[23:05] <alraune> Orly2: you want : cp -r /var  /my/folder/anywhere,  then eiter sudo it or own the folder anywhere to you
[23:06] <idletask> androidbruce: would be quite long, unless you already know how to partition a disk/make filesystems
[23:06] <glebihan> crazy2be: startx will start a X session with the currently logged in user
[23:06] <alraune> !grub | prajul_
[23:06] <tcm5025> can anyone help? i'm trying to install ubuntu off my usb stick and the farthest I get is past the screen where it shows the ubuntu logo graphic and a loading bar. then the screen goes blank...
[23:06] <Guest31994> Dr_Willis, thanks for the hint, probably chowning back all the directory to my user should work as well, i guess so
[23:06] <jy_moustache> sometux, section module and section Device/BusID ?
[23:07] <jy_moustache> sometux, (i can't see the line numbers)
[23:07] <kneaux> how do I enable support for .deb packages on ubuntu? (10.04 server)
[23:07] <Dr_Willis> Guest31994:  yep. or just remove the files and let xfce remake them.
[23:07] <MichealKenny> do i get kicked for being on windows :P
[23:07] <alraune> kneaux: it's there by default, dpkg in commandline
[23:07] <ZykoticK9> kneaux, DEB is the natively supported package for ubuntu?  what are you actually trying to do?
[23:07] <sometux> jy_moustache: the load lines and the BusID
[23:08] <kneaux> i downloaded the .deb for Gnaural, apparently <whatever opens files> doesn't know how to open .deb's
[23:08]  * kneaux is pretty new here
[23:09] <ZykoticK9> kneaux, "sudo dpkg -i PACKAGENAME.deb" to install
[23:09] <kneaux> specifically, archive manager opened the .deb and didn't know what to do
haha, ok, so simple in the end :) was totally out of ideas, thanks a lot man! ;)
[23:09] <jy_moustache> sometux, tried to startx on that and says the same error "(EE) [drm] failed to open device" and "(EE) No devices detected"
[23:09] <Dr_Willis> kneaux:  try 'sudo gdebi whtever.deb' also.
[23:09] <forti> all pepol only informatics is the channel
[23:09] <Isonyx> Hello...
[23:09] <tcm5025> can anyone help me with installation of ubuntu?
[23:09] <Isonyx> Hey Ok..So I have eclipse..Which can be found at eclipse.org I believe...Every time I try to compile or run a C or C++ program It says Launch Failed Binary Not Found. I looked it up online..It says to install Netbeans and Cygwin and it will work..I have both..It dosen't work. Can anyone help?
[23:09] <forti> plzes stop now
[23:09] <forti> one moment
[23:09] <Dr_Willis> Guest31994:  if you hadent done the sudo in the first place.. it would of worked I imagine.
[23:09] <glebihan> !topic | forti
[23:09] <kneaux> zykotick9, dr_willis: thanks - how do i associate the file type with that command?
[23:09] <bazhang> forti, please stay on topic
[23:09] <hiexpo> hola Dr_Willis
[23:10] <Dr_Willis> kneaux:  right click on a deb. open with gdebi-gtk (i think)
[23:10] <tcm5025>  /topic does nothing...
[23:10] <bazhang> forti, this is not a chat channel; #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[23:10] <Isonyx> Hey Ok..So I have eclipse..Which can be found at eclipse.org I believe...Every time I try to compile or run a C or C++ program It says Launch Failed Binary Not Found. I looked it up online..It says to install Netbeans and Cygwin and it will work..I have both..It dosen't work. Can anyone help?
[23:10] <forti> I looked for my topic Ubunto is her now
[23:10] <forti> :_
[23:10] <forti> :)
[23:10] <Isonyx> Im not sure about running programs on Linux etc.
[23:10] <forti> I lik1d
[23:10] <sometux> jy_moustache: what drivers you use?
[23:10] <bazhang> forti, stop that
[23:10] <Dr_Willis> Isonyx:  install cygwin on a linux system? Sure you are reading the right guides?
[23:10] <jy_moustache> sometux, the latest nvidia ones
[23:10] <idletask> Isonyx: this is rather an Eclipse problem
[23:11] <Isonyx> Mhmm.
[23:11] <tcm5025> #ubuntu-beginners
[23:11] <Dr_Willis> Isonyx:  you proberly want the build-essential package
[23:11] <Isonyx> How else can I get the Eclipse : Launch Failed. Binary not found. Error to go away?
[23:11] <forti> for my first linux in all server is start only slackware linux
[23:11] <Dr_Willis> !b-e
[23:11] <bazhang> !ot | forti
[23:11] <forti> sorry
[23:11] <glebihan> !ot | forti
[23:11] <kneaux> dr_willis: i don't have gdebi-gtk, is there an alternative?
[23:11] <forti> :) \
[23:12] <tcm5025> #ubuntu-beginners
[23:12] <Dr_Willis> willis@cow:~$ gdebi
[23:12] <Dr_Willis> gdebi      gdebi-gtk  gdebi-kde
[23:12] <Guest31994> Dr_Willis, yeah, i guess, it messed up all the files it touched.. logging out of root profile now, xchat told it's a stupid thing to do it from root :D
[23:12] <Dr_Willis> Guest31994:  and its right.
[23:12] <glebihan> kneaux: in terminal you can use gdebi
[23:12] <elijah> Can I mount DMG files directly inside Linux? I am trying to mount DMG files which are actually FAT32 from my camcorder, they esixt on a HFSPLUS partiion on an external drive.
[23:12] <idletask> 2.6.35 kernel from kernel-ppa has btrfs support - great
[23:12] <Dr_Willis> kneaux:  sudo gdebi foo.deb works from the terminal. thats what i use 90% of the time these days
[23:13] <kneaux> glebihan: it's not installed. i just prefer not to install new packages, is there a slim sexy gui-less version of this available?
[23:13] <Dr_Willis> !hfs
[23:13] <sometux> jy_moustache: start your X server using this command sudo service gdm start
[23:13] <prajul_> alraune:do u know about the calculation of vruntime in linux kernel
[23:13] <Isonyx> Hey Ok..So I have eclipse..Which can be found at eclipse.org I believe...Every time I try to compile or run a C or C++ program It says Launch Failed Binary Not Found. Can anyone help?
[23:13] <glebihan> kneaux: how can you not have gdebi installed on ubuntu ?
[23:13] <forti> netstat -tcp ?
[23:13] <jy_moustache> sometux, that's the one that gave me the error
[23:13] <Dr_Willis> elijah:  i think it may be able to read hfs, but im not sure about hfs+
[23:13] <alraune> prajul_: no
[23:13] <Orly2> god torrent clients?
[23:13] <jy_moustache> sometux, i starting to think reinstalling
[23:14] <Orly2> without Transmission
[23:14] <Dr_Willis> glebihan:  well in 10.10 - its not instaleld by default any more >:) thats one way
[23:14] <kneaux> glebihan: i'm running ubuntu-server
[23:14] <Isonyx> Hey Ok..So I have eclipse..Which can be found at eclipse.org I believe...Every time I try to compile or run a C or C++ program It says Launch Failed Binary Not Found. Can anyone help?
[23:14] <jy_moustache> sometux, what do you think ?
[23:14] <Dr_Willis> Orly2:  theres dozens of them out there. it depends on your needs.
[23:14] <xangua> Orly2: enter 'torrent' in the software center
[23:14] <glebihan> Dr_Willis: yes but he's on 10.04 (and I didn't know that)
[23:14] <idletask> Isonyx: again, that's an Eclipse problem, nothing to do with Ubuntu
[23:14] <Isonyx> Eh..
[23:14] <Isonyx> Can you direct me to an appropriate channel?
[23:14] <Dr_Willis> Isonyx:  You have installed the 'build-essential' package? (like i mentioned earlier?)
[23:14] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, is gdebi part of aptitude?
[23:14] <sometux> jy_moustache: but don't forget to backup your data
[23:14] <Dr_Willis> !be | Isonyx
[23:14] <Dr_Willis> !b-e | Isonyx
[23:15] <idletask> Isonyx: you may first want to google for "ubuntu eclipse"
[23:15] <jy_moustache> sometux, :)
[23:15] <idletask> I'm sure there's a repo somewhere for that
[23:15] <Dr_Willis> ZykoticK9:  its a gui front end. its nice in that it checks and pulls in needed deps for a .deb packge.
[23:15] <Dr_Willis> !eclipse
[23:15] <sometux> jy_moustache: first try the open source driver
[23:16] <hiexpo> adddeb repo's
[23:16] <elijah> Dr_Willis: I can view the HFS partition just fine but when I try to mount the DMG file using mount -t hfsplus -o loop <filename.dmg> I get an error "wrong fs type..."
[23:16] <elijah> , if I do a mount -t fat32 -o loop <f.dmg> I also get an error but different, "unknown filesystem type 'FAT32'"
[23:16] <jy_moustache> sometux, actually it worked just fined until today
[23:16] <kneaux> glebihan, Dr_Willis: so i could entirely apt the package, but i'd rather figure out a way to associate it with a dpkg command to save time, love and money. that said, i'm giving up in t-2m. If anyone can give me an answer, I'll give you a netjob.
[23:16] <idletask> elijah: I'm not sure dmg files are loopback files at all
[23:17] <elijah> I am basically trying to mount FAT32 DMGs.
[23:17] <idletask> elijah: maybe there's a FUSE module for dmg files?
[23:17] <jy_moustache> sometux, i upgraded the driver version as suggeste automatically and since ... trouble
[23:17] <glebihan> kneaux: dpkg -i package.deb
[23:17] <sometux> jy_moustache: if you want to install the proprietary driver, go to system -> administration -> additional drivers
[23:17] <elijah> idletask: How would I find that out?
[23:17] <jy_moustache> sometux, s'what i did :)
[23:18] <Dr_Willis> kneaux:  in the next release .deb's will be assoicated with the  Software control center thing.
[23:18] <kneaux> dr_willis: wicked cool
[23:18] <Dr_Willis> kneaux:  would be if the softare center thign was not lacking in so many ways...
[23:18] <idletask> Oh, well I'm wrong, actually, those _are_ disk image files
[23:18] <sometux> jy_moustache: why don't you try to remove the driver first
[23:18] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, sorry i thought you said that gdebi wasn't install in mav, and i knew aptitude wasn't install in mav by default.  so was just curious if they where related (and it would make sense they are, apt-get + dpkg & aptitude + gdebi) - i remember you introducing me to gdebi a couple of months ago :)
[23:18] <jy_moustache> sometux, good idea i'll try that
[23:19] <Dr_Willis> ZykoticK9:  in 10.10 its not. :) being replaced. .deb -> default app will be the software center.
[23:19] <kneaux> glebihan, i'll fondle around with the file association handler, thingy, i'm not sure how to pass it the filename ($$1 or w/e) but if it works i'll stop talking
[23:19] <bobo123> eduedix: have you searched for "sis m650" +ubuntu on the web? perhaps forum have discussed it and found a better solution
[23:19] <Dr_Willis> ZykoticK9:  apitude and synaptic also being not instaleld byd efault
[23:19] <elijah> idletask: When I do a "file filename.dmg" I get "VAX COFF executable"
[23:20] <kneaux> oh, open with custom command > dpkg -i ?
[23:20] <glebihan> kneaux: the command I gave will only work in a terminal, you could use a little script to open a terminal automatically
[23:20] <Dr_Willis> kneaux:  given how rarely one actually installs .deb's - its proberly nor worth  working to much on. :)
[23:20] <glebihan> kneaux: or specify Terminal=true in .desktop file
[23:21] <kneaux> Dr_Willis, LIES >:D
[23:21] <bobo123> Dr_Willis: what?? synaptic not installed by default in ubuntu10.10???
[23:21] <Dr_Willis> kneaux:  'xterm -e sudo dpkg -i $1'   or similer.
[23:21] <crazy2be> glebihan: How does GNOME start itself when you log in with the login manager (e.g. gdm)?
[23:21] <Dr_Willis> bobo123:  correct.  (thats how i hear it)
[23:21] <kneaux> Dr_Willis, awesome
[23:21] <kneaux> Dr_Willis, you read my mind
[23:21] <bobo123> ouch!
[23:21] <jy_moustache> sometux, doesn't work either
[23:21] <glebihan> crazy2be: this is handled by the Xsession files
[23:21] <idletask> elijah: it means that it's a compressed DMG, according to this page --> http://viaforensics.com/iphone-forensics/mount-dmg-file-mac-disk-image-linux-2.html
[23:21] <Dr_Willis> kneaux:  rather a waste of effort. given how well gdebi handles it...
[23:22] <kneaux> dr_willis: but now, my system is still pequen~o and pretty.
