[03:23] <waylen> hi- looking for help with touchpad on new lubuntu installation
[03:23] <tsimonq2> !ask
[03:24] <waylen> My touchpad isnt recognised at all.  How do I troubleshoot?
[03:25] <lynorian> can you open a terminal control alt t will open it by default and run ` synclient -l`
[03:26] <waylen> output: Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?
[03:29] <lynorian> yes it really is not getting a driver loaded
[03:30] <lynorian> what version of lubuntu are you useing?
[03:31] <waylen> just upgraded, 16.10 I think it is
[03:31] <lynorian> waylen it worked in 16.04
[03:32] <waylen> no, I had .04 and it didn't work there at first either.  After a ton of searching I found a fix.  Had to reinstall and now I can't find the fix anymore  :-(
[03:33] <lynorian> waylen, ouch
[03:33] <waylen> I know right?
[03:43] <waylen> as best I can tell, this has something to do with my driver being "blacklisted".  Does that make sense to anyone?
[03:45] <lynorian> waylen, that sounds like something you would do manually
[03:49] <waylen> under software & updates I found one unknown device under additional drivers. I checked the option that isn't "do not use" and applied.  I'm going to reboot to see i that does anything for me
[08:04] <user__> hi there. I'm using my keyboard to control my mouse . I use the number 5 key to "click". Is there a button for right click? anybody know?
[08:30] <JohnDoe_71Rus> user__: menu key?
[08:31] <JohnDoe_71Rus> https://i.stack.imgur.com/YfgaL.jpg
[08:52] <user__> JohnDoe_71Rus: I tested it and it does't perform a right click, but it actually brings up the menu to where the cursor (line cursor in editor) is positioned. I'm using sublime text and like when i have my cursor over a variable i can now press the meny key and it will bring up the menu as if i right clicked the variable. So not a 100% right click but very useful when i'm programming. Thanks for that.
[10:23] <Stuff> Hi
[10:25] <Stuff> I don't know if I should download Lubuntu 16.10 or 16.04.1 LTS? Is the LTS one still active?
[10:27] <hateball> Yes, thats the whole point of an LTS
[10:28] <Stuff> Is there a lot of differences from the new one and the LTS one?
[10:28] <leszek> no
[10:31] <Stuff> OK thanks
[11:24] <Lavinho> good morning
[11:25] <Lavinho> how to disable permanently touchpad ?
[11:26] <leszek> Lavinho: creat an autostart entry for the command synclient TouchpadOff=1
[12:56] <dukisa> hey guys, should i update to 16.10 since i have 512 mb ram and pentium 4 processor? will it work better than 15.04 or will it make it worse?
[15:52] <faLUCE> hello. I need to set render setting in GLX options, which utility can I use on lubuntu 16.04 ?
[15:53] <leszek> faLUCE: not sure exactly what you mean. What do you want to do exactly ?
[15:55] <faLUCE> leszek:  On 16.04  the screen flickers often (and stop flickering when I change the current window) with this error:    [drm:intel_cpu_fifo_underrun_irq_handler [i915]] *ERROR* CPU pipe A FIFO underrun
[15:55] <faLUCE> someone suggested me to change that setting
[15:56] <leszek> what setting and where ?
[15:57] <faLUCE> leszek: [16:36] <BluesKaj> faLUCE, try your highest render setting in GLX options,3.1 for example
[15:58] <leszek> faLUCE: this sounds like an option in KDE Plasma but you are asking this question in the Lubuntu channel
[16:00] <faLUCE> leszek: anyway, I have this issue with flickering, and I don't know how to fix it
[16:01] <leszek> which intel generation is that ? which chip exactly ?
[16:02] <faLUCE> leszek: how can I obtain this info? lspci?
[16:02] <leszek> yeah lspci if you don't have inxi installed
[16:03] <leszek> lspci | grep -i vga I would suggest
[16:04] <faLUCE> leszek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23918814/
[16:07] <leszek> you could actually try removing the free intel driver and see if with modesetting (gallium drm) it works better
[16:08] <leszek> just remove xserver-xorg-video-intel and reboot and see if it works better
[16:08] <faLUCE> leszek: I was using the proprietary driver
[16:08] <leszek> faLUCE: for intel ? There does not exists such a thing
[16:10] <faLUCE> leszek: in fact the strange thing is that the "additional driver" gui shows me "using processor microcode firmware for intel CPUs from intel-microcode (proprietary)"
[16:10] <faLUCE> I unselected it and selected "do not use the device"
[16:10] <leszek> thast has nothing to do with the graphics driver though
[16:11] <faLUCE> leszek: I see.
[16:11] <faLUCE> but what if I remove the intel driver? could I mess things?
[16:11] <leszek> thats like telling me its 14°C when I ask for the time
[16:11] <faLUCE>  leszek, I did not think that. I thought it comprised the video stuff too
[16:11] <leszek> faLUCE: it could mess things up indeed. But if you know how to chroot from a live system to reinstall the driver nothing really hard that can break
[16:12] <leszek> or how to boot in failsafe mode
[16:12] <faLUCE> leszek: I can' mess up things, now
[16:15] <faLUCE> leszek: thanks anyway for your help
[16:16] <leszek> no probs. Btw. there are other options to try out aswell. They require you to create config files. You can mess up there too but in fact if you change anything you can mess up :) But it might fix the issue
[16:17] <leszek> faLUCE: like trying this config in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf (needs root rights to create this file) with contents: https://paste.kde.org/pwiekdpj7
[16:19] <faLUCE> leszek: there's not  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ dir
[16:20] <leszek> faLUCE: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
[16:22] <faLUCE> leszek: let's try. What if, after reboot I can't see anything?  Do I have to enter into console mode and remove the file?
[16:22] <leszek> yeah failsafe mode bootup and removing the file should help then
[16:23] <faLUCE> ok, let's try and reboot
[16:25] <faLUCE> leszek: I booted normally. I don't know if It's using your config
[16:27] <leszek> glxinfo | head -n 50 should show something useful maybe. just use a pastebin service to post the output of that command
[16:30] <faLUCE> glxinfo | head -n 50  | pastebini
[16:31] <faLUCE> sorry:
[16:31] <faLUCE> leszek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23918944/
[16:32] <faLUCE> leszek: now I have to wait and cross fingers. I'll keep you informed
[16:33] <leszek> I hope that it is working fine :)
[16:34] <faLUCE> leszek: let's hope so, it was a weird bug
[16:34] <faLUCE> leszek: it can happen after hours after boot. I'll keep you informed, anyway, it's a really weird bug
[16:37] <leszek> the intel drivers are really bad for newer cards thats why even ubuntu decided to ditch them in newer versions and just use the generic gallium modesettings driver
[16:38]  * genii slaps i915 around
[16:59] <faLUCE> leszek: so it can happen to windows drivers too?
