[07:47]  * Riddell fires up an ec2 to get into the packaging mood
[07:50] <Daskreech> ha ha :)
[07:50] <Daskreech> Nothing like spare cycles for that
[08:23] <Riddell> yofel, shadeslayer: I'm doing some 4.8.2 packaging, if you want to work on it let me know and I'll update the wiki page
[09:24] <Riddell> yofel: how about using notes.kde.org instead of wiki.k.o for packaging?  I find myself not wanting to update the wiki because it's too slow
[09:26] <yofel> well, sounds good, the wiki is getting on my nerves as well
[09:40] <Riddell> yofel: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas
[09:40] <Riddell> needs lots of tidying up, that's just copy and paste, I'll sort it and the wiki page out to be nicer in a bit
[10:03] <yofel> libdebconf-kde 0.2 is out
[10:13] <afiestas_> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde4/webaccounts.so': No such file or directory
[10:13] <afiestas_> dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde4/webaccounts.so debian/webaccounts//usr/lib/kde4/ returned exit code 1
[10:14] <afiestas_> I'm getting that error when creating a package, the thing compiles just fine, even install well in debian/webaccounts folder
[10:14] <afiestas_> but all the time during the creation of the package debian/tmp folder is empty
[10:14] <afiestas_> any tip?
[10:15] <afiestas_> even more, it is never created :/
[10:15] <debfx> afiestas_: is it a source package with only one binary package?
[10:16] <afiestas_> debfx: yes
[10:16] <debfx> then it's common that the files are installed directly to debian/<pkgname>
[10:17] <afiestas_> and why it is trying to copy anything from /tmp ?
[10:17] <afiestas_> http://paste.kde.org/450956/ (control file)
[10:18] <debfx> presumably you have an install file
[10:19] <afiestas_> http://paste.kde.org/450962/
[10:21] <debfx> right, either delete the install files or tell dh_auto_install to install files into debian/tmp
[10:24] <afiestas_> debfx: thanks !
[11:55]  * shadeslayer looks into packaging
[12:01] <shadeslayer> uhh we don't have qyoto packages ? 0.o
[12:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no alas not
[12:04] <shadeslayer> but whai?
[12:05] <Riddell> I don't know of any users of those bindings so there's no motivation to redo them
[12:05] <shadeslayer> no one bothered?
[12:05] <shadeslayer> hmmm ... fair enough
[12:05] <Riddell> I was the first person to package them for any distro but when kdebindings split out they never got re-done
[12:05] <Riddell> I'd love to have them, makes me feel improper to miss out an upstream package
[12:06] <Riddell> but upstream don't even know if they want to maintain them any more for Qt 5
[12:06] <shadeslayer> understandable ... I'm not sure they're even used
[12:07] <Riddell> no they're not, who wants to use c# ? (except miguel)
[12:08] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:08] <shadeslayer> I also managed to forget how to use bzr builddeb it seems
[12:09] <Riddell> that can be used so many different ways it's not surprising you forget them
[12:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: are you doing 4.8.2 ?
[12:09] <shadeslayer> yes
[12:09] <Riddell> cos I am too
[12:10] <yofel> if you wonder about them ask Quintasan, he tried to package them and gave up
[12:10] <Riddell> hang on them, I need to update the page
[12:10] <shadeslayer> oh, are you updating the notes.kde.org link?
[12:10]  * Riddell updates it now
[12:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan is probably busy with exams and stuff
[12:11] <yofel> no, I mean he gave up on them back a year ago
[12:11] <yofel> they're a mess
[12:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: updated, you're good on rocs I havn't touched it
[12:14] <yofel> bbl
[12:15] <apachelogger> baeh
[12:15] <apachelogger> <--- migraine
[12:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: when is the next freeze?
[12:15]  * Riddell prescribes irn bru to apachelogger
[12:15] <apachelogger> <3
[12:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: kernel freeze on friday! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule?action=show&redirect=PreciseReleaseSchedule
[12:16] <Riddell> watch out for that one KDE packagers!
[12:16] <Riddell> final freeze on april 12th https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/PreciseReleaseSchedule
[12:16] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:16] <Riddell> there's some e-mails I need to read discussing the details of how that'll happen
[12:16] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:17] <Quintasan> Yeah, shadeslayer and yofel are both right
[12:17] <Quintasan> We are talking about qyoto, aren't we?
[12:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: not just qyoto
[12:17] <shadeslayer> all them bindings
[12:17] <apachelogger> I think I'll defer splash screen to a day where my head is not feeling like a water bomb
[12:18] <apachelogger> unless yofel finds the time to package the splash background
[12:18] <Riddell> I think that's a hint for yofel :)
[12:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: qyoto, when I last looked at it, was a hell of a package and not even the foo masters in #debian-qt-kde had a clear idea of how to do it
[12:18] <Quintasan> Or I was asking wrong people for tips
[12:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: have lots of water and go for a nice walk, computers and migraines are unlikely to be a good combination
[12:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: yah, though I'd rather get the splash stuff done
[12:19] <apachelogger> :(
[12:19] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes I had to go to the c# team in debian for expertese when I did it years ago but there's no pressing need to get it done so we should concentrate on the things we do have need of
[12:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: Mmkay, I might tackle on them next cycle and when I am after exam
[12:20] <Quintasan> Last month of doing anything.
[12:21] <apachelogger> yofel: if you find the time ... I would simply remove the install of the default theme from workspace and instead make a new package kde-splash-theme-ariya containing the preview/theme.rc and the 800x600 version which is installed to the plymouth kubuntu-logo themedir and symlinked to the splash location
[12:21] <apachelogger> then an additional -extra package to contain the other resolutions
[12:22] <apachelogger> then we basically just need to upload kds and the new splashes are in
[12:22] <apachelogger> if you don't find the time I'll do it tomorrow or sometime or something
[12:23] <Riddell> Quintasan: by next cycle we'll be on qt 5 and it'll be a non issue (well I can dream)
[12:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: That's one problem less :P
[12:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, I do believe that some C# person should maintain that package really
[12:24] <apachelogger> completely impossible for a person without the knowledge to do it right
[12:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: might be an idea, the debian c# team did want to look after it back in the day and I did say it would be better under the debian qt/kde team but maybe I was wrong
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: now that it is a split tar it should be fine
[12:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: we'll just need to give them a poke when a new version gets released I suppose
[12:25] <apachelogger> anyhow
[12:25] <apachelogger> -> out
[12:37] <peace> just installed kubuntu form ubuntu minimal + kde-full
[12:37] <peace> rebooted and blackscreen
[12:37] <peace> intel 945gm
[12:37] <peace> ok seems its persistent
[12:41] <Riddell> peace: you can ask for user help in #kubuntu and #ubuntu+1 or you can ask for developer help and be told "install the right package and file a bug with the right logs"
[12:42] <peace> sure
[12:46] <Riddell> hmm, was I too unfriendly?
[12:51] <Riddell> hi toscalix_, congrats on your amazing election victory!
[12:53] <toscalix_> Riddell: thanks
[12:53] <toscalix_> :-)
[12:53] <toscalix_> I'm proud and honored
[13:02] <apol> :)
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Errors were encountered while processing: monodoc-base
[13:11] <BluesKaj> should I worry about this error ^
[13:11] <BluesKaj> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[13:12] <BluesKaj> that looks serious to me,  /usr/bin/ erroring out on mono
[13:14] <BluesKaj> ran dpkg --configure -a , returned no error , ran update/upgrade again ,so maybe I'm ok
[13:25] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/rocs] Rohan Garg * 26 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[13:29] <Riddell> BluesKaj: shrug, not a kubuntu question
[13:32] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  yeah , sorry I posted in the wrong channel
[13:35] <Riddell> hi bulldog98
[13:43] <peace> mah call to lnusertemp failded
[13:43] <yofel> apachelogger: you'll have to do it, I'll be absent for the next few days (until monday probably)
[13:44] <peace> BluesKaj: do you ever see that error on login?
[13:44] <Riddell> yofel: going on a week long rave?
[13:45] <yofel> well, more like 1/3 business trip, 1/3 visiting relatives over easter and 1/3 actually taking a few days off
[13:49] <BluesKaj> peace,  no , if it's not a major error then I suppose not since ai use auto login
[13:54] <peace> BluesKaj: for some reasons installing kubuntu 12.04 has not set permission well on my home
[13:55] <BluesKaj> peace,  what's the problem , constantly being asked for password in /home ?
[13:56] <peace> nope can't write on the disk
[13:56] <peace> so no applications can work :D
[13:56] <peace> i have never seee this
[13:58] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/step] Rohan Garg * 25 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[14:02] <shadeslayer> wait
[14:02] <Riddell> disk errors mean it can mount read-only
[14:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is anything left?
[14:03] <shadeslayer> ( for packaging )
[14:03] <shadeslayer> ksecrets?
[14:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm working on the last ones
[14:03] <Riddell> ksecrets is broken, don't package it
[14:03] <Riddell> (I've packages in experimental PPA)
[14:03] <shadeslayer> ok, in that case we're done I think
[14:03] <Riddell> no we're not!
[14:03] <Riddell> needs testing
[14:03] <Riddell> then needs oneiric packages
[14:04] <Riddell> if we can remember what changes were needed for oneiric last time as can just do those in batch and throw them up
[14:04] <shadeslayer> right, I'll have to leave the laptop on the entire night to test :P
[14:04] <Riddell> or work out how to get vnc working with ec2 ?
[14:05] <peace> fixed BluesKaj
[14:05] <shadeslayer> uhh ... hmm can't you use X over ssh?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> I remember seeing a option to do that
[14:05] <peace> BluesKaj: the user test was already present on the old kubuntu 12.04 test installation :D
[14:05] <shadeslayer> yup, you can
[14:06] <BluesKaj> user test, peace?
[14:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes but it's too slow
[14:07] <Riddell> VNC is designed for the job much better but I've never used it really
[14:08] <peace> BluesKaj: i have 2 partitions , the old one had a user called test
[14:08] <peace> BluesKaj: when i have installed the new 12.04 again in the second partition i used again test like user
[14:08] <peace> username
[14:08] <BluesKaj> peace, ok
[14:09] <peace> btw the error was not clear
[14:09] <peace> for me
[14:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you probably have a faster connection for VNC really, I'm on a measly 512 Kbps right now
[14:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: probably but I've no idea how to use it as I say :)
[14:16]  * shadeslayer goes off to check why tp-qt4 FTBFS's
[14:16]  * Riddell is due to get a fibre optic connection tomorrow, then I'll be only half the speed of jussi!
[14:22]  * BluesKaj has access to fibre optic connection , but the cable co won't install it without mandatory basic cable tv service , which I don't want or need
[14:26] <shadeslayer> I'll probably switch to a better plan sometime this month ( 12Mbps up/down for the first 25 GB's, 1 Mbps afterwards )
[14:31] <BluesKaj> oops , I was wrong, they advertise stand alone 40mbs for $64/mos plus $5/for modem rental , that's a bit pricey
[14:32] <BluesKaj> 100GB max per month
[14:33] <shadeslayer> That's reasonable, even apachelogger won't be able to hit that limit with his prn and Doctor Who
[14:35] <shadeslayer> wheee .. tarball respins
[14:36] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer,  I doubt that those speeds are ever realized. Internet providers always fuge their DL speeds based on unrealistic no traffic situations
[14:37] <BluesKaj> err fudge
[14:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you're on kde-packager right?  can you check we have the latest of everything?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> yep, I'm kind of hard time figuring how my ISP plans to provide 12 Mbps over ADSL2+
[14:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sure will do
[14:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I have 16Mbps over ADSL2+ now
[14:38] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[14:38] <Riddell> it just depends on the distance to the exchange
[14:39] <Riddell> and tomorrow I'll get ADSL2+ to an exchange at the end of my road which it's claimed will be 40Mbps
[14:39] <shadeslayer> aha, ADSL2 has a theoretical max of 8 Mbps
[14:39] <shadeslayer> ADSL2+ can go between 12 and 24 Mbps
[14:39] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  what kind of price ?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> 40Mbps ... what the hell are you people trying to do? Setup a data center?
