[00:00] <redtape|renegade> mmm .. no luck there, then ..  :-D
[08:59] <Laney> I keep threatening to get a cat
[08:59] <Laney> but alas it's not allowed by my rental contract :(
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> Laney: threatening whom? cats everywhere? ;)
[08:59] <diplo> Can have 1 of the thousand that seem to be on my estate!
[08:59] <diplo> :)
[09:00] <Laney> I'd never threaten a cat ♥
[09:00] <Laney> we always had them when I lived with the parents
[09:00]  * Laney pines
[09:00]  * czajkowski gives Laney a saucer of milk
[09:00] <czajkowski> hush
[09:01] <Laney> meowwwww
[09:01] <diplo> I've not had another one since mine got cancer, live on my own now with kids and I just don't want that responsibility of sorting people when I go away etc
[09:01] <diplo> Think a few years and I'll get another pet
[09:02] <Laney> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/533584_10151224878152413_610833438_n.jpg
[09:02] <Laney> there he is
[09:03]  * JamesTait has six.
[09:04] <JamesTait> I am crazy cat man.
[09:04] <mungbean> my sis has 9
[09:04] <mungbean> never seen them all at once though
[09:04] <JamesTait> Does she want any more? :-P
[09:04] <mungbean> no but it doesn't stop her
[09:04] <mungbean> i.e no but yeah
[09:04] <JamesTait> I could spare 5 or so! :-D
[09:05] <mungbean> i think it is replacement for husband issues
[09:05] <dwatkins> My friend has about 20 pet rats.
[09:06] <directhex> our cat fell out of a first floor window last night
[09:06] <directhex> idiot cat
[09:06] <Myrtti> my sister's cat is humping his plush penguin.
[09:06] <mungbean> i bet the dog pushed it
[09:07]  * Myrtti shakes her head
[09:07] <brobostigon> lol
[09:09] <mungbean> was writing a gedit doc and i found that i had started a paragraph with "i"
[09:09] <mungbean> as if i'm writing in Vim
[09:11] <diplo> I do that a lot :D
[09:11] <mungbean> probably not many facebook users in here, but when i put my phone on airplane mode overnight, then in the morning, switch out of airplane mode, and run facebook, the entries are from 28 may
[09:11] <mungbean> and refershing doesn't fix it
[09:11] <mungbean> not delete data, reboot phone, remove cache
[09:11] <mungbean> app is up to date
[09:12] <diplo> I have odd issues like that occasionally, normally clearing data fixes it for me
[09:12] <mungbean> usually it does i tihnk
[09:13] <diplo> But sometimes it just seems to fix itself, haven't found the cause yet.. not that fussed really either :)
[09:13] <mungbean> never experienced it until i started airplane moding instead of power off at night
[09:13] <JamesTait> christel, your young man is too cute. ;)
[09:18] <diplo> Why do you use Airplane mode mungbean, to save battery ?
[09:18] <mungbean> diplo: yes, and its night time, don't want messages, but want waking up for the next baby feed
[09:19] <diplo> Those were the days :)
[09:19] <mungbean> so alarm, and nothing else
[09:19] <mungbean> no they are not the days :P
[09:19] <mungbean> the days are when baby is toddling
[09:19] <mungbean> :D
[09:20] <diplo> You'll say the opposite once they there :)
[09:20] <mungbean> nah
[09:20] <diplo> Oh you will :)
[09:21] <mungbean> i find it hard to relate to sweet little smiling baby
[09:21] <diplo> They get EVERYWHERE!!!!
[09:21] <mungbean> my boy is 3 1/2
[09:21] <diplo> Ah, thought you only had the one
[09:21] <mungbean> so much energy!
[09:21] <diplo> Mine are 5 and 6 now, I really miss baby days now, not the toddling part
[09:22] <mungbean> but...at 5 and 6 you can take them to museums and make lego/airfix with them :D
[09:23] <mungbean> not surprised about the toddling if you had a 2 and 3 yr old runinng around together
[09:23] <MooDoo> my son is 5 in sept and daughter is 2 in sept
[09:23] <MooDoo> glad it's only one party but their 18th and 21st is going to be a knightmare lol
[09:23] <mungbean> and girls grow up faster usually
[09:23] <mungbean> hence boy 16 and girl 13 will be hard
[09:23] <diplo> heh MooDoo, and mungbean I can take the older one, the younger one gets bored with everything very quickly
[09:24] <mungbean> i will have similar issue
[09:24] <MooDoo> luckily we have only 2 birthdays in our house lol
[09:25] <diplo> Blimey how old are we talking about kids :D
[09:25] <MooDoo> well i don't know about you but i'm 21 again :D
[09:26] <diplo> That would ne nice :)
[09:31] <mungbean> having kids is a great excuse to do things kids do
[09:31] <mungbean> people worry too much about what they shouldn't be seen doing
[09:32] <diplo> Oh I don't, I join the kids scooting down at the skateboard park, playing in the parks with them etc
[09:32] <diplo> :P
[09:33] <diplo> Anyone in here use imdbpy ?
[09:35] <christel> JamesTait: aw thanks! <3
[09:37] <diplo> Also, anyone use Amazon EC2 ?
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> diplo: I use Glacier, and tried a bit of S3, does that count?
[09:38] <mungbean> i use glacier too
[09:38] <mungbean> paid 11p this month
[09:39] <diplo> I just want to know if there is a console like on most VPS services I've used, it's looking like not ?
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I paid $2.30, yay lots of raw photos :)
[09:39] <directhex> ec2 isn't really a VPS service
[09:40] <directhex> if you use it as one, you're doing it wrong
[09:40] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: how many bearing in mind I have 500gb of photos ?
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> use bigv for that ;)
[09:42] <diplo> directhex: It's a friend who runs it on it
[09:42] <directhex> well, i await hearing how they lost all their data
[09:42] <diplo> Using the free server for a year setup I believe
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: 250GBish
[09:43] <diplo> Ah right, I know nothing.. I was actually saying why don't you use a proper VPS host, and he says cost
[09:43] <diplo> Whats the reasoning behind that comment directhex as I  know nothing about amazon services
[09:44] <directhex> diplo, the storage on your ec2 instance is ephemeral. if you spin down the vm to e.g. assign more ram, then all data is gone. you're meant to use s3 for data that matters, and have designed your webapp to basically reinstall from scratch when you create the vm.
[09:45] <directhex> ec2 isn't a vps host, it's an API for making VMs appear. your app needs to be designed for that API (spinning up & deleting VMs as demand requires, never needing persistent storage outside EBS), or you're missing the point
[09:47] <diplo> Cool thanks for that, just typed it verbatim to him, quoting you :)
[09:47] <diplo> Really must spend some time looking at it thought at some point
[09:49] <diplo> Ah right he uses EBS for storing the site/images etc, but looking to use S3 soon
[09:51] <directhex> basically, with ec2, ask yourself "if / partition was deleted, would i care?" - if the answer is yes, you should be on ec2
[09:51] <directhex> shouldn't
[09:51] <diplo> kk, ta for that, at least I understand it even if he won't listen :)
[09:52] <mungbean> MooDoo: flickr?
[09:52] <mungbean> 1tb of photos
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: doesn't store raw photos, only jpeg/other processed formats
[09:55] <MooDoo> mungbean: yeah don't like flickr, can't easily password protect photos/folders, i do use g+ but there isn't really apart from picassa an easy way to sync.
