[02:27] <highvoltage> ScottK: are you around?
[02:42] <ScottK> highvoltage: Sort of.
[02:44] <ScottK> persia: People not in bug control can't even nominate anymore?
[02:56] <ScottK> debfx: Would you be willing to look at the gnome-display-preferences improvements planned for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-desktop-n-xorg-configuration-the-final-ten-percent and see if there are equivalent changes that make sense for us in KDE?
[03:00] <highvoltage> ScottK: turns out the dependency problems with kde has actually been fixed in maverick
[03:00] <ScottK> highvoltage: So it's a non-issue?
[03:04] <highvoltage> ScottK: yep, it was an issue in 10.04, and it will affect upgrades from 10.04 and future upgrades on those machines, but machines that were installed with maverick and later will be fine, so I marked it as fix-released
[03:05] <ScottK> highvoltage: OK.  We could probably work an SRU into 10.04 if you can identify where the issue is.
[03:05] <ScottK> Hopefully we'll have a micro-version update exception for KDE shortly and we could fold any changes into that on Lucid.
[03:15] <persia> ScottK, That's what it looks like, yeah.
[03:16] <persia> bug #114766
[10:43] <jussi> ScottK: when you wake up, lease ping me
[10:43] <jussi> pleaseÄ
[10:52] <ScottK> jussi: FSVO awake, I'm awake.
[11:03] <jussi> ScottK: hehe, do you know is there somethign I need to do to make the smarttop boot from the SD ?
[11:03] <jussi> or did I just make the SD wrong :D
[11:08] <ScottK> jussi: Dunno.  I've only booted off of the internal SSD.
[11:08] <jussi> k
[11:11] <jussi> also, my ssd seems to have got a little corrumpted - fsck fails and drops me to a root shell. do you know how to force a fsck check?
[11:21] <ScottK> Don't recall.
[11:58] <ScottK> Riddell: Is libqyotoshared2 meant to be an empty package in the new kdebindings?
[12:00] <Riddell> ScottK: sorry I still need to investigate that
[12:00] <Riddell> leave it for now
[12:01] <ScottK> Riddell: Will do.
[13:35] <ScottK> It would be lovely if someone would update the Kubuntu section of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[13:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i have no idea how to use the attachments you sent me :S
[15:35] <markey> hm
[15:35] <markey> KDE upgrade borked my Choqok
[15:35] <markey> just sits there, with a gray systray icon
[15:35] <markey> oh wow
[15:35] <markey> now it started
[15:35] <markey> hm :)
[15:35] <markey> took like 2 minutes
[15:52] <al> markey, 0.9.85?
[15:53] <al> it's resolved in newer releases i think, cause i only notice it doing that on my kubuntu box
[15:54] <markey> al: 0.9.90
[15:54] <markey> al: usually the trick that helps is this: nuking the entire ~/.kde/share/apps/choqok folder
[15:54] <markey> I think it has some bugs with accumulating timelines
[15:55] <markey> and then never freeing them
[15:55] <markey> (or so)
[15:56] <al> 320K    .kde/share/apps/choqok/
[15:56] <al> doesn't look that bad to me
[16:12] <Riddell> any thoughts on this kdenetwork compile failure in natty? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/J9Gmcvyx
[16:12] <Riddell> /usr/include/linux/fs.h:37:2: error: 'uint64_t' does not name a type
[16:12] <Riddell> I've a feeling we've had that problem before
[16:19] <Riddell> maco: did you find that qt with gtk file selector bug?  or file one?
[16:28]  * Riddell adds scour to kde.pm
[16:37] <ScottK> Riddell: I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stdint.h is the one you need to include.
[16:39] <Riddell> ooh that could be it
[16:50] <hunger> Riddell: Thanks for fixing the libkonq5/5a mess in natty!
[16:52] <Riddell> let me know if there's any other problems
[17:28] <Riddell> 4.5.3 all uploaded
[17:28] <Riddell> various bits will be retries
[17:28]  * Riddell out
[17:43] <ScottK> Riddell: Big question is bindings in New.
