[03:34] <qwebirc39519> Hi guys can I ask a question about Mythbuntu and my Nova-TD500 capture card please?
[03:35] <qwebirc39519> Hello
[20:23] <noaXess> hey all..
[20:24] <noaXess> possible to talk about xmltv/grab problem in this channel?
[20:45] <Hydr0p0nX> what problem ?
[20:57] <noaXess> tv_grab_ch_search does not get the correct channels..
[20:58] <noaXess> maybe cause search.ch changed web layout or some other data..
[20:58] <noaXess> i think, this is since about 3 days..
[20:58] <noaXess> thats all what i get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10346694/
[20:59] <noaXess> before i runed tv_grab_ch_search --configure which only got those SKY... channels..
[21:04] <noaXess> any hint?
[21:40] <qwebirc84225> I had a Mythbuntu .26 with 12.04. The commercials were skipped only during playback. With the schedule direct change I had to switch to my development system mythbuntu .27 and 14.04. I set up the system the same way and the commercials do not get skipped during playback. One difference in the setup is originally I had myth on a 2TB drive and a second 2TB drive set up with storage groups and recordings save to the system ha
[21:43] <qwebirc84225> The new system has mythbuntu on a 500gb SSD, there are 2 -2TB drives in storage groups and all the files go to the 2- TB drives. the default directories to the system SSD are changed to the storage group drives. I was thinking this may be the problem. Any Ideas
[22:03] <qwebirc11480> I had a Mythbuntu .26 with 12.04. The commercials were skipped only during playback. With the schedule direct change I had to switch to my development system mythbuntu .27 and 14.04. I set up the system the same way and the commercials do not get skipped during playback. One difference in the setup is originally I had myth on a 2TB drive and a second 2TB drive set up with storage groups and recordings save to the system ha
[22:06] <qwebirc11480> The new system has a 500gb SSD with myth system front end and back end then there are 2- 2TB drives as storage groups. All data is in the storage groups and the default is change to the storage group locations on each TB drive.
[22:33] <noaXess> https://sourceforge.net/p/xmltv/bugs/497/


[14:39] <jtaylor> hm I though adt failures of rdepends prevent proposed migration
[14:40] <jtaylor> or doesn'T that apply to main breaking universe?
[15:05] <ScottK> That shouldn't make a difference, AIUI.
[15:05] <ScottK> jtaylor: What's the example?
[15:05] <jtaylor> scipy
[15:06] <jtaylor> broken by pillow
[15:13] <ScottK> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/log/utopic/2014-10-03/13:11:27.log
[15:13] <ScottK> Definitely looks like scipy results weren't considered in migration.
[15:15] <ScottK> scipy hadn't been run yet.  It didn't get run until today.
[15:15] <ScottK> So the question is how come pillow didn't trigger ADT for scipy.
[15:15] <ScottK> jtaylor: I'd ask pitti that question on Monday.
[15:16] <jtaylor> it did trigger it and it failed
[15:16] <jtaylor> or something triggered it at least
[15:16] <ScottK> According to the ADT hisotry, it triggered on 10/4.
[15:16] <ScottK> Pillow migrated on 10/3.
[15:17] <ScottK> So the test run that might have prevented migration never ran..
[15:17] <ScottK> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/utopic-adt-python-scipy/
[15:17] <jtaylor> right
[15:21] <jtaylor> I guess its to slow
[15:21] <jtaylor> an hour adt test is a little much


[06:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:08] <paul98> hey
[07:09] <paul98> i'm running ubuntu server in a chrooted sftp server which has a directory mapped to the users home dir which is a s3 bucket mapped by fuse s3fs, I can mount the drive and list the contents, I can write to a folder but when I try move a file into a folder I get opertion not permitted, I su to the user same error, I tried as root same error, I unmounted the s3 bucket and re mounted it. still nothing,
[07:09] <paul98> it did work fine till just before easter where it looked like the mount dropped so i remounted it but i just can't move from the users root dir to the folder, I can create files directly in folder
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> idle here a bit paul98 as US wakeup might get more volunteers
[07:14] <paul98> lotuspsychje: thanks, it's just really odd one :(
[07:38] <geodb27> People : hi ! I've setup an ubuntu lts 18.04 server and it works fine but for the ntp daemon which doesn't start at boot time. Why is "systemctl enable ntp" not working ?
[07:53] <soulseeker> which one of you are volunteers
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> soulseeker: volunteers are everywhere, if you have a question please just ask in the channel
[07:55] <soulseeker> when using the netinstalker at the select software option why doesnt it prompt for software sekections like gnome
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> soulseeker: you are in the server channel here, are you going to install gnome on a server?
[07:58] <soulseeker> lotuspsychje it is a laptop but it does need to run server software
[07:58] <soulseeker> paul98 hi
[07:59] <soulseeker> were you using paul981
[08:00] <soulseeker> lotuspsychje it all installed but grub2
[08:00] <soulseeker> default install hoping to avoid problems
[08:01] <paul98> soulseeker: yes it was me
[08:01] <paul98> I couldn't remember my registered nick lol
[08:01] <soulseeker> did you get it working paul
[08:01] <paul98> nope, spoke to aws and it seems a mount issh
[08:01] <paul98> issue*
[08:01] <paul98> i've just restarted the server to see if that fixed it, I don't know alot about it
[08:02] <soulseeker> lotuspsychje was that you? aws
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> soulseeker: can you make a full sentence that makes sense?
