[00:00] <kish> might want to ask in ##linux
[00:00] <Aliselyn> kthomas_vh: nope :) barely even edge
[00:00] <kthomas_vh> ack
[00:00] <kish> Aliselyn, you know im getting a yagi wifi antennna
[00:00] <kthomas_vh> :)
[00:00] <kish> if you get a sat dish antenna you may be able to leech wifi miles away
[00:00] <kthomas_vh> how far can you pick up the ...
[00:00] <Aliselyn> kish: what is that?
[00:00]  * kthomas_vh goes to look
[00:01] <Aliselyn> kish: miles away would have to be dozens, because everyone around here has either dialup or sattelite
[00:02] <kish> Aliselyn, well these point to point links have been known to work over 100 miles
[00:02] <kthomas_vh> dozens is possible with dishes on each side
[00:02] <kermit> whats an .ogg decompressor that supports writing 24 bit PCM?
[00:02] <kthomas_vh> plus there's WiMax in Orlando
[00:02] <Maser> i made one with a metal colander and a wireless-n cisco adapter
[00:02] <Maser> got interents from a highschool that was 4 blocks away
[00:03] <Aliselyn> kish: I'd rather not leech someone else's internet ( and kthomas_vh: my ISP is in Orlando, not me)
[00:03] <kthomas_vh> ah,  but how far?
[00:03] <ZykoticK9> !ot
[00:03] <kthomas_vh> I didn't geolocate :)
[00:04] <Aliselyn> kthomas: from Orlando? a days drive
[00:04] <kthomas_vh> and I don't know what the ...
[00:04] <kthomas_vh> ooh
[00:04] <kthomas_vh> ok
[00:04] <kthomas_vh> :)
[00:04] <FloodBot1> kthomas_vh: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:04] <blackswan> !kernel|blackswan
[00:05] <kish> Aliselyn, good god where is this place!
[00:05] <Aliselyn> kish: just NW Florida, in the panhandle
[00:05] <ZykoticK9> kish, can you please drop Aliselyn's location issue - it's offtopic
[00:05] <MichealH> Go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:06] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, I can sympathize, we have no cable or phone service where I live, it's Wireless Inet, or nothing.
[00:06] <KE1HA> Opps, true, we're way OT :-)
[00:07] <kish> the peruvians have created a country wide network of wifi dish antennas that connect a lot of villages
[00:07] <kthomas_vh> hmmm.... connectivity is off-topic for Ubuntu?
[00:07] <bazhang> kish, lets get back on topic please
[00:07] <mastercactapus> i have a strange issue; as soon as i get past grub the screen gets wierd eventually fading to white; the system responds normaly but the display is just white; it is a notebook pc; just installed 10.04.1 i386 with alternate cd (livecd had same display issue)
[00:08] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: I guess talking about my connection area issues is off-topic, so if you want to, I don't mind continuing in off-topic
[00:08] <MichealH> Mastercatapus: Could the MD5sums be different or something?
[00:08] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: I mean in off-topic area
[00:08] <KE1HA> LOL.. Im ok, i'd rather see if we can get you modem working properly.
[00:08] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: thank you
[00:09] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: umm, I don't know how to unpack the tar.bz2
[00:09] <erUSUL> Aliselyn: tar xf file.tar.bz2
[00:09] <MichealH> !lol | ke1ha
[00:09] <kish> LOL
[00:09] <ZykoticK9> erUSUL, you need to add something to extract the bz2 part
[00:10] <mastercactapus> MichealH: the images verified ok; i had this problem with older versions on other laptops but could at least get to the console (ctrl+alt+f1) but although it responds normaly the console does not display either (stays white)
[00:10] <erUSUL> ZykoticK9: no; tar is smart enough this days
[00:10] <MichealH> !lol > kish
[00:10] <thune3> mastercactapus: i'm not clear, does the white go away at some point?
[00:10] <ZykoticK9> erUSUL, excellent - thanks then :)
[00:11] <MichealH> Mastercatapus: Probably a XServer issue
[00:11] <KE1HA> MichealH, Im aware this is IRC, I spend allot of time here.
[00:11] <mikebeecham> errrm guys...I have lost opacity on everything within ubuntu somehow
[00:11] <mastercactapus> thune3: no it does not; i recorded a video of it that i could upload; as im not sure how to describe it
[00:11] <mikebeecham> my mouse is there, etc
[00:11] <mikebeecham> I cant see anything apart from my wallpaper and the mouse
[00:11] <mikebeecham> Is there a way i can get this back?
[00:12] <MichealH> Try logging off and on?
[00:12] <mikebeecham> MichealH: just did...it remained
[00:13] <olskolirc> vlc can't open my input and its set on alsa the one i want how do i get my vlc sound back please?  I cant hear music or the tvtuner
[00:13] <KE1HA> Aliselyn,  just do: [  tar -xjvf example.tar.bz2 ]
[00:13] <itsux2bu> dispite being a longtime dos/windows user..  i do have to admit that linux does have some kickass features.. ctrl-z/bg
[00:13] <dogmatic69> hi all
[00:13] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: I'm getting some errors when I run the install
[00:13] <rooks> itsux2bu, its just the tip of the iceberg :)
[00:14] <dogmatic69> im kinda new to linux, got ubuntu10 going but cant seem to edit any files
[00:14] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: should I run with sudo?
[00:14] <valbaca> !lol>valbaca
[00:14] <ZykoticK9> dogmatic69, what are you trying to edit?
[00:14] <KE1HA> yes on the install portion.
[00:14] <MichealH> Dogmatic69: Which
[00:15] <ZykoticK9> !tab > MichealH much faster then typing nics ;)
[00:15] <ridin> !lol > valbaca
[00:15] <ridin> oh, oops
[00:15] <ridin> !lol > ridin
[00:15] <dogmatic69> ZykoticK9: i installed php5 and want to fiddle the php.ini, the one i found i cant edit, and then i tried to edit the default .html in /var/www and cant either
[00:15] <MichealH> !botabuse
[00:15] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: never mind, I ran with sudo and it worked
[00:16] <ZykoticK9> dogmatic69, when editing "system" files you need to use "sudo" or "gksu" to get elevated (root) privildges
[00:16] <valbaca> MichaelH, sorry, just trying to learn
[00:16] <dogmatic69> ZykoticK9: i did sudo edit php.ini
[00:16] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, sis you do: sudo hfsconfig ?
[00:16] <ZykoticK9> dogmatic69, for example "gksu gedit /path/to/php.ini"
[00:16] <KE1HA> did you do ?
[00:16] <MichealH> Zykotick9, Not on a iPod I ain't
[00:17] <ZykoticK9> MichealH, ahh i see ;)
[00:17] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: I ran it, and it's asking "where is the linux source build directory that matches your running kernel?"
[00:18] <ZykoticK9> KE1HA, sounds like Aliselyn need kernel source/header files
[00:18] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, you need build-essentials and kernel-headers
[00:18] <hiexpo> KE1HA,  anysuggestions on a good channel for programming ?
[00:18] <dogmatic69> ZykoticK9: thanks, that does the trick
[00:18] <ZykoticK9> dogmatic69, :)
[00:18] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: I have no idea what to do for that. I'm basically new at this
[00:19] <dogmatic69> ZykoticK9: why would sudo edit php.ini not work btw?
[00:19] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, sudo apt-get install build-essential && linuxk-headers-$(uname -r)
[00:19] <matt2> Hello, I would like to hear my microphone through my headphones (with no delay). I have unmuted and turned everything up in alsamixer. I can record and playback the input but can't hear it in real time. I used to be able to do this but it has mysteriously stopped working. Using 'pactl load-module module-loopback' gives too large a delay. Thanks  (running 9.10)
[00:19] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: kinda hard when I can't connect to the internet on it
[00:19] <KE1HA> correctionn: sudo apt-get install build-essential && linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[00:19] <ZykoticK9> KE1HA, lol - Aliselyn good point!
[00:20] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, Indeed !!
[00:20] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: sorry, I'm running 10.04 on my laptop, and talking on my desktop
[00:20] <thune3> mastercactapus: i think your issue might qualify as http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2010/05/06/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup-workaround/
[00:20] <LukaszTarkowski> Hi people how is everyone?
[00:21] <ZykoticK9> !hi | LukaszTarkowski
[00:21] <osmosis> not sure why there is no longer a target line. wondering where I can get this info now.  http://dpaste.com/231386/
[00:21] <LukaszTarkowski> What is the best audio player that playsback pls radio stattions like shoutcast
[00:21] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: it's funny how to download things to get your internet working, you actually have to be on the internet
[00:21] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, Well, now Im stuck, as without getting the buid tools, ya can't comple tha driver fer the kernel
[00:21] <LukaszTarkowski> If possible a list please
[00:21] <LukaszTarkowski> I am using Ubuntu 10.04 tls
[00:22] <xangua> !best | LukaszTarkowski
[00:22] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: might there be a package I can download and install?
[00:22] <xangua> i like rythmbox, is default
[00:22] <mastercactapus> thune3: ill try that though i believe its an ati card in this one
[00:22] <LukaszTarkowski> hmm
[00:22] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, You need a bucnh for build-essential .. if you ahve the LiveCD you did the install with, you can use that.
[00:23] <KE1HA> In the package Manager, uncheck everythign apart from the CD-Rom
[00:23] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: I have the live CD, how would I do it?
[00:23] <mastercactapus> oh to whom it may concern heres a video of startup/reboot; blanks about 15 seconds in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_HVcvPHqz8
[00:23] <Nilos> Having trouble with my wireless connection.I did a "iwconfig" and I see the interface, also it does see the wireless adapter, but whenecver I try to connect I get the message NO DHCPOFFERS RECEIVED
[00:24] <itsux2bu> when push a foreground task to the background with.. ctrl-z/bg   where does the output go?  do i have to redirect output to a file to view later? or does the fg command bring background output to the foreground?
[00:24] <olskolirc> !codecs
[00:24] <olskolirc> !kernel
[00:25] <thune3> mastercactapus: i'm not confident. the recommendation is to try xforcevesa, and then install fglrx using System->Administration->Hardware Drivers
[00:25] <ZykoticK9> !nox | mastercactapus
[00:25] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, Go to the Package Manager, and settings & repositories and select only the CD-Rom, I think that should pull from the CD only, anyone Else know if that's true ?
[00:26] <ZykoticK9> KE1HA, probably - IF build-essentials is on the CD (i don't know if it is or isn't)
[00:26] <KE1HA> I dont know fer sure, But I think it should be.
[00:26] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: umm, Package Manager? where would that be? I don't see it in Places or System
[00:26] <KE1HA> If it's not, we're stuck fer sure.
[00:26] <KE1HA> System Administration, Synaptic Package manager
[00:27] <mastercactapus> thune3: that did allow me to use my screen :) ill try installing the hardware drivers and any updates; thank you wish me luck
[00:27] <MichealH> Aliseluyn: it's "Synaptic Package Manager"
[00:27] <KE1HA> I shgoudl say, System >> Administration ...
[00:27] <ZykoticK9> KE1HA, Aliselyn - system / admin / software sources would work as well
[00:27] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: heh, I've already downloaded dozens of packages, a few more won't faze me. Thanks for helping
[00:28] <olskolirc> whats wrong with my vlc please here is my dmesg: vlc[5128]: segfault at 4 ip 0690ebc6 sp bfb92640 error 4 in libQtDBus.so.4.6.2[68cc000+77000]
[00:28] <KE1HA> But you need to Edit the Repositories to Select the CD-Rom
[00:29] <KE1HA> After you Select The CD-Rom and Unselect the others, then oprn the terminal, and do the following:
[00:29] <KE1HA> sudo apt-get install build-essential && linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[00:29] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: ok, so I need to uncheck everything but the CD-Rom, and edit the Repositories?
[00:30] <KE1HA> Yes
[00:30] <LukaszTarkowski> brb
[00:30] <KE1HA> Just for this One Install
[00:30] <KE1HA> After we're done, reverse what you checked
[00:30] <Aliselyn> of course
[00:31] <SuperMiguel> whats the lightest desktop enviroment for a netbook??
[00:31] <KE1HA> Otherwise you wil be back here shouting at me :)
[00:31] <KE1HA> SuperMiguel, what do you mean ENV ?
[00:31] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: it would be my idiot fault if I didn't recheck them when I should have, not yours :)
[00:32] <SuperMiguel> KE1HA, manager
[00:32] <Divecks> hey guys, for some reason, this one partition on my external HD has been given a gibberish name (like 30-40 characters, random). How can I change it's "label", the way the system can see it?
[00:32] <ZykoticK9> SuperMiguel, one of the *box would be the lightest - but lxde is more of an environment then just a windows manager
[00:32] <itsux2bu> when push a foreground task to the background with.. ctrl-z/bg   where does the output go?  do i have to redirect output to a file to view later? or does the fg command bring background output to the foreground?
[00:32] <KE1HA> SuperMiguel, if it's ubuntu-netbook then it's Gnme, if it's kubuntu-netbook its KDE
[00:32] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: umm, I don't see anything for the CD-Rom, and everything is already unchecked, so far as I can tell....
[00:33] <Gimped> SuperMiguel: lightest DE = lxde or xfce
[00:33] <jessebye> Any thoughts on Ubuntu vs. Xubuntu?
[00:34] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, http://imagebin.org/110465
[00:34] <Divecks> Upon further investigation, it seems as it has no label, and is instead given its UUID as it's label..
[00:34] <KE1HA> In the Package Manager Got to: Settings >. Repositories and you should see that screen.
[00:35] <Gimped> jessebye: plenty of resources on that topic if you use google search
[00:35] <Oer> Divecks, that is normal for ext3/ext4, there is no use of disklabel.
[00:35] <Nilos> Having trouble with my wireless connection.I did a "iwconfig" and I see the interface, also it does see the wireless adapter, but whenecver I try to connect I get the message NO DHCPOFFERS RECEIVED
[00:35] <jessebye> Gimped: just wondering whether anyone here had some personal experience to share
[00:36] <ZykoticK9> jessebye, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_vitals&num=1 (Gimped you also might want to check out xfce, not too light after all)
[00:36] <thune3> itsux2bu: stdout is normally still connected to the terminal for background processes, unless you redirected it.
[00:36] <LukaszTarkowski> I am back ;)
[00:36] <Divecks> Oer: Well, it's HFS+. But it shouldn't matter, I have other HFS+ partitions on the same drive, that have their labels read correctly. I also have an ext4 partition, again, on the same drive, that has a label. Hmm
[00:36] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: the image appears as broken for me, but I see the screen that I should (I think) umm, what should be checked ot unchecked?
[00:36] <LukaszTarkowski> I just found the latest version of xchat ;)
[00:36] <uRock> jessebye, xubuntu is just as heavy on the system as ubuntu
[00:37] <KE1HA> Under Settings >> Repositories, uncheck everything, and check CD-Rom for Lucid
[00:37] <jessebye> uRock: then why even use it?
[00:37] <Gimped> ZykoticK9: Openbox user here, this is more than light for me  =) and gets my job done, ty I will check that link out
[00:37] <uRock> jessebye, I don't Ubuntu does everything I need and then some
[00:37] <ZykoticK9> Gimped, ya *box is light all right ;)
[00:37] <metalfan_> hi
[00:37] <uRock> !hi
[00:38] <Aliselyn> I don't see a check for the CD-Rom.... let me reinsert the cd and see if that works
[00:38] <Oer> Divecks e2label can change it > http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man8/e2label.8.html
[00:38] <ZykoticK9> Aliselyn, you might need to use System / Admin / Software Sources then - it has checkbox for CDrom for sure
[00:38] <Divecks> Oer, Thanks for the link, but I'm not having trouble with an ext4 system. It's HFS+.
[00:38] <metalfan_> lspci | grep VGA      says:  VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]              but System ▸ Administration ▸ Hardware Drivers   says that there are no properi... drivers in use and i cant choose one to install..why is that?
[00:38] <Gimped> jessebye: if you really want the bare minimum, lxde is the way to go, imho
[00:38] <BluesKaj> I just installed kubuntu-desktop after trying xubuntu for a while , not my cuppa tea ...need dolphin for networking as just one example
[00:39] <SuperMiguel> whats the difference between a desktop manager and a windows manager?
[00:39] <jessebye> ZykoticK9: thanks for the Phoronix link, very informative
[00:39] <Gimped> jessebye: lxde + openbox/fluxbox WM  will give you all the lightness you need
[00:39] <ZykoticK9> metalfan_, ATI may have removed support for your card :(  - don't take my work though - i'm not an ATI guy
[00:39] <ZykoticK9> jessebye, glad to help
[00:39] <jessebye> Gimped: yeah, I used lxde for a while but it felt clunky
[00:39] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: so just uncheck everything in that tab, or in all tabs?
