[00:02] <almoxarife> is it possible to ignore 'joins' in konversation?
[00:09] <OerHeks> Settings -> Configure Konversation; in the left sidebar, Behavior -> Chat Window; Hide Join/Part/Nick events
[00:13] <almoxarife> OerHeks: thanks for the info, i guess i did not really look for my own self
[00:14] <OerHeks> below that is a nice one, "except for watched nicks and active nicks.."
[00:14] <almoxarife> OerHeks: saw it, i dont have any to watch, yet :)
[00:14] <OerHeks> So you can see active members leave, if i read it correct.
[00:16] <almoxarife> i am in the middle of updating to kde 4.9.3 from 4.9.2 , hoping for the best
[00:17] <OerHeks> Let us know, almoxarife
[00:18] <almoxarife> OerHeks: its opensuse, i am assuming its a safe move
[00:18] <almoxarife> assuming :)
[00:19] <OerHeks> You may. I think the KDE family is closer than Gnome.
[00:19] <dundee> Greetings All.  I am a new comer to KDE/Kubuntu. I have upgraded to KDE 4.9.3 and now when I use Krunner and press enter, the app is not launching as usual.
[00:19] <dundee> I have to click, anyone experiencing the same problem?
[00:20] <OerHeks> I am still @ 4.9.2
[00:20] <almoxarife> dundee: i am about to find out, updating now
[00:21] <almoxarife> dundee: can you downgrade krunner?
[00:21] <dundee> almoxarife: Thanks for responding. I don't know how to downgrade.
[00:22] <almoxarife> dundee: what distro you use?
[00:22] <dundee> I am using Kubuntu
[00:23] <almoxarife> dundee: did you update via a ppa addition?
[00:26] <dundee> Almoxarife: Yes I used a ppa
[00:26] <dundee> Almoxarife: I think its backport
[00:27] <OerHeks> dundee, you can use ppa-purge to restore 4.9.2 , but that will downgrade all packages, not onlu krunner.
[00:27] <OerHeks> c/only
[00:28] <SIR_Taco_> you likely can't just downgrade krunner (for dependency reasons)
[00:30] <dundee>  Ok I see. I did it because on the website it says you should upgrade if you are running 4.9.2 or earlier.
[00:31] <dundee> I have seen may bug fixes so I thought it would be a good thing to upgrade.
[00:31] <almoxarife> dundee: if it is a kde issue i will tell you in a sec, i am updating to 9.3 now in opensuse, tell you in a few min
[00:32] <dundee> almoxarife: Ok .
[00:32] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: I'm in the process of doing the same on this computer... didn't run into the problem on my other computer
[00:34] <almoxarife> SIR_Taco_: which distro?
[00:35] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: Kubuntu 12.10
[00:36] <dundee> yes Kubuntu 12.10
[00:38] <dundee> SIR_Taco:  So its not a KDE issue, its a distro issue?
[00:39] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: not sure yet, give me about 10 mins to finish getting this update :P
[00:39] <SIR_Taco_> well... more like 5 mins
[00:40] <almoxarife> dundee: worked here fine, searched krunner, app showed, hit return, app started
[00:42] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: you have logged out and back in after updating?
[00:43] <dundee> I have this: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu and this: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu in my software sources.
[00:43] <dundee> SIR_Taco: Yes I did that many times
[00:43] <dundee> SIR_Taco: Did you use backports ppa to upgrade?
[00:48] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: no, I'm using regular old updates ppa      ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[00:49] <SIR_Taco_> 12.10 shouldn't exactly have backports for a while
[00:50] <dundee> SIR_Taco: Oh that's probably causing the problem.
[00:50] <dundee> SIR_Taco: Can I purge the backports?
[00:51] <dundee> SIR_Taco: Will the ppa-purge command work?
[00:52] <chefkoch24143> hallo
[00:52] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: you shouldn't be getting updates from the backports. 13.04 is still in planning and very very very early testing phase. There are no packages in 12.10 backports (as far as I know)
[00:53] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: brb, going to logout and back in and see if I run into your problem
[00:55] <almoxarife> update to 9.3 went over well, so far nothing obviously wrong
[00:56] <OerHeks> dundee, sure, install ppa-purge, and use " sudo ppa-purge ppa:<repository-name>"
[00:56] <dundee> almoxarife: I will try and purge the backports now.
[00:57] <almoxarife> dundee: you sure about that move? is krunner the only issue?
[00:57] <almoxarife> dundee: purge has a habit of cause bad things
[00:57] <almoxarife> causing
[00:58] <dundee> almoxarife: Well so far krunner is the only problem that I have seen.
[00:59] <almoxarife> dundee: try to install from 'sources' , back to 4.9.2, i think its 'sources' in synaptic
[00:59] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: interesting.... enter/return doesn't select the proposed program
[01:00] <almoxarife> a ubuntu/kubuntu bug?
[01:01] <almoxarife> can one apt-get a specific version from a selection(repos)?
[01:02] <SIR_Taco_> unless you type the full program name. ie: you can't type 'kons' and see 'Konsole' in the list, and just hit enter/return (as you used to). Also, even typing the full name of the program (like 'konsole') refuses to work
[01:02] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: you can install specific .deb files
[01:03] <almoxarife> SIR_Taco_: so purge krunner and install specific 'krunner' version? 4.9.2?
[01:05] <dundee> SIR_Taco_: You are experiencing the problem now?
[01:05] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: no, as much as KDE is quite modular having and old Krunner with a new KDE will likely not work and/or crash and burn
[01:05] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: yes
[01:05] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: if you hit the up arrow (which cycles through history), then down arrow, it will let you select the program with enter
[01:06] <almoxarife> SIR_Taco_: you the original?
[01:07] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: depends on what you're talking about I guess haha
[01:08] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: but yes, that is a bug and need to be fixed. Have you already submitted a bug?
[01:08] <almoxarife> slash-dot ?
[01:09] <dundee> almoxarife, SIR_Taco_: I guess its a bug. Where do I do that?
[01:10] <dundee> Can I report it here: https://bugs.kde.org/
[01:10] <almoxarife> dundee: thats the thing, installs via ppa are discouraged i believe, but your link cant hurt
[01:11] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: haha, no, not that's a different Taco that works for them
[01:11] <almoxarife> SIR_Taco_: got you
[01:11] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: yes, report it there
[01:12] <dundee> SIR_Taco: Ok I will.
[01:12] <dundee> almoxarife, SIR_Taco_:  Thanks guys.
[01:12] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: not a problem
[01:13] <almoxarife> dundee: good luck with the bug
[01:13] <OerHeks> :-)
[01:13] <dundee> almoxarife, OerHeks: OK
[01:14] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: think cmdr_taco was the slashdot guy :P
[01:15] <almoxarife> SIR_Taco_: thats it, wrong nick
[01:19] <SIR_Taco_> that's an odd bug
[01:21] <almoxarife> personally i would just try reverting the app to 4.9.2 , go for broke
[01:21] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: it will either not work, or break badly if you were to force it
[01:23] <OerHeks> I wouldn't recommend it too, if krunner gets a update, you won'tknow it has been solved too.
[01:26] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: when you finish your bug report, give me the link so I can confirm it for you
[01:27] <dundee> SIR_Taco: Ok.
[01:28] <almoxarife> i stand corrected, i didnt find the package for 'krunner' in opensuse repos, so i assume its part of some other package
[01:32] <OerHeks> plasma-runner-installer
[01:33] <almoxarife> OerHeks: plasma-runner is the pop-up ?
[01:34] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: yes
[01:35] <almoxarife> kdebase4-workspace <-- krunner?
[01:35] <almoxarife> not going to down grade that one sparky
[01:36] <dundee> SIR_Taco:  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309787
[01:36] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: which is why I advised against it :P
[01:37] <almoxarife> SIR_Taco_: i grovelled already, i am grovelled out
[01:37] <SIR_Taco_> no need
[01:38] <almoxarife> that bug is specific to ubuntu, or the ppa, i cant replicate it in opensuse
[01:47] <SIR_Taco_> seems I've completely forgot my bugs.kde.org password...
[01:51] <SIR_Taco_> maybe I'm missing it, but I can't seem to find a 'reset password' option
[01:52] <OerHeks> SIR press login first, then Forgot password appears below the button
[01:52] <OerHeks> not handy
[01:53] <SIR_Taco_> OerHeks: darrr... yea didn't see that for some reason :)
[01:57] <SIR_Taco_> seems I locked my ip out for a bit after guessing wrong :/
[01:58] <SIR_Taco_> at least I reset my password
[02:06] <Robtygart> I messed up typing my email when I was trying to register my nick. Is that a problem?
[02:06] <OerHeks> Robtygart, yes, now you cannot apply the confirmation email.
[02:06] <OerHeks> Robtygart, join #freenode to solve it.
[02:07] <Robtygart> cool thanks
[02:07] <OerHeks> yw
[02:13] <nicekiwi_> is it possible to customise indervidual panels in KDE?
[02:17] <xixor> sup
[02:17] <xixor> nicekiwi_: yes.. of course.  Each panel is it's own panel, to be configured as the great creator in the sky sees fit
[02:21] <nicekiwi_> xixor, really? Even the look and feel of them? Colours etc?
[02:21] <xixor> nicekiwi_: oh, colors.. not sure aboot that, eh
[02:24] <nicekiwi_> xixor, yeah..
[02:24] <xixor> hm.... I dunno
[02:25] <nicekiwi_> I feel the answer is no :/
[02:25] <xixor> yeah, I don't think so
[02:25] <xixor> maybe
[02:25] <xixor> I don't know
[02:25] <xixor> je suis a n000b
[02:25] <ozzzy> how do I install a .deb that's local on my hard drive
[02:25] <xixor> dpkg -i midgetporno.deb
[02:26] <OerHeks> nicekiwi_, maybe this page is a start>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[02:27] <nicekiwi_> OerHeks, no seems like the simplist answer
[02:30] <jedihawk> kubuntu fresh install, kernel panic upon boot:  http://dropcanvas.com/oje4f
[02:33] <jedihawk> I think this system is cursed.
