[10:17] <Lonesword> lstarnes: Thanks......how can u compile c++ programs in uuntu? I installed g++ and when I try to compile, I get the error message that 'cout' isn't declared...but I've already inlcuded iostream.h in the program
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> mehedi: yep pure support
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> mehedi: there is #ubuntu-offtopic for all other chats
[10:17] <mehedi> how can i chat using ubuntu?
[10:17] <lstarnes> Lonesword: what about cstdio and cstdlib?
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> Lonesword: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> mehedi: you are doing it now
[10:18] <lstarnes> mehedi: there are several IM clients, such as pidgin, which supports many protocols
[10:18] <Radtoo> Lonesword: you may be using an old programming style, confuse c and c++. or such. might want to look for a new tutorial for c programming with gcc
[10:18] <Lonesword> lstarnes: Never tried them...I use windows at school and its #include <iostream.h> there.......I'll give cstdlib a try
[10:18] <tarelerulz> Is firefox 3.5 offically out for Ubuntu or any other Linux ?
[10:18] <mechdave> I now use namespace std;
[10:18] <lstarnes> tarelerulz: it will be included by default in ubuntu 9.10
[10:19] <dare> yes, latest is 3.5.2
[10:19] <Lonesword> Radtoo: no...I'm not confusing c with c++...just that c++ seems to be different from turbo c++ in windows
[10:19] <Radtoo> tarelerulz: its out for linux but not all distros already ship it in their main repositories
[10:19] <lstarnes> !ff35 | tarelerulz
[10:19] <O__o> turbo c++ such long time ago
[10:19] <negev> anyone know where i can find libapache2-mod-php5-dbgsym_5.2.4-2ubuntu5.6_i386.ddeb?  (as opposed to 5.7)
[10:19] <arand> tarelerulz: it will be in Uubntu 9.10, it is available in current 9.04 as the package "Shiretoko", it will not be updated as default in 9.04
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> negev: if you have the filename you can websearch it
[10:20] <negev> ActionParsnip yes im aware of that, only one result on google, which is the official ddebs page that doesn't have it
[10:20] <lstarnes> tarelerulz, arand: the package is firefox-3.5, not Shitetoko
[10:20] <dare>  Lol
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> tarelerulz: in jaunty it s a seperate app, in karmic its a proper update
[10:20] <joaopinto> Lonesword, that is because turbo C++ uses ANSI C++ plus some borland specific extensions and libraries, you will notice the same if you use VC++
[10:20] <lstarnes> *Shiretoko
[10:20] <mehedi> i use ubuntu 8.10. will it be turned into a new verson if i istall updates available?
[10:20] <lstarnes> mehedi: only if you explicitly tell it to update to a new version of ubuntu
[10:20] <Quaoar> mehedi, no
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> mehedi: no it will only upgrade what you have, if you want to jump up a release you will need different steps
[10:21] <Radtoo> Lonesword: Yep. It is. Can't give any better suggestions than to look for a tutorial using gcc tho :)
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade | mehedi
[10:21] <Lonesword> joaopinto: Thanks.....but cstdlib and cstdio doesn't work either
[10:21] <lstarnes> tarelerulz, arand: the package doesn't use the official mozilla firefox branding, so it uses the default development branding (also known as shiretoko, based on its codename)
[10:21] <joaopinto> Lonesword, please check a gcc C++ tutorial, the proper lib name is stdlib
[10:21] <Lonesword> Radtoo: Ok. But can u give me the name of the standard input output library? It says cout isn't declared!
[10:21] <lstarnes> Lonesword: you do need to have the build-essential package installed
[10:22] <Lonesword> joaopinto: stdlib? Thanks....I'll look for a tutorial
[10:22] <Lonesword> lstarnes: I did a sudo apt-get install g++....that's all, isn't it?
[10:22] <mehedi> what is the best web browser for ubuntu?
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> mehedi: there is no best
[10:22] <lstarnes> Lonesword: you also need build-essential
[10:22] <Lonesword> mehedi: Firefox
[10:23] <lunix> Anyone happen to know how to make frambuffer work on : Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> mehedi: best is a personal opinion so is not concrete
[10:23] <Lonesword> lstarnes: Now what's that?
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> mehedi: there is no best app for anything
[10:23] <mehedi> Best media player for ubuntu?
[10:23] <lstarnes> Lonesword: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> mehedi: same again
[10:23] <Lonesword> lstarnes: Can I get it using the synaptic manager?
[10:23] <lstarnes> Lonesword: it contains libraries and tools required for development
[10:23] <lstarnes> Lonesword: yes
[10:23] <dare> Lonesword: just "sudo apt-get install build-essental" and stop complaining until you have done so
[10:23] <Lonesword> lstarnes:Ok
[10:23] <Lonesword> dare: Sure
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> mehedi: best doesnt exist anywhere except an evaluation of someting to your own personal needs
[10:23] <Radtoo> mehedi: ... I could say that mplayer, vlc, and the wm / dm specific players are popular
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> mehedi: why dont you try a few to see which you like and use that
[10:24] <tarelerulz>  I am on ubuntu 8.04  and is headach to install 3.5 .   can you do easy via repository ?  I try  html 5 videos out on wiki and it worked great.  Wiki's audio and vidoe never really worked that well for me so the new stuff was nice
[10:24] <lunix> Im very happy with Totem.  Downloads drivers as you need them. Perfect :p
[10:24] <mehedi> has there any good medical software available to download for ubuntu?
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> mehedi: you are using an OS where freedom and choice is rife, I suggest you use this to your full advantage rather than been told what to use by a smattering of users in a chat room
[10:24] <Radtoo> mehedi: uh. like what?
[10:24] <Guest69879> any help to instal converter for uif file?
[10:24] <joaopinto> mehedi, if there is you will find it by searching on the repositories, go to add/remove apps
[10:25] <Slart> mehedi: medical software? like "your first operation"? or administrative software?
[10:25] <joaopinto> I guess he refers to medical records keeping, etc
[10:25] <Radtoo> mehedi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuScience <- perhaps that helps some...
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> guest69879: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=482963
[10:26] <mehedi> Thanks Radtoo
[10:26] <Lonesword> lstarnes: I installed build-essential...
[10:26] <lstarnes> Lonesword: do you get the same error?
[10:26] <Lonesword> lstarnes: Yes..........my first line is #include <stdlib>............maybe that's where the problem is?
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> Lonesword: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=329482
[10:27] <burf> argh... trying so hard to like ubuntu
[10:27] <Radtoo> mehedi: but if you can, ask more specific questions if you have more.
[10:27] <burf> i cant get my graphcs right
[10:27] <lstarnes> Lonesword: try cstdlib instead of stdlib
[10:27] <burf> tried everything
[10:27] <Dday> Does anyone here know how to use rubyripper?
[10:27] <burf> 2 cards too
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> Lonesword: or iostream.h
[10:27] <Lonesword> lstarnes: Ok
[10:27] <mehedi> i m medical student.
[10:27] <mechdave> Lonesword, can you pastebin your code?
[10:27] <Lonesword> ActionParsnip: I've already tried iostream.h
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> burf: try keeping your text on one line so we dont have to read up to reform your text from fragments
[10:28] <Lonesword> mechdave: I'll try
[10:28] <Lonesword> mechdave: #include <cstdlib.h>
[10:28] <Lonesword> main()
[10:28] <Lonesword> {
[10:28] <Lonesword> cout<<"Hello world";
[10:28] <Lonesword> }
[10:28] <FloodBot2> Lonesword: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> burf: can you please provide the output of: sudo lshw -C display    in a pastebin
[10:28] <mechdave> Lonesword, http://paste.ubuntu.com
[10:28] <Lonesword> mechdave: ok
[10:28] <dare> shouldn't that be std::cout ?
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> Lonesword: main needs a return type: try   void main (void)
[10:28] <burf> yep thx
[10:29] <lstarnes> Lonesword: you also need to either use using namespace std; or use std::cout instead of cout
[10:29] <mechdave> Lonesword, first you need int main()
[10:29] <Lonesword> ActionParsnip: But it used to work fine without anything inside the parenthesis...I'll try that anyway
[10:29] <Radtoo> Lonesword: and since its c++. shouldn't it be <iostream> ...
[10:29] <Radtoo> Lonesword: look, a tutorial will do better. :P
[10:29] <mehedi> i m 4 d first time here.think it is a amazing scope to share and solve problem!
[10:30] <burf> http://pastebin.com/d6c7bc520 - i know its an old card but still...
[10:30] <mechdave> Lonesword, is studying the very basics of C++, don't confuse him(?) with classes please
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> burf: ive got similar, it does text great ;)
[10:30] <Slart> mehedi: please try to avoid abbreviations like "4" "d" and so on.. it makes it hard to understand for people who are not entirely fluent in english
[10:31] <SkyNetMaster> is there irc for help on deb package creation?
[10:31] <burf> im not too bothered about setting fire to my screen and jello windows, i just need a bigger res - any ideas?
[10:31] <Slart> mehedi: but yes.. this channel is great, I agree =)
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> burf: ok can you please provide a pastebin of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:31] <Lonesword> lstarnes: They say cout is not a member of std
[10:31] <burf> i tried it with a RAGE 128 Pro (old again but slightley better)
[10:32] <lstarnes> Lonesword: I thought it was
[10:32] <mehedi> Slart thats ok. where are you from?
[10:32] <burf> do i just type that in? /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:32] <duffman_2003> join #madrid
[10:32] <burf> gedit?
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> burf: sudo apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:32] <Lonesword> mechdave: Exactly.......actually, It worked fine in window.s....but I wanted to see why unix is a better development platform
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> burf: give the url that is output
[10:33] <dare> Lonesword: http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/program_structure/
[10:33] <Slart> mehedi: I'm from Sweden (as you can see if you run /whois Slart). But this channel isn't for social chat. Try #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[10:33] <Lonesword> dare: I'll try that
[10:33] <burf> http://pastebin.com/f10d6ff0b - wow thats clever it can pastebin
[10:33] <Radtoo> Lonesword: It is. Please, check a tutorial. http://pastebin.ca/1550110 <- most classic example, works,
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> burf: its very handy for pastebining files when people ask for them, you can also output text to it
[10:34] <burf> excellent
[10:34] <mechdave> Lonesword, since I have studied C++ the namespace has come in to use. This code compiles --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/262992/
[10:34] <Lonesword> dare: The example worked....now somebody please tell me what "using namespace std" means
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> burf: ok now run:     gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:35] <dare> Lonesword: it says on the webpage
[10:35] <burf> yep?
[10:35] <Radtoo> Lonesword: Your turbo cpp is just a bit dated. You need to update your knowledge. And you need to do so by reading a tutorial rather than asking us, it takes too long otherwise.
[10:35] <Lonesword> dare: Good point.
[10:35] <lstarnes> Lonesword: it tells the compiler to import everything from the std namespace into the main namespace
[10:35]  * mechdave digs out his Friedman and Koffman
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> burf: under line 22 that says "Identifier "Configured Video Device" add these lines:
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> burf:  Driver		"sis"
[10:36] <Lonesword> Radtoo: Yes. I got scared of the ugly blue screen and installed bloodshed dev c++ in my shcool.
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> burf:  BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[10:36] <Lonesword> OK. THAT's IT. I'm going to read a tutoria
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> burf: so it looks a bit like this: http://pastebin.com/d1d44caea
[10:36] <mechdave> Lonesword, UNIX is not necessarily a better development platform... Just different :)
[10:36] <GrosPoussin>  /server -m irc.yozora-irc.net -j #Airsoft
[10:37] <Radtoo> Lonesword: also perhaps a few nitty gritty details will be nicer if you use an ide. code::blocks, kdevelop, anjuta, even eclipse + cdt...
[10:37] <nitroman70> hi, I would like to redirect an incoming audio stream to my microphone input : for example, if I chat with a friend on skype, I want him to hear my audio stream instead of my microphone input. How can I do that
[10:37] <burf> yep saved
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> burf: great, now reboot
[10:37] <mechdave> Lonesword, I recommend you purchase an up to date C++ book and learn from that
[10:37] <burf> thx - brb :)
[10:38] <Slart> nitroman70: I've always hoped that pulseaudio would be able to do that by clicking on some secret button or something.. I haven't found the button myself though.
[10:38] <mechdave> Lonesword, are you studying C++ at university or school?
[10:39] <Lonesword> mechdave: School.......I've to learn c++ for the next 2 years
[10:39] <Radtoo> Lonesword: ah, the blue screens... well, newer incarnations of the software you were accustomed to are still good. but open source can do fine, too. I think aforementioned IDE are a match or better for that ide you mentioned :)
[10:39] <Slart> nitroman70: I'm also pretty sure you could do it using dmix and alsa.. but it's been too long since I've messed with it and I've forgotten most of the syntax.. but it's a software mixer you can use to combine audio streams and so on.. there has to be a way to do what you want with it
[10:39] <mechdave> Radtoo, Lonesword when I studied C++ at university we started out with a text editor and g++ so it gave us a good background in the language and not hiding anything in an IDE
[10:39] <Lonesword> mechdave: And books...i've got loads of old c++ books (my dad's)...but I've never had the time (and guts) to read through the 5 inch thick book
[10:39] <nitroman70> in fact, there is no pulseaudio on the computer I wish to do that (I think so, it's kubuntu 8.04)
[10:40] <burf> ok done
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> burf: better?
[10:40] <Lonesword> mechdave: But the people at my school doesn't even have an idea on unix...........I know better about computers than my teachers!
[10:40] <burf> res still shows max of 1024x768
[10:40] <mechdave> Lonesword, Your dad's books may not be all that up to date... I am finding problems even now 9 years after leaving uni to keep up with C++ changes
[10:40]  * dare envies nitroman70's pulseaudioless computer
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> burf: ok what do you prefer?
[10:40] <burf> 1280x1024
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> burf: ok then run: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:41] <Radtoo> mechdave, Lonesword: Well, I myself am not a fan of the "no ide=better programmer" doctrine. It only matters if the IDE hides every last detail under *click* buttons, as far as I'm concerned.
[10:41] <mechdave> Lonesword, We can continue this conversation in #ubuntu-offtopic if you wish
[10:41] <Radtoo> ye, agreed. offtopic
[10:41] <Lonesword> ok
[10:41] <Slart> nitroman70: this page has some information.. nothing about sending audio output to a mic though.. but it might give you some ideas http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin
[10:41] <Vazurro> I have had a little problemz. In the penguinfucker.css has 2 major error
[10:41] <nitroman70> I got my audio stream coming through ssh tunnel on port 9090 (when I run vlc and start listening on http://localhost:9090, it works), but I don't know how to redirect it to the microphone input
[10:41] <burf> yep?
[10:42] <angel> I have a direct internet cable from the sattelite, I connected the cable to the WAN port of a router , and I have also connect an AP to the router , I can get the IP from the AP but I can't connect to the internet , any  help pleaseee??
[10:42] <mechdave> Radtoo, I just like to show people how to write a basic "hello world" program with minimum "distraction" to understanding the code. If you use an IDE the student is also grappling with the IDE as well as grappling with the code
[10:42] <goddard> i have no sound on mplayer using oss
[10:43] <goddard> i have no sound on mplayer using oss
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> burf: add the lines I have added to your screen section: http://pastebin.com/d121402b8
[10:43] <computer_> how do i reset or reinstall my sound back to default?
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> burf: its the subsection part
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> !sound | computer_
[10:43] <goddard> i have no sound on mplayer using oss
[10:43] <Oins> How can i find out my ubuntu bit version? At /etc/issue is only Ubuntu 9.04 displayed. I like to know if it's the 32 or 64bit version.
[10:43] <rubik_> Halo, looking for some assistance with overscan issues. Tried modifying my xorg file but no matter what i do, my modelines that i set does not appear under nvidia settings manager. Am using a Acer REVO with NV Ion
[10:43] <thisthat> hi all
[10:43] <goddard> i have no sound on mplayer using oss
[10:44] <goddard> can anyone help me
[10:44] <burf> reboot?
