[00:03] <shadeslayer> I have no idea why he has a ui file in there
[00:04] <shadeslayer> crazy people I tell you
[01:02] <ScottK> apachelogger_: What release is the fix you committed for https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296944 included in?
[02:31] <valorie> yay for JontheEchidna!
[02:31] <JontheEchidna> thanks :)
[02:31] <valorie> is quantal alpha really stable enough to use right now?
[02:31] <valorie> I see that Mamarok is already in it
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's probably past the catasrophic failure point
[02:32] <valorie> apachelogger_ told me to install the quantal cmake, so I wonder if just upgrading now makes sense
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> like when dpkg broke before quantal alpha
[02:32] <valorie> maybe I should do a backup first
[02:32] <valorie> I guess that's always wise
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> I ended up removing every package trying to fix dpkg :P
[02:33] <valorie> I'm not always wise
[02:33] <valorie> you are the guy to do that though!
[02:33] <valorie> I'm so happy to see the team getting so much support
[02:33] <valorie> KDE and Kubuntu are gonna rock
[02:39] <valorie> oh, is the datacenter move going to affect the upgrade files?
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> well, just that build times for PPA packages are now upwards of a day
[02:41] <valorie> wowzers
[02:41] <valorie> maybe after the move they will be snappier?
[02:41] <valorie> I assume the sysadmins are doing some improvements as they do the move
[02:42] <JontheEchidna> one can hope ;-)
[02:42] <valorie> sure
[02:42] <valorie> I hang out in the kde sysadmin chan, and they are awesome
[02:42] <valorie> in general, I have the utmost respect for sysadmins
[02:42] <valorie> they are much under-appreciated
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> agreed
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> 2 and a quarter years ago I did some IT interning
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> it can be a bit stressfull
[02:53] <ScottK> I once took a four how maintenance window to do a hard drive change on a system.  I figured it was a 30 minute job, but being cautious, I scheduled more than I needed.
[02:54] <ScottK> I got the whole thing together and discovered that the hard drive controller I had with the disk drives I had, wouldn't work with whatever Linux kernel I had.
[02:55] <ScottK> Fortunately, I had a stack of parts for a new server I was going to build soon.
[02:55] <ScottK> I turned to that, built the new box, installed Ubuntu Server, configured all the services, and had it in operation just before the 4 hour window ended.
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> nice
[02:56] <ScottK> Actually it wasn't supposed to be a new server.  It was supposed to be a new desktop for my wife.
[02:56] <ScottK> Not the most pleasant conversation we've ever had when she got home from work that day.
[02:57] <ScottK> She understood, but wasn't thrilled.
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> my mother doesn't like computer maintenance. she always blames new problems on the previous repair.
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> my dad would set her up with Linux since he hates doing windows maintenance, but she needs proprietary finance apps for accounting stuff she does...
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> there was one time in the late 90's when my dad introduced her to xboing and a jewel-stacking tetris clone on one of the old Redhat releases.
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> She got addicted to those, and as a result dual-booted linux for a whlie
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> (she loves facebook games these days)
[03:18] <valorie> she can always run win in a VM
[03:18] <valorie> for the accounting apps
[03:19] <valorie> ok, should update the netbook so I have a standby computer, do the backups and then the upgrade
[03:19] <valorie> bbiab
[03:37] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: RE: proprietary finance apps - the 2 top ones, Peachtree & Quickbooks, both have web based versions that work just fine with Linux, and are actually better than the client versions
[03:37] <nixternal> i use quickbooks myself, w/o a single windows computer on my network
[03:38] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: it's for a church, the division of which the church belongs to paid one of their kids to make some crappy software in what's probably VB.NET.
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> nepotism + church = bad software
[03:39] <nixternal> hahahahaha, now that sucks
[03:39] <nixternal> figured it was one of the only 2 that are any good
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> otherwise she uses Quickbooks
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> lol
[03:39] <nixternal> i have tried all of the open source ones out there. they don't even compare
[03:40] <nixternal> i would rather be stricken with a lifetime of windows 3.1 than have to use an opensource accounting solution
[03:41] <nixternal> i swear, open source accounting and project management apps are so over engineered it isn't even funny. just google open source project management & have fun. crm is the same as well
[03:42] <JontheEchidna> speaking of windows 3.1, she used Quicken back then on Windows 3.1. Made this memorable beep whenever she would enter something
[03:42] <JontheEchidna> bobeep!
[03:43] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:43] <JontheEchidna> probably used the system bell to do that
[05:22]  * ScottK waves to nixternal .
[06:42] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1038363] Audex Crashes on any attempt to edit rip profiles @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1038363 (by GlassGhost)
[18:10]  * nixternal waves back to ScottK
[19:18] <shadeslayer> d__ed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[19:19] <shadeslayer> I think you shouldn't exceed UserInterfaceFreeze, try and target Feature Freeze though
[19:36] <d__ed> legend, I was shown this before (then promptly forgot)
[20:36] <mparillo> Is it common for companies to block irc ports from work computers? I was able to use http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#kubuntu-devel, but not Quassel.
[21:06] <mparillo> or is it not my company's network, but this item in the freenode FAQ ...
[21:06] <mparillo> Open proxies are blocked because they are often used as gateways to the network for disruptive behavior that is difficult to stop. There is nothing to uniquely identify a proxied user. For VPNs and similar anonymizing services we can (and do) mitigate this by requiring SASL. This allows a user to voluntarily provide a unique identifier that can be used to mitigate abuse if necessary.
[21:18] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1004593] LFE disappears on 5.1, 4.0 has LFE channel, high pitched squeals (bit shifting?), several ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1004593 (by Abraham Mara)
[22:26] <valorie> mparillo: probably best to ask in a freenode staff channel
[22:27] <valorie> you can /msg alis list *freenode* to get a list of chans
[23:01] <mparillo> valorie: TY
[23:18] <gotwig> hey, how can I install kde4 devel libraries?
[23:21] <gotwig> kdelibs5-dev ?
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> gotwig: that will be the most basic ones, yes. What are you trying to build?
[23:23] <gotwig> dragon player 3..
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> ok.I don't know what additional development libraries that will need
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> but if an application is already packaged, you can run "sudo apt-get build-dep packagename"
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> not too much help since dragon3 isn't packaged tho :P
[23:24] <gotwig> even its libraries are not packaged yet.
[23:38] <gotwig> dude, I just need g++ xD


[14:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: ffmpeg2theora ended up being incompatible with ffmpeg 5, no upstream movement since 2016, had to be dropped from kinetic moving foward.
[14:36] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: ok... not sure what that is. Ah  ok, while it does sound useful, is it used by any other SW?
[14:39] <OvenWerks> Does the new ffmpeg perhaps include this functionality already?
[14:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> Not sure, but vorlon tried porting it and it ended up getting stuck in a loop and ultimately he had to abandon it.
[14:43] <OvenWerks> https://ffmpeg.org/general.html#Video-Codecs shows: TheoraEXencoding supported through external library libtheora
[14:44] <OvenWerks> So as long as libtheora is available/working we are fine.
[14:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yep. ffmpeg2theora was just a utility to easily convert, it wasn't 100% necessary anymore anyhow.
[14:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> No rdeps or anything.


[11:58] <Laney> BigWhale: sure there is, installing bad should get you it
[11:58] <Laney> alternatively gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-faad
[12:01] <BigWhale> Laney, it does not. I even tried rebuilding the package and installing those didn't help.
[12:01] <BigWhale> :'(
[12:03] <BigWhale> With some help from jderose we decided that it is probably a typo somewhere in the packaging process. A typo between faac and faad.
[12:04] <BigWhale> there's gstreamer-faac.install file in debian directory, but it seems it is ignored.
[12:10] <Laney> faac is the encoder afaik
[12:11] <Laney> I found a test file on the interwebs and gst-launch-1.0 filesrc location=sample.aac ! faad ! autoaudiosink works on it
[12:11] <Laney> maybe you can share your file and pipeline
[12:11] <BigWhale> wait
[12:11] <BigWhale> faad?
[12:11] <BigWhale> I was using faac
[12:12] <BigWhale> gst-inspect-1.0 faac failed to work...
[12:12] <BigWhale> because there was no libgstfaac.so
[12:12] <Laney> oh you were asking for the encoder eh
[12:14] <BigWhale> ah, faad is decoder and faac is encoder ... *sigh* their naming convention comes close to PHP, random! :>
[12:14] <Laney> faac isn't shipped on purpose, I think for patenty reasons
[12:14] <BigWhale> yeah with 0.10 it was in multiverse package
[12:15] <BigWhale> but for 1.x there is no multiverse package
[12:15] <Laney> indeed
[12:15] <Laney> I suppose someone could make that if they want
[12:15] <Laney> splits like that aren't very fun to maintain though
[12:37] <BigWhale> There has to be a way on how to do this properly.


[12:56] <knome> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-xubuntu.html would be even better if the blueprints were sorted by priority
[12:59] <nigelb> cjohnston: ^
[14:08] <cjohnston> knome: file a bug
[14:09] <knome> cjohnston, against what?
[14:15] <cjohnston> the file a bug link
[14:17] <knome> :o :o
[14:20] <knome> want tags?
[14:22] <knome> cjohnston, ^ ? :)
[16:35] <cjohnston> tags?


[04:58] <hikiko> Hi
[05:21] <pitti> Good morning
[07:18] <jibel> pitti, cyphermox thanks for fixing 1555237
[07:19] <jibel> pitti, now the system should upgrade if I disable the screensaver before upgrade?
[07:19] <jibel> pitti, good morning :)
[09:33] <darkxst> grv
[10:13] <andyrock> monrning
[10:13] <andyrock> *morning
[10:13] <andyrock> XD
[12:05] <pitti> hey jibel
[12:06] <pitti> jibel: I think there's still a d-bus part missing wrt. proper screen saver disabling, but indeed if you do that it should work again
[12:16] <andyrock> tedg: ping
[22:39] <superm1> attente: i'm a little concerned in https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/commit/?h=wip/attente/clean-ubuntu-changes&id=08c02f52c4f5cddbab0c7346abcb7b8ecc334827 and https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/commit/?h=wip/attente/clean-ubuntu-changes&id=f7512b95f98b42d2116a22d88464f56b44df7758 and what they'll actually mean for applying firmware
[22:39] <superm1> updates
[22:39] <superm1> because since gnome-software isn't running in the background, when will the metadata update happen?
[22:40] <superm1> and can they still apply?
[22:40] <superm1> the stuff that hughsie and I were testing on was the stuff on gnome-3.20 without those changes, so just wondering


[00:00] <dreamon> good night. here its 01:59AM .. Thank you all
[00:00] <Bashing-om> dreamon: Do you have a strong interest in how the package manager manages ?
[00:01] <dreamon> yes..
[00:03] <mengesb> Where might I go to discuss bandwidth performance with Ubuntu on a RPi vs Raspberry Pi OS - and to get hints as to where the problem may be ?
[00:03] <Bashing-om> dreamon: Then: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_more_readings_for_the_package_management will relate more than you may want to know :D We be Debian based :)
[00:04] <sarnold> mengesb: depending upon what you're seeing, maybe here, maybe askubuntu, maybe a bug report..
[00:04] <mengesb> Ubuntu 20.04.2 arm64 seems to perform at about 50-67% of Raspberry Pi OS 2021-05-27 which is 32-bit
[00:05] <mengesb> Well I can start here I suppose, then move on to where recommended so that I can supply the right stuff
[00:07] <mengesb> Started off doing tests to ookla (speedtest), noticed peak performance at around 400-600mbps on a 1gbe line, moved to iperf tests, saw similar results from two hosts; changed to Raspberry Pi OS and now seeing line rate speeds at 940Mbit/s (near 1gbe line speed)
[00:07] <mengesb> Using an RPi 4b rev 1.3 8gb
[00:07] <dreamon> Bashing-om, OK. I will dig there.. ;) bye
[00:08] <mengesb> the speedtest cli tool doesn't use disk I/O to transmit, and iperf doesn't back using disk I/O, so it's not a limit of the SD Card
[00:08] <sarnold> hah, you anticipated my question..
