[00:02] <sarnold> robert45: try sudo dpkg --configure -a   ?
[00:02] <robert45> sarnold, same thing: https://dpaste.org/LKpM
[00:05] <sarnold> robert45: okay, this is a bit gross but I'm running low on ideas; edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mdadm.postinst and add 'set -x'  near the top, just under the 'set -e' -- and re-try the dpkg --configure -a  command, and lets see what falls out of this..
[00:10] <robert45> sarnold, Thanks, this is what it returns: https://dpaste.org/EiAa
[00:15] <sarnold> robert45: maaaan :( so, do you use mdadm? if not, maybe just apt purge mdadm ubuntu-server   and try to move forward?
[00:15] <robert45> what is ubuntu-server, is that a required package?
[00:15] <sarnold> it's a meta-package that depends upon a bunch of 'usual server things'
[00:16] <robert45> So it wont happen anything if I remove it?
[00:18] <sarnold> nothing will happen immediately; I think it might be used by do-release-upgrade to help sort out the *next* upgrade, but I'm not sure on that
[00:18] <robert45> ok thanks
[00:22] <robert45> That worked
[00:23] <robert45> Thanks for all the help sarnold, you have been helpfup!  I presume I need to edit grub? Or maybe this dpkg-reconfigure would have fixed this?
[00:34] <sarnold> robert45: normally do-release-upgrade manages the kernel transition :( bummer...
[00:34] <oerheks> run a full-upgrade on that 18.04, and try again?
[00:35] <sarnold> robert45: how about dpkg -l linux-generic ?
[00:35] <robert45> oerheks, how do I do that?
[00:36] <oerheks> apt update && apt dist-upgrade
[00:36] <Intelo> sarnold: oerheks oh 'go' is 'golang'?
[00:40] <robert45> sarnold, see here: https://dpaste.org/wznr
[00:41] <robert45> oerheks, it shows nothing to install
[00:41] <sarnold> 5.4.0-66 versions are installed.. why the heck did it boot into the 4.15 kernels
[00:42] <robert45> I assume grub didnt update properly because of my forced reboot while running the Ubuntu 18.04 to Ubuntu 20 upgrade
[00:43] <robert45> sarnold, my upgrade process got stuck and I couldn't find a way to get out so I had to reboot, fortunately it rebooted correctly but maybe some things are broken
[00:46] <robert45> I ran update-grub which finds the new kernel but it doesnt update the config file: https://dpaste.org/udBf
[00:51] <oerheks> then the kernel is incomplete, sudo apt install -f
[00:51] <sarnold> hrm. my bionic system has a /boot/grub/default and /boot/grub/menu.lst, my focal system doesn't
[00:53] <robert45> oerheks, nothing to install
[00:53] <robert45> sarnold, maybe your Ubuntu 20 is grub2 ?
[00:54] <robert45> I noticed my upgraded system still uses grub not grub2
[00:54] <robert45> Not sure if its related
[00:54] <sarnold> there's stuff in /boot/grub/, just not those things :) but that machine's weird, I followed the 'zfs on root' guide to get there
[01:07] <JPSman> So, there is an update available, but its saying its for kernel images and I need to use a specific kernel for my wifi -- How can I update without updating the kernel images?
[01:07] <oerheks> JPS what makes you think a fresh kernel does not work with your wifi?
[01:08] <oerheks> does your wifi driver give a DKMS?
[01:08] <JPSman> nope!  --- oh wait a second, I got a new wifi dongle for this reason .....
[01:09] <JPSman> I'll have to see what I can do to have grub work with my kernel I know works....
[01:28] <jayjo> what's the 6 in libc6?
[01:30] <rfm> jayjo, a version id I believe
[01:30] <sarnold> vs libc5, which, uh .. think 25 years ago
[01:34] <sarnold> "The End of libc5" -- an interview from 1998 -- https://linuxgazette.net/issue32/tag_libc5.html
[02:00] <r15> Hi, how do i increase 'Max open files            1024                 524288               files     '
[02:01] <r15> Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS
[02:02] <r15> for nginx, tried to set in /etc/security/limits.conf as well as in /etc/systemd/system/nginx.service file by adding LimitNOFILE=500000
[02:06] <r15> any idea?
[02:06] <eelstrebor> this kaffeine app lacks a lot to be desired. yesterday it began recording a half hour TV show but i got a 0 byte file. tonight, it recorded more but didn't complete the recording. not a trustworthy app.
[02:07] <wenxin> Hey every one. I just installed Ubuntu server on my machine. I can use curl command to get pages. But when I ran git clone https://github.com/blablabla/blabla. I get :gnutls_handshake() failed: The TLS connection was non-properly terminated.
[02:07] <wenxin> also get error when i ran  sudo apt install g++
[02:08] <wenxin> Unable to fetch some archives, maybe ran apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[02:10] <sarnold> r15: did you systemctl daemon-reload after making the change?
[02:11] <r15> sarnold: i did  a systemctl restart nginx
[02:12] <sarnold> r15: that won't re-read the .service file
[02:12] <sarnold> if wenxin returns, can someone pass along https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/git/+bug/1913201 ?
[02:13] <MrMagoo> I'll keep and eye open while I'm around
[02:13] <MrMagoo> @ pass along
[02:13] <r15> sarnold:Thanks, it worked.
[02:14] <sarnold> r15: yay :)
[02:14] <sarnold> wenxin_: the last time this came up, it turned out to be interference from an ISP or country https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/git/+bug/1913201
[02:33] <jayjo> sarnold: cool article, thanks! I wasn't sure if there was something with C17.
[02:33] <jayjo> seems like the most important package in ubuntu. is there a way to look into that? (Just curious)
[02:36] <jayjo> most depended upon
[02:52] <sarnold> jayjo: libc6 is indeed a *very* important package; without it, there's no ubuntu. there is an alternative libc available, musl, but it's got a lot of limitations that prevent it from being widely adopted
[04:34] <bobdobbs> Hi all. I'm using ubuntu 20.04. I'd like to put music on my android phone (galaxy s9+) and be able to manage playlists. Is there is a media manager that can do this?
[04:36] <bobdobbs> I tried lollypop, but it was slow and pretty limited.
[04:37] <bobdobbs> Rhythmbox lets you manage playists, but it doesn't let you transfer playlists to devices
[04:37] <bobdobbs> banshee crashes on startup
[04:46] <bobdobbs> I'm trying Clementine. But Clementine crashes when I use it to access my phone
[05:28] <Qen-Joana> bobdobbs, I use Phonograph, and I believe it can handle playlists.
[05:28] <bobdobbs> Qen-Joana: thanks. I'll check it out.
[05:29] <bobdobbs> Qen-Joana: uhm, sorry, I can't find it
[05:30] <Qen-Joana> Phonograph Music Player on the Play Store.
[05:31] <Qen-Joana> I opened it up and it has a tab for playlists, including from my PC
[05:33] <Qen-Joana> It may also be on FDroid
[05:37] <Batoeh> Good morning. I am getting time out errors when attempting apt-get update for certain repos. The repos are sadly just very slow but they are up and running well but I am get timeout errors. I was having trouble searching for an answer but maybe I am not using the right terms. Is there a way to increase the amount of time  apt will wait?
[07:07] <rory> Batoeh, could you choose a different mirror that may be faster?
[07:08] <rory> Batoeh, to answer your question: You can control these timeouts via the following apt.conf options:
[07:08] <rory>   Acquire::http::Timeout "10";
[07:08] <rory>   Acquire::ftp::Timeout "10";
[07:08] <rory> those are seconds.
[07:09] <rory> Batoeh, if you were interested, there is a funky way to find the fastest server for your location from the terminal: https://askubuntu.com/a/141536/62969
[07:33] <Batoeh> thank you rory! I appreciate it. I have good reason for using these slow repos trust me. Thanks again. I hope you have a good night!
[07:34] <LSD-25> hey does anyone know of a decent laptop that could run lubuntu smoothly
[07:34] <LSD-25> i bought a really cheap one to experiment and it works but i want to buy a better one in the near future
[07:35] <LSD-25> i have problems with firmware type issues and proprietary stuff on my normal rig
[07:35] <ThinkT510> you could check out system76
[07:35] <LSD-25> i think ive heard of that but i have bad memory sorry, thanks lol
[07:35] <LSD-25> its a website that sells linux laptops right
[07:35] <Batoeh> Can't go wrong with the the older thinkpads. The x220/x230 and the w520/w530 are great
[07:36] <Batoeh> options for libreboot/coreboot. Loved and supported by pretty much every open source project. Tons of replacement parts for when they break.  You can do it yourself. Tons of videos showing how and its way easier than with most laptops. Anyways later. Good luck.
[07:38] <LSD-25> i have the cheapest/lamest laptop on amazon from 2020 though lol
[07:38] <LSD-25> it only has a 1.1ghz celeron proc lol
[07:39] <LSD-25> im proud to own such a unique artifact, the crappest craptop lol
[07:39] <LSD-25> im on a i7-6700 right now though
[08:04] <monojamoon|> Hello everyone, I am using Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS on my laptop.
[08:04] <monojamoon|> Unfortunately, I dropped it & broke its screen
[08:04] <monojamoon|> Can't see anything on it now
[08:05] <monojamoon|> I connected it to the laptop, but all I am getting is the ubuntu background on it
[08:07] <monojamoon|> * I have a spare monitor & I connected it to the laptop
[08:07] <EriC^^> monojamoon|: likely the login screen is still on the other monitor
[08:07] <monojamoon|> Yes
[08:07] <EriC^^> if you type the password blindly and press enter it should login i guess
[08:07] <monojamoon|> I does
[08:08] <monojamoon|> *It does
[08:08] <monojamoon|> However, I am still getting desktop background on it
[08:09] <monojamoon|> Anyway to get the content of the laptop on the monitor?
[08:09] <EriC^^> monojamoon|: try to right click the desktop and go to change background picture then back to settings > display
[08:10] <EriC^^> there should be a 'mirror' displays set it to on
[08:14] <monojamoon|> Done!
[08:14] <monojamoon|> Thanks EriC^^!!! :) :)
[08:14] <EriC^^> monojamoon|: no problem! :)
[08:52] <mlokpc> Hello, I would like to ask, does anybody know why NTP is actived (exited) from time to time?
[08:52] <mlokpc> Ubuntu 16.04.2
[08:53] <gordonjcp> mlokpc: anything in the logs?
[08:53] <gordonjcp> mlokpc: not that it matters since you're planning your move to 20.04, right?
