[01:51] <Treenaks> but on which day is this all?
[01:52] <bob2> saturday dec 11
[01:52] <Treenaks> (26 Nov) A conference schedule will be posted soon.
[01:52] <jordi> Treenaks: first Saturday.
[01:52] <Rene_S> Is there away to add the menu items that appear in the computer section of the panel to show up under just the gnome footprint menu ?
[01:52] <bob2> Rene_S: no
[01:52] <Rene_S> bleh
[01:52] <Treenaks> jordi: hm.. I'm there from 5-10.. just gone on 11
[01:52] <jordi> oh well
[01:52] <bob2> 11th is "jordi shows us around barcelona" day, afaik :-)
[01:53] <Treenaks> wasn't it pygtk day as well?
[01:53] <fabbione> hey jordi
[01:53] <Rene_S> Oh well, I can make space by making the window list smaller then
[01:53] <fabbione> jordi: que pasa?
[01:54] <silbs> the schedule is still being worked on. Sorry for the delay - working on getting it posted asap.
[01:54] <silbs> mega pygtk bof is scheduled for over the weekend.
[01:55] <silbs> there is a schedule for the 11th on the wiki, but that is a special case. Schedule for other days coming
[01:55] <silbs> I believe jdub is supposed to be putting it online
[01:57] <silbs> jordi: I have you down for the 5th to the 14th - is that approx correct?
[01:57] <jordi> silbs: that's exact.
[01:58] <jordi> hi, jane, fabio
[01:59] <jordi> bob2: well, I could show you guys some places around Barcelona.  I live there
[02:03] <jordi> I mean.
[02:04] <jordi> What do Argentinians speak? Argentinian, or Spanish?
[02:04] <nevyn> king_arthur: I just did 12 years of school italian ;)
[02:04] <nevyn> and lived with a bunch of italian tobacco farmers.
[02:04] <daniels> jordi: well, not Catalan
[02:04] <king_arthur> nevyn: but have lived a few years downunder as well
[02:04] <jordi> Does anyone doubt it's Spanish? Well, Valencian and Catalan is the same case. There are some words that vary between Catalan and Valencian, that's all.
[02:05] <king_arthur> nevyn: my Italian landlord spoke about the same level of Italian and English.. :-)
[02:05] <nevyn> jordi: but dialects are a tricky business.. a quite innocuous statement can become something completely different
[02:05] <stvn> king_arthur: italish?
[02:06] <king_arthur> nevyn: same as my spanish friends did.. spanglish.. :-)
[02:06] <stvn> :)
[02:06] <nevyn> all the italian kids cracked the shits.. cause they had to work in yr12 italian.
[02:06] <nevyn> cause what they spoke at home didn't cut it.
[02:07] <jordi> nevyn: well, I tell you it's not the case in Catalan/Valencian. There are cases where totally normal words in Spanish (Castilla) are quite funny in Argentina.
[02:07] <king_arthur> nevyn: I know but this is all a bit O.T.
[02:08] <jordi> Our word for "shell" (animal shell) is "concha". In Argentina, that means pussy. So what, still same language.
[02:08] <jdub> haha
[02:08] <stvn> hehe
[02:08] <king_arthur> just insatlling Warty right now on a x586
[02:08] <jdub> thanks jordi, that'll come in handy
[02:08] <nevyn> see is there a creature in that shell takes on an ENTIRELY different meaning ;)
[02:08] <stvn> jordi: what I learned from spanish friends was that every spanish word had a second meaning ;)
[02:08] <daniels> anyway, offtopic!
[02:09] <jordi> stvn: yeah. EOD on my part :)
[02:09] <king_arthur> question any of you guys using a double display setup?
[02:09] <nevyn> yes yes it is but fun.
[02:09] <Ycros> king_arthur, I am
[02:09] <nevyn> stop now.
[02:09] <jordi> or daniels might get angry! And you guys should fear an angry little daniel.
[02:09] <stvn> :)
[02:09] <king_arthur> Ycros: was it difficult to setup?
[02:10] <king_arthur> it didn't work for me
[02:10] <Ycros> mmm, twinview didn't work for me (nvidia card)
[02:10] <stvn> daniels: btw I've traced my tv-out problem to wrong cables, so I don't know yet if your radeon driver works, need to fetch new cables
[02:10] <Ycros> I'm running two separate screens
[02:10] <king_arthur> I have pulled out one card and starting again
[02:10] <Ycros> without xinerama extensions
[02:10] <Ycros> I've never managed to get it working with two separate cards
[02:10] <daniels> stvn: oh, heh :)
[02:10] <king_arthur> new installation takes about 3/4 hours :-(
[02:10] <jordi> jdub: "coger" is a word you use dozens of times every day (to pick up, etc). It means "fuck" in Argentina. :P
[02:11] <Ycros> I once had it at the stage where I could switch between both cards, but not have them run simultaneously
[02:11] <king_arthur> Ycros: It should be possible, in theory
[02:11] <Ycros> yes, people have done it
[02:11] <Ycros> what cards are you doing it with?
[02:12] <king_arthur> Ycros: is there a irc channel for xfree to the best of your knowledge?
[02:12] <Ycros> never been in one
[02:12] <Ycros> it's probably a scary place. (:
[02:12] <king_arthur> Ycros: one is SiS and one is Trident
[02:12] <king_arthur> I agree
[02:13] <king_arthur> setting up xfree on my first install 2 years agoo took me about 15 days... :-(
[02:14] <king_arthur> Ycros: question: how comes so many ausies online here?
[02:14] <Ycros> I don't know, I don't keep count
[02:14] <bob2> because we're awesome
[02:14] <jdub> king_arthur: debian is very popular in australia
[02:14] <king_arthur> Ycros: makes more sense here in Europe but you have nice weather downunder
[02:14] <jdub> king_arthur: secretly, we want to be spanish
[02:14] <Ycros> clearly it's jdub's charisma ;)
[02:14] <bob2> among technical users, at least
[02:15] <king_arthur> so anybody knows about a xfree irc channel?
[02:16] <king_arthur> scary question? 8)
[02:16] <hans_wurst> king_arthur: try the knoppix-trick to setup your xserver
[02:16] <king_arthur> what's that?
[02:17] <king_arthur> I know knoppix of course
[02:17] <bob2> #xfree86 (haha)
[02:17] <hans_wurst> does x-server work with knoppix?
[02:18] <king_arthur> bob2: there is a xfree channel, I just joined in
[02:18] <bob2> yes, I know
[02:19] <king_arthur> bob2: very quite in there
[02:19] <bob2> yeah, xfree86 is dead
[02:19] <daniels> try #xorg
[02:20] <king_arthur> bob2: so the future is x.org?
[02:20] <bob2> yes
[02:20] <bob2> it has more XIZZLE
[02:20] <king_arthur> bob2: i had a shot at it with hoary but went back to xfree
[02:20] <nevyn> nah it doesn't.
[02:21] <nevyn> xizzle is dead.
[02:21] <king_arthur> what's XIZZLE
[02:21] <king_arthur> ?
[02:21] <Treenaks> Fo'shizzle!
[02:21] <Matt|> xizzle is the word
[02:22] <king_arthur> hans_wurst: anyway what's the knoppix-trick thing again?
[02:23] <king_arthur> hans_wurst: jut cecking it under knoppix is that what you ment?
[02:24] <king_arthur> just one simple/tricky question about xfree86 setup
[02:25] <rapha> He doods, I got a package from overseas, and guessy what is in there!
[02:25] <king_arthur> the addres PCI 00:00:00 to put in config file is decial or HEX?
[02:26] <Treenaks> king_arthur: deciwhat? :P
[02:26] <king_arthur> for instance if I get lspci 0000:00:13:00 is that what to type into the config file?
[02:26] <Treenaks> king_arthur: yes
[02:26] <Matt|> rapha, drugs?
[02:26] <nevyn> rapha: cd's?
[02:26] <Matt|> damn
[02:26] <rapha> Now the next thing we need is free Ubuntu CDs with German cover texts...
[02:26] <Matt|> so close
[02:26] <rapha> nevyn: EXACTLY!
[02:26] <rapha> Thanks a heap Canonical!
[02:27] <Treenaks> rapha: and Dutch.. and Italian.. and Spanish.. etc.
[02:27] <nevyn> rapha: how many?
[02:27] <nevyn> pressed cd's good.
[02:27] <Matt|> perhaps I'll order some cds, it might be cool to distribute them to people randomly
[02:27] <king_arthur> Treenaks: if I do so x fails and replys "no screen found"
[02:27] <rapha> I'm herewith volunteering to organize Ubuntu CDs with German cover texts if Canonical wishes so.
[02:27] <bob2> nevyn: did you order cds?
[02:27] <nevyn> I wonder if cannonical's actions will inspire rh to do the same for fedora. given the media issues they've had...
[02:27] <nevyn> bob2: yep.
[02:27] <bob2> nevyn: did they arrive yet?
[02:27] <nevyn> bob2: 100
[02:27] <nevyn> no
[02:27] <bob2> ah
[02:27] <king_arthur> any Italian help needed? I am willing to volunteer
[02:28] <rapha> nevyn: 25, as ordered
[02:28] <bob2> I have a ton coming and I won't be there to get them
[02:28] <nevyn> bob2: where?
[02:28] <rapha> bob2: A ton?
[02:28] <bob2> nevyn: coming to my house
[02:28] <rapha> How many CDs is that, a ton?
[02:28] <Matt|> king_arthur, you can start by idling in #ubuntu-it
[02:28] <Keybuk> bob2: how many did you order?
[02:28] <bob2> Keybuk: 300
[02:28] <Matt|> a ton is 100
[02:28] <bob2> rapha: heh, I mean "lots"
[02:28] <Matt|> oh
[02:28] <nevyn> bob2: there were customs issues with the orders over 1000.
[02:28] <Keybuk> bob2: that's not a ton, is just a reasonable box-size
[02:29] <rapha> bob2: Okay :)
[02:29] <king_arthur> Matt|: #ubuntu-it
[02:29] <Matt|> *laughs*
[02:29] <nevyn> bob2: that's not a tonne.. there were people who did order 1000+
[02:29] <bob2> Keybuk: www.dictionary.org/hyperbole
[02:29] <Matt|> king_arthur, yes
[02:29] <rapha> Matt|: #ubuntu-de is pretty quiet, unfortunately.
[02:30] <king_arthur> Matt|: I see it's on and some people there
[02:30] <Matt|> beh so it -it but occasionally people come in for support that don't speak english
[02:31] <bob2> hah, that would seem to somewhat defeat the point of the livecd
[02:31] <rapha> bob2: Well, I already got Ubuntu installed for real.
[02:31] <bob2> hah, righ
[02:31] <rapha> These CDs are all meant for other people. I'll only keep one for myself to be able to show it to my grandchildren :)
[02:32] <rapha> "See, this is how we started taking on the world of Windows"
[02:32] <smo> I love that livecd .. quite a marketting move.  I keep a slightly modified version at work.  whenever the machines act up, I just go and remove windows from the equation.  now Mr Boss is seriously considering make it a permenant move
[02:33] <rapha> Lol
[02:35] <smo> which reminds me, has anyone had any luck getting the cloop module to build on ubuntu's stock kernel?  It's quite a pain to have to boot into the livecd to use it
[02:35] <Treenaks> smo: you want dm-crypt, not cloop
[02:35] <Treenaks> smo: (if cloop = cryptoloop)
[02:35] <ica> hey guys, how can i configure ubuntu to use a proxy, globally, for all users (i.e, with a file, not with the gnome network proxy program)
[02:36] <smo> Treenaks: Will that work as a drop-in replacement for the livecd's filesystems?
[02:36] <Treenaks> ica: add 'http_proxy=http://your.proxy.server:port/ to /etc/environment
[02:36] <Treenaks> smo: don't know
[02:36] <ica> Treenaks, thanks
[02:36] <smo> well, it's google-fodder atleast, thanks
[02:36] <rapha> A SPLASH SCREEN!!!
[02:37] <king_arthur> Matt|: back here
[02:37] <rapha> Are these HOARY CDs???
[02:37] <Matt|> hi
[02:37] <Treenaks> ica: also, you might want to set the gnome proxy settings as default using gconftool
[02:37] <Treenaks> rapha: no, live CDs
[02:37] <Matt|> rapha, a grub splash screen? or boot screen?
[02:38] <ica> Treenaks, which string do i need to search in gconftool?
[02:38] <rapha> And a dang pretty boot screen too, if I may says so.
[02:38] <rapha> Matt|: boot screen. And there was a graphical grub screen as well, of course.
[02:38] <NOCD> hi
[02:38] <Treenaks> ica: there's a howto.. let me search
[02:38] <Matt|> kewl
[02:38] <Matt|> rapha, is that gnoppix?
[02:39] <rapha> Matt|: Nope, Ubuntu
[02:39] <ica> Treenaks, i have a system/http_proxy already set in gconftool (because i used network proxy tool in gnome probably)
[02:39] <Matt|> is the ubuntu live cd similar to gnoppix?
[02:39] <rapha> Treenaks: then hopefully hoary will have this same bootscreen in the installed version?
[02:39] <Treenaks> ica: yes, you have to set that manually, as roto
[02:39] <smo> as I read it, they're one in the same now  (gnoppix's latest release was warty, and they give @canonical.com as their contact info)
[02:39] <Treenaks> ica: as root even..
[02:39] <NOCD> if no cd rom is detected by ubuntu install, what ca i do?
[02:39] <Treenaks> ica: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/ch01.html
[02:40] <Treenaks> ica: like this: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/ch01s06.html#gconf-10
[02:40] <rapha> Matt|: Similar... well, urm, you pop it in and it boots. Like all Live CDs do, nope?
[02:40] <Matt|> rapha, sure but I read on the gnoppix website that it is based on ubuntu, so I assumed they would be the same
[02:40] <rapha> Only thing that could be slightly confusing is that it's showing "ramdisk" on the desktop.
[02:40] <ica> thanks
[02:41] <rapha> Matt|: The Ubuntu Live CD is based on Gnoppix (as I hear) which in turn is based on Knoppix, which is based on Debian.
[02:41] <jdub> gnoppix is now based on ubuntu :)
[02:41] <jdub> ubuntu live cd is built with morphix
[02:41] <Matt|> rapha, other way round i believe
[02:42] <Matt|> ah thanks jdub
[02:42] <rapha> Okay, sorry for the non-information then.
[02:44] <rapha> jdub: When I ordered those CDs I didn't know so many Windows users around here were interested in Ubuntu, so I only ordered 25. Will there be such a CD ordering programme for Hoary again?
[02:44] <jdub> yeah
[02:44] <rapha> Cool
[02:46] <rapha> Hey, that reminds me -- when can we buy Ubuntu T-Shirts? :-)
[02:46] <jdub> you can on cafepress
[02:46] <Treenaks> jdub: cafepress t-shirts aren't ubuntu-brown.. they're white
[02:46] <jdub> yeah
[02:47] <jdub> we'll have other stuff going too, soon enough
[02:47] <rjek> OK.  I give up.  How do you stop windows from obscuring the panel when you maximise them in hoary?
[02:47] <rjek> And where are the panel's options?
[02:47] <Treenaks> I want an ubuntu-lightbrown ubuntu shirt :)
[02:47] <rapha> rjek: gconf-editor
[02:47] <rjek> Fantastic.
[02:47] <Treenaks> rapha: don't run xcompmgr :)
[02:47] <jdub> rjek: are you running xcompmgr?
[02:47] <rjek> jdub: Nope.
[02:47] <jdub> shouldn't happen then
[02:47] <jdub> killall metacity
[02:48] <rjek> Aha, that appears to do the trick.
[02:50] <rapha> Oh, and do you Ubuntu guys think it'd be possible to include XFCE, AbiWord and Gnumeric on the CD (not install, just include), so that you don't have to bring a second CD when you're installing Ubuntu on older hardware w/o internet access or only 56k?
[02:51] <daniels> rapha: the CD is dangerously close to full as is
[02:51] <rapha> Oh.
[02:52] <rapha> Then maybe sell a Ubuntu DVD with as much of main, universe, multiverse and whatever other repositories as fits on it?
[02:52] <rapha> But then... older hardware doesn't have DVD players
[02:52] <kensai> I hoped to see XFCE4.2 RC1 in Hoary since it is unstable but I'm stuck with the stable 4.0 :(
[02:53] <RomPres> Hi.  I finally decided to install ubuntu on my G4 Mac after experimenting with it on an older G4 and loving it.
[02:53] <RomPres> But...
[02:53] <rapha> kensai: There's this real excellent XFCE 4.2 RC1 installer. Just a few mouse clicks and it'll install it for you.
[02:53] <rapha> kensai: Just look on the XFCE page.
[02:53] <kensai> rapha, where I can find it have any direct link?
[02:53] <rapha> second
[02:53] <RomPres> The installer runs, and when it goes to load drivers while polling for CD-ROM drives, I get an error:  "Error while running 'modprobe -v aic7xxx'"
[02:54] <RomPres> I have an option to continue, but when I do, the installer just hangs.
[02:54] <RomPres> I have a SCSI card installed with a 9GB drive I'll be wanting to use as my boot volume.
[02:54] <RomPres> Any ideas?  Googling on the error indicates at least one other person has had this trouble with a debian installation.
[02:55] <RomPres> But that was oddly related to his network card.
