[02:17] <MK-BB> hi any officials who can help me w/ ubuntu-kr.org domain?
[02:18] <pleia2> MK-BB: what do you need help with?
[02:19] <MK-BB> i'm part of korean locoteam in charge of server..
[02:19] <MK-BB> i need help changing the domain ubuntu-kr.org dns..
[02:20] <MK-BB> who is the person in charge of domains?
[02:21] <pleia2> they are handled by the canonical sysadmins, looking up the documentation now for how to request dns changes
[02:22] <pleia2> MK-BB: ok, you need to submit a GPG signed request to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to get keys to change DNS
[02:22] <pleia2> details are on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoHosting under "Domain Name Service"
[02:26] <MK-BB> thank you
[02:26] <MK-BB> pleia2: is there person here who can take care for us right away? because our forum domain is like completely down and could use help right away
[02:27] <pleia2> MK-BB: the ticket has to be filed, then you can join #canonical-sysadmin to ask if anyone is around to look at it
[02:28] <pleia2> you'll want to give them the ticket number
[02:29] <MK-BB> alrite sounds good
[02:29] <pleia2> good luck :)
[02:29] <MK-BB> thanks
[06:42] <YoBoY> good morning
[08:14] <dholbach> good morning
[08:24] <YoBoY> Bonjour dholbach comment ça va ?
[08:45] <AlanBell> hi all
[08:46] <AlanBell> during our recent election process we discovered that the process wasn't that well defined particularly when we ended up with a single nomination there was a bit of confusion about what to do next
[08:47] <AlanBell> as you shouldn't really make up election processes as you go along we have started to define it in more detail
[08:47] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UUKElectionProcess comments welcome
[08:55] <dholbach> salut YoBoY - ça va bien - et toi? qu'est-ce qui ce passe en France?
[08:56] <YoBoY> plein de choses :D
[08:56] <YoBoY> ça va bien aussi ^^
[08:56] <dholbach> excellent :)
[08:56] <dholbach> YoBoY, tu habite ou en France?
[08:57] <YoBoY> à côté de Paris
[08:59] <dholbach> :)
[12:05] <cjohnston> Ronnie:
[12:05] <cjohnston> ping
[12:05] <Ronnie> pong
[12:05] <cjohnston> im reviewing your url branch
[12:06] <cjohnston> i cant open up global events now
[12:06] <cjohnston> No TeamEvent matches the given query.
[12:06] <Ronnie> cjohnston: ill have alook
[12:07] <cjohnston> while your at it.. do you want to change the global event urls to be pretty urls too?
[12:09] <Ronnie> cjohnston: what do you propose to put in the url @ global?>
[12:10] <cjohnston> /events/ubuntu-global-jam/###/detail
[12:11] <Ronnie> lol, got the problem
[12:11] <cjohnston> check the merge.. theres a couple
[12:12] <cjohnston> also a problem on copying events
[12:12] <cjohnston> and meetings
[12:12] <Ronnie> ill change the global urls and then have a look
[12:13] <cjohnston> ok
[12:13] <YoBoY> stupid quetions : are you planning to talk about LD in the next UDS? to define the next evolutions, the eventual changes in the model, etc... ?
[12:13] <cjohnston> probably
[12:13] <cjohnston> have at the past two
[12:14] <YoBoY> I think all this url pretifier thing should be also talked there to make a sort of url naming convention
[12:15] <cjohnston> you mean an event naming convention?
[12:15] <YoBoY> not only for the events ^^"
[12:15] <cjohnston> im still waiting on the LC to make a team naming convention
[12:16] <cjohnston> (or force the) team naming convention
[12:16] <cjohnston> what else are you referring to
[12:16] <YoBoY> for example, a team URL is : http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-xx
[12:17] <Ronnie> cjohnston: i wait a bit for the global url renaming. putting names in the url can be dangerous, if there is no limitation to the characters used
[12:17] <YoBoY> we could use a simple http://loco.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-xx
[12:17]  * Ronnie would love to see that ;)
[12:17] <cjohnston> YoBoY: they are loco.u.c/teams/<lp-name>
[12:17] <YoBoY> ^^
[12:17] <cjohnston> I could go with that... but  i would ssay skip the ~
[12:18] <cjohnston> thats an lp thing
[12:18] <cjohnston> Ronnie: put a limit on it
[12:18] <YoBoY> yes, just added it to see the link with LP teams naming ^^
[12:18] <cjohnston> plus, thats only for global events, so we only need to worry about the lc for that
[12:19] <Ronnie> cjohnston: therefore i need to do some form checking etc. so ill leave that one open for now. its a bit more complicated. Ill have a look at the errors
[12:19] <cjohnston> ok
[12:21] <cjohnston> Ronnie: could you please comment on bug 720804
[12:21] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 720804 in loco-directory "External links look the same as internal ones (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/720804
[12:21] <YoBoY> but that was just a thought
[12:21] <YoBoY> need to write a blueprint for that ^^"
[12:22] <cjohnston> YoBoY: i dont think so.. Ronnie i think the loco.u.c/team-name would be fairly easy no?
[12:22] <Ronnie> cjohnston: schould not be that hard
[12:23] <Ronnie> cjohnston: altough loco.u.c/~team-name is better i think
[12:23] <cjohnston> I hate the ~
[12:23] <cjohnston> lol
[12:23] <YoBoY> :)
[12:23] <Ronnie>  because we dont have to use the root urls.py for that url
[12:23] <cjohnston> ok
[12:24] <cjohnston> Ronnie: how is the my teams page coming
[12:25] <Ronnie> cjohnston: i need to merges to make it work (twidenash fails because i cant decide de amount of tweets, and it supports only one instance per page)
[12:25] <cjohnston> ic
[12:25] <Ronnie> and the XML Feeds fails
[12:25] <cjohnston> is there a merge waiting for that?
[12:25] <Ronnie> we have to team(event+meetings) feed
[12:25] <Ronnie> cjohnston: for both there is a merge waiting
[12:25] <cjohnston> ok
[12:25] <Ronnie> tiwdentica
[12:26] <cjohnston> whos responsible for that? is it mhall119 ?
[12:26] <Ronnie> yes mhall119 commented on the bug. he wants to separate the code from LD and do an import
[12:27] <cjohnston> gotcha
[12:27] <Ronnie> but thats not possible before bzr-apps is integrated
[12:27]  * cjohnston wonders if we can fix now and seperate later
[12:27] <Ronnie> so, in my opinion, we could do the merge now (if approved) and serparate later
[12:27] <Ronnie> same tought ;)
[12:27] <cjohnston> cause it would be REALLY cool to push the my teams page with the top-nav
[12:28] <Ronnie> atm the old twitter script is shipped with LD too
[12:28] <Ronnie> yes, the my-teams is really awsome to have
[12:29] <Ronnie> YoBoY: any suggestions for the url "my-teams" >
[12:29] <cjohnston> loco.u.c/+me
[12:29] <YoBoY> hum... http://loco.ubuntu.com/my-teams ? ^^"
[12:30] <YoBoY> cjohnston: you don't like the ~ but you like the + ? :D
[12:30] <cjohnston> no
[12:30] <cjohnston> but if we are doing one we might as well do both
[12:30] <cjohnston> effie_jayx: ping
[12:30] <Ronnie> cjohnston: im thinking about a total new url design
[12:30] <YoBoY> I like the + when it point to a function that change a page, for exemple +edit +detail +subscribe
[12:31] <cjohnston> +me is used by lp iirc
[12:31] <cjohnston> Ronnie: /66
[12:31] <cjohnston> nm Ronnie
[12:32] <Ronnie> now we have l.u.c/events/<team> and l.u.c/meetings/team and l.u.c/team
[12:32] <Ronnie> why not having l.u.c/<team> l.u.c/<team>/meetings and l.u.c/<team>/events
[12:32] <cjohnston> change to l.u.c/team/*
[12:33] <YoBoY> in launchpad, my teams is +particpation
[12:33] <cjohnston> short = sweet
[12:34] <YoBoY> +1 ronnie, having the team name in the first place is great
[12:34] <cjohnston> Daviey: any chance you could delete https://code.launchpad.net/~davewalker/loco-directory/542367
[12:35] <cjohnston> Ronnie mhall119 I want to clean up the branch list.. its getting huge again
[12:35] <Ronnie> cjohnston: good idea
[12:36] <Daviey> cjohnston, Was that merged?
[12:37] <cjohnston> Daviey: i dont think so
[12:37] <Daviey> shrug
[12:37] <Daviey> it's depreciated now tho, isn't it?
[12:37] <cjohnston> id think so
[12:37] <cjohnston> the bug is fix released
[12:38] <Daviey> yeah, looks like you worked on it aswell
[12:38] <Daviey> deleted
[12:38] <cjohnston> ty sir
[12:38] <Daviey> np
[12:39] <cjohnston> Ronnie: could you please delete https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/top-nav
[12:40] <Ronnie> sure
[12:40] <cjohnston> ty
[12:42] <cjohnston> Ronnie: if you could when you get time go through your branches and see what may need to be updated to push or delete :-)
[12:42] <cjohnston> im doing that with mine and determined that i found one that should've be propsed but never was
[12:42] <cjohnston> :-/
[12:49] <Ronnie> deleted 2 branches
[12:49] <Ronnie> about the other 2 im not sure, maybe usefull for the future
[12:50] <Ronnie> so ill keep them
[12:50] <Ronnie> one is a map with all the loco's on it, the other a link between loco and ld, so loco can change users information on LP
[12:54] <Ronnie> cjohnston: do you have any information on this: http://loco.ubuntu.com/jsi18n
[12:56] <effie_jayx> cjohnston: pong?