[09:56] <mungbean> can you make the flickr photos unpublic quite easily?
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> you can, but you can't easily share it with a small number of people
[09:56] <mungbean> with 1tb of photos i hope they have awesome photo mgmt
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> you have 5 options: Only yourself, you+friends, you+family, you+f+f, everyone
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> on g+/picasa you get to choose (by email address) who can see the photos
[10:02] <sjhh> what do software do you use to manage that on the server?
[10:49] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:49] <davmor2> popey: hows life on the fairly narrow stillness
[10:51] <popey> davmor2: very nice ☻
[10:52] <popey> we have a wifi network and a local irc server on the boat :D
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[10:52] <davmor2> popey: nice.
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> popey: so you don't have to talk face to face? ;)
[10:53] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: on something 5 feet wide :)
[10:53] <popey> not from the from to the back of the boat
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: exactly :)
[10:53] <popey> its 70 ft long
[10:54] <popey> right, back to the water.. ttfn
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: \o
[10:56] <brobostigon> three seems to have fixed there 12 hour data outage.
[10:56] <mungbean> irc server on boat lol
[10:56] <mungbean> raspberry pi?
[11:15] <davmor2> popey: on Ubuntu touch if you open the twitter app can you scroll down and see all your tweets for me on the galaxy nexus it is like a static page
[12:00] <dwatkins> I can't imagine how I could have ever thought that 4.5 GB was enough for a server's root disk.
[12:05] <diplo> heh, done that a few times.. lvm ?
[12:12] <dwatkins> diplo: sadly no, it's the hard-wired SSD inside my ASUS Eee 901; I'm just moving 3 GB of unused data out of /var/www ;)
[12:12] <dwatkins> (yes, I know, I should have made a separate partition for the website... ;) )
[12:12] <dwatkins> Disk Usage Analyser is pretty.
[12:12] <diplo> heh, quite helpful to when I remember to use it
[12:34] <dwatkins> That's better, I have 4 GB free now.
[12:34] <diplo> heh
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> How stable is saucy?
[12:57] <mgdm> if you leave it alone it mostly stays level, but if you move it around it'll go everywhere
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: ...
[12:59]  * MartijnVdS thinks of upgrading, because better haswell supports
[13:10] <directhex> mgdm, you can move sauce around fine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDlHGhKHIdM
[13:11] <mgdm> heh
[13:14] <mungbean> seems like every tabloid news site it's essential to have a sidebar of shame, pioneered by the dailymail
[13:14] <mgdm> It's referred to by our team as a 'cracknav'
[13:15] <mungbean> i accidentally clicked a sun.co.uk link
[13:15] <mungbean> more like the boob bar
[13:15] <dwatkins> for a moment I wondered what bars had to do with Sun Microsystems and why you weren't redirected to Oracle's website, mungbean...
[13:15] <directhex> if there are boobs, you know it's not the daily mail
[13:16] <directhex> the daily mail's bar only has semi-naked kids in it
[13:16] <mungbean> dailymail has bobos  but it lingerie, bikinis
[13:16] <mungbean> yeah
[13:16] <mungbean> i seem to be missing keys/words today
[13:17] <mgdm> 'bobos' is the best typo I've seen for a while
[13:17] <mungbean> don't the french calls them lolos ?
[13:19] <mungbean> waiting for docs.oracle.com :(
[13:19] <mungbean> oracle and IBM can't seem to make wbsites that work
[13:20] <directhex> mungbean, nor cisco
[13:21] <mgdm> anyone remember the day Cisco's site had a bug that removed any occurrence of the character 'e'?
[13:21] <mgdm> (well, I think it was 'e')
[13:21] <mgdm> even the HTML tags were rewritten to <had>Stuff gos hr</had>
[13:23] <mungbean> impressive
[13:23] <diplo> lol, never heard of that :)
[13:24] <diplo> mungbean: SAP ones are the same, sucky sucky
[13:24] <mgdm> Oh, it was 't'. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/25/cisco_website_snafu/
[13:26] <mungbean> somebody wants to deploy 7 web servers in prod for the lame helpdesk app
[13:27] <mgdm> wow. how many clients?
[13:27] <diddledan> 3
[13:28] <diddledan> :-p
[13:28] <mungbean> maybe 20000 students and 5000 staff
[13:28] <diddledan> so 3 concurrent, then
[13:28] <mungbean> but seriously how many of them actually login to the web site
[13:28] <mungbean> the DB servers will be melted first anyway
[13:29]  * mgdm looks
[13:29] <diplo> 7, blimey.. what is it ASP ?
[13:29] <mgdm> we have less than that for far more hits than that will get - though a lot of ours is cacheable, so we have Varnish in front
[13:30] <mungbean> its just the application team and numpties
[13:30] <mungbean> and/are
[13:30] <diddledan> make sure it comes out of their budget and not yours :-p
[13:34] <brobostigon> lets hope they dont read this, as it publicly logged being called called numpties.
[13:35] <mungbean> :D
[13:37] <mungbean> i'm connecting from a shared server
[13:37] <mungbean> could be one of 250 people
[13:37] <mungbean> besides, more people need to be called out when they are being numpties
[13:38] <diplo> +1
[13:38] <diplo> :)
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[13:39] <diddledan> I'm too often numptieish
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: Once you know you are one, you are no longer one.
[13:41] <brobostigon> yes, similer in concept to those that are stupid, dont realise they are, but if you can recognise such, you no longer are.
[13:42] <diddledan> still, at least I haven't lost the game yet
[13:42] <diddledan> :-p
[13:42] <diddledan> MUAHAHAHA
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: the only winning move is not to play
[13:43] <diddledan> indeed, but as I'd already lost, I figured ya'll needed to lose.. again
[13:43] <brobostigon> that happens with age, when we slowly become senile.
[13:45] <mungbean> my neighbour was telling me he'd gone for a test to see if he was getting alzheimers
[13:45] <mungbean> surely if you've got it , you don't know
[13:45] <mungbean> unless you just have it a little bit
[13:46] <brobostigon> good point, yes.
[14:18] <dwatkins> perhaps someone told him he'd forgotten something?
[14:20] <diddledan> I don't remember forgetting anything, ever
[14:21] <mungbean> he said he'd started forgetting names
[14:21] <mungbean> he's also building a terrible fence
[14:21] <mungbean> but i don't think its related
[14:21] <mungbean> he's knocked up a rickety ramshackle fence that will fall over on any gust of wind
[14:22] <mungbean> and is now adding various trestles that he's found on skips
[14:22] <mungbean> trellice
[14:23] <BigRedS> trellis :)
[14:23] <mungbean> where's dictionarybot when you need him
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> tralies!
[14:23] <mungbean> do i need a scan too?
[14:24] <BigRedS> Do people still make PCMCIA thingies? I want a 3G dongle, but it might as well not be sticking out of a USB socket when there's this otherwise useless void in my network
[14:24] <dwatkins> you can get handheld 3G devices (not just a phone, but a MyWi)
[14:25] <BigRedS> yeah, that sounds like the sort of thing I'd leave on a train or at home
[14:25] <BigRedS> I'm pretty bad at, well, things really
[14:25] <dwatkins> also, there are slots in some laptops for dedicated cards
[14:26] <dwatkins> some ASUS laptops use them
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: for 3G, get a wifi one
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: (mifi or similar)
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> it's not worth the driver hassle
[14:26] <dwatkins> I don't think there are PCMCIA 3G adapters which don't stick out of the slot, though.