[14:40] <Riddell> BluesKaj: for fibre?  £36/month + phone line at £12 a month
[14:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: talk to jussi
[14:40] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  not bad , seems about the same as here
[14:41] <Riddell> he has about 100Mbps and he's out in rural area near the north pole
[14:41] <shadeslayer> @_@
[14:41] <shadeslayer> Clearly I should relocate
[14:42] <Riddell> flat above is for sale, only £155,000 to become my neighbour, then you can borrow my wifi signal :)
[14:42] <peace> btw icontask is not installed  after sudo apt-get install plasma-widget-*
[14:42] <BluesKaj> Riddell, , shadeslayer , yes but you know how electrons move much faster in cold media
[14:42] <shadeslayer> hehe
[14:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sure, once I win the lottery :P
[14:43] <Riddell> oh that's easy to do, I have about £10,000 coming from the lottery next month
[14:43] <Riddell> the trick to winning the lottery is not to play (that's just a tax on stupidity) but to apply for grants for your poor deprived sports club (my social duty to put the stupid people's money to good use)
[14:44] <jussi> meh, I moved and dont have such great connection anymore.
[14:44] <Riddell> jussi: what you only have 50Mbps?
[14:44] <jussi> nah, its 3rd world standard now
[14:44] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  well, ask lottery winners if they're stupid )
[14:44] <jussi> 2Mbps
[14:45] <jussi> BluesKaj: have you ever seen what a lottery winner spends it on?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> I'm sorta in the boonies so i'm stuck with 800kbs
[14:46] <Riddell> jussi: gosh really?  did you move across the border to russia?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> yeah , my neigbour won a million in cancer research lottery and he moved around the cornet to a slight bigger and nicer house , but he's doing well, still working etc
[14:47] <shadeslayer> There's too much money in the world ...
[14:47] <Riddell> so he's happy to take money from cancer research?  that's not just stupid, that's mean
[14:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: try telling that to my neighbour Fred Goodwin
[14:48]  * shadeslayer doesn't know who that is
[14:48] <Riddell> used to run the world's biggest bank
[14:48] <shadeslayer> "Goodwin's knighthood, awarded in 2004 for "services to banking", was "cancelled and annulled" on 1 February 2012."
[14:48] <Riddell> then it went bust, he still has a stupidly large house and got a nice payoff from the government
[14:48] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:49] <BluesKaj> well, his wife passed away from cancer ...better him the the sam artists who adminster that thst so called research org ...here about 80% of the money collected never reeaches the researchers
[14:49] <BluesKaj> scam
[14:52] <yofel> hm, who's updating kde-workspace and kdepim-runtime?
[14:52] <yofel> kdesdk is already done
[14:53] <yofel> konsole too, I used the new tars
[14:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer is?
[14:53] <yofel> ah, right
[14:53] <Riddell> that was a hint :)
[14:53]  * yofel does kdepim
[14:53] <yofel> doesn't seem like dirk wants to respin that
[14:55] <peace> bespin isnot packaged?
[14:55] <yofel> what's bespin?
[14:56] <Riddell> sounds like a widget theme
[14:56] <yofel> hm, now that you mention it..
[14:56] <Peace-> kde style bespin
[14:56] <Peace-> i guess
[14:57] <debfx> sounds more like star wars
[14:57] <shadeslayer> yep, kdepim-runtime is done
[14:58]  * shadeslayer is going to upload it in a minute
[15:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can you do kde-workspace too?
[15:00] <Peace-> Riddell: but icontask is not anymore on kubuntu repo ?
[15:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: syre
[15:00] <shadeslayer> *sure
[15:00] <Peace-> i have install kdeplasma-addons and plasma-widget-*
[15:01] <Peace-> but it's not into
[15:01] <debfx> it's in plasma-widgets-addons
[15:01] <Peace-> i can not install that
[15:01] <Peace-> i have not on my repo
[15:02] <Riddell> Peace-: I don't know what that is
[15:02] <Peace-> debfx: ok ihave tthat package
[15:03] <yofel> Riddell: the icon only task manager
[15:03] <Peace-> debfx: but i was not able to see icontask even after kbuildsycoca4
[15:03] <Riddell> oh that's a curious thing, why not just make it an option in the normal task manager?
[15:03] <Riddell> (I wonder)
[15:03] <Peace-> Riddell: that would be nice
[15:04] <Peace-> debfx: anyway i have no problem i have my  little package that works
[15:04] <yofel> Peace-: you do have /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_icontasks.so ?
[15:04] <Peace-> yofel: well now yes i have used my personal package
[15:04] <yofel> k
[15:07] <Peace-> btw i have create a tool to install via get hot new stuff service menu that are not well integrated or have not a installer
[15:07] <jussi> Riddell: I moved to a road that literally is named "Middle of nowhere st"
[15:07] <Riddell> jussi: isn't slow internet a crime against human rights in Finland?
[15:08] <jussi> Riddell: only slower than 1 Mbps
[15:18] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepim-runtime] Rohan Garg * 103 * debian/changelog Upstream respun the tarballs
[15:19]  * yofel is somewhat starting to like kmail again
[15:20] <Peace-> yofel: is working again ?
[15:20] <yofel> I'm back to mysql though for akonadi, postgresql is too inconsistent performance wise
[15:20] <yofel> Peace-: works for me, except that I can't use 'Del' to move things to trash
[15:20] <yofel> akonadi-google 0.3 / libkgoogle seems to work fine too :D
[15:20] <Peace-> good
[15:21]  * yofel uses disconnected IMAP for kmail
[15:21] <Peace-> yofel:  you do packages right '
[15:21] <Peace-> ?
[15:21] <yofel> right (or for what do you mean?)
[15:22] <Peace-> yofel: i am doing a debian package
[15:22] <Peace-> but there is something that i am missing
[15:22] <Peace-> i mean i have made a package that conflits and replace another one
[15:23] <Peace-> but it seems that after i have installed my own package there is still some config file of the other package
[15:23] <BluesKaj> kmail/akonadi don't seem to work on my setup ...errors galore , akondi can't connect to my ISP which uses a hotmail server "pophm"
[15:24] <yofel> Peace-: conffiles (i.e. stuff in /etc) aren't removed when a package is removed, only on purge
[15:24] <yofel> does it cause problems?
[15:25] <Peace-> yofel: well it should not
[15:25] <Peace-> but i would like do a purge
[15:28] <Riddell> fabo!  "Qt 5.0 alpha released"
[15:28] <fabo> Riddell: :)
[15:28] <yofel> Peace-: hm, not sure how to do that, other than with package scripts
[15:30] <Peace-> yofel: you mean with postscript?
[15:30] <Peace-> postinst
[15:31] <shadeslayer> yup, but then you're messing with a system without the explicit approval of the person installing your package
[15:31] <yofel> yeah, but that feels messy
[15:31] <Peace-> i have even to undestand how to replace the bashrc
[15:32] <yofel> rather leave the files there, or re-own them by the new package if they have an effect
[15:32] <Peace-> i guess i should use divert
[15:32] <shadeslayer> kde-workspace takes forever to checkout
[15:33] <yofel> heh, I wonder what's in the history to make it that large
[15:33] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[15:34] <yofel> kgetsource could make lightweight checkouts I guess
[15:34] <shadeslayer> oh are those like using --depth with git clone ?
[15:34] <yofel> those are a bit of a pain though
[15:35] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, more like it only does an svn-like checkout, but then requires a network connection to just run bzr diff etc.
[15:35] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:37] <shadeslayer> uh yeah, I don't think kde-workspace is making any progress
[15:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how do you mean?
[15:38] <shadeslayer>  16184kB    69kB/s \ Fetching revisions:Inserting stream:Estimate 1879/6736 < Stuck at that for the past 5 minutes
[15:38] <shadeslayer> maybe that revision is huge
[15:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh context, I meant the packaging branch is taking forever to download ...
[15:40]  * shadeslayer yawns
[15:40] <Riddell> ec2 available on request
[15:43] <yofel> bzr branch --bind --stacked would be reasonable, but that would need a repository upgrade for the old ones http://paste.kde.org/451232
[15:43]  * yofel deems it too much work
[15:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any ideas what the numbers after 'Estimate' mean?
[15:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where?
[15:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: in bzr branch : Estimate 1879/6736
[15:59] <shadeslayer> yofel: bzr be broken on yer thinkpad : http://paste.kde.org/451256/
[16:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can I get that ec2?
[16:00] <shadeslayer> I don't think my internet is stable enough for this checkout to complege
[16:00] <shadeslayer> *complete
[16:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 1 processor or two?
[16:00] <shadeslayer> single will do
[16:01] <DWonderly> I might need to use the ec2 when I'm ready to package the docs... I only have a 32gig SSD in my laptop
[16:01] <yofel> shadeslayer: fun
[16:01] <DWonderly> and my server went kuput again.
[16:01] <Daskreech> DWonderly: I read that 4 times a 32Gig of RAM in your laptop
[16:02] <jjesse> so did i
[16:02] <DWonderly> LOL
[16:02] <DWonderly> The SSD was a gift. it extended my battery life by almost an hour.
[16:02] <DWonderly> boot time is better too
[16:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:04] <shadeslayer> this one has a weird shell
[16:05]  * yofel should probably just upgrade his server to precise
[16:05] <yofel> it's already a weird oneiric / precise mix
[16:05] <shadeslayer> surely you mean it's a weird sid/oneiric/precise mix
[16:05] <yofel> ah, forgot about that
[16:05] <yofel> add not-really-working daily builds of bzr to that
[16:06] <yofel> bbl
[16:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that's my normal shell setup!
[16:07] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: just looked funky/different from all the other ec2 machines I've used
[16:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah my script now copies my .bashrc so I feel right at home on it
[16:08] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:10] <jussi> so, where should bugs in precise be reported to?
[16:10] <jussi> (and coudl someon come up with text for a factoid on this...)
[16:10] <shadeslayer> launchpad? :P
[16:11] <shadeslayer> herp derp
[16:11] <shadeslayer> W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_main_source_Sources  Hash Sum mismatch
[16:11] <shadeslayer> :/
[16:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: seems they have a buggy server
[16:12] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:12] <Riddell> I did s,us-east-1.ec2.,,
[16:13] <Riddell> hey shadeslayer, try this
[16:13] <Riddell> vnc://ec2-50-17-135-186.compute-1.amazonaws.com:5901
[16:13] <Riddell> in krdc
[16:13] <shadeslayer> It's asking for my password
[16:14] <shadeslayer> and the password I put in doesn't work :P
[16:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: foobar i think
[16:16] <shadeslayer> yay
[16:16] <shadeslayer> working
[16:16] <Riddell> good thing this channel is publically logged
[16:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can you see desktop settings open?
[16:16] <shadeslayer> just horribly horribly slow
[16:16] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:16] <Riddell> cool so you can see the same thing I can see
[16:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can you control the mouse?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> barely
[16:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can you close that dialogue?
[16:17] <Riddell> because I can't, the click is like I'm holding down alt so itjust moves the window
[16:17] <Riddell> yeah you have the same thing
[16:17] <Riddell> a weird bug somewhere
[16:17] <shadeslayer> yeah same thing
[16:18] <Riddell> k-menu opens on click but I can't select anything in it
[16:18] <shadeslayer> oh there we go
[16:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what did you do?
