[00:02] <Demon_Jester> it has multiple gpilu im plugged into the front. back is probably default
[00:02] <TJ-> That would explain it!
[00:05] <Demon_Jester> still nothing on back plug. as long as i can ssh im find.
[00:06] <TJ-> yes. check "/var/log/dmesg" for clues as to which GPU/head has been selected as the primary
[00:06] <TJ-> All my servers are on remote network KVM so I always ensure the heads are connected correctly
[00:06] <Demon_Jester> great now to see why ssh isnt working.
[00:13] <Demon_Jester> one more question since i made a new account i dont have a home directory would that cause any problems when installing packages?
[00:14] <tmontney> Anyone able to assist me with a postfix/dovecot issue?
[00:15] <TJ-> Demon_Jester: A home directory is usually created automatically, if you use "adduser"
[00:19] <Demon_Jester> hmm maybe i need to restarr
[00:19] <Demon_Jester> restart
[00:27] <tmontney> I am only able to send e-mails from my domain but I cannot receive any e-mails.
[02:20] <erkburgles> is there anyone here familiar with Evolution
[02:21] <ianorlin> erkburgles: isn't that a desktop mail client
[02:21] <erkburgles> yes
[02:21] <erkburgles> want to get reminders on desktop from evolution without opening the application?
[02:24] <erkburgles> werd
[05:23] <neonixcoder> What is the best way to upgrade a production headless server remotely?
[05:23] <neonixcoder> I am planing to upgrade from 10.04 to 14.04, which will be in two steps 10.04 to 12.04 then from 12.04 to 14.04
[05:24] <neonixcoder> any suggestions?  As I tried to upgrade my machine with "do-release-upgrade -f DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive" but no positive result..
[05:46] <tonyyarusso> neonixcoder: I've never used the -f option before.  Ideally you have some sort of management console access, but I've done it just via SSH before.
[05:46] <neonixcoder> Thanks for the reply tonyyarusso
[05:47] <neonixcoder> The problem is I will not have console access as these machines are located remotely and can be accessed via 3G only..
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> 3G only huh?  That's a bit special.
[05:49] <tonyyarusso> How far is the drive if they don't come back up?
[05:49] <neonixcoder> yes..
[05:50] <neonixcoder> It depends.. we even have some stuff in middle of Aus desserts which are like 3000km from Sydney :(
[05:50] <tonyyarusso> nice
[05:51] <neonixcoder> Which are connected with 3G or just Satlink to connect and remote manage..
[05:51] <tonyyarusso> Furthest I've had to drive for physical access was about 2 hours - kind of a fun day actually.
[05:51] <neonixcoder> yes..
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> Oh, one thing I will say - run the upgrade process inside of screen, so if your SSH connection drops you can reconnect.
[05:53] <neonixcoder> tonyyarusso: Is there any tool before upgrade can we just emulate changes and see if something may go wrong after upgrade?
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> Not that I know of - for that depth of check you have to try upgrading an identical test system.
[05:54] <neonixcoder> tonyyarusso: I tried screen, but somehow once the system reboots, it struck up at kernel panic..
[05:55] <neonixcoder> right now trying in a lab machine before moving to prod..
[05:55] <neonixcoder> but non getting success..
[07:08] <Hexch> Hi Just updated ubuntu to 12.04.5, removed vmware-tools, installed open-vm-tools and random I get INFO: Task blocked for more than 120 sec...
[07:09] <Hexch> Re-installed vmware-tools and I have not faced the problem since.
[07:09] <Hexch> Is it a known bug with open-vm-tools? Cause I seemed not to finde anything about it.
[10:08] <lordievader> Lurchy: I allways look at this guide for WOL: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=234588
[15:29] <Pici> bug 10000
[15:35] <lordievader> Ouch
[15:43] <Stuxnet> Hi all. Newbie here. Simple question. If you use wget to download a tar.gz file because it's not available as a package from the repositories it installs with "python setup.py install" how are you supposed to uninstall it? Not able to find any kidn of uninstall script.
