: so to make sure I get this right, the sidebar is always adding a new result right? if you want to change an existing one you need to click the edit icon?
[14:36] <knome> stgraber, yes, i think that's sane
[14:36] <stgraber> right, so in theory the sidebar doesn't need any DB access then, good
[14:36] <knome> stgraber, we also dropped the "in progress" -state, so...
[14:37] <knome> stgraber, there was some discussion if that could be automatically probed in some way, but that's for later
[14:37] <stgraber> knome: hmm, yeah, that's going to annoy the release team quite a bit I'd expect
[14:37] <knome> stgraber, eg. check with JS if somebody is on the page and has inputted anything to any textform
[14:37] <knome> stgraber, the dropping of "in progress" ?
[14:37] <stgraber> yeah
[14:37] <knome> we can always add it back
[14:38] <knome> but that state should be sent to the tracker without a page load/submitted result anyway
[14:38] <stgraber> during milestone testing I usually fire a dozen install at the same time, each will take around 1h to complete, so I mark them all in-progress so other tests can avoid doing those
[14:38] <knome> (at least if you have JS, again...)
[14:38] <stgraber> if we don't have (and use) in-progress, everyone will rush on Ubuntu Desktop i386/amd64 full disk install
[14:39] <knome> do you think it would be sensible to do that with a JS call?
[14:39] <knome> (or as a fallback, by saving a result)
[14:41] <stgraber> well, we definitely can't assume the user will keep the page open while testing (I don't) and I'm not sure we can assume that starting to type something means that the test is in-progress either
[14:42] <xnox> DanChapman: no idea about focus thought.
[14:42] <knome> hm, what if you check the in-progress checkbox and the tracker will remember that state until you submit a result?
[14:42] <knome> as if you had submitted a result - just do that automatically
[14:43] <stgraber> how would you indicate you're running that test multiple times (on VM + on hardware)?
[14:43] <knome> stgraber, i suppose no way to indicate that.
[14:43] <smartboyhw> stgraber, knome using comments?
[14:43] <stgraber> so that'd be a regression from what we have currently
[14:44] <smartboyhw> We can report multiple testing comments, and indicate where we have it tested (for example Virtualbox, or real machine)
[14:44] <knome> comments could work, but i can see that's not optimal
[14:45] <smartboyhw> knome, we do have comments in our original one. Besides, for package testing we really WANT comments...
[14:45] <stgraber> knome: I think we should keep in-progress as a state, pretty much as it's currently. However to make it less painful, a user should be able to mark a bunch of tests as in-progress directly from the /testcases page without going to /results and we should have a separate view, similar to /subscription to list all the tests the user is doing, so they can easily mark those as past/fail or enter a complete result if needed
[14:45] <knome> smartboyhw, we're not discussing that
[14:45] <smartboyhw> knome, I know.
[14:46] <smartboyhw> But still, comments should be kept.
[14:46] <knome> smartboyhw, we're not discussing dropping them.
[14:46] <smartboyhw> And I do use in-progress sometimes.
[14:46] <knome> stgraber, can you shed a bit more light on how you use in progres...
[14:46] <knome> stgraber, would it be good enough if there was two checkboxes, "i'm running this on hardware" and "i'm running this virtualized"
[14:47] <knome> stgraber, (i know that's a non-working idea as is, but to generalize)
[14:47] <stgraber> knome: grab a dozen ISO, figure out what I'll run on what, start around 20 installs at the same time (mix of virtual and hardware), update the tracker to indicate as much so I can remember what I'm actually testing
[14:47] <knome> stgraber, i mean, we have hardware profiles...
[14:48] <knome> stgraber, if you select hardware profile 1 and check the in-progress checkbox, you have one test running
[14:48] <knome> stgraber, select hardware profile 2 and check the in-progress checkbox, you have another test running
[14:48] <stgraber> right, except that for Edubuntu final testing, we run each test on 2-3 different hardware configuration and I often do those at the same time
[14:49] <stgraber> VM 512MB of RAM, VM 1GB of RAM, VM with UEFI, HW with UEFI+SB being my usual ones
[14:49] <knome> what if the hardware profile wasn't a dropdown but a series of checkboxes?
