[08:45] <kaeles2> is there any built in way to make the transcoding of the dvd's use the cluster mode of transcode, or would I need to do some script writing to handle that?
[09:02] <kaeles2> also, for some reason on 9.04 the backend configuration does not work under my vmware server 2.0
[09:12] <kaeles2> where are the actions defined that are declared in the mythtv menus, i.e. the dvd_rip action
[17:17] <zippytech> any one know why on the first screen of configuration I cannot go pass the tv out part all options will not give me a next
[17:18] <zippytech> i don't even need tv out i use rgb
[17:37] <zippytech> any one here
[18:52] <MythbuntuGuest47> !help
[18:52] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[19:06] <shesek> I have iMON remote controller, I'm not sure which option I should select while installing mythbuntu?
[21:27] <MythbuntuGuest47> Hi All,
[21:28] <MythbuntuGuest47> I'm having real problems getting my sounde working over SPDIF. I get static and sine using speaker-test, but playing MP3's won't work. any ideas?
[21:45] <Seeker`> MythbuntuGuest47: what are you using to play the mp3s?
[22:14] <MythbuntuGuest47> I just select my music in the menu and press play. I've tried using mplayer or xine as well, without success
[22:18] <Seeker`> i've not had any luck playing music through mythtv
[22:18] <Seeker`> managed to get rhythmbox working over HDMI
[22:18] <Seeker`> by setting up a .asoundrc to set the HDMI connection as the default for alsa
[23:07] <MythbuntuGuest47> whish I had HDMI.... ;)... Still no luck been trying for three days now allready. I know the card is working, external amplifier is working.
[23:08] <MythbuntuGuest47> Done the usual with the volume contoles (setting volume of iec958 to zero, enabling the iec958 etc). Still no luck....
[23:09] <MythbuntuGuest47> Ah, well, maybe I'll start all over again, with yet another version of MythTV, or look for another solution in total... All I want to to is play my MP3 collection is a nice and easy way even the wife will understand..
[23:09] <MythbuntuGuest47> Night everyone!


[10:00] <guiverc> i like my wallpapers; & just noticed on my noble box an error  "dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/ubuntustudio-wallpapers-noble_24.04.5_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/backgrounds/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio_1804.png', which is also in package ubuntustudio-wallpapers-bionic 24.04.4"  ... that may 'stump' some end-users ?
[10:01] <guiverc> (users like me who install every wallpaper package available...)
[16:18] <Eickmeyer> guiverc: Yeah, packaging error. My bad.
[16:18] <Eickmeyer> guiverc: It's also only temporary, using that wallpaper as a placeholder.


[15:28] <highvolt1ge> stgraber: hey, are you around?
[23:25] <kerl> hello
[23:26] <kerl> does edubuntu have mono preinstalled?
[23:28] <kerl> is edubuntu's mono package different from ubuntu's?


[12:28] <fabbione> doko_: ping?
[12:28] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/oo2-ftbfs.bz2
[05:05] <fabbione> hey doko
[05:05] <fabbione> did you read before?
[05:05] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/oo2-ftbfs.bz2 <-
[05:06] <fabbione> this is ubuntu3
[05:06] <fabbione> the last one you did upload
[05:07] <doko_> fabbione:  seen, don't see why. it's during the oo installation phase, so the build was ok
[05:08] <fabbione> doko_: i still have all the chroot
[05:08] <fabbione> anything you might need out of it?
[05:14] <doko_> is there anything else important in /home/sparcbuildd/openoffice.org2-2.0.1/ooo-build/build/ooa680-m1/instsetoo_native/util/OpenOffice//logging/en-US/log_OOA680__en-US.log
[05:17] <fabbione> doko_: getting to it
[05:17] <fabbione> i have 2 secs latency to that box
[05:26] <fabbione> doko_: log_OOA680__en-US.log.bz2 it's on people.u.c/~fabbione/
[05:34] <doko_> regcomp.bin: pthread_mutex_lock.c:108: __pthread_mutex_lock: Assertion `mutex->__data.__owner == 0' failed.
[05:34] <doko_> strange
[05:36] <doko_> fabbione: was this gcc-4.0_4.0.2-6ubuntu1, or the previous gcc?
[05:37] <fabbione> it's the top of the build log
[05:37] <fabbione> ah no
[05:38] <fabbione> i need to login again..
[05:39] <fabbione> Version: 4.0.2-5ubuntu2
[05:39] <fabbione> i guess i will need to update and rebuild...
[05:43] <fabbione> doko: i am going to rebuild with the new toolchain
[05:43] <fabbione> do you plan to upload OOo2 again soon?
[05:43] <fabbione> it will take a good 24 hours to get there again
[05:55] <doko_> fabbione: no, but I really don't know where I get this error from, was glibc new?
[05:55] <fabbione> yeps
[05:55] <fabbione> i can't even start the build
[05:56] <fabbione> some of the B-D are uninstallable
[05:56] <fabbione> oh well
[05:56] <fabbione> tomorrow
[05:56] <fabbione> thanks a lot doko
[05:56] <fabbione> i will let you know
[06:53] <lamont__> fabbione: it's times like this when I'm glad no one has made oo.o work on hppa yet.
[06:57] <doko> didn't tausq voluteer for it?
[07:06] <lamont__> maybe slightly
[07:06] <lamont__> but in any case, he's not _done_ with it and the patches in upstream
[10:11] <lamont__> gcc-3.4 is built with gcc-3.4?  and glibc?
[10:11] <lamont__> doko/jbailey: ^^^
[10:19] <doko> lamont__: with gcc-3.4 as well


[08:13] <tarzeau> if i say automatically check for updates: never, but it still does it, it's a bug, right?
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> affected + confirmed bug #1965235
[13:43] <eoli3n> Hi
[13:43] <eoli3n> what will be the deployment method for 22.04 release ?
[13:43] <eoli3n> preseed still ?
[13:53] <tarzeau> we switched away to that new other thing
[13:53] <tarzeau> but still hacking it to not fail
[13:54] <tarzeau> (efi/non-efi was a problem, multiple devices were one, built-in card readers were another, and so on)
[15:28] <tomreyn> that new other thing will be "autoinstall", i assume
[15:48] <eoli3n> i tried autoinstall with ubuntu server, what a mess. I hope that it will work better with some improvments on desktop
[15:48] <eoli3n> will preseed still be possible ?
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> eoli3n: 22.04 is still in development, a lot of bugs needs resolving in this stage
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> testing it early we agree to take the messy bits & breakage too
[16:18] <eoli3n> i need to start my migration early, because i have much work to port everything
[16:18] <eoli3n> that's my fifth migration, started from 12.04
[16:18] <eoli3n> anyway, i need to port NFS installed apps and the whole ansible playbook
[16:19] <eoli3n> but I don't need deployment to work for this, this will be the last part
[16:20] <eoli3n> i stay around and will notive any problem ;)
[16:27] <tomreyn> eoli3n: you're aware that LTS to LTS release upgrades are usually not supported until *around* there is the first point release for the new LTS?
[16:28] <tomreyn> i.e. 20.04 LTS -> 22.04 LTS would become supported *around* the time 22.04.1 releases.
[18:14] <eoli3n> tomreyn i just need a fresh install
[20:10] <c355E3B> Is there an upgrade path for moving off of needing the `libzfs2linux` for Ubuntu 18.04 to Ubuntu 22.04?
[20:53] <oerheks> recieved in #xubuntu;
 Hey all... just testing the cdimage for 22.04 and noticed that when I install icebreaker it goes to "Other" in the menus, rather than "Games" (it's listed in Games in 20.04). I'm sure it's not a very big priority, but thought I'd mention it.


[01:09] <bddebian> Howdy
[01:13] <Burgwork> hey bddebian
[01:13] <bddebian> Heya Burgwork
[02:12] <LaserJock> hi, thanks
[02:13] <LaserJock> whiprush: originally, as you saw, I was going to implement that spec via sabayon profiles
[02:13] <whiprush> I don't think you can do menu stuff with sabayon
[02:13] <LaserJock> well, you can, if you have 1 profiles per user
[02:14] <LaserJock> but the dynamic aspect of the menus comes from students being able to be in multiple groups and those groups changing
[02:14] <LaserJock> so currently I'm implementing my own thing
[02:15] <whiprush> how will that work?
[02:15] <LaserJock> where when a user logs in they get shuffled off to their own menu file
[02:16] <LaserJock> basically each dynamic menu user gets an application.menu file in /usr/share/edubuntu-menus/user/
[02:16] <LaserJock> and at login I have an Xsession.d script that sets XDG_CONFIG_DIRS to that directory
[02:16] <LaserJock> I think it will work ok
[02:17] <whiprush> yeah that'll work
[02:17] <LaserJock> but my biggest problem is that the group .menu files don't have an easy way of being editied
[02:17] <LaserJock> so we are going to ship predefined groups and if the admin wants to change them they have to do it manually
[02:18] <LaserJock> which his less than idea for sure in Edubuntu
[02:18] <LaserJock> that's what was nice about sabayon
[02:18] <LaserJock> it is very easy to create a profile
[02:18] <whiprush> yeah, it's pretty innovative
[02:19] <LaserJock> whiprush: how big of a deployment do you use it on?
[02:19] <whiprush> ~2800 users
[02:19] <whiprush> only 2 labs though
[02:19] <LaserJock> wow, lots of users
[02:19] <LaserJock> how many profiles?
[02:20] <whiprush> 3.   Why can't someone use a 10240 x 7680 super high resolution TIFF for a background?
[02:27] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Hmm, interesting use of the try: except: block.  That all there is, and does this replace the shell script you sent me the other day?
[02:28] <LaserJock> no, it's in addition too
[02:28] <sbalneav> How does it get run?
[02:28] <LaserJock> well, yah know. I'm no programmer so I'm open to suggestiongs
[02:28] <LaserJock> command line or from the script
[02:29] <sbalneav> No, it's fine, syntactically, it's absolutely correct.  I've just never seen it used quite like that, but hey: it works!
[02:29] <sbalneav> So, how does one create the menu profiles?
[02:29] <LaserJock> well, that's why I wanted to have "real" programmers check my scripts over
[02:29] <LaserJock> they should be fast
[02:29] <LaserJock> as they are run at login
[02:30] <LaserJock> sbalneav: by hand :-)
[02:30] <sbalneav> Lemme go poke my nose into the spec, see if I can't give you a bit of a hand...
[02:31] <nixternal> LaserJock: my "Applications" menu flashes after installing Edgy, when i goto click on it and activate it...further reading i found out if i 'killall -q gam_server' stops that from occuring...any ideas if this is a bug with the 'latest release' or???
[02:31] <nixternal> take it easy, im not a gnome guy ;)
[02:31] <sbalneav> nixternal: hahaha
[02:31] <sbalneav> I got bitten by that one.
[02:31] <LaserJock> nixternal: go into /etc/xdg/menus/
[02:31] <sbalneav> It's a symlink pointing to nowhere
[02:31] <LaserJock> nixternal: and rm the symlink
[02:31] <sbalneav> yep
[02:31] <LaserJock> for the debian menu
[02:31] <nixternal> i do however, think that edubuntu has the hottest default look of any os i have tried in my 20+ years of computer use
[02:32] <nixternal> thank you sir!
[02:32] <LaserJock> but of course it's the hottest ;-)
[02:32] <sbalneav> Gartoon + red borders + bluegreen wallpaper = WIN!
[02:32] <nixternal> i love the wp definitely..the icons rock though..i like them
[02:32] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ok, let me quickly put a tarball together of what I've got and how it works and I'll send it to you
[02:33] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Super Duper Pooper Scoopers!
[02:34] <sbalneav> I've got a ton of stuff done today on some of the localdev stuff, so I'll give you a hand for a bit seeing as how rodarvus seems to have the dhcpd autoconfig spec under control.
[02:41] <LaserJock> sbalneav: what's the email addy?
[02:41] <sbalneav><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:41] <sbalneav> I need to beg for an ubuntu one, one of these days :)
[02:42] <LaserJock> think that can be arranged
[02:42] <LaserJock> ;-)
[02:42] <LaserJock> you buttered up the Edubuntu Council pretty well in Paris
[02:43] <sbalneav> Having seen me, you can tell I'm no stranger to butter.
[02:44] <LaserJock> hahaha
[02:44] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ok, sent. I have to go now. See you tomorrow
[02:44] <sbalneav> Okeydokey, I'll poke it a bit tonight.
[02:45] <sbalneav> Send you results of my testing tomorrow.
[02:45] <LaserJock> whiprush: thanks for the discussion
[02:45] <LaserJock> sbalneav: excellent
[02:45] <LaserJock> ;-)
[03:16] <freddie42> just wondering, does edubuntu have an equivalent to synchroneyes?
[03:29] <madar> hello I just installed edubuntu on a machine for my niece, very nice
[03:29] <madar> however I can't get a sceen resolution above 800x600
[03:30] <madar> I added mode lines for 1024x768 to the xorg.conf but it still doesn't appear as an option in the gui screen resolution tool
[03:30] <madar> any ideas?