[00:39] <LukaszTarkowski> brb need to reboot
[00:39] <ZykoticK9> metalfan_, s/work/word
[00:39] <metalfan_> ZykoticK9, i cant even play a simple dvdrip.....
[00:40] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, just that one TAB
[00:40] <jessebye> Gimped: then, so does xfce. it just doesn't have the level of polish that GNOME has. But then, GNOME is too heavy for my computer
[00:40] <Aliselyn> ok
[00:40] <metalfan_> ZykoticK9, the card is quite old. but they usually provided an older driver package that supported all the old models. the driver was working in ubuntu 9.04
[00:40] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, the Ubuntu Software TAB
[00:40] <ZykoticK9> metalfan_, ATI removed support for A LOT of their cards
[00:40] <uRock> jessebye, why do you say ubuntu is too heavy?
[00:41] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: I tried to close, and it says that I need an internet connection to continue
[00:41] <jessebye> uRock: I notice when I use it that my CPU is doing a lot more work, uses more RAM, and it just goes slower. I have an old Thinkpad T42
[00:41] <aeon-ltd> uRock: stock ubuntu is pretty bloated to be truthful
[00:42] <Gimped> jessebye: polishness comes from WM (openbox/fluxbox/enlightment/etc), NOT DE (KDE/GNOME/xfce/lxde)
[00:42] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, Define Irony, Need software to build drivers to access the Inet, but need Inet to allow selecting the CD-Rom for the binaries :-)
[00:42] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, Im stick on this one.
[00:42] <KE1HA> Opps Stuck
[00:42] <jessebye> aeon-ltd: yeah, I agree. after installing I have to spend a few hours getting rid of all the junk I don't want
[00:42] <uRock> aeon-ltd, I use it without problems and I have a really old Lenovo also
[00:42] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: yeah, Catch 22. ok, it did close, and looks like it might work
[00:43] <uRock> jessebye, use the minmal installer and install what you need
[00:43] <uRock> it is faster that way
[00:43] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, ok: sudo apt-get install build-essential && linux-headers-$(uname-r)
[00:43] <aeon-ltd> uRock: but the thing is over the years gnome has gotten heavier adding a few mbs of ram as requirements every big release/update
[00:43] <jessebye> uRock: then I have to spend hours getting everything I need installed :-) either way, I can't get to work right away without a lot of setup
[00:44] <aeon-ltd> ahh if only there was a definitive ubuntu lite instead of others creating random spin offs
[00:44] <uRock> jessebye, you pretty much have to do that with any form of Linux
[00:44] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, there is or should be a space between (uname -r )
[00:44] <aeon-ltd> uRock: maybe not mint linux
[00:44] <edbian> aeon-ltd, There is.  Ubuntu with lxde or xfce as the DE
[00:44] <Aliselyn> thanks, messed that up
[00:45] <Gimped> aeon-ltd: DSL (Damn Small Linux) is quite lite =)
[00:45] <BluesKaj> aeon-ltd, i wouldn't call it bloated somuch as more demanding on the hardware and not compatible some older graphics cards
[00:45] <uRock> aeon-ltd, have you tried ubuntu ultimate edition, now that is bloat
[00:45] <KE1HA> copy & paste: sudo apt-get install build-essential && linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[00:46] <aeon-ltd> edbian: not light enough i'm talking about multitasking (with minimal delays on X) with <256mb ram, integrated gpu, and goin back as far as pentium 3
[00:46] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: hard to copy-paste across computers
[00:46] <jessebye> uRock: that's the unfortunate part, I wish I could just use the OS without spending so much time tweaking it. Ubuntu's too heavy, Xubuntu's too clunky, etc. etc. To tell the truth, I miss my Mac (except the whole closed-source thing and nasty Apple practices)
[00:46] <KE1HA> Ahh, SRI
[00:46] <uRock> I am happy with Ubuntu, it is much easier to install than Windows, Debian or Arch, not to say better than
[00:46] <aeon-ltd> uRock: yeah i saw the ultimate edition, it was a vista ubuntu and more
[00:47] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: ok, it's wanting to install them. Let it?
[00:47] <Gimped> jessebye: there are several flavors of linux (you should check them all out)
[00:47] <KE1HA> Yes
[00:47] <uRock> aeon-ltd, when I tested it, it required more than 10GB just to install
[00:47] <tensorpudding> Why do you need to tweak it?
[00:47] <Aliselyn> installing
[00:47] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, it's going to install several items.
[00:47] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: many many errors
[00:48] <jessebye> Gimped: Oh, I have! I've used everything from Debian, Arch, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, to Gentoo, Fedora, SUSE, FreeBSD, NetBSD... the list is endless.
[00:48] <ZykoticK9> KE1HA, so far so good ;)  [nice job btw]
[00:48] <BluesKaj> I have an older pc with ati x200m onboard graphics and even flash isn't running well on some browsers
[00:48] <jessebye> Gimped: None of them really make me very happy.
[00:48] <uRock> jessebye, I'd say build one big command that removes everything you don't want and then adds what you do want
[00:48] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, what are the errors ?
[00:49] <Aliselyn> files not found, KE1HA :\ umm, should I look for them to download, now?
[00:49] <aeon-ltd> uRock: it was insane, obviously the guy who made it had several pcs with 500gb hdd+, a c2d cpu, and 4gb of ram. ridiculous! - the iso builder prob knew nothing about linx's kindness to old  hardware
[00:49] <ZykoticK9> KE1HA, i spoke too soon obviously ;)
[00:49] <KE1HA> Yeah,
[00:49] <aeon-ltd> jessebye: +1 to arch
[00:49] <uRock> aeon-ltd, I dumped it as soon as I seen it, just too much stuff that I would never use
[00:50] <aeon-ltd> uRock: exactly, complete reverse of unix philosophy
[00:50] <Gimped> jessebye: i like Mandriva/BT, i'm thinking trying out gentoo/slackware soon =)
[00:51] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, you can try, you need lib6-dev " lib6c-dev g++ <IP_ADDRESS> or better, make, dpkg-dev that's jsut fer build-essential
[00:51] <uRock> yup
[00:51] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: that's Greek to me
[00:51] <jessebye> Gimped: I haven't tried Mandriva since the days it was Mandrake :-0
[00:51] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, Does this other computer, can it connect to the internet in any  way at all ?
[00:51] <lov255> hello
[00:52] <ConnorCimowsky> hi there
[00:52] <uRock> !hello
[00:52] <edbian> ConnorCimowsky, hello
[00:52] <oka> hi ConnorCimowsky
[00:52] <ConnorCimowsky> is there a way to get support for a powerpc mac in here? :)
[00:52] <uRock> drop a brick on it
[00:52] <uRock> just kidding
[00:52] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: the laptop with the troubles? No. But my computer now, yes (very obviously, else I wouldn't be on IRC)
[00:53] <dagny_taggart> the clock in my panel has stopped.  time is correctly displayed in irssi and firefox.  can i restart the clock applet somehow?
[00:53] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, I understand that one,  how are you connected now, though wireless or wired connection ?
[00:53] <jessebye> aeon-ltd: I really did like Arch, but I felt like I spent way too much time configuring everything. That, and I was getting random hard lockups, which didn't help
[00:53] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: dialup
[00:53] <KE1HA> Your on a Modem Now as well ?
[00:53] <Aliselyn> yes
[00:53] <Oer> there is a unsupported PPC port > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/10.04/release/
[00:54] <ConnorCimowsky> i don't have a functional optical drive
[00:54] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, Oh man, ok, nothing liek a challage ey :-)
[00:54] <ConnorCimowsky> is there any way to get aruond that?
[00:54] <Gimped> ConnorCimowsky: does it deal with linux? if not, doubt it
[00:54] <k5220> well, where i can get appletes for ubuntu 10.04?
[00:54] <Aliselyn> true, true
[00:54] <ConnorCimowsky> i just did a netboot install
[00:54] <ConnorCimowsky> only to find that it installed the server edition
[00:54] <digitalfiz> anyone know of a good program to set timers for like work ours or work sprints?
[00:54] <metalfan_> a proprie... driver from amd is only useable with a specific kernel version? are there any other requirements?
[00:55] <metalfan_> ati i meant
[00:55] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: like I said earlier, I've downloaded dozens of packages, debs, and dependencies to get where I am now, a few more won't hurt too much
[00:55] <Gimped> ConnorCimowsky: ubuntu on a usb might work =D
[00:55] <ConnorCimowsky> powerpc macs don't boot USB :(
[00:55] <ConnorCimowsky> and i even cloned the install ISO to a firewire hard drive
[00:55] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, Agreed, But these are big packages
[00:55] <ConnorCimowsky> with no luck
[00:56] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: how big are we talking?
[00:56] <KE1HA> 50/60 megs at least
[00:56] <Aliselyn> oh no
[00:56] <KE1HA> Linux headers are the problem
[00:56] <edbian> ConnorCimowsky, Ever hear of unetbootin?
[00:56] <Oer> ConnorCimowsky, netboot install again >  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/10.04/release/ubuntu-10.04-desktop-powerpc.iso
[00:57] <Aliselyn> hmm.... might an older version run what I need?
[00:57] <ConnorCimowsky> how do i install that iso through netboot?
[00:57] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, I can tell you what you need to download, pkg per pkg
[00:57] <Oer> ConnorCimowsky, same way you install ubuntu server, as you told us.
[00:58] <ConnorCimowsky> but for ubuntu server, i didn't even have an iso
[00:58] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: ready
[00:58] <ConnorCimowsky> i just put yaboot, yaboo.conf, vmlinux, and initrd.gz on the hard drive
[00:58] <ConnorCimowsky> and then went into openfirmware
[00:58] <ConnorCimowsky> and did boot hd:3, yaboot
[00:58] <ConnorCimowsky> then went through that
[00:58] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, build-essential, libc6-dev, libc-dev, g++, make, dpkg-dev
[00:59] <demonspork> I have an HP ProLiant DL380 G3 server with Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and I am trying to check the status of the hardware raid array. How can I do this
[01:00] <Gimped> jessebye: i sent you a link in pm's, check if you are interested
[01:00] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, This aint gonna work, I for got there's Dependencies for all those packages as well.
[01:00] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, like, libc-bin, debconf, and and and
[01:00] <jessebye> Gimped: thanks
[01:00] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: I can just run those and see what dependencies they need and figure it out from there
[01:01] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, Yes, you can look at each one in Package Manager, and see the deps.
[01:01] <KE1HA> It's allot.
[01:01] <TiK> jsut do it overnight :P
[01:01] <TiK> hopefully you can stay connected
[01:02] <Gimped> Bbl
[01:02] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, the Download time isn't the issue, it's making sure you've got all the deps that you need, and installed in the right order.
[01:02] <Aliselyn> TiK: my internet will stop downloading it after a while, and I'll be eft with a partial file. Besides, 12Mb takes about an hour and a half to load
[01:02] <Aliselyn> ok
[01:02] <Aliselyn> where do I need to start?
[01:03] <TiK> why would it stop
[01:03] <KE1HA> Start with build-essential and pull all those, then for each of those deps, pull there deps.
[01:03] <Aliselyn> TiK: just my ISP being stupid, and the connection running down to a few hundred bits per second
[01:04] <TiK> I use to leave my dialup on for weeks
[01:04] <TiK> time for a new ISP
[01:04] <Aliselyn> TiK: we have, this is the most dependable. also the phone line isn't even 56k, but that's another issue entirely
[01:05] <KE1HA> for linux-headers, your gonna need: coreutils & fileutils + the headers them self for the kernel you ahve.
[01:05] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, if this all works, you get an honorary PhD in Computer Science :-)
[01:05] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: so get build-essential, and get all the dependencies and all their dependencies and so on and so forth until it works?
[01:06] <KE1HA> yes, the two top packages is build-essential and linuk-headers
[01:06] <Aliselyn> KE1HA, no you would :) I'm just observing, you actually understand this
[01:06] <KE1HA> you need to do: unmae -r to find out which linux-headers you need.
[01:06]  * MacAnthony[A] is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes
[01:06] <Aliselyn> now, or later?
[01:06] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, for example, nu uname -r prints this out:
[01:07] <TiK> KE1HA: won't the computer auto.download the right one?
[01:07] <KE1HA> 2.6.32-24-generic
[01:07] <KE1HA> Tik, no she has not conneciton
[01:07] <TiK> o
[01:07] <Jordan_U> !away > MacAnthony[A]
[01:07] <KE1HA> so the headers you need woudl be linux-headers-2.6.32-24
[01:08] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, did you get that ?
[01:08] <TiK> KE1HA: is there any benefit performance wise. compiling your own kernel?
[01:08] <blackMatrix_NY> hi everyone. do you know where I can find the log file for the rhythmbox music player application ?
[01:08] <Aliselyn> hang on
[01:08] <KE1HA> TiK, all this we're doing, is so she can compile the Modem Drver / Kernel Mod so she can get online.
[01:09] <TiK> yes I know
[01:09] <TiK> im asking f I do it
[01:09] <TiK> for y CPU arch. will it increase performance
[01:09] <TiK> my*
[01:09] <KE1HA> jsut do uname -r and add that output to: linux-headers-{uname -r}
[01:09] <Nilos> Having trouble with my wireless connection.I did a "iwconfig" and I see the interface, also it does see the wireless adapter, but whenecver I try to connect I get the message NO DHCPOFFERS RECEIVED
[01:10] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, thats the linux headers you'll need to down load.
[01:10] <MattWB> root      4357 59.7  0.0  26864   520 ?        Rs   Aug14 4356:07 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/checkbox/backend /tmp/checkbox7nNcnZ/input /tmp/checkbox7nNcnZ/output
[01:10] <MattWB>  <--- what is that and why is it using so much cpu?
[01:10] <Aliselyn> I got 2.6.32-21-generic
[01:10] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, so you need linux-headers-2.6.32-21-generic
[01:10] <gasull> Hi.  How do I check what IPs is my computer connecting to?  Thanks.
[01:10] <maco> MattWB: checkbox is the hardware testing program
[01:10] <TiK> MattWB: do you have any other users on your box? what are you running?
[01:11] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, and for Linu-headers, you need Coreutils & Fileutils
[01:11] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: so search for that and download it?
[01:11] <KE1HA> Yes
[01:11] <__ich__> sorry, muss grad mal afk sein 309 mins
[01:11] <MattWB> TiK, no, I don't. And all I'm running is firefox, xchat and pidgin
[01:11] <TiK> kill -9 it and see what happens :P I have no idea
[01:12] <Aliselyn> ok, so also download Coreutils and Fileutils?
[01:12] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, this is why apt-get Install is such a nice thing :-)
[01:12] <MattWB> ok lol
[01:12] <KE1HA> Yes on core + file
[01:12] <KE1HA> then check theirn deps also
[01:12] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: I totally agree, once you can actually get your internet working
[01:12] <Jordan_U> !offline | Aliselyn
[01:12] <Felix00> hi. im using eclipse 3.5 for linux. im trying to install RIM Blackberry API, a popup window is expected to prompt for user and password but instead of that a error says "Unable to read repository at https://www.blackberry.com/Downloads/auth/contactFormPreload.do?code=DC727151E5D55DDE1E950767CF861CA5&dl=C9731C89FBE87985618D78406AE1A89B". It cannot retrieve because it needs authentication. PLEASE help
[01:13] <KE1HA> Jordan_U, Can you help her with that ?? I've not done that before.
[01:13] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: do I also need to dl all the other files you mentioned?
[01:13] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, Jordan_U sen you a mesage, that should help
[01:14] <KE1HA> !offline > Aliselyn
[01:14] <KE1HA> read that PM
[01:14] <Aliselyn> there is none
[01:14] <vitaly> how can i install Intel's graphic accelerated drivers on ubuntu?
[01:14] <vitaly> or enable OpenGL
[01:14] <KE1HA> I need to go for about 30 Minutes, I'll be back in a few.
[01:14] <vitaly> with the intel video card
[01:14] <Aliselyn> ok, thank you KE1HA
[01:14] <KE1HA> !offline > ke1ha
[01:14] <Jordan_U> vitaly: They are installed by default, what problem are you having?
[01:15] <vitaly> no opengl
[01:15] <vitaly> how can i test it?
[01:15] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, Check out that download script, that will save you checking all these packages.
[01:15] <Felix00> vitaly press ALT + F1, login, /etc/init.d/gdm stop ; Xorg -configure;
[01:15] <Jordan_U> vitaly: What is the output of "glxinfo | grep direct"?
[01:15] <KE1HA> Be back in a few.