[18:14] <sheytan> hey dudes :D
[18:15] <sheytan> Riddell have you seen the page ?:)
[18:20] <sheytan> will kubuntu natty have that wayland thing too?
[18:21] <markey> gah
[18:21] <shtylman> wayland is far far off
[18:21] <shtylman> it it ever even happens
[18:21] <markey> latest upgrades broke Flash in Chromium :(
[18:21] <shtylman> best not to even talk about it till the powers that be discuss it more
[18:22] <markey> shtylman: what he meant to say: "It's far far out."
[18:27] <sheytan> markey works here with chrome devel
[18:27] <sheytan> i mean unstable :D
[18:27] <markey> hmm
[18:27]  * markey uses Chromium Daily Builds
[18:28] <sheytan> markey well, that works for me thing is (TM) as you propably know :D
[18:49] <al> markey: on my gentoo box i have Choqok  1.0 Beta4 (0.9.92), which doesn't show the behaviour you mentioned earlier
[18:50] <markey> al: as I said, I think it's a bug that gets worse over time
[18:50] <markey> sort of like a memory leak
[18:50] <markey> but on disk
[18:51] <markey> that timeline log grows, and grows...
[18:51] <al> no, for me it occurs very frequently on my kubuntu box, but never on my gentoo box
[18:51] <al> so i think it's a resolved bug
[18:51] <markey> mayhaps.
[18:51]  * markey is looking forward to the Gwibber port to Qt.
[18:56] <ScottK> shadeslayer should fix it.  Isn't he also the choqok minion?
[19:06] <shadeslayer> whu..
[19:07] <shadeslayer> markey: its quite visually appealing i might say
[19:07]  * shadeslayer saw it at UDS
[19:09] <markey> shadeslayer: yeah, I guess so. Ryan seems quite enthusiastic
[19:10] <shadeslayer> markey: also previewed was a rtorrent GUI ... fantastic work ..
[19:10] <shadeslayer> my neon talk was foobar as compared to their work :)
[19:14] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Fundamentally is was a poor choice of hardware.
[19:14] <shadeslayer> ScottK: or you can look at it the other way around, the people who write the drivers, failed to write them properly :P
[19:15] <shadeslayer> nouveau worked better than nvidia in any case
[19:15] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes, but this is known.
[19:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: also the same hardware worked when i plugged it in one of the projectors in the room
[19:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you move libutempter-dev to main in lucid?
[19:20] <shadeslayer> its in main in maverick...
[20:02] <ScottK> [15:40:41] <slangasek> is anyone here able to do SRU verification of bug #658728?  I don't have a Kubuntu install to hand
[20:02] <shadeslayer> lookig
[20:02] <ScottK> Would someone who's using Kubuntu maverick in !English, please see if they can verify that's fixed.
[20:02] <ScottK> Thanks.
[20:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: still isnt fixe
[20:08] <shadeslayer> +d
[20:11] <ScottK> shadeslayer: OK.  Please say so in the bug.
[20:11] <shadeslayer> already commented
[20:14] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:21] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1193401 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/ChangeLog SVN_SILENT: ChangeLog tweaks
[21:27] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1193402 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/MuonMainWindow.cpp A commit doesn't automatically stop after a single error, so don't reload() when a CommitError occurs. The commit finished signal will take care of reloading anyways.
[22:06] <shadeslayer> zsh+byobu is the win!


[19:06] <tuizim> Hi, can anyone explain me how i can select one single channel in a stereo track for editing purposes in Audacity?


[00:38] <metalgod_> hi ember
[00:39] <ember> hey metal
[00:39] <metalgod_> how goes ?