[03:30] <madar> using vesa driver for onboard 2mb video
[03:31] <madar> will display 1024x768 on live knoppix type disks
[03:44] <sbalneav> madar: What type of chipset is it?
[03:44] <sbalneav> You'd be better off not using the vesa driver.
[04:10] <madar> hello sbalneav it's reporting as an ati 3d IIc agp but it's onboard from what I can tell
[04:10] <madar> old dell P2 box
[04:10] <madar> DSL will give me nice 1280x1024 using xvesa
[04:11] <madar> I've added mode lines for higher than 800x600 but they don't show up
[04:11] <madar> edubuntu defaults to using a driver listed as "ati"
[04:20] <sbalneav> madar: well, that would be the default driver for that card.
[04:21] <madar> hmm well I'd prefer a better screen resolution and using a framebuffer
[04:21] <madar> is that possible?
[04:22] <madar> I added modelines for 1024x768 but it doesn't show up in the gui "screen resolution" tool as an option
[04:23] <madar> what does that tool read from that it won't even offer my modeline as an option?
[04:24] <sbalneav> What kind of monitor do you have?
[04:24] <sbalneav> And if you could paste your xorg.conf file to the pastebin?
[04:24] <sbalneav> !pastebin
[04:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:28] <madar> I appreciate the help but I have to run for a while I'll be back on in an hour or so if you're still here
[04:28] <madar> thanks sbalneav
[04:28] <sbalneav> I'll be around
[04:28] <madar> cheers
[05:00] <supernova> !pastebin
[05:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:04] <supernova> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21938
[05:05] <supernova> hello sbalneav, I was madar before I'm supernova over hear on the edubuntu box
[05:05] <supernova> that's my xorg.conf file
[05:06] <supernova> over "here" I mean ;)
[05:07] <sbalneav> I would expect that the dpms option is probably what's mucking you up.
[05:07] <sbalneav> Either the card isn't passing through the right dpms options, or
[05:07] <sbalneav> the monitor itself isn't reporting them correctly.
[05:07] <sbalneav> hold on, let me see if I can suggest something.
[05:07] <supernova> what would you recommend
[05:08] <supernova> comment it out
[05:09] <sbalneav> no, that wont work :)
[05:10] <madar> so I see :)
[05:13] <sbalneav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21939
[05:14] <sbalneav> Replace the monitor section with that, see if it helps any better
[05:14] <sbalneav> It specifies a good horiz + vertical sync range, it's probably detecting one too low.
[05:14] <sbalneav> make sure to make a backup copy first
[05:15] <sbalneav> cp xorg.conf xorg.pre-fiddling
[05:28] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[05:30] <LaserJock> hell
[05:30] <LaserJock> o
[05:30] <LaserJock> :-)
[05:30] <LaserJock> sbalneav: pingy
[05:30] <sbalneav> Hey laserjock
[05:31] <sbalneav> I'm hacking as we speak.
[05:31] <LaserJock> ah cool
[05:31] <LaserJock> how does it look?
[05:31] <sbalneav> Umm, how were you planning on creating /usr/share/edubuntu-menus/users/<user>/application.menu?
[05:32] <sbalneav> /usr/share<...>'s all owned by root :(
[05:32] <LaserJock> that's done by update_menus
[05:33] <sbalneav> which, your update menus?
[05:33] <sbalneav> edubuntu-update-menus you mean?
[05:34] <LaserJock> update_menu function in edubuntu-update-menus
[05:34] <sbalneav> right, problem is, in /etc/X11/Xsession.d, you're not running as root
[05:34] <sbalneav> You're running as the user
[05:34] <LaserJock> oh, that's right
[05:34] <sbalneav> so creating a file in a root-owned directory's going to cause a problem.
[05:34] <sbalneav> :)
[05:35] <sbalneav> No worries.
[05:35] <LaserJock> I was thinking of the admin running it manually
[05:35] <LaserJock> but you're right
[05:35] <sbalneav> I'm hacking it so that the menu's created in ${HOME}/.edubuntu-menus/application.menu
[05:35] <LaserJock> I don't think ogra's going to like that
[05:36] <LaserJock> :/
[05:36] <LaserJock> he wants it out of ~/ but maybe we can discuss that
[05:37] <sbalneav> Hmmm, unless he wants it to be totally an admin function.  If that's the case, it's fine then, other than the fact that there's no point in trying to run it in 25....
[05:37] <sbalneav> because the user won't be able to update it anyway.
[05:37] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:37] <LaserJock> we would have to seperate out using from updating
[05:38] <sbalneav> Right.
[05:38] <LaserJock> I had hoped to make it all automatic
[05:38] <sbalneav> The 25... rc script would just check for the existance of the menu, and if it's there, then set the environment variable.
[05:38] <sbalneav> the update would have to be run by root to create the user menus.
[05:39] <LaserJock> right
[05:39] <LaserJock> so maybe a cron job or something
[05:39] <sbalneav> Which, like I say, is fine, if that's what's intended.
[05:39] <sbalneav> Absolutely
[05:39] <LaserJock> well, that would sort of simplify things
[05:39] <LaserJock> I guess I need to think like an admin ;-)
[05:40] <sbalneav> hmmm
[05:40] <sbalneav> hmmmmm
[05:40] <sbalneav> hmmmmmmmm
[05:40] <LaserJock> I was sort of thinking it was important to be able to immediatly have the menu active
[05:40] <LaserJock> as soon as the user was added to the group
[05:42] <sbalneav> Not sure if this will work.
[05:42] <LaserJock> "hello, anybody home?"
[05:42] <sbalneav> Here's the core of the idea
[05:42] <sbalneav> What if you simply made one BIG merged file, with all the possible group menus in it.
[05:43] <sbalneav> Pointed everyone at that.
[05:43] <sbalneav> then, the included menu files...
[05:43] <sbalneav> were chmod 640, with the group ownership the same as the group name...
[05:43] <sbalneav> so...
[05:43] <sbalneav> chem.menu is owned root, chem, mode 640
[05:44] <sbalneav> Anyone in the chem group will be able to read it.
[05:44] <sbalneav> anyone NOT in the chem group, wont.
[05:44] <sbalneav> The question is, will the menu system quietly not include the ones you don't have read access to?
[05:45] <sbalneav> Or, will it barf all over the place because you're including a file you can't read.
[05:45] <LaserJock> well, the bigger question is:
[05:45] <LaserJock> what if you belong to more than one group
[05:45] <LaserJock> I think it will jut pick the first applications.menu it finds
[05:45] <sbalneav> Thats easy, then you get a merged menu.  (i think).
[05:45] <sbalneav> Lets test this little theory, shall we? :)
[05:46] <LaserJock> I tested it before
[05:46] <sbalneav> Oh, did you?
[05:46] <LaserJock> and it just picked up the first one
[05:46] <LaserJock> but I didn't test it the same way
[05:46] <LaserJock> I say try it
[05:46] <sbalneav> OK, gimme 5 minutes to test my insane theory
[05:47] <LaserJock> np, I'm eyeing a wild fire that has started near my house :/
[05:49] <sbalneav> ack!
[05:49] <sbalneav> thats no good
[05:50] <sbalneav> Lightning strike?
[05:50] <bddebian> LaserJock: Stop playing with those lasers! ;-P
[05:50] <LaserJock> sbalneav: not sure
[05:50] <LaserJock> but it's probably ~1 mile or so away but the breeze is in this direction
[05:50] <bddebian> Ugh
[05:50] <LaserJock> bddebian: "It wasn't me, honest" ;-)
[05:51] <LaserJock> yeah, this is the closest fire I've seen since moving here
[05:51] <LaserJock> and we have a lot of fires here
[05:53] <aspekt> I have a newbie question if anyone has time...?
[05:53] <LaserJock> aspekt: just put it out there
[05:53] <LaserJock> :-)
[05:54] <aspekt> I am running ubuntu but would like my children to have access to edubuntu - is there a script or similar to upgrade [sidegrade]  to edubuntu?
[05:55] <LaserJock> you could install edubuntu-desktop
[05:55] <LaserJock> it would pull in the dependecies so that it would look like edubuntu
[05:55] <LaserJock> but if there are only a couple apps in particular that they would be interested in you might be better of just installing them directly
[05:55] <aspekt> ah OK and that will keep the underlying stuff I already have?
[05:55] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:56] <LaserJock> it shouldn't replace anything
[05:56] <aspekt> cool - thats great. thanks
[05:56] <LaserJock> just look over what it wants to do before you hit the "apply" button
[05:56] <LaserJock> or whatever
[05:57] <aspekt> OK - i will do. [now that I have the gui back after the *update*]
[05:57] <LaserJock> heh
[05:57] <aspekt> where are the fires? not in greece?
[05:57] <LaserJock> no, US
[05:57] <aspekt> oh OK
[05:57] <LaserJock> Reno, Nevada to be more accurate
[05:57] <aspekt> best of luck then
[05:58] <LaserJock> it'd have to cross a lot of water to get to greece
[05:58] <LaserJock> :-)
[05:58] <aspekt> they have some bad ones there of their own
[05:58] <LaserJock> not fun
[05:59] <aspekt> yeah - I have just moved to Sydney and I am not looking forward to the summer fires here
[06:07] <LaserJock> sbalneav: did it work? or did you fry your machine?
[06:07] <sbalneav> heh, still hacking.  Not doing what I'm wanting.
[06:08] <sbalneav> How's the fire?
[06:08] <sbalneav> bail if it gets too close.
[06:08] <sbalneav> We need you.
[06:08] <LaserJock> I'll be hacking to the end!
[06:08] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:09] <LaserJock> really, I think probably a cron job and the ability for the sysadmin to run a sudo edubuntu-menus-update would be pretty good
[06:12] <sbalneav> More than likely.
[06:13] <sbalneav> I just want to exhaust this posibility, because it will get both what you want (instant update) and what ogra wants (no nothing in user home dirs)
[06:13] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:14] <LaserJock> well, would it be a really big no no to make the user's /usr/share/edubuntu-menus/users/ dir writable for them?
[06:51] <sbalneav> LaserJock: ping
[06:51] <LaserJock> yeah?
[06:51] <sbalneav> ok, how about this:
[06:51] <sbalneav> so...
[06:52] <sbalneav> hold on, lemme get a terminal into the other box...
[06:52] <sbalneav> Umm, join me in #xdg-menu
[08:39] <RichEd> hello
[08:39] <Burgundavia> hey RichEd
[08:40] <RichEd> hi Burgundavia ... how's the land of maple leaves ... autumn setting in ?
[08:40] <Burgundavia> not yet
[08:40] <Burgundavia> August is still end of summer
[08:41] <RichEd> oh ... 'cos cape town is springing ... mulberries already ripening on the trees
[08:43] <RichEd> quick question for you that Will and I were pondering ... in a multi-seat desktop solution, how does a "software solution work" ... how do you get the extra monitors & keyboard & mice running off the single CPU ... what are we missing in the picture ?
[08:43] <Burgundavia> we use virtualized X
[08:44] <RichEd> What's your site url again ? I better read up.
[08:46] <Burgundavia> userful.com
[08:46] <Burgundavia> desktop-multiplier is part of multiverse in dapper
[08:48] <RichEd> hi LaserJock :)
[08:48] <LaserJock> hi RichEd
[08:48] <Burgundavia> hye LaserJock
[08:49] <LaserJock> hehe
[08:55] <RichEd> hello highvoltage : got schalk's email address for me ? minutes going out this morning.
[09:00] <highvoltage> hi RichEd
[09:00] <highvoltage> sure<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:00] <highvoltage> RichEd: he missed his flight on Friday :)
[09:01] <RichEd> Thanks & Oops ... not my fault I hope ? Did he get manage to get off later on Friday ?
[09:03] <highvoltage> no, not your fault. yes he got a later one at 4
[09:06] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: pygi is still trying to get a hold of you
[09:06] <Burgundavia> and hello
[09:07] <highvoltage> hello Burgundavia :)
[09:07] <highvoltage> I ponged him last night, but it seems I missed him again, which is strange, since we're in the same timezone
[09:08] <highvoltage> i suppose e-mail works better for certain things
[09:09] <Burgundavia> indeed
[09:09] <cbx33> mornin all
[09:09] <highvoltage> morning cbx33
[09:09] <highvoltage> cbx33: got my messages last night?
[09:09] <cbx33> highvoltage: possibly not?
[09:10] <cbx33> I got one about you being connected for a whole minute?
[09:11] <highvoltage> heh, yes, that was the last message
[09:14] <Burgundavia> vote: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnome-games/survey.html
[09:16] <cbx33> Mornin RichEd
[09:16] <RichEd> hi cbx33 ... how was the bank holiday ?
[09:17] <cbx33> yeh was great
[09:17] <cbx33> just blogging about it now
[09:17] <cbx33> Went to the Southsea kite festival :D
[09:18] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/~cbx33co/?q=node/40
[09:18] <cbx33> I got my new kite on Sunday - and Ultra Light version, that's the purple one....
