[09:22] <doko> slangasek: now after the multiarch email, should it be safe for a rebuild test?
[12:43] <iulian> cjwatson: Could you also sync kadu 0.9.0-1, please?  bug #739335
[12:43] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 739335 in kadu (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Sync kadu 0.9.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/739335
[13:23] <cjwatson> iulian: done
[14:10] <iulian> cjwatson: Ta.
[14:59] <cjwatson> rebuilding Ubuntu desktop following the overrides fix from earlier
[16:12] <didrocks> cjwatson: hey, so what Neil propose is to roll a tarball over night on Wednesday (once the US guys integrated this work), then we all test the work on Thursday morning  and do the upload right away, what do you think?
[16:13] <cjwatson> when have you done the upload to natty before?
[16:13] <didrocks> cjwatson: you mean, last unity release? it was on Thursday
[16:13] <cjwatson> when on Thursday?
[16:14] <didrocks> was at 4 UTC IIRC
[16:14] <cjwatson> 4am or 4pm?
[16:14] <didrocks> 4pm, we aim at afternoon release for the weekly uploads
[16:14] <didrocks> but not for this beta one
[16:15] <seb128> cjwatson, usual schedule is that njpatel rolls the tarball in the uk afternoon and that didrocks pick it up and upload before eod
[16:15] <didrocks> we will aim for an upload at 9/10am UTC
[16:15] <njpatel> yeah, I'll roll before you guys wake up in CET
[16:16] <cjwatson> it's not ideal, but it is an improvement
[16:16] <cjwatson> that would presumably mean we get some testing throughout the EU day
[16:16] <didrocks> right
[16:16] <njpatel> Yes
[16:16] <cjwatson> is there anything that can be done to increase the probability that if things go wrong we can move back by reverting changes rather than having to move forward and debug?
[16:16] <seb128> landing usually takes some 3 hours
[16:16] <seb128> i.e nux needs to be built and published than unity builds
[16:18] <didrocks> cjwatson: we still can revert both libnux and unity (as unity is the only nux consumer)
[16:19] <cjwatson> but that's an all-or-nothing thing
[16:19] <didrocks> and as compiz release will be today, hopefully, we won't depend on that ABI breakage
[16:19] <didrocks> yeah
[16:19] <cjwatson> I agree that moving the compiz release forward significantly decreases the surface area of things that might go wrong on Thu
[16:19] <didrocks> basically, libunity/dee/places are independent
[16:20] <didrocks> let me check we don't have melt changes there
[16:20] <seb128> going one version backward doesn't seem the best way to move toward a solid natty release anyway so downgrading doesn't seem something we should plan for
[16:21] <seb128> we never had a weekly release broken enough that we had to rollback or that we couldn't have shipped a CD with it until now
[16:22] <skaet> seb128,  we need a fall back, given the scope of changes coming in at the last minute, and the visibility of this beta
[16:22] <didrocks> seb128: agreed on that, we had extra crashers, but they all have been fixed in due time when we saw it was a wide impact
[16:22] <seb128> skaet, we have weekly rollouts, that one doesn't seem to be especially disruptive to me?
[16:23] <seb128> it's never over a week work and tested by a complete team during the week
[16:23] <skaet> seb128,  its the scrollbars landing so late, and we really don't have a full development week here, but rather just a couple of days.
[16:23] <seb128> skaet, we have some annoying crashers that collect duplicate in the current version though, I would really rather look to a way of moving forward and getting issues fixed than planning on staying backward
[16:23] <doko> skaet: I would like to ask for a standing freeze exception, mostly for universe packages to fix ld-no-add-needed and gcc-4.5-ftbfs, introducing new upstream versions with syncs/merges if fixes are available in debian, as long as we don't introduce new library sonames. would that generally be ok with you?
[16:23] <seb128> skaet, scrollbars have nothing to do with unity though
[16:24] <seb128> skaet, they don't seem on track to land this week to me, if we speak about overlay scrollbars
[16:24] <didrocks> those changing are totally independant to nux/unity
[16:25] <cjwatson> seb128: at least some previous weekly releases before milestones haven't worked well enough to make the milestone releasable until late Monday night, which really eats into validation time
[16:25] <cjwatson> a few bug fixes are one thing, that wouldn't be a big deal
[16:25] <cjwatson> being badly broken on Monday is a problem
[16:25] <seb128> well usually they did plan 2 released, one on thursday and one bug fix one on monday
[16:25] <didrocks> cjwatson: we didn't push broken things in natty…
[16:25] <seb128> and that's because they were still landing features
[16:26] <seb128> that's not the case there
[16:26] <seb128> we are over feature freeze
[16:26] <cjwatson> err, multitouch!
[16:26] <njpatel> what about it?
[16:26] <cjwatson> new feature not yet in natty, landing in this update, right?
[16:26] <seb128> cjwatson, that should makes any difference on normal desktop installs though
[16:26] <cjwatson> sure, but even so, it's a new feature being landed
[16:26] <cjwatson> I will have to look back through history to find out what happened, but I'm certain that we have had serious issues on the Monday of a milestone this cycle
[16:27] <seb128> cjwatson, well seems you guys are freaking out for some reasons I don't understand
[16:27] <cjwatson> I'm not freaking out, I'm trying to minimise risk
[16:27] <seb128> cjwatson, right as said those were weeks with 2 releases planned
[16:27] <cjwatson> bug fixes on the Monday of a milestone should be a last resort, not a plan
[16:27] <seb128> one to land features being short on time, one to fix issues
[16:27] <seb128> that's not the case this week
[16:27] <cjwatson> er, on the Monday of a beta, sorry
[16:27] <seb128> there is no hurry feature landing
[16:28] <cjwatson> so is what you're saying that the Unity release this Thursday will be small and much more risk-free than previous releases?
[16:28] <didrocks> cjwatson: that was for alpha…
[16:28] <seb128> the alpha2 rollouts being done on monday were planned this way to give extra time to land features for the thursday
[16:28] <cjwatson> didrocks: yes; we're looking for assurance that this will not be like that
[16:28] <didrocks> cjwatson: and only bug fixes. Otherwise, freezing on Monday morning has no meaning for alpha
[16:28] <didrocks> cjwatson: and as I told you, it's not planned for beta as we have one week freeze
[16:29] <cjwatson> so what is the character of this Thursday release?
[16:29] <cjwatson> is it mainly new features or mainly bug fixes?
[16:29] <seb128> cjwatson, it's not a trivial update but it's focussed on bug fixing and stabilization where alpha were focussed on rushing to land features missing still
[16:29] <seb128> it's mainly bug fixing and stabilization
[16:29] <seb128> with some ui tweaks
[16:29] <cjwatson> if it's not something you're planning to *have* to fix up four days later, I am less worried about it
[16:30] <cjwatson> I'd still like it as early as possible to minimise risk
[16:30] <seb128> and a bit of new things (the ffe which got granted)
[16:30] <seb128> cjwatson, right, the alpha landings were scheduled this way, land thing half broken and do a round of fixing on monday
[16:30] <cjwatson> but can you see why the release team is taking a once-bitten-twice-shy approach?
[16:30] <seb128> that's not the case there
[16:30] <seb128> the release is planned to be stable
[16:31] <cjwatson> it's hard to distinguish planned-breakage from just-plain-breakage
[16:31] <cjwatson> from our point of view
[16:31] <cjwatson> we just see that it made us be hugely stressed for three days
 but can you see why the release team is taking a once-bitten-twice-shy approach?
[16:31] <seb128> yes
[16:32] <seb128> though I didn't realize that people got really bitten before
[16:32] <cjwatson> so we're just trying to make sure that we're not going to be hugely stressed for this reason at least, this time round :)
[16:32] <njpatel> seb128, didrocks Just to be clear, we've already agreed not to do a Monday release right?
[16:32] <seb128> I though that stabilizing alpha on mondays was a clearly communicated and agreed decision between teams
[16:32] <seb128> njpatel, yes, we need something stable tomorrow night
[16:32] <njpatel> right
[16:32] <didrocks> njpatel: right, as that for quite some time already…
[16:33] <seb128> njpatel, beta needs extra testing and stability
[16:33] <didrocks> and there is no released planned on Monday: https://launchpad.net/unity/+series
[16:33] <didrocks> contrary to the other time
[16:33] <njpatel> Yeah, this all breaks for US/EU people but whatever
[16:33] <njpatel> that's fine, I'll release before Thurs AM
[16:33] <cjwatson> OK
[16:34] <skaet> seb128,  which specific FFes  are you refering to for the new things?   can you be specific on when each part will land?    all on Thurs AM?  or some before?
[16:34] <seb128> didrocks, do you have a list of the ffe pending?
