[02:00] <theShirbiny> elacheche, o/
[08:26] <Kilos> helloooo africa
[13:00] <Kilos> congrats elacheche
[13:00] <Kilos> married man now
[14:25] <leumas> Hiya All, just discovered this channel
[14:25] <leumas> Was searching for LoCo team for my country, Nigeria
[14:26] <leumas> Am happy to have found one for Africa
[14:26] <Kilos> hi leumas
[14:27] <leumas> Hi Kilos
[14:27] <Kilos> glad you found us
[14:27] <Kilos> im trying to remember if we have other nigerians here
[14:28] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams
[14:29] <Kilos> you can go see our site https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams
[14:31] <leumas> Seen, i am an avid user of Kubuntu and wanted to know if there was any LoCo teams
[14:31] <leumas> I was directed to the Ubuntu LoCo groups
[14:32] <Kilos> great. i use kubuntu as well
[14:33] <Kilos> with luck you can help get the nigerians motivated again
[14:35] <Kilos> leumas did you join us on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa
[14:35] <Kilos> join the mailing list as well
[15:34] <leumas> I havent Kilos..will do that later
[15:34] <Kilos> cool
[16:56] <Kilos> my connection is bad today
[16:56] <MarwenDo> hi Kilos
[16:56] <Kilos> hi MarwenDo how are you
[16:57] <MarwenDo> Fine :) what about you ? Kilos
[16:57] <Kilos> good ty
[16:57] <Kilos> do we have to say Mr. cheche now he is married
[16:58] <Kilos> did you see MarwenDo we have a new guy here from nigeria
[16:58] <MarwenDo> no ! Welcome Mr nigeria :)
[16:59] <MarwenDo> What's his name Kilos
[16:59] <Kilos> leumas
[16:59] <MarwenDo> hi leumas :)   Welcome to our community
[17:00] <Kilos> i wish the rest of the world was like us linux users in africa
[17:00] <MarwenDo> We are glad to see you here
[17:00] <Kilos> i am struggling with pakistan, bangladesh and india
[17:00] <leumas> Thanks MarwenDo
[17:00] <leumas> Happy to be here
[17:00] <Kilos> they cant get past the local conflict issues
[17:02] <leumas> Kilos: :) hopefully we can move forward and make Africa great through Open Source
[17:02] <MarwenDo> leumas, can you introduce your self ? :)
[17:03] <Kilos> that is the plan leumas , we are already connected from tunisia to capetown
[17:03] <leumas> Ok, am a Nigerian
[17:03] <Kilos> with in between guys as well and even mauritius
[17:03] <Kilos> i am south african
[17:04] <leumas> MarwenDo: you?
[17:05] <MarwenDo> I'm Tunisian , a student , 23 years old , I use Ubuntu Gnome :D
[17:06] <leumas> I use Kubuntu 16.04, big KDE fan, employed, married
[17:06] <Kilos> hehe ima month away from 65
[17:07] <Kilos> leumas do you know more linux users there?
[17:07] <leumas> Kilos: in Nigeria?
[17:07] <Kilos> yes?
[17:08] <leumas> Yea, some group of friends but i guess i have more interest than they do
[17:08] <Kilos> we have a guy who does many servers in kenya as well
[17:08] <Kilos> just invite them, when they see how friendly we are they will join as well
[17:08] <leumas> I formed a group on whatsapp just for us to update ourselves on the latest on opensource
[17:09] <leumas> yea, i did a while ago when i discovered this channel
[17:09] <Kilos> update them all about this community
[17:10] <Kilos> the tunisians are strong here
[17:10] <Kilos> and south africans
[17:11] <Kilos> theShirbiny where are you again?
[17:11] <Kilos> leumas what irc client do you use?
[17:11] <leumas> Kilos: Konversation
[17:12] <Kilos> i use konversation
[17:12] <Kilos> yay
[17:12] <leumas> Like i said big KDE fan
[17:12] <Kilos> haha
[17:12] <Kilos> mny use quassel
[17:12] <Kilos> many
[17:13] <leumas> yea....i guessed over the years Kubuntu has switched from Konversation to Quassel and then back to konversation
[17:14] <leumas> How long have you been using Linux? which distro/DE did you start with?
[17:14] <Kilos> i started with 8.10 gnome2
[17:15] <Kilos> when ubuntu switched to unity it took a year to switch to kde
[17:15] <Kilos> kde network manager gave lots of probs on kde before 14.04
[17:16] <Kilos> i can only use mobile broadband
[17:16] <leumas> Yea
[17:16] <leumas> Been on Kubuntu from the onset
[17:16] <Kilos> but now 14.04 is rock stable
[17:17] <Kilos> ill try 16.04 when its more stable
[17:17] <leumas> I tend to upgrade quickly once a new distro out
[17:17] <Kilos> i see many guys with bug probs
[17:17] <leumas> verson i mean
[17:17] <leumas> version*
[17:17] <Kilos> yeah many do that
[17:18] <Kilos> im happy with 14.04 because i never have to fix things, everything works
[17:18] <leumas> Really, i am runnng 16.04 on an old Lenovo thinkpad with the latest backport updates and am still cool...no probs so far
[17:19] <Kilos> i have a thinkpad here as well
[17:19] <Kilos> so thats good
[17:19] <Kilos> T410.i
[17:20] <leumas> Mine is T420i
[17:20] <Kilos> haha same machine
[17:20] <leumas> Core i3, 4GB, 250GB
[17:20] <Kilos> oh
[17:20] <Kilos> later
[17:20] <leumas> hahahaha...
[17:21] <Kilos> mine is i5 4GB and a 128GB ssd
[17:21] <Kilos> works well
[17:22] <leumas> i got this laptop to run Linux alon for the first time
[17:23] <leumas> I have been dual booting with Windows all this while
[17:23] <Kilos> i went through a pile of old desktop pcs first before my son gave me the thinkpad
[17:23] <Kilos> i wiped widows
[17:24] <Kilos> waste of disk space
[17:41] <leumas> lol
[17:42] <leumas> My main laptop has Windows on it, i hope to wipe it out somedayand install Kubuntu fully on it
[17:42] <leumas> it has better specs than the laptop am using now
[17:42] <Kilos> you use windows for work?
[17:42] <leumas> Yea
[17:43] <Kilos> ouch
[17:43] <leumas> So when i get home i switch to my Linux self
[17:43] <Kilos> lol
[17:43] <leumas> Have you tried out KDE connect?
[17:43] <Kilos> many linux users have no choice at work
[17:44] <Kilos> no i havent
[17:45] <leumas> Ok
[17:45] <Kilos> what does it do
[17:46] <leumas> I have been thinking recently how to engage more people to use Linux and open source in General for the good of my country
[17:46] <leumas> KDE connect helps you sync notifications from your phone to your PC
[17:47] <Kilos> people are very stubborn and scared to switch from windows
[17:47] <leumas> and you can send files as well
[17:47] <leumas> it connects both devices via wifi
[17:48] <leumas> KDE connect comes by default on Kubuntu and you can install it on your Android phone
[17:48] <Kilos> i just run the laptop now. have a desktop with 12.04 unity on but hardly ever even boot it anymore
[17:49] <Kilos> i only have an old nokia that can sms and call
[17:49] <Kilos> hehe
[17:51] <leumas> hahahahaha
[17:53] <paddatrapper> leumas: it doesn't on Kubuntu 14.04. But I agree, it is a very useful piece of software
[17:55] <leumas> paddatrapper: Yea, i think it became default from 14.10
[17:55] <leumas> I have been trying to make it work for a while now but no success
[17:56] <leumas> I have even tried to disable my firewall, ufw but that doesnt help either
[17:56] <leumas> What do you guys about the use of Open source by institutions in Africa and the oppurtunity it holds?
[17:57] <Kilos> i have a friend in france that helps peeps in africa
[17:57] <Kilos> join our mailing list i am about to forward one of her mails
[17:58] <leumas> I think Africa needs it most to develop fully IT wise.....we need to do stuff ourselves and create our own future
[17:58] <paddatrapper> What issue are you having?
[17:58] <paddatrapper> For sure. We also need the infrastructure to do it. There is great potential here that isn't being realised
[17:58] <leumas> On the app i should be able to see my phone once I have KDE connect installed on both devices
[17:59] <leumas> Yea, Govt needs to support that agenda but as we know we cant wait for them
[18:00] <paddatrapper> Sadly can't rely on government. But community can do a lot when they work together
[18:01] <leumas> I am thinking of coming up with very affordable solutions in education, health n for SMEs
[18:01] <paddatrapper> Are both your phone and laptop on the same network
[18:01] <leumas> yup
[18:02] <leumas> I have even typed in the laptops IP address on the phone but thats not working too
[18:02] <paddatrapper> And they aren't isolated from each other?
[18:02] <paddatrapper> Can you ping your phone from your laptop?
[18:04] <leumas> i can
[18:05] <leumas> just pinged my laptop from my phone
[18:05] <paddatrapper> Hmm... IP's correspond to the same network?
[18:06] <leumas> yea
[18:06] <leumas> They are both connected to my Wifi modem
[18:07] <leumas> Laptop is <IP_ADDRESS> while phone is ~.4
[18:07] <paddatrapper> Hmm... What's OS is your phone running?
[18:07] <leumas> I just fell it should work like charm but its not
[18:08] <leumas> Android 6.0
[18:08] <leumas> Cynamodgen 13.0
[18:08] <paddatrapper> It did for me. Literally just installed both and it ran like a charm
[18:08] <leumas> woah
[18:09] <paddatrapper> Kubuntu 16.04?
[18:09] <leumas> yea
[18:11] <paddatrapper> Mine was Kubuntu 14.04 and CyanogenMod 11.0... I'll have to have a look when I get home and see if I can think of something
[18:12] <Kilos> leumas paddatrapper is in capetown
[18:12] <leumas> Thanks paddatrapper! Nice to meet you
[18:12] <paddatrapper> Yeah so when I get home is about 20 minutes time
[18:12] <paddatrapper> You too!
[18:12] <paddatrapper> leumas: where are you from?
[18:13] <leumas> Nigeria
[18:13] <paddatrapper> Nice
[18:13] <leumas> :)
[18:18] <paddatrapper> I'm starting to realise just how much potential this channel has to improve, even in a small way, the technological state of Africa
[18:18] <Kilos> yes
[18:29] <melodie> hi Kilos !
[18:29] <Kilos> hi melodie
[18:29] <Kilos> chat to leumas , he is in nigeria
[18:29] <Kilos> tell him about your efforts in africa
[18:30] <Kilos> leumas melodie is the friend in france i told you about
[18:30] <melodie> Kilos is there a special reason to why you want me to do that?
[18:30] <Kilos> so he can spread it in nigeria
[18:31] <melodie> of course he should!
[18:31] <Kilos> my connection is very bad today
[18:31] <leumas> Hi melodie, nice to meet you
[18:31] <melodie> Nigeria is in North Africa, is that right?
[18:31] <melodie> hi leumas !
[18:31] <leumas> West Africa
[18:31] <Kilos> im waiting for him to join the mailing list so he will get your last mail as well
[18:32] <melodie> I have met Gildas today, who led the Ougadougou Fablab project where there is also a co-working space using Linux Ubuntu and also showing the young how to work with computers and Linux distributions
[18:32] <melodie> he did a conference in our Linux install party! the very first one of our new LUG in our département!*
[18:33] <Kilos> cool
[18:33] <melodie> leumas close to Mali, Ivory, Congo, and Burkina Faso then?
[18:33] <melodie> Kilos if you can display that page with your crummy connection:
[18:34] <leumas> well yea, we are surrounded by Niger, Benin and Cameroun
[18:34] <leumas> and then the Atlantic is South
[18:34] <melodie> http://ouagalab.org/
[18:35] <melodie> leumas ok
[18:35] <melodie> do you have a LUG there?
[18:35] <leumas> Woah great work!
[18:35] <melodie> Kilos I keep getting 500 server error, can you display it?
[18:36] <leumas> No we dont at the moment, I searched a while back and noticed one was created initially but is currently not active
[18:36] <Kilos> let me try
[18:36] <melodie> leumas same happened here, but I finally got to make it work.