[08:54] <mlokpc> gordonjcp: maintaining legacy systems
[08:54] <mlokpc> gordonjcp: ntpd[755]: ntpd exiting on signal 15 (Terminated)
[09:21] <mlokpc> exit
[09:39] <nucc1> is there a way to see the build flags for the distribution of php on my box?
[09:41] <oerheks> You find the source on launchpad, for 7.4 = https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php7.4
[09:48] <nucc1> thanks @oer
[09:48] <nucc1> oerheks
[09:48] <oerheks> nucc1, have fun!
[10:51] <ice9> anyone has tried Ubuntu with Asus zenbook laptop? is it compatible or was there some issues?
[10:52] <lotus|NUC> !hardware | ice9
[10:53] <ice9> lotus|NUC, the model i'm asking about not in that page that's why i'm asking here
[10:54] <lotus|NUC> ice9: most machines can install ubuntu fine, but depending on the chipsets from the hardware inside, we cant generalize/predict issues upfront
[10:55] <lotus|NUC> ice9: if you have specific details of that model and know the hardware inside, you can discuss it in #ubuntu-discuss if you want
[11:19] <dbugger> Hi, fellas. I got an issue. I have a ZIP file, and archive manager will unzip some files but others not, without giving any error. But weirdly, if I try to do it through the terminal with "unzip", it works without a problem. Why could this be?
[11:24] <Qen-Joana> dbugger, Are you getting the error with the R-click "extract..." commands?
[11:25] <dbugger> Qen-Joana, nope, not one
[11:26] <dbugger> The operation seems to be totally successful (even thought it is not)
[11:26] <Qen-Joana> Sorry, I didn't mean 'error'
[11:26] <dbugger> I have posted it with more detail in here, if you want to check:
[11:26] <dbugger> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1319233/unzipping-from-the-desktop-extracts-less-files-that-from-the-terminal
[11:27] <Qen-Joana> When this happened to I last week, I had problems with R-click extracting sometimes no files, but double-clicking and extracting with the GUI app worked fine.
[11:27] <dbugger> Qen-Joana, I am not getting any kind of output. Actually I wasted yesterday the whole day, trying to figure out why my program was not executing. I didnt realize until this morning that the extraction was not working :(
[11:28] <Qen-Joana> From your post, it seems like we had the same problem.
[11:28] <dbugger> Yeah, that works fine, but I want to find out how come that "Extract here" will not work. I wonder if it has to do with the contents of the ZIP
[11:28] <dbugger> The program that generates those ZIPs, also generates executables for MacOS. And those are not working either.
[11:29] <dbugger> Which makes me think that the problem lies in the contents of the ZIP file, but I have no idea what could it be...
[11:29] <Qen-Joana> Considering the timing, perhaps it is a new bug in the archive tool?
[11:29] <dbugger> You think so??
[11:29] <Qen-Joana> Do you have the ability to downgrade the tool?
[11:29] <dbugger> What about the timing? Has anything happened?
[11:29] <dbugger> I have 3.63.3
[11:30] <Qen-Joana> I'm not on my Pop!_OS system right now, I cannot check my version.
[11:30] <Qen-Joana> But my suggestion is to try different versions of the archive tool.
[11:31] <dbugger> The thing is, since the generated file is also not working on macOS, I doubt a lot that it is a problem of Archive Manager..
[11:33] <Qen-Joana> Are you saying you have a tool on OSX that runs on similar libs or architecture?
[11:37] <dbugger> No no
[11:37] <dbugger> Let me explain better.
[11:38] <dbugger> I am using Unity Cloud Build to make builds of a game I am development. At some point, those builds stopped working, for every platform, even though the build was successful.
[11:38] <dbugger> The build of Linux was not working, until this morning I discovered that the whole ZIP file was not extracting properly
[11:39] <dbugger> The generated files for other OS, like windows or Mac are also not working
[11:39] <dbugger> so the timing is too good, it cannot be that it is a problem of Archive Manager...
[11:40] <dbugger> All the builds stopped working at the same time, for everyplatform, which makes me suspect that the problem lies on some files inside the generated build. Probably in that folder that is not extracting... but I have no idea which could be.
[11:41] <Qen-Joana> Sorry, but the details are beyond I, and I am awake at 3:40am with no sleep yet. I suspect I and others have this problem, and my only 'symptom' was the archive manager not working. I will bookmark your post and hope for a solution!
[11:41] <dbugger> Thanks
[11:50] <EriC^^> dbugger: if i run 'while true; do ps aux; done > ps' and do extract here on the file then see the log for 'grep filename ps' it shows the command it uses, maybe that will give more insight
[11:51] <EriC^^> it gives this for me "file-roller --extract-here file:///......."
[11:51] <dbugger> Not sure I understand what you mean, but let me try...
[11:52] <EriC^^> dbugger: i mean, maybe try to run the command manually in the terminal to see if it gives you any info on why it fails if it does fail
[11:52] <dbugger> EriC^^, No, in the terminal there are no problem
[11:53] <dbugger> It works perfectly
[11:53] <EriC^^> dbugger: but you said you're using unzip in the terminal?
[11:53] <dbugger> Look at this link. I pasted the output:
[11:53] <dbugger> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1319233/unzipping-from-the-desktop-extracts-less-files-that-from-the-terminal
[11:53] <EriC^^> dbugger: this is the command it actually runs when you press 'extract here'
[11:54] <dbugger> Which one? file-roller ?
[11:54] <EriC^^> yes
[11:54] <dbugger> oh, ok. let me try that
[11:54] <EriC^^> for me at least, that's what it's running
[11:57] <dbugger> ok, the command works also well...
[11:57] <dbugger> let me see the ps file..
[11:59] <dbugger> EriC^^, I do not see anything remarkable in the ps file
[11:59] <dbugger> https://pastebin.com/fYKkZme8
[12:00] <EriC^^> seems to be using 7z /usr/lib/p7zip/7z x -bd -y -o/home/dbugger/Downloads/emt-it-services-notan-linux-desktop-x64-7 -- /home/dbugger/Downloads/emt-it-services-notan-linux-desktop-x64-7.zip
[12:01] <dbugger> But the thing is... it is working, when I use the command
[12:01] <dbugger> Should I do the loop, while using the GUI?
[12:01] <EriC^^> yeah, that's what i meant
[12:01] <dbugger> ok, lets see
[12:02] <dbugger> lol... not even one match o_O
[12:03] <dbugger> That cant be right. I will try it again
[12:04] <dbugger> nope.... 0 matches o_O
[12:04] <dbugger> wtf...
[12:04] <EriC^^> maybe the gui is broken, not running anything
[12:05] <dbugger> if it was broken, it wouldnt extract a part of the file, no??
[12:05] <EriC^^> same file, no caps on the filename etc?
[12:05] <EriC^^> oh
[12:05] <dbugger> :P
[12:05] <EriC^^> try with grep -i ?
[12:06] <dbugger> ok..
[12:06] <dbugger> nope.... nothing... o_O
[12:07] <EriC^^> i wonder where the info is for what to run when one clicks a context item
[12:07] <dbugger> clearly not in ps aux...
[12:07] <dbugger> I have no clue ... :/
[12:08] <EriC^^> hmm, grepping etc for file-roller shows interesting stuff in /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu
[12:08] <dbugger> what is the grep command I should run exactly?
[12:10] <EriC^^> seems a dead end
[12:11] <dbugger> :/
[12:12] <EriC^^> the stuff there points to /usr/share/applications/file-roller.desktop that's all
[12:13] <dbugger> Im browsing the zip file for weird file names...
[12:13] <dbugger> There are plenty of DLL files, but that cannot be...
[12:18] <EriC^^> dbugger: which ubuntu version are you using
[12:18] <dbugger> 20.04
[12:20] <EriC^^> it's just that one archive it has problems with?
[12:21] <dbugger> yes
[12:25] <Qen-Joana> I was on Pop!_OS 20.04 and I had the same problem.
[12:34] <dbugger> :/
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:49]  * oerheks reading https://askubuntu.com/questions/1319233/unzipping-from-the-desktop-extracts-less-files-that-from-the-terminal
[12:51] <dbugger> oerheks, thanks
[12:52] <oerheks> dbugger, do you have an url, so we can try that zip?
[12:52] <dbugger> Not really, since it is a private company project :/
[12:53] <oerheks> oh oke.
[12:53] <oerheks> so, if i understand correctly, that 1st folder 84,4mb is placed at / ?
[12:54] <oerheks> or totally not unzipped at all?
[12:54] <dbugger> Yeah, the screenshot is at the root of the compressed files
[12:54] <dbugger> ah no
[12:54] <dbugger> it does not appear at all
[12:54] <dbugger> not even empty
[12:55] <oerheks> what if you open it in fileroller, and extract just that folder?
[12:55] <dbugger> Yes, it works
[12:55] <dbugger> The only way it does NOT work, is with the GUI
[12:55] <Qen-Joana> When I was dealing with this problem, I had downloaded some .zips from www.esoui.com and also had less (and sometimes zero) file output from context-menu "extract here (smart)".
[12:56] <dbugger> with file-roller and unzip, works fine
[12:56] <dbugger> It is just the "Extract here" that does it partially
[13:00] <oerheks> weird, hard to say what is going on.
[13:00] <dbugger> Yeah it is...
[13:01] <dbugger> It began to happen 2 weeks ago
[13:01] <dbugger> I wonder wtf I changed in my project, that messed up the builds :/
[13:01] <oerheks> get a genuine copy again?
[13:01] <dbugger> a what?
[13:01] <oerheks> weird part is, on comandline it works..
[13:01] <dbugger> Yep..
[13:02] <dbugger> Extracting it directly from the Archive Manager works too
[13:02] <dbugger> Only the "extract here" is what is not working
[13:05] <iekfkk> can ubuntu update after 1year without deps breakage
[13:07] <oerheks> iekfkk, i think so, let us know if you did
[13:08] <oerheks> * only if the release is still supported ofcourse
[13:08] <iekfkk> if i download old iso it seems to update why is that deps dont break here
[13:08] <oerheks> oh, old iso .. no
[13:08] <iekfkk> yup assuming suport
[13:08] <oerheks> then you must do some trick with old-releases.
[13:08] <iekfkk> no assuming 5 year lts support
[13:08] <oerheks> i would boot that old is, download a new iso with it and put it on usb
[13:09] <iekfkk> but why do deps break on arch so easily
[13:09] <oerheks> 18.04(.0) release can still be used.
[13:09] <oerheks> you would end up with 18.04.5 .. or .6
[13:25] <dbugger> I crashed :P
[13:26] <dbugger> Ok, a different question: I seem to have 2 virtualbox commands, "virtualbox" and "VirtualBox". Is this normal...?