[16:34] <cjwatson> and to be clear, we don't object if it turns out that you absolutely *need* to fix something on Monday - the distinction is whether you're planning for it, or whether it's something that comes up
[16:34] <seb128> njpatel, ^
[16:34] <seb128> cjwatson, right, nobody planned to be late for this round
[16:34] <skaet> +1 on what cjwatson said.  ^^
[16:35] <seb128> alpha were rushs because we were behind
[16:35] <cjwatson> with the intention that we can do an initial validation pass on Monday
[16:35] <cjwatson> understood
[16:35] <njpatel> skaet, we land them in trunk as the week goes on and roll on thurs morning normally (so they get testing through the week)
[16:35] <didrocks> seb128: the latest one is the MT support: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/737601
[16:35] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 737601 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Restore MT support in Unity (affects: 1) (heat: 879)" [Undecided,In progress]
[16:35] <seb128> skaet, ^
[16:35] <njpatel> skaet, so we've landed a big change already, one more from me today, and then minor bit stomorrow (and testing) until release tomorrow evening
[16:36] <skaet> njpatel,  thanks,  this is what I was looking to understand.
[16:36] <njpatel> cjwatson, We're working on the idea that we're not allowed to upload past thursday morning, unless we've broken the world
[16:36] <njpatel> and we're not planning to do that (april 1st is still some time away ;)
[16:37]  * skaet notes release is on March 31st...
[16:37] <seb128> skaet, you mentioned scrollbars, that's another story
[16:37] <cjwatson> *beta 1* release is on March 31st :-)
[16:37]  * njpatel makes sure that the launcher icons turning into pictures of Mark is still working
[16:37] <seb128> skaet, but that shouldn't have any impact on the default installation
[16:37] <cjwatson> (having gone "oh god it isn't is it?")
[16:37] <skaet> lol
[16:38] <doko> skaet: I would like to ask for a standing freeze exception, mostly for universe packages to fix ld-no-add-needed and gcc-4.5-ftbfs, introducing new upstream versions with syncs/merges if fixes are available in debian, as long as we don't introduce new library sonames. would that generally be ok with you?
[16:39] <skaet> seb128,  and there shouldn't be any impact or interaction from the new changes with 2-D ?
[16:39] <skaet> doko,  sorry to not getting to your early post.   trying to follow the thread here.
[16:39] <seb128> skaet, from what? scrollbars? or unity 3d?
[16:40] <skaet> seb128,  either ;)
[16:40] <seb128> skaet, reply to doko, when we can continue on unity and scrollbar after that
[16:40] <seb128> skaet, what do you call 2d? unity 2d or GNOME classic? ;-)
[16:40] <seb128> but no, nothing should impact on either of those
[16:40] <doko> no haste, if you are in a meeting ...
[16:41] <skaet> doko,  just trying to settle issues with the release... and am thinking about the implications of what you're asking.
[16:43] <skaet> doko,  I don't think we can take a broad FFE approach, uploadable at any time approach right now.  However there where be windows of time, where getting the fixes in should be ok, as long as they are just fixing the ld-no-add-needed, and gcc-4.5 ftbfs.  Its what else might be included in the packages with those fixes, compared to whats in the repository that concerns me.
[16:44] <doko> skaet: sure, I know, but we'll probably release with a lot of ftbfs without such an approach
[16:45] <skaet> That being said,  if the package is in universe a broader FFEs for those actual ones, is probably ok.  If its not in universe - would like it explicitly FFe's and implications scrutinized a bit more.
[16:47] <skaet> doko, can we keep the uploads down until after the beta 1 is out, and then revisit on the friday meeting?
[16:48] <skaet> I'd like to get the ftbfs fixed as well, just they can't go in, in an ad hoc manner.
[16:50] <doko> skaet: I didn't ask for ad-hoc
[16:50] <skaet> doko,  I misunderstood broad FFE then.
[16:51] <skaet> doko,  what is specific proposal for the changes to universe,  ( when uploads ),  and what is it for the others.  (reacting to the word "mostly universe") in you original request).
[16:52]  * skaet looks at format of above line and hangs her head.
[16:53] <doko> skaet: s/universe/not main/
[16:55] <skaet> doko,  so request is for blanket approval for FFEs in non main archives only?
[16:55] <doko> skaet: yes
[16:55] <doko> and without library transitions
[16:56]  * skaet thinking....
[17:01] <skaet> doko, if the changes are only to fix the ftbfs and not introducing new features from the current version,   we should be fine then.   If there is functionality change in together with the fixes, would prefer those get considered on a case by case basis or wait to Oneiric.  If you avoid uploads during the beta freeze windows, esp. if we're having to do alot of rebuilds to get the images, that would be appreciated.
[17:02] <skaet> s/ftbfs/ ftbfs and ld-no-add-needed/
[17:02] <doko> skaet: ok, will file rc reports then, please feel free to re-assign these ;)
[17:02] <skaet> doko,  fair enough, and thanks for pushing for this.  getting these ftbfs cleaned up is a good thing.
[17:06] <skaet> seb128,  if nothing thats coming should cause a regression on unity 2d or GNOME classic,  am happy.    :)
[17:20] <seb128> skaet, ok great ;-)
[17:28] <seb128> skaet, btw you were mentioning scrollbars before, did you have any specific concern about those? do they need to land in beta if they land in natty?
[17:29] <skaet> I had thought they'd be showing up this week.   However if they're not stable/debugged enough, would like to very carefully work out when their landing.
[17:29] <skaet> seb128 ^^
[17:30] <seb128> skaet, ok, I'm still waiting on an update patch to gtk to review and the bug will need a ffe approval once that's done
[17:30] <seb128> updated
[17:30] <seb128> then we need the new source to be uploaded to universe, reviewed, approved, etc
[17:31] <skaet> ok,  lets over communicate a bit on this one, and judge the tactical window based on when things are ready and solid enough from your side.
[17:33] <seb128> ok
[17:36] <seb128> skaet, well I'm not happy that we have to ship a gtk hack in ubuntu but it doesn't seem it's going to be an issue for the distro stability so it's already something
[17:37] <seb128> i.e the patch is not likely to break things, it's just that it's not done the right way and hackish
[17:38] <seb128> I've no strong opinion about the lib itself yet but since that's an opt-in thing we can still evaluate how stable it is
[17:41] <skaet> seb 128,  expectation set for the release notes is then that the implementation will improve in oneiric,  and interface is provided as a prototype?  will be on stand by for more data on the lib itself.
[17:44] <seb128> skaet, ok
[17:45] <seb128> thanks
[17:45] <seb128> I will keep you updated if I get new infos on that front
[17:48] <skaet> sournds good
[17:49] <skaet> sounds, even
[17:49] <skaet> thanks
[18:33] <doko> skaet, ScottK, Riddell: what's the state of kde on armel?
[18:40] <skaet> doko,   I remember seeing that they fail to build in the daily reports, but am not sure of I've heard a root cause, yet.    Went to go look up the recent reports, but I appear to have been a bit enthusiastic in cleaning my inbox this morning. :P
[18:41] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/ is your friend
[18:41] <skaet> cjwatson,  awesome!  :D
[19:06] <lamont> ScottK: postfix 2.8.2-1 uploaded to debian... did you want me to ask for a sync,  or upload or ??
[19:19] <Riddell> doko: mostly good I believe except for packages which use opengl
[19:22] <doko> Riddell: hmm, just saw a subversion build failure:
[19:22] <doko> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:22] <doko>  kdelibs5-dev : Depends: kdoctools (= 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[19:22] <doko> E: Broken packages
[19:41] <lamont> I find that I am annoyed at the arm builders... quiescing the whole lot of them, then I'm going to make them happy , and put them all back in the pool together.
[20:05] <Riddell> doko: indeed kde4libs failed and there's no logs so I don't know why
[20:10] <slangasek> given that it's armel, perhaps it's related to lamont's above comment about builders being unhappy
[20:11] <slangasek> I've requested a retry
[20:12] <slangasek> (at least then we'll get a log, hopefully)
[20:14] <lamont> if it was building before I just stabbed them all, well, that'd be why there's no log
[20:26] <lamont> is the pile of builds on i386 a translations update pile?
[23:12] <ScottK> doko: As Riddell said, the issue right now is packages that use GL.  I'm not sure where they are on getting fixed.  I think slangasek had someone looking into that.
[23:12] <doko> ScottK: well, lets hope that kde4libs gets built first ...
[23:13] <ScottK> doko: Sure.  It's built before so there's no reason to think it won't.


[08:24] <LeeJunFan> |lostbyte|: yeah, I know, these are dynamic devices though, w/o entries in fstab and considering the variables of sd[x] [n]  I'd rather just have the default be that kde mount them all in sync.
[08:24] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: ah, it appears mine is with 3.5.4, maybe 3.5.3 wasnt.
[08:25] <LeeJunFan> err 3.5.2 - whatever came with dapper.
[08:26] <DaveyJ> i'm an idiot
[08:26] <DaveyJ> i cant find this post anywhere
[08:26] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: okay, well nevermind. Maybe I just need to update the library. Thanks.
[08:27] <BonBonTheJon> what package contains drivers for network cards
[08:27] <|lostbyte|> AFK
[08:27] <llxcamxll_> make[1] : *** [debugi386/ref_gl/r_bloom.o]  Error 1
[08:27] <llxcamxll_> what does that shit mean??