[18:37] <Kilos> yes its open melodie
[18:37] <leumas> Cool
[18:38] <melodie> during 3 years, I organized an informal meeting around free software, called newspapers, wrote a few lines in some free no cost agendas, and gathered from 3/4 to 12 people at a time in one day, then last year suscribed to the nearest mailing list and at the beginning of 2016 sent a message there saying who I am, what was my path to Linux and experience, and said I wanted to create a LUG and everyone was welcome to join in
[18:38] <melodie> leumas this is how it worked
[18:39] <melodie> and now I continue to make it work, using this method seen at TedX (if you can access, I know connexions in Africa are not always easy):
[18:39] <leumas> Woah, that must have taken you out of your comfort zone
[18:39] <melodie> http://www.ted.com/talks/derek_sivers_how_to_start_a_movement?share=161fa539c1
[18:40] <paddatrapper> melodie: great persistence!
[18:40] <Kilos> yeah she doesnt give up
[18:41] <melodie> leumas a bit, but not that much. I find it rewarding to see that today we had our very first meeting, I did a presentation with video projection, and explaining the economies and the ecology and why GNU/Linux and there were so many poeple who can and attended, it was great!
[18:41] <melodie> and everyone in the team who had been able to come participated very actively!
[18:42] <melodie> we had a Mageia, a Fedora, several Ubuntu to show and let people try and test...
[18:42] <melodie> it was inauguration day also today
[18:43] <melodie> paddatrapper that's what it takes... 12 years now using a computer, only the 3 first months with Windows. I'm a very stubborn one :D
[18:43] <Kilos> haha
[18:45] <leumas> All i can say is a resounding well done to all your efforts and  congrats on achieving so much milestones
[18:46] <leumas> The video was very insighful too, thanks for that. I will have to pick the learnings and practice
[18:46] <leumas> I will have to move to get your space soon
[18:47] <leumas> I have the ISO files of about 11 distros on my laptop ready to introduce/install for anyone who needs it and share my ll knowledge with them as well
[18:48] <leumas> I really feel inspired by your experience melodie!
[18:48] <leumas> Kilos: I have joined the comunity on Launchpad
[18:48] <leumas> Awaiting approval
[18:49] <Kilos> cool leumas
[18:49] <melodie> leumas wonderful!
[18:50] <Kilos> you see how many members we have there
[18:50] <melodie> Kilos Burkina Faso will be joining soon!
[18:50] <melodie> Gildas/Ougadougou
[18:51] <Kilos> one of then did chat with me a while back
[18:52] <melodie> Kilos great!
[18:52] <melodie> today he told me he now IRC
[18:52] <melodie> some of our newcomers here have never heard of IRC, which makes African people more advanced than some European ones! XD XD XD
[18:53] <melodie> he knows* IRC
[18:53] <Kilos> but he never joined on lp or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams
[18:53] <melodie> give him time?
[18:53] <melodie> I'll send him your mail address in a few days, if you want me to?
[18:53] <Kilos> yes please
[18:54] <Kilos> or tell him how to get here
[18:54] <Kilos> mails arent my favourite way of doing things
[18:54] <Kilos> im an irc person
[18:55] <Kilos> leumas youve been approved. now can you join the mailing list there
[18:55] <Kilos> ?
[18:56] <Kilos> then ill forward melodie s mail
[18:56] <Kilos> then all africa has it
[18:56] <leumas> Kilos: Cool
[18:57] <melodie> Kilos I told him about #ubuntu-africa but if he does not get in touch within a week or two, I'll send him a mail so you can connect together. but he told me he will!
[18:57] <melodie> they even have a good internet in their fablab! fancy?
[18:57] <Kilos> cool, ty melodie
[18:57] <leumas> I can see am already subscribed to the mailing list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:58] <leumas> is there any other mailing list?
[18:58] <Kilos> great leumas
[18:58] <Kilos> not yet when we have time we are moving off lp mail
[18:58] <leumas> Alright
[18:59] <melodie> Kilos my pleasure
[18:59] <Kilos> the LP list is buggy
[19:01] <Kilos> check if you got that one leumas
[19:02] <leumas> An email?
[19:02] <Kilos> yes in the list
[19:02] <Kilos> more of melodies work
[19:03] <Kilos> she is involved with everything
[19:03] <Kilos> very busy lady
[19:03] <leumas> Sorry i need some guidance, how do go about that?
[19:04] <Kilos> oh dont you use thunderbird mail
[19:07] <melodie> leaving, good night!
[19:09] <leumas> Oh, seen. I can read it from the archives
[19:12] <Kilos> i get my mail downloaded to pc with thunderbird mail client using pop
[19:17] <Kilos> then you get an alert when a new mail arrives
[19:39] <Kilos> sleep tight africa
[19:40] <marwen_> Good night Kilos
[20:34] <acetakwas> Hi leumas
[20:34] <acetakwas> Fellow Nigerian here
[20:41] <leumas> Hi Acetakwas
[20:58] <leumas> paddatrapper: Hi, All of a sudden KDE connect is working!
[20:58] <leumas> I didnt make any change
[20:58] <leumas> it just came up, I have paired both devices together
[21:05] <leumas> hi acetakwas
[21:07] <leumas> Hi paddatrapper
[21:07] <leumas> My KDE connect is working fine now
[21:08] <acetakwas> leumas::  Hi
[21:08] <acetakwas> What part of Nigeria are you in?
[21:08] <acetakwas> I'm guess your real name is Samuel.
[21:09] <leumas> Am from Imo State, based in Lagos, u?
[21:09] <acetakwas> Oh cool
[21:09] <acetakwas> From Osun State. Resident in Lagos too.
[21:09] <leumas> yea, thats my name
[21:09] <acetakwas> :)
[21:09] <leumas> :)
[21:09] <acetakwas> Well.... glad to have you here.
[21:09] <leumas> Nice to meet you!!
[21:10] <acetakwas> In all of my IRC-ing. You are the third Nigerian I'm having to chat with.
[21:10] <leumas> hahahaha
[21:10] <acetakwas> Nogerians don't do much IRC-ing.
[21:10] <acetakwas> s/Nogerians/Nigerians
[21:11] <leumas> IMHO IRC is a Linux thing
[21:11] <acetakwas> Well. That might be a valid reason.
[21:11] <leumas> Most ppl stick with the mobile chat platforms or Skype on PC
[21:12] <acetakwas> Yes
[21:12] <acetakwas> Linux encourages the use of IRC by given a default client on most distros
[21:13] <acetakwas> Pidgin comes with Ubuntu for instance
[21:13] <leumas> Am happy to have met you here, whats your fav distro?
[21:13] <acetakwas> Well... I haven't explored many distros
[21:13] <leumas> Yea Konversation comes with Kubuntu which is what I use
[21:13] <acetakwas> I have always used Ubuntu predominantly
[21:13] <leumas> Okay, cool
[21:13] <acetakwas> Only trying out Backtrack (before it went defunct)
[21:14] <acetakwas> And Fedora
[21:14] <leumas> I have been stuck with Kubuntu from day 1, tried other distros but still see Kubuntu as my main distro
[21:14] <acetakwas> I celebrated 4 years of a permanent Linux shift two days ago
[21:15] <acetakwas> Nice
[21:15] <leumas> I have Kali on a netbook which i boot up fro time o time
[21:15] <acetakwas> I use LXDE on Ubuntu
[21:15] <leumas> Woah, good for you man!
[21:15] <acetakwas> Yes, life has never been the same
[21:15] <acetakwas> Especially as a developer
[21:16] <acetakwas> There's a lot more support for Linux out of the box
[21:16] <leumas> I have been dual booting all this while but I got a fairly used laptop and installed Kubuntu on it straight up
[21:16] <leumas> Yea, you are absolutely right
[21:20] <leumas> Am yet to make the full switch, hopefully in the near future
[21:22] <acetakwas> Aah. You should.
[21:22] <acetakwas> I have dual boot setup with Win 8 too
[21:22] <acetakwas> But I only use Windows once in a blue moon
[21:27] <paddatrapper> leumas: great to hear!
[21:50] <leumas> paddatrapper: thanks once again


[17:45] <vlah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70wKXRN7V4w
[18:07] <vlah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Bl2GZR4C8
[18:51] <vlah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzOqSbwPGkw
[19:28] <vlah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNgJbxg0K5A


[00:43] <Bashing-om> Membership application: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/minseong-cho-membership-application/32726/4 repectfully declined by mapreri and myself.
[00:50] <sarnold> :(
[01:00] <Bashing-om> sarnold: ^ advised to re-submit his application when the minimum requirements are met :D
[01:04] <sarnold> Bashing-om: I hope so :)


[01:27] <dudefang> Hey. Anyone here tried Lubuntu 12.04 on a Dell Latitude D800?
[02:58] <pmatulis> nope
[03:17] <IboS> dudefang: nope
[03:17] <IboS> dudefang: you can open the way !
[04:54] <tty007> hi, i get on a powermac where is Lubuntu 12.04 install an l1 cache eror. Can anyone tell me what there is wrong maybe?
[04:56] <holstein> tty007: i would probably just try an earlier version... but first i would verifiy the sum
[04:56] <holstein> !md5
[04:57] <tty007> no i have it already installed but the message in kernel log appears when i try to startx sorry
[04:59] <holstein> tty007: i would try safe graphics mode
[04:59] <holstein> tty007: put an xorg.conf in place with the vesa driver specified
[05:00] <tty007> hm y i  tried it with vesa driver
[05:01] <holstein> tty007: and? no change? how about from the live cd? are you sure its not bad memory or hard drive?
[05:01] <tty007> hm graphics card is an ati radeon 9000 RV 250
[05:02] <tty007> mh i dont sure but i dont know how i can check memory on powermac
[05:02] <holstein> tty007: theres no memtest on the live CD?
[05:02] <tty007> y no change
[05:03] <tty007> i dont think so
[05:03] <holstein> tty007: i would confirm that
[05:03] <tty007> or maybe i try on yaboot prompt memtest
[05:03] <tty007> ok ty
[06:41] <BWMerlin> I have installed keepass2 under mono fine
[06:41] <BWMerlin> and it is working well
[06:41] <BWMerlin> but I cannot get my plugin to show up in keepass
[07:00] <kanliot> BWMerlin, what's the lubuntu question?
[07:00] <BWMerlin> It runs on lubuntu
[07:00] <BWMerlin> yeah not really lubuntu related by needed help so thought someone here might be able to
[07:01] <kanliot> feel free to ask
[07:01] <kanliot> but i dont know what a keepass plugin is
[07:02] <BWMerlin> the plugin in this case allows my passwords to be transferred from keepass to firefox and back again so I can get logged into a website
[07:03] <BWMerlin> just wondering how I go about troubleshooting my keepass is not finding it listed
[07:05] <kanliot> no idea if it's the ff plugin or keypass
[07:08] <BWMerlin> Well as I open keepass up and go view plugins I want to start there
[07:08] <BWMerlin> why can keepass not find the keepass plugin
[07:08] <BWMerlin> then i can worry about whether or not the two programmes can talk to each other
[07:12] <NUCLEARWINTER> actually program like keepass is not that useful. you could write up all your passwords to a piece of paper if you just use 4 or more digits pincode in front or behind of the passcode
[07:13] <NUCLEARWINTER> that way your password would still be really secure, but it would be even easier to remember
[07:25] <BWMerlin> I have made some progress
[07:25] <BWMerlin> it seem that under linux the keepass plugin I won't does work so I have to use two .dll files instead which I am
[07:25] <BWMerlin> so that problem is taken care of
[07:25] <BWMerlin> next thing is to get firefox to talk to keepass
[07:41] <BWMerlin> WOOT!! complete and utter win
[07:42] <BWMerlin> the problem was when I downloaded the required files from github they did not download correct
[07:42] <BWMerlin> downloaded the project as a zip, extracted what I needed and replaced the files I had with the new ones
[07:42] <BWMerlin> keepass now see the plugin and firefox can talk to keepass
[07:42] <BWMerlin> all is well
[07:43] <kanliot> nice
[07:56] <abc> whats irc channel for talking about 12.10? It was something like ubuntu-next but im not sure
[07:56] <Unit193> #ubuntu+1
[13:19] <ryan_moore> hey everyone. i just installed lubuntu 12.04 on my dell d800 and i'm having some trouble. all my icons are fuzzy and i'm trying to get an nvidia driver thatll support my Ti4200
[13:20] <ryan_moore> any help'd be much obliged
[14:07] <ryan_moore> anyone had luck with the X SWAP PPA and nvidia-current with an older nvidia card under 12.04?