[14:49] <knome> and checking any indicated you're running the test on that hardware
[14:50] <knome> would that both make us able to drop the in-progress state and make it easy enough to report in progress tests on multiple setups at a time?
[14:50] <stgraber> how would you add a bug report for one of those configuration but not the others then?
[14:50] <knome> heh, you're right.
[14:50] <knome> anyway, i need to go for a while now
[14:50] <knome> will come back with the definite solution.
[14:50] <knome> ...or not
[14:50] <knome> see you later :)
[14:51] <stgraber> later
[14:52] <stgraber> balloons, knome: btw, as far as implementation, I might be able to find some time for that between the 22-26th of July as I've got a release sprint in London and will be doing some work on the tracker during that time anyway
[14:53] <balloons> stgraber, that's great news
[15:09] <jibel> pitti, apport, update-manager and software-properties adt tests failed with unmet deps on python3-pykde4, any idea why ?
[15:10] <balloons> jibel, what day did it fail?
[15:10] <balloons> there was a library issue with kde4 a couple days ago
[15:10] <jibel> balloons, Jun 20, 2013 2:51:25 PM :)
[15:11] <jibel> balloons, it is unrelated to the sip4 api mismatch
[15:13] <balloons> ahh no easy explanation then
[15:20] <jibel> balloons, ah, it is kind of related
[15:20] <jibel> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:20] <jibel>  python3-pykde4 : Depends: sip-py3api-9.2
[15:20] <balloons> hehe
[15:20] <balloons> nailed it
[15:31] <pitti> jibel: oh, so it's pykde, not gtk
[15:32] <pitti> jibel: I guess there was some upload to -proposed causing uninstallability
[15:32] <pitti> jibel: yeah, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt is full of that; new sip4 ABI at first sight
[15:34] <jibel> pitti, yes, xnox confirmed there is transition happening. My understanding was that britney would not submit tests for packages that are uninstallable.
[15:35] <xnox> pitti: jibel: yeah see http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt for sip4,python-qt4 at the bottom. I'm expecting britney trying to migrate those once we upload any of those reverse-depends, until eventually it succeeds.
[15:38] <jibel> xnox, no problem.  I'll dig deeper.. but I guess I'm the only one with those issues apparently
[16:58] <balloons> happened after yesterdays' updates
[17:46] <jibel> balloons, everything crashed after yesterday's update but a restart fixed it, and no crash today
[18:02] <balloons> total nuking time
[19:23] <balloons> whew.. ok, unity is back :)
[19:29] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[19:31] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello.. my box hates me today
[19:32] <balloons> how are you?
[19:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, fine, need you help again :(
[19:32] <DanChapman> hey Letozaf_
[19:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, for the calendar app, have you got a couple of minutes '
[19:32] <Letozaf_> ?
[19:32] <Letozaf_> hey DanChapman
[19:34] <Letozaf_> not sure I found a bug or "I am the bug": my assertion in test_calendar.py", line 82 gives me this errror:
[19:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, self.assertThat(title_label.text, Eventually(Equals("Test event")))
[19:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'text'
[19:34] <Letozaf_> If I am not getting it wrong in autopilot vis I see the text attribute
[19:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, i pushed the app on lp
[19:35] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh.. so you can see it in vis yes?
[19:35] <balloons> Letozaf_,sure.. let's talk some calendar app
[19:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, hope its not me getting it wrong again :p
[19:39] <balloons> Letozaf_, ok I'm pulling the branch again
[19:39] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok thanks
[19:40] <balloons>  lp:~carla-sella/ubuntu-calendar-app/calendar?