[08:27] <halfbloodprince> hahaha
[08:28] <llxcamxll_> help me out
[08:28] <llxcamxll_> i'm not worthy
[08:28] <llxcamxll_> anyone
[08:29] <llxcamxll_> ok then
[08:30] <BonBonTheJon> llx: I googled and error 1 means a dependency is not met
[08:30] <llxcamxll_> hmm
[08:30] <llxcamxll_> k
[08:30] <BonBonTheJon> sorry i can't help more
[08:31] <llxcamxll_> thats cool
[08:31] <halfbloodprince> what's giving that error
[08:31] <llxcamxll_> using make command
[08:31] <halfbloodprince> for which application
[08:32] <llxcamxll_> some alien game
[08:32] <halfbloodprince> ah
[08:32] <llxcamxll_> ah what
[08:32] <llxcamxll_> tell me
[08:32] <halfbloodprince> ah = okay
[08:33] <halfbloodprince> did you get it off the game's site or something
[08:33] <llxcamxll_> yeah
[08:33] <halfbloodprince> maybe that site has a faq for this stuff
[08:33] <llxcamxll_> ok, cool
[08:34] <obf213> sometiems when i bootup i have know sound, do i have to reboot to get sound back, because that seems to be the only thing that has worked for me. but w/e linux you "should never have to reboot" or w/e.
[08:34] <halfbloodprince> btw, can anyone tell me if the helix player is any good
[08:35] <lotusleaf> halfbloodprince: it does what it says it does
[08:35] <enzo_> What's a good video capture app? I want to record some things I do with kubuntu and play them back for reference
[08:36] <halfbloodprince> lotusleaf: have you tried real player for linux?
[08:36] <halfbloodprince> is the sound quality better than that of amarok?
[08:36] <lotusleaf> halfbloodprince: it's closed source and generally I avoid using closed source ;)
[08:37] <lotusleaf> halfbloodprince: though helix is another matter
[08:37] <RawSewage> enzo_, ScreenKast ?
[08:38] <RawSewage> enzo_, nm, not in repos
[08:40] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: I have screenkast on my SoS repo actually
[08:40] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: http://SeerOfSouls.com/ubuntu.html
[08:40] <RawSewage> enzo_, you can try it.  they have Dapper package;  http://instrudeo.bpower2.com/packages/ubuntu-dapper/
[08:40] <ironfroggy> im having trouble. screen updates are horribly slow in all programs. flash, video playing, even scrolling a web page gives a horrible flicker as i can watch the update blitting.
[08:41] <RawSewage> Hawkwind, you made a repo?
[08:41] <ironfroggy> what could i possible look at to improve that? its not that my hardware sucks, because ive had much better performance here before.
[08:41] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: Yes.  I have E17 in my repo which is why I started it
[08:41] <RawSewage> whats E17
[08:41] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: SoS is the largest 3rd party rpm repo for Mandriva currently
[08:41] <RawSewage> cool
[08:41] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: Enlightenment-DR17.....enlightenment.org or get-e.org for more info
[08:41] <RawSewage> enzo_, are you even listening
[08:41] <ironfroggy> is there any X configuration i could look into that could make these things more responsive?
[08:42] <enzo_> yes
[08:42] <enzo_> I'm at the site
[08:42] <RawSewage> Ive never tried it
[08:42] <Hawkwind> enzo_: screenkast is in my contrib repo
[08:42] <RawSewage> Hawkwind, have you tried it
[08:42] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: Tis all I run is E17
[08:42] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: I won't use any other wm :P
[08:42] <RawSewage> oh
[08:43] <RawSewage> Enlightenment
[08:43] <enzo_> Which do you recommend?
[08:43] <Hawkwind> No, quite different from enlightenment as you know enlightenment
[08:43] <Hawkwind> enzo_: Which what ?
[08:43] <pureDeviance> Hmm, what software do you recon I should add to my Kubuntu Installation?
[08:43] <enzo_> nevermind
[08:44] <enzo_> I was looking at something else and got confused
[08:44] <enzo_> sorry
[08:44] <Hawkwind> pureDeviance: Depends on what *you* want
[08:44] <Hawkwind> enzo_: Heh, no problem
[08:44] <pureDeviance> :|
[08:45] <pureDeviance> Is there a faster loading word prossesor?
[08:45] <RawSewage> I use KWrite
[08:45] <Hawkwind> pureDeviance: Faster than what ?
[08:45] <halfbloodprince> how is xmms
[08:45] <weas3l> hey Hawkwind... thanks for the help the other day... kubuntu is up and running
[08:45] <RawSewage> Im not sure what exactly KWrite is
[08:45] <RawSewage> halfbloodprince, it's like WinAmp
[08:46] <Hawkwind> weas3l: No problem.  Glad to have been of help
[08:46] <RawSewage> XMMS is good
[08:46] <lotusleaf> halfbloodprince: try it and see :)
[08:46] <halfbloodprince> RawSewage: how is the sound quality
[08:46] <Hawkwind> halfbloodprince: It's nice, but there are others that are good, like banshee
[08:46] <RawSewage> sounds fine to me
[08:46] <RawSewage> I use amarok too
[08:46] <Hawkwind> halfbloodprince: banshee sends what you play to last.fm as you can see here:  http://last.fm/user/Hawk-wind
[08:46] <lotusleaf> xmms is nice for low overhead
[08:46] <halfbloodprince> does amarok sound better or xmms
[08:46] <RawSewage> no idea
[08:47] <Hawkwind> halfbloodprince: It's always best to try several apps and see what *you* like best
[08:47] <RawSewage> it all sounds the same to me
[08:47] <halfbloodprince> :) thanks guys
[08:48] <enzo_> Hawkwind, I got the Beginning Ubuntu Linux: From Novice to Professional
[08:48] <enzo_> book
[08:52] <BonBonTheJon> where can i find a driver for pcnet32 card
[08:55] <weas3l> where would i be able to find xmms packages for the player itself?
[08:56] <RawSewage> sudo apt-get install xmms
[08:56] <main2> !packages
[08:56] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, apt-cache, the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[08:56] <main2> !repository
[08:56] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:56] <main2> ^^ for you weas3l
[08:56] <weas3l> you guys rock <3
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[08:57] <weas3l> i'm trying to use the gui adept package manager, and searching for xmms returns all the plugins, but not the player :S
[08:57] <pureDeviance> !adept
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[09:00] <main2> yeah... well, we can ban him right away as well :)
[09:01] <seth|away>  list
[09:02] <weas3l> so... if i have superuser access to my system, i don't really need sudo, do i?
[09:02] <weas3l> i just need apt-get?
[09:03] <main2> !root
[09:03] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:03] <main2> working as root is dangerous, if you dont know what ur doing
[09:04] <weas3l> yeah, but if i have root already, i don't really need to worry about running programs w/ superuser privileges as a user
[09:04] <main2> weas3l: no but if you wanne install something for urself
[09:04] <main2> and you login as root or sudo for it..
[09:04] <weas3l> ah, without having to su... i gotcha.
[09:04] <main2> NO YOU DONT
[09:04] <halfbloodprince> see you later people
[09:05] <weas3l> yeah, thats what i'm saying.
[09:05] <weas3l> you don't su
[09:05] <main2> then the programs files will have the root permissions
[09:05] <main2> no, and you dont login as root either
[09:05] <voicu> Hi, is there a simple C/C++ IDE for KDE? I don't want to use KDevelop or Anjuta because they work at a different level. I want something light.
[09:05] <main2> you do: sudo -u myusername programnametoexecute
[09:05] <voicu> Something that edits, compiles and runs my programs.
[09:06] <weas3l> ah, so when you say sudo aptget install... i should be putting in sudo -u username apt-get install?
[09:06] <pureDeviance> Is there a PHP server I can install on my PC? Like an xamp for Linux?
[09:07] <voicu> weas3l: usually you shouldn't login or use the shells as the superuser. I always type sudo for each command
[09:07] <weas3l> ah
[09:07] <voicu> and main2 is right, when you do use the superuser to create files or something you won't be able to access them with your normal user
[09:09] <main2> ive installed a number of things (like games) using sudo
[09:09] <main2> but type: sudo whoami
[09:09] <main2> in a shell, and let your brains think.. -> see what i mean weas3l?
[09:09] <pepe> or click right on nick and whois
[09:10] <main2> pepe: ?
[09:10] <pepe> ?
[09:10] <voicu> pepe, he was refering to the shell
[09:10] <voicu> i.e. $sudo whoami
[09:10] <weas3l> i... see...
[09:10] <weas3l> ah
[09:10] <pepe> sry i'm not in topic >_<
[09:11] <main2> now i have to sudo gamename everytime i wanne play.. and its executed under the root account..
[09:11] <pepe> i'm gonna mute :x
[09:11] <weas3l> and so when it asks for a password?
[09:11] <main2> thats crap.., so believe me weas3l
[09:11] <main2> if you wanne install something for urself use: sudo -u username bin-name
[09:11] <weas3l> ah, so when you say sudo aptget install... i should be putting in sudo -u username apt-get install?