[17:02] <faLUCE> I think they are lazy for linux support
[17:02] <faLUCE> :-)
[17:09] <leszek> faLUCE: I am not sure if they use the same codebase for windows driver aswell
[17:09] <leszek> in general intel is a bit lazy version 2.9 of their driver now exists as "beta" version for more than a year without actually finally releasing 3.0
[17:10] <leszek> so distros basically need to git pull the changes to the 2.9 version which is a pain in the ass
[17:50] <taiebot> Hi i want to set up midori at my default browser unfortunately all the mime type are still set for firefox how to change this. i tried changing it in "Default applications for LXsession" without success
[17:56] <taiebot> ok look like i got something .config/mimeapps.list
[17:57] <taiebot> need to login logout to see if it works bye :-)
[17:59] <taiebot> shit did not work
[18:01] <taiebot> if any one go any idea that would be great apart from deleting firefox..
[19:56] <Tiberium> Hi everyone, can I upgrade from Lubuntu 16.04 to Lubuntu 16.10 ?
[19:56] <Tiberium> Without reinstalling it
[19:56] <wxl> sure can Tiberium
[19:56] <Tiberium> wxl, how?
[19:57] <Tiberium> do-release-upgrade shows that I'm running latest version
[19:57] <wxl> Tiberium: ah you need to toggle the switch that says you're on LTS
[19:57] <Tiberium> ah, ok
[19:57] <wxl> i think it's in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[19:57] <wxl> Prompt=normal
[19:58] <Tiberium> yeah
[19:58] <Tiberium> found it myself googling, thank you!
[19:58] <wxl> then you can do do-release-upgrade
[19:58] <wxl> or just run update-manager
[19:58] <Tiberium> wxl, thanks!
[20:00] <Tiberium> just 1.8 gigabytes :)
[20:01] <Tiberium> (but it will be fast to me because I use mirror servers and I get 9mb/sec on them)
[20:01] <wxl> nice
[20:06] <nc__> hey I'm trying to install grub via boot-repair and I can't install boot-repair the repoes aren't being accepted
[20:06] <nc__> from ubuntu
[20:06] <nc__> error: could not resolve "archive.ubuntu.com"
[20:07] <wxl> sounds like a networking issue
[20:07] <wxl> i can ping it just fine
[20:07] <wxl> similarly, their webservice is up and running
[20:08] <nc__> odd it says I have internet connection though
[20:08] <wxl> might be a DNS issue then
[20:08] <wxl> you can always edit /etc/hosts and point it at <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:09] <nc__> wxl: for both localhost and lubuntu?
[20:10] <nc__> change out the default IPs for that one?>
[20:10] <nc__> ?*
[20:10] <wxl> nonono
[20:10] <wxl> leave the 127. lines and everything else
[20:10] <wxl> add a new line that's:
[20:10] <wxl> <IP_ADDRESS> archive.ubuntu.com
[20:11] <wxl> then any time you call on archive.ubuntu.com, without using DNS or questioning it, it will reach out to 91.etc
[20:11] <nc__> oh ok cool
[20:12] <nc__> now it's working
[20:12] <nc__> thanks
[20:15] <nc__> "network service discovery disabled. Your current network has a .local domain, which is not recommended and incompatible with the Avahi network service discovery. The service has been disabled."
[20:15] <nc__> anyway I can fix that or is that something not to worry about right now?
[20:16] <wxl> don't worry about it
[20:16] <nc__> k
[20:17] <wxl> avahi makes it so that computers in your network can be referred to as hostname.local and it will automagically resolve the IP
[20:17] <nc__> ah ok
[20:17] <wxl> very useful if you have other computers in the network that you need to communicate with
[20:17] <wxl> we disabled it at work because it tends to be very chatty, network-wise, but man, do i miss it.
[20:23] <taiebot> no one for my problem?
[20:53] <taiebot> Oups solved my problem did not realised that pidgin was set to open with firefox as default browser by changing it to default midori works.
[20:59] <taiebot> From my afternoon test midori should be considered as an alternative browser. Firefox has really become slow on my PC with latest releases. Midori uses 311Mb ram with 6 tabs open with one tab open firefox uses as much. Midori uses as well far less CPU from my old aging graphic card.
[21:02] <nc__> fixed it
[21:02] <nc__> yay


[01:34] <Daekdroom> Hey guys, can someone take a look over #ubuntu-br, because there is a troll called emad?
[02:24] <mneptok> Daekdroom: you want #ubutu-irc for loco channel issues. this is core channels only.
[02:25] <Daekdroom> mneptok, ok
[02:25] <Daekdroom> mneptok, I'll have that in mind the next time :)
[04:41] <Tm_T> good morning
[05:03] <rww> Last Measure link and an exploit. Sure it's a good morning? ;P
[08:02] <jussi> you know, I just love the Spam we get to our lists sometimes... Subject: Windows 7 Professional 64 bit - $99.95 *G*
[08:02] <rww> that's a pretty good discount, forward to me plz
[08:06] <jussi> lol
[08:06] <rww> 7 Professional is $300 :(
[08:07] <jussi> rww: dont buy it then! use ubu.... oh wait :P
[08:09] <Myrtti> hi r00t4rd3d
[09:04] <elky> Please tell me this isn't still going on...
[09:21] <r00t4rd3d> hi
[09:24] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: hi, was good weekend?
[09:24] <r00t4rd3d> im a holiday hater :D
[09:24] <Tm_T> then there's two of us (;
[09:25] <rww> three!
[09:25] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: willing to discuss your ban now?
[09:26] <r00t4rd3d> i doubt it will be much of a "discuss"
[09:26] <Tm_T> nonetheless
[09:28] <r00t4rd3d> im all eyes
[09:29] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: you understand that you should be respectful towards the others in our channels?
[09:29] <r00t4rd3d> Im beyond respectful
[09:30] <Tm_T> please answer yes/no so this stays clear
[09:30] <r00t4rd3d> read everything ive ever typedin the channel
[09:30] <r00t4rd3d> yes
[09:31] <Tm_T> and when there's any disagreement with anyone, especially with ops, you come here and discuss it calmly?
[09:31] <r00t4rd3d> yes
[09:31] <Tm_T> good stuff
[09:32] <r00t4rd3d> yes
[09:32] <r00t4rd3d> :D
[09:33] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: your ban is lifted, have fun
[09:34] <r00t4rd3d> ok , ty
[09:34] <r00t4rd3d> err
[09:34] <r00t4rd3d> yes
[09:34] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: and if there's any issues, just remember we are here, no need to escalate things (:
[09:42] <elky> did he continue to harrass Jordan_U?
[09:43] <Tm_T> not that I know
[09:43] <elky> then what was he banned for?
[09:43] <Tm_T> elky: eventually his hostile attitude towards ops I suppose
[09:45] <elky> and you just unlifted his ban after "reading everything he ever typed in the channel"? hence making him think that you agree that "everything" said by him was respectful?
[09:45] <elky> er, s/unlifted his ban/ lifted his ban/
[09:46] <rww> Works for me. We got into this mess because of a more direct approach to a borderline nick than usual; if he's not an issue any more, mission accomplished. If he is, reban him...
[09:46] <rww> well, some missions accomplished, I guess.
[09:47] <elky> rww, we got in to this mess because he couldn't cope with being asked to do something for the sake of others.
[09:47] <elky> rww, i cannot trust that the next time someone asks him to do something he won't engage the same behaviour
[09:48] <elky> and hence having let him back in without evidence that he /won't/ we've essentially licenced him to do that.
[09:48] <rww> elky: Given that the longstanding attitude towards borderline nicks has been "wait for someone that's not an op to complain about them", I question him being asked to change it in the first place.
