[09:27] <progrock> oh..crossover office is basically like wine + office... would it jsut make more sense to use VMWare which i already have?
[09:28] <Douglas> !wireless
[09:28] <ubotu> wireless is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[09:28] <majes> Hello
[09:28] <soundray> progrock: as far as using MS Office makes sense at all, yes.
[09:28] <CarinArr> i wouldn't say it's like wine + office really..
[09:28] <fangorious> progrock: if you're more comfortable using vmware, go with that. crossover is exactly [tweaked/customised]  wine + office
[09:28] <progrock> soundray, hahaha, very very good point
[09:28] <hackel> soundray:  I suppose.  But the restart prompt is almost identical to that in XP which lets you chose to restart Now or Later.  At least this one doesn't pop back up every 15 minutes. :)
[09:28] <lcore> wastrel,  http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=5755&page=2 - might help
[09:28] <CarinArr> the software it allows you to use is a lot more interesting than ms office;)
[09:29] <hackel> I just try very hard to teach linux users that restarting is never a means of solving a problem with a good operating system. :)
[09:29] <CarinArr> now i wish they could fix photoshop so it worked properly when drawing
[09:29] <majes> hi, How can I assign permission 777 automatically in a folder (It's for apache2)?
[09:29] <progrock> CarinArr, you using potochop with crossover?... ive used it in VMWare... and it seems practically perfect... runs very good on my system
[09:29] <soundray> hackel: well, this behavior of dapper doesn't interfere with the point or the delivery of your very valid teaching message. Or does it?
[09:29] <Angel_Dex> how do i setup openduke? i cant seem to find its folder to put the .grp file in
[09:30] <progrock> photoshop*
[09:30] <VNA9216> hackel:  true..  but even linux cant recover from everything yet without reboot ;)
[09:30] <soundray> hackel: anyway, if I find out how to disable the message I'll let you know...
[09:31] <moonman> does breezy come with apache installed?
[09:31] <hackel> soundray:  I'm not saying it's a bad feature, it's definitely good for new users as you say.  I just wonder if it isn't going a bit overboard.
[09:32] <Douglas> j,
[09:32] <Douglas> hm
[09:32] <Douglas> YO
[09:32] <Douglas> HELp?
[09:32] <progrock> moonman, i dont think so.. but its extremely easy to install.. ir i think just "sudo apt-get install apache"
[09:32] <Douglas> progrock
[09:32] <sbalneav> Douglas: just ask your question
[09:32] <Douglas> QUICK QUESTION?
[09:32] <Douglas> kl
[09:33] <Douglas> I have D-Link DWL-G510
[09:33] <progrock> Douglas, if i can help i will
[09:33] <Douglas> Wireless PCI
[09:33] <Douglas> What do I need to do to make the drivers for it install?
[09:33] <moonman> progrock, yeah, thats what i figured, im goign to have a server up soon
[09:33] <moonman> :P
[09:33] <Douglas> ..
[09:33] <Douglas> Any idea?
[09:34] <X-peTer> douglas: no linux drivers? ndiswrapper?
[09:34] <Douglas> uhm
[09:34] <Douglas> I don't know..
[09:34] <progrock> moonman, theres a forum topic on it in the how-to forum.. that wll also tell you how to set it up with php and mysql.. etc.
[09:34] <Douglas> Just put ubuntu on there yesterday.
[09:34] <sbalneav> Douglas: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-81461.html
[09:34] <soundray> Douglas: you probably need the madwifi Atheros driver.
[09:34] <Douglas> Any idea what to do?
[09:34] <Douglas> kk
[09:34] <moonman> progrock, ill check it out, thanks
[09:34] <progrock> Douglas, read the forums.. they are very useful
[09:35] <progrock> moonman,  np.. ive been meaning to install it.. but i'm kinda worried about how low my battery life will be on the laptop.. its horrible as is
[09:35] <soundray> Douglas: if you can, use madwifi rather than ndiswrapper. Also see ubotu below:
[09:35] <soundray> !forums 38972
[09:35] <ubotu> Forums: Thread 38972 is: Atheros AR5212 Madwifi HowTo - Ubuntu Forums
[09:36] <Douglas> so
[09:36] <salah> hi
[09:36] <Douglas> that should just do it
[09:36] <Douglas> make driver swork?
[09:36] <Douglas> Like, make card word?
[09:36] <salah>  wget http://ftp5.mplayerhq.hu/mplayer/Skin/Blue-1.4.tar.bz2  this is not opening
[09:36] <Douglas> Anmyway, bbl.
[09:36] <soundray> Douglas: there's no guarantee. You can only try.
[09:36] <salah> It shows not found
[09:36] <pianoboy3333>  what cross compilers can I use for compiling a windows version of gtypist?
[09:36] <lsuactiafner> salah : #mplayer
[09:36] <fangorious> soundray: do, or do not
[09:36] <salah> yah
[09:36] <progrock> salah, if its not opening, id imagine the website is down
[09:37] <salah> how can I do it plz
[09:37] <ompaul> pianoboy3333, your g++ will do it man g++ for options :)
[09:37] <soundray> fangorious: ...there is no try. Are you Mr Miyagi? Or was it Yoda who said it?
[09:37] <hackel> salah:  Why are you asking us about files stored on some other random webserver?
[09:37] <fangorious> yoda
[09:37] <sprizz> is there a command-line login for ubuntu?
[09:37] <theine> salah, please install mplayer from the multiverse repository
[09:37] <hackel> sprizz:  lol, press ctrl-alt-f1
[09:37] <pianoboy3333> ompaul: gcc too? gtypist is a c program I believe
[09:37] <Rawplayer> re
[09:37] <ompaul> pianoboy3333, yes
[09:38] <salah> Please tell me how can I do that
[09:38] <theine> salah, go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:38] <ompaul> !tell salah about universe
[09:38] <salah> I hv been trying for 4 da
[09:38] <ThePhur> how do i get g++ set back up in breezy..whenever i compile a .cpp it throws a bunch of errors..i know my source code is right
[09:38] <ompaul> salah, the bot send you a message
[09:38] <theine> salah, sorry, also to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto
[09:38] <whoever> can someone give me some quick tutorial to establish my connection to the internet in ubuntu bash? i've got ati radeon x600 and i need to download and reinstall new drivers or i'll never fix that xserver thing.
[09:39] <soundray> fangorious: that wisdom applies to exercising a skill, though. If you have a rickety bridge in front of you (like Wifi configuration), you do want to try and tread carefully. :)
[09:39] <hackel> ThePhur:  That's what they all say!
[09:39] <progrock> Anyone knwo how to turn off system beeps (without physially removing hte system speaker)... theese beeps on startup and shutdown are getting me dirty looks in class
[09:39] <ThePhur> ive been programming in C++ for like 3 years..its just a simple program to see it g++ is working..
[09:39] <jameseh> good analogy soundray
[09:39] <ThePhur> the compiler just scrolls with errors like theres no tomorrow
[09:39] <anti_social>  have anyone had any problem on detecting EPSON CX 3500 or similars using Dapper Drake Flight 4? Should anyone help me to solve this?
[09:39] <progrock> ThePhur, why would g++ not be working?
[09:40] <soundray> ThePhur: probably apt-get install build-essential...
[09:40] <ThePhur> no idea..i do sudo apt-get install g++..it works fine in hoary
[09:40] <fangorious> progrock: you could mute it in whatever volume mixer you prefer
[09:40] <progrock> ThePhur, yeah do what soundry said... install build-essential.. that gave me g++
[09:40] <moonman> uhh
[09:40] <moonman> is breezy 5.10
[09:40] <kimo> I installed using debootstrap. Now my kernel can't mount my LVM / partition. Any guru wanna help with this please ?
[09:41] <ThePhur> alright..thanks
[09:41] <progrock> fangorious, really? and that will mute it during startup?
[09:41] <master_of_master> hi, are there any qt 4.1 packages for breezy?
[09:41] <fangorious> progrock: maybe, no harm in trying
[09:41] <doro> how do i run a c shell script?
[09:41] <ThePhur> yeah..i just installed g++ cuz it works with sudo apt-get install g++ in hoary..thanks anyways
[09:41] <progrock> fangorious, actually its already muted i think.. which would mean it doesnt work
[09:41] <fangorious> doro: do you have a csh installed?
[09:41] <pianoboy3333> ahhhh!!!! too many things on gcc man page? does anyone know the argument/s that I need to cross compile something for windows... I dont' know much about this...
[09:41] <theine> doro, you need to have tcsh installed for that: sudo apt-get install tcsh
[09:41] <soundray> progrock: are you talking about the login sound during gnome startup?
[09:42] <FraZena> Hi, is there anyone who can help me with ubuntu on an AMD Athlon 64? (my english is bad)
[09:42] <progrock> soundray, no.. during boot and shutdown.. before x even starts
[09:42] <hackel> progrock:  What sound are you talking about?  The BIOS boot beep?  No way to disable that I'm aware of unless your BIOS has an option to.
[09:42] <Rambo3> offcourso
[09:42] <doro> thanks
[09:42] <progrock> hackel, yup.. and my bios has no option
[09:42] <soundray> FraZena: go ahead and ask. But if you feel more comfortable in your own language, check out
[09:43] <soundray> !it
[09:43] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:43] <hackel> progrock:  I'd suggest booting your computer before class starts. :-P
[09:43] <moonman> is breezy 5.10?
[09:43] <pianoboy3333> ompaul: ahhhh!!!! too many things on gcc man page? does anyone know the argument/s that I need to cross compile something for windows... I dont' know much about this...
[09:43] <fangorious> moonman: yep
[09:43] <D[a] > O_O;
[09:43] <D[a] > It says
[09:43] <D[a] > that the drivers
[09:43] <D[a] > are too outdated..
[09:43] <moonman> fangorious, then oops, i have it marked as hoary
[09:43] <master_of_master> hi, are there any qt 4.1 packages for breezy?
[09:43] <moonman> :P
[09:43] <progrock> hackel, lol... i gues that makes some sense. haha.. but tis more when im messign with my comp in clas and need to do restarts, etc
[09:44] <D[a] > The drivers are too outdated and need to be updated!
[09:44] <D[a] > Any other ideas?
[09:44] <soundray> progrock: I guess it'll be removing the speaker then. Or see the positive side of those dirty looks.
[09:44] <hackel> progrock:  Ahh, see I use Linux so that I never have to restart. :-P
[09:44] <sbalneav> D[a] : Have you download the latest drivers from D-Link?
[09:44] <D[a] > there is no internet
[09:44] <Eshestun> when i am specifiying my desktop as part of a dir in the terminal... do i simply refer to it as /desktop/file or do i have to put something like in windows with the hole C:/windows/blahblah
[09:44] <FlannelKing> pianoboy3333: you're probably looking for the --target flag
[09:44] <D[a] > on that box..
[09:44] <soundray> Hey, hackel, that's not true -- update-manager wants you to! :)
[09:44] <D[a] > no internet on that box..
[09:44] <Daramarak> Hello, could anyone help me. I am so fresh in Ubuntu, linux irc and all. And I need som help installing a package in my Ubuntu installation
[09:44] <progrock> hackel, true... the time will come when reboot isnt my first method of solving problems.
[09:44] <pianoboy3333> FlannelKing: lemme look...
[09:45] <sbalneav> D[a] : Then donwload them on another box, and burn them to a cd.
[09:45] <mikebot> how do i access an ntfs drive in terminal?
[09:45] <GutterPunk> What option should I append to grub to enable 1400x1050 framebuffer mode? I tried vga=0x344 and video=vesafb:1400x1050-32 but neither seems to work
[09:45] <progrock> soundray, lol.. yeah.. well..i dont think ill be rippng my laptop appart for the speaker.. lol... wish the bios had the option
[09:45] <theine> Eshestun, you can refer to it relative to your home directory: ~/Desktop/file
[09:45] <mikebot> cd ~/hda1 ?
[09:45] <Eshestun> ty
[09:45] <moonman> mikebot, check your fstab
[09:45] <D[a] > Nothing?
[09:45] <GutterPunk> I can only get it to vga=792 but that's no very clean on my laptop screen
[09:45] <mikebot> moonman: how do i do that?
[09:45] <Daramarak> I have downloaded the Atmel-firmware .deb file, but I havent got a clue what to do with it.
[09:46] <soundray> progrock: maybe you can squeeze some builder's foam under the speaker grid.
[09:46] <sbalneav> D[a] : What do you mean nothing?
[09:46] <theine> Eshestun, ~ always refers to your home which actually is /home/<your_username>
[09:46] <D[a] > sbalneav
[09:46] <D[a] > NO INTERNET
[09:46] <D[a] > ON It.
[09:46] <sbalneav> Download them on the box that you're internet connected on, and transfer it with a floppy or cd
[09:46] <FlannelKing> sneakernet is a wonderful thing
[09:46] <D[a] > it says that there are no drivers for it
[09:46] <fangorious> my swap partition isn't recognized at boot, due to partition cylinder boundaries, how do I calculate what those boundaries are so I can fix it?
[09:46] <D[a] > for linux
[09:46] <D[a] > on their pc
[09:46] <mikebot> what is fstab/
[09:46] <FlannelKing> except when all you have is floppy drives :(
[09:46] <D[a] > but ubuntu site says it supports.'
[09:46] <mikebot> i just need to get into an ntfs drive
[09:47] <mikebot> via terminal
[09:47] <soundray> GutterPunk: I've never been able to get that mode working on my laptop. You've done all the right things as far as I know.
[09:47] <D[a] > kk
[09:47] <D[a] > BBL.
[09:47] <sbalneav> download the latest WINDOWS drivers.  You were using ndiswrappers, yes?
[09:47] <theine> D[a] , WHO says there are no drivers for WHAT?
[09:47] <jameseh>  which log file would help me trouble shoot hard crashes that have been occuring?
[09:47] <fangorious> mikebot: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt
[09:47] <GutterPunk> soundray, I got it to work using those appends on every other distro really :s maybe I'm missing something here
[09:47] <fangorious> mikebot: substitute the actual device node for hda1
[09:47] <pianoboy3333> FlannelKing: back l8er..
[09:48] <soundray> GutterPunk: in my case I concluded that the video BIOS is buggy.
[09:48] <mikebot> fangorious: mount: only root can do that
[09:48] <fangorious> sudo mount ....
