[00:02] <mparillo> valorie: You mentioned some bugs needed to be verified?  The launchpad bugs I could verify were already verified. On BKO, I could only add a comment, which I did.
[00:54] <mparillo> Do only special people get to change a BKO bug Status from Unconfirmed to Confirmed?
[01:31] <darthanubis> still doesn't reboot from GUI
[01:37] <darthanubis> http://picpaste.com/snapshot6-jJytQt1P.png
[01:37] <darthanubis> The package definately installed from cmdline with no errors
[02:11] <valorie> mparillo: yes, it takes karma
[02:12] <valorie> you can ask for more, and will probably get it
[02:12] <valorie> ask in #kde-bugs
[02:13] <valorie> when europeans will be awake
[02:13] <valorie> darthanubis: did you try `sudo apt install -f` ?
[02:14]  * valorie just had the last dinner with husband for long months -- he flies out tomorrow for his half-year long hike: http://bobofwashington.blogspot.com
[02:42] <valorie> mparillo: thanks for the confirmation
[04:45] <darthanubis> Why would I do that if there is nothing to force?
[04:46] <darthanubis> As I said, the package is installed.
[05:04] <valorie> darthanubis: true
[05:04] <valorie> and usually that's what it says
[06:23] <soee> good morning
[08:42] <soee> Riddell: ping
[08:51] <Riddell> hi soee
[09:01] <soee> Riddell: did you get info about this 2 bugs after KF 5.9 upgrade ?
[09:03] <Riddell> soee: krunner not searching and no right click
[09:03] <Riddell> neither of which I seem to be affected by but I'll try a live cd now
[09:03] <Riddell> not to hard to revert krunner and plasma frameworks I guess
[09:04] <Riddell> but hopefully frameworks dudes can say what's up, such bugs go against all their stability guarantees
[09:05] <soee> Riddell: nice, 2 users reported it on g+ and today one on support channel
[09:06] <soee> Riddell: good news is i was able to run nvidia drivers finally, but its worth mentione taht only 346 version works here
[09:06] <Riddell> oh nice
[09:06] <soee> with 340 we can experiance what i mentioned in last comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1428328
[09:08] <tsdgeos> Riddell: krunner does nothing here too
[09:08] <tsdgeos> may be related to that half of the frameworkrs are still in 5.8.0
[09:31] <Riddell> oh that's a thought, the qa stuff has broken and blocked half the transitions
[09:32] <Riddell> soee: are you able to enable proposed and check if that helps?
[09:32] <soee> Riddell: im on my PC @ work now so i do not want to break it :D
[09:47] <Riddell> ok I just installed today's daily and it does that have problems, installing proposed now..
[09:51] <Riddell> yep all solved by upgrading to -proposed, yay
[09:51] <Riddell> qa tools causing qa problems :)
[09:51] <Riddell> but strictly speaking they are valid bugs, no reason you should have to upgrade all frameworks at once
[09:56] <soee> hmm
[10:06] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[10:11] <vip> hi ho, anybody experienced no right mouse/wheel working on desktop after latest update (vivid)?
[10:11] <sitter> Riddell: workspace still broken on ci
[10:12] <Riddell> vip: yep, upgrade to vivid-proposed should fix it
[10:13] <vip> Riddell: thank you
[10:13] <Blizzz> Congrats! The first word my son can spell is Kubuntu.
[10:14] <shadeslayer> :D
[10:15] <Riddell> Blizzz: yay, lovely!
[10:15] <Riddell> mparillo: worth a twitter post surely? :) ↑
[10:15] <Blizzz> :)
[10:28] <Riddell> ahoneybun: did you ever get to do the muon banners?
[10:47] <Riddell> soee: does muon-discover start for you?
[10:47] <Riddell> vip: ↑ can you test too?
[10:49] <vip> it starts, shows slider
[10:52] <soee> Riddell: ues and i have an extra window with info trhat im using new kwallet, and it asks me if i want to move wallet content to new version
[10:53] <soee> *yes
[10:54] <soee> vip: you are first time on this channel or i havent noticed you before ?
[10:54] <Riddell> thanks vip, soee. I found my problem seems it was a proxy settings and an issue in kio
[10:55] <mparillo> Blizzz: Assuming I quote you, is that the way you would like to be quoted, or is that all a joke. You know that subtle UK humour that we Yanks miss.
[10:56] <Blizzz> mparillo: yep. and no joke.
[11:08] <soee> Riddell: thanks for the fix to Web Browser plasmoid
[11:10] <Riddell> de nada :)
[11:13] <vip> soee: I'm usually here when I step onto showstopper bug ;)
[11:15] <soee> vip: maybe you want to stay for a longer and sometimes help with testing isos etc. ? ~.~
[11:15] <Riddell> we'll need lots of testing over the next 10 days
[11:15] <Riddell> actually 8 days
[11:17] <vip> soee: Marcin Sągol?
[11:17] <soee> vip: yup
[11:18] <vip> soee: last time i've tried kubuntu isos under vbox, there was black screen ;)
[11:18] <vip> so I decided to early upgrade to alphas, betas, etc
[11:18] <vip> soee: but sure, I can test them
[11:19] <soee> vip: beta 2 isos worked fine for me in VB
[11:19] <soee> Riddell: maybe add him to testers if hes fine with it ?
[11:19] <Riddell> Tm_T: can you add vip to testers call?
[11:22] <soee> vip: cool, than stay on the channel and is new isos are ready for tests, kubotu will call you ;)
[11:22] <soee> kubotu: hi
[11:22] <kubotu> 'morning soee :)
[11:27] <vip> soee: ok
[11:40] <soee> ahoneybun: ping
[12:20] <xennex81> I'm still doing the writeup on the website but it taking a bit long.. and Calligra is again failing on me ;-) :(.
[12:21] <soee> LO
[12:24] <xennex81> hi
[12:24] <soee> LO = libre office ;D
[12:25] <soee> but yes, hiho
[12:31] <ovidiu-florin> hello blue geared planet :D
[12:49] <Riddell> mparillo: maybe a wire post pointing to http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/beta-plasma-5-3-features ?
[12:50] <mparillo> On it. That said, we will not get them until backports?
[12:50] <Riddell> mparillo: just give a warning about the qr code :)
[12:51] <Riddell> mparillo: yeah backports but the article includes a pointer to a CI image which includes it
[12:51] <mparillo> Warning?
[12:52] <Riddell> mparillo: with a smiley :)
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:52] <Riddell> it's a secret link to this classic photo from akademy https://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/11502661506
[12:58] <BluesKaj> ok, after upgrading to the new kernel version we have missing context menus on the desktop and some in the panel. I suppose you guys arfe aware of this already ?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> are
[12:59] <Riddell> BluesKaj: yeah, install frameworks packages from vivid-proposed
[12:59] <soee> :)
[12:59] <xennex81> lol libre office is too ugly and it still doesn't work ;-)
[12:59] <xennex81> haha
[12:59] <xennex81> 'lo
[12:59] <soee> :o
[13:00] <xennex81> I was just about to get something and then it crashed again
[13:00] <xennex81> :(
[13:00] <soee> works fine for me
[13:00] <Riddell> google docs is your friend
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Riddell, not going the propsed route, i can live with it for now
[13:00] <soee> xennex81: calligra doesnt work for you or crashes? LO the same : )
[13:00] <soee> your machine is broken
[13:00] <xennex81> no LO doesn't crash
[13:01] <xennex81> my heart is broken
[13:01] <xennex81> :(
[13:01] <xennex81> you were so nice to me before :p
[13:01] <xennex81> :P
[13:01]  * soee hugs xennex81
[13:01] <BluesKaj> !enter | xennex81
[13:01] <xennex81> aaaah
[13:01] <xennex81> aaw
[13:02] <BluesKaj> xennex81, refain fom overuse of the enter key please
[13:03] <xennex81> i do my best, my friend....
