[17:51] <qin> luckysmack_: Good habit for ssh is to use fail2ban or maybe different port than 22.
[17:52] <oCean> luckysmack_: tomodachi you probably mean sftp?
[17:52]  * pfifo throws his 2 cents in, rsync + ssh is easier and much more secure than FTP, of course, thats speaking form the experience ive had copying foles between 2 linux machines
[17:52] <_3vi1_> AirandSea:  Go carts = Windows?
[17:52] <tomodachi> luckysmack_: or just use keybased quth instead of password based
[17:52] <blackhawk> terry: you mean the router? it's a speedtouch
[17:52] <qin> lollo64it: Or if you really concerned knockd
[17:52] <luckysmack_> qin, yea my webserver uses fail2ban. i dont locally.
[17:52] <luckysmack_> tomodachi, yea keys are what i use.
[17:53] <tomodachi> oCean: luckysmack_  no ftp eith encryption is ftps
[17:53] <AirandSea> pfifo: Good, but not as updated repositores generally. Unless you can sync gigabytes per second ;)
[17:53] <tomodachi> oCean: luckysmack_ sftp is not ftp with security
[17:53] <pfifo> AirandSea, rsync is exponentially faster than FTP
[17:53] <oCean> tomodachi: sftp is the command for using ssh, I have no binary ftps, not in any package I searched
[17:53] <terry> blackhawk: Your original question was about a built in wireless device.  Right?
[17:54] <AirandSea> _3vi1_: HAha, good one :) But at 10-15 years old they can learn how to press a  few buttons on the keyboard or mouse as well. Maybe enough to make a secure connection :)
[17:54] <luckysmack_> tomodachi, yea i know. i normally use ssh for file transfering.
[17:54]  * pfifo gives dr_willis an oatmeal cream pie
[17:54] <terry> luckysmack_: Do you mean scp?   (You said ssh.)
[17:55] <AirandSea> pfifo: Yeah, rsync deserved more usage, so i made a gui for it :)
[17:55] <Lasers> I have a question about those installing Ubuntu on Macbooks -- Apple button replacing Windows button?
[17:55] <luckysmack_> terry, oh yes. my bad. i use scp to transfer files.
[17:55] <blackhawk> terry: not it;s about a built in ethernet that's unstable although connected,and it;s working fine on windows
[17:55] <terry> blackhawk: Oh, sorry.  So what is it doing?  (or not doing?)
[17:56] <terry> blackhawk: Describe the situation.
[17:56] <terry> blackhawk: Do you have it set to dhcp?
[17:57] <AirandSea> pfifo: tried gadmin-rsync ?
[17:57] <samsul> somebody tell me, what is the command to show size of a directory?
[17:57] <blackhawk> terry: well,my internet is unstable although the cable is connected and fine and the router is fine,when i open a web page or even chatting here on irc it stops suddenly and then gets back after a min or few seconds
[17:57] <AirandSea> df .
[17:58] <terry> samsul: du -s  /dir/
[17:58] <blackhawk> terry: it\s set on automatic
[17:58] <luckysmack_> thanks for the input guys
[17:58] <pfifo> AirandSea, im a cli only type of guy
[17:58] <AirandSea> Woops: "du -h ."
[17:58] <samsul> thanks terry
[17:58] <terry> samsul: du -S  /dir/
[17:58] <terry> sorry
[17:59] <ciunix> hi all
[17:59] <ciunix> who can help me installing git?
[17:59] <terry> samsul: Or    du -Sh  /home/samsul/Documents
[17:59] <Captainkrtek> ciunix, I can help
[17:59] <AirandSea> pfifo: I like both, but i like to do "trivial tasks" :) ... such as setting up servers via gui's
[17:59] <ciunix> well can you help me step by step?
[17:59] <ritzz> hi everyone im trying to figure this one out for long now when i mount a file or drive with truecrypt and cryptkeeper the file or drive appears on the desktop but also it's aviable to other accounts besides admin account (family and guest accounts) how can i set access only to admin account ?
[17:59] <Captainkrtek> ciunix, sure
[18:00] <samsul> okay, i'll try all
[18:00] <ciunix> usually I use cvs
[18:00] <Captainkrtek> ciunix, first open a terminal and enter: sudo apt-get install git-core
[18:00] <ciunix> ok
[18:00] <AirandSea> pfifo: Do you also like making dists from sources ?
[18:00] <ciunix> done
[18:00] <ciunix> I did it before
[18:00] <Captainkrtek> k
[18:00] <pfifo> AirandSea, pm me were too off topic
[18:00] <terry> blackhawk: cat /etc/resolv.conf    #See if the nameserver(s) are correct.
[18:01] <AirandSea> Noted
[18:02] <blackhawk> terry: yes it is the same as the one i know and see on windows and mac osx i use
[18:02] <samsul> du -s /dir more better for me..
[18:02] <terry> blackhawk: ifconfig -a    #Look at that and see if you see anything out of the ordinary.
[18:03] <_3vi1_> Try du -sh .
[18:04] <blackhawk> terry: i don't understand anything from what has just came up,shall i paste a link for ya?
[18:06] <coz_>  have to break for a bit , be back later
[18:11] <roboroyy> test
[18:11] <roboroyy> hallo\
[18:12] <chinmaya_n>  I recently migrated to debian. But I love the ubuntu font that is used for applications and in terminal! What are those fonts? I want them in debain as it is weird here
[18:12] <ritzz> no one?
[18:12] <roboroyy> ?
[18:13] <Abhijit> chinmaya_n, http://font.ubuntu.com/
[18:13] <ThinkT510> !font | chinmaya_n
[18:13] <TrD> Monospace chinmaya_n
[18:13] <samsul> i use Monospace font in my terminal..
[18:14] <chinmaya_n> Abhijit, Ohk.. I guess even in ubuntu It uses sans(my assumption). But the sans in debian is diff.
[18:14] <chinmaya_n> TrD, Ya... I'll look that now
[18:15] <blackhawk> terry: u still there?
[18:17] <chinmaya_n> Abhijit, I'm asking the fonts used in ubuntu ( applications , terminal etc) not the font of the title ubuntu :)
[18:19] <Stava> I renamed a file to nothing (an empty string), and it disappeared
[18:19] <Stava> How can I recover it?
[18:19] <tdrusk> I accidentally rm .ssh folder. How can I get it so that ssh will work again?
[18:19] <Reikoku> sudo apt-get install openssh I think
[18:20] <Stava> Nevermind, it reappeared where I cut it from
[18:20] <oCean> tdrusk: what is not working atm?
[18:20] <chinmaya_n> TrD, The application font is not Monospace !
[18:20] <chinmaya_n> Can somebody tel me which font is the Application Font in Appearence window in Ubuntu??
[18:20] <TrD> set the Terminal font to Monospace
[18:21] <Adis> where can I download the default Windows fonts?
[18:21] <Adis> I can't find it anywhere
[18:22] <chinmaya_n> TrD, Ya.. My terminal font is already Monospace
[18:22] <oCean> chinmaya_n: it is the "ubuntu" font
[18:23] <ThinkT510> !find ttf-mscorefonts | Adis
[18:23] <chinmaya_n> oCean, Oh... It says it is ubuntu !!
[18:23] <oCean> chinmaya_n: http://font.ubuntu.com/
[18:23] <chinmaya_n> oCean, I'll try to install that and see
[18:24] <tucemiux_mob> anyone knows how to use the ALT key inside virtualbox ?
[18:25] <aikInsaan> if i wanted to migrate my pidgin settings from windows to a linux box...where should I put the .purple directory?
 how dare <Abhijit> ventures out to help you. :D
[18:27] <chinmaya_n> tucemiux_mob, for what are you using that 'Alt' I guess it works normally
[18:27] <c4gru1> hello everyone, regards from Sao Paulo, Brazil
[18:27] <zroysch> hello
[18:28] <zroysch> how do I configure Unity?
[18:28] <chinmaya_n> kural, I didnt get u man !! :)
[18:28] <zroysch> having a really hard time finding any useful documentation on it
[18:28] <ThinkT510> !unity | zroysch
[18:29] <c4gru1> Hey folks, how can I manage Ubuntu workstations just like Windows does with GPO?
[18:29] <skrmm> Hey there. Is there any way to install Ubuntu Server 10.04 LTS onto the USB Flash stick and use it as its HDD? I also want to preinstall some packages and my own upstart job
[18:29] <tucemiux_mob> chinmaya_n, i think the problem is on the OS im using in virtualbox, im goign to install gest additions
[18:29] <ThinkT510> !usb | skrmm
[18:29] <chinmaya_n> tucemiux_mob, yaa... guest additions resolves many pro blems
[18:30] <_3vi1_> USB stick:  unetbootin
 did you get what <Abhijit> meant  ?
[18:31] <skrmm> ThinkT510, Than you, but before I'll dive in docs - is this possible as I've described?
[18:31] <ThinkT510> skrmm: sure, but i'm not sure how useful a server on a usbstick is
[18:31] <aikInsaan> if i wanted to migrate my pidgin settings from windows to a linux box...where should I put the .purple directory?
[18:32] <chinmaya_n> kural, Ya.. He directed me to the font which ubuntu title uses! and oCean told me that it uses ubuntu font !! so I'm dloading and trying it now!
[18:33] <carl_> Hi folks. I asked this question earlier but didn't get it to work. I have this computer (asus at3ion-t) with a vga and hdmi out. VGA works fine, no signal out on the HDMI. I'm plugging the HDMI into a telly, which I did get a signal with on windows 7. I don't want windows 7 on this system, it's too slow (plus my install drive is 16gb, windows was in danger of pushing past that)
[18:33] <skrmm> ThinkT510, I just need to record audio with arecord and store/rotate audio files on the usb stick + web access to them. Anyway, thank you for your suggestion
[18:33] <wdp> maybe i should try hdmi myself, then i could help people with it.
[18:34] <wdp> i see questions and problems regarding hdmi every day in various channels
[18:34] <the-newsman> hi
[18:34] <wdp> :>
[18:34] <ThinkT510> skrmm: wouldn't it be better to use the mini.iso rather than server to tailor your install how you like?
[18:34] <the-newsman> i need help to add shared printer on xp box to my BT box.
[18:34] <Abhijit> i was away
[18:34] <Abhijit> something happend in my back?
[18:34] <Abhijit> chinmaya_n, issue solved?
[18:35] <carl_> the at3ion-t has an nvidia ion chipset. Dunno if it's built into the processor itself, but if it's DX11 compatible then it shares workload with the cpu, and vice versa. Anyway, as well as a realtek sound chipset which works fine, it's got an nvidia HD audio chipset taht sends sound out via HDMI
[18:35] <skrmm> ThinkT510, mini.iso? What do you mean?
[18:35] <induz> how to mount a raw-cd ISO image on ubuntu??
[18:35] <ThinkT510> !mini | skrmm
[18:35] <chinmaya_n> kural, Abhijit , oCean : I just downloaded and saw it is not that font :-( It is what I was expecting -- UBUNTU title font/logo font.
[18:36] <Abhijit> ok
[18:36] <oCean> chinmaya_n: no, it is the font that is used in applications etc
[18:36] <chinmaya_n> Abhijit, Can u just look look in ur appearence window??
[18:36] <the-newsman> i need help to add shared printer on xp box to my BT box.
[18:36] <chinmaya_n> oCean, Ohk... I'll just try a live CD of ubuntu
[18:37] <induz> I want to mount a ISO iamge to view its folder. How can i do it without buring it on a CD/
[18:37] <skrmm> ThinkT510, Sounds really good. Thank you very much!
[18:37] <induz> basically to run it virtually
[18:38] <induz> is there any programs for it on ubuntu?
[18:38] <ThinkT510> skrmm: no worries :) reminds me of an arch install
[18:38] <Lasers> induz: Right-click on the ISO didn't work?
[18:38] <th0r> induz: I think it is mount -o loop filename mntpoint, or install acetoneiso
[18:38] <oCean> chinmaya_n: http://i.imgur.com/wqOSE.jpg  (it's kde, but still the ubuntu font)
[18:38] <Lasers> !iso | induz
 System - Preferences - > Appearence -- fonts,
[18:39] <habba> What would be the best way to have a program running with mono, restart if it crashes?
[18:39] <habba> is there a shell script to restart it when it crashes?
[18:39] <Abhijit_> chinmaya_n, ok
[18:39] <habba> automatically
 watchpid based script
[18:40] <induz> installing acetoneiso now...hope it works
[18:40] <habba> kural is it as simple as a batch file using start -wait?
 Logic : when it starts: count down : check: action
[18:42] <Abhijit_> chinmaya_n, this is my fonts in lucid http://imagebin.org/164512
[18:42] <Abhijit_> chinmaya_n, but they are not default i think. i have a new theme applied.
[18:42] <the-newsman> i need help to add shared printer on xp box to my BT box.
[18:43] <the-newsman> any1 to help me ?
 or you could use monit
[18:43] <chinmaya_n> oCean, Ya... I could see the same font I  've downloaded(as people told here)... I might be searching for some other font. I'll look into a live CD and can anybody confirm.
[18:43] <oCean> thenub3141: BT meaning backtrack?
[18:43] <habba> kural the program is running in termina., and when it crashes, it just goes back to the terminal path to its folder, is this script something that will just run the same command to start it again?
 monit would be a overkill tough
[18:43] <chinmaya_n> Abhijit_,Ya... this is the font I'm looking for...
[18:43] <oCean> thenub3141: sorry, not you
[18:43] <the-newsman> oCean yes
[18:43] <Abhijit_> chinmaya_n, ok
[18:43] <the-newsman> BT =backtrack
[18:43] <oCean> the-newsman: unfortunately that's not supported here
[18:43] <habba> monit looks like to much
[18:43] <ThinkT510> !backtrack | the-newsman
[18:43] <chinmaya_n> But As it says Sans But the sans in debian is so slim and thin
[18:43] <oCean> the-newsman: there's #backtrack-linux for that
[18:43] <the-newsman> oCean BT is built on ubuntu
[18:44] <oCean> the-newsman: can be, but it is a not supported derivative
[18:44] <the-newsman> oCean tell me how in ubuntu and it will be the same as BT
[18:44] <Abhijit_> chinmaya_n, ask debin people then
[18:44] <oCean> the-newsman: no, you have to ask in the appropriate channel
 if program pid doesnt exist , or dead. Remove dead pid file and xterm -e $program ? would that work ?
[18:44] <the-newsman> oCean well i have actually both. can u tell me how in ubuntu ?
[18:44] <habba> kural, your talking a bit above my level
[18:45] <techi_602> anyone remember command which display only printable text from binary file?
[18:45] <oCean> the-newsman: No, you're talking about BT, stop asking here
[18:45] <chinmaya_n> Abhijit_, Yaa... I tried .. But many dont know what ubuntu uses. so i came here :) I've to try a live CD now ;)
 sorry , that i could not be of your use.
[18:45] <the-newsman> oCean i talk abt ubuntu.
[18:45] <Lasers> chinmaya_n: See Advanced (under fonts). Change types.
[18:45] <chinmaya_n> Abhijit_, Thanx a lot buddy...
[18:46] <chinmaya_n> Lasers, Ya.. I did... but the results didnt fetch it..
[18:46] <the-newsman> any1 here to help me how to add shared printer on xp to ubuntu box ?
[18:46] <carl_> Hey, in previous versions of Ubuntu I was able to zoom in using that button between crtl and alt, and the scrolly wheel on the mouse
[18:46] <carl_> it doesn't work anymore.