[09:19] <cbx33> I do the guys website who makes them, so he gives me a kite every now and then, bearing in mind they cost about 300 each hehehehehe
[09:19] <RichEd> :) fair exchange
[09:20] <cbx33> indeed, we totalled up the cost of his site
[09:20] <cbx33> 5,000
[09:20] <cbx33> so far
[09:21] <highvoltage> cbx33: nice blog, you should get it on ubuntu planet
[09:21] <cbx33> highvoltage: I tried
[09:21] <cbx33> nobody replied
[09:21] <highvoltage> did you e-mail jeff or the RT?
[09:21] <cbx33> jdub
[09:21] <highvoltage> it's best to e-mail rt for that
[09:22] <highvoltage> they'll sort it out quickly
[09:22] <cbx33> ahh ok
[09:22] <cbx33> you got a mail address?
[09:22] <Burgundavia> cbx33: adding to planet is now a thing you can do yourself
[09:22] <Burgundavia> there is a page on the wiki
[09:22] <cbx33> oh cool
[09:22] <cbx33> ok I'll check that out
[09:22] <cbx33> you don't happen to have a link do you?
[09:23] <highvoltage> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[09:24] <cbx33> ool
[09:24] <cbx33> +c
[09:26] <cbx33> I'll have to do that at home
[09:26] <cbx33> I don't have sftp access here
[09:26] <cbx33> how OT can my blog be?
[09:26] <cbx33> should I only send through linux stuff
[09:26] <cbx33> as you can see I blog about other rubbish too
[09:27] <Burgundavia> mine is mostly offtopic but mostly about LInux
[09:27] <Burgundavia> planet ubuntu is about people, not neccesarily ubuntu
[09:28] <highvoltage> cbx33: afaik you can blog about whatever you want
[09:28] <highvoltage> cbx33: but personally i would urge you not to blog about cats
[09:31] <cbx33> cats?
[09:31] <cbx33> why not cats?
[09:32] <highvoltage> there are too many cat blogs already :)
[09:32] <cbx33> eheheh
[09:32] <cbx33> well it won't be about cats
[09:33] <cbx33> kites + linux
[09:34] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: but I *love* cute overload!
[09:42] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: :)
[09:45] <cbx33> Lisa really really wants one
[10:22] <cbx33> ping RichEd
[10:22] <RichEd> cbx33: already a window open ... go for it
[10:23] <cbx33> heheh
[10:52] <cbx33> mornin pygi
[11:03] <highvoltage> hey pygi
[11:14] <cbx33> hi ogra
[11:14] <ogra> moin
[11:15] <cbx33> ogra: pessulus does have the ability to have modules
[11:15] <cbx33> I'm wondering if we could write a module to achieve what we need
[11:15] <cbx33> also http://www.vuntz.net/journal/2006/03/09/364-do-you-want-to-be-a-cool-gnome-contributor
[11:16] <cbx33> seems vuntz is looking for a maintainer for pessulus
[11:16] <cbx33> well a co-maintainer
[11:16] <ogra> and ? any abitions on your side ? :)
[11:20] <cbx33> heheh
[11:20] <cbx33> I don;t think I'd be a suitable choice really would I
[11:20] <cbx33> I'm not that good at stuff yet
[11:20] <cbx33> including constructing large and interesting sentences
[11:21] <ogra> learning by doing ;)
[11:22] <ogra> (to answer with a large and intresting sentence :P)
[11:22] <cbx33> :p
[11:22] <cbx33> If I can get hold of vuntz I'll ask what needs to be done
[11:23] <scythe> hi
[11:23] <cbx33> the is a version of pessulus integrated into sabayon
[11:23] <cbx33> I didn't know that
[11:23] <cbx33> they now what to break it out
[11:23] <cbx33> so it's seperate
[11:23] <cbx33> and a standalone package
[11:23] <ogra> nice
[11:23] <cbx33> yeh
[11:23] <ogra> hi scythe
[11:23] <cbx33> would be great if it did the things we need
[11:23] <cbx33> I looked for docs on the modules in pessulus
[11:23] <cbx33> but can't find any
[11:24] <cbx33> I wonder if it's likely to be ready for edgy?
[11:25] <ogra> well, it did what i wanted it to do when i tested it ... but only for the current user
[11:25] <cbx33> ogra: yes
[11:25] <cbx33> that user presumably didn't have the rights to change teh global settings?
[11:25] <ogra> then jdub told me there is a doc how to use that users profile systemwide or for certain users
[11:25] <cbx33> hmmm
[11:26] <ogra> we'll probably need to create a SCP dummy user
[11:26] <cbx33> but then that means restricting that user
[11:26] <cbx33> yeh
[11:26] <cbx33> which you would have to loginto to change the pessulus options
[11:26] <cbx33> ??
[11:26] <ogra> make all changes for hi and copy them to the selected users
[11:26] <ogra> *him
[11:26] <ogra> you can just su to him
[11:26] <cbx33> not the best solution
[11:26] <cbx33> yeh i suppose
[11:26] <cbx33> but then
[11:26] <cbx33> that's what I was doing with sux
[11:27] <cbx33> but graphically
[11:27] <ogra> hmm, we're running on a ltsp server ...
[11:27] <cbx33> yes
[11:27] <cbx33> is there no way to get it to work?
[11:27] <cbx33> have you tried it?
[11:27] <ogra> ssh -X scp-user@localhost pessulus
[11:27] <ogra> ;)
[11:27] <cbx33> possible
[11:27] <cbx33> but you'd need to put in a password
[11:27] <ogra> no
[11:27] <cbx33> right?
[11:28] <cbx33> oh?
[11:28] <ogra> you need to have the key
[11:28] <cbx33> why not?
[11:28] <cbx33> ahhhh !!!1
[11:28] <cbx33> of course
[11:28] <ogra> you can do key based auth
[11:28] <cbx33> that's a good idea
[11:28] <scythe> ogra: ah you run a ltsp server? do you have one account for all clients?
[11:28] <cbx33> scythe: no
[11:28] <cbx33> well i don;t
[11:28] <ogra> scythe, nope
[11:29] <cbx33> hmmm
[11:29] <cbx33> so, each user would have a key that allowed the admin to access
[11:30] <cbx33> what if they delete the key? or would we permission it so they couldn't
[11:31] <scythe> ogra,cbx33: I set up a ltsp server for a primary school. best would be, if there is no login for the clients. I created one account and locked panel and things like that. but the background can still be changed.
[11:32] <scythe> but this solution is not so perfekt for saving and deleting files :/
[11:32] <ogra> right
[11:32] <ogra> also firefox wont be happy about it
[11:32] <cbx33> ogra: can I ask you, how much SCP time will you have?
[11:32] <ogra> and openoffice
[11:32] <scythe> orga: yes
[11:32] <cbx33> ogra: indeed ++
[11:33] <ogra> cbx33, i cant tell yet ... depends how much time ldm and the dhcpd autoconf installer take
[11:33] <cbx33> ok
[11:33] <cbx33> I'm just thinking how much longer we have
[11:34] <scythe> orga: do you have a solution? I think the only way is an extra account for each client. but loging in with username and password is dificult for 1st,2nd mayby 3rd class
[11:34] <cbx33> scythe: have a simple password
[11:34] <ogra> cbx33, well, it needs to move to main ... that will take one or two days ... that needs to happen before sept 7th
[11:34] <cbx33> ok
[11:34] <cbx33> basically do you want me to fix pessulus?
[11:34] <cbx33> if we can?
[11:34] <ogra> scythe, thats currently the best solution
[11:34] <cbx33> or start polishing?
[11:35] <ogra> just tape username and password on the monitor ?
[11:35] <ogra> there is a debian guy working on a patch that enables autologin with sshkeys on a per client base  ...
[11:35] <ogra> but thats unlikely to be ready before edgy+1
[11:36] <scythe> cbx33, ogra: is there a way to create useraccounts with no password?
[11:36] <ogra> hmm, i'm not sure we block it ...
[11:36] <ogra> but i never tried to e honest
[11:39] <scythe> and can I lock the changing of backgrounds? everything else, I think, is locked by pessulus and sabayon.
[11:40] <ogra> hmm
[11:41] <ogra> if nautilus doesnt support that through a gconf key i fear it wont work ...
[11:42] <scythe> ogra: hmm, didn't try nautilus. just pessulus and sabayon.
[11:42] <ogra> nautilus is the filemanager
[11:42] <scythe> ogra: ah, ok ;)
[11:43] <scythe> ogra: first time on gnome. normaly I use Kanotix with KDE
[11:43] <ogra> you coud disable the "show-desktop" key, but then you would also loose the ability to have folders on the desktop
[11:44] <cbx33> ogra: is sabayon stable enough for us to use?
[11:44] <ogra> well, it still will need a default profile and likely the package should have a debconf feature that adds this profile to all existing users
[11:45] <ogra> but i want to put it in the ship seed, so its on the CD but not installed by default
[11:45] <cbx33> right ok
[11:45] <cbx33> bud, I need a date.....I know that freeze is coming soon, and I know you're so busy
[11:45] <cbx33> but I also know that we'll need to tweak my code here and there
[11:46] <cbx33> what is my deadlin for new features...?
[11:46] <cbx33> as in sorting pessulus,
[11:46] <cbx33> and looking at VNC....I left that till last as you said you'd do it if you had time
[11:46] <cbx33> I just don;t want us to ge to the stage where it's in too much of a mess to amke it for edgy
[11:46] <cbx33> it's gotten some great new features would be ashame to miss out on them
[11:47] <highvoltage> hi there ogra
[11:48] <ogra> we always can drop features if its to difficult to get them in properly
[11:48] <ogra> i dont think pessulus is a critical one
[11:48] <cbx33> oh yeh I know that
[11:48] <cbx33> well, shall we say this
[11:48] <ogra> the exec/message and kill features were the most important ones
[11:48] <cbx33> i mean I'm pretty sure if we come up with a sane way to do the ssh keys it'll be fine
[11:49] <cbx33> the interface in SCP is done
[11:49] <ogra> and these you solved in a beautiful way
[11:49] <cbx33> I just need to change the command line so to speak
[11:49] <cbx33> thanks ogra :D
[11:49] <ogra> highvoltage, nah
[11:49] <cbx33> highvoltage: I know I'm in that list...it's just I manage to bufferoverflow it :p
[11:49] <ogra> highvoltage, morning
[11:50] <highvoltage> ogra: :)
[11:50] <cbx33> oh and remember the plugin system....I'm really gonna push you here, I'd like to push for server/client implementation this release
[11:50] <cbx33> I'll keep the old system too, but I know I can do it
[11:50] <cbx33> and it would make it so much more powerful
[11:50] <cbx33> it's all up here .... ^
[11:50] <ogra> right, but it will make the spec more complicated
[11:50] <scythe> can I duplicate an user account? so I don't have to setup xy times new accounts?
[11:50] <ogra> remember we need to get that approved
[11:50] <cbx33> only slightly.....
[11:51] <cbx33> yeh....ok
[11:51] <cbx33> all it will do is run the server plugin as stated..
[11:51] <cbx33> then signal over dbus to run the client one too
[11:51] <cbx33> but you're right
[11:51] <cbx33> the spec would be more complicated
[11:51] <cbx33> ok we'll leave that for edgy +1
[11:52] <cbx33> I'll take a look at the pessulus problem, as I'm pretty sure we can solve that easily
[11:52] <ogra> lets make small steps in the beginning ... edgy+1 will have a way longer feature development time
[11:52] <cbx33> ok
[11:52] <cbx33> sorry
[11:52] <cbx33> I get carried away
[11:53] <scythe> ogra: are you the head developer?
[11:54] <ogra> scythe, until dapper i was, yes ... now we're rater moving to a team effort
[11:54] <ogra> so i have more dev time and less maintenance work to do ;)
[11:54] <scythe> ogra: ah, I think I saw your presentation on linuxtag 06 :=)
[11:54] <ogra> ah, nice :)
[11:55] <cbx33> ogra: will you be working on VNC?
[11:55] <cbx33> when you ge a spare 20 seconds?
[11:55] <ogra> heh
[11:55] <ogra> if it would be doable in 20sec i'd have done it already
[11:55] <cbx33> it is doable in 20 seconds for you :p
[11:56] <ogra> i'm a bit under pressure to get the dhcpd stuff in so it can be on knot 2 or 3
[11:56] <ogra> it will need testing
[11:56] <ogra> (knot 2 is planned for this week)
[11:56] <ogra> and i'm still hitting debian introduced bugs that need fixage even before knot2, else ltsp wont be useable
[11:57] <cbx33> right
[11:57] <cbx33> those are totally important
[11:57] <cbx33> I'll try to look at it...
[11:57] <cbx33> see what I can come up with
[11:59] <cbx33> man I hate Windows XP
[12:02] <highvoltage> who doesn't
[12:02] <cbx33> i have a machine that's taking 2 mins to login
[12:02] <cbx33> just sitting on applying pseronaly settings
[12:02] <cbx33> can I see what it's doing
[12:03] <cbx33>  NO!