[13:03] <xennex81> i sometimes cannot express myself fully in one line and I sometimes also have trouble knowing what to say.....
[13:03] <xennex81> my APOLOGIES
[13:04] <xennex81> that is just how chat goes, get used to it?
[13:05] <xennex81> i once had someone who wanted me to use less enters because her chat program made a sound on every new line
[13:05] <xennex81> seriously...
[13:11] <xennex81> instead of turning off the sound really, she wanted me to chat differently.
[13:12] <xennex81> princess on the pea we call that, and it can apply to guys as well ;-).
[13:25] <BluesKaj> call it what you want , it's irrelavent to this chat ..please stay on topic
[13:27] <xennex81> i'm on the topic of getting to do something for your team, that's what I'm doing
[13:27] <xennex81> now stay away if you don't like it, I was just chatting a little with this soee person, nothing bad, nothing much
[13:28] <xennex81> you don't have to go make a problem out of every small issue as if it is all around and all prevalent
[13:28] <xennex81> and there is nothing else going on in this chat either
[13:28] <xennex81> so what's the problem...
[13:28] <xennex81> i'm sorry if I broke your concentration
[13:28] <BluesKaj> xennex81, blah blah blah
[13:29] <xennex81> yeah, bla bla bla
[13:29] <xennex81> now bye
[13:29] <BluesKaj> good riddance
[13:29] <Riddell> oh dear
[13:29] <xennex81> little children you are
[13:29] <Riddell> oh dear oh dear
[13:29] <BluesKaj> my ngoodness :)
[13:32] <soee> ~.~
[13:33]  * sitter feels like pointing out that it's not tuesday and drama must only happen on tuesday
[13:33] <sitter> stop screwing with my schedule!
[13:34] <soee> ;D
[13:36] <BluesKaj> the guy was musing in here yesterday about mostly nothing ...lost patience
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Riddell, what is the proposed ppa/repos? I might give it a try
[13:39] <Riddell> BluesKaj: software-properties-kde -> updates -> unreleased
[13:39] <Riddell> I think it is
[13:41] <soee> Riddell: following Alberto's comment here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1428328 it would be good after release to mentione somewhere that 346 driver shoudl be used id one wants to use propriety
[13:53] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I found software-properties-kde -> updates -> prereleased in muon, giving that a try
[13:59] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I installed the plasma-framework from the proposed. Is it safe to upgrade the rest of the packagesin that repos or should I drop it ?
[14:00] <Riddell> BluesKaj: dunno, best drop it if you don't want to play risky
[14:00] <Riddell> BluesKaj: would be good to confirm if it is plasma-framework specifically too
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Riddell, good, will do, thanks
[14:04] <BluesKaj> no change after installing plasma-frameworks ...maybe a relogin
[14:05] <BluesKaj> nope, logout doesn't work
[14:17] <BluesKaj> ok, the plasma-frameworks di the trick Riddell, context menus seem to be restored
[14:19] <Riddell> yay
[14:19] <Riddell> and I just uploaded kate so maybe it can transition to -release shortly
[14:19]  * BluesKaj wonders about the rest of the package in prereleased :)
[14:23] <BluesKaj> gonna give it a try anyway just to see what happens ...still have 14.10 on the other HDD :)
[14:41] <sitter> Riddell: kate broken, okteta broken
[14:41] <sitter> workspace still broken
[14:44] <Riddell> meh it's just fuzz http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_kate/6/console
[14:44] <Riddell> what's a good way to unfuzz that?
[14:50] <Riddell> fixed I hope
[14:50] <sitter> Riddell: standard scenario I linked you yesterday
[14:51] <sitter> simply hop into stable remove the patch, hop into unstable merge stable and push all three
[14:51] <sitter> in fact you'd also get away with simply removing it in stable as the merger would then take care of unstable
[14:51] <Riddell> sitter: I did just remove it, I was confused by it saying it was fuzzy but it's not
[14:51] <sitter> ah
[14:51] <sitter> well, it could be fuzzy against stable
[14:51] <Riddell> and okteta was never uploaded with 14.12.3 for some reason
[14:52] <sitter> uh, needs more qa
[14:53] <BluesKaj> ok, ugraded with the proposed repos enabled  looking good so far
[15:04] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I suppose after this successful upgrade with proposed I should disable it for the time being
[15:07] <BluesKaj> which I just did for safety's sake
[15:07] <Riddell> yes
[16:44] <BluesKaj> for some reason dolphin and some others don't use the colour scheme chosen in system settings, yet others like kate do use the chosen colour...wonder gives
[16:44] <BluesKaj> what gives
[16:47] <Riddell> BluesKaj: dolphin is kdelibs4, system settings is kf5
[16:47] <Riddell> although they should be synced
[16:49] <BluesKaj> ok , still kde4, didn't ralize
[16:49] <BluesKaj> realize rather
[16:49] <BluesKaj> I should have checked
[16:52] <BluesKaj> I've been trying to set the fonts in apps requiring root permissins with kdesudo systemsettings5 in krunner but only the text inside the file contents uses the settings, the toolbars and titles etc still use the small default fonts
[17:35] <sgclark> Riddell: sorry, did anyone run applications?
[17:36] <Riddell> sgclark: what what?
[17:37] <sgclark> applications due out tomorrow?  or was it plasma ? gosh I am scattered
[17:39] <sgclark> Riddell: ok let me rephrase - anything I can do to be useful that involves a script?
[17:40] <Riddell> sgclark: plasma beta was out yesterday
[17:40] <Riddell> applications was out an hour ago :)
[17:40] <sgclark> doh
[17:40] <Riddell> packaging either would be lovely
[17:40] <sgclark> ok
[17:41] <Riddell> involves merging from kubuntu_unstable
[17:41] <sgclark> this kde-ci was more work than I ever imagined
[17:41] <sgclark> Riddell: I thought our script does that now?
[17:41] <sgclark> s/was/is/
[17:41] <kubotu> sgclark: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[17:41] <Riddell> sgclark: I thought so too but I haven't checked
[17:41] <Riddell> yofel: thanks for uploading akonadi, accepted
[17:42] <sgclark> did we have complaints on my last frameworks batch?
[17:43] <Riddell> sgclark: nothing that is packagers fault, I got the fix for the kpeople overlapping translations upstream and plasma-frameworks is still stuck in -proposed due to some cmake failures it highlighted in kate/okteta which breaks some bits of plasma
[17:43] <Riddell> but that's all upstream's fault not ours :)
[17:44] <sgclark> okies
[17:46] <yofel> follow up mail for akonadi coming, this thing is sooo... ... fun
[17:47] <Riddell> yofel: you'll be pleased to know akonadi-qt5 is due for release in the coming few months so you can have twice the fun packaging that
[17:47] <yofel> \o/
[17:55] <debfx> yofel: when allowing alternative mysqld implementations in the akonadi mysql package you also have to consider that there is an apparmor profile
[17:55] <debfx> which may or may not break them
[18:00] <yofel> hm, true. But shouldn't that be solved by our wrapper script and our own profile?
