[02:17] <sain> I need help with upgrade from ubuntu 10.04
[02:18] <holstein> how so?
[02:18] <sain> #ubuntu
[02:18] <holstein> what are you running now?
[02:18] <holstein> karmic?
[02:18] <sain> Lucid
[02:18] <holstein> OH
[02:18] <holstein> gotcha
[02:19] <holstein> sain: are you familiar with synaptic?
[02:19] <sain> i want to get studio desktop studio on lucid
[02:20] <holstein>  yes
[02:20] <holstein> BUT, are you familiar with synaptic?
[02:20] <holstein> synaptic package manager?
[02:20] <holstein> OR do you use the software center
[02:20] <holstein> ?
[02:20] <sain> Yes i am. here is the thing though...
[02:21] <holstein> OK
[02:21] <holstein> in synaptci
[02:21] <holstein> synaptic*
[02:21] <holstein> just search ubuntustudio
[02:21] <holstein> and you'll see all the meta-packages
[02:21] <holstein> and you can read about them
[02:21] <holstein> ALSO
[02:21] <sain> I tried studio 10.04 but had networking problems
[02:21] <sain> Network manager wasn't installed by default
[02:21] <holstein> yup
[02:22] <sain> so i installed Ubuntu 10.04 and want to upgrade from there
[02:22] <holstein> ALSO read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[02:22] <holstein> and
[02:22] <holstein> OOPS
[02:22] <holstein> not that one
[02:22] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[02:22] <holstein> that one :)
[02:22] <holstein> and
[02:22] <holstein> !vanilla
[02:23] <holstein> sain: are you interested in audio or video?
[02:23] <holstein> or both?
[02:23] <sain> both.
[02:23] <sain> I fear i have same networking issues after upgrade
[02:24] <sain> so ..in the event that u get networking issues, is it possible to undo an upgrade?
[02:25] <sain> excuse my typos
[02:25] <holstein> no worries
[02:25] <holstein> well
[02:25] <holstein> this is just like adding software
[02:25] <holstein> you dont have to add it all
[02:25] <holstein> the themes and wheat-not
[02:25] <holstein> you dont HAVE to install any of it
[02:25] <holstein> if you just want the GIMP
[02:25] <holstein> just install the GIMP
[02:26] <sain> but i like the look and feel of studio
[02:26] <holstein> OK
[02:26] <holstein> IN THEORY
[02:26] <sain> i just want to get the desktop environment.
[02:26] <holstein> you can sudo apt-get auto-remove ubuntustudio-*whatever_meta_package
[02:26] <holstein> hmmm
[02:27] <holstein> sain: you might just want to search gnome-look
[02:27] <holstein> OR some other theme site
[02:27] <holstein> might be easier
[02:27] <holstein> just be sure you read about all those packages
[02:27] <holstein> i think you just want ubuntustudio-desktop
[02:27] <holstein> BUT im not sure
[02:27] <sain> thanks. and did you also experience network manager missing?
[02:28] <holstein> i just get the audio apps myself
[02:28] <holstein> sain: AFAIK
[02:28] <holstein> its not in there
[02:28] <holstein> because it can conflict with audio interfaces
[02:29] <sain> ohh
[02:30] <sain> then how do u get it if you dont have internet connection in the first place?
[02:30] <sain> IAW cant run synaptic
[02:38] <holstein> OK
[02:38] <holstein> sain: you see that other link?
[02:39] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[02:39] <sain> yes
[02:39] <holstein> in there is an explaination about how to use a CD as the repo
[02:39] <holstein> SO you can install from synaptic using the ubuntustudio DVD
[02:39] <holstein> in theory
[02:39]  * holstein has never tried it
[02:40] <holstein> ive just always had internet
[02:41] <sain> holstein: i forgot to mention that the install of Network manager from the DVD failed
[02:42] <sain> i kept getting errors saying to place studio dvd in rom. it was already there
[02:43] <holstein> yeah
[02:43] <sain> tried for 3 hours and gave up.
[02:43] <holstein> you are missing nm-applet
[02:43] <holstein> i bet
[02:43] <holstein> BUT im not sure
[02:45] <sain> I'm missing that too. network manger package was missing.
[02:45] <sain> I'll try installing studio desktop over Lucid and see what happens
[02:48] <sain> my only concern is in case i screw up, will i restore my original settings when i uninstall studio desktop?!
[02:53] <holstein> sain: in theory
[02:53] <holstein> you should onlly be getting themes
[02:53] <holstein> and wallpapers
[02:54] <holstein> and should be able to remove them no problem
[02:54] <sain> holstein: thanks
[04:07] <Xase> Hey anyone alive here?
[04:07] <holstein> Xase: whats up?
[04:08] <Xase> Well I am trying to set up a ubuntu studio guest in Vbox so I can test some of the products with out mucking up my current ubuntu install... but when I go to install guest additions, it says It cant build the kernel modules as it cant find the source.
[04:09] <holstein> hmm
[04:09] <holstein> Xase: why do you want guest additions?
[04:09] <Xase> Acidentally selected jackd realtime kernel at setup... dunno if that's the problem, and why it can't find it.
[04:09] <Xase> Full screen capabilities.
[04:09] <holstein> hmmm
[04:09] <Xase> 1024x768 kills me.
[04:10] <holstein> i havnet tried to get the guest additions installed in lucid
[04:10] <holstein> it would be the same as vanilla ubuntu
[04:10] <holstein> OR should be
[04:10] <holstein> AND
[04:10] <holstein> you just go to qjackctl
[04:10] <holstein> and you can uncheck the realtime option
[04:10] <holstein> hmmm
[04:10] <Xase> But doesn't it go to realtime kernel now... or is the realtime kernel default anyways?
[04:11] <holstein> Xase: you know much about jack?
[04:11] <holstein> Xase: RT kernel is not default
[04:11] <holstein> i would say only install it if you need it
[04:11] <holstein> you might be cool with the generic one
[04:11] <Xase> No. Not much really outside of knowing i've used it indirectly I believe.
[04:11] <Xase> I think I should be cool with generic... but it lists the rt kernel in my kernel sources directory under /usr/src/linux
[04:12] <Xase> That was the cause of my trepidation in working out a solution on my own.
[04:12] <holstein> what about uname -a ?
[04:12] <Xase> Booting up as we speak.
[04:15] <Xase> The gdm background is rather trippy. who designed it?
[04:15] <holstein> not sure
[04:15] <holstein> i've always really enjoyed the ubuntustudio art
[04:15] <Xase> Yeah me as well.
[04:15] <Xase> It's running Generic.
[04:16] <holstein> yea
[04:16] <holstein> h
[04:16] <holstein> SO
[04:16] <Xase> But it still reports unable to build kernels...
[04:16] <holstein> if you dont need it
[04:16] <holstein> you dont need it
[04:16] <holstein> you can just do sudo apt-get install linux-rt
[04:16] <holstein> if you need it
[04:16] <holstein> AND edit grub2
[04:16] <holstein> !grub2
[04:16] <Xase> Do I need more than the headers and build-essential to compile a kernel module?
[04:17] <holstein> hmmm
[04:17] <holstein> i wouldnt think so
[04:17] <holstein> BUT i usually just apt-get the whole package
[04:17] <holstein> and i havent built one on my own yet
[04:19] <Xase> Well I don't need to build one. Virtualbox Guest Additions install just needs to be able to build a module... perhaps a lack of DKMS or something or other?
[04:19] <holstein> im not sure
[04:19] <holstein> i tried in karmic
[04:19] <holstein> to get compiz going under virtualbox
[04:19] <holstein> in snow leopard
[04:20] <Xase> Snow Leopard?
[04:20] <holstein> and i gave up after a bit
[04:20] <Xase> Running Compiz?
[04:20] <holstein> OSX
[04:20] <Xase> Ah
[04:20] <Xase> Ok
[04:20] <Xase> Phew.
[04:20] <holstein> with lucid as a guest
[04:20] <holstein> running compiz
[04:20] <Xase> I thought someone finally accomplished a way to fully install a mac os x guest in vbox.
[04:20] <holstein> i did get the guest additions installed though
[04:21] <holstein> and i didnt do anything crazy
[04:21] <Xase> Hmm
[04:21] <holstein> i just ran the script
[04:21] <Xase> Well this eats chunks...
[04:21] <holstein> on the guest additions ISO
[04:21] <holstein> in xubuntu 9.10
[04:21] <holstein> and mint
[04:21] <holstein> i want to say that was jaunty based
[04:23] <holstein> are you getting an error when you run the script?
[04:23] <Xase> Yes
[04:23] <holstein> drag
[04:23] <holstein> can you try again
[04:23] <Xase> Did
[04:23] <holstein> and pastebin it?
[04:23] <Xase> Several times
[04:23] <Xase> Sure
[04:23] <holstein> the output?
[04:26] <Xase> ow.ly/1G64A I believe should get you there
[04:27] <holstein> http://pastebin.com/agM9Wac1
[04:27] <holstein> i think you should paste that in a normal support channel too
[04:27] <holstein> you got a LOCO?
[04:27] <holstein> where are you?
[04:27] <holstein> #ubuntu is a mess
[04:28] <Xase> I am US > Mass
[04:28] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
[04:28] <holstein> yup
[04:29] <holstein> #ubuntu-us-ma
[04:29] <holstein> AND
[04:30] <holstein> Xase: i think we need /var/log/vboxadd-install.log too
[04:31] <holstein> i bet this is a lucid support issue
[04:31] <holstein> in virtualbox
[04:31] <holstein> Xase: is this windows?
[04:31] <holstein> do you have the latest Vbox version?
[04:31] <holstein> lucid just went final thursday
[04:31] <Xase> kk
[04:32] <Xase> That is the install log.
[04:32] <Xase> Yeah
[09:52] <psidrum> my audio stopped working, when i try to play a music it says Failed to connect: Connection refused
[10:25] <narendra> HI everybody..
[10:26] <narendra> I want to ask the feedback on Big Live DVD and its disadvanges
[10:26] <narendra> may you give the your experience
[10:27] <narendra> I belongs to India, and we are preparing custom live DVD of Linux... I want to know what can be the disadvantages,,
[10:28] <narendra> how can i contact main developers and users ?
[10:30] <narendra> ?????????/
[11:07] <jussi> narendra: our DVD is not a live DVD.
[11:10] <narendra> Yes, I know,, but I am creating a Live DVD based on Live CD of ubuntu, this is going to distribute hundreds of students, now, I am asking for potential diadvantages
[11:11] <narendra> jussi, ..|
[11:11] <narendra> jussi, I am asking to share Or give feedback for this purpose based on ubuntu studio experience
[11:11] <jussi> narendra: large download size, need to have  dvd handy...
[11:11] <astraljava> narendra: I think he meant that you're asking in the wrong channel, try the plain Ubuntu devs.
[11:12] <astraljava> Oh, okay. Sorry I misunderstood.
[11:12] <narendra> astraljava, but I am was asking like having a BigDVD , how it will behave on 512Mb ram
[11:12] <narendra> astraljava, which most of the school have
[11:13] <narendra> astraljava, also, I am making a mannal for creating live usb... for for creating a live usb, I have to give then iso image inside DVD
[11:13] <astraljava> narendra: DVD versus CD doesn't matter there, it's all about how big a chunk needs to be loaded into the memory.
[11:14] <narendra> astraljava, See, my custom live DVD is having almost all packages which a student needs, and current size is 2.1GB and expected to grow upto 2.5GB
[11:14] <narendra> http://schoolos.org
[11:15] <astraljava> narendra: I'd expect a lot of swapping then, but again I'm not an expert on live systems, as we don't do that here.
[11:16] <narendra> astraljava, So booting from USB will fast,,
[11:16] <narendra> astraljava, what u think?
[11:16] <narendra> astraljava, but I afraid , school hardware will support usb booting or not....
[11:17] <astraljava> narendra: That's the tricky part, yes, most older hardware might not support that function.
[11:18] <astraljava> narendra: But I'm not sure how well a live system will work on 512MB RAM anyway. You might wanna ask for experiences from the measurements from the vanilla Ubuntu devs.
[11:19] <narendra> astraljava, where i can find them?
[11:19] <astraljava> narendra: To me it sounds like a problem. But what do I know.
