[06:36] <StoffBox-Steve> updala, you postet >deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse<  have > main restricted  , too ?
[06:36] <abelli> bebek: so what happens if you right-click on the volume applet?
[06:36] <Vilijo> and abelli, those 686 headers you listed doesn't match, does it matter? you say 2.6.10-4 and I have -3
[06:36] <bedge> than you are on the wrong place with the "burning problem"
[06:37] <StoffBox-Steve> must find more than that i think updala
[06:37] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: no i dont so i have to add main + restricted too?
[06:37] <updala> a new line?
[06:37] <bebek> abelli: i can't even load it. it says "no mixer" or something like that
[06:37] <abelli> so you need an oss mixer
[06:38] <abelli> bedge: why?
[06:38] <bebek> abelli:yes
[06:38] <bebek> abelli: i don't know any oss mixer..
[06:38] <StoffBox-Steve> maybe a good way .. im using warty so i dont no where Xorg is in, but search the whole list is a good way :) try it
[06:38] <StoffBox-Steve> updala,
[06:38] <abelli> ok.. im just writing random words to create entropia: thinking
[06:38] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted          right?
[06:39] <robodex> aaaaa!
[06:39] <updala> he?
[06:39] <bebek> any oss mixer out there?
[06:39] <Pyre> ACTION coughs
[06:40] <acolyte> abelli: gonna be afk for a while
[06:40] <abelli> acolyte:
[06:40] <abelli> ok
[06:40] <abelli> bebek: gstreamer0.8-oss
[06:40] <bebek> oh....
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[06:41] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: now apt-cache search xorg finds more..
[06:41] <acolyte> abelli: 32% by now, 40 min remaining, so :)
[06:42] <updala> how can i install all Xorg related pkgs?
[06:42] <MindZEye> Does anyone know of a good resource for building .deb files from source?
[06:42] <apokryphos> updala: are you on hoary?
[06:42] <ntoll> my sound just stopped working
[06:42] <abelli> updala: what distro?
[06:42] <abelli> ntoll: well work it out
[06:42] <updala> damn small linux remaster
[06:42] <ntoll> Worked fine yesterday, but today nothinng
[06:43] <abelli> MindZEye: the apt manual from debian.org
[06:43] <StoffBox-Steve> yes, i updatet mylist too :) installing the xorg-common  updala
[06:43] <updala> its from damnsmalllinux.org with some changes
[06:43] <abelli> updala: i dont think its safe to uprade to hoary
[06:43] <fr500> updala: try apt-get install xorg*
[06:43] <MindZEye> Cheers.
[06:43] <updala> aha
[06:43] <abelli> updala: but let's try it.
[06:43] <ntoll> abelli ,yeah thanks for your help. Obvious with a genius like you who is always welcome to offer advice like that I'll have no problem
[06:43] <ironwolf> abelli: define safe?
[06:44] <abelli> ntoll: ohhh.. why being sarcastic
[06:44] <abelli> ironwolf:
[06:44] <abelli> ironwolf: that your next step shouldnt be suicide
[06:44] <updala> ohh no xorg wants more then 200 mB..
[06:44] <ntoll> o.k. I get th emessage that /dev/dsp doesn't exist. Nevertheless its certainly there... Any ideas? A trawl of google doesn't help
[06:44] <ironwolf> abelli: I'm running hoary on multiple systems, even did an update today, things seem safe and stable this morn.
[06:44] <CountDown> When I put a CD in my CD drive, I can access it through XMMS, but I can't access it through the file system... /cdrom is empty.  Any idea why this is so?
[06:44] <abelli> updala: you cant install only hoary
[06:45] <StoffBox-Steve> xorg need its ohn libs updala, thats why
[06:45] <StoffBox-Steve> own
[06:45] <abelli> ironwolf: yes but you cant upgrade from damnsmall to hoary without pain..
[06:45] <raydogg``> how come the ubuntu live cd correctly identfies my card, but the array-5 doesn't >?
[06:45] <abelli> ironwolf: but ill be happy to try it
[06:45] <raydogg``> card = video card
[06:45] <StoffBox-Steve> do you try install xorg* updala?
[06:45] <ironwolf> abelli: damnsmall?
[06:45] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: yes
[06:45] <abelli> ironwolf: updala is using it
[06:45] <StoffBox-Steve> wait updala
[06:46] <ntoll> abelli, if you think I'm asking here and assuming I have not tried to work it out myself then that shows you don't seem to have a high opinion of the users of this chan
[06:46] <StoffBox-Steve> updala, you have an ATI card ?
[06:46] <abelli> ntoll: im just optimistic
[06:46] <abelli> :))
[06:46] <ironwolf> ntoll: users come in all shapes and sizes. :)
[06:46] <ntoll> abelli, I have tried to, I just need to pick ppls brains...
[06:46] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: yes.. i want also that opengl thing..
[06:46] <ntoll> quite
[06:46] <StoffBox-Steve> ok
[06:46] <abelli> ntoll: i wont judge you for nothing in this world... sorry if it seemed so
[06:47] <StoffBox-Steve> just wait a min
[06:47] <ntoll> abelli, np, apologies for the sarcasm
[06:47] <abelli> ntoll: :)
[06:47] <ntoll> I just don't see whats happened. It can't be the hw as knoppix ad windows both work
[06:47] <ntoll> I haven't installed anything
[06:47] <error_29> hello all.  Can somebody help me -- How can I get NickServ to stop nagging me for my identity and password everthing time I log on?
[06:47] <ntoll> or apt-got it
[06:48] <abelli> ntoll: can you tell me what modules knoppix load?
[06:48] <ntoll> alsa
[06:48] <ntoll> my modules load too
[06:48] <updala> whats xorg-dbg?, its 60 mb big
[06:48] <abelli> ntoll: ok
[06:49] <StoffBox-Steve> updala, i think this one get all you nett > sudo -s apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx xorg-common xserver-org xserver-org-dbg fglrx-kernel-source
[06:49] <horay_tester> Hi allllllllllll
[06:49] <StoffBox-Steve> nett = need
[06:49] <ntoll> which is the funny thing, everything seems to load ok, but no sound
[06:49] <horay_tester> I am back.
[06:49] <bebek> does anyone know if i can suspend my laptop in ubuntu?
[06:49] <horay_tester> You can.
[06:49] <horay_tester> but u need to unload some modules first,
[06:49] <bebek> which one?
[06:49] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: thx..
[06:50] <horay_tester> depends on ur hardware, do u use hoary?
[06:50] <bebek> yup
[06:50] <StoffBox-Steve> NTN updala, :)
[06:50] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: do i have to recompile my kernel so fglrx worx?
[06:50] <CountDown> error_29: You should register a nick.
[06:50] <horay_tester> me too. I could not yet recover completely from hibernation (sleep to ram does not work !)
[06:51] <fr500> sleep to ram or standby works in warty with the wiki instructions for me
[06:51] <abelli> ntoll.. no dsp
[06:51] <abelli> ok
[06:51] <StoffBox-Steve> as i know, normly not  but you can there for  is the knerel-source, updala
[06:51] <horay_tester> whfr500 at laptop do u have
[06:51] <ntoll> no dsp
[06:51] <CountDown> updala: Sorry, on what machine are you running?
[06:51] <fr500> i have a toshiba a20
[06:51] <horay_tester> fr500 Which laptop u have?
[06:51] <fr500> didnt work out of the box
[06:52] <updala> CountDown: why do you ask? its a normal p3 with an ati-card
[06:52] <ntoll> I can see /dev/dsp if I look  but if I try esd -d /dev/dsp I get /dev/dsp: No such device
[06:52] <horay_tester> does it use apm ? excuse me but I dont know really what the model means, is it new?
[06:52] <horay_tester> does it use acpi?
[06:52] <statico> any powerbook users here?
[06:52] <bebek> i don't know what's acpi.. can anyone share a light?
[06:53] <AcidWolf> statico im a powerbook user
[06:53] <CountDown> updala: I just joined... I don't think you need to recompile the kernel to get fglrx going, but there are problems with sleep on laptops.
[06:53] <statico> AcidWolf: have you remapped your command key somehow?
[06:53] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: if i apt-get my kernel (i have a mini 2.4.**), do you think something would break?
[06:53] <AcidWolf> statico no i havent
[06:53] <fr500> horay_tester, it uses acpi
[06:53] <fr500> it's not that new
[06:53] <CountDown> updala: Ah, didn't realize you had an older kernel.
[06:53] <horay_tester> check out this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM/view?searchterm=suspend%20hoary for suspend instructions
[06:54] <updala> CountDown: i m building a remaster of dsl.. so it should also work on laptops (on newer one)..
[06:54] <horay_tester> I dont care much about suspend yet, sinc ubuntu boots much faster than suse did, and I like a freash start each time.
[06:55] <horay_tester> My first priority is to understand why CD BURNING DOES NOT WORK! sorry for shouting but it iggiiis me
[06:55] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm, hard to say updala i never work with xorg jet, xfree mit nvidia driver are good for me :)
[06:55] <StoffBox-Steve> mit / with
[06:55] <horay_tester> Alles Gute Stoff
[06:55] <CountDown> updala: Unfortunately, ATI's fglrx driver doesn't play well with sleep or suspend.  This is a known problem that has no solution except for waiting for ATI to get their act together, either by open sourcing their drivers or fixing them.
[06:56] <horay_tester> I gathe no one here have trouble burning cd's......
[06:56] <neighborlee> is it possible to format a thumb drive in linux as i'm not finding options for it under right click the desktop icon for it ...?
[06:56] <CountDown> How does one copy .WAV files from a CD to the harddrive?
[06:56] <horay_tester> Where should I cry for help?
[06:56] <StoffBox-Steve> ATI an open there source CountDown? ... windwos will be free software befor ... *lol*
[06:57] <horay_tester> use cd ripper CountDown
[06:57] <CountDown> StoffBox-Steve: That's a fact.
[06:57] <horay_tester> search for which application has the keywork rip in synaptic
[06:57] <Nonphasis> sound juicer?
[06:57] <Nonphasis> is it in warty?
[06:58] <CountDown> horay_tester: Thanks.  That seems to work.  :)
[06:58] <horay_tester> should be
[06:58] <error_29> Thanks CountDown , actually I did already register the nick.  That's why I don't understand why I have to keep id'ng myself
[06:58] <CountDown> error_29: Ah, you have to identify yourself to the nickserv.  You can do this with
[06:59] <StoffBox-Steve> i`m away, dinner is ready be back about 30 - 60 min.
[06:59] <fizgig10> Is this where we can talk about hoary?
[06:59] <ironwolf> talk away fizgig10. :)
[06:59] <CountDown> error_29:  /msg nickserv identify <password>
[06:59] <gnii> could someone recommend a high spec laptop that is most compatible with ubuntu. I'm after something semi-portable but not a desktop replacement
[06:59] <Xen0n> Hello room
[06:59] <fizgig10> :)  Well, I've got a problem
[06:59] <CountDown> gnii: What do you want to use the laptop for?
[06:59] <verbalshadow> hi
[06:59] <ironwolf> fizgig10: ASK your question about your problem.
[07:00] <viper12> gnli:  I'm using a compaq x1000 series machine (centrino/wifi/etc.) and ubuntu installed beautifully on it.
[07:00] <fizgig10> My network goes down in about 3 minutes after I start it up
[07:00] <fizgig10> I use ndiswrapper
[07:00] <error_29> Yes, thank you CountDown , that I know.  That's the point.  Everytime I open xchat I have to do that?  Is there no way for NickServ to remember for at least a reasonable amount of time?
[07:00] <Xen0n> I just unstalled Ubuntu, and I am fairly new to linux...
[07:00] <gnii> thanks viper
[07:00] <ironwolf> welcome Xen0n
[07:00] <Xen0n> If I do anything...Ubuntu locks up
[07:00] <Xen0n> Thank you, Ironwold
[07:00] <viper12> np gnli
[07:00] <Xen0n> wolf*
[07:00] <fizgig10> my laptop shutdown by itself last night.  I turned it back on this morning and had a problem associated with the .ICE(something) file
[07:00] <CountDown> error_29: Oh, I don't know.  I just figured that out yesterday, so let me know if you come up with anything.  :)
[07:00] <Nonphasis> error_29, Server/Edit this menu in xchat
[07:00] <fizgig10> I renamed that file and I was then able to log in
[07:01] <Xen0n> Is there some way I can run a debug?
[07:01] <Xen0n> Or some kinda of update?
[07:01] <fizgig10> Now I have this new network problem
[07:01] <gnii> countdown: it's will mostly run openoffice and vmware as it's for our client services director. But it will also be used for devel work (postgres, python, twisted)
[07:01] <ironwolf> fizgig: no clue.... perhaps a wizard is in.
[07:01] <error_29> Thanks Nonphasis and CountDown.  I'll try
[07:01] <Xen0n> Also... It seems asif the USB Daemon keeps crashing...
[07:02] <gnii> countdown: so lots of ram, quite powerful, not bothered about games, big disk
[07:02] <fr500> horay_tester, doesnt work? i can burn with nautilus or gnomebaker just fine
[07:02] <viper12> gnli, are you locked into any hardware vendor for that laptop?  (some companies are.)
[07:02] <gnii> no it's my company so we can buy anything
[07:02] <tolstoy_> when you put scripts in /etc/cron.hourly, where does their output go?  A script I put in there doesn't seem to have run at all.
[07:02] <gnii> well, within reason :-)
[07:03] <viper12> the hp/compaq's and ibm thinkpads are really pretty compatible. (IBM's better be....they're dumping 100mil into opensource this year. :D  )
[07:03] <JDahl> Xen0n, I am not sure how helpful it would be to you, but normally you would run "strace <command|daemon>" to figure out what's wrong
[07:03] <viper12> Haven't heard to many complaints about newer dell's either.
[07:03] <gnii> My thoughts were ibm I must admit
[07:03] <gnii> but they have so many varieties and it's not clear why :-)
[07:03] <Xen0n> Also...
[07:03] <viper12> those thinkpads are sweet.  I love this compaq widescreen though.  best lcd of the bunch, imho. 1280x800
[07:03] <horay_tester> fr500 can u burn more than 550 MB files
[07:04] <fr500> horay_tester, have u tried gnome baker?
[07:04] <fr500> i burned playboy mansion iso from linux
[07:04] <fr500> so i guess it's fine
[07:04] <Xen0n> Ummm
[07:05] <Xen0n> bad?
[07:05] <gnii> I've currently got it running on a little sony vaia (C1) which is cool but tiny and slow
[07:05] <updala> whats the difference between xserver-xorg and xserver-org-dbg ??
[07:05] <Xen0n> "etc/apt/source.list" is empty...
[07:05] <Xen0n> There is nothing that file...
[07:05] <Xen0n> Is that bad?
[07:05] <viper12> those are cute, but 'toys' imho.   I doubt your installation is complete
[07:07] <Zugot> so i maxed the ram in my laptop and now i run windows in a vmware session
[07:07] <viper12> laptop brand zud?
[07:07] <viper12> laptop brand zug?
[07:07] <Zugot> not too bad... since i have to run vmware anyways
[07:07] <Zugot> compaq
[07:07] <Zugot> presario
[07:08] <Zugot> its not a bad laptop
[07:08] <fr500> why do u have to run vmware?
