[00:00] <maxzor> tomreyn, thank you for your hand!
[00:00] <qwebirc44021> Ok, I just got to the installation complete window
[00:01] <qwebirc44021> Should I click "restart now"?
[00:01] <qwebirc44021> I'm quite sure it will crash
[00:04] <qwebirc44021> Yup, the wheel spun, my cursor dissapeared, and the laptop is completely frozen
[00:05] <qwebirc44021> Anyone have any idea?
[00:05] <bluezinc_> qwebirc44021: reboot?
[00:06] <qwebirc44021> I just rebooted, I left the USB in
[00:06] <qwebirc44021> It asked for me to login, so I did
[00:06] <qwebirc44021> I'm now at a purple screen
[00:06] <qwebirc44021> I can move a cursor, that's it
[00:07] <qwebirc44021> Should I reboot again?
[00:07] <qwebirc44021> Still at a purple screen with a cursor
[00:08] <tomreyn> !nomodeset | qwebirc44021
[00:08] <tomreyn> qwebirc44021: actually, just keep pressing escape while booting
[00:08] <qwebirc44021> I have a GTX 1050ti
[00:08] <qwebirc44021> Would that cause errors?
[00:09] <tomreyn> qwebirc44021: you shoudl get to see the grub menu, which will have a failsafe graphics option, use this
[00:09] <qwebirc44021> I enabled the install 3rd party software option which I thought installed the Nvidia drivers
[00:09] <tomreyn> ah no it wont, not on 18.04
[00:09] <qwebirc44021> Ooh, ok. I'll try that
[00:09] <qwebirc44021> I'll reboot
[00:10] <tomreyn> qwebirc44021: depending on which 18.04 subversion you installed, the nvidia drivers may not be the latest
[00:10] <qwebirc44021> Ok, should I remove the USB drive before rebooting?
[00:10] <ga_sk8er> qwerbic44021 https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[00:11] <qwebirc44021> Does that guide detail the rest of what I need?
[00:12] <ga_sk8er> it tells ow to  get te driver from  nvidea
[00:13] <qwebirc44021> Ok, thank you!!
[00:13] <ga_sk8er> yw
[00:14] <tomreyn> qwebirc44021: yes you should remove the usb before you reboot
[00:18] <tomreyn> qwebirc44021: note that only the first method discussed on the guide ga_sk8er posted is officially supported by Canonical (and supported here). The second is a !PPA, which is unsupported but can be used for testing, the third is unsupported here, but maybe supported by nvidia.
[00:20] <linuxuser> Anyone know why Ubuntu Budgie 19.04 graphics so bad compared to Ubuntu?
[00:25] <Bashing-om> linuxser1: Have you checked that a graphic's driver is loaded ' sudo lshw -C display ' ?
[00:25] <linuxser1> Yea it says: -display
[00:25] <linuxser1>        description: VGA compatible controller
[00:25] <linuxser1>        product: HD Graphics 5500
[00:25] <linuxser1>        vendor: Intel Corporation
[00:25] <linuxser1>        physical id: 2
[00:25] <linuxser1>        bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
[00:26] <Bashing-om> !paste | linuxser1 - when you are UN-quieted.
[00:27] <linuxser1> Okay sorry
[00:27] <linuxser1> So the drivers are loaded Bashing-om
[00:27] <Bashing-om> linuxser1: Once is OK .. we all have to learn :)
[00:28] <linuxser1> As in they were loaded already.
[00:28] <Bashing-om> linuxser1: I do want to see that complete output .. be aware though that I have little experience with Intel graphics - as they "just work" .
[00:28] <metbsd> something really wrong with iso. the iso write to usb drive and the usb can never get installation going
[00:28] <linuxusertux> Display looks crappy sometimes, like it's washed out , yet in PopOs and Ubuntu it's pretty. :(
[00:29] <Bashing-om> linuxser1: Bad graphics on one release when good on others sure points a finger at graphics.
[00:33] <Bashing-om> linuxser1: "bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0" makes me wonder if this is a loptop with hybrid graphics. also to the lshw output show in a pastebin ' lspci -vnn | grep VGA -A 12 ' .
[00:35] <tomreyn> metbsd: maybe it's not the iso that is wrong, but the storage it is written to?
[00:35] <tomreyn> metbsd: did you write it using etcher?
[00:37] <metbsd> tomreyn: that etcher is 100mb to write a usb drive. and it froze when it's writing
[00:37] <metbsd> im gonna try fedora to see if it's alright
[00:43] <tomreyn> metbsd: this sounds even more like there can be issue with your flash storage
[00:46] <tomreyn> metbsd: you might want to test it using http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/ (also available in ubuntu, maybe also in (fedora)
[01:04] <\dev\cache> what do most people use for Voip Calls other than skype.. i.e sip client?
[01:07] <jmichel> You need a SIP infrastructure like Asterisk and also a gateway to reach the rest of the world
[01:07] <jmichel> Else, your ISP may provide you that.
[01:07] <OerHeks> ekiga and such
[01:33] <dont-panic> anyone ever encountered the issue where wifi and having a bluetooth item connected results in failure to coexist?  My wifi doesn't work when my headphones or ps4 controller are connected to bluetooth
[01:36] <tomreyn> dont-panic: wifi and bluetooth can use overlapping frequencies, so co-existence is a common issue.
[01:36] <dont-panic> tomreyn: is there anyway to work around it outside of only using one at a time?
[01:36] <dont-panic> i'm trying to steam game with wireless
[01:37] <tomreyn> use 5GHz for wifi if both ends support it.
[01:37] <doc|work> enow
[01:37] <dont-panic> I don't have that option, it's my parents :(
[01:38] <tomreyn> look for co existence parameters on the wireless and bluetooth drivers you have running
[01:38] <dont-panic> tomreyn: is that where I add the bt_coex_active=N stuff to iwlwifi.conf in the modprobe.d file?
[01:38] <dont-panic> *folder
[01:40] <dont-panic> something online said to put 'options iwlwifi bt_coex_active=N' into /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi-opt.conf, but that file wasn't there before and I have a iwlwifi.conf... not sure where that should go or if the current way should work after a reboot
[01:40] <tomreyn> based on what you said so far you want it to coexist, this option would disable that. it is enabled by default
[01:42] <dont-panic> oh... well that didn't do what I wanted then lol
[01:42] <dont-panic> tomreyn: is there a way to reload this without rebooting?
[01:43] <tomreyn> dont-panic: you'd need to stop networking, rmmod the module,   modprobe anyoptionsgohere=1    the module
[01:43] <dont-panic> bt_coex_active:enable wifi/bt co-exist (default: enable) (bool)  <-- that's in modinfo iwlwifi
[01:44] <tomreyn> i'm not sure this would workd, though. the module may still be in use
[01:44] <\dev\cache> so no one can recommend a clien aside save a few recommendations about sip infrastructure
[01:45] <dont-panic> \dev\cache: wat?
[01:46] <tomreyn> ekiga was suggested to \dev\cache earlier, must have missed it
[01:46] <tomreyn> jitsi is another one
[01:49] <\dev\cache> dont-panic: I asked for a recommendation on sip clients, everyone decided to chime in recommending sip infrastructure et al
[01:50] <dont-panic> huh... I don't know what sip means outside of single inline pins
[01:50] <dont-panic> or package? idk
[01:58] <pragmaticenigma> \dev\cache: This channel is more focused on support type questions regarding Ubuntu and it's official flavors. If you're interested in getting recommendations and discussions on other's SIP client preferences, check out the #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:59] <pragmaticenigma> dont-panic: SIP is a protocol often used by Voice over IP telephony
[02:00] <Eickmeyer> Most modern corporate switchboards use SIP.
[02:04] <dont-panic> ahh... I'm still stuck in wifi/bluetooth hell lol
[02:04] <dont-panic> I wish there was a way to tell bluetooth to jump a few mhz up the chain on connect
[02:05] <dont-panic> like a reverse priority for the channels
[02:05] <dont-panic> use the ones further from 2.4ghz and work back towards it
[02:06] <Eickmeyer> !ot | don'dont-panic
[02:07] <dont-panic> Eickmeyer: ?   If we didn't have such strict rules, it would be chaos in here. Please keep conversation to support only.
[02:31] <RobWilco> has anyone run into any issues with Cuckoo sandbox and Guacamole since upgrading to Ubuntu 19.04?
[02:54] <cstk421> I have ubuntu 18.04 installed from the windows store on 10.  I am able to ssh to the localhost or <IP_ADDRESS> and i can ssh to the ip of the machine <IP_ADDRESS>.  However when my cisco anyconnect is connected I cannot ssh to the ubuntu session.  Its in the firewall and there is the sshd process in windows listening on 2222.  Any thoughts on getting this to work ?
[03:01] <Eickmeyer> cstk421: Support for that in #ubuntu-on-windows
[03:02] <cstk421> ah thanks Eickmeyer
[03:02] <cstk421> not very many people there :(
[03:02] <dax> ##windows supports it too, apparently
[03:02] <Eickmeyer> cstk421: Yeah, so you might have to stick around longer. I'm in there, but alas, I don't have the answer to your question.
[03:03] <cstk421> copy that
[03:03] <cstk421> dax: thx
[03:03] <Eickmeyer> cstk421: also, try ##windows
[03:03] <dax> (that's what their ops told me a year and a half ago, anyway)
[03:03] <jcotton> somewhat
[03:03] <cstk421> gotcha
[03:03] <jcotton> they may kick them back here
[03:03] <jcotton> it's also a bit dead in there atm
[03:04] <jcotton> windows channels seem to operate on US daylight hours
[03:04] <jcotton> more or less
[03:34] <max3> is there a way to auto maximize a window when you drag it to a workspace?
[03:34] <max3> in 18.10 gnome
[03:35] <NitinSharma> i am facing issue https://dpaste.de/aQpe
[03:35] <NitinSharma> in install Vue
[03:35] <NitinSharma> any active here?
[03:36] <max3> NitinSharma, you need to install locally rather than globally
[03:37] <NitinSharma> max3,  actually i installed npm by Snap
[03:38] <NitinSharma> could be reason for this failure? or only -g
[03:38] <max3> NitinSharma, run npm init in a folder somewhere
[03:38] <max3> then do the npm install
[03:39] <NitinSharma> but i installed npm successfully
[03:39] <NitinSharma> by snap
[03:39] <max3> bro
[03:39] <max3> just do what i said
[03:39] <max3> you clearly don't know much. just do what i said and you'll see
[03:41] <NitinSharma> max3,  run npm init
[03:41] <NitinSharma> Command 'run' not found, did you mean:
[03:41] <fosslinux> max3: what if he wants to install globally
[03:42] <fosslinux> NitinSharma: you need to use sudo. run sudo npm install yourpackageshere
[03:42] <fosslinux> this will install them system-wide for all users
[03:42] <max3> don't do that
[03:42] <SideLinesOfCode> doesn't npm have a user flag?
[03:42] <max3> there are very few npm packages that should be installed globally
[03:42] <max3> especially not vue
[03:43] <max3> does anyone know where the gnome workspace code is
[03:43] <NitinSharma> sudo run npm init
[03:43] <NitinSharma> [sudo] password for nitin:
[03:43] <NitinSharma> sudo: run: command not found
[03:43] <blue1> what is npm?
[03:43] <Myth> Upon arriving home today, I find that I am unable to access System Settings via the GUI in Ubuntu 18 with Cinnamon. This system has been stable for some time now with no problems, and I haven't even been using it very often lately. What could be wrong? I've already rebooted the system, to no avail
[03:43] <Eickmeyer> This could be handled in #Node.js
[03:45] <Eickmeyer> NitinSharma: remove "run" from your command line.
[03:45] <NitinSharma> k
[03:48] <max3> where is the js interpreter that runs behind gnome-shell?
[03:48] <max3> how can i pull up the console
[03:49] <Eickmeyer> max3: I don't know, but the people in #gnome might know.
[03:49] <max3> Eickmeyer, that channel is dead
[03:49] <max3> right now
[03:50] <NitinSharma> https://dpaste.de/YqrV
[03:50] <NitinSharma> Eickmeyer,
[03:50] <Eickmeyer> NitinSharma: I am the furthest thing possible from a Node.js expert. Try asking in #Node.js.
[03:51] <Eickmeyer> max3: You might have to wait a while, just like with any support channel.
[03:51] <NitinSharma> okay thanks
[03:51] <Myth> I tried Jake's instructions here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/864723/system-settings-wont-start-ubuntu-16-04
[03:51] <Myth> But it didn't work
[03:52] <Eickmeyer> Myth: You might have to remove some files from your ~/.config directory, and probably clear your ~/.cache directory as well.
[03:52] <Eickmeyer> I'd suggest exploring ~/.config first and deleting anything related to Cinnamon.
[03:52] <Myth> Eickmeyer, Okay
[03:53] <Eickmeyer> Myth: Even the .gtk* directories/files might be worth deleting.
[03:54] <Myth> Eickmeyer, I'm in root, but cannot see any "config" folder or "cache" folders
[03:54] <Eickmeyer> Myth: You shouldn't be in root. You should be in your home folder (~/)
[03:55] <Myth> Eickmeyer, Oh okay. Cntrl + H, and there it is
[03:56] <Myth> Eickmeyer, I only see one thing with Cinnamon in the name, "Cinnamon Session"
[03:56] <Myth> "Cinnamon-session" specifically
[03:57] <Eickmeyer> Myth: That might be it, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
[03:57]  * Eickmeyer doesn't run Cinnamon often
[03:57] <Myth> Eickmeyer, Me either. The folder contains a subfolder titled "saved sessions", but it is empty
[03:58] <Myth> "saved-session" specifically
[03:58] <gofio> "If there is a 50-50 chance that something can go wrong, then 9 times out of ten it will."
[03:59] <gofio> oops sorry
[03:59] <Eickmeyer> Myth: the askubuntu article you linked deals with gnome and Unity, not Cinnamon, so that wasn't going to work anyhow.
[04:00] <Myth> Eickmeyer, Ah, fair enough
[04:00] <Myth> Thanks for pointing that out
[04:00] <Eickmeyer> Myth: Try launching "cinnamon-control-center" from your terminal and see what it says.
[04:01] <Myth> ok
[04:02] <Myth> Opened a simple System Settings windows with a few options: All Settings button, then the main windows has Color, Display, Graphics Tablet, and Network buttons, respectively, left to right
[04:02] <Myth> Eickmeyer, All Settings button is unresponsive
[04:03] <Eickmeyer> Myth: Something went wrong at some point, either with the installation or during an upgrade.
[04:03] <Myth> Eickmeyer, Okay, my mistake. It isn't a proper hyperlink, but rather a directory button for folder navigations
[04:04] <Eickmeyer> Oh, okay.