[00:41] <ember> good, e tu ? :p
[00:42] <metalgod_> fine :) having fun with some brasero segfaults and then going to some bar
[00:44] <ember> hmm why don't you go to the bar now and deal later with segfaults ? :o
[00:45] <metalgod_> nah that way i have to use valgrind and then gdb which is bad
[00:46] <ember> haha
[00:46] <ember> good luck
[00:46] <ember> off to bed
[00:46] <ember> *
[07:41] <dholbach> good morning
[07:45] <crevette> hello gents
[07:45] <crevette> and ladyes
[07:45] <crevette> ladies
[08:18] <crevette> salut seb128
[08:18] <seb128> lut crevette
[08:46] <zasf> I'm trying to build gnome-applets from svn
[08:46] <zasf> I'm using pbuilder but I get some errors I don't understand
[08:46] <zasf> this is the end of pbuilder build -> http://pastebin.com/m2460e881
[08:47] <zasf> it seems that INSTALL is missing
[09:11] <zasf> hum.. I nearly got it
[09:12] <zasf> I changed a Makefile.am and that's causing problems, but I don't understand what's wrong with it
[09:14] <seb128> what are you trying to do? that's an ubuntu chan, you likely want to go on gimpnet to ask about gnome svn build questions
[09:16] <seb128> mvo: do you want a bug about the easy code installation asking if you want to install other softwares?
[09:16] <zasf> seb128: I thought it was a problem with debian/rules on packaging that's why I asked on #ubuntu-motu and dholdbach redirected me here
[09:17] <seb128> the packaging is most likely correct, we use it for years now
[09:17] <seb128> you might just want to run autogen.sh, copy the debian directory and run rebuild
[09:17] <seb128> debuild
[09:17] <seb128> if that's do to a quick svn package to try
[09:18] <seb128> otherwise you can make dist the svn and package that correctly as an update
[09:18] <seb128> do you really need a packaged version?
[09:18] <seb128> otherwise just run autogen.sh and make and run the binary in the build dir
[09:19] <zasf> seb128: thanks, I added DEB_CONFIGURE_SCRIPT := $(CURDIR)/$(DEB_SRCDIR)/autogen.sh to debian/rules
[09:19] <zasf> and it seems to work
[09:20] <zasf> I need a package to keep my system clean and do some testing
[09:23] <seb128> mvo: could you look at bug #218768?
[09:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218768 in gnome-utils "package gnome-utils <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218768
[09:24] <seb128> mvo: the apt.log has some udev volumeid error, not sure if you already know about the issue
[09:24] <seb128> or that might not be the issue
[09:30] <mvo> seb128: the terminal log would be best
[09:30] <mvo> aha
[09:31] <mvo> I look at it
[09:36] <mvo> seb128: the crash itself is the scrollkeeper crash, I update and reassign
[09:36] <seb128> ah, again
[09:36] <seb128> I didn't spot it while looking at the html thing, I should have changed it to text ;-)
[09:36] <seb128> yet another duplicate
[09:39] <mvo> duplicate of #157370 ?
[09:41] <seb128> mvo: could be, I think most of those bugs are one crasher
[10:04] <seb128> mvo: when did compiz start changing workspaces when using the mouse middle button on the background?
[10:05] <mvo> seb128: middle button hold and then move to a direction you mean?
[10:05] <seb128> not, just normal up,down scrolling
[10:06] <seb128> when you do when reading a page in firefox ;-)
[10:06] <seb128> I noticed yesterday because my mouse pointer went out of the application by mistake and it switched to an another workspace
[10:06] <seb128> while I was just scrolling to read something
[10:06] <crevette> seb128, ha you didn't noticed
[10:06] <crevette> :)
[10:06] <seb128> I think it can be pretty confusing for users
[10:07] <seb128> s/when you do/what you do
[10:07]  * seb128 slaps crevette
[10:07] <seb128> crevette: in a better mood today? ;-)
[10:07] <crevette> not that bad
[10:07] <crevette> I need some rest
[10:08] <seb128> crevette: lucky you, that's almost the weekend
[10:08] <seb128> good morning dholbach
[10:08] <crevette> you but I'm not sure I will take some rest
[10:08] <seb128> you should!
[10:08] <dholbach> seb128: I was here before... just pressed alt-f4 in the wrong window
[10:08] <dholbach> seb128: but yeah... good morning France! :)
[10:08] <crevette> week end is the only time I have to do some hacking
[10:09] <seb128> dholbach: I didn't say you were not there, we just didn't speak yet ;-)
[10:09] <seb128> crevette: ah, you are a hacker now ;-)
[10:10] <crevette> seb128, not really, but I'm using hack to define a whole thing, like opening bug, doing patch, ....