[08:02] <soulseeker> it isnt real as far as I can tell paul
[08:03] <geodb27> I've had to restart my machine, so I don't know if my question was asnwered or not :-(
[08:03] <soulseeker> -of amazon
[08:03] <soulseeker> lotuspsycheje are you the amazon program?
[08:04] <paul98> i rebooted it but still get same issue. something has gone wrong.
[08:04] <soulseeker> paul what were you trying to copy
[08:05] <paul98> it's just a csv file. it's just s3 bucket mounted via s3fs, i can touch a file directly into the processed/ but i can't mv from the root of s3 bucket into /proccessed as user root or the use who is sftp user
[08:05] <soulseeker> paul did you read the dune series
[08:06] <paul98> although I can list the s3 bucket contents of root and the processed/
[08:06] <paul98> this worked fine, then suddenly it looked like the mount dropped, so i remounted it, but i can't write to the processed dir on the bucket
[08:06] <paul98> outside the mapped mount dir I can aws s3 cp to the bucket any file
[08:06] <soulseeker> paul touch it where
[08:07] <soulseeker> paul touch the file reminds me of icecat
[08:08] <soulseeker> where is the file you are trying to mv
[08:08] <paul98> if i go into the proccessed folder on the mount, and touch txt.txt it works
[08:08] <paul98> if i try to move a file from the root of the mount into processed mount root/proccessed i get operation not permitted
[08:09] <soulseeker> lotuspsychje can you repeat that at paul
[08:10] <soulseeker> what are you ralking about ptocessed mount
[08:10] <soulseeker> answet my question
[08:10] <soulseeker> wgete is the gule ypu are trying to mv
[08:11] <soulseeker> where is the file
[08:12] <paul98> i have a s3 bucket mounted using s3fs
[08:12] <soulseeker> ok
[08:12] <soulseeker> where is the file
[08:12] <paul98> /var/sftp/s3bucketname/
[08:12] <paul98> the file is in that location
[08:12] <paul98> in /var/sftp/s3bucketname/ there is a folder called processed
[08:12] <soulseeker> ok
[08:13] <paul98> i can not move a file from /var/sftp/s3bucketname/ to var/sftp/s3bucketname/processed/ as I get operation ot permitted
[08:13] <paul98> I just created a new folder called test in /var/sftp/s3bucketname/ and tried to move a file to it, I can't do that either
[08:13] <soulseeker> how did you mount it
[08:14] <soulseeker> hey hey the cat
[08:14] <soulseeker> my imaginary cat moving imaginary files
[08:15] <soulseeker> gow did you mount the s3bucket
[08:15] <paul98> . /var/sftp/s3bucketmount fuse.s3fs _netdev,allow_other,multireq_max=5,iam_role=auto,complement_stat,uid=1500,gid=1500,umask=133 0 0
[08:16] <soulseeker> that isnt root
[08:16] <paul98> but it worked, it's worked for a year till s3fs stopped working so i re mounted it
[08:16] <soulseeker> uid 1500
[08:16] <paul98> that's from /etc/fstab
[08:16] <paul98> sorry it's mapped to the sftp user
[08:17] <soulseeker> it can be thr permissions of the amazon thing
[08:18] <paul98> i've checked with amazon and they said the s3 bucket setup is fine
[08:18] <soulseeker> it looks like you have some nonstandard amazon software to be mounting using special types
[08:19] <paul98> i'm using s3fs fuse to mount the s3 bucket
[08:19] <soulseeker> fuse.s3fs
[08:19] <paul98> correct
[08:19] <soulseeker> is that known by mount?
[08:20] <soulseeker> I dont know it
[08:22] <soulseeker> maybe the cat was listening to reach out and touch faith when it posed for the icecat logo
[08:23] <soulseeker> there are permissions on both sides
[08:23] <soulseeker> what user are you using to run mv
[08:24] <paul98> tried the sftp user and root
[08:24] <paul98> get same issue
[08:25] <soulseeker> and it is touchable, the file ?