[12:04] <scythe> doesn't anyone know how to duplicate an user account (sample account)?
[12:05] <cbx33> duplicate what about it?
[12:05] <cbx33> why don't you write a bash script, give it a list of usernames and it'll create them all the same
[12:05] <highvoltage> scythe: you can also create a new user using the old user as a skeleton directory
[12:07] <scythe> highvoltage: how does it work?
[12:09] <scythe> cbx33: but then they don't have the settings I made. for example the menu, the background, installed programs in home directory, ...
[12:10] <cbx33> ah
[12:10] <cbx33> then do what highvoltage said
[12:10] <scythe> but how?
[12:10] <cbx33> there is a command line option to use a skel dir
[12:10] <cbx33> run man useradd
[12:10] <scythe> thx :)
[12:15] <cbx33> np
[12:20] <highvoltage> scythe: useradd has a -k switch for skeleton directory
[12:20] <highvoltage> so you would use, for example
[12:20] <highvoltage> useradd newuser -m -k /home/olduser
[12:20] <scythe> highvoltage: thx
[12:20] <highvoltage> you'd then need to give the user a password with:
[12:21] <highvoltage> passwd newuser
[12:22] <scythe> highvoltage: I'll test it :)
[12:31] <scythe> highvoltage: works perfekt. I copied the needed stuff under /etc/skel. so every new user is created with my defaults.
[12:32] <cbx33> nice scythe
[12:33] <cbx33> highvoltage: does that change all the permissions too?
[12:35] <scythe> cbx33: by creating new accounts with /etc/skel it does
[12:36] <cbx33> cool
[12:48] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes, it does
[12:49] <cbx33> :p
[01:16] <cbx33> hi rodarvus
[01:16] <rodarvus> hi cbx33
[01:17] <rodarvus> you were looking for me last night, right?
[01:17] <cbx33> i was
[01:17] <cbx33> but it's all sorted
[01:17] <cbx33> I foudn a strange bug
[01:17] <cbx33> and want to check ti wasn't a security risk
[01:18] <cbx33> goto a text console and type [D as the username and press enter
[01:18] <cbx33> all the text from then on is in capitals
[01:18] <cbx33> one person hasn;'t been able to reproduce
[01:18] <cbx33> 3 have
[01:25] <cbx33> strange eh?
[01:36] <rodarvus> oh, cbx33 left
[01:49] <rodarvus> how strange. *all* irc channels are extremely quiet today
[01:59] <jsgotangco> RichEd: are you there and free for a moment?
[01:59] <RichEd> hi jsgotangco ... yep ... got a few minutes ... may have an incoming phone call soon
[02:00] <jsgotangco> ok this should be quick
[02:00] <jsgotangco> I got to talk to the E Media group today
[02:00] <jsgotangco> we're pretty much not in tune at the moment, there's a disconnect...
[02:00] <jsgotangco> these guys are broadcasters, not interactive media people
[02:00] <jsgotangco> so we can't seem to make a connection on where interactive education can come in :/
[02:01] <jsgotangco> at the moment, the DVD shows works
[02:01] <RichEd> okay ... do you have a bit of time to look at a South African Model ? a partner of ours in the HP NEPAD schools project ?
[02:02] <jsgotangco> i can look, but i need URLs or case studies
[02:02] <jsgotangco> a server model won't work here, its too costly
[02:02] <jsgotangco> we're expecting a donation of old  PPCCs
[02:02] <jsgotangco> err PPCs
[02:02] <RichEd> As quick background, they produce learning content for regular TV broadcast and also package into stream & store for replay.
[02:03] <RichEd> They are a "non-profit foundation" with an excellent reputation and long term history. Started with Newspaper insert, and on to TV and then on to IT. May be a good model to follow.
[02:04] <RichEd> Give me a minute to get you the links.
[02:05] <RichEd> here you go: have a look at this http://www.mindset.co.za/
[02:06] <RichEd> They are serious enough about assisting education to be prepared to share learnings if requested.
[02:07] <jsgotangco> yeah, its obviously an evolution in learning but how a foundation with television media experience go into interactive education is another question...also the said learning content on DVD is based on the government curriculum and accredited
[02:09] <RichEd> jsgotangco: your statement above is an exact parallel with the evolution of mindset. from print, to TV, to PC. government approved. curriculum. engage the department of health. 100% fit.
[02:09] <jsgotangco> RichEd: im sure you get what I mean, its pretty easy to say hey here's kalzium its an award winning chemistry app, then they will ask, so what, we make chemistry teaching story based and it works,
[02:11] <RichEd> That is again exactly what mindset do. If cartoons are the best medium to teach, they use them. The move towards IT is "when IT is better at delivery" not just "because".
[02:11] <jsgotangco> we know it'll be effective but the question is how to make it non invasive
[02:11] <jsgotangco> with GILAS, its easier because its just internet access
[02:11] <jsgotangco> with EMedia its quite complicated
[02:12] <RichEd> Browse the site link above. If eMedia is serious, they can engage Mindset to share the model. I can provide introductions.
[02:13] <RichEd> It is NOT an attempt to push IT into schools. It is a learning network, first & foremost. With apropriate tools & mediums for a best fit with education goals. No other agenda.
[02:19] <jsgotangco> RichEd: I think they're quite serious about it, otherwise, they wouldn't have called the whole management team and discuss about it with me
[02:20] <jsgotangco> ;)
[02:20] <cberlo> Hi folks.
[02:21] <jsgotangco> RichEd: its just that im not an educator by profession and this is getting way out of my head ;)
[02:21] <cberlo> Anyone know anything about VLANs, and configuring them between Cisco and Nortel routers?
[02:22] <jsgotangco> RichEd: it is like the two towers ;)
[02:40] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: thanks for that good response on that e-mail, I didn't quite understand why it was a .xml file myself, but you cleared it up very nicely
[02:42] <jsgotangco> yeah i noticed it was d.ubuntu.com
[02:44] <jsgotangco> ive just seen the biggest sized powerpoint presentation ever at the moment
[02:45] <jsgotangco> and its taking forever to open from OOo2 ;)
[02:51] <jsgotangco> oh its on a spongebob squarepants CDR lol
[02:56] <highvoltage> lol
[02:57] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: dude its 207MB
[02:57] <highvoltage> users are quite bad like that
[02:57] <highvoltage> they don't care putting a 20MB .tif file in a slide :)
[02:57] <jsgotangco> i will probably have to find a windows CD with powerpoint to check this out
[02:57] <highvoltage> wow
[02:57] <highvoltage> the software should put a limit on file sizes on the pics, or scale it down
[02:58] <highvoltage> or at least present the options to do so
[02:58] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:58] <jsgotangco> i wonder if its a bunch of embedded AVIs
[02:59] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: it came from a media foundation, so I guess they love moving images
[02:59] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:59] <highvoltage> yeah, Spongebob series 1 :)
[03:00] <jsgotangco> *sigh* i may have to reboot this laptop to xp and download a ppt viewer
[03:08] <jsgotangco> brb
[03:20] <highvoltage> hey th1a
[03:21] <th1a> hi highvoltage.
[03:21] <th1a> What's up?
[03:23] <highvoltage> we've been using schoollink, a local school administration package in our schools
[03:24] <highvoltage> but it doesn't work on dapper, so with our dapper upgrades we installed schooltool, just until schoollink releases a new version
[03:24] <highvoltage> but now those schools are pesting us for schooltool training, which we don't have
[03:24] <highvoltage> are there any training manuals that are apt for trainers that we could use for schooltool?
[03:25] <th1a> What are they trying to do with SchoolTool?
[03:26] <highvoltage> some things they want to do i realise won't work in schooltool yet... in short...
[03:26] <highvoltage> they want to draw up time tables, do school accounting,
[03:27] <highvoltage> keep track of grades and pring quarterly reports for the parents...
[03:27] <th1a> You installed the version in the Ubuntu repository?
[03:27] <highvoltage> yes
[03:27] <th1a> That one really only does calendaring.
[03:28] <highvoltage> are there debs for the full schooltool? we could distribute it with our next update cd, if we could support it and arrange some kind of training
[03:28] <th1a> You can download an alpha from our website that does more, but it isn't really ready for endusers.
[03:28] <th1a> highvoltage: We're just not that far yet.
[03:28] <th1a> Unfortunately.
[03:28] <th1a> Much to my chagrin.
[03:29] <highvoltage> fair enough.
[03:31] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:31] <highvoltage> morning sbalneav
[03:31] <sbalneav> Hey highvoltage!
[03:32] <sbalneav> How's it going?
[03:32] <highvoltage> going great, thanks
[03:32] <highvoltage> i've been so busy handing work to other people that i've hardly had time to do anything else
[03:32] <highvoltage> it's starting to pay off now though, which is great :)
[03:33] <sbalneav> Excellent
[03:34] <sbalneav> ewww, yeah, byte grubbing's always hard work.
[03:36] <ogra> well, we're ~22MB oversized ...
[03:36] <ogra> no idea where to get that from
[03:38] <sbalneav> 22 meg!
[03:39] <sbalneav> Yipes
[03:39] <ogra> yes :(
[03:39] <highvoltage> ouch
[03:39] <sbalneav> This for the live, or install cd?
[03:41] <cbx33> ping ogra
[03:42] <ogra> sbalneav, install, i dont look at live at all yet
[03:42] <ogra> install is what we ship ... so thats highest prio
[03:42] <cbx33> for this ssh implementation we'll have an authorized_keys file in the skel ?
[03:42] <sbalneav> eep
[03:42] <ogra> and i should have it cut down to 700M today
[03:42] <ogra> else we'll miss knot2
[03:42] <cbx33> so every user gets created with our pub key?
[03:43] <ogra> cbx33, sorry, i'm very busy with the CDs atm ...
[03:43] <cbx33> sorry ogra
[03:43] <ogra> no time to discuss SCP
[03:44] <cbx33> put me on the ignore list
[03:44] <ogra> heh, no
[03:44] <cbx33> I'll try things and you say yay/nay later
[03:44] <ogra> if i get it in shape i'll have time again
[03:44] <cbx33> or Ja oder nein
[03:44] <ogra> :)
[03:44] <cbx33> Ich weis nicht
[03:45] <bddebian> Hello
[03:47] <ogra> hmm
[03:47] <ogra> would anybody complain if i drop gnome2-user-guide ?
[03:49] <cbx33> nope
[03:49] <cbx33> what's happened with example content now?
[03:49] <ogra> it was never in
[03:53] <ogra> #ubuntu-devel suggested dropping blender ...
[03:53] <ogra> what do you guys think
[03:53] <highvoltage> blender is useless on ltsp
[03:54] <highvoltage> people who can afford a lab full of fat clients can afford to download a blender deb
[03:54] <ogra> blender works totally fine with ltsp
[03:54] <cbx33> yeh I agree
[03:54] <highvoltage> so blender is probably safe to drop, even though it's a really 'cool' thing to have in an educational distro
[03:55] <cbx33> it's really cool, but not good if you have many people using it
[03:55] <ogra> right
[03:55] <cbx33> one is cool
[03:55] <cbx33> two is slow
[03:55] <highvoltage> we used to have blender when we used K12-LTSP in our labs
[03:55] <ogra> you need a powerful server for it
[03:55] <cbx33> three I kick them all off :p
[03:55] <highvoltage> and when 24 people start it up, it kills the network and server
[03:55] <ogra> ok
[03:56] <highvoltage> so, my rationale is, if you can afford *that* powerful server, you could probably afford to download the deb :)
[03:56] <ogra> RichEd, any objections to that from a educational manager POV ?
[03:56] <cbx33> how big is blender
[03:56] <cbx33> are we making way for anything
[03:56] <cbx33> or is this just general cd growth
[03:56] <ogra> Size: 4912610
[03:56] <highvoltage> i hope laserjock and cbx33 find nice ways of replacing kde-edu, that would be the major ++
[03:56] <RichEd> highvoltage's argument makes sense ...
[03:56] <ogra> 5 meg
[03:56] <cbx33> highvoltage, Amaranth was working on gallium
[03:57] <ogra> highvoltage, not for edgy though
[03:57] <highvoltage> ogra: i understand
[03:57] <cbx33> if that slows I'll try and pick it up for edgy +1
[03:57] <ogra> thats my major prob atm ...
[03:57] <cbx33> hmmm
[03:57] <cbx33> i thought it was going to be ready for edgy
[03:57] <cbx33> Amaranth started off guns blazing
[03:58] <cbx33> but I can't get it ready for edgy now
[03:58] <highvoltage> imho, kde-edu really needs to be replaced for edgy +1, either that, or start using DVD's, because even with the current size of the applications, the edubuntu part of the cd has to shrink with every release because ubuntu gets bigger and bigger
[03:59] <ogra> Amaranth should rather care for willowng before starting something new
[03:59] <cbx33> yeh
[03:59] <ogra> we need it ... urgently
[03:59] <cbx33> highvoltage, ++
[04:00] <ogra> highvoltage, we have marks approval for DVDs i heard ... but that would lock out a lot of users
[04:00] <jsgotangco> bah!