[18:46] <Abhijit_> chinmaya_n, show them the image then. ask them how to get these fonts.
[18:46] <edbian> carl_: That button is called 'windows key' or 'super'  Install ccsm and turn on zoom desktop! :)
[18:47] <pfifo> the-newsman, samba/cifs dows sharing of UNIX printers to windows machines
[18:47] <carl_> so, apt-get ccsm? What's it called in the.. Unngh, where's synaptic?
 what exactly is the program you are running via terminal
[18:47] <carl_> I don't like how they got rid of the menus
[18:47] <oCean> the-newsman: what does lsb_release -d output?
[18:47] <skjoedt> Has anyone tried to get Ubuntu on Asus Eee Pad Transformer? What are your experience? What is not working at this stage?
[18:47] <chinmaya_n> Abhijit_, Ya... I'll do!! Thats a good Idea :cheers:
[18:47] <the-newsman> any1 here to help me how to add shared printer on xp to ubuntu box ?
[18:47] <Abhijit_> chinmaya_n, welcome.
[18:47] <habba> mono
[18:48] <habba> kural, mono which is running an Exe
[18:48] <edbian> carl_: You can use synaptic or apt-get:  sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[18:48] <edbian> carl_: What menus are you talking about?
[18:48] <nit-wit> carl_, right pane box with the + is the applications click and type sysnaptic
[18:48] <nit-wit> *panel
[18:48] <th0r> the-newsman: have you tried to find any info on the web? there are a number of good tutorials on that topic
[18:49] <nit-wit> carl_, sorrl left panel
[18:49] <the-newsman> ubuntu 10.0.4 LTS
[18:49] <the-newsman> th0r can u give me one ?
[18:49] <carl_> well, up to this version, you had a menu on the top, it's still there, showing wireless, email and things like that, but on the left hand side used to be tabs like places, system, I think the leftmost was called ubuntu or applications
[18:49] <Lasers> 10.0.4 does not exist!
[18:49] <kural> use pidof when exec the mono code. Store in a file & then watchpid ?
[18:49] <th0r> the-newsman: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=add+a+network+printer+to+ubuntu&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest
[18:49] <the-newsman> 10.04
[18:50] <edbian> carl_: You're talking about the gnome panel.  yeah those menus are gone now.  This new interface is called unity.  click the ubuntu button in the top left corner and you can search for synaptic or the term
[18:50] <oCean> the-newsman: still on the backtrack box?
[18:50] <kural> okay goto to go ...
[18:50] <pfifo> oCean, cause its impossible to use a 10.04 livecd of course
[18:50] <carl_> Oh right. I thought gnome was ingetral with ubuntu
[18:50] <oCean> pfifo: ?
[18:51] <habba> kural, sounds like it would work, would this be an sh file?
[18:52] <edbian> carl_: They use unity now which is built on gnome
[18:52] <pfifo> oCean, if he says he is using ubuntu 10.04 now instead of BT thats good enough for me.
[18:53] <claviusmond> im making a remove sh script with text editor, I need to change all the return pressings for spaces, how do I do that?
[18:54] <dr_willis> j #ubuntu+1
[18:55] <Trace> Hey, I got a question
[18:55] <Hamradio2008> how do I get t twitlive
[18:55] <zroysch> ThinkT510: I want to configure the shortcuts in the top menu. I don't see documentation on this. I mean there must be a simple config file or something?
[18:55] <dr_willis> !info twitlive
[18:55] <edbian> Trace: and that is?
[18:55] <Trace> How do you access a ubuntu distro without the pass, username, root, ect? You know, hack it?
[18:55] <Trace> ????
[18:55] <Lasers> Trace: Rip out the hard drive.
[18:55] <Trace> Anyone know how? Im just curious.
[18:55] <habba> I have a bat file for windows that does this, its just a simple way to have the program restart. If the program crashes, it just cycles back and runs the command again.
[18:55] <Hamradio2008> I am using xchat and ubuntu and want to get to the twitlive chat room
[18:55] <wols_> Trace: don't ask this again
[18:55] <dr_willis> Trace:  if you have physical access to the box. You boot a live cd.
[18:55] <zroysch> Lasers: that accomplishes alot
[18:56] <dr_willis> This is why you keep the pcs locked away.
[18:56] <ThinkT510> zroysch: i don't use unity, and its my understanding they don't want it very configurable (i use xfce)
[18:56] <wols_> dr_willis: hacking and helping to is against freenode policies
[18:56] <edbian> Trace: Well one way is to send data to a service that is running on that system in such a way it causes that service to crash.  Sometimes it can crash in a way that allows you do have an effect on the system.
[18:56] <LegacyTrace121> hm
[18:56] <edbian> LegacyTrace121: ^^
[18:56] <Hamradio2008> Can someone tell me how to configure xchat to get to twitlive chat room
[18:56] <andygraybeal> can anyone recommend an adsl modem?   brand/model -- i use westell's at work only because verizon has supplied them.
[18:56] <zroysch> ThinkT510: I see. That's incredibly retarded. I mean you're going to have the default gui with zero configuration? Huge mistake
[18:56] <edbian> LegacyTrace121: But that is extremely elaborate and usually impossible.  The most common way is to just guess username / paswords
[18:56] <wols_> andygraybeal: ##hardware
[18:56] <andygraybeal> thanks wo
[18:56] <andygraybeal> ls
[18:56] <dr_willis> Hamradio2008:  find the server you need and channel you need and connect to it.
[18:57] <Hamradio2008> how do you find the server
[18:57] <dr_willis> Hamradio2008:  check their web page? ive neer heard of the thing
[18:57] <edbian> harisund: google it
[18:58] <edbian> LegacyTrace121: Hacking is an extremely broad term.
[18:58] <dr_willis> and vague term
[18:58] <ThinkT510> zroysch: if you think about it, from a support point of view less should go wrong and it should be easier to troubleshoot (theoretically)
[18:59] <zroysch> ThinkT510: valid point
[18:59] <zroysch> ThinkT510: So, is it stable? I've heard reports saying not so much
[18:59] <ThinkT510> zroysch: but i prefer my desktop to my liking, hence i stick with xfce
[18:59] <ThinkT510> zroysch: thats why i said theoretically
[18:59] <Hamradio2008> the wiki page says The servername to connect is irc.twit.tv on port 6667, and we are chatting in #twitlive but I dont know how to get my xchat there?
[19:00] <scoates> hello. I'm following the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Jaunty and do-release-upgrade gives me "An upgrade from 'jaunty' to 'lucid' is not supported with this tool." ... help?
[19:00] <edbian> Hamradio2008: /server irc.twit.tv    and then /join #twitlive
[19:00] <edbian> Hamradio2008: But this is offtopic
[19:01] <Hamradio2008> where do you enter that in xchat? please help sorry for the questions that may be offtopic I am a newbe
[19:01] <Lasers> scoates: Do a clean installation.  It's probably the best idae.
[19:01] <Lasers> idea*
[19:01] <scoates> Lasers: it's a remote server so that's not an option
[19:01] <Trace> WWW.MEATSPIN.COM
[19:01] <Trace> WWW.MEATSPIN.COM
[19:01] <FloodBot1> Trace: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:01] <edbian> Hamradio2008: Same place you talk to us
[19:01] <edbian> Trace: I thought we could have a real discussion!
[19:01] <edbian> by by
[19:02] <Hamradio2008>  /server irc.twit.tv
[19:02] <Hamradio2008> ?
[19:02] <dr_willis> try without the space... :)
[19:02] <edbian> Hamradio2008: yes, without a space of course
[19:02] <dr_willis> this is when you may want to go spend 10 min reading the xchat irc beginners guides...
[19:03] <dr_willis> if that web site had given the irc channel as a url like irc://irc.twit.tv/twitlive
[19:03] <dr_willis> it may have been trivial :)
[19:04] <ConvolutedMusing> I'm having a problems while scanning for package updates. I'm using 10.04 and get an error talking about not being able to find jaunty backport sources. Error output is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/650784/ Any solutions to this?
[19:04] <dr_willis> ConvolutedMusing:  you are using Jaunty?
[19:04] <dr_willis> !jaunty
[19:04] <dr_willis> the servers prob. have been moved/closed down.
[19:04] <jmwpc> Any recommendations for a dyndns client? I see several in the repos...
[19:05] <ConvolutedMusing> dr_willis: As I stated, I'm using 10.04 aka Lucid
[19:05] <dr_willis> jmwpc:  many routers have them built in. :)
[19:05] <dr_willis> ConvolutedMusing:  then you dont need any jaumty repos/entries in your sources. remove them
[19:05] <ConvolutedMusing> dr_willis: How do I remove them?
[19:05] <dr_willis> text editor, or rm command.. depending on where they are comming from
[19:05] <jmwpc> dr_willis: Mine does... but I have a paid dyn dns account and it only appears to update the main domain name... I was hoping a client might update all of them for me.
[19:06] <dr_willis>  /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/files
[19:06] <dr_willis> jmwpc:  Hmm. I just go the cheap route. :) so cant suggest any.
[19:07] <jmwpc> dr_willis: no problem... I'll keep digging here a bit. Maybe there is something on the dyndns end I can configure too
[19:09] <white_magic> is there a way to reset all network settings to default in ubuntu 11.04? specifically im concerned with wifi networks' settings
[19:10] <jmwpc> dr_willis: Looks like the router takes a comma separated list afterall. Problem solved :)
[19:10] <quatrz> hi, cant install ubuntu 11.04. from Live CD. it crashes at language pack. Google searching not helped
[19:11] <aureianimus> do you have wired internet?
[19:11] <slgma> are there any apps to control the mouse on another computer (not vnc, just the mouse)
[19:12] <quatrz> me?
[19:12] <aureianimus> sorry, yes, quartz, you
[19:12] <quatrz> yea, wired and wifi usb stick also.
[19:13] <GOMI> what distro is best for a 10gig hd ??
[19:13] <slgma> wasnt talking to you specfically
[19:13] <slgma> but thank you
[19:13] <dr_willis> slgma:  can you see the other pc's monitor? if so you can use synergy. to get a remote keyboard/mouse setup
[19:13] <slgma> lol willis
[19:13] <slgma> actually
[19:13] <slgma> about 5 seconds before you said that, i intsalled synergy
[19:13] <slgma> gonna try it now
[19:13] <dr_willis> GOMI:  ubuntu can fit. but it depends on what work you want to do with it as to how useable it will be.
[19:14] <slgma> how do you run synergy
[19:14] <aureianimus> quartz, in that case, i don't know
[19:14] <dr_willis> slgma:  it can take a little tweaking.. its configuration could be s bit more friendly
[19:14] <dr_willis> you run synergys on the 'server' and syngeryc on the client. and configure both via a config file. theres some guis to it.
[19:15] <dr_willis>  sudo apt-get install quicksynergy synergy
[19:15] <Dan__> hi, i reinstalled windows and changed grub to point to it but it says 'bootmgr missing' or something. it doesnt do this if i just select the drive in boot options, how do i fix it?
[19:15] <dr_willis> quicksynergy = gui to config it
[19:16] <quatrz>  someone else can help me? ubuntu instalation crashing at language pack. cant install ubuntu.
[19:16] <everybody-> hi
[19:16] <wols_> Dan__: by installing windows properly this time. you changed boot order, installed windows and then changed the boot order back to how it was. that's bad and will not work.
[19:17] <Dan__> quatrz: you could try to install using the alternate install ISO
[19:18] <slgma> dr_willis  you still there
[19:18] <white_magic> anyone know how i might be able reset all wireless settings (and wifi networks' settings) in ubuntu?
[19:18] <slgma> i read the help but im not sure how to set this up
[19:19] <dr_willis> slgma:  quicksynergy = gui to config it
[19:19] <dr_willis> server will be the pc you are typing/mouseing at.. client is the remote.
[19:19] <slgma> dr_willis, <3
[19:19] <slgma> kk gotcha
[19:19] <random0> Q) What's the easiest way to update a Ubuntu 10.04 LTS iso image ?
[19:19] <quatrz> Dan_:  which one? older version 10.04 or 11.04 64bit? No other choices is given.
[19:20] <dr_willis> random0:  you mean convert a 10.04 to a 10.04.4 image ?
[19:20] <random0> nope apt-get update, the current 10.04 so i can re burn
[19:20] <random0> chroot ?
[19:20] <dr_willis> random0:  you dont really 'update' an iso image file..
[19:21] <dr_willis>  unless you some how resync/zsync/it.. easiest to just download the latest
[19:21] <Dan__> quatrz: http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/ you will have to download and burn the ISO again.
[19:21] <random0> ok rebuild the iso like you could ages ago
[19:21] <dr_willis> I dont even recall the caommand to 'resync sync' them. used it in beta ages ago.. dident seem to work very well then.
[19:21] <pfifo> random0, download and burn, use the 'toram' boot option if you only have 1 cd rom and only a live enviroment
[19:22] <dr_willis> http://www.howtogeek.com/60406/how-to-upgrade-your-ubuntu-iso-without-re-downloading/
[19:22] <quatrz> Dan_: thanx i'll try.
[19:22] <dr_willis> it 'zsync' :)
[19:24] <tucemiux> how do you probe for another OS?
[19:25] <ThinkT510> tucemiux: sudo update-grub
[19:25] <dr_willis> their upgrade tests redownloaded like 80% of the Iso. :)  not a lot of saveings i guess.
[19:25] <tucemiux> ThinkT510: thanks! that's the command I was looking for
[19:26] <ThinkT510> tucemiux: it should probe automatically, if it doesn't add to the list you need to add it manually
[19:26] <tucemiux> ThinkT510: update-grub should add another entry?? or do I need to run anything else?
[19:26] <trism> dr_willis: it's more useful for the ubuntu+1 daily cds, since they don't change much
[19:27] <tucemiux> does every OS need to have its own /boot partition for the thing to work???
[19:27] <dr_willis> trism:  yea. thats about the only time ive seen it mentioned/used :)
[19:27] <dr_willis> tucemiux:  not really.
[19:28] <dr_willis> tucemiux:  but a /boot/ partition can be handy.
[19:28] <ThinkT510> tucemiux: no, it will find the kernels
[19:28] <tucemiux> dr_willis: I couldnt install 11.04 without a "/boot" partition and now I just isntalled archlinux on another partition but grub2 cant boot into it
[19:28] <dr_willis> you can install 11.04 with out a boot.. but i guess if you got a weird setup it may need one.
[19:28] <dr_willis> to boot properly
[19:29] <ThinkT510> tucemiux: works fine for me, added the arch entry automatically
[19:29] <dr_willis> you may need to configure grub2 by hand to add it...
[19:29] <dr_willis> grub2 can only be so smart. :) if the archlinux partiton is not mounted when you run update-grub - it may skip it.
[19:29] <tucemiux> ThinkT510:  how did you do it? I already have dual boot with XP and ubuntu set up, now I want to add archlinux in 10 gigs of free space
[19:30] <ThinkT510> tucemiux: i just ran sudo update-grub, it added automatically
[19:30] <daanish> what is the best file manager?
[19:30] <ThinkT510> !best | daanish
[19:31] <dr_willis> daanish:  depends on your needs.
[19:31] <dr_willis> daanish:  depending on the task. i use differnt ones.
[19:31] <daanish> I was actually trying to figure out what the chatroom was for the bot ^_^ thanks!