[12:57] <effie_jayx> be back ;)
[12:57] <cjohnston> looks like what would determine if a word should be singular or plural.. maybe mhall119 knows more
[12:57] <cjohnston> effie_jayx: could you go through your branches for loco-directory and determine if they need to be updated or if they are no longer relevent delete them please?
[12:57] <cjohnston> https://code.launchpad.net/loco-directory
[13:07] <YoBoY> Ronnie: when you are not in english, it's full of date string translations
[13:07] <YoBoY> example:
[13:07] <YoBoY> catalog['January February March April May June July August September October November December'] = 'Janvier F\u00e9vrier Mars Avril Mai Juin Juillet Ao\u00fbt Septembre Octobre Novembre D\u00e9cembre';
[13:07] <YoBoY> catalog['Midnight'] = 'Minuit';
[13:07] <Ronnie> YoBoY: i see, but how to fill it, and were it is used in the javascript?
[13:07] <YoBoY> don't know :D
[13:09] <Ronnie> YoBoY: i guess it isn't used
[13:10] <Ronnie> grep -R gettext media/ and grep -R gettext templates/ gives no result
[13:12] <cjohnston> effie-jayx: did you see what i posted
[13:14] <effie-jayx> mmm just woke up :)
[13:14] <effie-jayx> planet ubuntu?
[13:14] <effie-jayx> i'm going
[13:15] <Ronnie> YoBoY, cjohnston: looks like its the translation of the django admin interface
[13:15] <effie-jayx> email
[13:15] <cjohnston> effie-jayx: 08.56.35 < cjohnston> looks like what would determine if a word should be singular or plural.. maybe mhall119 knows more
[13:15] <cjohnston> 08.57.00 < cjohnston> effie_jayx: could you go through your branches for loco-directory and determine if they need to be updated or if they are no longer relevent  delete them please?
[13:15] <cjohnston> 08.57.14 < cjohnston> https://code.launchpad.net/loco-directory
[13:16] <effie-jayx> cjohnston: I think they are old
[13:16] <effie-jayx> a year old maybe
[13:16] <cjohnston> I think so as well
[13:16] <effie-jayx> the are not relevant
[13:16] <cjohnston> we dont have access to delete them though.. and are trying to clean up the list
[13:16] <effie-jayx> ok
[13:16] <effie-jayx> I will do so now
[13:16] <cjohnston> thanks
[13:17] <effie-jayx> amnd I am sorry I could ot be of any more helpe there
[13:21] <cjohnston> no prob.. your welcome to come back and get involced!
[13:21] <cjohnston> involved
[13:23] <effie-jayx> cjohnston: thanks :), all branches gone. There was some good stuff there but merging would be too painful. better off chcking and seeing if it makes sense today
[13:24] <cjohnston> ok
[13:24] <cjohnston> ty
[13:24] <cjohnston> Ronnie: were you able to find the bug?
[13:25] <Ronnie> cjohnston: fixing it now. forgot the replace the HttpResponseRedirect links
[13:25] <Ronnie> didnt test them either, just clicked a lot of pages, but no sumbit
[13:25] <cjohnston> sweet
[13:25] <cjohnston> i was about to click approve then went.. hmm.. lemme try it
[13:29] <effie-jayx> I am also fixing the tuno branch on launchpad, register the project and al that
[13:30] <effie-jayx> we should talk about how best you see this code working for LD
[13:30] <effie-jayx> when would you trigger a dent/tweet (for now)
[13:30] <effie-jayx> like for example.. tweet upon event creation?
[13:30] <cjohnston> that would be cool
[13:31] <effie-jayx> wat other cases?
[13:31] <cjohnston> i think reminders might be too much
[13:31] <mhall119> meeting announcements
[13:31] <cjohnston> maybe global event reminders
[13:31] <effie-jayx> cjohnston: they work
[13:32] <effie-jayx> they ae spammy but they get people
[13:32] <effie-jayx> mhall119: good one
[13:32]  * effie-jayx takes notes
[13:32] <mhall119> I think havving it in summit might be nice too
[13:33] <effie-jayx> tweet about random events and teams
[13:34] <effie-jayx> it's LD reaching out rather than leaving settings for anoucements per event per team
[13:34] <effie-jayx> to users
[13:34] <effie-jayx> overwhelming
[13:37] <Ronnie> cjohnston: the updated branch is pushed
[13:37] <effie-jayx> this room has been hijacked for LD development for the last 2 years :)
[13:38] <effie-jayx> cool thing bikesheding didn't happen
[13:39] <cjohnston> effie-jayx: at least LD is for locoteams
[13:39] <effie-jayx> yeah :)
[13:40] <effie-jayx> just saying nobody has complained for two years :)
[13:48] <cjohnston> I'll start complaining
[13:48] <cjohnston> heh
[14:06] <cjohnston> mhall119: what do you think about committing the twidentica stuff and moving it over later when you have more time
[14:08] <cjohnston> Ronnie: could you please move lp:~ronnie.vd.c/ubuntu-website/django-forms to community-webthemes
[14:09] <Ronnie> sure
[14:12] <Ronnie> cjohnston: how to do that easly?
[14:12] <cjohnston> just push it to lp:~ronnie.vd.c/ubuntu-community-webthemes/XXXXX
[14:12] <Ronnie> and then delete the old one?
[14:12] <cjohnston> yup
[14:17] <Ronnie> i need to cleanup my local repo ;)
[14:19] <YoBoY> Ronnie: rm -rf / ? :)
[14:19] <Ronnie> yup ;)
[14:27] <mhall119> cjohnston: are you getting a new release ready to go?
[14:27] <cjohnston> Ronnie: what is https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/ubuntu-community-webthemes/tables for
[14:28] <cjohnston> mhall119: no.. just trying to get things ready to get a new release.. since Ronnie is stuck right now
[14:28] <Ronnie> basic table styling (as written in the web-guidelines PDF on design.canonical.com)
[14:28] <mhall119> do you want me to get bzr-apps setup for LD?
[14:29] <cjohnston> If you have time that'd be greaaat
[14:32] <cjohnston> Ronnie: is it required for the form base styling or seperate
[14:32] <Ronnie> its separate
[14:32] <cjohnston> ok
[14:33] <Ronnie> the forms is for the django-branch, the tables is for the base
[14:33] <cjohnston> ahh
[14:33] <Ronnie> if the forms it taken into django- and tested well, ill make a base version of it
[14:33] <cjohnston> ok
[14:33] <mhall119> Ronnie: is your twidenash stuff on the twidenash trunk?
[14:34] <Ronnie> mhall119: yes version 2.0
[14:36] <Ronnie> cjohnston: the django-forms should be release with lp:~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/form-base-styling (which have the LD specific changes to the forms)
[14:38] <cjohnston> Ronnie: im noticing a bunch of issues
[14:39] <Ronnie> cjohnston: on which branch, and what issues ?
[14:40] <cjohnston> im uploading images
[14:40] <Ronnie> oke
[14:40] <cjohnston> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2494160/Footer.png
[14:40] <cjohnston> The copyright info now wrapps
[14:40] <cjohnston> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2494160/Event%20Page.png
[14:41] <cjohnston> the misalignments
[14:41] <Ronnie> oh, i need to make some exceptions for the searchbox and language chooser
[14:41] <cjohnston> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2494160/Team%20page.png
[14:41] <cjohnston> misalignments
[14:42] <Ronnie> thats a very stange one
[14:42] <mhall119> are we ready to include the top-nav revision of ubuntu_website?
[14:42] <mhall119> or is there still work to be done on that?
[14:42] <cjohnston> I believe its ready
[14:42] <Ronnie> cjohnston: top-nav is ready, is it?
[14:43] <mhall119> is the LD code ready to display proper username login/logout links?
[14:44] <mhall119> Ronnie: how about the new twidenash stuff, has the LD side of that been merged yet?
[14:44] <Ronnie> mhall119: login/logout works correct
[14:44] <cjohnston> mhall119: if you look at those links, i think youll seew what your asking
[14:45] <Ronnie> mhall119: twidenash LD part is all in here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/twidentica/+merge/51626
[14:48] <mhall119> Ronnie: thanks
[14:52] <mhall119> Ronnie: should there be any references to "twidentica" left?
[14:52] <Ronnie> mhall119: you can do a search for it, but if you find one, it should be removed
[14:54] <mhall119> ok, there's on in global_event_detail_inc.html
[14:54] <mhall119> and also on jquery-twidenash.js line 41
[14:55] <mhall119> also, my top-nav is gray not white
[14:55] <Ronnie> cjohnston: the error on the page were created by the wrong use of label :(
[14:55] <cjohnston> Ronnie: gotcha
[14:55] <cjohnston> mhall119: its fixed.. you may still be pulling from ubuntu-website-themes
[14:56] <mhall119> ah yes, I probably am, what's the new one
[14:56] <Ronnie> using <label> in <table> in not good :(
[14:56] <cjohnston> ubuntu-community-webthemes
[14:57] <mhall119> still light-django-theme?
[14:57] <cjohnston> ya
[14:57] <cjohnston> iirc that has been comitted to trunk
[14:57] <cjohnston> bbiab
[15:04] <YoBoY> arg stop acronyms
[15:04] <YoBoY> ^^
[15:11] <mhall119> cjohnston and Ronnie: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/loco-directory/bzr-apps-upgrades/+merge/54010
[15:12] <mhall119> cjohnston: in order to get bzr-apps setup, we'll need IS to run ./manage.py init-ld again
[15:13] <mhall119> and every deployment after that, they'll need to run ./manage.py pullapps
[15:14] <mhall119> I've added the pullapps line to the ReleaseProcess wiki page
[15:25] <Ronnie> cjohnston: i have to go
[15:25] <Ronnie> forms fixes are submitted
[15:25] <Ronnie> https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/form-base-styling/+merge/53174
[15:25] <Ronnie> https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/ubuntu-community-webthemes/django-forms/+merge/53998
[15:35] <YoBoY> dholbach: great post :)
[15:35] <dholbach> thanks YoBoY
[16:09] <mhall119> yay, my passport is here!