[10:10] <seb128> kwwii: there is some thread on ubuntu-devel-discuss complain that you ignore bug #211740
[10:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211740 in ubuntu-gdm-themes "Hardy: Ubuntu login screen art has brightnes increased" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211740
[10:13] <seb128> mvo: should bug #174524 be reassigned to the german translations?
[10:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174524 in gnome-app-install "spelling mistake: german title in multimedia installer ("Mulitmedia")" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174524
[10:17] <seb128_> re
[10:17] <seb128_> dsl disconnected again
[10:17] <seb128_> did somebody wrote something for me?
[10:18] <seb128_> in which case you should write it again ;-)
[10:18] <seb128_> I did get anything after <seb128> mvo: should bug #174524 be reassigned to the german translations?
[10:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174524 in gnome-app-install "spelling mistake: german title in multimedia installer ("Mulitmedia")" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174524
[10:21] <mvo> seb128_: yeah, that sounds like it
[10:37] <slomo_> pitti: please accept gtk-sharp2 and gnome-sharp2 :) they finally fix the crash on exit bug for every application
[10:37] <pitti> yay!
[10:37] <pitti> slomo_: however, that has to wait until after the RC
[10:37]  * pitti hugs slomo_
[10:37] <slomo_> oh
[10:37] <slomo_> ok :)
[10:37] <slomo_> np
[10:38]  * slomo_ hugs pitti
[10:40] <seb128__> anybody wanting to check if swfdec-gnome 2.22.2 from debian builds and work correctly on hardy so maybe we can do the update?
[11:15] <kwwii> seb128__: well, I have an updated version but the bright version was made to make you know who happy
[11:15] <seb128__> ah ok
[11:16] <seb128__> just wanted to let you know that some users are complaining about the lack of reply on the bug
[11:16] <seb128__> so maybe write something there to explain if that will be changed or not and why
[12:04] <kwwii> can anyone verfiy bug #219020 ?
[12:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219020 in human-theme "Defaults to Clearlooks Metacity theme for new users instead of Human" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219020
[12:05] <kwwii> I cannot reproduce it or understand why it is like this
[13:03] <kwwii> seb128: can you verify bug #219020?
[13:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219020 in human-theme "Defaults to Clearlooks Metacity theme for new users instead of Human" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219020
[13:04] <kwwii> the index.theme file does not use Clearlooks and already has the cursor stuff set so I cannot understand why this is happening
[13:04] <seb128> kwwii: I think we would have noticed if that was the case
[13:04] <seb128> dunno either
[13:10] <kwwii> ok, I'll leave it be for now
[13:14] <seb128> you can add a comment asking what sort of installation he did, etc and if he has other issues because that works for everybody else
[13:19]  * Hobbsee waves
[13:24] <seb128> 'night Hobbsee
[13:25] <Hobbsee> seb128: oh, is it sleep time?
[13:25] <seb128> Hobbsee: I though that's why you waved ;-)
[13:25] <Hobbsee> ah.  no
[13:25] <Hobbsee> but i'm considering sleep
[14:36] <zasf> I still need some help with a Makefile.am, it doesn't compile saying "no rule to make target", see http://pastebin.com/m69fffbfa
[14:36] <zasf> while Makefile.am seems to be ok -> http://pastebin.com/m16668f0e
[14:37] <zasf> I basically only changed a stupid file name (http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-applets/trunk/invest-applet/data/art/Makefile.am?view=markup)
[15:45] <kwwii> erm, pitti, seb128: we should be on version 0.18 of the human theme...I just noticed that we are still on 0.16
[15:46] <seb128> hardy is frozen for rc still
[15:46] <kwwii> noticed because of bug #219020
[15:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219020 in human-theme "Defaults to Clearlooks Metacity theme for new users instead of Human" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219020
[15:47] <seb128> ah, the update fixes that? it'll be accepted after rc
[15:47] <kwwii> seb128: cool :-)
[15:48] <kwwii> the bug came after I made the packages fixing it, funny enough
[15:48] <seb128> what is the issue exactly?