[19:31] <tucemiux> ThinkT510: I have bad luck then 'cos its not happening on my machine, im going to try creatin  a "/boot" partition for arch
[19:31] <ThinkT510> !brain | daanish
[19:31] <daanish> dr_willis, can I just say that I've been in here about a dozen times over the last few years and I always always see you here. You are inspiring.
[19:32] <tucemiux> ThinkT510: wait, so y ou first installed arch without installing a boot loader, then you went into ubuntu and ran update-grub ?
[19:32] <daanish> thanks ThinkT510
[19:32] <ThinkT510> daanish: no worries :)
[19:32] <rubenjr> query rypervenche
[19:32] <ThinkT510> tucemiux: yeah
[19:33] <dr_willis> daanish:  and yes. i have no life...
[19:34] <ThinkT510> dr_willis: correction, you have a life of service to the ubuntu community
[19:35] <Arcademan> May I ask, is Gnome 3 going to be supported like installed on 12.04 near future
[19:35] <daanish> dr_willis, What ThinkT510 said. =]
[19:36] <ThinkT510> Arcademan: i think it is going to be supported, when i'm not sure, i thought it was the next release 11.10()
[19:36] <slgma> dr_willis
[19:36] <slgma> this doesnt work :/
[19:36] <slgma> read that theres issues with ubuntu
[19:39] <dr_willis> slgma:  had it work in the past. not tried it lately
[19:40] <dr_willis> so 'issues with ubuntu' would be a bit far reaching. :)
[19:41] <ronqbc> how can i know if i have graphic accelaration?
[19:41]  * everybody- says hi
[19:41] <dr_willis> http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/ubuntu-10.04.3-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[19:41] <dr_willis> doh.. wrong paste.. :)
[19:41] <dr_willis> syngery howto --> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynergyHowto
[19:42] <everybody-> Does anyone know if there's any difference between the normal and the alternative ubuntu isos, other than the GUI/CLI installation?
[19:42] <dr_willis> slgma:  one issue may be you need to set up the ip to hostname in /etc/hosts or just use the ip# in the configs
[19:42] <dr_willis> everybody-:  the alt-cd can be used for a upgrade. and a few other special cases. but the os they install is the same
[19:43] <stephenthemartyr> would anyone know if the'low-latency kernel by Alessio Igor Bogani is any good?
[19:46] <ThinkT510> stephenthemartyr: my i PM you?
[19:46] <ThinkT510> may
[19:46] <stephenthemartyr> sure do i have to have an acount to do that cuz i dont think i have one
[19:47] <everybody-> @dr willis, thanks. I've had some trouble with ubuntu on one PC. It installs fine, but doesn't startup past the bootscreen.
[19:47] <everybody-> btw, I've tried 10.04 and later versions.
[19:47] <ThinkT510> stephenthemartyr: check the left
[19:49] <slgma> dr_willis
[19:49] <slgma> i got it working by following a different tutorial, and downgrading it
[19:49] <slgma> thanks again for your help
[19:49] <slgma> its amazing
[19:49]  * everybody- needs further assistance with the above problem.
[19:49] <edbian> everybody-: What is the problem?
[19:49] <slgma> do you happen to know of an audio client/server, like so i can hear the audio from the client pc
[19:50] <everybody->  I've had some trouble with ubuntu on one PC. It installs fine, but doesn't startup past the bootscreen.
[19:50] <slgma> did you format the whole drive
[19:50] <nothingspecial> slgma: mpd
[19:50] <slgma> or does it have multiple partitions
[19:50] <edbian> everybody-: What if you turn off quite and splash, can you see any errors during boot?
[19:50] <slgma> thanks nothingspecial
[19:50] <slgma> is it hard to setup
[19:51] <everybody-> @edbian, How do I turn those off?
[19:51] <edbian> everybody-: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[19:51] <everybody-> thanks
[19:51] <edbian> everybody-: How did I see that coming? :P
[19:51] <edbian> everybody-: sure
[19:52] <nothingspecial> slgma: no, there is a commented example conf that ou need to edit
[19:52] <slgma> awesome, thanks
[19:52] <nothingspecial> slgma: plenty of info through a search
[19:52] <slgma> kk, thanks again
[19:52] <slgma> nothingspecial, whats the best client to use
[19:52] <slgma> the most lightweight one
[19:54] <nothingspecial> slgma: There are console clients such as ncmpc or ncmpcpp
[19:55] <mrk1> Hi everyone, i am using wine to run an application but it is giving me an error because i dont have bonjour installed any ideas?
[19:56] <slgma> nothignspecial
[19:56] <slgma> nothingspecial, is it compatible with mplayer for videos
[19:56] <carl_> Banshee is greyed out but is still playing music. Oh, that's a point, what do I use to put music to and from my ipod? I dont' want to use itunes
[19:56] <ReL1K> Anyone experiencing issues with 11.04 and subversion checkins? I'm getting a "Couldn't perform atomic initialization" and in logs: SQLite compiled for 3.7.4, but running with 3.5.6 ", sqlite3 shows 3.7.4 as installed
[19:57] <slgma> carl, what kind of ipod
[19:57] <slgma> rhythmbox worked great for ipods for me
[19:57] <slgma> well, except for the ipod touch 4g
[19:57] <nothingspecial> slgma: no
[19:58] <slgma> oh damn
[19:58] <slgma> nevermind then
[19:58] <nothingspecial> slgma: cvlc
[19:58] <slgma> :(
[19:58] <slgma> ok forget it then ill just use headphones on the other pc
[19:58] <slgma> its a slow pc and mplayer is the only media player it handles well
[19:58] <slgma> vlc is kinda bloated
[19:58] <slgma> thank you for all your help
[19:58] <slgma> i really appreciate it
[19:59] <dr_willis> vlc has a remote control feature. :)
[19:59] <slgma> ill try vlc on it
[20:00] <slgma> and see if it doesnt lag like crazy
[20:00] <dr_willis> i can controll vlc on the pc. via my AndroidPhone. :)
[20:00] <slgma> yea
[20:00] <nothingspecial> slgma: going
[20:00] <slgma> i do the same thing with XBMC
[20:00] <dr_willis> actaully i can stream to my phone  via vlc, and xbmc, and gmote. and some other apps. :)
[20:00] <slgma> i control my xbmc with my android phone
[20:00] <slgma> yea airshare
[20:00] <slgma> or whatever
[20:01] <dr_willis> I bought a Boxee box the other day also. :) its a Mini-pc that just runs boxee
[20:01] <carl_> Banshee is taking a long, two minute pause between songs. I have just given it my music library (dunno how big it is, but it's big) to sort, and it's finished indexing them. What's making it take so long?
[20:01] <mrk1> dr_willis can you also stream mkv files?
[20:02] <dr_willis> mrk1:  i never noticed the file type matering.  Ive only done it a few times. its easier to just download and play them off the phones sd card.
[20:03] <AMAG> Hello, I have an ubuntu 10.10 machine which I've just swapped much hardware on.  When booting, the display simply has "Ubuntu 10.10" and the progressing red/gray dots, and on vty1 is a few error messages including it not finding one filesystem, an "init: ureadahead main process (479) terminated with status 5" and a "[    9.127847] Too many connections"
[20:04] <alex--> AMAG: what do you mean exactly my much hardware?
[20:04] <mrk1> dr_willis but you have been able to do video though
[20:04] <AMAG> I'm not sure if there is disk activity as the disk is on a raid controller without any activity LED.  Is it likely the machine is busy running fsck and will proceed to boot eventually, or may it be confused and requiring intervention?
[20:04] <ronqbc> how can i know if i have graphic accelaration?
[20:04] <ritzz> is there a way to set internet speed for wireless and also to wired connections?
[20:04] <everybody-> Yes
[20:04] <alex--> AMAG: what do you mean exactly my much hardware?
[20:04] <alex--> by *
[20:05] <AMAG> alex--:Same RAID card and disks, everything else changed.  Old CPU or mainboard failed, so I just replaced mainboard, CPU, RAM, DVD, PSU, etc.
[20:05] <mrk1> does anyone know what bonjour is?
[20:05] <carl_> great, and the damn thing doesn't only not take a long time to play, it doesn't play the songs from the start. Do I need the latest and greatest processor to run a media player?
[20:06] <alex--> AMAG: try to do it in steps, so first the ram, then the dvd, and when you insert something, no errors, you continue, and when you insert the part that is wrong, you know which one it is
[20:06] <AMAG> If fsck is running it may take a long time since the machine previously crashed when the CPU failed, so the raid controller is no doubt doing a verify that will take a long time and greatly slow the disk access
[20:06] <dr_willis> carl_:  depends on the media.. 1080p can be a bit of a cpu hog.
[20:06] <KagomeS> I want to "downgrade" my Ubuntu.  I have the DVDs written.  Is Lucid Lynx or Maverick Meerkat better?
[20:06] <carl_> I was playing either mp3's or FLAC
[20:07] <dr_willis> KagomeS:  depends on your needds. many people stick to the LTS versions
[20:07] <dr_willis> !lts
[20:07] <AMAG> alex--:Well, I already bought all the new parts and swapped the raid/hdds into the new box.  I am just trying to figure out if it's hung right now or if it is just taking a long time to fsck.
[20:07] <dr_willis> carl_:  id think it need very little power to play audio files.
[20:07] <alsuna> mrk1: maybe this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonjour_%28software%29
[20:07] <alex--> At which step are you in the booting process exactly amag?
[20:08] <mrk1> alsuna no i meant how to install it for ubuntu
[20:08] <carl_> Well it's taking about two minutes to laod up a song, then doesn't play it from the start, it plays it from however long the gap is. I think I'll just use VLC, and have to use a mac or windows machine to use the ipod
[20:08] <KagomeS> dr_wills - scribus, gimp, inkscape (graphics); lots of writing (mainly just open office, probably); OpenShot video editor, some games (logic ones mainly)
[20:08] <AMAG> I'm not certain.  There isn't much indication of what is going on.  vty1 only has 7 lines on it, the last one is that [    9.127847] Too many connections
[20:09] <KagomeS> I hate the Unity format, so probably will just stick with Lucid.  Thanks!
[20:09] <alex--> At which step are you in the booting process exactly AMAG
[20:09] <edbian> KagomeS: You can use 11.04 and gnome2.x or kde or xfce or any other!
[20:09] <edbian> KagomeS: 11.04 does not require unity
[20:10] <AMAG> alex--:I really don't know.  vty7 is displaying "Ubuntu 10.10" and the progressing red/gray dots, and vty1 just has those few messages.  The dot pattern on vty7 is still moving.
[20:10] <alsuna> mrk1: i have no idea, just googling it now, what about this: http://avahi.org/
[20:11] <alex--> AMAG: press right arrow
[20:11] <alex--> you will see what's going on
[20:11] <KagomeS> edbian  Yes, I Have Natty Narwhal install right now.  It "works," but not all that wel. I have a disk for Maverick Meerkat written, too.
[20:11] <edbian> KagomeS: Why don't you try xfce on natty?  or gnome2.x?
[20:12] <falathar> is it possible to have both Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio installed on the same partition at the same time?
[20:13] <KagomeS> edbian, I've tried classic and others on Natty.  I still have problems with it not responding correctly.
[20:13] <AMAG> alex--:okay, it looks like it was running fsck, but now that screen shows, at the bottom, "init: ureadahead-other main process (1743) terminated with status 4"
[20:13] <edbian> KagomeS: alright.  I just don't think you're going to get better performance on a  different version.  I suggest you grab the latest LTS if you're not going to use 11.04  (that's 10.04)
[20:14] <alex--> AMAG: i have no idea about that error
[20:14] <AMAG> hrm :-/
[20:14] <KagomeS> edbian, yes, going to use Lucid Lynx . . . I was doing well with that one.
[20:14] <edbian> bye apparently
[20:16] <pfifo> falathar, yes
[20:16] <Oxymoron> I try again with HDMI. Have someone else tried to fix HDMI output from ubuntu? How do you search for bug search it? I googled and found a earlier bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/722501, I have exact same laptop ulvt with nvidia G210
[20:16] <pfifo> falathar, to be more accurate, you can simply install all of ubuntu studios packages on a normal ubuntu
[20:17] <falathar> pfifo: okay, thanks :D
[20:17] <ritzz> please any one?
[20:18] <Oxymoron> Last try with nvida resulted in a defect xorg.conf file ... which locked me out fromUbuntu with fatal error xD
[20:18] <ronqbc> how can i know if i have graphic accelaration?
[20:19] <edbian> ronqbc: unity works
[20:19] <edbian> ronqbc: probably the easiest way to know
[20:19] <JasFasolka> Problem involves files view. In "tight" view (my translate, I got polish version) it kinda "cuts" names of the files. If the file is long I can't see it all, hell, I see only a lil part of its name. Some way to change it so I can see more?
[20:20] <ronqbc> edbian, can you explain me more about what should works in unity?
[20:20] <AMAG> alex--:ctrl+alt+del rebooted and then it came up to gdm correctly.  Go figure! :)
[20:20] <pfifo> ronqbc, i always run the program glxgears
[20:20] <edbian> ronqbc: Either it lets you log into unity or not. that's all there is to it
[20:20] <edbian> ronqbc: glxgears is another way
[20:21] <pfifo> ronqbc, but with glxgears it only gives you a framerate, you would need to know beforehand what your systems is supposed to get
[20:22] <ronqbc> edbian, what is really unity? so it isn't the left bar?
[20:23] <edbian> ronqbc: The left bar is part of unity
[20:23] <ThinkT510> !unity | ronqbc
[20:23] <tucemiux> ThinkT510: do you have a "/boot" partition your ubuntu distro ?
[20:23] <JasFasolka> Problem involves files view. In "tight" view (my translate, I got polish version) it kinda "cuts" names of the files. If the file is long I can't see it all, hell, I see only a lil part of its name. Some way to change it so I can see more?
[20:24] <ThinkT510> tucemiux: nope, just /
[20:24] <ronqbc> ok thanks
[20:24] <ThinkT510> tucemiux: still can't get it to detect arch?
[20:24] <Zephyr> !list
[20:26] <john_rambo> Can the live cd read ZFS ?
[20:26] <ThinkT510> no
[20:28] <tucemiux> ThinkT510: screw it! Im going to reformat my hard drive, reinstall ubuntustudio and then install arch
[20:29] <MrUnagi> is there a postfix front end?
[20:29] <intlkleinblue> hi, i am wishing to encrypt a series of strings individually with AES256 on the fly from commandline using ubuntu, how do I go about doing this?
[20:32] <Andy-at-home> guys, anyone familiar with VPNs on ubuntu? are there any considerations I need to think about? What package would yous recommend? How difficult to setup? I'm looking to use it for my android phone
[20:32] <kenneth_> Anyone here familiar with John the Ripper?
[20:32] <Milp_main> hmm how would one make a script that gets automatically executed as soon as a chroot environment is started?
[20:32] <edbian> Andy-at-home: It's built into network manager isn't it?
[20:33] <ThinkT510> !vpn | Andy-at-home
[20:33] <frostschutz> intlkleinblue: are you sure you don't want gpg or similar? aes is a block oriented cipher so it's not that easy; both key and input string have to be of correct length (or padded accordingly). you can use any scripting language that supports crypt with this particular cipher, e.g. python.