[01:15] <Felix00> then move your new xorg.conf to /etc/X
[01:16] <Nilos> my wireless adapter cannot detect my wireless network
[01:16] <Felix00> hi. im using eclipse 3.5 for linux. im trying to install RIM Blackberry API, a popup window is expected to prompt for user and password but instead of that a error says "Unable to read repository at https://www.blackberry.com/Downloads/auth/contactFormPreload.do?code=DC727151E5D55DDE1E950767CF861CA5&dl=C9731C89FBE87985618D78406AE1A89B". It cannot retrieve because it needs authentication. PLEASE help
[01:16] <vitaly> ah i don't have glxinfo installed
[01:16] <Jordan_U> Felix00: I doubt that the problem is with X trying to use the wrong driver.
[01:16] <vitaly> ok
[01:17] <Felix00> intel driver comes by default installing Xorg
[01:17] <vitaly> root@luna:~# glxinfo | grep direct
[01:17] <vitaly> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[01:17] <Felix00> have you got DRI enabled in xorg.conf?
[01:17] <Felix00> and check "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE"
[01:17] <Jordan_U> Felix00: I doubt that anything in the xorg.conf will help, Xorg is pretty good at self configuration these days.
[01:18] <Aliselyn>  !offline > Aliselyn
[01:18] <Felix00> not with intel cards
[01:18] <Felix00> since 8.10
[01:18] <Felix00> or 9.04
[01:18] <Felix00> i dont remember
[01:18] <vitaly> hmm
[01:18] <vitaly> nothing with EE in Xorg.0.log
[01:18] <Jordan_U> vitaly: Run that command from a graphical terminal as your normal user, not as root.
[01:18] <vitaly> i can't even find xorg.conf
[01:19] <edbian> vitaly, You don't have one by default.
[01:19] <Jordan_U> vitaly: "glxinfo | grep direct" that is.
[01:19] <Felix00> by default it no exists
[01:19] <edbian> vitaly, It's safe to create one.
[01:19] <vitaly> hm
[01:19] <Felix00> no one can help me with eclipse?
[01:19] <Felix00> hi. im using eclipse 3.5 for linux. im trying to install RIM Blackberry API, a popup window is expected to prompt for user and password but instead of that a error says "Unable to read repository at https://www.blackberry.com/Downloads/auth/contactFormPreload.do?code=DC727151E5D55DDE1E950767CF861CA5&dl=C9731C89FBE87985618D78406AE1A89B". It cannot retrieve because it needs authentication. PLEASE help
[01:19] <FloodBot1> Felix00: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:20] <vitaly> ok
[01:20] <vitaly> loged out
[01:20] <vitaly> loged in
[01:20] <vitaly> works
[01:20] <vitaly> thanks guys
[01:20] <FloodBot1> vitaly: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:20] <Felix00> not at all
[01:20] <vitaly> :)
[01:20] <edbian> vitaly, Excellent! :D
[01:20] <Felix00> now
[01:20] <Felix00> you can tweak your xorg.conf
[01:21] <linux_is_my_hero> good evening everyone
[01:21] <linux_is_my_hero> im having trouble with my usb printer...linux doesnt see it.  but my other ubuntu computers do.
[01:21] <Felix00> enable AIGLX
[01:21] <chkdsk> Is there a difference between ubuntu and xubuntu besides the DE?
[01:21] <Felix00> and DRI and change accelmethod to EXA
[01:22] <edbian> chkdsk, No
[01:22] <git__> anyone here currently using Spice?
[01:22] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: when using the package manager, I can't check some of the packages I need to update.... and idea on what to do?
[01:22] <aeon-ltd> chkdsk: gnome apps changed to xfce apps maybe? nautilus > thunar
[01:22] <SuperMiguel> is there a big difference speed wise between openbox and gnome?? (for a netbook)
[01:22] <Jordan_U> Aliselyn: What happens when you try to check them?
[01:22] <aeon-ltd> SuperMiguel: openbox is lighter on ram and gpu
[01:23] <SuperMiguel> aeon-ltd, is there something lighter than openbox?
[01:23] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: the only options that aren't greyed out are Mark for Removal and Mark for Complete Removal
[01:23] <chkdsk> Out of GNOME/Fluxbox/XFCE/KDE/OpenBox/etc what's the lightest DE you know of?
[01:23] <aeon-ltd> SuperMiguel: some tiling WMs, other *boxes, not using Xorg
[01:23] <edbian> chkdsk, Openbox is the lightest.
[01:23] <Jordan_U> Aliselyn: Is it already installed?
[01:24] <aeon-ltd> chkdsk: ob is not a de though
[01:24] <edbian> chkdsk, But technically it's not a DE.  It's just a window manager.
[01:24] <chkdsk> Is it not?
[01:24] <chkdsk> oh, okay
[01:24] <chkdsk> I've only ever encountered KDE/xfce/GNOME
[01:24] <craigbass1976> I'm about to attempt cloning a drive.  Is dd if=dev/sdxx of=dev/sdyy what I'm looking at?  The new drive is 320g, old one is 300g
[01:24] <Felix00> hi. im using eclipse 3.5 for linux. im trying to install RIM Blackberry API, a popup window is expected to prompt for user and password but instead of that a error says "Unable to read repository at https://www.blackberry.com/Downloads/auth/contactFormPreload.do?code=DC727151E5D55DDE1E950767CF861CA5&dl=C9731C89FBE87985618D78406AE1A89B". It cannot retrieve because it needs authentication. PLEASE help
[01:24] <hylian> every time i log on nickserve still tells me that my nick has been registered, and eveytime i have to give it /msg NickServ identify <password> even though i added that info in xchat, i yiy yiy
[01:25] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: I guess? I'm trying to get them updated (I think) so that I can help get my modem workinf
[01:25] <edbian> chkdsk, Those are all DEs.  You'll find a lot appears to be missing with a window manager.  You have to configure them extensively
[01:25] <aeon-ltd> chkdsk: lxde is a de that uses openbox though
[01:25] <linux_is_my_hero> hylian: is your password right? :-D
[01:25] <aeon-ltd> chkdsk: adding on from edbian you really just need (though not neccessarily) a panel and WM
[01:25] <edbian> chkdsk, True
[01:26] <linux_is_my_hero> chkdsk: have u tried ubuntu themes?
[01:26] <edbian> chkdsk, Technically you don't even need a panel.  But then you rely on key-board shotcuts
[01:26] <craigbass1976> hylian, lemme check my own conf.  I might have the answer
[01:26] <hylian> yes it is, my password is correct, i put it under the nickserve password in xchat, still nothing?
[01:27] <chkdsk> To be honest, I prefer xfce+whatever xubuntu uses for wm
[01:27] <edbian> chkdsk, xfce is a DE so it includes a window manager and a panel.
[01:27] <aeon-ltd> edbian: yeah in ob you can just centre click in empty space to get a list of windows
[01:27] <edbian> chkdsk, I think it uses open box though.  Someone said that?
[01:27] <linux_is_my_hero> hylian: i registered my name in irc then use the same irc nick on all my computers
[01:27] <aeon-ltd> edbian: no lxde uses openbox
[01:27] <edbian> aeon-ltd, Thanks
[01:27] <linux_is_my_hero> hylian: never tried xchat, sorry :-(
[01:27] <chkdsk> xchat is lovely
[01:28] <chkdsk> Using it as we speak
[01:28] <hylian> ok ill figure it out, thanx guys, might be on off a lot, ugh
[01:28] <edbian> chkdsk, as am I
[01:28] <linux_is_my_hero> chkdsk: better than pidgin?
[01:28] <chkdsk> Far better
[01:28] <chkdsk> I hated pidgin for IRC
[01:28] <SuperMiguel> is lubuntu faster than xubuntu???
[01:28] <edbian> SuperMiguel, It'd be a very close call.
[01:28] <Jordan_U> Aliselyn: Can you give a quick overview of your initial problem?
[01:28] <aeon-ltd> SuperMiguel: should be, given its lighter(-ness)
[01:29] <aeon-ltd> SuperMiguel: if you want max speed for ubuntu start with a minimal install and build up from there
[01:29] <edbian> SuperMiguel, If you want max speed from linux try arch or gentoo.
[01:30] <Mogga> what package is idmapd part of?
[01:30] <SuperMiguel> edbian, i hate gentoo
[01:30] <SuperMiguel> edbian, arch faster than ubuntu/debian?
[01:30] <bastid_raZor> !find idmapd
[01:30] <aeon-ltd> SuperMiguel: should be, since its i686 and 64bit only
[01:31] <edbian> SuperMiguel, yeah.  Arch is really fast because you're only running the things you installed and therefore the things you actually use.  Nothing extra.
[01:31] <linux_is_my_hero> what is arch?
[01:31] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: a quick overview might be long, so here it goes: I'm trying to get my modem to work on 10.04. I had to download and unpack and install a lot of different things to get gnome-ppp to work. I have that working, but it doesn't recognize my modem. I need the header files to get my driver's hsfconfig to run. I think that's everything
[01:31] <edbian> aeon-ltd, I don't think arch is 64 bit only.
[01:31] <linux_is_my_hero> <-noob
[01:31] <edbian> linux_is_my_hero, Are you calling yourself a noob?
[01:31] <aeon-ltd> edbian: i686.= 32bit
[01:31] <seekwill> I'm calling linux_is_my_hero a n00b
[01:32] <linux_is_my_hero> edbian: not a chance. but ive heard of so many distros that i just picked one.
[01:32] <edbian> linux_is_my_hero, Arch is a linux distribution.  It's a "roll your own" style distro.  It gives you the linux kernel and a package manager and you build on top of that.
[01:32] <linux_is_my_hero> pickiing a distro of linux is like, picking an assault rifle. they're all good. in their own way.
[01:32] <Jordan_U> Aliselyn: You don't want to update any pacakges then, leave that untill after you have an internet connection. Just install the header packages for the kernel you have installed right now.]
[01:32] <smw> linux_is_my_hero, arch is a non user friendly distro.
[01:32] <linux_is_my_hero> edbian: ill definately try archlinux...:-)
[01:32] <edbian> aeon-ltd, You told Miguel it should be fast because it's i686 and 64 bit only.  That doesn't make sense.
[01:33] <seekwill> i686 vs i386
[01:33] <linux_is_my_hero> edbian: is it faster than ubuntu?
[01:33] <smw> linux_is_my_hero, are you comfortable with the commandline? If not, don't use arch
[01:33] <edbian> linux_is_my_hero, It is faster because you're only running the software you are using.
[01:33] <aeon-ltd> seekwill: thanks
[01:33] <seekwill> edbian: i686 can refer to things like MMX support...
[01:33] <seekwill> :D
[01:33] <edbian> linux_is_my_hero, You could make it slower but installing a million things.
[01:33] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: that's one of the files that the kernel needs, I think..... I'm actually kind of lost on this. too much information at once.
[01:34] <smw> edbian, if he is a self proclaimed n00b, why are you encouraging him to use arch?
[01:34] <linux_is_my_hero> seekwill: what is MMX? i heard of it on the pentium 2 and 3 but i had amd's at the time
[01:34] <linux_is_my_hero> smw: im not a noob.  just not an expert either.
[01:34] <Jordan_U> Aliselyn: Where did you get the drivers you're trying to install?
[01:34] <seekwill> linux_is_my_hero: It makes your computer really fast!!!!
[01:34] <linux_is_my_hero> and i dont have a lot of time, im training a puppy, and i have a time-intensive job, also
[01:34] <edbian> smw, Because a noob should learn?
[01:34] <smw> linux_is_my_hero, are you comfortable with the command line?
[01:35] <linux_is_my_hero> smw: yeah
[01:35] <smw> linux_is_my_hero, go for it :-)
[01:35] <edbian> smw, Why does being a self-proclaimed noob forfeit the right to learn?
[01:35] <maco> !noob
[01:35] <smw> edbian, because I have a different option of what a n00b is than he does apparently :-)
[01:35] <linux_is_my_hero> anyone wanna help me with my printer that ubuntu suddenly wont recognize?
[01:36] <edbian> linux_is_my_hero, arch demands time.  It can be frustrating if you don't know what you're doing.  It's a great way to learn linux though.
[01:36] <edbian> smw,  :)
[01:36] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: I first tried Sony for the drivers to no avail. Then linuxant, then straight from the ubuntu site
[01:36] <linux_is_my_hero> I'm in the navy, so "noob" or "nub" is someone who is brand new.
[01:36] <maco> edbian: if you want to discuss other distros, do it elsewhere. it's not on-topic here, and if people want to learn they will seek knowledge not have it thrust upon them
[01:36] <linux_is_my_hero> im not new to linux, i was kidding.
[01:36] <linux_is_my_hero> edbian: I
[01:36] <linux_is_my_hero> edbian: I
[01:36] <linux_is_my_hero> 'edbian: I'll bet :-)
[01:36] <smw> linux_is_my_hero, go to #archlinux if you want more info.
[01:36] <edbian> maco, noted.
[01:37] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: the one currently being used is from ubuntu directly
[01:37] <linux_is_my_hero> smw: outstanding 8-)
[01:37] <edbian> SuperMiguel, Are you here?
[01:37] <smw> linux_is_my_hero, and for god sakes, use a different name XD
[01:37] <linux_is_my_hero> MARCO!
[01:37] <SuperMiguel> edbian, Yes sir
[01:38] <Jordan_U> Aliselyn: Have you tried going to System > Administration > Hardware Drivers?
[01:38] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: no, I have not, but am now
[01:38] <exbm> hello, Is there a line for for who need help ;P
[01:38] <edbian> SuperMiguel, l-ubuntu or x-ubuntu is not more lightweight for any reason other than what software they're running.  x-ubuntu uses xfce instead of gnome so it is lighter and thus faster.  Ubuntu becomes x-buntu simply by installing and running xfce.
[01:39] <smw> exbm, nope
[01:39] <edbian> SuperMiguel, If you want your system to be fast and lightweight than it doesn't matter what distro you start with nearly as much as what software you run on that computer.
[01:39] <edbian> SuperMiguel, Does this make sense?
[01:39] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system"
[01:40] <edbian> !ask | exbm
[01:40] <ARcan> hi, it seems ubuntu is kernel panicing when i try to connect to my schools wireless, 1) how do i disable wireless n (this has previously solved issues) and 2) how do i debug/get more logs on this?
[01:40] <exbm> well in that case I will just come out with my problem! ubuntu installs and works except it will randomly crash and the screen goes white with diagonal snow stripes
[01:40] <SuperMiguel> edbian, yup
[01:41] <vol7ron> anyone familiar with Eclipse?
[01:41] <Jordan_U> Aliselyn: Ok. I doubt that the jaunty driver will compile in lucid.
[01:42] <smw> vol7ron, there is prob a better place to ask about Eclipse
[01:42] <itsux2bu> ubuntu comes with a C compiler?
[01:43] <TiK> yes dcc
[01:43] <TiK> er
[01:43] <vol7ron> smw: ahh, i'm there
[01:43] <TiK> gcc
[01:43] <FloodBot1> TiK: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:43] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: what do you suggest?
[01:43] <edbian> itsux2bu, the gnu c compiler
[01:43] <vol7ron> smw: thx, for some reason I thought it wasn't active
[01:43] <smw> vol7ron, cool :-).
[01:43] <itsux2bu> so i could write c programs?
[01:43] <edbian> itsux2bu, yes
[01:43] <Jordan_U> Aliselyn: I'm not sure. Do you know the exact model of the modem?
[01:43] <Moon_Doggy> i'm trying to transfer a file through ssh but i get thi error ssh: connect to host server port 22: Connection timed out
[01:43] <Moon_Doggy>   i'm not on port 22
[01:44] <SuperMiguel> edbian, is openbox as lights as it gets before console?
[01:44] <smw> itsux2bu, I think you may want to install build-essential
[01:44] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: yes, it's a CXT AC-Link Modem
[01:44] <edbian> SuperMiguel, "before console? "??
[01:44] <exbm> does anyone know about why ubuntu will crash randomly to a white screen that has diagonal snow accross it?
[01:44] <Jordan_U> Moon_Doggy: What command/options are you using?
[01:45] <Moon_Doggy> Jordan_U, ssh server file > file
[01:45] <TiK> exbm: are you trying to run anything before the crash?
[01:45] <Moon_Doggy> no option
[01:45] <edbian> exbm, I've experienced that problem as well.  That's called instability.  I was never able to narrow it down to one piece of software crashing or something.  Basically the X server is crashing for some reason.
[01:45] <snowrichard> scp is file copy over ssh
[01:45] <Jordan_U> Moon_Doggy: port 22 is used by default, and you probably want to use scp or sftp.
[01:46] <Moon_Doggy> kk i'll look them up
[01:46] <exbm> I am usually running something most of the time is a web browser but also when installing software.. It doesn't seem to crash if you just leave it on the desktop
[01:46] <edbian> exbm, Something is going wrong and causing the X server to crash.  The X server draws the graphical user interface on Ubuntu.
