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[07:23] <pitti> slangasek, cyphermox: yes; the comment was something like "version already exists in yakkety, so building that in t/x won't work"
[07:25] <pitti> uploading to t and copy-package'ing forward would technically work, as it doesn't depend on any libraries, so no potential for ABI change (although it would still not actually be the result that you get when building yourself in that release)
[08:11] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, I seriously think the infra has some issues
[08:11] <LocutusOfBorg> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libs/libsearch-xapian-perl/zesty/amd64
[08:11] <LocutusOfBorg> lots of perl packages are failing because of :bash: line 2: \: command not found
[08:11] <pitti> bash: line 2: \: command not found
[08:11] <LocutusOfBorg> and only on some architectures
[08:11] <pitti> yeah, there is some rogue package in -proposed which introduces that
[08:11] <pitti> I've seen it before, and with enabling all of proposed it always happens now
[08:12] <pitti> this didn't get tracked down yet
[08:12] <LocutusOfBorg> it doesn't happen on s390x
[08:12] <LocutusOfBorg> this is blocking xapian-core and diaspora with its ruby-* friends
[08:13] <LocutusOfBorg> ah also: can any archive admin please kick ruby-devise-async out? useless, removed in Debian yesterday IIRC, blocking ruby-devise
[08:13] <LocutusOfBorg> was used in gitlab, not anymore
[08:17] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: that log was a run with --all-proposed
[08:17] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: my first guess would be that it's actually http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#bash
[08:19] <LocutusOfBorg>     diff from 4.3-15ubuntu1 to 4.4-1ubuntu1 (3.3 MiB)
[08:19] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, ^^^
[08:27] <pitti> yep, can reproduce locally
[08:27] <pitti> it only seems to happen with the ssh runner, not with the lxd one
[08:27] <pitti> I'm doing process-removals (for ruby-devise-async and others), then will look at that
[08:34] <ginggs> pitti: would you also look at removing python-pandas and its rdeps on arm64, armhf, powerpc and s390x please? they were removed in Debian already
[08:35] <pitti> ginggs: eek, lots of rdepends; I prefer this to be a bug, with transitive rdepends analyzis
[08:35] <ginggs> pitti: ack
[08:40] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[09:49] <pitti> Laney, LocutusOfBorg: OMFG, got it; as usual, 1 hour of searching, the fix is to drop a single space from the code..
[09:50] <Laney> pitti: Yep, sounds about right /o\
[09:51] <Laney> from your code?
[09:51] <pitti> yes, in autopkgtest itself
[09:51] <Laney> is it a "this was always buggy" case?
[09:52] <pitti> yes, except that bash < 4.4 didn't seem to mind it
[09:52] <pitti> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git/commit/?id=3bee40471e51
[09:52] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, thanks
[09:52] <pitti> oh the joys of having to quote shell commands through fifty different layers and wrappers
[09:53] <pitti> rolled out
[09:53]  * Laney thinks of https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk/view/head:/live-build/auto/config#L60 often
[09:53] <LocutusOfBorg> so, will you kick a mass retry?
[09:54] <pitti> yep
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[09:54] <Laney> there is something beautiful about that
[09:54] <Laney> pitti: well done for finding that
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg> that was not easy to spot
[09:54] <pitti> an hour of breakign down the reproducer, wdiff, logging, set -x, and guesswork :)
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, it still doesn't explain why s390x was fine, but I don't want to know the answer
[09:55] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: it does
[09:55] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: it only affects the ssh runner, as that does that "printf %q" <shellcmd> for passing through ssh
[09:55] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: s390x and armhf use lxc (lxc-attach/lxc exec) which don't need that extra quoting
[09:55] <LocutusOfBorg> damn indeed
[09:55] <LocutusOfBorg> :/
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[09:57] <pitti> Laney: linux/i386 is still caught in an eternal retry loop; want to kill/filter/restart it, to get some practice?
[10:00] <Laney> pitti: what's an eternal retry loop?
[10:00] <Laney> you mean it's killing workers?
