[01:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83342 in launchpad-bazaar "Strange ": (Optional)" artifact on branch registration page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83342
[02:32] <ryanakca> hmm... any way to have a revision/commit removed from launchpad?
[02:33] <Nafallo> ryanakca: undo your changes and commit -m 'undo last revision' and push again? :-)
[02:34] <spiv> There's an "uncommit" command.
[02:34] <spiv> (in bzr, that is)
[02:34] <ryanakca> Nafallo: but then, couldn't someone just download the source from launchpad... and go back... and the go back to the current version?
[02:34] <ryanakca> or no?
[02:34] <Nafallo> ryanakca: probably :-)
[02:35] <Nafallo> dooh!
[02:35] <ryanakca> SSHHH!
[02:35] <ryanakca> s/one/on
[02:35] <spiv> I *think* that uncommit, folowed by "bzr push --overwrite", will update the branch on launchpad correctly, although the revision will still exist in the repository most likely.
[02:35] <Nafallo> why not just change the password? :-)
[02:35] <ryanakca> Nafallo: hmm... kk
[02:42] <Nafallo> :-P
[02:45] <mpt> danilos: "For Evolution, Launchpad currently recommends translating Hoary evolution."
[02:45] <mpt> Hoary? Really?
[02:45] <Nafallo> lol
[02:45] <ryanakca> mpt: ouch
[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83350 in launchpad ""Link to Any Package" forbidden, "Link to Ubuntu Package" not" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83350
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83351 in malone "Distinguish Rejected/Fix Released bugs in list of suggestions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83351
[03:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83357 in launchpad ""Link to Ubuntu Package" doesn't allow choosing a release" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83357
[04:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83359 in rosetta "Explain how suggested translatable package is derived/changeable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83359
[04:19] <mpt> Ah, I feel much better now :-)
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83360 in rosetta ""Used elsewhere:" and "Suggestions:" sections begin with a stray blank line" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83360
[05:44] <Bhaskar> when will solved the problem of queue bug i.e download po and mo?
[05:44] <Bhaskar> stub: still problem?
[05:46] <stub> Bhaskar: Should be fine now. There are no more outstanding fixes pending.
[05:46] <Bhaskar> stub: but i m not getting po and mo
[05:47] <LaserJock> danilos said early UTC Monday
[05:49] <stub> I'm not sure why he would say that - nothing related from him or Carlos on the list of fixes to put into production.
[05:56] <LaserJock> hmm, well I don't know
[05:56] <LaserJock> I just lurk around here
[05:57] <stub> Maybe didn't get a fix completed, or maybe forgot to add it to the lists...
[05:59] <LaserJock> what's the difference between edge. demo. and beta. ?
[06:05] <Fujitsu> Beta has the new shiny UI... Edge seems to have some newish features... Demo is on another DB, I think... Not sure, exactly.
[06:06] <Hobbsee> oh cool, edge does exist.
[06:06] <ajmitch> no idea, I can't really login :)
[06:06] <ajmitch> ignore that, it seems to be living now
[06:10] <Fujitsu> apport uses edge for submitting bugs, but that's about the extent of my knowledge.
[06:18] <mpt> edge.launchpad.net updates every day or so, whereas launchpad.net updates every couple of weeks
[06:19] <mpt> demo.launchpad.net is used for demoing Launchpad to large projects
[06:38] <stub> Hobbsee: Not much at the moment - the production system is only a few revisions away from the bleeding edge that is edge.
[06:39] <Hobbsee> stub: ahhh...
[07:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83372 in malone "Go to next / previous bug in search results without jumping back to search page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83372
[07:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #42409 in launchpad-bazaar "Uncaught xmlrpclib.ProtocolError in BranchStatusClient.mirrorFailed" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42409
[07:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83376 in launchpad-bazaar "Browsing bzr branches from a project page changes the "root"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83376
[09:18] <carlos> morning
[09:19] <Bhaskar> carlos,hello
[09:22] <ddaa> Hello there
[09:24] <jml> ddaa: hello!
[09:25] <ddaa> hey jml, how's weather in the UK?
[09:25] <jml> ddaa: I wouldn't know! I'm in Australia.
[09:26] <ddaa> jml: isn't .au in the UK?
[09:26] <jml> ddaa: no.
[09:26] <jml> ddaa: we share the same Head of State
[09:26] <thumper> british empire yes
[09:26] <ddaa> why would you celebrate the Queen Birthday, then?
[09:26] <thumper> they love her :)
[09:26] <jml> ddaa: an extra day  off,  of course
[09:27] <ddaa> thumper: I though that the UK was known as "what's left of the british empire after everybody else had the good sense to leave" :)
[09:27] <thumper> nah UK is scotland, england, wales and northern ireland
[09:28] <ddaa> I hope the southern irish don't feel left out too much
[09:28] <jml> not at all.
[09:28] <thumper> ddaa: not heard of the IRA?
[09:28] <ddaa> thumper: what is your sarcasm meter telling you?
[09:28] <thumper> ddaa: it's in that grey area
[09:28] <jml> ddaa: you see, there is this thing called the Commonwealth Games. Australia remains a member of the Commonwealth so we can thrash the English (and NZ) at _yet_ _another_ major sporting event.
[09:29] <ddaa> jml: I see, that makes perfect Australian sense.
[09:29] <jml> ddaa: exactly!
[09:29] <jml> ddaa: actually, one of my ambitions is to get the French to take up cricket and beat the English international test team.
[09:30] <ddaa> It involves a lot of beer, running into people at high speed, and kicking the shit out of English, I like it!
[09:30] <jml> imagine the humiliation
[09:30] <ddaa> cricket's too complicated for the French
[09:30] <ddaa> most of them do not even properly understand soccer
[09:31] <ddaa> well, that was fun
[09:31] <ddaa> thumper: I'm concerned about your sarcasm meter... if I only put it in the grey area
[09:32] <thumper> ddaa: it is hard to determine sarcasm purely over IRC
[09:32] <ddaa> that means that whenever it goes red, there's no need to check it out
[09:32] <thumper> detection is much better over the phone
[09:32] <ddaa> right
[09:33] <jml> speaking of which...
[09:33] <thumper> ddaa: speaking of which, did you want a chat before the meeting?
[09:33] <ddaa> oh well, just to make things clear, I was sarcasting since "how's the weather in the UK?"
[09:33] <jml> ddaa: do you have a skype id?
[09:33] <ddaa> jml: david.allouche, I think
[09:33] <mantiena> Hi all
[09:33] <thumper> hi mantiena
[09:34] <mantiena> danilos: roseta export still not fixed ?
[09:34] <ddaa> thumper: did I?
[09:35] <thumper> ddaa: it was a question, not responding to a request
[09:35] <thumper> according to skype the only two david allouche's are in isreal
[09:35] <ddaa> mh
[09:35] <thumper> you moved lately?
[09:35] <ddaa> won't move there
[09:36] <ddaa> stupid religious fanatic government
[09:36] <ddaa> yeah my account is "david.allouche"
[09:37] <ddaa> thumper: but indeed, with my name, I'd have little trouble getting there.
[09:37] <thumper> ddaa: User not found
[09:38] <jml> thumper: there's a third in Toulouse.
[09:38] <ddaa> what with Toulouse again??
[09:38] <ddaa> some acquaintance of me stopped calling me because he thought I had moved in Toulouse...
[09:41] <mantiena> carlos: hi, are you online ?
[09:41] <carlos> mantiena: hi, yes
[09:41] <mantiena> mpt told me, that you probably know when roseta export will work, so, I'm asking :)
[09:42] <carlos> I have the fix done, but I need to get someone from our QA team to review it and apply it on production
[09:43] <jml> ddaa: ah. found you.
[10:01] <mantiena> carlos: ok, thanks for info
[10:03] <carlos> mantiena: btw, it's being reviewed right now
[10:06] <mantiena> carlos: please anounce here when fix will be comitted
[10:07] <carlos> mantiena: ok, anyway, I will announce it in mailing lists too
[10:37] <Bhaskar> carlos, i have so urgent to download po , but i could not get success from several days, when i can get?
[10:38] <Bhaskar> carlos, i have urgent to build my project but i have no updated po
[10:38] <carlos> Bhaskar: we have a problem right now with the exports, the fix is being reviewed right now by our QA team and I hope it will be deployed later today
[10:39] <carlos> Bhaskar: is it an Ubuntu .po file?
[10:39] <Bhaskar> carlos, schooltool po
[10:40] <carlos> then I don't have any workaround, sorry. I will do my best to have it solved today, that's the only thing I can tell you right now...
[10:42] <Bhaskar> carlos, best of luck ,for your success today
[10:45] <carlos> thank you
[10:48] <seb128> hi carlos
[10:48] <carlos> seb128: hi
[10:48] <seb128> carlos: any news from feisty on rosetta?
[10:48] <carlos> seb128: I need to check with Stuart, he did another opening test this weekend
[10:49] <carlos> stu1: ping
[10:52] <stu1> carlos: just finished - 25 hours
[10:52] <carlos> stub: 25 hours?
[10:52] <stub> 07:15:49 INFO    Starting...
[10:52] <stub> 07:15:49 INFO    Filling POTemplate table...
[10:52] <stub> 07:15:49 INFO    Filling POTMsgSet table...
[10:52] <stub> 07:16:36 INFO    Filling POMsgIDSighting table...
[10:52] <stub> 07:17:10 INFO    Filling POFile table...
[10:52] <stub> 07:17:52 INFO    Filling POMsgSet table...
[10:52] <carlos> how's possible that it took only 3 hours for Edgy and it's taking now 25 hours?
[10:52] <stub> 07:43:58 INFO    Filling POSubmission table with active submissions...
[10:52] <stub> 20:51:27 INFO    Filling POSubmission table with published submissions...
[10:53] <stub> 23:35:58 INFO    Filling POSelection table...
[10:53] <stub> 08:34:41 INFO    Updating POFile's statistics
[10:53] <stub> 08:34:41 INFO    Done...
[10:53] <carlos> oh, right
[10:53] <carlos> the fucking statistics....
[10:53] <carlos> hmmm and also published submissions...
[10:54] <stub> There is a trigger on posubmission that might not have been there last run
[10:54] <carlos> stub: the statistics could be handled like we did for Edgy, disable them and do the update later once launchpad is back online
[10:54] <carlos> which one is it?
[10:54] <carlos> let me check..
[10:55] <stub>     mv_pofiletranslator_posubmission AFTER INSERT OR DELETE OR UPDATE ON posubmission FOR EACH ROW EXECUTE PROCEDURE mv_pofiletranslator_posubmission()
[10:55] <carlos> oh, that one...
[10:55] <carlos> stub: could we disable it while opening Feisty?
[10:56] <stub> carlos: It would take just as long as we would need to rebuild the materialized view afterwards.
[10:56] <stub> What is the problem with 25 hours btw?
[10:56] <carlos> stub: will you have launchpad down for 25 hours?
[10:56] <carlos> stub: last time I checked, you said we need to turn it down to execute the script
[10:56] <stub> Ok. I forgot this involved downtime :)
[10:57] <carlos> stub: if we disable the trigger, could we rebuild the  view with launchpad online?
[10:58] <stub> I think so, yes. And it is worth timing the rebuild anyway as I could be wrong about the rebuild time.
[10:59] <carlos> stub: ok, so, could you do another timing without the trigger so we can schedule the opening?
[11:00] <carlos> stub: you can also disable the statistics refresh
[11:00] <stub> We also want the code to rebuild the view so we can confirm the results are correct. Disabling statistics seems pointless as that was near instantaneous.
[11:01] <carlos> stub: that's something the statistics script will recalculate later so we don't need to waste time with launchpad offline to do that
[11:01] <carlos> oh, right, sorry, I misread the output you pasted...
[11:02] <SteveA> BjornT_, spiv: is there a review team meeting now?
[11:02] <stub> carlos: The big problem though is filling POSelection, clocking in at 9 hours. Disabling the trigger won't help that at all.
[11:02] <spiv> SteveA: there should be, yes.
[11:03] <SteveA> lifeless is traveling
[11:03] <spiv> Although seeing as it's 9pm, I won't be too disappointed if there isn't ;)
[11:03] <SteveA> and he asks that someone allocate reviews during the next couple of days
[11:03] <SteveA> until he gets home
[11:04] <carlos> stub: any suggestion (other than implementing the DB schema changes we plan to do)?
[11:04] <BjornT_> SteveA, spiv: since jamesh doesn't seem to be here either, maybe it's better to have it later today with flacoste and salgado instead?
