[07:40] <_StefanS_> hey there
[10:09] <Riddell> ryanakca: I didn't, I don't know how to add to an RT
[12:11] <Riddell> welcome back netsplitters
[12:14] <Tm_T> hi ho
[12:15] <Riddell> nixternal_: manage to get any beta 2 packaging done?
[12:23] <txwikinger> wb Riddell :)
[12:32] <nixternal> Riddell: didn't get any time this weekend to work on anything, had back to back screaming kids birthday parties that I totally forgot about
[12:35] <ScottK-laptop> Bah.  Make the man a core-dev and what happens?
[12:36] <Riddell> he plays pass the parcel :)
[12:38] <nixternal> hehe
[12:38] <nixternal> I would have rather played with DOS than go to the birthday parties
[12:40]  * txwikinger makes the conjecture that screaming kids might be torture and therefore a human rights violation
[12:41] <ScottK-laptop> Parents have no human rights.
[12:44] <txwikinger> Well.. I always tell my son, kids have no rights... figures
[12:44] <ScottK-laptop> It kind of works both ways.
[12:48] <txwikinger> Is it normal that I can't choose a custom wallpaper on KDE4.0.80?
[12:48] <txwikinger> Well I can choose it, but when I relogin it is gone
[13:12] <stdin> nixternal: I have phonon and kdelibs in my PPA built, kdepimlibs is failing though
[13:25] <Riddell> stdin: what does it fail on?
[13:26] <stdin> Riddell: some undefined references
[13:27] <stdin> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15517060/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.kdepimlibs_4%3A4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:29] <Riddell> stdin: what's your ppa? (i.e. launchpad account)
[13:29] <stdin> tsimpson
[13:29] <Riddell> oh aye
[13:31] <Riddell> stdin: kill the DEB_CMAKE_EXTRA_FLAGS += -DKDE4_ENABLE_EXPERIMENTAL_LIB_EXPORT=on line
[13:31] <Riddell> that does scary things with library linking
[13:33] <stdin> ok, just uploaded
[13:34] <Riddell> stdin: where did you get the tars from?
[13:34] <stdin> Riddell: from tags/4.0.83
[13:34] <Riddell> stdin: want me to add you to ktown so you can get the official ones?
[13:35] <stdin> sure :)
[13:35] <Riddell> stdin: is your key in launchpad up to date? (no ssh vulnerability?)
[13:36] <stdin> yeah, LP disabled all the ssh keys it found to be vulnerable
[13:37] <Riddell> stdin: ok, you should be able to ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:37] <Riddell> and find tars in unstable/4.0.83/src/
[13:37] <Riddell> also unstable/4.0.83/support
[13:38] <stdin> yep, I'm there :)
[13:40] <Riddell> stdin: my akonadi packaging http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/akonadi/
[13:40] <Riddell> which ought to work on hardy ok
[15:43] <EagleScreen> i have downloaded d3lphin sources with apt-get source dolphin
[15:43] <EagleScreen> i am going to make changes in sources
[15:45] <EagleScreen> but in debian/patches there are two patches that are incomptable with my changes and now they are not necessary
[15:46] <Riddell> EagleScreen: remove them then
[15:46] <Riddell> we won't be using d3lphin in intrepid of course
[15:46] <EagleScreen> i am making a new servicemenu for compression
[15:47] <EagleScreen> yes i know
[15:47] <EagleScreen> is i norder to fix a bug in hardy
[15:47] <EagleScreen> i would like to upload my hcanges for sponsoring process
[15:48] <EagleScreen> i want to make the things well
[15:49] <EagleScreen> it is possible making servicemenus for Dolphin-KDE4?
[15:49] <EagleScreen> i could incorporate my work into dolphin-kde4
[15:50] <Riddell> I expect so but I've not looked into it
[15:50] <Riddell> EagleScreen: if it's a change in hardy you'd need to make the minimum changes possible, so patches shouldn't be deleted
[15:51] <EagleScreen> i supused that Riddell
[15:52] <EagleScreen> but that two patches are unsefull now with my changes, and also are incompatibles
[15:52] <EagleScreen> i want to make a debdiff to upload it for sponsoring, i dont know if i must remove that two patches before making my debdiff
[15:55] <Riddell> EagleScreen: what are the two patches?
[15:56] <EagleScreen> one is for add Compress servicemenu
[15:57] <EagleScreen> but that Compress only worked for folders and not for files
[15:58] <EagleScreen> then other patch adds other different servicemenu that works for files and adds zip option
[15:58] <Tm_T> Riddell: who does build our kdegraphics packages (KDE4)
[15:59] <apachelogger> ehm
[15:59] <Tm_T> apachelogger: you?
[16:00] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: how are you doing servicemenus for compress/extraction when ark doesn't support start options?
[16:00] <apachelogger> Tm_T: the build servers do, mom, the build servers
[16:01] <Riddell> Tm_T: team kubuntu
[16:02] <Riddell> EagleScreen: I'm not sure your change will pass SRU I'm afraid, SRUs have to be very conservative
[16:02] <Riddell> if you can't edit the existing patches to fix them it's unlikely to be accepted
[16:03] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok, my issue is, from trunk, libkipi parts fails to build in hardy, I wonder if this is known
[16:03] <apachelogger> Tm_T: kipi is not part of kdegraphics
[16:03] <apachelogger> it's in extragear
[16:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: it moved
[16:03] <apachelogger> oh cool
[16:03] <Riddell> Tm_T: built for me in intrepid
[16:04] <EagleScreen> i can paste my servicemenu for you can see it
[16:04] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok, I wonder if it's my libkipi then itself
[16:04]  * apachelogger doesn't follow up with development for some weeks and everything changed :|
[16:05] <apachelogger> Tm_T: seems to build on hardy, at least I have kipi stuff in kde-nightly
[16:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: seeing arron's blog today, is kde-nightly built with debugging symbols?
[16:06] <apachelogger> nope
[16:06] <apachelogger> didn't work last I tired
[16:06] <Tm_T> apachelogger: interesting
[16:06] <apachelogger> *tried
[16:06] <apachelogger> will do another test run this week
[16:06] <apachelogger> after exams
[16:06] <Tm_T> /usr/include/kde/libkipi/imagecollection.h:53: error: ‘KURL’ has not been declared
[16:06] <Tm_T> /usr/include/kde/libkipi/imagecollection.h:53: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of ‘List’ with no type
[16:07] <Tm_T> etc
[16:07] <Tm_T> is my problem
[16:07] <apachelogger> or rather, they are built with debug symbols but dh_strip strips them ;-)
[16:16] <EagleScreen> i think i already know what to do
[16:16] <EagleScreen> i download dolphin sources
[16:17] <EagleScreen> in folder dolphin-0.9.2
[16:17] <EagleScreen> i copy it to dolphin-0.9.2.orig
[16:17] <EagleScreen> i make my changes over dolphin-0.9.2
[16:18] <EagleScreen> and i run diff dolphin-0.9.2.orig dolphin-0.9.2 > my_patch.diff is it right??????
[16:19] <Riddell> EagleScreen: yep
[16:20] <EagleScreen> thanks Reddell
[16:20] <EagleScreen> i think it is a correct way to my changes can be pass
[16:21] <Tm_T> ...I fixed my problem, thanks, always need to ask others before you see the obvious
[16:32] <Riddell> toma: that akonadi update for kdepimlibs/kdepim is anything needed in kdepim?
[16:33] <toma> Riddell: yes, a change in /akonadi/resources/imap, it's the first revision i mentioned in the mail iirc
[16:34] <toma> Riddell: otherwise the imap resource will assert immediatly / not usuable
[16:35] <Riddell> toma: oh I see, that commit is to both kdepimlibs and kdepim
[16:35] <{toma}> yes
[16:55] <Riddell> /root/smarter/power/guidance-power-manager-4.1.0~svn080620/modules/ixf86misc.c:25:38: error: X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h: No such file or directory
[16:55] <Riddell> smarter: compile error in g-p-m
[17:00] <smarter> hey Riddell
[17:01] <smarter> Riddell: is python-kde4 fixed in intrepid?
