[01:03] <ubptgbot> abd el was added by: abd el
[01:34] <ubptgbot> <Anony Izu> Ya idk how to boot this 😂, Gonna wait for official release
[01:46] <ubptgbot> <Soscat House> Could anyone point me to the location in filesystem of a teleports download (pinephone in case it matters...)?
[01:49] <ubptgbot> <Soscat House> Ah... Found it:  home/.local/share/teleports.ubuntu/files/documents
 so I managed to get my device to reboot to download mode using the ubports installer, now I gotta figure out how to get it to use heimdall to flash recovery, @neothethird is there a way to do that currently?
[02:10] <ubptgbot> <Alejandro Olivencia> I have installed UT in LG Nexus 5. It work really fine !! I have two questions: 1) Does it exist a kind of bleachbit (or ccleaner) here ? I tried in a terminal "sudo apt clean && sudo apt autoclean” and it did'nt work. 2) How configure correctly and independently my cameras ? I tried to change the camera configuration but it w
[02:10] <ubptgbot> as both configurations at the same time. Thanks in advance . You are doing a great job !! Congratulations !! Greetings from Tucuman, Argentina
 @Anony Izu [Is xiaomi redmi note 7 port working now?], yes, but not ready for end user
 @Alejandro Olivencia [I have installed UT in LG Nexus 5. It work really fine !! I have two questions: …], 1) no. and apt clean/autoclean aren't for deleting application data, and also apt is not supported as the rootfs is readonly. 2) i'm not sure what you mean by that. the "configuration" inside the camera app is for the app, not the hard
[02:34] <ubptgbot> ware
 @Shakendo [so I managed to get my device to reboot to download mode using the ubports insta …], I hope you're taking notes.
 once I get it figured out myself I will, speaking of, did my notes help ya?
 @Shakendo [once I get it figured out myself I will, speaking of, did my notes help ya?], Not really. I think I understand them but the whole process is just too foreign to me. I'm hoping to get a better look tomorrow or Friday.
 ok, the key is the device.tar.xz file, and the commandfile
 anyone playing Gearboy? … do you also experience where a save state crashes the app or stuck and seems corrupted?
[04:53] <ubptgbot> mohalamalhuda was added by: mohalamalhuda
 Hey! ive been playing with ubuntu touch recently (oneplus6t, halium9, gsi v8) and ive noticed that i'm unable to change date or timezone
 Even after i've edited /etc/timezone to Europe/Warsaw and rebooted phone it still remain unchanged in settings
 @Shakendo [so I managed to get my device to reboot to download mode using the ubports insta …], No, not yet. I need a device to test writing a wrapper, or someone to help with it
 Ahoy, anybody else on Version 845 from the Edge Channel on a Nexus5? I cannot lock the screen with the power button anymore 😄 Rebooting by pressing the button longer still works, but I cannot turn off the screen anymore and lock the phone
 It's not my primary phone, so I don't care that much, just wanted to see if there's anybody else or if it's my phone in particular
[07:16] <ubptgbot> HR Bot was added by: HR Bot
[07:34] <ubptgbot> Hk was added by: Hk
[07:35] <ubptgbot> Lo was added by: Lo
 I want to install Ubuntu touch on Samsung galaxy tab 2 p3100 . please guide.
 @rahul [I want to install Ubuntu touch on Samsung galaxy tab 2 p3100 . please guide.], I don't think there is a port for that device
 What is meaning of port
 @rahul [What is meaning of port], A port is a version of Ubuntu Touch specifically tailored for a device. When someone says "There's no port for that device" that means that there's no version that will run on that device yet. It hasn't been _ported_
[08:32] <ubptgbot> Raj Raunak Kumar was added by: Raj Raunak Kumar
[08:33] <ubptgbot> <Raj Raunak Kumar> Hey Is Ubuntu Convergence feature available on OnePlus One?
[08:48] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @Raj Raunak Kumar [Hey Is Ubuntu Convergence feature available on OnePlus One?], good question, i want to know too.
 @mohalamalhuda Seems you have Galaxy Star GT-S5282 (Galaxy Star Duos)?
 I know a dev which is fighting with that phone, may you contact him directly?
 @Raj Raunak Kumar [Hey Is Ubuntu Convergence feature available on OnePlus One?], Yes via miracast AFAIK
 But its slow and not usable atm
 P.S. not about Ubports thing, sorry... but I need find that man with own GT-S5282
 Also you will need an adapter
 The nexus 5 and the BQ tablet are the only devices with slimport out ready for “ convergence“
 The pinephone hardware has issues with the actual board
 [Edit] I know a dev which is fighting with that phone, may you contact him directly? His ID is @TipzTeam
[09:12] <ubptgbot> GitDeen was added by: GitDeen
 @stuarttempleton Released a new version of Podbird to the store, can you give it a quick test when you have a moment and check it fixes the issue for you? (I don't currently have access to a UBPorts device)
 Gaaaaayaaaaaaaaaaayaaaaa (in excitement)
[10:03] <ubptgbot> PtSurajShukla was added by: PtSurajShukla
[10:05] <ubptgbot> <Raj Raunak Kumar> I am not finding Nexsus 5 anywhere.
[10:10] <ubptgbot> Carlos was added by: Carlos
[10:11] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Raj Raunak Kumar [I am not finding Nexsus 5 anywhere.], Aliexpress, they've got more than available 100 pieces
[10:12] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Raj Raunak Kumar [I am not finding Nexsus 5 anywhere.], [Edit] Aliexpress, they've got more than  100 available pieces
 @Steve Kueffer [Aliexpress, they've got more than  100 available pieces], How much?
[10:12] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Around 100$
 Oh too much for me lol
 Podbird won't retrieve any results for podcasts no matter what I search. (on pinephone)
 when adding or searching added subscription?
[11:47] <ubptgbot> adalbertbialek was added by: adalbertbialek
 @Javacookies [when adding or searching added subscription?], I try to add and it tells me to use the magnifying glass button so I click that and search and no results are given. Maybe I'm doing it wrong somehow...
 @Javacookies [when adding or searching added subscription?], [Edit] When trying to search for a podcast to subscribe to, I try to add and it tells me to use the magnifying glass button so I click that and search and no results are given. Maybe I'm doing it wrong somehow...
[12:45] <ubptgbot> <Lora Amy> Fwd from B: In my difficult time I was so much confused that I don't have much income to take care of my responsibilities. Until my friend introduced me to this good and trustworthy woman who bring peace in my life today I advice you today to follow her below Dm ✍ … https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEXIgsK7TNRlVzO6DA
 Otherwise I was really surprised that it had most of the features I loved about antennaepod.
 How do you report spam here?
 [Edit] How do you report spam here? … Nevermind I found the report button
 @Steve Kueffer [Around 100$], Is the nexus 5 still a usable device? Seems like it would be awfully slow since it's nearly, what, 10 years old almost?
 And will the 5x run UT?
 @Cameron [And will the 5x run UT?], No
 @Cameron [Is the nexus 5 still a usable device? Seems like it would be awfully slow since …], pinephone is slower lmao
 @vtsoft [pinephone is slower lmao], One is completely open
 the other has issues
 Fwd from Good Gof: In my difficult time I was so much confused that I don't have much income to take care of my responsibilities. Until my friend introduced me to this good and trustworthy woman who bring peace in my life today I advice you today to follow her below Dm ✍ … https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEXIgsK7TNRlVzO6DA
 @Cameron [Is the nexus 5 still a usable device? Seems like it would be awfully slow since …], My nexus 4 is still usable under Android, only reason I upgraded was because newer apps wouldn't run it.  I'm sure the newer nexus 5 will be good enough.
 Nexus 5 running UT is nicer to use as a device than Android on it, in my experience. The only reeeaaaal issue to me is how Morph performs on it, compared to Chrome on Android on it.
 @Cameron [Is the nexus 5 still a usable device? Seems like it would be awfully slow since …], Nexus 5 is gives one of smoothest experience with UT
 That said, it's still a decent little phone on both platforms.
 @Cameron [When trying to search for a podcast to subscribe to, I try to add and it tells m …], hmmm, it did work on mine. I was able to subscribe to a couple of them
[12:57] <ubptgbot> Vlastimil Morávek was added by: Vlastimil Morávek
[12:57] <ubptgbot> <Vlastimil Morávek> Hello
[12:58] <ubptgbot> <Vlastimil Morávek> Please help on Ubuntu touch
[12:58] <ubptgbot> <Vlastimil Morávek> How to install it on an unsupported device?
 You can't install without a port
 @Daniel [Nexus 5 running UT is nicer to use as a device than Android on it, in my experie …], I would love for it to switch over to Mainline
[13:01] <ubptgbot> <Vlastimil Morávek> @mimecar [You can't install without a port], Why? Could it just unlock the bootloader, and somehow boot from the PC?
 No
 Every device needs a new port
 @Vlastimil Morávek [Why? Could it just unlock the bootloader, and somehow boot from the PC?], What's the name of the "unsupported device"?
 Check on XDA.
[13:03] <ubptgbot> <Vlastimil Morávek> @TigranKhachatryan [What's the name of the "unsupported device"?], Sony Xperia Z5 Compact
[13:03] <ubptgbot> <Vlastimil Morávek> @TigranKhachatryan [What's the name of the "unsupported device"?], thank you
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/45/building-ubuntu-touch-image-for-sony-xperia-z5-compact You might want to see this discussion
[13:09] <ubptgbot> <Vlastimil Morávek> @TigranKhachatryan [https://forums.ubports.com/topic/45/building-ubuntu-touch-image-for-sony-xperia- …], oh yes, thank you
 @jja2000 [I would love for it to switch over to Mainline], Pinephone then
 @Stereofont [Pinephone then], No I specifically mean Hammerhead
 @jja2000 [No I specifically mean Hammerhead], That has an ancient Android kernel unfortunately
 @Stereofont [That has an ancient Android kernel unfortunately], It has had a mainline port foryears
 @Stereofont [That has an ancient Android kernel unfortunately], [Edit] It has had a mainline port for years
 and it works fine
 You mean Postmarket OS?
 @Stereofont [You mean Postmarket OS?], Kernel is seperate from the OS
 Just like you're using the "ancient android kernel" for halium
[13:19] <ubptgbot> <Vlastimil Morávek> @TigranKhachatryan [https://forums.ubports.com/topic/45/building-ubuntu-touch-image-for-sony-xperia- …], so I'm trying ... nothing yet
[13:32] <ubptgbot> <Vlastimil Morávek> I managed to unlock the bootlauder
[13:34] <ubptgbot> sarahcumslut was added by: sarahcumslut
[13:37] <ubptgbot> <Vlastimil Morávek> They are going to download Ubuntu Touch files somewhere?
 @MikeSheldon [@stuarttempleton Released a new version of Podbird to the store, can you give it …], Playback speed is now 1x! Yay!
[13:57] <ubptgbot> <Vlastimil Morávek> <
[13:57] <ubptgbot> <Vlastimil Morávek> <
[13:57] <ubptgbot> <Vlastimil Morávek> ?