[11:05] <BjornT_> spiv: (meaning you won't have to attend)
[11:05] <BjornT_> SteveA: i can allocate the reviews
[11:05] <spiv> BjornT_: sounds ok to me.  For the record, I don't have any issues to raise this week.
[11:05] <stub> carlos: Some more statistical output from the script would have been useful - so we can see the number of rows actually being inserted, updated etc. at each stage.
[11:06] <SteveA> ok
[11:06] <SteveA> jamesh will be in brazil later
[11:06] <carlos> stub: I could prepare a fast patch to add that
[11:07] <carlos> stub: would be possible to get write access to the language pack db so I can do the testing while adding more info?
[11:09] <mantiena> SteveA: labas
[11:09] <SteveA> sveikas!
[11:09] <mantiena> SteveA: still not in Lithuania ?
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57391 in launchpad-bazaar "Message column on branch summary list should honour newlines in log messages" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57391
[11:12] <stub> carlos: you don't have access to that database already?
[11:12] <carlos> stub: only in ro mode and as rosettaadmin
[11:12] <carlos> stub: that doesn't allow me to do translation opening
[11:13] <carlos> stub: or at least, if I have such access, you didn't tell me the user that would give me it
[11:14] <stub> carlos: Quickest way of getting the rowcount is to query cursor.rowcount after the query has been executed
[11:14] <stub> That will give the number of rows affected by the previous UPDATE or inserted by the previous INSERT
[11:15] <stub> The language openig script connects as the rosettaadmin user though. What postgres user do you need access as?
[11:16] <carlos> is it?
[11:16] <stub> do you want to examine the existing database, or should I kick off a rebuild?
[11:17] <carlos> kick off a rebuild, please
[11:17] <carlos> stub: ok, I don't know why, I thought we were using another user
[11:18] <carlos> stub: anyway, I will need that you disable the trigger once the rebuild is done
[11:20] <SteveA> mantiena: no, I won't be back until the EuroPython conference in Vilnius
[11:20] <mantiena> SteveA: EuroPythion will be in Vilnius ? When ?
[11:20] <stub> carlos: That will be just over two hours, so I'll do it after dinner
[11:21] <carlos> ok
[11:21] <carlos> stub: In the mean time, I'm going to prepare a patch to add more verbose output
[11:21] <carlos> stub: thank you
[11:49] <cprov> good morning folks !
[12:06] <SteveA> mantiena: http://www.europython.org/  9-11 july
[12:27] <gnomefreak> how do i get in touch with stub?
[12:29] <spiv> gnomefreak: email is best.  stuart at canonical.com.
[12:29] <gnomefreak> spiv: ty
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83405 in malone "Impossible to burn about is the software (bug in cdrecord)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83405
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83414 in blueprint "Mail handler crashes if it receives a empty mail body" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83414
[03:06] <daviey> Hi, is it possible to change your profile alias? ie the first part of your email address that gets embedded
[03:07] <mrevell> daviey: hi
[03:08] <mrevell> If you click
[03:08] <mrevell> "Personal Details"
[03:08] <mrevell> in the left-hand menu, you'll see a box called, "Name"
[03:09] <mrevell> Enter you new profile name in there
[03:09] <daviey> mrevell, thanks - got it! l)
[03:09] <mrevell> then click the "Save" button at the bottom of the page.
[03:09] <mrevell> Cool :)
[03:09] <daviey> ;), i had an embarrasing one as i needed to use a hotmail addy as my usual was blocking launchpad
[03:10] <mrevell> Aha :)
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83422 in malone "Targeting sourcepackages in distroreleases using the email interfaces crashes the email handler" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83422
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #51494 in malone "Emailinterface fails to file a 'backported' bug. (dup-of: 83422)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/51494
[03:27] <BjornT_> flacoste, jamesh, salgado, SteveA: how about a reviewer meeting in one hour? (i.e. 1530 UTC)
[03:27] <flacoste> BjornT_: fine with me
[03:27] <salgado> BjornT_, sounds good
[03:30] <BjornT_> cool
[03:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83426 in malone "Issuing the 'affects' command before a 'bug' command while editing multiple bugs using the email interface shouldn't crash." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83426
[04:29] <BjornT_> jamesh, flacoste, salgado, SteveA: review meeting in a minute
[04:32] <flacoste> meeting time?
[04:32] <BjornT_> yeah, let's start the meeting
[04:33] <BjornT_> == Agenda ==
[04:33] <BjornT_> * Roll call * Next meeting * Queue status.
[04:33] <BjornT_> so, who's here for the reviewer meeting?
[04:33] <salgado> me
[04:33] <flacoste> me
[04:34] <salgado> jamesh is downstairs with niemeyer; both sprinting
[04:35] <BjornT_> thanks salgado
[04:35] <BjornT_> * Next meeting
[04:36] <BjornT_> since lifeless should be back next well, i think we'll have the next meeting (next monday) at the regular time, 1000 UTC
[04:36] <BjornT_> we talked about changing the time before, and i'll bring it up again to see if we can find a time where you guys can attend as well.
[04:36] <flacoste> ok
[04:37] <BjornT_> * Queue status
[04:38] <BjornT_> the queue currently contains 17 unreviewed branches, but i still think it looks better than last week, since there aren't many branches over the time limit
[04:38] <salgado> yeah, I have one or two over the limit, but I'll review them today
[04:39] <BjornT_> there are three really old branches, one in jamesh' queue, and two in kiko's
[04:39] <flacoste> they are all cprov branches
[04:39] <BjornT_> salgado: maybe you can ask jamesh about the reviews he has in his queue? i.e., are he going to review them soon, or should they be re-assigned?
[04:40] <salgado> cprov, are you waiting for them to review these branches or is there something blocking their review?
[04:40] <cprov> salgado: branch are ok, waiting for their review
[04:41] <flacoste> cprov there is a >5k lines patch (archive-rework) there is no way you are going to get kiko to review that!
[04:41] <salgado> BjornT_, okay, I'll talk with jamesh
[04:42] <flacoste> kiko has trouble finding the time to review a miserable 187 lines fix-it-friday patch ;-)
[04:42] <BjornT_> thanks salgado
[04:42] <cprov> flacoste: that was a promise :), no seriously, changes are trivial and the code is already tested in dogfood
[04:43] <flacoste> ok, then keep nagging hime :-)
[04:44] <cprov> sure, james is also around. I may meet him personally before thursday to sort this out.
[04:44] <BjornT_> the rest of the branches look quite good, there are a few branches that are slightly over the time limit (assigned to jamesh, SteveA and salgado), so let's keep up the good work and try to have all branches below the limit next monday!
[04:44] <flacoste> BjornT_: i have another question for cprov
[04:45] <BjornT_> flacoste: go ahead
[04:45] <flacoste> there is another soyuz branch in needs-replys state: malcolmcleaton/launchpad/malcc-fixes
[04:45] <flacoste> who is going to handle this since malcom left?
[04:45] <cprov> flacoste: let me check
[04:45] <flacoste> that branch is 112 days old
[04:46] <cprov> flacoste: uhm, it's a fix in deathrow, with extra comments from spiv. I'll assume that too
[04:47] <flacoste> cprov: thanks
[04:47] <cprov> flacoste: np
[04:48] <flacoste> BjornT_: i am done
[04:48] <BjornT_> cprov: so that means that you will take responsibility to land it?
[04:49] <cprov> BjornT_: yes, I will deal with the review comments from spiv
[04:49] <BjornT_> cool, thanks
[04:49] <BjornT_> * Other business
[04:49] <BjornT_> any other business?
[04:50] <BjornT_> 5
[04:50] <BjornT_> 4
[04:50] <BjornT_> 3
[04:50] <BjornT_> 2
[04:50] <BjornT_> 1
[04:51] <BjornT_> ok, meeting over. thanks for coming!
[04:51] <salgado> thanks BjornT_
[04:53] <flacoste> thanks BjornT_
[10:28] <eamonn> hi all. I'm having a bit of trouble with a very basic aspect of launchpad. I'm trying to mirror a tiny project -- a python module -- from my own personal subversion repository to launchpad, but it hasn't worked.
[10:29] <eamonn> the project I've created is here: https://launchpad.net/itunes-export/
[10:29] <ddaa> eamonn: it needs some manual operation
[10:29] <ddaa> I'm the one operating it
[10:30] <ddaa> been very busy lately making the whole mirroring thing work better, and this stuff fell a bit on the wayside
[10:30] <ddaa> will do the maintenance right now
[10:30] <eamonn> Ah, ok. I thought it was just me. The code is at https://wiki.eamonnsullivan.co.uk/svn/itunes-export/trunk/ But launchpad is saying it got a "connection refused."
[10:31] <ddaa> whut?
[10:31] <eamonn> Since this is literally the computer in my bedroom the likelihood of user error is high...
[10:31] <ddaa> you registered a bzr branch right?
[10:31] <ddaa> this is a svn repo
[10:31] <eamonn> I did, but that wasn't working either. So it gave me the option to mirror CVS, subversion, etc, when I set up the trunk.
[10:31] <ddaa> to get an import from svn you need to fill the svn details in a product series, typically trunk, for your project
[10:32] <ddaa> it's "Testing"
[10:32] <ddaa> meaning that I have not yet manually operated it
[10:32] <ddaa> I have a patch in the pipe that will make launchpad explain the status better
[10:33] <ddaa> on the other hand, the branch your created https://launchpad.net/~eamonn-sullivan/+branch/itunes-export/trunk is useless
[10:33] <ddaa> you should move it to the "obsolete-junk" product
[10:33] <eamonn> will do. And then what should I do?
[10:34] <ddaa> wait for the import to get done, if it fails for some reason, I will let you know
[10:34] <ddaa> the status of the product series will change to "Test Failed" if there is a problem.
[10:34] <eamonn> thanks. Trunk moved to obsolete-junk.
[10:36] <ddaa> eamonn: you should also clear the bzr branch link in https://launchpad.net/itunes-export/trunk
[10:37] <eamonn> ddaa, done. Thanks for the help!
[10:38] <ddaa> eamonn: sorry for the delay
[11:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83488 in malone "Implicitly unsubscribe bug contact when bug is Rejected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83488
[11:43] <ddaa> eamonn: okay, your import was tested good. I set it up to run in production asap.
[11:44] <ddaa> the import system is doing a batch of updates at the moment, so it may take some time before it gets processed, but it should be online tomorrow.
[11:45] <ddaa> eamonn: the import will be updated every 24h, if you want a more frequent sync, just ask me.


[00:17] <rick_h> party party
[11:25] <rick_h> morning
[14:48] <rick_h> party party
[21:00] <rick_h> yay back home


[13:39]  * FlipStonE is away, i'm off... [l/on][p/off]
[13:40]  * FlipStonE is back, i'm off..., gone 58s
[14:56] <JanC> FlipStonE: geen away-berichtjes aub  ☺


[03:14] <mcc> Hi... I don't know whether to ask about this in here or in #ubuntu... but... I installed ubuntu on my spare partition a few weeks back... I tried it out, it sorta worked... i rebooted into Windows... and now i can't boot back into ubuntu
[03:14] <mcc> I had a grub, now it's gone
[03:15] <mcc> or well it doesn't seem to boot anymore
[03:15] <mcc> i am running a windows 8 software called Visual BCD and i think i am in over my head
[03:52] <valorie> !grub | mcc
[03:52] <valorie> just running grub-repair in the command line might fix it
[03:55] <mcc> cool
[09:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:22] <MoonUnit`> morning
[09:22] <lordievader> Hey MoonUnit`
[09:23] <MoonUnit`> think i've sorted my logoff/shutdown problem.
[09:23] <MoonUnit`> ksmserver: Client  "/usr/bin/hotot-qt"  ( 10d9e9d775000142934056900000244580013 ) canceled shutdown.
[09:23] <MoonUnit`> changed to the gtk version now
[10:13] <chat> hi, supporting for Kubuntu 15.04?
[10:31] <lordievader> chat: Support for 15.04 is in #ubuntu+1
[10:34] <chat> thnx
[11:58] <MoonUnit`> hmm thought something was broke after yesterdays reinstall, might be wrong.
[11:58] <MoonUnit`> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346316
[11:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:58] <MoonUnit`> hi BluesKaj
[11:58] <BluesKaj> Hi MoonUnit`
[12:01] <MoonUnit`> BluesKaj: found out it was a program stopping logout and shutdown, didn't need to reinstall yesterday :-/
[12:01] <MoonUnit`> ksmserver: Client  "/usr/bin/hotot-qt"  ( 10d9e9d775000142934056900000244580013 ) canceled shutdown.
