[06:18] <DarkTrick> jphilips, thank you for picking the topic up!
[06:20] <DarkTrick> @whisker: I want to screem at my computer about 3 times a day for that bug, but I don't have any more capacity for fighting for a fix. I hope 20.10 fixes it in 3 month
[06:20] <Unit193> 20.10 technically already fixed it.
[06:20] <DarkTrick> 👍 glad to hear that!
[06:23] <DarkTrick> jphilips, regarding S&U: good to know there's a report already. I'm counting on it :)
[07:12] <jphilips> DarkTrick: i have started to use app finder instead of whisker menu and tied it to Ctrl + Space :D
[07:49] <jphilips> bluesabre will be checking how easy we can make the renaming in settings manager
[11:03] <DarkTrick> jphilips, So simple, but so perfect. If feel so stupid! Thank you for the idea! made my ... next three months!👍
[14:11] <jphilips> DarkTrick: i disable the showing of the categories in app finder as well, so it feels more like other launcher apps
[14:12] <DarkTrick> This is sooo nice!
[14:12] <DarkTrick> thank you again jphilips!
[14:12] <DarkTrick> I didn't even know you can configure it :D
[14:13] <jphilips> preferences button :D
[14:13] <DarkTrick> never really say that :D
[14:13] <jphilips> this is how it looks when it launches https://imgur.com/9mvHH64.png
[14:14] <DarkTrick> 👍
[14:15] <jphilips> when i shared a screenshot of it on twitter, people were very curious about using the same setup :D
[14:37] <pleia2> jphilips: I saw a proposal from the fosshost folks but no follow-up, are we using them? (they list us as one of their projects)
[14:39] <pleia2> ah, looks like that's what the temporary mattermost bridge is on?


[13:44] <RikMills> santa_: ack
[13:45] <RikMills> notte that staging branch for app is currently WIP 21.12 beta
[13:46] <santa_> yes, I noticed
[13:46] <santa_> I did a rebuild of everything in the night
[13:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks


[00:01] <Saviq> jdstrand, found the issue, qtubuntu reverses the arguments
[00:16] <Saviq> jdstrand, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5866645/ is the grep DEN
[00:16] <Saviq> jdstrand, and I'm prepping a fix for qtubuntu
[00:22] <Saviq> jdstrand, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/qtubuntu/fix-reversed-arguments/+merge/174313
[00:43] <Saviq> jdstrand, https://chinstrap.canonical.com/~msawicz/phablet/ these two packages should sort you out
[00:59] <Saviq> jdstrand, or you can get the packages from jenkins output.zip https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/qtubuntu/fix-reversed-arguments/+merge/174313/comments/390384
[01:00]  * Saviq → bed
[07:01] <tvoss_> Saviq, ping
[07:01] <Saviq> tvoss_, pong
[07:02] <tvoss_> Saviq, good morning :) quick one: shared_ptr's and qml, good or bad idea?
[07:02] <Saviq> tvoss_, http://qt-project.org/wiki/SharedPointersAndQmlOwnership ;)
[07:03] <tvoss_> Saviq, so usual QObject* and c'tors with QObject* parent are best
[07:03] <Saviq> tvoss_, yeah, that's what QML expects
[07:04] <Saviq> tvoss_, and even though we're using some shareds here and there and haven't noticed problems
[07:04] <Saviq> tvoss_, YMMV
[07:04] <tvoss_> okay
[07:12] <Saviq> tvoss_, to make things safer, Satoris sents up the data() of a QSharedPointer after having set the object ownership to Cpp
[07:13] <tvoss_> Saviq, ack
[07:13] <Saviq> tvoss_, as described in the wiki, really
[07:13] <tvoss_> Saviq, yeah, bookmarked that one
[07:14] <Saviq> Mirv, hey, glad 5.1 worked for you - the test... must've been something weird with the environment, it should've exported QT_QPA_PLATFORM=minmal so that it doesn't try and connect to X
[07:15] <Saviq> Mirv, otherwise it'd fail everywhere from jenkins to the PPA
[07:18] <Mirv> Saviq: I'm glad as well. sure, something weird it. it'll pop up again if it's something that needs fixing.
[07:18] <Saviq> Mirv, yup
[08:15] <Saviq> let's see, will I make it through the power outage?
[08:20] <nic-doffay> Cimi, can you pastebin me an example of a component using themes/colour pallet’s?
[08:46] <nic-doffay> Saviq, how much battery left?
[08:46] <Saviq> nic-doffay, 1:23
[08:47] <Saviq> nic-doffay, unfortunately it's a dying battery :/
[08:47]  * Saviq needs to finally fix it / get one for the optical drive bay
[08:47] <nic-doffay> Saviq, aren't they all? :P
[08:47] <Saviq> nic-doffay, indeed!
[08:47] <nic-doffay> Took me ages to buy a new one.
[08:48] <Saviq> nic-doffay, this one lasted some disappointing 18 months
[08:48] <Saviq> was nice at the beginning with almost 8hrs life... now it's more like 1:40
[08:54] <nic-doffay> Saviq, mine for ages was 0. haha
[08:54] <Saviq> nic-doffay, ;)
[08:55] <nic-doffay> Cimi, up above dude. <nic-doffay> Cimi, can you pastebin me an example of a component using themes/colour pallet’s?
[08:55] <nic-doffay> At least just the colour pallet for now.
[08:56] <nic-doffay> I'll figure the Ubuntu Shape thing later on.
[08:56] <nic-doffay> That def will need themes.
[09:18] <Cimi> nic-doffay, sorry it's the ping day
[09:18] <Cimi> nic-doffay, got so many pings I am catching up :)
[09:18] <Cimi> your turn
[09:19] <Cimi> nic-doffay, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/revision/608
[09:27] <nic-doffay> Cimi, what am I looking for?
[09:27] <Cimi> nic-doffay, color: Theme.paletter.normal.background
[09:27] <Cimi> -r
[09:27] <nic-doffay> Cimi, and for labels and all that?
[09:28] <nic-doffay> Colours etc?
[09:28] <Cimi> nic-doffay, the documentation for colours is in the palette file
[09:28] <nic-doffay> Cimi, ok great
[09:28] <Cimi> should be easy, ask if you need
[09:34] <nic-doffay> Cimi, which ones the Pallete file?
[09:34] <nic-doffay> There are two here.
[09:34] <Cimi> nic-doffay, actually
[09:34] <Cimi> https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/color_palette/+merge/173114
[09:34] <Cimi> this is easier to read
[09:35] <Cimi> nic-doffay, modules/Ubuntu/Components/Themes/PaletteValues.qml
[09:37] <nic-doffay> Cimi, what do I need to import?
[09:38] <Cimi> nic-doffay, nothing
[09:38] <nic-doffay> Cimi, and testing this works?
[09:38] <nic-doffay> Just run the the gallery preview in the sdk?
[09:38] <nic-doffay> Any idea?
[09:41] <Cimi> nic-doffay, wait a bit then mumble
[09:50] <Cimi> nic-doffay, mumble?
[09:50] <nic-doffay> Cimi, yeah one sec...
[09:56] <Cimi> nic-doffay, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/camera-app/trunk/files
[10:05] <sil2100> dednick: hi! Unity unit tests for i386 started failing, strangely
[10:05] <sil2100> dednick: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/144774686/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-i386.unity_7.0.2%2B13.10.20130712-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:05] <sil2100> dednick: re-running didn't help... do you know maybe what could be wrong?
[10:07] <dednick> sil2100: not really. if you look at the failure output, the expected and actual values are the same.
[10:09] <dednick> sil2100: new version of gtest?
[10:10] <sil2100> dednick: most probably
[10:13] <mhr3> sil2100, there's special template for comparing doubles, i guess it's not used though it should be
[10:13] <mhr3> doubles are rarely equal
[10:14] <sil2100> mhr3: right, I think that needs to be fixed, as by some 'lucky chance' it passed for armhf and amd64 ;)
[10:14] <sil2100> dednick: hm, I checked and there seems to be no new gtest
[10:14] <sil2100> I wonder why suddenly it stopped working
[10:15] <mhr3> sil2100, btw any progress on the hud thing?
[10:23] <mhr3> i suppose dist-upgrade wanting to remove ubuntu-touch is not a good thing
[10:29] <dednick_> sil2100: all tests succeed for me
[10:33] <mhr3> dednick_, it's EXPECT_EQ() on doubles
[10:33] <mhr3> eeek!
[10:38] <nic-doffay> Cimi, where can I get opacity values for the themes?
[10:38] <nic-doffay> or do you just set the whole colour?
[10:41] <nic-doffay> Cimi, and one thing else. Any idea how I can see the themes in action?
[10:41] <Cimi> nic-doffay, colours are rgba
[10:41] <Cimi> nic-doffay, to set theme
[10:41] <nic-doffay> Cimi, right so no separate alpha.
[10:41] <Cimi> nic-doffay, in your main qml file
[10:41] <sil2100> mhr3: didn't hear any info about that...
[10:42] <sil2100> dednick_: hm, are you on i386?
[10:42] <Cimi> Component.onCompleted: Theme.name = "Ubuntu.Components.Themes.SuruGradient"
[10:42] <dednick_> sil2100: 64
[10:42] <Cimi> nic-doffay, ^
[10:42] <sil2100> dednick_: it seems amd64 didn't have that problem
[10:42] <sil2100> dednick_: maybe mhr3 is right and we should expect double values some differently
[10:42] <dednick_> sil2100: possibly
[10:43] <sil2100> dednick_: are you free right now to fix that, or busy and I should try that? :)
[10:44] <dednick_> sil2100: not what i would say "free"
[10:44] <dednick_> sil2100: you on 64
[10:44] <dednick_> or 32?
[10:44] <sil2100> amd64 as well, sadly!
[10:45] <nic-doffay> Cimi, can you not bind it?
[10:45] <Saviq> mhr3, ubuntu-touch is being fixed now
[10:45] <Saviq> mhr3, or is fixed already, just needs to get published
[10:45] <Saviq> mhr3, but it shouldn't matter
[10:46] <mhr3> Saviq, it also wanted to remove indicators
[10:46] <Saviq> mhr3, as it only gets removed because indicators-plugins* are integrated into unity8
[10:46] <Saviq> mhr3, and the seed wasn't updated yet
[10:46] <Cimi> nic-doffay, bind what?
[10:46] <mhr3> Saviq, k, thx for update
[10:46] <Saviq> mhr3, indicators-plugins, not indicators themselves, right?
[10:47] <nic-doffay> Cimi, I just threw that code into The option selector and tried it out in the gallery. No change.
[10:47] <mhr3> Saviq, indicator-client-plugin-*
[10:47] <Saviq> mhr3, yup, that's fine
[10:47] <nic-doffay> Cimi, the onCompleted
[10:47] <Saviq> mhr3, built into unity8 since yesterday
[10:48] <mhr3> coolio
[10:50] <mhr3> sil2100, i have 32bit chroot
[10:51] <dednick_> sil2100: not sure why it's not working though. the values should be the same...