[10:00] <apw> pitti, is that still happening
[10:00] <apw> and only i386 i assume
[10:00] <pitti> Laney: the linux test keeps crashing the testbed's ssh, so that it's considered a tmpfail (ssh fails with 255) and being retried
[10:00] <pitti> yeah, I went through about three  rounds with cking about that, and amd64/ppc64el now seem fine
[10:01] <pitti> but i386 is still wreaking havoc
[10:01] <apw> pitti, remind me which series
[10:01] <cking> ugh, more testing breakage
[10:01] <Laney> the task is to get it out of the queue?
[10:01] <pitti> apw: ATM zesty (http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running#pkg-linux), but I've seen it for older releases too
[10:01] <Laney> how do you get in there before another worker picks it up?
[10:01] <pitti> apw: AFAIK the actual tests are in a separate git repo which is shared between releasees
[10:02] <pitti> Laney: I usually do this: (1) HUP all workers (gives you 5 minutes; if you need more, TERM them and run the maitnenance job afterwards)
[10:02] <pitti> Laney: (2) pkill -ef runner/autopkgtest.*linux.*i386
[10:02] <apw> pitti, yeah indeed they are, we should kill the test that is killing workers
[10:02] <pitti> Laney: (3) wait until pgrep -af runner/autopkgtest.*linux.*i386 settled down
[10:03] <pitti> Laney: (you might need to kill them a second time, no idea why)
[10:03] <pitti> Laney: (4) run filter-amqp on the queues
[10:03]  * Laney wants a filter-amqp --dry-run
[10:03] <pitti> Laney: go ahead, that's easy to do :)
[10:03] <pitti> Laney: I usually check the /running page after killing
[10:08] <Laney> pitti: ok, give me a few minutes
[10:18] <LocutusOfBorg> will ubuntu drop powerpc?
[10:22] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Don't know, ongoing discussion.
[10:25] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[10:40] <Laney> pitti: ok, I think I did it, want to check?
[10:41] <Laney> don't see it on /running anyway
[10:41] <pitti> Laney: only an amd64 running, nothing queued, LGTM
[10:41] <pitti> thanks!
[10:41] <pitti> Laney: if that happens more often, then I think a simpler thing to do would be to teach the workers about a "dynamic blacklsit"
[10:42] <pitti> Laney: kind of what we have in the worker config, but checked every time a queue item is received
[10:42] <pitti> /tmp/worker-blacklist or so; it would then just silently consume the item, and the whole filtering/HUPing would be unnecessary
[10:43] <pitti> Laney: but I was actually not doing that as I don't want to make it too easy and common :)
[10:46] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, did you already retry the tests?
[10:46] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: yes, the queue is full (see /running)
[10:47] <LocutusOfBorg> asking because I see some xapian-core sadness, many of them needs to be rekicked against proposed
[10:47] <LocutusOfBorg> ok thanks
[10:47] <pitti> yes, I did the first run without all-proposed
[10:47] <LocutusOfBorg> ah ok, this is why
[10:47] <LocutusOfBorg> I found some tests uselessly run
[10:47] <LocutusOfBorg> :D
[10:48] <pitti> well, I don't want to spend much time on figuring out which of these tests to run how
[10:49] <pitti> I'll just throw them all against the wall and see what sticks
[10:49] <Laney> pitti: It would be nice to be able to kill things from /running
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> yeah, makes sense sure
[10:49] <pitti> Laney: how do you mean? (other than the above "dynamic blacklist" and killing the autopkgtest process)
[10:50] <LocutusOfBorg> mythtv-frontend/amd64 unsatisfiable Depends: transcode
[10:50] <LocutusOfBorg> what should we do with this? mythtv didn't get rebuilt since a lot of tiime
[10:50] <cking> pitti, I'm going to try and reproduce and fix that i386 retry loop issue, I recall you informed me how you set up some VM to reproduce this for amd64 and I can't fnd those notes. Can you remind me what you did?