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> Oins: uname -a      i686 = 32bit, x86_64 = 64bit
[10:44] <goddard> tryed that
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> burf: indeed
[10:44] <burf> thx il be back
[10:44] <adam__> hi there
[10:44] <Ileden> Hi! I cannot connect to my ISP's (non-standard) E-Mail port - is there some easy way to test the problem is not at my end - I mean that no firewall on my network is not blocking the outbound traffic?
[10:44] <goddard> ActionParsnip: i have no sound on mplayer using oss
[10:44] <Oins> ActionParsnip: ah ok. thank you!
[10:45] <OltreIrc`35085> ciao
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> goddard: i have no experience of messing with sound
[10:45] <rubik_> Ileden : try to telnet to the ip and port, it should connect
[10:45] <goddard> who has
[10:45] <Ileden> rubik_: it's ssl secure connection though, would telnet work?
[10:45] <adam__> i can't send any content via bluetooth from my mobile phone to my pc in 9.04. How can I solve it?
[10:46] <lstarnes> Ileden: I think there is a variant of telnet with ssl support
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> goddard: ask the room and see
[10:46] <goddard> i have no sound on mplayer using oss
[10:46] <lstarnes> goddard: you have aready said that multiple times
[10:46] <Ileden> might there be some internet service that would allow me to check if I can connect to a specific port?
[10:46] <lstarnes> goddard: does it work with other sound systems such as alsa or pulseaudio?
[10:47] <goddard> no
[10:47] <lstarnes> Ileden: there is telnet-ssl
[10:47] <zcat[1]> telnet ought to at least connect, even if it can't do any more than that?
[10:47] <Ileden> lstarnes: thanks, I'll try that!
[10:47] <lstarnes> goddard: another application may be using the sound system, causing mplayer to be unable to use it
[10:47] <rubik_> ya telnet will connect, i use that all the time. And if you know the protocol, you can log into the mail server too through telnet
[10:48] <zcat[1]> nmap might work too
[10:48] <goddard> nothing is using sound
[10:48] <lstarnes> I usually use socat instead of telnet
[10:48] <Guest17254> any help with instaling some good  uif file converter?
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> Guest17254: i gave one but you went. let me try find it again
[10:49] <zcat[1]> yep, just telnetted to gmail.com:443 and I can connect but of course not do anything else
[10:49] <adam__> can anyone help me with the bluetooth device please?
[10:49] <Guest17254> ActionParsnip: sorry mate, i turn it off accidently
[10:49] <goddard> nothing is using sound
[10:49] <zcat[1]> rubik_: EHLO?
[10:49] <rubik_> ?
[10:49] <adam__> i cannot send anything to my pc, but it works opposite way
[10:50] <wolf23> anyone help me with emerald?
[10:50] <Ileden> lstarnes, rubik_ : thanks! telnet worked fine (that is, it got a valid reply). Should have thought of that myself, in fact but I didn't think it'd work because of the ssl. Should have tried. Thanks!
[10:50] <rubik_> zcat[1] : the question wasn't from me ;)
[10:50] <zcat[1]> rubik_: ok, so you don't spek esmtp then
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> Guest17254: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=482963
[10:50] <rubik_> nah i speak pop3 hehe
[10:50] <burf> where is he?
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> burf: ?
[10:50] <cousin_mario> hello
[10:50] <burf> ActionParsnip: luv u :)
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> burf: better?
[10:51] <burf> it works great yeah - phew
[10:51] <burf> thanks for that i really apprciate it
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> burf: back up that file and keep it safe.
[10:51] <Guest17254> ActionParsnip: thanks mate, wish u all good to your day!
[10:51] <Cheery> hi, I have file operation jammed to a screen.
[10:51] <Alexia> Goddard are you having sound problems?
[10:51] <zcat[1]> A friend of mine used to IRC by telnetting into the irc servers
[10:51] <lstarnes> Ileden: ssl and tls are embedded in tcp, so logically anything with support for tcp should be able to connect to something that uses ssl, but not necessarily do anything else without also having ssl or tls support
[10:51] <Cheery> do you know how to get rid from it?
[10:51] <goddard> yes
[10:51]  * cousin_mario upgraded to the nvidia-glx-185 testing package and now temp sensor is no longer detected: any idea what to check for?
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> burf: if you need to reinstall you can simply copy the file back from the backup
[10:51] <burf> where is it stored again?
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> burf: use your up key to view past commands
[10:51] <Alexia> goddard, do you mind if i send you a private message
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> burf ;)
[10:51] <burf> ohyeah
[10:52] <goddard> not at all
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> burf: teach a man to fish and stuff
[10:52] <burf> xorg.conf
[10:52] <cousin_mario> xorg.conf?
[10:53] <wolf23> helpers,anyone help me with emerald?
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> burf: yep, backup that file so if you have to reinstall you dont have to jump through these hoops again, you can just copy the file oer and restart
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> wolf23: wassup
[10:53] <zcat[1]> daughter is doing a report on someone in technology. she chose linus. ;)
[10:54] <omarhu> Hey guys what's up
[10:54] <omarhu> !!!
[10:54] <omarhu> i need ome info
[10:54] <wolf23> ActionParsnip,  i want to help me how to install emerald and make ubuntu looking like windows 7
[10:54] <omarhu> could somebody help me?
[10:54] <zcat[1]> wolf23: apt-get install emerald
[10:54] <Cheery> http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8046/fuckbuntu.png
[10:55] <AnxiousNut> omarhu: what do you need?
[10:55] <Cheery> if I close it, it goes only to background
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> wolf23: you will need to instal compizconfig-settings-manager and emerald
[10:55] <omarhu> ok
[10:55] <zcat[1]> wolf23: then go on gnome-look.org and find a nice 'vista' theme for it
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> wolf23: you will also need to have full 3d drivers installed and running
[10:55] <wolf23> zcat[1],  yes i have install it,but i want anyone to help me the terms how to make it like windows 7
[10:55] <burf> still cant enable effects tho - nmind
[10:55] <Myrtti> !ask | omarhu
[10:55] <burf> fresh cup of coffee i think
[10:55] <burf> brb
[10:56] <wolf23> zcat[1], i download themes and icons and start button from there, can u help me installing it plz
[10:57] <NetEcho> is there an easy way to compare 2 identical folders to see what files have changed and how?
[10:57] <wolf23> ActionParsnip,  thanx, dude
[10:57] <zcat[1]> wolf23: yeah, basically once you have 3d rivers, compizconfig-settings-manager and emerald from the repos, and a theme from gnome-look.org, drag the top panel down and resize it, gt rid of the other one.. it's not too hard to figure out
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> !theme | wolf23
[10:57] <zcat[1]> hehe, 3d rivers ;)
[10:57] <Myrtti> NetEcho: diff - if you want graphical, try meld.
[10:58] <omarhu> i need ome info
[10:58] <omarhu> could somebody help me?
[10:58] <wolf23> zcat[1],  can u plz tell me how step by step
[10:58] <Myrtti> omarhu: ASK
[10:58] <theatro> !ask | omahn
[10:58] <burf> what exactly am i missing without normal effects?
[10:58] <zcat[1]> wolf23: not really ;)
[10:59] <Myrtti> !pm > omarhu
[10:59] <omarhu> ok
[10:59] <omarhu> i have my laptop
[10:59] <omarhu> with dual boot
[11:00] <omarhu> Ubuntu & Windows
[11:00] <Myrtti> omarhu: try to put it all to one line
[11:00] <omarhu> on C:
[11:00] <FloodBot2> omarhu: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> omarhu: ease up on the enter key dude
[11:00] <Myrtti> omarhu: it makes it easier to read your stuff
[11:00] <omarhu> is it possible to pass Ubuntu from C: to D: ?
[11:01] <omarhu> cause for the updates it says
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> omarhu: ubuntu doesnt use drive letters
[11:01] <wolf23> zcat[1],  ok i have the site to show u
[11:01] <omarhu> ok ok
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> omarhu: have you by anychnace used wubi?
[11:01] <omarhu> i know
[11:01] <omarhu> wubi?
[11:01] <omarhu> no
[11:01] <burf> i heard pidgin stores passwords for messenger in plain text is there something else more secure i can use to get on yahoo messenger?
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> omarhu: or is it a true dual boot?
[11:02] <omarhu> what's that?
[11:02] <Myrtti> omarhu: did you install with an .exe file?
[11:02] <omarhu> is a dual boot
[11:02] <NetEcho> Myrtti I'm seeing stuff like 32,38c37,49
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> omarhu: if you dont know it it doesnt matter
[11:02] <omarhu> DUAL BOOT
[11:02] <NetEcho> whats the letters between the line numbers mean?
[11:02] <Myrtti> NetEcho: line numbers
[11:02] <NetEcho> caught that much, what about the letters?
[11:02] <CaT_MaNZz> is there any console network manager ?
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> omarhu: ok windows names partitions with letters, Linux uses block device names. If you run: sudo fdisk -l   you will see what I mean
[11:03] <zcat[1]> burf: if you want secure just don't let it store passwords at all, there's a checkbox for itiirc..
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> CaT_MaNZz: ifconfig and iwconfig
[11:03] <burf> oh ok
[11:03] <omarhu> yes i got it
[11:03] <iamleneko> hi
[11:03] <omarhu> ok listen
[11:03] <omarhu> the only thing i need to know is
[11:04] <CaT_MaNZz> ActionParsnip, Im asking about redhat like manager .. with ncurses windows and etc
[11:04] <omarhu> IS IT POSSIBLE TO PASS THE SO UBUNTU FROM ONE HARD DISK TO ANOTHER?
[11:04] <erUSUL> !caps | omarhu
[11:04] <erUSUL> omarhu: yes it is possible
[11:04] <nibbler> burf: there is nothing wrong with storing passwords in plain text. for services like messengers, it is actually impossible to really encrypt passwords
[11:04] <omarhu> ok
[11:04] <omarhu> how can i do ti?
[11:05] <Radtoo> CaT_MaNZz: how was that redhat like manager called?
[11:05] <nibbler> omarhu: look for the "harddisk upgrade mini howto" (google etc), it has detailed step-by-step instructions
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> omarhu: you will need an intermediate partition to store the data while you copy one to the other but it is possible
[11:05] <CaT_MaNZz> system-config-network
[11:05] <iamleneko> i have multiple network cards on a computer that give connection to 2 different network, but this computer don't found the gateway to the internet
[11:05] <nibbler> ActionParsnip: intermediate partition??
[11:05] <iamleneko> there is something that don't work and probably misconfigured
[11:06] <erUSUL> omarhu: you can use several methods. partimage or clonezilla could be of help. but copying the files with cp also works ;P you only neeed to know what you are doing-
[11:06] <omarhu> "harddisk upgrade mini howto"
[11:06] <burf> yeah but plain text - jeez - coulda sprung for some simple encryption, no?
[11:06] <omarhu> just like that?
[11:06] <nibbler> iamleneko: make sure you have only one default gateway
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> omarhu: if you are simply transferring to a new drive this isnt needed. if you want to swap which partitions are being used for what you will need a stepping stone
[11:06] <burf> yahoo does
[11:06] <iamleneko> nibbler, how do i set this ?
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> nibbler: i thought a partition swapover was wanted, then i re-read it
[11:06] <burf> bvtw - does pidgin check your email for yahoo - let you know when you receive one?
[11:06] <omarhu> cause on my laptop i have one Harddisk
[11:06] <omarhu> divided on 2
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> burf: you can enable new mail notifications. I think it can
[11:06] <zp> hi
[11:07] <omarhu> u know 30 GB on 15 & 15
[11:07] <nibbler> iamleneko: nopaste output of: ifconfig -a, route -n, and give info about your actual gateway, and see if you can ping it
[11:07] <NetEcho> Myrtti is there a way to get a more readable printout?
[11:07] <zp> anyone heard of zii egg?
[11:07] <omarhu> and i want to pass from one piece to another
[11:07] <acron17> hi there. i've a nvidia vanta graphics card ( 10de:002c (rev 15) ) which i'm unable to get operatable
[11:07] <omarhu> but on the same hardisk
[11:07] <iamleneko> i can't ping it if i don't tell ping the interface to use wait
[11:07] <Myrtti> NetEcho: I personally get a more readable printout with a graphical diff viewer such as meld, I'm not familiar with diff on the command line
[11:07] <iamleneko> ping -I eth0 ...
[11:07] <nibbler> omarhu: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Hard-Disk-Upgrade.html
[11:07] <Radtoo> CaT_MaNZz: hm I think its not quite as feature rich, but network-config may work...
[11:07] <NetEcho> Myrtti I only have command line on this ubuntu server
[11:07] <iamleneko> wait i did set a gateway for each network
[11:08] <rubik_> how do you uninstall a application that is not in your add/remove list ?
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> omarhu: thats fine to the system its just another partition, it could be on another disk or watever it doesnt matter
[11:08] <iamleneko> i probably just need to comment out one of the gateway
[11:08] <nibbler> iamleneko: well, you need to have a defined way....
[11:08] <Myrtti> NetEcho: if you want to work on CLI, I guess you could use the patch mode or whatever it's called
[11:08] <iamleneko> ?
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> rubik_: sudo apt-get --purge remove <name>
[11:08] <Logomachist> Feel kind of dumb for asking this but how can I add a Java program to the Main Menu. There's a jar and a "run.sh" file, but the jar won't execute and the "run.sh" file only works if you're running the script from its own directory (and "cd DIRECTORY NAME" gives me an error).
[11:08] <acron17> the hardware-driver window is empty. i installed nvidia-glx-71 and the kernel module seems to get loaded but xorg refuses to load the driver
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> acron17: try a different driver
[11:08] <NetEcho> Myrtti hrm thats an option but I gotta try to find out whats been altared between to two site source codes before I do anything that might be fatal
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> acron17: what release are you using?
[11:09] <acron17> ActionParsnip: jaunty
[11:09] <Myrtti> NetEcho: I meant the mode in diff that you can use to make patches
[11:09] <omarhu> ok ...
[11:09] <omarhu> now
[11:09] <NetEcho> oh
[11:09] <Radtoo> CaT_MaNZz: also (at least some branch of) wicd has got command line functionality... ncurses included
[11:09] <omarhu> i have another question
[11:10] <Radtoo> CaT_MaNZz: I saw that on another dist tho, no telling if it was patched or vanilla... but it is pretty nice.
[11:10] <NetEcho> Myrtti trying a split column view
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> acron17: could try the 96 driver
[11:10] <AnxiousNut> what's the difference between "sudo apt-get --purge remove" and "sudo apt-get purge <name>"
[11:10] <nibbler> iamleneko: if you have to default gws, how would the kernel know whichone to take?
[11:10] <iamleneko> nibbler, well commenting out one of the gateway seems to work, it will do the job for now
[11:10] <omarhu> i will install ubuntu on the second partition
[11:11] <iamleneko> nibbler, indeed
[11:11] <acron17> ActionParsnip: why should i try a different diver? the vanta card is supposed to be supported by the 71 driver as stated here: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.12/README/appendix-a.html
[11:11] <nibbler> iamleneko: if you want to have two gateways, like failover, loadsharing etc, things get complicated. check for some iproute2 howto stuff... but this is not easy or anything :)
[11:11] <burf> no email notification - but thats ok i suppose
[11:11] <omarhu> how can i delete the o?
[11:11] <zp> hi anyone have documentation or tutorial on installing ubuntu on ARM?
[11:11] <omarhu> how can i delete the one i have togethe Windows?
[11:11] <zp> any pointer or guide?
[11:12] <iamleneko> nibbler, i did have some try with it in the past, and yes it is some pain (and not have the time for it)
[11:12] <sublimey> good morning, could someone please help me downgrading kaffeine? i've searched the web, but can't find any help or how to's?