[09:48] <FraZena> OK, sorry, my problem is that, I've just installed ubuntu but after the login the noly thing I have is a beautiful white arrow... can you help me?
[09:48] <mikebot> fangorious: mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt busy
[09:48] <mikebot> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda1 is mounted on /media/hda1
[09:49] <fangorious> mikebot: is hda1 the right partition?
[09:49] <mikebot> fangorious: on my desktoip it says hda1
[09:49] <mikebot> and my other ntfs is hda5
[09:49] <theine> mikebot, do "ls /media/hda1" and see whether that looks like your windows partition
[09:49] <fangorious> mikebot: if you browse into it, is that the right partition?
[09:49] <soundray> FraZena: you mean the login displays fine with the pretty brown screen?
[09:50] <mikebot> theine: ah yeah, it is
[09:50] <mikebot> fangorious: yeah, i couldn't browse it beofre
[09:50] <FraZena> yes, I do correctly the graphic login
[09:50] <mikebot> theine: fangorious: thanks guys
[09:50] <jonagold15> hi
[09:51] <soundray> FraZena: when you see that faulty screen (the arrow), try Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. It should take you to the login screen again. Try selecting a different session there.
[09:51] <FraZena> [soundray]  I'm using an integrated VGA
[09:51] <soundray> FraZena: for example Failsafe.
[09:51] <jameseh> swsusp: Suspend partition has wrong signature?
[09:51] <jameseh> that a biggie? or not
[09:51] <FraZena> [soundray]  I tried all the 3 session
[09:51] <soundray> FraZena: none of them work?
[09:52] <mikebot> thakns you guys,
[09:52] <mikebot> cya
[09:52] <theine> jameseh, which partition is your swap partition?
[09:52] <soundray> FraZena: do you know what chipset you have for your integrated VGA?
[09:52] <jameseh> hda2 i think
[09:52] <FraZena> [soundray]  none but the terminal
[09:52] <Eshestun> lol linux is tricky... ive been using windows for 15 years and i cant even install a single program using linux... and thats when im following instructions !! lol ^_^
[09:53] <wastrel> h8n freenx
[09:53] <soundray> Eshestun: you've come to the right place for help.
[09:53] <DistroWatch> how do i list all the running services
[09:53] <FraZena> [soundray]  ubuntu say it's by via
[09:53] <theine> jameseh, please open a terminal and paste the output of "swapon -s"
[09:53] <jameseh> hda5 sorry
[09:53] <Eshestun> well ive asked around and people have been helpfull... im just a little confused lol
[09:53] <jameseh> -1 priority
[09:54] <soundray> FraZena: when you say "none but the terminal", do you mean that that graphical session is working, or that you can login on the text console?
[09:54] <theine> jameseh, /dev/hda5 ?
[09:54] <jameseh> aye
[09:54] <theine> jameseh, hmmm, don't know what the problem is then...
[09:54] <jameseh> k
[09:54] <FraZena> [soundray]  I'have just finished downloading the ubuntu live cd... I'wanna try with it
[09:54] <soundray> Eshestun: what's causing the confusion right now?
[09:54] <sprizz> does anyone use naim?
[09:54] <jameseh> im just going through log files, and ill be randomly pasting in things i think might be causing my sys to crash
[09:54] <theine> jameseh, do you pass resume=/dev/<whatever> to the kernel?
[09:55] <jameseh> hrm
[09:55] <jameseh> no
[09:55] <jameseh> or how would i check to see
[09:55] <Eshestun> umm well.. im trying to install something that will allow me to use programs that i could normally run in windows... im aware that programs such as adega and wine are not perfect... but i simply cannot get then running
[09:55] <Angel_Dex> !openduke
[09:55] <ubotu> Angel_Dex: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:55] <soundray> FraZena: okay, here's a hint for you: the gnome session writes error messages to .xsession-errors in your home directory. Check its end for errors.
[09:55] <FraZena> [soundray]  the only session that works is called "Terminale d'emergenza"
[09:55] <theine> jameseh, in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:55] <doro> where can i get libstdc++.so.5?
[09:55] <Eshestun> I download the apropriate files.... and i attempt to install and run them and it dosent seem to work
[09:55] <sprizz> anyways, I've been having trouble connecting to services using naim, just wondering if anyone could help.
[09:56] <theine> jameseh, i heard it's not anymore necessary to pass resume= to the kernel for hibernate to work though, but it's worth a try i guess
[09:56] <soundray> FraZena: in Terminale d'emergenza, run 'tail -n 20 ~/.xsession-errors' and paste the output to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org. Let us know when you're ready.
[09:57] <digitize> are people using dapper with a fair amount of success (i.e. upgrading from 5.10 without much trouble)?
[09:57] <digitize> or is it still too premature
[09:57] <sbalneav> Eshestun: What windows program is it you're wanting to run?  Maybe there's a linux equivalent that would work better, rather than trying to run a Windows program under Linux/
[09:57] <theine> jameseh, in your case you need to append "resume=/dev/hda5" to the list of kernel arguments
[09:58] <ezech> I need simple, lightweight mp3 player with nice GUI
[09:58] <Eshestun> well its actually a game... silroadonline.. i know some people have been able to get it work while other havent... Its not soo much about the game wrather than the fact that I want to learn how to use it
[09:58] <iBalo> digitize: dapper so far is usable, but gnome is still very buggy/nonfunctional
[09:58] <digitize> iBalo: well i use kde, so gnome wouldn't be a problem
[09:58] <soundray> Eshestun: wine and cedega are advanced stuff, installation-wise. Listen to sbalneav and get a feel for how things work in Ubuntu first.
[09:58] <ezech> xmms is too buggy
[09:58] <FraZena> [soundray]  the ubuntu PC is not connected to internet
[09:58] <james__> hrm
[09:59] <james__> as soon as i opened that /boot/grub/menu.lst my computer crashed
[09:59] <iBalo> digitize: but don't upgrade... take a spare partition and do a fresh install on the 'playground' KDE 3.5 by itself is buggy enough :-)
[09:59] <sbalneav> Eshestun: exactly.  You've pretty much picked the hardest thing to do right off the bat.  Trying to get Linux programs under Windows would be just as complicated.
[09:59] <soundray> FraZena: in that case I suggest you try to make sense of those error messages yourself, and/or summarize them here. Are you chatting from the same machine?
[09:59] <Eshestun> i c
[09:59] <brokengun> hey, im looking for a live CD of any linux distro to run on my Ibook running OSX
[09:59] <lcore> Eshestun, After 15 years of linux you'll feel just like on win now. Believe me: I've recently cought myself tail -f windows xp logs. :)
[09:59] <brokengun> would anyone happen to know where i could get an iso for one?
[09:59] <Zoroaster> I have apache installed, and running, I think, I'm pretty sure because when I reboot I see the service go down, but I point my browser to local host and get "connection refused", I telnet to localhost port 80 and get connection refused, can someone help me
[10:00] <sprizz> brokengun: have you checked out www.distrowatch.com
[10:00] <Eshestun> lol I went from geek to the equivalent of my mother in one night ^_^
[10:00] <brokengun> nopw
[10:00] <FraZena> [soundray]  how can I do the tilde char? (~) on Windows I can do [ALT]  126 on the numeric pad but on ubuntu it doasn't works
[10:00] <brokengun> nope*
[10:00] <DistroWatch> sprizz for ?
[10:00] <sdx> can i resize my partition without reformatting hd and reinstalling ubuntu?
[10:00] <sprizz> brokengun: im sure you'll find somethign there
[10:00] <brokengun> i will now though
[10:00] <brokengun> alright, thank you very much sprizz
[10:00] <hackel> brokengun:  Um, since you're here, you should know to try ubuntu.com. :-P
[10:00] <progrock> Ok.. how about getting rid of the system beep in the command line? (its loud!, lol)
[10:01] <brokengun> hackel: i did, i didn't have much luck
[10:01] <soundray> FraZena: it's just a variable. You can use $HOME or /home/frazena instead (replacing frazena with your actual log name).
[10:01] <Angel_Dex> Anyone use openduke?
[10:01] <sbalneav> Eshestun: A lot of people come from windows expecting Linux to be "just like windows".  In many ways it is, but you do need to learn to do some things differently.  I've used Linux for years, and my place of work has 165 Linux thin client users.  It takes a bit of time to get used to it, but after a while, it'll become second nature, and the benefits will become clear.
[10:02] <anto9us> progrock, Edit | Current Profile | General | Terminal bell
[10:02] <soundray> FraZena: you can also do Shift-Ctrl-7-e
[10:02] <sdx> can i resize my partition without reformatting hd and reinstalling ubuntu?
[10:02] <progrock> anto9us, I mean in the command line outside of X
[10:03] <iBalo> sdx: what do mean by _re_-installing?
[10:03] <soundray> sdx, you can. Boot from a live CD and use parted, gparted or qtparted.
[10:03] <soundray> iBalo: I think he means "without reformatting hd and without reinstalling ubuntu"
[10:03] <Profichilla> ,
[10:04] <lcore> sdx, and don't forget to backup first.
[10:04] <joejoe> how would i run nvidea xconfig?
[10:04] <sdx> okies
[10:04] <joejoe> i untared it what do i do from there
[10:04] <joejoe> ?
[10:04] <wastrel> mmm freenx is working now
[10:05] <nickrud> joejoe: you probably don't want to do it that way, ubuntu has decent nvidia support. Read ubotu's message below
[10:05] <nickrud> !nvidia
[10:05] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[10:05] <soundray> lcore: "Backup is for sissies. Real Men upload their important stuff by ftp and let the rest of the world mirror it!" (Linus Torvalds)
[10:05] <joejoe> but i have the nforce410 platform
[10:05] <joejoe> so i have to
[10:05] <joejoe> in order to get x to work right
[10:06] <nickrud> joejoe: oh, sorry. I haven't had to try that one, so I'll shut up here
[10:06] <lcore> soundray, Thanks. I'd rather leave my wifey photos to myself :)
[10:07] <jameseh> (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) would that cause random crashes?
[10:07] <anto9us> progrock, setterm -blength 0
[10:07] <doro> what is the error: internal error: can't open X11 display?
[10:07] <progrock> thanks
[10:07] <jameseh> doro?
[10:08] <doro> yes?
[10:08] <jameseh> was that address to me?
[10:08] <doro> no
[10:08] <jameseh> k
[10:08] <jameseh> heh
[10:08] <doro> was just a  question i have
[10:08] <sbalneav> doro: and where are you getting this error?
[10:08] <soundray> jameseh: no. Have you done a memtest run?
[10:08] <jameseh> how would i do that
[10:09] <iceman> anyone know why i cant get a sound applett on my toolbar ?
[10:09] <jameseh> im thinking its possibly a bad mobo, thats why it was free.
[10:09] <sbalneav> iceman: What applet, and do you have working sound?
[10:09] <soundray> jameseh: with the ubuntu install, you should have got a grub boot option called memtest86 or similar. Run this overnight. If you see any error messages tomorrow, you've got faulty RAM and should replace it.
[10:09] <FraZena>  [soundray]  I'm chatting from my window PC.
[10:09] <FraZena> From the .xsession-errors file on the ubuntu PC:
[10:09] <FraZena> _IceTransTransNoListen: unable to find transport: tcp
[10:09] <FraZena> _IceTransmkdir: ERROR: euid != 0,directory /dev/X will not be created.
[10:09] <FraZena> Do you need more rows?
[10:10] <soundray> FraZena: no.
[10:10] <iceman> sbalneav sound works, but cannot add a volume control to the Gnome panel
[10:10] <jameseh> i see
[10:10] <progrock> soundray, memtest has to be run overnight for it to be affective?
[10:11] <sbalneav> iceman: has your userid been added to the sound group in /etc/group?
[10:11] <Alexi5> hello
[10:11] <iceman> sbalneav how to check ?
[10:11] <soundray> progrock: I personally run it overnight. Some purists run it for a week before they feel certain enough that their RAM is okay.
[10:11] <jameseh> lol
[10:11] <soundray> FraZena: is this a fresh install?
[10:11] <jameseh> i just bought this ram, but it couldn't hurt to run it for awhile
[10:12] <sbalneav> from a command prompt: grep iceman /etc/group
[10:12] <doro> is there a guide on how to install nvidia drivers?
[10:12] <jameseh> tonnes
[10:12] <progrock> soundray, ok, lol.. i should do that.. ive been suspecting my ram is at fault for some errors ive been having randomly
[10:12] <sbalneav> One of the groups should be sound
[10:12] <FraZena> [soundray]  I did it just one hour ago
[10:12] <preacher> is there dhcpcd already installed on ubuntu 5.10? because i cant find it :|
[10:12] <iceman> audio is listed ?
[10:12] <jameseh> yes preacher it should be
[10:12] <FraZena> [soundray]  The live CD is ready, do you think It can help?
[10:12] <iceman> sbalneav yea audio is there
[10:12] <sbalneav> ok
[10:13] <sbalneav> What happens when you try to add it, do you get an error?
[10:13] <sbalneav> Or does it just not appear?
[10:13] <jameseh> or maybe not preacher ..
[10:13] <iceman> sbalneav no, just it fails to add ... nothing
[10:13] <soundray> FraZena: well, if gnome runs from the live CD, at least we'll know that your graphics hardware is okay.
[10:14] <chmod775> what option I need to configure in httpd.conf for viewing the files in the directory on a webpage ?
[10:14] <soundray> !tell doro about nvidia
[10:14] <sbalneav> iceman: is your userid upgraded from an older version of gnome/ubuntu?  I'm wondering if you haven't got something mucked up in your gnome panel files.
[10:14] <D[a] > ehr
[10:14] <kimo> chmod775, option index something ...
[10:14] <FraZena> [soundray]  before I did the ubuntu installation on that machine there were Windows XP Pro x64 working fine
[10:14] <D[a] > can i use a wireless driver
[10:15] <D[a] > er install one
[10:15] <D[a] > on kubuntu
[10:15] <D[a] > w/o internet already on it?
[10:15] <chmod775> can u tell me the specific setting
[10:15] <iBalo> !enter
[10:15] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[10:15] <chmod775> ?
[10:15] <chmod775> plz
[10:15] <iceman> sbalneav no is a fresh install of breezey .... but did get a error in the install failed to read a file from the cd ...
[10:15] <soundray> FraZena: in that case, hold back with the live CD for now.