[23:22] <idletask> elijah: so, according to this same page, you need a utility called dmg2img
[23:22] <Dr_Willis> night all...
[23:22] <glebihan> kneaux: I don't understand why you wouldn't want to use gdebi
[23:22] <hsr> Dr_Willis: Good night
[23:23] <kneaux> glebihan: because i don't want to use anything extra. it's not a great reason, but it's still a good reason.
[23:23] <glebihan> kneaux: in that case, I don't see how you can handle file association without some script
[23:23] <kneaux> for one, i'm trying to learn the system better, and for another it's just more elegant to have less...stuff
[23:24] <eduedix> bobo123: unfortunately there is no solution to this particular problem, i have to use vesa drivers
[23:24] <kneaux> glebihan: point is the script necessary has a smaller footprint
[23:24] <eduedix> bobo123: but it also doesnt seem to be willing to help me
[23:24] <wrinkliez> hey guys, does the ps3 controller work with ubuntu?
[23:24] <glebihan> kneaux: so what you need is help writing this script ?
[23:24] <wrinkliez> (usb, not bluetooth?)
[23:25] <prajul_> alraune:is it possible to download  required debian pkgs for an application (vlc) using apt-get to some other folder /var/cache/apt/archives
[23:26] <kneaux> glebihan, more or less. i'm not sure if it'd have to be a specific executable file, though. i do work through x->gnome, and whatever handles file associations has the "use custom command" thang (obviously)
[23:26] <drew2121> im having trouble getting my touchpad extra features to work in ubuntu. This is a new laptop so the features have never worked.
[23:26] <glebihan> kneaux: yes but in order to use dpkg, you'll need a terminal to be opened
[23:26] <egsome> drew212, Which features do you mean ?
[23:27] <idletask> drew2121: are you using the synaptics driver?
[23:27] <drew2121> idletask: i believe so, it came preinstalled
[23:27] <drew2121> there is no "touchpad" tab when i go to the mouse configuration window though
[23:28] <jy_moustache> sometux, thanx for your help. i'm reinstalling :-/
[23:28] <kneaux> glebihan, xterm -e does that, yeah? the question i now have is how to keep it open after the process is finished.
[23:28] <alraune> prajul_: yes, apt-depends lists the packages, and you can wget the packages to any folder
[23:28] <Leron> Sorry if I'm intruding, but could somebody help me out with switching the pull out direction of a nested drawer in Ubuntu?
[23:28] <eduedix> bobo123: i think i fixed it
[23:28] <jy_moustache> sometux, no harm intended thanx a lot !!
[23:28] <drew2121> idletask xinput list shows ImPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse
[23:28] <glebihan> kneaux: yes I think I got what you need
[23:29] <idletask> drew2121: which means you don't actually use it as a touchpad
[23:29] <kneaux> leron: where's your panel, what direction is the drawer opening and what direction do you want it to? (i probably can't answer but i'm interested)
[23:29] <glebihan> kneaux: set as custom command "xterm -e 'sudo gdebi %f'"
[23:29] <drew2121> idletask: how do i change that?
[23:29] <kneaux> :D
[23:29] <kneaux> okay fine
[23:29] <idletask> drew2121: I don't really know, in fact I don't have a touchpad
[23:29] <Leron> kneaux: The drawer is on the left side of the bottom panel. It opens straight up, and the drawer inside of it opens to the left, which pushes it off the screen
[23:29] <drew2121> ok...
[23:30] <drew2121> idletask: i think its a problem with hal
[23:30] <prajul_> alraune:will those pkgs work if i tried to install them manually on some later versions on ubuntu
[23:30] <glebihan> kneaux: I meant "xterm -e 'sudo dpkg -i %f'", sorry
[23:30] <eden> ola
[23:30] <eduedix> bobo123: lol i had to set up VertSync and HorizRefresh options in xorg.conf
[23:30] <eden> Alguem brazil?
[23:30] <hsr> Are /tmp folder files safe to delete?
[23:30] <kneaux> glebihan, okay, that won't close my terminal after 'sudo dpkg' is finished?
[23:30] <glebihan> kneaux: yes it will
[23:31] <xover> hi guys
[23:31] <bazhang> eden, #ubuntu-br
[23:31] <drew2121> idletask: kernel isnt detecting my touchpad as a mouse is what the problem is...
[23:31] <kneaux> glebihan, i want it to stay open
[23:31] <xover> my cpus and gpu are 80 degrees and my fans are not increasing from idle
[23:31] <alraune> prajul_: bad risk, then you rather look in the package archive of the the actual distro, else can break your apt there ; FYI : http://www.debianadmin.com/put-an-unpacked-deb-file-back-together-using-dpkg-repack.html , but not in different distros, there you will wget the right version
[23:31] <kneaux> glebihan, will putting a '&' at the end accomplish this?
[23:31] <glebihan> kneaux: then you're really going to need a little script
[23:31] <idletask> kneaux: no it won't
[23:31] <glebihan> kneaux: no this won't work
[23:31] <kneaux> ;(
[23:32] <kneaux> okay well this has all been informative, so thank you
[23:32] <idletask> kneaux: maybe screen will do what you want
[23:32] <kevin_> Hello
[23:33] <kneaux> but nevertheless i'm having a terrible nervous breakdown and i think the best thing to do is just install gdebi like you said in the first place ;)
[23:33] <glebihan> kneaux: :)
[23:33] <drew2121> do i need to open a bug report if kernel isn't detecting my touchpad correctly?
[23:33] <glebihan> kneaux: we were almost there...
[23:33] <kneaux> glebihan, i shouldn't give up then?
[23:33] <idletask> Actually...
[23:33] <idletask> I think there's a wat
[23:34] <idletask> way
[23:34] <glebihan> kneaux: no, in 2 minutes we have a solution
[23:35] <idletask> kneaux: can you try xterm -e 'date; exec /bin/bash'?
[23:35] <iop> :-(
[23:35] <kneaux> glebihan, ideally this is my framework: the filetype handler [i'm still not clear on what it is, nautilus? some bit of it?] gives a specific command involving 'xterm' and 'sudo dpkg', but the terminal it spawns stays open after the process is finished (so i can see the results, etc etc)
[23:35] <kevin_> does anyone know how to enable text to speech recognition in ubuntu 10.04?
[23:35] <tensorpudding> kevin_: I think festival does that.
[23:36] <alraune> drew212: is it listed as supported somewhre ? did you try the onboard-drivers of ubuntu, aka synatics and others ?
[23:36] <kneaux> idletask, xterm: Can't execvp date; exec /bin/bash: No such file or directory
[23:36] <idletask> Ah, OK
[23:36] <glebihan> kneaux: following idletask's idea, you can put "xterm -e 'dpkg -i %f;/bin/bash'"
[23:36] <glebihan> kneaux: this should do the trick
[23:36] <idletask> No, that won't work
[23:36] <glebihan> idletask: just tested it works
[23:36] <idletask> xterm execs a single line, it seems
[23:36] <kevin_> ahh ok will search ubuntu software center for festival thanks have a great night
[23:36] <idletask> Oh
[23:37] <idletask> Strange
[23:37] <glebihan> kneaux: forgot the sudo, but I think you'll be able to add it
[23:38] <kneaux> glebihan, barely ahead of you. turns out i downloaded the i386 instead of the x64, but the file association works! thanks a boatload
[23:38] <glebihan> kneaux: you're welcome
[23:38] <brad8171> hello everyone
[23:38] <kneaux> THAT SAID, how do I now go in and delete the bad file associations so nautilus doesn't display them in the "open with:" menu?
[23:39] <ganooch> can someone tell me how to connect to irc.moofspeak.net?
[23:39] <rlankfo>  /connect irc.moofspeak.net
[23:39] <ganooch> thanks
[23:39] <alraune> kneaux:: left-click > properties
[23:40] <ganooch> connect irc.moofspeak.net
[23:40] <kneaux> alraune, thanks
[23:40] <ganooch> -connect irc.mopofspeak.net
[23:40] <Leman_Russ> Hi.  Anyone know much about .ppd files with regards to getting a printer working?
[23:40] <kneaux> also, hah, gnaural appears to not have an x64 .deb package. BUT THANKS FOR THE HELP, GUYZ :D
[23:40] <docster> i just installed ubuntu server, and the file /boot/grub/menu.lst doesn't exist. any ideas anyone ?
[23:40] <Leman_Russ> I have the .ppd file for my printer, but it doesn't seem to work?
[23:41] <bazhang> docster, not there in grub2
[23:41] <bazhang> !grub2 | docster check here
[23:41] <alraune> docster: it's grub2 now, so it's fine that way
[23:41] <alraune> !grub2
[23:41] <zwormi> Fr?
[23:41] <docster> thanks guys
[23:41] <hsr> IRC is crashing a lot
[23:41] <bazhang> zwormi, #ubuntu-fr for french
[23:41] <kneaux> i assume there's not a general compatibility package for running x386 packages on x64, right?
[23:42] <iop> Are /tmp folder files safe to delete?
[23:42] <alraune> kneaux: you can use use getdebs, but not generally supported;; which app ?
[23:42] <idletask> kneaux: yes there is
[23:42] <bazhang> iop, why would you want to
[23:42] <idletask> kneaux: maybe you already have the linux32 command
[23:42] <Leron> kneaux: Like I said, the nested drawer opens to the left, but I want it to open to the right so it stops going off screen. Do you or does anyone have a suggestion for a fix?
[23:43] <idletask> kneaux: that's what you need - linux32 thecmd
[23:43] <iop> bazhang: Aren't they supposed to be deleted by thmeselves?
[23:43] <andrewfree> Anyone here got a camera working with ubuntu before?
[23:43] <bazhang> iop, on a restart?
[23:43] <andrewfree> It shows up in /dev/video0 so its a start
[23:43] <alraune> andrewfree: few
[23:43] <frxstrem> I have a Lenovo ThinkPad T510i laptop. After installing Ubuntu 10.04 onto it, the "Rescue and Recovery" partion that shipped with the computer will no longer boot up, since GRUB didn't recognize it. Does anyone know how to either configure GRUB to recognize this partition, or uninstall GRUB?
[23:43] <crazy2be> andrewfree: my webcam works perfectly
[23:43] <andrewfree> used zoneminder?
[23:44] <iop> bazhang: I don't know/// They are same whenever i see them
[23:44] <iop> bazhang: I don't know whats there importance is!
[23:44] <bazhang> iop, best not to touch stuff in / unless you know what you're doing
[23:44] <glebihan> kneaux: I'm still playing, if you want to have a nice label for your custom label instead of "xterm", you can do that too
[23:45] <silverpower> Is there any particular reason why Nautilus would scramble the file order when I copy MP3s to my music player?
[23:45] <iop> bazhang: But aren't /tmp files 'temporary'?
[23:45] <bazhang> iop, don't delete them manually
[23:45] <iop> bazhang: Okay.. do you use Amarok?
[23:45] <bazhang> iop, no
[23:45] <glebihan> iop: you can't know which application is using them if it will still need them
[23:46] <kneaux> leron: sorry, i'm not an expert on gnome. i just wanted everyone to know the parameters of your problem.
[23:46] <iop> bazhang: Which netbook you are running ubuntu on?
[23:46] <kneaux> glebihan, i'm not sure i understand
[23:46] <Leron> kneaux: that's fine, thanks for your time
[23:47] <bazhang> iop, this is getting offtopic; #ubuntu-offtopic for chat
[23:47] <glebihan> kneaux: when you right-click on a deb package, I guess the label of the default command is "xterm" ?
[23:47] <kneaux> like, making a file that does this (i.e. a bash script called dpkg-term)?
[23:47] <Leron> Anyone else know how to make a nested drawer open in a different direction?
[23:47] <bobo123> eduedix: did you get the graphics to work? nice!
[23:47] <kneaux> glebihan, yeah i get what you're saying now
[23:47] <iop> IRC crashing in ubuntu...help
[23:47] <glebihan> kneaux: you can change this to a better value
[23:47] <xover> hi
[23:47] <^james_foo^> silverpower: the file order you see in nautilus is just for display. on the filesystem the order may or may not be different. it totally depends on the application that displays/uses the files
[23:47] <xover> this is urgent, please inform me how i can control fan speed?
[23:47] <xover> my fans are not spinning up from idle
[23:48] <glebihan> kneaux: but as I said, I'm just playing
[23:48] <kneaux> glebihan, do tell
[23:48] <docster> guys, my cardbus pci adapter doesn't get detected. i should add the option "pci=assign-busses" to my grub config. any ideas how to do this since the config seems to be built dynamically in grub2 ?