[02:56] <rapha> kensai: With goodies or without goodies
[02:56] <rapha> s//?
[02:56] <Treenaks> scred2: goodie?
[02:56] <rapha> kensai: http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=43 <-- XFCE
[02:57] <rapha> kensai: http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=44 <-- Goodies
[02:57] <kent> RomPres, you could try to remove your networkcard and see if it remains?
[02:57] <rapha> http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=45 <-- GTK + Engine
[02:57] <rapha> Oh wait, I got 44 and 45 twisted
[02:57] <kensai> rapha, thanks
[02:58] <rapha> np
[03:02] <RomPres> It's not a network card, it's a SCSI card.
[03:03] <RomPres> I removed the SCSI card and the installer continues just fine.
[03:03] <RomPres> Which sucks.
[03:03] <Treenaks> RomPres: try removing another PCI device. or moving the SCSI one around
[03:03] <RomPres> Because YDL used to work with this card just fine.
[03:03] <RomPres> I'll try that.
[03:03] <Treenaks> ydl? it's a mac?
[03:03] <RomPres> I don't want to use YDL anymore!
[03:03] <RomPres> Yes it's a Mac.
[03:03] <Treenaks> ah! important piece of info :)
[03:03] <RomPres> I believe I stated that at the beginning...
[03:04] <RomPres> [08:53]  <RomPres> Hi.  I finally decided to install ubuntu on my G4 Mac after experimenting with it on an older G4 and loving it.
[03:06] <RomPres> Damn.  Same crap.
[03:06] <RomPres> *sigh*
[03:06] <RomPres> I guess I'll have to deal with an IDE drive.
[03:06] <eruin> I just managed getting my pants wet from the knees down
[03:17] <Matt|> eruin, bit more information than necessary
[03:17] <Lowry> later
[03:26] <pastyhermit> I added my JDK to the path statement in /etc/profile but it is not taking effect
[03:26] <pastyhermit> where else does it need to be added?
[03:26] <Treenaks> pastyhermit: have you logged in again?
[03:26] <Treenaks> pastyhermit: /etc/profile is only parsed on login
[03:26] <pastyhermit> bleh
[03:27] <pastyhermit> alright
[03:27] <pastyhermit> bbias
[03:27] <granlatigo> hi
[03:28] <dad> hi from japan
[03:29] <pastyhermit> no soup
[03:29] <pastyhermit> didnt work
[03:29] <granlatigo> I have a problem when I type user&passsord in gdm splash screen, after that the screen ask me again for user&pass
[03:29] <scoon> pastyhermit: i put a source /etc/profile in my ~/.bashrc
[03:29] <dad> anyone using a G4 tower?
[03:29] <Treenaks> granlatigo: you might be entering it wrong..
[03:29] <granlatigo> does anyone knows what`s going on?
[03:29] <Treenaks> granlatigo: it's case-sensitive
[03:29] <granlatigo> no..
[03:29] <Treenaks> granlatigo: so check your caps-lock key, and if you are typing the right password
[03:30] <granlatigo> it's ok,
[03:30] <pastyhermit> dad,  heh I wish :D
[03:30] <Treenaks> granlatigo: does it "log in", and then come back
[03:30] <dad> hehe pasty
[03:30] <pastyhermit> got an ibook
[03:30] <granlatigo> yep
[03:30] <Treenaks> granlatigo: or does it just ask for the password again directly?
[03:30] <Kamion> granlatigo: check that the keymap is what you expect; type some of the characters from your password into the username field so that you can see them, and make sure they're right
[03:30] <dad> good for you  does ubuntu run ok?
[03:31] <granlatigo> Treenaks, it looks like if it where to load the desktop, but after a blank screen it ask me again user&pass
[03:31] <pastyhermit> yes it runs rather well
[03:31] <pastyhermit> except for the evil broadcomm corporattion my wireless doesnt work nativly
[03:31] <Treenaks> granlatigo: did you do anything special?
[03:31] <pastyhermit> but other than that its phenominally well done
[03:31] <kensai> I can't even follow it when it is running
[03:31] <granlatigo> mm
[03:31] <Treenaks> granlatigo: (break off an install, upgrade, anything)
[03:31] <restrex> me llegaron recien los cds de ubuntu
[03:31] <restrex> !!!!!!!!!!!
[03:32] <granlatigo> i tryed to install lilo
[03:32] <restrex> :D:D:D:D:D:D
[03:32] <dad> ah yes thats the only thing keeping me from sticking on al pb
[03:32] <kensai> restrex, good for you man
[03:32] <granlatigo> restrex, yo espero aun en Canarias
[03:32] <restrex> :D:D:D:D i'm so happy ubuntu rocks
[03:32] <restrex> :D:D:D:D
[03:32] <Treenaks> granlatigo: don't do that :)
[03:32] <kensai> granlatigo, I'm waitning for the cds here in Puerto Rico
[03:32] <granlatigo> jajajajaa
[03:32] <pastyhermit> dad, I got a dwl-122, so I do have wireless
[03:32] <Treenaks> granlatigo: and log in on the console, and check your .xsession-errors for messages
[03:32] <dad> no sound on the tower cds wont play and the nvidia drivers are awful  apart from that its nice
[03:33] <pastyhermit> but you will have to do some tinkering to get it to work
[03:33] <granlatigo> kensai, here in gran n
[03:33] <pastyhermit> particularly install the wlan-ng drivers
[03:33] <granlatigo> kensai, here in gran canaria there is a place called puerto rico
[03:33] <granlatigo> Treenaks, there i go
[03:33] <dad> hmm i have an airport extreme in the pb ,,,grrr
[03:33] <kensai> granlatigo, LOL but I'm on Puerto Rico the island
[03:33] <pastyhermit> dad, I know
[03:34] <pastyhermit> its the evil broadcomm corporation
[03:34] <pastyhermit> same problem with my Dell
[03:34] <granlatigo> kensai, i suppose
[03:34] <dad> yep i signed the petition
[03:34] <granlatigo> lol
[03:34] <dad> now that;ll change things a bit !  not
[03:35] <dad> pity no sound  cant really make a fair comparison with osx
[03:35] <pastyhermit> I say we DDOS em lol
[03:35] <pastyhermit> no just kidding
[03:35] <pastyhermit> it really pisses me off though
[03:35] <pastyhermit> I dont want to be stuck runing win-doze
[03:35] <pastyhermit> its for the "close" minded
[03:35] <dad> yeah still  wait a year or so mb lol
[03:36] <dad> well if noone has any suggestions for sound better get googling i guess
[03:36] <granlatigo> Treenaks, (gnome-terminal:3950): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[03:36] <granlatigo> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specifie
[03:36] <granlatigo> Destroying .si
[03:36] <granlatigo> The application 'Gecko' lost its connection to the display :0.0;
[03:36] <granlatigo> most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed
[03:36] <granlatigo> the application.
[03:37] <RomPres> I have a G4 tower...
[03:38] <pastyhermit> dad, sorry, mine just worked
[03:38] <dad> hi Rompres any sound?
[03:38] <RomPres> Ubuntu runs fantastically on an original G4 I installed it on.  But I'm having trouble instaiing it on my "production" box which has an Adaptec SCSI card in it.
[03:38] <RomPres> Yep.  Sound works, though it seems rather LOW.  But I don't have external speakers connected.
[03:38] <dad> to be specific my I can get the pc speaker to work but not my usb soundsticks
[03:38] <RomPres> Oh....I don't have soundsticks.
[03:38] <kapputu> dad what are you doing here!!!
[03:39] <dad> ?
[03:39] <kapputu> :-p
[03:39] <pastyhermit> grr
[03:39] <pastyhermit> stupid ubuntu
[03:39] <pastyhermit> I cant get eclipse to fire from my gui
[03:39] <kapputu> what did it do?
[03:39] <dad> its bloody interesting lol
[03:39] <kapputu> why not?
[03:39] <dad> rythmbox grr how do i start this thing?
[03:40] <pastyhermit> path statements are being a pain and when I launch it it says it cant find startup.jar wich is in the same dir I am launcing it from!
[03:40] <dad> hehe
[03:40] <dad> my mrs has jars in the kitchen
[03:41] <pastyhermit> dad, java programming .jar files are byte code archives
[03:41] <dad> cool sorry its hard for me  i tunred 69 the other day and this technology is just giving me a real thrashing lol
[03:41] <Treenaks> jar files are zip files with a java taste
[03:42] <pastyhermit> dad, you serious dude
[03:42] <pastyhermit> thats awesome!
[03:42] <kapputu> tar files to be exact
[03:42] <dad> what is ?
[03:42] <kapputu> jar files
[03:42] <pastyhermit> that fact that your 69 and you run leenux :D
[03:42] <kapputu> tar is tape archive
[03:42] <dad> well i wouldnt say run exactly hehe
[03:43] <Treenaks> kapputu: no, jar files are zip files.. not blessed tars
[03:43] <dad> is there an age limit on linux or something?
[03:43] <kapputu> hmm you could say that but if you look at the jar program it supports exactly the same options as tar
[03:44] <kapputu> yeah strictly 1-140
[03:44] <pastyhermit> dad, nope Im just happy cause my mom cant even do windows :D
[03:44] <dad> hehe
[03:44] <pastyhermit> and she swears at me when it "doesnt work"
[03:45] <pastyhermit> or she "cant find the address bar"
[03:45] <dad> i have the same problem supporting my father in Oz hes on xp and hes 93
[03:46] <Treenaks> dad: get him on ubuntu as well :)
[03:46] <dad> he started puters when he was 91 lol
[03:46] <kapputu> lol
[03:46] <dad> haha yeah grrrr good idea
[03:46] <kapputu> he'll live longer if he uses Ubuntu
[03:47] <Treenaks> kapputu: "Ubuntu: Recommended by your MD"?
[03:47] <kapputu> all the banging on the head he has to do if he uses windows will be saved
[03:47] <dad> yeah hed give up the puter and exercise a lot more
[03:47] <pastyhermit> kapputu, yeah hehehe
[03:47] <kapputu> Ubuntu :- A longer and better life ... - I can imagine an ad like this on TV in a few years
[03:48] <pastyhermit> if he cant figure out the path statement anyone cant lol
[03:48] <dad> well better google usb audio sigh thanks guys have fun
[03:48] <kapputu> Ask your local doctor now.. if he doesn't know , make him use Ubuntu
[03:48] <dad> night
[03:48] <Treenaks> dad: oh usb audio should work
[03:48] <kapputu> bye
[03:48] <Treenaks> dad: what's the problem?
[03:49] <dad> I saw the modules but cant route from internal speaker to soundsticks
[03:49] <dad> only thing stopping me really enjoying ubuntu
[03:49] <dad> no Frank Sinatra while I scratch my head
[03:49] <Treenaks> dad: so you want to use the external speakers instead of the built-in ones
[03:49] <dad> yes
[03:49] <Treenaks> dad: uh.. let me think :)
[03:49] <dad> hehe appreciated
[03:50] <Treenaks> it has to do with forcing the order of loading the drivers I think
[03:50] <dad> sounds reasonable
[03:50] <pastyhermit> dad usb audio?
[03:50] <Treenaks> pastyhermit: yes
[03:50] <Treenaks> dad: open a terminal
[03:50] <dad> ok
[03:51] <Treenaks> dad: then type "lsmod | grep snd" (without the "")
[03:51] <Treenaks> dad: and paste the output to www.pastebin.com
[03:51] <rapha> Cool, I just finished The Day Of The Tentacle the first time in my life.
[03:51] <dad> ok done
[03:52] <dad> umm how ? sorry
[03:52] <Treenaks> dad: you know how to copy/paste?
[03:52] <dad> hehe yeah
[03:52] <Treenaks> dad: well, copy the output in the terminal to the web form on www.pastebin.com and click "send"
[03:53] <Treenaks> dad: so we can read it :)
[03:53] <dad> oh  okies lemme see browser...umm
[03:53] <sparehead1> thats awwsome!
[03:53] <Treenaks> sparehead1: what is?
[03:54] <dad> done
[03:54] <sparehead1> www.pastebin.com thats gota make trouble shooting for you guys a whole lot easier
[03:54] <Treenaks> dad: ok, now in the same terminal type:
[03:54] <Lobo> oi
[03:54] <Treenaks> dad: sudo nano /etc/modules
[03:55] <Treenaks> dad: it'll ask for your password, enter that
[03:55] <Lobo> te fode bicha
[03:55] <dad> ok
[03:55] <Treenaks> dad: then you'll see the contents of the configuration file
[03:55] <dad> yep
[03:55] <Treenaks> dad: add two new lines to the end of it, the first one with:
[03:55] <Treenaks> snd_powermac
[03:55] <Treenaks> dad: the second one with only:
[03:55] <Treenaks> snd_usb_audio
[03:55] <Treenaks> uh
[03:55] <dad> snd-powermac is there
[03:55] <Treenaks> reverse that
[03:55] <Treenaks> dad: ah.. add snd_usb_audio before that then
[03:56] <Treenaks> wait
[03:56] <Treenaks> just remove snd-powermavc
[03:56] <dad> remove snd_powermac?
[03:56] <Treenaks> dad: even better, put a "#" in front of it
[03:56] <dad> comment it out ok
[03:57] <Treenaks> then a reboot should do the trick
[03:57] <dad> ok ill give it a burl cya shortly i hope hehe
[03:57] <Treenaks> (you could mess around with unloading and re-loading modules, but thats messy)
[03:57] <Treenaks> good luck
[03:58] <dad> thnks spock cheers
[04:01] <Treenaks> dad: did it work?
[04:01] <dad> heyas
[04:01] <dad> man you get a carrot lol  np
[04:01] <dad> nearly knowcked me off my chair
[04:02] <Treenaks> :)
[04:02] <dad> you a real guru or wot?
[04:02] <dad> thanks so much for that
[04:02] <Treenaks> dad: it's just a common problem :)
[04:03] <dad> mb but to me its like chicken bones and eye of newt  lol
[04:03] <dad> now if i could just get my Puccini cd to play
[04:05] <dad> sorry to be a pain treenaks but xmms says no cd in /dev/cdrom  mb the path is wrong
[04:05] <ica> hi, is there a way to disable ipv6 all together in ubuntu? it is causing severe slowness in all the system
[04:05] <bob2> please file a bug
[04:05] <bob2> and include straces of programs that are slow
[04:06] <umarmung> Anyone elese here having problems with evolution & IMAP on hoary?
[04:06] <umarmung> else
[04:06] <ica> it is a custom configuration, we are using ldap to do authentication
[04:06] <ica> so login and ssh is really slow
[04:06] <bob2> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2443
[04:06] <ica> and so far i cant get gdm to authenticate
[04:06] <jdub> ica: someone mentioned a good way of doing it on the users list
[04:06] <bob2> umarmung: if they had, it'd be in the bug system :)
[04:07] <umarmung> :( haven't found anything in bugzilla
[04:08] <dad> eep it works
[04:08] <dad> crackle pop play lol
[04:09] <dad> should i hdparm my cdplayer?
[04:09] <ica> jdub: is there a way to search that user list?
[04:10] <jdub> ica: i don't think so atm, but google isn't too bad with it
[04:13] <ica> jdub: ldap site:lists.ubuntu.com returns nothing
[04:20] <ica> i tried to reboot ubuntu, and now it's stuck loading at "setting up ICE socket directory"
[04:23] <ica> :( what can i do?
[04:24] <ica> hmm i pressed ctrl-c and it continued booting
[04:28] <tenco> hi
[04:29] <tenco> why is the package paw++/paw not installable over universe ubuntu despite its available in debian
[04:29] <tenco> ?
[04:30] <dn3> does anyone know if ubuntu has ndiswrapper instaaleed
[04:30] <Kamion> tenco: when was it added to Debian?
[04:30] <Kamion> tenco: we froze universe in June 2004
[04:32] <Rod> hello
[04:32] <demon666_nl> hi
[04:32] <Rod> I searched the internet, looked the forum... I cant get my problem solved though.
[04:32] <Rod> I use ubuntu for a pretty while, last week i got a new computer with a nforce3 motherboard
[04:32] <Rod> The problem is that ubuntu sees the network well (lsmod shows the right module, forcedeth, loaded)
[04:33] <Rod> but i still aint got internet
[04:33] <Rod> no ping or whatsoever
[04:33] <Rod> there was a file with my hostname and everything in it, which it had to be gotten from the internet
[04:33] <Rod> My question now is what data you need to see exactly what the problem is
[04:33] <Rod> or where it is :)
[04:33] <GotD0t> anybody have any trouble getting GPG to lock memory after upgrading to Hoary?
[04:33] <tenco> Kamion: iam not sure. packages.debian.org reports a version "2004.01.20-8" for i386
[04:34] <Rod> *network... i mean networdcard
[04:34] <Kamion> tenco: that's available in hoary universe (although not for amd64)
[04:34] <Kamion> tenco: chances are it just didn't build properly for warty
[04:34] <Kamion> tenco: in general we put very little effort into fixing build problems in universe
[04:34] <tenco> Kamion: yes, but paw-common, which is needed by paw++, is not
[04:35] <Kamion> tenco: sure it is, I see it
[04:35] <Kamion> Package: paw-common
[04:35] <Kamion> Priority: optional
[04:35] <Kamion> Section: universe/science
[04:36] <Rod> nobody can tell my why my network card is detected, but dhcp doesnt work? :-/
[04:36] <Rod> it works flawlesly in windows
[04:36] <Rod> and also in gentoo  and fedora
[04:36] <Rod> not in debian (installer rc2)
[04:36] <tenco> Kamion: not in my selection
[04:37] <drac> not supported by debian yet
[04:37] <drac> ;)
[04:37] <tenco> Kamion: is synaptic updating the universe package-list?