[10:15] <iceman> sbalneav dvd / cd-rw drive i think a bit to fast ..
[10:15] <doro> ty again, very helpful chat
[10:15] <sbalneav> iceman: well, then you've probably got a corrupted install.
[10:16] <D[a] > Anything?
[10:16] <iceman> sbalneav so guess i can install kubuntu desktop, and then reinstall gnome
[10:16] <sbalneav> D[a] : Did you download the newer windows driver like I told you to?
[10:16] <D[a] > sbalneav
[10:16] <D[a] > again
[10:17] <D[a] > the dlink site said it doesnt support linux site
[10:17] <D[a] > support linux
[10:17] <D[a] > but
[10:17] <sbalneav> iceman: actually, doing an apt-get upgrade should fix it.
[10:17] <D[a] > the ubuntu site says it does..
[10:17] <FraZena> [soundray] sorry I don't know the meaning of "hold back", however I'm trying the live CD now...
[10:17] <iceman> sbalneav no updates ...
[10:17] <sbalneav> D[a] : yes.  It will probably use the windows drivers under ndiswrappers.
[10:18] <D[a] > well
[10:18] <soundray> FraZena: I don't think it will tell us much...
[10:18] <D[a] > linux doesnt uses .exe
[10:18] <D[a] > AND
[10:18] <D[a] > it says that
[10:18] <D[a] > the apt-get install ndiswapper-tools
[10:18] <sbalneav> Thats why I said to download the latest windows drivers.
[10:18] <D[a] > is too outdated.
[10:18] <iceman> sbalneav i'll install KDE
[10:18] <D[a] > but
[10:18] <D[a] > .exe doesnt work/
[10:18] <jerware> Rawplayer: you're every where man
[10:18] <jerware> Rawplayer: lol  i just migrated to ubuntu from fedora.
[10:18] <FraZena> [soundray]  well, the live CD asked for the kind of VGA I'm using, the installation didn't I have selected VGA for now
[10:19] <sbalneav> the exe will be a self extracting zip archive, you should be able to unzip it with the archive manager.
[10:19] <soundray> D[a] : please stop using linebreaks for punctuation. You've been asked before.
[10:19] <soundray> FraZena: is there any indication that you could be using a Via Unichrome chipset?
[10:20] <FraZena> I'm trying to see it on the ASUS site
[10:20] <sbalneav> D[a] : The other thing you could do is move the box temorarily, and connect it via a regular ethernet connection to get the drivers installed.
[10:21] <AndyBe> Other question: Using Dapper and can't print on Lexmark Z45 with the given driver..
[10:21] <AndyBe> Printer gives me empty papers.
[10:21] <Kr4t05> !wireless
[10:21] <ubotu> wireless is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[10:21] <sbalneav> D[a] : I'm assuming your wireless router has a few spare ports on it?
[10:21] <sdx> another question... how can i change my screen resolution?
[10:21] <Kr4t05> D[a]
[10:21] <Seveas> !fixres
[10:21] <ubotu> Please read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:21] <Kr4t05> Thought I'd find you here.
[10:22] <Kr4t05> !twinview
[10:22] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Kr4t05
[10:22] <sdx> aw
[10:22] <sdx> okies
[10:22] <GreyBear> cls
[10:22] <DigitalGheko> hey where can I get some cool linux wallpapers? =D
[10:23] <sbalneav> D[a] : ping?  Are you there?
[10:23] <Seveas> DigitalGheko, art.gnome.org, gnome-look.org, art.ubuntu.com...
[10:23] <knubbe> is there a live-cd with both ubuntu and kubuntu?
[10:23] <lcore> DigitalGheko, google for gnomelook or kdelook
[10:23] <soundray> DigitalGheko: from your digital camera ;)
[10:23] <DigitalGheko> Seveas, thanks ;]
[10:23] <Seveas> knubbe, no, that won't ever fit
[10:23] <DigitalGheko> lol
[10:23] <Alexi5> i live in the caribbean.do you guys know of any online computer store that sells good laptops and ships internationally and also accept payment other than a credit card( i don't have one)
[10:23] <DigitalGheko> lcore, I tried that... ended up waisting the past hour looking at rubbish =P
[10:24] <knubbe> Seveas: well. a DVD would do as well :-)
[10:24] <lcore> DigitalGheko, have you tried deviantart?
[10:24] <sbalneav> Alexi5: Probably easier to apply for a CC
[10:24] <Alexi5> oh ok
[10:24] <idefix> hey guys, I can play a DVD with VLC now, except the sound doesn't work, the sound does work when I play MP3's... what's going on here?
[10:25] <Alexi5> sbalneav:i might do that
[10:25] <wastrel> how can i get freenx to use gnome icons?  i just get the default icon image for every type of file
[10:25] <Alexi5> what is a good PC store that has good laptops
[10:25] <soundray> DigitalGheko: my daughter took a close-up picture of our granite kitchen worktop. It looked very cool on my desktop, but drove me mad...
[10:25] <thegladiator> oh :)
[10:26] <idefix> der soundradiator ist wieder da
[10:26] <doro> my video is running a little slow so i look in device manager and it says my video card is PCI... that a problem?
[10:26] <sbalneav> I've got an Acer 2200 that runs Ubuntu fine, and my friend swears by dells.
[10:26] <FraZena> [soundray]  the live CD is frozen on a brown screen with an orrible mouse - the manual of my Mainboard talk about a graphic chipset integrated in the Northbridge - from the site the drivers for Windows are called "VIA/S3G UniChrome Family Display"
[10:26] <maxkelley> dells run ubuntu fine.
[10:26] <thegladiator> I think some of these things are highly dependent on the monitor
[10:27] <maxkelley> wb colm
[10:27] <colm> :D
[10:27] <evilbulgarian> hi, can someone tell me why "CacheRegion.py" is not in python2.4-cheetah package? and how i can get it?
[10:27] <idefix> hey guys, I can play a DVD with VLC now, except the sound doesn't work, the sound does work when I play MP3's... what's going on here?
[10:27] <thegladiator> are there cases wher live cd doesnt work , yet the installation works sort of scenario ?
[10:27] <maxkelley> doro: if your video card is pci, then no.
[10:27] <doro> it's agp heh
[10:27] <thegladiator> idefix check you output , sound
[10:28] <maxkelley> idefix: the way linux sound is designed, only one program can use the sound server at a time.
[10:28] <soundray> FraZena: can you boot normally again, and see if you can login on the text console (Hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 at the login screen to get there).
[10:28] <maxkelley> doro: well then, that is a problem :)
[10:28] <idefix> bash: sound: command not found
[10:28] <idefix> output not found either
[10:28] <idefix> I'm only 20k at linux
[10:28] <maxkelley> wuh?
[10:29] <soundray> thegladiator: I'm sure that's possible.
[10:29] <doro> how do i fix that? bleh
[10:29] <maxkelley> sound isn't a command..
[10:29] <maxkelley> doro: what is your video card?
[10:29] <idefix> how do I check the sound output?
[10:29] <doro> geforce3
[10:29] <thegladiator> soundray : in case of a monitor related problem ? that is gdesktop not workin situation  ?
[10:29] <maxkelley> idefix: in the program prefs menu
[10:29] <thegladiator> X not running i.e
[10:29] <iBalo> idefix: assumong that you use gnome you have to tell vlc to use the esd (sound daemeon) iirc that's a separate package vlc-plugin-esd
[10:29] <maxkelley> doro: do an lspci as root and see if your vid card is in there.
[10:30] <FraZena> [soundray]  now I'm in the text console [CTRL]  + [ALT]  + [F1]
[10:30] <idefix> so apparently some program is occupying the sound output, instead of the VLC program?
[10:30] <chmod775> is there any irc over http access?
[10:30] <soundray> FraZena: logged in?
[10:30] <maxkelley> idefix: correct.
[10:30] <thegladiator> chmod775 afaik no
[10:30] <maxkelley> chmod775: cgi::irc?
[10:30] <GutterPunk> !xgl
[10:30] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[10:30] <chmod775> I foyup
[10:30] <maxkelley> oh, no.... not for ubuntu
[10:30] <thegladiator> IRC uses port 6667
[10:30] <doro> yes, it's in there
[10:30] <FraZena> [soundray]  logged in
[10:30] <idefix> maxkelly, how do I kill it?
[10:30] <chmod775> yup
[10:30] <wastrel> h8n freenx
[10:30] <maxkelley> idefix: you have to find the other program.
[10:31] <iBalo> idefix: yes, esd... tell vlc to use it, instaed to talk directly to the hardware
[10:31] <thegladiator> there are http:// based clients for irc
[10:31] <soundray> FraZena: run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[10:31] <chmod775> thegladiator, can u give me the link
[10:31] <thegladiator> but not really good as it can only handle the "chat" aspect mostly
[10:31] <chmod775> ?
[10:31] <preacher> if i burn dhcpcd_2.0.0-2_i386.deb on a CD, how can i access it in ubuntu bash? i need the commands to install it.
[10:31] <idefix> iBalo how?
[10:31] <joe_> hi, i'm receiving this error "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[10:31] <joe_> " when trying to configure kxdocker on my computer, is anyone familiar with this program that could possibly help me please?
[10:31] <chmod775> thegladiator, never midn plz give me the link
[10:31] <jetscreamer> dpkg -i blah.deb
[10:31] <chmod775> ?
[10:32] <maxkelley> preacher: apt-get install dhcpcd(blah blah blah)
[10:32] <idefix> apt-get vlc-plugin-esd?
[10:32] <maxkelley> or dpkg
[10:32] <chmod775> IdleOne, hey u there ?
[10:32] <jetscreamer> add sudo
[10:32] <soundray> FraZena: tell it NOT to autodetect.
[10:32] <thegladiator> chmod775 do this , go to searchirc.com and try out a server ir uses java in that case I guess , just try
[10:32] <maxkelley> idefix: apt-get install vlc-plugin-esd
[10:32] <iBalo> idefix: install the mentioned package and check vlc's setting then
[10:32] <maxkelley> with sudo :)
[10:32] <thegladiator> not website embedded though
[10:32] <FraZena> [soundray]  it's asking me for a password
[10:32] <chmod775> ok thegladiator thanks
[10:32] <soundray> FraZena: enter your user password
[10:32] <jetscreamer> vlc isn't the prettiest
[10:33] <maxkelley> jetscreamer: it handles a poopload of formats.
[10:33] <soundray> FraZena: and select "No" on the next screen.
[10:33] <thegladiator> mplayer is pretty
[10:33] <maxkelley> yeah..
[10:33] <jetscreamer> maxkelley: it's claim to fame is *
[10:33] <thegladiator> excpet for its sucky controls interface
[10:33] <maxkelley> cli is nice :)
[10:33] <soundray> FraZena: when you've done that, tell me which choice of X server driver is preselected.
[10:33] <thegladiator> use mplayr without gui and its interface is so nice :)
[10:33] <thegladiator> brb .
[10:33] <lcore> thegladiator, there is a gtk version of mplayer
[10:34] <thegladiator> gtk version which one is that ?
[10:34] <thegladiator> gmplayer right ?
[10:34] <jetscreamer> gmplayer maybe
[10:34] <thegladiator> besides that ?
[10:34] <FraZena> [soundray]  in the list it's selected vesa
[10:34] <jetscreamer> i like xine-ui in x
[10:34] <thegladiator> gmplayer is not very pleasing
[10:34] <doro> man, this thing is frustrating lol
[10:34] <jetscreamer> mplayer rocks cli
[10:34] <idefix> could it be that GAIM is blocking the sound?
[10:34] <thegladiator> I like mplayr from command line ovr all other players
[10:34] <NickGarvey> what command would I use to show all hard drives on a computer?
[10:34] <soundray> FraZena: okay, give me a minute now to look up what driver is recommended for unichrome...
[10:35] <maxkelley> idefix: right click on the gaim icon click mute sounds
[10:35] <nm> NickGarvey: fdisk -l
[10:35] <unut> Hello All, I'm trying to upgrade firefox to 1.5, w/o much success. ubuntu 5.10. Any thoughts? TIA
[10:35] <maxkelley> gaim tray icon, even.
[10:35] <knubbe> Seveas: There is a live-dvd which is 2.9gb. http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/dvd/current/
[10:35] <thegladiator> brb
[10:35] <lcore> thegladiator, http://<IP_ADDRESS>/mplayer/mplayer_clearlooks.png
[10:35] <NickGarvey> thank you
[10:35] <knubbe> Seveas: But i dont think the live-dvd includes both ubuntu and kubuntu :-(
[10:35] <Seveas> knubbe, it does
[10:35] <soundray> FraZena: did you install the amd64 or i386 version of ubuntu?
[10:35] <maxkelley> lcore: mmm
[10:35] <nm> knubbe: why do you need both?
[10:36] <chmod775> not getting anything positive
[10:36] <idefix> maxkelly... the sound of the DVD skips
[10:36] <chmod775> anybody irc overhttp
[10:36] <chmod775> ?
[10:36] <FraZena> [soundray]  AMD6
[10:36] <maxkelley> idefix: eh?
[10:36] <danl> what would cause screem to have an upload wizard protocol error when using sftp?
[10:36] <FraZena> [soundray]  AMD64 sorry
[10:36] <nm> chmod: what application are you looking for that?
[10:36] <maxkelley> danl: it's buggy.
[10:36] <soundray> FraZena: if you go down in the list, can you find a via driver?
[10:36] <danl> any ways to get it working?
[10:37] <danl> my server only has sftp
[10:37] <nm> chmod775, explain what you mean by 'over http'
[10:37] <idefix> it goes sound (0.33 sec) nothing (0.33 sec) sound (0.33 sec) etc.
[10:37] <mdmkolbe> I am taking a look at different distros.  Ubuntu seems to be good in that it "just works" (nothing is worse than a broken computer when there's work to be done), but how much control and flexibility do I loose?  (Yeah, I'm one of those annoying power users that wants both total control and total automation like with a gentoo/ubuntu hybrid)
[10:37] <FraZena> [soundray]  no, the list end with vga __
[10:37] <maxkelley> idefix: strange.
[10:37] <chmod775> nm I want to access irc on a web browser
[10:37] <FraZena> [soundray]  the asus site has linux driver to download too
[10:37] <soundray> FraZena: is this dapper or breezy?
