[00:00] <GridCube> pleia2, or someone, can you please aprove exio4 in the ubuntu-etherpad?
[00:02] <Unit193> GridCube: Good!  Getting him to submit results. :D
[00:02] <GridCube> :D
[00:03] <Unit193> She's a bit AFK, mhall119 is part of the community team, does that count as admins? :P
[00:04] <GridCube> dunno
[01:57] <pleia2> I was at dinner with my father in law, but approved on my way out to the car ;)
[02:07] <Unit193> pleia2: Enjoyed it?  And danke.
[02:07] <pleia2> yep
[05:04] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1199450 I read that as commited, and since it's supposed to be committed in 955/948, lag issue should be gone in the mir package as of an hour ago.  I'll spin another out on Monday, if someone agrees with me it's fixed. :P
[07:07] <elfy> ochosi bluesabre - so lightdm greeter - you logout and top right corner - 4 icons - what's the flower one for - and assuming the flag one is for languages etc - it's not working here
[07:13] <ochosi> elfy: the flag is for languages, the "flower" is a gear for the system-menu
[07:14] <ochosi> bluesabre: has the latest gtk-greeter already been uploaded?
[07:17] <elfy> ochosi: I assumed those to be the meanings - installeda vm to finally get the testcase written, installed spanish language and keyboard - log out - no options working to change to spanish
[07:17] <elfy> that's with the latest iso
[10:42] <knome> bluesabre, as ochosi said, you'll now need somebody who's going to merge it approve :)
[10:48] <knome> Unit193, hah, thanks.
[10:52] <knome> i do agree with ochosi that we should get some development stuff from 4.11 in
[10:53] <knome> of course, we should test them enough to make sure they *will* work, but otoh, 13.10 is not an LTS, and we have until 14.04 to iron out bugs and stuff from them, if xfce 4.12 wasn't ready before that either
[10:53] <knome> if it was, we'd have to test the 4.12 stuff anyway
[10:54] <knome> elfy, that's a known bug!
[10:54] <knome> elfy, (no options)
[10:54] <knome> elfy, bug 1204486
[10:54] <knome> elfy, also see my comments 3/4
[10:55] <elfy> thanks
[10:56] <elfy> thought you were away this weekend
[10:56] <knome> i was/am
[10:56] <knome> i'll only be around for some time today
[10:56] <elfy> aaah
[10:57] <knome> but i thought i'd catch up with the awaylog and -devel backlog
[10:57] <elfy> :)
[10:57] <elfy> I'm going to be doing some package tests today - done some iso ones :)
[10:58] <knome> nice
[10:58] <knome> i just linked that ^ bug to the devel blueprint
[10:58] <elfy> okey doke
[11:00] <elfy> knome: should I remove the fix released ones from the blueprint?
[11:02] <knome> elfy, nope
[11:02] <knome> elfy, see http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-s-flavor-xubuntu.html
[11:03] <elfy> ok
[12:35] <jjfrv8> elfy, it seems that several of the Xfce Settings Manager testcases are 'archived' and aren't editable
[12:35] <jjfrv8> or am I missing something?
[12:36] <elfy> where are you looking?
[12:36] <jjfrv8> on the link you sent in the call to arms e-mail. I can paste it if I rember how
[12:37] <jjfrv8> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5969743/
[12:38] <elfy> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/300/builds/50384/testcases
[12:38] <elfy> what do you mean by editable?
[12:39] <elfy> you shouldn't be able to edit any of that unless you're in the team
[12:39] <elfy> which you're not
[12:39] <elfy> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/+members#active
[12:39] <elfy> jjfrv8: what is it that you're trying to do?
[12:40] <jjfrv8> I mean submitting test resultes
[12:40] <jjfrv8> *results
[12:44] <jjfrv8> here's a screenshot of one: http://imagebin.org/267108
[12:45] <elfy> ok - that looks right
[12:47] <elfy> jjfrv8: what are you clicking on there for it to tell you it's archived
[12:48] <elfy> while you're about you can me too and confirm a bug for me - there's no way to report bugs against testcases in packages tracker - there should be
[12:48] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1210728
[12:49] <jjfrv8> I'm just clicking on the tescase name link. I get a results page for all of them but the first five under Xfce Settings Manager group
[12:51] <elfy> oic what you mean
[12:57] <elfy> jjfrv8: no idea how to unarchive those
[12:59] <jjfrv8> It's weird that slickymaster was able to submit one a couple of days ago. Must've just happened.
[13:00] <elfy> yea - noted it - will ask when there's someone about to ask - thanks
[13:00] <jjfrv8> I confirmed and "me too'd" that bug.
[13:00] <elfy> jjfrv8: thanks
[13:27] <scottbomb> Greetings all. Where is the MIR testing ISO I've been reading about? Is it the daily listed here? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds
[13:28] <scottbomb> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/51026/testcases
[13:29] <elfy> scottbomb: http://vanir.unit193.tk/mir/
[13:30] <elfy> those 2 you linked are normal iso's - no mir
[13:33] <scottbomb> excellent, thanks
[13:34] <elfy> welcome
[21:03] <bluesabre> ochosi: the latest and greatest being 1.0?
[21:03] <bluesabre> knome: thanks?
[21:03] <bluesabre> Without the ? of course
[21:03] <bluesabre> :D
[21:03] <bluesabre> dang it
[21:04] <bluesabre> ochosi: 1.6 I mean
[21:04] <bluesabre> 1.6.0
[21:04] <bluesabre> I'll get it right eventually
[21:05] <bluesabre> micahg, mr_pouit: do either of you care to approve and upload this?  https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/lightdm-gtk-greeter-updates/+merge/177959
[21:05] <bluesabre> s/do/would
[21:05] <bluesabre> today I am unable to say the things I need to say
[21:05] <bluesabre> :\
[21:06] <knome> bluesabre, was :P
[22:13] <GridCube> pleia2, :D in a lighter request, we should choose our first desktop of the week soon
[22:15] <Noskcaj> knome, What do you think we should do with xfce4-settings 4.11? It's the only xfce thing not current in debian other than lightdm
[22:15] <knome> Noskcaj, i agree with what ochosi said; we should probably cherry-pick some xfce 4.11 stuff, but we need to decide about that on a meeting
[22:16] <knome> i don't want xfce 4.12 as bad as i want some of the features built for it, which have been ready for ages
[22:16] <knome> it would be silly to stall everything because the xfce release schedule being what it is
[22:17] <knome> but it would be silly to simply get every new component in too, because that would most probably break things
[22:18] <Noskcaj> ok
[22:39] <Noskcaj> I've just got the datetime plugin merge working. where should i upload it?
[22:44] <knome> launchpad?
[22:45] <knome> i'm off to bed
[22:45] <knome> night
[22:45] <lderan> good night knome
[22:46] <Noskcaj> night knome


[02:18] <jose> thanks pleia2!
[21:19] <pleia2> newsletter sent to summary writers, a bit early today because time zones and I expect I'll fall asleep as soon as I get back to the hotel tonight


[16:00] <cjwatson> slangasek: I'm doing 12.04.4 right now - can I be excused from the meeting?  My report basically reads "* 12.04.4 * Miscellaneous transitions and stuff"
[16:00] <slangasek> cjwatson: ok :)
[16:00] <slangasek> #startmeeting
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[16:01] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:02] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[16:02] <slangasek> stgraber slangasek jodh stokachu cjwatson xnox barry bdmurray doko
[16:02] <slangasek> stgraber: you first :)
[16:03] <stgraber> Short week, was off on Monday.
[16:03] <stgraber> Spent some time preparing/testing 12.04.4 (mostly for Edubuntu).
[16:03] <stgraber> Working towards LXC beta4, ton of reviews, some discussions on fixing our logging story, some more bugfixes here and there, ...
[16:03] <stgraber> Patch piloted yesterday.
[16:03] <stgraber> Making slow progress on system-image, trying to get those tests done finally (found some more regressions), then have to add some features requested by ogra.
[16:03] <stgraber> (DONE)
[16:03] <xnox> oh, patch pilot, I think i had one last week, but obviously skipped.
[16:05] <slangasek>  * spending a lot of time on customer engagements this week
[16:05] <slangasek>  * finished the protobuf ABI transition
[16:05] <slangasek>   * introduced a regression by merging a newer protobuf from Debian that broke ABI; thanks to cjwatson for cleaning up the mess
[16:05] <slangasek>  * some timely NEW processing for packages needed at the cloud sprint
[16:05] <slangasek> (done)
[16:05] <jodh> * core-1311-upstart-roadmap
[16:05] <jodh>   - async-spawn: Grinding through the test code and updating for new async
[16:05] <jodh>     behaviour (necessitating porting most of the tests to use a proper
[16:05] <jodh>     main loop).
[16:05] <jodh>   - cgroup support: Updated spec, parser and parser tests after discussions with
[16:05] <jodh>     stgraber on enhanced cgroup stanza syntax (see
[16:05] <jodh>     http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Cgroup). Need to identify how best to
[16:05] <jodh>     add handle adding cgroup paths to set of paths "owned" by Upstart
[16:05] <jodh>     (either way, requires async branch).