[11:13] <Randai> you mean the media player?
[11:13] <sublimey> yeah thats the one
[11:13] <iamleneko> nibbler, thanks a lot for your help
[11:13] <omarhu> ???
[11:13] <Randai> should be in the uhh repositories?
[11:13] <iamleneko> i can go back to work now :)
[11:13] <nibbler> iamleneko: welcome, bye
[11:14] <cummseng> How come my linux laptop cannot resolve a computers hostname but my windows machine can?
[11:14] <omarhu> how can i delete the one i have togethe Windows?
[11:14] <sublimey> the latest version is 1.1svn and i want the old 0.8.7
[11:14] <Randai> in jaunty, that's what its listed as.
[11:14] <nibbler> cummseng: hosts file? different nameservers? resolved via windows networking - to name some possibilities
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> acron17: well what you have isnt working so to me it makes sense. have you tried modifying xorg.conf?
[11:14] <Randai> as in the jaunty repositories that is.
[11:14] <burf> where can i find things to put on desktop to make it look good - dunno what exactly - is there a place?
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> acron17: or reading /var/log/Xorg.log.0
[11:14] <nibbler> omahn: i dont understand your uestion
[11:14] <Radtoo> cummseng: .. woops, nibbler already answered that. can you give us the hostname you're trying to resolve?
[11:14] <cummseng> nibbler, i think its resolved via windows networking, how can i get this functionality?
[11:15] <ActionParsnip> burf: www.vladstudio.com
[11:15] <rubik_> burf : add/remove screenlet
[11:15] <cummseng> Radtoo, its just the name of the computer. Loungeroom-PC
[11:15] <sublimey> erm, sorry i'm running koala alpha 4, and kaffeine has broken, so i wanted to downgrade the version
[11:15] <jmaina> hey Guys i have noticed that Debian doesnt have really good graphic support for Dell Laptops... i had to use the vesa default...
[11:15] <Randai> ahh right.
[11:15] <ActionParsnip> !karmic | sublimey
[11:15] <Radtoo> burf: also gnome-look.org, kde-look.org and there's also a ton of desktop additions that "look good" in the form of programs.
[11:15] <jadz> Hey guys i have an issue with the volume control not working correctly when i use the multimedia keys on my laptop (dell 6400). When i press vol+/- it seems to change the status of the volume, but the volume itself doesn't  change. Any ideas?
[11:15] <bazhang> jmaina, debian?
[11:15] <jmaina> anyone know how to install the driver for the ati graphics card.....???
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> !ati | jmaina
[11:16] <Radtoo> cummseng: ... yes, but where do you enter it?
[11:16] <acron17> ActionParsnip: i added Driver "nvidia" and xorg failed to start... (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so
[11:16] <cummseng> Radtoo, im trying to use gigolo
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> acron17: ok did the dkms step of the driver install complete?
[11:16] <jmaina> mad thanks ubottu... i just wanted to know how to install the driver... for my curiosity
[11:16] <cummseng> Radtoo, i cant even ping it
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> !bot | jmaina
[11:16] <mehedi> how i can convert pdf file in ubuntu?
[11:17] <adac> Is there a virtual machine that can boot from usb stick?
[11:17] <acron17> ActionParsnip: yeah i think so. lsmod shows me nvidia is loaded and the dmesg is ok i think
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> mehedi: convert to / from what?
[11:17] <Randai> jmaina: you after the 9.8 version? Just installed it the other day for my HD4850
[11:17] <sublimey> its just that kaffeine now recongises my dvb card as dual tuner now, :/ and comes back with a "demultiplexer error" , so is it possible to downgrade kaffeine, i'm sure i have done this with other programmes :)
[11:17] <mehedi> from pdf to word document?
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> acron17: uninstall the driver and in xorg.conf set it to Driver 'nv"
[11:17] <Radtoo> cummseng: hmm, seems like that could be either SMB or FTP or SFTP... I guess its a window share then, tho.
[11:18] <Radtoo> cummseng: well, pinging would resolve names differently than smb would. at least usually.
[11:18] <acron17> ActionParsnip: but i do need hw accel :-/
[11:18] <Radtoo> cummseng: I bet you can ping the computer's IP address if it is not firewalled or the router prevents it, tho.
[11:18] <sprink> so I finally got my sound working in ubuntu but it doesn't work in flash apps. Any idea?
[11:18] <cummseng> Radtoo, yes i can ping the ip, but not the hostname.
[11:19] <Randai> sprink: what sound system you using?
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> acron17: i know, but if you install the driver from fresh it sometimes makes it work
[11:19] <jmaina> Randai... i had tried it before it was a major disaster ended up saying things im really glad the computer doenst understand human... :)
[11:19] <mehedi> How can i convert pdf file into word document ?
[11:19] <sprink> Randai: I have a audigy 2 but I am just using headphones
[11:19] <acron17> ActionParsnip: ok. so what do you suggest?
[11:19] <Randai> jmaina: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Jaunty_Installation_Guide was a good guide as far as installing it went
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> acron17: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia*; sudo apt-get --purge autoremove; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:20] <Randai> sprink: as in alsa? pulse audio?
[11:20] <Radtoo> cummseng: That's because the name resolution for windows shares and web sites / pinging / etc can work differently.
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> mehedi: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/pdf-to-doc-converter-344569/
[11:20] <sprink> Randai: alsa
[11:20] <zp> ubottu, tell User about ARM
[11:20] <acron17> ActionParsnip: ok and then? sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-71 ?
[11:20] <Randai> sprink: as right, sorry only dealt with OSS4 in regards to getting flash sound working perfectly.
[11:21] <NetEcho> Myrtti so meld makes it easier to see exactly which parts changed?
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> acron17: run all that and reboot, then once back to desktop, rm ~/.nv*; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-71
[11:21] <Randai> sprink: the only thing I could suggest would be to try flash 10 if you already haven't.
[11:21] <acron17> ok, i'll try...
[11:22] <cummseng> Radtoo, My router can see the names of my windows machines, how come it cant see linux?
[11:22] <sprink> Randai: ok thanks
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> mehedi: you can use pdfedit as well instead of converting to a nonporable format
[11:22] <grawity> cummseng: Windows machines use some NetBIOS thing for broadcast name resolution. On Linux, that function only comes with Samba.
[11:23] <mehedi> is Wine is free?
[11:23] <cummseng> grawity, i have samba installed and a share on that server already.
[11:23] <Radtoo> cummseng: Again, it is important to tell what "type" of name you mean... regular host names as used for web servers and such, or the windows share names?
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> mehedi: yes, i know of only 4 paid for apps in linux
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> mehedi: wine is free
[11:23] <roy_> Hi! I want a nice gui boot menu like rh in ubuntu 9.04. Any recommendations/suggestions?
[11:23] <grawity> cummseng: Do Windows systems "see" your server?
[11:24] <cummseng> grawity, yes, i can see it browing the network, i can ping the hostname
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> roy_: none really, its on the screen for like 20seconds, who cares
[11:24] <burf> am i using kde or gnome currently?
[11:24] <Randai> ActionParsnip: uhh what 4 apps do you know that cost money?
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> Randai: penumbra, nero4linux, cedga, crossover office
[11:24] <roy_> I care. Because of the looks.
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> Randai: those are the ones i know
[11:25] <Randai> ActionParsnip: right, nothing important from the list ha ha
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> Randai: penumbra is very worth the money
[11:25] <grawity> roy_: Grub can have a background set.
[11:25] <sublimey> roy, http://www.howtoforge.com/mac4lin_make_linux_look_like_a_mac
[11:25] <Radtoo> mehedi:  you already were answered this question about wine 2 times before... I find it odd that you ask again?
[11:25] <burf> wwhat am i using by default?
[11:26] <bazhang> burf, ubuntu is gnome, kubuntu is kde
[11:26] <roy_> Is grub gfx (http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Grub-gfx) any good?
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> burf: if its got a button on the bottom bar with a K on it, its KDE, otherwise you will have a bar at the top and one at the bottom and be Gnome
[11:26] <don-i> this channel is alot more alive than efnets #ubuntu
[11:26] <burf> cool thx
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> burf: you can however install any DE on your system that you like
[11:27] <Randai> ActionParsnip: hmm, what is it, only thing I don't know. Searching doesn't seem to bring up anything
[11:27] <grawity> roy_: grub-gfx seems to be exactly like the normal grub
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> Randai: scary first person shooter using lots of ragdoll physics, its hugely interactive and a puzzler
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> Randai: the demo isnt bad at all
[11:27] <sublimey> roy, if you follow that guide i linked to, theres a section on modifying grub
[11:28] <Randai> ActionParsnip: right, now I know what the name is from. Was thinking of "software" software. Not a game.
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> Randai: http://www.penumbragame.com/ageGate.php
[11:28] <roy_> But what about the nice bg and reorganised, better looking menu? Is it doable on the current grub in ubuntu?
[11:28] <_winderer_> how can i  give net conection throught eth0 any help , somebody pls
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> Randai: a game is softwae
[11:28] <Radtoo> cummseng: you know what? do you have bind and its tools installed on your ubuntu? you can use "dig" to query the regular name servers as they are used on the internet (no netbios), that might answer some questions.
[11:29] <Randai> ActionParsnip: yeah I know. It just doesn't cross my mind as such in most circumstances, as in I think of development tools and such before I come to having a game in mind.
[11:29] <grawity> roy_: You can set a background - but there are some limitations, as you can see in that Arch wiki page.
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> Randai: gotcha
[11:29] <roy_> Look at this: http://tuxenclave.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/how-to-install-gfx-grub-in-ubuntu/ I would really like to have a more red hat - like menu though...
[11:29] <cummseng> Radtoo, Grawity, i figured it out. I had to add wins to /etc/nsswitch.conf
[11:30] <Radtoo> cummseng: I think we can set up the linux machines similarly if we know whether you need samba, a normal name server entry (possibly asked for by dhcp) ...
[11:30] <Radtoo> cummseng: ah, nice
[11:30] <grawity> roy_: I even have a script for Ubuntu, to change grub splash: http://sprunge.us/hPDb
[11:30] <grawity> roy_: gfx-grub looks nice though :\ try installing it.
[11:30] <sublimey> i use http://sourceforge.net/projects/startup-manager/ to change grub :)
[11:31] <burf> how do you use the cube if its enabled?
[11:31] <acron17> ActionParsnip: re. did as you suggested... no luck error in Xorg-log is: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> burf: ctrl+alt+ click and drag
[11:31] <Radtoo> cummseng: well congrats, then :)
[11:31] <cividale> hi guys
[11:31] <sublimey> middle click on empty desktop is easier :)
[11:31] <cividale> is anyone speaking italian?
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> sublimey: on karmick you can use mouse1+mouse3 :D
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> !it | cividale
[11:32] <Radtoo> cividale: #ubuntu-it ...
[11:32] <burf> click and drag the desktop?
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> sublimey: if its an app widow you need the hotkeys
[11:32] <sublimey> yeah, but click the mouse wheel and drag
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> burf: yes with alt + ctrl held
[11:32] <burf> mustnt be working then
[11:32] <jmaina> hey i would like to format a usb disk using the dd utility.., just not sure on the command syntax, anyone who knows how to do that...
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> burf: have you enabled it in ccsm?
[11:32] <sublimey> enable cube, enable cube rotation too
[11:32] <grawity> jmaina: you don't. dd is not for "formatting"
[11:33] <burf> i enabled cube
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> burf: have you ran: compiz --replace ?
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> acron17: not sure then, i'd try different drivers til you hit the gold
[11:33] <burf> i installed compiz config
[11:33] <sublimey> rotate cube is 2nd ccsm option you need
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> burf: means nothing, yu can install openofficec and never run it, same deal
[11:34] <jmaina> grawity: but u can use it to clean the disk cant u...????
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> burf: press alt+f2 and type   compiz --replace
[11:34] <roy_> :sublimey: 10x :) will try that &g-gfx. bye folks!
[11:34] <sublimey> np
[11:34] <burf> both enabled
[11:35] <sublimey> ctrl+alt+left arrow?
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> burf: is compiz running?
[11:36] <burf> i see an error on system tray - please run package manager
[11:37] <burf> its probly due to not recognizing card correctly
[11:37] <syslq78> How can I disable magnifyer?
[11:37] <ZERO00> YO
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> burf: if you havent actually started compiz, no hotkeys or inputs will make it do anything as its not running
[11:38] <lilleman_> I need to change my keyboard keymap. When I select the appropriate keyboard (mac/swedish) it have two keys switched, and another two I'd like to switch just for comfort. Where can I do this?
[11:39] <burf> how can i tell if its running - system tray?
[11:39] <Randai> burf: system monitor. F2 System monitor
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> burf: by saying that you havent ran it, just because you installsomething doesnt mean its running
[11:39] <new_to_linux> I am having problems running SUPER video convertor in Wine - it hangs with a small window frozen on the workspace. any ideas please?
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> burf: like I said earlier: press alt+f2 and tpe    compiz --replace
[11:40] <burf> so i have to run it every time?
[11:40] <burf> oh ok
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> !appdb | new_to_linux
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> burf: yes every boot, you can ad it to your autostart items but you need to run the app each time
[11:40] <Shamoun> what is the best video player for linux? something with features comparable to mpc-hc and with xvba support
[11:40] <Randai> ActionParsnip: doesn't it uhh configure it, itself on installation from the repositories? cause I could have sworn I didn't go through any of that, just the other day
[11:40] <chris|> mplayer
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> new_to_linux: try to find a native app instead, not all apps run well or even at all via wine
[11:41] <sublimey> no, system, preferences, appearance, visual effects, extra turned on?
[11:41] <burf> ok done compiz --replace
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> Randai: not what i've seen
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> Randai: and i'd say it auto making itself autostart is anti-choice
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> burf: ok does the cube work?
[11:41] <Randai> ActionParsnip: ahh right, yeah I remember now, turned it on in the appearance settings.
[11:41] <burf> no
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> burf: ok try te same command in a terminal window and pastebin the output'
[11:42] <new_to_linux> thanks. I am also having trouble with my USB wireless network adaptor. It isn't working (sorry about the vague description) - can someone pls help??
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> new_to_linux: can you please use http://pastebin.com and give us the output of: sudo lshw -C network
[11:43] <burf> http://pastebin.com/m2885da0d
[11:43] <burf> xgl not present
[11:44] <sublimey> what card is it burf?
[11:44] <ZERO00> ...
[11:44] <burf> dunno some on board one - 5 years old now gotta be
[11:44] <AnxiousNut> what's the difference between "sudo apt-get --purge remove" and "sudo apt-get purge <name>"?
[11:44] <ZERO00> BYE
[11:44] <burf> i had same issues with a rage 128 pro which i pulled out earlier
[11:44] <thedancingdeer> Please register with services and use the IDENTIFY command (/msg nickserv help) to speak in this channel
[11:44] <thedancingdeer> these are the errors i got on ##c and ##c++ channels!
[11:45] <DJones> !register | thedancingdeer
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> AnxiousNut: the remove part, remove uninstalls it, the first command only removes the config outside of $HOME
[11:45] <DJones> thedancingdeer: Those channels require you to have registered your nick with freenode before you can join the channels
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> AnxiousNut: you could have also read    man apt-get
[11:47] <thedancingdeer> does this mean my current nick 'thedancingdeer' which i can change anytime or the name i'm registered with! the one i see after /whois nick
[11:47] <thedancingdeer> DJones: does this mean my current nick 'thedancingdeer' which i can change anytime or the name i'm registered with! the one i see after /whois nick
[11:47] <iv3att> ok
[11:48] <DJones> thedancingdeer: Its the "thedancingdeer" part which needs to be registered, if you're unsure about registering, I'd suggest joining #freenode and they'll be able to help you through the registration process
[11:50] <javi> hi, is there any package for the game 0 A.D. ?
