[00:00] <Jack_Sparrow> You dislike all of that?
[00:00]  * Flannel has no idea what one would do for four days at Comic Con
[00:01] <Jack_Sparrow> I have no idea.. but I have the option of leaving any time
[00:04]  * nalioth grumbles
[00:05] <Jack_Sparrow> Behave...
[02:22] <Pici> And the floodbots have reached normality.
[04:31] <Flannel> jussio1: you talk to whomever regarding the btlogin thing yet?
[04:31]  * Flannel supposes he should just look to see if its still broken.
[04:38] <bazhang> its fixed
[04:39] <Flannel> @btlogin
[04:39] <Flannel> no its not
[04:39] <Flannel> but its just me, because I'm special.
[04:40]  * Flannel was put into the DB with a capitalized name for some reason.
[04:40] <bazhang> it was fixed; must have been re-broken
[04:40] <Flannel> bazhang: no, mine was never fixed.
[04:40] <bazhang> works for me
[04:40] <Flannel> unless it was fixed this afternoon,
[04:40] <bazhang> yesterday my time
[04:40] <Flannel> yes.  You wouldn't have the problem, because you're not in the user DB with a capital letter
[04:41] <bazhang> aha
[04:47]  * nickrud thinks someone might be sending a message. What message is the question
[04:47] <nickrud> @btlogin
[04:48] <Flannel> nickrud: The code to verify (before last night's changes) didn't convert to lowercase first, so by fixing that bug, we discovered another one (that it allows you to enter into the DB sans lowercase)
[04:48] <nalioth> Code Fourty-Seven!
[04:49] <nickrud> Flannel that is too prosaic an explanation, I prefer conspiracy ;)
[04:49] <bazhang> lockdown!
[04:49] <Flannel> nickrud: well, conspiracy is good too.
[04:50]  * nickrud has been lurking on websites that are pickling his brain
[04:51] <Flannel> nickrud: I think that's a vulnerability in your browser if websites can pick at your brain
[04:52] <nickrud> no, I have little but native defense against things like http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html
[04:52] <nalioth> which one of you wants ops in #defocus ?
[04:54]  * bazhang defocuses nickrud
[04:54]  * Flannel has no idea what #defocus is.
[04:55] <nalioth> Flannel: you don't?  :0
[04:55] <nickrud> Flannel http://freenode.net/pounddefocus.shtml
[04:56] <bazhang> nalioth> which one of you wants ops in #defocus ? <--me points to nickrud
[04:57] <bazhang> heh
[04:57] <nickrud> you see him here, you see him there, you see him everywhere, but where you point
[04:57] <bazhang> nice exit timing :)
[05:13] <Flannel> Randomest people.  I've tried to talk to someone about going afk and gotten no response a few days ago, then today the same, I kick him and he immediately jumps up and says he hasn't had time to fix it but will do it right now.
[05:15] <bazhang> gardar is really bad about that
[05:18] <bazhang> no bot in #defocus?
[05:27] <nalioth> bazhang: no bots in #defocus
[05:27] <bazhang> nalioth, aha
[07:27] <jussi01> hrm.. can anyone see a problem with this as a ban mask ? *!*@gateway/tor/*!#ubuntu-proxy-users
[07:29] <jussi01> ahh nvm, its fine :)
[07:30]  * jussi01 hides from nalioth so he _never_ ever gets ops in defocus - that has to be the scariest placeto have ops...
[07:30] <jussi01> :P
[07:41] <jpds> And right now has two nicks which are the same person talking to each other.
[07:49] <nalioth> so bust 'em
[08:21] <Tm_T> hi kids
[08:40] <Myrtti> moin
[10:55] <bazhang> @banlog kirk #ubuntu
[10:56] <gnomefreak> it doesnt say who banned him :(
[10:56]  * gnomefreak not really here just happened to be pasing by
[10:56] <gnomefreak> passing
[11:03] <bazhang> think it is the first name
[11:03] <bazhang> @banlog Mr_Bad_News
[11:03] <bazhang> hmm guess not
[11:17] <elkbuntu> @banlog <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:17] <elkbuntu> @banlog @<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:17]  * elkbuntu stabs ubottu
[11:17] <bazhang> ubottu *smack*
[11:17] <elkbuntu> please tell me it's not limited to nicks
[11:18] <bazhang> cant recall
[11:18] <bazhang> just read the email the one time :)
[11:18] <bazhang> yup; nick only
[11:19] <jussi01> elkbuntu: as I understand it, its is limited to nicks at this time - when stdin gets back...
[11:19] <bazhang> http://paste.ubuntu.com/29566/ elkbuntu
[11:25] <bazhang> the email ^^
[11:39] <Myrtti> omnomnomnom?
[11:52] <Seeker`> om nom nom nom nom
[11:52] <TheSheep> kame hame ha
[11:58] <Myrtti> apparently things are pretty well in Ubuntu universe
[11:58] <Myrtti> atleast I feel like it
[12:01] <Myrtti> in compared to http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2008/07/mixed-stuff-fonts-photos-games.html
[12:03] <bazhang> wow talk about creepy
[12:17] <Pici> uh
[12:50] <bazhang> amews_aj
[12:51] <Pici> I know.
[12:53] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, eww. to be honest that's even creepier than the wet tshirt photo
[12:54] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: yup
[12:55] <elkbuntu> i wonder if guys realise that a fair number of women who wear hideously short skirts like that do so because it's uniform for wherever they work
[12:55] <elkbuntu> must be delightful to not have to choose between dignity and well, dignity
[12:56] <elkbuntu> gah, indignity*
[12:56] <Pici> Regardless of why someone wears that, its pretty tasteless to post a picture entitled 'upskirt' on a syndicated blog.
[12:56] <Pici> Anyway, breakfast.
[12:56] <elkbuntu> Pici, damn straight
[12:56] <elkbuntu> but 'she deserves it becuase she's not covered up' is foul
[12:57] <elkbuntu> like, what else does she 'deserve'
[12:57] <elkbuntu> ugh
[12:57]  * elkbuntu ceases before she goes too far from the CoC
[12:57] <elkbuntu> mmm... i think popcorn will cure me of this ail
[12:57] <gnomefreak> anyone feel like working?
[12:58] <elkbuntu> on?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> ill give you the command to run you just need to find out what is wrong with date and time
[12:59] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: making a tbird-3.0 tarball
[12:59] <elkbuntu> eh?
[12:59] <elkbuntu> ooh. i had to abandon tb this evening because starting all my filters from scratch was not working. at all.
[12:59] <elkbuntu> previously fine filters were failing :(
[12:59]  * gnomefreak wonders if i have day and month backwards
[12:59] <elkbuntu> depends on your locale
[13:00] <gnomefreak> i havent even started my filters other than junk ones but i have to make some for mailinglists bugs ect..
[13:00] <elkbuntu> you mean tb3 has mailing list filters :D
[13:01] <elkbuntu> it's the reason i've run to evo :(
[13:02] <dmseg> scince iam unable to get ubotu source code so is it possible for ubotu to join a requested channel?
[13:02] <Myrtti> since when have you been unable to get ubottu source code?
[13:02] <Myrtti> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[13:03] <dmseg> Myrtti: that page, i cannot go trough it or find a link if you could assist me please?
[13:04] <elkbuntu> if you cant find a link on that page, then the sourcecode is going to be out of your level of comprehension anyway
[13:05] <dmseg> elkbuntu: may i suggest you help rather than commenting please (if it is possible for you) i have to go now bye
[13:05] <Myrtti> it's one click and one copy paste to a terminal away
[13:05] <elkbuntu> lawl
[13:05] <Myrtti> meh.
[13:06]  * elkbuntu does not chase geese
[13:06]  * elkbuntu picks the non-burned popcorns out of her popcorn :(
[13:07]  * Myrtti yawnsighs
[13:09]  * gnomefreak thinks hes becoming a pain
[13:09] <elkbuntu> no, he's beyond 'becoming'
[13:09]  * Myrtti doesn't comment
[13:51] <Myrtti> MEH.
[13:56]  * Mez pokes Myrtti
[13:57]  * Myrtti is poked
[13:57] <Mez> :)
[13:57]  * Pici wonders why hes getting pokes on digg all of a sudden from people
[13:58]  * Myrtti tosses a ball of socks at Mez
[13:59]  * Mez chuckles :D
[13:59]  * Mez prepares a release
[14:00]  * Myrtti pokes Pici with a Big British Pencil of Poking
[14:16] <jpds> !opendus
[14:16] <jpds> !opendns
[14:16] <Pici> aaughhh
[14:16] <jpds> !opendns is <reply>To set up OpenDNS in Ubuntu, see https://www.opendns.com/start?device=ubuntu
[14:17]  * Myrtti blinks
[14:17] <jpds> Pici: What's up?
[14:17] <Pici> Just normal $user stuff
[14:17] <Pici> Just needed to vent
[14:37] <Pici> I need to do some work, so I can't watch #ubuntu, /me wanders off
[15:23] <nickrud> madafaka <-- borderline nick?
[15:23] <bazhang> he was calling me that; in #kubuntu now
[15:23] <nickrud> nice pass ;)
[15:24] <bazhang> heh
[15:25] <nickrud> bazhang you're from taiwan, right?
[15:25] <bazhang> nickrud, live here, yes
[15:25] <nickrud> bazhang ah. I was thinking that your command of english slang was awesome for a non-native speaker, this explains much ;)
[15:26] <bazhang> nickrud, the kids in taiwan these watch mucho english tv :)
[15:27] <nickrud> ok, I am really out. Time to prep for work. See you later bazhang
[15:27] <bazhang> muff_divr  family friendly?
[15:27] <Pici> I think thats a problem, people don't really talk like they do on TV.
[15:27] <bazhang> nickrud, cya :)
[15:28] <bazhang> Pici, though few here know that :)
[15:29]  * bazhang is reluctant to help those with such risque names
[15:48] <Jack_Sparrow> bazhang See if he is reluctant to changing it..
[15:50] <bazhang> Jack_Sparrow, he seems to have quit
[15:50] <bazhang> will catch him next time :)
[15:50] <Jack_Sparrow> np  and morning
[15:53] <bazhang> hi :)
[16:05] <jussi01> !ccsm
[16:05] <jussi01> !-ccsm
[16:05] <jussi01> !no, ccsm is <reply>To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager' or 'simple-ccsm'. If you install the latter, a new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[16:06] <jussi01> !ccsm
[16:06] <jussi01> better...
[16:06] <bazhang> much
[16:36] <Jack_Sparrow> baz what is the command for glx-gears..
[16:36] <Jack_Sparrow> bazhang  what is the command for glx-gears..
[16:37] <bazhang> glxgears Jack_Sparrow
[16:37] <Pici> glxgears
[16:37] <Jack_Sparrow> ty
[16:39] <Jack_Sparrow> I have nvidia 6600 and I do not have nvidia-glx installed ...  I get 5500 fps and games seem to work fine.  What am I missing.  I am trying to write a tutorial and my mind is blurry
[16:39] <Jack_Sparrow> bazhang
[16:41] <bazhang> I'm not one to clear fuzzy thinking :) , glxgears needs the opengl correct? is that available in the non-proprietary driver Jack_Sparrow ?
[16:42] <Jack_Sparrow> I am currently on a gutsy box with restricted drivers enabled but not the binary driver installed.  everything is fine with how it is.  but it says clearly tha glx isnt installed
[16:43] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: are you sure you dont have the proprietry driver installed?
[16:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Ill let you know what all I find out
[16:43] <bazhang> restricted=proprietary?
