[12:00] <Matt|> what does evolution-data-server actually do?
[12:00] <Pizbit> Hehe
[12:00] <nickers> it pulls a lot into Gnome now
[12:00] <Matt|> and why doesn't it stop when evolution is closed?
[12:00] <RubenV> Matt: it maintains all data
[12:00] <nickers> if you look at your clock
[12:00] <nickers> it can put tasks and such
[12:00] <RubenV> it's the central data storage, used by lot's of gnome things
[12:00] <nickers> keeps everything integrated
[12:00] <RubenV> (and in the future even more things ;))
[12:00] <ogra> spiv: i love Keybuks writings about mem ;) he's like a surgeon
[12:00] <RubenV> *rebooting*
[12:01] <Pizbit> Is it for the addressbook applet for the gnome-panel?
[12:01] <nickers> part of it
[12:01] <Pizbit> Ah, that thing never works for me.
[12:01] <Matt|> well before I start evolution it is not there, and then afterwards it is always there
[12:01] <Matt|> i conclude i only need it for evolution
[12:01] <nickers> i love evolution but dont like all the tie-ins to gnome now
[12:03] <Matt|> nickers, hmm perhaps you are right
[12:04] <Matt|> is it difficult to export the evolution folders to other clients?
[12:04] <Zero-G> they are standard maildirs
[12:04] <Matt|> they are mbox?
[12:04] <__daniel> Matt|, no probem via IMAP :-)
[12:04] <Zero-G> maildir
[12:04] <nickers> Matt|, heck yeah....try doing an address book out
[12:04] <kmdr_winebago> hi i need help with installing ubuntu on an ibm r40e thinkpad. first boot froze upon the 'frame buffer' item so I used the appropriate option listed in help. now it freezes a step earlier, 'starting system log daemon syslogd, klogd". someone advised using the nolapic option, does not help
[12:04] <nickers> Oh wait....do everything one vcard at a time
[12:04] <Matt|> nickers, :(
[12:05] <nickers> Outlook Express version 3 even did csv
[12:05] <Zero-G> i don't have data in Evolution, it's all stored on my Exchange server
[12:05] <Zero-G> i can export it to any client under the sun
[12:05] <Badger9> all my address are stored on my sidekick.. and I can't sync that with evolution :(
[12:05] <Matt|> nickers you can't do them all at once?
[12:05] <adam_> hey everyone, i'm trying to dual boot ubuntu and windows, how do i know what to put as root in menu.lst?
[12:06] <nickers> Nope one by one....i did the transition because at the time i was running evo 1.5.9 cvs release and it wouldnt support fricken SSL certs!
[12:06] <ogra> adam: should be done automagic
[12:06] <nickers> Badger9, install multisync
[12:06] <nickers> Badger9, then do a syncml server on linu
[12:06] <nickers> linux
[12:06] <__daniel> nickers, does it work with evo2?
[12:06] <adam_> yea, it didn't find windows...
[12:06] <jdub> good morning freedom lovers!
[12:07] <__daniel> hellas jdub
[12:07] <ogra> goood morning jdub
[12:07] <Matt|> nickers, i have just saved all my contacts as a vcard and it seems to work
[12:07] <Badger9> hmm thanks nickers will give that a shot
"good morning mr. dub"</bored-school-kid>
[12:07] <nickers> __daniel, Yeah finally my thawte certs work...
[12:08] <__daniel> nickers, wow the lists on sourceforge told something else
[12:08] <spiv> jdub: I bet you'd say that even if you were a school teacher ;)
[12:08] <jdub> spiv: :-)
[12:08] <jdub> spiv: where are you atm?
[12:08] <spiv> Prague.
[12:08] <jdub> rad!
[12:08] <jdub> nice?
[12:08] <spiv> Very.
[12:08] <nickers> __daniel, if you look in bugtraq you will see me there :) It works now though
[12:08] <jdub> i'd love to have a guadec there
[12:09] <spiv> Eating out here is much cheaper than Majorca...
[12:09] <__daniel> nickers, cooooooooool *grabs syncml fast*
[12:09] <jdub> heh
[12:09] <jdub> spiv: did you chase-dead-skase?
[12:09] <nickers> __daniel, its the only way i can sync my Nokia 3650 with the puter over bluetooth
[12:09] <spiv> jdub: I thought about it :)
[12:09] <nickers> if you have internet you can actually do it over the web to your syncml server
[12:09] <spiv> Too busy working and enjoying the beach ;)
[12:10] <jdub> heh
[12:10] <jdub> spiv: has the working-while-travelling aspect of it turned out well?
[12:10] <adam_> when i try to boot hd0,0 it gives me a filesystem problem...
[12:11] <spiv> jdub: It's a bit exhausting when you're moving around a lot.  We changed cities every four days or so in the US, so that was rough.
[12:11] <ogra> adam_: there should be brackets.....
[12:11] <spiv> It's been a bit easier now we're only changing cities every few weeks.
[12:11] <adam_> "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7"
[12:12] <greatscot> I just downloaded and burned Ubuntu Linux and, man, it is nice!
[12:12] <Matt|> lol
[12:12] <adam_> my grub file has title Windows; root (hd0,0), makeactive, chainloader +1
[12:13] <Bohhh> greatscot, how is it?
[12:13] <ogra> adam_: everything in one row ??
[12:13] <adam_> No
[12:13] <Bohhh> greatscot, i am dwl it right now
[12:13] <toyowheelin> adam_ what problem are you having?
[12:13] <adam_> each comma is a line break
[12:13] <adam_> can't boot windows.
[12:13] <LinuxJones> Where can I disable ipv6 support from being loaded ?
[12:13] <toyowheelin> adam_ enable LSB in the bios
[12:14] <toyowheelin> or
[12:14] <tmpy> which package has mysql docs? cant find, is it in the archive?
[12:14] <toyowheelin> yeah I think its lsb
[12:14] <Bohhh> suppose i want to install kde after having installed ubuntu. is this possible wihout much trouble?
[12:14] <adam_> what's its stand for?
[12:14] <greatscot> Bohhh: I don't even like gnome, but this is SWEEEET!!! I may start using gnome again. It's beautiful and it seems the Ubuntu team chose good apps. Congrats to them!!!
[12:14] <ogra> adam_: toyo sounds good..... but it's called LBA
[12:14] <Bohhh> greatscot, i love kde, but i'll try gnome as well
[12:15] <greatscot> me too
[12:15] <Bohhh> last time i tried gnome it was 2.4
[12:15] <jdub> Bohhh: you have to enable universe, then you should jsut be able to apt-get install kde
[12:15] <Bohhh> now it is 2,8 right?
[12:15] <toyowheelin> ogra, thanks I got too manny tla's in my head
[12:15] <toyowheelin> three letter acronyms
[12:15] <ogra> toyowheelin: nevermind ;)
[12:16] <toyowheelin> lba is what it was though
[12:16] <toyowheelin> lol
[12:16] <Bohhh> greatscot, linux 2.6, right?
[12:16] <greatscot> Bohhh: don't know yet.
[12:16] <Bohhh> greatscot, could you do uname -a?
[12:16] <greatscot> yeah, hold on...
[12:17] <jdub> Bohhh: gnome 2.8, linux 2.6 (in warty)
[12:17] <toyowheelin> anyway adam_ if you enable lba it should boot
[12:17] <Bohhh> jdub, which version of 2.6?
[12:17] <greatscot> Bohhh:  2.6.7
[12:17] <Bohhh> cool
[12:17] <ogra> Bohhh: 2.6.8
[12:18] <ogra> greatscot: you should update ;)
[12:18] <greatscot> I just downloaded the rc2
[12:18] <ogra> Linux monkey <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686 #1
[12:18] <jdub> <IP_ADDRESS> + patches
[12:18] <Matt|> does anyone here use xchat?
[12:18] <Bohhh> they update everytime a stable release is out? so what about 2.6.9 now?
[12:18] <ogra> yep
[12:18] <MyKq3> is it pasabule that i didn't had any (aptget) updates ?
[12:18] <MyKq3> for the last week ?
[12:19] <ogra> MyKq3: only two pkgs (security stuff)
[12:19] <Pluk> just compile the newest kernel yourself if you want it :)
[12:19] <nickers> i use xchat
[12:19] <Pluk> uname[Linux Aragorn 2.6.9-amd64 #5 Sun Oct 24 21:44:18 CEST 2004 x86_64 GNU/Linux]
[12:19] <tmpy> yo guys, i know that mysql-docs is on non-free in debian, is it available in ubuntu??
[12:20] <Matt|> nickers, you know why i have upgraded my whole system but yet xchat is still on 2.0.8?
[12:20] <nickers> is there a newer ver out?
[12:20] <nickers> its my latest
[12:20] <adam_> how do u unable LSB support?
[12:20] <Matt|> 2.4.0 is latest
[12:20] <ogra> Pluk: not on mine.... but as it's a doc package you should be able to pick the debian .deb
[12:20] <Matt|> it's 3 or 4 versions behind
[12:21] <adam_> how do u enable LBA?
[12:21] <adam_> now LSB
[12:21] <nickers> i recommend sticking with what you got till ubuntu puts it in there repos
[12:21] <toyowheelin> adam_ its LBA
[12:21] <adam_> *not
[12:21] <Matt|> nickers, ok
[12:21] <Matt|> :(
[12:21] <toyowheelin> I had it wrong sorry about that
[12:21] <toyowheelin> its in the bios
[12:21] <adam_> yea, how do u enable LBA
[12:21] <ogra> s/Pluk/tmpy/
[12:21] <adam_> What's it usually called?
[12:21] <adam_> i can't find it.
[12:21] <nickers> if there is something you want thats only in the new one....then edit your sources.lst and enable universe and shoot from there
[12:21] <Pluk> :)
[12:21] <ogra> adam: Logical Block access
[12:21] <toyowheelin> Large Block Addressing
[12:22] <toyowheelin> *Logical
[12:22] <toyowheelin> damn it I should just shut up now
[12:22] <ogra> toyowheelin: ok , this time you won ;)
[12:22] <travis> ok, I can't get domain lookup to go faster, I uncommented the line in whichever file I was supposed to, rmmod ipv6 tells me that it's in use, and if I force it, it crashes gdm
[12:22] <thomaes> hello, ive got a problem, how can i listen to mp3s in rhythmbox?
[12:22] <toyowheelin> ogra, is more on his game today than I am
[12:22] <adam_> how do u enable it?
[12:22] <adam_> i don't see an option.
[12:23] <ogra> toyowheelin: not really, we both mied it aup this time *g*
[12:23] <ogra> mixed
[12:23] <toyowheelin> adam_ prolly in the IDE config
[12:23] <Matt|> ok thunderbird can't seem to import evolution mail
[12:23] <ogra> adam_: in your BIOS
[12:24] <Matt|> what's up there?
[12:24] <spiv> thomaes: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:24] <toyowheelin> adam_ what bios do you have?
[12:24] <thomaes> can anybody help me? rhythmbox needs a plugin to play mp3s, how do i install it??
[12:24] <travis> I can deal with long waits for domain name resolution, but does anyone know why grub won't let me boot windows, and how I can get it back? The partition is fine, grub's configuration is set up properly... I don't get it.
[12:25] <travis> it's the same problem that I had in fedora a while back, that apparently a LOT of people had
[12:25] <toyowheelin> travis, LBA in the bios should fix it
[12:25] <spiv> thomaes: Instructions are at the link I just gave -- you need to install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:25] <ogra> thomaes: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:25] <travis> toywheelin, disable it or enable it? I believe it's enabled.
[12:25] <thomaes> thx spiv
[12:26] <toyowheelin> travis, its prolly set to automatic set it to enabled
[12:26] <travis> ok will do.
[12:26] <Matt|> THUNDERBIRD doesn't seem to be able to import vcards either :(
[12:26] <toyowheelin> lol
[12:26] <travis> before I try that, I completely forgot how to add a module to startup. I need the nvidia module to load at start up.
[12:26] <LinuxJones> travis,  in  /etc/modprobe.d/aliases change alias net-pf-10 ipv6 to read alias net-pf-10 off. That will stop ipv6 from being loaded @ next boot.
[12:27] <nickers> Matt|, Welcome to my world
[12:27] <nickers> there are some converters to get them to another format
[12:27] <angrylogic> Anyone having issues with USB not being automounted in Ubuntu or know a work around?
[12:28] <travis> Thanks LinuxJones
[12:28] <LinuxJones> travis, add nvidia to /etc/modules
[12:28] <LinuxJones> sure ;)
[12:28] <monteiro> does kernel 2.6.9 go to ubuntu apt ?
[12:28] <toyowheelin> I sent a nasty-gram to ATI to show them how disapointed I was with them not havig 64bit radeon drivers for linux
[12:28] <atomsk> ...here goes, my radio tuner (Hauppauge WinTV PCI) doesnt work under Ubuntu. Any ideas how to fix it? I dont have the /dev/radio entry :/
[12:28] <nickers> atomsk, lspci
[12:28] <travis> and thanks again LJ :) going to try all these out. May be back soon
[12:29] <Pluk> hehe me2 toyowheelin
[12:29] <Pluk> it really sux!
[12:29] <Pluk> gonna sell my ati
[12:29] <Pluk> ive had it
[12:29] <nickers> linux is all nvidia
[12:29] <toyowheelin> lol I am thinking about it
[12:29] <toyowheelin> and get an Nvidia
[12:29] <paulproteus> No, stick with ATI!
[12:29] <nickers> i dont care if they suck monkey toes in certain benchmarks...it works like a charm
[12:29] <paulproteus> They have Free Software drivers....
[12:30] <Pluk> i dont care about free drivers when im gaming... :)
[12:30] <toyowheelin> Pluk, what ATI do u have
[12:30] <atomsk> nickers: what should I search for?
[12:30] <Pluk> 9800 pro
[12:30] <toyowheelin> same here
[12:30] <nickers> Happuage
[12:30] <toyowheelin> works great in windows
[12:30] <mirak_> hey guys?
[12:30] <Pluk> yup indeed
[12:30] <nickers> atomsk Happuage
[12:30] <mirak_> how to install from tar.gz?
[12:30] <nickers> mirak_, tar xvfz file.tar.gz
[12:31] <ogra> mirak_: what ?
[12:31] <nickers> cd file
[12:31] <nickers> ./configure; make; make install; make clean
[12:31] <atomsk> nickers: I only see the bttv stuff...
[12:31] <Matt|> nickers, know any other good mail programs which CAN import easily evolution files?
[12:31] <Matt|> i'm gonna try mozilla-mail next
[12:31] <toyowheelin> Pluk, what processor do u have
[12:32] <ogra> mirak_: what do you want to install from tgz ?
[12:32] <nickers> atomsk, bttv is good :)
[12:32] <nickers> atomsk, what does it do when you open your tv program
[12:32] <Pluk> 3000+
[12:32] <toyowheelin> oh
[12:32] <ccox> hmmmm what is difference with this xchat 2.4.0?
[12:32] <Pluk> got it when it came out 1st
[12:32] <toyowheelin> yeah
[12:32] <toyowheelin> I have the 3400+
[12:32] <jamaas> could someone help me mount an external hard drive, I just changed from Mandrake to Ubuntu and it doesn't find the disk when booting.  Thanks  Jim
[12:33] <atomsk> nickers: well its just the radio tuner that I need for now the TV cable is not in yet... :)
[12:33] <Pluk> cou;dnt wait nomore, came from a dual p2-400 :D
[12:33] <Matt|> ccox, not sure. they are 3 versions in between i think. presume security updates and some features
[12:33] <nickers> atomsk, so you want just radio?
[12:33] <atomsk> yeah
[12:33] <ccox> hmmmm
[12:33] <ccox> oh well
[12:33] <nickers> well if lspci sees it all is well
[12:33] <nickers> what app are you using atomsk
[12:33] <toyowheelin> Pluk, have you got java JRE working
[12:33] <Pluk> check cat /proc/partitions
[12:33] <atomsk> nickers: radio
[12:35] <Pluk> not yet, just installed ubuntu today
[12:35] <toyowheelin> Pluk, I dont think there is a 64bit JRE
[12:35] <nickers> atomsk, i dont know that one
[12:35] <nickers> atomsk, http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=532
[12:35] <suix> hi
[12:35] <travis> OK I can get into Windows for work now, nvidia module loads at start up, but domain name resolving still takes about 15 seconds, and it's close to instant on all the other pc's in our apartment. I've edited /etc/modutils/aliases AND /etc/modprobe.d/aliases. Anything else I can do?
[12:36] <ogra> hi suix
[12:36] <Pluk> theres one on www.blackdown.org
[12:36] <jdub> travis: what's in /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf?
[12:36] <Zero-G> a bunch of text
[12:36] <Pluk> toyowheelin, 64bit jre is on www.blackdown.org
[12:36] <Pluk> gonna check it now
[12:36] <Matt|> nickers, looks like mozilla-mail uses the same importer as thunderbird: no dice
[12:37] <toyowheelin> Pluk, humm cool I will have to install it and play
[12:37] <Pluk> too bad theres no flash yet
[12:37] <toyowheelin> yeah
[12:37] <Pluk> love those small addictive games :P
[12:37] <suix> does anyone konw how to make work divx on ubuntu?
