 why is calamares so far behind the latest releases?
 I haven't updated the packaging. Unfortunately I have not done much Ubuntu/Lubuntu stuff lately. The real life stuff seems to keep getting in the way. That being said you really need to watch upstream like a hawk. Many of those releases happened in a short amount of time. The Arch folks find the bugs and a new release comes a few days after. (re @RikMills: why is calamares so far behind the latest releases?)


[02:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Optimised Real-time Ubuntu is now generally available on Intel SoCs @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/optimised-real-time-ubuntu-is-now-generally-available-on-intel-socs
[07:32] <guiverc> I'll massage https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2023-July/000293.html for posting (fridge)
[07:32] <guiverc> kinetic EOL
[08:13] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/?p=9929&preview=true
[11:09] <guiverc> i looked (review purpose) at ^ ... wording is future-tense as first paragraph was amended from the six-week-warning of EOL, thus I've changed wording to match EOL reached on 20 july 2023.
[11:10]  * guiverc will think about it some.. & return later
[11:42] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/07/27/ubuntu-22-10-kinetic-kudu-end-of-life-reached-on-july-20-2023/
[11:42] <guiverc> (i backed out my language changes; those would need another to review prior to publish... thus opted to just quote)
[11:43] <guiverc> I won't post to twitter etc as feels 'old news' now... will post elsewhere if requested.
[12:32] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::fridge:: Ubuntu 22.10 (Kinetic Kudu) End of Life reached on July 20, 2023 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/07/27/ubuntu-22-10-kinetic-kudu-end-of-life-reached-on-july-20-2023/
[16:05] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Zorin OS 16.3 Released with Upgrade Tool, LibreOffice 7.5 @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/07/zorin-os-16-3-released
[20:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::portugal:: E257 O Diogo Errou @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/e257/


[00:01] <trakinas> well, gotta go. cheers all.
[06:52] <danny> hello whats a good media player better then audacios for lubuntu
[06:54] <Unit193> Media player? One of the GUIs for mplayer, or maybe even VLC.
[06:54] <danny> well im looking for something like rythmbox
[06:55] <Unit193> So not a music player...
[06:56] <danny> um well i tried getting rythmbox but it forcecloses everytime i push play
[06:56] <danny> and then banshee jsut wont work at all
[06:56] <danny> and i audacios is just way to barebones for me
[06:56] <Unit193> Wasn't there 'aqualung' or something like that?
[06:57] <danny> not sure ill check it out though
[06:57] <Unit193> !players
[06:58] <Unit193> And there's always moc...
[09:38] <iceroot> FYI: we have a patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/846878
[09:41] <smile> hi all :)
[09:41] <smile> questions? :)
[09:41] <smile> ^^
[10:06] <iceroot> phillw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/846878/comments/47 maybe you can support me by some testing/qa?
[10:07] <iceroot> because i am out of time today
[10:08] <valdur55> iceroot, go to #ubuntu-motu channel.
[10:08] <valdur55> iceroot, you can use launchpad build machines ... you don't need build items on your own machine.
[10:09] <iceroot> valdur55: do you have some keywords top search for?
[10:09] <iceroot> s/top/to
[10:10] <valdur55> Packaging quide ...
[10:10] <iceroot> valdur55: thank you
[10:10] <valdur55> iceroot, wait.. i will give a link
[10:11] <valdur55> iceroot, http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/
[10:11] <iceroot> yes!!!! its fixed, "my" packages are working without empty spaces
[10:12] <iceroot> valdur55: thank you, i will read that and use the buildsystem the next time
[14:31] <Akls> only mine lxpanel crashes when closing firefox?
[14:31] <Akls> well, it restarts. so not a real trouble, but why?
[17:12] <hmuller> Hi, I cannot get chromium to use the java plugin, have done a bit of research, testing with no luck. Can anyone assist?
[17:39] <DottorLeo> hi!
[17:39] <DottorLeo> need a hand for file manager
[17:40] <DottorLeo> is it possible to put the search function on the gui of PcMan?
[18:00] <hosoka> hello all
[18:01] <hosoka> who has skype on their pc currently ?
[18:02] <hosoka> I am using 11.04 and cannot use my pulseaudio by default as a mic
[18:02] <hosoka> how to enable the mic ?
[18:22] <smile4ever> hi :)
[18:52] <CXIV> What is default email cilent for lubuntu?
[18:53] <smile4ever> CXIV: I thought Thunderbird? :p
[18:53] <smile4ever> not included by default? :p
[18:53] <CXIV> Its something on S.
[18:53] <CXIV> I don't remember , but I need to know :D
[18:54] <CXIV> Its Sylpheed
[18:55] <smile4ever> CXIV: oh okay :D
[18:55] <smile4ever> :)
[19:00] <thor_> Will there come a trash on desktop in lubuntu 12.04 ??
[19:00] <CXIV> lol
[19:00] <thor_> CXIV: huh
[19:01] <CXIV> Last time I used trash was an Amiga Workbench system :D
[19:02] <thor_> CXIV:  wow that's a long time
[19:03] <toscho> hello to all
[19:03] <CXIV> Ai toscho
[19:03] <thor_> hello to you to
[19:03] <toscho> gwaterfall crashes my lubuntu
[19:03] <CXIV> thor I guess you can check on youtube.
[19:04] <thor_> CXIV:  year
[19:06] <toscho> can anyone help me with gwaterfall?
[19:29] <Louey> where can i get more mouse icon themes?
[19:54]  * benoliver999 is gone: To the shops!
[22:05] <blud> when I turn on my computer it just says "Checking for unattended updates" (or upgrades I forget) and then is stuck on that forever. I can't boot into X
[22:55] <Silverlion> Myrtti <blud> when I turn on my computer it just says "Checking for unattended updates" (or upgrades I forget) and then is stuck on that forever. I can't boot into X
[23:00] <Unit193> blud2: You try Recovery Mode?
[23:00] <blud2> i am trying that now, i chose recovery mode and now i'm at the shell prompt
[23:01] <blud2> but i dont really know what to do to fix the issue
[23:01] <Unit193> /var/log/ could help some.
[23:06] <blud2> which file in there should i look at?\
[23:07] <Unit193> Should be boot, kern, but I don't think syslog would help as much.
[23:08] <Unit193> For a while, I would remount rw, cycle networking, and it'd boot fine for me, but that's different.
[23:19] <gossip17> ikonia are you here?
[23:19] <gossip17> how about you iceroot
[23:19] <Myrtti> why are you randomly pinging people?
[23:19] <gossip17> who are you
[23:20] <gossip17> you like gossips?
[23:20] <gossip17> you like spreading gossips
[23:20] <gossip17> ?
[23:21] <gossip17> and there, calling ikonia once
[23:21] <gossip17> calling ikonia twice
[23:21] <gossip17> sold!
[23:22] <gossip17> who is above 40 here?
[23:22] <gossip17> 40 years old calling one
[23:22] <gossip17> calling twice
[23:22] <Myrtti> do you have an actual Lubuntu related question?
[23:23] <gossip17> yeah
[23:23] <gossip17> I do
[23:23] <Silverlion> which one?
[23:23] <gossip17> however
[23:23] <gossip17> I'm scared to ask
[23:23] <Silverlion> dont be ^^
[23:23] <gossip17> myrtti banned me before
[23:24] <Silverlion> ok, but no-one gets banned here without a reason
[23:26] <gossip17> judgement fails
[23:27] <Silverlion> depends. but this is the past. i believe we could help out with your lubuntu-question ;) ? so just fire away
[23:29] <gossip17> how come I never see you before?
[23:29] <Silverlion> gossip17 i am a person pulling strings from behind the scenes ;)
[23:29] <gossip17> first few times I'm here....no one is here
[23:29] <gossip17> no one I mean NO ONE
[23:30] <gossip17> on my visit when I first come here
[23:30] <gossip17> I check the nicks and save iit
[23:30] <Silverlion> why? why saving the nicks?
[23:31] <gossip17> cause I'm followed by judgement failure
[23:31] <gossip17> I come into a channel and I save the nick
[23:31] <Myrtti> right, so, the Lubuntu question you had?
[23:31] <gossip17> so I can see who comes after me


[14:40] <lotuspsychje> akmal25: this channel supports the developing version of 20.04 currently
[14:41] <akmal25> lotuspsychje: so 20.04 version is available to test?
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> akmal25: this is usualy for supporters, devs and testers, and can hold potential breakage
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> akmal25: the daily version is available to test yes
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> just keep in mind this is not yet the LTS way
[14:41] <akmal25> where can i get that?
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> see the daily link in the topic
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> you can virtual machine it, live try it, or test install it on other computers
[14:43] <akmal25> lotuspsychje: great
[14:43] <akmal25> i will
[14:43] <akmal25> thanks
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> im also helping debug it
[14:44] <akmal25> lotuspsychje: ok
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> !info rustc
[15:08] <ice9> how much performance loss between using the discrete card as primary GPU and using PRIME?


[05:32] <Omnifrog> http://i.imgur.com/8kcX1PI.jpg  http://i.imgur.com/FzzDqjZ.jpg
[11:41] <wrst> morning tenc
[12:57] <twayneprice> wrst: http://gigaom.com/2013/10/08/with-reported-sms-addition-hangouts-looks-to-be-googles-answer-to-imessage/
[12:59] <wrst> twayneprice: that solves your issue?
[12:59] <wrst> and imessage is very cool  that would be big to have an answer to that for android
[13:06] <twayneprice> not sure. I'm hoping that if they add it for hangouts, they will add it to google voice.  Or maybe they will replace google voice with hangouts.  Google can be hard to figure out.  :)
[13:08] <wrst> that is for sure
[13:08] <wrst> I'm waiting on the Next Nexus since it looks to be a CDMA capable phone
[13:10] <twayneprice> i think my son is getting the Moto X and trying out Republic Wireless.
[13:11] <wrst> Republic Wireless is an interesting concept too
[13:11] <wrst> I really thought about them
[13:12] <wrst> my big thing about ting is that it roams on other CDMA networks and I haven't found another prepaid that does that
[13:13] <wrst> and the motox looks like a great phone
[13:15] <twayneprice> I think Republic roams on Verizon.
[13:16] <twayneprice> At least, that is what I read.
[13:17] <wrst> ahh that is good I never made it that far
[13:17] <wrst> so they are right there then
[13:18] <wrst> great thing is when you get off contract, you can with minimal irritation move somewhere else
[13:21] <twayneprice> Yup.  And I can't believe that they have the Moto X for $300. It is $550 everywhere else.