 I noticed thst this update was available in the openstore but my settings update didn't list it, today.
[14:04] <ubptgbot> <Vlastimil Morávek> please help https://developer.sony.com/develop/open-devices/get-started/unlock-bootloader/how-to-unlock-bootloader/#tutorial-step-3
 @stuarttempleton [Playback speed is now 1x! Yay!], Great :)
 @MikeSheldon [Great :)], Thanks, Mike!
 @stuarttempleton [Thanks, Mike!], you're welcome :)
 @neothethird [No, not yet. I need a device to test writing a wrapper, or someone to help with …], I gladly volunteer my device then
[14:26] <ubptgbot> Adesh Patil was added by: chetanbadhe
[14:45] <ubptgbot> Aadarsh Jane was added by: Aadarsh Jane
 @jja2000 [and it works fine], when I looked at it there were a few features not working
[14:47] <ubptgbot> Vltngry was added by: Vltngry
 @Shakendo [when I looked at it there were a few features not working], It's working kinda well, GPU problems are slowly getting phased out
 it isn't on par with android drivers though. and getting a bit off topic for here :)
 indeed, but nice to know they're still working on it
[15:21] <ubptgbot> Aanonnymous was added by: Aanonnymous
[15:23] <ubptgbot> <sylvia Dykes> (Photo, 1280x813) https://irc.ubports.com/f2jeen6Q.png https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAFiCGfAgAwW0Wiu5Hw
 @UniversalSuperBox spam
 Hello  … I am a programmer and i know c/c++/javascript  … I had seen that ununtu touch i an open source project and anyone can contribute in it . … Can anyone guide that how i can start ?
 @Aanonnymous do you have a device with Ubuntu Touch already?
 @NotKit [@Aanonnymous do you have a device with Ubuntu Touch already?], Yes
 well theres no list per-se, but the best way to contribute is to pick something you want to work on and go from there, github has a list of open issues as well
 that's a recent response from Dalton to a similar question
 Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: I'd say, find something that bugs you in one of the preinstalled apps. They're easiest to download, rebuild, and release, so you'll see a faster turn-around time for your fix. They're also smaller and easier to find problems in. Known quantities, as it were.
 Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: If it isn't something that bugs you personally, you probably won't have the follow-through on it. Not a dig at you, just how things tend to go
 @Shakendo [well theres no list per-se, but the best way to contribute is to pick something …], Ok
 @NotKit [If it isn't something that bugs you personally, you probably won't have the foll …], Om
 Ok
 I will go for native apps like messeging and contack aap
 Because i think that a good ui attracts users
 Thnks for helping
[15:31] <ubptgbot> Vighnesh Ramachandran was added by: Vighnesh Ramachandran
 @Aanonnymous [Hello  … I am a programmer and i know c/c++/javascript  … I had seen that ununtu to …], This will maybe help you to get started too: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/index.html
 Clickable is the tool for general apps that get shipped as click packages.
 @Aanonnymous [I will go for native apps like messeging and contack aap], or you can also check if there's any part of the OS that you think you can improve and/or fix bugs.
 @Aanonnymous [I will go for native apps like messeging and contack aap], good point, and easy to test and build.
 but you will not find much c/c++ there
 I know javascript
 And some  python
 After that i can switch to any framwork easily if needed
 QML / javascript mainly for core apps
 @lduboeuf [QML / javascript mainly for core apps], Ok
 and c/c++ for lower parts, services, components,  etc...
 Am jus going through the  whole lot documentation and all
 @lduboeuf [and c/c++ for lower parts, services, components,  etc...], Ok
 👍
 documentation is sparse, don't hesitate to improve it as well :)
 the keyboard has plenty of C++ parts … it needs improvements especially auto-corrections and stuffs 😄
 👍
 200000 things to do :)
 a hundred billion red barchettas floating across the sky
 yeah at least :)
 @Aanonnymous [Ok], core apps here: https://github.com/search?q=topic%3Acore-app+org%3Aubports&type=Repositories
 How to install on redmi 4a
 Any update for redmi note 4
 @Fauzan [How to install on redmi 4a], ??
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io
[17:29] <ubptgbot> Edegardo was added by: Edegardo
 Hi everyone, my Pinephone UBports CE does not have cellular data, the toggle in settings does not work, is there something I'm missing?
 I am on devel repository and the last time I updated was this morning
 Is there a way to revertto a previous  version of UT w/o reflashing?
 New update really screwed up my WiFi and gave my speakers a hissing sound
 technically no, because any change to the system image is "reflashing"
 but if you now the build number to install, you can ssh/adb into the phone and use `system-image-cli` to switch to a specific build; though i think it doesn't work currently when switching to an older build in the same channel
 Yeah that sounds out of my league. Dang, I shouldn’t have touched it! I’m an iPhone user. I know better than to update anything on day one.
 just switch to stable channel i guess
[19:57] <ikmaak> stable channel just jumped to #3, which is the same as dev today...
 build numbers are not consistent across all devices, and all devices did not have stable channel updates today
[20:20] <ikmaak> i was talking about the pinephone, as were the two people before me that you gave the stable channel tip to
 ok. well i can't keep track of what devices people are referring to when they don't mention them, especially when a lot of people have multiple different devices, and such problems are not necessarily limited to a specific device
[20:24] <ikmaak> i understand.
[20:25] <ikmaak> i just had my own issues with the new stable upgrade, so i noticed
[20:25] <ikmaak> and niffin just came out of another conversation on the pp chat
[20:27] <ikmaak> the nrs of the builds on pp are confusing anyway, as the dev channel and the img-builder are almost at the same nr. :)
 yes, pinephone is still a bit special
[20:28] <ikmaak> it is great though
[21:07] <ubptgbot> Sam Williams was added by: Sam Williams
[21:24] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> observation: when the display goes off by itself (auto suspend?) the music continues ok, when I turn the display off with the power button the music starts to be interrupted
 Hello
 What about cosmo communicator? Is there any port for it?
 I am back
 @vtsoft [What about cosmo communicator? Is there any port for it?], you can ask in @halium group if anyone is working on it i guess
 So I managed to install ut on unsupported mo
 Mobile
 @Aanonnymous [Ok], Joining the app development group would be a good idea
 they did long ago :P
 😁
 Sorry, when I mentioned my update woes I neglected to mention that I was running stable on the PinePhone.
[22:03] <ubptgbot> Terraaqua was added by: Terraaqua
 @Terraaqua [Terraaqua was added by: Petr], Hello
 HI


[18:46] <DammitJim> Michael, do you still need help Thursday morning?
[18:47] <DammitJim> man, I hate that I am going to miss so many good talks on Friday afternoon. Do you think they'll have them on video for me to watch later?
[18:57] <mhall119> DammitJim: no idea on video, I'll take any help I can get on Thursday, but if you can't don't worry about it
[19:01] <DammitJim> would you like for me to get there early?
[19:01] <DammitJim> Lori offered to take the kids to school, so I can be there before 8am if needed
[19:11] <Garheade> ahoneybun_: are you going to FLUX tonight?
[20:24] <mhall119> DammitJim: sure, I don't know when I'll arrive, but others will be staying at a local hotel
[20:43] <ahoneybun> Garheade: I am


[00:00] <mjg59> Keybuk: Yeah
[00:02] <Keybuk> mjg59: fprint seems a little ...
[00:02] <Keybuk> well, it's clearly a much better design
[00:02] <Keybuk> but not that finished yet
[00:02] <Keybuk> the pam module gets stuck because it doesn't actually produce a password prompt
[00:06] <Keybuk> but then thinkfinger is evil and uses uinput to poke ENTER to clear the password prompt it does produce
[00:12] <mjg59> Hm. I got a password prompt with my finput, IIRC
[00:12] <Keybuk> with pam_fprint I get a generic "Swipe your right index finger" prompt that only allows you to swipe
[00:12] <Keybuk> you can't enter a password instead
[00:13] <Keybuk> and this doesn't work with gdm, gksudo, etc.
[00:16] <mjg59> Set the modules lower down the stack to try_first_password or whatever
[00:18] <Keybuk> how do you mean?
[00:18] <Keybuk> I did it as:
[00:18] <Keybuk>   auth sufficient pam_fprint.so
[00:18] <Keybuk>  auth required pam_unix.so try_first_pass
[00:19] <mjg59> Hm
[00:19] <mjg59> That worked for me
[00:19] <mjg59> I could just type a password at the first prompt
[00:19] <mjg59> Though I was running code from ~ November
[00:20] <Keybuk> that's the current code
[00:20] <Keybuk> that gives me:
[00:20] <Keybuk> warcraft scott% sudo -s
[00:20] <Keybuk> Scan right index finger on UPEK TouchStrip
[00:20] <Keybuk> [cursor here]
[00:21] <Keybuk> only entering a password suffices
[00:21] <Keybuk> err
[00:21] <Keybuk> only swiping a finger suffices
[00:21] <Keybuk> sorry
[00:22] <Keybuk> pam_thinkfinger instead gives me
[00:22] <Keybuk> warcraft scott% sudo -s
[00:22] <Keybuk> Password or swipe finger: [cursor here]
[00:23] <Keybuk> and I can either enter a password or swipe my finger
[00:23] <mjg59> Well, sounds like a trivial amount of code to fix
[00:23] <Keybuk> true, but then you'd need the same evil thinkfinger uinput hack to press ENTER at the prompt
[00:57]  * toresbe just submitted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/194196
[00:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194196 in linux "Fails to insert nVidia SATA disk modules on boot causing boot fail" [Undecided,New]
[00:57] <toresbe> now correct me if I'm wrong, that goes to you guys, right? Not the kernel.org folks? I'm not familiar with launchpad.
[00:58] <Keybuk> right
[00:59] <toresbe> cool :)
[01:00] <TheMuso> c/
[01:00] <TheMuso> ugh
[05:19] <bwlang_> I'm seeing some lockups on my laptop (lenovo t60p)... i don't have a serial prot and the sysreq keys are not working. How can i debug this?
[06:00] <clever[rev]> bwlang_: can you crash it while in text mode?
[09:28] <kraut> moin
[13:16] <lkolbe> macd, thanks for the suggestion. I never managed to get the kernel build directly with pbuilder at all :(.
[14:51] <bwlang_> clever[rev]: it's pretty intermittent... i have not yet seen it without X running, but I don't spend very much time without X.
[15:33] <Kano> hi rtg , how about updating the xpad driver for xbox 360 controllers? i just bought gh3 pc and want to use my guitar
[15:33] <rtg> how about sending a patch once in awhile?
[15:33] <Kano> against kernel?
[15:34] <Kano> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xbox_360_controller_on_Linux
[15:34] <rtg> I have no idea where that driver lives. I assume its the kernel.
[15:34] <Kano> you basically could update the xpad files
[15:34] <Kano> from the cvs
[15:35] <rtg> Kano: I don't want to know, nor am I interested in researching it. I want to be spoon fed the patch while I get on with other (much more critical) bug fixes.