[16:18] <shadeslayer> not sure what I did differently
[16:18] <shadeslayer> I just kept on clicking
[16:18] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can you launch something from the k-menu?
[16:19] <Riddell> well done!
[16:19] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:19] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: any idea how to get alt-f2 krunner to work without doing the local one on your system?
[16:20]  * shadeslayer tries
[16:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: see "Grab Keys" at the top?
[16:21] <shadeslayer> shouldn't that grab inputs?
[16:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I would think so but it doesn't help
[16:22] <shadeslayer> weird
[16:23] <Riddell> well with k-menu somehow working that's not an issue
[16:23] <shadeslayer> plus I have custom keybindings for krunner, which is why pressing alt+f2 doesn't bring it up on my local machine
[16:24] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:24] <rohanRiddell> hello channel!
[16:25] <rohanRiddell> this vnc thing is uber nifty!
[16:25] <shadeslayer> wait which dialogue?
[16:25] <rohanRiddell> but only if rohan stops stealing the mouse
[16:25] <rohanRiddell> lol
[16:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: who said anything about a dialogue?
[16:26] <shadeslayer> O_O
[16:26] <shadeslayer> I must be see'ing things
[16:26] <rohanRiddell> how come it captures normal keystrokes
[16:26] <rohanRiddell> but not alt+F2
[16:27] <Riddell> rohanRiddell: I've no idea
[16:27] <Riddell> anyhoo, this is 4.8.2, is it working?
[16:27] <Riddell> can we sign off on the testing?
[16:28] <shadeslayer> I guess
[16:28] <shadeslayer> ok I've gtg for dinner, will come back for kde-workspace
[16:28] <Riddell> bon appetit
[16:29] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  4.8.2 works here , a few small crashes here and there
[16:38] <Riddell> kontact working in 4.8.2 for my e-mail!
[16:41] <shadeslayer> argh
[16:41] <shadeslayer> bzr want's my ssh keys :/
[16:41] <shadeslayer> Permission denied (publickey).
[16:42] <Riddell> in launchpad?
[16:42]  * shadeslayer just dgets kde-workspace
[16:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: on the ec2
[16:42] <Riddell> oh you can copy your keys but make sure I don't have access when you do
[16:42] <Riddell> make sure to kick me and my key off it (without removing yours)
[16:43]  * shadeslayer is not too confident copying his private key anywhere except his laptop and his backup drive
[16:44] <Riddell> you can use debsign for signing things remotely but I've not found a way to do bzr+ssh remotely like that
[16:44] <shadeslayer> yeah, trying to think how to do ths
[16:44] <shadeslayer> *thuis
[16:44] <shadeslayer> arg
[16:45] <shadeslayer> can't I checkout without having to authenticate?
[16:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: sure
[16:45] <shadeslayer> how?
[16:45] <Riddell> bzr co lp:thing should just work with http if it needs to
[16:46] <shadeslayer> doesn't
[16:46] <Riddell> but that's not different from just apt-get source from the PPA if they're in sync
[16:46] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:47] <shadeslayer> I'll just apt-get source it then
[16:49] <tsimpson> lp: is a "shortcut" to use the bzr+ssh:// URLs, you need to just get the http URL
[16:50] <Riddell> it's a bit more than that I'm pretty sure, it falls back to http but I think only for bzr branch not checkout
[17:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you shut down that ec2
[17:08] <shadeslayer> I checked out the bzr branch using --lightweight
[17:08] <shadeslayer> or should I just sudo halt it?
[17:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: try sudo  poweroff
[17:30] <shadeslayer> done
[17:32] <yofel> btw. I did some work on that package bug filing script https://gist.github.com/2243256 - works overall, just the description is *short*
[17:35] <shadeslayer> hmm .. strigi is FTBFS
[17:35]  * shadeslayer fixes
[17:36] <jussi> shadeslayer: can you make akonadi ftbfs.... permanently? :P :P
[17:36] <shadeslayer> jussi: sure, but that means you won't get any fixes/improvements that upstream releases
[17:36] <yofel> nah, strigi is enough
[17:37] <shadeslayer> the easiest way to ftbfs something is to remove cmake :P
[17:37] <jussi> bwaahahahha
[17:37] <yofel> you can probably work around that :P
[17:38] <shadeslayer> probably ... :)
[17:38] <shadeslayer> write makefiles by hand? :D
[17:38] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, we will make you do it :P
[17:39] <jussi> bwahahahahahahhahahah!
[17:39]  * shadeslayer runs away
[17:53] <DWonderly> We could get nixternal to do it.
[17:55] <yofel> that would mean it would really be FTBFS permanently
[17:56] <Riddell> DWonderly: to do which?
[17:57] <DWonderly> Riddell: Write makefiles. :D
[17:58] <yofel> he could go to MoDaX for questions. He wrote the makefile for qtscriptgenerator
[18:08] <mgraesslin> any neon experts around?
[18:09] <yofel> mgraesslin: hm?
[18:09] <mgraesslin> yofel: would it be possible to have KDE defaults in neon?
[18:09] <mgraesslin> instead of kubuntu-default-settings
[18:10] <yofel> theoretically  yes, I would need to patch KDE to ignore /etc/kde4rc
[18:10] <mgraesslin> that would be very useful if we want users to point to neon to perform 4.9 testing
[18:11] <yofel> I'll note that down, but can't give a promise until when it's done
[18:11] <mgraesslin> and another thing: would it be possible to create a daily VM image based on neon?
[18:11] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: we discussed that iirc
[18:11] <yofel> shadeslayer: you looked at that, didn't you?
[18:11] <shadeslayer> but there was no conclusive proof that people would actually want that
[18:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: yes
[18:12] <mgraesslin> we will never know if nobody tries it
[18:12] <shadeslayer> Plus, we'd need a cdimage server to host that stuff and a resources to build a image every day/week
[18:13] <shadeslayer> I made a poll and all iirc
[18:13] <yofel> well, at least some dedicated server for that, my server can't handle that
[18:14] <shadeslayer> yep ^
[18:14] <mgraesslin> maybe kde-sysadmins could help
[18:14] <mgraesslin> that would be a real advantage in my opinion for beta testing
[18:15] <shadeslayer> I never quite figured out how to use Google Docs to make forms, so here's a text only version : http://paste.kde.org/451382/
[18:15] <shadeslayer> specifically, last question
[18:16] <mgraesslin> I guess there are many KDE users who would love to have daily packages but are not using Kubuntu
[18:16] <Riddell> a VM image and/or an ec2 image for neon would be uber cool
[18:16] <shadeslayer> yep, but I don't have a shred of knowledge how RPM packaging works ....
[18:17] <Riddell> but I don't know where to start on it
[18:17] <shadeslayer> so we need people who have a expertise in that area to expand Neon to SuSE/Fedora/Redhat
[18:17] <yofel> hm, a VM image would be doable
[18:17] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: exactly, that's why a VM would be great for all those OpenSUSE users
[18:17] <mgraesslin> and maybe they start to love Kubuntu :-)
[18:18] <Riddell> mgraesslin: slap it on wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSQSeries
[18:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: lets hatch a conspiracy to convert all them SuSE people to Kubuntu
[18:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: +1 :D
[18:18] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: thanks for the evil plan
[18:18] <mgraesslin> :-)
[18:19] <shadeslayer> yeah, sounds right, Discuss at UDS, implement before/during akademy
[18:19] <mgraesslin> personally I have a VM and have thought about updating it myself and spend some money to host on Amazon S3
[18:19] <jussi> screw suse, lets get the rest of the users (windows, mac etc)
[18:20] <shadeslayer> jussi: then we have too many users
[18:20] <Riddell> jussi: good point, we shouldn't aim to hurt suse, they're our friends
[18:20] <jussi> shadeslayer: hah!
[18:20]  * shadeslayer is always afraid that we'll get too many users
[18:20] <shadeslayer> then instead of developing stuff we'll be stuck answering support questions :P
[18:20] <jussi> Riddell: yeah, our crazy, strange friends, but we still like them
[18:21] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: we would completely fail everywhere if our userbase would double tomorrow
[18:21] <jussi> shadeslayer: meh, its kubuntu, people dont need support :P
[18:21] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: exactly
[18:21]  * mgraesslin still wants the bugtracker to be closed for exactly THAT reason
[18:21] <shadeslayer> I'd see at the very least a 100 bug reports bashing nepomuk
[18:22] <yofel> mgraesslin: lol, just be happy we require accounts unlike debian ^^
[18:22] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: I think it should be partially closed with people earning 'points' for reporting a bug that is later on confirmed
[18:22] <yofel> then again, they require mails
[18:22] <shadeslayer> and then they can report more bugs
[18:22] <shadeslayer> the more points you have, the more bugs you can report
[18:22] <mgraesslin> the wiki doesn't like me :-(
[18:22] <shadeslayer> the wiki doesn't like anyone
[18:22] <yofel> mgraesslin: if you get a 500, use wiki.ubuntu.com
[18:23] <mgraesslin> I cannot log in
[18:23] <yofel> the redirect is somewhat broken
[18:23] <yofel> ah, that's moin moin then, that doesn't like anyone
[18:26] <mgraesslin> finally
[18:31] <shadeslayer> btw I'm building strigi on the armboxen if no one is working on them
[18:32] <shadeslayer> kde-workspace updated as well
[18:41] <shadeslayer> wth
[18:41] <shadeslayer> bunzip2: I/O or other error, bailing out.  Possible reason follows.
[18:41] <shadeslayer> bunzip2: Broken pipe
[18:55] <Riddell> http://blogs.kde.org/node/4558  "Ubuntu and VNC on EC2"
[18:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's that from?
[19:07] <ScottK> Riddell: FYI, won't work if desktop effects are enabled. It's probably not an issue in this case.
[19:15] <Riddell> ScottK: VNC?  you mean locally or on the ec2 server?
[19:16] <Tm_T> 2211.59 < new2net> excellent work on Kubuntu, as advertised, it just works. Keep it up
[19:37] <dantti> Riddell: hey, how much do you pay by month on that ec2?
[19:39] <Riddell> dantti: with my credit card then canonical refunds me when I expense it at the end of the month
[19:39] <Riddell> oh how much
[19:39] <Riddell> depends on the month
[19:40] <Riddell> a bill just came in, let me look
[19:42] <Riddell> dantti: $26.21 in March http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/aws.pdf
[19:42] <Riddell> but it varies a lot depend on what we happen to use that month
[19:43] <Riddell> if I forget to terminate an 8CPU machine overnight then it costs a lot more :)
[19:43] <ScottK> Riddell: On the remote system (in this case the EC2)
[19:44] <dantti> Riddell: right, well wehn I was searching for a server the one that seemed more atractive was from 1and1, it's more expensive but the value is fixed which don't gives you surprise in the end..
[19:45] <dantti> Riddell: it might be a better choice for you since it's a dedicated server with VM cpu capabilities..
[19:46] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm kwin is usually very good at turning that off if it can't handle it, in this case I didn't notice any issue
[19:46] <dantti> $59 btw, an AMD opteron 2.4, with 2gb of ram, my father in law hired another one paying 69, which is 2.6ghz and 4gb of ram, check that out if you see the bill/use growing..
[19:46] <Riddell> dantti: oh I don't think it's very good if you need it online 24/7 for a e.g. a web server
[19:46] <Riddell> dantti: it's only good if you need a server for a random hour or three
[19:47] <dantti> Riddell: yes, I was afraid of the bill at the end of the month..
[19:47] <Riddell> $57 a month for their cheap EC2 server
[19:48] <ScottK> OK.  A friend of mine who's mother runs Ubuntu was complaining he had trouble VNCing into his mother's computer for troubleshooting now.