[10:37] <nm> mdmkolbe: you lose about as much control/flexibility as you do by choosing to use debian as your distro
[10:37] <ubuntu> hi
[10:37] <idefix> it probably has to do with area codes, right?
[10:37] <chmod775> I should just go www.blah.net and then login to IRC
[10:37] <maxkelley> mdmkolbe: well, root is disabled my default... does that give you an idea?
[10:37] <thegladiator> how do I make xchat use 7000 as the default port?
[10:37] <idefix> I probably have the wrong area code?
[10:37] <nm> chmod: look up eirc (eteria irc?)
[10:38] <knubbe> nm: id like to try flight4 on my laptop. both kde and gnome. i run both on it now (breezy though).
[10:38] <soundray> FraZena: #leave that as an emergency option.
[10:38] <maxkelley> thegladiator: go into the code :P
[10:38] <nm> knubbe: install ubuntu and kubuntu on seperate partitions, might be easier than crafting your own livecd
[10:38] <thegladiator> cmon there has to be an easy setting!
[10:38] <maxkelley> chmod775: firefox has a chatzilla extension, I think
[10:38] <FraZena> [soundray]  :) Ok
[10:38] <keeb_> :D
[10:38] <chmod775> maxkelley, I know that
[10:38] <soundray> FraZena: is there a unichrome option?
[10:38] <Raph> evening' again
[10:39] <chmod775> But I just want directly without an extension
[10:39] <maxkelley> thegladiator: go into the code, replace all instances of 6667 with 7000, recompile :)
[10:39] <maxkelley> chmod775: set it up on your own server then
[10:39] <chmod775> how
[10:39] <Raph> it there any issues with the Archive repository ?
[10:39] <chmod775> ?
[10:39] <thegladiator> maxkelley,  thanks but , are you sure there is no other wordaround ?
[10:39] <maxkelley> chmod775: google!
[10:39] <chmod775> haha
[10:39] <FraZena> [soundray]  no unicrome, what do you mean with "is this dapper or breezy?"
[10:39] <maxkelley> thegladiator: look in .xchat2
[10:39] <FlannelKing> chmod775: so, you want to be able to connect to the irc server for whatever site youre browsing automatically?
[10:39] <knubbe> nm: but i dont want to install it, i just want to see if flight 4 works on my laptop.
[10:39] <maxkelley> ~/.xchat2
[10:40] <joe_> hi, i'm receiving this error "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[10:40] <joe_> " when trying to configure kxdocker on my computer, is anyone familiar with this program that could possibly help me please?
[10:40] <chmod775> yes FlannelKing
[10:40] <soundray> FraZena: which version of Ubuntu did you download?
[10:40] <maxkelley> joe_: yes, look in synaptic for x includes or something
[10:40] <Alexi5> hello
[10:40] <FlannelKing> chmod775: that's an awesome idea, but I don't think anything does it.  Sounds like a potential FF extension to me.
[10:40] <thegladiator> maxkelley, thats all I asked you , .xchat2 , why did you refer me to code ? :)
[10:41] <allowa> hey, having problem installing ubuntu. Have the HD partitioned (had linux+windows in that before) but when installing the partitions don't show up
[10:41] <chmod775> http://cgiirc.sourceforge.net/
[10:41] <joe_> maxkelley_: thank you
[10:41] <chmod775> http://cgiirc.sourceforge.net/
[10:41] <Alexi5> i would liketo know if there is much difference between the laptops in uk and the ones in the US
[10:41] <maxkelley> joe_: the problem is that ubuntu comes with bare-bones when it comes to advances stuff...
[10:41] <maxkelley> Alexi5: they have different lang-packs on them for default? :P
[10:41] <FraZena> [soundray]  Ubuntu  5.10 "The Breezy Badger"
[10:41] <FlannelKing> chmod775: oh, you're just looking for a web based IRC client?
[10:41] <chmod775> yes
[10:41] <maxkelley> haha, FlannelKing
[10:41] <chmod775> yes FlannelKing
[10:42] <maxkelley> mmm.. someone works at hp
[10:42] <thegladiator> let me check
[10:42] <soundray> FraZena: I see. It's strange that you don't seem to have a via option there...
[10:42] <Raph> it there any issues with the Archive repository ?
[10:42] <FlannelKing> chmod775: why didn't you just ask? and yeah, cgi:IRC is exactly what you're looking for
[10:42] <thegladiator> kewl
[10:42] <allowa> anyone?
[10:42] <thegladiator> its working well :)
[10:42] <chmod775> FlannelKing, u ideas on that ?
[10:42] <LjL> joe_: x-window-system-dev is a package you'll need to compile stuff that uses X
[10:42] <allowa> I found a similar problem: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=349241
[10:42] <chmod775> I mean any links
[10:42] <maxkelley> thegladiator: it is?
[10:42] <LjL> joe_: also, you should have build-essential installed for compiling anything
[10:42] <alf_> hi! some help here :)
[10:42] <FraZena> [soundray]  I'm not sure but the live cd did'n have it too
[10:43] <alf_> how can i creeate /dev/audio
[10:43] <thegladiator> maxkelley, yep :) .xchat2>serverlist
[10:43] <maxkelley> alf_: it should be there...
[10:43] <LjL> joe_: when you get more specific, there isn't a generic answer. but you can use auto-apt to find out what package a given file is contained in
[10:43] <alf_> it not there
[10:43] <sbalneav> alf_: If it isn't already there, then your soundcard wasn't detected.
[10:43] <maxkelley> alf_: either that or /dev/dsp or /dev/mixer or something like that
[10:43] <thegladiator> chmod775, whats the prob using xchat ?
[10:43] <alf_> yea
[10:43] <LjL> joe_: so for example, if you "configure" script complains about a missing blah.h header, you can run "auto-apt search blah.h"
[10:43] <alf_> it was dectec
[10:43] <chmod775> thegladiator, I can't access it in office
[10:43] <alf_> its a snd-hda-intel
[10:44] <FlannelKing> chmod775: can you SSH home or anything?
[10:44] <FraZena> [soundray]  the driver are called "VIA/S3G UniChrome Family Display" do you think I can try S3 in the list?
[10:44] <maxkelley> chmod775: ssh home:)
[10:44] <chmod775> nope it's very secure
[10:44] <thegladiator> chmod775, I dont think you cud then even if you do all that
[10:44] <maxkelley> chmod775: scream at the netadmin.
[10:44] <joe_> LjL: so what about if it asks hi, i'm receiving this error "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[10:44] <joe_> " what is the x includes its talking about?
[10:44] <chmod775> oh
[10:44] <sbalneav> Well, heading home for the day.  Later all.
[10:44] <thegladiator> chmod775, your office might be blocking 6660-6669 ports ?
[10:44] <Zoroaster> msg /nickserv identify nevermind
[10:44] <chmod775> Maybe
[10:44] <LjL> chmod775: if your office blocks ports around 6667 (the ones used by IRC), which it probably does, you won't gain anything by using a web client
[10:45] <chmod775> Oh
[10:45] <joe_> LjL: do i use the auto-apt in that case?3
[10:45] <soundray> FraZena: the s3 drivers are for an older family of cards, manufactured before Via bought S3. It's worth trying, but I wouldn't bet on it working...
[10:45] <maxkelley> LjL: java ones tunnel to the server computer..
[10:45] <cello_rasp> i have a usb keyboard with 2 pointing devices. both show up on device manager. how do i dsable one of them?
[10:45] <chmod775> Is there a way out of this ?
[10:45] <LjL> joe_: no, you don't in that case. you don't know what's the specific include it's talking about
[10:45] <thegladiator> chmod775, check if port 7000 is working
[10:45] <maxkelley> cello_rasp: familiar with modprobe?
[10:45] <LjL> joe_: but in that specific case, i can tell you that you need x-window-system-dev
[10:45] <chmod775> ok otherwise
[10:45] <chmod775> Any other way out ?
[10:45] <soundray> FraZena: if you select s3 (or anything), you can go through the rest of the configuration and just accept the defaults.
[10:45] <maxkelley> LjL: ah, cool, now I know too :)
[10:45] <joe_> LjL: ok but how would i find out what that specific include is?
[10:46] <LjL> maxkelley: do they? if they do on port 80 or thereabouts, then they might work
[10:46] <cello_rasp> maxkelley: not terribly, but i can give it a shot
[10:46] <thegladiator> other than that hit google , there are some solutions , but they pretty indirect like registering for a shell account else where and loggin into that shell using IRC client etc :)
[10:46] <allowa> anyone has seen this? ----> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=349241
[10:46] <soundray> FraZena: after that, you do 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart' to test.
[10:46] <thegladiator> its not very easy but ask google!
[10:46] <FlannelKing> chmod775: you could try using an HTTP proxy, to your home machine or whatnot.  But really, you need more information.
[10:46] <maxkelley> LjL: mine does... I can't remember which though
[10:46] <chmod775> ok
[10:46] <LjL> joe_: that's not really a specific include it's complaining about there
[10:46] <alf_> anybody know?
[10:46] <thegladiator> alf_, ?
[10:47] <maxkelley> chmod775: if you contact me in about 4 hours I can set up something for you.
[10:47] <maxkelley> i should be on irc..
[10:47] <LjL> joe_: it's just running some generic check too see that you have the standard X include files installed. there's a ton of includes that it will need there
[10:47] <cello_rasp> maxkelley: what does modprobe allow me to do?
[10:47] <maxkelley> if not leave me a privmsg with your email addr
[10:47] <FraZena> [soundray]  I'm rebooting with the new configuration... touch the wood
[10:47] <maxkelley> cello_rasp: it's complicated and probably won't work :)
[10:47] <alf_> how can i create a /dev/audio
[10:47] <joe_> LjL: ok and is there a package i can install that has a lot of includes that it might need?
[10:47] <soundray> FraZena: don't reboot
[10:48] <soundray> FraZena: just 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart' to test.
[10:48] <LjL> joe_: you could also try "auto-apt run ./configure". that will run your configure *under* auto-apt, which will then prompt you for *every* file that configure tries to access
[10:48] <Alexi5> are the intel core duo faster than the AMD Turion 64
[10:48] <jetscreamer> joe_: apt-cache search -dev | less :o
[10:48] <LjL> joe_: but that can become quite confusing, since the configure script will really try to access even files that aren't even remotely needed
[10:48] <maxkelley> Alexi5: probably not :P amd pwns
[10:48] <Alexi5> ok
[10:48] <LjL> joe_: so if you don't know what you're doing you'll end up installing Fortran compilers and other weird things ;)
[10:48] <soundray> Alexi5: that is impossible to answer, unless you ask for a specific benchmark.
[10:48] <jetscreamer> yeah :(
[10:48] <FraZena> [sundray]  I did "sudo reboot" is it wrong? my god, the screen is orrible
[10:48] <jetscreamer> been there
[10:49] <LjL> joe_: do try x-window-system-dev first. that's the one package X programs will absolutely need
[10:49] <soundray> FraZena: rebooting was unnecessary.
[10:49] <allan__> is it worth upgrading to Dapper yet?
[10:49] <LjL> job_: other packages vary depending on the program. but x-window-system-dev will make them stop complaining about "X includes"
[10:49] <thegladiator> allan__, probably not
[10:49] <FraZena> [soundray]  remember I'm a Windows user, rebooting is my life.. :-)
[10:49] <soundray> allan__: if you're into troubleshooting, go for it.
[10:49] <LjL> allan__: Dapper is not out, so unless you have some very specific need, no
[10:50] <thegladiator> allan__, it depends on you usage etc
[10:50] <allan__> ah
[10:50] <soundray> FraZena: funny you should mention it. I have to reboot right now to fix something... Will be back.
[10:50] <mdmkolbe> are the ubuntu packages compiled i386 or i686?
[10:51] <Alexi5> i only see benchmarks between the pentium M and the turion
[10:51] <joe_> LjL: so i type "x-window-system-dev" in a terminal?
[10:51] <Alexi5> and the Turion was rated to be better
[10:51] <LjL> joe_: no. you type "sudo aptitude install x-window-system-dev"
[10:51] <LjL> joe_: or you use synaptic if you prefer that
[10:51] <FraZena> [soundray]  the S3 choice was a failure, I have another VGA, do you think mounting it can help? It's an ATI Radeon 9250 is it supported?
[10:52] <thegladiator> FraZena, yes i guess ATI radeon is a good choice
[10:52] <LjL> !tell joe_ about shortapt
[10:52] <thegladiator> anything is better than s3 unichrome , I have it !
[10:52] <FraZena> thanx Gladiator
[10:52] <joejoe> ok right now my ethernet port isnt working becuase i have the nforce410 and i need to install the gcc3.4 package without getting it off the internet so i went and got it maually off the repository website now how would i install this package?
[10:52] <maxkelley> joejoe: eh?
[10:52] <joe_> LjL: in the terminal it says "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:52] <joe_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:52] <joe_> "
[10:53] <LjL> joe_: close synaptic
[10:53] <joejoe> here i need to install the gcc3.4 package somehow
[10:53] <joejoe> and i dont have internet
[10:53] <LjL> joe_: by the way, isn't kxdocker in the repositories? i recall that it was
[10:53] <doro> any good tools that let you monitor temps?
[10:54] <LjL> !info kxdocker
[10:54] <ubotu> kxdocker: (innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.35-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 215 kB, Installed size: 708 kB
[10:54] <joejoe> so i downloaded it thru windows and put it on a usb
[10:54] <LjL> joe_: so why are you compiling it?
[10:54] <joejoe> how would i install it in linux
[10:54] <joejoe> ?
[10:54] <LjL> joejoe: download it, and then use "sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb".
[10:54] <Gorgapor> are there any partition managers that can be used from an ubuntu liveCD?
[10:54] <joe_> LjL: huh?
[10:54] <LjL> joejoe: but you must take care to *also* get and install any dependency that it might have - and i suspect it has a few
[10:54] <joejoe> but when u download it
[10:55] <FraZena> [thegladiator]  do you have an unicrome?
[10:55] <joejoe> it doesnt come as a .deb
[10:55] <LjL> joe_: kxdocker is in the repositories. you don't need to compile it.
[10:55] <maxkelley> joejoe: is it a tar?
[10:55] <thegladiator> FraZena, s3 unichrome
[10:55] <joejoe> yes
[10:55] <LjL> joejoe: uh?! of course GCC comes as a deb
[10:55] <joejoe> and i have installed all other dependancies
[10:55] <FraZena> [thegladiator]  integrated on your motherboard?