[15:35] <rtg> same with aufs.
[15:35] <Kano> well will try to update the kernel later
[15:36] <Kano> or should i try it external in lum?
[15:36] <rtg> I'll leave that up to you.
[15:37] <Kano> i thought i could directly play frets on fire now that ;)
[15:37] <Kano> do you know that game
[15:38] <rtg> who has time for games?
[15:38] <Kano> it is fun ;)
[15:38] <Kano> when you need to relax a bit
[15:39] <rtg> when I need to relax I get my ass outdoors
[15:39] <Kano> ok, thats another way
[17:05] <johanbr> mjg59: Is there any chance I could ask you to take a look at bug #124797 (second core loses cpufreq support on resume) ?
[17:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124797 in linux-source-2.6.22 "CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor applet on dual-core doesn't work after resume" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124797
[18:02] <rtg> tjaalton: ABI bump to -10 in git repo. I uploaded a bit ago, but -10 won't appear until the Alpha thaw happens.
[18:28] <tjaalton> rtg: thanks, I believe there'll be a new nvidia blob soon, since they released new chips (9600GT, Quadro FX3600M) today/yesterday
[18:29] <rtg> tjaalton: are all of the flavours represented in lrm now? virtual/xen/rt/server/generic/386/lpia ?
[18:31] <rtg> tjaalton: we also need to think harder about getting lrm under git control. that would make questions like this moot since I'm too lazy to download that ginormous package.
[19:46] <tjaalton> rtg: virtual & xen are missing
[19:50] <tjaalton> rtg: if git works with large binary files, then I'm all for putting it under git
[19:52] <amitk> tjaalton: git has no problems, but the meta date is huge, so you end up with a repo that is twice the size of real files. We need some way of decoupling the various binary tarballs from the build info in LRM. This build info needs to be in git, the binary tarballs - not really.
[19:55] <amitk> s/date/data
[19:59] <tjaalton> amitk: ah, ok. we've had some discussions with tseliot to revamp the packaging anyway (for ibex), so maybe it would be a good time to consider git
[20:06] <bwlang_> damn... just hung again... this is the 4th time in 2 days.  I didn't see anything in launchpad about this.  Is there any way to debug given that I don't have a serial port on this laptop?  And magic sysreq doesn't work.
[20:33] <rtg> tjaalton: my suggestion for putting lrm in git is to commit everything except the binaries, and perhaps create and commit a script that pulls the binaries (the correct versions, or course) from their respective web sites.
[20:34] <rtg> tjaalton: I've been experimenting with linux-meta in git, and it works OK as far as having to rename the directory every ABI bump.
[20:35] <rtg> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-hardy-meta.git;a=summary
[20:51] <tjaalton> rtg: ok, that could work. maybe we can discuss the details in Prague ;)
[20:55] <amitk> tjaalton: rtg: good beer should definitely help ;)
[20:56] <tjaalton> good ol'fashioned coaster-design ;)
[22:16] <dade`> hi
[22:16] <dade`> I have the "rescheduling interrupt" bug
[22:17] <dade`> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/177895
[22:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177895 in linux "Kernel 2.6.24-2 causing ~1000 wakeups by "Rescheduling Interrupts"" [Medium,Fix released]
[22:23] <dade`> and i'm using 2.6.24-8.14
[22:23] <dade`> so it's not fixed
[22:50] <dade`> damit


[00:00] <kiko-afk> soren, geser: https://launchpad.net/bugs/179816
[00:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179816 in malone ""Unknown" importance should be unsettable if project uses Launchpad for bugtracking" [Medium,Confirmed]
[00:05] <ubotu> New bug: #191401 in launchpad "text-to-html on products?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191401
[01:51] <ubotu> New bug: #191423 in launchpad "wish: subscribe to announcements by mail" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191423
[02:50] <reacocard> I just created a PPA, and uploaded a couple of source packages to it, which were accepted. However, they do not appear to be building nor are they listed in the build records, is this normal?
[02:56] <jamesh> reacocard: what's your Launchpad ID?
[02:57] <reacocard> same as my username here, but I made a separate team for this PPA, called reacocard-awn
[02:58] <jamesh> that is weird
[02:59] <jamesh> I'd have expected to see them at https://edge.launchpad.net/~reacocard-awn/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[02:59] <reacocard> exactly what I was expecting
[02:59] <reacocard> but, they're not, and no error of any sort was given
[02:59] <jamesh> a lot of the PPA stuff is handled by cron jobs
[03:00] <jamesh> so it is possible that it hasn't been picked up for building yet (even though the source packages have been published)
[03:00] <reacocard> even so i'd expect it to be listed as 'pending' or something like that on the status page
[03:00] <reacocard> sorry, 'needs building'
[03:01] <reacocard> if it goes through on the cron and it's just not showing in the UI then that is a bug that need fixing, giving feedback to users is improtant
[03:01] <jamesh> if it still hasn't shown up in 30 minutes to an hour, please file a ticket at https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz
[03:02] <reacocard> it's already been nearly 40 minutes for the first one
[03:03] <jamesh> I agree that the system needs work.  At some point, it'd be good to make the system a lot more event based
[03:03] <jamesh> (similar to how the background jobs for code hosting work)
[03:03] <reacocard> sounds good
[03:04] <reacocard> I'll give it another 20 minutes, if nothing shows then I'll file a ticket at the page you linked to
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #191445 in launchpad "lint.sh still does s/bzr+ssh:/sftp:/, even though bug 147836 is fixed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191445
[03:28] <reacocard> jamesh: it just went through (build failed but that was my fault, missing build-dep), so it seems it's just a bug in launchpad's build display mechanism
[03:41] <reacocard> mm, more ui bugs, after deleting what I had uploaded my 0 source packages are taking up 2.2MB of space :)
[03:44] <jamesh> reacocard: asking to delete something just removes it from the archive.
[03:44] <jamesh> there is another batch job that goes through to actually remove obsolete files later on
[03:44] <jamesh> unless you are running close to the quota, I wouldn't worry about it
[03:45] <reacocard> ah ok
[03:45] <reacocard> It just looked weird, I figured it'd be something like that
[03:46] <jamesh> there are still rough edges on the PPA functionality, as you've seen
[08:05] <carlos> morning
[08:28] <ubotu> New bug: #191485 in launchpad "repeated rows when searching for bugs with patches" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191485
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #191486 in launchpad "badge in bug listing for bugs with patches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191486
[08:54] <goobsoft> I'm trying to use pbuilder to ensure I have the proper build-deps in a package I'm going to upload to lp ppa.  However, I'm getting "cp: cannot stat `./misc': No such file or directory"
[08:54] <goobsoft> I searched on google and all I found was this which seems to be the same thing
[08:54] <goobsoft> http://pastebin.ca/884424
[08:54] <goobsoft> the only place I have misc is in debian/control as "Section: misc"
[09:03] <goobsoft> nevermind, I was running pbuilder with the changes instead of the dsc
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #191517 in rosetta "Person's translations page points to hidden pofiles" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191517
[10:58]  * kiko high fives scottk
[11:07] <thegodfather> hmmmm
[11:07] <thegodfather> kiko: ping?
[11:08] <kiko> yes thegodfather?
[11:08] <thegodfather> hey consigliere
[11:08] <kiko> how goes it
[11:08] <thegodfather> kiko: i am a bit lost on the LP interface.. i was wondering if you could help me a second
[11:08] <thegodfather> pretty ok... i guess
[11:08] <thegodfather> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/<IP_ADDRESS>-5.16
[11:08] <thegodfather> i am trying to find the binaries generated by that source
[11:09] <thegodfather> i remember there was a way in LP to download them from the librarian even if removed from disk
[11:09] <thegodfather> but i can't find it anymore
[11:09] <kiko> right
[11:09] <kiko> thegodfather, unpack builds, follow a build, and then unpack resulting binaries, and pick the binary.
[11:09] <kiko> by unpack I mean expand the portlet
[11:10] <thegodfather> oh there it is :)
[11:10] <thegodfather> thanks
[11:10] <kiko> rock on
[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #191534 in launchpad "Leadership Code of Conduct should be signed by Team Leaders" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191534
[12:22] <dholbach> how often are NEW packages accepted into PPA?
[12:35] <dholbach> cprov: ^ do you know?
[12:36] <cprov> dholbach: PPA uploads are auto-accepted, there is no queue-stage
[12:37] <dholbach> cprov: ah ok, it's just that in the 5-a-day PPA there are "No matching builds." for "All states" although I got the accepted mail
[12:37] <cprov> dholbach: PPA url ?
[12:38] <dholbach> cprov: https://launchpad.net/~5-a-day/+archive/+builds
[12:38] <cprov> dholbach: it takes up to 1 hour until the accepted sources get queued for build
[12:38] <dholbach> cprov: I see - thanks a lot, I'll be patient then :)
[12:38] <cprov> dholbach: ahh, that was the team name :) sorry.
[12:39] <dholbach> don't worry
[12:41] <cprov> dholbach: published 38 minutes ago ... the build(s) will be there in a bit, queue-builder starts on :08 and finishes on :48 (hourly)
[12:41] <dholbach> rock and roll
[12:41] <dholbach> gracias cprov - you ROCK
[12:41] <dholbach> hey thekorn
[12:42] <thekorn> huhu dholbach
[12:42] <cprov> dholbach: PPA users *rock* even more :), keep it up !
[12:43] <dholbach> :-)
[12:53] <cprov> dholbach: btw, your build is there.
[13:00] <dholbach> cprov: yoohoo!
[13:02] <holtmann> I put in the bluez-gnome trunk/HEAD for translation and import directly from CVS. However it seems that needs to be approved first. Can someone please do that. Thanks.
[13:12] <kiko> holtmann, I did it today, but the import failed.
[13:12] <kiko> holtmann, I asked mwhudson to help me figure out what the problem is, because it's pretty weird.
[13:12] <holtmann> kiko: Anything I can do?
[13:13] <holtmann> Besides that Sourceforge.net CVS was down yesterday for a few hours.
[13:13] <kiko> holtmann, well, there might be -- I'll be able to tell you tomorrow.
[13:13] <kiko> he's in NZ so the timezone doesn't work out so well
[13:13] <holtmann> Okay ping me and I do it.
[15:55] <ubotu> New bug: #191594 in soyuz "Add kubuntu-kde4 task" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191594
[17:05] <jonalv> Can launchpad couple to sourceforges bug tracking system in some way?
[17:06] <kiko> yes
[17:06] <kiko> we support sourceforge perfectly!
[17:06] <kiko> just add watches
[17:07] <jonalv> I like the word "perfectly" :)
[17:10] <jonalv> and now my question would be: what's the base url for a sourceforge projects bug tracking?
[17:11] <kiko> jonalv, just use a sourceforge URL
[17:11] <kiko> jonalv, SF is a unique tracker -- so it's a bit special.
[17:11] <kiko> jonalv, is there a form asking you for a base url?
[17:11] <kiko> jonalv, ah! you don't need to register the tracker
[17:11] <kiko> jonalv, just use SF urls -- it works.
