[12:02] <lightcycle> Someone who can recommend a USB audio interface with at least 16 ch in? Is 2nd gen Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 any good?
[14:31] <hggdh> Eickmeyer: factoid updated, thank you
[14:56] <Eickmeyer> hggdh: Thanks!
[15:00] <Eickmeyer> lightcycle: I've had a lot of luck with Behringer interfaces so long as I'm using Jack. The Behringer U-Phoria UMC1820 seems to be what you might be looking for, and it's relatively easy on the price compared to the Focusrite products.
[16:41] <lightcycle> Eickmeyer: Thank you for that, I will look into the Behringer interface as a possibility!
[20:18] <darkad> Hi all, no power management on ubuntustudio?
[20:19] <Eickmeyer> darkad: What do you mean by power management?
[20:19] <darkad> I set the behavior in case of low battery but nothing happens
[20:19] <darkad> and the computer losses the power without giving any alert message
[20:20] <darkad> I changed also between xfce power manager and gnome power manager but the result is just the same
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> darkad: That means it's a hardware problem. After time, some batteries don't report proper percentages.
[20:21] <Eickmeyer> You might need a battery replacement.
[20:21] <darkad> but I see the right percentage if I execute the power-manager-statistics
[20:21] <darkad> and I can look at the battery level also on the applet indicator
[20:22] <darkad> I got some doubts about default rt kernel compatibility, or some boot options maybe
[20:22] <Eickmeyer> darkad: Since this isn't a problem specific to Ubuntu Studio, and since Ubuntu Studio is simply customized Ubuntu, I might have to direct you to #xubuntu since it might be a problem with the applet. We don't develop the Xfce desktop here.
[20:23] <Eickmeyer> darkad: We don't have the RT kernel. If you've installed the RT kernel, that's not supported here.
[20:24] <Eickmeyer> We have the lowlatency kernel, which is simply the default "generic" kernel with an extra flag (PREEMPT_RT) set.
[20:24] <darkad> 4.4.0-143-lowlatency #169-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 7 08:38:45 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:24] <Eickmeyer> Which version of Ubuntu Studio are you using? (lsb_release -a)
[20:24] <darkad> yes I was wrong, that's my kernel
[20:25] <darkad> 18.04
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> Okay. The lowlatency kernel is installed and runs by default. What problems are you having?
[20:25] <darkad> I was wrong again
[20:25] <darkad> No LSB modules are available.
[20:25] <darkad> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[20:25] <darkad> Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.6 LTS
[20:25] <darkad> Release:	16.04
[20:25] <darkad> Codename:	xenial
[20:26] <Eickmeyer> Oh, you need to upgrade to 18.04 soon. 16.04 is end-of-life within the next month.
[20:26] <darkad> yes no problem
[20:27] <darkad> how can I test if the power pamanger is working correctly?
[20:27] <darkad> It doesn't give any alert on low battery
[20:27] <Eickmeyer> darkad: You might have to ask in #ubuntu. Our scope in this channel is limited to Ubuntu Studio-specific items.
[20:27] <darkad> but I can see the low batteery if I run the power-manager-statistics
[20:27] <Eickmeyer> But, try #xubuntu first. It's their desktop environment.
[20:28] <darkad> thanks
[20:28] <Eickmeyer> Like I said, though, you need to upgrade for better support.
[20:31] <darkad> It's an old thing,that should work also on 16.04, but thnks anyway
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> You're welcome. The problem is that 16.04 only has 1 month left of support, so people are going to tell you to upgrade and then try. Newer versions of software has bug fixes that might include bug fixes to power management.
[20:39] <darkad> I though it was an old and stable feature, but I'll take a look at specific package version for this new release. Thanks again
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> You have the wrong definition of stable. Stable does not mean bug-free. Stable means nothing in the distribution changes aside from security updates.
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> darkad: ^
[21:13] <studio-user578> hey folks . I cant get my volume hardware keys to work . They did at one point but stopped . I check pauvcontrol plugin icon and the enable volume hardware toggle is checked
[21:13] <studio-user578> any idears
[21:13] <studio-user578> ??
[21:14] <studio-user578> Didnt wanna create custom keyboard shortcut as they did work which means something borked . Just trying to fix .
[21:16] <studio-user578> restart didnt help
[21:26] <Guest30974> Lel
[21:26] <Guest30974> what a lively bunch
[21:29] <Guest30974> No helpy ?  Make volume hardware keys worky ?!
[21:31] <Guest30974> weird . all other keys work . brightness , backlit , airplane mode . Even multimedia playback keys . hmm
[21:31] <Guest30974> just not volume/mute
[21:32] <Guest30974> Hi :D   Lets be frenz
[21:36] <Eickmeyer> !support
[21:36] <Eickmeyer> !patience
[21:37] <Guest30974> restarted pavucontrol service didnt help ... whassamata u ?!   my keys no worky


[18:14] <mamarley> ricotz: I uploaded new builds of 340.102 with 4.11 and 4.12 support to https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages.


[03:00] <jalcine> alrighty what do we have here.
[03:00] <JoseeAntonioR> A pretty inactive channel.
[03:01] <jalcine> Can you invoke "/msg ChanServ flags #ubuntu-pe" ?
[03:01] <jalcine> That way, you could see who has the flags for the channel.
[03:01] <jalcine> If you get an permission error, then we might need to ping "nxvl"
[03:01] <jalcine> he's the one who set the topic by in 2008.
[03:02] <JoseeAntonioR> jalcine: Yep, I spoke to him before going to the ops, he was supposed to have flags acces, but he doesn't
[03:02] <JoseeAntonioR> One sec, let me check...
[03:03] <jalcine> That doesn't make sense.
[03:03] <jalcine> If he was able to set the topic, then he was an op here.
[03:03] <jalcine> Unless someone changed the flags.
[03:03] <JoseeAntonioR> Yep. That's the matter.
[03:04] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll try to start a meeting, and see if it changes the topis.
[03:04] <JoseeAntonioR> topic *
[03:04] <JoseeAntonioR> #meetingstart
[03:04] <JoseeAntonioR> Huh?
[03:04] <JoseeAntonioR> #startmeeting
[03:04] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[03:04] <jalcine> o.O
[03:04] <jalcine> #startmeeting
[03:04] <jalcine> lol
[03:05] <JoseeAntonioR> Oh, I forgot to load meetingology :P
[03:05] <jalcine> JoseBot: startmeeting
[03:05] <jalcine> That's its prefix?
[03:05] <JoseBot> jalcine: Error: "startmeeting" is not a valid command.
[03:05] <JoseeAntonioR> @load meetingology
[03:05] <JoseBot> JoseeAntonioR: The operation succeeded.
[03:05] <JoseeAntonioR> #startmeeting
[03:05] <JoseBot> Meeting started Sat Mar 17 03:05:35 2012 UTC.  The chair is JoseeAntonioR. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
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[03:05] <JoseeAntonioR> :)
[03:05]  * jalcine headdesks.
[03:05] <jalcine> lol
[03:06] <JoseeAntonioR> #topic Test
[03:06] <JoseeAntonioR> #meetingname Test
[03:06] <JoseBot> The meeting name has been set to 'test'
[03:06] <JoseeAntonioR> #endmeeting
[03:06] <JoseBot> Meeting ended Sat Mar 17 03:06:45 2012 UTC.