[09:12] <main2> for apt-get, just use 'sudo apt-get install'
[09:12] <voicu> noo
[09:12] <weas3l> werd
[09:12] <DaveyJ> what's the kde equiv to gnome's "sessions" where i can have things autostart
[09:12] <main2> for systemstuff use normal sudo...
[09:12] <weas3l> since... *reads the man file* i'm not going from one group to another?
[09:12] <main2> the systems stuff is not on your user-permissions.....................
[09:12] <voicu> weas3l, sudo -u username is when you compile programs from source or something like that
[09:12] <weas3l> k
[09:12] <main2> DaveyJ: in /home/username/.kde/Autostart :)
[09:13] <Chousuke> why would you use sudo when compiling? :/
[09:13] <main2> you shouldnt have to
[09:13] <lotusleaf> ./configure && make && sudo make install
[09:14] <lotusleaf> or ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall
[09:14] <voicu> i was thinking about something else...
[09:14] <weas3l> hey main2...
[09:14] <weas3l> v
[09:14] <Dannilion__> Anyone know a way of getting rid of the flash sound delays in Konqueror?
[09:14] <weas3l> sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:14] <weas3l> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:14] <weas3l> E: Unable to lock
[09:15] <voicu> Soo, anyone knows a lightweight C/C++ IDE (for KDE if possible)?
[09:15] <main2> weas3l: 'Resource temporarily unavailable' looks like the server is down?
[09:16] <weas3l> or used by another program?
[09:16] <main2> weas3l: i dont know a lot about repositories
[09:16] <voicu> weas3l, you probably have an instance of adept, aptitude or whatever started
[09:16] <main2> but this might happen if you dont have the 'multiverse' repository in your sources.list ?
[09:16] <weas3l> yeah, i looked at my taskbar and just saw it
[09:16] <voicu> if not you must kill the nonresponsive process
[09:16] <main2> ahhh ok
[09:17] <main2> voicu: might be better to reask ur question in #linux and #ubuntu
[09:17] <weas3l> i forgot i was getting flash player installed...
[09:17] <voicu> ok, i'm going to do that
[09:17] <main2> because there might be more people reading it..
[09:18] <ahmeni> voicu: I don't think there's anything that's between kate and kdevelop in terms of complexity :(
[09:20] <voicu> ahmeni, well i need just something that edits (with highligthing), compiles and runs the programs
[09:20] <graham_> hi all
[09:20] <voicu> KDevelop has to many buttons :P
[09:22] <graham_> is there an irc channel for a complete noob like me
[09:22] <voicu> #kubuntu :D
[09:22] <weas3l> yeah, i started,,, like, yesterday
[09:22] <graham_> cool.. though i dont want to annoy people with really really noob questions :)
[09:23] <weas3l> kubuntu was really easy to install i found... and thses peoples here seem to know their stuff.
[09:23] <voicu> honestly, I didn't always get answers to my questions but I kept trying, it's worth it
[09:23] <weas3l> just need to know who to direct questions to.
[09:24] <graham_> it was easy to install.. im using it and ive used then adept and installed various software.. its really cool software
[09:24] <weas3l> indeed.
[09:24] <voicu> weas3l: yep, something like that
[09:24] <graham_> im trying to get the nvidia drivers on but having trouble
[09:24] <weas3l> i'm contimplating moving my *shudder* windows box over to my tv and using it just for movies and video...
[09:25] <voicu> I'm windows free for quite a long time now and except for some casual games I don't miss any functionality
[09:25] <The_Stephan__> hilfe
[09:25] <voicu> graham_, what part doesn't work?
[09:25] <weas3l> well, i got a good sized tv, so i still could game on it... i'm just getting back into linux after like, a year and a bit away from it ;S
[09:25] <The_Stephan__> ich hab web java paket also das programm installiert unter linux geht auch aber wie geht das nun im browser
[09:26] <NthDegree> !de
[09:26] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:26] <llxcamxll_> can we run half life under kubuntu??
[09:26] <green[fenix] > !mp3
[09:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:26] <graham_> well i need to do ctrl-alt-f1 and run it from there but i cannot logon with my username and password? it wont let me in that way
[09:26] <NthDegree> The_Stephan__: go to #ubuntu-de
[09:27] <The_Stephan__> thx
[09:27] <The_Stephan__> sorry
[09:27] <NthDegree> The_Stephan__: ich nicht spreche deutche :)
[09:27] <The_Stephan__> the was wrong channel
[09:27] <voicu> graham_: run what?
[09:28] <voicu> and it should let you logon in the console
[09:28] <llxcamxll_> this error 1 shit blows
[09:28] <NthDegree> The_Stephan__: if you can understand english try an ubuntu howto on installing java in firefox/konqueror :)
[09:29] <The_Stephan__> yes
[09:29] <graham_> the nvidia package.. it says do ctrl alt f1 and run the envy script but i have to log on first
[09:29] <weas3l> oh right, java... totally forgot that...
[09:30] <voicu> graham_, you can open up a console. hit ALT+F2 and type konsole
[09:30] <voicu> then use 'sudo envy'
[09:30] <weas3l> heh.
[09:30] <weas3l> psuedo envy...
[09:30] <graham_> thansk voicu. does the envy script need to be downloaded to anywhere specific to run it?
[09:31] <graham_> it says command not found
[09:32] <voicu> you should be working in the directory where you downloaded the package
[09:32] <voicu> was it an archive?
[09:34] <lotusleaf> should a floppy device normally have to be added manually into /etc/fstab? I thought I saw it there in Breezy but now in Dapper it's not listed at all
[09:34] <voicu> maybe it didn't recognize it but that would be even more weird
[09:35] <MiD> can anybody help me with this error message when trying to (re)install kwin? : ** (process:15499): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[09:35] <lotusleaf> voicu: was that to me? if so, I've noticed this on several systems
[09:36] <voicu> lotusleaf: yes, but it was just a thought. mine for example was listed with the installation
[09:37] <lotusleaf> voicu: thanks :) interesting, I guess I'll have to add it manually, thanks for relating your experience.
[09:37] <voicu> np
[09:39] <BonBonTheJon> where are network card drivers located
[09:40] <seth> network card support is built into the kernel
[09:40] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: over there. Second shelf left.
[09:40] <BonBonTheJon> seth: I have a card that is identified in lspci but the installer didnt install drivers for it
[09:41] <Blissex> seth: I find it hard to answer seriously a question that vague from a nick like <BonBonTheJon> :-)
[09:41] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: but I can try. it is extremely unlikely that you have an unsupported card.
[09:41] <Lynoure> BonBonTheJon: in there kernel module directory, see   lsmod  for what you have loaded now
[09:42] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: just about all know chipsets are supported by standard drivers. If your chipset is not, then things become pretty awkward.
[09:42] <BonBonTheJon> ok,  I have an entry for pcnet32, which is the chipset
[09:42] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: so what does 'lspci | grep Ethernet' say?
[09:43] <BonBonTheJon> nothing
[09:43] <BonBonTheJon> I'm using ubuntu server
[09:43] <BonBonTheJon> which shouldn't matter
[09:43] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:44] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: if it says nothing then it is not there...
[09:44] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: anyhow there is some information on the PCNET32 style chipsets here: http://www.faqs.org/docs/ethernet/Ethernet-HOWTO-4.html
[09:45] <BonBonTheJon> going there now
[09:46] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: it is a driver for *very* old chipsets. So perhaps the driver in the kernel has been disabled. You can buy a new Ethernet card with a recent chipet for like $5.
[09:46] <BonBonTheJon> Yeah, I probably should just do that
[09:47] <BonBonTheJon> its served me well for so long
[09:47] <lotusleaf> voicu: floppy is listed in /dev/ but not in fstab :) odd, eh
[09:48] <banana21> hey anyone know a good graphical ftp server?
[09:48] <banana21> for kubuntu
[09:48] <BonBonTheJon> blis: when I put in the new card, will it automatically install the drivers, or what will i need to do
[09:49] <voicu> lotusleaf, the floppy is always listed in /dev. actually every kind of device is listed in /dev, just that the system will only use those that are configured
[09:49] <lotusleaf> voicu: yeah, when I try to use the floppy it works but it's just not listed in fstab, perhaps ubuntu is psychic
[09:50] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: if it is a recent card, it is fully automatic.
[09:51] <BonBonTheJon> good
[09:51] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: note that however if the AMD chipset card you have does not appear in 'lspci' it is a hw problem, unless it is an ISA card.
[09:51] <BonBonTheJon> blis: it shows up in lspci
[09:52] <Sanne> hi
[09:52] <BonBonTheJon> and lsmod | grep pcnet32  returns 2 entries
[09:52] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: paste here the line.
[09:52] <Infecto> hello can some one tell me how to change a chanell wchih one is managed by sound buttons in laptops from master to pcm
[09:52] <weas3l> argh! stupid flash not jibing with firefox...
[09:52] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: paste here the line from 'lspci'
[09:52] <weas3l> ooo, kids in the hall. *distracted*
[09:52] <Infecto> I have to change the PCM slider
[09:52] <Infecto> i want to :)
[09:52] <BonBonTheJon> its on another computer but it says:      pcnet32                     33540  0
[09:53] <Blissex> lotusleaf: there is a program that mounts stuff in the background
[09:53] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: thats the driver. Not the card.
