[03:09] <lotuspsychje> good morning
 "good morning" <- 👋 hi there, good morning
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> heya ilvipero o/
[11:18] <wez> yay lotuspsychje!
[11:57] <ni-ux> I've been using ubuntu for work for about 10+ years in large environments (thousands of VMs) and have historically been an advocate of it over more traditional subscription-based enterprise distributions
[11:57] <ni-ux> have a couple of pieces of feedback:
[11:57] <ni-ux> the installer for 22 is so bad that for our 22 VMs we've had to upgrade a 20 machine and use that as a template - there is no way to create a single partition install without swap or boot
[11:57] <ni-ux> the increasing reliance on snap is something that might cause us to abandon the distribution completely - at a bare minimum it should never be on the server version and as a desktop user it would be nice not to have to deal with it there or to have configurable options that avoid it
[13:07] <ogra> ni-ux, funny you say that, when we started 9y ago with snap development it was mainly for server, cloud, industrial, robotics etc ...
[13:07] <ogra> (and this is in fact where they are used in millions nowadays)
[13:08] <ogra> but if you dont like snap, just purge snpd (it will tear out all traces of snaps as well) and be done
[13:08] <ogra> *snapd
[14:28] <ni-ux> ogra: I can see that being the purpose, but involving people with real world experience would have helped with design decisions and made the technology more usable
[14:29] <ni-ux> the big no-go for enterprise use-cases is no control of updates, but the resource utilization is also not ideal
[14:29] <ni-ux> in a world where we have containers there just isn't a reason to use snap in its current form
[14:30] <ni-ux> I guess I should be asking how I could get involved with the work that goes into the installer on the iso - in the open source ecosystem if we want things changed we should be helping
[14:31] <ogra> ni-ux, nearly all snap development is driven by paying customers ... so i'd guess there are plenty of real-world people involved
[14:32] <ogra> not sure what you mean by "control of updates" ... you can schedule them, hold them, set them to never happen at all etc
[14:32] <JanC> but their use cases are not everyone's use cases...
[14:33] <ogra> especially for enterprises you can also do test installs from beta/candidate channels before moving to the actual thing etc etc ...
[14:33] <ni-ux> yes by virtue of being a worse version of containerization there are some benefits you would get like that, I do understand that
[14:33] <ogra> i know a lot of enterprises use snaps by utilizing all their features (see snap help for a very minimal subset of what snaps can do)
[14:34] <ogra> "being a worse version of containerization" ? i'd say wuite the opposite and big companies i work with would say that too (given they picked snaps over something like lxd or docker)
[14:36] <ogra> *quite the ...
[14:36] <ni-ux> I can see why someone developing something to be consumed by the public would be tempted to use snap but their interests are in direction opposition to the consumers of it
[14:36] <ogra> i dont know a single containerization implementation offering the same bits snaps offer really
[14:37] <ni-ux> what you're really saying is "we have people that pay us and they use this so we're stuck with it" and that probably means for the average user or enterprise consumer we may need to switch distros if it becomes difficult to make sure snap isn't used for core app management
[14:37] <ni-ux> which is good to know
[14:37] <ni-ux> paying customers certainly should drive development
[14:38] <ogra> starting from being cppletel read-only gpg signed (i.e. 100% tinker proof) over always compressed and never unpacked on disk .. to automated self-tests on upgrades and roll back (manual or automatic) to built-in fleet management ... to just name a few
[14:38] <ogra> oh, and indeed unlimited parallel installs (for failover and HA cases etc)
[14:39] <ni-ux> none of those things require the inability to control updates manually...
[14:39] <ogra> LOL ... we're not "stuck with it" ... it isnt like several 100 people inside canonical work on it because we are "stuck with it" ... we developed it for certain use-cases and it is a big hit in these areas
[14:39] <leftyfb> ni-ux: you can control the updates. Unlike apt you can schedule them but you can also disable them just like apt. What more control do you want?
[14:40] <ni-ux> control of the version that gets installed for one, not just "refreshing" to get the latest version
[14:40] <ogra> ni-ux, can you please elaborate ? you have full control over upgrades ...
[14:40] <leftyfb> the only difference is, unlike apt, automatic update is enabled by default. But you can disable them completely
[14:40] <leftyfb> to be fair, this is fairly new
[14:41] <leftyfb> ni-ux: https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/11/turn-off-automatic-updates-snap-apps/
[14:41] <ogra> uh, but you cant do that with other packaging systems either ... if a version is in the archive you have to take it or not ...
[14:41] <leftyfb> ni-ux: maybe you just weren't aware that you could disable the automatic updates?
[14:41] <oerheks> ... and one can roll back
[14:41] <ni-ux> I can mark, hold, pick specific versions of apt packages
[14:41] <ogra> leftyfb, you could always use the snap-store-proxy and turn it to airgapped mode ... enterprises have done that for years
[14:41] <ni-ux> it's cool that you can at least disable the updates now but that's still less granular
[14:42] <leftyfb> ni-ux: "less granular"? How so?
[14:42] <ogra> ni-ux, what kind of granularity are you talking about ...
[14:42] <leftyfb> ni-ux: you can do it per snap package if you like
[14:42] <ogra> ni-ux, what can you do with a deb from the archive you can not do with a snap in that area ?
[14:42] <ni-ux> is it now possible to pick a particular version of a snap to update to? or if you enabled the auto update scheduling you'll just get latest
[14:43] <ogra> ni-ux, can you show me how to do that with a deb ?
[14:43] <JanC> eh, that's trivial
[14:43] <ogra> is it ?
[14:43] <ogra> there is usually only one supported deb in the archive
[14:43] <ogra> and that is the latest one uploaded
[14:44] <ogra> not different in any way how snaps behave
[14:44] <ni-ux> apt install package=version
[14:44] <leftyfb> ni-ux: you know that only works for the versions available right? As in 2 for a short period of time
[14:44] <ogra> yeah
[14:45] <JanC> you can have multiple repositories with each their own version...
[14:45] <ni-ux> maybe, but I've used it before to pick specific versions where needed successfully, and if you wanted to you can setup a PPA to help
[14:45] <ogra> same as "snap revert <package>" ... just that it will always work for a snap
[14:45] <ogra> (since the one you revert to is local)
[14:46] <ni-ux> are these customers publishing apps as snaps? or just consuming them internally
[14:46] <leftyfb> both
[14:46] <ni-ux> if they're publishing them...yes of course, it's much easier
[14:46] <ni-ux> but consuming them vs deb there is no advantage only disadvantages
[14:46] <leftyfb> for instance, Mozilla publishes the Firefox snap
[14:46] <ni-ux> any of the virtues you're extolling are better used with containers
[14:46] <ni-ux> on the consuming side
[14:47] <ni-ux> yes - I saw that this morning when updating my desktop personal system - it's what led me here
[14:47] <ni-ux> this cancer has made its way to firefox now too?
[14:47] <ni-ux> very frustrating
[14:47] <leftyfb> ni-ux: ok, you don't like snaps and no amount of disproving your misconceptions and perceptions is going to change your opinion. Good luck.
[14:47] <ni-ux> there are already work-around articles for it like this one:
[14:47] <ni-ux> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04
[14:47] <ogra> mozially asked for it
[14:47] <ogra> *mozilla
[14:48] <leftyfb> unlike debs, Mozilla can publish their snap and have the package updated to the latest across all OS's that support snaps, including non-deb-based distro's
[14:48] <ni-ux> leftyfb: not at all - if we fixed it so a snap isn't an isolated wasteful duplication of libraries and fixed it so updates work the same way as apt without just grabbing "latest", I'd be on board
[14:48] <leftyfb> package versions in snaps are distro-agnostic
[14:49] <ni-ux> sure - because they wastefully just include libraries in the package
[14:49] <ni-ux> it's sheer laziness
[14:49] <ogra> geez
[14:49] <leftyfb> ni-ux: hence containerized/secure
[14:49] <ogra> can you stop spreading FUD you read in forum comments
[14:49] <leftyfb> just like flatpak
[14:50] <leftyfb> and ... what's the one other one ... imagesomething?
[14:50] <ogra> snaps have had shared library snaps since close to the start in 2014
[14:50] <ni-ux> I dont' really participate in forums much these complaints are the result of using this OS as my personal desktop for decades, and making leadership decisions in large companies that use the software
[14:50] <ni-ux> you can dismiss them as "oh this guy just doesn't understand snap" and that's ok - but many have these complaints
[14:50] <ogra> well, if you used them and looked close enoug you will see that libs are mostly shared ... particulary for desktop apps
[14:51] <ogra> that "many have these complaints" does not make them true 🙂
[14:51] <ogra> snaps or anti-snap are not religions ... just look at the code, or how it functions on your system ... it is all opensource
[14:51] <oerheks> I wonder why people hate snaps, but trust apt packages over snaps..
[14:52] <ni-ux> its been some good years - we'll continue to route around snap as damage and if that becomes impossible or effort-prohibitive at some point I guess we'll jump ship
[14:52] <oerheks> or flatpak, with disadvantages also..
[14:52] <leftyfb> ni-ux: good luck
[14:52] <ni-ux> if there is a way to help the team that does the installer I would appreciate it - that it still assumes you will have separate partitions for /boot, swap, etc... is silly
[14:52] <ni-ux> the 20 installer allowed a single LVM partition for everything, which is what you want for public or private cloud
[14:53]  * ogra has admittedly not tried the upcoming 23.04 installer yet ... but what yu complain about has nothing to do with snap packaging
[14:53] <ni-ux> some native support for a swapfile would be good too but it's not hard to throw one in after the fact
[14:53] <leftyfb> ni-ux: feel free to file bugs
[14:54] <ni-ux> yeah it's a separate issue - we're not likely to agree on snap and you've already let us know paid customers like it and app developers are pushing for it
[14:54] <leftyfb> !bug | ni-ux
[14:54] <ogra> we do default to swapfiles since 22.04 IIRC ?
[14:54] <ni-ux> it's not really a bug in the installer it's just lacking some features of the old installer
[14:54] <ni-ux> this is for server mind you
[14:55] <leftyfb> pretty sure no debian-based installer, desktop nor server ever allowed you to specify a swap file as opposed to a swap partition
[14:55] <ni-ux> yeah a lot of the installers for all distros are stuck in 1995 it's not an ubuntu issue
[14:56] <ogra> well, ubuntu isnt anymore with the upcoming release 🙂
[14:56] <leftyfb> ogra: ?
[14:56] <ogra> server switched in 22.04 ... desktop does in 23.04
[14:56] <ogra> leftyfb, stuck in 1995
[14:56] <leftyfb> ah, subiquity
[14:57] <ogra> well, curtin ...
[14:57] <ni-ux> I'll file a bug and describe what I'm trying to do vs what actually happens and see from there
[14:57] <ogra> 👍
[14:57] <ogra> good move
[14:58] <leftyfb> that 22.04.1 bug on installing over a BMC(iDrac) was nasty. Good thing 22.04.2 fixed it. Made my life of documenting the installation for a team much easier without having to write up a workaround
[14:58] <ogra> yeah, bugs are awesome ... when they get fixed 😉
[14:59] <JanC> well, the Firefox snap is *still* broken... (although I see someone recently marked one of the biggest bugs as "in progress" recently, after years of doing nothing, so let's see...)
[15:00] <leftyfb> JanC: broken how?
[15:00] <JanC> I explained that here in the past
[15:00] <leftyfb> Again, fresh install of Ubuntu 22.04 desktop last night, Firefox worked perfectly fine for me to download and install Chrome :)
[15:00] <JanC> there are bug reports (in Launchpad & Mozilla's bugtracker)
[15:01] <JanC> (and AFAIK the Chromium snap has had the same bug, since 2019 or so)
[15:01] <oerheks> if one needs an OTA device with firefox snap, yes, it is broken
[15:04] <ogra> JanC, "the bug" is really a bit broad ... my firefox has not had any bugs for me in ages ... nor does my chromium ...
[15:06] <ogra> oerheks, whats an OTA device ? (i only know OTA devices from the embedded world as over the air updating devices)
[15:07] <oerheks> in Belgium, one needs a special device to contact Taxservices.
[15:07] <JanC> because you don't (have to) use some features of Firefox does not mean other people don't...
[15:07] <ogra> wasnt that fixed with the native-messaging support being added ?
[15:07] <JanC> it's not just for tax services, it's pretty much all government services, healthcare, social security, etc.