[11:51] <dutchie> $ firefox
[11:51] <dutchie> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> dutchie: try: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get --reinstall install firefox
[11:52] <dutchie> still segfaulting
[11:52] <new2Linux> please find output of 'sudo lshw -C network' here: http://pastebin.com/m1ff4da13
[11:52] <O__o> how to print double sided in linux?
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> javi: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1211966
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> new2Linux: there is no wifi device in your system or attatched to it
[11:53] <javi> ActionParsnip: thanks for the link
[11:54] <new2Linux> it is connected to one of the USB ports, but isn't recognising it. i read on some forums about using ndiswrapper to wrap the windows driver for it?
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> javi: you will find its a simple binary installer or seperate app that needs certain apps off the cd in certain places in the file system
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> new2Linux: your system isnt seeing the hardware
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> new2Linux: so any attempt to install any form of driver will fail
[11:55] <dutchie> FF reinstalled fine but still segfaults
[11:55] <new2Linux> what can i do then?
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> new2Linux: i suggest you unplug the device, wait 10 seconds, plug it back in, wait 10 seconds then run: dmesg | tail
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> dutchie: try: mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla_old      then rerun firefox
[11:55] <Radtoo> new2Linux: ndiswrapper is a last resort, it does frequently not work nicely. I'd start by seeing what hardware that usb device acutally is, first, to see if it is supported under linux
[11:56] <dutchie> ActionParsnip: nope
[11:56] <chuuk> anyone here have any experience with tiling window mangers?
[11:56] <new2Linux> whenever i unplug it, the ethernet controller stops working too, so i have to restart. any ideas on what to do instead of restarting?
[11:56] <alankila> damn that ndiswrapper is a nice idea, but a pity that it doesn't work perfectly. I think it's the highest height of irony if, at some point in the future, the stable drivers API turns out to be win32/64 driver API for linux.
[11:57] <Trijntje> Hi all. In applications -> add software there is a star rating for each packet. is this rating based on the use of the application or the number of installs?
[11:57] <Radtoo> chuuk: ye, sure...
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> dutchie: bah, ok then rename the old profile back: killall firefox; rm ~/.mozilla; mv ~/.mozilla_old ~/.mozilla
[11:57] <yinlong> ActionParsnip,can you explain what "dmesg" can do in ubuntu?
[11:57] <chuuk> ok, i'm running awesome right now - the keybinding to spawn a new xterm doesn't work
[11:57] <Radtoo> chuuk: are you using the "window" key and enter?
[11:58] <chuuk> yeah
[11:58] <chuuk> i'm able to use Mod4+F2 to open the xterm
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> yinlong: displays the kernel messages
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> yinlong: man dmesg   will tell you
[11:59] <zp> exit
[11:59] <yinlong> yes,i did it
[11:59] <chuuk> Radtoo: but apparently the keybinding for Mod4+Enter seems to conflict with something else
[11:59] <mikele> #ubuntu-it
[11:59] <mikele> how can I enter in ubuntu-it?
[11:59] <Guest41255>
[11:59] <enzotib> mikele: /join #ubuntu-it
[11:59] <dutchie> oops, there goes my .mozilla folder
[11:59] <mikele> thanks
[11:59] <Radtoo> chuuk: hm... ye, well, it should work then. Problem is, awesome has got a difficult "for experts" lua based configuration with little documentation. Most documentation they have is still for awesome 2. You should probably contact their irc channel directly.
[11:59] <cividale> hi guys i need help
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> dutchie: no, you only renamed the original, so you can rename it back
[12:00] <chuuk> alright, will try that. cheers for the help
[12:00] <dutchie> no, I just deleted it by accident
[12:00] <Trijntje> !ask|cividale:
[12:00] <Radtoo> chuuk: other than that... wmii is also more or less the same if you don't need multi-screen support
[12:00] <cividale> i use a notebook acer aspire 4935g i try to use skype but the front mic and cam doesn't work at all is anyone can help me?
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> dutchie: i gave yuo the exact commands, you can copy / paste to the terminal
[12:01] <dutchie> ActionParsnip: you missed a -rf, then I made a mess of it
[12:01] <chuuk> Radtoo: anything involving the Return key doesn't work for me
[12:01] <O__o> hi can someone tell me if this command will print double sided??
[12:01] <Radtoo> chuuk: in fact it it is more powerful in the default configuration, if you don't want to bother with customization and don't mind using alt instead of the window key. I'm sticking to it until awesome 3 is more well documented, even though I can do basic lua.
[12:01] <O__o> lpr -o sides=two-sided file.ps
[12:01] <dutchie> ActionParsnip: don't worry, I'll sort it out once FF is working again
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> dutchie: could also try: sudo apt-get --purge remove firefox*; sudo apt-get --purge autoremove; sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get install firefox-3.5
[12:01] <O__o> anyone?
[12:02] <dutchie> ActionParsnip: should I mention this is Karmic
[12:02] <chuuk> Radtoo: I've tried wmii, xmonad
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> !karmic | dutchie
[12:02] <new2Linux> output of 'dmesg | tail': http://pastebin.com/m7c75461d
[12:02] <Radtoo> chuuk: Ah, now that's odd.
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> dutchie: karmic isnt supported here
[12:02] <chuuk> Radtoo: do you know how to change the keybindings on wmii?
[12:02]  * dutchie goes off to ubuntu+1
[12:02] <cividale> is anyone in here that can resolve me the front mic and cam problem
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> new2Linux: ok so the device is seen to attatch
[12:02] <cividale> please help me
[12:02] <dutchie> ActionParsnip: thanks for your help anyway
[12:03] <JonathanEllis> Can I display partition labels from a terminal without using e2label? I am in the middle of an install and the terminal has very limited commands and doesnt include e2label
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> dutchie: np man
[12:03] <Ozzah> Can somebody pls help me with dragging files onto launchers so that the file path will be the first argument in the launcher's target?
[12:03] <alexandernst> I want to upgrade python bindings for qt4, but python-qt4-common will be deleted if I do so. Whats the problem? (I'm on 9.04 x64)
[12:04] <Radtoo> chuuk: "xev" may help you to debug what xorg registers when you hit these buttons...and yes, changing keyboard mappings on wmii is slightly easier.
[12:04] <Alexia> ozzah can i send you a private message
[12:04] <chuuk> Radtoo: going to give it a try now, cheers for the help so far
[12:04] <Ozzah> Alexia: Sure
[12:04] <new2Linux> 'lshw -C network' output is unchanged ...
[12:05] <Randai> alexandernst: From what I can see it doesn't really do anything . . . I mean, its just a meta-package as far as I can see
[12:05] <alexandernst> Randai: So, I can upgrade without worring?
[12:06] <Randai> alexandernst: Should be able too, otherwise it'd tell you if it all the other packages it'd be taking with it.
[12:06] <alexandernst> Randai: Ok, thanks :)
[12:07] <Radtoo> chuuk: shortcuts are in /etc/wmii-3.5/wmiirc I think
[12:08] <smulcahy> I have ubuntu 8.10 and am using the forcedeth module
[12:08] <smulcahy> I'm trying to pass it some options by putting them in /etc/modprobe.d/options
[12:08] <smulcahy> but it seems to ignore them
[12:08] <Radtoo> chuuk: np, good luck
[12:08] <smulcahy> as a workaround, i've brought down the network, rmmod forcedeth and then modprobe forcedeth with the options
[12:09] <smulcahy> and this works, so the options are good
[12:09] <smulcahy> does anyone know why /etc/modprobe.d/options isn't working?
[12:09] <smulcahy> I've googled this extensively but most stuff I've seen suggests it should still be working
[12:09] <smulcahy> do I need to rebuild the initrd to get the options picked up?
[12:10] <francisfelidae> how do I find the program which uses the module garmin_gps?
[12:10] <Radtoo> new2Linux-afk: when you get back, it could help if you installed hwinfo and posted its output as well. (hwinfo = mostly the same as lshw but more verbose)
[12:11] <Radtoo> francisfelidae: Is that a kernel module? kernel modules don't usually belong to a single program...
[12:12] <francisfelidae> Radtoo, yes, it is. But I cannot modprobe -r that module because it is in use
[12:12] <Radtoo> francisfelidae: in fact most kernel driver modules just enable hardware, which then is accessible at a location common for the type of hardware. for instance, keyboards and mice ultimately get /dev/input/event symlinks and such.
[12:13] <R_A_S_H_> I was wondering if anyone could help me with a .rar problem i was having
[12:14] <Radtoo> francisfelidae: aah. well, that doesn't need to mean that its in use by a program, it can also mean that it is in use by another kernel module...
[12:14] <Radtoo> francisfelidae: "lsmod" for starters
[12:14] <francisfelidae> Radtoo, so can you give me hints how I can find the existing link or binary or dependencies or whatever which uses that module?
[12:15] <Radtoo> francisfelidae: modprobe --show-depends  is also not bad
[12:16] <chuuk> Radtoo: so, something came up
[12:16] <akm1> Does anyone know how to run multiple nohup jobs in the same directory but sending the output to different files? I don't want the jobs all appending to the same nohup.out file
[12:16] <francisfelidae> Radtoo, usbserial is used by garmin_gps, but garmin_gps isn't used by any module
[12:17] <chuuk> Radtoo: it turns out that after i open any app that requires GNOME (?) such as xChat, Firefox etc, the keybinding (Mod4+Enter) begins to work... :S
[12:17] <chuuk> Radtoo: also, the terminal that it opens isn't an xterm but a gnome-terminal
[12:18] <Radtoo> francisfelidae: you know, I think it is not always a good idea but in this case, why not just "rmmod -f" it... of course you could go figure out what program ultimately uses the module with lsof and co but I think there's no very convenient way to do that :)
[12:19] <sergeykish> Hello, I have a problem with pairing mobile phone, checked '1234' and '0000', created the /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf (there was no such file, why?) with passkey '1234' and restart bluetooth, but get the same. Can you help me?
[12:20] <Radtoo> chuuk: sounds a bit like the TERM variable wouldn't be set until then...
[12:21] <Radtoo> chuuk: what happens if you, say, export TERM="xterm" ? :)
[12:21] <Radtoo> chuuk: (hm... not sure if that works if its a child console tho.. guess its best to set it up before even xorg starts or something)
[12:22] <francisfelidae> Radtoo, hm... ok. thanks. I think I have to reboot. I wish I was back to windows. I could have the same problems there...
[12:22] <chuuk> Radtoo: That's what I'm thinking of doing...going to boot into GNOME and muck around with some settings for a bit
[12:22] <chuuk> Radtoo: brb, thanks again
[12:24] <Radtoo> francisfelidae, chuuk: np :)
[12:27] <est> Anyone with experience in setting up google chrome?
[12:28] <est> Just got the source
[12:28] <new2Linux> Radtoo: find my output for 'sudo hwinfo --network': http://pastebin.com/d103a037c
[12:29] <Radtoo> new2Linux: the entire hwinfo or at least including usb...?
[12:29] <Radtoo> new2Linux: problem is, it only counts as networking device once it is recognized
[12:30] <B_Lix> hi guys
[12:30] <sergeykish> I found /etc/bluetooth/pin it contain "0000", but it is not accepted by device, that is wrong?
[12:30] <B_Lix> whats the best mail client to access IMAP account
[12:30] <B_Lix> ?
[12:31] <Alexia> est, do you mind if I send you a private mssage?
[12:31] <Alexia> message
[12:31] <lazka> QuodLibet PPA: https://launchpad.net/~lazka/+archive/dumpingplace
[12:32] <JGodbout> Would anyone know of a program to fiddle with user accounts on a Windows partition? I need to be able to view all of the users on my Windows partition, and possibly change their passwords
[12:32] <tizbac> to view them use ophcrack
[12:32] <JGodbout>  Nah, don't need to view them
[12:33] <est> Alexia: no please do
[12:34] <new2Linux> Radtoo: sorry about that - new output at: http://pastebin.com/d1c1534f1. I think the adaptor info is shown on line line 5483
[12:36] <u19809> hi all, i have installed SWAT to administer my samba server.  I cannot login.  user gets rejected according to the log ... help !
[12:37] <kaushal> hi
[12:38] <hackoo> what is difference between dpkg and apt-get and aptitude ?
[12:38] <hackoo> and sypnatic too?
[12:38] <kaushal> can i get deb packages for http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/evolution-mapi/0.27/ in Jaunty
[12:39] <lstarnes> hackoo: dpkg manages packages, but not the repositories
[12:39] <Nielsen> apt-get is a frontend for dpkg - aptitude is a frontend for apt
[12:39] <lstarnes> hackoo: apt-get, aptitude, and synaptic are all related to apt, which manages repositories
[12:40] <joaopinto> niekie, apt-get is not a frontend for dpkg, it is a front end for apt
[12:40] <joaopinto> ops, Nielsen
[12:41] <Nielsen> ... well yes, that too
[12:41] <Leya_> hallöchen hier
[12:43] <dragonrigs> helo
[12:43] <new2Linux> Radtoo??
[12:43] <Radtoo> new2Linux: reading... :)
[12:44] <ironfoot_495> Hello I'm having problems installing vmware and trying to install vista can't get to work can someone help me fix this???
[12:45] <new2Linux> Radtoo: lol, sorry about all the lines!
[12:45] <livingdaylight> Hola Ubunteros
[12:46] <hackoo> lstarnes, ok
[12:46] <livingdaylight> I'm finding it difficult to remove wine apps from my menu list. Using Ubuntu 9.04 and having removed a folder i still see it in my menu the uninstall feature didn't work, so i physically removed it from the .wine folder; yet, the applications stil shows in my applications menu.
[12:46] <livingdaylight> The reason for the removal was because i asked to re-install it. If i reinstall the applications with the old folders showing in the applications menu, will that cause a conflict?
[12:47] <Radtoo> new2Linux: no, its great. all the hw info in one go :P
[12:48] <smn_> Hey guys and chicks :) I got a ASUS laptop and having some trouble making the > key to acctually print the > sybol when writing. the preferences of layout dont manage to include the symbol. Any way to assign the key the right symbol in ubuntu? like the windows has that keymap tihngy?
[12:49] <Radtoo> new2Linux: anyhow you're right, that's certainly your wlan adapter on that line. I guess that model doesn't have native linux drivers either (that's not from hwinfo but google btw).
[12:49] <Radtoo> new2Linux: So... i guess you have to use ndiswrapper :/
[12:50] <BlackDalek> How do I install the latest version of open office downloaded from the open office website? I can't find any install instructions....
[12:50] <new2Linux> Radtoo: what is the process I need to follow to use ndiswrapper for this device?
[12:52] <smn_> blackdalek: you already got a version of openoffice?
[12:52] <Radtoo> new2Linux: detailed guide here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper . though it is quite simple (although it usually doesn't work without pains)... 1. Install ndiswrapper. 2. Get a few versions of the windows drivers, extract them. 3. use "sudo ndiswrapper -i" on the windows drivers .inf file.
[12:52] <ironfoot_495> anyone familiar with vmware on ubuntu 8.10 trying to install vista on it.
[12:53] <BlackDalek> I want to know how to install the current version - the one in the repos is out of date (as usual)
[12:53] <Radtoo> ironfoot_495: I am sorta, but I'd recommend virtualbox.
[12:53] <Nielsen> ironfoot_495, which version of vmware?
[12:54] <new2Linux> Radtoo: thanks. How do you mean 'extract' the drivers? From the archive? The Netgear website only seems to offer the full software install package (no driver only) - what do you suggest, installing under Wine?
[12:54] <ironfoot_495> Radtoo 1.07
[12:54] <NetEcho> is there a way to repair a swap partition from the livecd while fixing grub?
[12:54] <Radtoo> new2Linux: yep. install under wine or in windows... there may also be ways to unpack the exe depending on what it is.