[16:13] <nigelb> ]o/
[16:13] <nigelb> darn
[16:13] <nigelb> this means no kicking.
[16:15] <mhall119> there's always cjohnston
[16:19] <nigelb> heh, yes
[20:12] <mhall119> one set of django-openid-auth tests done
[21:09] <cjohnston> Ronnie: have you pushed fixes to the to forms branches
[21:25] <mhall119> cjohnston: have you had a chance to test my bzr-apps branch?
[21:25] <cjohnston> mhall119: no... combo of waiting on his branch since im in the middle of testing it and working on homework
[21:25] <mhall119> ok
[21:25] <cjohnston> after dinner ill revert his out and test yours
[21:29] <mhall119> cool, remember to run init-ld first
[21:46] <cjohnston> mhall119: http://paste.ubuntu.com/582263/
[21:47] <cjohnston> i think that the twidendash should be ubuntu-django-foundations no?
[21:55] <mhall119> cjohnston: it's not really django-specific though
[21:55] <cjohnston> im talking about the lp:
[21:55] <cjohnston> it doesnt seem to be found at ~django-foundations-dev/twidenash
[21:55] <cjohnston> or is it twidendash
[21:56] <cjohnston> i dunno
[21:56] <mhall119> are you talking about "Destination branch not found"?
[21:56] <cjohnston> ya
[21:56] <mhall119> that just means you didn't have a local branch of twidenash, so it made one for you
[21:56] <cjohnston> o
[21:57] <cjohnston> why does pulling bzr apps: not show anything afterwards
[21:57] <mhall119> I dunno, the print statement comes first, but it's being buffered or something until after the pulling is finished
[21:58] <mhall119> yuor pastebin looks like everything ran fine though
[22:08] <Ronnie> cjohnston: yes, forms branch is ready
[22:09] <Ronnie> mhall119: ill have a look at the bzr apps merge
[22:10] <mhall119> Ronnie: thanks, the more testing the better
[22:10] <mhall119> like I told cjohnston, make sure you run init-ld
[22:11] <Ronnie> thx, i was looking for the command to download the branches ;)
[22:12] <cjohnston> mhall119: for some reason, on the main page, i have 4 tweets from 200+days ago
[22:12] <mhall119> the command is pullapps, but it won't work until you have bzr-apps branched locally.  init-ld will branch bzr-apps if you don't have it, then it calls pullapps
[22:12] <cjohnston> all from locodir
[22:12] <mhall119> cjohnston: I got that at first too, refresh it again in a couple minutes and see if you get more
[22:12] <cjohnston> team pages are not pulling up
[22:13] <cjohnston> just get a page of dots
[22:14] <Ronnie> cjohnston: CTRL+F5 sometimes helps
[22:14] <cjohnston> ive refreshed about a dozen times
[22:14] <mhall119> hmmm, ubuntu-us-florida shows up for me, but not ubuntu-uk
[22:14] <cjohnston> ah hah
[22:14] <cjohnston> i have that as well
[22:15] <mhall119> doh, Ronnie forgot to close a <script> tag
[22:16] <Ronnie> mhall119: that could be a tricky one
[22:16] <Ronnie> and i think i know why it behaves that way
[22:17] <cjohnston> mhall119: so do we have to update this each time we want to pull a new version of something
[22:18] <Ronnie> mhall119: you have to switch line 74 and 75
[22:25] <mhall119> fixed in rev 427 of bzr-apps-upgrades
[22:26] <Ronnie> mhall119: got another one
[22:26] <Ronnie> line 24 of that template
[22:26] <Ronnie> <script type="text/javascript" src="{{MEDIA_URL}}js/twidenash/jquery-twidenash.js"></script>
[22:26] <Ronnie> should below the {% endif %}
[22:26] <mhall119> yeah, got that too
[22:26] <Ronnie> nice
[22:30] <Ronnie> mhall119: dont know why, but twitter does not replay any results
[22:30] <Ronnie> reply*
[22:31] <Ronnie> but if i copy the url in the brower, i get json response
[23:22] <trinikrono> hey guys
[23:32] <mhall119> hi trinikrono


[02:12] <mhall119> pleia2: I've updated the prep document with links to all the UOS sessions
[02:16] <mhall119> just titles and links
[02:22] <pleia2> mhall119: thanks, I'll see what I can do with that
[02:22] <pleia2> the links can't be embedded like that, since we copy it into a wiki
[02:22] <pleia2> the first three links are the key bits that we needed, I'll find someone to write a summary
[02:23] <pleia2> probably best just to link to http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/all/ for the rest
[03:15] <mhall119> pleia2: would something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/13121219/ work for you?
[03:23] <pleia2> mhall119: no, it's still too many links, I really just wanted a simple summary of the key sections and then a link to all the sources
[03:24] <pleia2> and fwiw wiki syntax wise, we don't embed links even in wiki syntax, if you look at past newsletters all the links are bare because we export it to a bunch of different formats
[03:25] <pleia2> mhall119: I put a skeleton in the doc with an idea of what we need
[03:26] <mhall119> pleia2: gotcha
[03:38] <mhall119> pleia2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13121423/ will produce http://paste.ubuntu.com/13121443/
[03:38] <mhall119> for any event in summit
[07:50] <dholbach> good morning
[08:28] <popey> morning!
[08:28] <dholbach> hey popey
[08:28] <popey> heya
[08:28] <popey> \o/ friday
[08:29] <dholbach> popey, do you already know what "improve ubuntuonair, get proposal" is going to be about=?
[08:29] <popey> hah
[08:29] <popey> you stopped typing part way through?
[08:30] <popey> dpm said we need to write a proposal (mike is assigned to that bit) for improving UOA
[08:31] <dholbach> no, I just read the notes - I didn't want to watch the entire session :)
[08:32] <popey> ah
[09:03] <dholbach> hey hey davidcalle
[09:04] <davidcalle> dholbach, o/
[09:04] <dholbach> davidcalle, can we maybe land the link-fixing MP and then look at the update later on? :)
[09:05] <davidcalle> dholbach, +1
[09:05] <dholbach> cool
[09:12] <popey> hey hey
[09:12] <popey> morning davidcalle
[09:25] <davidcalle> morning popey o/
[09:25] <davidcalle> dholbach, hmm, you have based your link fixing branch on the django upgrade branch?
[09:26] <dholbach> davidcalle, not that I know of
[09:27] <davidcalle> dholbach, yeah, apparently not, not sure what's going on with my setup... /me tries again
[09:33] <davidcalle> dholbach, can you pull a fresh version of lp:~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/1511676 and run make dev on it?
[09:33] <dholbach> sure
[09:35] <dholbach> davidcalle, it works for me?
[09:35] <davidcalle> dholbach, humpf
[09:36] <dholbach> I started with lp:developer-ubuntu-com - merged lp:~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/1511676 just to be sure that there's no other crazy changes from the upgrade branch or anything, then ran 'make dev', then 'make run'
[09:36] <dholbach> ... which only failed because I use port 8000 locally already
[09:36] <dholbach> davidcalle, ^
[09:39] <davidcalle> dholbach, it works now, this was weird, maybe a dep not downloading
[09:39] <davidcalle> dholbach, thanks :)
[09:40] <dholbach> no worries - I'm glad I for once didn't break anything :-P
[09:45] <davidcalle> dholbach, link parsing is spot on, +1
[09:45] <dholbach> <3
[09:46]  * davidcalle merges
[09:47] <davidcalle> dholbach, merged
[09:47] <dholbach> awesome, thanks a lot! :)
[09:48] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:48] <davidcalle> dholbach, today I'll probably be mostly on finishing the snappy/raspi2 page, but I'm open for reviews and testing :)
[09:48] <davidcalle> czajkowski, o/
[09:49] <dholbach> davidcalle, at least we should have a meeting and talk about how we want to land the upgrade - I'm going to need help with this
[09:50] <dholbach> I'll for now just focus on getting the importer working with the upgrade, because it doesn't :/
[09:50] <davidcalle> dholbach, can you do a ho around lunch time?
[09:51] <dholbach> I have a call at 14:00, so I was actually planning to run out at 12:00 for lunch - which time did you have in mind?
[09:52] <davidcalle> dholbach, between 12 and 14 :) But it can be later in the afternoon if that works for you
[09:53] <dholbach> sure
[09:53] <davidcalle> dholbach, ok
[09:53] <dholbach> thanks :)
[09:53] <dholbach> that gives me a bit more time to look into this
[10:31] <popey> Tethering ftw
[10:32] <czajkowski> indeed I am loving Three these days since I moved from Vodafone
[10:41] <popey> tethering when you only have 1GB/mo really changes the way you use the internet
[10:41] <popey> an app I'm building now pulls down 60MB every time I build it, normally I'd just build it over and over
[10:41] <popey> now I'm being really careful about how I build it
[10:42] <popey> as I watch my phone dashboard amount left go down and down
[10:43] <czajkowski> nods
[10:43] <czajkowski> I had to change for Three for better roaming in the US as there so often
[10:43] <czajkowski> and for 25 quid a month I am unlimited data
[10:43] <czajkowski> which is very handy when I travel
[10:44] <dholbach> when I was on tethering, I started using squid-deb-proxy locally, since snapcraft pulled in dependencies in lots of builds :)
[10:52] <dholbach> all right.... lunch time
[11:02] <popey> wise!