[10:51] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure how did somebody remove transcode from yakkety without noticing the break
[10:51] <LocutusOfBorg> doko ^^
[10:52] <pitti> cking: autopkgtest-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud  -r zesty -v -a i386
[10:53] <pitti> cking: (I haven't tried reproducing that yet)
[10:53] <Laney> pitti: Have the webapp $somehow deliver a message to the worker so that it kills its own autopkgtest and (optionally?) acks the request
[10:53] <Laney> /running could also ack queue items itself for queued things that you want to delete
[10:53] <pitti> Laney: oh, you mean kill it through the web UI
[10:53] <cking> pitti, thanks, that was enough info to grep across all my saved notes and I've found your instructions from last time :-)
[10:53] <Laney> yes
[10:53] <Laney> I mean reduce the # of actions that require admin intervention :)
[10:54] <pitti> Laney: that's what I meant with "don't make this too easy" -- aside from linux everytime it  happened it was an actual bug in autopkgtest or the infra
[10:55] <Laney> you could make it ubuntu-release only or so
[10:55] <Laney> it's still presumably going to block the package in most cases, so just unsticks the machinery
[10:56] <pitti> Laney: yeah; I don't object to it, I was just explaining why I never considered it myself
[10:56] <pitti> it happens rarely enough that ssh and pkill have been easier so far
[10:57] <Laney> nod
[10:57] <Laney> I have a desire to reduce the amount of admin work ;-)
[10:58] <xnox> pitti, we have identified that leveldb is stuffed in zesty-proposed (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thumbnailer/+bug/1640326 ) can the leveldb 1.19-2 be removed from zesty proposed? To unblock thumbnailer landings & boost transition?
[10:58] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1640326 in thumbnailer (Ubuntu) "FTBFS on zesty" [Critical,New]
[10:58]  * Laney sees the constant stream of pings
[10:58] <xnox> (also python-leveldb autopkgtests fail with it)
[10:58] <pitti> xnox: no objection
[10:59] <pitti> xnox: donen
[11:00] <xnox> danke schon!
[11:01] <pitti> gern :)
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[12:26] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, please run autopkgtest for libsearch-xapian-perl/<IP_ADDRESS>-1build1: amd64: Regression ♻ , i386: Regression ♻ , ppc64el: Regression ♻  against proposed
[12:26] <LocutusOfBorg> :) I waited and seems that this is needed
[12:27] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
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[14:05] <cyphermox> pitti: no worries, I was just curious and couldn't get the email. it's a copy with binairies though, since we obviously can't copy and build shim  ;)
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[16:55] <mapreri> umh, can anybody tell me why src:diffoscope is not getting autosynced?
[16:57] <Laney> not immediately
[16:59] <Laney> log doesn't say anything, LP knows about the upload, it's behind and doesn't have Ubuntu delta so no immediately obvious reason
[17:00] <Laney> oho: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/+junk/sync-blacklist/view/head:/sync-blacklist.txt#L510
[17:01] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg asked for that
[17:01] <cjwatson> suggest asking them when they plan to do the GHC transition
[17:03] <mapreri> I don't see why diffoscope would be anything interesting regarding ghc transition, expect depending on it
[17:03] <mapreri> cjwatson: can you remove it?
[17:04] <mapreri> it just depends on ghc to call it's disassembler, nothing versioned, etc.
[17:06] <mapreri> Laney: thank you for spotting; I'd have never though to look at the blacklist for this package ...
[17:07] <Laney> mapreri: You're welcome - that's one of the only other things I could think of that might affect syncing
[17:07] <Laney> I assumed it'd be in the log - it is, but only in verbose mode which we aren't running with.
[17:08] <cjwatson> mapreri: happy for somebody else to, I don't have time just now though
[17:08] <mapreri> ack
[17:08] <mapreri> if nobody picks it up i'll just come back another day
[17:08] <cjwatson> does look like I added it in error
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[18:35] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, please merge dpkg?