[23:48] <kneaux> glebihan, according to scientology, everything's a game anyway
[23:48] <alraune> !fan | xover
[23:48] <bobo123> eduedix: you should write down how you made it work on a webpage somewhere for others to search&find later
[23:49] <glebihan> kneaux: in ~/.local/share/applications, you'll find a file named "userapp-xterm-*.desktop"
[23:49] <bobo123> eduedix: perhaps you could add a comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-sis/+bug/368871
[23:49] <andrewfree> $5 to whoever wants to help me setup this camera in zoneminder, just PM me
[23:49] <glebihan> kneaux: edit it and change the Name value to what you want
[23:49] <silverpower> ^james_foo^, um... well, my *player* can't play my MP3s in the correct order - the previous transfers, done on Win7, are ordered correctly, but the ones I did in Nautilus have a scrambled order. It's infuriating.
[23:49] <kneaux> glebihan, edit it where? there's no edit button on the "open with" tab in properties
[23:50] <glebihan> kneaux: yes, because by default nautilus executes desktop files, you'll have to use a terminal to open it
[23:50] <kneaux> idletask, Note, selecting util-linux instead of linux32/
[23:50] <kneaux> util-linux is already the newest version.
[23:50] <xover> alraune, my fan is not spinning, its sitting at idle
[23:50] <silverpower> I just wondered whether it's shuffling my files without telling me, or trying to be cute with that MTP stuff.
[23:50] <xover> allowing my cpus to burn, why
[23:50] <xover> the sensors are workin
[23:50] <prajul_> alraune:does the command dpkg-repack vlc make a pkg containing all the dependent files atleast for the same release of ubuntu
[23:50] <kneaux> glebihan, what should i open in terminal?
[23:51] <alraune> xover: install lm sensors, see if values/sensors are shown, then can control it;; which hardware ?
[23:51] <thune3> silverpower: most mp3 players use id3tag for filename info for ordering. I have seen some that use creation/modification times, and it is just infuriating in general. If you player supports playlists, you might have some luck setting up those.
[23:51] <glebihan> kneaux: in terminal, type "gedit ~/.local/share/application/xterm..."
[23:51] <thune3> silverpower: *or filename
[23:51] <^james_foo^> silverpower: there *is* no order of files that you should rely on. use a playlist. or let the player play them in alnum order. the order of transfer only sets the file timestamp. if you play in order of timestamp, well, then nautilus is not hte best copier
[23:52] <Aviram> I really need help guys
[23:52] <alraune> prajul_: no, that will just give a vlc.deb, apt-depends vlc shows the dependencies
[23:52] <Aviram> I can't fix my drivers and I can't remove fglrx in order to reinstall it..
[23:52] <silverpower> ^james_foo^, noted. I'll use MC to do my transfers, then, because my player relies on that behavior.
[23:52] <silverpower> (yes, it's a sweatshop special.)
[23:52] <seidos> how good would ubuntu be if everybody that used it was a hacker?  O_o
[23:52] <kneaux> glebihan, i have ~/.local/share/applications/ but there's no xterm and no ../application/
[23:52] <Aviram> I really need help >:(
[23:52] <alraune> xover: sudo apt-get install lm-sensors && sudo sensors-detect                       ,answer yes to load/write found ones
[23:53] <idletask> seidos: it would be hopeless, hackers are not the primary target of Ubuntu
[23:53] <bobo123> is it possible to set synaptic to not just go install packages that is "recomended"? To more like give an opt-in list the recomended ones for me to select if I want during installation of a program like krusader?
[23:53] <idletask> You don't want Ubuntu to become Gentoo, do you?
[23:53] <prajul_> alraune:is it possible to pack all dependent files into a single  dpkg file
[23:53] <glebihan> kneaux: yes it's applications, and the file must be named somthing like "userapp-xterm-*.desktop"
[23:53] <^james_foo^> seidos: it would me much smaller
[23:53] <Aviram> Anyone? :(
[23:53] <bjaanes> What happens if you force dd to quit? disk to disk copy
[23:53] <thune3> bobo123: there is a --no-install-recommends switch
[23:54] <seidos> ^james_foo^, you mean not as much hd and ram usage?  you think gnome would be included?
[23:54] <prajul_> alraune:just like the installation file that we get in windows
[23:54] <Aviram> Anyone got an idea?
[23:54] <alraune> prajul_: you rather have a simple script to intstall them
[23:54] <idletask> bjaanes: well, it stops
[23:54] <thune3> bobo123: and it is possible to change the default behaviour, i could look that up if you wish
[23:54] <idletask> Quite undramatically
[23:54] <bobo123> seidos: it whould be nice though if ubuntu helped the users to painlessly become hackers :-)
[23:54] <kneaux> glebihan, okay, sorry i didn't notice. i have four files in .../aplications/ named 'userapp-xterm-<hash>.desktop', i'll go check them out now
[23:54] <bobo123> thune3: ok
[23:54] <seidos> but, my original statement was that every current user, was able to improve the system by modifying the source code.
[23:54] <^james_foo^> seidos: uh? gnome *is* included
[23:54] <Aviram> zz
[23:55] <^james_foo^> seidos: oic. yes. gnome would *still* be included :)
[23:55] <glebihan> kneaux: once you're done, you'll have to restart nautilus in order for changes to be applied
[23:55] <alraune> xover:kinda hardware ? modern pwm (3wire) fans ?
[23:55] <seidos> ^james_foo^, what do you mean by "smaller"?
[23:55]  * seidos meanders to ubuntu-offtopic.
[23:55] <xover> alraune, macbook pro
[23:55] <^james_foo^> seidos: i think you're looking for debian
[23:55] <docster> guys, how do i add an option such as for example pci=assign-busses in grub2 ?
[23:55] <bjaanes> idletask: orly? :P I just wondered if there were any risk of corrupting the disk (ofc the of= could be, but how about if=)
[23:55] <elitexray> UNIX really came from berkely?
[23:56] <Aviram> Anyone got an idea how do I remove fglrx in order to reinstall it?
[23:56] <alraune> xover: so I guess so, no personal experience with it, sudo pwmconfig           <<throws error ?
[23:56] <idletask> bjaanes: dd will never botch its source file
[23:56] <^james_foo^> elitexray: bsd came from berkely
[23:56] <al_> whats the notation to "allow" all addresses in range 192.168.1.x ?
[23:56] <idletask> Fortunately
[23:56] <bjaanes> idletask: thanks, all i wanted to know :D
[23:56] <seidos> ^james_foo^, no, i think i'm thinking along the lines of what bobo123 was saying.  like ubuntu taught everybody to be a hacker.
[23:57] <bazhang> !ot | elitexray seidos
[23:57] <xover> alraune, pwm-capable sensor modules installed
[23:57] <xover> alraune, "There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed"
[23:57] <^james_foo^> seidos: calm down and wait 10 years :)
[23:58] <alraune> xover: you ran the sensors-detect ? some found ?
[23:58] <Kendalja> hello
[23:58] <elitexray> Ubuntu forum hasn't been able to give me support on my video driver issue
[23:58] <Kendalja> I just downloaded the Ubuntu 10.10 netbook iso
[23:58] <bobo123> seidos: I would love to be able to rightclick on the titlebar on any application and select "Change this program" and ubuntu should automaticly download the source and load it in an userfriendly integrated development editor. (and in the IDE's the run-menu have a "put my changed program back into /usr/bin/whatever)
[23:58] <Kendalja> how do I get it on a usb stick?
[23:58] <bazhang> Kendalja, #ubuntu+1 for that
[23:58] <elitexray> Neither wine, nor ubuntu irc chat
[23:58] <madch0z> i haev a question.... ubuntu keeps turning my screen off and locking down. how do i keep it from doing that?
[23:58] <seidos> bobo123, talk to me in ubuntu-offtopic or pm
[23:59] <alraune> !unetbootin > Kendalja
[23:59] <bazhang> madch0z, set in screensaver preferences
[23:59] <madch0z> bazhang: thanks. ... isnt ba zhang chinese? eight somethin...
[23:59] <th0r> madch0z: it might also be a power config setting


[18:18] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:18] <mdeslaur> \o
[18:19] <jjohansen> o/
[18:19]  * sbeattie waves
[18:19] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:19] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep 15 18:20:11 2014 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:19] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:19] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:20] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[18:20] <jdstrand> Otto Kekaelaeinen (otto) provided a debdiff for trusty for mariadb-5.5 (LP: #1363222)
[18:20] <jdstrand> Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[18:20] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:20] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:20] <jdstrand> I'm on community
[18:20] <jdstrand> I will be working on the apparmor landing as my first priority
[18:21] <jdstrand> I also want to look at tightening lxc apparmor policy
[18:22] <jdstrand> as well as updating UCT for tracking derivative branches (eg, ubuntu-rtm)
[18:22] <jdstrand> I didn't get to patch piloting last week, so plan to this week
[18:22] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[18:22] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:22] <mdeslaur> I'm currently testing some django updates
[18:22] <mdeslaur> and have a couple of embargoed issues to work on
[18:23] <mdeslaur> and continuing to go down the CVE list
[18:23] <mdeslaur> that's it, sbeattie, tag, you're it
[18:23] <sbeattie> I'm on apparmor again this week
[18:23] <sbeattie> My first priority is the apparmor landing
[18:23]  * jdstrand should have said 'apparmor kernel landing'-- the userspace bits are in
[18:24] <sbeattie> right
[18:24] <sbeattie> I'm also planning on digging into some bugs that weren't blockers for userspace landing
[18:25] <sbeattie> That's pretty much it for my week; tyhicks?
[18:25] <tyhicks> I'm focusing on the apparmor kernel landing
[18:25] <tyhicks> within ~30 minutes of this meeting ending, I'll be sending out a parser and man page fix, as well as a bunch of AF_UNIX regression tests
[18:26] <tyhicks> then I'll start working on whatever bug jjohansen needs me to work on
[18:26] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[18:26] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[18:26] <jjohansen> well with some many people working on the apparmor kernel landing, I guess I can take the week off?
[18:26] <mdeslaur> lol :)
[18:27] <jjohansen> sigh, well okay I guess I am working on the apparmor kernel landing too
[18:27] <jjohansen> I specifically am working on fixes the last few bugs that we know of
[18:27] <mdeslaur> jjohansen: the plan is for everyone to hold hands in a circle around you and chant "go jj, go jj, go jj"
[18:28] <jjohansen> thanks for the reminder, I'll remember to bring my noise canceling headphones
[18:29] <jjohansen> if I get time I also have some patches I need to upstream
[18:29] <jjohansen> I don't have anything elese sarnold, you are up
[18:30] <mdeslaur> I think sarnold had to leave, who's next?
[18:31] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson if he is here
[18:31] <jdstrand> we can give him a few minutes
[18:33] <chrisccoulson> hi, I'm kind of hovering around still
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> so, last week, I got lots of tests written for the security status API in oxide (and found some bugs too)
[18:35] <chrisccoulson> this week, I'll have a chromium update to get out. I also still need to publish the corresponding oxide update too
[18:35] <chrisccoulson> other than that, I shall be mostly focusing on bug 1260016
[18:35] <chrisccoulson> that's me done
[18:37] <jdstrand> thanks
[18:37] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:37] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:37] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:37] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/docker.io.html
[18:37] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pyfribidi.html
[18:37] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/transifex-client.html
[18:37] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/dracut.html
[18:37] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/bip.html
[18:37] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:38] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:43] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, chrisccoulson: thanks!
[18:43] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:43] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 15 18:43:27 2014 UTC.
[18:43] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-09-15-18.20.moin.txt
[18:43] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[18:43] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[18:43] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand


[01:45] <ahoneybun> Yay no more flatpak errors and it works.
[01:45] <ahoneybun>     - Don't propagate GStreamer-related environment variables into sandbox
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 Hello
 @RikMills valorie I have a draft for the 5.24.2 release on 21.10 on the site.
 Nice. I haven't started the build yet though :P (re @ahoneybun: @RikMills valorie I have a draft for the 5.24.2 release on 21.10 on the site.)
 Well I'm getting us ready when you do !
 *hugs*
 👍
 going to upload to jammy in a few mins, then I will start the 21.10 ones building
 Yay!
[19:14] <mmikowski> Hey team, we at Kubuntu Focus are looking at ways to provide customers with better system rollback solutions.
[19:15] <mmikowski> We have a working prototype with luks+ext4 which is nice, but the snapshot sizes grow very quickly and it requires a good deal of additional disk space.
[19:20] <mmikowski> Correction: that's luks+lvm+ext4. Pretty standard layout, just with extra space for snapshots.
[19:21] <mmikowski> The other approach we were looking at is luks+btrfs (no luks). This appears to work well as POC, but I was curious what others felt about this setup.
[19:21] <mmikowski> fwiw, almost-FDE is completely a requirement here.
[19:21] <mmikowski> Also, if there is interest in adding an upstream option on btrfs, we can certainly contribute our work.