[13:22] <wrst> that's pretty cheap
[13:22] <wrst> after buying the older galaxy nexus i really like the nexus devices and would like to stay there
[13:25] <twayneprice> A guy at church has a Moto X and really likes it.  I've heard good things about the Nexus also.
[13:26] <wrst> I really prefer stock android, or actually really prefer cyanogenmod so it makes it really easy on the nexus devices
[13:26] <wrst> and they are pretty hard to brick
[13:40] <twayneprice> I've never used Android.
[13:41] <twayneprice> Other than just playing with someone elses phone/tablet, that is.
[13:44] <wrst> I'm pretty well in the android ecosystem
[13:44] <wrst> you can do the same things more or less on either
[13:44] <wrst> I do feel less locked in with android
[13:44] <wrst> I'm reminded of that everytime I have to deal with iTunes for my wife
[13:48] <twayneprice> I've been thinking of getting a cheap tablet.  What is the minimum Android version that you would recommend?
[13:48] <wrst> 4.1
[13:49] <wrst> 4.0 aka Icecream Sandwich was a big improvement but all of the jelly beans perform much better
[13:49] <wrst> depending on your definition of cheap a used nexus 7 wouldn't be a bad way to go
[13:50] <wrst> and you should get latest and greatest android and if you don't you can easily put cyanogenmod on them and have it
[13:52] <twayneprice> That is what I was thinking.  Or maybe a Samsung Galaxy Tab.  Can you put the latest android on tablets that come with something older?
[13:53] <wrst> all dependes that is were the android fragmentation really shows
[13:54] <wrst> if the vendor keeps supporting it you can, but chances are if it isn't a nexus device or something like a galaxy tab that is support by cyanogenmod I wouldn't want to expect it
[13:55] <twayneprice> I think I'll stick to one of those.  I think Walmart in Algood has this for $85:
[13:55] <twayneprice> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-2-7-Tablet-with-8GB-Memory-Titanium-Silver-Refurbished/21142087?action=product_interest&action_type=title&placement_id=irs_middle&strategy=PWVUB&visitor_id=49220784597&category=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A1078084&client_guid=80909c14-bfdc-4141-bb0c-14d393788329&config_id=2&parent_item_id=23871272&guid=546ae907-4ba3-455b-810
[13:55] <twayneprice> 1-65e27c9b930c&bucket_id=000&findingMethod=p13n
[13:56] <wrst> http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/P3110_Info
[13:56] <wrst> hmm 85 bucks?
[13:57] <wrst> that woudl be a good one for our 2 year old
[13:58] <wrst> twayneprice: I'm just not a fan of the samsung touchwiz interface, but that's just preference
[13:58] <twayneprice> Race you to the store?  :)
[13:58] <wrst> ha ha go ahead you need it :)
[14:00] <wrst> I have been somewhat looking for something like that or maybe even a phone, actually have thought about just keeping my SII for bri to play with
[14:00] <twayneprice> I like the 7" size.
[14:01] <wrst> yes the normal ipad size is a little large for my taste
[14:01] <wrst> and I have a cheap 10" android tablet and I'm not a fan of it either
[14:02] <twayneprice> Yea.  I have an iPad 1 that I rarely use.
[14:02] <wrst> the wife's is an ipad2
[14:05] <twayneprice> I use mine for a while and then don't touch it for a while.
[14:05] <tenc> Good morning gentlemen; wrst, twayneprice, Unit193.
[14:05] <wrst> howdy tenc
[14:05] <wrst> twayneprice: did the ipad 1 get ios7?
[14:09] <twayneprice> wrst: Not sure if it can.  I didn't try to upgrade yet.
[14:09] <twayneprice> morning tenc
[14:11] <wrst> didn't know either the ipad2 runs it nicely
[14:11] <wrst> that is something that apple does supremely better than android
[14:11] <wrst> pushing out updates
[14:17] <twayneprice> It doesn't appear that the ipad1 is upgradable.
[14:23] <wrst> I don't see anything hugely different short of appearances
[14:35] <twayneprice> Yea.  My iPhone 4 seems a little slower after upgrading.
[17:11] <twayneprice> wrst: http://gigaom.com/2013/10/08/report-nexus-5-to-start-at-299-battery-size-will-increase-with-storage/
[17:13] <wrst> 399 is more than a fair price for the hardware for the 32GB version, only tinky thing is the lack of sd card slot or I'm assuming it will be lacking
[17:44] <wrst> twayneprice: might take a look at glyde.com for tablets
[18:09] <twayneprice> wrst: There are some pretty good deals there.
[18:10] <wrst> yes I just put my SIII on there I have it on LSN but I can get more or less the same out of it on there without the aggervation it seems
[18:14] <twayneprice> wrst: did you try http://www.gazelle.com/ ?
[18:15] <wrst> according to glyde they give you more money :)
[18:15] <wrst> but no didn't so much
[18:16] <wrst> actually ting suggest glyde so just went there really
[18:26] <wrst> twayneprice: I suppose if I sell my phone I will just buy a nexus 7 while I have funds tied up on the site... you think that might be their game? :)
[18:28] <twayneprice> Ah.  All the sales turns into trades.  :)
[18:32] <wrst> yes
[18:32] <wrst> and im volunteering for their evil plan


[10:52] <JanC> Amaranth : hm, seems like it works when I drop on _some_ folders & not on others ?
[10:53] <mdke> Amaranth, #12743 looks like what I have
[10:53] <Amaranth> JanC: Yes, it won't work if you drop it on the 'Other' menu.
[10:53] <mdke> :)
[10:53] <JanC> Amaranth : yeah, that seems to be the issue  :)
[10:54] <JanC> that's another bug ?
[10:54] <Amaranth> no
[10:54] <Amaranth> just the way the menu system works
[10:54] <JanC> strange...
[10:54] <Amaranth> other is for things the menu system couldn't sort into anything else
[10:54] <Amaranth> anyway, your busted gedit moved?
[10:55] <Amaranth> and stayed moved in smeg?
[10:55] <Amaranth> if so, restart gnome-panel and see if it matches smeg
[10:56] <JanC> moved & restarted & still at the same location
[10:56] <JanC> now restarting gnome-panel
[11:01] <Amaranth> ping me when you find out
[11:01] <JanC> Amaranth : one didn't get moved
[11:01] <Amaranth> which one?
[11:02] <Amaranth> the one you mangled?
[11:02] <JanC> I can't see...
[11:02] <Amaranth> heh
[11:02] <JanC> they are all listed as "Tekst-editor" in the menu  ;-)
[11:02] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[11:02] <Amaranth> the one you mangled didn't get moved
[11:02] <Amaranth> which means your patch won't do it
[11:03] <Amaranth> i'll look at how libgnome-menu handles it after i wake up
[11:04] <JanC> Amaranth : where are changes saved ?
[11:05] <Amaranth> ~/.config/menus/applications.menu ~/.local/share/desktop-directories/ ~/.local/share/applications/
[11:05] <Lathiat> sounds like a bundle of fun
[11:05] <JanC> ah, forgot about .config
[11:05] <Lathiat> i am unenvious
[11:07] <JanC> Amaranth : maybe files with bad filenames should just be ignored ?
[11:07] <Amaranth> not if the menu doesn't ignore them
[11:08] <JanC> does the menu spec have a spec for translating impossible filenames ?  :)
[11:08] <Lathiat> heh
[11:10] <Amaranth> no
[11:10] <JanC> so this is undefined behaviour...   :-/
[11:12] <JanC>  DesktopFileID is something internal from python-xdg, nothing from the menu-spec ?
[11:21] <Amaranth> no, it's in the menu spec
[11:27] <Amaranth> it's pretty goofy, actually
 takes a DesktopFileID
[11:27] <bob2> oh, wow, there're x40 tablets now
[11:28] <Amaranth> which is generally just the filename but it might have a prefix on it depending on where it came from or other xml in the menu
[11:28] <Amaranth> bob2: slashdot beat you to it by about 2 weeks :)
[11:28] <bob2> I dont read slashdot
[11:29] <bob2> they look kinda arse, tho
[11:29] <Amaranth> yeah, and you probably can't drop them from a two-story window onto concrete :)
[11:29] <JanC> Amaranth : then you can't fix this
[11:29] <Amaranth> JanC: sure i can, i just have to use the same cheap hack libgnome-menu/glib uses
[11:30] <ogra_> hmm, we have no mediawiki package ?
[11:31] <JanC> Amaranth : they don't implement this
[11:31] <JanC> the entry is available in the menu
[11:31] <Amaranth> JanC: they must, you said your mangled gedit showed up
[11:31] <JanC> but when you click it, it says it can't find it  :)
[11:31] <Burgundavia> ok, this is cool --> http://myscreen.org
[11:31] <Amaranth> haha
[11:32] <Amaranth> JanC: file a bug in gnome's bugzilla against libgnome-menu
[11:32] <Amaranth> let them decide what to do about it before 2.12 so i can make smeg match
[11:34] <Amaranth> oh, and please CC<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:35] <JanC> I'll go to bed after filing the bug too, have to get up early...   :-/
[12:02] <Mez> is ubuntu doing a slang2 transition?


[01:10] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: moving ES UWN to the wiki now
[02:08] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: mind a quick PM?
[05:18] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: sorry, was out this evening
[07:55] <dholbach> good morning
[11:23] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: no worries
[11:23] <JoseeAntonioR> working on the CC post
[11:32] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2, akgraner: need a planet review, please
[11:49]  * akgraner looks
[11:52] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks!
[12:00] <akgraner> I'll publish it now...thanks for sending it  - the CC one right?
[12:01] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, ^^^
[16:12] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: hm, is the news team list the right one for hangout on air requests? (unless I'm missing something, if anything I'd think it would be the classroom list)
[16:13] <pleia2> or is this for inclusion in UWN?
[16:13]  * pleia2 adds link to UWN for now
[18:45] <akgraner> pleia2, when do you go digitally dark?
[18:45]  * akgraner is working on her calendar for April and May
[18:46] <pleia2> akgraner: April 24th - May 13th
[18:46] <pleia2> thank you!
[18:47] <akgraner> ok - I'll plan on the week before to the weekend after - how is that?
[18:51] <akgraner> or even the week before if you need that time to prep
[18:51] <akgraner> I know I would :-)
[18:52] <pleia2> the week before that I'll be at ODS mon-thurs
[18:52] <pleia2> I am truly going to just collapse on the beach come my honeymoon :)
[18:53] <akgraner> Gotcha - ok I'll add cover UWN for that week as well
[18:54] <Unit193> akgraner: And you can ping me for link checks, in case you don't remember.