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[03:06] <jalcine> Hmm.
[03:06] <JoseeAntonioR> Nope, nothing. Flags haven't changed.
[03:06] <jalcine> #topic A topic
[03:07] <JoseeAntonioR> lol
[03:07] <JoseeAntonioR> #startmeeting
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[03:07] <JoseeAntonioR> #topic abc
[03:07] <JoseeAntonioR> #topic test
[03:07] <JoseeAntonioR> #endmeeting
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[03:07] <JoseeAntonioR> Nope, nothing. ]
[03:11] <JoseeAntonioR> jalcine: Seems like I have to wait for the ops, there's no other solution.
[03:11] <jalcine> Yeah :/
[16:55] <JoseeAntonioR> #startmeeting Test
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[16:55] <JoseeAntonioR> #topic Test
[16:56] <JoseeAntonioR> #topic Topic de prueba
[16:56] <JoseeAntonioR> #endmeeting
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[16:58] <JoseBot> JoseeAntonioR: Error: I need to be opped to op someone.
[16:59] <JoseeAntonioR> @op JoseBot
[16:59] <JoseBot> JoseeAntonioR: Error: I need to be opped to op someone.


[03:36] <Azeban> Hello hello hello. and good evening
[17:08] <Azeban> Hello hello hello.
[17:08] <Azeban> good afternoon


[02:50] <tsimonq2> Nope sorry no UOS for me. Scheduled on school days. :(
[04:26] <Mister_Q> tsimonq2 I've took 2 days off for it. may not work for you :(
[08:11] <dholbach> hey hey
[12:01] <tsimonq2> Mister_Q: Yeah I can't do that...
[12:01] <tsimonq2> o/ dholbach
[13:01] <dholbach> hey tsimonq2


[07:13] <elthommo> hello. I have what seems to be a bug with 14.04 and I was wondering if it was known...   My language input keeps changing. I only have standard UK keyboard on my list but I find I keep needing to reset it otherwise I get wrong characters when I type.
[10:11] <elthommo> Hello, has anybody else had a problem with regional keyboard settings not saving properly?
[10:11] <elthommo> This is on 14.04
[10:18] <darkxst> elthommo, not really sure what you mean! how can it change if you only have one layout configured?
[10:21] <elthommo> darkxst, I am not sure how it happens but on a reboot, the keyboard reverts to what I assume is US despite only having UK on the settings window. Simply adding a new keyboard layout and removing it again corrects the issue
[10:21] <darkxst> elthommo, ok, file a bug
[10:22] <elthommo> OK.
[10:22] <elthommo> Thanks.
[15:38] <matt444> Hi, my special function keys (volume up, volume down, print screen) are not working. Where should I look to see what the problem is?
[15:38] <matt444> The keyboard shortcuts are correct, maybe i'm missing a service?


[00:30] <dmcglone1> Hi everyone
[00:32] <canthus13> good morning.
[00:32] <Unit193> Hello dmcglone1
[00:32] <canthus13> Cheri703: how'd the boss take the counteroffer? :)
[00:33] <dmcglone1> Hopefully it's good news canthus13
[00:33] <Cheri703> ha, no response from female boss, male boss called asking "what's the least you'll take?" and telling me how female boss feels like she's been so generous providing vehicle and how "no one" has a vehicle provided, and blah blah
[00:34] <Cheri703> -_- I had to go so in theory going to be talking to them tonight/tomorrow
[00:34] <dmcglone1> tell em if they can afford to furnish the vehicle they can afford the gas for it
[00:35] <Cheri703> they said they don't have enough money, blah blah, some other stuff saying how I "only" do setup...which is not true...
[00:35] <canthus13> Heh.  Tell 'em to pay you enough extra to handle the payment on a new truck (Along with insurance and gas) over and above what you're asking and they can have their vehicle back. :)
[00:35] <Cheri703> I dunno, we'll see how much effort I give it
[00:35] <canthus13> Cheri703: Only do setup, since that's what they only pay you for.
[00:35] <dmcglone1> In my opinion, that's like an employee of mcdonalds having to pay the electric bill to cook the food
[00:35] <Cheri703> they said they were being so nice so I wouldn't have a payment, I said "if I'd bought my own car, a. I wouldn't have a payment, and b. I wouldn't have taken the job if I was going to be putting over 30,000 miles on my own vehicle in one year
[00:39] <Cheri703> so...we'll see. I'm going ahead with getting the truck cleaned tomorrow
[01:03]  * Cheri703 is stressed and meh tonight :/
[01:04] <Unit193> ice cream to relax?
[01:05] <Cheri703> hmmm.....actually a viable option, I have a ton of ice cream still
[01:05] <Cheri703> might go grab some in a bit
[01:15] <dmcglone1> bluejackets are playing
[01:16] <canthus13> Who?
[01:17] <canthus13> Oh. that 'hockey' team in Columbus. :P
[01:28] <dmcglone1> lol
[15:49]  * Cheri703 needs a proofreader
[15:57] <Cheri703> canthus13: around?
[18:23] <canthus13> Cheri703: I is now.
[18:23] <canthus13> :)
[18:38] <Cheri703> hey canthus13
[18:38]  * Cheri703 got a ridiculous reply to last email, just sent out another email -_-
[18:46]  * Cheri703 envies canthus13's job
[20:09] <canthus13> Cheri703: Lemme know if you wanna try for a job here. I'll definitely put in a good word for ya.
[21:08] <Cheri703_> canthus13: I appreciate that, I'll keep you posted, so far though we don't really want to move :/
[22:41] <Cheri703> OMFG
[22:53] <canthus13> Eh?
[22:54] <Cheri703> got a boss response.
[22:56] <canthus13> Oh?
[22:56] <Cheri703> check your pm
[22:58] <canthus13> uh. Wow.
[22:58] <canthus13> I'd be outta there.
[22:58] <Cheri703> yeah, monday I'll be getting the truck cleaned and returning it
[23:01] <Cheri703> insanity!
[23:03] <Unit193> Really not trying to pry.... is there anything you might say in the open?
[23:07] <canthus13> Cheri703: YOu could go rogue and poach their customers... you didn't sign a non-compete agreement...
[23:08] <canthus13> did you?
[23:08] <Cheri703> this is true, I will probably tell them I'm no longer with them, they're no longer willing to provide free support, and they can pay me to come out....
[23:08] <Cheri703> I don't have a car, but friends are willing to loan us theirs as needed
[23:08] <Cheri703> anyone have a car they don't want?
[23:08] <Cheri703> and want to give away?
[23:10] <canthus13> If I had one, it'd be yours... Unfortunately, we're driving around an old chevy celebrity we paid 500 bucks for. :(
[23:11] <Cheri703> well, thanks :) I appreciate the thought
[23:11] <Cheri703> that's probably about what we'll be looking at


[15:30] <ZandreBran> Hi guys, I was approved as a member at the latter meeting @ ubuntu:) Please could create my cloak?
[15:30] <ZandreBran> https://launchpad.net/~zandrebran
[15:32] <Pici> ZandreBran: Sure, let me grab a staffer to apply your cloak.