[18:00] <sgclark> Riddell: applications is a stable release right?
[18:00] <yofel> Sure, it can be that a server doesn't quite behave like the official server, but then I don't quite believe it should be an alternative for it...
[18:01] <Riddell> sgclark: yep 15.04.0 https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-15.04.0.php
[18:01] <sgclark> ty
[18:01] <Riddell> sgclark: it's to go into kubuntu-ppa/backports
[18:02] <Riddell> so it needs merged into a magic new branch i think
[18:02] <Riddell> kubuntu_vivid_backports
[18:02] <Riddell> sgclark: so I think it's kubuntu_stable branch needs branched to be called kubuntu_vivid_backports
[18:02] <sgclark> okies. will start with ninjas to test, then I do believe sitter made a backport branch.. need to dig up that email
[18:03] <Riddell> sgclark: put it into here https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-stage2
[18:03] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[18:35] <sbeattie> Hi yofel, I see you have an akonadi package in vivid-proposed. Are you working on additional issues, and if so, can you fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi/+bug/1440501 as well? Thanks.
[18:38] <Riddell> debfx: you agee with sbeattie's patch? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/203386144/akonadi_1.13.0-2ubuntu4.debdiff
[18:43] <Riddell> sbeattie: yofel should be around soon to review else I'll take a look in the morning
[18:43] <sbeattie> Riddell: thanks.
[18:48] <debfx> Riddell: yes, but needs some testing first since the profile has been broken (not loaded) for some time
[19:11] <soee> Riddell: when those packages might be released from proposed ?
[19:11] <Riddell> soee: when okteta compiles
[19:11] <soee> Riddell: ok, thanks
[19:11] <debfx> Riddell: seems to be fine.  I didn't see any denials from apparmor in my tests.
[19:12] <Riddell> great thanks debfx
[19:21] <soee> iv post about nvidia drivers: https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/5z3k8xaP1FA
[19:21] <soee> *posted
[19:22] <soee> to inform users that they shoudl use 346 driver version if tehy have nvidia
[19:34] <tuv0k> http://picpaste.com/snapshot6-jJytQt1P.png
[19:34] <tuv0k> so Iam really the only one with this issue?
[19:35] <yofel> sbeattie, Riddell: I'll take a look
[19:36] <soee> tuv0k: but yuo can install this package ?
[19:37] <tuv0k> I've said here many times, the package is installed.
[19:37] <tuv0k> oh that was a question
[19:37] <tuv0k> sorry
[19:37] <tuv0k> yes, I can install the package, via cmdline and package manager
[19:38] <tuv0k> It pulls the package, I agree to use it, it unpacks all the fonts, and installs them with zero errors
[19:38] <tuv0k> something is not right
[19:39] <soee> hmm i have it installed and dont have such messages
[19:39] <tuv0k> it only pops up upon relogin to the desktopp
[19:39] <tuv0k> well not pop, but appear in the notification area
[19:54] <Riddell> tuv0k: I guess it's a debconf issue
[19:54] <Riddell> that mscorefonts package needs a debconf dialogue
[19:54] <Riddell> so that needs checking
[20:01] <Riddell> sgclark: are you going to look at plasma or apps backports?
[20:02] <sgclark> look at? I just ran apps and tons of failures
[20:02] <Riddell> sgclark: what sort of failures?
[20:02] <sgclark> I don't know what your asking my Riddell
[20:02] <sgclark> git merge failed
[20:03] <Riddell> sgclark: what's merging? isn't it new backports branches?
[20:03] <sgclark> stable
[20:05] <sgclark> into backports branch. which I suspect it is all the kde4 ones that failed maybe. I don't know
[20:05] <Riddell> it sounds like you're doing the right thing
[20:06] <Riddell> sgclark: give me an example of a failing one and I'll look at it
[20:06] <sgclark> amor
[20:06] <Riddell> that's the most important package, we need to get that one right!
[20:06] <sgclark> damn straight lol
[20:06] <sgclark> already took away my ktux
[20:08] <ovidiu-florin> soee: ping
[20:09] <soee> hi ovidiu-florin
[20:09] <ovidiu-florin> you said you'd do something about the images
[20:09] <ovidiu-florin> some converting to jpeg I think
[20:09] <soee> ovidiu-florin: what images ?
[20:09] <soee> oh that i do not remember
[20:10] <soee> ovidiu-florin: i just said it would be good to add some plugin for lazy loading images
[20:10] <ovidiu-florin> that's not helpful enough
[20:10] <ovidiu-florin> if the image that get's loaded first is HUGE
[20:11] <Riddell> sgclark: looks like there is no kubuntu_stable or _unstable for the kde4 applications so no merging needed for them, just dch -i and throw into the ppa and see what breaks
[20:12] <ovidiu-florin> soee: do you think converting them to jpeg would be better?
[20:12] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[20:12] <soee> ovidiu-florin: it shoudl decreese size but not sure home much it wil help
[20:12] <Riddell> hi _Groo_
[20:12] <_Groo_> can someone confirm if mtp works with dolphin in vivid or kf5 utopic?
[20:13] <_Groo_> hi Riddell
[20:14] <sgclark> Riddell: okies ty
[20:15] <yofel> sbeattie: uploaded, thanks!
[20:15] <Riddell> sgclark: there's 72 kf5 applications though so I guess lots will need packaging updated from kde4 https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-15.04.0.php
[20:17] <yofel> how are you folks doing backports these days?
[20:17] <sgclark> Riddell: ... welp I still have crap tons going on with my ci, I will do my best as I can.
[20:18] <_Groo_> Riddell: do you have an android phone? does mtp works with vivid and dolphin?
[20:18] <yofel> hm, let me fetch  my phone
[20:19] <_Groo_> yofel: kio-mtp is broken since you guys changed the kf5 meta package... and although there is a kio-mtp.so in kf5 kio-extras, dolphin doesnt use it... so i cant install kio-mtp nor use the kf5 one
[20:20] <_Groo_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kCFub3O5
[20:20] <_Groo_> see the pastebin, this is for utopic
[20:20] <yofel> well, dolphin is still qt4, so that wouldn't work I guess
[20:20] <_Groo_> i believe its not working in vivid too
[20:20] <_Groo_> thats why kio-mtp exists
[20:20] <yofel> lets see
[20:20] <_Groo_> but the kf5 meta package is not allowing it to install
[20:21] <_Groo_> so you guys either change the plasma-desktop meta, or backport kio-mtp to utopic/vivid
[20:21] <yofel> installing that worked fine here
[20:21] <_Groo_> in vivid?
[20:21] <yofel> yes
[20:22] <_Groo_> so is the utopic kio-mtp thats broken
[20:22] <yofel> although that sounds like something that should be there by default
[20:22] <Riddell> kdelibs4 kio-mtp is installed by default
[20:22] <yofel> oh wait, it's recommended o.O
[20:22] <yofel> I wonder why I didn't have it..
[20:23] <_Groo_> can you take a look at the utopic kio-mtp?
