[00:04] <cluelessperson_> like, I don't want the star on the keyboard to map to favorites.... *ever*
[00:07] <tomreyn> probably something in the area of combining xev + xmodmap
[00:07] <tomreyn> ...if you run X
[00:17] <nuala> The star in the keyboard.... Like F8 or such? Is this a laptop? You have a 'Fn Key'? That should modify it. There could even be a 'bios' setting such that F8 would be F8 and 'Fn+F8' would be 'the star key'
[00:31] <cluelessperson_> nuala, laptop, yeah, and no, I said *specific* and *certain*, as in individually disable.   Fn key is a global function
[00:34] <nuala> Oh sorry. I misunderstood then!
[01:56] <linsux> when i add a .snap package, how can i create shortcut in menu?
[01:56] <linsux> i don't see it
[02:06] <Intelo> is it normal to view other users' home dir files in ubuntu?
[02:06] <Intelo> is it normal to be able to* view other users' home dir files in ubuntu?
[02:07] <lotuspsychje> yes
[02:08] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | Intelo see also
[02:09] <toddc> linsux: assuming standard default Gnome desktop click on show applications (bottom left 9 dots) find the program/snap right click add to favorites
[02:12] <linsux> error while loading shared libraries: libatk-1.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:12] <linsux> in snap
[02:13] <Intelo> lotuspsychje don't like default behaviour. less secure/private
[02:15] <lotuspsychje> Intelo: file a wishlist bug, and maybe the devs might listen to your idea
[02:15] <linsux> which snap package has libatk?
[02:16] <Intelo> lotuspsychje thanks
[02:20] <toddc> linsux: many -- snap packages should have all needed libraries installed so it could be bad snap or host unable to share the librarie
[02:22] <linsux> ok i reinstalled and it works
[02:22] <linsux> strange
[02:22] <linsux> i remove and reinstalled
[02:22] <toddc> as long as it works
[02:23] <linsux> if i add the .snap package, will it update it later?
[02:23] <linsux> when there's new release
[02:24] <toddc> yes
[02:24] <imbezol> Intelo: edit /etc/adduser.conf to set the permissions you want homedirs created with
[02:25] <linsux> so .snap has the repository too
[02:25] <linsux> i mean that .snap file
[02:25] <toddc> sort of yes
[02:26] <Intelo> imbezol thanks
[02:27] <Intelo> imbezol lotuspsychje it seems when  I press alt,ctrl, F1/2/3/4 , each user asks for wifi password or main sudo user password. the main user already connected interent. so is there a solution by which all get internet? (assuming that the first user who loggedin, already set the internet up). This is a desktop system
[02:28] <imbezol> go into your network settings, find the interface, select connect automatically, and select all users may connect to this network
[02:28] <arraybolt3_> linsux: Note that there are ways of installing Snaps that makes them not update (I think it's --dangerous and --devmode that do this).
[02:29] <arraybolt3_> So if you used one of those options, be warned.
[02:38] <Intelo> imbezol connect auto was already there but still i get this first sudo user password prompt. Also there are no "to be allowed users" list https://imgur.com/UxsT1n3.png
[04:04] <Holarctic> Hi, Im trying to install https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/2.36-0ubuntu2
[04:04] <Holarctic> but I have no idea how
[04:05] <Holarctic> Im using Ubuntu 22.04
[04:06] <Holarctic> current version of glibc in ppa is 2.32, and I need at least 2.35
[04:06] <Holarctic> is there a ppa with more up to date version of it that I can use?
[04:51] <arraybolt3> Holarctic: Upgrading libc is, like, one of the ultimate "don't ever, ever, EVER do this" things in Ubuntu.
[04:51] <tripp4h> i'm having a problem installing the purple-facebook plugin for pidgin, libpurple0 isn't available and if i try to install the .deb package it says about dependencies.
[04:51] <Holarctic> arraybolt3 Im not going to do it
[04:51] <Holarctic> I was mistaken, thing that I need from it is coming in 2.38
[04:52] <arraybolt3> Holarctic: Sorry. What you might be able to do is run a rolling-release distro like Arch in a virtual machine and run the app you need in there.
[04:52] <Holarctic> and I dont imagine ubuntu is going to support it any time soon
[04:53] <tripp4h> used this page's instructions to install: https://jgeboski.github.io/#package-repositories
[04:54] <arraybolt3> Holarctic: Another possible solution would be to build libc from source and use it only for the one app that needs it, like described here: https://serverfault.com/questions/422396/what-can-go-wrong-with-a-glibc-upgrade
[04:55] <arraybolt3> I would guess you would use LD_LIBRARY_PATH to tell your app which libc to use.
[04:56] <Holarctic> hmm its worth looking into
[04:58] <Holarctic> at least itll be another project to have my professor say, this is not what Im looking for
[07:19] <cbreak> Holarctic: quick solutions are to use LXC to create a container with that thing inside, or a docker container, or something similar.
[07:20] <cbreak> you can get some bleeding edge rolling release distro for that. It'll probably break every few weeks, as they do, but it will have new things
[07:22] <cbreak> but it seems 22.04 has glibc source 2.35, and 22.10 will have 2.36. Not sure how this connects to the actual glibc.
[07:23] <cbreak> libc6/jammy-updates,now 2.35-0ubuntu3.1 amd64 [installed]
[07:23] <cbreak> seems it's the same
[07:56] <Holarctic> cbreak thanks for the suggestion, Im gonna try a docker container. I should learn docker, and theres no day like today
[07:57] <Holarctic> Also it would appear that I didnt upgrade my packages and I was running an old version
[08:30] <palme> hi all Bus 001 Device 004: ID 2357:0108 TP-Link TL-WN822N Version 4 RTL8192EU
[08:30] <palme>  on ubuntu 22.04 die verbindung wird unterbrochen
[08:34] <oerheks> palme,  i see 2 github projects, https://github.com/clnhub/rtl8192eu-linux  and https://github.com/Mange/rtl8192eu-linux-driver,
[08:34] <oerheks> 1st one should be supported up to the next kernel 6.0
[08:38] <palme> oerheky danke für schnelle antwort
[08:39] <DocMors> this maybe a silly question but how do you make an app run in a specific netns?
[08:41] <Habbie> ip netns exec
[08:42] <DocMors> Habbie, so that would mean 'ip netns exec firefox' for example?
[08:43] <Habbie> yes
[08:43] <Habbie> uh, plus the actual NETNS name
[08:44] <DocMors> as simple as that, I thought that was only used to modify the namespace itself
[08:44] <DocMors> thanks a mil
[08:44] <ldericher> hi, with the last few upgrades I had some packages "held back" so i had to `apt install` them manually, then `apt-mark` them as auto-installed. Even `apt dist-upgrade` didn't try to install them - what am I doing wrong?
[08:50] <ravage> ldericher, use upgrade instead of install next time.
[08:50] <ravage> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[08:50] <ravage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates
[08:51] <ogra> we should really have a factoid explaining phased updates ...
[08:51] <Intelo> I removed /etc/postgresql and reinstalled it but now it doesn't goes up. How can i fix?
[08:52] <ravage> or apt could et least mention the reason why packages are held back
[08:52] <ogra> that too
[08:53] <Intelo> Active: active (exited)
[08:53] <ravage> Intelo, check the log output for that service
[08:54] <Intelo> Sep 12 11:48:27 3400g systemd[1]: Starting PostgreSQL RDBMS...
[08:54] <Intelo> Sep 12 11:48:27 3400g systemd[1]: Finished PostgreSQL RDBMS.
[08:54] <Intelo> ok checking
[08:55] <ravage> also a reinstall does not always work without a porper purge of all files
[08:57] <Intelo> could not bind IPv4 address "<IP_ADDRESS>": Address already in use
[08:57] <Intelo>  lock file "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432.lock" alread
[08:58] <Intelo> ravage any clues?
[08:58] <ldericher> ravage, so the packages are "held back" as long as they're not stable enough?
[08:59] <ravage> ldericher, yes
[09:00] <ravage> Intelo, did you try to reboot the server? looks like there is already a running instance of that database
[09:00] <Intelo> doing
[09:00] <ravage> active (exited) seems to be normal
[09:00] <ravage> i testes it on a fresh 22.04 container
[09:01] <ravage> ok. waiting for him to come back :P
[09:02] <ldericher> ravage, thanks :)
[09:11] <Intelo> I removed and reinstalled postgresql. No I do not have a directory named /etc/postgresql/<number> . It was there before. Actually i deleted the 'postgresql' dir first but now after reinstall, its not being created and pg isn't runign
[09:14] <ravage> Intelo, what does "sudo systemctl status<EMAIL_ADDRESS>output
[09:15] <Intelo> I guess I should have 14. (also had 12 but not 13)
[09:15] <Intelo> checking
[09:15] <ravage> then try 14
[09:19] <Intelo> ravage funny https://pastebin.mozilla.org/1nhpPWuL
[09:19] <ravage> Intelo, do you need the database contents?
[09:20] <ravage> or do you have a backup?
[09:20] <Intelo> db is not an issue
[09:20] <ravage> then remove all installed postgres packages with --purge
[09:21] <Intelo> how?
[09:21] <Intelo> sudo apt purge postgresql-14 postgresql ?
[09:21] <ravage> one moment. i have to look up how you find old config files of removed packages
[09:21] <ravage> do the autoremove first
[09:22] <ravage> 'sudo apt autoremove'
[09:22] <Intelo> now which one I install? postgresql or postgresql14?
[09:23] <ravage> does "sudo dpkg -l | grep '^rc' | awk '{print $2}'" show any postgres stuff?
[09:23] <Intelo> no
[09:24] <ravage> then try "sudo apt install postgresql-14 postgresql-client-14 postgresql-client-common postgresql-common"
[09:24] <Intelo> all already installed
[09:24] <Intelo> but /etc/postgresql/<here> does not exists
[09:25] <ravage> try it with --reinstall
[09:25] <Intelo> doing
[09:26] <Intelo> same
[09:26] <ravage> "sudo apt purge postgresql-14 postgresql-client-14 postgresql-client-common postgresql-common"
[09:26] <ravage> then install again
[09:26] <Intelo> done
[09:27] <Intelo> what next>>?
[09:27] <ravage> result?
[09:27] <Intelo> it purged
[09:27] <ravage> do the install command
[09:28] <Intelo> donig
[09:30] <Intelo> ravage postgesql-common dir was created but other thigns same
[09:31] <ravage> "sudo mkdir /etc/postgresql/14; sudo pg_createcluster 14 main"
[09:32] <Intelo> isn't it Configuring already existing cluster (configuration: /etc/postgresql/14/main, data: /var/lib/postgresql/14/main, owner: 124:135)
[09:32] <Intelo> Error: move_conffile: required configuration file /var/lib/postgresql/14/main/postgresql.conf does not exist
[09:33] <ravage> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2748607/how-to-thoroughly-purge-and-reinstall-postgresql-on-ubuntu
[09:33] <ravage> try option B here
[09:40] <Intelo> ravage seems working. checking
[09:41] <Cmccrorie> Hey I need some help please, on Ubuntu 20.04 I was able to run: "/usr/bin/localectl set-keymap gb" to set the keyboard to UK layout. However, I am trying to set this now on Ubuntu 22.04 and when I run that I now get the error: "Failed to set keymap: Keymap gb is not installed.". Can anyone help? Am I missing a package that I need to install for the UK layout?
[09:45] <cbreak> Cmccrorie: does dpkg-reconfigure locales help?
[09:48] <Intelo> ravage thank you! now only left with https://pastebin.mozilla.org/26oxmZWV
[09:51] <ravage> Intelo, https://tecadmin.net/postgresql-allow-remote-connections/
[09:53] <Cmccrorie> cbreak,unfortunately not. that would have been useful for set-locale and at the moment I have that working. It is the set-keymap that does not seem to be working now on Ubuntu 22.04.
[09:56] <ravage> Cmccrorie, is this a desktop system?
[09:57] <Cmccrorie> It is running on a Ubuntu 22.04 VM image.
[09:58] <Cmccrorie> ravege this one to be exact - http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/minimal/releases arch=amd64 release=jammy
[09:58] <ravage> so you do not have a GUI
[09:59] <ravage> does "loadkeys gb" work?
[10:02] <ravage> https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/all/console-data/filelist console-data should include all keymaps
[10:02] <ogra> shouldnt you just edit /etc/default/keyboard ?
[10:03] <oerheks> sudo localectl set-keymap gb
[10:03] <ogra> or "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to get the interactive kbd configuration
[10:03] <ravi_> hi
[10:04] <Cmccrorie> ravege,the loadkey command does not work. And I will take a look at etc/default/keyboard. However, I am trying to work this out as a command such as that worked with Ubuntu 20.04 so that I can then automate this process.
[10:09] <sakhd> hi guys. I have bluetooth headphones connected to my notebook with ubuntu. Is it possible to record every sound in one file? For example, I connect to some webinar and I want to record what I'm saying and what people saying
[10:11] <Forza> Hi. I have an odd issue. I am trying to run a shell script as a systemd service, but it is partly failing and I can't understand why. The shell script runs rsync --password-file=/opt/rsync/rsyncpw
[10:12] <ravage> sakhd, https://www.maketecheasier.com/record-system-sound-linux/
[10:12] <Forza> When I run the shell script manually it works fine but when I run systemctl start myservice.service it runs the shell script, but rsync gives the warning "@ERROR: auth failed on module c-disk"
[10:13] <Forza> Any idea?
[10:13] <ravage> Forza, wrong permissions to the password file?