[04:37] <Rod> debian includes the forcedeth drivers as well drac ... but they 'fail' to load
[04:37] <tenco> Kamion: or should i go for apt-get update?
[04:37] <Rod> cant figure out why
[04:39] <Kamion> tenco: should do if it's in sources.list
[04:44] <stvn> hm, my computer clock is running at the wrong speed, any suggestions how to solve it?
[04:44] <RubenV> stvn: how do you mean?
[04:44] <stvn> RubenV: it's too slow
[04:44] <RubenV> laptop
[04:44] <RubenV> that's normal
[04:44] <stvn> nope old desktop computer
[04:44] <RubenV> try doing something like
[04:45] <RubenV> md5sum /dev/urandom
[04:45] <RubenV> and it'll throttle up
[04:45] <RubenV> old desktop pc?
[04:45] <RubenV> is it an ubuntu only issue?
[04:45] <stvn> amd 400 with AT mobo
[04:45] <stvn> nope, it's a general linux issue
[04:45] <stvn> 1 sec takes about 2sec real time
[04:46] <RubenV> heh that's strange
[04:49] <stvn> anyone any suggestion?
[04:52] <GotD0t> i uninstalled GPG which i installed by way of apt-get, and then i compiled and installed it myself, and now when i run the command gpg it tells me that /usr/bin/gpg doesnt exist, which it doesnt because its now located in /usr/local/bin/gpg... how do i change it so it looks for it in the correct place?
[04:52] <GoneBoB> GotD0t: restart your shell
[04:52] <Kamion> hash -r gpg
[04:52] <Kamion> sorry, hash -d gpg
[04:52] <GotD0t> gonebob: worked... thanks
[05:05] <siretart> GotD0t: `hash -r` would also have worked
[05:11] <dad> ubuntu is amazingly good
[05:11] <tjsavio> quit
[05:16] <Gwildor> hello
[05:17] <Rene_S> Ola
[05:18] <Bliksem> whats the setting to make nautilus open windows in the same window?
[05:18] <Bliksem> *folders in the same window
[05:20] <birme> Computer->Desktop Preferences->File Management
[05:23] <Bliksem> birme then what?
[05:23] <Gwildor> is it know that the ubuntu update manager doesnt update the source list (apt-get update), before it searches for upgrades
[05:23] <Gwildor> kinda makes it pointless
[05:23] <Qo-noS> Bliksem: gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser true
[05:24] <birme> Bliksem: the second tab from the left
[05:24] <birme> first checkbox from the top
[05:24] <jiyuu0|work> Bliksem, FYI http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#openfoldersamewindow
[05:25] <sparehead1> whats the difference between universe and multiverse in sources.list?
[05:25] <jdub> universe == free
[05:25] <jdub> multiverse == non-free
[05:25] <sparehead1> ahhh, kewl
[05:26] <sparehead1> its still a very very BAD thing to cross the streams, I mean have debian sources in your ubuntu source.list right?
[05:27] <Gwildor> yeah
[05:27] <ironwolf> sparehead1: yes, don't cross the streams.... :)
[05:28] <Bliksem> thanks
[05:28] <sparehead1> right on
[05:35] <koio> hi.
[05:35] <koio> how does ubuntu compare to gentoo?
[05:35] <jk> like apples to pears
[05:35] <sparehead1> hmm dont have to compile everything from source
[05:36] <koio> oh.  so it's a binary distro.
[05:36] <jk> yup
[05:36] <jk> you can compile from source though
[05:36] <sdr> my ubuntu install is ignoring all but the first domain in my search list in resolv.conf.
[05:40] <ironwolf> sdr: what have you tried to verify this?
[05:47] <sdr> actually, nevermind, I did an apt-get update a couple days ago and I can no longer reproduce the problem.
[05:52] <sparehead1> is there a new version or name for w32codecs, I'm just trying to get some codecs installed so I can watch and listen to stuff. Do I really need w32codecs (is that like win32 like wma codecs?) or should I be cool with the gstreamer ones
[05:52] <ironwolf> sdr: glad it's fixed. :)
[05:53] <kent> sparehead1, i dont know if the totem with gstreamer backend can use those codecs, but totem-xine does. I think you get support for fare more codecs with w32codecs.
[05:56] <sparehead1> ok. Is there a special way to get it cause when i try to apt-get it it says that its missing but refered to by another package
[05:57] <mjr> gstreamer does indeed not currently have support for w32codecs
[05:57] <mjr> such a plugin hasn't apparently been a priority
[05:58] <sparehead1> on a COMPETELY different note, does anyone know a good bit-torrent client that dont use java?
[05:58] <Pathfinder> Hi, am a relatively new linux user (BTW, Ubuntu is much easier for newbie to handle than MDK), and need to reed .pdf's in firefox. Battling to set up acrobat reader - can enayone help?  Have copied the file, as instructed, into plug-in directory.
[05:58] <mjr> sparehead1, bittornado works well enough
[05:58] <deFrysk> Pathfinder, use xpdf
[05:58] <sparehead1> k
[05:58] <Pathfinder> deFrysk: How do I get Xpdf to open them in firefox?
[05:59] <deFrysk> open with...
[05:59] <deFrysk> then select xpdf
[05:59] <deFrysk>  /usr/bin/xpdf
[05:59] <jiyuu0> Pathfinder, acroread plugin http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html
[05:59] <deFrysk> to be precise
[06:00] <deFrysk> ow IN firefox
[06:00] <deFrysk> ok
[06:01] <lala> anybody help me : iget this error when i boot device-mapper dm-linear device lookup failed?
[06:01] <lala> anybody help me : iget this error when i boot device-mapper dm-linear device lookup failed?
[06:03] <Pathfinder> jiyuu0: thanks
[06:06] <jiyuu0> Pathfinder, no prob
[06:10] <NetwrkMonkey> well i think i'm about to install ubuntu
[06:10] <NetwrkMonkey> not before i back up 20 gigs though
[06:10] <jiyuu0> NetwrkMonkey, and u r currently using...
[06:10] <NetwrkMonkey> SuSE
[06:10] <NetwrkMonkey> :-)
[06:11] <jiyuu0> ah... kde -> gnome
[06:11] <NetwrkMonkey> well SuSE 8.1 on the box i'm installing it on
[06:11] <NetwrkMonkey> yup switching back to gnome
[06:11] <jiyuu0> suse -> colourful
[06:11] <jiyuu0> ubuntu -> plain
[06:11] <NetwrkMonkey> i used ximian for the longest time and i've been keeping an eye on the development
[06:13] <eruin> Netminder: you won't regret it :)
[06:13] <eruin> err, NetwrkMonkey
[06:13] <eruin> apart from the fact that xchat's nick completion is unbelievably sloppy
[06:14] <eruin> now allow me to install some expos-like hacks :)
[06:15] <jiyuu0> eruin, and what does the hack do
[06:16] <eruin> guess
[06:16] <NetwrkMonkey> well i've known thatt
[06:16] <eruin> http://www.pycage.de/software_expocity.html
[06:17] <sparehead1> make the nick complition not sloppy?
[06:17] <eruin> expos ... ie alt-tab improved
[06:18] <jiyuu0> issit... let me check
[06:18] <sparehead1> damn, really thought i had that one
[06:18] <eruin> apparently it's been proposed for metacity-inclusion
[06:19] <eruin> only trouble is, ofcourse, that that particular file is dead-old
[06:19] <NetwrkMonkey> dear god it takes an ice age to bzip2 a 500 mb tar
[06:19] <NetwrkMonkey> well 700 mb
[06:19] <eruin> last iceage or the one before that?
[06:19] <NetwrkMonkey> the one before lol
[06:20] <NetwrkMonkey> I do weekley backups
[06:20] <jedthehumanoid> have anyone had any luck compiling trident driver or any other driver from source?
[06:20] <NetwrkMonkey> just now putting them on cd
[06:20] <sirfred> jedthehumanoid: You mean for x.org ?
[06:21] <jedthehumanoid> no, for xfree86 at the moment...i seem to be missing a host.def file...
[06:21] <eruin> I need a place to follow metacity development
[06:21] <sirfred> jedthehumanoid: Don't know, sorry
[06:21] <jedthehumanoid> thx anyway
[06:22] <jedthehumanoid> but the right way to go if you need the X sources is apt-get source xserver-xfree86 right?
[06:22] <sirfred> jedthehumanoid: I think so.
[06:22] <daniels> or xserver-xorg
[06:23] <sirfred> jedthehumanoid: That's the debian way
[06:23] <jedthehumanoid> daniels, yeah
[06:23] <sirfred> I would like to have mach64 dri support in x.org.
[06:23] <jedthehumanoid> but i dont seem to get the host.def...for my system, is there anyway to generate och create one on my own?
[06:24] <sirfred> Perhaps I need to compile the package xserver-xorg myself.
[06:24] <jedthehumanoid> och/or*
[06:25] <NetwrkMonkey> is it possible to use Xorg in Warty ?
[06:25] <mp_> hi...just installed Ubuntu, but Grub fails to load in first reboot at stage 1.5, returning error 21 (described here: http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=6846)
[06:26] <Kamion> 21 : Selected disk does not exist
[06:26] <Kamion>      This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full
[06:26] <Kamion>      file name refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or
[06:26] <Kamion>      not recognized by the BIOS in the system.
[06:26] <Kamion> sounds like something between grub's device.map and the BIOS is confused
[06:34] <mp_> Kamion: thx, it looks like a problem w/ HPT370 controller then...
[06:35] <Kamion> mp_: highpoint? sounds like Ubuntu bug #2254
[06:35] <RubenV> HPT370 support in linux is problematic
[06:35] <Kamion> it's assigned to me, but I don't really know how to start going about debugging it
[06:35] <RubenV> i have one on my desktop
[06:35] <mp_> Kamion: yes... i will have a look...
[06:35] <RubenV> but i'm not using it for anything advanced
[06:36] <Kamion> help appreciated, but I'm afraid I don't really know where to tell you to start
[06:36] <RubenV> (i'm just not using my desktop recently actually :))
[06:36] <mp_> i had problem with HPT370 in Redhat 7.3 (there was no driver) but with Redhat 8.0/9.0 onwards there were no problems
[06:37] <Matt|> anyone know how to use ImageMagick and convert quite well?
[06:38] <pridkett> Matt|: what do you need to do?
[06:38] <RubenV> Matt|: what do you want to do?
[06:38] <Matt|> *laughs*
[06:38] <RubenV> :D
[06:38] <RubenV> mogrify is also nice btw, part of ImageMagick too
[06:39] <pridkett> RubenV: they're basically the same thing, mogrify just does the stuff in place
[06:39] <Matt|> pridkett, RubenV, I have a folder full of my parents digital photos. I want to seek out the ones which are longer vertically than horizontally and turn them 90 degrees
[06:39] <Matt|> is that gonna be possible?
[06:39] <Kamion> mp_: interesting, wonder what RH did
[06:39] <RubenV> pridkett: true, but i've spent ages using convert before finding out mogrify existed
[06:40] <RubenV> damn i hated myself when i found that out :)
[06:40] <pridkett> Matt|: yup, mogrify is the tool you'll want
[06:40] <wasabi> Is there any reasource for ubuntu help with a lucent ltmodem?
[06:40] <Matt|> pridkett, it is command line right?
[06:40] <pridkett> yeah
[06:40] <Matt|> ok cool
[06:40] <RubenV> Matt|: i do that with gthumb
[06:40] <Matt|> is there a good man page
[06:40] <Matt|> ?
[06:40] <mp_> Kamion: they integrated the driver that HP provided the source for, and it seemed to work.. the HP driver also worked for me in RH 7.3
[06:40] <RubenV> gthumb can read exif tags about orientation
[06:40] <RubenV> if they are there
[06:41] <Matt|> yeah i dunno about that
[06:41] <RubenV> so it automattically rotates according to how the camera was used
[06:41] <RubenV> *automatically
[06:41] <pridkett> That's probably what you'll want to do
[06:41] <Kamion> tip of the day: it helps if you install packages of the right architecture *sigh*
[06:42] <Matt|> probably
[06:42] <RubenV> that alone makes gthumb a killer app :)
[06:42] <kristjan> anybody had success with tvout on ati radeon 9600 M10 mobility?
[06:43] <Matt|> k i fired up gthumb and it crashed straight away
[06:43] <Matt|> killer app...
[06:43] <RubenV> :D
[06:43] <RubenV> works great normally
[06:43] <Matt|> i can't get it working
[06:43] <RubenV> guess it'll have to be some console magic then
[06:43] <Matt|> it opens and then crashes
[06:44] <Matt|> i was looking for console magic anyhow ;p
[06:44] <RubenV> :)
[06:44] <RubenV> mogrify then
[06:44] <Matt|> RubenV, you running hoary?
[06:44] <RubenV> Matt|: yes
[06:44] <Matt|> and gthumb works?
[06:44] <RubenV> yes
[06:44] <Matt|> try and do something in it
[06:45] <RubenV> works great
[06:45] <pridkett> Matt|: you can use the package exif from universe, then run this command to get the orientation of each picture: exif  *.jpg -t 0xa406 | grep Value | sed -e "s/  Value: \(.*\)/\1/"
[06:46] <Matt|> omg
[06:46] <pridkett> That will return Portrait or Standard for each one
[06:46] <Matt|> perhaps something easier
[06:46] <RubenV> horribly complex :D
[06:47] <Matt|> RubenV, you are up2date?
[06:47] <kristjan> pridkett: nice 1
[06:47] <RubenV> Matt|: about 8hours old
[06:47] <Matt|> hmm
[06:48] <Matt|> what the hell is wrong with my gthumb
[06:48] <Rod> hi, my network aint working in ubuntu. What data do you need to analyse?
[06:48] <Rod> it aint on the forum or faqs
[06:48] <Matt|> Rod, ifconfig -a
[06:49] <Rod> eh i did ifconfig... not sure what came out if it though :)
[06:49] <Rod> lsmod showed all drivers loaded, included the forcedeth which this netword card uses
[06:49] <bob2> that's not the greatest debugging tool
[06:49] <bob2> ouchy, forcedeth
[06:49] <Rod> ifconfig shows 2 network devices.. one at eth0, one sth (or so)0
[06:50] <Rod> i prefer ubuntu / debian so much above others... but gentoo and fc3 detects it flawlessly and it works alright :-/ (unfortunately :p)
[06:50] <bob2> did you try noacpi and apic=off?
[06:50] <Rod> ill do an ifconfig with the live cd.. .any other commands you  need?
[06:50] <bob2> nvidia chipsets seem to be buggy wrt that a lot.
[06:50] <Rod> nope, didnt try it yet.. ill write that one down too
[06:50] <Rod> yeah, its a asus k8n nforce3
[06:51] <Rod> something else i need to try out?
[06:52] <Rod> wish me luch then :)
[06:58] <Matt|> jdub, you around?
[06:58] <pridkett> Matt|: this script is rapidly becoming more complex than I thought it should be.  Apparently there are lots of issues with rotating photos and making sure the exif tags get done correctly
[06:58] <Matt|> pridkett, *laughs*
[06:58] <Matt|> pridkett, i just had a look in the man and couldn't understand anything
[06:58] <Matt|> but if I open gthumb with a file it appears to work so I'll try that
[06:59] <siretart> whom do I need to kiss his feet for thanking for updating multisync now supporting evolution2?
[07:01] <Matt|> pridkett, can gthumb do batch processing of photos? doesn't seem to be able to when I select more than one photo in the folder view
[07:06] <pridkett> Matt|: Not sure.  I've got a script for you that works for most photos though
[07:06] <ironwolf> siretart: when in doubt, kiss daniels feet. :)
[07:06] <Matt|> pridkett, ooh thats nice of you
[07:06] <Matt|> ironwolf, yeah that's the general rule
[07:07] <siretart> daniels: many many kudos for updating multisync! :)
[07:07] <daniels> siretart: er, I did?
[07:07] <Matt|> pridkett<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:07] <Matt|> oops
[07:07] <Matt|> yahoo.com
[07:07] <Matt|> sorry
[07:08] <Matt|> pridkett, better email it: i haven't set up dcc here
[07:09] <pridkett> Matt|: it's off
[07:09] <pridkett> lemme know if it can't handle some photos
[07:09] <Matt|> pridkett, i've already started rotating some of them - is that gonna be a problem>
[07:09] <Matt|> ?
[07:09] <siretart> daniels: nope, ironwolf claimed that. kudos to Michael Bank!
[07:10] <mp_> Kamion: hmm.., so no Ubuntu for me, unless I want to downgrade to use UDMA 66 then... a shame..
[07:10] <birme> siretart: multisync including the evo2 plugin?
[07:10] <daniels> siretart: thanks for the compliment, however :)
[07:11] <pridkett> Matt|: it looks at the orientation and image size.  If it is supposed to be rotated and looks like it already has (width < height) then it skips the file.
[07:11] <siretart> birme: yepp!
[07:11] <birme> ok, then it is a cvs snapshot I guess
[07:11] <pridkett> try it on a scratch directory first
[07:11] <siretart> birme: yepp!