[09:53] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: run 'lspci | grep Ethernet' on the other computer...
[09:53] <BonBonTheJon> blis: nothing
[09:54] <lotusleaf> Blissex: the all knowing, all caring HAL seems quite active
[09:54] <Vegeta> Does anyone know how a Digital Signatur can be installed on linux?
[09:54] <Blissex> Vegeta: yes.
[09:54] <voicu> lotusleaf, you might be right. i'm going to stop thinking while in ubuntu :D
[09:54] <lotusleaf> hald, rather
[09:54] <lotusleaf> voicu: ;)
[09:55] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: paste to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ the full output of 'lspci' run on the PC that is supposed to have that card.
[09:55] <BonBonTheJon> i can't i don't have network connection
[09:56] <Vegeta> Blissex: How? My Firefox says that it doesn't know how to open the page...
[09:56] <Blissex> Vegeta: that's a different question! :-)
[09:57] <shadowr3d> hello everyone
[09:57] <Vegeta> Blissex: Hehe why? You said that you knew :P
[09:57] <Blissex> Vegeta: probably you want to import a digital certificate into a browner, not add a digital signature to Linux. And I said only that yes, someone knows. :-)
[09:57] <Blissex> Vegeta: so describe your goal a bit better.
[09:58] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: wait a sec.
[09:58] <seth> Infecto, right-click KMix icon -> select Master Channel -> PCM
[09:58] <shadowr3d> how can i the kubuntu booting when it says like "starting hp printing" and stuff like that when you boot up kubuntu?
[09:58] <shadowr3d> how can i change* sorry
[09:59] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: what does this print: lspci | egrep -v 'USB|ISA|audio|VGA|IDE|Host|bridge|storage'
[09:59] <shadowr3d> how can i change the kubuntu booting when it says like "starting hp printing" and stuff like that when you boot up kubuntu?
[09:59] <Vegeta> Well I have a html file which was a security copy of the digital signatur, that I first installed on windows xp. NOw I want it on Linux. On windows the installation would start when pressed at the html file.
[09:59] <Vegeta> Is this something you're familiar with Blissex?
[10:00] <Blissex> Vegeta: that is nearly incomprehensible. Describe your goal, not what you are trying to do.
[10:00] <Vegeta> Blissex: What do you mean? My goal is to install my old Digital Signatur.
[10:00] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: and also: are you sure your ethernet card is a PCI one?
[10:01] <Blissex> Vegeta: nom your goal is to do something with that Digital Signatur, whatever you mean by that. There are very many types of ''digital signatures''.
[10:02] <Blissex> Vegeta: literally taken, what you are asking is how to add an X.504 certificate to the IPCSEC subsystem in the kernel. I doubt your mean that.
[10:02] <nil_> hello, world ;-)
[10:02] <shadowr3d> how can i change the kubuntu booting when it says like "starting hp printing" and stuff like that when you boot up kubuntu?
[10:02] <Vegeta> Blissex: Well there are many thing I can do with that. Like login into some places with my personal information, and smilar..
[10:03] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: I assume its pci if lspci sees it
[10:03] <shadowr3d> how can i change the kubuntu booting when it says like "starting hp printing" and stuff like that when you boot up kubuntu?
[10:03] <Vegeta> Blissex: Nahh I don't mean such complicated stuff, I'm a linux newbie.
[10:04] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: then try to type by hand the line in 'lspci' where you say it is listed. Because if it is an Ethernet card that line should contain 'Ethernet'...
[10:05] <BluDog_Anchorite> shadowr3d: you can stop some of those services in the services list inside of systemssettings
[10:05] <Blissex> Vegeta: and which program are you using to do that login?
[10:05] <nil_> I am new to Ubuntu and I need your help. I'd like to install java (jre). I tried to install it but the install stopped and my database got locked. I guess it was something to do with the licence agreement...I could not see where to agree...
[10:05] <BluDog_Anchorite> !java > nil_
[10:06] <nil_> oh, database is already unlocked...
[10:06] <Vegeta> On Win XP, i didn't need a specifik program to login.
[10:06] <Blissex> Vegeta: are you trying to import a certificate into Firefox to access some websites that require authentication from HTTP clients?
[10:06] <Blissex> Vegeta: to login to what? In what way?
[10:06] <nil_> what is the name of the package ?
[10:07] <BluDog_Anchorite> nil_: read the wiki
[10:07] <BluDog_Anchorite> it explains how to do it, and what to do about the lisence
[10:07] <Vegeta> https://isis.ku.dk/passport/login.aspx?returnurl=https%3a%2f%2fisis.ku.dk%2fkurser%2fppLoginReciever.aspx&sender=http%3a%2f%2fisis.ku.dk%2fkurser%2fadmin%2findex.aspx <-- Like here
[10:07] <Infecto> seth: i`m not so stupid i made this and dont work
[10:07] <shadowr3d> how can i change the kubuntu booting when it says like "starting hp printing" and stuff like that when you boot up kubuntu?
[10:07] <Vegeta> Under: Login vha. digital signatur <-- You can login with Digital Signatur.
[10:07] <nil_> ok, thanks.
[10:08] <BluDog_Anchorite> shadowr3d: did you miss my answer>?
[10:08] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: there in no entry for ethernet
[10:09] <shadowr3d> yes i did
[10:09] <shadowr3d> im sorry
[10:09] <Vegeta> Blissex: Do you see what I mean now?
[10:10] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: but lspci | grep "pcnet32" returns "pcnet32             33540 0" and "mii                   7040 1 pcnet32"
[10:10] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: that is quite impossible because those are the lines that 'lsmod' returns.
[10:10] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: yeah, sorry
[10:11] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: the lines returned by 'lspci' look like:
[10:11] <Blissex> base# lspci | egrep -v 'USB|ISA|audio|VGA|IDE|Host|bridge|storage'
[10:11] <Blissex> 00:13.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[10:11] <Blissex> 02:0b.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB12LV26 IEEE-1394 Controller (Link)
[10:11] <nil_> it seems the packages were still there...so no need to download them again...they're installed...Thanks, BlueDog...
[10:11] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: so run 'lspci | grep Ethernet' instead of 'lsmod | grep pcnet32'
[10:12] <shadowr3d> bludog??
[10:12] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: lspci returns "0000:00:11.0 Ethernet controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]  79c970 [PCnet32 LANCE]  (rev 25)
[10:12] <Blissex> Vegeta: I have no idea what "Login vha" means.
[10:12] <Vegeta> Means: Login with Digital Signatur.
[10:12] <Blissex> Vegeta: but in which program?
[10:12] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: so contrarily to what you said the card is there. And probably working.
[10:13] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: what happens if you say 'ip link ls'?
[10:13] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: but ifconfig only has lo
[10:13] <shadowr3d> bludog how can i change the kubuntu booting when it says like "starting hp printing" and stuff like that when you boot up kubuntu and i dont mean the splash screen like it says kde is up and running
[10:13] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: that only means that it is not configured, not missing.
[10:14] <Vegeta> Blissex: I don't know which program it uses. But it seems that I can acces it trhough the terminal. I opened the html file from the terminal and the error I had before didn't occure, so it will be installing now. :D
[10:14] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: ok, how do i configure it
[10:14] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: what does 'ip link ls eth0' say?
[10:14] <BluDog_Anchorite> shadowr3d: you disable those from the services menu inside of the system settings manager
[10:14] <shadowr3d> how
[10:14] <BluDog_Anchorite> type systemsettings in a terminal
[10:14] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: Device "eth0" does not exist
[10:14] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: and 'ip link ls'?
[10:15] <BluDog_Anchorite> on the bottom line it says services
[10:15] <shadowr3d> i mean i want a different one like the ones you download
[10:15] <shadowr3d> ok
[10:15] <BluDog_Anchorite> you want to change the boot splash
[10:15] <shadowr3d> yes
[10:15] <shadowr3d> please
[10:15] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: 'ip link ls' returns two entries: lo and sit0
[10:15] <BluDog_Anchorite> thats a totally different question
[10:15] <shadowr3d> o ok
[10:15] <RawSewage> How can I verify a DVD burn.  k3b verifying seems to be broken in Edgy
[10:15] <BluDog_Anchorite> not sure.  never trie dto do it with kubuntu
[10:15] <RawSewage> is there a tool that can verify a burn?
[10:16] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: that is not good.
[10:16] <BluDog_Anchorite> RawSewage: if you have a md5 of the original, try running md5sum on the disc
[10:16] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: what would that indicate
[10:16] <RawSewage> BluDog_Anchorite, ok thx.  how do I get that sum
[10:16] <shadowr3d> because i dont want it to say kubuntu i want the one i downloaded from the web kdelooks.org or something like that
[10:16] <BluDog_Anchorite> RawSewage: run md5sum on the source file if you have it
[10:16] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: try 'sudo rmmod pcnet32' and after that 'sudo modprobe pcnet32;
[10:16] <RawSewage> BluDog_Anchorite, cool thx
[10:17] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: ok done
[10:18] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: 'ip link ls' again
[10:18] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: same
[10:18] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: have a look at last 20-30 lines of the output of 'dmesg' and of the file '/var/log/messages'
[10:19] <shadowr3d> how can i change the song when kde starts up?