[10:14] <Forza> ravage: no. I checked this and it is 0600 on rsync user. If I change it to something else, rsync says it has wrong permissions
[10:14] <sakhd> ravage, it record either from mic or from system :(
[10:15] <ravage> sakhd, you should be able to record a monitor source
[10:15] <Forza> Oh when I do sudo -u rsyncuser script.sh I get the same error
[10:15] <Forza> Maybe some environment issue?
[10:15] <dabbler_> sakhd, you could merge two audio files into one using audacity
[10:16] <sakhd> you mean i can record mic and system simultaneously?
[10:16] <dabbler_> Yeah, as a fallback to consider
[10:17] <kkkssf> Is there an official firefox deb package repository from mozilla for ubuntu 22.04?
[10:17] <ravage> sakhd, https://gist.github.com/varqox/c1a5d93d4d685ded539598676f550be8 for example
[10:17] <ravage> kkkssf, no
[10:18] <Forza> Hm so I do sudo -u rsyncuser bash, then run the script, I still get the same error. But why? Cat /opt/rsync/rsyncpw works, so it is readable as it should
[10:19] <sakhd> ravage, thank you. is there a simpler solution? :)
[10:21] <Forza> Hm. Could it be that rsync server is checking the user who connects, and not just the password?
[10:21] <ravage> sakhd, it may be easier with Pipewire. it has some nice GUIs like https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/helvum but never tried it
[10:22] <ravage> Forza, the password file usualls has the user: user:password
[10:23] <oerheks> kkkssf, https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/install-firefox-deb-ubuntu-22-04/ gives a ppa, but is way behind. unless you use the ESR package
[10:23] <ravage> or you can connect with user@remotehost
[10:24] <ogra> kkkssf, there is also no guarantee this PPA stays around (in which case it would just silently stop providing (security) updates) ...
[10:25] <oerheks> also ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next is out of date
[10:25] <dabbler_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/31H36jWX
[10:25] <ravage> oerheks, the answer is still just no here really :)
[10:26] <oerheks> there are many blogs that give these solutions, just saying they are EOL
[10:26] <Forza> ravage: didn't help.
[10:28] <dabbler_> I'm having a problem using grub-install, described here: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/31H36jWX. Help much appreciated!
[10:31] <Forza> ravage: https://dpaste.com/EZDQX94NE
[10:32] <Forza> Very bizzare. I think then I need to make systemd to run the shell script as root user, but it doesn't help adding user=root in the. service file
[10:32] <Forza> Maybe I should install cronie or something like that
[10:35] <Habbie> Forza, can you pastebin 'namei -l /opt/maskindata/rsyncpw'
[10:43] <Forza> Habbie: https://dpaste.com/68R6MYE4W
[10:44] <Forza> I think it must be that the rsync server expects user "root"
[10:47] <Forza> But even when I run the service as root, it still doesn't work through systemd, only when running from the shell
[10:48] <ravage> the user you run the command with does not matter at all
[10:48] <ravage> you have to authenticate to the rsyncd with the right credentials
[10:48] <Forza> I think I solved it
[10:49] <Forza> I had to do #!/bin/bash -l
[10:49] <Forza> In the script.sh that systemd service calls
[10:49] <Forza> So a login shell. Maybe without rsync can't see what user it runs at? odd anyway
[10:49] <Forza> Still only works as root and not user
[10:52] <Guest3493> hello
[10:52] <Forza> Hello Guest3493
[10:53] <Guest3493> whats is this chat about?
[10:54] <ravage> !chat | Guest3493
[10:54] <Forza> ravage: seems on the rsync server the passwd file has root:password, but can I use the same even if the client is running as another user?
[10:54] <Guest3493> (y)
[10:54] <ravage> Forza, yes
[10:55] <Forza> ravage: seems not. If I use root:password in the --password-file then it doesn't work, even as root. So maybe there is something else I am missing
[10:56] <ravage> do you connect with root@remotehost ?
[10:57] <shiba> hi there
[10:57] <Forza> ravage: no, just rsync://host/module/path
[10:58] <dabbler_> Anyone get a chance to read my problem description in that pastebin above?
[10:58] <dabbler_> shiba: hello
[11:00] <Forza> ravage: ahh. That was the issue. Rsync://root@remote/.,....
[11:00] <Forza> ravage: working now. Thank you!
[11:01]  * ravage 40 minutes ago: "or you can connect with user@remotehost"
[11:02] <ravage> but im glad you found out now
[11:02] <Forza> ravage: sorry, I missed that
[11:02] <Forza> :)
[11:02] <Forza> I am grateful for your help
[11:03] <Payam__> Hi
[11:03] <Payam__> by some reason my ubuntu 20.04 randomly reboots itself.
[11:03] <Payam__> Not really know what the problem is.
[11:03] <dabbler_> Payam__: have you done a memtest?
[11:04] <Payam__> How do I do that?
[11:04] <dabbler_> I'd search "Ubuntu test ram" or similar
[11:05] <dabbler_> Could also happen if CPU overheats
[11:05] <ravage> Payam__, but https://www.memtest.org/download/v6.00b3/mt86plus_6.00b3_64.iso.zip on a USB drive and boot it
[11:05] <dabbler_> Though I think it usually stays off in that case
[11:05] <ravage> https://www.memtest.org/ see FAQ
[11:06] <Payam__> I don't see the grub whan the computer boots up
[11:06] <Payam__> it does right to log in page
[11:06] <Payam__> dabbler_, I have a conky on and temperature is fine.
[11:07] <dabbler_> Does it show GPU temp too?
[11:07] <Payam__> no but I can try to print that out too
[11:08] <ravage> you can also check the systemlogs before the reboot
[11:08] <ravage> maybe they show something
[11:09] <ravage> "journalctl -b1" should show the right boot
[11:09] <Payam__> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k5N7RGcvhD/
[11:10] <ravage> that looks like your current boot
[11:10] <ravage> try b2 maybe
[11:11] <ravage> journalctl --list-boots
[11:11] <ravage> shows them all
[11:11] <Payam__> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tZ793gSD6J/
[11:12] <ravage> so it was up for 4 days?
[11:12] <Payam__> yes
[11:12] <Payam__> could be
[11:13] <sakhd> ravage, Kazam is the best solution. It can record both mic and system sound. But it will also record video. Anyway, it is the easiest way
[11:13] <ravage> sakhd, great :)
[11:13] <ravage> Payam__, i would do the memtest and see if that shows anything
[11:16] <dabbler_> ravage, would you mind taking a look at this? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/31H36jWX
[11:16] <ravage> dabbler_, i did. cant really help with that
[11:16] <dabbler_> Ah ok. Thanks
[11:16] <dabbler_> Hopefully someone gets back to me in #grub
[11:17] <ravage> you could try "strace -e file grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot" for example
[11:18] <ravage> or just your grub-install command
[11:18] <ravage> maybe the strace can give you mor information on which file does not exist
[11:19] <ravage> it will be a lot of information. so prepare for some deep look into that logfile
[11:20] <dabbler_> Oh yeah, that's what it's called. Vaguely remembered there was a way to see file access
[11:22] <dabbler_> I'll try that, but first… does it make sense to you that booting my system using manual grub commands and booting to installation "disc" then mounting my partitions should be equivalent as long as the target, boot-directory, and efi-directory arguments to grub-install get prepended appropriately?
[11:22] <ravage> if you can get the system to boot manually sure
[11:23] <ravage> you may get better results
[11:24] <dabbler_> I tried that following the instructions in that AskUbuntu answer, but for some reason it acted like my boot partition didn't contain a grub directory, so I couldn't proceed that way. Mounted from USB installer the directory is right there, though
[11:24] <dabbler_> I'll try again before trying strace
[11:25] <ravage> i think if that happened to me i would just wipe the drive and install fresh
[11:25] <ravage> then restore my backup :)
[11:26] <dabbler_> Well, this is my first installation of Linux on this MacBook, so I don't have any backup images of the boot and EFI partitions :(
[11:27] <dabbler_> I wish the installer had detected it was a Mac and warned me more work would be needed before it wiped out my macos installation
[11:28] <dabbler_> The installer won't result in a bootable machine out of the box
[11:28] <ravage> well. blame apple for not providing information to the open source community
[11:30] <ravage> but there are guides so install Ubuntu/Linux on apple hardware and specific models
[11:30] <ravage> i just never bothererd to look into it. never had such hardware ever
[11:31] <dabbler_> It's not really a lack of info. It's that Apple's unique EFI requires the ESP to use an HFS+ filesystem and be "blessed" (whitelisting using an apple tool) before it'll show up as an available boot device
[11:32] <dabbler_> The installer could use HFS+ for the ESP on macs but doesn't
[11:33] <dabbler_> And it seems there used to be someone's PPA that had a port of the bless tool, but it's 404 now
[11:33] <ravage> you can create that partition during the installation process
[11:34] <ravage> you just have to do the manual partition layout
[11:34] <dabbler_> It doesn't offer HFS+ as a filesystem option
[11:35] <nikolam> Why sometimes I see network interface name changes.. ?? Like I have nice, fine, Netplan settings, with network metric for 2 wired LAN adapters, and suddenly one of them stopped working , because Linux started calling it another name..
[11:35] <dabbler_> I didn't try apt installing hfsprogs before getting to that stage of the installer but I kinda doubt it'd help
[11:35] <nikolam> It happened from time to time before and happened also today.. So I needed to change my settings in netplan to name network interface, that changed it's name like by itself..
[11:36] <nikolam> Why network interface name even ghanges ?
[11:37] <nikolam> like from  enp3s0 and  netplan-enp3s0 to enp4s0
[11:37] <ravage> nikolam, there should be no changes on real hardware. it may happen on VMs after changes to the hardware configuration
[11:37] <cbreak> nikolam: changes in the pci addresses / drivers
[11:41] <ravage> dabbler_, https://randomtutor.blogspot.com/2013/02/installing-ubuntu-on-retina-macbook-pro.html did you check out Refind in general?
[11:41] <ravage> as i said i have no experience with Macs at all. but that seems to be the way to boot linux on those things
[11:42] <ravage> maybe it got easier over the years. but xou would have to check for instructions on your specific model
[11:45] <dabbler_> ravage, yeah, grub claims there's not even a 'boot' directory in the boot partition, which is bs. When mounted using the installer ISO, the directory is right there. And it's definitely the same filesystem based on what grub's ls of it shows
[11:45] <dabbler_> It's not in lvm or encrypted or anything. Just a plain old ext4
[11:47] <dabbler_> Using refind is an option but it's supposedly not necessary anymore. And at least one guide writer recommends sticking with Apple's EFI, which I'd rather do since I'm not sure I could easily restore it if I wanted to
[11:51] <dabbler_> There must be a tool to write to the firmware (since refind has to do that), but I don't know where I'd get a copy of the original EFI. Unless that same tool will back it up first. Hmm… I'll look into refind while I wait on #grub
[11:57] <nikolam> cbreak, ravage yes, real hardware HP 600 G1 i5 4570
[11:59] <oxfuxxx> hey
[12:02] <dabbler_> oxfuxxx: sup. Taking a break from the oxen? :P
[12:23] <nunya> double clicking on a .sh file  or executable .txt to run as a program doesn't work in Ubuntu 22.04. How do I get that function back? I am able to right click and get a context menu option to run as program but not double click.
[12:28] <thesyldat> Client: HexChat 2.16.0 • OS: Ubuntu "jammy" 22.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz (2,60GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7,5 Gio Total (5,3 Gio Free) Swap: 2,0 Gio Total (2,0 Gio Free) • Storage: 145,1 Go / 1,2 To (1,1 To Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 530 @ Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v5/E3-1500 v5/6th Gen Core Processor Host Bridg
[12:28] <thesyldat> e/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 2h 38m 18s
[12:34] <thesyldat> Howdy everyone
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> welcome thesyldat
[12:36] <thesyldat> Thanks
[12:36] <thesyldat> I'm fiddlin' with Hexchat trying to setup my colours the right way
[12:36] <thesyldat> :P
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | thesyldat to chitchat
[12:38] <thesyldat> oops sorry
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> nunya: maybe one of the nautilus addons from the repos
[12:46] <nunya> lotuspsychje:I use thunar. I don't like nautilus.
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> are you using anither ubuntu flavour nunya ?
[12:47] <nunya> lotuspsychje:where would I get those addons any way?
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> nunya: apt-cache search nautilus
[12:47] <nunya> lotuspsychje:I'm using Ubuntu 22.04 I added thunar because I like it better
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> nunya: nautilus-admin for example might be your case
[12:51] <nunya> Thanks!
[13:04] <eliyahutbr> shalom
[13:05] <Lacrymology> Hi. I've just rebooted after a dist upgrade, there seems to be some bios problem now, my laptop screen isn't recognized, I'm stuck at 640x480, and there's no WiFi
[13:05] <Lacrymology> I'm on the phone here and pretty desperate
[13:06] <eliyahutbr> https://pastebin.com/mLaTVb3i
[13:06] <eliyahutbr> can someone help me sort what i'm sure is an easy upgrade issue
[13:06] <eliyahutbr> i have one package that won't upgrade
[13:08] <leftyfb> Lacrymology: try reverting to the previous kernel
[13:09] <Lacrymology> Leftyfb how tho
[13:10] <oerheks> hi eliyahutbr, i just found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1341276/no-dell-linux-assistant-program-upgrade  with a link to https://launchpad.net/~somerville-dla-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=focal
[13:10] <oerheks> it seems obsolete?