[15:07] <ogra> (which was now ... what 2y ago ?)
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> not yet ogra
[15:08] <oerheks> Not AFAIK
[15:08] <ogra> oh !
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> that bug still not fixed
[15:08] <ogra> i thought it was using that tech
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> im using chrome to bypass that
[15:08] <JanC> and also in some other countries (I think Estonia, ...)
[15:08] <ogra> yeah, i heard that but was under the impression native messaging support had solved it
[15:09] <JanC> it's also not a special device, it's astandard smartcard device
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> bug #1741074
[15:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu-discuss- Bug 1741074 in firefox (Ubuntu) "[snap] chrome-gnome-shell extension fails to detect native host connector" [High, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741074
[15:09] <ravage> ogra: there are countries in Europe that use "the internet" to contact the government. i know for us that is hard to believe :P
[15:09] <oerheks> in nl we have DigiID, that is just a 2 factor auth, a simple sms on your phone
[15:09] <JanC> SMS... how secure  :P
[15:09] <ogra> ravage, you mean to send around scanned FAX documents to print tem out at the receiver ?
[15:09] <ogra> 😛
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:10] <ravage> ogra: yep :D
[15:10] <JanC> ogra: but this is about all-digital stuff, which they got working a couple decades ago...
[15:13] <ogra> JanC, yeah, not in germany where the biggest digital innovation is still sending docs as beeps over phone lines 😛
[15:14] <JanC> I'm sure that happens too sometimes (not just at governments, I know for a fact the 2nd biggest telco here worked like that internally until at least 10 years ago), but these online things actually work now
[15:15] <JanC> telco/IT services company really, setting the example...
[15:16] <oerheks> My bank still works with this, for over 10y years now https://cdn.nos.nl/image/2015/04/10/147991/xxl.jpg
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> same here oerheks
[15:16] <JanC> there is lots to be said about these online government projects (always delivered late, always delivered at huge budget overruns, etc.), but after a while they actually start to work well  :)
[15:17] <JanC> that's not bad tech oerheks
[15:17] <oerheks> My complaint; i can only set a 4 digit pincode, not 3, not 5-9 digits
[15:17] <JanC> better than SMS or a PIN code...
[15:17] <ogra> yeah, somtimes i suspect there are still sitting wimen in 50s dresses somewhere in the basements of german telcos ... plugging headphone plugs into matrixes of headphn jacks
[15:17] <JanC> oerheks: but you login is blocked after 3 failed attempts
[15:18] <oerheks> jups, and i disabled contact-payments.
[15:18] <oerheks> no pulling money from my account, by payments of max 25 euro
[15:18] <JanC> eh, I bet half the people did that after a consumer TV show showed how easy it is to steal money with contact-free payments  :P
[15:19] <JanC> here
[15:19] <oerheks> and no payment by smartphone
[15:20] <oerheks> no e-sim too
[15:27] <JanC> BTW, I think (some of) those 2FA devices banks use can do 6-number PINs too
[15:28] <JanC> but banks probably can't enable that until all devices in use (these 2FA devices, ATMs, web/phone apps, ...) support that
[15:29] <JanC> might even be that it is held back to make sure your card still works in US ATMs or something like that  :)
[15:30] <JanC> I mean, they used magnetic strips for more than a decade after almost everyone else switched to smartcards too...


[01:12] <ikt> can someone help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/778222
[01:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 778222 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Graphics crash (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[01:12] <ikt> it has a video, and really appears to be an xorg crash
[01:13] <ikt> but apport-collect didn't attach any decent logs and I'm not sure which ones are vital
[05:55] <vish> hggdh , bdmurray: page not found :s » https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-o-ubuntu-bugcontrol-membership-policy
[06:14] <vish> hmm, we dont have a QA track..
[06:14] <vish> so its been moved to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-qa-o-ubuntu-bugcontrol-membership-policy
[13:34] <tetsuo55> hmm, butterfly is crashing a lot today
[16:55] <psusi> It seems that the Opinion state is just an alias for Invalid.  Shouldn't it be a little different, like it should show up in a full text search?
[17:22] <Ampelbein> psusi: yes, I think I've seen a bug about this (or a discussion in #launchpad).
[17:24] <Ampelbein> psusi: could be bug 772954 that I remember.
[17:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 772954 in launchpad ""Opinion" bug status causes user confusion (affects: 1) (heat: 23)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772954
[21:50] <RedSingularity> Is there any tool out there that will list the packages installed on the system from custom PPA's?
[21:52] <RedSingularity> jibel: any idea where to go next with this one?  Its obviously a local error but I dont want to leave the user hanging either.  I am stumped :(
[21:52] <RedSingularity> bug 769817
[21:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 769817 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Installation progress dialog not visible (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769817


[01:10] <pvl1> howd it go
[10:12] <rmg51> Morning
[10:26] <JonathanD> Mornign.
[10:36] <kasted> good morning.. is that fog still out there?
[10:37] <JonathanD> Too dark to tell
[11:26] <kasted> is anyone here mining bitcoin or litecoin?
[11:26] <JonathanD> I'm not. Do you plan on doing so?
[11:29] <kasted> i was thinking of it.. just been reading up on somethings. I was looking into bitcoin but though i would try something a bit newer
[11:29] <kasted> thought*
[11:30] <JonathanD> it's impractical to mine with a regular computer, just FYI
[11:30] <JonathanD> maybe less so on litecoin, I'm not sure about that.
[11:31] <kasted> yea.. litecoing is less intensive... but still need dedicated gpus
[11:32] <kasted> well not a necessity but better to have
[11:33] <JonathanD> I think you pretty much do at this point.
[11:33] <JonathanD> at least if you do not wish to lose money.
[11:36] <JonathanD> kasted: it really depends on why you're getting into it.
[11:36] <kasted> that too
[11:37] <kasted> well for right now it is more of a curiosity. i am not willing to go spend extra money for equiptment and such but i if come across some gpus i will put them in a box and fire it up
[11:38] <JonathanD> kasted: You'll want to read up on pools, too.
[11:38] <JonathanD> If you just start mining on your own you'll get essentially nothing.
[11:38] <JonathanD> Mining on your own, on GPUs, is essentially a lottery, and with similar odds.
[11:39] <kasted> yea i read all that this morning
[11:40] <JonathanD> ok
[11:40] <JonathanD> crazy as it sounds, doge is the most profitable way of GPU mining presently :P
[11:42] <kasted> oh is that a pool?
[11:43] <kasted> or another "currensy"
[11:45] <JonathanD> heh
[11:45] <JonathanD> dogecoin
[11:46] <JonathanD> you can mine and convert to btc, it's essentially unusable at the moment, but it's easy to mine on CPU/GPU and hte conversion rate makes mining it and converting "faster" than mining btc direclty.
[11:48] <kasted> reading now... thanks
[11:49] <JonathanD> kasted: plus in the unlikely chance someone significant starts accepting doge, it could skyrocket :P
[13:08] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[13:30] <ChinnoDog> hamsters?  I discovered yesterday my radio has 127 presets, not 25. 25 is just what Chirp defaults to.
[13:41] <jedijf> regular guys weren't around - may have been repeater issues with fog
[13:41] <ChinnoDog> I loaded all your philly stations into my presets.
[13:41] <ChinnoDog> I can't hear them of course.
[13:42] <jedijf> that was my original - i have changed - it seems it's ever evolving - especially changing alpha-numerics so you know personally the repeater or freq
[13:42] <jedijf> i have to redo all my radios
[13:43] <ChinnoDog> When you are done send me your master list so I can load it into my presets.
[13:43] <jedijf> sure
[13:43] <jedijf> i wish you could hit the havre de grace u of p repeater
[13:43] <ChinnoDog> Which one is that?
[13:43] <jedijf> 441.7 iirc
[13:43] <jedijf> 131.8 tone
[13:44] <ChinnoDog> the list you sent me lists 441.7 as W3WAN with 74.4 tone
[13:44] <jedijf> 444.15 hold on
[13:45] <jedijf> http://www.repeaterbook.com/repeaters/details.php?ID=147&state_id=24#sthash.4OSUuFz9.dpbs
[13:45] <KyleYankan> jedijf: Yeah, Havre de Grace is a stretch from ChinnoDog. 75 miles or so
[13:46] <jedijf> join repeaterbook and qrz.com so you can page up like myspace
[13:46] <jedijf> KyleYankan: you need gif'd up qrz page
[13:47] <KyleYankan> jedijf: Wrong millenia
[13:47] <KyleYankan> :-P
[13:47] <ChinnoDog> I already did join qrz. My call sign is not in their database yet.
[13:47] <KyleYankan> I do need to flesh it out though
[13:48] <ChinnoDog> I just discovered I can not dual monitor and scan at the same time. Sad.
[13:48] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: you dropped! http://qrz.com/db/KK4WIZ
[13:49] <KyleYankan> WIZ KID! :-)
[13:49] <jedijf> KyleYankan: did you hear our u of p qso this morning - paul in chester wants to play with pi and his repeater - you can help with this
[13:50] <jedijf> he has 2 repeaters currently - a 440 and a 220
[13:50] <KyleYankan> jedijf: nah, I was busy trying to fix my phone most of the morning
[13:50] <jedijf> who needs phones
[13:50] <KyleYankan> but I'm in. Anything I can do to help
[13:51] <jedijf> KyleYankan: did you close?
[13:51] <KyleYankan> jedijf: nope.
[13:51] <jedijf> whens next go round
[13:51] <KyleYankan> thursday, if the underwriters can confirm everything today.
[13:51] <KyleYankan> It's taken them over a week to confirm one small deposit.
[13:51] <jedijf> cool; good luck
[13:51] <KyleYankan> we keep playing the "one more thing" game.
[13:52] <KyleYankan> Sorry to vent. Thanks :-)
[13:52] <jedijf> do the write the letter routine?
[13:52] <jedijf> i told you
[13:52] <jedijf> they see/question everything....
[13:52] <KyleYankan> letters, receipts, paystub, etc They even talked to the cashier who cashed the check.
[13:53] <jedijf> like you're selling dope and and depositting cash
[13:53] <KyleYankan> there might even be one in here, reading this. O_O
[13:53] <jedijf> don't deposit the dope $ KyleYankan
[13:54] <KyleYankan> QRZ needs a "friends" feature
[13:55] <jedijf> they have it, it's called 'contacts'
[13:55] <jedijf> geez - this generation
[13:55] <jedijf> i should log a contact with kk4wiz and put IRC
[13:57] <ChinnoDog> I can't hit that repeater so moot until I ressolve.
[13:58] <jedijf> i'll search irlp eventually and pop into a repeater you can hit and we'll qso
[13:58] <jedijf> or allstar even
[13:59] <ChinnoDog> I programmed the national simplex frequencies into my radio. Does anyone ever use those?
[13:59] <jedijf> haha good ham - also progran another, so if you do make a contact you can move to another off of the national
[13:59] <waltman> mmm, ham
[14:00] <ChinnoDog> I don't think I need to do that. On 2m I will just add or subtract 15khz
[14:00] <ChinnoDog> I forget if I can move up or down on 70cm
[14:00] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: apparently old days, begore repeaters and repeater book, when you went to a new area, you would call and if heard they would hook you up with info
[14:00] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: you can
[14:01] <KyleYankan> Calling Freqs are still used in some areas. It's kind of hit or miss though. Good for unknown areas / travelling
[14:01] <KyleYankan> some folks monitor it for emergencies
[14:01] <KyleYankan> Kinda like CB channel 9
[14:01] <jedijf> also, if mobile and another ham sees your antenna they may flash 5 fingers then 2 to tell you to simplex to chat
[14:02] <ChinnoDog> What does 5 + 2 mean?
[14:02] <ChinnoDog> I mean, what does that stand for exactly?
[14:02] <jedijf> what are the national simplex frequencies?
[14:02] <ChinnoDog> oh. 146.52
[14:02] <jedijf> see
[14:03]  * jedijf learned that friday
[14:03] <jedijf> i sent them to freq one though - middle one
[14:04] <ChinnoDog> .51?
[14:04] <jedijf> f u
[14:04] <ChinnoDog> ??
[14:04] <KyleYankan> ,.|..
[14:04] <jedijf> shot them the finger back
[14:04] <ChinnoDog> oh. lol
[14:05] <ChinnoDog> You mean you did that before you knew what 5+2 meant?