[04:00] <ogra> i'D still rather go with a two CD setup
[04:00] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:00] <ogra> but then we'd loose shipit
[04:00] <jsgotangco> Ubuntu: "It grows"
[04:00] <ogra> heh
[04:01] <highvoltage> dvd writers are quite big in all poor countires, as far as i understand
[04:01] <highvoltage> but i trust your judgement
[04:01] <highvoltage> ogra: how about making the second cd optional?
[04:01] <ogra> highvoltage, until now i trused yours
[04:01] <highvoltage> ogra: what happened?
[04:01] <ogra> you said they were not feasable
[04:01] <highvoltage> no i didn't
[04:02] <ogra> you did back then in london
[04:02] <highvoltage> i always supported the dvd option
[04:02] <highvoltage> i did!
[04:02] <ogra> hmm
[04:02] <highvoltage> i remember someone making noise about DVD's not being a good option, but it wasn't me
[04:02] <ogra> that would give us so many new opportunities ... like shipping all 90 langs
[04:02] <highvoltage> we've beein putting dvd drives in tuxlabs for a very, very long time, there would be no reason for me to object to dvd's
[04:03] <jsgotangco> most computers over here still don't have DVD drives :P
[04:03] <ogra> RichEd, would you mind to find out what the k12 community would think about DVds by default ?
[04:03] <jsgotangco> especially the cheapest ones
[04:03] <ogra> (since you are cummunicating with them most of us)
[04:04] <highvoltage> ogra: honestly, i think you're confusing what someone else said with me
[04:04] <ogra> highvoltage, sorry then ... it was always my impression it were your words :)
[04:04] <highvoltage> i remember the discussion well, but i can't remember who the person was that objected to the dvd's
[04:04] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: burn you at the stake
[04:04] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: hehe
[04:06] <highvoltage> i have a suspition who it might have been, but i'm not sure, i'd rather say nothing
[04:06] <ogra> flint ?
[04:06] <highvoltage> ogra: so in principle, you don't have any objections for dvd's if it's widely accessable?
[04:06] <jsgotangco> i would probably object to a dvd as well but then they are quite cheap already
[04:06] <cbx33> what about this additional CD malarky
[04:06] <ogra> well, thats really something we should hear about from the users
[04:07] <highvoltage> i remember thinking it was someone who didn't live in a poor country, which is why flint comes to mind too, but i'm not sure
[04:07] <cbx33> i would object to dvd :p
[04:07] <ogra> cbx33, we'd loose the opportunity for shipit
[04:07] <highvoltage> i just remember the comment, not who said it
[04:07] <ogra> the expensive part is the shipping, not the pressing
[04:07] <cbx33> ogra, but if the main cd gave them everything they needed
[04:07] <cbx33> as most people customize
[04:07] <cbx33> the additional CD could finish it off
[04:07] <ogra> we wouldnt ship anything incomplete ...
[04:07] <jsgotangco> i wonder if it will for edgy ;)
[04:07] <jsgotangco> ubuntu is growing
[04:07] <cbx33> well not incomplete
[04:07] <jsgotangco> now we have mono
[04:08] <ogra> no, *we* dont
[04:08] <highvoltage> ogra: it depends on the definition of complete, doesn't it?
[04:08] <ogra> ubuntu has ...
[04:08] <cbx33> i mean,
[04:08] <highvoltage> ubuntu cd's doesn't ship the entire 'main'
[04:08] <cbx33> if we had a CD which setup everything
[04:08] <RichEd> ogra: will do
[04:08] <jsgotangco> ogra: you're dropping mono?
[04:08] <highvoltage> so would it be incomplete?
[04:08] <cbx33> but didn't give you the rich set of apps
[04:08] <cbx33> then you have the option
[04:08] <ogra> jsgotangco, it never really entered
[04:08] <cbx33> doenload the ones you want
[04:08] <ogra> its 20MB
[04:08] <cbx33> or use the additional CD
[04:08] <jsgotangco> i thought so
[04:09] <ogra> it eneterd for some days where i didnt update the seeds ...
[04:09] <cbx33> so users who only had CD roms in their server...like me
[04:09] <ogra> and pushed the CDs to 750M
[04:09] <cbx33> would be able to get the functioning complete system
[04:09] <cbx33> and then install "more" apps seperately
[04:09] <ogra> so you opt for an edubuntu without edu apps ?
[04:09] <jsgotangco> the dailies are oversized lately
[04:10] <highvoltage> sorry, i didn't mean to fuel more discussion on this, ogra and canonical need to decide on the most feasable options, and put it out to the community to choose, I think I've said what I can :)
[04:10] <cbx33> not without them entirely
[04:10] <cbx33> but possibly without some
[04:10] <cbx33> that could be "easily" added
[04:10] <ogra> cbx33, gcompris and kdeedu must stay ...
[04:10] <cbx33> like the old debian net boot
[04:10] <ogra> as tuxpaint
[04:10] <cbx33> but more friendly
[04:10] <highvoltage> ogra: what we mean with a second cd is (just for clarity), is that optional stuff, like blender and example-content, go on a second cd
[04:10] <ogra> and the others arent even 10 meg
[04:10] <cbx33> is there actaully anything left after that
[04:11] <cbx33> ok, it was only an idea
[04:11] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i agree with blender
[04:11] <cbx33> sorry :)
[04:11] <cbx33> :(
[04:11] <jsgotangco> but its not that huge
[04:11] <highvoltage> so the first cd is still a complete edubuntu, the second cd is just additional tools and software theat would be helpful
[04:11] <ogra> blender is gone
[04:11] <ogra> no need to discuss it :)
[04:11] <highvoltage> I just used it as an example :)
[04:11] <cbx33> I tell you what we need
[04:11] <cbx33> seriosuly
[04:11] <ogra> blender has one big prob ... it depends on ffmpeg now
[04:11] <cbx33> a webpage/doc which documents all the education apps
[04:11] <jsgotangco> we could probably remove a lot of the small stuff, like gaim, but they're so small to make an impact
[04:11] <cbx33> that "could" be installed
[04:12] <ogra> we wouldnt be able to ship it that way anyway ... and i'd need to cripple the package
[04:12] <cbx33> like a database of educational apps
[04:12] <highvoltage> imho, the dvd would be the best option, since, like ogra says, it solves the space problem, it makes shipping easier, and it leaves a nice amount of space for things like a small wikipedia distribution
[04:12] <highvoltage> (sorry, I'll shut up now before I open more cans)
[04:12] <cbx33> i just worry about how many people will not try it .... cause it's on dvd
[04:12] <ogra> cbx33, that wont help in the areas witout proper broadband
[04:13] <cbx33> ogra, true
[04:13] <cbx33> i dunno,
[04:13] <ogra> dont forget what we write on the homepage
[04:13] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i would say its sensible, for one to set up a lab with at least an external dvd drive or hvae one of the machines if its a 1:1 model
[04:13] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yep
[04:13] <jsgotangco> a 1:1 model would be disastrous for a dvd though
[04:13] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: and if you have one machine with a drive, you can also pxe install to all the others over the network
[04:13] <jsgotangco> cbx33: dvd drive != dvd burner
[04:14] <cbx33> true...but if I'm going to download to burn
[04:14] <ogra> why should you
[04:14] <highvoltage> cbx33: if it's on dvd, you can get it from shipit
[04:14] <cbx33> true
[04:14] <ogra> if you dont have a writer, you order it from shipit
[04:14] <cbx33> what about testing?
[04:14] <cbx33> and people who want to help develop
[04:14] <cbx33> or want to try it quickly
[04:14] <highvoltage> eek, that's a tough one yes
[04:14] <ogra> hrasynco ?
[04:14] <cbx33> I'm just throwing up suggestons
[04:14] <ogra> err
[04:15] <ogra> grasynco
[04:15] <jsgotangco> well i can't download DVDs immediately for sure, so our uncle ogra would send us
[04:15] <cbx33> heheh is this you forcing a name change ogra ?
[04:15] <cbx33> :p
[04:15] <jsgotangco> :D
[04:15] <ogra> the rsync is usually very small
[04:15] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:15] <cbx33> well, ok
[04:15] <ogra> you'd need to pull the iso once
[04:15] <highvoltage> this discussion is providing some nice solutions :)
[04:15] <cbx33> so are we thinking the dvd for this rel;ease or next?
[04:15] <jsgotangco> although i do admit it took me half a day to get debian DVDs from jigdo
[04:15] <cbx33> I need to work on grasynco more :p
[04:16] <ogra> cbx33, i can tell you after the next iso build ...
[04:16] <cbx33> ok ogra
[04:16] <cbx33> I'm off out in a short while
[04:16] <ogra> if i'm able to get it in shape now and have some spare space all is fine
[04:16] <cbx33> I'll beinterested if someone could mail me the results of the discussion :p
[04:17] <cbx33> and all is silent
[04:17] <cbx33> i dunno i minutes for you guys every week:p
[04:17] <cbx33> haahahah
[04:17] <cbx33> never on TIME !!!!!
[04:17] <cbx33> eeeeeeek
[04:17] <cbx33> i gotta dash
[04:17] <cbx33> swimming :p
[04:19] <ogra> we somehow are left out in the newsletter recently :/
[04:19] <highvoltage> when's the next newsletter stories due?
[04:20] <ogra> no idea ... they just arrive in my inbox from time to time :)
[04:20] <pygi> highvoltage, I've cheated libburn, and burned DVD with it, sweet :)
[04:20] <highvoltage> heh :)
[04:20] <highvoltage> pygi: and can you actualy read the dvd? ;)
[04:20] <cbx33> bbl gy
[04:20] <pygi> highvoltage, ofcourse, MD5 don't match, but dvd content is there and workable
[04:20] <cbx33> us
[04:21] <pygi> readable*
[04:21] <pygi> highvoltage, also fixed the eject yesterday, fedora got it in their repos, whee :)
[04:21] <pygi> all good news so far :)
[04:24] <highvoltage> absolutely!
[04:25] <pygi> we've got enormous number of bugs fixed in two weeks, got partial dvd support, fixed eject, rewrited libisofs, made cdrskin usable for audio :)
[04:26] <bddebian> w00t
[04:26] <pygi> highvoltage, you'll soon be able to test bonfire/brasero with libburn support
[04:27] <pygi> it shall support everything but dvd support (even copy on the fly (but without -tao, using sao and image size)) as you are used to see from cdrecord :)
[04:27] <pygi> (ok, and no cd text, but that's my fault :P)
[04:28] <pygi> bddebian, what? :)
[04:29] <bddebian> pygi: That you have gotten alot of bug fixes, etc :-)
[04:38] <Burgundavia> ogra: ridell wrote the kubuntu section. I didn't have any edubuntu news
[04:38] <ogra> Burgundavia, who do you usually ask for edubuntu news ?
[04:48] <cberlo> How difficult would I be making my life if I temporarily installed LTSP 4.2 into Edubuntu until all of the MueKow features are completed?
[04:49] <ogra> it will break
[04:49] <ogra> either do a edubuntu workstation install and put ltsp 4.2 on top manually or use edubuntus ltsp
[04:50] <cberlo> ogra: even if I follow the "recommended" procedure of installing the alternate version into another location?
[04:50] <ogra> you cant mix them
[04:50] <cberlo> Okay, I see what you mean.  Don't mix.  But I can put them both on, and enable one or the other as needed without borking the whole system?
[04:50] <cberlo> (I've done a lot of work on this project over the summer and it's crunch time -- they want printing, no question about that at all...)
[04:51] <ogra> well, i'll surely look into printing support before the edgy release .... but i'm not sure i can packport it to dapper
[04:52] <ogra> *backport
[04:53] <cberlo> Frustrating... I want to be patient and let you do your job -- I have faith -- but I also need this project to be successful.  Up to 3000 clients may be in question.  An entire School Board.  Nice PR, if it all works.
[04:53] <cberlo> Okay, and a final thing I'll bug you on for now:  is there an easy way to quickly connect a Windows workstation to LTSP (for a demo to non-technical types)
[04:54] <ogra> you mean abusing a win pc as client ?
[04:54] <ogra> sure, if it supports PXE booting ...
[04:54] <ogra> aternatively you can create a bootfloppie with PXE emulation
[04:54] <cberlo> ogra: Yep, pretty much -- but while Windoze is running -- like a "mini-X" connecting to XDM or such.
[04:55] <ogra> that wont work
[04:55] <ogra> we dont support xdmcp
[04:55] <ogra> muecow uses ssh for X transport
[04:55] <cberlo> ogra: Actually, that's how I've got it running, so I can use pam_mount...
[04:55] <cberlo> ogra:  I "bypassed" ssh and X
[04:55] <highvoltage> ogra: would it be difficult to make a live cd that only boots up and opens up ldm and connect to a server
[04:55] <highvoltage> hmmm...
[04:56] <ogra> well, thats fine, just keep in mind that you wont be able to get commercial support for that setup from us (yet)
[04:56] <cberlo> highvoltage: Live CD would be no problem, but I want to do this from within Windows for our Principals, Guidance Staff, etc. so they can just get a "taste" of things.