[18:36] <LocutusOfBorg> seems that it is injecting PIE on object files build, and making then build fail e.g. tsocks
[18:36] <LocutusOfBorg> ./Makefile:CFLAGS = -g -O2 -fdebug-prefix-map=/tsocks-1.8beta5+ds1=. -fPIE -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wall
[18:37] <LocutusOfBorg> that fPIE is not injected in Debian
[18:41] <doko> LocutusOfBorg, infinity: please don't yet enable that for armhf and arm64, if you are merging. need to get a test rebuild first for the Linaro toolchain
[18:41] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: clsparse ftbfs on ppc64el
[18:43] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, why is it injecting PIE and breaking stuff in amd64?
[18:44] <LocutusOfBorg> btw I don't understand clsparse failure, not happening in Debian
[18:44] <LocutusOfBorg> oh yeah, happening there too
[18:44] <LocutusOfBorg> meh, the maintainer will look at it, I sponsored 15 minutes ago a new package
[19:43] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: are you planning to start the ghc transition soon?
[20:25] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, even today if you want
[20:25] <LocutusOfBorg> I fixed llvm 3.7, and things are getting better
[20:25] <LocutusOfBorg> I just wanted some transitions to end before
[20:28]  * LocutusOfBorg syncs ghc
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[20:37] <LocutusOfBorg> well, I can't sync unless you remove the block
[20:38] <LocutusOfBorg> so, whenever you want
[20:38] <LocutusOfBorg> and when you do... please sync ghc from experimental
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[20:45] <sergiusens> tjaalton or slangasek mind letting snapcraft 2.22.1.* into xenial-proposed and yakkety-proposed to get some weekend testing going?
[21:28] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: tell you what, I've temporarily arranged for it to be blacklisted but only from auto-sync - you can sync it manually now
[21:28] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: but I haven't synced ghc, would rather you do that and take responsibility for it :)
[21:29] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: this way hopefully you can get through some of the transition without auto-sync scribbling over your work
[21:35] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks, makes sense
[21:35] <LocutusOfBorg> so I can sync them all in the correct order
[21:37] <LocutusOfBorg> I did it :)
[21:38] <cjwatson> cheers
[21:41]  * LocutusOfBorg fingers crossed and thanks
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[11:44] <brousch> I was thinking of buying one of these http://www.fsf.org/news/ryf-certification-thinkpenguin-usb-with-atheros-chip
[11:44] <brousch> But it's $54
[12:01] <snap-l> The source code reviewed as part of our certification process for this product includes the open-ath9k-htc-firmware and the Linux-libre 3.9 kernel.
[12:01] <snap-l> What is this Linux-libre thing?
[12:01] <snap-l> And does this mean that Nacho Libre is also FSF-monickered?
[12:03] <snap-l> Ah, OK. I see what this is
[12:03] <snap-l> It's Linux with the non-free bits removed
[12:03] <snap-l> Excellent branding.
[12:05] <snap-l> brousch: Honestly, $54 for no-hassle wireless is a-ok in my book
[12:08] <brousch> I don't know. I could buy five random adapters for $10  each and 4 of them will work
[12:08] <rick_h_> gotta support the freedom lovers
[12:11] <snap-l> brousch: Why do you hate freedom?
[12:11] <brousch> It's too expensive
[12:11] <snap-l> Please show me on the doll where freedom touched you.
[12:11] <brousch> I'm a free lover!
[12:12] <rick_h_> just not willing to support the extra work of freedom
[12:12] <rick_h_> lazy freedom :P
[12:17] <brousch> I thought freedom was free
[12:37] <rick_h_> heh yea...common misconception
[13:55] <ColonelPanic001> 'morning
[13:56] <ColonelPanic001> freedom is like happiness. You're not supposed to get it, just pursue it. Preferably with made-in-china magnets on your car.
[14:25] <rick_h_> so ummm, http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=42.70860&lon=-83.43970&zoom=10&type=terrain&units=english&tl.play=0&tl.spd=2&viewportstart=now-3623&viewportend=now-23&groupSevere=1&groupHurricane=1&groupFire=1&groupCamsPhotos=1&groupRealEstate=1&extremes=0&fault=0&femaflood=0&fire=0&firewfas=0&fissures=0&fronts=0&hurrevac=0&hur=0&lightning=0&livesurge=0&mm=0&ndfd=0&rad=1&rad.num=1&rad.spd=25&rad.opa=70&rad.type=00Q&rad.t
[14:26] <rick_h_> damn sneaky big links
[14:26] <rick_h_> lol, so that's probably why it provides a short link option http://wxug.us/13m28
[14:29] <ColonelPanic001> hm. I've seen this before, actually.