[20:33] <intlkleinblue> how would i use gpg to encrypt a string on the fly frostschutz ? i know you can do gpg -c 'file.txt'
[20:34] <intlkleinblue> but how do i do say, gpg -c 'this string of text
[20:34] <intlkleinblue> '
[20:34] <frostschutz> Milp_main: chroot /path script? or a .bashrc within the chroot?
[20:34] <alsuna> intlkleinblue: gpg -e 'this string of text'
[20:34] <Milp_main> something that automatically starts from inside
[20:34] <Milp_main> .bashrc?
[20:34] <kenneth_> I am an uber-n00b and I desperately need some help.
[20:35] <intlkleinblue> alsuna: why does it have to have a reciepent?
[20:35] <intlkleinblue> i'm not really looking for public key crypto here...
[20:36] <alsuna> intlkleinblue: ok, then gpg is not for you
[20:36] <edbian> kenneth_: here for ya
[20:36] <kyan> Hello! My computer displays a blank screen on boot. It starts booting normally but when it normally displays a graphical login, it is blank. What should I do to fix it?
[20:36] <kenneth_> I'm in a linux class and i can't figure out this assignment.
[20:36] <edbian> kenneth_: I can help.
[20:36] <edbian> kenneth_: wanna PM me?
[20:37] <edbian> kyan: Have you tried turning off splash and quite on the grub menu?
[20:37] <th0r> wish I had had irc in school
[20:37] <kyan> No, how would I do that?
[20:37] <edbian> kyan: or turning on nomodeset?   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[20:37] <edbian> kyan: that link explains how to do all three.
[20:37] <frogger> hi all
[20:37] <edbian> kyan: more questions are welcome :)
[20:37] <frogger> i have a little dns related question that maybe someone can help me with
[20:37] <nit-wit> kenneth_, what's up
[20:37] <edbian> frogger: sure
[20:37] <kyan> edbian: Ok, thanks!
[20:38] <frogger> i have a bind server running on our net that does dns-caching as well as master for local dns
[20:38] <edbian> kyan: sure
[20:38] <frogger> now i would like to override an external domain to point to a server in our local net
[20:38] <edbian> frogger: k...
[20:38] <frogger> what would be the smartest way to handle this?
[20:38] <kyan> edbian: I have had the graphical login working, but it stopped after a crash.
[20:38] <relix> Hi, my root disk just ran out of inodes and I can't explain why
[20:38] <kyan> edbian: I'll try those.
[20:38] <alsuna> intlkleinblue: I'm just looking through the manpage, what you want is probably the -c option. put your string into a file, then do the gpg -c
[20:38] <frogger> with dnsmasq this would be something like address=/example.com/<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:38] <edbian> kyan: sure, nomodeset is worth a short.  Turn off all kernel options to see some errors if it doesn't work.
[20:39] <relix> it's a 15GB partition, with apparently 960K inodes in (I didn't change this on install I think), and it's only used for /* and /tmp (so no /home)
[20:39] <relix> is it normal for your root disk to use up a million indoes, or did something go wrong? I already fsck with noresults
[20:41] <frostschutz> intlkleinblue: echo "foobar" | gpg --batch --passphrase "whatever" -c -o -
[20:43] <Milp_main> hmm i got an lxde session and it wont start anything i cilck on, what could be wrong?
[20:44] <anli_> how do I reinstall every package thats installed?
[20:45] <nit-wit> Milp_main, have you loggged out and back in to see if there is a change?
[20:45] <Milp_main> uh i gotta see if i can
[20:45] <Milp_main> no clicking logout doesnt do anything either
[20:46] <Milp_main> the run dialog still seems to work
[20:46] <dr_willis> anli_:  why do you want to do that?
[20:47] <kyan> edbian: Hmm, now I have a text-mode plymouth boot screen, but it gives me a vboxdrv hardware performance counter error, and does not finish booting.  (I know it scrolls fast).  What is the complete vbox error?  (is this a virtual machine?)
[20:48] <anli_> I should not have tried installing gtk+ 3.0 from src
[20:48] <dr_willis> anli_:  thats a little vague.. you may be better off doing a reinstall  if you have been messint with stuff from source.
[20:48] <kyan> edbian: when it crashed, I was trying to build Banshee from source (for no particular reason beyond curiosity)
[20:48] <anli_> dr_willis: I cannot do a reinstall, and if there is a way to reinstall every package, I dont need a reinstall
[20:48] <edbian> kyan: That should be fine.  Answer my questions please.
[20:49] <dr_willis> guess you could try reinstalling all the gtk* related packages. apt-get can take wildcards
[20:49] <dr_willis> anli_:  you would no tneed to reinstall EVERY pacakge...
[20:49] <dr_willis> apt-get install --reinstall gtk*    perhaps....
[20:49] <anli_> but I dont have to do that manually, computers are good on that stuff
[20:49] <kyan> edbian: It did not scroll fast, it displayed one error then stopped: vboxdrv: Warning: 2.6.31+ kernel detected. Most likely the hardware performance counter framework which can generate NMIs is active. You have to prevent the usage of hardware performance counters by echo 2 > /proc/sys/kernel/perf_counter_paranoid
[20:50] <dr_willis> !clone
[20:50] <edbian> kyan: it's telling you what command to run to fix the problem.  echo 2 > /proc/sys/...
[20:50] <anli_> dr_willis: Seems that such a command will try to expand filenames in the current directory starting with gtk
[20:50] <dr_willis> you could modify that 'clone' trick above to reinstall i guess...
[20:50] <dr_willis> anli_:  if they exist...
[20:50] <dr_willis> anli_:  so do it in an empty dir.
[20:50] <kyan> edbian: no it's not a vm. Also I think I have gotten that error in the past with no problems.
[20:50] <edbian> kyan: Run the command it says to run
[20:50] <kyan> But sure I will run it.
[20:51] <edbian> kyan: sure :)
[20:51] <edbian> kyan: Look at the file and see if there is a 2 there already
[20:51] <edbian> :)
[20:51] <anli_> dr_willis: Hm, interesting, I get conflicts
[20:52] <anli_> Its strange there is no apt-get repair
[20:52] <dr_willis> anli_:  given what you are trying to do.. id be impressed if it worked..
[20:52] <anli_> dr_willis: for what reason?
[20:52] <dr_willis> plus trying to do all packages at once. will proberly fill up the bash command line buffer.. it can only be so long
[20:53] <Milp_main> ok correction: I can open the file explorer in lxde and open things like the run dialog or file permission windows, but i cant log out or open applications, the cpu usage will spike for a second and go back down and nothing happens
[20:53] <anli_> dpkg -l does not list packages as I want, one per line and only a single column
[20:53] <dr_willis> You dont need to reinstall 'every' package for starters.. perhaps only 5% of the installed packages are gtk related
[20:53] <dr_willis> anli_:  check that !clone factoid abocve. it gves command lines to make a file with one per line
[20:53] <anli_> But if I reinstall all packages, I will reinstall that 5% of the packages as well
[20:54] <dr_willis> then a command line to read the listing
[20:54] <dr_willis> !clone
[20:54] <kyan> edbian: I can't boot in recovery mode to be able to examine that file or to run the command.
[20:55] <kyan> edbian: IThe last message it gave me was: [sdc] Attached SCSI disk.
[20:55] <anli_> But what if I apt-get install --reinstall *
[20:55] <edbian> kyan: that last message is not an error.  It's saying found a hdd.  Can you boot a liveCD ?
[20:55] <MrUnagi> is there a postfix front end
[20:56] <anli_> I tried apt-get install --reinstall \*
[20:56] <kyan> edbian: Yes I have been able to. This recovery mode problem is wierd though because it's been able to boot in recovery mode in the past even after the crash that broke it.
[20:56] <anli_> Trying Iapt-get install --reinstall .\*
[20:56] <dr_willis> if the * gets expaneded to all the packages.. it will fill the bash command line buffer.
[20:56] <MrUnagi> oh sweet
[20:56] <kyan> edbian: All my livecds though are for older versions that don't support ext4 partition though.
[20:56] <edbian> kyan: mmm ,strange.  Save that command (write it down or something) I forget it already.  echo 2 > /proc/sys/... something.
[20:57] <anli_> will apt-get install --reinstall .\* try to "reinstall" non-installed packages as well?
[20:57] <edbian> kyan: You need a live CD or recovery mode :/
[20:57] <edbian> or a live USB.  You have another computer?  Make a new liveCD / usb
[20:57] <kyan> edbian: Yes I saved it in a text file: echo 2 > /proc/sys/kernel/perf_counter_paranoid
[20:57] <edbian> kyan: cool
[20:57] <kyan> edbian: Yes I do that's how I'm chatting here :-D
[20:57] <edbian> kyan: yay!
[20:58] <kyan> edbian: I have a really slow connection though :-( so I can't download the image easily (it would take hours)
[20:58] <kyan> edbian: and it's a mac  which does'nt make any thing easier for me since I don't really know macs well :-D
[20:58] <edbian> kyan: awww :(  Don't know what to tell you.  You need to edit a file on that hdd
[20:58] <edbian> kyan: ha :/
 test
 kyan test
[20:59] <edbian> anders_office: :)
[21:00] <kyan> edbian: HA! Just got recovery mode by unplugging the offending disc.
[21:00] <dr_willis> kyan:  :) that will teach that disk!
[21:00] <edbian> kyan: yay!!
[21:01] <edbian> kyan: try writing to the file but since the hdd removal fixed it I have my doubts
[21:04] <kyan> edbian: There is no file /proc/sys/kernel/perf_counter_paranoid
[21:04] <th0r> kyan: that command will create it
[21:04] <edbian> kyan: th0r is right
[21:04] <kyan> edbian: ???? Confused…
[21:05] <kyan> edbian: ok... when I ran the command (as root) it said bash: /proc/sys/kernel/perf_counter_paranoid: No such file or directory
[21:06] <intlkleinblue> ubottu: !vpn
[21:06] <intlkleinblue> ubottu: !irc
[21:06] <edbian> kyan: try again, if you do sudo echo 2 it should not complain about the file missing.  it should just create it
[21:07] <dr_willis> actually with using sudo and > redirecton. you may need to do the sudo tee trick..
[21:07] <kyan> edbian: Same response, but anyway I was already running as root
[21:07] <dr_willis> echo "foo" | sudo tee /root/somefile
[21:08] <intlkleinblue> ubottu: !vim
[21:08] <intlkleinblue> interesting, ubottu knows everything
[21:08] <edbian> kyan: make the file (with all those folders) and put a 2 in it
[21:08] <intlkleinblue> ubottu: !life
[21:09] <intlkleinblue> gotcha, thx ubottu
[21:10] <kyan> edbian: I tried using nano to make the file as requested an it sais: [ Error writing perf_counter_paranoid: No such file or directory ]
[21:11] <Andy-at-home> guys, the guide im using to setup pptpd says to look at /var/log/messages for the errors but theres nothing there
[21:11] <edbian> kyan: what?
[21:11] <edbian> kyan: did you use sudo nano  ?
[21:12] <kyan> edbian: well no I was already root
[21:12] <kyan> edbian: I can try again though with sudo
[21:12] <kyan> edbian: TRied with sudo, but it gave the same error.
[21:12] <edbian> kyan: How are you root?
[21:12] <edbian> kyan: nevermind can you copy / paste the command you're running?
[21:12] <Brixius111> Hello, in trying to install ubuntu from a usb key, ive used this key to install other machines, however its locking up on a toshiba laptop on boot.  Right after initializing net
[21:13] <th0r> kyan: do you have a hard drive running? Or did you unplug the only hard drive?
[21:13] <Andy-at-home> as in theres no file /var/log/messages file
[21:13] <kyan> edbian: well not copy/paste but I can type it here: sudo nano perf_counter_paranoid; I ran that after cding to /proc/sys/kernel
[21:14] <kyan> th0r: I have two internal hard drives plugged in.
[21:14] <kyan> th0r: I don't think it would have booted without them because they are where the os is
[21:15] <th0r> kyan: ok...thought you had booted from a live cd
[21:15] <edbian> th0r: This is strange?
[21:15] <kyan> th0r: no. I did not.
[21:15] <MrUnagi> !postfix
[21:15] <th0r> edbian: yeah, it is.
[21:15] <kyan> edbian: No kidding :-D
[21:15] <anli_> Is this a good reinstall script: http://pastebin.com/insQbhzF
[21:15] <edbian> r/o file system?
[21:16] <th0r> kyan: can you do a 'ls /proc/sys' and see if there is anything there? there should be, among other things, a kernel directory
[21:16] <kyan> edbian: shouldn't be. it's a normal hard disc, same one I used all along
[21:16] <kyan> th0r: sure.
[21:17] <quidnunc> How do I adjust power management
[21:17] <quidnunc> ?
[21:17] <th0r> kyan: I only see 7 folders in /proc/sys, but one is the kernel
[21:17] <quidnunc> I can't find the setting in unityi
[21:17] <quidnunc> unity*
[21:17] <kyan> th0r: ls /proc/sys: crypto debug dev fs kernel net vm
[21:17] <kyan> th0r: Yes, seven
[21:17] <th0r> kyan: do ls -l and see if those folders are executable (x)
[21:18] <TrentH> I'm having a problem with window management? It seems whatever window is ontop say if I try to click on firefox, and terminal is opened ontop of it. It clicks on terminal instead?
[21:18] <TrentH> Also window decoration keeps crashing
[21:18] <kyan> th0r: they all have the permissions r-xr-xr-x
[21:19] <kyan> th0r: so yes they are
[21:19] <th0r> kyan: can you cd into kernel?
[21:19] <kyan> th0r: Yes, I
[21:21] <TrentH> If I enable OpenGL it fixs the window decoration...but then the windows start lagging when you drag them?
[21:21] <kyan> th0r: The three related files listed are perf_event_max_sample_rate, perf_event_mlock_kb, and perf_event_paranoid.
[21:21] <kyan> th0r: There isn't any perf_counter_paranoid though
[21:21] <kyan> th0r: that's all in /proc/sys/kernel
[21:22] <th0r> kyan: where did you see the three related files?
[21:22] <Na_Klar> can I run OS X programms on my ubuntu machine? I looked at pearpc but to install a whole OS X seems to much for me. Since OS X and ubuntu have kind of a similar architecture, isn't there a plain way to achieve that?
[21:23] <kyan> th0r: in /proc/sys/kernel.
[21:23] <th0r> kyan: right, can you
[21:23] <kyan> th0r: the thread http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23223 says the error from vboxdrv can be ignored.
[21:23] <th0r> kyan: oops....can you 'cat /proc/sys/kernel/perf_event_paranoid'
[21:23] <kyan> th0r: so I don't think that s the problem
[21:23] <TrentH> th0r, fix my issues mr ubuntu god
[21:24] <kyan> th0r: cat /proc/sys/kerne/perf_event_paranoid produces: 1
[21:24] <heli> hi have anybody had such problem than when you logout you see blank black screen and nothing happens?
[21:24] <quidnunc> How do I adjust power management?
[21:24] <th0r> kyan: according to the error posted you need a 2 there...that is what that command is supposed to do
[21:24] <heli> same problem with shutdown
[21:25] <edbian> kyan: th0r: so it exists now...
[21:25] <heli> I have blank screen and then power dont go off
[21:25] <osama> hi
[21:25] <kyan> th0r: well no the error was referring to perf_counter_paranoid, not perf_event_paranoid.
[21:25] <heli> anyone know this?