[07:08] <viper12> its not centrino though is it?
[07:08] <Zugot> but i think i'm selling this and getting an apple powerbook
[07:08] <Zugot> fr500, because i do alot of testing with different linux environments
[07:08] <CountDown> horay_tester: I tried using Sound Juicer, but on startup I get "The currently selected audio profile is not available on your installation."  Then, when I try to extract, the application quits.
[07:09] <Zugot> viper12, hell no... its an amd 64 3200
[07:09] <Zugot> +
[07:09] <viper12> saw some 'stuff' in the not perfect category regarding the broadcom wifi units.  My presario x1000 is using the intel LAN2110 3B wifi and have no issues.
[07:09] <viper12> er 2100 3b
[07:09] <Zugot> i just run linux in a vm... and then using cywin as my x server
[07:09] <Zugot> it aint too bad at all
[07:10] <viper12> thats cool...vmware right?  what version?
[07:10] <Zugot> 4.5
[07:10] <viper12> buddy of mine's company is moving their data center over to vmware.....gonna save them a zillion in 'iron' after the move.
[07:11] <Zugot> we are moving lots of servers to vmware esx
[07:11] <Nonphasis> Xen is going to be interesting too
[07:11] <Zugot> and vmware full screen with ubuntu... you can't even tell its a vm
[07:11] <Xen0n> Grrr
[07:11] <Zugot> its actually pretty nice
[07:11] <Xen0n> Everything keeps crashing in Ubuntu!
[07:11] <gnii> I/m using vmware5 on ubuntu and it's excellent... runs almost as fast as native
[07:11] <viper12> yep....with server farms running multiple OS's, its a no-brainer.
[07:11] <Zugot> gnii, i'll wait to its released
[07:11] <Zugot> i have 3 vm sessions up right now...
[07:12] <Xen0n> Anyone mind helping me?
[07:12] <Zugot> i'm building a redhat kickstart script
[07:12] <Zugot> chatting on here
[07:12] <gnii> It upgrades them very well, the snapshot manager is a must however..
[07:12] <Xen0n> Everything in Ubuntu keeps crashing...
[07:12] <Zugot> and compiling a kernel
[07:12] <viper12> I downloaded the 5 beta, but have't done anything with it yet. (too busy playing ubuntu guy. lol.)
[07:12] <Nonphasis> Xen0n, hoary?
[07:12] <Xen0n> Eh?
[07:12] <Nonphasis> hoary crashes on me too (completely powers off occasionally)
[07:12] <Xen0n> What is hoary?
[07:12] <Zugot> i think i'm getting the powerbook 15"
[07:12] <Xen0n> Im talking everything...
[07:13] <Xen0n> Mozilla
[07:13] <Zugot> and running virtual pc on it
[07:13] <Xen0n> Periphrial Daemons
[07:13] <Nonphasis> Xen0n, ok, so you probably are not running hoary but warty, the stable version
[07:13] <viper12> Xenon:  Warty Warthog=production release of Ubuntu.  Hoary Hedgehog= testing development version of Ubuntu.
[07:13] <Xen0n> Im running warty.
[07:13] <Xen0n> K
[07:13] <CountDown> Does anyone else get "The currently selected audio profile is not available on your installation" when starting up Sound Juicer?
[07:13] <Nonphasis> Xen0n, perhaps your ram is bad
[07:13] <Xen0n> Probly
[07:13] <Xen0n> lol
[07:13] <viper12> Now, everything is crashing?  what type of machine, how much ram?
[07:13] <viper12> and that was my thought as well (ram issues).
[07:13] <Xen0n> AMD XP2000
[07:14] <Xen0n> 512Mb or DDRPC2100
[07:14] <Zugot> with vmware 4 you can't add hardware (disk) on the fly
[07:14] <Zugot> i don't like that
[07:14] <Xen0n> I probly have bad RAM
[07:14] <gnii> there are too many versions of the ibm t42
[07:14] <Xen0n> I wouldn't be suprised.
[07:14] <viper12> okay.......have you updated your kernel via synaptics to the 6-8-3-686 version?
[07:15] <Nigelenki> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[07:15] <Nigelenki> I don't like this.
[07:15] <Nigelenki> I just installed ethereal
[07:15] <Nigelenki> running it from the gnome menu gets it magic root access.
[07:15] <goldfish> lol
[07:15] <teratorn> anyone know why I can't remove the Applications menu from my gnome panel.
[07:15] <Nigelenki> why can i run an arbitrary command as root without entering my password
[07:15] <gnii> teratorn - security
[07:15] <teratorn> I can remove other things, but when I right cilck the Applications pull-down menu and select remove nothing happens.
[07:16] <politicante> hi, anybody running ubunto on amd64?
[07:16] <goldfish> Nigelenki: dont think so
[07:16] <Ribs> when is the last time you put in your password, Nigelenki
[07:16] <Ribs> ?
[07:16] <goldfish> Nigelenki: think u need to sudo
[07:16] <gnii> policante : me
[07:16] <teratorn> gnii: "security"?
[07:16] <verbalshadow> anyone seen this http://www.broadcom.com/drivers/downloaddrivers.php been any help in coding wireless driver for broadcom?
[07:16] <Ribs> I think there is a timeout
[07:16] <gnii> teratorn: yeah.. if you want a root 'session' try sudo -s
[07:17] <teratorn> gnii: I don't want a root session, actually :)
[07:17] <Xen0n> Anyone here use FreeBSD 5.3?
[07:17] <politicante> gnii: do you have a chroot environment?
[07:17] <gnii> ok sorry... getting mixed up
[07:18] <gnii> it was meant for Nigelenki
[07:18] <Nonphasis> Xen0n, hasn't netcraft confirmed tha fate of BSDen ages ago?
[07:18] <gnii> and wasn't even making sense anyway .. so ignore
[07:18] <Xen0n> Bah.
[07:18] <Xen0n> I think Im just gunna install mandrake or something
[07:18] <bebek> anyone know any mixer for oss?
[07:18] <Xen0n> Im really new to Linux.
[07:18] <Nigelenki> /usr/share/applications/EtherealAsRoot.desktop:11:Exec=gksudo -u root /usr/bin/ethereal
[07:18] <bebek> since gnome-volume applet doesn't work on me
[07:18] <Xen0n> And so far... Ubuntu has been a Ubitchu
[07:19] <Nonphasis> Xen0n, why mandrake?
[07:19] <fizgig10> Here's a strange problem:  If I click on System->Synaptic, nothing happens.  If I go to a prompt and type synaptic, it runs.  How do I troubleshoot this?
[07:19] <Xen0n> Because I installed it for my first time when I Was 11
[07:19] <Xen0n> and It worked.
[07:19] <Nigelenki> Ribs:  If I gksudo ethereal in a terminal it demands my password
[07:19] <teratorn> gnii: do you know if this is a gnome or ubuntu "feature"?
[07:19] <viper12> Xenon.....if you've got memory problems............mandrake AINT gonna fix it.
[07:19] <Nonphasis> Xen0n, try Fedora if Ubuntu doesn't work for you
[07:19] <Nigelenki> if I run ethereal. . .
[07:19] <zenrox> i need a ftp client like flashFXP
[07:19] <Xen0n> Then I just kinda...gave up
[07:19] <Nigelenki> yeah
[07:19] <Nigelenki> right now it just gives me ethereal as root.
[07:19] <Xen0n> Hmmm
[07:19] <Xen0n> Any way to diagnose bad RAM?
[07:19] <Nonphasis> memtest86
[07:20] <teratorn> may as well get the ultimate boot cd if you want memtest86
[07:20] <Xen0n> Does that require downloading something? because every time I do something in firefox, it crashes
[07:20] <teratorn> UBC > *
[07:20] <teratorn> Xen0n: try wget?
[07:20] <CountDown> Xen0n: Which kernel are you using?
[07:21] <viper12> guys......remember.....Xenon has told us that he's a linux nooby........be easy on him, k?
[07:21] <jakejarvis> n00b needs help installing openssl - i get the following error: "package openssl was not found in the pkg-config search path. perhaps you should add the directory containing 'openssl.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable. no package 'openssl' found." i just did apt-get install openssl
[07:21] <CountDown> Xen0n: You might be suffering from the noinotify problem.
[07:21] <viper12> not in warty countdown.
[07:21] <Xen0n_> There
[07:21] <Xen0n_> Sorry about that
[07:21] <Xen0n_> Anyway...
[07:21] <viper12> that only affected the 10-4 kernels in hoary.
[07:21] <JDahl> Xen0n, that could be because of an incorrect java plugin installation et cetera... e.g., if you made a copy of the plugin library instead of symlinking
[07:22] <CountDown> viper12: Ah.
[07:22] <viper12> :)
[07:22] <updala> i ll be back
[07:22] <updala> cu
[07:22] <updala> &part
[07:22] <Xen0n_> JDahl - Everything seems to be crashing, not only FirFox
[07:22] <Xen0n_> How do I use wget?
[07:22] <fizgig10> can anybody tell me how I can check what file System->Administration->Synaptic points at because it wont run Synaptic unless I go to a prompt.
[07:22] <Xen0n_> wget --help
[07:22] <Xen0n_> Sorry, wrong keyboard
[07:23] <ntoll> hmmm... I want to check my modules.conf file
[07:23] <Nonphasis> memtest86 is in boot for me
[07:23] <Nonphasis> probably a hoary thing
[07:23] <ntoll> Xen0n, easily done.... :-)
[07:23] <Xen0n_> Could someone give me an example code of downloading something?
[07:23] <Nonphasis> wget google.com
[07:23] <ntoll> can someone paste me theirs especially the bit for OSS pls? My sound config seems upthe duff
[07:23] <Xen0n_> Great
[07:23] <Xen0n_> Gnome just crashed
[07:24] <Sinistar> what'd it look like ?
[07:24] <Xen0n_> And so did my mouse daemon
[07:24] <Xen0n_> Everything is frozen
[07:24] <Xen0n_> And there is no gnome
[07:24] <Sinistar> oh, that's not good
[07:24] <Xen0n_> Just a single window
[07:24] <Xen0n_> well
[07:24] <Sinistar> and a working IRC client ?
[07:24] <Sinistar> jk jk
[07:24] <JDahl> Xen0n, did you run out of diskspace?
[07:24] <Xen0n_> Gnome didn't crash
[07:24] <viper12> Xenon.......do you have access to a stable box?  download the memtest, put er on a bootable floppy and run it on the problem child miachine.
[07:24] <Xen0n_> K
[07:24] <Sinistar> ah, mem or disk . hmm.
[07:24] <Xen0n_> I have a 80Gb disk
[07:24] <Xen0n_> Fresh Ubuntu install
[07:25] <Sinistar> 200 GB on sale at staples today $59
[07:25] <Sinistar> last day - killer deal.
[07:25] <Xen0n_> Yep.
[07:25] <Xen0n_> My brother bought 4
[07:25] <Xen0n_> :D
[07:25] <Sinistar> maaaaaaxtor though. heh
[07:25] <fizgig10> Here's my question again in case anyone missed it : Can anybody tell me how I can check what file System->Administration->Synaptic points at because it wont run Synaptic unless I go to a prompt.
[07:25] <Sinistar> yeah, 1 TB for liek $250
[07:25] <Sinistar> killer
[07:25] <viper12> 59 bucks?  what type of drive?
[07:25] <Sinistar> enough pr0n to ruin your life for good
[07:25] <Sinistar> max 7200
[07:25] <Sinistar> 133
[07:25] <Xen0n_> 8Mb cache
[07:25] <Sinistar> I'm off to get 2 when the wife gets back
[07:25] <AcidWolf> abelli the upgrade is done and so is the build
[07:26] <Sinistar> do I have a use ?  hell no
[07:26] <viper12> damn.  I just picked up a seagate 160gb with rebate for 75 at compusa.
[07:26] <Sinistar> seagate eh ?    I put max and sea together as reliability -
[07:26] <jakejarvis> n00b needs help installing openssl - i get the following error: "package openssl was not found in the pkg-config search path. perhaps you should add the directory containing 'openssl.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable. no package 'openssl' found." i just did apt-get install openssl
[07:26] <Sinistar> i've had both fo
[07:26] <statico> fizgig10: in the menu, right click the menu item and choose Properties?
[07:26] <Sinistar> go
[07:26] <kbrooks> brb
[07:27] <AcidWolf> brb
[07:27] <AcidWolf> rebooting
[07:27] <Sinistar> I once realized, given an unlimited disk storage - or storage
[07:27] <Sinistar> organizating is all that becomes issue
[07:27] <Sinistar> no kidding
[07:27] <Sinistar> it reveal the necessity for order
[07:27] <Sinistar> without it, kiss it lost in the heap
[07:27] <Sinistar> I face this with some 10 partitions now
[07:27] <viper12> there still is the old rule about filling all available space, no matter how much space you have..........and I still find that true. (damn movie files are big! lol).
[07:27] <Sinistar> music on 3 dif. drives,   getting harder to find things
[07:28] <Sinistar> then again, that's only the stuff I don't care about. heh
[07:28] <fizgig10> statico: I don't have a properties menu when I right-click it.
[07:28] <Sinistar> yes, movie files can be
[07:28] <Nonphasis> Sinistar, rhythmbox helps there
[07:28] <Sinistar> Non- oh, I get it, virtual dir's ?
[07:28] <Sinistar> that is - directories populated dynamically real time ?
[07:28] <Sinistar> based on some rule ?
[07:29] <Sinistar> all *mp3 on all drives ? - hmmm
[07:29] <Sinistar> I do like this idea of - forget WHERE it goes, just make sure you can tag it
[07:29] <Nonphasis> Sinistar, no, I meant the music library
[07:29] <Sinistar> for inventory heh
[07:29] <Sinistar> oh. I see non
[07:29] <statico> fizgig10: eek. i think it's just that gtksu-thing command followed by synaptic.
[07:29] <viper12> afk
[07:30] <jakejarvis> anyone know how i can get the development package?
[07:31] <Nekohayo> Hey all, I kinda have a problem here... can't rm files on a fat drive, even as root.
[07:31] <JDahl> Nekohayo, the partition is probably mounted as read-only
[07:31] <Sinistar> what development package ?
[07:31] <Sinistar> for ?
[07:32] <Nekohayo> the problem is that it's a usb2 drive, it's being automounted to /media/sda5
[07:32] <Xen0n_> Im running mem test now
[07:32] <jakejarvis> i can't install openssl, i get the error: package openssl was not found in the pkg-config search path. perhaps you should add the directory containing 'openssl.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable. no package 'openssl' found. i was recommended the development package by the people on ##linux
[07:32] <fizgig10> woah, I just realized most links in my System->Administration menu don't work!  The only ones that do aree "Device Manager" and "Printing"!
[07:32] <JDahl> Nekohayo, unmount it, insert it into fstab with prober permissions, replug it
[07:32] <Nekohayo> JDahl, besides, I was able to remove ~60% of the folders in there.. but there's ~5 folders left which will give me the read only error
[07:33] <Nekohayo> JDahl, I'll try to edit the fstab .. however, I find it odd that it can delete part of the files. Would be more reassuring if it could not delete any :)
[07:34] <JDahl> Nekohayo, maybe the folder has permissions 444? you could just try chmod

[07:36] <Xen0n_> lol
[07:36] <Xen0n_> BBL
[07:36] <Blaubaer> im trying to install ubuntu, to be exact im trying to help a friend wo hasnt installed linux yet to get ubuntu installed, please help.