[04:04] <Eickmeyer> So, it's working?
[04:04] <Eickmeyer> Myth: ^
[04:05] <Myth> Eickmeyer, Installation has been fine for over a month. I never upgrade operating systems anymore, just a fresh install, but then again, I think the last update came down the pipeline with a kernel upgrade
[04:05] <Myth> Eickmeyer, Technically, it is working, but it is missing a lot of options, like power management, etc
[04:06] <Eickmeyer> Myth: Try doing a "sudo apt install --reinstall " every package in this list: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=cinnamon
[04:06] <Eickmeyer> Also, did you say what release you were running, Myth?
[04:07] <Myth> Eickmeyer, Got it. Working on that. Oh, yes. Ubuntu 18.04
[04:07] <Eickmeyer> Okay, just making sure.
[04:07] <Myth> Also, for reference, here is a screen shot: https://imgur.com/a/sQXfCyG
[04:08] <Myth> Only a few hardware listings
[04:09] <Eickmeyer> Myth: Yeah, that's missing a ton of modules. Hopefully they'll be pulled-in by the install --reinstall command. Sadly, I can't guarantee it.
[04:10] <Myth> Eickmeyer, Indeed, I thank ye for the help. Tried sudo apt install --reinstall cinnamon, but it is hanging in the terminal
[04:10] <Myth> Dropped a line down, but it must be incomplete
[04:11] <Eickmeyer> Myth: Sounds like something in the package manager got messed-up then, and probably propogated into this problem. I'd suggest a backup/reinstall of the OS.
[04:12] <gofio> where is it in ubuntu that i can go to install ubuntu into a pendrive, I mean, from ubuntu already installed into a hard disk, just like it is when from a live session?
[04:12] <Myth> Eickmeyer, Dang, really? That's terrible news for me. Synaptic seems to be working, as does the Software Manager
[04:12] <Eickmeyer> Myth: Oh! Good!
[04:12] <Myth> Eickmeyer, Whew!
[04:12] <laptop> hi what to do if linux 5 does not recognize video driver
[04:12] <laptop> I installed nvidia driver
[04:13] <laptop> and it is not recognized but k
[04:13] <laptop> kernel 4.19 recognizes it
[04:13] <Myth> Eickmeyer, Shall I try Synaptic to fix the Cinnamon bits? Or... what do you think?
[04:13] <laptop> nvidia geforce 7150/630n
[04:14] <Eickmeyer> Myth: I'd definitely try Synaptic if it's working. It might even point-out if there's any broken packages.
[04:14] <Myth> Eickmeyer, Oh yeah! It DOES do that! I completely forgot
[04:14] <Eickmeyer> gofio: etcher.io
[04:15] <Eickmeyer> gofio: And I'm not going to hold your hand through this (I've seen you in here before).
[04:15] <gofio> but is that for a live session or a full install Eickmeyer
[04:15] <Eickmeyer> gofio: Live session.
[04:15] <gofio> I'm asking for the full install
[04:17] <gofio> yes we tried to do so from a live session to another pendrive a full install, but now I want to try from an already install in a hard disk into a full install in a pendrive
[04:17] <gofio> if that is possible
[04:17] <Eickmeyer> gofio: I don't know of any way to do that unless the hard drive is smaller than the pendrive.
[04:18] <gofio> ook, thanks Eickmeyer
[04:18] <Eickmeyer> gofio: You're welcome. :)
[04:19] <gofio> I think this is also for a live session install but it's fun to watch a little kid explaining this stuff, just found it searching for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIhYitXwJfE
[04:19] <Eickmeyer> gofio: That's great, but let's keep the chatter in here to support only. :
[04:19] <Eickmeyer> :)
[04:20] <gofio> thing is I'm going now so I could leave the pendrive installing meanwhile but doesn't look like an easy thing to do for what I see
[04:21] <Eickmeyer> gofio: Not exactly. You could try CloneZilla, but I don't know if you'll get it to boot properly considering how some boot methods work.
[04:22] <gofio> yeap that's the thing that it's been already three times and it did not boot any. About 10 hours total installing for nothing (thus far)
[04:22] <Myth> Eickmeyer, I'm going to check on the default desktop environment, then possibly remove the Cinnamon desktop from there to avoid issues, then reinstall it after. What do you think of this plan? I don't see any broken packages in Synaptic, but I'm not great at using it either
[04:23] <Eickmeyer> Myth: That sounds solid. Use the "purge" or in Synaptic "completely remove" option, just to be sure.
[04:24] <Eickmeyer> Myth: Also, once you've done that, go into a terminal and type "sudo apt autoremove --purge"
[04:25] <Eickmeyer> Then do your reinstall.
[04:25] <Myth> Eickmeyer, Status>Not Installed (residual or obsolete) et cetera?
[04:25] <Eickmeyer> Myth: If it's not installed, then it's not going to have that option, in which case the only way to "completely remove" it is from the command line using "purge".
[04:26] <Eickmeyer> as in "sudo apt remove --purge ".
[04:26] <Myth> Eickmeyer, I meant using Synaptic after uninstalled Cinnamon, would that be the route to complete removal via Synaptic?
[04:26] <Myth> Or Terminal, right
[04:26] <Eickmeyer> Myth: Yes.
[04:26] <Myth> But after basic removal, correct?
[04:26] <Eickmeyer> Myth: Yes.
[04:27] <Eickmeyer> If you have the option for complete removal in this context, use it.
[04:27] <Eickmeyer> Of course, we're gambling on the idea that nothing in the gnome session is borked.
[04:27] <Eickmeyer> (or Ubuntu session, as it were0
[04:27] <Eickmeyer> )
[04:27] <Myth> Eickmeyer, Okay. Thanks for the feedback. I'm performing an Ubuntu system update now first. I'll reboot and see if there is any change after that, since it has some kernel stuffs, then I will move forward accordingly
[04:28] <Eickmeyer> Myth: Sounds like a plan. I'm off to bed for the night.
[04:28] <Myth> Eickmeyer, Well, you are appeciated. Rest well
[04:28] <Eickmeyer> Good luck! and thanks!
[04:28] <Myth> Cheers!
[04:29] <blue1> has anyone had issues where xsane doesn't recognize a scanner?
[04:50] <ehiaxa> I am using qbittorrent which is available from their own ppa and one which canonical maintains. qbittorrents repo does not have dingo packages and I was wondering if there was a way to switch from their own repo to canonicals
[04:51] <ehiaxa> should I uninstall, remove the qbittorrent's ppa from my sources ans then reintsall qbittorrent from the canonical repo?
[04:52] <Bashing-om> !info qbittorrent disco
[04:53] <guiverc> ehiaxa, i would suggest purge than load from Canonical.  A non-Canonical/Ubuntu source may have non-Ubuntu specific versioning of packages & create problems; why i'm suggesting purge (I don't know about specifics to qbittorrent though)
[04:53] <guiverc> s/than/then
[05:01] <ehiaxa> guiverc: thanks. is it up to the maintainer to publish disco packages?
[05:02] <ehiaxa> Because I'm seeing some software that I use that doesn't have any disco releases
[05:13] <guiverc> ehiaxa, where it comes from is your clue on who's responsible.  if from 'main' it's Canonical, if from 'universe' it's up to the community (thru motu..), if PPA it's up the 3rd party owner etc..
[05:22] <qwebirc50863> join
[05:22] <qwebirc50863> help
[05:22] <qwebirc50863> hello everyone
[05:26] <qwebirc50863> I `m trying to find the best amd gpu driver to work with RX 580 and openCL
[05:28] <qwebirc50863> but in same time, I would like to know if someone have the new Radeon VII  and amdgpu pro
[05:30] <qwebirc50863> I `m thinking to buy the new Radeon and start mining Ethereum
[05:30] <Kendos-Kenlen> I could read in OpenSSH changelog that SCP is a deprecated protocol that should be avoided. What other protocol do you recommend to send files on a distant machine?
[05:36] <qwebirc50863> good night everyone
[05:37] <SOUL> good night
[05:51] <tatertots> Kendos-Kenlen: you could send a hard drive or usb drive via UPS/FedEx/DHL to the distant location
[05:58] <Kendos-Kenlen> tatertots mmh, i think i can bring it by myself, the computer is 3m away, UPS is a bit overkill
[06:15] <snadge> since updating to 19.04 .. and choosing wayland session instead of xorg.. my pc has just hard locked or frozen twice.. not sure if hardware or not, obviously wayland is not default yet.. what could it be?
[06:16] <snadge> it didn't do that in previous version of ubuntu, or in windows though.. i guess I could switch back to xorg just to rule that out
[06:24] <snadge> google doesn't turn up much about random freezes .. but others have suspected wayland is the cause and it isn't default.. that makes me sad though.. wayland is shiny
[06:25] <erle-> Remmina from Ubuntu 18.10 does not connect to GNOME shared desktop in Ubuntu 19.04
[06:25] <erle-> error being "unknown TLS extension"
[06:34] <snadge> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=No-Wayland-Default-20.04-LTS
[06:34] <snadge> wayland -> bin
[06:52] <Rockwood> i am facing error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YKtWBXQFNv/
[06:52] <Rockwood> at time of sudo apt-get update
[06:53] <Rockwood> any active?
[06:53] <erle-> snadge, Wayland is great, there is just a lot of missing features that require work
[06:54] <Myth> I'm having some trouble after researching online extensively; Does anyone here know how to 1) Increase GUI font scale/size? and 2) Make the Nautilus window background a less blinding, darker shade? I'm using Ubuntu 18.04 with Cinnamon desktop installed via the universal repo
[06:54] <snadge> i wanted to believe.. and I personally have no issues with it.. but random system freezes approx every 24 hours
[06:54] <erle-> also it is literally only one click in GDM to switch between Xorg and Wayland
[06:54] <erle-> so this "not default" is really misleading
[06:54] <erle-> implying you need to install stuff etc.
[06:55] <Myth> I cannot seem to get any themes to make the windows background of Nautilus darker, and the Font setting with Scale factor isn't having an effect on text at all
[06:55] <erle-> Myth, Settings->Devices->Display gives you options 200%, 300% etc
[06:56] <snadge> default still has meaning though.. ie.. if you don't do anything then you are using Xorg
[06:56] <erle-> for just changing fonts, intall gnome-tweaks
[06:57] <erle-> snadge, I did not have freezes, but I had some apps that did not have window borders
[06:57] <erle-> also missing VNC server
[06:57] <Myth> erle-, Like this? I don't see that setting. I also tried gnome-tweaks but the font remained unchanged
[06:57] <snadge> and my computer seems to have frozen again.. last time, i couldn't even ping it.. so if I could figure out a way to find out why that is happening, that would be nice
[06:57] <Myth> https://imgur.com/a/mXXbpeV
[06:57] <erle-> snadge, performance and stability was fine, and the per-monitor scaling was amazing because I have a movie projector
[06:57] <erle-> snadge, what video driver?
[06:58] <snadge> its an rx580.. so radeon.. the open source default driver
[06:58] <erle-> Myth, it looks like this in current gnome
[06:58] <MonsieurBon> Hi all
[06:58] <asumo> MonsieurBon: sup
[06:59] <Myth> erle-, Should I switch back to LightDM? I swapped display management to GD3 because the text wouldn't change
[06:59] <dlam> hmmm I didnt use my laptop for a long time and it lost all battery power:  now when i boot my laptop, its going to grub  instead of the ubuntu bootloader thing!   anyone know how to fix?
[06:59] <MonsieurBon> I'm trying to upgrade to 19.04. When I open software updater and click on upgrade, it closes and nothing happens. Can I start the software updater from command line so I would see an error message?
[06:59] <dlam> (at grub, i can type 'exit' and then it shows the ubuntu bootloader screen :0)
[07:00] <erle-> Myth, https://imgur.com/a/0fIf6rG
[07:01] <Myth> Oh, I see
[07:01] <Myth> erle-, I'll check that out
[07:01] <erle-> but the 200% is not always there
[07:01] <erle-> probably only when your resolution is high enough
[07:02] <ducasse> MonsieurBon: 'sudo do-release-upgrade'
[07:02] <Myth> MonsieurBon, I'm no expert, but I'd be careful about upgrading. I've had wretched luck with it. Seems clean installs work better
[07:04] <MonsieurBon> Myth, I can still do a clean install if something doesn't work anymore :)
[07:04] <erle-> Myth, the 200% only makes sense if you have a HiDPI screen like Macbook Retina
[07:04] <erle-> otherwise better just make fonts a little larger
[07:05] <Myth> MonsieurBon, That is true
[07:05] <MonsieurBon> ducasse, it tells me to first install all updates. It seems that it doesn't like me pinning php to version 7.2.10!
[07:07] <ducasse> MonsieurBon: that might cause problems, yes. you might need to unpin and upgrade that.
[07:07] <Myth> erle-, I think my issue may be from latent configuration files from a previous install of Cinnamon, or the fact that my source is different than before. I used to use the embrosyn PPS for Cinnamon, but after a recent update, it broke so I removed it and reinstalled from the universal repo instead. But now the options I'm familiar with are either gone or not working (Nautilus was dark before, and the foint scale factor worked
[07:07] <Myth> "out-of-the-box"
[07:08] <Myth> *PPA not PPS
[07:09] <MonsieurBon> ducasse, There's a PHP bug that got introduced with 7.2.11... I need to check if the new versions are working first. Thx for your help.
[07:10] <Myth> I purged Cinnamon earlier in an attempt to fix it. My default DE was working fine. For no apparent reason other than an update "not agreeing" with my Cinnamon DE, I had to use the default DE to open System Settings. Cinnamon wouldn't work
[07:11] <ducasse> MonsieurBon: try 'apt changelog packagename'. if this bug is reported on launchpad you can track it there.
[07:11] <Myth> I'm wondering if I should have followed up with Synaptic and removed any residual files
[07:11] <MonsieurBon> ducasse, I'll check it out, thx
[07:12] <Myth> Or tried the embrosyn PPA again or something... erle- Any ideas?
[07:12] <asumo> Myth: i prefer the lightdm login, much prettier than gtk greeter lol
[07:12] <Myth> asumo, Me too, but I was trying to fix another issue. Turned out it didn't matter one way or the other
[07:13] <asumo> Myth: can i ask what the issue was?