[14:52] <a_b0y> how to you set extended display? thanks
[19:35] <alp> Hey, how can i disable the annoying update-manager popup at startup?
[19:35] <alp> I use synaptic for updates.
[19:44] <gomiboy> alp: one way is to execute lxsession-edit and uncheck 'Update Notifier'
[22:35] <MashDog> Trying to install lubuntu 12.04 from usb for first time on 7year old Dell Inspiron 1300.  System hangs each time at the 'checking hardware' screen.  Any suggestions to get past this?
[22:39] <kanliot> how much ram
[22:39] <kanliot> how far do you get into the desktop installer
[22:39] <kanliot> you said checking hardware not sure if that's past the "do something else" screen
[22:43] <MashDog> it gets past choosing time zone and downloading language packs - probably about 50% of install at least
[22:43] <kanliot> how much ram?
[22:43] <MashDog> 2GB
[22:44] <MashDog> just trying XP :(
[22:44] <kanliot> that's plenty of ram
[22:44] <kanliot> expecially for a pc 7 years old
[22:45] <kanliot> please double-check the ram
[22:45] <kanliot> then you might check your hardware
[22:45] <kanliot> video card compatibility and then cpu overheating
[22:46] <MashDog> ok - I seem to recall upgrading the ram a while back - but will double check
[22:46] <kanliot> there's a ram test when you boot
[22:46] <kanliot> the livecd
[22:48] <kanliot> you have intel GMA 900 graphics on that
[22:48] <MashDog> yep 2039M
[22:51] <kanliot> i don't have an answer, but i encourage you to stay in this channel
[22:52] <kanliot> or ask in #ubuntu or the forum
[22:52] <MashDog> thanks - will keep plugging away
[22:54] <jmarsden> MashDog: Try some boot parameters that could help... I'd try (one at a time!) noacpi, nomodeset, or i915.modeset=0
[23:12] <MashDog> noacpi:  looking promising!
[23:13] <MashDog> has got past 'detecting hardware' this time
[23:14] <jmarsden> MashDog: Good.  You may find that leads to other inconveniences, such as not being able to control CPU fans or low battery life etc, but at least it (hopefully) gets you a working installation.
[23:15] <jmarsden> I don't have GMA900 hardware here, but I think that if i195.modeset=0 works on your setup that could be the lowest impact workaround for you.  Try all three and see which one you like :)
[23:16] <MashDog> thanks - your advice is appreciated
[23:17] <jmarsden> MashDog: You're welcome.


 Hi, i have a question , is it true that the U-Touch 16.04 beat was ported to the HTC 10 ?
 16.04 beta :)
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 Well, sorta. We're trying to get it to work.
 Dalton
 what?
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 the HTC 10?
 Yes
 ok, what do you mean
 should i buy the
 nexus 5 or htc 10?
 I mean we have a ported Halium 7.1 base and a 16.04 image that is supposed to work. It does not work. We need to make it work. Then write the information so other people can make it work.
 what is better for the future?
 I don't speculate on the future
 ok thx , where can i read about it?
 about the halium work
 Hmm, there isn't really anywhere dedicated to that
 i have a nexus 4
 but it will be not work on a 16.04 base
 and i will stay with U-Touch
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 @wilhelm96, Welcome to the group!
 @Montefrio, Nexus 5 works now and will work later. HTC 10 does not work now, but probably will in the future. … You decide
 me and @mariogrip are working on it now
 [device-port] [pme] Port to HTC 10 · Issue #28 · Halium/projectmanagement · GitHub … https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/28
 @vanyasem, you can view progress here
 OK good to know
 THX
 as you may see, we're working on it for 2 weeks. so you wouldn't expect much at that point
 Coming soon to an Ubuntu Touch device Near you... … ... Or not... … https://soundcloud.com/ubports/movie-trailer-supergroups-2017
 @wayneoutthere, 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/wOPz9HR0/file_1487
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 @mmmikhael, welcome
 Thanks 😊
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 Good Morning!! … Just a question guys! Is it possible to have WhatsApp on Ubuntu Touch as a unofficial app like Disa for Android? It's a must-have app for me because I depend of that app for my job and my family 😝 … I really want to use Ubuntu Touch on my OPO but I need WhatsApp working 😔
 I'm not a developer, just a Ubuntu enthusiastic
 So, I don't know how can I help to make UT great!
 I'm stuck on Android 😭
 LoquiIM
 @malditobastardo, 😱😱😱
 So... I have a good plan for this saturday 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
 thank you for your anwser :)
[08:15] <tgBot> <red adaya> any plans on supporting Xiaomi Mi A1? 😊
 Hi, Any plans to address the WPA2 security bug with an OTA r3?
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 @SergioSRM, As far as I know loquiIM works but it's a beta program by other way you will be infringing whatsapp terms, so you can be banned from service. Maybe it won't happen but you should take it in mind.
 @SergioSRM, Any way, enjoy ubuntu with us
 I use web interface of telegram. I did webapp for it. Works good, but no notifications..
 @j2g2rp, Thank you for your warning! I think that I can go back to Android if something goes wrong! 😓
 I didnt get loguilm app working at all. That why I did webapp for it..
 @samitormanen, But you are talking about Telegram? We were talking about Whatsapp😅
 Ahh, sorry 🙈
 Well I did webapp for whatsapp also and i use that sometimes..
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 @GermoVeltmaat, welcome
 @samitormanen, A webapp? 🤔so, you need an android device to keep WhatsApp Web working? Or it's not needed?
 Yes, I have android tablet at home.
 I use that webapp wazzup when on the road. No notifications but it doesnt matter to me..
 @SergioSRM, Thats how i do it yes
 Hi, how long does Nexus 5 battery last with Ubuntu?
 @GiovanniStaiano, For me maybe +2 days light usage and 1 day in harder usage. Wifi saves battery a lot comparing to mobiledata..
 1 day for sure
 Sometimes network things go crazy and cpu hangs 100% and drain my battery in few hours.. ☹
 Luckily it doesnt happen very often.
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/xTu0x1Cf/file_1489.jpg
 @neothethird yay! managed to install from source and it now seems to find the fp2
 without killing adb server
 Try to install 16.04 again
 You can do it
 oh boy :D
 let's see
 😺😺✊
 muhahaha
 (Photo, 1280x768) https://irc.ubports.com/Ma8gF0yR/file_1491.jpg
 YAY
 to install i had to run ubuntu-installer from source (snap,appimage didn't recognise teh phone) https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer
 after that it was pretty much uneventfull
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/F1mlbMtn/file_1492.mp4
 @popescu_sorin, What does work in 16.04 at the moment?
 some apps
 dialer, terminal seems to load, file manager doesn't
 music crashes
 system settings load and it's the new system settings
 @popescu_sorin, Whats new. Screenshot?
 @popescu_sorin what model fp2 do you have? the old one or with new screen, camera etc?
 old one
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/DLronITt/file_1494.jpg
 @samitormanen ^^
 hmm. my fp2 is an old one too and is up for repairs. either they replace components or swap the whole phone. so i'm guessing i'm getting new hardware that might act up in UT :-/
 @popescu_sorin, That is much better looking than old one.. Thanks!
 @YougoChats, but with halium and android version (?) for me there's no telling what it will do
 wee fishy shooter works :D
 had to change the date from 1970 to today to make teh internet works
 snap doesn't seem to work, but click does work
 cool
 does it mean the mx4 will get 16.04?
 I've a Nexus 4 (mako) I want to switch to ubports. I can get it to the "Download Mode" screen, but MDT (and fastboot) fail to detect it. I've tried 3 USB cables & three USB ports & running as root. Any other ideas?
 what is download mode? i only know bootloader and recovery?
 That's what it does when I boot with the vol buttons pressed. It's been a couple of years, but IIRC I ought to be able to fastboot from there.
 adb devices shows the phone ?
 if you have USB debuging enabled you should be able to see the device with `adb devices` if it shows up, you can do `adb reboot-bootloader` and when the pfhone is done doing that, you should see the phone with `fastboot devices`
 Not in that state.
 @red adaya, Everything really depends on the Halium project and other changes. That could extend the range of phones significantly. Still extremely experimental though. Serious use still months away
 phone should be in android (or in recovery) for adb to talk
 @SergioSRM, But maybe not back to your account
 @alan_griffiths, Hi Alan, I think you have to press teh power button adn just the volume down button - not both volume buttins. https://www.orduh.com/nexus-4-fastboot-mode/
 @padraic7a, especially with nexus 4 i find it easier to operate `adb reboot` and `fastboot reboot` from an extra terminal. the buttons are way to fiddly
 @alan_griffiths, Needs the snap and devmode. Best on Ubuntu 16.04. Sharp jabs on the buttons can aid recognition
 This phone has had a life as a dev device. It may be in an odd state. It will boot to UT (Canonical version).
 ^ok, i assumed android
 replace 'usb debugging' with 'developer mode' (found in system settings, about this device i think)
 then adb should work
 If in Android, then yes. Check it is not in charging mode
 adb doesn't show it. (I usually ssh - which is fine)
 let's recap.  … is the OS canonical UT? … is developer mode on? … is the phone on and unlocked? … are the USB cables and ports good, clean and connected? … open a terminal, type `adb devices' … does it show?
 yes, yes, yes, yes, no
 do `lsusb`
 @padraic7a, thanks, that at least gets me to the start menu
 you should get somthing like this: … ... … Bus 003 Device 034: ID 18d1:4ee5 Google Inc.  … ...
 👍
 Jumping ahead, first reboot is veeeeery slow. Expect 15-20 minutes
 not showing on lusub either.
 Add the vendor id to ~/.android/adb_usb.ini. … `echo 0x18d1 >> ~/.android/adb_usb.ini` … the 18d1 part could be different for you and is found in the lsusb results
 Phablet-tools are installed?
 Using USB 2.0 not USB 3.0?
 yes, (this type of stuff worked on this same box a year ago for several phones).
 tried both ports
 @alan_griffiths, tried lsusb with and without phone attached? no difference?
 do you have another phone to see if that does show up?
 Right, and with different ports/cables
 @YougoChats, = mindreader 😎
 if the other phone does show up, i'm afraid the usb port on your nexus 4 may be damaged
 USB connector on the phone may be mechanically poor quality. Try gentle twist at an angle
 good thought. No it doesn't show. Will try 16.04 later.
 (Another phone that is)
 Also ensure well charged. I think there is a minimum percentage
 Good luck. It is always like this but everyone seems to get there eventually
 Thanks for the help!
 I was probably running 16.04 when it last worked
 @Stereofont, at least lsusb should list something? if it doesn't then the rest won't happen either 😞
 @alan_griffiths, 17.04 is not supported as far as I know
[11:55] <tgBot> * alan_griffiths has some more cables around somewhere
 Also has to be a fairly vanilla Ubuntu distro
[11:56] <tgBot> * bunia
[11:56] <tgBot> * bunia
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAqw9RKtgQM
 the store seems to work, you can install apps (click) and run
 some apps work fine other crash
 i see it's still using vivid mir? something old 0.24 or something
 ubports is still using Mir 0.24. Don't expect too many changes at one time - too hard to know what brolke it.
 *broke
 yep
 @alan_griffiths, Broke: Lot of stories telling that MX4 has a really picky USB controller. Some people needed a lot of cables to be able to flash it. How many did you try already ;)
 @Flohack, *nexus 4 ?
 @alan_griffiths are you able to get access to your phone documents on cannonical version after connecting USB ?
 @YougoChats, What do you mean? 😆
 @alan_griffiths, hey there.  Just one thought.  I remember having this same issue when trying to flash this device for the first time (and second) (N4).  Darn, darn.. I cannot rememer what it was that made it appear...
 i recall one issue was the absence of —bootstrap in some command and when I added it it worked.  but this was back in Cannon Nickels days...
 i recall it was definitely not a cable issue
 i have a faint recollection of it being related to the hard reset/turning on sequence... darn... so long ago
 @Flohack, alan was trying to connect a nexus 4. unless you are talking about something else?
