[00:00] <sparr> when i see the Configuration File Changed (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) prompt...
[00:00] <sparr> what does synaptic do?
[00:00] <cwillu> lilkreen, still there?
[00:00] <cwillu> teamcobra, :/  just checked the changes for 2.6.24-13, nothing in there stuck out as related
[00:01] <chrisas> joshjosh,  perhaps you can boot a different kernel ?
[00:01] <lilkreen> yeah
[00:01] <teamcobra> I missed the ones inbetween -12 and -15
[00:01] <nugz1212> wine-doors + 8.04 = smooth or does it have problems?
[00:01] <lilkreen> poking around dpkg-reconfigure, it doesn't offer any display reconfiguring anymore, heh
[00:01] <teamcobra> doesn; work in the newest either
[00:01] <joshjosh> it was working fine under gutsy. i did an update-manager install and now it's all completely distorted. did the kernel change?
[00:02] <nugz1212> i get a huge list of errors when i launch winedoors
[00:02] <chrisas> joshjosh,  yes the kernel changed 3 versions up
[00:02] <nugz1212> normally its just "preloader: Warning: failed to reserve range 00000000-60000000"
[00:02] <chrisas> joshjosh,  but you can / should be able to choose the old ones @ boot
[00:02] <nugz1212> only about 600 times
[00:03] <cwillu> teamcobra, so it works in -12, doesn't in -15, and you're not sure about -13 or -14?
[00:03] <nugz1212> then it launches but doesant install stuff
[00:03] <chrisas> joshjosh, just to check, but its bullshit to run with the old kernel
[00:03] <joshjosh> chrisas, i'll give it a shot.
[00:03] <teamcobra> right-o
[00:03] <chrisas> joshjosh,  if the problem persits you should go to the kernel guys @ #linux
[00:03] <joshjosh> yeah. i might be switching distros if this is hard to fix. i'm getting kind of worn out on ubuntu.
[00:03] <cwillu> lilkreen, does it do it constantly, or only (for instance), after you haven't touched the computer for 10 seconds or so?
[00:03] <joshjosh> i'm going to try out a different kernel. be back, hopefully hah
[00:03] <nugz1212> anybody got wine-doors running fine on heron?
[00:03] <lilkreen> constantly straight from the progress screen before logon
[00:04] <lilkreen> my the output screens when I logoff and such are completely useless, I can't read anything on them
[00:04] <chrisas> hehe
[00:04] <cwillu> lilkreen, just on a hunch, can you disable 'dim on idle' in the power management settings
[00:05] <lilkreen> HAL doesn't report any brightness control to anything, the button hasn't worked since they broke it
[00:05] <JediMaster> am I right in thinking the AMD64 and i386 distros run two different kernels? as I'm getting IO-APIC panics on an i386 live install cd and not on the amd64 (noacpi on the kernel line "fixes" it)
[00:05] <lilkreen> it works just after GRUB loads though so I change the brightness there
[00:05] <nugz1212> has anyone in here got wine-doors running successfully i need some help with it
[00:06] <chrisas> JediMaster, differently compiled kernels but from the same version i think , i got  2.6.24-16-generic on 64bit
[00:06] <JediMaster> chrisas: thanks, just seems odd that one kernel panics and the other doesn't
[00:06] <nugz1212> i dont know if its a wine problem or something else
[00:06] <peter77> akk: top?
[00:06] <nugz1212> keep getting ""preloader: Warning: failed to reserve range 00000000-60000000""
[00:07] <JediMaster> chrisas: yes, that's the exact same version I got from uname -a in the live cd on i386
[00:08] <peter77> akk: could compiz cause overheating?
[00:08]  * nugz1212 needs wine-doors help on 8.04
[00:09] <burner> nugz1212: happy holiday ;)
[00:09] <nugz1212> ?
[00:09] <akk> peter77: I don't know, but top will show the top cpu users
[00:09]  * burner just guessed at something from the nick
[00:09] <burner> nevermind
[00:09] <nugz1212> huh?
[00:09] <nugz1212> good god
[00:10] <burner> as for wine doors, que es una problema?
[00:10] <burner> install from source and it works here
[00:10] <nugz1212> i keep getting "preloader: Warning: failed to reserve range 00000000-60000000"
[00:10] <nugz1212> about 600 times when laucnhed in console
[00:11] <burner> 0.1.2 or 0.2 development?
[00:11] <nugz1212> i installed it from the .deb
[00:11] <lilkreen> Cwillu: hrm... turning off the dim backlight seems to keep it from shimmering
[00:11] <lilkreen> it's never done what it's suppose to though
[00:11] <nugz1212> uhm 0.1.2
[00:12] <burner> nugz1212: i'm sorry, i'm not sure what to say... try dumping your .wine-doors prefs?
[00:12] <cwillu> lilkreen, it's new afaik
[00:12] <nugz1212> and i do that how?
[00:13] <peter77> akk, compiz doesn't seem to use a lot of system resources at all
[00:13] <nugz1212> im gonna try a purge then reinstall from source
[00:13] <cwillu> nugz1212, you don't have preload installed do you?
[00:13] <burner> nugz1212: there is a hidden directory in your home directory called ".wine-doors"    just try removing it
[00:13] <winger> Hi
[00:13] <lilkreen> gah, now the screen's garbled on unsuspend
[00:13] <nugz1212> okay
[00:13] <nugz1212> wats preload
[00:13] <akk> peter77: It might have been someone else telling you something about compiz, I know nothing about it myself
[00:13] <cwillu> teamcobra, what chipset was it again?
[00:14] <insomninja> each time I start firefox, it says that four new addons have been installed, language packs by the looks of it, but there seems to be no way to dismiss the window so it won't come up the next time I start firefox, help?
[00:14] <cwillu> nugz1212, synaptic has a description
[00:14] <burner> nugz1212: wine-doors from the .deb just worked here
[00:14] <nugz1212> k
[00:14] <winger> Ugh.  8.04 RC deleted /media/cdrom :P
[00:15] <nugz1212> i dont have preload, would that help?
[00:15] <nugz1212> if i installed it
[00:15] <cwillu> no, just checking
[00:15] <cwillu> don't install it
[00:15] <nugz1212> k
[00:15] <cwillu> teamcobra, https://launchpad.net/bugs/184600 _might_ be related
[00:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184600 in linux "ssb error while loading wifi module b43" [Medium,Confirmed]
[00:16] <peter77> akk: I just wondered if it could cause conflict etc
[00:16] <cwillu> or https://launchpad.net/bugs/85247
[00:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85247 in linux-source-2.6.22 "bcm203x firmware will not load" [Medium,Fix released]
[00:17] <lilkreen> Cwillu: it doesn't shimmer now that the dim while idle is off, but it doesn't come back from suspends anymore. mode's screwed into something it doesn't support.
[00:18] <cwillu> lilkreen, since you turned off dim-while-idle?  that sounds odd
[00:18] <lilkreen> yeah
[00:18] <cwillu> i.e., it works if you turn it back on?
[00:18] <lilkreen> I'm trying that now, rebooting so I can see what I'm doing, heh
[00:18] <cwillu> because I'm doubting the two are related :p
[00:20] <phoul> Hey all, I was wondering if anyone here has messed with kde4
[00:21] <mooboo1> Ubuntu 8.04 "Hardy Heron" is in only 3 days!
[00:22] <winger> I never did take a linking to KDE...
[00:22] <winger> liking, that is.
[00:23] <cwillu> gnome has a saner setup out of the box I find
[00:23] <Miineti> chrisas: jockey-gtk isnt much of a help
[00:23] <winger> And I like Xubuntu even more.
[00:24] <cwillu> I can tweak kde to nicer than gnome, but I hate tweaking a box for an hour before I can start to use it :)
[00:24] <cwillu> I'm told xfce is getting nice these days
[00:24] <winger> except the bugger deleted /dev/cdrom when I upgraded
[00:24] <cwillu> oooo, new cgroup related emails?
[00:24] <winger> xfce is heavier than I would like... but hell, the memory upgrade was $20.
[00:25] <winger> So screw it
[00:25] <DanaG> I suuuure hope they FIX that scheduler issue by then!
[00:25] <lilkreen> cwilu: same thing, maybe it's related to that inital dpkg setting... I hope I don't have to trade flicker for suspend, heh.
[00:27] <cwillu> DanaG, I've just been echo 10000>/sys/kernel/uuid/1000/cpu_share, but there's still a latency problem switching between user domains
[00:27] <LibertyShadow> Ugh I want the XPS M1330... but I see so many bad reviews...
[00:28] <LibertyShadow> wrong channel
[00:33] <julie> I can't change the system language back to english its stuck
[00:33] <DanaG> eth1, Linksys USB10T Ethernet Adapter, 30:01:00:00:00:00
[00:34] <DanaG> WTF kind of MAC address is that?
[00:34] <DanaG> The sticker on the device says 00:E0:98:7D:4C:7E
[00:35] <akk> Some net cards start out with zeroes, then set the real mac address after loading firmware
[00:36] <akk> though I think that's more common for wifi than for wired
[00:36] <_Rambaldi_> does anyone use wifi-radar with wpa-psk
[00:36] <Miineti> chrisas?
[00:37] <akk> DanaG: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/153727 has some discussion (and pointers to other things written about it)
[00:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153727 in debian "Ethernet device's number increases by one after every reboot" [Undecided,New]
[00:39] <teamcobra> cwillu: hrm, looks like I shall try rolling my own 2.6.25 deb w/ restricted modules and see if I can make this an easy thing for those w/ bcm4311s ;)
[00:39] <teamcobra> cwillu, thanks for the heads up on the launchpad bug, at least now I can make a workaround, I am sure a lot of people have these cards
[00:39] <teamcobra> I have 2 laptops w/ them myself ;)
[00:40] <DanaG> "If the LSB red is 1"
[00:40] <DanaG> color red?
[00:41] <DanaG> And isn't the 30:01 completely invalid?
[00:41] <cwillu> teamcobra, as long as your rolling your own, you'd make a few people happy if config_fair_cgroup_sched was enabled and _user_sched was turned off in the kernel config :p
[00:42] <DanaG> Odd... I triggered rfkill, and iwl3945 actually seemed to unload itself.
[00:42] <DanaG> turn on kill switch
[00:42] <DanaG> a few of:   MAC is in deep sleep!  WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC
[00:42] <teamcobra> cwillu: will make a note of that, as I am making a custom hardy spin for my business
[00:43] <teamcobra> (which will be distributed all over, and credit given to ubuntu on both the dvd/sleeve
[00:43] <DanaG> PCI interrupt disabled.  PCI interrupt up.  Writing back config space.  Radio disabled by RF Kill switch.  PCI interrupt disabled.
[00:43] <aLeSD> hi all
[00:44] <aLeSD> I just installed the 8.04 RC
[00:44] <aLeSD> and I have got a prblem with X
[00:44] <aLeSD> I have a nvidia card :
[00:44] <aLeSD> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34M [GeForce FX Go5200 64M] (rev a1)
[00:44] <cwillu> teamcobra, well, let me know (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/188226 is the bug in question)
[00:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged]
[00:45] <aLeSD> and Xorg are using nv driver I think ... and fonts are smoked
[00:45] <aLeSD> very smoked : it's hard tio read
[00:46] <aLeSD> I'm tring to load the nvidia driver but I got this error
[00:46] <aLeSD> modprobe nvidia
[00:46] <aLeSD> Not loading nvidia module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:46] <akk> I had a font problem when I upgraded to hardy, but supposedly it's been fixed
[00:46] <akk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/212669
[00:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212669 in x-ttcidfont-conf "newly installed fonts don't show up in hardy" [Undecided,Fix released]
[00:46] <teamcobra> aLeSD: edit your xorg.conf using sudo to be root when you do it
[00:46] <aLeSD> in the xorg.conf I found that there is nothing in Card section
[00:47] <aLeSD> teamcobra: have a look
[00:47] <teamcobra> aLeSD, hmm, add your own line then, and use the driver nvidia
[00:47] <aLeSD> Section "Device"
[00:47] <aLeSD>         Identifier      "Configured Video Device"
[00:47] <aLeSD> EndSection
[00:47] <teamcobra> weird, I have to run, pick my friend up from work
[00:47] <cwillu> that's the new way of doing things :p
[00:47] <cwillu> just add the driver "nvidia"
[00:47] <aLeSD> is the new Xorg configuring itself on tyhe run ?
[00:48] <cwillu> ttyl
[00:48] <cwillu> yes
[00:48] <doofy_> does anyone know how to get a bluetooth headset working in hardy with pulseaudio? I have it connected, but the option to put sound through it doesnt show up in skype
[00:48] <winger> Sorry, doofy_. nope.
[00:48] <teamcobra> doofy: install pavucontrol (its a package)
[00:48] <teamcobra> will help you route things around in pulseaudio
[00:48] <teamcobra> brb all
[00:48] <mooboo1> plz put 2.6.25 in repo
[00:49] <aLeSD> coming back
[00:49] <teamcobra> mooboo1: I am rolling my own 2.6.25 debs, will announce them when they;re done
[00:49] <winger> Hmmm.  I upgraded t the release candidate... how will I upgrade when the 8.04 is actually released?
[00:49] <teamcobra> for all of the people that need them
[00:49] <mooboo1> teamcobra, awesome
[00:49] <doofy_> teamcobra, doesnt look like its showing up
[00:50] <teamcobra> weird, I installed it last night w/ sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[00:50] <teamcobra> brb
[00:50] <doofy_> no pavucontrol is there but the device isnt
[00:50] <teamcobra> hmm, not sure offhand
[00:50] <teamcobra> brb
[00:51] <cwillu> winger, normal update-manager
[00:51] <winger> too easy :)
[00:51] <winger> thanks, cwillu
[00:53] <peter78> my computer is freezing/ overheating whilst playing iplayer (by adobe flash) in full screen
[00:53] <DanaG> I wish they'd fix that damn scheduler.
[00:54] <DanaG> And what's with that screwy MAC address?
[00:54] <cwillu> DanaG, well, I wish they had merged swap-prefetch :p
[00:57] <aLeSD> hi all
[00:57] <aLeSD> now it is using the vesa driver
[00:58] <aLeSD> I remember something somewhere that banned the driver ..
[00:58] <aLeSD> I really don't know where
[00:58] <aLeSD> someone has a nvidia ?
[00:59] <Miineti> whatd i do, when my restricted manager doesnt realize the fritz wlan stick?
[00:59] <aLeSD> it says failed to load nvidia driver : module doesn'r exist
[00:59] <aLeSD> ah ah
[00:59] <climatewarrior> can anyone give me a direct link to download kubuntu 8.04 kde 4 remix by torrent?
[00:59] <climatewarrior> havent found it on the net and the offical page is so slow
[01:00] <aLeSD> strange I'm pretty sure that I have nvidia modules installed
[01:00] <spiroo> How do I upgrade to 8.04 RC without the dist-upgrade-devel command which not is working for me.
[01:00] <spiroo> I got this "error": "python: can't open file '/tmp/kde-spiroo/adept_managerXwytgb.tmp-extract/dist-upgrade.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory"
[01:01] <doofy_> ive got this bluetooth earpiece connected, but i can not get it to show up in any applications for use
[01:02] <ISS_Student> So when the offical release happens will I need to do much if I am running the beta?
[01:02] <DanaG> doofy_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4731782
[01:03] <aLeSD> quit
[01:03] <DanaG> You can make it always do the pactl stuff by putting it in /etc/pulse/default.pa
[01:04] <doofy_> Failure: Timeout on the first one :-/
[01:05] <climatewarrior> can anyone give me a direct link to download kubuntu 8.04 kde 4 remix by torrent
[01:05] <winger> ISS_Student: I was informed you update through update-manager
[01:06] <odious> hi guys. just wondering if i install the beta, can i just use apt-get dist-upgrade to the release when it's out in 3 days?
[01:07] <icanhas> odious: sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade , yes
[01:07] <Amaranth> Yes
[01:07] <odious> thanks guys
[01:08] <Amaranth> odious: it'll be a somewhat large download though
[01:08] <doofy_> DanaG, no luck with those commands, i just tried restarting too... any other ideas?
[01:09] <odious> Amaranth: i suppose every package has a new version on release?
[01:09] <Amaranth> odious: No, not every package
[01:09] <Amaranth> Just half the desktop install :P
[01:09] <odious> Amaranth: heh right :)
[01:23] <ISS_Student> Thanks Winger
[01:23] <susanoo> anyone here on a PS3 ?