[18:54] <akgraner> Unit193,  - just added a note to my calendar :-)
[18:55] <akgraner> If I don't add it then it doesn't exist (sadly)
[18:56] <Unit193> I normally scan scrollback for UWN links while I was away as well, but they may not always be used.
[22:08] <rickspencer3> pleia2, akgraner hello
[22:08] <pleia2> hey rickspencer3
[22:08] <rickspencer3> pleia2, so, it looks like the 100 scopes and in dash payments will probably land in 13.04 Friday or Monday
[22:09] <rickspencer3> would it be at all helpful if I drafted something about it that someone could put on the fridge?
[22:09] <pleia2> rickspencer3: yeah, that'd be great
[22:09] <rickspencer3> just a paragraph or two about the changes?
[22:09]  * pleia2 nods
[22:09] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: yeah, it was the CC one :)
[22:09] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: it was for submission at UWN and x-post to the fridge, is it fine if I do it?
[22:10] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: we don't usually use the fridge for on air announcements
[22:10] <pleia2> classroom blog if anything
[22:10] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, no prob
[22:10] <JoseeAntonioR> I can do it for my personal blog :)
[22:10]  * pleia2 nods
[22:10] <pleia2> that's what most people seem to do for their on air sessions
[22:11]  * JoseeAntonioR starts writing post


[05:25] <ricotz> hi, I guess this one needs a little pinch https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:5.1.3-0ubuntu1/+build/9771317
[07:02] <stub> cjwatson, wgrant: I wonder what happens if you request a file from Swift that is still being uploaded?
[07:02] <wgrant> stub: Hm, I'd hope nothing. eg. multipart files don't exist until the whole manifest makes it there, so there's some attempt at atomicity throughout the whole thing
[07:11] <stub> And it will barf if you provide an MD5 hash when uploading and it doesn't match, so I guess it must be buffered
[07:13]  * stub wonders about other edge cases, such as requesting a partially replicated file
[07:16] <stub> I think the client confirms the md5 when downloading, so that shouldn't matter.
[07:20] <wgrant> I'm pretty sure partial replication is impossible.
[07:20] <wgrant> It's certainly meant to be.
[09:55] <Laney> We have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/+bug/1579712 going on currently, which makes 'apt update' hang
[09:55] <Laney> A backport that got published in xenial-backports/main has made it happen for ~everybody
[09:55] <Laney> I've just mitigated it by re-publishing the other components in xenial-backports
[09:55] <Laney> but the archive's not going to get it until a package is published there, is it?
[10:02] <wgrant> You've updated the appstream metadata in a way that fixes the hang, and now need the affected suites republished so they pick up the new metadata?
[10:04] <Laney> Yeah
[10:04] <Laney> I'm guessing that just having dep11 be newer isn't enough to get it republished
[10:13] <cjwatson> Laney: This is from memory, but I think it is in fact enough
[10:29] <Laney> cjwatson: 'k, guess we'll find out soon enough
[10:56] <Laney> cjwatson: your memory was correct, thanks
[19:01] <heydrick> i've been getting intermittent 503's from launchpad PPAs on a daily basis. where's the best place to report that?
[19:01] <teward> that'd be here I think
[19:09] <heydrick> i'm seeing this on the API https://launchpad.net/api/1.0. the client is requesting the signing_key_fingerprint
[19:09] <heydrick> that returns a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable several times a day
[19:14] <dobey> you need to get the oops id from the http headers
[19:16] <heydrick> ok I will try to get that
[22:56] <heydrick> dobey: just got a bunch of 503's from the launchpad API. i don't see anything interesting in the headers
[22:57] <heydrick> happened between Fri, 20 May 2016 22:47:26 GMT and Fri, 20 May 2016 22:48:41
[22:57] <heydrick> anything interesting in the launchpad logs?
[22:58] <teward> heydrick: they can't find that without an OOPS code
[22:58] <teward> [2016-05-20 15:14:32] <dobey> you need to get the oops id from the http headers
[22:59] <teward> ^ as dobey said a while ago
[23:02] <heydrick> teward: there is no oops id in the headers
[23:04] <heydrick> the headers I get are:
[23:04] <heydrick> {'Content-Length': '742', 'Content-Encoding': 'gzip', 'Accept-Ranges': 'bytes', 'Vary': 'Accept-Encoding', 'Server': 'Apache', 'Last-Modified': 'Wed, 19 Nov 2014 16:06:07 GMT', 'Connection': 'close', 'ETag': '"6ca"', 'Date': 'Fri, 20 May 2016 22:48:41 GMT', 'Content-Type': 'text/html'}


[02:11] <BenC> sconklin: I thought I had verified that patch already
[02:28] <chadhogg> jjohansen: I was unable to boot with the kernel you built me; details on launchpad
[05:28] <twb> Stupid question: why does lucid-backports have linux kernels up to .35, but e.g. "compat wireless" modules up to .38?
[05:29] <twb> Oh, I see, it looks like it's the driver taken from the .38 tree and compiled against .32
[07:42] <smb> morning
[08:24] <apw> smb morning
[08:25] <diwic> apw, before my vacation I traced down a bug in PulseAudio that could be a gcc bug. Do you know how to proceed with that?
[08:26] <apw> diwic, normally one would file a bug against gcc, they will want the minimum code fragment that causes the miss-compile and a good description of how it is miss compiled
[08:27] <apw> against gcc-4.5 or whatever i guess
[08:27] <apw> how do we know it is a compiler problem ?
[08:27] <twb> apw: problem goes away when you change the compiler
[08:27] <apw> as unfortuanatly code which is relying on undefined side effects of some code forms can then change if you change the compiler
[08:28] <jjohansen> twb: all other parts of the environment the same?
[08:28] <apw> twb, one would really want to find the exact bit of code whihch is being miss built
[08:28] <diwic> apw, is bug 789031 filed against the right package?
[08:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 789031 in gcc-defaults "Built-in ASM constraint "rm" does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789031
[08:28] <twb> apw: granted
[08:29] <apw> diwic now that even sounds familiar, i wonder if something in the kernel ht the same issue
[08:29] <apw> diwic, i think i'd expect it to be gc-4.5 or gcc-4.6 depending on the version you are using
[08:30] <diwic> apw, actually in pulseaudio the problem was worse, it allocated one "r" and one "rm" into the same register
[08:31] <diwic> apw, but I couldn't get that done to a simple example
[08:31] <apw> so i think other than i think you want to do the right version, it looks good.  i would poke doko so he is aware, he is likely to recognise it if its come by already as a fix
[08:32] <diwic> ok
[08:33]  * diwic pokes in ubuntu-devel
[09:27] <akgraner> jjohansen, you around?  Was given your name for the person to contact for possible interview series?
[09:27] <jjohansen> akgraner: hey, of course I am around, what are you doing up so late
[09:28] <akgraner> jjohansen, late it's early here I'm about to start my day :-)
[09:28] <jjohansen> akgraner: ouch that is early
[09:28] <akgraner> nah just sleep decided to hid from me so I thought I would get some work done :-)
[10:29] <jazz2> hi, I upgraded my server from 9.04 to 10.04 (via 9.10); the server is connected in my lan via wlan(wpa2); ...
[10:29] <jazz2> the problem now is that the speed downloading from the server to the lan is down from ~700kb to ~100kb, while uploading to it is mostly not affected (~700kB). ...
[10:29] <jazz2> I tried:
[10:29] <jazz2> a) using a wired lan connection->normal speed,
[10:29] <jazz2> b) booting with kernel 2.6.28-19-generic -> wlan speeds are back to normal
[10:29] <jazz2> c) booting with kernel 2.6.31-14-generic -> wlan speeds still degraded
[10:29] <jazz2> question now is: what changed between the kernels and where do I start to fix this? any help would be highly appreciated
[10:35] <erhart> has someone tried to run a natty kernel in lucid?
[10:37] <ohsix> jazz2: what wifi chipset?
[10:39] <erhart> intel wifilink 5100 agn
[10:39] <jazz2> ohsix, where do I look for it
[10:39] <jazz2> i think it's something like Realtek
[10:40] <jazz2> ohsix, zd1211rw
[11:08] <ppisati> cooloney: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=roc/ubuntu-lucid.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc58ea3748869d2fa811dff26aa0fa07490b22b2
[11:08] <ppisati> cooloney: i can't find any branch where this patch has been applied
[11:08] <ppisati> cooloney: is it in use at all?
[11:09]  * smb -> lunch
[12:09]  * ppisati out to get some food
[14:54] <sconklin> smb: your comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/681083 - sorry I'm not up on all the virt stuff - does his test imply that the bug has been fixed in the XenMotion case, or only that the kernel doesn't fail in a major way?
[14:54] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 681083 in linux "Ubuntu Crashes/Freeze on XenMotion" [Medium,In progress]
[14:56] <smb> sconklin, Whatever they exactly do in xenmotion I actually do not know. But one part is running generic kernels (-pae in i386) as domU guests.
[14:56] <smb> So when he took that 2.6.35 kernel I provided and installed it into his Lucid guest, the Maverick kernel got tested
[14:57] <smb> sconklin, Probably another argument could be that this patch is now added for the next 2.6.32 (may or may not get picked for .35 as well) longterm tree
[14:58] <smb> So sooner or later it will come. But I heard you are slightly frustrated by longterm trees. :)
[15:02] <sconklin> BenC: I see your test results in the bug - It's that the SRU process requires that someone actually test the kernel in -proposed, and it looks like you tested a test build to validate the patch.
[15:03] <BenC> sconklin: Ok, I'll test the actual build
[15:03] <sconklin> thanks, much appreciated
[15:23] <flipside> hello
[15:35] <BenC> sconklin: Ok, confirmed...where do I add my two-cents?
[15:36] <sconklin> add a comment and I'll set the tag. Thanks!
[15:41]  * BenC has forgotten the bug report
[15:41] <sconklin> stand by
[15:41] <BenC> Found it in scrollback
[16:05] <apw> apw ...
[16:13] <apw> apw_ ?
[16:13] <bjf> apw ??
[16:39]  * smb wonders whether apw exploded...
[16:39] <apw> smb, trying out a new irc client was all
[16:40] <smb> apw, Ah. :)
[17:39]  * smb -> eod
[17:45] <jjohansen> apw: tangerine seems to be hanging on builds (not just in schroots), who do we hit up to look into it
[17:46] <apw> jjohansen, whats the symptoms
[17:46] <apw> cnd what you doing to tangerine?
[17:46] <sforshee> apw, fakeroot is hanging in the kernel trying to get some semaphore
[17:46] <jjohansen> apw: it just hangs, sforshee reported and I duplicated
[17:47] <apw> sforshee, anything specific, which sema ?