[14:27] <dwatkins> so a Google image search for PCMCIA 3G tells me ;)
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> my laptop has a built-in mini PCI-Express 3G card
[14:27] <dwatkins> yeah, that's the badger
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> but it has bad reception compared to the mifi.. and bad speed (onloy 7.2Mbit, mifi gets 28 :))
[14:27] <dwatkins> I se my phone when I need internets on the go, but I have unlimited usage with Three.
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Huawei-E5331-Speed-21-1Mbps-Unlocked/dp/B00ARFVTKS
[14:29] <BigRedS> yeah, I've had a bit of a google and not come up with anything
[14:29] <BigRedS> I'd be pulling the SIM outof the phone each time so can't be inside the laptop
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: https://techship.se/products/huawei-em770w/
[14:30] <BigRedS> think I'll stick with usb/bt/wifi tethering
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: can't you set your phone to become an AP?
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Android can do that
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> (tethering)
[14:30] <BigRedS> yeah, but then I spend the rest of the day with a flat battery if I've forgotten my USB cable
[14:30] <BigRedS> which is the general case
[14:30] <BigRedS> I *think* bluetooth uses less power, but drops out more frequently
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> it's the 3G data that's the battery eater
[14:31] <BigRedS> yeah
[14:31] <mgdm> My phone lasts longer with wifi enabled for that reason
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: but the E5331 seems to be what you want
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: it's the size of a business card
[14:32] <BigRedS> ooh, and it's not that expensive
[14:32] <BigRedS> but I could get a load of USB cables for that money, too :)
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> I hav this one, in white: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Huawei-E586-21-6-Mbps-Mobile/dp/B005LDRP18
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> drove across England with it (and a Vodafone SIM), it worked great
[14:33] <BigRedS> are they ever carrier-locked?
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: some are, especially if they have a logo on them other than "Huawei"
[14:33] <BigRedS> ah right, so that's a thing to keep an eye out for
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: just search for "unlocked" :)
[14:33] <BigRedS> yeah
[14:34] <BigRedS> just wondered if it was a thing to bear in mind
[14:34] <BigRedS> and it is :)
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> Vodafone reception is not good near Land's End btw.. I guess it's the rocks and lack of population density :)
[14:34] <mungbean> moved my nationwide ISA to another nationwide ISA. get a lwetter to say "here's to notify you of closure of your ISA"
[14:34] <mungbean> ....and where's the ".....and your money is in the new ISA now!"
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: stolen by the mailman
[14:36] <diddledan> they eated your monies
[14:38] <mungbean> now i realised i have a halifax fixed rate one
[14:38] <mungbean> at 4.x %
[14:38] <mungbean> i could transfer into that instead
[14:38] <mungbean> i hate ISAs
[15:58] <czajkowski> christel: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22751415
[16:00] <christel> haha yeah i saw that!
[16:06] <czajkowski> it's rather cool
[16:18] <christel> i like the orange clothing!
[16:18] <christel> <3 bright colours
[16:58] <spazm> NIGGERS
[16:58] <spazm> HI ALL
[16:58] <mgdm> !ops
[16:59] <spazm> NIGGERS
[16:59] <spazm> FUCK
[16:59] <diddledan> I don't get this slur against nigerians?
[16:59] <mgdm> ta DJones - wasn't sure if you had a highlight in ! ops
[16:59] <DJones> Yes I have
[17:00] <diddledan> \o/
[17:24] <diddledan> lol @ spam - aparently I can have a complimentary account at "iceland bingo" who are supposedly registered in gibraltar with a florida mailing address for "option out"
[17:25] <diddledan> they're gonna give me £5 to spend in _any_ iceland, however!
[17:25] <diddledan> they make the point that this is nationwide iceland stores!
[17:26] <diddledan> all I have to do to earn this £5 free is to spend £10 on their bingo
[17:26]  * diddledan counts on his fingers
[17:29] <diddledan> ooh, they also offer degrees? the email came from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:29] <diddledan> now that's a mouthfull
[18:01] <diddledan> what happened to triple-channel rams?
[18:02] <diddledan> seems none of the haswell mobos feature such a beast?
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> DDR3?
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> The CPU doesn't support it? Or the chipsets don't?
[18:04]  * MartijnVdS has http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4514
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> GA-Z87X-OC.. good thing I put the cover on my case, or I'd go blind from the orange bits
[18:05] <diddledan> no, not ddr3, but running three ddr3 modules independantly
[18:05] <diddledan> seems dual-channel is the order of the day these days
[18:06] <Myrtti> swimming in the lake ♥
[18:06] <diddledan> Myrtti: doesn't your tech get soggy?
[18:06] <Myrtti> I left it in the bag
[18:07] <Myrtti> on the beach
[18:07] <diddledan> aah
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> I have 2x 8GB 2133MHz DDR3
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: Not the lake near my house.. it's next to a golf course that was used to be an illegal toxic waste dump
[18:08] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: that'll be running in dual-channel mode, then, I would suspect
[18:09] <diddledan> and on the topic of toxic waste, we see that RadiumCat just joined
[18:09] <diddledan> wtf is wrong with the network right now?!
[18:09] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: yes
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: toxic waste, not nuclear waste
[18:10] <diddledan> ello pr0ph3t
[18:11] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: semantics
[18:11] <diddledan> :-p
[18:11] <pr0ph3t> IMHO the default lock screen window in ubuntu is fugly, I much prefer the gnome-shell default, but my point is: is there a way to change it and personalise it? Like themes or other?
[18:12] <pr0ph3t> I love personalising my ubuntu box and with unity, cursor themes and lock screen are a nightmare for me
[18:14] <pr0ph3t> changing cursor themes is also a nightmare, you always end up with a cursor theme on some parts of the screen and the default on others
[18:14] <pr0ph3t> that is the stuff of nightmares
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: some apps just use their own cursors..
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: also, how often do you see the lock screen anyway?
[18:20] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS I wish it was a matter of use or ease, but unortunately its just a hint of ocd on my side
[18:21] <pr0ph3t> cursor theme wise its not the apps, it just that it does not do it for me, even if I change it to one of the standard themes such as redglass, I still get it only in some parts of windows and not on others
[18:28] <MartijnV1S> what happened there
[18:28] <MartijnV1S> pr0ph3t: what's the last thing I said? :)
[18:28] <MartijnV1S> (before "what happened")
[18:29] <pr0ph3t> that I probably do not use lock screen much (true)
[18:30] <pr0ph3t> and that programs use different cursors anyways
[18:30] <MartijnV1S> pr0ph3t: sometimes you have to log out & back in for it to work everywhere I think
[18:30] <MartijnV1S> pr0ph3t: also, isn't it called "CDO" now? With the letters in proper alphabet order, AS THEY SHOULD BE?