[17:03] <Riddell> smarter: I've uploaded it so hopefully will be in a few hours
[17:03] <smarter> cool
[17:05] <EagleScreen> hello people
[17:05] <EagleScreen> i laready have made my diff patch for aplying to dolphin
[17:06] <EagleScreen> there are nine patches in debian/patches in dolphin kubuntu sources
[17:06] <EagleScreen> how can i apply my new patch to sources?
[17:06] <EagleScreen> patch -p1?
[17:06] <EagleScreen> patch -p9?
[17:07] <EagleScreen> there nine patches that go from 00 to 08
[17:09] <Jucato> EagleScreen: the -p doesn't stand for how many patches
[17:09] <Riddell> EagleScreen: name the patch kubuntu_09_whatever.diff
[17:09] <Riddell> put it in debian/patches
[17:10] <Riddell> you can apply by hand with patch -p1 < debian/patches/kubuntu_09_whatever.diff
[17:10] <Riddell> and unapply with patch -p1 -R < debian/patches/kubuntu_09_whatever.diff
[17:10] <Riddell> make sure it's unapplied before building
[17:10] <Riddell> build with   debuild
[17:12] <EagleScreen> i do not understand
[17:12] <EagleScreen> my .diff file is ready for upload in launchpad???
[17:13] <EagleScreen> i think is a good idea test it first
[17:13] <EagleScreen> supuse i want to build a new .deb package with my patch applied
[17:14] <EagleScreen> i have my .diff file copied to debian/patches
[17:14] <EagleScreen> what is now the first step?
[17:14] <EagleScreen> building the sources again with debuild?
[17:15] <EagleScreen> running debuild -S -sa?
[17:15] <EagleScreen> is it necessary?
[17:16] <Riddell> EagleScreen: just "debuild"  to build it with binary packages
[17:17] <EagleScreen> debuild will apply automatically the patch, is it correct?
[17:17] <Riddell> EagleScreen: yes
[17:18] <EagleScreen> and if it works well ,i think i only have to share my .diff file
[17:18] <Riddell> stdin: I don't see kdepimlibs in your ppa?
[17:18] <Riddell> EagleScreen: oh before you run debuild, run dch -i and add a changelog entry (it'll pop up a text editor, save and close to finish)
[17:19] <EagleScreen> yes, i know i have to do changelog, thanks
[17:19] <EagleScreen> then i havent to use patch -p1 program??
[17:21] <EagleScreen> have I to use patch program or debuild will do its work??
[17:23] <Riddell> EagleScreen: debuild will run patch -p1 for you
[17:23] <EagleScreen> ok thanks you, and then in which cases is patch -p1 used?
[17:24] <Riddell> EagleScreen: only if you want to test that your patch correctly applies without having to run the whole debuild process
[17:25] <EagleScreen> Riddell do you think i should do it???
[17:26] <Riddell> EagleScreen: sure, just to test the patch works
[17:26] <Riddell> then do it again with -R to unapply it
[17:27] <EagleScreen> ohhhhhh, i think i understand it
[17:27] <smarter> Riddell: I've uploaded a new revision with scrnsaver.h, could you testbuild it and see if there's still dependies missing?
[17:28] <EagleScreen> other way is apply with patch -p1 route/to/my/patch.diff
[17:28] <smarter> *dependencies
[17:28] <EagleScreen> and see if the related files have their changes
[17:28] <EagleScreen> and build the package with these chages
[17:28] <smarter> Riddell: revision 3
[17:29] <EagleScreen> and the other way is to copy patch.diff to debian/patches and let debuild doing all work
[17:30] <nixternal> where are my python people?!?!?
[17:30] <Riddell> smarter: that file is in /usr/include/X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h
[17:31] <Riddell> just build depend on x11proto-scrnsaver-dev
[17:31] <Riddell> nixternal: hmm?
[17:31] <nixternal> say I have this -> selinux-policy-2.4.6-106.el5_1.3.noarch.rpm and I want it to be split into 'selinux-policy', '2.4.6-106.el5_1.3' - what do I have to do?
[17:32] <nixternal> I already split 'i386|noarch.rpm'
[17:32] <nixternal> err, strip
[17:32]  * Riddell would use a qstring
[17:32] <nixternal> hehe, this is going into my django stuff here at work
[17:32] <nixternal> I am going to look at qstring though if it will make splitting that easier
[17:33] <Riddell> I expect you would need a regular expression though
[17:33] <nixternal> I have the regular expression in perl, but doing it in python is driving me nuts
[17:33] <nixternal> m/(([^ ]+-[^ /] and now I can't remember the rest
[17:36] <ScottK> You could always just split the string on "-" and then do [0] + '-' + [1] and then [2] + '-' + [3] if the number of '-' is predictable.
[17:36] <smarter> Riddell: that's what I did
[17:38] <nixternal> ScottK: ya, was going that route, but the number is never predictable
[17:38] <ScottK> Ah.
[17:38] <nixternal> net-snmp-x.x.x
[17:38] <nixternal> tar-x.x.x
[17:38] <ScottK> Do the first N and the last two.
[17:41] <Riddell> smarter: so you did
[17:41] <Riddell> smarter: new error I'm afraid  /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXss
[17:44] <Riddell> smarter: adding libxss-dev as build-dep ends up with a perfect package
[17:48] <daskreech> I thought that regular expressions were just regular expressions
[17:48] <daskreech> Oh right.   Perl
[17:49] <smarter> Riddell: huzzah
[17:53] <smarter> Riddell: should I fill a needs-packaging bug?
[17:55] <Riddell> smarter: not if you've already packaged it :)
[17:55] <Riddell> smarter: ok if I upload this evening?
[17:55] <smarter> ok
[17:56] <smarter> just remove the (LP: #nnnn) from changelog
[18:11] <stdin> Riddell: ~ppa2 failed, just had to edit the .install files, ~ppa3 just built ok
[18:16] <daskreech> seele: Should we be targeting the distros to meet user frustrations?
[18:18] <\sh> good evening Kubuntu :)
[18:18]  * \sh needs an expert in oxygen style graphics...especially icons
[18:18]  * daskreech bows
[18:19]  * \sh doesn't look to kwwii ;)
[18:30] <Xand3r> hi Riddell, do you need some help with merge?
[18:30] <\sh> Xand3r: everything on merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html is free to merge ;)
[18:30] <Xand3r> ^^
[18:30] <Xand3r> kk
[18:31] <Xand3r> \sh: good to know
[18:32] <smarter> Riddell: have you looked at kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts and webkitkde?
[18:32] <Riddell> smarter: webkitkde is all good
[18:32] <Riddell> I'll upload that too
[18:32] <Riddell> Xand3r: if you want a wee challenge, akonadi needs merging
[18:35] <Xand3r> what is a "wee challenge"^^
[18:35] <Riddell> smarter: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts is good too
[18:35] <smarter> groovy
[18:35] <Riddell> Xand3r: we have to split up the package to keep mp3 separate as I remember, not too hard just means you need to make sure all the changes are preserved
[18:36] <yuriy> hi all
[18:37] <Riddell> morning yuriy
[18:37] <yuriy> Riddell: have you looked at my last 2 mails to k-d@lists?
[18:37]  * yuriy feels like k-d@ is a black hole
[18:38] <Riddell> my e-mail can be a bit of a black hole
[18:39] <Riddell> yuriy: transition policy and apport?
[18:39] <yuriy> yup
[18:39] <Riddell> will get to them this evening
[18:39] <yuriy> k, thanks
[19:34] <nixternal> hey, can you block people on kopete from messaging you?
[19:34] <nixternal> I have a pest of a local dude I want to block, because he doesn't understand "DO NOT MESSAGE ME!!!!"
[19:37] <Nightrose> nixternal: you can ignore them yes
[19:38] <yuriy> you should be able to block them. if not that's a big missing feature, at least for AIM
[19:38] <Nightrose> nixternal: hmm maybe not for every protocol...