[12:37] <Matt|> suix
[12:37] <Pluk> apt-get install xine-ui
[12:37] <toyowheelin> flash is the worst part of having 64bit
[12:37] <Matt|> the usual url
[12:37] <Matt|> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:37] <suix> it dont work
[12:38] <suix> :S
[12:38] <travis> in /etc/hosts there's one line with default ipv4 stuff, and 5 lines for default ipv6 stuff. resolv.conf has my nameservers, and they're correct
[12:38] <Matt|> :(
[12:45] <jdub> suix: apt-get install totem-xine, then installw32codecs from marillat's repository
[12:45] <ogra> suix: is your system up to date ? is universe enabled ? (http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/SynapticHowto)
[12:45] <suix> ok...
[12:45] <jdub> travis: are you having dns name resolution problems, or windows name resolution problems?
[12:45] <suix> it maybe the movie
[12:45] <suix> good night
[12:45] <Matt|> marillat's repository?
[12:45] <travis> jdub, it's when I am opening a website. It says "resolving www.whatever.com" for about 10-15 seconds, when on other pcs it's close to instant
[12:45] <toyowheelin> Pluk, whats the diff between jdk and jre
[12:45] <ccox> jdub: where is merillat's repository?
[12:45] <ogra> Matt|: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:45] <Matt|> lol
[12:45] <mirak_> nicker, ./configure doesnt work
[12:45] <ogra> ccox: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:45] <brettcar> toyowheelin: JDK includes tools for development
[12:45] <mirak_> nickers, ./configure doesnt work
[12:45] <brettcar> toyowheelin: JRE just includes tools for running Java programs
[12:45] <toyowheelin> brettcar, so they will both run java apps?
[12:45] <joem> sparkes, wc?
[12:45] <brettcar> Yes
[12:45] <toyowheelin> cool
[12:45] <toyowheelin> thanks
[12:45] <nickers> mirak_, what does it say
[12:45] <jamaas> anyone help me mount an external hard drive... please ?  :-)
[12:45] <francois_> hello all
[12:45] <ogra> mirak_: what do you try to install ?
[12:45] <mirak_> nickers, nvm ...figured it out....had to cd to the directory
[12:45] <nickers> mirak_, Yeah need to be in it to configure...let me know if it gets hung up
[12:45] <mirak_> nickers, but it appears "make" bombed on me
[12:45] <nickers> mirak_, what app? and where did the make bomb?
[12:45] <toyowheelin> 12MB takes forever when the server is only letting you have it at 70KB/s
[12:45] <toyowheelin> :/
[12:45] <francois_> when playing a dvd with totem I got an error message saying that I can't read such a media (tmw_aspect_ratio_square_menu_item) due to a plugin I don't have
[12:45] <francois_> what is this plugin and how can I get it ?
[12:45] <travis> anyone have any clues?
[12:45] <toyowheelin> about what travis
[12:46] <ogra> francois_: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:46] <nickers> francois_, what plugins do you have? ahhh ogra good call :0
[12:46] <travis> toywheelin: sorry bout that. About how to speed up domain name resolving
[12:46] <toyowheelin> oh...
[12:46] <toyowheelin> humm
[12:46] <francois_> ogra, ok I check
[12:46] <toyowheelin> I dont know sorry
[12:49] <Pluk> toyowheelin, java works ok
[12:49] <francois_> ogra, still got the problem
[12:49] <francois_> rework your macros :)
[12:49] <toyowheelin> Pluk, yup I got it working as well
[12:49] <ogra> francous_: after you installed libdvdcss ?
[12:49] <francois_> yes
[12:50] <francois_> I think it was not related with the error messahe
[12:50] <toyowheelin> Pluk, thanks for showing me that site
[12:58] <toyowheelin> it is an outdated version of java
[12:58] <Matt|> ogra you could put that link in the topic
[12:58] <toyowheelin> but it works
[12:58] <francois_> ogra, no, it was still running...
[12:58] <francois_> but now it crashes
[12:58] <francois_> when I click on "play disc"
[12:58] <francois_> totem disappears
[12:58] <toyowheelin> travis, when you went in your bios was LBA set to auto?
[12:58] <ogra> francois_: have you got totem-xine installed ?
[12:58] <francois_> but I don't have the message anymore, that's the good point
[12:58] <Pluk> 1.4.2 it is
[12:58] <francois_> yeah ogra
[12:58] <Pluk> dunno where suns java is now?
[12:58] <francois_> I have got it
[12:58] <francois_> but it crashes
[12:58] <ogra> francois_: hmm
[12:58] <toyowheelin> Pluk, oh... I was thinking 2.somthin
[12:58] <ogra> hi WW
[12:58] <WW> Hello world.
[12:58] <toyowheelin> but no its at 1.4.2
[12:58] <WW> ogra: Hey
[12:58] <Pluk> ah ok
[12:58] <toyowheelin> so its not outdated I guess
[12:58] <Pluk> :D
[12:58] <ogra> WW: you told me i should not drop the idea yesterday, remember ?
[12:58] <travis> toywheelin, sure was :) Setting it to LBA worked fine. I just don't get why it worked fine in gentoo and debian, but not ubuntu
[12:58] <Pluk> well at least 1 problem tackled
[12:58] <Pluk> now only flash and ati drivers :D
[12:58] <toyowheelin> travis, same thing happend to me
[12:58] <Pluk> and then im ok i think
[12:58] <travis> oops, I keep leaving out the O in toyOwheelin
[12:58] <toyowheelin> lol
[12:58] <toyowheelin> yeah
[12:58] <WW> ogra: Right... have you written a manifesto?
[12:58] <ogra> WW: rather something like a draft *g* : http://www.grawert.net/p2p.pdf
[12:58] <toyowheelin> Pluk, ati wont happen and flash may not ether
[12:58] <toyowheelin> lo
[12:58] <francois_> ogra : I straced totem, here is what I got :
[12:58] <toyowheelin> lol
[12:58] <francois_> The program 'totem' received an X Window System error.
[12:58] <francois_> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[12:58] <francois_> The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
[12:58] <francois_>   (Details: serial 90 error_code 11 request_code 142 minor_code 19)
[12:58] <Pluk> hehe dammit toyowheelin now im depressed!
[12:58] <Pluk> :P
[12:58] <toyowheelin> ATI hasent got 64bit drivers yet
[12:58] <Pluk> crappy ati
[12:58] <ogra> francois_: looks bad.... what kind of video HW have you got ?
[12:58] <toyowheelin> and I dont think there is a 64bit flash
[12:58] <Pluk> i can put my gf2mx in
[12:58] <Pluk> :)
[12:58] <francois_> ogra, an old ati rage 128
[12:58] <Pluk> ooops
[12:58] <Pluk> wrong x
[12:58] <toyowheelin> haha
[12:58] <toyowheelin> travis, whats in your resolv.conf
[12:58] <adam_> toyowheelin: nope, no 64Bit flash
[12:58] <adam_> i emailed them aout it bu they sent me to the 32Bit one LOL dumbass tech support
[12:58] <toyowheelin> adam_ didnt think so
[12:58] <travis> toyowheelin, my 3 dns servers, with "search rdfr.va.charter.net" at the top
[12:58] <ogra> francois_: got no idea, you probably should try mplayer....
[12:59] <mjr> the flash buggers should just free the viewer and make their money in content creation
[01:05] <toyowheelin> travis, are you behind a NAT router?
[01:05] <Pluk> travis, whats in /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:05] <travis> toyowheelin: I THINK so. All the pcs on my network share the same IP
[01:05] <toyowheelin> travis put your nat router as the first DNS server and see what happens
[01:05] <travis> Pluk: "auto lo" "iface lo inet loopback" "auto eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp" "name Ethernet LAN card"
[01:05] <ploum> mplayer doesn't work on my ubuntu :-(
[01:05] <ploum> zsh: illegal hardware instruction
[01:05] <ogra> ploum: how did you install it ?
[01:05] <travis> brb
[01:05] <ploum> from multiverse
[01:05] <jdub> ploum: there's a problem with the mplayer packages atm
[01:05] <ploum> jdub, ok, so this is not me
[01:05] <ploum> thanks.. That's all I need to know :-)
[01:05] <ploum> anyone have an idea to play a mov file that say "main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `QDM2'." (I have video but no sound)
[01:05] <cardador> ploum: did you install the w32codecs?
[01:05] <__daniel> ploum, you could run  file   on it and check if it really is a .mov file
[01:05] <ogra> jdub: will the marillat version nr. get overruled by the multiverse pkg ?
[01:05] <siimo> hi does ubuntu have its own apt mirrors for its own packages?
[01:05] <WW> ogra: Interesting idea.  It raises quite a few questions, but I need to think a bit more about it (and this channel is not the place for it).
[01:05] <ogra> WW: zthats true ;)
[01:05] <seb128> ploum:
   QDM2 is unsupported
   we have no opensource codec for that
[01:06] <seb128> ploum: from one of my IRC logs
[01:06] <LinuxJones> siimo, yes
[01:06] <siimo> LinuxJones, whats the link?
[01:07] <seb128> ploum: dunno with what you are trying to read it
[01:21] <MadHunter> Hello
[01:21] <toyowheelin> travis, did that change anything?
[01:21] <ogra> siimo: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[01:21] <siimo> ty
[01:21] <MadHunter> Where might I find a place to download Ubuntu packages? The system I have Ubuntu on (a laptop) currently does not have access to the internet, so I need to find a place to download the packages from to put them onto CD's.
[01:21] <siimo> do these packages mix well with the offical debian ones?
[01:21] <siimo> also the packages from debian ubuntu uses are they woody/sarge/sid ?
[01:21] <ogra> siimo: why should one do this ?
[01:21] <LinuxJones> siimo, you need the repository list 1 sec
[01:21] <limaunion> hi, does anyone know how to solve a conflict between to network interfaces ? dmesg shows two different NICs trying to use eth0
[01:21] <limaunion> to=two
[01:21] <siimo> because unbunto doesn't have it's version of all the packages ?
[01:21] <ogra> siimo: right, but 98% are there ;)
[01:21] <ogra> i guess...
[01:21] <siimo> 98% of debian repository are you serious  :O
[01:21] <ogra> siimo: it's simply been synced with sid once (in August i think)
[01:21] <LinuxJones> siimo, there are like 14,000 packages available
[01:21] <WW> ogra: (end of June, actually)
[01:21] <siimo> oic so they are the exact same packages - or recompiled ?
[01:21] <MadHunter> Where might I find a place to download Ubuntu packages? The system I have Ubuntu on (a laptop) currently does not have access to the internet, so I need to find a place to download the packages from to put them onto CD's.
[01:21] <ogra> WW: wow, this early.... didn't know
[01:21] <jdub> siimo: don't use ubuntu packages with debian packages, it's strongly discouraged
[01:21] <siimo> MadHunter, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/  if you scroll up
[01:21] <smo> "apt-cache stats" shows 13687 "Normal" packages on my ubuntu box, and 14278 on my Sarge one .. 98% may actually be underestimating it
[01:21] <WW> siimo: recompiled
[01:21] <jdub> siimo: ubuntu is based on debian sid; we froze in late june
[01:21] <MadHunter> I was perusing that link, but could not find individual packages there.
[01:21] <siimo> MadHunter, look in pool dir
[01:21] <siimo> and its alphabetical subdirs
[01:21] <siimo> jdub, what about updates then ;-)
[01:21] <ogra> __daniel: this reminds me...thanks
[01:21] <MadHunter> Ah, pool. Hehe. The one I hadn't tried yet. :) Thanks.
[01:21] <jdub> siimo: we release every six months
[01:21] <danieldogwalk> ogra, :-)
[01:21] <danieldogwalk> ogra, we'll be out chasing bunnies ;-)
[01:21] <ogra_dogwalk> yep
[01:21] <siimo> jdub, no i mean software updates for example mozilla-firefox 1.0 is exprected before 6 months, gaim releases every 3-4 weeks :( or will people have to wait for the release cycle to get any new official packages at all
[01:21] <jdub> siimo: new software comes with new releases, it would not be supportable any other way
[01:21] <siimo> so you have not considered a updates repository as such for small module software that will be easily updatable
[01:21] <siimo> modular i mean
[01:21] <jdub> we have a security repository and an updates repository for non-security bugfixes
[01:21] <jdub> we will not be upgrading software willy-nilly on a stable release
[01:21] <jdub> it would not be supportable
[01:21] <siimo> no i do not mean upgrading the actual release
[01:21] <Pluk> nite all
[01:21] <siimo> oh ok so you will release an update when gaim stops working for a certain protocol in the bugfixes repository :-)
[01:21] <Matt|> hiya
[01:22] <Matt|> any idea how to solve the following error?
[01:22] <siimo> because gaim 1.0.2 is out and contains several bugfixes
[01:22] <Matt|> Totem could not play 'rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/c04/c04093004_debate1.rm?mode=compact'.
[01:22] <Matt|> Failed to open; reason unknown
[01:22] <siimo> Matt|, lol reason unknown
[01:22] <Matt|> can totem play rm streams?
[01:22] <Matt|> can anyone else play this file?
[01:23] <Despair> weird. chromium bsu segfaults on amd64 if there is a ~/.chromium-score from a 32bit run.
[01:23] <siimo> im trying
[01:23] <siimo> yes i can play
[01:23] <Bohhh> why is ubuntu 1 cd, while sarge is 11 cds?
[01:23] <siimo> im using xine though
[01:24] <siimo> Bohhh, i guess it only has the base required packages for a fully functioning desktop later you can get more software
[01:24] <francois_> good night
[01:24] <Matt|> siimo have you got any realplayer plugins installed or something?
[01:25] <siimo> Matt|, w32codes package
[01:25] <Matt|> siimo i have that installed
[01:25] <siimo> from here ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html
[01:25] <Matt|> i have em
[01:26] <mirak_> can anyone help with tvtime???.............it crashes about 30 seconds after it starts?
[01:26] <siimo> i think real media is disabled by default does the plugin show up in firefox?
[01:26] <Matt|> erm
[01:26] <Matt|> hang on
[01:27] <Matt|> doesn't show up
[01:27] <siimo> Matt|, you might want to install real player
[01:27] <siimo> the new version is very nice
[01:27] <Matt|> siimo, have you got it installed?
[01:28] <siimo> yes i have it but i can play in xine too
[01:28] <siimo> Matt|, https://helixcommunity.org/project/showfiles.php?group_id=154 get  >> RealPlayer 10.0.1 Final Release
[01:29] <Matt|> i can get it through apt?
[01:29] <siimo> don't think so it comes with its own installer - download the .bin file
[01:32] <mirak_> umm guys............tvtime is now making my computer crash, as well....err stop responding
[01:33] <mirak_> can anyone help?
[01:33] <Matt|> does anyone else have any more ideas about that rm streaming file?
[01:33] <Matt|> sorry mirak_
[01:33] <Matt|> no idea
[01:34] <__daniel> mirak_, try starting it from the console and look for error messages
[01:34] <__daniel> Matt|, get realplayer-installer (or a likely package) from marillats rop
[01:34] <__daniel> repo
[01:34] <Matt|> __daniel, ok, it asks me for some input though, and I don't know what to put in
[01:35] <__daniel> Matt|, hm
[01:35] <__daniel> Matt|, what does it say?
[01:35] <mirak_> __daniel, kk....i will try
[01:35] <Matt|> __daniel, i have read the instructions better now, and can deal
[01:35] <ogra_dogwalk> mistwetter
[01:36] <__daniel> ogra, hier auch
[01:36] <ogra> thunderstorm here :(
[01:36] <mirak_> __daniel, it gave some meassages.....i dont like em
[01:36] <__daniel> ogra, only 4 bunnies weren't sitting in their hidey holes
[01:36] <ogra> lol
[01:36] <__daniel> mirak_, try to be more specific :-)
[01:37] <ogra> mirak_: does this happen with the ubuntu package ?
[01:38] <mirak_> ogra, yes...i think.....i got tvtime from apt-get
[01:38] <ogra> mirak_: show us the errors
[01:39] <mirak_> it is big...........cannot paste here
[01:42] <ogra> soes anyone  know if  DI_GreedyH.dll is in win32codecs ?
[01:43] <__daniel> ogra, libdscaler: usr/lib/win32/DI_GreedyH.dll
[01:43] <ogra> mirak_: install this one
[01:44] <mirak_> kk
[01:44] <mirak_> ogra, what __daniel said?
[01:44] <ogra> yep
[01:44] <ogra> libdscaler
[01:44] <mirak_> how......that si just a file path
[01:44] <__daniel> mirak_, yes: sudo apt-get install libdscaler
[01:44] <mirak_> oh...libscaler...ok
[01:44] <Tenniru> I have a question about RythmBox. I think this is the right place to ask.
[01:45] <__daniel> lib_D_scaler
[01:45] <Tenniru> When I add a song to my music library, it doesn't appear.
[01:45] <Tenniru> And when I try to play any streaming radio, it just locks up.
[01:45] <Tenniru> What do I do? Just use another player?
[01:45] <ogra> Tenniru: no error msg ?
[01:45] <Tenniru> No, it just locks.
[01:45] <WW> Tenniru: How do you add the song?
[01:46] <Tenniru> Right- click and Add To Music Library or whatever it's called.
[01:46] <Tenniru> It does not appear.
[01:46] <mirak_> ogra, __daniel, still broken
[01:47] <mirak_> ogra, if i uninstall it and reinstal it....same thing happens....is there anyway to set it to default?
[01:47] <mirak_> ogra, like i never installed in the first place?