[08:26] <soulseeker> if it is not moving with root that suggest it is the remote permissions
[08:26] <soulseeker> look into the permissions on the buckwt side
[08:27] <soulseeker> check the processed folder
[08:28] <paul98> the processed folder on the s3 bucket is fine
[08:28] <paul98> if i come outside the /var/sftp/s3bucketmount and run aws s3 cp test.txt s3://bucketname/ it works
[08:28] <soulseeker> it is owned by sftp
[08:28] <paul98> so it's something to do with that directory  / chroot
[08:29] <soulseeker> no that isnt a valid test
[08:29] <soulseeker> you are attempting a remote move
[08:29] <soulseeker> not a local to remote copy
[08:30] <paul98> if i do local to remote from the s3bucket dir I get operation not permitted
[08:30] <paul98> I can touch a file in the root of s3 bucket
[08:30] <soulseeker> check the iamrole settings
[08:30] <paul98> I can go into processed and touch a file and it works
[08:30] <paul98> I just can not move from root of the s3 bucket into the folder in that same directory
[08:30] <soulseeker> whatever the s3fs manpage says
[08:31] <soulseeker> it has to do with remote permissions
[08:31] <soulseeker> what does the compaby do with this stuff
[08:31] <soulseeker> before I support it
[08:32] <soulseeker> I dont care to support moving porno files
[08:33] <soulseeker> paul if you read dune series you go deeper and deeper
[08:34] <soulseeker> exploring moral challenges in war scenarios
[08:35] <soulseeker> you come to the moral aspects of martyrdom and psychology mixed
[08:35] <soulseeker> very advanced subjects
[08:36] <soulseeker> -to be clothed in white
[08:37]  * soulseeker twitches
[08:37] <soulseeker> paul98 you are the company
[08:39] <soulseeker> amazon is not "real" but it is there
[08:39] <soulseeker> use it well
[12:17] <blackflow> teward: ping
[13:08] <ahasenack> rbasak: cpaelzer: hi, I need to upload two no-change-rebuilds because of the clamav soname bump (somebody else uploaded new clamav, but it's a server package, so it being in migration for so long pings us)
[13:09] <ahasenack> how should I proceed with reviews? None?
[13:09] <ahasenack> they are c-icap-modules and pg-snakeoil
[13:09] <ahasenack> I just tested a local build, and they picked up the new libclamav9 dep just fine
[13:09] <ahasenack> ...and libclamunrar
[13:20] <rbasak> Good question.
[13:21] <rbasak> I'd say go ahead, no review needed.
[13:21] <ahasenack> k
[13:22] <ahasenack> rbasak: oh, one more
[13:22] <ahasenack> it's a deb sync
[13:22] <ahasenack> what will the rebuild version be like, just the usual -Nbuild1?
[13:22] <ahasenack> I think so, since there are no ubuntu changes
[13:23] <ahasenack> but I don't know debian's rule for no-change rebuids, if it's the same, we could collide
[13:30] <rbasak> Debian doesn't do no-change rebuilds as they have binNMUs (unless something changed recently?)
[13:30] <rbasak> -Nbuild1 is fine
[13:30] <rbasak> "dch -R" should do the right thing
[13:31] <ahasenack> it did, thanks
[13:39] <geodb27> People : hi ! Is that normal that the installer jumps back to the initial screen when one fills in the search domains when configuring manually the ip address of the machine ? And the same when trying to alter the partition table preset when selecting "full disk with lvm" ?
[13:46] <teward> blackflow: ERR: No route to host.
[13:47] <teward> blackflow: what's up?
[13:53] <tomreyn> geodb27: bug 1816954 - see comment 4
[13:53] <tomreyn> (please don't cross-post)
[13:54] <teward> geodb27: ^ yes,  known issue where providing a search domain errors out.  Set it without the search domain then set the search domain post-install
[13:55] <tomreyn> ^ this workaround won't work if you need to set a static ip address, though, use the one from comment 4 then
[13:56] <teward> tomreyn: really?  I've gotten subiquity to set the static IP if I give it the config WITHOUT a search domain
[13:56] <teward> then set the search domain post-install
[13:56] <teward> unless things've changed?
[13:57] <tomreyn> teward: oh i'm just going by what the error report discusses.
[13:57] <teward> tomreyn: yeah, so if you set the *search domain* it will explode
[13:57] <tomreyn> "Also, when setting manual IPv4 information, selecting Save crashes the installer and starts over."
[13:57] <teward> tomreyn: if and only if you put in the search domain
[13:58] <tomreyn> i see
[13:58] <teward> tomreyn: so, in the 18.04.2 ISO's subiquity, static IP setting works *EXCEPT* if you put a search domain in
[13:59] <tomreyn> i understand that's what you're saying and i will believe it once i've tested it, too. ;-)
[13:59] <teward> then it does some odd Python error I haven't been able to fully see because of the speed my VMs are efficient at (literally restarts before I get to dig into the error logs).
[13:59] <teward> put in the static config without the search domain and it won't explode.
[14:00] <teward> https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1816192 is probably the better bug
[14:00] <teward> but that isn't on the ISO(s) yet
[14:03] <tomreyn> so if you select "info" on the
[14:04] <tomreyn> ..NIC / ip address context menu it crashes, too
[14:08] <tomreyn> teward: ^ but you'Re right, it doesn't crash if you set a static ipv4 or ipv6 address, don't touch "info", don't set a search domain
[14:08] <teward> right, that's the only thing I didn't test, but *setting* the IPv4 or v6 is doable
[14:10] <teward> blackflow: responding to your ping, but i do have things to do today, if it's important email me via Launchpad or via my ubuntu.com address
[14:55] <catbadger> morning!
[14:55] <catbadger> anyone know how to run apache 1 in the foreground?
[14:59] <tomreyn> catbadger: (as previously discussed) there's no supported ubuntu version which comes with apache 1.x
[15:00] <tomreyn> you could try asking in #httpd, but i assume it's not supported there either.