[07:14] <qwebirc10999> Hi
[07:14] <asumo> nm just read it
[07:14] <asumo> qwebirc10999: hi
[07:14] <qwebirc10999> I have mouse issue using lubuntu on Pi3
[07:15] <qwebirc10999> lsusb shows mouse has detected
[07:15] <qwebirc10999> but its not working
[07:15] <qwebirc10999> no move, no clicks
[07:15] <qwebirc10999> i checked syslog
[07:16] <qwebirc10999> there is a problem that i don't know
[07:16] <Rockwood> firefox is not opening https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/96vkr6QRrj/
[07:16] <asumo> sadly I can't help, i used raspbian just for testing purposes but i've uninstalled it since i prefer only terminal on all my pies
[07:16] <Myth> asumo, Sure. When I arrived how earlier and interracted with my Ubuntu 18.04 with Cinnamon desktop environment, I could not get System Settings to open. I purged Cinnamon via Terminal after trying other things to no avail, then rebooted and reinstalled. I'd removed the PPA from embrosyn first too, and the reinstallation was from the universal repo. I switched to Cinnamon once again, only the options were more limited than I
[07:16] <Myth> recall, such as in themes, I'm unable to get the background of Nautilus folder windows to darken, and the scaling factor setting for Font size isn't working either
[07:16] <Rockwood> i just installed mozilla and i am facing this issue
[07:16] <Rockwood> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/96vkr6QRrj/
[07:16] <Myth> arrived home* I meant to say
[07:17] <asumo> except for my pi3b+ with retropie/hyperpie
[07:18] <qwebirc10999> Here is the syslog for usb mouse: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hdxrvZDyYH/  (line 11)!
[07:18] <asumo> Myth: sorry to hear that
[07:18] <Myth> I think the most recent Ubuntu update from yesterday may have "disagreed" with my PPA install of Cinnamon, and now I'm having latent issues from my fix
[07:19] <Myth> asumo, PPA's can be fickle
[07:19] <Myth> Thanks
[07:19] <asumo> tell me about it
[07:19] <asumo> I cant when new ppa installs break the system
[07:19] <asumo> *i hate
[07:20] <Myth> I'm going to purge Cinnamon again and this time, I will use Synaptic to remove residual config files. I'm not sure how I will reinstall it though. I'm going to have to research diufferent sources and see how I feel
[07:21] <Myth> I have suspicions that my previous PPA (embrosyn) may have been the reason for the issue, but I'll need to research it
[07:22] <Tuor> Hi, is it possible to install ubuntu without amazon (or other things like it)? I use amazon personaly, but I just visit there webpage when I do.
[07:26] <Rockwood> Error: Access was denied while trying to open files in your profile directory.  why i am facing this error
[07:26] <Rockwood> and i am unable to open firefox mozila in ubuntu 18.04
[07:30] <Ben64> Rockwood: probably from improper use of sudo
[07:31] <Rockwood> Ben64, i am trying to open firefox just
[07:31] <Rockwood> nitin@cyberia:~$ firefox -P
[07:31] <Rockwood> Error: Access was denied while trying to open files in your profile directory.
[07:31] <Ben64> try "find ~ \! -user $USER -print"
[07:32] <Rockwood> try "find ~ \! -user $USER -print"
[07:32] <Rockwood> Command 'try' not found, did you mean:
[07:32] <Ben64> do the stuff in the quotes
[07:33] <Rockwood> sudo firefox
[07:33] <Rockwood> Running Firefox as root in a regular user's session is not supported.  ($HOME is /home/nitin which is owned by nitin.)
[07:33] <Ben64> uh
[07:33] <Ben64> thats not in the quotes
[07:33] <Rockwood> which quotes?
[07:34] <Rockwood> nitin@cyberia:~$ try "find ~ \! -user $USER -print" <-- where you want do quotes?
[07:35] <Miklo> whenever i click, my mouse cursor theme changes to another one, and then back when i release the click. always alternating between 2 themes. Has anybody ever had this? and it only changes when i click on the desktop area, if i click on an application or something i can move around, then it doesnt change
[07:36] <qwebirc23638> Hello! I use Ubunt 19.04. I can not install the printer Kyocera EKOSyS P2335d. In the automatic mode, the driver does not find. In the version of Ubuntu 18.04 this printer worked fine and the drivers were installed automatically. I downloaded from the official website of Kyocera .ppd file for linux. Installed, but the printer still does not print. Indicates that the printer is not responding. Tell me what to do?
[07:36] <Rockwood> Ben64, ah okay sorry got it you meaning about quotes
[07:37] <Rockwood> nitin@cyberia:~$ find ~ \! -user $USER -print but nothing in output yet
[07:38] <asumo> qwebirc23638: did u find a solution to your mouse problem?
[07:39] <Rockwood> Ben64, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MVKYKqfQY5/
[07:39] <Rockwood> no response
[07:40] <asumo> qwebirc23638: your issue is systemd-udevd[1326]: Assertion 'buf->len >= count' failed at ../src/libsystemd/sd-hwdb/sd-hwdb.c:92, function linebuf_rem(). Aborting.
[07:42] <asumo> seems to be an issue with systemd on lubuntu on pi
[07:43] <asumo> qwebirc24486: welcome back
[07:43] <asumo> can you not use another distro other than lubuntu with systemd?
[07:52] <akit> hello
[07:52] <akit> epta
[08:19] <Pyxel> Hi everybody ! I need an advice from you. I'm actualy in class learning for ubuntu and i need te créate a problem and solve it by myself
[08:19] <Pyxel> do somebody have an idea ? i'm on the 18.04
[08:23] <EastCharlie> ?
[08:24] <zhaokun> basicly,you can learn basic command just like ls df pwd and so on,or you can edit a file by vi or vim.
[08:28] <EriC^> Pyxel: i have an idea, add a "." at the end of your ~/.profile it will wreck your login, then use the tty1 to login and edit it back fixed
[08:29] <Pyxel> Thanks a lot ! I gonna try it :)
[08:30] <EriC^> :)
[08:32] <oule> hi, I can't do my update when I run 'sudo apt update'
[08:32] <EriC^> oule: paste the error in paste.ubuntu.com
[08:37] <Xalys> roboirc: /join php
[08:37] <Xalys> :|
[09:30] <jansengb> Hi. After upgrading to 19.04, command-not-found is not working because /var/lib/command-not-found/commands.db is not readable by regular users. Fixed by `sudo chmod a+r ...`.
[09:33] <oule> Hi, I want to delete the repo
[09:33] <oule> http://ppa.launchpad.net/djcj/vapoursynth/ubuntu
[09:35] <oule> because it is not reachable anymore but I can't do it with the command line 'ppa-purge'
[09:41] <EriC^> oule: why not? does it say it cant find the release file?
[09:43] <akkonrad> sometimes my 18.04.2 freezes and I don't know why, system indicators are not showing anything unusual, is there a way to check/log what is going on? 32GB ram, cpu i8850, windows 10 preinstalled, ubuntu added as second OS
[09:44] <akkonrad> usually it freezes and I can't do nothing
[09:44] <akkonrad> very rarely
[09:44] <matteotanca> hi all
[09:44] <matteotanca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1825006
[09:44] <matteotanca> anyone having this problem?
[09:48] <tuxi> same here
[09:48] <tuxi> i had no idea
[09:49] <tuxi> if i am searching for postman then it shows up
[09:51] <Kendos-Kenlen> Which algorithm is considered as safe today for SSH key? RSA is still widely used, but isn't there new algorithms out there?
[09:57] <oule> EriC^: problem solved, it said the repo wasn't signed anymore and I could used 'ppa-purge' to delete it from my session
[09:58] <EriC^> oule: ok
[09:58] <oule> I just remove /etc/apt/sources.list.d/djcj-ubuntu-vapoursynth-bionic.list
[09:59] <oule> now i can run apt update
[10:23] <Dart> I have managed to get the raspberry pi 3 to work with the new beta1 release. I had video issues with an AcerP191W. The video was split 3/4 to the right and rubbish on the left. I selected the full GL in raspi-config to get it to be better. I use this rasp pi 3 with an lcd screen and tha is not working too well. the top of the screen is absent and I cannot adjust it
[10:31] <ubuntu>
[10:52] <hakan> loj
[10:53] <wildermind> can anyone recommend a good multi-messenger for ubuntu to support slack, google hangouts and irc ?
[10:54] <pantsu> weechat + bitlbee?
[10:55] <pantsu> or irslackd
[10:55] <amr00t> i have installed python3.71 from source and deleted the tar pls how do i remove it?
[10:55] <pantsu> amr00t: very carefully with rm
[10:55] <amr00t> and revert back to default python3.6
[10:56] <pantsu> amr00t: you could fire up a container and and install it again the exact same way in there and track the files it added
[10:56] <pantsu> and then remove those from the main system
[10:56] <amr00t> pantsu: how do you mean container? virtualbox?
[10:58] <pantsu> podman/similar, but a vm would also work
[10:59] <pantsu> there is also make uninstall, but ymmv a lot with it
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:09] <rrbrussell> Hello
[11:19] <thefatma> Hey Guys, when connectiong to VNC on an ubuntu 18.04.2 machine whenever i try to open the terminator it get's stuck (xfce4 desktop) the regular terminal does work tho , any idea of how to overcome this?
[11:20] <thefatma> Tried reinstalling the terminator and also purging the config file, doesn't seem to help
[11:38] <lapidary> before I get a login prompt on my computer, I need to ssh in, start x11-common, and run startx.  After that it works.  Do I need to reinstall x11?
[11:42] <rrbrussell> @lapidary what is the output of sudo systemctl status graphical.target
[11:43] <lapidary> rrbrussell, I have it up and running now; so it's running.  I'll reboot and get back on chat on aonther computer.
[11:47] <creamme> I forgot who was helping me a second ago; graphical target is active
[11:48] <rrbrussell> Okay what does systemctl get-default show?
[11:49] <rrbrussell> it should be graphical.target @creamme.
[11:49] <creamme> rrbrussell, graphical.target
[11:51] <rrbrussell> did you recently update any apps or install anything new before it quit working?
[11:52] <creamme> rrbrussell, I put the proper drivers for my nvidia card
[11:52] <rrbrussell> open source ones or the proprietary ones?
[11:53] <creamme> rrbrussell, there are open source ones?  I used the one from the repository
[11:54] <BluesKaj> the repos drivers are the open source
[11:55] <creamme> oh, open source then
[11:56] <BluesKaj> oops, i might be wrong, I'm bit confused about the naming
[11:57] <rrbrussell> according to apt search -n xserver-xorg-video-nvidia the description is NVIDIA binary Xorg driver. The novuea driver, xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, is the open source one.
[11:57] <BluesKaj> creamme, as long asyouused the repos drivers you should be fine, the website drivers only work til a kernel upgrade
[11:58] <rrbrussell> This sounds like an X11 config change, and I haven't used an nvidia device in over half a decade now.
[11:59] <rrbrussell> what happens when you run nvidia-settings in Xterm on the problematic computer.
[11:59] <creamme> mk; one sec, I will need to go downstairs again.
[12:02] <BluesKaj> rrbrussell, i hate the naming nomenclature for linux drivers, open source is default as you said (nouveau)
[12:03] <BluesKaj> proprietary are the optional ubuntu drivers, correct ?
[12:03] <rrbrussell> I will agree with you there BluesKaj. Naming conventions in open source projects have never made a lot of sense to me.
[12:04] <rrbrussell> xserver-xorg-video-nvidia should pull in the latest nvidia driver if the restricted repo is enabled.
[12:04] <BluesKaj> yeah, that's why I get confused sometimes, altho I should know better
[12:05] <BluesKaj> haven't used nvidia for a while either since my new machines are all intel
[12:06] <rrbrussell> Excluding my NUC I haven't been an Intel customer in more than five years.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> heh
[12:08] <BluesKaj> well, I'm a home user so intel fills the bill ...nvidia pcies worked well when I needed them back in the day
[12:10] <rrbrussell> The only reason I bought the NUC was because I needed something silent to record audio on. Unfortunately there are very few ITX motherboards for AMD and even fewer than can fit a really quite cooler on them. So an Intel NUC it was. At this point it is almost my daily driver.
[12:10] <rrbrussell> I think my last Nvidia card was either AGP or PCI-E v1.
[12:11] <BluesKaj> that's a while ago alright
[12:12] <rrbrussell> I think was installed in an Core2Quad for a bit before I bought a RadeonHD card with more outputs or more vram.
[12:15] <creamme> nvidia-settings is running downstairs, I'm going to login down there again.
[12:18] <lapidary> nvidia-settings compains becuse I don't have permission to ~/.nv/
[12:19] <lapidary> rrbrussell, shall I change owner of that folder?
[12:19] <pantsu> lapidary: who owns it currently?
[12:19] <rrbrussell> thanks pantsu
[12:20] <lapidary> pantsu, root
[12:21] <pantsu> lapidary: ok: don't run random commands as root, and yes, do chown it
[12:21] <pantsu> I asume that ~ currently does not expand to /root
[12:21] <lapidary> ya got me.  I was having a hard time getting things going.  Thanks pantsu and rrbrussell I learned a lot
[12:22] <rrbrussell> you should have run sudo nvidia-settings so it can write a correct X11 config file to /etc/
[12:22] <rrbrussell> If you didn't run nvidia-settings under sudo then yes it will complain about not being able to read ~/.nv/
[12:23] <rrbrussell> sudo doesn't change the $HOME directory for commands you run under it.
[12:24] <pantsu> nvidia-settings will break your xorg config more often than it fixes it in my exprience
[12:25] <lapidary> is there an archive of this channel? I missed the conversation on noview, or whatever the default name is for the GUI is.
[12:26] <rrbrussell> The noveau drivers are for ancient nvidia hardware or in my opinion, masochists.
[12:27] <BluesKaj> hehe
[12:27] <lapidary> LOL what does it mean?
[12:27] <rrbrussell> I have never seen them work as well as the vesa driver on any nvidia hardware new enough to be supported by the official nvidia driver.
[12:28] <pantsu> nouveau does work better than vesa, but it is generally vastly inferiour to the blob
[12:30] <rrbrussell> Maybe in your experience. Not in mine. I ended up replacing a motherboard because the built in card wouldn't work with the nouveau driver and it got aged out of support form the official one.
[12:30] <pantsu> nouveau atleast does kms
[12:30] <pantsu> and have some acceleration on most cards
[12:30] <ioria> and, for the record, with kernel 5.0 it supports even Turing
[12:31] <rrbrussell> That mobo had given my brother other issues for a few years that point, but that replacement was earlier than we wanted.
[12:32] <rrbrussell> The last working X install on that motherboard was somewhere between 4.0 and 4.10 if my memory is working right.
[12:46] <Sliss> Only checkboxes and radiobutton's in firefox on gnome render invisible. I can never see if something was preselected of if I selected something. Is there a known visual malfunction?
[12:46] <Sliss> *or if
[12:49] <ioria> Sliss, what theme are you using ?