[07:37] <JDahl> Blaubaer, dont ask to ask, just ask
[07:37] <StoffBox-steve> how to set a Password to file-roller that is need for extract ?
[07:38] <Blaubaer> the hd is partitioned as hda1: 20gb ntfs, hda2 50gb vfat, hda5 linux swap, hda6 ext2 (for /boot), hda7 for /
[07:39] <JDahl> Blaubaer, I would put /home on a separate partition also... that way you dont need to backup stuff if you reinstall linux
[07:39] <Nekohayo> JDahl, I've tried adding this to my fstab: /dev/sda5	/home/jeff/mount-backupdrive	vfat		shortname=mixed,rw,iocharset=utf8,codepage=850,umask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto,user,noatime,nodiratime	0 0                           and I created the mount point folder, chmodded it to 777 to be sure, then I tried my sudo rm -drvf * inside the mounted drive, still doesn't work
[07:39] <goldfish> Would ubuntu run ok on 64mb Ram ?
[07:40] <viper12> like a pig goldfish.....if that good.
[07:40] <Dr_willis> godsmoke,  its running 'slowly' on my P100 laptop...
[07:40] <goldfish> haha
[07:40] <Blaubaer> my friend is at the point to partition the disk, there should be 15 gb free, what would you suggest.
[07:40] <JDahl> Nekohayo, then I'm out of ideas... btw, do you need sudo if you mount it with uid, gid?
[07:40] <restrex> goldfish depends... what precessor have u>?
[07:40] <viper12> unless you're running without gnome.
[07:40] <Dr_willis> with that much ram
[07:40] <Dr_willis> you may want to not use gnome..
[07:40] <Dr_willis> use icewm or openbox. or somthing MUCH lighter.
[07:40] <goldfish> kk
[07:40] <Nekohayo> JDahl, I think could mount it as a normal user
[07:41] <Nekohayo> thanks for the ideas anyways.. weird problem I got here o_o
[07:41] <abelli> viper12: have you wrote the howto? :)
[07:41] <viper12> with that LITTLE ram.........you couldn't use gnome.....ifn' I remember right.....the cutoff is like 128meg for gnome to work at all.
[07:41] <abelli> s/wrote/written
[07:41] <JDahl> Nekohayo, yes... so you shouldn't need root permissions to delete files
[07:41] <abelli> ...basically.. did you write the howto? :))))
[07:41] <viper12> abelli.....I've got it in writer now.  should post that later today.  I went through the wiki, and there is nothing close to what we did. lol
[07:42] <abelli> viper12: good ;)
[07:42] <Nekohayo> JDahl, is there a way to format my drive to a clean fat thingy from linux?
[07:42] <JDahl> Blaubaer, the partition layout you suggested sounds fine.. just put /home on a separate partition
[07:42] <viper12> which I find odd.  you'd think people on home networks would want to do that.
[07:42] <Dr_willis> 'clean fat thingy' ?
[07:42] <Nekohayo> ..... XD
[07:42] <larsrohdin> how can i make a iso-file of a copy protected dvd?
[07:42] <Nekohayo> to format it back to a clean fat partition
[07:43] <Nekohayo> (even if I believe fat can't be clean at all :)
[07:43] <Blaubaer> JDahl: thanks, i don't know how to tell my friend how to partition the disk, i don't know the ubuntu installer and im talking over icq.
[07:43] <JDahl> Nekohayo, mkfs.vfat
[07:43] <raydogg``> larsrohdin, reboot into windows and use dvddecrypter
[07:43] <larsrohdin> raydogg``, yey great answer...
[07:43] <Nekohayo> okay, I'll look at the man pages, thanks
[07:43] <raydogg``> lol
[07:43] <raydogg``> You're not gonna get an answer about that here
[07:44] <larsrohdin> raydogg``, why not?
[07:44] <raydogg``> Because its illegal
[07:44] <zenrox> who knows of a really good linux ftp client
[07:44] <zenrox> becides gftp
[07:44] <raydogg``> well, not that is illegal, but they know why you watn to make a copy and they won't help you.
[07:44] <larsrohdin> raydogg``, no its not illegal to backup your own dvds
[07:44] <JDahl> zenrox, emacs
[07:44] <zenrox> JDahl,  something with a gui
[07:45] <JDahl> zenrox, xemacs
[07:45] <Dr_willis> its just illeagle to have software that can do it :P
[07:45] <larsrohdin> Dr_willis, yes... and i don't... where can i get it=)
[07:45] <zenrox> JDahl,  can you connect to a ftp server link with flashFXP
[07:45] <zenrox> link=like
[07:46] <JDahl> zenrox, I wouldnt know...
[07:46] <MindZEye> Zenrox:  Konq if you have KDE.
[07:46] <raydogg``> I wish they would make alinux version of flashfxp
[07:46] <zenrox> JDahl,  i need a ftp that has some of the same fetuers of flashFXP
[07:46] <raydogg``> zend, if you find one let me know
[07:46] <zenrox> MindZEye,  dont have kde but ill look it up
[07:47] <raydogg``> zenrox that is
[07:47] <JDahl> zenrox, I've never heard of flashFXP... I rarely use ftp
[07:48] <zenrox> well flashfxp = connecting to a ftp bhind a nat router
[07:48] <raydogg``> flashfxp = sending files from one ftp site to another ftp site
[07:49] <raydogg``> flashfxp +=
[07:49] <zenrox> raydogg``,  i need it to alow me to connect to a ftp behind a nat
[07:49] <Blaubaer> at the point of partitioning when installing ubuntu, how do i tell where what partition gets mounted?
[07:49] <kbrooks> flashfxp = nil
[07:50] <MindZEye> Zenrox:  Surely all you need is the cheeky passive flag?
[07:50] <zenrox> MindZEye,  nope i am behind a nat too
[07:50] <JDahl> Blaubaer, if you create the partitions manually it will show on the screen
[07:50] <zenrox> MindZEye,  it hangs in pasv mode
[07:51] <MindZEye> Zenrox:  Ah, both you and the FTP site are behind a NAT, I get ya.
[07:51] <zenrox> yep
[07:51] <Blaubaer> JDahl: so its best to delete everything except windows and partition everything else new?
[07:51] <JDahl> Blaubaer, yes
[07:51] <zenrox> so i need a client that will alow me to do that
[07:52] <wnaLinux> hi
[07:52] <JDahl> Blaubaer, debian has screenshots of every single step of the install process - perhaps Ubuntu has similar screenshots?
[07:53] <theine> Does anybody know where to get Acrobat Reader 7.0 pre-releasefor Linux
[07:54] <Blaubaer> JDahl: thanks, we try that.
[07:54] <kaos> How do you install .deb and
[07:54] <kaos> redhat files
[07:55] <viper12> abelli.....lol.......I'm writing a tech document......never thought I'd be doing that.
[07:55] <Nekohayo> JDahl, on my mkfs issue, I get this, am I missing something? (The drive is on and mounted)     jeff@khloe:~/mount-backupdrive $ sudo mkfs.vfat -v  /dev/sda5
[07:55] <Nekohayo> mkfs.vfat 2.10 (22 Sep 2003)
[07:55] <Nekohayo> mkfs.vfat: /dev/sda5 contains a mounted file system.
[07:56] <JDahl> kaos, normally you would use apt-get to install .debs, but if you downloaded a single 3rd party package you can install it with "dpkg -i xxx.deb". You can install rpms with alien if you must
[07:56] <JDahl> Nekohayo, you have to unmount it first
[07:56] <Nekohayo> ok
[07:57] <erlend_> why, god WHY can't i get java to work on my hoary installation? i have tried with 3 different versions, i have tried downloading it and installing it from www.java.com and i have tried with unofficial ubuntu packages. still.. NOTHING happens. i try to start azureus, the java bittorrent client. it finds java and everything seems ok, but then it stops. no error messages, nothing. oh, and of course, nothing happens when i try starting a
[07:57] <erlend_>  java applet in my browser.
[07:57] <theine> is anybody playing scorched3d in here?
[07:58] <pisuke> erlend_, www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:58] <JDahl> erlend_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[07:59] <erlend_> JDahl, pisuke, but i have done this
[08:00] <erlend_> it simply won't work
[08:00] <pisuke> in firefox, about:plugins
[08:00] <pisuke> says anything about java?
[08:01] <erlend_> sure, it is installed. but nothing loads
[08:01] <zenrox> nuts this sucks
[08:01] <Nekohayo> JDahl, if the drive is not mounted, it gives me a "no such file/dir" when I try to mkfs.vfat /dev/sda5
[08:01] <JDahl> erlend_, is there a symlink from the plugin dir to the correct library?
[08:02] <Baldr> any1 could help me installin a WinModem in Ubuntu?
[08:02] <Sinistar> lol
[08:02] <Sinistar> WinModem -augh!
[08:02] <kbrooks> Baldr, dialup?
[08:02] <erlend_> JDahl, yes yes. i can promise you, everything is in order (according to the way it should be installed)
[08:02] <Baldr> yes
[08:03] <rubixXx> whats the other lightweight window manager on ubuntu, the straight xorg one?
[08:03] <JDahl> Nekohayo, that's odd... the drive is still turned on, right?
[08:03] <rubixXx> is it failsafe?
[08:03] <Nekohayo> JDahl, yes
[08:03] <Baldr> kbrooks, you know what to do?
[08:04] <JDahl> Nekohayo, then I dont know...
[08:04] <Nekohayo> JDahl, heh :P I'm wondering if I should make it reiser instead of fat... faster but I would loose my compatiblity
[08:04] <kbrooks> Baldr, Model of the modem, please?
[08:05] <Baldr> kbrooks WinModem US Robotics 56k
[08:06] <kbrooks> Baldr, cut the WinModem out. do you have the FULL model of the modem?
[08:06] <neighborlee> is there a way to format thumb drives in linux ?
[08:06] <mjr> neighborlee, what you want is make a filesystem on them, and yes
[08:07] <Baldr> kbrooks, hum... 5610 56K FaxModem
[08:07] <kbrooks> Baldr, OK.
[08:07] <mjr> neighborlee, if you want to use it on non-linux systems, mkfs-msdos might be what you want
[08:07] <Allen> i have installed ubuntu......now i have a small prob
[08:07] <mjr> otherwise mke2fs or something
[08:07] <Allen> there are no loop devices with base system
[08:07] <kbrooks> mjr: 'mkfs-msdos' =~ s/-//
[08:07] <kbrooks> ;)
[08:07] <Allen> do i have to use mknod
[08:08] <neighborlee> mjr, indeed yes..friend came over and for some reason ( at the time I was in windows XP home) xp was unable to format anything at the time ( even floppies) so came back to linux and bam instant success..however I just had no idea how to format thumbs here ;-))
[08:08] <Allen> or is there a way i can get them
[08:08] <mjr> umm, actually, mkfs.msdos :)
[08:08] <Allen> can some one help me in this regard
[08:08] <neighborlee> mrj: dain id hoped there was a gui that might do the trick but I guess not yet ?
[08:08] <kbrooks> mjr: wrong regex. s/-/\.//
[08:08] <kbrooks> :P
[08:08] <neighborlee> mjr: ic
[08:08] <mjr> neighborlee, I wouldn't know about that
[08:09] <kbrooks> lol i like this freeride irb stuff
[08:09] <Baldr> kbrooks, got it?
[08:10] <kbrooks> Baldr, gimme a sec
[08:10] <kbrooks> US Robotics 5610 56K FaxModem right
[08:11] <kent> neighborlee, did you meen that you was hoping for a gui to format floppys? if so, there is one.
[08:11] <Baldr> thats it
[08:11] <kbrooks> OK
[08:11] <Dr_Acemaster> can someone help me install ubuntu from network?
[08:11] <kbrooks> is this PCI or ISA
[08:11] <kent> jdub, you dont happen to have the webcam up and running? :)
[08:12] <kbrooks> @ Baldr
[08:12] <Allen> is there any one who can help me with my loop device problem
[08:12] <Dr_Acemaster> I was trying to find instructions on ubuntu's site, but couldn't find anything
[08:12] <Baldr> PCI
[08:13] <kbrooks> Baldr, OK
[08:13] <Allen> Dr Acemaster:::  i am not sure of the prob that u r talkin abt
[08:13] <goldfish> lol
[08:13] <Allen> but then lets if i can try and help u out
[08:14] <karim> what to do to have the sounds of ubuntu ?
[08:14] <karim> like the sound when I log in
[08:14] <Allen> are u talkin abt installation of ubuntu on the lan
[08:14] <kbrooks> http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=72
[08:14] <Allen> karim its the jingle
[08:14] <goldfish> u need to get your soundcard working
[08:14] <karim> it works
[08:14] <karim> I am on powerpc
[08:14] <goldfish> k
[08:14] <karim> I upgraded from debian to ubuntu
[08:14] <Allen> hmm..
[08:15] <karim> I got the sounds on x86
[08:15] <fr500> 2430561
[08:15] <Dr_Acemaster> Allen ubuntu will not install from my emachine cdrom, so the only other way that I know of is to install from network
[08:15] <larsrohdin_> what does this error mean? dd: reading "/dev/hdc": In/out-error?
[08:15] <ompaul> so there I was with array5 and no ppp0 connection, the auto config tool flashed the lights on the modem (serial), wvdial was not something I was used to {transpires it is as easy as to use}, out of the mists of confusion a little voice suggests sym link so I stuck ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem and the connection worked a treat (minor editing)
[08:17] <ompaul> larsrohdin, what was the full dd command?
[08:17] <larsrohdin_> dd if=/dev/hdc of=bob4.iso bs=1024 did you mean that?
[08:17] <ompaul> larsrohdin, yes
[08:18] <kbrooks> i need to download all packages , not install them
[08:18] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, any idea?
[08:19] <ompaul> larsrohdin_, have you tried it with an absolute path in the of? of=/home/me/bob4.iso ?
[08:19] <karim> larsrohdin, it doesn't work for me too
[08:19] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, wait a sec and ill try
[08:19] <kbrooks> apt-get -d dist-upgrade or what
[08:19] <karim> ompaul, cat /dev/cdrom > something.iso
[08:19] <karim> ompaul, this doesn't work too
[08:19] <SuperL4g> what's the Ubuntu way to add Java to $PATH? My buddy tells me its done a little differently than you'd expect...
[08:20] <kbrooks> HACK! PING
[08:20] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, same thing
[08:20] <msumu> good ev people of da free world
[08:20] <ompaul> arrr
[08:20] <msumu> (re karim)
[08:20] <karim> msumu, ?
[08:20] <ompaul> larsrohdin_, okay I am exhausted which is why I did not ask you are you doing that as root? sudo ?
[08:21] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, hehe, no... i wasn't...=)
[08:21] <solarwinds> Need help....
[08:21] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, but no same thing
[08:21] <ompaul> solarwinds, need classes in telepathy - care to tell us what it is
[08:21] <ompaul> larsrohdin_, it is a data cd?
