[00:00] <zzecool> but i cant tell the difference on my setup because  the launcher in high transparency :D
[00:00] <krnekhelesh> ah
[00:02] <zzecool> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24436243/Screenshot%20at%202012-02-19%2002%3A00%3A42.png
[00:02] <zzecool> this is my desktop
[00:02] <zzecool> :D
[00:03] <Daekdroom> That is not the default Launcher size, is it?
[00:03] <zzecool> but on screenshot  the launcher looks blur instead of transparent that it is for real
[00:03] <zzecool> no this is 32px
[00:03] <zzecool> this is the smallest one
[00:05] <krnekhelesh> with faenza icons?
[00:05] <zzecool> Anything bigger in this resolution is not ergonomic
[00:05] <zzecool> yeap
[00:05] <zzecool> :)
[00:05] <zzecool> i love Faenza
[00:05] <zzecool> its the BEST :d
[00:05] <krnekhelesh> r u using a ppa?
[00:05] <zzecool> yes
[00:05] <zzecool> the official one
[00:05] <krnekhelesh> can you provide the ppa link
[00:05] <zzecool> wait
[00:05] <krnekhelesh> i'd like to use it as well
[00:05] <krnekhelesh> ty
[00:05] <zzecool> ok
[00:05] <zzecool> sec
[00:06] <zzecool> here you are https://launchpad.net/~tiheum/+archive/equinox
[00:07] <zzecool> its not the ppa its the link to ppa
[00:07] <zzecool> :)
[00:07] <krnekhelesh> thnx
[00:07] <Daekdroom> Unfortunately, I can't seem to make the launcher/Dash color to fit Ambiance.
[00:07] <krnekhelesh> and u change them using gnome-tweak-tool?
[00:07] <zzecool> just remember you have to use faenza-ambiance  or radiance
[00:07] <zzecool> not the normal faenza
[00:07] <krnekhelesh> ok
[00:07] <krnekhelesh> but how do you change icons for unity?
[00:07] <zzecool> because you gonna have problem with the battery icon and some more
[00:08] <zzecool> you need the gnome tweak tool
[00:08] <krnekhelesh> ah ok
[00:09] <zzecool> krnekhelesh: sudo apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool
[00:09] <zzecool> once installed type advanced in the dash
[00:09] <zzecool> its the one called advanced settings
[00:09] <zzecool> :)
[00:10] <krnekhelesh> ok
[00:14] <ironhalik> ok, first try with precise - live usb boot failed :>
[00:15] <valdur55> ironhalik, give more information
[00:16] <ironhalik> the cursos blink really fast :>
[00:16] <ironhalik> but I used dd to make the usb drive, so it may be that :>
[00:18] <valdur55> Btw look http://qa.ubuntu.com/
[00:18] <valdur55> And fill your report :)
[00:18] <ironhalik> couple of times I used the ubuntu startup dist tool, it always filed to install, right after it formatted my drive :)
[00:19] <valdur55> ironhalik, be lazy and use grub loop :).
[00:19] <valdur55> grub loopback *
[00:19] <ironhalik> hmm, how do I do that? :)
[00:20] <ironhalik> Ill confess, I used the grub CLI only once, I somehow crashed my grub.cfg :>
[00:22] <valdur55> ironhalik, like this: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/how-to-boot-iso-with-grub2-easy-way.html#comment-141653217
[00:23] <ironhalik> hmm, cool
[00:23] <ironhalik> good to know, thx
[00:25] <ironhalik> ok, precise live wont see my drives :)
[00:26] <ironhalik> that is, theyre not in /dev/
[00:28] <penguin42> ironhalik: What type?
[00:28] <ironhalik> ext4
[00:28] <penguin42> normal SATA?
[00:28] <ironhalik> yeah
[00:28] <ironhalik> the installer mounted them, then hanged itself :>
[00:28] <penguin42> do they show up in /proc/partitions
[00:29] <ironhalik> yup, they do
[00:30] <penguin42> good
[00:30] <penguin42> do they show up in /dev/dsk-by-id ?
[00:30] <ironhalik> only the swap partition
[00:30] <penguin42> sorry, /dev/disk/by-id
[00:30] <ironhalik> ah, sec I rebooted
[00:32] <ironhalik> yeah
[00:32] <penguin42> ironhalik: Can you pastebin your /proc/partitions ?
[00:33] <ironhalik> http://paste.ubuntu/com/847917/
[00:33] <valdur55> ironhalik, be laizy! install pastebinit and then use command: pastebinit /proc/..
[00:33] <ironhalik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/847917/
[00:33] <ironhalik> Im not that lazy :P
[00:34] <penguin42> ironhalik: That looks kind of OK (sda2 is a bit odd)
[00:34] <ironhalik> huh, there should be no sda2
[00:34] <penguin42> ironhalik: Can you pastebin the output of udisks --dump ?
[00:34] <penguin42> (and pastebinit really would help there)
[00:36] <valdur55> udisks --dump | pastebinit
[00:37] <ironhalik> sec, im fighting against the tide here
[00:37] <ironhalik> everything crashesh :P
[00:37] <zzecool> goodnight from me guys =)
[00:37] <zzecool> poor ironhalik ;/
[00:37] <zzecool> ;p
[00:37] <valdur55> goodnight...
[00:37] <ironhalik> c ya
[00:38] <valdur55> damn... i just pressed tab after goodn ...
[00:39] <ironhalik> huh, theres some issues with dns it seems :)
[00:40] <ironhalik> for pastebinit
[00:40] <penguin42> took me a couple of goes to resolve when I opened it
[00:41] <cjohnston> any idea why zietgeist would be taking up ~60% of my ram on a 4gb box
[00:41] <valdur55> cjohnston, maybe zeitgeist ... i don't know zietgeist
[00:41] <cjohnston> sure
[00:42] <ironhalik> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/847925/
[00:42] <cjohnston> zeitgeist-fts
[00:43] <cjohnston> is it safe to kill zeitgeist-fts?
[00:43] <valdur55>  zeitgeist-daemon - D-Bus interface providing a log of activities
[00:43] <penguin42> ironhalik: Odd, that looks happy
[00:44] <ironhalik> well, I mouted the drive by uuid now
[00:44] <valdur55> oh... using UUID is safer vay to dd something :)
[00:44] <ironhalik> can I use /dev/disk/by-uuid/yadayda as dd source?
[00:44] <ironhalik> uh
[00:44] <ironhalik> :>
[00:45] <penguin42> ironhalik: Yeh
[00:45] <ironhalik> how can I list all mounted drives?
[00:45] <penguin42> mount
[00:45] <ironhalik> doh...
[00:45] <valdur55> df ....
[00:46] <ironhalik> yeah, figured that one by myself :>
[00:46] <crizzy> -h is an useful switch for it
[00:48] <ironhalik> hmm, ok since sda1 is not mounted
[00:48] <ironhalik> it has no uuid, so does sda
[00:48] <ironhalik> and I want to dd whole sda
[00:48] <ironhalik> any id will do for that?
[00:49] <valdur55> ironhalik, you booted from grub?
[00:49] <ironhalik> no, from live usb
[00:49] <valdur55> ok :)
[00:49] <valdur55> btw. Use nautilus for hard drive mounting :)
[00:50] <ironhalik> I shouldnt mount it if Im dd'ing it
[00:50] <valdur55> ok.. maybe it isn't sda anymore...
[00:51] <ironhalik> well, it is, according to udisks
[00:51] <ironhalik> ah what the hell, ill try to dd it by path :)
[00:53] <ironhalik> but either way, Ive got bad feelings about this :)
[01:15] <Daekdroom> Odd. I have appmenu-qt package installed but Clementine display its menu in the window
[01:25] <Daekdroom> and I can't think of any other qt app to test it
[01:25] <Daekdroom> Well, any other qt app that won't drag the entire KDE with it
[04:46] <txwikinger2> Is there a screencast app that is working on precise?
[04:47] <jokerdino> txwikinger2: you can try kazam
[04:49] <micahg> txwikinger2: is gtk-recordmydesktop not working?
[04:50] <jokerdino> txwikinger: gtk-recordmydesktop works for me too
[04:51] <txwikinger> I use kde.. thought gtk-recordmydesktop was only for gnome
[04:51] <txwikinger> I will try both
[04:51] <jokerdino> or well, you can use vlc.
[04:52] <jokerdino> http://www.2buntu.com/2011/10/01/how-to-record-your-desktop-with-vlc/
[04:55] <txwikinger> Thanks will try it
[04:55] <txwikinger> Did not find kazzam in the packages
[06:25] <Ben64> theres always an errant pulseaudio process that kills my audio
[06:25] <Ben64> why, and how can i stop it
[07:46] <vega-> does 12.04 have any known network issues?
[07:47] <bazhang> vega-, checked launchpad for bugs related to same?
[07:47] <vega-> i'm connected through wired ethernet and sometimes the connection just switches off (have to reload browser 10 times to display a webpage etc.)
[07:47] <vega-> the same with command line "host" command for instance, it might work only after the 5th or 10th time or so :)
[07:47] <vega-> bazhang: not yet
[08:15] <sahil_> hi
[08:15] <sahil_> how to upgrade from oneric to precise
[08:17] <zniavre> To upgrade from Ubuntu 11.10 on a desktop system: press Alt+F2 and type in "update-manager -d" (without the quotes) into the command box.
[08:17] <sahil_> will taht remove all my insatlled apps?
[08:17] <sahil_> that*
[08:19] <bazhang> sahil_, remove? no. that will get you started on the alpha 2
[08:20] <sahil_> okey..so my installed apps will remain intact right?
[08:20] <bazhang> well apart from the PPA
[08:21] <bazhang> they will be disabled
[08:21] <sahil_> sounds good
[08:21] <sahil_> and how is ati radon drver support for precise..
[08:22] <sahil_> will it revert back to gallium 3d or vesa or catalyst?
[08:23] <bazhang> sahil_, I dont use ati, so I cannot answer that sorry
[08:24] <sahil_> thnx....
[08:24] <bazhang> sahil_, you can wait in here and discuss when more people are active re: the ati situation
[08:25] <sahil_> the ppa's u mentioned will be removed or just disabled?
[08:25] <sahil_> ok surely...m online for an hour or two
[08:44] <codepal> apt-get doesn't want to upgrade packages - why?
[08:45] <codepal> *these packages are held back*
[08:47] <Ampelbein> codepal: when you do sudo apt-get install <packagename_that_has_been_held>, it will show you.
[08:50] <codepal> how? = doesn't show me anything
[08:50] <codepal> except 63 not upgraded
[08:50] <codepal> no error, no reason - no excuse!
[08:51] <codepal> darn it I want  to force upgrade
[08:51] <codepal> where is that Nike key - JUST DO IT!
[08:52] <astraljava> codepal: Might need `sudo apt-get install dist-upgrade`.
[08:52] <astraljava> err
[08:52] <pangolin> codepal: if packages are being held back the last thing you want to do is force it
[08:52] <astraljava> scratch 'install' from that.
[08:52] <codepal> well, this is a testing partition
[08:52] <codepal> so I can nuke it if I want to, can't I?
[08:52] <pangolin> try dist-upgrade
[08:53] <codepal> ok thanks pangolin !!
[08:53] <pangolin> thank astraljava :)
[08:53] <codepal> looks like progress, great astraljava
[08:53] <codepal> which dist is this gonna be now?
[08:54] <codepal> Alpha 3?
[08:54] <astraljava> Hi there pangolin :) You good?
[08:54] <pangolin> astraljava: i'm doing ok thanks.
[08:54] <astraljava> Good, good.
[08:55] <pangolin> codepal: I don't think dist-upgrade has time travel support yet
[08:55] <pangolin> there is talk about adding that to linux kernel 4.0
[08:55] <astraljava> There is no Alpha-3, jump to Beta-1 after Alpha-2.
[08:56] <codepal> pangolin, -- I like your sense of humor
[08:56] <astraljava> Hehe.
[08:56] <codepal> Beta-1 - woot!
[08:56] <codepal> here I come future! Beam me up Scotty!
[08:56] <astraljava> But that's in March, not yet.
[08:56] <codepal> I haven't even done a Unity-Checkbox test yet... I'm too lazy
[08:57] <codepal> er busy
[09:27] <sahil_> how is fgrlx 12.1 in precise
[09:27] <sahil_> buggy or better den gallium 3d
[09:28] <sahil_> m talking about desktop experence ...not games
[10:45] <mainerror> o/
[10:46] <mainerror> Is it intended that the launcher doesn't hide when a window is maximized?
[10:49] <mainerror> That doesn't feel right.