[01:24] <ikonia> susanoo: hardy isn't ported to ps3 yet
[01:24] <ikonia> susanoo: there is a ps3 ubuntu site
[01:24] <ikonia> susanoo: that should give you the latest updates of what's going on
[01:24] <ISS_Student> Well it's nice to know that with Hardy Realtek sound is working!
[01:24] <susanoo> where is this site ?
[01:24] <susanoo> link ?
[01:25] <ikonia> www.psubuntu.com
[01:25] <susanoo> good job ikonia
[01:25] <susanoo> keep up the good work
[01:25] <ikonia> welcome
[01:27]  * Dr_willis wakes up. and sneezes.
[01:27] <Sergeant_Pony> bless you
[01:28] <icanhas> Sergeant_Pony: that's a bit religious for here
[01:28] <Dr_willis> We need to put 'Yes you can upgrade to the final if you install now...' in the topic/faq :)
[01:28] <Sergeant_Pony> lol and I'm not the religious type
[01:30] <Lunar_Lamp> I have frequency scaling on my cpu set to "ondemand" - how do I change that to "perfomance"?
[01:31] <RAOF> Lunar_Lamp: As in "no scaling at all"?
[01:31] <danny> hey :o
[01:31] <Dr_willis> interesting  - i am seeing in dmesg output.
[01:31] <Dr_willis> sky2 eth0: rx length error: status 0x5ea0100 length 1510
[01:32] <Dr_willis> Is that someone sending me some bad packets? or potential driver bug?
[01:32] <danny> i can't get my broadcam wireless to work, it won't show up in hardware drivers or anything :/
[01:32] <ikonia> Dr_willis: knowing sky driver probably driver issue
[01:32] <bouma> hi, i get an error asking for libstdc++.so.5 under ubuntu8.04, can i apt-get something to help ?
[01:33] <RAOF> bouma: Yes.  libstdc++5 :)
[01:33] <bouma> :)
[01:33] <bouma> ok so, sudo apt-get install libstdc++5
[01:33] <ikonia> RAOF: I don't think thats the package name is it ?
[01:33] <bouma> RAOF: btw can i use a different apt-get parameter, so it asks for permission
[01:33] <bouma> oh
[01:33] <Dr_willis> ikonia,  first ive ever noticed te messages. I am grabbing some iso torrents.  :)
[01:33] <ikonia> bouma: so what asks for permission ?
[01:34] <RAOF> ikonia: No.  libstdc++5 is the package they want.
[01:34] <ikonia> Dr_willis: I've had on / off problems with sky drivers (marvel cards arn't they)
[01:34] <bouma> ikonia: so apt-get asks
[01:34] <Lunar_Lamp> RAOF: yes, thats what I want, but I've discovered the tool now. :-)
[01:34] <ikonia> bouma: asks for what ?
[01:34] <RAOF> Lunar_Lamp: You can twiddle some gconf keys: /apps/gnome-power-manager/ui/cpufreq_show will give you a UI option.
[01:34] <ikonia> bouma: it only asks for user/pass 1 time per session
[01:34] <Lunar_Lamp> RAOF: I just use cpufreq-selector :)
[01:34] <bouma> ikonia: asks (Y/n) before going and downloading and installing
[01:34] <RAOF> ikonia: Well, actually once/15min.
[01:34] <bouma> ikonia: im not worried about the sudo part
[01:34] <ikonia> bouma: thst update
[01:35] <ikonia> RAOF: is that time related, thats interesting
[01:35] <bouma> ikonia: ok so, sudo apt-get update libstdc++5
[01:35] <ikonia> bouma: install
[01:35] <ikonia> as RAOF suggested
[01:37] <bouma> :D, its all working
[01:38] <RAOF> bouma: apt-file can be your friend in future (apt-file search libstdc++.so.5 will return the package(s) containing that file).
[01:38] <bouma> RAOF: thanks
[01:39] <bouma> ok, i added eclipse, but eclipse didnt install java, so im looking at the choices for jre, there is a the java 6 web start with 5 stars, is this preferable ?
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> oh lordy.  Epiphany crashes whenever I close a tab.
[01:40] <teamcobra> brb, quick reboot
[01:41] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey is this version of gnome is there any way to set the brightness of the screen depending if you are on battery or ac power
[01:41] <cwillu> vbabiy-laptop, just set it, it'll remember
[01:42] <cwillu> vbabiy-laptop, just set it, it'll remember
[01:42] <vbabiy-laptop_> cwillu: sorry I missed what you said i got disconnected
[01:42] <cwillu> that's what I said :p
[01:42] <cwillu> i.e., set it, unplug it, set it again,
[01:42] <cwillu> replug it, notice it goes back to the original value
[01:42] <vbabiy-laptop_> cwillu: it doesn't :)
[01:43] <cwillu> it should
[01:43] <vbabiy-laptop_> I don't think that is working for me
[01:43] <cwillu> weird, it doesn't anymore
[01:43] <cwillu> grrrrrrr
[01:43] <vbabiy-laptop_> hmm.. that looks like a BUG
[01:44] <vbabiy-laptop_> hey any one using a m1530
[01:44] <vbabiy-laptop_> delll
[01:44] <vbabiy-laptop_> dell*
[01:45] <jscinoz> i wish either gnash worked better or adobe flash stopped crashing firefox >_<
[01:46] <vbabiy-laptop_> also any know why they removed the custom setting in visual effects
[01:46] <AutoMatriX> hi
[01:46] <vbabiy-laptop_> Hello
[01:46] <jscinoz> vbabiy-laptop_, its still there, just wont show up without compizconfig-settings-manager installed
[01:46] <susanoo> ikonia, but the ubuntu 8.04 RC been released for the ps3 yet ??
[01:46] <redwhitewaldo> In "hardware drivers" I have chosen to enable device driver for "ATI accelerated graphics driver". how do i know the driver file name or application was downloaded and installed?
[01:47] <ikonia> susanoo: I don't think so
[01:47] <susanoo> ok
[01:47] <ikonia> susanoo: from what I've seen the ps3 release normally lags a bit behind ubuntu
[01:47] <susanoo> well that suck
[01:48] <RAOF> jscinoz: Or moonlight killed flash dead? :)
[01:48] <vbabiy-laptop_> jscinoz: is that the same package as the advance Desktop effect setting
[01:48] <ikonia> susanoo: why does that suck ? ubuntu 8.04 is not yet stable, why should people bother porting a product thats not even released
[01:48] <RAOF> redwhitewaldo: You don't, I think.  It'll have been the 'xorg-driver-fglrx' package and linux-restricted-modules if you did'nt already have that installed.
[01:49] <ikonia> susanoo: put it in perspectiv
[01:49] <jscinoz> RAOF :P btw i finally got my first 2 packages into debian :D
[01:49] <RAOF> jscinoz: Yay!
[01:49] <jscinoz> RAOF, hopefully they can get synced for intrepid :D
[01:49] <jscinoz> vabiy-laptop_ one second i'll check
[01:49] <redwhitewaldo> RAOF: is there a way to check+
[01:49] <shingalated> How can soundcards be reconfigured in hardy?  As of this morning I get "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found." When I click the volume control applet.
[01:50] <vbabiy-laptop_> jscinoz: I have that package and it not showing the custom option
[01:50] <RAOF> redwhitewaldo: Check what?  I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve.
[01:50] <susanoo> if i download the ubuntu 8.04 LTS daily build alpha , would i be able to upragde it trought terminal later on ? when the final stable releases ??
[01:50] <RAOF> susanoo: Yes.
[01:50] <redwhitewaldo> RAOF: i want to know what files were installed when i chose to install "restricted driver".
[01:51] <susanoo> ikonia , you do remember me right ?
[01:51] <ikonia> susanoo: I don't, sorry
[01:51] <susanoo> good
[01:51] <susanoo> good
[01:51] <ikonia> susanoo: I assume you where the silly user who had issues with flash/java on his ps3
[01:51] <jscinoz> vbabiy-laptop_ hmm not sure, you can just run "ccsm" to get the same thing?
[01:51] <susanoo> hmm ?
[01:51] <susanoo> guess again
[01:51] <ikonia> susanoo: ok
[01:52] <RAOF> redwhitewaldo: Hm...  I don't think there's an obvious GUI way of doing what you want.  'dpkg --listfiles linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) xorg-driver-fglrx' will give you a complete list.
[01:52] <vbabiy-laptop_> well I know that but if I try to turn off compiz then I can't turn it on to my custom setting with resetting them alll
[01:53] <redwhitewaldo> rao
[01:53] <redwhitewaldo> C
[01:54] <Smegzor> Any idea when Wine 0.9.60 will be available in the repos?  I read that its being held back due to the impending release of Hardy.
[01:55] <twb> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>/bin/java: error while loading shared libraries: libjli.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:55] <twb> Any idea what I can do about this?
[01:56] <twb> cf. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4744230
[01:56] <Dr_willis> !info ipcom
[01:56] <Dr_willis> !info ipcop
[01:56] <ubotu> Package ipcom does not exist in hardy
[01:56] <ubotu> Package ipcop does not exist in hardy
[01:57] <richie_> Network manager asks for a keyring pass.. can I get rid of that?
[01:57] <jscinoz> vbabiy-laptop_ sorry I couldn't be of more help
[01:57] <vbabiy-laptop_> jscinoz: don't worry about it
[01:58] <cwillu> vbabiy-laptop, you mean the fourth option that shows up in appearances (as opposed to the advanced control panel itself, which I presume is working)
[01:58] <cwillu> nevermind then
[01:59] <RAOF> Smegzor: Chances are that it won't appear in the archives, given that we're post RC.  Wine has a standing freeze exception though, so there is a (small) chance that it will appear.
[01:59] <cwillu> Smegzor, it'll probably be out after, or perhaps in a backport
[02:01] <albert23> vbabiy-laptop_: If you install the package simple-ccsm, you will get the custom option back
[02:01] <vbabiy-laptop_> o okay
[02:01] <susanoo> am downloading the buntu 8.04
[02:02] <Smegzor> yeah I'm expecting to see it in backports eventually.
[02:03] <shingalated> How can soundcards be reconfigured in hardy?  As of this morning I get "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found." When I click the volume control applet.
[02:04] <cwillu> albert23, weird, any idea why they broke that?
[02:04] <redwhitewaldo> sound is no longer working on my comp.can someone help me troubleshoot? I don't know what happneed
[02:05] <AutoMatriX> which is the best method to synchronise an outlook express and an evolution address base ?
[02:06] <albert23> cwillu: No idea. I had to look for that option some time ago and found the new simple-ccsm
[02:06] <AutoMatriX> oops sorry guys, off topic here :s
[02:07] <Niriven> why does it keep sayin gi need to do a partial upgrade, and how do i resolv if?
[02:07] <Niriven> *resolve it
[02:08] <Smegzor> I just heard about something called Unity on the Linux Action Show.  I Googled it, but didn't find much about it.  Is it part of VMWare?
[02:10] <bazhang> Smegzor: for Macs; to offset parallels' coherence feature
[02:10] <twb> I've determined that sun-java6-jre cannot be installed inside a chroot.
[02:11] <twb> Anybody know why?
[02:11] <Smegzor> Yeah I finally found better info about it.  I use VirtualBox and seamless mode is great :)
[02:11] <Smegzor> also I don't use a Mac so nevermind.
[02:11] <ethana2> Niriven: let it do its thing
[02:12] <Niriven> ethana2, What?
[02:12] <ethana2> Niriven: some packages were removed from ubuntu for whatever reason
[02:12] <ethana2> just let it do what it needs to
[02:12] <Niriven> ethana2: Hmm, ok.
[02:12] <Smegzor> a couple of times that partial upgrade got stuck for me (it would cancel automatically).  I found that I could cancel the dialog and grab the other updates so that was all good.
[02:12] <ethana2> Niriven: happens all the time pre release
[02:13] <Smegzor> One thing about the partial upgrade dialog that bugs me, it prevents me from browsing the list of updates unless I cancel the partial.
[02:13] <ethana2> Smegzor: agreed
[02:14] <linkmaster03> where could I find a list of changes/new features from 7.10->8.04?
[02:14] <Smegzor> How soon do we expect to see the new linux kernel?
[02:15] <sparr_> which new linux kernel?
[02:15] <RAOF> Smegzor: You mean 2.6.25?  In hardy?  Never.
[02:15] <bazhang> linkmaster03: there are several dozen on the web look around
[02:15] <Smegzor> yes 2.6.25
[02:16] <Smegzor> thats quite a while.  So it'll be in 8.10 instead?
[02:16] <ethana2> It bugs me that fedora uses rpm
[02:16] <Smegzor> the new kernel sounds very nice.
[02:16] <ethana2> ...because fedora probably will have it
[02:16] <RAOF> Smegzor: Unless Intrepid has 2.6.26, yes.
[02:17] <ethana2> in two years, we simply will not have 'gpu drivers'
[02:17] <Smegzor> do new kernels come down via backports?
[02:17] <ethana2> i find that awesome, with gallium and kernel mode setting and whatnot
[02:17] <RAOF> Smegzor: No.
[02:18] <RAOF> Smegzor: kernels are explicitly disallowed in the backport documentation.
[02:18] <susanoo> does Ubuntu surpasses windows in capabilities when running on a PC machines ?
[02:18] <ethana2> susanoo: heck yes
[02:18] <tramd> depends
[02:18] <ethana2> susanoo: I dual boot windows
[02:18] <RAOF> susanoo: Malformed question :)
[02:18] <ethana2> haven't used it in a year
[02:18] <icanhas> by a zillion percent, 2 zillion if you're talking vista :P
[02:18] <Seeker`> susanoo: it depends on how you define capabilities
[02:19] <icanhas> yeah, ubuntu SUCKS at mounting xfat partitions ;)
[02:19] <susanoo> would it run games such as supreme commander , warcraft 3 etc etc ?? as better as a window ?
[02:19] <Dr_willis> susanoo Linux has more capabilities in the general term.
[02:19] <ethana2> xfat?  what's that?
[02:19] <n0nam3> vlc when maximized is putting a green line of pixels going across horizontally .... why is this???????
[02:19] <ethana2> susanoo: probably not yet
[02:19] <RAOF> susanoo: Ubuntu isn't as good at running Windows programs than Windows.
[02:19] <ethana2> susanoo: but eventually, like a year or two from now
[02:19] <RAOF> ethana2: And almost certainly never.
[02:19] <ethana2> RAOF: ...what???
[02:19] <ethana2> WINE
[02:19] <susanoo> lol
[02:19] <Smegzor> susanoo: Have you heard of Wine?
[02:19] <ethana2> moves fast, RAOF
[02:19] <susanoo> ur right about that RAOF
[02:20] <RAOF> ethana2: True.  But games move fast, too.
[02:20] <Dr_willis>  But for a given 'job/task' you can most likely find linux apps to do whatever job needs to be done.
[02:20] <ethana2> I can deal with that, what about the API's they use?
[02:20] <ethana2> ...'cause that's what matters for compat
[02:20] <RAOF> ethana2: So I'll agree.  It's entirely possible that in a year or two Wine will run games that are out now better than Windows.
[02:20] <ethana2> yes.
[02:20] <Dr_willis> if you   Want games.. stick to windows..    thats the easiest way
[02:21] <RAOF> ethana2: I'm sceptical that it'll run contemporary games faster/better than windows.
[02:21] <icanhas> If you want games, buy a game console, looks better on a hi-def tv anyway
[02:21] <ethana2> And once we get there, we'll have spun DirectX out of WINE onto gallium
[02:21] <ethana2> RAOF: it already does some
[02:21] <Dr_willis> Dosbox runs the old dos games quite well. :)
[02:21] <ethana2> icanhas: game consoles are evil
[02:21] <ethana2> that should not be encouraged
[02:21] <susanoo> best thing about linux is that you wont be easy to hack
[02:21] <susanoo> besides that
[02:21] <icanhas> ethana2: uh, no they aren't. actually they are great comunity tools and have some really wonderful games that are fun for the whole family
[02:21] <ethana2> susanoo: note that if i can get you to 'su and say' something
[02:21] <susanoo> window is better
[02:22] <ethana2> just by asking, then you have a serious security problem
[02:22] <ethana2> and you should look into it
[02:22] <RAOF> ethana2: I seem to recall some wine developer saying that DX on gallium wouldn't be a particularly useful thing.
[02:22] <susanoo> ethana2 ??