[19:28] <mmikowski> So any recommendations on btrfs + luks? Any warnings? Any interest in upstreaming for perhaps as luks+btrfs option?
 I think it depends if ubiquity can handle it, not sure if you still use that.
[20:24] <mmikowski> Hi Aaron. Yeah, we can probably rework Ubiquity to handle that.
 Good luck with the code haha
 mmikowski while I have you in here where is the code for the keyboard color software that you ship with?
 @ahoneybun I can probably get that for you, hang on...
 @ahoneybun It was pretty much my brainchild. It's in this .deb file if you want to extract that. There's no compiled binaries, it's all a script: https://launchpad.net/~kfocus-team/+archive/ubuntu/release/+files/kfocus-kb-color_20.04.106_all.deb
 I had something similar here: https://github.com/ahoneybun/keyboard-color-switcher
 I think yours does a lot more .
 Oh cool!
 Yeah, it should work on anything that uses the tuxedo-keyboard driver.
 I've been reading our own dmidecode to find the model so it won't work for you unless you are doing something to dmidecode for kfocus.
 Well, we only have two models that can use it (the M1 and M2), so it's pretty easy to sort that out.
 Oh yea super easy on that end.
 Do you have plans on supporting Coreboot? Your models are the galp and oryp for us I believe so it shouldn't be too hard.
 Are these Sager or right from Clevo?
 We have no plans to support Coreboot at this time.
 Ah that's understandable.
 We go through Sager because they're an authorized Clevo service center.
 Ah that's fair.
 So the M2 and the XE.
 Yeah, those are the two current models. The M1 is legacy.
 I've just gotten back into working on Kubuntu stuff so still feeling around lol
 Oh, absolutely. :)
 https://github.com/kubuntu-team/kubuntu-manual ;)
 trying out readthedocs with the kubuntu-docs repo though.
[21:19] <mmikowski> @ahoneybun KDE has been really kicking it recently. Nate Graham has done a great job of communicating and coordinating product vision that really helps the casual user.
 Yes he has indeed.
 I had a PR accepted and filed one bug so far lol
[21:20] <mmikowski> It's funny, many issues that are an issue in Gnome-based ditros are alleviated with KDE.  OTOH, the reverse is also true.
[21:21] <mmikowski> A great example is the issue with packagekit and kernel cleanup - not an issue in stock ubuntu because packagekit isn't used.
 This is my bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449813
 speaking of packagekit
 @RikMills can we set times to work or review the feature tour for 22.04 LTS?
 I really want to update that for the next LTS.
 or valoria.
 or valorie
[21:43] <valorie> sorry, in a meeting right now
[21:46] <mmikowski> @ahoneybun I'm curious if you are you planning the feature tour to be a document, video, or something else?
 I was just going to update the photos as we needed.
 We're a bit limited on what WP will support.
 A video is a bit iffy since it takes more time to edit to update.
[21:47] <mmikowski> Ah, WP = Word Press
 Yep
[21:51] <mmikowski> thanks @ahoneybun
 👍


[14:16] <bac> sinzui: thanks for your review.  for some reason i didn't get a copy via email so i just now saw it.  bothersome.
[14:17] <sinzui> bac: I used the UI for my review.
[14:17]  * sinzui checks his own mail
[14:17] <bac> sinzui: but an email still should've been sent
[14:18] <sinzui> yes, and I did get a copy of my review
[14:51] <adiroiban> EdwinGrubbs: when you have some time, can you please review the latest changes from here https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adiroiban/launchpad/bug-540105/+merge/21552 ? Thanks!
[14:52] <EdwinGrubbs> ok
[14:56] <rockstar> Holy crap, is that seriously the queue?
[15:11] <rockstar> james_w, I know what's going wrong with your ec2...  I figured it out last night.
[15:11] <james_w> ORLY?
[15:11] <rockstar> james_w, basically, I was running it with my personal key credentials which kill all instances after two hours.  I should be using my Canonical credentials.
[15:11] <james_w> ah
[15:12] <rockstar> Was a backup restore issue...  Running new ec2 instances of a few things now, one of which is yours.
[15:13] <james_w> thanks
[15:28] <salgado> rockstar, any chance I can jump the queue with my one-liner: https://code.launchpad.net/~salgado/launchpad/bug-540697/+merge/21648 ?
[17:06] <salgado> thanks for the review, rockstar!
[17:07] <rockstar> salgado, no problem.
[17:11] <noodles775> Hey rockstar, if/when you've time, the branch referenced in the queue is this one: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/launchpad/529926-partner-override-to-main/+merge/21329
[17:12] <rockstar> noodles775, yeah, I've just been looking through +activereviews and am working through them.
[17:12] <rockstar> noodles775, did you not take a shift at reviewing today?
[17:21] <noodles775> rockstar: no, soyuz team is sprinting this week.
[17:22] <noodles775> rockstar: so I've just been doing swaps :)
[17:22] <rockstar> noodles775, okay, that makes sense then.  Was wondering why the queue was so monstrous.  :)
[18:41] <rockstar> james_w, ping
[18:42] <james_w> hi rockstar
[18:42] <rockstar> james_w, where's your mp?
[18:43] <james_w> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~james-w/launchpad/package-merge-proposal-permissions
[18:44] <rockstar> james_w, ah, jml has already reviewed it.
[18:45] <james_w> rockstar: but not with my fixes
[18:46] <jml> james_w, sorry, I'll get to it.
[18:46] <james_w> thanks jml
[18:47] <james_w> should be straightforward, I just did as you told me
[19:19] <noodles785> Hi rockstar, I see that you processed my MP in some way, but the MP hasn't been updated?
[19:20] <noodles785> (sorry, I mean I saw in the topic that you processed my MP in some way)
[19:22] <rockstar> noodles785, bac had already looked at that
[19:23] <noodles785> rockstar: he just noted there was a conflict, he didn't go any further (see my comment on the MP).
[19:23] <rockstar> noodles785, ah, okay.  I saw the review and thought "hands off"
[19:23] <noodles785> Thanks rockstar !
[19:24] <rockstar> noodles785, just as I thought I was clearing the queue...
[19:28] <noodles775> rockstar: it's much shorter than when you started :)
[19:33] <rockstar> noodles775, :)
[19:38] <EdwinGrubbs> adiroiban: I'll land your branch.
[19:38] <adiroiban> EdwinGrubbs: thanks! :)
[19:44] <rockstar> noodles775, your branch, I am approving it.
[19:51] <jml> james_w, in case you missed it, I got to it.
[19:51] <jml> james_w, do you need me to land it for you?
[19:51] <james_w> yes please
[19:51] <jml> james_w, (would you like commit access?)
[19:51] <james_w> not really, but I do have a backlog building up :-)
[20:35] <noodles775> Thanks rockstar
[22:16] <thumper> trivial code move review for someone: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/move-mailout-functions/+merge/21689
[22:28] <mwhudson> thumper: we try to avoid code in __init__.py i thought, did you think about lp.services.mail.helpers or something?
[22:28] <thumper> mwhudson: hmm... could do
[22:28] <thumper> mwhudson: I notice there are many helpers in sendmail.py
[22:29] <thumper> like format_address
[22:29] <mwhudson> thumper: mmm, indeed
[22:29] <mwhudson> thumper: well, fix as much of this as you like i guess :-)
[22:30] <thumper> :)
[22:30] <thumper> although I was just thinking
[22:30] <thumper> the text_delta isn't explicitly mail oriented
[22:30] <thumper> perhaps it should go somewhere else
[22:30] <thumper> we could move the append_footer into sendmail.py
[22:32] <thumper> hmm
[22:32] <thumper> ObjectDelta and snapshot have been moved into lazr.lifecycle
[22:41] <mwhudson> thumper: it's hard to find a place for sort of miscellaneous useful stuff in our tree
[22:41] <mwhudson> i think there's lp.services.util or something like that
[22:41] <thumper> ah you're back
[22:41] <thumper> yeah, I've moved append_footer into sendmail.py
[22:41] <thumper> and text_delta into lp.services.utils
[22:41] <thumper> pushing now
[22:45] <thumper> mwhudson: diff updated
[22:52] <wgrant> rockstar: Thanks for the reviews. I've fixed the issue you mentioned -- can you please land them both?


[02:39] <micahg> chrisccoulson: wow, you keep crazy hours like me :)
[02:39] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, i normally sleep quite late ;)
[02:39] <chrisccoulson> but i'm going to go to bed shortly
[02:40] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, you can do a release commit as well if you like
[02:40] <chrisccoulson> yeah, can do. i'll do that now
[02:49] <chrisccoulson> micahg, that's done now. i put the tarball here too: http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/
[02:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: great, thanks, I'll see if I can get someone to upload once I merge it in
[02:50] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[02:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm working on a merge for conkeror from debian right now
[02:50] <chrisccoulson> anyway, i must get some sleep now :)
[02:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: night, thanks
[02:50] <chrisccoulson> good night
[02:56] <ddecator> my head hurts...
[02:59] <ddecator> micahg: i have no idea what's causing the problem...
[03:08] <ddecator> the rules file looks like it points to /deps, but then debuild looks in /deps/checkout
[03:08] <micahg> ddecator: there's a foreach loop there
[03:09] <ddecator> micahg: didn't know that was a loop
[03:11] <ddecator> still not seeing where it would look in checkout for the linux-x86_64 folder, but my understanding of code is pretty basic
[03:14] <micahg> ddecator: each of these dirs: checkout build linux-$(MACHINE) under here: $(SRC_DIR)/deps have mkdir -p run against them
[03:15] <ddecator> micahg: what does the -p argument do?
[03:15] <micahg> ddecator: create parent dirs
[03:15] <micahg> then later, it does into deps and decompresses a tarball
[03:16] <micahg> oops
[03:16] <micahg> I have that backwards
[03:16] <micahg> it creates a tarball
[03:19] <ddecator> the 'tar cf - linux-$(MACHINE)' part you mean?
[03:20] <micahg> yeah
[03:20] <micahg> it's failing on the line in between
[03:21] <ddecator> ok...
[03:22] <ddecator> well i say that it creates Makefile.songbird successfully, or at least there is a file in that folder by that name, but i'm not sure what the rest of the line is doing
[03:23] <ddecator> s/say/see
[03:23] <micahg> ddecator: no, make is a program that compiles songbird
[03:25] <micahg> ddecator: or rather executes instructions that then run the compiler to be more precise
[03:25] <ddecator> micahg: ah, ok, so it's running that file as part of the building process?
[03:25] <micahg> yep
[03:27] <ddecator> micahg: ok, i'm not seeing anything in that make file that would cause that crash
[03:29] <ddecator> oh wait...
[03:29] <micahg> ddecator: check the Makefile.songbird and see if you can find the commands there
[03:30] <ddecator> the rules file point out a SB_VENDOR_BUILD_ROOT but the make file looks for SB_VENDOR_BUILD_DIR
[03:31] <micahg> the makefile doesn't look for this at all: SB_VENDOR_BUILD_ROOT?
[03:31] <ddecator> micahg: nope: cd $(SB_VENDOR_BUILD_DIR) && $(CMAKE) $(CMAKE_ARGS) \
[03:32] <micahg> well, you can modify the rules file then, but that's not where it's failing now
[03:33] <ddecator> well...the make file is looking for SB_RUN_CONFIGURE := 0 and the rules file has SB_VENDOR_GENERATE_SYMBOLS=0 but idk if those are related...
[03:34] <micahg> ddecator: it's failing on a find isn't it?
[03:35] <ddecator> micahg: the only "find" in the makefile is this: $(FIND) $(SB_CONFIGURE_PREFIX) -name '*_c.*' -exec rm -v {} \;
[03:36] <micahg> nope
[03:40] <ddecator> it fails after the end of the makefile...
[03:45] <ddecator> no...i'm extremely confused right now
[06:00] <ddecator> well i definitely have a new appreciation for packagers and debuggers...
[11:31] <nikolam> hi. Do you think Seamonkey 2.0 coould be imported in repositories now? There is working 2.0.3 for all supported Ubuntu releases, available on Joe Lesko PPA : https://launchpad.net/~joe-nationnet/+archive/ppa-seamonkey2
[11:32] <nikolam> Bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey/+bug/461864
[11:32] <nikolam> How to make it happen in repositories?
[11:32] <nikolam> What might be the procedure for that?
[13:51] <asac> chrisccoulson: for thunderbird you have to put the upstream tar.bz2 in the checked out bzr tree ... and run the create-orig-source thing or whatever that rule is called
[13:55] <asac> chrisccoulson: anything you need while i am still online in the airport lounge?