[20:23] <_Groo_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/D0mbPGL8
[20:24] <_Groo_> take a look at this pastebin with -o 'Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true'
[20:30] <yofel> _Groo_: so, for me mtp seems to work fine in dolphin now that my packages are fixed
[20:31] <yofel> _Groo_: and the utopic packages are practically unmaintained, you're better off just upgrading to vivid
[20:32] <_Groo_> yofel: would it kill you guys to fix the plasma-desktop metapackage? it was working fine before the update... and yes, ill upgrade to vivid once its out
[20:32] <_Groo_> i mean in kubuntu-ci utopic
[20:32] <yofel> well, I'll leave that to sgclark or Riddell then. I have no idea how the utopic ci setup looks like
[20:34] <sgclark> I have not touched utopic in the least, sitter is the one there..
[20:34] <soee> oh searching works
[20:35] <sbeattie> yofel: thank you!
[20:36] <Riddell> I don't think anyone does utopic now
[20:36] <yofel> well, _Groo_ does...
[20:37] <yofel> or well, as in maintains, right, nobody
[20:40] <Riddell> meh I'm stuck on okteta
[20:40] <Riddell> these symbols files are horrible
[20:46] <yofel> for backports? Just get rid of them
[20:46] <Riddell> yofel: no in vivid
[20:46] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/okteta/4:14.12.3-0ubuntu3
[20:46] <yofel> oh, bummer
[20:47] <Riddell> running kubuntu-dev-tools/bin/kubuntu-update-symbols doesn't work
[20:47] <yofel> ah yeah, fixing arm symbols post-upload is a mess :/
[20:47] <Riddell> and downloading logs and running pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch -c i386,amd64,arm64,armhf,powerpc,ppc64el buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-*  doesn't owrk
[20:47] <Riddell> work
[20:48] <Riddell> so I think I'll just mv *symbols *.symbols.amd64 and be done with it
[21:08] <Sput> Riddell: 0.12.0 is tagged http://quassel-irc.org/pub/quassel-0.12.0.tar.bz2
[21:08] <Sput> as usual the release announcement will take a few days, but the binary won't change anymore, so feel free to package
[21:08] <Sput> (no significant changes compared to rc1)
[21:09] <yofel> Riddell: oh, and if you're already busy, mind taking a look at akonadi in unapproved? ^^
[21:10] <Riddell> yofel, sbeattie: approved!
[21:10] <yofel> thanks
[21:13] <Riddell> ScottK, debfx: you guys are into quassel packaging, anyone able to update it for final or do I have to stop watching game of thrones?
[21:41] <Riddell> jr_: ook
[21:41] <jr_> ook
[21:43] <Sput> Riddell: sorry, meant to do the release earlier, but work has been killing me yesterday and today :/
[21:44] <Riddell> Sput: it's up!
[21:44] <Sput> \o/
[21:44] <Sput> thanks a lot!
[21:44] <Riddell> debfx, ScottK: you owe me an episode of game of thrones :)
[21:51] <ScottK> Riddell: You're welcome to any episode I have.
[21:51] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:51] <ScottK> Was stuck doing actual paid work.
[21:53] <Sput> that dreaded paid work!
[21:58] <andreas_k> Hi tested the kubuntu installer and had two issues
[21:59] <andreas_k> 1. for the kubuntu installer an breeze app icons is missing. there was used oxygen other.apps icon.
[22:00] <andreas_k> 2. in the install overview the large icon in the white transludent are is sometimes arranged on top and sometimes vertical center.
[22:01] <andreas_k> I can make an breeze app icon for the installer if you like and push it to the repository, but I need the name.
[22:04] <Riddell> hi andreas_k, prth is our gsoc student who should be working on ubiquity this summer, he's your dude to fix these issues
[22:04] <andreas_k> ok perfect. I don't find other issues the installation was well done.
[22:05] <andreas_k> do you know the app icon name? Than you get an new one.
[22:06] <sgclark> ScottK: I will be in Virginia August 12-16ish. We will need to try to plan a meeting again. We will be renting a car this time.
[22:06] <Riddell> andreas_k: ubiquity-kde.png
[22:06] <andreas_k> thanks
[22:07] <Riddell> andreas_k: oh do you know Hugo or whoever does the breeze widget theme?
[22:07] <Riddell> andreas_k: the wifi page on ubiquity shows an obvious problem, you can't easily tell if widgets are enabled or disabled
[22:07] <ScottK> sgclark: OK.  Cool. At least as far as I know know, I'll be around.
[22:08] <sgclark> great :) will ping you again when time is closer
[22:08] <ScottK> Great.
[22:09] <sgclark> ScottK: slso I am working on applications, I will let you know when I have updated seed
[22:09] <andreas_k> Riddell: No I don't know Hugo, but I/you can ask Jens or Thomas. What do you need? I don't use wifi for my installation :-)
[22:09] <ScottK> sgclark: OK.
[22:16] <Riddell> andreas_k: other images used https://paste.kde.org/pitmrxub2
[22:41] <Riddell> andreas_k: oh the libreoffice guy said it's too late for an update as part of the release next week but it can be added as a stable release update so people will get it on upgrading (which can be done during install)
[22:42] <andreas_k> damn.
[22:42] <andreas_k> I don't change anything only added more icons. there are no problems with the daily builds
[22:48] <Riddell> andreas_k: I'm afraid it's the way software goes, you need to freeze at some point to stop more problems creeping in
[22:50] <andreas_k> no problem. LO upgraded so often so no problem. I'm only sorry because the icons are quite old (2-3 weeks) so there are a huge number of missing icons.
[22:51] <andreas_k> but to be honest LO icons are really fun for me.
[22:53] <Riddell> andreas_k: you just work so fast we can't keep up with you :)
[23:01] <andreas_k> that could be ;-)
[23:33] <andreas_k> good night
[23:33] <Riddell> 16 bugs to fix http://goo.gl/Chh7uh
[23:40] <valorie> besides the two bugs I reported yesterday, the only oddity I'm still experiencing is in the slideshow on the desktop
[23:40] <valorie> when a new slide appears, the old one(s) are not erased -- just painted over
[23:40] <Riddell> valorie: plasma-framework should be in -release now
[23:40] <valorie> is that a kwin bug?
[23:40] <Riddell> slideshow on desktop?
[23:41] <valorie> yes
[23:41] <valorie> I have a new slide from a folder of astro pix etc.
[23:41] <valorie> once per hour
[23:41] <valorie> rather than the standard wallpaper
[23:42] <valorie> but in the last 6 mo. or so, the previous image stopped being removed when a new one appeared
[23:42] <valorie> no biggie, but rather strange
[23:42] <valorie> i"m sure it's just a bit of code that got misplaces
[23:42] <valorie> misplaced
[23:43] <valorie> unsure exactly when it started, because I don't often look at my desktop
[23:44] <Riddell> valorie: mm yes I see
[23:44] <Riddell> valorie: upstream bug I'm pretty sure
[23:44] <valorie> oh for sure
[23:44] <valorie> but against kwin?
[23:44] <valorie> plasmashell?