[10:51] <mhr3> cause it's doubles
[10:51] <dednick_> and?
[10:51] <mhr3> :-O
[10:51] <dednick_> 1.00201 != 1.00201
[10:52] <mhr3> printing a double truncates it
[10:52] <dednick_> i've checked the code, they should be the same
[10:52] <mhr3> the reality is that 1.0020100000001 != 1.0020100000003
[10:52] <dednick_> mhr3: it's not
[10:54] <dednick_> sil2100: when did this stop working?
[10:54] <mhr3> dednick_, you can never compare a double for equality, that's a cs fact
[10:55] <dednick_> cs?
[10:55] <Saviq> computer science
[10:56] <dednick_> (should_be_selected ? 1.0f : 0.9f) * progress != (should_be_selected ? 1.0f : 0.9f) * progress
[10:56] <mhr3> damn, he got me
[10:56] <mhr3> ok, in one case you can :P
[10:57] <mhr3> i can't build unity
[10:57] <dednick_> mhr3: saucy update
[10:58] <mhr3> add_subdirectory given source "/usr/src/gmock" which is not an existing
[10:58] <mhr3>   directory.
[10:58] <dednick_> mhr3: yeah. new gmock
[10:58] <mhr3> upgrading then
[10:58] <dednick_> mhr3: there probably should be a check for the version in the configure
[11:00] <dednick_> i wonder if gtest is trunking one of the values going into the test equality function
[11:00] <sil2100> dednick_: I only noticed it failing since like yesterday
[11:01] <dednick_> damn. my laptop is burning. something keeps frying my cpu!
[11:01] <mhr3> dednick_, hud! :)
[11:02] <dednick_> mhr3: really? how do i kill it!?
[11:03] <sil2100> killall hud-service
[11:03] <sil2100> Try that!
[11:03] <sil2100> SHOOT IT
[11:03] <dednick_> process not found
[11:04] <mhr3> pkill -f hud-service
[11:04] <dednick_> killall unity
[11:04] <sil2100> OHSHIT
[11:04] <sil2100> ;)
[11:06] <mhr3> sil2100, anyway, i don't think the hud fix is going to happen anytime soon, hud guys want unity to use the new interface and implementing that will take a while
[11:08] <sil2100> mhr3: *sighs* - since if you say that all the unity AP failures are caused by the DBus issue that is caused by HUD, then hm, we seem to be blocked - just hope the problems are not 100% reproducible
[11:12] <mhr3> sil2100, ehm, how do i run the unit tests these days? make check not make test doesnt' work
[11:13] <Cimi> nic-doffay, in the main qml file
[11:13] <Cimi> nic-doffay, you need updated packages
[11:14] <nic-doffay> Cimi, as of when?
[11:18] <Cimi> nic-doffay, today
[11:18] <mhr3> sil2100, nvm
[12:15] <dandrader> Saviq, Have you seen something like that? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5867928/
[12:15] <dandrader> ^ when running ./build
[12:15] <Saviq> dandrader, you need ppa:ubuntu-unity/next
[12:15] <Saviq> dandrader, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/clean-build-scripts-coding/+merge/173847
[12:34]  * Saviq goes back home looking for power
[12:34] <Saviq> biab
[12:50] <jdstrand> Saviq: hi! thanks for the work on bug #1200437
[12:51] <Saviq> jdstrand, cheers
[12:51] <jdstrand> Saviq: I haven't been able to test it yet because the files in output.zip and your directory don't seem to include the fix
[12:51] <Saviq> jdstrand, oh!
[12:51] <Saviq> jdstrand, that'd be very weird
[12:51] <Saviq> jdstrand, /me tests
[12:52] <jdstrand> Saviq: ie, it didn't work, so I read /usr/share/doc/qthybris/changelog.Debian.gz and it doesn't show your change
[12:52] <Saviq> jdstrand, I didn't add anything to the changelog, though
[12:52] <Saviq> jdstrand, we're relying on daily release to do it for us
[12:52] <jdstrand> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5867991/
[12:52] <jdstrand> ah
[12:52] <Saviq> jdstrand, did you reboot after installing?
[12:52] <jdstrand> I did not reboot
[12:52] <Saviq> jdstrand, you at least needed to restart the shell
[12:52] <jdstrand> I guess I should do that?
[12:53] <jdstrand> I see
[12:53]  * jdstrand restart
[12:53] <Saviq> jdstrand, yeah, it needs to pick up the new lib
[12:53] <jdstrand> ok, that makes sense. not sure why I didn't think of that :)
[12:54] <jdstrand> \o/
[12:54] <jdstrand> it is working now :)
[12:54]  * jdstrand hugs Saviq
[12:54] <Saviq> jdstrand, awesome
[13:00] <jdstrand> Saviq: the only trick is that the version in output.zip is the same as the one in saucy right now. when do you think saucy will have the fix?
[13:00] <dandrader> greyback, will Shell.qml and Stage.qml (specially the animations code) change much with unity8-mir or will it be essentially about having a new implementation of Ubuntu.Applicaion module
[13:01] <greyback> dandrader: I've a refactoring branch, which just isolates the WM code out of a shell into a more testable condition. I need to update that and figure out why some of the tests failed
[13:03] <greyback> dandrader: the plan has been to limit the amount of changes in unity8, so will still be grabbing screenshot from Mir and animating that - not the surface itself. The new AppManager will need a few code changes, but nothing major. I'm hoping there'll not be too many changes
[13:03] <Saviq> jdstrand, as soon as it's approved / merged / released
[13:10] <dandrader> greyback, ok. do you mind if I take that bug from you? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1116207  I'm idle at the moment
[13:10] <greyback> dandrader: go for it
[13:19] <jdstrand> Saviq: oh, can you paste the apparmor denials somewhere?
[13:19] <Saviq> jdstrand, I did, let me scroll up
[13:19] <jdstrand> ah, missed that
[13:20] <Saviq> jdstrand, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5866645/
[13:20] <Saviq> jdstrand, that's maguro, btw
[13:20] <jdstrand> thanks! :)
[13:20] <jdstrand> I'll get that adjusted in our policy
[13:20] <Saviq> cheers
[13:26] <seb128> Saviq, dednick: hey, do you know what's the status of using the real indicators in unity8/ubuntu touch?
[13:27] <seb128> Saviq, dednick: we had a couple ported to gmenu in saucy but I think we still don't use them on touch? what is blocking?
[13:27] <Saviq> dednick, I'll leave that to you ↑
[13:30] <dednick> seb128: i believe they don't have phone profiles yet. at the moment i think they're only supportted on desktop
[13:30] <seb128> dednick, is the unity side ready?
[13:30] <seb128> dednick, larsu said they didn't have phone profile because nobody asked for those profiles yet
[13:30] <dednick> seb128: unity8?
[13:30] <dednick> seb128: i've asked for them.
[13:30] <dednick> maybe i dont count
[13:30] <seb128> dednick, is the only piece missing to use them on the touch image the phone profile?
[13:31] <seb128> dednick, where did you ask?
[13:31] <dednick> indicator status meeting
[13:33] <dednick> seb128: indicator status meeting
[13:33] <seb128> dednick, sorry, my session closed
[13:34] <seb128> dednick, ok ... so is everything ready on the unity8 side? (e.g if we can an indicator exporting a phone profile we can use it on unity8)?
[13:34] <seb128> dednick, can you open a bug on launchpad about what you need? that's easier to track
[13:35] <dednick> seb128: yep, should be good to go when we have them.
[13:35] <seb128> excellent
[13:35] <seb128> how can I test that?
[13:35] <seb128> just running an indicator with a phone profile on the current touch image should work?
[13:40] <greyback> kgunn: lol
[13:49] <kgunn> greyback: are you running xmir ?
[13:49] <greyback> kgunn: yes
[13:50] <kgunn> did you pin the ppa ? if so, can you dist-upgrade and see if it tries to remove/uninstall lightdm/u-s-c
[13:50] <kgunn> (assuming you haven't dist-upgraded today)
[13:51] <greyback> kgunn: yep I pinned the PPA. Ok, trying...
[13:51] <om26er> mhr3, ping
[13:52]  * kgunn hopes i have some latent apt-cache issue...
[13:53] <mhr3> om26er, pong
[13:54] <om26er> mhr3, after searching in the dash I see installed scopes along with apps: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/143920097/t.png
[13:54] <om26er> mhr3, I am hoping its something for scopes team (?)
[13:55] <mhr3> om26er, like on desktop, yes
[13:56] <om26er> mhr3, they are appearing alongside installed apps, which looks wrong
[13:56] <om26er> mhr3, is that expected ?
[13:57] <mhr3> atm, yes
[14:00] <greyback> kgunn: u-s-c is being kept back. lightdm untouched
[14:01] <kgunn> greyback: well good...so it didn't remove either in your case....just a failure to update u-s-c
[14:01] <kgunn> ?
[14:01] <greyback> kgunn: yep
[14:03] <kgunn> greyback: f me....why did it uninstall mine?
[14:03] <kgunn> anyone know of a way to clear apt cache just in case something lurking in there?
[14:03] <kgunn> ....oh....nvmd....i think i know
[14:04] <kgunn> greyback: thank you for the interruption....
[14:04] <greyback> kgunn: I'm really not sure how that could've happened. The pin priority is 1002, which should be the highest
[14:05] <greyback> does it let you re-install lightdm? What lightdm package is it?
[14:05] <kgunn> greyback: no...it does the lightdm depends on u-s-c, but can't install u-s-c cause of libmirserver version
[14:05] <kgunn> the classic broken package...
[14:05] <greyback> yay :(
[14:07] <kgunn> kgunn: so its good /bad.....it is broken....but i bet for people already running xmir ( & for most non-stupid people, e.g. !kgunn) then it will just whine
[14:07] <kgunn> but keep working
[14:07] <greyback> kgunn: 0.0.6bzr848saucy0 is what I'm installing now with the dist-upgrade
[14:07] <greyback> ah kgunn syndrome, yet I get that sometimes :)
[14:08] <kgunn> greyback: well..it really sucks when you have it 24/7 ; )
[14:08] <greyback> chronic kgunn, whoa nasty. Gotta be drugs for that
[15:08] <Saviq> kgunn, greyback having fun here, eh? go back to work!
[15:09] <kgunn> Saviq: yes...sorry....no more fun
[15:09] <Saviq> :)
[15:10] <greyback> Saviq: but it's Friiiddaaay
[15:11]  * Saviq always wondered why Friday is called thus... /me never had a free day on Friday
[15:12] <didrocks> JohnLea: I'm afraid I won't have the time in the forseable future for this enhancement TBH
[15:13] <didrocks> JohnLea: my personal load average is 3,02, 2,35, 2,85 ;)
[15:19] <JohnLea> didrocks; no worries, it's not essential because we are already making that differentiation by looking at which bugs are assigned to designers and which are not
[15:19] <JohnLea> didrocks; it only cleans up something we are doing already, so is non-essential
[15:19] <didrocks> ok
[15:19] <JohnLea> didrocks; will you be in IOM for sprint?