[12:01] <lordievader> Hehe, how fun.
[12:01] <lordievader> qt-mpc is another who cancels logout/shutdown...
[12:02] <BluesKaj> MoonUnit`, cool , glad you found it :)
[12:02] <MoonUnit`> changed to the gtk version :)
[12:09] <BluesKaj> still can't figure out why some Qt4 apps like dolphin don't use the plasma 5 colour settings in system settings/systemsettings5, According to the devs the plasma 4 apps should integrate their settings with plasma 5, but dolphin doesn't here. it's still that default plasma  4 off brown colour when it should be marble (blue)
[14:05] <darthanubis> Thank goodness my dolphin is not broken like that
[15:17] <excalibr> https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-27106
[15:17] <excalibr> which version of libqt 15.04 has?
[15:18] <excalibr> libqt5*
[16:01] <ubuntu_> когда все приложения переведут на новые кеды, а то дельфин то новый то старый и так все приложения
[16:04] <MoonUnit`> http://developer.kde.org/~cfeck/portingstatus.html
[16:04] <ubuntu_>  спасибо
[16:40] <Aristide> Hello :)
[16:40] <Aristide> I want to install all possible KF5 application (Eg : Konqueror5, Dolphin5 ...)
[16:40] <jp_hranice> Hallo. I miss persistence test in LiveSesion TestCase on Testing Tracker. What is wrong?
[16:40] <Aristide> I'm under Kubuntu vivid, do you have a repository for that ?
[16:41] <jp_hranice> Aristide: no experience
[16:41] <Aristide> Ok :)
[16:41] <Aristide> No problems :D
[16:42] <Aristide> i'm googling again for try to find a solution on Internet
[16:46] <MoonUnit`> many apps are still using kde 4 libs http://developer.kde.org/~cfeck/portingstatus.html
[17:21] <NeuhNeuh> Hello (again ^^)
[17:21] <NeuhNeuh> I repeat my problem :
[17:21] <NeuhNeuh> I want to install all possible KF5 application (Eg : Konqueror5, Dolphin5 ...) I use Kubuntu vivid, but lot of app are stay in 4.x
[17:51] <excalibr> MoonUnit`, not so familiar with KDE, are those listing also include 3party apps or only  apps officially made/maintained by KDE?
[17:52] <MoonUnit`> includes 3rd party i believe.
[18:57] <arulmagi> hi Everyone
[20:04] <mcc> Hello, my Kubuntu I installed no longer boots, my grub has somehow disappeared, I am trying to follow instructions someone in here passed me last night, I am hitting this barrier: http://i.imgur.com/6wSAQDS.jpg
[20:04] <mcc> It seems to be saying I cannot install grub because I do not have a /boot partition, but I am confused, the original installer did not make a /boot partition. if /boot is needed why didn't the original installer make one?
[22:01] <lordievader> mcc: You need to point the --boot-directory options to your boot directory.
[22:01] <lordievader> I suppose you are not chrooted in?
[22:03] <mcc> i am not chrooted in.
[22:03] <mcc> okay. let me start over.
[22:03] <mcc> i do not have a boot partition. rather, i am using UEFI, and I am booting off of something called shimx64.efi/grubx64.efi on my EFI partition.
[22:04] <mcc> However, my EFI partition ran into some kind of problem where it was partially corrupted? I ran a program called dosfsck on it and it deleted the "ubuntu" directory.
[22:04] <mcc> So now I need to somehow install Grub/shimx64.efi onto my efi partition. I am on a kubuntu liveCD. The instructions I am finding on the Ubuntu website are specific to pre-UEFI systems and contain ereferences to things like the "separate boot partition", which I don't have.
[22:06] <lordievader> I have no experience with uefi I'm afraid.
[22:10] <mcc> *nods* thanks.
[22:21] <holounix> hello
[23:33] <manots> ?
[23:35] <dougl> manots,
[23:35] <manots> yea?
[23:35] <dougl> ?
[23:41] <dougl> manots> ?
[23:42] <dougl> thot I missed a question
[23:42] <manots> its fine


[06:48] <Cyric> hey guys.. someone has issue for changing mac address in ub14.04
[06:48] <Cyric> mac on wlan0 interface
[06:48] <Cyric> it automatically restore the old one


[12:02] <laceylaney> HI Guys.. Is it possible to make an xresources colourscheme work with tty ??
[12:33] <ddoobb> Hey guys I'm on 18.04 and I just found out that my system does not have LibreOffice Impress, it only has Writer, Calc, and Math. Is this expected, and how can I get LibreOffice Impress without undoing the LTS-ness of my LibreOffice install
[12:43] <brainwash> ddoobb: you just install it I guess
[12:43] <brainwash> not sure how that would affect the "LTS-ness"
[12:43] <laceylaney> You could "sudo apt-get install libreoffice"
[12:44] <laceylaney> Wouldn't affect anything really....
[12:44] <laceylaney> Would just install missing libreoffice items.
[12:46] <brainwash> laceylaney: your colorscheme question is vague and probably better asked in ##linux or #ubuntu
[12:47] <laceylaney> ok thanks for the heads up ^^*
[12:47] <laceylaney> I actually put a post on ubuntuforums
[22:50] <Metrol> Was wondering if anyone has had an issue with the nvidia driver on xubunut not shutting the monitors all the way down after they should time out?
[22:50] <Metrol> Oh lord, Xubuntu
[22:51] <Metrol> Of all the things to spell wrong in here
[23:11] <Metrol> I guess this isn't a good time to pop around for tech support


[02:47] <rbelem> ScottK, awesome \o/
[02:48]  * rbelem goes to update kubuntu-active-default-settings
[05:00] <apachelogger> yofel: about the locale stuff... I wrote a patch for startkde some time ago that tries to extrapolate a sensible KDE default locale setting from the actual language setting
[05:01] <apachelogger> de_DE would be germany, de_AT would be austria and so on
[05:04] <apachelogger> rbelem: I was wondering where it is, not whether it is production ready :P
[05:05] <apachelogger> anyone around still?
[05:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: We got our first kubuntu-active image today.
[05:11] <ScottK> (just i386 until we get the machinery working, but a start)
[05:12] <apachelogger> so I have seen, good stuff
[05:12]  * apachelogger is going to roll it onto the intel thing when he finds the time
[05:13] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[05:14] <apachelogger> that page is massive
[05:14] <apachelogger> and yet fails to address my case
[05:14] <apachelogger> <3
[05:15] <apachelogger> again no jon the tacko :(
[05:15]  * apachelogger reports bug
[05:17]  * apachelogger wonders how to update the cache from inside muon software center
[05:24] <apachelogger> dantti: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/29/plasma-desktopLB2858.png
[05:24] <apachelogger> I think I broke something
[05:25] <dantti> apachelogger:  :P
[05:25] <dantti> apachelogger: hmm did you changed the code?
[05:25] <apachelogger> nope
[05:25] <apachelogger> just installed my pkg
[05:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: What's your case?
[05:26] <apachelogger> it works with auto-setup stuff from cups, so I do have drivers installed
[05:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: me wanting to change plymouth theme
[05:26] <apachelogger> and ksplash
[05:26] <ScottK> Easy enough.  UIFe
[05:26] <apachelogger> so my course of action will be: file bug annoy people and go
[05:27] <apachelogger> perhaps I should try the nokia approach to make it processed super fast... assign as many flipping managers as possible ^^
[05:28] <apachelogger> dantti: only commit I do not have in that pkg should be 'Workaround problem with plasmoid.status for hidding the tray icon'
[05:28] <apachelogger> unless I just installed the wrong snapshot
[05:28] <apachelogger> nope, right snapshot
[05:28]  * apachelogger should totally report about this on the ml
[05:28] <dantti> apachelogger: ok, I'll check the code again...
[05:29] <apachelogger> makes snapshot packages much easier to handle
[05:29] <dantti> apachelogger: ok it's broken I think I forgot to connect some signals :P
[05:30] <dantti> thanks for the heads up ;)
[05:30] <apachelogger> didn't some software at some point mean to detect signal issues at buildtime
[05:30] <apachelogger> qtcreator probably
[05:34] <apachelogger> oh, I can't even freeze except yet as I am still waiting for info from nixternal
[05:34] <apachelogger> meh
[05:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: or do you think it will be granted without the actual production code?
[05:35] <ScottK> Possibly
[05:35]  * apachelogger is not quite sure what the 4 bit per pixel stuff is supposed to achieve other than making the splash broken
[05:35] <ScottK> Depends on how likely I think the change it to annoy Riddell.
[05:36] <apachelogger> he acked it already 2 weeks ago
[05:36] <ScottK> Oh, then the paperwork is just a formality.  He can approve it.
[05:37] <apachelogger> nice
[05:37] <apachelogger> now if only nixternal would answer my aseigo-style mails :P
[05:37] <apachelogger> incidentially enough we still need to decide what background image to use
[05:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: what is your opinion this: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kde-base-artwork/ksplashx-themes/default/800x600/background.png or proper ariya or find out why upstream used that gradient thing?
[05:39] <ScottK> I think I spend more time looking at Konsole than any other KDE thing and I'm not well qualified to have an opinion on such stuff.
[05:39]  * apachelogger notes that he finds the gradient for a splash much nicer, but it screws with a streamlined login experience as it would be gradient in plymouth  -> ariya in kdm -> gradient in ksplash -> ariya in plasma
[05:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: that does not help :P
[05:40] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/bootriya.ogv
[05:40] <apachelogger> that is ariya only
[05:41] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/20120110_002.mp4 that other thing
[05:44] <apachelogger> ohm
[05:44] <apachelogger> dantti: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/29/plasma-desktopXk2858.png
[05:44] <apachelogger> dantti: I think you broke my cups :P
[05:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: I like the traditional startup thingy with that pretends like it's showning you progress of system startup.
[05:45] <dantti> apachelogger: :P seems like cupsd is not running ..
[05:45] <apachelogger> what our theme needs is a cirucular busy indicator
[05:45] <dantti> weird never saw that...
[05:46] <apachelogger> that dot thing is utter crap IMHO
[05:46] <apachelogger> it moves like a progresss bar
[05:46] <apachelogger> except it is not
[05:46] <apachelogger> I have had people ask me whether something is wrong with that thing highlighting dots in rounds + slow startup
[05:47] <apachelogger> (actually if something is broken that is how plymouth will behave in quite a few cases ;))
[05:47] <apachelogger> e.g. kdm not starting IIRC
[05:47] <apachelogger> dantti: can't reproduce it though
[05:47] <apachelogger> dantti: also what it says there is not useful :P
[05:48] <dantti> apachelogger: it's the cups response..
[05:48] <apachelogger> that is still not useful :P
[05:49] <apachelogger> really can't reproduce it, that is jolly odd
[05:50]  * apachelogger loves how sexxi the kcm is
[05:51] <dantti> apachelogger: thanks, hopefully I'll be able to put the same love on others kcms...
[05:51] <dantti> SS is really needing love... :P
[05:51] <apachelogger> needed all over the place
[05:52] <dantti> heheh
[05:52] <apachelogger> the system pref button is oddly placed though
[05:53] <apachelogger> visually it appears to belong to the printer really
[05:53] <dantti> yes, I haven't find a good place for it...
[05:54]  * apachelogger wonders what to do about l10n
[05:54] <dantti> maybe I should add a configure buttom bellow "Open queue", and let the current Configure became configure Server...
[05:54] <apachelogger> not server please
[05:55] <apachelogger> people need not know that printing is down by a server/daemon ;)
[05:55] <dantti> apachelogger: btw did you saw I changed the supply levels stuff?
[05:56] <dantti> apachelogger: forgot to post on my blog... http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-plasma-desktopo19879
[05:56] <apachelogger> no, cause I cannot add my printer :P
[05:56]  * apachelogger uses the power of plug'n'print
[05:58] <apachelogger> bug 377220 made me smile today ^^
[05:58] <dantti> apachelogger: ok found the bug :P
[05:58] <apachelogger> classic let's close and hope no one notices move
[05:58]  * apachelogger knows cuz he pulled it plenty of times too :P
[06:00] <dantti> hehe..
[06:01] <dantti> it was introduced with the mass rework of the internals
[06:03] <dantti> apachelogger: ok fix pushed,
[06:04] <dantti> it's 3am now, (I was watching a movie...) so gnight...