[19:43] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes
[19:45] <balloons> ohh look.. I *think* my desktop will stay up for more than 10 seconds now
[19:45] <balloons> fingers crossed
[19:47] <Letozaf_> balloons, http://ubuntuone.com/0rCv1987RU47H5JaMjdTxJ
[19:47] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh! hope so :)
[19:47] <Letozaf_> balloons, I mean fro your desktop
[19:51] <balloons> Letozaf_, ok so you can see it :-) hehe
[19:52] <Letozaf_> balloons, do you think it's a bug ?
[19:52] <balloons> i think I don't know yet..
[19:52] <Letozaf_> balloons, :p
[19:53] <balloons> ok, so in your branch, it's missing stuff
[19:53] <balloons> this can't be the proper branch
[19:53] <balloons> oh hwait
[19:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, argh!
[19:53] <balloons> no no.. I' updated, lol..
[19:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, fiew!
[19:57] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh sorry. I meant, yes there is an issue.
[19:57] <balloons> bzr pull isn't pulling anything else and it can't find the emulator file
[19:58] <balloons> bzr log shows last commit of 6/17
[19:58] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh! did I push it wrong ?
[19:59] <balloons> Letozaf_, see where you pushed it
[19:59] <balloons> let's look
[19:59] <balloons> https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella
[19:59]  * Letozaf_ is looking
[19:59] <balloons> ahh, see
[19:59] <balloons> lol, I was wrong
[19:59] <balloons> lp:~carla-sella/ubuntu-calendar-app/calendar-app
[20:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, I see all the files ..
[20:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, is everything ok now ?
[20:01] <balloons> yes that branch is ggod
[20:01] <balloons> so I'm looking now
[20:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[20:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, as for Bug #1188833  what is the list view ? I was searching for it... :p cannot find this list view...
[20:07] <balloons> We can ask the calendar guys what they mean
[20:07] <balloons> your right, I see no "list view"
[20:08] <balloons> ok Carla so this looks simple
[20:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, tell me please
[20:09] <balloons> but apparently it's not SO simple, haha
[20:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh :p
[20:09] <balloons> the first is to understand the timing issue
[20:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh right! the timing... always forget about the timing....
[20:09] <balloons> don't grab the label until after your finished inserting it.. it's not going to exist or be the right value :-)
[20:10] <balloons> that said, I changed the test to grab the label, then assert it
[20:11] <balloons> in general it works well to grab the object right before you need it, instead of at the beginnig of the test
[20:11] <balloons> that will save heartache
[20:12] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok I must remember this
[20:13] <balloons> k, the other piece is to remember to use objectName and assign a name to the asserts you want to go after
[20:13] <balloons> it makes it easier to search for them, so you don't get the noneType errors (that means the search failed :-) )
[20:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, do you mean this: def get_title_label(self):
[20:14] <Letozaf_> return self.app.select_single("Label", objectName="titleLabel")
[20:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, in the main_window.py
[20:15] <balloons> ok so let's put it altogether and see if it works
[20:15] <balloons> yes, but I didn't see where you defined the objectName="titleLabel" in the qml source file
[20:17] <balloons> so with those changes it runs, but doesn't seem to pass
[20:17] <balloons> i notice that the event doesn't appear on the right date, heh
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, I reported the other  Bug #1193090
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, the one you say did not happen to me, but let me check again
[20:18] <balloons> add a new event for today, it shows up yesterday
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, I swear it has the right date for me, how can it be ?
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, I inserted an event at 23:00
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, could it depend on the time you put ?
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, what time did you put -?
[20:20] <balloons> Letozaf_, it might just be a bug for me then
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, could be...
[20:20] <balloons> i'm more worried about your test at the moment
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, sure
[20:22] <balloons> ok, so one more try ;-
[20:23] <balloons> I'm going to go for it specifically
[20:23] <balloons> self.app.select_single("Label", text="Test Event")
[20:23] <balloons> does that make sense?
[20:24] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes
[20:24] <Letozaf_> balloons, the "old" way
[20:26] <balloons> bah, it worked but I'm getting many events
[20:26] <balloons> we need something more defninitive
[20:26] <balloons> sadly we don't have it I don't think.. date, time, attendees, location
[20:27] <balloons> could still be many duplicate events
[20:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, true
[20:31] <balloons> argh this is so annoying
[20:33] <balloons> well Letozaf_ I don't know.. this app has too many views, lol
[20:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, :( don't you think that just date, time and title are enough? we could have to identical events, but how many could there be ?