[02:22] <ethana2> ...it was a joke, susanno
[02:22] <ethana2> it'll only be as secure as you are as a user
[02:22] <ethana2> but that's good enough for me
[02:23] <yuri_> hey guys, i have a few questions about HH. 1) does it come with gnome-do by default 2) will a distro upgrade from 7.10 break anything 3) when is the release?
[02:23] <susanoo> wel what if people knows ur root and pass ?
[02:23] <RAOF> yuri_: 1) No. 2) No (hopefully - we've tested and tried to ensure nothing breaks) 3) Soon.  27th, I think.
[02:23] <n0nam3> so can anyone tell me why vlc has a green band of pixels going across the screen please ? :)
[02:23] <Smegzor> susanoo: Currently off the top of my head I run Battlefield 1942, Halo Combat Evolved, TrackMania Forever, Thief 2, Battlefield2, World of Padman, Wolf ET, Oblivion, HalfLife2, Counter Strike etc, anything in Steam really., Bandits, and a few minor games all running in Wine flawlessly.
[02:23] <icanhas> yuri_: no, which should be obvious, no reason to believe it will, and the 24th
[02:24] <Dr_willis> n0nam3,  at the top/edges?
[02:24] <yuri_> thanks guys
[02:24] <n0nam3> no
[02:24] <n0nam3> it's at the bottom
[02:24] <bazhang> susanoo: you back?
[02:24] <n0nam3> it's i pixel inheight .. and is a green line going across the whole picture
[02:24] <Dr_willis> some videos have a bit of overscan video area that many players trim out.  ive noticed befor
[02:24] <n0nam3> hrmmm... i've done it w/ about 6 avi's now
[02:25] <Dr_willis> totally across the bottom.  Does it do it with EVERY video? or just some?
[02:25] <Dr_willis> May be some oddity with the video drivers, or player. try gmplayer perhaps.
[02:25] <yuri_> more questions: 1) will there be a grub splash screen 2) will fsck run everytime I do a hard shutdown?
[02:25] <RAOF> n0nam3: Options include: 1) That's actually in the source video 2) Compression artefact 3) Xv driver problem.
[02:25] <n0nam3> yeah.. across the whole bottom
[02:25] <RAOF> yuri_: 1) No, 2) No.
[02:25] <RAOF> yuri_: Well, kinda on 2).
[02:25] <yuri_> kinda?
[02:25] <icanhas> yeah i was going to say, lol
[02:25] <Dr_willis> yuri_,  its best to let it check when it wants to.:) i have noticed you can hit escape to cancle the fscks now.
[02:26] <n0nam3> well, i don't think i had this problem before doing the package update for vlc 2 days ago
[02:26] <n0nam3> almost 99% pos i din't have the problem
[02:26] <num> can i safely use emerald with ubuntu hardy?
[02:26] <yuri_> Dr_willis: as long as you can hit escape, its ok
[02:26] <Dr_willis> n0nam3,  ive noticed similer things on the top/side on some vidoes
[02:26] <Dr_willis> yuri_,  hiting escape is a BAD habbit. :)  and yes.. ive caught myself doing it also.
[02:26] <Niriven> So anyone here switch from gentoo or freebsd?
[02:26] <thompa> im having a new problem. I cant burn cds anymore
[02:27] <Smegzor> every time I cancel fsck, it won't let me login to my home.  Only when fsck is allowed to complete.
[02:27] <susanoo> bazhang, did i ever left ?
[02:27] <akk> So, my upgrade failed because plucker didn't install the /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyPlucker files
[02:27] <yuri_> Dr_willis: i know, but it adding an extra 4-8 mins to my startup time is not an option. this is a laptop
[02:27] <akk> so now when I try to apt-get anything, it says I have to run dpkg --configure -a
[02:27] <akk> but if I run dpkg --configure -a, it just tries to run this plucker script that refers to all the nonexistent files
[02:28] <akk> How do I get out of that loop? (dpkg remove plucker just tells me it needs dpkg --configure -a)
[02:28] <Dr_willis> yuri_,  4-8 min? egads.. wyhat size hd ya got?
[02:28] <n0nam3> Dr_willis: if it has something to do w/ the package update for vlc ... since i didn't have the problem 4 days ago... would a reinstall potentially fix it?
[02:28] <thompa> anybody else cant burn cds anymore? usb is totally broke also. sound is iffy
[02:29] <yuri_> yet more questions:1) will it come default with a one-click solution like automatix 2) will kubuntu use kde4
[02:29] <Dr_willis> yuri_,  it should only be trying to scan every 30 remounts/reboots or so.. or after a bad crash.   NO!  I don't believe it! :)
[02:29] <thompa> yuri_: it is already almost one click
[02:29] <Dr_willis> yuri_,  what is with the hard-resets? why are you doing those?
[02:29] <Exilant> yuri: kubuntu comes with kde4, but kde3 is default
[02:30] <Dr_willis> I was thinking there was a kubuntu kde4, and kubuntu kde3 install cds
[02:30] <thompa> in my case i may need to reinstall
[02:30] <Exilant> so you'll have to install kde4 separately (and last i tried it was rather unstable)
[02:30] <yuri_> Dr_willis: crashes, endless loops, bugs, etc.
[02:30] <Dr_willis> yuri_,  if you are having major crashes like that.. i would be making some backups  quickly.
[02:30] <akk> Nobody knows how to fix apt-get and dpkg?
[02:31] <n0nam3> jeese ... ff b5 is leaking somewhere ... i only have 3 text based webpages open and it's using 200mb of ram
[02:31] <Dr_willis> I dont recall ever having to do a hard-reset on my laptop under hardy.  and boy do i push it.
[02:31] <Dr_willis> n0nam3,  it may have allocated the ram from earlier and just not released it.
[02:31] <yuri_> Dr_willis: i have many, and i kjeep all my documents on a separate partition and backed up to many redundant external discs. ive crashed for too many systems over the years and learned enough hard lessons
[02:33] <Geoffrey2> speaking of FF, since a final release of FF 3 won't be out prior to 8.04 going live, will the default browser be FF 2 until the new version is released?
[02:33] <yuri_> final question: can i upgrade to HH beta right now from 7.10?
[02:33] <RAOF> yuri_: Yes.  update-manager -d
[02:34] <Dr_willis> Geoffrey2,  I installed FF2, and the firefox2 command still launches firefox3 :) figure that out
[02:34] <yuri_> time to upgrade then
[02:34] <Dr_willis> Geoffrey2,  looke to me like they will beusing FF3. unless they changed their minds recently
[02:34] <tacone> should hardy upgrade set my fstab mounts to relatime or should I do it myself manually ?
[02:35] <Geoffrey2> Dr_willis: which would mean...beta 5?
[02:35] <Dr_willis> tacone,  i dont see any 'relatime' options in my fstab on a clean install.
[02:35] <Dr_willis> Geoffrey2,   looks that way. Unless they do some real big changes here soon.
[02:35] <tacone> Dr_willis: I don't see it on my upgraded machine but I see them on my virtualbox  hardy beta
[02:36] <Dr_willis> aha - firefox-2 does NOW launch firefox2 like its supposed to. :)
[02:36] <Dr_willis> tacone,  i dont see it on any of my hardy machines. add it if you think it will help i guess.
[02:36] <tacone> ok, thanks :)
[02:37] <Dr_willis> i dont recall ever needing or using thsat option
[02:38] <Geoffrey2> I will, however, be happy when FF 3 is available...I like using Yahoo mapping, and FF2 and the cairo implementation in Ubuntu just don't play well together
[02:38] <sarixe> i'm having a problem with samba: when i share something on ubuntu, it's not accessible from other computers.
[02:38] <Dr_willis> Ive been using ff3 for ages it seems. :)
[02:39] <Dr_willis> sarixe,  i normally manually install the 'samba' package, and give the users a samba password with 'sudo smbpasswd -a USERNAME' THEN i edit the /etc/samba/smb.conf file to enable the home shares. That way I an get to the users whole home dir. :)
[02:39] <Dr_willis> ive had such issues with the kde/gnome 'share stuff via this gui tool' feature.
[02:39] <sarixe> i get: "\\<server>\<share> is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions. The network name cannot be found."
[02:39] <Dr_willis> It always seem to miss a step/forget somthing.
[02:39] <sarixe> well i can see the share fine
[02:39] <sarixe> but it can't open it
[02:40] <Dr_willis> sarixe,   try the 'sudo smbpasswd -a USERNAME' thing then perhaps
[02:40] <sarixe> what username should i use...? the windows one or the linux one?
[02:40] <Dr_willis> that will give the user a samba password you enter on the windows box.
[02:40] <Dr_willis> the linux users  :) since you are giving the password to the linux users account
[02:40] <sarixe> gotcha
[02:40] <ubuntuROX> Grown men should not love an operating system as much as I love Ubuntu :) Thank all you guys for making this a great product, and an awesome community.
[02:41] <Dr_willis> for just some quick and dirty/fast one time file transfers. I tend to use ssh on linux, and winscp on windows.  its a bit easier to do.
[02:41] <sarixe> same error...
[02:41] <Dr_willis> IF you want to always be able to get to files on the ubuntu box. learning about samba, and seting uop the home shares is a good idea
[02:41] <sarixe> well i don't want my whole home to be shared
[02:41] <sarixe> just this one folder
[02:43] <sarixe> Dr_willis : should i edit that conf now?
[02:43] <Dr_willis> sarixe,  dependson what you want to share exactly. I always set up the homes to be shared
[02:43] <Dr_willis> I perfer it that way
[02:44] <Dr_willis> its VERYpossible you dont have the samba package installed ' sudo apt-get install samba'
[02:44] <sarixe> i do, i know i do
[02:44] <Dr_willis> i recall the gui share thing. supposed to install that befor.. and often it just dident do it.
[02:44] <Dr_willis> the gui tools 'should' of added a new share entry to the end of the smb.conf file.
[02:44] <Dr_willis> but that wont do much good if samba isent even isntalled.
[02:45] <ampex> how do I go about upgrading 7.10 server to 8.04 ?
[02:45] <IdleOne> where does rythmbox keeps it's playlist?
[02:47] <sarixe> Dr_willis : i have samba, and i used the gui thing, the share shows up in windows, but there is no share in the conf.
[02:47] <RAOF> sarixe: Before you go too far down the rabit hole, I presume you've tried simply right-clicking on the folder you wish to share and selecting "sharing options", right?
[02:47] <crimsun> soc: hi?
[02:47] <sarixe> RAOF : yes
[02:48] <sarixe> but i also have samba installed
[02:48] <sarixe> so that's definitely not the problem
[02:48] <RAOF> And you selected "share", and "guest acces"?
[02:48] <sarixe> yes
[02:48] <ampex> any word on whether the RC will become the final release?
[02:48] <RAOF> And when you connected from the windows machine, it asked for a username/password?
[02:48] <ampex> any last minute bug fixes?
[02:48] <RAOF> ampex: 3 days, give or take.
[02:48] <sarixe> RAOF : no, it just gave an error
[02:49] <RAOF> Hm.  Awkward.
[02:49] <RAOF> That worked for me (but with a Mac connecting to the share, so it's not directly applicable).
[02:49] <sarixe> RAOF : i can connect to my samba server, it shows all the shares, but if i try to get to a share, it fails
[02:50] <sarixe> brb
[02:50] <RAOF> Hm.  It's possible that windows has cached some incorrect authentication data?
[02:51] <sarixe> back
[02:51] <sarixe> erm, well it's a common problem among several other machines
[02:51] <AlienX> hardy supports install time disk encryption, right?
[02:52] <ubuntu> hey i just update from kubuntu 7.10 to 8.04 hardy, i enabled desktop effects, i rebooted and got that white screen, any ideas on how to fix this
[02:53] <RAOF> AlienX: Yes, but only from the alternate CD I think.
[02:54] <AlienX> RAOF, sweet. I need it for work and didn't want to get caught in a bind :)
[02:54] <Amaranth> ubuntu: you should not manually install your fglrx driver
[02:54] <Amaranth> I don't even remember the fix now, just the cause
[02:55] <Amaranth> Haven't run into that since edgy
[02:55] <Who_> I am struggling with video drivers: I can't use nvidia because I can't get suspend to work and I can't use nv because...well... I can't seem to make it work - the screen has 'dots' all over it a bit like when old OSs tried to make things 'greyed out'.
[02:55] <RAOF> ubuntu: I think the other option is to uninstall xserver-xgl, if you've got it installed.
[02:57] <Amaranth> Who_: So nv doesn't work with your card (not surprising) and nvidia breaks suspend (also not surprising)
[02:57] <Who_> to be honest I am not even sure that the nv driver _is_ loaded: While xorg.conf says nv, lsmod | grep nv renvidia               4718832  0
[02:57] <Who_> agpgart                34760  1 nvidia
[02:57] <Who_> i2c_core               24832  1 nvidia
[02:57] <Who_> turns:
[02:57] <tannewt> Hi all, I have a strange bug, when I move my mouse the pointer does not move but gets moved when I click
[02:57] <wastrel> nice one
[02:57] <RAOF> Who_: That's perfectly normal; the nv driver is totally userspace and doesn't load a kernel module.
[02:57] <Who_> But the Amaranth: shouldn't I get some very basic functionality from nv no matter what?
[02:57] <Amaranth> Who_: I don't
[02:57] <RAOF> Who_: Bwa ha ha!
[02:57] <Who_> hmmm. How frustrating!
[02:58] <Amaranth> With nv I get some really awesome banding that makes the whole thing unusable
[02:58] <RAOF> Who_: It'd be nice to think so, wouldn't it.
[02:58] <Amaranth> Who_: you could try nouveau :)
[02:58] <Amaranth> !nouveau
[02:58] <ubotu> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[02:58] <RAOF> Amaranth, Who_: But you've probably got a new card (geforce 8xxx or greater) which isn't well supported by nouveau yet.
[02:58] <Who_> I have a pretty modest laptop card here - from years ago: I really don't want much - I just don't want the Windows 9x 'greyed out' feel to my whole OS
[02:59] <Who_> FX Go 5200
[02:59] <Amaranth> RAOF: see, not a new card :)
[02:59] <RAOF> Who_: Oh, in which case nouveau will rock the pants off nv.
[02:59] <Amaranth> that's NV3x, right?
[02:59] <Who_> Amaranth: got a good way for me to check?
[02:59] <RAOF> I think so, yeah.
[02:59] <Amaranth> nouveau should have full 2d acceleration
[02:59] <Amaranth> Who_: was a question for RAOF really :)
[02:59] <RAOF> Proper multi head...
[03:00] <RAOF> Who_: I find the easiest way to check is to use nouveau; the drm module prints out your GPU model to dmesg :)
[03:00] <sarixe> why not just use the propietary one?
[03:00] <Who_> ROAF: so I really ought to gett some love from nouvea?
[03:00] <RAOF> sarixe: Because it doesn't work.
[03:00] <Amaranth> oh, nouveau will totally break suspend too
[03:00] <sarixe> o
[03:00] <Who_> sarixe: breaks suspend - deal breaker
[03:01] <RAOF> Yeah.  I just thought of that.
[03:01] <Amaranth> so if that's your only problem with nvidia just use nvidia
[03:01] <Amaranth> the windows nvidia driver breaks suspend on my laptop :)
[03:01] <RAOF> Who_: Sorry, we're leading you down a rabbit hole; nouveau doesn't do suspend (but it's a GSoC project, IIRC).-
[03:01] <Amaranth> but it actually works in linux, surprisingly
[03:01] <Who_> Amaranth: and avoid suspending?
[03:01] <Amaranth> Who_: I guess
[03:02] <Who_> I had hoped that the increasing number of 'I fixed nvidia suspend' articles would work for me - is there a difinitive one somewhere, I can play about some more?
[03:02] <tannewt> anyone know why the mouse would not visibly move but X would track it?
[03:02] <Amaranth> Who_: you're using hardy?
[03:03] <Who_> Amaranth: gutsy
[03:03] <sarixe> awesome, i got samba working when i disabled guest access
[03:03] <Who_> Amaranth: no...  I do numbers faster than letters
[03:03] <Amaranth> 8.04 RC
[03:03] <Who_> Amaranth: yea - I am on 8.04 :)
[03:04] <Amaranth> Who_: Then I have no idea, all my suspend tricks stopped working/being needed in hardy
[03:04] <Who_> Hmmm. I know WUBI promises broken Hibernate - could my suspend issues be related to that and not the hardware?
[03:05] <Amaranth> You're using wubi?
[03:05] <Who_> (I used WUBI to installl)
[03:05] <Amaranth> Oh hell
[03:05] <Amaranth> You should not expect power management to work at all :)
[03:06] <RAOF> Amaranth: Oh, because the swap is difficult to find?