[10:49] <robin0800> mainerror: dodge has or is going to be removed so the choice is on or auto hide
[10:50] <mainerror> o-O
[10:51] <mainerror> So, no intellihide anymore?
[10:52] <robin0800> mainerror: no I think that was dodge
[10:54] <mainerror> Oh god ...
[10:55] <mainerror> I've been an Unity fan since it was introduced but the removal of that feature might drive me away from it.
[10:56] <mainerror> It is absolutely absurd to hide the launcher when there is no window at all. I mean when you are on the desktop.
[10:56] <mainerror> Is there a bug report for this already?
[10:58] <Trewas> I hear it was removed because it is confusing ro users (i.e. thinking they must move windows away to get it to show)
[10:58] <glosoli> Anyone can confirm don't getting any effect when hovering on close, max, min buttons in metacity ?
[10:58] <glosoli> mainerror: If you are talking about dodge, yes there is bug somewhere in launchpad, gonna try to find for you
[11:01] <mainerror> That was the wrong way to tackle such a problem. There will be even more users confused about how to interact with their system in the first place.
[11:01] <glosoli> mainerror: would you mind https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/936091 pressing "affects me" ? Because I am sure you get the same problem
[11:02] <mainerror> glosoli: What is the expected result?
[11:03] <glosoli> mainerror: open nautilus, try to hover on close, max, min you should get some light changes, but you don't
[11:03] <glosoli> it works in unity, so try to maximize windows ant in global menu panel, hover on max min close, you will get effect
[11:03] <mainerror> I do.
[11:03] <glosoli> mainerror: On not maximized windows ?
[11:03] <mainerror> Yes.
[11:04] <glosoli> strange, the problem occurs for me and some my friends hmm
[11:04] <mainerror> You mean a color highlight of the buttons right?
[11:05] <glosoli> mainerror: Yes, but not for maximized windows, for small ones
[11:05] <mainerror> Yup.
[11:05] <glosoli> Strange.. anyway, your problem with dodge: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/930148
[11:07] <mainerror> Ah, thanks. :)
[11:08] <mainerror> Just got this one as well.
[11:08] <mainerror> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libx11/+bug/924612
[11:09] <glosoli> mainerror: when was the last time you did upgrade/dist-upgrade ?
[11:09] <glosoli> Maybe for me problem occured after updates :?
[11:09] <mainerror> Mhmm, last night I guess.
[11:11] <glosoli> ah ok :) anyway, do you get any "Privacy" Section in system settings ?
[11:14] <mainerror> Yup.
[11:14] <glosoli> hmm, I don't :/
[11:30] <wonderman> hi, any devs here that can tell me why everytime i update over the last 2 months it breaks the unity bar settings? starting to wind me up, do people not test these things?
[11:36] <ikonia> wonderman: people do test these things, it's in development, so fixes are done in priority order
[11:36] <ikonia> wonderman: if you don't want/expect things to break use a stable release.
[11:37] <wonderman> sorry ikonia i am talking about 11.10, nobody seems to know what they are talking about in #ubuntu, ie no devs tehre
[11:37] <ikonia> wonderman: talking to developers doesn't get things fixed directly,
[11:37] <wonderman> the worse thing about unity is the bar autohiding, so i use CCSM to set it not to
[11:37] <wonderman> but maybe they will have more of an idea
[11:38] <ikonia> wonderman: 1.) ask in #ubuntu if need help, this is for 12.04 support 2.) log a bug with the best information possible if you believe there is an error in the software
[11:38] <wonderman> well i waited to update packages for a month, because the last time i did it broke the same thing
[11:38] <wonderman> and i waited for 2 days to get some reply before, and got nothing in #ubuntu
[11:38] <ikonia> wonderman: however as I've never seen anyone complain about this before, I'd suggest (note the word suggest) this is a problem with your setup, rather than the actual software or more people would be complaining
[11:38] <wonderman> i think reinstalling catalyst might of been my fix before
[11:39] <wonderman> but i cant do this everytime i update a packge....
[11:39] <ikonia> wonderman: the fact that you've got no reply in #ubuntu suggests it's a problem with your setup, or people would be saying "me too" or "it's a known problem, here is the bug id"
[11:39] <wonderman> but its not uncommon software...
[11:39] <ikonia> wonderman: if the catalyst re-install is fixing it, then it would again suggest the problem is with catalyst drivers and your setup, in which case contacting ATI would be a good move
[11:39] <wonderman> or maybe most people like autohiding unity bar
[11:39] <Ampelbein> wonderman: Please do 'ubuntu-bug unity' and report this in launchpad. Then developers are able to look at the problem and can assess wheter it's a bug or a problem with your setup.
[11:39] <wonderman> i think it blows
[11:40] <ikonia> wonderman: most people don't seem to do auto hiding
[11:40] <wonderman> ikonia: , its the default setting?
[11:40] <ikonia> either way, it's not for this channel, please take it to #ubuntu or follow the process I've suggested
[11:40] <wonderman> lol
[11:40] <wonderman> ill wait till ive got many hours to wait for a reply
[11:41] <wonderman> i shouldnt be fearful of upgrading packages
[11:41] <ikonia> wonderman: I've just given you the reply and suggestions forward, please don't use this channel for 11.10 support again.
[11:41] <wonderman> especially when my setup is pretty basic
[11:41] <wonderman> most people have ATI or nvidia GPUs
[11:41] <ikonia> wonderman: complaining about it won't fix it
[11:41] <ikonia> wonderman: please stop using this channel for 11.10 support discussion
[11:41] <Ampelbein> wonderman: does bug 888039 sound related? If yes, there are packages in oneiric-proposed, see the last comment on that bug. All other questions should go to #ubuntu.
[11:42] <wonderman> nothing like it lol
[11:42] <ikonia> please take this to #ubuntu Ampelbein / wonderman if you want to progress it
[11:43] <Ampelbein> ikonia: I know. Please read the last sentence of my last comment.
[11:43] <mainerror> glosoli: Added a comment to the Dodge window option bug.
[11:57] <glosoli> mainerror: I am curious if they read all thoose comments ;D
[11:58] <mainerror> They sure do.
[12:06] <sabgenton> whats better to install PrecisePangolin alpha 2 or the daily builds?
[12:08] <sabgenton> if you want it to work
[12:11] <glosoli> hmm have no idea, i installed daily
[12:11] <glosoli> works fine :)
[12:11] <glosoli> As there was feature freeze maybe daily might be even stable :?
[12:12] <ironhalik> definition freeze, now they need to work them out ;>
[12:13] <ironhalik> ah no, sorry
[12:13] <ironhalik> wrong side of the table :)
[12:15] <sabgenton> glosoli: thanks
[12:16] <sabgenton> glosoli: If I want to file a but report would it be best to see if PrecisePangolin has the bug and file it for PrecisePangolin instead of oneiric
[12:17] <sabgenton> I mean the devs wont care about oneric as much  anymore u would think..
[12:19] <ironhalik> sabgenton: Oneiric's support ends 04-2013, so you could do both
[12:19] <ironhalik> if its critical bug, theyll try to fix it in oneiric too
[12:20] <sabgenton> hmm ok
[12:20] <sabgenton> still I won't care so much if it works in PrecisePangolin :)
[12:22] <ironhalik> there probably already is a bugreport, so you can just confirm it ;>
[12:36] <mainerror> sabgenton: Generally it depends on what bug you want to report.
[12:36] <mainerror> If something crashed on Oneiric, then report it against Oneiric.
[12:42] <ironhalik> hmm, how long shout updating oneiric to precise take?
[12:42] <ironhalik> im stuck on updating repositories for last 5 minutes
[12:42] <ironhalik> oh ffs, a dialog box got hidden on another workspace :)
[12:53] <glosoli> sabgenton: if you want to file a bug you do in terminal: ubuntu-bug package_name and then you will go trough some steps and the bug will be filled :)
[13:47] <ironhalik> can I log into launchpad with openID?
[13:56] <jtaylor> no lp is only an openid provide no consumer
[13:57] <jtaylor> o has that changed? haven't checked in month
[13:58] <ironhalik> nah, it provides openid
[15:01] <wiza> anyone got imon ffdc working on precise? can't get any output to come to anywhere, ir-keytable or syslog.
[15:26] <ironhalik> can I set the default action for my power button?
[15:26] <ironhalik> to suspend instead of the dialog box
[15:33] <iceroot> ironhalik: in the power-settings there should be an option for that
[15:34] <iceroot> ironhalik: i have disabled the powermanager (because of an ugly bug) but imo there was an option for that
[15:34] <xb> hi,  this  morning i installed the proposed updates on xubuntu 12.04  x86_64  and the theme changed after the suggested reboot
[15:53] <ironhalik> iceroot: actually, Ive only time to suspend there, and whether to show the battery applet.
[15:54] <ironhalik> but Ive found the option via dconf-editor
[16:16] <rly> Who is ikonia?
[16:21]  * penguin42 seems to be getting a lot of flash crashes today - not had any for *ages* - I wonder what got updated
[16:24] <jtaylor> me 2
[16:24] <jtaylor> didn't have any problems for years up until a couple month ago
[16:25] <ironhalik> its a plot to push html5 forward ;>
[16:25] <ironhalik> windows 8 will have flash disable in the default mode, linux users will have flash crashing constantly ;>
[16:26] <Ampelbein> flash can go die in a fire, to be honest ;-)
[16:26] <penguin42> Ampelbein: I don't disagree
[16:27] <ironhalik> hmm, html5 video could use some work for me
[16:27] <ironhalik> never thought I will say it, but flash video works better for me :P
[16:28] <Daekdroom> HTML5 YouTube player works wonders for me. Too bad I can't use it to watch everything there.
[16:29] <jtaylor> gnash also works on youtube, but not much more :(
[16:31] <ironhalik> hmm, lately I visited some quite popular tech news site
[16:32] <ironhalik> got surprised that they used html5 video player by default
[16:34] <Daekdroom> Nevertheless, I wish I can cease to use Flash someday.
[16:35] <ironhalik> hmm, it seems it wont be long now :)
[16:36] <ironhalik> I dont have flash on my android phone
[16:36] <ironhalik> and theres lots of ipads there that generate flashless consumer traffic
[16:36] <Ampelbein> ironhalik: http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html - Adobe stops all mobile development.
[16:37] <ironhalik> I use it pretty much to watch online cat videos and get raped by some runaway ads
[16:37] <ironhalik> yeah Ampelbein, it was funny when I saw it on slashdot :)
[16:38] <ironhalik> http://occupyflash.org/
[16:59] <sahil_> Hi guys...can i have someones kind attention?
[16:59] <Daekdroom> Ask your question right away and stay around a few minutes to see if anyone can help you.
[17:01] <ikonia> sahil_: please don't cross-post your question
 i upgraded to precise a couple of minutes ago...the whole desktop is crashing every now and den....copiz is crashing and windows are been drawn very slowly ...
[17:03] <sahil_> compiz*
[17:03] <ikonia> sahil_: what have you done to debug this ?
[17:04] <sahil_> done nothing as of now...coz if i even move a window...it takes 5-6 seconds for the flickering to stop
[17:04] <ikonia> sahil_: ok, I suggest doing some basic debugging
[17:04] <ikonia> sahil_: then once you've narrowed it down a bit, ask for specific help
[17:05] <sahil_> okey...from where shall i start?
[17:05] <ironhalik> sahil_: I would start with video drivers
[17:06] <ironhalik> and you can do this via tty, so it shouldnt be that bad
[17:06] <sahil_> okey...will give a try...
[17:07] <ironhalik> sahil_: the tool ubuntu uses to fetch additional drivers is called jockey - you can use the CLI version, jockey-text
[17:08] <sahil_> ok.. :)
[17:11] <ironhalik> shame you cant upgrade 32bit->64bit
[17:15] <ironhalik> hmm, is there a way to edit/add the dash right-click menu?
http://pastebin.com/PFnCYH6A
[17:17] <sahil_> this is my x.org log
[17:17] <sahil_> file
[17:18] <bjsnider> you could try running htop to see if there's a cpu-intesive process
[17:19] <sahil_> bjsnider_ are u saying me?
[17:19] <bjsnider> yes
[17:19] <sahil_> well i m running just firefox and xchat...nthing else
[17:19] <ironhalik> yeah, check if Xorg doesnt hog the CPU
[17:20] <sahil_> how to do that...sory m very noob at debuging
[17:20] <ironhalik> in terminal, type 'top'
[17:20] <bjsnider> the log says every video driver except the basic rame buffer fails to load because it doesn't exist
[17:21] <bjsnider> make sure you've got xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed
[17:22] <dupondje> Yeey updating to Precise
[17:22] <dupondje> lets see what it gives :)
[17:23] <ironhalik> dupondje: for me it went more or less flawlessly
[17:23] <sahil_> http://pastebin.com/bdDjnHRR
 ya the gfx may b the problem...even in oneric i had a couple of issues
[17:24] <bjsnider> sahil_, sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[17:24] <sahil_> this is propietory catalyst 12.1 or gallium 0.4?