[15:19] <didrocks> JohnLea: yep, maybe between 2 meetings, we can have a look :)
[15:20] <JohnLea> didrocks; no, would be good to see you and grab a beer, that's all ;-)
[15:20] <JohnLea> didrocks; it depends if the power stays on this time as well, at the last sprint there we were having power cuts!
[15:21] <didrocks> JohnLea: that will make all that… interesting! ;)
[15:22] <didrocks> JohnLea: will be good to see you too!
[15:22] <JohnLea> didrocks; well have a good weekend, speak soon!
[15:22] <didrocks> JohnLea: thanks, you too!
[15:25] <Saviq> o/ o| o/ guys
[15:25] <Saviq> have a great weekend!
[15:26] <dednick> Saviq: cya
[15:26] <dednick> Saviq: have a good weekend
[15:32] <MacSlow> saviq_ happy weekend-time
[15:38] <sil2100> dednick: btw. since I probably missed something... were you able to resolve the failing unit test on i386 for unity?
[15:38] <sil2100> *unit tests
[15:49] <dednick> sil2100: mhr3 is your man, but i believe so
[15:50] <mhr3> sil2100, Trevinho was on that
[15:50] <sil2100> :D
[15:51]  * sil2100 waits until Trevinho points him to andyrock or someone else
[15:51] <sil2100> ;)
[15:51] <sil2100> Trevinho: any luck?
[15:51] <mhr3> it's pretty simple fix though
[15:51] <Trevinho> andyrock: ^
[15:51] <Trevinho> bschaefer: ^
[15:51] <sil2100> ;)
[15:51]  * bschaefer wonders whats going ong
[15:51]  * Trevinho ping jocking... :D
[15:51] <Trevinho> bschaefer: nothing... Just a ping ^_^
[15:52] <bschaefer> well hello :)
[15:52] <Trevinho> bschaefer: hi! :)
[15:52] <bregma> bschaefer, it's just a finger-pointing circle thing
[15:52] <Trevinho> ping proxy I wanted to write.. but "proxy" got lost
[15:52] <bschaefer> haha, well Ill stop the cycle!
[15:52] <bschaefer> bschaefer, ping
[15:52] <Trevinho> Nooo... deadlock!
[15:53] <bschaefer> haha
[15:53] <Trevinho> sil2100: Im with you now... Let me read backlog :)
[15:56] <sil2100> Trevinho: it's about the unit-tests failing for i386 related to double values ;)
[15:56] <sil2100> Trevinho: any progress?
[15:56] <sil2100> Since it causes FTBFS and blockage of the unity stackz
[15:57] <Trevinho> sil2100: ah, ok... I'll fix it in a branch is coming with other tests as well
[15:57] <Trevinho> sil2100: how much time do I have? :)
[15:57] <mhr3> 175 seconds :P
[15:58] <sil2100> Trevinho: I think there's no haste anymore, Friday releases are a bad idea ;p
[15:58] <sil2100> I understood that with seb128 some time ago when publishing of indicators on a Friday afternoon caused a nasty regression
[15:58]  * sil2100 makes no more Friday afternoon releases
[15:59] <Trevinho> ah I see.. I didn't notice it was blocking something important (and I saw builds ok in builders)
[15:59] <Trevinho> sil2100: didrocks teached you his story? :)
[15:59] <sil2100> Trevinho: the problem is that it's ok for armhf and amd64, but fails for i386 o_O
[16:00]  * didrocks looks at his scarves
[16:00] <didrocks> scares* even
[16:00] <sil2100> Trevinho: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/144774686/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-i386.unity_7.0.2%2B13.10.20130712-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:02] <Trevinho> sil2100: yeah, I was already on that link
[16:02] <sil2100> \o/
[16:03] <sil2100> Trevinho: so, no hurry, but thanks for working on that ;)
[16:06] <Trevinho> sil2100: I can do one-line fixes :)
[16:36]  * greyback eow
[19:22] <slangasek> ok, so I'm trying to fix bug #1193120
[19:22] <slangasek> but rebuilding the package that's currently in saucy is failing
[19:22] <slangasek> make[5]: *** No rule to make target `../tests/test-gtest-xless', needed by `tests/CMakeFiles/check-headless'.  Stop.
[19:22] <slangasek> does someone know what's going wrong here?
[20:04] <gotwig> hey there
[20:04] <gotwig> why is it C for Scope programming?
[20:04] <gotwig> what is wrong with Vala and C++ ?
[20:16] <gotwig> why c....
[20:16] <gotwig> why
[20:19] <bschaefer> gotwig, ... whats wrong with C?
[20:20] <bschaefer> slangasek, hmm my test-gtest-xless seems to have  compiled fine
[20:21] <bschaefer> though in a make-check i've failing on test-unit...which Trevinho has a branch im reviewing which should fix that...
[20:22] <bschaefer> and make-headless seems to be working as well
[20:22] <Trevinho> bschaefer: make check-headless :)
[20:22] <bschaefer> yeah that one :)
[20:23]  * bschaefer type-o-ed
[20:29] <gotwig> bschaefer: what is wrong with C++ and Vala...
[20:29] <gotwig> bschaefer: programming via C is not the modern approach for programming nowadays.
[20:29] <bschaefer> gotwig, we could be at this all day :)
[20:29] <gotwig> bschaefer: why C , seriously
[20:30] <bschaefer> gotwig, theres nothing wrong with either choice, but theres also nothing wrong with C, and C works very well
[20:30] <gotwig> bschaefer: why have you choosen C as the main language for scopes
[20:31]  * bschaefer did not choose anything
[20:31] <gotwig> Warum habt ihr C genommen
[20:31] <Trevinho> Vala is awesome, but it's also unstable and has missing features... C++11 is fantastic as well, modern and a allows to code quickly and powerfully!
[20:31] <gotwig> because the english language is too bad to distinguish
[20:31] <gotwig> Trevinho: wait... missing features? Do you compare Vala now with C or... what?
[20:32] <gotwig> once, unity scopes were written in Python, than Vala. Why now C? Why not C++?
[20:32] <bschaefer> python was to slow, i remember that switch
[20:33] <gotwig> I cant look at this c code...
[20:33] <gotwig> I began to programm with C... but this hardcore stuff is simply too much for C
[20:33] <bschaefer> learn C :), its a good language to know
[20:33] <gotwig> why can noone say me why there was choosen C
[20:34] <bschaefer> well im not sure who made that choice, im just simply saying that C is not a bad language
[20:34] <gotwig> in the end, Vala is C ABI compatible, so this shouldnt be an issue...
[20:35] <gotwig> I want to program with objects.. not with old prodedural stuff
[20:35] <bschaefer> gotwig, you can think of structs as object :)
[20:35] <bschaefer> objects*
[20:36] <gotwig> if you mean this seriously....
[20:36] <gotwig> well, you must be kidding.
[20:37] <gotwig> maybe they choose C
[20:37] <gotwig> because its so simple
[20:37] <Trevinho> I didn't check the code, but writing a vapi is quite easy generally
[20:37] <bschaefer> no... not really, its the same thing, not the same syntax sugar, mix some function pointers and variables and you've got a class representation
[20:38] <bschaefer> C is simple, expressive and fast
[20:39] <gotwig> there is a reason why C++ is not just a C extension lol
[20:54] <gotwig> so, is there no real reason why we have to use C for our scopes?
[21:05] <bschaefer> gotwig, probably the simplest answer is speed
[21:05] <gotwig> bschaefer: to what
[21:05] <gotwig> I dont understand
[21:05] <bschaefer> the reason to use C
[21:06] <gotwig> in contrast to what
[21:06] <gotwig> I like to see Vala support..
[21:07] <gotwig> or something object orianted programming
[21:07] <bschaefer> yeah, but if you're going for raw speed, C is still the best choice
[21:14] <gotwig> bschaefer: this cant be an argument
[21:15] <bschaefer> gotwig, whats wrong with that argument?
[21:16] <gotwig> bschaefer: I mean... nowadays we dont really care about speed, that much. Vala produces very fast code, as well as C++ code is fast
[21:16] <bschaefer> gotwig, the scopes need to be fast, when you are dealing with 100 scopes... its needs to be as fast as possible...
[21:16] <bschaefer> (i know its not 100 but still)
[21:17] <gotwig> C++ should still be good enough, as well as vala
[21:17] <bschaefer> theres a reason why they went from python -> vala -> C, again im guessing speed was one of those reason but im not sure :)
[21:19] <bschaefer> and yes vala and C++ both produce fast code, but C is still faster :)
[21:22] <slangasek> bschaefer: well, it didn't compile at all here.  So how should I debug this?
[21:22] <bschaefer> slangasek, hmm you're on trunk, updated, and on saucy?
[21:23] <bschaefer> urg..something in my X just blew up.. rebooting
[21:25] <slangasek> bschaefer: I'm on the current version of the package in the saucy archive.  *trunk* fails to build because it depends on a version of libunity that doesn't exist in the archive.
[21:25] <slangasek> bschaefer: I'm on the current version of the package in the saucy archive.  *trunk* fails to build because it depends on a version of libunity that doesn't exist in the archive.
[21:26] <bschaefer> oo
[21:26] <bschaefer> slangasek, yeah, you have to compile it yourself atm...
[21:26] <bschaefer> at lease im having to
[21:26] <slangasek> yeah, I don't want to do that
[21:26] <bschaefer> :(, I don't think its landed in main atm
[21:26] <slangasek> I want to rebuild the package in the archive, which is something that should always work
[21:26] <bschaefer> and another problem is libunity needs to be compiled with .18, but its using 0.20 atm
[21:26] <bschaefer> yes it should
[21:27] <bschaefer> needs to be compiled with vala 0.18*
[21:28] <slangasek> well
[21:28] <slangasek> if nobody knows why the build is failing, I could just apply my patch and push to saucy
[21:28] <slangasek> and hope it builds
[21:28] <slangasek> but I'd rather not do that :P
[21:28] <bschaefer> so right now lp:unity cannot build with the archive...annnd that really should get fixed...
[21:29] <bschaefer> cause there is the wrong version of libunity in main, and libunity isn't building cause its using vala 0.20
[21:29] <bschaefer> which for some reason needs 0.18 to compile atm...
[21:30] <bschaefer> the only way im getting unity to compile atm is compiling/installing libunity my self
[21:30] <slangasek> ok, so is somebody responsible for fixing this?
[21:31] <bschaefer> i would hope its being addressed... but everyone is gone for the day that deals with that, as far as I know...
[21:31] <bschaefer> im just a unity dev :(
[21:31] <slangasek> yeah, it is rather late in the weekend ;)
[21:31] <slangasek> "just a unity dev" - er, but who's responsible for this, if not the unity devs?
[21:32] <bschaefer> well I don't really touch packages that land in main
[21:33] <bschaefer> i would think didrocks or sil2100 or seb would know more about it...
[21:33] <bschaefer> but they are all EOD...so this hopefully will be fix come monday...
[21:34] <bschaefer> fixed*
[22:07] <slangasek> bschaefer: apparently this is bug #1185265, fixed in trunk.