[12:54] <marie> slt comment faire pour le son soi plus fort
[12:55] <NetEcho> !english | mariuz
[12:55] <NetEcho> err
[12:55] <NetEcho> !english | marie
[12:55] <marie> no
[12:55] <marie> sorry
[12:55] <NetEcho> its ok
[12:55] <ironfoot_495> I keep getting an error  that won't allow me too install vista???
[12:56] <ironfoot_495> Radtoo
[12:56] <Alexia> please post the error ironfoot_495
[12:56] <NetEcho> ironfoot_495 join ##windows if its problems installing windows
[12:56] <Radtoo> new2Linux: if for instance "file setup.exe" indicates it is in fact a rar / zip or somesuch that can be extracted without wine.
[12:56] <aaron11> helo
[12:56] <Alexia> aaron11, hi
[12:56] <ironfoot_495> yeah but it's under ubuntu 8.10 ?
[12:56] <smn__> Hey guys and chicks :) I got a ASUS laptop and having some trouble making the > key to acctually print the > sybol when writing. the preferences of layout dont manage to include the symbol. Any way to assign the key the right symbol in ubuntu? like the windows has that keymap tihngy?
[12:57] <Alexia> smn_, do you mind if i send you a private message
[12:57] <grawity> smn__: X11 has the 'xmodmap' tool.
[12:57] <ironfoot_495> ok EXI just a minute
[12:57] <smn__> no i dont alexia
[12:58] <grawity> smn__: But, can you first try going to console (Ctrl-Alt-F1) and testing the key using 'showkey'?
[12:58] <smn__> grawity i have no idea how to use that tool. im afraid im to a newb to use it
[12:58] <ironfoot_495> ALEXIA JUST A MINUTE OK!
[12:58] <Alexia> ironfoot_495, ?
[12:59] <BlackDalek> I downloaded Open Office 3.1.1 from the web site.. I have ended up with three folders - "DEBS", "Licences" and "Readmes", and one file "Update". The Readmes folder contains no useful installation instruction - in fact it doesn't contain any installation instruction at all, except for system requirements and what to do if installation fails... so... How do I install this?
[13:00] <Alexia> ironfoot_495, did you need me to help you with something?
[13:00] <Radtoo> BlackDalek: why not install oo.o using the normal package manager?
[13:00] <Alexia> BlackDalek, it might be easier to install using apt-get
[13:00] <Alexia> BlackDalek, or synaptic
[13:01] <BlackDalek> Radtoo, I wanted to try the latest version instead of the out-of-date Ubuntu repos version
[13:01] <Radtoo> ironfoot_495: ... someone else already asked, can you post the error message or not?
[13:01] <Alexia> BlackDalek, sometimes though they dont update it repositories because it breaks something
[13:02] <Radtoo> BlackDalek: if you're prepared to break stuff, try the launchpad variants: https://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive/ppa ...
[13:02] <Leya_> Hello togehter. Have you recognised the terrible Breakdowns jesterdy Night?
[13:02] <Radtoo> BlackDalek: Still less risky than doing it any other way tho.
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> !clone > ActionParsnip
[13:04] <BlackDalek> Radtoo, hmm...ok I will look at that
[13:04] <nathanmarck> How do i check where a drive mounted to?
[13:04] <Radtoo> nathanmarck: "mount" on the console
[13:04] <Alexia> nathanmarck, i usually add the disk mounting applet to the panel
[13:04] <lijian> who use meizu M8
[13:04] <Alexia> nathanmarck, makes things super easy
[13:04] <flaviosnm> Morning!
[13:04] <ironfoot_495> Radtoo: could not openn /dev/vmnet1 No such file or directory Virtual device ethernet0 will start disconnect
[13:05] <Alexia> flaviosnm, Good morning
[13:05] <Radtoo> ironfoot_495: ... that probably isn't a fatal error though... anything else?
[13:05] <Leya_> Ohh no, the Update Manager is failing again!  I just got the latest updates an d then he wanted a partial upgrade. But as I wanted to run the Upgrade, I received an error-message...
[13:05] <nathanmarck> Thanks i got it
[13:05] <Alexia> your welcome nathanmarck
[13:06] <flaviosnm> Does anyone knows a tutorial for installation in the ubuntu?
[13:06] <smn__> terrible discconect
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> nathanmarck: you cant mount a drive, you can only mount partitions
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> !install | flaviosnm
[13:06] <smn__> alf ctrol and what was it ? :)
[13:07] <Alexia> smn_, f1
[13:07] <smn__> thx alexia
[13:07] <Alexia> smn_, that will take you to a terminal and then to get back press ctrl alt f7
[13:07] <ironfoot_495> Radtoo:ok It's working now WoW!!!
[13:08] <smn__> grawity the alt-ctrl F1 just takes me to a huge terminal that i cant close (dont know howto at least)
[13:09] <flaviosnm> sorry! I forgot the principal word...Ansys. Tutorial of Ansys installation in the ubuntu
[13:09] <Alexia> smn_, see my earlier message
[13:09] <ironfoot_495> I just didn't wait long enough!!!
[13:09] <grawity> smn__: That's a virtual console. On a fresh install, there are seven -- the seventh (...+F7) is running X (the GUI).
[13:09] <Alexia> smn_, ctrl+alt+f7
[13:09] <grawity> smn__: Ctrl-Alt-F7 will switch to GUI.
[13:09] <spoon-verry> #linuxeinsteiger.net
[13:09] <grawity> smn__: But anyway, go to the first one or whatever, then login, and use 'showkey' command.
[13:09] <Radtoo> ironfoot_495: okay...
[13:11] <Ozzah> Hey do you guys know if Alexia is in this channel often?
[13:11] <smn__> kb mode was UNICODE
[13:11] <Alexia> You can just ask me Ozzah
[13:11] <smn__> grawity
[13:12] <smn__> or alexia :)
[13:12] <Alexia> Ozzah, im on fairly often why?
[13:12] <Ozzah> Alexia: thanks for helping me with the multiple file thing
[13:12] <grawity> smn__: When showkey is running, press the non-working key, and check if it works
[13:12] <Ozzah> Alexia: it worked great... you solved my problem. I appreciate it :)
[13:12] <smn__> im on it
[13:12] <Alexia> Ozzah, your welcome im glad i could help
[13:13] <flixil> Hello. I'm using the ubuntu cdlive and I managed to get sound using the ubuntu sound manager on gnome. Is there a way to chose digital stereo IEC958 without using that sound manager (sound preferences)? Thanks
[13:13] <smn__> grawity i get press ans relase text. so its there
[13:13] <Alexia> smn__, are you making any progress?
[13:14] <Reggy-_> how do i see the speed of my ram blocks ?
[13:14] <vatts> which command would synchronise \\somecomp\photos to  /home/me/photos, only those which aren't inside? (somecomp -> ubuntu comp synchronise)
[13:14] <smn__> some alexia
[13:14] <flixil> I would like to know how to do it with console commands if possible
[13:14] <Reggy-_> how do i see the speed of my ram blocks, in terminal ?*
[13:14] <grawity> vatts: rsync
[13:15] <vatts> grawity: you could tell me this in ##linux, perhaps... ty
[13:15] <arand> flixil: alsamixer ?
[13:16] <Formatissue> Was wondering if anyone knows what program i need to use to format my HDD from fat32 to NTFS? Thanks.
[13:16] <flixil> arand, yes... but how to change the hardware profile in alsamixer? I found no way... I was playing with it before thinking of using this graphic app.
[13:16] <smn__> grawity Alexia i get press ans relase text. so the button reacts at least
[13:16] <Alexia> Formatissue, `you can use gparted
[13:17] <Formatissue> gparted was the name! thank you :)
[13:17] <Alexia> Formatissue, your welcome
[13:19] <smn_> alexia im back
[13:20] <boza> How to format disk with ubuntu ?
[13:21] <Trijntje> Hi all. In applications -> add software there is a star rating for each packet. is this rating based on the use of the application or the number of installs?
[13:22] <jef_> Trijntje, I think it's the number of installs
[13:22] <joaopinto> Trijntje, number of installs
[13:22] <jef_> Trijtnje, when installing Ubuntu you can choose to submit your data
[13:22] <jef_> Trijntje, but it's not enables by default i believe?
[13:22] <klaus_freestyle> hello
[13:22] <Trijntje> joaopinto: thanks
[13:23] <klaus_freestyle> someone plays chess?
[13:23] <Trijntje> jef_: true, but i'm helping translate ubuntu in my native language, and its better to do the popular apps first.
[13:23] <joaopinto> !ot | klaus_freestyle
[13:24] <klaus_freestyle> I cant start chess in 3d mode
[13:24] <KaiForce> for those of you using firefox/thunderbird, what are you using for calendar?
[13:24] <grawity> KaiForce: Mozilla Lightning.
[13:24] <grawity> KaiForce: It's an addon for Thunderbird, can sync with Google Calendar too.
[13:24] <KaiForce> grawity: sweet thanks, that's what I'm looking for.
[13:25] <klaus_freestyle> After I choose the 3d option, the chess dont start
[13:25] <grawity> KaiForce: There's a separate program Mozilla Sunbird, does basically the same but isn't integrated with Thunderbird.
[13:25] <KaiForce> i've seen sunbird, but since I was still using MS Office I didn't use it much
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> klaus_freestyle:  that 3d option has NEVER worked.. that ive seen.. in the last few releases.. Im not sure it has ever worked at all.
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> klaus_freestyle:  use the 2d options.
[13:26] <klaus_freestyle> thanks, but I cant start to change 3d to 2d mode
[13:26] <klaus_freestyle> it saved this option
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> klaus_freestyle:  find the config file the program uses and delete it i guess. or check the command line options for the program it may have some arguments
[13:27] <klaus_freestyle> thanks, I will try this
[13:28] <Reggy-_> is there any memory read/write/latency test program for ubuntu ?
[13:31] <Leya_> hallo zusammen, kann ich euch irgendwie helfen?
[13:33] <joaopinto> !de | Leya_
[13:33] <M> \who
[13:34] <Reggy-_> is there anything like sandra or everest for ubuntu ?
[13:34] <peterz> is that something like nagios?
[13:35] <hellome> how to stop a running script? if ctrl c wont stop it?
[13:35] <Reggy-_> peterz: i dont know, will nagios show you memory read/write/latency ?
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> hellome:  kill command with the right arguments, might.
[13:36] <hellome> dr how to do kill command "say the file name of the script is -- dopings.sh"
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> hellome:  check  ps , or 'ps ax' to get the process id. then kill the id
[13:37] <negev> hi, im running a hardy server and it has php 5.2.4-2-ubuntu5.6. i was looking for a ddeb earlier and the only one available is 5.2.4-2-ubuntu5.7, but if i apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade   there is no upgrade available for php. does that mean i need to dist-upgrade?
[13:37] <mazda01> hellome, sudo kill dopings.sh or maybe you have to know the pid number by using ps aux | grep dopings.sh
[13:37] <Reggy-_> hellome: you can use htop, to kill stuff. search with F3 and kill it with F9 :)
[13:38] <xanderdude> how can i tell ngrep not to print a '#' for every useless packet it catches?
[13:38] <wartalker> how to remove the path name in terminal, xxxx @ xxxx xxxx
[13:38] <mazda01> negev, do you have the backports repository enabled?
[13:38] <llutz> wartalker: change PS1
[13:39] <xanderdude> oh nevermind, it's -q for quiet, duh. :]
[13:39] <wartalker> llutz: how
[13:39] <hellome> my laptop reach critical temp when i make a script, i'm worried next time running bad written script... ( do you guys have a webpage showing how to type the commands to stop a running script?)?
[13:39] <llutz> wartalker: read bootprompt-howto
[13:39] <grawity> wartalker: the default PS1 is \u@\h \w\$
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> wartalker:  thats the bash prompt stff if you are refering to the info at the 'start' of every command line.
[13:39] <grawity> wartalker: figure out which one means the "working directory"
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> wartalker:  yes. the bash prompt howto - is a must read. :)
[13:40] <Vndmtrx> lol
[13:40] <mazda01> hellome, i said if it's still running you can fine out the pid of it and maybe kill it with a sudo kill pid#here
[13:41] <mazda01> fine=find
[13:41] <hellome> how to get the pid 3?
[13:41] <hellome> how to get the pid #?
[13:41] <stefan___> y
[13:41] <grawity> hellome: ps -ef
[13:41] <mazda01> hellome, or, ps aux | grep dopings.sh
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> hellome: or 'ps ax | grep PATTERNOFTHEPROGRAM'
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> dident we just answer that? :)
[13:42] <llutz> pgrep dopings.sh
[13:42] <wartalker> thanks all
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> time to check out 'bash job controll'  theres proberly 12+ ways to get the pid.
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> ohh pgrep.. thats one ive not used in years
[13:42] <mazda01> that's awesome, pgrep that is.
[13:43] <llutz> pkill to save one step
[13:43] <mazda01> that's what's so cool about linux. you learn something new all the time!
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> I always forget the specilized commands.
[13:43] <hellome> haha
[13:43] <hellome> :)
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> My fave however is 'unp'
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> !info unp
[13:43] <llutz> specialized? cli-basics! :)
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> llutz:  ps ax | grep  -> the basics. :)
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> i rember the old says when it was ps -ax (i think)
[13:44] <llutz> Dr_Willis: naa, too much typing
[13:44] <hellome> my amd turion x2 got almost burned by a simple script (reach critical temp)
[13:44] <hellome> haha
[13:45] <mazda01> hellome, not a good script then I would say.
[13:45] <SkyNetMaster> Hi I got crazy "Makefile:11: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?)." error, how can I convert all 8 spaces to tab?
[13:46] <BinWasel> hello
[13:46] <BinWasel> i need help please
[13:46] <mazda01> BinWasel, hello
[13:46] <BinWasel> hell mazda
[13:46] <mazda01> BinWasel, just ask instead of telling us you need help
[13:46] <grawity> Dr_Willis: ps ax (without dashes) is BSD style, ps -ef (with a dash) is SysV/POSIX, if I remember correctly.
[13:46] <BinWasel> pls i want to instaal  pakege deb
[13:46] <hellome> mazda01, my first time to write the script.... just a very simple one... ip sequence pings....
[13:46] <BinWasel> how to do?
[13:47] <mazda01> BinWasel, you should be able to install it from the command line using dpkg -i packagenamehere I think.
[13:47] <llutz> SkyNetMaster: use "unexpand"
[13:48] <mazda01> hellome, oh, have you goggled it. i am sure there are already plenty of examples to follow.
[13:48] <BinWasel> i did that befeor but the command lkine not atual with me no
[13:48] <BinWasel> now*
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> hellome:  check out the 'sing'  command. its a scriptable ping variant
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> !info sing
[13:48] <mazda01> BinWasel, huh? what do you mean the command line isn't with you now?
[13:48] <BinWasel> dpkg --install pakagenane  ... is that command correct
[13:49] <mazda01> BinWasel, if that's what man dpkg says than yes.
[13:49] <BinWasel> no
[13:49] <Pici> BinWasel: You need to be in the same directory as the file to do that. Additionally, if you have a graphical environment, you should be able to just double click on the deb file to install it.
[13:49] <hellome> thanks dr & mazda
[13:50] <BinWasel> ok pici
[13:50] <mazda01> BinWasel, theres a gui installer for debs. i think it's called gdeb or something like that allows you to just double click on the deb file from a file browser like nautilus or konquerer
[13:50] <BinWasel> but what  if the pakgename has tar.gz extention?
[13:50] <grawity> BinWasel: .tar.gz archive?
[13:50] <Pici> BinWasel: Then its not a deb package. Its a compressed archive.
[13:50] <hellome> i tried what is suggested earlier but not working for me --- stop a running script
[13:50] <grawity> BinWasel: 1) unpack it.