[15:32] <ZandreBran> I already have a cloak on freenode, I have a problem?
[15:32] <Pici> ZandreBran: No problem at all.
[15:33] <ZandreBran> Pici, thanks.
[15:38] <Pici> ZandreBran: Congrats!, you're all set.
[15:43] <ZandreBran> Pici, :)
[17:23]  * erUSUL just wasted a few minutes finding out that devicekit-disks is now udisks
[17:23] <erUSUL> what a bunch of @#½¬€ðđ
[19:39] <DarkNemesis> anyone in germany here?
[19:40] <DarkNemesis> i need a hand looking after german ubuntu users and require a tweet in german put together
[19:42] <guntbert> DarkNemesis: german is my first language - what exactly do you need?
[19:45] <DarkNemesis> umm i accidentally annoyed an op in #ubuntu-de i was trying to tell people about http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/10349596.stm dr ubani - who was struck off here in the uk but banned the media from reporting the case in his native country of germany, where he still practices as a gp
[19:45] <DarkNemesis> so, i wan to put together a tweet to alert germans to the case
[19:47] <guntbert> DarkNemesis: thats *very* off topic for all ubuntu channels
[19:49] <DarkNemesis> but exceptional circumstances no? and it is todo with ubuntu in that ubuntu breaks boundries and barriers to impower people
[19:50] <guntbert> DarkNemesis: not here please -- and not with me
[20:09] <Tm_T> agreed, no such offtopic to ubuntu channels, I'm sure there's plenty of other places to share this kind of information
[22:05] <tonyyarusso> Hi, we seem to have lost our ubotu instance in #ubuntu-us-mn.  Could someone put it back please?
[22:34] <rww> jussi, tsimpson: re: lubotu1 ^^
[22:36] <tsimpson> lubotu1: join #ubuntu-us-mn
[22:36] <tsimpson> tonyyarusso: it should be there now
[22:37] <tonyyarusso> ty


[03:33] <shay_shay> after an update my etc/resolv.conf is empty
[03:34] <shay_shay> and i try reconnection to my DHCP provider (which is dnsmasq) on different essid and even by cat5 patch cable
[03:34] <shay_shay> and it wont populate the dns address automatically
[03:35] <shay_shay> it works on all other devices in the house so I believe it is a utipic issue as this is the only system with utopic on it. any troubleshooting tips?
[03:35] <shay_shay> s/utipic/utopic
[06:56] <shay_shay> TJ-: https://www.dropbox.com/s/aad2211f1ckl9jd/IMG_20140916_235452.jpg?dl=0
[06:57] <shay_shay> This is with upstart options --debug --verbose
[06:58] <TJ-> shay_shay: I'd suspect the radeon message is pretty bad
[07:00] <shay_shay> Its always done that
[07:00] <shay_shay> Its been doing that for years... Coincidence I think
[07:00] <shay_shay> You don't think?
[07:01] <shay_shay> I'm wondering what's after it
[07:01] <shay_shay> How can I determine the order of upstart scripts?
[07:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:08] <lordievader> shay_shay: Is that the last message you see? The one about the radeon?
[07:08] <shay_shay> yes
[07:09] <lordievader> shay_shay: Do you run a radeon?
[07:09] <shay_shay> yes
[07:09] <shay_shay> its always done that its because the card is proprietary apple versio
[07:09] <lordievader> shay_shay: Looks to me like the driver fails to load the proper firmware and then gives up.
[07:11] <elfy> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22312#c10
[07:12] <elfy> also bug 1315944 if you want to me too it
[07:16] <shay_shay> Well I got the message to go away by adding this:i915.modeset=0 radeon.modeset=0
[07:17] <shay_shay> Still stuck same spot
[07:19] <shay_shay> Like I said, that message must be a coincidence
[07:19] <shay_shay>  i'm on kernel 3.15.9 and have been for almost a month
[07:21] <lordievader> !info linux-image-generic utopic
[07:21] <shay_shay> I was getting deadlocks on 3.16
[07:22] <shay_shay> 3.15.9 was the latest kernel without deadlocks
[07:22] <shay_shay> I can try the main kernel again hold on
[07:22] <shay_shay> I still have it installed
[07:23] <lordievader> Your deadlock might be related to this problem.
[07:28] <shay_shay> Is it okay to use .efi.signed kernel without the efi shim?
[07:32] <shay_shay> Well.. I hate to reinstall and have it work fine
[07:32] <shay_shay> It wouldn't be very educational
[07:34] <shay_shay> It definitely gets stuck in a different place for this kernel
[07:34] <shay_shay> Much earlier in the boot sequence it seems
[07:52] <shay_shay> Gonna try this lol: for pkg in `dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}' | egrep -v '(dpkg|apt|mysql|mythtv)'` ; do apt-get -y --force-yes install --reinstall $pkg ; done
[07:53] <shay_shay> Bigger hammer method
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:56] <yeats> this is probably in an FAQ somewhere, but will 14.10 be using systemd?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> yeats, yes
[13:59] <yeats> BluesKaj: thanks
[13:59] <BluesKaj> fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your pov
[14:07] <yeats> BluesKaj: yeah, just want to start using it to get the experience, since I've never used it much
[14:14] <BluesKaj> if you installed the latest build then you probly already have systemd, yeats
[14:14] <BluesKaj> or upgraded
[14:16] <yeats> installing 14.10 in a vm now
[19:25] <lordievader> Is it my setup or a bug that NFS mounts are trying to be mounted before there is a network connection available?
[19:27] <lordievader> Also, both upstart and systemd are installed on my machine, you guessed it, what is actively being used?
[19:29] <BluesKaj> lordievader, why do we need both? i have the same
[19:30] <lordievader> I have no idea, hence the question. I think the init of upstart is still used though.
[19:32] <BluesKaj> I've heard bad things about systemd
[19:43] <ikonia> lordievader: how do you know systemd is installed
[19:43] <ikonia> lordievader: there is one dependency needed for udev, but it's not actually systemd
[19:43] <ikonia> are you sure it is systemd the agent/daemon thats installed ?
[19:46] <lordievader> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8367125/ Is what made me wonder.
[19:47] <lordievader> ikonia: I have no idea if that is the by now famous systemd init system. That is why I started asking here.
[19:47] <ikonia> so that certainly looks like it's the full init system
[19:47] <ikonia> is the systemd process pid 0
[19:47] <ikonia> or pid 1 I should say
[19:48] <BluesKaj> ikonia, muon here shows sytem and systemd-shim installed
[19:48] <BluesKaj> err systemd
[19:48] <lordievader> ikonia: Pid 1 is /sbin/init
[19:48] <ikonia> lordievader: ......
[19:48] <lordievader> So it's still upstart?
[19:48] <ikonia> certainly looks that way, but then why is the rest of the systemd stuff there
[19:49] <ikonia> (part of it has to be for udev and dbus etc)
[19:49] <lordievader> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8367133/ are processes with systemd in their name.
[19:50] <rww> so systemd isn't PID1.