[11:19] <Blank__> you can't pull off a liveCD environment with 512MB ram without it being very sluggish after only a few programs are opened
[11:20] <astraljava> narendra: You can ask for further pointers in #ubuntu-devel.
[11:20] <Blank__> i'm thinking in terms of a full gnome environment, though
[11:21] <narendra> astraljava, thanks,, asking -devel list
[11:21] <astraljava> Blank__: Well, from the aforementioned website: School OS is complete and fully functional operating system based on the Gnome window managers
[11:22] <Blank__> hmm... that would be a problem if RAM is in short supply
[11:23] <Blank__> for instance, this old laptop has 448MB ram and it was hopeless with gnome (on a proper install), so I ended up switching to XFCE then LXDE
[11:23] <astraljava> Yeah, I can imagine so much of swapping, it's not even funny.
[11:24] <Blank__> i can run gimp and a few other things at once, but even under LXDE things get very slow
[11:25] <Blank__> i barely use firefox because of how much ram it uses
[11:28] <narendra> Blank__, Thanks for input,, I am looking for network install methods.. too
[12:17] <Blank__> good luck narendra, glad to see people working on this sort of thing
[12:20] <narendra> Blank__, thanks, My only problem how to make the live DVD bootable on small ram like 512 MB ram  .....
[12:27] <psidrum> wineasio included in next ubuntustudio?
[12:27] <Blank__> narendra, it would probably require a lot of changes to the stock gnome desktop
[12:28] <narendra> Blank__, I am not intending for lot of changes, Intension is to install SchoolOS in all indian schools..
[12:29] <Blank__> narendra, things like stopping certain services from running... i don't know much about the workings of gnome sadly
[12:30] <narendra> Blank__, ok ,,  I got your point !
[12:30] <Blank__> narendra, were you intending on including openoffice?
[12:31] <narendra> Blank__, yes, visit http://schoolos.org
[12:32] <Blank__> narendra, that could be a problem... whenever i open up the word processor my system gets very slow
[12:34] <narendra> Blank__, case 1 - booting from live CD which has openoffice   case 2 - booting from live CD which has openoffice and openning it
[12:34] <narendra> Blank__, are both same things ?
[12:35] <narendra> Blank__, ln boot time and general speed
[12:35] <Blank__> there's no problem with having openoffice on the cd, but the system would get slower when opening it
[12:43] <Blank__> i just ran it on my other computer, which is much faster and better, and openoffice writer took up 15MB of memory, so it's probably not a problem, narendra
[12:45] <narendra> Blank__, ok
[12:46] <astraljava> 31179 jaska     20   0  173m  57m  43m S    0  2.9   0:01.30 soffice.bin
[12:46] <astraljava> Considerably more than 15MB.
[12:47] <astraljava> Resident is 57MB, 43MB shared.
[12:47] <astraljava> $ cat /etc/lsb-release: DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 9.04
[12:49] <mrAZ> hello, i have freezing ubuntu studio 10.04 installation with rt kernel. any issues known ?
[12:55] <astraljava> mrAZ: I'd suggest filing a bug about it, no issues known, thus no workarounds.
[13:00] <astraljava> mrAZ: Which version of linux-rt are you using?
[13:01] <mrAZ> 2.6.31-10-rt
[13:02] <mrAZ> there is message after grub menu : mounting none on /dev failed
[13:03] <mrAZ> then it boots, but after 5min or so freezes. i tried to not install any 2d/3d audio and video software - as minimal as possible
[13:06] <astraljava> mrAZ: Not sure what the status of rt kernel is at the moment, so like I said, file a bug and let's see what kind of commentary we get there from the dev.
[13:08] <mrAZ> i will try to write some diagnostic logging to see first what part of system cuses that. i am used to debian only, has ubuntu some special lastlog settings ?
[13:09] <astraljava> mrAZ: Not that I know of, but you could try asking from some devs about it.
[13:14] <Blank__> astraljava, i stand corrected... i wonder why it was so small on my other computer
[13:17] <astraljava> Blank__: What version of Ubuntu are you using? Maybe they have tweaked it for better performance.
[13:18] <Blank__> Ubuntu Studio 10.04 RC is what was on it at the time
[13:20] <mrAZ> which nvidia should i choose for geforce 9500 gt ? i suspect graphics to cause freezing.
[13:21] <astraljava> mrAZ: You mean the graphics driver? Have you tried nouveau?
[13:22] <mrAZ> i will try it
[15:30] <_pg_> does anyone use ubuntu studio and E?
[15:32] <jussi> _pg_: dont tempt me with such easy ones :P
[15:32] <jussi> _pg_: but I dont. do you have an issue you would like to ask about?
[15:33] <_pg_> jussi: just wondering if anyone does it, I have it going but have all kinds of silly problems. E is just so gorgeous...and everyone in #ubuntu hates E and everyone in #e hates ubuntu so progress is slow lol
[15:34] <jussi> hehe
[15:36] <astraljava> Just to clarify, we're talking about E17, right? ;)
[15:37] <_pg_> astraljava: yessir
[19:21] <RemunJ66> problem(s) upgrading to 10.04. No desktop, just black terminal screen :-\
[19:25] <astraljava> RemunJ66: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:29] <RemunJ66> sorry? i am sort of newbie to linux problems
[19:30] <RemunJ66> pastebin??
[19:30] <astraljava> !pastebin
[19:34] <RemunJ66> OK, but i can´t copy anything from a terminalsreen at my laptop to my desktop, or can i??
[19:38] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Networking still works, right?
[19:40] <RemunJ66> I may hope so, but network means desktop, shared folders, printer and laptop
[19:40] <RemunJ66> Just upgraded my laptop from 9.10 to 10.04 Ubuntu Studio LTS
[19:42] <RemunJ66> Can not access graphical desktop on my laptop
[19:44] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Are you machines in the same subnet? You could scp the file over to your desktop.
[19:45] <astraljava> RemunJ66: For that you need openssh-server installed on the desktop machine, of course.
[19:46] <astraljava> !pastebinit
[19:46] <RemunJ66> Shall try a clean install and will come back later, ok?
[19:47] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Might not fix the issue, if it's driver-related. :)
[19:47] <RemunJ66> ok astraljava, you have my attention
[19:48] <RemunJ66> How can i check if openssh-server is on my desktop and how futher?
[19:48] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Read the message from ubottu a few lines above, helps you pastebin the file from the laptop.
[19:50] <Dwel> when I installed and got a black terminal screen I typed startx
[19:50] <RemunJ66> pastebin: command not found
[19:51] <astraljava> RemunJ66: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[19:51] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Please read the instructions all the way.
[19:54] <RemunJ66> what instructions, i just installed pastebinit succesfully i may hope ;-)
[19:54] <astraljava> RemunJ66: I meant the ubottu message. :)
[19:58] <RemunJ66> can not read ubottu message, why?? Is it xchat gnome?
[19:58] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Nevermind. Now that you have pastebinit installed, do:
[19:59] <astraljava> $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[19:59] <RemunJ66> just typed ¨patebinit Xorg.0.log¨ at /var/log$ prompt, was that right to do?
[20:02] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Please read above your latest line.
[20:03] <RemunJ66> type mistake you mean? I typed pastebinit Xorg.0.log
[20:03] <astraljava> $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[20:26] <RemunJ66> http://pastbin.com/yfiYu2u2 shows my Xorg.0.log file
[20:27] <astraljava> RemunJ66: I'm sorry, but it's an empty page. Was there something wrong with the command I listed above, or did you not try it?
[20:31] <RemunJ66> http://pastebin.com/yfiYu2U2 shows it here, but i can download it for you?
[20:32] <astraljava> RemunJ66: No need, now I see it.
[20:36] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Hmm... seems to cut off in midst. What graphics card do you have?
[20:36] <RemunJ66> What is in one capital letter, is it :-)
[20:39] <RemunJ66> I will be back in about half an hour
[20:41] <astraljava> RemunJ66: I need to get some sleep before that, so I hope you get someone else to help you. Good luck!
[20:47] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Might wanna check out this page when you return: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1464239
[21:18] <RemunJ66> Thanx for your excellent help so far astraljava. I shall check the last link you mentioned.


[18:35] <IDWMaster> Hi. I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this; but is there an official Ubuntu App developer channel somewhere?
[18:36] <IDWMaster> OK
[18:36] <IDWMaster> Found it
[18:36] <IDWMaster> never mind


  HOW THE HELL DO I DO THAT?
[01:50] <Quintin> I mean... your topic has bit torrent mentioned... so why isn't it on the main wobsite?
[02:37] <aetherian> ...
[02:38] <aetherian> Quintin?
[02:38] <aetherian> you there?
[02:41] <BWMerlin> speaking of 64bit will Lubuntu be releasing a 64bit iso or do you still need to do the unbuntu net install and get the packages that way?
[02:41] <aetherian> I don't think lubuntu will ever be getting 64 bit, no
[02:43] <jmarsden> aetherian: Patience is a virtue... so is helping out the development team!  I have created 64bit Lubuntu ISOs... but they don't work yet :)
[02:43] <aetherian> then... what's the point
[02:43] <aetherian> "I just created an entire linux distro from the ground up today! however, it doesn't work yet."
[02:44] <jmarsden> aetherian: The point is that I or you or someone can fix them and get them to work, at which point they will be released...
[02:44] <jmarsden> If you have the time and skills to help work on this with me I'll gladly share my work so far with you.
[02:44] <Quintin> hey sorry
[02:44] <Quintin> I'm back
[02:45] <Quintin> well, my point is... give me wobsite control, and I will make it suck slightly less, heh
[02:45] <aetherian> well, the first thing I was going to say to you
[02:45] <aetherian> a protip, that is
[02:46] <aetherian> protip: don't continually blatantly take a joke from a webcomic
[02:46] <aetherian> :)
[02:46] <aetherian> it gets irritating
[02:47] <aetherian> I think I'm going to try getting 64 bit lubuntu via installing lubuntu-desktop onto a 64 bit server :)
[02:47] <jmarsden> Quintin: The Lubuntu wiki is editable by all, if you have constructive edits to make to that, go for it :)
[02:48] <aetherian> brb, reset of something (innernets)
[02:48] <Quintin> jmarsden: k, I'll take that into consideration.  the main site needs a download page still though
[02:48] <BWMerlin> idk if i want someone messing with a website when they can't spell website
[02:49] <Quintin> also.... is 256mb really accurate?  cause the OS kept shitting itself on a laptop I'm trying to put it on...
[02:49] <jmarsden> aetherian: You are far from the first to create a 64bit Lubuntu that way, it works.  See http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=1442 for a 5 month old description of doing things that way.
[02:49] <jmarsden> BWMerlin: We can  roll back any undesirable changes if necessary :)
[02:50] <Quintin> a couple times I could get to first page of installer , but then it just hung not doing anything.  and usually openbox gets killed cause of OOM.  machine is piii-m, 256mb
[02:51] <Quintin> so mebbeh recommended for regular installer should be 384mb or such?  I'm working on a sample size of one though I realize
[02:51] <jmarsden> Quintin: Yes, Lubuntu still runs in 256MB, at least for me.  I'm not sure if the live installer runs in 256MB, pick the second menu option when booting the CD, not the first.
[02:51] <BWMerlin> jmarsden: we do the same thing at work when the school kids get onto their class assigment wiki and start pasting links to redtube etc not thinking that we can see who made the changes and when
[02:51] <Quintin> jmarsden: yea I did option #2.. didn't work :/  got the alternate install CD donwloading now
[02:52] <Quintin> this is for my mom's laptop.  I'm considering having it boot directly to farmville...
[02:52] <Quintin> I put ubuntu on her bf's laptop, but it's sooooooooooooooo slooowwwwwww, so I'll probably try lubuntu on it too I guess
[02:52] <jmarsden> Quintin: Interesting (the non-install, not the Farmville-OS!) .  Does your machine use some of the 256MB for graphics RAM by any chance?
[02:53] <Quintin> hmmm unknown.  armada M700
[02:54] <jmarsden> Quintin: OK.  If the video on it uses "shared memory", it reduces the RAM available to the OS by however much it assigns to video... *that* can drop you down to maybe 240MB visible to the installer... which is probably too small to work.