[00:08] <mengesb> =)
[00:09] <mengesb> Been poking at Jeff Gerling ; suggested I looked into what Ubuntu's network driver for the broadcom chipset might be
[00:09] <mengesb> and if there might be an issue there
[00:09] <mengesb> The other observation I had was that ping latency to ookla test servers was 2x that of the RPi OS tests... 10ms on Ubuntu; 5ms on RPi OS
[00:10] <mengesb> about the only other potential difference (other than userlands being similar and the 32vs64 bit diff) is the kernel itself... but both being debian variants I would suspect they're very similar
[00:11] <mengesb> Here's some of our exchange: https://github.com/geerlingguy/internet-pi/issues/105
[00:12] <mengesb> I realize the title of that refers to a RPi 3b+, I've since moved on to a 4b
[00:13] <mengesb> Example of one of the best results on Ubuntu to Ookla:
[00:13] <mengesb> Ping: 10.242 ms
[00:13] <mengesb> Download: 558.92 Mbit/s
[00:13] <mengesb> Upload: 488.00 Mbit/s
[00:14] <mengesb> https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/2f7ac3ee-9feb-4243-99c0-e3623e2a49b4 is immediately after i changed to RPi OS
[00:14] <mengesb>     Latency:     4.59 ms   (0.13 ms jitter)
[00:14] <mengesb>    Download:   928.06 Mbps (data used: 741.1 MB)
[00:14] <mengesb>      Upload:   803.41 Mbps (data used: 1.4 GB)
[00:14] <mengesb> Packet Loss:     0.0%
[00:14] <mengesb>  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/2f7ac3ee-9feb-4243-99c0-e3623e2a49b4
[00:15] <mengesb> basically, half the latency, twice the performance
[00:15] <mengesb> to be fair, I haven't tried or looked to see if there was an ARM 32-bit Ubuntu version
[00:17] <mengesb> Ubuntu was imaged using: ubuntu-20.04.2-preinstalled-server-arm64+raspi.img.xz
[00:17] <sarnold> mengesb: so, I've got a few wild guesses.. (a) try booting with kernel command line mitigations=off, maybe there's a processor flaw mitigation that ubuntu has enabled that rpios doesn't have enabled.. (I haven't got a clue if these arm procs even have anything..)
[00:18] <mengesb> hrm; k... let me snag another RPi and I'll give this a shot... (yes, embarassingly, I have SEVERAL)
[00:18] <sarnold> mengesb: (b) maybe check the flow control algorithms in use, grep -i tcp /boot/config-*  -- my rpi3b+ has: CONFIG_DEFAULT_TCP_CONG="cubic"
[00:19] <sarnold> that's awesome though, it makes it easy to make sure your results make sense to test the same thing on several different pieces of hardware, etc
[00:32] <mengesb> sarnold: There's no `tcp` settings in the RPi OS installation. Imaging Ubuntu right now
[00:33] <sarnold> mengesb: do they keep the kernel configs for the running kernel in /proc/config.gz perhaps?
[00:33] <sarnold> (on such a low-memory machine it would be very surprising..)
[00:33] <mengesb> no; the only `c` in `/proc` are `cgroups   cmdline   consoles  cpu/      cpuinfo   crypto`
[00:34] <mengesb> `/boot/config.txt` is generally where
[00:34] <sarnold> I don't think it's even possible to build the kernel without tcp.. maybe that's just an urban legend.. but clearly you've got it, so it's got to be there :)
[00:34] <sarnold> the kernel config is different from the rpi config
[00:35] <sarnold> maybe check the files owned by their kernel packages? maybe they store the config somewhere else
[00:35] <mengesb> http://rpf.io/configtxt
[00:36] <mengesb> # Enable audio (loads snd_bcm2835)
[00:36] <mengesb> dtparam=audio=on
[00:36] <mengesb> # Enable audio (loads snd_bcm2835)
[00:36] <mengesb> dtparam=audio=on
[00:36] <mengesb> [pi4]
[00:36] <mengesb> # Enable DRM VC4 V3D driver on top of the dispmanx display stack
[00:36] <mengesb> dtoverlay=vc4-fkms-v3d
[00:36] <mengesb> max_framebuffers=2
[00:36] <mengesb> [all]
[00:36] <mengesb> dtoverlay=vc4-fkms-v3d
[00:36] <mengesb> gpu_mem=16
[00:36] <sarnold> yeah that's the wrong thing :)
[00:36] <mengesb> those are my only modifications
[00:37] <sarnold> the kernel configs look like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/thGWV8xJkx/
[00:38] <mengesb> i recall that stuff
[00:38] <mengesb> 1 sec
[00:42] <mengesb> hrm...
[00:42] <mengesb> they're escaping me
[00:46] <mengesb> hrm; no such thing on rpi os
[00:48] <mengesb> booting RPi with Ubuntu 20.04.2 ... cloud-init will take it a second
[00:52] <mengesb> Looks like Ubuntu 20.04.2 needs a ca certificates update ... cloud init failures due to SSL certs
[00:54] <sarnold> ow. last I saw the plan for 20.04.3 was for mid-august https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule
[00:58] <mengesb> =/  ugh.. have to reflash
[00:59] <mengesb> setting a password this time... it's failing to sync ssh keys from lp and gh (ssl issues)
[00:59] <mengesb> fun times
[01:06] <mengesb> Round 2
[01:08] <mengesb> this is looking much better
[01:10] <sarnold> mengesb: I'm headed out for the night :)
[01:12] <mengesb> awww k
[01:12] <mengesb> thx for the hints thus far
[01:32] <mijora1> l;man full disk encryption i set at installation really use alot of CPU on a busy server.  have never seen that with other OS's, only on ubuntu?
[01:37] <mengesb> https://gist.github.com/mengesb/d1f567dc0093f6cbe6ea50a6ce76fa42#file-ubuntu-20-04-02-config-5-4-0-1038
[02:15] <bancroft> i'm on ubuntu 18, trying to compile something using the ghostscript library. I'm trying to use -lcups but I keep getting cupsRasterWritePixels is undefined and other linker problems (same with X11). I got the source using apt-get source ghostscript and I got the deps using apt-get build-dep ghostscript so I don't know why i'm not getting the right versions?
[03:15] <Guest63> Hi y'all. I'm back from earlier (the guy who's trying to rescue some files). I found some discrepancy between df -h /home/$USER and the output of gddrescue. Is it because I used --sparse with ddrescue?
[03:17] <Guest63> If I run ls -lah from /home/$USER it says my sbd1.img from ddrescue is 466G, however, when I run df -h /home/$USER it returns "/dev/sda6 441G 187G 231G 45% /home"
[03:17] <Guest63> How is it possible for a 466G file to be in /home when /home is 441G?
[03:17] <Guest63> Or even worse, how come /home is only 45% used? lol
[03:18] <Guest63> Once again, is it because of the sparse file deal? How do I know its true size?
[03:25] <Guest63> I'll have to run but I'll check the logs in case anyone answers
[04:22] <NARUMI> hello
[04:22] <NARUMI> tolol
[04:49] <alkisg> Guest63: echo $((444*1024*1024)) => 465567744. The 444 is "Gibibytes"=GiB=1024*1024*1024, while the 466 is "Gigabytes"=GB=1000*1000*1000
[05:26] <fling> How to fix hostname in PS1 being cut to the first '.' symbol?
[05:27] <fling> test.example shown just as 'test'
[05:31] <BoomCPU> hello, I have Ubuntu 8.10 installed in my PC, Now I want to find Is PyCharm or Other Python IDE have versions for Ubuntu 8.10?
[05:32] <BoomCPU> PS: I know there are IDEs Preinstalled in my PC, but the UI is not very charming...
[05:34] <BoomCPU> Can anyone help?
[05:35] <BoomCPU> OR isthere a software directory find the latest supported software versions for a specific Ubuntu version?
[05:35] <BoomCPU> ???
[05:35] <_moep_> BoomCPU: 8.10 or 18.10?
[05:35] <BoomCPU> 8.10
[05:36] <BoomCPU> _moep_ ?
[05:36] <_moep_> BoomCPU: hm thats very old
[05:36] <_moep_> and not supported any more
[05:36] <BoomCPU> Ok.
[05:37] <BoomCPU> I am not asking about support...
[05:37] <BoomCPU> I want to find supported software versions Of a python IDE for 8.10.
[05:37] <BoomCPU> _moep_ ok?
[05:38] <_moep_> ah ok
[05:38] <BoomCPU> so can you recommend me a software directory or something like that? _moep_
[05:39] <BoomCPU> :]
[05:39] <_moep_> not rly. sry
[05:40] <Kon> BoomCPU: web-based IDE https://replit.com/
[05:41] <BoomCPU> @kon will it open in a 64mb ram?
[05:41] <BoomCPU> on firefox?
[05:41] <Kon> I doubt Firefox will open a blank page
[05:41] <BoomCPU> yea
[05:42] <BoomCPU> Will the old firefox support the rich UI in replit.com Kon
[05:42] <BoomCPU> _moep_ ok ok
[05:42] <Kon> Go ahead and try it
[05:42] <BoomCPU> @kon ok
[05:43] <BoomCPU> im now o my windows PC (office)
[05:43] <BoomCPU> lol
[05:44] <BoomCPU> Kon Multiplayer collaboration
[05:44] <BoomCPU> 500MB of storage
[05:44] <BoomCPU> 500MB of memory
[05:44] <BoomCPU> 0.2 - 0.5 vCPUs
[05:44] <BoomCPU> those are the free features Kon
[05:44] <BoomCPU> It seems to work....
[05:44] <BoomCPU> jumping to docs on replit....
[05:45] <_moep_> how is it possible to control permissions for snap? only users with sudo should be allowed to install new snap image
[06:02] <BoomCPU> FOSS for all (lol)
[06:02] <b0nn> hiall, I'm trying to install ubuntu onto a dell laptop; I went with the defaults, but now the laptop does not appear able to 'see' the hard drives, any ideas?
[06:03] <BoomCPU> b0nn well dell is very hard with linux, anyway i donot know the answer...
[06:05] <Croran> b0nn: which version of ubuntu and what model laptop and drive?
[06:06] <b0nn> current ubuntu (downloaded it last night)
[06:07] <b0nn> dell xps 15
[06:07] <Croran> current or current LTS?
[06:07] <b0nn> current
[06:08] <Croran> ok and you know there are Dell XPS models from 2012, you'll have to be a little more specific
[06:09] <b0nn> Yes, if the box had more information I would type it out
[06:09] <Croran> XPS 13 9305 maybe?
[06:09] <BoomCPU> serial number?
[06:09] <b0nn> Notebook 9500
[06:09] <Croran> ok that's the 15 right?
[06:09] <BoomCPU> b0nn enter the serial number to dell.com
[06:09] <b0nn> i7-10750H Intel CPU
[06:09] <b0nn> yes 15
[06:09] <BoomCPU> easy a*
[06:10] <Croran> great. and do you know which model the disk is? looks like it's nvme of some type.
[06:10] <b0nn> gparted has it as nvme0n1
[06:11] <Croran> b0nn: oh, so it does see the hard drives
[06:11] <Croran> b0nn: what does lspci list it as?
[06:11] <b0nn> well, the ubuntu can when I run it from the sd card
[06:11] <b0nn> but the laptop cannot when I go to boot
[06:12] <BoomCPU> https://www.google.com/search?q=nvme+linux+issues
[06:12] <Croran> so... ubuntu installs fine, but won't boot from the disk?
[06:12] <b0nn> I'm going to assume that we all ignore BoomCPU
[06:12] <Croran> or the installer doesn't see it?
[06:12] <b0nn> Well, the install isn't.. fine
[06:12] <b0nn> the installer crashes
[06:12] <BoomCPU> too good to relate? https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000132047/how-to-resolve-an-pcie-nvme-m-2-ssd-ubuntu-kubuntu-installation-problem-on-your-dell-pc#:~:text=How%20to%20resolve%20an%20PCIe%20NVMe%20M.2%20SSD%20Ubuntu/Kubuntu%20installation%20problem%20on%20your%20Dell%20personal%20computer
[06:12] <Croran> ok. were you able to run lspci?