[17:25] <bjsnider> gallium
[17:25] <dupondje> Are there some improvements for Dual VGA's in Precise
[17:25] <bjsnider> the problem is you're not using the appropriate xorg driver
[17:25] <dupondje> aka Nvidia Optimus
[17:25] <sahil_> system info says i have Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x300)  insatlled
[17:25] <bjsnider> dupondje, no, but thanks for asking
[17:25] <sahil_> installed*
[17:26] <dupondje> bjsnider: nothing planned or so ? :(
[17:26] <dupondje> cause that would be a nice improvement :)
[17:26] <bjsnider> dupondje, you have to disable the optimus switching system in your bios/efi
[17:27] <dupondje> bjsnider: I have no option to do that in BIOS
[17:27] <bjsnider> some laptops do and some don't
[17:27] <bjsnider> it's just unfortunate
 i have insatlled...now shall i restart or wat? and something oneconf is also crahing...m not sure wats dat
[17:28] <bjsnider> restart
[17:28] <sahil_> crashing*
[17:28] <sahil_> ok
[17:28] <dupondje> bjsnider: well ironhide is usefull .. just needs better integration
[17:29] <bjsnider> the ati driver is actually better for most things except high-end gaming at this point when compared to fglrx
[17:31] <Freeaqingme> Hi. I'm on the daily build of 12.04, using two screens. That results in 2 unity bars; is there any way to disable the second unity bar?
no improvemennt... :(
[17:31] <bjsnider> what does your xorg log say now?
[17:32] <sahil_> one min
[17:32] <dupondje> 'E:Couldn't configure pre-depend libtinfo5 for libncurses5, probably
[17:32] <dupondje> err :P
[17:33] <faenil> hi guys :)
[17:33] <sahil_> http://pastebin.com/8SmuFJCt hre is it
[17:33] <faenil> is there any way to create a wifi network that an android device sees?
 here it is
[17:34] <faenil> I have tried creating an hotspot in ad-hoc and infrastructure mode, and none works
[17:34] <ironhalik> hmm, anybody has the new unity-greeter lockscreen?
[17:34] <sahil_> http://pastebin.com/8SmuFJCt
[17:35] <bjsnider> sahil_, still says ati doesn't exist, what happens if you run 'sudo modprobe ati'
[17:35] <dupondje> ah https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/924079
[17:35] <sahil_> FATAL: Module ati not found.
[17:35] <dupondje> boo :D
[17:37] <sahil_> ya..i was upgrading via tty...all of a sudden all sript stoped...didnt asked for restart or anything
[17:38] <bjsnider> well, obviously you're stuck in some kind of limbo
[17:38] <sahil_> later yet i went to repair mode to see any broken pacakge...it gave me few obsolute pacakge wich it removed
[17:38] <bjsnider> run apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:38] <bjsnider> and -f install
[17:38] <bjsnider> and upgrade
[17:39] <bjsnider> and make sure your sources are all precise and not oneiric
[17:39] <bjsnider> and no ppas
[17:39] <sahil_> ok
[17:39] <sahil_> btw the system info says its 12.04
[17:40] <sahil_> and hey...no limbo exist for linux...coz here people things about "we" rather then "I"
[17:41] <bjsnider> you could have something like half-precise packages half-oneiric, or missing packages that need to be there
[17:42] <bjsnider> you need to have ubuntu-desktop in there
[17:42] <sahil_> m running unity...it feels like using gnome shell at the time ubuntu remix was rleased
[17:44] <sahil_> apt-get dist-upgrade done just 1.5mb download.. :/
[17:46] <bjsnider> xserver-xorg-video-all and xserver-xorg-video-ati too
[17:46] <bjsnider> the ati module could be blacklisted
[17:46] <imnichol> sahil_, did you check your /etc/apt/sources.list to make sure it was all precise sources?
[17:47] <imnichol> I didn't see you say that, just checking
in update manager setting all presice are ticked
[17:47] <imnichol> Ok
[17:47] <bjsnider> check /etc/modprobe.d for blacklist files that might be ati-related
[17:48] <ironhalik> hmm, it may be stupid, but have you tried to jockey tool? Sometimes the automated stuff proves more error proof
[17:48] <sahil_> how to open these file via terminal? cat<location><filename>?
[17:49] <ironhalik> nano /path/to/file
[17:49] <sahil_> oh..thnx
[17:49] <bjsnider> cat will work just to look at the contents
[17:49] <ironhalik> yeah, it prints the contents
[17:49] <sahil_> and wats nano?
[17:49] <ironhalik> a terminal based text editor
[17:49] <bjsnider> nano is an editor
[17:50] <sahil_> like gedit?
[17:50] <ironhalik> yeah, just in terminal
[17:50] <sahil_> ok..
[17:50] <ironhalik> you can also use gedit in terminal, it will launch the file in it
[17:50] <ironhalik> if you prefer graphical interface
[17:51] <bjsnider> given how slow his setup is, that's probably not wise
[17:51] <ironhalik> just remember to have proper rights, eg. you need root to edit sources.list
[17:51] <sahil_> so...sudo i gess?
[17:51] <ironhalik> sudo -i
[17:51] <sahil_> gues*
[17:52] <ironhalik> sudo -i will turn sudo on for the session, until you logout the root or close the temrinal
[17:53] <ironhalik> tbh I never got why root account is disabled in ubuntu by default :)
[17:53] <bjsnider> in debian
[17:53] <sahil_> its still showing premission denied...wow rare encounter
[17:53] <ironhalik> to which file?
[17:54] <sahil_> sahil@sahil:~/Desktop$ sudo -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:54] <sahil_> [sudo] password for sahil:
[17:54] <sahil_> -bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[17:54] <ironhalik> first, do sudo -i without any file
[17:54] <sahil_> ok..
[17:55] <ironhalik> then, youll change to root@sahil:~ #:
[17:55] <sahil_> root@sahil:~#  /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:55] <sahil_> -bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[17:55] <sahil_> O.o
[17:55] <ironhalik> and then nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:55] <ironhalik> it says that because sources.list is not executable
[17:55] <sahil_> ok..
[17:56] <ironhalik> use nano :)
[17:56] <sahil_> ya...good to see colorful stuff in terminal
[17:57] <ironhalik> yeah, check if all the red is 'precise'
[17:58] <ironhalik> nano tips: ctrl+w = search, ctrl+c = close the editor, it will ask if you wamnt to save any changes
[17:58] <sahil_> http://pastebin.com/vs2ztLbZ
[17:58] <sahil_> all red stuff is precise
[17:59] <ironhalik> oh, alsa use page up / page down to move around
[17:59] <ironhalik> also*
[17:59] <ironhalik> you pasted only the first page
[17:59] <sahil_> oh
[17:59] <ironhalik> well, either way, Im still in favor of trying the jockey tool to install ati drivers
[18:00] <ironhalik> jockey-text seems to be bugged for me right now, so you could try jockey-gtk, even while laggy
[18:02] <ironhalik> uh, correction, ctrl+x closes nano :)
[18:02] <sahil_> http://pastebin.com/mBBF9x9s
[18:03] <sahil_> well jockey...u mean the addition driver stuff..one with sort of graphics card icon?
[18:03] <sahil_> :)
[18:03] <ironhalik> yeah
[18:04] <sahil_> here i get confuse between the post release and normal driver...
[18:04] <ironhalik> you can use both
[18:04] <ironhalik> either one
[18:06] <sahil_> and hey...amd-driver-installer-12-1-x86.x86_64.run and ati-driver-installer-11-11-x86.x86_64.run downloaded in my machine...which of the two can i install?
[18:06] <sahil_> i guess i can insatll thse right?
[18:06] <ironhalik> yeah
[18:07] <sahil_> which one?
[18:07] <ironhalik> the 12.1 I think :)
[18:07] <ironhalik> also, you need to go to the downloads folder
[18:07] <ironhalik> cd /path/to/downloads
[18:07] <ironhalik> then chmod +x amd-driver-installer-12-1-x86.x86_64.run and ati-driver-installer-11-11-x86.x86_64.run
[18:07] <ironhalik> then ./amd-driver-installer-12-1-x86.x86_64.run and ati-driver-installer-11-11-x86.x86_64.run
[18:07] <sahil_> i made a folder in home named it catalyst and kept the 12.1 file there
[18:08] <ironhalik> cd /home/sahil/catalyst
[18:08] <sahil_> wait..i have to insatll both of them? O.o?
[18:09] <sahil_> in ur commands u have given "and" between the files
[18:09] <iceroot> i need feedback from someone with ubuntu (gnome/unity) 12.04 on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/936421  please have a look and write feedback here or on the bug
[18:09] <ironhalik> sahil_: no, you do it on the 12.1 version
[18:10] <ironhalik> sahil_: I copied the text, do it on 12.1 only
[18:10] <sahil_> okey,,,
[18:12] <iceroot> also posted on #ubuntu because its also affecting lubuntu 11.10
[18:13] <sahil_> stupid question i knw... chmod vs chroot.../sudo vs root /su vs gksu... where can i find a clear answer?
[18:13] <iceroot> sahil_: chmod has nothing to do with chroot
[18:13] <jtaylor> chmod and chroot are completely unrelated
[18:13] <iceroot> !sudo | sahil_
[18:14] <iceroot> sahil_: please ALWAYS use sudo instead of a root shell, and use gksu/gksudo when running gui-programs
[18:14] <jtaylor> sahil_: chmod = change file mode bits, is used for changing permissions of file (read write execute)
[18:15] <sahil_> okey..thnx guys...
[18:15] <ironhalik> iceroot: why would su/sudo -i be not advised?
[18:15] <sahil_> :)
[18:15] <iceroot> ironhalik: because there is no need to have a root shell and users normally do things as root where root is not needed
[18:15] <iceroot> ironhalik: and "su" is not working by default on ubuntu
[18:15] <ironhalik> yeah, noticed :>
[18:15] <sahil_> aone more question gksu is only for gnome or wat??? so is there any kdsu?
[18:16] <iceroot> sahil_: gksudo is for gnome, unity, xfce4, lxde
[18:16] <bjsnider> it's kdesu
[18:16] <sahil_> ah.. :)
[18:17] <ironhalik> iceroot: so its more of an 'stop using root to do everyday stuff!' issue ;>
[18:18] <iceroot> ironhalik: its more of a "most of the users dont know what they are doing but they are great in destryoing the system"
[18:18] <ironhalik> true
[18:18] <ironhalik> ;>
[18:18] <iceroot> ironhalik: so we dont suggest/support root-shells, we always suggest sudo command
[18:19] <ironhalik> yeah, I always thought the move to disable root shell by default was kinda lame
[18:19] <bjsnider> who told him to manually install fglrx from the amd installer?
[18:19] <ironhalik> but then, since Ubuntu is supposed to be user friendly, it also needs to be user-proof
[18:19] <ironhalik> ;>
[18:19] <iceroot> ironhalik: there is no single reason to have a root shell
[18:20] <ironhalik> iceroot: if you roam around /etc/, its more convienient to do it from root, then constantly type sudo ;>
[18:20] <sahil_> hey my problem is resolved...installing 12.1 vcatalyst solved the issue...12.1 is much better then 11.11
[18:20] <iceroot> ironhalik: as i said, we dont support/suggest root shells
[18:20] <sahil_> no desktop tearing atall
[18:20] <ironhalik> sahil_: GJ then
[18:20] <iceroot> ironhalik: and when working/editing in an editor with root-access, every good editor (vim) has a great feature to open other files too
[18:20] <imnichol> ironhalik, it's "more convenient" until you mistype a mv/rm and blow away your filesystem
[18:20] <sahil_> gj?
[18:21] <imnichol> good job
[18:21] <iceroot> ironhalik: no need to write sudo everytime
[18:21] <bjsnider> yeah, it's solved as long as you keep manually installing fglrx
[18:21] <bjsnider> and as long as you like the inferior performance vs. the radeon driver
[18:21] <Ampelbein> ironhalik: Everyday there are people who come here, the forums or the bugtracker to report broken issues due to messing up their ~/ with being root.