[08:22] <larsrohdin_> dvd-film
[08:22] <msumu> yes karim
[08:22] <solarwinds> Networkmaneger for ubuntu not working, why ??
[08:22] <msumu> not adapted
[08:23] <larsrohdin_> solarwinds, you using gnome?
[08:23] <solarwinds> yes.
[08:23] <larsrohdin_> solarwinds, tried sudo network-admin ?
[08:24] <msumu> hey karim tu y arrive ac les partitions ou koi ?
[08:24] <solarwinds> larsrohdin, it is OK.
[08:24] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, can it be copy protected? because I could make an iso of it in windows...
[08:25] <larsrohdin_> solarwinds, you got it working?
[08:25] <sander__> solarwinds, I have the same problem. I think it's broken. At least in Hoary.
[08:25] <ompaul> larsrohdin_, I do not know let me play with that idea for a moment
[08:25] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, ok...
[08:25] <ompaul> solarwinds, you trying to use a modem?
[08:25] <solarwinds> not the neteork manger, only the  sudo network-admin. working.
[08:26] <JeRM> yo, i need help ASAP
[08:26] <JeRM> i need to uninstall knoppix off my first partition so that i can reinstall windows!!!!
[08:26] <ompaul> larsrohdin_ I have not forgotten your issue I am trying to pull my brain out of the 1970s it is in bits
[08:26] <JeRM> please, ive been tryin to get this done for a month
[08:27] <solarwinds> I can see the the boot procces that the Network Manger deamon is up, but when I am sudo Networkmanegerm I can see nothing :-(
[08:27] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, ok... take it easy there, don't hurt yourself=)
[08:27] <JeRM> can anyone help me uninstall knoppix !?!?!?!?!??!? plz?
[08:27] <JDahl> JeRM, cant you just reformat it using the mkfs tools, and then install windows?
[08:28] <larsrohdin_> JeRM, yeah just install windows, windows kills everything that gets in its way=)
[08:28] <JeRM> no it doesnt
[08:29] <JeRM> another guy here said thta windows needs the first partition
[08:29] <nanomad> hi everyone....
[08:29] <JeRM> when i boot with XP disc, it says it cannot find any hard disks
[08:29] <bedge> windows nt doesn need that
[08:29] <nanomad> i have a question....
[08:29] <msumu> ask
[08:29] <larsrohdin_> JeRM, yeah, because if you install linux first and windows after, it writes over the mbr and you can only boot windows...
[08:29] <larsrohdin_> nanomad, shoot
[08:29] <JeRM> nah, it int working
[08:29] <bedge> mm wich windows version do you use
[08:29] <JDahl> jerm, if you repartition with cfdisk as ntfs, I bet windows will find it
[08:29] <ompaul> JeRM, its windows, I don't know anything about that why not ask the microsoft community about it?
[08:29] <JeRM> i installed knoppix over XP i guess, and now i cant get XP back on it
[08:29] <nanomad> whenever i try to start xawtv, the screen goes black and I have to reboot. Bug?
[08:29] <Nonphasis> larsrohdin, this doesn't happen w/ separata boot partition
[08:30] <JeRM> damn :(
[08:30] <bedge> frwindows net (anyway nt 5.>) usues a boatloader if there are more operating systems
[08:30] <larsrohdin_> Nonphasis, ok, my bad
[08:32] <ompaul> larsrohdin_ this may help a little :-)  dd if=/dev/cdrom1 of=file.iso   use sudo for it ... replace cdrom1 with whatever your machine is calling hdc check /etc/fstab for values
[08:33] <png> ls
[08:34] <ompaul> JeRM, when you boot from your XP disk (i assume that you have one if not you are in the dog house) tell it to format all of the drive to kill off knoppix but I think it is a step back
[08:34] <JDahl> isnt knoppix a live distro? how do install that?
[08:34] <ompaul> png: -la :)
[08:34] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, what? you mean where i mount the hdc or?
[08:35] <ompaul> yes
[08:35] <ompaul> larsrohdin_, yes
[08:35] <kbrooks> JeRM, .....
[08:35] <ompaul> JDahl, the instructions are in on the site, and iirc in the disk
[08:35] <larsrohdin_> it says that /media/cdrom0 is a directory
[08:36] <ompaul> larsrohdin_, ls -l /dev/cdrom*
[08:36] <Baldr> hum.. since I installed Ubuntu, and it installed GRUB, i cant boot to WinXP .. any1 knows how to fix it?
[08:36] <ompaul> larsrohdin_, that might be useful
[08:36] <larsrohdin_> /dev/cdrom -> hdd , i don't get it
[08:37] <kbrooks> i need a huge file that i can test prozilla on
[08:37] <ompaul> larsrohdin_, msg me and be prepared for a simple instruction
[08:37] <ompaul> Baldr, can u use vi?
[08:37] <solarwinds> Baldr, I am using Win2K and ubuntu (grub) with out any problem..
[08:38] <kbrooks> ompaul, hre doesnt have to
[08:38] <Baldr> ompaul, what is vi??
[08:38] <kbrooks> ompaul, nano is SIMPLE
[08:38] <kbrooks> Baldr, use nano
[08:38] <ompaul> kbrooks, I am an olde timer :)
[08:39] <kbrooks> Baldr, sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:39] <Kokey> or gedit
[08:40] <kbrooks> Baldr, you may exit out of nano by pressing ctrl+x
[08:40] <ubernoob> Anyone tried sun solaris 10?
[08:40] <Baldr> kbrooks, sure.. but what i have to edit?
[08:40] <ompaul> and I have talked people though this before in vi :)
[08:41] <kbrooks> Baldr, well, did your computer boot to windows previously
[08:41] <kbrooks> before this
[08:41] <solarwinds> Someone know how to change D-link Wireless to Monitor mode.
[08:41] <kbrooks> i hope it's right
[08:41] <Baldr> i used to have WInXP... than i installed Ubuntu... and it stopped...
[08:41] <Kokey> read the comments in menu.lst
[08:41] <kbrooks> Baldr, did you install it over xp?
[08:42] <abelli> where's the one with the broken initrd.img
[08:42] <Baldr> no.. in another partition
[08:42] <abelli> ?
[08:42] <solarwinds> I think you install it on the same partition...
[08:42] <kbrooks> he didnt
[08:42] <Baldr> i got partition 1 with WinXP and partition 5 with Ubuntu
[08:42] <carthik> Hi all, so how do I start using a USB keyboard with my laptop? Just plug it in and let rip?
[08:42] <Kokey> after a kernel upgrade, with apt, always needs to modify /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:43] <kbrooks> Kokey, dude
[08:43] <kbrooks> apt does that automatically
[08:43] <Kokey> not in my case
[08:43] <Kokey> =S
[08:43] <kbrooks> well, dont compile from source!
[08:44] <kbrooks> i have a question.
[08:45] <kbrooks> my floppy isnt being detected
[08:45] <Baldr> the onli thing GRUB do is "root (hd0,0) / makeactive / chainloader +1 " ... than it stays there eternaly
[08:45] <kbrooks> i want to reformat it
[08:45] <kbrooks> it has some shit on it that i dont want
[08:46] <arbeck> I've got an smb share mounted at boot... however, only root as write access to it, and I don't want to have to sudo to get right access... how can i change that?
[08:46] <Blaubaer> ok, ubuntu is installed... my friend missed to configure the network, how do you do it if you have the gui the first time. she has dsl over ethernet.
[08:46] <kbrooks> arbeck, well, do you know the mountpoint.....
[08:47] <arbeck> kbrooks: yes
[08:48] <kbrooks> arbeck, well, sudo chown user:user /mountpoint
[08:48] <Blaubaer> any hints on how to get pppoe to work in ubuntu?
[08:48] <kbrooks> and chmod 777 /mountpoint.
[08:49] <arbeck> kbrooks: that was the first thing I tried... it tells me that's not permitted
[08:49] <kbrooks> arbeck, what first thig?
[08:49] <kbrooks> arbeck, DO THE CHOWN FIRST AND REPLACE USER:USER with your username
[08:50] <kbrooks> AND YOU MUST CHOWN AS  ROOT
[08:50] <arbeck> kbrooks: chown and chmod... i've already tried that.... it doesn't work... chown is not permitted
[08:50] <viper12> do it with a 'sudo' command?
[08:50] <arbeck> yep
[08:50] <kbrooks> arbeck, grrrrr
[08:57] <Blaubaer> is there a adsl-setup on ubuntu? if not, how to setup dsl?
[08:57] <arbeck> kbrooks: you see the problem is, when the drive is unmounted I can change the ownership and modify the dir.
[08:58] <arbeck> kbrooks: but as soon as it is mounted I loose that ability... I think I'm mounting the drive incorrectly, but I don't know what I did wrong
[08:58] <kbrooks> arbeck, modify /etc/fstab
[08:58] <goldfish> Blaubaer: go into networking
[08:58] <goldfish> in sys configurations
[08:58] <arbeck> kbrooks: I added this line: //REDHATWEB/web	/media/web	smbfs	credentials=/etc/cred	0	0
[08:59] <Blaubaer> goldfish: im trying to help a friend to install ubuntu, in turkish ;)
[08:59] <goldfish> oh right
[08:59] <goldfish> Blaubaer: Has he installed ubuntu yet?
[08:59] <Blaubaer> its installed, but no net sofar.
[08:59] <goldfish> ah right
[08:59] <goldfish> my dsl got set up during the ubuntu install
[09:00] <goldfish> i set it manually
[09:00] <goldfish> just put in the ip subnet and default gateway values
[09:00] <acolyte> abelli: r u there?
[09:01] <brian___> somebody shoot me. I hate ubuntu =/
[09:01] <abelli> acolyte: yes
[09:01] <arbeck> kbrooks: does that look right to you?
[09:01] <kbrooks> arbeck, add a option
[09:01] <viper12> brian..........why?
[09:02] <goldfish> Because he touches himself at night.
[09:02] <acolyte> abelli: did you find anything?
[09:02] <BrianAnthony> because I don't have anything simple to configure modules with.
[09:02] <acolyte> abelli: I've dled and burned the liveCD allready, so I'm good to go
[09:02] <BrianAnthony> viper12: I have to disable framebuffering, or I can't go into X
[09:02] <arbeck> kbrooks: what option?
[09:03] <kbrooks> arbeck, RTFM.
[09:03] <kbrooks> arbeck, man fstab
[09:03] <viper12> what video card brian?  and are you using warty or hoary?
[09:03] <kbrooks> man mount first. :)
[09:03] <BrianAnthony> viper12: ATI Radeon 9550 and hoary
[09:03] <Blaubaer> how do you change the root password. i told my friend to do a "sudo passwd root" but it seems it asks for a password after a fresh install.
[09:04] <kbrooks> that is the user password
[09:04] <BrianAnthony> viper12: I'm on a 2.6.8 kernel, I downgraded, because I couldn't find any source packages for the hoary kernel
[09:04] <kbrooks> and root is disabled
[09:04] <kbrooks> on ubuntu
[09:05] <viper12> that's the problem then.  you need to upgrade to the 2.6.10 kernel.......my ati 9200 mobility worked 'out of the box' in hoary with that.
[09:05] <viper12> the hoary kernel is part of hoary...........you can't see em' with synaptic?
[09:05] <Blaubaer> kbrooks: so, if root is disabled, then why sudo passwd root as in the installation-howto.
[09:06] <kbrooks> Blaubaer, what howto? where?
[09:06] <BrianAnthony> viper12: I don't know what that is
[09:06] <kbrooks> Blaubaer, sudo works
[09:06] <Blaubaer> kbrooks: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/installation-i386
[09:06] <kbrooks> but not passwd root.
[09:06] <viper12> the package manager in gnome on hoary Brian.
[09:07] <BrianAnthony> viper12: I didn't even know that existed.
[09:07] <viper12> :O
[09:07] <kbrooks> Blaubaer, i'll edit that out
[09:07] <viper12> top menu bar........system>administration> Synaptic Package Manager.
[09:07] <BrianAnthony> viper12: but it still doens't help me with modules.  I would like to give this user full access to everything (through SAMBA). How can I do this?
[09:08] <viper12> viper, if you do a smart upgrade and include the ati drivers..........synaptic will build that out FOR  you.
[09:08] <viper12> er.....gads.....Brian.
[09:08] <viper12> lol
[09:09] <Gorth> Are anyone able to download this file: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/weekly-dvd/current/hoary-install-i386.iso
[09:09] <BrianAnthony> viper12: I have no problem installing the drivers, I just need to disable this module
[09:10] <viper12> in hoary.....you HAVE upgraded to xorg right? if so, you can edit out that in xorg.conf  I believe.
[09:12] <BrianAnthony> viper12: I don't have Xorg
[09:12] <BrianAnthony> viper12: what is the package name?
[09:12] <viper12> via synaptic search for xorg
[09:12] <arbeck> kbrooks: Now if you were a nice guy, you would have told me to use the uid and gid options when i mounted the drive
[09:13] <viper12> if you're on hoary, it should have replaced xfree with it.  how did you upgrade?
[09:13] <Dr_Acemaster> anyone tried to install ubuntu on an emachine?
[09:13] <kbrooks> arbeck, yes, and i forgot them
[09:13] <jakejarvis> where can i get lib-ssl for ubuntu?
[09:13] <BrianAnthony> viper12: I changed my apt sources and  apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:14] <arbeck> kbrooks: but man fstab didn't help much either... i had to go to man smbmount
[09:14] <viper12> nods...I've seen xorg 'not' upgrade before........use the package manager, search for xorg, and do the smart upgrade with it. as well as getting your kernel to 10-4
[09:15] <Blaubaer> please give me some step by step instructions on howto setup dsl, this gets translatet from english, to german to turkish, its quite dificult.
[09:15] <abelli> how can i change root partition while booting warty live cd?
[09:17] <abelli> BrianAnthony: hi there
[09:17] <abelli> BrianAnthony: what's your problem mate?
[09:17] <BrianAnthony> abelli: I have to disable vesafb or I die a horrible death when X loads up
[09:18] <abelli> BrianAnthony: what's?
[09:18] <Lee__> Is there a graphical utility for configuring a wireless card with a WEP password?
[09:18] <Lee__> all I found is the wireless link monitor and network status applet
[09:19] <Lee__> and on the web this:  http://www.gnome.org/~calum/usability/specs/wireless/
[09:19] <viper12> lee........system, administration, networking.
[09:19] <abelli> Lee__: it should me "network-admin"
[09:19] <abelli> s/me/be
[09:19] <abelli> BrianAnthony: u there?
[09:21] <Lee__> it's treating the card as a wired device
[09:21] <Lee__> but iwconfig works and joining an open network works
[09:21] <goldfish> add a wireless connection?
[09:21] <goldfish> well
[09:21] <goldfish> hmm...
[09:22] <Lee__> does the GUI change depending on how you classify it, wired vs. wireless?
[09:23] <jakejarvis> how do i install .deb files in warty?
[09:23] <viper12> Lee, you are using the network tool right?  if worst comes to worst.......delete the current device and then add it again. you should be able to add the wep key with it as well.