[02:55] <Quintin> yea I'm aware.  what's best way to check that?  I'm going to look in BIOS
[02:55] <BWMerlin> bios is best way
[02:56] <jmarsden> Quintin: That, or boot a non-GUI Linux Live CD and type  free  and see how much RAM it thinks the machine has.
[02:57] <BWMerlin> i know lubuntu is aimed at lower resource computers but if i put it on a new system with 16gb ram, SSD, big GFX card and fast CPU it is still going to run fine or would i be better off finding another distro?
[02:57] <Quintin> nothing in the BIOS.  not very many BIOS options
[02:57] <Quintin> BWMerlin: why would it not run fine?  be just the same as anything else.   uber fast
[02:58] <BWMerlin> as it is geared for older and slowe it might not have features included that newer hardware uses
[02:58] <BWMerlin> and i am hoping for low resource and lots of speed
[02:58] <Quintin> huh?  that's all in the kernel
[02:59] <BWMerlin> ubuntu is bloat imo i just want an OS with a GUI and ill install that rest
[02:59] <BWMerlin> just because its in the kernal doesnt mean lubuntu included it
[02:59] <Quintin> start with a minimal install of ubuntu then, or use debian
[02:59] <BWMerlin> many years ago i my own kernal and forgot to include keyboard
[02:59] <Quintin> hardware support is pretty much entirely in the kernel
[03:01] <Quintin> and yea ubuntu lately does seem kind of crappy
[03:01] <Quintin> I mean it's shiny and whatnot, but there's over 200 processes running on a clean install!
[03:01] <aetherian> um, because I'm incompetent and can't look it up myself
[03:02] <aetherian> is there a minimal lxde deb package?
[03:02] <aetherian> lxde/lubuntu
[03:05] <jmarsden> aetherian: lubuntu-core I think?
[03:05] <aetherian> ooh cool
[03:05] <jmarsden> Make that lxde-core
[03:06] <aetherian> lubuntu-core exists
[03:06] <aetherian> I have to say, lxde>gnome even for good computers
[03:07] <aetherian> gnome is just so bloated
[03:20] <aetherian> well, ima do what I do before installing something like this
[03:20] <aetherian> VM time
[03:28] <aetherian> though I must say, ubuntu netbook looks like it would work well if integrated with touch screens'
[03:54] <uofm49426> strange small problem
[03:54] <Quintin> yay, just burnt alternate install cd
[03:54] <uofm49426> letter cut in firefox
[03:55] <uofm49426> and chromium
[03:56] <uofm49426> like letter t looks like a i the crass line is invisible
[03:57] <uofm49426> u at bottem the curve is missing
[03:58] <uofm49426> like some one took a eraser to it
[03:59] <uofm49426> most like search google i see it
[04:11] <uofm49426> i have snapshot you will see what i mean
[04:18] <aetherian> know what I think is funny?
[04:18] <aetherian> people running chrome in linux
[04:23] <uofm49426> lubuntu 10.10 its default but i kicked it  out replaced by firefox
[04:25] <jmarsden> aetherian: chrome => closed source, chromium (package name chromium-browser) => open source.  Yes, it would be odd to run chrome (closed source) in Ubuntu without a very good reason for doing so :)
[04:26] <uofm49426> when my harddrive comes i think im going to run mint lubuntu or fluxbox
[04:27] <uofm49426> im runing of a usb flash drive
[04:27] <uofm49426> im runing off a usb flash drive
[04:27] <aetherian> jmarsden: that was my point :)
[04:27] <aetherian> mint... lubuntu?
[04:27] <aetherian> wazzat?
[04:28] <jmarsden> aetherian: OK... then <uofm49426> lubuntu 10.10 its default      was confused, chrome is not included in Lubuntu, chromium is.
[04:28] <aetherian> wha
[04:28] <aetherian> I just made the comment without looking at anything
[04:28] <aetherian> :#
[04:29] <uofm49426> mint linux with lxde
[04:29] <aetherian> why mint o.o
[04:30] <uofm49426> built in codacs
[04:30] <uofm49426> dvd play back no added updates
[04:31] <uofm49426> built in flash plugins
[04:31] <aetherian> ugh
[04:31] <aetherian> gee
[04:31] <aetherian> "a hurr durr, how does I click the button to install the flash plugins"
[04:32] <uofm49426> plus had problem with ubuntu with kernel updates
[04:32] <aetherian> oh, ubuntu fails it
[04:32] <aetherian> lubuntu rocks
[04:33] <uofm49426> like i have a cheap rt8185
[04:33] <uofm49426> and when i get updates it dont update the module
[04:34] <uofm49426> mint dont update kernels
[04:35] <uofm49426> my brother writes for debian packages
[04:35] <jmarsden> uofm49426: You filed a bug report about this rt8185 module issue on launchpad, right?  Has it been fixed yet?
[04:36] <uofm49426> i did and i changed to mint
[04:36] <jmarsden> uofm49426: What is the bug number for it?
[04:41] <uofm49426> that my desktop dont remember
[04:41] <uofm49426> im in my laptop
[04:42] <jmarsden> OK, is your LP id uofm49426 , or something else, I can find it that way :)
[04:44] <uofm49426> i think so it was 10.04 were i had this problem
[04:44] <uofm49426> and that was when it first came out
[04:45] <jmarsden> The only bug submitted to LP by uofm49426 is:   384201 	application execution Errors
[04:51] <uofm49426> well maybe because my wifi wasnt working
[04:51] <uofm49426> i do remember modprobe rt8180 and falled not found
[04:53] <uofm49426> i may keep lubuntu on my laptop
[04:54] <uofm49426> i relize it old but is there some gl support still for i915
[04:54] <uofm49426> or should i find something older
[04:57] <jmarsden> There is supposed to be i915 KMS support in 2.6.38 kernels, but see https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31522 for a recently reported regression...
[04:59] <uofm49426> so should i consider the last lts
[04:59] <uofm49426> so should i consider the last Lts
[05:00] <jmarsden> Oh, 10.10 should be fine, latest 11.04 alphas may have the issue in that bug report.
[05:01] <uofm49426> i just notice its not 100% smooth
[05:02] <uofm49426> it a x41 thinkpad nontablet
[05:03] <uofm49426> next week i be at 1.5 gb ram for now 40 gb harddrive till ssd comes down
[05:04] <uofm49426> biggest problem only 16 mb vram
[05:05] <uofm49426> the tablet has 128
[05:08] <jmarsden> 16MB video ram should be plenty for 1024x768x24bit LCD display anyway... why is that a "big problem"?
[05:09] <uofm49426> well mostly that is windows problem
[05:10] <jmarsden> uofm49426: Easy answer to that, since we are in #lubuntu -- don't run Windows, run Lubuntu :)
[05:11] <uofm49426> well i do want to run mce to my xbox 360 and share music and videos i may have
[05:12] <uofm49426> it will be 8 to 10m gigs
[05:14] <head_victim> What's the easiest want to configure sound devices in Lubuntu? I swapped out my MB and everything else just worked, the sound never came back
[05:16] <uofm49426> can you tell me memory usage difference bettween lubuntu xubuntu ubuntu and kubuntu in basic use
[05:17] <jmarsden> Lubuntu tends to be a lot less than the others :)  But the way to find out is to try it, boot a LiveCD of each and see what happens on your hardware.
[05:18] <uofm49426> well cd is much slower the a hardrive i think i would use a flash drive
[05:19] <uofm49426> ok with nothing runing but desktop how much ram
[05:20] <jmarsden> I think around 180MB last time I looked.  But ... try it!
[05:24] <uofm49426> i just want a os as good as a 2005 2005 linux os would
[05:24] <uofm49426> you like new
[05:25] <uofm49426> you no like new
[05:25] <uofm49426> it was made in 2005
[07:00] <head_victim> I'm having problems with sound, it's reporting to me that it can't find the device. I have just swapped out the MB for another one. Is there a good way to get it to detect and load the drivers for the new card?
[08:39] <NRWlion> morning! can some1 tell me where the fonts are stored in linux?
[10:27] <shuttle> hello, im looking for a list where i can find all terminal-cmds for windowmanagment, like moving window to next desktop
[10:28] <shuttle> cant find in web
[10:29] <NRWlion> hallo shuttle
[10:30] <shuttle> hi
[10:31] <NRWlion> the requested information should be found in terminal itself by typing help
[10:31] <NRWlion> this brings up a list of all available cmds in terminal
[10:31] <shuttle> ok thx :)
[10:33] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going shuttle? NRWlion helping good I see? :)
[10:33] <NRWlion> MrChrisDruif, i am not that good as you but i try my best
[10:33] <NRWlion> ^^
[10:35] <shuttle> im fine thx
[10:35] <shuttle> setting up my linux
[10:35] <shuttle> or at less i try to
[10:37] <NRWlion> shuttle i have sent you two querry / pm with additional information (1 Link and 1 Book)
[10:40] <NRWlion> guten Morgen Johannes ;)
[10:45] <NRWlion> ok my homeoffice is waiting for me ... if i am needed, just ping me!
[10:53] <NRWlion> shuttle, if you need anything else, i am sure that MrChrisDruif will help you out
[10:54] <MrChrisDruif> When I'm around, I will do my best :)
[10:56] <NRWlion> MrChrisDruif, you are always "around" when you are not sleeping :p this is your second living room *hides*
[10:57]  * MrChrisDruif was wondering why his living room suddenly felt so big :P
[11:00]  * NRWlion does NOT write what he thinks right now :D
[17:10] <gootella> Anyone know how to *just* change the main menu color in LXDE?
[19:23] <ChaosZarth> excuse me, what do i have to do to get the keyboard sticky in lubuntu?
[19:35] <jmarsden> ChaosZarth: I think I just replied to your email about that on lxde-list
[19:41] <ChaosZarth> so can you give me a solution
[19:41] <ChaosZarth> jmarsden: can you help me?
[19:42] <jmarsden> well, I tried... did you read the email?
[19:42] <jmarsden> I am more of a commandline/server type person so I am not sure exactly which ~/.something file you need to use to put your xkbset command in to execute at login...
[19:43] <jmarsden> Can you put the options you need into /etc/default/console-setup or /etc/default/keyboard instead ?
[19:48] <ChaosZarth> sorry, missunderstood...but now i got it...i dont have a /etc/default/keyboard
[19:49] <jmarsden> I think that one is in Natty only.  Look at /etc/default/console-setup for the variables to do with the keyboard (all start with X) and see if one will take your options for the stickiness?
[19:50] <ChaosZarth> and i dont know what to insert in the /etc/default/console-setup
[19:50] <jmarsden> XKBOPTIONS="" might be the one to play with
[19:51] <ChaosZarth> btw, isnt it just for the console? i want to have it everywhere
[19:52] <jmarsden> They affect X keyboard usage too; if you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup and tell it you have a Spanish keyboard, or whatever, that will still affect X :)
[19:53] <jmarsden> I don't know much about the stickyness thing, I have used this for "unusual" keyboard hardware...
[19:53] <jmarsden> I am fairly sure X reads those variables related to the keyboard when it starts up.
[20:26] <ChaosZarth> well jmarsden, i did look in the internet but found no xkboptions that fit, also i have a problem to understand what is to insert, my english is not the very best
[20:28] <jmarsden> ChaosZarth: OK, so then what you need is a "run this whenever I log into LXDE" script, which can run your xkbset command.  There should be one, but I do not know what it is.


[06:06]  * Linden940 is away: bed time before another day of fun
[22:34]  * Linden940 is back (gone 16:28:06)


[00:00] <gsilva> Bah :\ Good luck bro :)
[00:00] <Nairolf21> ;)
[00:01] <Nairolf21> by the way, I've a sort of prototypes for parsing, it should be easier. Just need to work on it
[00:39] <Nairolf21> gsilva, are you here ?
[14:43] <gsilva> wxl, you around?