[06:14] <BoomCPU> well b0nn i just posted a link... why are you so angry
[06:14] <b0nn> https://bpa.st/GARA
[06:14] <Croran> b0nn: great. it's the toshiba xg6
[06:14] <Croran> at the end
[06:15] <b0nn> ok
[06:15] <Croran> does the installer give an error message when it crashes?
[06:16] <b0nn> The installer has partitioned the drive such that I have a 512MB fat32 efi partition, and a 476.66 ext4 partition
[06:16] <b0nn> hrm, I get two errors, depending on how the installer is launched
[06:17] <b0nn> one is ubi-partman failed with exit code 10
[06:17] <b0nn> I don't have the other one to hand
[06:17] <BoomCPU> well #ubuntu is toooooo technical and cmd for me bye
[06:20] <Croran> b0nn: apparently the ubi-partman thing has been solved by some people by doing a manual partition
[06:20] <b0nn> yeah, that's why I have gparted up
[06:20] <Croran> b0nn: clicking 'try ubuntu' instead of install, and then installing gparted from the software store and manually creating your efi partition
[06:21] <b0nn> what I don't know is.. should I make the ext4 partition / ?
[06:21] <b0nn> or the efi partition?
[06:21] <ThinkT510> ext4 needs to be /
[06:22] <b0nn> when I launch the installer I do not get given an opportunity to select partitions
[06:22] <Croran> b0nn: also, there are some saying that there may be a relevant firmware update for your SSD
[06:23] <b0nn> it goes straight from "Normal installation" with "Other options" to "TZ" to "Installing"
[06:24] <webchat54> WWW.UBUNTU.COM says no Internet connection and a bird
[06:24] <webchat54> HELP ME
[06:25] <b0nn> Croran: How would I upgrade the firmware?
[06:27] <Croran> webchat54: a bird?
[06:29] <Croran> b0nn: looks like the firmware update is from 2019... i bet yours already has it
[06:29] <Croran> b0nn: i think it worth trying the manual partition though
[06:29] <Croran> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1032905/ubi-partman-failed-with-exit-code-10-ubuntu-18-04
[06:30] <Croran> b0nn: also, maybe give LTS a shot.
[06:30] <Croran> and if you remember the second error, that could be relevant too.
[06:32] <b0nn> The installer encountered an error copying files to the hard disk: [Errno 5] Input/output error This is often due to a faulty CD/DVD disk or drive, or a faulty hard disk.
[06:32] <b0nn> Then Installer crash
[06:32] <Croran> b0nn: ok. that seems consistent with it having failed partitioning.
[06:32] <b0nn> Then boot to "Try Ubuntu"
[06:34] <b0nn> It's saying that a previous install exists
[06:34] <b0nn> but.. it won't boot to that install
[06:35] <b0nn> I think I will go for a 30 minute walk to calm my nerves
[06:36] <Croran> b0nn: always a good idea
[06:37] <guiverc> b0nn, IO errors on the CD/DVD imply to me you've faulty installation media, did you check the ISO & write to your installation media?
[06:46] <mort> I don't understand why Ubuntu Software registers itself as the default application for debs but then just says "Failed to install file: File not supported" if you open a deb in it
[06:47] <mort> kind of makes Ubuntu just seem like a broken system, no?
[07:10] <pikapika> Can you escape to a shell during an ubuntu or xubuntu installation? How do you do that?
[07:11] <pikapika> for example if you prefer setting up file systems using your preferred tools instead the gui etc
[07:11] <cbreak> switch to a different TTY, by finding the right combination of alt, ctrl, shift and F2?
[07:11] <cbreak> (which I always forget)
[07:11] <pikapika> cbreak, is it a "supported" method or is it hacky
[07:12] <pikapika> I think its ctrl+alt+fn for me
[07:12] <cbreak> quite hacky.
[07:12] <pikapika> cbreak, then how about the ubuntu server edition
[07:12] <pikapika> does it provide an escape to shell
[07:12] <cbreak> but if you want to set up your own FS, just start in live-usb mode
[07:12] <cbreak> prepare the target in there
[07:12] <pikapika> yeah that was just an example
[07:12] <cbreak> then install without formating
[07:12] <pikapika> for an fs really I could just prepare it beforehand
[07:12] <pikapika> using any live usb
[07:12] <pikapika> ubuntu or not
[07:12] <pikapika> But like
[07:13] <pikapika> in case I want to drop to shell for any reason during the setup
[07:13] <pikapika> esp with regard to errors
[07:13] <cbreak> switching to an other tty should work.
[07:13] <pikapika> I see
[07:13] <pikapika> And what about ubuntu server
[07:13] <pikapika> does it allow you to drop to shell during the setup
[07:13] <pikapika> I might install a desktop via the server image if it works
[07:13] <cbreak> it should work there too.
[07:13] <b0nn> guiverc: I had considered that, but thought that being able to boot from that image to install meant that any defects could be detected and new software downloaded
[07:14] <pikapika> Its mainly for the purposes of having a proper "debugging environment" in case of any errors, cbreak
[07:16] <b0nn> So, I left the installer running before I went out, and it's still running (about 40 minutes) with the shell attached saying that the last message was "NetworkManager-dispatcher.service: Succedded.
[07:16] <b0nn> How much longer should I leave it running?
[07:16] <pikapika> cbreak, what are the reasons you had to do this?
[07:17] <pikapika> if I may ask
[07:18] <b0nn> oh, cron just sent a message run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly
[07:18] <alkisg> b0nn: can you do a summary? You're trying to install, and you got disk write errors, and you leave it in case it finishes?
[07:19] <b0nn> So, I'
[07:19] <pikapika> It seems the server installer actually provides an official means to go to a shell any time needed: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/general
[07:19] <b0nn> I've been trying to install ubuntu onto an XPS-15 (9500) - when I reboot the bios cannot see the disk, and a beep occurs, but not able to boot into Ubuntu
[07:20] <alkisg> Maybe you're installing in BIOS mode, and it requires UEFI?
[07:20] <b0nn> So I am trying to figure out what the problem is, the install, the computer, the settings
[07:20] <alkisg> Currently are you booted via live CD?
[07:20] <b0nn> yes
[07:21] <alkisg> ls /sys/firmware/efi/
[07:21] <alkisg> config_table  efivars  fw_platform_size  fw_vendor  runtime  runtime-map  systab  vars
[07:21] <alkisg> If you run that ls command, do you see these files there?
[07:21] <alkisg> That would mean you're in UEFI mode
[07:22] <b0nn> yes, all those files/dirs are there
[07:22] <alkisg> Can you also pastebin the disk layout? sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:23] <b0nn> https://termbin.com/j8knc
[07:24] <alkisg> When you're rebooting, you remove the SD card, right?
[07:24] <b0nn> yes
[07:25] <pikapika> Where does the installer keep logs?
[07:25] <pikapika> Is the 'debootstrap' method still supported?
[07:25] <alkisg> b0nn:  Well things look good. So when the PC boots, what does it show, just a black screen and a beep sound? Do you see anything related to grub or ubuntu at all?
[07:25] <alkisg> pikapika: sure debootstrap still works
[07:25] <b0nn> I'll reboot for an accurate answer
[07:26] <cbreak> pikapika: do what? switch to an other tty?
[07:26] <cbreak> just looking at what it's doing
[07:26] <alkisg> b0nn: if at all possible, get a video with your phone, it may help
[07:26] <b0nn> Please remove the install media.. done
[07:27] <alkisg> b0nn: that's the message you see when you try to boot the installed ubuntu?!
[07:27] <alkisg> I think it's just the live cd shutdown message
[07:27] <pikapika> cbreak, I see
[07:27] <alkisg> Remove the sd card and reboot to see the boot message
[07:27] <pikapika> My main reasons really are from fear what to do when installation faces some problems
[07:27] <b0nn> no vide; so, Dell splash, beep, reboot, splash, beep, bios "No bootable devices found"
[07:28] <pikapika> b0nn, is it a hard disk or ssd
[07:28] <alkisg> Can you select the UEFI boot manager with F12 or a similar key?
[07:28] <cbreak> efi or legacy bios?
[07:28] <b0nn> ssd I think
[07:29] <b0nn> IN BIOS, NO uefi bOOT dEVICES LISTED
[07:30] <alkisg> b0nn: then maybe you need an UEFI firmware upgrade to boot from your NVME disk? Did you check for BIOS updates?
[07:30] <alkisg> Did you have an OS in that disk in the past?
[07:31] <b0nn> I did, but it got wiped a few hours ago
[07:32] <alkisg> OK so maybe the problem is that the installation wasn't finished successfully and grub was not installed
[07:32] <alkisg> Did you see any error messages while installing?
[07:32] <b0nn> hmm, yes I have already posted them in the channel
[07:33] <alkisg> Yeah I haven't read all the history, that's why I asked if you could give a summary. So if the installation wasn't successful, that would be the thing to fix
[07:33] <alkisg> I.e. reinstall, and do it successfully, instead of trying to revive a possibly broken installation
[07:34] <b0nn> Several (about 6) attempts at installation
[07:34] <alkisg> And what was the error message?
[07:34] <b0nn> 16:32 < b0nn> The installer encountered an error copying files to the hard disk: [Errno 5] Input/output error This is often due to a faulty CD/DVD disk or drive, or a faulty hard disk.
[07:35] <alkisg> At that point, type `dmesg` to see which device it's talking about
[07:35] <alkisg> If it's your internal ssd/nvme disk, then you need to replace it
[07:35] <alkisg> If it's the SD card, then you need to replace that one
[07:35] <b0nn> \16:17 < b0nn> one is ubi-partman failed with exit code 10
[07:36] <alkisg> The input/output error is the important one
[07:36] <b0nn> yeah I think it's my SD Card
[07:36] <alkisg> It means that either the SD card or your disk are worn out and need to be replaced
[07:36] <alkisg> Run dmesg to see which one it is
[07:36] <b0nn> But I cannot figure out if it's corrupted or not
[07:36] <alkisg> Run dmesg to figure it out
[07:39] <b0nn> https://termbin.com/5pxf
[07:40] <alkisg> After you see the input/output error message, not right after reboot
[07:40] <b0nn> lol
[07:41] <b0nn> the io error happens when I rune the first installer so I willl need to reboot again
[07:41] <alkisg> Reboot, go to "try ubuntu"
[07:41] <alkisg> This will allow you to install AND have a terminal
[07:41] <alkisg> When the installer fails, run dmesg in the terminal
[07:42] <b0nn> Oh, I was /in/the "Try ubuntu"
[07:44] <alkisg> OK, run the installer from there, from "try ubuntu"
[07:45] <alkisg> Btw, when the live cd boots (or the sd card), it's supposed to do a disk check, so if it passes that one, then most probably the SSD disk is to blame
[07:45] <b0nn> new error
[07:46] <b0nn> No EFI System Partition was found
[07:46] <b0nn> clicking go back takes me to gparted
[07:47] <b0nn> which shows /dev/nvme0n1p1 fat32 /boot/efi
[07:47] <alkisg> By "gparted" you mean the installer?
[07:48] <alkisg> gparted is a separate program that you would run manually from the menu
[07:48] <b0nn> Which device should I select for boot loader installation
[07:48] <b0nn> yes, gparted is what I have been dropped into
[07:48] <alkisg> Your nvme disk, /dev/nvme0n1
[07:48] <b0nn> or something that looks very much like it
[07:48] <alkisg> Ubuntu doesn't load gparted on installation
[07:48] <alkisg> I think you're talking about the partition selection dialog
[07:49] <b0nn> the "continue" button refuses to become active
[07:49] <EriC^^> b0nn: can you take a screenshot and paste it somewhere?