[15:01] <catbadger> lol hastag community
[15:01] <teward> ... #httpd is another IRC channel :|
[15:01] <teward> APache 1.x is **long since dead** though
[15:02] <teward> so I wouldn't expect to find *anyone* able to assist you in this matter
[15:02] <catbadger> already solved.
[15:02] <catbadger> thanks anyway
[15:03] <tomreyn> thumbs will just send you away with fire once he finds out what you run ;)
[15:03]  * teward picks up the flamethrower
[15:03] <teward> tomreyn: you assume I won't :P
[15:03] <tomreyn> i'd never dare to assume that!
[16:12]  * sarnold notes that catbadger is now that httpd 1.x expert :)
[16:13] <teward> hah
[16:41] <catbadger> hi all
[16:42] <catbadger> https://serverfault.com/questions/965608/trying-to-set-up-haproxy-letsencrypt-for-ssl-termination-gateway-not-answering i have a websrver running letsencrypt certs, I've set up a tcp proxy to allow the webserver to manage its own certs for now. in the interim, i'm setting up the proxy to terminate the ssl, this isn't working... i'm getting a dns error that makes no sense. http://leafdns.com/index.cgi?testid=A8086532 the actual
[16:42] <catbadger> the error at certbot is 'Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno -3] Temporary failure in name resolution'
[16:42] <catbadger> what does "The parent nameservers do not have your nameservers listed" mean?
[16:44] <weedmic> can you ping the server u r trying to reach by it's name? number? none?  generally, if you can ping numbers but not names, you need a dns (try <IP_ADDRESS>)
[16:44] <RoyK> catbadger: sounds like a dns messup. which domain is this?
[16:44] <weedmic> catbadger: ^
[16:45] <catbadger> omg
[16:46] <catbadger> it's my /etc/resolve.conf... why does it keep getting overwritten?
[16:46] <catbadger> sepcifically the nameserver line
[16:47] <RoyK> catbadger: it's usually controlled by whatever network config package you're using
[16:47] <catbadger> so... netplan?
[16:50] <weedmic> you can't edit that file - it says right in it "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN" (and there is no "e" in resolve.conf.
[16:50] <sarnold> catbadger: /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/resolve.conf?
[16:50] <catbadger> i have nameservers: addresses [x.x.x.x,x.x.x.x] in my netplan config, but apply is writing nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:50] <catbadger> resolv
[16:50] <weedmic> what do you want to change it to and I can give you the command
[16:50] <sarnold> catbadger: check out the systemd-resolved manpages
[16:50] <catbadger> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:51] <weedmic> ok, you can do that with route command - I'll give an exact sample momentarily
[16:51] <catbadger> thank you
[16:54] <weedmic> soz - i don't have it, I put it in using thegraphical method under networks>configure network
[16:55] <weedmic> i was thinking gateway not dns
[16:56] <weedmic> To make the DNS related changes in resolv.conf permanent, you need to change the DHCP configuration file named dhclient.conf . You can find the file in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf . Open the file for editing (don't forget to use sudo).
[16:56] <catbadger> thanks anyway
[16:56] <catbadger> that's actually pretty helpful thanks
[16:57] <weedmic> and this - but... i did it with the graphical interface and it worked fine on all the machines https://askubuntu.com/questions/130452/how-do-i-add-a-dns-server-via-resolv-conf
[16:57] <weedmic> <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:03] <catbadger> sigh
[17:19] <catbadger> https://askubuntu.com/a/1001295/946188 has the ansewr
[17:20] <weedmic> ty 4 sharing the answer
[17:21] <catbadger> :) posterity etc.
[17:23] <weedmic> i added it to my cheat sheet (speakin gof which - i recommend cht.sh shell to get working examples of things (over manpage)
[17:59] <axisys> what are the three parameters mean in preseed partitioning?
[17:59] <axisys> 40 50 100 ext3
[17:59] <axisys> 40 M min, 100 M max .. and what's in the middle? and why need 3 parameters?
[18:23] <blackflow> teward: I've asked in #nginx, when I pinged you, you can /lastlog me there, wanted to ask if you're aware of such a problem, this is Ubuntu Bionic
[18:24] <teward> blackflow: /lastlog only works so long as it's in my logs, which #nginx is NOT stored in my ZNC logs for more than a bit.  Your message wasn't in the scrollback
[18:24] <blackflow> teward: tl;dr  it appears that in a http2 request of a static html with many static png images, the images randomly error out with "timeout" error_logged  and "200 0" access_logged, which I can't understand as it's all a single tcp connection
[18:25] <teward> i'm not aware of any major HTTP/2 issues such as that
[18:25] <blackflow> teward: I've since switched back http1.1 and there aren't any errors (but FF opens 5 connections to load up all the images on that page) --  the page is a munin status page with png graphs from rrd
[18:26] <teward> > [2019-05-02 14:25:15] <teward> i'm not aware of any major HTTP/2 issues such as that
[18:26] <teward> it SOUNDS like an issue with your client with the timeout errors being seen
[18:26] <teward> but i've not had any reported issues such as that, and I'm pretty sure they'd have been bug-reported.  You might want to try with the PPA version which is newer
[18:26] <teward> I have to upload the latest mainline and stable to it but
[18:26] <blackflow> teward: possible, but.... this was a FreeBSD server before it migrated to Ubuntu, same base version (1.14), and there were no such problems there with http2
[18:27] <teward> might have some bugfixes (use the mainline PPA)
[18:27] <teward> blackflow: *I* have yet to encounter any such breakages, but without a munin setup myself to test with and a copy of your configs I can't give any real insights either way :|
[18:27] <blackflow> that was my next step, to see if it's a bug fixed in newer version.    then again, from what I know, http2 is still kinda experimental, and I've seen a few nginx bug in that area fixed, from the nginx mailinglist
[18:27] <teward> I'm not *aware* of any such major problems (third time I've said this) which would cause the problem you're seeing.