[19:38] <Nightrose> which one do you need?
[20:07] <nixternal> Nightrose: dunno now that he isn't messaging me...gotta find the history now
[20:08] <nixternal> hrmm, no way to block, just make yourself invisible to them
[20:08] <Nightrose> :/
[20:10] <yuriy> nixternal: on AIM at least that's the same thing
[20:10] <nixternal> ya, this guy is on aim
[20:11]  * jjesse_ makes a note to start bugging nixternal on chat
[20:17] <nixternal> daskreech: consider yourself blocked now
[20:17] <daskreech> nixternal: :-(
[20:18] <nixternal> ya baby, anti-spammer works just fine blocking people now :)
[20:18] <daskreech> No humour
[20:20] <daskreech> nixternal: How is work?
[20:24] <nixternal> wearing thin on me right now
[20:27] <daskreech> ;-)
[21:27] <daskreech> !
[21:27]  * yuriy just had the same reaction
[21:31] <daskreech> bltim: Why login twice?
[21:49] <nixternal> I totally forgot the watch file command to test...what is it? Riddell ScottK ?
[21:50] <ScottK> You mean uscan?
[21:50] <nixternal> ahh, ya thanks
[23:35] <Riddell> can't say I've ever used watch files
[23:57] <seele> DaSkreech: i'm not sure i understand your question
[23:58] <DaSkreech> seele: Your blog was talking about the impact of screenshots to users
[23:58] <DaSkreech> I'm paraphrasing
[23:58] <seele> right
[23:59] <DaSkreech> I was saying that most of those would be coming in via the releases of distros so would it be reasonable to have the distros be the first line of addressing that?


[00:52] <cwayne> jdstrand: ping
[02:49] <jdstrand> cwayne: yeah, I saw something weird and am trying to figure out what it is. I may want to do an upload to fix it
[02:49] <jdstrand> cwayne: sorry, I should have mentioned that sooner
[05:10] <Jack_> Anyone There
[06:26] <nhaines> I can't remember now... is there a way to switch channels (from devel to devel-proposed, for instance) on the device itself via CLI?
[06:51] <popey> nhaines: system-image-cli can do that
[06:53] <nhaines> popey: thanks.  I'm trying to decide whether to run devel or ubuntu-rtm/14.09 on my Nexus 5.
[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[06:59] <nhaines> dholbach: good morning!
[07:00] <dholbach> hi nhaines
[07:00] <nhaines> dholbach: I was just pondering what channel of Ubuntu to run on my N5.  :)
[07:01] <popey> nhaines: I'd ask dobey what he runs on his
[07:02] <nhaines> popey: sounds good.  rtm seems fine but has no scopes and no promotion yet.  I was running devel-proposed but since I'm going to reflash anyway, may as well get a second opinion.  :)
[07:03] <nhaines> dobey: what's the best channel to be running on a N5?
[08:04] <asac> i had my n4 on devel-proposed ringing some form of alarm without a notification that i could use to it off and i had to power it off to get rid of it. is there a bug open for that?
[08:05] <nhaines> Sounds like a timesaver.  Think of all the time looking for the snooze button you won't waste.
[08:06] <ogra_> asac, iirc we had that before but it was fixed ... cant remember any bug number though ... perhaps popey or davmor2 can
[08:06] <asac> nhaines: lol. well, it didnt stop ringing :). was not very effective while i was fighting it mentally hoping for it to stop :P
[08:06] <nhaines> asac: it definitely got your attention though.  :)
[08:06] <asac> hehe
[08:06] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Respect Day! :-D
[08:11] <popey> asac: sounds like the one where the notification is behind stuff, and if you stab repeatedly where the notification would be, it does dismiss it
[08:12] <asac> popey: really? a phantom bubble? nice :). will try next time
[08:12] <asac> popey: do you know the bug id?
[08:18] <popey> asac: lemme try and find it
[08:41] <Mirv> tsdgeos: in case you want to give the rtm silo a whirl, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu-rtm/landing-006 is ready and I estimate getting the (general) testing done today, after which it'll go to QA.
[08:41] <tsdgeos> cool
[08:44] <lool> folks, is there a workaroudn for flashing without --wipe failing on mako?
[08:44] <lool> adb push tells me there isn't enough free space in recovery
[08:45] <ogra_> check /cache/recovery and clean it if needed
[08:45] <lool> there seemed to be only device bits there
[08:46] <lool> I'll try again
[08:49] <davmor2> lool: you can open the mako tarball grab the recovery bit and flash that bit with fastboot and definitely have a clean recovery and then flash with u-d-f
[08:52] <lool> /dev/disk/by-partlabel/cache    552M  9,8M  542M   2% /android/cache
[08:53] <lool> we'll see how that goes, but all files seemed to be relevant
[09:31] <nhaines> Ooh, I found a bug in the welcome wizard.
[09:32] <nhaines> On the "Set lock security", if I open the dropdown for "PIN code", but tap on the entry field for the entry, it goes all pear-shaped.
[09:32] <nhaines> The dropdown doesn't close.
[10:21] <Wellark> mpt: correct. it should be non-editable
[10:22] <mpt> Wellark, I was confused by the toolkit: it looks editable but it isn’t (reported bug 1370571)
[10:26] <Wellark> mpt: ok. does not come as a total surprise :)
[10:34] <Wellark> mpt: quick workaround would be to change the text field to a label
[10:34] <mpt> Wellark, I think that would be a net improvement, even though it would mean the number was uncopyable for now
[10:35] <mpt> (As it is, copying the number is pretty fiddly to do anyway)
[11:38] <lool> I'm getting this on apt-get update on mako / 14.09-proposed:
[11:38] <lool> W: Impossible de récupérer http://derived.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu-rtm/dists/14.09-security/restricted/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[11:38] <lool> looks like sources.list is broken
[11:39] <lool> or the archive
[11:47] <nik90> ogra_: is --channel=ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 the correct channel for rtm stable
[11:47] <ogra_> yup
[11:47] <nik90> cool thnx
[12:22] <Chipaca> mpt: could you (and if not you, who) give any additional input on bug 1371081 please?
[12:30] <mpt> Chipaca, done
[12:30] <Chipaca> mpt: thanks
[12:30] <Chipaca> Saviq: are you still on vacation?
[12:36] <cwayne> jdstrand: hey so i was seeing the precompiled cache in /custom being different from what ended up in /var/cache/apparmor, is that the weirdness you were seeing?
[12:37] <jdstrand> different how?
[12:37] <cwayne> jdstrand: i don't know, diff just said the binaries differed
[12:37] <cwayne> so it seems like theyre not being copied over on first boot
[12:37] <cwayne> if i remove the ones from /var and then reboot they *are* copied over
[12:38] <cwayne> so im wondering if start on starting apparmor wasn't early enough?
[12:38] <cwayne> and the first boot still took forever, so it was definitely still compiling them instead of copying over
[12:38] <jdstrand> do you cwayne that is probably the -u of cp kicking in
[12:38] <jdstrand> mey
[12:38] <jdstrand> that is probably the -u of cp kicking in
[12:39] <cwayne> jdstrand: but the destination file should be missing at that point
[12:39] <jdstrand> cwayne: not if the image had booted
[12:40] <cwayne> jdstrand: but it hadn't, this was on first boot
[12:40] <jdstrand> was this a fresh wipe or was there still stuff in /var/lib/apparmor
[12:40] <cwayne> jdstrand: fresh wipe
[12:41] <jdstrand> what is the output of 'stat /var/cache/apparmor/*' and 'stat /custom/cache/*'
[12:42] <jdstrand> (and no, this isn't the weirdness)
[12:42] <jdstrand> also, define 'forever'
[12:42] <cwayne> jdstrand: like a minute or so, long enough to tell it was compiling :)
[12:42] <jdstrand> 2 minutes, 10 minutes, ...