[10:55] <maxkelley> joejoe: tar -xvzf *.tar
[10:55] <LjL> !info gcc-3.4
[10:55] <ubotu> gcc-3.4: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.4.4-6ubuntu8 (breezy), Packaged size: 473 kB, Installed size: 4520 kB
[10:55] <joejoe> give me a link
[10:55] <thegladiator> FraZena, exactly :)
[10:55] <joejoe> here ill show u were i got it
[10:55] <maxkelley> joejoe: cd (dir) , ./configure, make, make install
[10:56] <Gorgapor> please, it's important; are there any partition managers that can be used from an ubuntu liveCD?
[10:56] <FraZena> [thegladiator]  I have an ASUS A8V-MX you too?
[10:56] <LjL> maxkelley: except i'm not sure it'll be *quite* that easy to install GCC ;-) i think he'll be *much* better off getting ubuntu's binary!
[10:56] <joe_> LjL: so what do i need to do?
[10:56] <Gorgapor> i've gone and screwed up my partitions
[10:56] <joejoe> well when i do that it doesnt work right
[10:56] <maxkelley> LjL: oh, he wants to install gcc?
[10:56] <LjL> joe_: "sudo aptitude install kxdocker", or the equivalent in synaptic
[10:56] <eQualizer> Could someone tell me why my Gnome freezes up after logging in?
[10:56] <thegladiator> FraZena, mine is mercury but same one , integrated shared s3 unichrome
[10:56] <jenda> what's the command to move all files within a dir (recursively) to a single one?
[10:56] <eQualizer> As soon as I have entered my login name and pw, it freezes.
[10:56] <LjL> maxkelley: apparently - and his box doesn't have internet access (he needs gcc 3.4)
[10:57] <FraZena> [soundray]  welcome back
[10:57] <Gorgapor> jenda, you'd probably need a script to do that
[10:57] <soundray> FraZena: any luck with s3?
[10:57] <maxkelley> mv -r * /home/newdir/
[10:57] <joejoe> here i got it at http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/devel/gcc-3.4
[10:57] <thegladiator> FraZena, didnt much about gfx those days , I dont like s3 unichrome much , its old technology , radeon is better
[10:57] <maxkelley> that was to jenda
[10:57] <Gorgapor> guess i was wrong
[10:57] <warthawg> if a fella wanted to go back to breezy 32 from breezy 64, would he have to do a complete reinstall, or could he "upgrade" ?
[10:57] <Gorgapor> seriously tho, are there any partition managers that can be used from an ubuntu liveCD?
[10:57] <LjL> maxkelley: can you give him the path to the right package? i'm not running ubuntu right now. "apt-cache show gcc-3.4" will show the path (something like pool/breezy/g/gcc-3.4...)
[10:57] <maxkelley> warthawg: comple reinstall I believe..
[10:58] <FraZena> [soundray]  s3 was a failure, I'have installed a new VGA, an ATI radeon 9250, now trying to reconfigure xserver
[10:58] <maxkelley> k, one sec.
[10:58] <warthawg> darn it, but thanks, maxkelley
[10:58] <LjL> joejoe: that *is* a deb file
[10:58] <maxkelley> badooooo!
[10:58] <JoelOl75> mp3 mouseover preview in gnome, anyone know what programs add in this support? Mine broke and just makes a chirp sound now
[10:58] <LjL> joejoe: at least, it is if you click on the "i386" (or whatever architecture you need) link instead of clicking on the source link.........
[10:58] <jenda> maxkelley: you sure about that?
[10:59] <maxkelley> what the heck is with all these joes?
[10:59] <joe_> LjL: ok so after i type that in, then what?
[10:59] <sovin> question: i used synaptic to install kismet, does anyone know where the config files for kismet are if installed via synaptic?
[10:59] <barktpolar> Hello
[10:59] <soundray> FraZena: good choice. Have you read the ubuntu guides for ati?
[10:59] <maxkelley> jenda: use cp to copy them instead
[10:59] <LjL> maxkelley: nevermind that, the link he's got is correct. he just got the wrong file
[10:59] <warthawg> SET MAX_JOE = 1
[10:59] <LjL> joe_: then kxdocker is installed.
[10:59] <maxkelley> LjL: hehe
[10:59] <maxkelley> warthawg: hehe
[10:59] <trpr42> sovin: at a prompt you can type dpkg -L kismet .... and it will list all the files in the package and where they were installed to
[10:59] <maxkelley> GENERAL HEHE TO ALL PLZ OK
[10:59] <barktpolar> Where is Ubuntu located in countrywise
[10:59] <joejoe> ohhhhh ok i see
[10:59] <joejoe> lol thx man
[10:59] <FraZena> [soundray]  no, sorry, where can I find it? o.O' I'm a windows user, we don't read
[10:59] <maxkelley> barktpolar: some weird island.
[10:59] <soundray> !tell FraZena about ati
[10:59] <jenda> maxkelley: of course, thanks :)
[11:00] <Henry_Bean> hi, it is possible that in dapper r about four days that is nothing to upgrade??
[11:00] <barktpolar> O.K. Is there any tax if it's sent to the U.S.
[11:00] <soundray> FraZena: no, you are now officially an Ubuntu user. Welcome!
[11:00] <soundray> Henry_Bean: unlikely.
[11:00] <barktpolar> I wanted to know
[11:00] <peeters> Hello everone
[11:00] <FraZena> [soundray]  Thankyou... ^.^
[11:01] <sovin> trpr42 : many thanks.
[11:01] <barktpolar> O.K. and how long iwll it take for my CDs
[11:01] <LjL> joejoe: you do realize that you also need all the listed dependencies (i.e. binutils, libc6, etc, though many will be already installed), and also the dependencies of the dependencies, etc?
[11:01] <joe_> LjL: where would it install to/ how would i run it now?
[11:01] <soundray> FraZena: I hope it'll work for you. Have to go now. Ciao!
[11:01] <Henry_Bean> soundray: i make apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade and "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." :(
[11:01] <trpr42> sovin: it wasn't exactly the answer to your question.. i don't know how to check that list from within synaptic (that is a feature i am sure), but synaptic just uses apt, and thats the apt way of checking
[11:01] <LjL> joe_: perhaps try typing "kxdocker" - or otherwise, "dpkg -L kxdocker" will give you a list of all the files it installed. the ones in /usr/bin will probably be executable
[11:02] <soundray> Henry_Bean: sounds unusual to me. I had plenty of upgrades today, yesterday and the day before.
[11:02] <JoelOl75> cant find info anywhere on this Matacity mp3 mouseover preview in gnome, anyone know what programs add in this support? Mine broke and just makes a chirp sound now
[11:02] <barktpolar> So how long?
[11:02] <peeters> where can I find a development release of ubuntu? version 5.10 don't work on my Acer 8200
[11:02] <nickrud> Henry_Bean: what repo mirror are you using?
[11:02] <joejoe> yes i do know
[11:02] <joejoe> and i have the rest
[11:02] <eQualizer> How do I start X? I need to start it for Fluxbox.
[11:02] <LjL> !tell peeters about dapper
[11:02] <Henry_Bean> nickrud: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[11:02] <Henry_Bean> nickrud: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[11:03] <sovin> trpr42: ah, it works admirably though -- the install through symantic was more a nooblish move on my part anyways :) thanks again.
[11:03] <nickrud> Henry_Bean: then, I just updated that 30 minutes ago, and have packages. Strange
[11:03] <odat> whats the command to see you ip address assigned by your router
[11:03] <odat> ?
[11:03] <Blissex> eQualizer: two waysL: if you use a DM then ask for the ''emergency'' config, else from a terminal 'xinit;
[11:03] <LjL> odat: try "ifconfig"
[11:03] <maxkelley> sovin: synaptic, you mean? I hate windoze symantec P
[11:03] <Stormx2> what is k3b?
[11:03] <joe_> LjL: ok it worked.  Thank you very very much =)
[11:03] <Henry_Bean> noo! u r right! i have no the deb line in that repository :S just the src :@
[11:03] <miL> any scottish around?
[11:04] <miL> any scottish around?
[11:04] <nickrud> Henry_Bean: ah ha!
[11:04] <Rambo3> !rar
[11:04] <ubotu> well, rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[11:04] <Stormx2> !k3b
[11:04] <ubotu> K3b was created to be a feature-rich and easy to handle CD burning application, for more info goto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/K3BHowto
[11:04] <LjL> joe_: remember what the bot told you about searching and installing packages, next time. in most case you will *not* need to download and compile anything, as long as the repositories have the package you need
[11:04] <Henry_Bean> it's recomendable to make upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[11:04] <LjL> miL: this is a question for #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:04] <LjL> Henry_Bean: dist-upgrade afaik
[11:04] <joe_> LjL: ok ill follow that.  Thank you again
[11:05] <barktpolar> Did anyone answer my tax question?
[11:05] <Henry_Bean> 137 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 2 to remove and 1 not upgraded. COOL!!!!
[11:05] <sovin> maxkelley: yes, and here here for linux's practically virus-free architecture!
[11:05] <Henry_Bean> xD
[11:05] <mojota> Hello im running apache on ubuntu and i was wanting to create a ftp server to point to apache directory to upload / download / delete files well i tryed to install proftd and it works it will ask for a username / pw but i never can get it to login i was wondering if anyone could show me a config of proftpd that shows how to do a useraccount for a certain directory to upload / download / delete files
[11:05] <LjL> sovin: virus-free architecture?
[11:05] <nickrud> barktpolar: it is free, no cost, therefore no tax
[11:05] <maxkelley> sovin: yay!
[11:05] <barktpolar> Cool
[11:05] <cello_rasp> holy runons batman
[11:06] <maxkelley> eh?
[11:06] <maxkelley> runons?
[11:06] <cello_rasp> run-on sentences :)
[11:06] <peeters> is Ubuntu 5.10 the latest version?
[11:06] <barktpolar> and how long does it take for ubuntu to come in for wheer I live
[11:07] <maxkelley> cello_rasp: oh, yeah... talk about it.
[11:07] <nickrud> barktpolar: figure 4-8 wks
[11:07] <Stormx2> Henry_Bean: What you doing, upgrading to dapper?
[11:07] <maxkelley> peeters: yeah
[11:07] <maxkelley> peeters: latest stable, tha
[11:07] <kbrosnan> Well they do ask to make your question one message. But yes a period (full stop) would be nice
[11:07] <maxkelley> that is.
[11:07] <peeters> maxkelly: there is no latest development version available?
[11:07] <maxkelley> hehehe
[11:07] <LjL> peeters: it's the latest non-development version, yeah
[11:08] <nickrud> barktpolar: it's still faster to download, even over several days with a dialup.
[11:08] <maxkelley> peeters: dapper flight 4 is avail, but 5.10 is the latest stable
[11:08] <GreyBear> Tax Quwstion, I received my Breezy distro in U.S.A. free of charge, no postage, no tax
[11:08] <LjL> peeters: the bot just sent you a link about the next version
[11:08] <LjL> peeters: please read it
[11:08] <cello_rasp> I think it would be awesome if you could get universe and multivers on cd as well.. maybe a few dvds like debian
[11:08] <maxkelley> the bot knows what you're thinking!
[11:08] <maxkelley> cello_rasp: eh?
[11:09] <GreyBear> Mine arrived in less than 3 weeks
[11:09] <maxkelley> oh, I see what you mean
[11:09] <Bratsche> Hello.
[11:09] <maxkelley> that'd be.. odd.
[11:09] <maxkelley> helawo Bratsche
[11:09] <Henry_Bean> Stormx2: no, i'm in dapper, i installed dapper from scratch, but i don't know why i forget to add the deb line in sources.list of the oficial repositories, so three days from now i had nothing to upgrade
[11:09] <cello_rasp> not really, i know people without connections that could do with ubuntu
[11:09] <Bratsche> Sooo, I was just wondering why I should switch to Ubuntu from Windows 98.
[11:09] <Bratsche> (I'm looking for a good Linux distro)
[11:09] <peeters> LjL, I can't find the link to download it, sorry
[11:10] <Stormx2> Bratsche: because ubuntu kicks ass? :P
[11:10] <LjL> Bratsche: perhaps you shouldn't. though, actually, you should probably switch to *anything* instead of staying with win98...
[11:10] <nickrud> Bratsche: tonnes of good software, on a reliable base
[11:10] <Ribs> Windows 95?
[11:10] <cello_rasp> Bratche: becasue Ubuntu has significantly better hardware support (it is true!) and gnome acts exactly the same :)
[11:10] <Stormx2> Bratsche: What kind of user are you? What do you do on a computer?
[11:10] <maxkelley> Bratsche: security, uptime, free cookies...
[11:10] <cello_rasp> althought win98 was the best of the windows series before XP
[11:10] <LjL> peeters: that's because there is no download link there. but just join #ubuntu+1, and you'll find the link
[11:10] <Stormx2> cello_rasp: Win2K ftw
[11:11] <Xenguy> Bratsche: freedom is the most important reason IMHO
[11:11] <Seveas> Bratsche, if you're looking for a good linux distro then win98 is a bad choice ;)
[11:11] <peeters> LjL: thank you
[11:11] <Ribs> cello_rasp: Well, improving on Windows 95 wasn't too hard, really.
[11:11] <Stormx2> lol Seveas :P
[11:11] <maxkelley> hehe...
[11:11] <cello_rasp> Stormx2 haha 98sp was a missiove improvemtn and much better that the terrible implementation of NT as on 2K
[11:11] <maxkelley> Change a background here, colour there, voila, Win98!
[11:11] <Bratsche> Stormx2: I'm mostly a student-type user. Writing stuff, internet surfing, Wikipedia editing, and audio work.
[11:12] <maxkelley> Bratsche: awesome, you'd be great for linux.
[11:12] <Bratsche> I'm actually just sick of all of the bugs in Windows.
[11:12] <cello_rasp> Bratsche: then ubuntu is perfect for you!
[11:12] <Seveas> Bratsche, but seriously: you should only use Ubuntu or any other linux if you're unhappy with what you have now. Download an Ubuntu live cd and try it out - if you like it: install it
[11:12] <LordKhaine> I think we can all agree that windows ME was clearly the best windows version ;o
[11:12] <LjL> cello_rasp: perhaps you mean before 2000. i can't see one reason why 98 would be better than 2000
[11:12] <Rambo3> move it to ubuntu-offtopic
[11:12] <maxkelley> who isn't?