[01:46] <SuperMiguel> edbian, u know what i meant
[01:47] <edbian> SuperMiguel, openbox is very light.  I don't know if there is anything lighter. There are a lot of window managers.  Nothing is lighter than the console alone.
[01:47] <exbm> Could it be a driver isssue? I am not using the proprietary drivers
[01:47] <exbm> This is a fresh install
[01:47] <edbian> exbm, It could be a driver issue.  However the open source drivers are likely to be much more stable.
[01:47] <vol7ron> smw: I was right, no one there is talking
[01:48] <itsux2bu> are there other (open source = free) programming languages i can program.. on the PC side i've done basic, vbasic, '86 assembly, pascal, delphi..
[01:48] <Jordan_U> Aliselyn: Could you pastebin the output of "lspci"? (save it to a file and copy it to another computer if needed).
[01:48] <smw> itsux2bu, go and python
[01:48] <itsux2bu> go is a language?
[01:48] <exbm> Is there anyway to figure out whats going on because I would love to use ubuntu.. but I cant if it is going to be this unstable! I think I should mention I installed the netbook version on a desktop
[01:48] <Jordan_U> itsux2bu: Too many to list.
[01:48] <edbian> itsux2bu, python ftw!
[01:49] <smw> itsux2bu, yeah. It was made by google. golang.org
[01:49] <TiK> exbm: why did you do that?
[01:50] <edbian> exbm, The netbook edition on the desktop really should not be an issue.
[01:50] <itsux2bu> oh.. google huh.. so it must lend itself to searches and ad placements..  lol
[01:50] <rsvp> go is in it's infancy... so from his background stated, it seems Python is the best fit for itsux2bu
[01:50] <edbian> exbm, It's possible that the ubuntu-netbook software is crashing though.  It is rather new.  Perhaps you'd have better success with normal Ubuntu?
[01:50] <TiK> I do java
[01:50] <smw> itsux2bu, no, it lends its self to server programming
[01:50] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: just type that in terminal?
[01:50] <Jordan_U> Aliselyn: Yes.
[01:50] <smw> TiK, java is not "open source as in free" this week :-P
[01:51] <edbian> itsux2bu, ha
[01:51] <ARcan> hi, it seems ubuntu is kernel panicing when i try to connect to my schools wireless, how do i debug/get more logs on this?
[01:51] <TiK> smw: this week?
[01:51] <TiK> huh?
[01:51] <getoo> how do i stop wl driver for loadin instead i want to use b43 , if i modprobe -r wl and modprobe 43 works okay
[01:51] <smw> TiK, lol. People are saying it is not open because oracle is suing google over their use of it
[01:52] <TiK> oh ok
[01:52] <rsvp> Oracle Java is doing evil... taking down fanboys even in OpenJava
[01:52] <Jordan_U> getoo: Disable it in System > Administration > Hardware Drivers
[01:52] <getoo> Jordan_U: thank u
[01:52] <Jordan_U> getoo: You're welcome.
[01:52] <smw> TiK, I actually kind of agree with that :-\
[01:52] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: how do I copy text from terminal?
[01:52] <smw> TiK, I would not use java at this point...
[01:52] <TiK> works for me
[01:52] <TiK> :D
[01:53] <TiK> its what my school offers.. that and crap vb.net
[01:53] <exbm> TiK, I installed the netbook because I liked the simplified desktop
[01:53] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: scratch that, never mind
[01:53] <Jordan_U> Aliselyn: You can run "lspci > Desktop/lspci.txt" to save the output to a file on your desktop. Unfortunately I'm going to need to leave for about an hour.
[01:54] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: I actually have to leave as well, for a bit.... an hour you say? how long will you be on after that?
[01:54] <TiK> exbm: just install a different desktop manager ;)
[01:54] <ARcan> hi, it seems ubuntu lucid is kernel panicing when i try to connect to my schools wireless, how do i debug/get more logs on this? using iwlagn driver on a 4965agn card
[01:54] <ARcan> i have backprots installed
[01:54] <itsux2bu> i'm also does the LAMP thing.. heavy on the PHP, light on the MySQL
[01:55] <RBecker> hey guys, can someone help me out?
[01:55] <RBecker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/589465
[01:55] <itsux2bu> s/does/done
[01:56] <itsux2bu> are flash cookies evil?
[01:57] <phragg> Any wubi users here?
[01:58] <allquixotic> Hi, how do I create an LXC container using libvirt?
[01:58] <smw> itsux2bu, yes flash cookies are evil. Not that anyone knows about them :-)
[01:58] <sammarks14> hi, i have a question about my ubuntu installation
[01:58] <smw> phragg, ask your question and see if anyone knows the answer
[01:59] <smw> !ask | phragg
[01:59] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: are you still here?
[01:59] <phragg> Ah, well my question is already posted on Ubuntu.StackExchange but what I essentially did was install wubi, when I boot it up it says no wubildr.
[02:00] <phragg> except, there is a wubildr in c:/
[02:00] <smw> sammarks14, the ask applies to you too
[02:00] <sammarks14> so i installed ubuntu earlier today (10.04 64 bit), and when i boot it, it randomly freezes after a couple minutes of usage. X Server is not running.
[02:01] <smw> sammarks14, have you tried updating and restarting?
[02:01] <phragg> http://ubuntu.stackexchange.com/questions/2677/partition-windows-7-and-ubuntu-no-wubildr Stack Exchange Question if you are interested.
[02:01] <sammarks14> smw: i can't because it freezes before i can get my wireless adapter working
[02:01] <xaviermdc> start in text mode
[02:01] <smw> sammarks14, can you find a way to plug it in?
[02:02] <smw> sammarks14, I can walk you through text mode if you have internet
[02:02] <sammarks14> okay, i'll start it in text mode and follow the instructions
[02:02] <sammarks14> well, its dual booted on this same computer
[02:02] <sammarks14> let me see if i can find a laptop or something
[02:02] <phragg> Sam, maybe you're having the same issues as me.
[02:02] <sammarks14> phragg: what's your issue?
[02:03] <smw> sammarks14, phrag is having issues with wubi. I don't see the connection :-\.
[02:03] <phragg> I've dual booted ubuntu and windows 7 via wubi. When I installed it, it had gone through fine and told me to restart. When I start up and select ubuntu.
[02:03] <phragg> It's both 64 bit 10.04
[02:03] <sammarks14> no, mine installed fine with wubi
[02:03] <phragg> bah
[02:03] <sammarks14> it just freezes about 3 minutes after startup
[02:03] <sammarks14> even in failsafe GNOME
[02:03] <phragg> Would it do me harm to install the 32 bit version?
[02:04] <smw> phragg, nope
[02:04] <sammarks14> smw: do you think the 32 bit version would make a difference?
[02:04] <smw> sammarks14, 32bit would not help X problems
[02:04] <sammarks14> well, i don't think it's an X problem
[02:04] <sammarks14> does X-server come installed on ubuntu?
[02:05] <sammarks14> i saw some x files, but no config files
[02:05] <smw> sammarks14, yes
[02:05] <sammarks14> hmm
[02:05] <smw> sammarks14, ubuntu does not have X config files
[02:05] <sammarks14> hm, that's not what i wanted to hear...
[02:05] <smw> sammarks14, I believe you can put them in if you want :-)
[02:05] <sammarks14> how would i do that?
[02:05] <sammarks14> by adding xorg.conf?
[02:06] <smw> sammarks14, I really think updating would help
[02:06] <smw> yeah
[02:06] <smw> sammarks14, but I have never done it
[02:06] <phragg> smw, how do you update if you can't get to the update
[02:06] <sammarks14> okay, ill update later, but first, i found this solution online. it says that i need to add: Option "NvAGP" "1" to the bottom of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:07] <git__> anyone has a kvm version of zimbra?
[02:07] <smw> phragg, text only mode. Assuming it is an X problem
[02:07] <sammarks14> should i try that?
[02:07] <sammarks14> smw: in text mode, it ran fine.
[02:07] <root52> Hey all. So man sshd_config says... "After the chroot, sshd(8) changes the working directory to the user's home directory." well that is not what I am seeing. When I did adduser --home /sftp/dropbox/ When I log in to sftp I get put into /sftp not /sftp/dropbox like the man page says. Any thought?
[02:07] <smw> sammarks14, I am explaining it to phragg
[02:07] <sammarks14> okay
[02:09] <babyeater> sammarks14: you can have X probe your video configuration and output a (probably fairly generic) config file by running Xorg -configure
[02:09] <phragg> there's no way through wubi to specify the version you want to install? it automatically gets it based on your CPU?
[02:09] <smw> !X
[02:09] <smw> useless...
[02:09] <sammarks14> smw: okay, i will do as you suggested and report if that worked or not
[02:09] <ARcan> uninstalling backports seem to do the trick
[02:10] <smw> sammarks14, thanks :-)
[02:10] <ARcan> weird thing was i had to install backports to get it to work on my home wireless
[02:10] <ARcan> ubuntu + wireless = :/
[02:10] <ARcan> night
[02:10] <smw> sammarks14, or you can use babyeater's idea
[02:10] <sammarks14> what's that?
[02:10] <smw> ARcan, ubuntu
[02:10] <babyeater>  babyeater: sammarks14: you can have X probe your video configuration and output a (probably fairly generic) config file by running Xorg -configure
[02:10] <phragg> ARcan, i think I spent a whole weekend trying to get ndiswrapper worked properly
[02:10] <sammarks14> oh, yeah
[02:10] <sammarks14> i was going to use that idea
[02:10] <sammarks14> lol
[02:11] <smw> ARcan, ubuntu + wireless = awesome compared to most distros
[02:11] <ARcan> i tend to never use ndiswrapper because once you mention it people say 'i cant help you'
[02:11] <ARcan> *shrug*
[02:11] <Nilos> Wicd won't see my wireless network, but I can see my wireless network when I do an iwlist in terminal.However, it fails to connect
[02:11] <smw> ARcan, I found it strait forward...
[02:12] <Kage> I have a question.  The kubuntu site lead me to on-disk.com as a place to buy the OS on disk.  However I ordered and paid for a DVD over 2 weeks ago, I have not got my disk though the mail, and I am unable to contact them by phone.   Has anyone else had bad dealings with this site?  If so is there a chance they can get black listed so others do not waste money.
[02:12] <smw> Kage, post on the ubuntu forums
[02:13] <ARcan> well, thanks anyways all
[02:13] <Gimped> Kage: sorry to hear; generally, it is safer & easier to download directly from distro sites
[02:14] <smw> Kage, is there a reason you can't download the cd version?
[02:15] <phragg> is there a reason when in grub i'll try to do boot (hd0,0) but says no kernel loaded?
[02:15] <Kage> smw: I have already downloaded it... after it didn't show up for a week I started to download (4 days straight :'( to download).  And I have it now
[02:15] <Kage> smw: I wanted to avoid having to download it due my Internet connection's poor speed
[02:16] <smw> Kage, fair enough. I suggest posting in the forums. The issue is that most people who would check there download the iso :-\
[02:16] <Gimped> Kage: you can usually find a torrent versions online that accommodates internet abnormalities
[02:17] <Kage> Gimped: yes, but again, 4 days of my Internet lagging out I figured it would be faster to have it shipped
[02:17] <Gimped> Kage: you can run the torrent while you sleep and pause it while you work during day
[02:18] <Gimped> Kage: just for future ref =)
[02:18] <Gimped> phragg: sorry not familiar with wubi =/
[02:19] <hylian> how do i put somehting in xchat's status window, since thats the only way nickserve can accept it... this is really dumb, there are already nick and password fields for both server and nickserve in the options... sorry, just mui mui frusttated
[02:19] <phragg> Does wubi generally Stay at 1/3rd download near 40hrs wait..? I could have sworn it was much quicker downloading it the first time >.> perhaps that's why it wno't work.
[02:19] <MaRk-I> hylian: if you mean to "identify" with xchat just edit it in your server configuration
[02:20] <hylian> mark guess what, that doesnt work. nickserve says ooh, um, that nick is already registered. then i type /msg NickServ identify (password) and then it says im identified.
[02:20] <sammarks14> okay, im on another computer
[02:20] <hylian> !nickserve
[02:20] <MaRk-I> hylian: hmm works here
[02:20] <sammarks14> when i typed xorg -config, it told me xorg was not a command
[02:21] <hylian> ubottu can't help me either lol
[02:21] <Gimped> sammarks14: you might have to run it as sudo or root
[02:21] <hylian> !nickserv
[02:21] <sammarks14> i did that too
[02:21] <sammarks14> still didnt work
[02:21] <Zed_> sammarks14: i think its X --configure
[02:22] <gio_gt> hylian: you don't have to set up a password for the IRC server, that's just for FreeNode staff
[02:22] <sammarks14> Zed_ let me try that
[02:22] <MaRk-I> hylian: where do you add the password?
[02:22] <Gimped> sammarks14: sudo X -configure <<< do that
[02:22] <sammarks14> Gimped: will do
[02:22] <hylian> gio i dont know if you are aware of this, but currently if you dont have a password, you cant connect to #ubuntu. it sends you instead to #ubuntu-unregistered or something like that
[02:23] <sammarks14> Fatal Server Error: Server is already active for display 0
[02:23] <babyeater> Xorg
[02:23] <babyeater> case sensitive
[02:23] <babyeater> sammarks14
[02:23] <sammarks14> okay
[02:23] <gio_gt> hylian: what I wanted to say is that you don't have to set a "server" password, you just have to identify using NickServ. I don't remember how you do it in XChat, though. But it's not the server password anyways
[02:23] <sammarks14> babyeater: same error.
[02:24] <sammarks14> Fatal Server error: server is already active for display 0
[02:24] <gio_gt> hylian: I mean, I don't know how you do it automatically on start using XChat, I don't use XChat, but I am searching now
[02:24] <sammarks14> and great
[02:24] <sammarks14> my computer just restarted again
[02:24] <babyeater> sammarks14: ctrl-alt-f7
[02:24] <sammarks14> let me try that
[02:24] <hylian> gio but i identified using xchat's "nickserv password" spot. so what am i doing wrong?
[02:24] <sammarks14> as soon as it gets booted again
[02:24] <babyeater> sammarks14... its telling you that X is running
[02:25] <hylian> i appreciate it gio, but i have searched for an hour.
[02:25] <sammarks14> babyeater: on the xterm screen?
[02:25] <babyeater> sounds like somehow you got to a virtual terminal
[02:25] <gio_gt> hylian: it's the NickServ password, that should be it
[02:25] <hylian> is my problem with xchat and nickserv possibly related to the ubuntu irc problem right now?
[02:25] <hylian> gio tried that, didnt work.
[02:25] <sammarks14> aha
[02:26] <sammarks14> ctrl-alt-f7 brought me to a screen
[02:26] <sammarks14> altough
[02:26] <hylian> gio_gt what do i put in the nickserv password section, just my password right? (i did that, doesnt work)
[02:26] <sammarks14> i didnt wait long enough for the terminal to start apparently
[02:27] <Gimped> sammarks14: thats a TTY screen, run that same command again (sudo X -configure)
[02:27] <sammarks14> well, okay
[02:27] <sammarks14> im sitting at the ubuntu desktop
[02:27] <sammarks14> in a GNOME session
[02:27] <sammarks14> i just pressed ctrl-alt-f7
[02:27] <sammarks14> and nothing happened
[02:28] <gio_gt> hylian: uhmmm strange. I used XChat years ago so unfortunately I don't remember how it works exactly, but it's the nickserv password. Maybe XChat tries to join the channel too soon, when you are not yet registered?
[02:28] <babyeater> sammarks: thats where that would bring you
[02:28] <sammarks14> however, i pressed ctrl-alt-f8 and it brought me to a black screen.
[02:28] <babyeater> exactly
[02:28] <babyeater> do ctrl-alt-f7 and it will bring you back
[02:28] <sammarks14> okay, start over. sorry.
[02:28] <gio_gt> hylian: normally the NickServ identification takes some seconds, and if your IRC client does not wait some seconds before joining the channels it can be a problem.
[02:28] <sammarks14> once i get to the GNOME desktop, i do what?
[02:29] <phragg> waiting for this wubi thing will not do... What do you guys recommend for a Bootable Disc burning software? PowerISO?
[02:29] <gio_gt> hylian: I suggest you try to ask in #xchat
[02:29] <phragg> hylian: what's the issue?
[02:29] <Gimped> phragg: brasero =)
[02:29] <babyeater> sammarks14: if you want to make an x config file, open a terminal and run sudo Xorg -configure
[02:29] <phragg> Gimped: for the Windows environment?
[02:29] <babyeater> or X, whatever
[02:29] <Gimped> phragg: nero =)
[02:30] <sammarks14> okay
[02:30] <phragg> Gimped: a lightweight software
[02:30] <sammarks14> okay, i got x-server turned off
[02:30] <sammarks14> instead
[02:30] <sammarks14> i pressed ctrl+alt+f6
[02:30] <sammarks14> and it brought me to a terminal
[02:30] <Gimped> phragg: hm...sorry lightweight and windows dont work in my vocab =/
[02:30] <hylian> for some reason i have to manually identify myself with nickserv even though that info was already given to xchat.