[07:50] <b0nn> how
[07:50] <EriC^^> b0nn: try pressing prtsc
[07:52] <b0nn> imgur.com/a/zN8idBy
[07:54] <EriC^^> b0nn: click on the fat32 /boot/efi partition and choose type "efi" instead of fat32
[07:54] <alkisg> b0nn: go back a step, and select "erase all disk and install ubuntu"
[07:54] <alkisg> There's no need to be confused with the existing, broken installation, and with the wrong boot loader (partition2) menu item there
[07:54] <EriC^^> b0nn: also, for device for bootloader installation choose /dev/nvme0n1
[07:55] <EriC^^> b0nn: if you want a fresh installation choose "format" next to the lowermost ext4 partition
[07:55] <EriC^^> might as well format the efi partition too
[07:55] <b0nn> https://termbin.com/eb60c
[07:57] <alkisg> [  787.921063] SQUASHFS error: Unable to read fragment cache entry [ae3533a]
[07:57] <alkisg> b0nn: when you boot with the SD card, do you see a "check disk" message?
[07:57] <alkisg> Where it checks the SD card contents?
[07:57] <b0nn> No
[07:58] <alkisg> What's the output of this command now? cat /proc/cmdline
[07:58] <alkisg> And, how did you create the SD card with the live cd contents?
[07:59] <b0nn> https://termbin.com/pqp1
[08:00] <b0nn> WRT SDCard creation, as per the instructions on some ubuntu page (was a couple of days ago)
[08:01] <alkisg> EriC^^: are you aware of any tool that would result in this sd card layout? (gpt etc): https://termbin.com/j8knc
[08:01] <alkisg> b0nn: I would re-create the SD card by using plain dd if=ubuntu.iso of=sdcard
[08:01] <EriC^^> nope
[09:16] <acresearch> people, i am trying to install dssp v 3.0   apt install dssp (seems only v 4.0 available)  but v 4.0 is a broken package, has a bug since 2020 rendering unusable (from their git issues),,, how can i find v 3.0 and install it (i know that it works)?   i am on ubuntu 21
[09:20] <quadrat> hey I just installed 21.04, and have issues getting mesa-vulkan-drivers:i386, as dependencies can't be installed. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Fc8vyTwTpW/
[09:38] <quadrat> hm seems like there is really something broken https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VGqT69XWbN/
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> you have external ppa's added on your system quadrat ?
[09:38] <quadrat> lotuspsychje no none, as it's a new system
[09:39] <quadrat> oO i have pinned packages
[09:39] <quadrat> i just installed the system an hour ago
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> that could be a bug indeed then, just doublecheck your sources.list anyway
[09:40] <quadrat> lotuspsychje here is apt policy https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3kRpbGHRZz/ and for whatever reason I have pinned packages
[09:40] <b0nn> if I boot to a live cd(sd card) is it possible to run an installer that's on a different device (USB)
[09:40] <quadrat> how would i remove those, as I never pinned those
[09:41] <quadrat> ahh there are phased packages, i guess that's why I have pins?
[10:01] <m1dnight> Hi all. I recently bought a bluetooth keyboard (keychron k6) and a bluetooth dongle (sabrent bt4). When my pc goes to sleep it takes about 30-40 seconds before the bluetooth dongle/process is activated, and I can type my password.
[10:04] <acresearch> people, i am trying to instal dssp of an older version from apt, how can i find an older version? it seems only the latest is provided, is there way to find it and install it?
[10:06] <quadrat> acresearch you can't as hirsute only has 4.0
[10:06] <quadrat> you would need to find a different source
[10:07] <Maxii> Hi, I recently installed Ubuntu 20.04 on an Ideapad Y700 I5-ISK, and it is making the fan run constantly at full speed. I have tried installing tlp, which did nothing, then I ran fwts fan and got: Test fan status. 25 failed /n Load system, check CPU fan status. 30 failed. Does anyone know a way to fix this?
[10:08] <acresearch> quadrat: what other sources should i look into?
[10:10] <quadrat> acresearch i'm not sure, as everything below hirsute has 3.0, but i wouldn't recommend installing it from the older releases
[10:10] <acresearch> quadrat: i am sorry, what do you mean? hirsute?  is it a repo like apt?
[10:11] <acresearch> quadrat: i am looking for dssp version 3.0 by the way
[10:11] <quadrat> Maxii did you check that the uefi/bios/firmware is on the newest release. as lenovo doesn't support linux on non-thinkpads, you would need to check that at least everything is as new as possible
[10:11] <quadrat> hirsute is the release name for 21.04 (which you probably have installed)
[10:11] <quadrat> acresearch ^
[10:12] <Maxii> quadrat yes, my bios is up to date, i updated it a week ago
[10:13] <quadrat> Maxii did you check with fancontrol?
[10:13] <Maxii> How do I do that?
[10:13] <acresearch> quadrat: hirsute: command not found
[10:14] <quadrat> acresearch as I said, hirsute is just another name for Ubuntu 21.04
[10:14] <acresearch> quadrat: ah
[10:14] <quadrat> Maxii the program is in the repos, so you would need to install it to check if you _can_ control the fan with it
[10:14] <acresearch> quadrat: i am sorry, then where is version 3.0 of dssp? i am confused, i canno find it in apt
[10:16] <Maxii> quadrat ok, i will try that, but i recently had 18.04 running on this laptop without such fan issues and Windows 10 dual booted doesn't seem to have a problem with the fans
[10:17] <quadrat> Maxii so it sounds like it's a bug, did you check if maybe a different kernel helps?
[10:17] <quadrat> acresearch it seems it's not that easy to fetch 3.0 as the homepage for 3.0 is not online anymore
[10:18] <Maxii> I tried fancontrol, it says "Error: Can't read configuration file /etc/fancontrol
[10:19] <Maxii> i'm not sure how i can check a different kernel version
[10:20] <quadrat> Maxii when booting, you can press esc at the ubuntu screen when it first shows up, that should show you a table of different boot options, there should be one called advanced options [...] entering that should give you more kernel options when you have others installed (when you had ubuntu installed for a while, there should be 2-3)
[10:21] <quadrat> Maxii for fancontrol, you can use pwmconfig to generate a config, (it will test if it can control the fan (tries to turn it off for 5 sec))
[10:23] <Maxii> Ok so, i have 5.8.0-59 and 5.8.0-43 (i haven't had this for a while, installed this to laptop 2 days ago), I guess it's usually loading <IP_ADDRESS> so I'll try with 5.8.0-43
[10:24] <quadrat> yes correct assumption, hope it works Maxii
[10:28] <Maxii> Ok, using 5.8.0-43 didn't do anything, and I tried fancontrol pwmconfig and it still just says "Can't read configuration file"
[10:28] <Maxii> Do I need to use it with sudo?
[10:29] <GoldenEye> After several decades, at last I use IRC again. Hello Ubuntu! Hello Gnome!
[10:33] <quadrat> Maxii yes
[10:33] <quadrat> hey GoldenEye, welcome to the dark side :)
[10:35] <Maxii> quadrat it says there are no pwn-capable sensor modules installed
[10:36] <quadrat> Maxii okay thought that it maybe could get it running :/
[10:37] <quadrat> Maxii sorry then I am out of ideas
[10:38] <Maxii> its ok, thanks for trying
[10:39] <quadrat> Maxii you could still look maybe in the journal to see if we can find something. but pretty sure there shouldn't be too much, as fans are operated normally by the uefi/bios/firmware
[10:46] <b0nn> so, I got ubuntu installed (I went and bought a new USB stick)
[10:47] <b0nn> But I'm still having problems - the install works, then boots straight after removing the install media, but then it wont reboot ever again
[10:47] <b0nn> just a flashing cursor top left of the screen
[10:48] <Maxii> quadrat i just tried booting to the usb which i used to isntall 20.04, and it doesnt have the fans running at full speed
[10:49] <quadrat> Maxii huh interesting. now we have to figure out what's going wrong, so maybe the journal does spit something out about the fan
[10:49] <Maxii> what is this journal, i don't know?
[10:50] <quadrat> journal = log
[10:55] <Maxii> quadrat where do I access/see this and what do I lok for?
[10:55] <Maxii> *look
[10:57] <root__> Hallo
[10:57] <b0nn> ok, have got a term, apparently the gdm3 hasn't started
[10:57] <quadrat> Maxii "sudo journalctl -b" that gives you everything that happened this boot
[10:59] <Maxii> ok, I'll try upload to termbin the journal of the boot to the usb, and the boot to the installed version
[11:00] <Maxii> I hope there's no personal data in it
[11:00] <quadrat> Maxii sorry but I have to leave, hope you can find somebody else who can help you.
[11:01] <Maxii> ok
[11:02] <ledeni[m]> Maxii: try to install lm-sensors and run  'watch -n 1  sensors' to se temp of your cpu's
[11:02] <Maxii> ledeni[m] ok, i will try this, but i think i had that installed and it couldn't access them or something, i'll just check again
[11:06] <Maxii> does sudo jounalctl -b leak any personal info if i upload to termbin?
[11:19] <Maxii> ledeni[m] They're all around 40-50 degrees
[11:19] <ledeni[m]> Maxii: and speed of cpu fan?
[11:21] <Maxii> i just closed it and now it won't re-open the watch command
[11:22] <ledeni[m]> Maxii: run just sensors
[11:22] <Maxii> i can't see anything that says fan speed
[11:23] <ledeni[m]> aha ok
[11:27] <ledeni[m]> Maxii: try to install 'thinkfan'
[11:27] <Maxii> it is an ideapad, not a thinkpad, so how will that work?
[11:27] <Maxii> i mean, im not opposed to trying it, its just, not a thinkpad
[11:28] <Slartiba1t> Guys. I have a laptop with 1 HDMI out and 1 mini-DP out. Before I had 2 monitors with HDMI in, so one of them was connected converting mini-DP -> HDMI. Worked just fine. Now I've got another monitor with mini-DP in, so I'm trying to connect 1 monitor using HDMI and 2 monitors using a DP hub. It works just fine on the dualboot Windows 10, but Ubuntu 20.10 freezes during startup, presumably just before
[11:28] <Slartiba1t> showing the login screen. If I remove the DP hub, running only the HDMI monitor, then Ubuntu boots. But the hub makes it freeze, regardless of whether any monitors are connected to it or not. Anyone experienced this? Should I submit a bug report somewhere?
[11:38] <theMajor> Slartiba1t: how is the DP hub connected?
[11:41] <Slartiba1t> theMajor: The hub has one mini-DP contact and 4 DP ports in the "other end". So it's connected to the laptop using the mini-DP.
[11:42] <theMajor> Slartiba1t: did you check in system settings display if the monitors are available and enabled also what happens if youn connect the hub when already logged in to they show up then.
[11:43] <GoldenEye> msg alis list indieweb
[11:45] <Slartiba1t> theMajor: I think Ubuntu freezes if I connecft the hub while logged in(now). But I'll doublecheck.
[11:46] <theMajor> Slartiba1t: what is the brand of the dp hub and what gpu are your running
[11:49] <varaindemian> I am not able to install vmware tools box. The option under VM -> Reinstall VMware Tools is not available
[11:53] <Slartiba1t> theMajor: Yep, I was right, Ubuntu froze pretty much right away, and I had to power cycle things to get rid of it. The DP hub is https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.deltaco.se%2Fprodukter%2Fdeltaco%2Fkablar-adaptrar%2Fdisplayport%2Fadaptrar%2FDP-911 and the GPU is GTX 1070.
[11:54] <Guest14> Hi y'all. I'm back from earlier (the guy who's trying to rescue some files). I found some discrepancy between df -h /home/$USER and the output of gddrescue. Is it because I used --sparse with ddrescue?
[11:54] <Guest14> If I run ls -lah from /home/$USER it says my sbd1.img from ddrescue is 466G, however, when I run df -h /home/$USER it returns "/dev/sda6 441G 187G 231G 45% /home"
[11:54] <Guest14> How is it possible for a 466G file to be in /home when /home is 441G?
[11:54] <Guest14> Or even worse, how come /home is only 45% used? lol
[11:54] <Guest14> Once again, is it because of the sparse file deal? How do I know its true size?
[11:57] <theMajor> Slartiba1t: maybe needles to ask but you are using an external power adapter for this hub
[11:58] <theMajor> Slartiba1t: also what resolution are you running?