[19:50] <ikonia> cool, so thats not systemd
[19:50] <ikonia> thats still upstart
[19:50] <ikonia> that's just the udev stuff I mentioned earlier
[19:50] <rww> (and I expect systemd is co-installable with upstart, so that's not particularly confusing)
[19:50] <lordievader> ikonia: Great, thanks for the clarification :)
[19:50] <rww> I'd be interested in what package(s) are depending on the systemd package, though.
[19:51] <ikonia> rww: it is, but the packages list lordievader posted seems a bit full on for the dependency stuff for udev
[19:51] <rww> it is, hence my interest
[19:51] <BluesKaj> ikonia, what's your opinion of systemd, some blogs say it's restrictive and goes against open source development. Is this true?
[19:51] <rww> (aptitude why systemd would do it on aptitude. i have no idea how to do it in other apt stuff)
[19:52] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I don't think it goes agaist opensource, I think it's a beast that someones created to "beat the desktop war",
[19:52] <ikonia> I saw no problem with legacy methods, but the truth is udev and other stuff now need it, so like it or not, it's not going away
[19:52] <ikonia> RHEL has commented to it for 12 years, so it's here
[19:52] <BluesKaj> poettering is the name I heard
[19:52] <ikonia> quicker we accept it and make it work well, the better it will be
[19:52] <lordievader> Reverse dependecies of systemd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8367153/
[19:52] <ikonia> BluesKaj: ah the open letter then
[19:53] <lordievader> Udev is among them.
[19:53] <BluesKaj> yes
[19:53] <lordievader> rww: Reverse dependencies with apt: apt-cache rdepends <package-name>
[19:53] <rww> that's depends, not just recommends? huh.
[19:53] <ikonia> so basically the udev stuff is pulling in the systemd agent but not configuring it for use
[19:53] <rww> seems a bit excessive, but maybe I'm too used to older versions of systemd-shim etc.
[19:53] <ikonia> this is going to be a mess
[19:53] <rww> why?
[19:54] <ikonia> rww: it is excessive
[19:54] <ikonia> looks like %70 of systemd is pulled in, but not actually using systemd
[19:54] <rww> well, if we didn't want useless cruft in our packages, we'd be using Gentoo and USE flags ;)
[19:55] <rww> as long as it's not running, *shrug*
[19:55] <ikonia> rww: more confusing and technically messy, as opposed to a problem
[19:55] <BluesKaj> so systemd is just sitting there lurking , but not doing anything?
[19:55] <rww> ikonia: yeah, I'm with you on that
[19:55] <rww> lol "lurking"
[19:56] <ikonia> BluesKaj: pretty much yes, not doing anything as an init system but certainly interfacing with udev
[19:56] <ikonia> (and a few other intergrated services)
[19:56] <BluesKaj> rww, yeah waiting to pounce and muck things up :)
[19:56] <ikonia> BluesKaj: it actually works very well, so don't fear it, but it's also a handful to manage
[19:57] <rww> BluesKaj: for what it's worth, systemd *is* PID 1 on all of my gear, and works fine, and has since Debian stable was Debian testing
[19:57] <rww> hence me not noticing dependency creep, apparently
[19:58] <BluesKaj> rww, ikonia , so why all the fear mongering on the forums ?
[19:58] <rww> the political war around systemd probably isn't on-topic for #ubuntu+1, but in general it's just that, a political war
[19:58] <ikonia> BluesKaj: it's pretty long winded to go into
[19:58] <rww> also, that ^
[19:59] <BluesKaj> it's on topic if 14.10 is going to use it
[19:59] <rww> It doesn't use it, it (apparently) installs it.
[20:00] <rww> and I'm strongly considering booting up a 14.10 daily and aptituding around until I figure out why it's doing that
[20:00] <rww> and the political drama surrounding $package isn't on-topic for a support channel
[20:01] <BluesKaj> i watched it install a while back during an upgrade and apt and muon both show it as installed
[20:01] <ikonia> I didn't think systemd was a target for 14.10
[20:01] <rww> ikonia: systemd as PID1 is not a target for 14.10
[20:01] <ikonia> good
[20:01] <rww> dependencies of systemd-shim: http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/systemd-shim don't include systemd, so I wonder what that's about
[20:01] <ikonia> I thought not
[20:02] <ikonia> rww: it's the udev stuff that's pulled it in from what I'm reading
[20:02] <ikonia> udev and logind
[20:02] <ikonia> BluesKaj: 14.10 won't use systemd - so don't worry
[20:02] <ikonia> BluesKaj: think of it as a few libraries ready for when it comes online
[20:03] <rww> ikonia: http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/udev
[20:03] <BluesKaj> ok ikonia, thanks
[20:03] <ikonia> thats a surprise rww
[20:04] <rww> not really, just means I'm not going crazy, which we all knew ;)
[20:04] <ikonia> although.....
[20:04] <rww> but yeah, I'd want aptitude why output. there's a reason I don't use apt-*, it's confusing as heck
[20:04] <ikonia> so udev is now part of the systemd "source" package, so I wonder if thats causing a bit of name confusion
[20:05] <rww> possibly.
[20:05] <ikonia> I can't be bothered tonight, but I will check it out, as I'm curious
[20:06] <BluesKaj> well, it's been a long day, these old eyes need a rest... later folks
[21:28] <kbroulik> is anyone working on the gdb issue "Got object file from memory but can't read symbols: File truncated"? makes debugging and proper bug reporting impossible if you cannot get any backtraces :)


[06:38] <saeed> Hi Canonicals, any idea what is the linaro about? will that project maintain a kernel of its own?
[07:06] <DanaG> My big gripe with ARM stuff: no open graphics.
[07:06] <DanaG> If AMD would make an ARM + Radeon thing, that would be pure win.
[08:20] <cwillu> a royalty free distribution with sgx would probably make sgx defacto redistributable
[08:52] <jufer> where i can get the rootstock source lists ?
[08:55] <jufer> where i can get the rootstock source lists ?


[13:29] <billf> Nivex: I didn't know about that - but then I don't have SSD yet :-(  https://sites.google.com/site/lightrush/random-1/howtoconfigureext4toenabletrimforssdsonubuntu
[13:31] <Nivex> One of the articles said performance can actually degrade with TRIM in some instances, especially when a bunch of deletes are going on
[13:31] <Nivex> I was kind of liking his suggestion of dropping fstrim in something like a cron.weekly
[13:32] <billf> I want to know where btrfs is at these days
[13:32] <holstein> i think btrfs is better al the time
[13:32] <holstein> all*
[13:32] <holstein> i want zfs :)
[13:32] <holstein> i want to try f2fs too http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE5OTY
[13:34] <billf> this might be a dumb question, which fs can checksum the file and periodically recheck the crc to detect bitrot ?
[13:35] <holstein> zfs has some nice features i would like to have
[13:35] <holstein> billf: any of these on an open system can, if you care to implement it
[13:36] <billf> yeah, of course.
[13:36] <holstein> does a 1 "rot" into a 0 ;)
[13:36] <holstein> or the other way around?
[13:36] <holstein> i dont think my hardware is smart enough to "rot"
[13:36] <billf> depends on the media type. flash generally rots to a '1'
[13:37] <billf> I need to try out git-annex http://git-annex.branchable.com/git-annex/


[03:30] <duanedesign> evening all
[07:13] <ubunuser> I have to sync Tomboy Notes between office and home but Dropbox/UbuntuOne are blocked in office. What can I do get my notes syncing? I have a shared/linux webhosting account.