[18:30] <MartijnV1S> something disconnected me.. half
[18:32] <pr0ph3t> MartijnV1S eheeh
[18:33] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS yes sometimes you need to log out and back in indeed. But it is not my case unfortunately. Right now text and resize are redglass XL, but the standard arrow is a DMZ-white one
[18:33] <pr0ph3t> *meow*
[18:36] <pr0ph3t> as much as it pains me to admit it with gnome-shell that does not happen, cursors are changed, that's it
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: *then* log out & back in
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: file a bug :)
[19:49] <daftykins> well well, an 'old' i3 samsung laptop that fails to boot to legacy mode, only EFI - how rude
[19:50] <MartijnV1S> daftykins: my bios has a setting for that
[19:50] <MartijnV1S> daftykins: boot efi/legacy/both
[19:50] <daftykins> MartijnV1S: yeah, doesn't matter what you set on this one :D
[19:50] <MartijnV1S> heh, ewps
[19:50] <daftykins> it just plain doesn't work :D
[19:51] <daftykins> just took this thing apart for a friends sister
[19:51] <daftykins> needs a new keyboard for £17.50 off ebay then it's fixed up \o/
[19:59] <mungbean> oil rush added to HIB8
[20:21] <mungbean> found something sticky and brown in my hair. hope its chocolate
[20:22] <brobostigon> lol.
[20:38] <mungbean> quiet in here. is it cos everyone is on a narrow boat this week?
[20:41]  * mgdm isn't
[20:41] <mgdm> if I was to be on a boat it'd have a big stick and some sheets poking out of the top, ideally
[20:41] <MartijnV1S> mgdm: so.. a ghost ship?
[20:42] <mgdm> hah
[20:42] <mgdm> well played
[20:43]  * MartijnV1S off to Zzz land
[20:43] <mgdm> cheerio
[20:44] <mungbean> i was hoping brian blessed would be the new dr who
[20:44] <mungbean> all bets are on some other fella though
[20:44] <MartijnV1S> mungbean: Rupert Grint?
[20:44] <mungbean> lol no
[20:44] <mungbean> go to bed :)
[20:45] <mungbean> although moss from IT crowd would be good
[20:45] <MartijnV1S> mungbean: Hugh Laurie?
[20:45] <MartijnV1S> we know he can play a doctor
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: other rumours are "Clara is actually a future doctor"
[20:47] <mungbean> they can make it up as they go along
[20:47] <mungbean> i do approve of the last 2 femal assistants and matt smith though


 If so you might want to answer Bug #107691 ;)
[03:16] <ubotu> Malone bug 107691 in mozilla-thunderbird "thunderbird 2.0 is out of the oven" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107691
[03:16] <gnomefreak> ty
[03:16] <hjmf> k )
[03:16] <hjmf> :)
[03:19] <gnomefreak> i didnt give repo yet because i might be upgrading it soon and dont want them to try and get it before hand
[03:22] <hjmf> when I have some time I have to test your builds, promised :)
[03:22] <hjmf> s/I/I'll/g
[03:24] <gnomefreak> :) take your time there is a problem with firefox<IP_ADDRESS> in my repos atm
[04:01] <IdleOne> gnomefreak, I did dist-upgrade and got an upgrade for firefox and firefox-gnome-support or something like that but now my IceApe wont startup :/
[04:01] <gnomefreak> ideinstall libnspr4-0d
[04:01] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: install ^^^
[04:02] <IdleOne> ok
[04:02] <gnomefreak> iceape hasnt changed here
[04:03] <IdleOne> btw when we going to stop getting the untrusted package warnings?
[04:03] <gnomefreak> the problem with firefox atm is its not grabbing that package as a depend and it should. but since the new packaging of firefox its a bit different than adding a depend
[04:03] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: nothing atm
[04:03] <gnomefreak> that will hopfully be fixed shortly
[04:03] <gnomefreak> shortly == 2 weeks or so
[04:04] <IdleOne> ok cool. I know you are working hard on this and it isnt easy. thanks for the hard work you guys do
[04:05] <IdleOne> btw thanks for the hint on libnspr4-0d fixed my iceape issue
[04:05] <gnomefreak> yw. i would like to get firefox fixed thunderbid updated and gutsy chroot and repo open than ill worry about key ;)
[05:28] <gnomefreak> asac: firefox still doesnt grab libnspr-0d and we need to make mozilla-thunderbird upgrade to thunderbird as it doesnt do it now.
[05:29] <asac> damn this upgrade costed my about half the day
[05:29] <gnomefreak> im not saying today (since i have alot of work to do on someones pc
[05:29] <gnomefreak> asac: it fudged system?
[05:29] <asac> what version has mozilla-thunderbird
[05:29] <asac> is there an epoch ?
[05:29] <asac> no ... network cards switched
[05:29] <asac> e.g. what was eth0 because eth1
[05:29] <gnomefreak> ah
[05:29] <asac> and other way around
[05:30] <gnomefreak> that can burn up hours
[05:30] <asac> then there was some wierd thing about setting broadcast address in interfaces
[05:30] <asac> destroying the routing
[05:30] <asac> problem was the system has no monitor
[05:30] <gnomefreak> mozilla-thunderbird in feisty <IP_ADDRESS> i think to the 1.99-rc1
[05:30] <gnomefreak> it depends on thunderbird but thunderbirdd wont be installed
[05:31] <asac> is there a typo somewhere?
[05:31] <gnomefreak> no
[05:31] <gnomefreak> not that i saw
[05:31] <asac> but you can install by hand (e.g. mozilla-thunderbird + thunderbird)
[05:31] <asac> ?
[05:31] <gnomefreak> i installed thunderbird by hand
[05:32] <gnomefreak> i can install mozilla-thunderbird
[05:32] <gnomefreak> by hand
[05:32] <asac> gnomefreak: there is no thunderbird
[05:32] <asac> in your archive
[05:32] <asac> ah sorry
[05:32] <asac> :)
[05:32] <gnomefreak> sure there is
[05:33] <asac> i have to do lots of clean ups ... will try to figure out
[05:33] <gnomefreak> when installing thunderbird The following packages will be REMOVED: language-support-en mozilla-thunderbird mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail mozilla-thunderbird-inspector mozilla-thunderbird-typeaheadfind thunderbird-locale-en-gb
[05:33] <asac> if i have a fix ... i will push to bzr
[05:33] <gnomefreak> ok
[05:33] <asac> yes
[05:33] <gnomefreak> take your time ill be out most of the day
[05:33] <asac> that is because of locales
[05:33] <asac> you won't upgrade automatically because of that
[05:33] <gnomefreak> ah might be
[05:33] <asac> so no problem
[05:33] <asac> as long as it upgrades in chroot when no locales are installed
[05:33] <asac> then good
[05:34] <gnomefreak> cool and i dont know the problem with firefox other than its not grabbing the needed package
[05:34] <asac> ok
[05:34] <asac> does it grab libnss3 ?
[05:34] <asac> or doesn't depend on any?
[05:34] <gnomefreak> not sure
[05:34] <gnomefreak> it depends on libnss3 so should grab it
[05:34] <gnomefreak> ^^ in control
[05:35] <gnomefreak> but no mention of libnspr4-0d in control
[05:35] <gnomefreak> let me downgrade and try firefox without libnss
[05:35] <asac> hmm
[05:36] <asac> it has libnss3-0d
[05:36] <gnomefreak> thats why i was thinking of adding libnspr4-0d to depedns list
[05:37] <gnomefreak> its the quick fix if shlibs should grab it and its not (i couldnt find where that is defined on what shlib looks)
[05:37] <asac> yes
[05:37] <asac> i see the problem
[05:37] <asac> nspr needs an epoch
[05:37] <asac> add a 1: before the version of nspr in changelog
[05:37] <asac> i will create a branch for that
[05:38] <asac> debian hasn't this problem so they don't need the epoch
[05:38] <asac> hmmm
[05:38] <asac> bullshit
[05:38] <gnomefreak> for nss and nspr?