[10:20] <BonBonTheJon> blisss: dmesg has "PCI: Found IRQ 12 for device 0000:00:11.0" and "pcnet32: PCnet version 0xfff1, no PCnet32 chip."
[10:20] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: /var/log/messages says the same things
[10:21] <shadowr3d> nevermind i know how kool
[10:21] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: good, interesting "no PCnet32 chip".
[10:21] <BonBonTheJon> yeah
[10:22] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: because it is a Lance, not a PCNET32. It must be *very* old. Check this: http://www.faqs.org/docs/ethernet/Ethernet-HOWTO-4.html#lance
[10:23] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: but then it says it is the PCNET32 version of the LANCE. So it should work.
[10:23] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: thanks for your help, I think I will just spend the $15 to buy a new card I know wil work
[10:24] <nil_> Do I need to create a symlink after jre is installed ?
[10:24] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: thats better because the "AMD 79C970" says the Boca version has bugs, and perhaps that's what you got
[10:24] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: as in: "the Boca implementation of the 79C970 fails on fast Pentium machines"
[10:26] <BluDog_Anchorite> shadowr3d: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[10:26] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: so any new ethernet card will work?
[10:27] <shadowr3d> thanks bludog ill try it
[10:27] <BluDog_Anchorite> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=77290
[10:27] <BluDog_Anchorite> that one too
[10:27] <shadowr3d> ok
[10:30] <danish> when using vmplayer we can still add/remove programs to virtual machine
[10:30] <marc__> in ubuntu how to you add something to startup such as nfsmount ...rc-update does not work?
[10:36] <ditte> hi
[10:37] <nil_> it seems jre is not working...
[10:37] <ditte> anyone knows of a partitioning utility that works with Kubuntu?
[10:38] <shadowr3d> bludog i couldnt do it im a newbie so could you help me
[10:41] <sui> hi
[10:41] <ditte> hi sui
[10:42] <sui> << just looking in, no problems till now with my new installation :)
[10:42] <sui> kubuntu on a thinkpad is very "smart"
[10:43] <ditte> sui: it's my first time on Linux, and I'm getting a new respect for Microsoft:)
[10:43] <ditte> I hope it's a temporary phenomenon
[10:43] <sui> respect for MS? why this?
[10:44] <BluDog_Anchorite> shadowr3d: im at work now, so i cant take up any project like that.  i have never done one myself
[10:44] <seth> ditte, qtparted
[10:44] <shadowr3d> o
[10:44] <BluDog_Anchorite> sorry
[10:44] <shadowr3d> what ya working at
[10:45] <BluDog_Anchorite> i do tech support for a voip company
[10:45] <shadowr3d> nah thats fine i understand
[10:45] <shadowr3d> ooo
[10:45] <shadowr3d> fancy
[10:45] <shadowr3d> whats voip
[10:45] <ditte> sui: put it like this: up to now, I haven't been able to install a single program that wasn't in Adept, to make my printer work, or to even see how my HDD is partitioned
[10:45] <BluDog_Anchorite> voice over IP
[10:45] <ditte> thanks seth
[10:45] <shadowr3d> o
[10:45] <shadowr3d> ok
[10:45] <shadowr3d> back to work then huh
[10:45] <seth> ditte, you shouldn't need to install stuff that isn't in adept, really
[10:45] <seth> what kind of printer?
[10:46] <shadowr3d> anyone else know how to change the bootsplash at the start of kubuntu?
[10:46] <ditte> seth: well, I'd like at least Sylpheed and Opera
[10:46] <ditte> possibly rosegarden
[10:46] <ditte> seth: it's a banal HP 920C
[10:47] <ditte> kubuntu recognises it, but when installing it, it gives me some hogwash, and I'm back to square one
[10:47] <sui> ditte: have you ever used a konsole-based prog? take a look at your sources.list and add new repositories and type apt-get update
[10:47] <seth> ditte, open add/remove programs (not adept), and check the "commercial software" box
[10:47] <seth> opera will show up
[10:47] <ditte> sui: I installed this stuff htis afternoon, I doubt they have updated in the last 3 hours:)
[10:48] <jager> does kubuntu seem particualrly crash prone to you guys lately?
[10:48] <seth> ditte, rosegarden is in universe. You will need to add the Universe repositories and it'll be there
[10:48] <jager> seems like it likes to hard lock more often than usual
[10:48] <lotusleaf> jager: no
[10:48] <lotusleaf> jager: what in particular seems crashy to you and what version are you using?
[10:49] <ditte> seth: still can't find Opera
[10:50] <ditte> universe, eh?
[10:50] <jager> hard locks quite a bit, often while playing music in amarok but not always
[10:50] <jager> this is dapper 6.06
[10:50] <hack124x768> Hello all. Does anyone here know how to install kubuntu from and NFS share. I don't have accessto a CD burner and want to try edgy.
[10:51] <lotusleaf> jager: have you filed a bug report?
[10:51] <lotusleaf> jager: I've always experienced random crashes in AmaroK
[10:51] <lotusleaf> jager: though I must say the past few versions have improved ;)
[10:51] <shadowr3d> anyone else know how to change the bootsplash at the start of kubuntu?
[10:52] <hack124x768> I know there is a howto for the bootsplash somewhere, i'll see if I can find it.
[10:52] <seth> ditte, open a terminal for me
[10:52] <seth> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:52] <seth> ^ run that
[10:53] <larson9999> i was locking up like crazy using a mobo with an embedded ati x200 graphics card.  took it back for a similar model with nvidia and all is fine
[10:53] <seth> ditte, you'll find 4 lines that look like URLs and have the word "universe" at the end. Remove the "#" from the beginning of each of those lines.
[10:53] <seth> ditte, also, paste this line at the end of the file:
[10:53] <seth> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main
[10:53] <ditte> seth: says X Error, failed to open device
[10:53] <seth> that's fine, it should still pop up a password window
[10:54] <seth> er... you're running KDE right now, aren't you?
[10:54] <sui> seth: contains "universe" commercial software?
[10:54] <seth> not just from the console?
[10:54] <seth> sui, no. Universe contains unsupported software.
[10:54] <seth> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main << contains commerical software
[10:54] <shadowr3d> anyone else know how to change the bootsplash at the start of kubuntu?
[10:54] <ditte> seth: erh, actually, aside from the error message and the fact thatthe shell is now stuck, nothing happened
[10:54] <sui> seth: ok, i will add this
[10:55] <hack124x768> shadowr3d: im looking for a howto still
[10:55] <shadowr3d> you to
[10:55] <seth> ditte, that's rather weird
[10:55] <seth> CTRL+C to "unstick" the console
[10:55] <ditte> oh right, I should have remembered that from the UNIX times:)
[10:56] <seth> use "sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list" instead then
[10:56] <seth> it'll use a console-based text editor
[10:56] <shadowr3d> hack124x768:
[10:56] <sui> vim ;)
[10:57] <seth> sui, sudoedit uses nano by default, since it uses $EDITOR
[10:57] <haully_> how to put res. 1280x1024 if the max in menu is 1024x768? editing xorg.conf?
[10:57] <seth> haully_, yes
[10:57] <seth> sudoedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:57] <ditte> ok, now I get something that looks a lot like vi opening an empty file
[10:57] <haully_> hm ok, thx
[10:57] <seth> ditte, are you sure you typed the filename correctly?
[10:57] <seth>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:57] <shadowr3d> anyone else know how to change the bootsplash at the start of kubuntu?
[10:58] <sui> seth: nano is (was) my editor till, now but i found a nice tutorial on the web for vim
[10:58] <ditte> seth: yup, that's the string
[10:58] <hack124x768> shadowr3d: try this url https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[10:58] <shadowr3d> ok
[10:58] <sui> and i have to remember that this ist ubuntu, not a gentoo chan ;)
[10:59] <shadowr3d> wait hack i tried that its to confusing
[10:59] <ditte> people...is the AMD64 version stable?
[10:59] <shadowr3d> do you know how
[10:59] <ditte> I have the impression that this is screwed up beyond my obvious incompetence
[11:00] <hack124x768> shadowr3d: then you're kinda bummin. Its isn't meant to be changed, so it's going to be a little time consuming.
[11:00] <hack124x768> shadowr3d: You could look for other ones people ahve already made.
[11:01] <shadowr3d> i did and i downloaded it but i dont know how to change it
[11:01] <ditte> and why does bloody qtparted try to connect to X server :0.0?
[11:01] <hack124x768> shadowr3d: where did you get it from?
[11:01] <ditte> does the K stand for "Kafka"?
[11:01] <sui> ditte: because its a X-application
[11:01] <shadowr3d> i think it was kdelooks.org
[11:01] <shadowr3d> or something like that
[11:02] <sui> what do o have to do to get dvds working?