[07:23] <rye_> ubunuser, well, if you have an SSH account then you could redirect ports and use your web host, something like ssh -L443:one.ubuntu.com:443 and then point tomboy to https://localhost:443/notes/ for syncing purposes
[07:23] <duanedesign> could be your compsny is behhind a proxy
[07:24] <ubunuser> rye_: I tried but it fails to connect.
[07:24] <rye_> ubunuser, tomboy or ssh?
[07:25] <ubunuser> rye_: ssh
[07:26] <ubunuser> rye_: Tomboy-Online is not blocked but I do not have an account there. Is there anyway I can install Snowy or some other application that I can use to sync my notes. As my domain name is not blocked, nor the IP.
[07:27] <rye_> ubunuser, hm, you maywant to look at connect-proxy if you are indeed behind proxy
[07:27] <rye_> ubunuser, unfortunately i don't know much about Snowy to recommend anything
[07:28] <duanedesign> good toread you rye hoping the sprint has been going wekk?
[07:28] <ubunuser> rye_: I tried https://sync.omnigroup.com/USERNAME for syncing. A free webdav account but it didn't work. Thanks anyway. I will see if sth comes can be done.
[07:29] <rye_> duanedesign, yep, it is going really good
[07:29] <rye_> duanedesign, it is breakfast time so i better run to be in time for the start of the day
[07:30] <duanedesign> :)
[07:30] <duanedesign> ok i miss my daily questions
[07:30] <duanedesign> :)
[07:31] <duanedesign>  ut duty calls
[07:31] <duanedesign> s.ut/but
[07:31] <rye_> hm, ubunuser, so one.ubuntu.com web site is blocked you say?
[07:31] <ubunuser> rye_: yes
[07:31] <duanedesign> i had a simiolar bug report
[07:32] <rye_> ubunuser, is https://edge.one.ubuntu.com accessible? :)
[07:33] <duanedesign> 792956
[07:33] <rye_> bug 792956
[07:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 792956 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "ubuntuone cannot sync files, it tries and after some times it get disconnected (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792956
[07:33] <duanedesign> rhough this was a couple days ago
[07:34] <duanedesign> looking at his logs it is constant disconnects
[07:34] <rye_> duanedesign, yes, it may have been the downtime
[07:34] <ubunuser> rye_: Yes, it is and I had account too. The password stopped working and I do not know where to look for retrieving that. I had accessed it once.
[07:35] <rye_> ubunuser, it uses the same credentials as the main one.ubuntu.com host, so that would be login.ubuntu.com where you will want to set up passwords. if you use https://edge.one.ubuntu.com it may work. That host gets the newest code first and some tests are running on that so that it may break for small periods of time
[07:37] <rye_> ok, i should really run now
[07:37] <duanedesign> have nice lunch
[07:39] <ubunuser> rye_:  https://edge.one.ubuntu.com blocked too. Sorry, I saw the "edge" as the sub domain and  thought it's tomboy-online.org. sorry. It's blocked too.
[07:44] <duanedesign> ubunuser: ubunuser have you tried thede insytructions? The Tomboy requires a seperate token.I often name it U1)tomboy) to prevent confusion
[07:44] <duanedesign> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials/Notes#Ubuntu%252010.10%2520%2528Maverick%2529
[08:51] <rye_> back
[09:27] <duanedesign> rye_: this seems like a nessita bug?
[09:27] <duanedesign> and pooh there nessita is
[09:27] <duanedesign> bug 794520
[09:28] <rye_> duanedesign, i may have skipped the previous discussion
[09:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 794520 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) ""File publish" dialog should be Gtk+ MessageBox, not notification bubble (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/794520
[09:28] <rye_> ah
[09:28] <nessita> hello duanedesign!
[09:28] <rye_> nessita, hello, nessita :)
[09:28] <nessita> :-)
[09:28] <duanedesign> i though nessita worked onthe control panel Ui stuff?
[09:31] <duanedesign> thought I gt=et nessita and ralsina mixed up. Nessita we met at UDS-N, yes?
[09:32] <nessita> duanedesign: yes! I'm the one that looks like a girl
[09:32] <rye_> direct access to couchdb.one.ubuntu.com for first shard is now disabled
[09:32] <rye_> this broke my http://notes.rtg.in.ua :(
[09:32] <nessita> duanedesign: and ralsina is the one that has a bear and looks like a boy
[09:32] <duanedesign> :)
[09:32] <nessita> duanedesign: so, what's the issue?
[09:32] <duanedesign> got it now
[09:33] <duanedesign> File publish" dialog should be Gtk+ MessageBox, not the notification
[09:33] <duanedesign> - bubble
[09:35] <duanedesign> nessita: was not even sure if that was valid, Was looking for some one with a bit more expertice on that section of the programm
[09:40] <nessita> duanedesign: well, if the reporter means that there should be a dialog instead of the bubble notification, then no. Because no UI can popup dialogs unles is extremely needed.
[09:40] <nessita> duanedesign: want me to answer that?
[09:45] <nessita> (in the bug)
[09:59] <duanedesign> nessita: if you have a second. Otherwise i wll do it when i get back. If you arw busy no worries. thanks for the help
[11:30] <Apacheuk> hello all, quick question.... is it possible to turn off sync on a folder per machine? for instance I don't want my second laptop to sync music from UbuntuOne store, but my other machines I want this to happen?
[11:35] <Apacheuk> machine I want to turn off sync'ing is running 10.04
[12:16] <ManoloMtnez> Hello everyone
[12:16] <ManoloMtnez> Trying to sync Tomboy notes, it sort of forces me to add a new computer
[12:17] <ManoloMtnez> How can I tell Tomboy that I wish to use the already registered device?
[12:17] <ManoloMtnez> thx
[12:39] <jussi> Has anyone any idea when joshuahoover will be online again?
[13:51] <CardinalFang> karni, 1986streamingupdownZbGacAbFBFdDCEFcfJCHFJAHJceaABFFH8295
[13:51] <CardinalFang> karni, X-Bzr-Revision-Number: 4066
[13:54] <karni> urbanape: CardinalFang: no logs yet, but somebody's already syncing oopses so maybe in a moment
[13:56] <urbanape> I am
[13:58] <karni> :)
[16:23] <jml> hi
[16:23] <jml> I'm trying to use Ubuntu One on 11.04
[16:24] <jml> When I click "I already have an account!" on the welcome page, it appears to think for a while and then show me the welcome page again.
[16:27] <duanedesign> jml: what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[16:27] <jml> duanedesign: 11.04
[16:27] <duanedesign> let me testlocally
[16:29] <jml> ooh. something flashes up really quickly about a file sync error (and then reverts back to the welcome page)
[16:29] <jml> but only sometimes. e.g. when I open up Ubuntu one from the messaging menu
[16:31] <jml> I think the error is AUTH_FAILED. Hard to tell since it goes away very quickly.