[15:43] <Stuxnet> The program in question is DenyHosts-2.5 (old one I know that is why I wish to remove and install the latest which I think will be installed under different names/directories)
[15:44] <lordievader> Stuxnet: If it's available in pip, pip has am uninstall command.
[15:44] <lordievader> DenyHosts is in pip.
[15:44] <Stuxnet> Ok
[15:47] <Stuxnet> Thanks a lot lordievader, that worked. :)
[15:47] <lordievader> ;)
[17:24] <micahg> hi, would one of the people more familiar with openstack please be able to test neutron-lbaas-agent with haproxy from my PPA so I can publish the haproxy backport, it's for a security update (bug 1473162)
[17:24] <micahg> I just need a simple run test that it still works with the new version on trusty
[19:11] <roracle> okay guys, i'm already running Concrete5 on my apache server, BUT UBUNTU APACHE is SO different, I have ZERO clue how to set up another virtual site
[19:12] <roracle> i'm editing sites-enabled/default-ssl.conf is that right?
[19:12] <teward> roracle: no, you edit sites-available/default-ssl.conf if you're adding a new site to that config.  BUt the correct thing to do is make a separate site configuration in sites-available
[19:12] <teward> make that VirtualHost block, etc.
[19:13] <teward> then a2ensite TheNewconfig.conf
[19:13] <roracle> okay there's either default or 000
[19:13] <teward> (I think(
[19:13] <teward> roracle: so create a new one?
[19:13] <roracle> well 000 has port 80 for my default port while "default" has some god awful port number
[19:15] <teward> roracle: you're wanting to create a whole new site that your server can serve?
[19:15] <teward> i.e. NOT what's already present
[19:16] <roracle> teward: yes
[19:16] <teward> then don't use the existing configuration files
[19:16] <teward> at all
[19:16] <teward> create a brand new one
[19:17] <teward> put the configuration in that
[19:17] <teward> a2ensite that new configuration file
[19:17] <roracle> i don't get it... why when Apache is heavily documented that Ubuntu decided to change it all up?
[19:17] <roracle> i don't understand what a2ensite means
[19:17] <TJ-> roracle: See https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/httpd.html
[19:17]  * teward rolls eyes
[19:18] <roracle> yes, i suck at this, sorry i am more inclined to game development, yes it's my fault lol
[19:18] <teward> a2ensite is a utility script/command
[19:18] <teward> `man a2ensite`
[19:18] <teward> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/en/man8/a2ensite.8.html
[19:18] <genii> Probably also: man a2enmod
[19:18] <teward> that as well
[19:19] <teward> for enabling/disabling Apache modules (such as SSL)
[19:19] <roracle> omg this is nuts
[19:19] <teward> no it's really not
[19:20] <teward> it's a different dynamic of thinking than that of a software developer
[19:20] <roracle> i might end up not using ubuntu in the end because i got used to all the documentatino i read on apache, then found out all of it was wrong, and now i'm totally confused on what to do and have to keep reminding myself that i have to look it up since it's not what i learned intiially
[19:20] <teward> what documentation did you even look a
[19:20] <teward> t
[19:20] <teward> you haven't stated which documentation you're using
[19:20] <roracle> apache's doc
[19:20] <teward> WHICH doc from Apache
[19:20] <teward> they have about two billion docs
[19:20] <teward> plus different versions of apache's documentation
[19:21] <roracle> yes, the ones for apache2 httpd, i didn't realize it was that big of a difference
[19:21] <sarnold> all the apache docs I'm familiar with discuss directives and options, not configuration layouts
[19:21] <roracle> apparently they have this "httpd.conf" file that should be edited.  then i find out in ubuntu, it's allllll split up
[19:21] <roracle> so what did make sense doesn't now
[19:21] <patdk-wk> heh?