[05:39] <asac> gnomefreak: there should be a transitional package libnspr-dev
[05:39] <asac> produces
[05:39] <asac> produced
[05:39] <asac> when building nspr
[05:39] <asac> where is it?
[05:39] <asac> its not in your archive
[05:39] <gnomefreak> whats the name of it
[05:39] <asac> libnspr-dev
[05:39] <gnomefreak> thats not in repo?
[05:40] <asac> there are libnspr4-dev libnspr-dev
[05:40] <asac> latter is not in your repo
[05:40] <asac> at least apt-cache show doesn't show it
[05:40] <gnomefreak> it didnt build on
[05:40] <gnomefreak> one
[05:40] <gnomefreak> looking in the folder
[05:40] <gnomefreak> libnspr4-dev is only -dev file in there
[05:41] <gnomefreak> s/file/package
[05:41] <gnomefreak> nss didnt build one either (if that is a problem)
[05:42] <gnomefreak> control file doesnt list one (should it?)
[05:43] <asac> ok got yes
[05:43] <asac> right
[05:43] <asac> i am looking
[05:43] <asac> will take some time i guess
[05:43] <asac> have to do house cleaning now ... and then talk to customer
[05:44] <gnomefreak> thats file i have to go anyway
[05:44] <gnomefreak> s/file/fine
[05:44] <gnomefreak> ill cu later
[06:49] <asac> gnomefreak: what depends does firefox have on libnss3-0d ... which version is shown for you?
[06:50] <asac> there might be some confusion as there exist libnspr4-dev and libnss3-dev in universe
[06:50] <asac> those are from xulrunner and are version 1.8.xx
[06:50] <asac> you have to be sure that you build with your latest libs
[06:50] <asac> :
[06:50] <asac> its version 4.4.6 or something
[06:51] <asac> i will add a >= 4.0 to build-depends so it gets more safe ... but it should work if you build with 4.4
[07:45] <asac> hmm
[07:45] <asac> somehow libnss3-0d has not the libnspr4-0d dependency it should have
[08:21] <gnomefreak> build-deps are libnss3-dev, libnspr4-dev i will look at reg deps
[08:22] <gnomefreak> libnss3-0d (>= <IP_ADDRESS>) is it
[08:36] <asac> i found the bug
[08:37] <gnomefreak> ok
[08:45] <gnomefreak> oh adn thunderbird needs an icon
[08:45] <gnomefreak> guess i could see if they were included
[08:48] <asac> yeah
[08:48] <gnomefreak> easy enough :)
[08:49] <gnomefreak> i have some pretty cool mozilla icons that i like (thinks thunderbirds can be a bit different though)
[08:52] <gnomefreak> looks like its gonna be a week or so before i can build gutsy chroot
[09:09] <asac> ok
[09:09] <asac> pushing
[09:09] <asac> you need to respin everything :)
[09:09] <asac> first libnspr4
[09:09] <asac> then libnss
[09:10] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[09:10] <asac> you just need to update nspr from bzr
[09:11] <gnomefreak> those the only 2 for respin firefox and freinds too?
[09:12] <asac> right
[09:12] <asac> you are lucky
[09:12] <gnomefreak> :)
[09:12] <asac> just need to respin nspr and nss
[09:12] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[09:12] <asac> firefox already has libnss as dependency
[09:12] <asac> which will now pull in libnspr4-0d
[09:12] <gnomefreak> ok cool :)
[09:12] <asac> anyway ... eventually firefox should be respun ... but that can probably wait till next update
[09:13] <asac> gnomefreak: just do a bzr pull
[09:13] <gnomefreak> bzr merge?
[09:13] <asac> if you do merge you always would need to commit afterwards
[09:13] <gnomefreak> oh
[09:13] <asac> pull is better if you don't do checkins on your own
[09:14] <asac> it automatically commits stuff
[09:14] <asac> to your local branch
[09:15] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[09:16] <gnomefreak> no changes to nss?
[09:20] <asac> no
[09:20] <asac> problem is due to nspr only
[09:20] <gnomefreak> k
[09:21] <gnomefreak> no need to update-orig?
[09:23] <gnomefreak> its building
[09:23] <gnomefreak> ill have them uploaded my morning
[09:23] <gnomefreak> s/my/by
[09:24] <AlexLatchford> grr.. fucking openoffice
[09:25] <AlexLatchford> /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libspell680li.so: undefined symbol: _ZN8Hunspell5spellEPKc
[09:25] <AlexLatchford> need to roll back libhunspell..
[09:30] <gnomefreak> roll back i doubt but honestly OO.o is a bitch to build from what i hear
[09:30] <asac> hmmm our hunspell causing this?
[09:30] <asac> probably just a respin
[09:30] <asac> with new hunspell
[09:30] <asac> give it a try :-D
[09:30] <asac> takes a few hours i guess though
[09:30] <gnomefreak> of course ;)
[09:30] <gnomefreak> give me more than a few hours please
[09:31] <gnomefreak> shit
[09:31] <gnomefreak> nvm its all good
[09:31] <asac> gnomefreak: please push nspr and nss :)
[09:31] <asac> then i can finally spin
[09:31] <gnomefreak> asac: working on it
[09:31] <asac> :)
[09:31] <asac> good
[09:32] <asac> nspr version is already good
[09:32] <asac> no need to change changelog
[09:32] <asac> i already did that
[09:32] <asac> for mozillateam
[09:32] <gnomefreak> i saw that should i push nss to mt2?
[09:32] <AlexLatchford> hmm, you guys screwed my OOo.. *evils*
[09:32] <gnomefreak> hint testing repo
[09:32] <AlexLatchford> :P
[09:32] <gnomefreak> :)
[09:32] <AlexLatchford> yeah suppose
[09:33] <asac> no
[09:33] <AlexLatchford> I wasn;t aware that hunspell was used across, the lot.. but meh oh well
[09:33] <asac> why do you ask gnomefreak ... i just told "no need to change" ... :)
[09:33] <gnomefreak> i know :(
[09:33] <asac> :-P
[09:33] <gnomefreak> im doing like 15 things at once
[09:33] <asac> yeah ... multitasking
[09:34] <asac> AlexLatchford: previously all linked statically
[09:34] <AlexLatchford> There an easy to rollback linhunspell?
[09:34] <AlexLatchford> easy way*
[09:34] <gnomefreak> hmmmm nspr doesnt need libnspr4-dev to build
[09:35] <asac> AlexLatchford: is ther libhunspell somewhere in /usr/lib/openoffice/
[09:35] <asac> ?
[09:35] <asac> gnomefreak: hey ... makes sense, right?
[09:35] <asac> it produces it
[09:35] <gnomefreak> again nvm wrong chroot
[09:35] <asac> ok
[09:37] <AlexLatchford> Dont think so
[09:37] <AlexLatchford> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/6bb585843ef36dc0/455102af44fafff7?lnk=gst&q=%23416711&rnum=1#455102af44fafff7
[09:37] <AlexLatchford> Same error message I am receiving though
[09:38] <asac> interesting
[09:39] <asac> did we include inofficial hunspell?
[09:39] <asac> apparently
[09:39] <asac> AlexLatchford: you see what version is currently in archive?
[09:39] <AlexLatchford> 1.1.5.-6
[09:39] <asac> in feisty?