[13:05] <manikantha_tadi> join /ansible
[13:23] <mate|2194> hi
[13:23] <mate|2194> =)
[13:24] <mate|2194> its live
[13:24] <mate|2194> )))
[13:53] <liu> hello
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> welcome liu how can we help you?
[13:55] <mia> Hello channel
[13:55] <liu> thanks,this is my first time use the soft.
[13:55] <mia> I'm getting aecces permission denied error when I'm trying to edit a file in an sd card
[13:55] <mia> how should I do this?
[13:55] <EriC^^> mia: use sudo
[13:55] <cfhowlett> !ownership
[13:55] <cfhowlett> !permission
[13:56] <gofio_> hey EriC^^ you're here, just to let you know I'm running the usb installed ;-)
[13:56] <EriC^^> gofio_: great, how did it end up working?
[13:57] <kadiro> cool gofio_
[13:59] <gofio_> it's a bit of a long story but I can copy pasted on pm from the linux channel. Did it for a fourth time, this time without the internet options, and have tried in another computer, the one had the uefi-legacy thing in the bios, that I remembered I had seen it. So now I'm in the configuration process, without wifi etc etc. But all good, so just wanted to thank you again :-)
[14:00] <mia> thanks EriC^^ sudo nautilus solved my issue
[14:00] <mia> I'm new to all this so yeah
[14:00] <mia> :)
[14:00] <gofio_> hey kadiro thought u'd be in both channels!
[14:00] <kadiro> gofio_, I'm happy for you
[14:00] <gofio_> did not know this xubuntu came by default with only cable internet options :-/
[14:01] <pragmaticenigma> gofio_: For discussion and chat, please join the #ubuntu-offtopic .. thank you
[14:01] <gofio_> thanks kadiro :-) grub showed in a milisecond and everythings seems to go just fine. Still not there but progess has been done, so that's a pro
[14:05] <EriC^^> gofio_: ah great, good to hear
[14:05] <EriC^^> mia: great, only 1 remark with graphical apps it's better to do "sudo -H nautilus" for instance, so that no files in your home dir get owned by root
[14:06] <EriC^^> if they do a quick "sudo chown -R $USER: ~" should fix stuff
[14:08] <gofio_> thanks EriC^^ :-)
[14:08] <EriC^^> gofio_: no problem
[14:08] <EriC^^> :
[14:08] <EriC^^> :)
[14:08] <gofio_> what about u and you pragmaticenigma :? is that an issue here :? just wondering
[14:09] <OerHeks> interesting, asking ubuntu support in 2 channels
[14:09] <pragmaticenigma> gofio_: That is offtopic for this channel, please visit #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to discuss
[14:11] <gofio_> thanks pragmaticenigma then it doesn't have to be an issue
[14:16] <Mdlpe> hi, is it possible to install gimp 2.10 instead 2.8 on Ubuntu Bionic ?
[14:17] <pragmaticenigma> !latest | Mdlpe
[14:17] <ioria> Mdlpe, from snap
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> Mdlpe: snap find gimp
[14:17] <Mdlpe> snap ?
[14:18] <pragmaticenigma> !snap
[14:18] <OerHeks> https://snapcraft.io/gimp
[14:18] <rotomega> ello
[14:18] <rotomega> is this working
[14:18] <kadiro> interesting app
[14:18] <Mdlpe> thanks
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> rotomega: we see you, it works
[14:18] <rotomega> can someone help me
[14:19] <OerHeks> snap install gimp --edge or snap install gimp
[14:19] <rotomega> hello???
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> ask a question first rotomega
[14:19] <rotomega> ok
[14:19] <rotomega> so i made a network on hex chat
[14:20] <rotomega> bi i cant connect
[14:20] <rotomega> but sorry
[14:20] <rotomega> it's called chat
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> rotomega: this channel is about ubuntu support
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> rotomega: What do you mean you created a network? A network to where? How are you chatting here?
[14:20] <OerHeks> rotomega, are you using hexcchat now?
[14:21] <ivaat> hi. having issue /run/dirForPid gets removed
[14:21] <whislock> rotomega: Please type full sentences. Using the enter key as punctuation makes it difficult to follow what you're saying.
[14:21] <rotomega> yes
[14:21] <ivaat> should pid files be on /var/run ?
[14:21] <rotomega> sorry for my keyboard
[14:21] <pragmaticenigma> ivaat: what are you trying to do?
[14:21] <Jonopoly> is lubuntu more lightweight than xubuntu?
[14:22] <rotomega> I AM TRYYNG TO JOIN A NETWORK!
[14:22] <ivaat> pragmaticenigma: starting service. it's pid file is located on /var/piddir but that dir does not exist. when i created it manually then on next start it is gone
[14:22] <OerHeks> Jonopoly, yes, according to !flavors it is
[14:22] <OerHeks> !flavors
[14:22] <kadiro> Jonopoly, you can try many desktopq and choose what it is working for you
[14:22] <ivaat> same was with php-fpm
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> Jonopoly: This channel focuses on Ubuntu support and it's official flavors. For recommendations and polling, please visit the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[14:23] <Jonopoly> Wow thanks everyone
[14:25] <leftyfb> ivaat: is something not working properly? php-fpm works fine on ubuntu 18.04 out of the box
[14:33] <sere_> anyone know why my exfat external hd would locks up. can write or do anything at all after I try play a movie or go into a file
[14:33] <sere_> I use this to mount it UUID=4264-E77F 	/media/external 	exfat	defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000  0  0
[14:34] <pragmaticenigma> sere_: try changing the last value to a 2
[14:34] <kadiro> it is in read only
[14:35] <sere_> gid=1000 0 2?
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> sere_: Correct... though if it is an external drive, why are you listing it in /etc/fstab ?
[14:38] <sere_> pragmaticenigma: I have two external 5tb drives. One I use with plex media server the other a backup. I have always mounted my external this way. is it not the correct way?
[14:39] <tomreyn> sere_: it's fine if you have them constantly connected
[14:40] <tomreyn> if not, you could still use fstab with noauto and nofail
[14:40] <sere_> tomreyn: Yes I do.
[14:40] <sere_> tomreyn: ah oh ok I see
[14:41] <tomreyn> by default anything in fstab gets mounted automatically, which could be an issue if you removed removable drives
[14:42] <tomreyn> sere_: about the disk locking up, see dmesg / journalctl -b
[14:43] <sere_> tomreyn: oh ok. I have only removed it maybe once or twice, although last night a storm caused the power to go out and after that this started to happend now that I think about it
[14:43] <tomreyn> !smart | also this, sere_
[14:44] <sere_> tomreyn: ok thanks alot
[14:44] <tomreyn> the power outage could very well explain it. you should do a file system check on windows asap
[14:44] <sere_> tomreyn: do you think using it in windows can cause something like this
[14:46] <tomreyn> sere_: no more than using it on linux, no. it's just that exfat, being a primarily windows file system, can only be corrected on windows if things break.
[14:46] <tomreyn> such as if the file system got corrupted, which will most likely happen due to a power outage / unclean shutdown.
[14:48] <sere_> tomreyn: oh ok. Last night i went to windows to trouble shoot. I know noticed that I couldnt delete anything but still could play a movie. also defraggler showed in my rightclick on a file menu
[14:48] <sere_> i never ran a system check though
[14:49] <tomreyn> sere_: it's a "file system check". we don't support windows here, /join ##windows to get help with it.
[14:50] <pragmaticenigma> sere_: sorry for a delay in responding, tomreyn is right though. no harm if they're always attached and live. If a power outage occured I would run diagnostics on those drives. fsck is what is used in linux to check drives I believe
[14:50] <tomreyn> the exfat support there is on linux is the result of reverse engineering a proprietary file system. it is not a complete implementation.
[14:51] <sere_> tomreyn: oh ok
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> ah, good to know... I've never personally tried
[14:51] <sere_> pragmaticenigma: no worries I appreciate your help
[14:52] <sere_> im looking at journalctl -b right now
[14:52] <sjoshi> Hello, I have upgraded Ubuntu from 18.10 to 19.04 but my kernel version is still showing as 4.19
[14:52] <groke> guys i don't know if this is a bug or intended: in gnome-terminal, if you open several tabs and click the tab-menu, if you click on one menu-item nothing happens. What I expected to happen was to switch to the tab one clicks on.
[14:53] <qwebirc29313> Hi, I want to make a script to help people with mounting samba shares. I want to do it the proper way, and I have found gio mount to mount a samba share as a user. Then the share is available in Nautilus, but I cannot find it in the filesystem. I would like to make a symlink to the mountpoint to make it easier to find/navigate to from the cli. Previously I seem to remember they showed up in ~/.gvfs but that dir does not exist.
[14:53] <sjoshi> I gotfew issues while upgrading and running --configure commands allowed me to complete the installation
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | sjoshi
[14:54] <sere_> ill be right back going to reboot
[14:54] <Pitel> Why isn't OpenJDK part of disco repos?!
[14:54] <Pitel> opejdk 8
[14:54] <groke> what's disco repos
[14:54] <groke> disco dingo?
[14:55] <sjoshi> lotuspsychje: I have done the update and upgrade part but still...
[14:55] <Pitel> groke yes
[14:55] <sjoshi> now I am trying the apt full-upgrade part
[14:55] <dax> Pitel: because disco uses OpenJDK 11 instead
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> sjoshi: could you pastebin us your sources.list please?
[14:55] <leftyfb> Pitel: openjdk11-13 are available.
[14:55] <JimBuntu> qwebirc29313, lsblk or mount should show you the share path... might also be able to open the share in Nautilus and then use CTRL-L to view the path
[14:55] <dax> (or 12, or 13, but not 8)
[14:55] <Pitel> yeah, but lot of apps (eg. whole android toolchain) still relies on 8.
[14:56] <OerHeks> Pitel, openjdk-8 is depreciated, it is all openjdk-11 now? https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=openjdk-8-jdk https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco-updates/openjdk-11-jdk
[14:56] <Pitel> on cosmis, there was 8 and 11
[14:56] <cfhowlett> >>> deprecated <<< as well as depreciated
[14:56] <leftyfb> Pitel: disco != cosmic
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> Pitel: and now your real question, what are you trying to install that requier 8?
[14:57] <Pitel> android sdk (gradle). I get build errors with jdk11.
[14:58] <dax> Pitel: It's a universe package, so support for it was highly dependent on Debian's opinions on the matter. Debian removed it from their next release because it goes EOL before that release does, and thus Ubuntu removed it at the same time.
[14:58] <sjoshi> lotuspsychje: there i go -> https://pastebin.com/RHZwVfb3
[14:58] <sjoshi> uname and lsb_release output as well
[14:58] <pragmaticenigma> Pitel: Sounds like you should check out the forums for Android SDK development, to see how others are working with it. Though I do recall there being a specific version of Ubuntu recomended for Android SDK developement
[14:59] <gdb> That's too badk about openjdk 8, openjdk 11 isn't suitable for some applications (Oracle moved some functions from Java SE to Java EE between 8 and 11, so some applications that run on 8 will not run on 11 now, without paying for EE).
[14:59] <tomreyn> sjoshi: this doesn't seem to be an ubuntu kernel also. is this a VPS?
[15:00] <Pitel> yeah, i worked it around it with openjdk's ppa. but I was like WTF?! why isn't it there when it should still be supported.
[15:00] <sjoshi> tomreyn: ubuntu is on my laptop, no VPS
[15:00] <Pitel> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history see, still supported (although no updates from oracle)
[15:00] <pragmaticenigma> gdb: Please remember that this channel is for Ubuntu support. If you would like to discuss software development or other topics, come join us in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:00] <tomreyn> sjoshi: so how did you install this kernel?
[15:00] <gofio_> when using xubuntu but there is something to download, install, etc, it is the same as it was ubuntu, isn't it? that is, if there are only two options like ubuntu 18.04 and ubuntu 16.04, I would always take the ubuntu 18.04 (as it is ubuntu 18.04) and that is it, isn't it? thanks
[15:01] <sjoshi> tomreyn: ok, so once bluetooth was not working and I have installed a UI utility to upgrade to a newkernel
[15:01] <sjoshi> I forgot the name of that tool
[15:01] <pragmaticenigma> gofio_: The only difference between xubuntu and ubuntu is the desktop interface. The internals of the OS are the same
[15:01] <sjoshi> tomreyn:ukuu
[15:01] <tomreyn> sjoshi: actually it can be an ubuntu kernel, but it seems to be an unsupported mainline kernel image which you didn't upgrade since installing.
[15:01] <gofio_> ok, great so basically they are the same, thanks pragmaticenigma
[15:02] <sjoshi> tomreyn:I am ok to upgrade it now, can you help with commands?
[15:02] <tomreyn> sjoshi: so if this utility supports undoing what it did, this is the time to do that.
[15:02] <gofio_> now, I am into a ubuntu 17.10 right now as I type and want to upgrade to ubuntu 18.04 (I would like it to be as similar as possible) can I save all the configuration and installs, etc, without any full new install?
[15:03] <sjoshi> tomreyn:is it safe to upgrade to kernel 5.0 using ukuu
[15:03] <pragmaticenigma> !eolupgrade | gofio_
[15:03] <tomreyn> sjoshi: not supported here. you can use the 5.0 kernel which comes with ubuntu 19.04.
[15:04] <sjoshi> tomreyn:may i know the kernel version I will install that only
[15:04] <sjoshi> or a command that can upgrade kernel that comes with Ubuntu 19.04
[15:04] <tomreyn> sjoshi: it should already be installed, unless you removed the linux-image package
[15:04] <sjoshi> tomreyn:I did nothing...
[15:04] <gofio_> anybody here upgraded to 18.04 from 17.10 ?
[15:05] <leftyfb> gofio_: why are you running 17.10? In the last 3 days of you installing multiple things, who suggested you try 17.10?
[15:05] <tomreyn> sjoshi: well you decided to install an unsupported utility to install an unsupported kernel image.
[15:06] <sjoshi> tomreyn: thats correct, I want not knowing that I will not be upgraded with new version of Ubuntu as well
[15:06] <tomreyn> sjoshi: run this:   cat  /etc/default/grub  | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:06] <gofio_> nobody told me leftyfb. I chose it thinking most stable wasn't the last one, as they're use to being beta, but what do I know. Wasn't aware, that's the short of it
[15:06] <tomreyn> sjoshi: and post the url here
[15:06] <leftyfb> gofio_: reinstall with 18.04
[15:07] <tomreyn> sjoshi: also this:   dpkg -l linux\* | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:07] <gofio_> I've been using it in the last 6 months leftyfb
[15:07] <sjoshi> tomreyn:https://termbin.com/603v
[15:07] <leftyfb> gofio_: and it will be unsupported in 3.