[02:33] <jedihawk> There are cursed items in the world.  This system may be one of them.
[02:34] <nicekiwi_> jedihawk, did ur install disk validate checksum?
[02:34] <OerHeks> jedihawk, i have a wild guess, did you enable VT in your bios, that is a memory protection in the CPU
[02:34] <jedihawk> nicekiwi_: Yes. I made sure of that, because every USB installer I've made thus far as failed.
[02:34] <nicekiwi_> jedihawk, eeks. How did you create the USB installers?
[02:34] <jedihawk> OerHeks: Where do I find this setting?
[02:35] <OerHeks> jedihawk, depends on your bios , example > http://www.sysprobs.com/disable-enable-virtualization-technology-bios
[02:36] <OerHeks> CPU features, i think
[02:37] <jedihawk> nicekiwi_: Linux Live USB Creator (linuxliveusb.com), Universal USB Installer (pendrivelinux.com), and UNetbootin (http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/).
[02:40] <jedihawk> OerHeks: Secure Virtual Machine Mode?
[02:40] <nicekiwi_> jedihawk, ive has major corruption issues with anything except the "Startup Disk Creator" that comes with Ubuntu. Better to use that
[02:40] <OerHeks> jedihawk, yes, Intel has a different name for it than AMD
[02:42] <jedihawk> nicekiwi_: this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick links to http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/download, which I've already tried (several times).
[02:42] <nicekiwi_> jedihawk, like I said..
[02:43] <OerHeks> and make sure your HDD controller is set to AHCI, not ide-mode
[02:45] <jedihawk> OerHeks: Maybe that's the issue.  It was set to IDE.  I've changed it to AHCI for both sets of ports.  Rebooting now...
[02:46] <OerHeks> :-)
[02:47] <ozzzy> well.... all the dependencies are there... ./configure runs perfect... but make fails
[02:47] <jedihawk> can't find a bood device now.  :-(
[02:47] <SIR_Taco> there we go, back on bugs.kde.org :)
[02:47] <ozzzy> god I love this crap
[02:47] <OerHeks> jedihawk, oke, then you have to do a install, for the last time i hope.
[02:48] <OerHeks> i hope you don't have xp on that drive too.
[02:48] <OerHeks> it won't work anymore after changing to AHCI.
[02:49] <jedihawk> OerHeks: nope, linux only.
[02:50] <jedihawk> had to change the boot order, found the proper hard drive to boot up on.  same result, kernel panic.
[02:50] <jedihawk> the strange thing is that I've been running Ubuntu on this hardware for the last five or six years without issue.  then I did an upgrade, the system wouldn't boot, so I decided to start fresh.
[02:51] <jedihawk> ...the curse of the perfectly-running linux system...
[02:51] <jedihawk> ...no longer running at all.  it's sad when my WinXP machine is more stable than my linux machine.
[02:52] <xixor> my windows xp, vista, windows 7, and now, windows 8 machines have all been rock solid stable
[02:53] <jedihawk> xixor: yeah. almost makes me want to stop using linux. almost.
[02:53] <xixor> all operating systems suck
[02:53] <xixor> some just suck a little bit less at certain things than others
[02:54] <jedihawk> xixor: yeah. and this one seems to be cursed as well!
[02:55] <xixor>  why wouldn't the ubuntu s ystem boot on startup after the upgrade?
[02:56] <OerHeks> most commen issue: videodriver.
[02:56] <jedihawk> xixor: don't know. the screen was blank (power-saving off) and I couldn't switch to any virtual terminals.
[02:56] <xixor> this was a fresh install, or an upgrade?
[02:56] <jedihawk> couldn't SSH in to it either. also no hard drive activity.
[02:57] <jedihawk> this was back after I did the upgrade.
[02:57] <xixor> OS upgrades... never been a fan.  On mac, linux, or windows... they're always a crapshoot.
[02:57] <OerHeks> it makes me wonder, working fine with IDE-mode ..
[02:59] <xixor> I back my shit up, double-plus good, and re-install fresh
[02:59] <jedihawk> xixor: good policy.
[03:00] <xixor> yep
[03:00] <jedihawk> I guess I'll need to buy a new machine. maybe I can re-use my existing hard drives.
[03:00] <xixor> hm..
[03:00] <xixor> maybe try a live CD?
[03:01] <jedihawk> I just tried disconnecting the other hard drives, in case they were causing trouble. but I still get the kernel panic upon boot.
[03:01] <jedihawk> I'm betting that the hard drives are not the issue.
[03:01] <xixor> lol, I sneeze and my kernel panics, doesn't mean you need a new computer
[03:02] <jedihawk> yaa, but I don't know where to go from here.  was stable for years, now it won't even boot up with a fresh install.  :-(
[03:02] <xixor> oic
[03:02] <xixor> I thought this was an upgrade that was working fine
[03:02] <xixor> I dunno, sounds like you just had a mutt.  Some computers just weren't meant to run lolnux, so sayeth the great user in the sky
[03:03] <SIR_Taco> dundee: added my 2 cents to your bug report
[03:03] <jedihawk> the "upgrade" started me on this adventure. the "upgrade" seems to have killed my system so much that not even a re-install will work.
[03:05] <xixor> jedihawk: lol.  computers are awesome.
[03:05] <jedihawk> xixor: after five or six years of stability, now it decides not to work?
[03:05] <xixor> five or six years is like 50 years in dog years for comptuers
[03:05] <jedihawk> xixor: now booting up in to "live mode" from one of my USB drives...
[03:05] <xixor> does that work?
[03:05] <OerHeks> five years is a lifetime, in the pcmarket
[03:06] <jedihawk> yes, that works.  I see the KDE desktop.
[03:06] <dundee> SIR_Taco:  Thanks.
[03:07] <jedihawk> network works.
[03:07] <SIR_Taco> dundee: I'll follow it and see what I can do to fix it in my sparse time if possible
[03:08] <jedihawk> I've mounted my active partition /dev/sda1
[03:08] <dundee> SIR_Taco: Ok
[03:10] <jedihawk> dang, my home dir is over 200G!
[03:12] <jedihawk> geez, mplayer2 works with sound.  I could almost run my system like this.
[03:16] <xixor> jedihawk: second times the charm.  If it were me, I'd re-install kubuntu 12.10, format the system drives, etc.  I have my lolnux boxes setup with /home on separate partitions, so the system installed on / can be lost without much consequence
[03:19] <jedihawk> xixor: good idea. I'm thinking I'll put my /home dir on an entirely separate drive next time.
[04:56] <jedihawk> I think I found the problem.  Or A problem.  While browsing my home dir (and pruning), the drive mount went away. Looking in /dev/ for the drive, there was no /dev/sda*. So it seems that my main drive is hozed.  :-(  There are cursed items in the world, and this is one of them.
[06:42] <noaXess> morning..
[06:42] <noaXess> what is the key to load grub2 menu on boot? shift?
[06:42] <noaXess> left/right?
[06:48] <almoxarife> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 <-- how about any key according to the link?
[06:49] <almoxarife> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 <-- how about any key according to the link? noaXess
[07:04] <noaXess> hey almoxarife.. thanks... so right shift. and sometimes ESC HA
[07:07] <noaXess> anyone here has talked about a new browser.. hm.. don't rebmber the name
[07:11] <noaXess> ha got it.. qupzilla ;)
[08:56] <harry12> why is kubuntu so neglected by media and in general?
[08:56] <harry12> its hardly been reviewed the last year
[09:45] <hydron> hi every body
[09:46] <noaXess> hi hydron
[09:47] <hydron> I organise a club of infomatics and robotics, tomorrow, I'm going give them an introduction to linux using Kubuntu as example
[09:47] <hydron> and of course most of them are using windows
[09:47] <hydron> and don't have a fast cinnexion in the university
[09:48] <OerHeks> What continent/country/city ?
[09:48] <hydron> Morocco
[09:48] <hydron> so I want them to install Kubuntu with wubi installer
[09:48] <hydron> offline
[09:49] <OerHeks> great! if you have internet there, show them this IRC support :-)
[09:49] <hydron> I mean, having a downloaded iso image, is that possible ?
[09:49] <hydron> :D of course
[09:49] <hydron> but our internet is very low
[09:50] <hydron> and may be It want be working Sunday :P
[09:50] <OerHeks> sure, wubi is on the kubuntu.iso
[09:50] <hydron> no, It isn't, I guess
[09:50] <swex> Hi all!
[09:51] <OerHeks> Yes it is, i just checked
[09:51] <OerHeks> hi swex
[09:51] <hydron> just to be sure, please give the link where from you downloaded the image
[09:51] <hydron> hi swex
[09:51] <swex> I found interesting stuff! Kplayer (kde mplayer ui) adds shortcut to right click context menu
[09:52] <OerHeks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.10/release/
[09:52] <hydron> thank you a lot :D
[09:53] <swex> how to implement that?
[10:05] <noaXess> fu.. my xorg is getting me crazy..
[10:05] <yossarianuk> hey - maybe offtopic (again) but can I ask a query about KVM here?
[10:15] <Kottizen> Hi. Is it possible to install the tablet version on a Nexus 7?
[10:19] <thechef> I have trouble using SFTP in conjunction with a filemanager
[10:20] <thechef> It's unreliable.
[10:21] <thechef> But I don't understand this, because the tool sftp is reliable and I'd expect they share code so there is no way KDE could disable sftp from working properly when launched from Dolphin
[10:22] <slacking_rich> Hello all-I am running kubuntu 12.10 and my sound devices seem to have been replaced with pulseaudio in phonon-the audio no longer seems to work either ><
[10:23] <slacking_rich> Does anyone have any input on how to fix it?:)
[10:25] <slacking_rich> The weird thing is I am sure the individual devices were listed in phonon yesterday, now it just shows pulse.