[18:28] <teward> blackflow: actually, HTTP/2 *itself* is considered stable, there's just OCCASIONAL things that pop up
[18:28] <teward> it's the SRU rules that prohibit me from making nginx updates to newer upstream releases :P
[18:28] <blackflow> teward: I'll replicate with an example I can share publically, this URL is behind firewall and auth, so I can't
[18:29] <teward> blackflow: yep, a minimal reproducible example that would allow me to test, etc. would be great
[18:29] <teward> because what if the problem is actually munin not liking it xD
[18:29] <blackflow> teward: biggest problem is, it's not _every_ request. I thought it correlated to a packet loss I observed but then that makes no sense, that's tcp, lost packets would be retried. this is logged as client timeout, which is weird
[18:30] <blackflow> teward: munin only creates static html+png. I've copied the page to exclude munin's cron overwriting png's mid-request, and it still appeared, so munin is out of the equation.
[18:30] <teward> well, then provide a minimum reproducible example :P
[18:30] <teward> so I can test/see if i can replicate
[18:31] <teward> it's also entirely possible it *is* a client side issue on your side, since you haven't indicated what browser/OS you're connecting to it with
[18:31] <teward> but as I said, i'm not aware of any major bugs in HTTP/2 in 1.14 that'd cause the problems you're experiencing
[18:32] <blackflow> yup will do. Also, does this make any sense? run request + timeout within the same second?  https://dpaste.de/zKzb
[18:32] <blackflow> teward: Ubuntu Bionic on the client side too :)
[18:32] <blackflow> (stock apt-installed Firefox)
[18:33] <teward> blackflow: yes in some cases it can make sense
[18:33] <teward> it's unusual but it usually means the client never sent ACK/SYN packets back (or they were lost in transit) in accepted timespansz
[18:33] <blackflow> FF logged 17 second "receiving" before it gave up, in the dev console
[18:33] <teward> but without wireshark/tshark logs on either side
[18:33] <blackflow> hrm... that's why I thought it was this packet loss to blame but.... again.... being tcp, wouldn't lost packets be retried?
[18:34] <teward> only so many times
[18:34] <teward> you're thinking at a pure protocol level
[18:34] <teward> there's only so many times packets are retried (time to live is a thing on TCP packets you know)
[18:35] <blackflow> I'll prepare a public test page.
[18:58] <weedmic> i have several overseas servers - they are unning postfix and mailutils.  except for 1, they all work as expected.  1 always goes to junk in user's outlook, and cannot be junk unjunked.  i printed and compared all the mail.cf files.  The only thing unique on the 1 machine is "myhostname" does not end in .internal, but .local - could that be the real reason?
[19:01] <axisys> got it .. <min> <pri> <max>
[20:39] <jdr> I dont know think that would cause it. Why are they not ending in real TLD?
[20:48] <soulseeker> dax screwed things up again
[20:49] <soulseeker> a long list of messages sent to #ubuntu
[20:49] <soulseeker> is there any way to add rootdelay during lilo boot
[20:49] <soulseeker> after a fresh install it fails to boot not finding the partition
[20:50] <soulseeker> but by the time the boot fails the partition can br seen by the shell
[20:50] <soulseeker> paul98 are you there
[20:50] <soulseeker> prepare to exterminate mafia
[20:51] <soulseeker> all mafia everywhere
[20:51] <soulseeker> specificly watch police
[20:51] <soulseeker> they gravitate to positions of power
[20:51] <soulseeker> police and mayors
[20:51] <tomreyn> soulseeker: please rest your enter key.
[20:54] <soulseeker> tomreyn yeah ok, do you have any suggestionabout how to boot from lilo everything needed was explained
[20:59] <tomreyn> soulseeker: no, not personally, it's been years ago that i had to work with lilo
[21:01] <soulseeker> do you know hpw to continue the boot manuly mount returns invalid argument
[21:02] <soulseeker> it mounts with type specified but how to contnue the boot, what is the automated process doing
[21:03] <soulseeker> how to tell the initram to hand root to the mount
[21:04] <soulseeker> welcome back lucas gray
[21:06] <soulseeker> lucas_gray do you care to work with me for booting the fresh install
[21:07] <soulseeker> it halts booting and drops to shell because it does not find the boot partition it mounts fine manuly but what next how to contunue booting
[21:13] <soulseeker> all of these volunteers and nobody knpws how to continue booting
[21:14] <soulseeker> lucas_gray talk to me
[21:14] <soulseeker> It seems you are following me
[21:14] <soulseeker> you show up on various networks, talk to me
[21:19] <tomreyn> soulseeker: try in ##linux, too, if you can't find immediate support here. maybe there's also a lilo channel?