[17:14] <jonalv> hm I don't think I understand. I seem to have some other projects bugs now :)
[17:15] <kiko> jonalv, what are you trying to do?
[17:16] <jonalv> Well in change details I changed bugs are tracked from "somewhere else" to In a registered bug tracker Sourceforge.net tracker
[17:18] <jonalv> Then I went over to bugs thinking that I could point it over to some sourceforge adress somehow
[17:19] <jonalv> ah well not exactly I think it was something about bug tracker....
[17:20] <jonalv> The short answer is probably: "then I got lost..."
[17:27] <kiko> aha
[17:27] <kiko> jonalv, can you show me an example bug? I'll teach you something.

[17:27] <ubotu> Sourceforge bug 1885535 "Jmol broken in 1.2.0" [Pri: 5,Open]  - Assigned to Nobody/Anonymous
[17:30] <ChrisM> Hello, is there the Launchpad where I can get help with Ubuntu problems?  I was directed to here by a person in #ubuntu.
[17:31] <ChrisM> is this*
[17:33] <kiko> jonalv, I mean the launchpad bug.
[17:33] <kiko> ChrisM, what problems are you having?
[17:33] <jonalv> kiko, what launchpad bug? :)
[17:33] <kiko> jonalv, you said "in change details".. what project was this?
[17:33] <jonalv> kiko, we seems to have some sort of communication problem here :)
[17:33] <kiko> yeah, a big one!
[17:34] <kiko> heh
[17:34] <ChrisM> I updated the Linux Kernel Headers, and no matter what I try, I can't seem to get past this error in the menu.lst
[17:34] <jonalv> the launchpad project is bioclipse
[17:34] <kiko> ChrisM, okay. they probably were suggesting you asked the question at answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[17:34] <kiko> jonalv, thanks.
[17:35] <ChrisM> Oh, on a forum?
[17:35] <kiko> ChrisM, sort of.
[17:35] <ChrisM> OH OK.
[17:36] <kiko> jonalv, okay. were you looking to import your bugs into launchpad? I guess I'm not sure what you want to do.
[17:36] <jonalv> Well remember what I asked first? If laucnhpad could couple over and use the sourceforge bug tracker
[17:37] <jonalv> somehow
[17:38] <kiko> jonalv, well, can you clarify the somehow? that's the root of my confusion right now. :-)
[17:38] <jonalv> Ah well, I guess hm...
[17:39] <jonalv> Well pu it like this
[17:39] <jonalv> We want to use launchpad but we want to keep having the bugs at sourceforge for a while longer.
[17:39] <jonalv> Is there a best way for doing this?
[17:40] <jonalv> Can launchpad use the bugs over at sourceforge in some way?
[17:40] <jonalv> I was beginning to suspect this was the case since I could clearly tell it that the bugs in fact are over at sourceforge...
[17:44] <jonalv> ah ping kiko?
[17:45] <kiko> jonalv, okay.
[17:46] <kiko> jonalv, right now we can't import your bugs read-only into launchpad. we'd like to do that, but there is a bit of engineering that needs to happen.
[17:46] <tomek> good day, I need to develop a closed source project. Can I host it on launchpad?
[17:46] <kiko> tomek, talk to statik! :)
[17:47] <tomek> kiko: thanks :)
[17:47] <kiko> jonalv, I was checking to see if your software is in Ubuntu, but I see it's not
[17:47] <jonalv> kiko, okey so the answer is: "not yet"? :)
[17:47] <jonalv> ah yes the answer to that is not yet :)
[17:47] <kiko> jonalv, well, what can be done is bugs in Launchpad can be linked to bugs in SourceForge
[17:47] <kiko> jonalv, however, in your case, that isn't really what you want I don't think
[17:47] <jonalv> okey, that is at least very helpful I guess
[17:47] <kiko> jonalv, we use this functionality so that a project can keep track of bugs that are actually caused by other software
[17:48] <jonalv> ah
[17:48] <kiko> jonalv, for instance, in Ubuntu, we use these links (called bug watches) to say "this bug is in Ubuntu, but it's actually caused by a problem in firefox" or whatever upstream it is.
[17:48] <kiko> jonalv, let me find a bug to exemplify this to you
[17:48] <tomek> statik: hello? :)
[17:48] <jonalv> yup I understand :)
[17:49] <jonalv> kiko, I understand :)
[17:49] <kiko> tomek, hmm, let me see if he's on the phone
[17:49] <kiko> ah, he dropped off
[17:49] <kiko> tomek, can you write to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:50] <tomek> oh, okey. but I mean only an academic project for a competition
[17:50] <tomek> it is not something big or... you know :)
[17:51] <kiko> tomek, yeah, I understand -- Launchpad's free for free software, and for non-free you need to check with him
[17:51] <tomek> something that may get opened next year
[17:51] <tomek> ok thanks :)
[17:58] <statik> tomek: hey there
[17:58] <statik> was getting some food
[18:03] <tomek> hey!
[18:04] <tomek> I was thinking about using Launchpad for our academic project
[18:04] <tomek> it has to be in the beginning closed source, because we would lose the competition if others took all our work
[18:05] <tomek> the topic is very hot, so our innovations must be kept secret
[18:05] <tomek> is it possible to get such an account?
[18:11] <Rinchen> tomek, interesting!
[18:11] <Rinchen> tomek, the best thing you can do is to send an email with your details to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:11] <tomek> statik is probably eating the food now
[18:12] <tomek> Rinchen: send a request or share the idea of hosting a closed source projects?
[18:12] <statik> tomek: go ahead and mail me as kiko previously suggested and we'll see what we can do.
[18:12] <Rinchen> tomek, what statik just said :-)
[18:13] <statik> it sounds like a very exciting project
[18:13] <tomek> yes
[18:13] <kiko> ah, I was going to show jonalk https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/16465
[18:13] <kiko> oh well
[18:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 16465 in firefox "Firefox eats up all the CPU with certain pages" [Medium,Confirmed]  - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs)
[18:13] <tomek> competition by MS
[18:13] <tomek> so does launchpad help in translating Visual Studio projects?
[18:14] <statik> tomek: I don't think it has anything to do with visual studio
[18:14] <statik> but with the resource file format
[18:14] <statik> windows uses integers as string identifiers
[18:14] <tomek> oh..
[18:14] <statik> while po files use the english string as an identifier
[18:15] <tomek> so there is no bigger problem
[18:15] <statik> no
[18:15] <statik> it's a question of teaching launchpad to understand the file format
[18:15] <statik> I've been thinking we needed to support this
[18:15] <statik> but you are the first person I've seen request it
[18:15] <statik> do you have your resource files built already, or are you just getting started?
[18:16] <tomek> we are just getting started
[18:16] <tomek> and I've found your blueprint manager
[18:16] <tomek> that's thing I dreamed of
[18:16] <statik> it can be a bit tricky to allow changing languages on the fly using the windows translation formats
[18:16] <statik> but you don't have to use the built in windows resource file format on your code
[18:16] <statik> in fact, if you intend the software to be portable to other systems, I recommend against using the windows format
[18:17] <statik> and instead using something like ICU (IBM Components for Unicode or something like that) for managing your strings
[18:17] <statik> this works just fine on windows and all the other platforms as well, so porting is a whole lot easier
[18:17] <tomek> it is a MS competition, so we have to use VS...
[18:17] <statik> sure, you can use visual studio
[18:17] <statik> that is just a compiler and an IDE
[18:18] <statik> anyway, I'm sure you will make a good choice there
[18:18] <tomek> thanks :)
[18:18] <statik> just wanted to point out a hard-earned lesson about portability in translation formats :)
[18:21] <tomek> we are now choosing technologies to achieve our goals, and the time to decide on file formats is coming :)
[18:22] <tomek> thanks a lot, I will consult the rest of the team and talk to you if they get excited with launchpad too@
[18:22] <tomek> bye!
[18:54] <ubotu> New bug: #191623 in malone "Launchpad should import statuses from Savannah bugs" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191623
[18:54] <ubotu> New bug: #191624 in malone "Launchpad should import importances from Savannah bugs" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191624
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #191639 in malone "Bug status transitions should be recorded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191639
[19:05] <pochu> Can I subscribe to 3 bugs in a row?
[19:06] <pochu> ubotu: subscribe 1234 !
[19:06] <pochu> ^ that would be cool
[19:21] <ubotu> New bug: #191648 in malone "Launchpad bugs should have an aging report" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191648
[20:16] <ubotu> New bug: #191666 in soyuz "PPA: Delay before packages appear in build queue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191666
[21:19] <Sam__> Hi Launchpad team, I was interested in trying out the Launchpad translation facility for my project, but my translation file has been in the import queue for 7 days now.  Can you help?
[21:50] <seb128_> hi
[21:51] <seb128_> is there a way to know what ubuntu task has a watch on a determined upstream url?
[21:55] <Fujitsu> seb128_: A URL like https://edge.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/mozilla-bugs/375591 will take you to the Launchpad bug that references #375591 in Mozilla Bugzilla.
[21:55] <seb128_> Fujitsu: thanks
[22:05] <tomek> have a good valentines :)
[22:23] <Seq> Hello. If a team creates a PPA, can any team member upload to that PPA, or is there a way to limit it to a certain few?
[22:24] <lifeless> Seq: the team defines write access, anyone can read
[22:24] <lifeless> Seq: so no, you can't have team A's ppa only written to by team B.
[22:26] <Seq> lifeless: well it's just one team. I just created one and have had two users request membership. I want them to be involved, but don't want them to be able to upload to the PPA until there is a certain level of trust.
[22:26] <lifeless> Seq: sounds like you equate 'involved' with 'team membership'
[22:27] <lifeless> Seq: what ubuntu does is have various teams for graduated trust
[22:32] <Seq> lifeless: ahh, I see. so you'd have Blah-members and Blah-community
[22:33] <lifeless> yes, *if* you need to grant some permissions (like bug triage) to some people, and others (like ppa's) to other people
[22:33] <Seq> lifeless: i'm not neccessarily equating involved with membership, but I don't want them to mistake "rejected membership" for "rejected participation"
[22:34] <lifeless> fair enough
[22:34] <Seq> lifeless: i'll keep that in mind in the future. I'll probably just talk to them beforehand and explain the issue. I'm sure they'll understand
[22:34] <Seq> Thanks!
[23:00] <jml> Hey guys.
[23:00] <jml> Looks like my linode server is down :(
[23:07] <soren> People still use linode servers?
[23:07] <soren> Are those still uml based?
[23:10] <jml> soren: no idea
[23:11] <soren> *shrug*
[23:11] <jml> soren: what do the cool kids use?
[23:11] <jml> instead of linode, that is.
[23:11] <soren> I've got an actual server hosted somewhere.  I could fit a lot of linodes on one of those :)
[23:21] <ubotu> New bug: #191701 in launchpad "build stuck in pending state" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191701
[23:26] <spiv> soren: you can get a linode for 20 USD.  For that price it's only 360 MB RAM and 10 GB storage, but that's plenty for what I need.