[13:55] <chrisccoulson> hi asac
[13:55] <asac> hi
[13:55] <chrisccoulson> i think i'm ok for the time being. micahg merged the security updates in to bzr last night
[13:56] <asac> chrisccoulson: did you figure how to create the +nobinonly tarball from the upstream tarball?
[13:56] <asac> chrisccoulson: hmm. ok i think i should generate the tarball and sponsor it to the security ppa
[13:56] <asac> probably makes most sense
[13:56] <asac> if you want to put the orig.tar.gz somewhere thats even better (or in your own ppa)
[13:57] <asac> e.g. you could put this in your ppa and i can source copy it to the security ppa
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> asac - i put the tarball at http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/
[13:57] <asac> chrisccoulson: you could really upload it to your ppa ,)
[13:57] <asac> i would check an source copy it
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i will do that
[13:58] <asac> then we do one more security round for ffox xul and then i add you to the security ppa team
[13:58] <asac> cool
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> it will take a little while though
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[13:58] <asac> chrisccoulson: well. i will be on the plane ;)
[13:58] <asac> will not be back online until like 2100 UTC
[13:58] <asac> so take your time ;)
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> heh, i will probably have faster upload bandwidth than you while you are flying ;)
[13:59] <asac> right.
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'll do that this afternoon anyway
[13:59] <asac> so when we did that we should someone resurrect the idea to announce such uploads on some blogs/mailing list, so we pick up more security ppa users again ;)
[13:59] <asac> maybe think about doing that ;)
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that sounds like a good idea
[13:59] <asac> the standard notion is:
[13:59] <asac> security ppa is usually safe because only stable updates go there
[14:00] <asac> but its really important and users can make a difference. if they discover a bug they help millions of users ;)
[14:00] <asac> chrisccoulson: i think i should have mails i sent usually
[14:01] <asac> will get such a mail when home ;)(
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> which list did you normally send the mails too?
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> (i could check the archive)
[14:01] <asac> i think ubuntu-mozillateam ;)
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> ah, i'll have a look there
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> thansk
[14:01] <asac> but i probably stopped a year ago or so (basically when i stopped doing backports)
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> s/thansk/thanks
[14:01] <asac> e.g. when dapper went EOL
[14:02] <asac> just was too busy ;) and we had quite a few users at that time
[14:02] <asac> but everytime you dist-upgrade you automatically disable it again
[14:02] <asac> so we should constantly do that ;)
[15:06] <micahg> hi chrisccoulson
[15:06] <chrisccoulson> hi micahg
[15:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: after I went to sleep I realized that I was only subscribe to 2 of the TB stable branches
[15:08] <micahg> I'm merging the other 2 now
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> ah, i did wonder why you only merged 2 ;)
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> i'm just uploading the packages to my PPA now, and asac said he would copy them to the security PPA later
[15:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I guess he can source copy
[15:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can you do the same thing for seamonkey 1.1.19?
[15:10] <chrisccoulson> yeah, can do
[15:10] <micahg> I'll push a seamonkey stable branch for karmic and use lp:seamonkey/1.1 for lulcid
[15:10] <micahg> *lucid
[15:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thunderbird all merged
[15:26] <chrisccoulson> excellent, thanks
[15:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I have to figure out if the same USN applies to seamonkey or a different one
[16:01] <fta> hi
[16:01] <fta> micahg, m-d & tb2, i don't think so.
[16:01] <micahg> fta: k, so, same for seamonkey 1.1, right?
[16:02] <fta> micahg, yep, but it's easy (if not trivial) to add the feature
[16:02] <micahg> fta: it's the last release for SM1.1 and probably TB2 as well, so I don't think it's worth it
[16:03] <fta> k
[16:05] <fta> !info chromium-browser lucid
[16:06] <fta> damn, why isn't 5.0.307.11 there
[16:09] <fta> pushed
[16:10] <fta> strange.. i prepared it weeks ago but never pushed it
[16:10] <fta> or it was rejected for some reason
[16:10] <fta> or lost
[16:13] <fta> asac, jdstrand: will _full_ updates of chromium be allowed even after release or what?
[16:14] <micahg> fta: they're both not here
[16:28] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: aint that against FF and release guidelines?
[16:29] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, ??
[16:29] <BUGabundo_remote> (2010-03-17 16:13:03) fta: asac, jdstrand: will _full_ updates of chromium be allowed even after release or what?
[16:29] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, my question is how to maintain ch after lucid is out
[16:30] <BUGabundo_remote> ah
[16:30] <fta> the only thing i can do is continue to push full updates in sync with the beta channel, then stable channel
[16:30] <fta> but noway i have the time/resources to identify and backport fixes
[16:31] <fta> if the later is required, then i have to give up
[16:31] <fta> +t
[16:40] <BUGabundo_remote> I understand fta
[16:40] <BUGabundo_remote> and get upstream to help on that task?
[16:41] <fta> they are busy too, they will just point users to their builds
[16:43] <BUGabundo_remote> but we are a distro
[16:43] <BUGabundo_remote> not users
[17:09] <ejat> fta .. just wondering .. when will it support pdf ?
[17:11] <fta> pdf plugin?
[17:11] <fta> when i click on a pdf, it works like ff, i.e. i get my preferred pdf viewer
[17:12] <jcastro> fta: it would make sense that we should do for chromium what we do for FF and follow the stable release channel - upstream isn't going to support old-stable stuff
[17:13] <ejat> fta: is it can be view like ff .. inside the browser
[17:13] <fta> jcastro, yep, that's the plan, but no stable for linux yet, hence the beta channel
[17:13] <jcastro> right, I mean eventually
[17:14] <fta> ejat, no idea, there's probably an upstream bug
[17:14] <jcastro> but if it goes stable after lucid is out we should probably update what's in the archive and just follow -stable at that point.
[17:14] <ejat> fta : http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=11551 :(
[17:20] <ejat>  .. /usr/lib/xulrunner-<IP_ADDRESS> <-- inside my adobe reader
[17:20] <ejat> for HTML rendering library .. is it correct?
[17:21] <BUGabundo_remote> ejat: why do ppl like _stuff_ inside their browsers?? I know I've always pulled everything I could OUT of them... I wish I could do the same with html5/flash videos
[17:22]  * ejat just asking ..
[17:22] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: so if lucid *LTS* is going with ch4/5 and with the hugelly fast release cycle ch has
[17:22] <BUGabundo_remote> how do you plan to support ch im lucid?
[17:22] <BUGabundo_remote> stop providing new versions, once ch4/5 hits EOL?
[17:23] <BUGabundo_remote> ejat: I'm also asking. I would like to understand that too
[17:25] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, nope, just follow beta (then stable), disregarding the version number
[17:25] <BUGabundo_remote> ahh
[17:26] <BUGabundo_remote> and you just don't do that with FF, cause Mozilla doesn't want us to?
[17:26] <fta> i thought asac wanted to do the same for ff
[17:27] <fta> google supports the latest LTS so it should work
[17:28] <fta> the question is what happens when two LTS overlaps
[17:28] <fta> -s
[17:40] <BUGabundo_remote> eheh
[17:40] <BUGabundo_remote> good luck with that
[17:40] <BUGabundo_remote> :p
[18:11] <mahfouz> two LTS overlapping is like a solar eclipse
[18:12] <micahg> mahfouz: why?  it gives people a year to migrate :)
[18:12] <mahfouz> rly?
[18:13] <mahfouz> didn't know that
[18:13] <mahfouz> I always upgrade to alpha :)
[18:13] <micahg> for desktops at least
[18:15] <micahg> on servers people can skip 1 LTS release and still have a year to upgrade
[18:16]  * micahg waits for beta to upgrade desktop and release for server
[18:17] <mahfouz> then it's more like a divorce where you are in separation for 1 year and only then re-marry
[18:18] <chrisccoulson> micahg - you're not running lucid yet?
[18:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: no, I'll upgrade over the weekend, why?
[18:19] <chrisccoulson> oh, i was just a bit surprised that you weren't just yet ;)
[18:19] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I wait for beta as this is my main machine
[18:19] <chrisccoulson> i suppose it's probably more difficult for me not to run lucid, with the other components i work on
[18:19] <micahg> and yes, I don't have to dogfood the desktop packages :)
[18:20] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's why i need to run lucid really
[18:20] <chrisccoulson> it would be very difficult for me if i didn't ;)
[18:20] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I've been running Firefox 3.6 though since beta 1 or 2 :)
[18:20] <chrisccoulson> i shall probably need to start running the early beta's too ;)
[18:24] <mahfouz> I might not have installed if I would have known about the network manager problems
[18:24] <mahfouz> wpa2 connections such
[18:24] <mahfouz> suck
[18:24] <mahfouz> there is a very nasty bug there
[20:27] <dimitri__> i have a thunderbird problem using imap mail someone help me please
[22:32] <BUGabundo> asac:
[22:32] <BUGabundo> (2010-03-17 22:26:25) _Groo_: i found out why some 3g modems arent showing up in network manager
[22:32] <BUGabundo> (2010-03-17 22:27:02) _Groo_: BUGabundo: its not actually a bug but a priority order
[22:32] <BUGabundo> (2010-03-17 22:27:30) _Groo_: BUGabundo: 3g isnt showing up because modemmanager is getting called AFTER networkmanager is already running
[22:32] <BUGabundo> (2010-03-17 22:29:26) _Groo_: BUGabundo: the problem is AFTER the 3g is up and running (like seen in dmesg, usb 2-3: GSM modem (1-port) converter now attached to ttyUSB0 gos up and all), nm-applet NEVER shows up the 3g
[22:32] <BUGabundo> (2010-03-17 22:30:02) _Groo_: BUGabundo: the cure is to stop nm, kill -9 modemmanager, get it um first and restart nm
[22:32] <BUGabundo> (2010-03-17 22:30:29) _Groo_: BUGabundo: this will make 3g show up in NM applet
[23:12] <gnomefreak> piority order is a bug sometimes
[23:13] <gnomefreak> priority even
[23:19] <BUGabundo> fta: ch snapping
[23:19] <BUGabundo> fta: like this page http://www.cyanogenmod.com/downloads/audio-resources
[23:32] <BUGabundo> fta: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=38467
[23:34] <BUGabundo> fta: http://blog.chromium.org/2010/03/native-client-and-web-portability.html  isn't our build already native on 64bits?
[23:50] <gnomefreak76> @whoami
[23:50] <gnomefreak76> :)


[03:47] <RAOF> Everyone should have at least 2 machines.  That way, when X dies with an EQ overflow, you can grab interesting data :)
[13:52] <Kano> when will libdrm 2.4.21 be in maverick? thats required for libva for intel
[13:52] <Kano> its in debian experimental already
[14:32] <jcristau> when somebody gets around to it, i guess
[14:32] <jcristau> i don't think libva is anyone's priority
[14:38] <Kano> the other requirement is kernel 2.6.35, that would be fine already
[17:53] <Dr_Jakob> Sarvatt: Hey
[17:54] <Dr_Jakob> Sarvatt: pushed a fix for http://pastebin.com/6LBMjuEV to mesa some hours ago.
[17:58] <Sarvatt> Dr_Jakob: updated mesa uploading now
[18:01] <Dr_Jakob> does it include 04453a32?
[18:06] <Sarvatt> includes everything on master at the moment
[18:06] <Sarvatt> up to 962da13ba30d66bd8b9a28ba5f06c66ceec1ce92
[18:08] <Dr_Jakob> ok thanks
[19:41] <Dr_Jakob> Sarvatt: ok so 2D should work with the new driver, there is a weird bug with dlopen that is stopping 3D now.
[19:46] <Sarvatt> haven't finished installing it yet but 2D was working last I tried - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/vmwgfx.txt
[19:48] <Dr_Jakob> hmm wierd maybe you didn't build with LLVM then..
[19:48] <Dr_Jakob> Or maybe that was before we started using llvm for software vertex shading.
[19:48] <Dr_Jakob> Oh well
[19:49] <Dr_Jakob> It should work, haven't tested the LLVM part other then building it and checking the symbols.


[12:45] <smartboyhw> Hi
[12:46] <smartboyhw> phillw, you here?
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Someone write testimoinials for me and +1s in the Ubuntu Forums membership part, I want to apply for Membership...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2038322
[14:52] <balloons> phillw, ping
[14:52] <smartboyhw> Yeah, balloons, you're here!
[14:54] <smartboyhw> balloons: I'm working on a draft for UEFI, Want to see?
[14:55] <balloons> smartboyhw, sure
[14:56] <smartboyhw> Wait, putting it in Skydrive.
[15:00] <smartboyhw> balloons: http://sdrv.ms/ROS6Cz
[15:02] <smartboyhw> balloons: Got that?
[15:06] <balloons> smartboyhw, yep
[15:07] <balloons> did you go through this yourself?