[13:51] <grawity> BinWasel: 2) look for a file called "README" or "INSTALL" inside.
[13:51] <BinWasel> how grawity?
[13:51] <hellome> anyways
[13:51] <mazda01> BinWasel, then you need to either look for a package that's in the repos or a deb on the internet or build it from the source files which are most likely in the tar.gz
[13:51] <tigsworth> then probably ./configure file :)
[13:51] <mazda01> BinWasel, tar -xvvzf filename
[13:51] <SkyNetMaster> llutz, thank you! :)
[13:51] <mazda01> I just got this when doing an upgrade. E: linux-image-2.6.28-15-generic: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[13:52] <grawity> BinWasel: tar xvf filename.tar.gz
[13:53] <Dr_Willis> grawity:  'unp' is less typing. :P heh.
[13:53] <Daniel1> Hey
[13:53] <grawity> Dr_Willis: But harder to type and to remember
[13:53] <Dr_Willis> its favorite  commands that people rarely know about day!
[13:54] <grawity> strlen("tar xvf") < strlen("sudo apt-get install unp; unp");
[13:55] <grawity> I wonder how many people know about 'less file.tar.gz' or 'dog' or 'sl'
[13:55] <Daniel1> For some reason firefox will not download anything, all downloads get stuck on 'starting' and update manager is also slow, is there anything I can do?
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> grawity:  how about 'zmore' (or was it zless'
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> Daniel1: is you ~/.mozilla folder owned by you? Is there space on the partition you are saving the file to?
[13:56] <Daniel1> definitely space, I'll check the ownership though
[13:58] <Hydrid> hello room
[13:58] <tigsworth> does anyone know what file /boot/grub/menu.lst is about please?
[13:58] <Radtoo> tigsworth: it contains the entries in the initial boot manager...
[13:58] <jigs> tigsworth that the configuration file for GRUP boot manager
[13:58] <grawity> jigs: GRUB*
[13:59] <jigs> yes, thanks for the correction
[13:59] <Radtoo> tigsworth: configures grub, in other words. you can configure that to specify to load what os and how.
[13:59] <jigs> can somebody where I can find the IPs of MSN of my contacts?
[13:59] <jigs> is there any plug-in or something for emesene or pidgin?
[13:59] <tigsworth> i was told to add acpi=force irqpoll to that file to help with mouse problems, does that sound about right?
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> tigsworth:  grub is VERy well documented :) you need to change one  line in that file then rerun 'sudo update-grub' if you want that option for all your kernels.
[14:00] <Radtoo> tigsworth: Its worth a try but I'd personally reboot and hit "e" to edit it non-persistently
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> tigsworth:  what Radtoo  suggests is good for a 'test' befor you edit the file to make it permenet.
[14:00] <tigsworth> thanks, i'll try it
[14:00] <jigs> any help for me please :D
[14:01] <Daniel1> folder was owned by me any other ideas?
[14:01] <grawity> jigs: You cannot.
[14:01] <jigs> can somebody where I can find the IPs of my contacts on MSN (i.e emesene,pidgin, etc.)?
[14:01] <jigs> grawity why?
[14:01] <grawity> jigs: Because that's how MSN works.
[14:01] <Radtoo> jigs: uh, not all of these protocols provide you with an IP, I think.
[14:01] <jigs> grawity on windows I can easily do that using netstat :D
[14:02] <jigs> I am newbie for linux, so I do not know how
[14:02] <Radtoo> jigs: uh, have you tried like.. netstat on linux? :)
[14:02] <tigsworth> netstat works on linux too
[14:02] <llutz> jigs: try netstat
[14:02] <grawity> jigs: Linux has netstat too.
[14:03] <serp>  Someone on the internet said netstat on linux
[14:03] <grawity> jigs: But MSN doesn't show you the other side's IP anyway, all messages go through a MSN server.
[14:03] <Radtoo> jigs: Even so I don't think it will work for all protocols. Of course it should work for the same as it does on windows. But some just go across an intermediate server. You only know the server's ip then.
[14:03] <jigs> lol, haha I didn't figured out, thanks guys
[14:03] <grawity> jigs: So I doubt it can work even on Windows.
[14:03] <tigsworth> i wouldn't trust an ip stack on windows ;)
[14:03] <IdleOne> hmmm I wonder does netstat work on linux
[14:03] <Radtoo> IdleOne: yes, it does. but its not the "windows" netstat... its just a linux equivalent.
[14:03] <Alexia> tigsworth, lol
[14:04] <IdleOne> Radtoo: :) I was being sarcastic but thank you for answering
[14:04] <tigsworth> what i would do is watch the router traffic
[14:04] <Radtoo> IdleOne: ah, sorry :P
[14:04] <Hydrid> how to make pidgin to connect to 3 channels simulationaly when i first open it???
[14:04] <grawity> Hydrid: Add those channels to your contact list.
[14:05] <shakaran> some channel for launchpad ppa?
[14:05] <Hydrid> grawity: you mean buddy list?
[14:05] <coolguy4> hi, I'm trying to install a 32bit firefox plugin using nspluginwrapper. The plugin is Flash debugger (Flash with debugger) and there is no 64 bit version. When I do nsplugin wrapper -i libflashplayer.so , I get  a message error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory . But that file exists in in /usr/lib
[14:05] <grawity> Hydrid: Yeah
[14:05] <Hydrid> :) thanks man
[14:05] <eka> hi all
[14:06] <Alexia> tigsworth, I love that "I wouldn't trust an ip stack on windows" thats so freaking hilarous I love it
[14:06] <eka> having the local mail account like myuser@localhost , how can I create an alias (this is the default mail account)
[14:06] <tigsworth> flashplugin-nonfree ?
[14:07] <shakaran> I upload a .deb to my ppa, and dput says Successfully uploaded packages., but in launchpad I cant see the packages, some wrong?
[14:07] <Pici> shakaran: Launchpad support is in #launchpad, they should be able to help you.
[14:07] <shakaran> Pici: thanks
[14:08] <Beefcakes> hello, i have a vgn-cr50b/pcg-5j6n, its a japanese vaio, does anyone else have the same here?
[14:08] <eurythmia> I tried using ipblock, and it completely b0rked my iptables ... is there some way I can regenerate iptables to a fresh configuration, say, what it would have looked like on install?
[14:08] <Daniel1> any more ideas on my firefox non downloading issue?
[14:08] <Beefcakes> im thinking of installing ubuntu because its preloaded with vista and its so slow
[14:08] <tigsworth> so web pages work, but downloading doesn't?
[14:08] <Radtoo> Beefcakes: wait, what? preloaded with vista and slow?
[14:08] <miTzaH> i managed to get 9.0.4 on a memory stick and make it bootable but it starts in console mode. how do i get the GUI working ?
[14:08] <homebrewcider> hey there, I was wondering, if I drop another hdd into my server computer, will it show up as another hdd as it would in windows, or just one massive one.
[14:09] <Daniel1> yes, thats right tigsworth
[14:09] <orion> help
[14:09] <tigsworth> another icon
[14:09] <Radtoo> homebrewcider: you need to partition it first and select a filesystem...
[14:09] <BinWasel> hi
[14:09] <orion> Wine full screen
[14:09] <homebrewcider> it would be fat32
[14:09] <tigsworth> have you tried, downloading in another browser? just as a trial and error?
[14:10] <BinWasel> how i can install package  rpm on ubuntu
[14:10] <IdleOne> orion: that was not a question, you might want to add a little more detail to it and ask in #winehq
[14:10] <Radtoo> homebrewcider: ah. well, then you simply decide "where" it shows up unless you let it be auto-detected. In which case I think it ends up in /media  after you access it.
[14:10] <eurythmia> BinWasel, alien
[14:10] <homebrewcider> is a sata hdd connected to a pci sata card going to pose a problem?
[14:10] <BinWasel> ho
[14:10] <llutz> BinWasel: you shouldn't do it at all. if you really need: use alien
[14:10] <BinWasel> how
[14:10] <miTzaH> i managed to get 9.0.4 on a memory stick and make it bootable but it starts in console mode. how do i get the GUI working ?
[14:10] <Radtoo> homebrewcider: as long as the pci sata card is supported, not at all.
[14:10] <eurythmia> BinWasel, but it's not nice. That would be your last resort (even further back than building your own deb)
[14:10] <tigsworth> rpms are for red hat, look for debs
[14:10] <Daniel1> no, as far as I knew firefox was the only pre-installed one, so how would I get another browser to try it on? Unless there is another one in which case what?
[14:10] <Alexia> Beefcakes, i dont have a japanese vaio but i might still be able to help you
[14:11] <homebrewcider> aha, cheers
[14:11] <Radtoo> homebrewcider: I might be able to tell if it is if you have the model or chipset - of course you could also google or just try it.
[14:11] <Beefcakes> Alexia: thank you, it's very much appreciated as im new to linux itself
[14:12] <Paulo39> does anyone can tell me which command gives me the environment that i'm in? like if i am in gnome or in kde
[14:12] <jigs> seems like I can not determine the IPs
[14:12] <Alexia> Beefcakes, what would you like help with?
[14:12] <eurythmia> Paulo39, you should be able to tell by looking.
[14:12] <Beefcakes> does anyone know of any software that can do an inventory in windows so i know what my hardware is?
[14:13] <Beefcakes> it's running japanese vista so i dont really know my way around
[14:13] <homebrewcider> Sil3114 chip
[14:13] <grawity> Beefcakes: PC Info, Everest, ...
[14:13] <tigsworth> grab epiphany from add/remove programs
[14:13] <nightrid3r> Beefcakes: aida32
[14:13] <Beefcakes> what's the best option?
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> Beefcakes: this is ubuntu support, not windows. go to ##windows for windows support
[14:13] <Paulo39> eurythmia: i know, but i want to make a script, which makes actions depending on which environment i am in
[14:13] <Beefcakes> i've downloaded and burnt ubuntu to a cd
[14:13] <Radtoo> Beefcakes: hwinfo32 - pendant to hwinfo on linux is my fav.
[14:13] <Radtoo> Beefcakes: in fact using lshw or hwinfo on ubuntu should also work tho?
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> Beefcakes: then you can run the hardware manager. this has nothing to do with windows if you are booted to ubuntu live cd
[14:14] <Beefcakes> ActionParsnip: sorry:) was just getting ready to get rid of windows so i know what hardware im dealing with before i install ubuntu
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> Beefcakes: you can also run: lspci
[14:14] <eurythmia> Paulo39, to a script, it doesn't matter. It's being run from a console session, which has no idea about X.
[14:14] <Beefcakes> is this 700mb iso ive downloaded from the ubuntu website (ubuntu desktop) a live cd?
[14:14] <eurythmia> ... for the most part.
[14:15] <dare> Beefcakes: yes
[14:15] <Beefcakes> i'd like to know if it'll support my system before i install it
[14:15] <Alexia> Beefcakes, yep
[14:15] <grawity> Beefcakes: Yes, the Ubuntu CD is both a LiveCD and installer.
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> Beefcakes: if it runs in the livecd it will work out of the box once installed
[14:15] <homebrewcider> the sata card has a Sil3114 chip
[14:15] <tigsworth> yeah so boot from cd, and try without making any changes
[14:15] <Beefcakes> oh, thank you, i'll try that
[14:15] <eurythmia> Paulo39, your best bet would be to write different scripts based on the session, but if you *really* want to go through the hassle, read about .XSession
[14:15] <Gnome64> How many of the people asking questions here read the entire Ubuntu documentation ?
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> Beefcakes: it can be, the desktop iso is, the alternate cd is an installer only
[14:15] <grawity> Gnome64: There _is_ the Ubuntu documentation?
[14:15] <grawity> Gnome64: Besides the wiki, thatis
[14:16] <Alexia> Gnome64, probably nobody
[14:16] <Alexia> Gnome64, Well no im sure some people have
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> grawity: all over, use wesearches
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> Gnome64: few, but were here to help
[14:17] <Paulo39> eurythmia: my problem is that i have a process that runs automatically when i start . is awn. but, i wnat it to just start in case of i am running gnome... now, i have gnome and kde, and when i enter in kde, awn starts automatically and i dont want that
[14:17] <kartik> Hi can any one help me with installing Video Drivers../?
[14:17] <dare> Paulo39: check whether gnome-session is runnng
[14:17] <Radtoo> kartik: ... hm, usually that's not needed, but explain?
[14:18] <kartik> i have a SIS mirage
[14:18] <kartik> i downloaded drivers from www.sis.com but i get the following error
[14:18] <Paulo39> dare, how can i do that?
[14:18] <kartik> X: warning; process set to priority -1 instead of requested priority 0
[14:18] <kartik> Fatal server error:
[14:18] <kartik> Server is already active for display 0
[14:18] <kartik> 	If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
[14:19] <kartik> 	and start again.
[14:19] <natrixnatrix89> hi. I have a network-related question. If a have a router at home that makes all the pc's at home have the same ip address in the internet, but they all have different ip's at local network. Is there a way I could access my computer from the internet? For example if i use vinagre from another house and want to see my pc's screen and I know both the routers ip address and the ip of my pc on the local net..
[14:19] <FloodBot2> kartik: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:19] <kartik> ohh sorry
[14:19] <dare> Paulo39: you'd have to write a script
[14:19] <Gnome64> I can see that myself. I was trying to help in my local forum, but after 120 posts there I stopped helping because people just can't seem to understand that moving to Linux/Ubuntu involves reading/learning new staff, unfamiliar to them, that can be found easily on the Ubuntu.com site.
[14:19] <kartik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/263101/
[14:20] <llutz> natrixnatrix89: use dyndns-services + routers port-forwarding ability
[14:20] <nightrid3r> kartik: http://ncc-1701a.homelinux.net/~linux-sis/index.php?page=Downloads
[14:20] <tigsworth> natrix, vnc?
[14:20] <natrixnatrix89> yep
[14:20] <kartik> which driver should i download
[14:20] <kartik> ?
[14:20] <Paulo39> dare: is possible to you to help me? i just want awn to just start when i'm in gnome,is that difficult?
[14:20] <tigsworth> port forwarding?
[14:20] <nightrid3r> kartik: they work good for my mirage
[14:20] <dare> kartik: xorg-driver-sis671_0.9_i386.deb
[14:20] <natrixnatrix89> doesnt really work
[14:21] <Pici> !who
[14:21] <natrixnatrix89> the port forwarding
[14:21] <coolguy4> I need some help using nspluginwrapper
[14:21] <dare> kartik: beware it only has video acceleration, no 3d graphics support
[14:21] <xikteny> Paulo39: check for the existence of $GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID
[14:21] <kartik> ok
[14:21] <IdleOne> Gnome64: the Ubuntu way of thinking is to help each other. Frustrating as it may be at times. RTFM is not an acceptable answer to any question. so when you get to the point where you want to tell someone to RTFM, go play a game or something :)
[14:21] <Paulo39> xikteny: how can i do that?
[14:21] <natrixnatrix89> which was the only free dyndns service?
[14:21] <tigsworth> i used ultra vnc on both pcs, had router to forward port # to internal ip and that worked ok,
[14:22] <llutz> natrixnatrix89: zapto.org?
[14:22] <natrixnatrix89> tigsworth - please tell me more about port forwarding.
[14:22] <kartik> should i install it
[14:22] <natrixnatrix89> Ilutz yeah.. thanks
[14:22] <xikteny> Paulo39: You's need to write it into a script, so it would depend on what you wrote said script in
[14:22] <grawity> natrixnatrix89: afraid.org
[14:23] <mazda01> natrixnatrix89, if you have a router which gives you a personal ip address then you need to forward a port to your internal ip address.
[14:23] <smn_> im starting school this week and we are going to lerarn to program... i so need a easier a way to make the <> symbols then copy-paste method. any idea how i can maybe.. link a button the the symbols?