[19:22] <patdk-wk> no one has a single httpd.conf unless your using apache from source
[19:22] <teward> ^ that
[19:22] <teward> quite literally that
[19:22] <TJ-> roracle: The rationale is from Debian; the idea is that if you confine your own site's directives to your own files in the /etc/apache2/*-available/ directories, and use a2{en,dis}{site,mod,conf} tools to create/remove symbolic links in /etc/apache2/*-enabled/ directories, then any changes to the Debian/Ubuntu distributed packages will not over-write change any of your own site's custom settings.
[19:22] <sarnold> there's a huge difference between the apache 2.2 that shipped in 12.04 LTS and the 2.4 that shipped in 14.04 LTS, thuogh, is that the source of your confusion?
[19:22] <teward> sarnold: he's confused about file layouts
[19:22] <teward> sarnold: i.e. "wtf do i do to add a new site host block"
[19:22] <patdk-wk> he is upset that *insert tutorial here* does not work directly
[19:22] <teward> ^ that too
[19:22] <patdk-wk> cause it's specific to apache, and not debian/ubuntu
[19:22] <roracle> maybe
[19:23] <teward> roracle: the ONLY DIFFERENCE between Apache's source documentation for adding a new server block
[19:23] <teward> and Ubuntu/Debian's handling of it
[19:23] <teward> is that you put your individual site VirtualHost blocks into a different file
[19:23] <patdk-wk> if you want, ubunt still supports one large httpd.conf if you use it
[19:23] <roracle> okay well what do i TYPE exactly then?
[19:23] <teward> and use the utility script to symlink it to sites-enabled/somefilenamehere
[19:23] <patdk-wk> it is normally an empty file, but you can fill it up
[19:23] <teward> roracle: YourTextEditorHere /etc/apache2/sites-available/MySite.conf
[19:24] <teward> replace YourTextEditorHere with your given text editor
[19:24] <teward> and MySite.conf with something more descriptive (but keep .conf at the end)
[19:24] <roracle> i'm not here to learn perse, but i learn by DOING and it's like I learned 1+1=2 and now it's like everyone is saying 1+1=3 and it's really a mind messer
[19:24] <roracle> okay
[19:24] <TJ-> roracle: If you were to directly edit the configuration files that the apache2 Debian/Ubuntu packages ship then any updates (think security) would require administrator intervention to merge any changes in those config files if they conflict with the site-specific changes
[19:24] <teward> if you aren't going to listen to me trying to help you right now i'll go back to squishing server bugs
[19:24] <JanC> roracle: Debian/Ubuntu-specific Apache setup is documented in /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz
[19:24] <teward> (which is actually less painful than end-user support.)
[19:24] <roracle> no teward it's that everyone is saying stuff to me
[19:25] <teward> roracle: then learn to ignore people.  focus on one thing at a time
[19:25] <teward> roracle: the problem with IRC chat is it's easy to get overwhelmed, so what you need to do is focus
[19:25] <roracle> okay so each site will have a different conf file, and i need a new one made, NOT add a block to existing ones?
[19:25] <teward> roracle: correct.
[19:25] <TJ-> roracle: Correct :)
[19:26] <teward> roracle: so you can very easily disable one site without having to manually find and remove the configuration directives
[19:26] <teward> roracle: once you've followed that command, you've got an empty file.  Put your configuration directives for the VirtualHost blocks there.
[19:26] <JanC> roracle: and you really should always read README.Debian for packages that have it  :)
[19:26] <roracle> okay see the Apache docs had me adding to the file which confused me
[19:26] <teward> roracle: that's the FromSource method
[19:26] <teward> roracle: the only difference is we have a different definition of where the site configurations go.  It's actually to help improve the friendliness of administration
[19:26] <roracle> yeah, i just never realized each distro was going to be so very different.  you don't expect a calculator to rearrange the numbers, ya know?