[16:05] <jodh> * upstart:
[16:05] <jodh>   - reviewed https://code.launchpad.net/~cameronnemo/upstart/ipv6/+merge/204599
[16:06] <jodh> ➿
[16:07] <slangasek> stokachu: anything this week? :)
[16:09] <slangasek> letting cjwatson off the hook for 12.04.4
[16:09] <slangasek> xnox:
[16:09] <xnox> * mostly catch up on everything from last week.
[16:09] <xnox> * worked with barry/phonedations on getting py2/3 compatible runners:
[16:09] <xnox>  - barry is doing the autopilot merge proposal
[16:09] <xnox>  - i'm working with sergio on the phablet-test-run portion
[16:09] <xnox> * fixed partman-btrfs failing to format btrfs volumes
[16:09] <xnox> * tracking down 12.04.4 .0 stack bug which prevents automatic LUKS
[16:09] <xnox>   encrypted installation for x/kubuntu, cryto-modules-3.2-udeb is missing
[16:09] <xnox>   xts module, apw proposed a fix for that already.
[16:09] <xnox> * worked with till, on cups socket activation, more work is needed to
[16:10] <xnox>   get it properly working, see upstart bug report.
[16:10] <xnox> * helped with some 12.04.4 iso testing and generated-signed wubi
[16:10] <xnox>   build, also spotted that wubi builds were out of date, now fixed by
[16:10] <xnox>   cjwatson.
[16:10] <xnox> * helped smoser to fix overlayroot to work with cryptsetup from saucy
[16:10] <xnox>   and newer, the change of "not including crypto modules by default"
[16:10] <xnox>   resulted in regressing "covert launched cloud instance to
[16:10] <xnox>   full-disk-encryption" with overlayroot. Fix is in overlayroot,
[16:10] <xnox>   initramfs hooks configuration to export flag variable to force
[16:10] <xnox>   crypto module inclusion.
[16:10] <xnox> * uploaded all patches for "messages-less shutdown" into trusty. After
[16:10] <xnox>   confirming successful testing from all of my systems and Timo's
[16:10] <xnox>   systems (precise ones). If you see messages on shutdown on up to
[16:10] <xnox>   date trusty let me know.
[16:10] <xnox> * Investigating to drop gtk2 from ubuntu-touch images. (lol, yes...)
[16:10] <xnox> * I'm taking next friday off, for a volleyball tournament.
[16:10] <xnox> ..
[16:10] <barry> xnox: what's the status of phablet-test-run?
[16:11] <xnox> barry: there is a branch, it's partial and has a bug i and sergios need to work out.
[16:11] <xnox> barry: "work in progress" =)
[16:11] <barry> xnox: cool.
[16:11] <slangasek> gtk2!
[16:11] <barry> u-d-m/s-i debugging (bugs against u-d-m filed)
[16:11] <xnox> barry: i'm hoping to get it done today.
[16:11] <xnox> slangasek: tell me about it!
[16:11] <xnox> =))))
[16:11] <slangasek> +1 for dropping ;)
[16:11] <barry> autopilot py3 porting; window-mocker py3 support; unity7 & unity8 autopilot testing.  fun fact: autopilot tests now seem to cpu peg X and make it totally unresponsive (will check again after dist-upgrade).
[16:11] <barry> done
[16:11] <xnox> slangasek: there is 56MB worth of cruft  to be dropped there.
[16:12] <xnox> slangasek: unlike autopilot, which we like are actually using ;-)
[16:12]  * slangasek nods
[16:12] <barry> oh the above X problem is when `autopilot run autopilot` ;)
[16:13] <slangasek> autopilot run autopilot?
[16:14] <barry> slangasek: yes, run autopilot's own autopilot tests
[16:14] <slangasek> strange
[16:14] <slangasek> since autopilot isn't a gui
[16:14] <slangasek> what do those do?
[16:15] <barry> they test some basic functionality of autopilot, which is why we had to port window-mocker.  it's a sample app/framework that autopilot's own ap tests use
[16:15] <slangasek> ah, ok
[16:15] <slangasek> bdmurray:
[16:15] <barry> i think the window-mocker port is largely done, but not yet landed
[16:16] <bdmurray> submitted merge proposal for canonical-is-puppet to stop updating unique users for Raring
[16:16] <bdmurray> setup and tested error tracker refusal of crash reports from Raring
[16:16] <bdmurray> submitted rt regarding updating daisy to r407 and 408
[16:16] <bdmurray> submitted rt regarding getting core dumps from the error tracker
[16:16] <bdmurray> tested back population of rls:src_pkg:version counters
[16:16] <bdmurray> wrote a cronjob to look for unsubbed packages being added to main
[16:16] <bdmurray> fixed unattended-upgrades bug 1272381 regarding python3.4 build failure
[16:16] <bdmurray> manually retraced some crash reports with core dumps from swift
[16:17] <bdmurray> +1 maintenance work
[16:17] <bdmurray> ⁂ done⁂
[16:17] <slangasek> doko: here?
[16:18] <doko> - sprint, and Fosdem
[16:18] <doko> - openjdk-6 updates
[16:18] <doko> - component mismatches, fix some ftbfs, MIRs
[16:18] <doko> - look at test rebuild ftbfs, addressing the python 3.4 issues first
[16:18] <doko> - if somebody has an idea for the ~200 php ftbfs, please let me know
[16:18] <doko> (done)
[16:19] <slangasek> ah, pointer to the php failures?
[16:19] <doko> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20140127-trusty.html
[16:20] <doko> all of the form
[16:20] <doko> dh build --buildsystem=phppear --with phppear
[16:20] <doko>    dh_testdir -O--buildsystem=phppear
[16:20] <doko>    dh_auto_configure -O--buildsystem=phppear
[16:20] <doko>    dh_auto_build -O--buildsystem=phppear
[16:20] <doko> PHP Notice:  Array to string conversion in /usr/share/php/PEAR.php on line 1053
[16:20] <doko> [pear_error: message="Parsing of package.xml from file "/build/buildd/php-image-text-0.6.1/Image_Text-0.6.1/package.xml" failed" code=2 mode=return level=notice prefix="" info="Array"]
[16:20] <slangasek> doko: what's an example of a php package on there?
[16:20] <doko> dh_auto_build: /usr/share/pkg-php-tools/scripts/phppkginfo -d package . returned exit code 1
[16:20] <doko> make: *** [build] Error 1
[16:20] <doko> php-image-text
[16:21] <slangasek> ok
[16:21]  * xnox should probably update debhelper with support for a new stanza in $package.maintscripts i've seen a couple FTBFS due to that.
[16:21] <slangasek> so I guess it'll be something simple, we just need to track down some bug in the phppear build system support
[16:22] <slangasek> bdmurray: maybe you could take a look at that, under +1maint?
[16:22] <bdmurray> slangasek: okay
[16:23] <slangasek> bdmurray: thanks
[16:23] <slangasek> anything else, status-wise?
[16:25] <slangasek> xnox: are you getting useful feedback from the team wrt the emulator + autopilot?
[16:26] <xnox> slangasek: i get reports from people, that it at times may fail to boot. But that appears to be a low percentage.
[16:26] <xnox> slangasek: sdk team are integrating using ubuntu-emulator into sdk.
[16:26] <slangasek> I bet that's the bug where the clock sometimes stops
[16:27] <xnox> slangasek: and after the friday move of CI to phablet-test-run, it should be easier to integrate emulator into jenkins, then we will have more recorded attempts as to what's happening there.
[16:27] <xnox> slangasek: could well be that.
[16:27] <slangasek> any news on the android 4.4.2 rebase?  Phonedations seemed to think that would come together early this week
[16:28] <ogra_> slangasek, waiting for Mir
[16:28]  * slangasek is hoping 4.4 will fix the stopped-clock problem
[16:28] <xnox> slangasek: i have 4.4 source code, but i didn't build / try emulator under it yet.
[16:28] <xnox> (at scale)
[16:28] <slangasek> ogra_: as in, Mir is ahead of it in the landing queue, or Mir needs some changes to work with 4.4?
[16:31] <slangasek> well, we can take that up out of band
[16:31] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:31] <slangasek> anything else?

[16:32] <slangasek> clearly everyone is still jet lagged ;)
[16:32] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:32] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb  6 16:32:50 2014 UTC.
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[16:32] <slangasek> ok, thanks everyone :)
[16:32] <jodh> thanks!
[16:33] <xnox> ta!
[16:33] <barry> thanks!
[16:37] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:37] <ogra_> slangasek, the latter, Mir hwcomposer support needs to land
[16:37] <ogra_> slangasek, the 1.4 Mir that landed last night is already weeks old (as usual with Mir)
[16:38] <slangasek> ok
[16:38] <ogra_> once thats in autopilot needs fixing (i found today) it hardcodes the 4 arches we support and cant run on anything else
[17:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting Community Council
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Feb  6 17:00:30 2014 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:00] <pleia2> #chair cprofitt elfy
[17:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: cprofitt elfy pleia2
[17:00] <cprofitt> thanks for getting us started pleia2
[17:00] <pleia2> ok, who all is here for the CC meeting? :)
[17:01] <cprofitt> here
[17:01] <elfy> yep - here
[17:01] <pleia2> ok, so today we have a check in with the forums team and translations team scheduled
[17:02] <elfy> I believe translations sent apologies
[17:02] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[17:02] <pleia2> one person said she couldn't make it, no replies from anyone else :\
[17:02] <elfy> yes
[17:03]  * mhall119 is here for ~15 minutes
[17:03] <pleia2> we'll do forums first then, see if we can round up some translations folks
[17:03] <pleia2> #topic forums check in
[17:03] <pleia2> any news, comments, questions or concerns from the forums at this time?