[09:48] <rww> If he's problematic towards operator actions in the future, reban him. I did say this :\
[09:48] <Tm_T> elky: he stayed out nicely when I asked him to stay, the original ban wasn't clear case, not even close
[09:48] <Tm_T> so I don't see any reason to keep the ban up if he behaves
[09:49] <elky> Tm_T, he was harrassing to intimidate an op. you just essentially agreed to his assertion that this behaviour was respectful. i don't care how "clear" the ban was, that's a really dangerous message
[09:50] <Tm_T> elky: I never agreed his behaviour being anything, simply that he knows our rules
[09:51] <elky> Tm_T, your unbanning him was agreement to the terms he was stating. you didn't challenge his assertion.
[09:52] <Tm_T> he knows I disagree
[09:52] <Tm_T> it's clear from our previous discussion
[09:52] <Tm_T> I just don't see a point to repeat the previous discussion all over again
[09:53] <Tm_T> and one step wrong way from him will lead to an action
[09:53] <elky> he still asserted, and you didn't challenge. that's capitulation.
[09:54] <Tm_T> my mistake
[09:54] <Tm_T> feel free to chip in when I do such things
[10:02] <jussi> I dont really see an issue with Tm_T's actions - he got the guy to agree that if theres an issue, he will come here and discuss it calmly.
[10:03] <jussi> if the guy acts out again, we talk to him. if he doesnt understand and is rude, we reban
[10:04] <jussi> anyway, Im  out for a bit, lunch time
[10:04] <Tm_T> jussi: have a good lunch
[10:05] <elky> the guy went on a mission of harrassment against an op because he was informed that his nick was awful and advised a new one would be appreciated. That's incredibly disproportionate
[10:05] <elky> what's going to happen when other boundaries are set?
[10:10] <Tm_T> hopefully he has learned to not repeat such actions
[10:10] <elky> i'm doubtful.
[13:59] <knome> erm, host of trench @ #ubuntu
[14:00] <knome> 15:59 » trench<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[14:43] <popey> s/England/UK/
[14:44] <Pici> Hrm.  Some of those are a bit unneccesary imho. I'd consider adding !spotify and !steam though, with a caveat that WINE support is in #winehq
[14:44] <IdleOne> the video on demand ones are not needed imo
[14:46] <Pici> !steam is <reply> Steam can be run under Ubuntu by installing WINE and running the installer from http://www.steampowered.com/ as normal. Application support in WINE can be found in #winehq
[14:47] <Pici> !steam
[14:47] <Pici> Well thats not helpful.
[14:47] <Pici> !no steam is <reply> Steam can be run under Ubuntu by installing WINE and running the installer from http://www.steampowered.com/ as normal. Application support in WINE can be found in #winehq
[14:57] <gord> hehe yeah that was not a good factoid ;)
[14:59] <IdleOne> not saying it isn't good, just saying I don't see why we should tell people to use a paid service when not needed
[15:01] <Pici> I'm not sure I like the !spotify one either.
[15:02] <IdleOne> there are two good reasons not to use spotify. 1- it isn't free and 2- it isn't FREE
[15:03] <IdleOne> AnggaDj98 is OT a lot and at best sometimes almost right about the advice he gives
[15:03] <popey> uhm
[15:04] <Pici> I thought spotify was free.
[15:04] <IdleOne> maybe it is
[15:05] <IdleOne> Note that you have to have a paid account to use the Linux version at this time.
[15:05] <popey> they have a free version
[15:05] <IdleOne> according to the factoid request
[15:05] <popey> that is correct
[15:05] <IdleOne> so the app is free but to be able to use it you have to pay?
[15:06] <popey> no
[15:06] <popey> I dont see how the fact that it's not free or Free make any difference to the factoids existence
[15:06] <popey> flash is non-Free, yet we have !flash
[15:06] <popey> probably more examples if one looked
[15:06] <Pici> I only didn't like it because of its length, not content.
[15:06] <popey> as the factoid says, you can run spotify under WINE
[15:06] <popey> (for free)
[15:06] <popey> it's only the native Linux client which requires a paid account
[15:07] <IdleOne> ah, I misunderstood
[15:07] <IdleOne> sorries
[15:08] <IdleOne> ok, it isn't available in my country :/
[15:09] <IdleOne> is spotify a rebranding of songbird?
[15:09] <Pici> No
[15:10] <Pici> Its a streaming music service like Pandora iirc.
[15:10] <IdleOne> k
[15:10] <knome> yeah.
[15:10] <knome> on-demand music service
[15:11] <IdleOne> so it isn't "for streaming" but to "listening to" streams
[15:11]  * IdleOne takes back everything he said.
[15:11] <IdleOne> that will teach me to speak on what i know not
[15:14] <knome> yeah, for listening. afaik, it DOES do some p2p-style sharing for the stuff you listen to, to keep the services up and running smoothly. but for the end-user, it's for listening only
[15:20] <popey> +1
[15:24] <IdleOne> Good morning BajK
[15:25] <BajK> oh not this channel again
[15:26] <Pici> o.O
[15:27] <IdleOne> I removed the forward I had set and placed a simple ban. The forward was for curse and run but they don't seem to want to stay here long enough to discuss it.
[15:58] <maco> is r3dux always so argumentative?
[16:10] <maco> r3dux hasnt been on topic for an hour :-/
[16:11] <maco> just saying random things about vector math
[20:38] <Tm_T> good night all
[22:52] <IdleOne> idoru took care of it
[23:42] <elky> Tm_T, your rootarded fellow is now PMing me.
[23:56] <CarlFK> r00t's main problem is interacting with ops.
[23:56] <CarlFK> er, main problem we care about
[23:57] <elky> well yes, he seems to think he can intimidate them in to letting him have his way
[23:57] <CarlFK> is that (and only that) worth the ban?
[23:58] <CarlFK> I am very undecided
[23:58] <elky> intimidation is harassment.
[23:58] <elky> intimidation is bullying.
[23:59] <CarlFK> but i don't see that behavior towards other users, just ops that try to talk to him
[23:59] <elky> His ban was lifted under the directive he not continue his previous pattern of interaction. He has, this morning, reverted to that pattern.
[23:59] <CarlFK> ah
[23:59] <CarlFK> swell.


[03:24] <tiwake> https://tiwake.com/sunsets/
[03:24] <tiwake> lubbock texas
[03:24] <tiwake> I took those july 3rd, 2019
[03:25] <tiwake> that cotton gin is inside lubbock city limits... heh


[08:17] <alonswartz> Hey folks. Is the ec2-init package still under active development? Who is spear-heading the project? A while back I signed over copyright of ec2metadata.py to Canonical as per Soren's request, not sure of the status though...
[08:24] <flaccid> maybe you should contact canonical
[08:33] <alonswartz> flaccid: thanks, I think I'll contact Soren and see if he can update me on the status...