[22:09] <bschaefer> slangasek, yes, compiz still needs to get fixed... which might be blocking things?
[22:09] <slangasek> I have no idea if that would be blocking something
[22:09] <slangasek> but that bug is fixed in trunk, not in saucy
[22:10] <bschaefer> neither would I... the only problem I get when trying to build unity from archive is the libunity problem :(
[22:11] <bschaefer> oo yeah, you are patching  unity...so you'll still run into that...
[22:11] <slangasek> you probably have an out of date version of google-mock installed, then; the new one was uploaded July 4
[22:12] <bschaefer> well I have the new version...but you don't have the unity fix for it
[22:12] <bschaefer> if you are patching unity from archive
[22:13] <bschaefer> im using trunk unity to build thing...
[22:14] <bschaefer> the last entry in my change log:  -- Didier Roche<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Thu, 04 Jul 2013 09:54:08 +0200
[22:19] <slangasek> ah. you said 'build unity from archive'
[22:19] <slangasek> which certainly would have gmock incompatibilities
[22:20] <bschaefer> opps sorry, ment when I try building from trunk
[22:20] <slangasek> right :)
[23:33] <mhall119> Saviq: did you ever get a chance to look at that unity performance complaint I had
[23:33] <mhall119> ?
[23:33] <mhall119> because it's really bad now
[23:36] <mhall119> Saviq: http://ubuntuone.com/0qP1aYKqdDR8Da6q9qMtZ7
[23:36] <mhall119> that's with no apps open and the screen off
[23:37] <mhall119> it can barely manage to charge it's using so much power
[23:39] <mhall119> but it's fine after a reboot


[03:57] <pitti> Good morning
[07:04] <DanChapman> Good Morning :-)
[07:06] <elfy> hi DanChapman
[07:07] <DanChapman> Morning elfy.
[07:55] <smartboyhw> Guys, please help to test Alpha 1! It is available at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/297/builds
[07:55] <smartboyhw> Kubuntu and UbuntuKylin images haven't appeared yet it seems, but no worries.
[07:56] <DanChapman> smartboyhw, I will do some tests this afternoon
[07:56] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, great:)
[08:40] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, on the topic of alpha 1. i really hope someone will finally fix bug 1066223
[08:56] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, duh
[08:56] <Noskcaj> you have connections in kubuntu, make it happen ;)
[08:56] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I am doing it now:P
[08:57] <Noskcaj> on a more serious topic. Could you confirm bug 1152306
[09:00] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, on a serious topic: I never tested Lubuntu. This release I have Kylin and Kubuntu to care about, and I need to make slides for my classroom session.
[09:01] <Noskcaj> ok. Test everything that your PC will run. I can only test xubuntu and lubuntu until i get my Huge PC going
[09:01] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, for alphas, use VMs.
[09:01] <smartboyhw> For betas, real machines...
[09:01] <Noskcaj> i do
[09:02] <Noskcaj> i only use VMs
[09:03] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, ok (same as me)
[09:03]  * Noskcaj wishes someone would sponsor him. We all have dreams...
[09:05] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, Once the alpha releases we really need to get kirkland and roaxsoax
[09:05] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I agree.
[09:05] <smartboyhw> They just don't seem to BE here.
[09:05] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I think the problem is that us and them are at completely different timezones.
[09:07] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, I've got school holidays after friday so hopefully something can happen in the next two weeks
[09:07] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, damn you got holidays much earlier than me.
[09:08] <Noskcaj> I get 10 weeks school 2 weeks holidays for most of the year, the a 8 week holiday after Christmas
[09:09] <DanChapman> School..... such a distant memory :-)
[09:11] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, be less old ;)
[09:13] <DanChapman> Noskaj, well to be fair I only left 10 years ago... Just when you look back you wonder where time went.
[09:13] <Noskcaj> ok.
[09:13] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, a tip for you: If you press "Tab" it autocompletes the nickname, the you don't call me noskaj
[09:14] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, so it does!!!
[09:15] <DanChapman> :-)
[09:15] <Noskcaj> That really needs to be in the topic of the channel. it makes everything so much easier
[09:16] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I will tell balloons later:)
[09:16] <Noskcaj> lol
[09:16] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I am actually not doing Alpha 1 testing, I'm doing Ubuntu Desktop daily build testing (for the classroom session:P)
[09:17] <smartboyhw> I take screenshots, put it into slides!
[09:17] <Noskcaj> i think the reason i found out was i kept writing ballons or baloons
[09:17] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, LOL
[09:17] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, please add screenshots to the testdrive wiki page too. i cannot and no-one else will
[09:17] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, why you cannot? I'm using Virtualbox here actually...
[09:18] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, my laptop is too slow to run a VM, my hiapad is broken, my little brothers won't let me use their PCs and my two mods are missing power supplies
[09:18] <Noskcaj> happy?
[09:19] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, :O
[09:20] <smartboyhw> Maybe SergioMeneses can do that for me...
[09:20] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, use your laptop for Lubuntu low-RAM testing:P
[09:21] <Noskcaj> it has all my other stuff though. I'll be using my new PPC PC for that.
[09:21] <Noskcaj> and maybe my other ancient PCs (I have a 1988 compaq laptop somewhere)
[09:22]  * smartboyhw hates ppc
[09:22] <smartboyhw> :P
[09:23] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, It's strange, but it's something that has to be done. And i want to mod
[09:24] <smartboyhw> I don't really understand why should we make PowerPC images.
[09:24] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, The insane number of old macs that would otherwise miss it. Some of the ARMEL stuff is even more pointless
[09:25] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, ARMEL is killed already.
[09:25]  * Noskcaj checks
[09:25] <smartboyhw> And I really don't see that there are a large number of old macs.
[09:25] <Noskcaj> oops, i really need to check the iso tracker more
[09:27] <Noskcaj> They exist and lubuntu is the only thing they will run. I do wonder why kubuntu and ubuntu have PPC images though. really it should just be lubuntu and netboot
[09:28] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, well Kubuntu principles are: If anyone tests it, we release it. And since the Lubuntu PPC testers have time to test it, we release it.
[09:28] <smartboyhw> Same thing for Ubuntu.
[09:28] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, yeah sure they exist, but they are too old.
[09:31] <Noskcaj> Do you  think we could make a windows and a mac version of testdrive?
[09:31] <Noskcaj> Once everything gets fixed
[09:35] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, no. It would increase maintainance time.
[09:45] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, DanChapman where's the wiki page to put down everyone's hardware profile again?
[09:47] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, this what your looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/U+1/iso-testing-qa#Step_2:_Hardware_Profile
[09:47] <Noskcaj> phillw made a better one, i forget where
[09:48] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, I think i have a link in my email somewhere i'll just have a search
[09:50] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, I have a link to the lubuntu one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC%26Mac64/HardWare
[09:52] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, Noskcaj https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware
[09:52] <smartboyhw> here
[09:53] <DanChapman> smartboyhw, you beat me to it. I'd just found it :-)
[09:53] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
[10:11] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, can you review http://people.ubuntu.com/~smartboyhw/Ubuntu_ISO_TESTING_CLASSROOM_2_2ND.pdf ?
[10:12] <DanChapman> yeah sure
[10:13] <smartboyhw> Now, really some testing.
[10:20] <DanChapman> smartboyhw, looks good and easy to understand, just slide 19 & 20 are the same.
[10:20] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, damn:P
[10:20] <DanChapman> hehe
[10:53] <DanChapman> xnox, Hey :-) what would you say is a fair amount of time to ask autopilot to wait for partition creation etc after @install Now' has been clicked. I'm trying to lose the sleep(20) as it failed on me this morning :-(
[10:55] <xnox> DanChapman: it should be instant/no-delay, in practice there is a delay. Can you wait, as long as the cursor is busy?
[11:00] <DanChapman> xnox, hmmm... i'll look into that. What I was thinking is a little method that checks every 0.5 secs for the next page to become visible. But this length of time varies across machines. So i wanted to put a limit on how long to keep checking, before I could safely say somethings gone wrong and let autopilot throw an exception
[11:02] <xnox> DanChapman: if something does go wrong a popup dialog shows up "Paritioning failed"
[11:02] <xnox> or "Installer failed"
[11:02] <xnox> at which point the cursor changes from busy, back to normal.
[11:03] <xnox> on a slow machine with resizing it can literarly be forever. Average install time on a slow arm panda is approximately 35minutes.
[11:08] <DanChapman> xnox, wow thats slow!!  ok well I will try and find out if I can get the properties of the cursor. If not then I will let the check run every 0.5 secs with no limit but also check that the error dialogs have not popped up and handle it that way.
[11:17] <smartboyhw> balloons, I strongly advise you to change the topic to arise people's attention on Alpha 1 testing/.
[11:18] <smartboyhw> And also, Noskcaj's suggestion on putting auto-filling:)
[14:15] <balloons> DanChapman, so I had trouble getting your ubiquity branch to work again yesterday so I could post about it :-(
[14:16] <DanChapman> balloons what was it doing?
[14:16] <balloons> not letting me run it, hehe.. let me try again since your here :-)
[14:16] <DanChapman> ahhh did you install python-xlib?
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Hey balloons
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Heard my suggestions?
[14:17] <DanChapman> its in the README
[14:18] <balloons> smartboyhw, sure thing.. I'll add alpha 1
[14:18] <balloons> DanChapman, yes.. ubiquity and python-xlib are installed
[14:18] <balloons> one thing is I needed xnox's ubiquity branch it seemed.. maybe that's where I went wrong
[14:21] <DanChapman> balloons, You needed the whole branch?... all it needs is the wrapper and ubiquity file copying to the right place and it should run.
[14:21] <balloons> DanChapman, well I mean I had the whole branch, but yes I copied the wrapper over
[14:21] <balloons> ahh right.. ubiquity: error: no such option: --autopilot
[14:22] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:22] <balloons> i followed everything in the README, then ran ./run_ubiquity
[14:22] <balloons> I feel ike I didn't copy the right pieces over
[14:22] <balloons> maybe I undid something
[14:22] <DanChapman> 2 secs i'm just gonna pull it again and test
[14:24] <balloons> DanChapman, thanks.. I've got both branches.. I'd like to just undo what I did then do it exactly as you say
[14:25] <balloons> then we could probably update the README a little
[14:25] <balloons> unless perhaps I wasnt' supposed to have ubiquity itself installed.. I think I just ran it from the branch last time
[14:25] <balloons> that's the difference I think
[14:26] <xnox> balloons: if you run that autopackage test on your installed machine, it will wipe your hard drive.
[14:26] <xnox> balloons: running from live cd, has ubiquity already installed.
[14:27] <xnox> balloons: but there are files to copy over, as ubiquity as released doesn't have --autopilot option at the moment.
[14:29] <balloons> xnox,  right.. I'm trying to remember how I did it last time.. Anyways, so I have the ubiquity branch.. Should I run everything in a livecd and just grab those two files from head?
[14:29] <DanChapman> balloons the two files are in the bin folder of my branch
[14:30] <xnox> balloons: just those two files should be enough, copy them over in the right places from live cd live session, then install autopilot & friends, and start the tests from the DanChapman's branch.