[09:25] <flosch> hi
[09:26] <viper12> greetz flosch
[09:28] <DEBHALp> how do I instakll a .deb in terminal
[09:28] <apokryphos> DEBHALp: see man dpkg
[09:28] <DEBHALp> nvm
[09:29] <unifi> hi
[09:29] <zhukov_> hi
[09:29] <unifi> I got java installed on my computer with synaptic
[09:29] <zhukov_> need big help :S
[09:29] <unifi> but I cant seem to get it to work in firefox
[09:30] <unifi> can someone help me out
[09:30] <unifi> ?
[09:30] <zhukov_> started ubuntu today and the panels are all weird (cant see anything, no buttons, etc)
[09:30] <goldfish> unifi: you need the firefox java plugin
[09:30] <goldfish> unifi: one sec
[09:30] <zhukov_> started a console and did killall gnome-panels
[09:30] <zhukov_> restarted gnome-panels and the error was still there...
[09:30] <zhukov_> any sugestion?
[09:30] <unifi> I looked here
[09:30] <unifi> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[09:30] <zenrox> unifi, read www.ubuntuguide.org for java
[09:31] <goldfish> unifi: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla
[09:31] <EndGame> im gonna sound ignorant
[09:31] <EndGame> but
[09:31] <unifi> great thanks!
[09:31] <goldfish> those two commands should do it unifi
[09:31] <EndGame> whats so great about ubuntu
[09:31] <EndGame> looks like a bunch of hippies to me
[09:31] <unifi> ha Endgame
[09:32] <goldfish> It's good for first time users.
[09:32] <goldfish> Like myself.
[09:32] <zhukov_> Help!   I've been helping people for the last couple hours......I can say what I like.......haven't seen you contributing in here...except to tell me to sod off.
[09:35] <godsmoke> viper12: the same reason you seem to care what EndGame is saying
[09:35] <viper12> igged
[09:36] <godsmoke> thanks for anouncing that
[09:37] <viper12> lol dud.
[09:37] <dud> thank god for vmware finally working on amd64... I don't think I could have done my job without vmware heh
[09:38] <dud> such a damn brilliant piece of software :o
[09:38] <viper12> vm is some smooth stuff.
[09:38] <dud> I can compare 10 different linux distros in a flash now... I dont even wanna think about having to installed those by hand
[09:38] <dud> would have taken many days heh
[09:39] <zhukov_> :'( buahahahahahah
[09:39] <viper12> sure would have.  Of course, the live discs do pretty similar job when they work. ;)
[09:39] <dud> I have to deliver a preliminary report on desktop linux alternatives by monday... as a consultant for a medium sized pc dealer
[09:40] <dud> sorta leaning towards recommending ubuntu... but I dunno...
[09:40] <viper12> recomend for what type of 'audience' dud?
[09:40] <godsmoke> dud: alternatives to? -- windows? or another desktop linux?
[09:40] <dud> total newbies and out-of-the-box pc buyers
[09:40] <dud> alternative to win xp
[09:40] <goldfish> yep
[09:41] <goldfish> ubuntu has been good for me
[09:41] <goldfish> I am a complete linux n00b.
[09:41] <dud> my job to make a suitable implementation for the company
[09:41] <zhukov_> c'mon folks help me out!I've googled along and found no solution
[09:41] <dud> so that they can sell custom computers shipped with linux :)
[09:41] <godsmoke> heh
[09:41] <goldfish> nice
[09:41] <Gagatan> ubuntu,suse/sun java,fedora,mandrake.. ok desktop linux's
[09:41] <dud> zhukov_, whats the problem?
[09:41] <godsmoke> sun java?
[09:41] <viper12> I think with hoary in april, it'd be good, but warty still has some issues.  for the total noob, an easier migration is xandros.(but I don't like where they're going as a company....to mickeysoft like for my tastes.)
[09:41] <Gagatan> sun java desktop linux.. based on suse
[09:42] <dud> I'm considering libranet/xandros/linspire/ubuntu at the moment Gagatan
[09:42] <zhukov_> i started ubuntu and the panels are all wrong! No icons, arent workinkg, no menus, just a grey bar
[09:42] <godsmoke> that's so scary
[09:42] <dud> perhaps I'll just build a custom debian tho...
[09:42] <zhukov_> did killall gnome-panel and restarted gnome-panel, but the problem remains
[09:42] <Gagatan> dud: have you checked debian-edu (aka skolelinux)
[09:43] <dud> Gagatan, yep, I'm involved with a LUG in norway... we try to push skolelinux every chance we get ;)
[09:43] <dud> zhukov_, live cd or install?
[09:43] <dud> hoary or warty for that matter...
[09:43] <viper12> tried xandros.......just didn't "feel" right to me. (of course I prefer gnome to kde, so that didn't help.)
[09:43] <Gagatan> dud hmm.. looks like you come from ngt *dsl or something.. correct?
[09:43] <fr500> hey
[09:44] <dud> Gagatan, yeah... trondheim
[09:44] <fr500> does anyone use webdownloader for x?
[09:44] <zhukov_> install
[09:44] <dud> fr500, d4x
[09:44] <Gagatan> dud: oh.. where?
[09:44] <dud> Gagatan, umm, romolslia
[09:44] <zhukov_> now its warty
[09:44] <fr500> dud, why is that the save to field in the new is always greyed
[09:44] <fr500> dud, even if i change it in the default settings still saves there
[09:44] <Gagatan> ok.. the not so sunny side of trondheim then
[09:44] <fr500> MyDownloads
[09:44] <dud> fr500, heh, I dunno... d4x works for me
[09:45] <dud> Gagatan, nah... slum of the scum
[09:45] <fr500> works for me to
[09:45] <fr500> but i want to chage the default save path
[09:45] <dud> somewhere in the options?
[09:45] <fr500> yes i change
[09:45] <dud> oh, there's this option for "always assume defaults" or such
[09:45] <fr500> but still it keeps saving at other place
[09:45] <fr500> let me see
[09:45] <dud> you have to turn that off
[09:46] <dud> Gagatan, hva er cassarossa?
[09:46] <fr500> dud, where?
[09:47] <dud> fr500, let me check real quick...
[09:47] <zhukov_> ..
[09:47] <Gagatan> dud: privmsg
[09:47] <fr500> oh, found it, still have to recheck it every time
[09:48] <dud> fr500, yeah
[09:48] <dud> was just about to tell you heh
[09:49] <fr500> still need work there i guess
[09:49] <fr500> maybe there is a config file i can tweak somewhere
[09:49] <codyman> hi.. whenever my screensaver starts.. after about 10 minutes the whole computer freezes.. any ideas?
[09:50] <mjr> buggy 3d drivers
[09:50] <froust> whenever i try to play a video in mplayer, the big screen goes blue, and the little control panel goes black... any idea why?
[09:50] <codyman> mjr: i have an ati.. could that be the problem?
[09:50] <mjr> wrokaround: don't use opengl screensavers
[09:50] <codyman> mjr: ok
[09:50] <codyman> but i recall it even freezing with non opengl screensavers...
[09:51] <mjr> then it might be something else; just my guess
[09:51] <occy> Anyone got an example of what a DHCP /etc/network/interfaces  should look like to use dhcp by default with eth0?
[09:51] <dud> froust, that happened to me when I tried to use a 32bit codec in my 64bit enviroment
[09:51] <fr500> occy, u mean dhcp server?
[09:52] <froust> i think i might have figured it out
[09:52] <Baldr> kbrooks, i tried that solution given in the forum... about the WinModem... but it didn't work
[09:52] <occy> fr500: I'm not setting up a dhcp server, I simply want to have my desktop automagically configure for dhcp at boot.
[09:52] <Gagatan> occy: auto eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp
[09:52] <fr500> why don't u use the gui
[09:52] <fr500> works fine
[09:52] <froust> weird.
[09:52] <occy> Gagatan: that's all you need?
[09:52] <froust> i can't click the video file and play it
[09:53] <froust> i have to open it from within mplayer.
[09:53] <Gagatan> occy: that's all I use for my laptop, so yes
[09:53] <occy> Gagatan: okies
[09:53] <Gagatan> man 5 interfaces
[09:53] <dud> froust, you could always submit a nice bug report about it?
[09:53] <froust> where would i do that?
[09:54] <dud> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[09:54] <fr500> in fc3 there was a file called ifcfg-eth0, is there some equivalent here?
[09:55] <dud> red hat and its myriad of config files... :o
[09:55] <mjr> /etc/network/interfaces
[09:55] <fr500> thx
[09:57] <fr500> i just want to have the name of my pc appear on my dhcp server, can't find how to do that here
[09:57] <gilles> if i install ubuntu, will it recognize my wifi card and my webcam ?
[09:57] <fr500> gilles, depends on hardware
[09:57] <heero1711> onthello
[09:57] <heero1711> if im using
[09:57] <heero1711> amd64
[09:57] <heero1711> what source list
[09:57] <heero1711> i need use?
[09:57] <heero1711> i dont know in where find it?
[09:57] <heero1711> i kan use the standart guide of 4.10?
[09:58] <dud> look at www.ubuntuguide.org heero1711
[09:58] <abelli> heero1711: yes
[09:58] <gilles> how are made the upgrade on ubuntu, via synaptics, aptitude and dselect ?
[09:58] <gilles> or apt-get ?
[09:58] <chris_d> Is anyone running a game server on Ubuntu?
[09:59] <chris_d> Anyone know where there's a good place to get help (on IRC) with game server issues?
[09:59] <fr500> apt-get
[09:59] <fr500> and synaptic
[09:59] <dud> chris_d, I'm pretty sure someone somewhere in the world is...
[09:59] <fr500> which kind of game server?
[09:59] <chris_d> CounterStrike
[09:59] <goldfish> chris_d: quakenet has loads of cs channels
[09:59] <goldfish> irc.quakenet.org
[09:59] <froust> what should i put as the package for it?
[09:59] <chris_d> goldfish: Thanks!
[10:00] <goldfish> np
[10:00] <dud> and google has hundreds of guides and howtos on setting up counter strike server on linux
[10:00] <goldfish> #cs-ireland!!!!!
[10:00] <fr500> chris_d i run one with wine
[10:00] <fr500> well cedega actually
[10:00] <fr500> you need some patches for the linux version
[10:00] <chris_d> dud: I've spent 3 days researching my problem with Google and others. I've found many references to the problem I'm having, but no solutions...
[10:01] <fr500> chris_d, i run a console dedicated server at home with cedega, almost zero issues, for dedicated server, probably wine runs as well
[10:01] <gilles> and how to update a new kernel... i mean, will it automatically install a newer kernel (like, for example, install you a 2.10 instead of the old 2.8) ?
[10:02] <chris_d> fr500: Sorry for being obtuse, but what is cedega?
[10:02] <dud> gilles, you can do that easily with apt
[10:02] <EndGame> cedega
[10:02] <dud> chris_d, its a windows emulator
[10:02] <EndGame> windows emulation
[10:02] <goldfish> do u have to pay for cedega?
[10:02] <gilles> dud: yes, but there's no difference with debian, right ?
[10:02] <bronson> Wow, evince is great!!  Other than a few bugs (which are forgivable -- it's brand new).
[10:02] <dud> gilles, just different repositories
[10:03] <dud> goldfish, only if you want "support"
[10:03] <chris_d> Thanks, folks!
[10:03] <sapphire> hello
[10:03] <gilles> i still can't see the differences between debian and ubuntu
[10:03] <goldfish> dud: ah right, i might give it a look, thanks
[10:03] <dud> which basically means you get access to their forums
[10:03] <sapphire> i need help,  i am new to this linux stuff,  can someone pm me please
[10:03] <Tarkus> yo, if i have the ubuntu .iso file on a cd, how do i install it on my computer, so that i can select on startup Ubuntu Linux, Windows XP??
[10:03] <goldfish> I was gonna try run cs 1.6 on wine, but from googling i got the impression it didnt work on wine
[10:03] <EndGame> sapphire, what you need?
[10:03] <dud> gilles, debian has a 3 years old 2.2.x kernel with no support for newer software
[10:04] <sapphire> i can't get connected to the internet
[10:04] <fr500> chris_d, it's a version of wine with hardware acceleration suppor
[10:04] <EndGame> irc seems to work fine :-)
[10:04] <sapphire> i installed it
[10:04] <fr500> chris_d, it's focused on games
[10:04] <jblack> dpkg seems broken for libgnomeprint-data. When I run dpkg --configure -a, dpkg sits there forever saying "setting up libgnomeprint-data (0.37-5)
[10:04] <sapphire> i am on another computer :)
[10:04] <EndGame> is net.eth0 started?
[10:04] <EndGame> and are you network settings correct
[10:04] <EndGame> check /etc/conf.d/net
[10:04] <Tarkus> yo, if i have the ubuntu .iso file on a cd, how do i install it on my computer, so that i can select on startup Ubuntu Linux, Windows XP??
[10:05] <goldfish> mount it with daemon tools?
[10:05] <goldfish> wait
[10:05] <goldfish> ignore that
[10:05] <dud> Tarkus, its generally best to have a bit of previous linux experience before trying to dual boot win xp and linux
[10:05] <fr500> Tarkus, burn it and install
[10:06] <dud> win xp is a real bitch when it comes to playing along....
[10:06] <fr500> dud, grub install just fine as defaults are mos of the times
[10:06] <dud> fr500, but not all of the time
[10:06] <fr500> right
[10:06] <goldfish> grub wouldnt install for me
[10:06] <mz2> Can't display location "sftp://..." how do i associate nautilus properly in hoary?
[10:06] <goldfish> during one install
[10:06] <mz2> in warty this worked fine
[10:09] <BrianAnthony> is there a program that anyone knows of besides k3b that can make a quick and dirty dvd data disk?
[10:09] <fr500> gnomebaker, dont know if quick or dirty fir there though
[10:10] <SeanQ> OK
[10:10] <SeanQ> Hi from win32
[10:10] <SeanQ> I'm only here because I'm working on partitions
[10:10] <SeanQ> Teh good news: I want to add 7 GB from Windows to Ubuntu
[10:10] <SeanQ> What should I use/do?
[10:10] <BrianAnthony> a match and some gasonline
[10:11] <BrianAnthony> gasoline, even =D
[10:11] <froust> Anyone know what the windows codecs for mplayer are?
[10:11] <kbrooks> i have a question.
[10:11] <kbrooks> my floppy is NOT being detected
[10:11] <kbrooks> how do i fix this
[10:12] <viper12> froust, the mplayer site has a codec pack for mplayer with instructions for where to install them. (includes the win codecs as well.)
[10:12] <froust> thanks viper.
[10:12] <viper12> notta prob. :)
[10:13] <Dr_Acemaster> man why are there so many updates w/ the latest released version, I have a fresh install and it's taking forever to update
[10:13] <Dr_Acemaster> how long has this release been out?
[10:13] <froust> i have the libavcodecs installed... no luck.
[10:13] <fr500> Dr_Acemaster, warty?
[10:14] <Dr_Acemaster> fr500 I believe it
[10:14] <fr500> next version is almost out
[10:14] <viper12> what type of file are you trying to play that is failing?
[10:15] <froust> .wmv
[10:15] <fr500> froust, apt-get install w32codec*
[10:15] <fr500> or something
[10:15] <apokryphos> Yeah. w32 codecs; follow the guide on the site for "restricted formats"
[10:15] <viper12> froust........did you download the 9meg codec pack from that site, and copy them to the right place already? -surprised.