[12:42] <jdstrand> I see
[12:43] <cwayne> jdstrand: let me do a fresh wipe again, and ill get you the output of those stat calls
[12:44] <jdstrand> I feel like maybe the upstart job is short-circuiting
[12:44] <om26er> jdstrand, Hi! I believe you work on trust-stored-skeleton ?
[12:44] <jdstrand> om26er: I did not
[12:45] <asac> om26er: tvoss is the owner afaik
[12:45] <tvoss> om26er, yup, how can I help?
[12:46] <om26er> tvoss, Hi! during image testing I have found the camera-app to not start sometimes, at that time there is this crash bug 1371071
[12:46] <om26er> jdstrand, ok, I found the owner :)
[12:46] <om26er> asac, thanks
[12:47] <mailyaseen> popey : hi
[12:48] <tvoss> om26er, known, duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/trust-store/+bug/1370444
[12:48] <tvoss> om26er, however, the camera should still start
[12:48] <om26er> tvoss, the camera process did start but the UI was stuck at launching
[12:49] <Wellark> Mirv, mzanetti: do you guys know if anyone has experience in doing QML offscreen rendering?
[12:49] <mzanetti> Wellark: what you want to do?
[12:49] <Wellark> Mirv: kaitsu from nomovok had back in the day when Scenegraph was still called Lighthouse :)
[12:50] <Wellark> mzanetti: I need to do a quick PoC on how to bring unity8 indicators to unity7
[12:50] <Wellark> basically the idea is to render the indicators offscreen to a GL buffer
[12:50] <Wellark> and then have unity7 show the buffer and relay the mouse events
[12:50] <Wellark> it's totally doable
[12:50] <Wellark> I've seen it done before
[12:51] <mzanetti> hmm... greyback maybe
[12:51] <Wellark> just wondering if anyone would have any prior experience on actually doing it
[12:51] <Wellark> so that I don't have to figure out the shape of the wheel from zero'
[12:51] <tvoss> om26er, okay, probably best to file against camera
[12:51] <popey> mailyaseen: yo
[12:51] <Wellark> greyback: my man? --^ :)
[12:51] <mzanetti> Wellark: aren't you working on the SIM pin stuff any more?
[12:51] <Wellark> mzanetti: sure. I am
[12:51] <Wellark> mzanetti: this is my hobby
[12:51] <Wellark> just wanted to ask
[12:52] <Wellark> some preparations for the client sprint
[12:52] <Wellark> mzanetti: I'm working on this on my spare time
[12:52] <mailyaseen> popey: wat is the password, for exploring root files in file manager..
[12:52] <popey> mailyaseen: whatever you set it to in system settings
[12:52] <mzanetti> Wellark: yeah, try greyback... He's done the most with the rendering stuff
[12:52] <om26er> tvoss, will do.
[12:52] <mailyaseen> popey : i tried, ubuntu and phablet... but are not working
[12:52] <popey> mailyaseen: the pin unlock code
[12:53] <popey> mailyaseen: is this in the emulator? if so, try 0000
[12:53] <mailyaseen> popey : okay.. Thank you
[12:53] <tvoss> om26er, thanks
[12:53] <Wellark> popey: the password is the "passcode" you set in the startup wizard
[12:54] <Wellark> pin unlock code is for the SIM
[12:54] <Wellark> alhtough I don't know if it's already "fixed" everywhere
[12:54] <popey> Wellark:uh
[12:54] <popey> we dont have SIM unlock codes here ☻
[12:54] <Wellark> popey: you might not have
[12:54] <popey> and yeah, okay, passcode / pin / potato / potato
[12:54] <Wellark> but the civilized world does :)
[12:54] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[12:55] <Wellark> popey: there is a long bug thread about this
[12:55] <popey> indeed
[12:55] <Wellark> where we actual Europeans tried to convince the UK minded designers that it's a _bad_ idea to call the device passcode "PIN" :)
[12:55] <popey> Wellark: I'm not the one asking, mailyaseen is
[12:56] <popey> I agreed.
[12:56] <popey> Preaching to the converted here ☻
[12:56] <Wellark> popey: btw, will UK change it's name to "Almost United Kingdoms" if Scotland goes on with the madness and breaks off ?
[12:56] <popey> haha
[12:57] <Wellark> don't those people realize what economical and geo political suicide that is...
[12:57] <popey> seems a very close vote
[12:57] <popey> 51/49 by most reckonings
[12:57] <Wellark> same goes for the rest of the UK, btw
[12:57] <Wellark> with the talks of breaking off from the EU
[12:57]  * popey sets up the Glorious Nation of Popey
[12:57] <Wellark> good luck herding those sheeps after that
[12:58] <Wellark> as it's about the only viable living the people in the UK can do after breaking off EU
[12:58] <Wellark> back to the dark ages1
[12:58] <Wellark> ok, maybe my world politics trolling limit is now reached for today
[12:58] <mailyaseen> popey : its password is same as pincode used to unlock the mobile/screen.. :)
[12:59] <Wellark> popey: let's continue in Washington over a barrel of bear :)
[12:59] <pindonga> fg
[12:59] <Wellark> mailyaseen: yes.
[12:59] <popey> ☻
[12:59] <Chipaca> mpt: do you know if there is design as to what to do if the popup is suppressed?
[12:59] <Wellark> mailyaseen: it's the same you have to enter each time you want to unlock the greeter
[12:59] <Wellark> Chipaca: which popup?
[13:00] <mailyaseen> Weelark : correct.. :) i am able to explore to the root
[13:00] <mailyaseen> Wellark / popey : where can i located the files which i had stored in android?
[13:00] <popey> no idea, I dont use android
[13:00]  * Wellark feels very concerned that we have a user unix password set as four digits
[13:01]  * Wellark wonders what is the size of the dictinary that would contain all of the precomputed hashes..
[13:01] <Wellark> mailyaseen: I'm not 100% sure
[13:01] <Wellark> but look under /userdata/
[13:01] <Wellark> if I remember correctly the android files are under
[13:01] <mailyaseen> Wellark : let me check out.. :)
[13:01] <Wellark> /userdata/0/
[13:01] <Wellark> or /userdata/0/0
[13:01] <Wellark> or something like that
[13:02] <Chipaca> mpt: ah, just seen your response. responding.
[13:02] <Wellark> mailyaseen: if you can't find them
[13:02] <Wellark> mailyaseen: but you remember you had a file "foo bar something maybe.pdf"
[13:02] <Wellark> you can do
[13:02] <Wellark> cd /
[13:02] <Wellark> find . |grep -i omething
[13:03] <Wellark> if you just remember at least part of the name
[13:03] <Chipaca> MacSlow: mpt: there
[13:04] <Wellark> Chipaca: btw, was it you who was interested in knowing when the connectivity networking API is ready?
[13:04] <Chipaca> Wellark: yes
[13:05] <kenvandine> renatu, i fixed the translation bug you found, https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/lp1368770/+merge/235082
[13:05] <Chipaca> Wellark: not sure if we can switch to it at this point, but certainly want to know when we can :)
[13:05] <cwayne> jdstrand: https://pastebin.canonical.com/117171/ is /custom/cache and https://pastebin.canonical.com/117173/ is /var/cache
[13:05] <Wellark> Chipaca: sure
[13:05] <Wellark> Chipaca: what's your target language?
[13:05] <Chipaca> Wellark: go
[13:05] <Wellark> ok.
[13:05] <Wellark> Chipaca: sorry, no straight api for you
[13:05] <Wellark> Chipaca: but
[13:05] <Chipaca> Wellark: dbus?
[13:06] <Chipaca> a dbus api would make me happy
[13:06]  * Chipaca rhymes
[13:06] <Wellark> Chipaca: here you go: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/connectivity-api/trunk.14.10/view/head:/doc/dbus/connectivity-api.txt
[13:06] <Wellark> for Qt I would have been able to give you this: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-14.10/cplusplus/connectivity-api/
[13:07] <Wellark> and QML: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Connectivity.NetworkingStatus/
[13:07] <Chipaca> Wellark: no worries. So I just watch changes to those properties?