[14:43] <gsilva> Need help on R
[16:11]  * ahoneybun is around


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[15:59] <ahasenack> o/
[15:59] <nacc> o/
[15:59] <nacc> giving folks a few minutes
[16:00] <cpaelzer> o/
[16:01] <dpb1_> o/
[16:01] <rharper> o/
[16:01] <slashd> o/
[16:02] <nacc> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 16 16:02:17 2017 UTC.  The chair is nacc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:02] <nacc> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:02] <nacc> ACTION: rbasak to add maintainership info to mysql triage page
[16:03] <nacc> rbasak is not here, so i'll copy it forward for now
[16:03] <nacc> #action ACTION: rbasak to add maintainership info to mysql triage page
[16:03] <meetingology> ACTION: ACTION: rbasak to add maintainership info to mysql triage page
[16:03] <nacc> bah
[16:03] <powersj> o/ (sorry for being late)
[16:03] <nacc> CTION: nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)
[16:03] <nacc> carrying it over
[16:03] <nacc> #action nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)
[16:03] <meetingology> ACTION: nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)
[16:04] <nacc> #action nacc to write a server guide entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)
[16:04] <meetingology> ACTION: nacc to write a server guide entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)
[16:04] <nacc> ACTION: rharper to write a server guide entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init (carried over)
[16:04] <nacc> ACTION: rharper to write a release notes entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init (carried over)
[16:04] <rharper> carry for both
[16:04] <nacc> rharper: thanks
[16:04] <nacc> #action rharper to write a server guide entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init (carried over)
[16:04] <meetingology> ACTION: rharper to write a server guide entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init (carried over)
[16:04]  * rharper puts on the cone of shame
[16:04] <nacc> #action rharper to write a release notes entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init (carried over)
[16:04] <meetingology> ACTION: rharper to write a release notes entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init (carried over)
[16:05] <nacc> ACTION: teward to add release notes blurb for nginx (1.10.x -> 1.12.x) (carried over)
[16:06] <nacc> didn't see teward, will carry it over
[16:06] <nacc> #action teward to add release notes blurb for nginx (1.10.x -> 1.12.x) (carried over)
[16:06] <meetingology> ACTION: teward to add release notes blurb for nginx (1.10.x -> 1.12.x) (carried over)
[16:06] <nacc> ACTION dpb to look into a few open issues around automatic updates that were pointed out by the doc team
[16:07] <nacc> dpb1_: ?
[16:07] <ahasenack> what was that again?
[16:07] <dpb1_> yes, carry over
[16:07] <ahasenack> about esm?
[16:07] <nacc> dpb1_: thanks
[16:07] <dpb1_> ahasenack: no
[16:07] <nacc> #action dpb to look into a few open issues around automatic updates that were pointed out by the doc team
[16:07] <meetingology> ACTION: dpb to look into a few open issues around automatic updates that were pointed out by the doc team
[16:07] <dpb1_> there are a series of bugs in last weeks meeting
[16:07] <nacc> #info all action items carried forward (go team!)
[16:08] <nacc> #topic Artful Development
[16:08] <nacc> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule
[16:08] <nacc> anything to bring up generally for 17.10?
[16:08] <ahasenack> not from me
[16:08] <teward> a manual nginx merge will happen, from Debian Experimental, but from their now-superseded 1.12.0 packaging.  That's in the works, manual merges are painful
[16:08] <teward> other than that, nothing.
[16:09] <teward> (yes I am actually quite alive heh)
[16:09] <nacc> teward: thanks
[16:09] <nacc> #info manual nginx merge (teward) with Debian experimental will happen
[16:09] <nacc> #subtopic blueprints
[16:09] <teward> probably in the next week or two?  I dunno, depends on how busy my job is :P
[16:09] <nacc> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-aa-server-core
[16:10] <nacc> two MIRs filed for apache2 (nghttp2) and open-iscsi (open-isns)
[16:10] <nacc> #info two MIRs filed for apache2 (nghttp2) and open-iscsi (open-isns) (nacc)
[16:11] <nacc> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:11] <nacc> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:11] <nacc> django merge is waiting on testing from openstack and maas teams, but is queued (locally)
[16:12] <nacc> #info python-django merge is waiting on testing from openstack and maas teams, but is queued (locally) (nacc)
[16:12] <ahasenack> the ssh one has been there for quite a while
[16:12] <nacc> xnox is working that one, so probably fine :)
[16:12] <ahasenack> oh well, not nearly as long as the others, ok :)
[16:13] <nacc> i think we can move on
[16:13] <nacc> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs & SRU/Pending Uploads (slashd)
[16:13] <xnox> nacc, ?
[16:13] <slashd> STS bug: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24587628/
[16:13] <slashd> Addtional infos :
[16:13] <slashd> - I'm working on a ebtables bug (userspace). We, STS, made a fix, but it seems like ebtables is unmaintained upstream now. Nowadays all devel is happening in nft so I'll try to make the change commited/uploaded in Debian and then start the SRU.
[16:13] <nacc> xnox: oh some z bug (LP: #1686618) that is on the server qa report
[16:13] <slashd> #info SRU pending for : sssd, nfs-utils, qemu, ebtables
[16:13] <xnox> nacc, yeah, awaiting on upstream.
[16:14] <nacc> xnox: thanks
[16:14] <nacc> slashd: anything else to bring up?
[16:15] <slashd> nacc, no everything is under control
[16:15] <nacc> slashd: great, thank!
[16:15] <nacc> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-z-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:15] <nacc> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-x-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:15] <nacc> just for completeness
[16:15] <nacc> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (powersj)
[16:15] <nacc> #link https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/
[16:15] <powersj> howdy! I was out last week, so not much to reporter there.
[16:15] <nacc> powersj: fair enough! thanks :)
[16:16] <powersj> This week I am trying to close out two cloud-init merges around integration testing and unit test and build on centos
[16:16] <nacc> #info powersj out last week
[16:16] <nacc> powersj: ok to move on?
[16:16] <powersj> yep :) thx!
[16:16] <nacc> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)
[16:17] <nacc> sforshee: around?
[16:18] <nacc> #info no kernel update this week
[16:18] <nacc> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:18] <nacc> #link https://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/cfp/
[16:18] <nacc> nothing standing out
[16:19] <nacc> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:19] <nacc> Bug Squashing Day #4 is tmrw
[16:19] <nacc> I sent an email today
[16:19] <nacc> #info Ubuntu Server Bug Squashing Day #4 on May 17, 2017
[16:19] <nacc> anything else?
[16:19] <ahasenack> when does it start tomorrow?
[16:20] <nacc> ahasenack: all day :)
[16:20] <ahasenack> first come :)
[16:20] <nacc> ahasenack: so whenever any of us wakes up :)
[16:20] <ahasenack> ok
[16:20] <nacc> #topic Open Discussion
[16:21] <nacc> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:21] <nacc> smoser: you ok to chair next week?
[16:21] <nacc> #info Next meeting is May 23, 2017 1600, smoser to chair
[16:21] <nacc> #endmeeting
[16:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 16 16:21:51 2017 UTC.
[16:21] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-05-16-16.02.moin.txt
[16:21] <cpaelzer> thanks nacc
[16:21] <nacc> thanks everyone
[16:22] <rharper> thanks nacc
[16:22] <cpaelzer> sorry, didn't have anything reasonable for this week to add to any topic
[16:22] <nacc> not a problem
[16:22] <ahasenack> thanks nacc
[16:23] <powersj> thanks nacc
[16:23] <dpb1_> o/


[00:00] <asac> 802.1x?
[00:00] <[reed]> yes
[00:00] <asac> WPA-EAP?
[00:00] <[reed]> yes
[00:01] <asac> [reed]: but it asked your for secrets and stuff like that right?
[00:01] <[reed]> yes
[00:01] <asac> [reed]: is the connection in connection-editor?
[00:01] <asac> right mouse click -> connection editior
[00:02] <[reed]> +yes
[00:03] <asac> [reed]: how does it fail to connect?
[00:04] <[reed]> "association took too long"
[00:04] <[reed]> "disassociating by local choice (reason=3)"
[00:04] <asac> urgh
[00:05] <asac> i saw that today in the NM channel
[00:06] <asac> http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1629
[00:07] <asac> [reed]: look at the modinfo output of iwl4965
[00:08] <asac> disable_hw_scan is an option
[00:08] <asac> you could try to
[00:08] <asac> modprobe -r -v iwl4965
[00:08] <asac> and modprobe -v iwl4965 disable_hw_scan=1
[00:08] <asac> and see if thats better
[00:11] <asac> [reed]: you could also see how bad thing go when you boot the old hardy kernel :/
[00:12] <[reed]> that didn't work
[00:12] <[reed]> I was able to connect to another network
[00:12] <[reed]> that forces VPN use
[00:12] <[reed]> so, I used vpnc
[00:12] <[reed]> and got connected
[00:13] <[reed]> lame lame
[00:13] <[reed]> both my wired and wifi messed up
[00:13] <[reed]> :(
[00:13] <asac> hey
[00:13] <asac> i told you about the wired thing ;)
[00:13] <[reed]> I did `dmesg | grep "e1000"`
[00:13] <asac> wifi is a bug i have only remotely heard off
[00:13] <[reed]> but didn't see anything!
[00:13] <[reed]> :(
[00:13] <asac> damn
[00:14] <asac> and i didnt assume that you have EAP ;)
[00:14] <asac> [reed]: so at least vpnc works ;)
[00:14] <[reed]> yeah
[00:14] <[reed]> it's just slow
[00:14] <[reed]> :(
[00:14] <asac> [reed]: but configuration was not properly migrated you said right?
[00:14] <[reed]> correct
[00:14] <[reed]> nothing was migrated
[00:14] <[reed]> at all
[00:14] <[reed]> no wifi networks, no VPN
[00:14] <asac> [reed]: nothing?
[00:14] <[reed]> nothing
[00:15] <asac> [reed]: can you file a bug with that and put the output of gconftool-2 -R /system/networking there?
[00:15] <asac> or give me that output and i file a bug ;)
[00:15] <[reed]> run that as me or as root?
[00:15] <asac> [reed]: as you
[00:15] <asac> 0.6 settings where all user-session settings
[00:16] <asac> [reed]: you can now make system connections in 0.7 ... also configure static IPs and stuff like that
[00:16] <asac> in general a win
[00:16] <asac> of course the kernel is a show-stopper :/
[00:16] <asac> personally i wouldnt have released beta with e1000 disabled :/
[00:17] <[reed]> the gconftool-2 stuff shows me my info
[00:17] <[reed]> hardy info
[00:17] <asac> [reed]: yes. the old settings are at some path and the intrepid connections are under another halfd
[00:18] <asac> e.g /system/networking/connections... thats 0.7
[00:18] <asac> everything else is 0.6 and should have been moved to connections
[00:18] <asac> by the applet
[00:18] <asac> actually the applet is supposed to migrate things on every run
[00:18] <asac> so if you are struck by a bug, chances are good that they get migrated later
[00:18] <[reed]> ok, let me anonymize this
[00:19] <[reed]> too much personal stuff in this output :)
[00:19] <asac> there shouldnt be any secrets in it
[00:19] <asac>  yeah
[00:19] <asac> of course depends on the level of "privacy" one finds appropriate ;)
[00:20] <asac> but yeah. if you move around it can probably accumulate quite a lot of data ;)
[00:28] <asac> [reed]: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/258354
[00:28] <asac> maybe you got struck by that?
[00:28] <asac> (when nm-applet wasnt there)
[00:29] <[reed]> yeah
[00:29] <[reed]> possible
[00:32] <asac> [reed]: which exact package version are you using?
[00:32] <asac> COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l network-manager-applet
[00:32] <asac> COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l network-manager
[00:32] <asac> err
[00:33] <asac> COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l network-manager-gnome
[00:33] <asac> ;)
[00:33] <asac> not applet
[00:34] <[reed]> reed.pastebin.mozilla.org/546491
[01:03] <asac> [reed]: ok. updated the bug.
[05:11] <saivann> asac : I added a milestone for bug 153739 so it get to your attention
[05:14] <pwnguin> is it just me or did slashdot tank on rendering?
[07:12] <[reed]> asac: bug 277403 -- have you all not been backporting fixing?
[07:12] <[reed]> fixes*
[09:26] <armin76> bad asac
[14:44] <gnomefreak> asac: you around for a sec?