[14:06] <jedijf> just kidding...but friday i learned about 52 - i asked the same question you did
[14:06] <jedijf> friday on n3kz they let me play noob hour and ask questions and then they answered
[14:07] <jedijf> amateurs are a real helpful bunch, at least the n3kz guys - loan each other radios, help with antennas - cool folk
[14:08] <jedijf> w3wan folk too - we have a little email thing going on about linux and radio
[14:08] <jedijf> setting them up for fosscon attendance
[14:12] <KyleYankan> i need to move the 911 project off to a BBB or another machine today
[14:17] <ChinnoDog> There are a lot of clubs around here. I need more intel on them before I select one. Is evesdropping on the nets the best way?
[14:21] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: that's a start - but visiting is best - nets are kinda lame -
[14:22] <jedijf> w3wan has a breakfast this saturday somewhere - fire house iirc - next to old time diner - one day i'm gonna fieldtrip - me and sal nc3u want to go down
[14:22] <jedijf> tim (one of the core 13) and jerry kb3oil usually attend
[14:22] <ChinnoDog> I don't want any meetings in assisted living.
[14:23] <jedijf> it is what it is - they are good people - got to take what you can get
[14:24] <jedijf> sanford kb3kva uses a pi and a dvap and his ht id31 to dstar at home
[14:24] <jedijf> they're progressive and old
[14:25] <KyleYankan> thats not a bad idea
[14:25] <KyleYankan> like a personal repeater that adds functionality
[14:25] <ChinnoDog> My radio is crying "low voltage" lol
[14:25] <jedijf> that's annoying
[14:25] <ChinnoDog> Like every 5 seconds. How am I supposed to use it while it is yelling at me like that?
[14:25] <jedijf> she doesn't shut up
[14:25] <KyleYankan> i turned voice off
[14:25] <ChinnoDog> Every 5 minutes would be enough, not every 5 seconds
[14:25] <ChinnoDog> How do you do that??
[14:26] <jedijf> you think it would stop when you transmit - she doesn't
[14:26]  * ChinnoDog looks at manual
[14:26] <KyleYankan> ChinnoDog: menu option 14
[14:26] <jedijf> they tell me that's better than the $300 ht's that just STOP
[14:28] <ChinnoDog> Now it beeps instead of saying "low voltage"
[14:28] <KyleYankan> my old fire department HT's did that. PITA.
[14:28] <ChinnoDog> stopping would be better jedijf
[14:29] <ChinnoDog> Then I could use my entire battery before the radio becomes unusable
[14:30] <jedijf> oh, the batterys are pretty good too - get a decent amount of time
[14:32] <ChinnoDog> It is charging now. I've had the radio on most of the day since Mon morning so that isn't bad.
[14:39] <lazypower> Morning everyone
[14:58] <ChinnoDog> morning
[15:53] <JonathanD> I was thinking I could go for a salad...
[15:53] <JonathanD> checking out saladworks,  which is nearby.
[15:53] <JonathanD> THen I noticed the <marquee> tag on their site :P
[15:53] <JonathanD> Not sure if I can trust them now
[15:57] <KyleYankan> JonathanD: http://www2.warnerbros.com/spacejam/movie/jam.htm
[15:57] <JonathanD> That looks fine to me.
[15:58] <JonathanD> brilliant design.
[19:07] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: we have to get ssweeny licensed
[19:08] <ChinnoDog> How are we going to do that?
[19:08] <ssweeny> what am i licensed to do now?
[19:08] <ChinnoDog> party
[19:08] <jedijf> ham amateur radio
[19:08] <ChinnoDog> same
[19:09] <ssweeny> i don't have time for the hobbies i already have
[19:09] <ChinnoDog> Now you can not have time for this one too.
[19:09] <jedijf> ditto
[19:10] <jedijf> just like me
[19:10] <jedijf> actually for me its a 3fer
[19:10] <jedijf> linux embedded rf
[19:11] <jedijf> so maybe i can actually /do/ something
[19:12] <waltman> ssweeny: kill
[19:14] <ssweeny> waltman, no one was supposed to know about that
[19:20] <waltman> then why did you ask?
[20:40] <jedijf> k3yle KyleYankan great qso - lan is the man - you're getting known - ham cred
[20:59] <ChinnoDog> "...most of the country doesn't really care about New Jersey anyway..." -overheard on a local repeater
[23:25] <jthan> ANy of you avid nginx fans?
[23:25] <jthan> I am struggle bussing hardcore
[23:42] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: new antenna arrived
[23:46] <KyleYankan> thanks jedijf
[23:46] <KyleYankan> Also, closed. I'ma homeowner. Suddenly I have an interest in property value.
[23:46]  * KyleYankan off
[23:48] <JonathanD> 15~a5


[23:14] <jc> badazz3s: Some of the others work a little better.
[23:14] <ganastasiou> dmsuperman i tried to put sth in fstab
[23:14] <ganastasiou> but it doesnt work
[23:14] <unf> farruinn, ive been told at #python that mod_python is not recomended... :S
[23:14] <bwayne> daves111: what sort of errors are ou getting?
[23:14] <Jack_Sparrow> eric, we prefer to keep it in channel for your benifit and the benefit of others
[23:14] <ganastasiou> i think its sth else
[23:14] <unf> farruinn, thank you :D
[23:14] <eric> ok
[23:14] <badazz3s> i had to use ndiswrapper i wanted to get fwcutter working
[23:14] <jc> I have a cisco 350 and it is fully supported.
[23:14] <eric> whatever
[23:14] <dmsuperman> ganastasiou: what was the entry in fstab you tried?
[23:14] <badazz3s> bc i cant use monitor mode
[23:14] <eric> im trying to install samba
[23:15] <sTiVo> Coming at this another way, does anyone know if the AIM SDK for linux works on Ubuntu and if so how?
[23:15] <ganastasiou> w8 to paste it
[23:15] <daves111> do i have to use terminal?
[23:15] <eric> i dont know how to do it because linux blow
[23:15] <eric> s
[23:15] <badazz3s> i plan on getting another mini pci x card thats more compatiable like a atheros chipset
[23:15] <dmsuperman> eric: that's EXACTLY the thing to say in a channel called "#ubuntu"
[23:15] <r0p> please help rt2x00 git
[23:15] <bwayne> daves111:  the gui should report the appropriate errors when you try to upgrade, so no, i don't think so.
[23:15] <badazz3s> lol
[23:15] <Jack_Sparrow> eric, did you have a question.. we have a room for comments and chatter.
[23:15] <eric> well, i just asked it, this is why i dont like this room
[23:15] <Jack_Sparrow> !samba
[23:16] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[23:16] <eric> im trying to install samba
[23:16] <daves111> i can down'load a zipped file and can open it but can't go from there
[23:16] <eric> i downloaded it but there is no install link
[23:16] <farruinn> eric: if irc is too noisy maybe try the forums
[23:16] <eric> im asking
[23:16] <zcat[1]> how to install samba? right-click a folder and choose 'sharing' -- samba and/or nfs will get installed automagically
[23:16] <xim> "You should never use sudo to start graphical applications as root. You should use gksudo to run such programs"  ---------- why is that such a big deal?  the only difference as far as i can tell is that sudo asks for your password in a terminal window and gksudo gives you a dialog box
[23:16] <eric> can you help me ?
[23:16] <Jack_Sparrow> eric, How did you download it.. synaptic, apt-get, aptitude?
[23:17] <eric> i just clicked on download
[23:17] <eric> i dont know
[23:17] <bwayne> daves111:  i'm a little confused.  are you downloading Open Office directly from their website or are you using ubuntu's built in tools to upgrade?
[23:17] <eric> i dont spend hours a day on a computer
[23:17] <zcat[1]> eric: ubuntu is not windows; you do not 'download' stuff. Use synaptic or add/remove
[23:17] <farruinn> xim: some files get their ownership changed to root which means it causes problems for your non-root users
[23:17] <eric> i clicked on download and it downloaded it
[23:17] <hischild> xim, there's more then just the visual difference. gksudo also sets some ownerships and env values.
[23:17] <zcat[1]> download where?
[23:17] <daves111> bwayne: I am trying to upgrade to the newer version of office
[23:17] <thunc> eric: I'm saying neuroscience so we can figure out how to hook brains up to other stuff
[23:18] <zcat[1]> off a webpage?
[23:18] <Jack_Sparrow> eric, that is not the right way to get samba installed.
[23:18] <eric> this was a free computer, i didnt ask for linux
[23:18] <eric> how do i do it?
[23:18] <john126> daves111: You can upgrade to the latest OpenOffice in the Ubuntu repositories by clicking "Reload",  then "Mark All Upgrades", then "Apply". However, this might not be the latest version available. To get the latest from the Openoffice website, go to http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=linuxinteldeb&lang=en-US&version=2.4.0 .  I cannot stand 'linux is toooooo hard' trolls
[23:22] <n-iCe> farruinn,  well It is. ext3 has 33GB free, how do I cut it to assing space to a new partition?
[23:22] <daves111> are there really 1217 people on here?
[23:22] <ganastasiou> dmsuperman i sent u what ive done
[23:22] <bwayne> n-iCe:  that's strange.  try booting into the GParted LiveCD instead of from within the OS.  GParted acts finicky with me sometimes, too.  Try the livecd.
[23:22] <badazz3s> ohh irc
[23:22] <b4l74z4r> is it possible to make gthumb zoom images using the mouse wheel?
[23:22] <ganastasiou> with etc/fstab
[23:22] <xim> hischild + farruinn : i see thanks
[23:22] <D3RGPS31> someone wanna tell me how i login to my registered name xD
[23:22] <dmsuperman> badazz3s: command line irc client. i was working on getting xserver to work right, and rather than re-opening it, i just opened irssi in a tty :D
[23:22] <linduxed_> oooh....did i miss a troll?
[23:22] <D3RGPS31> (in this IRC)
[23:22] <dmsuperman> ganastasiou: I have no private messages
[23:22] <dmsuperman> linduxed_: totally
[23:23] <john126> daves111: that's the number of people signed on, but a lot are probably browsing the web at the same time, and aren't watching the new messages
[23:23] <J-Unit> wen will hardy cd's be available in shipit? usually wen its almost out u can preorder them...wat happened?
[23:23] <n-iCe> bwayne, I don't have blank cd's is there other way?
[23:23] <dmsuperman> D3RGPS31: /msg nickserv identify YOURPASSWORD
[23:23] <bwayne> D3RGPS31: should be ' /msg NickServ IDENTIFY yourpasswd'
[23:23] <ganastasiou>  when i give in console fdisk -l
[23:23] <ganastasiou>  the result is this:
[23:23] <ganastasiou>  Disk /dev/hda: 60.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>0 bytes
[23:23] <ganastasiou>  255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 7296 cylinders
[23:23] <ganastasiou>  Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[23:23] <FloodBot1> ganastasiou: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:23] <ganastasiou>  Disk identifier: 0x00006a32
[23:23] <dmsuperman> D3RGPS31: assuming you're already logged in as that user
[23:23] <linduxed_> dmsuperman: darn...those make good days golden
[23:23] <dmsuperman> linduxed_: haha, agreed
[23:23] <Jack_Sparrow> n-iCe, you can dl the iso and use iso2usb to create a bootable usb..
[23:23] <RedScar1> anyone on hardy?
[23:23] <cyka> yo
[23:24] <n-iCe> :/ can't I part without reboot?
[23:24] <hischild> !hardy | RedScar1
[23:24] <ubotu> RedScar1: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[23:24] <zcat[1]> they just totally annoy me.. I don't like wasting time trying to help someone who is simply tying to make linux look difficult
[23:24] <cyka> anyone know how to make the desktop animated under KDE 3.5?
[23:24] <bwayne> RedScar1: /join #ubuntu+1   :-)
[23:24] <RedScar1> no kidding, is anyone using the beta?
[23:24] <cyka> i've done it once by mistake
[23:24] <dmsuperman> !fish | doesThisWork?
[23:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fish - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:24] <cyka> and don't know how i did it
[23:24] <dmsuperman> haha, nice
[23:24] <ganastasiou>  when i give in console fdisk -l
[23:24] <ganastasiou>  the result is this:
[23:24] <ganastasiou>  Disk /dev/hda: 60.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>0 bytes
[23:24] <ganastasiou>  255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 7296 cylinders
[23:24] <ganastasiou>  Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[23:24] <FloodBot1> ganastasiou: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:24] <ganastasiou>  Disk identifier: 0x00006a32
[23:24] <daves111> john126 - what does the 126 stand for?