[19:48] <Riddell> but that's not what cloud is for, it's for being able to expand easily so if you find your server overloaded you can fire up a dozen more no problem
[19:49] <Riddell> ScottK: without knowning the issue I would instinctively blame Ubuntu's compositing and suggest using Kubuntu :)
[19:56] <ScottK> Riddell: I have done that.
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> ^re: the topic change, ximion's uploaded debconf-kde 0.2 & we're awaiting a sync request
[22:42] <ximion> as soon as it is publicly accessible on Debian, I'll file the request
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> thanks :)
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> (I changed the topic so nobody would go ahead and duplicate the already-done packaging work) :P
[22:43] <ximion> hehe :)
[22:43] <ximion> thanks :)
[22:43] <ximion> I hate it when people do duplicate work
[22:44] <ximion> (and I also dislike Ubuntu deltas on my packages - there are options to upstream Ubuntu changes easily, in most cases)
[22:44] <ximion> the pkg will be public in a few hours, the build servers already catched it :)
[22:46] <ximion> oh sh*
[22:46] <ximion> the symbols file has issues in i386
[22:58] <Riddell> lovely, thanks ximion
[23:21] <Riddell> yofel: ok if I upload 4.8.2 to precise?
[23:22] <yofel> did you upload sweeper and superkaramba to the ppa? you've marked them as done, but I only see 4.8.1 in apt
[23:24] <yofel> hm, no, not in PPA
[23:24] <yofel> otherwise go ahead
[23:26] <Riddell> hum
[23:32] <Riddell> yofel: can you remember what changed needed to be made for oneiric in 4.8.1?
[23:34] <yofel> I'm not sure if there's anything left that needs changes
[23:34] <Riddell> yeah I don't see anything in ninjas from 4.8.1
[23:35] <yofel> ark was adjusted in precise and backports fine, and kde-workspace can be backported fine too since 4.8.1
[23:36] <Riddell> yofel: ok I'll throw it into ~kubuntu-ppa/backports for oneiric
[23:36] <yofel> uh wait
[23:36] <yofel> rather build in ninjas or staging and copy later
[23:37] <yofel> not all users actually check what dist-upgrade does before running it, and just uploading everything results in quite a few build failures that need to be retried
[23:37] <Riddell> good point
[23:38] <Riddell> fabo: seen "In Qt 4.8.0 and 4.8.1 there is a crash bug" ?
[23:38] <Riddell> "patch to qt 4.8 required for Calligra"
[23:42]  * yofel is off to bed -  gn
[23:43] <Riddell> ciao


[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:03] <fgimenez> good morning
[08:09] <seb128> shrug
[08:09] <seb128> u-d-f on personal fails with a "failed to find user uid/gid" :-/
[08:14] <seb128> sergiusens, ^ do you have any idea about that one?
[08:14] <ogra_> i guess half the world is off today
[08:14] <seb128> why?
[08:14]  * ogra_ cant remember if sergio was among them
[08:15] <seb128> is today some religious holidays most country have or something?
[08:15] <ogra_> independence day in the US ... and there was something in south america i cant remember
[08:15] <seb128> hum
[08:15] <seb128> isn't independance day the 4th of july?
[08:15] <seb128> e.g tomorrow
[08:15] <ogra_> yep
[08:15] <ogra_> so to make it worth it they get today off ... funny US law
[08:16] <seb128> that's cheating!
[08:16] <ogra_> (because of weekend ... but having the right for a free day)
[08:16] <seb128> is mvo celebrating US independance as well? ;-)
[08:16] <ogra_> yeah, totally !
[08:16] <ogra_> haha, for sure
[08:16] <seb128> slacker!
[08:16] <ogra_> yeah
[08:17] <ogra_> seb128, are you seeing that error when building the image or when booting it ?
[08:19] <davmor2> seb128: yet you don't think it's cheating when we get friday and Monday off for xmas that fell on the saturday or sunday right ;)
[08:20] <seb128> davmor2, "we"?
[08:20] <seb128> so
[08:20] <seb128> 1- France doesn't have that rule (nor does most european countries I think)
[08:20] <seb128> 2- yes, I find it cheating when the u.k do that
[08:21] <seb128> ogra_, u-d-f
[08:21] <ogra_> bah
[08:21] <seb128> I guess it's some of the image processing
[08:22] <ogra_> seb128, well, thats like being in the EU but not having the euro, so what do you expect :)
[08:22] <seb128> dunno if that has to do with the cloud-init cleanout
[08:22] <seb128> that string isn't in goget-u-t though
[08:23]  * ogra_ waits for the 44min download to finish :P
[08:23] <Rlyeh> Hello everybody
[08:23] <Rlyeh> I have a BBB I don't know how to drive a pwm, using snappy. I could do this before, using angstrom distribution.
[08:24] <Rlyeh> I know the device tree overlay is different with angstrom, but i don't know how can I configure the hardware in snappy.
[08:24] <Rlyeh> Can anyone help me?
[08:24] <seb128> ogra_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11814398/
[08:24] <seb128> bah
[08:25] <ogra_> Rlyeh, we dont really have a standard way for overlay dtb files yet ...
[08:26] <ogra_> there was a long thread about it on the mailin list (snappy-devel i think)
[08:26] <ogra_> *mailing
[08:26] <Rlyeh> You mean I can't use all hardware resources?
[08:27] <ogra_> we have no standard way, you need to hack in the overlay currently (i think it is described in the thread)
[08:27] <Rlyeh> I asked there, but no one didn't answered me
[08:28] <Rlyeh> It's just about BBB or it's same for RPi2 too?
[08:28] <seb128> bah
[08:28] <seb128> ogra_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/goget-ubuntu-touch/+bug/1470727
[08:29] <seb128> so not only personal
[08:29] <seb128> likely one of the ubuntu-snappy changes from this week I guess
[08:29] <ogra_> Rpi is a little worse since it uses the binary blob to initially set the dtb's ... which is the reason we dont have a standard way yet ... that standard way needs to cover both implementations
[08:29] <seb128> since on my box I didn't upgrade anything
[08:29] <seb128> so it's not udf/the host system versions
[08:30] <ogra_> might be ... lets see if i can verify here
[08:30] <seb128> thanks
[08:30] <ogra_> (in about 40min )
[08:31] <Rlyeh> OK, thank you anyway ogra
[08:31] <ogra_> Rlyeh, i'm partially working on the RPi implementation, once there is a proper way i'll send a mail to the list (and put up documentation)
[08:32] <Rlyeh> Thank you, wish you be success in that
[08:34] <seb128> ogra_, you can try on core if you want, less to download and it gives the same error
[08:34] <seb128> grrr
[08:35] <seb128> wtf snappy team, wrecking stuff on a virtual-friday
[08:36] <seb128> that string is part of /usr/bin/snappy
[08:37] <seb128> I guess it's due to rsalveti changes yesterday
[08:37] <seb128> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/210553123/ubuntu-snappy_1.3ubuntu1_1.4ubuntu1.diff.gz
[08:37] <seb128> lot of uid things in there
[08:38] <seb128> or...
[08:38] <seb128> I might need to update ubuntu-snappy on my system
[08:39] <ogra_> oh, snappy vs clickpkg again
[08:44] <seb128> ogra_, it works after installing the new ubuntu-snappy on my laptop
[08:44] <seb128> so yeah, mismatch between the tools and the image
[08:44] <ogra_> yeah
[08:45] <ogra_> because it only finds the snappypkg user
[08:45] <ogra_> (or rather doesnt find it)
[08:48] <Chipaca> seb128: the uid/gid thing might be because we renamed a user
[08:48] <Chipaca> seb128: might :)
[08:48] <seb128> Chipaca, seems to be yeah
[08:56] <seb128> ok, works
[08:56] <seb128> today personal has a working ubuntu user without cloud-init, things are improving ;-)
[08:57] <ogra_> well, still rebootloop by default here
[08:58] <seb128> right, the grub issues are not resolved
[08:58] <seb128> you need to pick the "ubuntu" entry
[08:58] <seb128> but it's not a surprise since those changes didn't land
[09:00] <ogra_> hmpf, why do i land in emergency mode now
[09:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy International Plastic Bag Free Day! 😃
[09:14] <ogra_> seb128, so any idea why the ubuntu user doesnt show up in lightdm ?
[09:18] <seb128> ogra_, no, it seems random/transient, I got it showing up after systemctl restart lightdm and it was there on next boot as well
[09:19] <seb128> ogra_, I think I'm going to change the image to autologin
[09:19] <ogra_> yeah
[09:19] <ogra_> we ship a snippet for that in livecd-rootfs for the phone
[09:19] <ogra_> live-build/ubuntu-touch/includes.chroot/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/90-phablet.conf
[09:24] <seb128> ogra_, any reason that's not in /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d?
[09:25] <seb128> I guess location changed and that one didn't get migrated
[09:25] <ogra_> yeah, there was one, ask mterry
[09:26]  * ogra_ doesnt get it ... i always end up in emergency mode now
[09:26] <seb128> what mode is that?
[09:26] <ogra_> systemd drops you into a rootshell
[09:27] <dholbach> rsalveti (and everyone else): I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1471160 to track the work we talked about - most of it is on developer.u.c obviously, but there's the thing about converting the .rst file in the docs to .md
[09:27] <dholbach> davidcalle, ^
[09:30] <ogra_> hmm, so just dropping the autologin snippet from touch in place doesnt help
[09:31] <ogra_> (indeed with s/phablet/ubuntu/)
[09:37] <davidcalle> dholbach, thanks, I've just found out how we can support markdown tables in an importer (md doesn't have tables by default, this was the reason for the rst)
[09:37] <dholbach> oooh nice!
[09:43] <davidcalle> dholbach, I'm starting the rst->md conversion, I've tried a few automated things and they seem to fail on it
[09:43] <dholbach> maybe it doesn't necessarily need to be a table? :)
[09:46] <davidcalle> dholbach, hmm, it uses them quite a lot : https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/filesystem-layout/
[09:46] <dholbach> I see, mh
[10:00] <dholbach> davidcalle, shall we have a quick chat now or would you prefer later?
[10:00] <davidcalle> dholbach, now is fine :)
[10:00] <dholbach> perfect
[10:00] <dholbach> let me set up the hangout
[12:21] <seb128> ogra_, did you mean earlier than systemd was booting in state "maintenance"?
[12:23] <sergiusens> ogra seb128: you need the latest snappy installed on your host for that to go away (in wily, I think rsalveti copy-package'ed it to snappy-dev/tools-proposed)
[12:23] <sergiusens> Chipaca: ^
[12:23] <seb128> sergiusens, yeah, I figured that out/resolved it
[12:23] <seb128> thanks
[12:23] <Chipaca> sergiusens: which "that"?
[12:23]  * Chipaca out of the loop?
[12:23] <ogra_> sergiusens, yep, we found already
[12:24] <sergiusens> seb128: from my point of view the image was broken all week and I spent most of it chasing that
[12:24] <sergiusens> ;-)
[12:24] <seb128> sergiusens, same here...
[12:24] <ogra_> seb128, well, not sure how it is actually called (it boots normal now) but it talked about systemctl reboot and systemctl default in the text it printed before giving me a shell
[12:24] <seb128> k, well for me system doesn't boot
[12:25] <ogra_> (note that i dropped all console= options so i can actually see error messages)
[12:25] <ogra_> (and panic= as well)
[12:28] <Chipaca> ogra_: what does console default to without console=, in different arches?
[12:28] <ogra_> tty0
[12:28] <ogra_> on all arches afaik
[12:29] <ogra_> i would only set console= if i actually want serial ... (and only set it once)
[12:29] <ogra_> for all other variants i'd just drop it
[12:33] <sergiusens> davidcalle: dholbach can you switch to github flavored markdown? https://help.github.com/articles/github-flavored-markdown/
[12:37] <dholbach> sergiusens, I don't know - with which tool can we convert it to html?