[17:47] <sforshee> apw, not sure
[17:47] <apw> i can bounce it if thats useful
[17:47] <sforshee> you'll see a bunch of faked-sysv processes in uninterruptible sleep
[17:48] <sforshee> /proc/<pid>/wchan shows call_rwsem_down_write_failed
[17:48] <sforshee> apw, yeah it prolly needs to be bounced when cnd is done
[17:49] <apw> ok well let me know when he is done, if he can be anythiong other than done
[17:49] <apw> sforshee, given its actual makes which are spinning, i'd say he is not making progress
[17:50] <apw> yeah they are dead i recon
[17:53] <apw> sforshee, i don;'t think cnd is making progress
[17:53] <apw> votes for bouncing ??
[17:53] <apw> jjohansen, sforshee ^^
[17:53] <jjohansen> +1
[17:53] <sforshee> +1
[17:54] <apw> in progress
[17:55] <sforshee> bjf, could you accept my natty nomination on bug #767192 ?
[17:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 767192 in linux "Wireless flaky on Acer Aspire 5100 after installing Natty" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/767192
[17:55] <sforshee> thanks apw
[19:16] <sforshee> anyone around that can accept my natty nomination on bug #767192 ?
[19:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 767192 in linux "Wireless flaky on Acer Aspire 5100 after installing Natty" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/767192
[21:41] <Specialist> Hi there, are there any plans to publish a kernel update for natty based on a recent -stable (> <IP_ADDRESS>) kernel version?
[21:43] <Specialist> I am asking because I am affected by bug #746860, which has already been fixed upstream
[21:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746860 in linux "System sporadically freezes during suspend to RAM" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746860
[21:49] <sconklin> Specialist: the natty kernel currently in -proposed is current thru <IP_ADDRESS> but has two known regressions that we will have to resolve before we can fix it and spin another release
[21:50] <sconklin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/792013 is the tracking bug for that, and has other bugs linked from there for the regressions
[21:50] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 792013 in linux "[Regression] linux: 2.6.38-10.44 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress]
[21:50] <Specialist> sconklin: thanks! i'll see whether those affect me and will probably just take the kernel from -proposed if they don't
[21:52] <sconklin> Specialist: if either of them affect you in a way you can reproduce, we could use help bisecting kernels to locate the problem. I think our main reporter is gone until Monday . . .
[21:53] <vanhoof> sconklin: ah cool, I didn't know -10 in -proposed carried all the way through <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:53] <sconklin> Specialist: sorry, I got that wrong. The release in -proposed has up through <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:53]  * vanhoof has a few bugs that will get closed out then :)
[21:53] <vanhoof> ah rats :D
[21:54] <sconklin> we've temporarily stopped taking upstream updates because of the load of regressions we got in the last batch
[21:55] <sconklin> vanhoof: anything you really care about, open an SRU bug even though it's in a stable update, and get it on the kernel list for acks.
[21:55] <Specialist> sconklin: np, as long as it's > .6, it's fine ;-) i'll let you know if i see anything unusual comparable to the two regressions with the -proposed version
[21:55] <Specialist> sconklin: is the bisect progress documented somewhere?
[21:55] <sconklin> vanhoof: sorry to push things into that path, but we're trying not to take another multi-week train wreck
[21:56] <sconklin> Specialist: hold in - herton has been doing those ^^
[21:57] <vanhoof> sconklin: well .8 will make its way in at some point
[21:59] <herton> Specialist: for bug 793796, the bisect progress is on last comment on bug report
[21:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 793796 in linux "2.6.38-10 panic after ejecting drive" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/793796
[22:00] <herton> it's waiting for the reporter to test the next step
[22:01] <herton> the other one (bug 794096) is on a bisect also with the reporter, he will only be able to test next bisect next week...
[22:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 794096 in linux "SMTP and posting to a web-form time out (probably due to netfilter changes)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/794096
[22:02] <herton> this last one is weird, as reporter already tested with the most likely changes which could cause the issue reverted
[22:03] <herton> and there isn't much info yet which could point to real issue
[22:04] <herton> I tried to reproduce both here but without success, so if there is anyone else being able to reproduce the same and able to help would be great
[22:58] <Kano> hi, which config option is the problematic one that now a newer module-init-tools is required
[22:59] <Kano> rc2 worked fine with lenny, rc3 does not
[23:00] <Kano> but even with squeeze 3.0rc3 works,so you do not need that extreme depend
[23:00] <Kano> i lower it in my install scripts anyway
[23:00] <Kano> this just takes useless time
[23:58] <apw> Kano, its there becase we need it in the oneiric tree where the versions are correctly specified, and its getting copied to the mainline builds.  i'll fix it when i have time
[23:59] <apw> as you have noted you can actually fix it yourself as you make your own packages
[23:59] <Kano> no i use dpkg-deb
[23:59] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/fix/mainline/install-daily.sh
[23:59] <Kano> take a look


[19:43] <lubuntu> You'll never take me alive, copper!
[19:51] <krotera[m]> Might anyone have any idea why, in the key bindings GUI (the `Global Actions Manager`), I can set ANY combo of keys for a command *EXCEPT* for `Win + E`?
[19:51] <wxl> yes
[19:52] <wxl> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/F/keyboard_shortcuts.html
[19:53] <krotera[m]> > if the W(indows) key opens the LXQT application menu (equivilant of the windows start menu) in Global-keys, Openbox commands like window resizing (W + arrow keys) will not work correctly.
[19:53] <krotera[m]> Huh.
[19:54] <krotera[m]> But other `Win` combos work just fine. D: And I think I had `Win + E` set up before, but now I can't set it again. I guess "not work correctly" must mean "work sporadically".
[19:54] <krotera[m]>  * > if the W(indows) key opens the LXQT application menu (equivilant of the windows start menu) in Global-keys, Openbox commands like window resizing (W + arrow keys) will not work correctly.
[19:54] <krotera[m]> Huh.
[19:54] <krotera[m]> (`Win`, by itself, does indeed open the application launcher.)
[19:55] <wxl> in that case, nope.
[19:55] <wxl> what version are you on?
[19:55] <krotera[m]> Ubuntu 20.04 focal, 5.8.0-43-generic
[19:56] <kc2bez[m]> What did you bind `Win + E` to?
[19:56] <krotera[m]> Before, I bound it to `dolphin`, a file manager. Then I unbound it. Now, I can't bind anything to `Win + E`.
[19:57] <krotera[m]> `Win + Q` works just fine.
[19:57]  * krotera[m] uploaded an image: image.png (27KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/UKOhcPJdsCJLmQcMkFDtzneZ/image.png >
[19:57] <krotera[m]> I guess I should call it `Meta` instead of `Win`. But `Meta + E`, in particular, will not register at all in the red-boxed element. xD
[19:58] <krotera[m]>  * I guess I should call it `Meta` instead of `Win`. But `Meta + E`, in particular, will not appear at all in the red-boxed element when I press it. xD
[19:59] <krotera[m]>  * I guess I should call it `Meta` instead of `Win`. But `Meta + E`, in particular, will not appear at all in the red-boxed element when I press it. xD
[19:59] <krotera[m]> `Q`, `W`, `R`, `T`, `A`, `S`, `D`, all work. Just not `E`.
[20:01] <wxl> try removing that entry and creating a new one
[20:01] <krotera[m]>  * I guess I should call it `Meta` instead of `Win`. But `Meta + E`, in particular, **will not appear at all** in the red-boxed element when I press it. xD
[20:01] <krotera[m]> `Q`, `W`, `R`, `T`, `A`, `S`, `D`, all work. Just not `E`.
[20:02] <wxl> i certainly can't reproduce THAT behavior, though (where it won't take the keystroke)
[20:03] <krotera[m]> Did. The countdown in the red-boxed element just keeps going on `Meta + E`, as if I'm not pressing it.
 is Meta+E mapped already elsewhere?
[20:03] <krotera[m]> <lubot "[telegram] <teward001> is Meta+E"> No
[20:04] <krotera[m]> Is there some way to open the Global Actions Manager with command line output, to spot any errors? : o
[20:04] <wxl> of course
[20:06] <krotera[m]> `xprop | grep WM_CLASS` reveals the Global Actions Manager GUI to be `lxqt-config-globalkeyshortcuts`, and that works. : D
[20:07] <krotera[m]> But sadly no errors print out when it's not accepting `Meta + E`. xD
[20:07] <krotera[m]>  * `xprop | grep WM_CLASS` and clicking the Global Actions Manager GUI reveals its command to be `lxqt-config-globalkeyshortcuts`, and that works. : D
[20:08] <krotera[m]>  * `xprop | grep WM_CLASS` and clicking the Global Actions Manager GUI reveals its command to be `lxqt-config-globalkeyshortcuts`, and launching it that way works. : D
[20:08] <wxl> you may want to try to run the actual daemon: /usr/bin/lxqt-globalkeysd
[20:08] <wxl> (which means you'll have to kill it first)
[20:11]  * krotera[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/cTdaffmeyWoMQgGpGThYawUW/message.txt >
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[20:12] <wxl> clearly not
[20:12] <krotera[m]> I only know how to interface with daemons via `systemctl`. D:
[20:13] <wxl> um
[20:14] <wxl> killall globalkeysd && globalkeysd
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[20:15] <wxl> kill $(pgrep globalkeysd)
[20:15] <wxl> and if that still produces nothing, it's not running and that may well be your problem right there. you can further confirm with e.g. `ps aux | grep globalkeysd`
[20:18] <krotera[m]> `$(pgrep globalkeysd)` produces nothing, but `ps aux` did reveal `/usr/bin/lxqt-globalkeysd` running with a PID which I killed.
[20:18] <krotera[m]> There's also a `--color=auto globalkeysd` running which rotates its PID on every `ps aux` command. xD
[20:18]  * krotera[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/RjyQoKkPOiSbxWVEhtJDsSAz/message.txt >
[20:19] <krotera[m]>  * `$(pgrep globalkeysd)` produces nothing, but `ps aux` did reveal `/usr/bin/lxqt-globalkeysd` running with a PID which I killed.
[20:19] <krotera[m]> There's also a `--color=auto globalkeysd` running which changes its PID on every `ps aux` command. xD
[20:19] <wxl> UGH i meant lxqt-globalkeysd
[20:20]  * krotera[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/iOIOhsRxxBFpTBiOEYNztPys/message.txt >
[20:20] <krotera[m]> : D
[20:20] <krotera[m]> I guess the daemon's restarted, but the Global Actions Manager has the same problem. Still accepts everything else except for `Meta + E`.
[20:21] <wxl> can't reproduce so
[20:21] <wxl> of course you have dolphin so what other quirks does your system have relative to stock lubuntu?