[21:25] <osama> yes i'm
[21:25] <osama> :)
[21:25] <th0r> kyan: oh....I must have pasted the wrong thing
[21:25] <osama> how can i help u
[21:25] <Daghdha> Hi, tried to set up bonding of 2 nics? Not sure if it worked. I think it's wrong. Here's my ifconfig outpu http://pastebin.com/kyFhJjZw
[21:26] <Daghdha> I think just 1 nic is in the bond
[21:26] <osama> okoky
[21:27] <kyan> th0r: cat /proc/sys/kernel/perf_counter_paranoid produces:
[21:27] <anli_> How do I use sed to only get the first column of an output?
[21:27] <kyan> th0r: cat: /proc/sys/kernel/perf_counter_paranoid: No such file or directory
[21:28] <quidnunc> How do I get to gnome-power-preferences through unity?
[21:28] <Milp_main> What was the name of that one super hardcore lightweight window manager for linux?
[21:29] <th0r> kyan: you are right...I can't create that with sudo here either.
[21:29] <TrentH> hello!
[21:29] <TrentH> Alright, can somebody help me pl0z?
[21:30] <quidnunc> !ask: TrentH
[21:30] <kyan> th0r: what the heck? Weird. I though sudo could write *anything*
[21:30] <edbian> kyan: it can...
[21:30] <quidnunc> !ask TrentH
[21:30] <quidnunc> !ask
[21:30] <edbian> th0r: What is happening?!!
[21:30] <TrentH> quidnunc, alright so if this chat window is ontop of the firefox window. I go to drag the firefox window...it drags this one instead
[21:30]  * edbian 's world comes crashing down.
[21:31] <kyan> edbian: *very* weird.
[21:31] <th0r> edbian: I am trying to get that file crreated here...the tee command didn't do it either
[21:31] <edbian> what file is it again?  I'll try on my system
[21:31] <quidnunc> TrentH: Difficult to understand exactly what the problem is based on your description. What is the chat application?
[21:32] <edbian> Found it, editing on my Debian system
[21:32] <edbian> Must be a bug in Ubuntu?
[21:32] <th0r> edbian: echo 2 > /proc/sys/kernel/perf_counter_paranoid
[21:32] <edbian> IDK
[21:32] <edbian> I was able to sudo nano it
[21:32] <alex--> I wonder, do I ever need the root password on my server?
[21:32] <TrentH> quidnunc, XCHAT-Gnome But what happens is..if the Terminal window overlays my Firefox window or any other window. And if I go to click on the firefox window what it will do is drag the Terminal window instead.
[21:32] <pfifo> alex--, yes
[21:32] <alex--> When?
[21:33] <pfifo> alex--, to login as root
[21:33] <alex--> why would i need that?
[21:33] <th0r> kyan: try sudo nano /proc/sys/kernel/perf_counter_paranoid
[21:33] <edbian> nano works
[21:33] <quidnunc> th0r: I have found that some files are protected (via apparmor?) in a way similar to windows and will silently discard edits
[21:33] <TrentH> quidnunc, if I have Window 1 and Window 2, Window 1 is sitting ontop of Window 2. I go to drag/minimize window 2. It clicks on Window 1 instead.
[21:33] <kyan> edbian: th0r: http://forum.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&p=160320
[21:33] <th0r> kyan: edbian: nano worked, but touch and cat didn't
[21:33] <pfifo> alex--, not something I can answer for you, its our server
[21:33] <pfifo> your*
[21:33] <edbian> th0r: wow
[21:33] <alex--> Can I use sudo?
[21:33] <edbian> i have to go
[21:33] <alex--> Instead of root?
[21:34] <quidnunc> TrentH: Terminal? I thought it was XChat + Firefox. Is there a terminal console as well?
[21:34] <kyan> th0r: Same error: no such file or directory.
[21:34] <anli_> is there a way to tell apt-get install --reinstall to not stop and start deamons that I am reinstalling?
[21:34] <pfifo> !sudo | alex--
[21:34] <TrentH> quidnunc, it does it with any window...doesn't matter what program window it is.
[21:34] <kyan> th0r: I ran sudo nano /proc/sys/kernel/perf_counter_paranoid
[21:34] <alex--> pfifo: afaik i dont need the root account, I can just use sudo
[21:34] <alex--> Is there any way to temporary disable the root user?
[21:35] <quidnunc> TrentH: Can you do a screencast? Try gtk-recordmydesktop
[21:35] <quidnunc> TrentH: I cannot reproduce
[21:35] <quidnunc> TrentH: istanbul is another application you can try
[21:35] <quidnunc> to do a screencast
[21:35]  * quidnunc has used neither one
[21:35] <TrentH> quidnunc, also my window decoration crashes?
[21:36] <pfifo> alex--, sudo is a command, root is a user, their not the same, you (YOU) may not need to enable root, but insome cases you may benefit from being able to login in as root, in which case you have to enable the root account
[21:36] <quidnunc> TrentH: I would try turning off compiz
[21:36] <TrentH> quidnunc, explain how I do this? :)
[21:37] <compaq> hello
[21:39] <dr-willis> jello
[21:40] <TrentH> quidnunc, whenever I disable OpenGL everything seems to work better?
[21:40] <Andy-at-home> where can i find the pptpd error log?
[21:40] <Andy-at-home> the /var/log/messages doesnt exist
[21:41] <qin> Andy-at-home: Maybe auth.log?
[21:42] <Andy-at-home> that in /var/log?
[21:42] <qin> Yes.
[21:42] <kyan> th0r: I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen but it didn't seem useful
[21:42] <compaq> hello
[21:42] <Andy-at-home> doesnt appear to exist either
[21:43] <qin> Andy-at-home: What logs fo you have? grep ppt /var/log/*
[21:44] <Andy-at-home> just dpkg.log
[21:44] <Andy-at-home> comes up with any ppt
[21:45] <Milp_main> there is a vnc server running at :0 how do i kill it?
[21:45] <qin> Andy-at-home: Do you run syslogd (htop)
[21:45] <MrUnagi> i am trying to set up postfix and i get -su: cd: Maildir/new: Not a directory
[21:46] <MrUnagi> anyone know why?
[21:46] <quidnunc> TrentH: Download one of those two apps, press record, upload the video somewhere, post the link so we can see it
[21:46] <Andy-at-home> htop is installed
[21:46] <pfifo> Milp_main, i use `ps aux` to view running processes and then `killall -9 <process>` or `kill -9 <pid>` to end it
[21:46] <the_owl> how i can switch from the startx at the text mod?
[21:47] <qin> Andy-at-home: So check if you run /sbin/syslogd
[21:47] <TrentH> quidnunc, I have to wait until this download is done
[21:47] <quidnunc> Milp_main: "pkill vnc" would work
[21:48] <quidnunc> TrentH: What download is that?
[21:48] <qin> the_owl: "text mod"
[21:48] <qin> ?
[21:48] <Milp_main> quidnunc yeah it did
[21:48] <pfifo> Milp_main, careful pkill vnc would kill more han just that one process
[21:48] <TrentH> quidnunc, VMWare..So I can do some windows things
[21:48] <Milp_main> thats fine, all vnc is to be eradicated :)
[21:48] <quidnunc> Milp_main: See pfifo proviso ^
[21:48] <the_owl> yest the modality only text
[21:48] <Milp_main> now i just need to find out how this chroot environment automatically starts that vnc server every time i start it
[21:49] <the_owl> as the terminal
[21:49] <quidnunc> TrentH: I have to go but that approach is what I would suggest to get someone to help you. Graphics glitches are difficult to explain
[21:49] <quidnunc> and diagnose
[21:49] <quidnunc> the_owl: ctrl-alt-f1?
[21:49] <TrentH> Alright thank you quidnunc
[21:49] <pfifo> !details | Milp_main
[21:50] <the_owl> ok thank you
[21:50] <Milp_main> well its a chroot environment in img file, and as soon as i "chroot into it" it starts some sort of script that starts the vnc server, where should i be looking for that script?
[21:51] <pfifo> Milp_main, you are tellingit to run a program when you chroot, `man 3 chroot` for details
[21:51] <Milp_main> oooh now i found it, thanks pfifo
[21:51] <Milp_main> its /root/init.sh
[21:51] <pfifo> Milp_main, sorry, man 8 chroot
[21:51] <Daghdha> what would happen if one would say.. define eth0 and eth1 with the mode manual and assign it an ip, and then add them to a bond. with the same ip?
[21:51] <Milp_main> now if that chroot jail starts firefox in under 5 minutes im happy :)
[21:52] <Havok> heya guys, i've come here because i need help, now normally i don't come here, i use the forums, but its pretty critical and i'm a tad scared, before i even ask, is this the channel for those who.... are more cautious, like i'd rather get this fixed then work out how it got fixed.... i really am scared not lazy....
[21:52] <Daghdha> WOuld it maybe.. prevent ubuntu from booting properlyt?
[21:52] <Andy-at-home> im trying to running a pptpd server on my vps but i have only 1 ip address, is it possible to use it with the same localip and remoteip?
[21:52] <BluesKaj> Havok, just ask your question
[21:52] <pfifo> Havok, ask your question, analyze the answer and then ask about cavets
[21:53] <hukim> Hi all
[21:54] <Havok> i've got a new laptop, a HP DV6 and i've got a few problems, in order of importance, no right mouse button, now there's PLENTY on the forums and i've found some sollutions, the problem is its a multitouch pad, and the areas to push to click are apart of it, so dragging makes it jerk around erratically, and right click is over-ruled by the contact of a finger
[21:54] <Havok> i've founda  great thread, but its 15 pages long (or 13) and is full of about 6 different sollutions, i tried the one that got alot of thumbs up, compiling a kernel with a new driver, but there were errors, so i moved on.
[21:55] <Havok> i can't find a difinitive sollution, and if i can't get this working - this is my fear, a narrow window in which to return it, if i can, and i'm worrying about having auseless new laptop, so i'm asking you, in a way to research it for me, but there are so many threads, each magic bullet failing somewhere, does anyone know of a sollution that actually works
[21:55] <pfifo> Havok, multitouch and all the other latest greates devices may not work 100% in linux, they make this awesome device called a USB mouse that should suppliment your touch pad greatly
[21:56] <cds-> lol
[21:56] <cds-> true that
[21:56] <Havok> pfifo, that's waht i was afraid one of you gus would say.
[21:56] <alex--> pfifo: you can't draw with it very good
[21:56] <Havok> why i was reluctant to come here in the first place
[21:57] <Havok> i don't want multitouch, sidescrolling all that crap, i just want a touchpad that works, like my old one.
[21:57] <dr-willis> Havok:  tried the next relesse yet? it may be fixed in it.
[21:58] <pfifo> Havok, sorry but its true, multitouch is a work in progress, these things take time, developers have to reverse engineer drivers since the manufacturer wont support linus directly
[21:58] <Havok> pfifo, again, i've read up on this, ubuntu supports a multitouch pad it just hasn't seen mine as being one, hence it takes the most recent finger-contact as the dominant one.
[21:58] <linux_noob> hi everyone
[21:59] <linux_noob> i really really need help with my ati card.....
[22:00] <kroq-gar78> !ask | linux_noob
[22:00] <Daghdha> WOuld it maybe.. prevent ubifconfiguntu from booting properlyt?
[22:01] <linux_noob> ok, i have an x800 ati card, i have no clue how to install xf86.conf to make the card work, i have found out flgrx does not support it anymore
[22:01] <pfifo> Havok, there might not be much you can do about it. but you can be a great help to others by filing bug reports and and explaining what does and dose not work. Eventually you <pice of hardware> will work, but it takes time
[22:01] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: have you tried to install the ATI drivers yet through "Additional Drivers" program?
[22:02] <linux_noob> yes, empty
[22:03] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: HAVE you installed the drivers or is that what you're asking? I don't exactly know what xff86.conf is so that's why I'm aksing.
[22:03] <Havok> My next question is about ATI too, my new laptop prides itself on having two switchable graphics cards (can use their own ram, or share an extra 3gb from the system) Ubuntu only see's the lesser one, an ATI 4500M, and has given it (or its taken) 3gb of ram, the ATI Catalyst control centre, does not show any signs of seeing the second one, it was installed via aditional drivers
[22:03] <Havok> any suggestions?
[22:04] <linux_noob> well, i have just downloaded xf86-video-ati from x.org, i don't know what to do with it, so i don't think it's installed
[22:04] <pfifo> Havok, can you disable the crappier card in bios
[22:05] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: what do you mean you downloaded it from x.org?  don't you have to install the drivers from ATI's website?
[22:05] <Havok> no pfifo it can be hotswapped - works in windows (i know, i hate it too)
[22:06] <linux_noob> i have downloaded the proprietary drivers and installed the catalyst and flgrx, but found out they are not supported anymore, they don't work at all and cause serious errors
[22:06] <linux_noob> they were from amd.com
[22:06] <pfifo> Havok, can you pastebin the output of `sudo lshw && sudo lspci && sudo lsusb`
[22:06] <Havok> pfifo, i did http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1388164&page=2 the first sollution on that page, but it got some "chunk fuzz" errors when i tried to compile
[22:06] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: which version of ubuntu do you have?
[22:06] <linux_noob> lucid lynx now
[22:07] <Havok> pfifo, its huge just piping it to a file, give me a sec
[22:07] <pfifo> Havok, those instruction are not completer that is a low quality post
[22:08] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: how did you download the unsupported drivers from amd? I reason that the supported ones are easy to get...
[22:08] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: in case you haven't, look at this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[22:09] <pfifo> Havok, yes its more than 3 lines :)
[22:09] <linux_noob> yup, been on that and did everything but it wouldn't work, i'll just go through it to remember where it crashed.
[22:11] <linux_noob> step 11. is where it stops
[22:11] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: what is the error?
[22:12] <ciss> hi
[22:12] <Havok> [really huge]
[22:12] <linux_noob> well i don't remember the error since it was almost a week ago, but it definitely did not work cause i tried a few times with those drivers, caused many bugs
[22:13] <pfifo> Havok, i want lspci, other helpers want lshw, paste `sudo lspci` and wait on the others then
[22:13] <ciss> i'm currently fighting with bug #607560 (frequent jbd2 write access) on natty desktop. is there a solution that might have not found its way into the bug comments?
[22:14] <Havok> pfifo,
[22:14] <Havok> http://pastebin.com/CdTKWE5U
[22:14] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: what's the error?
[22:15] <cyperbg> can anyone write the exact command for copying 2 files from 1 folder and overwriting 2 same files in a different folder please
[22:15] <MrUnagi> is there a benefit to milder over mbox?
[22:15] <pfifo> Havok, ok explain the problem once agin with a bit more detail
[22:15] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: can you try again?
[22:15] <Andy-at-home> why would /var/log/messages not exist?
[22:15] <Amoz> cyperbg, cp dir1/file dir2/file, and then the same thing with the other file
[22:16] <cyperbg> Amoz is it possible for the whole command to copy both files?
[22:16] <Amoz> cyperbg, you can separate the commands with && or ;
[22:16] <ciss> cyperbg: do the target files have the same name?