[03:06] <Amaranth> your filesystem is running in userspace
[03:06] <Amaranth> userspace, uh, stops running
[03:07] <Who__> grrr. I have a dodgy internet connection - sorry. Is there a way to see what I missed?
[03:08] <Amaranth> Who__: You should not expect any of this stuff to work in wubi
[03:08] <Amaranth> wubi is meant to test ubuntu, not use it long term
[03:08] <pestilence> ever since i upgraded from hardy beta to hardy RC, network-manager doesn't seem to be working very well...it takes a long time to reconnect the wireless after resume from suspend to ram, and it doesn't show wireless signal strength after reconnect
[03:08] <pestilence> how can i fix this?
[03:09] <Who__> Amaranth: I know. This is testing ;)
[03:12] <pestilence> oh yea, the applet shows my wireless connection as a wired connection after resume
[03:12] <pestilence> (before it shows it as a wireless connection with signal strength)
[03:14] <Spenc3> anyone know how can I trigger the SCIM on ubuntu? Seems like the Compiz-Fusion is catching all the key bindings before it hits SCIM, so I can't change my input method :(
[03:14] <Who__> Amaranth: would the noapic kernel parameter in grub be likely to help?
[03:14] <Amaranth> Who__: No
[03:14] <Amaranth> I real install of Ubuntu is likely to help
[03:14] <Amaranth> s/I/A/
[03:15] <RAOF> Who__: A problem is that your whole filesystem is being run by something in userspace, including your swap.  Which is a problem since, when you suspend, the kernel freezes everything in userspace...
[03:16] <bouma> could anyone help me, i cant find nvidia-settings, ive got the close new nvidia driver
[03:17] <RAOF> bouma: I'd suggest installing the nvidia-settings package, then.  It's been split from the rest of the driver package now.
[03:17] <bouma> RAOF: ah thanks
[03:17] <Who__> RAOF: makes sense... but my logs show the system _does_ come back from suspend, but then compiz and gdm segfault. I tried with only mentacity - but I haven't looked in detail at those logs - it failed, obviously...
[03:18] <jgoo> Hi everyone - sudo mii-tool returns no link
[03:18] <jgoo> however, this is only in Ubuntu - when I boot to the other OS the network works
[03:18] <Who__> RAOF: If it is the case that suspend should not be expected to work with Wubi then the FAQ should be updated - as many people will likely be using Wubi to decide whether to install... Right?
[03:19] <jgoo> so, does this mean that the network card isn't properly configured ? this is a new system, on board everything. During live session the network worked, only after install it doesn't
[03:19] <RAOF> Who__: Possibly.  It's also possible that the problem might be the nvidia driver assuming that it can write something out to swap, which is incorrect
[03:20] <jgoo> Interestingly it defaulted to 'roaming' mode when I booted up... isn't this a mode usually for wireless ? (embarrassingly if there is onboard wifi on this freakshow PC I don't even know about it)
[03:20] <RAOF> Who__: It's certainly worth mentioning on the Wubi page that Suspend/Hibernate may well not work.
[03:20] <Who__> RAOF: yea, I can see I'm in a pretty big pile of uncertainty :) I'll try and get some partitioning done and then try again
[03:21] <jgoo> What would be my next step - basically, I've checked that this cable does work (after replacing the connector anyway)
[03:21] <jgoo> sudo mii-tool returns not connected, I can set a static IP, but ping and arping fail.
[03:21] <Who__> Last question: The display looks really weird when it tries to come back on - backlight is on and it looks like the display has just been 'left' pathces of white emerge, lines, whatever. I was worried first time I saw it. Is that what others see, or just me?
[03:22] <RAOF> Who__: Just you, I think.   Thanks for the help.
[03:24] <jgoo> RAOF: Ok I will use network mangager to look at this - will that repoll the hardware? How can I ask ubuntu to remove and repoke around to find my network card?
[03:25] <RAOF> jgoo: You might want to work out what driver should be loaded, rmmod it and then re modprobe it?
[03:25] <jgoo> Also - can anyone verify that is I am given a 'Roaming' option, this is because it thinks my card is wireless?
[03:26] <RAOF> jgoo: No.  That's the default "autodetect everything" mode.
[03:26] <jgoo> RAOF, NetworkManager will help me find which driver? It says on this Debugging page that it won't
[03:26] <jgoo> aah ok, so that is for normal cards
[03:26] <gunashekar> you can roam wothout wirel.   ess too
[03:26] <jgoo> hrm.so 'no link' on an otherwise healthy card is usually the driver than?
[03:27] <jgoo> *then. So how do I work out the driver? modprobe will list them? I will man modprobe and read a bit
[03:28] <RAOF> jgoo: No idea; this has never been a problem for me.
[03:28] <RAOF> jgoo: So, lsmod will list the drivers currently loaded.
[03:28] <RAOF> jgoo: You may also wish to check dmesg to see if there's something obvious from your driver.
[03:29] <jgoo> ok thanks. Never been a problem for me either, in about 8 versions of linux, 4 of which ubuntu
[03:32] <Fritzel> where do you change pointer themes in gnome? I don't see it in appearance
[03:34] <jgoo> ok, lsmod gives me usual stuiff... snd, firewire, and ipv6
[03:34] <jgoo> that is the only network sounding thing on there, but hardly a device driver for a network card
[03:34] <jgoo> dmesg had nothing except a few lines about failing to reserve some memory space
[03:34] <wastrel> jgoo: do you see your card with lspci?
[03:34] <jgoo> 2tick
[03:35] <jgoo> Realtek Semiconductor... gigbit ethernet controller
[03:35] <Who_> So, suspend works with vesa and 'standby' not 'mem' for the standby mode -  and unlike nv, vesa does the normal working display stuff too :)
[03:36] <jgoo> wastrel, so lspci sees it - but I am not sure the driver is loaded, I'll google anyone else having problems with this in 8.04
[03:36] <wastrel> jgoo:  ok so use that to find the name of the kernel module that supports the card
[03:37] <Who_> Which is nice, I just have to live without Compiz - which I can surely manage :P. Amaranth, RAOF: thanks for your help. Are there any major limitations of using the vesa driver that I should know about, compositing aside?
[03:37] <wastrel> i miss compiz when i'm at work.
[03:37] <wastrel> ring switcher and the expose thing
[03:37] <Amaranth> Who_: No 2D acceleration
[03:37] <jgoo> wastrel, how would I do that? google? or just look for something that sounds like realtek?
[03:38] <RyanPrior> How come libflashsupport is no longer installed by default?
[03:39] <wastrel> jgoo: i would google for it with the specific version number and perhaps keywords like "kernel linux driver module"
[03:39] <wastrel> not necessarily all at once
[03:39] <RyanPrior> Being able to pause my media player and play a YouTube video is really central to my normal web browsing flow, so I really miss being able to play Flash audio via PulseAudio...
[03:39] <Who_> Amaranth: well, this laptop is _so_ much speedier than the alternative (1.4 Celeron vs 366 PII) that I think I'll cope :P
[03:39] <jgoo> sidenote: Google are really getting worse.
[03:39] <wastrel> there's probably a systematic way to find that sort of thing
[03:40] <jgoo> sidenote: I used to have to click the logo, then click google in english, then search, now it defaults to google in english, but ignores that on my results, now I need to click 3 times to get english only results!
[03:40] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: pulseaudio was updated to run on top of dmix
[03:40] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: So apps using alsa (like flash) don't need to be routed through pulse
[03:41] <jgoo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=538448
[03:41] <jgoo> Jackpot
[03:41] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: well, I uninstalled libflashsupport when it become auto-removable and my flash audio stopped working when I had Banshee playing. Kill banshee, flash audio plays -- and I reinstalled libflashsupport, and now I can have both at once.
[03:41] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: So this new system must be broken, I think.
[03:42] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: Or you didn't accept the pulseaudio config change
[03:42] <Amaranth> Or the pulseaudio package didn't get uploaded yet
[03:42] <crimsun> Amaranth: it hasn't been uploaded yet
[03:42] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: Assuming it's the first one, how would I go back and accept the config change?
[03:42] <jgoo> As of 27 May 2007, in kernel <IP_ADDRESS>, you may experience the issues with the r8169 driver if you dual boot Windows on some systems. Windows by defaults disables the NIC at Windows shutdown time in order to disable Wake-On-Lan
[03:43] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: It's the second one
[03:43] <Amaranth> jgoo: eww
[03:43] <crimsun> Amaranth: we're working very carefully over every corner case
[03:43] <jgoo> So windows is screwing the crap out of my machine... If this DAMN computer company had shipped a blank disk to me as I asked, this wouldn't be a problem!  Seems a little premature.
[03:43] <Amaranth> crimsun: Does that mean I can still get package updates into hardy too? :)
[03:43] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: It is not a final release, you should expect problems :)
[03:43] <jgoo> I feel dirty, Vista is installed in the same room as me.... must... grab... EM pulse device...
[03:44] <crimsun> RyanPrior: it's not at all premature.  This is a fairly major audio infrastructure change.
[03:44] <crimsun> Amaranth: probably ;-)
[03:44] <Amaranth> crimsun: Cool, because compiz cube is broken :)
[03:44] <RyanPrior> crimsun: It's been working great for weeks, though. It seems like waiting for Intrepid for a major audio restructuring might have been a little bet less premature. :-)
[03:44] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: Don't do that
[03:44] <wastrel> cube is broken?
[03:44] <icanhas> Amaranth: Cube is broken?
[03:45] <jgoo> OK, that is a gotcha... to fix my Ubuntu network... I have to enable wake on lan from windows... this is epic fail for windows...
[03:45] <Amaranth> Yes, cube is broken
[03:45] <num> if i wanted to use emerald do i have to add emerald --replace to the session manager?
[03:45] <Amaranth> It doesn't do a final damageScreen at the end of rotate so everything looks blurry
[03:45] <icanhas> Amaranth: oh.. just the plugin or some part of compiz? i'm fully updated and i'm not having an issue with it
[03:45] <Amaranth> In some conditions
[03:45] <icanhas> gotcha
[03:45] <wastrel> mmm blurry
[03:45] <Amaranth> this was a regression in 0.7.4 that got fixed a couple days after the release
[03:46] <crimsun> RyanPrior: it's not a restructuring.  It's an attempt to 1) prevent Flash from crashing Firefox so darned often; 2) effecting the change in PulseAudio to prevent a major regression from /every/ supported Ubuntu release to effect (1).
[03:46] <crimsun> RyanPrior: this is bug 192888 if you want to follow.
[03:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[03:46] <RyanPrior> crimsun: Thanks for the info, and for your willingness to work under so much deadline pressure!
[03:47] <Amaranth> I hate it when people are having temporary problems with something and their suggestion is to disable the thing because this is an LTS release
[03:47] <Amaranth> Or when a small handful of people are having a problem and they want to make the experience worse for everyone else so they won't have to deal with the problems
[03:48] <icanhas> Well someone has to make the decision.. and generally that person isn't getting paid to do it, heh.
[03:48] <jgoo> "Your browser is incompatible with the Heroku editor.Firefox 2 is currently the only supported browser. "
[03:48] <jgoo> I love that error message (except it exposes the fact that xchat opened iexplorer...)
[03:49] <Amaranth> jgoo: Heroku editor is about to lose all of its users
[03:49] <wastrel> what's heroku editor?
[03:49] <Amaranth> no clue
[03:49] <jgoo> haha :-) it is a hosted rails application server and online IDE for RoR
[03:50] <Amaranth> but if it doesn't work with FF3 it is dead
[03:50] <RyanPrior> Yup, the world is moving to IE7 and FF3.
[03:50] <jgoo> gotta try it, I like google apps (aftering hacking a JSON / javascript / google spreasheet / google base application of my own)
[03:50] <RyanPrior> Heroku Editor better get on the ball.
[03:50] <jgoo> Amaranth, I think it will work fine, they should put a + after 2
[03:52] <RyanPrior> Though, it will be interesting to see whether a WebKit-based browser ends up competing with IE and FF. (And hope it's not Safari!)
[03:53]  * DanaG is back now.
[03:53] <DanaG> Woah, WHO TOOK THAT PICTURE?
[03:53] <DanaG> http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/students/
[03:53] <DanaG> A ghost?
[03:54] <DanaG> (joking)
[03:54] <icanhas> DanaG: Celing Cat, obviously.
[03:54] <RAOF> RyanPrior: Maybe Epiphany? :)
[03:54] <RAOF> icanhas: You can train ferrets pretty well, too.
[03:55] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I think I figured out my compiz+azureus crash.  It's my NIC doing it.  Damn e1000.
[03:56]  * jgoo thinks all NICS should be put in their place
[03:56] <DanaG> I'm now using the USB ethernet adapter.
[03:56] <RyanPrior> RAOF: if Epiphany runs on Windows, maybe. If it's Gnome-only, it probably won't get serious market share anytime soon.
[03:56] <jgoo> I am going to buy a USB NIC and taunt my onboard with it
[03:56] <DanaG> MAC address somehow set itself to 30:01:00:00:00:00
[03:56] <DanaG> instead of
[03:56] <DanaG> the sticker says: 00:E0:98:7D:4C:7E
[03:57] <DanaG> damn pegasus.
[03:58] <wastrel> i know your mac address
[03:58] <RAOF> Much good may it do you.
[03:58] <Pelo> evening folks
[03:58] <jgoo> I am already hacking his lolcat collection and compositing it with rick astley facial images
[03:58] <jscinoz> Hmm
[03:58] <icanhas> There are pieces of software you can install on most routers to change your mac addy
[03:58]  * DanaG doesn't HAVE a lolcat collection.
[03:59] <icanhas> ....
[03:59] <jgoo> DanaG, You  *think* you don't have one... haha are you getting a surprise *tappity tap tap*
[03:59] <jscinoz> is it possible for the icedtea-gcjwebplugin to output sound at all?
[04:00] <jgoo> chances of my onboard ATI card supporting compiz? (with its 128mb shared ram... yes, I know, fail)
[04:00] <Pelo> I need little help with xorg.conf, I found this edit for my trackman marble fx mouse , it's suppose to work for gutsy , but I'm on hardy now and it causes my x to go ape and puts me back down to 800x640 ,  instead of just fixing the mouse,  I'm not even sure it fixed the mouse cause I haven't realy been able to try it out
[04:00] <Pelo> this is the fix  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=212946
[04:01] <user0423> help please... I just installed the rc and all of a sudden the nvidia drivers do not work
[04:01] <DanaG> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8888/  -- that's my other stuff collection.
[04:01] <Pelo> jgoo, with the binairy there is a chance, even with the restricted
[04:01] <DanaG> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-pictures-ermine-eats-bread.jpg
[04:01] <DanaG> Dis bread -- it ermine.
[04:02] <Pelo> user0423, donT' you have to change nvidia for nv in xorg.conf ?
[04:02] <Pelo> or is that the old thing
[04:02] <DanaG> RAOF: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rss-glx/+bug/129142
[04:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129142 in rss-glx "Really Slick Screensavers use 100% CPU" [Undecided,New]
[04:02] <jgoo> DanaG, what is gnump3d?
[04:02] <user0423> Pelo: when i change to the "nvidia" driver x locks up now
[04:03] <Pelo> user0423, that's probably not it then
[04:03] <DanaG> !info gnump3d
[04:03] <ubotu> gnump3d (source: gnump3d): A streaming server for MP3 and OGG files. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0-2 (hardy), package size 619 kB, installed size 2540 kB
[04:03] <jgoo> ok google would have helped there... /me quits to fix network
[04:03] <jgoo> thanks ;-)
[04:03] <DanaG> Remember that !info thingy.
[04:10] <balleyne> in attempting to upgrade from gutsy to the hardy release candidate, I have encountered a problem... After the download, just as the install was starting, I received an error message which said it couldn't continue and told me to run dpkg --configure -a. I ran it, nothing happened, then I stupidly did a apt-get upgrade
[04:10] <balleyne> now, when I run update-manager --devel-release, it tells me the tool doesn't support an upgrade from 'hardy' to 'gutsy'
[04:10] <balleyne> any advice? is there a way to revert?
[04:13] <danny> yo
[04:14] <danny> after installing hardy haron, and runnin the 480+ updates, my panels are gone, and i have no idea how to get 'em back :x
[04:16] <WaSrD> being virgin ubuntu 804 user....what should I expect to happen when I plug in a hot swap storage pair formated from longhorn x64 NTFS?