[11:12] <cello_rasp> Micorsoft Bob was
[11:12] <Bratsche> Seveas: Well, yes. I am unhappy right now (at least in regards to computer work)
[11:12] <maxkelley> 2000-xp is just as bad..
[11:12] <Seveas> Bratsche, then you really should give Ubuntu a try
[11:13] <gareth> hello, how do I set gnome to close a window, when double click on left most application icon on the top bar
[11:13] <Seveas> the live cd makes trying it out easy
[11:13] <Bratsche> Cool.
[11:13] <FlannelKing> Ljl I'm still partial to 95, honestly.
[11:13] <LinuxJones> Bratsche: most people are lost when they first install Linux. It will take a bit of time getting used to it, but it's certainly worth the effort.
[11:13] <Stormx2> Bratsche: Writing, Internet, Wikipedia is all handled. What kind of audio work? Just listening to music, or mixing it, or what?
[11:13] <cello_rasp> I came from using slackware but I was still very pleased with how easy it was to install ubuntu
[11:13] <maxkelley> If you have a strong urge to throw your freakishly heavy CRT out the window, Linux is for you!!
[11:14] <Bratsche> Stormx2: Yes, listening, but I've started a small podcast for my school, so any mixing software would be great.
[11:14] <Seveas> maxkelley, I have a featherlight laptop and still I love Ubuntu ;)
[11:14] <cello_rasp> there is hardly any process, infact installation is quicker than any of the windows family
[11:14] <maxkelley> Bratsche: audacity is amazing. music record software
[11:14] <cello_rasp> Seveas have you tried xubuntu?
[11:14] <maxkelley> Seveas: freakishly light is also included in there :)
[11:14] <Seveas> cello_rasp, yes, a long time ago. I love my gnome
[11:14] <Bratsche> maxkelley: Yes, that's what I've been using.
[11:14] <Stormx2> Bratsche: There are about 252,515 media players for linux :P
[11:14] <cello_rasp> maxkelley: audacity is ok but it has nothing on cool edit pro i am afraid
[11:15] <maxkelley> Bratsche: yep, audacity is linux based..
[11:15] <maxkelley> cello_rasp: never used it..
[11:15] <maxkelley> erm, I mean it's linux compatible.
[11:15] <LjL> maxkelley: uh, why, does it come with a lift? i didn't find one with apt, and i tried "apt-cache search crt window throw"
[11:15] <Bratsche> It's interesting to note that the only reason why I got interested in open-source software is because Windows starting breaking a lot.
[11:15] <maxkelley> there's a linux version. you understand by now :)
[11:15] <Bratsche> First IE --> Firefox
[11:15] <cello_rasp> audacity needs a much better UI and an effects interface and it is good to go
[11:15] <maxkelley> LjL: eh?
[11:15] <LjL> maxkelley: ignore me
[11:15] <Seveas> Bratsche, hehe, many others preceeded you
[11:16] <Bratsche> Then Office ---> OpenOffice.org. I guess I'm just looking to finish the switch.
[11:16] <maxkelley> LjL: No, no lift... sadly... you must pick it up and break the window yourself.
[11:16] <Seveas> Bratsche, I have one more thing to say: http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[11:16] <LinuxJones> Bratsche: if you want audio software have a look at this >> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com
[11:16] <maxkelley> Bratsche: I went from win98 to a copy of xp from my mom's office, then quickly over to fedora core 2, then ubuntu
[11:16] <Seveas> and download it
[11:16] <LjL> maxkelley: that's a pity. well, at least linux comes with an easy way to stop the CPU fan and watch it melt
[11:16] <RollyW> hello all, just got ubuntu :)
[11:16] <Bratsche> Ok, well, you guys just confirmed my suspicions on ubuntu. I guess I'll go start a download. :)
[11:16] <maxkelley> LjL: hehe...
[11:16] <cello_rasp> welcome RollyW
[11:16] <RollyW> thanks
[11:17] <Bratsche> See you around.
[11:17] <Seveas> Bratsche, and if you run into problems: where here to help
[11:17] <maxkelley> RollyW: YAY!
[11:17] <RollyW> can already tell this is much better than windows
[11:17] <cello_rasp> another one corrupted
[11:17] <Seveas> RollyW, welcome aboard
[11:17] <Bratsche> Seveas: That's a relief.
[11:17] <RollyW> thanks guys!
[11:17] <ryan> hey guys
[11:17] <maxkelley> RollyW: Try xfce.. it's a very light, fast window manager compared to Gnome.
[11:17] <Seveas> hi ryan
[11:17] <Bratsche> Bye.
[11:17] <ryan> i have a question about linux
[11:17] <RollyW> although i must say, this Gaim is quite the change
[11:17] <maxkelley> I mean.. not meanly..
[11:17] <Rambo3> could svgalib programs be used for displaying bootsplash-like programs ?
[11:18] <ryan> hi seveas
[11:18] <LjL> ryan: it better be about *ubuntu* though ;)
[11:18] <maxkelley> ryan: go, shoot, bang.
[11:18] <ryan> it is
[11:18] <Klick_> hey all, ive noticed my root partition to be filling up fast but i store most of my data on a seperate partition, any ideas what is taking up all this space, and how can i clean it up some
[11:18] <h36sa> hi.. is anyone running enlightenment-17? I really like it but the only repository (deb http://soulmachine.net/breezy unstable/) is built in october.. really buggy.. anyone know a better one?
[11:18] <maxkelley> Klick_: have you restarted in a long time?
[11:18] <Seveas> Klick_, try apt-get clean and removing things from /tmp
[11:18] <Klick_> h36sa, i have it on my other box, but not gentoo, its beautiful!
[11:18] <cello_rasp> RollyW: i'm surprised you didnt try it under your old OS. I love GAIM :)
[11:18] <Rambo3> search backports
[11:18] <Klick_> thanks Seveas
[11:18] <maxkelley> yeah, that's what I meant.
[11:18] <ryan> ok im fairly illiterate when is comes to the ins and outs of this ubuntu thing
[11:18] <cello_rasp> you can even access IRC using GAIM
[11:18] <LjL> Rambo3: i don't see why not
[11:18] <Stormx2> why is k3b saying mp3 is an unsupported format ;_;
[11:18] <maxkelley> ryan: shoot yet again :)
[11:18] <h36sa> Klick_: I'm actually trying to get it for ubuntu
[11:19] <h36sa> I had it working on gentoo :P
[11:19] <trpr42> cello_rasp: no kidding. gaim-otr is the best plugin for it too. :)
[11:19] <ryan> how do i install programs that i download
[11:19] <ryan> nothing seems to work
[11:19] <Klick_> isnt it a bad idea to delete /tmp? cause all the temp stuff your using is located there, like gnome sessions and stuff
[11:19] <maxkelley> ryan: in what format?
[11:19] <RollyW> i know, gaim is teh shit! just soo much different.. I had 4 instances of it running before i realized i could have all chat programs interconnected
[11:19] <Seveas> !tell ryan about installing
[11:19] <cello_rasp> Stormx2? You didn't install the universe modules?
[11:19] <LjL> ryan: well, to start with, you *don't* download, unless strictly necessary :)
[11:19] <Klick_> h36sa, yah i had it running on gentoo also
[11:19] <LjL> !tell ryan about shortapt
[11:19] <maxkelley> there are no such thing as .exe :)
[11:19] <Seveas> ryan, ubotu sent you a link with some usefu information
[11:19] <Stormx2> cello_rasp: Universe Modules?
[11:19] <LinuxJones> Klick_: probably the software updates that have been downloaded.
[11:19] <ryan> thanks man
[11:19] <ryan> why dont download?
[11:19] <LjL> ryan: *first*, find if the program you need is in the repositories. only when you're *absolutely* sure it isn't there, start worrying about installing stuff that you download manually
[11:20] <Seveas> ryan, the package manager does the downloading for you
[11:20] <maxkelley> we need to make a perfect ramp: from windows-only to linux-noob
[11:20] <Klick_> LinuxJones, where are those located
[11:20] <Seveas> there are 16000+ packages in ubuntu - practically all you need
[11:20] <ryan> oh
[11:20] <maxkelley> LjL: make sure to tell him to select universe repos...
[11:20] <cello_rasp> Stormx2 ubuntu doesnt conme with mp3 support right off, you have to install them as well: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToEnableTheMultiverseRepositoryInUbuntu?action=show
[11:20] <ryan> well for instance
[11:20] <LjL> maxkelley: done that
[11:20] <Stormx2> wait
[11:20] <Stormx2> got it
[11:20] <iBalo> Klick_: jaust 'sudo apt-get clean'
[11:20] <maxkelley> LjL: sexiness.
[11:20] <ryan> i selected all the repositories
[11:20] <ryan> they are all active
[11:20] <cello_rasp> Seveas: 15 gigs, right?
[11:20] <Stormx2> cello_rasp: I know that. I have MP3 support
[11:20] <Klick_> iBalo, did that still same size
[11:20] <maxkelley> ryan: sexiness.
[11:21] <Stormx2> cello_rasp: Turns out i need to install k3b-mp3... genius lol
[11:21] <cello_rasp> Stormx2: cool
[11:21] <LinuxJones> Klick_: in  /var/cache/apt/archives/
[11:21] <ryan> but for instance i was trying to install Limwire
[11:21] <cello_rasp> ha
[11:21] <LinuxJones> Klick_: in  you can clean them out by doing sudo apt-get clean
[11:21] <ryan> ryan: sexiness?
[11:21] <Seveas> ryan, that's why I said practically
[11:21] <LjL> ryan: please check, by typing     apt-cache search .* | grep -c ""
[11:21] <RollyW> ok guys, im going to require a list of the essentials: 1) dvd ripping/burning software, 2)Torrent App, 3) world of warcraft capability?
[11:21] <maxkelley> ryan: try bittorrent... a bit of a different approach...
[11:21] <Seveas> !tell ryan about limewire
[11:21] <LjL> ryan: if that shows about 17000+ packages, then you have everything enabled
[11:21] <Seveas> ryan, ubotu gave you some information about limewire (ubotu is really helpful sometimes ;))
[11:21] <Klick_> LinuxJones, yah its empty, im guessing something else is filling up all the space
[11:21] <maxkelley> ryan: torrent app is already installed, Gnome BitTorrent Downloader
[11:21] <LjL> ryan: yeah limewire is not in the repositories, for some reasons. there are alternatives though
[11:22] <Seveas> LjL, the reasons being that it only works with non-free java
[11:22] <maxkelley> LjL: is limew in restricted?
[11:22] <maxkelley> ah
[11:22] <LinuxJones> Klick_: do you remember how much space you allocated to the root partition ?
[11:22] <Klick_> 9 gigs
[11:22] <ryan> is frostwire better?
[11:22] <LjL> Seveas: ok but it isn't in *any* repository, not even multiverse, is it?
[11:22] <maxkelley> frostwire>?
[11:22] <Klick_> and my base install was at 3, now its at 8
[11:22] <Seveas> ljl correct
[11:22] <cello_rasp> maxkelley: last time i did that the printer wasn't supported :\
[11:22] <Seveas> maybe I'll package it one day
[11:22] <ryan> it said something about consider frostwire instead
[11:22] <LinuxJones> Klick_: you have a seperate /home partition setup ?
[11:23] <maxkelley> Klick_: have you been shopping in synaptic again...?
[11:23] <Klick_> no, but i have a /data partition for storing mp3's and stuff
[11:23] <maxkelley> cello_rasp: yeah, but hardware support is becoming better and ebtter
[11:23] <maxkelley> better.
[11:23] <cello_rasp> we just need to go round the manufacturers with wiffle bats
[11:23] <maxkelley> hehe
[11:23] <maxkelley> whiffle bats and cranberry cakes.
[11:24] <iBalo> Klick, check your logs... either the logs are getting big thmeselves, or they might contain a hint on what's happening
[11:24] <maxkelley> well, the cakes would be for us to eat..
[11:24] <maxkelley> hmm
[11:24] <cello_rasp> i had an idea for a small usb device with serial and parallel ports all over it, with memory in it to upload windows drivers
[11:24] <Klick_> k, thanks will do .. ne more quick thing how do i tell a service like ssh to not start automaticaly
[11:24] <LinuxJones> Klick_: really the only things that change in the / dir are in the /var sub-directory, things like log files and whatnot. I can't see those taking up that much space.
[11:24] <maxkelley> hehe..
[11:25] <ryan> ok i have another question
[11:25] <maxkelley> the serial-usb-parallel-port-memory-thing.
[11:25] <Seveas> maxkelley, I'm the only one who gives those cloaks
[11:25] <Seveas> maxkelley, and they're on;y for Ubuntu members
[11:25] <LjL> LinuxJones: that *can* happen though, and it's one of the reasons people often put /var in a separate partition. if a program goes crazy, /var might easily overflow
[11:25] <maxkelley> Seveas: ah. well, all cloak-giving people have their own unique smilies :)
[11:25] <Stormx2> zomg k3b rawks!
[11:25] <maxkelley> Seveas: ahhh
[11:25] <RollyW> does ubuntu support dual monitors by anychance?
[11:25] <ryan> is there any other ap that works like limewire that is already in the repositories
[11:25] <Rawplayer> re
[11:25] <Seveas> fa
[11:25] <Seveas> la
[11:25] <Seveas> do
[11:25] <Stormx2> da
[11:25] <ryan> mi
[11:25] <cello_rasp> ryan there is a DC++ client but most hubs ban it
[11:25] <nickrud> !enter
[11:25] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[11:25] <nickrud>
[11:25] <mzinz> I dowlnoaded the mp3 codecs, and mp3s (over a network) work in totem, but not in xmms... why?
[11:26] <LjL> sol diesis
[11:26] <maxkelley> RollyW: of course!
[11:26] <LinuxJones> Klick_: you can stop ssh from starting if you have a few mins I can tell you how.
[11:26] <cello_rasp> ryan I suggest running these things with wine
[11:26] <Stormx2> nickrud: Seveas will kickban your momma if you do that :P
[11:26] <Klick_> yeah go ahead
[11:26] <ryan> wine?