[16:34] <duanedesign> jml: can you open the dash, ckicking the ubuntu logo top left
[16:34] <jml> yes
[16:34] <duanedesign> type:    passw
[16:35] <duanedesign> OPEN PASSWORF AND ENCRYPTION KEYS\
[16:35] <duanedesign> sorry about caps
[16:36] <jml> done
[16:37] <duanedesign> unlock the default password folder
[16:37] <duanedesign> right click and unlock
[16:37] <jml> done
[16:37] <duanedesign> look for Ubuntu One token
[16:38] <jml> found it
[16:38] <go8765432> hello/ can anybody help me please with ubuntu one? i have the same problem http://askubuntu.com/questions/41876/authentication-failure-wont-resolve
[16:39] <duanedesign> jml:  ok clode the Ubuntu One Control Panwl
[16:39] <jml> duanedesign: already closed.
[16:39] <duanedesign> ok and now delete the token
[16:39] <duanedesign> r-cligk delete
[16:40] <jml> done
[16:40] <duanedesign> jml: now close password and encryption keys
[16:41] <duanedesign> and open Ubuntu One and reauthorize your computer jml
[16:41] <jml> \o/
[16:41] <jml> Now I'm getting through to the next page, but still seeing "File Sync error. (auth failed (AUTH_FAILED))" at the top
[16:42] <jml> but restarting seems to work
[16:43] <duanedesign> jml: let me check the status page to see if their is no currnt outage
[16:43] <jml> duanedesign: already checked.
[16:45] <jml> is there a way to find others users of Ubuntu One and see their public files?
[16:54] <nigelb> hrm, no rockstar :(
[16:55]  * nigelb looks elsewhere
[17:09] <go8765432> can anybody help me with my ubuntu one authorization?
[17:12] <go8765432> i see this message when i try to authoriuzate in ubuntu one client http://askubuntu.com/questions/41876/authentication-failure-wont-resolve
[20:39] <vadi2> What does 'ValueError: badly formed hexadecimal UUID string' exactly mean when using the u1 command line tool to publish?
[20:40] <vadi2> See full error here: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/403651/
[20:40] <vadi2> It works fine when I republish, but not the first time around. Rather... problematic.
[20:56] <duanedesign> rye_: ping
[21:19] <rye_> duanedesign, pong
[22:16] <duanedesign> msg rye_: i am putting together a litte sheet showing all the diferrent peices to U1 and their functuion. Kind of help me a bit. Rhen I am don in a day or to would  you review it for me (if you hsve time)
[22:16] <duanedesign> s/Rhen I am don/When I am done


[00:43] <thekorn> bdmurray, sure
[00:43] <thekorn> oh, it's actually a post mortem ACK ;)
[00:43] <bdmurray> thekorn: yeah, I found the irclog of when we talked about it earlier ;-)
[00:44] <thekorn> bdmurray, thanks for doing all the house keeping here
[07:01] <Damascene> good morning
[07:01] <Damascene> does any one get stack when go to guest session and then chose switch user?
[08:06] <Damascene> any help with guest session problem?
[08:06] <kklimonda> Damascene: define "stack"
[08:06] <Damascene> user > guest session >switch> user = crash
[08:06] <kklimonda> it works fine here
[08:06] <Damascene> stuck maybe :)
[08:06] <Damascene> user > guest session >switch(don't close)> user = crash
[08:08] <Damascene> I mean stuck not crash
[08:08] <kklimonda> of course it almost never restores the screen when I switch users for me - I have to type xgamma -gamma 1.0 blindly
[08:08] <kklimonda> s/for me//
[08:08] <Damascene> really?
[08:08] <Damascene> so it's known?
[08:08] <kklimonda> sure
[08:09] <kklimonda> at least if you have the same problem :)
[08:09] <Damascene> no need to report then. it's already reported. right?
[08:09] <kklimonda> no idea, check bug 555870
[08:09] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 555870 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Gamma values are not being set properly after a second fade out resulting in a black screen (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/555870
[08:09] <kklimonda> but it's not going to get fixed probably
[08:09] <Damascene> why?
[08:10] <kklimonda> because we lack manpower
[08:10] <Damascene> it should be disabled then
[08:10] <kklimonda> it's not broken for everybody
[08:10] <kklimonda> half of the reason why it's not getting fixed
[08:10] <Damascene> mmm
[08:12] <Damascene> that bug does not seem related
[08:12] <Damascene> I'll try to switch user now
[08:14] <Damascene> strange now it didn't happen
[08:14] <Damascene> only happens sometimes maybe
[09:28] <om26er> Its seems like gnome bug watches are now enabled. Good thing
[09:30] <nigelb> om26er, except for the mail floor
[09:30] <nigelb> *flood
[09:30] <nigelb> it got enabled yday
[09:47] <om26er> nigelb, ah, was not here. The advantage here is now I dont have to subscribe to all upstream bug reports.
[09:48] <nigelb> ah
[12:00] <ombra> hi, i've found on my ubuntu 9.10 exactly this bug: http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/08/17/gnome-power-manager-and-blanking-removal-of-bodges/
[12:14] <jfi> Hello, I have registered 2 bugs few days ago that I no more reproduced since I update my lucid ubuntu. I guess the bug status should be changed, maybe a triager can quickly take a look?
[12:14] <jfi> bug #558759
[12:14] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 558759 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "Freeze when using "File>Save markings as" (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/558759
[12:14] <jfi> bug #546136
[12:14] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 546136 in udev (Ubuntu) "Removable storage device not detected as block device (affects: 4) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546136
[12:33] <bencrisford> jfi: so the bugs do not affect you in lucid?
[12:34] <jfi> bencrisford, I confirm that the 2 bugs do not affect me (since I updated my lucid this morning)
[12:35] <bencrisford> jfi: oh, ok i see, if they affect an earlier build but no longer affect anything then i *think* it should be invalid
[12:35] <bencrisford> however, if it still affects karmic (or earlier)
[12:35] <jfi> bencrisford, #546136  does not affect karmic
[12:36] <bencrisford> ok
[12:36] <jfi> I have a computer under karmic and my usb drive is ok
[12:36] <jfi> the bug has been introduced during lucid alpha
[12:36] <bencrisford> ok, im not sure what the status should be to be honest, i misunderstood and thought you meant that since you upgraded from karmic it has stopped affecting you
[12:36] <bencrisford> i understand now
[12:37] <bencrisford> but like i say, im not sure
[12:37]  * bencrisford tries to find an appropriate wiki page
[12:37] <kermiac> if a bug is fixed in lucid but still an issue for karmic it should be "fix released"
[12:37] <kermiac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[12:37] <jfi> kermiac: that's not my case, let me resume it:)
[12:37] <jfi> karmic: no bug
[12:38] <jfi> lucid alpha and beta: bug
[12:38] <jfi> uptodate lucid (this morning): no bug
[12:38] <kermiac> for both or just 546136?