[12:39] <sergiusens> dholbach: that python one I forget the name of... Chipaca helpz :-P
[12:39] <ogra_> yeah, ask sergiusens he once told me :P
[12:41] <ogra_> ah, pandoc ...
[12:42] <davidcalle> sergiusens, do you need specific features we can't have for now?
[12:43] <sergiusens> Chipaca: btw, the find label was doing something useful
[12:43] <sergiusens> davidcalle: the tables ;-)
[12:44] <davidcalle> sergiusens, ah, then in that regard, yes, you will be able to use anything github md do for tables
[12:44] <davidcalle> s/will be/are
[12:44] <sergiusens> Chipaca: now I can't find the alternate kernel path because / is (hd0,2) and there is no kernel in /vmlinuz only in (hd0,3) and (hd0,4) which correspont to the searched for labels
[12:46] <sergiusens> Chipaca: I added back the search and it all works again :-/
[12:50] <Chipaca> was afk (lunch etc)
[12:50]  * Chipaca reads
[12:51] <sergiusens> Chipaca: summary --set with no var set $prefix to the found $label
[12:51] <Chipaca> sergiusens: wait what?
[12:51] <Chipaca> sergiusens: ooooooh! but that's not what the docs say :)
[12:51] <Chipaca> ok
[12:51] <sergiusens> Chipaca: it does :-)
[12:51] <Chipaca> docs say it sets root
[12:52] <Chipaca> and that $prefix is calculated before all user-provided stuff? or something like that
[12:52] <sergiusens> Chipaca: hmm, I read that prefix defaults to the bootloader partition, in any case /vmlinuz alone points to nowhere :-P
[12:53] <sergiusens> Chipaca: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/snappy-hub/searchForMe/+merge/263772
[12:53] <Chipaca> sergiusens: changing subjects, what do you think of .snapignore?
[12:53] <sergiusens> Chipaca: sorry, not prefix but root
[12:54] <Chipaca> ah, yes, that yes
[12:54] <Chipaca> but we don't use root
[12:54] <sergiusens> Chipaca: that is inherited from click, which I know because I proposed adding a couple of files there and cjwatson said no, and had this huge list :-P
[12:54] <sergiusens> Chipaca: yes we do
[12:54] <Chipaca> anyway,
[12:54] <Chipaca> if you tell me it works like this and does not without, screw the docs, this stays :)
[12:55] <sergiusens> Chipaca: it works
[12:55] <sergiusens> example from the docs: set root=(hd0,1); linux /vmlinuz
[12:55] <Chipaca> sergiusens: where do we use $root?
[12:56] <sergiusens> Chipaca: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#root
[12:56] <sergiusens> Chipaca: when you use '/' without specifing the partition
[12:56] <sergiusens> Chipaca: as in vmlinuz and /initrd.img
[12:56] <Chipaca> sigh. ok.
[12:56] <sergiusens> */vmlinuz
[12:57] <Chipaca> yep yep
[12:57] <Chipaca> i blame ogra :)
[12:57] <Chipaca> he wants to confuse us, so we'll switch to uboot on intel
[12:57] <sergiusens> it's fine, he should of catched this
[12:57] <sergiusens> heh
[12:57] <sergiusens> we can I guess :P
[12:57] <Chipaca> it's because he has shares in the uboot corporation
[12:58] <Chipaca> sergiusens: wrt .snapignore
[12:58] <Chipaca> ~chipaca/snappy/dynamicExclusion
[12:58] <Chipaca> lp:^
[12:58] <Chipaca> sergiusens: would something like that be potable?
[12:59] <Chipaca> sergiusens: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chipaca/snappy/dynamicExclusion/revision/555 i guess
[13:03] <sergiusens> Chipaca: do you reread the file for every file there? it looks good in any case
[13:04] <Chipaca> sergiusens: wanted to have it not break if somehow two builds are called in the same run (not something that can happen easily)
[13:04] <Chipaca> sergiusens: it rereads the file for every build directory
[13:04] <sergiusens> Chipaca: idea, how about we read /proc/net/dev as part of the first boot task and set the appropriate network interface up correctly?
[13:04] <ogra_> +1
[13:05] <ogra_> and indeed, uboot would fix everything !
[13:05] <Chipaca> sergiusens: i'll write tests for this, and add that to first boot
[13:05] <Chipaca> or i could do it the other way around
[13:05] <sergiusens> \o/
[13:05]  * Chipaca shelves this
[13:05] <Chipaca> well, wait
[13:05] <Chipaca> pitti had said something about something changing?
[13:05] <sergiusens> wow, really? :-P
[13:06] <ogra_> did he ?
[13:06] <sergiusens> we don't like change!
[13:06] <Chipaca> i might have misunderstood
[13:06] <ogra_> yeah, we're no obama !
[13:06]  * sergiusens mentions that he is being sarcastic in case people don't notice
[13:06] <Chipaca> pitti: this is wrt network device names
[13:06] <ogra_> sergiusens, its friday ... everything is sarcastic
[13:06]  * ogra_ melts
[13:06] <Chipaca> pitti: is the current situation "it"? or are we expecting more changes soon?
[13:07] <Chipaca> pitti: because if it's "it", we know how to work with it :)
[13:07] <ogra_> well, even if it changes ... /proc/net/dev should give us the right info
[13:07] <Chipaca> fair enough
[13:08] <Chipaca> ogra_: btw, do you know why we don't "see" the bbb usb net device?
[13:09] <ogra_> missing module ?
[13:09] <Chipaca> tried usbnet, not it
[13:09] <ogra_> no
[13:09] <ogra_> its an smc1234something
[13:09] <sergiusens> o, that would be a great thing to work on as well
[13:09] <ogra_> oh
[13:09] <ogra_> you mean gadget support !
[13:09] <ogra_> now i get it
[13:09] <Chipaca> do we want to bring up the first ether device, or the first anything-but-wireless device?
[13:09]  * ogra_ needs some cooling heard ... brain only operates at 20% or so
[13:10] <ogra_> *head
[13:10] <Chipaca> ogra_: massagran
[13:10] <Chipaca> no, not massagran
[13:10] <Chipaca> 'old on
[13:10] <ogra_> Chipaca, we'd need to ship the cdc_composite module and configure it accordingly
[13:10] <Chipaca> ogra_: mazagran
[13:10] <Chipaca> ogra_: cold coffee + lemon ftw
[13:11] <ogra_> hmm, sounds like an odd combo
[13:11] <Chipaca> 's good
[13:11] <Chipaca> but don't do the version with rum just yet
[13:11] <Chipaca> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazagran_(coffee_beverage)
[13:12] <Chipaca> ogra_: how was it you asked to be dropped into initrd?
[13:13] <ogra_> i just had a longish discussion with asac about that :)
[13:13] <ogra_> (modules handling etc)
[13:14] <ogra_> my idea is to have a modules.img in /boot ... (or multiple if one is to big) ... so you can loop mount that from initrd ... and later move mount it to the rootfs (no duplication, no modules inside the initrd)
[13:14] <ogra_> i discussed that with rtg earlier already and will work on a prototype soon as proof of concept
[13:14] <ogra_> WOW ...
[13:15] <ogra_> susie just brought me a bowl of raspberries ... fresh from the bush
[13:15] <ogra_> they are like cooked ... totally hot
[13:15] <pitti> Chipaca: I don't plan on changing the current situation myself, unless we have to because of bugs
[13:16] <pitti> Chipaca: we might get some exclusion rules for rmnet* devices for ofono; but that wouldn't affect eth or wlan
[13:16] <pitti> Chipaca: OOI, are you using networkd now, or just a more dynamic ifupdown snippet?
[13:16] <ogra_> yeah, that would also only affect personal
[13:17] <ogra_> where we wont have a hard configured eth0 or wlan0 anywa
[13:17] <ogra_> y
[13:17] <ogra_> pitti, no networkd yet
[13:17] <ogra_> (afaik)
[13:17] <Chipaca> not on core, no
[13:18] <ogra_> might be interesting to know how that works with ubuntu-fan
[13:18] <ogra_> or if at all
[13:18] <Chipaca> sergiusens: how can i tell from first boot if i'm in personal or not?
[13:18] <Chipaca> or would networkd running mean no ifup
[13:18] <Chipaca> because if so we're good to go :)
[13:18] <ogra_> Chipaca, i guess that can only be answered once personal exists :)
[13:19] <pitti> Chipaca, ogra_: right, I was just intersted (it's easier to configure that with networkd than with ifupdown, but I guess you already have a solution that writes interfaces on first boot or so?
[13:19] <ogra_> pitti, not really
[13:19] <Chipaca> pitti: that's what i'd be doing, at least for core
[13:19] <ogra_> livecd-rootfs currently creates a file
[13:19] <Chipaca> write the equivalent of the current static eth0 file on first boot
[13:19] <pitti> Chipaca: yeah, you shouldn't configure it in multiple places; pick one of ifupdown, NetworkManager, or networkd
[13:19] <pitti> Chipaca: ack
[13:26] <Chipaca> pitti: do usb network interfaces also start with /en/?
[13:27] <pitti> Chipaca: depends -- a tethered phone yes, but I figure an USB wifi stick would start with wl*
[13:27] <Chipaca> pitti: yeah, i meant something like a tethered phone, or a usb ethernet device, not a wifi nor wlan
[13:27] <Chipaca> things that would be expected to 'just work' for an iot device :)
[13:28] <ogra_> Chipaca, usually usb0 etc
[13:28] <ogra_> depends on the gadget driver you use
[13:28] <Chipaca> ogra_: before yes, but now?
[13:28] <ogra_> heh
[13:28] <ogra_> i guess we'll see
[13:28]  * ogra_ will tinker a bit with gadget stuff on the weekend
[13:29] <Chipaca> ogra_: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/udev/udev-builtin-net_id.c#n20
[13:29] <ogra_> hmm
[13:29] <Chipaca> so ens3 is the ethernet device plugged into the hotplug slot number 3
[13:29] <ogra_> that has no usb at all
[13:29] <Chipaca> ogra_: nor should it
[13:29] <Chipaca> ogra_: i mean, unless you expect ethernet devices to mention they're pcie
[13:30] <ogra_> well, you want to name them somehow
[13:30] <Chipaca>                                       -- PCI geographical location
[13:30] <Chipaca>  *   [P<domain>]p<bus>s<slot>[f<function>][u<port>][..][c<config>][i<interface>]
[13:30] <Chipaca>  *                                         -- USB port number chain
[13:30] <Chipaca> so usb would be enPsomethingpsomethingssomethingfsomethingusomethingcsomething
[13:30] <ogra_> ah, i was reading the comment at the top
[13:30] <Chipaca> supereasy
[13:31] <ogra_> which kind of indicates it will never even find a device on something like the BBB
[13:31]  * Chipaca is now very curious as to how this looks in actual practice :)
[13:31] <Chipaca> ogra_: why?
[13:31] <Chipaca> ogra_: it'll start with en
[13:31] <ogra_>  * Predictable network interface device names based on:
[13:31] <ogra_>  *  - firmware/bios-provided index numbers for on-board devices
[13:31] <ogra_>  *  - firmware-provided pci-express hotplug slot index number
[13:31] <ogra_>  *  - physical/geographical location of the hardware
[13:31] <Chipaca> just then have a bunch of stuff
[13:31] <ogra_>  *  - the interface's MAC address
[13:31] <ogra_> the only thing that might apply is the MAC in that list
[13:31] <Chipaca> 's fine
[13:31] <Chipaca> as long as it starts with /en/, i'll bring it up :)
[13:31] <ogra_> that code is so awfully intel centric ... sigh
[13:32] <ogra_> bios ... pci ...