[14:29] <ColonelPanic001> I'm glad you mentioned it. I advise moving away from city centers and the white house. Aliens are about to float over and shoot down a big beam of kaboom.
[14:31] <ColonelPanic001> actually, that's a nice site. I usually go to weatherspark.com
[14:31] <ColonelPanic001> have to remember this one, too
[14:31] <ColonelPanic001> for just a radar display, think I might kind of prefer this one
[14:31] <rick_h_> I like the rss feed from here I use to keep up with things
[14:32] <rick_h_> and it adds local alerts to the rss feed which brought me to the radar
[14:32] <ColonelPanic001> damn, even plots lightning strikes? that's completely useless yet really cool
[14:32] <ColonelPanic001> for me anyway
[14:32] <ColonelPanic001> not like I'm going to dodge them
[14:33] <rick_h_> lol
[14:35] <ColonelPanic001> still interesting though, even says positive/negative, etc
[14:58] <snap-l> duplicity is really starting to get on my nerves
[14:59] <snap-l> seriously, this thing is designed for files that never change
[15:00] <snap-l> And gave obnam a try. Seems awesome, but has a critical flaw in 1.3, and the person with the Ubuntu PPA hasn't released the 1.4 version for 12.04
[15:05] <jcastro> I just use dropbox for everything
[15:05] <ColonelPanic001> another reminder to me that I have to get a box together for owncloud
[15:06] <rick_h_> jcastro: +1 though my rsync + nas ftw for full every single little dotfile I have
[15:06] <rick_h_> dropbox at 50G isn't big enough
[15:06] <rick_h_> and paying for more :/
[15:06] <rick_h_> but important can't live without and cool to have available on mobile tablets/etc dropbox ftw
[15:06] <jcastro> I have 100GB
[15:06] <jcastro> they do photos now
[15:07] <jcastro> and with picasa/g+ being a cluster it's a nobrainer to use dropbox for everything
[15:07] <rick_h_> yea, my /home/$me is 79GB atm
[15:07] <jcastro> I do keep an rsync'ed copy of my dropbox on my NAS as well
[15:07] <rick_h_> I went to picasa for photos. Just wish their android app did uploads/etc
[15:07] <jcastro> as well as an ISO mirror of course, heh
[15:07] <jcastro> they're dumb
[15:07] <jcastro> the G+ app will do uploads
[15:07] <jcastro> but then you have copies in both G+
[15:07] <rick_h_> sorry, not picasa, flickr
[15:07] <jcastro> which are synced back to picasa
[15:07] <rick_h_> went from picasa -> flickr
[15:08] <jcastro> it's a mess
[15:08] <rick_h_> right, picasa/etc ugh
[15:08] <jcastro> every time I'm like "you know, maybe I can replace dropbox with something else"
[15:08] <jcastro> they land a new feature
[15:09] <rick_h_> heh yea
[15:09] <rick_h_> <3 those guys (python woot)
[15:09] <jcastro> btsync is ok
[15:09] <jcastro> but I don't want to pay for an instance to keep things offsite
[15:09] <jcastro> so there's no advantages there for me mostly vs. dropbox
[15:10] <jcastro> https://www.copy.com/home/ is excellent too
[15:10] <jcastro> also has a native app
[15:11] <greg-g> wait, g+ app doesn't do photos?! that's... why do you all put up with that shit?