[11:02] <hack124x768> shadowr3d: kde-look.org, its a good site, im looking at it now...
[11:02] <sui> s/o/I/
[11:02] <shadowr3d> It was KDE-look.org
[11:02] <shadowr3d> yes
[11:02] <shadowr3d> that one
[11:02] <hack124x768> sui: sudo apt-get libdvdcss i believe.
[11:02] <seth> hack124x768, not in Ubuntu's repos
[11:03] <seth> you can do that if you add the plf repo
[11:03] <sui> hack124x768: no libdvdcss isn'T available
[11:04] <sui> have to look on the web for that repo
[11:04] <ditte> sui: to sum it up: if I open qtparted as root, it doesn't work, if I open it as ditte, it doesn't do anything because I'm not root
[11:05] <shadowr3d> did you find anything hack
[11:05] <sui> ditte: thats weird, but i suppose the root-user isn't allowed to connect the x-server
[11:06] <ditte> sui: is this standard in kubuntu??
[11:06] <sui> ditte: try "xhost +localhost" as user and "export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0" as root
[11:06] <sui> ditte: then start qtparted
[11:08] <ditte> sui: ok, now it got the shell stuck and nothing happened
[11:08] <sui> ditte: do you get an error message?
[11:08] <ditte> sui: nope
[11:08] <ditte> siui: oh yes, I do now
[11:09] <ditte> sui: " cannot connect to X server localhost:0.0"
[11:09] <sui> ditte: the solution i posted some lines above should fix this problem o_O
[11:10] <drnoone> anyone have a Compro VideoMate TV Card Remote Control working on Dapper?
[11:10] <ditte> sui: if you mean the export display, I did that
[11:10] <drnoone> I don't know how to load event interface suport
[11:11] <sui> ditte: and the user who started the xserver accepts connections... weird
[11:11] <shadowr3d> anyone else know how to change the bootsplash at the start of kubuntu?
[11:12] <ditte> sui: this is the seventh "weird" I hear in a day. I think I'll change linux distribution
[11:12] <ditte> anything you can advise for AMD64?
[11:12] <sui> ditte: sry, normaly that should work
[11:12] <main2> kubuntu64
[11:12] <main2> :+
[11:12] <ditte> I'm on kubuntu64 now. Doesn't work
[11:12] <main2> kubutun roxx0rs ur b0xxors brother..
[11:12] <main2> oops, sorry girl..
[11:13] <sui> ditte: oh, you won't ask me. i'm very familiar with gentoo and like this distri very much
[11:13] <ditte> christ, I used VAX'es which gave fewer problems
[11:13] <main2> ditte: if ur on 64.. then you should use a 64bit linux distro yes..
[11:13] <main2> ive used a 64bit distro on my turion64(laptop).. its lightning fast
[11:13] <ditte> oh, fast it is fast
[11:14] <main2> (i used slamd64, but thats not official - and i DO NOT recommend you to use it)
[11:14] <ditte> gives me error messages at an enviable rate
[11:14] <main2> ditte, if you used vax'es - then u must be old :P
[11:14] <main2> you used vms?
[11:16] <ditte> main: well, let's say my university didn't believe in updating hardware that much:)
[11:17] <main2> =)
[11:17] <larson9999> i'm thinking you should use 32bit if you have an amd64 unless you don't mind some work ahead
[11:18] <Vegeta> How can I close an Adept application? Because I can't acces the "Add/Remove Programs" or Synaptic, because it says that some Adept Application is running. How do I know whta it is and kill it?
[11:18] <ditte> larson9999: is the distribution buggy?
[11:18] <main2> larson9999: i disagree - why use 32bit, if there are 64bit distro's which are WAY faster
[11:18] <main2> unless you have a 'band' (am i saying that right;) with the distro
[11:18] <larson9999> ditte: well, reading about it, i don't hear anything that makes me want to try.  all i read about is heartache and pain at this point
[11:19] <larson9999> main2 which 64bit distro do you recommend?
[11:19] <main2> ditte: you tried kubuntu64?
[11:19] <main2> if its buggy - give Ubuntu64 a spin..
[11:19] <ditte> larson9999: well, you can add my heartaches and pains...I think I'll be off to windows until they come out with something that works
[11:19] <main2> you can always install KDE on it :P
[11:20] <ditte> main: I *am* on kubuntu64, I insist
[11:20] <llxcamxll> dragon ball z
[11:20] <alessandro> hallo
[11:20] <srdjant> ooh kubuntu has a 64 bit build?
[11:20] <main2> larson9999: gentoo?
[11:20] <ditte> it sucks like nothing I've ever tried since a mid-90's distribution of Mandrake which generally didn't even make it through installation
[11:21] <main2> just use a official 64bit distro, no 'homebrewn' thingies.... .......... ;)
[11:21] <alessandro> who could help me how to find and install filezilla su ubuntu?
[11:21] <main2> ditte: why dont you try ubuntu64?
[11:21] <larson9999> main2: gentoo is painful enough for someone swithing from windows
[11:21] <ditte> main2: I sort of like KDE...besides, it's the same thing just with a different front
[11:22] <ditte> goign to have the same bugs
[11:22] <main2> http://www.klid.dk/homeftp/ubuntu-cd/6.06/
[11:22] <main2> can you name some of the bugs ur running up to?
[11:22] <ditte> well, good night people...I'll see you in 6 months or so when they come out with a stable version
[11:23] <ditte> thanks for the help, however
[11:23] <Ash-Fox> If you want to run kubuntu on hardware without problems, then buy the right hardware. http://system76.com/
[11:23] <main2> hahahaha =)
[11:23] <Vegeta> Why can I now acces the Synaptic or Add/Remove Programs? It says another process is using the package system. How can I see wich process it is and kill it?
[11:23] <Ash-Fox> (As a example of a company that sells hardware tha works under Linux properly)
[11:23] <alessandro> filezilla ?
[11:24] <ditte> Ash: yeah right, I'm going to buy a PC which doesn't tell you how much RAM it has, and then run on it an OS that takes 700 Mb just to stay alive...smart idea
[11:25] <Ash-Fox> ditte, don't know what you're talking about. I can see the specifications just fine.
[11:25] <ditte> Ash: well, you can customize it, but I think the basic version had 512 Mb
[11:25] <alessandro> how can I enjoy an Italian chat?
[11:26] <Ash-Fox> And the OS it self comes fully with software so you don't need to hunt down and install later, unlike windows installations.
[11:26] <ditte> that isn't enough for kubuntu by a long shot, imho
[11:26] <Ash-Fox> I ran kubuntu on a system that had 256MB ram until recently
[11:26] <Ash-Fox> I don't see the problem?
[11:26] <alessandro> a
[11:26] <Ash-Fox> (It won't slow, unless I had OOo open in the background)
[11:26] <ditte> Ash: my RAM manager says I'm using 700 Mb, and I'm only running IRC
[11:27] <main2> well
[11:27] <sniffy96> is there a way to determine what package a file was installed from?
[11:27] <ditte> well, anyhow, I'm off to bed
[11:27] <main2> then you need to ctrl+escape
[11:27] <Ash-Fox> ditte, and?
[11:27] <main2> show all processes - and find out what leaks
[11:27] <main2> ffs.. you give up way to quickly :O
[11:27] <ditte> well, anyhow. Off to bed I am. See you at the next stable release, if ever
[11:27] <sui> << afk
[11:28] <main2> bye bye girl, one day ull learn it - im sure.
[11:28] <Ash-Fox> Windows uses swap always, no matter how much ram you have, unless you specifically disable swap space, but even then windows will create a temporary one in the temp directory.
[11:28] <main2> miranda_: o_O
[11:28] <main2> another danish girl.. make my day
[11:37] <Frederick> folks does anyone here by any chance uses imagemagick?
[11:38] <lotusleaf> Frederick: what is your question?
[11:38] <Frederick> lotusleaf, I'm having a major head ache to make this -> http://www.imagemagick.org/script/magick-wand.php work on my box
[11:40] <Frederick> lotusleaf, where you sucessful?
[11:44] <intelikey> kmidi is erroring with /dev/sequencer can't be opened, probably in use.   do you recon there nay be a module i need to load ?
[11:44] <triade> anybody can tell me how i can get apt-get to do a "fuzzy" search..when I dont know the exact name?
[11:44] <triade> cant find it in man or --help
[11:44] <intelikey> triade apt-get doesn't search.  apt-cache search searches
[11:45] <triade> intelikey: huh???
[11:45] <triade> intelikey: hang on got that....just a sec
[11:46] <intelikey> apt-cache search blah   &&  sudo apt-get install blah's-exact.name
[11:47] <intelikey> if you make apt-cache any fuzzer you'll have to shave it to read it.
[11:49] <triade> intelikey: looks like I'll have to do that
[11:49] <intelikey> i think i found the module... tty24 [root@~]  modprobe snd-seq-midi
[11:49] <intelikey> triade pipe it through less.
[11:49] <intelikey> then use the search feature in less.