[12:39] <dpm> dholbach, popey, davidcalle, any thoughts on what to put on the weekly summary today?
[12:40] <dpm> i.e. I think this week we've got enough content already with UOS :-)
[12:40] <dpm> perhaps a link to the track summaries doc?
[12:40] <popey> Didn't you send one last week?
[12:40] <popey> So do one next week and we have UOS + next week content
[12:41] <dpm> yeah, we didn't really establish that they'd be biweekly. It was sort of accidental in that for one reason or another it was every other week. Happy to go with the suggestion
[12:42] <popey> I prefer biweekly tbh
[12:48] <dholbach> biweekly works for me too - I'm happy either way
[12:52] <dpm> ok, wfm
[15:18] <dholbach> mhall119, davidcalle: do you guys have a bit of time now?
[15:22] <mhall119> dholbach: for the docs importer?
[15:22] <dholbach> django/django cms upgrade/docs importer
[15:23] <mhall119> sure
[15:24] <dholbach> cool, I'll set up a hangout
[15:24] <mhall119> dholbach: give me 2 minutes and I'll be there
[15:24] <dholbach> sure sure
[15:24] <dholbach> mhall119, davidcalle: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/kjkdjvgtobpei3j4tlbziztveaa
[16:25]  * davidcalle drives home, have a nice weekend o/
[16:38] <dholbach> all rightie - I'm calling it a day as well
[16:38] <dholbach> have a great weekend everyone
[17:35] <mhall119> jose: ping
[21:13] <mhall119> jose: when you have a minute, I just need to confirm you UbuCon@FOSSETCON talk title and time


[00:39] <Chat7072> hy every 1
[00:43] <Chat7072> whts up pple
[08:02] <roryy> morning
[09:41] <kbmonkey> mornin
[09:43] <roryy> ello
[18:28] <kbmonkey> evening all
[20:07] <superfly> hiya kbmonkey
[20:12] <kbmonkey> hey superfly
[21:29] <superfly> Sorry kbmonkey, on my phone, so I didn't see you there...
[21:32] <kbmonkey> np superfly :)
[21:33] <superfly> How's it going?
[21:34] <kbmonkey> tired man, eyes want sleep. working on a conky config
[21:34] <superfly> Conky?
[21:35] <kbmonkey> that system monitor that draws on the desktop
[21:35]  * superfly doesn't know that one
[21:35] <superfly> I am a developer, I don't do much system monitoring
[21:36] <kbmonkey> i'll show some screenshots the next week so you can see
[21:38] <superfly> Cool


[00:04] <afrotimy> Hi
[00:05]  * genii makes more coffee
[00:07] <valorie> sounds like a good idea, genii
[00:07]  * valorie makes puppy eyes over the empty mug
[00:07]  * genii slides valorie a fresh mug
[00:08] <valorie> \o/
[00:08]  * bprompt notices valorie  thinks she has an empty mug, when in fact, the mug is filled to the top with oxygen and nitrogen
[00:09] <valorie> lol
[00:09] <valorie> I got my lungs full of that out in the yard mowing the lawn
[00:10] <valorie> unfortunately with a side-helping of pollen
[00:11] <bprompt> I mean, at few decades ago, folks used to think the galaxy space was empty, well obviously not
[00:12] <valorie> bprompt: did you see the dark matter map?
[00:12] <bprompt> valorie:   nope....I guess I could... lots of astronomy is very theoretical though, very good educated guesses
[00:13] <valorie> http://io9.com/scientists-map-the-dark-matter-around-millions-of-galax-1698685506
[00:13] <valorie> pretty fascinating
[00:19] <bprompt> hmm
[01:40] <Etriaph> My kingdom to be able to save places in Dolphin again.
[01:44] <valorie> Etriaph: is there a bug filed for that yet?
[01:44] <Etriaph> Yup, low priority
[01:45] <Etriaph> But...
[01:45] <Etriaph> argh
[01:45] <valorie> ok
[06:07] <soee> good morning
[07:58] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:21] <PhiSYS> Hello. Is this the right place to ask for "support"? I just upgraded Kubuntu Vivid Beta 2 and rendered it unusable upon reboot
[09:24] <Avihay_work> PhiSYS: I think there's supposed to be a channel for kubuntu-next, if thats what you are asking
[09:25] <PhiSYS> ok ty
[09:35] <jubo2> How do I check how many bits my GNU/Linux has ?
[09:36] <jubo2> command --switch | grep "something" ?
[09:36] <jubo2> I have this same installed in a VirtualBox
[09:37] <jubo2> maybe is 32 bit with 32+4 addressing
[09:38] <jubo2> uname -m
[09:44] <lordievader> Avihay_work: #ubuntu+1 is for Vivid ;)
[09:46] <Avihay_work> uhh, thanks, forgot (more like never committed to memory even though I've seen it)
[09:46] <lordievader> jubo2: What does uname -m output?
[09:47] <jubo2> it's 32-bit
[09:47] <jubo2> i686 it prints
[09:48] <Avihay_work> ok, this is nice
[09:48] <jubo2> Installing Eclipse
[09:48] <Avihay_work> jubo2: run kinfocenter, go to the about system "information module"
[09:49] <jubo2> Now I need to start eclipse.. where was that wiki tab now..
[09:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[09:58] <Avihay_work> hi
[11:21] <human_blip>  /msg NickServ identify woMbatT
[11:22] <lordievader> human_blip: Time to change your irc password.
[11:22] <human_blip> haha
[11:43] <jubo2> I get error
[11:43] <jubo2> 'tools.jar' seems to be not in Android Studio classpath.
[11:43] <jubo2> Please ensure JAVA_HOME points to JDK rather than JRE.
[11:44] <jubo2> How do I check if I have JDK
[11:44] <jubo2> which I prlly don't
[11:48] <BluesKaj> jubo2, I just look in muon, and I donm't have it installed either
[14:05] <kdEFanboy> Hello! Do you know how to pin google desktop apps into the taskbar? All i get with "Show a launcher when it's closed" is that the given app is in the same launcher as my google chrome launcher
[14:28] <revator> Just installed Kubuntu 15.04 beta 2, updated to current package versions, and can't find how to use greeter-show-manual-login=true in /etc/lightdm/* type tricks to allow arbitrary username entry. so how does one do this these days?
[14:30] <revator> (also set greeter-hide-users at same time, etc, found the /usr/* versions of those lightdm config files, etc, but none of them seem to work)
[14:30] <BluesKaj> revator, so you chose lightdm as your default login greeter, normally it's sddm in the image/iso files
[14:30] <revator> oh, it's not lightdm anymore?
[14:30] <genii> Not by default
[14:31] <revator> sddm is fine, I just didn't realize.
[14:32] <BluesKaj> revator,  I chose sddm since it's what I used in the previous 15.04
[14:32] <revator> ah, http://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/display_managers_finale
[14:33] <BluesKaj> I don't recall any other option in the daily iso
[14:34] <revator> okay, so, I'll be Googling this too, but, how does one tell sddm to just present a username/password prompt and not try to infer available users (it's LDAP-based)?
[14:34] <revator> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SDDM doesn't show anything obvious
[14:34] <BluesKaj> but this isnstall is upgraded via do-release-upgrade -d, and that's why the lightdm option showed up I reckon
[14:35] <revator> (and I'm not at that computer at the moment, but there was some /usr/local/share or /usr/share/local lightdm config, which would be kind of strange, if using sddm)
[14:37] <revator> https://www.mankier.com/5/sddm.conf doesn't seem to have any obvious settings to just show username and password prompt either. is this, in fact, easily possible with sddm or is it easier to reinstall lightdm?
[14:38] <revator> (as you apparently by other means have kept installed)
[14:38] <genii> If you need arbitrary name entry probably better to make lightdm-kde-greeter default
[14:40] <revator> Good to know. Just found https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/406 about "A simple username field entry" from a few days ago too. I get minimalistic, 'light', etc, but there's a reason why older software has tended to accrete code. It's not all pointless
[14:41] <revator> They blame the breeze greeter, in any case, rather than sddm per se, and suggest choosing aother greeter. Such as lightdm I suppose.
[14:42] <revator> (but I can't tell if the sddm people replying are tacitly claiming that it /shouldn't/ be part of sddm, and if one wants that, just switch greeter, or that sddm /can/ support it, but that kubuntu somehow doesn't. flyingDavid isn't real clear on this point)
[14:43] <genii> Yes, I've been finding that overall the sddm documentation is sorely lacking.
[14:44] <revator> I guess lots of cargo-culting from Google results which will spawn soon after 15.04's official release, then
[16:41] <bogdan> hi. is it possible to create a live kubuntu usb on ubuntu unity? can i use startup disk? or i need something else?
[16:44] <genii> You can make any *buntu livecd/liveusb from any other *buntu. Just download the iso file for the one you want, then use dd to put it on the disc or stick
[16:44] <genii> Well, dd for usb stick, burn the iso file otherwise to appropriate media
[16:45] <MoonUnit`> use usb-creator-gtk if you need persistence.
[16:46] <BluesKaj> bogdan, Kubuntu is ubuntu with the KDE desktop, so adding KDE/Kubuntu-Desktop to ubuntu should be done in the installed ubuntu OS
[17:12] <jubo2> I get message
[17:12] <jubo2> 'tools.jar' seems to be not in Android Studio classpath.
[17:12] <jubo2> Please ensure JAVA_HOME points to JDK rather than JRE.