[04:17] <icanhas> WaSrD: generally speaking your brain melts
[04:17] <WaSrD> :P
[04:17] <WaSrD> lol
[04:17] <WaSrD> that's normal
[04:17] <icanhas> No, it should mount fine honestly
[04:18] <WaSrD> ok, so mounting tutorial link somewhere? I can't find much on raids :(
[04:18] <WaSrD> spent 6 hours yesterday trying to boot from raid pair with ubuntu
[04:18] <WaSrD> ended up with something....not sure what
[04:19] <WaSrD> appears to be jbod in stripe
[04:19] <WaSrD> so may have to wipe again when I do figure out how to install ubuntu onto raid pair properly
[04:20] <Spenc3> anyone know how can I trigger the SCIM on ubuntu? Seems like the Compiz-Fusion is catching all the key bindings before it hits SCIM, so I can't change my input method :(
[04:23] <balleyne> trouble upgrading from gutsy to hardy, and it won't let me run a partial upgrade (which update-manager suggests) because it says it doesn't "support an upgrade from 'hardy' to 'gutsy'"... anyone have any ideas?
[04:23] <Flannel> balleyne: try fixing it manually
[04:24] <balleyne> Flannel: what do you mean?
[04:24] <bullgard4> "~$ lsmod | grep 8139; 8139cp 24704 0; 8139too 27520 0." I would like to prevent that one of the 2 modules will be loaded because after a while after booting my computer looses its LAN connection. How to prevent 8139cp from being loaded at boot time?
[04:24] <bullgard4> (There is no modules.conf.)
[04:24] <Flannel> balleyne: double check your sources.list points to hardy stuff, then (assuming you have proper metapackages), sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:24] <RyanM> Has anyone happened to run into garbled soun dissues when upgrading from Gutsy?
[04:24] <jscinoz> *cries* swfdec is soooo close to being able to finally replace adobe's flashplugin.. but I cant get it to output sound via pulseaudio, is this possible? and if so how
[04:25] <phoul> Hey all, Is there a good way to disable services from running at boot, Im on the kde4 remix cd.
[04:25] <phoul> Im assuming it defaults to runlevel 4, So would i just chmod -x the ones i dont want running? Or...
[04:26] <balleyne> Flannel: ah, thanks! I tried apt-get upgrade and do-release-upgrade without any luck, but apt-get dist-upgrade seems to be running fine. Thanks!
[04:26] <DanaG> !info swfdec
[04:26] <ubotu> Package swfdec does not exist in hardy
[04:27] <RyanM> Nobody's hit that issue yet? :(
[04:27] <DanaG> I don't even HAVE a 'swfdec'
[04:28] <phoul> Anyone at all
[04:30] <kahrytan> Hello
[04:30] <kahrytan> What does everything think of Hardy thus far?
[04:31] <Some_Person> I am happy to say that I am impressed with the improvements in Hardy-RC.
[04:31] <jgoo> wow. when Microsoft screw something up, theyu go all out, no expense spared to make sure they really screw it up.
[04:32] <jgoo> Now WINDOWS doesn't even wake up the network card.
[04:32] <jgoo> Can anyone quote a security / power reason why Microsoft would basically control the network card and break dual boot? sheesh.
[04:32] <jgoo> or is this just a way of screwing up people's installs?
[04:32] <Some_Person> I am surprised and extremely happy that I no longer have the effects of the annoying nvidia-compiz bug causing white title bars
[04:32] <kahrytan> jgoo->  I've always had that problem in Windows.
[04:33] <kahrytan> jgoo->  It doesnt wake up my network card in XP
[04:33] <jgoo> According to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4586020 people are reinstalling XP just to fix this issue... wtf... ;_;l
[04:33] <jgoo> I just want to get on coding... it is 6:30 am
[04:34] <jgoo> :p
[04:34] <kahrytan> You must live on the otherside of the earth from me
[04:34] <kahrytan> 5:30pm here
[04:34] <Some_Person> 10:34 PM here
[04:35] <jgoo> Perhaps we are at antipodes... let's start stamping our feet at the frequency tesla used in his experiments and see if we can destroy the earth? muahahah
[04:35] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  East coast?
[04:35] <Some_Person> Texas
[04:35] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  Central time then?
[04:35] <Some_Person> yep
[04:35] <Iced_Eagle> West Coast is where it's at ;)
[04:35] <kahrytan> Some_Person-> Daylight is on?
[04:36] <Some_Person> yes]
[04:36] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  thanks ... We dont do DST here
[04:36] <DanaG> Sun Apr 20 20:36:29 PDT 2008
[04:36] <Some_Person> and i hate it because i have to set all my clocks, then 2 weeks later, they auto-set due to the old DST time, so I have to fix them
[04:36] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  No DST in Hawaii. No clock set backs
[04:37] <RyanM> Anybody have issues with garbled sound in Hardy?
[04:37] <Some_Person> DST is pointless. It should be taken away.
[04:37] <RyanM> Intel SDA card?
[04:37] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  then your governor.
[04:37] <DanaG> Whoever changed the date needs to be slapped.
[04:37] <DanaG> Multiple times.
[04:37] <DanaG> Very hard.
[04:37] <Some_Person> Rick Perry? He won't listen, he's a Republican.
[04:38] <kahrytan> Some_Person-> Hawaii Gov is repub but democrats love her.
[04:38] <DanaG> ... and then forced to try recording something during the OLD date change, on a VCR.
[04:38] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  and we shouldnt be talking politics.
[04:38] <Some_Person> Sorry, but I couldn't help it.
[04:38] <DanaG> DST is almost universally reviled, isn't it?
[04:38] <DanaG> By everybody except those who make the rules.
[04:38] <kahrytan> DanaG-> What is the purpose of DST?
[04:39] <Some_Person> DST was originally to give farmers more time to work.
[04:39] <Some_Person> But now it's just that annoying thing we have to deal with.
[04:39] <DanaG> To make people get up earlier and turn on their forced-air heaters, instead of staying in bed where it's warm.
[04:39] <kahrytan> like Labor day
[04:39] <DanaG> .... and thus "save energy?"
[04:39] <DanaG> Bull.
[04:40] <kahrytan> Now every state does DST so I am assuming states can change it.
[04:40] <Some_Person> Not every state.
[04:40] <kahrytan> yeah Not*
[04:40] <bullgard4> "~$ lsmod | grep 8139; 8139cp 24704 0; 8139too 27520 0." I would like to prevent that one of the 2 modules will be loaded because after a while after booting my computer looses its LAN connection. How to prevent 8139cp from being loaded at boot time?
[04:40] <bullgard4> (There is no modules.conf.)
[04:40] <kahrytan> http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=160 (The best hardy splash screen ever)
[04:41] <kahrytan> the top ones
[04:41] <DanaG> bullgard4: edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[04:41] <DanaG> add 'blacklist whatever_module_name' on a new line.
[04:41] <kahrytan> I know something Ubuntu could work on...
[04:41] <ethana2> kahrytan: NICE
[04:42] <kahrytan> Seemless transition between Usplash->GDM->Gnome
[04:42] <DanaG> Now try it on a CRT...
[04:42] <kahrytan> ethana2->  I like them too... I use red one. Orange one should be ubuntu default... that is login screens of same color
[04:42] <Some_Person> Usplash --> GDM looks better in Hardy
[04:42] <ethana2> I hate anything longer than green
[04:43] <Some_Person> GDM --> GNOME is not bad
[04:43] <ethana2> ..but I haven't figured out how to add theme stuff to my initial customization scipt
[04:43] <ethana2> script**
[04:43] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  I mean the transition period when one loads, other stops
[04:43] <wastrel> compiz just locked up on me
[04:43] <wastrel> ctrl-alt-backspace unresponsive
[04:44] <wastrel> rebooted
[04:44] <Some_Person> You mean make make it faster?
[04:44] <kahrytan> Some_Person-> No. In stead of black screens or solid colors, add a smoother transition period
[04:44] <kahrytan> Some_Person-> Kinda like *cough* Windows does.
[04:45] <Some_Person> Well like I said, they did improve the usplash --> GDM transition
[04:45] <Some_Person> But I still get a blinking _ for a short time
[04:45] <DanaG> wastrel: next time try alt-sysrq-k
[04:46] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  best way for GDM to Desktop is to load nautilus wallpaper behind  GDM
[04:46] <DanaG> I wish companies would give ACCELERATED FRAMEBUFFER!
[04:46] <DanaG> Can't do that on nvidia.
[04:46] <DanaG> I think you can do it on ATI, though.
[04:46] <wastrel> DanaG: there is zero chance i will remember that
[04:46] <Some_Person> I think it should all fade. GDM fades out, Wallpaper fades in
[04:46] <kahrytan> and ati doesnt work so nicely on linux
[04:46] <DanaG> Neither does nvidia.
[04:46] <DanaG> For me.
[04:46] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  i was thinking little more .. simplish
[04:47] <Some_Person> Remember, the background comes up before GDM, so you can't load the wallpaper first
[04:47] <ethana2> kernel mode setting will fix all this
[04:47] <ethana2> don't worry
[04:47] <DanaG> Best splash screen ever:
[04:47] <DanaG> throbber only.  Nothing else.
[04:47] <ethana2> Ibex will be perfectly polished from power up to power down
[04:47] <DanaG> .... i.e. as in Vista.
[04:47] <Spenc3> anyone know how can I trigger the SCIM on ubuntu? Seems like the Compiz-Fusion is catching all the key bindings before it hits SCIM, so I can't change my input method :(
[04:47] <DanaG> (I'm being facetious)
[04:47] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  I mean.. there must be some way to preload wallpaper while GDM is front.
[04:48] <Some_Person> I suppose you could load everything behind GDM, but that would use up a lot of RAM in lower end or legacy systems
[04:48] <Spenc3> anyone know how to get SCIM working when i have compiz-fusion on?
[04:48] <kahrytan> Some_Person-> Or after gdm is done, behind with default sesson load.
[04:48] <saminthemiddle> hey guys
[04:48] <kahrytan> *begin
[04:49] <Some_Person> Isn't that already what happens?
[04:49] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  Instead of stopping processing .. keep going
[04:49] <Some_Person> GDM ends, nautilus loads
[04:49] <kahrytan> Login first then desktop
[04:50] <Some_Person> I still think it should simply fade. I think that would eat up less RAM
[04:50] <bullgard4> DanaG: There does not exist /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist!
[04:51] <DanaG> Are you sure?
[04:51] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  that would require screenshot of gdm login and nautilus desktop.
[04:51] <DanaG> Fade through black?
[04:51] <bullgard4> DanaG: I have checked my statement using mc.
[04:51] <Some_Person> Why?
[04:51] <saminthemiddle> Some_Person: fading to black requires something to fade from
[04:52] <gusnan> Is there a graphical installer for Hardy?
[04:52] <saminthemiddle> Some_Person: kahrytan: unless of course it's using something like opengl
[04:52] <DanaG> usplash->black->gdm
[04:52] <kahrytan> gusnan->  yes
[04:52] <cwillu> gusnan, the live cd is a graphical installer
[04:52] <DanaG> Usplash does fadeout, gdm does fadein.
[04:52] <RAOF> Some_Person: Yeah, this sort of stuff is being discussed; as I understand it you require a composite manager as a part of GDM to make this work well.
[04:52] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  then you have to deal with restricted drivers.
[04:52] <gusnan> Ah, I was meaning like Debian's "installgui" option - non-live-cd using graphics.
[04:52] <DanaG> I wish nvidia would make a **** accelerated framebuffer driver.
[04:52] <Some_Person> well you don't want to force a composite manager on every user
[04:52] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: that and unfriendliness to laptop users
[04:53] <RAOF> Some_Person: Well, you might.  It's not like they're performance intensive.
[04:53] <saminthemiddle> Some_Person: forgive me, but what's the problem with taking a screenshot
[04:53] <Some_Person> Although, the background that comes up before GDM on my system fades in. How does that work?
[04:53] <kahrytan> Ubuntu only defaults open source software.
[04:53] <bullgard4> "~$ lsmod | grep 8139; 8139cp 24704 0; 8139too 27520 0." I would like to prevent that one of the 2 modules will be loaded because after a while after booting my computer looses its LAN connection. How to prevent 8139cp from being loaded at boot time?  (There is no modules.conf and no /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.)
[04:53] <RAOF> You would need some way of cleanly handing off from one CM to another, though.
[04:54] <DanaG> How can there be no 'blacklist' file?  Did you remove it?
[04:54] <DanaG> It's there on the default system.
[04:54] <Some_Person> RAOF: well, they are. some compiz effects are already not smooth on this system, and the darn compiz didnt even work well until hardy
[04:54] <DanaG> (It's not an executable.)
[04:54]  * DanaG force-quits every time he closes Firefox, because it takes too damn long.
[04:54] <kahrytan> Has anyone done about:config in firefox 3 yet?
[04:55] <RAOF> Some_Person: How about metacity?  How about xcompmgr?  xfce4?  kde?  Compiz performance is not necessarily indicative of compositors in general.
[04:55] <cwillu> kahrytan, about 7 months ago :p
[04:55] <RyanPrior> kahrytan: I have. Why?
[04:55] <nemo> hey folks, I'm still getting pinged by my oh-so-patient mom on the fact that Hardy broke her wireless...
[04:55] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/217809
[04:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217809 in linux "iwl3945 does not associate in Hardy" [Undecided,New]
[04:55] <Some_Person> "This might void your warranty"?
[04:55] <kahrytan> RAOF->  Metacity has compositor builtin in hardy now
[04:55] <nemo> anyway. I'm looking into how I can get more info into that bug
[04:55] <Some_Person> hmm, metacity works fine on my system
[04:55] <kahrytan> I found ff3 about config funny
[04:55] <RAOF> kahrytan: Yes, I know.  I'm not sure why you said that :)
[04:55] <Some_Person> kde I haven't extensively tried
[04:55] <nemo> I note that the kernel sources dump a lot more info with #ifdef CONFIG_IWLWIFI_DEBUG
[04:56] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: I have done it, but I didn't change anything
[04:56] <nemo> oops.
[04:56] <Some_Person> never tried xfce and never heard of xcompmgr
[04:56] <nemo> erm. ignore the ifdef :)
[04:56] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  worried you might void the warranty?
[04:56] <nemo> anyway. I was wondering what the package was to fetch a full set of kernel sources under ubuntu
[04:56] <Some_Person> kahrytan: metacity has compositing?
[04:56] <RAOF> nemo: linux-source
[04:56] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  yes
[04:56] <nemo> RAOF: thanks
[04:56] <RAOF> Some_Person: Yeah: /apps/metacity/general/comosite_manager
[04:56] <Some_Person> kahrytan: what does it do with it?
[04:56] <cwillu> Some_Person, kahrytan, metacity has a hacked version of xcompmgr build in
[04:57] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: I was planning on changing the location of the cache file to a ram disk, but then my friend noted that running more than one cache from more than one profile in the same directory was a security risk, so I mounted tmpfs systems on the various caches that firefox made
[04:57] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  small effects ..shadows ..transparency
[04:57] <cwillu> does server or client side compositing, basic fades, transparency and shadows
[04:57] <Some_Person> kahrytan: hmm, will look into it tomorrow
[04:57] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: firefox has a warantee :-P I want my money back
[04:57] <Some_Person> for now, goodnight, it's 11 PM
[04:57] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  You might want to change oneconfig to reflect FF RC
[04:57] <cwillu> most useful for no-effects at all though (avoiding redraws)
[04:57] <Some_Person> bye
[04:57] <RyanPrior> kahrytan: If you're running Hardy, it's literally a few mouseclicks to enable it.
[04:57] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: it's okay, it works the way I have it set up
[04:57] <DanaG> server? client?  How does that apply to compositing?
[04:57] <kahrytan> Metacity compositor is beta and slower then compiz
[04:58] <RyanPrior> kahrytan: that comment was directed at Some_Person, sorry.
[04:58] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: it's just to keep firefox from trashing my hard disk when it's in laptop mode
[04:58] <DanaG> spindown never works for me.
[04:58] <danny> how do i get to the compiz settings in hardy?
[04:58] <RAOF> kahrytan: Heh.  Depends on your drivers whether metacity is slower than compiz or not, basically.
[04:58] <DanaG> At least, if I set it to 5 seconds, or even 15 seconds, it never ever spins down.
[04:59] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle-> change this config in ff urlbar.maxrichresultsand reduce it to 6.
[04:59] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: what does that config do?