[18:22] <ironhalik> chown -R user:user /home/user/
[18:22] <ironhalik> ;>
[18:23] <ironhalik> anyway, I guess its a good idea to discourage user from using root shell
[18:23] <iceroot> ironhalik: more evil, starting something as root where it is not needed
[18:23] <iceroot> ironhalik: e.g. starting svn-server as root, teamspeak-server as root
[18:23] <iceroot> ironhalik: or the complete gui
[18:23] <ironhalik> but for those who know their CLI, and dont 'accidentally type rm -rf /', root shells are ok
[18:23] <iceroot> ironhalik: no
[18:23] <sahil_> hey how to speak to a single person here?like if someone trys to say me something,i get notifyed and text for me becomes red in color(sory for my poor english)
[18:23] <iceroot> ironhalik: and sudo rm -rf / is doing nothing
[18:24] <ironhalik> rm -rf ~/
[18:24] <iceroot> sahil_: just put there name infront of the text
[18:24] <ironhalik> rm -rf ~/*
[18:24] <ironhalik> :>
[18:24] <iceroot> !danger
[18:24] <iceroot> ironhalik: stop that
[18:24] <ironhalik> ah, sorry
[18:24] <iceroot> !tab | sahil_
[18:25] <sahil_> wow...are these bots autnomus?
[18:25] <sahil_> autonomas?
[18:25] <iceroot> !bot | sahil_
[18:25] <iceroot> sahil_: we are lazy so we have ubottu :)
[18:26] <sahil_> bots searches keywords within the text i guess?
[18:27] <iceroot> sahil_: the bot is searching for a keyword starting with ! and then writing the text which belongs to the keyword
[18:27] <sahil_> okey...
[18:28] <sahil_> hey is everybody happy with the scroling system of the dash?its so tiny...may b just 2-3 px width...
[18:30] <sahil_> iceroot, is it possible to keep filters of dash turned on by default?
[18:30] <iceroot> sahil_: sorry i dont use unity
[18:31] <sahil_> okey..is there another chanel for this?
[18:36] <iceroot> if you are using ubuntu 12.04 this channel, if you are using a version below 12.04 use #ubuntu
[18:39] <sahil_> 12.04.but u said u dnt use unity
[18:40] <guntbert> sahil_: there may be others here who can help you
[18:40] <iceroot> sahil_: i dont use unity, but i am not speaking for the complete channel
[18:40] <iceroot> sahil_: other users here are using unity
[18:41] <sahil_> okey.. :)
[18:41] <iceroot> not all but some of them :)
[18:41] <sahil_> is there any fix for ugly green skype icon...monochrome replacement?
[18:46] <guntbert> iceroot: what do you use instead - if I may ask?
[18:48] <iceroot> guntbert: lubuntu/lxde
[18:48] <guntbert> iceroot: thx
[18:59] <ironhalik> is there some particular time when ubuntu repos are updated with devs work?
[18:59] <ironhalik> any*
[19:00] <iceroot> ironhalik: no special time
[19:00] <Ampelbein> ironhalik: It's continuous process
[19:00] <ironhalik> k, thx
[19:00] <Ampelbein> ironhalik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule for a more general overview
[19:02] <ironhalik> Im thinking more about when updates to packages come out - fixes, etc
[19:03] <ironhalik> not whole alpha/beta builds
[19:03] <iceroot> ironhalik: no special time
[19:03] <iceroot> ironhalik: always is the correct answer :)
[19:03] <ironhalik> hmm k ;>
[19:03] <Ampelbein> ironhalik: You can subscribe to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/precise-changes to get informed of new package uploads by mail.
[19:17] <sahil_> hey guys.. i just broke my ubuntu
[19:17] <sahil_> :)
[19:18] <sahil_> i used ubuntu tweak and removed few config files and voila...unity doesnt start
[19:18] <sahil_> any suggestion?
[19:18] <iceroot> sahil_: try "unity --reset"
[19:19] <sahil_> m on gnome classic...will it work from here?
[19:21] <sahil_> iceroot,  notworking
[19:22]  * tekonivelo <3 Ubuntu
[19:24] <sahil_> u there?
[19:24] <sahil_> anyone here? :)
[19:25] <trism> sahil_: did you log out/back in to unity after the unity --reset?
[19:26] <sahil_> yes...crash dialog comeing up saying panal not working or stopped smthing then gnome clasic panal popping up
[19:27] <sahil_> http://pastebin.com/z12sJjvW
[19:28] <sahil_> this is what comes after unity--reset
[19:28] <DanaG> say, isn't unity supposed to now show a list of shortcuts upon holding "super"?
[19:28] <DanaG> It's not doing that for me.
[19:29] <DanaG> Unity-2D, more specifically.
[19:29] <DanaG> oh, it's unity 4.0 I have.
[19:34] <glosoli> DanaG: It does show, just hold for a bit longer ;D
[19:35] <ironhalik> hmm, nice, unit-2d looks almost like unity
[19:38] <DanaG> correction: it's 5.4.0
[19:39] <DanaG> okay, I held it for like 30 seconds, and got the numbers on the launcher, but not the big shortcut-list window.
[19:39] <ironhalik> Hmm, it doesnt show for me, too
[19:39] <ironhalik> same here
[19:42] <DanaG> hah, phoronix "btrfs fsck release is imminent".
[19:42] <DanaG> yeah, it's been "coming soon" for like 2 years, hasn't it?
[19:42] <DanaG> But that's off-topic.
[19:44] <DanaG> [6] Type mismatch: wanted Float, got String instead.  Main.?.0
[19:44] <DanaG> in myunity.
[19:46] <ironhalik> huh, I would need to report a bug about the bug-reporter :>
[19:47] <ironhalik> hows the crash reported named?
[19:49] <Ampelbein> ironhalik: apport
[19:51] <ironhalik> thx
[19:56] <DanaG> The program 'gconftool' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[19:56] <DanaG> apt-get install gconf2
[19:56] <DanaG> ... gconf2 is already the newest version.
[20:03] <bjsnider> DanaG, the btrfs devs didn't know how the fs would fail, so they could design a fsck right away
[20:10] <DanaG> bjsnider: yeah, that's understandable, but this message states things more clearly:
[20:10] <DanaG> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-btrfs/msg12742.html
[20:10] <DanaG> "  That 2 week time line has now reached the 9 week mark.  The only update anyone has seen was 7 weeks ago, with a 'maybe today'.   Isn't it time to get that code checked in so someone else can take over, and not have to start from scratch?  Even if there isn't any actual working code, having any failed attempts in source control would still be instructive to whoever takes over delivering an actual fsck tool."
[20:11] <DanaG> Anyway, I'll just wait to see what happens.
[20:30] <ironhalik> hmm, the new dash reveal mode is cool
[20:34] <DanaG> what does unity use to index music?
[20:34] <DanaG> Rhythmbox?
[20:44] <DanaG> Rhythmbox sees all my music; Unity sees none at all.
[20:49] <trism> DanaG: looking at the code, seems to use banshee, so I imagine pretty broken at the moment since the switch back to rhythmbox
[20:55] <DanaG> hmm, so installing banshee should fix it.
[20:55] <DanaG> or rather, work around it.
[21:02] <faenil> can anybody help me configure hostapd?
[21:10] <trism> DanaG: yep, that seems to do it, install banshee, import from rhythmbox, and for some reason, restart unity then the songs appear
[21:13] <DanaG> hah, as unstable as it is, I'm finding xfreerdp-server (not packaged) way more usable than VNC.
[21:13] <DanaG> VNC is always terribly laggy.  RDP works really well, but tends to stop responding if I alt-tab.
[21:14] <DanaG> What'd be the ultimate level of awesomeness from the rdp server: to have it behav the same as Windows Server.  Multiple, detachable sessions, with audio redirection.
[21:15] <penguin42> DanaG: Are you using this on a physical server?
[21:16] <penguin42> DanaG: Or a VM?
[21:20] <DanaG> It's a physical server, with no local monitor.
[21:20] <penguin42> ah ok; just say because Spice on VMs is coming on nicely as an alternative to vnc
[21:20] <DanaG> Yeah, too bad the HP Microserver lacks an iommu.
[21:22] <DanaG> now, how do I get the equivalent of "gnome-screensaver-command --lock"?  Just dbus-send?
[21:33] <trism> DanaG: dbus-send --session --type=method_call --dest=org.gnome.ScreenSaver / org.gnome.ScreenSaver.Lock;
[21:34] <DanaG> org.gnome.screensaver doesn't exist in d-feet on the session bus.
[21:34] <DanaG> But gnome-screensaver is not installed... if I install it, is it the modern gnome3 version?
[21:35] <trism> DanaG: version 3.2.1
[21:35] <ironhalik> apt-cache show gnome-screensaver
[21:35] <ironhalik> yup, 3.2.1
[21:37] <DanaG> thanks.


[05:05] <knightwise> morning everyone!
[05:06] <shauno> howdy
[05:06] <knightwise> hey shauno , how are you today
[05:07] <shauno> awake :(
[05:07] <HazRPG> \o
[05:07] <HazRPG> (me raising hand in agreement that we is awake)
[05:07] <HazRPG> I haven't slept o.O
[05:08] <HazRPG> got home @ midnight, read e-mail... and went "ah fudgesticks" and started doing work
[05:08] <knightwise> hey HazRPG
[05:08] <knightwise> i'm up too :)
[05:08] <shauno> I pretty much have to atm.  12hr shifts for the next 3 weeks :)
[05:08] <knightwise> getting my geek on in the morning ,
[05:08] <HazRPG> \o/
[05:08] <knightwise> doing some intstalls , moving some systems around the house , stuff like that
[05:09] <HazRPG> double: \o/
[05:09] <HazRPG> nothing like kick starting the day, with a bit of geeking/nerding :)
[05:09] <HazRPG> or in my case... not actually sleeping o.O
[05:11] <knightwise> yep , prepped my Amahi server to go live , setup secondary subnet in the house for testing , got boxee box installed for reviewing on the website, and currently installing a *cough* windows7 machine for a friend
[05:11] <knightwise> while downloading the new linux mint to put on my personal machine
[05:11] <HazRPG> win
[05:11] <HazRPG> not sure if ubuntu 10.10 is going to be my cup of tea yet
[05:12] <knightwise> 11.04 you mean ?
[05:12] <MartijnVdS> or 11.10?
[05:12] <HazRPG> er... Freudian slip xD - I meant 11.10
[05:12] <MartijnVdS> ^5 HazRPG
[05:12] <HazRPG> I may end up having to build/find updates for 10.10 indefinitely
[05:12] <knightwise> i'm not even going for 11.04 i think
[05:12] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: +1!
[05:12] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: there's Debian.. :) But I've found that it's possible to get used to Unity
[05:13] <knightwise> hmm , i thought about giving it a try , but i love consistency
[05:13] <shauno> nothing a lil lobotomy can't fix ;)
[05:13] <MartijnVdS> shauno: hmm alcohol :P
[05:13] <knightwise> i'm downloading the rolling release of mint right now
[05:13] <HazRPG> knightwise: I tried it in beta... didn't like it... tried it before release... still didn't like it... installed it on laptop before I went to egypt when it got released... it failed horribly over there... (gladly I always have a USB drive with an installer on it to revert to what I'd consider "stable" version)
[05:14] <shauno> ow .. I appear to have left my powersupply at home :(
[05:14] <HazRPG> shauno: -1 :(
[05:14] <MartijnVdS> shauno: short work day!
[05:14] <knightwise> HazRPG: would you suggest going for another distro / version of mint ?
[05:15] <shauno> naw, it's just going to severely cramp my ability to shoot germans while trying to pass time :(
[05:15] <MartijnVdS> shauno: "Laptop's empty. Pub time!"
[05:15] <HazRPG> knightwise: personally I dislike mint because it looks too much like windows :/
[05:15] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you're supposed to be able to install Gnome 3 on oneiric
[05:15] <HazRPG> knightwise: my reasoning is, if I wanted something to look like windows, I'd use windows :P
[05:15] <knightwise> lol , thats true
[05:15] <knightwise> i like mint because it DOESNT look like unity
[05:15] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I read about that, but I don't know if I like Gnome3 either xD
[05:16] <HazRPG> knightwise: what's mint currently rolling with at the moment? Gnome2 or Gnome3?
[05:16] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Although, I must admit Gnome 3 > Unity so far
[05:17] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I'm just not sure if I'm ready for such radical changes to my desktop yet :(
[05:17] <MartijnVdS> I used Gnome 2 like I use unity now..
[05:17] <MartijnVdS> the launchers are just on the left instead of in the panel
[05:17] <knightwise> gnome2
[05:17] <MartijnVdS> also, I still don't know the names of things (lenses? wut?)
[05:17] <HazRPG> see, I'm not a fan of launchers
[05:18] <knightwise> same here
[05:18] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: how do you start programs then?