[01:47] <__daniel> mirak_, EXACTLY the same messages?
[01:47] <ogra> Tenniru: probably :https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2691
[01:47] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[01:48] <mirak_> __daniel, a bit different this time....but close
[01:48] <Tenniru> Now, I tried switching to XMMS when I hit this snag.
[01:48] <calc> anyone know how to setup wpa in ubuntu?
[01:48] <calc> i need to enable wpa-psk on my wireless card
[01:48] <burner> wpa is a new one for me
[01:48] <calc> wep is useless
[01:48] <Tenniru> It will not stay on a skin. When I select a skin and then turn off the program, the program went back to default when I tried turning it on again.
[01:48] <burner> not if you don't transfera lot
[01:49] <burner> it would take forever to capture enough packets to crack it
[01:49] <ogra> mirak_: show them
[01:49] <mirak_> mirak@ubuntu:~ $ tvtime
[01:49] <mirak_> Running tvtime 0.9.12.
[01:49] <mirak_> Reading configuration from /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml
[01:49] <mirak_> Reading configuration from /home/mirak/.tvtime/tvtime.xml
[01:49] <mirak_> videoinput: Can't read frame. Error was: Input/output error (0).
[01:49] <mirak_> videoinput: Can't read frame. Error was: Input/output error (0).
[01:49] <mirak_> videoinput: Can't read frame. Error was: Input/output error (0).
[01:49] <calc> burner: only takes a few hundred MB of transfer iirc
[01:49] <mirak_> Segmentation fault
[01:49] <mirak_> there
[01:49] <calc> burner: so maybe a few days on a lightly used network, vs a few min on a heavily used one
[01:49] <burner> exactly
[01:49] <calc> so wep is still useless
[01:50] <burner> for my home network, wep would work... if i didn't open it up to everyone anyway
[01:50] <calc> a few days to crack is still nothing for a non-moving ap ;)
[01:50] <__daniel> mirak_, you know if your video device is correctly set up?
[01:50] <ogra> mirak_: have you got a /dev/video ?
[01:50] <ogra> *g*
[01:50] <mirak_> __daniel, it was working.......
[01:50] <Matt|> lol
[01:50] <mirak_> ogra, same to you
[01:50] <Matt|> i can't even get wep with my card
[01:51] <mirak_> sh*t....gtg....im late..............thnx for your help guys
[01:51] <Bohhh> ok
[01:51] <Bohhh> it is burning
[01:51] <__daniel> bye mirak_
[01:51] <Bohhh> damn, it's 1x
[01:51] <Bohhh> i have to wait 1.25 hours
[01:51] <blahrus> ogra: you still around/
[01:51] <blahrus> ?
[01:51] <rwabel> hi
[01:51] <[Phaedrus] > by the way, Ubuntu's website doesnt say much about support for a Geforce2 Video Card. Is it safe to assume, it is supported?
[01:52] <ogra> blahrus: yep
[01:52] <rwabel> is it normal that with ubuntu alsa is not included. at least no complet. I don't have an alsaconf
[01:52] <calc> so it appears ubuntu doesn't have the wpa supplicant package, is that correct?
[01:52] <__daniel> [Phaedrus] , yes
[01:52] <Bohhh> [Phaedrus] , only god knows
[01:52] <blahrus> ogra: do you use k3b at all?
[01:52] <tvon> anyone use make-kpkg?  Should the --initrd option go through okay?
[01:52] <calc> or is there some other way to set it up under ubuntu?
[01:52] <ogra> blahrus: no, i'm fine with nautilus
[01:52] <blahrus> ogra: I am trying to burn a music cd from mp3s
[01:52] <[Phaedrus] > heh.. thanks __daniel
[01:52] <[Phaedrus] > Very funny Bohhh
[01:53] <Bohhh> :)
[01:53] <blahrus> ogra: but when it tries to cd up kde it asks for the root password to set up the prog and well there is no root
[01:53] <Bohhh> i am ok with my g400
[01:53] <Bohhh> i don't need anything better
[01:53] <__daniel> Bohhh, i don't even know which nvidia adaptor i got :-)
[01:53] <Bohhh> ghgh
[01:54] <blahrus> anyone using k3b/
[01:54] <blahrus> ?
[01:54] <ogra> blahrus: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RootSudo?action=highlight&value=k3b
[01:54] <Bohhh> blahrus, no, but i am using cdrecord
[01:54] <__daniel> blahrus, i used to use it when i was with debian
[01:54] <Bohhh> right now
[01:54] <Bohhh> k3b doesn't support parallel burners, so it's unuseful for me
[01:54] <blahrus> Bohhh: is there a way to make audio cds with mp3s in cdrecord?
[01:54] <ogra> blahrus: mp3burn is good too if you like the commandline ;)
[01:55] <Bohhh> blahrus, of course. you have to convert it to wav with some application ,then burn it with cdrtools
[01:55] <blahrus> hum . . . .
[01:55] <blahrus> ogra: is mp3burn easy to use?
[01:55] <burner> eroaster is easy!
[01:56] <ogra> blahrus: as easy as cdrecord *g*
[01:56] <blahrus> i am not big on the command line
[01:56] <blahrus> :)
[01:56] <blahrus> i would like to get better
[01:56] <__daniel> blahrus, you will be :-)
[01:56] <Bohhh> man cdrecord :)
[01:56] <ogra> blahrus: and man mp3burn
[01:57] <blahrus> ogra: well that would be so nice of you
[01:58] <blahrus> I just tried "mp3burn -p /home/blahrus/Straylight_Run-Straylight_Run-\(Unmastered_Advance\)-2004-iND/00-straylight_run-straylight_run-\(unmastered_advance\)-2004-ind.m3u"
[01:58] <ogra> blahrus: but takes it's time....
[01:58] <blahrus> it didn't liek that to much
[01:58] <blahrus> ogra: is there a setup I have to do first?
[01:58] <ogra> blahrus: leave the m3u, just list the songs
[01:58] <blahrus> ok
[01:58] <blahrus> space between each song then?
[01:59] <ogra> blahrus: should work, try it....
[02:00] <blahrus> "Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority()"
[02:00] <blahrus> do I have to be root?
[02:00] <blahrus> or sudo in ubuntu
[02:01] <ogra> blahrus: try it
[02:01] <blahrus> "Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver."
[02:01] <blahrus> no go
[02:01] <ogra> balh: sudo modprobe sg
[02:02] <blahrus> ogra:  .. . . .
[02:02] <blahrus> nothing happened
[02:02] <__daniel> guys, i'm off to bed
[02:02] <__daniel> sleep tight
[02:02] <ogra> sleep well daniel
[02:02] <__daniel> you too ogra :-)
[02:02] <salman> Any XLib programmers here?
[02:03] <ogra> blahrus: no errors, thats good
[02:03] <blahrus> ogra: sounds good
[02:04] <blahrus> ogra: so what do I need to do now
[02:04] <ogra> blahrus: what i normally do is: set up a file containing the songnames (one by line) and then use this file with -p
[02:05] <salman> Is there a command line utility like 'xwininfo' that lets the user move/resize a window given exact size and offset?
[02:06] <blahrus> ogra: save it as what type of file?
[02:06] <salman> I want to be able to click on a window and specify a geometry spec like '200x200+15+80'
[02:07] <Bohhh> : still burning
[02:07] <bern> as there a good program to use to listen to online music streams
[02:07] <bern> i can seem to get xmms or rhythmbox to play online streams
[02:07] <Bohhh> bern, xmms
[02:07] <bern> can't*
[02:07] <optyk> mpg321
[02:07] <bern> Bohhh:
[02:07] <bern> Bohhh: it won't work for me
[02:07] <Bohhh> -11625 from ATIP
[02:08] <bern> Bohhh: is there some sort of dependencies i need for streaming music
[02:08] <Bohhh> ops sorry
[02:08] <Bohhh> bern, press ctrl+l
[02:08] <Bohhh> bern, press ctrl+l under xmms
[02:08] <Bohhh> bern, insert the url and go with it
[02:08] <Bohhh> burned! i am ready to install ubuntu!
[02:08] <Bohhh> good luck !
[02:09] <nickers> is there any special reason why there is no thumbnail view in nautilus? in gentoo it auto compiled with it
[02:09] <nickers> is there a package i need to install
[02:10] <bern> can someone tell me if this stream works for them
[02:10] <bern> http://www.digitallyimported.com/mp3/trance96k.pls
[02:10] <blahrus> nope
[02:10] <blahrus> anyone else had any luck with mp3 burn?
[02:10] <bern> i was just told you can't stream playlists
[02:11] <optyk> works for me
[02:12] <optyk> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[02:12] <ogra_> blahrus: ?
[02:12] <LinuxJones> blahrus, yes it plays fine
[02:12] <Matt|> i have just run PRELINK -afR and I got a host of errors. Does anyone know if this is normal? in the past with other distributions this has not happened to me!
[02:12] <blahrus> ogra_: up I am here
[02:13] <aitrus> bern: i'm listening to di's vocal trance right now
[02:13] <zaydana> hey guys... i just downloaded and burnt a wart CD but it told me i couldn't install the locales. You think its just a bad burn? Or is there something known that goes wrong?
[02:13] <travis> toyowheelin: setting the first dns to my router didn't work.
[02:14] <toyowheelin> travis, oh well it was worth a shot
[02:14] <travis> :) yeah. Sorry for the delay, we went out for dinner
[02:14] <toyowheelin> oh :)
[02:15] <pocolocococo> ha ha
[02:15] <zaydana> or i probs should ask did anybody else have trouble when it came to installing the locales file?
[02:15] <bern> aitrus: hehe i haven't listened to techno in a while
[02:15] <bern> thought it was about time to mix it up
[02:15] <Matt|> i have just run PRELINK -afR and I got a host of errors. Does anyone know if this is normal? in the past with other distributions this has not happened to me! <-- anyone know anything about this????
[02:16] <jdub> Matt|: don't bother with prelink
[02:16] <toyowheelin> travis, I have 2 dns servers one is my own and the other is my router which is a dns forwarder to my isps dns servers
[02:16] <Matt|> jdub, how come?
[02:16] <jdub> it's not worth the trouble
[02:16] <jdub> we do some linker optimisation for the gnome packages
[02:16] <Matt|> jdub, it does not improve the speed?
[02:16] <jdub> no
[02:17] <Matt|> we?
[02:17] <Matt|> you are a developer?
[02:17] <jdub> prelink can provide startup benefits, but has a bunch of annoying costs too - it's just not worth it
[02:17] <jdub> yes
[02:17] <Matt|> right in that case i will take your word for it
[02:17] <Matt|> anyother optimisations i should do?
[02:17] <jdub> no
[02:18] <blahrus> jdub: thanks for ubuntu :)
[02:18] <stodge> I have versions 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.7 and 1.8 of automake installed, but how do I select one to use. I get this error: Automake 1.6 or above is required. Aborting build...
[02:18] <Matt|> jdub, yeah i'll add my thanks
[02:19] <travis> toyowheelin: I used to be able to use my router as a forwarder, but it doesn't work anymore. If I set the dns to the router ip, it just doesn't work
[02:19] <travis> anyway, thanks for the help. I'm off for a bit, talk to you later
[02:19] <Matt|> jdub, what about compiling a kernel and building things in, is that worth it?
[02:19] <toyowheelin> c-ya
[02:19] <jdub> Matt|: no
[02:20] <Matt|> jdub, how come?
[02:20] <jdub> because there's no point
[02:20] <jdub> it just means you're not using the distro-supported kernel, that you need to recompile every time you get new hardware, etc., etc.
[02:20] <jdub> you have to manage your own security fixes
[02:21] <Matt|> speed?
[02:21] <jdub> okay, so
[02:21] <jdub> you would do without all of those things
[02:21] <jdub> for speed?
[02:21] <azeem> jdub: are you guys applying any extra low-latency-super-responsive patches to the kernel?
[02:21] <jdub> azeem: no
[02:21] <Matt|> depends on how much speed i guess jdub
[02:22] <azeem> one guy at debian-desktop believed that CDD should patch the kernel to make it desktop-ready
[02:22] <jdub> Matt|: seriously - you would forego all of those for 'speed'?
[02:22] <azeem> jdub: okie, so it's good enough for anybody else as well =)
[02:22] <jdub> Matt|: and then when i tell you that building modules into the kernel has ABSOLUTELY NO affect on performance...
[02:22] <Matt|> ok
[02:22] <azeem> jdub: it's prelinking ;)
[02:22] <jdub> azeem: *cough*
[02:23] <Matt|> jdub, does it not save time loading the modules?
[02:23] <jdub> Matt|: stop thinking about 'speed' and start thinking about using your computer.
[02:23] <jdub> of course it does
[02:23] <jdub> but you load a module once
[02:23] <Matt|> jdub, don't be angry
 Matt|: stop thinking about 'speed' and start thinking about using your computer.
[02:23] <eruin> http://www.beatniksoftware.com/tomboy/img/applet-small.png <--- can anyone tell me what the "greenish" notification icon with a "v" in it is for?
[02:23] <jdub> not angry :)
[02:23] <Matt|> what do you mean by thinking about my computer
[02:24] <Pizbit> Heh, I find it funny when people argue for speed when they're only gonna save a few seconds over a month or so:)
[02:24] <azeem> Matt|: the point is that all the miliseconds you save each time on startup will get eaten up once you need to recompile your kernel for whatever reason
[02:24] <Matt|> azeem, i appreciate that
[02:24] <Matt|> i was just asking
[02:25] <Matt|> i have just been used to recompiling my kernel and building things in
[02:25] <Matt|> so i am interested
[02:25] <azeem> well, if you are a hacker, you could check about running init scripts in parallel and optimizing hotplug or such things for hoary
[02:25] <blackdog> I've got a problem with mounting a vfat partion so I can share with my XP partition. Its mounted in fstab with /dev/hda4       /mnt/shared     vfat    rw,user,auto     0       0. It mounts with the wrong permission. How can I fix it?
[02:25] <azeem> but see what the status is on those before you duplicate work
[02:25] <Matt|> azeem, are you talking to me?
[02:25] <azeem> Matt|: yes
[02:25] <paulproteus> blackdog: Set 'noauto'.
[02:26] <paulproteus> And then mount it as your Ubuntu user.
[02:26] <paulproteus> Rather than as root.
[02:26] <Matt|> azeem, i installed ubuntu for the first time last night
[02:26] <paulproteus> There's one option for you.
[02:26] <blackdog> thanks
[02:26] <azeem> blackdog: perhaps look at umask, dunno
[02:26] <azeem> Matt|: hmm, ok
[02:26] <pocolocococo> umask-0
[02:26] <Matt|> i have no competence with computers
[02:26] <paulproteus> blackdog: The other option is to add this option to the options list: uid=1000
[02:26] <pocolocococo> doh
[02:26] <Matt|> otherwise I wouldn't have been asking dumb questions
[02:27] <azeem> Matt|: in that case, I advise you to just use your system for a couple of days and then reevaluate whether you really need more speed
[02:27] <pocolocococo> umask=0
[02:27] <paulproteus> uid=1000 will make the first user (user IDs start at 1000) own all the files.
[02:27] <paulproteus> umask=0 means any other you drop all security restrictions on the partition.  The "umask" parameter says what permissions to limit, so by setting it to zero you allow everyone everything.
[02:28] <Matt|> azeem, i had not made any evaluations. I repeat, i was simply curious
[02:28] <Matt|> although i do not have a super-fast system
[02:28] <blackdog> thanks, trying it now )
[02:28] <cef_work> Kamion: you about? mkinitrd is being annoying
[02:29] <tmpy> hi
[02:30] <tmpy> is mysql-admin and mysql-query-browser available on ubuntu/ppc??
[02:30] <Matt|> how can I add items to the gnome menu??
[02:31] <WW> Matt|: Check the wiki FAQ
[02:31] <Matt|> thanks
[02:31] <Matt|> i.e. rtfm
[02:31] <Matt|> ;p
[02:32] <Dekkard> Matt| its really easy matt
[02:32] <quetal> webhosting from  $0.90 monthly www.yourhostplan.com
[02:32] <aitrus> rtff  =)
[02:32] <ogra_> Matt|: right click in a submenu
[02:33] <Dekkard> click applications.. click on any catagorie goto the generated submenu , right click and at the bottom it says " add to this menu"
[02:33] <ogra_> jdub: hey, thanks for monkey-journal :)
[02:33] <tmpy> the mysql-admin, mysql-admin-common and mysql-query-browser is available on debian testing and unstable, any chance of getting them on debian
[02:34] <Matt|> doh
[02:34] <Matt|> thanks you guys
[02:34] <Matt|> i should have seen that
[02:34] <toyowheelin> you can use webmin to manage mysql fairly well
[02:34] <Matt|> now i need to find a good icon for gtkpod ;)
[02:36] <tmpy> dude, these are lot faster than webmin, and have a lot more features :), besides i tried compiling from source , but ... dont trust my own packageing :P
[02:37] <paulproteus> tmpy: Are they in Debian?
[02:37] <paulproteus> If so, they're in the universe section.
[02:37] <cef_work> Kamion: update on that module loading bug on the amd64 machine: slightly modified version of your command worked fine, but of course I had to mount /target/proc first so mkinitrd worked.. doh!