[22:16] <cyperbg> ciss yes
[22:16] <cyperbg> I want to overwrite
[22:16] <linux_noob> you mean what it caused to happen? cause i don't remember the error in terminal but it was something like could not locate even though it was there. i wouldn't want to try it again because it sometimes stopped ubuntu booting, or it would auto boot in safe graphics and if it did ever boot normally then everything gets so slow and stops responding
[22:16] <Havok> pfifo, my laptop comes with 2 graphics cards, one is an ATI Radeon 4500M (mobile) and the other a 5750, these are switchable, this 'apparantly' means, they can be swapped at runtime (tested in windows) and they can go from 512mb dedicated memory to taking 3 gb of system memory (tested in windows to work) Ubuntu only sees the lesser card the 4500m and has given it 3gb of my ram... or its taken, one of the two
[22:17] <ciss> cp file1 file2 targetdir/
[22:17] <cyperbg> do I include -i
[22:17] <Havok> pfifo, my problem is, i'd like to be able to switch ebtween them and control weather they have ram or not
[22:17] <cyperbg> -i, --interactive
[22:17] <cyperbg>               prompt before overwrite
[22:17] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowTo
[22:18] <ciss> cyperbg: you want it to ask?
[22:18] <cyperbg> ciss no
[22:18] <kroq-gar78> then don't
[22:18] <ciss> then dont use -i
[22:18] <cyperbg> so it will overwrite automatically?
[22:18] <Amoz> no questions asked, yes
[22:18] <kroq-gar78> yes
[22:18] <cyperbg> great 10x
[22:18] <ciss> cyperbg: yes. try: cp --help
[22:18] <cyperbg> let's try
[22:18] <Daghdha> Hi, i am trying to bond two nicks. One of them keeps grabbing a static ip though. Not sure where that's coming from as it'snot in the interfaces
[22:18] <pfifo> Havok, you have 2 graphics cards, their output is the only thing that can be switched. #1 do you have a custome xorg.conf and if so #2 what PCI device are you telling it ot use?
[22:18] <Daghdha> it's set to manual
[22:18] <linux_noob> a link to a wiki how to page?
[22:19] <daniel__> hey what software do i use to burn a game that is in iso form to a disc ?
[22:19] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob:yes
[22:19] <kroq-gar78> daniel__: brasero
[22:19] <Havok> pfifo, no, i come from nvidia (desktop) this is a totally different config as far as i am concerned, and its not true, according to the manual, one is actually disaabled and the other one enabled.
[22:20] <daniel__> kroq-gar78, would i use the burn image option
[22:20] <linux_noob> um, i confused, that page just explains what a how to page is...    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howto
[22:20] <pfifo> Havok, well according to linux, you have 2 devices, one on PCI 01:05.0 and one on PCI 2:00.0, this is reading as 2 different devices
[22:20] <kroq-gar78> daniel__: yes
[22:21] <Havok> pfifo, i trust that then :) so regardless, what's the sollution? get new drivers from the AMD website?
[22:21] <kroq-gar78> linnux_noob: what???? that's weird...
[22:21] <i_is_broke>  0
[22:21] <pfifo> Havok, the solution is to tell X to use the one you want
[22:21] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: I'm not sure why that link is there in the Ubuntu help wiki...
[22:21] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: sorry
[22:21] <linux_noob> lol its ok
[22:21] <Havok> pfifo, is there a graphical program? like the Nvidia control panel? or is it research and learn?
[22:22] <pfifo> Havok, your basicly dealing with a dual monitor setup but with only one monitor
[22:22] <Amoz> pfifo, lol wut?
[22:22] <Havok> doesn't that defeat the purpose HP tried to do?
[22:23] <Havok> @ pfifo
[22:23] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: ah this is what I meant... http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
[22:23] <pfifo> Havok, no all you need is a cusomized xorg.conf, its really not hard, google search for ati based xorg.conf's and you shout get an example, then just fine tune it
[22:23] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: then check if it supports...
[22:23] <Havok> thanks i'll come whine to you if i get stuck :)
[22:23] <linux_noob> yup, thats the driver that totally wrecked natty, maverick and almost lucid aswell
[22:24] <pfifo> Havok, i think HP is simply trying to put 2 cards into one output and allow the system to change between the two for power cunsumption aspects
[22:24] <linux_noob> im looking for that link that explains why its not supported...
[22:24] <cyperbg> ciss, so I enter the folder where the files I want to copy are and do that: cp cards.lib common.lib ~/Autominer/
[22:24] <cyperbg> does it look alright?
[22:24] <Havok> pfifo, so they are not both powered both rendering a desktop?
[22:24] <Amoz> cyperbg, yes
[22:24] <cyperbg> 10x :)
[22:25] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: yeah linux just doesn't have the market share that windoz has, so ATI doesn't really care as much... so is ur card supported?
[22:25] <kroq-gar78> by flgrx
[22:25] <pfifo> Havok, its probably way over your head but if you really want you can read the whitepaper on how PCIe works
[22:25] <linux_noob> the card used to be supported, but it just doesn't work
[22:25] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: what's ur card again?
[22:25] <gikosker> hey is anyone expert in ubuntu here?
[22:26] <gikosker> i have an issue
[22:26] <GOMI> why does it give this warning in .xsession    ".config/autostart/xfce4-settings-helper-autostart.desktop"
[22:26] <edbian> !ask
[22:26] <kroq-gar78> !ask | gikosker
[22:26] <pfifo> Havok, but basically its only going to use power if its doing stuff
[22:26] <kroq-gar78> edbian: dang it u beat me :P
[22:26] <GOMI> problem is i deleted xfce ?!? so why does it still say that
[22:26] <edbian> kroq-gar78: :)
[22:26] <dli> linux_noob, which generation of card? ati seems to be fine for me
[22:27] <Python> I'm making a new linux distro and I need a designer for making logos, wallpapers etc...
[22:27] <Python>  any takers?
[22:27] <linux_noob> from the amd site, its the desktop version, x series, x8xx series linux x86
[22:27] <kroq-gar78> edbian: >:(
[22:27] <kroq-gar78> lol
[22:27] <linux_noob> the card is the x800
[22:27] <jrib> Python: you know what's gonna happen next right?
[22:27] <edbian> ha
[22:27] <kroq-gar78> !offtopic | Python
[22:27] <edbian> oh thank god
[22:27] <edbian> another distro
[22:27] <jrib> Python: you keep talking about things you know are not on-topic here.  Please stop
[22:27] <kroq-gar78> jrib: yup ;)
[22:27] <dli> linux_noob, weird, x800 should be stable enough
[22:27] <kroq-gar78> jrib: oh never mind
[22:28] <kroq-gar78> I was thinking something else
[22:28] <gikosker> when i open a window in Natty 11.04 in minimize the buttons on the right don;t glow but on maximize they do what is the problem?
[22:28] <exutux> GOMI: maybe you still have that command in autostart
[22:28] <dli> linux_noob, just want to confirm, you are running the open source driver, right?
[22:28] <exutux> GOMI: move it from ~/.config/autostart
[22:28] <linux_noob> thats the thing, i think i am but how do i check if i am running the open source driver?
[22:28] <Barnabas> linux_noob, install glxinfo
[22:28] <Barnabas> then
[22:28] <GOMI> exutux,  okey ill try that
[22:28] <Barnabas> glxinfo | grep vendor
[22:29] <linux_noob> sudo aptget glxinfo?
[22:29] <blink> how can I use regex in the terminal?
[22:29] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: sudo apt-get install glxinfo
[22:29] <dli> linux_noob, you may check your xorg.conf (if exists), or /var/log/Xorg.?.log
[22:29] <pfifo> Havok, but yeah, install ATI drivers and tell X to use those drivers on the correct pci device and it SHOULD just work, it dosent appear any different from a dual head setup with only one monitor
[22:29] <Barnabas> linux_noob, try typing glxinfo in a terminal
[22:30] <Barnabas> it should state the package to install
[22:30] <MrUnagi> !postfix
[22:30] <linux_noob> installing atm
[22:30] <linux_noob> Reading package lists... Done
[22:30] <linux_noob> Building dependency tree
[22:30] <linux_noob> Reading state information... Done
[22:30] <prower> hello :> i have a roland um-1 usb-to-midi cable, it works fine in windows but in ubuntu it's not appearing in jack at all? lsusb just lists ID 0582:012a Roland Corp.
[22:30] <linux_noob> E: Couldn't find package glxinfo
[22:30] <pfifo> Havok, an I mean there isnt a KVM withc or any weird hardware controlling output, it seems to be a simple as if the good one has output the crap one dosent
[22:30] <Barnabas> linux_noob, no the pkg is not called glxinfo
[22:31] <linux_noob> The program 'glxinfo' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[22:31] <linux_noob> sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
[22:31] <linux_noob> ahh
[22:31] <kroq-gar78> oops sorry
[22:31] <kyan> How can I see what is happening during the display of the plymouth splash screen during ubuntu boot? The splash screen is displaying interminably with no change other than the orange and white dots alternating. I am using ubuntu 10.10.
[22:31] <pfifo> !enter | linux_noob
[22:31] <kroq-gar78> pfifo: didn't know that one existed :P
[22:31] <linux_noob> oops, sorry
[22:31] <Barnabas> linux_noob, that util is very very handy when fault finding your gpu driver
[22:31] <MK``> How do I change the language encoding in gedit? When I enter foreign characters it comes out wrong when I view it in a browser.
[22:31]  * pfifo gives kroq-gar78 an oatmeal cream pie
[22:32] <kroq-gar78> uhhh....
[22:32] <Havok> pfifo, its a .run file
[22:32] <Havok> what should i do?
[22:32] <kroq-gar78> what's that mean? sorry if I did something wrong...
[22:32] <Amoz> Havok, ./file.run
[22:32] <pfifo> Havok, no thats not right
[22:32] <linux_noob> kool, installed now, i typed glxinfo but i don't wanna paste that in here!
[22:33] <MrUnagi> i don't understand, after issuing MAIL=/home/fmaster/Maildir i can no longer receive mail
[22:33] <Barnabas> linux_noob, try to do a glxinfo | grep vendor
[22:33] <Barnabas> perhaps a glxinfo | grep direct
[22:33] <pfifo> Havok, im sorry but i onyl run nvidia, i cant tell you how to get ATI working, but i can tell you that you need to get AIT drivers installed, and then write an xorg.conf file to tell X to use X drivers with Y device
[22:33] <Barnabas> linux_noob, but use pastebin or paste.ubuntu.com
[22:34] <linux_noob> server glx vendor string: SGI, client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI, OpenGL vendor string: DRI R300 Project
[22:34] <kroq-gar78> !pastebin | linux_noob
[22:34] <edbian> Havok: what card do you have?
[22:34] <chrisyboy> hi,i was here earlier, what i need to know is can i delete a partition with the swap partition on it?
[22:34] <Havok> edbian, a 4500M and a 5750
[22:34] <pfifo> edbian, he has a weird dualie device http://pastebin.com/CdTKWE5U
[22:35] <edbian> chrisyboy: the swap partition is a partition.  You can delete it.  You cannot have a partition with a partition on it unless you are talking about extended partitions
[22:35] <edbian> Havok: ...and ?
[22:35] <edbian> dualie?
[22:35] <MrUnagi> i don't understand, after issuing MAIL=/home/fmaster/Maildir i can no longer receive mail nor cd into /hom/fmaster/Maildir/new
[22:36] <chrisyboy> edbian, yes its extended, i want to delete it then grow sda1 and put a new swap in?
[22:36] <linux_noob> http://paste.ubuntu.com/650876/
[22:36] <claviusmond> am i the only one that thinks konqueror sucks?
[22:36] <edbian> chrisyboy: sure, go for it
[22:36] <kroq-gar78> !offtopic | claviusmond
[22:37] <Barnabas> linux_noob, looks like the oss drivers to me
[22:37] <edbian> chrisyboy: delete the swap, (and everything in the extended) then you can remove the extended partitions
[22:37] <Havok> is there any way to find out if the kernel is 64 bit? or 32 bit?
[22:37] <MrUnagi> is there a mail support channel? lol
[22:37] <Barnabas> allthough I have not had a Radeon gpu in a while - can anyone verify?
[22:37] <Amoz> Havok, uname -a
[22:37] <chrisyboy> edbian, thank you
[22:37] <edbian> chrisyboy: sure
[22:38] <Havok> will ubuntu update t be 64 bit or should i have installed that out of the box?
[22:38] <edbian> Havok: You cannot switch from 32 bit to 64 bit.  YOu have to re-install
[22:38] <Havok> k thanks
[22:38] <edbian> Barnabas: verify what?  I have an ATI radeon 9550
[22:39] <Barnabas> edbian, the output of glxinfo with the oss driver on a Radeon gpu
[22:39] <Barnabas> edbian, I am on a NVIDIA GPU
[22:40] <edbian> Barnabas: http://paste.ubuntu.com/650881/
[22:40] <linux_noob> so would i be able to configure it? i can try the flgrx again if someone would be able to assist me on the way...
[22:41] <Barnabas> edbian, thanks - that confirms it linux_noob, you are using the oss driver
[22:41] <edbian> Barnabas: 'radeon' is the name of the oss driver.  You can also use sudo lspci -k or lsmod | grep rad
[22:42] <Barnabas> edbian, yes but it will not tell you if it is just loaded or being used
[22:42] <ciss> i've tried to add a commit=60 option to my fstab, but it gets overridden by an appended commit=0. this is the fstab content and mount output: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/445095/
[22:42] <linux_noob> damn, that means the driver just isn't that good then...
[22:42] <edbian> Barnabas: If it's in use lspci -k lists it as a driver in use, not a module available.  lsmod does not list drivers that are not in use
[22:43] <bollullera> ¿por?
[22:43] <ciss> it's an lvm logical volume. does lvm add that option?
[22:43] <daniel__> how do i make a file executable if it says its read only
[22:43] <linux_noob> has anyone got experience with flgrx?
[22:43] <Barnabas> edbian, well for example to test if you have direct rendering enabled
[22:43] <edbian> daniel__: depends who owns it :)
[22:43] <Barnabas> glxinfo | grep direct
[22:43] <edbian> linux_noob: I do
[22:43] <bryce910> is there any network traffic sniffer like tcpdump that doesn't require root to run?
[22:43] <Barnabas> stuff like that
[22:43] <edbian> Barnabas: That is more detail :)
[22:43] <dli> linux_noob, I think fglrx doesn't support old cards any more
[22:43] <Barnabas> exactly
[22:43] <AlanKey> hi wold anyone be able to tell me the commands to upgrade to 11.04??
[22:43] <chrisyboy2> edbian, also what is the swap partition for? do i have to make it extended or can it be primary? when you have the time to answer thanks
[22:44] <edbian> bryce910: No, they are all going to need root to run
[22:44] <linux_noob> is x800 old enough?
[22:44] <kroq-gar78> AlanKey: gui or command line only?
[22:44] <dli> AlanKey, do-release-upgrade
[22:44] <Barnabas> edbian, but necessary info with the new desktop
[22:44] <daniel__> edbian, ok so i have the iso file to morrowind i burned the game to a disc using brasero and now i would like to play it with wine
[22:44] <bryce910> edbian: Is there a way to get past that?
[22:44] <lion42> Hi, sos I need help. I switched my hd from my old laptop (a thinkpad SL420) to my new laptop (a thinkpad t20i) and now my screen resolution is permanently stuck at 1024x768 and my fn keys don't work. I can't find a fix on google. Anyone got anything?
[22:44] <MrUnagi> !mail
[22:44] <edbian> chrisyboy2: It is used to store things when there is no more ram left and to suspend to disk (hibernation).  It can be primary or logical
[22:44] <dli> linux_noob, yes, x800 is the r300 family (radeon r5xx)
[22:44] <edbian> Barnabas: :)
[22:44] <lion42> Er, a t420i
[22:44] <dli> linux_noob, fglrx dropped support for r5xx and older years ago
[22:45] <edbian> daniel__: It should be executable even though it is read only.