[23:45] <Riddell> valorie: yes Plasma
[23:45] <valorie> I'll ask in #plasma maybe
[23:45] <valorie> ok
[23:45] <Riddell> https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=plasmashell&format=guided
[23:45] <Riddell> I suppose it might be fixed with plasma 5.3
[23:46] <valorie> perhaps
[23:46] <valorie> but I won't get that for a week?
[23:47] <valorie> I could hold off until we have that and then file, since I seem to be the only person using slideshow
[23:49] <Riddell> valorie: there has been zero changes to slideshow wallpapers in the last year so just file it
[23:50] <valorie> ok
[23:51] <Riddell> and mention that you need different sized images to see the issue


[16:23] <nOStahl> hi guys, any of you have one of those mk802 mini pc's
[16:24] <nOStahl> I bought one and they shipped me a clone version with a newer processor chip so none of the ubuntu images for the mk802 work for it heh
[16:24] <nOStahl> need to know how to roll my own
[16:24] <nOStahl> on another note I just bought two more genuine rikomagic version mk802 :)


[02:02] <freeflying> Riddell: After today's upgrade . scim and skim works fine
[02:02] <Riddell> freeflying: awooga!
[02:02] <Riddell> freeflying: in dapper?
[02:02] <freeflying> Riddell: y
[02:03] <freeflying> Riddell: in dapper
[02:03] <Riddell> freeflying: great, I'll put scim etc up for main inclusion review then
[02:03] <freeflying> Riddell: thx
[02:05] <Tm_T> skim? what's that
[02:06] <Tm_T> hmm, should be sleeping...
[02:06] <freeflying> Tm_T: the kde fronted for scim
[02:06] <Tm_T> and scim is...
[02:06] <freeflying> Tm_T: and scim is a input method framework
[02:06] <Tm_T> ah ok
[02:07] <Riddell> for CKJ
[09:35] <viviersf> sigh
[09:35] <viviersf> what a sucky thing to do
[09:35] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-1.png
[09:35] <Tm_T> bad? ;)
[09:35] <viviersf> *sits and secures new firewall server *
[09:36] <viviersf> lol Tm_T
[09:36] <verwilst> Tm_T: /me likes :p
[09:36] <Tm_T> hehe
[09:36] <Tm_T> there's kubuntu, edubuntu and ubuntu logos combined
[09:36] <verwilst> no shit ;)
[09:37] <Tm_T> my point is to show that they all three has too much common to be thought separate
[09:37] <verwilst> problem is when a fourth arrives ;)
[09:37] <Tm_T> let's see if that will end up to all those three releases ;)
[09:37] <Tm_T> verwilst: then ubuntu can go, we don't need it ;--P
[09:37] <verwilst> hehe
[09:38] <viviersf> there is kinda a 4th
[09:38] <viviersf> already
[09:40] <Tm_T> xubuntu yes
[09:40] <Tm_T> but as long as that's not mentioned in ubuntu.com front page, doesn't matter in this kind of things
[09:41] <Tm_T> viviersf: and I can add that mouse to center :p
[09:41] <viviersf> no
[09:41] <viviersf> then its 5
[09:41] <viviersf> what bout impi
[09:41] <viviersf> ;P
[09:42] <Tm_T> can't remember that one
[09:42] <Tm_T> but we do need wubuntu
[09:43] <viviersf> lol
[09:43] <viviersf> dont worry bout impi
[09:43] <viviersf> will be released soon
[09:43] <viviersf> Riddell knows that it exists
[09:43] <viviersf> do i need xscreensaver ?
[09:43] <viviersf> or does kde need it
[09:48] <Tm_T> viviersf: I think it's good to have
[09:48] <viviersf> well
[09:48] <viviersf> you got kscreensaver also
[09:48] <viviersf> im just trying to not have double
[09:48] <viviersf> apps on impi
[09:49] <viviersf> 1 of each
[09:54] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-1b.png
[09:55] <viviersf> whez the mouse ?
[09:55] <viviersf> and the impi
[09:55] <viviersf> ;p
[09:56] <Tm_T> hehe
[09:58] <Tm_T> viviersf: wanna have new background?
[09:58] <viviersf> huh
[09:59] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-1a.png
[09:59] <Tm_T> I hope you like blue ;)
[09:59] <viviersf> impi is kde
[09:59] <viviersf> why wouldnt i like blue ;p
[10:00] <Tm_T> hehe
[10:00] <viviersf> oms
[10:00] <viviersf> bsd takes to long to install
[10:00] <viviersf> :(
[10:11] <Tm_T> viviersf: see c too
[10:11] <Tm_T> note the difference?
[10:11] <viviersf> huh ?
[10:11] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-1c.png
[10:15] <viviersf> your really bored
[10:29] <alleeHol> Riddell: bobesponja asked me to tell you that showimg 0.9.5 build fine here with debian dir from <IP_ADDRESS> debs
[10:29] <alleeHol> bobesponja: done ;)
[10:33] <Tm_T> viviersf: not really bored, just sorta mad
[10:34] <Tm_T> viviersf: realised yesterday that there's name for people like me
[10:34] <Tm_T> viviersf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_Syndrome
[10:56] <Tm_T> viviersf: http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-1d.png
[10:56] <Tm_T> like it?
[10:56] <viviersf> hold
[10:56] <viviersf> ya its kewl
[10:56] <viviersf> still missing impi :P
[10:57] <viviersf> j/k
[10:57] <Tm_T> nah
[10:57] <Tm_T> still don't care about impi ;--P
[10:57] <viviersf> :(
[10:57] <viviersf> *sniff*
[10:58] <Tm_T> :(
[10:58] <viviersf> lol
[11:00] <viviersf> yo Mez
[11:06] <Tm_T> freeflying_: did you look at those pics?
[11:06] <crimsun> git pull
[11:06] <crimsun> crap, sorry
[11:06] <freeflying_> Tm_T: looks cool
[11:07] <Tm_T> crimsun: agreed, crap, and don't be sorry ;)
[11:07] <Tm_T> freeflying_: any suggestions
[11:07] <Tm_T> ?
[11:07] <freeflying_> Tm_T: I like it
[11:08] <Tm_T> just like it is ?
[12:06] <allee> viviersf: impi?
[01:40] <Tonio_> allee: little question ;)
[01:40] <allee> 'k
[01:41] <Tonio_> if a tarball doesn't have an "admin" folder, should I had it in the perspective to apply the kdepot patch ?
[01:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: is it a KDE program?
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, kpowersave ;)
[01:43] <Tonio_> I juste finished the powersave one and stated this one
[01:43] <Riddell> what's the build system used?
[01:43] <allee> Tonio_: what does it use to build
[01:44] <Tonio_> autoconf + automake1.9
[01:44] <Riddell> spooky
[01:45] <sealne> where abouts are the dapper daily cds?
[01:45] <Riddell> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[01:45] <Riddell> sealne: please test today's install CD, it might turn into flight 3
[01:45] <Riddell> live CDs are still broken
[01:47] <Tonio_> allee: in fact I just looked at the tarball again, there is an admin folder....