 I'm talking about that :)
 here is a copy/paste from my blog from way back.  Not sure if something in it will help
 Normally in the past, it was very easy for me to flash from android to Ubuntu for phone.  I just used the usual ubuntu tutorial and it worked. â€¦ Then, somewhere in the middle I switched to Cyanogen mod (android) as the â€˜lesser of two evilsâ€™ while I was waiting for bluetooth to improve. â€¦ I heard today that everything is working so I went back to flash and boom.  Snagged.  It woudnâ€™t recognize adb devices when I was in fastboot mode. â€
[12:53] <tgBot> tried a hundred commands but the answer turned out easy.  I just had to switch to recovery mode, not fastboot mode. … How you do that is on your green robot screen you just push the down arrow (volume) until the screen says ‘recovery mode’ at the top and then press the usual power button at the top right. … Then you go back and follow the install instructions from this command: …     ubuntu-device-flash touch —channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu …
[12:53] <tgBot> EDIT: All was NOT good in the hood.  I got stuck in a perpetual Cyanogen Mod recovery mode loop.  It turns out that nothing else worked for me.  The ubuntu flash process from the above command worked. I could see all the images going to the device. But it would continually reboot back into CM. â€¦ The solution?  Oddly, all I had to do was add back in the â€“bootstrap at the end of the command and everything worked instantly.  So the command looked like this: â€
[12:53] <tgBot> ubuntu-device-flash touch —channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu —bootstrap … I suspect this is not ideal because the official tutorial shows clearly you should only need the bootstrap option at first install only but mine always needs it.  If anyone knows what’s up it would be cool to know.  Please comment!  Otherwise, we’re back to Ubuntu – hopefully forever.
 @wayneoutthere, was replying to Florian
 Alan couldn't even get lsusb to list the connection thoiugh
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 @wayneoutthere, ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=hammerhead \ … —channel=15.04/rc
 Also, if adb throughs an error, try revoke USB DEBUGGING Authorization. …     Enable USB debugging again on the phone.
 @Crash_Burn, Alan is on Canonical UT
 anybody managed to get the ubuntu-emulator to work ?
 @Eranuzan, No, emulator got broken still during Canonical times, in some of their updates. Nobody knows why ^
 @YougoChats, Damn I take back my posting ^
 @Flohack, Damn...  trying to add multitouch to the keyboard cursor drag  but i don't  want to rick completly breaking my phone  :/
 you won't brick your phone trying to add multi-touch
 you might end up having to reflash it at worst
 well, i shouldn't say you won't brick your phone... but it wouldn't be because of messing with the cursor stuff, it could always die from over-use of the NAND storage
 but unless you're messing with low-level stuff like in the kernel or flashing the bootloader it's unlikely you willl brick anything
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 spambot
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 oops
 hahaha, trying to be a bit more productive
 you see.. spam bot :P
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 If anyone has remarks or tips. please let me know
 @bhushanshah deleting the spambot does not count ;)
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 telepathy my friend
 Naturally, after leaving it a bit the N4 now shows up on lsusb using the first port and cable I tried earlier. MDT detects it and is doing something... … ...and it boots into a setup wizard!
 @alan_griffiths, Cool
 @wayneoutthere, Who made this 😍, it's awesome
 @popescu_sorin are you using halium based images?
 of 16.04?
 They're shipping for the core devices
 huh?
 have i missed something afain
 @vanyasem, i have no idea 😐 i have whatever ubports installer flashed on fp2 16.04/devel channel
 @UniversalSuperBox, oh, now i got it
 thanks
 So bq phones are not going to have ubuntu 16.04?
 @Pawangond, just some weirdo...
 Commenting on the developers of ubports, that when canonical was in front of ubuntu touch, I installed a ubuntu xenial alpha in my bq e4.5
 I won't rule it out, but I won't say it's a definite either.
 Canonical had source code for the Android compatibility stuff installed on those phones. We don't.
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/4p7phOY0/file_1495
 (Sticker, 507x512) https://irc.ubports.com/tQ6RcfhU/file_1496
 ups, sorry
 @UniversalSuperBox, There is Open source android stuff for one of the BQ phones, one would only have to port Halium on top of that again
 Btw
 Fwd from delijati: Anyone tried the that lineage14 krillin port https://github.com/Pablito2020
 The rc and devel channels for the bq and meizu are not going to terner updates?
 They already do
 When something changes
 Yes, I have tried it and it works, it has the software to listen to the radio without internet
 That's 15.04
 15.04 still receives updates
 You need to use your PC and ubuntu-device-flash to swithc to 16.04, which you can't do for anything but the three core devices.
 Hello
 Sorry, lineage 13
 @bhushanshah, Me
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/MRPoRwcA/file_1498.jpg What after 9 months ?
 Works good
 Which version I should install 17.10 or 16.05
 16.04
 is weblate down?
 arch linux
 @Pawangond, Gets thrown in the wild to survive for itself
 The 9 month is not a huge deal because there's a new release every 6
 If you want to update less, go LTS-only
 Or, if you need hardware support that is not included in LTS kernel, go to 17.10
 For example, I tried 17.10 in my laptop and I had to downgrade to 16.04 because I had random desktop freezes, I think that wayland is not pulished enough
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[15:29] <bshah> uh whut was that..
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 @Mohannes the welcome is so nice I feel like to quit and rejoin the group 😁
 Fwd from mariogrip: now running qt 5.9!!!
 (Photo, 1440x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/G6XZ0WqO/file_1500.jpg
 Lies...
 😝😛
 What's proof..?
 @mariogrip, YAY!!! 🎉🎉
 @bhushanshah, 😁😁
 @mariogrip, so dark! what phone is it?
 @popescu_sorin, n5
 @bhushanshah, got a command to run=
 I am just kidding.. I know you are running qt 5.9
 can do dpkg -l but not sure if you trust that
 :P
 Because otherwise it would be something like this 😝
 (Photo, 1440x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/QTuWIBlp/file_1501.jpg
 apt list libqt5*
 hmm i gave 5.6.2 on fp2 devel/16.04
 can i haz 5.9? :))
 ooooo, you can scroll long hystory with 2 fingers in terminal
 (Photo, 1440x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/qufaGAj4/file_1503.jpg
 @SergioSRM, 16.04 is fine, But if Wayland causes issues on 17.10, you can just choose X11 at login (or even Unity7 if you install it).
 @popescu_sorin, sure it's up on http://repo.ubports.com/dists/xenial_-_qt59/
 Fwd from mariogrip: flash the 16.04/devel then add the repo `deb http://repo.ubports.com/ xenial_-_qt59 main` pin repo.ubports.com and update
 Fwd from mariogrip: ```mariogrip@mariogrip-laptop:/media/mariogrip/ssd/apt-pre$ cat ubports.list  … deb http://repo.ubports.com/ xenial main … deb http://repo.ubports.com/ xenial_-_qt59 main … mariogrip@mariogrip-laptop:/media/mariogrip/ssd/apt-pre$ cat preferences.d/extra-ppas.pref  … Package: * … Pin: release o=LP-PPA-ci-train-ppa-service-stable-phone-overlay … Pin-Priority: 1001 … Package: * … Pin: origin repo.ubports.com … Pin-
 Fwd from mariogrip: there is my setup
 Fwd from mariogrip: still missing oxide, so it will complain about that. but just apt install unity8 should be fine, it will remove the webbrowser though
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 thanks!
 apps feels so much snappier, apps opens faster, no hangs, smoother animations
 still some color bugs
 like white terminal, but thats minor
 yay! :D x1000
 nice!
 what's the next step for the BXR (big xenial release)?
 @popescu_sorin what unity8 do you have? With the new app drawer?
 no
 @rogieroudshoorn, squashing bugs
 oh wow, that means we're close. excellent!
 @popescu_sorin, 😔
 I thought it lived in 16.04
 i want to have now that 16.04 on my N5 :(
 I feel empty
 *Shazaam!*
 Did it workshop?
 Are there any plans for the new unity8 (with the app drawer) or is the plan to wait for Yunit?
 @mariogrip, Good job Marius! 😁👍
 @mariogrip, sweet man. good work guys.  i'm happy to squash bugs.  how does this work?  You drop some kind of OAT(meal) 4 and then it's magically BXR?
 No
 Probably not
 Maybe.
 "No, probably not, maybe." - Cpt. Durst, 2017
 I have no qualifications to be a captain
 I like muliple choice.  I"m voting 'maybe'
 BS
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[17:39] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> Anyone from the ubports forum admins in here right now?
 what's a forum?  Is that like an email?
[17:43] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> xD no AFAIK it's a place were people meet and shout at each other (both analoge and digital)
[17:44] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> But i meant https://forums.ubports.com
 @demokrit atomos, sweet! i missed the party
 this group is like a forum with a heartbeat and no memory
 each for its own purpose
[17:46] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> I am not looking for A forum but for someone who can kick someone from that specific forum
 @demokrit atomos, @UniversalSuperBox  ? i think some bot is spamming the forum
 with porn
[17:47] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> Ok that was in short was this was about 😂👍, thx @popescu_sorin
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/308/1st-meeting-of-yunit-s-council
 scroll down
[17:47] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> petr1 | UBports Forum … https://forums.ubports.com/user/petr1
 @popescu_sorin, You seem to have weird fetish 😜
[17:47] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> All of his posts actually
 yeah :D
 @wayneoutthere, 😂
 @popescu_sorin, @UniversalSuperBox is spamming the forum with porn????
 Mr. Durst! I never!
 do we even have admins for the forum?
 I thought it self generated
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/py3KM1CE/file_1505.jpg
 The?
 How can the website look this awful in own browser?
 😒
 that... is a feature.  it's so that as we get better you feel incremental improvments and bursts of joy
 However, I will tell our marketing team that it looks like a piile of steaming dung and see what they say.  Stand by
[17:56] <tgBot> MustD1e was added by: MustD1e
 O.o nice bot
 a bit too spammy
 @wayneoutthere, Thanks, Wayne. :)
 block it
 I'm glad to see the work you're doing on Unity.
 "If" most people think it is a bit spammy maybe the welcome message can be cut short to 3 to 4 sentences max and after that the FAQ link. @Mohannes
 lol so its something kind of official?
 sorry I though it was a spambot or something
 We already have a too much white noise in the group
 @mariogrip you got a video of Qt5.9 running?
 Welcome Bot: … Hi Oleg and welcome to the UBports Supergroup. Please visit the page for frequently asked questions. If your question is not there please feel free to post or ask in the group https://ubports.com/page/frequently-asked-questions … Have a nice day!
 I think something like this should be better. Just my personal thoughts.
 @samzn, Frequently asked questions are noise, too. :)
 @mehmehmehmehmehmehmeh, Yep, We're looking at a shorter post
 https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/moss/?utm_campaign=readthedocs-deadline
 You guys can appy for it @UniversalSuperBox
 Also if there is any way to suppress page preview of FAQ page in telegram it will cut down the display size of the welcome message significantly
 @TheImpulson, Godot got money from them. That makes me happy.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Godot? What is that?
 Godot is an open-source game engine. MIT licensed. https://godotengine.org/
 @UniversalSuperBox, +1
 For some reason it made me think about Gal Gadot
 @mehmehmehmehmehmehmeh, +1
 @samzn, isn't someone joining nice white noise? ;) if you can endure a day or so we're working on this program and tweaking.  thanks for your feedback.  Did anyone actually welcome these people or just complain about the welcome bot?  I didn't read above..
 That was a nice thing to search on
 all you need to so is PM the person and say 'hi'.  Pretty easy!
 @wayneoutthere, Dear newcomer FAQ link is <FAQ link>. Guys someone please welcome the new guy here.
 Hote about that for welcome message😁
 waiting for godot
 @wayneoutthere, @wayneoutthere we are moving towards autonaumus tech so quickly that we want to automate everything.
 Currently we are getting 2-3 persons everyday. But imagine when we will have 30k or 40k people. We will have to automate the welcome because there might be multiple welcome messages.
 I just self defeated my argument
 bingo. anyway, thanks all for the feedback but also don't forget that this is kind of like a virtual cocktail party and it's not a bad thing if you talk to each other privately instead of just on the mic here ;)
 When we will grow so much. We would not want any bot to welcome people because it will become so much spam even if just 100 people join everyday. You will have 100 welcome messages everyday.
 Anyone free ?