[21:20] <blackflow> teward: ping?
[21:21] <soulseeker> lilo isnt the focus anymore it failed after booting I can install grub
[21:21] <soulseeker> lilo was selected because it detectsd sdb during indtall where grub was looking at sda
[21:22] <soulseeker> Id have used grub hut the installer had no option to select the right drive
[21:22] <soulseeker> if you read what Ive typed you can see where this is at sitting at initram shrll waiting for firstboot
[21:23] <soulseeker> what is the process to do it manuly
[21:23] <soulseeker> hi scotte whats going on
[21:23] <soulseeker> do you monitor this channel
[21:24] <soulseeker> things like this lucas_gray follow mr around from channel to channel buy do not respond to anything
[21:25] <soulseeker> there is nothing but boss attitudes making complaints lile this tomreyn
[21:25] <soulseeker> it is reminisciant of police
[21:26] <soulseeker> thrt claim to be protexting something but it isnt there
[21:26] <soulseeker> "keep this channel open for support" but no support
[21:26] <soulseeker> like americans protecting nonexistant freedom
[21:27] <soulseeker> scotte do you speak
[21:28] <soulseeker> hello scotte can you read
[21:52] <sarnold> soulseeker: hopefully useful to you http://rurounijones.github.io/blog/2009/03/17/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/


[15:13] <xnox> hello
[15:13] <xnox> cyphermox: hello, how are you? =)
[15:14] <cyphermox> hey
[15:14] <xnox> cyphermox: are we meant to have a meeting or some such?
[15:14] <xnox> cyphermox: do we have any agenda items?
[15:15] <cyphermox> heh, woops. it's not actually my turn to chair, but whatever
[15:15] <cyphermox> I had chaired in place of Laney last time :)
[15:15] <xnox> cyphermox: did you do it last time? in that case it would be micahg turn
[15:15] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:16] <xnox> Next DMB meetings (Chair: Mathieu): is not helpful then on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[15:16] <cyphermox> but still, I think we just have the agenda item for membership to uploaders
[15:16] <cyphermox> xnox: indeed, but it's because I thought it not good to change the order for one case of switching
[15:16] <cyphermox> I can chair again, don't mind :)
[15:17] <xnox> well we don't have any applicants.
[15:17] <xnox> and I'm not sure how many people are around.
[15:18] <cyphermox> infinity is probably away on vacation this week
[15:18] <cyphermox> ah, Laney is on holiday too
[15:18] <cyphermox> bdmurray: hey
[15:19] <cyphermox> micahg will be back in a few minutes and we can start the meeting then, I suppose.
[15:31] <cyphermox> #startmeeting DMB 2015-10-26
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct 26 15:31:05 2015 UTC.  The chair is cyphermox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:31] <cyphermox> #voters micahg cyphermox xnox bdmurray
[15:31] <meetingology> Current voters: bdmurray cyphermox micahg xnox
[15:31] <cyphermox> #votesrequired 4
[15:31] <meetingology> votes now need 4 to be passed
[15:31] <cyphermox> #topic Review of the previous action items
[15:32] <cyphermox> Laney isn't around, so we'll just skip to the main topic, I guess
[15:32] <cyphermox> #subtopic Granting membership for PPU/packageset uploaders by default
[15:32] <xnox> +1
[15:32] <cyphermox> do we want to discuss this before we vote?
[15:32] <micahg> so, my position is that some should have membership and some shouldn't
[15:33] <cyphermox> This is about the default process for PPU/packageset uploaders, whether they should ask to have membership too when they apply for upload rights
[15:33] <micahg> PPU doesn't, flavor packagesets should, other packagesets were not decided from what I remember
[15:33] <xnox> micahg: the question, whether it's opt-in, or opt-out.
[15:34] <micahg> right, so, it's a mix
[15:34] <cyphermox> why shouldn't PPU? and under which conditions do you feel packagesets might or might not?
[15:34] <micahg> so, the whole goal was to lower the bar for PPU so that more people can apply when they have the technical skills, but not the significant and sustained part
[15:35] <cyphermox> fair enough
[15:35] <cyphermox> still though, doesn't the significant and sustained part get implicitly verified in the way that we account for whether they have the technical skills?
[15:35] <micahg> so, ,if we're doing that, I would think it should be like any other membership where the applicant needs to apply for it
[15:36] <micahg> it could
[15:36] <cyphermox> ok
[15:36] <xnox> well.
[15:36] <xnox> if one wants upload rights apply for PPU for a package and/or packagest.
[15:36] <cyphermox> I feel it might be a little counterproductive to get them to ask for it, etc when they go for upload rights -- if we're to do that, we might as well have them apply to the RMB simply
[15:37] <xnox> if one wants membership apply for contributing member, MOTU, or core.
[15:37] <xnox> cyphermox: we have developer path to membership only - contributing developer.