[12:05] <theMajor> Slartiba1t: have you already checked your logs, if the system freezes it should log something about this. if you check your log you can see if it is driver related are hub related
[12:08] <Slartiba1t> theMajor: Yes, the hub uses a separate power adapter. The resolution on both screens are 1920x1080. Haven't checked logs, no. Any log in particular that I should check?
[12:13] <theMajor> Slartiba1t: check dmesg in /var/log/
[12:14] <dijuremo> Hi, I have a question about LACP bonding on Ubuntu 20.04 not working properly. Is this a question  better for the ubuntu-kernel channel?
[12:14] <theMajor> Slartiba1t: also check syslog and if present daemon.log
[12:15] <theMajor> Slartiba1t: but your are in a desktop env so you can use the system log viewer
[12:16] <quantum> I am seeing this crash from tracker-miner-fs, is that anything to worry about, no idea what it is
[12:16] <macc24> when i add libretro ppa for updated retroarch package in focal, why apt still prefers retroarch package from repo rather than ppa?
[12:17] <Slartiba1t> theMajor: Got it. Meeting coming up now, but I'll try to reply here asap later tonight. Thanks for helping this far.
[12:18] <theMajor> Slartiba1t: it is always running things down to a message showing what it misses or needs so you can fix it instead of keeping to try. no worries hope you find and if i am here i will try to help you
[12:44] <goddard> any way to get ubuntu dock to show app windows on hover?
[12:49] <Mekaneck> goddard: dunno, maybe with yet another extension?
[12:59] <t1000> Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Ubuntu "hirsute" 21.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8500Y CPU @ 1.50GHz (1,60GHz) • Memory: Physical: 15,1 GiB Total (12,4 GiB Free) Swap: 2,0 GiB Total (2,0 GiB Free) • Storage: 356,4 GB / 885,2 GB (528,8 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 615 @ Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v6/7th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 17h 36m
[12:59] <t1000>  2s
[13:06] <Mekaneck> t1000: keep in mind this is a Ubuntu Support channel
[13:06] <t1000> ok, thanks
[13:07] <t1000> i'm first time here
[13:07] <Mekaneck> !discuss
[13:07] <goddard> normal you can run something like gsettings range org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock click-action
[13:07] <goddard> to figure out options
[13:07] <Mekaneck> !ot
[13:07] <goddard> what is the ubuntu extension called?
[13:07] <Mekaneck> ubuntu dock
[13:08] <goddard> ya that dont work
[13:08] <goddard> cant have space in the name
[13:08] <goddard> its a command for gnome shell
[13:08] <Mekaneck> search for it online then
[13:09] <goddard> haha
[13:10] <Mekaneck> what's to laugh about, search first THEN ask.  Great you solved it yourself.
[13:15] <goddard> ..
[13:17] <Mekaneck> sorry goddard, not my day. Didn't wnat to offend you.
[13:18] <goddard> no worries
[13:19] <goddard> its gsettings set org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock click-action minimize-or-previews
[13:19] <goddard> although no on hover options i think
[13:19] <Mekaneck> i couldn't find anything myself about the hover options
[13:20] <goddard> it has all the options in the command line
[13:20] <goddard> just hit tab twice
[13:20] <goddard> gsettings set org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock
[13:20] <goddard> with just that
[13:20] <goddard> lists a bunch of stuff
[13:20] <goddard> show-windows-preview
[13:20] <goddard> this maybe?
[13:21] <t2mkn> how can i detect if ISP is blocking or not blocking port 80? local server is running, from local machine and from machines connected to router are able to access the server. from outside i am able to ping the IP, but the contents on port 80 are not accessible. any suggestions ?
[13:22] <goddard> you can open port 80 and setup apache
[13:22] <goddard> sudo apt install apache2
[13:22] <t2mkn> thats already open
[13:23] <goddard> now point your browser to your ip
[13:23] <t2mkn> all done, just need to access from outside. its accessible over local network too
[13:23] <goddard> use your public ip
[13:23] <goddard> what is my ip in search engine
[13:23] <goddard> copy paste ip.address:port
[13:23] <t2mkn> accessable using public IP, but only in local network.
[13:24] <goddard> you gotta use a vpn to test
[13:24] <goddard> you can use hidemyass
[13:24] <t2mkn> ok ok. its done. i forgot to restart my router after the changes to take affect.
[13:25] <t2mkn> thanks any ways
[13:25] <goddard> ok
[13:29] <Sven_vB> On Ubuntu focal I have the problem that xdotool freezes my desktop. seems to be a known bug, and https://stackoverflow.com/q/48038038 suggests I could try change my video driver. How do I find which video drivers are available?
[13:31] <Sven_vB> "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" says "No drivers found for installation."
[13:33] <Sven_vB> the xdotool bug issue seems to be https://github.com/jordansissel/xdotool/issues/281
[14:16] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:33] <goddard> howdy
[14:36] <matsaman> howd
[14:37] <ubbuntiti> red hat become payed?
[14:38] <ubbuntiti> is red hat opensource also?
[14:40] <matsaman> ubbuntiti: yes, yes
[14:42] <goddard> i think its a good move honestly
[14:42] <goddard> would be great if ubuntu was paid then you could get paid support
[14:43] <goddard> now i officially have some one to complain to
[14:43] <dell> hi everyone
[14:43] <goddard> instead of just complaining on here and nothing happening
[14:43] <dell> system settings was unable to find any views, and hence has nothing to display
[14:44] <dell> i cant open settings
[14:46] <goddard> granted people paid for windows and still got treated like garbage
[14:47] <ioria> dell, run 'gnome-control-center' from terminal
[14:48] <euouae> Goddard you can pay for ubuntu support if you want
[14:48] <euouae> It may not be official but you can definitely find paid support
[14:49] <dell> bash: gnome-control-center: command not found
[14:50] <goddard> dell bro your setup is borked
[14:50] <goddard> try reinstalling ubuntu desktop
[14:50] <ioria> dell, type -a gnome-control-center
[14:50] <dell> bash: -a: command not found
[14:51] <ioria> not a good sign
[14:51] <freeman_h> Hi guys, I created a new .ssh key using ssh-gen. In my ubuntu 20 linux server. This created 2 new files called rob_moore and rob_moore.pub. After I added the public key using rob_moore fxcanli.pub >> authorized_keys I ran cat rob_moore I then copy the ssh key to my local machine. However when I try to ssh using the new key i get invalid format
[14:51] <ioria> dell close the terminal and reopen
[14:51] <freeman_h> question is why?
[14:52] <freeman_h> when i use puttygen putty can understand it no issue
[14:52] <goddard> why not ssh-copy-id?
[14:53] <goddard> putty is old and krusty
[14:53] <goddard> do it the linux way not the windows way
[14:54] <freeman_h> goddard, ssh-copy-id will will that copy from the ubuntu server to my windows pc?
[14:54] <goddard> if your windows pc has openssh then ya
[14:55] <goddard> but thats the wrong direction
[14:55] <goddard> you create the key on your windows pc and then do the copy
[14:55] <goddard> windows has ssh now
[14:55] <freeman_h> goddard, so should i generate the key locally and then copy it to the server?
[14:55] <goddard> because they "Love" linux
[14:55] <goddard> ya
[14:55] <freeman_h> goddard, I am using git bash on windows :)
[14:56] <goddard> ahh
[14:56] <goddard> you probably want to go to ubuntu-server channel
[15:01] <alireza> #join
[15:02] <leftyfb> freeman_h: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[15:03] <leftyfb> goddard: https://ubuntu.com/pricing/infra
[15:03] <freeman_h> 20.04
[15:03] <freeman_h> leftyfb,
[15:04] <goddard> leftyfb cool, not really geared towards home users though i imagine
[15:05] <goddard> still 150 and you get support
[15:05] <goddard> thats cool
[15:05] <leftyfb> freeman_h: ok, so you're trying to copy a public ssh key you created on ubuntu 20.04 using openssh's "ssh-keygen" utility to a Windows machine so you can ssh to the Windows machine from Ubuntu?
[15:05] <alireza> Hi everyone.
[15:06] <leftyfb> alireza: hello, is there an ubuntu support issue we can help you with?
[15:06] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-openssh pretty good manual
[15:06] <leftyfb> oerheks: I think the issue is with Windows/git bash and not with ubuntu or the key
[15:07] <leftyfb> also, I think there's a misunderstanding and the keys were created with putty
[15:07] <leftyfb> or that when they used puttygen it worked
[15:07] <oerheks> ah, i read back, he generated keys
[15:08] <matsaman> I found git bash to be pretty obnoxiously Windowsy, and cygwin shell stuff to be less so
[15:08] <freeman_h> leftyfb, no
[15:09] <leftyfb> freeman_h: ok, please explain in detail then
[15:09] <freeman_h> ssh key is created on ubuntu server, i then copy the key to windows and then try to ssh using the new key it does not work
[15:09] <oerheks> after copying keys, restart ssh service?
[15:09] <leftyfb> :/
[15:09] <oerheks> (windows)
[15:09] <freeman_h> the default ssh key i created works find
[15:09] <freeman_h> find*
[15:09] <freeman_h> fine*
[15:09] <leftyfb> freeman_h: ok, so then exactly the situation I described above then
[15:10] <freeman_h> https://www.digitalocean.com/ this is where the ubuntu server is at
[15:10] <freeman_h> leftyfb, no you said this "so you can ssh to the Windows machine from Ubuntu"
[15:10] <leftyfb> freeman_h: ok, so how are you trying to ssh to the Windows machine then?
[15:11] <freeman_h> I am not trying to ssh to windows from ubuntu. I am trying to ssh from windows TO ubuntu
[15:11] <freeman_h> leftyfb, using git bash
[15:11] <goddard> thats what i assume
[15:11] <leftyfb> freeman_h: ok, then the public key goes on Ubuntu in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. Make sure to chmod 0600 ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[15:12] <leftyfb> freeman_h: at this point, I would recommend a test using the private key still on the ubuntu server to ssh back to itself:   ssh -i ~/path/to/rob_moore localhost
[15:12] <freeman_h> I have an ssh key already which i am using and that works fine. the ssh key was added when i usin digital ocean to create the ubuntu server. However I am trying to create another ssh key for my laptop which is the issue
[15:12] <goddard> ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/PUBLIC_KEY.pub -o PreferredAuthentications=password -o PubkeyAuthentication=no -o "IdentityFile ~/.ssh/PRIVATE_KEY" USER_NAME@IP_OR_URL
[15:13] <goddard> login with password to copy it over
[15:13] <goddard> then turn password login off
[15:13] <goddard> thats one way
[15:13] <leftyfb> goddard: you are assuming a linux client, they are using Windows
[15:13] <leftyfb> freeman_h: test on ubuntu ssh'ing to ubuntu first
[15:13] <leftyfb> freeman_h: that is the only thing we can support here. We cannot support git bash
[15:14] <goddard> well this is a Linux support channel
[15:14] <goddard> :D
[15:14] <leftyfb> freeman_h: please test as I mentioned above
[15:15] <freeman_h> leftyfb, so generate the key locally and then copy it to the server
[15:15] <freeman_h> the username and password lol i have to wait 4 weeks for that because our dev team leader is off sick with covid
[15:16] <freeman_h> was trying to avoid moving my full work pc home on a train. thought i could just add the ssh key which i will use on my laptop
[15:16] <freeman_h> when i am working from hom
[15:16] <freeman_h> home*
[15:17] <leftyfb> freeman_h: ok, so now it seems we have another ubuntu machine in the mix. You have a Windows machine that you want to use git bash as an ssh client(don't) and an ubuntu workstation running Ubuntu ? and a server hosted at DI running Ubuntu ?