[06:05] <apachelogger> nini dantti, thanks for the fix :)
[06:05] <dantti> yw
[06:06]  * dantti is off to bed
[06:09]  * apachelogger picks his nose while waiting for lunchpad
[06:14] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/29/plasma-desktopkV2858.png
[06:14] <apachelogger> win
[06:15] <apachelogger> I am building but actually I finished an estimated 12 seconds ago
[06:16] <apachelogger> dantti: packages on the way to kubuntu experimental, let's see how that works out
[10:35] <Riddell> testers testers keep testing!
[10:35]  * Riddell doing upgrade tests today
[11:33] <Riddell> agateau: are you able to tell the kde-telepathy people what needs to be done to add message indicator support?
[11:33] <agateau> Riddell: probably, need to have a look
[11:33] <agateau> Riddell: but iirc it already appears in the message indicator, just with the wrong name
[11:34] <Riddell> err really?
[11:34] <agateau> ah no
[11:34] <agateau> I thought the empathy icon was kde-telepathy, but it really is empathy :/
[11:35] <Riddell> I mean just pointing them at the libraries and plasma applet source so they can work with it (and telling them it would help keep it in kubuntu for 12.04)
[11:43] <agateau> ca ndo
[11:44] <agateau> *can do
[11:44]  * agateau off to get food
[12:18] <Peace-> do you know how to load kde open dialo with gtk apps?
[13:03] <Riddell> yofel: topicdiff?
[13:04] <yofel> typo: neede -> needed
[13:41] <ghostcube> hello folks :)
[13:42] <ghostcube> will 12.04 be lts ?
[13:42] <Riddell> yes
[13:42] <ghostcube> ok  thx for the info :)
[13:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:29] <Mamarok> Why is Aknadi not in the systemsettings anymore? It's a bit complicated to configure it through the tray, and not easy to discover
[14:30] <Mamarok> is this a KDE problem or specific to Kubuntu?
[14:31] <Mamarok> nvm, found it, but that is really a discoverability problem
[14:32] <Riddell> akonadi isn't really something users should be aware of, so it's probably a change by upstream
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  wish there was an option to exclude it during the install process
[14:36] <Riddell> it's a fundemental part of KDE
[14:41] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  perhaps a "home user" edition could be developed with optional kde fundamentals :)
[14:46] <apachelogger> anyone understands the last comment of bug 377220
[14:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: he's pointing out that splashscreens need to be trivial
[14:47] <Riddell> if anything complex is in a splashscreen then it takes as long to load the splash screen as it does the app
[14:48] <Riddell> which is what happened in KDE 3 with ksplash
[14:49] <apachelogger> right
[14:49] <apachelogger> now read comment 2 and 3 and 5
[14:50] <Riddell> yes alternatives could work
[14:50] <Riddell> so maybe he didn't read that idea
[14:50] <apachelogger> so I do not get how his comment asks my question
[14:50] <Riddell> of course my preferred solution would be to wait for calligra then switch to calligra
[14:50] <apachelogger> that is the proper solution
[14:51] <apachelogger> however in the meantime we need a workaround ;)
[14:51] <Tm_T> Mamarok: the reason why akonadi configuration is hidden is because it isn't meant to need any configuration
[14:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: best to make patches for the packaging and reopen the bug
[14:52] <apachelogger> that is the plan, then write angry mails about kubuntu bugs not being taken serious enough
[14:52]  * apachelogger really needs to go do groceries though
[14:52] <Peace-> Tm_T: i hate akonadi i would like remove it
[14:53] <Tm_T> Peace-: then do remove
[14:53] <Tm_T> I have no need to hate it at this point (:
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  don't unless you want the kubuntu-desktop to be removed as well
[14:53] <Peace-> nepo and akonadi the most hated apps on kubuntu xD
[14:54] <Peace-> BluesKaj: kubuntu-desktop it's metapackage so i guess there is no problem
[14:54] <apachelogger> there is
[14:54] <apachelogger> its presence is a requirement for a kubuntu upgrade
[14:55] <Peace-> Tm_T: :) removing akonadi mmmm remove kde :D
[14:55] <apachelogger> (e.g. you might not get a new print managing system, or ppa upgrades might fail)
[14:55] <Peace-> he following packages will be REMOVED:
[14:55] <Peace->   akonadi-server akregator apport-kde apturl-kde blogilo braindump calligra calligra-dev   calligra-libs calligra-map-shape calligraflow calligramobile calligraplan calligrastage bal balbal
[14:56] <Tm_T> Peace-: I am aware, now you're aware too how important it is (;
[14:56] <Peace-> but i hate it xD
[14:56]  * Peace- call me War
[14:57] <apachelogger> surely there is a dep wron
[14:57] <apachelogger> g
[14:57] <Peace-> ?
[14:59] <apachelogger> well
[14:59] <apachelogger> what package did you remove?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> Peace-, yes I my mistake I should have said most of kde
[15:06] <BluesKaj> Tm_T,  that's the problem , akonadi and nepomuk aren't important to home users and they're a drag on the resources of older pcs
[15:07] <apachelogger> mail is not important to home users?!
[15:10] <BluesKaj> apachelogger,  not kmail, as it stands there's thunderbird , gmail etc
[15:11] <BluesKaj> kmail doesn't work with my ISP email
[15:11] <debfx> BluesKaj: at least in precise akonadi isn't started if you don't use it
[15:13] <BluesKaj> debfx,  I had to disable akonadi after trying to set up kmail which failed due akonadi's inability to connect tom my ISP's email server
[15:17] <debfx> BluesKaj: what I'm saying is that there is no need to remove akonadi. you can avoid it by not starting any kde pim application.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> debfx,  agreed , but I'm expanibg why kmail and akondi aren't necesary for home users ...kmail used to be a decent email program til the decision to tie it to akonadi and a databse requirement  in kde4 .. I miss the old kamil from kde3
[15:20] <BluesKaj> kmail from kde3
[15:31] <Peace-> apachelogger: akonadi-server
[15:31] <Peace-> i use gmail
[15:31] <Peace-> browser :)
[18:01] <sheytan> agateu: is there any repo for 11.04 with the newest lightdm-kde?
[18:02] <Riddell> kubuntu active works but loads plasma-desktop :)
[18:02] <KRF> Riddell: yo. this commit should make your CMake hacks in downstream redundant: http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=amarok.git&a=commit&h=7b72c3bdc7964aa32be8c94e4d18304be8b3b0c8
[18:02] <Riddell> rbelem: have you got anywhere with a startup script?
[18:03] <Riddell> KRF: oh nice, thanks
[18:04] <KRF> yw
[18:14] <bambee_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sco6mBTK9MI :D
[18:14] <Riddell> what is it bambee_ ?
[18:15] <bambee_> a super mario bros remix with chuck norris :D
[18:15] <Riddell> who is he?
[18:15] <bambee_> :O
[18:15] <Riddell> I just know him as an internet meme
[18:16] <bambee_> you don't know chuck norris ? do you know walker texas ranger ? delta force ?
[18:17] <Riddell> nope
[18:17] <yofel> bambee_: britain has Mr. Bean, they do not need chuck norris :P
[18:17] <Riddell> this must all be French culture I'm unfamiliar with :)
[18:17] <bambee_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris  <--- there is a rumor on the internet and in the world that chuck norris is immortal
[18:17] <bambee_> (see his movies, and you will understand why)
[18:18] <bambee_> Riddell: chuck norris is american :)
[18:20] <KRF> Riddell: hey there, do you live behind the moon?
[18:22] <Riddell> KRF: umm, depends on what angle you're looking at me from I guess
[18:23] <Riddell> would I know any of his films?
[18:30] <bambee_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvmEZiIX3Yg&feature=related :D
[18:35] <Riddell> rbelem: installing startactive and running that script doesn't do much
[18:35] <Riddell> I just get a blank screen and maybe a wallpaper eventually
[18:35] <Riddell> it doesn't start plasma-device
[18:38] <Riddell> rbelem: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/startactive-test.log
[18:41]  * Riddell reports bug 943478
[21:01] <rbelem> Riddell, i will be in home in one hour
[23:25] <rbelem> Riddell, one hour more :-(
[23:27] <rbelem> Riddell, did you upload the startactive and the new kde-active-artwork?


[07:19] <yaron-heb> Hey Guys!
[07:19] <yaron-heb> I need some help with Software Center
[07:19] <yaron-heb> I can't determine the usage of the string: Top Rated %s
[07:19] <yaron-heb> Anyone familiar?
[07:29] <head_victim> I'm not certain but it sounds like the highest rated software?
[07:29] <yaron-heb> I think we are talking about a category
[07:30] <head_victim> Where %s is either a number of software (eg top 10 or top 20) or it could be category, eg top rated games or top rated internet programs
[07:30] <yaron-heb> I was thinking about the category option... In Hebrew it matters
[07:31] <head_victim> Ah sorry, I'd suggest confirming it on the mailing list if no one else is able to tell you for certain
[07:31] <yaron-heb> Already did, two weeks ago ☺
[07:32] <head_victim> Can you link me to the string? I'll try to compare it to my language (we're english based)
[07:34] <yaron-heb> Of course, just a sec
[07:35] <geirha> When you choose the Games category, there'll be a section titled "Top Rated Games". Probably that one.
[07:35] <head_victim> geirha: that's what I was thinking but wasn't 100%
[07:37] <geirha> Looking at the code, it does appear to be it.
[07:47] <yaron-heb> Great, thank you!
[09:02] <dpm> yaron-heb, I think I filed a bug about it, just a sec...
[09:04] <dpm> yaron-heb, bug 868971
[09:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 868971 in software-center (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) ""Top Rated %s" string needs a translator comment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868971
[09:04] <dpm> the %s means 'category'
[09:04] <yaron-heb> dpm: Thanks! This is exactly how I translated it...
[09:04] <dpm> excellent :)
[10:55] <Jessica_Lily> Hey dpm you heard anything else about na'vi?
[15:59] <dpm> head_victim, around?
[16:20] <andrejz> hello dpm! just wanted to let you know I am very busy (working abroad) so I am not much on IRC but I am reachable and responsive via email
[16:23] <dpm> hi andrejz, thanks for letting me know. How's life? Did you get a job abroad?
[16:24] <andrejz> it's temporary (visitor reasearcher) - about 6 months
[16:25] <dpm> nice, and where are you based now?
[16:25] <andrejz> near Helsinki
[16:31] <dpm> oh cool
[16:31] <dpm> and cold :)
[16:32] <andrejz> I prefer cold to hot (as long as it's not below -25°C)
[17:10] <dpm> :)


[00:13] <nacc_> Pharaoh_Atem: i found an open bug about it, i think
[00:13] <nacc_> slangasek: sorry, was working through my backlog, will look at that now
[00:19] <Pharaoh_Atem> nacc_: oh?
[00:19] <nacc_> slangasek: right and then we'll need to fix php-imagick :) which i have a diff for but am still working w/ debian on ... i'll test now with that patch backported and update the bug
[00:20] <nacc_> Pharaoh_Atem: yeah ... php-general post, actually
[00:20] <nacc_> Pharaoh_Atem: http://grokbase.com/t/php/php-general/15bgdvqds0/any-roadmap-for-php-with-pcre2-version-support
[00:20] <nacc_> Pharaoh_Atem: but it will require "porting" as I don't think they are API compatible
[02:48] <smoser> anyone able to help.
[02:48] <smoser> having an issue with tox and setuptools on xenial
[02:48] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15249068/
[02:48] <smoser> the same thing works fine on trusty
[02:54] <smoser> hm..
[02:55] <smoser> well sort of good news. only fails on my development environment. not in a fresh container
[03:00] <nacc_> slangasek: php-imagick is at least running the tests now, trying to get it to pass them, then will post debdiff
[03:07] <smoser> wonder what could have done that .
[04:16] <smoser> bah. thank you for fixing my problem before i came upon it barry.
[04:16] <smoser> python-virtualenv: d/patches/use-wheels.patch: Also install _markerlib in the virtual environment.
[05:02] <sarnold> infinity: 1551522 is yet-another-dpkg "already installed and configured" bug, but the logs show some ~40 packages with this error -- I point this one out because I'm hopelessly naive and wonder if _this_ is the bug report that will explain all the others :)
[05:38] <infinity> sarnold: If you see anything attempting to configure more than once in the log, it's an apt bug, not a dpkg bug.  And some day, maybe we'll figure out how to unwind it.  It's Hard(tm).
[05:39] <sarnold> infinity: hmm does that mean the thousand-odd dpkg bugs on this should be retargeted? :) (not volunteering to do it :)
[05:39] <infinity> sarnold: Probably, yes.