[14:30] <balloons> DanChapman, ohh they are in your folder? I looked and looked.. anyways, ok I'll try it that way this time
[14:44] <smartboyhw> balloons, ah. I forgotten to ask you : Can you have a readthrough of http://people.ubuntu.com/~smartboyhw/Ubuntu_ISO_Testing_CLASSROOM.pdf ?
[14:44] <balloons> smartboyhw, sure thing
[14:47]  * balloons iso is still syncing.. I accidentily deleted it
[14:49] <smartboyhw> balloons, ...........
[14:49] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:50] <balloons> smartboyhw, that looks really well done
[14:50] <balloons> seriously, good job
[14:50] <smartboyhw> balloons, :)
[14:51] <balloons> lots of pictures and detail, but it's not so overbearing as to not be useful
[14:52] <balloons> ping pitti jibel
[14:52] <pitti> hey balloons
[14:53] <balloons> So, I was wondering about the idea of having an autopkg test for the ubuntusdk. I've heard it's broken other packages during upgrades, etc, etc
[14:53] <jibel> balloons, pong
[14:54] <balloons> jibel, same question as pitti :-) I thought I would get both your opinions
[15:00] <balloons> so is an autopkg test possible for the package to prevent this? I don't have a lot of specific details on what happened, I just thought I would ask. 1) Is it possible (should be :-0 ) 2) Have you worked on it or thought it about it in the past
[15:00] <pitti> balloons: you mean updates of ubuntusdk broke other packages?
[15:00] <pitti> balloons: that's rather a case for adding autopkgtests to these other packages, isn't it?
[15:01] <pitti> balloons: independently of this, of course adding a test to usdk itself is prudent as well, as we also want to keep that working
[15:01] <pitti> balloons: and e. g. prevent a new qt from landing until that's resolved
[15:01] <balloons> afaik, ubuntusdk itself failed to install or broke things.. or itself didn't work properly after installation.. it's not been smooth
[15:01] <pitti> ah; in that case it would help, yes
[15:01] <balloons> pitti, exactly.. so probably autopkg tests for those high threat dependencies too that could break it
[15:04] <balloons> if this also sounds good, let me circle back with Michael and the sdk team.. generically is there room in the schedule for you  to write a few of these?
[15:06] <pitti> ideally we could run the upstream test suite against the installed version (that's a task for upstream); if/once that's possible, I can add an autopkgtest, yes
[15:10] <smartboyhw> balloons, I did NOT expect having to correct your grammar of the interview so much (it's going out soon)
[15:11] <balloons> I can get some specifics and provide the details to you pitti .. there is some upstream tests ty!
[15:11] <balloons> smartboyhw, ohh really? Sorry for the poor grammar ;-(
[15:11] <smartboyhw> balloons, and one of your pictures is TOO big.
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Exceeding 2 MB.
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Hey philballew
[15:11] <smartboyhw> ops
[15:11] <balloons> ahh.. that's a simple resize down
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Hey phillw
[15:11] <phillw> hi smartboyhw
[15:12] <smartboyhw> balloons, please resize it down:)
[15:13] <balloons> you need me to resize it? you can just scale it right?
[15:13] <smartboyhw> balloons, I just thought of it..
[15:13] <smartboyhw> !screenshot
[15:13] <smartboyhw> Getting the imagebin link:P
[15:15] <smartboyhw> Even imagebin is too big.
[15:15] <smartboyhw> balloons, you have to resize it. I don't know how to scale it.
[15:15] <balloons> smartboyhw, do you have the image?
[15:16] <smartboyhw> balloons, I will send it to you.
[15:16] <balloons> use gimp to resize it
[15:17] <balloons> I mean I have the image, I can certainly size it and resend, but lol.. just open it in gimp and scale it down
[15:18] <smartboyhw> balloons, sent.
[15:18] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:18]  * smartboyhw plays with balloons ...
[15:26] <balloons> sending back
[15:26] <balloons> you should learn to use gimp :-)
[15:26] <smartboyhw> balloons, LOL
[15:27] <smartboyhw> Thanks:)
[15:27] <balloons> well once it's up I'll promote it again.. anyways, how many interviews did you get in total?
[15:28] <balloons> or would you like to leave it as a surprise? :-)
[15:29] <smartboyhw> balloons, actually after you... I haven't done any yet, shall do it next week:P
[15:29] <smartboyhw> I did send out invitations but not yet the questions.
[15:39] <balloons> my vm hates installing autopilot
[15:39] <smartboyhw> balloons, LOL
[15:45] <balloons> seriously
[15:45] <balloons> the latest iso installing python-autopilot locks up the box
[15:45] <smartboyhw> :O
[15:48] <balloons> that is SO wild
[15:53] <DanChapman> balloons, are you using virtualbox?
[15:53] <balloons> DanChapman, indeed.. Sorry I was caught up in a meeting so it was slow going
[15:53] <balloons> but vbox, latest iso, boom!
[15:53] <balloons> trying raring right now
[15:54] <balloons> the issue with that is autopilot doesn't work
[15:55] <DanChapman> Yeah ive had the same problem all week. I tried KVM wasn't much better. Ended up using vmware player which runs like a dream :-)
[15:56] <balloons> DanChapman, ahh ok.. I'll try that.. for you :-)
[15:57] <balloons> raring won't work because autopilot doesn't work on it
[15:58] <DanChapman> balloons, thanks :-) oh really... I used the test to install saucy on my box yesterday. I put an ssd in and thought ooo.... lets use the test :-)
[16:06]  * balloons fires up vmware vm
[16:13] <balloons> DanChapman, that was weird.. so I had to tell it to make a blank vm
[16:13] <balloons> it autoinstalls otherwise :-)
[16:14] <balloons> kqemu is supposed to be getting 3d acceleration this summer, which should help
[16:14] <balloons> I noticed this flies in comparision to vbox
[16:17] <jibel> balloons, sorry was OTP. Tests for ubuntu sdk should be run as part of the autolanding, this way broken packages doesn't even go into the release
[16:17] <balloons> jibel, ty.. pitti said you would be able to help.. I said I would followup with the ubuntusdk team and see what can be run during autolanding
[16:22] <balloons> DanChapman, ok close now.. almost finished with setting everything up
[16:23] <DanChapman> balloons, yeah you have to create a blank and attach iso. Yeah i was suprised how well vmware ran.
[16:27] <balloons> ok xlib is installed
[16:28] <balloons> woo.. looks like it's running :-)
[16:30] <DanChapman> balloons, :-)
[16:34] <balloons> beautiful
[16:35] <balloons> yea, this is my cooler than the last demo I ran, hah!
[16:36] <balloons> *much cooler
[16:36] <balloons> anyways, time to post :-)
[16:36] <DanChapman> balloons, :-)
[16:37] <DanChapman> balloons, just got to finish off my TODO list on it then i will propose a merge
[16:40] <balloons> ohh this is cool
[17:02] <balloons> DanChapman, https://plus.google.com/108452779163647535106/posts/bW8eThaTZqF
[17:11] <Skini151> Hi, who want to help me?
[17:34] <knome> Skini151, why not ask your question and see if somebody is able to help you?
[17:36] <Skini151> ok
[17:40] <Skini151> Today i tested "saucy" iso image and after i suspend ubuntu i see only black screen ( tested on both KVM and VirtualBox ,results are same ), and i don't know how to report this type of bug /// i tested and ubuntu "precise" iso image and it works fine . Help please!!
[17:42] <DanChapman> balloons, love the slideshow :-)
[17:44] <balloons> Skini151, what exactly is happening?
[17:44] <balloons> it's not coming back from suspend I take it?
[17:44] <Skini151> yes
[17:44] <balloons> but only in a vm?
[17:45] <Skini151> i don't test it on  real machine
[17:45] <Skini151> only VM
[17:46] <Skini151> but in precise daily image it worked
[17:47] <Skini151> on VM
[17:47] <balloons> gotcha Skini151
[17:48] <balloons> so you boot into the installed system and use ubuntu-bug to file
[17:48] <Skini151> i boot into installed system but don't use ubuntu-bug
[17:49] <Skini151> i don't know where problem is
[17:49] <Skini151> what package is responsible for suspend option
[17:49] <Skini151> ?
[17:51] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/47420/buginstructions
[17:51] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage
[17:52] <balloons> Skini151, specifically, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#Suspend.2C_Hibernate.2C_and_Resume :-)
[17:52] <balloons> does that help?
[17:52] <balloons> that page is a great way to bookmark
[17:52] <elfy> great one even :p
[17:52] <Skini151> thanks
[17:52] <balloons> wow my brain today
[17:52] <Skini151> i'll do my best
[17:52] <balloons> thanks!
[17:53] <balloons> and good find :-)
[17:53] <balloons> you can mention precise still works
[17:53] <balloons> back in a bit
[17:53] <elfy> that is a good page though
[19:42] <hggdh> Skini151 went to #ubuntu-bugs to ask about the same thing. I asked him to also install SSH.
[19:57] <thomi> balloons: can we have a quick hangout call in about an hour to sort out this autopilot raring issue?
[19:57] <balloons> thomi, howdy.. that sounds found. I saw the working group call yesterday but I had a conflict.. did you set that up?
[19:57] <balloons> *found=fine
[19:58] <thomi> balloons: that call happens every week. I had a conflict yesterday as well :-/
[20:14] <Noskcaj> has lubuntu alternate frozen or aren't we rebuilding as much in alpha1 now
[20:47] <phillw> Noskcaj: all the bugs have been desktop :P
[20:48] <Noskcaj> except two PPC ones that can never be fixed
[20:48] <phillw> indeed.
[20:48] <phillw> two different graphics cards... ne'er the twian shall meet :/
[20:50] <phillw> If I win the lottery of about $40,000,000 I'll give a $1,000,000 reward to the person who does... So, you can how likely that is to happen :(
[20:50] <phillw> *you can see*
[20:51] <Noskcaj> yep
[20:51] <phillw> Time to put my money where my mouth is for the alternates.... Just starting the AMD64 one.
[20:55] <balloons> thomi, I've got a moment now, you set?
[20:56] <phillw> Noskcaj: have you tried a side by side install? I have a bug reported from desktop where partman is no longer showing the sizes of the partions
[20:57] <Noskcaj> phillw, i can't until my mega PC build is finished. i can only run VMs till then. Once i finish that build i will be the greatest ISO tester in history
[20:57] <Noskcaj> ;)
[20:58] <phillw> you can do side by side in a VM :) (well, you can with KVM, no idea if VBox can )
[21:00] <balloons> Noskcaj, :-) how's it coming along anyway?
[21:00] <Noskcaj> phillw, Ain't nobody got time fo dat
[21:00] <Noskcaj> balloons, slowly. All the mod parts will be here when i get back from brisbane.
[21:00] <phillw> I'll make sure to mention to mention it on my KVM session (and get Jonathan to check VBox)
[21:01] <Noskcaj> phillw, i've got a script for my session, would you mind going over it?