[13:13] <leftyfb> Lacrymology: https://www.howtogeek.com/740797/how-to-roll-back-the-kernel-in-linux/
[13:14] <Lacrymology> This very much looks like Ubuntu tried to patch the firmware and failed
[13:15] <leftyfb> Lacrymology: ubuntu does not try to "patch firmware" as part of dist-upgrade
[13:16] <Lacrymology> Then there's something wrong since before and I've never noticed. I'll show you in a minute
[13:17] <Lacrymology> I found that it'd left some old kernels around and was able to boot, thanks
[13:17] <Lacrymology> I just wasn't sure how do access the grub menu
[13:17] <leftyfb> Lacrymology: the issue was more likely due to your latest kernel not pulling down the modules package
[13:17] <Lacrymology> Brb
[13:19] <lacrymology> okay, I'm in from the computer now, there's a lot of packages that need updating, so with any luck that'll.. help?
[13:19] <leftyfb> lacrymology:  the issue was more likely due to your latest kernel not pulling down the modules package
[13:20] <leftyfb> lacrymology: what release of ubuntu are you running?
[13:21] <lacrymology> leftyfb: 22.04 after upgrade
[13:22] <leftyfb> lacrymology: apt list --installed |grep ^linux | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:23] <lacrymology> leftyfb: I think no output
[13:23] <lacrymology> I mean, there's.. a bunch of things, like it tried to walk through my home?
[13:23] <leftyfb> lacrymology: it should have spit out a URL for uou
[13:23] <leftyfb> you*
[13:23] <lacrymology> nope
[13:24] <eliyahutbr> thanks @oerhek
[13:24] <eliyahutbr> thanks @oerheks
[13:24] <leftyfb> lacrymology: you might not have typed it correctly
[13:24] <lacrymology> leftyfb: the ^ did something in my shell, I quoted it
[13:25] <leftyfb> lacrymology: the command I gave doesn't have quotes
[13:25] <lacrymology> https://termbin.com/nbpx
[13:25] <lacrymology> leftyfb: I had to quote the `^`
[13:27] <leftyfb> lacrymology: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:28] <Guest62> Hi, I can't do a distupgrade to 22.04 LTS because my /boot is too small. My boot is 700MB and I only have a single kernel (also compressed) already. I don't see how I can reduce disk usage even more. Why does it need 580MB in /boot to do a distupgrade
[13:29] <lacrymology> leftyfb: https://termbin.com/gr2x
[13:30] <tomreyn> Guest62: because it needs to place at least one more kernel image there during the upgrade. but you can change the compression type, or include less modules, that can work around this issue.
[13:31] <leftyfb> lacrymology: you should remove --purge linux-generic-hwe-20.04
[13:31] <leftyfb> lacrymology: sudo apt remove --purge --autoremove linux-generic-hwe-20.04
[13:32] <Guest62> tomreyn: Including less modules requires me to build my own kernel, right?
[13:32] <tomreyn> Guest62: echo 'COMPRESS=xz' | sudo tee -a /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/compress >/dev/null && sudo update-initramfs -ck all
[13:32] <lacrymology> leftyfb: thanks. Why? Or rather why didn't it happen by itself? I mean, not important, just weird
[13:33] <lacrymology> I'll do it after the system finishes updating packages
[13:33] <leftyfb> lacrymology: why? because it's a package meant for 20.04. Why didn't it get removed as part of the upgrade? I don't know
[13:34] <lacrymology> I think it might have been interrupted, or worked weirdly because I left it unattended and didn't realize it was asking for my input on a couple things
[13:34] <lacrymology> thanks for the tips
[13:35] <Guest62> tomreyn: That bought me 60MB, still not enough, I need 50MB more unfortunately
[13:36] <tomreyn> Guest62: including less modules can be done with     echo 'MODULES=dep'  | sudo tee -a /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/compress >/dev/null && sudo update-initramfs -ck all
[13:36] <tomreyn> Guest62: but this can result in building an initrd which you cannot boot from.
[13:37] <Guest62> tomreyn: Alright thank you, I'll have to read up to find out if I can do that safely then, thank you for the help!
[13:40] <tomreyn> Guest62: do you actually need a separate /boot file system, though?
[13:41] <Guest62> tomreyn: I am not sure really. It appears that switching to "xz" was enough for the installer to go through. I don't quite get why but fingers crossed I can boot after hah
[13:44] <ogra> beause you also change the size requirement of the future kernel when switching compression to xz and the installer computes the new size of teh furture initrd too
[13:45] <Guest62> I assumed it was something like that, thanks for confirming. Glad the combination did the trick, didn't expect lz4/xz to have such drastic size differences
[13:46] <ogra> long term you should resize your partitoning though ... initrd's sadly tend to grow ... bigger firmware blobs, new/bigger modules etc
[13:47] <tomreyn> or move /boot to your root file system - if that's possible.
[13:47] <Guest62> I'll look into it. I'm surprised a 700MB /boot is considered too small.
[13:47] <ufuk> debian ubuntu centos
[13:48] <oerheks> This is why i like ubuntu, install in one partition standard
[13:48] <ufuk> kali linux
[13:48] <ufuk> redhat
[13:48] <ufuk> i have
[13:48] <ufuk> :==
[13:48] <tomreyn> ufuk: please stop
[13:48] <ufuk> yes yes
[13:48] <ufuk> yes
[13:48] <oerheks> ufuk, hi, this is not the trivia channel
[13:48] <tomreyn> ufuk: this channel is for ubuntu support questions only.
[13:49] <ufuk> If it's not a triva channel, it's a sex channel, right?
[13:49] <ufuk> I have a little question about ubuntu
[13:51] <ufuk> nooo
[13:56] <ravage> dabbler_, whats the status? EriC^^ usually has some EFI knowledge. But i dont know how busy he is :)
[13:57] <ravage> (and how much that helps with strange apple hardware :()
[13:58] <EriC^^> what's up ravage dabbler_ ?
[13:59] <ravage> grub on a mac. basic install does not boot. from a live USB he gets this: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/31H36jWX
[14:00] <ravage> but maybe wait if he is still around :)
[14:01] <EriC^^> first off i think he should chroot, seems he's doing stuff from outside (/media/root/blabla)
[14:01] <EriC^^> alright :)
[14:02] <EriC^^> reading the guide currently
[14:24] <dabbler_> EriC^^: hi!
[14:25] <dabbler_> I think there's at least one omission in the instructions in that AskUbuntu answer: after creating the HFS+ filesystem, they don't mount it before trying to put things in it
[14:26] <dabbler_> (I did)
[14:26] <dabbler_> I tried chrooting, but I've never done it before so didn't have much success. I didn't get very far
[14:27] <dabbler_> I thought it might not be necessary given given those arguments to grub-install
[14:28] <EriC^^> dabbler_: it seems in the guide they used the live usb to boot the actual install from grub
[14:28] <EriC^^> try restarting, press "c" in grub to get a grub> shell and follow the instructions to boot the install
[14:30] <dabbler_> Yeah, I tried following that initially, but grub ls acts like my /boot partition doesn't contain a dir called boot, even though it's there when mounted
[14:30] <dabbler_> And i definitely have the right partition
[14:30] <EriC^^> dabbler_: can you be there and here at the same time?
[14:30] <EriC^^> grub shell and irc
[14:30] <dabbler_> Based on its unique size and creation timestamp
[14:30] <dabbler_> Yeah, I'm IRCing from my phone
[14:32] <EriC^^> ok, boot into the grub shell, let me know when you're there
[14:32] <dabbler_> I'm there
[14:33] <dabbler_> My boot partition is (hd2,gpt2)
[14:33] <EriC^^> dabbler_: what does "ls (hd2,gpt2)" give?
[14:33] <EriC^^> sorry "ls (hd2,gpt2)/"
[14:34] <EriC^^> i just want to know if that's the root fs or a literal /boot partition
[14:34] <EriC^^> also does it contain a "grub" dir?
[14:34] <dabbler_> Shit, why didn't I try that lol
[14:35] <dabbler_> It contains kernels, efi/, and grub/
[14:35] <dabbler_> Plus ramdisk stuff
[14:35] <EriC^^> ok, type "cat (hd2,gpt2)/boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[14:35] <EriC^^> does that file exist?
[14:36] <dabbler_> There's no boot/
[14:36] <EriC^^> my bad, (hd2,gpt2)/grub/grub.cfg
[14:37] <dabbler_> Yep, it's there
[14:37] <EriC^^> ok, type "configfile (hd2,gpt2)/grub/grub.cfg"
[14:38] <dabbler_> Sweet, lots of action. Asking me to decrypt my LVM now
[14:38] <dabbler_> Cool, proceeding
[14:38] <EriC^^> ok, that should give you the install's grub, choosing ubuntu there should boot it up and then we continue
[14:39] <dabbler_> Nice. I'm at the login prompt. It's just standard Ubuntu server at this point, btw. No desktop env yet
[14:39] <EriC^^> gotcha
[14:40] <Windy> am i correct in my understanding that ufw is off by default in desktop 22.04?  seems like a strnage decision
[14:40] <EriC^^> dabbler_: ok, you ran sudo apt-get install mactel-boot hfsprogs gdisk grub-efi-amd64 correct?
[14:40] <dabbler_> Yes, but mactel-boot gives 404
[14:40] <ravage> Windy, there is no firewall enabled because default installation does not expose anything really
[14:41] <Windy> ravage: i see. seems like it wouldn't be an issue for it to be enabled by default then either
[14:41] <EriC^^> dabbler_: hmm that's an issue
[14:41] <EriC^^> dabbler_: what does 'which hfs-bless' give?
[14:42] <dabbler_> No output. Just newline
[14:42] <Windy> been a while since i've installed ubuntu with a gui.  is xfce still a good choice for a lightweight wm?
[14:43] <ravage> Windy, yes
[14:44] <dabbler_> EriC^^: no suggested packages if I try to invoke such a binary either
[14:44] <EriC^^> dabbler_: try giving it another go, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:detly/mactel-utils
[14:44] <Windy> nice.  just got this xps 13 9350.  it's a few years old, but all hardware appears to be 100% out of the box, so that's cool
[14:44] <EriC^^> which ubuntu version is this btw?
[14:44] <EriC^^> dabbler_: ^
[14:44] <dabbler_> 22.04.1
[14:45] <ravage> EriC^^, i see no jammy builds there
[14:45] <EriC^^> yeah so old
[14:45] <EriC^^> i wonder if it matters though, all it does is some magic to the efi file to 'bless it'
[14:46] <EriC^^> or maybe booting an old xenial live usb an doing it from there?
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> dabbler_: wich mac is this?
[14:47] <ravage> does it have a lot of dependencies?
[14:47] <dabbler_> How many versions back is the most recent?
[14:47] <dabbler_> lotuspsychje: mid-2012 pro
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> dabbler_: i installed a lot of 18.04 & 20.04 on macs working like a charm
[14:47] <EriC^^> seems the files are here, ravage latest is zesty
[14:48] <dabbler_>  lotuspsychje  So time for a second life :)
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[14:48] <EriC^^> hmm xenial it seems
[14:48] <ravage> latest mactel-boot is for xenial
[14:48] <dabbler_> Can that be temporarily force installed without causing all kinds of hell for the rest of the system?
[14:49] <tomreyn> grub-common: /usr/sbin/grub-macbless      https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/man8/grub-macbless.8.html
[14:49] <ravage> oh that looks nice tomreyn :D
[14:50] <tomreyn> i'm not sure it's the right tool. but it sounds like it could be
[14:50] <EriC^^> nice one tomreyn!
[14:50] <dabbler_> Sure does. And it's installed
[14:51] <dabbler_> "mac-style bless on HFS or HFS+"
[14:51] <EriC^^> dabbler_: type 'sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999'  or sdb if that's the disks anem
[14:51] <EriC^^> *name
[14:51] <EriC^^> it should give a link to the paste, share it here please
[14:52] <dabbler_> termbin.com/yr2b
[14:53] <ravage> i love "A true mystery!" there :D
[14:53] <dabbler_> Haha 😁
[14:53] <dabbler_> I'm so glad someone besides myself will ever get to see ut
[14:54] <EriC^^> dabbler_: type 'sudo blkid /dev/sda1'
[14:54] <EriC^^> does it saw vfat or hfs ?
[14:54] <EriC^^> *say
[14:54] <dabbler_> The latter. I got that far
[14:55] <dabbler_> Just no farther haha
[14:55] <EriC^^> ok so you formatted
[14:55] <dabbler_> After that grub-install gave me that error
[14:55] <EriC^^> did you add it to etc/fstab ?
[14:55] <dabbler_> I think so. Lemme check
[14:56] <EriC^^> see if the uuid's match and in fstab you should use /boot/efi auto
[14:56] <dabbler_> Yes. The UUID matches
[14:56] <dabbler_> and it uses 'auto' as type
[14:56] <EriC^^> ok sounds good
[14:56] <EriC^^> just as a sanity check, try 'df -h /boot/efi' it mentions /boot/efi as a mountpoint right?
[14:57] <EriC^^> (not "/")
[14:57] <EriC^^> or something
[14:58] <dabbler_> Interesting. Only one fs listed: /boot
[14:58] <EriC^^> hmm, try 'sudo mount /boot/efi'
[14:59] <dabbler_> Ah. The problem is the fstab line isn't formatted right. Another flaw in that guide
[14:59] <dabbler_> DEVNAME=/dev/sda1 UUID=…
[15:00] <dabbler_> Make it /dev/disk/by-uuid/… ?
[15:02] <dabbler_> Mounted and appears in df -h now
[15:02] <EriC^^> sorry back
[15:02] <dabbler_> Np
[15:02] <EriC^^> can you share 'cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999' ?