[20:25] <krotera[m]> A few, I guess. :v I have many things installed, like Dropbox, Chrome, yakuake, etc. Modified my `~/.bashrc`. That's a hard question to answer comprehensively.
[20:26] <wxl> well, something there must be causing the conflict
[20:26] <krotera[m]> I also replaced `xscreensaver` with `xautolock` since `xscreensaver` was locking all except for one of my monitors. 😂
[20:27] <wxl> oh i'd file a bug against that. as a general rule, `xscreensaver` is the one and only solution for locking that actually works
[20:27] <wxl> which is why we are pretty adamant about not using anything else
[20:27] <krotera[m]> Apparently not. :v
[20:27] <wxl> you miss my point
[20:28] <wxl> there have been a ton of security bugs against other lockers
[20:31]  * krotera[m] uploaded an image: locker.png (1708KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/tXnPAewSlidZaiHGYYiPocNs/locker.png >
[20:31] <krotera[m]> There's a picture I took of it. xD
[20:31] <wxl> like i said, file a bug
[20:32] <krotera[m]> I filed a bug on Launchpad, but they told me to file it upstream. Do I do that https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/bugs.html ?
[20:32] <wxl> where's this launchpad bug?
[20:33] <krotera[m]> Well, it's private since it's security-related.
[20:33] <wxl> and?
[20:33] <wxl>  1. share the url and no one without privledges will be able to see it
[20:33] <krotera[m]>  * Well, it's private since it's security-related.
[20:33] <krotera[m]> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/1916003
[20:34] <wxl>  2. is there even any info on there that should be private?
[20:34] <wxl> yeah that bug doesn't even exist
[20:36] <wxl> guiverc: ^ didn't you see something like this with e.g. bug 1814490 ?
[20:36] <wxl> anyways, yep, that's upstream
[20:36]  * krotera[m] uploaded an image: image.png (75KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/JyDKeEtdZabKQDdqTJdJlpgd/image.png >
[20:36] <krotera[m]> <wxl "yeah that bug doesn't even exist"> Same URL I posted : o
[20:37] <wxl> very strange. i should have access to all of the private bugs but oh well
[20:38] <wxl> if it's not already resolved (5.45 is out upstream), then reporting it upstream would be the way to go
[20:39] <wxl> there were a bunch of bug fixes in 5.44 and 5.45
[20:40] <krotera[m]> Cool. ¦ p
[20:42] <krotera[m]> LXQt feels a little rough around the edges. It's incredibly smooth, graphically, though. 🤩 On no other DE do windows drag around as smoothly as they do on Windows (and you drag them a lot since ostensibly Openbox doesn't support window snapping/tiling).
[20:43] <wxl> xscreensaver has nothing to do with LXQt
[20:43] <wxl> and your problem with Meta-E is yours alone
[20:43] <wxl> but if you've got some other reason to say that…
[20:43] <wxl> (also Openbox has nothing to do with LXQt, either)
[20:44] <krotera[m]> That's true. xD I guess I should say Lubuntu, as a whole.
[20:44] <wxl> well you can always contribute and help make it better
[20:47] <krotera[m]> I would like that, but I probably need to be a little smarter first. : p
[20:47] <krotera[m]> Anyway, I appreciate the help.
[20:47] <wxl> i think you're selling yourself a little short
[20:47] <wxl> there's ALWAYS places people can help
[21:51] <guiverc> wxl, sorry didn't see the bug you mentioned, but 1814490 occurs when screens are positioned relative to one another in specific locations (with attached.clicked).  I expect that'll go with 0.16  (I don't look for it anymore, just slightly alter screen positions when it occurs)
[21:53] <wxl> guiverc: well tl;dr the issue was xscreensaver not locking on all screens
[21:54] <wxl> not sure about positioning and the person made a private bug report and promptly ran away sooooooo
[21:55] <guiverc> sorry I'm very distracted.. yep that occurs and I hope it'll be gone with 0.16, but I'm convinced it occurs with screens relatively positioned to one another.. I've got ~4 like bugs that all occur together (the screensaver can occur on it's own.. so it's a little different, but change screen position & it stops occurring too)
[21:56] <wxl> i wonder if it's something that occurs on other destop environments
[22:07] <guiverc> not that I've experienced.. it occurs on multiple boxes for me (most folks don't have one screen above another; but I've six screens on desk (2 high x 3)  & use 2x per box so vertical seemed easier


[18:50] <Myrtti> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/f35eabc95
[18:50] <Myrtti> ohai
[19:04] <maco> why is jussi pinging me mightily?
[19:28] <jussi01> maco: because I want something from you :P
[19:31] <Myrtti> jussi01: we remembered at the pizza place (thanks for the tip!) that we forgot our sammiches in the fridge. Have fun.
[19:32] <jussi01> Myrtti: hehe... pizza was good though?
[19:33] <jussi01> Myrtti: also, have you noticed your lack of toothpaste yet?
[19:35] <Myrtti> no I haven't. Oh well.
[19:40] <topyli> jussi01 is the net winner
[19:41] <Myrtti> yeah... I'd say so
[19:41] <Myrtti> him and Sari and VR and Stockmann
[19:41] <Myrtti> s/him/he/
[19:41] <jussi01> hey, I got engaged... Im allowed to win...
[19:42] <Myrtti> I'm not saying you're not
[19:42] <Myrtti> I'm just stating the fact you did
[19:42] <Myrtti> :-)
[19:44] <jussi01> :d
[19:50] <Mez> may need some assistance in #ubuntu-uk if anyones available for quickbanning action
[19:52] <jpds> Mez: Oh well done.
[19:52] <jpds> Mez: How do we talk now?
[19:53] <tsimpson> Mez: not many of us have access in there
[19:53] <jpds> Mez: 19:50:30 < jpds>  /mode +R
[19:54] <ikonia> no access for me
[19:54] <ikonia> I thought I did have access in there though
[19:54] <maco> jussi01: you stole Myrtti's toothpaste?
[19:55] <jussi01> maco: she came up for our engagement party and left it here
[19:55] <maco> ah ok
[19:55] <maco> i was thinking you visited her and then the toothpaste decided to go home with you
[19:57] <jussi01> nah
[19:58] <mneptok> jussi01 doesn't use toothpaste.
[20:35] <Mez> what makes a channel "official"?
[20:36] <tsimpson> depends on the channel
[20:45] <ikonia> I thought it just required approval from the council ?
[20:47] <tsimpson> ikonia: LoCos can create sub-channels, managed by the LoCo
[20:48] <ikonia> but the main channel has to be official though doesn't it ?
[20:49] <tsimpson> for anything under our namespace, and not LoCo
[20:49] <jussi01> ikonia: got a min for pm?
[20:49] <ikonia> yup
[22:46] <imran> Will I ever get un-banned from the support channel? I've been waiting for help for a week now and I'm about to just uninstall ubuntu
[22:57] <elky> imran, threats to throw your toys out of the sandbox aren't going to help you much. especially when you're asking for us to let you back in to swear at volunteers for not being available at the drop of a hat. have you read the guidelines now and willing to behave accordingly?


[00:20]  * mwhudson lunch
[01:30]  * thumper is actually enjoying the javascript stuff :)
[02:45] <mwhudson> man you can tell the sort of day i've had
[02:45] <mwhudson> rebooted last night; hadn't started emacs until just now
[03:03] <thumper> mwhudson: oh no
[03:03] <thumper> mwhudson: why is that?
[03:03] <mwhudson> thumper: because i've been writing email/on the phone/yakking on irc all day
[03:03] <thumper> heh
[03:45] <mwhudson> man i hate our vcs test fixture thingies we use in the code import testsd
[03:46] <lifeless> you could use testresources
[04:09] <wgrant> lifeless: OK, now I agree with you that creating SPNs on push is sane.
[04:09] <wgrant> I think.
[04:09] <lifeless> :)
[04:10] <lifeless> wgrant: actually trying to do something can be very educational
[04:19] <mwhudson> code that deletes the cwd can seem a little odd
[05:17]  * mwhudson eods
[08:05] <mwhudson> oh stabby
[08:05] <mwhudson> my ec2 test of bzr-svn-imports failed because the relevant goo isn't installed on the image yet
[08:14] <thumper> mwhudson: :(
[08:14] <thumper> mwhudson: hey, I have a stabby alias now :)
[08:14] <thumper> ✁☹
[08:15] <thumper> ☕
[08:18] <thumper> hmm, just tried to push :(
[08:19] <noodles775> thumper: you're aware that codehosting is offline right? (see topic)
[08:19] <thumper> noodles775: yeah, I remembered after I tried to push
[08:19] <thumper> noodles775: I have a cool branch to land though :)
[08:19] <noodles775> :)
[08:19]  * wgrant wonders how it could possibly take four hours, unless the disks are being entirely replaced offline.
[08:20] <thumper> wgrant: the resize forces a fschk
[08:21] <wgrant> thumper: Ah.
[08:21] <spm> backup; resize; fsck
[08:22] <thumper> spm: so what will this do for our space?
[08:22] <spm> thumper: an extra 2-3 weeks breathing space :-P
[08:25] <wgrant> I wonder how much space would be saved by regularly pruning unnecessary revisions from stacked branches.
[08:30] <adeuring> good morning
[08:31] <noodles775> Hi adeuring
[08:31] <adeuring> hi noodles775!
[09:15] <maxb> I'd think quite a lot, since for merged branches that amounts to deleting almost all their data
[09:16] <wgrant> maxb: Exactly.
[09:19] <lifeless> step 1) implement 'bzr gc'
[09:19] <lifeless> step 2) implement 'bzr gc --keep-dead-heads'
[09:53] <mwhudson> wgrant: i wonder that too
[09:53] <mwhudson> wgrant: want a write a script that will try it?
[09:53] <mwhudson> lifeless: you could go for a more inaccurate hammer: if the tip of the branch is in the repo of the stacked on branch, delete the repository from the stacked branch
[09:53] <mwhudson> (i realize this isn't quite the same thing)
[09:56] <lifeless> mwhudson: I wouldn't do that.
[09:56] <lifeless> mwhudson: as tags would get fucked over.
[09:56] <mwhudson> tags are stored in the repo?
[09:56] <mwhudson> i thought it was the branch
[09:56] <mwhudson> but never mind
[09:56] <lifeless> tags refer to revisions
[09:57] <lifeless> if you zap the repo, and there is a reference to a revision not in the stacked on repo... boom
[09:57] <lifeless> you've just deleted something important
[11:40] <salgado> codehosting is still down for maintenance, I guess?
[12:01] <mars> thumper, the yui 3.0.