[01:47] <Tonio_> simply debuild -S -sa removes it.... I just need to search why ;)
[01:47] <Riddell> mystery solved
[01:47] <allee> Tonio_: heh, just found on kde-apps the changelog that 'admin/ was added'
[01:47] <Riddell> that's not good
[01:47] <Tonio_> allee: yep, but destroyed by debuild -S -sa
[01:48] <Tonio_> rm -rf admin
[01:48] <Tonio_> rm -f debian/stamp-bootstrap
[01:48] <Tonio_>  dpkg-source -b kpowersave-0.5.2
[01:48] <allee> Tonio_: WHAT? check make clean rule ;)
[01:48] <Tonio_> allee: okay ;)
[01:51] <Tonio_> allee: found......... okay, I didn't want and so didn't read, the rules file, because I wanted to stay very close to the debian package, but let's go removing this ;)
[01:52] <allee> Tonio_: strange, strange
[01:52] <Tonio_> allee: yep, I don't understand what that is doing is rules...........
[01:53] <freeflying> Riddell: I'tell you that scim and skim can work fine in dapper with gtk and gnome program but not any QT programs
[01:53] <freeflying> s/I'tell/I'd tell
[01:54] <Riddell> freeflying: yesterday you said they worked fine
[01:55] <sebas> Riddell: Did my "howto pass variables to a SLOT in 2 IRC lines" get through to you?
[01:55] <sebas> 3 days ago or so.
[01:56] <freeflying> Riddell: I was too exited to check it with QT program
[01:57] <Riddell> sebas: yes it did thanks but I haven't had time to investigate it yet :)
[01:57] <sebas> Riddell: That's not my problem, of course ;-)
[01:57] <sebas> Anyway, back to work.
[01:58] <freeflying> Riddell: so sadly and sorry for telling you these :(
[02:03] <allee> Tonio_: the rules files is 'unique' never saw this solution to the 'get a more recent admin/' directory.
[02:03] <JRe> anyone else than me has problems with java in ubuntu ?
[02:04] <JRe> (dapper)
[02:05] <Tonio_> allee: I'm trying to get the package in a more "convenient" way
[02:05] <Hobbsee> JRe: some, yes, URL to test?
[02:06] <allee> Tonio_: you have a new release to admin is probabliy recent enough.  Use good old minimal rules template ;)
[02:06] <allee> s/to admin/so admin/
[02:07] <Tonio_> use yep ;)
[02:09] <Tonio_> s/use/allee: ;)
[02:09] <JRe> Hobbsee: the point is I can't run Eclipse nor Azureus
[02:09] <Tonio_> don't ask me how I did this :)
[02:09] <allee> Tonio_: hah, success.  I've infected you!!
[02:09] <Hobbsee> ah, i run neither program
[02:10] <JRe> Hobbsee: I think it's because of X
[02:10] <Tonio_> allee: ^^
[02:10] <allee> JRe: what java variant, sun, ibm, gnu
[02:10] <allee> +?
[02:10] <JRe> allee: sun one
[02:11] <JRe> allee: installed with java-package
[02:11] <allee> JRe: ohh, does it work?  Failed for me after last sec update from sun
[02:12] <JRe> allee: yeah it work now with update 6
[02:12] <JRe> allee: but it's unusefull because after, it's not possible to run eclipse nor azureus
[02:12] <JRe> allee: I think it's because of swt
[02:13] <JRe> allee: and BTW I had a FTBFS with your digikam test package
[02:13] <allee> JRe: I try again next week when I have a fast enough connection again.  Sooner or later I need the java gui for the backup system ;)
[02:13] <JRe> allee: :)
[02:13] <allee> JRe: which part failed to build? Which system?
[02:14] <JRe> allee: was the same error that i told you before: libxft.la not foud
[02:14] <JRe> allee: on amd64
[02:14] <Hobbsee> JRe: excuse the ignorance, but what exactly does FTBFS stand for?
[02:15] <allee> JRe: try pbuilder
[02:15] <JRe> Hobbsee: Failure To Build From Source
[02:15] <JRe> allee: ok
[02:15] <Tonio_> JRe: Finishing kpowersave and then updating keep....
[02:15] <Hobbsee> right, yep
[02:15] <Tonio_> JRe: I think you had suggestions ?
[02:15] <JRe> allee: I try it in a dapper pbuilder
[02:15] <allee> JRe: btw can you grep libXft.la /usr/lib/*.la
[02:17] <allee> JRe: pbuild in dapper and breezy on i368 was fine here
[02:17] <apokryphos> Riddell: I got 'em! They look very flash; I like the design :). Thanks.
[02:17] <JRe> allee: http://ubuntu-fr.pastebin.com/503891
[02:17] <allee> JRe: shame on you: libXft.la is in /usr/lib/libkmediapart.la
[02:17] <JRe> allee: do I miss a package ?
[02:18] <allee> JRe: no.  libXft.la was in breezy but now longer
[02:19] <JRe> allee: ok so what do I need to do to clean it ?
[02:21] <allee> JRe: can you apt-get -b source libkipi  and check in libkipi.la has lost the reference to libXft.la
[02:22] <allee> I've relibtoolized version working here, that why I didn't notice.  the do not depend on libXft anymore
[02:23] <allee> JRe: if this removes libXft.la, then rebuild with libkexif.  Now digikam should build.
[02:24] <JRe> allee: ok trying this
[02:26] <JRe> allee: seems to be working
[02:27] <allee> good.  Seems like we have to rebuild every lib that contains libXft.la  in it's la files
[02:27] <allee> Riddell: ^^^^^
[02:27] <JRe> allee: yes :)
[02:38] <JRe> allee: ok digikam builded
[02:38] <JRe> allee: thanks :)
[02:39] <JRe> allee: test is begining =)
[02:39] <JRe> allee: is it normal that there is no more standard labels ?
[02:40] <allee> JRe: standard labels?
[02:40] <JRe> allee: wait I make a screenshot
[02:40] <allee> JRe: small one.  I only have isdn ;)
[02:41] <JRe> ki
[02:42] <JRe> allee: http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=digikam7cq.jpg
[02:43] <allee> JRe: mhhm, I remember people complaining about People, Events etc.  and a related i18n() problem
[02:44] <allee> JRe: looks like they standard tags got removed as a solution.  I'll check that it's really a feature and not a bug
[02:44] <JRe> allee: in reality thet
[02:44] <JRe> allee: in reality they start to disapear in 0.8.0
[02:44] <JRe> allee: ok
[02:46] <JRe> allee: apart from that everything seems fine
[02:48] <allee> JRe: you do not miss by accident the umount menu item in Camera?  heh, heh
[02:48] <allee> JRe: thx for the test
[02:51] <sealne> woo!! dapper asks about http proxy :-)))
[02:52] <sealne> no more 8min timeout waits
[03:25] <Riddell> jjesse: docs meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[03:25] <jjesse> grin thanks i forgot it was time
[03:36] <freeflying_> hi anyone indapper may do " echo $QTDIR " and tell me the reslut
[03:38] <Riddell> QTDIR isn't set in Debian/Kubuntu
[03:45] <Riddell> Tm_T: is that logo you have ment to be used for anything?
[03:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: both powersave and kpowersave uploaded
[03:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: do they use HAL?
[03:53] <Tonio_> yep
[03:53] <Tonio_> and dbus
[03:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there anything special with HAL I should have known ?
[03:54] <Riddell> no, I was just wondering if I'd remembered that correctly
[03:54] <Tonio_> ah ok ;)
[03:55] <Tonio_> kpowersave was a pain to package.......... really !
[03:55] <Riddell> we love you for it
[03:55] <Tonio_> lol
[03:55] <Tonio_> in fact most of the crappy things where resolved in the debian package...