[21:02] <phillw> send it, but I'm pretty tied up until Thursday evening when the A1's go out (UTC time, of course)
[21:02] <thomi> balloons: on a call, 10 minutes?
[21:02] <Noskcaj> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L_RK3QPvaNykRpktBmSRUpECP4sNSvG4CspZ_mTICUE/edit
[21:02] <phillw> Noskcaj: as an email? :D
[21:03] <Noskcaj> oops. can you just copy the link to somewhere?
[21:03] <balloons> thomi, ay aye capt'n
[21:04] <phillw> Noskcaj: you REALLY do not want to see my desktop... I have to delete / move stuff everytime I add something new :D
[21:04] <Noskcaj> phillw, ok, i'll email it.
[21:06] <phillw> 39 folders... that's pretty good for me :) the remaining 73 icons are files I use
[21:10] <thomi> balloons: how about now?
[21:13] <balloons> yep, all set


[01:35] <ahoneybun> soee: still kicking?
[01:36] <ahoneybun> I think System Shock is going to have a Linux version
[01:36] <ahoneybun> maybe
[01:36] <ahoneybun> since I somehow got it to show up in my steam library
[01:36] <ahoneybun> under SteamOS+Linux
[01:37] <yofel> SS2 says SteamOS in the shop
[01:39] <yofel> hm, after watching the intro I totally think "Half Life"..
[01:39] <ahoneybun> not that one
[01:39] <ahoneybun> the reboot on Kickstarter
[01:40] <ahoneybun> http://store.steampowered.com/app/482400
[01:41] <yofel> aah
[01:43] <claydoh> ss2 is awesome, slightly pre-dates HL iirc, ss2 was abondonware for some time . I think the original Systrem shock 1 is the one being remade
[01:44] <claydoh> I never did get that to run in Wine, so i never played it but ss2 I did get running
[01:44] <claydoh> back in the day
[01:45] <claydoh> the steamos version is using an emebedded wine setup
[05:24] <soee> hiho
[05:27] <valorie> are you coming to Qtcon/Akademy, soee?
[05:56] <soee> valorie: nope
[05:56] <valorie> boo
[05:57] <valorie> I look forward to meeting you one of these days
[05:57] <valorie> if not this year
[05:58] <soee> i hope so :D some day
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
 Hiho
[15:39] <jimarvan> helloz
[18:22] <clivejo> oh dear
[18:22] <clivejo> lot of red coimg from KCI
[19:56] <blaze> did someone tested kde service menus with plasma5?
[19:57] <blaze> i never managed to get those working
[20:13] <valorie> blaze: kde service menus?
[20:13] <valorie> not sure what you mean
[20:13] <blaze> plasma service menus whatever
[20:16] <valorie> but what service menus?
[20:16] <valorie> all the menus work that I've tried
[20:17] <blaze> valorie: i better give you a link https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Creating_Konqueror_Service_Menus
[20:18] <blaze> they can be provided by dolphin extensions as well
[20:19] <valorie> I think I see the problem - that page was written for kde4
[20:20] <valorie> in plasma 5, the old ~/.kde/share etc have been moved to either ~/.local or /.config
[20:20] <valorie> I would consult with the devels in #plasma to see what changes need to be made there
[20:20] <blaze> yea, i know
[20:21] <valorie> like even the basic "$KDEHOME defaults to ~/.kde when it isn't set or defined." isn't right anymore
[20:22] <valorie> since that is a very cool thing one used to be able to do as a user, it would be most cool if you could figure out how to make that happen again in Plasma 5, blaze
[20:23] <valorie> I'll bet it is just some adjustment in both the doc and where stuff is written to
[20:31] <valorie> good lord that page still references DCOP!
[20:32] <valorie> that is KDE3 days
[20:41] <mparillo> Maybe write the doc first, the test cases second, and the code last? Only problem with that is it is less fun.
[20:43] <valorie> I'm willing to help with the doc
[20:44] <valorie> but need the proper information, which means the right code snippets
[20:47] <mparillo> I know you have volunteered many times before. I was just musing about the typical open source development process.
[20:50] <valorie> well my process is to find a problem and start poking people who might help fix it
[20:50] <valorie> how about you, mparillo?
[20:50] <valorie> lol
[20:53] <mparillo> I have updated some of the KDE docs on the wiki, but only where I have a clue. That would be way too hard for me.
[21:04] <valorie> I try to do that when ever I can, too
[21:05] <valorie> or learn, so I can do it, which is what got me started on the amarok docs in the first place
[21:23] <jimarvan> BluesKaj has problems with conn?
[22:54] <clivejo> yofel: can you give me a shout sometime you are free regarding getting this script to work
[23:25] <clivejo> looks like we need to rebuild ark with new respun tarballs


[20:34] <drkokandy> i want to stab my quasselcore
[20:54] <Unit193> Hah, I thought you were on ZNC.  Why's that?
[20:58] <dzho> all software sucks
[22:26] <drkokandy> i'm on both
[22:26] <drkokandy> lol
[22:28] <drkokandy> I have Quassel core running in a docker container, and I couldn't access the container. I tried restarting the container, then destroyingg & rebuilding the container, then restarting docker, and finally restarting the host system, finally the last step made it work
[22:34] <Unit193> Sounds like fun!  I tried Quassel for a little, not as something to switch to but to get a feel for it.  Not the best client, but once you add the client/core aspect it certainly gets a few points.  I actually have ZNC setup, but again not for me, for someone else.  I've never actually used ZNC though, I'm quite happy with Irssi.
[22:40] <drkokandy> I tried Wechat, irssi, and ZNC each alone but in the end I missed some of the Quassel features so I decided to go back to what I had back then, except in a container
[22:42] <Unit193> Scripts, aliases, it being a terminal application, etc are selling points.  I'd hate to be an op with Quassel. :3


[00:29] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~/review/lxd-0.5$ cat debian/compat
[00:29] <infinity> 7
[00:29] <infinity> 9
[00:29] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~/review/lxd-0.5$
[00:29] <infinity> stgraber: ^-- So, uh, which one is it?
[00:30] <infinity> stgraber: (pls fix, the syntax error there confuses the crap out of pkg-create-dbgsym's toddler-level parser)
[00:31] <stgraber> oh wow, how did that happen
[00:32] <infinity> stgraber: My bet is it was 7, lintian whined "build-dep on 9, but compat is 7" and the fix was "echo 9 >> debian/compat" instead of "echo 9 > debian/compat".
[00:32] <infinity> stgraber: But that's just a guess.
[00:32] <stgraber> seems probable. Though it's odd nothing blew up before, git tells me it's been like that ever since the first lxd upload :)
[00:33] <infinity> stgraber: I only noticed it in passing cause I was watching a build.
[00:33] <infinity> stgraber: And it really, really confuses pkg-create-dbgsym. :)
[00:33] <infinity> stgraber: Oddly, it doesn't seem to upset debhelper itself at all.
[00:34] <stgraber> alright, fix uploaded, thanks for catching :)
[00:34] <stgraber> also:
[00:34] <stgraber> stgraber@dakara:~/data/code/lxc$ lintian -iI --pedantic lxd_0.5-0ubuntu3.dsc
[00:34] <stgraber> stgraber@dakara:~/data/code/lxc$
[00:34] <stgraber> lintian doesn't appear to have a very good debian/compat check :)
[11:48] <kickinz1> doko: I've updated bug 1430760, with the modifications requested.
[15:30] <rbasak> infinity: fancy taking another look at the Docker FFe please? Bug 1430760. Haven't heard from doko, but kickinz1 added the two changes suggested by him.
[15:30] <rbasak> We still aren't expecting things to work on arm64, but I'm told that even though it built before, it never worked.
[15:36] <infinity> rbasak: I can't see why one wouldn't expect it to work, to be honest, unless the libgo runtime is fundamentally broken on that platform.
[15:37] <infinity> rbasak: I assume the debdiff in the bug is against sid?
[15:38] <rbasak> infinity: it's against experimental
[15:39] <rbasak> kickinz1: ^^ that's accurate, right?
[15:40] <rbasak> The last change will make it attempt arm64 against gccgo now I think, so that might help.
[15:40] <infinity> Err, yes.  I meant "against Debian" :)
[15:42] <infinity> Apparently against a version that isn't in Debian anymore.  Whee, hunting in snapshot commences.
[15:43] <infinity> rbasak: The 1.6.0~rc4 upload has "- enable "docker.service" on boot by default for restart policies to work" ... Do we want to cherrypick that?
[15:44] <infinity> kickinz1: ^
[15:46] <rbasak> jamespage: ^^ any comment please?
[15:49] <kickinz1> infinity, I would say yes,
[18:10] <jamespage> rbasak, what was the question?
[19:57] <rbasak> jamespage: do we want to cherry-pick "- enable "docker.service" on  boot by default for restart policies to work"
[19:57] <rbasak> from 1.6.0~rc4?


[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[23:06] <tiagoscd> hi
[23:07] <tiagoscd> can anyone tell me when gonna be the next meeting of membership board?
[23:18] <pleia2> tiagoscd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards has the schedule, so the next one should be on wednesday at 12:00 UTC :)
[23:19] <pleia2> "4th Wednesday of the month: 12:00 UTC"
[23:19] <tiagoscd> pleia2: ok, thanks a lot
[23:19] <pleia2> you're welcome
[23:20] <tiagoscd> :-)


[06:09] <MartijnVdS> Anyone on Saucy that can confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/1200846
[06:09] <MartijnVdS> popey: ^?
[06:47] <DVRR> hiii
[06:51] <DVRR> i have  problem in  samba server  could you  help  me
[06:54] <MartijnVdS> DVRR: can you explain the problem?
[06:57] <DVRR> automatically  remove  files & folders  in my samba  share folder    i given  permissions  ()
[06:57] <DVRR> read & write
[06:58] <DVRR> some one deleted or   it's remove  automatically
[06:58] <MartijnVdS> DVRR: I don't understand what you're saying
[06:58] <DVRR> i can't  understand
[06:58] <MartijnVdS> do you want to automatically remove folders
[06:58] <MartijnVdS> or does samba already automatically remove folders, and you want to disable it?
[06:58] <MartijnVdS> or are the permissions on newly created empty folders wrong?
[07:00] <DVRR> fast  four  days  file  remove  automatically
[07:00] <MartijnVdS> DVRR: what's your native language?
[07:00] <DVRR> today  copy  some files  tommory  not  showing
[07:01] <DVRR> i am an indian
[07:01] <MartijnVdS> DVRR: have you tried asking in #ubuntu-in?
[07:01] <DVRR> sorry  could you  help me
[07:02] <MartijnVdS> I'm trying to, but I don't understand what you're trying to ask
[07:04] <DVRR> i have  samba server  and i have  given sharing   one  folder
[07:04] <DVRR> ok
[07:04] <MartijnVdS> DVRR: ok..