[16:43] <Jack_Sparrow> jussi01 I dont remember installing it
[16:43] <Jack_Sparrow> trying to define restricted vs the latest from nvidia site
[16:44] <bazhang> aha
[16:44]  * bazhang uses envyng-gtk
[16:44] <jussi01> restricted==binary from repos
[16:44] <Jack_Sparrow> not the latest from nv.. but surely restricted have been enabled
[16:44] <Jack_Sparrow> jussi01 correct
[16:44] <jussi01> glxgears wont even work with the basic nv drivers
[16:45] <Jack_Sparrow> so when is nvidia-glx or -legacy or new needed?
[16:45] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: they are the restricted drivers
[16:45] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: thats what is installed when you install through jokey
[16:45] <jussi01> as far as I understand it...
[16:46] <Jack_Sparrow> I just installed nvidia-glx and got a jump of 500fps to 5650 or so
[16:46] <Jack_Sparrow> what is jokey
[16:47] <jussi01> !info jokey-gtk
[16:47] <jussi01> !find jokey
[16:47] <bazhang> phew
[16:47] <jussi01> damn, I never remember the correct name
[16:47] <bazhang> jockey-gtk?
[16:47] <jussi01> yeah'
[16:47] <jussi01> !info jockey-gtk
[16:48] <Jack_Sparrow> not much difference even after I took out nvidia-glx
[16:48] <bazhang> jokey would be a nice nick but it is registered
[16:48] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: jockey is the thing that pops up on a new install saying - your device needs binary drivers, do you want to install them
[16:49] <Jack_Sparrow> jussi01 ah.. this is gutsy box atm.. I dont use the hardy box;s much
[16:49] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: ahh, restricted drivers manager or something similar
[16:50] <Jack_Sparrow> I am personally not having issuses, just trying to build a better help for thise wishing to install the latest binary drivers
[16:51] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: and the wiki page is no good?
[16:51] <jussi01> !ati | Jack_Sparrow
[16:51] <Jack_Sparrow> jussi01 still see too many people having problems with it
[17:26] <Myrtti> I've got a bad feeling about where the discussion is going to progress to at -ot
[17:27]  * Pici blinks
[17:27] <bazhang> asus-tek
[17:27] <Pici> yes
[17:28] <Pici> I dont even know what to say in there
[18:03] <Myrtti> LOL
[18:03] <Myrtti><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:15] <Pici> ompaul: not that you seem to be falling for it, but dmacnutt appears to have a pretty strong grasp of the english language.
[20:15] <ompaul> I know
[20:15] <ompaul> and is using a US isp
[20:17] <ompaul> wrong word I think in #ubuntu
[21:23]  * Myrtti yawns
[21:24] <Myrtti> hiya unca ompaul
[21:45]  * Myrtti feels left out, sulks.
[22:06] <Seeker`> lo Myrtti
[22:07] <Myrtti> lo Seeker`
[22:07] <Seeker`> enjoy your trip to england?
[22:08] <Myrtti> very much :->
[22:12] <Dave2> (she just liked having new people to torture)
[22:14] <Mez> Dave2, ;)
[22:14] <Mez> Dave2, did she torture you?
[22:15] <Dave2> On the Sunday night. On Saturday it wasn't torture. *nod*
[22:16]  * Myrtti comments not on which nights she was a torture
[22:16] <Mez> how *did* she torture you
[22:18] <Seeker`> Mez: You aren't old enough
[22:19]  * Myrtti chuckles
[22:19]  * Seeker` is old tomorrow
[22:20] <Mez> really Seeker` ? how so?
[22:20] <Myrtti> correct me if I'm wrong, but Dave2 to my knowledge is younger than Mez
[22:20] <Myrtti> and right I was, according to Facebook
[22:21] <Mez> haha - mine was too slow loading
[22:23] <Seeker`> Mez: how so what?
[22:23] <Mez> how am I too young
[22:26] <Seeker`> dunno
[22:27] <Seeker`> it was meant to be a joke
[22:27]  * ompaul wanders around behind Myrtti and says cloud berry boooooo
[22:27] <Dave2> o_O
[22:28] <Myrtti> ompaul: enjoyed your ice cream?
[22:28] <Myrtti> :-P
[22:28] <ompaul> Myrtti, I drank it with the angry dpl in the middle of the night on Saturday
[22:28] <Myrtti> nickweb: haha
[22:28] <Myrtti> äch
[22:28] <Myrtti> ompaul: haha
[22:29] <ompaul> Myrtti, he and I got so angry we rang a guy in Ireland
[22:29] <ompaul> and said hello
[22:29] <ompaul> and it turned out he was having his angry birthday party in a pub at that hour so all was fun
[22:30] <ompaul> etc etc etc
[22:30] <ompaul> all good clean angry fun
[22:30] <Mez> angry dpl?
[22:31] <Mez> debian project leader?
[22:31] <Dave2> yus
[22:31] <ompaul> Mez,  I hate to say it, google it
[22:31]  * Mez wants to try the cloudberry liquor, but havent tried it yet
[22:31] <Dave2> one would assume so.
[22:31] <ompaul> he never was the dpl
[22:31] <ompaul> he was the angry dpl
[22:31] <ompaul> heheh
[22:31] <ompaul> MG
[22:32] <ompaul> not Steve who was far too sensible and was driving around
[22:32] <Dave2> *mjg
[22:32] <ompaul> Steve is the dpl
[22:32] <ompaul> 59
[22:32] <Myrtti> mjg ♥
[22:32] <Mez> http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/DPL < - ?
[22:32] <ompaul> Myrtti, he now knows what cloudberry is
[22:32] <ompaul> Mez, but that is not the angry one ;-)
[22:33] <Mez> ompaul, Im not in with the in jokes
[22:33] <ompaul> Mez, in the pm you see joke explained :)
[22:33] <Mez> ompaul, which id just found on google
[22:34] <ompaul> ahh
[22:34] <Myrtti> numnumnum
[22:34] <Myrtti> cherry juice
[22:34]  * Mez cracks open the cloudberry liquor and sniffs
[22:34] <Mez> smells nice


[00:10] <Shawn|C2Duo> any active users of usbip?
[00:10] <Shawn|C2Duo> *USB/IP
[07:15] <jer_> katebash?
[11:36] <f76> Hey folks. I'm giving the new Lubuntu Next a spin but I can't seem to turn off screen blanking, even when a full screen app is running. How would I go about fixing this?
[11:37] <tsimonq2> f76: First of all, that image is extremely experimental :)
[11:37] <tsimonq2> f76: But nevertheless I'll try to give you a hand
[11:38] <f76> it's actually holding up pretty well.
[11:38] <tsimonq2> f76: What do you mean by "screen blanking"?
[11:38] <tsimonq2> Oh cool :)
[11:38] <f76> It turns off the screen after 10 minutes.
[11:38] <f76> Just a blank screen.
[11:38] <tsimonq2> Oh, interesting.
[11:38] <f76> It's not a big deal, but the control panel settings don't seem to affect it.
[11:39] <tsimonq2> f76: Try looking in Power Management settings
[11:39] <f76> I've set idle to be at 600 minutes, but that hasn't worked.
[11:40] <tsimonq2> Weird.
[12:01] <f76> I think an update might have fixed it. If I turn off the idle watcher it seems to stay on now. It still doesn't seem to disable it for fullscreen apps, but that's par for the course for an alpha build.
[12:03] <f76> Looks like it's going to be a really nice distro overall.
[12:19] <f76> dang it turned off at 10 minutes again
[12:20] <f76> I'll see if the xfce-power-manager package can help
[13:14] <f76> Ok, it seems that the xfce power manager isn't helping here. I could use some assistance if it's around.
[13:33] <tsimonq2> f76: Send an email to the lubuntu-devel mailing list :)
[13:33] <tsimonq2> f76: I have to get some sleep, but there are people on there who are more than willing to help :)
[13:34] <tsimonq2> (including me :P)
[18:31] <freelancerbob> hi guys need help with my broken USB and testdisk
[23:22] <l-tu> Hello gentleman
[23:22] <l-tu> how you doing  today
[23:22] <l-tu> :)
[23:33] <wxl> l-tu: well, we're not all gentlemen.
[23:33] <l-tu> Sorry
[23:33] <l-tu> Ladies and genlemans
[23:33] <l-tu> <3
[23:36] <wxl> did you need something?
[23:38] <l-tu> Yes got it fixed
[23:39] <l-tu> haha


[01:09] <BigWig> Hello, I have a laptop with a 4965agn wireless card. It's having trouble finding any networks,  I've searched the forums and found no solution to my problem. Can anyone help?
[07:32] <stack___> Hi, I created a branch using git checkout -b heenamahour/gsoc I am unable to push .The ssh key is synched by kde-sysadmin .  http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=F5qgNr85  http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=kysmzLrS  Please provide some suggestions :/ http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=h7nBxjV2
[09:59] <nu11s37> anyone around ?
[10:00] <smartboyhw> Hello nu11s37
[10:00] <smartboyhw> What can we help you?
[10:00] <nu11s37> I was installing kubuntu-restricted-extra
[10:00] <smartboyhw> nu11s37, yep
[10:00] <nu11s37> the msttf license agreement screen came
[10:00] <nu11s37> I hit enter
[10:00] <nu11s37> nothing happened
[10:00] <nu11s37> I closed the terminal
[10:00] <smartboyhw> nu11s37, yep
[10:00] <smartboyhw> nu11s37, em?
[10:01] <nu11s37> now it is locked
[10:01] <nu11s37> I think the process quit before releasing lock
[10:01] <smartboyhw> nu11s37, I think you need to wait for the sudo lock to disappear
[10:01] <smartboyhw> Probably 15 minutes.
[10:01] <smartboyhw> nu11s37, I'm not sure but I thought space is the key you should use instead of "enter"
[10:02] <nu11s37> It's y
[10:02] <nu11s37> found it later
[10:02] <nu11s37> lol
[10:02] <smartboyhw> nu11s37, lol
[10:02] <smartboyhw> :)
[10:09] <Dudalus> i think the last friday update broke my network connection..
[10:10] <gits1225> and my desktop
[10:10] <gits1225> There is no taskbar after the update
[10:10] <gits1225> and various other visual glitches
[10:11] <Dudalus> hehe...the 13.04 looks a bit buggy (sorry for these hard words), but dualscreen installation does not work, suspend on desktop/notbook don't work. And now the thing with the internet connection (I can reproduce the problem with a fresh installation and updating to the latest version)
[10:11] <gits1225> Well, I am on 12.04 LTS
[10:11] <gits1225> ...
[10:12] <Dudalus> My plan is to go back to 12.10 but I cannot download the image (Just irc and music webstream work - http(s) connections don't)
[10:13] <gits1225> After 1 hour of fine tuning various stuff here and there, yay update! doh, stuff broke <3
[10:13] <armin> Dudalus: have you analyzed the problem?
[10:15] <Dudalus> armin yes and no. I made a few traceroutes, but I am still on it. After the last friday update the network connection broke (not all, just some parts). Today I installed a fresh 13.04 x64 (everything worked) and updated - resulting in a broken network connection
[10:16] <armin> Dudalus: sounds VERY strange.
[10:16] <Dudalus> the network works fine (we have 11 12.10 and 12.04 computers)
[10:16] <smartboyhw> Dudalus, 11!?
[10:16] <smartboyhw> ;O
[10:16] <armin> Dudalus: but really, try to pin down the problem, could be *anything* from your description.
[10:16] <smartboyhw> Dudalus, try to list out what you have updated by pasting to paste.kde.org
[10:16] <armin> Dudalus: and "doesn't work" really is a bad starting poing to fix issues.
[10:17] <Dudalus> armin: Yes, it's my plan, because I have to upgrade the systems to 13.04
[10:17] <armin> Dudalus: so if you can play network streams the network connection isn't broken at all.
[10:18] <yossarianuk> is there a release schedule for kde 4.10.4 in kubuntu 13.04 ?