[03:56] <Tonio_> when they are confirmed correct, I will email then to the debian maintainer
[03:58] <\sh> Riddell: pykde upstream will apply the patches...and tries to improve the support
[04:00] <Riddell> woo
[04:00] <\sh> and I have to give him some examples for kconfigxt in python
[04:02] <Riddell> do you have any?
[04:03] <Tonio_> JRe: keep 0.2.0 packaged and uploaded, while I'm still waitin' for a po folder "ma poule" ;)
[04:03] <Riddell> my keyboard is in US layout and I can't find the backslash
[04:03] <\sh> Riddell: yepp :)
[04:04] <\sh> Riddell: I'll refactor my kpybt examples easily
[04:16] <Tm_T> Riddell: maybe for artwork if it's good enough
[04:16] <Tm_T> Riddell: just playing with ideas
[04:17] <Tm_T> Riddell: what you think? or ideas where it can be used?
[04:27] <nlindblad> hi
[04:35] <bobesponja> allee: thanx :)
[04:35] <allee> bobesponja: np :)
[04:52] <\sh> allee: ok..k3b is as well hit by the libXft.la issue
[04:52] <\sh> kbluetooth as well
[04:52] <\sh> and some other stuff which I have to find out which package it is
[04:53] <nlindblad> hi \sh
[04:53] <\sh> Riddell: libXft.la is gone...we have to check the packages for kde...k3b and what allee said libkexif libkipi digikam etc. there are a lot more
[04:53] <\sh> hey nlindblad
[04:54] <nlindblad> how come kmail isn't in the "Internet" submenu?
[04:55] <\sh> because it's replaced by kontact
[04:55] <\sh> in the office section
[04:55] <nlindblad> right
[04:55] <\sh> but you can easily add kmail to your panel without any difficulties :)
[04:56] <nlindblad> yeah
[05:05] <bobesponja> Tm_T: is kedubuntu  really planned or are you just doing it (the artwork) for fun?
[05:05] <bobesponja> Tm_T: it looks great anyway :)
[05:06] <nlindblad> bobesponja: URL?
[05:06] <bobesponja> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/
[05:07] <bobesponja> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-1d.png and others
[05:07] <nlindblad> thanks
[05:07] <OculusAquilae> bobesponja: would be nice to have it
[05:08] <\sh> OculusAquilae: does ogra know about it?
[05:08] <OculusAquilae> \sh: about what?
[05:08] <bobesponja> OculusAquilae: I think edubuntu should have been based on kde in the first place cause kde has such a great kdeedu project
[05:08] <\sh> OculusAquilae: kedubuntu and this nice artwork?
[05:09] <bobesponja> OculusAquilae: and ubuntu too should have been basd on kde cuase it has such a great DE project ;)
[05:09] <\sh> bobesponja: kdeedu is used in edubuntu :)
[05:09] <OculusAquilae> bobesponja: right :)
[05:09] <bobesponja> \sh: i know but still, they should have picked kde as the main DE
[05:09] <bobesponja> :)
[05:09] <OculusAquilae> \sh: don't know
[05:12] <\sh> who did this artwork?
[05:12] <\sh> Tm_T: talk to ogra fast :)
[05:23] <Riddell> spstarr_work: there are no KDE 4 packages, it's not ready for packaging yet
[05:23] <spstarr_work> oh, so still in heavy development I was hoping to build it from SVN soon and begin to examine it
[05:24] <Riddell> spstarr_work: building from SVN is the way to go, although no paticular promises that it'll build at any given time
[05:24] <spstarr_work> given :)
[05:24] <Riddell> ** test flight 3 candidate CDs!  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20060113.1/  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060113/
[05:27] <Lathiat> haha
[05:28] <Lathiat> one of my colleagues runs it now
[05:28] <Lathiat> as do i
[05:28] <Lathiat> on our work pcs
[05:28] <Lathiat> and this guy si like, never touched linux in his life
[05:28] <spstarr_work> :)
[05:28] <Lathiat> he is a computer tech tho
[05:28] <spstarr_work> I will become a Ubuntu desktop once the support of win2k expires on this machine im on :)
[05:28] <Riddell> spstarr_work, Lathiat: that's great to hear
[05:28] <spstarr_work> well, Kubuntu that is
[05:29] <Lathiat> i need to fix this 1 big in the remote desktop client
[05:29] <Lathiat> if you have dual monitor
[05:29] <Lathiat> e.g. nvidia or atis bgi desktop - but with xinerama extensions to tell you the layout
[05:29] <spstarr_work> im interested to seeing how KDE 4 and Xegl is going to intergrate in some mannor
[05:29] <Lathiat> if you fullscreen the client, it fills one monitor
[05:29] <Lathiat> but the graphic part is centered as if it should be going accross both monitors
[05:29] <spstarr_work> I know QT has 'Arthor'
[05:29] <Lathiat> i figure there just using the wrong bit of info to put the imagine in the right spot
[05:29] <spstarr_work> (aka, Cairo for KDE)
[05:31] <verwilst> Riddell: when is flight 3 due?
[05:31] <verwilst> since my 5 dapper systems are going into production next week hehe
[05:31] <Riddell> verwilst: whenever we get all the CDs tested
[05:36] <jjesse> Riddell: are there any x86 cd's you need tested?
[05:37] <verwilst> gottogo!
[05:38] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, see the URLs above
[05:38] <jjesse> downloading
[05:39] <jjesse> hmm if i rsynced my .iso this morning will it be the latest?
[05:40] <Riddell> depends on your morning
[05:40] <Riddell> rsync again and find out
[05:40] <jjesse> i'm gmt -5
[05:41] <Riddell> timestamps at those cdimage URLs should be GMT
[05:43] <jjesse> yeah it was, cool working on it right now
[05:45] <bobesponja> i've just installed qt4.1 and I don't get any icons in designer-qt4 http://p80.free.fr/designer-qt4.png
[05:45] <bobesponja> anyone has the same problem?
[05:45] <Riddell> bobesponja: kubuntu packagfes?
[05:45] <bobesponja> Riddell: yes
[05:51] <bobesponja> Riddell: do you have the same problem?
[05:52] <Riddell> installing..
[05:53] <bobesponja> k
[05:56] <bobesponja> Riddell: I have the same problem with assistant-q4, no icon are displayed in the toolbar
[06:00] <Riddell> bobesponja: works for me
[06:00] <Riddell> bobesponja: breezy or dapper?
[06:01] <bobesponja> Riddell: drapper
[06:03] <Riddell> bobesponja: icons in assistant-qt4 work for me, if not the docs
[06:03] <bobesponja> Riddell: and in designer?
[06:04] <Riddell> yes, works there too
[06:07] <bobesponja> Riddell: see this http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2006/01/msg00088.html
[06:08] <bobesponja> Riddell: did you  install libqt4-debug ?
[06:08] <Riddell> nope, installing..