[04:59] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle-> urlbar.maxrichresults ... FF3 RC changed it. It' reduces numbe of live results in url bar
[04:59] <nemo> RAOF: hey. since you seem familiar. I installed linux backports out of hopes it would fix my iwl3945 issues
[04:59] <DanaG> wwwFREEEEEEZE.anFREEEEEEEEEEEEZEandtFREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZEtech.com
[04:59] <nemo> RAOF: was there anything further I needed to do?
[04:59] <DanaG> I hate that freezing.
[04:59] <jgoo> oh man. the whole point of buying that machine was to stop using this crappy dev machine, and port over - but I can't because Microsoft Vista, an OS I would never ever buy, was shipped on this machine by this crappy coimpany I told them not to use, and now I've disabled / enabled everything in vista to stop it screwing my network card but to no avail.
[05:00] <nemo> RAOF: linux backports would overwrite existing iwl3945 driver right?
[05:00] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  instead of the default 12 in url bar search, there is 6.
[05:00] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: oh, so that will save my disk by not looking up as many live results, huh?
[05:00] <RAOF> nemo: Yup.  That should be all you need to do.
[05:00] <jgoo> I am just going to bring in my laptop to the office, and screw it. they can let it gather dust
[05:00] <nemo> RAOF: durn then it didn't fix it :-/
[05:00] <T1m0thy> Is the FF flash problem fixed yet? :|
[05:00] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle-> it will tell ff not to do so many results
[05:00] <jgoo> 4gb ram, 4400+ dual core pile of unusable malware
[05:00] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: but I don't mind lots of results
[05:01] <DanaG> IFREEEEEZE do mFREEEEEEZEind the freezing.
[05:01] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  just saying, Firefox 3 RC changed it to 6.
[05:01] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: what I don't like is FF waking my disk every time I load a webpage, and it's not a problem anymore because I made the cache in a tmpfs partition
[05:01] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: I see, so I should expect a change. Thanks
[05:02] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  turn off cache?
[05:02] <nemo> RAOF: also. an odd thing.  $ ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko
[05:02] <nemo> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-04-10 13:13 /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko
[05:02] <nemo> oops. didn't mean to include ls -l
[05:02] <nemo> and -rw-r--r-- 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-04-11 09:11 /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/ubuntu/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko
[05:02] <nemo> both of these have timestamps from over 10 days ago
[05:02] <nemo> 1) I installed the linux backports yesterday
[05:03] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: not a good idea to turn off the cache, the cache really is good to have. When you are browsing a website most of the content is static anyway. It really does increase surfing speed to have a cache. Besides, it's good manners as it doesnt stress the hosts bandwith as much
[05:03] <DanaG> backports has a new iwl3945.
[05:03] <nemo> 2) I thought the 2.6.24-16 linux backports was released later
[05:03] <nemo> DanaG: really?? so I *am* out of date!
[05:03] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle-> Someone did same that there is a way to change profile location
[05:03] <DanaG> New iwl3945 only matters for enterprise-level security, I hear.
[05:04] <DanaG> firefox -ProfileManager
[05:04] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan; yeah, you don't want to change the location of the entire profile though
[05:04] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: remember, you don't want your bookmarks and such to go bye-bye every time your reboot ;-P
[05:04] <nemo> DanaG: well, WPA-PSK hasn't worked for me since iwl3945
[05:04] <nemo> DanaG: actually, I believe my experiments with WEP failed too
[05:05] <nemo> DanaG: dude in the  bug said linux-backports-modules-2.6.24-16-generic  fixed his issue, getting my hopes up
[05:05] <DanaG> I have wpa2 with AES, and it works for me.
[05:05] <DanaG> dd-wrt router.
[05:05] <nemo> DanaG: WPA, not WPA2
[05:05] <DanaG> And backports-modules is installed.
[05:05] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: don't worry about it, I fixed the problem by adding a line in my /etc/fstab creating a tmpfs in the Cache directory in my Firefox profile
[05:05] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: now firefox doesn't wake the drive. Except when it's just been opened and still loading libries and other stuff
[05:05] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  share that with everyone else
[05:05] <nemo> DanaG: I could try dropping to WEP, but I don't think it helped.
[05:05] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan
[05:06] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: sure, I'll do that
[05:06] <DanaG> Hmm, try manually setting "encryption type"
[05:06] <nemo> hm. says I'm already up to date on linux-backports-modules-2.6.24-16-generic
[05:06] <DanaG> That is, AES-CCMP or TKIP
[05:06] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  Some one else might want same thing
[05:06] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: well, I'm working on a big how-to on making Ubuntu play nice with a laptop. It will be part of that
[05:06] <nemo> DanaG: in /etc/networks/interfaces ?
[05:07] <nemo> DanaG: or on the router?
[05:07] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  every use google sync?
[05:07] <nemo> DanaG: I think it is TKIP on the router
[05:07] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: to give you a preview, I brought my laptop's power consumption down from 20W to 12W
[05:07] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: nope, what's google sync?
[05:07] <kahrytan> Oh crap ... I cant use ff3
[05:07] <DanaG> Are you using networkmanager?
[05:07] <DanaG> I am, and it works through there.
[05:07] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: fore more reasons that that it's super unstable with flash?
[05:08] <kahrytan> Google toolbar/sync dont work in FF3
[05:08] <nemo> DanaG: I try to. however ubuntu hardy has completely broken network manager for remote admin
[05:08] <nemo> DanaG: is unusable using ssh -YC or nxclient
[05:08] <DanaG> No ncurses UI for it.  Sucks.
[05:08] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  Google Sync is bookmark sync between computers/oses
[05:08] <balleyn1> sound problems after upgrade to Hardy... not quite sure how to diagnose the problem or where to start. Any suggestions?
[05:08] <nemo> DanaG: that stupid stupid polkit
[05:08] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: I could do 10W if it weren't for a bug that got introduced in Hardy that prevents the backlight on my computer from going down below 20% (I filed a bug report on that one)
[05:08] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: nope, I just use this computer. it's a laptop
[05:09] <nemo> DanaG: lemme see if my mom will let me through on vnc :-/
[05:09] <DanaG> saminthemiddle: I tweaked my dsdt to replace the lowest brightness level with zero.
[05:09] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: and I use a Dvorak keyboard too, hate using other people's computers because of it :-P
[05:09] <nemo> DanaG: anyway. were you referring to a setting in network-manager or on the router?
[05:09] <DanaG> My screen is so dim, I can see it better in direct sunlight than in the shade.
[05:09] <DanaG> In NM.
[05:09] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: do tell how
[05:09] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  call me quirky but i prefer qwerty.
[05:09] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: yes, that is one of the reasons I want to tweak mine
[05:10] <DanaG> It should ask for key somewhere, and there's the "encryption type"  (default is Automatic)
[05:10] <bullgard4> "~$ lsmod | grep 8139; 8139cp 24704 0; 8139too 27520 0." I would like to prevent that one of the 2 modules will be loaded because after a while after booting my computer looses its LAN connection. How to prevent 8139cp from being loaded at boot time?  (There is no modules.conf and no /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.)
[05:10] <DanaG> !find /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[05:11] <ubotu> No packages matching '/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist' could be found
[05:11] <DanaG> !find blacklist
[05:11] <ubotu> No packages matching 'blacklist' could be found
[05:11] <DanaG> !/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[05:11] <balleyn1> anyone able to help me with sound issues in hardy? (not sure where to start really...)
[05:11] <DanaG> WTF?  It's been there on 100% of Ubuntu computers I've ever used.
[05:11] <homeslice> my pulseaudio only works with one device at a time, so If I'm using rhthymbox I can't hear anything from a WINE application.  any suggestions?
[05:12] <magnus|msc> hi
[05:12] <bullgard4> DanaG: Yes. Me too. But in Hardy it's different.
[05:12] <DanaG> It's still there for me in Hardy.
[05:12] <DanaG> what IS in modprobe.d
[05:12] <DanaG> ?
[05:13] <mohamed_> install gnome application on kubuntu and the opposite this normal or can affect the system ?
[05:13] <magnus|msc> is there something in 2.6.24 reducing the ram ??
[05:13] <saminthemiddle> homeslice: make sure that all the apps are using the sound server, the sound server is just like any other app when it comes to the alsa layer or whatever you are using for sound contol. Without the mixer (pulse audio, in this case) your devices can only run a single source at a time. Therefore if another app is occupying the device pulse audio can not. Thus it will seem that you can only run one of the apps at a time thou
[05:13] <saminthemiddle> gh the pulse audio sound server
[05:14] <balleyn1> mohamed_: you can install GNOME apps in KDE and vice versa, if that's what you're asking, but it'll install all the appropriate libraries if you don't have them already
[05:15] <edoceo> Is it possible to rename my user?
[05:15] <edoceo> My account is now 'alan' and I want it to be 'bill'
[05:15] <saminthemiddle> DanaG, when you modified your DSDT file, did it stay permanent? I notice that my DSDT file is in /proc and that clears on each reboot
[05:15] <mohamed_> balleyn1,  this is what i'm asking for , only i ask to know if this can affect performance ?
[05:16] <saminthemiddle> edoceo: you can change the long name easily but the short name is hard to do
[05:16] <DanaG> You have to copy it somewhere, dissemble it with iasl, edit it, recompile it (iasl -sa), and then copy to:
[05:16] <DanaG> /etc/initramfs-tools/DSDT.aml
[05:16] <DanaG> Yes, caps.  Odd.
[05:16] <edoceo> So whats the hard way?
[05:16] <cwillu> mohamed_, you'll increase disk usage (which won't matter at all to most people), and you'll also be using a bit more memory
[05:16] <edoceo> Single user mode, rename directory, had edit passwd and shadow?
[05:16] <DanaG> ô˛ô
[05:16] <magnus|msc> edoceo: you can simply add a new user and move the home directory i think
[05:16] <saminthemiddle> edoceo: you might break stuff, the best way to do it is to make a new user and cp over your files
[05:16] <edoceo> That freaking easy?
[05:16] <edoceo> !?
[05:17] <edoceo> brb....
[05:17] <saminthemiddle> DanaG, thanks. Big help, I hope the Ubuntu team fixes the problem though.
[05:17] <mohamed_> thx, balleyn1 , cwillu
[05:17] <DanaG> bug 121833
[05:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[05:17] <DanaG> A shame it gets the percentages wrong.
[05:18] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  i guess that bug DanaG  pointed is for you.?
[05:18] <DanaG> yeah.  That's the issue I've had.
[05:18] <balleyn1> anyone able to help me diagnose sound issues in Hardy? (I have no sound)
[05:19] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: no, that's not my problem. My issue is the backlight *won't* turn off. And DanaG gave me the solution to it (I hope)
[05:19] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  do you use compiz on laptop?
[05:19] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: god no, compiz takes too much power
[05:19] <DanaG> saminthemiddle: you can also try installing kde-guidance-powermanager
[05:19] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  I figured as much
[05:19] <DanaG> It's much smarter about brightness.
[05:20] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: the KDE power manager? I even tried xbacklight and that won't even turn down the light
[05:20] <doofy_> how do i choose which track my computer records from by default?
[05:20] <DanaG> Odd.  Does it not change levels, or does it just not turn off on lid close?
[05:20] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: it will turn it down to a level but then won't go down past 20%
[05:20] <nemo> DanaG: oh. hey. um. I was using network-admin - the default gnome tool
[05:20] <DanaG> Odd.
[05:21] <nemo> I suppose network-manager is the applet that calls that?
[05:21] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: hold on, let me look up my bug
[05:21] <DanaG> That thing is not the same as networkmanager.
[05:21] <DanaG> But networkmanager has no console UI.
[05:21] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  I dont want a laptop
[05:22] <nemo> DanaG: erm. ok...
[05:22] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: the bug I have is #218712
[05:22] <DanaG> bug 218712
[05:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218712 in ubuntu "Backlight brightness on Lenovo R61 won't go all the way down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218712
[05:22] <nemo> DanaG: how do I get network manager? open for any options.  I also checked in wifi-radar - no option to set encryption type
[05:22] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  How long does the battery last currently?
[05:23] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: a little over four hours on my R61 with a 6-cell
[05:23] <DanaG> Odd.  I don't know what to do, then.
[05:23] <DanaG> saminthemiddle: try unloading 'video' to let just the thinkpad-acpi module work.
[05:23] <nemo> hum. well. let me at least try changing the encryption type on the router. can't hurt to give that a shot I suppose
[05:23] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  you want more eh?
[05:23] <DanaG> Oh, and the reason for the "100 100 20 25 ..." is this: the first two are default brightness when on battery and AC, respectively.
[05:23] <nemo> can also try WEP
[05:24] <nemo> again
[05:24] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: unloading video? I don't have a video module loaded
[05:24] <DanaG> 'video' -- it's an ACPI module.
[05:24] <DanaG> Not a video driver.
[05:24] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: I do all day computing when off the grid: I'm thinking of getting an additional 3-cell ultrabay battery or a 9-cell main
[05:25] <nemo> durn. don't think this router lets me set the encryption to anything but TKIP
[05:25] <DanaG> I don't know what to do, then.
[05:25] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: oh, thanks, how do I unload the video module of ACPI
[05:25] <DanaG> I've had one router that simply REFUSED to give me an IP address.  Ever.
[05:25] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  which bigger one be better?
[05:25] <DanaG> saminthemiddle: sudo modprobe -r video
[05:25] <Xaroon> hello
[05:25] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: here goes nothing
[05:26] <nemo> DanaG: no dhcp I could work around. is more the issue with all the driver errors in dmesg that keep me from even getting that far :-/
[05:26] <Xaroon> ubuntu 8.04 MSI S430 notebook support ?
[05:26] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: they both give the same amount of life, but 6+9 is bigger than 6+3 if you don't mind carrying a loose spare
[05:27] <kahrytan> Xaroon-> better question is .. does linux support the chipset
[05:27] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: now it won't set the brightness at all, let me edit the /sys file directly
[05:27] <DanaG> aah.
[05:27] <DanaG> You could also try 'sudo modprobe video no_automatic_changes=0"
[05:28] <kahrytan> Im gonna have to switch to FF 2 cuz of Google's slowness in bring their extentions to FF3 standard
[05:28] <kahrytan> extensions
[05:28] <phynix> anyone else had a problem updating compiz. I keep getting size mismatch whenever I try to update
[05:28] <saminthemiddle> DanaG, all that did was to make the screen brightness change slowly...
[05:29] <atlef> kahrytan: which extension?
[05:29] <sparr_> why are there xmms-* packages but no xmms package?
[05:29] <sparr_> we have xmms2 and xmms2-foo, and xmms-foo, but no just plain xmms
[05:29] <DanaG> Odd.  I don't know what to do, then.
[05:29] <kahrytan> atlef->  toolbar/sync
[05:29] <DanaG> The only thing left is mucking with the dsdt.
[05:29] <atlef> kahrytan: oh, for gmail and such?
[05:30] <kahrytan> atlef->  ewww  i hate gmail.
[05:30] <atlef> kahrytan: ok, thought you meant google toolbar
[05:30] <kahrytan> atlef-> The interface is ummm drab and dull. Y! mail or Live mail excels over google in web based mail interfaces
[05:31] <kahrytan> atlef->  I said Google Toolbar and Sync. Not Gmail.
[05:31] <atlef> kahrytan: Y!mail, yay
[05:31] <atlef> kahrytan: ok
[05:31] <DanaG> But they seriously do need to re-add the 0% option.
[05:31] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: thanks, I'm going to muck with the DSDT. Do you know if it's supposed to go all the way down in the first place? I know that in Ubuntu 7 I could use xbacklight to bring it down to 10% which was perfect for lecture halls and dropped the power I needed by about 2 watts. I would like to get those watts back :-P
[05:32] <DanaG> As it is now, it reports the WRONG numeric percentages.
[05:32] <kahrytan> atlef->  Y! mail interface is nice.
[05:32] <sparr_> uhm, wtf
[05:32] <sparr_> where is xmms in hardy?!?
[05:32] <kahrytan> sparr_->  use audacious?
[05:32] <sparr_> no.
[05:32] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: so you think it's one of those "features"
[05:32] <kahrytan> sparr_->  its the same thing
[05:32] <atlef> kahrytan: just make sure you have separate profiles, as ff3 can screw with your ff2
[05:32] <DanaG> It's probably related to my bug 121833
[05:32] <sparr_> no, it's not
[05:32] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: they keep adding features and I'm going to switch to Gentoo
[05:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[05:32] <saminthemiddle> bug 121833
[05:32] <kahrytan> sparr_->  Audacious is a fork of XMMS. All skins and plugins work in it
[05:33] <DanaG> They've now hard restricted it to those brightness levels reported in the dsdt.