[23:24] <hischild> RedScar1, then go to #ubuntu+1.
[23:24]  * zcat[1] is using the beta ... BTW don't update today -- major breakage
[23:24] <dmsuperman> haha you think he'd learn
[23:24] <linduxed_> anyway
[23:24] <farruinn> msg ganastasiou try posting to a pastebin
[23:25] <farruinn> whops
[23:25] <zcat[1]> !botsnack
[23:25] <ubotu> Yum!  Is it somewhat painless to get MS Office 2007 running on Ubuntu?
[23:26] <thunc> dmsuperman: and their following "cults". Me personally, I was born on Win, on 3.1. And have come to prefer Ubuntu. I hardly use p2p anymore as I only dl individual songs anymore, and use torrents for large files. I only use word processors when I create resume, and god willing I won't have to for a while.
[23:26] <zcat[1]> dmsuperman: super-painful...
[23:26] <farruinn> cyka: maybe in #kubuntu
[23:26] <ganastasiou> http://pastebin.com/m3dc9959e
[23:26] <dmsuperman> zcat[1]: I don't mean painful as in "my life is being drained, i've got the MS all in my ubuntu"
[23:26] <dmsuperman> :P
[23:26] <cyka> t
[23:27] <dmsuperman> is thunc a bot?
[23:27] <thunc> dmsuperman: i'm not about little yellows. also this is a bot
[23:27] <dmsuperman> haha wtf
[23:27] <daves111> thanks, folks; I'll try that and see what happens; i copied your notes
[23:27] <zcat[1]> dmsuperman: MSFT don't go out of their way to avoid undocumented API's in windows.. so I would expect a lot of pain getting any MS software working in wine
[23:28] <Xiol> dmsuperman: can you run XP in a VM and run it in there? prob easier than messing with Wine, even if that is possible. I do agree tho, Office 2007 kicks ass!
[23:28] <linduxed_> anyone aware what can be done if ubuntu decides to after random amounts of time (although generally after about half an hour or so) to during half a minute or less slow down progressively to a total lockdown (often everything apart from frozen screen and mouse movement, even keyboard dies)
[23:28] <D3RGPS31> wooo! back and my sound still fails me =D
[23:28] <dmsuperman> I'd rather not run a whole vm just for office
[23:28] <ChrisULM> zcat[1], getting MS office to work in wine is very easy man. have you even attempted it?
[23:28] <ganastasiou> dmsuperman u saw the pastebin?
[23:28] <BritGuy> The contents of the /etc/resolve.conf file are as follows: nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>, search <IP_ADDRESS>, domain home - but I am unable to get an internet connection from Linux
[23:28] <zcat[1]> ChrisULM: it is?!! No, I never tried it.. I've tried a few simple games though and never had any luck
[23:29] <Iburnaga> Hello.
[23:29] <zcat[1]> I did get WoW running in wine.. my one big achievement!
[23:29] <Action_Hank> Hi, everyone
[23:29] <BritGuy> Does anyone know if this is normal for the resolve.conf file, my router's IP address is <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:29] <zcat[1]> BritGuy: sounds very very normal
[23:29] <Jack_Sparrow> BritGuy, standard router ip
[23:29] <jokie> ?
[23:30] <amenado> BritGuy-> paste your ifconfig; cat /etc/resolv.conf  ;  route -n    <-- how about the route table?
[23:30] <D3RGPS31> anyone experiance MT370*'s problems with ubuntu, being no sound?
[23:30] <sTiVo> now found five of six libraries needed.  where is libnssckbi.so supposed to  come from
[23:30] <zcat[1]> BritGuy: standard rfc1918 address
[23:30] <Action_Hank> I wonder if you all can help me--I can't boot the live CD on my new computer.  I've tried several versions...
[23:30] <D3RGPS31> Action, is your BIOS set to boot from CD?
[23:30] <BritGuy> Hi amenado, is "route" the command?
[23:30] <Jack_Sparrow> Action_Hank, At start or install press F6 and remove Quiet and Splash from the command line. If it still fails.. Repeat and after removing quiet and splash add noapic acpi=off before the "--"
[23:31] <amenado> BritGuy-> yes.  route -n
[23:31] <zcat[1]> BritGuy: you may need 'sudo route -n' if /sbin isn't in your normal path
[23:31] <Action_Hank> yes; I reach the boot menu on the disc, but starting the live CD just makes the computer hang on the splash screen.  I've checked the media for errors, too.
[23:31] <zcat[1]> or /sbin/route
[23:31] <farruinn> sTiVo: looks like libnss3-0d
[23:31] <BritGuy> Ok I will give that a go, I feel like i've tried everything here lol
[23:32] <BritGuy> Thanks zcat
[23:32] <dmsuperman> ganastasiou: on the phone, back in a sec
[23:32] <Action_Hank> @ Jack - Okay, I'll try that.
[23:32] <zcat[1]> BritGuy: this is a network where windows 'just works' with the default network settings?
[23:32] <amenado> BritGuy-> paste your ifconfig; cat /etc/resolv.conf  ;  route -n    <--in pastebin please so we all can see, and easier reading
[23:32] <BritGuy> Yep I'm in windows now with just defaults and it picks up IP address and DNS from the router
[23:33] <amenado> BritGuy-> you can compare what you have in windows to one in ubuntu by..
[23:33] <amenado> BritGuy-> ipconfig ;  netstat -ran,
[23:33] <zcat[1]> BritGuy: well, it should work the same way in Linux ..
[23:33] <orudie> can anyone recommend a VPS provider with ubuntu ?
[23:33] <daves111> > how do i get to ubuntu repositories
[23:33] <J-Unit> "World Clock Applet
[23:33] <J-Unit> Integrating the features of the intlclock applet, the GNOME panel clock in Beta can display the time and weather in multiple locations. " ...thats for hardy, how can i get this in gutsy?
[23:34] <zcat[1]> daves111: synaptic
[23:34] <ChrisULM> daves111, open synaptic
[23:34] <zcat[1]> J-Unit: backports, perhaps? not sure
[23:34] <BritGuy> It should but it's not, I don't no what else to tell you lol
[23:34] <sam827> can anyone help me with installing ubuntu on a MacBook
[23:34] <ChrisULM> daves111, system > administration >synaptic
[23:34] <J-Unit> zcat[1], wats that and how can i make sure?
[23:34] <funkja> I am connecting to an ftp server and trying to download a file. The number of bytes that it says it receives is more then the size of the file. What could be causing this? It happens consistently.
[23:34] <J-Unit> zcat[1], my gf is in spain and i rely would like to have her time thing there
[23:35] <sTiVo> faruinn - no that isn't it.
[23:35] <daves111> ok, thanks
[23:35] <spine55> sam827: I thought you conuldn't do that
[23:35] <crhybuntu> How do I get jackd and ardour setup for recording?
[23:35] <kitche> funkja: bad connection to the download server
[23:35] <sam827> you can, i've seen it done
[23:35] <sam827> spine55: many use it
[23:35] <crhybuntu> I can't get ardour to record, and I have a feeling it's because I don't have jackd running properly.
[23:35] <StPatrick> Ok Ubuntu, I have a strange strange problem.
[23:35] <dmsuperman> oh sweet jesus
[23:35] <spine55> sam827: sweet
[23:35] <funkja> kitche: okay...
[23:35] <dmsuperman> i never thought the hardware usage was THAT much better in ubuntu
[23:36] <Boohbah> crhybuntu: try qjackctl
[23:36] <gilster32> some want to give me a hand with an mp3 player i have here...?
[23:36] <dmsuperman> i usually use about 1.1 - 1.3 gb of ram at any given time in xp
[23:36] <sam827> so.. can anyone help me with installing Gutsy on a MacBook?
[23:36] <zcat[1]> BritGuy: well, I'd check that the IP is correct (ifconfig eth0) and that you can ping the router. Then I'd check that you can resolve an address .. one thing I have run into is dns-proxying routers that return non-standard replies. Windows seems OK with it, Linux tends to resolve everything to <IP_ADDRESS> which doesn't work too well
[23:36] <dmsuperman> granted, i'm running quite a few programs
[23:36] <Boohbah> crhybuntu: that stuff is very tricky, struggled with it myself
[23:36] <dmsuperman> but now, i'm only using 385 mb
[23:36] <crhybuntu> I've done it before, but it was over a year ago....
[23:36] <crhybuntu> :/
[23:36] <dmsuperman> and my cpu stays at or below 2%
[23:36] <Chief> Free Radio at   http://www.dollar.ath.cx   when your here lookin for help, why not listen to music?
[23:36] <sam827> I have tried using Disk Utility to create a new partition, but it fails
[23:36] <funkja> kitche: the correct answer was I was using ASCII transfer when I needed to do a binary one. Thanks though.
[23:36] <D3RGPS31> ALSA won't work with my MT3707 sound card after I formatted, it worked before, what should I do?
[23:37] <bwayne> sam827:  what sort of error does the DU give you?
[23:37] <Boohbah> dmsuperman: better find something to occupy your cpu
[23:37] <bwayne> dmsuperman: you need folding@home.  :-)
[23:37] <gilster32> i got a nice little RCA mp3 flash player but it only does MTP mode. I am trying to find a way to get it picked up by some audio program. either banshee, exaile, whatever. I cant get it to go. my lsusb does show the device....what can i do?
[23:37] <sam827> bwayne: h/o
[23:37] <dmsuperman> boohbah: i'm trying to get office 2007 installed ;)
[23:38] <sam827> bwayne: Partition failed for disk (null)  No space left on device
[23:38] <zcat[1]> dmsuperman: you might get better help on #winehq
[23:38] <crhybuntu> Going with qjackctl
[23:38] <bwayne> sam827:  ah.  you have no free space on your drive.  need to clear some up.
[23:38] <dmsuperman> zcat[1]: I was just saying that in response to "better find something to occupy your cpu"
[23:38] <zcat[1]> hmm, 'k
[23:39] <sam827> bwayne: firstly, I'm on leopard. u are supposed to be able to nondestructively resize with it
[23:39] <moDumass> arrrrhhhhh, still "looking up www.google.com...
[23:39] <bwayne> sam827:  not if there isn't enough free space.  :-)
[23:39] <moDumass> why gosh darnit why????
[23:39] <sam827> bwayne: what i do before the error comes is click the little plus and make room for it by shrinking my Mac HD
[23:39] <dmsuperman> anyone know how i might set a hotkey to use the windows key as modifer? i want to use winkey + t for terminal, and winkey + g for gedit, etc.
[23:40] <zcat[1]> moDumass: <IP_ADDRESS>  ;)
[23:40] <RoC_MasterMind> moDumass, sounds like you don't have an internet connection, or your DNS is down.
[23:40] <dmsuperman> however when i go to hit winkey in the keyboard shortcuts screen, it just puts "Super L"
[23:40] <bwayne> sam827:  how much free space do you have on your disk?
[23:40] <zcat[1]> RoC_MasterMind: rule out the first one, he's on IRC :)
[23:40] <gilster32> anyone here know how to get MTP players connected?
[23:40] <kitche> funkyHat: or just use auto mode which is what most do so they do not have to worry about it :)
[23:40] <RoC_MasterMind> zcat[1], hahaha...that's true.
[23:40] <dmsuperman> i love how going to google.com is a 100% guarenteed way to see if you have internet
[23:41] <moDumass> hmmm, ip isnt working either, but i have intenret, ktorrent is still crankin along
[23:41] <bwayne> dmsuperman:  right on.  i ping google nearly daily.
[23:41] <zcat[1]> moDumass: sounds like dns is broke somehow
[23:41] <moDumass> and pidgin is good
[23:41] <sam827> bwayne: I am running both Windows and MacOSX, but on my mac partition i've got 47 gigs free
[23:41] <LSG> bwayne: Same here
[23:41] <moDumass> zcat[1] yeh i think it may be, but, the ip shouldnt need to be translated
[23:41] <gaucho> Hello! I'm having problems with my microphone on gutsy! A can hear my voice very good, but When I try to record it on audacity or gnome sound recorder, the volume goes too small.. I can hear me really bad.. What can I do?