[15:07] <gofio_> but then I have to go aaal the way again with everything leftyfb ?
[15:07] <leftyfb> !upgrade | gofio_
[15:08] <gofio_> well if everything works I'm upgrading/whatever today leftyfb
[15:08] <gofio_> yeap I'm on those sites, reading. That's why asking if anybody went already thru same process
[15:08] <tomreyn> sjoshi: ok, what about the other link?
[15:08] <sjoshi> tomreyn:https://termbin.com/yzea8
[15:08] <leftyfb> gofio_: that's not a support question.
[15:09] <gofio_> all about interpretation I guess
[15:10] <leftyfb> gofio_: no, asking for others experience is not a support question. Regardless of how you interpret it. Let us know if you have any issues upgrading.
[15:10] <tomreyn> sjoshi: see, linux-image is no longer installed. it is installed by default, though. remove ukuu, or make sure it doesn't interfere with kernel upgrades anymore. then   sudo apt update && sudo apt install liunux-image
[15:10] <tomreyn> sjoshi: typo fiex:   sudo apt update && sudo apt install linux-image
[15:11] <tomreyn> *typo fixed
[15:11] <sjoshi> tomreyn: on it
[15:12] <tomreyn> ok
[15:12] <sjoshi> removed ukuu
[15:12] <gofio_> how do I get a sources.list?
[15:13] <sjoshi> tomreyn: E: Package 'linux-image' has no installation candidate
[15:13] <leftyfb> gofio_: what do you mean by "get"?
[15:13] <sjoshi> sudo apt install linux-image, is showing multiple options
[15:13] <gofio_> "To begin the upgrade, make sure you have a sources.list like the following" leftyfb
[15:13] <pragmaticenigma> gofio_: Where are you reading that?
[15:14] <leftyfb> gofio_: neither of the links you were sent says that
[15:14] <gofio_> how do I make sure I have a sources.list like that leftyfb that's what I meant
[15:14] <gofio_> from the very same links have been pasted here pragmaticenigma
[15:14] <leftyfb> gofio_: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade  follow that official link
[15:15] <gofio_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#SpecificOlder
[15:15] <leftyfb> gofio_: 17.10 is not EOL
[15:15] <gofio_> I have clicked from here, but whatever
[15:15] <leftyfb> gofio_: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade  follow that official link
[15:15] <sjoshi> tomreyn:I am confused .. :(
[15:16] <gofio_> leftyfb: it really gets confusing when half the people say one thing, 17.10 is eol, and the other half says that it is eol
[15:16] <pragmaticenigma> gofio_: And where in the "Specific Upgrades" did you find 17.10 to 18.04... when IT IS NOT LISTED THERE?
[15:16] <gofio_> that it is not
[15:16] <gofio_> I mean
[15:16] <leftyfb> oh wait!
[15:16] <leftyfb> 17.10
[15:17] <leftyfb> jeeze... yes, that is VERY EOL
[15:17] <gofio_> see
[15:17] <leftyfb> I was reading 18.10, my badd
[15:17] <gofio_> but is not first time two people say opposite things, so no worries. It just gets more confusing for a while
[15:17] <gofio_> for whatever the reason, we all have glitches
[15:18] <fryfrog> Is there a better place to ask about Snap? I'm wondering if it is normal or good for a snap to run as `root` on the inside.
[15:18] <OerHeks> fryfrog, there is no reason to run snap as root
[15:18] <tomreyn> sjoshi: install linux-image-amd64 instead
[15:18] <tomreyn> sjoshi: actually linux-image-generic
[15:19] <fryfrog> OerHeks: What about *inside* the snap? https://github.com/albertodonato/sonarr-snap < for example
[15:19] <sjoshi> tomreyn: triggered the command, I can see kernel 5.0
[15:20] <sjoshi> will keep u posted with further updates
[15:20] <gofio_> in this link https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-upgrading-ubuntu-desktop#1 it shows the unity/whatever the name "thing" that I don't have in ubuntu 17.10, guess that's not a problem
[15:20] <blackflow> fryfrog: where do you see this?
[15:20] <OerHeks> fryfrog, you would need sudo to install, and likely sudo to give access to <removable-media> , just once
[15:20] <tomreyn> sjoshi: ok, and sorry, i was gone for a minute.
[15:20] <OerHeks> but then just run the snap
[15:20] <sjoshi> tomreyn: not a problem, thanks for the help
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> gofio_: It's confusing because you jump topics, and do not provided detailed explanations of what you are trying to do. When someone asks you where or why you are doing something, you respond with I read it on a link posted here. This channel is visited by thousands of people, no one here keeps track of something that was said 5 minutes ago. It is up to you to make sure you are as specific and detailed as possible to avoid
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> confusion from those that are trying to help you. It is all on you to be help us as much as you can so we can help you.
[15:21] <fryfrog> blackflow: https://snapcraft.io/sonarr / https://github.com/albertodonato/sonarr-snap
[15:22] <fryfrog> blackflow: https://github.com/albertodonato/sonarr-snap/issues/2
[15:22] <sjoshi> tomreyn: rebooting.. lets see what happens
[15:22] <sjoshi> exit
[15:24] <fryfrog> blackflow: OerHeks: Or maybe it runs as `root` because their directions are saying to use `sudo` to install and run it?
[15:24] <fryfrog> (I'm a concerned support person, I don't use snap or ubuntu personally)
[15:26] <blackflow> fryfrog: no that has nothing to do with it. I don't know if the assertion in that issue is true or not, or whether that's user namespaced "root" (that in effect is not UID 0). It  wouldn't make sense if it did, due to capabilities
[15:26] <sjoshi> tomreyn: uname -a, shows thr right kernel
[15:26] <sjoshi> :)
[15:27] <fryfrog> blackflow: https://github.com/albertodonato/sonarr-snap/blob/master/snap/snapcraft.yaml their yaml file doesn't mention root, I don't see anything else involved in snap
[15:28] <fryfrog> blackflow: I'm trying to understand why they're suggesting that `root` own the external files involved :/
[15:28] <gofio_> following all the process to upgrade from ubuntu 17.10 to 18.04 this is not happening: "Update Manager will open up and tell you that a new distribution is available" sorry but can't be more precise than that pragmaticenigma, there is no such a message when I open the "software updater" for the last time (and by the way I'm doing it in spanish)
[15:28] <hggdh> fryfrog: #snappy is where most of the snap devs congregate
[15:28] <fryfrog> hggdh: thanks!
[15:28] <tomreyn> sjoshi: good, and does the issue you tried to work around using the mainline kernel still prevail?
[15:29] <sjoshi> tomreyn: I have to check that, ideally it shoule be fixed in the new kernel
[15:29] <cfhowlett> gofio_, are you trying to get disco?
[15:29] <gofio_> what u mean by disco cfhowlett ?
[15:29] <cfhowlett> disco dingo 19.04
[15:29] <gofio_> not cfhowlett just ubuntu 18.04
[15:29] <gofio_> from ubuntu 17.10
[15:30] <nacc> gofio_: 17.10 is eol, did you follow the eol upgrade?
[15:30] <nacc> !eolupgrade | gofio_
[15:30] <gofio_> what a 6 months of difference by the way
[15:30] <cfhowlett> then you should be doing the EOL method
[15:30] <sjoshi> tomreyn: yeah bluetooth also seems to be working :)
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> gofio_: to put this simply, you are trying to upgrade a version of Ubuntu that lost support years ago. You spent 5 days trying to install an old version of Ubuntu when your first clue to stop was when it failed to install because it was trying to download the updates on install. I'm not interestd in holding your hand through the whole process for another 5 days.... Go download the 18.04 image from ubuntu.com... but it on your
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> installer drive, and install it just like you did the last attempt. When you have 18.04 on there... we can help
[15:30] <sjoshi> Happy Ubuntu 19.04
[15:30] <sjoshi> thank tomreyn !! Appreciate all the help!
[15:30] <gofio_> I'm doing it as we speak nacc
[15:31] <gofio_> that must be support then pragmaticenigma
[15:31] <tomreyn> sjoshi: if it turns out to be fixed, you should remove all the old kernel images you still have. the ones with 'ii' are still installed. those with 'rc' still have files left.   run "sudo apt purge" on either.
[15:31] <nacc> gofio_: sorry? there is no popup or anything for the eol method
[15:31] <sjoshi> tomreyn:  can i have one command that does the magic? leaving the latest kernel
[15:32] <gofio_> so we are in april 2019 and from october 2017 have been years already pragmaticenigma, interesting
[15:32] <sjoshi> tomreyn: I think I can do it, leave it me :)
[15:32] <tomreyn> sjoshi: check the list of packages it will remove before you confirm the prompt:   sudo apt purge 'linux-.*-4.*'
[15:32] <nacc> gofio_: i can't parse that last sentence?
[15:33] <sjoshi> tomreyn: that was a quick one
[15:33] <sjoshi> I can remove all that starts with 4
[15:34] <sjoshi> I am checking the current kernel should not be in the list :)
[15:34] <nacc> tomreyn: don't have context, but does autoremove not work in this user's case?
[15:34] <tomreyn> sjoshi: anything that pertains to a linux version of 4.x needs to go
[15:34] <sjoshi> tomreyn:Agree!
[15:34] <sjoshi> Hit "Y" Done
[15:34] <sjoshi> 45 things to be removed
[15:34] <tomreyn> nacc: no, the kernel images are set to manually installed, since there was no tracking package
[15:35] <sjoshi> 1.5GB of old images
[15:35] <gofio_> I was reading the link u have provided nacc and pasted a line here but then that link is not ok, so, well, yeah, very supportive everything
[15:35] <nacc> tomreyn: ah ok, sorry for the noise
[15:35] <nacc> gofio_: what? what line did you paste?
[15:35] <tomreyn> nacc: thanks for checking, i could easily have forgotten
[15:35] <tomreyn> sjoshi: ok, sounds fine.
[15:36] <gofio_> "To begin the upgrade, make sure you have a sources.list like the following" that one nacc
[15:36] <nacc> gofio_: ok, so yours does look like that?
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> nacc: They don't know where to find it... documentation doesn't have the path
[15:37] <nacc> gofio_: the path is /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:37] <gofio_> I was asking hot to get that sources.list, but if having to argue is the support concept, well, yeap, gonna have to agree on disagree
[15:37] <gofio_> thanks nacc, now that is what I undertand by support
[15:37] <gofio_> understand
[15:38] <noregret> i'm on 18.04, is it a bad idea to use the 18.10 repo just to install latest samba? i need a 4.8+ version, 18.04 only has 4.7
[15:38] <nacc> noregret: yes, that's a bad idea.
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> !mix | noregret
[15:38] <cfhowlett> noregret, mixing repos leads to heart and system break
[15:38] <nacc> noregret: do you need a specific feature from 4.8?
[15:38] <noregret> nacc: any other recommendations?
[15:39] <noregret> nacc: yeah, there a new feature that works with macos time machine
[15:39] <pragmaticenigma> !latest | noregret
[15:39] <nacc> noregret: note that bugfixes, in particular, do get backported to older versions and the upstream versio does not change
[15:39] <nacc> noregret: can you upgrade? / do you want to?
[15:39] <noregret> nacc: understood, i'm more looking into new features
[15:39] <noregret> nacc: to 18.10 ?
[15:39] <tomreyn> sjoshi: i suggest you read and run this when you're done there, to clean up more: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages
[15:40] <nacc> noregret: i'd suggest to 19.04, since 18.10 goes eol in a few months
[15:40] <noregret> nacc: well, i'm running the server version, isn't LTS recommended for those?
[15:40] <nacc> noregret: (non-LTS are only supported for 9 months)
[15:40] <nacc> noregret: LTS is unrelated to server/desktop IMO.
[15:40] <gofio_> is it just /etc/apt/sources.list like that in the terminal? either with sudo or not it says it doesn't find it (I'm running in spanish, so don't know what the exact translation is, but if that makes sense to u "sudo: /etc/apt/sources.list: orden no encontrada"
[15:40] <cfhowlett> noregret depends on your use case ...
[15:40] <nacc> gofio_: it's a file.
[15:40] <noregret> nacc: oh cool, didn't know 19.04 was out. I set up this system a couple of months ago
[15:41] <gofio_> how do I find that file nacc ?
[15:41] <noregret> and grabbed the latest vrsion at the time
[15:41] <nacc> gofio_: the file path was given to you just now. By me. Do you not know how to open files?
[15:41] <cfhowlett> gofio_, gedit /etc/apt/sources.list will get you to the editor so you can read.  sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list will allow you to make system changes.
[15:42] <tomreyn> noregret: it'd be a two step upgrade anyways, and 19.04 is not LTS.
[15:42] <noregret> tomreyn: yeah, just looked it up
[15:42] <gofio_> well I guess not nacc, pasted you the answer I got from the terminal but missed to tag u maybe u missed it, it's just few lines above, or I can paste it back
[15:42] <gofio_> great thanks cfhowlett!
[15:42] <ioria> noregret, you can have 4.9 from ppa or from git (if you really need it)
[15:42] <kadiro> cfhowlett, sudo with gui app can change permission to the home directory, using sudo -H is the safest way
[15:43] <nacc> gofio_: honestly, if you don't know how to open files on your system, I think doing an EOL upgrade is going to painful (IMO). I think you are better off reinstalling an LTS release.
[15:43] <noregret> is there a new 19.04 LTS coming soon?
[15:43] <cfhowlett>  ... ah.  thank you for the reminder.
[15:43] <kadiro> no problem
[15:43] <nacc> noregret: no, 19.04 is not an lts.
[15:43] <noregret> I always thought .04 were always LTS and .10 was not
[15:43] <nacc> noregret: 20.04 will be the next lts (every two years)
[15:43] <gofio_> that's how I learn I guess nacc :-) but thanks for ur concerns :-)
[15:43] <cfhowlett> noregret, 18.04 is current LTS.  next one in 2 years i.e. 20.04
[15:44] <noregret> I see
[15:44] <ioria> noregret, nope, it just mean Aprile
[15:44] <noregret> oh got it
[15:44] <re> wehhheee
[15:44] <noregret> and when will packages get updated on LTS? updates as in new versions, not bug fixes, e.g. samba in this case
[15:45] <nacc> noregret: not necessarily ever.
[15:45] <CookieM> noregret, documentation or Wikipedia articles are a good start to get some knowledge about a distro you’re planning to use
[15:45] <nacc> noregret: that's not what a distribution is for, particularly not a LTS which is focused on stability instead of new features.
[15:45] <noregret> nacc: hmm, what if someone is looking to use new features in some packages
[15:45] <noregret> I see
[15:46] <cfhowlett> noregret, if someone truly needs bleeding edge features, they can compile from source.  not for the easily distracted or frightened.