[05:18] <knightwise> call me oldschool but .. i'm currently running 11.04 with gnome 2 on my Imac
[05:18] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ALT+F2 xD
[05:18] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: or using the main menu
[05:18] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: too much typing for a terminal ;)
[05:19] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I like my "OPEN A NEW TERMINAL NAO" button :)
[05:19] <HazRPG> I have that too :P
[05:19] <HazRPG> mod4+T
[05:19] <HazRPG> just because CTRL+ALT+T was too awkward for my hands
[05:20] <HazRPG> I'm really tempted to actually give Gnome 3 another try, see if I can get use to it
[05:20] <HazRPG> but I like my panels too much :(
[05:21] <HazRPG> feels wrong and dirty to not be able to see instantly at the bottom what I have running
[05:21] <knightwise> I must say , i use a lot of Xforwarding to run apps that i have isntalled on other machines , so it doesnt REALLY matter to me what shell i use , i've kinda "distributed" my computing allthrough the house (and beyond) these days
[05:21] <HazRPG> (with full titles)
[05:21] <HazRPG> knightwise: heh :P
[05:22] <HazRPG> crap, just noticed the sticky on my desktop!
[05:22] <HazRPG> *runs to take out gardening waste*
[05:24] <HazRPG> \o
[05:24] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: what's your "run terminal nao" button?
[05:24] <knightwise> did a jailbreak on my ipad yesterday :)
[05:25] <HazRPG> knightwise: score
[05:25] <knightwise> jailbreakme.com
[05:25] <knightwise> all you need to do is surf to the site with your safari browser on your ipad / ipod
[05:25] <knightwise> et voila
[05:26] <knightwise> just ssh'd into my ipod :)
[05:48] <knightwise> hmm
[05:48] <knightwise> i accidently installed the "lubuntu desktop" on one of my remote machines ,
[05:49] <knightwise> and i seem to be unable to get it off .. :(
[05:49] <shauno> that's quite a slip
[06:38] <BigRedS> knightwise: what does  an apt-get remove lubuntu-desktop do?
[06:42] <knightwise> i tried that but i still get the gui login screen , v
[06:42] <knightwise> very strange
[06:43] <shauno> so, on the plus side, tmux uses a lot less memory than screen.  on the downside, it keeps sticking it's head up it's rear until I kill it.  rather annoying :(
[06:44] <BigRedS> knightwise: yu'll probably need to do an apt-get autoremove, too
[06:44] <BigRedS> 'cause the *-desktop packages just depend upon what's needed for the desktop
[06:44] <BigRedS> I think
[06:45]  * BigRedS generally ignores gui things
[06:45] <knightwise> BigRedS: i am starting to agree with you
[06:45]  * knightwise loves his cli irssi
[06:46] <MooDoo> morning
[06:46] <BigRedS> good morning
[06:55] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it's a big button on the unity bar on the left
[06:56] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ah
[06:56] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:01] <MooDoo> czajkowski, hi, how are you today?
[07:08] <czajkowski> tired woken up by stupid builders at 7:30a
[07:08] <czajkowski> m
[07:12] <Gary> any cute ones?
[07:12] <czajkowski> no idea i cant see them to throw things at them
[07:12] <Gary> aww, thats so unfair
[07:14] <MooDoo> bloomin windows server reboots
[07:23] <daubers> Morning
[07:23] <MooDoo> morning daubers
[07:29] <popey> MooDoo: http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_15
[07:29] <popey> :D
[07:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> all bow to popey the great.
[07:31] <MooDoo> popey, yeah i saw it :)  You dislike forums :)       maybe we should do this for ubuntu uk.....:)  would be a laugh :D lol
[07:32] <popey> MooDoo: like we haven't had that discussion a few times before
[07:32] <MooDoo> i'll pay you a daubers and raise you a popey :)
[07:32] <MooDoo> popey, oh i know, just made me smile :)
[07:32] <knightwise> We could do strip-poker with these cards
[07:32] <MooDoo> steady
[07:32] <AlanBell> we did do profile roulette a while ago
[07:33] <MooDoo> printable ones, good for recognising people at events and such :)
[07:33] <AlanBell> http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_13 unlucky for some
[07:34] <AlanBell> http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_11 nice Union Jack there czajkowski
[07:34] <daubers> MooDoo: Wah?
[07:35] <MooDoo> daubers, nothing just being silly.....poker/top trumps with the ubuntu community week collector cards :)
[07:35] <daubers> Oh! Ok
[07:35] <daubers> MooDoo: I won't be on one! I've not done anything noteable
[07:36] <MooDoo> daubers, neither of i, but you're known in here, i'm sure that's enough :)
[07:36] <daubers> Although, I have been tempted to buy some blank playing cards, print those out and then actually use them for top trumps at Oggcamp
[07:39] <MooDoo> daubers, i'm not going to oggcamp :(
[07:39] <daubers> MooDoo: Rubbish :(
[07:40] <MooDoo> daubers, darn wife got pregnant ;)  and she'll be 8 months by then, i suppose i better look after her ;)
[07:41] <daubers> MooDoo: Yeah... might be the best idea
[07:42] <MooDoo> daubers, ooo that reminds me ubuntu baby grow :)
[07:44] <AlanBell> I can just picture you in one
[07:44] <MooDoo> AlanBell, you have a warped mind mr ;)
[07:45] <AlanBell> true
[07:46] <ikonia> directhex: the fact that you remembered my pain and have decided to ease my suffering makes me love you more
[07:46] <MooDoo> ikonia, creep ;)
[07:49] <j0nr> The Ubuntu logo might be the perfect shape for a teething ring
[07:50] <knightwise> LOLZ
[07:50] <knightwise> and here i was thinking that I was a nerd
[07:51] <MooDoo> knightwise, you are :p
[07:53] <knightwise> MooDoo: ah ..yes ..
[07:53] <knightwise> indeed i am ! :)
[07:55]  * daubers blocks "progressiverecruitment" from the work mailserver
[07:55] <daubers> 2 spammy emails a day is too much
[07:55] <knightwise> hahah :) smtp nazi ! :)
[07:56] <daubers> Also need to print a "Please don't park in these spaces" sign for the idiot in the jag whose parked in our spaces and will probably get walloped by the first delivery lorry of the day
[07:57] <MooDoo> daubers, wouldn't worry about that, he'll learn when they have a dent in the car.....happened where i live
[07:58] <MooDoo> daubers, someone parked on the wrong side of the road and when asked to move it refused stating they were allowed to park there......fire engine on a call thought differently
[07:58] <daubers> MooDoo: Just important to put the "We accept no liability that may occur from you parking in these space when you shouldn't be"
[08:04] <knightwise> or ' Unfortunately your car got smashed by a teenage dalek with anger management issues. We apologise for the inconvenience"
[08:05] <daubers> knightwise: Or I just go to halfords, buy a clamp and clamp the bugger.
[08:05] <daubers> There is a sign up saying "Illegally parked vehicles may be clamped"
[08:05] <daubers> Charge him £100 for a release fee, then burn the cash in front of him
[08:05] <knightwise> LOL :)
[08:05] <MooDoo> put one of those windscreen stickers on it that say "don't park here" and rip into little bits when you try to take it off
[08:06] <knightwise> that last bit is the  bomb
[08:14] <JGJones> MooDoo, apparently they already did that at Silverstone for the F1
[08:14] <JGJones> On all the cars or something
[08:14] <JGJones> my dad who went told me that the stickers that they slap on for the car park was hell to peel off - heat from the sun seem to have welded it to the windscreen
[08:17] <oimon> a bit like the stickers they used to stick on CDs in hmv
[08:17] <oimon> as a teenager i had a bit of OCD about stickers + glue marks on my lovely CD cases,
[08:36]  * daubers gives the vpn server a gentle kicking
[08:36] <bigcalm> Good morning awake peoples :)
[08:44] <daubers> o/
[08:44] <MooDoo> bigcalm, hi
[08:45] <dwatkins> hihi
[09:00]  * bigcalm ponders which domain to ad a + redirect to
[09:00] <bigcalm> s/ad/add/
[09:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:03]  * davmor2 gives czajkowski a prod to make sure shes with us
[09:12] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:13] <czajkowski> meh
[09:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: Morning dude
[09:14] <MooDoo> czajkowski, wassup....you're being grumpier than normal
[09:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: :( that's not a happy face meh it not even a half baked attempt at a decent meh
[09:14] <czajkowski> builders waking me after I'd only gotten back to sleep at 5am
[09:15] <czajkowski> I swear I slept more as a baby than I do now
[09:15] <MooDoo> 5am....wow hard life aint it :p
[09:15] <davmor2> czajkowski: Ah yeap that would do it
[09:15] <czajkowski> somewhere along the line I forgot how to sleep through the night
[09:16] <MooDoo> czajkowski, think of it as practive for when/if you have kids :p
[09:17] <davmor2> czajkowski: that's easy, when I'm in London next I'll bring the mallet and show you :P
[09:20] <MooDoo> davmor2, when i'm in london next i'll bring whisky,it's the same effect :)
[09:21] <czajkowski> davmor2: when are you here next
[09:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: czajkowski doesn't do whisky
[09:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: 15-19th of august
[09:21] <MooDoo> davmor2, s/whisky/something else
[09:21] <czajkowski> davmor2: so after oggcamp
[09:21] <czajkowski> cool,
[09:22] <czajkowski> davmor2: I do love my JD!!!!!
[09:22] <MooDoo> davmor2, czajkowski JD evening i think then :)
[09:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: JD is a bourbon it isn't left in cask long enough to be whisky
[09:25] <daubers> Whiskey \o/
[09:25] <daubers> JD /o\
[09:25] <jpds> You guys are going shopping for shoes?
[09:25] <czajkowski> CAKE MAN!
[09:25] <czajkowski> daubers: remember you owe me cake at oggcamp
[09:25] <daubers> Cake \o/
[09:25] <daubers> czajkowski: Yup, I owe a couple of peopl ecake
[09:26] <daubers> people cake even
[09:26] <daubers> Probably just make a big cak
[09:26] <daubers> e
[09:26] <czajkowski> daubers: yes indeeed,
[09:26] <czajkowski> but I'm special
[09:26] <czajkowski> I have to deal with MooDoo and davmor2 on a daily basis!
[09:27] <daubers> czajkowski: So what you really need is a supply of custard pies and a catapult?
[09:27] <davmor2> czajkowski: Hey no fair we both have to put with you I know which is worse :P
[09:29] <czajkowski> daubers: ohhh yes pie in the face to raise funds for the team
[09:29] <czajkowski> I nominate davmor2 to sit in the chair for the day
[09:30] <czajkowski> a quid a pie
[09:30] <czajkowski> make a fortune
[09:30] <czajkowski> *grin*
[09:30] <davmor2> hmmmmm pie
[09:30] <daubers> czajkowski: You'd be bankrupt in an hour
[09:31] <czajkowski> but would be so worth t
[09:32] <czajkowski> and others would chip in too
[09:32] <czajkowski> we could alternate between a davmor2 and a Daviey for pie in the face
[09:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: What did Daviey do?
[09:33] <czajkowski> it's Daviey always blame Dave2
[09:33] <czajkowski> Daviey:
[09:36] <andylockran> howdy
[09:36] <MooDoo> czajkowski, you'd miss us if we wasn't here
[09:36] <bigcalm> I jumped on the band-wagon: http://cuth.eu/+
[09:37] <andylockran> woop
[09:42] <bigcalm_> ¬.¬
[09:45] <bigcalm_> Damn you intermittant internet connection in just one server
[09:49] <gord> also me, http://gordallott.com/+ - its amazing how no matter how many times i have to edit apache config files, i always come away learning nothing
[09:51] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:52] <bigcalm> gord: I added an extra redirect rule to my urlshortener site to redirect to an existing redirect slug
[09:52] <bigcalm> so: /+ -> /gplus -> happy fun time
[09:53] <bigcalm> Though I do have the ability to put + at the end of slugs to stop the redirection and see what the original URL is, it won't work for /++ ;)
[10:00] <czajkows1i> Gary: ping
[10:19] <gord> for all the fuss some people make about the contributor agreement canonical has, i'v never once sent out a "hey can you sign up to the contributor agreement?" email to a contributor that ever caused a fuss, people seem fairly willing
[10:20] <Gary> czajkowski: hey ya, wassup?
[10:23] <knightwise> hahahah :) i love Xforwarding :)
[10:24] <czajkowski> Gary: tis ok now
[10:24] <Gary> phew
[10:26] <davmor2> Gary: czajkowski was lining you up for a slap I'll tell you ;)
[10:26] <Gary> nah, she knows I like them
[10:26]  * Gary tickles cz<tab>
[10:30] <MooDoo> can i have a slap please?