[23:42] <zcat[1]> moDumass: mtr -n <IP_ADDRESS> and see if there's a useable route
[23:43] <moDumass> zcat, what should i see
[23:43] <bwayne> sam827:  so you go into Disk Utility, Click on the entire drive, and then click 'Partition'.  I that how you're doing it?
[23:43] <moDumass> 15 IPs all giving stats
[23:43] <sam827> bwayne: yep
[23:43] <bwayne> sam827: and you click on the Macintosh HD, and then click + ?  What happens then?
[23:44] <dmsuperman> anybody know how to use windows key as a modifier, and not as "Super L", for keyboard shortcuts?
[23:44] <Boohbah> gaucho: did you turn up the level on the mixer?
[23:44] <sam827> bwayne: I'm able to do it, but when I click apply it tries for 10 minutes then reports the error
[23:44] <Boohbah> the mic level
[23:44] <gaucho> yes, it is at max!
[23:44] <StPatrick> Ok, here we go. I just finally got my Wifi card working, and now it doesnt connect to any networks. Why not?
[23:45] <Boohbah> obviously it's not working
[23:45] <bascule> there is a +20dB gain IIRC for mics
[23:45] <bwayne> sam827: hmm ... I'll need to see *exactly* the error you're given.
[23:45] <moDumass> zcat[1] this is what i get back
[23:45] <moDumass> zcat[1] http://pastebin.com/d45a78fb1
[23:46] <LSG> dmsuperman: Did you try setting it in keyboard shortcuts?
[23:46] <CloudFX> how do i get OpenPGP keys?
[23:46] <sam827> bwayne: my readout from the log file is:
[23:46] <sam827> 2008-04-10 16:34:59 -0400: Disk Utility started.
[23:46] <sam827> 2008-04-10 16:40:33 -0400: Preparing to partition disk: “ST9160821AS Media”
[23:46] <sam827> 2008-04-10 16:40:33 -0400: 	Partition Scheme: GUID Partition Table
[23:46] <sam827> 2008-04-10 16:40:33 -0400: 	2 volumes will be created
[23:46] <FloodBot1> sam827: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:46] <sam827> 2008-04-10 16:40:33 -0400:
[23:46] <dogmeat> upgrade to fiesty fawn, success!
[23:46] <bascule> Front Mic Boost and Front Mic
[23:46] <dmsuperman> LSG: as soon as i press Windows Key, it just sets the hotkey to "Super L"
[23:46] <dogmeat> upgrade to gusty, success!
[23:46] <dmsuperman> LSG: I want to use it in combination, like winkey + l
[23:47] <Boohbah> dogmeat: one more upgrade to go before you're using modern software
[23:47] <Iburnaga> Hey does anyone here know how to fix Gurb error 22? I have the data from sudo fdisk -lu
[23:48] <BritGuy> Hello, I have uploaded the contents of my routing table to pastebin, does this look normal, I still cannot get an Internet connection.  Thanks
[23:48] <LSG> dmsuperman: You're right...i can't seem to get it to work either. Maybe use another combination?
[23:48] <CloudFX> anyone?
[23:48]  * chalcedony smiles
[23:48] <sam827>  bwayne: sorry about that
[23:49] <danny> hallo
[23:49] <BritGuy> I must be close to fixing this by now, i've tried everything lol
[23:49] <dmsuperman> LSG: I want to use winkey ;)
[23:49] <sam827> bwayne: btw, that was the wrong one. the real one is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62781/
[23:49] <someone23> iburnaga: i probably dont, but if you had two hard drived in your PC and took one out, you probably need to put it back in
[23:49] <BritGuy> I posted mine to pastebin.com
[23:50] <sam827> bwayne: yt?
[23:50] <Iburnaga> I had an external with the old ubuntu installed on it, I deleted the partition with a windows program and now I can't get anywhere XD So I'll just wait.
[23:50] <someone23> thats all i know about grub. I would tell you to reinstall grub (there's a way of doing that in UBuntu LIVE, but i would hate toi be called "captain obvious"
[23:51] <dmsuperman> LSG: Darn, it's an official bug
[23:51] <bwayne> sam827:  yeah, it appears to give it its best shot for almost 20 minutes and then just dies.  I'll google around some for you.
[23:51] <sam827> bwayne: thanks
[23:51] <Iburnaga> I also keep getting the too small error every time I try to put Ubuntu anywhere, I'm on a live cd right now XD
[23:51] <LSG> dmsuperman: Try this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/45589
[23:52] <someone23> iburnage, but yeah, GRUB likes to put parts of itself on every harddrive it finds, and wont work unless all the HDDs are plugged in (at least form my experience.
[23:52] <StPatrick> Attention Ubuntu, I am in search of someone very patient to help me muddle through some things in linux which I am just barely beginning to understand. Anyone up for a challenge?
[23:52] <someone23> iburnaga, but yeah, GRUB likes to put parts of itself on every harddrive it finds, and wont work unless all the HDDs are plugged in (at least form my experience.
[23:52] <zcat[1]> StPatrick: we're all very patient here.. :)
[23:53] <rsc___> hello guys. is there a way to disable the password prompt after I wakeup my computer after suspend?
[23:53] <someone23> hey, anybody ever have their mouse completely disappear after restarting the X-server with CTRL+ALT+BACKSPCE
[23:53] <StPatrick> zcat[1], you volunteering?
[23:53] <someone23> ?
[23:53] <StPatrick> zcat[1], :P
[23:53] <zcat[1]> rsc___: screensaver/power namagement options I think
[23:53] <moDumass> so i have internet, it seems firefox is being punnished though
[23:53] <chalcedony> my husband has KDE gutsy, i have ubuntu feisty, we are trying to share a printer. I had it working for my computer, but whatever he did disabled it. he wants me to get the kde control module, instead of what i have on gnome. will that work, also can i download that with command line, apt-get?
[23:53] <BritGuy> Does anyone have any idea if the routing table i posted on pastebin.com looks normal?
[23:53] <bwayne> Iburnaga: I got that error once when my second hard drive wasn't anywhere in the boot order in my BIOS.
[23:53] <rsc___> hehe, non, zcat.
[23:53] <zcat[1]> StPatrick: actually I'm just about to go out :)
[23:53] <StPatrick> zcat[1],  Yea......
[23:53] <StPatrick> Attention Ubuntu, I am in search of someone very patient to help me muddle through some things in linux which I am just barely beginning to understand. Anyone up for a challenge?
[23:54] <CloudFX> just say your question..
[23:54] <zcat[1]> !ask | StPatrick
[23:54] <ubotu> StPatrick: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[23:54] <StPatrick> zcat[1],  The problem with that is that i get about 6 people all giving me different answers ;(
[23:54] <zcat[1]> StPatrick: yeah, that happens ...
[23:54] <ChrisULM> what is the question.....
[23:54] <Boohbah> chalcedony: you should just switch to kde, it's much nicer
[23:55] <dmsuperman> StPatrick: Try em all til it works :D
[23:55] <Jack_Sparrow> Boohbah, Not nice...
[23:55] <StPatrick> I just got my wifi working. but I cannot connect to any networks.
[23:55] <StPatrick> I dont know why
[23:55] <someone23> I agree, kde rocks, GNOME IS THE WORST
[23:55] <Aggrav8d> hello, everybody!  Would someone please tell me where I'd go for some help with paypal IPN integration?
[23:55] <zcat[1]> StPatrick: Might also be a good idea to see if there's a LUG nearby and get some hands-on help and guidance that way
[23:55] <dmsuperman> chalcedony: don't lie, it's impossible for a girl to use linux. PARADOX!!!
[23:55] <LSG> <3 Gnome!
[23:55] <dmsuperman> note: sarcasm included
[23:55] <StPatrick> a LUG?
[23:55] <Jack_Sparrow> someone23, Try staying on topic please
[23:56] <zcat[1]> Linux Users Group
[23:56] <BritGuy> I could do with devine guidance I think, with this network connection lol
[23:56] <bwayne> sam827: no luck with google.  try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook .  Sorry I can't be of any more help.  :-(
[23:56] <chalcedony> dmacnutt: my son is one of the original debian coders.
[23:56] <zcat[1]> dmsuperman: hehe.. my kids (both girls) have been using linux from the beginning ...
[23:56] <ChrisULM> what wifi card are you using?
[23:57] <ganastasiou> dm i did it
[23:57] <MountainD00d> You know, I just decided today that I was going to set up a unix server on an old tower of mine
[23:57] <ganastasiou> with the partition
[23:57] <sam827> bwayne: thanks anyway
[23:57] <StPatrick> Realtek RTL8187b
[23:57] <someone23> Jack_Sparrow: that was in response to "Boohbah>	chalcedony: you should just switch to kde, it's much nicer"
[23:57] <dmsuperman> zcat[1]: EPIC
[23:57] <rsc___> and is there a way for me to run a command when i resume after suspend?
[23:57] <chalcedony> dmsuperman: lol my son is one of the original debian coders.
[23:57] <MountainD00d> Joining this room, I feel very.... inadequate
[23:57] <sam827> bwayne: ill probly end up clean installing l8er2nit
[23:57] <dmsuperman> chalcedony: ditch your husband and marry me
[23:57] <Boohbah> MountainD00d: why?
[23:57] <dmsuperman> chalcedony =P
[23:57] <zcat[1]> dmsuperman: the younger one is our official WLUG penguinsuit-wearer
[23:57] <chalcedony> dmsuperman: you'll get my printer working?
[23:57] <StPatrick> ok then
[23:58] <StPatrick> that settles it
[23:58] <MountainD00d> Boohbah: Well, there is just so much to know. Like... a very, very scary amount
[23:58] <dmsuperman> chalcedony: I'll buy you a new one :D
[23:58] <StPatrick> I'm done with Linux
[23:58] <bwayne> sam827: that *may* be the easiest choice.  When I reinstall, I backup first and then restore stuff once I'm done with the clean install.  I use the program Backup to do this.  Good luck.
[23:58] <Chief> Free Radio at   http://www.dollar.ath.cx   when your here lookin for help, why not listen to music?
[23:58] <invalidsyntax> is therre a restore feature in ubuntu
[23:58] <zcat[1]> StPatrick: if your wifi is working but you can't see any networks, then either there are no networks in range or your wifi isn't really working :)
[23:58] <chalcedony> dmsuperman: i HAVE a new one .. or i wouldn't be here in this mess
[23:58] <sam827> bwayne: i use time machine
[23:58] <dmsuperman> in amarok, how can i make it so double clicking a song in the collection plays it, rather than adds to the list?
[23:58] <StPatrick> zcat[1],  I can see networks. It =just wont connect to any of them
[23:59] <zcat[1]> StPatrick: ahhh, ok.
[23:59] <StPatrick> zcat[1],  Im 4 feet away from the access point, and my other laptop is connected just fine.
[23:59] <sam827> bwayne: this has pissed me off, ive been tryin to do this for like 3 hours
[23:59] <bwayne> sam827: you lucky dog you.  I tried to use TM via SAMBA but couldn't get it working.  I'm not willing to buy a second drive just for the pretty.
[23:59] <sam827> bwayne: yep
[23:59] <bwayne> sam827: when I get pissed at my computer, I take a drive to walmart.
[23:59] <bwayne> always works.
[23:59] <zcat[1]> StPatrick: well, that's a bit odd.. it is open, or encrypted?
[23:59] <sam827> bwayne: haha
[23:59] <StPatrick> zcat[1],  Open.
[23:59] <Iburnaga> PM me if you can help me with my errors ><


[02:09] <John111> Hey!
[02:10] <benonsoftware> Hiya John111
[02:11] <John111> Hello!
[02:11] <John111> Me banned on Ubuntu channel :(
[02:11] <benonsoftware> John111: Contact the ops by seeing he is on /msg ChanServ #channel list
[02:12] <John111> ok
[02:13] <benonsoftware> If it's a core channel (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CoreChannels) contact the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[02:14] <John111> thx


[13:41] <Garheade> Morning all
[13:58] <mhall119> morning Garheade
[13:58] <Garheade> mhall119: as in Michael Hall? I didn't realize you were in FL.
[14:00] <mhall119> Garheade: yup, in between Tampa and Orlando
[14:02]  * Garheade cleary doesn't pay enough attention to G+
[14:05] <Garheade> A quick introduction to myself. I'm a linux user curently hiding from the real world in West Palm.