[15:03] <dabbler_> termbin.com/ckhy
[15:04] <EriC^^> ok looks good
[15:04] <EriC^^> hmm try 'ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999'
[15:06] <dabbler_> http://termbin.com/jw3ov
[15:07] <EriC^^> dabbler_: type "sudo cp /boot/efi/{mach_kernel,ubuntu}"
[15:07] <EriC^^> sorry
[15:08] <EriC^^> dabbler_: type "sudo cp /boot/efi/mach_kernel /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu"
[15:08] <EriC^^> you might need to do /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu
[15:11] <dabbler_> Should there be a trailing slash on ubuntu? Or you want it to be a file named that?
[15:11] <dabbler_> There's already an ubuntu dir there
[15:11] <EriC^^> no it should end up copying the file ubuntu/mach_kernel
[15:11] <dabbler_> Ok
[15:12] <dabbler_> Look right? http://termbin.com/06dv
[15:13] <EriC^^> yup, great
[15:13] <EriC^^> dabbler_: ok, give "sudo grub-install" a go
[15:14] <dabbler_> Yay! Installed with no errors
[15:14] <dabbler_> Time to bless?
[15:14] <EriC^^> great!
[15:14] <EriC^^> yes sir
[15:15] <dabbler_> Which file gets it, again?
[15:16] <EriC^^> /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/System/Library/CoreServices/boot.efi
[15:17] <dabbler_> Done
[15:17] <dabbler_> Try restarting holding opt?
[15:19] <EriC^^> yeah sounds good give it a go
[15:19] <EriC^^> not sure what you mean about holding opt though
[15:20] <ravage> i think its the boot key on a mac
[15:20] <EriC^^> aha, i think it should work without that
[15:21] <dabbler_> Damn. It's only showing me internet recovery
[15:21] <EriC^^> dabbler_: it might have a slight delay to boot, few secs you can get rid of it once it boots though
[15:21] <EriC^^> hmm
[15:21] <EriC^^> try to access the boot menu and see if ubuntu si there
[15:22] <dabbler_> The boot menu?
[15:23] <EriC^^> i think you hold down the option key while turning it on?
[15:23] <ravage> i think that is what he just did? :)
[15:24] <dabbler_> Yeah, I did that. It's not showing any partitions. Just the USB if I have it in, and then after a delay, internet recovery
[15:24] <EriC^^> haha yeah, i just noticed xD
[15:24] <EriC^^> dabbler_: ok, use the live usb again to get grub>, then "configfile (hd2,gpt2)/grub/grub.cfg"
[15:24] <dabbler_> I think the guide had something about creating a plist file within that system/CoreServices dungeon
[15:25] <dabbler_> Ok, booted to USB. Boot from next volume doesn't work. Should it?
[15:26] <EriC^^> i dont think so, maybe cause of the encryption
[15:30] <dabbler_> On my first attempt it gave me an error about not finding a /boot, but this time I'm stuck on a black screen with just an underscore cursor in the upper left
[15:30] <dabbler_> The kernel is outside the encryption, though. Is that not enough to boot to it?
[15:30] <EriC^^> dabbler_: no idea
[15:31] <EriC^^> i'd just press 'c' get grub, type 'configfile (hd2,gpt2)/grub/grub.cfg'
[15:31] <dabbler_> Ok. Oh, right. I'm going to grub
[15:31] <EriC^^> easy enough gets the job done
[15:33] <dabbler_> Ok, I'm logged in
[15:34] <EriC^^> cool
[15:34] <EriC^^> dabbler_: type 'sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999'
[15:35] <dabbler_> http://termbin.com/mvyp
[15:37] <dabbler_> Should /System/… go in the root of the /boot/efi fs?
[15:37] <EriC^^> dabbler_: hmm, what does 'sudo blkid /dev/sda1' give for the PARTUUID ?
[15:37] <EriC^^> is it 322c90d1-8ff1-4285-9d55-62f914e9cd6c ?
[15:38] <dabbler_> Yes
[15:39] <EriC^^> dabbler_: ok, let's do 2 stuff, we'll try to bless it using the blesser, and try to make out own entry
[15:39] <dabbler_> Oh, I did label the HFS+ fs "ESP" instead of the "ubuntu" it said in the instructions. Does that matter?
[15:39] <EriC^^> dabbler_: type 'wget -O /tmp/bless.deb https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/detly/mactel-utils/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mactel-boot/mactel-boot_0.9-1~xenial_amd64.deb"
[15:40] <cbreak> dabbler_: usually, efi partitions are FAT32 or similar
[15:41] <ravage> not on a mac :)
[15:41] <EriC^^> dabbler_: no it doesnt matter
[15:41] <cbreak> ... on any uefi compliant system...
[15:41] <dabbler_> cbreak: Apple's EFI is "special"
[15:41] <cbreak> I think it's also fat32 on my macs, but they're also special
[15:42] <KrakenHunterWill> is the dpkg database a database of installed applications? from deb files and apt-get?
[15:42] <dabbler_> You might be using refind or another modded efi
[15:42] <cbreak> opencore works well
[15:42] <cbreak> refind works with real macs too, although I've only helped someone else use that once and didn't use it myself
[15:42] <dabbler_> EriC^^: Is there any handy way to take text from the web into my terminal? A sort of reverse the reverse of nc termbin.com?
[15:43] <dabbler_> If not, I'll manage
[15:43] <ogra> wget piped to html2text
[15:43] <cbreak> I wonder why ubuntu still sticks with grub
[15:43] <ogra> wget -O- -q https://www.ubuntu.com | html2text
[15:43] <ogra> like that
[15:44] <EriC^^> dabbler_: are you trying to take the link i sent you?
[15:44] <ogra> cbreak, it supports more hardware
[15:44] <dabbler_> Yeah
[15:44] <cbreak> hmm...
[15:44] <ogra> (along with more amd64 including a lot of arm64 too)
[15:45] <cbreak> Yeah, I guess uefi is more an intel architecture thing
[15:45] <EriC^^> dabbler_: you can use $(wget -qO- https://termbin.com/ivft) instead
[15:46] <EriC^^> i pasted the link using termbin
[15:46] <EriC^^> wget -O /tmp/bless.dpkg $(wget -qO- https://termbin.com/ivft)
[15:46] <EriC^^> *bless.deb
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> wanna join #ubuntu-discuss cbreak ?
[15:47] <cbreak> I keep leaving because nothing's going on there... then something starts going on...
[15:49] <dabbler_> EriC^^: oh good. Thanks. I used pastebin but it's html and my grep is too rusty
[15:49] <EriC^^> np
[15:50] <dabbler_> Sweet. Got it DLed
[15:51] <EriC^^> dabbler_: ok, type "mkdir /tmp/bless"
[15:52] <EriC^^> then "dpkg -x /tmp/bless.deb /tmp/bless"
[15:52] <dabbler_> Done
[15:53] <ravage> (dpkg -i works btw without dependencie issues)
[15:53] <EriC^^> dabbler_: ok, seems to have a 'share' .plist thing so let's just copy it to where it thinks it should be
[15:53] <EriC^^> aha thanks rava
[15:53] <EriC^^> ravage
[15:53] <EriC^^> dabbler_: run 'sudo dpkg -i /tmp/bless.deb'
[15:55] <dabbler_> Success
[15:55] <EriC^^> dabbler_: try sudo hfs-bless /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/System/Library/CoreServices/boot.efi
[15:56] <tomreyn> KrakenHunterWill: apt-get uses dpkg internally, you could call it a wrapper around dpkg. i think the 'dpkg database' really just consists of files /var/lib/dpkg/status and /var/lib/dpkg/available
[15:56] <dabbler_> EriC^^: done
[15:57] <EriC^^> dabbler_: ok, you're sure btw you formatted as hfs plus and not hfs right? in case that matters
[15:57] <cbreak> I don't think old HFS still exists anywhere
[15:57] <cbreak> if I remember correctly, HFS+ came out with MacOS 8 or 9
[15:57] <dabbler_> Pretty sure, unless I slipped up
[15:57] <EriC^^> yeah but ubuntu package might have it
[15:57] <EriC^^> ok
[15:58] <EriC^^> dabbler_: let's try to add our own entry, just in case
[15:58] <tomreyn> KrakenHunterWill: see the "FILES" section in https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/man1/dpkg.1.html
[15:58] <KrakenHunterWill> tomreyn thanks a lot!!!!!!
[15:58] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[15:59] <dabbler_> EriC^^: ok. Should we confirm it's HFS+ with hfsprogs somehow?
[15:59] <ravage> "mount" should show the filesystem on /boot
[15:59] <dabbler_> Ok. Verified with fsck.hfs
[16:00] <dabbler_> Non-journaled, but says plus
[16:00] <EriC^^> dabbler_: sudo efibootmgr -c -w -l \\EFI\\ubuntu\\System\\Library\\CoreServices\\boot.efi -L "ubuntu2204" -p 1 -d /dev/sda
[16:01] <dabbler_> EriC^^: ok. It appears at the bottom of the output
[16:02] <EriC^^> dabbler_: ok, how's "sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999' looking now?
[16:03] <dabbler_> https://termbin.com/dfnr
[16:03] <dabbler_> I'll have to remember that termbin usage. That's great
[16:03] <EriC^^> ok it looks good, first in boot order
[16:03] <EriC^^> dabbler_: try restarting
[16:03] <dabbler_> K
[16:04] <dabbler_>  EriC^^ Success!
[16:04] <EriC^^> dabbler_: great!
[16:05] <EriC^^> any boot delay?
[16:05] <ravage> do you see both ubuntu's on the menu or only the 2204?
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | EriC^^
[16:05] <EriC^^> nomnom
[16:05] <dabbler_> Lol
[16:06] <dabbler_> EriC^^: no delay at all
[16:06] <dabbler_> ravage: I don't get a menu
[16:06] <ravage> even better :)
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> dabbler_: if you encounter bugs on it, please file them, thats gonna be super useful for the community
[16:07] <ravage> getting that to work on the default installer will require a lot of work an detection of hardware i think
[16:08] <EriC^^> dabbler_: if you want run 'sudo efibootmgr -B -b 0000' to remove the other entry
[16:08] <dabbler_> Somewhere in one of the guides I read it mentioned that mac EFI can be detected fairly easily, IIRC. That's probably a pretty good way to do it
[16:09] <ogra> ravage, well, since we are about to get a brandnew installer it might surely make sense to hav that stuff in the new one 😉
[16:09] <ravage> ogra, isnt the server installer of 22.04 already the "new one" `
[16:09] <ravage> ?
[16:09] <cbreak> ubuntu's creating a new installer? I hope it offers proper ZFS
[16:09] <cbreak> and not the weird zsys layout it does now
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> there's a test snap on the new installer now right ogra ?
[16:10] <dabbler_> EriC^^: good idea. Thx
[16:10] <ogra> lotuspsychje, there are even isos (since a year or so)
[16:11] <ogra> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/new-desktop-installer-preview-build/24765
[16:12] <dabbler_> I guess ideally the installer would check whether it's a Mac. If it is, check whether the EFI is the stock Apple one. If so, use HFS+ instead of vfat for /boot/efi, then bless that file after grub-install.
[16:12] <dabbler_> Checking the EFI because many users may have already put another EFI on
[16:13] <dabbler_> And if they have one that supports the fat32 standard, might as well use it
[16:13] <cbreak> dabbler_: if there's already an efi partition, why bother changing the filesystem on it?
[16:13] <EriC^^> it seems grub-install was bit buggy, it really botched the uefi entry, fwiw
[16:14] <ravage> testing https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-canary/20220912/kinetic-desktop-canary-amd64.iso now :)
[16:14] <dabbler_> cbreak: Oh, true. I'm assuming it's starting from a blank partition table
[16:16] <dabbler_> It's not Mac specific, but another thing I did wrong at first that the installer didn't say anything about was I was putting /boot within LVM. A warning that the system won't boot like that without additional work would be nice
[16:17] <cbreak> it's probably slightly off topic here, but I put / and /boot onto the same filesystem
[16:17] <cbreak> having it separate is annoying. (and has other problems too)
[16:17] <ravage> with grub you need the kernel unencrypted
[16:17] <ravage> so thats not an option then
[16:18] <cbreak> hmm..., grub, right
[16:18] <dabbler_> Lol
[16:18] <dabbler_> Your nemesis
[16:18] <cbreak> (I use zbm...)
[16:18] <cbreak> I think it's possible to put the kernels onto the efi partition, but that's probably annoying to set up.
[16:19] <dabbler_> EriC^^: interesting. I left a message in #grub earlier asking for help. Should I follow up on it letting them know that was the conclusion?
[16:20] <EriC^^> dabbler_: as you wish, i doubt that it'll enter some bug report though
[16:21] <EriC^^> worth sharing nevertheless i guess
[16:21] <dabbler_> Yeah, I guess without steps to reproduce they won't bother. But if they want to ask for more info I'll tell them what little I know
[16:21] <EriC^^> sounds good
[16:22] <dabbler_> Do we know whether it was the manual grub entry or the older bless that made it work?
[16:23] <EriC^^> we can't tell for sure, if you haven't deleted the old entry though you could try booting it from the boot menu if you're curious
[16:23] <cbreak> efibootmgr should be able to tell you which entry was used for booting
[16:23] <dabbler_> I'll try it. So when I hold option, it should offer an entry that takes me to a grub menu?