[17:13] <jubo2> I know this is really newb question but how do I set JAVA_HOME
[18:08] <bogdan> pff any linux i am installing i get some errors at the beggining of the installation....and i cannot see what cuz is very fast
[18:08] <bogdan> i think i have some problems with my laptop
[18:08] <gazalam> Like what?
[18:11] <lordievader> bogdan: Any scrap of error you did see?
[18:11] <bogdan> like i said, i cannot see the error cuz is fast and i cannot read it
[18:11] <lordievader> Hmm, where in the boot process do you get these errors?
[18:12] <bogdan> yes just before i get the installation screen
[18:14] <bogdan> and another prob. i just finished to install kubuntu and it asked for restart. i restarted and now is just a black screen is not starting. only if i press space. it should start without pressing anything right?
[18:16] <bogdan> any suggestions of which are the first things i need to do after installing kubuntu?
[18:19] <lordievader> bogdan: Do you get the grub menu when you hold shift after the bios screen?
[18:19] <bogdan> i did not tried that. i am logged in already
[18:21] <lordievader> So it works?
[18:21] <bogdan> yes it does. but i am worried about that error from the begining
[18:22] <bogdan> is there any site where i can find all the terminal commands i need for kubuntu?
[18:22] <lordievader> If you don't have any problems I wouldn't worry.
[18:23] <gazalam> if you are curious check out the boot log at: /var/log/boot.log
[18:26] <MoonUnit`> 15.04 displays a systemd  "starting version 219" message and if you have internal card reader it will spit out an error about them at startup.
[18:28] <BluesKaj> and old 1.1 and 2.0 usb ports
[18:43] <bogdan> can i use pacman for kubuntu or thats only for arch?
[18:50] <MoonUnit`> no, debian based distros use dpkg/apt.
[19:29] <bogdan> damn kubuntu is awesome. is there any website where i can see all the konsole commands?
[19:30] <Dragnslcr> Konsole doesn't have its own commands. It just uses a normal shell (probably bash)
[19:31] <bogdan> kubuntu 14.10is the latest one?
[19:31] <MoonUnit`> google for linux command line cheat sheet
[19:33] <bogdan> kubuntu is very similar with openSUSE at least at design
[19:35] <BluesKaj> bogdan, KDE looks very similar on many distros as does untty and gnome
[19:35] <BluesKaj> err unity :)
[19:40] <bprompt> bogdan:   kde is kde, either debian, or mandriva or suse
[19:40] <SonikkuAmerica> It's all the same KDE; what did you expect? :)
[19:59] <bogdan> can anybody tell me why i get this mes
[19:59] <bogdan> message when one torrent it finished download? http://i.imgur.com/qRzanA0.png?1
[19:59] <amari> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/ Is this the most current ISO for kubuntu right now?
[20:00] <bogdan> i see there torrent stoped by error and some corrupted file and all those stuff
[20:00] <amari> Btw, is it possible to install languages in Kubuntu 15.04?
[20:02] <MoonUnit`> amari: yes to both
[20:02] <amari> MoonUnit`: Is it in the system settings like the previous releases?
[20:02] <MoonUnit`> yup
[20:03] <amari> thanks :) . Is KDE5 ready for daily use? I guess some rough edges but most things work correctly am I right?
[20:04] <MoonUnit`> i've been using it daily but some features are missing
[20:05] <Etriaph> Does anyone know which package in 15.04 is responsible for IM account storage?
[20:05] <bogdan> can anybody tell me pls why i get this message after a torrent is done downloading? http://i.imgur.com/qRzanA0.png?1
[20:05] <amari> MoonUnit`: like what for example...tnx
[20:06] <MoonUnit`> i used to be able to script my screen to turn off when locking, others miss being able to have seperate desktop images in virtual desktops.
[20:07] <amari> Those things will come back as the development continues...
[20:08] <bogdan> hello...is anybody able to answer me ?
[20:09] <Dragnslcr> bogdan: that isn't an error message, it's the configuration for notifications
[20:09] <Etriaph> bogdan: ^
[20:10] <bogdan> aaa that means all of those things from that list are just the things about ill get notification in case of need?
[20:16] <Etriaph> Yes, you can configure notifications to spawn when ktorrent reaches specific states.
[20:20] <bogdan> damn i love kubuntu
[20:20] <bogdan> sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade is still working on kubuntu or is only for ubuntu?#
[20:21] <MoonUnit`> it's the same
[20:21] <bogdan> how about pacman? or pacman is only fr arch?
[20:21] <amari> bogdan: It doesn't matter, wors the same
[20:21] <amari> *works
[20:21] <amari> pacman is for arch
[20:21] <bogdan> ok
[20:22] <bogdan> how can i enable repository? i see that is not like on ubuntu
[20:24] <MoonUnit`> you can get to it though Muon or run software-properties-kde from command line
[20:24] <MoonUnit`> *through
[20:25] <bogdan> i enabled canonical how about cdrom do i need that?
[20:26] <genii> No
[20:29] <bogdan> i see here source code is not checked. do i need to check the box? http://i.imgur.com/vSpkRqe.png?1
[20:44] <MoonUnit`> no
[22:27] <electragician> Hi folks, I'm sort of new to Kubuntu, though I have been a user of other desktops and distributions for a while. A question: Is there any word if the developers plan to setup a PPA to get Plasma 5.3 or newly ported KDE apps using Framework 5 into the upcoming 15.04 release? Hopefully I'm phrasing that question properly.
[22:31] <darthanubis> That info is on the kubuntu website
[22:35] <electragician> Thanks. Looking now, but I'm not seeing anything.
[22:35] <mparillo> The short answer is yes, via backports after the release.
[22:37] <electragician> Ah, thank you!  I just discovered the backports PPA for Kubuntu 15.04 (I've been using it for a couple of weeks now). Looks like there's already an updated Digikam package in there. Awesome
[23:17] <naufalshidqi> hai


[01:19] <LCID_Fire> Hi. Could anyone tell me why git-buildpackage does not produce a orig.tar.gz?
[03:15] <stefanlsd> Im not unable to subscribe u-u-s. Anyone else having that issue?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> directhex: just filter that guy out.  That'll save you a lot more headaches.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> (but yeah.  agh, not again)
[05:27] <AnAnt> Hello
[06:42] <quentusrex> is it possible to build binary packages for hardy, intrepid and jaunty? easily?
[06:42] <quentusrex> I have a source package that builds for each one, but so far I have had to copy it to 3 different machines to build the binary.
[06:47] <ScottK> This is pretty easy to do with pbuilder.
[11:39] <LCID_Fire> Could someone answer the following question - I have the sourcecode of an application without any build files - for the debian package I added autotools build to the app. Now when I generate the source package (and orig.tar.gz), what should it contain: 1. the original application sourcecode 2. the full debianized sourcecode
[11:39] <LCID_Fire> )
[11:39] <LCID_Fire> ?
[11:41] <lifeless> a) you shouldn't be generating the orig.tar.gz; that should come from the upstream.
[11:41] <lifeless> b) the diff, naturally, should contain all changes you have made, in some form.
[11:45] <LCID_Fire> I have a git branch where the original sourcecode resides - and another one where the changes are done - but it just can't get the source package to be generated
[12:02] <Laney> LCID_Fire: are you the upstream developer?
[12:03] <LCID_Fire> Laney: nope - I'm the idiot who tried to build a debian package
[12:03] <Laney> ok so you shouldn't modify their releases
[12:03] <LCID_Fire> Laney: clarify "modify their releases"
[12:03] <Laney> the unmodified upstream source should be in the orig
[12:04] <Laney> and your changes in the diff
[12:05] <LCID_Fire> that's pretty much how the branches are setup in my git repo - but git-buildpackage keeps screwing it...
[12:06] <Laney> you should have a master and an upstream branch
[12:06] <Laney> upstream is just the unpacked tarball
[12:06] <Laney> and master is that + debian/ + your changes
[12:06] <Laney> master is merged from upstream
[12:07] <LCID_Fire> yep - it seems to me like git-buildpackage does not now what to use as orig source
[12:07] <Laney> maybe you need pristine-tar too?
[12:07] <Laney> hyperair knows more about this than me, he can probably help better
[12:07] <LCID_Fire> ?
[12:08] <LCID_Fire> hyperair always helps :)
[12:08] <lifeless> LCID_Fire: this has _nothing to do with branches_
[12:08] <Laney> he is the master of git
[12:08] <lifeless> LCID_Fire: the upstream *tarball* is what matters.
[12:08] <lifeless> LCID_Fire: as for git specific stuff, I can't help sorry.
[12:08] <LCID_Fire> lifeless: the tarball does not matter if you build from scm
[12:08] <lifeless> LCID_Fire: for debian and ubuntu packages, it does.
[12:09] <Laney> LCID_Fire: paste the output of git-buildpackage -S
[12:10] <Laney> Orig tarball 'agda_2.2.2.orig.tar.gz' not found at '../tarballs/'
[12:10] <Laney> pristine-tar: successfully generated /home/laney/dev/debian/packaging/build-area/agda_2.2.2.orig.tar.gz
[12:10] <Laney> that's what happens with one of my git packages
[12:11] <LCID_Fire> lifeless: the point is that orig.tar.gz is to be GENERATED out of git - but it isn't :(
[12:11] <Laney> where did the upstream sources come from in the first place?
[12:11] <lifeless> LCID_Fire: if you're not using pristine_tar, it cannot be created from git.
[12:11] <stefanlsd> Im not unable to subscribe u-u-s. Anyone else having that issue?
[12:11] <Laney> is there a release at all?