[14:44] <gnomefreak> i know your "off" today
[14:47] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ;)
[14:47] <asac> pub holiday :-D
[14:47] <asac> have to catch on so many things that i should really shutdown my system ;)
[14:47] <sebner> asac: somebody have to kick you ;)
[14:47] <sebner> *has
[14:47] <gnomefreak> asac: firefox last update slowed down
[14:48] <gnomefreak> ive noticed a small difference on att site but someone else just brought it up. but i need a translation
[14:48] <gnomefreak> wann gibts denn mal eine unvermurkste version davon, die nicht staendig
[14:48] <asac> sebner: lol ... yeah i need to kick myself to do my tax declaration for instance
[14:48] <gnomefreak> nur dumm abkackt?
[14:48] <gnomefreak> da funktioniert ja der mickeyschiss-indernett-explodierer ja noch besser
[14:48] <asac> otherwise i will end up in prison at some point :-D
[14:49] <asac> gnomefreak: thats a rant: means:
[14:49] <sebner> asac: well a good oportunity to be offline then :P
[14:49] <asac> will there ever be a version of this that works ;)
[14:49] <gnomefreak> damn i hate to send that through but i will
[14:49] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks
[14:50] <sebner> gnomefreak: denglish boy :P
[14:50] <asac> gnomefreak: no dont let that through
[14:50] <asac> if its a mailing list blog
[14:50] <asac> err message
[14:50] <asac> i mean we only accept english text
[14:50] <asac> if it gets through no problem ... but otherwise it should get trashed ;)
[14:51] <gnomefreak> asac: ok
[14:51] <asac> last sentence reads: "even the mickey-shit internet exploder is better than this crap" :)
[14:52] <sebner> IE with wine \o/
[15:05] <gnomefreak> i discarded it
[15:05] <gnomefreak> i need to figure out failure to build on 0.9 maybe this weekend
[15:06] <gnomefreak> im gone for a while
[15:58] <fta> http://www.alice-dsl.net/towolf/cairo/
[16:13] <jdstrand> fta: hi!
[16:14] <jdstrand> fta: can you tell me more about nss-fips in your seamonkey update?
[16:15] <jdstrand> this almost 632000 debdiff raised my eyebrows :)
[16:15] <jdstrand> 632000 line
[16:16] <fta> jdstrand, nss is unrelated, this is just a work-in-progress from asac, only living in my ppa. you can just ignore that, it has nothing to do with hardy or intrepid
[16:17] <fta> jdstrand, yes, i know the diff is huge. there are so many CVEs in there :P
[16:17] <jdstrand> fta: but you changed 80_security_build.patch to reger to it
[16:17] <jdstrand> fta: 95% (or more) is the nss-fips stuff
[16:17] <jdstrand> s/reger/refer/
[16:17] <fta> jdstrand, eh??
[16:18] <jdstrand> +       $(MAKE) -C $(topsrcdir)/security/nss-fips/lib $(DEFAULT_GMAKE_FLAGS) export
[16:18] <jdstrand> ...
[16:19] <fta> jdstrand, 80_security_build.patch is from debian, it is still valid. i just had to refresh it because one of the changes from upstream touched the context of this debian patch so it created a reject. nothing to worry about, this is regular packaging work
[16:19] <jdstrand> fta: I understand that, but the 'regular patching work' is now compiling nss-fips, which you told me to ignore, so I am confused
[16:20] <fta> hmm, let me have a closer look
[16:25] <fta> jdstrand, http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsblame.cgi?file=mozilla/security/manager/Makefile.in&rev=<IP_ADDRESS>
[16:26] <fta> this is mozilla bug 419030
[16:28] <jdstrand> okay... it just gives me pause to upload 600,000 lines of new code in a -security update
[16:28] <jdstrand> asac: ^^ can you comment?
[16:44] <fta> jdstrand, i guess the same code went into the security update of ff2
[16:45] <fta> this bug says fixed<IP_ADDRESS>, verified<IP_ADDRESS>, so we have it in firefox-2 >= <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:46] <fta> than in the latest thunderbird
[16:48] <jdstrand> fta: I'm not opposed to having it there, I just want to know what it is, and if compiling all that new code for (apparently) 1 bug is required
[16:49] <jdstrand> either way, I updated the bug report, so it's documented
[17:02] <fta> jdstrand, comments added
[17:09] <jdstrand> thanks
[17:13] <asac> jdstrand: nss?
[17:13] <asac> jdstrand: i will take care of that
[17:14] <asac> jdstrand: we have to push that through security .... or -updates
[17:14] <asac> 600k new code?
[17:14] <asac> sounds wrong
[17:14] <asac> nss doesnt even have that much code
[17:15] <jdstrand> asac: basically-- the debdiff is almost 632,000 lines, with the vast majority being new files in nss-fips
[17:16] <fta> just one thing, the nss sources are included, but we use system nss, so we don't build the one inside ff/tb/sm
[17:16] <fta> so it's in the debdiff but not used
[17:18] <fta> asac, i let you handle that, i have to go do some shopping, be back later
[17:19] <asac> jdstrand: what is this about? nss in gutsy?
[17:19] <jdstrand> fta, asac: that sounds fine, but with the changes in 80_security_build, I wasn't sure they weren't really being used
[17:19] <jdstrand> asac: the seamonkey update for hardy
[17:20] <jdstrand> bug #276437
[17:20] <asac> jdstrand: simple: look in rules ... there is --with-system-nss/nsp
[17:20] <asac> r
[17:20] <asac> in that case its not used
[17:20] <asac> jdstrand: but we have to look into updating system-nss
[17:20] <asac> at some point
[17:21] <jdstrand> asac: ok, so you're saying that while we updated the 80_security_build to play with Makefiles to build nss-fips, we are ok because we use system nss
[17:21] <asac> jdstrand: yes. that patch is obsolete
[17:21] <asac> jdstrand: we just didnt drop it in hardy (most likely nobody reviewed the patches)
[17:22] <jdstrand> asac: obsolete for Ubuntu, or everyone? (I don't understand why it's there and we're fiddling with it)
[17:22] <asac> jdstrand: its obsolete for those builds that use system-nspr/nss
[17:22] <asac> jdstrand: which we started to do in gutsy iirc
[17:22] <jdstrand> asac: ok. good enough for me. thanks for the clarification :)
[17:22] <asac> jdstrand: at least for ffox and tbird ... might be that gutsy iceape still uses in-source
[17:22] <asac> jdstrand: but in hardy seamonkey uses system-nspr/nss
[17:23] <asac> jdstrand: to be sure just look in rules. if it has --with-system-nspr/nss then this patch is carried around for nothing
[17:23] <jdstrand> asac: I am, and I'm going to look at the build before uploading
[17:23] <asac> jdstrand: yeah
[17:23] <jdstrand> but now I know what to look for :)
[17:24] <asac> jdstrand: yeah. you can also look if seamonkey ships any libnss/nspr binaries
[17:24]  * jdstrand nods
[17:24] <asac> jdstrand: might be that we ship links. but the real binaries should be those from the system-nss
[17:24] <asac> nspr
[18:14] <fta> jdstrand, fta@ix:~ $ wget -qO- http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18102739/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.seamonkey_1.1.12%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz | gzip -dc | grep -c nss-fips
[18:14] <fta> 0
[18:15] <fta> not built
[18:17] <fta> jdstrand, ^^, the only part of nss that is always built is security/manager/* but neither security/nss nor the new security/nss-fips
[18:17] <fta> because of system-nss
[18:26] <fta> [reed], regression with font rendering in trunk between hg20080926r19786 and hg20081001r20062
[18:27]  * Nafallo gives fta zgrep
[18:28] <fta> Nafallo, i know :)  but on some of my boxes, zgrep is missing, same as gunzip, so gzip is always safer
[18:28] <Nafallo> :-)
[18:37] <jdstrand> fta: cool, thanks
[18:48] <fta> [reed], it also crashes a lot (hg20081001r20062). rebuilding to get symbols
[19:01] <lonejack> hi, I'm working on ubuntu. My firefox doesn't allow me to change some inputs on about:config. That is, it's possible to to change them buy the change remain only until firefox isn't closed. Can somebody help me?
[19:03] <lonejack> In order to be precise(if this cna help you), my /home/ hasn't  been created during system installation. It comes from my previous installation...
[19:11] <Lns> lonejack: did you try removing your ~/.mozilla directory and starting over? It's probably a configuration problem if your old ~/.mozilla came from a different install.
[19:11] <lonejack> Lns: I try
[19:29] <lonejack> Lns: prob solved but I had to reinstall all my components...
[19:31] <Lns> lonejack: you might be able to cherry-pick things such as bookmarks and password lists - are you using FF 3 or 2?
[19:32] <fta> never *remove* you .mozilla dir, rename it
[19:32] <fta> youR
[19:32] <Lns> lonejack: Many times, especially between different versions, you have to remove your user-level config and start over - and put things back in place afterwards
[19:33] <Lns> fta: yes..unless your current .mozilla is already a test config/etc
[19:34] <fta> Lns, well it's not a good advice anyway, user may loose important data. it's better to ask for a test with a blank profile first, we have a page on the wiki describing that
[19:35] <Lns> fta: well it'd seem pretty pointless to keep all sorts of "test" configs when you know you're working with something specific
[19:35] <Lns> as a general rule of computing, you should never delete anything unless you are sure you don't need anything in it
[19:36] <fta> i think it's clear lonejack said his home dir is not a test dir
[19:39] <lonejack> fta: thank you for your kindness. Yeah it was better to save all my info.... anyway in a hour I'll solve. Thank you
[19:40] <Lns> fta: i wasn't talking about lonejack's situation specifically...sorry, I guess I just assumed that he would know not to delete stuff that has important data in it.. "remove" was probably a bad choice of words
[19:43] <lonejack> hey, what's the url of the wiki mentioned?
[19:43] <lonejack> thx
[19:44] <fta> recommended procedure is there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs
[19:46] <lonejack> fta:ok
[19:50] <fta> [reed], asac: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/53515/
[20:15] <fta> [reed], another crash trying to move tabs across
[21:59] <[reed]> fta: known
[21:59] <fta> [reed], i guessed so, fixed ?
[22:00] <[reed]> fta: let me get the bug
[22:03] <fta> [reed], which one btw ? the tab one or the nss one ?
[22:07] <fta> hm, the font rendering regression is still there
[22:18] <fta> [reed], the tab crash is still there with latest trunk
[22:23] <[reed]> mozilla bug 458048
[22:25] <fta> thx
[23:00] <fta> [reed], do i need to post my stack trace? or is the problem already fully understood?
[23:01] <[reed]> fta: you could test if the patch in mozilla bug 454324 fixes it
[23:02] <fta> [reed], next comment reads "That patch is wallpaper in presshell over what looks to me like serious bustage elsewhere."
[23:02] <fta> so doesn't seem worth it
[23:03] <[reed]> :)
[23:03] <[reed]> it's a beta blocker
[23:03] <[reed]> so, it'll get fixed
[23:03] <[reed]> asac/fta: bug 277403 -- have you all not been backporting fixes?
[23:03] <fta> ok, i'll try to track my font rendering regression then
[23:04] <fta> [reed], it's in main, i can't do it
[23:04] <fta> and it's time consuming :S
[23:04] <[reed]> "In Gutsy, firefox-3.0 is in Universe"
[23:05] <fta> oh, right ;)
[23:11] <fta> lol http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=936887


[06:02] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:55] <pieter2627> morning all
[07:25] <MaNI> morning
[07:25] <MaNI> pieter2627, thanks I know about the site change, but the new site links to the old site still for search functionality
[07:25] <pieter2627> lol
[07:25] <MaNI> i.e. http://www.cipc.co.za/index.php/find-enterprise-ip-informatr/name-corporate-entity/ <- that links there to cipro
[07:25] <MaNI> its been like that for years and it always used to work :p
[07:31] <pieter2627> they must have decided to stop caring about the old domain, but forgot to port the functionality...
[07:43] <Sxuza> morning ppl
[07:44] <pieter2627> Hi, Sxuza. You winning with that Mac?
[07:45] <Sxuza> i decided to put the installation on hold
[07:45] <Sxuza> ive installed on Vbox
[07:45] <Sxuza> will see if i can run somethings and play around there
[07:46] <pieter2627> oh, which flavour did you use?
[07:46] <Sxuza> ubuntu
[07:47] <Sxuza> im not sure what u mean when ure askin flavour
[07:47] <Sxuza> im a newbie remember ?