[13:27] <EriC^^> dbugger: yup, same here
[13:27] <rory> check with "which virtualbox" and "which VirtualBox"
[13:27] <rory> one is probably an alias for the other
[13:28] <dbugger> "which virtualbox" is "/usr/bin/virtualbox" and "which VirtualBox" is "/usr/bin/VirtualBox"... that didnt help much :D
[13:28] <dbugger> it is still 2 different commands
[13:31] <rory> They're both symlinks to /usr/share/virtualbox/VBox.sh
[13:32] <dbugger> Oh, cool. So i do not have to worry
[13:32] <dbugger> Thanks
[13:32] <dbugger> Another question regarding virtualbox: Is there anyway to prevent it from crashing the host OS? :P
[13:32] <rory> allocate less memory to the guest VM?
[13:32] <rory> and /join #vbox
[13:32] <dbugger> Oh thanks
[13:33] <dbugger> Not it is a memory issue, really. I do not have much at all...
[13:38] <longshanks> if i remove grub-pc will my device fail to boot?
[13:49] <oerheks> !info grub-pc
[13:50] <oerheks> technically, if you have grub-efi, you might be able to remove it.. but why?
[14:00] <longshanks> oerheks: becuase I boot efi/gpt so didn't think I needed it.
[14:01] <longshanks> but on the same note, I also don't want to remove it if it makes my system not boot. So kinda wondered what I'd need to know in order to be able to know it's safe to delete. What test can I do to check before I remove it?
[14:02] <oerheks> ubotto wrote = is optional
[14:03] <oerheks> with understanding you use EFI
[14:03] <oerheks> i would not risk it, it is a few mb
[14:03] <longshanks> oerheks: understood.
[14:07] <DarkTrick> can I change the encoding of a terminal temporary to something different, say SHIFT-JIS?
[14:12] <oerheks> DarkTrick, i find no fix besides coversion of textfiles,
[14:12] <DarkTrick> oerheks, I have file/folder names, that I'd like to read
[14:13] <oerheks> maybe you should join the #ubuntu-jp team, or look at the JP ppa something.. https://launchpad.net/~japaneseteam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[14:13] <DarkTrick> oerheks, thanks for the advice!
[14:13] <DarkTrick> I guess I'll give up then
[14:13] <oerheks> iconv should translate https://superuser.com/questions/313032/how-to-convert-a-text-file-from-shift-jis-to-utf-8-and-back-from-the-terminal
[14:13] <oerheks> !info iconv
[14:13] <DarkTrick> And hope one day.... *one day* Microsoft will understand, that SHIFT-JIS is not the way to go
[14:16] <oerheks> yes, some say is is ugly.
[14:16] <oerheks> not an open standard)
[14:51] <floown> Salut
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> !fr | floown
[14:52] <floown> J'ai un petit sushi avec un script bash, je peux en parler ici ?
[14:52] <floown> sorry
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | floown en anglais/in english
[14:53] <floown> it's not the good chanel
[14:53] <floown> yes
[14:57] <pajdeg> Hi, I got two drives, one for windows 10 and one for Ubuntu.
[14:57] <pajdeg> I've been playing around with docker on Ubuntu when I decided to go on windows for a while.
[14:57] <pajdeg> When I rebooted into Ubuntu I noticed something was weird as my resolution was like 600x800.
[14:57] <pajdeg> My boot partition on my Ubuntu boot partition is not mounted while my windows boot partition is.
[14:57] <pajdeg> So somehow my ubuntu boot migrated to the windows boot partition.
[14:57] <pajdeg> How could this have happened and how do I fix it? My windows still works but my Ubuntu is -  as I said - broken in terms of drivers.
[15:04] <mort> did canonical just now remove python 2 from its 16.04 archives?
[15:06] <leftyfb> mort: no
[15:06] <leftyfb> mort: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/wmHj2qpfbf/
[15:08] <mort> the python2 package exists, but a bunch of packages it depends on seems to be missing
[15:09] <mort> https://p.mort.coffee/OFSO
[15:09] <mort> libpython2.7-minimal, python2.7-minimal, libpython2.7-stdlib and python2.7 are all missing even though the python package exists
[15:11] <leftyfb> mort: yup, something looks broken there. Looks like just the updates packages. The previous versions are still there. As seen here: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python2.7/libpython2.7-minimal_2.7.12-1ubuntu0~16.04.13_amd64.deb
[15:14] <mort> so I need to pin the relevant packages to the 2.7.12-1ubuntu0~16.04.13_amd64 version, or is there an easier way to fix this than with pinning
[15:15] <oerheks> !info python-minimal xenial
[15:16] <leftyfb> oerheks: I can confirm they're missing. Just got complaints from our build farm about it as well
[15:17] <oerheks> there is some progress going on?
[15:17] <oerheks> see date + time https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/amd64/python2.7-minimal
[15:18] <mort> so the actual debs were removed but the index still has it listed?
[15:18] <oerheks> also we had a python update today, https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-4754-1
[15:18] <oerheks> i think we should wait and see..
[15:19] <mort> I'll just try to pin the packages to get on with my work and check back later
[15:21] <mort> seems I don't know how package pinning works. My /etc/apt/preferences contains `Package: python2.7 \n Pin: version 2.7.12-1ubuntu0~16.04.13 \n Pin-Priority: 999` yet it's trying to download python2.7_2.7.12-1ubuntu0~16.04.14_amd64.deb
[15:27] <eijebong> Hi, 16.04 security mirrors are currently broken, http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial-security/main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz references libpython2.7-minimal version 2.7.12-1ubuntu0~16.04.14 but the file doesn't exist there http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python2.7/libpython2.7-minimal_2.7.12-1ubuntu0~16.04.14_amd64.deb
[15:27] <eijebong> Is that a known issue ? Any way to work around that ?
[15:27] <pfak> how do we report a broken mirror? security.ubuntu.com is missing the latest python2.7 update for xenial:
[15:27] <pfak> ooops
[15:27] <pfak> i was just going to say that eijebong :)
[15:27] <eijebong> pfak: :D
[15:28] <Habbie> wherever you're going to report it, probably useful to include the failing IP
[15:28] <eijebong> <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:28] <leftyfb> eijebong: it's currently being reported
[15:29] <oerheks> eijebong, thanks, known issue
[15:30] <mort> any idea how I can work around it? Specifically, why isn't https://p.mort.coffee/yFB in /etc/apt/preferences working?
[15:34] <oerheks> it seems like the .14 is removed an hour ago, bad build? https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-updates/python2.7
[15:34] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.7/+bug/1916915
[15:35] <leftyfb> it's being worked on as we speak
[15:35] <oerheks> oke leftyfb! so mort, wait a bit.
[15:39] <SuperLag> How do you figure out why a package is being held back from upgrading?
[15:42] <oerheks> SuperLag, which package exactly?
[15:42] <SuperLag> nginx (which I have their repo configured for)
[15:43] <oerheks> with python2.7 ?
[15:43] <SuperLag> No, no python issues here, that I'm aware of
[15:44] <DJ-ArcAngel> hi
[15:44] <DJ-ArcAngel> i have a weird problem on ubuntu 18.04LTS, when i try to install something https://pastebin.com/RDaHZvmQ
[15:45] <oerheks> SuperLag, not sure there, we need more details, what nginx repo, what ubuntu version
[15:45] <DJ-ArcAngel> it says it can't find the IP, while i can ping it and resolv the host
[15:45] <oerheks> DJ-ArcAngel, hi, thanks for reporting, there is an issue with python2.7 , crew is working on it
[15:46] <ogra> DJ-ArcAngel, is says it cant find the file, not the IP btw ...
[15:46] <metbsd> is there a way to save audio mixer setting?
[15:46] <DJ-ArcAngel> ah yea
[15:46] <DJ-ArcAngel> is there something alternative i can use?
[15:47] <mort> regardless of the python issue, I'm wondering why pinning the package doesn't work
[15:47] <mort> I suppose one could just manually download the debs and install them with dpkg
[15:47] <metbsd> now it resets when i reboot
[15:47] <oerheks> alternative, not besides pinning the old version, i would wait a bit
[15:47] <ogra> DJ-ArcAngel, you could try your luck and hope to find a mirror that has not pulled the changes from the archive yet ... but i guess thats a lot more work than just waiting that the archive gets fixed
[15:47] <stonergeek> Good morning everyone. I am hoping one of you can help me. I am attempting to setup an SMTP server. I'm running Ubuntu Server 20.04 LTS. I've installed Postfix and Mailtools,I have also configured the UFW to allow the necessary ports, I've also configured my hardware router to also allow the same ports to the specified machine.
[15:48] <DJ-ArcAngel> ogra: is there an ETA.. this needs to go live tomorrow :D
[15:48] <oerheks> no ETA given, only confirmation that is a known issue, and work is in progress
[15:48] <ogra> DJ-ArcAngel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.7/+bug/1916915
[15:49] <ogra> you can follow that bug to see when it is fixed
[15:49] <DJ-ArcAngel> thanks oerheks, ogra
[15:49] <oerheks> it is not just packaging, also testing.
[15:49] <ogra> yeah
[15:50] <DJ-ArcAngel> i have them installed on another system.. can i re-package them again there as .deb?
[15:50] <oerheks> you should have the original debs there too?
[15:50] <DJ-ArcAngel> if i did not clean
[15:50] <oerheks>  /var/cache/apt/archive/
[15:50] <mort> fwiw, this script works: https://p.mort.coffee/a7p
[15:51] <mort> (that's for 16.04, but should be easy to adapt to 18.04)
[15:54] <mort> needs an `apt install python` after it, but it works otherwise
[16:03] <leftyfb> mort: try again. The indexes should be fixed
[16:03] <eijebong> Looks like it's fixed yeah
[16:04] <oerheks> yay!
[16:04] <oerheks> DJ-ArcAngel, ^^
[16:05] <stonergeek> I was wondering if one of you could help me with an smtp issue?
[16:06] <stonergeek> Or is that off topic here?
[16:06]  * eelstrebor just did a fresh install of 20.04.2 -  some apps take a long time to show up when launched (i.e. gftp took 25 seconds to show up)
[16:07] <mort> is gftp a snap?
[16:07] <eelstrebor> stonergeek, if it's postfix you might have better luck at #postfix
[16:07] <leftyfb> mort: snap search gftp
[16:07] <stonergeek> Ahhhh ... thanks
[16:07] <eelstrebor> mort, i don't know
[16:09] <eelstrebor> mort, i installed it using synaptic
[16:09] <mort> right, the only entry in ubuntu software for gftp is from the repos (and its license is proprietary??)