[22:45] <chrisyboy2> edbian, i just create it then im done it works on its own or do i have to edit somthing?
[22:45] <edbian> daniel__: It will be read only because it is on a CD
[22:45] <edbian> bryce910: Not that I am aware of
[22:45] <linux_noob> :(  well then i may just get a new nvidia, i hear they have good support?
[22:45] <MrUnagi> can anyone help me set up postfix on ubuntu, i am having some issues
[22:45] <dli> linux_noob, I don't know, I don't touch nvidia at all
[22:46] <coz_> linux_noob,  in terminal     lspci | grep -i vga
[22:46] <edbian> chrisyboy2: Swap is unique in that the system finds it at boot time all on its own.
[22:46] <ciss> nevermind, found the reason: /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/journal-commit appends the option
[22:46] <linux_noob> well are the radeonhd series compatible enough?
[22:46] <edbian> linux_noob: why not try fglrx?
[22:46] <chrisyboy2> edbian, nice one thank you
[22:46] <linux_noob> fglrx no longer supported...
[22:46] <edbian> chrisyboy2: sure :)
[22:46] <coz_> linux_noob,   well   Compiz requires at least a Radeon 7000 (or M6). For 7000 to HDxxxx series cards, you can use the open source "radeon" driver. HD* cards are also supported by the proprietary "fglrx" driver.
[22:46] <edbian> linux_noob: have you tried it?
[22:46] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: somehwere I heard they were better supported than ATI, but not too sure... I haven't really had any probs with my comps yet
[22:46] <Barnabas> linux_noob, buing a new gpu sounds to me as the last resort
[22:46] <Barnabas> nvidia have good support
[22:46] <dli> linux_noob, you may try your luck with radeonhd
[22:47] <edbian> linux_noob: yes, try radeonhd
[22:47] <kroq-gar78> linux_noob: I personally like NVidia better though. never had a problem with them
[22:47] <Barnabas> even the new optimus setups work with the bumblebee extensions
[22:47] <dli> linux_noob, or older version of radeon
[22:47] <linux_noob> @edbian  ye tried many times.
[22:47] <edbian> linux_noob: sorry to hear that! :(
[22:47] <coz_> linux_noob,  go to the #radeon channel also
[22:48] <Barnabas> linux_noob, could you msg me directly?
[22:48] <linux_noob> 0.0 radeon channel?
[22:48] <linux_noob> ye
[22:48] <AlanKey> kroq terminal only
[22:48] <subsume> How do I know where a package installs something? I cant' find libmemcached
[22:48] <dli> linux_noob, yes, the #radeon people was quite helping, if you report info requested, they can fix it in days
[22:48] <linux_noob> this is my first time on irc, how do i get in radeon channel
[22:49] <edbian> linux_noob:  /join #radeon
[22:49] <Andy-at-home> anyone got time to help an idiot? ive finally managed to retrieve an error message when my android phone connects to my pptpd daemon (on my vps) but I'm not sure about this error, im assuming it has to do with the ip addresses ive tried to use. http://pastebin.com/BKf8q3sF
[22:49] <linux_noob> thank you very much guys, i reall am pleased to change over to linux!
[22:49] <Python> :-)
[22:50] <lion42> So I'm still having an issue. I switched my hd from my old laptop (a thinkpad SL420) to my new laptop (a thinkpad t420i) and now my screen resolution is permanently stuck at 1024x768 and my fn keys don't work. I can't find a fix on google. Anyone got anything? This is the first time after a long time on ubuntu that I've had a problem google couldn't fix.
[22:51] <dli> lion42, first, can you reset display mode, in Preferences menu or in command line: xrandr
[22:51] <lion42> "Screen 0: minimum 1024 x 768, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
[22:51] <lion42> "
[22:51] <lion42> but I know that's not right, as it works on windows above that
[22:52] <kroq-gar78> lion42: have you installed drivers if needed yet?
[22:52] <Andy-at-home> noone else understands this error? http://pastebin.com/BKf8q3sF
[22:52] <lion42> kroq-gar78, the driver-searching tool isn't showing me that I need any drivers. All my past laptops have worked out of the box except for a couple wireless cards, so I'm a total fish out of water here, lol
[22:52] <lion42> oh, they're gone.
[22:53] <edbian> Andy-at-home: what error are you asking about?  The first one? 'not enough ip addresses given?'
[22:54] <AirandSea> linux_noob: Anonymous is always watching - Have a good time.
[22:54] <AirandSea> edbian: Change nick
[22:54] <Andy-at-home> im assuming the 1 was enough for just my client
[22:54] <linux_noob> im a little worried 0.o
[22:54] <edbian> Andy-at-home: Yeah I have no idea :(
[22:55] <AirandSea> edbian now.
[22:55] <Andy-at-home> GRE: read(fd=6,buffer=805a540,len=8196) from PTY failed: status = -1 error = Input/output error, usually caused by unexpected termination of pppd
[22:55] <edbian> AirandSea: now what?
[22:55] <edbian> Andy-at-home: no clue
[22:55] <AirandSea> edbian: Change nick now.
[22:55] <rww> AirandSea: stop that, please :(
[22:56] <dli> lion42, check your xorg.conf, maybe, 1024x768 is hard set
[22:56] <pfifo> AirandSea, stop while your ahead ;)
[22:56] <lion42> dli, okay, this is apparently me-being-stupid-hour. How do I do that?
[22:56] <AirandSea> My people can get angry :)
[22:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> AirandSea, stop before one of the channel gods show up and hurt you
[22:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[22:56] <dli> lion42, have a look in /etc/X11
[22:56] <ritzz> is there any appl to create a cloud network with contacts that will aloud to connect to different peers?
[22:56] <edbian> hahah
[22:57] <AirandSea> Then they pull the electrical current ;)
[22:57] <naptastic> fglrx won't install; it says "Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed." But the source and headers *are* installed. What's missing?
[22:57] <AirandSea> So be nice
[22:58] <kyan> Hmmm. My boot process is freezing on "Checking battery state… [OK] Edit /etc/default/fetchmail to start/stop fetchmail". What could cause this?
[22:58] <edbian> kyan: Your system is all sorts of messed up! :(
[22:59] <edbian> kyan: I think there is an error in /etc/default/fetchmail
[22:59] <lion42> dli, not finding the file in the folder. -_-
[22:59] <kyan> edbian: No kidding. I'm getting really frustrated because I have been stuck using this mac I have no idea how to use for *three weeks* now since my machine got confused.
[22:59] <dli> lion42, anything in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[22:59]  * naptastic reboots into a stock kernel
[23:00] <f4rr3ll> fala noiado
[23:00] <lion42> dli, no
[23:00] <edbian> kyan: Can you boot the recovery mode and edit that file?
[23:00] <kyan> edbian: well I guess I should look on the bright side — at least it's not MS Windows, which I have no idea at all how to use.
[23:00] <dli> lion42, what's your video card?
[23:00] <edbian> kyan: You don't know how to use any OS! :P
[23:01] <kyan> edbian: I can, and already tried. It still displayed the error. So I think I'll remove fetchmail.
[23:01] <rizzuh_laptop> Several minutes after login I am asked for my password to unlock the "default" keyring. Why? What does that keyring store and why can't I set it up be unlocked automatically after login?
[23:01] <edbian> kyan: and does it say in that file?
[23:02] <kyan> edbian: Hey, no disses! I do know how to use ubuntu — or wait a minute, if I did I would n't be asking here :-D
[23:02] <coz_> rizzuh_laptop,  to you have the system to log in automatically?
[23:02] <edbian> kyan: :)
[23:02] <Ex-Opesa> lm-sensors show fan2/fan3/fan4, I have only 1. How can I modify sensor's output and remove fan2/3/4?
[23:02] <coz_> rizzuh_laptop,   http://askubuntu.com/questions/867/how-can-i-stop-being-prompted-to-unlock-the-default-keyring-on-boot
[23:03] <lion42> dli, intel hd 3000 integrated
[23:03] <kyan> edbian: Every line is commented out except START_DAEMON=no
[23:03] <AirandSea> A waterglass tide.
[23:03] <bazhang> AirandSea, what?
[23:04] <edbian> kyan: yeah just remove that package.  I don't know the correct syntax (stop, start, false, true, no, yes)
[23:04] <rww> AirandSea: #ubuntu is for Ubuntu technical support. Please take other chatter to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[23:04] <bazhang> AirandSea, nonsense to #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:06] <derp> how can i merge 2 folders in Ubuntu?
[23:06] <edbian> derp: drag the contents of one into the other
[23:07] <Python> ctrl+a ctrl+x and ctrl+v at destination
[23:08] <Alexandra13> Hey there guys, is there anybody that can help me with Ubuntu?
[23:08] <edbian> Alexandra13: that's what we do!
[23:08] <edbian> !ask
[23:08] <bazhang> Alexandra13, ask a question first
[23:08] <pappa_bear> Alexandra13, just ask the question
[23:08] <blackhawk> anyone here has experience with Internet connection / wired networking issues?
[23:08] <Alexandra13> Lol sorry
[23:08] <edbian> beat ya'll to it
[23:08] <edbian> Alexandra13: no worries
[23:08]  * pappa_bear lolz
[23:09] <lion42> ... oh, irc.
[23:09] <bazhang> blackhawk, more details please
[23:09] <tru3fate> can anyone help please. how do i get netfliz to work on Ubuntu 11
[23:09] <lion42> dli, got anything?
[23:09] <edbian> tru3fate: You can't :(
[23:09] <bazhang> tru3fate, netfliz?
[23:09] <kyan> edbian: Dang. Now it's stuck on "Checking battery state… [OK]"
[23:09] <edbian> bazhang: netflix I presume
[23:09] <bazhang> edbian, thanks
[23:09] <edbian> kyan: Yeah, turn off quite and splash to get more errors
[23:09] <tru3fate> netflix
[23:09] <edbian> bazhang: hahah sure
[23:09] <bazhang> tru3fate, you cannot
[23:10] <lion42> tru3fate, you can run windows on a vm and watch netflix at 1 frame per minute
[23:10] <lion42> if you so desire.
[23:10] <lion42> :P
[23:10] <edbian> lion42: haha
[23:10] <Alexandra13> Well basically, I have 3 OS's. I'm on Windows 7 now, I am using VBox to run DamnSmallLinux and Ubuntu. The first two have full internet access. Ubuntu doesn't. I'm using an ssh tunnel to get internet to firefox. It works fine. The problem is that I want to use KVIrc and it won't connect to any servers.  I don't know how to sort this out.
[23:10] <kyan> edbian: Already did! I think whatever's getting stuck in its gizzard is what comes on *after* the battery check and the fetchmail daemon, and it just doesn't list it until it's done.
[23:10] <edbian> kyan: That's what I think too.
[23:11] <el_seano> Hey guys, I'm having some issues getting rhythmbox to run on this laptop.  Trying to run from a terminal with debugging turned on spews out this: http://pastie.org/2261231
[23:11] <edbian> kyan: quite and splash are removed? Usually it doesn't show the items like it is if quite is removed.  It shows lower level stuff
[23:11] <derpyshitty> How can i merge 2 folders in Ubuntu?
[23:11] <lion42> tru3fate, hulu+ works fine, and has an app that works with linux if I recall correctly. or you can dual boot into windows if you really need netflix.
[23:11] <edbian> derpyshitty: Didn't I just tell you?
[23:11] <qin> Is here someone from NY, please PM me.
[23:11] <edbian> kyan: Are you using fgrlx ?
[23:11] <el_seano> so far, I've tried apt-get purge rhythmbox, and reinstalling, deleting everything rhythmbox related that lives in my homedir, and specificying blank db and playlist files with commandline options.
[23:11] <rww> qin: try #ubuntu-us-ny
[23:11] <pappa_bear> @lion42 : i do that too (hulu+)
[23:12] <bazhang> !loco > qin
[23:12] <qin> rww: Thanks
[23:12] <el_seano> all results in the same output.
[23:12] <alex--> Alexandra13: set the network connection on your virtualbox to 'network birdged adapter'
[23:12] <tru3fate> rgr thanx
[23:12] <edbian> kyan: When it gets stuck can you ctrl + alt + F1  ?
[23:12] <alex--> derpyshitty: i'm not sure about which version you are using, but in 10.04 you will be asked what to do (merge, copy, skip)
[23:12] <kyan> edbian: If those are the things that go immediately before nomodeset, yes. I thought it was quiet, not quite, though, but that's probably just my brain being weird..
[23:12] <edbian> kyan: Oh, typo, it's quiet you're right.
[23:12] <lion42> alex--, its a troll that keeps getting banned. not a real question.
[23:12] <blackhawk> i have a gigabyte motherboard with built in ethernet which i am connected to,the internet connection is really unstable and cuts of every now and then and comes back after a min or few sec,when i do a ping test it gives normal values for sometime then cuts of and suddenly the lagged numbers come out like 6000ms or so and sometimes it says unable to reach the server (google),when browsing or online gaming it's really unstable,even here on irc it lags like a
[23:12] <blackhawk> min and a whole bunch of msgs come out
[23:12] <alex--> lion42: who, derpyshitty or alexandra?
[23:13] <edbian> blackhawk: sounds like the cable is bad
[23:13] <Alexandra13> Well I assure you i'm not a troll
[23:13] <lion42> alex--, derp
[23:13] <alex--> what means derp?
[23:13] <edbian> hahahahah
[23:13] <edbian> indeed
[23:13] <kyan> edbian: I don't know about fgrlx — google says it's an ati driver and I have an ati card so probably, but thta wouldn't be the problem probably because I have had graphics working fine before.
[23:13] <lion42> ...lol
[23:13] <edbian> kyan: can you ctrl + alt + F1  when it's stuck?
[23:13] <kyan> edbian: ctl+alt+f1 worked.
[23:13] <Alexandra13> Alex, can I PM you?
[23:14] <edbian> kyan: log in
[23:14] <edbian> run dmesg
[23:14] <alex--> ye, shure
[23:14] <alex--> sure *
[23:14] <edbian> kyan: look at the end for errors
[23:15] <kyan> edbian: Only possible error on last line: [42.767364] EXT4-fs (sda1): remounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro,commit=0
[23:15] <edbian> kyan: Well that's bad.  It had to remount / as read only.
[23:15] <edbian> kyan: What other errors are in the output of dmesg?
[23:16] <edbian> kyan: You can do shift + page up
[23:16] <kyan> edbian: Everything else has to do with vboxdrv.
[23:16] <edbian> kyan: some samples?
[23:18] <kyan> edbian: Well there's that trying to deactivate nmi watchdog thing, and then it sais: Fount 2 prociessor cores. fAsync=0 offMin=0x4e8 offMax=0x15a8 TSC mode is 'synchronous', kernal timer mode is 'normal' Successfully loaded version 3.2.8_OSE (interface 0x00140001)., then the EXT4-fs mount error.
[23:18] <edbian> kyan: that is not an error
[23:18] <kyan> edbian: I bet the read-only problem is why nano was complaining about no such file or directory earlier.
[23:18] <lion42> SO my problem is still up and roaring, and it appears the person who was helping me has wandered off the IRCs. My screen resolution is stuck at 1024x768. I just switched this hd (which already had ubuntu on it, and was working fine) from my thinkpad sl420 to my new thinkpad t420i
[23:18] <kyan> edbian: No I think it's just telling me what my configuration is.