[20:33] <Letozaf_> sorry two not to
[20:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, right !
[20:34] <balloons> I have like ten test events at the same time
[20:34] <balloons> but it's showing at the wrong day
[20:34] <balloons> there's a lot wrong
[20:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, I took a look at vis, but found nothing that could help
[20:34] <balloons> ohh it's certainly there
[20:34] <balloons> we can get it easy enough
[20:35] <balloons> grab label with text = 'event title'
[20:36] <balloons> I wanted to try the visible property, but that doesn't work
[20:36] <balloons> it may be enough to say it exists to be honest
[20:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, yeah sound good
[20:38] <balloons> so i've got a version that should do the trick
[20:38] <balloons> let me push it
[20:39] <balloons> what I did was to just check to make sure we can get the label object.. nothing more
[20:39] <balloons> I made the title unqiue by adding a timestamp to it, hag
[20:39] <balloons> *hah
[20:39] <Letozaf_> balloons, great
[20:40] <balloons> lp:~nskaggs/ubuntu-calendar-app/autopilot-title-label
[20:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, I'm getting it
[20:41] <balloons> that was kind of silly to work out
[20:44] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think you had a great idea, but I get errors, I'm on Sacy
[20:45] <Letozaf_> balloons, no wait, had another calendar app opened
[20:45] <Letozaf_> balloons, let me try again
[20:45] <balloons> :-)
[20:46] <Letozaf_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5784933/
[20:47] <Letozaf_> balloons, sorry but I get the error I paste, naughty Saucy
[20:47] <balloons> wild
[20:47] <balloons> that should happen because the events are timestamped
[20:48] <balloons> we can put in a fix though
[20:48] <balloons> so you can change to select_many
[20:48] <Letozaf_> balloons, let me try
[20:49] <Letozaf_> balloons, great! it worked
[20:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, magic balloons :-)
[20:52] <balloons> lol.. not really
[20:52] <balloons> so, whew
[20:52] <Letozaf_> balloons, I got no errors
[20:56] <sethj> I'm really confused now.. Can I use a VM through TestDrive to run ISO testcases, or not? (I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask either..)
[20:58] <Letozaf_> sethj, yes TestDrive syncs the ISO's and then launches them in VM using Virtualbox, KVM or Parallels
[20:59] <Letozaf_> sethj, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noDAsZjvmSA
[21:00] <sethj> Letozaf_, Thanks. I noticed most of the testcases start with "Boot up the iso using a CD/DVD or USB Key to a Live Session" though.. Is that the same as booting a VM?
[21:01] <Letozaf_> sethj, yes
[21:02] <Letozaf_> sethj, the VM boots from the ISO so it's the same
[21:02] <sethj> Letozaf_ Okay, great. I think that answers all my questions :)
[21:02] <Letozaf_> sethj, :)
[21:02] <balloons> sethj, hmm good point. We could probably change the text to read or a VM :-)
[21:04] <sethj> That might be a good idea. I know I was confused there for a bit.
[21:05] <Letozaf_> balloons, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5784976/
[21:06] <Letozaf_> balloons, for me the test looks fine and working
[21:06] <balloons> sethj, so the project has a place to report bugs and submit changes or new tests
[21:06] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/
[21:06] <balloons> i'll file something on changing the text for you now
[21:08] <sethj> balloons, OK thanks. I did see the button "File a big against this testcase", should I do that next time?
[21:08] <sethj> *bug
[21:08] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1193128
[21:09] <balloons> sethj, your more than welcome to file if you see something out of place.. or discuss it first :-)
[21:09] <sethj> Okay :)
[21:10] <sethj> I'm pretty new to all this...