[10:30]  * andylockran slaps MooDoo
[10:32] <MooDoo> i needed that :)
[10:36]  * Gary tickles MooDoo inappropriately
[10:37]  * MooDoo giggles
[10:37] <MooDoo> oh behave
[10:42]  * davmor2 slaps MooDoo with a cricket bat, anything to help a friend :D
[10:42] <popey> shauno: where did you get your OWC data doubler?
[10:42] <popey> shauno: i.e. did you get it shipped from the US?
[10:47] <shauno> I did
[10:48] <shauno> owc & macsales are the same company. not seen much of their stuff elsewhere :/
[10:48] <shauno> funny enough tho, I ordered it the same day as my ram from the UK.  the datadoubler got here first
[10:59] <popey> shauno: http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_nkw=macbook+pro+caddy&_sacat=0&_odkw=macbook+pro+dvd+caddy&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313
[11:02] <shauno> didn't think to try ebay .. I took the lazy option & got it bundled with the ssd & external dvd caddy
[11:10] <hoover> hi all
[11:42] <daubers> urgh, it's a telephone day today.
[11:46] <shauno> telephone day?
[11:47] <daubers> shauno: Constantly on the phone either giving support, or explaining system designs/capabilities
[11:47] <daubers> i.e. no actual engineering today
[11:47] <shauno> oh.  welcome to my life :p
[11:48] <daubers> shauno: This always happens when the bosses and the sales guy are out at the same time
[11:51] <czajkowski> c
[11:52] <daubers> d
[11:53] <brobostigon> z
[11:53] <knightwise> m
[11:54] <MooDoo> y m c a?
[11:54] <BigRedS> ddojsioc?
[11:55] <Laney> idkfa
[11:55] <MooDoo> wtf?
[11:55] <daubers> \o/ ^o^ o< /o\
[11:55]  * BigRedS bought that on steam the other day
[11:55]  * brobostigon fully expects someone to spell out leters in binary in a minute.
[11:55] <BigRedS> iddqd
[11:55] <shauno> I woulda, but they didn't have mac bulids :(
[11:57] <BigRedS> shauno: I assumed the licenses were transferable
[11:57] <BigRedS> are they not?
[11:57] <BigRedS> so if i've bought Doom I can play in on a windows box or a mac
[11:58]  * BigRedS ponders trying to get #hacking on twiter to be full of tweets about hacking
[12:06] <oimon> my android hpone space keeps filling up :( need to apply a custom rom soon
[12:06] <oimon> realised that none of my email or notifications had arrived on my phone all day due to space issues
[12:07] <MooDoo> oimon, cyanogen
[12:07] <oimon> yeah, how u getting on with it?
[12:08] <oimon> not looking forward to reinstalling all my apps again though :(
[12:09] <oimon> MooDoo: is there part of the process that saves the apps for you?
[12:11] <MooDoo> oimon, can't remember - try looking at this - http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/20119-cyanogenmod-7-for-the-htc-desire-cdma-v703-5-may-2011/
[12:11] <oimon> cool cheers
[12:14] <knightwise> ahaa
[12:14] <knightwise> ommwriter is out for the ipad
[12:28]  * daubers misread that as oomwriter and wondered why anyone would want an out of memory writer?
[12:30] <knightwise> ah yes
[12:30] <knightwise> that would make a great procrastination tool
[12:32]  * daubers really needs a new videocamera :(
[12:38] <oimon> watching that video clip of dave grohl chuck someone out of his concert lol
[13:02] <MooDoo> *sigh* i'm so fed up
[13:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's tends to be the case after Lunch if you were still empty it's time to worry :D
[13:06]  * popey tickles MooDoo
[13:07] <MooDoo> davmor2, smart arse.
[13:07] <MooDoo> popey, er not you as well
[13:07] <MooDoo> #dd4814 is the new black :) lol
[13:07] <popey> i was || that close to registering dd4814.com :D
[13:08] <popey> and the other one
[13:08] <MooDoo> lol
[13:08] <popey> but now I have said that, MooDoo will do it.
[13:08] <davmor2> haha
[13:08] <davmor2> popey: that's devious
[13:08] <MooDoo> popey, nope it's your idea :)
[13:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: why you fed up chap?
[13:08] <oimon> doesn't look much different from dd4813 though
[13:09] <MooDoo> davmor2, just having a lack of motivation day :)
[13:09]  * davmor2 preps the cattle prod
[13:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: I can help with that
[13:10] <MooDoo> lol
[13:12] <MooDoo> popey, yup looks like both domains are free ;)
[13:14] <davmor2> popey: what would you do with it just a page of orange and a page of purple (umh aubergine)
[13:14] <andylockran> happy days
[13:15] <MooDoo> i would do that, just for the hell of it :D
[13:15] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[13:17] <davmor2> MooDoo: see popey goes out of his way to find you something to do and your not interested are you ;)
[13:17] <MooDoo> davmor2, i've just created a page of dd4824 and i'm not that nasty to have it as a web page......yuk lol
[13:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: well the other fun one would be a block of green with one pixel the right colour and play find the dd4814 and have linked to ubuntu.com :D
[13:20] <MooDoo> davmor2, if the domains are still available when i get paid, i'll register them :D
[13:20] <oimon> how much do domains cost noawadays?
[13:20] <oimon> £3?
[13:20] <MooDoo> nah
[13:20]  * oimon has never bought a personal domain
[13:21] <Azelphur> oimon something like that
[13:21] <Azelphur> lmao, nice pidgin...it's glitched out and is saying there's like 4 of each individual person in this channel
[13:21] <MooDoo> oimon .co.uk 5.58 which is for 2 years   .com 8.49 for 1 year
[13:22] <MooDoo> that ex vat
[13:26] <oimon> meh
[13:26] <MooDoo> ?
[13:26] <oimon> rather spend it on a curry lol
[13:27] <MooDoo> heh
[13:27] <oimon> my employer gives me unlimited web space if i want it
[13:27] <MooDoo> oimon, mine too ;)
[13:29] <andylockran> mine didn't
[13:29] <oimon> trying chromiumos again with my eee pc
[13:29] <andylockran> :@)
[13:29] <MooDoo> although i'm am self hosting at the mo in my garage :D
[13:29] <bigcalm> oimon: let me know how you get on
[13:30] <oimon> bigcalm: i don't have high hopes..failed a few months ago, can't remember why
[13:30] <hoover> hey biggie!
[13:30] <bigcalm> Ah well
[13:30] <bigcalm> Hi Hoovie :)
[13:35] <Laney> gwibber is quite plainly refusing to show me some tweets
[13:35]  * Laney stabs it
[13:36] <oimon> interested to see gwibber has been rewritten to work properly
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> does gwibber do g+?
[13:37] <oimon> not yet
[13:37] <oimon> nothing does yet
[13:37] <oimon> due to lack of api
[13:37] <Laney> tried to build the new version
[13:37] <Laney> nothing doing
[13:38] <oimon> boo
[13:38] <oimon> the only thing that could entice me back to gwibber was a rewrite from scratch :D
[13:38] <davmor2> Laney: you in oneiric?  if not then I thing a bunch of stuff won't build as it depend on gtk+ 3.0 iirc
[13:38] <Laney> davmor2: no
[13:38] <Laney> it ends up with some libdee api error
[13:39] <davmor2> Laney: it's available in LP libdee it's new to oneiric
[13:40] <Laney> i have it
[13:40] <MooDoo> hmmmm wonder if the next ubuntu-uk meeting should be a google+ hangout one :) that would be fun :)
[13:41] <Laney> i see, looks like it depends on some unmerged feature
[13:41] <Laney> :q
[13:41] <daubers> MooDoo: Unless you don't have a G+ account......
[13:42] <MooDoo> well there is that :)
[13:42] <davmor2> daubers: I think there are enough people that do that we can invite the people who aren't
[13:43] <Laney> aha
[13:43] <Laney> we have a build!
[13:44] <daubers> davmor2: We should really do a big meeting where we organise a dozen pub type locations around the UK and have a big hangout that way. 2 or 3 (or more) people to a G+ hangout thing
[13:45] <Laney> oh, no more multiple columns
[13:46] <oimon> Laney: would be nice to see a screenshot if poss
[13:46] <davmor2> oimon: there is a video
[13:46] <brobostigon> i still think, we have had success with mumble, and that works.
[13:46] <Laney> you don't want to see a screenshot of my desktop
[13:47] <davmor2> Laney: you can do just the open window :D
[13:47] <daubers> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14135523 Pastafarianism ftw \o/
[13:48]  * oimon always likes to see desktop screenies
[13:48] <Laney> erm ok
[13:50] <Laney> http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/gwibber.png
[13:51] <oimon> wow looks ugly :-\
[13:51] <Laney> it looks better on the screenshots
[13:51] <Laney> probably my gtk theme
[13:53] <davmor2> oimon: http://ubuntuone.com/p/1487/
[13:55] <oimon> davmor2: doesn't work i'm afraid. however found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqoaB5uvm-k
[13:57] <davmor2> oimon: that similar
[13:58] <davmor2> oimon: I can't wait for it to arrive in oneiric
[13:59] <Laney> wah that I can't see my different twitter lists individually
[14:01] <oimon> chromium vanilla works on my office laptop but not the eee pc :(
[14:02] <Azelphur> just had an interesting convo with the irc protocol dev for pidgin :)
[14:03] <Azelphur> apparently he's open to patches on implementing all the missing irc support pidgin has
[14:04] <Azelphur> pidgin being a full featured irc client = cool, no? :P
[14:04] <davmor2> Azelphur: I see you mistake there you put a ? instead of a ! it's an easy mistake ;)
[14:05] <Azelphur> lol
[14:05] <oimon> Azelphur: which features?
[14:05] <Azelphur> all the unsupported irc commands that do nothing
[14:06] <Azelphur> he seems ok with a "Message from server" mechanic being added to the core, and any unhandled IRC command reply being sent to that
[14:06] <Azelphur> which would mean full support for all IRC clients \o/
[14:06]  * oimon uses pidgin for irc
[14:07] <oimon> + the irc plugins
[14:07] <Azelphur> same
[14:07] <Azelphur> but if you try and use any particularly useful commands, stats, motd, rehash, etc etc
[14:07] <Azelphur> you get no reply whatsoever
[14:08] <Azelphur> these can all be implemented reasonably easy in theory :)
[14:08] <Azelphur> unfortunately my C's a bit too weak to do it as I'm more of a snakes guy
[14:08] <davmor2> pidgin an empathy both do basic chat fine, and irc chat,  but I don't want them to do more than that,  for advanced features use a full blown client it's what they are there for and why they are better :D
[14:08] <Azelphur> I don't see why pidgin can't be a full featured IRC client tbh
[14:08] <oimon> pidgin is "better" for me because of docky integration
[14:09] <Azelphur> I like the multiprotocol myself :)
[14:09] <oimon> tells me the number of new messages via a number on the pidgin icon on the dock
[14:10] <Azelphur> but yea, it'd be interesting if all the replies could be handled
[14:10] <davmor2> oimon: I get the same thing from xchat in unity :D
[14:10] <oimon> ah, cool
[14:23] <hoover> cheers all!
[15:00] <davmor2> popey: If you see this do not approach him he is a dangerous axe murderer and Ubuntu and Mac Fanboy ;) http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_15
[15:00] <davmor2> popey: you take a serious photo dude :)
[15:00] <popey> davmor2: you are not the first person to suggest I look like an axe murderer
[15:01] <popey> although why I would want to kill innocent axes is beyond me
[15:01] <directhex> BLARG. who understands django?
[15:01]  * popey points directhex at Daviey
[15:01] <davmor2> directhex: I don't
[15:02] <davmor2> directhex I know a man in the pub who might
[15:04] <davmor2> popey: haha nice, maybe the axe attacked your family then you'd want to murder it, you know it's true,  you're getting angry with axes now just thinking about it you know you are ;)
[15:04] <popey> i am at peace with axes
[15:05] <dutchie> directhex: i have been known to write in django once or twice, but nothing particularly deep...
[15:05] <gord> i miss django :) it was kinda like minecraft, you started with nothing and built everything yourself rather easily
[15:05] <directhex> ImportError: Could not import settings 'chronophage.settings' (Is it on sys.path? Does it have syntax errors?): No module named chronophage.settings
[15:09] <davmor2> popey: hippy! ;)
[15:09]  * popey points davmor2 at dholbach
[15:09] <davmor2> popey: Why?
[15:10] <popey> nvm
[15:38] <AlanBell> evening all
[15:38] <popey> Pip pip!
[15:38] <brobostigon> afternoonings AlanBell
[15:39] <gord> ahoy-hoy
[15:39]  * AlanBell is in the pub so it is evening
[15:39] <davmor2> AlanBell: Hello
[15:40]  * brobostigon is jealous of AlanBell
[15:40] <brobostigon> although it is beer festival in my local, this weekend, :)
[15:41] <AlanBell> theopensourcerer is here too
[15:42] <brobostigon> cool. business or pleasure ? or both.