[10:19] <smartboyhw> yossarianuk, soon I think....
[10:19] <smartboyhw> Be patient:)
[10:19] <smartboyhw> BTW we haven't yet?
[10:19]  * smartboyhw checks
[10:19] <yossarianuk> its 4.10.3 att he min
[10:20] <smartboyhw> yossarianuk, use the Kubuntu Updates PPA.
[10:20] <smartboyhw> We didn't SRU it this time.
[10:20] <smartboyhw> See www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.10.4
[10:20] <yossarianuk> is it comming to the normal repos ?
[10:21] <smartboyhw> yossarianuk, probably not.....
[10:21] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, why aren't we SRUing 4.10.4 this time?
[10:22] <shadeslayer> everyone's too busy with 4.11 maybe?
[10:22] <shadeslayer> maybe yofel can do the needful when he's back
[10:22] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yeah probably:)
[10:22] <yossarianuk> so its not coming at all to 13.04 ?
[10:22] <smartboyhw> yossarianuk, use the kubuntu-updates PPA.
[10:23] <yossarianuk> (in normal updates?)
[10:23] <yossarianuk> ok will do
[10:23] <shadeslayer> yossarianuk: we're just busy with 4.11 at the moment
[10:23] <yossarianuk> thanks
[10:23] <smartboyhw> yossarianuk, let's see...
[10:23] <shadeslayer> which is why 4.10.4 got overlooked
[10:23] <shadeslayer> thanks for the reminder
[10:23] <yossarianuk> appartanly there are quite a few kwin speed ups
[10:23] <yossarianuk> for intel/amd h/w
[10:23] <yossarianuk> (according to people in reddit at least)
[10:24] <smartboyhw> yossarianuk, :)
[10:25] <yossarianuk> running it on arch anyway (it does seem slightly fastyer but I have nvidia h/w so was fast anyway..)
[10:27] <yossarianuk> I think kubuntu should start doing a rolling release for the kDE packages... (not the base just the desktop)
[10:27] <yossarianuk> (and the nvidia package)
[10:27] <armin> that wouldn't make sense at all
[10:27] <armin> and arch has some major problems with doing so, especially with kde.
[10:27] <yossarianuk> each versio of kde is better than the last
[10:28] <armin> bullshit.
[10:28] <yossarianuk> it doesn;t make sense not to have the latest nvidia driver
[10:28] <armin> every new version of software fixes bugs and also introduces new ones.
[10:28] <yossarianuk> the version shipped on ubuntu has known bugs (fixed in later versions) and doesn;t support new hardware
[10:28] <armin> just get over it.
[10:28] <yossarianuk> with nvidia though its not like ubuntu devs can fix it
[10:29] <armin> you defocus the downsides of rolling releases.
[10:31] <yossarianuk> hmmm in my experience over the last 6 years rolling release distros have 'less issues'....
[10:31] <yossarianuk> with nvidia its just insane not to.
[10:31] <yossarianuk> its not more stable to ship an older driver - with known bugs in.
[10:32] <yossarianuk> anyway
[10:32] <yossarianuk> cheers
[10:33] <yossarianuk> p.s - I have gone to the bother of making latest nvidia driver in a ppa (this paa doesn;t update any other package)
[10:33] <yossarianuk> https://launchpad.net/~morgancoxuk/+archive/nvidia-319-ubuntu-13.04
[10:34] <armin> yossarianuk: well i'm using both, rolling release and release cycle. i've been using arch for 4 years now and still use ubuntu, since over a decade. all i can safely say is that my experience differs from yours, a lot.
[10:34] <smartboyhw> yossarianuk, eh hum I don't think Kubuntu developers like rolling distros:P
[10:34] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu wants it but receives quite a number of objections (I'm one of them)
[10:35] <armin> yossarianuk: where i really have to agree with you is that we shouldn't compare the stability of an ubuntu or debian based system with arch.
[10:35] <armin> yossarianuk: because arch really is a tinkering distro.
[10:36] <armin> and don't get me wrong, my wardrobe still has 3 different arch shirts in it.
[10:36] <Dudalus> armin: You remember me to order an arch coffee mug ;)
[10:36] <armin> :)
[10:37] <armin> we're the first ones to have arch shirts with 2-coloured plush prints and huge oversized arch A logo on the back though, which i'm slightly proud of. :)
[10:39] <Dudalus> hehe...I cannot wear something like this. I am the only linux user in our class  :/
[10:41] <yossarianuk> I just think that there is little reason not to do a rolling release for nvidia
[10:41] <yossarianuk> even the experimental packages are out of date.
[10:42] <smartboyhw> yossarianuk, graphics are always the worst thing in Ubuntu.
[10:50] <xiaopi[z]> hi i can't acces my iphone from dolphin (but working fine with nautilus), on kubuntu 13.04, any idea ?
[11:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:57] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:59] <bendersteed> hi lordievader
[15:59] <lordievader> Hey bendersteed, how are you?
[16:00] <bendersteed> fine, i have a very heavy exam program, i'm studying math and now i take a break
[16:01] <bendersteed> i had to spit it out, u?
[16:01] <lordievader> I'm doing good :)
[16:01] <lordievader> Trying to debug a Python problem.
[16:07] <bendersteed> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13830355/hahahahah6.jpg
[16:07] <bendersteed> just a screenshot
[16:07] <lordievader> Looks nice ;)
[16:08] <bendersteed> thnx
[16:43] <thingol_> hi everyone, i've got a few troubles i hope some of you can help me fix
[16:43] <thingol_> first of all i' m having troubles with my wireless card
[16:44] <thingol_> when i try to use wpa_supplicant it says "ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument"
[16:44] <thingol_> where can i dig for insights on what's wrong and why it doesn't like it ?
[17:19] <ArgentuM> hello_...
[17:20] <bendersteed> ArgentuM: hi
[17:22] <ArgentuM> very quiet room huh?
[17:22] <ArgentuM> hl bender
[17:23] <ArgentuM> ive started tryed Kubuntu  from esterdy, newbbie on linnux >(
[17:23] <FOAD> You can do it.
[17:24] <bendersteed> welcome, i consider myself a noob as well
[17:24] <ArgentuM> was testing Linux  Mint 15
[17:24] <bendersteed> although using linux gor about 6 years
[17:25] <bendersteed>  there isn't better de than kde imho
[17:25] <bendersteed> everything is so nicely integrated
[17:25] <ArgentuM> starting to think the same :D
[17:26] <ArgentuM> where r u from bender?
[17:26] <bendersteed> greece, athens
[17:26] <bendersteed> u?
[17:26] <ArgentuM> Argentina, Buenos Aires
[17:27] <ArgentuM> kubuntu room is so much quiet...
[17:27] <bendersteed> well, because this is a support channel lets take that to kubuntu-offtopic
[17:28] <ArgentuM> mmm... this is the only room I can see...
[17:28] <bendersteed> just type /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[18:00] <ArgentuM> are there good games on linux? ppl always say linux is not for games, only to work
[18:01] <FOAD> People are right.
[18:01] <ArgentuM> so I should stay on Windows to have fun _
[18:01] <FOAD> Not saying that.
[18:02] <lordievader> ArgentuM: There is a collection of games for Linux, however the number is lower than on Windows.
[18:02] <ArgentuM> i hope Steam can change that
[18:02] <lordievader> As many with you do.
[18:05] <ArgentuM> i only played Open Arena and similar games. Sometimes I see on youtube ppl playing windows games over wine but im having problems trying to run Aimp so forget about games i say to myseelf
[18:07] <ArgentuM> welcome welco welcome
[18:12] <ArgentuM> i like kubuntu anyway, so ill install it today
[18:14] <lordievader> :)
[18:16] <ArgentuM> :/
[18:24] <ArgentuM> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[19:14] <nescius> hello! menus are not showing up in gtk applications (only really tested is firefox) under 13.04 and kde 4.10.3 with proprietary nvidia drivers, did anyone saw that issue?
[19:16] <nescius> sorry, its only firefox and thunderbird with issues, inkscape works with no issues at all
[19:17] <bendersteed> nescius: do you use appmenu menubar?
[19:18] <adam6806_> hi all!
[19:18] <adam6806_> Does anyone have any knowledge about audio?
[19:19] <adam6806_> I am in need of some assistance trying to do some recording.
[19:20] <bendersteed> audacity or kwave may be handy to you
[19:20] <adam6806_> I'm doing multitrack recording using a program called jokosher
[19:21] <bendersteed> Well i can't help, i've just done some recordings for podcasts etc
[19:30] <BluesKaj> adam6806_, what's your audio card ?
[19:36] <adam6806_> blueskaj I'm using a usb 4channel mixer
[19:39] <BluesKaj> adam6806_, ok open a terminal and run this command , sudo gstreamer-properties , then a GUI will open. After configuring a reboot may be in order
[20:12] <hatecrashes> hello, i'm using kde 4.10.3 on kubuntu 13.04, and my desktop just crashed, the mouse could still move, but couldn't click or scroll on anything; the keyboard was partially working, but it looked like plasma-desktop was frozen; so i ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X and now it works again; how could i debug this? i was running an app with a lot of windows on wine at the time, but i don't think that the app crashed because there wa
[20:23] <DonVitoCorleone> Hmm, I can't do ./configure it says Permission denied, but I'm owner, anybody has some idea what to do ?
[20:24] <lordievader> DonVitoCorleone: Does it have execute permission?
[20:25] <DonVitoCorleone> Yes
[20:25] <DonVitoCorleone> At least I think so
[20:26] <lordievader> DonVitoCorleone: What does "ls -l configure" say?
[20:26] <DonVitoCorleone> -rw------- 1 donvitocorleone donvitocorleone 1115776 Jun 17 21:21 configure
[20:29] <lordievader> DonVitoCorleone: It doesn't have execute rights: chmod +x configure
[20:30] <DonVitoCorleone> I've done that and still same when i do ls -l configure
[20:32] <usr_> hello
[20:32] <usr_> I'm seeking help for a real problem
[20:32] <usr_> anybody willing to help me here ?
[20:33] <lordievader> DonVitoCorleone: Do you get an error when you run the chmod command?
[20:33] <DonVitoCorleone> No
[20:33] <lordievader> !ask | usr_
[20:34] <lordievader> DonVitoCorleone: Perhaps "chmod 777 configure" works? (It is not on a read-only mounted volume is it?)
[20:34] <DonVitoCorleone> I think it's not read-only
[20:35] <hatecrashes> hello, i'm using kde 4.10.3 on kubuntu 13.04, and my desktop just crashed, the mouse could still move, but couldn't click or scroll on anything; the keyboard was partially working, but it looked like plasma-desktop was frozen; so i ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X and now it works again; how could i debug this? i was running an app with a lot of windows on wine at the time, but i don't think that the app crashed because there wa
[20:35] <DonVitoCorleone> I had that HDD later on Windows and than just installed Kubuntu
[20:35] <DonVitoCorleone> Still same after that command
[20:36] <usr_> I had a porlbem with Kubuntu 13.04 while I'm using it not installing or using terminal I was just browsing the interent in firefox when suddenly everthing the screen turend to a black screen this issue happend to me before with ubuntu 13.04 and that's why I changed it and now it happend again here ?
[20:37] <lordievader> DonVitoCorleone: Did you use Wubi to install Kubuntu?
[20:38] <DonVitoCorleone> No, I booted from dvd and installed
[20:38] <lordievader> Very odd problem, DonVitoCorleone
[20:40] <lordievader> On what kind of filesystem does this file reside?
[20:41] <DonVitoCorleone> I don't know, how can i see that ?
[20:42] <usr_> Sorry I disconnected becuase it happend again
[20:42] <lordievader> DonVitoCorleone: Running "mount" shows you the currently mounted volumes, including their filesystem.