[15:52] <seb128> will be fixed when the update is accepted anyway
[15:53] <kwwii> hrm, looking back at the 0.16 I can't see the problem either...freaky
[15:53] <seb128> oh, btw redhat has a nautilus change to fallback to a default background image when the current one is not available, that would allow to drop the one which was still there for upgrade compatibility reasons
[15:55] <kwwii> interesting idea
[16:51] <kwwii> tedg: did you see bug #213064
[16:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213064 in inkscape "Inkscape does not maximize properly" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213064
[16:52] <tedg> No, but I'm guessing that's because we don't use GTK for the tool selector.
[16:53] <tedg> Probably happens on 768 px high screens
[16:53] <tedg> Which is why the theme would effect whether it happens or not.
[16:56] <tedg> Are you seeing this on your laptop?
[16:57] <kwwii> no, that was what made me wonder
[16:57] <kwwii> I turned on and off all sorts of compiz stuff to test it out too
[16:58] <kwwii> I would have been much louder if this would have effected me :-/
[16:59] <kwwii> affected, I guess
[17:02] <tedg> Heh, I imagine this has to be window management.
[17:02] <tedg> But, in reality, Inkscape needs to be better at resizing.
[17:02] <tedg> Or atleast have a way to disable tools that you don't care about.
[17:04] <kwwii> I have often wished to be able to add or remove tools from the toolbar
[17:05] <tedg> I have the whole thing planned out in my head, I just need to get around to implementing it...
[17:22] <kwwii> hehe, the story of my life :D
[18:30] <Johninky> hello all
[18:37] <seb128> hi Johninky
[18:37] <Johninky> hello seb128
[20:18] <bryyce> seb128: cworth looked at the cairo we have in ubuntu currently and says that version causes certain printers to crash badly; he strongly recommends shipping 1.6.4 and no earlier 1.6.x releases since they've got bad known issues.  .4 is stable though, and is what he's shipping in Fedora
[20:19] <seb128> bryyce: is cworth on #cairo right now?
[20:19] <bryyce> yup
[20:22] <ted1> Ah, is that the Xerox thing he was talking about?
[20:22] <ted1> It's only a problem if you use fonts and text. :)
[20:28] <seb128> bryyce: looks like he looked at the version and not the package though ;-)
[20:29] <bryyce> yeah he was just looking over my shoulder, and didn't notice the ubuntu1 bit.  I showed him the patch so he saw it's the same
[20:30] <seb128> yes
[20:30] <seb128> the bug has been noticed by people at the canonical office
[20:30] <seb128> and I'm the one who sent the bug upstream, and I hang on #cairo to talk about it
[20:30] <Johninky> ok people we have a large problem here, I have lock my self in the car and drop my key on the outside of the car. Can  anyone help?
[20:30] <seb128> so I backported the fix when they make it available ;-)
[20:33] <Johninky> you know that would be pretty stupid of someone to do that right, but for real can you come by Longs on main and let me out.
[20:33] <Johninky> long johns on main
[20:49] <seb128> bryyce: ok, seems that the current cairo we have is alright ;-)
[23:12] <Johninky>  I have a slight problem here i have seem to have lock my self in my car, I know I layed the keys on top and then got in. after I got in the car went click and the doors lock, anyone, anyone please help
[23:25] <Amaranth> Johninky: You know that isn't possible, right?
[23:37] <e-uoaphys> heh what a lame joke
[23:44] <mvo> hey Amaranth
[23:44] <Amaranth> hey
[23:44] <Amaranth> you're up late :P
[23:57] <mvo> doing releases is not good for my sleep pattern


[22:35] <Takyoji> Any significant difference between gzip and bzip?
[22:40] <kermit> bzip takse a lot more cpu to compress, but compresses better
[22:43] <kermit> at least 10x as much cpu for maybe 10-20% better compression
[22:43] <kermit> for another 10% compression and another 150% of cpu you could use lzma
[22:44] <Takyoji> ahh