[17:04] <elfy> Forum is good, we've had some issues with vB again - but IS have been extremely helpful
[17:04] <pleia2> glad to hear it \o/
[17:04] <elfy> only thing that we're likely to need help with is the voting for the staff issue you're aware of
[17:05] <elfy> we're probably looking at doing similar to that which councils use for it - condorcet via launchpad
[17:05]  * pleia2 nods
[17:05] <pleia2> I'll have anohter look at the thread, I don't remember if you still need input from the cc
[17:06] <elfy> not at the moment - once we've got a clearer plan we'll come back to the CC
[17:06] <dholbach> o/
[17:06] <dholbach> sorry, I'm a bit late
[17:06] <cprofitt> sounds good.
[17:06] <elfy> but we're looking to get it going sooner rather than later
[17:06] <cprofitt> hey dholbach
[17:06] <elfy> hi dholbach
[17:07] <pleia2> great, thanks elfy
[17:07] <elfy> the hardest bit for us will be the voting
[17:07] <elfy> nothing else from FC
[17:08] <pleia2> the CC has a script that yokozar improved that exports public email addresses from launchpad for use in condorcet, let us know and we'll send the link your way
[17:08] <pleia2> (he said he'd publish it somewhere, need to follow up)
[17:08] <pleia2> YokoZar: hey, did you publish that pull-emails-from-lp script somewhere public?
[17:08] <elfy> yep - I knew who to talk to wabout that :)
[17:09] <YokoZar> pleia2: no, but I can put it up on github today
[17:09] <dholbach> I never checked in again.. is the forums council and the forums moderators situation resolved now?
[17:10] <elfy> dholbach: which situation?
[17:10] <elfy> the voting issue?
[17:10] <dholbach> the FC was being restaffed recently, right?
[17:10] <pleia2> YokoZar: thanks :)
[17:10] <dholbach> is it fully staffed again?
[17:10] <elfy> dholbach: yep
[17:10] <pleia2> dholbach: this is for staff, not council
[17:11] <dholbach> ah ok
[17:11] <dholbach> thanks
[17:12] <pleia2> alright, so it sounds like all is well in forums land, thanks elfy
[17:12] <dholbach> perfect
[17:12] <elfy> yep :)
[17:13] <pleia2> no one here from the translations team, it would be good to still check in with them at a later date to make sure things are on track for the LTS
[17:13] <mhall119> dpm: ^^
[17:13] <mhall119> we'll see if his wifi is working
[17:13]  * AlanBell has an AOB item for the end
[17:14] <dpm> hey all, I happen to be here, so Mike asked me if I could participate
[17:14] <dpm> I've not been working on translations for a while, so the status is not much different as last time:
[17:15] <dpm> folks are rocking doing translations in LP as ever, but we still need a champion or a team to coordinate translations
[17:16] <dholbach> dpm, are you aware of any issues the teams are currently facing? in terms of blockers?
[17:16] <pleia2> dpm: do you know if the team has any plans to make this happen? and is it a blocker for a well-translated LTS?
[17:16] <pleia2> the last time the translations folks came to us (late 2012) they were really struggling with knowing when translations opened, etc
[17:17] <dpm> I think the main thing is that the team members have become busy with other things. We've had Pierre leading the team for a while, but I've not heard from him for a while
[17:18] <dpm> the process of opening translations and managing translations in LP is documented in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTranslationsCoordinators - but it's not very discoverable
[17:18] <pleia2> good to know
[17:18] <dpm> restaffing the lp:~ubuntu-translations-coordinators team might be a way to go forward
[17:18] <pleia2> sounds like it might be worth having the CC nudge the coordinators (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-translations-coordinators) again and see where things are
[17:18] <pleia2> yeah
[17:19] <pleia2> we'll be in touch then (you're the owner of that team)
[17:19] <dpm> yeah
[17:19] <dholbach> dpm, but in terms of technical blockers you have nothing on your radar?
[17:19] <dpm> yes, I do have something
[17:20] <dpm> language pack building has no owner, although I've seen uploads happening for trusty
[17:21] <dholbach> dpm, has pitti been doing this up until now?
[17:22] <dpm> dholbach, he was the owner until he moved from desktop to QA, which was a while ago
[17:22] <dholbach> dpm, do you know who uploads the packages now?
[17:22] <dpm> I don't know, but I can have a look at the latest upload, just a sec
[17:24] <dholbach> ok... according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-de-base/1:14.04+20131212 it's still pitti
[17:24] <dpm> yeah
[17:24] <dholbach> so is the team blocked on pitti getting around to it and pushing all the packages?
[17:24] <dholbach> dpm, ^ do you know?
[17:25] <dpm> dholbach, I think it's more no one assigned to do the work and pitti being awesome and picking the task as usual
[17:25] <dholbach> yeah, that sounds very much like pitti :)
[17:25] <pleia2> :)
[17:26] <dholbach> is "pinging pitti" or "mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>inconvenient for the team and the task is sitting there for a while?
[17:27] <dpm> It's a combination of the two things:
[17:28] <dpm> the Ubuntu coordinators team not being active means no one has had the time to do the pinging or to find out who to ping. Also, for me personally I'm always concerned about loading him with more work.
[17:28] <dholbach> sure :/
[17:29] <dholbach> maybe the team would just need a calendar reminder for each of the freezes (or something), so they ping the ubuntu-desktop@ list
[17:29] <dholbach> (or whatever's appropriate)
[17:29] <dpm> I should really find some time to resolve this, but I think I've been promising that on every meeting I've been, sorry :(
[17:30] <dpm> the calendar is a good idea, but first we'd need some restaffing, as the current members have all moved to other projects, real life has kicked in, etc.
[17:31] <elfy> brb
[17:31] <pleia2> ok, I'll take an action item to follow up with current folks and nudge some of the active members I know to get their thoughts
[17:31] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to follow up with translations team about coordinator restaffing
[17:31] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to follow up with translations team about coordinator restaffing
[17:32] <pleia2> thanks for joining us dpm
[17:32] <YokoZar> Thank you
[17:32] <dholbach> thanks pleia2
[17:32] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[17:32] <dpm> no worries, thanks pleia2 and everyone
[17:33] <elfy> back
[17:33] <pleia2> AlanBell: you mentioned you had something
[17:33] <AlanBell> yeah, hi all o/
[17:33]  * hggdh waves
[17:33] <AlanBell> so we have had an issue with the floodbots
[17:33]  * pleia2 nods
[17:34] <AlanBell> I did a summary of the situation to the lists here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2014-February/001651.html
[17:34] <AlanBell> basically they have been turned off and are not coming back
[17:35] <AlanBell> they are proprietary code that does not give us software freedom, and without freedom zero we can't even run them
[17:35] <pleia2> I agreed with hggdh's comment that it's not appropriate to use a proprietary tool for this anyway, so in spite of the unfortunate situation that caused them to be shut off, I think in general it's a move in the right direction
[17:35] <mhall119> I'm also in agreement that rolling the necessary features into an existing opensource bot is the right direction
[17:35] <dholbach> do you know if there's a free plugin that's available somewhere already (even if it doesn't have all the answers)?
[17:36] <pleia2> dholbach: #2 on that summary seems closest
[17:36] <AlanBell> there is a free software plugin for the accidental paste protection
[17:36] <rww> dholbach: there are quite a lot of them
[17:36] <dholbach> ah... I was wondering if you had a favourite already
[17:36] <AlanBell> there is nothing for the rather cool stuff they do in terms of quarantining unregistered users and presenting captchas etc
[17:37] <AlanBell> ubot-fr has one plugin, there is another supybot plugin on github that would be useable, pici has been implementing yet another one
[17:37] <pleia2> as mhall119 said in the thread, perhaps #2 and work toward #3 by asking community members for coding help?
[17:37] <dholbach> wow, it seems like it's all about choice
[17:38]  * mhall119 again volunteers to help try and recruit community folks tohelp
[17:38] <AlanBell> yeah, we have had a few volunteers which is great
[17:38] <mhall119> ok, we gotta go eat before the food is all gone
[17:38] <AlanBell> I think we really need to go with #2 and then address the other issues as they arise
[17:38] <mhall119> AlanBell: you know where to find me anytime :)
[17:38] <AlanBell> thanks mhall119
[17:39] <YokoZar> Is it a matter of using what's there or does something new need to be written?
[17:40] <AlanBell> for paste protection, using what is there
[17:40] <hggdh> for advanced features, we would need to identify them first
[17:41] <rww> hggdh: would it be useful for us to start a collaborative notepad (not sure which one we use these days) session to list those?