[15:17] <freeman_h> also we have a new guy starting on monday so lol guess no work for him for 4 weeks
[15:17] <leftyfb> freeman_h: please focus on the problem at hand
[15:18] <leftyfb> freeman_h: please verify the environment we're working with here and the exact use case in detail
[15:18] <freeman_h> leftyfb, in my work place we use windows pc has we are php and python developers here
[15:18] <freeman_h> the linux ubuntu server we use digital ocean to create a ubuntu cloud server
[15:19] <freeman_h> my work pc can ssh into the server using git bash WITHOUT any issue
[15:19] <freeman_h> the problem is how do i add a new ssh key for other people to use on the ubuntu server
[15:19] <freeman_h> git bash is not the issue. windows is not the issue
[15:19] <leftyfb> freeman_h: "linux ubuntu server" running what version of ubuntu?   "my work pc" running what? Windows?   Is there a 2nd machine running ubuntu?
[15:19] <alkisg> Windows 10 comes with preinstalled ssh, no need for git bash at all
[15:20] <freeman_h> 20.04
[15:20] <goddard> alkisg he is just using that to manage his project
[15:20] <freeman_h> alkisg, i use git bash has i use git. good thing about git bash is that i can use linux commands on windows and it works fine :)
[15:20] <freeman_h> goddard, +1
[15:20] <leftyfb> freeman_h: ok, so you have a machine running Windows that you want to use git bash as an ssh client to ssh to an Ubuntu server hosted at DI running Ubuntu 20.04. Correct?
[15:21] <leftyfb> freeman_h: ok, please test, the keypair you created on the Ubuntu 20.04 server hosted at DI to ssh using the private key back to the same server using the command I posted above
[15:22] <freeman_h> leftyfb, yes using a NEW ssh key which I have generated on the ubuntu 20.04 server
[15:22] <freeman_h> leftyfb, okay I will try that now
[15:23] <leftyfb> freeman_h: also, compare the appended public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the ubuntu 20.04 server hosted at DI with the contents of the rob_moore.pub you created on the same machine
[15:24] <freeman_h> leftyfb, that works
[15:24] <freeman_h> on the server i can ssh to itself using the new ssh key
[15:25] <freeman_h> so the issue is not the key or authorised_keys file
[15:25] <leftyfb> freeman_h: ok, so at this point, both the ssh public key, private key and ssh service running on the server are all setup correctly and functional. You issue is 100% how you are utilizing the private ssh and/or git bash on Windows. You'll need to see support from wherever you can get support with git bash or Windows
[15:26] <leftyfb> freeman_h: good luck
[15:26] <freeman_h> leftyfb, when i run cat rob_moore
[15:26] <leftyfb> freeman_h: another alternative would be to use Ubuntu for Windows (WSL2)
[15:26] <freeman_h> and then copy the key from ubuntu to windows. something messes up the format
[15:27] <freeman_h> is they a command for linux to reformat ssh key?
[15:27] <leftyfb> freeman_h: that would probably be the notepad you might be using on Windows that adds carriage returns
[15:27] <leftyfb> freeman_h: the format issue is not on the Ubuntu side. "cat" is as raw as it gets
[15:27] <Slartiba1t> Guys? I'm trying to connect a Displayport hub to an Ubuntu 20.10 laptop. However, it freezes each time. The timestamps in dmesg are tricky to map to a point in time, but I think it shows "kernel: ACPI Warning: \_SB.PCI0.PEG0.PEGP._DSM: Argument #4 type mismatch - Found [Buffer], ACPI requires [Package] (20200528/nsarguments-59)" when things freeze. Syslog has 3 lines: "BUG: kernel NULL pointer
[15:27] <Slartiba1t> dereference, address:<PHONE_NUMBER>000000", "#PF: supervisor write access in kernel mode" and "#PF: error_code(0x0002) - not-present page". (Are they caused by connecting the DP hub?) What should be my next step here?
[15:28] <leftyfb> freeman_h: if you are using notepad, that is the issue. Use wordpad instead
[15:29] <leftyfb> freeman_h: also also, Windows has an ssh client now. No need to use git bash just for an ssh client
[15:34] <freeman_h> leftyfb, same error Load key ".\\id_rsa": invalid format
[15:36] <leftyfb> freeman_h: ok, so if Windows is having an issue with the format of the paste, then I recommend transferring the file, not copy/paste. Maybe use an sftp client to copy the private key from Ubuntu to Windows
[15:36] <freeman_h> going to install filezilla and copy the fiel directly and see what happens
[15:36] <leftyfb> freeman_h: winscp
[15:40] <alkisg> Or plain scp, it's included in win10 :)
[15:40] <alkisg> Or md5sum file, to compare it without transferring
[15:41] <alkisg> (that's included in windows git bash)
[15:43] <freeman_h> leftyfb, with winscp how do i see the .ssh directory?
[15:44] <leftyfb> freeman_h: you'll have to read the documentation for it or use google. I don't use Windows so I can't help with that
[15:44] <leftyfb> freeman_h: in the meantime, you could(SHOULD) move the private key out of that directory on that server anyway
[15:45] <leftyfb> freeman_h: in fact, once you get this all working, the private key should be removed from the server completely
[15:46] <freeman_h> leftyfb, works
[15:46] <freeman_h> so they some some messed up thing about copying it
[15:46] <freeman_h> using that winscp thing, i download the file and it works
[15:47] <leftyfb> freeman_h: that would be a copy/paste issue with Windows and/or whatever applications you were using to copy/paste
[15:49] <freeman_h> thanks all
[18:54] <raub> I am having issues with the kvm packages in 20.04.2 LTS
[18:55] <raub> Jul  6 19:14:24 testbox libvirtd[2604]: Failed to probe capabilities for /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64: internal error: Failed to start QEMU binary /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 for probing: /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64: /usr/lib/libibverbs.so.1: version `IBVERBS_1.8' not found (required by /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64)
[18:56] <raub> This started happening on the last upgrade I've done and so far my searches have not been successful
[18:58] <sarnold> raub: try running debsums -c libibverbs1
[19:00] <TJ-> raub: that's a known bug in qemu 5.1 and there was a fix doing the rounds but it depends on the build config, and also what kernel capabilities the libvirtd is given. Might be worth checking the full service log and possibly the service definition
[19:00] <raub> sarnold: It tells me that debsums: package libibverbs is not installed
[19:01] <raub> TJ-: Will do
[19:01] <TJ-> raub: definition: "systemctl cat libvirtd"
[19:01] <TJ-> raub: if you can share the service log: "pastebinit <( journalctl -b -u libvirtd.service )"
[19:01] <sarnold> raub: ah, go with TJ-'s ideas for now :) it sounds like he's got a better handle on it, hehe
[19:02] <TJ-> there's some discussion of it at https://listman.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2019-April/msg00876.html
[19:03] <TJ-> raub: you're using it on a bare-metal host ?
[19:04] <raub> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zh8PwfBJWz/
[19:10] <TJ-> raub: can you show us "pastebinit <( ls -l /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libibverbs.so* )"
[19:15] <raub> TJ-: I do not have any /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libibverbs.so* files
[19:15] <raub> And this looks odd:
[19:15] <raub> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May  7  2017 /usr/lib/libibverbs.so.1 -> libibverbs.so.1.0.0
[19:16] <TJ-> raub: looks like you've got a leftover from a much older installation
[19:16] <raub> NVM, it is /usr/lib/libibverbs.so.1.0.0
[19:16] <raub> TJ-: Interesting. I wonder why it did not get updated
[19:16] <TJ-> raub: you should be seeing: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9DF3pGwYd4/
[19:18] <TJ-> raub: can you determine what package installed that file? "dpkg -S /usr/lib/libibverbs.so"
[19:19] <raub> (you type faster than me ;) )
[19:19] <raub> libibverbs-dev: /usr/lib/libibverbs.so
[19:19] <TJ-> raub: ok, so that is the dev package but you seem not to have the actual library?
[19:20] <raub> Shouldn't it pull it?
[19:20] <raub> Per https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/libibverbs-dev
[19:21] <TJ-> qemu depends on it but if you don't have the files as I showed in my recent pastebin then either the package is missing or something is broken
[19:21] <raub> Reinstall the dev and see if it pulls the library perhaps?
[19:22] <TJ-> no
[19:22] <TJ-> check if the package is supposed to be installed first; this may be a sign of other breakage so you need to determine that and maybe fix other issues
[19:23] <TJ-> raub: "apt list libibverbs1" should show 'installed,automaitic'
[19:25] <raub> TJ-: I think it is my fault: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H5yXQb9MYz/
[19:26] <raub> Mellanox Connectx3 card crap
[19:26] <TJ-> raub: aha!
[19:26] <TJ-> raub: well it's an easy fix assuming replacing the Mellanox package doesn't break anything else!
[19:26] <raub> Let me undo its damage and then figure out later how to get it to work properly.
[19:27] <TJ-> raub: you could put the Mellanox stuff in a container
[19:27] <raub> I hate badly written concoluted and rather closed source drivers just to get sr-iov to work
[19:27] <raub> I wanted to do sr-iov pci passthrough tests
[19:28] <raub> s/concoluted/convoluted/
[19:31] <raub> But, it makes sense to get that to work in a vm guest first
[19:31] <raub> (which also reminds me of my whoes with AMD GPUs)
[19:42] <soreau> Wayfire PPA - https://launchpad.net/~soreau/+archive/ubuntu/wayfirewm
[19:42] <raub> What a bastard: the mellanox uninstall thingie did not delete that package
[19:43] <soreau> wayfire.org
[19:45] <soreau> a desktop with less bloat but more functionality and effects (compared to gnome and kde)
[19:46] <sarnold> soreau: oh cool :) looks like good progress :D
[19:47] <soreau> sarnold: 👍
[20:13] <ice9> is there a way to give user feedback and suggestions to Canonical about ubuntu?
[20:16] <leftyfb> ice9: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/
[20:27] <burts7358> hello
[20:37] <plujon> I'm using Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.  Today I am noticing some strange flicker on my desktop.
[20:37] <plujon> I see small areas of "static" appear and disappear where the screen is updating.
[20:38] <plujon> Any clues on how I can investigate why this is happening?  This is the second time I have seen this occur.  The last time was about a week ago.
[20:39] <plujon> The last time this occurred, I tried recording my desktop session, but the recording showed none of the strange visual artifacts.
[20:39] <sarnold> oh strange
[20:39] <sarnold> do you have two gpus?
[20:40] <plujon> I notice that the problem occurs with certain events happen.  For example, when I start a new terminal window, the "black" area is checkered white briefly while it opens.
[20:40] <plujon> However, if I drag a terminal window around my desktop, there is no flicker.
[20:40] <oerheks> so, it can be a monitor issue, wonky cable,...
[20:40] <plujon> Or rather, there is much less flicker.
[20:41] <plujon> The monitor is a 24 inch Dell Ultrasharp.
[20:42] <plujon> I did recently add an nvme PCI-e card to the desktop for 2 small M.2 drives.
[20:42] <plujon> The cables seem fine AFAICT.
[20:42] <plujon> I predict that if I reboot the problem will go away, because that's what happened last time.
[20:43] <plujon> That makes me think the problem is not cabling or connections.
[20:44] <plujon> If I change to a new virtual terminal, (Ctrl-Alt-F1), I don't notice any flicker.  But less happens on it, so I don't know if that's a good test.
[20:46] <soreau> plujon: I'd guess a bug in mesa or the window manager/compositor version you're using. Could also be a bug in kernel but perhaps less likely. Which GPU do you have according to `lspci|grep VGA`?
[20:46] <plujon> soreau: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop)
[20:47] <soreau> hm, intel drivers are usually pretty solid
[20:47] <soreau> what window manager/compositor?
[20:47] <plujon> soreau: I also suspect a bug in the window manager / compositor.
[20:47] <soreau> mutter?
[20:47] <plujon> The default: Gnome 3, I think..?
[20:47] <soreau> what does `echo $WAYLAND_DISPLAY` say in that environment?
[20:47] <plujon> sometimes, when I type in emacs, the cursor goes back one or two characters temporarily.
[20:48] <plujon> It's empty.
[20:48] <soreau> ok so this probably means gnome running on X
[20:48] <plujon> Yes, I think so.