[06:08] <bobesponja> I'm gonna remove it and see what happen, that seems to be the problem according to the thread
[06:11] <Riddell> yes, that breaks it
[06:11] <Riddell> so rename libqt4-debug to libqt4-addbug
[06:12] <bobesponja> :)
[06:49] <pef> hello
[06:49] <Riddell> yo pef
[06:49] <pef> Riddell: hello jonathan, happy to be able to come here :)
[06:51] <Riddell> pef: flight 3 candidates need testing if you're looking for something to do :)
[06:51] <Riddell> pef: also upstream version freeze next week, although I think universe has longer
[06:51] <pef> Riddell: currently I cannot install flight2 :/
[06:52] <pef> Riddell: doesn't find nor cdrom nor hard drive
[06:52] <jjesse>  Riddell: no problems w/ the live cd here
[06:52] <Riddell> jjesse: i386?
[06:52] <gobbe> i might test fligt3 with my desktop-computer because i have now this thinkpad for job :)
[06:52] <jjesse> correct i386
[06:52] <jjesse> i386 and using qemu to run it
[06:53] <Riddell> clever
[06:54] <jjesse> i've become a fan of using qemu to learn/test things
[06:54] <Riddell> I always found it too slow to be of use
[06:54] <jjesse> i have xp pro,breezy and dapper
[06:55] <jjesse> well for simple things that i wnat to do and learn it is easier then rebooting to a different operating system
[06:56] <sebas> For simple things to test on dapper, chroot is quite useful.
[06:56] <sebas> If you're running breezy or another linux, that is.
[07:00] <jjesse> is there a page or something that i can learn how to use chroot?
[07:00] <sebas> Google helps you.
[07:00] <jjesse> grin thnaks
[07:01] <sebas> The important thing is to bind mount /tmp, /dev and /proc in your chroot.
[07:01] <sebas> Then you can do most things, export DISPLAY=:0 and you can even run GIU programs.
[07:01] <sebas> (Maybe xhost - aswell)
[07:02] <pef> sebas: adding -d to dchroot command works well too for gui programs :)
[07:02] <sebas> Ah, thanks.
[07:02] <sebas> But that's dchroot, I was talking about chroot. (Not that I know the difference :D)
[07:52] <jjesse> Riddell: todays dapper i386 installed w/o issues on the install working on testing it
[07:59] <Riddell> jjesse: excellent, thanks
[08:01] <nlindblad> hello again
[08:11] <Riddell> hello nlindblad
[08:14] <nlindblad> is the migration finished yet?
[08:17] <Riddell> not that I've heard
[08:18] <nlindblad> sounds like a big, big project
[08:19] <Riddell> I belive the script ran for a hour then broke so it's being done again
[08:19] <nlindblad> okey
[08:20] <nlindblad> but is Launchpad something from Canonical Ltd (the official sponsors of Ubuntu)?
[08:20] <nlindblad> *-s
[08:20] <Riddell> yes
[08:21] <Riddell> and it should be able to handle our needs much better than bugzilla
[08:21] <nlindblad> how come this migration hasn't been done before?
[08:21] <Riddell> bugzilla not being designed for 10,000 packages
[08:22] <Riddell> because lauchpad is a big project and wasn't ready before I guess
[08:22] <nlindblad> would be nice if KDE/GNOME/XFCE had their translation/bug tracking with Launchpad too
[08:24] <Riddell> nlindblad: well once dapper pacakges get ported into rosetta (translation part of launchpad) then I'll suggest to the KDE i18n teams that they use it
[08:24] <nlindblad> good
[08:24] <nlindblad> imagine if major projects would use Launchpad and some other distros joined in
[08:24] <nlindblad> lots of work saved
[08:26] <Mez> nlindblad, thats the whole concept behind it
[08:26] <nlindblad> I know
[08:26] <nlindblad> I'm just enjoying the thought of it
[08:27] <nlindblad> but is it right that Launchpad itself is not entirely free/libre software?
[08:27] <spstarr_work> i wanna see the source for it :)
[08:27] <Riddell> nlindblad: it's not at all Free
[08:27] <nlindblad> libre then
[08:27] <Riddell> but will be at some unspecified time in the future
[08:27] <nlindblad> open source
[08:27] <Riddell> that's what I ment
[08:27] <nlindblad> okey
[08:28] <nlindblad> but I thought Canonical Ltd were into libre software
[08:29] <Riddell> the rationale is that for launchpad they have very specific ideas about how it should work and the development of it wouldn't benefit from being open
[08:29] <Riddell> which is probably quite correct
[08:29] <nlindblad> I see
[08:29] <Riddell> but not everyone is happy about it not being Free
[08:29] <nlindblad> yeah, some projects might not join because of that
[08:55] <jjesse> how long do you think those kubuntu cd's will take to get to MI Riddell ?
[09:03] <Riddell> jjesse: MI?
[09:03] <jjesse> michigan, USA
[09:04] <Riddell> oh, no idea I'm afraid
[09:25] <bobesponja> Riddell: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060113/ torrent tracker seems to be dead
[10:29] <LaserJock> Riddell: ping?
[10:39] <Riddell> LaserJock: hi
[10:41] <LaserJock> Riddell: hi I was looking at merging kdeaccessibility and I wondered what "Remove GCC 3.4 on hppa" meant in the changelog
[10:42] <Riddell> LaserJock: gcc 4 had a problem on hppa for a while that ment thing didn't compile, so those pacakges were set to use gcc 3.4
[10:43] <LaserJock> Riddell: in debian/control?
[10:44] <Riddell> build-dep: gcc-3.4 [hppa]
[10:44] <Riddell> plus some variable set in debian/rules
[10:46] <LaserJock> Riddell: sorry to be a bother but when I do grep hppa in /debian all I get is the changelog entry
[10:46] <Riddell> that's because it was removed
[10:47] <LaserJock> oh, ok
[10:47] <LaserJock> so we should be able to just sync it from Sid?
[11:11] <LaserJock> Riddell: the debian kdeaccessibility package built fine in my dapper pbuilder, should I ask for a sync?
[11:24] <Riddell> LaserJock: could you get me a debdiff of the current ubuntu and debian package
[11:25] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:26] <LaserJock> its 2.4MB
[11:27] <LaserJock> a lot of .svn stuff
[11:27] <Riddell> just diff the debian directories then
[11:27] <Riddell> hmm, in which?
[11:31] <LaserJock> well, there is some .svn stuff in debian/cdbs/
[11:32] <Riddell> in ubuntu or debian?
[11:35] <LaserJock> oh, the .svn is in ubuntu's debian/cdbs/
[11:36] <Riddell> ah, so my fault
[11:36] <Riddell> well find . -name .svn | xargs rm -rf
[11:36] <LaserJock> ok, if I exclude .svn from the debdiff the diff of the debian/ dirs is 795k
[11:36] <Riddell> then take a diff -urN
[11:37] <Riddell> crivvens
[11:37] <Riddell> can you put it on a webserver somewhere?
[11:37] <LaserJock> the diff? sure
[11:42] <LaserJock> Riddell: http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/kdeaccessibility_3.5.0-0ubuntu1.diff
[11:48] <Riddell> oh, branch patch and buildprep
[11:49] <Riddell> there's no signifiant changes in the debian version and some in the ubuntu version that need kept, just leave it
[11:50] <LaserJock> so don't sync, leave it as is?
[11:51] <Riddell> correct
[11:52] <Riddell> it'll probably get updated for KDE 3.5.1 anyway
[11:52] <LaserJock> when will that be?
[11:55] <Riddell> just after upstream version freeze
[11:55] <LaserJock> oh, ok


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