[13:32] <Chipaca> ogra_: it's written by people who were rather late to the arm bandwagon
[13:32] <Chipaca> not particularly surprising
[13:32] <ogra_> it is written by people who tend to ignore everything but intel
[13:33] <ogra_> which was/is one of my biggest concerns switching to systemd
[13:33] <ogra_> init=/bin/sh ... really ... :P
[13:33] <Chipaca> ogra_: as i say, super interested in bringing up that bbb thingie, now :)
[13:34] <ogra_> now ...
[13:34] <Chipaca> ogra_: init=/bin/snappy \o/
[13:34] <ogra_> or that, yeah !
[13:34] <Chipaca> anyway, need to go for the school run. will bbl :)
[13:34] <ogra_> check if the cdc_composite module exists
[13:34]  * Chipaca checks
[13:35] <ogra_> or cdc_ether
[13:35] <ogra_> (but that would limit you to only ethernet over USB)
[13:36] <ogra_> hmm, the RPi kernel doesnt have it enabled :(
[13:37]  * Chipaca wonders what ttyO0 is
[13:38] <damjan> Chipaca: the O is from OMAP
[13:38] <ogra_> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/usb/gadget_multi.txt
[13:38] <damjan> I guess
[13:39] <ogra_> yeah
[13:39] <Chipaca> damjan: ta :)
[13:39] <ogra_> which is weird since the BBB has no OMAP
[13:39] <ogra_> but TI stuck to the O
[13:39] <Chipaca> ogra_: i don't have cdc_composite
[13:39] <ogra_> Chipaca, the above text should help
[13:39] <Chipaca> ogra_: i do have cdc_ether
[13:39] <ogra_> yeah, thats just therenet over usb ... not host mode though
[13:40] <ogra_> *ethernet
[13:40] <Chipaca> yeah, no workie
[13:40] <ogra_> you want actually g_ether
[13:40] <ogra_> or g_multi ...
[13:40] <ogra_> ir cdc_composite
[13:40] <ogra_> *or
[13:41] <ogra_> i dont think it is enabled in our kernel package
[13:41] <Chipaca> ok, i need to run
[13:41] <ogra_> needs some config changes
[13:41] <Chipaca> will read that on my return
[13:41] <ogra_> run lola run ...
[13:41] <ogra_> :)
[13:41] <Chipaca> modprobe g_multi did find usb0
[13:41] <ogra_> oh
[13:41] <Chipaca> but then something about LUN0
[13:41] <Chipaca> and bailed
[13:41] <ogra_> well, there you go
[13:41] <ogra_> yeah, likely needs modoptions
[13:42] <Chipaca> ogra_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11815545/
[13:42]  * Chipaca run s
[13:42] <ogra_> (it can also be serial and fileservice)
[13:42] <Chipaca> yeah, figures
[13:42] <Chipaca> anyway! run! me! go! now!
[13:42] <ogra_> :)
[13:43] <sergiusens> Chipaca: did you figure out that firstboot thing?
[13:44] <ogra_> sergiusens, oh, regarding sabdfl's comment on the ML i guess we should seed fan again (still feels like bloating the image to me ... :) )
[13:45] <sergiusens> ogra_: right, we should
[13:45] <ogra_> i'll try to get to it before EOD
[13:45] <sergiusens> ogra_: I feel ashamed for conflating dhcp and dnsmasq though :-P
[13:45] <ogra_> why
[13:45] <ogra_> it acts as dhcp server in that setup
[13:46] <sergiusens> ogra_: because I could of nailed it down to a package
[13:46] <ogra_> was just a glitch in terminology ... still matched the function ;)
[13:47] <sergiusens> elopio: are you here already?
[13:47] <ogra_> is he working today ?
[13:48]  * ogra_ totally lost overview who is working and who isnt today :)
[13:48] <sergiusens> ogra_: hmm, Costa Rica isn't part of the US yet, right? :-P
[13:48] <ogra_> wasnt there some religious day in SA today too ?
[13:50] <sergiusens> ogra_: not in the lower cone
[13:51] <sergiusens> ogra_: not according to http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/costa-rica/
[13:51] <ogra_> ah, well :)
[13:55] <sergiusens> ogra_: I think most of the people not in the US are just taking swap days
[13:56] <ogra_> yeah
[13:57] <ogra_> lots of them though :)
[14:04] <sergiusens> Chipaca: noupdategrub can land (did the 4 phased update test)
[14:08] <sergiusens> Chipaca: care to top approve https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/snappy/noUpdateGrub/+merge/261381 ?
[14:37] <elopio> good morning.
[14:37] <elopio> I'm having some internet problems today.
[14:38] <elopio> sergiusens: I'm here.
[14:38] <elopio> celebrating my independence by working from the office :)
[14:38] <elopio> sergiusens: how can I help you?
[14:42] <sergiusens> elopio: heh :-)
[14:42] <sergiusens> elopio: just wanted to have a quick talk on what the no update grub update implies wrt testing; also planned to invite fgimenez (and Chipaca)
[14:42] <sergiusens> makes for a pure spanish meeting
[14:43] <sergiusens> if not for ogra_ our standup today would of been in Spanish ;-)
[14:43] <elopio> lets not invite ogra_ to the standup either :)
[14:47] <sergiusens> well, it might need to happen after standup as I can't get a hold of Chipaca or fgimenez :-P
[14:48] <fgimenez> sergiusens, no, sorry :) i'm ok with having it now, looking forward to practice my spanish, i'm mostly forgetting it :)
[15:03] <Chipaca> sergiusens: back
[15:25] <sergiusens> Chipaca: pretty please approvez the branchez
[15:25] <Chipaca> @reviewlist
[15:25] <nothal> https://code.launchpad.net/~fgimenez/snappy/fix-failover-versions/+merge/263765 | No reviews (less than a day old)
[15:25] <nothal> https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/snappy/snappy-fix-bbb-crash/+merge/263530 | No reviews (1 day old)
[15:25] <nothal> https://code.launchpad.net/~fgimenez/snappy/build-test/+merge/263327 | No reviews (2 days old)
[15:26] <nothal> https://code.launchpad.net/~fgimenez/snappy/filter-tests/+merge/263222 | Approve: 2 (3 days old)
[15:26] <nothal> https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/snappy/selftest-reboot-notice/+merge/262265 | Approve: 1 (15 days old)
[15:26] <Chipaca> sergiusens: i suspect nothal is being a wuss
[15:26] <sergiusens> Chipaca: nothal got a flood warning I hope as this is missing: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/snappy/noUpdateGrub/+merge/261381
[15:27] <Chipaca> sergiusens: yeah, i've got that one, but you used the plural
[15:27] <sergiusens> Chipaca: and all of these https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/goget-ubuntu-touch/trunk/+activereviews which have the +1 but not the top +1
[15:27] <Chipaca> sergiusens: so i was wondering what the other ones are :)
[15:27] <Chipaca> hah!
[15:27] <Chipaca> ok
[15:28] <Chipaca> @help reviewlist
[15:28] <nothal> Show the list of merge proposals with status = 'Needs review'.
[15:28] <nothal>         usage: @reviewlist [project:<project name>] [user:<lp username>]
[15:29] <Chipaca> @reviewlist user:sergiusens
[15:29] <nothal> https://code.launchpad.net/~fgimenez/snappy/fix-failover-versions/+merge/263765 | No reviews (less than a day old)
[15:29] <nothal> https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/snappy/snappy-fix-bbb-crash/+merge/263530 | No reviews (1 day old)
[15:29] <nothal> https://code.launchpad.net/~fgimenez/snappy/build-test/+merge/263327 | No reviews (2 days old)
[15:29] <nothal> https://code.launchpad.net/~fgimenez/snappy/filter-tests/+merge/263222 | Approve: 2 (3 days old)
[15:29] <nothal> https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/snappy/selftest-reboot-notice/+merge/262265 | Approve: 1 (15 days old)
[15:29] <Chipaca> nothal: you are weird.
[15:29] <Chipaca> nothal: i'm not sure i like that in a bot.
[15:31] <Chipaca> ogra_: i'm going to revisit this g_multi thing later. it's got way too many options, and the document you linked describes none of 'em :)
[15:31] <ogra_> lol, yeah
[15:32] <ogra_> i implemented such stuff ages ago on the pandaboard ... i'll dig on the weekend if i can find some of it
[15:32] <sergiusens> Chipaca: it's not hal at least, hal or sal wouldn't have made this mistake
[15:32] <Chipaca> like, file:names of backing files or devices
[15:32] <sergiusens> ergo the nothal I guess
[15:32] <Chipaca> ogra_: the onboard debian also uses g_multi, so i'd probably poke at /sys/module/g_multi/parameters/
[15:32] <Chipaca> ogra_: but it's not going to be fun :)
[15:32] <ogra_> yeah, i was about to suggest that :)
[15:33] <ogra_> you will probably find some info in /etc7modprobe.d
[15:33] <Chipaca> ogra_: great minds often think alike
[15:33] <ogra_> so you dont need to reverse-engineer and can just copy some config over
[15:33] <ogra_> also #beagel might be able to help ;)
[15:33] <Chipaca> no, i grepped all of /etc for g_multi to no avail
[15:33] <ogra_> err
[15:33] <ogra_> *#beagle
[15:34] <Chipaca> oooh
[15:34] <ogra_> ah, sad
[15:34] <Chipaca> boot/uboot/scripts/setup-ubuntu-armhf-3.8.13-bone30.sh:modprobe g_multi file=/dev/mmcblk0p1 cdrom=0 stall=0 removable=1 nofua=1 iSerialNumber=${SERIAL_NUMBER} iManufacturer=Circuitco iProduct=BeagleBone${BLACK} host_addr=${DEV_ADDR}
[15:34] <ogra_> ha !
[15:35] <Chipaca> that script is interesting
[15:35] <Chipaca> anyway! back to the network thing
[15:35] <ogra_> likely some rcn-ee product :)
[15:35] <ogra_> he does all the interesting beagle scripts
[15:36] <ogra_> anyway ... taking care of the madam ...
[15:36]  * ogra_ &
[15:47] <elopio> @help
[15:47] <nothal> "list" To see the available commands ; "help cmd" for specific command help
[15:48] <elopio> @list
[15:48] <nothal> The available commands are: ['bug', 'critical', 'help', 'last', 'list', 'more', 'ping', 'reviewlist', 'seen']
[16:05] <fgimenez> nice weekend everyone o/
[19:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: how do we prevent the system from doing that video mode switch?
[19:49] <damjan> video mode switch??
[19:49] <damjan> doesn't the kms kernel driver do that?
[20:43] <sergiusens> ogra_: for when you get back https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/livecd-rootfs/eth0Not/+merge/263812
[21:15] <h00sier> how can i adduser a new user in snappy image on kvm
[21:25] <h00sier> I've got snappy connected to the internet with the hardwired ubuntu/ubuntu login and I want to add a user and password for security reasons... adduser can't unlock the /etc/group file
[21:29] <h00sier> groupadd: cannot lock /etc/group;
[22:35] <h00sier> how can i adduser a new user in snappy image on kvm
[22:35] <h00sier> I've got snappy connected to the internet with the hardwired ubuntu/ubuntu login and I want to add a user and password for security reasons... adduser can't unlock the /etc/group file
[22:35] <h00sier> I've got snappy connected to the internet with the hardwired ubuntu/ubuntu login and I want to add a user and password for security reasons... adduser can't unlock the /etc/group file
[23:51] <sergiusens> h00sier: you will need to wait a bit to be able to add users, I have branches that are in the pipeline.