[07:11] <Matt|> pridkett, ok i'll backup and then try
[07:11] <Matt|> thanks a million
[07:11] <siretart> birme: snapshot from 20041125
[07:12] <birme> siretart: good... then I think you've got the latest fixes too
[07:12] <Matt|> pridkett, just exim i need right?
[07:13] <pridkett> Matt|: exif and image magic
[07:13] <pridkett> not exim, exif
[07:13] <pridkett> :-)
[07:13] <Matt|> sorry
[07:14] <siretart> birme: I just tested it with irda and my siemens s55. works for me [tm]  :)
[07:15] <birme> siretart: ok, I'm using bluetooth and a t68i
[07:17] <birme> siretart: still it has problems by creating duplicate phone-book entries in the phone
[07:17] <Matt|> pridkett, problem. Is it going to work on filenames with space in them?
[07:17] <pridkett> hmmm...I dunno
[07:17] <pridkett> lemme fix
[07:17] <Matt|> *laughs*
[07:17] <siretart> birme: -v please, what do you mean with that?
[07:18] <sparehead1> ok I'm tryin to get acroread to work, would /usr/bin/Acrobat5/bin count as the install directory?
[07:18] <Matt|> ouch
[07:18] <socomm> Anyone got some tips on getting the i810 video driver working?
[07:18] <birme> siretart: I mean that if you've modified a contact in evo2 and then sync, it could add a duplicate entry of that contact in the phone
[07:18] <Matt|> socomm, what is wrong with it?
[07:19] <housetier> sparehead1 HOW are you trying to get it to work?
[07:19] <socomm> Matt|: Xorg only starts up to a black screen, and doesn't allow any sort of interaction after that.
[07:19] <siretart> sparehead1: why not installing the prepackaged acroread from marillat?
[07:19] <MobyTurbo> sparehead1, if you're installing it outside of the packaging system, use /usr/local as the stem name then make symlinks of the executable to /usr/local/bin
[07:20] <siretart> birme: ah, but it wont damage my contacts in the phone. ok
[07:20] <JDahl> socomm, at my work (testint/debian) machine I couldnt get it working also (I blame the cheap integrated Video card), but I can use Vesa... try that
[07:20] <birme> siretart: I suggest backup the contacts first though
[07:20] <skeff> why is there no mplayer package in repository?
[07:20] <birme> to be on the safe side
[07:20] <socomm> JDahl: what's the error you get?
[07:20] <siretart> birme: ok
[07:20] <MobyTurbo> skeff, legal problems. It's GPL but uses binary plugins.
[07:20] <Matt|> zopi, you are sure you're not looking for linux-headers?
[07:20] <lamont> zopi: linux-headers should have what you're after
[07:21] <JDahl> socomm, I dont remember anymore... sorry
[07:21] <sparehead1> i was reading the unoffial ubuntu guide and followed that i did a..
[07:21] <Matt|> zopi, linux-headers doesn't have to match your kernel number - they are backwards compatible
[07:21] <JDahl> socomm, I was with Vesa
[07:21] <JDahl> happy
[07:22] <socomm> JDahl: I got it semi usable after upgrading the BIOS.
[07:22] <zopi> Matt| = I wiill try thanks ;-)
[07:22] <sparehead1> apt-get install acroread and a acroread-plugin
[07:22] <pridkett> Matt|: the simple answer is no, it won't work with filenames with spaces
[07:22] <Matt|> pridkett, it's gonna be a bitch to rename them all ;)
[07:22] <pridkett> Matt|: Sorry, that requires some hacker that I don't have time to do
[07:22] <Matt|> pridkett, i will think of something :)
[07:23] <socomm> JDahl: I'm testing out the vesa driver now.
[07:23] <MobyTurbo> sparehead1, well, since that is *within* the packaging system disregard my /usr/local advice. It should have put acroread somewhere in your path.
[07:23] <Matt|> anyone know how to bulk rename?
[07:23] <Matt|> :p
[07:23] <skeff> You're telling me that the "Best media player" for linux, as awarded by Linux New Media AG, is not availiable in Ubuntu?  The open source principle handling is flawed, Flawed I tell yas! :D
[07:23] <Matt|> which?
[07:23] <zopi> rescue mode on CD ?
[07:23] <pridkett> for x in *; do y=`echo $x | sed -e "s/ /_/g"`; mv $x $y; done
[07:23] <zopi> MPlayer :)
[07:23] <pridkett> that's for Matt|
[07:23] <zopi> good or not ?
[07:23] <JDahl> socomm, do you have a Dell machine? mine is an optiplex... around the time when I installed testing (this spring) alot of people had problems with the Dell Optiplex w/ cheapo integrated graphics... I even had do downgrade the BIOS two releases to get the card working
[07:24] <Matt|> skeff, which?
[07:24] <skeff> Matt|, MPlayer
[07:24] <pridkett> Matt|: err...hold off
[07:24] <Matt|> skeff, search the wiki for RestrictedFormats
[07:24] <Matt|> pridkett, np i wouldn't know where to put it anyhow ;p
[07:24] <pridkett> for x in *; do y=`echo $x | sed -e "s/ /_/g"`; mv "$x" "$y"; done
[07:24] <pridkett> that's the right script
[07:24] <Matt|> skeff, you'll find out how to get mplayer
[07:24] <pridkett> that takes all the files in a directory and replaces the " " with "_"
[07:25] <pridkett> anywya, I should get back to work
[07:25] <Matt|> pridkett, omg i've gotta write that down
[07:25] <socomm> JDahl: The A08 BIOS is rumored to work, that's what I"m using now. My machine is a Dell Inspiron 2600.
[07:25] <Matt|> pridkett, you're a genius
[07:25] <skeff> Matt|, I thought the Universe repository was supposed to hold non-GPL software... well if Not, what about creating a repository for non-GPL software, which probably constitues an insane amount of excellent software?
[07:25] <Matt|> skeff, not my call :)
[07:25] <skeff> Matt|, But you agree?
[07:25] <sparehead1> so i had a look in /usr/bin/acroread cause it was giving errors about it couldn't find /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread when I looked it was acroread.sh so I added the .sh to usr/bin/acroread and now it says cannot find install directory
[07:25] <Matt|> skeff, i'm happy with it as it is
[07:25] <MobyTurbo> skeff, multiverse carrys legal but non-open-source. universe carries open-source only.
[07:26] <wood1> Hello to everybody
[07:26] <socomm> JDahl: Anhow the vesa driver doesn't seem to be working, it only goes into a multicolored mess that doesn't work at all.
[07:26] <skeff> MobyTurbo, multiverse..?
[07:26] <MobyTurbo> skeff, since mplayer as constructed breaks the law, ubuntu chose, like Debian, not to include it even in multiverse.
[07:26] <MobyTurbo> skeff, multiverse = Debian non-free
[07:26] <sparehead1> when I look in acroread.sh it says "install_dir=REPLACE_ME" so I thought i'd replace it i just dont know what with :/
[07:27] <wood1> I have a problem during my Ubuntu boot process, it stops with some weird Stack ... Trace call messages
[07:27] <JDahl> socomm, try changing the amount of allocated shared memory in the bios... I had to do that
[07:27] <zopi> MPlayer Debian : http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/03/msg00235.html
[07:27] <wood1> I have to restart my Ubuntu PC at least 2-3 times before it finally boots normally
[07:28] <socomm> JDahl: Video RAM?
[07:28] <sparehead1> siretart: whats the marillat one?
[07:28] <jiyuu0> sparehead1, how did u install acroread?
[07:28] <MobyTurbo> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[07:28] <MobyTurbo> is multiverse
[07:28] <sparehead1> sudo apt-get install acroread
[07:28] <wood1> By the way, I can't browse my Windows Workgroup anymore
[07:29] <wood1> It was working fine till yesterday
[07:29] <MobyTurbo> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[07:29] <MobyTurbo> is marillat
[07:29] <JDahl> socomm, yes... it's probably set to 1M, but I could set it as high as 8M and that did it for me... The early BIOS releases had bug related to this issue, maybe that's what giving you trouble as well
[07:29] <MobyTurbo> but keep in mind this is not only an unofficial repository it is meant for Debian.
[07:30] <socomm> JDahl: Yeah read about that, but I don't see that option in my BIOS.
[07:30] <sparehead1> yeah, I'm trying not to cross the streams
[07:30] <sparehead1> any idea's as what would count as the install dir?
[07:31] <MobyTurbo> sparehead1, well, add multiverse and you can install a lot of non-free stuff without leaving ubuntu repos.
[07:31] <wood1> So what could be the problem which does not let me browse my Windows Workgroup Network anymore ?
[07:31] <JDahl> socomm, then I'm out of ideas...
[07:31] <sparehead1> got that in, had to have it to grab acroread I think
[07:32] <Vince-0> ANY1 got their ATI 9xxx card to run on debian (accelerated) ?
[07:32] <socomm> JDahl: Thanks anyhow :^)
[07:32] <sparehead1> I think I'll try some random dir's and if i get it to work I can file a useful bug report! WOHOO!
[07:32] <daniels> Vince-0: depends whether you mean 9000->9250, or 9550->9800
[07:32] <MobyTurbo> Vince-0, this isn't #debian. If you're running ubuntu the drivers are available in the restricted repository.
[07:33] <Vince-0> MobyTurbo , I got an 9600 XT I am having a hell of a time getting to install drivers
[07:33] <Vince-0> hehe
[07:33] <JDahl> Vince-0, On my laptop I have a mobile 9000 - and that's accelerated by default in XFree86. I also tried ATI's drivers, and they weren't faster
[07:34] <Vince-0> Well my 9600 drivers on ubuntu I think are just generic, nothings accelerated, not even the scrnsavers
[07:34] <JDahl> Vince-0, maybe you have to change driver to "radeon", but that should be it
[07:34] <rip024> hello everyone
[07:35] <calamari_> hi
[07:35] <Vince-0> JDahl : I tried, scrnsavers still jolt some
[07:35] <Vince-0> hehe
[07:35] <JDahl> Vince-0, what's your glxgears score?
[07:35] <Vince-0> JDahl : I dunno , not good with these drivers I think
[07:36] <jiyuu0> sparehead1, i think ur acroread is from a diff repository... i can't seem to find acroread.sh here
[07:36] <JDahl> Vince-0, could you possible try?
[07:36] <calamari_> has any GUI burning program surpassed xcdroast for features, etc?
[07:36] <JDahl> s/possible/possibly/
[07:36] <Vince-0> JDahl : I will nownow , I am in the wrong OS
[07:36] <wood1> Doesn't anybody know a fix to Networking in Samba for Ubuntu ?
[07:36] <MobyTurbo> calamari_, k3b, but you need to install KDE in order to use it.
[07:36] <rip024> I installed ubuntu thursday I'm having trouble understanding commands.  I've download some programs and can't get anything to work any help
[07:36] <calamari_> MobyTurbo: don't want to do that.. not a big kde fan :)
[07:37] <JDahl> MobyTurbo, you only kdelibs to run k3b, and apt-get will take care of it
[07:37] <calamari_> I suppose I could install the kde libs tho, right?
[07:37] <jiyuu0> rip024, what program?
[07:37] <rip024> i386
[07:37] <MobyTurbo> JDahl, of course apt-get takes care of it. :-)
[07:37] <calamari_> JDahl: hehe thanks :)
[07:38] <jiyuu0> i386 is not program... it's architecture
[07:38] <wood1> Does someone here know about Samba networking ?
[07:38] <jiyuu0> wood1, samba networking in what?
[07:38] <rip024> ubuntu new one 4.10
[07:39] <jiyuu0> wood1, samba networking in what?
[07:39] <JDahl> MobyTurbo, I didnt mean to be patronizing.. ;) I just meant that you dont much to get k3b running under gnome
[07:39] <jiyuu0> rip024, try http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html
[07:39] <sparehead1> hmm I've got archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty uni and multiverse and restricted. And security.ubuntu. Thats it
[07:39] <wood1> Well I can't browse from Ubuntu a Windows Workgroup anymore
[07:39] <rip024> I'll check it out
[07:39] <jiyuu0> wood1, sometimes i get that too... quite annoying
[07:39] <wood1> jiyuu0, it was working fine till yesterday
[07:39] <MobyTurbo> JDahl, OK. :-)
[07:39] <jiyuu0> try direct smb://pc/folder
[07:40] <sparehead1> I only installed all of this today so maybe some changes have been made since you installed? I dunno, I'm clutching at straws here
[07:40] <wood1> Ok I will try that
[07:40] <wood1> thanks
[07:40] <jiyuu0> no prob
[07:40] <speel> hey i need a lil help i installed enemy territory and the patch and when i went to load up the game x closed and came back up with a login screen any ideas?
[07:42] <Quest-Master> Hi
[07:42] <wood1> jiyuu0, well I get the same problem
[07:43] <wood1> I guess that I have to manually edit the samba.conf file
[07:43] <speel> any ideas ;[
[07:43] <wood1> But I really have to invest a lot of my time just to understand it
[07:43] <wood1> What I really don't understand is that it was suppose to be done automatically
[07:44] <jiyuu0> try by ip
[07:44] <gson> speel ive got the same problem, but with quake3, x doesnt like when you do vid_REstart or change displayrefresh :), try to write enemyterritory -w
[07:44] <wood1> In fact, I am using 2 PCs with Ubuntu Lnux
[07:44] <jiyuu0> smb://ip/folder
[07:44] <wood1> The PC with Warty works fine but the PC with Hoary does not
[07:44] <gson> window mode first then do fullscreen, need help with it also. its kinda fucked up:/
[07:45] <wood1> I have tried that too with much luck, jiyuu0
[07:45] <jiyuu0> can ping ip?
[07:46] <wood1> Yes I can ping the IP
[07:46] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu can use .deb files, correct?
[07:46] <jiyuu0> Quest-Master, ya
[07:46] <Quest-Master> Cool.
[07:46] <Quest-Master> I
[07:46] <Kamion> Quest-Master: Ubuntu is made up of .deb files
[07:46] <MobyTurbo> Quest-Master, yes, but you usually install them from apt repositories rather than directly.
[07:47] <Quest-Master> *I'm looking to move to Ubuntu because of it's support for Gnome.
[07:47] <jiyuu0> wood1, have u try restart?
[07:47] <Quest-Master> Currently on Suse, whose support for Gnome isn't good at all
[07:47] <jiyuu0> wood1, what have u done to ur smb.conf?
[07:47] <gson> jiyuu0 which mplayer should i use? the one in synaptic?
[07:48] <jiyuu0> wood1, u can try create another user account and try see can browse... might be ur gnome prob (guesing)
[07:48] <jiyuu0> gson, u using p4?
[07:48] <wood1> Well I will give it a try
[07:48] <jiyuu0> the mplayer ther not gui base
[07:48] <jiyuu0> and got problem with machines not p4
[07:48] <jiyuu0> go for xine-ui
[07:49] <jiyuu0> i use mplayer for streaming video in browser
[07:50] <socomm> jiyuu0: mplayer-plugin?
[07:50] <jiyuu0> mozilla-mplayer
[07:50] <jiyuu0> socomm, visit here for more info http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html
[07:51] <calamari_> are there any GUI shell programs that can have a changeable font and also the ability to go actual full screen (non-simulated), similar to Windows Alt-Enter?
[07:51] <jiyuu0> calamari_, what do u mean gui shell?
[07:51] <jiyuu0> calamari_, this? Ctrl + F1
[07:52] <calamari_> jiyuu0: I'm not running ubuntu yet, just prepping :)
[07:52] <jiyuu0> calamari_ sori Ctrl + Alt + F1
[07:52] <jiyuu0> ic
[07:52] <skeff> help! I don't get no sound from the mplayerplug-in in firefox, I've tried both with and without ESD
[07:52] <calamari_> jiyuu0: I know there are the regular consoles, no prob
[07:53] <jiyuu0> ok
[07:53] <MobyTurbo> calamari_, gnome terminal can change fonts. No full-screen though, for that you have to enter a console.
[07:53] <calamari_> jiyuu0: what I'm looking for is something like xterm, but where I can change the font and also be able to make it go full screen like a regualr console
[07:53] <calamari_> MobyTurbo: okay thanks
[07:53] <MobyTurbo> calamari_, you can even change fonts in xterm, but unlike gnome terminal you need to put it on a command line rather than a menu.
[07:53] <treeSnake> the info on how to create a mirror doesn't quite work for me. might i be missing something?
[07:54] <gwak> i upgrade to 'hoary' today -- it went 'ok' except it did not upgrade 'gdm' (held back). So when i restarted gdm i had multiple xsessions starting -- once i upgraded gdm everthing was fine -- should i report this as a bug ?
[07:55] <MobyTurbo> gwak, did you dist-upgrade?
[07:55] <gwak> MobyTurbo: yes
[07:56] <kristjan> hi, anybody successful with tv out issues on ati mobility radeon 9600? (Thinkpad T42 + Ubuntu)
[07:56] <MobyTurbo> gwak, if you dist-upgraded and it happened then it is a bug.
[07:56] <gwak> apt/dpk had marked gdm as 'held back' for as i noticed
[07:56] <treeSnake> rsync complains "No such file or directory"
[07:56] <nuOpus> hey whats up?
[07:56] <gwak> MobyTurbo, will do filling out a bug report now
[07:56] <MobyTurbo> gwak, usually but not always "held back" occurs when you upgrade but not if you dist-upgrade.