[15:46] <noregret> nacc: I moved to ubuntu server after being on arch for a while, did not expect there will such difference in packages age. arch was up to date on almost everything
[15:46] <nacc> noregret: then they need to build it themselves, or use PPA, etc.
[15:47] <nacc> noregret: arch has a rolling model, ubuntu does not
[15:47] <nacc> noregret: also probably you were using AUR
[15:47] <noregret> right
[15:47] <noregret> yep, for some things
[15:48] <pragmaticenigma> noregret: If you need the to keep up with some of the latest features of a package your options are to upgrade to the latest normal release, find a PPA that provides the updated packages you seek (not supported here and at your own risk), compile it from source (again not supported here and at your own risk)
[15:48] <noregret> in case I want to build the latest version, will removing the current packages using apt remove suffice? should I take care of each dependcy?
[15:49] <noregret> pragmaticenigma: where can I find PPAs? is there a known source?
[15:49] <pragmaticenigma> noregret: use apt to uninstall, then use "apt autoremove" which will remove any packages not required
[15:49] <noregret> cool, got it
[15:49] <cfhowlett> noregret, or see if there's a snap or flatpack for the app.
[15:50] <pragmaticenigma> cfhowlett: snaps for a system service like samba aren't going to achieve what they're after
[15:50] <noregret> I have no idea what those are
[15:51] <pragmaticenigma> noregret: A topic for another time
[15:51] <cfhowlett> I seem to have missed that critical details, pragmaticenigma.
[15:51]  * cfhowlett goes back to lurk mode
[15:51] <pragmaticenigma> noregret: There is a ppa, but it appears to be bleeding edge nightly builds... so it's very much at your own risk.
[15:51] <gofio_> following the steps nacc now I'm stuck into this: "(software-properties-gtk:12262): Gtk-WARNING **: Allocating size to GtkWindow 0x215c540 without calling gtk_widget_get_preferred_width/height(). How does the code know the size to allocate?"
[15:51] <pragmaticenigma> https://launchpad.net/~samba-team/
[15:52] <nacc> gofio_: ? what step is that from? there is no GUI step on that wiki page.
[15:52] <gofio_> so how does the code know the size to allocate? or maybe it's better I just move to linux channel isn't nacc
[15:53] <pragmaticenigma> nacc: they're running gedit with sudo from the cli
[15:53] <gofio_> I'm following both links nacc on the upgrade the one u gave me, and somebody else earlier on, and the "official" one
[15:53] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: that message is from software-properties-gtk
[15:54] <nacc> gofio_: there is only one link.
[15:54] <nacc> gofio_: that applies to your case, which is an EOL upgrade.
[15:54] <nacc> gofio_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[15:54] <gofio_> it seems not nacc, but again, not here to argue :-)
[15:54] <nacc> gofio_: also, that is just a diagnostic message and has nothing to do with anything.
[15:54] <nacc> gofio_: you didn't read the FAQ answer from the bot?
[15:54] <noregret> pragmaticenigma: thanks, but I see this hasn't been updated for around 7 years
[15:55] <cfhowlett> gofio_, I might have missed it, but is there a specific problem preventing you from directly installing 18.04 rather than doing the EOL upgrade?
[15:55] <gofio_> I've also been given this link nacc https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-upgrading-ubuntu-desktop#2 which is not the same that u gave me. They both seem to be "the only one", how quantic uh
[15:56] <gofio_> I guess is the set up cfhowlett ? or whatever the name given
[15:56] <nacc> gofio_: that link is for upgrading. Not EOL upgrading.
[15:56] <nacc> gofio_: so please stop. and listen to the following (as in, read it):
[15:56] <nacc> !eolupgrade | gofio_
[15:57] <nacc> gofio_: the last sentence thereof.
[15:58] <cfhowlett> gofio_, you also have the (easier?) option of clean installing.  download the ubuntu .iso, make a bootable USB, reboot to the USB and install.
[16:02] <gofio_> thanks cfhowlett :-)
[16:02] <cfhowlett> best of luck, gofio_!
[16:03] <gofio_> thanks cfhowlett
[16:06] <ioria> noregret, this : https://launchpad.net/~linux-schools/+archive/ubuntu/samba-latest
[16:08] <ioria> noregret, but personally i'd run cosmic or disco in a container (or kvm)
[16:12] <noregret> cosmic or disco? what?
[16:12] <ioria> something above 4.7 ; maybe better disco (more support)
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> noregret: ubuntu 18.10 and 19.04 respectively
[16:13] <noregret> ohh yeah sorry, I don't remember codenames :)
[16:28] <donofrio_> where is the little endin version of https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/115753/en-us ?or is it the big endin that was dropped?
[16:30] <leftyfb> donofrio_: That is a question for Nvidia. Not Ubuntu
[16:30] <donofrio_> k
[16:37] <wuno> hello
[16:43] <sere_> My two 5tb freeze up after a few minutes of watching a movie or download and this is my dmesg output.. any ideas?
[16:43] <sere_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3ngCWxb3nz/
[16:45] <ioria> sere_, that output is not very useful; try journalctl
[16:47] <sere_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8DSJRgqZS4/
[16:48] <sere_> i used journalctl -b | grep sdb command
[16:49] <lordcirth_> sere_, is it partitioned with GPT?
[16:49] <sere_> lordcirth_: im not sure
[16:50] <ioria> sere_,  maybe show the layout  (sudo parted -ls)
[16:51] <tatertots> sere_: and what do you do after it freezes?
[16:52] <sere_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Kf2vVdBRNJ/
[16:52] <SimonNL> turn heat up
[16:52] <tatertots> lol
[16:52] <lordcirth_> sere_, Oh, it's a WD My Book. That's probably the problem
[16:53] <sere_> tatertots: just wait. right now its actually working but if I try to do something in nautilus or transmission it will lock up
[16:53] <lordcirth_> sere_, parted doesn't show a filesystem, and the My Book is known to do non-standard things
[16:53] <sere_> lordcirth_: yea not to happy with them :(
[16:54] <sere_> lordcirth_: what does that mean?
[16:55] <lordcirth_> The My Book isn't an external drive; it's a mini computer that does unknown "helpful" things and pretends to be a normal hard drive.
[16:56] <lordcirth_> sere_, what filesystem is it partitioned with?
[16:56] <lordcirth_> Did you ever reformat it yourself?
[16:57] <sere_> lordcirth_: exfat, yes I reformat when I first got it. I use this in fstab to mount it. UUID=4264-E77F 	/media/external 	exfat	defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000  0  2
[16:57] <ioria> with windows stuff, i guess
[16:57] <lordcirth_> Why reformat it exfat? Did you need it to work with Windows?
[16:58] <sere_> lordcirth_: yes I dual boot for gaming
[16:58] <ioria> sere_, and there's a reason why you can't make some smaller partitions ?
[16:58] <ioria> or use ntfs
[16:58] <lordcirth_> NTFS might have worked better for that
[16:58] <sere_> ioria: I might have used a windows program to partition it. I remember downloading one but not sure if i actaully use it.. it was along time ago
[16:59] <ioria> sere_,  i suggest Gparted with ntfs
[17:00] <ioria> sere_, and make smaller partitions (if you can)
[17:00] <sere_> I use exfat for the no max file size limit
[17:00] <sere_> It was NTFS initially when I got it
[17:01] <lordcirth_> sere_, exfat and NTFS both have limits, but they are so high you will not hit them.
[17:02] <sere_> lordcirth_: I thought exfat doesnt have one and NTFS has a 4gig. some movie files are mover than 4gig 2160 resolution etc.
[17:03] <lordcirth_> sere_, no, FAT32 is 4GiB. NTFS, while not a wonderful filesystem, is the default filesystem for Windows and isn't terrible.
[17:03] <sere_> lordcirth_: ahh so I formatted for no reasom :/
[17:05] <cryptodan> exfat can store greater then 4gig file size sere_ and lordcirth_
[17:06] <lordcirth_> cryptodan, yes, we know.
[17:07] <sere_> im wondering if I use extfat-fuse if it will be any different
[17:07] <lordcirth_> All filesystems have finite size limits, due to using a fixed number of bits to address data. But most modern ones are "sufficiently high"
[17:07] <cryptodan> exfat is particularly useful on external devices like drives and usb's
[17:10] <sere_> brb going restart
[17:22] <sere_> I thought videos was freezing the drive but its just transmission when I start downloading it locks up and then freezes the video im watch.. it starts download then locks up at 0kb and wont go any higher
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> sere_: did you set download folder directly to your wd book?
[17:23] <sere_> lotuspsychje, to a folder in the drive
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> sere_: i would really not reccomend that
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> sere_: save your data on internal hd first, then drop to external
[17:24] <sere_> lotuspsychje, I have done it this way for years. is it bad for the drive or something
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> sere_: if you watch & download at same time thats asking for trouble
[17:25] <sere_> lotuspsychje, oh ok I see
[17:27] <sere_> lotuspsychje, download to the internal drive is working just fine right now
[17:28] <ioria> sere_, i don't  understand why/how  transmission  freezes your video
[17:29] <OerHeks> watching a video you are downloading with transmission?
[17:29] <OerHeks> cool
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:30] <sere_> ioria: my guess is transfer rate / download is to fast for the hd. there is a problem somewhere because It shouldnt be an issue
[17:31] <sere_> OerHeks: no however I did try that once.
[17:33] <sere_> im downloading at 4-5 MB per second right now.
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> sere_: how many transfersat same time?
[17:34] <sere_> lotuspsychje, just one, with around 30 peers out of 50
[17:34] <lordcirth_> sere_, iostat -x 1
[17:38] <Sven_vB> on a xenial notebook, when I navigate the GRUB menu with cursor keys up/down, the visible part of highlight only updates on every 2nd key stroke. the internal selection works as expected though. however, it took me quite some time to figure out the 2nd part; until then, I was thinking I'd be unable to select odd-numbered menu items. even later I found out I can visually select them if I first press the up key while the topmost entry is
[17:38] <Sven_vB> selected; then the visial selection can target any odd-numbered entry. what's going on?
[17:39] <lordcirth_> Sven_vB, well that's odd. BIOS or EFI?
[17:39] <sere_> iostat : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z6s2cZCgQR/
[17:39] <Sven_vB> not sure, will try to check as soon as keyboard is enabled again. (that's another issue, but hopefully a kernel update will fix the delay)
[17:40] <lordcirth_> sere_, was that while you were downloading?
[17:40] <sere_> lordcirth now
[17:40] <sere_> no
[17:40] <sere_> will try that now
[17:40] <lordcirth_> Well that's not very useful, then. Do it again once transmission is running
[17:40] <sere_> k
[17:41] <lordcirth_> copy a few outputs in a row
[17:42] <max12345> hey, my apt-get update gets stuck at connecting to security.ubuntu.com, any idea why?
[17:44] <Sven_vB> max12345, probably network issues. try `host security.ubuntu.com` to check if DNS works, and if so `netcat -vvvvv security.ubuntu.com 80` to check TCP
[17:44] <Mead> can you ping the url?
[17:44] <max12345> Mead: yes
[17:44] <max12345> Sven_vB: the host thing works, the netcat thing is stuck too
[17:45] <sere_> iostat: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Zc8fWhJJfK/
[17:45] <max12345> or at least not returning somehting instantaeneously.
[17:45] <Sven_vB> max12345, try netcat with the IP from one of the A records instead of the hostname
[17:45] <sere_> lordcirth_: I can copy a 2gb file to the drive just fine
[17:46] <max12345> Sven_vB: that succeeded. now what?
[17:46] <Sven_vB> I once had a similar problem (slow DNS resolution) because some gnu abstraction thingy had waited for avahi
[17:46] <lordcirth_> sere_, /dev/sdb is running at 100% trying to keep up with the random writes from transmission.
[17:47] <Sven_vB> max12345, you could try adding that IP to your /etc/hosts, maybe that will circumvent the slow lookup.
[17:49] <Sven_vB> max12345, that would be just a stopgap though, to then debug the real problem
[17:50] <noregret> should I be worried about a "[sdb] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16)" message? this is an ext4 10tb hdd. It mounts and works fine
[17:51] <sere_> lordcirth_: oh ok I see. its also at 100% while copying files from the local sdd to the external aswell
[17:51] <lordcirth_> sere_, yeah. So it's simply a matter of hardware speed.
[17:51] <Sven_vB> noregret, probably depends on what the next messages say. the one above is just an announcement of what's gonna be tried next.
[17:53] <nokiomanz> Hi all, Question about screen resolution. I have a mini desktop connected to my 4k TV. I set my xubuntu to 1080p. But when I close the television and open it for instance the next day or a few hours later. The desktop switch to 4k resolution. How to make it stick to 1080p?
[17:53] <noregret> Sven_vB: https://bpaste.net/show/d8298c346d99
[17:54] <sere_> lordcirth_: its not an issue in windows and it was not always like this. Last night i downloaded a 20gb file will no issue.  Do you think something is causeing it to lock up.
[17:54] <lordcirth_> sere_, perhaps windows uses different priorities by default. You could set transmission's priority with 'ionice'.
[17:55] <sere_> lordcirth_: playing a video with vlc is only 4-8%  and a local to external copy shoots it back up to 100%
[17:55] <lordcirth_> sere_, well yes, vlc will only read as fast as you watch
[17:56] <Sven_vB> noregret, indeed it seems a bit strange that the message repeats, but at least https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/150699 claims the message is not in itself any indication of failure.
[17:57] <sere_> lordcirth_: oh ok. Well I sure do appreciate your help. Im going to see what I can pull up and try to trouble shoot with the info I have now
[17:58] <Sven_vB> noregret, the reply in http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0707.3/index.html#0996 says the wording is meant to convey that fix or other action is required on the user's side.
[17:58] <Sven_vB> err, _no_ fix is required
[17:59] <bhn> hey everyone! my 18.04 freezes without delay once it hits the login screen. from what i gather this is linked to nvidia graphics driver issues, and i did update those drivers before it malfunctioned. where would i look and what would i look for to verify that this is the cause of the freeze?
[18:00] <noregret> got it, thanks
[18:00] <lordcirth_> bhn, what graphics card, nvidia driver version, and where / how did you install it from?
[18:00] <Sven_vB> yw
[18:02] <Sven_vB> lordcirth_, about BIOS/UEFI: did you mean which version of GRUB I use, or which mode my BIOS is set to prefer?
[18:02] <lordcirth_> Sven_vB, how your motherboard is booting.