[16:10] <eelstrebor> i've used gftp for many years, maybe it's time for a change
[16:10] <larkfisherman> hey guys, I just installed Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS and I'm trying to do apt update and upgrade. update passes, upgrade fails with "Failed to fetch [mirror url]/libpython2.7[...] - 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[16:11] <mort> maybe, but don't change away from gftp just because of the license, it seems to be under the GPLv2 and just mislabeled as proprietary in ubuntu software
[16:11] <oerheks> larkfisherman, known issue, try to run sudo apt update again, it should be fixed a minute ago.
[16:11] <leftyfb> larkfisherman: try: sudo apt update   # again
[16:12] <eelstrebor> it came up a lot faster when i ran ubuntu 18.04.5
[16:13] <larkfisherman> Ah, good to know it's a server side issue, and that I haven't just fscked up my system :) Is there any place where I can follow the updates on the issue?
[16:13] <leftyfb> larkfisherman: it's been resolved
[16:14] <larkfisherman> I'm running `sudo apt-get -y update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade` in a loop, and on my machine it still shows the same issue. That's why I'm asking for more information.
[16:14] <mort> maybe it's taking some time for mirrors to update?
[16:14] <oerheks> your mirror is main?
[16:15] <leftyfb> there might be some physical machines as part of the mirrors that are still being updated. Just wait a bit longer then
[16:15] <oerheks> jups, we only can confirm that the fixed packages are out there.
[16:15] <larkfisherman> That makes sense. I will try main mirror, or wait until tomorrow if that doesn't work. Thanks for help :)
[16:16] <oerheks> have fun!
[16:17] <larkfisherman> yep, works again 8)
[16:32] <limbo> How do I reload my GPU driver (nvidia, propietary) without rebooting after an update? I'm getting errors like "Failed initializing any suitable GPU context!" from MPV.
[16:34] <rangergord> (How) can I tell before installing a package, whether it will install a service that will permanently run in the background, or if it will be a standalone executable that I call manually (or any non-executable, like libs, icons, fonts, etc). Basically I want to distinguish between "Service" packages, and packages that have no effect on the system unless I run something manually
[16:36] <limbo> rangergord: extract the .deb file, look at the files. Reading the install script might also tell you. I don't think there's standard metadata for that though.
[16:36] <rangergord> ah, too bad
[16:36] <mort> also might have to look at the debs of any dependencies right
[16:37] <rangergord> yeah that would be really annoying. Was hoping there would be a simple "does this package (or any of its deps) install services? yes/no"
[16:37] <limbo> rangergord: apt-file and search for unit files, or any mention of systemd maybe.
[16:41] <oerheks> rangergord, if there is a systemd file, it should give a clue
[16:42] <oerheks> anyway, if it starts automatic, one can disable the service, even mask it for not to start at all
[16:50] <imi> hi, how do I make ubuntu open a certain file extension with my custom application?
[16:52] <oerheks> imi, open with > choose other, and hope your app is in the list
[16:55] <imi> oerheks: what if it isn't?
[16:57] <oerheks> then it is not registered in /usr/share/applications/  with a desktop file
[16:57] <imi> can I just make my desktop file then? and put it there?
[16:57] <oerheks> sure
[16:58] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[17:01] <imi> thanks
[17:02] <imi> is there a way to resolve trash:/// filenames into /home/imi/absolute/path type filenames from commandline?
[17:02] <dbugger> Well, today my system hates me
[17:02] <dbugger> Does anyone have any idea why could it be that my microphone (recognized by the system) is not recording at all?
[17:03] <oerheks> restpring from trash goes to the original placeholder, AFAIK
[17:03] <oerheks> c/restoring
[17:08] <imi> oerheks: yes it does. However is there a way to "convert" the filename "trash:///a.txt" into "/home/imi/local/share/Trash/files/a.txt" ? or should I write a conversion routine myself?
[17:09] <oerheks> oh, you can actually, in trash; right mouse > move to > select folder
[17:10] <oerheks> ?
[17:10] <imi> no
[17:10] <imi> it's not what I mean
[17:10] <oerheks> renaming a file in trash? no
[17:10] <imi> no
[17:11] <imi> you know that if you have a file in trash it's actually stored somewhere in the old fashioned linux directory tree somewhere?
[17:12] <imi> now I state that if I have a file "a.txt" in trash (a.k.a. "trash:///a.txt") it's actually stored at "/home/imi/local/share/Trash/files/a.txt"
[17:13] <oerheks> in trash, hoover over the row 'name'> right mouse > location
[17:13] <oerheks> that gives the colom where it came from, that is all i find
[17:13] <imi> is there a pre-existing way to convert the string "trash:///a.txt" into the string "/home/imi/local/share/Trash/files/a.txt" on commandline?
[17:15] <imi> ok nevermind thanks for the help anyways
[17:33] <DJ-ArcAngel> oerheks: great.. thanks alot!!
[17:33] <DJ-ArcAngel> O=)
[17:34] <raub> How do I create a group that cannot run or do anything?
[17:39] <frostschutz> raub, it's not really possible (see also 'nobody' user/group), as world permissions still apply. maybe you need a different security mechanism (like a chroot)
[17:39] <jussi_a> Good evening! Since I uninstalled CUDA-drivers I have a problem with my displays (one integrated in laptop, one separate through hdmi) displaying anything only in other screen. Nouveau drivers display anything only in laptop screen (the other screen definitely still exists within the OS because the desktop panel is usable there in the blank
[17:39] <jussi_a> screen), and if i switch to proprietary drivers, the laptop screen will be blank and i can use the computer only through hdmi. Can anyone help me where to manually change the settings so that i could recognize the other screen also?
[17:40] <jussi_a> If that is even the solution for this. I have a hunch it's not a driver problem because changing drivers will not solve it.
[17:50] <leftyfb> raub: what's the point?
[17:56] <jussi_a> can anyone even direct me on how to configure displays on xorg?
[17:57] <oerheks> hi jussi long time no see
[17:57] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#statically_setup_in_xorg.conf
[17:58] <oerheks> for manually, i would install the regular nvidia drivers through the update menu
[17:58] <jussi_a> heh i might be different jussi than someone else. it's a common finnish name
[17:59] <oerheks> oh, and has that laptop an FN key + internal/external/both switch ?
[18:01] <jussi_a> oerheks, yes the laptop has it and i've tried it. With nouveau drivers i can see the cursor in other screen but nothing is being drawn there. With proprietary drivers it does not even bother to clean up the laptop screen after the boot splash screen so the external monitor has the computer screen and computer itself is showing the computer splash
[18:01] <jussi_a> screen. Never seen anything like this :D
[18:02] <longshanks> Hi all. Is there any issue with security.ubuntu.com?  File has unexpected size (111640 != 111832). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[18:03] <longshanks> Something wrong with the release file?
[18:09] <oerheks> jussi_a, tried nomodeset?
[18:09] <oerheks> !nomodeset
[18:09] <oerheks> longshanks, maybe your mirror was just in sync.. try apt update again?
[18:10] <longshanks> oerheks: ok. since it was security.ubuntu.com I was just being cautious. Will retry now..
[18:11] <longshanks> oerheks: seems to work ok now.
[18:11] <jussi_a> oerheks, thanks for advice! I could try it but what does it do?
[18:11] <oerheks> oke, have fun!
[18:11] <oerheks> jussi_a, it disables nasty powersave features
[18:12] <oerheks> else, state your hw, maybe there is a dedicated fix.. still wonder as you had cuda running.
[18:13] <oerheks> sometimes with such odd video issues, removal of the battery and holding the power button 10 seconds could do a decent reset.
[18:15] <jussi_a> It is as if the laptop screen didn't exist at all in hardware when i did xrandr --query with proprietary drivers
[18:18] <jussi_a> But i'll try nomodeset for now
[18:18] <jussi_a> Wish me luck! If i'm not back today, i'll be stuck in terminal without GUI forever
[18:19] <dbugger> oerheks, do you still want a copy of my ZIP file?
[18:19] <dbugger> I think I can give you something
[18:19] <oerheks> hi dbugger
[18:20] <dbugger> hi mate
[18:20] <oerheks> yes please, only if you are authorized.
[18:20] <oerheks> do this in PM, logs are world readable.. and they do read/index them
[18:21] <dbugger> oerheks, Yes, I will send you one
[18:22] <dbugger> oerheks, sending
[18:22] <dbugger> did you get it?
[18:22] <john38> Can anyone recommend a good vpn for 16.04
[18:29] <oerheks> dbugger, recieved, lets see...
[18:30] <dbugger> cool
[18:34] <dbugger> oerheks, does it work for you?
[18:36] <oerheks> dbugger, works fine with unzip, a file default desktop, and a folder with a folder with a png
[18:36] <dbugger> so, it is only me??
[18:36] <dbugger> o_O
[18:36] <oerheks> yes, i think so
[18:37] <dbugger> I am using "fileroller 3.36.3-stable". you?
[18:39] <oerheks> 3.36.3-0ubuntu1
[18:40] <dbugger> .....
[18:40] <dbugger> i have no idea wtf is going on
[18:40] <oerheks> released 	2020-10-12
[18:40] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file-roller
[18:41] <dbugger> then I give up. I have no clue wtf is going on
[18:41] <oerheks> maybe a proper sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade ?
[18:41] <oerheks> packages held back with update?
[18:41] <dbugger> everything up-to-date, says apt
[18:42] <dbugger> unless it is lying, of course
[18:42] <dbugger> Sometimes I think I should never update the system
[18:43] <oerheks> btw in your example earlier, i have seen more files, not 1 file and 1 folder.
[18:43] <dbugger> oerheks, yeah, so that I could send you the file, i had to strip it of all confidential files
[18:43] <dbugger> But the one I sent you does not work for me either way
[18:44] <oerheks> oke, then you altered the file, and made it valid again
[18:44] <oerheks> copy it on an usb on a 2nd machine?
[18:44] <dbugger> So when i altered it, I made it valid, but I cant still use it??
[18:44] <dbugger> That doesnt make sense, no??
[18:44] <oerheks> nope .. but this is what i see
[18:45] <dbugger> mmmm....
[18:45] <dbugger> Still wouldnt solve my problem. The builds I am downloading from the server need to work :/
[18:47] <dbugger> I had another problem today, maybe someone can help me with that... My USB microphone stopped working today. (It actually ruined a job interview). It appears detected in "Setting > Sound", but when I talk, no audio gets captured
[18:50] <oerheks> i find no clue to your issue in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file-roller/+bug/1897170
[18:51] <DJones> +
[18:52] <dbugger> pffff
[19:22] <yates> i'm running lubuntu 16.04.5 LTS with a bluetooth dongle inserter. i've paired my backbeat pro headphones to the system, but when i turn them on, click the bluetooth icon in the system tray, and select PLT_BBTPRO=>Connect i get "Connection failed - Use the audio menu to connect to this device"
[19:22] <yates> why isn't this connecting?