[20:48] <soreau> you might try to see if running wayland gnome session helps
[20:48] <plujon> XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=ubuntu:GNOME
[20:49] <plujon> On this same hardware, I used to use openbox (lubuntu).  I never saw this same behavior then.  Hmm.  I'll look into trying wayland, I guess.
[20:50] <plujon> It definitely looks like the areas of the screen that are supposed to "update" are the problem.
[20:50] <plujon> Would that point to the compositor?  I don't have a good grasp on how stuff actually gets drawn on the monitor.
[20:52] <plujon> I wonder why X11 is the default on ubuntu 20.04.
[20:52] <quadrat> plujon because canonical was not comfortable to support wayland for 10 years on a 20.04 base
[20:52] <soreau> plujon: it's hard to say where the problem is actually, but it is most likely either kernel, mesa or window manager
[20:52] <sarnold> we tried switching to wayland for an earlier release and it did not go great
[20:52] <oerheks> there is never a huge change with LTS, like wayland
[20:53] <soreau> wayland is simply not ready for desktop production use yet
[20:53] <sarnold> nvidia drivers still don't work with wayland, so it feels unlikely to ever be a default to me, but that's a guess
[20:53] <soreau> but it's getting there, slowly
[20:53] <oerheks> not ready .. that is why you have a x11 session installed too
[20:53] <quadrat> sarnold oO nvidia supports wayland, but no xwayland, which is fixed in the 470 drivers
[20:53] <soreau> in the mean time, users can test it and report bugs
[20:54] <plujon> Are there any logs I should check other than dmesg?  Or would the current bug not be something likely to be logged?
[20:54] <sarnold> quadrat: oh?
[20:55] <oerheks> jounalctrl
[20:55] <soreau> plujon: no, not really in this case
[20:55] <quadrat> sarnold yeah xwayland had no acceleration that's why it was disabled by default
[20:55] <quadrat> 470 is gonna be huge for linux
[20:55] <soreau> plujon: I would recommend figuring out what exactly changed/updated that caused the problem
[20:56] <soreau> plujon: once you have that information, you can file a bug against the offending component
[20:56] <sarnold> quadrat: cool, thanks for the fix :)
[20:58] <plujon> soreau: Hmm.  Thanks...  I used to use lubuntu, then I added a drive, the PCI-e card, and decided to try vanilla ubuntu.
[20:59] <plujon> So, I changed the whole OS, but both were 20.04 LTS.
[20:59] <plujon> I could try switching back to lubuntu with the new hardware and seeing if the problem recurs.  Problem is, it only shows up about once a week so far...
[21:00] <soreau> plujon: try gnome wayland first
[21:00] <soreau> if you can't isolate the compnent
[21:02] <plujon> I'll try that.  But ... maybe I'll poke around a bit before then.  I wouldn't want to lose the bug...
[21:02] <plujon> Certain actions lead to the flicker.  Perhaps I can find actions that make the flicker a lot worse.
[21:03] <plujon> Alt-tab results in colored flicker all around the borders of my screen.
[21:04] <plujon> The lines seem more horizontal than vertical: greens and blues.  Actually, it looks like the desktop image "leaks through" the task bar for a brief second, partly.
[21:05] <plujon> My desktop background is a glade, and it has green leaves and blue sky and water.
[21:06] <soreau> wayland - every frame is perfect
[21:06] <soreau> if it's not, probably your drivers (kernel or mesa) have a bug
[21:06] <soreau> or it's a garbage compositor :P
[21:08] <shimbles> is there a way to uninstall everything related to wayland
[21:09] <oerheks> shimbles, there is no uninstall option somewhere, nor a proper guide
[21:09] <oerheks> if you find one, let us know?
[21:09] <shimbles> i discovered that wayland does not aim to support the remoting features of X
[21:09] <plujon> Instead of using wayland, is there some way I can use the lubuntu setup?  I know it uses openbox for the window manager, but I don't know what it uses for compositing.
[21:09] <soreau> shimbles: isn't there waypipe?
[21:10] <soreau> plujon: try a live session
[21:10] <shimbles> i was not able to definitively determine that was the source of Guacamole + vncserver breaking on Hirsute / Impish, but i have my suspicions
[21:10] <plujon> And for the record, am I currently using mutter?
[21:11] <plujon> soreau: I can, but FWIW, the last time this problem occurred was *2 weeks ago*.  So, debugging this might be rather difficult...
[21:12] <shimbles> oerheks i will create a parallel universe drive, and diff our universe versus the one where wayland wasn't created. of course, if that universe also doesn't have nazis, it could be a big patch
[21:14] <soreau> plujon: alright, have fun with that
[21:14] <oerheks> shimbles, why does it have to be about nazis? keep this channel clean and family friendly, thanks.
[21:14] <plujon> Last time it occurred, it was extremely hot, so I thought maybe something was overheating.  But today is not hot at all.
[21:15] <plujon> Is it possible for me to start a new desktop session while this one is running, and for it to use Wayland?
[21:15] <shimbles> oerheks, i'm wondering why you felt the need to type that word in a sentence about "clean and family friendly"
[21:16] <shimbles> perhaps its becaues many nazis were acquitted in the Nuremburg trials?
[21:16] <gordonjcp> shimbles: does anyone use the remote features of X any more?
[21:16] <oerheks> you are totally offtopic
[21:16] <gordonjcp> shimbles: like, apart from me, but I'm a lunatic
[21:16] <shimbles> gordonjcp i don't know of anyone who uses X over ssh regularly, i certainly never did
[21:17] <shimbles> however, Apache Guacamole is a very nice technology
[21:17] <shimbles> it is not particularly fast nor efficient, but it pops a desktop in your browser
[21:17] <gordonjcp> yeah, it plays nicely with VNC which makes it a drop-in replacement for a thing I have at work
[21:18] <gordonjcp> but that's terribly off-topic and includes running extremely specialised builds of Windows XP in qemu
[21:18] <shimbles> you can now do that with WSL2 most likely
[21:19] <shimbles> https://ubuntu.com/blog/announcing-ubuntu-on-windows-community-preview-wsl-2
[21:19] <plujon> Ctrl-Alt-F1 shows me a login screen, but I don't see how to choose wayland and then login...
[21:19] <shimbles> soreau is waypipe a way forward for using Hirsute/Impish/... with Guacamole?
[21:20] <gordonjcp> shimbles: unlikely, since WSL2 solves a totally different problem
[21:20] <shimbles> gordonjcp if you want a remote desktop of your windows box, then no, but if you want a guac desktop of a desktop running on your windows box, then you can use that specialized build of WSL2 i sent you, which supports GUI
[21:21] <gordonjcp> shimbles: that's not even close to the problem
[21:21] <shimbles> you didn't say what the problem was, just something about qemu and windows
[21:32] <Enissay> Looking to connect to my home machine remotely from outside using some secure remote desktop, which would you advise that is easy to setup ? Oh, also that it starts up at/before login in case the machine reboots...
[21:37] <quadrat> plujon select your user, then a cogwheel should show up on the right bottom corner
[21:38] <plujon> quadrat: Thanks; I see no cogwheel...
[21:38] <quadrat> plujon are you on proper ubuntu or some flavor?
[21:38] <plujon> Vanilla Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.
[21:39] <quadrat> ahm
[21:39] <plujon> I see my name in the middle of the screen and underneath, "Not listed?"  and at the bottom: "ubuntu"
[21:40] <plujon> If I click on my name, I'm prompted for a password, but no cogwheel.  I don't know how to take a screenshot of the login screen.
[21:40] <toddc> Enissay: Safe and easy no but a happy medium openvpn, dynamic DNS,VNC  This is what I use but there are a lot of other options
[21:41] <compdoc> Enissay, I like x2go
[21:43] <quadrat> plujon where does it say ubuntu?
[21:44] <plujon> At the center bottom of the screen in big letters.
[21:44] <plujon> Maybe a cog is slightly off-screen..?
[21:45] <quadrat> plujon if you don't have a crt screen it's very unlikely
[21:45] <plujon> startx # made the screen black for several seconds
[21:45] <plujon> oops, wrong channel
[21:48] <Enissay> toddc compdoc: thank you for the leads <3
[21:49] <plujon> quadrat: Actually, I lied (or misremembered).  I think this is a minimal ubuntu.  I'm trying to remember what the term is...
[21:50] <plujon> I think when I started the installation of Ubuntu, I said to install the bare minimum.  Maybe I need to install wayland for the cog to appear.
[21:59] <quadrat> plujon are you running on a nvidia card?
[22:02] <quadrat> plujon if not, make sure that gnome-session-wayland is installed
[22:02] <quadrat> (eh also when using nvidia)
[22:14] <plujon> quadrat: Thanks.  I'm using intel.  I installed gnome-session-wayland, but still no cog.  Perhaps i need to restart the login app?
[22:17] <Hatz_> I've compiled and installed xterm-368 from source, but I can't change default terminal to xterm/uxterm in "update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator". Is there easy way to fix that?
[22:17] <Hatz_> Does update-alternatives depends on *.desktop files?
[22:18] <plujon> Apparently killing gdm3 kills one's session.  But indeed, after that, I've got a cogwheel.  This is now a Wayland-empowered session.
[22:18] <plujon> I can't tell if Wayland is way faster, or if it just feels that way because of the snowy glitches I was seeing for the past 2 hours.
[22:18] <quadrat> plujon nice
[22:19] <plujon> The snow-damage glitches are gone.  I'll see if I have any problems using Wayland.
[22:20] <quadrat> plujon hopefully you don't :)
[22:23] <Hatz_> Nevermind, fixed it with "sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator x-terminal-emulator /usr/bin/uxterm 50", if anyone is interested with solution.
[22:58] <Enissay> compdoc: what if the remote machine is not logged in (reboot/crash) ? it is not accessible then :-/
[22:58] <Enissay> I am referring to x2go
[22:59] <compdoc> I use it on serval headless servers, and never had that issue
[22:59] <leftyfb> compdoc: why not use ssh?
[23:01] <compdoc> I do use ssh, but I also like to use the desktop and certain gui apps. I can leave things running and disconnect, then reconnect later with everything still running
[23:01] <leftyfb> compdoc: what sort of GUI app do you need on a remote server?
[23:02] <compdoc> gparted, caja, disks, chrome and firefox, etc
[23:04] <leftyfb> parted, ssh, fdisk/sgdisk/fsck, sshuttle or many other proxy solutions to route your local browser over a remote connection
[23:08] <compdoc> phfft, Im faster and more informed with a gui
[23:08] <leftyfb> compdoc: you'd be MUCH faster and more productive not using GUI
[23:08] <leftyfb> (to manage a server)
[23:08] <compdoc> not at all
[23:09] <leftyfb> no, that's actually a proven fact
[23:09] <leftyfb> regardless, I'm offtopic
[23:16] <soreau> shimbles: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mstoeckl/waypipe "This makes application forwarding similar to ssh -X [1] feasible."
[23:17] <shimbles> i notice the QtWebEngine build system has some sort of support for this
[23:17] <shimbles> oh no, that is pipewire
[23:17] <shimbles> interesting; well, i am stuck on groovy until someone else gets guacamole working on hirsute
[23:19] <soreau> shimbles: maybe you want wayvnc then? most remote desktop things for X are considered a security risk in wayland
[23:19] <soreau> but maybe pipewire will help
[23:26] <compdoc> Enissay, I forgot, x2go requires a 2D desktop like Ubuntu Mate
[23:48] <morgans> how do I install noty on 20.04 -?  it is on github and I have never done that.  https://github.com/fabiospampinato/noty/releases/tag/v2.2.0
[23:48] <morgans> it is an electron app.
[23:51] <quadrat> morgansi wouldn't as the app didn't see any progress in the last 3 years, and it was abandoned by the author
[23:51] <quadrat> morgans ^
[23:52] <oerheks> Deprecated in favor of Notable https://github.com/notable/notable
[23:52] <morgans> ok. do you know of such a sticknyotes on the desktop that is friendly/useful.