[12:11] <lifeless> LCID_Fire: or any other VCS
[12:12] <LCID_Fire> Laney: sourceforge - http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=171505
[12:12] <LCID_Fire> lifeless: I don't even know what pristine_tar is
[12:12] <lifeless> LCID_Fire: then just download the original tarball, name it correctly, and away you go.
[12:13] <LCID_Fire> lifeless: it's zip ;)
[12:13] <lifeless> LCID_Fire: ugh. Well you'll need to repack it, but do that once.
[12:15] <Laney> uscan can do this with --repack (I think for .zip)
[12:15] <LCID_Fire> lifeless: but to maintain it - I need it to be generated - I'm not in the mood to manually create the orig.tar.gz every time there is a release
[12:15] <Laney> LCID_Fire: please stop that huge paste if you can
[12:15] <Laney> :(((
[12:15] <LCID_Fire> Laney: done
[12:15] <Laney> thanks
[12:15] <Laney> pastebin would be easier to read
[12:16] <LCID_Fire> Laney: on my xchat it's pretty good to read
[12:16] <lifeless> LCID_Fire: then don't maintain this package, or get upstream to start generating tarballs.
[12:16] <Laney> so, what you want to write is a watch file
[12:16] <Laney> and then a get-orig-source file which calls uscan --repack
[12:16] <lifeless> *someone* somewhere has to put the orig source into a tarball for ubuntu packages.
[12:17] <LCID_Fire> lifeless: that's the point of git-buildpackage - it SHOULD do the work (at least it is advertised)
[12:17] <Laney> no
[12:17] <LCID_Fire> Laney: I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry
[12:18] <lifeless> LCID_Fire: thats not the point of git-buildpackage
[12:18] <Laney> LCID_Fire: then you should find out
[12:18] <LCID_Fire> yes it is: please read "man git-buildpackage"
[12:19] <lifeless> LCID_Fire: its point, like that of svn-buildpackage, bzr-buildpackage etc etc is to allow better granularity in maintaining the delta that makes up the packaging data & bugfixes that are needed to package the software
[12:19] <LCID_Fire> lifeless: you're right - but the manpage also says: "Build an orig.tar.gz if it doesn't exist."
[12:19] <lifeless> pristine-tar does allow putting *an existing* orig.tar.gz into a VCS and reconstructing it later.
[12:20] <LCID_Fire> lifeless: I did this with git-import-orig
[12:20] <Laney> actually gbp does let you do this without pristine-tar, but it isn't idempotetnt
[12:21] <Laney> agda_2.2.2.orig.tar.gz does not exist, creating from 'upstream/2.2.2'
[12:21] <lifeless> right, which makes it unsuitable for collaborative maintenance
[12:21] <LCID_Fire> for whatever reason this does not work for me
[12:22] <LCID_Fire> lifeless: why?
[12:22] <lifeless> because SHA1
[12:22] <LCID_Fire> shouldn't it work when everyone is using git?
[12:23] <lifeless> no
[12:23] <lifeless> as Laney says its not idempotent
[12:23] <Laney> he means it generates a different tarball each time it's run
[12:23] <Laney> this is the problem that pristine-tar fixes
[12:23] <lifeless> besides which, many people use other VCS's than git
[12:24] <hyperair> Laney: LCID_Fire you called?
[12:24] <Laney> it's alright
[12:24] <Laney> but, good morning!
[12:24] <LCID_Fire> hi
[12:25] <LCID_Fire> so the way gbp works is actually a bug?
[12:27] <LCID_Fire> btw: just found http://juliank.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/experiences-with-git-and-pristine-tar/
[12:28] <Laney> this is pretty much what we said
[12:29] <LCID_Fire> the interesting thing is - the patch was submitted - but pristine is not a dependency of git-buildpackage...
[12:30] <Laney> it's only optional
[12:34] <LCID_Fire> I still don't get why it isn't generating orig.tar.gz
[12:34] <Laney> if you pasted the output that I asked for we could take a look
[12:34] <Laney> to a pastebin(!)
[12:35] <LCID_Fire> np - you just have to wait till I google pastebin
[12:35] <Laney> www.pastebin.com
[12:38] <LCID_Fire> interesting - it's on http://pastebin.com/d4617b699
[12:41] <Laney> this isn't the whole output
[12:42] <LCID_Fire> it is the output of "git-buildpackage -S -sa --git-pristine-tar > ../build.txt"
[12:42] <Laney> remove those other options
[12:43] <LCID_Fire> so just using -S?
[12:43] <Laney> you're telling it explicitly to use git-pristine-tar there
[12:43] <Laney> ep
[12:43] <Laney> yep
[12:43] <LCID_Fire> ok
[12:46] <LCID_Fire> updated: http://pastebin.com/d1848a594
[12:48] <Laney> oh
[12:48] <Laney> you've made a native package
[12:48] <Laney> you need to make the version 7.1.2-0ubuntu1
[12:49] <LCID_Fire> how do these last 2 statements link?
[12:50] <Laney> http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html
[12:50] <Laney> check the FAQ about native packages
[12:51] <LCID_Fire> and why isn't it telling me this conclusion when I'm building?
[12:52] <Laney> because it doesn't know that this isn't what you want
[12:52] <LCID_Fire> but it should at least tell me what it does and what it thinks that I want
[12:53] <Laney> #
[12:53] <Laney> dpkg-buildpackage: source only upload: Debian-native package
[12:54] <LCID_Fire> Laney: this line is as good as saying nothing - it just helps if you already know what you have to do - which is what debian packaging seems to be aimed at
[12:57] <Laney> right, these are tools for developers to use in their daily work
[12:57] <Laney> documentation and help forums such as this are for learning how they work
[12:58] <LCID_Fire> In former times I wondered why so much software is not packaged for debian - now I know
[12:59] <Laney> it's really not bad if you read some documentation
[13:00] <LCID_Fire> I read a LOT - but you can't read everything there is to packaging - they hardly make a clear point
[13:00] <Laney> complaining to me isn't going to help anything
[13:00] <Laney> you have this place to ask specific questions
[13:00] <Laney> and then you can help to improve the documentation
[13:00] <LCID_Fire> I know - but I have to get all the anger out of my system ;)
[13:02] <LCID_Fire> besides I'm now stuck with "dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source" (seems to be related to autotools) - I'm getting further in babysteps
[13:02] <LCID_Fire> but for now - thanks a lot - would have never figured these things out without you guys
[15:17] <dupondje> Hello, I'm working on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+milestone/round-1
[15:17] <dupondje> I fixed a bug now, but how & where do I upload it ?
[15:23] <RainCT> dupondje: which bug is it?
[15:24] <dupondje> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/57210
[15:25] <RainCT> dupondje: In this case it'd be best to get the fix directly into GNOME.
[15:26] <dupondje> RainCT: but isn't it to late then to get it into Karmic ?
[15:26] <RainCT> dupondje: but it seems like someone has already provided a patch there
[15:26] <dupondje> yea, not working + outdated
[15:27] <RainCT> dupondje: No, not if it gets into GNOME in time. Karmic will ship with the next GNOME release.
[15:27] <dupondje> ok
[15:38] <masterkernel> hello
[15:39] <masterkernel> how do I request that a program be packaged?
[15:39] <hyperair> masterkernel.. you the one packaging kernelcheck?
[15:39] <masterkernel> yes
[15:39] <hyperair> anyway you file a needs-packaging bug in ubuntu
[15:40] <masterkernel> the problem is that I want to remain anonymous
[15:40] <hyperair> yes, i noticed.
[15:40] <hyperair> you could use a false alias ;)
[15:40] <hyperair> a real sounding false alias
[15:40] <masterkernel> John Smith
[15:40] <hyperair> heheh
[15:40] <hyperair> don't quote me on that
[15:40] <masterkernel> i wont
[15:40] <hyperair> some people will grill me i'm sure
[15:41] <hyperair> the channel's logged anyway, so whoops =p
[15:41] <Nafallo> and keep lurkers ;-)
[15:41] <masterkernel> i attempted to try to get other people to do it for me but no one's picked it up thus far
[15:41] <masterkernel> *package it
[15:42] <nhandler> RainCT: I just saw your pull-revu-source request. I have been thinking about that for a while. Instead of allowing users to pull from different versions of Ubuntu/Debian, they could pull different uploads of that package by specifying a date/upload id
[15:42] <hyperair> masterkernel: poke around in #ubuntu-kernel, maybe someone will be interested enough.
[15:42] <masterkernel> good call
[15:43] <hyperair> =)
[15:43] <hyperair> i'm past my kernel compiling days, or so i'd like to say
[15:43] <hyperair> because the kernel just works for me, and my notebook overheats and shuts down if i compile something that big
[15:44] <hyperair> otherwise i'd package it
[15:44] <hyperair> i think it's a good idea to get it into debian and let it get synced into ubuntu though
[15:44] <hyperair> that way more people benefit from the package
[15:44]  * hyperair pokes masterkernel
[15:44] <masterkernel> I would ask the co-author to do it but i don'
[15:44] <ivoks> what's kernelcheck?
[15:45] <masterkernel> t think he knows much about packaging
[15:45] <masterkernel> http://kcheck.sourceforge.net/
[15:45] <ivoks> yeah, i'm looking at the page
[15:45] <ivoks> ah... found it
[15:45] <hyperair> i think it's something that downloads the up to date kernel sources
[15:45] <hyperair> and compiles it
[15:45] <hyperair> after applying the ubuntu patch
[15:45] <hyperair> basically a GUI for it
[15:46] <masterkernel> I should update the description on the homepage -- not very informative
[15:46] <ivoks> urgh...