[11:00] <alonswartz> BTW, for anyone interested, I just posted ec2metadata.py - http://tinyurl.com/yccut9u


[04:27] <barrydk> More almal
[05:01] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:16] <Kilos> morning mazal  and others
[05:20] <mazal> Morning oom
[05:20] <Kilos> hi amanica
[05:20] <mazal> Oom Kilos, I needs some help
[05:20] <Kilos> whats wrong mazal
[05:21] <mazal> I have an external , in linux boot cd it mounts read-only , in my experience that happens when there is a problem with the drive
[05:21] <mazal> Any advice on what I can use to check and repair
[05:21] <mazal> Problem is , it's a NTFS drive
[05:21] <Kilos> you mean you dont have permissions on it
[05:21] <Kilos> chown it
[05:22] <mazal> Yeah , perted magic boot cd has a window that shows the drives. And it mounts it as read-only and refuse to mount normal. I always get that on faulty drives
[05:22] <mazal> It's NTFS , linux permissions don't apply
[05:23] <Kilos> what happens if you plug it into your pc
[05:23] <mazal> Something is wrong with the drive or filesystem , but the standard tools can't find the problem
[05:23] <Kilos> and use kde
[05:23] <mazal> On Win pc it works fine
[05:23] <mazal> Linux is mos super sensitive for problems on drives
[05:24] <Kilos> ya , lets think a bit
[05:24] <mazal> Does Kubuntu have a tool that can check it , bearing in mind that it's NTFS ?
[05:24] <Kilos> try sudo fsck -f /dev/path to external
[05:25] <Kilos> i think it was -f
[05:26] <Kilos> otherwise i think you have installed gnome disk utility so look at it with disks
[05:26] <Kilos> hi captine  jacques_
[05:26] <jacques_> Morning
[05:26] <Kilos> the disk utility should see if there is an error
[05:30] <Kilos> i think there are commands to run the smart thing
[05:30] <Kilos> but dont ask me
[05:33] <Kilos> mazal  jy maak my hard dink so vroeg in die oggend man
[05:33] <Kilos> any tools you used on unity you can use on kde too
[05:41] <Kilos> oi now he keeps me in suspence
[05:41] <jacques_> :)
[05:41] <Kilos> oh jacques_  you okes and your hassles make my head spin
[05:41] <jacques_> hehe
[05:42] <jacques_> what's wrong now
[05:42] <Kilos> i was thinking about win and delphin
[05:42] <jacques_> haha that is a tough nut to crack
[05:42] <Kilos> once william has got this stuff going,
[05:43] <Kilos> i think one should get the hawks or someone to find who took the bribe and let that take its course
[05:43] <Kilos> they will need to form a committee to investigate i suppose
[05:43] <jacques_> Don't think there is a bribe but the incentive was giving all schools the IDE for free
[05:44] <jacques_> because making test etc. for two languages is work and they don't like work
[05:44] <Kilos> and windows? also free?
[05:45] <jacques_> No but the Dep get MS products for a very low price, as long as they keep all products on MS operating software
[05:46] <Kilos> ai! then we gonna need lots of heads to work this out
[05:47] <jacques_> As soon as a school loads an operating system other than windows on state property then the school can loose all of their MS licenses.
[05:47] <jacques_> That is a big problem
[05:48] <Kilos> who fixes all the crashed pcs and who pays
[05:48] <jacques_> I'll talk to the head of North West of software the next time I see him about the precise rules
[05:48] <Kilos> cool
[05:51] <Kilos> do any of them understand ubuntu
[05:51] <jacques_> No....
[05:51] <Kilos> whew not gonna be a walk in the park
[05:52] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[05:52] <barrydk> Hi Kilos en almal
[05:52] <jacques_> Morning
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:44]  * jacques_ waves
[06:44] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: sudo ntfsfix /dev/bla
[06:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> please don't fsck an NTFS filesystem :-o
[06:46] <jacques_> :)
[06:46] <Kilos> aha ty ThatGraemeGuy
[06:47] <superfly> morning
[06:47] <Kilos> hi superfly
[06:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi fly
[06:59] <mazal> Thanx ThatGraemeGuy , haven't got round to do it yet
[06:59] <mazal> Can't get the freekin thing out of the Win box grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[07:00] <Kilos> lol
[07:01] <mazal> ^&^#$#%$ mixed environments drives me crazy
[07:07] <mazal> Kilos: ThatGraemeGuy: http://bin.snyman.info/mg7gv
[07:07] <mazal> Looks like Linux defnitely wants nothing to do with this drive
[07:07] <mazal> chkdsk on Windows reports no errors though
[07:08] <Kilos> what does disks show
[07:08] <Kilos> is it a working windows drive or a storage drive
[07:09] <mazal> Both windows and linux
[07:09] <mazal> We use this one to copy data from users pc to it before we format their pc's
[07:09] <Kilos> ah
[07:09] <mazal> If os working we copy with Win
[07:09] <mazal> If OS broken we copy with linux boot cd
[07:09] <mazal> And only this week , when using the linux way , we can't access it
[07:10] <Kilos> but it boots fine into windows?
[07:10] <mazal> Works fine in Win
[07:10] <mazal> and even on this Kubuntu box of mine
[07:11] <mazal> Except for those errors that ntfsfix shows
[07:11] <Kilos> lets hear what ThatGraemeGuy  says
[07:11] <mazal> But with linux boot cd , it refuses to mount in any other mode than read only
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> you sure its sdc and not sdc1?
[07:12] <mazal> And that specific cd only does that with drives that isn't healthy , combine that with ntfsfix errors and I think the drive is defnitely not lekker
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> windows doesn't usually like making filesystems on the raw disk without a partition
[07:12] <mazal> Must I put the 1 also ThatGraemeGuy ?
[07:13] <mazal> I'm used to with disk functions to not add the 1 , but let me run the command again with it
[07:14] <mazal> Now I get this: http://bin.snyman.info/49tbk
[07:14] <mazal> According to that , it's ok
[07:14] <mazal> hmm
[07:16] <Kilos> mazal  why you working from the cd? wont it boot into the linux system?
[07:16] <mazal> Kilos: It's when the useless Win OS breaks down and don't boot
[07:16] <mazal> Then we copy off the users data before format
[07:17] <mazal> And we use Parted Magic for that as it is lekka light weight and boots quick
[07:17] <mazal> Maybe I must boot with my Kubuntu cd and see if that can access the drive ?
[07:18] <Kilos> im trying to understand where the prob is
[07:18] <Kilos> its the drive you use for working on other drives
[07:18] <mazal> When booted with parted making , the drive mounts read-only
[07:18] <mazal> So I can't copy the data from internal to the external
[07:18] <mazal> As the external is read-only mode
[07:19] <mazal> And it refuses to mount with write access
[07:19] <Kilos> wait a bit you too fast
[07:19] <Kilos>  its the drive you use for working on other drives?
[07:19] <mazal> Ok lets start over :P
[07:19] <Kilos> sorry
[07:19] <mazal> Pc breaks down ok
[07:19] <Kilos> your pc?
[07:19] <mazal> Os corrupt or just plain useless
[07:19] <mazal> Any users pc
[07:20] <Kilos> wait now
[07:20] <mazal> ok lets start again :P
[07:20] <Kilos> is your pc working fine still
[07:20] <mazal> Forget my pc
[07:20] <mazal> Nothing to do with my pc
[07:20] <Kilos> oh
[07:21] <mazal> One of my user's pc's breaks down ok
[07:21] <Kilos> ok
[07:21] <mazal> OS corrupt and don't boot ok
[07:21] <Kilos> ok
[07:21] <mazal> Now you need to get the users data of there ok
[07:21] <Kilos> ok
[07:21] <mazal> Docs etc.