[16:23] <cbreak> it should show something like BootCurrent: 0002
[16:24] <EriC^^> i think it was the entry though, the path to file looked so off \System\Library\CoreServices
[16:24] <EriC^^> dabbler_: it's 99% the entry, it didnt even have \efi\ubuntu\ before that path
[16:25] <dabbler_> I noticed that. Wasn't sure whether the dir was just in the wrong place, though
[16:26] <dabbler_> Anyway, apple EFI shows me one item "ubuntu [grub's version string]"
[16:27] <dabbler_> Choosing it doesn't give me a grub menu though. It just goes right to scrolling wall of text
[16:28] <cbreak> maybe your grub is not configured to wait
[16:28] <cbreak> check out the contents of /etc/default/grub
[16:28] <cbreak> you can adjust GRUB_TIMEOUT=2 and GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=menu, among other things
[16:30] <dabbler_> Is there an option for a splash screen of Tux eating an apple? :P
[16:31] <cbreak> I think I saw a way to do that, but it requires recompiling the kernel
[16:31] <cbreak> there are probably ways that don't though
[16:34] <dabbler_> I'll have to research it later
[16:36] <ravage> dabbler_, ubuntu uses plymouth for the splash screen. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/customize-boot-splash-screen-logo-linux/
[16:36] <dabbler_> ravage: thanks! I'll check it out
[16:36] <ravage> maybe there are better guides. in general you can create your own image or use one of the themes provided
[16:36] <dabbler_> EriC^^: so is that boot.efi that we blessed really specific to this Ubuntu installation or is it actually for GRUB (and whatever is accessible through it)?
[16:37] <EriC^^> dabbler_: i think it's just for grub, so the mac boots it
[16:38] <EriC^^> then it takes over and does the rest specific to the install (uses efi/ubuntu/grub.cfg to set stuff up)
[16:38] <dabbler_> EriC^^: ok. I think I'll name it Grub then (using the commands you gave me earlier)
[16:38] <dabbler_> Thank you so much for your help
[16:39] <EriC^^> no problem
[16:39] <dabbler_> ravage: thanks for the referral!
[16:39] <jhutchins> Is there video of the booster post-anamoly?
[16:39] <jhutchins> WHoops, not #space.
[16:39] <dabbler_> Lol
[16:40] <ravage> dabbler_, :) come back when you have your desktop setup done with hexchat or any other IRC client :)
[16:46] <nuala> I'd like to `update/repair-grub`. From live usb: The mounted system partition has a non-empty dev directory. When I `mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev` I got no error but `chroot; update-grub` says "grub-probe error: cannot find a device for /".
[16:46] <dabbler_> ravage: will do. Is that a client you'd recommend?
[16:47] <nuala> Can I just 'stash it away' `mv dev dev-old` before binding /dev, updating grub, leave chroot, `mv dev-old dev` or would that be a terrible idea?
[16:47] <ravage> it is the only one i ever used really. it is a good one :)
[16:48] <jhutchins> irssi
[16:49] <ravage> if you want a text only client irssi is fine yes
[16:53] <jhutchins> ravage: IRC is text only to begin with.
[16:53] <nuala> (( weechat seems to offer an integrated buffer and has a sweet fdroid app to. [livesaver when nothing boots anymore :>] ))
[16:53] <ravage> that statement is correct
[16:54] <ravage> so it html
[16:54] <ravage> *is
[16:54] <jhutchins> Inline graphics were added to HTML very early (for in-line math expressions).
[16:55] <jhutchins> ravage: Do people really do HTML over irc?
[16:55] <ravage> the code is still html. you just use a client to render it in a nice way
[16:55] <ravage> so does my hexchat

[17:26] <arraybolt3> (fail)
[17:28] <ravage> 💩
[17:33] <webchat14> I have installed 22.04 over 20.04, as an upgrade, as offered.  My problem is that I have an old desktop, probably dating for 12.04 days or certainly 14.04 days.  It seems to me that 22.04 would work best with the Gnome desktop.  When I start up 22.04 I seem to always get a message that it has experienced an internal error, currently the case.
[17:33] <webchat14> Can I change my desktop to Gnome, it didn't do that automatically as i thought it might. Richard
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> webchat14: the error window, you can unfold details, can you share whats it about?
[17:35] <kostkon_> webchat14, also you could share the output of: echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
[17:39] <webchat14> echo output = Unity: Unity7:Ubuntu
[17:41] <webchat14> lotuspsychye: I didn't quite understand your question
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> webchat14: when you get that internal error window, you should be able to view details of that error
[17:43] <webchat14> lotuspsychje: Yes, I didn't do that this time around and can't remember previous details.  I did report about three of these instances
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> webchat14: when you reboot, you can reproduce the error probably? then click 'show details'
[17:46] <webchat14> lotuspsychje: I can try that but then I'll lose this chat line but I've saved the link so should be able to get back - will that work?  Do you want me to do this now?
[17:47] <ioria> webchat14, cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[17:50] <webchat14> ioria: I put that into the terminal - no such file ...
[17:51] <ioria> webchat14, ls -al /var/crash/ | nc termbin.com 9999       you'll get an url , paste it here
[17:54] <ogra> webchat14, just click the little gear on the login screen and select the ubuntu default session to get gnome ...
[18:01] <webchat14> ogra: no option called ubuntu default session, nearest is 'About this computer' from which I can find default applications but I don't think this is what you had in mind. Desktop options was not among the apps
[18:01] <ogra> webchat14, huh ? i mean the gear next to your name after you clicked on the name
[18:02] <ogra> there should be "Ubuntu", "Ubuntu on Xorg" and whatever older sessions you still have arour ("Unity" most likely)
[18:02] <ogra> *around
[18:03] <oerheks> ogra, unless he is using nvidia drivers?
[18:04] <nuala> (answering my earlier question "moving a prepoulated /dev away, mount --bind the live usb /dev, do the update-grub-dance and put everything back where it came from seemed to work!)
[18:05] <ogra> oerheks, ??
[18:05] <ogra> why would the menu change with nvidia drivers ?
[18:06] <oerheks> with nvidia, one does not get wayland session
[18:06] <ogra> (you get a different default at login, but the menu still offers all choices)
[18:06] <ogra> you clearly do ... it is just not picked by default if you do not select anything
[18:06] <nuala> (and maybe to close this, tomreyn: thanks for the help yesterday. in fact update-grub found both installations and it works without a custom menuentry :) )
[18:10] <webchat14> ogra: see above.  Somehow became disconnected and had to reconnect
 webchat14, huh ? i mean the gear next to your name after you clicked on the name
 there should be "Ubuntu", "Ubuntu on Xorg" and whatever older sessions you still have around ("Unity" most likely)
[18:11] <ogra> that was all i said above ...
[18:13] <webchat14> ogra: to which I replied:  When I click on my name, it takes me to a new screen that is asking for my password. I enter that and it brings me right back here!  Maybe I'm doing something wrong.  I click first on the gear at very top right of my screen, then click on my name.
[18:13] <ogra> webchat14, at the login window after you freshly booted or logged out of your desktop ?
[18:14] <ogra> there is a big centered input field that only has your name and a "password" input field ... next to the name there is a gear
[18:14] <ravage> (maybe it is not gdm?)
[18:15] <nuala>
[18:16] <nuala> webchat14: is there a gear at the bottom! right? just before you enter your password. does that have a menu as mentioned?
[18:17] <oerheks> one see the menu, only after selecting an user name?
[18:17] <oerheks> iirc
[18:17] <ogra> yes
[18:18] <ogra> yuo need to click on the name (the big one in the center of the screen) once
[18:18] <ogra> i do *not* mean your name in the top right of your unity desktop *after* you already have logged in
[18:20] <webchat14> OK, well I'll have to log of and restart and click on the name that comes up and see what happens - and then try to get back here
[18:20] <ravage> webchat14, https://p.haxxors.com/9nv23bkd.webm
[18:21] <ogra> ravage to the rescue
[18:21] <ogra> !cookie | ravage
[18:21] <Windy> any idea how to set the lightdm login screen background?  i keep reading that it's set in varous files in /etc/lightdm/ but that doesn't seem to be the case on my system
[18:22] <ogra> well, lightdm did not change in nearly a decade so the location should still be correct ...
[18:23] <ogra> are you actually running a flavour that still uses lightdm ?
[18:23] <oerheks> one needs to edit css for lightdm to change things?
[18:23] <ogra> (not sure which ones still do though ... i think lubuntu)
[18:23] <Windy> hmm, i thought so... was a default ubuntu desktop install, theni installed xfce
[18:23] <ogra> the default install uses gdm
[18:24] <ogra> if you just installed xfce and not xubuntu-desktop you still have gdm i think
[18:24] <Windy> huh.  not sure where i got this idea that i was using lightdm
[18:24] <ogra> well, ubuntu used lightdm for a long time (in the LTSes until 201😎
[18:24] <ravage> Windy, what you see on the video above it GDM.
[18:24] <Windy> oh, during the xfce install it prompts you to switch to lightdm
[18:24] <ogra> *2018
[18:24] <ogra> and you said yes ?
[18:25] <Windy> i did, but it doesn't actually look any different, still have the jellyfish login screen, so not sure now
[18:26] <Windy> ok, switched it back to gdm3 with 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm' and it does actually look different now.  so i think i was really using lightdm
[18:28] <somecooldood> where can I get the package xdg-desktop-portal v1.14.4-1ubuntu2~22.04.1
[18:29] <ogra> just by installing it from the archive on your ubuntu 22.04 system
[18:30] <oerheks> somecooldood, just update? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-desktop-portal
[18:31] <somecooldood> checking
[18:31] <oerheks> If you did not have that package already, run proper updates; sudo apt dist-upgrade
[18:33] <somecooldood> ogra, oerheks package search on https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xdg-desktop-portal&searchon=names&suite=jammy&section=all doesn't return results for ubuntu updates, that the issue
[18:33] <somecooldood> oerheks, I am on kde-neon distro, its 20.04 :)
[18:33] <ogra> packages.ubuntu.com is a community page ... launchpad is the actual package source
[18:34] <webchat14> I see the link ravage sent but I don't think I get the same login screen. The name Ubuntu comes up and it goes straight to my desktop screen.  I don't have to enter a password when i start Ubuntu.  I can try restarting and see where that leads, and then try to get back.
[18:34] <somecooldood> ogra, ya
[18:34] <oerheks> somecooldood, so why asking for a package that might break your system??
[18:34] <nuala> webchat14: i think it could be sufficient if you choose 'log out' instead 'power off/restart'
[18:34] <ogra> oerheks, why would it break their system ?
[18:35] <oerheks> i would not dare to mix ..
[18:35] <somecooldood> oerheks, I know, I know, just curiosity, will not install it
[18:35] <webchat14> OK, I'll try that nuala
[18:36] <ravage> my guess it that you have auto login enabled
[18:36] <ravage> So logout is worth a try
[18:36] <somecooldood> oerheks, will the updated version be backported to 20.04?
[18:36] <ogra> oerheks, mix what exactly ?
[18:36] <somecooldood> I know kde is moving to 22.04
[18:37] <ogra> xdg-desktop-portal is completely not related to any specific desktop
[18:37] <ravage> In any case I don't think kde neon is supported in any way here
[18:37] <ogra> and you should definitely instal it if you ever want to use snaps or flatpak on the system
[18:38] <thanks> hey. I upgraded to ubuntu 22 LTS and when trying to run firefox, signal, telegram - get "/user.slice/user-1000.slice/session-2.scope is not a snap cgroup" error. Can anyone help me to solve it please
[18:38] <somecooldood> ogra, yet thats the use case for me
[18:38] <somecooldood> ogra, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/07/ubuntu-devs-fix-another-frustrating-firefox-snap-flaw
[18:38] <ogra> somecooldood, yeah, you will need it
[18:38] <somecooldood> I have been going after that issue for a long time
[18:39] <ogra> ... and it will not do any harm to your install ...
[18:39] <oerheks> https://mirror.umd.edu/ubuntu/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xdg-desktop-portal/
[18:39] <oerheks> for download
[18:39] <ogra> like installing gimp does not break a kde desktop 🙂
[18:39] <ogra> it is just a package
[18:39] <oerheks> ogra, i was not sure about that
[18:40] <ogra> it will surely pull in gtk and such as dependencies though ... so you'll have some extra libs installed you normally do not use
[18:40] <arraybolt3> thanks: Sounds like you're running an old kernel. Can you show the output of "uname -r"?
[18:40] <ogra> but even that wont do any harm
[18:41] <thanks> 5.15.0-47-generic
[18:41] <ravage> Thanks: sudo apt-get install dbus-user-session && systemctl --user start dbus.service
[18:41] <nuala> but would you not intoduce a new package source (launchpad.ubuntu or such)? and could that lead to a more specific distro package being picked by the wrong source?
[18:41] <ravage> Try that
[18:41] <arraybolt3> thanks: Your kernel looks right, so do what ravage suggested.
[18:42] <nuala> s/by/from the wrong source
[18:42] <thanks> 0 updated, 0 upgraded, I did it earlier today :(  seems not the issue
[18:43] <eliyahutbr> hey guys
[18:43] <eliyahutbr> my lts update got interrupted
[18:43] <Windy> ok, turns out that installing the package 'lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings' created a config file at /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf where i could change the background.  not sure why that file isn't there by default
[18:43] <eliyahutbr> https://pastebin.com/pasnSx7K
[18:43] <somecooldood> oerheks, ogra, tried installing the deb package, not able to satisfy dependency
[18:44] <somecooldood> so I guess I need to wait till the kde neon moves to 22.04
[18:44] <eliyahutbr> E: Failed to fetch http://mirror.il-ta.kamatera.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xdg-dbus-proxy/xdg-dbus-proxy_0.1.3-1_amd64.deb  File has unexpected size (501 != 24732). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] seems to be the theme of the error
[18:44] <ravage> thanks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1951491 does this look like your bug?
[18:45] <somecooldood> oerheks, ogra, thanks for the support!
[18:45] <tomreyn> eliyahutbr: hi. do you have a http mirror configured?