[14:06] <mhall119> welcome Garheade, there's a lot of activity down in south florida, including an upcoming release party in (I think) delray beach
[14:06] <mhall119> ahoneybun_ can tell you more about it, he's organizing
[14:07] <Garheade> I may have meet ahoneybun_ before, either at FLUX or Delray Tech Space.
[14:08] <Garheade> I know I've met KeithIMyers before.
[14:11] <mhall119> both are pretty awesome guys
[14:12] <mhall119> Garheade: in addition to Ubuntu events, we're also going to be at FOSSETCON again later this year: http://www.fossetcon.org/
[14:12] <mhall119> speaking of which, I should submit talk proposals
[14:16] <Garheade> mhall119: I'm still trying to confirm that I can make it to fossetcon
[14:16] <fsfsmari> I need to call that hotel. TODAY.
[19:15] <ahoneybun> mhall119: Garheade Delray Beach at the awesome Delray Tech Space thanks to the great fsfsmari
[19:16] <ahoneybun> Garheade: I've been to both the DTS and FLUX
[19:16] <ahoneybun> so maybe there
[19:38] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I'm back now if you want to do a hangout
[19:38] <ahoneybun> let try to get fsfsmari!
[19:41] <fsfsmari> I'm down for that!
[19:41] <fsfsmari> Give me fifteen minutes to get home.
[19:43] <Garheade> ahoneybun: fsfsmari says I should be in the hangout for comedic releif.
[19:43] <ahoneybun> Garheade: I don't see a reason against
[19:49] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g32coefahflsmiqgnjwq4vzcbaa?hl=en for anyone who wants to talk about a release party
[19:51] <Garheade> mhall119: I'm on mobile, can you invite me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:52] <mhall119> Garheade: sent
[19:53] <Garheade> Thanks
[21:14] <mhall119> Bryanstein: ping
[21:14] <mhall119> Bryanstein: just wanted to check if we can get a room for UbuCon at FOSSETCON again this year
[21:37] <Nothing_Much> Question.. uh.. would a carrier have to support some form of a smartphone before texting is allowed?
[21:38] <mhall119> no, SMS doesn't require a smartphone
[21:38] <mhall119> now if you want something like Telegram or WhatsApp, then yes
[21:39] <Nothing_Much> well.. what about image texting?
[21:43] <ahoneybun> data usuage
[21:43] <ahoneybun> I know Verizon needs your data to be on to send a picture
[21:43] <ahoneybun> Google Hangouts by passes this
[21:48] <Nothing_Much> well then, quite frankly, MMS shouldn't be a part of data
[22:16] <ahoneybun> Verizon disagress
[22:16] <ahoneybun> *disagrees
[22:51] <Nothing_Much> well darnm
[22:51] <Nothing_Much> darn*
[23:00] <ahoneybun> Nothing_Much: got the big RED?
[23:11] <ahoneybun> mhall119: "Anyone wanting to use Ubuntu needs 'permission' from Canonical to use the project! It's no surprise that SteamOS moved to Debian and Google chose Gentoo OS for OnHub instead of Snappy Ubuntu. I hope Canonical will realize it in time and do something about it. "
[23:11] <ahoneybun> http://www.itworld.com/article/2977002/open-source-tools/former-apple-ceo-launches-stylish-android-phones.html
[23:19] <Nothing_Much> ahoneybun, red?
[23:19] <ahoneybun> Verizon
[23:29] <Nothing_Much> oh no
[23:29] <Nothing_Much> something small
[23:29] <Nothing_Much> but based off big blue
[23:29] <ahoneybun> AT&T
[23:29] <ahoneybun> ?
[23:30] <Nothing_Much> yes
[23:30] <Nothing_Much> well
[23:30] <Nothing_Much> something that runs off of att's network
[23:31] <ahoneybun> Cricket
[23:31] <Nothing_Much> Nope, Consumer Cellular
[23:31] <ahoneybun> oh ok


[04:07] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:58] <Hobbsee> hi all
[06:28] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings/Minutes
[06:28] <nixternal> doctored that up a bit...easy to create a page now, and i created a "Meeting Minutes Template" for it to use as well, actually for everyone to use
[06:28] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings/MinutesTemplate
[06:28] <nixternal> ^^ template
[06:29] <nixternal> i will be working on the minutes in a bit for the last meeting..it is going to take a while, there was a lot on the plate at the past meeting
[07:35] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[07:35] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal
[07:36] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings/Minutes has gotten a face lift
[07:36] <nixternal> and with help of my girlfriend ->  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings/MinutesTemplate
[07:36] <nixternal> with the*
[07:37] <nixternal> i need a new keyboard, this one makes me forget words ;)
[07:37] <Hobbsee> nixternal: looks good
[07:37] <Hobbsee> ehe
[07:37] <nixternal> the template alright you think?
[07:37] <Hobbsee> yeah, looks good to me
[07:37] <Hobbsee> i dont touch doco, remember?
[07:38] <nixternal> hehe, well she was talking about "Meeting Minutes" today that her secretary does for their board meetings, and i was like, how do they look
[07:38] <nixternal> so she emailed me a copy, and wallah ;)
[07:40] <imbrandon> heh i also changed the link to make a new one at the bottom to nixternal
[07:40] <imbrandon> err put it at the bottom
[07:40] <imbrandon> looked kinda funny "create new page" right at the top
[07:40] <nixternal> only problem though, is it will get pushed down, and people won't notice it after a while
[07:40] <nixternal> that is why all doc stuff puts "creates" up top
[07:41] <imbrandon> umm its used less then ppl visiting
[07:41] <imbrandon> IE its only used once ever 2 weeks where as people vist the minutes alot more
[07:42] <nixternal> true
[10:05] <insanekane> are all the dapper code compiled with gcc 4.0.3 ?
[10:05] <insanekane> all the libs i mean ?
[10:06] <imbrandon> root@voyager:/# gcc -v
[10:06] <imbrandon> Using built-in specs.
[10:06] <imbrandon> Target: i486-linux-gnu
[10:06] <imbrandon> Configured with: ../src/configure -v --enable-languages=c,c++,java,f95,objc,ada,treelang --prefix=/usr --enable-shared --with-system-zlib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix --enable-nls --program-suffix=-4.0 --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-java-awt=gtk-default --enable-gtk-cairo --with-java-home=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.4.2-gcj-4.0-<IP_ADDRESS>/jre --enab
[10:06] <imbrandon> checking=release i486-linux-gnu
[10:06] <imbrandon> Thread model: posix
[10:06] <imbrandon> gcc version 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)
[10:06] <imbrandon> root@voyager:/#
[10:06] <imbrandon> ^^ should be compiled with that, thats from a dapper pbuilder
[10:07] <insanekane> imbrandon: have you ever seen a QShared segfault ?
[10:07] <imbrandon> nope , cant say i have
[10:08] <insanekane> imbrandon: i'm getting this wierd error on running a Qt app ... i've seen the error before, and it was due to compiler mismatch ... but this time around, all the libs on my system use 4.0.3, and I get the same error
[10:09] <imbrandon> hrm , can you tell me the app and pastebin the error ? cant garentee i can help but we'll see ;)
[10:29] <chmj> ping Riddell
[10:29] <chmj> errr
[10:29] <chmj> Riddell: ping
[10:29] <Riddell> hi chmj
[10:29] <chmj> hey dude
[10:29] <chmj> got a menute
[10:29] <chmj> ?
[10:31] <imbrandon> heh
[10:38] <insanekane> imbrandon: sorry for the late response ... i was about to pastebin it when konqui crashed on me ... back online now, and will pastebing
[10:40] <insanekane> imbrandon: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZlFhAN81.html
[10:44] <insanekane> imbrandon: any ideas ?
[11:02] <insanekane> imbrandon: are you around ?
[11:02] <imbrandon> doh sorry , was afk
[11:03] <insanekane> imbrandon: np
[11:03] <imbrandon> ouch hrm, yea i have zero idea tbh Riddell might be able to muster something else more up if he has time
[11:04] <insanekane> imbrandon: i strongly doubt that the bt has any useful info anyway ...
[11:04] <imbrandon> right
[11:05] <insanekane> the very same error occurred the last time ... and it was fixed by a recompile :) (due to compiler mismatch) ...
[11:05] <insanekane> but now, there isnt any chance of mismatch
[11:05] <imbrandon> yea gcc hasent been changed in dapper that i am aware of
[11:05] <insanekane> because, i have compiled Qt and this app with the same compiler ... gcc 4.0.3
[11:07] <imbrandon> Riddell: how much of a pita would it be to get ipodslave in main , so k-d-s can be set ipod:/ when you click the icon on the desktop ( and will amarok use ipodslave if its avaible too afaik from reading the doc's )
[11:07] <imbrandon> s/and\ will\ amarok/and\ amarok\ will/g
[11:08] <Riddell> probably not too difficult
[11:08] <Riddell> I don't think amarok uses ipodslave
[11:09] <insanekane> Riddell: any ideas on this ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZlFhAN81.html
[11:09] <imbrandon> i read somewhere in the amarok site / docs that it COULD , i dunno , never tried it or looked past that tough
[11:09] <imbrandon> though*
[11:09] <imbrandon> actualy the more i think about it it was in the ipodslave docs i read it when i was doing the libgamin rebuild for it
[11:10] <imbrandon> anyhow no biggie either way, what would need to be done? something i can file ? would you have to do it ? dunno never tried to get an app in main before
[11:11] <Riddell> imbrandon: you coud write the main inclusion report
[11:11] <Riddell> insanekane: iz qt bug?
[11:11] <imbrandon> ok is there a template or past report i can look at to see whats needed ?
[11:12] <insanekane> Riddell: i doubt it
[11:12] <Riddell> imbrandon: see UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[11:12] <imbrandon> okies thanks
[11:12] <Riddell> make a new page called MainInclusionReportIpodslave and use the MainInclusionsReportTemplate
[11:12] <imbrandon> k
[11:18] <imbrandon> Riddell: please tell me an ipod wouldent be considered "exotic" hardware w.r.t " The package should not deal with exotic hardware which we cannot support. " on the check list hehe
[11:18] <Riddell> it wouldn't
[11:18] <imbrandon> k
[11:18] <Riddell> but you could acknowledge that assumption in the report
[11:18] <imbrandon> k
[11:19] <nixternal> my pink ipod is exotic
[11:19] <imbrandon> yea i think enough of our userbase has ipods tbh, we get questions about how to work them using amarok semi regular in #kubuntu
[11:19] <imbrandon> lol @ nixternal
[11:36] <imbrandon> Riddell: is there a progmatic way for my to seach for all the deps to make sure they are in main already without doing it one by one ?
[11:37] <imbrandon> s/my to seach/me to search
[11:43] <imbrandon> nvm mind found a way /me headdesks
[11:48] <imbrandon> Riddell: mind giveing this a once over before i put it in the que https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportIpodslave
[12:14] <Riddell> imbrandon: "Standard debhelper/cdbs/dbs packaging" which?
[12:14] <Riddell> imbrandon: pitti will ask why we want this when we already have amarok
[12:14] <imbrandon> k
[12:15] <imbrandon> yea i'm rediting
[12:15] <Riddell> and he won't let in multiple libpng*,libxft* it'll need to be recompiled against the main version
[12:15] <imbrandon> ok so just leave those off ?
[12:16] <Riddell> see if you can recompile it against the versions of those libraries in main
[12:16] <imbrandon> k
[12:20] <raphink> Riddell: hi
[12:20] <raphink> do you have any idea why the update script in kubuntu-meta will not work?
[12:21] <raphink> I get ImportError: No module named germinate
[12:21] <raphink> although I have installed the germinate package
[12:23] <imbrandon> Riddell: ahh it should compile fine aginst just main packages looking in the control file its all main and ${shlibs:Depends}, i did a apt-cache show before to get the deps
[12:25] <Riddell> raphink: done an apt-get build-dep kubuntu-meta ?
[12:25] <imbrandon> ok Riddell updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportIpodslave
[12:25] <raphink> let's see
[12:27] <raphink> Riddell: doesn't work
[12:27] <raphink> I still get can't find Germinate module
[12:27] <Riddell> imbrandon: you removed the line about what type of packaging it has
[12:27] <Riddell> imbrandon: it still needs to be re-built against main libraries first
[12:28] <imbrandon> no i dident, i updated it to just saud cdbs
[12:28] <imbrandon> says*
[12:28] <Riddell> imbrandon: oh I see, the formatting is broken at that point
[12:28] <imbrandon> err yea lemme fix that, and i'll build it agains main
[12:28] <Riddell> raphink: dapper or edgy?