[10:26] <yossarianuk> slacking_rich, if all else fails and your sure you haven't changed any hardward/drivers you could always do
[10:26] <yossarianuk> sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm stop
[10:27] <yossarianuk> (as your user)
[10:27] <yossarianuk> rm -rf ~/.kde
[10:27] <yossarianuk> sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm start
[10:27] <yossarianuk> - this will wipe all kde settings (including kde apps) to default
[10:28] <lordievader> Better to move the .kde (to .kde.bak) than to delete.
[10:28] <slacking_rich> yossarianuk: Thanks, but I'd rather not lose my other settings. It was working fine yesterday, I did install some updates but I think it was just apache.
[10:28] <lordievader> Believe that kmail stores it mail in there, so if you are using POP it ain't a good idea to go around deleting the folder...
[10:32] <yossarianuk> Have you tried to just restart kde?
[10:33] <slacking_rich> yossarianuk: No, I just turned the pc on this morning.
[10:33] <noaXess> hm.. since xorg from 12.10 i need to disable desktop effects complete .. with desktop effects after minutes, xorg going up to 20-40% cpu ussage and i can't work on my machine..
[10:33] <yossarianuk> worth a go
[10:35] <slacking_rich> yossarianuk: Thanks, I'll try that and see if it works. Does kde actually require pulseaudio?
[10:37] <lordievader> slacking_rich: No you could use alsa with kde, you might even be able to uses OSS but of that I'm not sure.
[10:38] <yossarianuk> kde doesn't but some ubuntu packages (i.e kubuntu packages are designed for it by default)
[10:38] <slacking_rich> lordievader: Thanks, I am just looking at the pulse documentation now.
[10:38] <lordievader> slacking_rich: However for most people PulseAudio has matured enough to be fine for them.
[10:38] <yossarianuk> i.e I run arch and KDE with no pulseaudio
[10:38] <yossarianuk> oddly I have the least issues with that....
[10:39] <slacking_rich> lordievader: Yeah, I don't wnat to break anything. The pulse website states that: This generally implies that Phonon has been compiled correctly with PulseAudio support but the KDE-specific support module for PulseAudio has not been loaded.
[10:40] <lordievader> slacking_rich: What is your problem exactly?
[10:41] <noaXess> in 12.10 is lightdm new dm?
[10:41] <yossarianuk> yes
[10:41] <noaXess> default dm..
[10:41] <noaXess> hm.. ok
[10:42] <yossarianuk> I think you can change back if you want.
[10:42] <noaXess> yossarianuk: which is better and faster?
[10:42] <noaXess> kdm or lightdm?
[10:42] <lordievader> noaXess: Kdm probably got corrupted in the upgrade, but you can simply reinstall it and it will work again.
[10:42] <yossarianuk> well I have used kdm for nearly 10 years...
[10:43] <yossarianuk> kdm seems easier to theme.
[10:43] <noaXess> lordievader: you mean on upgrade 12.04 to 12.10 kdm was removed and lightdm set as defaut?
[10:43] <slacking_rich> lordievader: No audio in kde, also the devices were not showing in phonon
[10:43] <noaXess> can that cause xorg cpu usage?
[10:43] <slacking_rich> lordievader: But running 'start-pulseaudio-kde' seems to have fixed it.
[10:44] <lordievader> noaXess: In my upgraded kdm wasn't removed, just got corrupted...
[10:44] <noaXess> on a fresch 12.10 install, which is the default dm on kubuntu?
[10:45] <lordievader> noaXess: Ligtdm, for your xorg problem check the logs, they might give you a hint.
[10:46] <noaXess> lordievader: ok... lunch first ;).. bbs
[10:51] <slacking_rich> yossarianuk, lordievader: Thanks for the help both, going to get back to work now its fixed:)
[11:46] <devin_> has anyone here messed with PlayOnLinux
[11:46] <devin_> ?
[12:00] <invariant> devin_, yes
[12:01] <invariant> devin_, it's a good idea, but the scripts are generally bad.
[12:01] <invariant> devin_, I have not ever been able to use it for anything.
[12:01] <invariant> devin_, that is, I wanted to try it on some applications that I had configured by hand in a new profile, but they didn't work, and as such I strongly recommend you to understand how wine works yourself.
[12:02] <invariant> Is 4.9.3 going to work on 12.04?
[12:03] <devin_> dont know im using 12.10 and im not real solid on the whole wine concept yet
[12:03] <invariant> devin_, if your time is worth a lot to you, you should just use a separate Windows machine.
[12:04] <invariant> devin_,  that said, I find wine to be a useful program, as opposed to PlayOnLinux.
[12:04] <devin_> lol, no i like to learn alos im holding a grudge against msoft atm
[12:05] <invariant> devin_, you should use it because it is better for your purposes, not for phych. reasons.
[12:05] <invariant> pscy. *
[12:08] <devin_> for the reasons of one OS simplicity, and not having to deal with ridiculous licensing/warranty rules and bad customer support? certainly
[12:09] <yossarianuk> However its best not to fund a patent troll which in turn funds legal attacks against computing for mankind
[12:09] <yossarianuk> especially as tax payers are *forced* to fund microsoft through taxes
[12:09] <devin_> YES THAT! THANKYOU
[12:10] <yossarianuk> schools, hopitals m etc all use windows paid for by the tax payer - there is no reason at all that the police 'needs' windows.
[12:12] <amichair> Hi, is there a list of temp/cache folders that can be safely erased if necessary, or excluded from backup? i.e. ~/.cache, ~/.kde/cache*, ~/.thumbnails, etc.?
[12:13] <devin_> except that its a universal system that every one already knows, apple is slowly breaking that wall down though
[12:16] <bartson> hi, can somebody pls tell me where to find the temp files of flash player. used to be in /tmp but it's not there anymore.
[12:22] <yossarianuk> bartson  usually there are in ~/.macomedia
[12:22] <yossarianuk> ~/.adobe
[12:25] <hydron> once I installed the dropbox plugin for dolphin, I tried It, but didn't work, so I uninstalled It, but the dropbox entry in the right click menu is still apearing, how to get ride of It ?
[12:26] <bartson> thx yoss
[12:27] <yossarianuk> hydron: the menu might be stored in ~/.kde/share/kde4/services/ServiceMenus
[12:27] <yossarianuk> you could re-install it then
[12:27] <yossarianuk> apt-get --purge remove it
[12:27] <hydron> remove what ?
[12:27] <hydron> dolphin ?
[12:28] <Peace-> bartson: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/flash-video-chromium-where-does-chromium-save-flash-videos/
[12:29] <bartson> thank u Peace though i'm using firefox
[12:29] <Peace-> bartson: just use download helper to download flash videos
[12:29] <Peace-> bartson: addons
[12:31] <Peace-> bartson: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/09/plasma-desktopd21071.png
[12:31] <devin_> well wait a sec if its firefox then heres something,http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/saving-flash-videos-in-linux-tmp-no-longer-works
[12:32] <devin_> but i thought that problem was already solved
[12:32] <hydron> yossarianuk: you didn't tell me what to remove
[12:33] <Peace-> on firefox you need to find out the flash file somewhere  i mean is hard devin_
[12:33] <bartson> well thx but that post is really old
[12:33] <Peace-> devin_: with download helper it's trivial to save flash
[12:33] <devin_> oh ok
[12:33] <Peace-> you can even convert files into mp3
[12:34] <Peace-> if you have ffmpeg installed properly
[12:34] <bartson> ja i know
[12:34] <devin_> yeah i used something like that on win xp before
[12:34] <bartson> but it's not exactly what i'm lookin for
[12:35] <bartson> would be nice if all my stream still would be in the /tmp folder
[12:36] <devin_> do yall someone would use a WINEPREFIX rather than install a wine program straight to my drive_c directory
[12:37] <Peace-> bartson: it's the same right now but it's harder to find it
[12:38] <bartson> why still using Windows devin?
[12:39] <Peace-> find .mozilla/firefox/*.default/Cache -type f -exec file {} \;  | grep Flash
[12:39] <Peace-> bartson:
[12:39] <ozzzy> windows works AND is supports hardware I need AND has software that linux doesn't
[12:39] <devin_> i was up until they screwed me a few weeks ago before that i switched back and forth
[12:39] <ozzzy> but... as I don't need either on my desktop that's where linux lies
[12:40] <amichair> Hi, is there a list of temp/cache folders that can be safely erased if necessary, or excluded from backup? I found ~/.cache, ~/.kde/cache*, ~/.thumbnails, ~/.local/share/Trash, but there are probably more...
[12:40] <devin_> i think its still an interesting system from a technical perspective
[12:41] <bartson> what is it specific what brings u back to windows?
[12:41] <yossarianuk> hydron - sorry never used dropbox...
[12:41] <yossarianuk> assuming you installed a debfile
[12:42] <Peace-> amichair: cache is cache so the datas in those folders will be erased sometime
[12:42] <yossarianuk> (or via apt)
[12:42] <yossarianuk> try to find out package name with
[12:42] <yossarianuk> dpkg -l | grep -i dropbox
[12:42] <Peace-> you need to install kfiledrop
[12:42] <Peace-> to use dropbox on kde
[12:43] <hydron> thank you
[12:43] <amichair> Peace-: they should be, but not necessarily when u need the disk space, or when it wastes resources when traversing the filesystem for other reasons, or taking up many GBs of backup capacity unnecessarily...
[12:43] <hydron> the plugin doesn't aprear as a package
[12:43] <Peace-> hydron: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/how-to-use-dropbox-and-kde-or-kubuntu/
[12:43] <bartson> devin?
[12:43] <Peace-> hydron: for the service menu i wil help you after
[12:43] <Peace-> i guess i did a version that should work
[12:44] <hydron> ok, thank you very much Peace :)
[12:44] <devin_> well its so widespread that it easily works with almost anything
[12:45] <devin_> but its seriously lacking on open source
[12:46] <devin_> and linux is easier to optimise to my specific wants thats why i switched
[12:47] <devin_> have yall heard of reactOS
[12:47] <Peace-> hydron: to use the service menu try this http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4127065/DropboxServiceMenu-0.16.1_peace.tar.gz
[12:47] <Peace-> it's a version i fixed it should work correctly
[12:48] <hydron> how to install it please ?