[15:46] <hyperair> hmm come to think of it, there was someone who posted those awesome guides on ubuntuforums by the name Master Kernel. is that you?
[15:46] <masterkernel> yeah
[15:46] <ivoks> masterkernel: it's not easy to find, actually :)
[15:46] <hyperair> masterkernel: how come you didn't just call the project kernelcheck?
[15:46] <hyperair> masterkernel: like kernelcheck.sf.net instead of kcheck
[15:46] <ivoks> so, it breaks all tools that dpends on specific version of modules?
[15:47] <masterkernel> I'm not really sure
[15:47] <masterkernel> that would be logical
[15:47] <RainCT> nhandler: I don't use those tools so I have no comment on that (the request was from porthose, I only marked ubuntu-dev-tools as affected because he filed it against REVU).
[15:47] <masterkernel> ivoks: ?
[15:48] <ivoks> masterkernel: there are tools in linux distributions that depend on specific versions of modules
[15:48] <hyperair> what tools?
[15:48] <ivoks> i'm just trying to figure out what this kernelcheck actually is :)
[15:49] <ivoks> drbd, kvm...
[15:49] <ivoks> mostly kernel stuff
[15:49] <ivoks> errr... server :)
[15:49] <masterkernel> I haven't seen any breakages in my compilations - and with dkms they seem to compile right with every new kernel
[15:49] <masterkernel> apart from nvidia/ait
[15:49] <masterkernel> *ati
[15:50] <ivoks> right, dkms would help
[15:50] <dupondje> RainCT: I added patch to the Gnome bug, what should I do with the launchpad bug ?
[15:53] <hyperair> doesn't nvidia use dkms too?
[15:53] <ivoks> they do
[15:53] <ivoks> and should work
[15:53] <masterkernel> it's broken other than ubuntu-specific kernels
[15:54] <masterkernel> problems with nvidia-common
[15:54] <masterkernel> so I always have to use the binary package
[15:56]  * RoAkSoAx says hello
[15:57] <RainCT> dupondje: just leave a note saying that there's a patch in bugzilla
[15:57] <dupondje> ok
[15:57] <RainCT> dupondje: maybe you can get someone to look at it on #gnome-love (server irc.gnome.org)
[15:58] <dupondje> done :D
[15:58] <dupondje> thx
[15:59] <masterkernel> ubuntu-kernel seems inactive
[16:03] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, heya master how's it going
[16:03] <ivoks> ok
[16:03] <ivoks> you?
[16:03] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, tired :) just woke up xD
[16:04] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, do you have little time to help me out with something?
[16:04] <ivoks> sure
[16:05] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok, I've worked with: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/passenger/+bug/382539 and I have some doubts on the lintian warnings that are listed there in the comment
[16:06] <ivoks> ok
[16:06] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, the first warning is related to that ${misc:Depends} is not use. I was wondering. what is ${misc:Depends} used for, and if it's necessary in my case??
[16:09] <maxb> It is used by miscellaneous components of debhelper to insert various boilerplate dependencies
[16:10] <ivoks> sorry, wasn't here for a moment
[16:10] <maxb> It simply means you need to include ${misc:Depends} in your package's Depends: line.
[16:11] <ivoks> right, misc:Depends is needed so that package pulls some packages it needs
[16:11] <ivoks> man debhelper
[16:11] <maxb> It's pretty minor, only very few debhelper commands insert anything there
[16:11] <ivoks>    Automatic generation of miscellaneous dependencies.
[16:12] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: what comaptibility is that? (debian/compat)
[16:12] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, 6
[16:12] <ivoks> since 4, there should be ${misc:Depends}
[16:14] <ivoks> just put it :D
[16:14] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, oh i see. what about this warning: passenger source: maintainer-script-lacks-debhelper-token debian/postinst. Does that mean in debian/libapache2-mod-passenger.postinst ¿? because if it's so, the token is there
[16:15] <ivoks> #DEBHELPER#
[16:15] <ivoks> you should have that at the end of the file
[16:16] <ivoks> debian/postinst
[16:16] <ivoks> and debian/prerm
[16:17] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/200119/ ?
[16:17] <ivoks> just at the end of the file
[16:18] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, this changes should be in the changelog right?
[16:19] <ivoks> all changes have to be in changelog - that's why it's called changelog
[16:19] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, and what about the last warning. Should I bump Standards Version ?
[16:20] <ivoks> sure
[16:24] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, done. So, why is lintian still showing the warnings after the changes have been made?
[16:25] <ivoks> the same warning?
[16:27] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, i know what's worng. never mind... btw.. if in debian contrl i have a package-doc whicuh install the documentation. should it also have the Depends?? it should right?
[16:27] <RoAkSoAx> I mean, it shouldn't since it's just documentation
[16:28] <directhex> popey, didn't you know "doing something I didn't ask for" is the same thing as "ticking a box in a dialog box to explicitly do something"?
[16:28] <maxb> NB you only bump Standards-Version because the package isn't in Debian at all
[16:29] <popey> directhex: :)
[16:29] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: does it depend on anything?
[16:29] <directhex> popey, i like how a Certain Blog is accusing keybuk of orchestrating a whisper campaign
[16:29] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, no, so it should not be used
[16:29] <popey> oh dear
[16:30] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, btw.. the #DEBHELPER# token should be *only* in debian/postinst debian/prerm or in libapache2-mod-passenger.prerm libapache2-mod-passenger.postinst aswell ?
[16:30] <directhex> popey, due to his response in that thread, where he implies an endless source translation might get boring for its developer at some point
[16:30] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: in all *inst and *rm scripts
[16:30] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok cool
[16:31] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: you should have misc:Depends for -doc
[16:32] <popey> directhex: I tire immensely of the whole m ono thing, you must be made of sterner stuff
[16:33] <directhex> popey, i was genuinely distraught last weekend at some of the hate against me on linuxtoday
[16:33] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok this is -doc package: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/200125/
[16:33] <popey> directhex: :( Sorry to hear that. We (Linux community) are our own worst enemy sometimes. It's so destructive.
[16:34] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: you should have misc:Depends for -doc
[16:34] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, just misc:Depends ?
[16:34] <popey> directhex: Just remember there's a boatload of people out here who really appreciate the good work you do.
[16:34] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: Depends: ${misc:Depends}
[16:35] <directhex> popey, my spirits were lifted enormously by a blog post from David Schlesinger, the guy on u-d-d who had his bos contacted in an effort to have him fired
[16:35] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, i meant, just misc:Depends and not shlibs:Depends. And, why should it be there ?
[16:35] <popey> directhex: url? not seen it.
[16:35] <directhex> popey, it'd be nice not to have people like [REDACTED] comparing my work to cancer. that'd be a good start
[16:35] <directhex> popey, http://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com/2009/06/when-zeal-becomes-zealotry-tawdry-tale.html
[16:35] <directhex> popey, it gets extra epic in the comments
[16:35] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: read man page; i'm not going to repeat the stuff i said 5 minutes ago
[16:36] <popey> I am off out for the night, bookmarked for bedtime reading ;)
[16:37] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok sorry
[16:39] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, thanks for your help.
[16:40] <ivoks> sure
[16:48] <masterkernel> so should I just file a bug under needs-packaging and hope someone picks it up?
[16:57] <directhex> masterkernel, unless it's an app made from awesome and win, requiring little work, the chances of someone doing it for you are not huge
[16:57] <directhex> masterkernel, but you never know
[16:59] <masterkernel> even if I have all the debian/ files ready?
[16:59] <directhex> in that case, you don't file a needs-packaging bug, you upload the source package to REVU
[17:08] <joaopinto> directhex, from my reading of the new package wiki you always need a needs-packaging bug, that's the one you close on the changelog
[17:09] <hyperair> directhex: the issue is that masterkernel wants to remain anonymous.
[17:09] <masterkernel> hyperair: looks like it's possible - http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/06/msg00601.html
[17:10] <lesshaste> hi all
[17:10] <masterkernel> hyperair: it's getting the sponsor to accept responsibility thats going to be tough
[17:10] <hyperair> heh
[17:15] <joaopinto> odd request
[17:20] <joaopinto> masterkernel, what app is it ?
[17:21] <masterkernel> joaopinto: kernelcheck, i'll give you the link to the deb source in a sec
[17:22] <LCID_Fire> Hi - the bugger is back again ;)
[17:22] <masterkernel> joaopinto: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/k/kernelcheck
[17:22] <joaopinto> masterkernel, if I am not mistaken there is already a ppa to get the latest upstream kernel, I don't see much value on such app for ubuntu
[17:24] <masterkernel> check out the doc link - it shows screenshots of the program: http://kcheck.sourceforge.net/pool/Documentation-Lumen.pdf
[17:24] <masterkernel> and kernelcheck lets you customize the kernel - it's not just some generic kernel you can download
[17:25] <masterkernel> it helps with hardware incompatible with the generic kernel, or modding the bootscreen, speeding up boot time and such
[17:26] <joaopinto> ok
[17:26] <LCID_Fire> when dpkg-source complains it means the difference between the orig.tar.gz and the debian changes, right?
[17:26] <joaopinto> masterkernel, looks good :)
[17:30] <hyperair> LCID_Fire: depends on what it complains about really
[17:30] <LCID_Fire> hyperair: error: cannot represent change to some.png: binary file contents changed
[17:31] <hyperair> heheh
[17:31] <hyperair> right
[17:31] <hyperair> yes
[17:31] <hyperair> difference between orig.tar.gz and debian changes
[17:31] <hyperair> question. some.png is inside or outside of debian/?
[17:31] <LCID_Fire> outside
[17:31] <hyperair> then don't change it!