[18:02] <sere_> lordcirth_: you know I have both drive hooked up to a 6in1card reader with 3 usb slots.. Im going to try local usb port
[18:02] <sere_> brb
[18:02] <lordcirth_> Sven_vB, If you were using the wrong grub, it wouldn't boot at all
[18:03] <Sven_vB> lordcirth_, then I'll check the GRUB version
[18:04] <bhn> lordcirth_, Intel onboard, dedicated 840M, actual driver version i dont recall but some 418 variant. First I used ubuntu-drivers autoinstall from ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa to get the latest one, then during the CUDA installation via runfile it suggested i update again and the runfile downloaded another driver, but presumably just a newer variant of the 418
[18:04] <lordcirth_> bhn, nvidia's .run versions of drivers usually aren't a good idea
[18:06] <OerHeks> 840m, just use the 340
[18:07] <bhn> OerHeks, i need a newer driver for working with recent CUDA versions though
[18:07] <Sven_vB> lordcirth_, grub-efi is not installed, grub-pc is installed.
[18:08] <lordcirth_> Sven_vB, and /sys/firmware/efi/ exists?
[18:09] <lordcirth_> It shouldn't.
[18:09] <Sven_vB> will check when it's rebooted
[18:09] <Sven_vB> I disabled the background graphic but that didn't fix it.
[18:13] <SwedeMike>  /win 390
[18:13] <SwedeMike> oops
[18:13] <Sven_vB> lordcirth_, no such directory
[18:15] <bhn> lordcirth_, so as long as i stick to driver versions from the graphic-drivers repository it should work in the future?
[18:15] <lordcirth_> bhn, it should, but no promises
[18:20] <bhn> lordcirth_, do you have advice to keep the system stable in this situation? CUDA will continue to be a requirement, so not installing the nvidia drivers is not possible. all workarounds require at least the driver be present
[18:20] <lordcirth_> bhn, can't you just tell the CUDA installer *not* to stomp your drivers?
[18:22] <bhn> lordcirth_, yes i will stick to the ubuntu-stable drivers in case CUDA brings that up again. I thought it would be an issue regardless of the driver though, or isnt it? I read multi-gpu systems with nvidia cards have recurring problems like these
[18:26] <lordcirth_> bhn, multi-gpu is problematic, yes, but as I don't own one, I can't really help with that.
[18:27] <bhn> lordcirth_, alright, thank you for your help!
[18:28] <lordcirth_> np
[18:29] <tomreyn> .run files are usually just self-extracting archives. you can probably extract it and use LD_PRELOAD to make sure they are used where you extracted them to)
[18:30] <Daemonick> where to place a topic about pimp my ubuntu?
[18:30] <tomreyn> actually there is a cuda apt repository, so no need to use the .run
[18:30] <tomreyn> Daemonick: -offtopic
[18:31] <Daemonick> ok tomreyn
[18:31] <OerHeks> ubuntu-forums, i guess
[18:31] <Daemonick> c ya
[18:31] <bhn> tomreyn, i tried installing cuda before and clogged up my apt with some broken package dependencies from CUDA 10.1. After resolving that I tried the .run file, but next time i will probably go with the the 10.0 repo
[18:32] <tomreyn> bhn: good luck, i hve no first hand experience on either.
[18:32] <bhn> tomreyn, thanks
[18:33] <OerHeks> make sure you have GCC 7.3.0 and GLIBC 2.27 -- https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-installation-guide-linux/index.html
[18:34] <bhn> OerHeks, those dependencies come with 18.04 i think, they were already met. the issue was with a broken cuda dependency that had a pipe error during installation
[18:35] <OerHeks> this post confirms a working 4.10 https://askubuntu.com/questions/1129483/install-nvidia-drivers-with-cuda-10-0-ubuntu-18-04-and-tensorflow-gpu-1-13
[18:40] <bhn> OerHeks, are you suggesting i stick with cuda 10.0 with 410 drivers?
[18:41] <OerHeks> bhn, yes, that 840 is not that new, so i guess it is the best driver
[18:42] <bhn> OerHeks, specifically installing 410 and putting it on hold is required then right?
[18:42] <OerHeks> not sure about that, it is the 1sst time i encounter that, really
[18:43] <bhn> OerHeks, alright, i will figure it out. thanks!
[19:14] <dsynapse> hi
[19:15] <Piraty> is kubuntu 19.04 usable?
[19:15] <Piraty> a machine i need to take care of in a few days runs on 18.10.
[19:15] <leftyfb> Piraty: 19.04 was released last week
[19:15] <Piraty> i know
[19:16] <leftyfb> Piraty: If you want opinions, go to #ubuntu-offtopic. This is a support channel
[19:16] <Piraty> apt dist-upgrade as used in debian is not what is suitable in ubuntu, right? or is the process the same
[19:16] <dsynapse> I updated to Kubuntu 19.04...it works...i haven't done an exhaustive test.  Issue I had was VMware workstation 15 isn't compatible w/kernel 5.0 so I'm booting 4.18 I think?
[19:16] <Piraty> oh they ship kernel 5.0 ? interesting
[19:16] <leftyfb> !upgrade | Piraty
[19:16] <Piraty> thanks leftyfb
[19:21] <sere_> is 50 .c temperature high for an external drive.
[19:22] <leftyfb> sere_: try #hardware
[19:22] <OerHeks> sere_, no, but check the specs of the vendor
[19:36] <mspehar> hey all, i have an issue with 19.04 under wayland -> display resolution is not properly recognized
[19:36] <mspehar> i have two hidpi monitors connected via displayport
[19:36] <mspehar> graphics card is rx580
[19:36] <mspehar> vanilla gnome installed
[19:36] <mspehar> any tips?
[19:37] <mspehar> not vanilla gnome, but rather vanilla ubuntu.
[19:48] <Linkandzelda> hello. ive got ubuntu 18.04 connected to my router and configured with a static ip and nameservers as router, however my dnsmasq hostnames are not resolving in ubuntu (they resolve fine in arch). how i can fix this?
[19:50] <whislock> Did you configure the search domain to match the domain that dnsmasq is serving results for?
[19:51] <Linkandzelda> whislock: im not sure. in arch i just do "ping media-server" and it works. in ubuntu i get "ping: media-server: Temporary failure in name resolution"
[19:51] <Linkandzelda> all other outside domains work fine, google etc
[19:59] <nokiomanz> Hi, I have a desktop connected to my 4K TV via HDMI as my main monitor. I set the desktop to 1080p. But upon opening the Television it is as if the display is "redetected" and resolution is set to 4k. What can I do to make it stick to 1080p?
[20:04] <GreyXor> Hello, ubuntu will upgrade zfs  zfs-0.7.13 soon ? i need this version
[20:05] <OerHeks> GreyXor, not sure what the .13 patch is, maybe already backported in disco https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux
[20:06] <GreyXor> OerHeks, i don't understand why disco don't have 0.7.13 because 0.7.13 is the only version compatible with Linux 5.0 and disco is Linux 5.0
[20:07] <OerHeks>  0.7.12-1ubuntu5, not sure it has that update backported, hence the own numbering
[20:07] <OerHeks> and it works with kernel 5.0.x that disco uses..
[20:07] <qwebirc67694> hi
[20:08] <qwebirc67694> is there a guide to uninstall amdgpu pro drivers? I have uninstalled it and my lightdm cannot load unity after that
[20:08] <qwebirc67694> I have spent 4 hours on this and still no solution
[20:10] <acresearch> people i am having this problem      error while loading shared libraries: libsqlite3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory       i tried sudo apt-get install --reinstall libsqlite3-0   but it did not work   can someone help me?
[20:14] <hggdh> acresearch: libsqlite3.so is provided by the libsqlite3-dev package, *NOT* libsqlite3-0
[20:14] <acresearch> hggdh: ahhh
[20:14] <hggdh> (it is actually a simlink)
[20:14] <hggdh> *symlink
[20:15] <acresearch> hggdh: its working now    thanks :-)
[20:15] <hggdh> acresearch: yw
[20:21] <dave_uy> On 16.04 I'm getting a package issue with `apt upgrade` iw:i386 : Depends: libnl-3-200:i386 (>= 3.2.7) but it is not installed
[20:21] <dave_uy> Is anyone else seeing this?
[20:22] <streulma> hello, on Ubuntu on my Mac Pro 2006, everything with kernel 5.0 ie, Ubuntu 19.04 or 18.04 LTS with 5.0 kernel, is slow, even LXDE is slow performance and great lag on mouse and window drag.
[20:24] <OerHeks> !info  libnl-3-200 xenial
[20:25] <OerHeks> dave_uy, apt install -f # perhaps?
[20:26] <dave_uy> OerHeks: Is that a good idea? Should I report an issue first?
[20:26] <OerHeks> if install -f fixes this, no need to file a bugreport
[20:35] <lordcirth_> streulma, what other kernels have you tried?
[20:36] <streulma> lordcirth_ Ubuntu 18.04.2 with 4.15 or 4.18 kernel is running fine, with 5.0 kernel is a mesh
[20:37] <dave_uy> I tried `-f` but got this message next. dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libnl-3-200_3.2.27-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite shared '/etc/libnl-3/pktloc', which is different from other instances of package libnl-3-200:i386
[20:38] <OerHeks> 5.0 is not meant for 18.04, you used an unsupported kernel
[20:39] <streulma> OerHeks and Ubuntu 19.04 with 5.0 kernel is also slow
[20:39] <lordcirth_> OerHeks, but 19.04 is supported with 5.0
[20:40] <OerHeks> y
[20:40] <lordcirth_> streulma, any errors in dmesg?
[20:40] <streulma> lordcirth_ no, I checked
[20:41] <streulma> maybe slow graphics, Nvidia GTX285 with 2GB ram
[20:42] <dave_uy> How should I go about resolving the dkpg error on the 16.04 instance? Should I report an issue?
[20:43] <streulma> dave_uy sudo apt -y clean && sudo apt -y autoclean && sudo apt -y autoremove && sudo apt update && sudo apt -y full-upgrade
[20:43] <OerHeks> dave_uy, yes, i think you can, now. i hope you have no external repos/ppa's installed?
[20:43] <lordcirth_> streulma, "sudo cpupower frequency-info | nc termbin.com 9999" please
[20:44] <lordcirth_> While running 5.0, that is
[20:47] <dave_uy> OerHeks: I have no external repos or ppa installed.
[20:48] <streulma> dave_uy did you try my command ?
[20:49] <dave_uy> streulma: Yes, failed on `apt clean` with first error I encountered. iw:i386 : Depends: libnl-3-200:i386 (>= 3.2.7) but it is not installed
[20:49] <OerHeks> weird, is your system in read only mode? mount # would tell
[20:50] <dave_uy> Sorry, it failed on autoremove
[20:50] <xerxeslins> Hello! How can i enable dynamic transparent panel on Ubuntu 19.04?
[20:50] <streulma> !info iw:i386
[20:50] <streulma> !info iw
[20:50] <streulma> dave_uy sudo apt -y remove iw:386 && sudo apt -y full-upgrade
[20:51] <dave_uy> I also get crda:i386 : Depends: libnl-3-200:i386 (>= 3.2.7) but it is not installed and libnl-genl-3-200:i386 : Depends: libnl-3-200:i386 (= 3.2.27-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) but it is not installed
[20:51] <dave_uy> Not sure if those packages are important. I am on a Vultr.com host too.
[20:52] <streulma> dave_uy I think iw:386 is the main package of all
[20:52] <dave_uy> I'll give it a try.
[20:53] <dave_uy> E: Unable to locate package iw:386
[20:54] <OerHeks> missing i > :i386
[20:54] <OerHeks> typo
[20:54] <streulma> yes dave_uy sudo apt -y remove iw:i386 && sudo apt -y full-upgrade
[20:55] <dave_uy> crda:i386 : Depends: libnl-3-200:i386 (>= 3.2.7) but it is not going to be installed Depends: iw:i386 (>= 3.2-1~)
[20:56] <streulma> dave_uy sudo apt -y remove crda:i386 && sudo apt -y full-upgrade
[20:57] <dave_uy> linux-modules-extra-4.4.0-146-generic : Depends: crda or wireless-crda but it is not going to be installed
[20:59] <streulma> OerHeks at dave_uy what now? Can he remove linux kernel? Or just do uname -a and see whats the running one?
[21:00] <dave_uy> I don't know. I suspect a packaging issue somewhere.
[21:01] <dave_uy> 4 or 5 other hosts I have on Vultr also have this issue.
[21:07] <OerHeks> dave_uy, what mirror are you using?
[21:08] <OerHeks> streulma, this is my last resort, i have no clue.. changing mirror to main
[21:09] <dave_uy> How do I check mirror?
[21:09] <Sven_vB> in another channel: "$PROGRAM runs installed things as nobody, so what's the real risk?" -> do we have an overview or sth.?
[21:10] <tomreyn> dave_uy: post the http addresses returned by:
[21:10] <Sven_vB> where "installed things" means random untrusted software
[21:10] <tomreyn> dave_uy: (1)  nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";)
[21:10] <tomreyn> dave_uy: (2)  sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[21:11] <tomreyn> dave_uy: (3)  ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:13] <dave_uy> I can tell you what is in my `sources.list`. I'm not sure if those are my mirrors.
[21:13] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: "nobody" doesn't have a shell, should not run anything in the first place.
[21:15] <Sven_vB> tomreyn, then I guess they mean it setuid()s or sth before execvp
[21:15] <tomreyn> dave_uy: the apt mirrors you retrive software (via apt) from are confiigured in (recursively) /etc/apt/sources.list*
[21:15] <dave_uy> https://termbin.com/oifb, https://termbin.com/fdqf, https://termbin.com/c6wm
[21:16] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: maybe, could be, or not. or something. send them here if they'd like support with their ubuntu system
[21:17] <Sven_vB> tomreyn, nah, I think they believe in their claim
[21:17] <Sven_vB> the question cited was most probably rhetorical
[21:18] <tomreyn> ah then it'd be OT here.
[21:18] <dave_uy> Let me know if you need anything else tomreyn. Maybe one of my unsupported packages is causing the issue.
[21:18] <tomreyn> dave_uy:    sudo apt-get -f install 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:19] <tomreyn> dave_uy: it doesn't seem so - at least on a quick glance
[21:19] <dave_uy> https://termbin.com/4cjk
[21:24] <tomreyn> dave_uy: ah sorry i forgot to have it answer yes
[21:25] <tomreyn> dave_uy:  sudo apt-get -fy install 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:25] <streulma> dave_uy sudo apt -y autoremove
[21:25] <dave_uy> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/4eao
[21:27] <streulma> dave_uy https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnl3/+bug/1619481 See Varun Garg post
[21:27] <tomreyn> dave_uy: sudo dpkg --purge libnl-3-200:i386
[21:27] <dave_uy> streulma: https://termbin.com/n4vmw
[21:28] <dave_uy> Ah, I see. Let me read through that issue.