[17:42] <AlanBell> well I kind of did identify them at a high level in the mail
[17:43] <AlanBell> in fact . . . http://pad.ubuntu.com/2eBaBGbJyk
[17:43] <hggdh> rww: so, there you go :-)
[17:43] <hggdh> I like the idea, makes it more dynamic
[17:44] <AlanBell> so, that is where we are, and roughly what we are doing about it, I mainly wanted to take advantage of the CC meeting today to let you all know what was going on
[17:44] <pleia2> thanks AlanBell :)
[17:44] <dholbach> thanks a lot for looking into this
[17:45] <dholbach> the change might make things a bit hard for some time, but I'm quite sure you're doing the right thing :)
[17:45] <pleia2> anyone else have anything before we wrap up?
[17:45] <AlanBell> dholbach: yeah, like most proprietary code it is kind of convenient to use, but RMS tends to be right in the end :)
[17:46] <YokoZar> Thank you
[17:47]  * dholbach is all set
[17:47] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone
[17:47] <pleia2> we have Xubuntu & Ubuntu Studio on the schedule for the meeting on the 20th
[17:47] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[17:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb  6 17:47:57 2014 UTC.
[17:47] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-02-06-17.00.moin.txt
[17:47] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-02-06-17.00.html
[21:18] <naudy> @BartOC3
[21:18] <meetingology> naudy: Error: "BartOC3" is not a valid command.
[21:18] <naudy> @BartOC3
[21:18] <meetingology> naudy: Error: "BartOC3" is not a valid command.
[21:18] <belkinsa> Please do, BartOC3.
[21:18] <belkinsa> You can just do this and it should highlight this to them.
[21:56] <s-fox> ping slickymaster , BartOC3 , belkinsa , elacheche_anis  - are you all ready for the meeting? :)
[21:57] <belkinsa> I am.  And I have for weeks now.
[21:57] <elacheche_anis> Yep s-fox :)
[21:57] <BartOC3> yes s-fox
[21:57] <belkinsa> I think you are missing one, s-fox.
[21:57] <slickymaster> hi guys
[21:58] <belkinsa> LuisCano and rhosigma
[21:58] <slickymaster> sorry for being late
[21:58] <belkinsa> Well, missing two rather.  ;)
[21:58] <s-fox> slickymaster:  we're early.  i'm trying to find out who is here - we've got a few people tonight to do :)
[21:59] <slickymaster> yes s-fox, the table is quite full :)
[22:01] <s-fox> Just waiting for more of the board to make their presence known...
[22:01] <knome> s-fox, somewhat unrelated, but what's the process nowadays; do you still have designated membership board members for each timeslot? if not, how's quorum handled?
[22:01] <IdleOne> o/
[22:01] <s-fox> knome:  we have 2 boards based on a time, rather than a time zone / continent
[22:01] <Unit193> IdleOne: Well fancy meeting you here.
[22:01] <s-fox> knome:  we try to get a quorum of at least 4 or 5 members
[22:02] <IdleOne> Unit193: I travel in varied circles :)
[22:02] <knome> s-fox, oki. can't see the who the boards consist of? :)
[22:02] <knome> (just for... fun(?))
[22:02] <IdleOne> !rmb
[22:02] <IdleOne> err not bkerensa
[22:02]  * nlsthzn gets comfortable with some popcorn in hand
[22:03] <knome> "not you!"
[22:03] <s-fox> IdleOne:  that list seem out of date :/
[22:03] <micahg-work> the IRC action needs updating..I wonder who can do that...
[22:03] <elfy> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board/+members#active
[22:03] <elfy> I'd hope
[22:03] <knome> i can update the factoid.
[22:03] <IdleOne> s-fox: indeed
[22:04] <IdleOne> who do I remove/add?
[22:04] <s-fox> iirc bkerensa is not on the board anymore.  i also seem to be missing
[22:05] <s-fox> alright,  i'm going to start the meeting...
[22:05] <IdleOne> ubottu: rmb is <reply> cjohnston, cyphermox, Destine, ejat,  hggdh, IdleOne, iulian, micahg,  Pendulum, PabloRubienes, freeflying, jared, s-fox and amachu. Meeting time.
[22:05] <IdleOne> !no rmb is <reply> cjohnston, cyphermox, Destine, ejat,  hggdh, IdleOne, iulian, micahg,  Pendulum, PabloRubienes, freeflying, jared, s-fox and amachu. Meeting time.
[22:05] <IdleOne> thank you
[22:05] <IdleOne> good bot
[22:05] <IdleOne> go go go
[22:05] <s-fox> #startmeeting 2200 UTC Ubuntu Membership Board
[22:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Feb  6 22:05:41 2014 UTC.  The chair is s-fox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:05] <s-fox> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the 1200 UTC meeting for February 6, 2014.
[22:06] <s-fox> oops, oh well...
[22:06] <IdleOne> 2200UTC
[22:06] <s-fox> i know :)
[22:06] <s-fox> The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[22:06] <s-fox> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[22:06] <s-fox> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[22:06] <s-fox> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[22:07] <s-fox> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[22:07] <s-fox> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[22:07] <s-fox> #voters cjohnsto iulian IdleOne hggdh s-fox chilicuil
[22:07] <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: cjohnsto
[22:07] <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: iulian
[22:07] <meetingology> Current voters: IdleOne chilicuil cjohnsto hggdh iulian s-fox
[22:07] <s-fox> before i go further have i forgotten any of the board?
[22:08] <micahg-work> o/
[22:08] <knome> IdleOne, you seem to be missing chilicuil from the factoid
[22:08] <Luiscano> Hello
[22:08] <IdleOne> will fix that thank you
[22:08] <knome> IdleOne, and it's PabloRubianes, not PabloRubienes :)
[22:08] <s-fox> #voters cjohnston micahg-work
[22:08] <meetingology> Current voters: IdleOne chilicuil cjohnsto cjohnston hggdh iulian micahg-work s-fox
[22:08] <knome> (information provided by users themself via Launchpad)
[22:09] <s-fox> alright. i think that is us all. i can add later if someone else comes along.
[22:09] <s-fox> Now, without any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[22:09] <Luiscano> Mi wiki is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LuisCano
[22:09] <IdleOne> err
[22:09] <s-fox> slickymaster:
[22:09] <belkinsa> You are not first, Luiscano.
[22:09] <slickymaster> o/
[22:10] <s-fox> Luiscano:  please wait your turn.
[22:10] <IdleOne> Please wait for your name to be called :)
[22:10] <belkinsa> Err, sorry.
[22:10] <slickymaster> My name is David Pires, I am 45 years old, live in Porto, a fabulous city in the north of Portugal, and I work in a Portuguese government agency as a programmer, primarily in Java and SQL, since 1994.
[22:10] <s-fox> #subtopic slickymaster
[22:10] <slickymaster> ups
[22:10] <slickymaster> s-fox, is it alright for me to start?
[22:11] <s-fox> slickymaster: yes please!
[22:11] <slickymaster> My name is David Pires, I am 45 years old, live in Porto, a city in the north of Portugal, and I work in a Portuguese government agency as a programmer, primarily in Java and SQL, since 1994.
[22:11] <slickymaster> my launchpad id is https://launchpad.net/~slickymaster
[22:12] <slickymaster> my wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster
[22:12] <slickymaster> I started using Linux by the time of Jaunty Jackalope release, in 2009, and since then I've tried several other Linux distributions such as Arch Linux, CentOS and Debian, but I always came back, one way or the other, to the one I feel more comfortable with, which is (X)Ubuntu
[22:13] <slickymaster> is there any thing else you'd think it could be relevant?
[22:13] <chilicuil> thanks for your good work on the qa team slickymaster, without looking deeper I think I'm ready to vote on this application
[22:13] <s-fox> i've seen your activity on the forums,  especially in programming talk!
[22:13] <s-fox> :)
[22:13] <knome> slickymaster has been contributing lately to xubuntu in QA and documentation, and has been very helpful.
[22:13] <slickymaster> that's a surprise s-fox
[22:13] <Unit193> I highly support slickymaster's application for membership.  He's been a wonderful help to Xubuntu docs and QA, always willing and eager to help, be it writing testcases for QA, or entire new sections in the docs!
[22:14] <knome> "lately" being... some time already :)
[22:14]  * elfy only ever writes testimonials for people that deserve it, not much more I can say than what I already have, but it's the only time I remember actually turning up to a membership meeting for someone else
[22:14] <belkinsa> slickymaster is also amazing member of NewDocs and aways works with the other members to get things done in the team and the project.
[22:14] <knome> and yep, as i wrote in his wikipage, i will feel let down by the board if you don't approve him ;)
[22:14] <elfy> I said similar :)
[22:14] <knome> (well not as i wrote, but what i implied...)
[22:14] <belkinsa> I support slickymaster app myself.
[22:14] <Unit193> I didn't write on the wiki, but I was planning on it. >_>
[22:14] <s-fox> alright... lets get on with it then! :)
[22:15]  * slickymaster bows thankfully to all those kind words
[22:15] <s-fox> #vote slickymaster obtain Ubuntu Membership
[22:15] <meetingology> Please vote on: slickymaster obtain Ubuntu Membership
[22:15] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:15] <cjohnston> +1
[22:15] <meetingology> +1 received from cjohnston
[22:15] <s-fox> +1
[22:15] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[22:15] <chilicuil> +1
[22:15] <meetingology> +1 received from chilicuil
[22:15] <micahg-work> +1
[22:15] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg-work
[22:15] <IdleOne> +1 keep up the good work slickymaster
[22:15] <meetingology> +1 keep up the good work slickymaster received from IdleOne
[22:15] <hggdh> +1 e obrigado por tudo!