[15:42]  * popey wonders which pub
[15:43] <davmor2> popey: the one by the road
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> with the people?
[16:25] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: you been there too
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: all the time
[16:25] <brobostigon> fternoonings MartijnVdS nd davmor2 o/
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> evening brobostigon ;)
[16:25] <davmor2> lo brobostigon
[16:25] <brobostigon> :)
[16:25] <popey> brobostigon: found a white eee 900
[16:26] <brobostigon> popey: :)
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> it seems like ANY qt app on oneiric + unity is broken atm..
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> QWidget::setMinimumSize: (/MainWindow) The largest allowed size is (16777215,16777215)
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> Calibre, Picard, VLC
[16:30] <brobostigon> popey: wht cn i do, to acquire it or parts from it, from you, plese.
[16:31] <gord> MartijnVdS, fairly up to date, qt apps work fine here
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> gord: maximized?
[16:31] <gord> yup
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> gord: I don't have appmenu-qt installed, could that me causing it?
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> compiz (opengl) - Info: Couldn't bind redirected window 0x4e00042 to texture
[16:32] <gord> i use kdevelop as my IDE for unity, i would know if qt was broken ;)
[16:32] <dutchie> directhex: does ./chronophage/settings.py exist?
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> gord: oh and lots of thins like this  throughout the day:
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> WARN  2011-07-13 18:25:56 glib <unknown>:0 Failed to fetch view type at /org/ayatana/bamf/application0x11868e0: Method "ViewType" with signature "" on interface "org.ayatana.bamf.view" doesn't exist
[16:33] <gord> sounds like your system be crazy
[16:33] <directhex> dutchie, yeah. turns out it was a permissions error.
[16:33] <popey> brobostigon: what's up with your one?
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> gord: it's a normal Oneiric system as far as I can tell
[16:34] <dutchie> directhex: ah, ok :)
[16:34] <brobostigon> popey: dead keyboard, due to me bad handling of a cup of coffee. most of the keys are dead.
[16:35] <brobostigon> to my*
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> aww
[16:35] <directhex> dutchie, turns out www-data wasn't in the group which owned the files, which only mattered for the file which wasn't a+r
[16:36] <popey> brobostigon: but the computer itself works?
[16:36] <brobostigon> popey: everything up to now, tht i have tested, seems to be working fine, yes.
[16:37] <brobostigon> i had some concerns about the touchpad, but that seems to be working fine.
[16:41] <dutchie> directhex: ah yes
[16:42] <ikonia> directhex: thank you for the note on custom text tones, you have made my day
[16:42] <ikonia> popey: your collectors card is out of date
[16:42] <directhex> ikonia, thank keybuk, saw it on his twitters
[16:42] <popey> how so?
[16:42] <ikonia> popey: it doesn't say Community council
[16:43] <ikonia> directhex: I'm aroused by this
[16:43] <popey> thats not out of date
[16:43] <ikonia> popey: oh : ?
[16:43] <popey> thats just "it doesnt fit"
[16:43] <ikonia> ahhhh
[16:43] <ikonia> it's doing you a disservice
[16:43] <popey> hah
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> it's not on the other side of the picture? :P
[16:43] <popey> its underneath it
[16:43] <popey> peel it back
[16:44] <ikonia> I was hoping for a picture of his bum in tight pants
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> in the alt tag
[16:44] <popey> you need to get your fingernail right under it
[16:44] <ikonia> (on the reverse)
[16:44] <popey> O_O
[16:44] <popey> ⍥ even
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[16:52] <brobostigon> popey: i think i might just get s simple usb keyboard, probeblky cheaper than trying to buy a new eeepc keyboard, i dont know yet.
[16:52] <popey> well I am happy to post this one to you
[16:53] <brobostigon> popey: thank you, how much do you want me to paypal you?
[16:54] <popey> well.. have you seen there are loads on ebay
[16:55] <popey> mostly under a tenner, many with free postage
[16:55] <daftykins> hey all
[16:55] <brobostigon> popey: i havent looked on ebay yet.
[16:55] <popey> I'm kinda busy and it's hard for me to get to the post office, so can't guarantee when I can post it
[16:55] <popey> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Asus-Eee-PC-EeePC-700-701-900-901-UK-Keyboard-Black-/270607965511?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_KeyboardsMice&hash=item3f017ddd47
[16:55] <popey> for example
[16:55] <popey> so if you're in a hurry, don't want for mine
[16:56] <brobostigon> popey: no,i am in no rush, i digged out the thinkpad we had the xorg issues with, a few years ago.
[16:57] <brobostigon> i will also research on ebay, as i havent looked there yet.
[16:57] <brobostigon> although, as i found out then, it barely runs a terminal, and FF inside 121mb ram.
[16:58] <brobostigon> popey: thank you.
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> Time to try chrome/chromium?
[16:58] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: works even slower on this thinkpad. than the version of FF i had on 9.10,
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> I think I'll just take my Xoom next week
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> (to London)
[16:59] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: but there isnt much me trying to upgrade it. if so, i would probebly be putting debian on it, rather than ubuntu now. as it is more ram friendly.
[17:01] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: and yes, i have chrome nd chromium from that period on this machine.
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: must be a really tough old machine :)
[17:02] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: quite, my thinkpad is/ws, i bought it ten years ago, while at college.
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: <1GHz?
[17:02] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: 333mhz/
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> I remember my first laptop
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> a 600MHz thingy
[17:03] <brobostigon> :)
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> took it to the first UDS (not called that yet) in '04
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> december of '04
[17:04] <brobostigon> cool
[17:05] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: atm, as it was two years ago, it has openbox, with xterm, and that is about it.
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> I sold mine long ago
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> first, I replaced it with a https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam laptop
[17:06] <brobostigon> it is my first, i dont think i would ever get rid of it. it is dead reliable aswell.
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HPNW8240
[17:09] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I had a 1920x1200 screen in 2005 :) that rocked
[17:10] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: cool, :) yeah.
[17:13] <Laney> imagine you have a 500gb drive and 2x1gb in raid 1. how would you lay out a new installation?
[17:13] <MartijnVdS>  /, /home
[17:13] <popey> +1
[17:14] <Laney> spiffing idea
[17:14] <popey> or put it all on / on raid 1 and use the 500 for backups
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> maybe /data and have /home and /srv be a symlink to /data/home and /data/srv so they share the room
[17:14] <popey> redundancy and backups \o/
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> backups of backups \o/
[17:15] <Laney> i'll probably put /etc on there
[17:15] <Laney> as well
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> Laney: that might be harder
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> Laney: as /etc is (a) small, and (b) /etc/fstab is required for a few booting bits
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> Laney: also, /etc/init*
[17:16] <Laney> before drives are mounted?
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> Laney: only / is mounted at first.. it needs /etc/fstab to mount the rest
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> Laney: if /etc/fstab is on a different fs, it won't work
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> Laney: also, it won't know it should even do that if there are no init scripts/upstart jobs in /etc because /etc isn't there yet
[17:23] <Laney> you could do it in the initramfs
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> You could, but it would be fragile and prone to break
[17:24] <Laney> not necessarily
[17:25] <Laney> anyway, i'll probably use etckeeper instead
[18:29] <Azelphur> Does anyone know what the input device is in this video? it looks pretty awesome :o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTx3G6h2xyA
[18:29] <Azelphur> also, the video in general is awesome, how someone can mix 39 songs together, live, and have it sound that awesome is just plain awesome.
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: matrix sequencer?
[18:33] <Azelphur> looks like that's the right sort of thing, but was after specifics :)
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: mail them and ask :)
[18:33] <Azelphur> haha
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> why not?
[18:34] <Azelphur> yea, I'll probably drop a comment
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2009/10/12/the-livid-block-may-just-be-the-sexiest-matrix-controller-yet/ ?
[18:35] <Azelphur> fun :P
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> http://lividinstruments.com/hardware_block.php <-- it seems to be one of these
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> maybe a different model, but definitely like that
[18:36] <Azelphur> yea, like that but a different model
[18:36] <Azelphur> maybe not the same manufacturer either :P
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> the buttons look the same..
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> slightly brighter in the middle
[18:37] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: found it in the comments, http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?client=ubuntu&channel=cs&q=launchpad&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=2285170420371418399&sa=X&ei=8uUdTvDLDMnNhAemp8nCBw&ved=0CE8Q8wIwAw
[18:37] <Azelphur> :)
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> ok so it's only 1/4 the price.. :)
[18:40] <Azelphur> haha
[18:40] <dogmatic69_> o/
[18:41] <Pendulum> popey: is all your 'install Ubuntu on a Mac' stuff about completely wiping the drive before you install or is it using bootcamp?
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you'll probably love Girl Talk as well, if you like mashups like this
[18:44] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: link? :)
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://illegal-art.net/allday/
[18:44]  * Azelphur downloads
[18:44] <Azelphur> pro at masculinity, downloading music called girl talk
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: he's a dude though
[18:45] <Azelphur> :)
[19:05] <ali1234> Azelphur: he says what it is in the video description. why do people never reeeeaaaaaad it?
[19:07] <Azelphur> haha, I did read it funny enough I just went straight past it
[19:07]  * Azelphur facepalms
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: liking All Day?
[19:07] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: downloading, big file
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: didn't you select a multi-file version?
[19:08] <ali1234> its still OBZ
[19:09] <Azelphur> that's just a zip
[19:09] <ali1234> i've got like 800mb of mash ups on a cd somewhere, from like 2003 when this stuff was all the rage and everyone was doing it
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it's still fun to listen to
[19:10] <daubers> lo
[19:10] <Azelphur> haha
[19:11] <popey> evening all
[19:11] <popey> Pendulum: "my" "install ubuntu on a mac"?
[19:11] <Pendulum> popey: I thought you'd written up about installing Ubuntu on a mac somewhere
[19:13] <popey> newp
[19:13] <Pendulum> ah okay. nevermind then :)
[19:14] <daftykins> i've never gotten a proper answer on whether it requires bootcamp use or can just be booted from the disc either, Pendulum
[19:14] <daftykins> not that i own one, but i helped a couple of people once
[19:15] <Pendulum> one of my mates may try Ubuntu used bootcamp
[19:17] <jacobw> Tense mismatch
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> Parse error. Core dumped.
[19:19] <daubers> MartijnVdS: ewww.... not in the chat room!
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> daubers: but.. but..!
[19:26] <Pendulum> it's a brain fail day in my world. the fact that tense match is all I got wrong is good
[19:30] <shauno> I don't think bootcamp is required is the machine is anywhere near recent (say, last 4 years, ish)
[19:31] <shauno> *if the ..
[19:31] <Pendulum> shauno: the person wants to dual boot for a while to get used to the OS
[19:32] <shauno> that shouldn't be a problem.  the main bit bootcamp helps with now, is shrinking the existing partition & such
[19:32] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: seems pretty good, it's not as impressive when it's not done live though :p
[19:32] <Azelphur> it was more impressive because madeon did the whole thing on the fly
[19:33] <ali1234> he didn't do the whole thing live
[19:33] <shauno> if the machine is old enough that it came with tiger (10.4) preinstalled, it'd need bootcamp to add the legacy-compatibility stuff to the efi.  if it shipped with 10.5 or newer, it should be good out of the box
[19:33] <ali1234> most of the set is programmed into ableton
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://ripremix.com/ -- watch that :)
[19:33] <Azelphur> ali1234: a lot of it is live :p
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: less than you think
[19:35] <Azelphur> good old copyright
[19:36] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I can see what's going on, being a musician :p
[19:36] <Azelphur> he's ripped certain parts of the song out before hand
[19:36] <Azelphur> and the vast majority of it is him playing the clips live
[19:37] <Azelphur> either that or he's just pressing buttons that do nothing in sync with the music :)
[19:38] <Azelphur> impossible to tell the difference though on a pad like that, where as with a piano it's much easier to pick off if someone is actually playing
[19:39] <ali1234> all he is doing is muting and unmuting tracks which are all already playing in sync
[19:39] <Azelphur> yea, I can see that
[19:39] <Azelphur> except that he's not, for large parts of the song he's actually got the thing rigged up like an instrument
[19:40] <Azelphur> plus he's clearly following all the songs and knows where each one is at when he brings it back in
[19:40] <Azelphur> which is a hell of a thing to do live
[19:40] <ali1234> he knows where it is because he's already cut out and looped and synced that part and programmed it
[19:41] <Azelphur> yea I can see what your saying, the buttons are loops from each song
[19:42] <Azelphur> but yea it's still impressive to me :)
[19:42] <Azelphur> and I'm a classical pianist, so it takes a reasonable amount to impress me
[19:46] <oimon1> trying to root & load CM7 on my phone...getting scared
[19:47] <Azelphur> oimon1: what's up?