[17:31] <hyperair> just leave it as it is!
[17:32] <LCID_Fire> I pretty much cannot - the original directory structure is pretty messed up
[17:32] <joaopinto> LCID_Fire, you are not expected to cleanup original directory structure as part of the package building :P
[17:32] <LCID_Fire> joaopinto: it's a dirty job, but someone has to do it ;)
[17:33] <joaopinto> why not send that to upstream and request a new clean orig ?
[17:34] <LCID_Fire> joaopinto: because the developer is not too much into contribution - besides he doesn't care too much because he doesn't have to on windows
[17:35] <LCID_Fire> all: basically in order to get debian to work I have to leave every file in it's place?
[17:36] <joaopinto> LCID_Fire, or you repack the original tarball, which is not very common
[17:36] <LCID_Fire> oh boy
[17:36] <joaopinto> and needs a strong reason
[17:37] <LCID_Fire> ok, I'll look into whether restructuring again might be an option
[17:38] <LCID_Fire> btw: how should one properly handle the deletion of a file being present in the orig.tar.gz?
[17:39] <joaopinto> LCID_Fire, you should not delete files from .orig.tar.gz
[17:40] <LCID_Fire> joaopinto: e.g. a compile script that I don't use!?
[17:40] <joaopinto> just don't install them, or remove from the installation target
[17:40] <LCID_Fire> and I do this by???
[17:40] <joaopinto> LCID_Fire, let me try to be very clear, .orig = original source
[17:41] <LCID_Fire> joaopinto: so you mean keep it in the sources but ignore!?
[17:41] <joaopinto> just because you don't need it or dont use it, it is still part of the original source
[17:41] <joaopinto> yes
[17:41] <LCID_Fire> ok - that will be one messy source package
[17:41] <joaopinto> if you need to "fix" the script, use a patch, if you don't just leave it there
[17:42] <LCID_Fire> so - a lot of work ahead - but thanks for now guys :)
[17:48] <ivoks> how should /etc/modprobe.d/dkms.conf be utilized?
[17:48] <ivoks> superm1: here?
[18:23] <dennis> Hello everybody
[18:23] <RoAkSoAx> Heya guys can someone still work with FTBFS and missing dependencies after the Debian Import Freeze?
[18:24] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: of course
[18:24] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: development doesn't stop with dif
[18:25] <nhandler> RoAkSoAx: The only thing that really happens after DIF is the auto-syncs from Debian stop
[18:25] <dennis> my question is: Where to put arch dependent libs best, if I don't want to package them themselves, their part of an application
[18:25] <RoAkSoAx> nhandler, what about merging and syncing new upstream versions?
[18:28] <nhandler> RoAkSoAx: Those can continue
[18:28] <RoAkSoAx> nhandler, till when?
[18:29] <masterkernel> I filed a needs-packaging bug on launchpad: 389946 and uploaded the package to revu. now I need 2 Ubuntu developers to sign & review it, correct?
[18:29] <nhandler> RoAkSoAx: It isn't really until FF where you need to start worrying about getting exceptions and stuff like that
[18:30] <RoAkSoAx> nhandler, which is on August 27th?
[18:31] <nhandler> Yes RoAkSoAx
[18:31] <RoAkSoAx> nhandler, and after FF people start concentrating on bug fixing right?
[18:32] <nhandler> RoAkSoAx: Correct. Bug fixes, important changes, and stuff that brings us closer to releasing a great Ubuntu ;)
[18:33] <RoAkSoAx> nhandler, ok cool :) that cleared my doubts
[18:33] <RoAkSoAx> thanks for your help
[18:34] <dennis> *push*: Where to put arch dependent libs best, if I don't want to package them themselves, their part of an application
[18:34] <nhandler> You're welcome RoAkSoAx
[18:36] <dennis> or the other way around, am I allowed to copy libs to /usr/lib or /usr/lib64 in my package wich is not a lib...-package?
[18:39] <hansolo669> hello when i try to bzr push it give me the error:      "bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emythbuntu-documentation/mythbuntu/documentation/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()"  i have run "bzr launchpad-login callum1234moo-live"(my launch pad name(user name is hansolo669)) and it looks like it workd but then still give the error. i have
[18:43] <hansolo669> changed launch  pad name to hansolo669
[19:10] <dennis> nobody online who knows where to put it and whether I am allowed?
[19:20] <mrooney> any motu want to mentor me for a few minutes on building a nautilus package from a nautilus branch in git? I have the branch checked out, and the apt-get source of nautilus, I'm just not sure how to merge them
[19:24] <nellery> mrooney: here's a MOTU video which details upgrading packages http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJzM2LNOtWU
[19:25] <mrooney> nellery: ahh thanks that sounds functionally equivalent perhaps
[19:26] <nellery> mrooney: and words to go along with it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/PackageUpdate
[20:47] <masterkernel> I filed a needs-packaging bug on launchpad: 389946 and uploaded the package to revu. now I need 2 Ubuntu developers to sign & review it, correct?
[20:48] <RainCT> directhex: Hey. Can you take a look at bug #350203?  Seems like it needs /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so from libgtk2.0-dev to run, but that doesn't seem right?
[20:49] <RainCT> masterkernel: Yes. Your best chance to get it reviewed quickly is asking here from time to time (but not too often as that would have the opposite effect ;)). Especially on Fridays as then it's "REVU Day".
[20:49] <masterkernel> RainCT: thanks. will you do it? :)
[20:50] <directhex> RainCT, your assessment seems correct. sounds like incorrect use of p/invoke to me
[20:51] <directhex> yTTrayLib.cs:	[DllImport ("gdk-x11-2.0")]
[20:51] <RainCT> masterkernel: As a start, look at the Warnings REVU gives you on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kernelcheck; also please limit the description of the package to a technical (but understandable) description: it's not the right place to mention whether it's based upon a forum thread or who the authors of the original app are (this later information could go into debian/copyright)
[20:52] <masterkernel> RainCT: thanks, will do
[20:54] <directhex> RainCT, i'll pastebin a fix. too busy to upload myself
[20:54] <RainCT> directhex: great, thanks
[20:55] <directhex> http://paste.ubuntu.com/200266/
[20:56] <RainCT> directhex: Oh, so easy? Thanks!
[20:57] <directhex> RainCT, mono tries a few values for remapping when given a dllimport - but it does NOT try adding a SONAME version
[20:57] <directhex> RainCT, which is why it resolves "gdk-x11-2.0" to "libgdk-x11-2.0.so" but not to "libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0"
[20:58] <directhex> basically "foo" is assumed to be interchangeable with "foo.dll" as per the spec, and mono remaps "foo.dll" to "libfoo.so" automatically
[21:09] <dtchen> superm1: apologies for the delay in answering your e-mail; i'll address some points tomorrow
[21:50] <vadi2> What is the preferred format for ubuntu packages - debhelper or cdbs?
[21:50] <RainCT> vadi2: That depends who you ask.
[21:51] <dtchen> IOW, there is no One Strict Way regardless what anyone tells you.
[21:51] <vadi2> Yeah, that's what has been confusing me. Alright.
[21:57] <alefteris> vadi2, rumors thought have it that dh 7 is the cdbs killer :) just rumors..
[21:58] <vadi2> Where can I find more information about dh 7?
[22:00] <alefteris> dh 7 = debianhelper version 7, don't know where to find docs about it :(
[22:00] <alefteris> debhelper* version 7
[22:00] <Laney> /usr/share/doc/debhelper
[22:00] <fta> man dh
[22:00] <fta> :
[22:00] <fta> :)
[22:15] <kpirc> I am looking for a reviewer for my 'cadabra' package currently on REVU. It's a computer algebra system in C++, including a graphical notebook frontend with mathematics typesetting.
[22:15] <kpirc> Any takers?
[22:21] <kpirc> quiet night...
[22:29] <masterkernel> I am in need a reviewer for 'kernelcheck', a GUI that can auto-build any 2.6 kernel from the upstream source with custom patches, and install it as a deb file.
[22:29] <masterkernel> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kernelcheck
[22:29] <masterkernel> RainCT: I fixed all those warnings and the description
[22:47] <ripps> Can someone help me, I'm trying to repackage mpd so that it runs under the local user's userspace and not it's own. Apparently there's some permission issues I've discovered in Karmic that's making it impossible for it scan files on an external harddrive mounted by gnome-vfs. I'm trying to create a mpd-userspace package, but I don't know how to make the package startup as the user and not as root service.
[22:49] <RainCT> ripps: and wouldn't it be easier to give the user as which mpd runs permissions to access the files there?
[22:51] <ripps> mpd is capable of being run in the userspace, it has code designed to run that way, but debian has always packaged it as root service, so I want to try and see if I can get to work well as a userspace app. That might even be a preferred method.
[22:51] <ripps> RainCT: ^
[22:52] <ripps> RainCT: also, the issue is because of devkit-disks which seems to mount external harddisks with different permissions.
[22:59] <RainCT> masterkernel: No time to do a complete review now, but I've left some quick comments.
[23:00] <masterkernel> RainCT: thanks, I'll check it out
[23:00] <RainCT> ripps: Oh, so it runs as root? I'd hoped I'd have a system user for itself or something :/
[23:01] <ripps> RainCT: not exactly root runs it as the mpd user, but that means it can't read files mounted as 0700 by devkit-disk
[23:02] <RainCT> ripps: OK, you had scared me :P. So have you tried "sudo adduser mpd devkit-disk"?
[23:02] <RainCT> err nevermind
[23:02] <ripps> Yeah, it because devkit will only allow me, the user who mounted the disk to access it, not mpd
[23:03] <ripps> I should be read/write for me and read for everybody else