[22:15] <meetingology> +1 e obrigado por tudo! received from hggdh
[22:15] <s-fox> #endvote
[22:15] <meetingology> Voting ended on: slickymaster obtain Ubuntu Membership
[22:15] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:15] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:15] <s-fox> Congrats :)
[22:15] <IdleOne> Congrats!
[22:15] <slickymaster> hey eu é que agradeço hggdh
[22:15] <s-fox> really well deserved
[22:15] <nlsthzn> whoohoo grats :)
[22:15] <knome> congrats slickymaster!
[22:15] <slickymaster> thanks guys
[22:15] <hggdh> slickymaster: pois é meu prazer!
[22:15] <belkinsa> Congratz slickymaster!!!
[22:15] <slickymaster> knome, :)
[22:15] <Unit193> slickymaster: Congrats!
[22:16] <elfy> slickymaster: congrats :)
[22:16] <howefield> congrats slickymaster :)
[22:16] <Unit193> Well deserved.
[22:16] <slickymaster> thakn you all, guys
[22:16] <s-fox> is next BartOC3 :)
[22:16] <slickymaster> s/thakn/thanks
[22:16] <s-fox> #subtopic BartOC3
[22:16] <BartOC3> My Name is Jose Ahumada, known as BartOC3, member Ubuntu Colombia and council, Right now I'm involved in a project of education with free and open source software , in educational institutions under resources in Cartagena, Colombia.
[22:16] <BartOC3> my launchpad id is https://launchpad.net/~bartoc
[22:17] <BartOC3> my wiki page is  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/kcbart
[22:17] <BartOC3> I have been supporting the project # StartUbuntu and implemented in several local schools. At this moment I am involved as organizer of the 2014 UbuConLA to be performed in Cartagena, Colombia
[22:18] <s-fox> BartOC3:  i see you do a lot of speaking for ubuntu, what would you like to see happen with the project in future?
[22:20] <s-fox> #voters Pendulum
[22:20] <meetingology> Current voters: IdleOne Pendulum chilicuil cjohnsto cjohnston hggdh iulian micahg-work s-fox
[22:20] <BartOC3> That people of my region conoscan more to this project
[22:20] <chilicuil> BartOC3: if you've problems to talk in english, feel free to speak in spanish and I'll translate
[22:21] <s-fox> okay, well i am ready to vote
[22:21] <s-fox> oh that is a good point, thanks chilicuil
[22:22] <BartOC3> Un poco.. bueno pienso que ubuntu como s.o tiene gran potencial y las personas no lo han conocido a fondo. Por eso he empezado con las escuelas las cuales es parte de la educacion de toda persona.
[22:24] <chilicuil> translating.., well, I think Ubuntu has a great potential and people really haven't get to know it, that's why I've started with schools, which are a good part of the education of every person
[22:24] <IdleOne> listo para votar
[22:25] <s-fox> thanks chilicuil for the translation :)
[22:25] <hggdh> I have no questions ;-)
[22:25] <s-fox> #vote BartOC3 to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[22:25] <meetingology> Please vote on: BartOC3 to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[22:25] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:25] <cjohnston> +1
[22:25] <meetingology> +1 received from cjohnston
[22:25] <hggdh> +1
[22:25] <meetingology> +1 received from hggdh
[22:25] <s-fox> +1
[22:25] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[22:25] <IdleOne> +1
[22:25] <meetingology> +1 received from IdleOne
[22:26] <Pendulum> +1
[22:26] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[22:26] <chilicuil> +1, good luck with the UbuConLA ;)
[22:26] <meetingology> +1, good luck with the UbuConLA ;) received from chilicuil
[22:26] <micahg-work> +1
[22:26] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg-work
[22:26] <s-fox> #endvote
[22:26] <meetingology> Voting ended on: BartOC3 to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[22:26] <meetingology> Votes for:7 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:26] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:26] <IdleOne> Congratulations BartOC3
[22:26] <s-fox> congreats
[22:26] <BartOC3> thanks
[22:26] <s-fox> and also congrats
[22:26] <Pendulum> Congrats BartOC3!
[22:26] <s-fox> lol
[22:26] <elacheche_anis> Congrats BartOC3 :)
[22:26] <hggdh> BartOC3: bienvenido!
[22:26] <belkinsa> Congratz!
[22:26] <howefield> congrats BartOC3
[22:27] <BartOC3> NOs vemos en la UbuConLA
[22:27] <nlsthzn> grats :)
[22:27] <s-fox> #subtopic LuisCano
[22:27] <s-fox> Luiscano:  are you still here?  please introduce yourself! :)
[22:27] <slickymaster> congrats BartOC3
[22:28] <Luiscano> Yes
[22:28] <Luiscano> My name is luis cano,
[22:28] <Luiscano> My wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LuisCano
[22:29] <Luiscano> https://launchpad.net/~luiscano
[22:29] <Luiscano>  I am system eng.
[22:29] <Luiscano> Member of community de colombia
[22:30] <Luiscano> I am organizer of events as flisol,sfd and others
[22:31] <s-fox> Luiscano:  What is your role in Ubuntu Colombia ? :)
[22:31] <Luiscano> I am teacher and operative systems at the universities
[22:32] <Luiscano> I am promote ubuntu, organizer events of free software
[22:33] <Luiscano> I know ubuntu about 2004, and a pionner of this distro in colombia
[22:33] <hggdh> Luiscano: you do realise that we look for Ubuntu activities, do you not?
[22:33] <Pendulum> Luiscano: Can you talk about any Ubuntu specific things you do?
[22:34] <Luiscano> Install, configurations, support, virtualization
[22:35] <Pendulum> Have you been involved in any Ubuntu Co events?
[22:35] <Luiscano> And capacite persorns about of this distro
[22:35] <Luiscano> Yes
[22:35] <chilicuil> Luiscano: feel free to speak in spanish if English is a barrier, and I'll translate =), sientete libre de hablar en español si el ingles es un problema o para expander tus preguntas ;)
[22:35] <Luiscano> I am leader and organizar
[22:36] <Luiscano> Jajaja, es que estoy en un reunion ahorita
[22:36] <chilicuil> Luiscano: necesitamos que puedas comprobar actividades especificas con Ubuntu, si estas ocupado, podemos regresar contigo al final ;)
[22:37] <Luiscano> Dentro de la comunidad, he realizado varias activiad
[22:37] <Luiscano> Ya listo, ya me desocupe
[22:37] <Luiscano> Tengo varias, organizador del htpp://sfdbogota.info
[22:38] <Luiscano> Y en otras ciudade
[22:38] <Luiscano> S de colombia como ibague,espinal y girardot
[22:38] <Luiscano> Conformacion de grupos de estudio
[22:38] <Luiscano> Y nuevas comunidades en distintos sectores
[22:38] <chilicuil> translating, I've organized several activities on the Ubuntu community, many of them are available at htpp://sfdbogota.info, I've organized most of them in Colombia, in cities such as ibague,espinal y girardot
[22:38] <Luiscano> Del pais
[22:39] <Luiscano> Organizador, de flisoles en ibague
[22:40] <chilicuil> Luiscano: I've seen your last activities were from 2012, does it means you're slowing down your contributions? #he visto que las ultimas reuniones que has organizado son del 2012, esto significa que tus contribuciones iran en descenso?
[22:40] <Luiscano> Organizo eventos en distintas universidades, soy conferencista. Y tallerista en eventos. Incluyendo campus party
[22:41] <hggdh> para el UBuntu?
[22:41]  * hggdh apologises for any bad Spanish
[22:41] <Luiscano> En el sitio del canal de youtube de campus party encuentran varias de mis conferencias en donde hago conocer a la comunidad. Ubuntu
[22:42] <chilicuil> Luiscano: la membresia para Ubuntu, require trabajo especifico en Ubuntu, no solo con software libre, podrías detallar un poco más ese aspecto? #Ubuntu membership requires Ubuntu specific contributions, could you give us more detailed information about your contributions?
[22:43] <Luiscano> Actualemte en bogota, soy docente de un diplomado en http://www.bogota.gov.co/content/abierta-convocatoria-para-diplomado-de-software-libre-para-el-emprendimiento
[22:43] <Luiscano> En donde estamos capacitando a chicos que nunca han incursionado en el software libre
[22:43] <Luiscano> En la ciudadde bogota, y que sirva para generar empresa y emprendimiento
[22:45] <Luiscano> Las distribuicion que se dicta actualmentees ubuntu 13.10
[22:45] <Luiscano> Y poder ayudar a ayudar a reducirbrecha digital
[22:45] <Luiscano> En el diplomado
[22:45] <chilicuil> currently, I'm a giving courses at //www.bogota.gov.co/content/abierta-convocatoria-para-diplomado-de-software-libre-para-el-emprendimiento, we're getting to know FOSS to people who has never get it touch with it, it's happening in Bogota, our hope is that it helps to seed bussiness and entrepreneurship
[22:45] <chilicuil> we're giving these courses in Ubuntu 13.10
[22:45] <Luiscano> Y tambien la version 12.10 lts
[22:46] <micahg-work> 12.10 isn't an LTS, 12.04 is
[22:48] <Luiscano> Me equivoque, 12.04 lts
[22:48] <IdleOne> SergioMeneses: welcome :)
[22:48] <chilicuil> Luiscano: creemos que por el momento puedes mejorar tus contribuciones a Ubuntu, y que podrías traer a la junta a miembros reconocidos como SergioMeneses para brindarnos de ejemplos donde tus contribuciones hayan sido excepcionales en Ubuntu #We think you could improve your Ubuntu contributions and get back with some recognized ubuntu members such as SergioMeneses in order to give us detailed examples about your Ubuntu contributions
[22:48] <Luiscano> No se que mas cosas quiere que les explique?