[05:33] <DanaG> And now it gives WRONG numeric values!
[05:33] <kahrytan> atlef->  ubuntu does that
[05:33] <DanaG> 100, 85, 71, 57, 42, 28, 14, 0
[05:33] <DanaG> Real levels: 100, 87, 75, 67, 50, 37, 25, 12
[05:34] <DanaG> 42 is not 50!
[05:34] <DanaG> And 12 is not zero!
[05:34] <atlef> kahrytan: i have finally accepted ff3, after finding substitutes for some of my extensions
[05:34] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: I see, sounds like a "feature" to me. I noticed another "feature" is they removed optical disks from the "media devices" preferences in Gnome. Now I have to deal with Rhythmbox opening every time I want to play a CD
[05:34] <nickrud> 42 is more meaningful, however
[05:34] <DanaG> saminthemiddle: now that stuff is in Nautilus
[05:34] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: thanks
[05:34] <DanaG> It's not correct.
[05:34] <kahrytan> atlef->  I use Google Sync .. I dont trust anyone else with my bookmarks
[05:34] <sparr_> wtf
[05:34] <sparr_> a linux release without xmms
[05:34] <DanaG> 42 is not what's given in the dsdt.
[05:34] <sparr_> that's...
[05:34] <sparr_> unreal
[05:34] <DanaG> And 12% is not 'off'
[05:34] <nickrud> DanaG sorry, that's the meaning of life :)
[05:35] <atlef> kahrytan: ah, so that's what it is for
[05:35] <DanaG> Zero implies 'off' to me.
[05:35] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ apt-get install xmms
[05:35] <DanaG> 20 ≠ 0.
[05:35] <Daisuke_Ido> sparr_, since xmms is...  obsolete?  it's not such a bad thing
[05:35] <atlef> oohh, sunrise
[05:35] <kahrytan> atlef-> and many others things i dont use
[05:35] <sparr_> saminthemiddle: no longer exists
[05:35] <DanaG> And there's no way to actually GET zero.
[05:35] <sparr_> saminthemiddle: gone in hardy
[05:35] <goodhabit> Hello. When I am using media keys for changing vilume (with nice indicator) sound changes, but not that in tray, how to fix it?
[05:35] <DanaG> xmms is long dead and obsolete.
[05:35] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ beep media player replaced it after xmms went depricated
[05:35] <kahrytan> Audacious is XMMS replacement
[05:36] <DanaG> My only valid use for xmms: tone generator.
[05:36] <atlef> kahrytan: couldn't you use greasemonkey scripts?
[05:36] <kahrytan> atlef->  I never understood how that worked
[05:36] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: I need a tone generator: more like a whitenoise generator
[05:36] <atlef> kahrytan: or am i way of
[05:36] <sparr_> long dead?
[05:36] <sparr_> xmms had a release like 5 months ago
[05:36] <DanaG> saminthemiddle: there's speaker-test
[05:36] <sparr_> that's nothing unusual
[05:36] <atlef> kahrytan: i can take a look
[05:36] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: heh, misappropriating applications, thanks
[05:37] <kahrytan> atlef->  what?
[05:37] <edoceo> So, copied my account to a new name and tada!  I'm back baby
[05:37] <kahrytan> sparr_->  why not use XMMS forkA?
[05:38]  * DanaG uses quodlibet
[05:38] <DanaG> It's one of the few apps to still have working media-control keys.
[05:38] <edoceo> Only, the startup programs are asking to be run as the previous user...
[05:38] <atlef> kahrytan: seems no one has written a script for google sync
[05:38] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ oh, by the way, you might want to look into Quod Libet, best_media_player_ever
[05:38] <DanaG> .... except when it stops showing any files.
[05:39] <sparr_> saminthemiddle: or i might want to look into xmms
[05:39] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quodlibet/+bug/155348
[05:39] <sparr_> kahrytan: there are many xmms forks.  i dont want them.  i want xmms.
[05:39] <DanaG> Rather annoying.
[05:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155348 in quodlibet "Filesystem browser stops listing files with GtkWarning" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[05:39] <kahrytan> sparr_->  why>?
[05:39] <mc-george> Hi there, I can't seem to install vmware on ubuntu
[05:39] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ suit yourself, but if you have lots and lots of media like I do, it really helps to have regex search capability
[05:39] <mc-george> I'm trying to follow this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=748715 but it won't work
[05:40] <sparr_> up until today i could count the number of audio files i had played on my PC on one hand
[05:40] <saminthemiddle> DanaG; huh, I haven't suffered that bug
[05:40] <kahrytan> atlef->  Google should their extensions w/ RC release
[05:40] <kahrytan> should have*
[05:40] <mc-george> hello?
[05:40] <DanaG> It started happening once I selected a "collection" folder.
[05:40] <saminthemiddle> DanaG; must be becasue I don't use filesystem view. The whole point of Quod Libet is to use tag sorting. At least for me
[05:41] <DanaG> Better way to describe the point:
[05:41] <DanaG> It's to let people CHOOSE either way!@
[05:41] <DanaG> I like filesystem view.
[05:41] <saminthemiddle> mc-george: vmware is crunk, try KVM and QEMU
[05:41] <mc-george> are they just as easy?
[05:41] <kahrytan> sparr_->  Why mustyou use XMMS?
[05:41] <mc-george> is there a guide for hardy to use windows vistually?
[05:42] <mluser_> any other hardy gamers having problems running world of warcraft with the latest ati driver updates?
[05:42] <saminthemiddle> me-george: super easy and much much faster, as KVM gives you hardware accelerated processor emulation
[05:42] <mc-george> saminthemiddle, is there a guide?
[05:42] <DanaG> No mouse integration.  :(
[05:42] <saminthemiddle> mluser_ there is WOW for ubuntu?!!
[05:42] <mluser_> saminthemiddle: running under wine..
[05:42] <sparr_> kahrytan: why NOT?
[05:43] <saminthemiddle> mc-george: yeah, google it, I lost my bookmark for the guide I used, sorry
[05:43] <kahrytan> sparr_->  There is better choices, ihmo
[05:43] <kahrytan> imho
[05:43] <saminthemiddle> mc-george; but it's only a few commands so it's super duper easy
[05:43] <mc-george> saminthemiddle, am I only installing one or both?
[05:43] <saminthemiddle> mluser_ oh
[05:43] <RAOF> mc-george, saminthemiddle: Or you can use virt-manager, and have a nice GUI around it.
[05:44] <sparr_> saminthemiddle: i have lots and lots of media.  not to get into an e-peen fight, but probably more than most people... but i never use it.  i have a terabyte of porn that ive never watched, and as much music that ive never listened to.  i just decided a few minutes ago that im going to start playing some music while i code, and i went to install xmms, and it wasnt there
[05:44] <DanaG> So, what makes xmms special?
[05:44] <saminthemiddle> mc-george: both, just do what the guide says. KVM and QEMU are complemary. I don't think KVM works w/o QEMU but QEMU works w/o KVM as long as you don't need the hardware acceleration
[05:44] <sparr_> it's been something like 8 years since i used an audio player, and xmms is what im used to
[05:44] <Jawshie> Hello everybody!
[05:44] <mc-george> saminthemiddle, I can't find the guide
[05:45] <sparr_> and yes, i get the Bleep and Audacious are forks with as many and more features
[05:45] <RAOF> mc-george: You want the virt-manager and libvirt-bin packages.
[05:45] <sparr_> but we are beyond that point in the discussion
[05:45] <sparr_> now it's the principle of the matter
[05:45] <sparr_> why NOT xmms?
[05:45] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ wow, that's a lot of porn...
[05:45] <sparr_> not really
[05:45] <RAOF> sparr_: because it's gtk 1.2 :P
[05:45] <mc-george> raof: thats all, then insert xp cd?
[05:45] <Jawshie> I just set up the RC for 8.04 and installed it as LTSP. I tried to connect other machines to it and it works, it gets an IP and starts with a Ubuntu loading screen but then goes to something called Busybox. I was under the impression that it would work out of the box. What do I need to do to get a desktop on my diskless machine?
[05:45] <voidmage> figures, the day apport is turned off, firefox segfaults like 8 times
[05:45] <voidmage> :P
[05:45] <sparr_> ive got ten times that on CDs.  i had nothing better to do in college than apply 20 megabit of pipe to a site-local usenet server  :)
[05:46] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ because XMMS is one more package that the devs have to maintain and it has been obsolete for years after it has been abandoned. Other projects have taken over for XMMS where it left off (and are decentants) such as Beep Media Player
[05:46] <RAOF> mc-george: Then you'll want to insert the XP cd, and start Applications->System Tools->Virtual machine manager.
[05:46] <mc-george> ok, thanks
[05:46] <sparr_> saminthemiddle: nix "abandoned".  as mentioned already, xmms had a release less than six months ago.  i can name some distros that havent had releases since then...  :)
[05:47] <RAOF> mc-george: Select the "localhost" entry (because you can also administer remote VMs), and hit the "new" button.  You'll get a nice druid to guide you through the process of creating your VM.
[05:47] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ and if you want XMMS so much that you absolutely must have it even though it's an unmaintaned piece of garbage at this point. There's this cool program called GCC.
[05:47] <mc-george> raof, thanks
[05:47] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ it's still obsolete
[05:48] <mc-george> raof: I put the cd and went to the manager, now what?
[05:48] <kahrytan> sparr_->  Why don't you talk to xmms developers and get them to produce a hardy package
[05:49] <kahrytan> sparr_->  or do it yourself
[05:49] <sparr_> its still packaged for debian
[05:49] <sparr_> the debian package maintainer was the gutsy package maintainer
[05:49] <NotSure> Hi, Anyone know what pkg. name to look in synaptics for app. named LSongs (CD PLayer - & Burner) - Can't find it under a search of "lsongs"?
[05:49] <mc-george> raof?
[05:49] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ so use Debian
[05:49] <kahrytan> talk to -motd then and stop complaining.
[05:49] <RAOF> mc-george: You want to select the 'locahost (user)' thing there.
[05:49] <NotSure> Did google serach not coming up with much.
[05:50] <mc-george> raof: i don't see that
[05:50] <RAOF> mc-george: Double clicking on it will 'connect' to it.
[05:50] <RAOF> mc-george: ... oh.
[05:50] <RAOF> mc-george: Have you installed libvirt-bin?
[05:50] <mc-george> raof: I don't see anything to connect to
[05:50] <mc-george> raof: yes
[05:50] <sparr_> im going to email him and ask why he is abandoning ubuntu  :(
[05:51] <RAOF> mc-george: Hm.  Try running "sudo /etc/init.d/libvirt-bin start".
[05:51] <mc-george> raof: done
[05:51] <RAOF> mc-george: Something showing up in vitual machine manager now?
[05:51] <mc-george> raof: no
[05:52] <kahrytan> sparr_->  Debian packager?
[05:52] <RAOF> mc-george: :(
[05:52] <RAOF> mc-george: Maybe try restarting, although that's really silly :(
[05:52] <RAOF> sparr_: xmms is removed from Sid.
[05:52] <mc-george> raof: I went to the option to make a new host, its working
[05:52] <RAOF> Heh, OK.
[05:52] <kahrytan> RAOF-> that would explain the missing xmms.
[05:53] <RAOF> Yes, it would, wouldn't it :)
[05:53] <kahrytan> RAOF->  Since Ubuntu imports from debian
[05:53] <cwillu> sparr_, I might note that slackware ditched xmms
[05:53] <RAOF> The great gtk 1.2 purge is nearly complete.
[05:53] <mc-george> raof: it won't let me select the cd
[05:53] <sparr_> RAOF: hmm, that news has not reached my debian box yet...
[05:53] <saminthemiddle> RAOF, kahrytan: when Debian abandons it, it's freaking obsolete :-P
[05:54] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  I use Audacious .. XMMS port
[05:54] <RAOF> sparr_: It never will.  Just because it's no longer in the archives doesn't mean that dpkg will magically uninstall it.
[05:54] <RAOF> sparr_: But if you install a new Sid you won't be able to install xmms.  Oh, unless you're on kfreebsd, apparently.
[05:54] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: I use Quod Libet, but if I were to use an XMMS type of player I would use BMP.   I've never actually installed from CD - I've always been installing Debian netinst isos :)
[05:55] <sparr_> RAOF: well, im more thinking of future library upgrades causing it to break, and a new version not being available
[05:55] <mc-george> raof: ok
[05:56] <kahrytan> Back
[05:56] <RAOF> sparr_: Heh. gtk1.2 library updates?  That'll soon be in the same boat ;)
[05:56] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  So .. do you program?
[05:56] <RAOF> mc-george: I seem to recall some form of bug report about this;  maybe you should browse launchpad?
[05:56] <sparr_> sounds like a package in need of a maintainer...
[05:56] <sparr_> ive been looking to adopt a package, this might be the right time
[05:56] <mc-george> raof: I'm downloading a xp sp2 iso now
[05:57] <RAOF> sparr_: What, gtk 1.2?  There's a big push to get rid of that from Debian, too.
[05:57] <kahrytan> sparr_->  Adopt it for Debian.
[05:57] <RAOF> mc-george: Don't you have a CD there?  Just pull that iso off the disc :)
[05:57] <Andre_Gondim>  witch language pack, may I change to translation channel source?
[05:57] <mc-george> raof: its an nLited disc
[05:58] <sparr_> RAOF: xmms
[05:58] <RAOF> sparr_: It'll involve porting xmms to gtk+ 2.
[05:58] <sparr_> or adopting gtk1.2 as well
[05:59] <DanaG> Why bother? Seriously, why "MUST" you have xmms and nothing else?
[05:59] <sparr_> because i like it
[05:59] <sparr_> nostalgia, if nothing else
[05:59] <RAOF> sparr_: No.  gtk1.2 is *going away*.
[05:59] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: because sparr_ is a fanboy who likes complaining
[06:00] <sparr_> RAOF: libraries should never go away because of age
[06:00] <sparr_> that just makes building old shit even harder
[06:00] <DanaG> But gtk1 is fugly under any modern desktop.
[06:01] <nemo> DAMMIT ALL TO HELL
[06:01] <nemo> figured out what the friggen problem was with wifi
[06:01] <RAOF> nemo: Killswitch?
[06:03] <sparr_> or i guess i can just use audacious
[06:03] <saminthemiddle> nemo: well, don't leave us hanging, what was it?
[06:03] <sparr_> but im still angry
[06:03] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ :'(
[06:03] <kahrytan> sparr_->   Yeah .. come over to Audacious side.
[06:03] <sparr_> on a high note, audacious is surprisingly fast to add 27000 files to the playlist through recursive directories  :)
[06:04] <cwillu> saminthemiddle, don't be sad, just dump him in your ignore file where he belongs :p
[06:04] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ :''''''(
[06:04] <sparr_> now, an experiment in chance...
[06:04] <sparr_> how long until i hear something that ive heard (elsewhere) before
[06:04] <saminthemiddle> cwillu: oh, I'm just being nasty at this point
[06:04] <kahrytan> sparr_->  shuffle mode?
[06:04] <sparr_> yes, but i said elsewhere
[06:04] <sparr_> like, on the radio
[06:05] <sparr_> ive heard a few hundred different songs on the radio
[06:05] <sparr_> and most of them are on this playlist
[06:05] <cwillu> I have nothing against nostalgia, I'm playing railroad tycoon deluxe right now in dosbox :p
[06:05] <sparr_> im more a transport tycoon guy.  especially now that OpenTTD is really starting to shine
[06:05] <sparr_> and available on handhelds  :)
[06:08] <kahrytan> Firefox 3 doesnt have Google support
[06:08] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: what do you mean?
[06:09] <kahrytan> no Toolbar
[06:09] <sparr_> who uses that??
[06:09] <kahrytan> I do
[06:09] <sparr_> anything i put in the address bar that's not a URL gets sent to firefox
[06:09] <kahrytan> and Sync
[06:09] <sparr_> err, to google
[06:09] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: google toolbar? have you gone completly mad?
[06:09] <kahrytan> I use form completing in it all the time
[06:11] <sparr_> form completing?  elaborate please
[06:12] <kahrytan> as in .. not having to fill in form elements myself
[06:12] <sparr_> doesn't firefox already do that for you?
[06:13] <andre_pl> whats the preferred way to do dual-displays w/ hardy. the detect-display button didn't pick up my TV on svideo
[06:14] <xtknight> thoughts on Bug 212546
[06:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212546 in pidgin "pidgin no longer flashes/notifies on taskbar upon receipt of message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212546
[06:14] <xtknight> ?