[19:23] <yates> correction: 18.04.5
[19:25] <oerheks> yates, standard blueman or bluez? i find bluez more reliable
[19:27] <yates> oerheks: how do i determine ?
[19:27] <oerheks> locate bluez # it is optional
[19:28] <oerheks> !info bluez bionic
[19:28] <yates> oerheks: "locate bluez" returns a whole bunch of lines
[19:29] <yates> i've also installed pulseaudio-module-bluetooth
[19:31] <feyd> does ubuntu 20.04 have selinux pre-installed on it?
[19:31] <feyd> I'm like 95% sure it doesn't
[19:31] <oerheks> feyd, no
[19:31] <yates> oerheks: this is the output of "apt show bluez": http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GgZh68ssnm
[19:31] <oerheks> !selinux
[19:31] <feyd> oerheks, thank you!
[19:32] <yates> i can't tell if that shows if it is installed or now.
[19:32] <yates> not
[19:32] <feyd> well I sure haven't installed it, and it's a new server, just having some issues with a legacy PHP application and writing to a file, even on 777 folders/files, wanted to rule out SELinux first
[19:32] <feyd> well not first, but wanted to rule it out
[19:33] <yates> does this line indicate it is installed? APT-Manual-Installed: yes
[19:34] <oerheks> yates, so yo have it installed
[19:35] <leftyfb> yates: apt-cache policy bluez
[19:36] <yates> leftyfb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5J4gvwnbQ4
[19:38] <oerheks> and check permissions https://imgur.com/gallery/P1Vvi1K
[19:39] <yates> oerheks: what app do i run to see that?
[19:39] <oerheks> softwarecenter > installed > bluez > permissions
[19:40] <oerheks> this is generally for all programms, to check out
[19:41] <yates> i have no "softwarecenter" menu. i assume you mean on the system menu?>
[19:41] <oerheks> gnome-software?
[19:42] <yates> this is lubuntu
[19:42] <yates> ok i got this
[19:42] <oerheks> boutique .. or is that mate
[19:44] <yates> ok i have gnome-software. when i run it and look under the "Installed" tab i do not see "bluez"
[19:45] <oerheks> ctrl + f; blue enter
[19:46] <yates> not there
[19:46] <dbugger> Is there an official ubuntu discord server?
[19:46] <yates> i see Bluetooth Manager anbd Bluetooth Adapters and BlueWho and Bluefish Editor
[19:48] <yates> oerheks: so what now? why is this happening if apt says i have bluez installed???
[19:49] <yates> i'm all updated as of an hour ago and rebooted
[19:49] <oerheks> wierd..
[19:50] <yates> should i try removing and reinstalling bluez?
[19:51] <yates> that didn't help
[19:52] <oerheks> no reboot required ..
[19:55] <yates> help?
[19:55] <yates> this is my work box. my home box is fedora 32 and it works fine
[19:57] <yates> ok now this is very weird. i randomly get this message on all open terminals, all in red: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cjsZv5Tw9K/
[19:57] <yates> it just seemd to start happening an hour ago or so
[19:58] <yates> ok wait. this is from gnome-software. i had it running in another terminal
[20:11] <badboyhalocat> Does anyone know how I can make snaps not mount on boot?
[20:11] <badboyhalocat> Does anyone know how I can make snaps not mount on boot?
[20:12] <badboyhalocat> didn't mean to double send
[20:12] <badboyhalocat> snaps are delaying graphical.target by ~60s
[20:12] <badboyhalocat> is it possible to have them mount after graphical is reached?
[20:28] <meandrain> hi, any idea if I can get a shell when using ubuntu server iso ?
[20:29] <shibboleth> ctrl+alt+f2?
[20:29] <meandrain> thank you !
[20:29] <shibboleth> alsom the menu used to have "execute shell"
[20:29] <shibboleth> dunno about the new... "installer"
[20:29] <meandrain> I am on mac, and the instance is in virtualbox
[20:30] <meandrain> so ctrl+alt+2 did not worked
[20:30] <meandrain> tried command key instead of f2
[20:46] <highfiv3r> leave
[21:20] <bancroft> i'm looking at man 8 apt-get and I see apt-get [-asqdyfmubV], now when I look at docker many people use apt-get like (`apt install -qy`, `apt -q install -y`, and `apt -yq install` ...)
[21:20] <bancroft> all I want to do is quiet the output as much as possible without doing >/dev/null
[21:24] <neoweb> https://ubuntu.com/blog/zfs-focus-on-ubuntu-20-04-lts-whats-new can the installer do mirror yet?
[21:26] <mendi> join #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:26] <neoweb> who?
[21:30] <neoweb> can the zfs installer do rootfs mirror yet?
[21:35] <gst568923> Hi guys, if I use only ubuntu as OS is secure formatting external HDD with ext4 file system instead of NTFS?
[21:37] <ThinkT510> gst568923: sure, ubuntu will handle that fine
[21:38] <neoweb> gst568923: gparted could make things simple for you too
[21:38] <gst568923> and what about forensic analysis, is it easier to recovery data from an ntfs or ext4 file system?
[21:39] <ThinkT510> gst568923: sometimes the filesystem in use doesn't matter for recovery. some tools look at the raw data
[21:43] <gst568923> Ok, when I formatted the external drive with gparted, write permissions had to be enabled. Is the procedure I followed correct?
[21:44] <gst568923> `sudo chown myusername:myusername /media/username/hdd_name` and than `sudo chmod 777 /media/username/hdd_name`
[21:44] <leftyfb> gst568923: you do not have to enable write permissions to format a drive
[21:45] <summonner> the /media is the mount point, not the device
[21:45] <leftyfb> gst568923: you should not have the partition mounted that you want to format. If formatting the entire drive, you do not want to have anything on that drive mounted
[21:47] <summonner> from memory, the process is something like... run gparted -> format the disk -> unplug the drive -> rescan devices -> exit gparted -> plug in the external disk again and it should work
[21:47] <gst568923> leftyfb I don't understand, did I do something wrong?
[21:47] <summonner> but I believe you need to have fuse installed... let me find the page about mounting drives in userspace
[21:48] <summonner> gst568923, what did you format the drive as?
[21:49] <gst568923> I run gparted > unmount device > formatted with ext4
[21:50] <summonner> gst568923, and you have to exit gparted before plugging the drive back in
[21:51] <gst568923> yes then I quit gparted which automatically re-mount the device
[21:52] <summonner> gst568923, and it mounted it under /media/your_user_name/disk_label  but you say you have no permissions to write?
[21:52] <neoweb> sudo gparted
[21:52] <neoweb> gparted need permissions for the device
[21:52] <ThinkT510> no need to exit gparted, just rescan devices
[21:53] <summonner> if gparted mounts it, gparted runs as root though, not your user ID
[21:53] <neoweb> you chmod/chown /dev/device as root/whatever
[21:53] <neoweb> if gparted is ran as root then you do not need to correct
[21:54] <gst568923> the device is mounted on /media/your_user_name/disk_label  but no permissions to write
[21:54] <mahe> hi, will kernel 5.10 land in 20.04 eventually? if so, any ETA on this?
[21:54] <gst568923> than I have run: `sudo chown myusername:myusername /media/username/hdd_name` and than `sudo chmod 777 /media/username/hdd_name`
[21:56] <ThinkT510> 777 is a bad idea
[21:57] <nunya> I have dual boot Ubuntu 20.04 with cinnamon 4.4.8 I ran clamscan -r -i on my Windows partition and got /media/nunya/Windows/Program Files (x86)/Audacity/msvcp140.dll: Win.Dropper.Fileinfector-9832585-0 FOUND Does anyone know how to remove this. I have googled and found no results. Please help.
[21:58] <ThinkT510> mahe: if 5.10 is what will ship with 21.04 then yes, it will be part of 20.04 (usually after a short while after release)
[21:58] <ThinkT510> !hwe | mahe
[21:58] <nunya> Clamscan has actually found it in several places this is just one. Clamscan is still running in the background now. Maybe more intances will be founf later.
[22:00] <gst568923> ThinkT510 why?
[22:00] <ThinkT510> mahe: in the meantime if you need access now you can test a mainline kernel
[22:00] <ThinkT510> !mainline | mahe
[22:00] <summonner> nunya check in #windows for an answer
[22:00] <nunya> with 312.9 GB to scan this could take a while
[22:01] <summonner> nunya you'll need to do some various commands from the windows interface to ensure integrity of the windows files, best to ask them in there
[22:01] <ThinkT510> gst568923: giving everyone and everything access to something via 777 is certainly not good practice. In reality you don't want random processes being able to modify/have access to everything.
[22:03] <newb101> how do I check if 2 folders that are meant to be the same are the same? using sha256?
[22:03] <mahe> ThinkT510: thank you for the information! If the info on distrowatch is correct, 5.10 will ship with 21.04. So I can expect a hwe backport to 20.04 shortly after the 21.04 release?
[22:03] <gst568923> ThinkT510 I am interested in giving access to my username or other usernames if I had to connect it to other PCs
[22:04] <ThinkT510> mahe: yes, I'm not sure exactly when, maybe a month or two
[22:04] <ThinkT510> !permissions | gst568923
[22:05] <mahe> ThinkT510: I see, thank you! Guess I'll wait then.
[22:08] <ThinkT510> nunya: might be worth asking audacity if they can verify if that file should be there when installing in windows. might be a false positive..
[22:26] <Aavar> Can rclone (or some other tool) keep a directory in multiple machines in sync? Simple is better :)
[22:30] <mendi> rsync works
[22:32] <Aavar> mendi: How can it be done?
[22:35] <maxzor> Hello, what is the name of the thing that automatically starts the graphical session smoothly?
[22:37] <jeremy31> nomodeset?
[22:39] <maxzor> ah
[22:40] <maxzor> I was looking for the program that sounds ocean that does the interactive login, but you might got a better lead
[22:40] <maxzor> dmesg http://ix.io/2QS7
[22:40] <maxzor> I am stuck in a loop between "fsck is ok" and black-screen-with-mouse, never reaches login
[22:40] <maxzor> can login in an alt tty
[22:41] <maxzor> if i try to kill the xorg process, it switches back to the graphical tty (7) and goes back to the loop
[22:56] <maxzor> jctl http://ix.io/2QSf
[22:59] <sarnold> ouch that looks like a bad time
[23:02] <maxzor> systemctl status lightdm says it's "green", but when i try to kill the xorg/lightdm process I get swallowed in the loop again
[23:03] <sarnold> I'm not surprised killing things causes systemd to restart them
[23:04] <maxzor> yes makes sense
[23:04] <maxzor> in #linux got the remark that while apu is intel, there are mentions of radeon in dmesg
[23:07] <sarnold> heh, I missed 'apu is intel' thing in there, radeon dominates that dmesg
[23:09] <maxzor> journalctl talks a lot about faulty pam kwallet
[23:09] <maxzor> maybe is that why i never reach the login screen?