[12:48] <hydron> as a plugin for dolphin ?
[12:48] <Peace-> untar it
[12:49] <Peace-> hydron: then there is a script that install it
[12:49] <hydron> ok, I see It :)
[12:49] <Peace-> so from konsole ./installer-name
[12:50] <hydron> so, what comes after running the script ?
[12:51] <bartson> yes, ReactOS supossed to be a windows clone
[12:51] <Peace-> hydron: have you read my post ?
[12:51] <Peace-> hydron: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/how-to-use-dropbox-and-kde-or-kubuntu/
[12:51] <bartson> but personally I think it's never getting finished
[12:52] <devin_> not a clone necessarily, wouldnt a clone have to be a specific version of windows
[12:53] <hydron> I think I need to install kfilebox :)
[12:53] <devin_> yeah maybe how long does an apha stage normally take
[12:53] <bartson> definitely no! Linux for example is a Unix clone
[12:54] <bartson> there's no orig. unix code in linux
[12:54] <devin_> i see your point
[12:55] <bartson> i tried reactos over two years ago
[12:55] <Peace-> hydron: btw i need to test the service menu users has said there is a problem
[12:55] <bartson> seems nothing developed further till now
[12:56] <hydron> I'm installing kfilebox now
[12:57] <devin_> me too the blog still looks active though
[12:58] <devin_> i wonder whats going on
[12:58] <bartson> but i can't see a point for ReactOS anyway
[12:58] <ozzzy> no kfilebox package here
[12:58] <ozzzy> but... dropbox works without it
[12:58] <bartson> it's as useless as KDE on Windows
[12:58] <bartson> no Point at all
[13:01] <devin_> haha the point is for people like me who think software should be open source as much as practicle so other people can make it better
[13:02] <bartson> sure, in Kubuntu u got it all
[13:02] <bartson> no need for an old fashione windows clone
[13:03] <devin_> thats why i use kubuntu but not everyone has heard the gospel yet
[13:03] <devin_> espescially software publishers
[13:03] <Peace-> guys for chat there is #kubuntu-offtopic tx
[13:04] <devin_> k
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:04] <bartson> come on it's quiet here anyways
[13:05] <Peace-> bartson: this is support man , you can talk better on the offtopic room
[13:07] <bartson> yea u right
[13:09] <bartson> Peace: Are  u a official support team? or ur just a nice guy to help ppl?
[13:09] <bartson> just don know how this works here exactly??
[13:09] <Peace-> bartson: i am here since 4\5 years
[13:10] <Peace-> and yea i know how her it works
[13:10] <bartson> but i mean is this ur freetime here?
[13:10] <Peace-> well right now i am working
[13:10] <Peace-> xD
[13:11] <bartson> admin?
[13:11] <Peace-> sure
[13:23] <Peace-> hydron: i have tested my version and it works
[13:38] <cubbybear> hi all just installed 12.10 and I am trying to install my Brother MFC j835dw printer. I installed the print driver but could not install the cupswarapper due to cannot fill dependencies. Can someone help get this running
[13:40] <BluesKaj> cubbybear, have you updated/upgraded since your install ?
[13:41] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: I updated the system after the install an before I attempted to get printer running
[13:42] <BluesKaj> cubbybear, also run , dist-upgrade
[13:42] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: ok
[13:43] <BluesKaj> there was a cups ugrade a few days ago
[13:44] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: I am geting comand not found error
[13:46] <Peace-> cubbybear: wait can you install and managet your printer here ? http://localhost:631/printers
[13:46] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get update:sudo apt-get upgrade , then , sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:55] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: Same problem Printer apperas in list of printers, but the print driver does not apperar in the list of drivers
[13:56] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: did the upgrade thing and tried the localhost thing
[13:57] <Peace-> cubbybear: try to install your printer from here http://localhost:631/printers
[13:57] <Peace-> cubbybear: remove teh printer then you reinstall always from http://localhost:631/printers
[13:58] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: tried that the same thing the printer is seen but the printdriver does not appear in the list of print drivers
[13:59] <Peace-> sorry dunno
[13:59] <Peace-> bye
[13:59] <BluesKaj> cubbybear, have you tried this site for the driver , you might need it , http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html
[14:01] <cubbybear> That is where I got the driver and the cupswrapper and I followed their printed instruction to install including following the prerequists
[14:04] <BluesKaj> cubbybear, right , then their driver is probly not up to date , that's all I can think of atm
[14:05] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: thanks I am going to try a shutdown and restart that is the last thing I can think of
[15:05] <AMDAthlon> will kubuntu get kde 4.9.3?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> amd it's already in the kubuntu- ppa
[15:07] <BluesKaj> AMDAthlon,^
[15:08] <AMDAthlon> oh
[15:08] <AMDAthlon> will it make its way into 12.10 outside of PPA?
[15:08] <AMDAthlon> ether way thanks!
[15:08] <BluesKaj> eventually ..probly soon
[15:09] <AMDAthlon> thanks man! g2g
[15:22] <onitg> Hey guys, i was wondering if there was a supported way to install a more recent version of kmix (due to the following bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309045). someone told me to try to use the kubuntu ppa and see if there's a more up to date version of it (is it the launchpad page?) but i don't know how much is officially supported.
[15:55] <rijack> if i has NAS with music can amorok set that as a default library or sync source
[15:56] <DarthFrog> rijack: Is it an NFS mount?
[15:57] <ozzzy> so... how do I get kubuntu to let me at the it87 sensors
[15:58] <rijack> i think it defaulted to samba i not real knowledgable about nas and harddrive doesnt like anything but ntfs. somehow Kubuntu still reads and writes to it fine
[15:59] <DarthFrog> rijack: When you say Kubuntu reads/writes to it, specifically what is it reading/writing to?  To a mounted filesystem?
[16:02] <rijack> to the drive it doesnt show up as mounted unless i plug it into the usb but the system will R/W whether it usb or network
[16:04] <DarthFrog> Well, if you have it as a mounted filesystem, yes you can set Amarok to use it.
[16:06] <andycheng> hhi
[16:10] <rijack> ok how do set it up right now it says it needs a smb protocol source plugin and cant find it. also can it be set up as part of the local collection so i dont have to navigate to it
[16:12] <BluesKaj> rijack, does the drive show in places in dolphin
[16:12] <na-utusan> when is 4.9.3 coming to 12.04 LTS ?
[16:14] <rijack> well indirectly yes, ill get the path just a sec
[16:15] <keithzg> So, I notice there isn't any plasma-active package for ARM in the Ubuntu repos, at least as far as packages.ubuntu.com is concerned. I'd love to try out Plasma Active on a Nexus 7, however; are there any built packages somewhere?
[16:16] <rijack> network / Samba Shares/ Workgroup/ Router(Belkin Router)/ Drive(A1)
[16:19] <BluesKaj> rijack , it's connected to the router by usb , that's a different story
[16:20] <rijack> uh oh will it still work
[16:21] <BluesKaj> rijack, if the router is NTFS then connecting it to a pc would be simpler , just set up the drive to share with other pcs
[16:21] <Bladesfist1> Hmm, come on here to report my issue and it disappears, I am watching you desura.
[16:23] <BluesKaj> not the router sorry i meant to say "drive "
[16:23] <BluesKaj> rijack, ^
[16:24] <BluesKaj> ok let's clear this up rijack , to what is the drive connected ?
[16:27] <rijack> the router via USB
[16:27] <rijack> if i navigate thru places and click a song
[16:27] <BluesKaj> rijack, one question , why to the router ?
[16:28] <rijack> vlc will play it
[16:28] <rijack> i Want multiple computers to access it
[16:29] <rijack> but amarok say it needs some other plugin
[16:30] <rijack> i would rather use amorok cause i like the interface better
[16:30] <BluesKaj> ok , always on , but a pc connection with share permissions works as well
[16:30] <BluesKaj> which plugin rijack
[16:31] <rijack> hold on
[16:31] <rijack> SMB protocol source
[16:31] <rijack> when it searches for this it can never find it
[16:34] <BluesKaj> rijack, in amarok plugins , check SMB (Windows) share backend
[16:36] <BluesKaj> amarok>settings>configure amarok>plugins
[16:36] <rijack> iits checked
[16:40] <noaXess> still have issues with xorg cpu usage if desktop effects are enabled.. logfile Xorg.0.log does not show any specials
[16:40] <noaXess> does a switch from lightdm to kdm be a solution?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> I wish i could recreate your issue , but my router doesn't have usb , i just leave my external drive connected to my always on pc
[16:41] <BluesKaj> rijack,^
[17:01] <onitg> Hey guys, i was wondering if there was a supported way to install a more recent version of kmix (due to the following bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309045). someone told me to try to use the kubuntu ppa and see if there's a more up to date version of it (is it the launchpad page?) but i don't know how much is officially supported. (it usually corrupts the graphics after a while)
[17:03] <BluesKaj> onitg, what's the advantage of the newer kmix over the present one ?
[17:03] <onitg> when an application (any application) plays a sound
[17:03] <onitg> the whole system tray flickers and bounces around
[17:03] <onitg> it usually end up full of artifacts
[17:04] <BluesKaj> hmm on 12.10 ?
[17:04] <onitg> it's the same bug i've linked
[17:04] <onitg> if i completely close kmix the bug doesn't happen
[17:04] <onitg> yeah i'm using the latest release, with all the updates applied
[17:05] <onitg> i have to remove it because each time i receive an IM (sound notification) play a video or some music the system tray starts to bounce around until it corrupts the graphics
[17:05] <onitg> even with flash player on web pages
[17:06] <BluesKaj> onitg, I haven't experienced that ,... could it be the desktop theme perhaps ?