[02:38] <WW> mysql-client, -common and -server are in ubuntu
[02:38] <tmpy> yeah m8, tehy are in debain
[02:38] <paulproteus> tmpy: Then look in the Wiki for how to enable access to "universe" from Synaptic, and then find them in Synaptic. (-:
[02:38] <WW> tmpy: It looks like they are even in main.  No need for universe.
[02:38] <tmpy> i have enabled access to universe, long time ago
[02:38] <tmpy> :)
[02:39] <paulproteus> Ah.
[02:39] <paulproteus> Then what are you asking about?  Enjoy the beauty of Synaptic. (-;
[02:39] <tmpy> yeah?? wait .............
[02:39] <alka_trash> hey guys
[02:39] <ogra_> there is no mysql-admin package
[02:40] <WW> tmpy, ogra_: Doh, ogra_ is correct. My bad.
[02:40] <alka_trash> where's the the updated gaim and firefox?
[02:40] <alka_trash> are they in hoary
[02:40] <tmpy> yep, there is'nt, AFAIK, thet are LGPL (dual licenced)
[02:42] <ogra_> tmpy: do your selfmade packages work ?
[02:42] <Bohhh> :(
[02:42] <Bohhh> i am very sad. ubuntu installer is a copy of sarge installer: it has the same bugs.
[02:42] <Bohhh> i can't install nothing with that stupid installer
[02:43] <paulproteus> What system?
[02:43] <tmpy> nope, i cant connect to any db and it does'nt exit gracefully (i'm on G3 ppc)
[02:43] <cef_work> Bohhh: then definitely report a bug
[02:43] <cef_work> Bohhh: what's the problem anyway?
[02:43] <Bohhh> i386, it attempts to format/mount a partition by using  a devfs name which does not exist
[02:43] <Matt|> meh
[02:43] <Matt|> damn wireless
[02:44] <Bohhh> damn - devfs . how is this possible these days?
[02:44] <ogra_> tmpy: hmm did you recompile the deb packages or did you from source ?
[02:44] <Bohhh> it's a normal i386, with a normal ide hd
[02:44] <cef_work> Bohhh: ouch.. what's it (supposedly?) trying to format?
[02:44] <Bohhh> /dev/hda5, reiserfs
[02:45] <tmpy> ogra_: i downloaded the source from mysql site and compiled it from source
[02:45] <Bohhh> it can't access /dev/hda5, since it is using a devfs name which doesn't exist
[02:45] <Bohhh> incredible none notices this
[02:45] <ogra_> tmpy: i'd take the deb src ....
[02:45] <cef_work> hrm.. extended partition
[02:45] <Bohhh> cef, yes
[02:45] <cef_work> Bohhh: what other fs's are on the drive?
[02:46] <Bohhh> cef, reiserfs, ext2
[02:46] <tmpy> i cant get ubuntu source for it, cause it doesnt show up in deb-src
[02:46] <tmpy> orga_: how do i do that?? apt-source?
[02:46] <Matt|> has anyone got a nice icon for gnome menu gtkpod entry?
[02:47] <tmpy> orga_: sry,
[02:47] <tmpy> apt-get source :(
[02:47] <Bohhh> so i'll have to wait other 6 months to obtain something working, be it sarge or ubuntu
[02:47] <Bohhh> i can only install mandrake and similar things here
[02:48] <Bohhh> which were supposed to be inferior to debian
[02:48] <Bohhh> at least for things like partition management
[02:48] <azeem> Bohhh: uhm, did you send a bug report?
[02:48] <Matt|> could try gentoo?
[02:48] <pocolocococo> ha ha
[02:48] <Bohhh> azeem, thousands
[02:48] <pocolocococo> Bohhh: user skill level
[02:48] <ogra_> tmpy: get the source from here: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/mysql-admin
[02:48] <azeem> Bohhh: can't you use knoppix or something to partition and format your harddisk in advance?
[02:48] <Bohhh> azeem, yes
[02:49] <paulproteus> Bohhh: Can you use the alternate root-terminal that the Debian Sarge installer provides to bootstrap your way?
[02:49] <tmpy> orga_: thx m8 , on it, will see what happens
[02:49] <ogra_> tmpy: the better way would be to send a mail to ubuntu-dev with a package request
[02:49] <pocolocococo> learned helplessness
[02:49] <Bohhh> azeem, of course...but i am not having a good impression...
[02:49] <azeem> Bohhh: oh, so you don't need help
[02:49] <Bohhh> no
[02:49] <paulproteus> Bohhh: That is really weird, I agree.  I've installed Ubuntu and Sarge on quite a few systems, and never had it do that.
[02:50] <tmpy> orga_: i think i'm subscribed to that, will do, cheers
[02:50] <paulproteus> The final thing you could do is to symlink /dev/ide/whatever/whatever/disc to /dev/hda (-;
[02:50] <Bohhh> what?
[02:50] <Bohhh> are you kidding?
[02:51] <ogra_> night all....
[02:51] <paulproteus> Bohhh: No....
[02:51] <elmaya> the repository for mplayer?
[02:51] <Bohhh> i am not going to create a symlinks as patches for the installer :)
[02:51] <Bohhh> one question: is ubuntu devfs based?
[02:51] <azeem> Bohhh: well, what's the bug number?
[02:51] <azeem> Bohhh: only the installer
[02:51] <azeem> Bohhh: ubuntu uses udev
[02:52] <Bohhh> azeem, no number, i have reported the problem trough irc channels
[02:52] <azeem> with the usual device naming
[02:52] <azeem> Bohhh: eh
[02:52] <Bohhh> sarge uses udev?
[02:52] <azeem> Bohhh: that does not help
[02:52] <pocolocococo> he eh
[02:52] <Matt|> how can I change the services which start on booting? is there a gui for configuring?
[02:52] <Bohhh> doesn't the installer accept devfs=nomount?
[02:53] <NeoFax99> hello all!
[02:53] <paulproteus> Bohhh: It might.  Keep in mind /dev/hda is a non-devfs name.
[02:53] <Bohhh> yes
[02:53] <NeoFax99> Has anyone here used tftp to install ubuntu?
[02:53] <Bohhh> that's what i want
[02:53] <Bohhh> let me see
[02:53] <pocolocococo> money: thats what i want
[02:53] <Bohhh> i'll be back soon
[02:53] <paulproteus> Bohhh: Are you using the installer with just default options, i.e. just pressing enter?
[02:53] <paulproteus> Erm, 'kay.
[02:54] <Matt|> could someone help me understand how boot services can be configured with ubuntu? I am accustomed to use the command chkconfig but I cannot find it here
[02:54] <pocolocococo> he eh
[02:54] <LinuxJones> Matt|, update-rc.d
[02:54] <pocolocococo> mdk command
[02:55] <azeem> Matt|: the general philosophy is that you just install/deinstall the services you need
[02:55] <azeem> or use update-rc.d
[02:55] <Matt|> azeem, LinuxJones, thanks
[02:55] <paulproteus> NeoFax99: No, I don't think so.  I think currently the only supported method is CD, in fact.
[02:56] <NeoFax99> I am having a problem with installing ubuntu.  It kills when it reaches installing nic-extras-2.6.8...
[02:56] <NeoFax99> It says I have a bad md5sum.  Which I don't as I have checked the md5sum for the cd and all of the files and they are all good.
[02:57] <paulproteus> NeoFax99: When did you download the CD?
[02:57] <NeoFax99> paulproteus: both the wiki and the user's manual state how to do it, but it seems as if it takes forever.
[02:57] <NeoFax99> Yesterday
[02:57] <paulproteus> I haven't heard of this problem in the released version from October 20.  Granted, I haven't heard of it from before, either.
[02:57] <paulproteus> You checked the md5sum for the CD you burned, not just the image you downloaded?
[02:58] <NeoFax99> No, but I can do that now.  One moment
[02:58] <paulproteus> "Probably" it's a bad burn of some kind, but I can't quite be sure.
[02:58] <outcast> is there a package for full Java support (i want to use Azureus)
[02:59] <paulproteus> outcast: I think the Wiki has info on getting Java.
[03:02] <Matt|> azeem, LinuxJones, I am trying to figure out update-rc.d. The command "update-rc.d networking defaults stop" is not working. What am i doing wrong?
[03:02] <NeoFax99> That's weird, the cd and the iso have bad md5sums of the packages.gz, but not the file the installer stes has a bad md5sum
[03:02] <paulproteus> Have you read its man page, Matt|?
[03:03] <Matt|> paulproteus, some of it
[03:03] <Matt|> much of man pages goes over my head
[03:03] <LinuxJones> Matt|, if yoou want to stop a service /etc/init.d/<service script name > stop
[03:03] <Matt|> LinuxJones, i just want to remove it from starting on boot
[03:04] <cef_work> Matt|: that just tells it to set the defaults for stop, not to disable it
[03:04] <LinuxJones> Matt|, update-rc.d -f /etc/init.d/<service script name > remove
[03:04] <Matt|> ah
[03:04] <LinuxJones> Matt|, sorry
[03:04] <LinuxJones> Matt|, update-rc.d -f <service script name > remove
[03:04] <Matt|> ok
[03:04] <cef_work> LinuxJones: that will remove the script, but if there is an upgrade, it'll come back
[03:05] <Matt|> i want to keep the script, but remove it from the boot runlevel
[03:05] <LinuxJones> cef_work, I can't help that :D
[03:05] <Tux234> WOW ubuntu is 3rd on distrowatch
[03:05] <Tux234> Thats amazing for just being realised!
[03:05] <cef_work> Matt|: so after you set that up, you should consider setting up 'stop' scripts so that it doesn't get modified
[03:06] <Matt|> cef_work, this sounds rather complicated
[03:06] <Matt|> there is no way of just turning it off for a runlevel?
[03:07] <cef_work> Matt|: easiest is just to rm the rc?.d script you don't want it to run
[03:07] <Matt|> cef_work, but i need the script as sometimes I might want to use my network card
[03:07] <cef_work> Matt|: just don't delete it from /etc/init.d
[03:07] <attitude> OK I have checked the wiki and the main site and can not find an answer. How do I get mod_ssl to work on ubuntu
[03:08] <cef_work> hang on.. you're trying to disable a network card at boot?
[03:08] <Matt|> cef_work, so i just run the command that LinuxJones posted?
[03:08] <cef_work> Matt|: if so, then that's the wrong way to go about it
[03:08] <Matt|> hmm
[03:08] <Matt|> ok
[03:08] <Matt|> what is the right way/
[03:08] <Matt|> ??
[03:08] <cef_work> Matt|: what's the network card? onboard for a lappy?
[03:08] <Matt|> yes
[03:09] <fluoro> Hi guys.  I just installed ubuntu for the first time.
[03:09] <fluoro> However, it never asked me to enter a root password.  Only to create a user account.
[03:09] <Matt|> at home i use a wireless pcmcia card, so the wire network card is not generally necessary
[03:09] <fluoro> Or did I miss something?
[03:09] <Tux234> Ubuntu doesn't really have one
[03:09] <Matt|> fluoro, correct
[03:09] <Matt|> there is no root account by default
[03:09] <Tux234> it uses sudo
[03:09] <cef_work> ok.. check /etc/network/interfaces (it's a file) and look for the network adapter definition in there. there should be an 'auto ifname' line, comment that out, and it won't start automatically
[03:09] <Matt|> ah thanks cef_work
[03:10] <Matt|> but if I want to stop other services starting, such as hotplug, i do it the way LinuxJones said?
[03:10] <cef_work> Matt|: then you can still use 'ifup ifname' and 'ifdown ifname' whenever you like
[03:10] <fluoro> How do I edit XF86Config then?
[03:10] <Matt|> fluoro, "sudo nano -w /etc/X11/XF86Config
[03:10] <LinuxJones> fluoro, you should check out the faq there's lots of important stuff >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/
[03:10] <fluoro> It tried to setup my X for me, but failed.
[03:10] <Matt|> fluoro, or you can do a sudo -s and then carry on
[03:11] <fluoro> Matt|: Thanks.
[03:11] <cef_work> Matt|: yes, or look in /etc/rc?.d/ and delete the S##service file (note, not the /etc/init.d/service file, you want to KEEP that)
[03:11] <Matt|> ok gotcha
[03:11] <Matt|> runlevels are standard right?
[03:11] <outcast> anyone knows how can I set a default resolution in the login screen?
[03:11] <Dekkard> anyone have gcombust running properly?
[03:11] <Matt|> default for boot is 5/
[03:11] <Dekkard> with an ide drive?
[03:11] <Matt|> ?
[03:12] <jdub> outcast: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:12] <cef_work> Matt|: debian uses runlevels differently to other distributions.. the default runlevel is 2, and 2,3,4 & 5 are pretty much set up identical
[03:12] <bratsche> jdub!
[03:12] <NeoFax99> outcast: login to X or login to the pc(GRUB/LILO)?
[03:12] <Tux234> Matt| actually runlevel 2 is a graphical boot
[03:12] <jdub> hey bratsche
[03:12] <bratsche> jdub: You're the same jdub I know, right? :)
[03:12] <jdub> yes :)
[03:12] <Matt|> *sighs*
[03:12] <bratsche> Cool.
[03:12] <Matt|> runlevel 2??!?
[03:12] <Tux234> I don't know about the other runlevels
[03:13] <cef_work> Matt|: and controlling the setup of these is a sort of known issue with debian (and ubuntu) that will probably be looked at for the next release
[03:13] <Tux234> Yeah I tried it brought GDM
[03:13] <Matt|> # The default runlevel.
[03:13] <Matt|> id:2:initdefault:
[03:13] <Tux234> *up GDM
[03:13] <Matt|> yup
[03:13] <Matt|> ok thanks
[03:13] <Matt|> they should just use chkconfig it rocks
[03:13] <cef_work> heya jdub
[03:13] <bratsche> jdub: Do you use ubuntu primarily now?
[03:14] <jdub> bratsche: but of course :)
[03:14] <Tux234> When Grub comes up isn't there a recovery mode or something like that?
[03:14] <bratsche> jdub: I just installed it for the first time.
[03:14] <jdub> bratsche: only machine of mine it isn't installed on is the firewall. it's a Qube (mipsel).
[03:14] <LinuxJones> Tux234, hit e for edit
[03:14] <Tux234> I'm pretty sure thats just command prompt
[03:14] <jdub> yo cef_work
[03:14] <Tux234> Sweet THX
[03:15] <cef_work> jdub: where's a good place to put howto's for installer fixups.. I tripped over a bug in the installer on the release version that you can get around with a few commands
[03:15] <jdub> cef_work: maybe in the faq? perhaps filing a bug would be better ;)
[03:15] <bratsche> For some reason I'm getting "No screens found", but I'm not sure why yet.
[03:15] <Matt|> jdub do you know anything about laptop stuff?
[03:16] <jdub> bits and pieces
[03:16] <Matt|> acpi is not accurate
[03:16] <bratsche> I wonder if maybe the "nv" driver doesn't support 6800.
[03:16] <Matt|> Battery 1: charging, 95%, 00:16:40 until charged  <-- yet it is fully charged
[03:16] <bratsche> Is there an easy way to install the "nvidia" driver?
[03:16] <cef_work> jdub: I'm filing a bug.. but this is the release, and we can't exactly go and pop out a new iso for a single bug.. (well, I wouldn't expect so)
[03:16] <jdub> bratsche: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:17] <bratsche> Thanks.  I'll try that.
[03:17] <Matt|> anyone help with that acpi problem??
[03:17] <cef_work> Matt|: how do you know it's fully charged?
[03:17] <jdub> bratsche: then just replace nv with nvidia in your config
[03:17] <cef_work> heya ultrafunk
[03:17] <bratsche> Right.
[03:18] <Tenniru> Hey... this may not be the right place to ask this, but how do I set a default skin in XMMS?
[03:18] <cef_work> jdub: afaik, it does that for you now
[03:18] <Matt|> cef_work, i know it is charged because of the light on the front of the computer
[03:18] <pocolocococo> Tenniru: rtfm
[03:18] <Matt|> lol
[03:18] <Tenniru> Huh?
[03:18] <Matt|> nooooooo don't say that!!
[03:18] <ultrafunk> cef_work: morning :)
[03:18] <jdub> pocolocococo: don't say rtfm please
[03:19] <Matt|> Tenniru find the skin browser using right click
[03:19] <Tenniru> I know.
[03:19] <Tenniru> I just want to set it as default.
[03:19] <attitude> does anyone know anything about mod_ssl and how to get it to work on ubuntu
[03:19] <bratsche> jdub: Thanks, that fixed it.  I guess "nv" doesn't support 6800 yet.
[03:19] <Tenniru> How do I do this?
[03:19] <Matt|> in the skin browser, select (none)
[03:19] <pocolocococo> Now say, My bad, RTMFM
[03:19] <bratsche> Err.. I think it does in the latest Xorg, but not in XFree 4.3
[03:19] <Matt|> pocolocococo, i makes people bad if you say rtfm
[03:20] <Matt|> *it
[03:20] <Tenniru> Yes...?
[03:20] <stormrider> RTFM --- Ready to forget Microsoft?
[03:20] <Matt|> Tenniru, it didn't work?
[03:20] <Tenniru> I selected (none) and it switched skins to the one I don't want.
[03:20] <pocolocococo> rtfm read the fine manual
[03:20] <Tenniru> I don't like the one it always turns on to when I activate the program.
[03:20] <Matt|> ok so you have to find a skin which you like?
[03:20] <Tenniru> I DID! It says nothing.