[15:07] <smartboyhw> No, I asked phillw to do so.
[15:11] <phillw> hi smartboyhw balloons,
[15:11]  * smartboyhw waves at phillw and balloons.
[15:11] <phillw> balloons: I did email you - was awaiting you to come reply.
[15:12] <balloons> phillw, hey
[15:12] <balloons> yes.. I think I sent one back
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Anyone read my e-mail to add two things to the agenda?
[15:12] <phillw> okies. I'm just back from shopping :)
[15:12] <balloons> I was pinging you on the dvd overwriting issue
[15:12] <balloons> remember that bug from last week?
[15:12] <smartboyhw> How's your vacation?
[15:12] <balloons> with wubi?
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Wubi?
[15:12] <smartboyhw> WHich one?
[15:13] <phillw> There has been some falling out with one of them. I await the dust to settle...
[15:13] <balloons> phillw, ahh ok. Well I did confirm wubi cannot write to a cd or dvd
[15:13] <phillw> we always fight like cat & dog, but this time it got a more serious :/
[15:13] <balloons> it doesn't contain code to do so
[15:14] <phillw> balloons: thanks, in that case I'm not sure what it happening - as Jason did replicate it.
[15:14] <balloons> phillw, did he?
[15:14] <balloons> smartboyhw, bug not reported
[15:15] <phillw> yes, he did while you were in IRC with him.
[15:16] <smartboyhw> I need to go. Bye!
[15:16] <balloons> phillw, right right
[15:17] <balloons> i can only assume user error
[15:17] <balloons> the problem he is describing is impossible according to the dev
[15:17] <balloons> which confirms my thoughts..
[15:18] <phillw> hmm, well. When the dust settles (hopefully in next couple of days) I will bring the matter back up with him.
[15:19] <phillw> balloons: okies, I'll go through that test case with Ho Wan.
[15:19] <balloons> phillw, yes
[15:19] <balloons> I continnue to be currious
[15:19] <balloons> heh
[15:20] <phillw> I don't have a copy of vista, so I cannot install it onto my other hard drive and try myself.
[15:20] <balloons> phillw, yes if you wouldn't mind helping him that would be good.. something in the proper format could be usefull to add
[15:20] <balloons> right, same
[15:21] <phillw> TBH I'm very suprised at Derrick still running Vista! It is releases what ME was ... best quietly forgotten :P
[15:21] <phillw> I spent months putting XP back on computers that came shipped with Vista ;)
[15:23] <phillw> I couldn't on my own laptop as there were no XP drivers for it :( It is now my sister's laptop with lubuntu on it & flies like the devil!
[15:25] <balloons> hehe
[15:25] <balloons> yes, seems more people are hearing about lubuntu
[15:26] <phillw> for any basic XP or Vista computer it is a good one to at least try. If they like their candy (and some do), then they can try one of the members of our family. Having a choice is brilliant :)
[15:30] <phillw> balloons: as you get chance, can you onto an email your thoughts of iso's being archived as you mentioned. I estimate that at 6 milestones / flavour / arch it is actually not an inconsiderable amount of work!
[15:31] <balloons> phillw, http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/xp3q5/stepmothers_emachines_t3120_revived_with_lubuntu/
[15:31] <balloons> phillw, well, do you archive the dailys or milestones right now for lubuntu images?
[15:32] <balloons> do you have the alpha 1 from this cycle?
[15:32] <balloons> from last cycle?
[15:34] <phillw> when I was actively testing, I did keep them on my local machine. But it was only at the close of 12.04 did I switch over to the new server. The previous hosting company unilaterally deleted all my archives of lubuntu - I was not pleased, but there was little I could do, it was in the fine print somewhere.
[15:35] <phillw> nice posting. I'm sure I saw something aboyt nVidia going to liase with lunix for drivers?
[15:37] <phillw> I'm guestimating about 250 - 300 GB of disk space per cycle if I archive 6 milestones across each flavour / arch.
[15:38] <phillw> maybe one of the admins from cd.image could tell me what is on each milestone as per the iso.tracker so I have a better idea?
[15:46] <balloons> phillw, yes I'm guessing we could get the numbers
[15:52] <phillw> balloons: I've just sent off a support ticket to find the cost of a 2TB usb drive to be added, as it is archiving and hopefully infrequently accessed a usbV2 drive should be fast enough for us.
[15:52] <phillw> YAY!!! GB have just got another Gold medal in Equestrian event :D
[15:53] <phillw> oops, sorry... I'm also wathich the Olympics :)
[15:53] <phillw> 1st Gold in 60 years at show-jumping :)
[15:57] <phillw> I can have 2 of them, to back up my exisiting 2TB internal drive. I don't think I need the 2nd one yet, I still have over 700 GB in the 'pool' that can be allocated as and where needed.
[16:35] <balloons> phillw, :-)
[16:35] <balloons> one more week to go
[16:37] <phillw> ??
[16:39] <balloons> phillw, the olympics
[16:39] <balloons> i was sidebarring with you
[16:39] <balloons> haha
[16:39] <balloons> on the iso thing, yea, it would be potentially a lot of bandwidth
[16:39] <balloons> for images, well, let's take a look
[16:40] <balloons> if we wanted to store say every flavor image(s) for every milestone  for the entire development cycle?
[16:42] <phillw> provided you suddenly did have 100 people grab the alpha 1 of kubuntu after the beta 1 of kubuntu, bandwidth is not a real issue, we have 10 Tb / month as an allowance. I've peaked at 1.5 Tb for the month after 12.04 Lubuntu was released. We're only a secondary server.
[16:42] <phillw> *you did not suddenly have*
[16:50] <balloons> ok, so something 8 Gig per milestone for ubuntu
[16:50] <balloons> that was a really fast guess
[16:51] <balloons> 50 G out to cover all the milestones then
[16:51] <balloons> that simply for ubuntu of course.. Then you have the other flavors, none of which have that many images
[16:51] <balloons> I think your 200 G estimate is about right
[17:13] <phillw> balloons: my maths is not that bad - honest :P
[17:14] <balloons> phillw, hah
[17:14] <phillw> I did have a look at the releases & iso sizes before doing my guestimate :)
[17:14] <balloons> I knew you had it figured out
[17:15] <phillw> balloons: It is important, that is why I asked for a 2nd opinion. Having a decimal point in the wrong place would have been somewhat embarressing!
[17:15] <balloons> ask nasa about that one
[17:15] <phillw> or the French, when a +1 was a -1 and crashed an Arien Rocket :P
[17:16] <phillw> but, on NASA, they got the rover safely down.... Fantastic news!


[00:00] <penguin42> but that's still /media not /run/media
[07:20] <alkisg> Does Trusty feel too laggy for anyone else?
[07:20] <alkisg> E.g. frequent 0.5-second freezes...
[07:21] <alkisg> Without top showing anything particular
[07:21] <elfy> not here - flying
[07:22] <elfy> but then trusty !=ubuntu :)
[07:23] <alkisg> Even bash completion is causing 1 second freezes here...
[08:07] <Beldar> alkisg, I would use htop
[08:18] <alkisg> Beldar: I sometimes see "wa" increasing, no processes using the CPU... same output in htop/top
[08:58] <shadows> alkisg: is your symptom still a problem?
[08:59] <alkisg> shadows: yes, it's been days now
[08:59] <alkisg> I just didn't have time to deeply troubleshoot it yet
[09:00] <shadows> alkisg: is there a configuration or OS install wherer that problem does *not* happen?
[09:01] <alkisg> In the same pc, in 12.04 it doesn't happen
[09:01] <alkisg> And possibly, not sure, in my trusty vm (inside trusty) it doesn't happen either...
[09:02] <shadows> my wild guess is that there are IRQ related issues
[09:02] <Beldar> alkisg, have you checked if your swapping?
[09:03] <shadows> swap is a good guess too :)
[09:03] <alkisg> Beldar: 4 gb ram, I'm not, I even disabled zram to check if it was that , but it wasn't
[09:04] <shadows> either filesystem or interrupts, that is my starting point
[09:04] <alkisg> shadows: I don't see anything in dmesg though...
[09:04] <shadows> which filesystem?
[09:05] <alkisg> I suspect the filesystem, I also just installed a new disk, but no dmesg messages about that either
[09:05] <alkisg> ext4
[09:05] <shadows> new disk?
[09:05] <alkisg> Yeah just a new sata disk, dd'ed the old disk to the new one
[09:05] <shadows> still have the old disk?
[09:06] <alkisg> Anyways I mostly wanted to know that it's my local installation and no others are experiencing this, I'll troubleshoot it more in a while
[09:06] <shadows> ok
[09:06] <alkisg> Thanks!
[12:39] <Waka_Flocka> is this the correct channel to talk about package versions in trusty
[12:39] <Waka_Flocka> ?
[12:47] <penguin42> well anything trusty
[12:52] <Waka_Flocka> penguin42: could the midori package possibly be updated to a later version?
[12:52] <Waka_Flocka> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/midori
[12:52] <Waka_Flocka> its on 0.4.3 right now but thats about a year plus old
[12:53] <penguin42> generally trusty will pull the latest version from debian at some point - what's the current debian version?
[12:53] <Waka_Flocka> i think the same
[12:54] <Waka_Flocka> wheezy has 0.4.3 too https://launchpad.net/debian/wheezy/+source/midori
[12:54] <penguin42> yeh as does sid
[12:55] <penguin42> Waka_Flocka: I think normally the answer is you need to ask Debian to update
[12:55] <penguin42> Waka_Flocka: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule  says that the Debian import freeze is Feb 6th, so if you can get debian to update well before then I think you've got a chance
[12:56] <Waka_Flocka> thanks will ask
[12:56] <alkisg> The midori site already has debian and ubuntu packages, ping them to have them uploaded to debian...
[18:56] <paulo_gomes> hi all, latest updates broke my X, says it doesn't detect my monitor
[18:56] <paulo_gomes> im on a laptop
[19:42] <dkessel> nice... new indicator updates today - let's see how this turns out. does anybody know if there will be more work on indicator bugs in this cycle?
[19:48] <vanishing> dkessel: it is broken
[19:51] <dkessel> vanishing, too late :D but thanks
[19:52] <vanishing> dkessel: lol...np..if you want it to work for now, just download the debs and dpkg them to downgrade
[19:52] <vanishing> i can send you the pack you want
[19:52] <dkessel> vanishing, well they are still there on my system...
[19:52] <vanishing> oh
[19:52] <dkessel> there was a package installation error while upgrading, but nothing bad happened
[19:53] <vanishing> there is? :O
[19:56] <penguin42> dkessel: No, just nothing bad you've hit yet
[19:57] <dkessel> penguin42, yeah, probably :)


[15:54] <Darkwing> jbicha: ping
[16:12] <jbicha> Darkwing: aloha
[16:12] <Darkwing> jbicha: RE the 12.04.1 release... am I the David named in that email? :P
[16:13] <jbicha> Darkwing: no, sorry, that's dpm
[16:13] <Darkwing> jbicha: But we should talk about the 12.04.1 doc schedule...
[16:14] <jbicha> I forgot there were two David's, he is in the To: line though
[16:14] <Darkwing> so that translators have a bit more time.
[16:14] <Darkwing> hehehe
[16:14] <Darkwing> it's cool
[16:14] <jbicha> yeah, feel free to chime in, I thought dpm would be the one to propose the schedule since he's handled that in previous cycles
[16:15] <Darkwing> You guys have a finished package for english only or, are you including any translations?
[16:16] <Darkwing> I just packaged up english for the point release. 12.04.1 will hold translations.
[16:18] <jbicha> ubuntu-docs includes the translations, which get stripped out and added to the language packs
[16:18] <Darkwing> ahhhh.
[16:18] <jbicha> it should do the same for kubuntu-docs though, shouldn't it?
[16:19] <Darkwing> In a sense... except nothing on our wnd got translated...
[16:19] <jbicha> I thought it was automatic for -main packages, and opt-in for -universe packages
[18:27] <jbicha> mdke: how do you build the installation-guide html?


[00:00] <bryceh> RAOF, offhand I'm thinking stick with debian even though it'd cause a mass rebuild
[00:01] <RAOF> That was my thinking.
[00:01] <bryceh> just on the thought that doing that pre-FF is probably going to be easier than having to do it post-FF
[00:01] <RAOF> Yup!
[00:01] <cnd> RAOF, bryceh: is the input-abi like that too?
[00:02] <RAOF> cnd: Yes.
[00:02] <bryceh> plus we gotta test the script we did last time ;-)
[00:02] <Prf_Jakob> Oh X people here, how do I disable the unhelp full restart X server after the GPU has crash feature in Ubuntu?
[00:02] <cnd> that could be annoying if we need to change the xi 2.1 abi
[00:02] <bryceh> Prf_Jakob, huh?