[21:13] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think the test is fine now, do you think I can propose merge ? I will check it again before doing it
[21:13] <balloons> sethj, hehe, no worries
[21:14] <balloons> Letozaf_, indeed, propose away
[21:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh, no! first I have to find out what that list view is
[21:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, that's missing
[21:14] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh right.. we don't have to close every bug with this one merge
[21:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok fine
[21:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, thank you very much for your help
[21:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, I going to bed now
[21:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, 'night
[21:19] <balloons> g'night carla
[23:31] <phillw> balloons: you about?
[23:36] <phillw> ah well, balloons have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom/Saucy/Zsync In future, we should be careful what we wish for! I've got some serious homework to do!


[00:30] <vault711> should i get kubuntu?
[11:02] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:29] <jimtendo-X540S> Hi guys, has anyone else encountered a problem that, when using an encrypted swap, kswapd consumes a very high amount of CPU usage (in my case, 35%+)?
[11:32] <BluesKaj> jimtendo-X540S, why an encrypted swap?
[11:56] <jimtendo-X540S> BluesKaj: Kubuntu set it up by default when I installed Full Disk Encryption.
[11:57] <jimtendo-X540S> BluesKah: As I understand, it's actually a good idea. Saves potentially sensitive information (passwords and keys) from being in the Swap partition in case the PC is ever lost.
[11:57] <jimtendo-X540S> Readable in the swap partition*, sorry.
[11:59] <BluesKaj> perhaps a swap file would use less cpu , and that can be encrypted too.
[12:00] <jimtendo-X540S> BluesKaj: tried that unfortunately :( Still same issue.
[12:00] <jimtendo-X540S> This computer becomes unusable as soon as the swap becomes active. It's only 4gb RAM with a 4gb Swap. Swappiness is only set to kick in when upto 90% ram is used, from memory.
[12:02] <BluesKaj> jimtendo-X540S, my thinking is if the whole disk is encypted then tha data i in the swap file must be in encrypted form as well so if you use a n unencrypted swap then the data there is still encrypted
[12:03] <BluesKaj> the swap file won't decrypt the data ...correct me if I'm wrong
[12:04] <jimtendo-X540S> BluesKaj: Umm... that's an interesting thought. Not sure if it's correct or not, but it might be? Can anyone else confirm this?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> well, guess you could always google :-)
[12:05] <jimtendo-X540S> Either way, to get around this issue, I might just use a swap unencrypted for now... I don't necessarily have anything that is that sensitive, just prefer to follow best practises if I can.
[12:05] <jimtendo-X540S> I'll take a look now, thank you for your help! Appreciate it!
[12:05] <BluesKaj> jimtendo-X540S, let us know what you find out
[12:06] <jimtendo-X540S> BluesKaj: I don't think that's the case, unfortunately :(
[12:07] <jimtendo-X540S> http://askubuntu.com/questions/313564/why-encrypt-the-swap-partition
[12:09] <BluesKaj> jimtendo-X540S, oddly enough their expalanation makes no sense to me , how does the data become decrypted in swap ?
[12:11] <jimtendo-X540S> I think going in it encryptes and going out it decrypts... so I can imagine there should be a bit of a performance hit there.. but I feel confident that the performance hit I'm getting is unusual... it's insanely slow (I usually just reboot as soon as my swap is activated - it's quicker than waiting for anything to respond)
[12:18] <Guest88415> bigithepi
[12:19] <BluesKaj> jimtendo-X540S, the encryptioon key could be stored in swap, which to me is like winning the lottery...what are the odds , but that's the reason...not a very likely scenario, but that's what the experts over at ##linux just expalined to me
[15:26] <pierre_> hy
[15:28] <pierre_> bien ou bien
[23:28] <user|24769> hi!
[23:29] <user|24769> how are you?
[23:29] <gorgen> hi.. i m  kubuntu user
[23:30] <gorgen> from sweden
[23:30] <user|24769> today i traing iinstall lubuntu for the first time! I think it is very powerfull solution for old netbook
[23:30] <user|24769> hi gorgen!