[03:20] <moyogo> i'm not able to install new mozilla search plugins in firefox, is it just me?
[03:21] <Tenniru> Yes, and I have it in my skins folder. NixAmp.
[03:21] <Tenniru> I just want IT to be default, not (none).
[03:21] <mctavish> G'day all. I have issues :)
[03:21] <Matt|> ah sorry Tenniru can't help, if it is not saving it
[03:21] <Matt|> better try an xmms chan
[03:21] <pocolocococo> ha ha
[03:21] <cef_work> ultrafunk: got that dual opteron installed.. btw: the dual gigE's are broadcom's. the 3ware 9xxx card caused an install issue that I'm filing a bug about, with a work-around *grin*
[03:21] <Matt|> anyone help with that acpi problem?
[03:21] <Tenniru> I'd gladly use RythmBox if it wasn't a pile of guano on my computer.
[03:22] <mctavish> I want to run nautilus as root, so I use Run Application, then sudo nautilus. Sometimes (rarely) this works.
[03:22] <Tux234> Tenniru: Whats wrong with Rythmbox?
[03:23] <mctavish> The authentication log shows (pam_unix) authentication failure ...  Any suggestions?
[03:23] <cef_work> bbk, bug submitting *grin*
[03:23] <Tenniru> It refuses to import my songs.
[03:23] <jdub> mctavish: running nautilus as root is a really bad idea...
[03:23] <Matt|> xmms rocks anyhow
[03:23] <Tenniru> And if that isn't enough, when I try to play a streaming radio station it locks up.
[03:23] <jdub> mctavish: what are you trying to do?
[03:23] <Tux234> From a windows partition?
[03:24] <Tenniru> Yeah, but xmms won't change skins and clashes terribly with the rest of my GNOME theme.
[03:24] <moyogo> oh well... found the bug in bugzilla
[03:24] <Tux234> Hmmm...
[03:24] <Matt|> Tenniru, is it set to select a random skin on play?
[03:24] <Tenniru> No.
[03:24] <mctavish> Bad idea huh? I just want to do the admin stuff like copying files around etc without using the command line. So how would I approach that?
[03:24] <Tux234> Is it in the theme folder?
[03:24] <Tenniru> It always goes to (none) whenever I turn it on.
[03:25] <stormrider> Do you have any skins in ~/.xmms/Skins?
[03:25] <Tenniru> Yes, it is. I can select and activate the theme, but when I turn the program off and turn it on again...
[03:25] <LinuxJones> mctavish, sudo nautilus
[03:25] <Tenniru> It's in /.xmms/skins.
[03:25] <Tux234> Oh
[03:25] <stormrider> No, it should be in ~/.xmms/Skins.
[03:25] <Tenniru> It is.
[03:25] <Tenniru> I just forgot the ~ thing.
[03:25] <stormrider> Ok.
[03:25] <jdub> mctavish: what kind of things do you want to do, and why can't you do it with the command line?
[03:27] <Matt|> jdub you do not work with acpi?
[03:28] <mctavish> jdub: why? laziness really :)
[03:28] <jdub> Matt|: i don't know much about acpi
[03:28] <jdub> mctavish: i'd really strongly discourage you from running nautilus as root
[03:28] <Matt|> jdub, know anyone who does? :)
[03:28] <jdub> in general, you shouldn't have to 'manage' files that are not your own
[03:28] <ultrafunk> cef_work: nice, I spent the last two days getting things running on the dual-celeron instead, between ACPI lockups and isapnp bugs, then having two out of the six maxtors in the machine failing miserably ... i've got a new meaning of hatred for the installer.
[03:29] <mctavish> jdub: ok then
[03:29] <jdub> Matt|: just ask your questions here, there are lots of people who may be able to help
[03:29] <Matt|> problem is that i don't know what the problem is
[03:29] <Matt|> i've asked already
[03:29] <Tenniru> That's weird. I selected "select random skin" and now it's default is the theme I wanted!
[03:29] <Matt|> Battery 1: charging, 95%, 00:16:40 until charged  <-- yet it is fully charged
[03:29] <Tenniru> I love XMMS now.
[03:29] <robertj> jdub: how can you drag /bin to the trash if you are not root?
[03:29] <Matt|> Tenniru, i think you'll find the select sign is just weird
[03:29] <jdub> Matt|: so noone here knows about that
[03:30] <jdub> robertj: not entirely funny.
[03:30] <Matt|> lol
[03:30] <Matt|> robertj, yes that was funny
[03:30] <ultrafunk> Matt|: what laptop have you got, that sounds like a DSDT bug.
[03:30] <robertj> jdub: btw, just so you don't fall into the same pothoe as OS X, OS X crashes if you drag System to the Trash ;)
[03:30] <robertj> But it doesn't show the Trash can as full
[03:30] <Matt|> i have a Compaq Presario 2104 EA
[03:30] <Matt|> ultrafunk, thanks for answering
[03:30] <jdub> robertj: brilliant...
[03:31] <Matt|> ultrafunk, what is DSDT?
[03:31] <robertj> (everyone should have a student worker to lighten their day)
[03:32] <Tux234> When I play games on my computer I don't get any sound
[03:32] <Tux234> Also don't get any sound on non-Gnome apps like xmms
[03:33] <Tux234> I'm usin ALSA BTW
[03:33] <ultrafunk> Matt|: a DSDT contains a bunch of things your laptop BIOS needs to determine the support of your hardware correctly
[03:33] <Matt|> ultrafunk, i have never had this problem with any other distros or with Windows
[03:33] <robertj> I was really suprised though
[03:33] <robertj> I kinda thought OS X would prevent that, but I guess not ;)
[03:34] <Matt|> ultrafunk, do you know what I can do to solve the problem?
[03:34] <robertj> It's really very helpful. It prompts you to elevate your permissions so it can find it's way to ~/.Trash
[03:34] <ultrafunk> Matt|: occasionally, the newer drops of ACPI code cause issues in laptops that you wouldn't have had under 2.2/2.4 or earlier 2.6
[03:35] <Matt|> ultrafunk, i've used the same kernel without problems on other distros
[03:35] <Matt|> although I have not compiled my own kernel with ubuntu
[03:35] <ultrafunk> Matt|: not off the top of my head (every laptop has a different DSDT block), but http://acpi.sf.net is the best place to start looking
[03:36] <Matt|> ultrafunk, but doesn't the fact that it has always worked in the past indicate that it is a problem with ubuntu?
[03:36] <ultrafunk> Matt|: so you've used the Ubuntu kernel on another distribution -- or plain <IP_ADDRESS>?
[03:36] <Matt|> ultrafunk, clean kernel
[03:36] <Matt|> are there some strange ubuntu acpi patches?
[03:37] <ultrafunk> Matt|: then i'd say you've got a problem with the ACPI patch that is included in the warty release
[03:37] <Matt|> ultrafunk, ok we're really getting somewhere now
[03:37] <Matt|> ultrafunk, what can i do about this?
[03:37] <Matt|> file a bug? ;)
[03:39] <ultrafunk> Matt|: i've got a compile happening with a backported version of the newer code (2004-10-10) with some pieces backed out that aren't needed, if it works for me, i'd be happy to support a request for enhancement to either get the code replaced, or backed out.
[03:39] <ultrafunk> Matt|: if you don't find a working DSDT for your laptop, i'd file a bug though.
[03:40] <Matt|> ok thanks
[03:41] <Matt|> i'm sure there is a bug there already
[03:41] <Matt|> am looking now
[03:42] <Matt|> hmmm the bug search thing is weird
[03:43] <Matt|> the more words it put in the search string, the more results come up
[03:43] <Matt|> even if I use "AND"
[03:46] <Matt|> hmmm wait a tic
[03:46] <Matt|> how can I tell which repository a particular package has come from?
[03:51] <LinuxJones> night all
[03:53] <mctavish> Question: I have a 9600xt. On install I xf86config4 had "sis" as the driver (I found a bug in bugzilla on this) so I changed it to "vesa" and got x working ...
[03:54] <mctavish> ... What would the correct driver for this card be?
[03:55] <maswan> daniels: btw, I did find a working workaround for the suspen problem on my x40
[03:56] <maswan> daniels: if you are around this time :)
[03:56] <Tux234> l@t3r
[03:57] <daniels> maswan: is that sleeping after the chvt?
[03:58] <maswan> daniels: yeah, well, another chvt and sleep before doing the rest of the stuff, but probably just a sleep would be good enough. with a 20% failure rate, testing is kind of annoying.
[04:00] <maswan> daniels: An extra sleep 1 after you've closed the lid isn't that bad. :)
[04:00] <paulproteus> What's the easiest way to switch virtual desktop from keyboard?  I can't figure out the keyboard command in GNOME.  In KDE it's e.g. Ctrl-F2 for desktop 2.
[04:01] <snazbaz> ctrl alt <left arrow>
[04:01] <snazbaz> ctrl alt <right arrow>
[04:01] <daniels> maswan: yeah, I'll just stick with chvt 1; sleep 1, I think
[04:01] <paulproteus> Ah, thanks, snazbaz.
[04:02] <maswan> daniels: if you have a new package for me, I can do another set of testing for completeness.
[04:05] <daniels> maswan: not quite yet, still battling random failures myself, introduced with my new module-removal/adding code
[04:05] <maswan> daniels: sure, just let me know
[04:06] <daniels> maswan: will do, cheers
[04:07] <cef_work> heya daniels
[04:10] <daniels> cef_work: hey dude
[04:13] <mightyMik> this thing work?
[04:13] <Yannick_> everyone happy with ubuntu linux?
[04:13] <pocolocococo> no
[04:14] <Yannick_> no?
[04:14] <mightyMik> I'm not *quite* happy. i can't get it to install
[04:14] <Yannick_> and why?
[04:14] <pocolocococo> um i know too much to use fake debian eh he
[04:15] <daniels> pocolocococo: out of curiousity, why do you lurk here?
[04:15] <Yannick_> you know too much? what does that mean?
[04:15] <mightyMik> i don't know about 'fake' debian...but i was able to install 'sarge'. works OK
[04:17] <mightyMik> BUT...that brings up the question...if 'sarge' was able to install, why not ubuntu? same installer, no?
[04:17] <daniels> mightyMik: they use the same base, but different kernels, different autodetection, different modules; we have made many customisations.
[04:18] <mightyMik> ok...i think there's a bug in the ubuntu installer
[04:19] <Yannick_> so ubuntu isn't sarge plus spcial configuration, but sarge base package + many other special package and customisation?
[04:19] <jdub> Yannick_: it's based on debian sid
[04:19] <Yannick_> debian sid is?
[04:19] <Yannick_> developpement version?
[04:19] <bur[n] er> you're kidding?
[04:19] <bur[n] er> yeah
[04:19] <Yannick_> no
[04:19] <bur[n] er> sid == unstable
[04:20] <jdub> the permanent development branch of debian
[04:20] <Yannick_> ok
[04:20] <bur[n] er> sid == crazy kid in toy story == unstable kid == unstable distro :)
[04:20] <Yannick_> i never used debian, is that a crime ;-)
[04:20] <bur[n] er> in some places
[04:20] <bur[n] er> it's good stuff
[04:21] <Yannick_> oh no.... please, please forgive me my lord Debian
[04:21] <Yannick_> ;-)
[04:21] <mightyMik> I like it so far...once i got past the install issue
[04:21] <Yannick_> so should I install ubuntu or sarge?
[04:21] <mightyMik> BUT...it's onky Gnome 2.6...not 2.8
[04:22] <Yannick_> what are the real advantages of ubuntu over normal debian
[04:22] <jdub> it's 2.8
[04:22] <mightyMik> try the unbuntu installer, if that fails, try the sarge net install
[04:22] <jdub> Yannick_: see the faq on our website for these kinds of questions
[04:22] <mightyMik> sarge is 2.6
[04:23] <Yannick_> thanks jdub
[04:25] <mightyMik> it would be nice if ubuntu had netinstall
[04:25] <daniels> mightyMik: it does
[04:25] <daniels> (or floppy)
[04:25] <mightyMik> that works? 'install' disk has issues for me
[04:26] <daniels> i haven't tried the cd-rom drive, but netboot worked just fine for me.
[04:29] <mightyMik> i see warty live, and wart release install, but no warty netinstall
[04:29] <calc> daniels: btw someone forgot to include wpa-supplicant in ubuntu ;)
[04:30] <daniels> calc: i saw your blog, yah
[04:30] <calc> it seems that prism54 won't be supported with it until the prism54 guys release their cvs driver though, wpa already supports it in cvs as well
[04:31] <calc> would be cool to have that integrated with that NetworkManager thing
[04:32] <bur[n] er> w00t!!  http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gparted/gparted_0.0.6-1_i386.deb?download  <--gparted deb package :)
[04:32] <bur[n] er> would make a nice, needed addition for ubuntu
[04:33] <cef_work> daniels: got the dual opteron installed - yay!
[04:33] <daniels> cef_work: nice
[04:33] <bob2> gparted is already in Debian...
[04:33] <cef_work> daniels: x detection failed during the installer though *thump!*
[04:34] <maswan> cef_work: any interesting dual opteron? like the sff iwill one? :)
[04:35] <daniels> cef_work: we don't have a way to do ddc on amd64 short of emulating x86, making the int call and just hoping for the best
[04:35] <cef_work> daniels: onboard ATI Rage XL, so I can see why... but still.. I'm sure you have RageXL cards amongst those I gave you *hint hint!*
[04:35] <daniels> that's how X does it
[04:35] <cef_work> daniels: ahh fair enuff
[04:35] <daniels> cef_work: they work fine on i386 :)
[04:36] <cef_work> maswan: Tyan S2882 board (Serverworks chipset, dual broadcom GigE's onboard)
[04:36] <maswan> cef_work: ah, ok, familar stuff to me then. :)
[04:37] <jdub> mmm, tyan
[04:37] <cef_work> maswan: and a 3Ware SATA IDE Raid card, which caused the installer to crap out on second boot (bug filed and a work around supplied too)
[04:37] <maswan> cef_work: ah, ok. we got a rack of those with two 3ware cards. :)
[04:38] <maswan> http://www.acc.umu.se/~maswan/bilder/20041007-HPC2N-HPFS/index.html?large=no&flow=yes
[04:38] <cef_work> maswan: the 9xxx series cards? then yeah, they'd have this issue
[04:38] <maswan> cef_work: nah, 8xxx series
[04:39] <cef_work> maswan: installer loads the module but decides that it doesn't need to be added to the initrd.. which is bad if you have the root FS on there... oops!
[04:39] <maswan> cef_work: oops.
[04:39] <cef_work> I should actually reboot the box since I installed the smp kernel on it.. bbk
[04:40] <calc> the new imacs look pretty, saw one at fry's today
[04:40] <calc> the new apple standalone lcds look very nice as well
[04:40] <mightyMik> your best buys always get fried...
[04:41] <maswan> calc: ah, yeah, looks neat
[04:41] <maswan> calc: ooh, lots of pixels too.
[04:42] <robertj> calc: and they have user replacable lcds
[04:42] <bur[n] er> bob2: new .6 version?  i had no idea
[04:42] <robertj> how much it owuld cost you to replace, I dunno, but its a part you can replace yourself without voiding your warrenty
[04:42] <calc> robertj: oh cool
[04:42] <robertj> personally I think they are ugly, overpriced, but practical
[04:43] <calc> well it would be a bit nicer if the bottom area wasn't so large
[04:43] <calc> it looks a bit odd
[04:44] <robertj> yeah, that's my beef with it
[04:44] <robertj> and the price
[04:44] <calc> yea after proper equipping it and warranty extension its about $3000
[04:46] <robertj> OS X is technically very neat but still a pain because it's not windows
[04:46] <calc> linux is not windows
[04:47] <calc> what does windows have to do with anything?
[04:47] <robertj> True but noone expects it to be
[04:48] <robertj> Also you do occasionally stumble across a feature that just isn't there and nees to be (SSL in the Finder is a big one for me)
[04:48] <robertj> The Finder & Dock is OS X's finest feature, bar none.
[04:48] <calc> why does the finder need ssl?
[04:48] <robertj> Calc: webda
[04:48] <robertj> err secure webdav
[04:48] <calc> oh
[04:49] <calc> safari doesn't do webdav?
[04:49] <robertj> Calc: Safari isn't Finder. Our school is adopting Novel NetStorage for home directorys.
[04:49] <robertj> Which work fine in Gnome's VFS, XP, and via Goliath
[04:50] <robertj> but your average user doesn't have any prayer of using Goliath's FTP style interace
[04:51] <bur[n] er> bob2: i think you're wrong about gparted in debian...  libgcc1 1.3.4 is to be installed, but 1.4 is necessary... and this is on my debian box, not ubuntu
[04:51] <robertj> Also, working with Apple Harware is a pain in the buttox
[04:52] <robertj> Little things, like standard drives not fitting in their drive bays because tehre is some nifty cable shield that is custom fitted down to one millionth of an inch
[04:55] <calc> robertj: hehe
[04:56] <srbaker_> having sound trouble.
[04:56] <srbaker_> toshiba tecra 8100, sound is scratchy
[04:56] <robertj> calc: also, they have licenced patents from Gensu to incorporate into their case internals
[04:57] <robertj> or Ginsu rather
[04:57] <robertj> Eveyone should have a mac for a month though.
[04:58] <calc> robertj: a joke about sharp edges?