 Need help
 So eventually the bot needs to go i think
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/whfJ66AK/file_1507.jpg
 Its not really related to ut but
 Please do tell what is the problem?
 @Pawangond, ?
 What is in right side and what in left ?
 And how much space I should give
 This seems complicated and ambiguous
 Click on advanced partitioning tool
 There you will get better understanding
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/rZf6Jxfc/file_1509.jpg
 SDA 5 has max free space
 Do you know that it will wipe out your partition?
 No I don't want to wipe
 I m installing Ubuntu only for installing Ubuntu touch on my phone
 Then cancel the installation and the free up a drive before begin.
 @mehmehmehmehmehmehmeh, agree
 No other way ?
 There is no option for you with current situation which your screenshots show where you will save your data
 You need to atleast free a drive completely before you begin.
 I can't
 And since you are new to dual boot.    Logout
 Its just for preview and for data recovery for advanced users.
 Shutdown
 And remove your usb or cd or whatever that it
 Bro... Read some docs online for dual boot.
 I did
 And understand architecture of dual boot
 From lifewire
 Or take a backup of everything and then try out installing . You won't brick your system . Just learn how it works.
 In beginning you should go with guided installation.
 Can I text u personally ?
 Full wipeout
 Omg
 Pm
 Fine
 Yup
 But be quick
 Not now later
 Also it's my time to sleep in some time
 Sure
 Then
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/m9bjqM3H/file_1512.mp4
 Who needs full wipe?
 @TheImpulson maybe you can help him out @Pawangond ?
 😁
 No thanks. Me sleepy
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0hbh0uk4/file_1514.mp4
 He says not today
 😁
 Better use Linux Mint if new.
 Good and easy for Windows lovwrs
 But he needs to know how to install
 I'd strongly advise against. Linux Mint. But maybe head to something like #ubuntu on Freenode IRC for a better place for support of the desktop OS?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Why not Mint?
[18:54] <tgBot> WolfLarson was added by: WolfLarson
 My job is done from preventing him from wiping out his partitions. 😀
 @mehmehmehmehmehmehmeh, Great work.
 @TheImpulson, Not a great work.  And then blaming/hating/fearing Linux rest of his life.
 @mehmehmehmehmehmehmeh, It's because people use Windows from beginning. Windows doesn't gives you whole power of system control but linux does.  … Hit sudo rm -rf & destroy anything 😂
 @TheImpulson, I know and understand 😁
 👍
[19:02] <tgBot> salom97 was added by: salom97
 Me too .. too sleepy. Gn comrades
 Gn😴
 I really hate this bot😒
 One good news☺
 I accidentally deleted all Ubuntu touch file while making some free space on my drive😭
[19:17] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> Welcome Bot is bad, I so much like when our members greeting newcomers. It's so human-like, not robot-like :)
 @Gleb Lee 🇸🇨, +1
[19:23] <tgBot> jh0ker_welcomebot was removed by: UniversalSuperBox
 sigh that was not what I wanted to do
 @UniversalSuperBox, You monster😡
 I just wanted to shut it up until we could come up with a better solution for it
 @UniversalSuperBox, I would edit myself then... "You kidnapper "😜
 One bot does not like other bot😜😜😜
 You killed that innocent bot😔
 @Pawangond, you're welcome to hate it.
 Anyone free ?? I have emptied my local disk D, need help while installing Ubuntu
 there are usally at least 20 people 'around' here
 I'm here. I've done Ubuntu istallations a lot but I'm not a programmer.  I didn't read aeverything above.    Can you get rid of windows?
 what is reason to keep windows?
 Nope🙄
 I have emptied entire local disk D for that
 @wayneoutthere, Lots of things are unsupported in Ubuntu
 i've never seen one
 And I am very new to Ubuntu
 honeslty I've never done dual boot.  I think you can just do WUBI or whatever that thing was
 @Pawangond, welcome.  Get rid of windows and your life gets better today
 Ive been 10 years in Ubuntu and never ever gone back to windows
 Yeah I am learning Ubuntu
 I don't think this is a discussion for this channel, but I would recommend seeking support in a channel dedicated to Ubuntu support. This one is for Ubuntu Touch, the phone OS. :)
 good idea go to off topic chat
 I have 2 Ubuntu cli based server on aws
 @UniversalSuperBox, Sorry that's why I was asking if anyone is free , so I can pm him
 Sorry won't do that now
 go in here:
 https://t.me/ubports_ot
 @wayneoutthere I agree with you, but I think @Pawangond can do as he wishes and I had dual boot as well at the beginning, and now I have only Ubuntu!
 @Alexander, same. but no one told me I could leave windows forever, haha.
 @Pawangond, If you are new first try with virtual machine which will allow you to emulate complete os.
[20:44] <tgBot> gustavoarseniotkd was added by: gustavoarseniotkd
 @gustavoarseniotkd, Welcome!
 I'm not good in English so I'll use a translator
 We will have ubuntu touch 17.10, … And we'll have a ubuntu touch emulator for ubuntu desktop snap or deb to test the system for the computer, … the Future of Ubuntu touch had come to be marketed by the companies bq, Meizu and others
[20:58] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @UniversalSuperBox, Thanks Dalton, Ubuntu:humanity
[21:02] <ubports_bot> Project daily-bacon build #312: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-bacon/312/
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 Bring ubuntu phone to Brazil
 I am what I am because of who we all are
 that's what ubuntu means
[21:14] <tgBot> <Jose Barakat> 👍🏼
 @UniversalSuperBox, where's my bot?????
 I want bot! I want bot!
 Bring Bot back! Bring Bot Back
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/txB0xqPV/file_1515.mp4
 @wayneoutthere, It was multiple votes no to only your vote yes. A good experiment, but the dissent went past my threshold.
 You'll regret this Durst!
 Keep your ears on the next Audiocast
 Now you've messed with my Bot!
 Coming soon... to a theatre near you
 @Milan Korecky, A real person saying hello is much more welcoming than a machine. It would be good though if the joiner could be brought up to speed without the encyclopedia being dished out to all of us every few minutes
 Y U NO LIKE BOT?
 BOT INNOCENT
 Maybe we could get a bot which locks their refrigerator until such time as their eye scan confirms that they have read all parts of the FAQ 😎


[15:27] <twojukeboksi> Say.. when I hooked my USB midi controller to fluidsynth I noticed it mapped the slider 1 to volume and I was super happy coz this had not happened previously. Now after a while I noticed the slider is no longer mapped to the Fluidsynth's (with Qsynth GUI) volume control


[06:50] <snowkrash> hi
[06:51] <snowkrash> there is a guy on ubuntu insulting me for no reason in private chat
[06:51] <radfactz> Yes snowkrash said he would gouge out my eyeballs
[06:52] <radfactz> This was from him <snowkrash> get a therapist
[06:52] <snowkrash> http://pastebin.com/W9aTbV8t
[07:25] <Flannel> (k-train)


[06:17] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:31] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:39] <jamesh> morning oSoMoN
[06:41] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, jamesh
[07:00] <didrocks> good morning
[07:02] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:03] <seb128> hey oSoMoN duflu jamesh
[07:03] <seb128> re didrocks
[07:03] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:04] <oSoMoN> hey didrocks, seb128
[07:28] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[07:28] <ricotz> seb128, hi, https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/8140681/+listing-archive-extra
[07:29] <seb128> hey ricotz, how are you?
[07:29] <seb128> ricotz, thanks, I'm having a look to that one today
[07:30] <ricotz> seb128, I am good :), and you?
[07:30] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[07:31] <ricotz> this is probably interesting too https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/7961953/+listing-archive-extra
[07:34] <seb128> ricotz, you should open a sponsoring bug for the aptitude debdiff
[07:44] <seb128> duflu, was your battery icon tweaks that landed to ubuntu-themes supposed to be enough to make it look good? it somewhat still looks compressed/not nice in current artful
[07:45] <duflu> seb128, otop
[07:45] <duflu> otp
[07:45] <seb128> no hurry
[07:45] <seb128> d_idrocks would like to use the upstream icon instead, but yeah, then issue in unity as you pointed out on the bug
[07:49] <duflu> seb128, yeah my new icons are actually much better than it was (blurry). And it's only condensed for low-DPI screens. 1080p and above you get the old-style long battery. Because gnome-shell only picks 16px icons in low DPI
[07:51] <duflu> Sorry, correction: It's only condensed for scale 1.0. For higher scales you will get the old longer battery
[07:52] <didrocks> it's quite disturbing on scale 1.0
[07:52] <duflu> didrocks, it was much worse before :)
[07:52] <didrocks> I don't know if for status icon we should just go with adwaita
[07:52] <didrocks> and having per session overrides
[07:52] <seb128> bah, what's going on with my internet today
[07:53] <didrocks> (so, unity will use unity)
[07:53] <didrocks> or
[07:53] <seb128> duflu, so http://picpaste.com/battery-GQgpUM6v.png is how it's supposed to look or is that still buggy?
[07:53] <duflu> didrocks, adwaita's looks fine but will break Unity7 (varies between the adwaita one and ubuntu)
[07:53] <didrocks> we can fix it for scale=1
[07:53] <didrocks> duflu: yeah, hence per-session override
[07:53] <didrocks> hum, annoying for unity-greeter though…
[07:53] <seb128> if we care only about unity we could rename battery icons to append -unity
[07:54] <seb128> and change indicator-power to use that name
[07:54] <seb128> both greeter and session use the indicator
[07:54] <didrocks> the issue is if other desktop are using -mono
[07:54] <seb128> right, I wrote "if we care only about unity"
[07:54] <seb128> do we know of other desktop using -mono?
[07:54] <duflu> Well, authoring 39 battery icons took some effort but if you can make it work then go nuts
[07:55] <didrocks> duflu: what's the real fix without impacting unity?
[07:55] <didrocks> not really sure I got everything from the bug report, apart that "we need to make them square and not lying on size"
[07:55] <didrocks> (which would impact unity, correct?)
[07:55] <duflu> didrocks, what we have is the real fix that works with unity. The other real fix is to modify unity to load its own different names
[07:55] <didrocks> ah
[07:55] <didrocks> so, it's not only authoring
[07:56] <duflu> didrocks, no more icon design required. It would be *deleting* symlinks and modifying Unity code
[07:58] <duflu> ... then Gnome Shell would just use upstream-everything, and Unity would avoid accidentally loading Adwaita icons
[08:03] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, good morning! chromium-browser 60.0.3112.78 is ready for testing and publication in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages
[08:32] <chrisccoulson> oSoMoN, ack
[08:32] <chrisccoulson> although, that'll be a monday thing now
[08:34] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, happy friday! how are you?
[08:34] <chrisccoulson> seb128, I'm not too bad thanks - just eating some bacon. How about you?
[08:36] <seb128> I'm good thanks :-)
[08:39] <chrisccoulson> we have sunshine at the moment!
[08:47] <seb128> nice
[08:47] <seb128> brb
[08:48] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, sure, I wasn't expecting a Friday publication :)
[08:49] <oSoMoN> bacon, yummy!
[09:19] <duflu> didrocks, another idea: Modify gnome-shell to accept non-square icons like our old ones
[09:19] <duflu> And to not constrain them to squares
[09:20] <duflu> I think Marco favoured that
[09:22] <tsimonq2> o/
[09:22] <seb128> re, sorry restarted session a few times
[09:23] <seb128> hey tsimonq2
[09:23] <tsimonq2> This is a fairly visible bug that the desktop team should be aware of that I have prepared a fix for and tested: bug 1133477
[09:23] <tsimonq2> Just needs a Core Developer to upload
[09:24] <tsimonq2> I've been working with the Ubuntu MATE folks as Caja is affected by this as well.
[09:25] <tsimonq2> It has complete SRU documentation and a debdiff attached to the bug report. I would upload it if I had the permissions. ;)
[09:26] <tsimonq2> (maybe it's in the Desktop Team packageset, I don't know, but at minimum it's in main)
[09:27] <tsimonq2> Any suggestions or help would certainly be appreciated :)
[09:27] <didrocks> duflu: yeah, I don't know how much this is involved though
[09:28] <didrocks> duflu: but knowing that it's already loading mostly icons from adwaita, maybe just having indicator-power loading unity-* icons
[09:28] <didrocks> that's the less intrusive
[09:28] <duflu> didrocks, fair enough. I am drifting toward organizing dinner so would like to stop pondering the problem anyway
[09:28] <didrocks> duflu: enjoy your dinner :)
[09:29] <seb128> tsimonq2, get a sponsoring bug in the queue, I can try to have a look if nobody beats me to it but it's probably not doing to be today
[09:29] <seb128> duflu, have a nice dinner and a good w.e!