[15:11] <jcastro> it does do photos
[15:12] <greg-g> I mean, like, upload, you know, create/share
[15:12] <jcastro> it does
[15:13] <jcastro> but it's annoying
[15:13] <rick_h_> yea
[15:13] <jcastro> you can't just like "send this photo of this pic to my dad"
[15:13] <rick_h_> it's too G+
[15:13] <jcastro> it's like circles and all this crap
[15:13] <jcastro> wants to by default share on G+
[15:13] <jcastro> so you need to upload it
[15:13] <jcastro> then go into the browser
[15:13] <jcastro> open the pic
[15:13] <jcastro> then use your browser to get the URL
[15:14] <jcastro> because you can't direct navigate to it
[15:14] <jcastro> then you end up with this crap:
[15:14] <jcastro> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-NjSJNhcN-z4/UX6uOoq9RcI/AAAAAAABPvU/uHPJ8rx7CTM/w1260-h945/IMG_20130429_132733.jpg
[15:14] <jcastro> nice URL!
[15:14] <jcastro> and from there the only way you can share is to G+
[15:14] <jcastro> no email, no direct link, nothing.
[15:14] <jcastro> imgur basically does a way better job
[15:15] <jcastro> http://db.tt/NjWi8asC
[15:15] <jcastro> or I can just click in dropbox to get that ^^ done.
[15:16] <jcastro> which doesn't work apparently
[15:16] <greg-g> ohhh, I misread you guys
[15:16] <jcastro>  http://db.tt/XLKEEjVX
[15:16] <jcastro> ok does that work for you guys?
[15:16] <greg-g> yeah, google fails a lot of the time
[15:17] <jcastro> yeah they just fail worse than normal with photos
[15:17] <greg-g> jcastro: "creating album... this page will display your new album once its created"
[15:17] <jcastro> it's like, why are there 2 photo services
[15:17] <jcastro> greg-g: yeah, the dropbox stuff is beta, so it's a bit slow
[15:17]  * jcastro had to opt in and beg
[15:17] <greg-g> flickr "just effing works" for me
[15:18] <jcastro> I bailed on flickr when they made you move to a yahoo account
[15:18] <snap-l> OK, now that we've had this little detour to "cloud shit that doesn't make my backups work"... ;)
[15:18] <jcastro> and I didn't feel like being<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:18] <greg-g> jcastro: it's a fucking email that isn't displayed anywhere....
[15:19] <greg-g> that you don't have to use (you can set your primary email to whatever)
[15:20] <snap-l> Yeah, but it means I have to have a yahoo account. ;)
[15:20] <snap-l> regardless though...
[15:20] <greg-g> petty
[15:21] <greg-g> anyways
[15:21] <greg-g> :P
[15:21] <rick_h_> snap-l: flickr works sans yahoo account :P
[15:21] <rick_h_> https://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.intl=us&.lang=en-US&.partner=&.last=&.src=flickrsignin&.pd=flickrsignin_ver%3D0%26c%3DJvVF95K62e6PzdPu7MBv2V8-%26ivt%3D%26sg%3D&pkg=&stepid=&.done=https%3a//login.yahoo.com/config/validate%3f.src=flickrsignin%26.pc=8190%26.scrumb=0%26.pd=c%253DJvVF95K62e6PzdPu7MBv2V8-%26.intl=us%26.done=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.flickr.com%252Fsignin%252Fyahoo%252F%253Fredir%253D%25252Fphoto_grease_postlogi
[15:21] <snap-l> I'm still without my local backups because of two fails. ;)
[15:21] <greg-g> ok, and speaking of "oh so wonderful google" apparently you can't use any gdoc after a suspend, it freezes Fx
[15:22] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, but GOogle gets a pass
[15:22] <greg-g> why?
[15:22] <greg-g> they've already had their fair share of passes
[15:22] <greg-g> stockholm
[15:26] <snap-l> yeah, likely.
[15:28] <greg-g> sorry, apparently I'm annoyed this morning
[15:28] <greg-g> my excuse is that it's MY monday as I was sick at home yesterday
[15:29] <snap-l> Today is my monday too because of Penguicon and taking yesterday off to handle errands.
[15:29] <rick_h_> heh, you monday'ers
[15:29] <rick_h_> my project got pushed back again so I worked all weekend for nothing and found out middle of yesterday. So today I'm just happy.