[17:06] <onitg> i don't know, it's the same bug that is reported to the page i've linked
[17:06] <onitg> if i remove kmix everything works fine
[17:07] <onitg> i can try to change theme
[17:07] <onitg> but i didn't install any, i'm using the one provided with kubuntu
[17:08] <onitg> ok i tried with other themes from the default installation and the problem persists
[17:09] <onitg> so i can either update kmix from somewhere else, or try to revert back to the previous kubuntu version
[17:14] <BluesKaj> ...BBL
[17:15] <onitg> BluesKaj: see you later
[17:21] <xwalk> I just finished up this function to find the mean, median, mode or range of a series of numbers. I think the code that handles the statistics is okay, but I'm not sure on how to go about error checking (if the user tries to send a list of strings as an argument, which wouldn't be supported by the first and last if statements in the function) or if it would even be warranted as I know nothing about error checking in code. Can someone take
[17:21] <xwalk>  a look?  http://bpaste.net/show/9M7gPfuBRxCHC9uJquIr/
[17:24] <tsimpson> xwalk: #python would be a better place to ask
[17:24] <xwalk> *facepalm extreme mode*
[17:24] <xwalk> Wrong channel tab...
[17:24] <Pici> .39
[17:24] <Pici> oops
[17:38] <BluesKaj> rijack, let's discuss the issue here , rather than in offtopic
[17:38] <rijack> oh oops
[17:39] <BluesKaj> prtscn
[17:39] <rijack> terminal command?
[17:39] <BluesKaj> on your keyboard, it's beside f12 on mine
[17:40] <BluesKaj> so you've decided to remain connected to the router ?
[17:42] <rijack> yes ithink this is a fixable issue because i can navigate throught places to the drive double click on a song and it plays
[17:43] <rijack> but that same error come and its not until i click cancel that the sooong stops
[17:44] <BluesKaj> rijack, you can do that when connected to on any linux pc , and if the drive uses ntfs then any windows pc as well
[17:45] <BluesKaj> I find samba unreliable
[17:46] <rijack> k so why is it aproblem to do it through the media player
[17:46] <rijack> what is the dif between smb and what i just did
[17:49] <BluesKaj> it's not the media player , it's the connection to the router that can cause problems , connecting it to apc that's always on is more reliable
[17:50] <BluesKaj> no smb or samba needed
[17:56] <rijack> is there a place where i can read more about this
[17:56] <BluesKaj> a router connection sounds more direct but it's not due to the network/router protocol required by such a connection, unless you have router access thru it's webpage and options settings , but not all routers are that configurable
[17:56] <Peace-> rijack: what's the problem samba again ?
[17:57] <rijack> cause i dont know anything about routers
[18:00] <rijack> trying to stream direct from hard drive thru usb@router to amarok
[18:00] <Peace-> rijack: ah amarok
[18:00] <Peace-> i guess there was a problem with that
[18:00] <Peace-> and there is the wiki
[18:00] <Peace-> let me try to find out
[18:01] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :) http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=155117&file1=155117-1.jpeg&file2=&file3=&name=Dark+Rock+Solid++Nowardev
[18:01] <Peace-> rijack: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Samba
[18:03] <rijack> thankyou i will at it
[18:04] <BluesKaj> Peace-, he wants the drive connected to his router
[18:04] <rijack> is smb.conf of interest to me on this
[18:05] <Peace-> BluesKaj: ok but there is a computer right ? or not?
[18:05] <Peace-> BluesKaj: or it's a special device?
[18:05] <rijack> there is a computer at the client not the server
[18:07] <rijack> the server is integrated into the router, its a belkin n750db
[18:07] <kunal> hii
[18:08] <rijack> it seem to have a reasonable powerful firmware so it looks like imight be learning router scripting soon
[18:18] <BluesKaj> rijack, you may not need to do any scripting , just find the router assigned IP of the drive the routers internal webpage networking options or some such and use the IP with the "add network folder" in dolphin /network
[18:19] <rijack> alright let me see what i can find
[18:20] <BluesKaj> bbiab ...going to check mail/postbox
[18:26] <rijack> well i know the router is unix based now
[18:29] <rijack> this is what the router calls it     /tmp/sda1 : /mnt/shared/Drive(A1)
[18:30] <BluesKaj> rijack, no IP ?
[18:31] <rijack> i couldnt find one but i did find an option to create a virtual server
[18:32] <rijack> i could send prtscrn if i figure out how to upload images\
[18:33] <DarthFrog> !imagebin | rijack
[18:34] <BluesKaj> rijack, well , I'm not familiar with the router but any pcs or devices connected usually have an IP address assigned in the "connected devices " list or page
[18:35] <genii-around> Well, I just got here so not sure what came before. But some of them use only command-line interface like Juniper
[18:36] <rijack> i understand but this one only ounted it as sda1
[18:36] <rijack> i was looking at the log when i plugged it in
[18:36] <rijack> then i went to the dhcp list and nothing
[18:44] <ozzzy> what are the consequences of turning acpi off
[18:49] <BluesKaj> ozzzy, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2075434
[18:52] <ozzzy> I used to be able to set acp_enforce_resources to lax and have my fans show up... doesn't work now
[19:15] <onitg> Hey guys, i was wondering if there was a supported way to install a more recent version of kmix (due to the following bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309045). someone told me to try to use the kubuntu ppa and see if there's a more up to date version of it (is it the launchpad page?) but i don't know how much is officially supported. (it usually corrupts the graphics after a while)
[19:20] <Peace-> onitg: just install veromix ?
[19:21] <onitg> Peace-: that's far from being a fix (the bug is still there) but if it provides the same functionality i guess i can try it out
[19:22] <Peace-> onitg: sudo apt-get install plasma-wdiget-veromix
[19:25] <onitg> Peace-: it's not so nice but i guess i can use it for now
[19:26] <onitg> i can keep kmix closed so that it stops corrupting the system tray
[19:27] <onitg> Peace-: how am i supposed to report this kind of bug? it's not something that needs to be fixed, updating the package would work
[19:27] <Peace-> onitg: ubuntu-bug i guess
[19:29] <yofel> onitg: for that one would need the actual fix first. Putting kmix 4.10 together with kde 4.9 is out of question. And 91495f is only a doc fix, not the fix for that bug
[19:30] <onitg> yofel: maybe that specific revision is just the one the tested the issue with. the fix is between the revision used by kubuntu and the one reported to be working
[19:31] <yofel> right, except that the diff between the 4.9 branch and master is 8752 lines long
[19:31] <onitg> yofel: does this mean i will have to keep kmix broken until a new kubuntu version is released?
[19:31] <yofel> so unless a kmix dev points out when that was fixed it's unlikely to be fixed in kubuntu
[19:32] <yofel> the ideal workflow would be to get this fixed upstream for 4.9.4
[19:32] <Peace-> onitg: btw veromix is a very good mixer
[19:32] <Peace-> i prefer it because you can even equalize the ooutput
[19:33] <aleth> Anyone know how to reset the settings of oxygen-gtk?
[19:33] <onitg> yofel: would installing kmix 4.10 give problems to my kde 4.9?
[19:33] <aleth> (and the KDE config files so that it is used)
[19:34] <onitg> Peace-: yeah i'm not telling that it's bad, maybe i'm just too much used to kmix
[19:34] <Peace-> onitg: :) give it a try
[19:34] <onitg> it's just a pity that such an important program of the KDE desktop is broken :(
[19:34] <yofel> aleth: gtk2: ~/.gtkrc-2.0, gtk3: ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[19:35] <FlyingElvis> is there a money management for kde?
[19:35] <FlyingElvis> program*
[19:35] <yofel> FlyingElvis: there's kmymoney
[19:35]  * yofel hasn't tried it
[19:35] <FlyingElvis> ok   ill go look for it  ty
[19:36] <yofel> onitg: you're free to try if you know how to build and install it
[19:36] <aleth> yofel: thanks. I've reset both, as far as I can tell. But the tabbar background and some widgets are still not styled properly
[19:36] <yofel> hm, dunno then, that should be all of the settings
[19:37] <onitg> i could try to revert back to the previous version of kubuntu or format the hard drive
[19:37] <yofel> I think trying veromix would be easier for now ^^
[19:37] <onitg> yofel: i'm just scared about this thing, it's not the first time i had bugs
[19:38] <Peace-> aleth:  http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/09/plasma-desktopcz2652.png
[19:38] <onitg> the first time i had some, i tried to report them and had email notifications for months
[19:38] <onitg> and the bugs were still there
[19:38] <onitg> for example, the time server sync setting in the date and time panel is not working
[19:39] <onitg> and it's been like that forever (it crashes the settings panel if you try to apply the settings a couple of times - and never works for me)
[19:39] <aleth> Peace-: Those are empty for me (apart from a "created by KDE" comment). What should they be?
[19:40] <FlyingElvis> ty yofel kmymoney was exactly what i was looking for :)
[19:40] <Peace-> aleth: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/09/plasma-desktopOg2652.png
[19:41] <aleth> Peace-: ah, that could be the problem then, thanks!
[20:40] <invariant> How do I know how my keyboard layout is named in KDE?
[20:42] <Walex> invariant: not so easy. There are sites with photos of keyboards and names of layouts.
[20:42] <Walex> invariant: or you can use 'xkeycaps' which has a lot of builting layouts to check out
[20:51] <invariant> Walex, I know the layout now, but where can I configure that exactly?
[20:55] <Walex> with kxkb
[20:56] <Walex> which is the GUI for the XKB subsystem (command line 'xkeymap' etc.)
[20:56] <Walex> System settings->Hardware->keyboard Advanced tab
[20:57] <Walex> oops Layout tab
[20:57] <Walex> oops agian ;Hardware:keyboard model
[20:58] <rijack> hopefully this will be an easy one. is there a way i can add parameter befor starting a program under wine
[20:58] <rijack> *parameters before
[20:59] <Walex> rijack: there is a WINE specific channell
[21:00] <rijack> there is? is there a directory for all these channels somewhere
[21:00] <rijack> it'd be really helpful
[21:01] <invariant> Walex, that only lists US or US alternative.
[21:01] <invariant> Walex, it doesn't say how those look like.
[21:01] <Walex> invariant: you can add new layouts
[21:02] <Walex> invariant: that's why you use some other program or photos to figure out the layout. Or you try a few
[21:03] <invariant> Too bad that the keyboards themselves don't just report the geometry of all the keys to the driver.