[12:01] <mars> thumper, the yui 3.0.0 branch has landed on db-devel
[14:27] <flacoste> morning launchpadders
[14:31] <sinzui> barry: bac: stand-up in 2 minutes
[14:31] <bac> morning flacoste
[14:32] <matsubara> stub, Chex, gary_poster, rockstar, Ursinha, sinzui, allenap: LP production meeting in 28 min @ #launchpad-meeting
[14:34] <maxb> flacoste: Hi. Would it be possible to reassign the official meta-lp-deps branches to ~launchpad-committers at this point?
[14:34] <flacoste> maxb: sure thing
[14:34] <Ursinha> matsubara, I'm afraid I won't be able to attend
[14:35] <maxb> Thanks :-)
[14:35] <matsubara> Ursinha, that's ok
[14:37] <flacoste> maxb: i'm going to mark the dapper and gutsy branch obsolete, any objections?
[14:38] <maxb> Makes sense
[14:40] <flacoste> maxb: all done
[14:41] <maxb> flacoste: Could you reassign the dapper and gutsy too? To keep them all together and so that I can patch up their stacked-on urls.
[14:44] <flacoste> maxb: doing...
[14:45] <flacoste> and done
[14:50] <maxb> suitable surgery performed on the stacked_on_urls
[14:50] <maxb> via horrid assortment of sftp and bzrlib in interactive python :-)
[14:51] <matsubara> hi bigjools
[14:51] <matsubara> are you going to be around for the lp production meeting?
[14:51] <matsubara> in 9 min :-)
[14:55] <bigjools> matsubara: no :)
[14:55] <matsubara> bigjools, anyone from soyuz will be around?
[14:56] <bigjools> noodles775: would you be able to fill in please?
[14:56] <bigjools> and good morning/afternoon BTW :)
[14:56] <noodles775> bigjools, matsubara: yep.
[14:56] <matsubara> thanks noodles775
[14:56] <matsubara> and bigjools
[15:07] <jml> hello launchpadders
 hello jml!
[15:20] <jml> :)
[15:20] <jml> I would like my own chorus
[15:20] <gary_poster> heh
[15:21] <jml> you know what one of the hidden dangers of two weeks solid non-hacking sprinting is?
[15:21] <jml> rogue ec2 instances
[15:21] <mars> gary_poster, it's difficult to chorus without timestamps.  I see jml, I see barry.  Could have joined 6 hours apart for all I know!
[15:22] <mars> well, except that jml is probably at UDS right now, but I often forget that
[15:22]  * barry sings d'oh, ray, me
[15:22] <gary_poster> lol
[15:22] <mars> jml, eewww
[15:23] <barry> gary_poster: hi!  how screwed are my 2 week old launchpad branches now? :)
[15:23] <mars> jml, 'ec2 check-for-zombies', put it in a crontab?
[15:23] <gary_poster> barry: pretty screwed! :-) you have Python 2.5 and YUI 3 final landings now. ;-)
[15:23] <jml> yeah, I should do something like that.
[15:24] <jml> I have to put it on my server, obviously, because laptop-powered crontabs are next to useless.
[15:24] <mars> we all should
[15:24]  * mars runs a desktop system
[15:24] <barry> gary_poster: yay!  hopefully they're all review branches and landed branches
[15:26] <abentley> gary_poster: I am trying to use a new library with launchpad (ampoule).  I've added the tarball to download-cache/dist and I've edited versions.config.  But it doesn't get installed when I run make, and make doesn't error either.  What am I missing?
[15:27]  * jml has "Oh What A Night!" stuck in his head
[15:27]  * barry stabs jml
[15:27] <jml> at last, sweet mercy
[15:29] <mars> abentley, I just did that yesterday.  check doc/buildout.txt, there is a section with exactly the instructions you need.
[15:29] <gary_poster> abentley: add it to setup.py.  (we need to have indirect versions in versions.cfg, so it is nice to have all the versions in one place.  direct dependencies should be declared in setup.py as usual)
[15:29] <gary_poster> or see mars' reply :-)
[15:29] <abentley> gary_poster, mars: thanks.
[15:30]  * jml goes to look for deryck & intellectronica
[15:30] <mars> jml, if you find them or beuno, tell them the bugs subscriber portlet has been broken for a week now :(
[15:31] <jml> mars, do you have a bug number for that?
[15:32] <mars> jml, 484848
[15:32] <mars> bug 484848
[15:32] <mup> Bug #484848: Subscriber icons in the subscribers portlet appear on a separate line from the subscribers' names <bug-page> <ui> <Launchpad Bugs:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/484848>
[15:32] <jml> (I successfully demonstrated the bug subscriber portlet last night)
[15:32] <mars> jml, just a style issue, but when you see it, it makes you go "oops!"
[15:32] <jml> mars, I'm sure they would gratefully accept a patch :)
[15:33] <mars> jml, of course.  I did some work on it yesterday.  I'm not actually committing to fixing it though.
[15:33] <rockstar> flacoste, hello sir.
[15:52] <flacoste> hi rockstar, on the phone
[15:52] <rockstar> flacoste, no sweat.
[15:52] <rockstar> flacoste, I wanted to talk to you about fixing canonical_url in windmill.
[16:02] <beuno> mars, I know of the broken prtlet, so does deryck
[16:42] <rockstar> gary_poster, hi
[17:04] <gary_poster> rockstar: hi.  lunching.  ping you when I return?
[17:04] <rockstar> gary_poster, I got what I needed from flacoste.  Thanks though.
[17:05] <gary_poster> cool
[18:48] <bac-lunch> sinzui: is anyone looking at bug 485237?  you want me to?
[18:48] <mup> Bug #485237: OOPS - KeyError: 'link' - in person-index.pt <oops> <Launchpad Registry:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/485237>
[18:49] <sinzui> bac no, it was reported a few hours afo
[18:49] <bac-lunch> sinzui: so is that a "no, yes"?
[18:50] <sinzui> bac: no, that is a no. it is not assigned and it is not inprogress.
[18:50] <bac> sinzui: righto.  but would you like to assign it to me?  i'm looking for work.
[18:50] <sinzui> bac: take it
[18:50] <bac> okey doke
[20:04] <thumper> morning
[20:21] <mwhudson_> maxb: hi
[20:24] <mwhudson> or anyone else who understand how the launchpad ppa works currently...
[20:25]  * wgrant knows a bit.
[20:34] <jelmer> 'moin mwhudson
[20:34] <jelmer> mwhudson, did you see my comment about _make_silent_logger imports in your bzr-svn-imports branch?
[20:35] <mwhudson> jelmer: yes, i think i replied?
[20:35] <jelmer> sorry, I must've missed that
[20:37] <mwhudson> jelmer: i need to build launchpad-dependencies 0.57 for hardy and make an ami for ec2test before i can land it anyway...
[20:38] <mwhudson> which is why i was asking about the ~launchpad ppa
[20:38] <mwhudson> wgrant: i built launchpad-dependencies 0.57 for karmic last night
[20:38] <mwhudson> wgrant: what do i need to do for hardy?
[20:39] <jelmer> mwhudson: ah, ok
[20:40] <jelmer> mwhudson, what about the import error?
[20:42] <wgrant> mwhudson: You'll need to merge your Karmic branch into the Hardy branch.
[20:42] <wgrant> mwhudson: And probably give it a version number like 0.57~hardy1, rather than the traditional 0.57hardy1 which isn't right.
[20:42] <wgrant> Actually, the hardy changes might not be necessary now that 2.4 support is not required.
[20:42] <mwhudson> jelmer: s/_make_silent_logger/QuietFakeLogger/
[20:42] <mwhudson> i guess
[20:42] <mwhudson> wgrant: okay
[20:44] <jelmer> mwhudson: ah, great
[20:46] <mwhudson> wgrant: oh that's true\
[20:46] <mwhudson> i forget exactly why hardy is different even though i was responsible for the difference
[20:46] <mwhudson> (and the bogus version number)
[20:47] <mwhudson> i have this memory of being very angry though
[20:47] <wgrant> Heh.
[20:47] <wgrant> What's the diff?
[20:48] <mwhudson> i think it's just not depending on python2.4-support on hardy
[20:51] <mwhudson> trunk launchpad-dependencies still depends on all kinds of python 2.4 stuff
[20:51] <mwhudson> is it too soon to drop all that?
[20:51] <mwhudson> gary_poster: hi
[20:54] <thumper> wgrant: can you see the landscape overview page now?
[20:54] <mars> mwhudson, OT question: would bzr-explorer allow me to quickly jump between 'bzr blame', the revision number, the diff for said revision, etc.?
[20:54] <mwhudson> mars: no idea!
[20:54] <wgrant> thumper: It's lying, but yes.
[20:54] <mars> darn :(
[20:54] <mwhudson> i don't have any truck with this gui nonsense
[20:54] <thumper> wgrant: :)
[20:54] <mars> heh
[20:54] <mwhudson> well not really
[20:54] <mwhudson> but i don't know
[20:55] <mwhudson> mars: bzr gannotate can do that
[20:55] <mwhudson> so i expect explorer can too
[20:55] <mwhudson> (or soon will)
[20:55] <mars> if it builds against bzr nightlies...
[20:56] <mars> there we go: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bzr-explorer-dev/ppa
[20:57] <mars> this is one of the application usage models where the command line sucks: random browsing
[21:00] <gary_poster> mwhudson: hi
[21:01] <gary_poster> mwhudson: I think we can drop all that stuff.  We should convert the -2.4 to the -2.5
[21:01] <mwhudson> gary_poster: ok
[21:01] <gary_poster> mwhudson: does that mean I should say thank you? :-)
[21:03] <mwhudson> yeah, i'll do that
[21:03] <mwhudson> gary_poster: will you review the branch?
[21:03] <gary_poster> mwhudson: absolutely.  thank you!
[21:03] <mwhudson> gary_poster: around for another hour or so?
[21:04] <gary_poster> mwhudson: yes, for just under two hours
[21:04] <gary_poster> ish
[21:04] <mwhudson> cool
[21:04]  * mwhudson prefers summer in some ways
[21:14] <wgrant> bigjools: Can you please review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/distroseries-source-format-selection/+merge/14977 when you have time?
[21:15] <bigjools> wgrant: is that the one where you already requested a review from me?
[21:16] <wgrant> bigjools: It is.
[21:16] <bigjools> wgrant: ok, sorry I've not had time to get to it yet, blame UDS
[21:16] <wgrant> UDS does that.
[21:17] <wgrant> And I'll have a hopefully small branch tonight to fix gina.