[18:46] <thanks> i did the purge firefox as well, did not help
[18:46] <tomreyn> eliyahutbr: i mean: do you have a proxy server configured
[18:46] <arraybolt3> thanks: Did you back up any important data out of firefox first?
[18:46] <arraybolt3> (Probably "sudo apt purge firefox" will do nothing since Firefox is now installed as a snap - if you've backed up your data, we can try to reinstall the Snap Firefox, but otherwise, back up Firefox's data first.)
[18:47] <eliyahutbr> i got nothing configured
[18:47] <thanks> i backed up my .mozilla/firefox dir
[18:47] <eliyahutbr> i took a dell out of the box and am trying to get to current LTD
[18:47] <ravage> thanks, does "DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS="unix:path=$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/bus" firefox" fix anything?
[18:47] <eliyahutbr> but its been a while since I played with ubuntu
[18:47] <thanks> also before runned sudo snap remove --purge firfox and same with apt and then installd through apt
[18:47] <thanks> ravage: will check
[18:49] <webchat14> Thanks all, ogra, nuala, et al, for your help. I did the logout and finally found what you were on about. "Unity" was my default desktop and I changed it to Ubuntu at the top of the list.  Now I have the Gnome desktop and continue my learning curve.
[18:49] <ogra> 👍
[18:50] <ravage> webchat14, great :)
[18:50] <tomreyn> eliyahutbr: what does this report?   curl -sI --resolve mirror.il-ta.kamatera.co:80:<IP_ADDRESS> http://mirror.il-ta.kamatera.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/iio-sensor-proxy/iio-sensor-proxy_3.3-0ubuntu6_amd64.deb | grep ^Content-Length
[18:51] <eliyahutbr> https://pastebin.com/hqMzE97u tomreyn
[18:51] <thanks> ravage: amg, it did give me the profile menu
[18:52] <thanks> and ran
[18:52] <tomreyn> eliyahutbr: sorry, i had a typo, can you try this:   curl -sI --resolve mirror.il-ta.kamatera.com:80:<IP_ADDRESS> http://mirror.il-ta.kamatera.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/iio-sensor-proxy/iio-sensor-proxy_3.3-0ubuntu6_amd64.deb | grep ^Content-Length
[18:52] <ravage> thanks, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1951491/comments/44
[18:52] <ravage> thanks, maybe try to add it to those files too. it seems to be a workaround
[18:52] <ogra> ravage, well, that variable is always set in all ubuntu desktops when they are working properly
[18:52] <tomreyn> eliyahutbr: oh i should have seen your output first, i guess we need to try and fix your system first of all
[18:53] <ravage> ogra, if you have a better fix im listening :)
[18:53] <ogra> ravage, fix the reason why it is not set ... this is a systemic problem
[18:53] <ravage> sorry. im unable to
[18:54] <freeworld> Hello world
[18:54] <ogra> ravage, something is wrong with that desktop install
[18:54] <tomreyn> eliyahutbr: can you try using a different mirror server? is israel actually close to you?
[18:54] <ogra> ravage, the bug above is simply caused by using x2go with no proper session
[18:55] <ravage> ogra, that may all be right. i still cant offer a better way to get his snaps start. if you can please do
[18:55] <ogra> i.e. it would happen if you plainly just run openbox ... without any session setup
[18:55] <ogra> or use some start script instead of systemd --user
[18:55] <tomreyn> eliyahutbr: oh yes, i guess it is, cool. still, maybe try a different mirror from the list: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[18:55] <tomreyn> eliyahutbr: ideally one which supports https
[18:56] <ogra> ravage, i need to go ... what i'm saying is that someone should find out why thanks has a broken desktop install ... this looks like some serious upgrade failure or misconfiguration of a desktop setup
[18:56] <ogra> snaps are just a fllout
[18:56] <ogra> *fallout
[18:57] <ravage> yes is does not look like a bug with your preciuos snaps. you may leave :)
[18:57] <ogra> lol
[19:00] <thanks> ravage: did according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1951491/comments/44 and it does not change anything
[19:01] <ravage> thanks, strange. but it worked with the manual command?
[19:01] <thanks> $ firefox and $ firefox -p still gives the same error
[19:01] <thanks> yes
[19:01] <ravage> it must be a problem with dbus somehow
[19:02] <ravage> but i never saw that problem before
[19:02] <ravage> "systemctl status --user dbus" looks ok? as in active (running) ?
[19:03] <sarnold> clarkk, arraybolt3, btw the free livepatch tiers *do* allow for commercial use; the full set of terms are on https://ubuntu.com/legal/livepatch-terms-of-service  , which I encourage you to read, but it's along the lines of no more than three machines, you can't break the law, and you're not in an embargoed country
[19:03] <arraybolt3> sarnold: Oh neat! I didn't know that, I saw non-commercial use and said "Nope, I'll pay if I need it". Thanks, that's really handy to know!
[19:03] <eliyahutbr> thanks tomreyn!
[19:04] <ravage> "You must be at least 13 years old to use the Service" i like that one :D
[19:05] <thanks> ravage: yes except last line dbus deamon[29178] session uid=1000, failed to activate service org.freedesktop.secrets: timed out
[19:06] <arraybolt3> ravage: LOL
[19:06] <tomreyn> eliyahutbr: did it help, though?
[19:07] <Milencho> Jeremy31, Hey man, if u remember from yesterday or the day before yesterday  you were helping me ragarding ax210 intel pci express issue
[19:07] <Milencho> so i've updated the driver to 71 - with updating ubuntu to 22.10 and kernel 5.19
[19:07] <Milencho> but still same - tomorrow i will try with windows
[19:08] <eliyahutbr> that sorted it
[19:08] <eliyahutbr> *appears to have sorted it
[19:09] <tomreyn> eliyahutbr: good. i would    sudo apt update && sudo apt -f install && sudo apt upgrade    next
[19:09] <ravage> thanks, are you on Xorg or Wayland?
[19:09] <eliyahutbr> in the midst
[19:10] <tomreyn> eliyahutbr: and then, once this worked out,    sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:10] <thanks> Xorg or Wayland ? never heard, moment will read abt it
[19:10] <eliyahutbr> the throughput download rate from the main server is slower than molasses from Israel
[19:10] <ravage> thanks, echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[19:10] <eliyahutbr> to israel i guess is more correct
[19:11] <thanks> thx, wayland
[19:11] <tomreyn> eliyahutbr: yes, this can be a matter of where you're downloading from. by "main server", are you referring to archive.ubuntu.com ?
[19:11] <thanks> yes
[19:11] <thanks> i will recheck
[19:12] <ravage> thanks, ok just to check if that may be the problem can you try https://p.haxxors.com/gzn6cmm9.webm
[19:13] <thanks> yes, its main server
[19:13] <ravage> thanks, i think this was meant for eliyahutbr :)
[19:13] <thanks> also here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1951491/comments/44  I added it to the very end not in the if statement
[19:13] <eliyahutbr> whatever the gui sets when i click main server
[19:14] <thanks> of thse files
[19:15] <ravage> thanks, then try it to add the right way. if it still does not work try an Xorg session instead of wayland
[19:15] <thanks> by right way you mean I include it to the if statements?
[19:15] <tomreyn> eliyahutbr: oh, i wasn't aware it has that option
[19:16] <ravage> thanks, the comment says at the end too. lets just check if xorg fixes anything
[19:17] <thanks> how do I get to xorg
[19:17] <thanks> ok, kept it in the end
[19:17] <ravage> thanks, https://p.haxxors.com/gzn6cmm9.webm
[19:18] <tomreyn> eliyahutbr: there are several mirrors in turkey, which might be faster for you.
[19:18] <tripp4h> i'm having a problem installing the purple-facebook plugin for pidgin, libpurple0 isn't available and if i try to install the .deb package it says about dependencies.
[19:19] <dabbler_> I'm deliberating whether to stick with ext4+LVM (for snapshots) or switch to btrfs. I've read quite a bit about the considerations already, but I was hoping to get clarification of a couple things. (Sorry if people hate this topic because it comes up so much and what's best really depends.)
[19:20] <tomreyn> tripp4h: you should not just download and install .deb packages you 'found somewhere'. they can run with root and do anything to your system
[19:20] <ravage> dabbler_, if you want to do snapshots i think the Ubuntu way is ZFS. in general you can use btrfs of course. it it supported by the kernel
[19:20] <tomreyn> tripp4h: which ubuntu version are you running?
[19:21] <Daino21> Hi i have a problema with Ubuntu, black screen.
[19:21] <Daino21> Can anyone help me please?
[19:22] <eliyahutbr> https://www.dell.com/community/Linux-Developer-Systems/Upgrade-Dell-XPS-9315-to-Ubuntu-22-04-apt-repositories/m-p/8264078/highlight/true#M9590 so frustrating
[19:22] <tomreyn> Daino21: hi there. do you have some more information?
[19:22] <dabbler_> ravage: given that the installer doesn't give the option of zfs, I'd think it would be a pain to set up.
[19:22] <tomreyn> !details | Daino21
[19:22] <ravage> dabbler_, not really. the ubuntu kernel comes with ZFS support. also the jammy desktop installer offers ZFS. just not the server i think
[19:23] <rasta> why is systemd-resolved enabled by default? what is supposed to accomplish?
[19:23] <ravage> (i hope that will come soon)
[19:23] <ravage> rasta, resolve hostnames
[19:23] <rasta> well this is pretty much the DNS server job
[19:23] <rasta> actually
[19:23] <ravage> it still is
[19:24] <rasta> is resolved there just to keep a proxy enabled by default?
[19:24] <ravage> yes. for multiple connections like VPNs for example
[19:24] <dabbler_> ravage: ahhh. hmm. Is zfs generally considered more stable?
[19:24] <Daino21> Ubuntu 20 does not start, black screen. I can enter in grub and choose recovery mode,but i can't do nothing
[19:25] <dabbler_> I know btrfs is said to be pretty stable at this point
[19:25] <ravage> dabbler_, i cant say much about btrfs. i use it on one storage server and it work. i also use ZFS on a lot of systems and it works too :)
[19:25] <rasta> i end up always disabling it, lots of times it sets a config that breaks local domain search
[19:25] <tomreyn> Daino21: that's better, thanks. by "Ubuntu 20", do you mean 20.04 LTS?
[19:25] <Daino21> Yes
[19:25] <dabbler_> Does zfs allow disabling COW on individual files too?
[19:25] <ravage> Daino21, is this a fresh installation? if yes why did you not use 22.04?
[19:26] <tomreyn> Daino21: i assume it worked fine before, but when you last booted it this occurred? how long have you been running 20.04 LTS?
[19:26] <Daino21> On grub i can go go advanced, and i can choose:
[19:26] <ravage> dabbler_, the essence of ZFS is COW. so i would not disable it at all
[19:27] <thanks> ravage: Do I have to restart to have the little button for the choice? leaving the session is not enough?
[19:27] <ravage> thanks, logout should be enough
[19:27] <ravage> Daino21, if you need that use btrfs
[19:27] <ravage> og sorry
[19:27] <Daino21> Ubuntu with Linux 5.15.0_46 normal or recovery and Ubuntu on Linux 5.15.0_43 normal or recovery
[19:27] <ravage> i mean dabbler_
[19:28] <tomreyn> Daino21: ok, so you can see output at the grub menu, that's good to know. can you answer ravage's and my questions?
[19:30] <thanks> ravage: logged in on xorg and when I click the firefox icon, it works, when I do firefox -p command same error
[19:31] <Daino21> It worked until i tried to update Ubuntu and delete trash files at the same time. It crashed
[19:31] <thanks> my vpn doesnt work for some reason on that
[19:31] <Daino21> I thank i have trash folder full
[19:32] <tripp4h> tomreyn: i found the .deb packet from a reliable site, github or so. running ubuntu 22.04.1.
[19:32] <tomreyn> Daino21: do you know which graphics card is installed?
[19:32] <tripp4h> tomreyn: here: https://packages.debian.org/sid/libpurple0
[19:33] <tomreyn> tripp4h: i would not consider github to be a generally reliable / trustable source. there are viruses and malware hosted there.
[19:33] <ravage> thanks, do your other snaps work? what do you need firefox -p for?
[19:33] <thanks> run a profile menu and then daemon
[19:34] <Daino21> No it's a portable Acer Aspire i think with an Intel graphic card. Before now Ubuntu worked for years
[19:34] <thanks> seems they do work yes
[19:34] <ravage> thanks, i really have no idea why it would not work with "-p"
[19:34] <tomreyn> tripp4h: this is the debian package repository. packages there will probably not be compatible to your ubuntu release. you should really only use packages made for your ubuntu release. also, libpurple0 *is* available for most ubuntu releases, from the universe repository. which ubuntu release are you running?
[19:34] <thanks> everything works but my protonvpn
[19:34] <thanks> but strange it works only on clicks, no commands
[19:35] <thanks> I am back on ubuntu normal and it works too
[19:35] <thanks> same
[19:35] <ravage> thanks, is this a normal 22.04 install or an upgrade? would it be possible to try a fresh installation?
[19:35] <tripp4h> tomreyn: i'm running ubuntu 22.04.1 like i said.
[19:35] <dabbler_> ravage: I know COW is the primary data integrity mechanism. I wouldn't want to disable it altogether, just on certain files that are frequently modified and completely expendable, like web caches
[19:35] <Daino21> Acer Aspire 3 A315-31-C825
[19:35] <tomreyn> Daino21: when you say you can "choose recovery mode but not do anything", what happens exactly, why can you not do anything, does it not load a text mode mneu in the end?