[05:40] <infinity> sarnold: I suppose one could consider a dpkg workaround, where it ignores requests to configure already-configured packages, but the bug is definitely that apt is asking it to do that when it shouldn't.
[05:40] <sarnold> that might be a good idea even if it is somewhat unsatisfying
[05:43] <infinity> sarnold: Yeah, I'm trying to decide if that would potentially break anything.
[05:43] <sarnold> if only we had some kind of reproducer that we could test with .. :)
[05:43]  * sarnold wishful thinks his way to dinner
[05:43] <infinity> sarnold: Should certainly not be silent, at any rate, you still want to know that your higher level package manager is being stupid, but perhaps turning the error into a warning with a 0 exit code would be acceptable.
[05:44] <sarnold> infinity: *nod* agreed on both counts
[05:44] <sarnold> thanks infinity :) have a good night
[05:46] <infinity> sarnold: If you can ever create a rootfs with an actual reproducer for the apt issue, I'd love to see it.  I've literally never seen this in wild, nor been able to reproduce it locally.   It apparently calculated the transaction while the other transaction (the apt install) was still ongoing.
[06:02] <juliank> So, it saw those packages as unconfigured at that point and thus scheduled configure calls
[06:07] <infinity> juliank: Feel free to reassign if you understand it.  I *think* we've seen logs with just pure apt tripping on the same thing too (ie: in N dpkg runs, where N > 1, apt seems to sometimes try to --configure something it already configured in a previous run)
[06:09] <pitti> Good morning
[06:19] <cpaelzer> good Morning
[06:31] <pitti> infinity: what's the usual  buildd timeout? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/1.13.2-0ubuntu21 ppc64el and s390x have been building for 15 hours and did not make any progress
[06:32] <pitti> I already cancelled a stuck s390x yesterday and restarted it, but it got stuck at the same place again
[06:42] <pitti> ppc64el is stuck at 'dpkg-buildpackage: binary-only upload (no source included)', hmm
[06:42]  * pitti cancels them
[07:24] <infinity> pitti: It's got a hung dbus from the failed testsuite that hasn't cleaned up.  I'll just kill it so the build can fail gracefully.
[07:25] <pitti> infinity: ah thanks, ppc64el built now
[07:26] <pitti> s390x still failed, but is also hung
[07:26] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, that's the one I cleaned up just now.
[07:26] <infinity> pitti: Good thing the s390x maintainer also happens to be an upstart hacker. :P
[07:26] <infinity> xnox: ^
[07:26] <pitti> ah, so ppc64 built by itself this time
[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[08:44] <cpaelzer> Hi, I didn't find an explicit statement about it in the Debian policy or on Ubuntu pages - but I guess for init scripts and such we prefer spaces before tabs right?
[08:44] <cpaelzer> because the files I have here are mixed and I want to unify it to one or the other
[09:05] <rbanffy> Good morning. What would it take to update http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/fonts/fonts-3270 to the same release as upstream (v1.2.11)?
[09:19] <seb128> hallyn, arges, jamespage, hey, you have your names on the libvirt package, do you know why we divert from Debian on binary names? like why we don't have a libvirt-daemon?
[09:20] <seb128> other packages depwait on libvirt-daemon(-system)
[09:27] <infinity> cpaelzer: There's no Debian or Ubuntu coding policy, generally you want to match the style of your upstream project.  Or, if writing init scripts from scratch, perhaps match /etc/init.d/skeleton
[09:33] <smb> seb128, because we did in the past when there was no such thing and now we did not want to change just before a stable release (libvirt)
[09:35] <seb128> smb, should we maybe have libvirt-bin to Provides the new names?
[09:35] <seb128> or we can delete the few things depwaiting in proposed, since it seems the updates are mostly Depends libvirt-bin -> libvirt-daemon
[09:35] <smb> seb128, I might add that in parallel for the next upload
[09:35] <seb128> e.g https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-boxes/3.18.1-1.1
[09:36] <seb128> smb, thanks for the replies!
[09:37] <cpaelzer> infinity: thank you the  /etc/init.d/skeleton hint will be the one I chose
[09:37] <smb> seb128, yw. Thanks for bringing it up. I guess for the transition phase it will be good to have both. Do you know whether there is already a bug report filed about it that I should refer to?
[09:38] <seb128> smb, not afaik, but I can open on if you want
[09:39] <smb> seb128, Oh I can do that myself, just in case there already were one open. Not strictly require one but given the interrupt driven workflow I better have some reminder. :)
[09:40] <seb128> right, no bug open that know about then :-)
[09:54] <tjaalton> hmm, upgraded to xenial and now can't run sudo inside schroots: "sudo: effective uid is not 0, is /usr/bin/sudo on a file system with the 'nosuid' option set or an NFS file system without root privileges?"
[10:39] <xnox> infinity, all i did last year for upstart is try to push ChromeOS & Ubuntu Touch to stop using upstart.... =)
[10:59] <xnox> infinity, would you like a glibc bug for s390x? =) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1549850
[11:06] <xnox> infinity, however probably not glibc bug
[11:48] <xnox> infinity, nope not a bug.
[12:48] <Saviq> pitti, hey, we've come upon a problem with britney - we can't locally reproduce a test failure that happens there reliably, is there a way we could get access to a node similar to what britney uses?
[12:50] <pitti> Saviq: yes, should be; which arch?
[12:50] <Saviq> pitti, amd64
[12:51] <pitti> Saviq: I can run the test manually with --shell, let it fail, and give you ssh to that instance
[12:51] <pitti> Saviq: which package/trigger?
[12:51] <Saviq> pitti, that would be great, sec
[12:51] <Saviq> pitti, the unity8 one in https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-064/excuses.html
[12:53] <pitti> Saviq: ah, so that might be hardware/mir specific?
[12:53] <Saviq> pitti, no
[12:54] <Saviq> pitti, it's all under xvfb
[12:54] <Saviq> pitti, but let's hold on, we might've just thought of a solution
[12:54]  * pitti has some difficulty finding the actual failure in the log
[12:54] <Saviq> pitti, grep for fail!
[12:55] <pitti> ah, thanks
[17:34] <smoser> pitti, if you want to review https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/trunk.lp1543025/+merge/287682
[17:34] <smoser> it seems to work for me.
[17:38] <infinity> "The copy was due to an old bug in Ubuntu" <-- revisionist history by Lennart? :P
[17:38] <infinity> (it wasn't a bug, it was intentional)
[17:40] <dobey> is there something wrong with module-init-tools in xenial (or trusty)? i keep having do-release-upgrade -d failing with a complaint that module-init-tools can't be authenticated
[17:40] <infinity> dobey: It doesn't exist.
[17:40] <infinity> Oh, it does exist still, but it's NBS and needs removing.
[17:41] <infinity> Once nothing depends on it anymore.
[17:42] <dobey> oh
[18:10] <xnox> smoser, infinity: huh?! symlink from /etc -> usr. That clearly is a good idea(tm).
[18:10] <smoser> pitti told me to do it.
[18:11] <xnox> ok
[18:11] <smoser> if thats not right i can change it.
[18:11] <xnox> pitti, do we have tzdata shipping in /lib with compat symlinks from /usr/share -> /lib ?
[18:14] <smoser> that is what timedatectl does. and also dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[18:14] <smoser> so cloud-init is not any worse than anything else.  which is always what i strive for :)
[18:15] <sarnold> :)
[18:29] <pitti> right, so this makes the localtime handling consistent
[18:29] <pitti> xnox: no, tzdata ships stuff in /usr
[18:29] <pitti> smoser: thanks
[18:30] <xnox> smoser, fair enough.
[18:30] <pitti> and more importantly, we don't overwrite tzdata's files in /usr :)
[18:31] <pitti> (which was what this bug was about originally)
[18:31] <pitti> ah, already merged
[18:32] <pitti> LGTM, I just suggested clarifying the commit mesage, but no biggie
[18:32] <pitti> xnox: systems with a separate /usr but no initrd have never really worked well, and we shouldn't claim that we support them
[18:32] <pitti> "/usr merge!" *cough*
[18:39] <Skuggen> pitti: I was wondering if you had some input about the use of deb-systemd-helper in maintainer scripts i.e. is it a bad idea?
[18:39] <pitti> Skuggen: not necessarily a bad idea, as long as you know what you are doing
[18:39] <Skuggen> I'm working on the mysql 5.7 packaging with rbasak, and we run into an issue when trying to upgrade from old 5.5 installs, since the service is masked and disabled
[18:39] <pitti> Skuggen: it's generally easier/better/more robust to use dh_installinit or dh_systemd_{enable,start}, though
[18:39] <pitti> as some operations are not at all trivial
[18:39] <Skuggen> https://github.com/ltangvald/mysql-5.7/blob/fixes/debian/mysql-server-5.7.postinst#L80
[18:40] <Skuggen> That's the problem; I don't feel I know what I'm doing. I just saw that the system would run those commands after postinst, and that they fixed the specific problem :)
[18:41] <pitti> Skuggen: e. g. dh_systemd_enable already creates unmask/was-enabled/enable code (plus the necessary bits in postrm, etc.)
[18:43] <Skuggen> pitti: But it adds it at the end?
[18:43] <pitti> Skuggen: it adds it wherever you put #DEBHELPER#
[18:44] <Skuggen> Right, which is at the end of the postinst script
[18:44] <Skuggen> (I got it from there when enabling debug output)
[19:15] <rbasak> pitti, Skuggen: essentially I don't really understand exactly what's going on there, so I'd appreciate pitti's review.
[19:15] <rbasak> If pitti thinks it looks OK then I'm happy to upload it.
[20:15] <Pharaoh_Atem> nacc_: I'm baffled by this pcre thing
[20:16] <nacc_> Pharaoh_Atem: yeah, it's ugly ... i have a good start on debugging it, but am trying to fix php-imagick still
[20:16] <Pharaoh_Atem> I'm going to go take a look at the fpm bugs for now
[20:16] <nacc_> Pharaoh_Atem: ok
[20:16] <Pharaoh_Atem> as this bug makes me want to cry
[20:24] <Pharaoh_Atem> nacc_: is there a policy for closing long standing bugs that no one has responded to?
[20:24] <Pharaoh_Atem> most of the bugs here seem to be for really old versions of php5 and ubuntu
[20:25] <sarnold> bugs in Incomplete state get closed after N days
[20:25] <sarnold> and community members tend to close the others in other states when they refer to releases that are no longer supported
[20:32] <nacc_> Pharaoh_Atem: ideally, we'll trawl those and figure out if its still reproducible with supported php5 (in precise/trusty/wily)
[20:36] <Pharaoh_Atem> sarnold: so I could go ahead and close some of these years-old "Incomplete" bugs?
[20:36] <sarnold> Pharaoh_Atem: probably :)
[20:37] <Pharaoh_Atem> what status should I set it to?
[20:37] <Pharaoh_Atem> Invalid?
[20:38] <Pharaoh_Atem> I don't see another way to close it
[20:38] <sarnold> hmm, I think that's fair, maybe wont-fix.. Inever pay too close attention to those floods of mails when they arrive :)
[20:38] <Pharaoh_Atem> there's no wontfix option, so I'll just use invalid
[20:38] <rbasak> I'd use Incomplete. Or are they Incomplete already?
[20:38] <rbasak> Especially if the bug has languished due to no developer input.
[20:39] <Pharaoh_Atem> incomplete status for four years
[20:39] <rbasak> Together with a comment explaining that you're sweeping through fpm bugs. Tends to upset people less.
[20:39] <rbasak> Incomplete status but didn't go to Expired automatically? That's odd.
[20:39] <Pharaoh_Atem> okay
[20:39] <Pharaoh_Atem> there's quite a few of those :/
[20:39] <rbasak> (also instructions on what to do to get attention if they still want it)
[20:40] <rbasak> I usually subscribe to the bug too, to catch any replies.
[20:40] <rbasak> Unfortunately some proportion of reporters still get upset by that :-/
[20:44] <Pharaoh_Atem> there's just no winning
[20:45] <Pharaoh_Atem> I'm surprised there's no just plain "closed" status
[20:47] <rbasak> We consider Fix Released, Invalid, Expired and Won't Fix to all be closed.
[20:47] <rbasak> I think it's nicer this way. You can't close without a reason.
[20:55] <barry> mterry: ping re: deja-dup
[20:55] <mterry> barry, heyo
[20:56] <barry> mterry: hi.  not sure if you still work on this package, but i'm wondering if it makes sense to treat deja-dup-backend-gvfs and gvfs-backends the same way deja is treating dpulicity and pytho-gi?