[21:03] <Walex> invariant: also note the 'Hardware>keyboard model selector' for the physiucal layout
[21:03] <invariant> This is just a failure in computer hardware design.
[21:03] <Walex> invariant: it would be moderately difficult, and it was too difficult to do in the original PC technology.
[21:04] <invariant> Walex, sure, but burning history wouldn't be a bad thing.
[21:04] <Walex> invariant: the difficulty with burning history is that history means "standard" which means interoperability
[21:06] <invariant> Walex, in that case a single company should just replace everything.
[21:07] <invariant> Like Apple.
[21:08] <Walex> invariant: that is what created the original PC standard. Then IBM sort of lost interest and this created a uinified standard which was in effect not proprietary
[21:08] <Walex> also Apple's strategy is not to create flexible standards, but to the create prebuilt configurations with very few choices.
[21:08] <invariant> Yeah, I suppose there is still a 500billion dollar niche.
[21:09] <invariant> Except most people don't know they want freedom.
[21:09] <invariant> Problem with some of this open-source software is that it marketed as a replacement, which it isn't.
[21:09] <invariant> E.g. Excel has no viable replacement.
[21:10] <invariant> That is, when you get a random Excel document and want to print it, it's simply not going to work properly.
[21:10] <Walex> invariant: that's a clone, not an equivalent.
[21:11] <invariant> Walex, no, a clone has the same GUI too.
[21:11] <invariant> Walex, it's an equivalent which happens to be compatible too.
[21:12] <genii-around> If these are not tech support issues relating to Kubuntu, may be better discussed in #kubuntu-offtopic instead :-)
[21:12] <invariant> The best solution would be to create standards for these types of documents.
[21:13] <invariant> It's not actually one of my problems directly. It's just that some people complain about it in my surroundings.
[21:13] <invariant> Regarding Kubuntu, will 4.9.3. be released for 12.04?
[21:14] <genii-around> Yes. From the -devel channel, earlier: <shadeslayer> yofel_: from the looks of it, 4.9.3 for precise is still building : https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+builds?build_state=pending
[21:15] <yofel> it's done building and shadeslayer said it works for him, I'll publish it in a bit
[21:15] <invariant> Just to be sure: 4.9.3 fixes more problems than it creates, right?
[21:15] <yofel> that's the plan...
[21:22] <Walex> I have 4.8.5 on KU 12.04 and it is from the Kubuntu PPA. Is that the latest "stable"?
[21:24] <BluesKaj> 12.04 is LTS , hence the older but more stable KDE
[21:25] <Walex> but that's the Kubuntu PPA, and the 4.9.3 above is mentioned for 12.04 too
[21:26] <yofel> That's a backport, you can install it if you want, but 4.8 is generally more tested
[21:26] <BluesKaj> Walex, your package manager has a setting that you must change in order to receive ppa packages
[21:28] <Walex> I use Aptitude usually and I got "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu precise main" in '/etc/apt/sources.list'. But I'll double check
[21:28] <yofel> 4.9 is in kubuntu-ppa/backports
[21:29] <invariant> 4.9.3 is not yet on backports
[21:29] <invariant> 4.9.2 is.
[21:31] <Walex> ahhh I guess the difference is between '/kubuntu-ppa/backports/' and '/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/' just checked in a browser and they are both there.
[21:31] <BluesKaj> 4.9.3 is in the kubuntu-ppa for 12.10
[21:31] <deadsoul> If I mount smb folder, it creates .gvfs folder followed by the name of hostname-folder... does kde do the same? and where is that folder ?
[21:31] <BluesKaj> you can check if it's ac=vailable for 12.04
[21:33] <deadsoul> wher does kubuntu store the mounted smb-folders ?
[21:33] <deadsoul> where *
[21:35] <yofel> invariant: it'll be there in a few minutes
[21:38] <deadsoul> hello
[21:38] <BluesKaj> Walex, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=quantal
[21:39] <Walex> thanks!
[21:39] <yofel> Walex: and for 12.04 https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages?field.series_filter=precise&batch=200
[21:44] <Tm_T> deadsoul: hmm, what you mean by mounted smb folders?
[21:44] <BluesKaj> deadsoul, dolphin/places/network
[21:45] <Walex> yofel: thanks too
[21:47] <deadsoul> Tm_T: on gnome if you open smb://some-ip/foler it will mount that folder in .gvfs directory... what about kde.. if you go to dolphin > network > samba shares > workgrounp > name-of-machine > some-folder
[21:47] <deadsoul> where does it mount that folder to ?
[21:48] <Tm_T> deadsoul: AFAIK in KDE it doesn't get mounted
[21:49] <deadsoul> Tm_T: Aww,
[21:49] <Tm_T> KDE's smarter (;
[21:50] <Walex> deadsoul: if something is mounted you will see where in Dolphin's 'Places'
[21:51] <Walex> deadsoul: as <Tm_T> hints, KDE has a more comprehensive "virtual mount" by which KDE programs can access stuff that is not mounted, e.g. FTP sites, web folders/DAV folders, etc.
[21:51] <deadsoul> Tm_T: tha means i will have to mount it manually if i want to use diff app for example
[21:51] <Tm_T> deadsoul: if you want to use non-KDE app, yes
[21:52] <Walex> deadsoul: but you can use KDE to mount it.
[21:53] <deadsoul> Tm_T: is kdiff a KDE app?
[21:53] <deadsoul> Walex: how?
[21:53] <Tm_T> deadsoul: it is
[21:56] <deadsoul> amm, yesterday i tried to play a movie from my network-folder using smplayer.. and i had to wait till kde download the whole movie-file in /tmp/ ... why is that ? can't it just play it over the network ?
[22:04] <BluesKaj> deadsoul, try vlc or dragonplayer ..smplayer was always abit buggy IME
[22:05] <BluesKaj> mplayer guis all seem halfbaked to me
[22:18] <deadsoul> BluesKaj: thanks, I'll try vlc
[22:25] <Walex> kaffeine, kmplayer, kplayer
[22:25] <Walex> actually not kmplayer: it is just a frontend for mplayer, and mplayer is not integrated with the KDE libraries
[23:13] <xixor> lol, sup


[01:22] <yaya> hello
[01:28] <zombienerd> I'm still looking for a workaround to get tethering to work on Mako devel-channel.  If anyone has any info, it would be greatly appreciated.
[03:49] <OerHeks> E5 will be available for purchase on about June 12, across the entire European Union .... nine euros less than the Android version.
[03:52] <nhaines> That's not too shabby.  :D
[03:54] <OerHeks> http://www.zdnet.com/article/a-new-day-a-new-ubuntu-smartphone/
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/06/vision-mobile-developer-census-win-ubuntu-phone
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> thats1 for you devs :p
[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[07:19] <mpt> dholbach, good morning, is anything on <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bluetooth/TODO> remotely relevant any more, or can I delete the page?
[07:21] <larsu> given that the linked bugs were fixed 7 years ago, I'd say it's safe to delete
[07:21] <dholbach> yeah, looks like it
[08:00] <zyga> bzoltan, Mirv: hi, what is the status of the UITK runtime for 14.04, I read the announcement and I'd like to give it a try
[08:50] <raj> can someone tell me what building this is? https://i.imgur.com/6Otbv9I.png
[08:52] <popey> That's the walkie talkie
[08:52] <popey> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2786723/London-skyscraper-Walkie-Talkie-melted-cars-reflecting-sunlight-fitted-shading.html
[08:52] <popey> :)
[08:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Hug Your Cat Day! 😃
[09:20] <dkessel> setting PIN or password security fails on my nexus 7 after a clean re-flash. I cannot switch to developer mode because of this...
[09:21] <Mirv> JamesTait: I wish, not at home :(
[09:21] <nhaines> dkessel: what image are you running?
[09:22] <dkessel> vivid-devel-proposed 214
[09:22] <dkessel> nhaines: ^
[09:24] <JamesTait> Mirv, when you get home is fine. 😉
[09:26] <Mirv> only when the sprint is done!
[09:26] <Mirv> that's luckily tomorrow though
[09:31] <nhaines> dkessel: this also fails in my upgraded r214, as well as in wily.
[09:31] <nhaines> Bug time!  :)
[09:32] <dkessel> shall I or will you? I am unsure about the package
[09:34] <nhaines> Ooh, I don't know which package either.
[09:35] <nhaines> I'm late getting to bed.  If you file the bug, I'll +1 it and confirm it.
[09:36] <dkessel> ok nhaines
[09:37] <dkessel> popey: can you helping me finding the right package to file this bug against? we cannot set password or pin security on touch vivid r214 and wily
[09:37] <popey> someone mentioned this yesterday iirc
[09:38] <popey> ah it was dholbach
[09:38] <nhaines> dkessel: thanks a ton.  I'll stick around a few minutes and keep an eye out.  Just let me know the bug number.  :)
[09:38] <popey> dholbach: did you get it fixed?
[09:42] <dholbach> popey, no
[09:42] <dholbach> mterry and seb128 mentioned a bug to me
[09:42] <larsu> switched my nexus4 to systemd and now it doesn't boot anymore. goes to black after the google logo, but seems to be on. no adb. also no pitti. anyone got an idea how I could debug it?
[09:42] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1460017 maybe?
[09:44] <nhaines> dholbach: that's the one!
[09:44] <nhaines> dkessel: ^^
[09:44] <nhaines> dholbach: also important: how do I actually clear the passcode?
[09:45] <dholbach> I don't know - I rebooted, then had to type in the pincode in the passcode-dialog - it was all very confusing
[09:45] <dkessel> dholbach: except i cannot set a password/code under "Security & Privacy" -> "Lock phone" -> "Lock security", either...
[09:45] <nhaines> Hm.
[09:45] <dholbach> try rebooting and see if it's set then
[09:45] <dkessel> k
[09:45] <nhaines> Rebooting now.
[09:46] <dholbach> good luck
[09:46]  * dholbach runs some errands
[09:46] <nhaines> Same.