[09:29] <tsimonq2> seb128: Should be in the queue next time it updates
[09:30] <tsimonq2> seb128: I can ask my usual Core Developer sponsor to upload it for me, but regardless I'd just like to make the Desktop Team aware ;)
[09:31] <duflu> seb128, thanks, but I'm not there yet
[10:19] <tsimonq2> seb128: LocutusOfBorg uploaded it for me ;)
[10:20] <seb128> tsimonq2, great :-)
[10:20] <seb128> you guys start being active desktopers!
[10:20] <tsimonq2> seb128: ;)
[10:21] <tsimonq2> seb128: I just wish I had archive upload access so I didn't have to poke people... although I will apply for MOTU on August 14th :D
[10:21] <seb128> tsimonq2, right, keep going like that and you should get it without issue
[10:22] <tsimonq2> seb128: The hardest part about that bug was filling out the SRU docs tbh, but look at how thorough I tried to be to minimize any questions later ;)
[10:24] <tsimonq2> I think that's the most thorough I've ever been on a bug report... although it's like a 700 line diff :P
[10:26] <tsimonq2> seb128: But I might just stick around in this channel so if I need to collab with the desktop team at all or vice versa, we can do so
[10:57] <seb128> tsimonq2, great, it's always good to have more people around and involved :-)
[12:17] <jbicha> seb128: GNOME 3.24 can work with gjs 1.49 on mozjs52, we just get a lot of annoying warnings like comment 3 on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785568
[12:46] <andyrock> Trevinho: do you remember the tool to test indicators?
[12:46] <andyrock> desktoppers ^^^
[13:14]  * kenvandine waves
[13:14] <jbicha> kenvandine: good morning
[13:22] <gQuigs> previously I could just do a bzr pull request to get metapackages like https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-restricted-addons changes.. they don't have any recent commit activity..  do I just want to do a normal debdiff?
[13:24] <jbicha> gQuigs: that branch is from Ubuntu Distributed Development which stopped working a while ago. Yes
[13:25] <gQuigs> jbicha: moved to git?  or just do a debdiff?
[13:29] <jbicha> currently there is no VCS for ubuntu-restricted-addons/extras
[13:30] <gQuigs> jbicha: k, thanks
[13:37] <kenvandine> freenode doesn't like me trying to connect via private internet access VPN
[13:39] <Laney> morning
[13:40] <kenvandine> hey Laney
[13:40] <Laney> hey kenvandine
[13:40] <Laney> get back ok?
[13:40] <kenvandine> yeah... lots of delays made for a long day
[13:40] <kenvandine> got in late last night
[13:40] <kenvandine> debconf going well?
[13:47] <kenvandine> there we go... just had to switch to SASL login for freenode :)
[13:48] <Laney> bit too much firefighting for my liking
[13:48] <Laney> but not too bad
[14:04] <cyphermox> seb128: are you fixing that ubiquity ftbfs?
[14:04] <seb128> cyphermox, in a meeting but after that if nobody beats me to it yes
[14:05] <cyphermox> seb128: ok, no rush
[14:05] <cyphermox> just checking :)
[14:06] <seb128> cyphermox, hey btw, any chance you could review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox-plugin-alternative-toolbar/+bug/1703662 ? it's probably an easy mir request :-)
[14:07] <cyphermox> sure
[14:11] <seb128> thanks
[14:15] <andyrock> seb128: I proposed fixes for unity7+g++7 too
[14:15] <seb128> andyrock, great
[14:25] <seb128> didrocks, did you know of cases where picking "ubuntu on wayland" gives an xorg session? seems to happen when I tried to log with my test user atm, dunno if that's because there is already a session open or if something with the test user
[14:27] <didrocks> seb128: I don't really know, you gave a reproduceable testcase, correct?
[14:27] <didrocks> so, I was waiting to have some cycles working on this, but first, switching to wayland by default
[14:27] <seb128> well I can't login into wayland with that second user and will had a similar issue
[14:27] <seb128> the ubuntu on wayland gives an xorg session
[14:27] <didrocks> we could have the list unsync due to our patch
[14:27] <seb128> I guess that needs debugging
[14:27] <seb128> I mentioned it in case you know about it being a known issue
[14:28] <didrocks> I didn't see it, but someone else mentioned it on the channel
[14:28] <jbicha> some folks on the forum were talking about the opposite problem: getting a Wayland session when they picked 'Ubuntu'
[14:28] <seb128> any variable that would be useful to print?
[14:28] <didrocks> so yeah, I think it's a real bug
[14:28] <didrocks> seb128: all gdm logs
[14:28] <didrocks> with debug enabled
[14:28] <seb128> k
[14:28] <seb128> I'm going to open a bug
[14:28] <seb128> (but in a call atm)
[14:28] <didrocks> but TBH, let's wait to revert this patch for session ordering
[14:28] <didrocks> you did open one already
[14:28] <didrocks> and assigned it to me
[14:29] <didrocks> but the goal is to have: wayland by default, then, let's see if the issue is that the gdm list is at 2 places
[14:31] <jbicha> btw, we still plan to have X by default for the live session for now, right? I'm thinking of gparted
[14:34] <didrocks> yeah
[14:34] <didrocks> apart if we have the time to work on it
[14:34] <didrocks> (sudo apps running on wayland)
[14:35] <jbicha> there is a workaround for pkexec, but I think there is justifiable hesitancy in applying itt: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/763531
[14:36] <seb128> didrocks, I did open one? forgot about it :-(
[14:36] <seb128> didrocks, but yeah waiting is fine no worry
[14:36] <didrocks> seb128: no worry ;) yeah, I didn't tell you I was waiting on the switch once the decision was taken
[14:37] <didrocks> seb128: my big guess again is that the 2 lists are unsynced somewhere in gdm code
[14:38] <didrocks> jbicha: indeed, I read about that one, we'll see how it goes, but for now X on live is a working solution
[14:38] <didrocks> (IMHO)
[15:15] <ogra> seb128, might be faster to discuss this on IRC and then dump a summary into the forum ... doesnt the wayland session have any mechanism to set global env vars that we could use with snapd ?
[15:16] <ogra> (i.e. how is the non-modified XDG_DATA_DIRS set in a wayland session today)
[15:20] <jbicha> I guess Flatpak had a similar problem: https://github.com/alexlarsson/xdg-app/issues/147
[15:22] <ogra> jbicha, well, i guess everyone will have such a problem ... how are distributors supposed to set defaults for wayland sessions ... there must be some mechanism
[15:22] <jbicha> and https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736660
[15:22] <ogra> (like a distributor can enhance gsettings defaults etc)
[15:22] <ogra> it should not process bash_profile for sure
[15:23] <ogra> that is for shells
[15:23] <ogra> but it should have a mechanism to adjust and enhance defaults that a distributor or even a developer of a GUI related service can use
[15:24] <ogra> (snapd would fall under the latter ... ubuntu in general would fall under the former)
[15:24] <jbicha> I don't really know, I was just pointing to a few things from gnome-session's commit log
[15:24] <ogra> yeah
[15:24] <ogra> using profile.d or bash_profile for such stuff is just wrong though ...
[15:25] <ogra> i could imagine logind having such a mechanism
[15:25] <seb128> ogra, it's the new world, systemd/wayland/... those claiming that shell scripts are hack and that it's time to do without them
[15:25] <ogra> it needs to be something session wide and dedicated to wayland
[15:25] <seb128> until they need some env
[15:25] <seb128> and somebody adds back similar hacks :p
[15:26] <ogra> seb128, well, thats what i'm saying ...
[15:26] <seb128> ogra, we are not going to sort that out today and meanwhile snaps are not working
[15:26] <ogra> seb128, i dont want to have to manage GUI stuff via profile.d or bash_profile or whatnot
[15:26] <seb128> ogra, so let's merge that small script and then we can work on a better solution if you want
[15:26] <ogra> but that small script only sets it for login shells
[15:27] <ogra> does wayland process profile.d ?
[15:27] <ogra> (or the session manager wayland uses rather)
[15:28] <seb128> ogra, gnome-session does I think
[15:28] <ogra> thats so wrong :P
[15:29] <ogra> but well, if it does, then yes, lets get it landed
[15:30] <seb128> ogra, I guess we should use https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/environment.d.html
[15:31] <ogra> for gdm then ? or for whastever fires up systemd --user ?
[15:33] <ogra> seb128, find a second approver for https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3398 ... then it can be merged
[15:35] <Laney> environment.d is probably a good idea
[15:37] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you? having fun in french-speaking-land? ;-)
[15:37] <Laney> oh hey seb128
[15:37] <Laney> it's more french than I thought it would be
[15:38] <Laney> I thought it would be like people speak english but they have french/english signs and stuff
[15:38] <jbicha> more French than France?
[15:38] <Laney> but NOPE they actually speak french all the time
[15:38] <Laney> what a place to be
[15:38] <Laney> well they have great bagels, so that's a +1 on france already :-)
[15:39] <ogra> is there anyone in that country anyway ? i though they are all send on vacation
[15:39] <ogra> *sent
[15:40] <kenvandine> I just finished up the snapcraft office hours, showing off the gnome-3-24 platform snap :)
[16:00] <seb128> kenvandine, hey Ken, had a good trip back and gnome-3-24 demo? ;-)
[16:00] <seb128> ok desktopers, I'm still around a bit but getting out of work mode
[16:00] <kenvandine> good demo... trip was much too long :)
[16:01] <seb128> I might still comment on backlog or email with delays but otherwise have a good w.e!
[16:01] <kenvandine> flight delayed leaving manchester, so my connection had to be rebooked and left me in Philly for 6 hours :(
[16:01] <seb128> kenvandine, you should get some rest :-)
[16:01] <seb128> urg :-/
[16:01] <kenvandine> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EE3dmAX5Ro
[16:01] <kenvandine> link to the office hours demo :)
[16:01] <seb128> I'm going to watch that one later
[16:01] <oSoMoN> seb128, have a good one!
[16:02] <kenvandine> hey oSoMoN!
[16:02] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks, you too
[16:02] <oSoMoN> hey kenvandine!
[16:22]  * oSoMoN EOW
[16:22] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end folks!
[16:57]  * kenvandine does a little dance
[16:57] <kenvandine> gnome-3-24 platform snap works in 14.04 :-D


[20:03] <blr> wgrant: regarding turnip configuration, do we want to be running turnip with twistd and a tac?
[20:45] <lifeless> turnip ?
[21:00] <jelmer> lifeless: some sort of root vegetable :P
[21:03] <blr> deploying on vegetables is more sustainable.
[21:10] <lifeless> but nowhere near as healthy :)
[22:22] <wgrant> blr: Most of our other Twisted services do that. twistd can be a little limiting at times, but I don't envisage problems in this case.
[22:23] <wgrant> I suspect/hope twistd will die out as sensible init systems become universal.
[22:23] <wgrant> But for now it's probably a good idea.
[22:25] <blr> wgrant: cool, will do that then.
[22:25] <blr> wgrant: good weekend?
[22:26] <wgrant> blr: The aircon died, but otherwise pretty good :)
[22:26] <wgrant> You?
[22:28] <blr> ugh, imagine that's not much fun. Got the winter vegetables in, alas, no turnips.
[22:28] <wgrant> Heh
[22:30] <blr> wgrant: hoping to have a chat with pitti today about his experiences with nova-compute-lxc - thomi mentioned he posted to canonical-tech last year while working on the uci-engine.
[22:30] <blr> well, this evening more likely, given timezones.
[22:31] <wgrant> blr: If you're wanting to test deployment on OpenStack, I'd get creds to our bootstack and use the real thing.
[22:31] <wgrant> The standard for sensible juju work nowadays is local provider for most development and testing, then real OpenStack when you want to do more.
[22:33] <blr> wgrant: okay, just thought it sounded appealing provisioning the entire stack locally - although at a guess, it would be painful.