[20:58] <mterry> barry, it could, sure.  The code would be a little less generic though, to look for a specific ubuntu-specific package name (debian doesn't even hame them)
[21:02] <barry> mterry: cool.  let me see if i can figure something out.  i guess d-d-gvfs-backends doesn't do anything except pull in some dependencies when installed (it has effectively no contents)
[21:02] <mterry> barry, I was trying to be discouraging.  :)  Why would you prefer it that way?
[21:02] <mterry> barry, it's not a change that could be upstreamed
[21:03] <barry> mterry: maybe i don't ;)  i'm trying to tackle the last few py2 hold outs, but i guess it all comes down to samba-libs :(
[21:03] <mterry> barry, is deja-dup still pulling anything in?
[21:04] <barry> mterry: deja-dup-backend-gvfs and gvfs-backends afaict
[21:04] <mterry> barry, but those don't have python deps anymore, right?
[21:04] <barry> mterry: transitively they do though, through samba-libs
[21:04] <mterry> barry, ah....
[21:04] <mterry> barry, ok, I see.
[21:05] <mterry> barry, well whatever is easiest for you there.  I'd be happy to review something that uses the package names instead
[21:06] <Pharaoh_Atem> rbasak: jeez, some of these FPM issues are from Ubuntu 9.04?!
[21:06] <barry> mterry: porting samba is a big hairy mess, and upstream isn't too psyched to help afaict.  i've talked to the fedora guy, and even they are not making much progress on it.  my thinking is if i can install on demand the deja deps and system-config-printer-{common,gnome} then i can get py2 off the iso
[21:07] <mterry> barry, ok, makes sense
[21:07] <Pharaoh_Atem> barry: yeah, samba has been... thorny
[21:07] <barry> Pharaoh_Atem: hi.  indeed
[21:08] <Pharaoh_Atem> I don't know if you guys know about this, but it might come in handy for Py2->Py3 stuff: http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/
[21:08] <barry> mterry: ok thanks.  will ping if review is needed.
[21:08] <barry> Pharaoh_Atem: yep, and at some point we'll get a tracker for debian/ubuntu.  just haven't had time to put that up yet
[21:09] <Pharaoh_Atem> barry: it'd be great if it could be part of the same portingdb
[21:09] <Pharaoh_Atem> that would make the cross-distro efforts much easier
[21:09] <barry> Pharaoh_Atem: yep!  that's the plan
[21:10] <Pharaoh_Atem> barry: have you hooked up with Petr (encukou) on it?
[21:10] <barry> Pharaoh_Atem: yep, on both the portingdb and samba
[21:11] <Pharaoh_Atem> awesomeness
[21:11]  * Pharaoh_Atem likes hearing about stuff like that
[21:11] <barry> \o/
[21:11] <Pharaoh_Atem> barry: I'm a member of the Fedora Python SIG, so I like hearing about stuff like this
[21:12] <barry> Pharaoh_Atem: oh cool.  i lurk on the gmane group.  we pythonistas gotta stick together, right? :)
[21:13] <Pharaoh_Atem> indeed
[21:14] <Pharaoh_Atem> I live and breathe on IRC :)
[21:14] <Pharaoh_Atem> I've personally been shepherding a few small projects over to py3 land
[21:14] <Pharaoh_Atem> and I've recently pushed updates in Fedora for pika and mgarepo to enable py3 versions
[21:16] <Pharaoh_Atem> and it looks like Xenial already has pika updated
[21:16] <Pharaoh_Atem> woohoo
[21:27] <Pharaoh_Atem> rbasak: it looks like a patch was forgotten for php5 in precise: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/1352617
[21:31] <Pharaoh_Atem> rbasak: I think the Launchpad Janitor is broken
[21:35] <Pharaoh_Atem> rbasak: also, what do I do with these bugs reported by apport, they give me nothing useful for reproducing it :/
[21:43] <teward> oh hey that's my bug
[21:43] <teward> Pharaoh_Atem: that bug didn't have enough testers at the time of my filing to confirm the issue
[21:44] <teward> that, and nobody bothered to look at it after my filing (looks like security changes introduced regressions)
[21:45] <teward> Pharaoh_Atem: TBH I would rather forward that to the Security team for consideration first - as my comment with the attached patch said
[21:45] <teward> (it's also why I never subbed sponsors - i wanted a security team review first)
[21:47] <teward> rbasak: ^ just to keep you in the loop (re: 1352617, which was just poked up at 16:27)
[21:47] <Pharaoh_Atem> teward: I see
[21:48]  * Pharaoh_Atem is trying to just triage through the bugs so that rbasak will feel more comfortable about switching php-fpm to main
[21:48] <teward> right
[21:48] <teward> Pharaoh_Atem: though, refer to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/1334337 for the 'related' bug
[21:48] <teward> which was Saucy, Trusty, and Utopic
[21:49] <teward> it's the same regression, I believe, though I didn't poke the patch any further because Precise went out of my radar
[21:49] <teward> Pretty certain that one doesn't exist anymore
[21:49] <teward> in any php*-fpm
[21:50] <Pharaoh_Atem> yeah, it's not a problem in trusty, vivid, wily, and xenial from my checking
[21:54] <teward> Pharaoh_Atem: it's not, pretty certain it's an extended case of that regression as documented in 1334337 - esp. given mdeslaur's comments on the irc logs on that bug
[21:54] <teward> Pharaoh_Atem: it'd be wonderful if I had the ability to approve the Precise nomination on that bug
[21:54] <teward> because then we can actually mark it as affecting *precise* :P
[21:54] <Pharaoh_Atem> I have zero powers here
[21:55] <teward> right
[21:55] <Pharaoh_Atem> afaik, only rbasak can do anything of value
[21:55] <teward> :P
[21:55] <Pharaoh_Atem> all I'm doing is trying to win him over so that I can have php7.0-fpm in main
[21:55] <teward> yep :)
[21:55] <teward> Pharaoh_Atem: well, you can confirm with me especially that 1352617 is not going to impact the MIR
[21:55] <teward> :)
[21:55] <Pharaoh_Atem> frankly, I don't expect any of these bugs to really apply to php7.0-fpm, because the internals were completely rewritten
[21:57] <Pharaoh_Atem> the internal codebase for php7.0 is wildly different from php5, so the bugs for php5 don't actually apply to php7
[21:57] <Pharaoh_Atem> unless they are distro specific config things
[21:58] <nacc_> slangasek: question about php-imagick for you ... i think debian (and we) will want to undo the change to move to phpunit (it's a divergence from upstream and doesn't really work). But the run-tests.php script that was used before isn't packaged. WOuld it make sense to package it? Or should I do a temporary build in debian/tests/control just to get the script ?
[21:58] <Pharaoh_Atem> basically all the bugs I see here don't apply to php7.0 in its entirety
[22:29] <rbasak> Pharaoh_Atem: for main inclusion of fpm, that would only affect Xenial onwards. I only want the bugs resolved for Xenial. If the conclusion is that they don't affect php7.0, then that's resolved for Xenial in my book.
[22:30] <rbasak> Pharaoh_Atem: but we should sort out the bug statuses accordingly, so that everybody understands what we think of each bug and has the opportunity to tell us otherwise.
[22:31] <rbasak> I'm not suggesting that we mass close bugs, but actually consider each on their own merits.
[22:31] <rbasak> If we have reason to believe that a bug probably doesn't affect Xenial, then we can explain that in a comment and mark Incomplete (or Fix Released or Invalid as appropriate).
[22:36] <barry> mterry: LP: #1551989
[22:37] <mterry> barry, noted.  Will look tomorrow
[22:37] <barry> mterry: thanks!
[22:41] <Pharaoh_Atem> rbasak: I have not yet seen a bug that affects php7.0/Xenial
[22:41] <Pharaoh_Atem> given that it's in a separate package name, wouldn't it be obvious they don't carry over to php7.0?
[22:43] <Pharaoh_Atem> brb
[22:44] <Pharaoh_Atem> rebooting
[22:50] <Pharaoh_Atem> back
[23:16] <mwhudson> hm, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda looks a little out of date
[23:16] <mwhudson> are the next meetings going to be 2016-03-14Z15:00 and 2016-03-28Z19:00 ?
[23:18] <mwhudson> 2016-03-28 is easter monday but i don't know if that matters
[23:21] <sarnold> mwhudson: given that five of the seven members have terms expire before the next meeting, it may be moot :) https://launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+members
[23:22] <mwhudson> sarnold: i see https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members is similarly humourous
[23:22] <sarnold> mwhudson: hehe


[00:31] <mikeputnam> h00k: did you pitch the Ubuntu Hour / Global Jam to them (NEWLUG) yet?
[00:31] <h00k> mikeputnam: indeed
[00:32] <h00k> mikeputnam: pretty sure, we had someone drop in
[00:32] <h00k> mikeputnam: perhaps bigbash
[00:32] <bigbash> that would be me
[00:32] <h00k> OH HI
[00:33] <h00k> bigbash: are you in the Hangout right now?
[00:34] <bigbash> hi, i just happened to check irc right now
[00:34] <h00k> bigbash: hi :)
[00:35] <bigbash> i stay signed in via znc
[00:36] <bigbash> newlug actually had a meeting tonight but i missed it
[00:36] <h00k> it's still happening
[00:36] <bigbash> ah you in it?
[00:36] <h00k> YEah
[00:37] <mikeputnam> bigbash: hit Google+ and find us!
[00:39] <bigbash> ok
[00:40] <bigbash> my audio doesnt work
[00:40] <bigbash> bjt my video does
[00:47] <bigbash> ok on
[00:47] <h00k> hi :)
[00:52] <bigbash> bye
[00:57] <h00k> The wife was wanting to Hangout ;)
[01:23] <mikeputnam> bigbash: are you Shawn McGuire?
[01:23] <bigbash> I am
[01:24] <mikeputnam> Hi there
[01:24] <bigbash> hello
[01:28] <mikeputnam> I work in Neenah
[01:29] <bigbash> cool, as programmer?
[01:29] <bigbash> I'm working in Appleton
[01:29] <mikeputnam> yeah. Oracle/PeopleSoft
[01:29] <mikeputnam> Ross here is erm "verbose".
[01:30] <mikeputnam> lol
[01:30] <mikeputnam> I live in Appleton
[01:30] <bigbash> lol
[01:30] <mikeputnam> we are polar opposites
[01:31] <bigbash> Not a fan of the construction going/or will be going on
[01:31] <bigbash> I was driving from Oshkosh to Appleton for a while
[01:32] <mikeputnam> yeah. the commute gets a little tense in construction
[01:32] <mikeputnam> blech.  25 minutes?
[01:32] <bigbash> yea a lot longer in the winter
[01:32] <mikeputnam> i did manitowoc to Neenah for 6 months
[01:32] <mikeputnam> terrible
[01:32] <bigbash> wow that's rough
[01:33] <mikeputnam> 17 minutes door-to-door now
[01:34] <bigbash> nice, that's about the same here, we used to be at the far end of Wisconsin ave so all the lights would slow me down but we move to the old Wave building now
[01:34] <mikeputnam> nice.  right off the exit
[01:35] <bigbash> yup
[01:35] <mikeputnam> Do you code too?
[01:35] <mikeputnam> for work
[01:35] <mikeputnam> obviously you do on github
[01:36] <bigbash> umm a little bit, at work we are MS so I do C#
[01:37] <bigbash> right now it's mostly scraping stuff from terminal emulation
[01:37] <mikeputnam> Java-esque!
[01:37] <bigbash> I really want to learn Java and I've been trying to find time
[01:38] <mikeputnam> It can be somewhat verbose, but ut's very capable.
[01:38] <mikeputnam> *it's
[01:38] <bigbash> I don't mind that
[01:39] <mikeputnam> python is <3
[01:40] <bigbash> How do you take control of applications?  Like right now I take control of Attachmate application
[01:41] <mikeputnam> I don't follow
[01:43] <bigbash> like right now I'd include a reference dll file, and do something like "using Extra;"
[01:44] <mikeputnam> hmm
[01:44] <mikeputnam> you mean in Java?
[01:44] <bigbash> then Extra.ExtraScreen _xtraScreen = new ExtraScreen(); and then I can call _xtraScreen.SomeFunction
[01:44] <mikeputnam> that sounds somewhat like Java's   import
[01:44] <bigbash> in either Java or Python
[01:45] <mikeputnam> Foo foobar = new Foo();
[01:45] <mikeputnam> in java
[01:45] <mikeputnam> python is different
[01:45] <bigbash> hmm then just use import for the reference file?