[23:51] <sergiusens> you can for now however change the password


[01:39] <darkxst> jbicha, looks like ubuntu have removed gdm support from indicator-session
[01:39] <darkxst> so user switching from unity while running gdm has no chance of working
[01:46] <jbicha> well that seems short-sighted of them :(
[02:17] <jbicha> darkxst: hmm, major casper upgrade today, did you file a bug report for our remaining tweaks?
[02:20] <jbicha> everaldo: I think we're just going to end up shipping 12.10 without a gnome installer slideshow
[02:20] <darkxst> jbicha, I have an open merge request for the password dialog tweak
[02:21] <darkxst> I haven't yet done the username tweak, since I am waiting to see if we can get autologin (log-out) fixed
[02:21] <darkxst> otherwise will have to disable autologin completely
[02:24] <jbicha> autologin worked for Beta 2, didn't it?
[02:24] <jbicha> for the live environment
[02:26] <darkxst> yeh, but its broken now
[02:26] <darkxst> possible it only worked due to one of the other bugs that was fixed
[02:26] <darkxst> well autologin works, but you can't logout again
[02:27] <darkxst> anyway halfline is going to try look into it, in the next few days
[02:28] <jbicha> ok, I haven't rebuilt the images since Thursday, I probably should be building daily since final freeze is only a week away
[02:33] <darkxst> and it worked then?
[02:34] <jbicha> yeah, in the live environment autologin worked and I was able to logout from Shell and choose Classic
[02:34] <darkxst> ah, but you couldn't log back, since that was before this landed https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/1058338
[02:36] <jbicha> well Classic didn't have a logout button... but except for that it worked fine
[03:17] <darkxst> apparently it only happens when username != hostname
[03:17] <Wilson2B> So for weeks now I thought my problem was Unity / Compiz. Turns out it was #cairo-dock,  Bottom of screen would go blank on primary display only. Has anyone seen this before?
[03:18] <darkxst> Wilson2B, yeh cairo-dock does that here (on secondary display)
[03:19] <Wilson2B> interesting
[03:20] <Wilson2B> It's the primary for me, for example when I do dual screen, the bottom screen is full , when I make it primary it cuts off at bottom Cairo tray
[03:20] <Wilson2B> like it takes up a large rectangle of space
[03:21] <Wilson2B> Trying to figure out how to fix it, I reset the settings (Ithink) and uninstalled / reinstalled Cairo doc
[03:24] <darkxst> jbicha, anyway username patch has to go in build script
[03:24] <darkxst> jbicha, seems to work ok when I set *both* username and hostname to "gnome"
[06:27] <everaldo> darkxst, ping
[06:27] <everaldo> did the text appear for you?
[06:28] <everaldo> (on plymouth screen)
[06:37] <everaldo> humm, strange, looks like we have some errors on script
[09:33] <darkxst> everaldo, pong
[09:33] <darkxst> what errors?
[09:45] <darkxst> everaldo, you need to add the other files back
[09:45] <darkxst> progress*.png and ubuntu-logo*.png
[10:02] <darkxst> progress dots are used for the password box, and currently logo is used to position text.
[10:28] <everaldo> darkxst, I have it working here
[10:28] <everaldo> but I am thinking about remove unused staff
[10:29] <everaldo> it needed the images because it is used to calculate text and password box positions
[10:29] <darkxst> yes, I know
[10:30] <darkxst> but I left it like that, since its safer than removing it all
[10:30] <everaldo> what do you think, keep all stuff from old theme
[10:30] <everaldo> os just add images to get it working?
[10:30] <everaldo> (btw, alread changed colors here)
[10:30] <darkxst> just put the images back in
[10:31] <darkxst> I will clean it up at some point, but should be fine for now
[10:32] <everaldo> ok, I will put images back
[10:32] <everaldo> it is faster
[10:32] <everaldo> maybe a bug report to clean up later
[10:33] <darkxst> the main issue is, I don't even know how to test all the features in that script.
[10:36] <everaldo> darkxst, https://code.launchpad.net/~ecanuto/ubuntu/quantal/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings-bug1060123
[10:37] <everaldo> do you know how I can associate a bug report to a specific branch?
[10:37] <everaldo> or we don't need it?
[10:41] <darkxst> you missing the `*16.png` files
[10:41] <everaldo> darkxst, yes, because I don't have it in blue colors
[10:42] <everaldo> just on normal ubuntu colors
[10:43] <everaldo> lubuntu also don't have *16 pngs
[10:44] <everaldo> unfortunatelly svgs is not available
[10:44] <darkxst> well in that case remove the "if (bits_per_pixel == 4) {" statement that declares the 16.png names
[10:46] <everaldo> darkxst, do you know how to test in 4 bits per pixel?
[10:46] <everaldo> I mean, theres a way to simulate
[10:46] <everaldo> ?
[10:46] <darkxst> you would need to restart X
[10:47] <darkxst> (and configure it in xorg.conf)
[10:48] <everaldo> whats about include the *16.png from ubuntu theme and fix it for 13.04 ?
[10:48] <darkxst> or that, the only one that gets displayed is progress_dots_off anyway
[10:49] <everaldo> I will try here to convert the images
[10:49] <everaldo> if it look ok then we can use it
[10:52] <darkxst> why the huge branch name? you can just do ~ecanuto/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/branch_name
[10:53] <everaldo> just saw  some people doing it and start to do the same
[10:54] <everaldo> I really don't have too much experience with launchpad so I try to mimic some other people
[10:55] <everaldo> let me try to use tiny name
[10:55] <darkxst> progress_dot_on.png is not used, so doesnt need to be blue
[10:56] <darkxst> if you want blue dots, then dot_off should be the blue one
[10:56]  * smartboyhw finds out it is the 24-hour marathon today:P
[10:56] <everaldo> darkxst, you mean https://code.launchpad.net/~ecanuto/ubuntu/quantal/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/bug-1060123
[11:00] <darkxst> you can make it shorter
[11:00] <everaldo> darkxst, backgounds in 16 colors don't look nice :(
[11:01] <darkxst> the blue stripes?
[11:01] <everaldo> yes
[11:01] <smartboyhw> Hey everaldo darkxst gonna watch the 24-hour-marathon tmr?
[11:02] <everaldo> smartboyhw, ?
[11:02] <smartboyhw> everaldo, this
[11:02] <smartboyhw> http://marathon.ubuntuonair.com/
[11:05] <darkxst> everaldo, hopefully no one needs them then!
[11:06] <everaldo> oh, nice, I can use paypal
[11:07] <smartboyhw> everaldo, :)
[11:22] <everaldo> darkxst, any ideas for 16 color background?
[11:23] <darkxst> don't worry about it for now
[11:23] <darkxst> hopefully most hardware these days supports full colour
[11:30] <everaldo> darkxst, progress_dot_off.png must be progress_dot_on.png and progress_dot_off.png could be an empty image right?
[11:31] <everaldo> smartboyhw, looks like I will "participate" in this 24 hour-marathon ;-)
[11:32] <darkxst> progress_dot_off.png is used for the password dialog
[11:32] <darkxst> progress_dot_on.png is unused
[11:34] <smartboyhw> everaldo, lol
[11:49] <darkxst> everaldo, you can remove 16.pngs, ubuntu-logo.png and dots_on.png now
[11:49] <darkxst> https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/lp1060123
[12:00] <everaldo> darkxst, do you know how I can apply you commit to my branch and keep the commiter name and time?
[12:01] <darkxst> you merge it
[12:02] <darkxst> or even just
[12:02] <everaldo> darkxst, can you please request a merge to this: https://code.launchpad.net/~ecanuto/ubuntu/quantal/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/lp1060123
[12:03] <darkxst> try, bzr pull lp:~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/lp1060123
[12:07] <everaldo> darkxst, some conflicts because I have rebranched without unneded pngs
[12:09] <everaldo> darkxst, if you can request a merge to this branch, I would like to learn how to merge a request :)
[12:13] <darkxst> you will still get conflicts
[12:14] <everaldo> darkxst, is there a way to commit using other person name?
[12:16] <jbicha> good morning
[12:16] <everaldo> jbicha, morning
[12:17] <smartboyhw> Hello jbicha
[12:17] <jbicha> bzr commit --author="Name <email>" will allow you to set the author, you'll still be the committer though
[12:18] <everaldo> ah, nice
[12:18] <everaldo> jbicha, thanks
[12:25] <darkxst> jbicha, morning
[12:25] <darkxst> build script is sorted now
[12:25] <smartboyhw> Yay
[12:32] <everaldo> darkxst, yes, build script is much better now
[12:33] <everaldo> but we still use logo.image = Image (logo_filename);
[12:33] <everaldo> but line that defines logo_filename is commented
[12:35] <darkxst> everaldo, you can comment out that line also
[12:38] <everaldo> I am just doing more cleanups
[12:44] <jbicha> speaking of logos....
[12:45] <jbicha> I wish we could add the Ubuntu logo to gdm but I couldn't ever get it to work, which is crazy since several other distros do it
[12:45] <smartboyhw> Ooh
[12:55] <everaldo> jbicha, we can check how Fedora do it
[12:55]  * everaldo downloding fedora 18 iso
[12:56]  * smartboyhw hates Fedora:P
[12:58] <everaldo> when Ubuntu release 11.04 I start to use Fedora
[12:58] <everaldo> for two months
[12:59] <everaldo> but got lots of problems with nvidia and broadcom
[12:59] <everaldo> you must use another repo but theres a delay between updates and lots of time I got my video broken
[12:59] <everaldo> also, other pieces looks broken
[13:00] <everaldo> I love their blue colors and thats all :-)
[13:00] <smartboyhw> .......
[13:00] <everaldo> also, I don't like too much the things that redhat guys are doing with nautilus and empathy
[13:01] <everaldo> I am sad with all removed features :(
[13:14] <everaldo> darkxst, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ecanuto/ubuntu/quantal/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/lp1060123/revision/8
[13:17] <everaldo> all logo references removed
[13:17] <darkxst> everaldo, looks fine
[13:17] <everaldo> and I think that we can also remove all progress_indicator references
[13:17] <everaldo> let me try it
[13:17] <darkxst> no
[13:17] <everaldo> no? why?
[13:17] <darkxst> they are used for the password
[13:19] <everaldo> no, they are not
[13:19] <everaldo> well, it was used by TextYOffset that really don't need to depend  progress_indicator
[13:20] <everaldo> I just remove it and everthing looks ok
[13:21] <everaldo> ah, you mean the image but I am taling about progress_indicator var
[13:42] <everaldo> darkxst, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ecanuto/ubuntu/quantal/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/lp1060123/revision/9
[13:42] <everaldo> if it is ok for you, I will request a merge
[13:50] <darkxst> everaldo, you just broke password
[13:57] <darkxst> or not
[13:57] <darkxst> but do make sure you test it before merging
[14:17] <everaldo> darkxst, it is working here
[14:17] <everaldo> darkxst, why you say that it is broken?
[14:22] <darkxst> everaldo, I was guessing, but its ok
[14:24] <darkxst> anyway I'm off to bed
[14:25] <everaldo> darkxst, ok, good night
[14:31] <everaldo> jbicha, #1060123 is fixed, a merge propose has been created
[14:38]  * smartboyhw is trying to get those Canonical guys to open an unoffficial distros QA Tracker
[14:39] <jbicha> smartboyhw: how many unofficial distros would participate in that?