[09:39] <gnomefreak> 1.1.5-6 in my repo
[09:40] <AlexLatchford> yes
[09:40] <gnomefreak> 1.1.4-7
[09:40] <gnomefreak> in feisty repo
[09:40] <AlexLatchford> ah okay
[09:40] <asac> thats bad
[09:40] <AlexLatchford> So it is a Mozilla Specific bug
[09:40] <asac> we included an inoffical version and now debian maintainer did not bump library version
[09:40] <asac> thus it goes unseen
[09:40] <gnomefreak> it could be yes since they all need to be built on new hunspell
[09:41] <asac> AlexLatchford: nothing mozilla specific
[09:41] <AlexLatchford> Hmm okay..
[09:41] <asac> once libhunspell is synched to gutsy openoffice need a respin
[09:41] <AlexLatchford> So <IP_ADDRESS>-mt2 needs 1.1.5-6?
[09:41] <AlexLatchford> or 3.x?
[09:42] <asac> gnomefreak: did it fail to build with feisty hunspell?
[09:42] <asac> i guess it should build against 1.1.4 as well
[09:42] <gnomefreak> did what fail to build with fesitys?
[09:42] <asac> i wasn't aware that we shipped the inofficial build as official in feisty
[09:43] <gnomefreak> 1.1.4-7 == unofficial?
[09:43] <asac> gnomefreak: why did we build latest hunspell on our own? because there was a versioned build-depends right?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> yes i think so
[09:43] <asac> hmmm ... i guess we could build for latest feisty version as well
[09:43] <asac> which is not true for debian
[09:43] <asac> as it never had 1.1.4
[09:43] <gnomefreak> repo is going down for a few
[09:43] <asac> k
[09:46] <AlexLatchford> So is there a way tonight I can get my OOo back?
[09:47] <gnomefreak> install feistys version by using apt-get isntall hunspell=1.4... whatever it is
[09:47] <AlexLatchford> ta
[09:47] <gnomefreak> as soon as asac tells me what it is ill respin it if that will fix anything
[09:47] <AlexLatchford> :)
[09:47] <gnomefreak> im uploading nss stuff atm
[09:47] <AlexLatchford> (I really am like a Guinea pig)
[09:48] <AlexLatchford> Good Job bud :)
[09:48] <AlexLatchford> try it
[09:48] <AlexLatchford> after typing anything it should crash
[09:48] <gnomefreak> ty sorry for so many issues but we will get them worked out asap
[09:48] <AlexLatchford> no problems bud, I currently am not doing much else
[09:48] <AlexLatchford> may as well help test
[09:49] <gnomefreak> this huspell issue will be fixed in gutsy as everyone will be using same version
[09:49] <AlexLatchford> yeah sure
[09:49] <AlexLatchford> Was that version needed for the 2.x or 3.x line of firefox?
[09:50] <gnomefreak> 2.0 i think
[09:50] <asac> gnomefreak: either we should respin openoffice
[09:50] <gnomefreak> 3.0 should be on something else but would have to look in changelog
[09:50] <asac> or we should respin firefox with current feisty hunspell
[09:50] <asac> you choose :)
[09:50] <asac> i guess better respin with current feisty
[09:50] <asac> at least for feisty repo
[09:50] <gnomefreak> well that is screwed either way
[09:51] <gnomefreak> firefox in testing repo == built on hunspell (was whole point of adding it?)
[09:51] <gnomefreak> OO.o is a bitch
[09:52] <AlexLatchford> :)
[09:52] <gnomefreak> well no you added other stuff to ff in testing repo like patch system
[09:52] <gnomefreak> right?
[09:53] <gnomefreak> libhunspell-1.1-0 (>= 1.1.5-1)  not good
[09:53] <gnomefreak> thats iceape
[09:53] <gnomefreak> i would have to rebuild everything with feistys version
[09:53] <asac> yes ... thats the reason why
[09:53] <asac> you can use feisty version in there
[09:53] <asac> e.g. 1.1.4-someting
[09:53] <gnomefreak> yeah
[09:54] <asac> then remove hunspell from your archive
[09:54] <gnomefreak> just change control file i hope
[09:54] <asac> and respin ffox + iceape + tbird :)
[09:54] <asac> yes change control for iceape
[09:54] <asac> ffox should have unversioned dependency i guess
[09:54] <gnomefreak> can i unversion iceape adn tb?
[09:55] <asac> Build-Depends?
[09:55] <gnomefreak> although it doesnt matter
[09:55] <asac> no please use version that is currently in feisty as lower bound
[09:55] <gnomefreak> no depends
[09:55] <gnomefreak> ok
[09:55] <asac> don't do anything in depends
[09:56] <asac> there should be no reference in debian/control to hunspell ... except for build-depends, right?
[09:56] <gnomefreak> not looking right now but give me a minute ill let you know
[09:57] <gnomefreak> your right
[09:57] <asac> https://launchpad.net/~jonzep
[09:57] <asac> he is in mozillateam
[09:57] <gnomefreak> now people that use repo need to remove hunspell/install feistys version
[09:57] <asac> haven't seen anything from him
[09:57] <asac> but he has high karma
[09:58] <asac> yeah
[09:58] <asac> but thats not a problem
[10:00] <gnomefreak> ok ill rebuild everything and pull hunspell from repos?
[10:01] <gnomefreak> does that sound like best way?
[10:02] <gnomefreak> well i think its best this way as long as you agree
[10:04] <AlexLatchford> woops OOo fixed
[10:04] <AlexLatchford> (rolled back libhunspell)
[10:04] <AlexLatchford> woop even
[10:07] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: it will be fixed everything will depend on the version you now have installed
[10:08] <AlexLatchford> coolio
[10:09] <AlexLatchford> at least I still have the data
[10:09] <AlexLatchford> thought the file I was working on was corrupt
[10:09] <AlexLatchford> is a bit of coursework, 82 pages long thus far lol
[10:09] <gnomefreak> removed doing all the release shit now
[10:09] <AlexLatchford> cool cool
[10:09] <gnomefreak> will rebuild ff first
[10:10] <gnomefreak> hopfully will have atleast ff done tonight
[10:10] <AlexLatchford> man you are a work horse
[10:11] <AlexLatchford> if there is anything I can do, gimme a shout..
[10:11] <AlexLatchford> (I can usually follow instructions :))
[10:13] <gnomefreak> asac: repo should be up and ready for you. you had wanted nss and nspr for something
[10:15] <asac> yes
[10:15] <asac> i will spin all now
[10:16] <gnomefreak> ok
[10:16] <gnomefreak> im downgrading huspell to respin
[10:16] <asac> good
[10:16] <gnomefreak> im bumping mt versions on the packages up one
[10:17] <gnomefreak> ubuntu repos are slow as shit still
[10:20] <gnomefreak> libhunspell-dev (>= 1.1.4-7) is now depends on iceape
[10:24] <gnomefreak> than again there is a good change it wont be done tonight
[10:36] <gnomefreak> im gonna try 2 builds at once so to cut down on lag im gonna walk away from pc
[10:37] <gnomefreak> there iceape and ff <IP_ADDRESS> started to build
[10:38] <gnomefreak> cu
[10:40] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: btw no thunderbird doesnt touch your profile so everything stays. you may want to find icon in /usr/share/thunderbird/icons you should beable to copy one to /usr/share/pixmaps with sudo and use it :)
[10:40] <gnomefreak> you will need icon for launcher on panel if you use one. change command to launch to thunderbird
[10:41] <gnomefreak> and i have enigmail for it just not sure how to build from xpi (dont htink i can)
[10:42] <AlexLatchford> :)
[10:42] <AlexLatchford> I will give it a spin sometime tomorrow then
[10:42] <gnomefreak> yeah wait for me to rebuild it
[10:42] <gnomefreak> ill let you know when
[10:47] <gnomefreak> i would like to get the transition smoother if possible and maybe upgrade it to final release if asac thinks we can
[10:48] <gnomefreak> that would entail adding locales :(
[10:50] <gnomefreak> anyway im off for now i got both building
[11:11] <asac> gnomefreak: looks like you have messed up iceape build again
[11:11] <asac> you did not build orig.tar.gz
[11:11] <asac> diff.gz
[11:11] <gnomefreak> huh?