[07:10] <DVRR> that  share folder  access  20 members users   ( read and write)   Example-: yesterday  i  copied  some  files   in  share folder  but  today  not  avaliable
[08:10] <popey> MartijnVdS: will try to reproduce
[08:44] <redtape|renegade> OT | Time to sell up to 100 of those tech components that I've tried to Frankenstein into a desktop this weekend as a project :::  http://mail.ebay.co.uk/r/mail/19e3f6II3c85c5II14fa5478a06II4 :::
[09:04] <ali1234> i think that's a link to your private ebay inbox
[09:05] <redtape|renegade> ali1234: Realy .. it doesn't say a message ?
[09:05] <ali1234> no it just redirects to the main home page
[09:05] <ali1234> oh wait no
[09:05] <redtape|renegade> oh .. with grumbles .. I'll retry ..
[09:05] <ali1234> it's just no listing fee time?
[09:09] <redtape|renegade> Yeps .. Up to one hundred items :: http://bit.ly/13WN0PH :
[09:11] <redtape|renegade> theres usually a fall out with a lot of listing under the bracket 'no reserve' at intervals of 1 day, 3 days , 5 days , 7 days .. from this weekend .. I bookmark the search 'no reserve' in my browser toolbar to catch them.
[09:16] <ali1234> that's a really good tip
[09:23] <redtape|renegade> ali1234: then .. there is a list of 'saved sellers' like this guy .. that I get weekly updates from  .. \o/ support the little guy ! ::   http://bit.ly/15pSIGG ::  This gives the *actual price of 2nd hand goods* from the likes of cash-converters or their counterparts. But seriusly; hoarding is a sign of poor men.health .. so set your limits.
[09:34] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:43] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[09:47] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: We (The IoMan) should be on Dutch TV sometime soon .. :: http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/dutch-tv-crew-films-horse-trams-1-5838262 ::
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: that program is usually recorded way in advance :)
[10:02]  * redtape|renegade is amazed that people are cashing-in on the poor sprogg before it's even born .. redtape feels for Katië .. :: http://etsy.me/12L30iy  ::
[10:07] <escaper_> Hi, anybode here ?
[10:07] <redtape|renegade> y6epsie ..
[10:08] <escaper_> how to delete something from /opt directory ?
[10:08] <escaper_> I want to remove non-empty direcotry
[10:09] <redtape|renegade> 1/5get inn the directorty but right click > paste into terminal using 'cd' in front ..
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> escaper_: how did it get there?
[10:09] <redtape|renegade> 2/5 type pwd
[10:10] <redtape|renegade> 3/5 type ls
[10:10] <escaper_> I put it in there with cp commad
[10:10] <escaper_> command*
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> escaper_: exact command please :)
[10:10] <redtape|renegade> 4/4 rm ,<name +tab 4 short>
[10:10] <escaper_> just cp folder /opt
[10:11] <redtape|renegade> 5/5 type ls to check.
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> escaper_: then cd /opt; ls; rm -r foldername (from ls output); ls
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> as redtape|renegade said :)
[10:11] <escaper_> I'll try
[10:12] <escaper_> great, works!
[10:12] <escaper_> Thank you very much! :D
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> escaper_: "rm" = "remove", "-r" = "recursively"
[10:12]  * redtape|renegade takes bitcoin high-fives.
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> escaper_: (so, everything in the directory first, then the directory itself)
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> escaper_: if the directory was empty, "rmdir" would also have worked (remove directory)
[10:12] <ali1234> cp won't copy a directory without an extra argument
[10:12] <ali1234> rm won't delete a directory without an extra argument
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: true
[10:13] <ali1234> the extra argument is in fact the same in both cases :)
[10:13] <escaper_> I followed one instruction on the web taht was obviouslly wrong
[10:13] <escaper_> :D
[10:13] <escaper_> thank you guys,
[10:13] <redtape|renegade>   Aaaaand he's over with it.
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: almost as if someone designed it that way
[10:15] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: well actually i think in the original design cp used -R and rm used -r and then -r was added as a synonym to cp by someone who wasn't completely crazy
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: that almost explains how git works as well
[10:16] <ali1234> it does?
[10:16] <ali1234> git does a lot of things... which particular thing do you mean?
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: all kinds of conflicting but similar options for similar operations
[10:20] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: Conflict (?) Martijn  I added some tracks to my Chillout pl/list if you want to add them to your "Chillax" channel :) :: http://open.spotify.com/user/user1nadine/playlist/4PJsL5GGokQ3BBRuH1Pko7 ::
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: let me check
[10:23]  * redtape|renegade supposes it's Turtle Soup today .. #90-ish down the list
[10:25]  * MartijnVdS listens to the new Demoscene Time Machine EP
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: http://music.demoscenetimemachine.com/
[10:26]  * penguin42 roasts
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: *dark* roasts?
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: http://www.vandestreek-bier.nl/en/our-beer/ ;)
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> uh
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: ^
[10:28] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: The music WebLink beats : http://relay3.slayradio.org:8100/ : On VLC **anyday**  .. highFive. o/
[10:30] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I think breakfast should be first :-)
[10:30] <brobostigon> interesting app for android, swapps, a definatly interesting launcher.
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: it's quite a heavy beer ;)
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: also, contains coffee, so it'll wake you up
[10:33] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: Both WebLinks you gave aren't able to be bought (for the IoMan) either cos it's not setup or *dropdown list* disorder (-Miss-IsleofMan syndrome)  .. but I'll bookmark them so a Dutch friend can [post when I hassle him :S
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: please send them an email (on the contact page) describing the problem :)
[10:41] <redtape|renegade> Will do .. I'll send a pack to the Seattle  too .. C.Pirillo required a lot of caffeinated beer in fall-season last year.
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: cool :) if you tell them that, they might throw in extra promotional materials
[10:49] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: redtape still pines for  Maaza softdrinks from Holland   ::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maaza ::: .. but doesn't know of an online-store or someone near Bodegraven :: http://bit.ly/18cJ0dr ::
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: I just passed their warehouse in Bodegraven on my way home
[10:51] <redtape|renegade> Is it worth shopping with you, then :D
[10:51] <redtape|renegade>                      ^ ??
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> I don't know the stuff
[10:53] <redtape|renegade> There was a guy on ebay .. who sold me a rabbit bios tinkpad from Hollande .. but he's dropped off the net , of late.
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Maaza-Mango-Juice-250ml/dp/B009OAOWI8
[10:55] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: Good try .. but it's the fizzy pop pineapple/mango I'm after .. I need the effervescence.
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: I don't think Maaza has fizzy bits
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: do you mean http://www.enjoymaaza.com//products/?taste=6 ?
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: or http://www.enjoymaaza.com//products/?taste=5
[11:01] <redtape|renegade> redtape|renegade: slaps MartijnVdS for showing him his continental -elixia & not giving a stall to buy from .. and zooms in on S.France while he reaches for his Ccard :: http://www.elixia.fr/en/limonade.php?limonade=classique ::
[11:23]  * redtape|renegade goes all spanglish with Champiñones Al Ajillo from Tesco Tapas [seventy-four% off, of-course] :: ¡ and wonders where "Concha García "  is from ?¡ :: http://bit.ly/11L0u0M ::
[12:20] <PaulW2U> a434vfw
[12:22] <PaulW2U> oops, sorry for the random text  ;o)
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> PaulW2U: sure that's not your password? :)
[12:23] <penguin42> it probably is, but the question is what for
[12:24] <PaulW2U> :) you'll never know
[12:27] <Myrtti> obviously it was a cat
[12:28]  * AlanBell ponders password protected cats
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: but.. but..
[12:29] <funkyHat> ⢁)
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: the internet demands publicly visible cats
[12:29] <funkyHat> Anonymous access cats
[12:34] <redtape|renegade> AlanBell: Cats can be well prepared :D  ::https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/cnCx6.jpg ::
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: but.. but..
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> cats don't NEED that.. they always land on their feet anyway
[12:35] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: He asked for a password .. I gave him one in the file name of the picture/j-peg .. that is all.
[12:42] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: Bang Bang Bang ..  Warm afternoon.
[13:13] <MartijnVdS> In July, in the UK?
[13:13] <MartijnVdS> popey: Are you sure? :)
[13:15] <popey> I KNOW!
[13:15] <popey> kids in the pool
[13:15] <popey> I was in there for half an hour earlier
[13:17] <brobostigon> wet popes.
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: "soggy popey"
[13:18] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yep.
[13:25]  * redtape|renegade throws a beach-ball in the paddling pool :: http://bit.ly/1ajpZqt ::
[14:38] <mungbean> my normally reserved 3yr old has taken to running around the house butt naked in this weather
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> around it, or around it?
[14:43] <redtape|renegade> mungbean: ignorance is bliss.... ::: http://bit.ly/1ajAIRN :::
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> !family | redtape|renegade
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> (the link says "NSFW")
[14:44] <redtape|renegade> yeah .. are you working today ?
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> no, but this channel is supposed to be family-oriented/family-friendly
[14:47] <redtape|renegade> there's hardly anyone on the net today .. I'm sorry for the link .. but it is well prepared.. as far as the alert-notification.  I also used the first word as to ignore the other page.. if you don't feel such a pre-warning is to your taste.
[14:48] <redtape|renegade> I'm completely amazed as to why ppl here talk about the semantics instead of the subjection .. like they are under a objectivity-veil, or something .. quite prevalent in europe too.
[14:50] <dwatkins> redtape|renegade: what are the multiple colons for?
[14:50] <ali1234> i didn't like the video. is that subjective enough for ya?
[14:51] <redtape|renegade> redtape refuses to answer syntax question when the subject is more important .. wjhich you could have got from the description anyhow .. I'll check the logs tonight at 8pm ..
[14:51] <redtape|renegade> leaves.
[14:52] <dwatkins> Now I'm thoroughly confused.
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> don't be
[14:54] <mgdm> as he said, 'ignorance is bliss' :-)
[14:55] <dwatkins> I won't point out that some terminals interpret the colons as being part of the URL, then ;)
[14:55] <brobostigon> i would concur, the opposite can be true, being intelligant and clever can be hell.
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> though I wonder how scary the world must be if you don't know how to learn new things quickly
[14:56] <dwatkins> things change fast in some areas, but not all
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: exactly
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: but I saw someone who was used to Windows XP try to use Windows 7 and be *completely lost*
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> it's mostly still the same!
[14:57] <dwatkins> they'd be even more lost on win8, I imagine
[14:57] <brobostigon> ok, now to read some more of MartijnVdS's blog.
[14:57] <dwatkins> part of the problem is that people learn how to use a computer by learning where to click, though - they don't understand the fundamentals
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Agreed, but even that has some logic to it
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: twisted, weird logic (2 operating systems at once, or something)
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: yes, and not knowing the fundamentals makes change scary. I think.
[15:05] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: thats interesting, well written, good job, :)
[15:35] <ali1234> no
[15:35] <ali1234> it's not scary
[15:36] <ali1234> when people get a new computer and don't know how to use it they don't get scared
[15:36] <ali1234> they just go "meh" and don't use it
[15:36] <ali1234> or they get angry
[15:36] <ali1234> this whole "change is scary" meme is just a strawman invented by people trying to push through unpopular changes
[15:37] <ali1234> and please don't give me any yoda quotes. george lucas is no philosopher
[15:38] <ali1234> "i don't know how i'm going to pay the bills next week" is scary. "i can't find bbc iplayer any more" is not.