[15:37] <micahg> I think it should be made abundantly clear to applicants that if they're just going for PPU or a packageset where there isn't a requirement for significant & sustained contribution that they have the option to apply to dev membership as well if they feel they've fulfilled the significant and sustained piece as well
[15:37] <cyphermox> oh, true
[15:38] <cyphermox> so, should we vote then?
[15:38] <micahg> it's basically was it 1 upload every 6 months or something a bit more significant
[15:38] <cyphermox> fwiw, Laney's vote was +1, but he didn't take part of the discussion here now
[15:39] <micahg> but as xnox said, the DMB is still the best place to grant that membership
[15:39] <micahg> * evaluate and grant
[15:42] <micahg> my problem with opt-out is that it increases the risk we'll reject applicants, if it's opt-in, worst case is they have to come back in 2 weeks
[15:43] <bdmurray> How does that work?
[15:44] <bdmurray> "> Individuals, when they apply to the DMB for packageset or PPU rights,
[15:44] <bdmurray> > will be considered separately for their upload access and for Ubuntu
[15:44] <bdmurray> > membership (the latter being optional, and usually not explicitly
[15:44] <bdmurray> > requested)."
[15:45] <cyphermox> should we make it explicitly clear with the applicant then whether they expect to be considered for membership at the meeting?
[15:47] <bdmurray> No, "we didn't expect people to have to say they want membership too"
[15:47] <micahg> that was not my understanding
[15:47] <cyphermox> no, we didn't expect, but we can ask
[15:47] <micahg> I thought for the PPU/packagesets where it wasn't coupled, they would have to ask explicitly
[15:48] <bdmurray> Okay, and the way I read Laney's email is that we will asume they want to be considered for membership.
[15:49] <micahg> right, that seems to be his position
[15:49] <cyphermox> that's the way I read it too
[15:50] <bdmurray> But the two things aren't coupled together.
[15:50] <micahg> well, for some they were (flavor & kernel packagesets, MOTU/core-dev)
[15:53] <cyphermox> so, voting?
[15:54] <cyphermox> #vote Should uploaders be granted Ubuntu membership by default
[15:54] <meetingology> Please vote on: Should uploaders be granted Ubuntu membership by default
[15:54] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:54] <micahg> -1
[15:54] <meetingology> -1 received from micahg
[15:54] <micahg> wait
[15:54] <micahg> that should be a little more narrow, no?
[15:54] <micahg> Should PPU/certain packagesets be granted Ubuntu membership by default?
[15:55] <cyphermox> no, we should reject Laney's proposition explicitly, I think
[15:55] <micahg> ok
[15:55] <cyphermox> or I can close the voting, reject, and we reconvene and further specify it?
[15:56] <cyphermox> I'm +0, btw, because it should be more specific; this depends on packagesets/packages
[15:56] <bdmurray> Are we saying the vote subject is about what is in the iki page?
[15:56] <micahg> you're right, we should vote on what was proposed since the proponent isn't here
[15:56] <micahg> we can then vote on follow up pieces if we want
[15:57] <cyphermox> bdmurray: the vote subject probably should be the specific thing Laney added as a topic?
[15:57] <bdmurray> the email he links to says "it's about whether we
[15:57] <bdmurray> should give these applicants membership implicitly and only use our
[15:57] <bdmurray> right to not give membership when it is needed."
[15:57] <cyphermox> it's super unclear, that's the problem
[15:58] <bdmurray> alright
[15:58] <cyphermox> it's a case-by-case basis and we're trying to codify that
[15:58] <cyphermox> +0
[15:58] <meetingology> +0 received from cyphermox
[15:58] <cyphermox> xnox: ?
[15:58] <bdmurray> I feel like this has been outstanding for quite some time.
[15:58] <cyphermox> bdmurray: yes
[15:59] <cyphermox> bdmurray: I'm not against voting on the specific cases now
[15:59] <cyphermox> or if everyone agrees that Laney meant what we were saying before
[15:59] <cyphermox> (basically, that we give it by default, unless we have a reason not to (ie. not sustained)
[15:59] <bdmurray> I don't want to make that assumption.
[16:00]  * bdmurray spoke too soon
[16:00] <cyphermox> bdmurray: I understand what you mean
[16:02] <cyphermox> xnox: bdmurray: are you voting or do you think we should refine it first?
[16:04] <xnox> i'm for: contributing, motu, core -> implies membership. the rest do not.
[16:05] <cyphermox> xnox: that's a strong -1 then, and PPU/packageset requesters should apply for contributing explicitly?
[16:05] <xnox> yeah.
[16:05] <bdmurray> I guess it needs some refining.
[16:05] <cyphermox> ok, let's see if we can convey this properly in the logs
[16:05] <cyphermox> #endvote
[16:05] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should uploaders be granted Ubuntu membership by default
[16:05] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:1 Abstentions:1
[16:05] <meetingology> Motion denied
[16:05] <cyphermox> #rejected
[16:06] <cyphermox> should we refine this now? have we already done so and vote on a different, more specific topic?
[16:09] <bdmurray> I think Laney should be involved in the refinement.