[21:17] <bigjools> wgrant: I'll do my best to look at it this week, but it's most likely to be Monday
[21:17] <wgrant> And I think that should be it.
[21:26] <mwhudson> gary_poster: do you think sed -i -e 's/python2.4/python2.5/g' debian/control is basically speaking right?
[21:27] <gary_poster> mwhudson, yeah, removing the resulting dupe python2.5-dev
[21:27] <gary_poster> mwhudson we might be specifying more than we need, but that's a diff problem for a diff day, IMO
[21:27] <Ursinha> bigjools, nice sticker
[21:29] <mwhudson> gary_poster: ok
[21:29] <bigjools> Ursinha: yes ma'am!
[21:29] <Ursinha> hahahaha
[21:34]  * mwhudson is confused
[21:34] <mwhudson> seems the launchpad-dependencies that built yesterday are broken?
[21:35] <wgrant> What's broken about them?
[21:36] <wgrant> A saw a bug about something last night, and it looked like lots of deps might have been removed, but I didn't look at it in detail.
[21:36] <mwhudson> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:36] <mwhudson>   launchpad-developer-dependencies: Depends: launchpad-dependencies (= 0.57) but 0.56 is installed
[21:36] <mwhudson>                                     Depends: launchpad-database-dependencies (= 0.57) but 0.56 is installed
[21:36] <wgrant> Hm. That's odd.
[21:36] <mwhudson> yes
[21:37] <mwhudson> the 0.58 ones i just built installed fine though...
[21:37] <ajmitch> it is a little odd, since 0.57 seems to install fine on my karmic system
[21:37] <ajmitch> assuming it's still karmic you're talking about :)
[21:38] <mwhudson> yes
[21:38] <mwhudson> i probably buggered up something locally then, good
[21:45] <mwhudson> gary_poster: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/meta-lp-deps/bye-2.4-hello-2.5/+merge/15058
[21:45] <gary_poster> mwhudson: awesome.  on call, will lock after
[21:45] <mwhudson> hooray for proposing at ??:?4:55
[21:58] <thumper> sinzui: ping
[21:58] <sinzui> Hi thumper
[21:59] <thumper> sinzui: are we going to talk today?
[21:59] <thumper> sinzui: I have 30 minutes spare now
[21:59] <gary_poster> mwhudson: we can now use this on hardy because python2.5-support is available there, where python2.4-support was not?  (ISTR python2.4-support was the issue with Hardy)
[22:00] <sinzui> thumper: now is good
[22:02]  * gary_poster is confused, sigh.  http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/python2.5-support doesn't exist.  Maybe in PPA?
[22:03] <wgrant> gary_poster: It's a virtual package
[22:04] <gary_poster> wgrant: ah ok, thank you.  that makes sense
[22:05] <wgrant> gary_poster: eg. if you apt-get install python2.5-support it will tell you that it's choosing python-support instead.
[22:05] <wgrant> Because python-support Provides python2.5-support.
[22:06] <gary_poster> ah, so.  only barely aware of virtual packages, thanks
[22:33] <gary_poster> mwhudson: approved, with note about my question
[22:36] <mwhudson> gary_poster: it's an interesting question
[22:37] <gary_poster> mwhudson, we could ask losa to verify practically, or try it on a ec2 instance
[22:37] <mwhudson> gary_poster: i think python2.5-support is actually part of hardy
[22:37] <mwhudson> so it would be a bit exciting if it couldn't be installed
[22:38] <gary_poster> heh
[22:38] <mwhudson> hm, maybe not
[22:38] <gary_poster> mwhudson: as I said in the review, if you are comfortable then I am.  Otherwise, verifying somehow seems like a good idea before copying over to hardy
[22:40]  * mwhudson is a little confuses
[22:40] <mwhudson> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/python-support is part of hardy
[22:41] <mwhudson> but not python2.x-support
[22:41] <gary_poster> :-(
[22:41] <mwhudson> so maybe we just need to depend on python-support
[22:43] <gary_poster> mwhudson, maybe so,  If it were I, I must admit, I would do what had been done before, maintaining the separate Hardy branch.  Who added the split?
[22:43]  * gary_poster looks at PPA
[22:44] <gary_poster> I think it is gone
[22:44] <gary_poster> My memory is that Francis had made the split in 0.50
[22:44] <gary_poster> He would probably know
[22:45] <mwhudson> i made the split :)
[22:45] <mwhudson> i forget why
[22:46] <gary_poster> heh
[22:46] <mwhudson> it seems nothing on my system depends on python2.x-support
[22:46] <mwhudson> just python-support
[22:46] <mwhudson> i'll see if my package installs on hardy
[22:47] <mwhudson> (on ec2)
[22:47] <gary_poster> ok cool
[22:50] <mwhudson> am i glutton enough to try to build a new ec2 image based on the new canonical-provided hardy ami i wonder...
[22:51] <jml> ec2 test ate my test run
[22:51] <jml> what should I do?
[22:51] <bigjools> philosophise about how it was meant to be
[22:54] <wgrant> mwhudson, gary_poster: Ah, it seems that Hardy's python-support doesn't Provide python2.x-support. Since we're no longer using some awful horribly obsolete removed Python version, it's OK to just depend on python-support.
[22:55] <wgrant> (until Lucid removes python2.5, but we'll see...)
[22:55] <mwhudson> jml: send rude mail to jeff bezos
[22:55] <jml> :(
[22:56] <gary_poster> wgrant, ok cool.  Sounds good to me.  Thank you.  Lucid: the hope is to move to 2.6 then, but as you said, we'll see :-)
[22:57] <wgrant> gary_poster: You can't really move to 2.6 until after Lucid is released.
[22:58] <gary_poster> wgrant, yeah I know. :-)  in some theoretical world we could move to Lucid and Py 2.6 at once.  probably a horrible idea, in addition to being potentially difficult to coordinate
[22:58] <gary_poster> wgrant: well, actually...
[22:59] <gary_poster> supposedly we arranged to have resources to have internally supported 2.6 in Hardy if we had gotten there
[22:59] <gary_poster> Parts already exist
[22:59] <gary_poster> But almost certainly not everything we need
[23:01] <mwhudson> how can i install a .deb file with apt?
[23:01] <mwhudson> (i think that's what i want, i want to install a .deb but meet it's dependencies from the configured archive)
[23:02] <wgrant> mwhudson: You'd have to create a repository.
[23:02] <wgrant> mwhudson: Otherwise, dpkg -i it.
[23:02] <wgrant> Then apt-get -f install.
[23:02] <wgrant> The latter will resolve unmet dependencies.
[23:02] <mwhudson> ah ok
[23:02] <wgrant> Although that doesn't help if it depends on other .debs that you don't have in a repo.
[23:02] <mwhudson> dpkg --fsck-me-harder ?
[23:03] <mwhudson> well yes, that's something i'd like to find out :)
[23:03] <ajmitch> gdebi will install a single .deb & resolve dependencies, I believe
[23:03] <wgrant> True.
[23:03] <mwhudson> --force-depends
[23:03] <mwhudson> ?
[23:03] <wgrant> No. That will install it unthinkingly.
[23:03] <ajmitch> --force-depends is a bit messy, you have to clean up with apt-get -f install afterwards
[23:04] <wgrant> You want to dpkg -i, which will get it half-intsalled.
[23:04] <wgrant> Then apt-get -f install will resolve dependencies, and finish installing the half-installed package.
[23:04] <mwhudson> wgrant: aa
[23:04] <mwhudson> Setting up bzr (1.3.1-1ubuntu0.1) ...
[23:04] <mwhudson> hmm
[23:04] <ajmitch> if you can bear a GUI, use gdebi for it I think
[23:05] <mwhudson> ajmitch: this is ec2
[23:05] <ajmitch> that's what I was worried about
[23:06] <ajmitch> looks like it might have a cli-only mode as well, but if you have it installed now, it doesn't matter :)
[23:06] <mwhudson> hm, launchpad-dependencies nearly installs without the ~launchpad ppa now
[23:07] <mwhudson> (after changing to depend on python-support)
[23:07] <wgrant> It should.
[23:07] <wgrant> What is missing? geoip stuff?
[23:09] <mwhudson> yeah
[23:09] <mwhudson> specific version of psycopg2
[23:09] <mwhudson> python-profiler
[23:09] <ajmitch> it's a shame we can't just ram that into karmic-updates (or hardy-updates)
[23:09] <mwhudson> postgresql-autodoc
[23:10] <ajmitch> are there bits there that are missing from lucid?
[23:10] <mwhudson> i don't know
[23:11] <mwhudson> ajmitch: well python 2.5 is/will be missing from lucid >:)
[23:11] <mwhudson> woo
[23:11] <mwhudson> so my packages install on hardy
[23:11] <ajmitch> from main, anyway, though I understand that you only want to use supported packages :)
[23:12] <ajmitch> just get python2.6 support in LP done quickly :)
[23:13] <gary_poster> It had more issues than we had hoped, but it certainly could be done.  We will have to do some kind of careful dance for this, with the different supports for Hardy and Lucid.  Not having overlapping Python support in concurrent LTS releases is hard.
[23:14]  * mwhudson is so happy to just have 2.5...
[23:14] <ajmitch> because you get new bzr-svn toys?
[23:15] <mwhudson> yes
[23:15] <mwhudson> and well
[23:15] <mwhudson> just feeling less like i'm living in the past
[23:16] <ajmitch> where you live, you'll always be in the future
[23:17] <mwhudson> gary_poster: new diff on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/meta-lp-deps/bye-2.4-hello-2.5/+merge/15058
[23:17] <gary_poster> mwhudson: cool, +1 :-)
[23:17] <mwhudson> gary_poster: but i think i'm going to apply "if it builds and installs it's ok"
[23:18] <gary_poster> +1
[23:19] <mwhudson> wow, something set the commit message automatically from the changelog
[23:24]  * mwhudson wonders what the ppa build queue is like currently...
[23:25] <mwhudson> empty
[23:25] <mwhudson> awesome
[23:31] <lifeless> hey
[23:31] <lifeless> quick doctest help
[23:31] <lifeless> say I had a string "Ran 4 tests in 0.123s"
[23:31] <lifeless> and I don't care about the exact time
[23:31] <lifeless> how would I write a doctest example for that ?