[07:57] <NV> hi, i seem to be having a problem with firefox 1.0.  i just upgraded using the built-in upgrade feature in firefox and now the back/forward buttons dont work and my homepage cant be changed from the firefox page. can anyone help (sorry, if this is an easy fix, but i'm new to linux)?
[07:57] <MobyTurbo> gwak, make sure to mention at what date you tried dist-upgrading to hoary; since it's a development branch that matters.
[07:57] <gwak> MobyTurbo:yea your right -- i did it from Synaptic -- not from apt-get -- stupid me
[07:58] <sparehead1> can someone tell me what there acroread.sh has in as its install dir?
[07:58] <wood1> Does anybody here notice the difference in image quality between XFree86 and Xorg ?
[07:58] <sparehead1> none of my guess's worked :(
[07:58] <MobyTurbo> gwak, then it's not a bug - changing distros means you have to dist-upgrade. (synaptic can do that in it's "auto" mode.)
[07:58] <Quest-Master> Err
[07:58] <Quest-Master> Which one I am I supposed to download from here?
[07:58] <Quest-Master> http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/
[07:58] <Quest-Master> :P
[07:58] <Kamion> NV: really shouldn't use the built-in upgrade feature; we disabled that I thought
[07:59] <Quest-Master> Ah
[07:59] <Quest-Master> Found it
[07:59] <NV> ah crap
[07:59] <Kamion> Quest-Master: warty/warty-release-install-<your-architecture>.iso
[07:59] <NV> any way for me to fix this?
[07:59] <gwak> MobyTurbo: yea i just hit the 'smart-upgrade' button -- is that considered 'auto'
[07:59] <Kamion> NV: I'd 'apt-get --reinstall install mozilla-firefox' to get back to a sane state
[07:59] <kristjan> wood1: no, but I've noticed the fonts are nicer in xfree..
[08:00] <MobyTurbo> gwak, sorry, smart-upgrade I think is = dist-upgrade.
[08:00] <Kamion> NV: firefox 1.0 is in hoary, but not in warty; look around, I think somebody has done proper 1.0 packages for warty
[08:00] <NV> kamion: do i just do that from sudo root? sorry...new to linux and am figureing my way around
[08:00] <NV> ah ok
[08:00] <Kamion> sudo apt-get ..., yeah
[08:00] <Kamion> sorry, I should be more explicit
[08:00] <jiyuu0> NV, new to linux and already trying to upgrade ur firefox ;P
[08:00] <NV> haha yeah.
[08:00] <gwak> Moby: i will file a bug report and repeat the steps i did -- along with the date (today)
[08:01] <Kamion> synaptic may have a reinstall option too, but I'm not so familiar with it
[08:01] <treeSnake> is there some other docs on how to use rsync to create a mirror other than the howto I already found (and that didn't work)?
[08:01] <NV> i actually changed my desktop to xfce4 as per instructions on the wiki since this is an old laptop
[08:01] <Kamion> NV: basically once you've installed something with one packaging system it's not a good idea to install it with another packaging system without removing it from the first beforehand; the result of doing that is usually that you confuse both systems
[08:02] <NV> ah ok
[08:02] <jiyuu0> NV, if u really want 1.0 have u try download direct from mozilla?
[08:02] <gson> hehe jiyuu0 cant use gxine when i want to see anime:) for that i need to use mplayer right.?
[08:03] <darksword> hi there
[08:03] <Kamion> NV: (if you do that, just make sure to install it in a different place than the firefox that comes with Ubuntu)
[08:03] <NV> nope, havent. i just used the updater built in to firefox since i thought it would be easier
[08:03] <treeSnake> i'm trying to set up an ubuntu mirror for the local community and i'm failing miserably. is there at least one in here that can show some mercy?
[08:03] <jiyuu0> gson, xine-ui can watch provided with w32codecs
[08:03] <Kamion> NV: easier: have a look at http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ut8g/
[08:04] <gwak> one other thing w/ the upgrade the mail noticication applet disappeared
[08:04] <Kamion> NV: with the /etc/apt/sources.list fragments at the bottom, you should just be able to upgrade the mozilla-firefox package with synaptic
[08:04] <gson> k jiyuu0 ill see if i can get w32codec then:D
[08:04] <darksword> i have a probleme to use dvd on my laptop. When i insert a dvd, i say "impossible to mount media..."
[08:04] <jiyuu0> gson, ya it's there
[08:04] <gson> tnx for the help again..
[08:04] <darksword> what can i do ?
[08:04] <jiyuu0> gson, no prob
[08:04] <gson> :)
[08:05] <NV> ah ok, thanks!
[08:05] <treeSnake> well, i tried. nothing else to do in here.
[08:05] <socomm> darksword: Get a new LapTop :^P
[08:05] <darksword> :)
[08:05] <jiyuu0> darksword, all dvd?
[08:05] <jladage> Hi all,
[08:06] <treeSnake> take care.
[08:06] <jladage> Happy as a child with my new powerbook
[08:06] <NV> thanks a lot for the help!
[08:06] <darksword> i've tested -R/ +R and multisession/ only one session
[08:06] <NV> time to see if i can fix this
[08:06] <jladage> but how do I make it dual boot with ubuntu
[08:07] <jiyuu0> darksword, when u insert the dvd... does it auto mount? icon appear on desktop?
[08:08] <darksword> no
[08:08] <jladage> Can anyone point me to a good how-to on installing ubuntu with dual boot on a powerbook?
[08:08] <darksword> and i can't mount myself either
[08:08] <socomm> darksword: ummm have you tried more than one DVD?
[08:08] <darksword> yes
[08:08] <socomm> darksword: did you mount with sudo?
[08:08] <darksword> nope
[08:08] <jiyuu0> darksword, how about cd?
[08:08] <darksword> right click on media and mount
[08:09] <socomm> darksword: to mount *anything* you need super user privileges.
[08:09] <darksword> ive tried 2 -R 1 +R multissesion and after 1 -R only one session
[08:09] <socomm> darksword: you need to mount as sudo.
[08:09] <gson> gah i hate xine! probs with fullscreen all the time
[08:11] <darksword> root@darksword:/home/darksword # mount /media/cdrom
[08:11] <darksword> mount: Aucun medium trouv
[08:12] <darksword> curently it's a BulkPaq +R dvd one session burn with deepBurner on win2k
[08:13] <socomm> darksword: does it mount at all?
[08:13] <darksword> socomm ?
[08:14] <socomm> darksword: is that error in english?
[08:14] <darksword> hum in english : no media found
[08:14] <socomm> darksword: try another disk, maybe a store bought movie.
[08:15] <socomm> darksword: shouldn't be /media/dvd or something
[08:15] <darksword> i don't know
[08:15] <jiyuu0> darksword, how drives do u have?
[08:15] <darksword> only one
[08:15] <palle> hi i need some help
[08:15] <jiyuu0> ls -l /media/cdrom
[08:15] <socomm> darksword: `cd /media && ls'
[08:15] <palle> with my ubuntu linux
[08:16] <socomm> darksword: check what entries are there.
[08:16] <socomm> palle: just ask your questions
[08:16] <palle> i wan't all my windowsdrives mounted automatically when i start ubuntu linux, how do i do?
[08:16] <darksword> root@darksword:/media # ls -l /media/cdrom
[08:16] <darksword> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            6 2004-11-20 16:08 /media/ cdrom -> cdrom0
[08:17] <jiyuu0> palle, look for windows section at http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html
[08:17] <palle> okay, thnx
[08:17] <socomm> darksword: did you run myy command?
[08:17] <darksword> socomm, root@darksword:/media/cdrom0 # cd /media && ls
[08:17] <darksword> cdrom  cdrom0  floppy  floppy0
[08:18] <jiyuu0> darksword, try put in a normal cd then mount
[08:18] <socomm> darksword: try mounting on cdrom0
[08:18] <darksword> for a cd it's ok
[08:19] <calamari-> re's
[08:19] <calamari-> is there a list somewhere of the software available on the install cd?
[08:20] <Kamion> .list files next to the .iso have the filenames
[08:20] <Kamion> uh, who's running the rabidbt bot please?
[08:20] <calamari-> Kamion: sorry, should have specified that I don't yet have the cd
[08:21] <Kamion> 19:20 [Freenode]  -rabidbt(~rabidbt@<IP_ADDRESS>)- Kamion: Error: No such plugin 'filesnexttothe.isohavethefilenames' exists.
[08:21] <jiyuu0> calamari-, go distrowatch
[08:21] <Kamion> calamari-: I meant on the download sites
[08:21] <Kamion> I should try to get some more human-readable list up from germinate output at some point
[08:21] <jiyuu0> http://distrowatch.com/ubuntu
[08:22] <Cred> Hello. How can I get GD lib supported on Apache2?
[08:22] <socomm> calamari-: on the FTP sever, should be in the same directory as the ISO image.
[08:22] <Cred> Can't find the module..
[08:22] <calamari-> thanks everyone :)
[08:22] <calamari-> you guys are all very helpful, and I really appreciate it
[08:22] <darksword> jiyuu0, with a cd : root@darksword:/media # mount /cdrom     ---> cd is mounted and i can read content
[08:23] <jiyuu0> darksword, u r trying to read a burnt dvd right?
[08:24] <darksword> yeah
[08:24] <jiyuu0> could it be media prob?
[08:24] <jiyuu0> i encounter burnt cd probs b4
[08:24] <jladage> any mac users in here?
[08:24] <jiyuu0> but weird thing is on windows seems fine
[08:24] <jiyuu0> same machine
[08:24] <Mabus> is there a package-queue or "these packages will soon be upgraded" list somewhere ?
[08:24] <Mabus> (I'm thinking specifically about thunderbird 0.9)
[08:24] <s0cks> Jiyuu0 : Get the CD request systems cds. Never read you entire enquiry, but hey...
[08:25] <jiyuu0> what is CD request systems cds?
[08:25] <darksword> hum i 'll try with star wars dvd :)
[08:25] <jiyuu0> darksword, episode 3?
[08:25] <jiyuu0> hehe
[08:27] <darksword> arf
[08:27] <darksword> root@darksword:/media # mount /cdrom
[08:27] <darksword> mount: Aucun medium trouv
[08:27] <maskie> Mabus, if you use Warty no packages will be upgraded except for security reasons
[08:27] <Kamion> Mabus: no, just bugzilla for packages that need merge work done
[08:27] <darksword> ouned by choubaka
[08:27] <treeSnake> got things to work. it should be ready for use tomorrow.
[08:28] <jiyuu0> darksword, may the force be wif u
[08:28] <treeSnake> is there a channel for ubuntu-se?
[08:28] <kent> Is there a public schedule for Hoary somewhere? Like, package-freeze, etc. Kind of like the one Fedora have?
[08:29] <jiyuu0> just to make sure... choubaka u sure ur player dvd???
[08:29] <kent> treeSnake, ubuntu-se as in a swedish channel?
[08:29] <jladage> join #ubuntu-mac
[08:30] <jladage> nope sorry
[08:30] <darksword> on http://tuxmobil.org/asus_l3800c_e.html i see it have to be ok
[08:31] <treeSnake> kent: jupp.
[08:32] <treeSnake> is this kent from the north?
[08:33] <jiyuu0> darksword, have u tried on the same machine running windows and able to read the DVD?
[08:33] <gson> jiyuu0 hm still have probs with w32codec:/
[08:33] <jiyuu0> gson, what prob?
[08:33] <gson> works with 1 episode
[08:33] <gson> gtkxine: video driver w32codec failed. <-
[08:33] <dark`eat`choubak> hum i'm only on ubuntu
[08:34] <dark`eat`choubak> be back in a few min
[08:34] <gson> the new naruto episodes doesnt work:(
[08:35] <jiyuu0> gson, have u apt-get it?
[08:35] <jiyuu0> what format u playing?
[08:35] <skeff> It seems all apps compiled for GTK+ 1.x or something looks like shit, I guess because of lack of themes or something for GTK 1.. how to fix this?
[08:35] <jiyuu0> gson, which episode?
[08:35] <gson> 110-111
[08:35] <kent> treeSnake, what do you meen with Kent from the north?  But yes, im from sweden :)
[08:35] <gson> .avi
[08:35] <jiyuu0> wah... i haven download 111
[08:36] <gson> hehe its one big episode, 2 in 1:)
[08:36] <gson> [DB] _Naruto_110-111_[1D18E613] .avi
[08:36] <jiyuu0> have u try playing it with mplayer?
[08:36] <treeSnake> kent: i was sort of hoping that it was a kent i know from the very north of sweden, that's all.
[08:41] <jiyuu0> sometimes xine not work but mplayer does
[08:41] <gson> gxine -V w32codec
[08:41] <kent> treeSnake, I live in Malmo, so its not the north of sweden.
[08:41] <gson> well, my synaptic can just find 2 different mplayers, but i think that its the wrong one:)
[08:41] <jiyuu0> gson, i'm not using gxine... but xine-ui
[08:41] <gson> kej
[08:41] <gson> works fine ?
[08:41] <jiyuu0> gson, the custom version
[08:41] <incandescant> hi, i have found my way here from ubuntulinux.com
[08:41] <gson> oki doki, i installing now
[08:41] <incandescant> can anyone help me with a dbus/hal/gvm problem please?
[08:41] <gson> 0.99-1-1 ?
[08:41] <treeSnake> kent: not really, no. i'm at least a thousand kms north of you.
[08:41] <gson> 0.99.1-1 ?:)
[08:41] <gson> that one jiyuu0 ? xine-ui 0.99.1-1
[08:41] <jiyuu0> yub
[08:41] <gson> nice nice
[08:41] <jiyuu0> if u p4 install also mplayer-custom
[08:41] <jiyuu0> just in case both xine cannot work then go command with mplayer
[08:41] <gson> ye
[08:41] <jiyuu0> too bad the package in the repository not working properly
[08:41] <gson> have you seeen bleach 8 ?
[08:41] <jiyuu0> nope
[08:41] <gson> so nice :)
[08:41] <jiyuu0> nowadays hardly got time to watch things
[08:41] <gson> oh that sux
[08:41] <jiyuu0> now it's like 3:41am and i am stil here
[08:41] <gson> heh
[08:41] <gson> 20.00 here in swe
[08:42] <jiyuu0> malaysia here
[08:42] <gson> nice:D
[08:42] <jiyuu0> ok... i think i better go bed...else tomolo zombie
[08:42] <gson> hah:)
[08:42] <gson> ye
[08:42] <jiyuu0> nite
[08:42] <gson> nite nite
[08:44] <incandescant> anyone wanna help a newb get to grips with proj utopia please?
[08:44] <WebMaven> Any Python users here?
[08:45] <WebMaven> I'm doing some experimentation and am having a few dependecy problems.
[08:46] <JDahl> WebMaven, I use python
[08:47] <WebMaven> specifically, wax (a pythonic wrapper around wxPython) is saying that 'This version of Wax requires wxPython <IP_ADDRESS>', but that *is* the version installed.
[08:47] <JDahl> WebMaven, I dont know about that
[08:48] <WebMaven> Go to http://zephyrfalcon.org/download/
[08:48] <WebMaven> get wax-0.2.39.zip
[08:48] <JDahl> yes sir!
[08:48] <Cody_> Hello everyone
[08:48] <Mabus> Kamion: thanks
[08:49] <WebMaven> extract the wax folder to your desktop
[08:49] <Cody_> I use fedora core but heard about this ubuntu linux... is it essentially just a slim and easier debian?
[08:49] <WebMaven> then oipen a root terminal and mv Desktop/wax /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages
[08:50] <JDahl> WebMaven, I am working... and I dont have a particular interest in wxPython. Sorry I cant help you
[08:50] <WebMaven> JDahl, OK. Thanks anyway.
[08:51] <WebMaven> JDahl, what do you use Python for?
[08:52] <JDahl> WebMaven, numerical optimization
[08:56] <mig> Hi!
[08:56] <WebMaven> Anyone here use wxPython at all?
[08:57] <incandescant> bummer
[08:58] <gauckler> Hello.
[09:00] <palle_> how do i change to root access i wan't to be able to write to /usr/local
[09:00] <gauckler> sudo -s
[09:02] <palle> okay, but i wan't to have root rights while in the xwindow so i don't have to use the terminal so much
[09:03] <palle> is that possible?
[09:03] <gauckler> well. you could start x as root, but you shouldn't. why to have a shell and work from there as root?
[09:04] <alexander> hello
[09:04] <Mabus> a sudo executed in the X session will "hold" a couple of minutes, iirc
[09:04] <gauckler> actually even this ppl say you shouldn't do. you should log in as user and for command requiring root priviledges, you shoud type "sudo command"
[09:04] <alexander> what is ubuntu based on?
[09:04] <Mabus> debian
[09:04] <alexander> interesting
[09:04] <jiyuu0> palle, http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#allowrootlogingnome
[09:04] <alexander> i just got a package from switzerland containing 10 cds
[09:04] <alexander> how is this being paid for?
[09:05] <Mabus> you are - you have to do community service if you ever visit switzerland or southern africa.
[09:05] <palle> why should i use sudo so much then? that is so annoying, i want to use the file explorer to copy files that's so much faster then writing all the time...
[09:05] <Mabus> palle: use another OS.