[06:15] <JohnPhys> xtknight:  I don't know if it's a bug or a feature change, but I don't like it
[06:15] <xtknight> JohnPhys,  could you please comment?  only a few days until release :)
[06:16] <JohnPhys> xtknight:  I have my own favorite bugs I'm trying to get someone to package, such as bug #195052 :)
[06:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195052 in inkscape "Latex formula does not work on Ubuntu Hardy" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195052
[06:18] <xtknight> JohnPhys, oh what needs to be done? fix released?
[06:19] <JohnPhys> xtknight:  that "fix released" covers the inkscape source and fedora, but not the ubuntu package
[06:19] <xtknight> oh
[06:19] <JohnPhys> It's annoying, since the hardy package was uploaded to gutsy backports with that bug
[06:19] <xtknight> well you will have to file for a freeze exception in order to get it in Ubuntu
[06:20] <JohnPhys> granted, that feature didn't work by default in gutsy anyway, due to a conflict between pstoedit and gs, I think
[06:20] <JohnPhys> yeah, I'm trying to get ahold of a dev for that to occur
[06:20] <xtknight> devs hang in #ubuntu-motu and  (more privately) #ubuntu-devel
[06:21] <JohnPhys> yeah, there's one specific one that said he'd look at it (he uploaded the last inkscape package to hardy), but I haven't heard from him in a while
[06:22] <redwhitewaldo> Hi, folks. i'm using firefox (ver 3 beta 5) and clicked on a link that is "audio/mpeg". Firefox is presenting me with 5 plugin choices.Media plug-in for Gecko browsers
[06:22] <redwhitewaldo> Totem Mozilla plugin
[06:22] <redwhitewaldo> gxine starter plugin
[06:22] <redwhitewaldo> VLC Multimedia Plugin
[06:22] <redwhitewaldo> Mplayer-Plugin for Mozilla
[06:22] <redwhitewaldo> How in the world should one choose? What should one choose? What are the differences between the 5?
[06:23] <cwillu> just pick totem
[06:23] <xtknight> well i can make a debdiff for it
[06:23] <xtknight> is that the patch that was committed, do you know?
[06:23] <xtknight> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12978623/eqtexsvg.py.patch
[06:23] <xtknight> seems to be..
[06:23] <cwillu> did you go on an installing rampage at some point in the past?
[06:24] <redwhitewaldo> cwillu: why do you say totem?
[06:24] <redwhitewaldo> can you tell me the diff between them?
[06:25] <JohnPhys> xtknight:  yes, that should be it.  It's just a change in the python script that makes an svg out of a latex equation, so the fix should have no effect on anything other than that package (which might satisfy some "get in during the freeze" requirements)
[06:26] <cwillu> redwhitewaldo, totem is what is supported, the rest you wouldn't want to use unless you already preferred one over the other in general
[06:26] <redwhitewaldo> cwillu: i have no preference
[06:26] <cwillu> yes, that's why I said to use totem :)
[06:26] <redwhitewaldo> cwillu: are you saying that the others are not supported?
[06:27] <cwillu> Just Do It. :p
[06:27] <redwhitewaldo> i'm on xubuntu 8.04 beta by the way
[06:27] <redwhitewaldo> cwillu: i want to understand.
[06:27] <redwhitewaldo> and not just do it. 8-)
[06:28]  * cwillu shrugs, others have written far more thought out comparisons (easily discoverable by google) than he would be able (or willing) to write in a chat channel :p
[06:28] <redwhitewaldo> i c
[06:28] <redwhitewaldo> thanks
[06:28] <redwhitewaldo> i'll search it out
[06:28] <redwhitewaldo> 8-)
[06:28] <d-bos> is there a command to remove everything but the metapackage
[06:28] <d-bos> i wanna start over
[06:29] <cwillu> you'd have to purge everything as well (to remove the config files)
[06:29] <jgoo> So, I figured out the issue with the network. 3 fold
[06:29] <d-bos> so how would i do that?
[06:30] <jgoo> 1) idiot who wired RJ45's screwed one up, 2) It worked in Vista anyway 3) Vista shutting down network card, so I fixed those and now it works (I am in ubuntu)
[06:30] <jgoo> Just to ask a dumb question: I tried enabling advanced desktop effects - so it tried to grab ati driver - but now it is doing a partial upgrade...
[06:31] <jgoo> is a partial upgrade normal?
[06:31] <jgoo> downloading 532 files..
[06:31] <nemo> RAOF, saminthemiddle - sorry. was working over it with mom
[06:32] <saminthemiddle> nemo: oh, don't worry about it
[06:32] <nemo> RAOF, saminthemiddle: the damnable /etc/network/interfaces and/or network-admin did NOT like having a quote  in the password or a space.
[06:32] <saminthemiddle> nemo: :-P I'll remember that!
[06:32] <nemo> I noticed this only when I swithced to WEP and got an error like iwlconfig - unterminated string
[06:33] <nemo> then,  when I removed the quote, an error about unknkown parameter (for part of the password) due to the space
[06:33] <nemo> as soon as I made pass pure alnum, worked fine.
[06:33] <nemo> goddammit.
[06:33] <nemo> that was a gigantic waste of time.
[06:34] <xtknight> JohnPhys, i'll post a debdiff for his patch ( a debian version of it, making the process faster ).  in the meantime you can write up the freeze exception paperwork for the bug per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-4bba384c89c09d141f4e2cc06816d0405593db5c
[06:35] <xtknight> this thing's stil compiling so ill have to do that tomorrow
[06:45] <twb> Where are the libdvdcss and w32codecs packages that mplayer recommends?  packages.ubuntu.com thinks they never existed in Ubuntu.
[06:45] <twb> More specifically, I want (via gecko-mediaplayer) users to be able to watch stuff on e.g. apple.com/trailers
[06:46] <twb> gnome-mplayer complains about not having the appropriate codecs.
[06:49] <Nergar> hello
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> twb, they never existed in ubuntu
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> however, they are in medibuntu
[06:49] <Nergar> where can i check current bugs targeted for final release?
[06:49] <bazhang> www.medibuntu.org twb
[06:49] <twb> Grr.
[06:50] <nemo> Daisuke_Ido: aren't those  packages added if you try to play a proprietary codec in totem?
[06:51] <nemo> Daisuke_Ido: outside of the totem plugin I mean - totem plugin just whines about codecs but doesn't offer medibuntu option
[06:51] <Daisuke_Ido> w32codecs and libdvdcss are only in medibuntu
[06:51] <twb> So Ubuntu can't, on its own, play non-Free codecs or encrypted DVDs?
[06:52] <RAOF> twb: Correct.
[06:52] <bazhang> twb read the link I gave you
[06:52] <twb> Huh.  I must remember wrong.
[06:52] <RAOF> twb: Well, not entirely.  You can play almost all media types with just gstreamer plugins found in Ubuntu.
[06:52] <twb> bazhang: I'm not too keen to add random probably-broken third-party repos to my sources.list
[06:52] <RAOF> twb: You can't play encrypted DVDs because that's illegal almost everywhere.
[06:52] <RAOF> :(
[06:53] <bazhang> twb no need to add repos; if you *actually* read the link you would know that
[06:53] <twb> Oh, medibuntu isn't a medical imaging subproject
[06:53] <twb> It's just debian-multimedia for ubuntu
[06:53] <twb> That makes more sense
[06:54] <cwillu> twb, have you looked at ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[06:54] <bazhang> you're welcome twb
[06:54] <cwillu> I don't think medibuntu is needed more much anymore
[06:54] <twb> cwillu: mmm, that's what I was trying to think of
[06:54] <twb> cwillu: trying it now
[06:55] <cwillu> that should cover most of the codecs
[06:55] <RAOF> cwillu: Yeah.  Only libdvdcss is really needed from there.
[06:55] <cwillu> and the libdvdread3 (installed by u-r-e) has a shell script to enable decss
[06:56] <RAOF> cwillu: Yeah, but you might as well just get the prebuilt (and more recent) package.
[06:56] <twb> cwillu: what package magically makes embedded videos work in firefox, via gstreamer (since that's what the plugins seem to be for)?
[06:56] <cwillu> totem should work
[06:56] <twb> *embedded*
[06:57] <cwillu> totem has an embedded player :p
[06:57] <twb> As part of the main package?
[06:57]  * RAOF would suggest totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin :)
[06:57] <twb> Thanks.
[06:58] <twb> RAOF: seems to be called totem-mozilla now
[06:59] <twb> Zounds, that wants to pull in 130MB
[06:59] <twb> Time to make a new scratch
[07:00] <twb> 70MB for openjdk-6-jre-headless
[07:00] <cwillu> RAOF, re playing dvd's, in most countries, it's the distribution of the tools, not their use, which implies the intent and is therefore illegal
[07:02] <twb> Is icedtea-gcjwebplugin an "adequate" replacement for sun-java6-plugin?  I mean, if I install it, will my users come and whine to me because their favourite applet doesn't work?
[07:03] <cwillu> people have favourite applets?
[07:03] <cwillu> I thought that was only flash
[07:03] <bazhang> haha
[07:03] <twb> I don't know.  I'm going through layers and layers of management
[07:03] <twb> "Firefox MUST support java applets" is what I was told
[07:03] <cwillu> the vm probably works flawlessly
[07:03] <cwillu> but that's not where the problems ever where
[07:03] <cwillu> I don't know whether the classpath is anygood
[07:04] <twb> Eh, I'll use openjdk until they complain, since it's easier.
[07:04] <cwillu> ibm's implementation + libs was good enough to run eclipse years ago (unsurprising, I guess)
[07:06] <simion314> Hi, my gnome panles are invisible,  what can i do?
[07:06] <simion314> i restarted X but is the same
[07:07] <twb> simion314: is gnome-panel running?
[07:07] <kahrytan> Firefox 2 doesnt work with Preferred Applications
[07:07] <simion314> twb: hoc can i see that? with ps or do you know the command to start gnome system monitor from terminal?
[07:08] <ecubuntu> bazhang,
[07:08] <bazhang> ecubuntu: what does lspci say about that card
[07:08] <twb> simion314: pgrep gnome-panel?
[07:08] <ecubuntu> let me see
[07:09] <ecubuntu> itel mobile 945gm
[07:09] <ecubuntu> bazhang,
[07:09] <bazhang> ecubuntu: that is the video card
[07:10] <simion314> twb:  pgrep gnome-panel command  output nothing
[07:10] <twb> simion314: try running gnome-panel by hand
[07:10] <ecubuntu> oh oh
[07:11] <kahrytan> They need to add firefox-2 to preferred applications
[07:11] <bazhang> ecubuntu: should be either 3945 or 4965
[07:11] <kahrytan> list
[07:11] <ecubuntu> bazhang, inte corporation pro/wireless 3945ABG
[07:11] <ecubuntu> sorry about that
[07:11] <simion314> twb: it sais that is not installed(gnome-panel) and i do not remember uninstall it
[07:11] <RAOF> cwillu: Sadly, where I live (.au) it's both the distribution and use of the tools.
[07:11] <simion314> i uninstall evolution components
[07:12] <kahrytan> Where would file a bugfor Preferred Applications and lack of support for firefox 2?
[07:12] <DanaG> Argh, WINE IS SO BROKEN -- you hit shift once and it gets stuck in caps.
[07:12] <DanaG> like the following:
[07:12] <twb> RAOF: and/or lookin' at the MPAA in a funny way
[07:12] <DanaG> hello, I"M STUCK IN SHIFT MODE
[07:13] <bazhang> ecubuntu: what does ifconfig show; three entries or two
[07:13] <kahrytan> Anyone?
[07:14] <ecubuntu> bazhang, eth0 - lo - wlan0 - wmaster0
[07:14] <simion314> twb: Thx for your help
[07:14] <bazhang> ecubuntu: you have a open wifi spot to test this on?
[07:15] <ecubuntu> yeao bazhang
[07:15] <bazhang> ecubuntu: what does sudo dhclient wlan0 return
[07:15] <kahrytan> i guess that little bug will go unfixed in hardy
[07:15] <Lynoure> DanaG: seems you can get out of it, too...
[07:15] <bazhang> dhcp lease or no dhcpoffers
[07:16] <DanaG> Actually, I was demonstrating it... I'm not wine'ing my IRC client.
[07:16] <DanaG> I keep having to click out of the wine'd app, and then click back into it.
[07:16] <DanaG> It's essentially unusable.  Period.
[07:16] <ecubuntu> no bazhang
[07:17] <bazhang> ecubuntu: are there restricted drivers for that card; and was this upgrade or fresh install
[07:17] <Lynoure> DanaG: report a bug.
[07:17] <ecubuntu> wait wait bazhang
[07:17] <ecubuntu> i forgot sudo
[07:17] <kahrytan> DanaG->  WINE works for utorrent
[07:18] <DanaG> And my mouse and keyboard keep getting permagrabbed by VirtualBox.
[07:18] <DanaG> The only way to break loose: shut down the guest.
[07:18] <DanaG> Either that, or enable a hotkey to break grabs in X, but that's a big security hole.
[07:18] <ecubuntu> DHCPDISCOVER on waln0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:18] <ecubuntu> bazhang,
[07:18] <ecubuntu> no dhcpoffers reciver bazhang
[07:18] <bazhang> ecubuntu: that is fine but you want a dhcp lease
[07:19] <bazhang> ecubuntu: this was fresh install or upgrade from gutsy--any restricted drivers for that card
[07:20] <ecubuntu> fresh install bazhang
[07:20] <RAOF> twb: Hey, MPAA is USA.  We have worse laws, in some respects.
[07:20] <ecubuntu> no restricted drivers for any card bazhang
[07:21] <bazhang> ecubuntu: could you pastebin your sources list
[07:21] <ecubuntu> sure
[07:21] <ecubuntu> where?
[07:21] <bazhang> ecubuntu install pastebinit then cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[07:22] <kahrytan> How do forcible empty trash for a user?
[07:23] <ecubuntu> bazhang, http://pastebin.com/f59b39987
[07:24] <bazhang> ecubuntu what kernel do you have? did you install the restricted modules
[07:24] <ecubuntu> no bazhang
[07:25] <bazhang> ecubuntu: no to what kernel?
[07:25] <kahrytan> How do forcible empty trash for a user?
[07:25] <ecubuntu> how bazhang
[07:26] <bazhang> uname -r ecubuntu
[07:26] <ecubuntu> 2.6.24-16-generic bazhang
[07:26] <kahrytan> No one knows how to empty trash?
[07:28] <ecubuntu> right click an empty trash kahrytan
[07:28] <Iced_Eagle> kahrytan: I just do right-click empty
[07:28] <bazhang> ecubuntu: this is odd; I have the same exact card, also running hardy, and it works flawlessly--trying to remember what I did to get it working--does lsmod show the iwl or the ipw for that and can you iwlist scan with that wlan0
[07:28] <kahrytan>  But it wont empty.
[07:28] <kahrytan> I need it to be forced to delete filesi n it... ie root kill items
[07:28] <Iced_Eagle> that was something wierd i had in the beta, a restart seemed to fix the icon
[07:28] <kahrytan> What is the user trash folder kept?
[07:29] <Iced_Eagle> try this command actually
[07:29] <Iced_Eagle> rm -rf ~/.Trash/*
[07:29] <kahrytan> Iced_Eagle->  doesnt exist
[07:30] <kahrytan> I looked for that folder .. oh wait. i got an idea.
[07:30] <ecubuntu> yes bazhang
[07:30] <ecubuntu> iwl
[07:30] <Iced_Eagle> can you cd to ~/.Trash ?
[07:30] <bazhang> ecubuntu: and the second question?
[07:30] <Iced_Eagle> also try the rm command with sudo and see if that makes a difference
[07:31] <bullgard4> "~$ lsmod | grep 8139; 8139cp 24704 0; 8139too 27520 0." I would like to prevent that one of the 2 modules will be loaded because after a while after booting my computer looses its LAN connection. How to prevent 8139cp from being loaded at boot time?  (There is no modules.conf and no /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.)
[07:31] <kahrytan> How do forcible empty trash for a user? Right click-> Empty Trash doesnt work
[07:31] <ecubuntu> bazhang, wlan0     No scan results
[07:33] <bazhang> ecubuntu: what does the nm-applet show (the gui)?
[07:33] <ecubuntu> i can see my home network but i can not conecte bazhang
[07:33] <kahrytan> Anyone got any ideas on my problem?
[07:34] <wastrel> kahrytan: delete /home/username/.Trash