[19:27] <roracle> yeah i see that now
[19:27] <TJ-> roracle: FYI something else that might trip you up later is that in Debian/Ubuntu the executable (running process) name is "apache2" not "httpd"
[19:27] <roracle> well i'm in Ubuntu and it's running as apache2
[19:27] <sarnold> roracle: heh, have you compared a phone versus a calculator lately? :)
[19:27] <teward> roracle: to continue what i was saying: after you've added the configuration to the MySite.conf or w/e you named it, save the file.  Then run `sudo a2ensite MySite.conf`
[19:27] <roracle> okay cool
[19:27] <roracle> brb
[19:27] <patdk-wk> sarnold, my phones no longer even have numbers
[19:27] <teward> then run `sudo service apache2 reload`.  Your site *should* then come up
[19:27] <teward> provided you have the modules you need enabled
[19:28] <sarnold> patdk-wk: hehe :)
[19:28] <teward> sarnold: even with calculators - the internal coding is widely different in terms of code style, etc.
[19:28] <teward> including fluff
[19:28] <patdk-wk> are we talking rpn?
[19:28]  * teward shrugs
[19:28] <sarnold> teward: please don't get me down a calculator nostalgia rathole, I've already been down the orbital mechanics rathole today..
[19:28] <teward> In Other News: landscape-client should not run on anything with less than 256MB RAM
[19:29] <roracle> okay i made the file, do i need to change perms on it or anything?
[19:29] <roracle> because it doesn't see the file there at all
[19:29] <roracle> but it is
[19:29] <teward> roracle: ls -al /etc/apache2/sites-available
[19:29] <patdk-wk> did you link it? a2ensite
[19:29] <patdk-wk> I think that is the command :)
[19:29] <JanC> and you need to reload apache
[19:29] <teward> roracle: did you also run `sudo a2ensite FooBarBaz.conf`, then do `sudo service apache2 reload`, like I said
[19:29] <roracle> okay i just made the file, haven't run a2ensite because when i did it says it's not there, though it is
[19:30] <teward> and yes i just throw random stuff in for filenames that i don't know what they really are :)
[19:30] <teward> roracle: is it in /etc/apache2/sites-available
[19:30] <teward> or in sites-enabled
[19:30] <sarnold> roracle: make sure the .conf is there -- the scripts look for that.
[19:30] <roracle> yes sites-enabled
[19:30] <roracle> and it's a conf file
[19:30] <teward> roracle: don't put it there
[19:30] <roracle> i called it "blog.conf"
[19:30] <roracle> oh?
[19:31] <teward> roracle: sudo mv /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/blog.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/blog.conf
[19:31] <teward> it goes in sites-available, not sites-enabled
[19:31] <teward> then run the `sudo a2ensite blog.conf` and `sudo service apache2 reload` commands
[19:31] <teward> roracle: the a2ensite and a2dissite scripts are designed such that your config never really leaves sites-available, and is linked into sites-enabled
[19:32] <teward> specifically that when you reload the configurations with `sudo service apache2 reload` you don't have to remove the config file from disk and move it to somewhere else on disk
[19:32] <roracle> okay
[19:32] <roracle> i just ran it all, now what?
[19:32] <roracle> restared and everything
[19:32] <roracle> and it's not working
[19:32] <teward> roracle: go to the domain you set in the virtualhost block
[19:32] <roracle> i told it blog.ghostlightgames.com
[19:32] <roracle> and i go there and nothing
[19:33] <teward> roracle: does that domain point to your site/server's IP address?
[19:33] <roracle> yes
[19:33] <roracle> or it should
[19:33] <roracle> i can get to the main page
[19:33] <roracle> www.ghostlightgames.com
[19:33] <roracle> it's the main page
[19:33] <teward> % dnsget -t ANY blog.ghostlightgames.com
[19:33] <teward> dnsget: unable to lookup ANY record for blog.ghostlightgames.com: domain name does not exist
[19:33] <roracle> but i'm trying to add blog.ghostlightgames.com
[19:33] <teward> roracle: www.ghostlightgames.com probably resolves.  You need to add a DNS record for blog.ghostlightgames.com, wherever your dns is done
[19:34] <roracle> like with godaddy?