[09:47] <ogra_> just use the passwd command ?
[09:47] <nhaines> wait.
[09:47] <nhaines> Suddenly this says Ubuntu 15.10.  Which is weird.
[09:47] <popey> uhoh
[09:47] <popey> you're on devel-proposed?
[09:48] <ogra_> whats weird about that
[09:48] <popey> You don't want that
[09:48] <ogra_> popey, he said so above :)
[09:48] <nhaines> I am.
[09:48] <nhaines> But *yesterday* it was vivid.
[09:48] <popey> Working as designed then.
[09:48] <popey> unlikely.
[09:48] <ogra_> i'm not sure you can use the terminal without pin/password ... but if you can, the passwd command would do
[09:49] <ogra_> (to set a pin)
[09:49] <popey> haha, my krillin has been on for 4 days, still 70% charge
[09:49] <ogra_> popey, yeah, and next time you charge it it only survives 30h
[09:50] <ogra_> for me its been on and off recently :(
[09:50] <popey> odd
[09:50] <popey> ah, new mvm update, mine won't last long now
[09:50] <dkessel> ogra_: so i would just type the PIN as the password for passwd?
[09:50] <ogra_> sometimes it doesnt discharge at all, sometimes it doesnt survive 2 days
[09:50] <nhaines> Yay, password removed.
[09:50] <ogra_> dkessel, yes, thats what the backend does ... your prob will be that there is more to it
[09:51] <ogra_> if anything needs to know about pin vs password, thats set in a debus service somewhere
[09:51] <ogra_> *dbus
[09:51] <larsu> deebus
[09:51] <ogra_> lol
[09:51] <dkessel> dkessel: ok, so now it is working after using passwd
[09:52] <dkessel> still, it wourld not be working out of the box with r214 :p
[09:52] <larsu> larsu: I think dkessel is talking to himself
[09:52] <nhaines> larsu: that's not so strange.  But if he answers back, start to back away slowly.
[09:52] <dkessel> lol
[09:52] <larsu> haha
[09:53] <dkessel> larsu: oops. thats the problem with identical first names with d holbach :)
[09:53] <larsu> one of you change it. Quick!
[09:55] <nhaines> popey: devel/ubuntu on Nexus 7 only has two images.
[10:11] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: that failing test in the keyboard navigation branch is really odd. i am trying to run back the changes one commit at a time to see what is causing it, as i have exhausted all other options
[10:23] <Mirv> oSoMoN: how's the current webbrowser-app private headers usage status in wily, I haven't followed for a while?
[10:26] <oSoMoN> Mirv, still in use for the DirectionalDragArea component, but there’s been progress on this front, the unity8 team has been working on refactoring it with the goal to move it to the UITK
[10:28] <Mirv> oSoMoN: thanks checking since I'm finally approaching some sort of success with qt 5.5 beta
[10:28] <Mirv> so I'll rebuild webbrowser too
[10:29] <Mirv> I'm pretty interested if anything works or not... and if stuff works I'll go through the currently filed 5.5 bugs again and confirm them
[11:05] <Mirv> Elleo: hey, could we land the bug #1437182 to wily?
[11:05] <Mirv> so that I could more easily test Qt 5.5 in PPA
[11:08] <Elleo> Mirv: yeah, that patch has actually been accepted upstream now; so might be worth syncing the package from upstream? rsalveti has been maintaining that package most recently, so probably best to get his view on it
[11:11] <Mirv> Elleo: oh, that's excellent! I'm not sure how available rsalveti is though atm for extra work.
[11:12] <Mirv> Elleo: would you be ok running whatever tests you run on a maliit-framework  if I uploaded an update with the 014 patch?
[11:12] <Mirv> (to a silo)
[11:13] <Elleo> Mirv: sure
[12:10] <ahoneybun> mhall119: does your N4 randomly vibrate ?
[12:42] <Mirv> Elleo: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-031/ is now ready for testing on wily. when you have time for it, just ping me afterwards if testing is ok and I can publish it.
[12:51] <Elleo> Mirv: okay, will do :)
[12:58] <kenvandine> jgdx, great to see that you finished the todo list for the APN editor!
[12:59] <kenvandine> jgdx, but we don't want to land it yet until the NetworkManager, nuntium and ofono fixes are ready right?
[13:01] <kenvandine> jgdx, any idea what's up with those ap failures?  some of them are from cellular and phone, and the security panel tests that failed are from the sim pin code, which borrows from cellular
[13:02] <jgdx> kenvandine, no, it would make for a sweet but nonfunctional ui
[13:02] <jgdx> kenvandine, not yet
[13:04] <kenvandine> the previous revision passed though
[13:04] <jgdx> kenvandine, you know if the tasks you mentioned are tracked?
[13:04] <kenvandine> so maybe flaky :(
[13:04] <kenvandine> not sure
[13:04] <kenvandine> they are on the punch list :)
[13:04] <kenvandine> not sure about bugs
[13:04] <jgdx> kenvandine, that kinda flakyness smells like dbus
[13:04] <kenvandine> it can be stinky
[13:04] <jgdx> I'll take a look at the cleanup, maybe there's something we're doing wrong
[13:06] <kenvandine> jgdx, cool
[13:06] <kenvandine> jgdx, i'm reviewing your branch now
[13:07] <jgdx> kenvandine, you okay with leaving the debug info in until we're go for landing?
[13:07] <kenvandine> jgdx, you should update the MP description and commit message though
[13:07] <jgdx> *debug code
[13:07] <kenvandine> yes... i  just won't approve it yet
[13:07] <jgdx> thanks
[13:07] <kenvandine> i'll comment on other things i find though
[14:17] <rbnmaia> hello guys
[14:35] <jgdx> kenvandine, right, there's some unintuitive code handling ConnMan while resetting the APN configuration. I've made comments, but in case it is not clear: If cellular data is ON we can't reset, so we turn it OFF. After a reset is complete, we restore the cellular data setting.
[14:36] <jgdx> ResetContexts is sync in libqofono for this to work
[14:36] <jgdx> kenvandine, also, 100% pass rate on silo 33 on a krillin
[14:42] <kenvandine> jgdx, cool!
[15:25] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/visible-file-exists/+merge/261096 ? trying to land that to wily to unblock the snappy desktop image build (u-s-s currently depends on system-image-dbus and s-i conflicts with snappy so apt bails out)
[15:26] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/battery-rendering-glitches/+merge/260991 should be trivial if you want to ack that as well while you are at reviewing ;-)
[15:30] <kenvandine> seb128, will do
[15:31] <kenvandine> seb128, the visible-file-exists branch looks good but i haven't tested it... i assume you did?
[15:32] <seb128> kenvandine, yes
[15:32] <kenvandine> ok, i'll trust you instead of waiting for debs :)
[15:32] <kenvandine> it looks safe
[15:33] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[15:33] <seb128> it's also wily only ;-)
[15:33] <seb128> I'm going to silo test before landing anyway
[15:34] <kenvandine> approved
[15:34] <seb128> thanks
[15:34] <seb128> kenvandine, want to review the other 1 liner as well?
[15:34] <seb128> or I can keep that for another latter landing
[15:35] <kenvandine> the brightness one?
[15:35] <kenvandine> i did already :)
[15:35] <seb128> kenvandine, no, the battery graph one
[15:35] <seb128> oh, you did :-)
[15:35] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[15:35] <kenvandine> np
[16:57] <brunch875> Is there a way to uninstall scopes?
[16:57] <brunch875> The reddit scope doesn't load anything...
[17:03] <dobey> brunch875: find it in the store, and you can uninstall the package from its preview there
[17:07] <cwayne1> reddit scope isnt actually installed on the device though
[17:07] <cwayne1> its a remote scope
[17:08] <mariogrip> abeato and awe, i'm still struggling with ofono... awe, I got the OEM_HOOK_RAW to send with correct parcel, but it require a oem command but of what i understand it does not seem like android is sending an command id. I'm just wondering if you can take a look at this and maybe make some sense out of why radio start is UNAVAILABLE. this is what RIL.java is
[17:08] <mariogrip> requesting before it turns on radio http://paste.ubuntu.com/11569119/ I cannot see any reason for radio state to be UNAVAILABLE, so i'm kinda lost... full android log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11569215/ full ofono log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11569264/
[17:10] <awe> mariogrip, this is a GSM phone, correct?
[17:11] <awe> mariogrip, so basically you're issue is you still can't get the phone to come online properly, correct?
[17:11] <awe> it might be worth filing an ofono bug, just as a convient place to put the RIL logs for both Android and ofono
[17:12] <awe> mariogrip, do you have the capability to build a CM image for the phone?  It appears the Android traces you're providing are just radio logcat output
[17:13] <awe> which are a bit hard to follow for the sake of tracing RIL requests/replies
[17:21] <mariogrip> awe: I can build CM for the phone
[17:21] <mariogrip> yeah, they are logcat output
[17:21] <mariogrip> with rild set to debug
[17:22] <awe> you'll get a better RIL trace by enabling the tracing in libril.cpp
[17:22] <awe> it'll show request, replies, and parameters for each
[17:23] <awe> brb
[17:28] <nico_rikken> Just a small question: Does the BQ (old or new) come with an unlockeable bootloader, so I can flash my own (free/libre) firmware?
[18:19] <peat-psuwit> Can Ubuntu touch play video from URL?
[18:22] <dobey> peat-psuwit: the media player just plays URLs, for local files it uses video:/// URLs i think.
[18:23] <peat-psuwit> dobey: How? Browser?
[18:25] <dobey> i'm not sure i understand what you're asking
[18:25] <dobey> jhodapp: ^^ maybe you can provide better answers here? :)
[18:26] <peat-psuwit> Ex: Play this URL in Ubuntu touch http://live.thairath.co.th/trtv2/playlist.m3u8
[18:26] <kenvandine> bfiller, Elleo:  for handling "all" types, we really only want source apps to register as providing "all" right?  we shouldn't have share and import handlers registering as "all"?