[20:42] <usr_> Please I am looking for a solution for my serious problem it can damage my laptop !,
[20:43] <DonVitoCorleone> Type : fuseblk
[20:43] <DonVitoCorleone> That lordievader ?
[20:44] <usr_> Waiting....
[20:44] <DonVitoCorleone> This is everything it says about that HDD lordievader
[20:44] <DonVitoCorleone> ./dev/sda1 on /media/stari kompjuter type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)
[20:44] <DonVitoCorleone> Without dot
[20:46] <usr_> I had a porlbem with Kubuntu 13.04 while I'm using it not installing or using terminal I was just browsing the interent in firefox when suddenly everthing the screen turend to a black screen this issue happend to me before with ubuntu 13.04 and that's why I changed it and now it happend again here ?
[20:46] <lordievader> DonVitoCorleone: I'm not sure but a quick google search tells me that the fuseblk is MS related (most likely NTFS), NTFS doesn't support Linux file permessions, so that is probably the problem you are facing.
[20:46] <lordievader> !patience | usr_
[20:47] <DonVitoCorleone> Yes I think it is NTFS, at least it was that on Windows
[20:47] <usr_> Okay
[20:47] <DonVitoCorleone> So what should I do now ?
[20:49] <lordievader> DonVitoCorleone: Copy the source (I think you tried to compile some software) to a Linux drive (ext-something formatted).
[20:49] <lordievader> Anyhow I got to go, good luck.
[20:49] <DonVitoCorleone> Yes I'm trying to compile Guarddog
[20:49] <DonVitoCorleone> Thank you lordievader
[20:51] <usr_> I tried to find the answer but I didn't find anything :-(
[20:51] <usr_> Please, Just guide somewhere to fix  it
[20:54] <usr_> hello !
[20:54] <usr_> Come on !
[20:57] <laura_> hi
[20:57] <usr_> I need help
[20:57] <laura_> how can i update kde 4.8.5 (kubuntu 12.04) to kde 4.10 ?
[20:58] <usr_> Google it !
[20:58] <laura_> i find tutorials for kubuntu 12.10
[20:58] <laura_> and i dont know if works in 12.04
[20:58] <usr_> You wanna update to 13.04 ?
[20:59] <laura_> no
[20:59] <laura_> only kde enviroment
[20:59] <usr_> aha alright
[20:59] <mannerov> why do you want to upgrade?
[20:59] <laura_> is most beautiful :)
[20:59] <laura_> i am a woman and i like it
[20:59] <laura_> understand me
[21:00] <giano> http://sejalivre.org/instalando-o-kde-4-10-4-no-kubuntu-linux-mint-fedora-e-opensuse/
[21:00] <laura_> giano: really thanks
[21:00] <laura_> :D
[21:01] <avihay> laura_: I think you need the kubuntu  backports ppa
[21:01] <usr_> gino can you help me ?
[21:01] <laura_> avihay: yes, kde rocks!
[21:01] <laura_> see you after guys
[21:01] <mannerov> I think you should try to use the kubuntu-ppa
[21:02] <usr_> Fuck off
[21:02] <usr_> Nobody here to help me
[21:02] <usr_> Fuck you Kubuntu
[21:02] <mannerov> What is your question?
[21:02] <usr_> Keep freezing like mother fucker
[21:03] <mannerov> did you try to rename .kde in your home and restart? it may be a configuration problem
[21:03] <giano> ele ta nervoso
[21:03] <usr_> No I didn't
[21:03] <usr_> What is .kde ?
[21:03] <giano> usr qual seu problema?
[21:04] <giano> para poder te ajudar?
[21:04] <mannerov> It's the directory that contains the configuration of the kde environment
[21:04] <usr_> English ?
[21:04] <avihay> if it happened to him with ubuntu and now with kubuntu, it's not a configuration issue
[21:04] <giano> yes
[21:04] <mannerov> if you try to rename it, the defaults will be loaded at restart, so you see if the bugs comes from here
[21:04] <DonVitoCorleone> lordievader Thank you very much, I've done compile but gad to copy source to home/user/somwhere and to do chmod +x configure :)
[21:04] <DonVitoCorleone> had*
[21:05] <usr_> I don't understand
[21:05] <mannerov> I didn't know he had an issue with ubuntu too.
[21:05] <avihay> it's either a kernel issue or a hardware issue
[21:05] <avihay> or a driver issue
[21:05] <mannerov> Could you give more info _usr?
[21:05] <usr_> I'm using windows 7 and there's no problem !
[21:05] <giano> to using the google translator so long to respond'm Brazilian
[21:06] <usr_> oh okay
[21:06] <usr_> I'm using it, and suddenly everything apperad black with texts like terminal I don't know why
[21:06] <usr_> This happend to me with ubuntu 13.04 too and now Im using Kubuntu 13.04
[21:07] <mannerov> at start? after doing something? is something written?
[21:07] <avihay> the text in the terminal should give you a hint as to what's happening
[21:07] <usr_> No, I was browsing in firefox and this problem apperaed
[21:08] <usr_> I had no problem in booting at all. It apperas when I'm using it only
[21:08] <avihay> also, does the graphical environment start up by itself? or does the computer freeze?
[21:08] <usr_> appears*
[21:08] <nescius> bendersteed: thanks. fixed by unsetting that
[21:08] <mannerov> Does the problem appear only with firefox?
[21:09] <usr_> No, it happens suddenly just like that
[21:09] <giano> do what mannerov talked delete the folder. kde in your home and restart the machine
[21:09] <mannerov> if it happens whith ubuntu too, this won't solve anything
[21:10] <nescius> usr_: I had similiar issues with computer freeze while starting firefox and opening a new tab
[21:10] <usr_> how to show hidden file in dolphin
[21:10] <usr_> it's not about firefox it's about any applications
[21:10] <nescius> usr_: alt+.
[21:10] <nescius> usr_: gtk or qt app?
[21:11] <mannerov> firefox is a gtk app
[21:11] <mannerov> if it happens only with firefox, you should use an other browser. Anyway, this looks like a bug in the kernel that may come from a bug in a driver.
[21:11] <usr_> it just happens alt+ it doesnt work
[21:12] <usr_> I think its a bug too becuase it happens with ubuntu and kubuntu which means its absolutely a bug
[21:12] <mannerov> Try the control menu of dolphin to display the hidden files
[21:12] <mannerov> what is your hardware?
[21:14] <usr_> it's very complicated
[21:14] <usr_> it made me angry
[21:14] <usr_> I cannot see a button to show a hidden file even
[21:16] <mannerov> usr_: I use kubuntu 13.04 and at the top of dolphin, I have several buttons including a control button that display several options including showing hidden files
[21:17] <usr_> okay
[21:17] <usr_> I got it
[21:18] <usr_> and now you said delete .kde file ?
[21:18] <nescius> usr_: go to view and read all the entries..
[21:19] <usr_> where can i find it ?
[21:19] <george_> hello can i have some help please :)
[21:19] <george_> my brother was messing with my pc and he set my right click to do activites thing and i cant change it back pls help.
[21:19] <nescius> in home directory ~/.kde would be its adddress
[21:19] <george_> hello can i have some help please :)
[21:19] <george_> my brother was messing with my pc and he set my right click to do activites thing and i cant change it back pls help.
[21:20] <usr_> I didn't find it !
[21:21] <usr_> do you mean gwenviewrc ?
[21:21] <usr_> I've found this one "gwenviewrc"
[21:21] <mannerov> _usr : if you have the bug with ubuntu too, that means the bugs doesn't come from this directory. Could you tell your hardware and if you manually installed some drivers
[21:22] <usr_> No I didn't manually installed any dirver
[21:22] <usr_> Now the problem stopped
[21:23] <usr_> And I still don't have any explantion why !1
[21:23] <usr_> Do you suggest to make memory test ?
[21:25] <usr_> anyway
[21:25] <usr_> thanx


[01:21] <guiverc> sfxpt, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/429/builds is the ISO QA Tracker which will allow you to record your results for any QA-testing of beta RC testing you do (for Lubuntu or others..)  It also has links to download ISOs for each
[01:33] <sfxpt> genii 👌👍🙏🙏
[01:33] <sfxpt> guiverc 👌👍🙏🙏
[01:34] <guiverc> sfxpt, thank you for helping QA-test our Lubuntu jammy product :)
[01:35] <sfxpt> 😃💪💪
[19:36] <suntong> Hi, so I DL the ISO QA Tracker from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/429/builds, but found I cannot boot from the .iso with my usual method any more. Is this a known issue?
[19:36] <suntong> Basically they way I boot all my live .iso are documented at https://dev.to/suntong/maintenance-free-system-multi-booting-1dpk#iso
[19:38] <suntong>     loopback loop "$iso_path"
[19:38] <suntong>     menuentry 'Live (amd64)' {
[19:38] <suntong>       bootoptions="boot=casper iso-scan/filename=$iso_path noeject noprompt"
[19:38] <suntong>       linux (loop)/casper/vmlinuz $bootoptions
[19:38] <suntong>       initrd (loop)/casper/initrd
[19:38] <suntong>     }
[19:40] <suntong> is the main part *that I* has always been using
[20:50] <suntong> "Cannot send to nick/channel"
[20:50] <suntong> is it for somebody else, or for my several messages above?
 dont multiline paste or you get rate limited
[20:53] <teward> you were temporarily muted for spamming lines.  use a pastebin instead for multiline pasting.
[20:53] <teward> !pastebin | suntong
[20:54] <suntong> gotcha, will do...
[20:55] <teward> so you said it isnt working "like it normally does" - the beta release is just that, a beta, but what is "normal" and what are you seeing are the real questions.
[20:57] <suntong> I understand what beta means, but booting from the .iso has been a standard practice for years.
 i'll have to do a test later to see if i can repro your approach here but i dont think Ubuntu ISOs are guaranteed especially at this point in the xycle to boot in this way.  what errors DO you see or get when you try?
[20:58] <suntong> it is very unlikely to fail, both from .iso generation part, or from .iso booting part, unless something has dramatically changed.
 because its not clear here what actually happens and what errors you get vs. your normal approach
[21:01] <suntong> my normal approach is documented at https://dev.to/suntong/maintenance-free-system-multi-booting-1dpk#iso
[21:01] <suntong>  and I post the main part in https://paste.debian.net/1236315/
[21:02] <suntong> when boot from .iso, it keeps saying cannot read from `/dev/sr0`, which should have been pointing to .iso content instead.
[21:04] <suntong> Thanks for trying out booting from the .iso, or to repro my approach.
[21:05] <teward> will take a while 'cause i'm busy.  i know direct ISO boot (a-la the Direct Boot from the USB stick or DVD) works, even in VMs, so you'll have to wait a while since i have work
[21:08] <suntong> OK. NP.
[21:08] <suntong> Just booting from an .iso file would be a better approach for most people I'd assume, as they don't need a spare USB stick, or consume a DVD just for one-time testing.
[21:11] <suntong> is there a telegram group that I can join instead?
 I think the link is in the topic.


 i saw on the news that ubuntu is a spyware os
[05:04] <bazhang> wunderbar. tomorrow is the full moon
 is ubuntu run by a bunch of college kids doing freelance coding
[05:39] <elky> yes, absolutely
[18:12] <bazhang> * [CATDOG] (~CATDOG@ool-457c33c1.dyn.optonline.net): ...
[18:12] <bazhang> bolt?
[18:12] <ikonia> any reason to think so ?
[18:13] <bazhang> the nick, the ip, the bizarre questions
[18:13] <ikonia> is it a nick he's used before ?