[22:49]  * SergioMeneses say hi to everybody
[22:49] <belkinsa> Hey SergioMeneses.
[22:50] <IdleOne> SergioMeneses: is there anything you can add to Luiscano application that would be specific contributions to Ubuntu?
[22:50] <Luiscano> Pues ya que sergio meneses llego, el puede hablar sobre lo quehe hecho y como he contribuido y apoyado a ala comunidad
[22:50] <Luiscano> Ubuntu
[22:50] <hggdh> lifeless: Ubuntu membership requires sustained and significat contributions to *Ubuntu*
[22:51] <chilicuil> translating.., I'm not sure what else do you need to know, btw, now that SergioMeneses is here he could speak a little bit more about my contributions
[22:51] <cjohnston> hggdh: wrong l<tab>?
[22:51] <Luiscano> Y las contribuciones que he hecho
[22:51] <lifeless> hggdh: yes?
[22:51] <IdleOne> lifeless: it was a mistab
[22:51] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, belkinsa IdleOne I have to say something about Luiscano
[22:51] <SergioMeneses> ?
[22:51] <IdleOne> sorry for the bother :)
[22:51] <lifeless> IdleOne: ah, heh. np.
[22:51] <chilicuil> SergioMeneses: please go ahead
[22:51] <IdleOne> SergioMeneses: please do
[22:52] <hggdh> lifeless: I am very sorry, mistabbed
[22:52] <SergioMeneses> he is a good guy and an amazing member of our community
[22:53] <IdleOne> SergioMeneses: Do you feel that his contributions have been specific enough to Ubuntu ?
[22:53] <micahg-work> SergioMeneses, can you please speak to his current contributions to the Ubuntu community?
[22:53] <SergioMeneses> IdleOne, maybe in the community field
[22:54] <SergioMeneses> micahg-work, right now he is helping to the new members of ubuntu-co to get more knowledge about ubuntu in general
[22:54] <SergioMeneses> but I dont know if he is working on some project
[22:54] <SergioMeneses> with ubuntu of course
[22:55] <SergioMeneses> I will say he might be a good ubuntu member
[22:55] <SergioMeneses> but as always the choose is yours
[22:55] <SergioMeneses> :)
[22:55] <IdleOne> Thak you
[22:55] <IdleOne> thank*
[22:55] <s-fox> We are ready to vote.
[22:55] <SergioMeneses> IdleOne, np
[22:56] <s-fox> #vote Luiscano to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[22:56] <meetingology> Please vote on: Luiscano to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[22:56] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:56] <cjohnston> +0
[22:56] <meetingology> +0 received from cjohnston
[22:56] <s-fox> -1
[22:56] <meetingology> -1 received from s-fox
[22:56] <IdleOne> +0 for now. I would like to see more Ubuntu specific contributions.
[22:56] <meetingology> +0 for now. I would like to see more Ubuntu specific contributions. received from IdleOne
[22:56] <chilicuil> +0
[22:56] <meetingology> +0 received from chilicuil
[22:56] <Pendulum> +0
[22:56] <meetingology> +0 received from Pendulum
[22:56] <s-fox> i would like to see more ubuntu specific contributions and an updated wiki page.
[22:57] <s-fox> #endvote
[22:57] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Luiscano to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[22:57] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:1 Abstentions:4
[22:57] <meetingology> Motion denied
[22:57] <s-fox> Sorry Luiscano
[22:57] <belkinsa> Good try, Luiscano.
[22:57] <Luiscano> Omg, y porque?
[22:57] <IdleOne> Luiscano: You do a lot of good work for the FOSS community in general but Ubuntu membership requires some more Ubuntu specific work. Please continue your good work and I hope to see you reapply in the future
[22:58] <Pendulum> Sorry Luiscano, we'd love to see you back with some more specific to Ubuntu work and an updated wiki page.
[22:59] <chilicuil> Luiscano: traduciendo del UMB: haces un excelente trabajo con la comunidad de software libre en general, pero la membresia de Ubuntu, requiere mas trabajo en Ubuntu en si mismo, por favor continua trabajando y estares felices de volver a revisar tu aplicacion en el futuro
[22:59] <chilicuil> Luiscano: por el momento continuaremos con la junta, si tienes otras dudas, puedes traerlas al final de la sesion ;)
[22:59] <s-fox> #subtopic belkinsa
[23:00] <belkinsa> Ready
[23:00] <cjohnston> can we vote?
[23:00] <s-fox> hey belkinsa  :)
[23:00] <s-fox> please introduce yourself
[23:00] <belkinsa> I will give you the links to my LaunchPad profile: https://launchpad.net/~belkinsa and my wiki User Page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/belkinsa first before introducing myself.
[23:00]  * cjohnston tried
[23:00] <belkinsa> I am Svetlana Belkin and I am an active person in the Ubuntu Community.  Most of my work deals with helping others to get involved with the Ubuntu Community- men and women, alike- in order for the Community to grow.  One example is Ubuntu Women and my work on improving the "Get Involved!" page and collecting stories from other members of the team in order to inspire others.  I am also trying to get Ubuntu Ohio, the LoCo that I am in, mor
[23:00] <belkinsa> e connected.
[23:00] <belkinsa> There, everything is said about me.
[23:01] <belkinsa> I came prepared for this.
[23:01] <s-fox> is anyone here in support of belkinsa ? :)
[23:01] <bkerensa> I just want to quickly add my support and +1 for belkinsa's application her work has been amazing
[23:01] <knome> yes!
[23:01] <slickymaster-wor> me also
[23:01] <jrgifford> I highly recommend belkinsa for her work in the Ohio LoCo.
[23:01] <knome> +1 from me, belkinsa is very helpful on docs.
[23:01] <s-fox> oh my oh my hehe
[23:01] <belkinsa> bkerensa is for the doc team.
[23:01] <s-fox> #vote belkinsa to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[23:01] <meetingology> Please vote on: belkinsa to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[23:01] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[23:01] <s-fox> +1 , no doubt
[23:01] <meetingology> +1 , no doubt received from s-fox
[23:02] <slickymaster-wor> +1 from we, she has proved herself as a fabulous member of the NewDocs team
[23:02] <Pendulum> +1 you've done excellent work :)
[23:02] <meetingology> +1 you've done excellent work :) received from Pendulum
[23:02] <cjohnston> +1
[23:02] <meetingology> +1 received from cjohnston
[23:02] <micahg-work> +1
[23:02] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg-work
[23:02] <chilicuil> +1, keep up the good work, the doc team needs lots of love =)
[23:02] <meetingology> +1, keep up the good work, the doc team needs lots of love =) received from chilicuil
[23:02] <s-fox> #endvote
[23:02] <meetingology> Voting ended on: belkinsa to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[23:02] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[23:02] <meetingology> Motion carried
[23:02] <knome> slickymaster-wor, you can't vote though ;)
[23:02] <s-fox> Congrats!
[23:02] <s-fox> :D
[23:02] <elacheche_anis> Congrats belkinsa :)
[23:03] <knome> congrats belkinsa
[23:03] <jrgifford> Congrats!!
[23:03] <belkinsa> Thank you everyone for the support and thank you Membership Board for this.
[23:03] <Pendulum> belkinsa: congrats and welcome!
[23:03]  * belkinsa bows
[23:03] <slickymaster-wor> I know, knome, just as a support
[23:03] <s-fox> #subtopic elacheche_anis
[23:03] <knome> :)
[23:03] <elacheche_anis> hey :)
[23:03] <s-fox> elacheche_anis: are you here? please introduce yourself
[23:03] <s-fox> :D
[23:03] <elacheche_anis> I'm Anis a Junior SysAdmin from TUNISIA, a GNU/Linux & Ubuntu user since 2007. I joined Ubuntu-tn after a year as regular member.. And now I'm a Management Commitee Member as the coodinator of the Events Team(Since 3 years)..
[23:03] <elacheche_anis> My wiki is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/elacheche & my LP is https://launchpad.net/~elacheche
[23:04] <elacheche_anis> unfortunately (for me) most of my LoCo active members are not online tonight, there is only LunaPersa I think x) :/ but you can find there Tetimonials in my wiki any way :) x)
[23:04] <elacheche_anis> Any questions? :)
[23:04] <IdleOne> belkinsa: I was reading and didn't get a chance to vote in time. but +1 from me too and congrats
[23:04] <belkinsa> It's cool and thank you, IdleOne.