[23:29] <spiv> soren: (and they are still UML based I think, although they are beta testing Xen)
[23:29] <soren> spiv: Yes, I just found that out, too.
[23:30] <ubotu> New bug: #191703 in launchpad "ppa overview page doesn't make failed archive visible" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191703
[23:46] <steveire> Hi I'm still confused about version numbering in my ppa. I've named the package 1.1.10-1ubuntu1~ppa1. That should be upgraded if a new version of libxine appears in -backports. Is that what will happen with the current version name


[03:41] <robert_ancell> RAOF, hah!  You recent G+ post makes it sound like my arrival causes screens to change colour!
[03:41] <RAOF> Heh.
[03:56] <robert_ancell> RAOF, oh sweet, did you manage to get 2 ColorHugs in the end?
[03:56] <robert_ancell> Do you owe much of your soul to Richard?
[03:57] <RAOF> The 50-odd pounds I paid for mine covers that debt nicely :)
[03:57] <RAOF> I'd already pre-ordered some time ago.
[04:09] <robert_ancell> RAOF, btw, does it work out of the box in 12.04 or do you need to install any pacakges?
[04:09] <RAOF> You can't calibrate with anything out of the box, but when you plug something in and hit the "calibrate" button it'll packagekit itself the necessary packages.
[04:10] <RAOF> It looks like colord isn't built with colorhug support, though, and can't be because we apparently don't have libgusb yet.
[04:11] <robert_ancell> RAOF, so it doesn't work?
[04:11] <robert_ancell> (unless you build from source?)
[04:11] <RAOF> Not out of the box.
[04:11] <RAOF> I'm now doing a little light debugging.
[04:12] <robert_ancell> RAOF, cause if it doesn't I'd like to SRU up some packages so we can do it at UDS for random people with a 12.04 laptop
[04:46] <Sarvatt> RAOF: was the huey i lent you making the screen obnoxiously pink like it was after i got it back from you?
[04:46] <RAOF> Sarvatt: No, it wasn't.
[04:46] <Sarvatt> its uselessly broken now
[04:46] <Sarvatt> i want to buy a hug but 16 weeks lead time...
[04:48] <RAOF> It's much more reasonable if you think of ordering 16 weeks in the past :)
[04:49] <Sarvatt> i have a color profile on this pc from calibrating it before lending it to you in budapest thats so much better than stock it isnt funny but need to calibrate more screens
[04:49] <Sarvatt> apparently it normal hueys go dead in a few months and calibrate too pink
[04:52] <Sarvatt> now if only UDS wasnt so screwed compared to GBP
[04:52] <Sarvatt> USD rather
[04:53] <Sarvatt> $112 for a colorhug :(
[04:56] <RAOF> Oooh, ow.
[06:04] <mlankhorst> morning
[06:10] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Good morning!
[06:29] <BigWhale> Greetings.
[06:29] <RAOF> Fellow Humans!
[06:30] <rickspencer3> RAOF,  "fellow" humans?
[06:31] <BigWhale> I wanted to add "take me to your leader", but it would be a bit too much :>
[06:31] <RAOF> rickspencer3: You're a Jolly Fellow, right? :)
[06:31] <rickspencer3> RAOF, hmmm, I presume Jolly Fellow is some slang I don't know?
[06:32] <RAOF> No, not really.
[06:32] <RAOF> It just indicates a certain intonation of ‘jolly fellow’. :)
[06:33] <rickspencer3> hehe
[06:37] <BigWhale> Hm, python3 does something funny to ctypes types. All the char pointers are converted to byte sequences instead of strings ...
[08:12] <Sweetshark> micahg: yes it is.
[08:13] <micahg> Sweetshark: thanks
[08:34] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, am i basically on my own today?
[08:35] <micahg> good morning chrisccoulson
[08:35] <chrisccoulson> hi
[08:38] <czajkowski> Good morning
[08:38]  * ogra_ watches from the fence to see how chrisccoulson deals with that much power :)
[09:11] <chrisccoulson> wow, i can't believe it's not raining this morning
[10:37] <lifeless> I recently gave my dad my old D430
[10:38] <lifeless> its hanging a lot for him
[10:38] <lifeless> X lockup, I think, as he can ssh into it.
[10:38] <lifeless> is there a debug-howto for X these days ?
[11:02] <RAOF> lifeless: There's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting
[11:03] <lifeless> intel card of course, don't suppose we know of a known problem on dell D430's ?
[11:04] <RAOF> Do you happen to know what card it's got?
[11:08] <lifeless> not offhand
[11:08] <lifeless> Its probaly in LP in a bug somewhere :)
[11:10] <lifeless> RAOF: separately, https://twitter.com/#!/jamezpolley/status/196916428916535297
[11:10] <lifeless> (further back has his hardware)
[11:11] <lifeless> should I point him at the same page ?
[11:13] <RAOF> Yeah; particularly https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen
[11:37] <lifeless> RAOF: thanks
[12:24] <jo-erlend> I found some time to play with Vala again. Thought I'd just make a simple WebKit-thing. That's not simple with Vala/GTK3. Doesn't seem to be packaged. The advise I get is to copy .vapi and .deps, edit the  .deps-file and import the new name. That's not particularly app-developer friendly. Any reason why this is so?
[12:25] <jo-erlend> I mean; there's no difficulties with GTK3 and Python from GIR, so webkit obviously handles it.
[13:55] <dobey> jo-erlend: i odn't understand what your question is there
[13:56] <dobey> jo-erlend: problem is there is no webkit vapi?
[14:00] <dobey> jo-erlend: ah, i see you asked in the correct place (#vala)
[14:16] <chrisccoulson> jbicha_ is being very calm on the "let's all jump on the ubuntu-hating bandwagon" thread on G+ ;)
[14:24] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: oh, which thread?
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, https://plus.google.com/u/0/107928060492923463788/posts/gxnw6ZzCXV9
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, https://twitter.com/#!/lucasratmundo/status/196899565985742848
[14:29] <dobey> chrisccoulson: that's it, i'm installing arch.
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> lol
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> right, i need to pop to the optician now
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> bbiab
[14:31] <kenvandine> dobey, hehe
[14:47] <jo-erlend> dobey, yes, I asked in #Vala first. I haven't used WebKit in Vala before. But I have used GTK3 with WebKit before, using Python. So to me, it seems like it must be a bug.
[14:48] <jo-erlend> dobey, things like that should still be able to make it into 12.04, right?
[14:48] <dobey> jo-erlend: i doubt it
[14:50] <dobey> jo-erlend: a new version of vala almost certainly wouldn't make it into precise anyway. if upstream webkit added the vapis and made a new release that needed to go into preise for security fixes, then maybe it could go in that way. but i wouldn't bet on that happening
[14:52] <jo-erlend> Ubuntu is just too weird in some areas. All this talk about Ubuntu as an app development platform, but WebKit is excluded?
[14:55] <jo-erlend> WebKit is probably _the_ most important tool for new programmers, because you can accomplish fairly impressive results with little code.
[15:13] <dobey> jo-erlend: well you can't use webkit 3.0 from java either right now. Just because it isn't usable from all possible languages on the platform, doesn't mean it's excluded. Ubuntu is just as dependent on upstream development as any other Linux distro.
[15:14] <jo-erlend> dobey, I'd say Vala is slightly more relevant than Java to Ubuntu development.
[15:15] <dobey> jo-erlend: then work with upstreams to get it supported, and it will be in 12.10; or invent a time machine, go back in time 6 months, work with upstreams, change history, and get it into 12.04. :)
[15:16] <jo-erlend> dobey, the problem is that as long as functionality is intermittent, we can't make Ubuntu an attractive platform for development. And if we can't do that, then we also can't make it attractive to users.
[15:20] <dobey> you are overreacting.
[15:20] <jo-erlend> I ported by PyGTK application to GI. Then I realized to my horror that it would never work because of a bug in GTK or the GTK GIR overrides. So I started porting it to Vala. Being a Gnome language, I thought, it should be much better at GIR. And so far, it seems to be. But a major part of the application is webkit, which cannot be used in Vala.
[15:20] <jo-erlend> s/by/my/
[15:21] <jo-erlend> of course, there was no way of knowing this when I started the development.
[15:22] <dobey> you can use gtk2 webkit in vala for your application right now. and it will work.
[15:22] <jo-erlend> have you tried?
[15:23] <dobey> tried in what respect? i have done it, if that's what you mean
[15:23] <jo-erlend> because I got about 950 errors about GTK2/GTK3 incompatibilities when I tried doing that.
[15:23] <dobey> well you can't use gtk3 *and* gtk2 webkit
[15:23] <jo-erlend> right.
[15:24] <dobey> at least, not in the same binary
[15:24] <dobey> and i ported gwibber-accounts to gtk3, which uses webkit and is python. not sure what but prevents you from using that
[15:26] <jo-erlend> in Python, WebKit is not a problem. TreeViews is the problem. You can't make custom models in Python for use with GTK3 applications.
[15:28] <jo-erlend> That's been holding Gramps back for about a year, for instance.
[15:28] <dobey> what sort of custom model? are TreeStore or ListStore somehow not good enough?
[15:29] <jo-erlend> right.
[15:30] <jo-erlend> Gramps uses a database, for instance. That's my grief too, except I use another database.
[15:32] <jo-erlend> you can probably circumvent all these bugs. But the point is, it shouldn't be acceptable to have these kinds of bugs at all, if Ubuntu wants to become an attractive platform for app development.
[15:32] <dobey> it is not specific to Ubuntu
[15:32] <jo-erlend> I know. So what?
[15:33] <dobey> so have you done anything to help fix them?
[15:33] <jo-erlend> we can choose to fix those kinds of bugs in Ubuntu, or we can choose not to. If not, then Ubuntu should stop trying to attract developers, because they will be disappointed at some stage.
[15:34] <dobey> Welcome to The Real World (TM), jo.
[15:34] <dobey> developers are going to be disappointed by something on the platform at some stage, no matter what you do
[15:34] <jo-erlend> dobey, yes, I have.  But I'm not able to go into GTK hacking. I don't have that knowledge, and I don't think that should be a requirement for writing Python applications either.
[15:35] <dobey> but it's required to have knowledge to write a custom tree model in gtk+?
[15:35] <jo-erlend> and if my fixes won't go into a stable environment for another two years anyway, I don't really see the point in putting any effort into it. See where I'm going?
[15:35] <jo-erlend> dobey, not about the low-level C-code.
[15:36] <jo-erlend> you can do it in GTK2, for instance. No problem.
[15:36] <jbicha_> jo-erlend: GTK3 and gobject-introspection are still newish, no one is saying that everything works perfectly yet
[15:36] <jo-erlend> jbicha_, no, but someone is telling me fixes won't go in. That's what I'm talking about.
[15:36] <dobey> well it will never work perfectly. perfection is unattainable :)
[15:36] <dobey> who is telling you fixes won't go in?