[19:35] <ravage> dabbler_, btrfs is you filesystem then :)
[19:36] <tomreyn> tripp4h: whoops, right, you said so. so how about you enable 'universe' and install libpurple0 from there? https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/libpurple0
[19:37] <tomreyn> !universe | tripp4h
[19:37] <Daino21> It i choose Ubuntu on Linux 5.15.0-46 , the First voice of the successive menù (After resume) Is clean
[19:38] <Daino21> The clean voice works but doesnt solve the problem
[19:40] <tripp4h> tomreyn: ah, it's available from there, sorry about this stupid question. i just recently updated to 22.04.1 and forgot that i don't have the repositories in sources.list (after updating).
[19:40] <EriC^^> Daino21: sounds like a graphics driver issue
[19:40] <Daino21> The dpkg command doesnt work, message Is not.enough space available
[19:40] <EriC^^> Daino21: aha, try 'sudo apt-get clean'
[19:41] <EriC^^> Daino21: try to continue deleting the trash you were deleting
[19:41] <tomreyn> tripp4h: you can re-enable them easiyl from software-properties-gtk
[19:41] <Daino21> I tried. I. Choose root voice and then sudo apt-get clean. No errore but nothing happen
[19:42] <EriC^^> Daino21: that means it worked, it removed all .deb archives
[19:42] <thanks> ravage: upgrade from 20
[19:42] <thanks> you mean to back up all the data and format disk and start again?
[19:42] <EriC^^> Daino21: what does 'df -h /' give for free space?
[19:42] <Daino21> But If i try clean i receive the same message
[19:43] <ravage> thanks, yes. i know its probaly the hammer method here. you can also just test it from the live usb maybe
[19:43] <tomreyn> Daino21: which message do you receive?
[19:43] <laguna> i tried to update with apt and it says 30 files are upgradeable but sudo apt upgrade says the 30 files are being held back
[19:43] <thanks> problem is that it worked till the changes in the files, it must be something simple, trying to look out
[19:43] <Daino21> Sorry If i try dpkg i receive not enough space
[19:43] <EriC^^> Daino21: try to remove the files in the trash if you dont want them
[19:44] <laguna> a lot of qt files and some gnome files are being held back for some reason
[19:44] <tomreyn> laguna: run    apt policy <package>    against one of those packages
[19:45] <laguna> tom ok tom
[19:45] <EriC^^> Daino21: what's the output of 'du -sh ~/.local/share/Trash' ?
[19:45] <Daino21> I'm trying but It seems that sudo apt-get clean does nothing
[19:45] <tomreyn> laguna: if it returns a percentage value and "phased" then that's fine
[19:46] <laguna> tom one of them libqt5a returns phased (10%)
[19:47] <tomreyn> laguna: did you only try this one, or did you try multiple? and if you tried multiple, were there ones which did not return "phased (xx%)"?
[19:47] <laguna> tom i only tried one
[19:47] <Daino21> I think i am writing in a wrong way the 'du' command
[19:48] <laguna> tom also gnome-control-center says phased (10%)
[19:48] <Daino21> 'du -shc 176M
[19:49] <tomreyn> laguna: "phased updates" are a mechanism which makes some updates available to some users first, then others a little later, then yet others a little later etc. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/phased-updates-in-apt-in-21-04/20345
[19:49] <laguna> tom are they going to be upgradable at a later date
[19:49] <tomreyn> yes
[19:49] <laguna> tom ok
[19:49] <tomreyn> the phased ones are
[19:50] <Daino21> I font find locali share trash
[19:51] <EriC^^> Daino21: use the file explorer to empty trash?
[19:52] <Daino21> I can't turn on the PC. Ubuntu doesnt work. How to do that?
[19:52] <tomreyn> EriC^^: daino was talking about having a black screen initially, i assume the graphical desktop is not working
[19:52] <jhutchins> https://slate.com/technology/2022/09/modem-world-bbs-internet-history.html
[19:52] <EriC^^> Daino21: aha you have ubuntu console (shell) right now?
[19:53] <EriC^^> user@home:$~ ?
[19:53] <tomreyn> i assume Daino can get to the root shell in recovery only
[19:54] <Daino21> Yes i am in root in the recovery menu
[19:54] <EriC^^> he said after it said resume and clean it booted, kind of confusing
[19:54] <EriC^^> Daino21: you've pressed "drop to root shell" and now have a root shell # ?
[19:54] <Daino21> Yes
[19:55] <EriC^^> Daino21: ok, type "mount -o remount,rw /"
[19:55] <Daino21> 'du -sh' 176M
[19:55] <tripp4h> tomreyn: i did the install like it said on purple-facebook plugin's page but pidgin doesn't find the facebook plugin. hmm... wonder what i'm doing wrong now.
[19:55] <Daino21> All that in One?
[19:55] <EriC^^> Daino21: yes one command
[19:55] <tripp4h> tomreyn: got it to work now!
[19:56] <tomreyn> tripp4h: i do not know what guide you are following. using urls is a way to share the location of online guides
[19:56] <Daino21> mount: bad usage
[19:56] <tomreyn> tripp4h: glad you worked it out.
[19:56] <tripp4h> tomreyn: i didn't notice i had pidgin already running and of course it couldn't find the plugin because of that. didn't notice the pidgin icon there on the panel.
[19:57] <tomreyn> Daniel: you must have (accidentially) mistyped what EriC wrote. try again.
[19:57] <EriC^^> Daino21: there must be some typo, there's no space between remount,rw
[19:58] <tomreyn> tripp4h: ah, good catch.
[19:58] <Daino21> And After rw there Is a /
[19:58] <Daino21> ?
[19:59] <EriC^^> yes, rw /  and space between them
[19:59] <Daino21> "mount -o remount,rw/"
[20:00] <EriC^^> Daino21: mount -o remount,rw /
[20:00] <EriC^^> space between rw and /
[20:00] <Daino21> Done
[20:01] <Daino21> No error
[20:01] <EriC^^> Daino21: ok, what's your username usually?
[20:01] <Daino21> Daino
[20:02] <Daino21> ...not Shure...
[20:02] <EriC^^> Daino21: no worries, type "ls /home" what do you see there?
[20:02] <Daino21> adriana
[20:03] <EriC^^> Daino21: ok, do you want to delete the trash contents?
[20:04] <Daino21> Yes lets do it
[20:04] <Daino21> Sudo apt-get clean ?
[20:04] <EriC^^> Daino21: ok, type "cd /home/adriana/.local/share/Trash"
[20:05] <EriC^^> note that trash is capital T and before local there's a "."
[20:05] <Daino21> Done
[20:05] <Daino21> Del?
[20:05] <EriC^^> Daino21: ok, type "rm -r files"
[20:06] <Daino21> Done
[20:06] <Daino21> Now i try to go go the grub menù?
[20:07] <EriC^^> Daino21: what does "df -h /" show?
[20:08] <EriC^^> under use% ?
[20:08] <ravage> under Avail
[20:09] <Daino21> Size 104G used 100G available zero
[20:09] <Daino21> Used 100%
[20:10] <Daino21> Need more space...
[20:10] <tomreyn> Daino21: thanks about what you may have recently downloaded that was large
[20:10] <tomreyn> *think about
[20:11] <tomreyn> you can     cd /home/adriana/Downloads
[20:11] <tomreyn> and look whats there
[20:11] <tomreyn> with    ls -lh
[20:11] <Daino21> A lot photo because my external HD crashed. Let me go in other folders and try to do more space
[20:12] <tomreyn> don't delete your precious photos though, that'd be sad.
[20:13] <ravage> if you have some usb drive we could move some of there there
[20:13] <tomreyn> better something that you can download again later
[20:13] <Daino21> How to have a list of files in a directory?
[20:13] <tomreyn> ls -lh nameofdirectory
[20:13] <nuala> [maybe `d u -hs * | sort -h` as well?]
[20:14] <Daino21> In the current directory?
[20:15] <tomreyn> Daino21: you can spell out the full path to this directory, if you like. /home/adriana/ is your personal directory and /home/adriana/Downloads is where your downloads are
[20:16] <ravage> Daino21, i know it is a little hard to type but this will show you the biggest files:
[20:16] <ravage> sudo find /home -type f -exec du -h '{}' + | sort -hr | head
[20:17] <Daino21> I try
[20:19] <Daino21> Del for delete?
[20:20] <ravage> rm
[20:21] <tomreyn> ...which stands for "remove"
[20:21] <Daino21> Do you know the biggest file?
[20:21] <tomreyn> we have knowledge of what is in your home directory.
[20:22] <Daino21> Is a testdisk.log that i was trying to do ti recover photo on my external 1Tb HD that Is damaged
[20:22] <Daino21> Maybe i delete It and try to work on ext HD recovery in an other Moment?
[20:23] <tomreyn> if you want to keep it you can compress it by running    gz testdisk.log
[20:23] <Daino21> It wasnt finished. I delete It?
[20:24] <tomreyn> it's your computer, you decide
[20:25] <Daino21> Ok i have space
[20:25] <Daino21> Now i try a dpkg?
[20:25] <tomreyn> what is "a dpkg"?
[20:25] <Daino21> Or Simply a reboot?
[20:26] <tomreyn> don't reboot yet
[20:26] <Daino21> Is a voice of grub menù to repair.
[20:26] <Intelo> Hi, I am facing a consistent problem that if solved can relieve me a lot. When I press alt,ctrl,f1/12 , login to a tty, startx, from second user, the first user and all other tty users' desktop is not reachable via applications like x2go, anydesk etc. Its a black screen. How can I login GUI users and let them work simultaneously and also
[20:26] <Intelo> screenshare/access their account and they can share each others desktop?
[20:27] <tomreyn> Daino21: "voice" is what someone uses to speak and make sounds from their head. i think you mean something else.
[20:27] <Daino21> Resume clean dpkg fsck grub network root systemsummary are the voices
[20:27] <tomreyn> maybe you mean "options"
[20:28] <tomreyn> Daino21: so you're back to the recovery menu, i see
[20:28] <Daino21> Voices are possibile choose onthe grub menu
[20:28] <Daino21> Yes option
[20:28] <tomreyn> Daino21: maybe you mean "choices" :)
[20:28] <Daino21> In italiano are menù voices
[20:29] <tomreyn> Daino21: if you can enter the root prompt again, that would be good
[20:29] <Daino21> Prompt Is reboot?
[20:31] <tomreyn> i suggest you run this:   sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt -f install && sudo apt update && sudo apt install
[20:31] <Daino21> Too late. I rebooted and It works.
[20:31] <tomreyn> you can still do so now
[20:31] <ravage> you should still use the command
[20:32] <ravage> ^^
[20:32] <Daino21> Maybe Is Better of i do.something more?
[20:33] <Daino21> I receive tal errors.while rebooting
[20:33] <tomreyn> if all of this works without warnings or errors, you can also    sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:33] <tomreyn> "tal errors"?
[20:34] <Daino21> Two errors
[20:34] <Daino21> What to.do before?
[20:34] <tomreyn> what do do before what?
[20:34] <ravage> Daino21, run "sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt -f install && sudo apt update && sudo apt install"
[20:34] <tomreyn> what to do before what?
[20:34] <ravage> see if that works
[20:34] <Daino21> What Is Better i do First?
[20:35] <Daino21> Before after
[20:35] <tomreyn> what ravage said
[20:35] <Daino21> First
[20:35] <Daino21> Ok
[20:36] <Daino21> Is "&&" parte of the command?
[20:36] <tomreyn> these are really multiple commands. the "&&" makes it break if any of these commands runs into an error. it will not continue with the other commands then.
[20:36] <tomreyn> yes, you should use it as it is
[20:37] <tomreyn> if there is an error, let's look into it
[20:39] <Daino21> A lot of "ignored" and a.lot of errors
[20:39] <tomreyn> if you just run    sudo dpkg --configure -a     is there any error, yet?
[20:40] <Daino21> No errore for this.last command
[20:40] <tomreyn> if you run     sudo apt -f install    is there any error, yet?
[20:41] <Daino21> No errore but zero upd zero installed zero to delete and 8 not updated
[20:42] <tomreyn> if you run this, does it print a http address?    sudo apt-get update -y &>/tmp/apt; cat /tmp/apt | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:43] <tomreyn> it can take a minute or three
[20:43] <Daino21> Three minutes Just to write It :)
[20:44] <tomreyn> you can copy and paste, right?
[20:44] <tomreyn> no need to type everything
[20:44] <tomreyn> you can connect here from the computer you are repairing
[20:45] <Daino21> https://termbin.com/ca6v
[20:46] <tomreyn> so you have some apt repositories configured which do not work for ubuntu 20.04 LTS ("focal")
[20:46] <tomreyn> you can use software-properties-gtk to disable these
[20:46] <Daino21> I dont know why but this chat doesnt work on my ubuntu
[20:47] <Daino21> Sorry i dont understand
[20:47] <tomreyn> run the graphical "software & updates" application
[20:48] <tomreyn> clikc on the "other software" tab
[20:48] <Daino21> Ubuntu software?
[20:48] <tomreyn> hmm, maybe it's called differently on 20.04, let me check
[20:49] <tomreyn> or just run this from the terminal window: software-properties-gtk
[20:49] <Daino21> Explore installed updates?
[20:50] <Daino> Sorry i lost something?
[20:50] <tomreyn> just run this from the terminal window: software-properties-gtk
[20:51] <Daino> Ok im in software and updates
[20:51] <tomreyn> then click on the second tab, "other software"
[20:51] <Daino> You are Angels!
[20:51] <Daino> Ok
[20:52] <tomreyn> and untick the sources which gave errors ("E:") on https://termbin.com/ca6v
[20:52] <Daino> Long list, some Is checked some not
[20:52] <tomreyn> you just need to untick 4
[20:53] <Daino> You can sede.my 4 e???