[02:30] <babyeater> sammarks14 if you're just trying to generate a config file, that's all you should have to do
[02:30] <babyeater> it doesnt matter where you do it
[02:31] <sammarks14> i typed "sudo Xorg -configure"
[02:31] <sammarks14> it came back saying the server is running
[02:31] <hylian> im going to try something, i will be right back
[02:31] <sammarks14> whats the delete command again?
[02:31] <sammarks14> yes, okay, new error
[02:31] <babyeater> sammarks14 ok, go to a terminal (not in gnome) and run sudo stop gdm
[02:32] <sammarks14> okay
[02:32] <sammarks14> it replied with "gdm stop/waiting"
[02:32] <sammarks14> excellent
[02:32] <sammarks14> that worked
[02:32] <sammarks14> it generated a config file now
[02:33] <mastercactapus> i have a quick question: are the repo servers (archive.ubuntu.com) under load or throttling downloads lately? ive been getting 50-150 kb/sec on a 10mbit connection :(
[02:34] <sammarks14> babyeater: it tells me my conf file is at /home/sammarks/xorg.conf.new, should i copy that file to /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[02:35] <sammarks14> and.. my computer has completely frozen again
[02:36] <sammarks14> that leads me to believe its not the graphics
[02:36] <allquixotic> Isn't there any tool I can use (preferably, graphical or web based) that will make bridged networking slightly less of a messy hassle for KVM guests? I hate playing around with brctl blah blah and breaking my host's networking etc.. it's a real pain.
[02:36] <sammarks14> btw, it works with windows 7 without issue
[02:37] <babyeater> sammarks14: sorry, missed the beginning of your problem
[02:37] <sammarks14> okay, so i got it to create a config file
[02:38] <sammarks14> it says its located at /home/sammarks/xorg.conf.new
[02:38] <sammarks14> do i move that to /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[02:38] <sammarks14> and second, when i was working in the terminal, my computer froze
[02:38] <sammarks14> i was not in GNOME
[02:39] <babyeater> sammarks 1: yes 2: are you sure X wasn't running?
[02:40] <sammarks14> #babyeater: well, i stopped the service...
[02:40] <sammarks14> i think
[02:41] <sammarks14> i said "sudo stop gdm"
[02:41] <babyeater> sammarks that should have been enough
[02:41] <sammarks14> it replied with "gdm stop/waiting"
[02:41] <sammarks14> it said "stop/waiting", was there any issue with the "waiting" part?
[02:42] <sammarks14> shouldnt it have just said stop?
[02:42] <babyeater> maybe
[02:42] <coz_> sammarks14,  if you want to be sure try   sudo  /etc/init.d/gdm  stop
[02:42] <sammarks14> okay
[02:42] <sammarks14> it redirected me to sudo service gdm stop
[02:42] <sammarks14> and that said the service was not running
[02:43] <TiK> question: should I recompile my kernel.. will it increase performance?
[02:43] <sammarks14> or really, "stop: unknown instance:"
[02:43] <coz_> sammarks14,  ok then you were successful :)
[02:43] <Gimped> TiK: only recompile if you know what you are absolutely doing, otherwise stick to the defaults
[02:43] <Nilos> I tried to connect using wicd and terminal, and my wireless adapter still cannot get an ip address
[02:44] <TiK> I can recompile a kernel...
[02:44] <sammarks14> well i got a whole bunch of errors when i closed the xorg.conf.new file, so i restarted :P
[02:44] <TiK> that doesnt answer my question thogh
[02:44] <TiK> :(
[02:44] <babyeater> sammarks14 what kind of errors?
[02:45] <sammarks14> something about a restart being required
[02:45] <Gimped> TiK: compiling a kernel may or may not improve performance; it depends on well aligned the kernel is to your hardware
[02:45] <sammarks14> i didnt really pay attention
[02:45] <coz_> sammarks14,  I came in late...what is it that you were trying to do originally/
[02:45] <babyeater> sammarks if you're troubleshooting something, paying attention is usually helpful
[02:45] <babyeater> :)
[02:45] <KE1HA> TiK, short answer yes, but, I would highly suggest doing so in a VM a few times first, and see how that systems reacts until your sure you have what you need  / want.
[02:46] <TiK> why would I do it in a vm?
[02:46] <sammarks14> yeah, lol
[02:46] <TiK> that doesnt make sense to me
[02:46] <sammarks14> well
[02:46] <sammarks14> it saved it this time
[02:46] <babyeater> sammarks i still don't know what your original issue waseither
[02:46] <TiK> KE1HA: doesnt a vm emulate all hardware?
[02:46] <sammarks14> my origional issue was that my ubuntu installation freezes randomly, about 2 minutes after logon
[02:46] <KE1HA> Tik, cuz if it crashes, you have a recovery path that's easy to manage.
[02:46] <TiK> ill just backup my files
[02:46] <sammarks14> the screen does not go black, however, there is no mouse response, no keyboard response, nothing.
[02:47] <TiK> and if it crashes ill copy themback or make anothr grub entery
[02:47] <coz_> sammarks14,   is this a laptop or desktop
[02:47] <TiK> im just chaing 1 option
[02:47] <sammarks14> desktop
[02:47] <TiK> the CPU
[02:47] <sammarks14> 64 bit 10.04 distro of ubuntu
[02:47] <coz_> sammarks14,  ok and you installed ubuntu lucid on this
[02:47] <coz_> sammarks14,  ok
[02:47] <sammarks14> or
[02:47] <sammarks14> it will act as if i hit a reset button sometimes
[02:47] <KE1HA> TiK, :-) ok, there ya go: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[02:48] <sammarks14> the screen goes black, computer restarts
[02:48] <coz_> sammarks14,  first thing I would try is to insert the cd you burned and when the menu appaears...after choosing your languagle....choose the check cd for errors opton
[02:48] <coz_> language
[02:48] <sammarks14> i used wubi
[02:48] <coz_> sammarks14,  oh
[02:48] <coz_> sammarks14,   do you have windows installed on this system right now?
[02:48] <sammarks14> yes
[02:48] <KE1HA> TiK, grub has also changed in 10.04 as well.
[02:48] <coz_> sammarks14,  ok and is there a reason you didnt want to install ubuntu on its own partition?
[02:48] <sammarks14> windows 7 64 bit, functions just fine
[02:49] <sammarks14> would that make a difference?
[02:49] <sammarks14> the same issue happens even when i use a CD i believe
[02:49] <sammarks14> if i can remember correctly
[02:49] <sammarks14> wait
[02:49] <coz_> sammarks14,    well  several things to try first...download and burn the live cd for you system... make sure you burn it at 1x  or as close as possible
[02:49] <sammarks14> the errors came up again
[02:50] <sammarks14> its not really readable
[02:50] <sammarks14> just a bunch of codes
[02:50] <sammarks14> looks like a log
[02:50] <hylian> how very strange, all i had to do was type /server Freenode in the talk box below, and all of a sudden it worked. don't ask me why.
[02:50] <sammarks14> coz_ should i download the 32 bit or 64 bit version?
[02:50] <coz_> sammarks14,  eigher would work
[02:51] <coz_> sammarks14, either
[02:51] <hylian> thanks for the help.
[02:51] <ridin> how much ram
[02:51] <sammarks14> wait
[02:51] <coz_> sammarks14,  but tell me what you have as system memory ....the amount
[02:51] <sammarks14> "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 61s! [rsyslogd:884]"
[02:51] <sammarks14> 4GB DDR2
[02:52] <hylian> where are programs installed? in windows it's relatively easy, because they almost all in c:/program files/(name of program or manufacturer)
[02:52] <coz_> sammarks14,  ok with 32 bit cd and install ubuntu will only see 3.5 gigs of that memory...with 64 bit it will see and use it all
[02:52] <tensorpudding> hylian: /usr/bin is where most executables are
[02:52] <sammarks14> yeah, i knew that from windows
[02:52] <sammarks14> so i should go with 64 bit
[02:52] <coz_> sammarks14,  the functionality will not be diminished if you use 32 bit however
[02:52] <KE1HA> hylian, normally /usr/bin  or /usr/sbin
[02:53] <coz_> sammarks14,  I use 32 bit on my 64 bit system  here
[02:53] <tensorpudding> hylian: Linux filesytem hierarchy is much different than Windows, check out http://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/index.html say
[02:53] <sammarks14> alright
[02:53] <hylian> hey tens, i read once there is a command to tell you where, i think it was an apt command, anyone know what that was? (and thanks for the general infor, that does help a ton)
[02:53] <sammarks14> im going to boot windows and download the 64 bit version
[02:53] <gio_gt> hylian: as the people in #xchat told you, you should really consider using "xchat" instead of "xchat-gnome", they are two different applications, similars but not the same. "xchat" is better than "xchat-gnome".
[02:53] <coz_> sammarks14,  its your choice ... I personally didnt want to deal with any 64 bit issues that might arrise
[02:53] <KE1HA> hylian, use locate, which, whereis etc etc
[02:53] <sammarks14> well, thats true
[02:53] <tensorpudding> hylian: if you want to know where a file with "foo" in the naem is, you can use « locate foo »
[02:53] <gio_gt> hylian: you can check which one you have in Synaptic or in Ubuntu Software Center (or what it was called, anyways)
[02:54] <sammarks14> nvm, ill get 32 bit
[02:54] <turt1e> hylian:  and if for some reason you can't find it there, you can always go to Synaptics package manager,  do a search on the installed program you are looking for and then checking the "properties" on the it.
[02:54] <coz_> sammarks14,   I would be sure the windows install is completely defragged first  if you intend on installing this
[02:54] <hylian> gio_gt i assumed that since i am running gnome, that "xchat gnome" is the front end, am i wrong?
[02:54] <coz_> hylian, gnome xchat essentially sucks
[02:54] <sammarks14> i just defragged last night
[02:54] <coz_> hylian,   regular xchat is far superior
[02:54] <gio_gt> hylian: xchat is better. I never understood why they did xchat-gnome. Just use xchat, it works great in gnome, too.
[02:54] <hylian> ok will do, brb
[02:54] <Gimped> hylian: nope, xchat is a gui in and of itself
[02:54] <turt1e> hylian:  do you mean  the "which" command?
[02:56] <KE1HA> cchat is the original gtk and Gnome_Xchat is the port
[02:56] <KE1HA> xchat
[02:57] <gio_gt> well, I don't use xchat nor xchat-gnome, but that's another story
[02:57] <chkdsk> I tried to install the proprietary nvidia drivers for my graphics card and upon restarting I got a driver error. What should I do, I'm new-ish to linux
[02:57] <sammarks14> coz_ i don't have an option of the speed with the burner i have, but i can verify after burning.
[02:57] <coz_> sammarks14,  ok
[02:57] <coz_> sammarks14,  but when you actuallly run the live cd  choose check cd for errors before doing anything
[02:57] <sammarks14> okay
[02:59] <Nilos> I tried to connect using wicd and terminal, and my wireless adapter still cannot get an ip address
[02:59] <sammarks14> coz_ im also going to uninstall the wubi version.
[03:00] <coz_> sammarks14,  that is a wise decision
[03:00] <sammarks14> lol yeah
[03:00] <coz_> sammarks14,  then defrag  windows  and then start the live cd
[03:00] <sammarks14> coz_ but i just defragged, like, 8 hours ago...
[03:00] <Jordan_U> coz_: Defrag is not required before resizing ntfs.
[03:00] <coz_> sammarks14,  understood
[03:00] <sammarks14> okay
[03:00] <coz_> Jordan_U,  I understand
[03:01] <sammarks14> it is currently verifying the disc
[03:01] <KE1HA> chkdsk, how did you install the NV driver ?
[03:01] <sammarks14> thanks you guys, you're a whole lot of help
[03:01] <chkdsk> When I look into the nvidia X server settings it tells me to use `nvidia-xconfig` as root
[03:02] <coz_> sammarks14,  ok good luck with this ...if after the  check cd for errors on the ubuntu disk passes  you can either play around in the live cd or install it
[03:02] <chkdsk> KE1HA: xubuntu alerted me to a proprietary driver available, so I just installed it after I updated everything else then restarted
[03:02] <sammarks14> okay
[03:02] <sammarks14> coz_ will do
[03:03] <chkdsk> should I just do sudo nvidia-xconfig?
[03:03] <KE1HA> chkdsk, well the current drv is 195.36 which is probably what you installed w/restricted/
[03:04] <KE1HA> but ya need to find whihc was installed previous.
[03:04] <chkdsk> when I booted I was greeted by a black screen with a menu dead centre and a cross shaped curser
[03:04] <chkdsk> How do I find out?
[03:04] <hylian> i am registered, why am i in the unregged channel?
[03:05] <Izinucs> hylian: you're not
[03:05] <sammarks14> coz_ it didn't offer an option to verify contents
[03:05] <chkdsk> KE1HA: How do I find out what I installed previously?
[03:05] <sammarks14> it just jumped straight into the install
[03:05] <KE1HA> Im looking fer that
[03:06] <coz_> sammarks14,  really??  mm thats odd...did you download the live cd or minimal cd
[03:06] <chkdsk> Ah, okay sorry
[03:06] <sammarks14> uh
[03:06] <sammarks14> possibly the minimal cd
[03:06] <sammarks14> no
[03:06] <sammarks14> the live cd
[03:06] <sammarks14> because it offered me the option to try it
[03:06] <hylian> im not, thats what it says on top of xchat, hmm
[03:06] <coz_> sammarks14,   mm what options were avialable on the menu?
[03:06] <TiK> you can verify cd before boot
[03:07] <sammarks14> coz_ it looked like it was going to log me in, but then it showed the install
[03:07] <sammarks14> booted normally
[03:07] <coz_> sammarks14,  when this started did it ask you to choose a language?
[03:07] <sammarks14> yes
[03:07] <coz_> sammarks14, ok and the menu that followed   ...there were no choices?
[03:08] <sammarks14> on the languages menu, there were two choices - try and install.
[03:08] <sammarks14> i clicked install and it proceeded like the normal install
[03:08] <coz_> sammarks14,  ok
[03:08] <hylian> thanks izinucs
[03:09] <KE1HA> chkdsk, you can try to restore the defaults with: sudo update-rc.d -f nvidia-defaults
[03:09] <coz_> sammarks14,  well let it get through this  and see what happens...if the install is successful I think you will be happier...you will eventually come to the partitioning dialog... you want to install it along side window
[03:09] <KE1HA> correction:
[03:09] <KE1HA> sudp update-rc.d nvidia-kernel defaults
[03:09] <sammarks14> alright
[03:10] <KE1HA> or remove it completely with: sudo update-rc.d -f nvidia-kernel remove
[03:10] <chkdsk> "update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/nvidia-kernal: file does not exist"
[03:10] <itsux2bu> i got a background task running.. does ubuntu keep track how long its been running?
[03:10] <sammarks14> yeah, if i can get through the installer without it crashing
[03:10] <sammarks14> hopefully it wont overwrite my windows partition :P
[03:10] <sammarks14> i selected the install side by side feature
[03:10] <sammarks14> it had to resize the windows partition
[03:10] <coz_> sammarks14,  ok then it shouldnt overwrite windows
[03:10] <sammarks14> gives me 51GB, good enough
[03:11] <WillPittenger> Is there a good fstab editor that can add network connections?
[03:11] <Izinucs> WillPittenger: editor? you have to edit fstab by hand.. use gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[03:12] <Izinucs> !mount > WillPittenger
[03:12] <chkdsk> KE1HA: What should I do if I lack the nvidia-kernal files?
[03:13] <hylian> is there an ubuntu appreciation channel, or a like a ubuntu cafe, i can't seem to find it...
[03:13] <coz_> I am going to have to download the live cd to see what has changed :(
[03:13] <coz_> hylian,  mm  there is #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:14] <coz_> hylian,  let me check
[03:14] <sammarks14> coz_ good lord the resizing of the partition takes forever
[03:14] <sammarks14> it's not even at 1% yet.
[03:14] <coz_> sammarks14,  mm  how large is the hard drive?
[03:14] <sammarks14> 320GB
[03:14] <KE1HA> chkdsk, you need to get back to the nouveau driver as that's the defualt I dont use it so Im look'en up how to get you back there.