[07:21] <Kilos> ok
[07:21] <mazal> Now you needs to boot that machine with a cd so that you can copy the data off from it to an external drive ok
[07:22] <Kilos> ok
[07:22] <mazal> Now , our cd of choice to boot with is parted magic. Linux based and boots lekker quick ok
[07:22] <Kilos> ok
[07:22] <mazal> And can access the internal NTFS drive and have a light weight explorer to do the actual copying ok
[07:23] <Kilos> ok
[07:23] <mazal> Now I boot with that cd , plug in the external hdd , and it mounts the external red-only
[07:23] <Kilos> ok now im with you
[07:23] <mazal> That be the problem , I can't copy data to a drive that is mounted read-only
[07:23] <Kilos> try a live ubuntu cd
[07:23] <mazal> and it only started this week , was working fine for a long time
[07:24] <mazal> Now , some additional information
[07:24] <mazal> I have seen it many times before where it mounts the internal read only when the drive is not in good order
[07:24] <mazal> Hence , I suspect that this external is now also not in good order anymore
[07:24] <mazal> Hence my asking for a tool to check it
[07:25] <mazal> Is oom met my nou :)
[07:25] <Kilos> so min of meer ja
[07:25] <mazal> lol
[07:26] <Kilos> have you tried repairing the faulty windows pc where it is. not on an external
[07:26] <mazal> Linux can be very sensitive for drives with problems on then as you yourself have seen many times
[07:26] <Kilos> yes very
[07:26] <mazal> And then mounts read-only
[07:26] <Kilos> disks should show probs
[07:27] <Kilos> use a live ubuntu cd
[07:27] <Kilos> then lets see
[07:27] <mazal> My next plan is to try booting with my Kubuntu cd and see if that works , cos on my Kubuntu pc itself the drive is fine and I have write access
[07:27] <Kilos> maybe your parted cd is sick
[07:28] <mazal> I hope not
[07:28] <mazal> Seriously lekker tool that for drive functions
[07:29] <Kilos> its just another download to make a new one isnt it?
[07:29] <Kilos> but try a buntu cd first
[07:29] <mazal> Not anymore , it's changed to enterprise ware now
[07:29] <mazal> have to buy it now
[07:29] <Kilos> ai!
[07:29] <mazal> It was free previously
[07:29] <Kilos> where is the iso you downloaded to make it
[07:30] <mazal> Backed up somewhere
[07:30] <Kilos> forget that all for now try a buntu cd
[07:31] <mazal> Will do
[07:31] <mazal> Don't have a pc available to boot now , will try on the next one
[07:32] <Kilos> lol
[07:39] <mazal> Won't take long , between the virusses and HO's updates they are breaking at record speed
[07:40] <Kilos> why not just run anti virus and anti malwares on them and fix them in place?
[07:41] <Squirm> Morning
[07:41] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:41] <mazal> Kilos: We are not allowed to remember
[07:41] <Kilos> oh ya
[07:42] <Kilos> get your own and use them
[07:42] <Kilos> they wont even know
[07:42] <mazal> And how much is that gonna cost , protection for 300 machines , I ain't paying that
[07:42] <mazal> And no internet to update it also
[07:42] <Kilos> no man i think you can get them free to download
[07:43] <mazal> Free stuff is rubbish
[07:43] <Kilos> nono
[07:43] <mazal> Virusses flies past them
[07:43] <Kilos> addaware and avast work
[07:43] <mazal> We already tried that
[07:43] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:43] <mazal> There is one specific one that is very hard to detect
[07:44] <jacques_> I have been using avast for 4 years now
[07:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: the free stuff doesn't work in big network, the proper commercial AV solutions have centralised updating and reporting and a whole lot that you wouldn't care about in a home setting
[07:44] <Kilos> aha ty ThatGraemeGuy
[07:44] <jacques_> avast for business is free - have centralised reporting and custom templates
[07:45] <mazal> Yeah , getting it updated is a nightmare
[07:45] <jacques_> caching proxy catches the updates
[07:45] <Kilos> how are they getting bugs with no internet
[07:45] <mazal> USB sticks
[07:45] <mazal> Biggest virus deployer there is
[07:45] <Kilos> ai!
[07:45] <jacques_> O.O
[07:46] <jacques_> ai
[07:46] <jacques_> sticks are a problem
[07:46] <mazal> Runns quicker than freekin nodebreakers lol
[07:47] <Kilos> all this work
[07:47] <mazal> And don't forget email , just as bad
[07:47] <Kilos> sjoe rather you than me
[07:48] <jacques_> nah I have been impressed with avast here, in 4 years no slip-ups yet
[07:48] <mazal> They click on every phising scam and attachment they get
[07:48] <mazal> Never listen to us
[07:48] <jacques_> >.<
[07:49] <Kilos> ya my boet uses avast as well and he is in rotek head office
[07:49] <jacques_> and on the business version people can't disable it so :D
[07:50] <mazal> jacques_:  ja nee , is a battle here. Like I explained the other day to someone here. We have to deal with the problems and users. But we have no say in what is used on  the machines. We only allowed to install what our HO gives us to install
[07:51] <Jacques_Stry> ...
[07:51] <Jacques_Stry> damb
[07:51] <mazal> Is like " It's your problem , but you are not allowed to decide how to solve it "
[07:52] <Kilos> lol
[07:52] <Jacques_Stry> On old version I had people who disabled the AV because it deletes all files on their stick...
[07:52] <mazal> Then you go like " Ok , you with the certificates longer than church street , you decide then and help us "
[07:52] <mazal> Then you get " No "
[07:54] <mazal> These clowns sit in their air-con offices and play with e-mail the whole day and never even seen one of our networks , let alone sort it out
[07:54] <Jacques_Stry> mazal: I feel your struggle
[07:54] <Jacques_Stry> I'm lucky cause I can run everything as I pleaes
[07:54] <Jacques_Stry> please*
[07:54] <mazal> Then you go " Ok , train me and I will do it"
[07:54] <mazal> Then you get " No "
[07:55] <mazal> **end rant**
[07:55] <Jacques_Stry> lol
[07:56] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[07:56] <mazal> sooooo maaz , what's for lunch today ?
[07:56] <mazal> Maaz ek praat met jou
[07:57] <Maaz> mazal: Excuse me?
[07:57] <pieter2627> hi Kilos
[07:57] <mazal> Hi pieter2627
[07:57] <Kilos> Maaz  whats for lunch
[07:57] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[07:57] <Kilos> ai!
[07:57] <Kilos> Maaz  what's for lunch
[07:57] <Maaz> Kilos: Click on the day to view the bargains for the day http://www.tukkieslife.co.za/Bargains.aspx
[07:57] <pieter2627> Hi mazal
[07:59] <Kilos> wow that tukkies link is slow
[07:59] <mazal> lol , is it an actual site ?