[15:36] <jo-erlend> well, you did, didn't you?
[15:37] <dobey> no, i said it is unlikely for the specific change you asked about, to end up in precise
[15:38] <dobey> i didn't say no fixes would ever go in anywhere
[15:38] <dobey> every issue in ubuntu is not a complete travesty. :)
[15:39] <jo-erlend> of course not. But as a development platform, it isn't trustworthy. No sane developer would want to invest in something that might work, and if it doesn't, then it might get fixed two years from now.
[15:40] <dobey> jo-erlend: vala doesn't even claim to be stable yet.
[15:40] <dobey> jo-erlend: don't blame ubuntu for your choice of language not having the APIs you want to use.
[15:41] <dobey> jo-erlend: and please stop overreacting. there are plenty of ways to make your application work.
[15:41] <jbicha_> jo-erlend: would you rather wait 3 years for a new Windows release? or whenever Apple feels like it for a new OS X release?
[15:41] <jo-erlend> "blame"? I'm not talking about blame. I'm talking about becoming better as we learn what the faults are.
[15:41] <dobey> jbicha_: don't forget also assuming that they even know about the issue, and are willing to fix it, ever. :)
[15:41] <jo-erlend> jbicha_, that is actually a very good question. As a developer... I might.
[15:42] <dobey> jo-erlend: if you're willing to wait 3 years, then you can wait 2, no?
[15:42] <jo-erlend> when manuals are wrong and you're told not to blame Ubuntu when you bring it up, then it is a serious issue, I think.
[15:42] <dobey> also, 6 months is not 2 years, so i don't know what you are talking about 2 years for
[15:42] <dobey> what manuasl are wrong?
[15:43] <jo-erlend> dobey, the manual for GTK is wrong.
[15:43] <dobey> and why do you keep changing the point of focus?
[15:43] <jo-erlend> huh?
[15:44] <dobey> first it was webkit 3.0 isn't available from vala, then it was you can't do a custom tree model in python with GIR, then it was not waiting for 2 years for a fix, now it's gtk+ manual is broken
[15:45] <jo-erlend> dobey, I asked you; if I fix the bug with webkit; will I get it into 12.04? No. That means I'll have to wait two more years. That brings up the question about why Ubuntu doesn't fix development bugs if it wants to become an attractive platform for developers.
[15:45] <dobey> jo-erlend: if you want to port your app to vala, why not get it working with gtk2 now?
[15:46] <dobey> jo-erlend: no it doesn't mean you have to wait 2 years. 12.10 will be released in october. if you fix the issue now, it will be included in that release.
[15:46] <jo-erlend> right.
[15:47] <jo-erlend> you don't see the problem at all, do you? :)
[15:47] <dobey> jo-erlend: i also didn't say it wouldn't be included in 12.04 updates. i said it was highly unlikely. there are a lot of variables
[15:47] <dobey> jo-erlend: the only problem i see, is that you are overreacting and actively avoiding any reasonable solution to your problem
[15:47] <jo-erlend> dobey, it is highly unlikely that I'll invest an unknown amount of time fixing something that is unlikely to be of any value to anyone.
[15:49] <jo-erlend> dobey, no, I am not talking about _my_ problem. I am talking about Ubuntus problem. If we don't fix bugs, then people won't trust it. If people doesn't trust it, then people won't invest in it.
[15:49] <jo-erlend> development blockers has to be fixed. And you shouldn't have to replace your operating system in order to do so either.
[15:50] <dobey> *sigh*
[15:50] <jo-erlend> you don't agree?
[15:51] <dobey> you are overreacting and being unreasonable. again.
[15:51] <jo-erlend> it is unreasonable for developers to expect that bugs that prevents them from completing their programs, will get fixed?
[15:54] <dobey> "I need this newer version of this programming language which is part of your older system offering, so you should ship it on your older system." is unreasonable, yes. do you think ubuntu should ship a new gcc version on 12.04, because the one on 12.10 will be newer and have additional options which aren't available on 12.04, just so you can use those options?
[15:55] <jo-erlend> I don't understand the connection there. What does this have to do with new versions of programming languages or compilers?
[15:56] <dobey> because you're assuming the fix is already made in some way which is acceptable to ship on ubuntu 12.04. and positing all of your argumentation based on that assumption.
[15:57] <jo-erlend> I am? I asked because I am going to fix it for my own applications sake, but I wanted to know if there's any chance of getting it into 12.04. From what I read, it's a very minor issue, after all. I mean; we do know that webkit works with GI and GTK3.
[15:58] <dobey> the current webkit-1.0.vapi is shipped as part of vala itself. if a webkit-3.0.vapi is shipped as part of vala, then it will be included in the new vala, which is a new version of an unstable programming language
[15:58] <jo-erlend> the question is whether a provably perfect patch that fixes a bug that prevents people from completing their programs should be fixed in this operating system or not.
[15:58] <jo-erlend> dobey, right. But it doesn't _have_ to be?
[15:59] <dobey> well, ideally the vapi would be generated in the upstream webkit source from the gir which also is generated there
[15:59] <dobey> however, gobject-introspection is itself new, and unstable
[16:02] <jo-erlend> I still don't understand what it is about Vala 0.14 or 0.16 that prevents the vapi to be generated now.
[16:02] <dobey> also, new API is new API, and the platform is api frozen. additional .vapi files would need special exceptions
[16:02] <dobey> jo-erlend: well the GIRs are broken
[16:02] <jo-erlend> dobey, then why does it work in Python?
[16:02] <dobey> jo-erlend: becuase python isn't vala?
[16:03] <dobey> and work is subjective
[16:03] <jo-erlend> dobey, WebKit GIRs?
[16:03] <jo-erlend> I don't understand.
[16:03] <jo-erlend> WebKit works with GTK3 in Python. That is the same library I want to use with Vala, right?
[16:03] <dobey> many GIRs are broken. the WebKit ones are, as well as many of the underlying libraries it depends on
[16:04] <dobey> they might be usable from Python for certain things, sure. but they are by no means complete, 100% correct, or stable.
[16:05] <dobey> and right now, i require lunch.
[16:05] <jo-erlend> right, as you said, Ubuntu isn't perfect. But in Vala, we don't have it at all. It's not a question of not being 100% correct. It's about being 100% absent. And I don't know why it can't be fixed.
[16:08] <jo-erlend> In 12.04, the development cycle QA improved dramatically, but some bugs will never be discovered until after release. If they can't be fixed, then we're in trouble. Specially if the OS in question is an LTS release.
[16:19] <jbicha_> jo-erlend: you understand the difference between fixing a bug and adding a new feature, right?
[16:20] <jo-erlend> jbicha_, not necessarily, no.
[16:21] <jbicha_> simple bug fixes can get into Ubuntu stable releases relatively easily, new features require FFe approval and probably won't happen
[16:22] <jbicha_> some things can show up in -backports, but I believe libraries are bad candidates for that
[16:23] <jo-erlend> jbicha_, but in this case, it's not a library. WebKit is working fine right now, at least as far as I can tell.
[16:24] <jo-erlend> I understand that you have to be cautious. But I don't understand that if you want to stick to an LTS, then you can't get improved development tools.
[16:25] <jo-erlend> particularly when it's minor issues that's causing the blockers.
[16:25] <kenvandine> jo-erlend, yeah, the problem is it isn't necessarily trivial to include the vapi
[16:25] <jo-erlend> kenvandine, that's what I don't understand.
[16:26]  * kenvandine has no idea why it isn't there... dobey problem knows the situation better
[16:26] <kenvandine> but from my understanding the upstream build system doesn't generate it
[16:26] <jo-erlend> "because someone probably hasn't needed it yet", was the explanation in #Vala@gimpnet.
[16:27] <kenvandine> so changing it to do so, might not be trivial...
[16:27] <kenvandine> jo-erlend, right...
[16:27] <kenvandine> but it also means if we added it now, it would be completely untested
[16:27] <jo-erlend> so, Ubuntu app developers has to wait two years, or replace their operating system. That's just not good enough.
[16:27] <kenvandine> and from my experience... newly generated vapis tend to expose more bugs
[16:27] <jo-erlend> kenvandine, it wouldn't be untested if it was tested first.
[16:28] <kenvandine> it isn't like testing an app... it is bindings for the api
[16:28] <kenvandine> anyway, i understand your point that it really sucks not having it in the LTS
[16:28] <kenvandine> but it clearly doesn't mean the guidelines for an SRU
[16:28] <kenvandine> which is sad...
[16:29] <jo-erlend> it's not sad. It's devastating if the goal is to become a viable platform for professional third-party developers.
[16:30] <kenvandine> jo-erlend, assuming vala is really critical for attracting new developers
[16:30]  * kenvandine does like vala...
[16:30] <jo-erlend> I certainly think so.
[16:31] <kenvandine> jo-erlend, basically it isn't because we don't want the vapi there... it is just too late for 12.04 :(
[16:31] <jo-erlend> Vala is the coolest thing I've toyed with for years. Obviously, it's young and there's lots of improvements to be seen. But that's the point; we can't wait two years to see those improvements.
[16:31] <kenvandine> if it got some good testing in a ppa or something, perhaps someone could beg for an SRU in time for a 12.04.1 and make the case for it
[16:42] <dobey> sigh
[16:42] <dobey> jo-erlend: does whatever you're using webkit for, need to embed flash or other plug-ins?
[16:43] <jo-erlend> dobey, I'm not quite sure, actually. Why do you ask?
[16:44] <dobey> jo-erlend: because you can't embed flash in gtk3 webkit anyway, so if you have to embed it then you have to use gtk2
[16:50] <jo-erlend> wow. I didn't know that. I don't use Flash that often. Is anybody compiling a list of these limitations?
[16:52] <dobey> jo-erlend: well, webkit loads the plug-isn internally, and flash uses gtk2, so loading it inside gtk3 results in the conflicting symbols problems
[16:52] <jo-erlend> ah. Ok. That's not easily fixed either.
[16:52] <dobey> jo-erlend: i /think/ that webkit-gtk will use the new webkit stuff for 12.10, which has the plug-ins as separate processes though, so those issues should go away when that switch happens
[16:53] <dobey> but that is also very unlikely to get SRUed to 12.04
[16:53] <jbicha_> jo-erlend: I guess you don't use Epiphany then because it has that Flash problem ;)
[16:53] <jo-erlend> jbicha_, I almost never use Flash at all.
[16:54] <jo-erlend> What about that new thing... Spark?
[16:54] <jbicha_> look for info about webkit2 if you want to learn more about that, the new API is still experimental & incomplete though (it's not enabled for 12.04 either)
[16:57] <jo-erlend> Flash is no big deal to me personally. But if someone thinks they can write a new browser, it might be somewhat interesting :)
[16:59] <jo-erlend> hmm. GTK has a slots-feature, doesn't it? Wonder if it could be used to embed GTK2 things in GTK3?
[17:01] <jo-erlend> sockets.
[17:04] <jo-erlend> I think I'm going to see if that works.