[22:36] <wgrant> blr: Oh yeah, it's certainly appealing. But I'm not sure it's worth the pain.
[22:40] <wgrant> Ah, found the buildd-manager double-upload bug.
[22:40] <wgrant> Yay
[22:44] <wgrant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1422199
[22:44] <mup> Bug #1422199: buildd-manager can repeatedly upload builds if handleStatus fails in the wrong place <buildd-manager> <buildfarm> <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1422199>
[22:48] <xnox> wgrant: good morning =) how is monday looking so far?
[22:50] <wgrant> xnox: Rather good.
[22:50] <wgrant> xnox: Well done on the launchpadlib py3k port.
[22:50] <xnox> wgrant: tah. Well, pitti only found half a dozen bugs in it, when he tried to port apport.
[22:51] <xnox> mostly around marshalling binary data around.
[22:51] <wgrant> Heh, of course.
[22:51]  * xnox can't run full test-suite, as i didn't port _all_ the testsuite deps - which is like the rest of lazr.*
[22:51] <wgrant> Yeah. Would be nice if it could run against an external lazr.restful.
[22:51] <xnox> plus i'm not sure test-suites would have helped here. Cause i had to port them to str/bytes world view as well.
[22:52] <xnox> yeah, but too crazy for me to implement =)
[22:52] <xnox> i find pitti to be a better testsuite.
[22:52]  * xnox hides


[06:55] <masumotok> Hello, I am newvie for maas, now I got an error  "maas <profie>  boot-resources  import". In /var/log/maas/maas.log, I got "[WARNING] Finished importing boot images, the region does not have any boot images available.". The http-proxy exists in my network and thus, it requires user/password authentication. I would like to set HTTP_PROXY to maas. Does anyone know how?
[07:56] <masumotok> MAAS seems like not accepting "http_proxy=http://<username>:<password>/ipaddr:port" style parameter, as declared <http://askubuntu.com/questions/618657/maas-cant-download-boot-images>. Anyone know the tips?
[12:08] <mup> Bug #1463378 opened: Downloaded di-initrd on trusty/amd64 overrides /etc/network/interfaces <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1463378>
[14:00] <vibol> Hello!..
[14:00] <vibol> I'm importing boot image on Maas but the static in web gui still in "Qeued in download"
[14:01] <kiko> vibol, 1.5 or 1.7?
[14:01] <vibol> er.. sorr please wait
[14:01] <vibol> i'm installion from ppa:maas-maintainer/stable
[14:04] <vibol> @@ anyway really sorry how to check maas version @kiko ?
[14:05] <vibol> 1.7.5 @kiko
[14:07] <kiko> hmm
[14:07] <kiko> interesting
[14:07] <kiko> vibol, are you behind a proxy?
[14:07] <vibol> i'm no...
[14:07] <vibol> but i notices
[14:07] <vibol> some repositry of my ubuntu kinda slow
[14:07] <kiko> if you look at *.log in /var/log/maas you'll get an idea of what is happening
[14:08] <kiko> if there are timeouts or similar
[14:11] <vibol> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11672885/
[14:11] <vibol>  [INFO] Started importing boot image
[14:11] <vibol> [WARNING] Finished importing boot images, the region does not have any boot images available.
[14:11] <vibol> WARNING] No boot images have been imported from the region.
[14:11] <vibol> Still have no idea @kiko
[14:13] <kiko> vibol, the region controller downloads the images first, and then the cluster controller downloads them from the region
[14:14] <kiko> vibol, so what's happening is that the region controller is unable to download the images
[14:14] <kiko> vibol, can you confirm you can access the internet from the region controller machine?
[14:14] <vibol> I don't have reqion controllor machine yet maybe @@
[14:15] <vibol> should i install maas-region-controller etc ?
[14:15] <kiko> vibol, i.e. can you go to streams.ubuntu.com https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/streams/v1/ ?
[14:15] <kiko> ah
[14:15] <vibol> yeb it accessable
[14:15] <kiko> vibol, you probably do have the region controller package installed in a single machine then
[14:15] <kiko> the region controller hosts the UI
[14:16] <kiko> so if you have web UI the region controller is running
[14:16] <vibol> i'm follow from ubuntu.com/cloud
[14:16] <kiko> I assume you did an apt-get install maas, yes?
[14:16] <vibol> yeb
[14:16] <vibol> !!
[14:16] <kiko> okay
[14:17] <kiko> so for some reason the maas region isn't able to download images
[14:17] <kiko> what does maas.host/images say?
[14:18] <vibol> kiko ... but.
[14:18] <vibol> "maas-region-controller is already the newest version."
[14:18] <kiko> vibol, yes, you're fine
[14:18] <kiko> the region is present
[14:18] <kiko> so the issue is to do with the region not being able to download for whatever reason
[14:19] <vibol> yeb
[14:19] <kiko> vibol, was this a fresh install?
[14:19] <vibol> yeb..
[14:19] <vibol> first i install ubuntu server and start add ppa
[14:19] <vibol> apt install maas
[14:19] <vibol> i follow on http://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/install-ubuntu-openstack
[14:20] <kiko> okay
[14:20] <vibol> in /var/log/maas
[14:20] <vibol> only file apache2  maas-django.log  maas.log  oops  proxy  pserv.log  rsyslog
[14:20] <vibol> are present
[14:21] <vibol> i'm install ubuntu on vmware to do this...
[14:32] <vibol> @kiko i'm thank for you hlep
[14:32] <vibol> 80% maybe internet connection
[14:36] <kiko> vibol, do you get a spinner on the /images page?
[14:36] <kiko> perhaps share a screenshot?
[14:37] <vibol> i have access http://maas.ubuntu.com/images/ephemeral-v2/releases/ in the log
[14:37] <vibol> but i can't download any file
[15:03] <kiko> vibol, oh, what happens if you download?
[15:03] <vibol> server error
[15:03] <vibol> it from my ips i think
[15:05] <vibol> @kiko
[15:06] <kiko> vibol, so that's your problem right there. I wonder why
[15:06] <kiko> vibol, ah, perhaps you have a transparent proxy affecting your traffic?
[15:07] <vibol> hmm i'm not really sure
[15:07] <vibol> but i don't use any proxy right here
[15:07] <vibol> i try to use another connection to confrim the problem but i need to be at my school lol...
[18:36] <bdx> Hows it going everyone?
[18:36] <bdx> I'm wondering if someone can aid me in identifying the root-path-string of the iscsi service running on maas
[18:37] <bdx> ????^^^^
[18:37] <kiko> bdx, hmm, maybe we can, but why do you want to know? :)
[18:38] <bdx> kiko: I think I found what may work by running sudo iscsiadm -m discovery -t st -p <maas-server-ip>
[18:39] <kiko> bdx, are you having to gateway the iscsi traffic? or something else?
[18:39] <bdx> kiko: I am trying desperately to get maas to work with our companys existing dns/dhcp configuration
[18:39] <kiko> ah.
[18:39] <kiko> that is indeed a common challenge
[18:40] <kiko> I'm clueless, though -- why do you need the iSCSI root-path? oh, because that's what the DHCP server needs to supply back?
[18:40] <kiko> bdx, have you tried looking at the generated dhcpd.conf?
[18:40] <kiko> and fragments?
[18:40] <bdx> kiko: exactly
[18:41] <bdx> yea....thats what I have based my external dhcp config off of
[18:41] <kiko> but that's missing, is that it? it's in the host maps?
[18:41]  * kiko can't remember
[18:41] <bdx> I can get nodes to enlist and commission successfully
[18:42] <bdx> https://www.dropbox.com/s/916u59gqoetlt7a/Screenshot%202015-06-09%2011.42.18.png?dl=0
[18:44] <bdx> kiko: I'm thinking its got to be <IP_ADDRESS>:3260,1 iqn.2004-05.com.ubuntu:maas:ephemeral-ubuntu-amd64-generic-trusty-daily
[18:45] <kiko> bdx, have you tried looking at the console of a node booting? but that does look correct
[18:48] <bdx> kiko: yes.... I can verify that the logs and console show the iscsi url
[18:49] <bdx> I am now thinking because the node enlists and commissions, that iscsi-root-path might not even be my issue
[18:49] <kiko> okay, try kicking off a run and seeing if it works
[18:49] <bdx> my bad
[18:49] <bdx> yea
[18:49] <bdx> I am at a total loss
[18:49] <bdx> I have been trying at this for quite a while...like a few weeks
[18:50] <kiko> wow, you should have come asking for help earlier!
[18:50] <kiko> anyway, tell us where you are stuck next
[18:51] <bdx> kiko: so...I can successfully enlist and commission nodes in maas
[18:51] <bdx> I am using pfsense for dhcp and have it configured to update my dns when it hands out addresses
[18:51] <kiko> so far so good
[18:51] <kiko> what's up with deploying?
[18:53] <bdx> kiko: when I deploy a node that is in "ready" state in maas, the node seems to commission itself, and power off....soon after I get a "deployment failed" status
[18:53] <kiko> bdx, okay, you need to look at the node log or console to see what's up
[18:54] <bdx> kiko: Ok...the console shows that of commissioning a node
[18:54] <kiko> well, you're not commissioning any more
[18:54] <kiko> now you're deploying
[18:54] <kiko> commissioning doesn't touch the drives
[18:55] <bdx> yea....but the node is commissioning when I try to deploy
[18:55] <bdx> ok
[18:55] <kiko> ah
[18:55] <kiko> that is an interesting hint
[18:55] <kiko> blake_r, what do we supply to the node when we are deploying in terms of iscsi path?
[18:56] <kiko> bdx, if you can find that out (do you have a parallel install with managed dhcp/dns) then we don't need to wait for blake_r
[18:56] <blake_r> kiko: the DHCP or DNS server does not provide this information, it comes from the PXE request
[18:57] <blake_r> kiko: that information is sent to the linux kernel using kernel parameters in the pxelinux.cfg that the server requests once it loads pxelinux.0
[18:58] <kiko> blake_r, okay, so we basically write out a pxelinux.cfg that is specific to commissioning or deployment?
[18:58] <blake_r> kiko: its includes the maas server ip address and the iscsi target to mount
[18:58] <kiko> blake_r, I wonder if bdx is trying to do something he doesn't need to
[18:58] <blake_r> kiko: yes it is specific, based on the state of the node and the node
[18:58] <kiko> gotcha
[18:58] <kiko> bdx, ^^
[18:59] <bdx> kiko, blake_r: what could this indicate in my situation?
[18:59] <kiko> bdx, where are you putting the iscsi target and why?
[19:00] <bdx> kiko: no where yet
[19:00] <kiko> bdx, how do you know it's commissioning instead of deploying?
[19:00] <bdx> kiko, blake_r: because the console shows what it shows when I commission a node
[19:01] <blake_r> bdx: commissiong and deploying look the same watching the console of the node, its very similar
[19:01] <blake_r> bdx: they both load ubuntu over pxe
[19:02] <bdx> totally....I have been using maas for dhcp/dns in my test lab for a while...I'v watched the commissioning and boot console many a time:-)
[19:03] <bdx> I am now trying to move the setup to our production environment where external dhcp/dns must be used
[19:04] <kiko> bdx, can you take a screenshot of the console in both commissioning and deployment so we can spot the issue?
[19:04] <kiko> ideally including what pxelinux is doing
[19:04] <kiko> perhaps that's more like a movie :)
[19:05] <bdx> kiko, blake_r: I can't say for sure that the node is "commissioning" instead of "deploying".....the console just shows the output of a commissioning ....but it could be a deploy that gets interrupted im thinking
[19:05] <kiko> yes
[19:05] <kiko> though the console will tell you what is going wrong -- i.e. for instance, the node is unable to download packages, etc
[19:06] <bdx> yeah....give me a minute....what is easiest...periscope, meerkat, youknow?
[19:06] <bdx> I guess youtube probably
[19:06] <kiko> I don't actually know, but it needs to be readable 8)
[19:06] <bdx> ok....I'll take a video ...give me 5
[19:11] <kiko> sure
[19:20] <bdx> kiko, blake_r: here is a video of a node commissioning https://files.darkhorse.com/_RLGdv3A9r2RStR
[19:20] <bdx> kiko: blake_r: here is a deployment https://files.darkhorse.com/_vZGMW6SjX2lSPR
[19:25] <kiko> bdx, hmm, so slow for me to download.. 10 mins!