[07:59] <Kilos> i dunno
[07:59] <Kilos> i have no idea where maaz learned that
[07:59] <Kilos> wb Webtricity
[07:59] <mazal> We are getting a KFC :)
[07:59] <Kilos> yum
[07:59] <mazal> Then I will stop bothering maaz
[08:00] <mazal> It only took about 10 years since the first one planned it
[08:01] <mazal> No hang on , must be closer to 20 years
[08:06] <Kilos> Maaz  what's for lunch
[08:06] <Maaz> Kilos: Go get Chippies, your friends will love you
[08:06] <Kilos> lol
[08:22] <Kilos> hello inetpro
[08:23] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[08:23] <inetpro> sorry Kilos, busy here as usual
[08:23] <Kilos> np sir
[08:23] <Kilos> just checking you still alive
[08:26]  * Jacques_Stry waves at the pro
[08:29] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  you so quiet
[08:34] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  do you know where to find our team reports
[08:34] <Kilos> just wanna check up if pro is slacking
[08:35] <Kilos> neelsie knows but seems he is buried in dirty nappies
[08:37] <Jacques_Stry> Team reports?
[08:37] <Jacques_Stry> No idea
[08:38] <Kilos> lol
[08:38] <Kilos> hi magellanic
[08:39] <magellanic> hey
[08:40] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[08:40] <Kilos> wat breek jy nou weer
[08:41] <Langjan> Hi Kilos, you will make me neurotic...
[08:41] <Kilos> lol
[08:42] <Kilos> teasing man
[08:42] <Langjan> Jammer ek het gisteraand sonder seremonie afgesit, was so vaak ek het ongemanierd opgetree.
[08:42] <Langjan> No problem, I know
[08:42] <Kilos> geen probleem
[08:43] <Kilos> when william mails all his info to the list you might find stuff you and your recruits can help with
[08:44] <Kilos> all to do with getting schools involved or something
[08:44] <Langjan> Good, will look out. Wondering about the rogue laptop, the man says it was slow and hiccuppy from new, now it is only showing 1,7Gb of RAM, where is the rest going to?
[08:45] <Kilos> eish
[08:45] <Langjan> Its holding back on 300MB of RAM, that's 15% of its complete RAM
[08:45] <Langjan> I'll Google around a bit, let you know if I find anything
[08:46] <Kilos> ok
[08:46] <Kilos> some ran gets stolen for graphics i think, but dont know how much
[08:48] <nuvolari> bah! intellij 14.1 is slow :'(
[08:49] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[08:54] <Kilos> found it Jacques_Stry  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/TeamReports/Current
[08:54] <Kilos> looks like pro did it
[08:55] <Kilos> good man
[09:02] <Kilos> apart from all the ai! and man and links to all over he is actually a great asset here
[09:04] <Langjan> Kilos looks like I must check bios to see how much ram is allocated to graphics, will hopefully do it tomorrow
[09:04] <Kilos> im looking Langjan
[09:05] <Kilos> http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-find-out-how-much-ram-is-installed-in-ubuntu
[09:07] <Kilos> but unity 14.04 prefers 4g. my pc with only 2g also sukkels
[09:36] <Langjan> Thks, I have Ubuntu Tweak installed, so its not a problem to see installed ram, but it only shows 1,7 out of 2 Gb. Mine runs fine on 2Gb, but this one is a bit sluggish and methinks the extra 300Mb will help, it cannot take more than 2Gb
[09:37] <Langjan> Ek dog jy werk nie met Unity nie?
[09:37] <Kilos> lol ek het dit op my ou pc wat baie min aangeskakel word
[09:37] <Kilos> eintlik met 12.02 op
[09:38] <Kilos> how many percent is 500meg of 6 gig
[09:39]  * pieter2627 thinks 1/12 ~ 8%
[09:39] <Kilos> note that link says only 5.5g is available from the 6 gig installed
[09:44] <Kilos> oh Langjan  i dont know if its relevant here but i remember once having to do a swapon with unity
[09:45] <Kilos> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/utopic/man8/swapon.8.html
[09:46] <Kilos> i think that sped things up a bit
[09:48] <Langjan> Thks I thought that if I cannot come right by bios I will have a look at swap
[09:49] <Kilos> ok
[09:52] <Langjan> That swapon page is Greek to me, where do I start?
[09:53] <Kilos> its just a command something like sudo swapon
[09:53] <Kilos> let me see if i can find more
[09:53] <pieter2627> `sudo swapon -a` - the a option for all
[09:53] <Kilos> ty pieter2627
[09:54] <pieter2627> Can use `free -m` to check if swap is on also
[09:54] <Langjan> thks, perhaps a good idea on any machine?
[09:55] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm....
[09:55] <Kilos> lol
[09:55] <Kilos> where is the ai!
[09:55] <Langjan> wats so snaaks jongman?
[09:55] <Kilos> die pro
[09:56] <Langjan> seious stuff this for old peoples
[09:56] <Langjan> serious
[09:56] <Kilos> yeah i know im still suffering
[09:56] <inetpro> Kilos: you don't look at activities on trello?
[09:56]  * inetpro has to tell him everything?
[09:56] <inetpro> ai!
[09:57] <Kilos> i get som many trello mails and try follow what all is said
[09:57] <inetpro> Kilos: isn't that why we use trello?
[09:57] <Kilos> i even asked something there
[09:57] <Kilos> that tlc  thing, isnt it done yet?
[09:58] <Kilos> we use trello because you like it
[09:58] <inetpro> the question is there to see for everyone, maybe one day you will get an answer
[09:58] <inetpro> just be patient
[09:58] <Kilos> ai!
[09:59] <inetpro> is it urgent?
[09:59] <Kilos> well its months old already and i thought our site is fine
[09:59] <Kilos> so where the tlc comes in
[10:00] <inetpro> so maybe you should ask this question again later when other people are listening
[10:00] <Kilos> it should be by done already
[10:00] <Kilos> i think he is listening
[10:01] <Kilos> but pulling a goosie on the crowd
[10:01] <Kilos> a goosie is "im not deaf,  i'm just ignoring you"
[10:02] <inetpro> Kilos: did you notice https://trello.com/c/j6tC4RZn ?
[10:02] <Kilos> yes for next month and this month is in the done section
[10:03] <Kilos> well done sir, you were busy last night
[10:04] <inetpro> there's a little link to the TeamReports right there
[10:04] <Kilos> lol
[10:04] <Kilos> well done
[10:05] <Kilos> now just to finish africa site then we can move on
[10:05] <inetpro> now get some work done please
[10:05] <Kilos> i saw some rejected
[10:06] <Kilos> i cant find mopkops branch
[10:06] <inetpro> stop playing games there, start working
[10:06] <Kilos> ai!
[10:06] <inetpro> :-)
[10:06] <Kilos> i also have the loco peeps to bring over to our side
[10:07] <Kilos> i need an explanation on bzr and nicola too please
[10:08] <Kilos> once the site is actually up, maintenance will be minimal wont it
[10:08] <Kilos> wb Webtricity
[10:08] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously
[10:08] <inetpro> or rather, that is the idea
[10:08] <Kilos> its just a site with some links
[10:09] <Kilos> no one can actually do anything to the sites
[10:09] <Kilos> right or wrong
[10:09] <inetpro> unless you have some other ideas, which I have tried to extract from you over the last month+
[10:09] <Kilos> forget obviously that an addon to why where hoe etc
[10:10] <Kilos> ai!