[04:56] <highvoltage> could you just write /opt/ltsp/i386 to CD and add a kernel would that work?
[04:56] <ogra> highvoltage, you surely could do that ...
[04:57] <ogra> no
[04:57] <cberlo> ogra: That's okay.  I'm pretty much the support around here -- they're really trying to avoid paying to support these older clients.
[04:57] <ogra> you would have to take a liveCD image and modify that (drop -desktop, add ltsp-client and ldm)
[04:57] <cberlo> (old PCs running win95 and Win98 that they want to keep on the net but not pay per-seat licenses and such)
[04:58] <Burgundavia> ogra: anybody or find it myself
[04:58] <cberlo> ogra: Did something like that with DSL, then planted it in QEMU, but the routing doesn't seem to work out to get me a display through XDMCP broadcast or query -- I think it conflicts with the "real" machine services.
[04:58] <ogra> Burgundavia, ok, i can give you an update for tech stuff, just ping me before the news get written, so i can prepare something
[04:59] <highvoltage> ogra: why would i drop ldm from the livecd? how else would i log into the edubuntu server?
[04:59] <ogra> doesnt putty have a -X switch nowadays ?
[04:59] <ogra> you could use a default edubuntu server if it had
[04:59] <cberlo> ogra: Yes, but that needs a local X server...
[04:59] <highvoltage> i think you have to have X11 installed on windows too to use -X
[05:00] <ogra> and using xdmcp doesnt need a local X server ?
[05:00] <cberlo> ogra: Yes, that still needs local X, but nothing more, really.
[05:00] <cberlo> Minimal X I've been able to get with XDMCP support is about 120MB.  A bit big of an install for a "quick demo"
[05:00] <cberlo> brb
[05:01] <ogra> well, with putty you need local X and putty :)
[05:01] <ogra> thats not significantly bigger
[05:05] <jsgotangco> good night
[05:18] <Burgundavia> ogra: issue 12 is bing written right now
[05:19] <ogra> Burgundavia, ltsp has support for local devices on thin clients, but i wont have the time to wirte a detailed report now
[05:20] <ogra> so it will have to wait for issue 13 i guess
[05:20] <ogra> also SCP should be made very prominent once i merged cbx33's branch
[05:22] <ogra> Burgundavia, i gues thats likely to verbose for the newsletter http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2006-August/000339.html
[05:24] <cberlo> Okay, so I can do it with the ssh tunneling if I use putty, but I still need X from windows.  I think I can do that for now.
[05:30] <cberlo> I know I said that last thing was the last thing for now, but one last thing...  :)  Any suggestions on how to make a full backup to an SMB share?  Seem to be hitting a 2GB file size limit...
[05:31] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:38] <cberlo> Well, if anyone has an idea, drop me a line...  I'm going elsewhere, but I'll be sitting in the channel and I'll check the logs later..
[07:30] <ubuntux1> hi all
[07:31] <LaserJock> hi
[07:36] <EmxBA> hi
[07:37] <ubuntux1> i like edubuntu more than ubuntu:)
[08:14] <mhz> hi all
[08:14] <mhz> RichEd: ping?
[08:56] <highvoltage> hi mhz
[08:57] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage
[09:00] <mhz> highvoltage: hi there
[09:02] <highvoltage> hey las
[09:02] <highvoltage> grrr
[09:02] <highvoltage> bonjour LaserJock!
[09:05] <LaserJock> heh
[09:06] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock
[09:07] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav and no, I haven't had a chance to finish it today :/
[09:07] <LaserJock> stupid research
[09:07] <LaserJock> I hate it when real life (and the need for sleep for that matter) gets in the way of being a Ubuntu-holic
[09:07] <sbalneav> LaserJock: I was thinking, your edubuntu-update-menus program could still be there, it could just 1) make sure the files are group owned correctly, and 2) combine all the .menu's into the big meta applications.menu.
[09:08] <LaserJock> yeah, I was thinking that too
[09:08] <sbalneav> No problem, sorry, wasn't meaning to bug.  How was the fire?
[09:08] <LaserJock> sbalneav: it got contained pretty fast, they had over 20 fire trucks and ~200 firemen on it
[09:09] <LaserJock> awfully smokey though
[09:09] <sbalneav> pygi: holy mackeral!  Are kids allowed to see that??!
[09:09] <pygi> sbalneav, !!! why is that?!
[09:09] <sbalneav> :)
[09:09] <sbalneav> Just pulling your leg
[09:09] <sbalneav> Looks awesome.
[09:09] <pygi> ;)
[09:10] <pygi> thanks
[09:10] <sbalneav> libburn's the GPL replacement for cdrecord, yes?
[09:11] <LaserJock> sbalneav: well, I've seen a few where that would be warranted so it's good to keep in mind ;-)
[09:13] <sbalneav> LaserJock: I've been a systems administrator for 16 years.  I've seen a few in which the police were called. :(
[09:14] <LaserJock> yeah, we seem to have those at the Uni now and then
[09:15] <sbalneav> yep.
[09:15] <sbalneav> Nasty old world.  Always has been, always will be.
[09:57] <Lilandra> Hello
[09:57] <LaserJock> hi Lilandra
[09:57] <Lilandra> Ooo! there are people here!
[09:58] <LaserJock> of course
[09:58] <LaserJock> but people need to sleep some times :-)
[09:58] <Lilandra> well, i've never been...my install put #ubuntu in my default connection, not #edubuntu
[09:58] <Lilandra> so it finally occurred to me to check
[09:59] <LaserJock> ah, well welcome
[10:00] <Lilandra> thanks
[10:01] <mhz> Lilandra: hi there. What version of Edubuntu are you running?
[10:01] <Lilandra> 6.06. something?
[10:02] <Lilandra> dapper..
[10:02] <Lilandra> for ppc
[10:03] <LaserJock> cool
[10:04] <Lilandra> i got my wireless working on it and when i tried xubuntu for some odd reason it was stressing me out so...
[11:14] <sdfsaedcjhm> hi
[11:15] <Lilandra> hi
[11:16] <sdfsaedcjhm> wassup
[11:16] <Lilandra> nothing much
[11:16] <sdfsaedcjhm> ah
[11:17] <sdfsaedcjhm> do you use edubuntu?
[11:17] <Lilandra> atm yes
[11:17] <sdfsaedcjhm> is it good?
[11:17] <Lilandra> im trying to get my trackpad to work but
[11:17] <Lilandra> well i think it's nice and cute
[11:17] <sdfsaedcjhm> is it better than the other ubuntus?
[11:18] <Lilandra> better? well i don't know if any is better than another
[11:18] <sdfsaedcjhm> what desktop does it use?
[11:18] <LaserJock> Gnome
[11:18] <Lilandra> personally i prefer gnome to kde so ubuntu/edubuntu to me are nicer
[11:18] <sdfsaedcjhm> ah
[11:18] <Lilandra> i tried xubuntu and that was ok
[11:18] <LaserJock> and Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubtunu, and Xubuntu all come from the same software repositories
[11:18] <LaserJock> so they are pretty similar
[11:19] <LaserJock> it's just a matter of default packaging mostly
[11:19] <sdfsaedcjhm> so what are the small differences?
[11:19] <LaserJock> well, in Edubuntu there are educational applications installed by default
[11:20] <LaserJock> and you can install and LTSP server using Edubuntu
[11:20] <LaserJock> it's geared more for schools and young kids
[11:20] <Lilandra> could you not do that for other ubuntus?
[11:20] <LaserJock> sure
[11:20] <LaserJock> but with Edubuntu it's just automatically there
[11:21] <LaserJock> same as you can install Kubuntu
[11:21] <LaserJock> and then install Gnome and use Gnome if you wanted to
[11:21] <LaserJock> but then why not just install Ubuntu
[11:21] <Lilandra> are just install all the desktops
[11:21] <Lilandra> :)
[11:21] <LaserJock> sure
[11:21] <LaserJock> I do that sometimes too
[11:22] <Lilandra> i wish when i partitioned my powerbook i gave more room for linux
[11:22] <sdfsaedcjhm> all of them?
[11:25] <Lilandra> gtg! bye
[11:40] <cbx33> ping ogra


[12:21] <jblack> stevea: http://www.bazaar-ng.org/demo/bzrdemo-2005-08-12-2.tar.gz
[12:30] <mpt> woohoo
[12:42] <SteveA> jblack: darn, back up to 20MB
[12:42] <jblack> Yeap.
[12:42] <jblack> most of it is the full bzr branch
[12:43] <SteveA> hmm... we need to choose a smaller codebase
[12:43] <jblack> without the bzr history for bzr, it would be a bit smaller.
[12:43] <SteveA> with a weave... ;-)
[12:43] <jblack> stevea: No. as in "bzr.dev" is about 18 megs
[12:43] <SteveA> oh, right
[12:44] <jblack> I put in a bzr with the full history so that people can pull a newer bzr.
[12:44] <SteveA> so, bzr with history would be about 10MB in a .tar.gz
[12:45] <jblack> unpacked, the trees work out to:
[12:45] <SteveA> i think i won't mail the python guys about the demo just now.  can you co-ordinate with martin next week about a demo?
[12:45] <jblack> bzr.dev: 31 megs, Python-Tools: 2.2, 3.1, 3.2 megs
[12:46] <jblack> thats unpacked.
[12:46] <SteveA> hmm
[12:46] <SteveA> so, it would work out okay with just the bzr tool
[12:46] <SteveA> and not its history
[12:47] <SteveA> and instructions on how to get hold of a bzr source tree
[12:47] <SteveA> for intrested hackers
[12:47] <jblack> It would be a bit smaller, yes. About 6-8 megs of gzip for the bzr portion
[12:47] <SteveA> i'll take a look in a sec
[12:47] <SteveA> almost downloaded
[12:47] <jblack> However, if they want to get a more current bzr that's in bzr, they'll be taking 1-4 hours to get a bzr that is pullable
[12:48] <SteveA> i get unfriendly errors whenever i do something bad
[12:49] <jblack> in bzr? yeah
[12:49] <SteveA> i think i'll leave it for you to talk with martin and put together a nice demo
[12:49] <SteveA> i don't want IndexError on typos to leave a poor impression
[12:49] <jblack> In my personal opionion, bzr really isn't ready to show yet.
[12:49] <SteveA> thanks for helping put this together
[12:49] <SteveA> i have a mail i'm about to send, explaining how we use baz 1.x with launchpad development
[12:49] <jblack> Its still missing the core parts, as I mentioned a few days ago, and its not optimized to do the remote stuff, and have small filesizes.
[12:50] <jblack> For example, if there's a practical way to diff two branches, I haven't found it yet
[01:38] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[r=BjornT]  clean up templates with names starting with 'b', fixing bug 927 (patch-2253<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:23] <bob2> jblack: happy birthday!
[06:24] <jblack> Thank you!
[06:24] <jblack> How are ya?
[06:26] <jblack> bob2: ^^
[06:31] <bob2> jblack: same old, same old
[06:33] <bob2> jblack: what've you been up to?
[06:34] <jblack> Mostly work, but a few interesting things.
[06:34] <jblack> Yesterday I had the fire department over. :)
[06:34] <bob2> for tea?
[06:34] <bob2> or a fire?
[06:34] <jblack> Ironically, for a fire extinguisher. :)
[06:35] <jblack> My daughter had been acting up for the last month or so, blowing me off seven or eight times for just about anything I asked.
[06:35] <jblack> So I decided to show her that just as quickly as I give something, I can give it away.
[06:36] <jblack> I took one of her gameboy games, stuck it on potted soil, doused it in rubbing alcohol, and lit it.
[06:36] <jblack> Got a really cute 6" red flame that eventually turned a bit blue.
[06:36] <jblack> Well, anyways, I had 3 old extinguishers that had been around the house for a few years, and finally decided to test it against this massive 6" flame on the back porch.
[06:37] <jblack> So I pulled the trigger on the little fire extinguisher, and my entire courtyard filled up with this awful smelling yellow smoke.
[06:38] <jblack> big yellow cloud about 50 feet in radius, on a still day.
[06:38] <bob2> wow
[06:38] <jblack> the neighbors, mistaking a big huge cloud of smelly yellow fire retardant for fire smoke, called the fire department.
[06:39] <jblack> So they showed up for the first anti-fire in history
[06:40] <bob2> haha
[06:40] <bob2> see, that's far more exciting than my week
[06:41] <jblack> Oh, that was just yesterday. The rest of the week was just as surreal
[06:41] <jblack> If I could go back, I'd wear a helmet with a video cam on it
[06:42] <jblack> For example, imagine how it looks driving across town with a 5' tall, 575 pound safe, in a subaru station wagon. :)
[06:43] <bob2> wtf
[06:43] <bob2> you staged a bank robbery?
[06:43] <jblack> Nah. Long story.