[04:59] <ygnome> macs are ok, look around any linux conf and you'll see heaps of them.
[04:59] <calc> i would be surprised that an apple case would be that low quality to not have rounded edges
[04:59] <calc> only the lowest quality pc cases have sharp edges
[05:00] <ygnome> calc: I've never cut myself on the inside of a mac, but just about any PC tried to shave my skin off...
[05:00] <robertj> My co-worker diced his hands up decently on a Mirror-Door G4
[05:01] <calc> robertj: fun :\
[05:01] <robertj> And then there are the "cross-platform" apps
[05:01] <calc> the last time i was around a sharp case was when i worked for a company building really cheap systems
[05:01] <ygnome> calc: be careful, some of those upper quality pc cases with folded edges still have some nasty sharps in them.
[05:01] <calc> of course any prebuilt system you see in stores probably qualifies as cheap as well ;)
[05:01] <robertj> prebuilt rocks you
[05:02] <robertj> my emachine cost $300
[05:02] <robertj> 2.8 ghz Celeron-D with 512 megs of ram, dvd reader, cd writer
[05:02] <maswan> bah, if you haven't sprinkled blood into the case, how could it work?
[05:02] <calc> i got an emachine laptop :)
[05:02] <mightyMik> ballmer wants a $99 box
[05:02] <ygnome> maswan: that's supposed to be goats blood!
[05:02] <bborkk> Hiya.  I uncommented the universe deb and deb-src files in my /etc/apt/sources.list file, but now apt gives me errors complaining there are duplicate entries.  Does the 'universe' tag not count as a separate entry?
[05:03] <calc> mightyMik: a $100 box so more people won't pirate, i think he gets his ideas from bush
[05:03] <ygnome> bborkk: just run update again.
[05:03] <robertj> guy at works says "Spend $1600 and buy a G5, it will last you 4 years." At what I am paying I can take that same money and buy a new eMachine next year that will be as fast as that G5.
[05:03] <calc> they can't afford a pc to begin with but if it only costs $100 they will buy software according to his idea
[05:03] <maswan> ygnome: nah, don't have many goats around
[05:03] <calc> robertj: not likely, speed has stalled out for the past several years
[05:03] <Despair> calc: if there's no margin in PCs, it's more room for the xbox to expand upwards. ;)
[05:04] <mightyMik> and they will run linux on them :) hehehehe
[05:04] <robertj> calc: bahh, most people are thieves and would steal his wives jewelry if they could get away on it
[05:04] <bborkk> ygnome: I did, but apt complains saying, "W: Duplicate sources.list entry..."
[05:04] <robertj> calc: yeah, but price has'nt
[05:04] <calc> though a $1600 G5 is a slow single cpu one anyway, so could be surpassed
[05:05] <calc> robertj: so next year pcs will be free? ;)
[05:05] <robertj> calc: you'd be a fool to buy a single proc G5 tower though
[05:05] <calc> prices of the high end cpus haven't been dropping much
[05:05] <robertj> calc: no, I'm not saying that
[05:05] <maswan> I've never really understood the hunt for faster cpus..
[05:06] <robertj> I'm saying that a low end processor will be just as fast next year as this years mid to high range
[05:06] <maswan> I just buy one in the lower price range
[05:06] <robertj> and I think thats gonna happen even if no tech advances happen
[05:06] <maswan> and put the money into ram, because that actually makes a difference
[05:06] <robertj> If for no other reason than it has to happen in order to make intel and amd look like they aren't falling behind
[05:07] <ygnome> maswan: and fast disks
[05:07] <robertj> And a good keyboard/mouse
[05:07] <calc> robertj: they are
[05:07] <bborkk> and blue leds.
[05:07] <maswan> robertj: well, those I don't buy new, since I have one.
[05:07] <calc> robertj: didn't notice the cancellation of p4 4ghz?
[05:08] <calc> not reschedule, complete cancellation
[05:08] <calc> they are hoping dual core will work out by mid next year
[05:08] <maswan> calc: hitting the head against the thermal envelope, hard, I think.
[05:08] <robertj> I payed $48, including S&H and tax for a new MS Natural and Intellemouse Explorer IV (do they not make the USB Naturals anymore?)
[05:08] <calc> maswan: yes
[05:08] <ygnome> calc: must have reached the practical limit of cpu speed for the P4
[05:08] <robertj> calc: Thermal is a big deal
[05:08] <robertj> and noise to me
[05:08] <calc> and amd looks like they may be getting close
[05:08] <robertj> If I could a gig cube I'd put down a grand for it
[05:09] <calc> or just waiting for intel and making as much money in the meantime ;)
[05:09] <maswan> robertj: I got an old icl keyboard that feels kind of like a sun type5 and a logitech oem-only mouse that I bought separately. :)
[05:09] <calc> robertj: i have a near silent athlon64 3200 :)
[05:09] <robertj> maswan: the Intellimouse explorer feels real nice
[05:09] <calc> robertj: you should get an ibm model m
[05:09] <robertj> the $50 mouse is a lot more pallatable in the $15 oem model
[05:09] <cef_work> the dual opteron behind me is dead quiet
[05:09] <ygnome> calc: how did u do that (quiet)
[05:10] <cef_work> (and yes, it's on)
[05:10] <robertj> I'e fantasized about stealing one from the library
[05:10] <calc> ygnome: antec sonata, radeon 9600 (no fan), panaflo 120mm fans in the case
[05:10] <maswan> robertj: Nah, I don't want large mice with scrollwheels and whatever. Just a resonably small, usable, 3-button mouse.
[05:11] <calc> and a new pioneer 16x dvd-rw, which is amazingly quiet when in use
[05:11] <maswan> heh, my current workstation actually is totally silent, but then it was bought as a htpc and not a workstation (mini-itx, no hdd, all passive cooling)
[05:11] <cef_work> PSU in this thing is a 520W whisper quiet job - 23 dB fan
[05:11] <calc> i should have taken the model m from work when i had the chance, no one wanted it around
[05:12] <robertj> maswan: for that I like the logitech opticals, the little purple dealies ;)
[05:12] <calc> they made me stop using it too ;)
[05:12] <cef_work> not going to complain about it.. pity the machine is destined for the server room *sulk*
[05:12] <maswan> calc: heh, I have one of those at work. we actually have a decent-sized supply of them, since they are probably hard to get new. :)
[05:12] <calc> maswan: yea
[05:12] <regeya> so...will it majorly screw things up if I did something like, oh, say, include debian sid and pinned warty at a higher priority?  I'd like to install a newer scribus (IIRC 1.2 release is in Sid)
[05:14] <calc> "When used in an office or other LAN environment, everyone in the room knows by the distintinctive "machine-gun like" typing sound that you have a real keyboard." <- exactly the reason they made me stop ;)
[05:14] <maswan> calc: hehe
[05:15] <robertj> hrmm it just occurs to me I've never actually pressed any of the "multimedia" buttons on my keyboard
[05:15] <regeya> aw, set 'em up, robertj!  it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling when they work.
[05:16] <bborkk> Anyone know what apt is trying to tell me when it says "W: Couldn't stat source package list foo"?
[05:16] <regeya> If you're using ubuntu 'n gnome, you can set up such shortcuts in Keyboard Shortcuts
[05:17] <regeya> gnome is so delightfully cheesy these days (but I like it)
[05:17] <robertj> Whee
[05:17] <Zindar> bborkk: try sudo apt-get update first
[05:18] <bborkk> Zindar: I did, but to no avail.
[05:18] <Zindar> bborkk: what happens...
[05:18] <robertj> Hrmm, some of em don't work
[05:18] <robertj> Lock Screen, which seems like a likely candidate for being useful
[05:19] <Zindar> maswan: what the $"#(/$ are you going up this time of day?
[05:19] <maswan> Zindar: being broken, as usual. :)
[05:19] <mightyMik> bbl
[05:19] <Zindar> maswan: go to bed :)
[05:19] <Zindar> maswan: I'm going to lunch... *gone*
[05:19] <maswan> Zindar: Well, at this time of day, it would do more damage than good.
[05:21] <robertj> regeya: it does kinda feel warm and fuzzy now that I've done it
[05:21] <robertj> it makes me wish I had a media file to listen too
[05:22] <robertj> really I think I need three to feel happy about the track skip buttons
[05:22] <robertj> ooh, and I could get a printer to use the "Print" button
[05:23] <bborkk> Zindar: apt-get update returns a bunch of hit messages, a couple of failed messages and about half a dozen couldn't stat source package list messages for http://mentors.debian.net
[05:24] <bborkk> Zindar: Claims no such file or directory
[05:29] <robertj> Ahh, Hide all Windows and Focus Desktop is a nice option to find
[05:30] <benerb> does anyone know if there is a setting to change your preferred multimedia sink as there is in Fedora Core?  I am having some issues with Rhythmbox making crackling sounds while playing music.
[05:31] <defendguin> no gaim encryption available for ubuntu?
[05:31] <defendguin> this sucks
[05:35] <benerb> paulproteus, that suggestion for using the hex in the network properties page worked...i feel retarded...thank you very much again for your help
[05:35] <mirak_> can anyone help me to install nvu? please
[05:36] <srbaker_> grrrrr
[05:36] <srbaker_> i need an alsa expert here
[05:36] <mirak_> srbaker, no sound?
[05:36] <mirak_> srbaker, via chipset?
[05:37] <srbaker_> ymfpci
[05:37] <srbaker_> and it's scratchy
[05:37] <mirak_> hmm....above me...thought maybe you have the same problem as i did....i can fix that......sorry
[05:38] <mirak_> but normaly scratchy sound means....time for new card
[05:38] <benerb> do either of you (mirak or srbaker) know if you can change the multimedia preferred devices like in Fedora Core?
[05:38] <mirak_> never used fedora...and dont really know what you are talking about
[05:38] <benerb> heh
[05:39] <mirak_> like change default app??
[05:39] <benerb> i guess that is fair..it is not bad
[05:39] <benerb> yes...you can change the sink
[05:39] <benerb> to esd, arts, alsa, or oss
[05:39] <benerb> for all apps
[05:40] <benerb> i think it may have something to do with the HAL they recently implemented
[05:40] <benerb> and ubuntu as well, though ubuntu seems to have far less configuration apps
[05:40] <mirak_> benerb, go to computer-desktop preferences-prefered apps............is that what you are talking about?
[05:41] <benerb> no...it is just for audio/video stuff
[05:41] <benerb> but similar in nature
[05:41] <mirak_> <-------3 week old newb...........sorry
[05:41] <mirak_> but maybe you can help me install "NVU"?
[05:41] <benerb> heh...i am just learning ubuntu...and it is quite different as well from FC..which i have been using since the beginning
[05:42] <benerb> thanks anyway
[05:42] <mirak_> :)
[05:44] <DamageControl> suup?
[05:47] <sabmoc> any mono hackers?
[05:48] <sabmoc> i thought ubuntu had pretty good mono support, but im getting Cannot find assembly `gtk-sharp' errors even though im specifying it on the command line
[05:50] <bob2> did you install it?
[05:50] <DJ_Stefan0> Will the .ISO file of Ubuntu I download be damaged if I use the latest version of Getright on Windows to download it and then ocasionaly pause the download, or the computer restarts and then i continue from there? does any1 know?
[05:50] <rbrad> sabmoc: I think mono is scheduled for the next release: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/mono
[05:51] <paulproteus> sabmoc: Have you added the sources.list entry at getsweaa for Mono in Ubuntu?
[05:51] <bob2> DJ_Stefan0: if it corrupts the iso then it's a horribly buggy program
[05:51] <bob2> DJ_Stefan0: just check the md5sum
[05:51] <calc> DJ_Stefan0: just check the md5 afterwards to be certain its not corrupt
[05:51] <sabmoc> paulproteus: yep, i have tomboy installed and the whole bunch
[05:51] <paulproteus> DJ_Stefan0: No, the ISO should not be damaged.  You should test it afterward if you're unsure at the end; but Getright is a good program and won't corrupt your download.
[05:51] <sabmoc> paulproteus: i used to hack on mono a bit but ive been away for a few dozen releases cause ive been busy, but im tring to get back into it
[05:52] <bob2> sabmoc: do you have libgtk-cil installed?
[05:53] <sabmoc> bob2 yes
[05:53] <DJ_Stefan0> thanx
[05:55] <defendguin> has anyone got a working gaim encryption plugin for ubuntu?
[05:56] <nickers> defendguin, there is a repos with one....but you have to get rid of the gaim ubuntu ships with and use debian sid one
[05:57] <defendguin> nickers, yeah and it wants to get rid of a lot of crap
[05:57] <defendguin> might as well be running sid
[05:58] <nickers> defendguin, been there done that...im a gentoo guy and even sid seemed to much work
[05:59] <benerb> ok
[05:59] <sabmoc> bob2 any other ideas dude?
[05:59] <nickers> defendguin, compile !
[05:59] <benerb> quit
[05:59] <bob2> nickers: sid is no work for experienced users
[05:59] <bob2> sabmoc: do you have build-essential and the "mono" package installed?
[06:00] <sabmoc> ye ye
[06:00] <bob2> well, it works for me
[06:00] <defendguin> nickers cant compile
[06:00] <sabmoc> damn, no it doesnt
[06:00] <bob2> building tomboy, at least, which needed all that stuff
[06:00] <nickers> bob2, add this repos....now add this package...now link this to get this repos...then do this
[06:01] <bob2> nickers: er, no
[06:01] <defendguin> nickers, no gaim-dev package in ubunut
[06:01] <defendguin> ubuntu
[06:01] <bob2> defendguin: bulid gaim from source, I think he means
[06:01] <jdub> with the universe mono packages, tomboy works fine
[06:01] <sabmoc> bob2 liar :)
[06:01] <nickers> yeppers defendguin, build from source
[06:01] <defendguin> uggggggg
[06:02] <defendguin> then whats the freaking point of apt?
[06:02] <bob2> sabmoc: it works for at least me, tseng and mxpxd
[06:02] <sabmoc> well then, damn you all
[06:02] <bob2> defendguin: I'm sorry not every single package anyone could possibly want is packaged
[06:02] <defendguin> im trying to keep my package management system in order and not have hlaf installed this way and half installed that way
[06:02] <jdub> defendguin: apt does not build, test, stabilise and support software. humans do that.
[06:02] <bob2> defendguin: you can file a RFP bug on Debian, then if someone packages it, it can go into universe.
[06:02] <bob2> defendguin: or you could package it
[06:03] <tseng> bob2: did you see the bug, i did actually miss a ) in build-depend
[06:03] <nickers> jdub, i think what he is getting at is ubuntu is like the bastard child right now and what you want isnt always there. and to run stuff you add this repos to get it. who knows if that addy will still exist next apt-get update
[06:03] <bob2> tseng: ah, heh
[06:03] <bob2> the vast vast vast majority of the world's Free software is in universe
[06:03] <jdub> nickers: no, that's totally inaccurate.
[06:04] <bob2> if an occasional package you want is not, you can package it or ask someone else to do so
[06:04] <jdub> nickers: if it's not in main, it's unsupported. if it's not in universe or multiverse, it's not packged for ubuntu. it may be elsewhere.
[06:04] <nickers> jdub, what happens when ubuntu does package it?
[06:05] <nickers> jdub, is there an upgrade path for running all this stuff from elsewhere to get a working system?
[06:05] <jdub> then it'll be in main or universe/multiverse
[06:05] <sabmoc> whats the difference between universe and multiverse
[06:05] <bob2> multiverse is non-free stuff
[06:05] <jdub> nickers: if you use stuff from elsewhere, you are on your own. you're doing something outside the scope of ubuntu.
[06:05] <Zindar> gees.. if you run stuff not from the ubuntu-repositories.. how can you expect an upgrade path
[06:05] <nickers> Zindar, exactly!
[06:05] <bob2> nickers: ubuntu (or debian or anyone) cannot provide an upgrade path from every random package
[06:06] <bob2> so don't run stuff from outside ubuntu
[06:06] <Zindar> amazing...
[06:06] <sabmoc> bob2 free as in freedom, or beer
[06:06] <bob2> sabmoc: freedom
[06:06] <jdub> you do not have to use stuff from non-ubuntu repositories to have a 'working system'
[06:06] <sabmoc> i could use some free beer
[06:07] <tseng> there are 100s of packages..
[06:07] <regeya> I could use scribus 1.2 release.
[06:07] <sabmoc> bob2 whats the easiest way to reinstall all the mono packages? something must be wrong
[06:07] <regeya> rather than 1.2cvs built in may.
[06:07] <bob2> regeya: is a newer version in sid?
[06:07] <Zindar> sabmoc: define "all the mono packages"
[06:07] <bob2> sabmoc: I don't see how reinstalling would help...
[06:07] <regeya> indeed there is, bob2.
[06:08] <regeya> 1.2 release iirc.
[06:08] <bob2> regeya: you can build that to a .deb on ubuntu
[06:08] <sabmoc> its helped before, maybe i made a mistake somewhere the first time around
[06:08] <nickers> alrighty so i install pan from universe...which as i understand is not supported right? something this basic should be in default but its not...so someone should soon realize it needs to be(evo doesnt count. usnet was at best an after thought)
[06:08] <regeya> so, so tempted.