[00:03] <Prf_Jakob> bryceh: The thing that tries to start the X server a couple of times and then tries to bring up some sort of helperscreen but fails and makes it imposible for me to access the consol terminal
[00:04] <bryceh> "The thing" == "gdm"
[00:04] <Prf_Jakob> I would guess so yes.
[00:04] <bryceh> "helperscreen" == "failsafex" which is in /etc/gdm
[00:04] <Prf_Jakob> cool thanks!
[00:05] <Prf_Jakob> btw any of you guys in London?
[00:10] <RAOF> None who are awake now, I think :)
[00:10] <Prf_Jakob> heh :)
[00:51] <cnd> RAOF, bryceh: what do you do when debian git has a new version of package, but it's unreleased
[00:52] <cnd> do you rebase onto the last released package commit?
[00:52] <RAOF> cnd: This depends.  Do we care about those changes?  If so, merge from the unreleased package, and say so.  If not, merge in the last release tag.
[00:52] <cnd> well, it's just a lintian standards bump :)
[00:52] <cnd> so I think that's a no :)
[00:54] <RAOF> Then merge from whatever the tag is; Debian's ususally pretty good at tagging the uploads.
[00:54] <cnd> yeah
[01:02] <bjsnider> is it true that the x-server 1.10 abi didn't stabilize until after rc2?
[01:08] <RAOF> After RC1, yes.
[01:08] <RAOF> I don't believe there have been any ABI breaks post-rc2
[01:09] <bjsnider> well, i find that very difficult to understand
[01:10] <bjsnider> shouldn't a release candidate be considered stable?
[01:10] <bjsnider> just maybe with the odd bug here and there, kind of thing?
[01:12] <cnd> bjsnider, x.org bends the definition of rc really
[01:12] <cnd> instead of having alpha, beta, rc, release
[01:12] <cnd> they just have a series of rc's and then a release
[01:13] <cnd> to x.org, rc seems to be just an arbitrary abbreviation
[01:13] <bryceh> unfortunately
[01:13] <bjsnider> well, let me register this for the record: i think that stinks.
[01:26] <cnd> bjsnider, I had thought the abi freeze was at the merge window closure
[01:26] <cnd> but apparently that wasn't the case
[01:26] <cnd> I think the window needs to be slammed harder next time :)
[01:27] <cnd> the release manager needs to be like torvalds :)
[01:27] <bjsnider> i suppose
[01:37] <cnd> almost done...
[01:41] <cnd> RAOF, I've got stuff ready
[01:42] <cnd> do you want me to push to git.debian.org?
[01:42] <RAOF> Yes please.
[01:42] <RAOF> Oh, actually!
[01:42] <cnd> I'm still here :)
[01:42] <RAOF> Now.
[01:42] <RAOF> Just pushing up a local commit.
[01:42] <cnd> commit to what?
[01:43] <RAOF> xorg-server
[01:43] <cnd> ok, let me know when you're done
[01:43] <RAOF> It's done.
[01:43] <cnd> ok
[01:43] <RAOF> I guess the other option would have been to pull --rebase it.  Eh.
[01:43] <cnd> well, that's what I'll be doing :)
[01:43] <cnd> one of us had to do it
[01:46] <cnd> ok, I'm going to push now
[01:46] <cnd> oh wait, I should test rebuild the server just to be sure...
[01:46] <cnd> since you added a patch
[01:46] <cnd> it'll only take 15 mins
[01:48] <RAOF> K.
[01:50] <cnd> RAOF, do you have any mt devices?
[01:50] <RAOF> No.
[01:50] <cnd> I was hoping I could get one more tester before the push :)
[01:50] <RAOF> unless a synaptics touchpad counts :)
[01:51] <cnd> but please, smoke test it to ensure pointing continues to work well
[01:51] <cnd> I only publicly made the packages available today
[01:51] <cnd> and I think only myself and henrik tested them :(
[01:52] <cnd> and he found a bug that I spend half of today fixing
[01:52] <cnd> but it wasn't a crasher
[01:54] <cnd> anyways, build looks good
[01:54] <cnd> I'm going to push stuff to git now
[01:54] <RAOF> K.
[01:56] <cnd> RAOF, it's alright if I overwrite an old stale ubuntu branch
[01:56] <cnd> like in x11proto-input
[01:56] <cnd> ?
[01:56] <RAOF> Yup.
[01:56] <cnd> ok
[01:57] <cnd> no need to rename it to something else?
[01:57] <cnd> I guess it still has a git tag
[01:57] <cnd> or should have a git tag
[01:57] <bryceh> cnd, some of those stale branches got abandoned once the package reached a state where we could sync it
[01:57] <cnd> yeah
[01:58] <cnd> RAOF, git is updated
[01:59] <RAOF> Awww, coordinations to windows is gone :)
[01:59] <cnd> xorg-server, x11proto-input, xserver-xorg-input-evdev, xserver-xorg-synaptics, and libxi
[01:59] <cnd> :)
[01:59] <cnd> I think you'll find a way to live without
[02:01] <cnd> RAOF, stuff is officially handed off to you :)
[02:01] <cnd> I am going to go have a life for the rest of the night :)
[02:08] <bryceh> yay, wayland good to go
[02:09] <bryceh> even works on radeon :-)
[02:29] <RAOF> Yay natty-tmpfs-local schroot.
[03:23] <bryceh> \p/ wayland now uploaded to natty universe
[03:27] <RAOF> Sweet!
[03:34] <bryceh> subject: [ubuntu/natty] wayland 0.1~git20101129.ac93a3d3-0ubuntu1 (New)
[03:36] <bryceh> it's the snapshot from last Nov, which I'd done enough testing on before.  Looks like I need to rejigger the packaging a bit in order to update to a newer snapshot.
[03:36] <bryceh> something to keep me busy tomorrow ;-)
[03:36] <bryceh> bbl
[03:51] <RAOF> :)
[04:02] <RAOF> Aha!  *That's* why the udeb build fails (sometimes‽)
[06:02] <RAOF> Woot.  rebuild-all-drivers fixed to add appropriate build-depends.
[06:33] <tjaalton> cnd: ok, should be easy to fix
[07:23] <bryceh> RAOF, nice!
[09:56] <RAOF> Oh, wow.  virtualbox pulls in >800MB worth of build depends.
[09:56] <tjaalton> :)
[09:57] <tjaalton> RAOF: hey, you identified the n-trig wacom crasher?
[09:57] <RAOF> Yeah.
[09:57] <tjaalton> where was it?
[09:57] <RAOF> tjaalton: Want to upload the new wacom?
[09:57] <tjaalton> sure
[09:57] <tjaalton> it should fix it?
[09:57] <RAOF> Yeah.
[09:57] <tjaalton> cool
[09:58] <tjaalton> I've had a personal git repo for it, but haven't been keeping it up
[09:59] <RAOF> (Although I haven't tested, so I can't be 100% sure that) the problem was that the device probe failure path was freeing the device private data, then UnInit was being called, dereferencing the private pointer…
[09:59] <RAOF> cooperteam.net/Packages has the new wacom, which doesn't free in the cleanup path :)
[10:00] <tjaalton> I'll test it with my intuos4 that it doesn't break anything :)
[10:00] <tjaalton> though i doubt it would
[10:07] <tjaalton> works, ship it
[10:07] <tjaalton> uploaded
[10:12] <tjaalton> tormod: re savage merge; just put the source package somewhere and I'll sponsor it
[10:13] <tjaalton> debdiffs are so passé :)
[10:15] <tormod> tjaalton, thanks. just that I think it needs RAOF's new xserver because the packaging uses dh_xsf_substvars
[10:15] <RAOF> Isn't that from a Dandy Warhols song? :)
[10:15] <tjaalton> tormod: ah, ok then
[10:16] <tormod> tjaalton, that's why it's only a debdiff, wouldn't build on my system :)
[10:16] <tjaalton> RAOF: debdiffs, heroin, what's the difference :)
[10:17] <RAOF> tormod: You can check it builds if you like; xserver is in git.
[10:17] <tjaalton> so it needs xorg merge?
[10:17] <tjaalton> +d
[10:18] <RAOF> The xserver merge includes dh_xsf_substvars
[10:18] <tormod> tjaalton, I think it needs xorg-server-dev 2:<IP_ADDRESS>2-2ubuntu1
[10:18] <RAOF> Right.
[10:18] <tjaalton> oh thaat
[10:18] <tjaalton> -a
[10:18] <tjaalton> damn kbd
[10:22]  * RAOF is just checking that the world successfully rebuilds against 2:<IP_ADDRESS>2-2ubuntu1, although there's no reason to expect anything would fail.
[10:25] <RAOF> Whoops.  Don't try building virtualbox on a tmpfs.
[10:29] <tjaalton> heh
[11:24] <RAOF> bryceh: So, current xserver status, before I go to bed.  I'm rebuilding the world locally, to check that it works.  This has identified an essentially cosmetic transition problem with the abi substvars which I'll fix when I get up tomorrow.  Apart from that, all's good.
[11:25] <RAOF> And now, to sleep!
[17:25] <tjaalton> duh, didn't check the patch still applies to the new x11-apps
[17:27] <Sarvatt> yeah all of those patches need refreshing, most shouldn't be needed anymore even
[17:27] <Sarvatt> turned out a lot of the apps ones were because of some debian specific .pc changes that got reverted
[17:27] <tjaalton> ah, ok
[17:27] <tjaalton> so if it builds in pbuilder it should be good?
[17:29] <Sarvatt> should be, lessee..
[17:29]  * Sarvatt always gets confused which apps are in which of the -apps packages
[17:31] <tjaalton> could've tried it myself, but whatever :)
[17:32] <Sarvatt> 5K/second from ftp.debian.org :D
[17:34] <Sarvatt> lets see, oclock fails still
[17:34] <Sarvatt> /usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: oclock.o: undefined reference to symbol 'XtAddEventHandler'
[17:34] <Sarvatt> /usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: note: 'XtAddEventHandler' is defined in DSO /usr/lib/libXt.so.6 so try adding it to the linker command line
[17:34] <Sarvatt> /usr/lib/libXt.so.6: could not read symbols: Invalid operation
[17:38] <Sarvatt> not done yet but looks like the oclock hunk is the only one needed still
[17:42] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/100-fix-linking-with-no-add-needed.patch is all thats needed for x11-apps 7.6+4
[17:43] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: cool, can you push it? I'll upload it then (unless you were core-dev too?)
[17:43] <Sarvatt> okie one sec
[18:31] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: thanks, uploaded with the new patch
[18:59] <ricotz> bryceh, hi, did you want to upload wayload to natty?
[19:00] <ricotz> ... wayland
[19:03] <bryceh> ricotz, yes
[19:03] <ricotz> bryceh, nice, but why didnt you use the latest git?
[19:04] <bryceh> ricotz, I plan to, but had this snapshot ready to go right now
[19:05] <ricotz> bryceh, ok, i see
[19:05] <bryceh> also, dunno yet if newer wayland has changed dependency requirements or needs packaging rejiggered
[19:05] <ricotz> yes the demos are splitted into a separate tree
[19:05] <bryceh> ricotz, interested in helping work on it?
[19:06] <ricotz> perhaps, if i find a moment ;)
[19:07] <ricotz> i am able to upload to the wayland ppa
[19:07] <Sarvatt> ubuntu too no? no way thats going in main I'm sure
[19:07] <bryceh> yeah worst case if newer wayland requires git mesa or some such, I'll refresh the ppa
[19:07] <bryceh> Sarvatt, universe
[19:08] <ricotz> bryceh, i think it would be better to put it in edgers where mesa git is up2date ;)
[19:08] <bryceh> true
[19:08] <Sarvatt> speaking of which, need to redo mesa packaging in there *yet again* :(
[19:09] <ricotz> Sarvatt, dont forget to keep the nouveau nvc0 patch ;)
[19:09] <Sarvatt> ricotz: oh crap, I might have overwritten that already
[19:09] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i was desperately searching for the problem until i noticed it
[19:09] <Sarvatt> i'm about to drop lucid/maverick in there, updating all drivers with the new dropped xsfbs stuff isn't gonna happen
[19:10] <ricotz> i updated it on the we to fix it
[19:10] <Sarvatt> ricotz: did I screw it up already? it's an automated script so I probably did, lets see
[19:10] <Sarvatt> oh cool
[19:10] <Sarvatt> adding the patch in a hook so i wont drop it again
[19:10] <ricotz> good :)
[19:19] <cnd> RAOF, found two bugs in the xi 2.1 work
[19:19] <cnd> I'm testing fixes right now
[19:20] <cnd> would you be able to wait for them before pushing to ubuntu?