[16:11] <cyphermox> ok, then
[16:11] <cyphermox> #action cyphermox to update wiki for refinement of Laney's proposition
[16:11] <meetingology> ACTION: cyphermox to update wiki for refinement of Laney's proposition
[16:11] <cyphermox> #topic AOB?
[16:12] <cyphermox> anyone has something else to discuss today?
[16:13] <bdmurray> nope
[16:13] <cyphermox> ok
[16:13] <cyphermox> #topic Chair selection for the next meeting
[16:13] <cyphermox> micahg: your turn according to the wiki list
[16:13] <cyphermox> unless you know you won't be there
[16:13] <micahg> ok :)
[16:14] <micahg> no, I should be there
[16:14] <cyphermox> #action micahg to chair next meeting
[16:14] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to chair next meeting
[16:14] <micahg> which reminds me, I need to send the doodle poll for meeting times
[16:14] <micahg> might as well action that..
[16:14] <cyphermox> #action micahg to send doodle poll for meeting times
[16:14] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to send doodle poll for meeting times
[16:14] <micahg> thanks :)
[16:14] <cyphermox> #endmeeting
[16:14] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct 26 16:14:39 2015 UTC.
[16:14] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-10-26-15.31.moin.txt
[16:14] <cyphermox> thanks everyone :)
[16:33] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:33] <tyhicks> hello
[16:33] <jjohansen> o/
[16:33] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:33] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct 26 16:33:48 2015 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:33] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:34] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:34] <jdstrand> hello
[16:34] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:34] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:34] <jdstrand> I'm working on the various tasks for click-apparmor and policy for xenial
[16:35] <jdstrand> I'm then going to be working on cleaning up snappy policy generation
[16:35] <jdstrand> and some review tools updates
[16:35] <jdstrand> that's it for me
[16:35] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:36] <mdeslaur> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:36] <mdeslaur> I just released mysql updates
[16:36] <mdeslaur> and I have an embargoed issue to test
[16:36] <mdeslaur> after that, I have some ntp updates to test properly and release
[16:36] <mdeslaur> and will go down the list after that
[16:36] <mdeslaur> that's pretty much it
[16:36] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: , you're up
[16:36] <sbeattie> I'm on cve triage this week
[16:37] <sbeattie> I'm finishig testing the openjdk-7 update
[16:38] <sbeattie> I'm also working on the gcc pie patches
[16:38] <sbeattie> I have some yak shaving to finish up for xenial opening and to prep for the sprint
[16:39] <sbeattie> that's pretty much it for my week, though I'm hoping to pick up another update as well
[16:39] <sbeattie> tyhicks: you're it
[16:39] <tyhicks> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:39] <tyhicks> I need to do some sprint prep
[16:40] <tyhicks> I'm in the middle of the Mir attestable timestamps and mapplauncherd reviews
[16:40] <tyhicks> and still hoping to get to AppArmor kernel fix reviews
[16:40] <tyhicks> helping out with the update backlog would be good, too
[16:40] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:41] <jjohansen> I still working on the kernel patches for apparmor stacking
[16:41] <jjohansen> I will also have some sprint prep this week
[16:42] <jjohansen> and I should get the 4.3 apparmor patch tree in order so its ready for 4.3 when in lands
[16:42] <jjohansen> thats it for me sarnold you're up
[16:43] <sarnold> I'm on community this week; there's a few xenial-open tasks held over fro mlast week, perhaps embargoed updates to work on, and a long list of apparmor kernel patches to review
[16:44] <sarnold> also of course some sprint preperation
[16:44] <sarnold> I think that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:45] <tyhicks> he had to step away
[16:45] <tyhicks> we'll move on
[16:45] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:45] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:45] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:45] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/radare2.html
[16:45] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ruby-jquery-rails.html
[16:45] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/async-http-client.html
[16:45] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php-mail.html
[16:45] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/k4dirstat.html
[16:45] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:46] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:48] <tyhicks> jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold: Thanks!
[16:48] <tyhicks> #endmeeting.
[16:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct 26 16:48:14 2015 UTC.
[16:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-10-26-16.33.moin.txt
[16:48] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks
[16:48] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!
[16:49] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks
[16:49] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks
[16:49] <jdstrand> thanks tyhicks :)


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 Raspberry is a little vague so a little bland but goid
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 @KMyers It's so hard to pick an epg
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 I keep thinking I should add Dragon Quest VIII to the library too hlbut don't k ow if I'll hate it
 I think I added thr zoombinis so everyone should see that
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[12:30] <asac> gnomefreak: right will disable tomorrow
[12:37] <asac> gnomefreak: btw, i pushed a tbird update
[12:37] <asac> for homepage, extension page et al
[12:37] <asac> to bzr
[12:38] <asac> was there something else?
[12:38] <asac> trunk has missing icon, right?
[01:29] <gnomefreak> yeah top left hand corner
[01:30] <gnomefreak> no not trunk
[01:30] <gnomefreak> fxc <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:30] <gnomefreak> -c
[01:31] <gnomefreak> iceape still failing to build and trunk doesnt want to build either. im trying something to see if i can get trunk to build
[01:56] <gnomefreak> we might not want to remove that patch
[01:56] <gnomefreak> we may want to re do it maybe?