[01:47] <bigbash> does it matter if the application is Windows only?
[01:48] <bigbash> I'm actually looking at switch software to a Java based one
[01:57] <bigbash> ok I gotta run
[01:57] <EgyParadox> you want to switch to Java since it works on any platform?
[01:57] <bigbash> Yes
[01:57] <bigbash> short answer
[01:58] <bigbash> I'll be back on later though
[01:59] <mikeputnam> bye bye
[02:08] <h00k> I'm writing up a post about my VPS hosting provider.
[02:08] <h00k> I'm pretty angry.
[02:28] <bigbash> h00k who is your VPS provider?
[02:43] <h00k> thrust::vps
[02:44] <h00k> http://anthonyrhook.com/blog/2011/08/11/how-to-dos-me-from-my-own-vps/
[02:48] <bigbash> wow priority low?
[02:49] <h00k> yep.
[02:50] <bigbash> I'm curious to see what they come back with
[02:51] <h00k> Me too.
[02:51] <h00k> why the hell would you do that.
[02:51] <h00k> That's just...bah.


[01:59] <Zoohouse> Hello everyone
[02:01] <Zoohouse> I can't remember how I push my current commits to a new series on launchpad using bzr..
[02:01] <wgrant> Zoohouse: The series doesn't exist yet?
[02:02] <Zoohouse> is it: bzr push lp:~userid/project-name/branch-name where branch-name is the series?
[02:02] <Zoohouse> wgrant, right. I have seires 0.2 out but I want to push to 0.3 which does not exist
[02:03] <wgrant> Zoohouse: Series and branches are separate, but you can designate a branch as being the main branch for that series. If the series exists but has no branch, you can just 'bzr push lp:PROJECT/SERIES'. If the series doesn't exist yet, you'll want to add it at https://launchpad.net/PROJECT/+addseries.
[02:06] <Zoohouse> wgrant, I see.. It's been a year since I haven't messed with this..
[02:16] <Zoohouse> Where's the "Register Trunk" link in launchpad.net? I can't seem to find it...
[02:17] <wgrant> Register series? https://launchpad.net/PROJECT, "Register a series"
[02:17] <Zoohouse> wgrant, I would like the put the new series on a new trunk
[02:18] <wgrant> Zoohouse: I'm not sure what you mean. trunk is itself a series.
[04:23] <vadi2> Is it possible to change the import location manually? sourceforge changed their URLs
[04:33] <wgrant> vadi2: Normal users can't, but Launchpad staff can. What's changed/
[04:35] <vadi2> The sf git url. https://code.launchpad.net/~mudlet-makers/mudlet/mudlet-main-git should now import from git://git.code.sf.net/p/mudlet/cod
[04:35] <vadi2> git://git.code.sf.net/p/mudlet/code
[04:36] <wgrant> vadi2: The old URLs seems to still be working. Do they intend to drop them?
[04:36] <vadi2> It seems I was mistaken, they are working. Nevermind! Haven't heard if they want to drop them.
[10:58] <mibofra> hi
[10:58] <mibofra> I've problems with the build machines XD
[10:58] <mibofra> problems I don't have on my local one
[10:59] <mibofra> ex.
[11:00] <mibofra> 1)they can't find the header opus.h so I've to use #include </usr/include/opus/opus.h> instead of <opus.h>
[11:01] <mibofra> 2) http://paste.ubuntu.com/5770552/
[11:04] <mibofra> what should I do?
[11:10] <mibofra> thanks XD
[12:43] <the_drow> Hi, can anyone walk me through creating a package? I'm trying to create a package for a PPA that will run a python script.
[17:34] <backfratrack> is there anyone?
[17:55] <dobey> backfratrack: you need to fix your code and/or packaging to do the right thing. it's not an issue with launchpad
[18:17] <backfratrack> ok
[18:39] <oly> hi, can someone tell me how i might fix this issue ? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/142592220/upload_481966_log.txt
[18:39] <oly> not really sue what its telling me :/
[18:40] <oly> especially as launchpad is generating the dsc files as part of a recipe, i tried deleting the packages from the ppa but that has nto helped :/
[19:46] <maxb> oly: It is telling you that the recipe has performed a build with a version string which clashes with a version previously used
[19:50] <maxb> oly: To fix it you need to make the version generated by the recipe such that will unique for each attempt - either by including data about the branch revisions involved, or by including a timestamp
[20:15] <oly> maxb thanks, got it sorted and dierent error now :p


[05:22] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[06:10] <Squirm> morning
[06:11] <Kilos> morning Squirm mazal bduk1 and others
[06:11] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  too
[06:11] <Kilos> i cant play for a bit
[06:16] <Kilos> only go night surfer data to use
[06:18] <bduk1> dem minetest
[06:18] <Kilos> ya
[06:19] <Kilos> looks like the bigger the map the more data you use
[06:22] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:54] <Kilos> hi Spekko Xethron
[07:26] <charl> good morning
[07:26] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:26]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:26] <Kilos> hi charl
[07:26] <charl> it's so strange not getting any tail anymore
[07:26] <charl> i'm so used getting tail
[07:26] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[07:26] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[07:26] <charl> Kilos: how are you doing
[07:26] <Kilos> haha
[07:26] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[07:27] <charl> i'm good !
[07:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[07:45] <Xethron> hi Kilos, charl, Maaz :)
[07:45] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[07:45] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:15] <charl> hi Xethron
[08:15] <charl> Maaz: thanks for the coffee
[08:15] <Maaz> charl: np
[08:15] <charl> just looked at registering a .io for the first time
[08:15] <charl> costs 65+ euro per year
[08:15] <charl> these people are nuts !
[08:22]  * Symmetria is amused at the outside plant department here
[08:22] <Symmetria> ;p someone just formally proposed turning the SQ rooms at my house into a full point of presence
[08:22] <Symmetria> I was like, errrrr HELL NO
[08:47] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos, charl, Xethron, Symmetria, mazal, bduk1
[08:53] <Vince-0> surp
[08:57] <nuvolari> oh hi Vince-0
[08:58] <Kilos> hi nuvolari Vince-0
[08:58] <Kilos> ill be in and out today. fixing fences all over
[09:07] <mazal> Hi nuvolari
[09:24] <charl> hi Vince-0
[09:24] <charl> hi nuvolari
[09:29]  * Symmetria winces and hits submit and orders his new storage stuff for home
[09:29] <Symmetria> heh, 45 4 terabyte drives in a backblaze system
[09:43] <charl> just for your personal use ?
[10:05]  * Squirm looks around at all the new faces
[10:08] <Spekko> more Kilos
[10:09] <Squirm> we dont need more, just one is enough
[11:08] <charl> Squirm: new faces? who?
[12:06] <Kilos> hi zander
[12:07] <Kilos> haha spekk
[12:14] <Squirm> charl: all the people that joined from the net split :P
[12:51] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening
[13:29] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[13:29] <psyatw> hi Squirm
[13:29] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[14:13] <charl> Squirm: ah
[16:47] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[16:47] <Vince-0> sup
[16:48] <Kilos> trying to force my self to stay up to play minetest after 11pm
[17:34] <Vince-0> omg why?
[17:35] <Kilos> lol because thats the data i havent used yet
[18:13] <Kilos> wb superfly
[18:19] <magespawn> good evening
[18:19] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:20] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[18:21] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:34] <magespawn> hi superfly
[18:45] <Symmetria> <3
[18:45] <charl> hi magespawn
[18:45] <Symmetria> I just turned up humungo bandwidth to the UAE
[18:45] <Symmetria> 50ms to UAE from Kenya now!
[18:46] <charl> Symmetria: how many terabit ?
[18:46] <Symmetria> charl, heh, those are 10G links (for now)
[18:46] <Symmetria> we'll upgrade later
[18:46] <charl> bah :P
[18:46] <charl> but it's a start
[18:47] <charl> afaik not much is hosted in the UAE though so that should keep you a while
[18:47] <charl> *last
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo peeps
[18:53] <superfly> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[19:06] <charl> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[19:06] <charl> how's it going
[19:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> good thanks, you?
[19:08] <charl> i'm good
[19:15] <magespawn> hi there
[19:47] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:02] <magespawn> good night y'all
[20:02] <Kilos> night magespawn
[20:02] <Kilos> sleep tight
[21:18] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[00:00] <BobJonkman> #startmeeting Ubuntu Canada Video Chat for 23 January 2014
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[00:00] <BobJonkman> Meeting's on!  Roll call: dscassel mainmeister katherineB aruna_ mars dougdastew1 FiReSTaRT DarwinSurvivor bregma BobJonkman jaguar zul laurelrusswurm1 jlamothe johanbr IdleOne azend|vps Chex ryanakca  samthetechie sipherdee greeter cyphermox azend  txwikinger2
[00:00] <BobJonkman> Hello Everybody!
[00:01] <dscassel> Hi BobJonkman!
[00:01] <BobJonkman> This meeting is also on the Google Hangout at URL https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpj7lt99uvi3m8iirprakd4g?hl=en
[00:01] <BobJonkman> Come join us there if you can
[00:02] <bregma> you can adjust your bandwidth with the little star-step tool
[00:02] <BobJonkman> So let's start with some introductions
[00:02] <BobJonkman> #topic Introductinos
[00:03] <aruna_> BobJonkman:Sounds Great see you there :-)
[00:03] <BobJonkman> I'm Bob Jonkman from Elmira, just north of Waterloo
[00:04] <dscassel> Hi, I'm Darcy in Waterloo.  I'm also a co-contact, although I've been seriously slacking off lately.  Thanks, Bob!
[00:04] <katherineB> Hi! I'm Katherine in Waterloo.
[00:06] <BobJonkman> Online we also have Aruna, dscassel, David, John, Doug, Jeff, John, Stephen and William
[00:07] <aruna_> Hi Katherine welcome
[00:07] <dougdastew1> Hi I'm Doug from London ont.
[00:07] <katherineB> Hi aruna_
[00:07] <aruna_> Hi Doug welcome
[00:08] <CrankyOldBugger> helloooooo
[00:08] <aruna_> Hi Jeff
[00:08] <aruna_> hell-ooooh
[00:08] <aruna_> :)
[00:08] <BobJonkman> We're joined by Ron from Maryland LoCO
[00:09] <BobJonkman> #topic Events
[00:09] <BobJonkman> Lots of events on the agenda
[00:09] <BobJonkman> Lets start past Events
[00:09] <BobJonkman> #subtopic Past Events
[00:10] <BobJonkman> Aruna's Ubuntu Hour in Toronto
[00:11] <bregma> hey guys, using headphones will prevent the delay feedback, just so you know for next time
[00:11] <BobJonkman> Aruna explains the reason for holding Ubuntu Hours. Getting people to particate
[00:11] <BobJonkman> We had a lot of fun, so it was a successful Ubuntu Hour
[00:13] <BobJonkman> Kitchener Ubuntu Hours?
[00:13] <BobJonkman> None in January, but maybe in February
[00:14] <bregma> control-D will toggle the microphone nute
[00:14] <bregma> Mute*
[00:14] <BobJonkman> (asking people to mute mics when not speaking)
[00:14] <BobJonkman> Ubuntu Hour Toronto pictures at http://pix.ie/ubuntuca/album/482290/detailed
[00:15] <BobJonkman> I don't know what the Ubuntu Development Sprint is, and noone else seems to know
[00:15] <BobJonkman> #subtopic Upcoming events
[00:15] <aruna_> Bob is explaining about upcoming events on the video chat
[00:15] <genii> Luckily I had a headset
[00:15] <aruna_> me too :)
[00:15] <BobJonkman> App Developer Week is on now
[00:16] <BobJonkman> Lots of people would like to participate, but they're not programmers.
[00:17] <aruna_> hey Katherine and Doug ask away if you guys have questions
[00:17] <aruna_> Saturday is Ubuntu User Days
[00:18] <aruna_> Ubuntu User days are information sessions
[00:18] <BobJonkman> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays are online courses
[00:19] <BobJonkman> Ubuntu Developer Summit
[00:20] <BobJonkman> Also an online session, using Google Hangouts
[00:20] <BobJonkman> http://uds.ubuntu.com/ but that site hasn't been updated for this year yet
[00:20] <BobJonkman> bregma says it will probably be in February
[00:21] <pirivan> the hangout is full, I can't join :(
[00:21] <aruna_> pirivan: hold on let me leave so yo0u can join
[00:21] <BobJonkman> Roundtable discussions on upcoming features
[00:21] <aruna_> 1 sec
[00:22] <BobJonkman> Phone and Cloud discussions, talking about convergence
[00:22] <pirivan> aruna_, why do you want to leave?