[11:49] <triade> intelikey: tried apt-cache search build ... that was too much
[11:50] <intelikey> build-essential
[11:50] <intelikey> !b-e
[11:50] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:50] <triade> intelikey: tried apt-cache search build|grep utils ...even that's too much :-(
[11:51] <intelikey> or use the switch in apt-cache to restrict the search to the package names rather than the name and info
[11:53] <triade> intelikey: got that....thanks.
[11:53] <intelikey> what's the differance in   echo '' > blah    and  :>blah   ?
[11:54] <triade> intelikey: you asking me?
[11:55] <intelikey> anyone
[11:56] <intelikey> i think i got it tho   echo -e "\c" > blah1 == :>blah2  != echo '' > blah3      blah1&2 are empty while blah3 has a \n in it.
[11:56] <triade> intelikey: the first one opens the shell waiting for input.
[11:57] <intelikey> oobivously you didn't get all the quotation marks the same.
[12:00] <triade> intelikey: you lost me there...wotyer trying todo?
[12:00] <intelikey> echo -e "\c" > blah1
[12:00] <intelikey> :>blah2
[12:00] <intelikey> echo '' > blah3
[12:00] <intelikey> ls -l
[12:01] <intelikey> that's the way to test that ^
[12:01] <JFreakCapo> hello everybody, anybody can help me, my wireless led don't turn on when set on the wireless card of my notbook
[12:02] <gnurante> JFreakCapo: it's a driver problem... i think!
[12:03] <intelikey> triade so if you(I) need an epmty file :>filename  but if you need an epmty file with a carrage return use echo '' > filename
[12:03] <JFreakCapo> but the wireless works perfectly, just that the led never turn on, the bluetoth led yes turn on (and off) ...
[12:03] <intelikey> i was trying to figure out why they used both under different circumstances
[12:04] <took> what is going wrong here? https://1stein.blinkenarea.org/lldrv/
[12:04] <took> what is going wrong here? https://1stein.blinkenarea.org/lldrv/
[12:04] <took> root@kubuntu23:~/Blinken/lldrv# make
[12:04] <took> make default_2.6
[12:04] <took> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/took/Blinken/lldrv'
[12:04] <took> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/build SUBDIRS=/home/took/Blinken/lldrv modules
[12:04] <took> make: Entering an unknown directory
[12:04] <took> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/build: No such file or directory.  Schluss.
[12:05] <took> make: Leaving an unknown directory
[12:05] <took> make[1] : *** [default_2.6]  Fehler 2
[12:05] <took> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/took/Blinken/lldrv'
[12:05] <took> make: *** [default]  Fehler 2
[12:05] <took> root@kubuntu23:~/Blinken/lldrv#
[12:05] <took> kernesource and build-essentials are installed...
[12:05] <triade> intelikey: right....got that! now you got me wondering. :-P
[12:05] <intelikey> took looks like no symlink in the modules dir
[12:06] <took> to where to they have to point to?
[12:06] <triade> intelikey: did you try printf as well?
[12:06] <intelikey> ln -s /your/source/dir(inturpteted) /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/build
[12:06] <intelikey> took ^
[12:07] <took> s/where to/where do/1
[12:07] <intelikey> triade no hadn't but didn't notice printf in the code i was looking at


[07:48] <dholbach> good morning
[08:39] <Silverlion> moin moin as we say here in GER
[08:40] <Unit193> Or, the name of the wiki system Ubuntu uses.
[08:41] <Silverlion> *gg* funny as usual Unit193
[08:41] <Silverlion> :D
[08:41] <Unit193> I know I'm funny looking, but is that reason to point it out?
[08:42] <Silverlion> hell no
[08:42] <Silverlion> course not
[23:35] <Myrtti> pleia2: could you remove me from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mailinglist? I've not really done much for the newsletter and I'm unlikely to do so in the future too
[23:36] <pleia2> Myrtti: ok, you were on the summary list, right?
[23:36] <Myrtti> yup
[23:36] <pleia2> ok


[08:38] <CIA-1> net-retriever: cjwatson * r347 ubuntu/debian/ (63 files in 2 dirs): merge from Debian 1.21
[08:53] <CIA-1> net-retriever: cjwatson * r348 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.21ubuntu1
[09:49] <evand> cjwatson: Now that pkl is gone, who handles squashfs bugs such as (presumably) bug 199997 ?
[10:13] <cjwatson> evand: cking I think
[10:14] <cjwatson> he used to work at Phillips with pkl, and got a briefing on it from him back then
[10:56] <xivulon> davmor2 have 1 test for you
[10:57] <davmor2> Np's what what is it?
[10:57] <xivulon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=wubi-move-to-partition
[10:57] <xivulon> sudo sh wubi-move-to-partition /dev/sda9 /dev/sda10
[10:57] <xivulon> That is a small script to migrate wubi to a dedicated partition
[10:58] <xivulon> replace sda9 with the partition which will host /. replace sda10 with the swap partition (or omit the second argument alltogether)
[10:58] <xivulon> i tried yesterday without swap partition and worked for me
[10:59] <davmor2> right I'll give it a go 10 minutes or so though just need to finish the bit I'm doing first
[10:59] <xivulon> np
[11:16] <davmor2> xivulon: with swap as well it plays up but with just sda6 for main it works
[11:17] <xivulon> a great it was a quick hack and didn't have time yesterday to test swap :P
[11:17] <xivulon> davmor2: you checked you booted to a real partition with mount, correct?
[11:17] <davmor2> xivulon: I did wubi-move-to-partition /dev/sda6 /dev/sda7 and it complained that dev/sda7 wasn't a block device
[11:18] <davmor2> yes logging in now
[11:19] <xivulon> if [ -n "$swapdev" ] && [ ! -b "$swapdev" ]; then
[11:19] <xivulon> ^ I guess that is the code that complains
[11:19] <davmor2> pass I'm no coder :)
[11:20] <xivulon> login/reboot are all good?
[11:21] <davmor2> how do you check that your on sda6?  Plus it hung at swap but I guess that is due to the issue with no swap variable
[11:21] <xivulon> cat /proc/mounts | grep sda6
[11:21] <xivulon> you should see / mounted on that
[11:22] <xivulon> you can comment swap in /etc/fstab for the time being
[11:22] <xivulon> hem I guess there will be no entry in fstab anyway...
[11:24] <davmor2> somethings not right.  I'll setup the system again It may be chaotic I needed to do a xubuntu install along side the vista one about an hour and I'll try again
[11:25] <xivulon> ok thanks
[12:43] <xivulon> evand you might also want to test the script above (in vm add an extra partition or two)
[15:11] <davmor2> xivulon: right finally back to where I can test.  I just thought do the partitions need to exist already or does the wubi-move... create them?
[15:59] <xivulon> davmor2: the partitions need to exist
[15:59] <xivulon> it does not matter if they are not formatted though
[15:59] <xivulon> also note that the script will override your MBR
[16:00] <xivulon> pointing to grub within the new partition (run grub-install and/or grub to restore it after installation)
[16:36] <davmor2> xivulon: okay ta I'll try again :)
[16:47] <davmor2> xivulon: running now I think that the swap partition was missing last time.  This time I used vista to create 2 extra partitions and now wubi-move seems to be working correctly
[16:58] <xivulon> davmor2 can you login/reboot fine? does grep -w / /proc/mounts show that you are onto the dedicated partition?
[17:01] <davmor2> there was a grub error 17 at the end of the install :( .  How ever just tried running the script again and it says /dev/sda5 in use ?
[17:02] <xivulon> davmor2: yes the script will refuse to install if a partation contains any file (for obvious reasons). So to reinstall run mkfs /dev/sda5 first
[17:03] <xivulon> mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda5
[17:03] <xivulon> (you might need to unmount /tmp/wubit* first)
[17:06] <xivulon> davmor2: you might want to append "set -x" at the beginning of the script and in case post the relevant section of the output
[17:12] <xivulon> davmor2: pls replace "gdisk=${gdisk#(}" with "gdisk=${gdisk#\(}"
[17:35] <davmor2> transferring now :)
[17:41] <davmor2> No error code this time :) rebooting now
[17:42] <davmor2> xivulon: That's done it grub has kicked in now :)
[17:42] <xivulon> davmor2: let me know if it is all good
[17:43] <xivulon> that was using ${gdisk#\(} correct?
[17:46] <davmor2> sda5 is mounted on /
[17:46] <davmor2>  :)
[17:46] <xivulon> great your the second human being having migrated wubi 8.04 to real partition
[17:46] <davmor2> I used gparted to be sure :)
[17:47] <davmor2> xivulon: I'll just run vista now and make sure that isn't screwed :)
[17:48] <xivulon> Would be cool to run the migration tool from add/remove programs "Remove Windows" :)
[17:48] <davmor2> just use gparted ;)
[17:48] <xivulon> not as kool
[17:49] <xivulon> just kidding
[17:49] <davmor2> xivulon: Vista is okay too :(
[17:49] <xivulon> I can add a couple of lines to the script to fix that too :)
[17:49] <davmor2> :D
[17:50] <davmor2> Right I'm off now any way have a good night :)
[17:51] <xivulon> (for the record) thx davmor2
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