[10:11] <Kilos> i see you smirking
[10:12] <Webtricity> ta Kilos
[12:40] <pieter2627> Has anyone here tried their hand at creating an app using the SDK?
[12:44] <Kilos> rings a bell pieter2627  i think someone spoke about it. just be patient, someone will get a chnce now now
[12:45] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless
[12:51] <Kilos> ai!
[12:53] <Kilos> just yesterday someone gave me the link to our lanchpad members
[12:57] <Kilos> yay for once i found it
[13:00] <Kilos> now i cant put a name to cantide
[13:03] <Kilos> inetpro  so cheeky
[13:03] <inetpro> Kilos: uh?
 unless you have some other ideas, which I have tried to extract from you over the last month+
[13:04] <Kilos> you the one with ideas man i follow
[13:04] <inetpro> Kilos: you started the project
[13:04] <inetpro> you the one who wants a website
[13:05] <Kilos> not before someone jammed the idea in my head
[13:05] <inetpro> ai!
[13:05] <Kilos> hehe
[13:05] <Kilos> anyway that remark was irrelevantto my query
[13:06] <Kilos> now tell me who cantide was please
[13:06] <Kilos> found him some buntu peeps in korea that need guidance
[14:16] <Kilos> hi kulelu88
[14:16] <kulelu88> anybody else without lights now? apparently stage 2 loadshedding
[14:16] <Kilos> ai! again
[14:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> do you people not follow any news sources, you always seem so surprised by load shedding
[14:23] <Kilos> no we hope the saying no news is good news proves true
[14:23] <Kilos> my power still on
[14:26] <Kilos> wb Jacques_StrY  you home now
[14:26] <Jacques_StrY> yea :)
[14:26] <Kilos> lekker
[14:40] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  you been using buntu for a long time
[14:40] <Jacques_StrY> bout 18 months now
[14:41] <Kilos> i been wanting to ask, how come you came here so recently only
[14:41] <Jacques_StrY> so not long
[14:41] <Kilos> how did you find us
[14:42] <Jacques_StrY> well after trying linux I jumped in head first and was learning allot
[14:42] <Jacques_StrY> and a guy I follow on google plus shared an article on your new website
[14:42] <Kilos> aha
[14:43] <Jacques_StrY> think is was danie van der merwe?
[14:43] <Jacques_StrY> it*
[14:43] <Kilos> we need to advertise better then so we catch peeps from when they start
[14:43] <inetpro> Kilos: you looking fro cantide?
[14:43] <inetpro> for*
[14:43] <Kilos> yes please inetpro
[14:44] <inetpro> can I ask why you have a list of members?
[14:44] <Kilos> ive looked but forgot his name
[14:44] <inetpro> it's there
[14:44] <Kilos> sigh
[14:45] <Kilos> on the launchpad place only names, no nicks
[14:45] <inetpro> does your browser not have a FIND function?
[14:45] <Kilos> ai!
[14:45] <inetpro> Kilos: and what about your own list?
[14:45] <Kilos> ok tell me how
[14:45] <inetpro> it's not even long
[14:45] <Kilos> is he there
[14:45] <Kilos> oh my
[14:46] <inetpro> ai!
[14:46] <inetpro> with Firefox I press Ctrl+F and then type cantide and ENTER
[14:46] <kulelu88> ThatGraemeGuy: it's not surprise, it's lack of consistency. If you loadshed, they should at least do it properly using a guaranteed schedule
[14:46] <Kilos> no cantide there he hasnt been on since the new list  was started
[14:47] <Jacques_StrY> i think this is the post that got me here: https://plus.google.com/+DanievanderMerwe/posts/3GZp3qLBdRx
[14:48] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  then fight with him and ask him why he aint here
[14:48] <inetpro> Kilos: he's been there since 2015-02-22 20:11:09
[14:49] <Kilos> oh my under what nick?
[14:49] <Kilos> i dont use the fox man
[14:49] <Kilos> and opera dont like that ctrl+f
[14:49] <Kilos> and chrome finds nothing
[14:50] <inetpro> Kilos: what page are you looking at?
[14:50] <Kilos> oh that
[14:50] <inetpro> ai!
[14:51] <inetpro> oops.. did I say cantide?
[14:51] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry, I'm very confused
[14:52] <kulelu88> what browser do you use if not firefox?
[14:52] <Kilos> aha
[14:52] <inetpro> Kilos: I thought you're looking for captine
[14:52] <Kilos> opera-dev and chrome and epiphany
[14:52] <Kilos> yay and here i thought i was dom
[14:52] <Kilos> hee hee
[14:52] <inetpro> ai!
[14:53] <Kilos> cantide not captine
[14:54] <Kilos> that ctrl+f crashed my opera
[14:55] <Kilos> and i didnt say relaunch so all them open pages are now closed
[14:55] <Kilos> sigh
[14:58] <Kilos> found one lekker thing in chrome, opened a korean site and it offered to translate it to english
[14:58] <Kilos> hehe
[15:00] <kulelu88> proof that google tracks everything on chrome
[15:00] <Kilos> most likely ya
[15:04] <inetpro> kulelu88: it's a feature, not a bug
[15:04] <Kilos> lol
[15:04] <Kilos> oh Jacques_StrY  that was the pro spreading the word
[15:05] <Jacques_StrY> I saw the signature at the bottom of the post :)
[15:05] <Kilos> lol
[15:05] <Jacques_StrY> Pro was doing some fine work
[15:05] <Kilos> our own pro
[15:05] <Kilos> proper nag but with a good heart
[15:06] <inetpro> ai!
[15:06] <Kilos> hee hee
[15:06] <kulelu88> now things will be quiet again until 28 April.
[15:06] <Kilos> the pro has been very good to me from the beginning'
[15:07] <inetpro> he just gets a bit grumpy from time to time
[15:07] <Kilos> he is just a bit thick at times and expects me to remember things like normal peeps do
[15:07] <Jacques_StrY> lol
[15:08] <Kilos> but im starting to remember better the things that are said here
[15:08] <inetpro> especially when some peeps fail to RTFS and RTFM
[15:08] <Kilos> carry on
[15:08] <Kilos> you are so dom at times you know
[15:09] <inetpro> Kilos: don't worry
[15:09]  * inetpro fails at that all the time also
[15:09] <Kilos> rtfs and rtfm dont explain things like you do
[15:09] <kulelu88> Eventually you 2 will have to MMA this out
[15:09] <Jacques_StrY> FINISH HIM!
[15:09] <inetpro> MMA?
[15:09] <Kilos> whats MMA
[15:09] <Jacques_StrY> mixed martial arts
[15:10] <Kilos> lol
[15:10] <inetpro> yikes!
[15:10] <Kilos> i win
[15:10]  * inetpro hides in the corner
[15:10] <Kilos> actually in basic english
[15:10] <inetpro> I have work to finish man
[15:10] <Kilos> rtfs=rtfm=inetpro
[15:12] <inetpro> where's that time machine?
[15:12]  * inetpro needs to travel to the future to fix a problem...
[15:12] <kulelu88> don't you okes watch EFC Africa?
[15:13] <Kilos> whats that?