[06:44] <jblack> That's really the higher point of that story, if you exlucde the comedy of watching a husband, a friend and an ex-wife trying to get a 5' tall, 575 pound safe up 5 steps and through a door that it doesn't fit through.
[06:45] <bob2> hahaha
[06:45] <bob2> it took me and 2 friends just to move my desk to my new place
[06:45] <bob2> if I'd had a safe I think I would have just bulldozed part of the house
[06:46] <jblack> As it turns out, you can either spend $360 on a sentry safe that looks secure, except it only resists breakin for 5 minutes (FIVE! And thats with common tools like sledge hammers and prybars), or you can spend $600 on a 5' tall gun safe that's only been broken into once (by rolling a tractor over it repeatedly)
[06:46] <bob2> okiedokie
[06:47] <jblack> (not this particular safe mind you, any of these safes, ever)
[06:47] <jblack> You got a new place? Cool!
[06:50] <bob2> yeah
[06:51] <bob2> it's quite cool, especially given it snowed the other day ;p
[06:51] <jblack> Did you leave australia?
[06:51] <bob2> no
[06:51] <jblack> I didn't know it snowed anywhere in australia
[06:51] <spiv> He's still in Canbrrrrr.
[06:52] <bob2> it only snows every few years
[06:52] <bob2> and not much
[06:52] <bob2> but nonetheless
[01:39] <j^> hi, i added NetworkManager to launchpad the other day, https://launchpad.net/products/network-manger and was wondering how to get it beond the Testing sync state.
[02:06] <lifeless> ddaa: ^^
[03:01] <ddaa> j^: you're on the right track
[03:04] <j^> ddaa ware you planing to restructure the process of adding products to launchpad?
[03:04] <ddaa> Not right now. What are you suggesting?
[03:04] <j^> right now one has to go back to add Release Root Directory URL, Release Filename Patern
[03:05] <ddaa> Oh right.
[03:05] <ddaa> That sucks.
[03:05] <j^> its missing in the first mask to create a branch
[03:05] <j^> the other thing is that branch and series is mixed up all over the place
[03:05] <ddaa> Yup, I even believe there's a bug in malone about that.
[03:06] <j^> ah, ok
[03:06] <ddaa> Not sure when we'll come around to fixing that though. I do have more pressing functional problems to fix right now.
[03:07] <j^> i could not name the product NetworkManager
[03:07] <ddaa> but we are aware of those problems
[03:07] <j^> so i named it network-manager
[03:08] <ddaa> right, there's also a bug about the surprising behaviour there, we accept only lowercase names. Naming it network-manager was the right thing to do.
[03:08] <ddaa> (except for the typo, that I have just fixed, you called it "network-manger"
[03:09] <j^> yup, fixed that
[03:09] <ddaa> j^: so far, the code does the job and people use it essentially right. We are aware that some things are frustrating, but things that do not _actually_ work right take priority.
[03:10] <ddaa> I know that must be a disappointing answer.
[03:10] <ddaa> You can try nagging morgs about that. He did a pretty good job of fixing web UI nits for the past months, and maybe he's a bit less overloaded than I.
[03:10] <ddaa> (though technically, those problems are now mine)
[03:11] <j^> its not a big issue for me, just thought i bring it up.
[03:12] <ddaa> j^: one thing
[03:12] <ddaa> "main" and 0.4 should be different series
[03:13] <j^> 0.4 is main right now though
[03:14] <j^> so you suggest to change the display name from MAIN to 0.4 Development Series
[03:14] <ddaa> When looking at the CVS, it appears that it only contains a branch for 0.3
[03:14] <ddaa> that means that 0.4 series are (likely) release from MAIn
[03:15] <ddaa> therefore 0.4 _is_ the main series
[03:15] <j^> 0.3 was branched since it uses old versions of dbus and hal
[03:15] <ddaa> I'm suggesting one of two things
[03:16] <ddaa> 1. fix the name, summary, ftp glob, etc. to match MAIN
[03:16] <ddaa> 2. fix the display name to mention 0.4 and create a proper MAIN series to import the CVS MAIN into
[03:17] <ddaa> (the 2 might require some hoops since I believe we might have a constraint that requires the presence of a "main" series now)
[03:17] <ddaa> Not that it matters a lot.
[03:18] <ddaa> I'll do it.
[03:18] <j^> hm, so i would take out 0.4 all out for now, since its more main, which happens to be work on 0.4 right now
[03:19] <ddaa> In the current context, that would make more sense.
[03:19] <ddaa> You know about HCT?
[03:19] <j^> no, whats HCT?
[03:22] <ddaa> That's going to be a version control system designed specifically for distro packages.
[03:23] <ddaa> The whole release and series stuff is about providing data for HCT.
[03:23] <ddaa> (well, mostly, it's also used for other things, like translations)
[03:23] <j^> sounds good
[03:24] <j^> are you still changing things right now?, otherwise i would rename 0.4 to 0.3 and track that branch and use main for cvs MAIN
[03:28] <ddaa> Yup. I'm taking care of it
[03:28] <ddaa> Have a coffee, I'll tell you when the import is done or if there is a problem.
[03:28] <j^> cool, and thanks again.
[03:30] <ddaa> j^: one question
[03:30] <ddaa> NetworkManager-0.4.cvs20050506.tar.gz
[03:30] <ddaa> is that _really_ a release???
[03:31] <ddaa> bah... as long at it's not matching a bunch of daily cvs snapshots, that's okay.
[03:31] <j^> well, its a cvs snapshot
[03:31] <j^> but there are no daily cvs snapshots
[03:32] <ddaa> Keybuk: I'm about to explain some things about the release and tarballs model and how it relates to HCT
[03:32] <ddaa> Keybuk: please correct me if I say something wrong
[03:32] <ddaa> j^: Keybuk is the the HCT guy.
[03:32] <j^> but dan(main developer, working for redhat) is not that good with putting up proper releases. afaik the ubuntu package will use cvs of some point
[03:33] <j^> thats what it does right now
[03:34] <ddaa> The basic model is that: we import the CVS mainline, then we import the release tarballs and try to attach them to the imported CVS history, that's meant to capture the changes between the CVS and the released tarballs, there are generally some. Then we import the packages and we attached them to release tarballs when present.
[03:35] <ddaa> So we get a complete RCS ancestry between upstream version control and distro packages.
[03:35] <ddaa> (which allows for whatever nifty merge features are provided by the RCS tool)
[03:36] <ddaa> Registering CVS snapshots there probably counts as noise, and might confuse that system.
[03:36] <ddaa> Keybuk: correct?
[03:37] <ddaa> The whole thing _can_ work without release tarballs, it should degrade gracefully.
[03:39] <ddaa> I think I'll keep your ftp data. Seems like the right thing to do after all.
[03:39] <j^> so it should also be ok to have upstream in cvs, have an arch branch for the distro package managed via launchpad;
[03:41] <ddaa> Right. I do not think we are quite there yet, but not far.
[03:41] <ddaa> If the upstream is not making releases at all, that would be the right thing to do.
[03:42] <ddaa> 775 revisions on MAIN, it's going to take a little while
[05:03] <Keybuk> ddaa: actually, provided cvs snapshots are on a different series, they can be quite useful
[05:03] <ddaa> different from what?
[05:04] <ddaa> from rcs import, from packagerelease?
[05:04] <ddaa> from package?
[05:05] <ddaa> (me is still fuzzy about how packages relate to series)
[07:47] <j^> for some users i can see there email on https://launchpad.net/people/username/ but not on https://launchpad.net/people/username/+emails - the second link will give me:  Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[10:09] <ddaa> j^<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:38] <superted> does anyone know when rosetta (or ubuntu at best) gets translations from GTP the last time for Breezy ?


[08:19] <LocutusOfBorg> hello doko I'm not sure if openjdk8 in debian/ubuntu armhf is broken or not
[08:19] <LocutusOfBorg> Error: missing `server' JVM at `/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk-armhf/jre/lib/arm/server/libjvm.so'.
[08:19] <LocutusOfBorg> Please install or use the JRE or JDK that contains these missing components.
[08:19] <LocutusOfBorg> it is not even installable :(
[08:19] <LocutusOfBorg> https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?pkg=gdal&arch=armhf
[08:53] <Laney> what's a $ prefixed rule in a makefile? "$./KeyboardNames.pl:"
[08:58] <Laney> and, well, how do I invoke it? :-)
[09:15] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: I'll have a look
[09:15] <doko> tjaalton: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apitrace/7.1+git20170623.d38a69d6+repack-1build1   triggered by new glibc
[09:15] <doko> infinity: ^^^
[09:17] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks doko, ubuntu seems to be not affected, if this helps
[09:17] <doko> tjaalton: mesa b-d on llvm-5? are you aware that it ftbfs?
[09:19] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm seriously thinking about using gcc-6 for llvm and arm64/ppc64el
[09:41] <juliank> xnox: What happened to apt 1.4.6~16.10.1 in zesty-proposed? Your last comment was: "And will redo zesty upgrade test again to make sure units are started for the upgrade timer."
[09:42] <juliank> 1.4.7 entered stretch a few weeks ago, I'd like to get this over into zesty eventually :)
[10:44] <doko> jbicha, didrocks: there are glib2.0 autopkg test failures on ppc64el and s390x triggerd by glibc and elfutils
[10:44] <doko> infinity, xnox: ^^^
[10:45] <tjaalton> doko: yep, but rc2 is available
[10:46] <doko> tjaalton: sure, if you can fix bugs in this version ...
[10:48] <Unit193> Specifically 1691908 would be awesome to fix.
[11:20] <tjaalton> doko: apitrace has a bug for the ftbfs on debian too, i'll have a look
[11:24] <tjaalton> though it was due to gcc7 I think
[11:43] <fossfreedom_> hi cyphermox , Laney - I saw that the latest upload of ubiquity in artful is having a little bit of trouble building.  Just wondering - any chance of my PR sneaking in with the next upload please? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntubudgie-dev/ubiquity/fix_lp_1713662/+merge/329911
[11:46] <Laney> Probably. And I know.
[11:46] <Laney> I got 5 emails about it....
[11:46] <Laney> No, 6
[12:42] <dgadomski> hey doko, re bug #1638695, have you been doing any benchmarks of the artful builds after your changes?
[12:42] <doko> dgadomski: no
[12:43] <dgadomski> doko: ok, I'll check it out and share the results in the bug
[12:46] <doko> dgadomski: sure, but remember that pie is turned on by default in artful
[12:46] <dgadomski> doko: ack, thanks
[13:00] <xnox> infinity, dpkg -S xlocale.h -> libc6-dev:s390x: /usr/include/xlocale.h is not true with new glibc in proposed. Is that intentional, or accidental?
[13:01] <xnox> infinity, autoconf, in prelude, fails to find perl.h because conftest includes xlocale.h
[13:01] <xnox> infinity, not sure if i'm supposed to fix autoconf/perl/prelude or if libc6-dev should continue to ship xlocale.h
[13:04] <xnox> infinity, doko - found changelog saying "Don't include xlocale.h. If necessary, include locale.h instead." hence intentional.
[13:07] <xnox> i think we need perl rebuild, to drop #define I_XLOCALE from its config.h
[13:07] <xnox> testing.
[13:12] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, sync perl instead
[13:13] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg, right that could do it too. But will wait for my local test build to finish, to make sure that a rebuild of perl will resolve my issue
[13:13] <LocutusOfBorg> with perl we shoudl also sync... let me check
[13:14] <LocutusOfBorg> rename
[13:14] <xnox> huh? rename what?
[13:14] <LocutusOfBorg> I was going to sync, but autopkgtests are already fully
[13:14] <LocutusOfBorg> src:rename
[13:14] <LocutusOfBorg> if we have to rebuild, better sync instead
[13:45] <cyphermox> Laney: I'll fix ubiquity, unless you already started..
[13:46] <doko> rbasak, jamespage: there was no tomcat8 merge for a while ...
[13:55] <Laney> cyphermox: sure did
[13:56] <cyphermox> yeah I just noticed
[13:57] <cyphermox> pull, I merged fossfreedom's code
[13:57] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, I would say tomcat8 needs a sync, not a merge
[13:57] <tjaalton> LocutusOfBorg: no
[13:58] <tjaalton> tomcat8.5 breaks dogtag-pki
[13:58] <tjaalton> and tomcatjss
[13:58] <LocutusOfBorg> I mean, tomcat8 "can" be syncd, because the delta is useless
[13:58] <LocutusOfBorg> not "we should sync it right now" :)
[13:59] <tjaalton> you'd just get it stuck in proposed because of failing freeipa-server autopkgtest
[13:59] <tjaalton> so what's the point of syncing it then?
[13:59] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm I still just mean, that it can be syncd, not that we should sync it
[14:00] <Laney> okey dokey
[14:02] <LocutusOfBorg> I honestly think that tomcat-8 needs to be syncd on next release cycle, are the two above useful packages?
[14:02] <tjaalton> next cycle is when redhat should get dogtag/tomcatjss ported over
[14:03] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm patching security stuff on old tomcat might become painful soon :)
[14:03] <tjaalton> non-lts releases still
[14:12] <tjaalton> doko: uploaded new apitrace to debian, fixes build
[14:14] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg, rebuild results in I_XLOCLAE not defined; synced perl over.