[09:05] <Mabus> s/OS/distro
[09:05] <palle> i guess i could use mandrake
[09:06] <alexander> oh
[09:06] <jiyuu0> palle, u can set root on
[09:06] <alexander> dude
[09:06] <ogra> palle: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:06] <alexander> just do sudo su
[09:06] <alexander> lol
[09:06] <ogra> hi all
[09:06] <gauckler> alexander/mabus: whats the relation of ubuntu and switzerland?
[09:06] <fabbione> alexander: did you order these CDs?
[09:06] <alexander> fabbione: yes i did
[09:06] <Mabus> gauckler: nothing :) the CDs are shipped from switzerland.
[09:06] <ogra> hehe
[09:06] <palle> okay, thnx
[09:06] <fabbione> alexander: that's it.. you don't have to pay
[09:06] <pepsi_> i never got my CDs
[09:06] <pepsi_> wtf is up with that
[09:06] <ogra> Mabus: mine were from belgium :)
[09:06] <imaek> Hello.
[09:06] <Mabus> gauckler: nothing afaik, though - some developers could be based there, I have no clue.
[09:07] <alexander> i ordered them more than a month ago and i jsut got them
[09:07] <fabbione> pepsi_: read the FAQ
[09:07] <alexander> i think a company does it
[09:07] <fabbione> alexander: yes.. it takes sometime
[09:07] <alexander> not individual developers by the look of it
[09:07] <alexander> but i was happily surprised
[09:07] <fabbione> alexander: yes.. there is a company
[09:07] <Mabus> alexander: that's not what I said.
[09:07] <imaek> I am trying to help a friend set up Ubuntu with Dialup, and there is no modem.
[09:07] <fabbione> Mabus: stop trolling
[09:07] <pepsi_> the topic says CDs ordered before Nov 12th have been shipped
[09:07] <Mabus> fabbione: sorry
[09:08] <alexander> yeah i know I don't have to pay. I just wondered who actually puts down the dough. this seems pretty expensive
[09:08] <fabbione> pepsi_: if you live in the north pole, it does not take 2 days to get them
[09:08] <pepsi_> uhm
[09:08] <fabbione> alexander: Canonical did
[09:08] <pepsi_> what?
[09:08] <tost> hey guys, i have a problem with ubuntu
[09:08] <imaek> Anyone know anything about modem configuration?
[09:08] <gauckler> imaek: no, please tell me if you find out
[09:08] <alexander> fabbione: ah ok. i see the "trademark canonical" thing on the box
[09:09] <fabbione> pepsi_: mine were shipped the 8th of Nov.. but i live in the middle of nowhere... i know i will get them 2 days after hoary is out :-)
[09:09] <fabbione> just be patience
[09:09] <tost> i cant startx as user, it always says i havent the rights to do that
[09:09] <tost> how can i change this ?
[09:09] <Kamion> Mabus: I don't believe any Canonical staff are based in Switzerland; probably just some delivery company
[09:09] <ogra> imaek: either sudo pppconfig in a terminal or the network tool from the computer menu
[09:10] <ogra> tost: did you install k3b before ?
[09:10] <gauckler> ogra: I'm missing the network tool. do you know the name of the package?
[09:10] <tost> k3b ?
[09:10] <wood1> How do I export or edit my "sudoers" file using Emacs instead of visudo ?
[09:10] <tost> k3b is a cd writing programm (www.k3b.org)
[09:11] <ogra> tost: a kde burning app that changes the rights of a certain file ..... you cant login on x anymore then
[09:11] <ploggin> hi
[09:11] <ploggin> need some help
[09:11] <ploggin> lets see...
[09:11] <pepsi_> hrm
[09:11] <pepsi_> it said it shipped my cds
[09:11] <pepsi_> so i guess i just wait
[09:11] <fabbione> pepsi_: correct
[09:11] <Kamion> wood1: EDITOR=emacs visudo
[09:11] <ogra> gauckler: its in the computer menu, it belongs to the ubuntu default setup
[09:11] <Kamion> wood1: I'm sure I gave you this answer the other day
[09:11] <pepsi_> but then im gunna want to order hoary cds
[09:11] <alexander> hmm
[09:12] <ploggin> in GRUB i have 3 different 'versions' i can run, i have a kernel for 386, for 686 and for 686-smp
[09:12] <tost> ogra, no i installed ubuntu, and then gdm and x doesnt start, so i edit the files but then i havent the right to startx... and ~/.Xauthority is empty
[09:12] <Kamion> pepsi_: you won't be able to order those for quite some time
[09:12] <alexander> how long does livecd usually take to boot?
[09:12] <ploggin> i want to remove two of them
[09:12] <ploggin> what shall i do?
[09:12] <fabbione> alexander: it depends from your machine
[09:12] <wood1> Yes you did, I am sorry that I forgot it, Kamion
[09:12] <fabbione> alexander: here 3/4 minutes (old box)
[09:12] <gauckler> ogra: I read about it in the wiki, but I cannot find it unter "Computer"->"Systemconfiguration"
[09:12] <alexander> mine is taking quite a while for a pentium 4
[09:12] <ogra> tost: why did you install gdm later ? it should be there by default
[09:13] <fabbione> alexander: there should be a progress bar
[09:13] <alexander> yeah i know
[09:13] <ploggin> any ideas?
[09:13] <alexander> its done almost
[09:13] <tost> yeah i told it, i installed ubuntu, and started it, but then it doesnt start x and gdm , because of problems
[09:13] <toptnc> hi
[09:13] <alexander> maybe there is something wrong w/ my cdrom drive
[09:14] <alexander> it doesn't sound very pretty
[09:14] <tost> so edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and after this i hadnt the rights to startx as user
[09:14] <ogra> ploggin: just uninstall them, the package manager cares for the grub entrys then
[09:15] <tost> it told me , that there is a mistake in ~/.Xauthority ... how can i edit this file ?
[09:15] <wood1> You don't have to edit .Xauthority
[09:15] <wood1> Just change it owner and group to your Username
[09:15] <tost> wood1, what ?
[09:15] <ploggin> ogra: i tried with apt-get remove packages i didn't want
[09:16] <ploggin> they dissappeared
[09:16] <ploggin> but i can still run those options
[09:16] <kent> do some one know about a script for nautilus that handles mounting of .iso's as lookback? it would be nice if i could install that for in my brothers computer, so that i wount have to ask him go to the terminal..
[09:16] <tost> chown -R user /home ?
[09:16] <gauckler> ogra: I read about it in the wiki, but I cannot find it unter "Computer"->"Systemconfiguration"
[09:16] <ogra> tost: sudo chown $USER.$USER ~/.Xauthority
[09:16] <wood1> tost, chown user .Xauthority
[09:16] <SuperQ> anyone know anything about bluetooth stuff?
[09:16] <tost> which one ?
[09:16] <wood1> then chgrp user .Xauthority
[09:17] <darksword> thx for help jiyuu0
[09:17] <darksword> i've to shoot myself with a monkey :)
[09:17] <ogra> ploggin: use synaptic and search the linux-image packages.... they should get removed automatically in grubs menu.lst
[09:17] <wood1> for your Username that you created when you install the Ubuntu distro
[09:17] <darksword> cya
[09:17] <tost> wood1, at first chown user .Xauthority and then chgrp user .Xauthority ?
[09:17] <imaek> Anyone know anything about configuring modems?
[09:17] <wood1> Yes tost, that's it
[09:17] <ogra> gauckler: what do you have in this menu ? are you using warty ?
[09:18] <tost> ah thx
[09:18] <alexander> ooh this is very nice
[09:18] <alexander> great work
[09:18] <ploggin> ogra: ok, found them :D
[09:18] <ogra> ploggin: good :)
[09:18] <fabbione> alexander: thanks
[09:19] <ploggin> ogra: thanks ;)
[09:19] <gauckler> ogra: yes, warty. 5 items: screen resolution, printer, logon manager, hardware manager, packet manager (translated from german)
[09:19] <ogra> imaek: either sudo pppconfig in a terminal or the network tool from the computer menu
[09:19] <imaek> Does't work.
[09:19] <imaek> :\
[09:20] <ogra> gauckler: thats strange...it is in the default setup..... wait....
[09:20] <imaek> Oh
[09:20] <imaek> Now it does. :x
[09:20] <ploggin> oh, just another thing
[09:21] <ploggin> when ubuntu starts i get this window that shows 'nautilus is loading' etc, how can i change that window?
[09:21] <ogra> gauckler: look if gnome-system-tools is installed..... did you tweak your system in any way ?
[09:22] <ploggin> it's the window that appears once you enter user and pass, before everything is loaded
[09:22] <ogra> ploggin: the splash screen ?
[09:22] <ogra> ploggin: ahh, the login screen
[09:22] <ploggin> splash
[09:22] <ploggin> how do i change it?
[09:23] <gauckler> ogra: apt-get install gnome-system-tools -> its now being installed.
[09:23] <ogra> ploggin: in the gconf-editor from applications->system tools
[09:24] <kent> Im getting the error "Not a directory" when i try to mount a iso on my brothers computer. Whats wrong? I _know_ that the directory exists that i want to mount it to. I have tried more then one..  i still get the same strange message. Its a dvd-iso, does that matter? or are they treated as all other isos? like, mount -o loop..
[09:24] <ogra> ploggin: look in apps/gnome-session
[09:24] <gauckler> ogra: thanks a lot. I had this tool before, but I don't know how it disappeard.
[09:25] <ploggin> great
[09:25] <ploggin> thanks once again ogra ;)
[09:25] <ogra> :)
[09:29] <Rene_S> Woot got my Ubuntu CD in the mail. It came with a livecd and reg one very cool
[09:29] <wood1> Can anyone help me with my smb Network problem ?
[09:29] <wood1> I can't browse my Windows Workgroup Network
[09:30] <palle> any knows a program i can play mp3's with in linux?
[09:31] <SuperQ> hrm
[09:31] <SuperQ> palle: yes, many
[09:31] <SuperQ> palle: under the media menu in ubuntu there is a music player
[09:31] <palle> i tried to download winamp but there was an exe-file in the package
[09:31] <wood1> xmms should do it for the MP3 thing
[09:31] <SuperQ> palle: hahahaha
[09:31] <Rene_S> Rythmbox, Beep, XMMS, Amarok, pick one.
[09:31] <wood1> palle,    apt-get install xmms
[09:31] <ogra> palle: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:32] <wood1> sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:32] <SuperQ> palle: .exe files are for windows, not ubuntu
[09:32] <wood1> that's it for the MP3 thing
[09:32] <ogra> palle: read the wiki page, there are several hints
[09:33] <palle> yeah i noticed that here is a music player but it didn't work with mp3's?
[09:33] <ogra> palle: its described on the wiki
[09:33] <palle> okay, thnx
[09:34] <wood1> Anybody who can help me with the problem in Network browsing ?
[09:34] <ironwolf> palle: install gstreamer0.8-mad then try with music-player
[09:34] <gauckler> .. back..
[09:34] <dablitz> help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:35] <wood1> dablitz , what is it ????
[09:35] <palle> gstreamer0.8-mad (for MP3 decoding)
[09:35] <palle> gstreamer0.8-lame (for MP3 encoding) (in cerkinfo repository
[09:35] <ironwolf> palle: did installing xmms work?
[09:35] <dablitz> last night i tried installing the synaptic touchpad from the wiki howto, and it messed up my display
[09:35] <palle> where are those files then?
[09:35] <marcelcole> Hello?
[09:35] <dablitz> running my laptop now from the ubuntu live cd
[09:35] <gauckler> ogra: this network tools doesn't work. it cannot take down the wireless interface.
[09:35] <marcelcole> Anyone have any experience with modems on ubuntu?
[09:35] <ogra> palle: read it... the add universe
[09:36] <ogra> then
[09:36] <rip024> I like that boot disk I crashed it once now I'll try again
[09:36] <dablitz> how can i fix this, i managed to pullup the howto to change things back, but need root permission to do it
[09:36] <wood1> Well you don't need the root permission
[09:36] <wood1> just use the one you provided
[09:36] <kent> Are there any difference when i mount an iso ripped from a dvd and a iso ripped from a normal cd?  Or are the syntax the same to mount?
[09:36] <dablitz> so what do I do?
[09:36] <ironwolf> dablitz: sudo is your friend.
[09:36] <marcelcole> How do I setup my modem/dial-up connection on ubunut?
[09:36] <palle> ogra: i read it but all it says is what i wrote there, nothing about where i can download the files or anything
[09:37] <dablitz> it asks for a password when I sudo
[09:37] <wood1> sudo pppconfig should do the modem trick
[09:37] <gauckler> dablitz: your logon password
[09:37] <ironwolf> dablitz: enter your logon password
[09:37] <wood1> well just type root
[09:37] <ogra> palle: there is a link to a detailed explaination on installing packages
[09:37] <dablitz> i will try it
[09:37] <marcelcole> wood1 - That should make my modem work properly?
[09:37] <pere_> I messed up the bottom panel. When I added a new panel, I no longer see my running/minimised programs. Any way to get that back?
[09:38] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu is awesome. :D
[09:38] <wood1> Well if it's an external modem, I am sure your modem will work 99 %
[09:38] <Quest-Master> Just installed it.. really nice.
[09:38] <ogra> palle: in the section MP3 and Windows Media Audio
[09:38] <Rene_S> pere click on your new panel
[09:38] <Rene_S> right click
[09:38] <Rene_S> then add to panel
[09:39] <Quest-Master> Since I have so much server space and bandwidth left, most of it is unused
[09:39] <tvon|x31> dang, cant baz be written in python or something?
[09:39] <Quest-Master> I just wonder how much traffic there'll be
[09:39] <Rene_S> Scroll down the box and look for window list
[09:39] <gauckler> tvon|x31: are you using a x31? I just bought one..
[09:39] <pere_> Rene_S:Ahh.. great. Thank you!
[09:40] <tvon|x31> gauckler: yup.  I'm mighty happy with it, thoug the x40 is bulit better
[09:40] <Rene_S> pere_, your welcome, expect my bill in the mail
[09:40] <pere_> :)
[09:40] <gauckler> tvon|x31: but also a bit more expensive.. I had a hard time getting the suspend working the last few days. now i am glad it works...
[09:41] <tvon|x31> gauckler: honestly I've had the thing for a year and I havent spent much time trying to get suspend/sleep working.  at one point it wokred fine, lately not so much
[09:42] <wood1> Anybody here, my problem is with samba networking
[09:42] <Rene_S> hehe, you think thats bad, I still have no idea how to make my sensors work
[09:42] <gauckler> wood1: what's the problem?
[09:43] <wood1> Well since updating to Hoary, I have not been able to browse my Windows Workgroup Network
[09:43] <ogra> wood1: hmm, hoary.....
[09:44] <gauckler> wood1: dunno about the difference warty/hoary. but i know that you have to be careful setting the encryption mode of the passwords (encrypted vs plaintext)
[09:44] <gauckler> tvon|x31: did you get the modem working?
[09:44] <ogra> gauckler: warty is the stable branch, hoary is in steady development and breaks form time to time
[09:44] <wood1> Well my other PC with Warty works without no problem, it's just the Hoary PC which does not work in Network Browsing
[09:45] <drac> it's like woody and sarge
[09:45] <wood1> There PCs of the Network are there but I can access them from the Machine with Hoary
[09:45] <drac> :)
[09:45] <ogra> drac: not at all
[09:46] <ogra> drac:  more like a released sarge and sid :)
[09:46] <drac> excuse me for my mistake, so it ain't like woody and sarge ;)
[09:46] <wood1> Well the smb.conf file of both the Machines using Warty and Hoary are the same. I really don't know why Hoary is not working for Network browsng
[09:46] <gauckler> wood1: have you tried to connect without browsing?
[09:46] <tvon|x31> gauckler: spent a little time trying to get the modem up without any luck, though at one point I could use my cellphone via usb and gprs when I needed a connection
[09:46] <drac> but sid is that kid that always want to break all the toys !!!!
[09:46] <alka_trash> wood1: I had the same thing, reboot and then it worked  :)
[09:46] <jazzka> comes ubuntu with any tool to practice programming in perl?
[09:47] <tvon|x31> perl
[09:47] <ogra> drac: yep
[09:47] <crimsun> jazzka: perl is available, as are any number of editors
[09:47] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[09:47] <wood1> Well I have rebooted it several times
[09:47] <crimsun> jazzka: you'll find perl references online fairly helpful
[09:47] <gauckler> tvon|x31: this would be an option for me to (ir+gprs). any hints on how to do this?
[09:48] <tvon|x31> gauckler: depends on your phone.  I found pretty specific information for my phone t68i), just google for "phonename linux"
[09:48] <ogra> wood1: its linux...... no need for reboots.....execpt you change kernel stuff
[09:48] <wood1> gauckler, what exactly do you mean by trying to connect without browsing, I really don't understand the question, forgive me for that
[09:49] <ogra> wood1: try ctrl-L in nautilus, the type smb://hostname/sharename
[09:49] <wood1> Well I know, I was just replying to the other question that rebooting works for network browsing
[09:49] <wood1> Well I have done that but it still refuses to work, ogra
[09:50] <gauckler> wood1: with smbclient you can try to connect to other machines if you know the ip and the sharename
[09:50] <wood1> even the IP address does not work
[09:50] <ogra> wood1: from where to where does what work .... and what not....
[09:50] <wood1> Well I can get to the part of the IP name
[09:51] <wood1> I can see the PCs and their shares, it's exactly the shares that I can't access to
[09:51] <ogra> wood1: you can browse the shares on the hoary box from warty ?