[20:53] <tomreyn> sorry?
[20:53] <Daino> You can see my tour E
[20:54] <Daino> You can see my E?
[20:54] <tomreyn> you had these 4 errors earlier: https://termbin.com/ca6v
[20:54] <tomreyn> we can see those because i had you post the output of the "apt update" command to this website
[20:55] <tomreyn> so that we could see these errors
[20:55] <tomreyn> we cannot see anything else of what youare doing or see on your screen
[20:55] <tomreyn> just this little bit you shared with us
[20:55] <Daino> Ok maybe i have unchecked
[20:55] <tomreyn> click on "close"
[20:56] <tomreyn> if it asks you something, say no
[20:56] <Daino> Ok he Is doing an update.of cache
[20:57] <tomreyn> once that's done, close all the windows other than the chat and terminal
[20:57] <Daino> By the way E are unchecked
[20:57] <Intelo> tomreyn after how much time I can repaste question if I do not get a reply from anyone in any channel?
[20:57] <tomreyn> Intelo: now is fine.
[20:58] <Intelo> I am facing a consistent problem that if solved can relieve me a lot. The only solution I see is to have many many vbox guests for each user. (not optimal). When I press alt,ctrl,f1/12 , login to a tty, startx, from second user, the first user and all other tty users' desktop is not reachable via applications like x2go, anydesk etc.  How can I login GUI users and let them work simultaneously and also screenshare/access their account and they can share each others desktop?
[20:58] <Daino> This chat Is not.on Ubuntu i dont know why doesntwork
[20:58] <Daino> All Is closed
[20:58] <tomreyn> Daino: is there an error message when you try to access https://web.libera.chat  in your web browser?
[21:00] <tomreyn> hi Daino40
[21:00] <Daino40> ok i am in chat from ubuntu :)
[21:00] <tomreyn> i guess it works ;)
[21:00] <Daino40> all is closed
[21:00] <tomreyn> so in the terminal, run this: sudo apt update
[21:00] <tomreyn> are there still error messages ("E: ...") in the end?
[21:01] <Daino40> no error but
[21:01] <tomreyn> !paste | Daino40
[21:02] <Daino40> 12 packs updateable
[21:02] <Daino40> are you asking me a screenshot?
[21:03] <tomreyn> no, if there are no "E:" and no "W:" lines then we don't need more details
[21:03] <Daino40> no E and no W
[21:03] <tomreyn> now: sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:03] <tomreyn> does it want to install a lot?
[21:03] <Daino40> Not a lot
[21:04] <tomreyn> so do it
[21:04] <tomreyn> then:  sudo apt full-upgrade
[21:04] <Intelo> tomreyn which channel is the best to ask this quesiton?
[21:05] <tomreyn> Daino40: and, in the end:    apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999      # you would be sharing some output with us again there
[21:06] <Daino40> more time then i tought before
[21:07] <tomreyn> Intelo: you want multiple users on a single computer to login as their own user graphically, and work side by side?
[21:07] <Intelo> tomreyn yes on same user via remote software like x2go or etc
[21:08] <Intelo> and I also see their screen
[21:08] <Daino40> i think i have done all
[21:08] <Intelo> and they share theirs with each other
[21:09] <tomreyn> Intelo: you would need a graphical login manager which can be accessed remotely, such as XVnc. maybe x2go also provides something like this.
[21:09] <Intelo> tomreyn e.g I use tty1, then switch to tty2, now person connecting to tty1 remotely will get a black screen. <= whats the solution?
[21:09] <Intelo> tomreyn i have used x2go and vnc alrady
[21:09] <tomreyn> Intelo: to share their screens with others, they would need to use screen sharing software like you would when sharing their screen remotely over internet
[21:10] <tomreyn> Daino40: what's the url printed by the last one?
[21:10] <Intelo> I have used most like anydesk, teamviewer.
[21:10] <Intelo> my question is a bit different tomreyn
[21:10] <Intelo> tomreyn e.g I use tty1, then switch to tty2, now person connecting to tty1 remotely will get a black screen. <= whats the solution?
[21:10] <Daino40> no url printed. am i wrong?
 Daino40: and, in the end:    apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999      # you would be sharing some output with us again there
[21:10] <tomreyn> Daino40: this should have printed a url
[21:11] <tomreyn> Intelo: what you switch to on this computer doesn't change what others see or connect to. if you want to expost multiple ttys to them over network, then you'll need to configure this
[21:12] <Intelo> tomreyn ok how to configure that?
[21:12] <Intelo> tomreyn because "they" (remote connecting users via x2go, anydesk etc ) see a black screen if "I" am not on that tty
[21:13] <tomreyn> Intelo: i understand the problem, i do not know the solution OTOH
[21:13] <Daino40> maybe i am wrong with space. he tells warning no stable CLI interface use caution but no url
[21:14] <Intelo> tomreyn I have a solution: cross post. Should i?
[21:14] <tomreyn> Daino40: this warning is expected. maybe it just took too long to run, then no url would be printed. let's try something else...
[21:15] <Daino40> adriana@PC-Adriana:~$ apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:15] <Daino40> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
[21:15] <Daino40> adriana@PC-Adriana:~$
[21:15] <tomreyn> Daino40: apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' >/tmp/apt2; cat /tmp/apt2 | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:16] <Daino40> same warning no url
[21:17] <tomreyn> Intelo: please don't cross post the same question to multiple channels *at the same time*. later is fine.
[21:17] <Intelo> ok
[21:17] <tomreyn> Daino40: so there's just no output, fine. i think you're good then
[21:17] <Daino40> ok i make a reboot
[21:23] <Daino> ok i'm back ubuntu is working
[21:24] <Daino> there are two errors while booting. but not from this evening, they are from one month ago
[21:24] <ravage> You can tell us the errors. And we can tell you if they have to fixed
[21:25] <ravage> *be
[21:25] <Daino> can i post a file?
[21:25] <ravage> What kind of file?
[21:26] <ravage> For text use dpaste.com and for images imgur.com
[21:26] <Daino> jpg
[21:26] <phyphor> I haven't got much experience trying to build a later version of a package than is available in the distro repo - can anyone confirm what would happen if I did this and then the repo got the ame or later version?
[21:27] <phyphor> (in this particular instance it's squid on Ubuntu 22.04, squid 5.2 has a known memory leak and it's recommended to go to 5.6 - I've rasied a launchpad bug)
[21:27] <phyphor> (also, apologies for my woeful spelling this evening)
[21:27] <tomreyn> Daino: jpg is an image format. you can post it to https://imgur.com/upload and share the url here
[21:29] <Daino> https://imgur.com/a/CwWDNNa
[21:29] <Daino> is correct?
[21:29] <tomreyn> phyphor: if the ubuntu releases' repository would provide a package in a version number that is considered to be higher then this would replace the installed package of the same name
[21:29] <tomreyn> Daino: right!
[21:31] <ravage> I dont know exactly what causes those errors but I don't think you have to worry about them if everything is working correctly
[21:31] <Daino> ok.
[21:32] <tomreyn> Daino: i would assume you can probably just ignore these two messages
[21:32] <phyphor> thanks tomreyn
[21:33] <ravage> Make sure you keep some free space and enjoy your Ubuntu Daino :)
[21:33] <tomreyn> Daino: EDAC is memory error detection, an advanced hardware feature you usually only have in server hardware and some workstations.
[21:33] <Daino> listen. I'm sure that i will never find someone like tomreyn and ravage. So please tell me something else. What do you i think i can try to do with this 1TB ext hd with thousands and thousands of photo that i cant open
[21:33] <tomreyn> Daino: so your computer probably does not have it anyways, and the error messages are benign. and i second ravage - don't let your disk run full.
[21:34] <Daino> is there a way not to see those errors?
[21:36] <ravage> I don't think so. Close your eyes on boot 😉
[21:36] <tomreyn> Daino: to the first question: data recovery is difficult and a matter of luck, you seem to have already tried to use estdisk / photorec, which is a really good tool for this purpose. if you can't succeed with it then there's just the option of passing the disk to a professional recovery service, which can be very costly, and there are many who are just ripping others off.
[21:37] <tomreyn> Daino: you could blacklist the edac module, but i don't think it's worth the effort.
[21:38] <Daino> i didnt finish yet. So the best software for you is testdisk?
[21:39] <tomreyn> for data recovery, especially image recovery, testdisk + photorec are a great pair. there are other softwares but they are much harder to use and not better, just (sometimes) using different strategies for finding / recovering data.
[21:41] <arraybolt3> Daino: Before messing with the disk containing the photos, I'd highly recommend getting a second, larger disk, and creating a full disk image of the first one.
[21:41] <tomreyn> the most important thing to know about data recovery with a pyhsically (partially) broken disk is that you should never work on the broken disk any more than strictly needed. so the first step must be to copy it, entirely, or all the recoverable data, to an image file on a larger disk. and then make a copy of that and work on that second copy only.
[21:42] <arraybolt3> ddrescue would probably be a good tool for making the disk image.
[21:42]  * tomreyn agrees
[21:42] <Daino> ok thank you. i'm not shure is damaged. i know only that i cant enter in it neither from pc ubuntu, from pc windows, from router and from nvidia
[21:43] <arraybolt3> Daino: It's ext4 formatted?
[21:43] <Daino> from ubuntu for example it never worked, even when it worked from nvidia shield
[21:43] <arraybolt3> Daino: Did you happen to do anything weird to the permissions of the disk?
[21:44] <arraybolt3> Tweaking the permissions in just the wrong way can make data appear to be inaccessible in some instances.
[21:44] <Daino> i dont know. i would like to enter from ubuntu but i dont know how
[21:44] <Daino> exactly
[21:44] <arraybolt3> I'd still back up the whole entire disk before doing anything to it (sudo apt install gddrescue and then use ddrescue), but once the backup is made, maybe some permission changes will "unlock" it.
[21:44] <Daino> i am not shure is damaged
[21:44] <esv> Daino: can you run: lsblk -f on the system while the disk is attached? (please use paste.ubuntu.com if you want to share the output
[21:45] <esv> Daino, make the copy either way.
[21:47] <esv> also, what kind of system was it attached to?
[21:47] <arraybolt3> The machine was not Java compatible ROFL
[21:47] <arraybolt3> Oy, sorry, wrong channel :facepalm:
[21:55] <Daino> i used paste.ubuntu
[21:56] <esv> have a link?
[21:56] <Daino> but now i have two command: copy to clipboard and view raw
[21:56] <Daino> i cant found link
[21:57] <Daino> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WQ9GDp7438/
[21:57] <Daino> is this?
[21:57] <esv> yup
[21:58] <Daino> there is not 1tb toshiba hd. like is not connected
[21:58] <esv> and your disk is the 250-ish GB?
[21:58] <Daino> no 1TB
[21:59] <Daino> when i connect the ext hdd via usb, the pc make a sound, but nothing happen
[21:59] <ravage> is it connected right now?
[22:00] <Daino> yes
[22:00] <tomreyn> internally or via usb?
[22:00] <Daino> usb
[22:00] <esv> might need additional power
[22:00] <Daino> the hdd light is on
[22:01] <tomreyn> Daino: how did you use testdisk on it then?
[22:02] <Daino> i didnt use to the end, ubuntu crashes before the end, because the log file empty the pc
[22:03] <Daino> and i  was not shure that i was using testdisk in the correct way
[22:03] <ravage> does your computer have multiple USB ports? did you try them all?
[22:03] <ravage> sometimes only a few provide enough power
[22:03] <tomreyn> does the    lsusb    command say something about it?
[22:03] <Daino> i have three usb port
[22:04] <ravage> Daino, reconnect the drive and give the URL of "lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999"
[22:04] <Daino> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wK6qBnktYj/
[22:04] <ravage> ok never mind
[22:04] <Daino> here there is
[22:05] <ravage> Daino, unplug the drive. then run "sudo journalctl -f". plug the drive in and paste us any lines that show up
[22:06] <ravage> (after you plugged in the drive)
[22:07] <Daino> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FNyFnBGZsp/
[22:09] <arraybolt3> Daino: The disk appears to be recognized.
[22:09] <ravage> Daino, "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sdb | nc termbin.com 9999"
[22:10] <Daino> https://termbin.com/u9mw1
[22:11] <ravage> ok. so you formatted that on your nvidia shield?
[22:11] <Daino> is possible
[22:11] <Daino> maybe is more than possible
[22:11] <ravage> try "sudo apt-get -y install exfat-fuse"
[22:12] <ravage> does that install something?
[22:12] <Daino> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QVr7XtrWDg/
[22:14] <Daino> so the only way is try to access via nvidia shield?
[22:14] <ravage> i think it depends how you formatted that hdd
[22:15] <ravage> but your nvidia shield should be able to ready it maybe
[22:16] <Daino> nvidia shield made a lot of updates in this last year. Some updates made the hdd works, some not
[22:17] <Daino> so why i would like to recover photos and use other solutions to share that photos with other devices
[22:18] <ravage> if you formatted the HDD as internal storage on the shield it is probably encrypted
[22:18] <ravage> and only your shield knows the key
[22:19] <Daino> ok i will try to reconnect hdd to nvidia, and i will try to read hdd from nvidia
[22:19] <Daino> i was jus finishing to put all the photo of my life in that hdd :(
[22:21] <arraybolt3> Daino: Whatever you do, do NOT reformat it or do anything to it in an attempt to "unlock" it if it doesn't just work!
[22:21] <arraybolt3> (I've heard of people doing similar things and it ends badly.)
[22:22] <Daino> ok thank you to all, but i am pretty sure that nvidia now is not able to read the hdd
[22:39] <user9d> I want my money back.