[18:14] <bazhang> the combo of cats/dogs yeah
[18:14] <ikonia> oh
[18:33] <Myrtti> I thought it was Disney characters
[18:34] <bazhang> more like Looney Tunes
[21:29] <DJones> Not sure if there is a factoid giving that info
[23:28] <Fuchs> ikonia: on lucien: I had a talk with him yesterday after what happened in #ubuntu before and cloaked him, telling him though that it shall not be used to evade bans or such  (he got banned in the core channel before). Inform me if he does so. (don't as long as it is "only" misbehaving as a local channel issue though, that is up to local ops)
[23:29] <ikonia> Fuchs: I only kicked him, I didn't ban him
[23:29] <ikonia> so it shouldn't be a problem
[23:29] <ikonia> (appreciate the heads up though)
[23:29] <Fuchs> Alright
[23:30] <ikonia> he wasn't a pest after I kicked him, so I've left him alone
[23:31] <ikonia> @mark DeltaHeavy getting tedious with how ubuntu does things bad and he's above it because it's for noobs, yet has zero idea what he's actually doing
[23:31] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu DeltaHeavy getting tedious with how ubuntu does things bad and he's above it because it's for noobs, yet has zero idea what he's actually doing


[01:19] <superm1> cjwatson_, you still here?
[01:55] <casperzshado> im having a problem booting my ubuntu on my brothers pc, anybody care to gimme a hand?
[02:01] <casperzshado> anyone here?
[04:03] <cr3> would it make sense for preseeding to automatically determine the disk device, assuming there is only one disk, instead of having to specify the disk explicitly: d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda
[04:07] <cjwatson> cr3: it does, if you also preseed partman-auto/method.
[04:08] <cjwatson> partman-auto (62ubuntu3) feisty; urgency=low
[04:08] <cjwatson> partman-auto (62ubuntu3) feisty; urgency=l  * auto.d/initial_auto: If partman-auto/method is preseeded and
[04:08] <cjwatson>     partman-auto/disk is not but there is only one disk, act as though
[04:08] <cjwatson>     partman-auto/disk had been preseeded to that disk. This simplifies a
[04:08] <cjwatson>     number of preseeding scenarios that had been complicated by the removal
[04:08] <cjwatson>     of devfs path support.
[04:08] <cjwatson>  -- Colin Watson<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:46:39 +0100
[04:09] <cr3> cjwatson: cheers! how did you get that information into the channel?
[04:09] <cr3> if it's just a copy and paste, where did you copy from?
[04:12] <cjwatson> you've seen changelogs before, haven't you?
[04:13] <cr3> cjwatson: it looked like it but, for some reason, it looked more like a feature request. sorry for the stupid question :/
[04:13] <cjwatson> no, it's
[04:13] <cjwatson> just the partman-auto changelog
[04:13] <cjwatson> (modulo irssi paste damage)
[04:13] <cr3> that is very cool, intel will be very pleased to hear about it
[04:14] <cjwatson> 'd-i partman-auto/method string regular' is the other piece of the puzzle for normal setups (as opposed to lvm or what-have-you). They probably have that already
[04:14] <cr3> cjwatson: how can I know the values supported by partman-auto/method? I remember having to specify "regular" during feisty, but I didn't quite understand why.
[04:15] <cjwatson> see the installation guide
[04:15] <cjwatson> except that crypto is not yet supported in Ubuntu
[06:06] <cr3> cjwatson: when I only specify "d-i partman-auto/method string regular" without "d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda", I get prompted to partition disks. I guess I will read the installation guide more carefully
[06:13] <cjwatson> wow, the wubi build system runs on Unix with WINE
[06:13] <cjwatson> need to have NSIS installed though
[06:13] <evand> hahaha
[06:14] <cr3> cjwatson: so partman-auto-method string regular doesn't seem to be picking up the only disk on the system, I'm about to send you the syslog and partman files
[06:14] <evand> what even possessed you to try that?
[06:16] <cjwatson> cr3: ok
[06:16] <cjwatson> evand: I didn't try it, I was curious about where we would start with including wubi on the CDs and went to look ...
[06:17] <evand> ah
[06:17] <cjwatson> looks like it has a bunch of code for allocating disk images that can be replaced by partman-auto-loop now
[06:17] <evand> nice
[06:18] <cjwatson> well, once I get fuse and ntfs udebs done and such
[06:20] <cjwatson> cr3: that syslog shows four disks
[06:27] <cr3> cjwatson: but the installer doesn't prompt me to select on which disk I want to install, it only offers to partition sda
[06:28] <cjwatson> I never said there was UI for that :)
[06:28] <cjwatson> oh, er, wait
[06:29] <cjwatson> cr3: what if you select "Guided - use entire disk"? you didn't in the logs you sent me
[06:30] <cjwatson> the auto-resize thing only ever offers freed space on one selected disk
[06:30] <cjwatson> you'll never get multiple "Guided - resize <blah> and use freed space" options
[06:30] <cjwatson> the partitioner has certainly noticed the existence of the other disks though
[06:33] <cr3> cjwatson: thanks for the explanation, I had assumed from the UI that there was only one disk but I should've paid more attention to the log file. that'll learn me


 Hi
 How do you know what version of lubuntu you have?
[04:05] <jbwncster> Hi
[04:07] <guiverc> @jbwncster, I'd usually use `neofetch` from command line, but `lsb_release -a` works too
[04:07] <guiverc> jbwncster, if you have a support question, just ask it, chatter belongs in #lubuntu-offtopic
[04:07] <jbwncster> Ok
[09:28] <Jenshae> Hi all. Are there any guides for building a 16.04 / 18.04 desktop environment on 20.04? LXDE being the base but what packages? How was the CTRL + ALT + T for terminal added?
[09:47] <guiverc> Jenshae, LXDE was last supported by Lubuntu on 18.04  Whatever docs exists will be wiki pages I'd expect (wiki.ubu..)
[09:48] <Jenshae> guiverc: Thanks. So no one else has wanted to keep the old DE and written a guide yet?
[09:49] <guiverc> LXDE is based on GTK2 which is really EOL; only the small sections of it still used by GIMP are still maintained, and that will be dropped when GIMP's port to GTK3 is completed.
[09:49] <Jenshae> LXDE won't be updated? :((
[09:50] <guiverc> PCMan blogged about pcmanfm (handles LXDE desktop & doubles as file manager) being ported to GTK3 & it being heavy; thus the re-port to Qt5 and now pcmanfm-qt
[09:50] <Jenshae> Anyone ever tried porting the DSL DE?
 Lubuntu 20.04 with LXDE is an unsupported system. I doubt, that anyone is writing guides for an unsupported system.
[09:50] <guiverc> work was done years ago, abandoned and LXDE devs joined with RazorQt creating the new LXQt desktop (now not new, it was years ago now)
 We have a manual for 20.04, which can be found on manual.lubuntu.me and it is open source.
[09:55] <Jenshae> I like LXDEs features. The panel, the way it displays wallpapers etc. :(
[09:57] <guiverc> I'm aware a lot of folks love LXDE  (I hear it often!) .. but things change..
[09:58]  * Jenshae starts looking at Arch :P
[09:58] <guiverc> LXDE is maintained as Pixel by Raspberry.pi folks, I've heard mention of LXDE port to GTK3 being started by arch folks (work done by original devs is now of little use as GTK3 changed too much after they dropped it) but the port may take a long time..
[09:59] <Jenshae> Really go off the deep end, try and game on Enoch :D
[19:39] <Guest48580> Hi all, im wondering if anyone can help me find a home network drive in Lubuntu, Its just a usb drive plugged into my WiFi router and everythign else can see it apart from my linux box
[22:29] <Guest72019> Hello


[01:34] <Keybuk> ff
[08:23] <kinema> What kernel package would be most appropriate for my Compaq Proliant 6500 with it's quad Pentium Pros, 640MB of memory and a hardware SCSI RAID array?
[03:43] <thom> hrrmph. why does git cherry-pick sometimes tell me what i need for GIT_AUTHOR etc and sometimes not? (using git cherry-pick -n all the time)
[05:45] <zul> hey BenC
[05:45] <BenC> hey zul
[05:46] <zul> how was the flight back?
[05:46] <BenC> long, but no delays, so it was ok
[05:46] <zul> goody..
[05:49] <thom> BenC: i assume you know that the multicore scheduler stuff doesn't build (in dapper)
[05:49] <BenC> thom: Yeah
[05:49] <thom> goodo :-)
[05:50] <thom> (i'm build packages with updated fusion mpt drivers currently)
[08:27] <crimsun> jdong_: which corruption bug?
[08:27] <crimsun> I only see one fix in the current stable (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[08:27] <jdong_> crimsun: malone #56073
[08:28] <crimsun> bug 56073
[08:28] <jdong_> no ubugtu in this room? :)
[08:29] <crimsun> please read ubuntu-2.6.git _first_.
[08:29] <crimsun> http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f67d487c336a68dd025ae99877115c7e016fe86
[08:30] <jdong_> ok, sorry for the false alarm
[08:30] <jdong_> but xfsprogs is still old
[08:30] <crimsun> ask mdz for a UVF exception.
[08:30] <jdong_> it's not capable of fixing the corruption if it happened to unlucky edgy users
[08:34] <jdong_> k, will follow up on that
[08:34] <jdong_> thanks for your time, crimsun
[08:34] <crimsun> np.
[12:00] <srwalter> so, if my bug has gone 4 days without being triaged, does that mean I did something wrong?
[12:02] <crimsun> the bug # being?
[12:02] <srwalter> 57625
[12:02] <crimsun> moreover, last week was the developers' conference, so everyone has been extremely busy
[12:02] <crimsun> bug 57625
[12:02] <mjg59> crimsun: No ubugtu in here
[12:03] <crimsun> mjg59: just noticed :/
[12:03] <crimsun> srwalter: triaged now
[12:04] <srwalter> danke, sir
[12:09] <Lure> mjg59: any idea how to address bug 22336 (overheating) - I just got it the first time today :(
[12:09] <mjg59> Lure: What hardware?
[12:09] <Lure> HP nw8240
[12:09] <mjg59> Oh, that's an entirely different issue
[12:10] <mjg59> The ACPI on the HPs is just mad and the fans occasionally decide not to do anything
[12:10] <mjg59> There's no risk of hardware damage
[12:10] <Lure> mjg59: funny part is that fans were on, but probably just not fast enough...
[12:10] <Lure> mjg59: probably not, since the machine shuts down, but it is a bit inconvinient
[12:11] <mjg59> Yes
[12:12] <Lure> mjg59: who is suppose to control fans? kernel or BIOS?


[09:03] <frank_> @openwerks: thanks a lot for the information!!!
[13:31] <BrianHechinger[m> Eickmeyer: Sorry I meant the Graphics PPA. I was going to ask you packaging questions but decided it wasn't worth the effort so I'm just using the blob installer from nvidia.
[18:06] <rgh> Eickmeyer: geonkick installs the lv2 in  `/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lv2` and can't be found by carla or ardour
[18:06] <rgh> is that an official lv2 dir ??
[18:07] <Eickmeyer> rgh: I'll have to get back to you on that, I don't think that's the official dir. I'm not changing anything in the defaults from the upstream, so it's possible that they have it wrong.
[18:07] <rgh> Eickmeyer: gotcha
[18:08] <Eickmeyer> rgh: Quick workaround is to add another location for carla or ardour.
[18:08] <rgh> I symlinked it in /usr/lib/lv2 😉
[18:08] <Eickmeyer> That's quick & dirty.
[18:08] <rgh> like me
[18:09] <rgh> I have a problem with ardour6.9 and geonkick
[18:09] <rgh> dunno which one is at fault
[18:10] <rgh> routing is very weird, instrument 1  should output to out 1/2 but it uses 16/17 and 18
[18:10] <rgh> something like that
[18:10]  * rgh investigates
[18:10] <rgh> I had a self compiled geonkick because I didn't realize it was in the repos
[18:12] <rgh> carla works correct
[18:14] <rgh> ok, it's ardour
[18:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> rgh:  Ok, I mean, you can probably bug report it, but there's a couple of problems: las (Paul Davis) doesn't want bug reports based on versions compiled by someone other than himself, meaning downstream bug reports are considered invalid. Additionally, this version is an unmodified sync from Debian, so there were no modifications done here.