[12:28] <imbrandon> will it need uploaded after its rebuildt for main ?
[12:28] <raphink> edgy in that case
[12:29] <raphink> I think I had the same with dapper though
[12:29] <raphink> I can check
[12:30] <raphink> works on dapper Riddell
[12:30] <Riddell> raphink: do you have /usr/lib/germinate/Germinate/__init__.py ?
[12:30] <raphink> let's see
[12:30] <raphink> nope
[12:31] <raphink> hmm yes sorry
[12:31] <Riddell> then you don't have germinate installed
[12:31] <raphink> I do
[12:31] <Riddell> hmm
[12:31] <raphink> it's there
[12:31] <Riddell> then you do and it shouldn't complain
[12:32] <raphink> well it does
[12:33] <Sime> Riddell: I just a wiki page up about the media:/ patches.
[12:33] <Sime> Riddell: you've probably seen it.
[12:33] <Sime> :-)
[12:33] <imbrandon> heya Sime
[12:33] <Riddell> KubuntuKDEMedia did land in my inbox
[12:34] <Sime> imbrandon: hi, your .debs seem to work.
[12:35] <imbrandon> Sime: yea , the only bug i found so far is the tabs dont show like in your screenshots ( IE the comp name with otheres hidden )
[12:35] <imbrandon> and ummm
[12:36] <imbrandon> there is an error if you open konq and hit f9 i think it is
[12:36] <imbrandon> when it tries to show system:/
[12:36] <imbrandon> other than that its lookin good
[12:37] <Sime> I'm not familiar with F9.
[12:37] <Sime> what does it do?
[12:37] <imbrandon> just opens system:/
[12:37] <imbrandon> one sec i'ma grab a soda
[12:37] <imbrandon> then i'll give you the exact erorr
[12:37] <raphink> Riddell: I reinstalled germinate on edgy and still get the error
[12:38] <Sime> imbrandon: F9 = Hide Navigation Panel.
[12:38] <Riddell> F9 loads the sidebar
[12:38] <Riddell> raphink: I'm out of ideas I'm afraid
[12:39] <raphink> :(
[12:39] <raphink> does it work on your machine Riddell?
[12:39] <raphink> note that python fails to installs
[12:39] <raphink> upgrade rather
[12:39] <raphink> for a week or so
[12:39] <Sime> imbrandon: F9 seems to work fine here.
[12:40] <imbrandon> kk one sec
[12:40] <Sime> imbrandon: you saw that there is now a wiki page for this?
[12:42] <raphink> the problem is libgcj7
[12:44] <Sime> imbrandon: oh, the comptuer name in the tab I did manually.
[12:44] <Riddell> raphink: yes
[12:44] <imbrandon> Sime: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss2.png
[12:44] <Sime> imbrandon: there is not magic there
[12:44] <Riddell> raphink: could well be a python issue then
[12:44] <raphink> yes I guess
[12:44] <Riddell> raphink: I just did a dist-upgrade today with no notable problems
[12:45] <raphink> really?
[12:45] <Sime> imbrandon: mmm system:/ is broken.
[12:45] <imbrandon> Sime: thats the error i get when trying to open system:/ now ( and it stays blank like that after ok )
[12:45] <raphink> I've had python problems for days
[12:45] <raphink> and if I try to force the install
[12:46] <imbrandon> Sime: yea seems so, no biggie just wanted to let ya know
[12:46] <raphink> it removes debhelper, lintian, kubuntu-desktop and lots of other things
[12:46] <raphink> and I can't put them back
[12:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:47] <raphink> trying again
[12:47] <Sime> imbrandon: "system:/" still works here. Why is yours looking for file:///home?
[12:48] <imbrandon> no idea , heh i have a prettymuch default edgy install, do note that nixternal reporduced it, rather he is the one that showed me
[12:48] <imbrandon> so i dont think its just my system
[12:48] <imbrandon> although i wouldent rult it out hehe
[12:48] <imbrandon> rule*
[12:49] <Sime> sebas: I'm not sure if I can PM you.
[12:50] <sebas> Ah, you probably need to identify with nickserv.
[12:50] <imbrandon> Sime: if you care to prod the source i used ( its default from edgy + your patches )  they are one directory up from the deb url i gave
[12:50] <Sime> I probably needa real nick first.
[12:50] <sebas> Ah :>
[12:50] <Sime> imbrandon: yes, I'll do some hacking on it this week.
[12:50] <imbrandon> kk , just poke me and i'll rebuild anytime
[01:03] <imbrandon> Riddell: do i just put "Rebuilding against main only" in the changelog ?
[01:04] <imbrandon> ipodslave (0.7.3-0ubuntu3) edgy; urgency=low
[01:04] <imbrandon>   * Rebuild for main inclusion.
[01:07] <Riddell> imbrandon: assuming that correctly makes it pick up the correct libraries
[01:07] <imbrandon> yup, looks like it , its finishing up the build now
[01:07] <imbrandon> then i'll test it
[01:12] <Riddell> goldenear: have you seen the thread on kde-doc-i18n about oskar?
[01:13] <goldenear> nop
[01:13] <goldenear> where is it ?
[01:15] <imbrandon> Riddell: ok all builds and works fine against main olny, so upload that now and add the report to the que ?
[01:16] <goldenear> Riddell: where is the thread ?
[01:18] <Riddell> goldenear: on kde-doc-i18n
[01:18] <Riddell> imbrandon: sure
[01:24] <goldenear> Riddell: ok found it :)
[01:24] <imbrandon> okies done and done, do i ping pitti now or does it have to wait for a meeting , or ummm now what hehe
[01:25] <Riddell> imbrandon: nothing, he'll see your edit and get to it when he has time
[01:25] <imbrandon> kk
[02:42] <serzholino> Hi! Is there any plans for updating gtk-qt-engine for dapper?
[02:42] <serzholino> for me breezy's version was much more better in its job
[02:42] <Hobbsee> for dapper?  no.
[02:42] <Hobbsee> for edgy?  quite possibly
[02:42] <serzholino> why not, dapper is LTS
[02:43] <Hobbsee> !release
[02:43] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:43] <Hobbsee> because it's stable, and the features, etc, go into unstable.  check that second link.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> serzholino: which was the current version of the gtk-qt-engine?
[02:44] <serzholino> 0.60-1.1ubuntu7
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Version: 0.70-0ubuntu1 is in dapper.  cool.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> so that's not out of date
[02:46] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee, what's the status of amarok?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: they delayed it.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i got on their mailing list though, and have been talking to them in the channel
[02:47] <serzholino> Hobbsee: hmm.. where i can get it?
[02:48] <serzholino> Hobbsee: 'apt-cache policy gtk2-engines-gtk-qt' shows me only 0.60-1.1ubuntu7
[02:48] <Hobbsee> sorry, in edgy
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hi apachelogger
[03:29] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: ahoy
[03:29] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: got properly added to amarok-packagers list?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: yep :)
[03:30] <apachelogger> k :)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> never been part of a google groups list before
[03:30] <apachelogger> well, IMO it's a lot easier with a gmail account
[03:31] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: true that. i just used my @kubuntu.org one
[03:44] <apachelogger> omg
[03:44] <apachelogger> ksysguardd is missing an init.d script
[03:48] <Riddell> it'll get started by ksysguard
[04:00] <Hobbsee> bugger.  i failed it.
[04:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: I mean for remote usage
[04:06] <apachelogger> btw, whom to bug for a template script, which takes care of usual operations, as check for status etc. ... suse does have such a file, makes writing init scripts a whole lot easier
[04:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: same thing
[04:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: try dh_make
[04:10] <seaLne> is there anything in kubuntu for apport?
[04:10] <Riddell> seaLne: no
[04:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, deamon is not accessible from remote machine if it's started by ksysguard ... and I don't want to have to run ksysguard in backgroun on every machine in the network ;-)
[04:10] <Riddell> mostly because the KDE crash dialogue does most of what apport does
[04:11] <seaLne> ah right i was wondering as it sounds similar
[04:12] <Riddell> seaLne: also if I did a kde-apport we'd just get more bug reports, most of which belong upstream
[04:12] <Riddell> so my plan is to see how it looks in edgy and if it does add something then I'll look at it for edgy+1
[04:13] <seaLne> k
[04:18] <Hobbsee_> what was that?
[04:22] <seaLne> "Introducing automatic crash reporting in Edgy" mail by pitti on ubuntu-devel-announce
[04:41] <Hobbsee> yay!  the evil maths is done!
[04:41] <Hobbsee> seaLne: yeah.  my first response to that is "so what happens with kde apps, cos that'd be really cool!"
[04:42] <Riddell> KDE apps already have a crash dialogue with backtrace
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true, but they dont automatically import to malone, with all the program versions, etc.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> did you see the mail?
[04:43] <Riddell> my reluctance is that most crashes are upstream issues
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's also true.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> which is why we could kill off a large section of kde in malone, i guess
[04:46] <Hobbsee> i guess there's the obvious "if there's a backtrace, get it filed upstream".  ie, if kcrash has been induced, file it upstream.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> wb apachelogger
[04:47] <apachelogger> fd
[04:47] <apachelogger> battery load = 0 that was ;-)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:47] <Hobbsee> i love that
[04:47] <apachelogger> somehow acpi won't update my battery status
[04:47] <apachelogger> or actualyl only sometimes
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:47] <apachelogger> hehe :P
[04:48] <apachelogger> seems to be a bug with most hp books
[04:48] <Hobbsee> suddenly saw the flashing light and went "ahhh...drat"
[04:48] <apachelogger> though that batter issue here is really not that serious if you don't forget to plug the book ;-)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> true
[04:48] <Hobbsee> 42 hours, i think....
[04:49] <Hobbsee> enough time for me to ignore the rest of it for a bit longer.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: must it be tuesday tomorrow?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> hi toma
[04:50] <toma> hoi Hobbsee
[04:50] <apachelogger> ah, bank holiday is that here round :D
[04:50] <Hobbsee> what's a bank holiday anyway?
[04:51] <Hobbsee> we dont get htem
[04:51] <Hobbsee> bugger.  tomorrow is tuesday
[04:51] <Hobbsee> *makes mental note to take wallet to uni tomorrow*
[04:51] <Riddell> it's like a public holiday, but less formal
[04:52] <Hobbsee> oh nice!
[04:52] <Hobbsee> ie, a public holiday where no one works, or an excuse to be paid at double time and a half?
[04:52] <Hobbsee> ie, do most people stop working?
[04:53] <apachelogger> actually IMO austrians are most time stop working for any reason :P
[04:53] <Hobbsee> cant say i've met many austrans....
[04:53] <Hobbsee> if any
[04:56] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: were you referring to australians, or austrians in your above comment?
[04:58] <apachelogger> austrians :D
[04:59] <Hobbsee> right
[05:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you're still planning to announce the kubuntu community manager stuff for the CC in 45 mins?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> i'm going to go to bed, so i cant see the response.
[05:17] <Riddell> it's in 45 mins?
[05:17] <Riddell> ok
[05:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah.  2am local time
[05:23] <apachelogger> utc++
[05:45] <bddebian> Hello
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Yeah We need some !k entries
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Can I dump all of ubotu's responses?
[07:12] <Riddell> ?
[07:12] <DaSkreech> !sound
[07:12] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[07:13] <DaSkreech> i keep getting confused reading stuff like that till it suddenly clicks that it's an Ubuntu (Gnome) centric response
[07:13] <Riddell> ideally it would just answer differently on #kubuntu
[07:14] <DaSkreech> I would suspect that having a semi detailed explanation on how to fix things like that would be too large to have for both KDE and for gnome
[07:14] <DaSkreech>  Yeah I keep hearing that but as it seems no work is going into that for now having a factiod for Kubuntu seems reasonable
[07:18] <Riddell> sure, add a k one
[07:19] <DaSkreech> I figured out my sound issue
[07:20] <DaSkreech> Someone clicmbed behind my computer and turned off the speakers
[07:20] <DaSkreech> :-P
[07:42] <Sime> seaLne: I didn't know this before, but you can actually add a second clock to the kicker and set it to another timezone.