[23:56] <oerheks> i don't know any that is not usefull, joplin is cross-platform  https://www.slant.co/topics/6303/~note-taking-apps-for-linux
[23:58] <quadrat> "The Linux client has a bug that requires the user to click the mouse frequently in order for sync to proceed. This bug has been open for a while." ugh
[23:59] <leftyfb> morgans: regardless of the bugs, notable can be installed by running: sudo snap install notable


[00:35] <Unit193> Howdy!  I heard there was a plan to deprecate/remove indicator-* stuff, is that accurate?
[07:25] <cpaelzer> rbasak: hiho, you added a delta to mediawiki for mysql8
[07:25] <cpaelzer> rbasak: it seems that Debian has accepted that in 1:1.31.5-1
[07:25] <cpaelzer> Could you check this and trigger a sync if you agree?
[07:25] <cpaelzer> that also would give us 3 upstream minor releases and a CVE fix
[07:26] <cpaelzer> I ran into that by checking postgres dependncies currently having issues, but since it is your delta I thought you might just give it a quick look and sync it
[07:28] <cpaelzer> oh wait IIRC you said you won't be around this morning right?
[07:28] <cpaelzer> I'll check and sync it if identical, but leave it to you if there are differences
[07:30] <cpaelzer> ok, changes are 100% identical - I'll call syncpackage
[10:31] <rafaeldtinoco> morning o/
[12:31] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, I opened another RC bug for the armhf build failure
[12:43] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: that's not because of different OpenGL/OpenGLes defaults?
[13:06] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, it fails on Debian too
[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> but aren't the defaults in sync with Debian now?
[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> I see there is no qtbase delta anymore...
[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> mitya57? ^^
[13:16] <LocutusOfBorg> paraview on armhf might fail differently in Debian, since it fails hours before the Ubuntu failure
[13:16] <LocutusOfBorg> meh
[13:23] <doko> may I remove paraview from -proposed for now?
[13:27] <LocutusOfBorg> for sure :D
[13:27] <LocutusOfBorg> double rc bug, if no rdepends, who cares
[13:27] <LocutusOfBorg> so I can see what else is missing for vtk and friends to migrate
[13:45] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: last paraview armhf attempt was a month ago, i gave it back now to see if anything changes
[13:52] <LocutusOfBorg> ginggs, problem is that we have to disable parallel building to avoid ENOMEM
[13:52] <LocutusOfBorg> but another machine might have more ram
[14:12] <ahasenack> rafaeldtinoco: do you still have the tags locally for https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-ha/ubuntu/+source/resource-agents/+git/resource-agents/+merge/375322 ?
[14:12] <ahasenack> logical, split, etc?
[14:12] <ahasenack> if yes, can you push please?
[14:12] <rafaeldtinoco> sure
[14:13] <rafaeldtinoco> ahasenack: done
[14:13] <rafaeldtinoco> will do for crmsh also, forgot
[14:20] <coreycb> infinity: xnox: some answers regarding openstack ussuri release alignment with focal. the reasoning for the change in release timing is simply based on the time between OSF summits. the timing was raised with the CEO, COO, and board, and they basically apologized, said that they hadn’t thought about the impact to distros.  They recognized that it is an important impact and they will coordinate and communicate
[14:20] <coreycb> better and with consideration in the future. but the ussuri release isn't changing at this point.
[14:23] <ahasenack> rafaeldtinoco: quick needs-fixing for resource-agents, at the beginning of the process, so it will affect the remaining commits, so I'll wait
[14:24] <rafaeldtinoco> ah u found it
[14:24] <rafaeldtinoco> ahasenack: i thought it had came from debian or something was wrong
[14:24] <rafaeldtinoco> let me fix it
[14:39] <ahasenack> rafaeldtinoco: let me know when pushed please
[14:51] <rafaeldtinoco> k, having a quick bite and will do right away
[15:15] <xnox> coreycb:  they made it 30 weeks long which is shooting themselves in the foot really
[15:23] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg: not sure what you are asking me about. There is no major qtbase delta since Disco. Disco and Eoan had only some cherry-picks on top of Debian packaging.
[15:25] <coreycb> xnox: well, yes. I think it's unfortunate as well and I really hope it will be better aligned in the future. it sounds like it will be.
[15:27] <coreycb> xnox: for focal though we need to weigh whether the one month slip is a deal breaker or if we can work with it. the schedule for the current release isn't going to change.
[15:32] <xnox> coreycb:  we need to request them to change the schedule harder
[15:33] <xnox> coreycb:  and like have an earlier point release (do they do those?)
[15:34] <coreycb> xnox: we can snapshot releases at any point in time
[15:34] <coreycb> xnox: they only do point releases for stable support post-release
[15:38] <infinity> coreycb: I'd like to know what "coordinate [...] in future" is actually going to look like.  I'm okay with a 1-time "yeah, we can make this wonky schedule work, I guess", but I don't want it to become a habit.  If they can commit to their next cycle being short and getting back on cadence, then alright, they screwed up once, oh well.
[15:39] <infinity> coreycb: Also, the current cycle is still salvageable if they toss us a few bones via their own release policy.  Like, say, strongly discourage (or flat out disallow) changing of dependencies in components N weeks before release, for instance, as that's the most annoying change for distros to deal with post-release.
[15:40] <infinity> Code is just code, but changing the package selections on end-user machines is never pleasant (sometimes because they use tools wrong, eg "apt-get upgrade" versus "apt-get dist-upgrade", sometimes because certain deployment strategies are just flat-out paranoid about stuff like "why is a new package needed and suddenly you say this one isn't?)
[15:41] <infinity> "
[15:42] <coreycb> infinity: agreed I think we need to get a better idea of coordinate in future.. something we can hold them to
[15:43] <infinity> coreycb: I mean, a good start is knowing that for literally 15 (well, ish) years now, Fedora, Ubuntu, and GNOME have all managed to have a matching cadence (and some other projects tag along for fun).
[15:43] <infinity> They could just.... Do That. :P
[15:43] <coreycb> infinity: the dependencies are frozen 13 days prior to focal release so it would be bug fixes only beyond that
[15:43] <infinity> And we don't really coordinate that, we just know how to count to 6.
[15:44] <coreycb> infinity: hah
[15:44] <infinity> coreycb: Okay, if the deps are frozen before release *and* the dep-frozen RCs can all make it into release, I'm less wary of this plan.
[15:45] <LocutusOfBorg> mitya57, I remember some eglfs being enabled on arm64 or armhf or differently between debian and ubuntu
[15:45] <mitya57> It is not the case since Disco. And it was arm64, not armhf.
[15:45] <LocutusOfBorg> nice thanks
[15:46] <infinity> coreycb: There's nothing scarier to paranoid "but you said it was a *stable* release" users than an upgrade saying "You now need python3-soundsscary, and you no longer need python3-soundsimportant, press Y to break everything."
[15:46] <LocutusOfBorg> so, the failure should be reproducible in Debian too
[15:46] <coreycb> infinity: mostly it would be that way. the upstream rc1 deadline (core projects) is one day after focal release so we would plan to snapshot core projects as late as possible for focal, maybe a week prior to release to not disturb things release week.
[15:58] <infinity> coreycb: Alright, formally replied on-list.  Thanks for the back-and-forth.
[16:01] <coreycb> infinity: alright, thank you
[16:22] <infinity> ahasenack: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1851858
[16:23] <infinity> ahasenack: I'll let you argue with the security/ESM team about who's at fault, but the situation is definitely broken.
[16:24] <ahasenack> hm, I didn't know esm was x86 only
[16:24] <sbeattie> ugh
[16:25] <teward> just to fact-check myself, when we say x86 we also include amd64 in that yes? (x86_64)
[16:25] <infinity> teward: Yes.
[16:25] <teward> good, the lack of coffee is making my brain fail :)
[16:25] <teward> thanks infinity
[16:26] <infinity> As noted in the bug, I'd prefer if it wasn't x86-only, but that's a policy change I'm probably not in a position to make.
[16:27] <tyhicks> infinity: it is *64-bit* x86 only: https://ubuntu.com/legal/ubuntu-advantage-service-description#uasd-subscription
[16:28] <infinity> tyhicks: The archive has binary-i386
[16:28] <infinity> tyhicks: So from the POV of this bug, it's x86-only.
[16:28] <infinity> tyhicks: https://esm.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-infra-security/main/
[16:29] <tyhicks> hmm, I wonder if that's an artifact of the new trusty-infra-security
[16:30] <infinity> tyhicks: Nah, precise was both arches too.
[16:30] <infinity> tyhicks: It's probably just that IS filtered to those two arches (being the same two we publish on archive.u.c) and no one questioned them.
[16:30] <infinity> tyhicks: Since the PPA has all arches, and they had to pick a filter for the mirror.
[16:31] <mdeslaur> precise had both probably because precise builds the all arch on i386, no?
[16:31] <infinity> mdeslaur: That doesn't mean i386 would need to be mirrored.
[16:32] <mdeslaur> true
[16:32] <cjwatson> Also, that's true of trusty too
[16:32] <cjwatson> $ curl -s https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu/trusty | jq -r .nominatedarchindep_link
[16:32] <cjwatson> https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu/trusty/i386
[16:32] <infinity> Now, that said, there are other reasons you might want i386, like multiarch libraries.
[16:33] <cjwatson> (It changed with vivid)
[16:33] <infinity> Cause if you ESM a library that people have installed multi-arch, the version skew will tear it out if they can't get all arches.
[16:33] <mdeslaur> ah, that would be a good reason to have it :)
[16:34] <infinity> But that's also an argument for why we should publish all arches and just turn off !amd64 builds for packages we really don't want to support (the kernel?).
[16:34]  * infinity shrugs.
[16:34] <infinity> At any rate, the u-a-t bug is real and causing pain right now.  Any solution is better than none.
[16:37]  * genii runs a hose from the coffeepot to teward's desk
[16:38] <gQuigs> would anyone mind approving systemd in the upload queues (bionic/disco)?  got several customers who are looking forward to further testing when it hits -proposed  (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=systemd)
[17:03] <rbalint> gQuigs, it is more of an #ubuntu-release question
[17:04] <rbalint> gQuigs, try pinging SRU team members, the daily vanguards are listed at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Publishing
[17:09] <gQuigs> rbalint: thanks! will do


[10:36] <surfzoid> cjwatson: Hi, could you please, simply delete hiknetextractor_1.0.39-0~202303281717~ubuntu23.04.1_amd64.deb , python-hiknetextractor_1.0.39-0~202303281712~ubuntu22.10.1_amd64.deb	in /surfzoid/qtvsplayer/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hiknetextractor and also libqtvsplayer_1.0.39-0~202303281018~ubuntu22.04.1_amd64.deb	in /surfzoid/qtvsplayer/ubuntu/pool/main/q/qtvsplayer
[10:41] <cjwatson> No, I don't have any special permissions required to do that
[10:41] <cjwatson> I'll look at your ticket if I get the time but I have a half-day today so time is tight
 "No, I don't have any special..." <- ok, eventually it should be nice if my ssh acces have shell
[10:55] <cjwatson> You're not ever going to have a shell account on the PPA publisher machine :)
[10:55] <cjwatson> Doesn't work that way
[11:05] <surfzoid> cjwatson: if i delete QtVsPlayer PPA, create a new one, Hikvision, all should be ok?
[11:28] <surfzoid> ok, i did it, wait and see
[13:49] <surfzoid> https://launchpad.net/~surfzoid/+archive/ubuntu/hikvision/+packages
[20:31] <realtime-neil> When did the apt endpoints change from ppa.launchpad.net to ppa.launchpadcontent.net ? Where was this announced? How can I subscribe to similar announcements?
[20:33] <wontfix[m]> That was after https became standard post 20.04 right?
[20:33] <wontfix[m]> So 20.04 was the last timeframe to have http ootb IIRC
[20:34] <realtime-neil> Oh, that's different, too.
[20:34] <realtime-neil> welp
[20:35] <realtime-neil> I assume that the http://ppa.launchpad.net endpoints will be deprecated?
[20:35] <realtime-neil> If so, then when?
[20:46] <rbasak> realtime-neil: https://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/new-domain-names-for-ppas
[21:27] <realtime-neil> rbasak: thanks much