[11:11] <gnomefreak> sure i did
[11:12] <asac> ok i wait till it finishes
[11:12] <gnomefreak> im building mt6 atm but it paused at dpkg-source: building iceape using existing iceape_1.1.1.orig.tar.gz
[11:12] <gnomefreak> dpkg-source: building iceape in iceape_1.1.1-3.mt6.diff.gz
[11:12] <gnomefreak> for a while
[11:12] <asac> yes
[11:12] <asac> sorry
[11:13] <asac> its all fine
[11:13] <asac> its mt5 though
[11:13] <gnomefreak> yeah im running mt6 for the huspell change
[11:14] <asac> hmm ... but firefox is fine, right?
[11:14] <asac> then i will go ffox
[11:14] <asac> mt2
[11:14] <asac> and -trunk
[11:14] <gnomefreak> brb gonna restart irssi so i can get channels in order. i havent rebuilt trunk im re running firefox with old hunspall installed
[11:14] <gnomefreak> should i rebuild trunk?
[11:16] <gnomefreak> only things that have been done so fare have been rebuilt uploaded nss nspr and pulled hunspell out of repos
[11:16] <gnomefreak> far*
[11:16] <gnomefreak> brb
[11:22] <asac> no -trunk has not yet changed
[11:22] <gnomefreak> ok
[12:05] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: are all these in revision control, eg bzr branches?
[12:06] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: ther eis a branch for rc1
[12:06] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: Admiral_Chicago are either of you here?
[12:06] <AlexLatchford> Yep
[12:07] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: if you get time can you update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThunderbirdNewVersion for 2.0
[12:07] <ajmitch> if tb2 will use mozldap 6.x, it'd be better to use it in a separate package (which I've done)
[12:07] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: will add to the todo list
[12:07] <gnomefreak> ty
[12:08] <AlexLatchford> Added.
[12:08] <ajmitch> as well as svrcore, but I can't recall what else uses that
[12:09] <gnomefreak> i will talk to asac about it in morning, he makes final call on it.
[12:10] <gnomefreak> he should be sleeping if not should be soon (hint stop working late if you can)
[12:10] <gnomefreak> this will be my last late night for a while they are burning me out
[12:11] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: ty
[12:11] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: I will try to get to it over the weekend
[12:13] <asac> ajmitch: so you have mozldap source package ready?
[12:14] <asac> somewhere in bzr?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: when ever its not important i was asked about it though and it doesnt look like i will get to it this week
[12:14] <ajmitch> excluding minor things like debian/copyright & some useful descriptions, sure
[12:14] <ajmitch> not in bzr yet though it should be
[12:15] <ajmitch> not ITP'd yet, I really should get onto that as well
[12:16] <ajmitch> asac: would svrcore be useful as well?
[12:16] <asac> ajmitch: you/we need to fix thunderbird code as welll ... looks not like you can configure it to use system mozldap that easily
[12:16] <ajmitch> wonderful
[12:16] <ajmitch> at least mozldap uses pkg-config (borrowed from fedora)
[12:16] <asac> wonderful? thought its bad news :)
[12:17] <ajmitch> I'm sure it won't be hard ;)
[12:17] <asac> thats good news :)
[12:17] <asac> in mozilla configure in there is if test "$MOZ_LDAP_XPCOM"; then
[12:17] <asac> ...
[12:17] <asac> there is currently
[12:17] <asac> LDAP_LIBS='-L${DIST}/bin -L${DIST}/lib -lldap50 -llber50 -lprldap50'
[12:17] <asac> so if --with-system-ldap is given it should probably by
[12:18] <ajmitch> right, what version of thunderbird is that for?
[12:18] <asac> PKG_CHECK_MODULES(LDAP, ...
[12:18] <asac> 2.0
[12:18] <ajmitch> ah
[12:18] <ajmitch> so it's still using the old version
[12:18] <asac> is 6 from trunk?
[12:18] <ajmitch> I'd presume so
[12:18] <asac> apparently yes ... can you build ldap 5 same way?
[12:18] <ajmitch> it's a separate tarball now
[12:18] <ajmitch> it should be possible, if I can make them not conflict
[12:19] <asac> you can make libmozldap5-0 and libmozldap6-0 i guess
[12:20] <ajmitch> yes, there are some additional tools
[12:20] <asac> what packages do you squeze out of current source?
[12:21] <ajmitch> currently libmozldap6, libmozldap-bin & libmozldap-dev
[12:21] <asac> ok ... did you fix soname ?
[12:21] <ajmitch> followed SONAME pattern of libnss3, etc
[12:21] <asac> mozilla usually has no good soname
[12:21] <asac> yes ... libnss3 is bad
[12:21] <asac> we now use libnss3-0d
[12:21] <ajmitch> ah right
[12:21] <asac> since we do it proper :)
[12:21] <ajmitch> probably good to use libmozldap6-0d then
[12:22] <asac> yes
[12:22] <gnomefreak> more -0d packages :(
[12:22] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: more broken upstreams
[12:22] <asac> you think it might be worth naming the tools libmozldap6-bin ?
[12:22] <ajmitch> hm
[12:22] <asac> e.g. so we can have libmozldap5-bin installed at same time?
[12:22] <asac> -dev is good imo
[12:22] <ajmitch> currently I don't have the tools even included
[12:22] <asac> so what is in -bin ?
[12:22] <asac> still "the future" :)
[12:23] <ajmitch> seems to be, I shoudl have checked it further
[12:23] <asac> what tools are in there?
[12:23] <asac> .e.g what will be in there ;) ?
[12:24] <ajmitch> little things like ldapdelete, ldappasswd, ldapsearch
[12:25] <asac> ITP ... debian?
[12:25] <ajmitch> todo
[12:26] <asac> if you package mozilla stuff for debian please set maintainer to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and you as uploader
[12:26] <asac> we do so for everything that is new :)
[12:26] <ajmitch> ok
[12:26] <asac> and at best commit to svn.debian.org/pkg-mozilla ...
[12:27] <asac> your debian directory
[12:27] <ajmitch> which means I'd have to join the team
[12:27] <asac> look of what is in there atm
[12:27] <asac> sure
[12:27] <asac> if you need access just let me know
[12:27] <ajmitch> sigh, another team
[12:27] <ajmitch> heh, jordi is an admin
[12:27] <ajmitch> wonderful
[12:28] <ajmitch> he was my AM
[12:28] <asac> yeah ... jordi is not active though
[12:28] <asac> if you have something you want to commit, I will set you up
[12:28] <ajmitch> ok, I'll get this changed & ready
[12:28] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: going for DD?