[23:09] <maxzor> but i can login in console tty
[23:11] <sarnold> maxzor: that's almost certainly just noise, loads of people have that
[23:15] <maxzor> it keeps restarting the session, maybe is gpu-manager at fault taking an intel for an amd?
It's been found in 5 files and 2 different programs. I submitted these files on jotti.org They use a bunch of av scanners. Only Clamav is finding it. I would scan with malwarebytes but that one of the programs allegedly infected and I'd have to boot into Windows to use it since they dn't have a linux version./
Tried installin Malwarebytes under wine but it wouldn't run
[23:48] <newb101> how do I tar and gzip a bunch files
[23:48] <newb101> i mean folders
[23:48] <newb101> to a high compression ratio
[23:48] <newb101> ?
[23:54] <EriC^^> newb101: env GZIP=-9 tar cvzf file.tar.gz /path/to/directory
[23:55] <EriC^^> actually use this instead tar cvf file.tar.gz /path/to/directory -I "gzip --best"
[23:55] <newb101> EriC^^ thanks and to do this recursively on a bunch of folders and subfolders in their directories
[23:55] <newb101> ?
[23:56] <sarnold> if you *really* need to squeeze it down, you can use xz instead
[23:56] <EriC^^> it already does, just specify the dir
[23:57] <newb101> i want each folder in it's on seperate tar
[23:58] <newb101> File X = file 1 +file 2 + file3
[23:58] <newb101> so if I do it file 1,2,3 will be separate compressed tars ?
[23:58] <EriC^^> newb101: so just all the folders in a dir you want them compressed each alone
[23:59] <EriC^^> ?
[23:59] <newb101> yes


[00:44] <DanaG> I wish Ubuntu had the time-varying wallpaper Fedora 8 and 9 have.
[00:44] <DanaG> I tried Fedora in a VM, and that was actually the only thing that really stood out as amazing, frankly.
[00:48] <_MMA_> DanaG: Ubuntu does.
[00:48] <DanaG> The XML wallpapers?
[00:49] <_MMA_> It has the ability.
[00:49] <DanaG> Wow, somehow I think I missed it ever appearing in changelogs.
[00:49] <DanaG> I guess I just need to find some wallpapers that use that.
[00:49] <_MMA_> It's part of GNOME.
[00:50] <_MMA_> No. You make a xml file that references the wallpapers.
[00:50] <_MMA_> It's actually not that cool.
[00:50] <_MMA_> It's really CPU intensive.
[00:50] <DanaG> But it only changes once per hour, on the Fedora one.
[00:50] <_MMA_> Still.
[00:50] <_MMA_> And...
[00:51] <_MMA_> The transition it too jerky.
[00:51] <_MMA_> Its not smooth at all.
[00:51] <_MMA_> At least any setups I've seen.
[00:52] <_MMA_> I sent a email to the ml on this months ago. An example setup is there as well.
[00:54] <DanaG> Hmm, what list name?
[00:55] <DanaG> (gnome-something, most likely.)
[00:58] <DanaG> That's odd... Fedora 9's GDM has a sort of panel at the bottom with a gnome-power-manager in it.
[00:58] <_MMA_> If Im in this channel Im talking about this channels list.
[00:58] <DanaG> aah.
[01:00] <_MMA_> I also wish this: "DanaG: I wish Ubuntu had the time-varying wallpaper Fedora 8 and 9 have." would have been this: "DanaG: Does Ubuntu have the time-varying wallpaper Fedora 8 and 9 has?"
[01:01] <DanaG> Good point -- it's a better tone of voice.
[01:02] <troy_s> DanaG: Honestly, Fedora 8 and 9 are junk regarding design, so you probably aren't going to find too many supporters.
[01:02] <DanaG> I don't like the artwork, but I do like the idea of the wallpaper following the time of day.
[01:02] <troy_s> DanaG: Time varying is a novel idea that is rather pathetic in the incarnation present in Fedora 8/9.
[01:02] <troy_s> DanaG: Indeed.  _MMA_ had a time varying script I believe.
[01:03] <_MMA_> DanaG: I just feel questions are better to ask before making assumptions. ;)
[01:05] <_MMA_> troy_s: If Nautilus put drawing the desktop off to a GFX card the effect would be cool. But even with a dual-core setup the effect is too choppy to be nice.
[01:05] <DanaG> dream.wincustomize.com -- some nice there, but some ugly.
[01:05] <DanaG> And painful on the CPU.
[01:05] <_MMA_> Anyway, back to the family.
[01:06] <troy_s> _MMA_: Yeah.  It really needs to be tabled with GNOME, but judging from the views I have seen expressed by key Tango / GNOME guys, it is going to be 'wait till someone else does it first' syndrome
[01:08] <DanaG> What was the title of your mailing list post?  I have that list in thunderbird.
[01:10] <troy_s> DanaG: _MMA_ ?
[01:10] <DanaG> yeah.
[01:14] <DanaG> gmane.linux.ubuntu.artwork
[01:19] <DanaG> Anyway, I can't seem to find anything.
[01:38] <savvas> everyone has their login window in the correct resolution?
[01:40] <savvas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/150938
[01:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150938 in human-theme "Screen resolution problems at login screen" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:59] <DanaG> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639
[02:06] <troy_s> DanaG: Honestly, you are going to need to bring more to the table than pure opinion.  Maybe work / output, knowledge, etc.
[02:08] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm not much of an artist myself... I don't have an ideas of what I'd create.
[02:15] <troy_s> DanaG: Well you have to understand that while I value opinion on created works etc, the value of opinion is just that -- not much (as you can expect there are thousands of free opinions on Ubuntu design / art in the forums).
[02:15] <troy_s> DanaG: Bear in mind that art and design is ultimately about audience and goals, and opinions are rooted firmly in the reality that you are a single audience member.
[02:16] <DanaG> Right.
[02:16] <troy_s> DanaG: Perhaps researching / studying / learning about design would give you a more fruitful approach to understanding how all of the pieces fit together?
[02:16] <troy_s> DanaG: And again, I only offer that up as you will get very disillusioned if you expect anyone to go 'YES' -- as that isn't the nature of the field.
[02:16] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm more the engineering side than the artistic type, but I guess I should exercise the "opposite" part of my brain some time.
[02:17] <troy_s> DanaG: Yes... bear in mind that it was only a few hundred years ago that those brilliant minds of the Renaissance did both.
[02:17] <troy_s> DanaG: (Mind you, we have too many engineers / developers and not enough trained artists / designers)
[02:30] <savvas> figures, no one reverts to blackish titlebar instead of orange :P
[02:30] <savvas> (no offense) :)
[02:30] <DanaG> huh?  I think I missed something there.
[02:31] <DanaG> ... and I'm going to go to dinner now.
[02:32] <savvas> i'm talking about the orange titlebar, it's should be darker
[02:54] <DanaG> Oh, in my theme I screenshotted a while ago?
[02:54] <DanaG> Yeah, I am unusual.  Another way I'm unusual:  If I had to get a desktop again, I'd want a keyboard with a touchpad.
[04:31] <troy_s> savvas: "Should be darker" again, is subjective.  What do you base your knowledge on?  What users did you test?  I say that because what _appears_ to be a simple suggestion from a single person is actually far more complicated under the skin.
[04:48] <DanaG> Oh boy, carpet cleaning tomorrow.  It's like a "chinese fire drill" for furniture, in a way.
[04:52] <DanaG> ... and it reminded me of just how big my Z-5300 speakers' sub is.
[10:43] <volvoguy> hey all. what's going on these days in the art world?
[10:45] <volvoguy> anybody know if there's going to be any new artwork (themes/backgrounds/etc) in the final Hardy release?
[10:46] <kwwii> there already is a new wallpaper and gdm
[10:46] <kwwii> it is pretty much final now
[10:46] <tonic-pushcart> ^_^
[10:47] <volvoguy> it's crazy. i started this group and i never recognize anyone in here anymore. at least you guys are getting farther with actually getting community art into the releases. in my day the canonical folks barely acknowledged we existed.
[10:47] <volvoguy> is it the heron (or bird-like thing) that's new? i missed a release in there somewhere due to medical issues.
[10:48] <kwwii> yes, the ubuntu chicken is the new black
[10:49] <volvoguy> now that support for it is a lot better, i'm hoping some SVG art will start being accepted. (that was my big deal in the early days)
[10:49] <volvoguy> cool, cool.
[10:49] <kwwii> all the art was svg this time around
[10:50] <volvoguy> really? the "chicken" was SVG?
[10:50] <tonic-pushcart> distributed as svg?
[10:50] <kwwii> but for performance reasons bitmaps are still used (you do not want to be rendering blur and such)
[10:50] <tonic-pushcart> yep
[10:50] <volvoguy> huh. i'll have to check that out.
[10:51] <volvoguy> i just did a cool carbon fiber background (10x10px tile actually) that shouldn't be too resource heavy.
[10:52] <volvoguy> a company in Italy is giving me a carbon fiber electric guitar (in exchage for a little office/art work) due to a recent disability, so i've had carbon fiber on the brain lately. :-)
[10:54] <tonic-pushcart> kwwii: whats going on in the usplash front these days? I've heard rumours about splashy for intrepid
[10:54] <volvoguy> are you guys still trying to use ubuntu-art.org (i think) for new submissions or is everyone still mostly using gnome-looks.org?
[11:02] <kwwii> tonic-pushcart: not sure yet...I think it would depend on whether we have a dev who can handle it
[11:02] <volvoguy> i haven't really done anything with themes (GTK and/org compiz - if there's a difference). are there any graphical theme-building apps you guys would recommend? maybe a good reference/tutorial website to check out? it's alway bugged me that you can't just change the colors of a given theme - you have to find a whole new theme with the colors you want (and maybe it'll be the theme you want).
[11:03] <kwwii> volvoguy: there are bits and pieces of info but nothing that amazed me to be honest - I guess it depends on what you want to do and how much you already know technically speaking
[11:04] <tonic-pushcart> kwwii: in what way do you mean, maintaining the splashy deb or an ubuntu-theme for splashy?