[09:51] <calamari-> just curious.. what does Applications > Accessories > Text Editor point to?  Is it nano?
[09:51] <wood1> It's gedit
[09:51] <ploggin> ogra: about the splash image
[09:51] <wood1> calamari
[09:51] <ogra> wood1: and you cant browse/access the shares form hoary to warty ?
[09:52] <calamari-> wood1: thanks
[09:52] <ogra> ploggin: yep
[09:52] <wood1> I can't
[09:52] <ploggin> should the image i want be in a certain folder o r can i put it in home for example
[09:52] <calamari-> how about Applications > Multimedia > Music Player (hopefully xmms?)
[09:52] <wood1> It's not xmms
[09:52] <ogra> wood1: but the other way works ?
[09:52] <ogra> calamari-: xmms ?
[09:53] <ploggin> ogra: know what i mean?
[09:53] <marcelcole> wood1 - I got through the pppconfig wizard alright (the wizard wouldn't detect my modem so I had to set it manually), and what am I supposed to do after the wizard?
[09:53] <calamari-> ogra: xmms is a nifty sound player.. I like it
[09:53] <ploggin> damn, wikipage
[09:53] <ploggin> sorry i forgot
[09:53] <wood1> No ogra, the network browsing problem is not about the shares between Warty and Hoary
[09:53] <ogra> ploggin: /usr/share/pixmaps
[09:53] <ploggin> ok :D
[09:53] <ploggin> thanks
[09:54] <calamari-> is all this info on a wiki page?  I hate to ask FAQ's
[09:54] <wood1> It's about the Windows 9x and Windows NT machines on my Workgroup Network
[09:54] <ogra> wood1: ahh.... this was not clear to me
[09:54] <wood1> So any solutions ???
[09:54] <jdub> wasabi: do you have a 'Windows Networking' icon in the Network view at all?
[09:54] <ogra> calamari-: its way old....
[09:54] <ogra> calamari-: xmms i mean
[09:54] <calamari-> ogra: oic
[09:54] <wasabi> jdub: hmm?
[09:54] <wasabi> oh i see
[09:55] <wasabi> tab complete.
[09:55] <jdub> oh
[09:55] <ironwolf> calamari: music player != xmms
[09:55] <calamari-> ogra: what does ubuntu give me?
[09:55] <jdub> wood1: do you have a 'Windows Networking' icon in the Network view at all?
[09:55] <ogra> calamari-: rhythmbox
[09:55] <calamari-> ironwolf: hmm, weird.. worked for me in debian to play mp3s hehe
[09:55] <jugon> rep
[09:55] <wood1> I have the Windows Networking icon
[09:55] <jdub> hrm, then i'm not sure.
[09:55] <jdub> are you fully upgraded and so on?
[09:55] <wood1> I can access the Windows PCs but I can't access their shares
[09:55] <ogra> wood1: what happens then, any error ?
[09:56] <wood1> Well I am fully updated
[09:56] <calamari-> ogra: thanks
[09:56] <wood1> Hoary just waits and waits forever to access the Windows shares
[09:56] <ogra> calamari-: for mp3 playback see also this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:56] <wood1> But Warty gets access to the Windows Shares at once
[09:57] <calamari-> ogra: I think I'll get xmms.. I like its interface since I'm so used to WinAmp
[09:57] <ogra> calamari-: then better take beep-media-player its the successor
[09:58] <calamari-> ok
[10:00] <jdub> wood1: remember that hoary is in development, and in particular, has gnome devel branch packages
[10:00] <Fwiffo> Does anyone know the status for UTF-8 on Xorg in Hoary at the moment?
[10:00] <Fwiffo> I'm still getting alot of warnings when using a UTF-8 locale
[10:01] <wood1> Well Hoary should work for network browsing,
[10:02] <ogra> wood1: why ? if someone works on the network libs it probably wont.....its hoary....
[10:02] <jdub> wood1: there's no guarantee that hoary will work for anything :-)
[10:04] <RuffianSoldier> man, when are theses Ubuntu CDs going to arive :-(
[10:05] <ironwolf> hoary is fun, but indeed there is no guarrenty that anything will work.
[10:05] <wood1> Hoary is the latest cut-edge distribution
[10:05] <wood1> Everything which works for Warty should work for Hoary if not better
[10:05] <Fwiffo> whoops, never mind - I can see bug #3645 is pending upload, and it looks a lot like my problem :o)
[10:05] <ironwolf> woodl: hoary is bleeding edge... sometimes we get cut. :(
[10:05] <ogra> wood1: hoary is a development beast
[10:05] <wfx> ogra: beep and xmms are bugy for me (sometimes the are crash and my playlist doe no longer work)
[10:05] <jdub> wood1: hoary is the development branch. right now it's pre-alpha, pre-beta, pre-preview, pre-release, etc.
[10:06] <ogra> wfx: thats why i take rhythmbox :)
[10:06] <jdub> wood1: as is gnome 2.9.
[10:06] <wood1> Well, what am I suppose to do now, my brothers and sisters, switch Hoary back to Warty ?
[10:06] <mass> looks like mdnsresponder is missing?
[10:06] <gauckler> gnome browser: can I configure it so that a click on a folder opens the folder in the same window, instead of opening a new one?
[10:06] <jdub> if you just want to use your system, and not test for the next release, yeah, warty's the way to go.
[10:06] <jdub> mass: it's there
[10:07] <wfx> ogra: this one doe not play sid or mod tune
[10:07] <ogra> gauckler: use shift on doubleclick
[10:07] <Amaranth> I don't think you can downgrade.
[10:07] <wfx> i buy a "s"
[10:07] <gauckler> ogra: thx
[10:07] <mass> jdub: its hiding from meee
[10:07] <ogra> gauckler: or middleclick
[10:07] <jdub> mass: it's in universe
[10:07] <wood1> Well you might be right, I should just use Warty for my serious work and use Hoary as a test machine
[10:08] <kent> whats the name of that virtual package that installs gcc and stuff?
[10:08] <gauckler> rhythmbox cannot play mp3s, do I have to install a decode?
[10:08] <ogra> wood1: thats what its good for currently.....
[10:08] <wood1> Anyway, it was nice to discuss these kinds of things and ideas with people like all of you here in the Chatroom
[10:08] <jdub> kent: build-essential
[10:08] <kent> jdub, thanks :)
[10:08] <ogra> gauckler: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:08] <wfx> a typical faq ;-)
[10:09] <palle> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[10:09] <palle> See `config.log' for more details.
[10:09] <palle> what does this mean?
[10:09] <ogra> palle: see jdubs last line..... to kent
[10:09] <pridkett> palle: if means you need to install gcc
[10:09] <wood1> By the way, do you know any other great websites or links for Ubuntu Linux
[10:10] <wood1> besides the current featured links at Ubuntu's webpage ?
[10:10] <palle> i just logged back in here, so i can't see what jdub wrote
[10:10] <ogra> palle: oops, you just logged in.... build-essential is the pkg
[10:10] <palle> how do i install gcc then?
[10:10] <pridkett> palle: apt-get install build-essential
[10:10] <wfx> it would be nice when ubuntu show the faq (nvidia, mp3, ...) anywhere on first start
[10:11] <socomm> Pffft, who needs nVidia or MP3z.
[10:11] <ogra> wood1: sites with software ? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[10:11] <palle> pridkett should i write that in a terminal?
[10:11] <epod> Hey, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my workstation at work, and when it gets to the part of the install where it extracts the network drivers package, it just repeats itself at 36% over and over...
[10:11] <crimsun> wfx: in the Applications menu there is About Ubuntu, and if you have a live Internet connection, you can browse right to the faq
[10:12] <mass> jdub: gnome-user-share is i hoary, but it has a dependancy in universe, thats why I was asking :)
[10:12] <Fwiffo> palle or install it using synaptic
[10:12] <pridkett> palle: you can "sudo apt-get install build-essential" or you can click on computer->system configuration->synaptic package manager and select build-essential
[10:12] <ogra> wood1: sites with artwork ?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityArtwork
[10:12] <jdub> mass: gnome-user-share itself is in universe :)
[10:13] <mass> jdub: Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main gnome-user-share 0.3-3 [15.8kB]
[10:13] <mass> :)
[10:13] <jdub> hrm, so it is... it shouldn't be
[10:13] <socomm> What is `gnome-user-share'?
[10:13] <wood1> thanks for the links, ogra
[10:14] <palle> ohhh thnx for the help...
[10:14] <jdub> socomm: easy, discoverable user level file sharing
[10:14] <jdub> socomm: it's rad
[10:14] <mass> socomm: User-level file public file sharing based on Apache, WebDAV, and zeroconf/rendezvous
[10:14] <ogra> wood1: one contains one to my own site, pure self-interst hehe
[10:14] <ogra> interest
[10:14] <pridkett> hey, anyone know why python-gtk doesn't ship with a pkg-config descriptor file?
[10:15] <socomm> Thanks.
[10:15] <crimsun> pridkett: ...why would it?
[10:15] <jdub> pridkett: that'd be in python-gtk2-dev, surely?
[10:15] <wfx> crimsun: thx i know it, it was only a idea to pop up a window with some info about the most prob/faq.
[10:15] <marcelcole> Hello
[10:15] <socomm> pridkett: the *.pc stuff usually comes with the dev package.
[10:15] <palle> configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[10:16] <palle> what does that mean then?
[10:16] <Quest-Master> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html#codecs <-- are the codecs not working or is it just my connection?
[10:16] <palle> how do i install glib?
[10:16] <pridkett> ahha.  Okay, that explains that.
[10:16] <ogra> palle: that you want to compile a gtk programm ?
[10:16] <socomm> palle: means you need to install glib development package.
[10:16] <ogra> palle: what exactly do you compile ?
[10:16] <palle> i am trying to compile xmms
[10:16] <crimsun> install libglib2.0-dev
[10:16] <crimsun> err
[10:17] <palle> so i can listen to mo3's
[10:17] <crimsun> install libglib1.2-dev
[10:17] <ogra> Quest-Master: take the package: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:17] <socomm> palle: you can install xmms via synaptic.
[10:17] <pridkett> It seems like it makes some sense to include the .pc files with the actual python pacakges as you can still develop with them without the dev package installed
[10:17] <ogra> palle: there is a ubuntu package for xmms
[10:17] <crimsun> xmms is in main
[10:17] <socomm> palle: are you trying to install the bleeding edge version of XMMS?
[10:18] <palle> hmmm, i don't know i got an url and i downloaded it
[10:18] <palle> http://www.xmms.org
[10:18] <ogra> palle: rather take the package :)
[10:18] <gauckler> whats a good video player? gmplayer?
[10:18] <socomm> palle: if you don't have a `good' reason to install the bleeding edge version, just go with the one in synaptic.
[10:18] <palle> where is the package?
[10:18] <ogra> gauckler: totem or totem-xine
[10:18] <pridkett> gauckler: totem
[10:19] <socomm> gauckler: mplayer.
[10:19] <ogra> palle: in synaptic
[10:19] <palle> how do i install the one i synaptic?
[10:19] <socomm> palle: just check the box left of the package and click the `apply' button.
[10:19] <ogra> palle: enable universe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[10:20] <ironwolf> smbclient/mount -t smbfs doesn't seem to work, ping does, seems to be XP-SP2 firewall, although it shows off in local area connection props-->advanced ... any clue where I look now?
[10:20] <Quest-Master> mplayer-586 <-- isn't this the package in the apt repository?
[10:20] <Quest-Master> apt-get says it isn't there
[10:20] <pridkett> Quest-Master: because it's not
[10:20] <Quest-Master> :o
[10:20] <socomm> Quest-Master: that's not on Ubuntus repo.
[10:20] <ogra> Quest-Master: read the wiki.....enable marillat
[10:21] <Quest-Master> Ah.
[10:21] <pridkett> Quest-Master: see the faq about restricted formats
[10:21] <Quest-Master> I see
[10:21] <ironwolf> Quest-Master: it's in Multiverse
[10:21] <ogra> ironwolf: the warty pkg is broken afaik
[10:22] <ironwolf> ogra: well I'm running hoary... and oddly it works with other M$ computers, most notably M$ 2000, but not m$ XP SP2
[10:22] <StarScream> just saw the screen shots for XFCE 4.2..looks amazing..how long would it take for a new package to appear in ubuntu?
[10:23] <JDahl> Quest-Master, you could also compile it from source... I've rarely seen a such a big package build so easily
[10:23] <ogra> ironwolf: but dont assume that everyone else is running it....some of us like stable systems :)
[10:23] <palle> okay, now there are like 10 different xmms which one should i install to be able to listen to mp3's?
[10:23] <Quest-Master> Once I add multiverse to the sources.list, can I just do it through apt-get normally?
[10:23] <palle> or probably mopre like 20-30
[10:23] <ironwolf> ogra: wouldn't ever dare to assume that ;)  I was just asking *if* anyone knew what to look for next.
[10:23] <ironwolf> Quest-Master: yes
[10:24] <socomm> Quest-Master: Yah.
[10:24] <Quest-Master> Woot.
[10:24] <gauckler> mplayer doesn't seem to work. do I have to download and self-compile?
[10:24] <ogra> ironwolf: hehe, i was thinking on your answer to Quest-Master the mplayer package in warty doesnt work
[10:24] <socomm> gauckler: did you install the right version?
[10:24] <palle> which xmms package should i install?
[10:24] <Quest-Master> apt-get is so much better than apt4rpm.
[10:24] <gauckler> MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.4
[10:24] <socomm> Quest-Master: You think?
[10:25] <tyran0> does ubuntu have gcc?
[10:25] <Fwiffo> palle: just the one named xmms
[10:25] <ogra> gauckler: from marillat ?
[10:25] <Quest-Master> socomm: Of course
[10:25] <ogra> tyran0: sure
[10:25] <ironwolf> ogra: *sigh* too many convos :)  warty MULTIVERSE has mplayer I was convinced.
[10:25] <tyran0> or what compiler does it have
[10:25] <sulkd> tyran0, yes but you have to install it manually.. "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[10:25] <tyran0> ahh
[10:25] <gauckler> marillat??? from the usual sources in sources.list
[10:25] <socomm> gauckler: I meant be sure you've downloaded the appropriate version for your processor.
[10:25] <ogra> ironwolf: a non working package, yes
[10:25] <palle> fwiffo: here is no1 named only xmms they are all named like xmms-something
[10:25] <Fwiffo> palle: if you just single click it you can read a description of what it is exactly
[10:26] <Fwiffo> hmmm
[10:26] <palle> swiffo: okay thnx
[10:26] <ogra> gauckler: see here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:26] <ironwolf> gauckler: marillat  = debian, multiverse = ubuntu try installing mplayer from multiverse.. or worst case, from hoary multiverse.
[10:26] <gauckler> Compiled for x86 CPU , and I have a P-M
[10:26] <Quest-Master> Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:26] <Quest-Master> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:26] <Quest-Master> is only available from another source
[10:26] <Quest-Master> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[10:26] <socomm> Quest-Master: apt-get update
[10:26] <ogra> Quest-Master: from marillat ?
[10:26] <gauckler> ironwolf: I'll try. might be that I caught the debian version..
[10:27] <Quest-Master> Yeah.
[10:27] <Quest-Master> I installed all of the other mplayer packages.
[10:27] <Quest-Master> mplayer-custom, mplayer-fonts, mozilla-mplayer.
[10:27] <Hikaru79> I have a network with 2 Ubuntu computers and 2 Windows ones. Each of the two Ubuntu computers can see the Windows network, but not each other. What could be wrong? =/
[10:27] <Fwiffo> palle: It will have the Ubuntu logo just to the left of the name if that is any help
[10:27] <socomm> Quest-Master: it installed fine here, a few moments ago.
[10:27] <ogra> Quest-Master: not from multiverse ....
[10:28] <palle> fwiffo: i don't have it! this is only plug-ins =(
[10:28] <socomm> where can I find mozilla-mplayer?
[10:28] <Quest-Master> Where from then?
[10:28] <Quest-Master> Do I need to add another repository?
[10:28] <Quest-Master> socomm: It's in the multiverse repos.
[10:28] <ogra> Quest-Master: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:28] <socomm> Quest-Master: link?
[10:29] <ogra> Quest-Master: read it
[10:29] <Quest-Master> Yeah, I added multiverse
[10:29] <wfx> :)
[10:29] <Fwiffo> palle: thats odd :(
[10:29] <ogra> Quest-Master: marillat
[10:29] <Quest-Master> Ah.
[10:30] <palle> fwiffo: ohh i just had to add another repositorie... thnx for the help
[10:30] <ogra> Quest-Master: w32codecs cant be provided from ubuntu.....
[10:30] <Fwiffo> palle: have you enabled Universe and Multiverse?
[10:30] <Fwiffo> palle: aaah great
[10:30] <socomm> ogra: Thanks for the link.
[10:31] <ogra> :)
[10:32] <Quest-Master> ogra: Yeah, I thought they were coming from multiverse
[10:32] <ogra> Quest-Master: unfortunately there is also a package in multiverse, but thats broken in warty....so take marillat...
[10:33] <Quest-Master> Yup, done.
[10:33] <Quest-Master> :)
[10:33] <Quest-Master> Now, onto XMMS.