[19:34] <teward> or whoever does your DNs
[19:34] <roracle> yeah that's them
[19:34] <teward> then to there, add another DNS record, this time for blog.  not www or @, but blog.
[19:34] <patdk-wk> without the . :)
[19:34] <teward> then either a CNAME to ghostlightgames.com like your www. site has.  Or an A record.
[19:34] <teward> Correct.
[19:35] <roracle> okay
[19:35] <teward> patdk-wk: that was sentences though, because some of us actually care enough to type in full sentences :)
[19:35] <patdk-wk> yes, but expecially dns, it can cause breakage
[19:35] <teward> patdk-wk: that was sentences though, because some of us actually care enough to type in full sentences :)
[19:35] <patdk-wk> but hopefully, that dns editing gui, wouldn't allow a dot in that location
[19:35] <teward> oops
[19:35] <teward> but yes
[19:36] <teward> patdk-wk: indeed.  it gets tricky when you run your own DNS servers xD
[19:36] <teward> then you have to edit the zonefiles direct :P
[19:36] <roracle> so what do i do exactly now i'm logged into godaddy?
[19:36] <roracle> zonefiles?
[19:36] <patdk-wk> dunno, whatever they do
[19:36] <teward> roracle: i don't use godaddy, you'll need someone else to guide you with godaddy dns, but i think they have instructions around
[19:37] <teward> https://www.godaddy.com/help/managing-dns-for-your-domain-names-680
[19:37] <teward> roracle: ^
[19:38] <teward> roracle: HOst = blog
[19:38] <teward> Record Type = CNAME
[19:38] <roracle> eh?
[19:38] <roracle> okay
[19:38] <teward> Points To = ghostlightgames.com
[19:38] <teward> save changes
[19:38] <teward> then wait
[19:39] <teward> leave TTL alone
[19:39] <teward> sarnold: who do i complain about memory usage of landscape-client to?
[19:39] <teward> Canonical?
[19:39] <sarnold> teward: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/landscape-client  "Report a bug"
[19:40] <teward> sarnold: not sure if it's a bug
[19:40] <teward> moreso a question of min-specs-for-use
[19:40] <teward> not for LDS (the server side), but the client
[19:40] <sarnold> teward: thuogh "run in less than 256 megs ram" might be outright impossible, the thing's writtn in python, right? :)
[19:40] <teward> sarnold: no clue, but it got OOM killed then the server went and flopped on me on the VPS
[19:40] <teward> host
[19:40] <teward> gah, i hate keyboards sometimes
[19:40] <roracle> where would it "point to" exactly?  www says it points to "@" but should blog also point to "@"?
[19:40] <teward> roracle: use @
[19:41] <teward> roracle: that's a shortcut for what I said your Points To is
[19:41] <roracle> okay and should i wait or should it be automatic?
[19:41] <teward> roracle: hit "save changes" then give it a few minutes
[19:41] <teward> and then i'll check and see if Google's picked it up yet
[19:41] <teward> if not, you may have to wait up to 2 days
[19:42] <roracle> okay
[19:42] <sarnold> google specifically has a button to let you say "ignore the TTL I've set, please refresh your cache"
[19:42] <teward> :P
[19:42] <roracle> i know when i first signed up it worked immediately to the main site
[19:42] <teward> roracle: on your computer, type this in:  `host blog.ghostlightgames.com`
[19:42] <teward> without the `
[19:42] <teward> does it return anything?
[19:42] <roracle> on the server?