[21:29] <dave_uy> Is purging libnl-3 a good idea? Will I still have network access?
[21:30] <tomreyn> dave_uy: your system is primarily an amd64 system. you should not depend on i386 packages for network access.
[21:30] <tomreyn> dave_uy: unless you have some very hacky driver configuration there?
[21:32] <dave_uy> Good point. I don't know for sure though. I'm on a Vultr.com host.
[21:32] <tomreyn> dave_uy: with a wireless connection?
[21:32] <dave_uy> No
[21:32] <dave_uy> Not that I'm aware of. :)
[21:33] <tomreyn> then you should not have those packages installed in the first place
[21:33] <tomreyn> not the i386 ones at least
[21:34] <tomreyn> dave_uy: what does this output?  dpkg --print-architecture
[21:34] <dave_uy> tomreyn: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove libnl-3-200:i386 which isn't installed
[21:34] <dave_uy> amd64
[21:34] <tomreyn> and this?  dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
[21:35] <dave_uy> i386
[21:35] <tomreyn> dave_uy: sudo apt purge crda:i386 iw:i386
[21:35] <tomreyn> dave_uy: sudo apt purge crda:i386 iw:i386 libnl-genl-3-200:i386
[21:36] <streulma> dave_uy I should see whats in the bug report, he solved it
[21:36] <tomreyn> this rather, but you can still do this later
[21:36] <dave_uy> https://termbin.com/4bdw
[21:36] <dave_uy> He moved the files causing the issue
[21:36] <dave_uy> Then moved them back
[21:37] <dave_uy> It is just one file for me. /etc/libnl-3/pktloc
[21:37] <dave_uy> But I am still concerned that I am getting this issue at all 3 years after this issue.
[21:40] <tomreyn> dave_uy: sudo dpkg --purge libnl-genl-3-200:i386
[21:41] <bray90820_> How would I disable the lock screen on ubuntu so I don't need to swipe up
[21:42] <dave_uy> Hold on. I am trying the solution from the issue. I'll try to purge libnl-genl on another host that has this issue.
[21:42] <tomreyn> bray90820_: you dont need to swipe it in the first place
[21:43] <bray90820_> tomreyn: Well with a mouse you do
[21:43] <tomreyn> bray90820_: how do you enter your password using the mouse?
[21:44] <tomreyn> just hit escape or just enter your password
[21:44] <dave_uy> tomreyn: I did exactly what was suggested in the issue by moving the two files and now `apt upgrade` works. The packages didn't install their own versions of those files so I'm not sure why they were concerned by them.
[21:44] <bray90820_> tomreyn: automatic login
[21:45] <sere_> whats the best way to format to NTFS on Western Digital external My Book 5TB drive
[21:45] <tomreyn> bray90820_: why do you need a lockscreen then?
[21:45] <sere_> it comes with software that can do it but was wondering if doing it in linux would be better
[21:46] <bray90820_> I don't but the lock screen still shows after the screen turns off i need to swipe up with the mouse
[21:46] <bray90820_> And I do have it turned off in privacy settings
[21:46] <bray90820_> tomreyn:
[21:46] <tomreyn> dave_uy: me neither. it sounds like you must have installed foreign packages+
[21:47] <tomreyn> dave_uy: you can run this to check https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages
[21:47] <OerHeks> bray90820_, disable lockscreen, ( the extention to disable swipe does not work, currently)  org.gnome.desktop.lockdown.disable-lock-screen
[21:47] <dave_uy> tomreyn: Not on purpose. :)  I provisioned the server with Ansible.
[21:48] <bray90820_> OerHeks: So there is no way to disable swipe?
[21:48] <OerHeks> nope, many ask for that feature, and not just ubuntu
[21:48] <bray90820_> Alright
[21:48] <bray90820_> Thanks
[21:51] <OerHeks> i would like to see auto unlock when yubikey inserted, also a drag
[21:51] <tomreyn> bray90820_you can turn off screen locking in privacy settings
[21:52] <bray90820_> tomreyn: I did that didn't work but it seems as if what i want can't currently be done
[21:52] <OerHeks> oh, for short, 'esc' might work for swipe with mouse
[21:52] <tomreyn> i see, i never tried this really, so noit sure
[21:53] <OerHeks> c/might work *as*
[21:53] <jcb2016> hello. how does hardware effect streaming in a broswer? or does hardware have anything to do with streaming?
[21:53] <bray90820_> Ehh
[21:54] <jcb2016> s/anything/nothing/
[21:54] <tomreyn> dave_uy: it could also be that one of those packages is just broken, lacks a divert
[21:55] <tomreyn> dave_uy: if you think it's fixed you should   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get --purge autoremove
[21:56] <OerHeks> jcb2016, ancient hardware like videocard , lots of reasons
[21:57] <tomreyn> !ot | jcb2016
[21:57] <OerHeks> tell us your hardware?
[21:58] <jcotton> >ancient
[21:58] <jcotton> *digs a GeForce 2 out*
[21:58] <dave_uy> tomreyn: Thank you. Those commands worked fine. `--purge autoremove` only removed linux-headers-4.4.0-143 linux-image-unsigned-4.4.0-143-generic linux-image-unsigned-4.4.0-145-generic linux-modules-4.4.0-143-generic
[21:59]  * OerHeks swaps with jcotton for ati 3xxx
[21:59] <tomreyn> dave_uy: you'Re welcome. did you consider running foreign_packages ?
[22:00] <jcb2016> OerHeks, this laptop i have came from a homeschool dosen't have specs on the bottom or top. i installed linux on it. i know it has a bcm43142 wireless and Radeon r3 graphics probably 4 gigs ram
[22:00] <dave_uy> tomreyn: I'll try it.
[22:01] <OerHeks> jcb2016, sounds capable of streaming.
[22:01] <jcb2016> OerHeks, the video in the browswer is choppy
[22:02] <tomreyn> dave_uy: since you provision the OS configuiration via ansible, may i suggest you also automate OS installation yourself (if that's possible in your environment). only this way can you be sure to have a proper, unmodified ubuntu installation. unfortunately, there are way too many hosters who modify ubuntu installation images and do you explain what they modify.
[22:04] <jcb2016> OerHeks, whats the best way to get specs from linux /proc/cpuinfo?
[22:04] <dave_uy> tomreyn: [ No available version in archive ] [ Newer than version in archive ]
[22:05] <xamithan> cat /proc/cpuinfo ?
[22:05] <dave_uy> tomreyn: I'll keep that in mind for future deployments. I just don't have the time to deploy my own Ubuntu ATM. Most of the time it works fine what they have on Vultr.com.
[22:08] <tomreyn> dave_uy: okay, the output suggests there's no such issue.
[22:24] <ga_sk8er_> im having issues booting into linux. it was taking too  long to boot so i  thought it was hung. i  powered it off before it fully  loaded.  now i  get (initramfs) ....how do i  get back  where i can  boot into linux
[22:25] <tomreyn> ga_sk8er_: it would have been better to come here before you force powered off this system. does this return anything?    echo $REASON
[22:26] <ga_sk8er_> no it doesnt say  anything
[22:26] <tomreyn> !sysrq | if your system every seem to be frozen / stuck again, use this: ga_sk8er_
[22:26] <tomreyn> ga_sk8er_: which ubuntu release is this?
[22:27] <tomreyn> alternatively press ctrl-alt-del to reboot and access the grub menu by  repeated hitting escape during early boot.
[22:27] <ga_sk8er_> 18.04
[22:28] <tomreyn> ga_sk8er_: there was most likely an error message printed before the system entered this shell - were you able to read it? can you try again (use ctrl-alt-del to reboot)?
[22:28] <ga_sk8er_> i tried the rebooting while pressing esc ....it still  showed the regular grub menu
[22:29] <tomreyn> the regular grub menu is what i meant
[22:29] <tomreyn> escape makes sure it is shown if it is not shown by default
[22:30] <tomreyn> which kernel versions are listed on the grub menu?
[22:30] <Bashing-om> ga_sk8er_: tomreyn : See what the boot parameter 'fsck.mode=force' produces ?
[22:30] <tomreyn> ga_sk8er_: (you may need to enter "Advanced")
[22:31] <ga_sk8er_> 2.02
[22:31] <tomreyn> that's the grub version
[22:31] <jcb2016> OerHeks, i changed the resolution on the player im sreaming to 360p normal speed and its not choppy anymore
[22:31] <bad63r> hello guys, I just realized that i miss every single man page on ubuntu 18.04
[22:31] <tomreyn> ga_sk8er_: enter "Advanced", this should list available kernel versions
[22:31] <bad63r> how is this posible?
[22:31] <bad63r> i didnt tinker any signle file in a while
[22:32] <tomreyn> ga_sk8er_: and once we have those, try what Bashing-om suggested
[22:32] <ga_sk8er_> 4.18.07
[22:32] <tomreyn> ga_sk8er_: i assume you mean 4.18.0-17 ?
[22:34] <ga_sk8er_> i installed linux a few days ago.  for some reason it made 2 .... 4.18.0-17 and also 4.18.0-15
[22:35] <tomreyn> ga_sk8er_: that's normal / expected
[22:35] <tomreyn> ga_sk8er_: the idea there is that you can try the older one in case the newer one doesn't work. you could do so now.
[22:37] <tomreyn> ga_sk8er_: here's how you can try booting with the 'fsck.mode=force' boot parameter:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters#Temporarily_Add_a_Kernel_Boot_Parameter_for_Testing
[22:39] <tomreyn> ga_sk8er_: i'll be gone for ~ 30 minutes. sum up the issue and ask for help again here if you can't make progress as discussed.
[22:40] <ga_sk8er_> to press the "end" button means to  press "enter" ...right?
[22:41] <rebab> How can I use ALT characters for example 096 ( ` )?
[22:50] <Bashing-om> ga_sk8er_: Depends on the keyboard in use .. ascii us layout here and the 'end' key takes the prompt to the end of the current line.
[22:53] <ga_sk8er_> im  just gonna do  a clean install...i  didnt have much on there
[22:53] <Bashing-om> ga_sk8er_: Nuclear solution always works .. but we learn little in taking that approach :)
[22:55] <ga_sk8er_> this is my 1st time running linux from  external. ive had it installed on a desktop pc a few times in the past.  i  learned not to  unplug & just do  a shutdown
[22:58] <tomreyn> rebab: first calculate the hexadecimal number out of the decimal number (CHARCODE) you have there:   CHARCODE=096; echo 'obase=16; '"$CHARCODE" | bc
[22:59] <tomreyn> oh, gone
[23:00] <ga_sk8er_> this external  drive seems to  go  slower about everything. seems like it was faster in the past on other PCs to  install
[23:00] <tomreyn> !smart | ga_sk8er_: another thing i wanted to recommend you do is to review the drives's state
[23:02] <tomreyn> Plumette: could you leave this channel while you keep changing nicknames? thanks!
[23:05] <kadiro> she is hot or what
[23:06] <pragmaticenigma> kadiro: please make sure you check the room topic
[23:06] <pragmaticenigma> Noisette: Please stop
[23:07] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | Plumette Noisette<EMAIL_ADDRESS>needs help to stop changing their nick every 30 seconds
[23:08] <OerHeks> a few times more and ubottu kicks in, just wait
[23:08] <jeremy31> ubottu or drone/sigyn?
[23:09] <jcotton> wow
[23:09] <jcotton> making ubottu disparage itself
[23:10] <dax> Plumette: once you fix your client so it isn't changing nick repeatedly, drop by #ubuntu-ops and let us know.
[23:11] <jeremy31> smells of somebody playing with scripts, or a bot
[23:12] <pragmaticenigma> jeremy31: Do you have a support question someone could help you with?
[23:13] <kadiro> o.o
[23:14] <jeremy31> Ok, pragmaticenigma why do I have to use blueman to disconnect from my bluetooth headset, reconnect and then use sound settings to be able to use A2DP audio every time I turn the headset on?
[23:15] <pragmaticenigma> jeremy31: I have no idea, I haven't worked with bluetooth in linux other than what is available through android
[23:20] <ga_sk8er_> when re-installing,  i get a message that "partition starts at an offset of 3584 bytes from the minimum alignment of the disk, which may lead to very poor performance"
[23:20] <ga_sk8er_> now i  know why the hd was going slow compared to  other HDs ive loaded onto in the past
[23:21] <tomreyn> how did you install and partition last time?
[23:21] <ga_sk8er_> last time was 1st time ever on this new HD.  i  told to install  to  it but leave windows on internal
[23:22] <tomreyn> but you partitioned the external disk yourself then?
[23:24] <ga_sk8er_> yeah
[23:24] <ga_sk8er_> when i go  to install,  it gives me the option now to erase ubunto & reinstall OR erase disk & install
[23:27] <ga_sk8er_> is there a difference in the 2 options? seems like both would fully format
[23:29] <tomreyn> ga_sk8er_: "erase disk" will delete all data on this target disk, including the partition table. that's probably what you want then.
[23:29] <pragmaticenigma> ga_sk8er_: one will erase the entire drive, the other will only erase the Ubuntu partition
[23:30] <tomreyn> ga_sk8er_: and consider having ubuntu do the partitioning for you, with LVM enabled.
[23:30] <jcotton> what does using LVM get you?
[23:30] <tomreyn> ga_sk8er_: also, if your computer supports uefi booting and you are not currently booting in uefi mode, i'd recommend switching this on.
[23:30] <tomreyn> jcotton: flexibility.
[23:31] <jcotton> meaning?
[23:31] <tomreyn> !lvm
[23:32] <tomreyn> lvm enables you to have something akin of 'virtual partitions'. you just create a single partition on your disk, and thanks to those virtual partitoons you may be able to resize those 'virtual partitions' (actually called "logical volumes") and the file systems they contain on the fly during runtime.
[23:32] <jcotton> cool
[23:33] <tomreyn> no need to reboot to ensure the kernel is aware of partition table changes
[23:33] <tomreyn> also moving things around gets a bit easier IMO
[23:33] <jcotton> eh? I thought you didn't need that with normal paritions either
[23:34] <jcotton> rebooting that is
[23:34] <tomreyn> sometimes yes, sometimes no
[23:35] <tomreyn> if the OS was booted off this drive and you change the partition table you may need to reboot
[23:35] <jcotton> ah
[23:37] <jeremy31> pragmaticenigma: It is a weird issue as headphones with volume buttons and a microphone have the issue but a bluetooth speaker pod works, must be something with bluez/pulseaudio and HSP/HFP/A2DP
[23:40] <ga_sk8er_> copying files now :)