[10:33] <ogra> Quest-Master: mplayer package i mean...i think w32 codecs will be a legal heavyweight to ship
[10:33] <wfx> ogra: how often this day you write "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats" ;-)
[10:34] <ogra> hehe
[10:34] <davidv> just received my Ubunti disks and tried the Live Eval disk.  seems to load fine but no output to my monitor.  i tried expert and safe mode too and no dispaly--any ideas?
[10:34] <wfx> if you say ubuntu you must also say http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ;-)
[10:35] <gauckler> wfx ;)
[10:35] <ogra> wfx: jep, its a thing that should be easier in hoary....lets see.....
[10:36] <davidv> just received my Ubuntu disks and tried the Live Eval disk.  seems to load fine but no output to my monitor.  i tried expert and safe mode too and no dispaly--any ideas?
[10:37] <pridkett> david: not to belittle you, but I usually double check if my monitor is plugged in at that point
[10:37] <davidv> good point but i just rebooted from suse linux and my monitor was fine there
[10:38] <davidv> has anybody in this channel had the same problem with Live Eval?
[10:38] <Quest-Master> Weird
[10:39] <Quest-Master> apt-get says XMMS is already installed
[10:39] <palle> if i installed xmms through synaptic how do i open it?
[10:39] <Quest-Master> But I can't find it in Applications -> Multimedia
[10:39] <ogra> Quest-Master: run it from a treminal
[10:39] <ogra> terminal
[10:39] <davidv> try /usr/bin/xmms in a terminal
[10:39] <Fwiffo> palle: it should be in Programs->Multimedia
[10:39] <Quest-Master> There it is
[10:40] <Quest-Master> Eww.. why does it use the old GTK?
[10:40] <ogra> Quest-Master: because its xmms
[10:40] <Quest-Master> On Suse it didn't
[10:40] <wfx> this is why beep live
[10:40] <pridkett> Quest-Master: You can try BEEP otherwise
[10:40] <ogra> Quest-Master: beep-media-player is its gtk2 version
[10:40] <Quest-Master> Ah
[10:40] <pridkett> Quest-Master: XMMS is a GTK only
[10:40] <davidv> just received my Ubuntu disks and tried the Live Eval disk.  seems to load fine but no output to my monitor.  i tried expert and safe mode too and no display--any ideas?
[10:41] <Quest-Master> Where is beep-media-player?
[10:41] <davidv> and yes, the monitor is plugged in (otherwise i couldn't see this)
[10:41] <palle> xmms is in /usr/bin can i make a shortcut or put it in the menu?
[10:41] <ogra> Quest-Master: unicerse
[10:41] <Quest-Master> Ok
[10:41] <ogra> universe
[10:42] <davidv> palle, right click the desktop, create new link to application
[10:42] <palle> okay, thnx...
[10:42] <ogra> palle: ctrl-L in nautilus and open applications://
[10:43] <ogra> palle: this way you can add them to the menu ....
[10:43] <palle> ogra: how do i get into nautilus?
[10:43] <ogra> palle: nautilus is the filemanager
[10:44] <ogra> palle: i.e. Computer->Disks
[10:44] <palle> aha, okay thnx!
[10:46] <mike8901> thank you guys! i just got my 5 packs of cds
[10:46] <mike8901> :)
[10:46] <mike8901> i think about 400 cds total
[10:46] <mike8901> imna hand em out to all my friends
[10:47] <gauckler> is today x-mas day for all you guys and girls getting cds with ubuntu .. hehe..
[10:48] <davidv> yeah and the live eval won't give me a display
[10:49] <lizdeika> no cds for me :(
[10:49] <davidv> they sent me 10
[10:49] <ironwolf> none for me either yet.
[10:49] <calamari-> mike8901: when did you order?
[10:52] <usual> my ubuntu cd's are here!
[10:52] <lizdeika> i ordered mine ages ago
[10:53] <usual> i just got them
[10:53] <usual> sweet
[10:53] <awg> anyone have CD/DVD burning working under warty?
[10:53] <Quest-Master> Shouldn't k3b do the job?
[10:53] <ironwolf> awg: cd? yes dvd? no audio cd? no
[10:53] <usual> i ordered 20 and got 15 though
[10:54] <mike8901> calamari-: im not even sure
[10:54] <ogra> awg: nautilus works fine for me in case of data cds
[10:54] <mike8901> i completly forgot about it
[10:54] <awg> xcdroast should do the job, but it doesn't see either of my burners
[10:54] <mike8901> i didnt count my cds :)
[10:54] <usual> cool, the cd's come with a live cd and an install cd
[10:54] <mike8901> i got 5 BAGS shipped from switzerland
[10:54] <mike8901> zurich
[10:54] <ogra> awg: did you try nautilus for burning ?
[10:54] <mike8901> :O
[10:54] <mike8901> to the US
[10:54] <mike8901> mustve cost a fortune
[10:55] <topyli> awg xcdroast is all that works here. i manually entered my device (/dev/hdc it this case), and it just works
[10:55] <awg> ogra: no, but i know that's not the problem since on SuSE xcdroast worked just fine for both CDs and DVDs
[10:55] <awg> topyli: ah, i'll try that
[10:55] <davidv> i can't even get the Eval Cd to give me a display
[10:56] <awg> topyli: did you have to tell it to use the ide-scsi driver manually, or does it set that up automatically?  in SuSE i remember having to change the bootloader config so it would use ide-scsi
[10:56] <Shift> hey
[10:56] <topyli> awg: no scsi. it works without it
[10:56] <ogra> awg: no ide-scsi anymore in 2.6
[10:57] <awg> ah, ok, i guess it was under SuSE 8.2 that i had to set that up then
[10:57] <awg> 9.0/9.1 were 2.6
[10:57] <Shift> im interested in duelbooting Ubuntu and XP
[10:57] <topyli> awg: well, those were the days :)
[10:57] <Shift> i cant find any tutorials on this
[10:58] <Fwiffo> awg: I thought ide-scsi was'nt used any more?
[10:58] <awg> alright, i took ide-scsi out of the bootloader options, so i'll just reboot here and then see if it works
[10:58] <Fwiffo> ohh, sorry
[10:58] <awg> thanks all
[10:58] <mhlandry> how does upgrading the kernel work with ubuntu?  I can use apt, right?
[10:58] <gson> how do you make a file executble?
[10:59] <topyli> Fwiffo: too slow :)
[10:59] <Fwiffo> topyli: yeah, I noticed :o)
[10:59] <mhlandry> chmod +x <filename> ?
[10:59] <topyli> mhlandry: install a package like "linux-image-686" or something. it will always depend on the latest kernel for your architecture and be updated
[10:59] <Fwiffo> mhlandry: Do you mean upgrade to a kernel supplied by Ubuntu?
[11:00] <wfx> Shift: dual boot linux & windows doe not depend on ubuntu. ubuntu use the grub boot manager so...
[11:00] <wfx> Shift: you need to configure grub for booting
[11:00] <davidv> wfx: one hard drive or two?
[11:00] <ogra> Shift: works out of the box
[11:01] <ogra> Shift: you dont need to configure it
[11:01] <Fwiffo> Shift: and if it does not, try changing from CHS to LBA in your BIOS
[11:01] <wfx> one howto is: http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[11:02] <wfx> davidv: anywhere ;-)
[11:02] <davidv> i dual-boot SuSE 9.1 pro on an IDE drive and XP pro on a SATA drive
[11:05] <Quest-Master> davidv: Leave SuSE
[11:05] <davidv> why?
[11:05] <Quest-Master> Trust me, Ubuntu is like a thousand times better.
[11:05] <Quest-Master> I moved to Ubuntu today
[11:05] <Quest-Master> I've been using Suse for a few months too, removed it today and replaced it with Ubuntu.
[11:05] <davidv> i'd like to test it but the Live Eval cd won't give me a display in any mode
[11:06] <Quest-Master> Heh, I just skipped over the LiveCD and installed it.
[11:06] <gauckler> davidv: backup your system and install ubuntu ;)
[11:06] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu is miles ahead of SuSe.
[11:06] <davidv> i like to test drive before in install
[11:06] <gson> hmm someone that knows any good burning application?
[11:06] <gson> like nero burning
[11:06] <gauckler> k3b
[11:07] <gson> hm k
[11:07] <davidv> gauckler, what deskto do you use, KDE or Gnome?
[11:07] <gauckler> now gnome, before kde
[11:08] <Quest-Master> Gnome.
[11:08] <Quest-Master> Gnome is so fast compared to KDE
[11:08] <Quest-Master> I used to use KDE too, when starting off with Suse.
[11:09] <davidv> i don't like the mechanics of Gnome that much
[11:09] <Quest-Master> Then I tried Gnome on Suse, and it was awesome, but Suse worked horribly with Gnome.
[11:09] <Quest-Master> So, I moved to Ubuntu.
[11:09] <ogra> gson: this is important for k3b: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988/
[11:09] <Quest-Master> Mechanics?
[11:09] <davidv> the way it works
[11:09] <Quest-Master> KDE is for people who are used to how Windows is set up
[11:09] <davidv> it is faster though
[11:09] <Quest-Master> You just have to get used to how Gnome works
[11:09] <Quest-Master> It's better in the long run
[11:09] <Quest-Master> :D
[11:10] <davidv> preference is why there are different platforms
[11:10] <ogra> guys...please no kde/gnome bashing in here
[11:10] <Quest-Master> I wouldn't consider it bashing, hehe
[11:10] <mike8901> is there any way to integrate portage w/ ubuntu
[11:10] <davidv> i'm not bashing anything Ogra
[11:10] <mike8901> i love portage as it compiles and optimizes everything
[11:10] <mike8901> apt-get doesnt have optimized rpms
[11:10] <crimsun> "portage and ubuntu?"
[11:10] <davidv> well, maybe just the live eval disk
[11:10] <crimsun> goodness, man.
[11:10] <mike8901> why not crimsun?
[11:10] <ogra> lol
[11:11] <IamMoo> can anyone help me to as why ubuntu install fails after the hardware detection?
[11:11] <crimsun> apt-get for ubuntu does not use rpms; it uses debs
[11:11] <crimsun> debs are usually compiled with -O2
[11:11] <JDahl> ogra, c'mon just a quick one... then we can do vim vs emacs afterwards
[11:11] <mike8901> are debs optimized?
[11:11] <crimsun> mike8901: "optimized" is rather meaningless
[11:11] <mike8901> why?
[11:11] <ogra> JDahl: *g* i'll take the vim part ;)
[11:11] <davidv> i can't figure out why the live eval recognizes my nvidia fx5200 video card but won't give a display once x starts
[11:12] <IamMoo> annnyone at all
[11:12] <crimsun> mike8901: for one, what really needs to be optimized?
[11:12] <mike8901> crimsun: xfree86
[11:12] <mike8901> gnome
[11:12] <mike8901> kde
[11:12] <mike8901> openoffice
[11:12] <davidv> i am moo, what do you mean fails?
[11:12] <IamMoo> the install just stops
[11:12] <IamMoo> blue screen
[11:12] <IamMoo> nothing happens
[11:12] <davidv> blue?
[11:12] <ogra> mike8901: and you notice it ? or is it only measurable ?
[11:13] <IamMoo> blue with the grey stip at the button
[11:13] <IamMoo> the ubuntu install background
[11:13] <crimsun> mike8901: the packages that really need to be optimized are. The kernel. libc6-i686. The crypto packages.
[11:13] <davidv> i haven't installed it yet but it is most likely a driver issue
[11:13] <mike8901> crimsun: so you are saying that xfree86 does not benifit in any way from optimization?
[11:13] <davidv> do you have any weird hardware?
[11:13] <IamMoo> no
[11:13] <IamMoo> its a gateway
[11:13] <davidv> sata?
[11:14] <crimsun> mike8901: I said the packages that really need to be optimized are.
[11:14] <ogra> IamMoo: switch to another console with alt-f2
[11:14] <Fwiffo> IamMoo: how long did you wait before rebooting?
[11:14] <crimsun> mike8901: the others can be but are not critical.
[11:14] <IamMoo> after about 3 minutes the computer locks up completely at the blue screen
[11:14] <IamMoo> and i've waited 30 minutes
[11:14] <ogra> IamMoo: look if there are errors on alt-f3 or f4 i think....
[11:15] <davidv> moo, ogra has a point--you can diagnose a bad install by switching to another console
[11:15] <IamMoo> ok one sec
[11:15] <Fwiffo> IamMoo: ok, it's just that some times it can take a while to detect hardware, but not that long I would think
[11:15] <IamMoo> hold a sec and i will do the console thing
[11:17] <IamMoo> when do i press alt-f3?
[11:17] <IamMoo> during the install?
[11:18] <ogra> IamMoo: anytime during the install with alt-f1 you get back....
[11:18] <IamMoo> k
[11:18] <davidv> so no ideas on my live eval issue?  i get no output to the monitor at any mode
[11:18] <davidv> safe mode detects my vid card
[11:18] <ogra> davidv: hmm....
[11:19] <Fwiffo> davidv: I haven't a clue, when does it blank?
[11:19] <davidv> after X starts and the startup sound plays
[11:19] <Fwiffo> ok
[11:19] <davidv> then my monitor light goes amber and it just sits
[11:20] <IamMoo> *searching for ubuntu install on media*
[11:20] <IamMoo> and thats where it hangs
[11:20] <davidv> i can get another console but X is dead
[11:20] <ogra> davidv: tried ctrl-alt-+ or - ?
[11:20] <Fwiffo> sounds like your monitor is misdetected, and X is tryoing to run it in a mode it does'nt support
[11:20] <davidv> ^
[11:20] <ogra> davidv: i.e. numpad plus or minus
[11:20] <davidv> most likely
[11:21] <IamMoo> *Kernal panic: fatal exception interrupt*
[11:21] <IamMoo> *In interrupt handler - not syncing*
[11:21] <IamMoo> thats my error with alt+f4
[11:21] <ogra> IamMoo: hmm, probably Kamion has a sec for you.....
[11:21] <Fwiffo> ogra: does'nt that just change the size of the vitual desktop
[11:21] <davidv> moo, it looks like Ubuntu hates your Gateway
[11:21] <IamMoo> poop
[11:22] <IamMoo> this is no fun
[11:22] <ogra> Fwiffo: nope, the resolution
[11:22] <Fwiffo> ogra: ok
[11:22] <davidv> my monitor is 21", supports just about every resolution
[11:22] <IamMoo> so nothing else to try with this guys?
[11:22] <davidv> and refresh rate
[11:22] <wfx> good night
[11:22] <davidv> moo...
[11:23] <IamMoo> yesss? =)
[11:23] <davidv> i would do a little google search "ubuntu kernal panic on install"
[11:23] <nomasteryoda> will dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1 work for copying a file system while that file system is mounted?
[11:23] <IamMoo> good thinking!
[11:23] <davidv> kernel
[11:23] <ogra> IamMoo: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/index.html
[11:24] <ogra> IamMoo: probably there is something .....
[11:26] <davidv> i'll be back'
[11:26] <kent> nomasteryoda, i guess you atleast might run into trouble if thing changes on the fs, which it most likely will. So i would not do that..
[11:34] <speel> hye i have a qucik question in the ubuntu live c gnome was very smoother and now that i have it installed its not any ideas?
[11:34] <Quest-Master> Usually, it's the opposite
[11:34] <Quest-Master> Faster on hard drive, slower on CD
[11:34] <ogra> speel: define smoother
[11:35] <speel> like the toolbars in the live cd were more polished
[11:35] <gauckler> I installed ubuntu on a driveless laptop. with the help of the "netboot install howto". still some things didn't went straight. do you think this is worth a new howto?
[11:36] <calamari-> I have a slow dial-up connection.  There are certain apps I will need, like Java, but I'd rather download them then use synaptic to install them from a burned CD.  Is this easy to do?
[11:36] <IamMoo> is there a way to do a netboot where it downloads the file instead of running it from the cd?
[11:36] <speel> o nvm fixed it
[11:36] <Quest-Master> ..
[11:36] <wii> hi people! im sure you get this alot but i cant play mp3 files in ubuntu, i have added the repositories (universe) as said in the wiki tutorial at the ubuntu site, but when i search for the package gstreamer0.9-mad it cant find it (only gstream0.8, and that one is already isntalled) any suggestions, or another ubuntu source.list supported url i can try?
[11:37] <Quest-Master> How come BEEP doesn't have the options that XMMS does?
[11:37] <gauckler> IamMoo: I did a netboot and installed from the archive.ubuntu.com
[11:37] <Quest-Master> Like, Play File, Play Directory, etc
[11:37] <ogra> IamMoo: have you looked at the url  ?
[11:38] <ogra> wii: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:38] <ogra> wii: all the steps you need are described there, read it ....
[11:39] <Quest-Master> How can I mount my Windows drive?
[11:39] <wii> ogra , yes i have gone through that, but as i said it dosent fint the package
[11:39] <ogra> wii: so you havent :)
[11:39] <nomasteryoda> kent: thks
[11:40] <ogra> wii: enable universe
[11:40] <speel> quest: its not mounted already?
[11:40] <ogra> wii: from the site: Other packages can be found in universe and/or multiverse.
[11:41] <Quest-Master> No
[11:41] <Quest-Master> It was usually mounted automatically in SuSE
[11:42] <wii> ogra yes i enabled it in the synaptic frontend
[11:42] <speel> well you can do sudo mount /dev/hda /mnt/whatever