[13:07] <Wellark> Chipaca: yes.
[13:07] <Chipaca> Wellark: ok
[13:07] <Chipaca> Wellark: thanks
[13:07] <Wellark> standard fdo.Properties
[13:07] <Chipaca> yup
[13:08] <Wellark> Chipaca: I tried to keep it simple :)
[13:08] <Chipaca> Wellark: does it detect captive portals and report that as being offline(ish)?
[13:08] <Wellark> Chipaca: not yet.
[13:08] <Chipaca> ah
[13:08] <Chipaca> Wellark: when?
[13:08] <Wellark> Chipaca: captive portal detection is not enabled in NM
[13:08] <Chipaca> heh. it doesn't work if you do enable it :)
[13:08] <Wellark> Chipaca: we just need to make a decision in Washington
[13:09] <Wellark> or if for some reason we decide not to enable it in NM
[13:09] <jdstrand> cwayne: I think we need more debugging in the custom upstart job
[13:09] <Wellark> I can add the logic to the connectivity-service straight
[13:09] <Chipaca> Wellark: ok. i'll plan to switch post-washington then.
[13:09] <Wellark> Chipaca: but the idea is that the status will stay at "connecting" as long as the captive portal is blocking traffic
[13:10] <Chipaca> Wellark: that wfm.
[13:10] <Wellark> same would also be true if the there is a policy that all traffic must go trhough a VPN
[13:10] <Wellark> status would stay as "connecting" as long as the VPN is not up
[13:11] <Wellark> which might also require a captive portal login first
[13:15] <MacSlow> mpt, regarding LP: #1371081 I assume you'll hook up with Esti and James Mulholland to coordinate the final Design-guideline for a solution?
[13:15] <mpt> MacSlow, I just have
[13:15] <MacSlow> mpt, sweet!
[13:22] <kenvandine> Elleo, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/lp1368770/+merge/235082
[13:22] <asac> barry: do we have a bug for the odd progress bar behaviour on updates?
[13:22] <asac> barry: like i sometimes see it working, but in most cases the whole flow feels buggy
[13:22] <kenvandine> asac, for app updates or system?
[13:22] <Elleo> kenvandine: sure thing :)
[13:23] <asac> kenvandine: system updates ... if there is a difference
[13:23] <kenvandine> there is
[13:23] <asac> kenvandine: like you go there, you see no progress bar movement
[13:23] <kenvandine> we've fixed a number of bugs in that area in the past weeks
[13:23] <asac> and suddenly you get asked for install&reboot
[13:23] <tedg> mpt, So now I'm more confused, I thought that "Messages on Welcome Screen" was controlling notifications: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings#Phone
[13:23] <asac> kenvandine: do we have a master bug or something?
[13:23] <kenvandine> asac, i think that happens when the update is already downloaded
[13:23] <asac> kenvandine: right. the overall userflow is kind of buggy
[13:24] <kenvandine> if it has to download still, i think the progress bar works
[13:24] <asac> buggy experience
[13:24] <asac> not really buggy i think
[13:24] <tedg> mpt, How's that one work with the "Phone Locking" settings?
[13:24] <asac> kenvandine: right. i felt if the download is super small this happens
[13:24] <kenvandine> so if it's already downloaded, we just shouldn't show the bar
[13:24] <kenvandine> asac, do you have auto download enabled?
[13:24] <kenvandine> which is default
[13:24] <mandel> Elleo, can you please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/qml-metadata and let me know if it makes sense  (for the qml only)
[13:24] <asac> but you are probably right taht the user flow is odd when it already is downloaded... wonder why it takes so much time then
[13:24] <dobey> nhaines: i'm running devel-proposed right now
[13:24] <asac> kenvandine: yes of course
[13:24] <kenvandine> right
[13:24] <asac> kenvandine: do we have a bug?
[13:24] <asac> i want to put that onto the tracking radar :P
[13:25] <kenvandine> i don't think we have one for that specifically
[13:25] <kenvandine> please file one
[13:25] <mandel> Elleo, is so that you can set the title in the downloads from the browser (that will be used in the indicator) and a flag that allows to hide the downloads from it
[13:25] <asac> kenvandine: against what?
[13:25] <kenvandine> ubuntu-system-settings
[13:25] <Wellark> Chipaca: btw, I want to talk with you
[13:25] <Wellark> when you have a moment
[13:25] <Wellark> I need some info on Go
[13:25] <kenvandine> asac, so you see the system update available, and you see the progress bar briefly
[13:25] <kenvandine> then you get the dialog right?
[13:25] <mpt> asac, bug 1311365 and bug 1312587
[13:25] <Wellark> Chipaca: but I'm stuck in meetings for the next two hours
[13:26] <Wellark> Chipaca: just ping me when you have a moment, thanks!
[13:26] <Chipaca> Wellark: good :) i'm off to a meeting in 4', and then school run
[13:26] <Wellark> Chipaca: ok.
[13:26] <Wellark> we can talk tomorrow, too
[13:26] <Wellark> as long as it happens before Washington :)
[13:26] <Wellark> Chipaca: I have something that might interest you and the rest of Go writers
[13:26] <Chipaca> Wellark: ah, you're a couple of hours ahead of me
[13:27] <kenvandine> mpt, i do not understand bug 1311365
[13:27] <Chipaca> Wellark: tomorrow morning works for me
[13:27] <Wellark> I'm UTC+3
[13:27] <kenvandine> it's all one page...
[13:27] <mpt> kenvandine, the screenshot is pretty self-explanatory :-)
[13:28] <greyback> Wellark: hey. I've never tried rendering to an FBO, but I know it's possible. https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qquickwindow.html#setRenderTarget looks to be useful
[13:28] <kenvandine> mpt, but it's one page :)
[13:28] <lool> ogra_: do you have the equivalent of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/lxc-android-config for krillin?
[13:28] <lool> no system.img there
[13:28] <kenvandine> oh, that's kind of old
[13:28] <lool> I see no mmcblk* in /dev under recovery
[13:28] <kenvandine> i bet that was fixed in seb128's UI refactoring
[13:29] <mpt> asac, sorry, I misread your complaint. You’re right, it’s a bug that you get prompted as soon as you arrive on the Updates screen.
[13:29] <jdstrand> cwayne: perhaps start with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8372336/
[13:30] <mpt> And it isn’t reported, afaik
[13:30] <jdstrand> cwayne: (untested)
[13:30] <asac> mpt: hmm. i think my complain is that you first get to the normal "download" screen, but dont see progress
[13:30] <asac> then suddenly you get prompted
[13:30] <asac> and then you sometimes end up in the grey screen
[13:30] <cwayne> jdstrand: the only problem is i don't know how to get it to run that on the very first boot (which is the only place we're seeing an issue)
[13:31] <greyback> Wellark: that needs to be called from the render thread, so you need to make a DirectConnection to something like the QQuickWindow::beforeRendering() signal - so that code you write is called on the render thread
[13:32] <jdstrand> cwayne: when is /custom available? always?
[13:32] <cwayne> jdstrand: yeah
[13:32] <greyback> Wellark: for more info on that, see https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtquick-visualcanvas-scenegraph.html#threaded-render-loop
[13:33] <jdstrand> cwayne: a first start might be 'rm -f /var/cache/apparmor/* && reboot' and see what happens
[13:33] <Wellark> greyback: thanks!
[13:33] <mpt> asac, hmm, I don’t know what you mean by “the normal ‘download’ screen”
[13:33] <Wellark> greyback: the real "tricky" part will be the input events
[13:33] <greyback> Wellark: input is always harder :)
[13:33] <jdstrand> cwayne: then paste /home/phablet.debug.out
[13:33] <jdstrand> /home/phablet/debug.out
[13:33] <cwayne> jdstrand: i've done that many times and it always works as expected
[13:34] <cwayne> i.e. diff shows no difference int he files
[13:34] <Wellark> greyback: but scenegraph was design to allow QtQuick to be embedded to "alien" render systems
[13:34] <cwayne> it's only on first boot that it is different somehow
[13:34] <Wellark> back in the day when it was still a research project called Lighthouse
[13:35] <jdstrand> cwayne: are they different now?