[11:06] <volvoguy> kwwii: i know graphics - and i know XML (which I assume the themes use) - but i've only doodled with editing existing themes. I've never tried to create my own. is it mostly editing text files by hand still and piecing things together like that? i was sure that by now there'd be some kind of theme editor around - like the Windowblind guys have in the Windows world.
[11:06] <tonic-pushcart> volvoguy: some GTK themes can have their colours changed through the theme configuration utility provided in recent releases of GNOME
[11:06] <tonic-pushcart> volvoguy: the basic clearlooks theme is configurable in this way
[11:07] <volvoguy> tonic-pushcart: i assume those aren't installed by default since i can't say i've seen them.
[11:07] <tonic-pushcart> volvoguy: of crouse if you want to go further just jump into ~/.themes/ and start playing around with the themes in there (if you've downloaded any).
[11:08] <volvoguy> tonic-pushcart: is that "basic clearlooks" like "clearlooks classic", or the more up-to-date SVG version? the latest clearlooks is one of my favorites.
[11:08] <tonic-pushcart> volvoguy: moment
[11:10] <volvoguy> tonic-pushcart: i haven't downloaded any for the last few releases (I do laptop testing and do full reinstalls with every dev release - and sometimes nightly releases). my installs don't last long enough to merit a whole lot of customization. hardy is looking so good though that i think i'm going to start keeping two installs on my laptop - one to use and one for testing.
[11:12] <tonic-pushcart> volvoguy: "ClearlooksClassic" supports it as does "Clearlooks"
[11:12] <volvoguy> tonic-pushcart: nice!
[11:13] <volvoguy> tonic-pushcart: do you remember what the theme config utility is, off the top of your head?
[11:13] <tonic-pushcart> it is a part of the theme preferences dialogue the comes shipped with GNOME
[11:14] <tonic-pushcart> System->Preferences->Appearance
[11:14] <tonic-pushcart> then click on the Customize button
[11:14] <volvoguy> tonic-pushcart: really!? i don't remember seeing any place to configure colors there. (i don't have my Ubuntu laptop handy ATM).
[11:15] <volvoguy> tonic-pushcart: definitely going to check that out though. thanks! (i'm doing a clean install as we speak actually)
[11:16] <tonic-pushcart> there is a tab called 'Colors' in the 'Customize Theme' window where you can pick a specific control theme
[11:16] <tonic-pushcart> sigh that read wrong
[11:17] <volvoguy> i'm going to boot into the live cd and take a quick peek.
[11:17] <tonic-pushcart> volvoguy: moment
[11:18] <tonic-pushcart> volvoguy: yeah go ahead    my net connection is capped at the moment so I can't find an image guide quickly
[11:19] <volvoguy> tonic-pushcart: booting now.
[11:26] <volvoguy> ok tonic-pushcart, i'm in the colors tab of the "customize theme" window. the default for clearlooks is a blue color and the only thing blue there that i see is "selected items" - which i assume means selected text. am i wrong? i only ever glanced over this tab because it didn't look like it had nearly enough items to edit the colors of a whole theme.
[11:27] <volvoguy> yeah -that seems to have done what i thought. just changed selected things (text, icons, etc).
[11:27] <tonic-pushcart> volvoguy: well it is kinda a guide    the theme developers can use the colours however they wish in the gtk theme script
[11:27] <tonic-pushcart> so just have a play and see what you get
[11:28] <volvoguy> ok. if i want to copy the theme over to my home directory to play around, where are the system themes located?
[11:30] <tonic-pushcart> /usr/share/themes
[11:31] <volvoguy> k. thanks.
[11:31] <tonic-pushcart> and user themes are found in ~/.themes
[11:33] <tonic-pushcart> I can't remember if the appearance capplet will pick up a new theme in the directory while it is running (except those added through its interface)
[11:33] <tonic-pushcart> I suspect not
[11:34] <tonic-pushcart> volvoguy: well have fun
[11:34] <tonic-pushcart> volvoguy: you might find this interesting and useful though... http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/08/21/how-to-make-a-gtk-theme-that-uses-multiple-theme-engines
[11:35] <volvoguy> tonic-pushcart: yeah - it picked it  up as soon as i copied it there. ooh -thanks for the link. hopefully i'll be back in here a bit more as my health improves. i look forward to it!
[11:37] <tonic-pushcart> volvoguy: okay well, take care   see you around.
[11:37] <volvoguy> thanks for the help guys!
[11:42] <zorglu_> hi
[11:42] <zorglu_> i would like to make my own version of this kind of icon/badge. http://www.opera.com/img/download/new/dl-lin.png im not a graphist at all. i am a coder. any advice on the easiet way ?
[11:45] <kwwii> zorglu_: just look at exactly how that pic is made and redraw it with your text, colors, etc
[11:45] <zorglu_> kwwii: ok, once i got that what happen ?
[11:46] <kwwii> your done, export it as png and use it
[11:47] <zorglu_> kwwii: which software would you use ? based on the fact, i dont know how to use it, so i would have to learn it just for this icon
[11:48] <zorglu_> im even considering writing the icon in svg :) closer to my own skills, aka coder :)
[11:48] <tonic-pushcart> inkscape
[11:49] <tonic-pushcart> you could re colour it and clean it up in the gimp too   but I would be wary of copyright issues
[11:52] <tonic-pushcart> zorglu_: I think this is what you really need though http://howto.nicubunu.ro/shiny_web_buttons_inkscape/
[11:52] <zorglu_> tonic-pushcart: seems good indead :)
[11:56] <tonic-pushcart> zorglu_: in fact there is a inkscape tutorials blog
[11:56] <tonic-pushcart> zorglu_: http://inkscapetutorials.wordpress.com/
[12:02] <volvoguy> zorglu_: if you can't figure it out yourself and it's just one graphic you need, i could probably whip it up for you really quick.
[12:05] <tonic-pushcart> night all
[12:05] <volvoguy> g'night
[12:07] <tonic-pushcart> :)
[13:33] <zorglu_> volvoguy: ultra nice of you, but i need to be flexible. i need like various color and various texts. but thanks a lot for the offer :)
[14:29] <volvoguy> zorglu_: (sorry for the delay) no problem. sounds like your best bet is SVG - easily done in Inkscape and then edited by hand/script afterward to your heart's content. :) let me know if you need any help.
[14:30] <zorglu_> volvoguy: as you are volunteering, ... i am editing the svg by hand. i got a rounded rectangle. but how do i put a text inside ?:)
[14:31] <zorglu_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63174/ <- volvoguy my powerfull svg :)\
[14:33] <volvoguy> zorglu_: out of curiosity, did you look at Inkscape yet?
[14:33] <zorglu_> volvoguy: yep. but the .svg produced are 'bloated'
[14:34] <zorglu_> volvoguy: aka contained a lot of stuff which arent human-friendly
[14:34] <zorglu_> http://www.croczilla.com/svg/samples/ <- im reading this and trying to see what i can do
[14:35] <zorglu_> currently i would be happy, with a rounded rectangle and a text inside. nothing fancy
[14:35] <zorglu_> it would just allow me to go forward on my website :) originally im a p2p coder. so learning inkscape is not one of my primary goal :)
[14:37] <volvoguy> i understand about a bit of bloat - any WYSIWYG editor isn't going to be as concise as a human. is this something you're going to be manipulating with a script and rendering as a raster graphic for display?
[14:38] <volvoguy> i'm just trying to understand the final product.
[14:38] <zorglu_> volvoguy: exactly. i will get a script which will get various size, various color, various text. the goal is to get a badge like http://www.linkedin.com/profile?promoteProfile=&trk=mypro_badges
[14:39] <zorglu_> but in my case this is not static. aka when you load the page, you get a badge, then this badge content changes depending if you are 'registered' to this stuff or not
[14:40] <volvoguy> what about just HTML and CSS?
[14:40] <volvoguy> you could do a badge without even rendering to bitmap.
[14:45] <volvoguy> zorglu_: (i'm working as i'm picking your brain - i'm not trying to change your mind or anything). :-)
[14:45] <zorglu_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63184/ <- volvoguy im doiing progress :)
[14:45] <zorglu_> volvoguy: cool :)
[14:46] <zorglu_> volvoguy: about pure html/css, this is a good idea. but my knowledge of html/css is ultra low too :)
[14:47] <zorglu_> volvoguy: moreover it may conflict in the page in which it is included, while a <img> is more neutral :)
[14:49] <volvoguy> zorglu_: gotcha. i think in HTML/CSS so that's always the first thing that comes to my mind. now, let me figure out pastebin and i'll show you the most basic way to include text (i think).
[14:49] <zorglu_> volvoguy: ok :)
[14:50] <volvoguy> zorglu_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63185/
[14:50] <volvoguy> zorglu_: you might even be able to strip out a little more - but that's pretty basic there.
[14:51] <zorglu_> volvoguy: ok cool.looking
[14:53] <volvoguy> zorglu_: you can strip out the style and id too, but at some point you're probably going to need some of those things (the bloat) ;-) to make it look like anything and to be able to reference that part of the file.
[14:53] <zorglu_> xml:space="preserve" <- volvoguy do you know what this one mean ?
[14:54] <zorglu_> volvoguy: ok i think we are done on the .svg, now how do i convert this into a .png ? :)
[14:54] <volvoguy> zorglu_: no. SVG isn't worth hand editing to me so I just use Inkscape. that attrubute can't be removed though.
[14:55] <volvoguy> zorglu_: good question. :) i haven't had to do this on a server yet - again, I use Inkscape.
[14:55] <zorglu_> volvoguy: ok :)
[14:55] <volvoguy> there are lots of "somethingtosomething" kind of apps though.
[14:56] <volvoguy> zorglu_: to convert one file to another. you'd need to have the right libraries and stuff on the server.
[14:57] <volvoguy> zorglu_: maybe this? librsvg2-bin - command-line and graphical viewers for SVG files
[14:57] <zorglu_> volvoguy: yep. trying to see if 'convert' from imagemagick is able to do the job
[14:57] <volvoguy> zorglu_: not sure if imagemagick does vectors yet.
[14:58] <zorglu_> volvoguy: ok installing livrsvg2-bin then :)
[14:59] <zorglu_> $ rsvg vologuy.svg vologuy.png <- volvoguy, it worked :)
[15:02] <volvoguy> zorglu_: cool! googling around it looks like imagemagick can probably do it too - i just didn't see any examples.
[15:03] <volvoguy> zorglu_: and now you have to figure out how to make a script change the text before you render it. ;-)
[15:03] <zorglu_> volvoguy: this is the easy part :) at least for a coder like me :)
[15:04] <zorglu_> volvoguy: thanks a lot for your help :)
[15:04] <volvoguy> zorglu_: well good, i'll come find you when i need some coding help. :) you're welcome.