[12:38] <jfi> for #546136
[12:38] <jfi> I did not test the other issue on karmic
[12:40] <kermiac> 546136 should be fix released if the issue is not present in karmic
[12:40] <jfi> Ok, I did the test of 558759 on karmic and I don't reproduce it
[12:40] <kermiac> is not present in lucid
[12:41] <kermiac> 546136 should be fix released if the issue was present in karmic but is not present in lucid
[12:42] <kermiac> 558759 should be invalid if you can't reproduce & it wan't fixed by an update. just explain that you can no longer reproduce & it may have been a configuration issue
[12:43] <jfi> ok, thanks for the explanation kermiac
[12:44] <kermiac> np jfi. the wiki page I linked above has all the relevant info regarding bug status :)
[12:51] <jfi> nice way to say 'rtfm' :-)
[12:51] <kermiac> jfi: nice explanation on the bug reports :)
[12:53] <kermiac> well, I wan't exactly trying to say rtfm... I just thought the wiki page would come in handy for future reference ;)
[12:55] <yofel> new info on bug 504956, any JS hackers here that actually understand that? ^^
[12:55] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 504956 in launchpad-gm-scripts "partially hidden comment in bug report (affects: 6) (dups: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/504956
[12:56] <nigelbabu> yofel, for now, avoid highlighting
[13:00] <yofel> I know, it's disabled here, but it sure would be nice to have it working...
[13:00] <nigelbabu> oh, that way :)
[14:15] <mdevenish> Anyone else having problems with the latest version of gwibber (<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1) and displaying messages from twitter, bug #565250
[14:15] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 565250 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "Gwibber doesn't display messages (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/565250
[14:18] <nigelbabu> mdevenish, can try deleting your account and adding again?
[14:22] <mdevenish> nigelbabu: tried that, but still have same problem. Tried refresh, but still doesn't work.
[14:28] <nigelbabu> mdevenish, please set the bug to confirmed and also add that you've tried deleting your twitter account and adding back
[14:33] <mdevenish> nigelbabu: ok, done that.
[14:33] <nigelbabu> mdevenish, thank you.  someone should get to it on monday or so
[14:56] <shadeslayer> hi,is there a app to triage bugs? i dont like opening my web browser :P
[14:57] <shadeslayer> something apart from bughugger as its not working here
[17:34] <MichealHForums> .away
[18:35] <Tiibiidii> last week i tried upgrading my wubi install to lucid... unfortunately it broke, i tried to find a solution asking around to no avail... in the end i decided to file a bug report... but, even if i never did it before, now i'm giving up trying to fix it and will instead do it the quick and dirty way: reinstalling ubuntu... the problem is:
[18:36] <Tiibiidii> my bug report is only a summary of what i did, what it happened to me and what i tried... without any file attached whatsoever
[18:37] <Tiibiidii> (usually i always use ubuntu-bug to collect these, but i obviously couldn't do that with an unbootable system)
[18:37] <mccolgan> that's an interesting predicament :-/
[18:38] <Tiibiidii> so, before reinstalling i'm going to at least provide some hopefully useful files
[18:38] <Tiibiidii> aside from grub.cfg, what should i fetch from my dead system?
[18:39] <Tiibiidii> (ah, yes... it's a grub2 bug afaik... didn't mention that before)
[18:51] <Tiibiidii> as of now, i've only found this page concerning debugging the boot process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot unfortunately  it's only referring to kernel bugs
[18:52] <jpds> Tiibiidii: Oh that.
[18:53] <jpds> Tiibiidii: I think that's because grub2 can't read beyond a certain number of bits.
[18:53] <Tiibiidii> mhn, i don't think that's the problem
[18:53] <Tiibiidii> that was a karmic bug
[18:53] <Tiibiidii> in lucid it's been solved
[18:53] <jpds> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/477104
[18:53] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 477104 in lupin (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 6 other projects) "After 9.10 grub update can not boot into Wubi install (affects: 162) (dups: 11) (heat: 834)" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[18:53] <Tiibiidii> yesyes
[18:53] <Tiibiidii> that's the very reason i decided to upgrade early to lucid :D
[18:54] <jpds> Oh right, sorry.
[18:54] <Tiibiidii> (trust me, even a grub2 dev believed that was the issue... and i went all the way to check the version provided with lucid... it doesn't have that issue anymore)
[18:54] <Tiibiidii> nope
[18:55] <Tiibiidii> but do you know what files could be useful to debugging/triaging it?
[18:55] <Tiibiidii> (aside from grub.cfg)
[18:57] <jpds> No, I personally don't use Wubi.
[18:58] <Tiibiidii> ok, thanks anyway
[19:00] <Tiibiidii> (i'll attach the output of lspci, not sure if it'll help... the kernel never kicks in, so maybe that's not truly relevant)
[21:21] <incorrect> can i ask if i have a bug to report here?


[07:18] <pZombie> hello friends
[07:18] <hemimaniac> o/
[07:19] <pZombie> can anyone help me with setting lxpanel in the background so windows can go over it?
[07:19] <pZombie> i replaced openbox with jwm though
[07:20] <pZombie> i did not set anything in jwm related to the lxpanel, so i am not sure why it sets itself above everything else
[07:20] <pZombie> i thought the window manager is supposed to handle which windows get which layer
[07:21] <hemimaniac> right click panel > panel settings > advanced tab > automatic hiding
[07:21] <pZombie> no, i don't want it to hide
[07:22] <pZombie> i want it to be visible at all times, but when i move a window above it, the window to cover it
[07:22] <hemimaniac> sorry pZombie all i had
[07:22] <pZombie> i tried un-checking "make window managers treat the panel as dock" but it seems to ignore that with jwm
[07:23] <pZombie> hemimaniac if you uncheck this on your side, (given you did not mess with the default windows manager), does it allow windows to go above?
[07:25] <hemimaniac> nope i didn't, as im happy with the panel hiding till i drag the mouse down
[07:25] <pZombie> i am not asking if you did :D
[07:25] <pZombie> i am asking if when you uncheck it, it would allow windows to go above
[07:26] <pZombie> as in, can you try and report?
[07:28] <hemimaniac> it still goes to the hide default
[11:57] <camilia> JUST KIDDING jk^
[12:06] <camilia> aloha
[16:26] <Thedarkb> I'm having trouble mounting a USB floppy drive
[16:26] <Thedarkb> Error mounting /dev/sdb at /media/beno/disk: Command-line `mount -t "auto" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid" "/dev/sdb" "/media/beno/disk"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: /media/beno/disk: can't read superblock on /dev/sdb.
[16:47] <lili> hi all
[16:48] <lili> i don't know what version  of lubutu install for old eee pc pacarbell. 32 or 64 ?
[16:50] <leszek> old old eeepc 701 32bit
[16:50] <leszek> pacardbell depends on which hardware is in it
[17:11] <Thedarkb> lili, How old is your computer?
[17:13] <lili> i dont now. i recherche now
[17:17] <Thedarkb> lili, Do you know what processor is in it?
[17:24] <lili> i dont know use vista for know this infomation
[17:25] <lili> were i can see that on vista.
[17:26] <lili> ok i find it
[17:28] <Thedarkb> lili, system properties
[17:28] <lili> amd athlon(tm) processor L110 1.20 GHz
[17:28] <lili> ram 1 Go
[17:29] <lili> it's old?
[17:31] <lili> 32bit for this good idea? or 64 is possible?
[17:31] <wxl> if it's 64 bit capable, use 64 bit
[17:32] <lili> i dont know if it's 64bit capable.
[17:33] <wxl> in c:\windows, is there a \system and a \system32?
[17:33] <Thedarkb> wxl, That doesn't mean anything.