[18:39] <rgh> I was using the official bin
[18:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, ok, then bug report away.
[18:40] <rgh> gonna switch to debian
[18:40] <rgh> because the avl-kits don't fan-out either
[18:40] <rgh> or it's my laptop ..
[18:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> avl kits are also unmodified from Debian.
[18:42] <rgh> I'm trying to setup my tiny netbook for recording/editing audio in my teaching studio
[18:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ohhhhhhh yikes. Might run into horsepower issues.
[18:42] <rgh> ardour even runs on my single core celeron
[18:42] <rgh> lol
[18:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, it might run, but how well?
[18:43] <rgh> it's not a power thing
[18:43] <rgh> already edited and recorded loops with avl kits, tal noisemaker and some fx
[18:43] <rgh> anyway
[18:43] <rgh> gonna test
[18:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, you do know what you're doing, but we have had complaints about not "supporting" older or "underpowered" hardware.
[18:45] <rgh> ok, plugins don't fan-out ..
[18:45] <rgh> let's nuke some configs
[18:45] <rgh> anyway, I'll stop spamming
[18:45] <rgh> this seems a local issue
[18:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok. :)
[18:50] <rgh> one last thing : installed ustudio verson , nuked config, everthing works
[18:50] <rgh> \o/
[18:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's impressive!
[21:47] <OvenWerks> rgh: no that is not an offial lv2 install directory


[02:48] <poolie> SteveA: ping?
[03:33] <thumper> hey poolie, it's a little early for SteveA
[03:34] <poolie> yeah i thought so
[03:35] <thumper> both ddaa and SteveA are exactly 12 hours out of sync with me
[03:35] <thumper> makes time calculations real easy
[03:35] <thumper> but communication sometimes a little more difficult
[03:36] <poolie> yel
[04:08] <stub> thumper: I'm not sure how to proceed if we need to store the Bazaar DAGs in the relational db. Given the rough numbers Robert gave me in Singapore, it seemed that it would be impractical to explode the graphs into a table that would allow us to list all children/ancestors for a given node in a single query. And benchmarks using stored procedures to query the existing tree demonstrated that approach was too slow.
[04:13] <thumper> stub: for sure we can't work solely on an adjacency model
[04:13] <thumper> that just doesn't work for 1000's of levels of recursion
[04:13] <thumper> I've had some thoughts on a hybrid model, and using iteration instead of recursion
[04:13] <thumper> can you point me at any plpythonu docs?
[04:14] <thumper> that might be easier than plpgsql
[04:14] <thumper> which is what I have always used before
[04:14] <stub> file:///usr/share/doc/postgresql-doc-8.1/html/plpython.html
[04:14] <thumper> stub cheers
[04:15] <jamesh> so, is there a list of the things we want to do with the data?
[04:15] <jamesh> that would give a good idea of what needs to be in the DB
[04:15] <thumper> jamesh: no explicit list that I know of
[04:15] <stub> I'm aware of: Given a node in a DAG, list a) All child nodes, b) All parent nodes, c) All descendants, d) All ancestors
[04:16] <thumper> I'm wondering how much we can do through a web interface to the branches and avoid having it all in the db
[04:16] <thumper> stub: but why?
[04:16] <thumper> it is one of the reasons that I haven't invested too much time into it yet
[04:16] <thumper> that and I haven't had much time yet
[04:17] <thumper> that way we can use bzrlib to do the heavy lifting
[04:17] <jamesh> the main one I could think of was "which branches have fully merged this one?", which is roughly calculating all nodes reachable by parent -> child edges
[04:17] <stub> I'm not sure of the actual use to the end user. Just that my understanding was that if we could support that then we could support the envisaged UI reports from the relational db (not that I know what they are)
[04:17] <jamesh> and maybe the inverse (which other branches does this branch contain)
[04:18] <thumper> jamesh: that fits into what I have heard of the "auto merge detection" concept
[04:18] <jamesh> are there other features we want?
[04:18] <thumper> jamesh: does that degenerate down to is the tip of branch A in the ancestry for branch B
[04:18] <thumper> if so, then A merged into B
[04:18] <jamesh> thumper: yeah
[04:19] <thumper> bzrlib is blinding at that sort of thing
[04:19] <stub> But not given a set of 50 or 100 branches
[04:19] <thumper> perhaps we look at an xmlrpc on the supermirror accessable through the lp ui
[04:20] <stub> It works two branches at a time
[04:20] <thumper> stub: true
[04:20] <thumper> but is that what we want?
[04:20] <stub> Thats between you and Mark I think :)
[04:20] <thumper> surely we are more interested in the "have I been merged into my landing target"
[04:21] <stub> I guess specing out what we want the pages to display do is the first step. Then we can work out if it is possible and how to do it.
[04:21] <thumper> stub: that sounds like a plan to me
[04:21] <stub> go forth and mock (up)
[04:21] <thumper> my suggestion would be to not bother storing everything in the db if it isn't needed
[04:22] <thumper> especially if the complexity has already been addressed elsewhere - like bzrlib
[04:26] <jamesh> thumper: I sent an email last night about maybe changing the terms used in dbschema vocabularies, as a way to shorten the URLs in your branch filtering branch
[04:26] <thumper> jamesh: yep read it (ddaa was keen on this too)
[04:26] <jamesh> does it sound okay to you?
[04:26] <thumper> I looked at it when I was first approaching the issue
[04:26] <thumper> it has to do with how we create the vocabularies from the dbschema objects
[04:27] <thumper> I didn't want to do too much with it at that stage due to the changes in the pipes that SteveA is looking at
[04:27] <thumper> and I'll probably be implementing anyway
[04:27] <jamesh> sure.
[04:27] <thumper> so I'll make sure that it works
[04:27] <jamesh> I think it is independent of Steve's proposed changes
[04:27] <thumper> and I fully agree about using value instead of text to avoid i18n issues
[04:27] <jamesh> but is probably worth doing afterwards
[04:27] <thumper> well it would have meant hacking some vocab factories up
[04:28] <thumper> and I want to make that easier anyway
[04:28] <thumper> also widget changes in the pipes too
[04:28] <jamesh> like auto-register vocabularies from the DBSchema metaclass or something?
[04:29] <thumper> I think the current plan is to have the enumeration class implement IVocabulary
[04:29] <jamesh> ah.
[04:29] <jamesh> that sounds good
[04:29] <thumper> yep
[04:29] <thumper> less registering
[04:29] <thumper> (I think)
[04:29] <thumper> at least we wouldn't need the factory file
[04:30] <jamesh> as I said in the mail, it isn't just the potential i18n issues
[04:30] <jamesh> we've changed a bug importance name in the past, and that broke bookmarks for a number of Ubuntu developers
[04:31] <jamesh> and some queries that were linked off the Ubuntu wiki, iirc
[04:32] <thumper> all it would take is a different vocab factory (I think)
[04:32] <stub> Ohh... PostgreSQL 8.2 might give us facilities to do this using arrays and the new operators
[04:32] <thumper> right now
[04:32] <stub> (DAGs)
[04:32] <thumper> stub: effective limits on arrays?
[04:33] <stub> No idea. I'll wait until I have an install to investigate further.
[04:33] <thumper> stub: are we on 8.1?
[04:33] <stub> Yup
[04:33] <stub> 8.2 released just a short while ago
[04:33] <thumper> 8.3 has "with recurisive" planned
[04:33] <thumper> :)
[04:33] <thumper> FQ2007
[04:33] <thumper> maybe
[04:34] <stub> If we want to wait 6 months...
[04:34] <stub> fq?
[04:34] <stub> Hmm...
[04:34] <thumper> first quarter
[04:34] <jamesh> we probably want to wait for an 8.2 point release before considering it though, right?
[04:34] <stub> recursive stuff would be ideal if it is efficient and not just the same stuff I've already benchmarked using stored procedures.
[04:35] <stub> jamesh: They have been pretty good in the last few releases. I'd be game to give 8.2.0 a go if it passes our testing (although by that time, there will probably be a 8.2.1 anyway)
[04:36] <thumper> stub: I believe that the recursive stuff was *much* faster than stored procs
[04:37] <thumper> as it is an inherent knowledge at the db level of tree structures
[04:37] <stub> enterprisedb supports this right now...
[04:37] <stub> (using oracle syntax)
[04:37] <thumper> eterprisedb?
[04:37] <jamesh> thumper: a postgres fork that aims to make porting from Oracle easier
[04:37] <stub> commercial release of PostgreSQL
[04:37] <stub> I'm seeing July 2007 quoted for 8.3
[04:38] <thumper> ok
[08:21] <spiv> jamesh: your latest blog entry seems to have a typo: a paragraph ending in an incomplete sentence "if you do development from multiple machines if you".
[08:26] <jamesh> spiv: thanks.  Updated
[08:35] <thumper> spiv: are you still working
[08:35] <spiv> thumper: yep
[08:36] <thumper> I'd like to organise a voice call
[08:36] <thumper> skype?
[08:36] <spiv> Sure.  I'll quickly find my headset...
[08:38] <spiv> I'm on skype... "spivvo" is the name iirc.
[08:38] <thumper> spiv: ok, I'll try now
[08:41] <thumper> spiv: nope, seems like that isn't there
[09:07] <carlos> morning
[10:41] <SteveA> poolie: hi
[10:44] <stub> Launchpad will be going down in 15 minutes for a code update. Estimated downtime is 10 mins.
[10:53] <jsgotangco> ah
[11:09] <stub> That should all be done now
[11:49] <mhb> carlos: I read your mail on ubuntu-translators ... thanks for the fix.
[11:49] <carlos> mhb: sorry for the extra delay...
[11:50] <mhb> carlos: no problem. will the google indexing of translations also work soon? (or has it been deferred?)
[11:51] <carlos> mhb: it's implemented, poke kiko on it, he needs to review it
[11:51] <carlos> but anyway... I don't think that will happen before January
[11:51] <carlos> I'm not sure we will do a code update on production just before leaving for holidays
[11:51] <carlos> the whole company...
[12:01] <matthewrevell> morning jenda
[12:02] <jenda> hey there matthewrevell :)
[12:02] <jenda> How's life treating you?
[12:02] <jenda> And how's Canonical treating you? ;)
[12:02] <jenda> And - where does ubuntulog store it's logs for this channel?
[12:07] <jenda> found'em
[12:11] <matthewrevell> jenda: Not bad on both fronts, thanks :)
[12:12] <jenda> matthewrevell: Just in case you could make it, and were interested, there is a Marketing Team meeting on saturday, midnight UTC, after a looong time.
[12:12] <jenda> I think you even attended the last one :)
[12:12] <matthewrevell> jenda: Wow. Cool. Unlikely I'll be able to make it, but I'll try. Thanks for letting me knoiw
[12:12] <jenda> But don't worry about it if you can't make it.
[12:12] <jenda> np
[12:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75874 in soyuz "please don't require Standards-Version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75874
[12:50] <cprov> SteveA: hi, can you find someone to help me with a vhosts related error on dogfood ? https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileJQQHqQ.html
[12:52] <SteveA> cprov: I can help you with that.
[12:53] <cprov> SteveA: nice, is there something missing in dogfood config ?
[12:55] <SteveA> cprov: where can I see the current dogfood config?