[19:20] <ricotz> bryceh, could you upload a package to the natty new queue for me?
[19:23] <ricotz> tjaalton, ^ do you mind?
[19:26] <bryceh> cnd, I think he's asleep.  But I can wait for you.
[19:26] <bryceh> ricotz, if you have the packaging all ready to go, sure
[19:26] <cnd> bryceh, ahh, ok, whoever is pushing
[19:26] <cnd> I've got the patch ready
[19:26] <cnd> just slogging through pushing it out
[19:26] <ricotz> bryceh, thank you, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/libbluray/
[19:27] <ricotz> bryceh, i will ping an archive-admin to look at it if it is up
[19:31] <bryceh> ricotz, ok looks good.
[19:31] <bryceh> ricotz, uploaded
[19:31] <ricotz> bryceh, thanks!
[19:32] <bryceh> dunno if there are any special new package requirements for java stuff, but presumably if there are the archive admins will know
[19:33] <cnd> bryceh, I've pushed a new commit to git
[19:33] <cnd> we should be ready for upload now
[19:34] <bryceh> cnd, hey I only signed up for waiting!
[19:34] <bryceh> ;-)
[19:34] <cnd> oh :)
[19:34] <cnd> heh
[19:34] <cnd> I got ya
[19:34] <bryceh> cnd, fill me in... what packages/git repos should I pull?
[19:34] <cnd> you don't have to push if RAOF was going to :)
[19:35] <cnd> but in case you are interested, xorg-server, x11proto-input, xserver-xorg-input-evdev, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, libxi
[19:35] <bryceh> if you can wait 3 hours he should be on then, but I can push if it's an emergency
[19:35] <cnd> nah, no need for you to push
[19:36] <bryceh> ok cool, yeah if RAOF has been your primary xorgician probably best if he tends to it
[19:37] <cnd> he's also been getting rc2 ready for upload
[19:37] <cnd> so I think he'd rather do it
[19:37] <cnd> when you chimed in, I thought you and he had decided that you would be pushing it instead
[19:38] <cnd> that's what you get for being sly over irc :)
[19:46] <bryceh> [ubuntu/natty] libbluray 0.2~git20110213.20739ed-0ubuntu1 (New)
[19:46] <bryceh> heh, yeah I knew I was taking a risk given how many days you've operated without a weekend reboot ;-)
[19:53] <jcristau> Sarvatt: is that oclock patch upstream? (too lazy to check..)
[19:56] <Sarvatt> jcristau: doesn't look like it, it might be caused by our libXt .pc though still, lets see.. i did try to push all of those app toolchain changes a few months ago
[19:56] <Sarvatt> oh we aren't patching the .pc in libxt, hmm
[19:57] <jcristau> we might be removing xt from Requires somewhere
[19:58] <Sarvatt> yeah pretty darn sure I double checked them all and none were appropriate upstream back then..
[20:12] <trinikrono> tormod: ping i would like to ask you about that drawpix utility you mentioned in bug 579071
[20:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 579071 in mesa (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "savage_drv fails drawpix glDrawPixels demo/test/benchmark (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/579071
[20:28] <tormod> trinikrono, hi, you've this bug too?
[20:29] <trinikrono> tormod: you asked in bug 705464 to look this bug
[20:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 705464 in xserver-xorg-video-savage (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 10.04 doesn't set hardware acceleration on ProSavageDDR video card (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705464
[20:29] <trinikrono> and i am wondering how to run drawpix
[20:31] <tormod> trinikrono, ok I see. drawpix should be in mesa-demos
[20:31] <trinikrono> tormod: is that a package to install?
[20:32] <tormod> trinikrono, hmm it does not exist in maverick
[20:32] <trinikrono> tormod: i use lucid
[20:39] <tormod> trinikrono, I put a drawpix binary here: http://alioth.debian.org/~tormod-guest/libdrm/
[20:39] <tormod> trinikrono, and it requires this picture file: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/app/mesa-demos.git;a=blob_plain;f=src/images/girl.rgb;hb=HEAD
[20:40] <trinikrono> it says error loading libglut.so.3
[20:40] <tormod> trinikrono, you need to install the freeglut3 package
[20:40] <tormod> trinikrono, but you should also see the bug simply by running /usr/lib/xscreensaver/antspotlight
[20:40] <trinikrono> :D i get the black screen also
[20:40] <trinikrono> tormod: and the ant looks really strange
[20:41] <tormod> trinikrono, the ant looks strange, that's another separate bug. but do you get small dots/patches all over the screen
[20:57] <tormod> trinikrono, I will try to make a lucid package for my PPA
[20:58] <trinikrono> tormod: can i speak to you also about bug 705464
[20:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 705464 in xserver-xorg-video-savage (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 10.04 doesn't set hardware acceleration on ProSavageDDR video card (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705464
[20:58] <tormod> trinikrono, sure
[20:58] <trinikrono> you saw my latest comment, is it a bug really?
[20:58] <tormod> trinikrono, I consider it a bug in Ubuntu if you have to fiddle with xorg.conf to get things up and running
[20:59] <tormod> trinikrono, do you know what in your xorg.conf makes DRI work?
[21:03] <trinikrono> tormod: in the Module section it has : dri, dbe, dri2, glx and record
[21:03] <tormod> trinikrono, I have uploaded the lucid savage package to my PPA, but it will take some time before it is built
[21:03] <tormod> trinikrono, and if you remove the Module section, there is no DRI?
[21:04] <trinikrono> tormod: i can try that for you
[21:08] <trinikrono> tormod: going to restart x wish me luck
[21:19] <trinikrono> tormod: you know if i delete the xorg.conf it works fine
[21:20] <tormod> trinikrono, so you never needed any xorg.conf?
[21:20] <trinikrono> tormod: thats the thing i did
[21:21] <trinikrono> thats why i created a xorg.conf in the first place
[21:21] <trinikrono> but when i delete it now it is fine
[21:24] <trinikrono> tormod: the only way i can be sure is too reinstall lucid and see if it needs a xorg.conf to work properly, do you agree with this?
[22:06] <tormod> trinikrono, I do not think reinstall is necessary
[22:06] <cnd> RAOF, ping me when you get on
[22:06] <RAOF> cnd: Pong.
[22:06] <RAOF> (But in a desktop team meeting, so low bandwidth)
[22:06] <tormod> trinikrono, maybe your xorg.conf was needed in an earlier version, but no longer in lucid
[22:07] <cnd> RAOF, just wanted to say I've got one more small patch
[22:07] <cnd> I'm testing right now
[22:07] <trinikrono> tormod: well maybe we can close that bug because it does seem to reproducible and the reporter is happy
[22:07] <cnd> so if you haven't pushed, it would be good to get this in
[22:07] <tormod> trinikrono, maybe you can attach your Xorg.0.log to the drawpix bug report, and test the driver from my PPA, it is built now.
[22:08] <RAOF> tormod: Do you want to push our mesa savage patches upstream?  I've been meaning to do it but there always seems to be something better to do :)
[22:09] <tormod> trinikrono, I'll wait a bit longer for feedback from David before closing that report
[22:09] <cnd> seb128, do you know who I should talk to about pushing a patch to enable multitouch in qt?
[22:09] <cnd> I'm readying it now, and I want to push before feature freeze
[22:09] <tormod> RAOF, which patches? weren't they cherry-picked from upstream?
[22:10] <seb128> cnd, Riddell
[22:10] <RAOF> I'm pretty sure the patches adding ARGB visuals aren't upstream.
[22:10] <cnd> seb128, thanks!
[22:10] <seb128> you're welcome
[22:11] <tormod> RAOF, oh I see, 03_savage-expose_fbmodes_with_nonzero_alpha.patch
[22:11] <RAOF> Yeah.
[22:12] <tormod> RAOF, I know nothing about it, where it came from or what it really does
[22:13] <tormod> RAOF, it is from "knarf". maybe you can ask him
[22:14] <tormod> for reference it was bug 467474
[22:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 467474 in netbook-launcher (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "netbook-launcher crashed with SIGSEGV in glGetString() (affects: 13) (dups: 3) (heat: 9)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/467474
[22:19] <trinikrono> tormod: installed from ppa, result is the same and attaching xorg to bug report
[22:19] <tormod> trinikrono, thanks! disappointing the ppa package didn't help though
[22:22] <tormod> RAOF, are you uploading the xserver soon? just wondering if there will be window between new xserver and FF for driver sync/merges without having to add ugly build-depends
[22:22] <RAOF> tormod: I take it you've *got* a savage card?    It should be ready before lunchtime.
[22:23] <RAOF> I've just got a niggle to fix, and then some more testing.
[22:24] <tormod> RAOF, why would I need build-depends for a merge? if the Debian packaging requires e.g. 1.9.4
[22:25] <RAOF> Because the packaging requires dh_xsf_substvars, which only appeared in <IP_ADDRESS>2-2ubuntu1?
[22:26] <RAOF> I mean, you *could* just rely on that particular version being available, but it's not a bad idea to actually have correct build-depends :)
[22:26] <bryceh> apw, do you have plans for bug #702090?  We've been accumulating dupes at a pretty good rate.
[22:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702090 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Natty) (and 4 other projects) "i965gm GPU lockup if vesafb is left loaded (EIR: 0x00000010 PGTBL_ER: 0x00000100) - *ERROR* EIR stuck: 0x00000010, masking (affects: 45) (dups: 34) (heat: 353)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702090
[22:27] <tormod> RAOF, hmm strictly speaking yes
[22:28] <tormod> but for a sync we rely on such things all the time right
[22:28] <RAOF> Right.
[22:29] <RAOF> If that were the only diff, I wouldn't keep it for a sync.  If there was any other diff, I'd keep it.
[22:30] <tormod> anyway have a nice lunch while I sleep :)
[22:30] <RAOF> Sleep well :)
[22:53] <cnd> RAOF, ok, I'm done now
[22:53] <cnd> pmcgowan was pinging me saying things weren't working with his trackpad :)
[22:53] <RAOF> cnd: Oh, there's another patch?  git pull --rebase it is :)
[22:54] <cnd> and I realized that I hadn't fully tested trackpads
[22:54] <cnd> but they should work well now too
[22:54] <cnd> sorry for the run around...
[22:54] <cnd> RAOF, you wouldn't happen to have one of the newer synaptics trackpads would you?
[22:54] <cnd> with "semi-multitouch" capabilities?
[22:55] <RAOF> How could I tell?  I have exactly two synaptics touchpads.
[22:55] <cnd> if you do, then you can play too
[22:55] <cnd> let me see
[22:55] <cnd> can you run evtest on their device nodes?
[22:55] <cnd> I find device nodes by searching for synaptics in Xorg.0.log
[22:55] <cnd> /dev/input/event*
[22:56] <cnd> at the beginning, it'll spit out a bunch of properties
[22:56] <cnd> if you get ABS event codes >= 53, then you've got a multitouch device
[22:57] <cnd> though it's probably only semi-multitouch
[22:57] <RAOF> I'm guessing my 3yr old touchpad won't be semi-multitouch, so I'll only test the newer one.
[22:58] <RAOF> Nope, only 28 - tool width.
[22:58] <cnd> darn
[22:59] <cnd> sorry :(
[23:20] <JanC> what does semi-multitouch mean?
[23:24] <RAOF> cnd: The Xi 2.1 patches bump minor input ABI, don't they
[23:24] <RAOF> ?
[23:26] <RAOF> cnd: Ah, yes.  There it is.
[23:40] <cnd> RAOF, is that ok?
[23:40] <RAOF> Yeah, that's fine.
[23:41] <cnd> btw, there technically is an abi change
[23:41] <RAOF> I was just checking whether to bump serverminver.
[23:41] <cnd> though it's buried in the server
[23:41] <cnd> and I don't think any input drivers access it
[23:41] <cnd> I'd be surprised if they did
[23:41] <RAOF> Heh.
[23:41] <RAOF> Well, we'll be rebuilding the world for unrelated reasons, so that won't matter :)
[23:41] <cnd> :)
[23:50] <RAOF> Incidentally, the Xi patch introduces a compile warning.
[23:50] <RAOF> In fact, a whole bunch of compile warnings :)
[23:50] <RAOF> I presume you're on them, though.
[23:51] <cnd> RAOF, hmm, I haven't seen any
[23:51] <cnd> can you pastebin them/
[23:51] <cnd> ?
[23:52] <yofel> btw, is it known that plymouth is unusable in natty with nouveau currently? I only get pixel garbage displayed and a message about conflicting vesafb and nouveaufb in dmesg
[23:52] <yofel> note: X starts fine, I just can't see any messages in plymouth thanks to that
[23:53] <RAOF> cnd: Will do.
[23:53] <yofel> works fine if I use gfxpayload=text and remove the vt.handoff=7