[06:08] <bob2> and when hoary opens up it can be synced
[06:08] <nickers> what now? it comes into ubuntu default
[06:08] <nickers> upgrade path???? zero
[06:08] <bob2> nickers: what you want != what the rest of the universe wants
[06:08] <sabmoc> Zindar: whatevers needed to program in mono/gtk#/gnome#
[06:08] <nickers> oh just reinstall
[06:08] <jdub> nickers: erm, there's no upgrade path problems there at all.
[06:08] <bob2> nickers: no, stop whinging, universe will have a reasonable upgrade path
[06:08] <GotD0t> question: does anybody know how i can use the courier new font in OO.org?
[06:08] <jdub> nickers: there's no problem at all if something moves from universe to main.
[06:09] <tseng> why are we complaining about a non-issue
[06:09] <sabmoc> Zindar: im getting this > $ mcs -r:gtk-sharp hello.cs
[06:09] <sabmoc> error CS0006: Cannot find assembly `gtk-sharp'
[06:09] <jdub> tseng: it's just a misunderstanding
[06:09] <Zindar> sabmoc: install libgtk-cil
[06:09] <nickers> later on....distro is great....ill try it on a 6.0 release...back to gentoo
[06:09] <sabmoc> Zindar: it is installed
[06:10] <tseng> thats not a misunderstanding, thats a troll :P
[06:10] <bob2> yeah
[06:10] <bob2> lots of borderline gentoo trolls this week
[06:10] <Zindar> sabmoc: then learn how to use mcs :)
[06:10] <jdub> no, the dude didn't grok that there was no upgrade path issue
[06:10] <jdub> he may have been an annoying git, but he did lack information
[06:10] <bob2> yes, but he ignored it when you informed him
[06:11] <Zindar> sabmoc: try -pkg:gtk-sharp
[06:11] <joem> tseng, he just wasn't offered the high performance he was used to :)
[06:11] <jdub> bob2: he may have felt like an idiot :)
[06:11] <tseng> ^5s joem while laughing hysterically at ATHF
[06:11] <bob2> jdub: heh
[06:11] <sabmoc> Zindar: sorry, ive been running a restaurant for the past few months and this is the first chance ive had to have some fun but ive forgotten a lot it seems
[06:12] <regeya> OMFG ATHF
[06:12] <Zindar> sabmoc: or things has changed.. the default install dir of gtk-sharp is now in the gac and -r doesn't look in the gac
[06:12] <Zindar> :)
[06:14] <sabmoc> Zindar: i was around when the talk of GAC first started, but i disapeared before it arrived.. what exactly is GAC?
[06:22] <cef_work> mdz: boo!
[06:22] <rbrad> Anyone have luck with the evolution-exchange package with Exchange 2000? specifically the calandaring?
[06:23] <cef_work> mdz: <-- 3w_9xxx driver bug
[06:23] <mdz> bob2: trolls are read-only media
[06:23] <bob2> hehehehe
[06:24] <cef_work> mdz: so if there is something I can run (eg: detection scripts to see what went wrong) then just ask
[06:28] <mdz> cef_work: do you know the answer to the question I asked in my comment?
[06:29] <cef_work> mdz: yup.. replied via bugzilla.. it appears as standard scsi devices
[06:29] <bborkk> how does apt handle the "universe" tags attached to the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[06:29] <sabmoc> is google down?
[06:29] <mdz> cef_work: I'm surprised it doesn't work, then.  what's the name in /proc/scsi?
[06:30] <bob2> bborkk: how do you mean?
[06:31] <bborkk> Well, apt-get upgrade keeps warning me that I have duplicate entries, one of them being the ubuntu universe entry.  I tried updating, but that just warns me that it can't stat the source list for mentors.debian.org and doesn't fix the duplicate entry problem.
[06:32] <cef_work> mdz: there isn't a /proc/scsi as such. there is /proc/scsi/scsi, which lists the 3ware card, device-info (with nothing worthwhile in it), and a sata_sil direcrtory
[06:32] <bob2> bborkk: paste your sources.list to #flood
[06:32] <Hikaru79> :) Just wondering if shipping of the complimentary CD's has begun for those who ordered them?
[06:32] <GotD0t> what can i use to burn audio cd's?
[06:33] <bob2> Hikaru79: no
[06:33] <Hikaru79> Ah, ok
[06:33] <Hikaru79> Thanks, bob2 :)
[06:33] <bob2> Hikaru79: late november-ish
[06:33] <Hikaru79> Just wondering ^ ^
[06:33] <bob2> well, they'll arrive then
[06:33] <bborkk> bob2: Done.  I think.
[06:33] <bob2> bborkk: well, you do have duplicate entries
[06:34] <cef_work> mdz: this is quite a new driver in the kernel (2.6.8 afaik was the first stable to see it).. so it's quite possible it's not providing the right info
[06:34] <bob2> bborkk: remove "warty universe" from the second archive.ubuntu line
[06:36] <mdz> cef_work: so there is no /proc/scsi subdirectory?
[06:36] <bborkk> bob2: Ah.  I wish I had more eyes.  Thanks.
[06:36] <mdz> cef_work: I mean, no subdirectory under /proc/scsi which corresponds to the 3ware?
[06:36] <GotD0t> what can i use to burn audio cd's?
[06:36] <cef_work> mdz: not by itself, no
[06:36] <bborkk> bob2: Or, if I wanted to keep the universe, should I get rid of the first two archive.ubuntu entries?
[06:37] <bob2> bborkk: no, what I said will let you continue to use universe
[06:37] <bob2> bborkk: but will remove t he error
[06:37] <GotD0t> hello?
[06:37] <cef_work> /proc/scsi # ls ->> device_info  sata_sil  scsi
[06:37] <bob2> GotD0t: I use cdrdao, but that's not the answer you're looking for
[06:37] <cef_work> mdz: and only sata_sil is actually a directory
[06:38] <mdz> cef_work: that's what I suspected from looking at the code, but I hadn't seen that before and wasn't sure what the default behaviour was
[06:38] <bob2> GotD0t: rhythmbox can do it, I think
[06:38] <bern> anyone else use liquid weather for karamba?
[06:38] <bern> i'm having problems with it
[06:38] <mdz> cef_work: herbert will know what to do about it
[06:39] <cef_work> mdz: cool.
[06:40] <bborkk> bob2: Hmm.  I don't see what you mean by removing "warty universe"... that string doesn't appear... do you mean to remove the string "warty" and the string "universe".  Thanks.
[06:40] <bob2> bborkk: 14:33 < bborkk> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[06:41] <bob2> bborkk: remove the words "main" and "restricted"
[06:41] <GotD0t> hmm, bob2 rhythmbox doesnt even recognize my wav's
[06:42] <bborkk> bob2: Okay, that makes sense.  Thanks again.
[06:42] <bob2> mp3burn worked for me in the past
[06:42] <GotD0t> thanks
[06:56] <bborkk> bob2: Sorry to bother you again.  What do you make of the warning (returned by apt-get update) I just posted on #flood?
[06:57] <bborkk> Does anyone else find RhythmBox's import folder feature annoying?
[06:57] <Treenaks> bborkk: that's annoying about it?
[06:58] <bohrbug> My prism usb wireless adapter is recognised by ubuntu, but I cannot configure it in GNOME, because it doesn't turn up as a device. Where can I do more config?
[06:58] <bern> hey all
[06:59] <bborkk> Treenaks: It doesn't seem intuitive that you have to be inside the folder you want to import in order to select it.
[06:59] <Treenaks> I use the right-click-in-nautilus thingy
[07:00] <bern> how can i go about mounting my windows partition so i can access it from my desktop
[07:00] <bborkk> Treenaks: Huh, didn't see that.  I prefer not to use Nautilus if I can help it.
[07:01] <bohrbug> bern: mount -t ntfs ....
[07:03] <denman> anyone have any experiance with the ppc installer?  I am having problems with it freezing at the "entering low memory mode" window
[07:05] <bern> bohrbug: i tried that
[07:05] <bern> bohrbug: it mounted it, but when i tried to access it, it killed itself
[07:06] <bern> bohrbug: it locked up the window
[07:06] <ficusplanet> Why is the freetype autohinter disabled by default in Ubuntu?
[07:06] <bohrbug> bern: shouldnt happen
[07:07] <bern> bohrbug: i put $ mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media
[07:07] <sabmoc> where is the site-lisp dir in ubuntu?
[07:08] <bohrbug> bern: that should work, as long as you are sure that /dev/hda1 is your windows partition
[07:08] <sabmoc> doh
[07:09] <mdz> sabmoc: locate site-lisp
[07:09] <sabmoc> yep nevermind
[07:11] <bern> i'm almost positive
[07:11] <bern> bohrbug: unless it starts the numbering from 0, which it may
[07:11] <bern> bohrbug: hrmm
[07:11] <bern> bohrbug: i think that was it oops
[07:11] <bern> :P
[07:11] <sabmoc> does anyone know which site-lisp i should drop some edit mode files into?
[07:12] <bern> bohrbug: nope it's hda1
[07:12] <bohrbug> bern: numbering starts at 1
[07:12] <mdz> ficusplanet:  Depending on your display and on which fonts you use, they can look
[07:12] <mdz>  better or worse when using the autohinter module. Enable it if you
[07:12] <mdz>  happen to prefer the look it gives to your fonts.
[07:12] <bohrbug> bern: but sometimes manufacturers put in an extra "rescue" partition at hda1
[07:13] <cef_work> any pointers on getting ieee1394 drives connected up with this ubuntu box?
[07:13] <mdz> cef_work: just works
[07:13] <mdz> for me anyway
[07:13] <ficusplanet> mdz, I guess I've just happened across a lot of monitors it looks better on ;).  I was just making sure it wasn't simply a mistake that it was disabled.
[07:13] <cef_work> mdz: hrm.. I plugged it in.. no dice here.. hasn't even loaded a 1394 module in the kernel
[07:14] <mdz> cef_work: if it didn't load a 1394 driver, it didn't recognize your controller
[07:14] <cef_work> mdz: yeah.. I was suspecting that.. hrmmm
[07:15] <mdz> cef_work: sudo modprobe ohci1394
[07:15] <cef_work> mdz: doh! I know why.. the m/board doesn't have one.. oh well.. fall back to usb2
[07:15] <mdz> cef_work: ...
[07:16] <cef_work> mdz: trying to get the 500GB removable working..
[07:17] <hazmat> is there a development branch for ubuntu, ie. dev packages for next version?
[07:18] <cef_work> mdz: well works with usb2.. I'll probably chuck the 1394 card I have in the machine sometime soon.. would've thought the dual opteron board would have 1394 onboard.. but seems not.. oh well
[07:19] <cef_work> mdz: complicated by the fact that the case has a nice 1394 connector on the front
[07:19] <ficusplanet> Is the meeting about hoary at 1600UTC tomorrow?
[07:22] <Zindar> hazmat: not yet afaik
[07:23] <mdz> ficusplanet: yes
[07:23] <ficusplanet> mdz, Thanks.
[07:28] <bern> grr
[07:28] <bern> i need help making a shortcut to my mounted windows partition
[07:28] <ficusplanet> bern, what is the problem?
[07:30] <bern> ficusplanet: i mount the partition
[07:30] <bern> ficusplanet: and i can look at the contents in the terminal /mnt/Windows
[07:30] <bern> ficusplanet: but if i try to make a device shortcut on the desktop it won't let me mount or unmount
[07:30] <bern> ficusplanet: how do i give it root permissions ?
[07:31] <bohrbug> bern: put a line in /etc/fstab for your windows partition
[07:31] <ficusplanet> bern, How is the device entered in /etc/fstab?
[07:31] <bern> ficusplanet: lemme look
[07:32] <bern> ficusplanet: it's not in there
[07:32] <bern> ficusplanet: should i add it?
[07:32] <bohrbug> bern: /dev/hda1  /mnt/windows  ntfs  defaults,noauto 0 0
[07:33] <bohrbug> bern: put that in /etc/fstab and you'll be able to mount and unmount from the desktop
[07:33] <ficusplanet> bohrbug, Might user be better than defaults?
[07:33] <bohrbug> ficusplanet: yep, sorry
[07:33] <bern> bohrbug: what does noauto 0 0 do?
[07:34] <ficusplanet> bern, noauto means it won't be mounted at boot, which I like because then then user can mount and unmount at his/her whim
[07:34] <bohrbug> that should be user,noauto<TAB>0<TAB>0
[07:35] <bern> bohrbug/ficusplanet: thanks
[07:35] <ficusplanet> bern, no problem
[07:36] <bern> ficusplanet: another problem
[07:37] <ficusplanet> bern, OK
[07:38] <bern> ficusplanet: ok i have the device applet in the taskbar
[07:38] <bern> ficusplanet: i can mount and unmount just fine
[07:38] <bern> ficusplanet: as with the device shortcut on the desktop
[07:39] <bern> ficusplanet: but when i try and access it, it says i need root permissions
[07:39] <bern> ficusplanet: wait it says "could not enter /mnt/Windows
[07:39] <bern> should i chmod /mnt/Windows to 777 ?
[07:40] <Pizbit> Nah, doesn't matter
[07:41] <ficusplanet> bern, I'm not sure.  Sorry.  Is your user in the "disk group."
[07:41] <Pizbit> Don't believe so anyway, I believe it takes the permissions set in the mount command.
[07:41] <bern> disk group?
[07:41] <bern> ficusplanet: i believe so
[07:42] <sabmoc> anyone have any success getting various site-lisp edit modes to work in emacs?
[07:42] <bern> ficusplanet: it says "could not enter folder /mnt/Windows"
[07:43] <bern> ficusplanet: i tried changing the permissions through the icon but no luck
[07:43] <Pizbit> bern: What's the mount line?
[07:43] <ficusplanet> bern, I'm not sure why though.  I haven't had that problem when trying to do what you are doing.
[07:43] <ficusplanet> bern, Sorry.
[07:44] <bohrbug> bern: make sure you have the right case in fstab "/mnt/windows" or "/mnt/Windows"
[07:45] <bern> bohrbug: ok i figured out what's the matter
[07:45] <bern> bohrbug: i did ls -l and it only has root permissions
[07:45] <bern> bohrbug: what's the chmod to have everyone read
[07:46] <Zindar> /dev/hda1       /windows        ntfs    ro,user,noauto,umask=002  0       0
[07:46] <Zindar> do that
[07:46] <Zindar> in /etc/fstab
[07:46] <bohrbug> bern: chmod ugo+rx /mnt/windows
[07:46] <Zindar> than the user can mount it by computer -> disk
[07:46] <Zindar> bohrbug: no, doesn't help.. you need to mount it right
[07:46] <Zindar> you can't chmod a ntfs filesystem...
[07:47] <bohrbug> Zindar: what about the mnt folder itself?
[07:47] <Zindar> bohrbug: sure.. but I doubt that's the problem
[07:47] <bohrbug> Zindar: ok
[07:49] <gobeavs> hey
[07:50] <bern> Zindar: i don't think it worked
[07:50] <bern> Zindar: i unmounted then did mount -a
[07:51] <bern> Zindar: it still only has root permissions
[07:51] <gobeavs> does ubuntu have apt-get?
[07:51] <gobeavs> im new to ubuntu
[07:51] <gobeavs> and am thinking about trying it
[07:51] <ficusplanet> gobeavs, Yes, it is the default package management tool.
[07:51] <gobeavs> cool
[07:51] <gobeavs> does it work like deb's?
[07:51] <Zindar> bern: as which user did you mount?
[07:52] <bern> sudo
[07:52] <Zindar> bern: did you do Computer -> disk -> click?
[07:52] <ficusplanet> gobeavs, It uses debs.  Ubuntu is a modified debian sid.
[07:52] <Zindar> well dont
[07:52] <Zindar> do it as the user
[07:52] <ficusplanet> bern, if you mount as root, root owns it so to speak
[07:52] <gobeavs> cuz the deb installer wouldn't work for me, and gentoo config has some errors on my comp...dont like slack...need something else
[07:52] <gobeavs> thanks ficus
[07:52] <Zindar> umount... go to computer.. go to disk... click the drive you want
[07:53] <ficusplanet> gobeavs, no problem
[07:53] <sladen> gobeavs: have you tried the 'Ubuntu installer' ?
[07:53] <bern> Zindar: yay it worked
[07:53] <gobeavs> nope
[07:53] <Zindar> bern: of course :)
[07:53] <bern> Zindar: once i got out of root it let me open it
[07:53] <gobeavs> going to probaby install tomarrow
[07:53] <bern> Zindar: what would cause
[07:53] <gobeavs> i had gentoo installed
[07:53] <gobeavs> but kde install borked
[07:54] <gobeavs> i sure hope KDE works ok in ubuntu
[07:54] <gobeavs> im not a fan of gnome
[07:54] <Pizbit> You will become one:)
[07:54] <gobeavs> noooooooooo.....
[07:54] <Pizbit> YES!
[07:54] <gobeavs> does KDE work fine in ubunt?
[07:54] <HrdwrBoB> gobeavs: GNOME is a lot more advanced than KDE in many ways
[07:54] <gobeavs> eh
[07:54] <gobeavs> i just dont like the interface and stuff
[07:54] <HrdwrBoB> however KDE does work I hear
[07:54] <gobeavs> seems like its from 10 years ago
[07:54] <Pizbit> gobeavs: To get kde you'll need to enable the universe repository but i havn't heard any bad tales about installing it
[07:54] <jdub> gobeavs: KDE should install fine, but it is unsupported.