[12:56] <cprov> SteveA: uhm, in your tree, config/dogfood/launchpad.conf (I'm using RF-head there)
[12:57] <SteveA> ok
[12:57] <SteveA> I'll pull down the latest and take a look
[12:58] <cprov> SteveA: thanks
[01:10] <SteveA> cprov: ok, so the dogfood config doesn't have a vhosts section in the launchpad section
[01:10] <SteveA> and if dogfood runs a web server, then it should do
[01:10] <SteveA> you can copy the one from staging, say, and then customize it
[01:10] <SteveA> ping me if you need help knowing what to put where
[01:11] <cprov> SteveA: sorry, power outage over here ..
[01:11] <cprov> SteveA: will do, thanks o lot for identifying this.
[01:37] <cprov> carlos: hi, any idea about how long patch-67-19-0.sql will take to be applied in dogfood ? (1 month old lp_prod copy)
[01:40] <carlos> let me check...
[01:40] <carlos> cprov: no idea, kiko did that change so I didn't do any timing on it
[01:42] <cprov> carlos: ok, I have to wait, I guess
[01:43] <matthewrevell> So, how's Fix-it Friday going?
[01:45] <salgado> fixing a lot of small annoying issues on team membership notification
[01:48] <matthewrevell> salgado: Ah, that sounds good. What sort of thing?
[01:49] <salgado> matthewrevell, bugs: [WWW]  66787, [WWW]  73079, [WWW]  47227, [WWW]  47476, [WWW]  49637, [WWW]  55156.
[01:49] <salgado> ah, crap. copy and pasting from the wiki doesn't always work
[01:49] <matthewrevell> :) Thanks, I'll look them up
[01:50] <salgado> matthewrevell, the links are at https://launchpad.canonical.com/PendingReviews
[01:50] <matthewrevell> aha, superb
[01:51] <salgado> it's mostly improving the messages in the notifications, avoiding duplicate notifications in some special cases and adding some new notifications
[01:51] <salgado> I also took the opportunity to clean up/refactor some code, since it's been a long time since I last touched it
[01:53] <matthewrevell> salgado: Cheers. I'm going to type up a small report. Nothing too grand, as we're starting off small.
[01:54] <salgado> that's great! :)
[02:27] <kiko> morning
[02:27] <kiko> how is everybody
[02:28] <aa_> excellent, thank-you
[02:28] <kiko> good to hear
[03:15] <cprov> kiko: ping
[03:25] <kiko> cprov, pong
[03:26] <cprov> kiko: hi, can you do a quick review for me, the bug is kind of urgent, it's blocking distro-team
[03:27] <cprov> kiko: fix for bug #75874
[03:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75874 in soyuz "please don't require Standards-Version" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75874
[03:27] <cprov> kiko: https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/cprov/launchpad/soyuz-fixes/full-diff
[03:59] <aa_> sorry to bother, can we get commit emails from the supermirror, or was I right in seeing that this specification has not been fulfilled?
[04:03] <LarstiQ> you can have commit mails sent locally
[04:03] <LarstiQ> it would really be 'push mails' for the sm
[04:04] <aa_> sorry yes, push emails
[04:04] <aa_> by locally, you mean in my local branch?
[04:04] <kiko> aa_, tim's working on that; should be ready for the next rollout
[04:05] <aa_> tim peters?
[04:07] <LarstiQ> aa_: hah, we wish :)
[04:07] <ddaa> aa_: Tim Penhey
[04:07] <ddaa> his nickname is thumper
[04:08] <LarstiQ> aa_: by locally, I mean having the email plugin installed, and having a post_commit=bzrlib.plugins.email.post_commit section in ~/.bazaar/locations.conf or bazaar.conf
[04:08] <ddaa> Great to have him around, so he can actually implement all those cool things with bzr integration that we wanted to do forever but never had the time for.
[04:08] <LarstiQ> aa_: it will then send out a mail for every commit you do in the covered branch.
[04:08] <LarstiQ> ddaa: I can pile all such requests on him?
[04:09] <ddaa> LarstiQ: we've got a bug tracker for such requests :)
[04:09] <ddaa> actually the reason this email stuff is being done now is that there is an explicit need for it from Ubuntu
[04:09] <aa_> LarstiQ: ok, that is a perfect solution for now, thanks
[04:09] <ddaa> there's still so much more to do than we can possibly do...
[04:11] <ddaa> I'm just voicing out my unrelenting pleasure at seeing how having Tim in appears to unstuck so many good things.
[04:11] <LarstiQ> ddaa: good to hear
[04:12] <ddaa> don't think too hard, we already have a full agenda for the next six months :)
[05:22] <matthewrevell> Is there a way to view Launchpad users in order of karma?
[05:28] <jenda> matthewrevell: if you find it tell me :)
[05:29] <jenda> I've always been looking for that :)
[05:29] <matthewrevell> jenda: Ah, interesting :) If it's not there, I wonder how many people would find it useful.
[05:30] <BjornT> matthewrevell: i don't think you can see all the users overall, but for each product/distribution you can see the top contributors.
[05:31] <matthewrevell> BjornT: Thanks. I'll give it a go for Ubuntu, then.
[05:35] <BjornT> matthewrevell: btw, if you need something for your Fix-It Friday report, you could add bug 75783. it fixes a timeout problem when listing open bugs statistics for packages a person is a bug contact for.
[05:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75783 in malone "+packagebugs page times out due privacy related clause in the queries." [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75783
[05:36] <matthewrevell> BjornT: cool, thanks
[06:45] <mhb> I wonder - would it be possible for a translation team of a non-LP project (alsa, for instance) to somehow start a project in Launchpad and manage the translations via Rosetta?
[06:47] <kiko> mhb, what do you mean by "non-LP project"? launchpad is open for any open source project to use
[06:49] <mhb> kiko: I know
[06:51] <mhb> kiko: what I mean is if only a part of a project (one certain translation team) is able to start a LP project and if those people have the possibility of uploading .po templates by themselves
[06:53] <kiko> mhb, certainly -- you don't need official endorsement to use launchpad to translate any project.
[06:54] <mhb> kiko: I have guessed that. Is it easy to upload new .po templates to a project in LP?
[06:54] <kiko> yeah, pretty easy.
[06:54] <kiko> danilos or carlos can assist you if you have trouble.
[06:55] <danilos> mhb: sure, the only thing is that we'll have to manually approve the first POT upload (since there are some settings we have to do), and from then on, it'll all go automatically
[06:59] <mhb> danilos: so after the first upload the templates are fetched from the project the day they are released?
[07:00] <danilos> mhb: no, you'd still have to upload them manually
[07:02] <danilos> mhb: there are some plans for adding VCS integration (using bazaar branches), but we're not there yet
[07:02] <mhb> danilos: thanks
[07:03] <matthewrevell> Other than BjornT and salgado, does anyone have any Fix-it Friday news?
[07:03] <danilos> mhb: no problem; if you run into any problem while trying this out, feel free to ask
[07:05] <mhb> danilos: maybe I have one more question, but a trivial one. Are the ubuntu translator teams able to get translation rights on other projects?
[07:05] <danilos> mhb: sure, it's up to your product to select "translation group" which will be used there
[07:06] <danilos> mhb: you can even keep it completely open, though that may not be very good for the quality of your translations
[07:06] <mhb> danilos: I believe that. Thanks for the answers.
[07:07] <danilos> mhb: np :)
[07:41] <j^> hi, is there any way to browse/view the source of a bzr branche hosted by launchpad in the browser?
[07:52] <kiko> not currently, j^
[08:02] <j^> kiko: are there any plans to add that?
[08:06] <carlos> j^: yes
[08:12] <SteveA> j^: it'll happen soon, and certainly by the end of January.  I secretly expect it to appear much sooner than that.
[08:23] <mhb> one more rosetta-related question
[08:25] <mhb> update manager has msgid strings like " msgid "Every %s days" " which don't need extra plural forms in English but they do in other languages. This string has no msgid_plural defined. If I define it myself in the .po file and then upload it, would that change anything?
[08:30] <carlos> mhb: no
[08:30] <carlos> mhb: you need to 'fix' the application
[08:30] <carlos> Rosetta will store your translation, but you will not see it unless the application uploads a fixed .pot file
[08:31] <carlos> s/uploads/generates/
[08:34] <mhb> carlos: How can I find out who's responsible for that?
[08:35] <carlos> mhb: mvo is the author
[08:35] <mhb> carlos: is he allowed to change .pot files for Edgy so we can fix it there?
[08:36] <carlos> mhb: well, the fix is not just 'fix' .pot files
[08:36] <carlos> I would do it myself
[08:36] <carlos> he needs to change the application
[08:36] <carlos> to be able to use plural forms for that message
[08:36] <carlos> or your translation will be ignored
[08:37] <mhb> aww
[08:37] <carlos> once he fixes it and releases an update for Ubuntu (I don't think that will happen in Edgy, but you can ask for it just in case is possible) Rosetta will get the new .pot file automatically
[08:39] <mhb> that's what I really dislike. Bugs that l10n team can't fix but he will be criticised for them.
[08:41] <mhb> carlos: thanks for the info. I'll go poke mvo and discuss it with him.
[08:44] <carlos> mhb: well, that's a bug in the application, so it's quite easy to state that... The problem is that is not a critical or security problem, that's why I don't think the fix would land in Edgy...
[08:45] <mhb> carlos: Don't worry, I see your point. I just don't like such nasty bugs.
[09:00] <carlos> kiko: UI changes that you asked for TranslationReview are implemented, (included the javascript) and needs a reviewer
[09:01] <ctrlsoft> thanks for making lp usable without images! works like a charm over slow connections
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75942 in launchpad "Karma page does not build correct name when it ends with "s"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75942
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75950 in malone "Debian tasks have lost all content" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75950


[07:55] <Loder> Hi there. Is anyone around who could help me with some performance issues/questions in Lubuntu?
[07:58] <Loder> Here is a report of my system specs: http://pastehtml.com/view/cij0kq2im.html
[07:58] <Loder> I'm wondering if I should expect this system to capably run standard definition youtube videos, and to be able to play flash games on Lubuntu 11.10. I am also wondering if upgrading to 12.04 or 12.10 would improve or decrease performance.
[07:59] <Loder> I also have no sound at the moment, and I believe I may be lacking a proper graphics driver. Additional drivers does not list anything, and I'm not familiar enough with this operating system to take it much further without help
[08:00] <redderhs> i'd say yes, you should be able to play sd youtube vids, and play flash games.
[08:01] <redderhs> i don't believe you'd see too much of a performance increase between 12.04 to 12.10 unless a driver update related to your system had been applied..
[08:02] <Loder> I tried Xubuntu 12.04 previously, which ran worse
[08:02] <Loder> And had a lot of graphical issues
[08:03] <redderhs> From my experiences Lubuntu ran better than Xubuntu.
[08:03] <Loder> At the moment, youtube videos are very choppy and facebook games are very difficult to play
[08:03] <Loder> Do you have any ideas on how I might achieve better performance?
[08:04] <Loder> Or how I might perhaps get a better graphics driver? (The way some things are loading visually just seems like a display driver issue based on my experience, but I can't be certain)
[08:04] <redderhs> Which webbrowser are you using? Did you download the Flash Plugin from Adobe's page?
[08:04] <Loder> I checked the box to include third party software, and assumed that that would have downloaded it
[08:04] <Loder> I assume that I have it, since I am able to watch youtube videos
[08:04] <Loder> But maybe not the latest version
[08:05] <redderhs> that should be the same exact build iirc.
[08:05] <redderhs> if there were graphic updates for your card, it would appear as an update for anything else.
[08:06] <redderhs> via update manager
[08:06] <Loder> So there isn't perhaps some sort of legacy driver or something that I would have to manually acquire?
[08:06] <Loder> It just seems like this system is not performing as well as it should
[08:09] <redderhs> I wouldn't know if there were a legacy driver or not; according to your page the module "i915Intel Graphics" was loaded. perhaps someone else may chime in on your issues soon.