[19:43] <roracle> yeah it works
[19:43] <teward> no i meant your computer
[19:43] <teward> not the server
[19:43] <roracle> oh
[19:43] <roracle> well my system here i'm on is a windows gaming laptop
[19:43] <teward> same difference
[19:43] <teward> i think
[19:43] <roracle> server is over on desk
[19:43] <teward> or nslookup
[19:43] <teward> i forget
[19:43]  * teward turns to his windows computer
[19:44] <teward> roracle: open command prompt.  nslookup -
[19:44] <roracle> yeah it gives output
[19:44] <teward> roracle: then type this: set querytype=CNAME
[19:44] <teward> roracle: then type blog.ghostlightgames.com
[19:45] <teward> roracle: does it return some info like this?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11874021/
[19:45] <teward> or at least saying the domain exists
[19:45] <teward> roracle: i get to a WP install page
[19:45] <teward> install WP and remove your install files soon
[19:45] <teward> before a malicious threat actor nukes your WP
[19:46] <roracle> that link is exactly what my linux output was
[19:46] <teward> roracle: then you're all set - go to your site and set up wordpress
[19:46] <teward> fast
[19:46] <teward> before a malicious person does that for you xD
[19:47] <roracle> nice
[19:49] <roracle> now will this allow other users to make a name/pw and access it?
[19:49] <roracle> i know it's not your realm but i figured i'd ask
[19:49] <teward> roracle: that's a wordpress issue
[19:49] <teward> you have to configure it first
[19:49] <teward> roracle: depending if you enable it or not users may be able to register or not
[19:49] <teward> mine, i disabled registrations on (see dark-net.net
[19:50] <teward> i don't see a register button though
[19:50] <roracle> okay, i'll have to connect via my phone tethering (i use a router to the server, it doesn't work proeprly going to the domain while i'm on the same network as the server)
[19:54] <teward> roracle: your wordpress questions would be better suited for #wordpress though
[20:06] <qhartman> Anyone have any recommendations for an inexpensive temperature monitoring device that integrates well with nagios? Ideally I'd like something that has support for a few remote sensors
[20:07] <qhartman> Everything I've found so far is either major overkill, or isn't really quite enough. Having a hard time finding "jsut right".
[20:08] <patdk-wk> ipmi works well
[20:10] <qhartman> true, and I have some quick and dirty scripts that watch that for the internal server temps, but I'd like to know ambient in a couple places in the room, as well as the supply temp from the air handler
[20:10] <qhartman> So I can catch things earlier
[20:15] <qhartman> In typical IRC fashion, as soon as I asked my question I hit upon something that looks liek a good solution: http://www.itwatchdogs.com/climate-monitor-watchdog-100-p67.html
[20:17] <teward> qhartman: hate to say an arduino, but...
[20:17] <teward> probably nothing 'inexpensive' if you want it to report back
[20:18] <teward> (we have three arduinos at different spots in a server room to monitor temps...)
[20:18] <qhartman> yeah, I'd be happy to roll my own if I weren't spread so thin already, but as it is, paying a bit for something that works OOB is worth it.
[20:19] <qhartman> teward, I'd be glad to learn more about your setups though if you have references you could point me to.
[20:19] <teward> qhartman: i didn't set them up, sorry
[20:19] <teward> i know they're in the room, I don't know who built em up or configured em
[20:20] <qhartman> womp womp. Thanks though
[20:21] <TJ-> They're quite a few USB temperature sensors that present on a ttyUSB* interface
[20:21] <TJ-> s/They're/There are/
[20:23] <TJ-> Instead of the optional temp/humidity sensors for my Server Technology CDUs I used this:  http://www.dlpdesign.com/usb/th1.shtml
[20:24] <qhartman> Neat. Though, at $90 each, it's nearly the cost of the stand-alone unit I linked above with the number of locations I want to monitor.
[20:25] <qhartman> $430 vs $360
[20:25] <TJ-> Yeah... there are multi-channel alternatives, but I only need to monitor 2 cabinets
[20:26] <qhartman> right
[20:26] <qhartman> thanks for the suggestion though
[20:26] <qhartman> good device to know about
[20:26] <sarnold> I've long wanted a reason to try out ibutton / 1-wire devices
[20:27] <qhartman> that would be fun
[20:28] <TJ-> qhartman: This is another I found after I'd bought, and integrates woth nagios: http://www.finnie.org/2010/03/07/external-temperature-monitoring-with-linux/
[20:29] <qhartman> cool, thanks