[23:31] <jml> Ran 4 tests in ...s
[23:31] <lifeless> thanks
[23:32] <jml> there's an option you might need to turn on, depending on your test infrastructrue
[23:33] <lifeless> jml: testtools
[23:34] <lifeless> jml: I'm taking an early lunch to finish last nights itch
[23:35]  * jml files https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/485558
[23:35] <mup> Bug #485558: 'SourcePackage' name inconsistent with rest of Soyuz objects <cleanup> <tech-debt> <Soyuz:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/485558>
[23:36] <jml> bigjools, bug 485558
[23:36] <mup> Bug #485558: 'SourcePackage' name inconsistent with rest of Soyuz objects <cleanup> <tech-debt> <Soyuz:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/485558>
[23:37] <bigjools> finally, a bug :)
[23:38]  * lifeless takes a bootstrap shortcut
[23:38] <jml> bigjools, it's a step forward.
[23:39] <bigjools> jml: from the school of JFDI
[23:39] <bigjools> jml: btw it should be a bug on registry
[23:40] <jml> bigjools, we shouldn't have subprojects :P
[23:40] <lifeless> jml: do you need to \\ escape a . that you want to be literally matches ?
[23:40] <lifeless> s/matches/matched/
[23:40] <bigjools> :)
[23:40] <jml> lifeless, don't know, sorry.
[23:41] <mwhudson> lifeless: it's not a regexp at all
[23:41] <mwhudson> lifeless: '...
[23:41] <mwhudson> lifeless: '...' matches an arbitrary amount of stuff
[23:42] <mwhudson> i doubt there's a way to match ... explicitly
[23:45] <jml> you know
[23:46] <jml> I think I'm actually going to use blueprints agian.
[23:46] <bigjools> jml: don't you mean specifications?
[23:46] <jml> bigjools, ha!
[23:47] <wgrant> Features!
[23:47]  * jml has a note that says we should consider how daily builds will interact w/ RSS feeds
[23:47] <jml> but doesn't really know where to put it.
[23:47] <bigjools> oo that's an interesting idea
[23:48] <bigjools> jml: I was going to say to add that to https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+spec/build-from-branch
[23:48] <bigjools> but I think we need another specprint for daily builds
[23:48] <jml> yeah, I was thinking that we could actually benefit a lot from splitting things up
[23:49] <jml> bigjools, would you mind too much if I gardened the spec a bit on Monday?
[23:49] <bigjools> what do you have in mind?
[23:49] <jml> bigjools, looking at it, maybe splitting thing up and making subspecs maybe.
[23:50] <bigjools> yeah sure
[23:50] <bigjools> it does seem to have grown
[23:50] <jml> I want to start dumping thoughts on the UI, and there'll be quite a few flows.
[23:50] <bigjools> ui needs a separate blueification I reckon
[23:51] <jml> yeah
[23:51] <jml> I'll faceprint that on Monday
[23:51] <bigjools> better than facepalming it I suppose


[01:03] <rick_h> anyone have the amazon downloader working in ubuntu these days?
[01:54] <snap-l> rick_h: I've used Banshee as an Amazon Downloader
[01:54] <snap-l> seems to work OK
[14:01] <snap-l> G'morning
[14:27]  * mydogsnameisrudy is thankful for a sunny day ...
[14:42] <rick_h> party
[14:43] <rick_h> _stink_: moving to a big boy bed...how many times you think he'll fall out in the next week? lol
[14:53] <snap-l> rick_h: Nah, he'll be fine
[14:53]  * snap-l is filling out paper taxes
[14:56] <rick_h> ugh trying to block out tax stuff
[14:58] <greg-g> snap-l: I also did my the paper tax way, so old school feeling
[14:58] <snap-l> WEll, I did it via Tax Act
[14:58] <snap-l> can't do it competely off the grid
[14:58] <snap-l> but I totally print my forms.
[14:59] <snap-l> What the heck
[14:59] <snap-l> Didn't 12.04 have a way to resize the launcher?
[15:00] <greg-g> I'm one of those freaks who thinks it should be straight-forward enough for anyone to do their legally required* duty to file their taxes without the help of a 3rd party (paid or unpaid) service
[15:00] <rick_h> yea, in the appearance controls
[15:00] <rick_h> there'sa second tab which has the autohide behavior and size controls
[15:00] <snap-l> It's not in the version I just installed.
[15:00] <rick_h> greg-g: heh, should be...but I've had to have help the last several years
[15:01] <rick_h> snap-l: should be, I just did this yesterday with my fresh install
[15:01] <snap-l> Hmmm...
[15:01] <rick_h> you go to settings, appearance, and the second tab I thought
[15:01] <snap-l> Yeah, that's where I went
[15:01] <greg-g> rick_h: from a pro? you have a lot of investments/etc?
[15:01] <rick_h> sec, I'll logout/back into unity
[15:01] <snap-l> it's not there anymore
[15:01] <snap-l> rick_h: Thanks
[15:01] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, wife has some, and the business, and just we're in a killer bracket so trying to help make sure we get everything we can
[15:01] <greg-g> I don't have much other than IRAs and a scottrade account I barely worry about
[15:02] <greg-g> the business? wife in private practice?
[15:02] <rick_h> no, I've got a business I started a while back when I was doing web hosting and site designs for some local places
[15:03] <rick_h> snap-l: doh you're right...wtf
[15:03] <rick_h> I know it was there
[15:03] <snap-l> Yeah, it was there
[15:03] <snap-l> Now I have gigantic fischer-price icons
[15:03] <greg-g> rick_h: ahhhh, I didn't think she was private practice.
[15:03] <rick_h> snap-l: oh it's moved to the first page of appearance
[15:04] <rick_h> not on the second tab, at the bottom under "theme"
[15:04] <greg-g> rick_h: so, still using that business as a tax shelter? ;)
[15:04] <rick_h> greg-g: meh not so much, thus wanting to forget tax season...
[15:04] <greg-g> :)
[15:04] <jrwren> good morning.
[15:04] <rick_h> greg-g: but keeping it valid because at some point I'll use that if I can get bookie/bmark.us into a pay/donate state
[15:05] <jrwren> ha, are you doing taxes today too?
[15:05] <rick_h> 351851
[15:05] <jrwren> lol
[15:05] <rick_h> dammit
[15:05] <greg-g> I remember aaron t. talking about how he had one that always lost money (on purpose) and is "who bought his computers" each year :/
[15:05] <snap-l> jrwren: I did my taxes, just getting them ready for mailing
[15:05] <greg-g> rick_h: ah, rock
[15:05] <jrwren> i'm sitting down to do them.
[15:05] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, I did use it for that when I was 'active'
[15:05] <greg-g> right
[15:05] <jrwren> i'd wait another week, but its kids birthday then :p
[15:06] <snap-l> rick_h: It's not in Beta2.
[15:06] <greg-g> jrwren: heh, I did mine 2 or 3 weeks ago... I have a refund coming :)
[15:06] <snap-l> Hmm...   Even though you'll never see it"
[15:13] <rick_h> oh good grief
[15:13] <greg-g> I'm paraphrasing, of course
[15:13] <snap-l> I want my wife to be a coal miner when I die.
[15:14] <snap-l> (note: no, not really)
[15:14] <greg-g> but, I already have some life insurance from work, which would more than cover funeral+a year of living for Carrie/Rowan
[15:14] <rick_h> yea, our conversation is more "so how many bills do you pay right now?  It takes me about 5 clicks to get to my statements tab
[15:19] <jrwren> :(
[15:20] <jrwren> i wonder teh same about etrade, just based on their quote service. it doesn't show me dividends.
[15:20] <jrwren> i'm a dividend investor. i don't think i'm the only one.
[15:21] <greg-g> yeah, they all suck
[15:21] <greg-g> brb, rowan crying
[15:21] <jrwren> i wonder if they do it on purpose to confuse the layman.
[15:23] <greg-g> I wouldn't put it past them
[15:23] <jrwren> zomg, any idiot that thinks iwndows is easier to use than linux is fucking nuts.
[15:23] <jrwren> i'm just trying to install a printer driver. dell makes this impossible.
[15:24]  * llua eats his nuts
[15:24] <jrwren> what kind of nuts?
[15:24] <llua> winuts.
[15:24] <jrwren> that said, this particular printer has zero linux support. but that is dells fault again.
[15:24] <jrwren> wtf are winuts?
[16:14] <brousch> rick_h: when my kid moved to big boy bed we put a couch cushion on the floor in case he fell. he ended up preferring to sleep on the cushion or under the bed
[16:14] <jrwren> wierd... i find myself, for the first time every saying yes to the $3 to presidential campain on my form 1040.
[16:17]  * mydogsnameisrudy thinks jrwren lost his mind
[16:17] <brousch> mydogsnameisrudy: we all know that. now we're trying to figure out just how lost it is
[16:18] <mydogsnameisrudy> paying to many taxes and he went nuts
[16:19] <mydogsnameisrudy> only one way to fix the goverment, remove them all and start over
[17:00] <jrwren> mydogsnameisrudy: sweet! want to help hutari do just that? ;p
[17:01]  * mydogsnameisrudy gets in a boat sails to a new land
[17:03] <jrwren> lol
[17:05] <mydogsnameisrudy> seems its spelled hutaree
[17:07] <mydogsnameisrudy> you have freedom of speach . just dont say it outloud
[17:22] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2012/04/07/the-best-problems-to-have-link-updates-and-a-heart-felt-thank-you/
[17:58] <greg-g> snap-l: do I need to update my podcast feed for OMC?
[18:05] <rick_h> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CQLFSrfVT8s
[18:05] <rick_h> I bet that would help a ton with the unity folks
[18:24] <snap-l> greg-g: Nope, it should work without any difficulty on your part
[18:36] <greg-g> snap-l: rock.
[18:50] <Blazeix> rick_h: wow, nice
[20:37] <rick_h> jcastro: what's the status of fitbit + linux these days?>
[21:01] <rick_h> ok, starting to dig google music. Spent the last couple of days uploading my old music stuff
[21:38] <brousch> rick_h: i <3 google music
[21:50] <brousch> snap-l: the star wars thing was a frickin zoo
[21:50] <brousch> probably 300 people
[21:50] <rick_h> ouch
[21:50] <_stink_> rick_h: hah, good luck!  let me know how it goes
[21:50] <_stink_> we're getting close to doing that here
[21:50] <brousch> but they had some really good costumes
[21:51] <brousch> vader was like 7ft tall and had a voice-altering thing
[23:58] <snap-l> brousch: WEll, pardon me for underestimating GR crowds
[23:59] <snap-l> I didn't think Star Wars had played on the theaters over there yet. ;)


[09:29] <MCR1> smspillaz: Hi :) Did you already talk to someone to make you a member of ~compiz-team again ?
[09:54] <MCR1> Trevinho: Hi. Are you here ?
[16:47] <FlowRiser> hello :)
[16:49] <FlowRiser> I want to develop a qt/cpp desklet for the default ubuntu desktop. Is it possible to have a qt application take-over the whole desktop space ?