[07:47] <Sxuza> lol
[07:48] <pieter2627> yes, there is kUbuntu, XUbuntu, lUbuntu, etc. The original is just Ubuntu. The others just use a different Desktop environment
[07:49] <pieter2627> much like XP, differs from Vista and 8, etc.
[07:49] <Sxuza> o ok , got it
[07:50] <pieter2627> and do you know which version you got?
[07:50] <Sxuza> well , i just downloaded ubuntu iso , so that i can run it from the Vbox
[07:50] <Sxuza> how do i get to find out which flavour is it
[07:50] <Sxuza> *runs V-box*
[07:51] <pieter2627> The other flavours are on their own websites
[07:51] <Sxuza> will send u a snap hot just now
[07:51] <pieter2627> so you have the "original" - in will say Ubuntu on the purplish screen when you boot up
[07:52] <pieter2627> no make it cold... i hade the heat :P
[07:53] <pieter2627> paste it at http://pasteboard.co/
[07:55] <Sxuza> sorry i was on the phone , yah im gonna send the link to u just now
[07:57] <Sxuza> http://imgur.com/a/Klpy0
[07:57] <Sxuza> there u go , see for urself
[08:02] <pieter2627> yes that just Ubuntu. For interest sake and when you start to read/learn more on it, the DE (desktop environment) for it is called Unity(that is its launcher on the left of the screen)
[08:03] <pieter2627> i see you only have 1Gb memory dedicated for it, couldn't you set it higher?
[08:03] <Sxuza> o ok , thanks for the info, well i can set it higher , for now it was just to get it installed
[08:04] <Sxuza> what u suggest i set it to ?
[08:05] <pieter2627> 2Gb should hold better for the most part
[08:05] <Sxuza> ok
[08:06] <Sxuza> i hope that will be fine , cause i need to steal from the main PC's allocation
[08:06] <Sxuza> cause its on V-box
[08:06] <pieter2627> how much you have in total?
[08:06] <Sxuza> will check just now
[08:07] <Sxuza> 4GB
[08:08] <pieter2627> oh almost thought 2Gb will be high - you can go for 1.5Gb too, or keep it at 1Gb until you do to much were you find it a bit slow
[10:01] <GnikLlort> wtf
[15:19] <Kilos> greetings everyone
[15:36] <Kilos> hi skokkk kenju254
[15:37] <skokkk> hello Kilos
[15:37] <skokkk> is the new git update broken for anyone else aswell? (2.6.2-1)
[15:38] <Kilos> i stay clear of git, its for clever peeps
[15:39] <Kilos> wb stickyboy
[15:58] <skokkk> Kilos, I know a guy who uses git to sync his files across his home network. he is also using distributed repo's.. (no central server)
[15:59] <Kilos> stickyboy also uses git for just about everything
[15:59] <Kilos> he was in kenya but i remember he spoke about moving
[16:00] <Kilos> hi Sxuza
[16:00] <skokkk> nice stickyboy, I prefer bittorrent, all my package cache across all pc's are shared and home directories linked
[16:00] <Sxuza> ola Kilos
[16:01] <Kilos> if you like the mac look you can use dock for ubuntu
[16:01] <skokkk> or just use Deepin linux :)
[16:01] <Kilos> im happy with kde
[16:02]  * Kilos waves to inetpro
[16:02] <skokkk> i find all dm's hard to use except xfce, and I doubt I can still use xfce after me using i3 for the last few months
[16:03] <Kilos> lol i didnt like xfce
[16:03] <Kilos> never tried i3
[16:03] <skokkk> it's more a window manager, works best on either small laptop screens or 2+ screens
[16:04] <Kilos> oh my im getting old
[16:05] <Kilos> Sxuza you can join our mailing list and join at launchpad
[16:06] <skokkk> Kilos, by old you mean because of the size of your apt-get upgrade ? :)
[16:06] <Sxuza> whats launchpad ?
[16:06] <Kilos> on the site you can join the list https://ubuntu-za.org
[16:06] <Kilos> hahaha no man
[16:06] <Kilos> by old i mean wrinkled
[16:06] <Kilos> and forgetful
[16:06] <Sxuza> o ok , brb , i just need to select my squad for this week's games on the FPL - fantasy premier league
[16:07] <Kilos> ok
[16:19] <Sxuza> done Kilos
[16:19] <Kilos> well done
[16:19]  * Sxuza is hoping to learn how to use the OS ubuntu
[16:19] <Sxuza> and am confident i came to the right place
[16:19] <Kilos> it actually easy
[16:20] <Sxuza> kewl , i will stay connect and learn
[16:20] <Kilos> just takes getting used to
[16:21] <Sxuza> just a stupid qtn i wanna ask , whats the difference between Redhat , and ubuntu ?
[16:21] <Sxuza> which one are only text base and those that are GUI ?
[16:21] <Sxuza> ones
[16:22] <Sxuza> cause i never worked with any before
[16:22] <Sxuza> but has prefered i wanna start with the Ubuntu
[16:22] <Kilos> oh
[16:23] <Kilos> redhat uses different commands to do the same job
[16:24] <Sxuza> ok , sorry i gtg now
[16:24] <Kilos> go well
[18:00] <inetpro> ..
[18:45]  * Kilos ...
[18:45] <Kilos> gaanit toppie
[19:03] <inetpro> goed, goed en daar oom Kilos?
[19:04] <Kilos> beter by die dag dankie boetie
[19:04] <inetpro> net moeg
[19:04] <Kilos> ai! jy moet rus nou en dan man
[19:05] <Kilos> of kry van die goed
[19:05] <Kilos> http://www.primalforce.net/landing/MB_EHO_UAccel_Active_Ppl_20151022.html?utm_source=eho&utm_medium=mb&utm_term=ad&utm_content=buyer&utm_campaign=uaccel-active-ppl-20151022
[19:05] <inetpro> ai!
[19:05] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[19:06] <Kilos> wat?
[19:06] <inetpro> vieslike lang skakel daai
[19:06] <Kilos> ja skuus man
[19:06] <Kilos> maar lees
[19:06] <inetpro> :-)
[19:06] <Kilos> kan help
[19:07] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:07] <Kilos> hows superfly and family
[19:07] <inetpro> ehlo superfly
[19:08] <Kilos> hahaha jy word nou net soos debs
[19:08] <Kilos> as ek iets se wat sy nie will hoor nie se sy dit en maak of sy nie engels verstaan nie
[19:08] <inetpro> wie?
[19:09] <Kilos> ehlo
[19:09] <Kilos> no speeka ingrish
[19:10] <Kilos> oh superfly i think its you that uses stickynotes
[19:10] <inetpro> EHLO (or HELO) identifies the server initiating a SMTP connection
[19:10] <Kilos> lol
[19:11] <inetpro> SMTP = Simple Mail Transfer Protocol
[19:11] <Kilos> we have a visitor that comes here that wrote it or another one
[19:12] <superfly> Kilos: I wrote the one at bin.snyman.info
[19:13] <Kilos> oh
[19:13] <Kilos> sorry
[19:13] <Kilos> i get mixed up
[19:13] <Kilos> anyway she a python peeps as well
[19:14] <Kilos> oh inetpro did you see, she gonna look at ibid for us as wel
[19:14] <Kilos> l
[19:17] <inetpro> actions speak louder than words
[19:17] <Kilos> well see
[19:17] <Kilos> ill keep gtrying till we have a python 3 ibid
[19:18] <inetpro> be happy and use what you have
[19:18] <inetpro> nothing wrong with it
[19:18] <Kilos> oh i do but one must always prepare for the future
[19:20] <Kilos> and rewriting ibid will show dedication
[19:20] <Kilos> from new peps that is
[19:20] <Kilos> you okes all done your share
[19:35] <Kilos> night all. look after yourselves and sleep tight'
[19:40] <inetpro> Is there an #AllBlacksMustFall hashtag yet?
[19:44] <inetpro> #GoBokke


[03:34] <eric0> hi all
[05:34] <eric0> is there a way to use ec2 metadata in cloud-config actions? i read the docs on datasources but don't understand whether it automatically pulls down all the stuff available in /latest for use somehow, or whether i need to shell out to ec2-metadata or curl to make use of it
[05:53] <smoser> no. its not readily available, eric0
[05:57] <eric0> ok i'll just use a little shell snippet, thx. poking at some additional puppet integrations with it and puppet's trained me too well to treat shell as the last resort :)
[07:40] <abk> ping... can anyone here answer what all distros compatibility does cloud-init already has... or point to a resource which does
[07:42] <kwadronaut> http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/availability.html?highlight=centos
[07:42] <kwadronaut> ignore the highlight.
[07:45] <abk> thanks
[07:46] <abk> I'm trying to get clear picture around cloud-init... using it with lxc or virtualbox containers shall work as with any advance hypervisor-based containers right
[07:49] <smoser> you needto give it a datasource.
[07:49] <smoser> but yes.
[07:50] <abk> ok, and the link says "and more..."; I'll specify the other distros than listed which are of my concers... please let me know if any of those are not supported... Gentoo, Arch, OpenSuse, FreeBSD
[07:51] <abk> and also is there any tutorial (getting started like) to tryout these on lxc or virtualbox
[07:56] <kwadronaut> hmmm if there aren't any hello world examples, looking at the cloud config examples could get you started.
[07:56] <kwadronaut> i remember that around may someone said he wanted to start hacking on fbsd support, don't know the current status.
[07:58] <abk> thanks, any ack on Gentoo/Arch/Suse
[08:44] <kwadronaut> i don't personally use any of those. you might want to try the mailinglist or something like that. or stick around for a longer time until someone else pops by who happens to know answers.
[09:08] <abk> kwadronaut, sure... thanks... just one more Q. do you have any reference links for creating a cloud-init enabled (cloud) image... or to re-phrase it how cloud-images fetch for user data
[14:05] <Chocobo> Does the "user: <USERNAME>" configuration option create <USERNAME> or does it already have to exist?
[14:07] <Chocobo> Nevermind... I found it in the examples
[14:07] <Chocobo> errr.. I found "users:" not "user:"
[14:19] <abk> ny reference links for creating a cloud-init enabled (cloud) image... or to re-phrase it how cloud-images fetch for user data?
[14:41] <Chocobo> is it lock_passwd or lock-passwd?  The example has it both ways.
[18:43] <harlowja> smoser woah, just noticed that http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/ format changed
[18:44] <harlowja> did u do that, or was that the readthedocs.org people
[18:44] <smoser> i think that was rtd
[18:44] <smoser> i didn't do it
[18:44] <smoser> hm..
[18:45] <smoser> look at the bottom 'latest' (for versions)
[18:45] <smoser> i wonder if there is more on that.
[18:45] <smoser> as that is something people have asked for.
[18:45] <smoser> (of cloud-init, version specific doc)
[18:46] <harlowja> ya, remember how i think i found a link that version support for bzr not so good :-/
[18:47] <harlowja> http://read-the-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/features.html#versions
[18:47] <harlowja> i think cloud-init uses tags, not branches
[18:47] <harlowja> which is under [No
[18:48] <harlowja> if u created fake-branch that might make a version appear (not sure really)
[18:51] <smoser> hm.. yeah.
[18:58] <harmw> looking fine, that new page
[18:58] <harlowja> ya, the search is neat
[18:58] <harlowja> versions would be nice to (but see above)
[18:58] <harmw> yea, im kinda missing a changelog
[18:59] <harlowja> agreed
[18:59] <harlowja> we can probably plug that in pretty easily
[19:00] <harlowja> weird smoser , http://anvil.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ didn't get updated
[19:00] <harmw> plus, is it just the look&feel thats changed or did the docs themselves got refreshed aswell?