[11:26] <trpr42> ryan: apollon i think
[11:26] <RollyW> maxkelley: how?
[11:26] <cello_rasp> wine is a windows-linux compatibility layer
[11:26] <nickrud> Stormx2: been there, done that ;)
[11:26] <wicked_> hi does anyone knows about myspace... because i wanted to know wich package do i need to install to have the macromedia flash player to work properly
[11:26] <ryan> <---- has no idea how ubuntu works
[11:26] <Stormx2> nickrud: hehe
[11:26] <ryan> ok but if i use wine
[11:26] <maxkelley> RollyW: connect it, ehm... search the ubuntu wiki at wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:26] <cello_rasp> !ubotu tell ryan about wine
[11:26] <LinuxJones> LjL: on a desktop system a seperate /var/ dir is probably not necessary.
[11:26] <Klick_> LinuxJones, i dont want SSH/SAMBA/CUPS to start, but i want to keep them
[11:26] <Stormx2> ryan: Magic
[11:26] <iBalo> mzinz: tel xmms to use esd as output
[11:27] <nickrud> !flash
[11:27] <ubotu> I guess restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:27] <nickrud> wicked_: see the ubotu just above
[11:27] <LjL> cello_rasp: uh... but is limewire a DC++ client?
[11:27] <LjL> i mean, a DC client
[11:27] <cello_rasp> i don't think so, but it is filesharing
[11:27] <Stormx2> ryan: I *think* there are instructions for limewire in the wiki
[11:27] <Stormx2> !limewire
[11:27] <ubotu> first you need !java, then download the http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and unpack it. Then just run the runLime.sh file. Voila. Consider !frostwire as an alternative.
[11:27] <maxkelley> LjL: limew is a gnutella client
[11:27] <RollyW> hmm, when i say dual monitors, i mean... the computer recognizes it as one, a single desktop spread over 2 monitors....
[11:27] <ryan> ah
[11:27] <nickrud> !xinerama
[11:28] <ubotu> it has been said that xinerama is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=xinerama&titlesearch=Titles Hopefully, one of these works for you, and feedback is welcome
[11:28] <wicked_> !flash
[11:28] <ubotu> restricted is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:28] <GutterPunk> I installed Xgl and it works fine. But know when I start X I can't fall back to a tty ... it's blank
[11:28] <LjL> maxkelley, cello_rasp: thought so... there are many other gnutella (and other) clients on linux, i don't see any need at all to resort to wine!
[11:28] <Stormx2> ryan: UP! :D
[11:28] <cello_rasp> i have to say, wine is awesome
[11:28] <LinuxJones> Klick_: you can stop them from loading by doing sudo update-rc.d -f <scriptname in /etc/init.d/ > remove
[11:28] <maxkelley> LjL: yeah, me neither..
[11:28] <wicked_> well this doesnt tell me wich packag eto install :S
[11:28] <maxkelley> lie
[11:28] <maxkelley> limewire is ick
[11:28] <Stormx2> cello_rasp: When the damned thing works >.<
[11:28] <ryan> im just wondering if limewire is the best program
[11:28] <mzinz> iBalo, i dont see that as one of them.. i see 3 others tho
[11:28] <maxkelley> ryan: nah, barely.
[11:28] <ryan> of if there is a better ap
[11:28] <Stormx2> cello_rasp: You ever used IEs4Linux? That pwnz n00bz
[11:28] <trpr42> ryan: try apollon.. its in the repositories
[11:28] <LjL> ryan: i don't really know, 'cause i don't use Gnutella much.
[11:28] <ryan> ok
[11:28] <nickrud> wicked_: there might be some problems with your flash, that page tells how to install, and maybe fix if needed
[11:28] <LjL> ryan: but why don't you try typing "apt-cache search gnutella"?
[11:28] <mzinz> iBalo, OSS, esound, alsa, disk writer
[11:28] <Stormx2> !tell ryan about limewire
[11:28] <Klick_> LinuxJones, ahh cool ill try sounds sorta like how gentoo was rc-update del fileininit
[11:28] <maxkelley> go to gnutella.org go to clients, see what they have for linux
[11:28] <ryan> sweet ill give apollon a shot
[11:29] <cello_rasp> IE4Linux? You mean internet explorer for linux???
[11:29] <Stormx2> ryan: Check your messages from ubotu
[11:29] <maxkelley> AGH!
[11:29] <GutterPunk> and some keys don't work anymore :s like my @ key
[11:29] <iBalo> mzinz: esound (aka ESD)
[11:29] <maxkelley> why?
[11:29] <LinuxJones> Klick_: yeah more less :)
[11:29] <mzinz> iBalo, oh, thank you
[11:29] <Stormx2> cello_rasp: This app downloads and installs one or more of IE 5, IE 5.5 and IE 6. Emulates Win2K too so it looks pretty sweet, works flawlessly, and doesn't change your current wine settings
[11:29] <wicked_> i have a fresh install of ubuntu i only did the updates
[11:30] <ryan> i did
[11:30] <cello_rasp> awesome, is handy for web designers. but i do most of that on windows because of illustrator photoshop etc
[11:30] <ryan> and thanks
[11:30] <ryan> im going to give this apollon a shotsky
[11:30] <Stormx2> k3b is the sex =D Its so much better than gnomebaker or serpentine :P
[11:30] <progrock> sigh.... looks like im not going to have any luck getting my ati 64-bit drivers installed
[11:30] <cello_rasp> anything is better than serpentine, such as having a well organised library
[11:31] <wicked_> Coudn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[11:31] <wicked_> in terminal
[11:31] <koll2786> i prefer k3b
[11:31] <Stormx2> cello_rasp: You ever used GNOMAD2?
[11:31] <Seveas> wicked_, multiverse
[11:31] <ryan> so what exactly does wine do then?
[11:31] <nickrud> wicked_: then you really should read the restricted page, it'll tell you how to install all that nonfree stuff, and the repos to enable to get it
[11:31] <koll2786> it allow windows apps to be run on linux
[11:31] <ryan> ah
[11:31] <koll2786> but its very restrictive
[11:32] <ryan> i have windows installed already
[11:32] <Stormx2> ryan: wine is basicly a windows emulator, though they call it a "compatibility layer". I means you can run windows programs on linux, albeit with some luck
[11:32] <cello_rasp> ryan it provides windows apps with the certain resources they need under windows
[11:32] <ryan> on a different partition though
[11:32] <ryan> ah
[11:32] <TdC_VgA> why the weird firefox icon, that's all i want to know
[11:32] <wicked_> wow my bad
[11:32] <LjL> ryan: no, no need for a different partition
[11:32] <maxkelley> TdC_VgA: BECAUSE WE'RE SEXY OK.
[11:32] <wicked_> im sorry
[11:32] <maxkelley> Or, it fits with the gui
[11:32] <cello_rasp> TdC_VgA beat me, there is a guide on how to change it somewhere
[11:32] <koll2786> i find ot better to use a windows machine to run apps
[11:32] <wicked_> i didnt notice i havent activate multiverse
[11:32] <wicked_> thx guy
[11:32] <maxkelley> cello_rasp: get a new gnome icon set
[11:32] <ryan> you dont have to partition it?
[11:32] <TdC_VgA> maxkelley: sexy yes, confusing... yes too
[11:33] <Stormx2> cello_rasp: I once deleted all my icons >.<
[11:33] <TdC_VgA> ohh i hate that little world, i do love my little firefox though heh
[11:33] <koll2786> to bad no wine for ppc yet
[11:33] <LjL> ryan: no, you don't. you just install wine, and then click on "setup.exe" or whatever you need to install a window program. a window will pop up, and you can install and run the program
[11:33] <maxkelley> TdC_VgA: Yeah, I've found that among erm erm erm erm erm.. new linux tryer-outers
[11:33] <LjL> ryan: this of course only if all goes well. for most programs, it doesn't quite go so well
[11:33] <ryan> i get that
[11:33] <koll2786> use codeweavers crossover office
[11:33] <TdC_VgA> maxkelley: been on linux for 8 years lol... BSD user mostly
[11:33] <ryan> i like windows though
[11:33] <TdC_VgA> so linux i guess not
[11:33] <maxkelley> wine is a linux program that runs windows programs.
[11:34] <TdC_VgA> Solaris and BSD heh
[11:34] <Klick_> can anyone tell me what NFS-kernel-server does, im wondering if its safe to remove from startup, trying to speed up my machine a little
[11:34] <ryan> i use this basically as a way to surf a bit safer
[11:34] <cello_rasp> i hate music managers. in fact, it would be cool if there was an xmms plugin to keep track of how many times you play stuff
[11:34] <ryan> and as a place for word processing and such
[11:34] <maxkelley> TdC_VgA: hmmm.. I wasn't saying you were.. sorry for the stereotype, there's just so many new linux noobs that come in here..
[11:34] <Stormx2> wow
[11:34] <Klick_> i wish they would port ituned to linux
[11:34] <trpr42> maxkelley: well said. glad you didn't say emulate.. that word is meaningless the way it is used
[11:34] <LjL> ryan: hm, i'm not sure surfing with firefox under linux is any safer than doing it under windows
[11:34] <maxkelley> trpr42: hehe
[11:34] <cello_rasp> itunes is rubbish.. seriously
[11:34] <koll2786> I use Mac OS X day to day
[11:34] <ryan> well
[11:34] <Stormx2> k3b even plays a fanfare when the writing is done. Incase you hadn't noticed the cd tray pop out xD
[11:35] <Klick_> cello_rasp, why do you say that?
[11:35] <maxkelley> LjL: it is.. I got spyware using firefox on windows.
[11:35] <ryan> cant you still get viruses on windows
[11:35] <cello_rasp> slow, badly written, terrible UI
[11:35] <maxkelley> cello_rasp: itunes is nice.
[11:35] <ryan> yeah thats what i mean
[11:35] <Stormx2> maxkelley: Firefox on windows = slooooow
[11:35] <koll2786> stop visiting crack sites
[11:35] <maxkelley> ryan: still get viruses? duhhh!
[11:35] <ryan> yeah
[11:35] <ryan> well not on here
[11:35] <Seveas> ryan, you can get viruses on linux and mac too...
[11:35] <maxkelley> Stormx2: you bet! takes longer than ie
[11:35] <LjL> maxkelley, ryan: i can't really see how that could happen if you don't run .exe files that you download. which is something you *can't* altogether do with linux anyway (save wine)
[11:35] <nickrud> koll2786: how do we know (beforehand) which are the crack sites?
[11:35] <Stormx2> maxkelley: Indeed. I use K-Meleon on windows
[11:35] <ryan> well
[11:36] <ryan> im not the only one who uses this comp
[11:36] <koll2786> yes but a virus on linux or mac is pretty rare
[11:36] <cello_rasp> Apple can craft a nice PC case but they have no idea about Usability or program stability
[11:36] <Klick_> well, i dont know about the badly written part, but runs fast on my win machine, and in my humble opinion i think it looks beautiful, and very easy to find what your looking for
[11:36] <^Odd^> where are the streamtuner files on the hard drive in ubuntu?
[11:36] <ryan> so its hard for me to stop the stupidity of others
[11:36] <^Odd^> like the actuall app files
[11:36] <liskl> can anyone help me install just the base kernal and needed software to boot and use apt-get on a usb thumbdrive /dev/sda
[11:36] <nickrud> ^Odd^: dpkg -L streamtuner
[11:36] <koll2786> well nickrud
[11:36] <ryan> so on here its hard for someone to download something and mess up the comp again
[11:36] <nickrud> koll2786: ;P
[11:36] <colm> maxkelley, which spyware did you get via firefox on windows?  did you have activeX installed?
[11:36] <koll2786> searching per say windows xp serial
[11:36] <koll2786> can lead to keygen.us
[11:36] <LjL> liskl: ubuntu isn't intended for that sort of things. which is not to say you can't do it, but it
[11:37] <LjL> liskl: ubuntu isn't intended for that sort of things. which is not to say you can't do it, but it'll probably be much easier with some distro more specifically tailored to that kind of thing
[11:37] <koll2786> which if you use i.e than good luck trying to get spyware off
[11:37] <^Odd^> nickrud:  i have it installed but i was wondering how to tell mozilla where it is on my hard drive so that i can record some musica ^_^
[11:37] <ryan> LjlL: where is apollon after i install it
[11:37] <maxkelley> i grabbed and installed linux as soon as windows pissed me off to the point where it refused to boot
[11:37] <trpr42> ryan: i don't know where the menu entry is, but if you type apollon at a prompt, it will open
[11:37] <LjL> ryan: i haven't the slightest idea i'm sorry, i'm not even running ubuntu right now... best bet would probably to try typing "apollon" though
[11:38] <^Odd^> maxkelley:  good for you XD
[11:38] <maxkelley> i had been using it on another computer for experimenting, but not for actual desktop use
[11:38] <Stormx2> ryan: Check your applications menu. If its not there, Alt + F2 and type the name
[11:38] <ryan> typing it where
[11:38] <nickrud> ^Odd^: I don't think that streamtuner is meant for that, but dpkg -L streamtuner | grep bin gives you the executables
[11:38] <ryan> haha
[11:38] <mzinz> iBalo, for some reason, i have my network connection open with the mp3s: i drag them into totem, then drag the same ones into xmms.  they play in totem, but in xmms it just skips through all of them like they can't be found or something
[11:38] <koll2786> i merged my 2 partitions before and forgot to take grub off and that screwed my xp pro up
[11:38] <bajek> #ubuntupl
[11:38] <ryan> <-- computer illiterate
[11:38] <trpr42> ryan: lol. do what Stormx2 said
[11:38] <Stormx2> ryan: Press Alt + F2
[11:38] <Stormx2> ryan: Then type it in the dialog which pops up
[11:38] <maxkelley> wudatdoo?
[11:38] <maxkelley> :P
[11:39] <ryan> thanks
[11:39] <maxkelley> menu-xdg?
[11:39] <iBalo> mzinz: sorry, no idea what could cause that...
[11:39] <ryan> can i make a quick link on my desktop somehow
[11:39] <nickrud> maxkelley: try installing it, then killall gnome-panel, and look at the application menu
[11:39] <Stormx2> ryan: What do you mean?