[17:38] <ali1234> popey: the qt setup in raring is really really messed up
[17:38] <ali1234> this is kind of hampering my efforts with qml-box2d
[17:39] <penguin42> http://blog.kotowicz.net/2013/07/jealous-of-prism-use-amazon-1-button.html sounds messy
[17:53] <ali1234> specifically the problem is ubuntu-sdk has a dependency on qt5-default and build-dep qt4-x11 has a dependency on qt4-default, so these are mutually exclusive
[17:53] <ali1234> and i currently have the latter installed
[18:05] <popey> ali1234: can you file a bug and I'll point the guys at it?
[18:06] <ali1234> they probably already know about it
[18:06] <popey> i wouldnt be sure
[18:06] <ali1234> i bet qt4 source package has some hardcoded stuff that requires qt4-default to be installed
[18:06] <popey> most if not all are running saucy
[18:06] <popey> well the desktop needs qt4 for ubuntuone client
[18:06] <ali1234> so that doesn't have qt4 at all?
[18:06] <ali1234> this bug affects build-dep only
[18:07] <popey> no, i mean they're not likely to see raring specific issues
[18:07] <ali1234> ie if you want to build qt4 from source
[18:07] <ali1234> i doubt it is raring specific
[18:07] <popey> ah
[18:07] <ali1234> since literally no ubuntu developers build packages locally they probably won't care either :P
[18:07] <popey> yes, they do
[18:07] <ali1234> yeah, in a chroot
[18:07] <popey> in fact the sdk guys are most likely to
[18:07] <popey> maybe yeah
[18:08] <ali1234> i'm not building qt4 from the package, i'm building upstream
[18:08] <ali1234> looking for the webkit bug
[18:09] <ali1234> so i could use a chroot
[18:09] <ali1234> but i'd have to enter it and build manually
[18:09] <ali1234> and that's 100% undocumented "nobody ever does that" territory
[18:10] <ali1234> when i finish bisecting qtwebkit i can uninstall this
[18:10] <ali1234> !info libqtwebkit4 saucy
[18:10] <ali1234> actually i could just install that on raring and forget about it
[18:10] <ali1234> but i;m curious now
[18:11] <popey> heh
[18:12] <ali1234> it's one of those "it's fixed but we have no idea why" bugs
[18:12] <ali1234> and turns out it's not caused by ubuntu patches
[18:13] <popey> we had a lot of that during early phone development
[18:13] <popey> people were very cautious about upgrading qt
[18:13] <popey> given the whole world depends on it on the phone
[18:13] <ali1234> qtwebkit4 2.3 isn't even an official release you know
[18:13] <popey> and we had product demos to do at trade shows
[18:13] <popey> couldn't break those
[18:14] <ali1234> it's the backport of qtwebkit5
[18:14] <ali1234> but you probably know this
[19:54] <HoT|2fC^> lo all :-)
[19:56] <HoT|2fC^> I have gone and 2 Netgear Powerlines today for the Basement as the Router/ADSL Modem is in my Room (second floor) so it's Router connect to Powerline then another Ethernet cable joining to my PC from the Router.
[19:56] <HoT|2fC^> But when I try and connect via the PC I don't get any connection
[19:57] <HoT|2fC^> Would I need a switch?
[19:58] <AlanBell> HoT|2fC^: I have some of them, they work great for me
[19:58] <popey> nope, shouldn't need to
[19:58] <HoT|2fC^> AlanBell, yeah works for me but I cant use the other 3 ports on my router.
[19:58] <HoT|2fC^> It's like the Powerline has taken over it lol!
[19:59] <AlanBell> erm, that shouldn't happen
[19:59] <HoT|2fC^> AlanBell, yeah must be faulty :/
[19:59] <HoT|2fC^> all I have done with the Router is Port Forward no Static IP or anything I auto DHCP an still didnt work :\
[19:59] <AlanBell> I have two powerline bricks and a powerline hub
[19:59] <HoT|2fC^> As I set a sttic on my PC.
[20:00] <HoT|2fC^> I like the bricks is that the WD's ?
[20:00] <HoT|2fC^> Black ones :)
[20:00] <AlanBell> tp link I think, grey ones
[20:00] <HoT|2fC^> aah nice :)
[20:00] <AlanBell> http://hencam.libertus.co.uk/ is coming to you over wifi and powerline networking
[20:02] <AlanBell> you have to follow the instructions quite carefully to pair them up, then they just work like a long network cable
[20:02] <AlanBell> or possibly like a hub if you have more than just a pair
[20:02] <popey> i had to do zero to pair devolo ones
[20:02] <HoT|2fC^> I want in my basement to have the powerline pluged in, then connected to a switch then wired from the switch to my PC and maybe a access point but one going outside outdoor :) then I want IP CCTV connected to that switch
[20:02] <HoT|2fC^> :o
[20:02] <HoT|2fC^> ah ok nice :)
[20:03] <AlanBell> I used power over ethernet to get 5V out to the chickens for the camera, but the cable isn't used for data, that goes over wifi
[20:04] <ali1234> won;t the hens get worried when the camera is moving?
[20:04] <ali1234> also why didn't you use the cable for data?
[20:04] <AlanBell> they don't seem to be bothered by it
[20:05] <ali1234> you should make a chicken suit for the camera
[20:05] <AlanBell> heh
[20:05] <HoT|2fC^> lol
[20:05] <HoT|2fC^> thats awesome AlanBell :)
[20:05] <AlanBell> I didn't use the cable for data because I was planning to get the power out there a different way, and I wanted wifi that covers the garden anyway
[20:06] <HoT|2fC^> Here is my network I have put together, I know the laptop isnt wireless :) but I still connected it :D
[20:06] <HoT|2fC^> http://oi39.tinypic.com/4sfeoo.jpg
[20:06] <ali1234> even so no point wasting precious wifi bandwidth... i mean it's slow enough already
[20:06] <AlanBell> I was just going to shove 5v down the cable but it is crappy cheap aluminium out of spec chinese cable so I had to use a PoE injector to push 48v down it and regulate to 5v at the far end
[20:06] <HoT|2fC^> ali1234 cant be worse then my speed ;)
[20:07] <ali1234> i'm guessing it probably can if you;re able to maintain a connection to irc
[20:07] <mungbean> anuone used pocketmags? opinions?
[20:08] <HoT|2fC^> Can I run any switch off a powerline adaptor ?
[20:08] <AlanBell> speed is fast enough, it doesn't slow me down as I normally use the wifi hotspot at the front of the house
[20:08] <ali1234> HoT|2fC^: yes
[20:08] <HoT|2fC^> ali1234: Thanks :>
[20:08] <ali1234> HoT|2fC^: just think of them as like a magical network cable
[20:09] <HoT|2fC^> Can I connect the Router into the Switch ? once connected to the Powerline ?
[20:09] <ali1234> or rather, think of the whole system as a hub
[20:09] <AlanBell> you can in theory network stuff with the house 2 doors up the road with them
[20:09] <ali1234> eh, not really
[20:09] <AlanBell> houses are apparently on three different phases
[20:09] <ali1234> you're lucky if they work between rooms in your house
[20:10] <HoT|2fC^> depends on your house wiring :)
[20:10] <HoT|2fC^> mines all new and it pushes max speed from my basement to my room.
[20:10] <ali1234> new wiring is worse
[20:10] <HoT|2fC^> really?
[20:10] <ali1234> those things work better on spurs
[20:10] <HoT|2fC^> lol
[20:10] <AlanBell> yeah, probably stuck on range, but my point is that next door is on a different phase so won't work in theory
[20:10] <ali1234> but standard since about 1952 is rings
[20:11] <ali1234> well i didn't know that
[20:11] <ali1234> so if i wire my electric to my neighbours, it will explode?
[20:11] <AlanBell> yeah, not a good plan
[20:11] <popey> indeed
[20:11] <popey> double plus not good
[20:11] <HoT|2fC^> lol
[20:11] <AlanBell> but two doors up should be fine :)
[20:11] <popey> but wire to the neighbours 3 doors down and you're fine
[20:11] <popey> FSVO "fine"
[20:12] <ali1234> alternatively if i want 3 phase in my house all i have to do is buy three houses in a row
[20:13] <AlanBell> simples!
[20:19] <AlanBell> Bug #1172229 is nicely fixed now, that is good
[20:19] <AlanBell> and up and down work as I would expect them to do
[20:20]  * popey is going to his first OSCON
[20:22] <AlanBell> nice
[20:23] <mungbean> turning on my android tablet after 2 weeks is like turning on a windows pc
[20:23] <mungbean> have to wait 10 mins for updates, as it kills the tab;et until then
[20:23] <mungbean> notification overload
[20:23] <mungbean> of stuff you read 3 weeks ago on your phone
[20:25] <popey> i dont have my android devices set to auto update
[20:25] <mungbean> gonna disable it
[20:25] <mungbean> used to be useful
[20:26] <mungbean> this pocket mags is utter fail
[20:27] <mungbean> not loading at all
[20:27] <mungbean> site must be really slow
[20:40] <Azelphur> popey: do you have a typical "backup entire drive" rsnapshot line with a sane set of excludes I could nick?
[20:50] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[21:20] <Azelphur> Is there anything I can do to check folder sizes in a less io intensive way?
[21:22] <Azelphur> or at least, some way I can check a folder size without making my entire server grind to a halt ;)
[21:22] <Azelphur> uptime 7 just for checking how big a folder is = bad.
[21:31] <ali1234> uptime 7?
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I think he means system load
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you can ionice it
[21:33] <Azelphur> yea
[21:34] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yea I did that but I still had very high uptime
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: uptime goes up as long as you don't reboot :)
[21:34] <Azelphur> haha
[22:03] <ali1234> one more build in this bisect :)
[22:04] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[22:22] <Azelphur> are there any distros roaming about that have rebootless kernel upgrades yet?
[22:22] <Azelphur> besides oraclecrap
[22:22] <MartijnVdS> maybe one or two niche ones
[22:22] <Azelphur> lame :(
[22:22] <Azelphur> I dunno why people are slacking so much on this, Linux being so prominent in the server market and all :P
[22:22] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: rebootless kernels are *scary*
[22:23] <Azelphur> pfft
[22:23] <MartijnVdS> I mean.. the kernel data structures for sockets, file handles, etc. -- how does a rebootless kernel keep those sane?
[22:23]  * Azelphur shrugs
[22:23] <Azelphur> I don't handle stuff on that low of a level
[22:31] <ali1234> the kernel does
[22:31] <ali1234> which is why you should worry about patching it in real time
[22:34] <penguin42> yeh there is the one that does the live patching which is kind of scary, the other way is to kexec into a new kernel
[22:34] <penguin42> but kexec kills all the processes off
[22:36] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:59] <penguin42> hmm the panorama creator in the new digiKam is interesting - a bit touchy but interesting