[19:01] <harlowja> look & feel afaik
[19:01] <harmw> k
[19:01] <harlowja> although its odd that my other rtd site didn't change
[19:01] <harmw> job wel done i'd say :)
[19:04] <harlowja> maybe they are selectively rolling out that upgrade
[19:09] <abk> if I need to make a particular distro cloud-init ready... what are the steps... are Gentoo/FreeBSD/Suse supported
[19:12] <harlowja> freebsd is the odd one there :-P
[19:12] <harlowja> 1. make sure python exists in distro
[19:13] <harlowja> 2. make sure basic cloud-init works there (likely remove most of the modules that run)
[19:13] <harlowja> 3. figure out how cloud-init will get started on boot
[19:13] <harlowja> 4. adjust any code in cloud-init (especially for freebsd)
[19:13] <harlowja>   - repeat 2 -> 4
[19:13] <harlowja> 5. package cloud-init for distro
[19:13] <harlowja> 6. profit
[19:20] <smoser> 7. share profit with poor smoser
[19:28] <abk> @harlowja, @smoser thanks :) ...my main confusion is how system knows to run cloud-init as prior boot task before any, is there any article/wiki from Ubuntu Cloud Images or others that I can refer
[19:29] <harlowja> hmmm
[19:29] <harlowja> its very system specific unfortunately abk
[19:30] <harlowja> each system uses somethign different
[19:30] <harlowja> systemd upstart sysvinit
[19:30] <harlowja> ...
[19:30] <harlowja> upstart -> ubuntu
[19:30] <harlowja> systemd -> fedora
[19:30] <harlowja> sysvinit -> most everything else (old school)
[19:30] <harlowja> freebsd -> (??)
[19:30] <smoser> abk, the big thing is that cloud-init local runs first, then cloud-init network (and that should run only after all networking has come up)
[19:30] <abk> openrc -> freebsd
[19:30] <smoser> and then the same order for the other upstart/ jobs.
[19:31] <harlowja> ya, what smoser said is the big ordering
[19:32] <abk> if I can clealry understand application of it in terms of any sysVinit/systemD/upstart/openrc; I'll decipher it for others :(
[19:32] <harlowja> abk u can look at the upstart/sysvinit and such in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/sysvinit/redhat/cloud-init
[19:32] <harlowja> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/files/head:/upstart/
[19:32] <abk> ohk, thanks
[19:32] <harlowja> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/files/head:/systemd/ :)
[19:33] <harlowja> bb
[19:34] <abk> hopefully if I get it going... I'll publish article so I don't forget and come asking and others can refer :D thanks folks
[19:43] <smoser> abk, that'd be great.
[19:44] <smoser> there are certainly some linux-isms there.
[19:44] <smoser> but we're open to finding more cross platform solutions.


[08:20] <didrocks> hey mmrazik, how are you?
[10:37] <tsdgeos> Mirv: just tried new packages for https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1067357 and seems the whole feature has regressed?
[11:06] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I think you are right. the Unity menu or other texts don't seem to disappear at all?
[11:07] <tsdgeos> yeah, i've i'm on firefox and press alt+f1 i still have the firefox text, not the launcher texts in the panel
[11:07] <Mirv> tsdgeos: could you file a new bug about it? I guess it's anyway related to the commit touching those things. and we need to stop the SRU process for unity.
[11:07] <tsdgeos> a new bug? ok
[11:08] <Mirv> and we'd really need a autopilot testing if the text is shown
[11:09] <didrocks> mhr3: hey, do you know where the music store scope went?
[11:09] <didrocks> trying to find to what it was renamed :p
[11:09] <didrocks> pstolowski: knows as well maybe ^
[11:10] <didrocks> it has always been in the unity-lens-music?
[11:11] <pstolowski> didrocks: yes, it's in music lens
[11:11] <didrocks> pstolowski: ok, thanks :)
[11:11] <mhr3> right, ^^
[11:30] <Mirv> tsdgeos: after filing a bug, since you know the code you could maybe also work on fixing it? :)
[11:31] <tsdgeos> Mirv: to busy elsewhere, sorry :-/
[11:31] <Mirv> tsdgeos: ok
[11:31] <tsdgeos> actually afair i did a unittest
[11:31] <tsdgeos> that is either failing
[11:31] <tsdgeos> or is a bad unittest :D
[11:32]  * tsdgeos has a look at the bzr log and wonders what broke
[11:42] <Mirv> at least it didn't show up in our autopilot run as failing
[13:18] <Mirv> tsdgeos_: did you file the bug against unity?
[13:45] <mmrazik> didrocks: FYI -- the autopilot tests just started with the staging compiz and they seem to be running
[13:45] <didrocks> mmrazik: sweeeeetness! :)
[13:46] <didrocks> mmrazik: I'm trying to bootstrap the whole stack now to have the ~ubuntu-unity ready for autopilot running it
[13:49] <didrocks> popey: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/124506429/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-armhf.unity_6.12.0bzr2942pkg0raring0_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz :(
[13:49] <didrocks> popey: maybe Mirv can have a look? Trying to get everything ready when we can release
[13:49] <didrocks> popey: or bregma
[13:49] <didrocks> hey bregma!
[13:50] <bregma> unh?
[13:50] <didrocks> bregma: in addition to that, did you have the time to look at http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-unity?
[13:50] <bregma> didrocks, it's on this morning's agenda
[13:50] <popey> didrocks, yeah, sure!
[13:50] <didrocks> bregma: thanks! people are getting anxious to have an unity release (I start to get a lot of pings…)
[13:51] <didrocks> bregma: so right now, it seems the only two blockers are the armhf issue and this pad
[13:51] <bregma> I've been avoiding pinging you myself so you could focus on getting it done
[13:52] <mmrazik> bregma: we also had some compiz issues. Due to a wrong version in changelog (that is fixed) we were running our tests with bzr version of unity but compiz was from daily ISO. Since yesterday we started to get crash dumps. It looks like there was an ABI breakage which wasn't handled properly in packaging..
[13:52]  * mmrazik is searching for the bug#
[13:52] <mmrazik> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1067585
[13:52] <bregma> saw the fix go through, didn;t know what it was for
[13:53] <mmrazik> bregma: the tests started few minutes back and it seems to be gone
[13:53] <mmrazik> but I guess we should bump some abi version somewhere
[13:54] <mmrazik> mhm... just looking at the bugreport and I'm not sure anymore how it is related :-/
[13:54] <didrocks> bregma: do yo uwant me doing it?
[13:54] <didrocks> bumping the compiz soname
[13:54] <mmrazik> srry. that must be a bogus bug
[13:55] <bregma> none of the compiz folk are around today (as far as I know), so could you please do the necessary?  I don't feel I have enough grasp on the problem to do the right thing at this point.
[13:55] <didrocks> bregma: no worry, doing it :)
[13:55] <didrocks> one secundo
[13:56] <didrocks> bregma: setting the ABI to today as we don't know when it was broken
[13:57] <bregma> yeah
[13:59] <didrocks> bregma: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/compiz/bumpabi/+merge/137199
[13:59] <tsdgeos_> Mirv: oh, i thought your comment in the bug saying verification-failed was enough, want me to open it?
[14:02] <popey> tsdgeos_, yes please :)
[14:03] <didrocks> mmrazik: once that's merged we need an unity rebuild ^
[14:03] <didrocks> (or a fix for armfh merged!)
[14:03] <didrocks> :)
[14:05] <didrocks> pstolowski: mhr3: what is unity extra?
[14:06] <didrocks> something new that should be shipped by libunity-dev package?
[14:06] <tsdgeos_> Mirv: popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1085045 not one of my best english literature though
[14:07] <popey> thanks tsdgeos_
[14:08] <Mirv> tsdgeos_: thanks!
[14:08] <Mirv> targeting 6.0
[14:13] <Mirv> bregma: regarding the ARM build failure, 2941 built successfully (only tests failed) in staging, in 2942 sil2100 modified a test like this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/revision/2942
[14:15] <Mirv> and 2941 compiled the tests ok, only running some of those failed.
[14:16] <didrocks> Mirv: can you have a look, please? https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/dee/missingchangelog/+merge/137204
[14:16] <didrocks> (I'll have a bunch of those)
[14:16] <Mirv> didrocks: sure
[14:17] <Mirv> approved
[14:17] <didrocks> thanks
[14:18] <didrocks> Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/libunity/add-missing-changelog/+merge/137205
[14:20] <Mirv> done
[14:25] <didrocks> Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity-lens-music/updatepackage/+merge/137207
[14:29] <didrocks> Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity-lens-photos/add-missing-changelog/+merge/137209
[14:32] <didrocks> Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity-lens-shopping/update-package/+merge/137211
[14:32] <Mirv> 2*ok. need to soonish start leaving for evening's Mr. Bond, though, but still here
[14:32] <didrocks> Mirv: don't miss the last one :p
[14:32] <Mirv> for maybe 20mins
[14:33] <didrocks> sure, I'll bother popey I guess then! :)
[14:33] <popey> heh
[14:33] <Mirv> done too
[14:33] <didrocks> thanks Mirv ;)
[14:33] <popey> ohh, Bond, good idea!
[14:33]  * Mirv prints tickets :)
[14:34] <mhr3> didrocks, yes
[14:35] <didrocks> mhr3: should we just distribute it with libunity?
[14:35] <didrocks> like same binary package?
[14:35] <didrocks> (that's what is done currently)
[14:35] <didrocks> same, just one -dev
[14:36] <mhr3> yea, why not
[14:37] <mhr3> it deps on libunity itself anyway
[14:37] <didrocks> let's have them in the same package for now
[14:37] <Mirv> umm unity 2943 in staging had different error on armel about undefined reference in libicui18n.so.48.. https://launchpadlibrarian.net/124509377/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-armel.unity_6.12.0bzr2943pkg0quantal0_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:38] <Mirv> armhf still building at https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/staging/+build/4024562
[14:38] <pstolowski> didrocks: yes, that's fine (sorry, missed your question earlier)
[14:38] <didrocks> thanks mhr3 pstolowski :)
[14:46] <didrocks> popey: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity-scope-gdrive/clean-package/+merge/137214
[14:49] <popey> k
[14:51] <popey> done
[14:52] <didrocks> thanks :)
[14:53] <popey> yw
[15:07] <mmrazik> fginther: so far we have been testing with old version of compiz in our job (due to packaging/versioning bug the compiz version in staging was lower than the one on daily iso)
[15:08] <mmrazik> fginther, didrocks: it looks like the fail rate popped up to ~10% (slightly more) with the newest compiz :-/
[15:08] <mmrazik> fginther: could you have a look on that, please?
[15:08] <didrocks> mmrazik: urgh
[15:08] <mmrazik> fginther: its build #50
[15:08] <mmrazik> 88 failures out of 876 tests
[15:08] <mmrazik> (intel seems to be just broken)
[15:10] <fginther> mmrazik, otp, check in a moment
[15:18] <mmrazik> fginther: didrocks: it seems to be the maximized window issue that popped up on nvidia for a while and then wasn't visible anymore (windows that are supposed to start as maximized are not)
[15:20] <bregma> hey folks, does an MP that's been merged but the PS Jenkins bot still says 'Pending' mean the automated mechanism has been manually bypassed?
[15:21] <mmrazik> bregma: no
[15:21] <didrocks> mmrazik: at least, if it's just one behavior failing…
[15:22] <mmrazik> bregma: at some point of time there was a discussion about not generating unnecessary e-mails
[15:22] <mmrazik> bregma: and if you Approve and everything goes well the ps-jenkins bot doesn't say Approved but merges right away
[15:22] <mmrazik> I think the "Pending" part is some left-over and probably a but
[15:22] <mmrazik> s/but/bug/
[15:23] <mmrazik> bregma: you should see the committer in bzr log if you want to double-check
[15:23] <mmrazik> bregma: if it says tarmac then it was jenkins doing the merge
[15:23] <bregma> right, makes sense, but it would be nice if there was a convenient link from the MP
[15:23] <mmrazik> didrocks, fginther: it looks like most of the new failures are panel tests
[15:24] <mmrazik> bregma: link to what?
[15:25] <didrocks> bregma: do you reproduce this issue with latest everything? ^
[15:27] <fginther> mmrazik, looking now
[15:27] <bregma> didrocks, which issue... the armhf failure?
[15:27]  * bregma is juggling too many balls at once
[15:27] <didrocks> bregma: the one mmrazik is discussing here
[15:27] <didrocks> mmrazik: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity-lens-photos/add-missing-changelog/+merge/137209, is it stalled?
[15:28] <mmrazik> didrocks: looks like no autolanding configured..
[15:29] <mmrazik> didrocks: btw. have you seen the shopping lens failures?
[15:29] <mmrazik> didrocks: either because of raring vs quantal or the need of local ppa...
[15:29] <mmrazik> I as just looking into it
[15:29] <didrocks> mmrazik: I see those failures, seems that you don't have a dependency system
[15:29] <didrocks> oh?