[18:57] <dobey> jo-erlend: yes, you can use plug+socket (XEmbed) api to embed a gtk2 thing from one process into a gtk3 application, but they can't be the same process. this is how the plug-in works already, the problem is that it gets loaded in-process currently. and webkit2 fixes that
[22:49] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Turns out that the version of argyll we have in Precise doesn't support the colorhug. :/
[22:50] <robert_ancell> RAOF, any reason not to update to the latest one?
[22:50] <RAOF> No.  We'll get that one for free in Qantal
[22:50] <RAOF> Oh, no, it'll need a merge.
[22:51] <RAOF> But updating a to a new argyll in precise would be a pretty dicey SRU.
[22:51] <JanC> could go into -backports?
[22:51] <RAOF> Absolutely.  Once Qantal is open, presumably.
[22:52] <robert_ancell> RAOF, we need it in a PPA at least so people can actually calibrate their monitors...
[22:53] <RAOF> robert_ancell: *That* I can easily provide.
[22:53] <robert_ancell> hmm, the versions page has lost track of upstream on that one
[22:54] <TheMuso> Well quantal is now open.
[22:55] <RAOF> Oh, we've apparently (seemingly needlessly) diverged from Debian on argyll since 2010.
[22:55] <RAOF> Well, not initially needlessly; we've got a newer version than Debian had in 2010 :/
[22:56] <RAOF> TheMuso: Ah, the archive bootstrapping has finished?  Great!
[22:56] <TheMuso> According to the ubuntu-devel ML.
[22:57]  * TheMuso groans. More chainsaws going outside, making it hard to think...
[22:57]  * TheMuso hopes he doesn't hear the dreaded mulcher today...
[23:04] <robert_ancell> RAOF, given nothing seems to actually use it perhaps it could be SRUd?
[23:04] <RAOF> Possibly, yeah.
[23:05] <RAOF> We could also try just pulling in the colourhug support patch.


[00:02] <Riddell> mdeslaur: new qt security debdiffs on bug 1259577
[01:36] <mdeslaur> Riddell: awesome, thanks, I'll take a look tomorrow
[05:15] <pitti> Good morning
[08:28] <dholbach> good morning
[08:56] <xnox> is there a way to query all mailing list subscriptions for lists.ubuntu.com of a given email address?
[08:56] <xnox> maybe barry ^
[09:09] <rbasak> xnox: it is possible to change the settings for all subscriptions all at once, if that's what you're after. You can do that from any single control page.
[09:10] <xnox> rbasak: ok, thanks.
[09:57] <tseliot> didrocks: just FYI the new nvidia-prime is trusty
[09:58] <didrocks> tseliot: ok, so we have a mismatch with bbswit*
[09:58] <tseliot> didrocks: mismatch?
[09:59] <didrocks> tseliot: bbswitch needs to be promoted, right?
[09:59] <tseliot> didrocks: yep
[09:59] <tseliot> ok, so that kind of mismatch
[09:59] <didrocks> tseliot: I'll do it once I have a second
[09:59] <didrocks> yep ;)
[09:59] <tseliot> didrocks: ok, thanks a lot :)
[09:59] <didrocks> yw!
[10:14] <didrocks> tseliot: promoted btw :)
[10:14] <tseliot> didrocks: thanks again :)
[10:14] <didrocks> yw!
[10:24] <psivaa> pitti: cjwatson: I remember you were discussing the fix for bug 1256695 in terms of permissions etc..
[10:25] <psivaa> We now have an issue as stated in bug #1258245 impacting the VM provisioning in the smoke tests
[10:25] <psivaa> Would help if you could have a look when you have some time
[10:25] <pitti> psivaa: that doesn't sound like a regression, though?
[10:25] <pitti> the syslog user has never been meant to be in the dialout group
[10:26] <psivaa> pitti: but i guess rsyslogd was not run as syslog in the past? (before the big upgrade of rsyslog in trusty)
[10:26] <pitti> psivaa: ah, right
[10:44] <lifeless> cjwatson: btw, I probably won't be able to follow through and test that grub2 recogniser test; due to running out of space I've had to replace the system with one with more drive bays and migrate everything over
[10:45] <lifeless> cjwatson: I'll see if I can give it a spin before I complete the migration, but keeping home systems up is likely going to take priority
[10:46] <cjwatson> lifeless: which one is that, sorry?
[10:46] <cjwatson> the dmraid striping thing?
[10:48] <lifeless> cjwatson: failing to recognise mdadm when the end of the partition isn't accessible (but none of the needed data is above the 2TB mark)
[10:48] <lifeless> so the layers don't come in and the kernel etc aren't accessible
[10:49] <cjwatson> oh, right, that
[10:50] <lifeless> yeah, 'that' :)
[10:50] <lifeless> aka robert likes finding corner cases
[11:36] <doko> cjwatson, about lockdev. not sure if I should care about a symbols file, hardening defaults, things like cross buildability, if we demote it anyway in the future?
[11:40] <cjwatson> Oh, I didn't see Roger's comment
[11:40] <cjwatson> Yeah, probably not a big deal then
[11:54] <Riddell> tseliot: ping
[11:54] <tseliot> Riddell: pong
[11:54] <Riddell> tseliot: I'm looking at nvidia-persistenced  in New which seems to have been overlooked for over a month, were there problems with it?
[11:55] <Riddell> tseliot: how come it's Section: contrib/x11 ?
[11:55] <Riddell> tseliot: there is a COPYING file which says GPL but all the individual files give an MIT type licence, any idea why?
[11:56] <tseliot> Riddell: not really, I made the changes requested by the review but nobody reviewed it again
[11:56] <tseliot> Riddell: let me check...
[11:59] <tseliot> Riddell: ok, I can fix the licence and the section (it's really a tool as much as nvidia-settings)
[12:00] <Riddell> tseliot: I take it the COPYING file was added by upstream?
[12:01] <tseliot> Riddell: yep https://github.com/NVIDIA/nvidia-persistenced
[12:01] <Riddell> tseliot: stuff in common-utils/ is GPL so I guess you need two blocks in debian/copyright  one for Files: * as GPL  and one for Files: list-each-file  as MIT
[12:02] <Riddell> tseliot: lovely, I'll reject this, fix those and I'll accept
[12:02] <tseliot> Riddell: ok, thanks
[12:03] <tseliot> Riddell: oh, and shall I keep the COPYING file?
[12:03] <Riddell> tseliot: yes it realates to any file which doesn't list itself as MIT I guess
[12:06] <tseliot> Riddell: ok, thanks
[12:27] <doko> pitti, jibel: I hear that the debian buildds use ekeyd-egd-linux for some entropy. not sure if we use it on our buildds. but maybe you want to use it for the autopkgtests, instead of disabling all failing tests ...
[12:28] <pitti> doko: I already tried with haveged, I don't think it's missing entropy; I think it's because the VM doesn't have a fine enough clock resolution to guarantee that 1.000 UUID1 generated in a row are actually unique
[12:28] <pitti> doko: (I wrote some details a few days ago)
[12:30] <doko> ok
[12:35] <doko> zul, your neutron upload waits for a MIR for python-psutil
[12:39] <KoalaYeung> Hello
[12:40] <KoalaYeung> Anybody here  knows how to make an Ubuntu Software Center with an image icon?
[12:44] <infinity> jamespage: Yo.  Two days ago, you mangled libusbx to wiggle build-deps around.  The bug you referenced was bogus.  Can you remember what the actual issue was?
[12:50] <infinity> jamespage: Oh, I'm guessing because older dpkg-buildpackage called "build" instead of "build-arch".  But do you really need to backport libusbx?
[13:01] <jamespage> infinity: sorry - I had to many bug windows open that day
[13:01] <jamespage> infinity: yes that was the issue
[13:02] <infinity> jamespage: So, more to the point, WHY is it an issue?  Why do you care if the source can be backported unmodified to a previous release?
[13:02] <infinity> jamespage: (I'm asking because I just ran into that build-dep being wrong during a bootstrap and it annoyed me :P)
[13:03] <infinity> So, I fixed it, and when I went to document it in the changelog, I realised it was a delta you'd added only two days earlier...
[13:03] <jamespage> infinity: urgh - sorry
[13:03] <xnox> infinity: cloud-archive? but then again why would it be using libusbx....
[13:03] <jamespage> have to duck out for a bit; lets discuss when I get back
[13:03] <jamespage> but yes cloud archive
[13:03] <jamespage> xnox, qemu I suspect
[13:04] <infinity> Surely, cloud archive has modified backports in it.  Trying to support crusty old build tools forever isn't fun.
[13:06] <infinity> Anyhow, I've worked around it locally for now anyway, it's just irritating. :P
[13:34] <zul> doko:  ping python-psutil had a MIR previously but its universe now, i filed a new one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-psutil/+bug/1259928
[13:34] <sergiusens> jamespage, this is just speculation, but I can't seem to build packages that use dh_golang with the latest go
[13:34] <sergiusens> saw you uploaded 1.2
[14:41] <smoser> hey.
[14:41] <mdeslaur> xnox, zul: can one of you please merge samba 4.0.13?
[14:41] <smoser> can someone verify for me  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/euca2ools/3.0.2-1/+build/5321133
[14:41] <smoser> i think that is dependency wait because python-requestbuilder is not in main ?
[14:41] <smoser> in the past i would have thought that would still build and go in and then appear in component-mismatches.
[14:41] <xnox> mdeslaur: please, not me.
[14:41] <mdeslaur> xnox: sure. zul, you're it! :)
[14:42] <xnox> mdeslaur: and did you mean 4.0.13, or 4.1.3?
[14:42] <zul> mdeslaur:  sure
[14:42] <xnox> mdeslaur: zul: there is 4.1.3 in NEW
[14:42] <xnox> zul: mdeslaur: important packaging fixes, I see.
[14:42] <xnox> and CVEs....
[14:43] <cjwatson> smoser: no, in the past it would have done just the same thing
[14:43] <zul> xnox:  ill either get to it today or tomorrow but its on my todo list
[14:43] <xnox> cool.
[14:43] <cjwatson> smoser: you're thinking of run-time dependencies, not build-dependencies
[14:43] <mdeslaur> yeah, I'm good with either 4.1.3 or 4.0.13
[14:43] <smoser> cjwatson, ok. so i need to request MIR for python-requestbuilder ?
[14:43] <mdeslaur> zul: cool, thanks.
[14:43] <cjwatson> smoser: yes
[14:45] <smoser> cjwatson, thanks.
[14:49] <barry> xnox: yes.  looks like rbasak answered your question!
[14:49] <xnox> barry: cheers ;-)
[14:54] <jamespage> infinity: unmodified backports == 0 work; which is why we have been trying to push un-intrusive changes back into trusty; this is probably not one of those - that was my bad
[14:55] <jamespage> sergiusens, hmm - I'd hope not - that was a merge from Debian
[14:55] <jamespage> but its quite possible
[14:55] <jamespage> infinity: I'll revert my delta and hold it in the cloud-archive instead if that makes your life easier
[14:55] <sergiusens> ok, I'll dig into it
[14:59] <jamespage> sergiusens, do you have a build log?