[17:34] <wxl> Thedarkb: afaik, you don't get the \system32 unless you've got wow, which you'd only have if you had 64 bit
[17:34] <Thedarkb> wxl, System32 has been a thing since windows 95
[17:34] <Thedarkb> Well, technically Windows 3.11
[17:34] <wxl> it's a question of both
[17:34] <Thedarkb> You get both on every version of windows
[17:35] <wxl> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/15056/windows-7-32-64-bit-faq
[17:36] <lili> i dont want instal a windows on but a lubutu
[17:36] <wxl> but you're on windows, no?
[17:36] <lili> y
[17:36] <wxl> and you're trying to figure out whether or not to do 32 or 64 bit lubuntu, no?
[17:36] <lili> y
[17:36] <wxl> so ^^^ there's your instructions to use windows to find out whether or not you're 64 bit capable
[17:36] <wxl> if you are, get 64 bit
[17:36] <wxl> if you're not, get 32 bit
[17:38] <lili> ok thanks i must moove
[17:38] <Thedarkb> lili, wait
[17:39] <Thedarkb> lili, It supports 64 bit.
[17:39] <Thedarkb> The Athlon L110 is a 64 bit chip
[18:06] <parhelia> wow, an L110
[18:06] <parhelia> the only machines to use that CPU were some "netbook" subnotebooks from Gateway and Packard Bell
[18:07] <Thedarkb> Honestly, I'd just use TinyCore linux on those.
[18:07] <parhelia> no idea why they were calling it an "Eee PC" ...
[18:07] <Thedarkb> Their english isn't great.
[18:07] <Thedarkb> What do you think I should put on a T41p?
[18:07] <Thedarkb> IBM t41p
[18:07] <Thedarkb> Think Lubuntu's light enough?
[18:08] <parhelia> I'd think so
[18:08] <Thedarkb> My X40 struggles with LXDE
[18:08] <Thedarkb> But I like openbox so that's not a big deal
[18:09] <Thedarkb> I run openbox with fbpanel on that.
[21:40] <Mead> hello,  I'm looking for a distro to run on a Atom + ION nettop that I want to do simple web browsing, play media, and act as gateway for a stub network (wifi connecting to AP as client, then run a nat gateway w/ dhcp through the ethernet port).  Will lubuntu be able to get this done?


[19:27] <Neo31> Hello I am having problems receiving loco-contacts mailing : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6308157/
[19:29] <JanC> sounds like you're already subscribed, but the mails get lost before you receive them?
[19:29] <JanC> did you check your spam folders?
[19:30] <JanC> and maybe complain to your mail ISP?
[19:30] <Neo31> yes JanC
[19:31] <Neo31> I am using ubuntu.com email that redirects to gmail
[19:31] <JanC> oh, and in case you use GMail and you don't receive your own mails to the list: that's "by design"
[19:31] <JanC> morons at Google think that's a feature
[19:31] <Neo31> I do not receive any email from anyone JanC
[19:31] <JanC> in that case, it might be a spam filter issue, or maybe a forwarding issue?
[19:32] <Neo31> forwarding works fine for other mailing lists, but not for loco-contacts
[19:33] <JanC> maybe ask in #canonical-sysadmins if they can check if they get any errors on such mails (and/or send a mail to their ticket tracker, as listed in the topic of that channel)
[19:34] <JanC> Neo31: oh, and check if your mailing list subscription isn't set to suspended
[19:35] <Neo31> ok JanC thank you :)
[19:35] <JanC> Mailman allows you to be subscribed but not receive mails, which it might be set too if e.g. mails bounced for a long period
[19:35] <Neo31> how can i check if it is set to suspended JanC ?
[19:35] <Neo31> ok
[19:35] <Neo31> maybe i can try to unsubscribe and subscribe again!
[19:35] <Neo31> :)
[19:35] <JanC> if you can login on the mailman page
[19:36] <JanC> or ask whomever is list admin currently
[19:36] <JanC> (should be listed on the mailman page too)
[19:48] <Neo31> i have unsubscribed and subscribed again JanC , I think I missed the confirmation email when my mailing was under maintenance
[19:51] <Neo31> one last thing, our local community is trying to start a university club with the name Ubuntu in it "IUC short for Insat Ubuntu Club" could be there a problem using "Ubuntu" in the name? and where should I ask for confirmation?
[19:52] <JanC> as long as IUC promotes Ubuntu without making any profit, there should be no issue AFAIK
[19:53] <JanC> I mean, making a bit of money that is re-invested into promoting Ubuntu is fine, making private profit from it isn't
[19:53] <skellat> Neo31: Greetings from a member of LoCo Council
[19:53] <Neo31> hello skellat :)
[19:53] <skellat> Neo31: The correct place to send that question is through this form -- https://forms.canonical.com/trademark/
[19:54] <JanC> skellat: there are existing rules about using the trademark too (forgot where they are)
[19:55] <JanC> that form is mostly for commercial use of the trademark IIRC
[19:55] <skellat> JanC: I'm trying to dig them up now.  We just had to send somebody else off to contact the legal team yesterday.
[19:56] <skellat> The trademark policy got renamed to Intellectual Property Rights Policy apparently
[19:56] <skellat> And can now be found here: http://www.canonical.com/intellectual-property-policy
[19:56] <Neo31> yes JanC the club applies with all community rules and has some LoCo team members (the others will join later) our loco team is still discussing the topic and we might agree on partnership and the use of the name if there are no problems for canonical
[19:57] <Neo31> thank you skellat for the information
[19:57] <skellat> Neo31: Check the policy and if uncertain ping legal via the form
[19:57] <JanC> it doesn't help tat Canonical removed all the community stuff from the front of ubuntu.com...  :-(
[19:57] <Neo31> the president of the club have already submitted a request! I would prefer to restart the request as the loco contact of the team to make sure everything is fine
[19:58] <skellat> Neo31: Go for it
[19:58] <Neo31> sure I will skellat, thank you
[19:58] <Neo31> :)
[19:58] <JanC> skellat: maybe re-adding community to that front page is something for you (loco council) to pursue  :)
[19:59] <skellat> JanC: It is in the top right corner for me in Firefox
[19:59] <skellat> Menu line of Ubuntu, Community, Ask!, Developer, etc.
[20:00] <JanC> ugh, I suppose that needs some cross-site scripting stuff... :-(
[20:00] <JanC> *sigh*
[20:01] <skellat> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10262013-040019pm.php
[20:01] <JanC> yeah, I can enable it
[20:01] <JanC> it's a possible security issue  :p
[20:01] <JanC> but whatever
[20:03] <skellat> JanC: Ping me direct with an e-mail on that issue<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:03] <skellat> I'll see what can be done
[20:07] <Neo31> skellat, can I follow up the club topic with you if there are some important news or if something is not going fine?
[20:07] <jose><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is your best bet if you have any probs
[20:07] <skellat> Neo31: Send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>so all 6 of us are looped in.
[20:07] <jose> any of us will respond asap
[20:08] <Neo31> great :)
[20:08] <Neo31> thank you skellat and jose :)
[21:22] <Pinguim> Ola pessoal, estou baixando o ubnt 13.10...parece ser muito bom :)
[21:24] <Pinguim> tudo certo?