[07:54] <gobeavs> maybe i just need to get used ot it
[07:55] <Pizbit> gobeavs: Yeah, gnome rocks;)
[07:55] <HrdwrBoB> 10 years ago?
[07:55] <gobeavs> kde would prob be the only reason I would try to install debian again
[07:55] <HrdwrBoB> compared to KDE .. well, each to their own
[07:55] <calc> gnome is great :)
[07:55] <gobeavs> i want something like apt-get or portage
[07:55] <gobeavs> for dependencies
[07:55] <calc> gobeavs: on which os?
[07:55] <Zindar> I don't know... running kde always makes me sick... guess it's just what you get used to
[07:56] <gobeavs> so i can either have debian, gentoo, or ubuntu...and I have tried Deb and gentoo
[07:56] <gobeavs> both didn't work too well
[07:56] <jdub> let's not compare desktops here, dudes
[07:56] <Zindar> gobeavs: apt-get exists for most distribution..... fedora, suse, debian, ubuntu, etc.... so that shouln't be stopping you
[07:56] <gobeavs> really?
[07:56] <gobeavs> i knew its for fedora
[07:56] <Pizbit> Zindar: Of course, nothing beats apt-get on a debian bases system
[07:56] <calc> gobeavs: and there is yum as well which aiui is similar to apt-get
[07:56] <gobeavs> but i dont want a red hat distro
[07:56] <Zindar> Pizbit: agreed :)
[07:56] <gobeavs> i want something more streamlined
[07:56] <Pizbit> gobeavs: apt-get originates from debian
[07:56] <ficusplanet> jdub, Thanks for always stopping the KDE/GNOME stuff before it gets crazy.
[07:56] <gobeavs> and ive heard good things about debian
[07:57] <gobeavs> i tried slackware, but swaret stunk
[07:57] <calc> gobeavs: well there are really only a few different types of dists: deb, rpm, gentoo/bsd
[07:57] <calc> oh yea and slackware :)
[07:57] <Zindar> gobeavs: give ubuntu a try.. if you don't like it nobody is forcing you to use it.. switch to something else then... I hope (and think) you'll never leave ubuntu once you have it :)
[07:57] <gobeavs> :D
[07:58] <gobeavs> ill be even happier when KDE is supported :P
[07:58] <gobeavs> ok, i gtg to bed
[07:58] <gobeavs> thanks for your help guys
[07:58] <gobeavs> maybe ill see ya later :D
[07:58] <gobeavs> bye
[07:58] <ficusplanet> see ya
[07:59] <Zindar> what is the plan for kde and ubuntu btw? will it be supported in hoary?
[07:59] <Zindar> just out of curiousity
[08:00] <lhb> ubunty made me give up on rpm distros
[08:00] <lhb> i am now 100% rpm free :)
[08:01] <calc> Zindar: doubtful, it doesn't make much sense to support two different desktops, and would require a lot more cd's to do so
[08:02] <Pyguy> Hello
[08:02] <calc> kde-i18n by itself takes a big chunk of a cd
[08:03] <Keybuk> the community could certainly put together and support a KDE-based derivative of Ubuntu
[08:03] <Keybuk> but it's not anything Ubuntu itself will do; though I imagine the council would bless the derivative
[08:04] <Zindar> well.. supported != on the cd
[08:04] <Zindar> there are things in main that's not on the cd today
[08:04] <Pyguy> Ah... is anyone else having trouble changing the resolution using Gnome? Or is it just me?
[08:05] <ficusplanet> Pyguy, What is the problem?
[08:05] <jdub> Zindar: (no plans for official support of KDE)
[08:05] <Pyguy> I get a distorted image when I try to change it from 1024x768 -> 800x600
[08:05] <ficusplanet> Pyguy, Are you using an LCD?
[08:05] <Pyguy> Nope, but I am running Ubuntu under VMWare
[08:05] <Zindar> jdub: alright..  I think that's good so you can consentrate on a smaller set of packages and sstuff
[08:05] <Zindar> ahh
[08:06] <Zindar> Pyguy: than that's most likely your problem
[08:06] <Pyguy> :\ Hopefully resizing it manually will work
[08:07] <Pyguy> Damn, was a root passwd set during the installation? I don't remember doing it :P
[08:07] <Zindar> Pyguy: no.. no root password
[08:08] <ficusplanet> Pyguy, use "sudo [command] "
[08:08] <Zindar> Pyguy: try "sudo whatever"
[08:08] <Pyguy> Ah I see, cheers
[08:08] <ficusplanet> Then type your own password
[08:09] <Zotnix> I think (this might be wrong to do) I set a root password by sudo passwd
[08:09] <Zotnix> I can now su into root just fine.
[08:10] <lhb> ubuntu had me because it was debian based and a sweet sweet gnome desktop default
[08:10] <Zindar> Zotnix: there is nothing wrong with that if you prefer... I don't see why but that's me
[08:10] <Zindar> old habits may be hard to break
[08:10] <Zotnix> I still do sudo now.
[08:10] <ficusplanet> I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not, but have any ubuntu devs considered making a handler for irc:// urls so that we could link to the IRC room from a Web page?
[08:10] <lhb> and the 1 disk, only 1 disk to download
[08:10] <Zotnix> I'm getting accustomed to sudo.
[08:10] <calc> with kde upstream not even knowing how to manage libraries it would probably be a good thing not to worry about it ;)
[08:11] <Zotnix> Anyone know any good repositories that contain very current packages (namely gaim/firefox/blam type things)
[08:11] <lhb> sudo is actually not that crazy when you have been usinh su all the time
[08:11] <jdub> Zotnix: no, and we'd discourage them
[08:12] <Pyguy> I still require a password even when "sudo [anything] " :\
[08:12] <jdub> Zotnix: what you have is a fully supported distro with a rapid release process
[08:12] <ficusplanet> Zotnix, I would avoid the Firefox preview release because it was downgraded for stability issues.  If you're really interested in bleeding edge, follow hoary.
[08:12] <jdub> Zotnix: when hoary (the devel branch) opens up, you'll get all of those kinds of things, though you'll be running the devel release
[08:12] <Zotnix> Well I wouldn't update the entire system to that unstable
[08:12] <bern> anyone have problems with liquid weather in karamba?
[08:12] <bern> mine gets locked up at the splash screen
[08:13] <Zotnix> Just certain packages.
[08:13] <Zotnix> Like xchat namely
[08:13] <jdub> Zotnix: then you don't get the new packages :)
[08:13] <Zotnix> Heh, I'd use my discretion.
[08:14] <jdub> Zotnix: you have a choice - supported or rapid response development. it's better to make the choice along those lines.
[08:14] <calc> Zotnix: live on the edge :)
[08:14] <Zotnix> I like to.
[08:14] <Zotnix> When I had gentoo I used the entire system under !x86
[08:14] <Zotnix> ~x86
[08:14] <Despair> jdub: Depends. You may want stability in most of your system, but need to track improvements in a few areas. isn't that what `apt-get -t experimental -s upgrade` is for? ;)
[08:15] <joem> Zotnix, ubuntu isn't gentoo
[08:15] <jdub> Despair: no
[08:16] <whiprush> evening everyone
[08:16] <Despair> Wow, apparently I was using debian all wrong then. :)
[08:16] <jdub> pants off, whiprush
[08:16] <whiprush> on, but loosened.
[08:16] <jdub> Despair: if you thought experimental was something you could upgrade to, and had 'improvements' to your otherwise stable system, yes.
[08:16] <Despair> err, hmm, I was unclear, I wasn't recommending debian experimental in ubuntu. would be hoary here.
[08:17] <jdub> hoary == sid
[08:17] <whiprush> soon my thinkpad x40 will be here and be ubuntusized. And you will all fear. >_<
[08:17] <calc> experimental on debian typically is stuff too broken to risk uploading to sid
[08:17] <jdub> whiprush: you sucker!
[08:17] <Pyguy> Okay, well "sudo vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" still asks me to provide a password for root... is anyone else getting this?
[08:17] <whiprush> jdub: heh, NOT. paid for by work. woo.
[08:18] <ficusplanet> Pyguy, You use your user's password.
[08:18] <Pyguy> :\ Thanks :)
[08:18] <ficusplanet> no problem
[08:18] <justdave> if I build a package locally and I want Synaptic to be able to see it, is there somewhere I can drop the .deb file so it'll find it? or do I have to create a local repository and add it to sources.list?
[08:19] <ficusplanet> justdave, If a package is installed, it will in Synaptic.  But if you want non-installed packages to show up, yes, you need a repository.
[08:19] <jdub> justdave: the latter.
[08:20] <justdave> package in question is missing from universe, but the source is there.  has a co-dependency on one that is built in universe.  Installing either one without passing both of them to apt-get install at once will fail.
[08:20] <justdave> so I guess the other option is to download the deb file for the one that's pre-built and pass them both to dpkg -i
[08:20] <jdub> justdave: download the other deb and dpkg -i
[08:21] <Zotnix> Can't wait for x.org to be used instead of xfree86 >.<
[08:21] <Pyguy> Hm... smooth-scrolling (I don't know if that's what you'd call it) doesn't seem to be working. i.e. Holding down backspace doesn't send it back, until you let go... is this a feature?
[08:22] <justdave> actually, it's dpkg -i that fails if you don't pass both at once. :)  apt-get install can't find one, and won't install the other without it :)
[08:22] <justdave> there's a command-line option for apt-get to download a deb... where's it download to when you do that?  current directory?
[08:23] <jdub> think so
[08:23] <jdub> or check /var/cache/apt/archive
[08:23] <Marjo> justdave: sudo apt-get --help
[08:23] <clee> jdub: it's possible for a friend who can't get ubuntu to find his CDROM during install to tell the installer to use debs from the HD, right?
[08:23] <jdub> i think so
[08:24] <Pyguy> Great, I got it to change resolution properly in VMWare... Should I write up a quick fix for others, or...?
[08:24] <whiprush> someone did a vmware thing in the wiki
[08:24] <whiprush> probably best to add it to that
[08:25] <Pyguy> Yep
[08:25] <calc> clee: daniels installed that way i think
[08:25] <clee> calc: talking to him already
[08:25] <whiprush> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/VMware
[08:25] <whiprush> there it is
[08:26] <justdave> Marjo: that's where I saw the option I was asking about :)  it doesn't say where it downloads to
[08:27] <justdave> looks like it goes to /var/cache/apt/archives, just tried it
[08:29] <Marjo> justdave: Whats wrong with installing the package with "apt-get install <package>"?
[08:29] <justdave> Marjo: because the package isn't built in the repository.
[08:29] <justdave> er, there's two packages, one is built, one isn't.
[08:29] <justdave> both have to be installed together because they're co-dependent on each other
[08:29] <Pizbit> Yeah, dpkg -i deb1 deb2
[08:30] <justdave> so I have to apt-get src one of them and build it
[08:30] <Keybuk> Pizbit: no, really, don't do that
[08:30] <Keybuk> oh, bah, sorry
[08:30] <Pizbit> Keybuk: Why not?:P
[08:30] <Keybuk> misread that command after reading a bug report
[08:30] <Pizbit> Heh
[08:31] <jdub> what's the bug?
[08:32] <Pizbit> The first part is that it's not very visually different whether a folder Documents is open when looking in folder Home, and if there's an emblem over the Documents folder in Home you can't tell very easily at all that it's open
[08:32] <jdub> hrm, you mailed that to u-u, right?
[08:33] <justdave> I actually did this already three or four days ago, but I'm trying to explain to someone else how to do it now, and trying to make sure I have it the easiest way in the instructions :)
[08:33] <Pizbit> jdub: Yeah
[08:34] <Pizbit> oh shit
[08:34] <Pizbit> I just realised what's thumbnailed in one of the open folders.
[08:34] <Pizbit> I swear I didn't notice that when I pasted the link
[08:35] <jdub> replied
[08:35] <Pizbit> Read
[08:36] <|progenic|> excuse me, why my totem always show error message and it stated whether to restart application or quit if i'm trying to play some movie ?
[08:37] <Treenaks> |progenic|: what kind of movie are you trying to plaY?
[08:37] <|progenic|> any type
[08:37] <|progenic|> avi
[08:37] <|progenic|> mpeg
[08:38] <Marjo> Totem wont work with me neither... So I installed VLC with apt.
[08:38] <|progenic|> streaming one included
[08:38] <Pizbit> |progenic|: totem-gst or totem-xine?
[08:38] <|progenic|> gst
[08:38] <Treenaks> |progenic|: did you follow the RestrictedFormats howto?
[08:38] <|progenic|> owwww
[08:38] <Treenaks> |progenic|: (http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats)
[08:38] <|progenic|> i never know about that
[08:38] <|progenic|> thx
[08:39] <Treenaks> |progenic|: the wiki is a huge source of information
[08:40] <Pizbit> "The following repository has packages for i386 only." Erm, I see player 386,586,586,k6,k7...:)
[08:40] <Despair> Nice. Firefox randomly dying during page opens.
[08:41] <Treenaks> Pizbit: the architecture is called i386
[08:42] <Treenaks> Pizbit: it means there are no powerpc or amd64 binaries
[08:42] <Treenaks> (or anything else, for that matter)
[08:42] <Pizbit> Oh righty
[08:45] <calc> hmm i thought gstreamer could play dvds now
[08:46] <Zotnix> Despair, yeah, for me that sometimes happens when a page has java.
[08:47] <Pizbit> That reminds me
[08:47] <Despair> Zotnix: I don't have java installed. So I don't think it's java falling over and taking ff with it...
[08:48] <Pizbit> The libnull plugin can be a pita in older versions
[08:48] <Pizbit> Either 0.8/0.9.x I came across it as tohers did.
[09:03] <joolz> morning
[09:04] <joolz> i have a gnome-terminal problem. When it has it's original size it works fine, but when i make it larger, XFree86 will eat up almost all of my CPU when gnoe-terminal displays stuff
[09:05] <joolz> what can i do to fix this? it's really annoying
[09:06] <GoneBoB> gnome-terminal is a giant heap of garbage
[09:06] <GoneBoB> that's essentially the problem :)
[09:06] <Keybuk> hrm?  it isn't
[09:07] <Keybuk> probably the arse-biting there is that pango isn't quite optimised for the most common case yet
[09:07] <bigbrother0074> i love it when people are so incredibly helpful
[09:07] <Keybuk> you're scrolling past large amounts of text in an anti-alias font rendered in a system that does a complete table lookup for each character
[09:08] <cef_work> ho hum. warty doesn't auto-mount ntfs volumes on removable devices (or doesn't seem  to anyway)
[09:10] <lifeless> cef_work: hmm, it should
[09:12] <joolz> Keybuk: thanks, i'll google pango
[09:12] <Keybuk> joolz: there's a large thread on d-d-l about speeding gnome-terminal up at the moment
[09:13] <joolz> Keybuk: hmm, nice. What's d-d-l?
[09:13] <Keybuk> http://lists.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-October/msg00247.html
[09:14] <joolz> Keybuk: great, thanks!
[09:17] <calc> yea miguel wasn't too happy that konsole is much faster than g-t
[09:18] <joem> vte is pretty slugish
[09:18] <joolz> Pizbit: that's called as/400, right? :)
[09:18] <whiprush> I like how when you screen irssi gnome-terminal turns all blue.
[09:18] <joem> I hear gnome-term is fine without AA
[09:18] <joem> whiprush, my favorite feature too, go figure
[09:18] <calc> whiprush: yep, apparently it only happens with irssi
[09:18] <Pizbit> joolz: That's called me messing around:)
[09:18] <whiprush> :-/
[09:18] <calc> but it always happens with irssi ;)
[09:19] <joolz> Pizbit: hehe
[09:19] <joolz> Well i got a workaround! Background transapancy turned off, and it's solved
[09:19] <cef_work> lifeless: ahh well.. it is a 500 GB partition..
[09:19] <joolz> great!
[09:20] <joolz> whiprush: i screen irssi in g-t all the time. It doesn't turn blue though...
[09:20] <whiprush> give it time.
[09:20] <cef_work> lifeless: I'll try plugging the other one in
[09:20] <whiprush> it happens just often enough to drive you mad.
[09:20] <whiprush> like some kind of torture.
[09:20] <joolz> whiprush: i have irssi set to no color, maybe that's why i don't have it
[09:21] <lifeless> cef_work: ubuntu uses pmount to do the automounting
[09:22] <lifeless> you could try running pmount by hand
[09:22] <opi^work> Hi
[09:26] <whiprush> hmm, the new forums are pretty nifty.
[09:26] <cef_work> lifeless: yeah it fails.. looking thru device manager it seems that it can't figure out the volume type
[09:26] <daniels> except for the fact I can't post anything, or send any messages :P
[09:27] <daniels> apparently being given Developer status means you get to be silent, heh
[09:27] <whiprush> it's a honeypot
[09:27] <cef_work> lifeless: of course, I'm going to reformat one of them anyway, but I thought I'd give it a shot
[09:27] <cef_work> daniels: no, it's just figured out that you don't matter.. *grin*
[09:30] <spikeb> i'd like to report that if you install gtk1, ut2004 installs and runs just great on ubuntu
[09:30] <daniels> gtk1??
[09:30] <Zindar> what's ut2004?
[09:30] <cef_work> daniels: must be the installer
[09:30] <whiprush> think the installer uses gtk1
[09:30] <spikeb> Zindar,  unreal tournament 2004