[03:15] <coz_> sammarks14,  well give it time
[03:15] <sammarks14> yeah, i won't dare touch this lol
[03:15] <Izinucs> hylian: on ubuntuforums.org there's a "cafe" channel or similar
[03:15] <sammarks14> i just move the mouse every so often to make sure it hasnt frozen on me
[03:15] <hylian> Izinucs for the point, thanx man
[03:16] <Izinucs> hylian: np :)
[03:16] <thune3> itsux2bu: start-time and used-processor-time are kept for each process
[03:16] <KE1HA> chkdsk, here's the how-too, it's too much to do line by line here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/NouveauEvaluation
[03:16] <coz_> hylian,  there is #club-ubuntu ... not sure what tha tis
[03:16] <hylian> thanx for looking coz_
[03:17] <hylian> ima check it out
[03:18] <sammarks14> coz_ computer restarted.
[03:18] <coz_> hylian,  are you using xchat?
[03:18] <KE1HA> chkdsk, and acording to this site, to use the NV drivers, you needed ot remove the nou driver first: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[03:18] <coz_> sammarks14,  it restarted?  by itself?
[03:18] <sammarks14> yers.
[03:18] <sammarks14> yes.
[03:18] <sammarks14> in the middle of partitioning
[03:18] <coz_> sammarks14,  mmm that does not sound good   run the live cd again
[03:18] <coz_> sammarks14,   this time choose try
[03:18] <sammarks14> alright
[03:18] <hylian> coz_ yes, but not the xchat-gnome variety
[03:19] <coz_> sammarks14,  then click  the install icon on the desktop
[03:19] <sammarks14> okay
[03:19] <coz_> hylian,  just regular xchat?
[03:20] <coz_> hylian,  if this is regular xcaht ...go to   "Sever" menu    List of channels   type in  ubuntu and search
[03:20] <sammarks14> coz_ okay, im running the installer
[03:20] <sammarks14> from the desktop
[03:20] <sammarks14> nevermind
[03:20] <sammarks14> it restarted again
[03:21] <sammarks14> screen goes black, everyting stops, turns back on.
[03:21] <coz_> ok
[03:21] <hylian> coz- thanks man, and by the way club ubuntu is what i was looking for, thanks
[03:21] <coz_> hylian,  cool
[03:22] <sammarks14> im restarting again, but im beginning to notice a pattern.
[03:22] <coz_> sammarks14,  this should not be restarting just to go to the live cd Desktop
[03:22] <sammarks14> coz_ okay, its booting.
[03:23] <sammarks14> coz_ do you just want me to sit at the desktop?
[03:23] <WillPittenger> Izinucs: Does mount need the directory to already exist?  Or does it want the opposite.
[03:23] <coz_> sammarks14,  well I want to see if it does indeed actually get to the Desktop
[03:23] <sammarks14> okay
[03:23] <sammarks14> i just clicked the try button
[03:23] <coz_> sammarks14,  then you can use the  Install  Icon  that should be there on the desktop
[03:23] <sammarks14> alright
[03:23] <sammarks14> made the startup sound
[03:23] <sammarks14> screen still black
[03:24] <sammarks14> mouse shown
[03:24] <FloodBot1> sammarks14: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:24] <Izinucs> WillPittenger: when you mount something you typically mount it to a location.. create a directory in /media to mount your share to
[03:24] <sammarks14> desktop shown
[03:24] <sammarks14> toolbars shown
[03:24] <coz_> sammarks14,  ok
[03:24] <coz_> ahhhhh
[03:24] <sammarks14> ah
[03:24] <sammarks14> stupid flood
[03:24] <sammarks14> alright, im sitting at the desktop.
[03:24] <coz_> sammarks14,  yeah dont use  enter ...just type long sentences
[03:24] <sammarks14> yeah, lol ill remember that
[03:25] <coz_> sammarks14,  ok there should be an  "Install"  icon there
[03:25] <sammarks14> yes, there is.
[03:25] <sammarks14> computer froze.
[03:25] <coz_> sammarks14,  oooo
[03:25] <sammarks14> randomly. i'm telling you, its completely random.
[03:25] <sammarks14> i didn't even do anything
[03:25] <sammarks14> keyboard and mouse are unresponsive
[03:25] <bastid_raZor> sammarks14: it sounds like you have bad RAM
[03:25] <sammarks14> so should i do a memory check?
[03:26] <sammarks14> i did one in windows and it didn't find any errors.
[03:26] <coz_> sammarks14,  was there a test memory  option in the menu at all?
[03:26] <sammarks14> no
[03:26] <coz_> sammarks14,  where did you download the cd from do you h ave the link?
[03:26] <sammarks14> the main ubuntu.com site.
[03:27] <coz_> ok hold on sammarks14
[03:27] <sammarks14> i agree with bastid_raZor
[03:27] <sammarks14> i think it's my RAM.
[03:27] <bcbc2> sammarks14: when the cd first boots, you'll see a little keyboard icon appear at the bottom. Press any key and you'll get more options to check memory and the CD
[03:27] <sammarks14> okay
[03:27] <bastid_raZor> sammarks14: the fastest way to test is remove a stick then boot. if still havnig issues switch sticks then boot.
[03:27] <Izinucs> sammarks14: if you have two sticks of ram in your computer remove one and see if the problem persists.. if it does swap them and try again
[03:28] <bastid_raZor> the memtesk takes a fair bit of time and just pulling RAM out is much faster
[03:28] <coz_> sammarks14,  ah yes I forgot about that little keyboard icon
[03:28] <coz_> sammarks14,  please hit a key when you reboot to get menu options
[03:28] <sammarks14> okay
[03:28] <sammarks14> im selecting the test memory option
[03:28] <KE1HA> could be temps too.
[03:28] <coz_> sammarks14,  that would first choice  after that choose check cd
[03:29] <sammarks14> id ratherlet the computer test my memory than have to pull it out and unplug all that crap
[03:29] <the_file> hi I am traying to install aircrack
[03:29] <coz_> sammarks14,  well it could me memory... even cpu    I cant tell from this end...but alteast you have the test memory and check cd options to rule these out
[03:29] <the_file> Im trying to install iw-0.9.11
[03:30] <the_file> I get errors
[03:30] <sammarks14> yeah
[03:30] <the_file> http://pastebin.com/SrBiKj0U
[03:30] <sammarks14> it may be the CPU
[03:30] <sammarks14> i have a strong feeling it's the CPU
[03:30] <sammarks14> because when i put in the new CPU, i rubbed thermal paste from the old one onto it
[03:30] <KE1HA> sammarks14, does this problem happen if you sittign in a console screen also ?
[03:30] <coz_> sammarks14,  first thing;'s  first  see what memory test reports
[03:30] <sammarks14> it runs at 74 degrees, even at 100%
[03:30] <sammarks14> so i don't see a problem with it
[03:30] <sammarks14> im currently running the memory test
[03:30] <Aliselyn> KE1HA and Jordan_U: I'm back
[03:31] <KE1HA> Hello Aliselyn
[03:31] <WillPittenger> Izinucs: I thought that md would create a blank directory.  But it can't find any such command.  Is there a way to run a file explorer as root?
[03:31] <Jordan_U> Aliselyn: Do you have the output from lspci?
[03:31] <Aliselyn> yes
[03:31] <sammarks14> oh my
[03:31] <sammarks14> how many tests are there?
[03:32] <headkase314> WillPittenger, use "mkdir" to make a directory in the console.    I thought of sudo dolphin.
[03:32] <Jordan_U> Aliselyn: No.
[03:32] <Jordan_U> !pastebin | Aliselyn
[03:32] <coz_> sammarks14,  well if you mean the memory test ...let it complete
[03:32] <sammarks14> coz_ should i make a forum post?
[03:32] <Aliselyn> how then?
[03:32] <sammarks14> so i can post on it tomorrow morning when it's complete.
[03:32] <coz_> sammarks14,  about what?
[03:32] <sammarks14> this issue
[03:33] <Jordan_U> Aliselyn: See the message from ubottu.
[03:33] <Aliselyn> I meant the url
[03:33] <coz_> sammarks14,  we are not sure what the  issue is yet
[03:33] <sammarks14> okay
[03:33] <sammarks14> nevermind then
[03:33] <thune3> sammarks14: each test in memtest checks all of memory, and the tests get progressively more esoteric as you go along. Any errors will be listed in the blank area. You don't have to let it run all the way, but confidence increases if you do.
[03:33] <sammarks14> okay
[03:33] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/rvWMTcx1
[03:34] <sammarks14> coz_ im just saying, if i have to go, how are we going to continue troubleshooting the problem?
[03:34] <bastid_raZor> sammarks14: so far you have determined nothing. :|
[03:34] <sammarks14> yeah
[03:34] <sammarks14> ive tried multiple things, but really determined nothing
[03:34] <coz_> sammarks14, well  there will be many here who can help  and I know I will most likely be here  tomorrow as will many that are here now :)
[03:34] <sammarks14> okay
[03:35] <sammarks14> this is my first time using this IRC, so im not too sure
[03:35] <sammarks14> i was planning on taking it to geek squad :P
[03:35] <Jordan_U> Aliselyn: I don't see any dial up modem in that output, is this a USB modem?
[03:35] <coz_> sammarks14,  right....well... until we have some idea what the problem is  there is nothing to report :)
[03:35] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: no, there really is a dialup modem
[03:35] <sammarks14> well, i know the symptoms of the problem
[03:36] <coz_> sammarks14,  yes  .... did you search google or the forum for similar reports?
[03:36] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: it's built-in
[03:36] <sammarks14> yes
[03:36] <sammarks14> for 2 days
[03:36] <sammarks14> absolutely nothing.
[03:36] <coz_> sammarks14,  oh !
[03:36] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, what laptpo model is this
[03:36] <KE1HA> laptop
[03:37] <WillPittenger> Izinucs: It works.  Thanks.  One problem: su doesn't work.  I think it might be a password issue.  Is there a default password?
[03:37] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: Sony Vaio Model number PCG-7K1L
[03:37] <Jordan_U> !root | WillPittenger
[03:37] <Izinucs> WillPittenger: su isn't used.. sudo is.. password is the one you log in with.  sudo gives temporary root privilidges for the command you want to initiate
[03:37] <coz_> WillPittenger,  well you can create a root password... with   sudo passwd root    <<, I will get great flack for saying that :)
[03:38] <Random832> WillPittenger: just use sudo, and ignore coz_
[03:38] <coz_> :)
[03:38] <Random832> sudo -s or sudo -i on the off chance you really need a root shell session
[03:38] <Izinucs> coz_: that's the wrong way to do it anyway
[03:39] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: it's an old laptop
[03:39] <itsux2bu> the diff between  sudo -s and sudo -i?
[03:39] <coz_> Izinucs,  mm always worked for me  but  fine   I wont bring it up in the future
[03:39] <Random832> itsux2bu: if you don't know, use -s
[03:39] <sammarks14> coz_ do you think if it was the CPU, it would freeze the memory test as weel?
[03:39] <sammarks14> well*
[03:39] <Izinucs> itsux2bu: the diff is .. jklmnopqr
[03:40] <itsux2bu> oh that was lame
[03:40] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, that's fine, Im just looking for the Modem Options
[03:41] <Izinucs> itsux2bu: but kinda fun :)
[03:41] <sammarks14> coz_ well, im going to go for the night while this works
[03:41] <sammarks14> goodnight all
[03:41] <Izinucs> bb
[03:42] <KE1HA> Jordan_U, Here's the Modem Info: http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu-download.pl?mdl=PCGTR3AP1&upd_id=1387&os_id=7
[03:44] <Nilos> I tried to connect using wicd and terminal, and my wireless adapter still cannot get an ip address
[03:47] <lord_mezry> the flash player installed cannot access my webcam
[03:47] <lord_mezry> how do i update my flash player
[03:47] <syn-ack> it may not be the webcam
[03:47] <syn-ack> rather the flash player
[03:48] <lord_mezry> syn-ack: how do i update the flash player
[03:48] <syn-ack> ok, be that way
[03:48] <syn-ack> lord_mezry: go to Adobe's site.
[03:48] <xangua> how did you install it¿
[03:48] <xangua> lord_mezry*
[03:48] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, I think I found what You need.
[03:48] <lord_mezry> xangua: from my local repo
[03:48] <syn-ack> Then there you go
[03:49] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, what was the output from uname -r again ?
[03:49] <syn-ack> Now, are you going to listen to me, lord_mezry?
[03:49] <lord_mezry> syn-ack: okay
[03:49] <xangua> lord_mezry: are you using a 64bit OS¿
[03:50] <syn-ack> lord_mezry: There'res times, baring what xangua is getting at that something in your distro... a security framework gets a little too happy to lock down somethings
[03:50] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: 2.6.32-21-generic
[03:50] <Nilos> I tried to connect using wicd and terminal, and my wireless adapter still cannot get an ip address
[03:51] <xangua> Nilos: what's wrong with network-manager¿
[03:51] <syn-ack> lord_mezry: can you access your webcam from another app, like Cheese?
[03:51] <xangua> i mean, does it work with it¿ there was some reason to change to wicd¿
[03:52] <lord_mezry> syn-ack: actually i wanted use it for video chat. i have cheese and it works fine
[03:52] <syn-ack> Good good
[03:52] <wea0> What's the reason for having dramatically decreased game performance in wine after updating karmic->lucid?
[03:52] <syn-ack> So we know that apparmors not getting in the way of the device it's self
[03:53] <lord_mezry> syn-ack: actually pidgin does not support video chats in msn
[03:53] <syn-ack> lord_mezry: Have you changed any default apparmor settings?
[03:53] <tucemiux> ok guys so im wondering if there's any utilities that will allow you to monitor the temperature on all sensors available on your machine??
[03:53] <lord_mezry> syn-ack: no i have changed nothing
[03:53] <syn-ack> Good
[03:53] <xangua> tucemiux: lm-sensors ¿
[03:53] <rooks> how to setup default qt colors?
[03:54] <tucemiux> xangua, have you tried in your machine?  does it work? last time I tried i had no success
[03:54] <syn-ack> lord_mezry: now, as xangua asked, are you running the 64 bit release of Ubuntu or the 32 bit?
[03:54] <xangua> rooks: have you tried asking in #kubuntu ¿
[03:54] <lord_mezry> syn-ack: 64 bit
[03:54] <xangua> lord_mezry: that's the problem :S
[03:54] <syn-ack> yep
[03:54] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: may I ask what your solution is?
[03:54] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, Well, the hight the binary compiled modules go is <IP_ADDRESS> so you can try that module, or have a go at compiling it.
[03:54] <lord_mezry> xangua: ??
[03:55] <rooks> xangua, nope, i run ubuntu with some apps that use qt
[03:55] <KE1HA> whopps highest
[03:55] <Aliselyn> oh
[03:55] <lord_mezry> syn-ack:  why??
[03:55] <syn-ack> lord_mezry: I'm going to have to suggest that you downgrade to the 32 bit version since adobe pulled the 64 bit Flashplayer
[03:55] <lord_mezry> syn-ack:  ohh
[03:55] <xangua> rooks: install qt4-qtconfig to make qt apps use your gtk theme or to custom it
[03:55] <syn-ack> and really the 32 bit flash player barely works in the 64 bit release
[03:56] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: where did you find this?
[03:56] <rooks> xangua, thanks
[03:56] <lord_mezry> syn-ack: hmm
[03:56] <lord_mezry> syn-ack: maybe  i will downgrade
[03:56] <syn-ack> lord_mezry: and again really, the opensource flashplayers such beyond belief
[03:56] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/full/archive/hsfmodem-<IP_ADDRESS>full/hsfmodem_<IP_ADDRESS>full_k2.6.31_17_generic_ubuntu_i386.deb.zip
[03:56] <oxidkor> Hello - I have a question - where should I look in the file system where I could find my mozilla firefox's bookmarks?
[03:56] <lord_mezry> syn-ack: xangua thnx
[03:57] <syn-ack> KE1HA: is that still killing PulseAudio like it was?
[03:57] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, then: $ sudo dpkg -i hsfmodem*.deb
[03:57] <KE1HA> syn-ack, no idea, this is a modem issue.
[03:57] <thune3> wea0: you have proprietary drivers installed? did you have wine ppa in karmic but not lucid? (just guessing)
[03:57] <thune3> wea0: ^video drivers
[03:58] <syn-ack> KE1HA: yeah, I know. When I had installed that driver a while back it killed pulse bad
[03:58] <phragg> [Q] Would anyone be able to point me in a direction to locate the module for an HP Pavillion dv6 Wireless driver? Or at least a repository of Modules on Ubuntu 10.04
[03:58] <xangua> oxidkor: /home/youruser/.mozilla/firefox/yourprofile/places.sqlite
[03:58] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, then to check it's installed:  sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf
[03:58] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: Thanks, hope this works
[03:58] <oxidkor> xangua: so thanks
[03:58] <KE1HA> I dont know syn-ack were just trying to get the modem to go, at the moment.