[13:35] <greyback> Wellark: designed is a strong word for it :) It can be made work. You might want to look into the "RenderControl" - that's a private API (prublic in 5.4) which gives an external library control over Qt rendering
[13:36] <asac> mpt: if i am in system settings. and i click on updates ... that screen has all the items taht get downloaded stacked and a progress bar
[13:36] <ogra_> lool, just "mount /system (it is in the recovery fstabl)
[13:36] <cwayne> jdstrand: i'd just done a fresh flash, so yep
[13:36] <greyback> Wellark: there's plenty of prior art with integrating QtQuick with other graphics libs. It integrates quite well with VTK for example
[13:36] <jdstrand> cwayne: can you run this command:
[13:36] <Elleo> kenvandine: approved :)
[13:36] <Wellark> greyback: well, Lighthouse was designed for it, maybe the vision got lost during transition to Scenegraph :)
[13:36] <jdstrand> for i in /custom/cache/apparmor /etc/apparmor.d/cache /var/cache/apparmor ; do echo "= $i =" ; for j in $i/* ; do echo -n "$j: " ; sudo apparmor_parser -B -r $j && echo pass || echo FAIL ; done ; done | grep FAIL
[13:37] <jdstrand> cwayne: actually drop the '| grep FAIL' off the end and paste the results
[13:37] <greyback> Wellark: this was a good talk on the topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfIaTccy6HQ
[13:37] <kenvandine> Elleo, thx!
[13:37] <cwayne> jdstrand: i ran it first with the grep fail, does that taint the results at all?
[13:38] <Elleo> no problem :)
[13:38] <jdstrand> cwayne: doesn't taint, just doesn't show as much as I'd like to see
[13:38] <cwayne> jdstrand: when i ran it the second time: https://pastebin.canonical.com/117174/
[13:39] <jdstrand> ok, so no failures (good)
[13:39] <johnvt> Good morning, anyone around?
[13:39] <jdstrand> there might be a click system hook invocation involved
[13:40] <lool> ogra_: updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/lxc-android-config#preview
[13:40] <jdstrand> cwayne: yes, I bet it is click-system-hooks.conf
[13:40] <jdstrand> start on filesystem
[13:40] <jdstrand> task
[13:40] <jdstrand> exec /usr/bin/click hook run-system
[13:40] <johnvt> I'm trying to do an offline install of Ubuntu Server 14.04 LTS but the only ISO I can find for it requires internet
[13:40] <lool> hmm device doesn't boot anymore
[13:40] <lool> laala
[13:41] <jdstrand> cwayne: apparmor start before lightdm, not start on filesystem
[13:41] <ogra_> lool, misses a mkdir for mako
[13:41] <mpt> asac, it has one progress bar for each item that is downloading
[13:41] <johnvt> Is there a way to install Ubuntu Server 14.04 LTS *without* network access?
[13:41] <johnvt> Just a quick bare install
[13:41] <lool> ogra_: does it?
[13:41] <Wellark> greyback: thanks! the most important thing right now for is that by Washington I need to be able just to demonstrate it's feasible to run unity8 indicators on top of unity7
[13:41] <ogra_> lool, well, or make both use TARGET=/system
[13:41] <ogra_> either will work
[13:41] <lool> ogra_: does mount /system work on mako?
[13:42] <ogra_> i think so
[13:42] <lool> gosh I've broken my krillin's boot now
[13:42] <lool> WTF
[13:42] <jdstrand> cwayne: so, you should adjust the upstart job to use: start on starting click-system-hooks
[13:42] <jdstrand> cwayne: instead
[13:42] <Wellark> greyback: I will share the draft of the whitepaper with you as soon as I have it in decent shape and we can go through the details
[13:43] <Wellark> I would really appreciate your input on it
[13:43] <sletta> Wellark / greyback: You might want to know that the lighthouse scene graph has no correlation to the Qt Quick scene graph
[13:43] <cwayne> jdstrand: ah ok so we just weren't starting early enough
[13:43] <cwayne> but then i wonder why it worked on subsequent reboots?
[13:44] <cwayne> or does click-system-hooks only run once?
[13:44] <jdstrand> cwayne: but we should get rsalveti's input. I'm not very familiar with the early boot (system-image stuff, etc)
[13:44] <Wellark> sletta: sure, lighthouse was first
[13:44] <Wellark> they took the name at least :)
[13:44] <jdstrand> cwayne: on subsequent reboots, the clicks didn't change so there was nothing to redo
[13:45] <johnvt> Bueller?
[13:45] <Wellark> sletta: didn't lighthouse became the basis of QPA for Qt5 in the end?
[13:45] <cwayne> jdstrand: ah, right, so start on starting apparmor was good enough in those cases
[13:45] <sletta> different lighthouse
[13:45] <johnvt> Does anyone know if you can install 14.04 without network access?
[13:45] <jdstrand> cwayne: so the click-apparmor might've run, but nothing changed, so it didn't update the cache. then apparmor comes along later and creates the cache for the files that aren't there
[13:46] <cwayne> jdstrand: ah, okay
[13:46] <jdstrand> cwayne: but, I'd like rsalveti's input
[13:46] <Wellark> sletta: anyway, it's irrelevant for the present, but nice memories from the past :)
[13:47] <sletta> :)
[13:48] <jdstrand> rsalveti: so the custom-apparmor-cache job did work on first boot because it started after click-system-hooks. I suggested using 'start on starting click-system-hooks' instead. click-system-hooks uses 'start on filesystem'. do you see any problems?
[13:48] <Wellark> sletta: I remember walking into a ordinary meeting
[13:48] <jdstrand> rsalveti: sorry, it didn't work on first boot
[13:48] <Wellark> and being amazed that everyone walking in through the door were asked straight away to sign an extra NDA
[13:48] <Wellark> even though we had full access already
[13:48] <Wellark> it was clear that the news were going to be big
[13:49] <Wellark> and then we were told that Nokia is acquiring Trolltech
[13:49] <Wellark> the happiest day of my life
[13:49] <Wellark> then again.. in a retro spect everything became quite bitter sweet
[13:49] <sletta> indeed :)
[13:50] <sletta> I was terrified that day, to be honest..
[13:50] <sletta> but I grew to like it
[13:51] <Wellark> sletta: well, I had been working on a team that did tehcnology demoes that utilized Qt for two years before the acqusition
[13:51] <Wellark> so we were excited
[13:51] <Wellark> as we had demonstrated the power of Qt multiple times over
[13:51] <Wellark> it felt natural to us
[13:52] <Wellark> and felt like the thing of the future and new times of prosperity
[13:52] <Wellark> bitter sweet...
[13:53] <Mirv> oh it was this channel, but anyway (just looked at my highlights window)
[13:56] <barry> kenvandine, asac i've been looking at this too, but mostly in the context of testing si 2.4.  i notice fewer odd things on image #47.  note that the signals si-dbus sends hasn't changed, and the UpdateProgress signal is plumbed straight through from udm (except the initial 0,0 signal)
[13:57] <asac> yes, i feel it got better
[13:58] <FunnyLookinHat> Just flashed the latest onto a mako - but I'm not getting any WiFi networks.  Anyone else seeing that?
[13:58] <asac> but its still not really good end user experience imo
[13:59] <FunnyLookinHat> asac, can you elaborate?
[13:59] <barry> asac: the thing that bothers me is that the ui says "installing" when it's really downloading.  it's only *really* installing the update when you click on "reboot and install"
[14:01] <tedg> mpt, Does the "Messages on Welcome Screen" setting effect the messaging menu? Or just "Notifications and quick settings" one?