[15:29] <didrocks> mmrazik: can you fix those? here is the list of failures:
[15:29] <didrocks> because of the same issue I guess
[15:29] <didrocks> so shopping
[15:30] <didrocks> https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity-lens-music/updatepackage/+merge/137207
[15:30] <fginther> ackk! no unity-lens-photos autolanding... I can fix that
[15:30] <mmrazik> fginther: I'm wondering if we can just add the local repo via a hook
[15:30] <mmrazik> fginther: given these are leaf packages and probably don't need the full mbs machinery
[15:31] <mmrazik> fginther: the same for shopping lens and lens-music
[15:31] <didrocks> mmrazik: is the drive issue the same? https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity-scope-gdrive/clean-package/+merge/137214
[15:31] <mmrazik> didrocks: nope
[15:31] <mmrazik> didrocks: looks like missing build dep to me
[15:32] <didrocks> I need to find this IP… :/
[15:32] <mmrazik> didrocks:  my guess is python-distutils-extra
[15:32] <fginther> mmrazik, a hook to the local repo should work
[15:32] <fginther> mmrazik, I'll get to work on it
[15:45] <mmrazik> fginther: fyi -- I'm taking care of the unity-scrope-gdrive issue
[15:49] <fginther> mmrazik, thanks
[15:52] <mvo> Trevinho: hi, sorry for naging, but could I ask for lp:~mvo/unity/sc-launcher-integration-fixes :)?
[15:58] <fginther> didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity-lens-photos/add-missing-changelog/+merge/137209 merged
[15:58] <didrocks> fginther: thanks!
[16:00] <bregma> unity build 6.12.0bzr2943pkg0raring0 on armhf finished successfully, I think the previous failure may have been hardware (or transient ABI disconnect)
[16:04] <fginther> mmrazik, didrocks, I'm looking into those autopilot regressions, does appear to be a problem with maximizing a window
[16:05] <didrocks> fginther: keep me posted :)
[17:01] <didrocks> fginther: did you fix the dep issue for https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity-lens-music/updatepackage/+merge/137207 and https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity-lens-shopping/update-package/+merge/137211?
[17:02] <bobweaver> didrocks,  what is Jenkins ?
[17:03] <didrocks> bobweaver: what is merging the branches
[17:03] <bobweaver> it is a bot ?
[17:03] <didrocks> bobweaver: http://jenkins-ci.org/
[17:03] <bobweaver> thanks
[17:05] <bobweaver> didrocks,  do you know how to layer with nux ?
[17:05] <fginther> didrocks, sorry, I didn't see that. I'm looking at it now
[17:05] <didrocks> bobweaver: not really, I didn't touch nux for 1 year and half now :)
[17:05] <didrocks> fginther: oh? I thought mmrazik was on it, but as he wasn't around :) Thanks!
[17:05] <bobweaver> didrocks,  dang thanks for responding though
[19:19] <Trevinho> mvo: I'll look to that, no worries
[19:20] <bobweaver> no meeting ?
[19:20] <bobweaver> oh it is invite only
[21:10] <bobweaver> How to make it so that the layout in nux is telling the lens_bar_  to be on the right ?    *.cpp >> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1400581/      *.h   http://paste.ubuntu.com/1400583/
[21:10] <bobweaver> I want it on the left
[21:12] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/237726
[21:12] <bobweaver> screen shot ^^
[21:13] <bobweaver> I tried changing the minor and major axis but it still stays to the left . I tryed to put in other layout_ model , that also did not work out. Must be my code ?
[22:31] <bobweaver> Ok for real then no one will even look ?
[22:31] <bobweaver> how about this the most simple effing thing to do in any widget lib  add a background
[22:32] <bobweaver> can do that either
[22:32] <bobweaver>   //adding background Have I told you that this is the hardest widget lib ever ?
[22:32] <bobweaver>   nux::Image* background = NULL;
[22:32] <bobweaver>   nux::Layout* backgroundimg()
[22:32] <bobweaver>   {
[22:32] <bobweaver>   nux::VLayout* layout = new nux::VLayout(NUX_TRACKER_LOCATION);
[22:32] <bobweaver>   background = new nux::Image(NUX_TRACKER_LOCATION);
[22:32] <bobweaver>   {
[22:32] <bobweaver>   nux::Image *image = new nux::Image();
[22:32] <bobweaver>   image->LoadImageFile(PKGDATADIR"dash/ff-tv/tvbk.png");
[22:32] <bobweaver> /         background->SetLayoutType(nux::Button::HORIZONTAL);
[22:32] <bobweaver> /         background->SetDistribution(nux::Button::CENTER_OF_LAYOUT);
[22:32] <bobweaver> /         background->SetSpaceBetweenItems(0);
[22:32] <bobweaver> /         background->SetImage(image);
[22:32] <bobweaver>          image->UnReference();
[22:32] <bobweaver>          layout->AddView(background, 1, nux::MINOR_POSITION_CENTER, nux::MINOR_SIZE_FULL);
[22:32] <bobweaver>   }
[22:32] <bobweaver> }
[22:32] <bobweaver>
[22:32] <bobweaver> dont work
[22:36] <bobweaver> I am going to loose it
[22:37] <bschaefer> bobweaver, hmm sorry, a lot of people are off already
[22:37] <bschaefer> bobweaver, a good place for examples is: bzr branch lp:nuxplayground
[22:37] <bobweaver> tried that what has changed in 3.0 to 4.0 ?
[22:37] <bschaefer> nothing, just the number
[22:38] <bobweaver> I mean it should not be this hard at all to get a bkg image to show up
[22:38] <bschaefer> no it shouldn't...hmm what does it do?
[22:38] <bschaefer> compile error?
[22:38] <bobweaver> yeah
[22:38] <bschaefer> what is it yelling about?
[22:39] <bobweaver> select layout type is not a not a class type
[22:39] <bobweaver> also says that bakgreoundimg can not be declared in scope thpough it is
[22:40] <bobweaver> can not find  function LoadImageFile
[22:40] <bobweaver> the list goes on and on
[22:40] <bschaefer> hmm can I see the file in a pastebin?
[22:41] <bobweaver> all I want to do is add a background image.  sure I will pastebinit
[22:41] <bschaefer> thanks, sometimes getting the headers right in nux is ... odd
[22:42] <bobweaver> thanks for your help bschaefer  it mean alot to me
[22:42] <bschaefer> no problem
[22:42] <bschaefer> hopefully I can help out :)
[22:42] <bobweaver>  *.cpp  >> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1400763/
[22:43] <bobweaver>  *.h >> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1400766/
[22:43] <bschaefer> hmm that is a large file, so you're trying to add an image to the Dash?
[22:44] <bobweaver> Branch  >> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv-developers/ubuntutv/trunk
[22:44] <bobweaver> yeah well I made new binary in cmake to make 2 dashs
[22:44] <bobweaver> one for TV and one for well unity the og onee
[22:45] <bobweaver> dash/ff-tv/*
[22:45] <bobweaver> bschaefer,  I am trying to add the image that was used in unity 2d for the background of the tv
[22:45] <bobweaver> I will push branch to what I have
[22:45] <bschaefer> bobweaver, hmm c++ code doesn't seem to be valid...
[22:46] <bschaefer> line 124
[22:46] <bschaefer> in the diff...
[22:46] <bschaefer> do you want it to be part of the ctor?
[22:46] <bobweaver> what is ctor ?
[22:46] <bobweaver> sorry I am new
[22:47] <bobweaver> Oh NM
[22:47] <bschaefer> constructor
[22:47] <bschaefer> as on line 124, that is the closing bracket, then you have your stuff
[22:48] <bschaefer> sorry, im trying to read it, soo yeah have a function called: backgroundimg?
[22:48] <bschaefer> but that isn't apart of the DashLayout class
[22:50] <bschaefer> and does PKGDATADIR get set to anything?
[22:51] <bschaefer> to test that you can just drop PKGDATADIR from that call, because load images takes
[22:52] <bschaefer> void LoadImageFile(const std::string &filename);
[22:52] <bobweaver> ont sure I am super new to nux just following example on playground
[22:52] <bschaefer> yeah, the PKGDATADIR gets set in the make files n playground
[22:53] <bschaefer> i bet if you droped that it wouldn't yell at that any more
[22:56] <bobweaver> I must fix returning non-void [-Werror=return-type]
[22:58] <bschaefer> well look at your function
[22:58] <bschaefer> nux::Layout* backgroundimg()
[22:58] <bschaefer> you are returning a nux::Layout*
[22:58] <bschaefer> if you don't want to just do
[22:58] <bschaefer> void backgroundimg()
[23:03] <bobweaver> thanks
[23:07] <bobweaver> bschaefer, is there any way what so ever that I can get a example from you ?  I know that it is alot to ask but I am thinking about drooping everything that I am doing with this because it is so hard
[23:08] <bschaefer> bobweaver, hmm an example on what?
[23:08] <bobweaver> maybe I am not putting things together but boy was qml qt alot easier to work with. I am sure that I will get this just going to take some time and I do not know if I have that
[23:09] <bschaefer> bobweaver, overall, im quite busy working on unity stuff but there is a bunch of examples through out nux/unity on how to use nux
[23:09] <bobweaver> NM bschaefer  BUT thanks a bunch for trying to help me out but I am a failure sorry to waste your time. I give up have fun making something.
[23:09] <bschaefer> nux is hard ...
[23:09] <bschaefer> but it is very powerful
[23:10] <bobweaver> again thanks for trying to help
[23:10] <bschaefer> bobweaver, it takes a while to learn things, dont give up completely :)
[23:10] <bschaefer> focus on the foundations of c and c++, if you weren't sure what:  fix returning non-void [-Werror=return-type]
[23:11] <bschaefer> was, then I would say c++ is what you should be learning, not nux
[23:11]  * bschaefer still doesn't understand nux 100%
[23:14] <bobweaver> no I understand C++ not the best I am average. I understand abut the c99 but I need to learn more. should have went to school for CS
[23:14] <bobweaver> back to the drawing board
[23:15] <bobweaver> thanks again


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[13:05] <rick_h_> brousch: lol
[13:06] <rick_h_> brousch: my first peet's vanilla latte I was all "stupid peets, closing down my caribou...O..M..G this is candy in my mouth!"
[13:14] <DrDaemonEye> brousch: you'll have to tell me how Pete's coffee is... IIRC, there is one not too far from where I live.
[13:20] <brousch> I am drinking decaf Sumatra.  I ordered it through the mail
[13:27] <rick_h_> it probably stays open until 10pm as well
[13:27] <brousch> We actually have crap for coffee except downtown
[13:27] <brousch> Really good stuff there
[13:28] <cmaloney> yeah, we have Biggby, Starbucks, and a few independent locations
[13:28] <cmaloney> but all of the Caribou locations closed, as well as the businesses that tried to make a go of the old locations
[13:30] <cmaloney> I think JoDee's been heading to Biggby just to keep the damn place open. :)
[13:32] <brousch> Biggby and Tim Hortons are my usuals
[13:34] <DrDaemonEye> Hmm... got Starbucks, Biggby, and Espresso Royale.
[13:35] <DrDaemonEye> And a bunch of independent shops
[13:36] <jrwren> brousch: you ordered beans and brewed at home?
[13:36] <brousch> They also ground the beans
[13:37] <jrwren> that is good, at least you have a consistent grind.
[13:37] <cmaloney> home grinder FTW
[13:37] <jrwren> home burr grinder FTW, so I can have medium for drip and coarse for french press.
[13:38] <jrwren> brousch: Truch Stop Organics Big Big Roast is excellent and might be on meijer shelves near you.
[13:44] <brousch> I think this roast is not as dark as I like it.
[13:45] <brousch> It has more fruity/acid than I like
[21:16] <brousch> Lenovo is trying to ride the rick_h_ effect: ThinkPad X1 Carbon Touch Ultrabook; Web price:$1,499.00; After Instant Savings: $899.40; You save: $599.60
[21:18] <brousch> Weird, the version with WQHD touch screen is cheaper than those with no touch and crappier resolution http://shop.lenovo.com/smb/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/x-series/x1-carbon-2/
[21:34] <brousch> $1079 for i7 and 8GB. That 128GB M.s SSD is the only bad part