[23:04] <lunapersa> hello i'm ubuntu-tn  MC member  i'm here to support  elacheche_anis
[23:05] <s-fox> elacheche_anis:  what ubuntu-tn events are you coordinating in 2014?
[23:06] <chilicuil> elacheche_anis: what do you mean by administrator of the ubuntu-tn-users team, tn users cannot join the ubuntu-tn directly?, why do you require a separated team?
[23:06] <elacheche_anis> For now we're preparing an Ubuntu Touch Dev event..  It'll be maybe for the next month.. Will do it with a FOSS association and 2 univercities clubs
[23:07] <elacheche_anis> And we're preparing the UGH14.04
[23:08] <elacheche_anis> chilicuil, our ML is managed by the LP group.. There is many spams so we need to monitor the ML
[23:08] <elacheche_anis> The MC members monitor the ML membership using LP
[23:09] <s-fox> Time to vote :)
[23:09] <s-fox> #vote elacheche_anis for Ubuntu Membership
[23:09] <meetingology> Please vote on: elacheche_anis for Ubuntu Membership
[23:09] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[23:10] <IdleOne> +1
[23:10] <meetingology> +1 received from IdleOne
[23:10] <hggdh> +1
[23:10] <meetingology> +1 received from hggdh
[23:10] <s-fox> +1 yes
[23:10] <meetingology> +1 yes received from s-fox
[23:10] <micahg-work> +1
[23:10] <cjohnston> +1
[23:10] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg-work
[23:10] <meetingology> +1 received from cjohnston
[23:10] <Pendulum> +1
[23:10] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[23:10] <chilicuil> +1, keep up the good work!
[23:10] <meetingology> +1, keep up the good work! received from chilicuil
[23:10] <s-fox> #endvote :)
[23:10] <meetingology> Voting ended on: elacheche_anis for Ubuntu Membership
[23:10] <meetingology> Votes for:7 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[23:10] <meetingology> Motion carried
[23:10] <elacheche_anis> Awesome :D Thx guys :)
[23:10] <s-fox> Congrats!
[23:10] <IdleOne> Congrats elacheche_anis
[23:10] <lunapersa> congrats elacheche_anis
[23:10] <elacheche_anis> Thx guys :)
[23:10] <lunapersa> :D :D
[23:10] <belkinsa> Congtaz.
[23:11] <hggdh> elacheche_anis: you are very welcome
[23:11] <elacheche_anis> :)
[23:11] <Pendulum> elacheche_anis: congrats!
[23:11] <s-fox> alright, that is it. Thanks everyone for coming and congrats to all who were approved !
[23:11] <lunapersa> :)
[23:11] <s-fox> #endmeeting
[23:11] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb  6 23:11:43 2014 UTC.
[23:11] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-02-06-22.05.moin.txt
[23:11] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-02-06-22.05.html
[23:11] <slickymaster-wor> thanks s-fox
[23:11] <elacheche_anis> Thx @All :) Have a good night :)
[23:11] <micahg-work> thanks s-fox
[23:12] <hggdh> thanks s-fox :-)
[23:12] <IdleOne> thank you
[23:12] <belkinsa> Thank you everyone.
[23:12] <slickymaster-wor> obrigado hggdh
[23:12] <slickymaster-wor> thanks IdleOne
[23:12] <hggdh> slickymaster-wor: sempre um prazer em ver mais portugueses por cá :-)
[23:12] <belkinsa> What happened to that first applicatant?
[23:13] <s-fox> did not come to the meeting
[23:13] <belkinsa> Ah
[23:14] <s-fox> Goodnight everyone.
[23:14] <belkinsa> Night.
[23:15] <slickymaster-wor> hggdh, é verdade
[23:19] <elacheche_anis> nizarus, you're late :p :D
[23:32] <JHOSMAN> Hello!
[23:33] <hggdh> JHOSMAN: I am sorry, but you are late for the Membership Board meeting. It has already ended
[23:46] <JHOSMAN> hggdh: I was busy and I ended up agreeing, who were approved?


[11:56] <Tm_T> moin
[20:56] <erUSUL> !google
[20:56] <Tm_T> erm
[20:56] <vish> Pici: hi... any news on the -artwork channel?
[20:56] <maco> why do the two bots behave differently?
[20:56] <Tm_T> maco: because the other one is not ubottu
[20:57] <maco> ok... why does uBOTu-fr speak english?
[20:58] <erUSUL> maco: suppybot does. is a help message from the google plugin
[20:58] <erUSUL> afaics
[20:59] <Tm_T> niko: is that your bot? (maintainer should be mentioned somewhere where whois can show it IMO)
[21:03] <erUSUL> yes is niko's bot; quite usefull;
[21:03]  * erUSUL thanks niko
[21:21] <hsly> Hi all
[21:23] <erUSUL> hi
[21:27] <hsly> Forgive for my not so good English. Advise the distribution kit linux for the old computer
[21:30] <guntbert> hsly: this is no support channel - try to ask in ##linux please
[21:32] <hsly> I am engaged in distribution linux in the city and very often there are computers with cpu <700Mhz and <128Mb RAM


[06:15]  * bryce_ waves
[06:18]  * wgrant swats bryce_ from across the room.
[06:22] <tjaalton> wgrant: where the heck are you then :)
[06:23] <wgrant> tjaalton: I'm assuming he's in the lobby, but I admittedly can't see him down here any more.
[06:23] <tjaalton> wgrant: ha, we are on the second floor
[06:23] <bryce_> timo and I are on the second floor lobby
[06:26] <bryce_> tjaalton: bug 306014
[06:26] <wgrant> Oh.
[06:28] <bryce_> heya tseliot
[06:28] <tseliot> hi bryce
[17:14] <lool> tjaalton: okay thanks


[07:24] <Darkey> Hi :)
[19:57] <hwpplayer1> hi people
[19:57] <ev__> o/
[19:59] <hwpplayer1> when will it start
[20:01] <hwpplayer1> hi
[20:03] <kyrofa> Welcome hwpplayer1!
[20:17] <kyrofa> For an introduction to enabling proposed along with pinning for selective upgrades: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[21:00] <ev__> thanks!
[21:00] <hwpplayer1> thanks
[21:09] <sergiusens> \o/
[21:09] <sergiusens> enjoy the holidays everyone (if applicable)!


[02:27] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:44] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: You of all people should know by now that all flavors of Ubuntu > 18.04 use the firefox snap. No exceptions. We cannot deviate or provide our own package. Furthermore, it's #ubuntustudio, not #ubuntu-studio.
[03:45] <Eickmeyer> *all supported flavors
[03:59] <leftyfb> Eickmeyer: he insisted it was a fresh install of ubuntu studio and the only change he made was doing regular updates. So I thought maybe studio did things a little differently. I was wrong. Not the first time and won't be the last
[03:59] <leftyfb> I also joined #ubuntu-studio and saw you in there and assumed that was the right place
[04:00] <leftyfb> did they get helped?
[04:01] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: I forgot, it's aliased. And, sadly, there has been nothing but joins/parts for the past 10 hours in there, so no, they didn't even join.
[04:01] <Eickmeyer> Redirects to other channels are less effective than you might think.
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/01/ubuntu-2204-linux-6-5-kernel-update
[17:20] <Menzador> Already supporting 802.11be when there aren't any devices on the general market for it - that's futureproofing if I ever saw it
[17:21] <Menzador> Also, preamble puncturing could be a game-changer
[17:26] <pragmaticenigma> I wouldn't call it future proofing, because while 802.11be is a "standard" the vendors will inevitably make their implementation "special"


[04:12] <tgm4883> mhall119, should this community lens work the way it is?
[14:03] <mhall119> tgm4883: it'll work, but it won't do anything without scopes
[15:58] <tgm4883> mhall119, weird, I didn't even see it in the dash after I installed it
[16:04] <mhall119> tgm4883: you need to restart Unity for it to find new lenses
[16:04] <tgm4883> mhall119, I rebooted :)
[16:04] <tgm4883> let me pull down the branch and try again here
[16:06] <tgm4883> mhall119, python setup.py install
[16:06] <tgm4883> that should do it right?
[16:08] <mhall119> oh, I have no idea if that works
[16:08] <tgm4883> heh
[16:08] <mhall119> I always use a package or "sudo quickly install"
[16:09] <tgm4883> mhall119, is that a quickly-rewrite function?
[16:09] <tgm4883> tmashos@tmashos-wks:~/code/unity-community-lens$ sudo quickly install
[16:09] <tgm4883> ERROR: No install command found.
[16:09] <tgm4883> Candidate commands are: commands, getstarted, help, quickly
[16:10] <mhall119> tgm4883: you need the unity lens template installed
[16:10] <mhall119> quickly-unity-lens-template
[16:10] <tgm4883> ah, I don't have that HERE
[16:10] <tgm4883> only at work
[16:10] <tgm4883> err, home
[16:10] <tgm4883> although that is installed now, that command still doens't work
[16:12] <mhall119> :/
[16:12] <mhall119> do you have a .quickly file in that directory?