[14:59] <jamespage> for a failuer
[15:02] <seb128> slangasek, cjwatson: bug #1185092 ... should we still do what Steve suggested ("the new libgtksourceview-3.0-common to Conflicts/Replaces libgtksourceview-3.0-0, to hint the upgrade.")?
[15:03] <seb128> e.g is that useful for LTS upgrades, or was that only a saucy thing?
[15:03] <cjwatson> TBH I can't quite remember the differences between within-release upgrades with update-manager and full between-release upgrades
[15:03] <cjwatson> I would default to assuming it's useful across the board
[15:04] <seb128> ok, it doesn't hurt to have it in any case
[15:04] <seb128> I'm going to add that to the upload I'm about to do
[15:04] <cjwatson> ok, thanks
[15:04] <seb128> yw
[15:05] <sergiusens> jamespage, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6556395/
[15:21] <Cimi> seb128, cannot reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/overlay-scrollbar/+bug/1086494
[15:22] <seb128> Cimi, it happens to me 1 every few times I do "gedit something" where something is a document with enough content to scroll
[15:22] <Cimi> ok
[15:22] <Cimi> let me try
[15:22] <seb128> like start/close it in loop for a few times
[15:23] <Cimi> seb128, not happening :-\
[15:23] <seb128> that's a timing thing, it might not happen often for you
[15:23] <Cimi> seb128, ok now after 4th time
[15:23] <Cimi> seb128, thx
[15:23] <seb128> yw
[15:36] <sergiusens> jamespage, just tried to sbuild on sid; same results
[15:44] <Cimi> seb128, I think the patch breaks another thing
[15:44] <Cimi> seb128, if you change overlay mode
[15:44] <seb128> Cimi, like?
[15:45] <Cimi> from overlay-auto to normal
[15:45] <Cimi> in dconf
[15:45] <seb128> oh, I didn't test that
[15:45] <Cimi> the scrollbar does not work anymore
[15:47] <seb128> Cimi, well, you are welcome to find a better fix for the warnings ;-)
[15:58] <Cimi> seb128, that branch does not fix the warning
[16:00] <Cimi> what it does it hiding the widget when the scrollbar mode changes
[16:00] <Cimi> so might have just been good luck
[16:01] <seb128> Cimi, well, I get those warning 15 times a day and I didn't get any in 10 days since I'm running it, so whatever it's doing makes the warning goes away as well
[16:01] <Cimi> seb128, try reverting overlay scrollbars
[16:02] <Cimi> seb128, it does not make sense this branch
[16:02] <seb128> Cimi, well, I did that yesterday and got my command line spammed with warnings again so I reinstalled it
[16:02] <Cimi> no idea why
[16:02] <Cimi> the scrollbar mode does not chsnge
[16:02] <Cimi> this function does not get called
[16:02] <seb128> well, you managed to trigger the warning as well no?
[16:04] <seb128> Cimi, well, it seems it happens at init?
[16:04] <seb128> Cimi, what function?
[16:05] <Cimi> seb128, scrollbar_mode_changed_unload_gfunc
[16:05] <Cimi> seb128, the function touched by the patch
[16:05] <Cimi> seb128, add printf ("hello world");
[16:05] <Cimi> seb128, nothing is printed, the function is not called, it cannot fix the bug
[16:08] <seb128> Cimi,
[16:08] <seb128> ** (gedit:8552): WARNING **: scrollbar_mode_changed_unload_gfunc has been called
[16:08] <seb128> Cimi, it's called (had to try 6 times, it's like the warnings)
[16:09] <Cimi> seb128, not here, weird
[16:09] <seb128> did you get the warnings?
[16:09] <Cimi> might be dconf
[16:09] <Cimi> I get the warning without the print :-\
[16:09] <seb128> I used a g_warning
[16:09] <seb128> let me try a printf
[16:09] <seb128> maybe your code eats stdout?
[16:09] <Cimi> °_°
[16:09] <Cimi> maybe
[16:12] <seb128> Cimi, right, printf doesn't work, g_warning does
[16:12] <Cimi> seb128, ok
[16:12] <Cimi> good
[16:12] <seb128> Cimi, I added both, only the g_warning is displayed
[16:12] <seb128> $ gedit overlay-scrollbar_0.2.16+r359+14.04.20131129-0ubuntu1_i386.build
[16:12] <seb128> ** (gedit:14485): WARNING **: scrollbar_mode_changed_unload_gfunc
[16:12] <seb128> (gedit:14485): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkScrolledWindow 0x8d012a8 is mapped but visible child GtkScrollbar 0x8d03480 is not mapped
[16:13] <seb128> oh
[16:13] <Cimi> seb128, I'll dig into it
[16:13] <seb128> Cimi, shrug, it's me being stupid and not having a \n in the printf
[16:13] <seb128> Cimi, your fault for giving me a line to copy without it as well
[16:14] <Cimi> ahah
[16:14] <Cimi> seb128, qml does not need \n
[16:14] <Cimi> seb128, I forgot all that
[16:14] <seb128> g_warning neither
[16:14] <Cimi> my fault
[16:14] <seb128> ;-)
[16:19] <seb128> Cimi, if you do "com.canonical.desktop.interface scrollbar-mode" this function is called/the warnings are displayed
[16:19] <seb128> ups
[16:19] <seb128> Cimi, $  gsettings reset com.canonical.desktop.interface scrollbar-mode
[16:19] <seb128> Cimi, that's an easy way to trigger it
[16:19] <seb128> it might make debugging easier
[16:20] <Cimi> seb128, it does
[16:20] <seb128> Cimi, gdb says scrollbar_mode_changed_cb calls it
[16:21] <Cimi> seb128, yep got that
[16:57] <Cimi> seb128, I think we should maintain another list with scrollbars that need to be set visible true or false
[16:57] <seb128> Cimi, list of what?
[16:57] <Cimi> seb128, we cannot call hide() like in the branch
[16:57] <Cimi> seb128, we need to keep track
[16:57] <seb128> of what?
[16:58] <Cimi> if you see lars branch
[16:58] <seb128> well, I don't know what that code is doing
[16:58] <Cimi> ok
[16:58] <seb128> but I trust you to find a solution ;-)
[17:49] <Cimi> seb128, ok I'll tell lars tomorrow, I forgot a little of those C stuff data types :)
[17:49] <Cimi> seb128, but I knw how to fix it
[17:52] <seb128> Cimi, great, thanks
[17:53] <seb128> Cimi, btw gtk 3.10 landed to trusty, we might need some theme tweak/the hack from larsu on https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/dont-set-all-bgs/+merge/197234 to be merged in
[17:53] <seb128> Cimi, without that stuff like infobar (e.g trash location in nautilus) don't have a background (or right click on an icon in nautilus)
[19:28] <Noskcaj> Can someone take a look at https://code.google.com/p/prpltwtr/issues/detail?id=88 and tell he how much more work needs doing for this to be release worthy in ubuntu?
[19:29] <xnox> Noskcaj: what do you mean by "release worthy" ?
[19:30] <Noskcaj> xnox, We could include it, since we used to have pidgin-microblogger, but a twitter update killed it
[19:31] <xnox> Noskcaj: as far as I can see that library is not packaged at all https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=prpltwtr and if it's broken well no point in re-introducing it.
[19:31] <xnox> Noskcaj: pidgin is not default in most flavours, and furthermore most have other default microblogging clients.
[19:32] <Noskcaj> xnox, I would package it as a replacement, even if just in the archives, it would be nice to have a working version
[19:32] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:32] <xnox> Noskcaj: if you want to package / maintain it, please do it via Debian ITP
[19:32] <Noskcaj> of course
[19:32] <xnox> Noskcaj: then why do you ask here?! =)
[19:33]  * xnox is still confused by "release worthy" =)))))) but meh, if it's auto-synced it's auto-synced.
[19:33] <slangasek> Laney: harfbuzz> I know this problem is actually courtesy of Debian, and not your merge, but please take care that libraries in Ubuntu that rename without changing the soname use Conflicts, not unversioned Breaks (which are wrong)
[19:33] <Noskcaj> to see what would be needed to include it on the cd, like pidgin-microblogger was for my flavors
[19:34] <slangasek> Laney: update-manager can't automatically figure out what to do with such a lib... and I see this happening several times a cycle.  I'm not picking on you, just trying to spread the word bit by bit :)
[19:35] <dobey> Noskcaj: i guess you'd need to get pidgin back on the cd first :)
[19:35] <Noskcaj> dobey, I wasn't sure if ubuntu still had it, i know other flavors still do
[19:38] <xnox> Noskcaj: to be included on the cds, it needs to be available in the archive first. otherwise it's a very hypothetical discussion =)
[19:39] <xnox> Noskcaj: $ seeded-in-ubuntu pidgin
[19:40] <xnox> Noskcaj: says that pidgin is on lubuntu, ubuntustudio and xubuntu.
[20:48] <bdmurray> @pilot in
[21:25] <infinity> jamespage: I've reverted it for you. :)
[21:25] <jamespage> infinity: thankyou!
[21:25]  * jamespage goes to make a branch
[21:26] <infinity> jamespage: Is the cloud archive for precise going to keep being updated for the full 5y LTS, or is the plan to move focus entirely to 14.04 (except for security fixes, of course) once it's out?
[21:26] <jamespage> infinity: this one is the last one for 12.04
[21:27] <infinity> jamespage: Cause if the latter, I guess this isn't a problem you need to worry about much longer.
[21:27] <jamespage> its gets support until the end of 12.04 (by virtue of being based on the same packages that are in 14.04)
[21:28] <jamespage> for u-series we start the dance all over again for 14.04
[21:37] <infinity> jamespage: Right, but at least 14.04's dpkg has the arch/indep split sorted out, so no one will be moving BDI to BD to "fix" things. ;)
[21:54] <hallyn_> infinity: mvo: hi, do you guys know how sandbox-upgrader is being used (if it all) these days?
[21:56] <infinity> hallyn_: No idea.
[21:58] <hallyn_> hm
[21:59] <hallyn_> it has no rdeps...
[21:59] <hallyn_> kirkland: soren: ^ do you know where sandbox-ugprader may be in use?
[21:59] <hallyn_> guess i should jsut wait for mvo :)
[22:02] <bdmurray> hallyn_: you might ask jibel as he is looking at auto upgrade testing
[22:06] <hallyn_> rbasak: could you look at auto-upgrade-tester and sandbox-upgrader - there should be no reason why they couldn't switch from vmbuilder to your uvt right?
[22:06] <hallyn_> jibel: (please ping me if you do in fact use sandbox-upgrader or auto-upgrade-testing)
[22:15] <kirkland> hallyn_: I've never heard of it
[23:38] <xnox> Laney: looks like unity7 ftbfs with new gtk? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/159516409/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.unity_7.1.2%2B14.04.20131106.1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[23:38] <xnox> or is this already being looked at.
[23:38] <xnox> ?