[14:23] <tigsworth> http://portforward.com/  pick your router and your program
[14:23] <Paulo39> xikteny: ok, but i dont know how to write that script
[14:24] <natrixnatrix89> tigsworth: thank you very much
[14:24] <Radtoo> smn_: ... do you have keyboard issues?
[14:24] <mazda01> smn_, it probabaly depends on the text editor your using
[14:24] <natrixnatrix89> will try to study this
[14:24] <tigsworth> np good luck
[14:24] <Radtoo> smn_: even the most standard "us" keyboard layout should have them, and I don't think any other layout is missing them either...
[14:25] <kartik> when i try installing  xorg-driver-sis671_0.9_i386.deb i get this error...http://paste.ubuntu.com/263104/
[14:25] <smn_> radtoo im having keyboad issues, yes and say i want to use the text editor as program to write or kade maybe.
[14:25] <mazda01> Radtoo, he's asking how to link <> to a key so that it's easy to put those in place when writing code
[14:25] <c00w-cRr> co_keren
[14:26] <Paulo39> on kde system settings i can make a command to just run automatically when i'm in kde, is not possible to do the same thing in gnome? i just want to run a command when i am in gnome
[14:26] <smn_> radtoo ive spent the last 2 hrs with alexia to find out about the layout thing. and none layut matches my keyboad. when i hit the  <> button it makes a ' and a * smbol, the last symbol with shift
[14:26] <smn_> trying to work my way around the layout problem at this point
[14:26] <mazda01> kartik, that usually means that your / folder is full. what does df -h show?
[14:27] <grawity> smn_: xmodmap
[14:27] <c00w-cRr> #buntu
[14:27] <mazda01> smn_, oh wow, i didn't think you had keyboard layout issues. are you in the us and have a us keyboard?
[14:27] <Radtoo> smn_: silly question, what about using the "us" layout? :)
[14:27] <The_Jag> Hi, I need a little help with VirtualBox: I need to be able to connect and disconnect a usb device from the virtual machine multiple times during the session, and I want that device to be each time recognised
[14:27] <grawity> smn_: just read the manpage section that says about 'keycode NUMBER = KEYSYMNAME'
[14:28] <smn_> grawity im far to noob to use xmodmap
[14:28] <mazda01> smn_, are other keys messed up or just the < and >?
[14:28] <xikteny> Paulo39: Yes you can do that
[14:28] <smn_> ive just those two mazda
[14:28] <dare> The_Jag: if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. I've found virtualbox's usb support unreliable during my experience with it
[14:28] <Paulo39> xikteny: how?
[14:28] <smn_> grawity ive seen the site but i dont udnerstand how to do that.
[14:28] <mazda01> smn_, weird! and you're using the us keyboard layout?
[14:28] <grawity> smn_: "keysym somenumber = less greater" - replace the somenumber with the keycode from xev
[14:29] <kartik> mazda01 : the disk usage is not full
[14:29] <smn_> no im using a ausus laptop - norwegian
[14:29] <xikteny> Paulo39: on jaunty: System>Preferences>Startup Applications
[14:29] <Paulo39> i have gnome and kde installed on my ubuntu. i want gnome to have compiz active, but kde to have effects inactive.. is that possible? because when i disabled the effects on kde and then start gnome i have compiz disabled too
[14:29] <Paulo39> xikteny: yes..and then?
[14:29] <mazda01> kartik, well, when ever I get that error it's because there's no room for the system to save the user's Xauthorization file. are you sure /tmp isn't full or any folder?
[14:29] <eurythmia> I can't ping my workmachine from another machine on my network. Both have network access, and internet access. My work machine was fine until the other day when I installed ipblock on it ... now I can't even ping the machine. I've since removed ipblock, but don't know how to fix my settings.
[14:29] <Alexia> smn_, remember you said it mark a ' and a * character instead of the less/more symbl
[14:30] <xikteny> Paulo39: click "Add", fill out info
[14:30] <smn_> so much text here. graw and mazda care to send me a priv message
[14:30] <Alexia> smn_, so the key works but it gives the wrong output
[14:30] <smn_> thats correct alexia
[14:30] <smn_> correct again alexia
[14:30] <Radtoo> smn_: so, have you tried the "us" keyboard layout? I know it is not the same, but I suspect it might work.
[14:30] <kartik> mazda01 : if its full then how should i empty it
[14:30] <Alexia> smn_, and you said you have other keys too which give the wrong output
[14:30] <Alexia> smn_, im just restating that so everyone knows how to help
[14:31] <Paulo39> xikteny: and then?
[14:31] <mazda01> kartik, well, either it's full or it's not. what does df -h return? paste it at pastebin.com
[14:31] <The_Jag> @dare: ah, well... ok. funny thing is: I start virtualbox with no device attached but selected into the menu, then I attach it and it has been recognised. and if I disconnect it then I'm no more able to reconnect it... :( bah
[14:31] <gnomenklayture> hi guys, does anyone know how to export the package marking list by command line?
[14:31] <xikteny> Paulo39: if you create a new entry in Startup Applications, it should run whenever you log in to gnome
[14:31] <gnomenklayture> doing it with the gui produces a 0 kb plain text file
[14:31] <smn_> i got now model usa layout usa and same thing : '*
[14:31] <kartik> mazda01 : http://paste.ubuntu.com/263110/
[14:32] <Paulo39> xikteny: if i just do that, that command will run whenever i log in to gnome and whenever i log in to kde :S
[14:32] <natrixnatrix89> guys.. Which command in terminal would be similar to ipconfig in windows?
[14:32] <Radtoo> smn_: with us,  it won't be on the key its printed on... have you tried literally all keys? :)
[14:32] <Alexia> smn_, you also have the greater than and less than characters on one key together right
[14:32] <dare> natrixnatrix89: ifconfig ?
[14:33] <eurythmia> dare, you don't need the question mark ;)
[14:33] <mazda01> kartik, sent you a pm
[14:33] <xikteny> Paulo39: I _think_ gnome only... Don't have KDE here
[14:33] <natrixnatrix89> dare thanks :)
[14:33] <tigsworth> natrix, cat /etc/network/interfaces ?
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> Paulo39: kde uses ~/.kde/Autostart folder, put scripts or symlinks to binarys and they will be ran at kde logon
[14:33] <smn_> yes randtoo just tried that. no more less symbol
[14:33] <IdleOne> Alexia: does he have a Fn key? it might be something like Fn+shift+key
[14:33] <smn_> yes alexia the symbols are on the same key
[14:34] <smn_> idel one yes i have a fn key
[14:34] <Beefcakes> i have a usb 3g modem, a ZTE MF622, is anyone using that under ubuntu?
[14:34] <xikteny> Can anyone else verify that? "Startup Applications" is gnome specific, right?
[14:34] <Radtoo> smn_: is your keyboard smaller than standard? some mini laptop thing? :)
[14:34] <Gnea> tigsworth, natrixnatrix89: ifconfig
[14:34] <mazda01> Beefcakes, have you tried goggle?
[14:34] <natrixnatrix89> tigsworth: nop.. I just wanted to find out all the ip addresses..
[14:34] <natrixnatrix89> Gnea: thanks
[14:34] <ActionParsnip> xikteny: yes as it simply adds the right info to ~/.gconf
[14:34] <smn_> radtoo its a laptop keyboad. ----------- look here http://img4.imageshack.us/i/dsc00088bnn.jpg/
[14:34] <xikteny> ActionParsnip: Thanks, just wanted to make sure.
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> xikteny: np man
[14:35] <smn_> the fn key + shift makes no diference
[14:35] <kartik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/263114/
[14:36] <Psi-Jack_> Just out of curiosity, will ubuntu actually make use of onboard fakeraid, allowing it to use the raid stripes, instead of the actual hdd's directly?
[14:36] <smn_> its so frustratring :_(
[14:36] <fnky> hi, what packages should I install to get sound working in ubuntu-server (jaunty)?
[14:36] <fnky> under virtualbox
[14:36] <IdleOne> !sound
[14:37] <linduxed1> was going to start coding haskell, what packages do i need?
[14:37] <Paulo39> ActionParsnip: in .kde/Autostart folder i dont have anything, but the awn is still running automatically
[14:37] <dare> IdleOne: he's using ubuntu server
[14:37] <Psi-Jack_> fnky, Nothing, it just uses the system sound itself. Now if you have a new sound card that sucks, it can't lock the sound onto multiple programs, only 1 at a time, and I'll bet right now, pulseaudio's taking it up.
[14:37] <fnky> idleone: I just need package names, I'm not having trouble configuring it
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> Paulo39: then the session is being remembered
[14:37] <Radtoo> smn_: can't see anything on that picture, tbh. its some highly blurred photograph of a screen, but there's no keyboard?
[14:38] <Psi-Jack_> fnky, Sound is part of the kernel.
[14:38] <Paulo39> ActionParsnip: how can i do to the session is not being remebered?
[14:38] <fnky> psi-jack: I've installed ubuntu-server under virtualbox, it's an "ac97"
[14:38] <Psi-Jack_> Wait, what?
[14:38] <Psi-Jack_> Installed VirtualBox on a server?
[14:38] <Psi-Jack_> ARE YOU NUTS?
[14:38] <fnky> er
[14:38] <fnky> what?
[14:38] <Psi-Jack_> fnky, NEVER EVER EVER run X on a server.
[14:38] <Psi-Jack_> Even #ubuntu-server will say it's not supported, Canonical says, it's not supported.
[14:38] <fnky> psi-jack: I don't want X, just sound
[14:38] <smn_> im very sorry here correct pic http://img181.imageshack.us/i/dsc00087n.jpg/
[14:39] <xikteny> Psi-Jack_: vice-versa there
[14:39] <Psi-Jack_> And guess what. VirtualBox runs in X
[14:39] <IdleOne> Psi-Jack: he is running ubuntu-server in VBox
[14:39] <Psi-Jack_> Oh
[14:39] <natrixnatrix89> where can I find out DNS server addreses?
[14:39] <fnky> psi-Jack: no, I've installed ubuntu-server UNDER virtualbox :)
[14:39] <fnky> as a vm
[14:39] <Psi-Jack_> Ewwww. That's just as bad! ;)
[14:40] <fnky> psi-jack: well, long story short I want to prep this to be my fileserver+asterisk box
[14:40] <Psi-Jack_> fnky, And you want to do this under a virtual machine environment?
[14:41] <fnky> psi-jack: no, I want to prepare the filesystem, configure asterisk, etc, without running the box 24/7...and then transfer it over and config the new hardware (which will be similar) when it's done
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> Paulo39: if the session is not remembered you will need to add autostart items in that folder in ~/.kde
[14:41] <rakesh> hi everybody
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> natrixnatrix89: dig www.google.com
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> natrixnatrix89: the nameserver will be displayed
[14:42] <Psi-Jack_> fnky, Then why on earth would you even need sound? LOL   -- And why waste time building it as a virtual machine instead of just doing it?
[14:42] <Radtoo> smn_: I see. Thanks. Well, this is very regular position for these keys. I'd in fact expect it to work... suggestion, could you try a standard non-x console (ctrl-alt-f1 for instance, come back with f7 or f5)
[14:42] <mazda01> natrixnatrix89, cat /etc/resolv.conf
[14:42] <natrixnatrix89> ActionParsnip: so the DNS server addresses are the same for EVERYONE?
[14:42] <EsotericWombat> I'll sometimes lose my wireless connection and Ubuntu will say that my adapter is "not managed"  anyone know how to fix that?
[14:43] <Paulo39> ActionParsnip: ok.. but how can i do to not remember the sessions?
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> natrixnatrix89: you can set it as mazda01 said in /etc/resolv.conf
[14:43] <smn_> radtoo did that earlier today and the key works...
[14:43] <eurythmia> soo ... any way to restore IP tables *without* reinstalling ubuntu ... anybody? anybody?
[14:43] <natrixnatrix89> thanks
[14:43] <natrixnatrix89> found it
[14:43] <mazda01> natrixnatrix89, no, you normally use whatever dns server your isp is using but i use opendns servers.
[14:43] <fnky> psi-jack: I'd also like it to play sound out to my stereo system since it'll be sitting in the living room. as far as a vm, it's easier for me to config it that way when I have time
[14:43] <Radtoo> smn_: ah ha. so its just an x issue.
[14:44] <mazda01> natrixnatrix89, a lot of times, your router is a dns server forwarder but people run into problems because not many consumer routers are proper dns server forwarders. so I just set the opendns ones as mine
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> Paulo39: To fix it, go to Control Center => KDE Components => Session Manager and unselect the checkbox "Restore previous session".
[14:44] <Psi-Jack_> eurythmia, Eh? Why would you ever need to reinstall? The answer: Serious and completely unrecoverable errors.. iptables is not ever unrecoverable.
[14:44] <rakesh> cn anyone hellp me....when i online form for particular mnc....i getting problem in ubuntu that it is telling me to fill the form in microsoft window explorer.....so is that any alternate web browser in linux
[14:44] <smn_> radntoo seems so
[14:44] <EsotericWombat> it'll wink out sometimes the moment I start typing in a chat window or something
[14:44] <Radtoo> smn_: should make us both happy since that at least means that hardware wise nothing is wired up in an odd way in your keyboard. some ppl aren't so lucky. :P
[14:44] <smn_> radtoo seems so
[14:44] <smn_> im felling rewaly lucky >P
[14:44] <rakesh> actually i m filling online form
[14:44] <fnky> psi-jack: regardless...the vm part shouldn't even be part of the equation, since there are so many abstraction layers (pulseaudio, alsa, jack...etc) between the os and the hardware
[14:44] <Halitech> fnky, are you planning on running everything in a vm on the new hardware as well?
[14:45] <Psi-Jack_> fnky, Oi.. Well, is it a file server, or is it a stereo box?   And alsa isn't a later, it's THE linux sound system.
[14:45] <Halitech> fnky, then transferring from a vm to an actual install is not going to be easy and you'll end up probably reinstalling everything anyway
[14:45] <fnky> psi-jack: why not? people run mythbuntu boxes with samba on them all the time, for instance
[14:45] <grawity> rakesh: or just change general.useragent.override in about:config, if you don't want to restart Firefox
[14:45] <mazda01> Psi-Jack, a box could be a file server and output to a stereo. that's what my mythtv does.
[14:46] <fnky> psi-jack: ubuntu server is the base for ubuntu desktop, am I wrong?
[14:46] <miTzaH> I installed ubuntu 9.0.4 ona  memory stick using unnetbootin and when i boot from it it brings me to a console. What am i supposed to do next ? it's my first experience with ubuntu/linux.
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> rakesh: you can masquerade as IE then and the site will let you in. Opera has this built i and you can define what agent name you use for special sites
[14:46] <smn_> radtoo, no i havent
[14:46] <fnky> I can do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and install everything
[14:46] <Halitech> fnky, no, ubuntu server is just that, server
[14:46] <Psi-Jack_> mazda01, Oy. That's not a file server. That's a Myth box. :p
[14:46] <mazda01> Psi-Jack, i mean my box has tv capture cards and is also a file server.
[14:46] <smn_> and im a ubuntu n00b so be carefull on what you make me do :)
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> miTzaH: did you md5 check the ISO you downloaded? Does the verification of the device pass too?
[14:46] <Radtoo> smn_: ... you have, according to what I heard earlier you somehow set this to us under xorg before? what exactly did you try there?
[14:46] <DEBUNTU73> HOW TO prevent fsck on JUST the next reboot (even if ext2/ext3 parameters would say so) WITHOUT using tune2fs?? (So NO change been done to the ext2/ext3 partition parameters)
[14:47] <mazda01> Psi-Jack, it has 4 tb in it, shared out via nfs and smb, so yes, it is a file server and a mythtv box.
[14:47] <Psi-Jack_> DEBUNTU73, Why would you want to do that?
[14:47] <t__Eest> hey guys, can someone helpe me with xchat + ssl ?