[16:12] <tgm4883> mhall119, nope
[16:13] <mhall119> oh...hmmm, maybe I didn't use Quickly for that one
[16:14] <mhall119> tgm4883: on a call atm, but I'll help you manually install it in a few
[16:14] <tgm4883> ok
[16:54] <mhall119> tgm4883: alrighy, got time?
[16:54] <tgm4883> yea
[16:55] <mhall119> alright, I'm kind of surprised that "sudo setup.py install" didn't work, because I think all the setup info is correct
[16:55] <mhall119> but we'll walk through it step by step
[16:55] <mhall119> first off, do you have the directory /usr/share/unity/lenses/community and if so, what's in it?
[16:55] <tgm4883> mhall119, is this correct
[16:55] <tgm4883> * tsdgeos has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[16:55] <tgm4883> err
[16:55] <tgm4883> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1438517/
[16:55] <tgm4883> that was odd
[16:57] <tgm4883> I don't have that directory
[16:57] <tgm4883> tmashos@tmashos-wks:~/code/unity-community-lens$ ls /usr/share/unity/lenses/
[16:57] <tgm4883> applications  commands  files  music  video
[16:57] <mhall119> your pastebin says it was created...
[16:58] <tgm4883> it's being installed to /usr/local it seems instead of /usr
[16:58] <mhall119> oh, so it was
[16:58] <mhall119> well there's your problem ;)
[16:58] <tgm4883> :)
[16:58] <tgm4883> so unity doesn't look there?
[16:59] <tgm4883> in that case, then is there a way to force setup.py to use /usr instead of /usr/local?
[17:02] <tgm4883> sudo python setup.py install --prefix=/usr
[17:02] <tgm4883> there we go
[17:03] <tgm4883> mhall119, that was indeed the issue, after restarting unity, I can now see the lens
[18:28] <mhall119> tgm4883: bobweaver: no meeting today?
[18:28] <tgm4883> mhall119, ah crickey, got busy trying to fix puppet-dashboard :/
[19:55] <bobweaver> sorry about that all I am sick today
[19:57] <bobweaver> shouln't python setup.py scripts ne installing to DESTDIR and not to local ?
[21:35] <mhall119> bobweaver: it's entirely possible my setup.py is wrong
[21:35] <mhall119> I don't fully understand how distutils works
[21:37] <tgm4883> bobweaver, mhall119 no, it goes to the default 3rd party python module install location
[21:38] <tgm4883> which according to python docs, is probably /usr for packaged python
[21:38] <tgm4883> so it's entirely possible that installed python has the incorrect setting for that (or there was a reason to choose /usr/local/)
[21:38] <tgm4883> but it's not an issue with setup.py
[21:39] <tgm4883> clarification, not an issue with the one mhall119 created
[22:14] <bobweaver> most people set there code to be set up to go to /usr/local because that is the place that non-main/partner and all that stuff goes but again I am not good python dev but I do know that in ackaging if it is not going to DESTDIR that it will install local when building the package and not to the DESTDIR / debian/source
[22:16] <bobweaver> I think that is why when one runs dh_make -whatever it tells you "make sure that your makefile is set up to install to Destdir and not local " or it will install to local machine and not in <source>/debian/source
[22:16] <bobweaver> could be wrong though ^^
[22:19] <bobweaver> so say I had a package that installed to /usr right there are many ways that I can do this but I would say the easy way out would be a makefile
[22:19] <bobweaver> #!/usr/bin/make
[22:19] <bobweaver> all:
[22:19] <bobweaver> install:
[22:20] <bobweaver>         cp -r $(CURDIR)/usr  $(DESTDIR)/
[22:21] <bobweaver> that is it it would copy everything from the CURDIR (surrent directory)/usr if I hade a folder called usr in <source> to debian folder
[22:21] <tgm4883> bobweaver, http://docs.python.org/2/install/index.html
[22:21] <tgm4883> err http://docs.python.org/2/install/index.html#how-installation-works
[22:21] <bobweaver> I could also do  cp -r $(CURDIR)/src $(DESTDIR)/some/path
[22:22] <bobweaver> I see cool it says to set up as --prefix just like cmake well kinda
[22:23] <bobweaver> can you use DESTDIR in setup ?
[22:23] <bobweaver> I guess that there would be no point in that though
[22:24] <bobweaver> me and my 2008 packaging recipes lol
[22:24] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  what is lens ?
[22:24] <bobweaver> sorr what kinda lens is it ?
[22:28] <bobweaver> mhall119,  that dude that you sent in my direction (design) well one of them is on board and is going to help out. It turns out that I knew him from UDS tgm4883  he took the cab ride back to airport with us (the dude that was hungover) but yeah his stuff looks great mhall119  SO HAPPY THAT YOU POINTED THEM 2 OUT TO ME
[22:28] <bobweaver> sorry about caps
[22:28] <tgm4883> bobweaver, what do you mean?
[22:29] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  so I am looking for help with some design right for like some of the things that I am making because well I suck at design and mike pointed out some great design peps for me to get ahold of
[22:29] <bobweaver> like for this
[22:29] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/239385
[22:30] <bobweaver> Or things like
[22:31] <bobweaver> com'on network pick it up already
[22:31] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/239397
[22:31] <bobweaver> It just looks ugly to me and needs to be re-designed also other alpha things that I am working on.
[22:32] <bobweaver> like form-factor (phone,gaming,tablet) these are all things that will never make it to unity (IDT) but it is good to be able to say yeah it works and this is a MOCKUP for it
[22:51] <mhall119> bobweaver: I'm happy to get you two together
[22:52] <bobweaver> mhall119,  again you are awesome point blank
[22:52] <bobweaver> :)
[22:52] <bobweaver> I am talking to snwh atm also :)


[10:48] <_ion> Sigh.
[12:22] <_ion> keybuk: Btw, how about LUA for an alternative to sh in jobs? liblua* are so small that moving them to /lib shouldn't be a problem.
[12:23] <_ion> It's a quite nice language.
[12:24] <Keybuk> it's a nice syntax, but it's a pain since you have to code every single damned function primitive yourself <g>
[02:18] <_ion> keybuk: Btw, are you familiar with the dovecot library?
[02:18] <_ion> keybuk: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@dovecot.org:/home/cvs co dovecot, see dovecot/src/lib
[02:23] <Keybuk> no?
[02:23] <Keybuk> I'm familiar with dovecot, obviously
[02:25] <Keybuk> most C programs end up acquiring their own "standard library"
[02:25] <Keybuk> or they use another like glib wholesale
[02:25] <_ion> The library is somewhat similar to e.g. libnih and glib. The interesting thing is the data stack / mempool stuff.
[02:26] <_ion> (It's not dovecot-specific, although it has been developed with dovecot. At least icecapd+irssi2 use it in addition to dovecot.)
[02:27] <Keybuk> yeah, I do have a long-running nih todo about temporary memory
[02:27] <Keybuk> upstart does use it to a small degree (mostly in message processing)
[02:27] <Keybuk> I'd somewhat like it to be compatible with nih_alloc though, as being able to steal temporary data is useful
[02:28] <Keybuk> the overhead for a job definition is quite high
[02:29] <Keybuk> I have a vague thought about it though
[02:29] <Keybuk> allocations with no parents could have a certain minimum size, say one page
[02:29] <Keybuk> if child allocations to those could be fitted into that page, they would
[02:30] <Keybuk> I'm not sure how to structure that to reduce overhead though
[06:13] <_ion> keybuk: Jobs need to be able to *programmatically* create new jobs. :-)
[06:13] <_ion> A pseudo-code example for the mount job:
[06:13] <_ion> start on startup
[06:13] <_ion> start ruby  # Not that Ruby is ever going to be an Upstart scripting language
[06:13] <_ion>   # ...
[06:14] <_ion>   mountpoints.each do |mountpoint|
[06:14] <_ion>     deps = mountpoint_deps mountpoint
[06:14] <_ion>     job = Upstart::Job.new "mount-" + mountpoint.sanitize
[06:14] <_ion>     job.on job.and(deps.map {|dep| "filesystem-mounted " + dep })
[06:14] <_ion>     job.start :script, 'mount $1; emit filesystem-mounted $1'
[06:14] <_ion>   end
[06:14] <_ion> end lua
[06:16] <_ion> I didn't think about race conditions etc, though. It's just a quick example.
[06:16] <_ion> I also forgot to add 'and block-device-added ...' to the 'on' list.
[06:17] <Keybuk> start ruby, but end lua ? :p
[06:17] <Keybuk> err
[06:17] <Keybuk> how is that different from just emitting an event with the requisite details?
[06:18] <_ion> Hah. I first wrote 'start lua, end lua' but then thought i'd use ruby instead. Forgot to change the end line. :-)
[06:18] <Keybuk> the trouble with trying to define a job like that is ... what happens if the event happens before the job is registered? :p
[06:20] <_ion> Yes, filesystem-mounted events must not happen before that's processed. Perhaps make a special pre-startup event for metajobs, and process other job after they have done their thing.
[06:22] <_ion> It would seem cleanest if the mount job computed the prerequisite mountpoints instead of the fsck job that emits the event the mount jobs act on.
[07:18] <_ion> Another approach: http://soijabanaani.net/tmp/upstart-mount
[12:01] <Lrrr_> hello, how do I make upstart reread it config files?
[12:09] <_ion> He was in a hurry.