[00:22] <katherineB> How many people can be in the hangout
[00:22] <aruna_> pirivan: so you can JOIN my friend
[00:22] <BobJonkman> I think 10 people is the max
[00:22] <aruna_> maximum TEN I belive katherine
[00:23] <dscassel> I'll be having to leave soon so there'll be a space opening.
[00:23] <pirivan> nope, still full
[00:23] <aruna_> no darcy stick around
[00:23] <aruna_> you can add value where as I have little
[00:24] <aruna_> pirivan: try now
[00:24] <pirivan> I'm in!
[00:24] <aruna_> Yaaay !
[00:24] <aruna_> gud stuff n pls pay attention
[00:25] <dscassel> I'm out, so there's another spot open if someone wants in.
[00:26] <BobJonkman> Darcy has just left, but hopes to have a Trusty Tahr release party
[00:26] <aruna_> oki
[00:26] <ronswift_> someone can also take my spot
[00:26] <BobJonkman> genii will be holding a URP in Toronto on the day of release
[00:26] <ronswift_> bye
[00:26] <BobJonkman> I'm hoping we'll Global Jam in Computer Recycling in Kitchener
[00:26] <aruna_> thanks for dropping by Ron
[00:29] <BobJonkman> genii suggests having simul-parties so we communicate on IRC and video
[00:32] <BobJonkman> I'm explaining that Release Parties are social events for me, but they can also be installfests or educational events
[00:34] <BobJonkman> We're talking about the direction of ubuntu, and what we're running on our own desktops
[00:34] <aruna_> Katherine do u have a webcam and mic+headset dear
[00:35] <aruna_> Please feel free to ask away everyone here is friendly and helpful
[00:35] <katherineB> I can't afford to upgrade from dialup.  That's why I don't try to use video from home.
[00:36] <aruna_> your on dial-up ? yikes
[00:36] <aruna_> we have to do some thing about that :)
[00:36] <katherineB> Yeah. I know. Yeech!
[00:36] <aruna_> LOL its not dat bad
[00:37] <katherineB> A job that pays enough to live on is what will free me!
[00:37] <aruna_> join the club hun
[00:37] <aruna_> have faith
[00:38] <aruna_> never lose faith or give up
[00:38] <katherineB> Faith is taking a long time to do any good.
[00:38] <BobJonkman> Talking about the other events...
[00:39] <BobJonkman> John says he's running CrunchBang on an old laptop, wiht low resources
[00:39] <BobJonkman> I didn't know #! was an Ubuntu Derivative
[00:40] <BobJonkman> bregma and John are swapping stories about the EEE PC and the pre-formatted SSD drive
[00:41] <BobJonkman> John mentions Bohdi Linux
[00:41] <bregma> it's just an SD card, not an SSD
[00:41] <BobJonkman> Pedro has Bohdi on an tiny old computer
[00:42] <bregma> the system was read-only with a unionfs overlay, so you could never actually delete any files and eventually you'd run out of disk space and need to reformat
[00:42] <bregma> and the keyboards were so cheap the keys always fell off when my kids used the machines
[00:43] <dougdastew1> try now I just left
[00:44] <dougdastew1> try now
[00:46] <genii> BobJonkman: Tenant came down to my office complaining of wino in the driveway, had to go wake him up and send him on his way
[00:47] <BobJonkman> #topic Other Stuff
[00:51] <BobJonkman> Ubuntu presence on Social Media channels like StatusNet, Twitter, Facebook, &c
[00:52] <BobJonkman> I've got some of it covered on StatusNet: http://sn.jonkman.ca/group/ubuntuca
[00:52] <CrankyOldBugger> is that what I said??
[00:52] <BobJonkman> and http://sn.jonkman.ca/group/ubuntu
[00:53] <BobJonkman> CrankyOldBugger will look after Google Plus announcements, &c.
[00:53] <BobJonkman> https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/103177632744805958694 is the Ubuntu Canada LoCo community
[00:54] <BobJonkman> John mentions Sunflower filemanager, worth looking at
[00:54] <BobJonkman> It's a graphical FM.
[00:58] <BobJonkman> Arunu asks can I handle IRC and Video together?
[00:58] <BobJonkman> Yes, but I think people on IRC are losing out on a lot of the conversation
[00:59] <aruna_> That was my concern as well
[01:00] <BobJonkman> Should we do video chat again?
[01:00] <BobJonkman> Consensus, yes.
[01:00] <CrankyOldBugger> I hear music..
[01:01] <genii> CrankyOldBugger: Aruna's phone :)
[01:01] <BobJonkman> Bregma say Hangouts on Air solve part of that problem by letting more than 10 people participate  by viewing only
[01:01] <BobJonkman> So next time I'll try that
[01:02] <aruna_> Sorry I had to take the call it's my son from Sri lanka
[01:02] <genii> Well, good night and we will hopefully "see" each other again soon
[01:02] <CrankyOldBugger> good night everybody
[01:03] <BobJonkman> Also, I'd likt to try running in a community area like Kwartzlab where we can participate as a group, allowing people without video access to participate
[01:04] <katherineB> That would be nice.
[01:06] <BobJonkman> For February's meeting we can try Hangouts On Air, and I'll ask Darcy about using Kwartzlab.
[01:07] <BobJonkman> Perhaps azend can see about using Diyode..
[01:07] <BobJonkman> Anyway, that about finishes off  the night. The video chat has shut down, and if nobody has anything else we can end the meeting
[01:08] <BobJonkman> #endmeeting
[01:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Jan 24 01:08:11 2014 UTC.
[01:08] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-ca/2014/ubuntu-ca.2014-01-24-00.00.moin.txt
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[01:08] <katherineB> Bye BobJonkman!
[01:09] <BobJonkman> Bye katherineB!
[04:42] <zykotick9> BobJonkman: so?  how did you video meeting work out?  good turn out?  technically ok?
[04:42] <BobJonkman> Hi zykotick9!
[04:43] <zykotick9> hey
[04:43] <BobJonkman> Yes, great turnout, technically good
[04:43] <zykotick9> that's good!
[04:43] <BobJonkman> Seems there's a limit on Hangout participants, so we had a lineup of people wanting to get in
[04:43] <zykotick9> wow!
[04:43] <zykotick9> sounds like an excellent turnout then!
[04:44] <BobJonkman> Oh, and you should hook up with Pedro ___ from Ottawa, who's looking for any signs of a tech community there.
[04:44] <BobJonkman> Hang on, I'll see if I can find his last name
[04:44] <BobJonkman> You're not on Google , are you?
[04:44] <zykotick9> nope
[04:45] <zykotick9> i'm google free!
[04:46] <BobJonkman> Hmm.  I feel so tainted by tonight's experience
[04:46] <BobJonkman> Anyway, Pedro joined us about halfway through
[04:47] <zykotick9> does Pedro frequent IRC?
[04:47] <BobJonkman> I'll ask him to check out IRC when I see him online
[04:47] <zykotick9> cool
[04:47] <BobJonkman> No, I don't think he's on IRC
[04:47] <zykotick9> :(
[04:48] <BobJonkman> He said he works in a tech environment, where I gathered using Ubuntu is the norm
[04:48] <zykotick9> well, i'm glad your video meeting went well!  take care.
[04:48] <zykotick9> nice!  lucky him!
[04:48] <BobJonkman> But he said that when he leaves the office there's no sign of any tech community.
[04:48] <zykotick9> (not that ubuntu would be my 1st choice, but still)
[04:49] <zykotick9> there is OCLUG, but i haven't been in a LONG while - they've moved meeting locations even...
[04:49] <BobJonkman> What's your distro of choice?
[04:49] <zykotick9> right now, it's ubuntu based - Trisquel
[04:49] <zykotick9> freedom FTW
[04:49] <BobJonkman> Oh, right! I remember setting something up for that :)
[04:50] <zykotick9> i've been using Debian "main" only for the last couple of years (since squeeze was released)
[04:50] <zykotick9> you did!  thanks again.
[04:50] <BobJonkman> I've got a partition set aside for Debian Testing, but haven't populated it yet.
[04:51] <BobJonkman> "Something for Trisquel" http://sn.jonkman.ca/group/trisquel for those folks in the IRC audience
[04:51] <BobJonkman> Is Trisquel a rolling distro?
[04:51] <zykotick9> testing isn't bad, but i was ALL about stability, so for me "stable" was where it was at.  now, freedom is my #1 priority (that has been my take-away, from the entire snowden/nsa thing)
[04:51] <zykotick9> trisquel is the same as ubuntu-lts ;)  with the non-free stuff removed.
[04:52] <zykotick9> they only do LTS releases now.
[04:52] <zykotick9> trisquel has a VERY small developer base, no where near the quality of debian :(..
[04:53] <BobJonkman> Using Trisquel felt good.
[04:53] <zykotick9> anyways, i'm glad the video meeting went well for ubuntu-ca/you!
[04:53] <BobJonkman> I never had it on my computer, but I set it up for someone else.
[04:53] <zykotick9> it does "feel good" :)
[04:54] <BobJonkman> Thanx! We'll do it again next month, this time with Google Hangouts On Air
[04:54] <BobJonkman> bregma says that lets other people watch without participating, effectively removing the 10 person cap
[04:54]  * zykotick9 doesn't know what "GH On Air" even is... but seeing as it's google, wouldn't touch it with a 30 foot pole
[04:55] <BobJonkman> It records the hangout session on YouTube, and live-streams it too.
[04:55] <zykotick9> neat
[04:56] <zykotick9> hope you're surviving this COLD ok... i assume your weather can't be radically different from here.
[04:56] <BobJonkman> Yes, I got sucked into this Google deal because I felt obligated to go where the people are. Seems to have been a good choice, considering today's participation numbers
[04:57] <BobJonkman> Gnomepanel Weather Applet says -19 now.
[04:57] <BobJonkman> Was -20 earlier, so summer must be near
[04:57] <zykotick9> while, i'm sure, it's the best "technical" solution... the google-factor is very distastful
[04:58] <BobJonkman> We've got an inline (tankless) water heater that froze up.  Seems the exhaust pipe doesn't just let the gas out, it also lets the cold in
[04:59] <BobJonkman> Yes, the Google Hangout was actually the best quality solution we tried.
[04:59] <zykotick9> eeek.  that's not good.  well, stay warm!
[04:59] <BobJonkman> There was also https://chatb.org/#ubuntu-ca (WebRTC), Jitsi, TInychat, OpenMeeting, maybe some others. genii helped a lot, as did belkinsa from the Ohio team
[05:00] <zykotick9> thanks again for !trisquel group.  glad your meeting went so well!  cya on GS or IRC soon i'm sure.
[05:01] <BobJonkman> OK, goodnight and !tzaf, zykotick9
[05:01] <zykotick9> ;)
[05:05] <aruna_> BobJonkman: Check your PM please
[05:05] <BobJonkman> Done. Too many chat windows open.
[05:06] <BobJonkman> There's at least three different IRC servers, XMPP, StatusNet...


[10:33] <LocutusOfBorg> rbalint_, forked-daapd update to new release please? there is a gcc-10 error that is tricking me
[10:33] <LocutusOfBorg> and json-c is waiting for it
[10:35] <LocutusOfBorg> well, I fixed it, will post the patch to the debian bug
[14:26] <ahasenack> sil2100: hi, did you get a chance to look at that bileto mp?
[14:45] <sil2100> ahasenack: hi! Yes! It looks good, let me merge it in a moment
[14:46] <ahasenack> sil2100: thanks! Does it also need a new deployment?
[14:46] <ahasenack> or merging is enough?
[14:46] <sil2100> Merging is enough, it will be auto-deployed in 30 minutes
[14:46] <ahasenack> nice
[17:10] <melodie> hello!
[17:10] <melodie> I am back since a few days ago with a question related to the languages at the boot of the live Ubuntu
[17:10] <melodie> does someone know how that works, under the hood?
[17:11] <melodie> who should I ask?


[16:23] <Brondoman> Quick question:  anyone have any good links to help with Ubuntu 12.04 and (U)EFI bios?  I have Windows 8 preview installed on my primary SSD and installed 12.04 B2 in another partition on the same drive.  The installer says it installed GRUB but when I reboot I go straight into Windows 8 with no Grub menu at all