[10:16] <Dr_Acemaster> what's a powerpc?
[10:16] <warty> any way to install grub using the livecd
[10:16] <fr500> an apple computer
[10:16] <fr500> McIntosh
[10:16] <Dr_Acemaster> ahh duh
[10:16] <fr500> i think
[10:16] <froust> i was reading the documentation, and it seems like libavcodec should work. i'll try the others tho :|
[10:16] <Dr_Acemaster> guess I just put that out of my mind since I despise apple
[10:17] <viper12> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html
[10:17] <viper12> go there froust.
[10:17] <viper12> you NEED the wmv codec in order for ANY linux player to play those win wmv files properly.
[10:18] <BrianAnthony> Dr_Acemaster: I despise you
[10:18] <froust> viper: i'm reading the readme now - just trying to find out where to unpack them
[10:19] <Dr_Acemaster> BrianAnthony why do you take it personal?
[10:19] <darkx> if my mbr gets overwritten, i can use the ubuntu cd to reinstall grub from recovery mode on the mbr right?
[10:19] <froust> could i have something to do with using amd64?
[10:19] <NeonLightning> thats what i was wondering too darkx
[10:19] <CountDown> How can I find out to which repository a package belongs?
[10:20] <NeonLightning> your talking about the livecd right darkx
[10:20] <froust> bah. i have to go to work. i'll deal with this later.. thanks though
[10:20] <viper12> Froust.......put them here:  /usr/local/lib/codecs/    and if the 'codecs' folder doesn't exist...just create it.
[10:20] <froust> okay
[10:20] <viper12> that was all it took for my system to be able to get playing em'.
[10:21] <darkx> no i have ubuntu installed, just wondering if i cant keep a windows install from touching the mbr, if i can use the recovery mode to restore it
[10:21] <Dr_Acemaster> BrianAnthony ?
[10:21] <sapphire> anyone use ubuntu?
[10:21] <SeanQ> no,
[10:21] <NeonLightning> lol
[10:21] <Spug> My keyboard is American all of a sudden, instead of Norwegian... And I can't figure out what key combination I pressed to change
[10:21] <SeanQ> we're just in #ubuntu for the hell of it
[10:21] <viper12> lol sapphire.
[10:21] <Dr_Acemaster> lmao
[10:21] <SeanQ> lmfao
[10:21] <sapphire> :(
[10:21] <SeanQ> don't worry about it
[10:21] <SeanQ> welocme!
[10:21] <SeanQ> welcome
[10:21] <SeanQ> see, i'm just as bad
[10:21] <CountDown> you've got to turn that frown upside down.
[10:22] <sapphire> what did i do?
[10:22] <SeanQ> asked if we used ubuntu
[10:22] <SeanQ> this is an ubuntu channel
[10:22] <SeanQ> we all use ubuntu
[10:22] <zyme> can anybody help me set up my networking stuff to allow me to connect to local ip address, like <IP_ADDRESS>:4012?
[10:22] <CountDown> So, anyone know how to tell to which repository a package belongs?
[10:22] <sapphire> i need help,  i can't get connected to the internet
[10:23] <sapphire> i have it installed
[10:23] <Quest-Master> Do you use dial-up or broadband?
[10:23] <sapphire> dial up
[10:24] <sapphire> 2 computers
[10:25] <froust> noob question: how to i unpack a .tar.bz2?
[10:25] <apokryphos> froust: see man tar
[10:25] <sapphire> i didn't think it would be this hard
[10:25] <encKe`> anyone here run linux on a pda?
[10:26] <Spug> I probably suck, but I can't figure out what key combination I pressed to change my keyboard layout :/
[10:26] <froust> apokryphos: i'm doing it right, afaik, but it's buggering up
[10:26] <sapphire> i installed it on my laptop on a seperate drive
[10:26] <froust> aha!
[10:26] <vaquero368> alguien habbla espaol
[10:26] <apokryphos> froust: it's tar jxf package.tar.bz2
[10:26] <Spug> tar -xjf file.tar.bz2 ?
[10:27] <froust> i missed the sudo at the beginning :P
[10:27] <fr500> vaquero368, i do
[10:27] <apokryphos> sudo isn't necessary for unpacking
[10:27] <apokryphos> unless it's in a non-home directory
[10:27] <apokryphos> or in general one you don't have access to
[10:27] <occy> anyone here know much about vnc?  I have a friend that has an Ubuntu desktop I need to get access to remotely.  They have X already running and I can ssh to their box.  I need to setup vncclient on their machine so I can access their current display.
[10:28] <fr500> vncserver
[10:28] <froust> viper12: thanks for your help.
[10:28] <fr500> occy it's not complicated at all
[10:29] <sapphire> can someone pm me and help please?
[10:29] <occy> fr500: k...
[10:29] <apokryphos> vaquero368: see #ubuntu-es
[10:29] <fr500> occy, in the computer to be managed go to Computer menu - Desktop Preferences - Remote Desktop
[10:29] <occy> fr500: I'm sure I need to run some vncserver command or something.
[10:30] <fr500> there you can enable the server and set the password
[10:30] <fr500> then at the other pc you connect to the server by running the vncviewer command
[10:30] <fr500> there you enter the ip address and the password
[10:30] <fr500> nothing else nothing more
[10:30] <occy> okies :)
[10:30] <fr500> np
[10:32] <Dr_Acemaster> if I did the auto format when installin ubuntu, how does that usually configure the partitions?
[10:33] <Dr_Acemaster> ie 45% os, 45% home, 10% swap?
[10:33] <fr500> i think does an ext3 partition and a swap partition
[10:33] <Dr_Acemaster> that's it?
[10:33] <fr500> i think
[10:34] <Dr_Acemaster> no home partition
[10:34] <Dr_Acemaster> chit
[10:34] <fr500> by default it sets homes in the main partition
[10:34] <Dr_Acemaster> I'll prob have to do this whole thing over again
[10:34] <fr500> but it asks for you
[10:34] <NeonLightning> it all depends on how you do auto partition
[10:34] <NeonLightning> both are true
[10:34] <sapphire> i did the partition
[10:34] <Dr_Acemaster> well it said do you want to do auto, if so you can change later if you want
[10:34] <Dr_Acemaster> but never asked mea gain
[10:34] <Dr_Acemaster> unless I missed it, which is probably the case
[10:34] <Dr_Acemaster> I don't know how I missed it though
[10:35] <NeonLightning> any way to install grub using the livecd? .......anyone?
[10:35] <vaquero368> bye bye
[10:37] <EndGame> yeah
[10:37] <EndGame> boot to the livecd
[10:37] <msumu> hi endgame
[10:37] <EndGame> mount your root partition at /mnt/hippie, or whatever
[10:37] <EndGame> chroot into your hdd
[10:38] <EndGame> chroot /mnt/hippie /bin/bash
[10:38] <EndGame> env-update
[10:38] <EndGame> install grub,
[10:38] <EndGame> in gentoo, it would be emerge grub
[10:38] <EndGame> i dont know how your hippie os does it :-)
[10:38] <msumu> hey people
[10:38] <EndGame> then just run grub
[10:38] <EndGame> in grub type
[10:38] <EndGame> root(hd0)
[10:38] <EndGame> setup
[10:38] <EndGame> quit
[10:38] <EndGame> and you're done
[10:38] <trust> Hi there!
[10:39] <EndGame> then edit /boot/grub/grub.conf
[10:39] <NeonLightning> using apt-get witch i can't do unless i have the os installed witch it isn't(it screwed up when i was reinstalling)
[10:39] <EndGame> to your liking
[10:39] <msumu> how can i make xvid movies with this ubuntu ?
[10:39] <msumu> how can i make xvid movies with this ubuntu ?
[10:39] <msumu> how can i make xvid movies with this ubuntu ?
[10:40] <EndGame> msumu, ask a few more times, and you may get an answer
[10:40] <msumu> again ?
[10:40] <NeonLightning> lol
[10:40] <zyme> hahaha
[10:40] <zyme> again!
[10:41] <msumu> ok
[10:41] <msumu> how can i make xvid movies with this ubuntu ?
[10:41] <msumu> how can i make xvid movies with this ubuntu ?
[10:41] <zyme> that was too many
[10:41] <msumu> is that enough ?
[10:41] <EndGame> that was too many
[10:41] <msumu> lol
[10:41] <NeonLightning> meh i'll just try reinstalling another 5 times i may get it right one of these times if all else fails i'll just go with a mandrake powerpack install
[10:41] <EndGame> leave the channel, and rejoin
[10:41] <EndGame> and ask again
[10:41] <EndGame> NeonLightning: install gentoo!
[10:41] <NeonLightning> i have no cd's left
[10:41] <msumu> ok one more time (for brithney fans)
[10:42] <NeonLightning> ahh well o
[10:42] <EndGame> NeonLightning: get some
[10:42] <EndGame> itll be worth it
[10:42] <EndGame> gentoo Doesnt Just Work(tm)
[10:42] <NeonLightning> buy me some i have 16 cents sitting on my counter thats all the money i have
[10:42] <msumu> how can i make xvid movies with this ubuntu ?
[10:42] <EndGame> msumu you didnt leave and rejoint
[10:43] <EndGame> that doesnt count
[10:43] <EndGame> on the server im from being an asshole is how you get places :-)
[10:43] <EndGame> msumu, you'll need an encoder
[10:44] <EndGame> thats all the advice i have on that,
[10:44] <NeonLightning> ahh well i'm off to try and install (yet again)
[10:45] <EndGame> if ubuntu just works, why is old NeonLightning installing it again :-)
[10:45] <zyme> can anybody help me set up my networking stuff to allow me to connect to local ip address, like <IP_ADDRESS>:4012?
[10:45] <EndGame> whats wrong with it, zyme
[10:46] <EndGame> are all the boxes on the same subnet?
[10:46] <EndGame> is the power plugged in
[10:46] <EndGame> can you ping them?
[10:46] <zyme> i cant ping them
[10:46] <zyme> when i try it just doesnt do anything at all
[10:46] <EndGame> add the boxes to /etc/hosts
     <box name>
[10:47] <EndGame> it cant resolve the name
[10:47] <EndGame> i assume
[10:47] <zyme> is the box name special or can i just make it anything i want?
[10:47] <msumu> yep i did it
[10:47] <EndGame> it should be whatever the hostname is on the other computers
[10:47] <zyme> what i dont know?
[10:47] <msumu> i got "mencoder"
[10:48] <msumu> and mplayer
[10:48] <msumu> whut do i need more
[10:48] <EndGame> type hostname into each of the other boxes
[10:48] <EndGame> and ifconfig
[10:48] <EndGame> note the hostname and ip address
[10:48] <EndGame> unless you're using dhcp
[10:48] <EndGame> then....
[10:48] <EndGame> then i dont know
[10:48] <zyme> i am using dhcp
[10:48] <zyme> heh
[10:48] <EndGame> um
[10:48] <EndGame> see if your router supports static dhcp
[10:49] <EndGame> assign the same ip to a computer based on its mac address
[10:49] <zyme> i dont have a router
[10:49] <EndGame> wtf
[10:49] <EndGame> how are your computer wired together
[10:49] <zyme> ah
[10:49] <zyme> i may have given the wrong idea
[10:49] <zyme> im connected to a college network
[10:49] <EndGame> oh
[10:50] <EndGame> and you want to get into somebody elses computer
[10:50] <msumu> how can i make xvid movies with this ubuntu ?
[10:50] <EndGame> but you cant even ping it
[10:50] <zyme> im just plugged into the wall, and all the other computers plugged into the wall can connect to each other using their private ips, all of which start with 10.*
[10:50] <zyme> yeah
[10:50] <trust> msumu, I have no idea
[10:50] <EndGame> do a tracepath on yahoo.com and google.com
[10:50] <EndGame> note any address that start with 10.*
[10:50] <EndGame> download nmap
[10:50] <msumu> you mean it ?
[10:50] <EndGame> :-)
[10:50] <trust> msumu, Yeah
[10:50] <EndGame> now this is my area
[10:51] <msumu> how can I trust you
[10:51] <msumu> ?
[10:51] <zyme> ok...what is nmap?
[10:51] <mseney> in regards to synaptic and apt-get, today the system notification icon didn't apear stating there were updates available, however when I ran $sudo apt-get update and then $sudo apt-get upgrade I had updates to install, why didn't I get a system notification?
[10:51] <trust> zyme, I know it may sound silly, but does your IP start with 10.*?
[10:51] <Lee__> nmap is rad
[10:51] <EndGame> a port scanner
[10:51] <trust> msumu, you can't.
[10:51] <EndGame> yeah
[10:51] <EndGame> trust
[10:51] <zyme> trust: i have a private ip and a public ip
[10:51] <EndGame> it does
[10:51] <Lee__> nmap -sS -O ip.address
[10:51] <trust> thought it did
[10:52] <EndGame> he'll have to use -P0
[10:52] <EndGame> he cant ping any other host
[10:52] <msumu> trust : are you confused dude ?
[10:52] <trust> msumu, no
[10:52] <trust> msumu, just insane.
[10:52] <EndGame> actually zyme: download netcat while you're at it
[10:52] <zyme> lol ok
[10:52] <EndGame> what college you go to
[10:52] <EndGame> alot are pretty harsh about hax0ring
[10:52] <EndGame> er
[10:52] <EndGame> all are, actually
[10:52] <zyme> south dakota school of mines and technology
[10:53] <zyme> i can connect fine with a windows machine
[10:53] <trust> zomg the l33t h4x0r =(
[10:53] <EndGame> ah
[10:53] <EndGame> like
[10:53] <msumu> this time I trust you
[10:53] <zyme> im pretty sure it isnt against the rules
[10:53] <EndGame> file shares?
[10:53] <zyme> yeah
[10:53] <EndGame> install samba
[10:53] <zyme> its just a direct connect hub
[10:53] <trust> msumu, silly you
[10:53] <EndGame> and samba client
[10:53] <EndGame> :-)
[10:53] <zyme> samba!
[10:53] <zyme> ok
[10:53] <mz2> hmm, i managed to screw up my Firefox. when i try installing it, i get "mv: cannot stat `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults.ini': No such file or directory"
[10:53] <msumu> you stinky ass brit
[10:53] <mz2> that's when it tries updating the chrome registry
[10:53] <mz2> is there a way of doing that manually
[10:54] <EndGame> do you know the hostname of the computer you're trying to connect to, zyme?
[10:54] <zyme> no
[10:54] <zyme> i dont think i need to though
[10:54] <zyme> unless windows magically knew somehow
[10:54] <msumu> trust : you tea pissing brit!
[10:54] <zyme> i know the port though
[10:55] <zyme> :/
[10:55] <msumu> get my leg tru ya face
[10:55] <trust> msumu, wow
[10:55] <trust> msumu, how obvious
[10:55] <EndGame> actually
[10:55] <cybrjackle> anyone know what gcc -v array-5 was spun with?
[10:55] <EndGame> you probly just need samba and cifs support built into your kernel
[10:55] <trust> you could've at least come up with a decent insult =(
[10:55] <Dr_Acemaster> when I installed ubuntu it never asked for root pass, how come?