[14:02] <ogra_> i think it only affects the usermetrics (the stuff in the cycle)
[14:02] <ogra_> (well, it did in the past, not sure how it changed since i last tried it)
[14:03] <nik90> charles: ping (request)
[14:03] <charles> nik90, pong (response)
[14:03] <nik90> charles: hey would it be possible to take a screenshot of the alarm notification in https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-datetime/lp-1370594-refresh-notifications-to-match-design/+merge/235025
[14:03] <nik90> charles: i reflashed my phone and don't have the packages anymore
[14:04] <charles> nik90, sure, one minute
[14:04] <nik90> thnx
[14:08] <charles> nik90, http://i.imgur.com/FkKZvQP.jpg
[14:08] <nik90> charles: thnx a lot :)
[14:08] <mailyaseen> popey : can i have move installed apps from apps section to a new section..?
[14:09] <mailyaseen> popey : i want to keep important apps like phone, msg, calls and couple of more in one section and others in another section..
[14:13] <dobey> mailyaseen: no, but there are 6 apps pinned to the top, including phone, messaging, and contacts
[14:14] <dobey> mailyaseen: you can also pin apps to the launcher (that opens swiping in slightly from the left edge)
[14:16] <mailyaseen> popry : ohh okay: Thanks...
[14:16] <mailyaseen> popey : Thank you
[14:17] <mailyaseen> popey : any future plans of double tap to wake feature
[14:30] <popey> mailyaseen: not that I'm aware of
[14:30] <mailyaseen> popey : ohh okay
[14:45] <dobey> mzanetti: can you re-review https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/unity8/purchase-unprogress/+merge/234747 please?
[14:48] <mzanetti> dobey: ack
[14:49] <mzanetti> alecu: do you think I need to test this again or are we ok if I only do a code review? ^
[14:53] <alecu> mzanetti: code review is fine, thanks
[14:54] <mzanetti> alecu: ack
[15:13] <charles> davmor2, ping
[15:14] <charles> davmor2, I'm not able to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-datetime/+bug/1364088, could you retest and see if the problem is still showing up for you?
[15:16] <jgdx> mpt, pings
[15:16] <davmor2> charles: will do in a bit
[15:16] <charles> davmor2, thanks
[15:31] <cwayne> rsalveti: so the custom-apparmor-cache job didnt work on first boot because it started after click-system-hooks. jdstrand suggested using 'start on starting click-system-hooks' instead. click-system-hooks uses 'start on filesystem'. do you see any problems?
[15:37] <rsalveti> cwayne: nops
[15:37] <rsalveti> go for it
[15:38] <rsalveti> jdstrand: looks fine :-)
[15:38] <jdstrand> cool, thanks
[15:39] <cwayne> thanks rsalveti jdstrand :)  i'll get a branch up and in a silo soon as i'm back from lunch :D
[15:44] <lool> cwayne: hey!
[15:45] <nik90> tvoss: Silo ubuntu-rtm 013, works as expected on RTM Image #43.
[15:45] <tvoss> nik90, thank you
[15:46] <tvoss> nik90, device?
[15:46] <nik90> tvoss: mako
[15:46] <tvoss> nik90, thank you
[15:46] <nik90> np
[16:00] <davmor2> charles, nik90: alarm triggered at 17:00, I'll keep an eye on it
[16:10] <davmor2> charles, nik90: looks fixed here now \o/
[16:16] <cwayne> lool: heya
[16:17] <lool> cwayne: looking at landing the espoo/here rtm silo; do you have an updated tarball ready? can we publish it now?
[16:17] <lool> davmor2: is the silo granted by QA now?
[16:18] <davmor2> lool: we were just dicussing it on the landing meeting I can flick the granted switch
[16:18] <lool> ok
[16:18] <lool> davmor2: what we have in rtm image today is basically broken; this gets us at least a stable baseline that we can fix
[16:19] <lool> with a manageable list of issues
[16:21] <cwayne> lool: it's in 14.09-proposed-customized, we'd need qa signonff before we can move it to 14.09-proposed
[16:21] <lool> cwayne: are there other changes than my update between the two?
[16:23] <cwayne> lool: yes, there's also pre-compiled apparmor cache, but it doesnt work atm (but a fix is being prepared)
[16:23] <mpt> asac, I reported the bug I thought you were talking about as bug 1371157, but I still don’t know what you actually were talking about :-)
[16:24] <popey> woah, i have an accurate location in osmtouch!
[16:24] <popey> well, fairly accurate. it thinks I'm standing on a railway line
[16:25] <popey> NO CARRIER....
[16:27] <lool> davmor2: (see above from cwayne_
[16:38] <davmor2> cwayne: where this tarball and did you let QA know it needed  testing?
[16:38] <cwayne> davmor2: not yet as I was going to try and get more fixes in first
[16:38] <cwayne> davmor2: but it's at 14.09-proposed-customized
[16:38] <davmor2> cwayne: ah right okay
[16:39] <davmor2> lool: in that case I'll do a quick reflash and double check that nothing regresses with the silo installed and then we can go ahead and land that, does that sound like a plan?
[16:40] <lool> davmor2: not sure what you're proposing, but yeah whatever
[16:42] <davmor2> lool: just keep your eye on the silo :)
[16:44] <lool> davmor2: how do you mean?
[16:45] <cwayne> jdstrand: hows this: https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks/start-apparmor-cache-earlier/+merge/235171
[16:50] <asac> mpt: i think pmcgowan filed the "REAL" one now :)
[16:51] <asac> (about install progress bar experience)
[17:02] <kibibyte> hi
[17:02] <kibibyte> can i install ubuntu-touch on nexus 7 2013 LTE ?
[17:02] <jdstrand> cwayne: looks good :)
[17:03] <cwayne> jdstrand: cool :) i even made sure to make a new tarball with newer clicks so that the click-hooks would actually be running too
[17:03] <kibibyte> can i install ubuntu-touch on nexus 7 2013 LTE ?
[17:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Ubuntu Touch seems to make stuff unbootable... With my flo device I can only get into fastboot mode, and I can't flash anything using [ fastboot flash ]...
[17:05] <kibibyte> SonikkuAmerica, do you have nexus 7 3g ?
[17:05] <kibibyte> 2013
[17:06] <SonikkuAmerica> This is flo, which means Wi-Fi only (which is the base for tablet development)
[17:06] <kibibyte> SonikkuAmerica, i have 33 can i install utouch on this ?
[17:07] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm not sure.
[17:07] <kibibyte> 3g
[17:07] <kibibyte> ill try , whoi cares
[17:08] <kibibyte> hm i have custom recoevery already
[17:11] <kibibyte> can i use twrp recovery for installing utouch ?
[17:12] <SonikkuAmerica> If you use ubuntu-device-flash it will install a modded CWM
[17:12] <kibibyte> not good
[17:13] <kibibyte> normally i just needed .zip file with image and it works
[17:15] <Wellark> Chipaca: how about that quick hangout?
[17:15] <Wellark> or did you already leave?
[17:15] <Chipaca> Wellark: i'm on my way out
[17:15] <Wellark> Chipaca: ack
[17:15] <Wellark> Chipaca: have a great evening then! :)
[17:16] <Chipaca> Wellark: you too!
[17:16] <dobey> !devices | kibibyte
[17:17] <dobey> kibibyte: "deb" has images built on the alternate community system-image server
[17:17] <kibibyte> dobey, yeah this one  http://system-image.tasemnice.eu
[17:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Stupid remote: flash write failures....
[17:17] <dobey> yes
[17:17] <kibibyte> dobey, but i already have twrp recovery and cyanogenmod , I dont want another recovery
[17:18] <kibibyte> just want to backupo cyanogenmod and install utouch from twrp
[17:18] <kibibyte> is it possible
[17:18] <kibibyte> ?
[17:18] <dobey> kibibyte: i don't know. i think you're on your own for that
[17:26] <kibibyte> dobey, on http://system-image.tasemnice.eu theres no images to dwonload i see only some .tz files
[17:27] <dobey> kibibyte: uh, there are images there. there may not be the sideloaded zip file you're wanting, but it has images that are installable with ubuntu-device-flash
[17:27] <dobey> kibibyte: if you want to do it the hard way, like i said, i think you're on your own
[17:27] <kibibyte> dobey, is there any way to download it somehow
[17:28] <dobey> wget?