[19:29] <bdx> iphone -> hdvideo
[19:29] <bdx> ill render them smaller here
[19:30] <bdx> https://files.darkhorse.com/_rWG14-Ti-23SnR
[19:31] <bdx> https://files.darkhorse.com/_GQH8XCCdS2FS5R
[19:31] <kiko> 2/3 gone, now I will wait!
[19:31] <bdx> lol
[19:33] <blake_r> bdx: the extract of the image failes
[19:33] <blake_r> bdx: check MAAS you should have an installation log
[19:34] <blake_r> bdx: on the node details page
[19:34] <blake_r> bdx: it will give you the error
[19:35] <bdx> omg I've overlooked the install log button for so long....grrr
[19:35] <blake_r> <IP_ADDRESS> is that your MAAS server address that a node can access?
[19:36] <blake_r> bdx: says no route to host
[19:36] <bdx> no...that is a lxcbr0 created by juju....omg the install log shows all
[19:36] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11678270/
[19:36] <bdx> I wonder why it is trying to use that
[19:36] <blake_r> sudo dpkg-reconfigure maas-cluster-controller
[19:36] <blake_r> check that
[19:36] <kiko> yep
[19:37] <bdx> it is set correctly to "http://<IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS"
[19:38] <kiko> bdx, does grep <IP_ADDRESS> /etc/maas return anything?
[19:38] <blake_r> I think maas gets that ip address from the initial PXE request from the client
[19:38] <bdx> possibly I should just delete the unused interface for <IP_ADDRESS>/24 in my cluster interfaces
[19:38] <blake_r> it looks at the ip address the request comes in on
[19:38] <blake_r> is it routed through the bridge?
[19:39] <bdx> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8re057l9pgw8guj/Screenshot%202015-06-09%2012.38.40.png?dl=0
[19:40] <kiko> blake_r, that can't make sense, the video shows the node booting on the 10.16 network no?
[19:40] <kiko> <IP_ADDRESS> is the IP it got, the server is <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:40] <kiko> bdx, does grep <IP_ADDRESS> /etc/maas return anything?
[19:40] <blake_r> kiko: ah no I am wrong
[19:41] <blake_r> kiko: this actually comes from the region
[19:41] <kiko> ah
[19:42] <blake_r> kiko: its because he has it them all set to unmanaged
[19:42] <blake_r> kiko: the region is then trying to say okay from this node, where should we say to get the images
[19:42] <bdx> kiko, blake_r: I removed lxcbr0 - <IP_ADDRESS> net from the maas server a while ago.... although it looks like I never removed it from the maas cluster interfaces
[19:43] <blake_r> kiko: since noe are managed it just makes the best guess.....
[19:43] <bdx> kiko, blake_r: I should probably remove <IP_ADDRESS> from my cluster interfaces and retry a deploy yea?
[19:43] <kiko> blake_r, of course
[19:43] <blake_r> kiko: which is not the correct guess
[19:43] <blake_r> bdx: yes
[19:43] <kiko> bdx, how do we tell maas to give it this interface, specifically :)
[19:44] <blake_r> kiko: the region does it best, but since its not managing the DHCP it cannot determine what ip address this node has, since the DHCP is not managed by maas
[19:44] <bdx> kiko, blake_r: seeing as the interface is unmanaged and it never posed an issue while maas was managing dns/dhcp....I guess I never payed it any attention
[19:45] <blake_r> bdx: just delete all interfaces, except the one you want the nodes to communicate on
[19:45] <bdx> done.
[19:45] <blake_r> bdx: yeah I bet that will work for you, let me know
[19:45] <bdx> will do... omp
[19:56] <bdx> blake_r, kiko: It worked
[19:56] <blake_r> bdx: great!
[19:56] <bdx> :-):-)
[19:57] <bdx> I am so releived...this has been plaguing me....and to think the install log was starring me in the face the whole time
[19:58] <bdx> kiko, blake_r: THANK YOU
[19:58] <bdx> x10
[19:58] <bdx> x1000
[19:58] <blake_r> bdx: your welcome
[19:59] <bdx> kiko, blake_r: It seems the node was given the hostname "ubuntu"
[20:00] <bdx> kiko, blake_r: Is this something I should resolve with a cloud-init post-deploy config script or a modification to the preseed?
[20:00] <blake_r> bdx: no cloud-init and maas already do that for you
[20:00] <blake_r> bdx: it should get the same name as the name in MAAS
[20:00] <blake_r> bdx: are you able to ssh in to the machine?
[20:00] <blake_r> bdx: cloud-init might have failed
[20:01] <bdx> yeah...by hostname
[20:01] <bdx> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:01] <blake_r> on the machine is the hostname "ubuntu" or just in your dns server?
[20:01] <blake_r> whats the output of hostname on the server?
[20:02] <bdx> ahhh...when I ssh into the machine it shows its hostname from maas....just dns gets an entry for ubuntu.tfawint.com instead of excited-battle.tfawint.com
[20:02] <blake_r> yeah that is something to do with your dns server then
[20:02] <blake_r> since your not using maas dns
[20:03] <bdx> I see....the dns server was getting the correct fqdn entries created when a node commissions
[20:04] <blake_r> that is probably because the server DHCP before it sets it hostname
[20:04] <blake_r> it needs an IP address before it can contact MAAS for cloud-init data
[20:04] <blake_r> a reboot of the server might fix your DNS server
[20:06] <bdx> totally....I'll reboot all servers and see what I can't figure out on my own.....I'll let you guys know if I get stuck again.....thanks again for your help
[20:10] <bdx> blake_r: rebooting the deployed node forced the correct entry to be created with the correct fqdn!
[20:11] <blake_r> bdx: awesome
[20:18] <kiko> bdx, cool, happy you sorted it out
[20:18] <kiko> blake_r, should I file a bug to cover that use case? it is so obvious in hindsight
[20:18] <blake_r> kiko: yeah
[20:18] <kiko> krad
[20:20] <kiko> blake_r, do you know where the code that "guesses" the interface is?
[20:20] <kiko> blake_r, I'm trying to get some context to help me file a bug summary with less than 200 lines
[20:21] <blake_r> kiko: yep
[20:21] <blake_r> kiko: one second
[20:21] <blake_r> kiko: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~maas-committers/maas/trunk/view/head:/src/maasserver/preseed.py#L588
[20:22] <kiko> how about
[20:22] <kiko> "Deploying from a multi-homed cluster controller with external DHCP/DNS fails by giving the machine the wrong IP for the cluster controller"
[20:22] <kiko> that comment is interesting
[20:23] <blake_r> multi-homes? I would say, "with multiple unmanaged interfaces"
[20:27] <bdx> blake_r, kilo: wow, so the multiple unmanaged interfaces is a documented bug then?
[20:27] <bdx> kiko*
[20:27] <kiko> not documented yet
[20:27] <kiko> but soon :)
[20:27] <kiko> bdx, I'm curious why a machine on <IP_ADDRESS> couldn't reach the lxcbr0 interface. was it firewalled off?
[20:28] <kiko> oh, it doesn't route though the cluster controller, that's why
[20:28] <bdx> kiko: I had deleted lxcbr0 a while back...it hasn't existed for > 2 months
[20:29] <bdx> at the os level
[20:29] <kiko> I see
[20:29] <kiko> is the cluster controller the router?
[20:29] <kiko> if it isn't, it wouldn't have worked anyway :)
[20:30] <bdx> no....I have vlans trunked in on my maas-controller eth0....from when I was trying to deploy openstack and use multiple nets.
[20:32] <bdx> kiko, blake_r: unfortunately I have not had any luck deploying anything when using > 1 interface managed by maas
[20:32] <kiko> bdx, interesting, that may be yet another bug
[20:33] <mup> Bug #1463555 opened: Deploying from a multi-homed cluster controller with external DHCP/DNS fails by giving the machine the wrong IP for the cluster controller <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1463555>
[20:33] <blake_r> bdx: can you give more detail information on what you mean?
[20:33] <bdx> kiko, blake_r: My workaround was to use external dhcp for all nets that maas was not managing.
[20:34] <kiko> bdx, blake_r: it may stem from the same naive algorithm that code uses
[20:35] <blake_r> kiko: maybe'
[20:35] <kiko> it seems to think it's a good idea to search through the IPs on the cluster
[20:35] <blake_r> bdx: can you give an example configuration
[20:35] <kiko> instead of trying to match the IP the node is asking on
[20:35] <kiko> that's a recipe for badness
[20:36] <blake_r> kiko: yeah we actually know the ip address the node is requesting on the cluster, that just needs to be passed to the region to generate the preseed
[20:36] <kiko> exactly
[20:36] <kiko> blake_r, add a comment to that effect in the bug maybe
[20:36] <kiko> and bdx your comments welcome as well
[20:36] <bdx> kiko, blake_r: Lets say I have storage nodes that need secondary interfaces on a replication net....If I were to add maas managed dhcp on the net which the nodes secondary interface lives...in order to have that interface get an ip when the node boots ....
[20:37] <bdx> kiko, blake_r: enlistment and commissioning completely fail
[20:38] <bdx> kiko: thanks
[20:38] <blake_r> bdx: so you have MAAS providing DHCP on two interfaces? in different subnets, and that fails if a node is on both those interfaces?
[20:39] <blake_r> bdx: do you have any logs or anything for this error?
[20:39] <bdx> blake_r: true true
[20:39] <bdx> blake_r: I could have them fairly easily
[20:40] <blake_r> bdx: that would be helpful, if you could file a bug with that information
[20:42] <bdx> blake_r, kiko: I'll file a bug concerning that issue.....I feel this is one of the biggest disconnects between juju <-> maas. Juju encourages through charm config params the use of multiple networks in many charms
[20:42] <kiko> right, which MAAS doesn't get very right
[20:42] <kiko> blake_r, again, I think it may stem from the same bad code
[20:42] <bdx> true
[20:42] <kiko> if we try and hunt through interfaces without taking into account the requesting IP..
[20:42] <kiko> okay I need to split
[20:43]  * kiko waves


[07:14] <dholbach> good morning
[10:51] <daker> hello, anyone with some snappy/Ubuntu Core presentations ?
[11:00] <ogra_> daker, try #snappy
[11:01] <ogra_> ;)
[11:01] <daker> ogra_: thanks!
[13:02] <bzoltan_> popey: who to contact about the clock app?
[13:02] <popey> bzoltan_: what about it?
[13:02] <bzoltan_> popey:  the AP tests have few problems :) one of them is that they do not start... they simple hang
[13:03] <popey> Oh dear.
[13:03] <popey> First instance, file a bug.
[13:03] <popey> lp:ubuntu-clock-app
[13:03] <popey> nik90 isn't around right now, but I'm sure he'll see the bug report
[13:07] <bzoltan_> popey: done that -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1503684
[13:07] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1503684 in Ubuntu Clock App "Autopilot tests do not start" [Undecided,New]
[13:13] <popey> thanks bzoltan_
[13:14] <popey> bzoltan_: isnt this the problem with the location popup?
[13:15] <popey> yeah, marking as a dupe i think
[13:18] <bzoltan_> popey: really? wow..
[13:18] <bzoltan_> that was quick
[13:19] <bzoltan_> popey: I am not sure if that is a duplicate... in my case the tests do not even start...until I hit Ctrl+C .... when they start
[13:27] <popey> hmm
[16:56] <karni> Hey folks. I have libthumbnailer-qt-dev installed on a device (rc-proposed), but I'm not seeing the package in an up-to-date 15.04 click chroot. Ideas? "E: Unable to locate package libthumbnailer-qt-dev"
[17:19] <popey> karni: the click chroot doesn't match the phone, you often have to add things to the base chroot
[17:19] <popey> (I do anyway)
[17:20] <karni> popey: yes, I just added the phone ppa to it, thanks :)
[17:20] <popey> yeah, thats what I did
[17:20] <karni> cheers :)
[19:35] <mhall119> bzoltan_: I think the API docs in wily are bad, if you look at https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04.1/Ubuntu.Components.AdaptivePageLayout/ the import statement is Ubuntu.Components 1.2
[19:36] <mhall119> it seems most Ubuntu.Components stuff in https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04.1/ says to import 1.2, in fact