[23:30] <user|24769> I'm from Italy!
[23:30] <user|24769> *training
[23:31] <gorgen> i prefer xubuntu for old laptops,  like the mac interface look
[23:32] <gorgen> but lubuntu works fine to


[18:39] <peterKx> err, hi?
[18:40] <LjL> hi
[18:54] <peterKx> Is this a good place to ask a question?
[18:57] <m4v> depends on the question, if you need Ubuntu support, check #ubuntu
[18:58] <peterKx> ok, thanks


[07:28] <vanguarde9> Hello does anybody have experience with upstart and red hat based distros ? Is it posible to start automaticaly upstart service after start of systemV service , without addig any code (etc. initctl emit sometnig) into systemV script ?
[07:29] <vanguarde9> I mean for example Centos as Red Hat based linux distro
[15:51] <jgornick> Hey guys, I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 and for some reason, I can't get initctl to recognize my job conf file I've created in /etc/init. Thoughts?
[15:52] <xnox> jgornick:  init-checkconf /etc/init/myjob.conf ?
[15:53] <xnox> does that say anything useful?
[15:53] <jgornick> xnox: ERROR: failed to ask Upstart to check conf file
[15:54] <jgornick> xnox: sudo?
[15:54] <jgornick> Nope :)
[15:55] <jodh> jgornick: are you running at the console? If so, you'll need to start a dbus-daemon for init-checkconf to work.
[15:56] <jodh> jgornick: dbus autostart changed its behaviour. newer init-checkconf versions handle this.
[15:56] <jgornick> jodh: Yes, it's a headless server. How do I start the dbus-daemon?
[15:56] <jgornick> jodh: To be specific it's the 12.04 Amazone AMI.
[15:56] <jgornick> s/Amazone/Amazon
[15:56] <jodh> jgornick:  eval `dbus-launch --sh-syntax`
[15:57] <jgornick> The program 'dbus-launch' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install dbus-x11
[15:57] <jgornick> Shall I do that?
[15:57] <jodh> jgornick: if you are able to. if not, just pastebin your job so we can see it
[15:57] <jodh> jgornick: ... or copy the job to a desktop system and run init-checkconf there of course :)
[15:58] <jgornick> jodh: I'll get a copy of the conf file.
[16:09] <jgornick> jodh: https://gist.github.com/jgornick/32e8e17c75d64cbacc37
[16:13] <jodh> jgornick: the job is valid. I wonder if /etc is on some sort of overlay filesystem maybe?
[16:15] <jgornick> jodh: I can't imagine. It is the basic Ubuntu 12.04 Server instance offered from Amazon with official support from Canonical.
[16:16] <jodh> jgornick: 'mount|grep overlay' ?
[16:16] <jgornick> Nothing echo'd/
[16:21] <jodh> jgornick: hmm. when you say initctl does not recognise the job, what do you mean exactly?
[16:22] <jgornick> jodh: sudo initctl status bulkqr initctl: Unknown job: bulkqr
[16:22] <jgornick> jodh: That's after I do a sudo initctl reload-configuration
[16:22] <jgornick> Just to make sure it's loading in the conf file.
[16:24] <jodh> jgornick: try "sudo initctl log-priority debug; touch /etc/init/yourjob.conf" and look at dmesg / /var/log/syslog to see what upstart messages you get relating to that job.
[16:25] <jodh> jgornick: that'd be "sudo touch" :)
[16:26] <jgornick> jodh: We're getting somewhere: https://gist.github.com/jgornick/32e8e17c75d64cbacc37#file-gistfile2-txt
[16:34] <jodh> jgornick: odd. it's complaining about line 24 and the file only has 23 lines. Have you got some stray extended characters in that job file maybe? \r rather than \n? if not, try commenting out each stanza/block and seeing where the problem lies.
[16:37] <jgornick> jodh: That was it.
[16:37] <jgornick> jodh: Some bad character or whatever. Probably a copy paste through terminal that made it happen.
[16:38] <jgornick> jodh: Thanks for helping debug that.