[14:21] <rbasak> tjaalton: would you mind noting that on https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html please?
[14:23] <tjaalton> rbasak: sure
[14:24] <rbasak> Thanks! As I read the scrollbackscroll I knew there was a reason but couldn't remember why, and I figure that's a good place to note it for reference the next time I'm asked :)
[14:30] <tjaalton> yeah, it's there now
[14:30] <LargePrime> juliank, regarding your gnutls patch, how can i test it?  i have to add a repo, right?  how can i pull just that one updated library?
[14:31] <juliank> LargePrime: It's all explained in the wiki page that was linked in the bug report https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[14:32] <juliank> LargePrime: Just with zesty instead of xenial, of course
[14:32] <juliank> LargePrime: Summary: Add sources.list entry, add preferences entry, and then apt install libgnutls30/zesty-proposed
[14:32] <LargePrime> thanks again
[14:52] <LocutusOfBorg> interesting xnox
[14:52] <LocutusOfBorg>  #   include <xlocale.h>
[14:52] <LocutusOfBorg>              ^~~~~~~~~~~
[14:52] <LocutusOfBorg> this happens in libguestfs
[14:52] <LocutusOfBorg> so, I presume until perl is rebuilt, mostly everything will FTBFS?
[14:52] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg, yes.
[14:52] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/336044681/buildlog_ubuntu-artful-ppc64el.libguestfs_1%3A1.34.6-7ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:52] <LocutusOfBorg> ack
[14:53] <xnox> /usr/lib/powerpc64le-linux-gnu/perl/5.26/CORE/perl.h:738:13: fatal error: xlocale.h: No such file or directory
[14:53] <xnox> yeah, that's the badger.
[14:53] <LargePrime> juliank, from that wiki 'sudo aptitude -t zesty-proposed' gives 'sudo: aptitude: command not found'
[14:54] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks for cathing it early!
[14:55] <LargePrime> i dont like pain when i cath
[15:03] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, I put some update-notifier fixes for wayland up for review on https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/update-notifier/wayland-no-pkexec/+merge/330278 https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/update-notifier/work-under-wayland/+merge/330271 , would be nice if you could review them today I would like to upload this week so we start getting more feedback about issues under wayland, atm users don't get prompted by apport to report those
[15:03] <bdmurray> seb128: I saw and will have a look today
[15:04] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks!
[15:04] <juliank> LargePrime: You don't need to do that
[15:05] <juliank> LargePrime: It would just show you what is available
[15:05] <juliank> LargePrime: Just apt install libgnutls30/zesty-proposed :D
[15:27] <doko> xnox: perl ftbfs on i386. test failure. give back?
[15:30] <LocutusOfBorg> "06_timed.t" yes, I would say to give back
[15:30]  * LocutusOfBorg does it, I think this happened already in the past
[15:32] <xnox> tah for monitoring
[16:00] <bdmurray> xnox: have you seen bug 1713984? I just had a very long boot myself
[16:02] <xnox> bdmurray, yes and i think i know how to fix it. but not fixed yet.
[16:03] <bdmurray> xnox: Shall I target to artful? assign to you?
[16:03] <infinity> xnox: Definitely intentional.
[16:03] <xnox> infinity, tah. fix in perl is inflight - rebuild should make perl.h sane again.
[16:03] <xnox> bdmurray, yes please.
[16:08] <LargePrime> juliank, I have it working.  patch works great!  my question about the wiki command had to do with noting some sort of error on the wiki.
[16:08] <LargePrime> also thanks
[16:17] <doko> infinity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/glibc/+bug/1715366
[16:17] <doko> but the cross-build fails later with linker errors
[16:27] <Anticom> Hi all. Are packages published on *.ubuntu.com on topic here?
[16:28] <Anticom> It's really bugging me, that libgtest-dev is not being built in a post-install hook
[16:28] <doko> this is not Gentoo
[16:28] <Anticom> doko: ?
[16:30] <ogra_> doko, tell that to the dkms maintainers :P
[16:30] <LocutusOfBorg> Anticom, we cant bild libgtest-dev
[16:30] <LocutusOfBorg>   * control: Switch to cmake (upstream deprecated autoconf build).  Build
[16:30] <LocutusOfBorg>     only static library (remove libgtest0 package).  Install full source
[16:30] <LocutusOfBorg>     and example files.
[16:31] <LocutusOfBorg> http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/g/googletest/unstable_changelog
[16:31] <LocutusOfBorg> packages depending on it should build it when needed locally
[16:31] <LocutusOfBorg> http://bugs.debian.org/662989
[16:31] <Anticom> LocutusOfBorg: Well maybe i was not precise. Afaik you're supposed to invoke cmake after installing libgtest-dev yourself to produce the *.so's etc. However the package depends on cmake already iirc and debs do support post-install triggers don't they? so why not trigger the cmake 'build' after the package has been installed?
[16:31] <LocutusOfBorg> no, a package you maintain, that needs libgtest-dev should just include its cmake file, and live happy
[16:32] <Anticom> LocutusOfBorg: So you mean adding gtest via cmake's add_subdirectory in order to build it as a target before linking against it?
[16:33] <LocutusOfBorg> that one, yes
[16:33] <Anticom> hm, doesn't sound very convenient. However as i said i don't understand why everyone should build libgtest themselves anyway
[16:33] <LocutusOfBorg> because providing a system shared library failed
[16:34] <LocutusOfBorg> and google told us to remove it because it can't work
[16:34] <LocutusOfBorg> even the static one
[16:34] <LocutusOfBorg> you will find references to google/debian bugs if you search
[16:34] <Anticom> Yea I get that, i've read that myself (in the google docs). However i'm suggesting to invoke cmake after the sources have been installed in a post-install trigger
[16:35] <Anticom> Or wouldn't that work either?
[16:35] <LocutusOfBorg> nope, this is not Gentoo :)
[16:35] <LocutusOfBorg> the latter, it wouldn't work
[16:35] <Anticom> Bc this is typically what i do. I just sudo cmake where it's installed
[16:35] <Anticom> and with my projects i didn't have any issues
[16:35] <infinity> I suspect the concern here is that you need gtest built with the same compiler/linker options as your project.
[16:36] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't remember the exact issue, maybe some ABI
[16:36] <Anticom> Hm well, too bad
[16:36] <Anticom> Thank you guys for the elaboration :)
[16:36] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, probably, the ABI is not stable, building with different CFLAGS/LDFLAGS/GCC and so on changes the gtest library
[16:36] <infinity> Compiling it at install time would give the same results as us delivering a binary package to you -- it would have defaults that might be wrong.
[16:36] <LocutusOfBorg> exactly, but again, too much time has been since I looked at gtest
[16:36] <LocutusOfBorg> now it is googletest btw
[16:37] <Anticom> LocutusOfBorg: nope, still libgtest-dev
[16:37] <LocutusOfBorg> the source package is src:googletest that provides the libgtest-dev libraru
[16:37] <Anticom> ah i see
[16:38] <Anticom> okay thanks guys
[16:38] <LocutusOfBorg> you are welcome
[16:39] <LocutusOfBorg> hello perl, welcome back on i386
[16:39] <LocutusOfBorg> publisher run and FUN
[17:24] <juliank> infinity: LocutusOfBorg: I must say though that not shipping the library is a bit annoying. Other distributions do ship it, and the CMake plugin for gtest relies on the library, so you end up with ugly workarounds like the first 22 lines here: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/apt/apt.git/tree/test/libapt/CMakeLists.txt
[17:24] <juliank> (re gtest)
[17:24] <juliank> Although if everyone else would just switch over that would work as well
[17:44] <doko> infinity: any idea about https://launchpadlibrarian.net/336065945/buildlog_ubuntu-artful-amd64.cross-toolchain-base_18ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz ?
[17:44] <doko> not architecture specific
[17:50] <doko> argh, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-5/5.4.1-12ubuntu3/+build/13343450 ... SIGSEGV now undefined. header moved?
[18:23] <infinity> doko: Probably a side-effect of 9e78f6f6e7134a5f299cc8de77370218f8019237
[18:25] <infinity> Though, how it manifests only in our cross builds is something to look into.
[19:35] <jackpot51> tsimonq2: I have added a debdiff file here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/1699216
[19:35] <jackpot51> Let me know if that is what you need
[20:10] <LocutusOfBorg> juliank, http://sources.debian.net/src/pcl/1.8.1%2Bdfsg1-2/cmake/Modules/FindGtest.cmake/?hl=27#L27
[20:12] <LocutusOfBorg> you are probably right: https://gist.github.com/oneamtu/3734295
[20:28] <juliank> LocutusOfBorg: The offiical FindGTest.cmake shipped with CMake is different: https://github.com/Kitware/CMake/blob/master/Modules/FindGTest.cmake
[20:32] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe we should make it smarter and submit the patch upstream
[20:34] <juliank> LocutusOfBorg: Probably
[20:35] <juliank> but it's work and it takes time
[20:35] <LocutusOfBorg> the cmake module maintainer might want to do it
[20:35] <juliank> might have migrated to meson by the time it's widely available :)
[21:08] <tsimonq2> jackpot51: ack, I'll look in a few hours. Thanks!
[21:13] <catbus> jsalisbury: Hi, could you please advise what other kernel to test for bug 1646277?
[22:24] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, are you aware of missing xlocale.h ? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/336088033/buildlog_ubuntu-artful-ppc64el.boinc_7.9.0+dfsg~git20170906+r23843~r10~ubuntu17.10.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:24] <LocutusOfBorg> this smells like a glibc regression
[22:26] <jsalisbury> catbus, sorry for the delay on that bug.  I'll review it and see what the next steps should be.
[22:26] <catbus> jsalisbury: thank you!


[13:27] <PCdude> kiko: I ran into a problem again :)
[13:29] <PCdude> kiko: that is the error log of the bootstrapped machine: http://pastebin.com/raw/TtwnS1CM
[13:29] <PCdude> it gives an error code 1 when there is no KVM support is that necessary?
[13:40] <eject_ck> Hi all
[13:40] <eject_ck> trying to bootstrap juju 2 with maas 2 in 16.04 getting juju bootsrap hung when "Fetching" gui. I've added —debug and log. Please advice why hangs ? https://0bin.link/paste/hehQjxRA#sv0PImHpJHuOv1-FA3yUmgMpN2ycDe+1CS3HEg5oNl8
[16:31] <mup> Bug #1624693 opened: [2.1] Rack failed to run/register on fresh install <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1624693>
[21:49] <Guest17230> Greetings. I am just getting started (~30 minutes ago) with MAAS, and I don't understand the documentation.
[21:50] <Guest17230> I did an install from the Ubuntu Server ISO and it configured my region and rack controller
[21:50] <Guest17230> Now I am here: http://maas.io/docs/installconfig-dhcp
[21:51] <Guest17230> The first thing is that my version is "MAAS Version 2.0.0+bzr5189-0ubuntu1 (16.04.1)" and it doesn't quite line up with what the documentation says (things are just a little off). I am guessing it is just an update to the software and the docs are still catching up.
[21:52] <Guest17230> So I go to my "Networks" tab and I don't have a VLAN option....
[21:52] <Guest17230> but I can add one, so I do.
[21:53] <Guest17230> It shows my fabric-2 with two VLANs now. An "Untagged" and the one that I just created.
[21:54] <Guest17230> Well, that doesn't seem to be what the documentation says...So I delete the one I just created, and go to the "untagged"
[21:54] <Guest17230> But I can't add a subnet to "Untagged" like the documentation says to do!
[21:54] <Guest17230> It just isn't an option.
[21:55] <Guest17230> If I try to just add "Provide DHCP" I get the error "No subnets are available on this VLAN. DHCP cannot be enabled."
[22:03] <Guest17230> command line doesn't work either....
[22:03] <Guest17230> {"primary_rack": ["Select a valid choice. UbuntuMaas.maas is not one of the available choices."], "dhcp_on": ["dhcp can only be turned on when a dynamic IP range is defined."]}
[22:06] <Guest17230> Hrmm...something isn't configured right with the dhcp...
[22:07] <Guest17230> BTW, to whoever made the decision to use JSON instead of YAML...I just want to let you know that I love you...
[22:08] <Guest17230> JSON is just so easy to work with and I hate YAML so very much...as I am evaluating several different things to provision out server builds it seems a lot of them use YAML and it irritates me to no end....
[22:08] <Guest17230> Anyway...back to the dhcp problem...
[22:33] <Guest17230> Hrm. It looks like it isn't properly configuring my network cards....I will do that manually...
[22:36] <Guest17230> Hrm. Well...that "works"
[22:37] <Guest17230> After I manually assigned a network/ip to the network card, then I somehow managed to create a subnet that it liked (it didn't like most of what I tried to give it) and it finally created a dhcp pool...
[22:38] <Guest17230> Although my add network dhcp page looks /nothing/ like the documentation page...