[01:17] <KGB-0> gnome-characters ubuntu/kinetic bde881c Jeremy Bicha debian/ control control.in gbp.conf * Update Vcs fields * https://deb.li/v1Vv
[01:17] <KGB-0> gnome-characters ubuntu/kinetic 7afaf8b Jeremy Bicha debian/changelog * releasing package gnome-characters version 43.1-0ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3o3ln
[01:19] <KGB-0> glib ubuntu/kinetic 2d11478 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 6 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/S31e
[01:19] <KGB-0> glib ubuntu/kinetic c5ea285 Jeremy Bicha (102 files in 18 dirs) * Merge tag 'upstream/2.74.3' into ubuntu/kinetic * https://deb.li/3bCx0
[01:19] <KGB-0> glib ubuntu/kinetic d0ad21a Jeremy Bicha debian/changelog * New upstream release * https://deb.li/3gWNA
[01:19] <KGB-0> glib ubuntu/kinetic 4449290 Simon McVittie debian/patches/ (14 files in 2 dirs) * d/patches: Drop patches that were applied upstream * https://deb.li/ix1Pi
[01:19] <KGB-2> glib signed tags aa70aa2 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/2.74.3-0ubuntu1 * glib2.0 Debian release 2.74.3-0ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/eWnj
[01:19] <KGB-0> glib ubuntu/kinetic 0114771 Simon McVittie debian/ copyright gbp.conf rules watch * d/rules, d/watch, d/copyright: Bundle source for Unicode files * https://deb.li/k3v4
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[08:53] <seb128> goood morning IRC
[09:08] <ogra> heh, funny ... after i had the whole systray duplicated yesterday after unlocking my laptop, unlocking it today i could watch the duplicated systra disappear right after unlock ....
[11:13] <KGB-0> gdm tags 2258c14 Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/43.0-1ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/3ciTV
[11:14] <KGB-2> gdm ubuntu/master 2258c14 Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * releasing package gdm3 version 43.0-1ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/nsY1
[13:00] <jbicha> good morning
[13:02] <seb128> jbicha, hey, how are you?
[13:03] <jbicha> lissyx: I was confused earlier in the week: the xdg-desktop-portal fix landed in 20.04 and the Firefox issue I saw was on 20.04. I don't think anyone is working on backporting the x-d-p changes to 18.04
[13:03] <lissyx> ok
[13:03] <lissyx> it is still weird you hit the issue on 20.04, assuming you are running an updated version
[13:04] <lissyx> unfortunately, I dont remember precisely how I diagnoszed the issue (and it involved hacking and rebuilding the snap), and I dont have time for that right now :/
[13:09] <jbicha> seb128: I'm doing good. Going to try to decorate my Christmas tree this evening
[13:10] <seb128> great!
[19:38] <KGB-2> gnome-session Will Thompson 360503 * commented merge request !7 * https://deb.li/3SohI
[19:40] <KGB-2> gnome-session Will Thompson 360504 * commented merge request !7 * https://deb.li/NmiE
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[23:14] <KGB-2> gnome-software ubuntu/master 724ad91 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 38 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3OS3F
[23:14] <KGB-2> gnome-software ubuntu/master 84b45b2 Milan Crha lib/gs-plugin-loader.c * gs-plugin-loader: Replace use of g_source_set_name_by_id() * https://deb.li/z7B7
[23:15] <KGB-2> gnome-software ubuntu/master 5aed638 Milan Crha lib/gs-plugin-loader.c * Merge branch 'backport-1550-source-crash-gnome-43' into 'gnome-43' * https://deb.li/3vYKd
[23:15] <KGB-2> gnome-software ubuntu/master 4986351 Balázs Meskó po/hu.po * Update Hungarian translation * https://deb.li/hYY2
[23:15] <KGB-2> gnome-software ubuntu/master 5bba540 Daniel Rusek po/cs.po * Update Czech translation * https://deb.li/3SiOC
[23:15] <KGB-2> gnome-software ubuntu/master 25e9795 Zurab Kargareteli po/ka.po * Update Georgian translation * https://deb.li/o5Th
[23:15] <KGB-2> gnome-software signed tags 7f5e5bc Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/43.2-1ubuntu1 * gnome-software Debian release 43.2-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/ig7Pc


 Any idea why psmanfm-qt is storing list of bookmarks?
 It is not in ~/.config/pcmanfm-qt
 Solved by https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/issues/1181#issuecomment-678627972
 hello, i like compton so i started it at an old laptop but now screen has a problem, how to disable it ?
 i would like to have an option like "disable compton" for command line :D
[18:40] <kc2bez[m]> @tbs61 `killall compton` should stop it for your current session. You will want to remove it from your autostart in the session settings too.


[11:43] <mdeslaur> how do I get jenkins to retry this: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/utopic-adt-click-apparmor/19/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/artifact/results/
[11:56] <xnox> mdeslaur: login with openid launchpad.
[11:56] <xnox> mdeslaur: go to top level of the job, click build now.
[11:57] <mdeslaur> xnox: I need to reach the private instance to do that, right?
[11:57] <xnox> mdeslaur: and as stgraber said, use private url.
[11:57] <xnox> mdeslaur: yeap.
[11:57] <stgraber> (said in person)
[11:57] <xnox> (out loud)
[11:57] <mdeslaur> hrm, I guess I'll have to set up the vpn at some point :P
[11:57] <xnox> ah =)
[11:58] <xnox> mdeslaur: i can click it for you.
[11:58] <mdeslaur> xnox: pleeze :)
[11:58] <xnox> mdeslaur: it's running on private
[11:58] <xnox> mdeslaur: i386 passed
[11:58] <mdeslaur> xnox: I'd offer you a maltese beer, but apparently it's not considered valid currency
[11:59] <mdeslaur> xnox: thanks
[11:59] <xnox> mdeslaur: is it meant to take 1h44min though?!
[11:59] <mdeslaur> xnox: uhm, probably not no
[11:59] <mdeslaur> kill it with fire
[12:00] <xnox> mdeslaur: build #20 killed, build #21 started
[12:00] <mdeslaur> xnox: thanks!


[14:46] <minimal> blackboxsw: just noticed the channel topic has the link to the 2022, not 2023, release schedule
[19:10] <meena> holmanb: that DHCP change.
[19:11] <meena> that's a pretty good approach.
[21:01] <blackboxsw> thx minima
[21:01] <blackboxsw> thx minimal
[21:25] <holmanb> meena: thanks :D
[21:26] <meena> doing a review rn
[21:27] <holmanb> meena: Perfect, thanks! I was going to ask for your input (esp on the bsd side of things).
[21:31] <holmanb> meena:  A side-effect of this change is that with manage_services changing to a class method it should be trivial replace the various service management calls (using subp directly) with cloudinit.distros.freebsd.manage_service() and likewise for other bsds (no need to instantiate the distro object for that call).
[21:32] <meena> i like that we're getting distro classes threaded they every where, and I'm not the one who has to do it
[21:32] <holmanb> heh, me too
[21:40] <holmanb> just noticed that pylint is unhappy - I'll have another commit incoming to fix that, but it should be pretty minor
[23:19] <holmanb> meena: thanks for the review
[23:20] <holmanb> meena: here is a sneak peak at a concoction I'm brewing, per your comments https://dpaste.org/Qxris
[23:29] <meena> Nice!