[11:39] <ryan> like a shortcut
[11:39] <ryan> not for me
[11:39] <ryan> but like i said
[11:39] <colm> a symlink, yes
[11:39] <ryan> believe it or not
[11:40] <koll2786> xgl is a good idea, but novell was to little to late on designing it
[11:40] <maxkelley> right click on a program you want to "quick link" then click "create launcher on desktop" or something
[11:40] <LjL> ryan: apollon really should be in your apps menu now. if it isn't, i think just logging out and then back in will make it appear (happens often to me)
[11:40] <maxkelley> koll2786: yeah, true.. takes too much mem though.. and cpu
[11:40] <colm> open nautilus and then find what you want, then alt and drag to the desktop > create link
[11:40] <ryan> the other people using this comp know even less then i do
[11:40] <Stormx2> ryan: If you want to view the files on the desktop, theres a "View Desktop" thingy on the GNOME panel.
[11:40] <koll2786> and might possibly be removed as I'm sure apple patented the cube effect
[11:40] <maxkelley> ooh, ack.
[11:40] <ryan> ok thanks again
[11:41] <maxkelley> well, we'll do one in the shape of a penguin then.
[11:41] <koll2786> i ran a daily build of dapper
[11:41] <maxkelley> cool
[11:41] <ryan> this apollon isnt connecting either
[11:41] <koll2786> but
[11:41] <koll2786> the thing that gets me
[11:41] <maxkelley> ryan: you have to say the magic words.
[11:41] <ryan> abracadabra?
[11:41] <ryan> what no
[11:41] <maxkelley> ryan: no, please :)
[11:41] <ryan> ollie ollie oxenfrie
[11:41] <koll2786> is that breezy installs fine without need dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:42] <ryan> oh
[11:42] <koll2786> and dapper
[11:42] <koll2786> grr
[11:42] <maxkelley> wow, that was a big netsplit :P
[11:42] <ryan> please you godforsaken app work?
[11:42] <maxkelley> ryan: that could work.
[11:42] <frank23> who is responsible for the canadian mirrors? Is it ubuntu or are they donated by some institution?
[11:42] <ryan> unfortunately it didnt
[11:42] <gareth_> Anyone here have Xgl+Compiz working? Just wanted to vent how amazed I am at how great my desktop looks now :D
[11:42] <nickrud> frank23: donated
[11:42] <nickrud> gareth_: pretty, yes
[11:43] <koll2786> ya i change the canadian mirrors to us
[11:43] <LjL> gareth_: i got them to work, yeah, and then uninstalled them
[11:43] <evilbulgarian> hi, i have python2.4-cheetah installed on ubuntu but for some reason in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Cheetah there is no CacheRegion.py so i copied it over from a slackware install and am wondering if thats ok to do?
[11:43] <frank23> nickrud: ok I can't complain too lously then ;)
[11:43] <ryan> anyone have an idea as to why apollon wont connect for me?
[11:43] <gareth_> they're unstable as heck on my ati, but here on my old nvidia geforce its rock solid
[11:43] <Klick_> hey all i just noticed in my services that im runnin klogd, and ALSO sysklogd is that right or should i only run one
[11:43] <trpr42> ryan: what was the setup process like. did it complain about finding the giFT installation?
[11:43] <nickrud> it's a simple script to switch back and forth between xgl & normal. Haven't gone back though, except to show it off
[11:43] <maxkelley>  evilbulgarian: if it works, then who cares ? :P
[11:43] <ryan> yes
[11:43] <ryan> it did
[11:44] <ryan> which means?
[11:44] <maxkelley> did what?
[11:44] <evilbulgarian> maxkelley: well the thing is that i bypassed the error about CacheRegion.py but now the script looks like its seg faulting from apache's error.log
[11:44] <LjL> complain about gift i s'pose :)
[11:44] <ryan> complained about gift whateve
[11:44] <ryan> yeah
[11:44] <ryan> is there something i should do to fix that
[11:44] <maxkelley> evilbulgarian: errg.
[11:44] <vladuz976> anybody know a good place to get web design templates from?
[11:45] <trpr42> ryan: there is a gift package in the repositories i think
[11:45] <ryan> ok ill give it a shot
[11:45] <LjL> ryan: sudo aptitude install gift
[11:46] <wankstar> i can't partition my drive.. doesn't have a "free space" selection, any ideas?
[11:46] <koll2786> i find
[11:46] <ryan> sudo aptitude?
[11:46] <ryan> im sure i have no idea what that means
[11:46] <delmar> yikes. now the package manager doesn't load anymore.
[11:46] <nickrud> wankstar: you'll need to either resize your ntfs, or delete a partition
[11:46] <delmar> ubuntu is realyl starting to get on my nerves.
[11:46] <wankstar> nickrud: aight
[11:46] <koll2786> well
[11:47] <LjL> ryan: "sudo" makes a command execute with root priviledges. "aptitude" is a program that lets you download/install/etc packages. "install" is the command to install. "gift" is the package name that you need
[11:47] <koll2786> lets just say ubuntu ppc on a imac g3 350mhz well dont install
[11:47] <LjL> !tell ryan about shortapt
[11:47] <koll2786> unless you want your cd's reading in the slot drive
[11:47] <delmar> all this fancy front end...and im still using the damn command line for butt loads. not sure what im gaining from ubuntu at all at this point.
[11:48] <me2win> use kubuntu!
[11:48] <LjL> delmar: so, have you gotten breezy in the end?
[11:48] <me2win> KDE2WIN!
[11:48] <koll2786> kde?
[11:48] <koll2786> LOL
[11:48] <ryan> ok so i downloaded it
[11:48] <koll2786> no thanks
[11:48] <me2win> kde > gnome
[11:48] <ryan> i still dont get the sudo think
[11:48] <LjL> ryan: you know there is an "Administrator" user on Windows?
[11:48] <nickrud> !tell ryan about sudo
[11:48] <koll2786> i will only use kde when it becomes a less resource hog
[11:48] <ryan> right ok?
[11:48] <delmar> LjL, yep. downloaded the .ISO and did a fresh install... updated.. uncommented/enabled the extra sources... more updates...
[11:49] <koll2786> i found kde to be more ram heavy
[11:49] <delmar> LjL, the desktop totally hung once... could still ssh in and restart the box tho.
[11:49] <LjL> ryan: it's the same on linux (except stricter, usually). that's called the "root" user. ubuntu has a peculiar policy about it: contrary to most other Linux distro, the actual "root" user is disabled, and instead you must prefix "sudo" to commands in order to make them execute as root
[11:49] <koll2786> o gawd gaim?
[11:49] <ryan> ok
[11:49] <koll2786> when is beta 3 or 2.0 coming?
[11:49] <delmar> LjL, but i have upgraded the kernel and nvidia drivers and stuff since then
[11:49] <ryan> so what do i type in to execute the gift as a root user
[11:50] <LjL> delmar: things that happen, but they don't quite happen as often here as you make it sound... in any case, have you at least stopped getting gamin or whatever hogging your CPU?
[11:50] <trpr42> ryan: you want to install the gift package.. the command would be: sudo apt-get install gift
[11:50] <delmar> LjL, just restarted the desktop and the SPM works again now.. (sigh)
[11:50] <trpr42> ryan: then when apollon launches and asks where the installation is, browse to /usr/share/gift
[11:50] <LjL> ryan: you *don't* execute it as root. "sudo aptitude install gift" is needed to *install* it
[11:50] <LjL> ryan: to install programs, you need to be root. to execute them, most of the time, you *should not* use root
[11:51] <delmar> LjL, that im not sure about... there does seem to be far too much CPU load when I move files from one HDD to another HDD (sata to or from ide both 133).
[11:51] <delmar> but at least they seem to scream between them
[11:51] <LjL> ryan: anyway, i don't think you really need to *run* gift, as i think that Apollon will simply *use* gift to let you connect to the gnutella network
[11:51] <koll2786> ubuntu is not very good for gaming
[11:51] <ryan> right
[11:51] !lilo:*! Turtle test.
[11:51] <ryan> but it says that gift isnt installed
[11:51] <ryan> thats my problem
[11:51] <ryan> i download it
[11:51] <ryan> and it says it installed
[11:51] <LjL> ryan: and as i said, "sudo aptitude install gift" will install it
[11:51] <koll2786> I ran ut goty on it and my max screen was like 800*600 at 16 colors
[11:51] !lilo:*! Complete.
[11:52] <ryan> and i type that where?
[11:52] <LjL> ryan: in a console?
[11:52] <trpr42> ryan: ok.. now run apollon again.. when it complains, browse to /usr/share/giFT .. click ok.
[11:52] <LjL> !tell ryan about cli
[11:52] <nickrud> delmar: change the colors of the system monitor, you may see that a lot of that load is io-wait, not actuall cpu usage
[11:52] <delmar> LjL, so perhaps the CPU load when im copying the file... is being caused by something else like that gamin.. or perhaps its just a shit mobo that hogs CPU because it has el-cheap'o disk controler on-board. /shrug
[11:52] <ryan> ok so it says
[11:52] <ryan> where is your gift
[11:53] <ryan> on my screen right now
[11:53] <trpr42> right. its in /usr/share/giFT
[11:53] <ryan> now where do i go
[11:53] <delmar> nickrud, interesting. ok. ill try that in a sec.
[11:53] <ryan> how do i get to that
[11:53] <odat> anyone using the weather applet?
[11:53] <trpr42> so look for usr in the list. click on it. then look for share in that sublist.. then giFT in that sublist.. just selecting a directory
[11:53] <colm> yes, -1 cloudy
[11:53] <LjL> delmar: tried hdparm? if DMA or something is disabled, your CPU will take a lot more load than necessary
[11:53] <delmar> nickrud, change the colors u say. if it was april 1st id think u are joking.. change them to what?
[11:54] <ryan> ok i think i did that
[11:54] <ryan> what are those other gift things for?
[11:54] <nickrud> delmar: I was assuming you were using the cpu monitor on the upper bar; right click -> preferences, and you can choose colors other than blue
[11:54] <mkyb14> hellow
[11:54] <delmar> LjL, yeah i havent used hdparm in so long I can't remember the commands and man hdparm confuses me :P lol. how can i simple get hdparm to show me what things are setup for...
[11:54] <ryan> and i did that and its still not connecting
[11:54] <mikebot> does anyone here know what dc++ is?
[11:55] <trpr42> ryan: give it a few minutes.. took a while for me at least
[11:55] <delmar> nickrud, no.. was using the System Monitor thing
[11:55] <LjL> delmar: "sudo hdparm /dev/whatever" will show you the basic settings, and "sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/whatever" will test the drive's speed
[11:55] <odat> anyone using the weather panel applet?
[11:55] <delmar> nickrud, ive never used gnome so.. adding toys to my bars and desktop and stuff is all new..
[11:55] <ryan> ok ill let it run a bit
[11:55] <ryan> thanks a lot
[11:55] <nickrud> delmar: it should already be on your bar, it's standard.
[11:56] <frank23> mikebot: its a dcc client
[11:56] <delmar> LjL, well for my sata it doesnt say much.. but i get this output....
[11:56] <delmar>  IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
[11:56] <delmar>  readonly     =  0 (off)
[11:56] <delmar>  readahead    = 256 (on)
[11:56] <delmar>  geometry     = 14593/255/63, sectors = 234441648, start = 0
[11:56] <LjL> delmar: err, please don't paste here
[11:56] <mkyb14> are there anyway that you can use a client like aim with in the terminal?  or do you have to have a gui?
[11:57] <LjL> delmar: anyway, if i'm not mistaken, that *does not* sound good
[11:57] <mikebot> frank23: yeah, i used it on windows, and tried running it with wine, and it worked, but i couldn't upload files (cause all my mp3s are on an ntfs partition)
[11:57] <ryan> well guys
[11:57] <eddi3> I have a problem, I started messing around with my partitions and completely screwed it up, I then tried reinstalling ubuntu but when I try to boot up, it can't start X and it stays in console. I was wondering how I can fix this
[11:57] <ryan> i think im hungry now
[11:57] <mikebot> frank23: is there any way around this
[11:57] <delmar> LjL, well it was only 4 lines.. much more and id use pastbin.
[11:57] <ryan> so i appriciate all the advice
[11:57] <frank23> mikebot: you can run dc++ natively in linux
[11:57] <ryan> ill be back later with some more stupid questions
[11:57] <ryan> take care
[11:57] <delmar> LjL, no... get this...doing hdparm /dev/hda ... i notice a few extra things... such as...
[11:57] <LjL> delmar: don't you even have a "using_dma" line?
[11:57] <frank23> mikebot: the instructions to get it installed are in the forums
[11:58] <delmar> LjL, IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
[11:58] <delmar> using_dma    =  1 (on)
[11:58] <mikebot> !dc++
[11:58] <mikebot> frank23: okay, thanks
[11:58] <LjL> delmar: which drive did you try before /dev/hda?
[11:58] <colm> odat, are you having a problem with the weather applet?
[11:58] <frank23> mikebot: do you have access to that ntfs partition in linux?
[11:58] <mikebot> frank23: but can i upload files from an ntfs partition?
[11:58] <delmar> LjL, /dev/sda
[11:58] <mikebot> frank23: yes
[11:58] <LjL> delmar: which is your SATA drive? (sorry, never had a SATA drive, don't quite know how they work)
[11:58] <odat> colm, i can't get the forecast tab to appear
[11:59] <frank23> mikebot: I think so...  you dont have write access on ntfs but it should still work I think. oh did you try to run the program from ntfs? directly from the ntfs drive
[11:59] <mkyb14> is there such a thing as aim from the terminal?? or do i need to install a gui?
[11:59] <delmar> LjL, sata is like a scsi in linux.. so its /dev/sda
[11:59] <Arclite> I just got 50 x86 ShipIt CDs in the mail I don't remember ordering.
[11:59] <colm> odat, so the icon, current conditions, and radar map are ok but forecast is blank?
[11:59] <LjL> delmar: google for "hdparm howto", there's a long tutorial on Gentoo's wiki -- yes i did say *gentoo*, so be careful (not 'cause it's another distribution, but 'cause it's *gentoo* ;)
[11:59] <Mersault> where do I get mod_env for apache2 for ubuntu? I apparently need it for mythweb...
[11:59] <mikebot> frank23: no, it's an exe
[11:59] <eddi3> I have a problem, I started messing around with my partitions and completely screwed it up, I then tried reinstalling ubuntu but when I try to boot up, it can't start X and it stays in console. I was wondering how I can fix this