[14:43] <smartboyhw> jbicha, mere proposal;p
[14:44] <jbicha> I mean, if it's just for Ubuntu GNOME, maybe we'll be official next cycle
[14:46] <smartboyhw> Suggestion:P
[14:46] <smartboyhw> If they ignore I don't care
[16:50] <jbicha> ricotz: I don't know if you saw https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ibus/
[17:07] <jbicha> bad side is that I had trouble running GNOME Shell after ppa-purging that repo, ibus gsettings migration trouble or something
[18:17] <ricotz> jbicha, hi, no, havent seen that
[18:17] <ricotz> i am not familiar with ibus though
[18:29] <jbicha> we need the new ibus to fix bug 1045914
[18:31] <jbicha> or I guess we could try to hack gnome-shell to work with the quantal ibus
[18:32] <ricotz> jbicha, what about the ubuntu/debian maintainers of ibus, is there any progress to start on that
[18:32] <jbicha> for ubuntu, it will have to wait for R as there are too many rdepends
[18:33] <jbicha> I haven't approached the Debian maintainers yet (I'm not sure that ibus is packaged much on the Ubuntu side)
[18:34] <ricotz> ok, R is fine, but this needs to be tested by people actually able to use it
[18:35] <ricotz> and preferable by the original maintainers
[18:35] <ricotz> but irc there were already 1.4.x updates left out :\
[18:38] <jbicha> it seemed to work but I couldn't tell if it was better or worse than ibus 1.4
[18:38] <jbicha> we probably want it in a staging ppa though for those who really need a keyboard layout switcher
[18:40] <jbicha> unfortunately, nux is a rdepends that needs to be rebuilt with the new ibus or Unity won't run :( so it's not something I can guarantee won't break things
[18:40] <ricotz> if i get this right, updating to 1.5 will break things for non-g-s session or does it preserver compatibility
[18:40] <ricotz> ah i see
[18:41] <jbicha> it works today but nux gets updated fairly regularly (it just needs a rebuild but that will take someone paying attention)
[18:41] <ricotz> why does it need a rebuild?
[18:41] <jbicha> soname bump
[18:42] <ricotz> so there is an actual bump or is a bad abi break?
[18:42] <jbicha> and like I said earlier, reverting back to ibus didn't go well when I tried it Monday
[18:43] <ricotz> i see
[18:43] <ricotz> sorry, i need to go
[18:43] <jbicha> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1258630/
[21:14] <darkxst> jbicha, https://www.dropbox.com/s/ckjlp2a19bea5wh/Ubuntu%20UG%20%40%202012-10-04%2007%3A12%3A48.png    :)
[21:17]  * jbicha smiles at Ruper
[21:17] <jbicha> Rupert
[21:18] <darkxst> oh that was for the gnome release notes, screenshots
[21:21] <greg-g> heya, jbicha Have you been able to install UbuntuOne on the UbuntuGNOME? I see I have the syncdaemon running and all that now, but I can't connect the computer to U1 (ie, when I do u1sdtool --connect nothing happens)
[21:21] <darkxst> jbicha, so was that what you wanted? or a different logo
[21:21] <darkxst> ?
[21:21] <greg-g> also, again, thanks for the awesome work on this, you've re-affirmed some of my faith :)
[21:22] <jbicha> darkxst: I didn't know you were doing documentation stuff
[21:23] <darkxst> jbicha, I'm not, just helped out with the screenshots, thats all
[21:23] <jbicha> well that still counts
[21:29] <jbicha> darkxst: yeah I believe that's correct
[21:29] <jbicha> the logo guidelines are a bit confusing http://design.ubuntu.com/assets/ubuntu-logo
[21:30] <jbicha> thanks so much, I tried several times a few weeks ago without getting it to work
[21:31] <darkxst> I guess you didnt try setting it in the override file?'
[21:34] <jbicha> I tried /etc/gdm/greeter.gsettings
[21:50] <darkxst> jbicha, https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/gdm-logo/+merge/127888
[21:52] <darkxst> jbicha, ah yeh, for some reason the logo only loads when set in overrides
[21:56] <jbicha> um, I don't have that file on my computer
[21:59] <jbicha> ah, I'll just substitute /lib/plymouth/ubuntu_logo.png
[22:03] <darkxst> logo was included in the merge request (however bzr missed the install file the first time )
[22:04] <darkxst> and yeh its just copied from plymouth, since I figure there is not guarantee the ubuntu theme has to be installed
[22:07] <jbicha> I don't think we need to copy that file; it's included in plymouth which should be installed and it won't break if that file's not found
[22:09] <everaldo> darkxst, jbicha, we don't have the logo on plymouth theme anymore
[22:09] <jbicha> dpkg -S ubuntu_logo.png
[22:09] <darkxst> everaldo, that was for gdm greeter screen
[22:11] <jbicha> darkxst: on the other hand, we should have a logo for gdm-fallback too but it's a light background
[22:11] <jbicha> how about the black Ubuntu logo with orange circle of friends?
[22:11] <jbicha> I don't think that's pre-installed
[22:12] <everaldo> ah, so it is also available on package "plymouth"
[22:13] <everaldo> I removed it from "plymouth-theme-ubuntu-gnome-logo"
[22:13] <darkxst> jbicha, black on a grey background wont really work?
[22:13] <jbicha> darkxst: I tried using the plymouth logo in fallback mode and it was white text on a light gray background
[22:14] <everaldo> is this the logo on top-left?
[22:15] <darkxst> everaldo, https://www.dropbox.com/s/ckjlp2a19bea5wh/Ubuntu%20UG%20%40%202012-10-04%2007%3A12%3A48.png
[22:15] <jbicha> no, it's a logo in the center right above the name chooser, by default there isn't a logo
[22:15] <jbicha> Fedora wanted a distro logo option
[22:16] <jbicha> I don't think GNOME design likes distro branding
[22:16] <darkxst> jbicha, we could change the background colour of fallback mode
[22:17] <everaldo> darkxst, what it the problem in fallback? do you have a screenshot?
[22:17] <jbicha> logging out for a bit...
[22:18] <darkxst> jbicha, actually can set a different logo for fallback
[22:29] <darkxst> everaldo, I think jbicha was talking about the gdm logo
[22:34] <everaldo> ah
[22:50] <darkxst> oh, it is tiny :( https://www.dropbox.com/s/tt4z91y2stbtavm/Ubuntu%20UG%20%40%202012-10-04%2008%3A49%3A00.png
[22:52] <everaldo> looks nice
[22:52] <everaldo> darkxst, whats about a blue ubuntu logo instead of orange?
[22:52] <everaldo> or black
[22:52] <darkxst> everaldo, I don't think we are allowed to change colours of the logo
[22:53] <everaldo> darkxst, here we have a complete black: http://design.ubuntu.com/assets/ubuntu-logo
[22:55] <darkxst> yeh could use that
[22:55] <darkxst> jbicha, what do you think ? all black or black w/ orange circle of friends?
[23:00] <jbicha> my instinct is for black w/ orange, can you make the logo bigger?
[23:02] <darkxst> better? https://www.dropbox.com/s/55qskqebt989i73/Ubuntu%20UG%20%40%202012-10-04%2009%3A01%3A39.png
[23:05] <jbicha> yeah, is that the same size as the non-fallback logo?
[23:06] <darkxst> hmm, its still a little smaller
[23:06] <darkxst> fallback logo gets shrunk quite a bit
[23:06] <darkxst> where as normal logo is drawn at actual size
[23:11] <darkxst> bigger? https://www.dropbox.com/s/yjbrinwy2j45wwv/Ubuntu%20UG%20%40%202012-10-04%2009%3A10%3A03.png
[23:31] <everaldo> dinner time
[23:57] <darkxst> do we want an orange circle of friends in the normal one too? https://www.dropbox.com/s/44glces0vu04fkz/Ubuntu%20UG%20%40%202012-10-04%2009%3A55%3A30.png


[09:08] <fish_> hrm.. so do I need to use a late script for do /etc/network/interfaces configuration?
[09:52] <fish_> hrm, ubuntu-minimal installs stuff like mlocate and ntfs-3g - not *that* minimal
[09:56] <xnox> fish_: ntfs-3g is in standard, not minimal.
[09:56] <xnox> and *desktopy* seeds / tasks
[10:10] <fish_> xnox: hrm, but in my preseed I have: tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ubuntu-minimal
[10:11] <fish_> well, I also install openssh-server and lxc-docker but I doubt they pull in ntfs-3g
[10:20] <cjwatson> fish_: you also need "tasksel tasksel/skip-tasks string standard" if you want to skip the standard task
[10:20] <fish_> cjwatson: ah! thanks
[10:22] <fish_> but the whole network configuration is just for the installer, right? it seems that it's not writing down the settings to /etc/network/interfaces
[10:24] <cjwatson> it normally should write it, but I'm afraid I don't have time to look today
[10:26] <fish_> cjwatson: okay, guess it just ignores my static network config in the preseed file because I set it to dhcp on the command line
[16:10] <mpt> xnox, the mockup in <http://goo.gl/4xOlO5>  shows “Use Entire Partition” and “Use Entire Disk” buttons that aren’t present in the actual installer. Do you know why?
[16:12] <xnox> mpt: first time I see those buttons. What happens in practice: if there is big enough unallocated space, we just use that without showing this dialog, otherwise we offer to resize an existing one.
[16:12] <xnox> mpt: i'm not sure those buttons make sense, as "Use Entire disk" is option "Wipe and install" on the previous screen.
[16:12] <mpt> That’s what I thought. :) Thanks xnox
[16:13] <xnox> mpt: and "Use Entire Partition" also doesn't quite make sense, as we resize one of the existing ones and use "all" of the created one.
[16:13] <xnox> mpt: no problem.
[16:20] <davmor2> xnox: hey dude the u1 install page is that something you deal with?  or is it our end?  The log in details don't seem to be being passed to gnome-keyring
[16:21] <xnox> davmor2: =/   from day one of this feature there was no defined driver/maintainer for it. So it's blurred lines.
[16:21] <davmor2> yay :'( that makes is so much easier then :(
[16:21] <xnox> davmor2: execute installer / that page, with ubiquity debug mode on & SSO debug mode, & collect all logs & ubiquity console output.... and then we can work out things from there.
[16:22] <xnox> davmor2: are you using a 2fa account? those don't work.
[16:23] <davmor2> hmm that might be the cause
[16:32] <mpt> xnox, eventually we’ll get this document into a shape worth reading in full for the first time. :)
[16:35]  * mpt has never read it in full either
[16:44] <xnox> mpt: don't worry, i haven't read all ubiquity source code either. =)
[16:46] <ogra_> what ?
[16:46] <ogra_> how did we ever let you into the installer team !
[16:47] <ogra_> don't tell me you also havent read all the open bugs yet
[17:05] <xnox> ogra_: psusi makes sure i get archived bug updates sent to me, in batches of 3h long reading =)
[17:05] <ogra_> lol, so he does
[17:05]  * ogra_ gets these too
[17:09] <mpt> If the 3007 open bug reports on Ubiquity average 50 words in length, their combined length is roughly that of “Oliver Twist”
[17:11] <xnox> mpt: what about pages and pages of the attached logs? =)
[17:11] <xnox> mpt: i get to read those bits as well ;-)
[17:15] <mpt> I don’t believe you
[17:16] <mpt> I’ve watched engineers read log files. They don’t read them, they scroll through them and magically stop on the one crucial line that tells them what the bug is
[17:20] <xnox> mpt: it's all done at the expense of gray hair, or using TARDIS to skip the boring parts.
[17:55] <davmor2> mpt: you have too much time on your hands if you have time to look up word counts ;)
[21:48] <Andreas> ubuntu 13.10 installer can't find my SATA drive, any clue why
[21:49] <Andreas> should i try connecting it to another sata port or change some things in bios..?


[18:35] <charlie-tca> bug 323665
[18:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 323665 in debian-installer "Jaunty Xubuntu installation fails at 85% "Select and install software" - 'post-installation trigger python-support'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/323665
[18:36] <charlie-tca> Can't install Xubuntu Jaunty using daily image