[10:55] <msumu> you brit 4 real dude ?
[10:55] <Dr_Acemaster> where do I set it at?
[10:55] <trust> uh
[10:55] <trust> Yeah O_o
[10:56] <zyme> ok
[10:56] <msumu> there is no root w/ ubuntu
[10:56] <zyme> i can probably figure the samba stuff out since there is a guide for it
[10:56] <Dr_Acemaster> there is no root? hmm...
[10:56] <Dr_Acemaster> why not?
[10:56] <msumu> yes
[10:56] <Spug> sudo all the way, baby
[10:56] <zyme> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/account/whatsmypubip.php is supposed to tell me my ip information, but i cant connect to it, for example
[10:56] <msumu> because this is a friendly....
[10:57] <msumu> dr_acemaster : if you asked for password just give the one &only you set
[11:00] <encKe`> man my soundblaster live sounds like crapola!
[11:00] <mjr> encKe`, try lowering the pcm volume a bit if it's full
[11:01] <mseney> is it possible to get ubuntu to playback music w/ the same quality as Windows. For example I played streaming radio from both my Windows system and my Ubuntu system from the same radio channel w/ the same speakers but the windows box sounds much better?
[11:02] <mseney> could this be because Realplayer for Linux doesn't have an EQ ?
[11:02] <compmanio36> mseney, what do you have for sound card?
[11:02] <msumu> Dr_icemaster : http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php?s=6c1291b9b1b85c1143e67c5c4016b4f4&
[11:02] <mjr> can't know about realplayer, but linux doesn't inherently make audio sound bad...
[11:03] <mseney> compmanio36, um the ubuntu machine has a built in AC97 and the other a cheap PCI ESS Allegro
[11:03] <mseney> compmanio36, VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 20)
[11:04] <mseney> i was trying to show off linux to my girlfriend but failed w/ that one
[11:04] <compmanio36> integrated AC97s arent that great, but shouldnt be too bad
[11:05] <mseney> compmanio36, does one really need to buy a decent sound card to get really nice sound?
[11:05] <mseney> or is it more dependant on the speaker system?
[11:05] <compmanio36> it is more based on your speakers
[11:06] <compmanio36> cause the biggest problems with integrated or cheap sound cards is that the higher up in volume you go, the tinnier and more distorted the sound gets
[11:06] <mseney> I bought a Logitech 2.1 system 32Watts RMS they sound excellent, i really want to get the same sound from plugging them into my linxu box
[11:06] <compmanio36> it's weird, I have a SoundMax card in Windows, but dual boot to Ubuntu and it comes up as an AC97
[11:06] <compmanio36> the soundmax drivers sound better
[11:07] <compmanio36> but I can keep my volume about halfway and crank my speakers, cause I have an Altec-Lansing spkr/sub set
[11:07] <mseney> so to fix this problem maybe i need a better sound card that linux has decent drivers built into the kernel?
[11:08] <compmanio36> you've got a sub set on your linux box?
[11:08] <compmanio36> good spkrs anyway
[11:08] <mseney> i used the same 2.1 setup, 2 satellites and 1 sub
[11:09] <mseney> and it sounds way better on the windows machine
[11:09] <Odin2347> Hi
[11:09] <compmanio36> yeah, don't crank up the sound on your mixer, keep it down and crank the volume manually on the speakers
[11:09] <mseney> i'll have to try it again later
[11:10] <unnameablePLAYER> i run mine out thru my wireless headphones and a full fledged 160W 5 speaker suurrond sound boombox that was useless cause the CD was broken, but has found new life and meaning
[11:10] <mseney> i should try using xmms and a CD so i can play w/ a EQ
[11:10] <mseney> unnameablePLAYER, nice!
[11:10] <mseney> is xmms pretty much what everyone uses on ubuntu for playing cd's, mp3, ogg's, etc..??
[11:10] <Odin2347> hi
[11:10] <unnameablePLAYER> yes first time I have every come close to leveraging all them mp3s
[11:11] <compmanio36> for the most part
[11:11] <EndGame> xmms = the goodness
[11:11] <unnameablePLAYER> xmms, rhtymbox, xine, juk mpd amarok
[11:11] <compmanio36> i use the music player sometimes, just cause I can min it to the tray
[11:11] <cg0def> mseney: if you use gnome you'd probably like beep-media-player better
[11:11] <compmanio36> but I don't like it's layout at all
[11:11] <unnameablePLAYER> amarok will be nice once it get stable
[11:12] <EndGame> Odin2347: look into gentoo
[11:12] <EndGame> its more satisfying
[11:12] <EndGame> :-)
[11:12] <mseney> cg0def, yeah i use gnome now.
[11:12] <mseney> cg0def, ubuntu converted me back to it
[11:12] <Odin2347> ahhh...satanic texts running across the screen of my computer for 2 days....*shudders*
[11:12] <apokryphos> unnameablePLAYER: It's very nice now ;-), and pretty stable. CVS now is probably more stable than the 1.2
[11:12] <compmanio36> LOL
[11:12] <Dr_Acemaster> you guys know of a screensaver for linux like the aquarium for winxp?
[11:12] <Odin2347> lol
[11:12] <apokryphos> unstable means developement -- good sign ;-)
[11:12] <cg0def> mseney: well I still like debian better
[11:13] <compmanio36> why would you crawl back to Gates's feet?
[11:13] <cg0def> mseney: the new gnome kinda syx in some places
[11:13] <EndGame> Dr_Acemaster: emerge xscreensaver
[11:13] <Odin2347> is ubuntu a livecd?
[11:13] <cg0def> mseney: like the applications menu
[11:13] <EndGame> theres an aquerium in there somewhere
[11:13] <apokryphos> Odin2347: Ubuntu is a very good distro to start with
[11:13] <compmanio36> linux is a bit harder, but well worth it in terms of freedom and ability to customise
[11:13] <Lee__> I'm looking for a wireless network browser in Gnome. looks like it's still in development.
[11:13] <mseney> brb
[11:13] <apokryphos> Odin2347: There is one, but there is also a proper distro.
[11:13] <compmanio36> Ubuntu is the first distro I have liked
[11:13] <unnameablePLAYER> yes ubuntu is great for getting started
[11:13] <Lee__> kismet is cool but hard to recomend to others
[11:13] <Odin2347> i'm looking for a distro with good hardware support
[11:14] <Odin2347> i haven't found a distro that detects my wireless card yet
[11:14] <Lee__> Odin2347: what's the card?
[11:14] <compmanio36> I tried Mandrake 9.1 back when, and I hated it, nothing worked right
[11:14] <jacquesmerde> what combinations and permutations of upgrades and dist-upgrades do hoary users here use to keep their systems up to date?
[11:14] <compmanio36> Centrino?
[11:14] <Odin2347> dlink dwl g520
[11:14] <searcher`> unnameablePLAYER: i'm not a starter, but i like ubuntu anyways ;-)
[11:14] <apokryphos> Odin2347: Try Ubuntu; hardware support seems pretty good.
[11:14] <Odin2347> even with kanotix that has madwifi it doesn't work
[11:14] <unnameablePLAYER> rpm distros just dont work in the long run, at least not in my experience
[11:14] <compmanio36> Ubuntu doesn't recognize my Lexmark x4270 all-in-one bada$$ printer
[11:14] <Lee__> check that chipset, it might not have open source drivers. Some cards need a proprietary firmware wrapper.
[11:15] <searcher`> Odin2347: not all wireless cards are supported, you could try looking at ndiswrapper
[11:15] <apokryphos> unnameablePLAYER: What "doesn't work" about them?
[11:15] <unnameablePLAYER> apokryphos, they stop working right...
[11:15] <Odin2347> i know
[11:15] <Dr_Acemaster> there's an xfishtank that is grayed out in the list of screensavers, how do I install taht?
[11:15] <Odin2347> ndiswrapper doesn't work either
[11:15] <Odin2347> i've tried
[11:15] <compmanio36> that and gaming is the only reason I keep windows around
[11:15] <msumu> trust ?
[11:15] <unnameablePLAYER> it didn't take long for fedora3 to start getting dependecy probs
[11:15] <apokryphos> unnameablePLAYER: Erm, well, I'm quite sure that's not the norm. I used Mandrake and Fedora and tried out SuSE briefly, and never had problems with RPMs.
[11:16] <Lee__> you may be SOL. some cards have Windows only drivers but do some reading on google before you return it.
[11:16] <compmanio36> but I have found Lexmark and M$ are in cahoots together
[11:16] <unnameablePLAYER> which i havent had yet with ubuntu
[11:16] <cg0def> ndiswraper DOES work but it's a pain to get it working
[11:16] <Lee__> compmanio36: http://www.transgaming.com
[11:16] <compmanio36> yeah, cedega, I know
[11:16] <compmanio36> never been able to get it to work though
[11:16] <apokryphos> unnameablePLAYER: Oh, sure. Ubuntu has far better repos, imo. That debian backbone.
[11:16] <Lee__> with nvidia or ATI drivers it's all point and click.
[11:16] <mez> anyone around to help me out?
[11:17] <AbyX> hey why cant i do this? dpkg --force-overwrite fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb
[11:17] <Odin2347> does ubuntu have a hardware list
[11:17] <Lee__> the radeon driver with xfree is lame though.
[11:17] <Odin2347> i'd like to see if my wireless card/soundcard are on it
[11:17] <msumu> trust are u there dude ?
[11:17] <jacquesmerde> what combinations and permutations of upgrades and dist-upgrades do hoary users here use to keep their systems up to date?
[11:17] <Lee__> Odin2347: Linux has a hardware list.
[11:17] <unnameablePLAYER> i found a linux unsupported hardware wiki that might come in handy, if I can find the link
[11:18] <cg0def> Odin2347: hardware list for ubuntu are you nuts?
[11:18] <Odin2347> ??
[11:18] <compmanio36> someone offered me a ATI 9700 Pro for $75, but I turned him down just cause of the crappy support by ATI for Linux AND Windoze
[11:18] <cg0def> Odin2347: all that is the same for all linux distros
[11:18] <Odin2347> most distros have a hardware database
[11:18] <cg0def> Odin2347: the drivers in linux are kept in the kernel
[11:18] <Dr_Acemaster> fresh install of ubuntu here, how come the fonts are harder to read, especially in xchat? ie they're not clear like in windows
[11:18] <Odin2347> uhh how come my soundard only works on some distros then
[11:18] <compmanio36> I like my nVidia GeForce 3 Ti
[11:19] <mez> Hi - Just installed ubuntu - and dont know how to get my sound card working
[11:19] <compmanio36> different kernels Odin
[11:19] <Dr_Acemaster> compmanio36: that's what I have :)
[11:19] <Odin2347> is ubuntu KDE?
[11:19] <Lee__> Odin2347: the only way a distro would have different hardware support is if they have a custom kernel. hardware support is in the kernel.
[11:19] <compmanio36> every game I have runs on it
[11:19] <Odin2347> ahh
[11:19] <Riddell> Odin2347: not yet
[11:19] <compmanio36> no Ubuntu is Gnome
[11:19] <unnameablePLAYER> http://www.leenooks.com/
[11:19] <Odin2347> ew
[11:19] <cg0def> Odin2347: your sound card is most likelly supported but if you need to be sure look at alsa's site the wireless probably would need a lot of configuration and might not really work
[11:19] <Odin2347> i hate gnome
[11:19] <apokryphos> Odin2347: The primary desktop environment is Gnome, but you can have KDE on it too.
[11:19] <compmanio36> I love it
[11:19] <compmanio36> hate HATE KDE
[11:19] <Odin2347> ahh
[11:19] <unnameablePLAYER> leenooks is the unsupported hardware
[11:19] <Lee__> then install Debian Sarge and run KDE.
[11:20] <compmanio36> was a lot of the cause of my bad experience with Mandrake
[11:20] <unnameablePLAYER> kde keeps getting better and better :)
[11:20] <apokryphos> Odin2347: I run KDE; it's pretty smooth. KDE 3.4 is going to get ported in the repos soon.
[11:20] <cg0def> Lee_: the only reason why you would want to use sarge is if you have a server
[11:20] <compmanio36> just don't like it, looks too unpolished, I have to hunt around for the simplist things
[11:20] <Lee__> cg0def: then why is my desktop system running Sarge?
[11:20] <unnameablePLAYER> kde has about a gazillion options
[11:20] <Odin2347> yea
[11:20] <cg0def> Lee__: well that's your problem
[11:20] <compmanio36> Gnome, everything is right there, streamlined, looks professional and not cluttered
[11:21] <Lee__> hasn't been a problem
[11:21] <Lee__> I don't get it?
[11:21] <mseney> cg0def, im not setup to the universe. so i can't apt-get it. if i setup to the universe doesn't that mean i won't get security updates for programs i get from it?
[11:21] <trust> msumu, sorry, I wasn't
[11:21] <mseney> cg0def, in regards to that media player
[11:21] <apokryphos> Things such as "cluttered" and "crammed" and "unnecessary options" are a matter of different scope and largely subjective.
[11:21] <Pyre> ACTION coughs
[11:21] <compmanio36> true
[11:21] <apokryphos> I don't think KDE is for everyone, and obviously neither is Gnome best suited to everyone
[11:21] <unnameablePLAYER> the only thing I absolutely have against KDE is artsd
[11:21] <Lee__> unnameablePLAYER: you can turn that off
[11:21] <unnameablePLAYER> other than that I prefer kde for the most part
[11:22] <Lee__> I'm fond of the KDE GPG front end.
[11:22] <trust> I prefer kde to gnome =(
[11:22] <apokryphos> unnameablePLAYER: it's actually officially unmaintained now.
[11:22] <unnameablePLAYER> Lee__, not tottally
[11:22] <cg0def> mseney: I am not really sure where the player was but if you add universe I don't think there are any security updates for it
[11:22] <Odin2347> wow according to this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards my wireless card should work out of the box
[11:22] <unnameablePLAYER> artsd still finds ways to rear its ugly soundcard hogging head
[11:22] <apokryphos> hehe
[11:22] <compmanio36> I like Gnome cause I am an orderly person, other people like KDE for various reasons, but ppl like me that haven't been with Linux for that long find too many options and components confusing, so KISS is my motto for right nw
[11:22] <mseney> cg0def, yeah i think i'll pass on that then.
[11:22] <cg0def> mseney: but you don't really need security updates for pkg from universe as long as you update the versions
[11:23] <cg0def> for one you are never going to get security updates for xmms
[11:23] <unnameablePLAYER> this has happened with ubuntu a few times as well, with esd
[11:23] <Lee__> I'm just sore wifi browsing doesn't have a Gnome front end.
[11:23] <compmanio36> and I have had no problems in adding things to Ubuntu so far
[11:23] <mseney> cg0def, why not any for xmms?
[11:23] <cg0def> the security updates deal mostly with your core componets
[11:23] <unnameablePLAYER> there should be a whole nother wrapper watches the sound card and protects it
[11:23] <mseney> oh
[11:23] <Lee__> unnameablePLAYER: you mess with JACK at all?