[08:16] <Lure> Riddell: what is your plan with guidance-p-m in regards to laptop keys? Make this configurable or just hardcode?
[08:17] <Riddell> Lure: probably make it configurable, just using the standard KDE global shortcuts settings
[08:18] <Lure> Riddell: since you use KAction, we could just set there KShortcut properly (XF86Standby, XF86Sleep)
[08:18] <Lure> Riddell: then fix the mapping in kmilo
[08:19] <Lure> Riddell: I am just not sure if KAction shortcuts are global or just when widget (menu) is active
[08:22] <Lure> Riddell: just tried - my quick hack does not work - we need to set global shortcut or hal monitoring for key event
[08:23] <Riddell> yes, it would need to be a global shortcut
[08:25] <Lure> Riddell: how do you plan to fix polling dbus problem? this 5 sec poll is a bit of load issue (not as big as knemo, but still)
[08:26] <DaSkreech> Argh the fonts look terrible in 3.5.4
[08:26] <allee> Lure: side note: knemo 0.4.4 features a /sys backend which reduces the load
[08:26] <Lure> allee: nice, do we have it in edgy (even though I use knm)?
[08:27] <Riddell> Lure: either add qt3 mainloop integration to dbus-python or (more likely) just portitto qt 4.2 for edgy+1
[08:27] <Riddell> port it to
[08:27] <Lure> DaSkreech: true, sub-pixel hinting is off and Lite are used instead of Sans (afair)
[08:27] <allee> Lure: not yet.  I prepared the debian upload today. I'll ask for a sync later
[08:27] <DaSkreech> Looks like someone was taking potshots at it
[08:28] <DaSkreech> Little holes all over the letters
[08:28] <Lure> Riddell: ok, we can probably survive with polling for edgy...
[08:31] <Riddell> Lure: I agree it sucks, but it's no worse than what klaptopdamon does
[08:32] <Lure> Riddell: very true ;-)
[08:50] <Sp4rKy> hi
[08:52] <Sp4rKy> please,what can i do when i've "checking whether QTDIR environment variable is set... no" during pbuilding, what can i do ?
[08:53] <Sp4rKy> i've added libqt-mt-dev to B-D
[08:54] <Riddell> Sp4rKy: you should be able to set the qtdir with an argument to ./configure
[08:54] <Riddell> it should be /usr
[08:54] <Sp4rKy> strange
[08:57] <Sp4rKy> i've not found any option for ./configure
[08:57] <Sp4rKy> and when i try to compil for my system (without pbuild), i need to set QTDIR to /usr/include/qt3
[08:58] <Riddell> what's the application?
[08:58] <Riddell> does ./configure | grep qt   output anything?
[08:58] <Sp4rKy> the application is djplay
[08:59] <Sp4rKy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20577
[08:59] <Sp4rKy> here is my configure option
[09:00] <Riddell> what's the build system?
[09:04] <Sp4rKy> dapper for pbuilder
[09:07] <Riddell> the application's build system
[09:07] <Riddell> autotools?
[09:07] <Sp4rKy> oups sorry
[09:07] <Sp4rKy> yes
[09:07] <Sp4rKy> Sp4rKY-laptop% ./configure |grep qt
[09:07] <Sp4rKy> configure: error: QTDIR must be properly set.
[09:09] <Riddell> not sure, and I'm currently too busy to take a look, wait around until someone is able to look at it
[09:10] <mornfall> Sp4rKy: tried setting QTDIR? :p
[09:10] <bddebian> heh
[09:10] <mornfall> hmm pbuilder
[09:10] <mornfall> dunno then
[09:10] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: There is no option to configure like --with-qt-lib= and --with-qt-dir= ?
[09:11] <mornfall> Sp4rKy: w/o pbuilder, does QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3?
[09:11] <mornfall> +work
[09:13] <Sp4rKy> work with my sytem but not with pbuilder and libqt-mt-dev in B-D
[09:16] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, no, look at my pastebin
[09:16] <bddebian> Hmm, is libqt-mt-dev qt3 or 4 now?  Can you try libqt3-mt-dev?
[09:16] <Sp4rKy> i can try
[09:17] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, i already use libqt3-mt-dev :|
[09:17] <bddebian> Hmm, --with-plugins-qtdir doesn't let you pass the path?
[09:20] <bddebian> Hmm, does libqt3-mt-dev depend libqt3-headers?
[09:24] <Sp4rKy> Sp4rKY-laptop% apt-cache depends libqt3-mt-dev |grep header
[09:24] <Sp4rKy>   Dpend: libqt3-headers
[09:25] <mornfall> QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3 ./configure in debian/rules? :)
[09:32] <Sp4rKy> mornfall, works with thus :D
[09:32] <Sp4rKy> YOUPIII
[09:32] <Sp4rKy> thx all for your help
[09:35] <Riddell> Sp4rKy: give us a ping if you need the package reviewed
[09:35] <Sp4rKy> Riddell, thx :D
[09:36] <Sp4rKy> if you want i've some other package which wait for review
[09:36] <bddebian> So we can ignore it like the 1000 other packages on REVU ;-P
[09:37] <Riddell> bddebian: I don't tend to ignore stuff if people ask me to review it
[09:37] <bddebian> Riddell: I know, I am just being a little pissy today sorry :-)  I have been trying to help with cleaning up REVU but my skillz are limited :-(
[09:38] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, :)
[09:39] <Sp4rKy> i seen you work a lot on reviewing
[09:54] <Sp4rKy> E: Couldn't find package libjack0.100.0-dev
[09:54] <Sp4rKy> W: Unable to locate package libjack0.100.0-dev
[09:54] <Sp4rKy> another error ...
[10:01] <bddebian> Hmm, yeah, I don't see libjack in Edgy..
[10:01] <bddebian> Oh wait
[10:01] <bddebian> SHould be there
[10:02] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Is your pbuilder Edgy?
[10:05] <Sp4rKy> no
[10:06] <Sp4rKy> but my system is edgy and liibjack is
[10:08] <bddebian> Oh, locally it can't find it either?
[10:10] <Sp4rKy> locally o can find it !
[10:15] <bddebian> Are you sure you have Universe/Multiverse enabled in your pbuilderrc?
[10:17] <Sp4rKy> i'm update to edgy with a new ~/.pbuilderc
[10:17] <Sp4rKy> +r
[10:18] <bddebian> ah
[11:14] <Lure> anybody else have problem on edgy when dist-upgrade wants to remove adept, kubuntu-desktop...?
[11:20] <Lure> imbrandon: hi
[11:21] <imbrandon> moins Lure
[11:21] <Lure> imbrandon: did you mention that you plan to do something about firefox kde integration for edgy?
[11:22] <imbrandon> yea i had mentioned it but i hadent done much except talk with iwj a bit
[11:22] <imbrandon> as of yet
[11:22] <imbrandon> wassup ?
[11:22] <Lure> I have just seen that ff 2.0 has different ways to theme and that they will need to change ubuntu-theme
[11:22] <Lure> so I though that we could potentially influence that a bit... ;-)
[11:23] <imbrandon> yup , thats why i was kinda waiting , to see how he changed it for 2.0
[11:23] <imbrandon> yea i had a talk with him after the distro meeting the other day
[11:24] <imbrandon> when he changes it for 2.0 he is donna make sure we can theme it too ( along with the other direvitives )
[11:24] <imbrandon> s/donna/gonna
[11:24] <imbrandon> once he uploaded his first revision of that i had planed on making the kubuntu changes
[11:24] <imbrandon> hrm brb phone
[11:27] <imbrandon> heh
[11:34] <Lure> Riddell: I think I asked this before: why do we have Settings->Printers menu - I would suggest we get rid of it in Edgy and just leave Printers in System Settings. Having two "settings" in menu is confusing...
[11:44] <imbrandon> Lure: +1 on the printer thing, it is kinda confusing have it both places
[11:45] <Lure> imbrandon: not sure if something else uses Settings (but for sure only Printers is in default install)
[11:45] <imbrandon> yea i just looked
[11:45] <imbrandon> woot finaly my email list is working again
[12:06] <Lure> imbrandon: were you providing Sime's patched media:/ kde?
[12:07] <imbrandon> lure yes
[12:07] <imbrandon> its actauly a patched for the file system for /media and others not media:/ its self
[12:07] <imbrandon> but hold on
[12:07] <Lure> imbrandon: btw, system:/ error on F9 is in edgy kde too (old bug of Tonio_'s patches for system:/)
[12:08] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[12:08] <imbrandon> cool
[12:08] <imbrandon> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/simes-patches/debs/
[12:08] <imbrandon> you can use that as a repo or just grab the debs
[12:08] <imbrandon> either way will work
[12:09] <imbrandon> if you use it as a repo "deb http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/simes-patches/debs/ ./"
[12:10] <imbrandon> whoop netsplit


[02:24] <kiko> yo yo
[03:22] <sivang> hey kiko, 'sup ??
[05:39] <jeroen_> Hello! I have some problems with Launchpad
[05:40] <jeroen_> It's really slow, and it uses Javascript
[07:17] <jeroen_> oh, and, when I'm at a bug page
[07:17] <jeroen_> like https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/514
[07:17] <jeroen_> and click the 'bugs' in  "Launchpad  malone  bugs  514" at the top, I get a 404, I should get an index of all bugs (which was expected)
[08:01] <tothoneos> hello everybody
[08:02] <tothoneos> i am interested in taking part in the translation of SchoolTool in the greek language
[08:02] <tothoneos> who can help meQ
[08:02] <tothoneos> who can help me?
[08:02] <jeroen_> Greek people, Rosetta people
[08:03] <tothoneos> could yoy be more specific
[08:03] <tothoneos> could you be more specific?
[08:03] <jeroen_> Well, other people who speak Greek, and English
[08:03] <jeroen_> and maybe people who've worked with Rosetta (the translation tool)
[08:04] <jeroen_> or you could read a manual about Rosetta


[02:56] <tom___> hello
[02:56] <tom___> is anybody there?
[07:43] <nie> hi
 hi
[17:58] <x4> hello world :)
[18:02] <wxl> x4: you did it. your next goal is to create a reverse polish notation calculator entirely out of irc scripts.
 wxl: with a little sprinkle of erlang in it too ;)
 and cobol
 *lurks*
[18:02] <wxl> bah haskell
[18:02] <wxl> GET YO MONAD ON
 *requires: all programs to be written in Whitespace*
 Hey there
 Do you advice to upgrade from 18.10 to 19.04???
 I have lot of apps installed
 19.04 is EOL so I would not recommend it
 18.10 is dead too
 so if you're looking to upgrade, you will need to install 19.10
 Wow
[18:55] <x4> im mad or lxde still works much better/faster then lxqt?
 That's news
 @x4 [<x4> im mad or lxde still works much better/faster then lxqt?], What?
 How do you recommend me to upgrade?
 I have dual boot
 Win and Lubuntu
[19:07] <wxl> x4: mad
[19:08] <wxl> !eol
[19:08] <wxl> ^ that's for you @IndianOSR911
 @ubottu [<ubottu> End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release …], Yup thanks.
 Will start now
 👍👍👍
[19:19] <x4> @wxl but less RAM usage is true. dunoo back on 18.04 or noperinho
[19:22] <wxl> x4: at idle, there is *sometimes* a slight difference. otherwise, nah
[20:55] <rapidwave> I"m using LXQT and ALT+TAB only works for current and most previous windows, not all windows. How do I make it switch between ALL windows?
 @rapidwave [<rapidwave> I"m using LXQT and ALT+TAB only works for current and most previous …], Don't know
 Will check and tell.. system installation in progress
[21:07] <kc2bez> rapidwave: Do you mean for windows that are on other desktops? If so we implemented a change that will come out in 20.04 https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGSe46db7f72dd4fe01712b763d237f606d5b9777aa
[21:08] <kc2bez> It is relatively straight forward to add to your openbox config but you have to edit the file.
[21:09] <rapidwave> I'll try...
[21:10] <kc2bez> If you just want to cycle through the windows on the same desktop you can use ALT + TAB and keep tapping TAB to cycle.
[21:13] <rapidwave> I found it works by ALT+SHIFT+TAB
[21:15] <kc2bez> I understand now, sorry. ALT+SHIFT+TAB cycles the other way (opposite direction). Sorry I misunderstood.
[21:15] <kc2bez> Glad it is working for you.