[17:30] <dobey> i'm not quite sure how the multiboot app works (if it installs a different recovery or what), but it might work too
[17:31] <ogra_> the deb port is maintained by the same person that maintains/wrote multirom
[17:31] <ogra_> so i guess it will just work fine
[17:33] <SonikkuAmerica> So I was able to load TWRP from the command line, but it couldn't mount anything... :(
[17:34] <dobey> ogra_: yes it will work. i meant with regards to the recovery image though
[17:34] <ogra_> ah, yeah. no idea about thaat
[18:49] <pmcgowan> charles, do you work on BT indicator?
[18:49] <pmcgowan> have a bug I need to assign
[18:49] <charles> pmcgowan, cyphermox and I have both done work on it lately, feel free to assign it to me
[18:51] <pmcgowan> charles, thanks
[18:51] <charles> pmcgowan, url?
[18:51] <davmor2> charles: aka sucker for punishment ;)
[18:52] <charles> if it's deep into the guts of BT, I'll probably get cyphermox for help, he's better at that than I am
[18:52] <charles> "help"
[18:52] <pmcgowan> it seems more UI type bug
[18:52] <cyphermox> pmcgowan: the disconnect one for some speakers?
[18:53] <pmcgowan> cyphermox, no this is the indicator not restoring itself when BT turned back on
[18:53] <cyphermox> oh wait
[18:53] <cyphermox> indicator, I see ;)
[18:53] <pmcgowan> it shows up but its empty
[18:53] <cyphermox> I haven
[18:53] <cyphermox> haven't ever touched the indicator
[18:55] <charles> cyphermox, I'm thinking of the good BT work you did for ubuntu-system-settings
[18:55] <charles> cyphermox, you're the go-to BT guy
[18:57] <charles> but I agree with pmcgowan, this sounds more like an issue with the indicator itself
[19:04] <MisuMihai> hello , how do i ask questions here ?
[19:06] <genii> MisuMihai: You just state the problem or question as clearly as you can to everyone, and then wait
[19:14] <MisuMihai> Ok, i'm trying to instal ubuntu touch on a chinese tablet, will it work ?
[19:16] <genii> MisuMihai: Odds are probably not. But you could check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices and see if it's already on the list
[19:19] <mhall119> hey, the new emulator image is asking me for a passphrase, who knows what that is?
[19:20] <mhall119> sergiusens: ogra_ ^^ ?
[19:21] <mhall119> and why does the emulator image default to having a passphrase anyway?
[19:31] <mhall119> hmmm, seems I need a password on my own device now too...
[19:32] <mhall119> popey: do you know what the password is for devices now?
[19:33] <mhall119> 'phablet' no longer works
[19:49] <mhall119> zbenjamin: bzoltan: Filed a bug for this one too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1371286
[19:56] <mhall119> sorry, that's not password related, it's scope running ^^
[19:57] <mhall119> too many IRC windows
[20:13] <zbenjamin> mhall119: how did you stop the scope? From qtc? or removed the cable?
[20:36] <mhall119> zbenjamin: I don't remember now, I ran it last night and tried again today
[20:36] <zbenjamin> mhall119: pulling the cable while its still open will result in that problem
[20:37] <zbenjamin> mhall119: sadly i do not get the SIGHUP signal then the cable is pulled
[20:37] <zbenjamin> mhall119: i guess the shell is just killed if that happens
[20:38] <mhall119> I very likely did that
[20:39] <mhall119> zbenjamin: unfortunately the phablet user's password has changed and "adb shell" now logs me is a that user, so I can't currently uninstall my stope
[20:39] <mhall119> scope
[20:39] <zbenjamin> mhall119: you can uninstall it as a user, with pkcon but i don't have the command at hand now
[20:40] <cwayne> mhall119: phablet user's password is the passcode/passphrase to unlock
[20:41] <mhall119> cwayne: any idea what that user password might be?
[20:42] <zbenjamin> mhall119: it did not change, you had to set the password or code yourself on the phone
[20:42] <zbenjamin> mhall119: only on the emulator it would be 0000
[20:47] <mhall119> zbenjamin: I'll try that on the emulator, I didn't change my password on my phone though
[20:49] <mhall119> ah, it set to my pin now
[20:49] <mhall119> thanks zbenjamin
[20:50] <zbenjamin> mhall119: np
[20:53] <mhall119> zbenjamin: this whole "you can't run something from the SDK if it's already installed" limitation is going to be frustrating to developers, is there an alternative?
[20:54] <zbenjamin> mhall119: well the alternative is breaking already installed apps
[20:54] <zbenjamin> mhall119: we probably could add a "force install" checkbox somewhere
[20:55] <mhall119> zbenjamin: would it be possible to just prefix the appid with "test." anywhere it's used?
[20:57] <zbenjamin> mhall119: thats no solution, then you end up with 10 apps installed each with a prefix   test.test.test.test.test.test.test.myappid
[20:57] <mhall119> more like test.com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.appname
[20:58] <mhall119> but now that I think about it, there's probably too many places that needs to be done to reliably do it with a script
[20:59] <zbenjamin> mhall119: i don't really like the prefix idea, i thought about that too before. But i don't know that the appid is already used before the click package is on the phone. That means i would have to unpack it, fix the file, and then click build it again
[21:04] <zbenjamin> time to catch some sleep
[21:04]  * zbenjamin --> out
[21:06] <cwayne> jdstrand: ping
[21:11] <jdstrand> cwayne: hey
[21:16] <cwayne> jdstrand: hey, so i was trying out a custom tarball with the core apps included, and i'm seeing a bunch of apparmor denials
[21:16] <cwayne> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8375131/
[21:17] <jdstrand> cwayne: it looks like CLICK_DIR is not properly set in the profile
[21:18] <jdstrand> cwayne: can you paste 'cat /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/click_com.ubuntu.gallery_gallery_<IP_ADDRESS>6'
[21:19] <cwayne> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8375162/
[21:20] <jdstrand> @{CLICK_DIR}="/usr/share/click/preinstalled"
[21:20] <jdstrand> click isn't giving click-apparmor the right directory it seems
[21:20] <jdstrand> let me check something
[21:20] <cwayne> jdstrand: hm, how can we get that properly set?
[21:21] <cwayne> i bet it's getting confused as the clicks are likely the same version..
[21:21] <jdstrand> cwayne: I'm guessing the versions of the apps exist in both /usr/share and custom
[21:21] <jdstrand> right
[21:21] <cwayne> yeah
[21:24] <jdstrand> right, so, click-apparmor is just resolving symlinks in /var/lib/apparmor/clicks
[21:25] <jdstrand> so there isn't anything more it can do
[21:25] <jdstrand> click is probably preferring the preinstalled directory over /custom
[21:26] <jdstrand> you'd want to either talk to cjwatson about that or simply adjust your scripts to remove things from /custom that are already in preinstalled
[21:26] <cwayne> jdstrand: right, but we're trying to move the stuff from /usr/share/click/preinstalled into /custom :)
[21:27] <cwayne> i'll poke cjwatson tomorrow, perhaps it's as simple as having click preferring /custom (which i would have assumed it did tbh)
[21:51] <darthanubis> anyone running touch on a nexus2013wifi tablet?
[22:15] <popey> darthanubis: yes
[22:29] <doneill> ubuntu touch on a cheap allwinner tablet, yey.
[22:29] <popey> doneill: you ported it?
[22:35] <doneill> not yet :(
[22:35] <doneill> but i do have debian running on it already
[22:35] <doneill> although that has nothing to do with it
[22:35] <doneill> running repo, which seems to take ~17 years to complete.
[22:42] <tvoss> hmmm, who can help me bootstrapping a .pot file?
[22:53] <nhaines> dobey: thanks!
[22:54] <tvoss> popey, ping
[22:59] <popey> tvoss: hello
[22:59] <tvoss> popey, unping :)
[23:00] <nhaines> Well that was easy.