[19:47]  * Azelphur does his phones on day 1 :P
[19:47] <oimon1> first it failed cos i didn't have enough space
[19:47] <oimon1> then it rebooted the phone a few times..was getting scared.
[19:48] <oimon1> now doing a nandroid backup
[19:48] <Azelphur> you got recovery working?
[19:48] <oimon1> performing backup now
[19:48] <Azelphur> you got nothing to worry about if you have recovery
[19:48] <Azelphur> you can't really brick if you have recovery
[19:49] <Azelphur> what phone you flashing?
[19:50] <oimon1> htc desire. which method is best for flashing with CM7? http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=HTC_Desire_%28CDMA%29:_Full_Update_Guide#Flashing_CyanogenMod has 2 methods
[19:50] <Azelphur> oimon method 1 is a GUI for method 2 :)
[19:51] <oimon1> oh LOL
[19:51] <Azelphur> ROM Manager is a GUI for Clockwork recovery
[19:51] <Azelphur> lol
[19:52] <Azelphur> oimon you using clockwork right?
[19:52] <oimon1> umm
[19:52] <Azelphur> you trying to flash a nightly or release?
[19:53] <Azelphur> when you was doing a nandroid backup, you rebooted into recovery right?
[19:53] <oimon1> using clockwork yes
[19:53] <Azelphur> cool, I like clockwork recovery :)
[19:53] <oimon1> via unrevoked
[19:55] <Azelphur> oimon nightly or release?
[19:56] <oimon1> stable 7.0.3
[19:57] <Azelphur> oimon1:  use rom manager then, nice and easy press button receive cyanogenmod
[19:58] <oimon1> Azelphur: should i factory reset or format anything first?
[19:58] <bigcalm> I'm surprised at how long 7.1rc1 has been out without an rc2
[19:58] <Azelphur> oimon1: for first flash, it's generally a good idea to wipe before and after the flash
[19:59]  * Azelphur lives on the edge, rom manager with the nightlies :P
[19:59] <oimon1> scary man
[19:59] <bigcalm> Azelphur: which device?
[19:59] <Azelphur> HTC Desire Z
[19:59] <bigcalm> Ok
[19:59] <Azelphur> oimon1: the other day for april fools cyanogen made my phone have lots of ducks :(
[20:00] <oimon1> Azelphur: but ROM manager does the wiping for me?
[20:00] <Azelphur> oimon1: yep, just tick the wipe button
[20:00] <Azelphur> and you obviously want google apps too
[20:01] <Azelphur> oh wait, I'm not on cyanogen nightlies any more, I'm on miui
[20:01] <Azelphur> I wonder if rom manager does miui yet
[20:01] <oimon1> if it was a laptop i'd be 100% confident of this
[20:01] <oimon1> but phones...
[20:01] <Azelphur> oimon1: what you worried about?
[20:01] <oimon1> bricking and/or losing cool setup
[20:02] <oimon1> and not being able to get the phone back how i liked it
[20:02] <Azelphur> oimon1: you can always download the firmware from htc and flash via recovery
[20:02] <Azelphur> if you completely brick the OS
[20:02] <Azelphur> so there's not much worry there
[20:02] <oimon1> cool
[20:03] <Azelphur> with android recovery you just get "update.zip" files
[20:03] <BigRedS> you can brick to the point where you can't get into recovery, though
[20:03] <BigRedS> I'm told it's hard, but I did manage it :(
[20:03] <oimon1> how?
[20:03] <Azelphur> BigRedS: indeed, but that's very difficult to do
[20:03] <Azelphur> how on earth did you do it?
[20:03] <oimon1> panicking and unplugging half way>
[20:03] <oimon1> ?
[20:03] <Azelphur> haha
[20:03] <BigRedS> No idea, flashed a rom, took hours so I left it be overnight
[20:03] <BigRedS> Got back to it and it was off, wont boot beyond showing the battery logo
[20:04] <BigRedS> It was a galaxy S, apparently they do sometimes have flaky USB power somethingorother, so that may be to blame
[20:04] <oimon1> did you ever get the phone unbricked?
[20:04] <BigRedS> nah, I've got to take it to a T-mobile shop and claim ignorance...
[20:04] <Azelphur> haha, that solves everything \o/
[20:05] <Azelphur> did you hear samsung shipped a S2 to the CM devs?
[20:05] <BigRedS> We tried making one of the special leads to get it into download mode, but that didn't have any effect, pondered getting a jtag but I'm gonna try for warranty first :)
[20:05] <Azelphur> that phones gonna be shiny :D
[20:05] <BigRedS> yeah, a couple of mates have got them
[20:05] <Azelphur> BigRedS: have you tried fastboot?
[20:05] <BigRedS> I think if I had an S2 I'd probably not feel an immediate need to re-'rom' it
[20:05] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:05] <BigRedS> Azelphur: not knowingly; what is it?
[20:06] <Azelphur> BigRedS: it's a low level thing that you can send the phone a recovery image from
[20:06] <BigRedS> I've a DHD from work now, which is why I'v enot gout round to sorting the Galaxy out
[20:06] <Azelphur> it's the thing before recovery
[20:06] <BigRedS> Azelphur: yeah, I think that's 'download mode'. Needed to create a USB cable with the right resistance between two of the pins
[20:06] <Azelphur> nope, none of that o.O
[20:06] <BigRedS> next down, AIUI, is JTAG which is very wrranty voiding
[20:07] <Azelphur> you just plug into USB with normal cable and boot the phone holding volume or something
[20:07] <Azelphur> and it goes into a manufacturer menu and waits for an image from USB
[20:07] <BigRedS> Oh, those
[20:07] <BigRedS> yeah, that is download mode
[20:07] <Azelphur> I also think you can do it by putting a file with a special name on the SD card
[20:07] <Azelphur> and it'll just flash it straight
[20:07] <BigRedS> the buttons didn't work, so we made the cable which is a secondary thing
[20:07] <Azelphur> I see
[20:07] <BigRedS> Azelphur: the htc gold cards? Not found a samsung equivalent
[20:07] <Azelphur> fun
[20:07] <BigRedS> i'll have a bit of a look into it, though
[20:08] <Azelphur> oh well, warranty saves the day hopefully :)
[20:08] <Azelphur> oimon1: progress? :P
[20:08] <oimon1> rom download complete
[20:08] <BigRedS> yeah. And works' desire HD sort-of softened the blow :)
[20:08] <Azelphur> oimon1: :D
[20:08] <oimon1> giving me a few options
[20:09] <oimon1> backup existing rom, wipe data and cache and wioe dalvik cache
[20:09] <Azelphur> I suppose you want all 3 :)
[20:09] <oimon1> i think i already backuped the existing rom (via nandroid backup?)
[20:09] <Azelphur> yep, nandroid backups are just dd images fyi :)
[20:10] <Azelphur> so yea, you can just wipe and boot.
[20:14] <oimon1> decided to do a titanium backup first
[20:15] <oimon1> should do this while watching the apprentice
[20:15] <oimon1> /should/should not/
[20:15] <Azelphur> oimon1: titanium only backs up apps
[20:15] <Azelphur> nandroid is the one you want, titanium is largely useless
[20:15] <oimon1> done nandroid too
[20:15] <oimon1> :)
[20:15] <oimon1> but thanks for the concern
[20:16] <Azelphur> yw :)
[20:28] <oimon1> Azelphur: tried rom manager to update the rom but got the ! in a triangle :(
[20:28] <Azelphur> :(
[20:30] <Azelphur> oimon1: try going to recovery and doing a full wipe
[20:30] <Azelphur> and then boot again
[20:30] <Azelphur> if that fails, download cyanogenmod from the website and manually flash it in recovery
[20:32] <oimon1> trying a manual flash
[20:33] <oimon1> this is stressy
[20:35] <oimon1> taking a long time to boot :S
[20:37] <oimon1> BigRedS: what's the battery logo?
[20:37] <oimon1> just showing circle logo at the mo
[20:46] <Azelphur> oimon1: I just rom manager flashed MIUI on my DZ :)
[20:47] <oimon1> something is happening..
[20:47] <oimon1> had to pull the battery and go back into recovery
[20:47] <oimon1> :(
[20:47] <Azelphur> :(
[20:47] <BigRedS> oimon1: the logo it shows when it's charging
[20:47] <BigRedS> when it's off
[20:47] <oimon1> i don't have one of those logos
[20:48] <oimon1> looks like the update is occuring :S
[20:51] <oimon1> ooh it worked
[20:51] <oimon1> that was scary
[20:52] <Azelphur> oimon1: woo\ o/
[20:53] <BigRedS> whoo!
[20:53] <Azelphur> oimon1: you might wanna try MIUI btw, it's cyanogenmod but with added shiny
[20:53] <BigRedS> yeah, the first go is a bit scary
[20:53] <BigRedS> And the first one on each device always takes longer than you're sure the first go on the last device took
[20:55] <daftykins> i still haven't tried a modded ROM
[20:55] <daftykins> i don't see any reason to
[20:55] <popey> evening all
[20:55] <daftykins> my Desire gets gingerbread soon :O
[20:55] <jacobw> there's one very good reason to..
[20:55] <jacobw> its fun :D
[20:56] <daftykins> hah
[20:56] <daftykins> not really enough ;)
[20:56] <popey> brobostigon: slight problem, I just powered up what I thought was a dead EEE 900.. and it's alive!
[20:56] <jacobw> :o
[20:56] <daftykins> could be temporary
[20:58] <brobostigon> popey: thats well, :)
[20:59] <popey> well, its bad for you :D
[20:59] <popey> no spare kb now
[20:59] <popey> as I would like to give these to my kids
[20:59] <brobostigon> yes, but it is good it boots :)
[20:59] <popey> well yes :D
[20:59] <popey> if I can put an OS on them that they can use
[20:59] <popey> thinking about chrome os
[20:59] <brobostigon> ok, no worries.
[20:59] <popey> but can't find a recent build
[21:00] <brobostigon> no idea on thast one, oh well.
[21:00] <popey> so grabbing the source to try and build myself
[21:00] <brobostigon> thank you for your thought popey.
[21:03] <oimon1> Azelphur: up and runnign with CM7..thanks for the support:)
[21:03] <oimon1> my wife doesn't want it, says it looks like a man phone...she's right
[21:06] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/78QN1.jpg
[21:06] <daftykins> genius inventions
[21:07] <Azelphur> oimon1 yw
[21:12] <jacobw> daftykins: :o wow
[21:13] <jacobw> the ironing board is great :D
[21:13] <daftykins> :)
[21:13] <daftykins> the hairbrush strikes a chord with me, as i have long hair
[21:15] <jacobw> ah, that's what it waws.
[21:16] <jacobw> was* .. i thought it was a toothbrush :|
[21:16] <daftykins> XD
[21:16] <daftykins> the manky stuff that collects at the bottom is nasty >_<
[21:20]  * jacobw → night
[21:28] <JGJones> Does the Apple firewire iSight work in Ubuntu?
[21:32] <daftykins> http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/12/ben-hecks-xbox-360-automatic-disc-changer/
[21:39] <daftykins> Azelphur: you'd love the above
[21:39] <daftykins> more so if you game ^_^
[21:41] <Azelphur> daftykins: I would except console gaming got boring about 10 years ago :P
[21:41] <Azelphur> and CDs got boring at about the same time
[21:41] <daftykins> rubbish good sir!
[21:41] <daftykins> well, funny part is i install mine to the HDD in the xbox360, but you still need the disc in naturally ¬_¬
[21:41] <daftykins> with LA Noire recently, a 3 DVD game, this was not fun
[21:42] <directhex> ought to get around to la noire
[21:42] <directhex> still haven't finished alan wake & red dead zombiefest, tbh
[21:42] <shauno> consoles went downhill when I discovered my lightgun doesn't work with flatscreens :(
[21:42] <directhex> shauno, a sad realisation for all Zapper owners
[21:42] <daftykins> yeah i haven't gone back and 100%'d Alan Wake, but to be honest it wasn't that good to be worth of it :(
[21:42]  * funkyHat falls over
[21:43] <awilkins> The Wiimote does fix the zapper deficit
[21:43] <directhex> daftykins, i need to do the DLC.
[21:43] <daftykins> ah, i think i forgot to buy a second
[21:44] <daftykins> i never thought i'd say it, but i'm glad not to have the hassle of PC gaming anymore too
[21:45] <daftykins> not that it's ever too hard to get something working, but you don't even have to do that! :D