[18:26] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, that's Apple's HTTP Live Streaming and not supported yet
[18:26] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, there's gstreamer plugins for it, but it's not been tested on a UT device yet
[18:27] <kenvandine> bfiller, Elleo: although registering as an import handler for "all" would be nice for handling the download of unknown types
[18:27] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, it's not difficult to support, just not yet
[18:28] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: Oh, Ok then. How about progressive one? ex: http://download.blender.org/peach/bigbuckbunny_movies/big_buck_bunny_720p_h264.mov
[18:30] <Elleo> kenvandine: wouldn't destination apps need to be able to register as all for when legacy apps are saving things?
[18:31] <kenvandine> actually the other way around
[18:31] <kenvandine> no... hmm
[18:31] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, what do you mean...that specific video file doesn't play?
[18:32] <kenvandine> Elleo, opening a file saved by a legacy app would be looking for a source for "all"
[18:32] <kenvandine> not a dest
[18:33] <kenvandine> but it could be interesting handling all for dest, it could be used for downloading unknown types
[18:33] <kenvandine> and... possibly the whole idea of piping content through a middle app
[18:34] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: It seems like the whole file have to be downloaded first. Can't it be streamed?
[18:34] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, should be able to be streamed...you're trying with mediaplayer-app?
[18:35] <kenvandine> Elleo, so maybe dest and source but not share
[18:38] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: I pasted the URL in browser, expecting it to be opened in media player. But the "Open file" appeared and only "Gallery" is available.
[18:39] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: After pressing that, the entry appear in "Files" indicator.
[18:39] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, yeah I doubt that would work since the browser currently has no notion of media except for its internal software-based pipeline...this should be able to act more like you'd expect with media-hub integration (in the works now)
[18:40] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, but check with the web browser guys as we might at least be able to get it to bring up mediaplayer-app
[18:42] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: filling a bug?
[18:42] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, yeah that'd be a start
[18:42] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: Ok.
[18:43] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: BTW, doesn't browser use GStreamer?
[18:43] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, no, it has it's own GStreamer equivalent and ffmpeg-based codecs
[18:47] <studio_> hi
[18:49] <nico_rikken> So my retry: Just a small question: Does the BQ (old or new) come with an unlockeable bootloader, so I can flash my own (free/libre) firmware?
[18:50] <studio_> sturmflut was searching for a dlna-player for ubuntu touch. what about "xupnpd"? if the media-player can handle m3u xupnpd should work as a dlna-client.
[18:51] <dobey> media-player doesn't need to handle m3u playlists to have a dlna client
[18:52] <dobey> someone just needs to write a dlna client app that passes the video urls to media player
[18:52] <studio_> dobey, that is, what xupnpd made, a simple m3u
[18:53] <dobey> i don't know what xupnpd is, but the ending 'd' implies it is not a client, but a server
[18:55] <studio_> you can use xupnpd also as "server", but i am using it for to grab external links (iptv).
[18:56] <studio_> http://xupnpd.org/t/
[18:57] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: I think I know why that video URL doesn't play. That server doesn't set Content-Type properly. just tested another URL and that plays smoothly in browser.
[19:06] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, ah good to know, same happens in the browser on Ubuntu desktop so sounds like it's not a bug in the browser after all
[19:06] <studio_> dobey, is the media-player now able to play external audio or video streams, if yes, on what version?
[19:07] <studio_> i mean via m3u
[19:08] <dobey> why do you need m3u?
[19:09] <dobey> playlist != stream
[19:09] <studio_> for iptv and internet radio
[19:11] <studio_> also for "internal" tv and radio from my sat receivers, they also offer m3u for casting video and audio streams
[19:12] <dobey> ok, that is not dlna
[19:12] <dobey> if you mean m3u, say m3u. dlna is something else.
[19:12] <studio_> no
[19:13] <studio_> m3u is just the playlist
[19:13] <studio_> what the dlna client can handle
[19:13] <dobey> yes, an m3u is a playlist
[19:13] <dobey> it has nothing to do with dlna itself
[19:15] <studio_> so, how to stream, for exp. from an dlna-server, what is offering m3u-playlists or an dlna-client, what is offering m3u-urls for a single program?
[19:16] <popey> studio_: port an existing app or write a new one
[19:16] <studio_> popey, please, have a look at xupnpd, i am using it since years.
[19:17] <popey> thats a media server, not client
[19:17] <studio_> it is a client
[19:17] <studio_> also
[19:17] <studio_> you can simple configure the lua's
[19:18] <popey> I'm not particularly interested in that. I use mediatomb and xbmc/kodi
[19:18] <studio_> and it is much better than djmount
[19:19] <studio_> kodi on ubuntu touch would be nice !!!
[19:22] <studio_> popey, how did you run kodi on ubuntu touch?
[19:22] <popey> i haven't
[19:23] <studio_> so, therefore i made an offer for an working dlna-client under arm
[19:23] <popey> you're porting one?
[19:25] <studio_> not me, but coolstream, raspberry and openwrt made that
[19:27] <dobey> the app itself could parse the m3u and then pass the URLs along to media-hub.
[19:27] <dobey> you just need to write an app to do it
[19:28] <brunch875> it seems like the meizu's locked so it cannot be flashed
[19:28] <brunch875> that's something terrible
[19:28] <studio_> dobey, i don't understand, i thought m3u is a new feature?
[19:28] <dobey> brunch875: all retail phones come with locked boot loaders
[19:29] <dobey> studio_: m3u is a simple file format. it's a plain text file with a list of URLs
[19:29] <studio_> dobey, yes, i know.
[19:29] <dobey> m3u support might eventually get added to media-hub or media-player, but there is nothing preventing your app from doing the parsing of such a file, and then passing the resulting media URLs on to media-hub
[19:30] <studio_> so what kind or url's in the new feature are supported, only "local files"?
[19:31] <studio_> or=of
[19:32] <brunch875> I don't know much about it, but as I can see on the mailing list ubuntu-device-flash fails on the meizu whereas I succeeded on my BQ
[19:32] <dobey> i don't know what you mean by "in the new feature"
[19:33] <dobey> afaik, http/https urls will play fine in media-hub
[19:34] <dobey> brunch875: i guess you used the alternate recovery image to do that?
[19:34] <popey> brunch875: the person on the list didn't buy an ubuntu one though
[19:34] <brunch875> oooh!
[19:34] <studio_> exp.: http://linuxg.net/the-ubuntu-touch-ota-4-update-will-bring-important-new-features/
[19:35] <popey> brunch875: so not so terrible, and no more terrible than every other phone
[19:35] <brunch875> dobey: I yesterday changed to the RC channel to enjoy dem' updates
[19:37]  * brunch875 is off for dinner
[19:37] <dobey> studio_: well if m3u is supported then try it out
[19:37] <studio_> dobey, i was reading, that one person, who tested an m3u, told, that his browser opened the stream. i thing this is not correct, normally a media-player should be opened ...
[19:37] <dobey> i don't know how that person tested the m3u
[19:38] <dobey> you should probably ask that one person rather than asking arbitrarily obscure questions in here
[19:38] <studio_> that person was on the original channel for the bq E4.5
[19:38] <studio_> therefore i asked, on what channel is m3u working
[19:38] <dobey> if that person was usilng the stable channel, then that person obviously doesn't have m3u support
[19:39] <dobey> it would be on the rc-proposed channel i would guess
[19:39] <studio_> ok
[19:39] <dobey> at least if it "will be in ota 4" then that means it will be in the update that switches to vivid, which would currently be the rc-proposed channel afaik
[19:44] <popey> studio_: just tried an m3u8 file and it didn't work
[19:45] <popey> tried http://jblive.videocdn.scaleengine.net/jb-live/play/jblive.stream/playlist.m3u8
[19:45] <popey> browser prompted to "open with" but had nothing that could open those files
[19:46] <studio_> popey, i don't know if "m3u8" is supported by ubuntu touch. a normal m3u should work, does it?
[19:46] <dobey> m3u8 doesn't work
[19:46] <popey> give me an example m3u
[19:46] <studio_> wait
[19:46] <popey> found one http://twit.am/listen.m3u
[19:47] <dobey> hmm, di.fm seems to not have an m3u link that is obvious any more. all their channels seem to want to play in-browser
[19:47] <studio_> make a "ondalatina.m3u" with "#EXTM3U
[19:47] <studio_> #EXTINF:0,lautfm - ondalatina
[19:47] <studio_> http://stream.laut.fm:80/ondalatina"
[19:48] <popey> no, it doesn't work
[19:48] <popey> launches music app which cannot handle those files
[19:48] <dobey> the # lines are irrelevant
[19:48] <dobey> popey: i guess music-app can't play streams yet?
[19:48] <popey> correct
[19:48] <popey> it only plays local music
[19:49] <studio_> ok
[19:51] <studio_> so icecast is also not working
[19:52] <popey> yup
[19:56] <studio_> ok, seem it needs to have more time, i know, i am too much impatient ... :(
[19:58] <jimcornette> Hello there I have a simple question about qt5 in 12.04.  I have a autobuilder network and when I try to  build apps against it I am running into big issues with the ppa that is for 12.04. I have added the ppa but when I go to build it c an not pull in things like libqt5qml5 and many others
[20:00] <jimcornette> so all the packages fail.  So is there another repo ?  or do I have to backport qt5 in full?  If this is the case is there a command to get all source code for qt5 ?  apt-get source <all of qt5>  then I guess I will have to build that on my autobuilder and push to repo so that I can  build my apps
[20:01] <jimcornette> the ppa that I am talking about is ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa
[20:03] <dobey> jimcornette: i'm not quite sure what you're trying to do, but 12.04 is not a supported phone target
[20:07] <jimcornette> dobey,  So I have a autobuilder (sbuild,schroots,databases ect) these are on cronjobs but when it try's to build any qt5 application that is in the autobuilder network It fails because it can not get any of the qt5 libs.  so just wondering if I have to backport all of it.
[20:08] <dobey> jimcornette: yes. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src does not show precise as having qt5
[20:09] <jimcornette> cool and thanks. !!