[08:09] <Loder> Alright, thanks. Maybe the integrated graphics has been installed correctly then
[08:10] <redderhs> are you most familiar with windows? if so, what resolution did you run under on there and did youtube videos and flash playback fine on there?
[08:11] <Loder> About the resolution, I have lowered it a lot now. I had already done that but it seems to be defaulting to the one that's listed on my specs page by default
[08:11] <Loder> And yes, I am a certified A+ professional with a lot of experience with windows
[08:11] <Loder> I'm just brand new to linux basically
[08:11] <redderhs> Ah ok. safe to assume no performance increase with lowering resolution?
[08:11] <Loder> It seems a little better actually
[08:12] <redderhs> how old is this pc? onboard video?
[08:12] <Loder> The resolution was probably about as high as it is now, and in windows this machine was able to run youtube videos
[08:12] <Loder> And facebook games were not great
[08:12] <Loder> Probably about the same, actually
[08:12] <Loder> I was hoping that I would see better performance in a light linux distribution. I'm going to give this machine to a coworker for her nephew to play facebook games on
[08:13] <Loder> And yes, the graphics are onboard
[08:13] <Loder> It's a very old machine
[08:13] <Loder> Bought in 2005 I think
[08:14] <redderhs> i'd imagine that, in terms of what the gpu can do, it should be equal or slightly better on linux
[08:14] <Loder> Yeah, I was hoping for slightly better
[08:14] <redderhs> you should see mostly an increase in the amount of ram free as a big plus.
[08:15] <Loder> I believe facebook games used to run a bit choppy
[08:15] <Loder> I was hoping that the slight choppiness would smooth out in linux
[08:15] <Loder> Yeah, RAM certainly doesn't seem to be an issue
[08:15] <redderhs> the system overall in terms of execution of software should be better too.
[08:15] <Loder> It boots and shuts down much better
[08:15] <Loder> I can open a lot of tabs without issue
[08:16] <Loder> I just wish I could squeeze enough performance out of this machine to accomplish what it's intended for
[08:16] <Loder> Do you have any idea what the bottleneck might be?
[08:16] <Loder> I'm not sure it would be the garbage celeron CPU or the onboard graphics
[08:16] <Loder> if it*
[08:17] <redderhs> let me take a look at the onboard
[08:17] <Loder> K
[08:18] <redderhs> what model number is the pc?
[08:19] <redderhs> nvm i see it in the paste html
[08:19] <redderhs> Dimension-2400
[08:19] <Loder> Yup
[08:20] <Loder> While you're here, is there a way to open a terminal window at the location that's in the foreground of the GUI?
[08:20] <Loder> In order to easily run commands from the required directory without having to cd a whole bunch?
[08:22] <redderhs> pretty sure there's a way to do it, not fully sure.
[08:22] <Loder> K
[08:26] <Loder> Any idea what to do about my sound not working, by the way?
[08:28] <redderhs> its kinda tough to say if its the gpu or cpu
[08:28] <redderhs> this link helped me with sound. http://askubuntu.com/questions/106224/no-sound-after-lubuntu-installation
[08:29] <redderhs> i installed pulseaudio and pavucontrol
[08:29] <redderhs> that allowed me to utilize the taskbars audio tray icon.
[08:29] <Loder> K thanks I'll give that a try
[08:30] <redderhs> np
[08:30] <Loder> Sound did not work in Xubuntu either, for the record
[08:30] <Loder> And in Ubuntu I'll never know, since all I got was a wallpaper after installing.. haha
[08:32] <redderhs> that may have had something to do with Unity and the older onboard video
[08:32] <Loder> Yeah
[08:32] <redderhs> but i'd imagine an error message should have arose
[08:32] <Loder> So for output devices, all I have is dummy output
[08:32] <Loder> Doesn't seem like I have a driver
[08:34] <redderhs> you tried the pulse audio and pavucontrol?
[08:34] <Loder> Yup
[08:34] <Loder> And that's all that's listed in pulse audio
[08:36] <redderhs> shouldn't you be looking under input?
[08:36] <Loder> I believe that would be a microphone
[08:36] <Loder> Nothing there at any rate
[08:37] <redderhs> yeah you're probably right. i'm too tired for this lol.
[08:38] <Loder> Haha
[08:38] <redderhs> i think that link would be very useful for other things to try
[08:38] <Loder> A terminal command to list soundcards says none found
[08:39] <redderhs> hopefully someone else would be more helpful to you than i within some time.
[08:39] <Loder> I feel like this is a driver problem
[08:39] <Loder> The system does not see the audio controller at all
[08:40] <redderhs> did any distribution of linux give you sound before?
[08:40] <redderhs> besides lu and xubuntu
[08:41] <Loder> Only tried Xubuntu 12.04 and Lubuntu 11.10
[08:41] <Loder> Well the first thing that I tried was Ubuntu 12.10
[08:41] <Loder> I did not get any sounds, I suppose maybe I would have heard a logon sound or something
[08:41] <Loder> If it had been working
[08:42] <Loder> Though I only got as far as a wallpaper and a terminal window
[08:43] <redderhs> one other thing to do..
[08:43] <redderhs> is to make sure the sound is enabled in the bios and to maybe match up your onboard sound with this: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main
[08:43] <Loder> You know, the previous users of this had a dedicated soundcard installed, but I assumed it was only to accommodate their 7.1 system
[08:43] <Loder> But maybe they installed it because the onboard audio failed
[08:44] <Loder> And the BIOS settings are good unfortunately
[08:44] <Loder> I wouldn't have a clue what the name of the onboard sound would be
[08:44] <Loder> But maybe I should postpone the sound thing until I ask them about it tomorrow
[08:44] <Loder> It might just be dead on a hardware level
[08:46] <redderhs> if you find out the model of the mobo, you should be able to find out specific details from there using google by typing in the model # of the mobo
[08:46] <Loder> So in your opinion, would you say that a Core 2 duo system @ ~2.0GHz with 2GB of RAM would be more than capable of running the latest Lubuntu or Xubuntu kernels?
[08:46] <Loder> Capably enough to watch youtube videos and play facebook games with no issues?
[08:47] <redderhs> yes, there should be absolutely no issues with any basic usage
[08:48] <Loder> K
[08:48] <Loder> And woah, I just got some weird graphical glitches
[08:48] <Loder> Black screen for couple seconds, then my IRC tab got separated to a different window
[08:49] <Loder> Had blocks of screen loading all over the place individually
[08:49] <Loder> This is the type of thing that was happening in xubuntu as well
[08:49] <redderhs> no idea if this is related.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1746497
[08:51] <Loder> Looks like it
[08:51] <redderhs> perhaps you dont have an i915 in this system and this module is getting loaded for some reason.. off guess.
[08:51] <Loder> Seems like I may be SOL with this machine though
[08:51] <Loder> Well, I have another system with almost identical specs kicking around
[08:51] <Loder> Maybe I'll just give that one a shot tomorrow
[08:51] <redderhs> if you can idle maybe hang out and see what someone else thinks.
[08:52] <redderhs> but i need to get some sleep. I wish you luck with your issue.
[08:52] <redderhs> issues*
[08:52] <Loder> Can't idle because I need to plug the regular computer back into this monitor for the morning, or I'm going to have some angry people.. haha
[08:52] <Loder> I will check back tomorrow though
[08:52] <Loder> Thanks for the help
[11:54] <Neverminder> hello all
[11:54] <Neverminder> someone (maybe) can help me with puppy?
[11:54] <Neverminder> im running it live from usb
[11:55] <Neverminder> i want to install it
[11:55] <Neverminder> but when installer starts,
[11:55] <Neverminder> and ask me for image file
[11:55] <Neverminder> i point it to /dev/sdb1 (usb stick)
[11:55] <Neverminder> it cant see it
[11:55] <Neverminder> and wants me to mount again
[12:40] <kingfisher64> is setting up samba shares the same on lubuntu as ubuntu. I'm assuming it is. If so I was planning to follow http://www.unixmen.com/howto-install-and-configure-samba-share-in-ubuntu/ instructions
[14:03] <holstein> kingfisher64: should be the same, exepct for the nautilus parts
[14:37] <adytza23> hello
[14:37] <adytza23> i have a problem
[14:37] <adytza23> my wireless connection on asus eeepc 1015bx keeps conecting and disconecting
[14:37] <adytza23> what should i do?
[14:42] <holstein> adytza23: i blacklisted the open module and installed the other
[14:42] <holstein> !broadcom
[14:42] <holstein> 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[14:43] <holstein> https://sites.google.com/site/mtrons/howtos/eeepc-1015pn is what i referenced mostly, assuming that is the same wifi hardware
[14:43] <holstein> if not, i would do the same.. try a different driver..
[14:44] <adytza23> my laptop has Atheros AW-NE785H wireless card
[14:45] <adytza23> and it keeps conecting and discoencting
[14:45] <adytza23> :(
[14:45] <holstein> you can always try the windows drivers with ndisgtk
[14:45] <holstein> adytza23: i would test with different access points
[14:47] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2035007
[14:47] <holstein> hmmm....
[17:01] <kingfisher64> was following this tut (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1623346&highlight=samba) holstein on lubuntu - win 7 sharing. I basically want to backup my laptop to desktop. Done what was suggested but win 7 isn't picking up lubuntu share and vice versa. Do you have any suggestions? Many thanks
[17:01] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[17:01] <bioterror> from windows: install winscp and use that to move files
[17:14] <kingfisher64> right bioterror, i'll look into openssh-server. I use http://www.bitvise.com/index client. Quicker than winscp.
[17:16] <kingfisher64> thanks
[17:23] <kingfisher64> bioterror++
[19:05] <Zuperman> hello, i need help
[19:05] <Zuperman> i messed up with xrandr
[19:05] <Zuperman> and suddenly my system fonts become too small
[19:05] <Zuperman> i can vearly read
[19:05] <Zuperman> *bearly
[19:05] <Zuperman> just chrome fonts are ok
[19:06] <Zuperman> terminal, menus
[19:06] <Zuperman> all fonts are 6 px i think
[19:06] <Zuperman> please, save me, i don't want to reinstall
[19:06] <Zuperman> i just installed new system
[19:07] <Zuperman> *barely
[19:07] <Zuperman> lol
[19:13] <Zuperman> anyone?
[19:13] <Unit193> Zuperman: Install arandr or lxrandr and undo whatever you did.
[19:13] <Unit193> Or, open the preferences or system tools then "Display"
[19:13] <Zuperman> yes?
[19:14] <Zuperman> no, general resolution is ok
[19:14] <Zuperman> just fonts are small
[19:56] <Zuperman> hello, i have this output when i try to sudo X -configure
[19:56] <Zuperman> number of detected screens does not match number of detected devices
[19:56] <Zuperman> i have only one monitor... and graphic card
[20:00] <mircea_cj> hi everybody ! i have a question related to lubuntu software manager, is it possible to manage add-ons of installed applications ?
[20:03] <holstein> mircea_cj: just depends... its a software manager, so if the addons come in the repos or added sources or ppas, you'll see them there
[20:03] <holstein> if not, you do it through the specific application
[20:04] <mircea_cj> on ubuntu software manager you have them right there, you can install or delete them, i thought...that lubuntu software manager has that feature
[20:05] <holstein> mircea_cj: you can install the main software manager if you prefer it
[20:06] <mircea_cj> i prefer lubuntu software manager, it doesn't matter at preferences if i change to expert mode, it never saves the configuration
[20:07] <mircea_cj> or anything i change there
[20:12] <mircea_cj> anyway, thanks for the help holstein


[00:32] <ghuru> hallo
[15:33] <DammitJim> what would be a good language to use to convert the following: http://pastebin.com/4k6L8WS9