[15:04] <zorglu_> :)
[15:05] <volvoguy> zorglu_: now i have to go do some audio editing for a podcast. good luck!
[16:55] <_MMA_> http://news.softpedia.com/news/First-Look-The-GIMP-2-5-0-83090.shtml
[16:56] <kwwii> lol, at least they did it on an ubuntu machine
[16:56] <_MMA_> :P


[00:01] <Eickmeyer> Probably not a bug as the mentality there is, "They don't seriously have a blank password if they're locking the screen."
[00:05]  * arraybolt3 watches tsimonq2 write a patch for XScreenSaver out of thin air
[00:09] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Keep in mind that, as far as restricting the user's freedom of choice, a user who wants to set a blank password is free to edit the configuration in /etc/calamares to do whatever they want. Nothing we choose here is something they can't override.
[00:09] <arraybolt3> It just sets a default that keeps them from harming themselves in multiple ways.
[00:10] <arraybolt3> Even if we can fix XScreenSaver, I still feel like it would be better to enforce a password by default. Sure, we want the user to do things as they see fit, but if we know something is usually a bad idea, there's no harm in guiding them away from that and letting them override us if they think they know better for their use case.
[00:53] <arraybolt3> Grief. I just actually took a look inside passwd.c in XScreenSaver, and... no. That is a nightmare.
[00:53] <arraybolt3> Plus jwz apparently isn't well-known for descriptive variable or function names...
[00:54] <arraybolt3> At least not always.
[00:56] <arraybolt3> I *think* (not sure) that it uses PAM thought.
[00:56] <arraybolt3> *though
[00:57] <arraybolt3> Possibly could be related to PAM configuration and "nullok"?
[00:57] <Eickmeyer> This is *quite* the rabbit hole for this late in the cycle.
[00:59] <arraybolt3> Agreed, but Simon is the release manager. If he doesn't want us to enforce a password by default, and we don't have a council vote to say otherwise, then alternative solutions are possibly good.
[00:59] <arraybolt3> (And I'm not about to be the one to ask for us to vote on it :P)
[01:00] <Eickmeyer> In the meantime, I'm not happy because Studio is left hanging with what I consider a security bug.
[01:00] <arraybolt3> I wish Simon was still around though - I don't see him on Matrix at the moment.
[01:00] <Eickmeyer> And even if the Lubuntu part isn't included, both have to be respun.
[01:00] <arraybolt3> That's true.
[01:01] <arraybolt3> Well, in the mean time, I have to go take care of the animals. I'll be back soon, most likely.
[01:07] <arraybolt3> OK back.
[01:15] <arraybolt3> Sigh. I said I wasn't going to ask for a vote, but if Simon's no longer around and we need to do something...
[01:16] <arraybolt3> I'll make sure that Ubuntu Desktop does indeed prohibit a blank password. If it does, I think that's more reason to enforce it in Lubuntu.
[01:22] <arraybolt3> Otherwise we're going to be the only flavor that allows this unsafe configuration by default, and it looks like it may require relaxing more security settings elsewhere in the system in order to make it work right, which I think is a really bad idea.
[01:22] <arraybolt3> Confirmed, you do indeed *need* to provide a password.
[01:22] <arraybolt3> For Ubuntu Desktop with the Flutter installer.
[01:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> I confirmed it with jbicha as well.
[01:40] <arraybolt3> I'm waiting on input from the rest of the Council at the moment. If voted in, I'll ask for it to be accepted.
[11:19] <guiverc> thanks tsimonq2
[11:38] <tsimonq2> No worries
[17:36] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Lunar Final] has been updated (20230417)
[18:05] <Eickmeyer> Everyone: I'm of 1/2 a mind to security SRU bug 2016436 into Jammy.
[18:05] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Bug 2016436 in calamares-settings-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Calamares will let you set up a user account with no password" [Critical, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2016436
[18:06] <Eickmeyer> Wouldn't take effect until 22.04.3, but still...
[19:29] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: I don't think the bug affects Jammy.
[19:29] <Eickmeyer> Would have to test, but I'd almost bet it does.
[19:35] <tsimonq2> -1 for the security pocket, subject to override by the Security Team.
[19:37] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: You and I agree on a lot, but security is one area where I'm not willing to compromise user choice. I'm sure teward would agree with me on this one.
[19:38] <teward> sounds like you need me to make a choice
[19:38] <teward> :P
[19:38] <Eickmeyer> teward: Apparently we (both Lubuntu and Ubuntu Studio) have been letting Calamares let the user install without a password, which IMO compromises the security of the installed system.
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> Fixed for 23.04 but we don't know if the LTS has been letting that happen all along or not. Yet to investigate.
[19:39] <tsimonq2> I still consider it a UX regression, and if the user wants to install without a password (like every other major platform) they should be warned but not stopped
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> Ubiquity has *never* allowed zero password, and ubuntu-desktop-installer doesn't either.
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> All for security reasons.
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> Security > UX
[19:41] <tsimonq2> I still don't think it's a security bug
[19:42] <teward> then you're not aware of how MITRE processes passwords
[19:42] <tsimonq2> And how is that, exactly?
[19:42] <teward> CWE-20
[19:42] <teward> https://owasp.org/www-community/vulnerabilities/Empty_String_Password
[19:42] <teward> CWE-258
[19:42] <teward> https://cwe.mitre.org/data/definitions/258.html
[19:43] <teward> others
[19:43] <teward> so the vulnerability of *allowing* empty or nonexistent passwords is a violation of at least one CWE
[19:43] <teward> if this doesn't have a CVE yet it should get one
[19:44] <Eickmeyer> teward: Have at it. bug 2016436
[19:44] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Bug 2016436 in calamares-settings-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Calamares will let you set up a user account with no password" [Critical, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2016436
[19:44] <tsimonq2> If you're confident this qualifies, fine, but a) I'm not volunteering for any paperwork and b) every other platform might as well have a CVE too
[19:45] <teward> c) Security team handles CVEs
[19:45] <teward> tsimonq2: if this is a configurable *option* or gives a warning about risk and user has to accept the risk, that mitigates the CWE
[19:45] <teward> but simply *allowing* it without any notice is a badness
[19:45] <teward> same for weak passwords - it shows "weak password" in all the installers currently so you KNOW you're using a weak pw
[19:45] <teward> thereby leaving it to the user to *accept* that it's a weak pw or such
[19:46] <teward> no password is the weakest :p
[19:47] <tsimonq2> I'm in favor of a user warning and would definitely write that code, what I'm not in favor of is completely disallowing blank passwords even if the user explicitly wants it
[19:50] <Eickmeyer> *sigh* Well, Ubuntu Studio will not be using Calamares in 23.10 and later. Even if I can't get the new installer figured-out, we'll be going back to Ubiquity and use the GTK version.
[19:50] <Eickmeyer> I'm just tired of this stuff popping up.
[19:53] <tsimonq2> Your call, we'll still be on Calamares for the foreseeable future.
 "If you're confident this..." <- I can do the SRU paperwork, and since it's a security issue, I'll involve the security team.
[20:04] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer[m]: I'd really recommend testing before doing all that :)
[20:04] <arraybolt3> Remember we had a *major* Calamares version upgrade in Kinetic.
[20:05] <arraybolt3> Focal did *not* allow blank passwords.
[20:05] <arraybolt3> And I think Jammy probably won't either.
[20:05] <arraybolt3> (I'd test but other stuff is in the way over here so...)
[20:05] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Yes, obviously.
[20:05] <Eickmeyer> I've got stuff in the way as well.
[20:08] <arraybolt3> Sigh. Maybe there's some way us and Studio can come to an agreement on what we will and won't do with Calamares so we can both keep using it? I have an installation of Studio over here that would have been either impossible or very difficult to do with Ubiquity that was actually doable with Calamares.
[20:08] <arraybolt3> And I hate Ubiquity, like, a lot as far as installers go.
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> Everyone: Jammy does allow a blank password.
[20:15] <arraybolt3> #WellThatStinks
[20:16] <arraybolt3> OK, SRU and CVE it is. And we should add instructions to test for this sort of thing to our testcases.
[20:17] <arraybolt3> Other Ubuntu flavors have password requirement testing as part of the testcases, but Lubuntu's testing system doesn't really use the ISO tracker test cases since we have more complex requirements. And it appears this slipped through.
[20:18] <Eickmeyer> Well, it's possible that the password requirement was *intentionally omitted*. Still waiting on a response from the security team.
[20:19] <arraybolt3> That I do not know. I wasn't around for the initial Jammy release.
[20:19] <arraybolt3> (If this had started in Kinetic, I would know it wasn't intentional because it would have been my fault in porting over the Calamares config to the newer version. But in Jammy, no clue there.)
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> Not your fault. Don't worry about Kinetic, it has 3 months of life left and we can't exactly respin, nor are we expecting a point release for it. 22.04.3 is an eventuality, though.
[20:22] <arraybolt3> Glad we found it and are getting it fixed.
[20:28] <arraybolt3> (One more thought I just had is that a passwordless, sudo-enabled account on Linux has more far-reaching consequences than a passwordless administrator account on Windows. If a command asks for admin privileges on Windows, UAC still requires that the user provide that permission, even if it can be given my just pressing a button.


[01:38] <sml> busco ayuda?
[13:11] <Guest98660> ubuntu reminds me of a dream ive had since i was 5 years old this is amazing to almost see the reality and its still growing :)
[13:13] <Guest98660> how can i get more involved?
[13:25] <Mick000> mick000
[13:29] <Mick000> how can i get more involved with ubuntu?
[14:00] <mhall119> sticking around would help
[15:34] <nlsthzn> lol


[00:33] <f_g> apw: 4.4 looking good so far, will continue testing tomorrow morning (getting late over here..). 4.13 with the KVM GPR clearing patch on top also built, but no testing besides that so far.
[08:27] <f_g> apw, TJ- (in case  your still up): https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/10147679/
[08:27] <f_g> also seems like a likely candidate for regression fixing
[17:03] <f_g> (no problems so far in testing btw)
[20:25] <f_g> apw, TJ- I think you are missing  8705d603edd49f1cff165cd3b7998f4c7f098d27 in your pti branch / 107.130 ("x86/vsdo: Fix build on PARAVIRT_CLOCK=y, KVM_GUEST=n")
[20:26] <f_g> might not be relevant for Ubuntu builds, but potentially for some down streams? not sure what all your flavours do config-wise..
[20:40] <apw> f_g: thanks will check if it is in the next batch