[03:59] <syn-ack> ah
[03:59] <syn-ack> KE1HA: be aware then, that that's something to look for
[03:59] <KE1HA> rr
[03:59] <syn-ack> KE1HA: wont be hard to miss. heh
[03:59] <Aliselyn> will do
[03:59] <wea0> thune3: I have latest nvidia.com drivers (256.44), I have wine 1.3 compiled from source, exact same revision I used before the update.
[03:59] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, if it failes, this its compile time
[04:00] <KE1HA> then it's compile ..
[04:00] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: I hope it doesn't come to that :)
[04:00] <Aliselyn> no worries, I understood you
[04:00] <KE1HA> wea0, 1.3 is Dev right ?
[04:01] <wea0> KE1HA: Yes it is.
[04:01] <KE1HA> 1.1.42 is the latest stable (I think)
[04:01] <oxidkor> xangua: how could I open .sqlite extension?
[04:06] <iluminator101> problem: could not update authority there is a problem with the configuration server there is a problem with the configuration server /usr/lib/libcconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2 exited with status 256
[04:06] <oxidkor> does anyone know how I could open .sqlite extension file?
[04:07] <forester> Hi how can I add to sudo's $PATH? I have the icc compiler installed and put it in the user's path, but I need to do a "sudo make install" and the compiler can not be found. Thanks!
[04:08] <iluminator101> what the short key to logout in ubuntu
[04:09] <KE1HA> iluminator101, try: chmod 775 /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.system
[04:09] <nimbiotics> hello everyone. I'm having issues trying to share a couple of folders with samba in ubuntu 10.04: It just doesnt work. I cant even see myself in the network. Can I please get some help? TIA!
[04:10] <wea0> What's the reason for having dramatically decreased game performance in wine after updating karmic->lucid? (I am using the same wine version as before)
[04:10] <Jordan_U> forester: Easiest way is to run: sudo PATH="/whatever/bin/:$PATH" make install
[04:11] <xangua> !appdb | wea0
[04:12] <xangua> oxidkor: witu OO base¿ why do you need to open fx places¿
[04:12] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: when I ran sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf it said command not found
[04:13] <oxidkor> zangua: I need to backup my firefox bookmarks - that's why...
[04:13] <oxidkor> sorry *xangua
[04:13] <forester> Jordan_U: thanks. Do you know of a more permanent fix?
[04:13] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, was that after: sudo dpkg -i hsfmodem*.deb
[04:13] <Aliselyn> yes
[04:13] <xangua> oxidkor: then just use the bookmarks manager in fx
[04:13] <Aliselyn> oh
[04:14] <oxidkor> xangua: what do you mean by fx?
[04:14] <oxidkor> firefox?
[04:14] <xangua> firefox
[04:14] <oxidkor> oh ok
[04:14] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, try to reboot the system then: sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf    again.
[04:14] <oxidkor> thanks alot
[04:15] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, but first, you did nzip the deb file and iit installed wiht/out errors ?
[04:15] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: it says at the end of running sudo dpkg -i hsfmodem*.deb that "please obtain the appropriate variant of this package for your system or try the generic DEB or tar version
[04:15] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, Ok.
[04:15] <KE1HA> That the Kernel diffrence problem. lets try the generic, then worst case :-) compile.
[04:16] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, heres the generic: http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/full/archive/hsfmodem-<IP_ADDRESS>full/hsfmodem_<IP_ADDRESS>full_k2.6.31_17_generic_ubuntu_i386.deb.zip
[04:17] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: that's the one you sent me before
[04:17] <KE1HA> The TAR version is what we'll have to compile if the generic.deb fails.
[04:17] <Aliselyn> I don't mind compiling
[04:18] <KE1HA> Oh, I sent the generic, Hmmm, I'd recmend the compile, SRI, abt that.
[04:18] <KE1HA> here's the Comiple instructions.: http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/install.php
[04:19] <KE1HA> Method C is the probably the best, but you could try the DEB methind is you want.
[04:20] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, and here's the tar.gz file download: http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/full/archive/hsfmodem-<IP_ADDRESS>full/hsfmodem-<IP_ADDRESS>full.tar.gz
[04:21] <Aliselyn> thanks
[04:21] <Aliselyn> sorry I'm so helpless :)
[04:21] <iluminator101> KE1HA, i was able log in gnome using chown -R to user:user but not home folder was encrypted i cant open it
[04:21] <Tobarja> i'm having a brain fart... what's the cmdline app that runs a command based on stdin plus your format string?
[04:22] <Jordan_U> KE1HA: Aliselyn: Instead of "make install" you probably want to run "make debprecomp" to make a .deb package for your current kernel. .deb packages are easier to remove afterward.
[04:22] <iluminator101> KE1HA,  all this happened b/z apt update did a kernel update and it didnt finish the memory test it stopped in the middle of it....
[04:22] <bastid_raZor> you could even replace make debprecomp with checkinstall
[04:22] <bastid_raZor> !checkinstall
[04:23] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, there's another issue with this also, to get faster than 14.4 speeds, you ahve to buy a License .. :-(
[04:24] <nimbiotics> hello everyone. I'm having issues trying to share a couple of folders with samba in ubuntu 10.04: It just doesnt work. I cant even see myself in the network. Can I please get some help? TIA!
[04:24] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: really? hmm....
[04:24] <Jordan_U> KE1HA: Any idea why the modem isn't showing up in lspci? I think any driver is doomed to fail if the hardware isn't even listed in lspci.
[04:25] <Tobarja> ah ha! xargs
[04:25] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: that might not be a problem so much.... I'm only really connecting at 24k, and it's not even running that fast
[04:26] <KE1HA> iluminator101, Apparently a Bug on this issue, several things have corrected it for different folks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf/+bug/269215
[04:26] <syn-ack> Jordan_U: because it's part of the sound card.
[04:27] <KE1HA> Jordan_U, No, I dont and it is a worry Aliselyn Are you sure the modem is enabled in the BIOS ?
[04:27] <fross> Hey, I got a netgear WNDA3100v2 I have been trying to get it running for a few hours now. I have installed the drivers via ndiswrapper but the device is still not seed in ifconfig. It does show up however when i lsmod
[04:27] <Jordan_U> syn-ack: Ahh, that makes sense.
[04:27] <KE1HA> syn-ack, Ahh, that would be a good reason why.
[04:27] <syn-ack> Jordan_U: you're probably gonna need the same driver Aliselyn had to get if it's a laptop
[04:28] <Jordan_U> syn-ack: I was asking since it didn't show up in what Aliselyn pastebin'd, I don't have the hardware myself.
[04:28] <syn-ack> ah yeah
[04:28] <syn-ack> That's why tho
[04:28] <Aliselyn> KE1HA, it should be
[04:28] <KE1HA> syn-ack, here's her pastebin: http://pastebin.com/rvWMTcx1
[04:28] <Jordan_U> syn-ack: ack :)
[04:28] <Aliselyn> it was working fine on XP
[04:28] <KE1HA> rr
[04:29] <Aliselyn> how do I check in the BIOS?
[04:29] <Jordan_U> Aliselyn: I don't think it's actually a problem. syn-ack explained that it's not showing up in lspci as a modem because it's part of the sound card.
[04:30] <KE1HA> If it was working in Windows, it's enabled Aliselyn
[04:30] <Aliselyn> Jordan_U: I think I remember seeing that somewhere, but passed over it
[04:30] <iluminator101> KE1HA, i was able to log back in to gnome but home directory is empy?
[04:30] <iluminator101> empty?
[04:30] <syn-ack> yeah, mine and 99% of the modems in laptops are like that
[04:31] <KE1HA> iluminator101, did you see the link I sent, there's a bug surrounding this issue.
[04:31] <iluminator101> yea i am looking into it
[04:31] <syn-ack> Aliselyn: Do you really *need* the modem?
[04:31] <KE1HA> iluminator101, that's about the extent of my knowledge to fix it.
[04:31] <Aliselyn> syn-ack: it's my only way of connecting
[04:31] <syn-ack> ah
[04:32] <syn-ack> Then I guess you do
[04:32] <KE1HA> syn-ack, abd before anyone askes, I have no!! Idea how to internet Connection Share w/Modems :-)
[04:32] <Aliselyn> syn-ack: the only other way would be waiting until college starts back up and somehow getting it connected to the shoddy wireless
[04:33] <shawnboy> anybody here ever get Empathy working with audio and video? I'm trying. Have video but no audio.
[04:33] <syn-ack> Aliselyn: Did you use the Scanmodem script they have on their site first?
[04:33] <malfeas> Hello.
[04:34] <malfeas> Is there a PPA for vim 7.3?
[04:34] <Aliselyn> syn-ack: I have
[04:34] <syn-ack> Aliselyn: And it found your chipset?
[04:34] <Aliselyn> I can't remember, let me run it again
[04:35] <k0d3g3ar> ok
[04:35] <Aliselyn> syn-ack: what do I need to look for?
[04:35] <sensae> Hello, I just compiled a shared library corona, and I've  verified it's at /usr/local/lib/libcorona-1.0.2.so. When I try  to run an application depending on this shared library, it  complains it can't find it.
[04:37] <KE1HA> syn-ack, Jst saw this on the site too: ote to Ubuntu Jaunty (9.04), Hardy (8.04) and SUSE (11.0, 11.1) users with HDA modems: Installing the alsa-driver-linuxant package is necessary before installing this driver.
[04:37] <syn-ack> yep
[04:38] <KE1HA> syn-ack, And there's patched for 2.6.29 Kernels !! may, opandora's box this one is.
[04:38] <doctorZeus> If I'm looking at the installation documentation for a piece of software and it doesn't list ubunut or an apt-get, am I safe using the debian package?
[04:39] <gonzolively>  hello all, i have a small favor, i've been looking all over the internet and I've yet to find a way to sucessfully mount my ftp drive (ntfs) with read/write permissions, any advise?
[04:39] <syn-ack> KE1HA: hold on, I'm going to install it myself
[04:40] <doctorZeus> gonzolively: I used this and I had an ntfs drive mounted in no time flat https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[04:40] <KE1HA> doctorZeus, In most cases yes, but not all. Ubuntu is based on Debian so using .deb usually does not cause to much trouble. Updates can be a problem though.
[04:41] <nimbiotics> hello everyone. I'm having issues trying to share a couple of folders with samba in ubuntu 10.04: It just doesnt work. I cant even see myself in the network. Can I please get some help? TIA!
[04:41] <gonzolively> doctorZeus: thanks bro
[04:41] <doctorZeus> np..and thanks ke1ha
[04:43] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: tar -xzf hsfmodem-{version}.tar.gz didn't do anything
[04:44] <Aliselyn> syn-ack: according to the modem data info from scanmodem, what would my chipset info look like?
[04:44] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, what's the actual file name?
[04:45] <Aliselyn> hsfmodem-<IP_ADDRESS>full1.tar.gz (I ran it as that, and just copied what I showed you from linuxant)
[04:46] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, tar -xzf hsfmodem-<IP_ADDRESS>full.tar.gz
[04:46] <nimbiotics> guys, in ubuntu I can switch  between users using ctrl-alt-F7/F8, how can I do this in xubuntu?
[04:46] <syn-ack> Aliselyn: that's probably it then
[04:46] <syn-ack> or
[04:46] <syn-ack> gunzip
[04:46] <syn-ack> ;)
[04:46] <KE1HA> then cd to ./hsf.. .. ..
[04:46] <Aliselyn> gunzip by....
[04:46] <Aliselyn> ?
[04:46] <KE1HA> gunzip works too :-)
[04:46] <syn-ack> KE1HA: you know they have an installer for this?
[04:46] <KE1HA> Yeah, we tried it, and it failed.
[04:47] <KE1HA> but it's not for the Kernel version she has.
[04:47] <fross> Does anyone know a specific dual band N adapter that works well under ubuntu?
[04:47] <KE1HA> its for 31.17
[04:47] <syn-ack> KE1HA: I'm giving that a shot real quick
[04:48] <KE1HA> fross, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[04:48] <Jordan_U> nimbiotics: That should work in Xubuntu as well.
[04:48] <sacarlson> aliselyn:  wow I think I used to use that modem.  I even had a licence for it I paid $14 for the licence.  The only paid software ever on linux.
[04:48] <Aliselyn> sacarlson: seriously?
[04:48] <nimbiotics> Jordan_U: thanks
[04:48] <Jordan_U> nimbiotics: You're welcome.
[04:48] <sacarlson> Aliselyn: I think so
[04:49] <Aliselyn> lucky me
[04:49] <sacarlson> Aliselyn: it was so long ago I wonder how you get the number again.
[04:50] <syn-ack> hrm
[04:50] <KE1HA> sacarlson, Aliselyn Lics: https://www.linuxant.com/store/index.php
[04:50] <nimbiotics> Jordan_U: i dnt use xubuntu, im asking it for someone who doesnt speak english
[04:50] <sacarlson> Aliselyn: I still have the modem in the closet not used anymore
[04:50] <sacarlson> Aliselyn: yes that's the place
[04:50] <Jordan_U> nimbiotics: There are IRC channels for most major languages.
[04:50] <syn-ack> Aliselyn: Did the web installer hang for you too?
[04:50] <sacarlson> Aliselyn: since I no longer use my license I guess I could give it to you.
[04:51] <Jordan_U> !english | nimbiotics
[04:51] <KE1HA> 20 bucks, ontop f all this pain :-)
[04:51] <Aliselyn> sacarlson: you're an angel if you still have it
[04:51] <sacarlson> Aliselyn: last time I used it I think it was hooked to my email address
[04:52] <Aliselyn> and no way of changing the email address?
[04:52] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, send syn-ack a PM, he may be able to help too.
[04:52] <sacarlson> Aliselyn: it required a compile to get it to work.  it also has fax
[04:53] <Aliselyn> syn-ack: web installer? do you mean the deb?
[04:54] <KE1HA> that's where we are at now, the dreaded "compile" stage.
[04:54] <Izinucs> Aliselyn: if you're feeling like something new that "just works" check out http://www.usr.com/products/modem/modem-product.asp?sku=USR5637
[04:54] <Aliselyn> Izinucs: I can't afford that kind of modem, otherwise I'd use one
[04:55] <sacarlson> Aliselyn: wow they have more stuff now I'm not sure how to get the license key for what I already have.
[04:55] <Izinucs> Aliselyn: they use to be $50 but I've seen them on the web for $36
[04:55] <Aliselyn> still more money than I have
[04:56] <nimbiotics> hello everyone. I'm having issues trying to share a couple of folders with samba in ubuntu 10.04: It just doesnt work. I cant even see myself in the network. Can I please get some help? TIA!
[04:56] <sacarlson> Aliselyn: no with the email address they send you a new key file
[04:56] <KE1HA> nimbiotics, what have you tried thus far ?
[04:56] <dexi> Hey all. I turned my computer on today and my theming in metacity (i think) the "appearance" under prefs... It was all reset. As soon as I opened up the settings, most of everything changed back, but some windows are still on the basic blocky grey theme
[04:57] <sacarlson> Aliselyn: why buy when you already have
[04:57] <oxidkor> hello - I was studying the LinuxCBT videos and they are all rpm based - so for instance when I give the command rpm -q man like the instructor says in the video, my lucid box does not give me the correct outcome - what should I do? I dont wanna switch to fedora or red hat just because of that...
[04:58] <KE1HA> install alien
[04:58] <nimbiotics> KE1HA: Honestly, everything I've been told and ive read on the net. Im going nuts already
[04:58] <KE1HA> oxidkor, NVM, tha'ts a converter pkg, that wont emulate RPM sri.
[04:58] <abhijit> Good Motning!
[04:59] <abhijit> ahh
[04:59] <abhijit> Morning*
[04:59] <KE1HA> nimbiotics, so you have Samba sn smbfs installed and running then yes ?
[04:59] <Izinucs> nimbiotics: I had samba working great on 9.10 but 10.04 is giving me headaches
[04:59] <KE1HA> Samba and smbfs
[05:00] <oxidkor> KE1HA: so which command should I give instead rpm -q man for instance in ubuntu?
[05:00] <Izinucs> oxidkor: what is that command suppose to do?
[05:00] <bindi> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1PykOXo2c5I/TGoDeyJ20bI/AAAAAAAAAaA/5Ms5WBZHzv8/s1600/ryan-desktop.png <- what is the name of these widgets?
[05:00] <KE1HA> oxidkor, nvm, it wont wotk, Alien is an RPM package converter.
[05:00] <laptopfreek0> hay guys quick question. When I am at the login screen my mouse works, but as soon as i login it quits working... Any ideas?
[05:00] <chkdsk> Gonna copypaste something from the unregged channel
[05:01] <chkdsk> I'm attempting to run Steam on xfce/wine. Earlier I attempted this and steam worked absolutely perfectly. I didn't have space (using a wubi-install on 10.04) for any of the games (didn't know of symbolic links at the time) so I backed up my files and deleted my install. I then reinstalled ubuntu, reinstalled xfce and worked out wine etc. Now when I try out steam it's incredibly slow and text takes 5 seconds or so to register
[05:01] <oxidkor> KE1HA: so I should install it like sudo apt-get Alien?