[14:47] <smn_> i havent modified any config file
[14:47] <fnky> halitech: ah, my mistake. I thought it was the basis for -desktop. does that mean that it looks at different apt packages etc by default?
[14:47] <Radtoo> smn_: so you just used some gui selection thingie? :)
[14:47] <fnky> I just want to know what the 'basic' sound support packages in ubuntu are
[14:47] <smn_> just tried diff layout with the layout thingy
[14:47] <smn_> aye
[14:47] <Psi-Jack_> mazda01, Well, that's somewhat different. ;)
[14:47] <miTzaH> ActionParsnip I downloaded the iso from the .com website so it should be genuine. Right after i boot from the stick theres a menu with 3 options , default , oem install and a third option. I go with default and then it shows an ubuntu picture and loading it but then a console comes up
[14:48] <fnky> I'll figure out any config problems myself as long as I know the package names :P
[14:48] <Halitech> fnky, server has a different kernel designed for servers, there is a minimal install you can do that ends in a command line and then add what you want
[14:48] <smn_> quick question. how can i set the xirc to no show me all the people leaving or joining channel? makes me crazy
[14:48] <Psi-Jack_> mazda01, That's a Mythbox. I'll bet all the files provided from it are dedicated video, and music, for use with myth, yes?
[14:48] <Paulo39> ActionParsnip: i think i solved the problem doing on gnome: System > Admini > Start Window Session and unselect the checkbox to disable multiple sessions
[14:48] <Paulo39> ActionParsnip: is that dangerous ?
[14:48] <Psi-Jack_> fnky, #ubuntu-server is the place for Ubuntu Server help. And they'll tell it to you just like me.
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> Paulo39: not at all
[14:49] <smn_> ah found it :)
[14:49] <Radtoo> smn_: okay. just to make absolutely sure, open a console. type "xev". hit the > key as it would be printed on your keyboard. tell me the "keysym" number it outputs when you do press it.
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> fnky: if you do install the server release then install the desktop ontop you have gained nothing at all
[14:49] <smn_> working on it
[14:49] <mazda01> Psi-Jack, i don't know what you mean different. it doesn't serve out files that are from mythtv. it also has all my music, movies, and pictures. no, i use rhythembox for my music and the file server serves out files to my xbox xbmc and other computers. why is it so hard for you accept the fact that 1 computer can be a file server, web server, ftp server, ssh server, mythtv box and anything else I want?
[14:50] <Radtoo> smn_: I'd expect it to be 0x3c - that's 3c. :)
[14:50] <mazda01> Psi-Jack, i mean it does server out files for mythtv but that's not all.
[14:50] <Paulo39> ActionParsnip: nice, so i'll maintain this like that
[14:50] <fnky> psi-jack: thanks, I'll try there.
[14:50] <Psi-Jack_> fnky, I'll be waiting for ya there too. :p
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> mazda01: you can have it doing all that and more
[14:51] <mazda01> ActionParsnip, exactly my point.
[14:51] <dayanandasaraswa> Hello all, I want to about ext2 file system..Can you tell me the IRC channel of file system developers?
[14:51] <smn_> keysym 0x27
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> mazda01: its gona work the pc lots but it can
[14:51] <grawity> dayanandasaraswa: I doubt there's a channel just for that.
[14:51] <Psi-Jack_> mazda01, Because when you bog down a "server" too much, it becomes more just a mainframe in a small box, doing more the load than it's actually truely capable of in full.
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> dayanandasaraswa: #ubuntu-devel may help
[14:51] <smn_> hmmm does it matter what layout i got atm?
[14:51] <fnky> psi-jack: well then, aside from the 'should' or 'shouldn't' part..are you telling me it's impossible to get sound working using standard ubuntu packages under server?
[14:51] <grawity> dayanandasaraswa: ext2 is quite an old one, too.
[14:52] <smn_> im back on the most accurate 102 generic model norwegian layout.....
[14:52] <miTzaH> ActionParsnip can i query you ?
[14:52] <DEBUNTU73> HOW TO prevent fsck on JUST the next reboot (even if ext2/ext3 parameters would say so) WITHOUT using tune2fs?? (So NO change been done to the ext2/ext3 partition parameters)
[14:52] <dayanandasaraswa> grawity: hmmm..Can you get me the closest possible channel..
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> miTzaH: if its a support question, as in the channel
[14:52] <Psi-Jack_> DEBUNTU73, Again, WHY would you want to do that? Answer this time and stop repeating.
[14:52] <dayanandasaraswa> ActionParsnip: Thanks..I'll check that out..
[14:52] <miTzaH> ActionParsnip I downloaded the iso from the .com website so it should be genuine. Right after i boot from the stick theres a menu with 3 options , default , oem install and a third option. I go with default and then it shows an ubuntu picture and loading it but then a console comes up
[14:52] <Radtoo> smn_: wait, silly me is looking at the wrong number in xev. gimme a sec.
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> miTzaH: otherwise, sure
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> miTzaH: did you MD5 check the ISO file?
[14:52] <Radtoo> smn_: what's the keycode?
[14:52] <ikt> having a problem with wireless on my netbook, says wlan0: link is not ready
[14:52] <miTzaH> how do i do that ?
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> !md5 | miTzaH
[14:53] <mazda01> ActionParsnip, i have 8 gb of ram and a Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz
[14:53] <smn_> radtoo http://pastebin.org/13925
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> miTzaH: you have no way of knowing the download is complete and not corrupted
[14:53] <ghostknife> How do I disable runlevel services?
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> !bum | ghostknife
[14:53] <Psi-Jack_> DEBUNTU73, Well? Are you going to actually respond when you're question's addressed?
[14:53] <FedEx> Hello.
[14:54] <mazda01> hello FedEx
[14:54] <Psi-Jack_> FedEx, Hey! You're supposed to be at my house, delivering my stuff!
[14:54] <Psi-Jack_> Get back to work!
[14:54] <FedEx> It's just a nickname and I just think about Roger Federer.
[14:55] <IdleOne> yeah and Neo's real name was Mr. Anderson
[14:55] <smn_> i actually lol'd
[14:55] <IdleOne> heh
[14:55] <Pici> !ot
[14:55] <mistrynitesh> hello all, how do I make my 8.04 installation see an ext4 partition?
[14:55] <mazda01> 32bit with PAE is the best way to go if you have more than 4 gb of ram
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> mistrynitesh: you need to install the ext4 modules
[14:56] <mistrynitesh> available in repos?
[14:56] <sipior> DEBUNTU73: you can always set the last (sixth) field to zero in the appropriate line in /etc/fstab
[14:56] <mazda01> because 64bit Linux applications will use about 160% of RAM (compared to 32bit). This is because of the different memory addressing.
[14:56] <Halitech> mazda01, why not go 64bit if you have more then 4gig of ram?
[14:56] <Radtoo> smn_: and that's really the key with a "<" printed on it? :/
[14:56] <mazda01> Halitech, see previous post
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> mazda01: if you need the advantages of 64bit then 64bit will run better
[14:56] <smn_> radtoo thats the key i hit, yes
[14:56] <Halitech> mazda01, that makes no sense to me at all
[14:57] <mazda01> If you do not use special 64bit optimized programs (e.g. some sql apps etc.) then thers no point
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> mazda01: audio and video encoding goes hugely faster with 64bit
[14:57] <DEBUNTU73> sipior: it should not be a permanent change, im looking for something that works just like that /forcefsck file, but the oposit way.. to PREVENT such a fscheck on just the next reboot. nothing like that available ?
[14:57] <sincere360> Anyone here tethered there bb
[14:57] <mazda01> Halitech, that's just my opinion
[14:57] <ivan-linux> hy
[14:57] <sipior> DEBUNTU73: it's not permanent. you just need to change the file back after the next boot.
[14:58] <smn_> but it makes a ' symbol......
[14:58] <Halitech> mazda01, I have 64 bit with 3gig of ram and I find I'm using less ram then I did with 32bit, also most apps are going to be 64bit if you have 64bit version installed
[14:58] <DEBUNTU73> sipior: if i have to change it back its permanent. im looking for something that is a ONE TIME SHOT like that flag file i mentioned.
[14:58] <ivan-linux> i need help, can anyone tell me if i can activate Compiz effects on Via s3g unichrome proIGP??
[14:58] <Psi-Jack_> DEBUNTU73, Oh, so NOW you respond. Lovely.
[14:58] <Sam-I-Am> howdy
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> ivan-linux: if you have full 3d accelleration then yes
[14:59] <EsotericWombat> ugh.  I was just dropped again.  Does anyone know what to do when Ubuntu randomly stops managing a wireless device?
[14:59] <Psi-Jack_> DEBUNTU73, Well, I could've helped you, has you responded. But as of now, I'm ignoring you.
[14:59] <ivan-linux> yes, i have, but when i click to activate, it tells me thats impossible
[14:59] <sipior> DEBUNTU73: well, you can spend even more time looking for the perfect solution. or you can take 30 seconds and attempt the solution i illustrated. do as you like.
[14:59] <mazda01> ActionParsnip, you're correct. here's a good benchmark to show that. http://www.tuxradar.com/content/ubuntu-904-32-bit-vs-64-bit-benchmarks
[14:59] <ivan-linux> i have ubuntu 9.04
[14:59] <sipior> Psi-Jack: ease up on the passive aggression, tiger :-)
[14:59] <Psi-Jack_> DEBUNTU73, But above all, stop repeating. Period.
[15:00] <Sam-I-Am> i'm configuring a karmic box to use ldap for auth... noticed that both su and sudo return errors as if something is blocking them from certain system calls... havent seen this before.
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> mazda01: i can useeither with equal performance as I chat and web broswe so either will do
[15:00] <IdleOne> #ubuntu+1 Sam-I-Am
[15:01] <miTzaH> ActionParsnip i got the md5 using nero's md5 checksum and it says 66fa77789c7b8ff63130e5d5a272d67b
[15:01] <ivan-linux> actionParsnip: when i try to activate compiz it say: impossible to activate visual effects
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> miTzaH: does that match the md5 checksum it is supposed to have?
[15:01] <sincere360> Has anyone here use bbtether or barry? Which one does anyone recommend
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> ivan-linux: have you installed drivers for your video card?
[15:01] <ivan-linux> i think.
[15:02] <Radtoo> smn_: ...its not what I expected. I wonder if the keyboard model affects the key code. Otherwise I'm at a loss for an explanation why it works in the console.
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> ivan-linux: i'd check
[15:02] <sipior> DEBUNTU73: you might also try the -f flag for shutdown, but the man page no longer lists it, and it may no longer function
[15:02] <miTzaH> ActionParsnip Yes it does match
[15:03] <DEBUNTU73> sipior:  that sounds like a hot trace.. thanks ill hunt for that.
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> miTzaH: ok thats cool, boot to the usb device and run the verifier
[15:03] <savid> Hey all,  I have an internal bluetooth chipset on my dell laptop,  and my bluetooth mouse is _really_ laggy.    Does anyone know what might be the cause of this?
[15:03] <ivan-linux> ActionParsnip, how to check if i have the correct drivers?
[15:03] <savid> using ubuntu jaunty
[15:03] <smn_> radtoo why you say it work in console? if i hit the less thean key with active console it makes a ' symbol there to
[15:03] <phoe7> mutt does  not go well with ssh tunnel
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> ivan-linux: read: less /var/log/Xorg.log.0
[15:03] <Radtoo> smn_: i mean in ctrl-alt-f1's console...
[15:03] <Radtoo> smn_: you said it worked there, earlier?
[15:04] <smn_> it gives a press ealse info i cant remember, not the acctually symbol i think... let me try again
[15:04] <miTzaH> ActionParsnip how do i run it ?
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> ivan-linux: if it loads the s3 driver you are ok, you may also want to check some websites to see how its setup correctly
[15:05] <smn_> it makes a ' symbol when ctrl-alt F1
[15:05] <grawity> smn_: In showkey?
[15:05] <Radtoo> smn_: ah, then I must have misunderstood you before.
[15:06] <smn_> oh no wait i did not do showkey.... trying again
[15:06] <brassmaster> savid: do you have a lot of wifi traffic in your area?
[15:06] <ivan-linux> i checked xorg, it loads the correct drivers
[15:07] <savid> brassmaster,  yes...
[15:07] <ActionParsnip> ivan-linux: then read online how to set it up, make sure all is well
[15:07] <smn_> keycode 43 press and keycode 43 release
[15:07] <savid> brassmaster,  does wifi interfere with bluetooth??
[15:07] <ivan-linux> ok
[15:07] <ivan-linux> thank u
[15:07] <ivan-linux> :)
[15:07] <smn_> sorry if i fuc.kt up not intentional :(
[15:08] <brassmaster> savid: yes. if there is enough wifi traffic, it can be crippling for bluetooth devices. wifi is a direct spread spectrum technology and bluetooth uses frequency hopping in the same frequency range
[15:08] <smn_> specially when im getting so much help from you guys
[15:09]  * smn_ feels terrbile if he made it difficult
[15:09] <yacc> Is there an easy way to figure out if a given update is a security related update?
[15:09] <mistrynitesh> i am unable to locate a proper package to install ext4 modules for 8.04 installation, can someone guide?
[15:09] <brassmaster> savid: if the different wifi networks are spread out enough over the different channels, bluetooth's hopping scheme is usually good enough to avoid service interruptions, but if there's lots of wifi networks positioned closely together over the whole spectrum, that causes a problem.
[15:10] <chmac> After I hibernate (suspend to disk) and resume, /dev/video has disappeared. Any idea how to restore it?
[15:10] <brassmaster> savid: also, there seems to be a bug filed in launchpad about this problem
[15:10] <Pici> mistrynitesh: There is none, as ext4 is part of the kernel. You should be able to mount the partition as ext3
[15:10] <savid> brassmaster,  well, the odd thing is that it seemed to work better when I was using a usb bluetooth dongle (never experienced lag),  but I bought an internal module for my laptop recently,  and that's when I noticed it..
[15:10] <brassmaster> so it may be something that is specific to the bluez stack or your driver
[15:10] <savid> brassmaster,  so is it something that software can fix?  or is it a hard limitation?
[15:11] <coolguy4> anyone here understand how /usr/lib32 works? I have downloaded a 32bit package (a deb file), how do I get it to install to /usr/lib32 ?
[15:11] <savid> hmm,  ok.
[15:11] <grawity> coolguy4: I think you should just let dpkg handle the package.
[15:11] <Travis-42> is there a focus follows mouse feature in ubuntu?
[15:11] <mistrynitesh> pici: my 8.04 installation gives this message: "The volume uses the ext4 file system which is not supported by your system."
[15:12] <coolguy4> grawity: I'm running 64bit ubuntu. If I let dpkg handle it then it complains that the package is for the wrong architecture. I want to install the 32bit libraries for the purpose of running 32 firefox with 32 plugins
[15:12] <thiebaude> !ext4
[15:12] <Pici> mistrynitesh: How are you trying to mount it?
[15:12] <DRUID> y
[15:13] <brassmaster> savid: can you send me the output of 'iwlist scanning'?
[15:13] <Royall> My wireless internet connection keeps dropping (9.04, Dell Inspiron 1525 w/ Broadcom Corp BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)). I was just at another house where it worked fine all the time with the router. I think it's the router here.
[15:13] <mistrynitesh> Pici: from "Places" on the top panel
[15:14] <Royall> Like, I can't load pages on firefox often
[15:14] <Royall> But IRC works fine
[15:14] <Pici> mistrynitesh: Are you familiar with the terminal commands to mount a filesystem?
[15:14] <mistrynitesh> yes
[15:14] <savid> brassmaster, http://dpaste.com/88192/
[15:14] <sipior> Travis-42: unfortunately, i think we're stuck with sloppy focus from here on out. you can play around with the configuration resource editor, and set the mouse focus setting there, but i believe strict follow is no longer an option.