[11:23] <OmniColos> I would like to have eap-ttls for wifi on ppc ubuntu
[11:23] <unnameablePLAYER> i never wanna trype killall anything to get my sound working again
[11:24] <Odin2347> woohoo my wireless card might work
[11:24] <compmanio36> like Windows Update won't update your RealPlayer, but just system components
[11:24] <unnameablePLAYER> OmniColos, i never got far with it
[11:24] <cg0def> mseney:plus bmp is based on xmms and if there is a vulnarability in xmms and it gets fixed it will be fixed for bmp too
[11:24] <Slackman> hey guys, does anyone build hoary iso's here?
[11:24] <heero1711> hello
[11:24] <msumu> trust : could tell on some soft that 'd make divx in ubuntu
[11:24] <unnameablePLAYER> i dont understand jack, really and what it does
[11:24] <msumu> ?
[11:24] <mseney> cg0def, k thanks.
[11:24] <heero1711> ubuntu have a different
[11:24] <mseney> brb going to install it
[11:24] <heero1711> source.list
[11:24] <heero1711> for amd 64?
[11:24] <Lee__> jack is a sound server, like artsd, but it works good  :)
[11:24] <unnameablePLAYER> beep is a gui for xmms, then?
[11:24] <trust> msumu, you asking if I know of any?
[11:25] <OmniColos> unnameablePLAYER yeah I tired wap_supplicant but it does not seem to support airport, and xsupplicant is beyond my ability to configure
[11:25] <Lee__> and supports interapplication patching. it's a bit complicated but really neat if you work with a lot of audio programs.
[11:25] <cg0def> not exactly BMP is a fork of xmms
[11:25] <heero1711> anyone whatis the source.list for amd64
[11:25] <heero1711> ?
[11:25] <cg0def> right now BMP still uses the same engine as xmms but eventually they will switch to gstreamer (if I am not mistaken) because it is better
[11:26] <msumu> trust : yes i am asking if you got one that works
[11:26] <will_> ah! where is the mod(something) that i add for example 'apm to?
[11:26] <trust> msumu, I haven't =(
[11:26] <will_> sorry 'apm'
[11:26] <will_> BMP rules
[11:27] <unnameablePLAYER> it would be nice to see more concentration upon a single framework all apps can use easily
[11:27] <NOVA> hi
[11:27] <unnameablePLAYER> then its just who can write the best gui/plugin system
[11:27] <Dr_Acemaster> anyone here using firefox and have shockwave installed?
[11:27] <cg0def> unnameablePLAYER: what do you mean?
[11:27] <NOVA> any can give a source.list for amd64
[11:27] <unnameablePLAYER> cg0def, ie, gstreamer
[11:27] <unnameablePLAYER> shockwave dont work on linux
[11:28] <unnameablePLAYER> afaik
[11:28] <Dr_Acemaster> no chit
[11:28] <Dr_Acemaster> hmm...
[11:28] <apokryphos> You can still get the plugin for it; see the Firefox FAQ.
[11:28] <cg0def> well shockwave is commercial and Macromedia is slacking really bad
[11:28] <Nekohayo> quick question: is there a way to tell rsync to exclude hidden files?
[11:28] <apokryphos> Don't remember how to do it; been a long time since I used it.
[11:28] <Ominus> how can i install as USRobotics 5610 FaxModem PCI?
[11:28] <cg0def> no support for 64bit wtf
[11:28] <unnameablePLAYER> i think macromedia bought if from some other company and there are liscencing issues
[11:29] <will_> ok, found what i was looking for: /etc/modules
[11:29] <crimsun> NOVA: for warty or hoary?
[11:29] <cg0def> unnameablePLAYER: as far as gstreamer goes it is nice but still hasn't reached 1.0 so it's not exactly stable. But I still like it a lot
[11:29] <NOVA> for warty
[11:29] <NOVA> crimsun, por warty, please
[11:30] <tomaraya> hello
[11:30] <unnameablePLAYER> it seems to be a pain to configure too
[11:30] <crimsun> NOVA: join #flood
[11:30] <cblack> hrm. anyone familiar with htaccess rewrite rules? rather than just doing a deny from <ip> i want to send that IP to a different page on the site.
[11:30] <mez> hmm hoe do i make the default medai playe play MP3s>?
[11:30] <apokryphos> or better just use a pastebin service, like www.pastebin.com
[11:31] <apokryphos> Mez: you want to change the default mp3 player, or play mp3s?
[11:31] <Mez> just play mp3s :D
[11:31] <Mez> to test that my soundcard is right :D
[11:31] <unnameablePLAYER> now that is annoying... the install should automatically take car of all them stupid codecs... yes i know licsense issues
[11:31] <apokryphos> Mez: You can either (i) install an mp3 player like amaroK, or (ii) get the codecs.
[11:32] <compmanio36> yeah, that is the only thing that gets me about Ubuntu
[11:32] <pam> crimsun, sources.list for amd64?
[11:32] <Lee__> cool, Novell is developing the gnome wireless switcher  http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?wselect
[11:32] <unnameablePLAYER> maybe have one package you could install that would take care of all that 3rd party stuff like divx, java, flash, etc
[11:32] <compmanio36> not ready out of the box when it is supposed to be "the" Linux for everyone
[11:32] <Lee__> unnameablePLAYER: you should talk to the codec developers about that.
[11:32] <apokryphos> Mez: if the mp3s aren't playing you need the codecs
[11:32] <jakejarvis|away> question: what's the equivalent to windows "ipconfig" in ubuntu
[11:32] <unnameablePLAYER> ifconfig
[11:32] <jakejarvis|away> lol thanks!
[11:32] <Lee__> jakejarvis|away: ifconfig -a
[11:32] <apokryphos> Mez: follow this guide:
[11:33] <apokryphos> %tell Mez ubusources
[11:33] <Pyre> Mez: http://youmortals.com/stuff/sources.list
[11:33] <Mez> they're playing ow with XMMS
[11:33] <compmanio36> you have to go around messing with config files to get the correct repositories, then get all your packages, etc etc
[11:33] <unnameablePLAYER> yes, MS had to change the spelling of all those old unix apps
[11:33] <Lee__> compmanio36: did you buy Ubuntu in a box?
[11:33] <Ominus> how can i install as USRobotics 5610 FaxModem PCI?
[11:33] <apokryphos> Mez: oh, ok, cool.
[11:33] <Dr_Acemaster> so when installin anything, you don't ahve to be root, since there is no root in ubuntu?
[11:33] <compmanio36> no, but that is how they tote it
[11:33] <Mez> now - a couple of other things
[11:33] <Lee__> Ithough there might be a boxed version out there. that'd be cool
[11:33] <crimsun> pam: have you joined #flood?
[11:33] <unnameablePLAYER> no you have to sudo
[11:33] <Mez> 1) will Ubuntu work with my USB sondcard (well - headset)
[11:34] <crimsun> Mez: yes
[11:34] <Mez> and 2) on the livcd it recognised my NTFS partitions - I assume I'm going to have to edit the default install to get it ro pick up thiose (please dont make me recompile the kernel)
[11:34] <compmanio36> I mean, I can and DID do everything to get my system the way I want it, but if they are going to tote it as a Linux for beginners, beginners and grandparents dont want to have to mess around with config files and root commands and all that other BS
[11:34] <unnameablePLAYER> the sudo thing is a really novel idea, at least to me
[11:34] <nan> Ominus: you have to go to the Computer | System Configuration | Network menu and add your setup
[11:35] <unnameablePLAYER> yeah and nautilus should at least ask for passwords, users when feeling out CIFS
[11:35] <Lee__> you can even add the NOPASSWD: ALL to the sudoers file and you don't need a passsword!
[11:35] <compmanio36> they just want it to WORK, out of the box, and THAT is why so many people that aren't geeks or nerds, whatever you call them, stick with Windows, cause like it or not, it just WORKS (at least for a while) out of the box
[11:35] <Ominus> nan, sure... but it's not recognizing...
[11:35] <OmniColos> is there someone who knows how to setup eap-ttls on ibook/airport?
[11:36] <Lee__> compmanio36: then your grandparents should use a more simplified commercial OS.
[11:36] <Lee__> one that's more like an appliance than a personal computer.
[11:36] <schasi> compmanio36: ack. same with me, as linux seems to hate me or i am just too dumb
[11:36] <Nekohayo> hmm, is there a way to tell rsync to exclude hidden files? (I've read the fine manual numerous times)
[11:36] <unnameablePLAYER> your grandmother probably wont be bitching about not being able to play mp3s tho
[11:36] <nan> Ominus: you might have a driver problem then.  That problem is above my pay grade unfortunately.
[11:36] <compmanio36> it has nothing to do with being dumb, just your comfort level with computers
[11:36] <Lee__> probably not
[11:37] <compmanio36> I am not saying Ubuntu is bad, in fact it is the best distro out there right now, I think, but I think it has a ways to go until it can truly be called "the linux for everyone"
[11:37] <Tomcat_> Agreed. :o
[11:38] <Ominus> nan, i see... that's the problem.. but i already got the drivers from USRobotics website.. and still don't work
[11:38] <apokryphos> There will never be a Linux for everyone ;-)
[11:38] <unnameablePLAYER> its a mighty big step in the right direction, I grant them that
[11:38] <compmanio36> and sure my grandmother will, when she clicks on a link on her country music website and she calls me up saying it won't play
[11:38] <Lee__> then buy her Windows XP media center addition and promise to come over when she opens that next email worm.
[11:39] <Lee__> or find a commercial OS that's embedded and not based on wither Linux OR Windows.
[11:39] <Nekohayo> or to call microsh... to activate it
[11:39] <compmanio36> where do you think I get most of my business from? :)
[11:39] <Tomcat_> The problem is that there currently is no OS for everyone... :I
[11:39] <Nekohayo> mac os?
[11:39] <unnameablePLAYER> the main thing I miss is being able to watch video clips that stream out of those stupid popup boxes that want REAL or wmp active x controls
[11:39] <trust> Lee__, a bsd?
[11:39] <Ominus> anyone can help me installin an USRobotics WinModem?
[11:39] <Lee__> OS X isn't bad. Cheaper than Windows.
[11:39] <apokryphos> There never will be an OS for everyone.  Ubuntu can't recognize my modem...
[11:42] <Nekohayo> ... no one's comfortable with rsync out there? o_o
[11:42] <unnameablePLAYER> tv card might need xawtv
[11:43] <compmanio36> ooh, speaking of modems, how would one go about dialing into an ISP using Ubuntu....right now I have broadband, but since I have no job, I may end up getting low-cost dialup *shivers*
[11:43] <unnameablePLAYER> compmanio36, dont do that...
[11:43] <Mez> root@apathy:/media/hd0 # apt-get install xawtv
[11:43] <Mez> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:43] <Mez> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:43] <Mez> E: Couldn't find package xawtv
[11:43] <compmanio36> well.......not like I have much choice
[11:44] <unnameablePLAYER> sell plasma :)
[11:44] <sacha__> hi
[11:44] <compmanio36> can't afford $45/mon for brdbnd
[11:44] <compmanio36> LOL
[11:44] <compmanio36> can't
[11:44] <compmanio36> can't donate blood at least
[11:44] <compmanio36> so I think plasma is out too
[11:44] <Mez> any ideas for any of those 3?
[11:44] <Mez> hmm
[11:45] <sacha__> i was just wondering why my ubuntu (hoary) uses up 300mb ram and 5% cpu when it is idle?
[11:45] <compmanio36> I have seen it is the X server mostly
[11:45] <compmanio36> mine uses 20% at idle and it is all the X server or some unknown process that doesn't show up in the list
[11:46] <compmanio36> and I use only 200mb RAM @ idle, but still.....
[11:46] <sacha__> still 200 is alot
[11:46] <compmanio36> luckily I have a gig of RDRAM in this thing
[11:46] <sacha__> i don't have xserver running
[11:47] <compmanio36> you aren't running Gnome?
[11:47] <kent> I know its a bit off topic, but can some one who uses windows at the moment send me a screenshot of the startmenu? I want to have a look at how the icon looks like on the panel for the start menu.
[11:47] <sacha__> and all the processes in the window report 0% cpu
[11:47] <sacha__> well xserver isn't there
[11:47] <compmanio36> yeah, same here
[11:47] <compmanio36> X........somehting
[11:47] <zenrox> kent go look at diviantart.com
[11:47] <Odin2347> has anyone here had any good experiences with wireless and ubuntu?
[11:47] <compmanio36> can't remember what it says on the list
[11:47] <zenrox> deviantart.com
[11:48] <sacha__> wireless what?
[11:48] <compmanio36> LOL, "good" experiences
[11:48] <Odin2347> yea
[11:48] <Odin2347> wireless cards..
[11:48] <sacha__> naa i just have the wireless router on this comp
[11:48] <Odin2347> ah
[11:50] <Steppenwolf> Quick question:  For the latest release, what file systems are supported by the installer?
[11:50] <kaos> just hook it up to the ethernet port then go to Computer>System Configuration>Networking on panel
[11:50] <kaos> add connection
[11:50] <Odin2347> my wireless card is on the hardware database as "works out of the box"
[11:51] <kent> zenrox, ok, thanks
[11:52] <kaos> click on 'add' forward then click on ethernet and then next
[11:52] <Mez> anyone know how toinstal xawtv quickly?>
[11:52] <Mez> cant seem to find it on apt
[11:53] <kaos> no you click on wireless thyen next
[11:53] <Odin2347> hmm
[11:53] <Odin2347> ok
[11:53] <Odin2347> is there a livecd version of ubuntu
[11:53] <kaos> yes
[11:53] <sacha__> damn 62 packages to be upgraded
[11:53] <Odin2347> does it have wireless support
[11:54] <kaos> don't know never used it
[11:54] <Odin2347> :?
[11:54] <Odin2347> :/
[11:54] <kaos> But I have one with my distro
[11:54] <Mez> if a module is listed in lsmod then it's loaded right
[11:54] <sid77> hi
[11:55] <kaos> Odin2347 do you have ubuntu
[11:56] <Odin2347> no
[11:56] <Odin2347> windows
[11:56] <Odin2347> which live cd should i use
[11:56] <Odin2347> i wanna see if it works with all my hardware before i install it
[11:56] <Lee__> Odin2347: did you check the hardware incompatibility list? the kernel supports lots of hardware.
[11:57] <Lee__> if it's not on that list you should be alright
[11:57] <Odin2347> where is the list
[11:57] <kaos> well install ubuntu
[11:58] <Mez> WHAT THE FUCK
[11:58] <Mez> why does ubuntu not come with gcc?
[11:58] <kaos> well odin if you want a good live cd try knoppix
[11:58] <Odin2347> which live cd should i download
[11:58] <Lee__> Odin2347: http://www.leenooks.com/
[11:58] <Odin2347> i know
[11:58] <mdke> does anyone use mondo?
[11:58] <Odin2347> hmm
[11:58] <Lee__> Mez: 1) calm down. 2) apt-get install gcc
[11:59] <zyme> what means gcc
[11:59] <Lee__> Odin2347: I'm fond of Knoppix for a liveCD
[11:59] <Mez> I know
[11:59] <Mez> but why doesnt it come as default?
[11:59] <Lee__> but if you want to install Linux, just dual boot for a while.
[11:59] <Mez> thats freaky
[11:59] <Lee__> Mez: cause it doesn't.