[05:02] <KE1HA> oxidkor, if you want to convert RPM packages to .deb, yes that will do it.
[05:02] <laptopfreek0> oxidkor: sudo apt-get install ...
[05:02] <oxidkor> ok
[05:02] <doctorZeus> oxidkor: apt-get and rpm are similar in operation but far different in syntax.. if I were you I would load fedora in a VM
[05:02] <nimbiotics> KE1HA: I think I do, but ive also been having the samba service being stoped And Ive read about windows 7 (my client) stopping the service if not prperoly configured. I've followed the instructions to avoid that too but as of this moment and being a noob as I am, I dont know whats working and whats not. Im very, very, very close to giving up, and going back to xp
[05:02] <doctorZeus> today it's rpm doesn't work tomorrow the directory doesn't exist..etc
[05:02] <doctorZeus> use what the instructor is using
[05:02] <KE1HA> oxidkor, but it's not an RPM emulator, meaning, RPM commands dont translate to .deb commands
[05:02] <oxidkor> doctorZeus: hmmm ok
[05:03] <oxidkor> KE1HA: so you mean that in order to continue learning LinuxCBT based on red-hat , I should install fedora?
[05:03] <Izinucs> oxidkor: easy enough to load up the OS the instructor is using in virtualbox
[05:03] <KE1HA> nimbiotics, have a read of this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1468498
[05:04] <red2kic> bindi: Conky
[05:04] <KE1HA> oxidkor, If you have a Class on a specific Linux Distribution, you should use that distribution, however, you can install VirtualBox in Ubuntu, then use it to install whatever Fedora Distro you need.
[05:04] <nimbiotics> KE1HA: checking it out...
[05:05] <ortsvorsteher> i still have a problem to run sound an my laptop with an hda intel soundcard. is it possible to use the proprietaery driver?
[05:05] <chkdsk> Can anyone help me with my wine/steam problem?
[05:05] <IdleOne> chkdsk: #winehq
[05:06] <oxidkor> KE1HA: thanks alot
[05:06] <KE1HA> welcome
[05:06] <slidinghorn> I have a quick question...if I'm setting up a USB as instructed on the Netbook Edition download page, do I have to use a blank USB stick, or will it work as long as it has 2gb free?
[05:06] <bindi> now what are those addons for Firefox that make it minimalistic
[05:07] <hiku> slidinghorn: blank would be better. so you don't loose any data that may be on the usb stick
[05:07] <sacarlson> Aliselyn: I found my license key I was able to login to linuxant to get it.  not sure if it will work with what you have but if you want to try it pm me.  also try it at 14k first to see if it works to start.
[05:07] <red2kic> slidinghorn: Blank -- It'll use all resources on your USB, I think. 2GB is fine. -- Just make backups first.
[05:07] <Izinucs> slidinghorn: depends.. do those instructions include formatting the usb.. if so then of course the data will go by by
[05:07] <KE1HA> bindi, http://nicht.untergeord.net/wordpress/index.php/2008/04/22/minimalists-firefox-%E2%80%93-gui-tweaks/
[05:07] <Aliselyn> sacarlson: if I get it working on 14k, then I'll pm you about it
[05:07] <slidinghorn> hiku:  red2kic & Izinucs ok...I backed it all up anyway, so I can just clear the stick & put everything back when I'm done
[05:07] <sacarlson> Aliselyn: good plan
[05:08] <KE1HA> +1 on the Aliselyn pna to get it workign first, then pay :-)
[05:08] <Aliselyn> :) thanks, and thanks for offering
[05:08] <KE1HA> Have you compiled the DVR yet ?
[05:08] <bindi> KE1HA: not minifox not available for 3.6.6
[05:09] <ortsvorsteher> i still have a problem to run sound an my laptop with an hda intel soundcard. is it possible to use the proprietaery driver?
[05:09] <KE1HA> bindi, maybe this one: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/215443/
[05:10] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: was the DVR comment directed at me or another?
[05:10] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, Yes, have you compiloed the driver yet ?
[05:10] <KE1HA> *compiled
[05:11] <Aliselyn> umm, how would I used gzip for it, since tar -xzf didn't work?
[05:11] <Aliselyn> *use
[05:12] <KE1HA> gunzip
[05:12] <sacarlson> Aliselyn: wasn't a deb file an option?
[05:12] <Aliselyn> it didn't work
[05:12] <sacarlson> Aliselyn: oh ok didn't see that
[05:12] <KE1HA> sacarlson, no, wrong kernel ver .. it's for 31.17. she's on a later Kernel
[05:12] <sacarlson> KE1HA: oh I thought even the deb compiled
[05:13] <KE1HA> or tar -xzf hsfmodem-<IP_ADDRESS>full.tar.gz should work Aliselyn
[05:14] <KE1HA> either way, it's a compile.
[05:14] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: the tar -xzf hsfmodem-<IP_ADDRESS>full.tar.gz  didn't work
[05:14] <KE1HA> ok, gunzip the file then
[05:15] <sacarlson> Aliselyn: I guess you tried just using nautilus?
[05:15] <KE1HA> If all eles fails, from the file browser, right click, then Extraxt Here :-)
[05:16] <KE1HA> e.g. as sacarlson said, Nautilis :-)
[05:16] <thune3> ortsvorsteher: proprietary drive?. It would help if you described your problem and maybe linked to the output of this script (collects good data about alsa setup and function):  http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh (using "bash alsa-info.sh"), and upload directly or pastebin.
[05:16] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: cannot open, file exists
[05:16] <Aliselyn> sacarlson: nautilus?
[05:17] <sacarlson> Aliselyn: yes as KE1HA said the file browser it name is nautulis in gnome
[05:17] <KE1HA> Places >> Home Folders >> then wherever the file id downloaded too.
[05:18] <KE1HA> is*
[05:18] <KE1HA> Right-Click >> then Extract Here
[05:18] <ldlework> Hi I'm trying to figure out how to use QTile which is a tiling WM. It doesn't work well with gnome really at all. Would anyone have any idea how to use it, and have gnome not startup?
[05:18] <KE1HA> if it complains isn already there, then you've extraxted it alreast
[05:18] <sacarlson> KE1HA: Aliselyn  did she install her kernel header files before she tried the deb file?
[05:18] <KE1HA> already*
[05:18] <ortsvorsteher> thune3, i try to pastebin the whole output from the script
[05:19] <KE1HA> sacarlson, no, we haven't got that far, we we went down that route earlier, but she has to download a buch of stuff.
[05:19] <sacarlson> KE1HA: ok
[05:19] <KE1HA> we need to set up an offline download script for build-essentials and linux-headers for her.
[05:20] <thune3> ortsvorsteher: if you choose Y during running, it will upload it automatically, or it creates a file in /tmp (it tells you at the end). You could pastebin that file.
[05:20] <KE1HA> Earlier, I'd forgotten we could do that and was walking her through checking the Deps :-)
[05:20] <sacarlson> KE1HA: oh ya no network wow.  maybe that's on a cd?
[05:20] <KE1HA> Nope, tried that already too :-)
[05:21] <Aliselyn> hah, classic example of a Catch 22
[05:21] <sacarlson> KE1HA: wow bummer good luck with that then.
[05:21] <KE1HA> But creating the DL scritp is easy, I tested it earlier
[05:21] <KE1HA> Synaptic package Manager dioes it automatically.
[05:22] <ortsvorsteher> thune3, http://paste.ubuntu.com/480770/
[05:22] <sacarlson> KE1HA: well she is talking here maybe on windows send her a tar of what you collect?
[05:22] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, Once your done unpackaing the TAR.GZ file, we'll do the Download Script, it's real easy.
[05:22] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: I'm sorry, how do I use gzip?
[05:23] <stercor> What's the package that puts gcc and a bunch of utilities on Desktop?
[05:23] <KE1HA> sacarlson, Open the Package manager, and select a couple packages, make for install, then Edit >> Generate Download Script, dead easy.
[05:23] <KE1HA> Mark for*
[05:24] <ortsvorsteher> thune3, i ran the script newly , here is the whole output: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=13cb3380907ba9afa27a15bdbc9a62703edb0269
[05:24] <thune3> ldlework: i think you can create an appropriate .desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions/ and it will become an option to select in gdm.
[05:24] <stercor> KE1HA: Amateur radio call sign?
[05:24] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, Places >> Home Folder then browse to the file. Right-Click the File and select Extract here.
[05:24] <thune3> ortsvorsteher: i'm looking it over...
[05:24] <KE1HA> stercor, Yes :-)
[05:24] <wea0> stercor: You mean build-essential?
[05:24] <ldlework> thune3: what if I have gdm autolog me in?
[05:24] <ortsvorsteher> thank you
[05:24] <ldlework> thune3: well I could jst log out
[05:25] <stercor> wea0: I'll check that out.  Thanks.
[05:25] <stercor> KE1HA: W7JIS here.
[05:25] <KE1HA> Im actually KI7MT now :-)
[05:25] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: unzipped
[05:26] <stercor> I was K6AGW  Kissing 6 Absolutely Gorgeous Women.
[05:26] <KE1HA> Ok, On the Machine you need to get the modem working on.
[05:26] <thune3> ldlework: right log out or turn it off.
[05:26] <KE1HA> Open the Package Manager, System >> Administration, Synaptic Package manager
[05:26] <Aliselyn> ok
[05:26] <KE1HA> stercor, That's a Good one.
[05:27] <KE1HA> When you get the PGK MGR program open let me know.
[05:27] <Aliselyn> it's open
[05:27] <KE1HA> Ok, in the search box, type build-essential
[05:28] <thune3> ortsvorsteher: it looks fine. what's the problem? You may have to change Profile in Hardware tab of System->Preferences->Sound.
[05:28] <stercor> wea0:  that's it.
[05:28] <KE1HA> the right click on the package, and mark for installation.
[05:28] <KE1HA> then*
[05:28] <Aliselyn> got that
[05:28] <ortsvorsteher> thune3, yes, all looks well after i installed the latest driver with the script. but, still no sound.
[05:28] <KE1HA> Then, back in the search box, type in linux-headers-2.6.32
[05:29] <stercor> KE1HA: It's installing.
[05:29] <KE1HA> and pick the Linux-Headers you got when you did uname -r
[05:29] <KE1HA> No, we dont want to install.
[05:29] <Gryllida> How do I install Wine? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine says to type 'wine' in software center, then install 'wine'. But I don't see just 'wine' in the search results.
[05:29] <KE1HA> stercor, sri, though you was Aliselyn :-) saying we're installing, we dont wanna do that :-)
[05:29] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: it won't let me select it
[05:30] <KE1HA> which one, the linux headers ?
[05:30] <Aliselyn> yes
[05:30] <stercor> Gryllida: I just sudo apt-get install wine1.2 and it works.
[05:30] <xangua> Gryllida: sudo apt-get install wine
[05:30] <KE1HA> you just right click it, then mark for install.
[05:30] <thune3> ortsvorsteher: do you get sound with this command "speaker-test -c 2 -t wav" ?
[05:31] <KE1HA> I think it should be linux-headers-2.6.32-21-generic
[05:31] <Aliselyn> the only options are Mark for Removal and Mark for Complete Removal
[05:31] <Aliselyn> the others are greyed out
[05:31] <KE1HA> Ok, headers are already installed then, that good.
[05:31] <Aliselyn> what next, then?
[05:32] <KE1HA> Is there a Green Box on the 2.6.32-21
[05:32] <Aliselyn> yes
[05:32] <KE1HA> Ok, there installed.
[05:32] <Aliselyn> both it and the generic
[05:32] <KE1HA> Ok
[05:32] <Gryllida> stercor: xangua: is the package name including '1.2' or not?
[05:32] <Gryllida> !info wine
[05:33] <Gryllida> what is 'dummy package'?
[05:33] <KE1HA> Got to File >> Generate Download Package Script, and save it to your home folder.
[05:33] <ortsvorsteher> thune3, i tried now all profiles under hardware tab, no success... also i tried to play a wav file with aplay, no sound. the speaker-test command is running now... but till now, no sound
[05:33] <stercor> Gryllida: I did wine1.2  I don't know about wine,.
[05:33] <KE1HA> name it somethign You'll remember.
[05:34] <Aliselyn> ok, done
[05:34] <KE1HA> Ok, you need to copy that file to you other computer.
[05:35] <Aliselyn> what do I need to do with it?
[05:35] <thune3> ortsvorsteher: i'm thinking either IEC958 setting in alsamixer/gnome-alsamixer or trying different audio ports. What jack/output are you attempting to get sound from?
[05:35] <KE1HA> on the computer with the Internet correction, make a directory called Modem files or somethign in your home folder, and but that file / script in there.
[05:36] <Aliselyn> done.... not listed as a script though, just as a file
[05:37] <KE1HA> That's ok. now, maks sure it's in a folder by itself.
[05:37] <Aliselyn> all by its lonesome, check
[05:37] <KE1HA> then chmod +x {name_of_file}
[05:37] <KE1HA> name_of_file is whatever you called it.
[05:38] <stercor> Gryllida: I just used wine to install Winamp.
[05:38] <Aliselyn> umm, KE1HA, my computer now is vista, not ubuntu....
[05:38] <KE1HA> The LOL
[05:38] <ortsvorsteher> thune3, in gnome-alsamixer it shows me a realtek ALC1200, the IEC958 is also selected. but the tab names ALC1200
[05:39] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, bummer.
[05:39] <Aliselyn> yeah
[05:39] <KE1HA> I thought this was a Ubuntu system you were on.
[05:39] <Aliselyn> nope
[05:39] <Aliselyn> just the laptop is
[05:39] <KE1HA> Ok, well you'll ahve to fo it manually.
[05:40] <sacarlson> KE1HA:  I was wondering when you would figure that out?
[05:40] <KE1HA> open that file and pastebin it for me real quick.
[05:40] <Aliselyn> I would if I could read it..... but let me get it from the other computer
[05:40] <ortsvorsteher> thune3, ALC1200 is the codec which i found as i tried to figure out which card i really have.
[05:41] <Gryllida> ok, I installed Wine, but it doesn't take .msi file, says 'wine: Bad EXE format'. How can I install this application, if its installer is .msi ?
[05:41] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, then down load this file ( the Binary Zip) and installit.
[05:41] <KE1HA> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/wget.htm
[05:41] <stercor> ortsvorsteher: ALC.  Ah, the memories.  Assembler Language Code for the S/370 mainframe...
[05:41] <thune3> ortsvorsteher: the option there was to de-select IEC958, and try speakertest
[05:42] <Aliselyn> KE1HA, for my desktop?
[05:43] <KE1HA> For your windows box, it's a wget program.
[05:43] <KE1HA> Actually, wate on that.
[05:43] <Aliselyn> hang on, getting the pastebin
[05:43] <KE1HA> Can you pastebin that file for me real quick ?
[05:43] <KE1HA> Ok
[05:43] <ortsvorsteher> thune3, i deselected the IEC in gnome alsamixer and now i try speakertest newly. but still nothing to hear from the speakers
[05:44] <Aliselyn> http://pastebin.com/1UcvVJTP
[05:45] <thune3> ortsvorsteher: how are your speakers connected? which port? sometimes the ports are mangled and you have to use the port called "Front"
[05:45] <pinPoint> I am getting authetication failed when I try to login on sftp with a new user I just created. What could be causing this?
[05:45] <Gryllida> hello?
[05:45] <pinPoint> they have a home dir, they are also at nologin
[05:45] <ortsvorsteher> thune3, the speakers are built in, it is a laptop...
[05:45] <pinPoint> what is causing this issue?
[05:45] <thune3> ortsvorsteher: checking something...
[05:45] <ortsvorsteher> ok
[05:47] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, well we can try this, as it looks like you've got the files you need on the CD.
[05:47] <Aliselyn> KE1HA: it couldn't find the files on the cd
[05:47] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, yo got errors when it made the script ?
[05:48] <Aliselyn> no
[05:48] <Aliselyn> just earlier I tried to get the files off the cd, and it couldn't find them
[05:48] <KE1HA> Ok, no worries, hold one.
[05:49] <koushik> Anyone used WD My Passport Essential 2.5" (ultra portable) HDD on ubuntu ? Does re-formatting it have any impact on the associate "virtual cd partition" ?
[05:52] <oneman> hi
[05:52] <KE1HA> Aliselyn, I think we're stuck.
[05:52] <Aliselyn> ouch
[05:52] <Roasted> I made the mistake of installing KDE on an Ubuntu system. I used puregnome to get rid of it but firefox still has a weird font that KDE switched. any way to change it back?