[23:19] <edbian> kyan: nano was weird earlier.  I don't know if this is related.  The read-only problem i likely the product of something else bad happening
[23:19] <kyan> edbian: Dang! What could it be?
[23:19] <lion42> It wont give me any other resolution options, xrandr tells me: "Screen 0: minimum 1024 x 768, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768"
[23:19] <edbian> kyan: I need more errors to figure it out!
[23:19] <edbian> kyan: Give me all of the errors one at a timne
[23:19] <kyan> edbian: Oh no! Ok so I will go through that file from the beginning for errors.
[23:19] <alex--> kyan: i recommend you to put them on pastebin
[23:20] <edbian> kyan: pastebin will make it faster
[23:20] <el_seano> Hey guys, I'm having some issues getting rhythmbox to run on this laptop.  Trying to run from a terminal with debugging turned on spews out this: http://pastie.org/2261231
[23:20] <el_seano> so far, I've tried apt-get purge rhythmbox, and reinstalling, deleting everything rhythmbox related that lives in my homedir, and specificying blank db and playlist files with commandline options.
[23:20] <kyan> edbian: Ok.
[23:20] <edbian> kyan: sure
[23:20] <el_seano> all results in the same output.
[23:21] <edbian> el_seano: see segmentation fault?  That means the program tried to access ram locations it is not allowed to access.
[23:22] <adubz> what is the command to run to launch network manager
[23:22] <Khisanth> that could be from the plugins
[23:22] <adubz> i do update-menus and i dont see network-manager
[23:22] <Andy-at-home> ok, im receiving GRE errors when I try to connect to my pptpd daemon so im assuming there is a something along the route that is blocking the GRE packets, theres a good chance that its my mobile network provider (tmobile) but i would like to make sure its not my vps. how can i check if GRE packets are blocked?
[23:22] <mattalexx> I am setting up a home network. Each computer will have a subdomain of ma0.me. I'm setting up an Ubuntu machine called bird.ma0.me. Should the "Your computer's name" field have "bird" or "bird.ma0.me"? king on #httpd
[23:22] <mattalexx> * Topic for #httpd is: Apache HTTP Server help || Register with Nickserv to speak in this channel || Step one: Look in the error log || httpd versions 2.3.12 (beta), 2.2.19 (stable) || Docs at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/ || Paste http://pastebin.com/ || ##php for all your PHP needs || You are not entitled to free support, we are volunteers.
[23:22] <mattalexx> * Topic for #httpd set by barefoot!~barefoot@unaffiliated/barefoot at Mon May 23 06:19:45 2011
 So when I am building a web server, I should set the clock to GMT?
[23:22] <FloodBot1> mattalexx: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:23] <edbian> ?
[23:23] <rww> o.O
[23:23] <mattalexx> Whoa, so sorry. My clipboard had different stuff than I thought
[23:23] <edbian> mattalexx: ha
[23:23] <mattalexx> My real question is:
[23:23] <mattalexx> I am setting up a home network. Each computer will have a subdomain of ma0.me. I'm setting up an Ubuntu machine called bird.ma0.me. Should the "Your computer's name" field have "bird" or "bird.ma0.me"? http://i.imgur.com/UF36P.png
[23:23] <Nikyo> Hi :-)
[23:23] <Khisanth> adubz: here it's called 'NetworkManager' :)
[23:24] <edbian> mattalexx: nice arrow :)
[23:24] <mattalexx> Thanks
[23:24] <com64> I'm trying to compile something, but ./configure fails: http://pastebin.com/axkNYecN . My config.log: http://pastebin.com/aQ8DH0hX . I've spent three days trying to get this to work...
[23:24] <rww> com64: install the package "build-essential"
[23:24] <com64> did.
[23:24] <littlebearz> mattalexx: it doesn'r really matter as long as your hostname is bird.ma0.me
[23:25] <com64> btw, I'm cross-compiling
[23:25] <mattalexx> littlebearz, What exactly is that field setting?
[23:25] <com64> also, I've cross-compiled the exact same thing for a different platform without problems.
[23:25] <robinsch> :p
[23:25] <littlebearz> mattalexx: for mine, I put littlebearz while it serves vpn.xxw.ca
[23:26] <littlebearz> mattalexx: its up to the DNS to route to the correct IP and your webserver to accept the vhost
[23:27] <el_seano> edbian: That's not terribly specific though, is it?  And how would I go about determing which parts of the RAM are inaccessible to just this program?
[23:28] <edbian> el_seano: Well it's really more like the programmer did not do his job well.  It's a bug.  (Most likely).  But you can get the source if you'd like.  It is not something a non-programmer could fix.
[23:28] <edbian> el_seano: If you wanna learn about what ram a program can access and which it cannot get a book about operating systems.  Memory management is a huge deal in developing an OS
[23:29] <edbian> el_seano: I don't fully understand it so I can't explain much more than that.
[23:29] <Andy-at-home> why dont i have iptables installed in a default ubuntu 10.04?
[23:29] <Khisanth> el_seano: you can try disabling all the plugins first
[23:29] <edbian> Andy-at-home: It is not a package.  It's built into the kernel
[23:29] <edbian> Andy-at-home: sudo iptables -L
[23:30] <Andy-at-home> does nothing
[23:30] <edbian> Andy-at-home: sudo iptables -L  does nothing?
[23:30] <el_seano> Khisanth: disabling the plugins without running the program would entail moving or removing them I think.  I tried using rhythmbox with the --dry-run option, which I sort of figured would load it without any plugins or user settings, but no such luck,.
[23:30] <Andy-at-home> lol, aye, 'command not found'
[23:30] <edbian> Andy-at-home: you're using sudo ?
[23:31] <Andy-at-home> indeed
[23:31] <edbian> Andy-at-home: What os are you running?
[23:31] <el_seano> edbian: It seems to me that the programs running under init should have access to the memory detailed by `free`, yeah/
[23:31] <Andy-at-home> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS \n \l
[23:31] <el_seano> ?
[23:31] <Khisanth> el_seano: well the only point of that is to determine if the segfault is from rb or one of the plugins
[23:31] <edbian> Andy-at-home: oh, look at that, it is a package :/
[23:31] <el_seano> ah, I see
[23:31] <edbian> el_seano: It's more elaborate than that :)
[23:31] <edbian> :P
[23:31] <el_seano> edbian: fair enough :)
[23:32] <edbian> el_seano: :)
[23:32] <Khisanth> el_seano: if you replace "memory" with "money" your rhythmbox is attempting a bank robbery :)
[23:32] <Andy-at-home> this because its a VPS? maybe iptables controlled by the host operating system?
[23:33] <Andy-at-home> installed now
[23:33] <el_seano> ah ha!
[23:33] <edbian> Andy-at-home: this is not default ubuntu
[23:33] <edbian> el_seano: ah-ha ?
[23:33] <Andy-at-home> thats mental, no logs until i install rsyslog and no iptables
[23:33] <el_seano> so removing rhythmbox-plugins, rhythmbox-plugin-cd-recorder and rhythmbox-ubuntu-one-store let me start up rhythmbox
[23:33] <el_seano> had to be all three
[23:34] <el_seano> doing one at a time (well, incrementally anyway) was still spewing out segmentation faults
[23:34] <Khisanth> could have been the last one removed :)
[23:34] <Viper550> Okay, I'm on Oneric with Virtualbox and guest additions on, why isn't it going to unity 3d mode?
[23:34] <edbian> el_seano: there ya go
[23:34] <edbian> el_seano: Tell those plugin devs they don't know what they're doing.
[23:35] <el_seano> edbian: And how!
[23:35] <edbian> el_seano: ha
[23:35] <ciunix> #ubuntu-it
[23:35] <Khisanth> just make sure the packager didn't patch anything first ...
[23:37] <Andy-at-home> after making changes to iptables do i need to do anything? reboot?
[23:37] <edbian> Andy-at-home: no
[23:38] <Alexandra13> Does anybody know anything about Virtualbox and ssh tunnels?
[23:38] <edbian> Andy-at-home: infact, if you do, it gets wiped out
[23:38] <Andy-at-home> lol, ah cool, thanks
[23:38] <giuseppe__> hi all
[23:39] <wildbat> hi
[23:39] <kyan> edbian: http://pastebin.com/Hfe1jJsy
[23:39] <giuseppe__> anybody can explain me how to install a git server in a my computer? not github.. but a repository like cvs but in git
[23:39] <edbian> kyan: reading...
[23:39] <edbian> kyan: what the heck is HEST table not found?
[23:39] <Khisanth> giuseppe__: #git would be better for that
[23:40] <kyan> edbian: That included anything that looked like an error to me, or looked like it might be of interest.
[23:40] <kyan> edbian: I don't have any clue.
[23:40] <edbian> kyan: It's interesting
[23:40] <kyan> edbian: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/599715
[23:41] <Python> query phrik
[23:41] <Python> oops
[23:42] <edbian> kyan: Comment that it's still there for you as well.  put your uname -a for them to see.  use an older kernel.
[23:43] <Alexandra13> Nobody knows anything about ssh commands?
[23:43] <edbian> Alexandra13: I do
[23:43] <Alexandra13> Then may I PM you?
[23:43] <MrUnagi> has anyone here successfully set up a mail server?
[23:44] <edbian> Can we talk in the channel?
[23:44] <Alexandra13> Ok
[23:44] <edbian> Alexandra13: :)
[23:44] <Alexandra13> What is the following doing?: ssh -N -L
[23:45] <ionite> Can I install Natty from my external HDD? Using it as a USB boot up device?
[23:45] <lion42> ionite, yes, you should be able to.
[23:45] <edbian> Alexandra13: well -N does not execute a remote command.  It is used to open ports
[23:45] <ionite> but my HDD is NTFS
[23:46] <Alexandra13> That sounds about right
[23:46] <edbian> Alexandra13: This is in man ssh.  -L specifics what addresses / ports to forward
[23:46] <KM0201> ionite: are you wanting to install "FROM" (ie, use the usb to install to an internal drive) or install "TO" the external... Either way, the usb will have to be formatted.
[23:47] <ionite> can i install from a SD card then? the concept is still the same, USB?
[23:47] <Alexandra13> I see, so in the following command it's forwarding port 9050 to an internal IP?
[23:47] <Alexandra13> ssh -N -L 9050:<IP_ADDRESS>:9050<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:47] <KM0201> ionite: , i thnk so.. never used an sdcard, but i don't see why not
[23:48] <lion42> ionite, if your computer can boot from your card reader, which I suspect some cannot?
[23:48] <lion42> But if it does, sure why not.
[23:48] <edbian> Alexandra13: That is a typo
[23:48] <ionite> cuz my thumbdrive is only 128mb but my SD is 8GB
[23:48] <KM0201> ionite: agree w/ lion42 as long as your machine can boot the sdcard, i don't see why you couldn't boot it.
[23:48] <edbian> Alexandra13: 9050:<IP_ADDRESS>:9050  you specify the port twice
[23:49] <Alexandra13> It works though
[23:49] <KM0201> ionite: i'd try following the steps to create a bootable USB, but instead of selecting a USB device, select your SD card
[23:49] <ionite> i tried booting from SD many times but i kept encountering error such as vesamenu32: com32r image error
[23:49] <KM0201> ionite: worst that happens, it doesn't work
[23:49] <edbian> Alexandra13: curious
[23:49] <kyan> edbian: Sorry what do you mean?
[23:49] <edbian> Alexandra13: you don't need the precceding 9050
[23:49] <edbian> kyan: Comment on the bug, use an older kernel.
[23:49] <edbian> kyan: What don't you understand?
[23:49] <lion42> ionite, are you planning on installing ubuntu to the hd in your computer, or are you trying to run it off of sd/externaldrive/whatever?
[23:49] <ionite> or recently another error is that: Loading Bootimage                           and the screen freezes there.
[23:50] <kyan> edbian: Oh, the bug. Sorry! Duh.
[23:50] <Alexandra13> I see, but it won't affect the command will it? Even if redundant
[23:50] <edbian> kyan: ha, sure
[23:50] <ionite> i'm installing onto my C drive from my SD card
[23:50] <edbian> Alexandra13: apparently not
[23:50] <lion42> ionite, why not just pick up a cd?
[23:50] <Khisanth> would be odd if it did
[23:50] <lion42> Or a 5$ 2gb usb stick
[23:50] <ionite> i don't have a CD writer
[23:50] <Alexandra13> Ok then, so I'm not too worried about it. Maybe the latter 9050 doesn't need to be there. What's the comman actually doing?
[23:51]  * lion42 shrugs. that's what I would do, in any case.
[23:51] <KM0201> lion42: i agree...
[23:51] <edbian> Alexandra13: forwards the port 9050 on address 10.whatever to the server your sshing to.  I'm not very sure on the details though
[23:52] <Khisanth> not quite ...
[23:52] <Khisanth> that is sshing to .3.1 but the forwarding is to .2.2 :)
[23:52] <edbian> aaah
[23:53] <Alexandra13> Ok then, well let's say that this tunnel is providing 9050 with the internet, does this mean I can modify other applications to use the same port so that they also use the internet?
[23:54] <kyan> edbian: Like this?
[23:54] <kyan> edbian: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/599715/comments/14
[23:54] <edbian> kyan: lookgs good
[23:54] <edbian> quite ubottu
[23:55] <buhman> I have an active-backup port-trunk/bond and I want to arbitrarily select which interface I want to be the active slave
[23:55] <kyan> edbian: I don't think that's what is keeping me from getting a graphical login to work though. It seems like quite a popular problem.
[23:55] <Khisanth> Alexandra13: sounds like you are trying to do transparent proxying
[23:55] <Alexandra13> Khisanth: You're correct.
[23:55] <edbian> kyan: yes.  switch to ctrl + alt + F1 and run sudo gdm
[23:56] <kyan> ctrl+alt+f1 did nothing.
[23:56] <duli> What package should I install so firefox changes its language to the same of my system?
[23:56] <edbian> kyan: You can't switch to ctrl + alt + F1 anymore?  you could before?
[23:57] <edbian> kyan: Did you never leave it?
[23:57] <kyan> edbian: /usr/sbin/gdm-binary: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgio-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_mapped_file_unref
[23:57] <kyan> edbian: I don't think I ever did leave it.
[23:57] <edbian> kyan: That's the error you got?
[23:57] <edbian> kyan: sudo apt-get update
[23:57] <kyan> Yes
[23:57] <edbian> kyan: sudo apt-get safe-upgrade
[23:57] <Alexandra13> Khisanth: So far it's been set up to work. Ubuntu cannot connect to the internet, except through two ports where firefox is connected to. The ssh commands make this possible. My problems is that I can't get KVIrc to do the same.
[23:58] <kyan> edbian: Ok, thanks. I'll have to leave for a bit (only one machine can have internet at a time) though.
[23:58] <edbian> kyan: ok
[23:58] <Khisanth> Alexandra13: do you know what kind of proxy you are dealing with?
[23:58] <edbian> kyan: if it doesn't upgrade gdm you should sudo apt-get purge gdm and then sudo apt-get install gdm
[23:58] <KM0201> ionite: not sure where you live, but the CVS near me, they have 4gig thumb drives for like $8.. they're made by Lexar they work fine
[23:59] <Alexandra13> Khisanth: No. Is there any way I could tell? I didn't set this up myself.
[23:59] <centHOGG> spend $$$