[15:13] <kulelu88> it's MMA
[15:13] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:14] <kulelu88> they say loadshedding is costing between 20-80 billion rand a month to the economy
[15:14] <Kilos> no but ive seen some jean claude van dam movies if that counts
[15:15] <inetpro> oops!
[15:15]  * inetpro pressed the wrong button
[15:15] <inetpro> now back to reality
[15:15] <Kilos> finish your work man
[15:15] <Jacques_StrY> inetpro: Delete the internet button?
[15:21] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:21] <Kilos> hi qwebirc32751
[15:21] <Kilos> which one are you?
[15:21] <Jacques_StrY> Are you the Droid we were looking for?
[15:22] <qwebirc32751> Hi Kilos, logged in from the ubuntu-za web front-end
[15:22] <Kilos> oh wow wb gwood
[15:23] <gwood> hi everyone
[15:23] <Kilos> hows things there
[15:24]  * Jacques_StrY waves
[15:24] <gwood> going well, just been very busy
[15:25] <gwood> how goes Kilos ?
[15:25] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[15:25] <Kilos> everyone is very busy
[15:25] <gwood> wish i was busy doing nothing :)
[15:26] <Kilos> lol
[15:26] <Kilos> you have missed lots man
[15:26] <Kilos> naughty to stay away so long
[15:27] <gwood> my university work has been getting super hectic, just finished writing a journal paper
[15:27] <gwood> I also live in PE, so the community here is basically non-existent
[15:27] <Kilos> we forgive you as long as its study time that keeps you busy, not jolling
[15:28] <Kilos> we are the community
[15:28] <gwood> lol, wish i was jolling, looks like that is why students go to university. I actually came here to study
[15:29] <Kilos> good lad
[15:29] <gwood> yes, but its nice to have physical meetups
[15:29] <Kilos> ya but we make a good second choice
[15:30] <Kilos> you on a windows pc? is that why you are using the sites chat client
[15:31] <Kilos> and what do you think of the new site
[15:37] <gwood> the new site looks good. I'm on Ubuntu. I am not using an irc client at the moment.
[15:37] <Kilos> ah
[15:39] <gwood> also need to figure out how to punch through the universities annoying firewalls :(
[15:39] <Kilos> ai!
[15:58] <SilverCode> does anyone know why linux wouldn't let me modify a filesystem, saying it is readonly, even though it is mounted as (rw)
[15:59] <SilverCode> on the host I have say /dev/sda1 mounted on /data/
[15:59] <SilverCode> I then export via nfs /data to /export/data
[15:59] <SilverCode> and on the client I mount /export/data to /media/data
[16:00] <SilverCode> on the host i can write to the filesystem, but on the client side is says it is readonly ... but mount shows it as (rw)
[16:00] <SilverCode> ... and it was working fine a couple of days ago
[16:01] <SilverCode> maybe I should just reboot the machine. Rebooting always helps
[16:01] <Kilos> lol
[16:01] <Kilos> mazal was also having similar probs this morning
[16:01] <kulelu88> proxy gwood
[16:02] <Kilos> read only that worked before
[16:02] <SilverCode> wonder if there was an update to nfs that caused it
[16:02] <kulelu88> SilverCode: blame windows
[16:04] <SilverCode> kulelu88: heh, I'm not sure I could get away with that ... there isn't a Windows PC anywhere near the network
[16:04] <Kilos> lol
[16:04] <kulelu88> SilverCode: blame systemd or openssl
[16:05] <kulelu88> time to save battery life, in case africa decides lights are out permanently
[16:05] <SilverCode> kulelu88: I had actucally considered blaming systemd, but then I checked, and I am still using init. Also, the last time I tried systemd, I kinda liked it
[16:06] <SilverCode> so I'm going to blame openssl
[16:06] <SilverCode> and reboot
[16:10] <SilverCode> well that didn't help
[16:10] <Kilos> eish
[16:20] <SilverCode> yay, problem fixed
[16:21] <SilverCode> step one is resolving problems is always make sure you are looking at the right damn thing
[16:21] <Kilos> oh my
[16:22] <SilverCode> turns out I wasn't using nfs mounts, but lxc mount entries
[16:22] <SilverCode> no idea how they had reset themselved to ro though
[16:22] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:22] <SilverCode> but at least it is working
[16:22] <Kilos> good
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:08] <Mopkop> Hello all!
[17:24] <Kilos> hi Mopkop
[17:24] <Kilos> sorry i was eating
[17:25] <Mopkop> I figured :)
[17:25] <Kilos> lol
[17:26] <Mopkop> Anyway, I broke ubuntu again today. Tried installing kubuntu-desktop. It worked, but when I tried to remove it, it took a bunch of icons and made everthing slow :(
[17:26] <Kilos> oh my
[17:27] <Mopkop> Well at least I tried KDE.
[17:27] <Kilos> lol
[17:27] <Mopkop> Still prefer Unity, even though it's glitchy at times.
[17:28] <Mopkop> O, and to answer your question, no I did not do that TLC, still waiting for my menu-revisions branch to be reviewed. I'm not sure which branch I should add the revisions to.
[17:28] <Kilos> oh
[17:29] <Kilos> what was the tlc it needed
[17:31] <Mopkop> Hmm, can't remember. Oh yes, we wanted to explain things better :)
[17:32] <Kilos> oh
[17:33] <Mopkop> Almost done with Ubuntu Africa. Had to sukkel with Nikola again. I fixed it, but I'm not sure how. Something to do with the #-things in the conf file.
[17:33] <Kilos> oi
[17:33] <Kilos> i can wait to see it
[17:33] <Kilos> cant
[17:34] <Kilos> dont forget to add it to your wiki page if fly passes it
[17:36] <Mopkop> O yes, I forgot about than, will do.
[17:36] <Mopkop> Thank you for remembering me.
[17:36] <Kilos> reminding
[17:37] <Kilos> herinner=remind
[17:37] <Mopkop> Lol, ok, Engels was my swakste vak op skool. En ek het al my modules hierdie semester in Engels :(
[17:38] <Kilos> ek help seun
[17:38] <Mopkop> Dankie oom!
[17:38] <Kilos> plesier
[17:38] <Kilos> ons is mos een community hier
[17:39] <Kilos> jy kan enige tyd vra vir hulp
[17:42] <superfly> Mopkop: # is a comment
[17:43] <Mopkop> superfly: I know. Some line was commented out in the conf.py which prevented the font-awesome things to appear. I shuffled the comments around I suddenly it worked. I have no idea why :-/
[17:44] <Kilos> superfly  how is your memory? can you remember cantides name
[17:50] <superfly> Kilos: memory? what's that?
[17:50] <Kilos> rofl
[17:50] <Kilos> you guys are bad as me
[17:50] <Kilos> but i just remembered, i can maybe find it in team reports from a year back or more
[17:53] <Kilos> got it
[17:54] <Kilos> yoohoo
[17:54] <Mopkop> Well done!
[17:54] <Kilos> ty
[17:54] <Kilos> i may be stupid but im not a fool
[17:54] <Kilos> hehe
[17:58] <Mopkop> :)
[18:03] <Kilos> aw he never did the launchpad thing
[18:10] <Kilos> wb Jacques_StrY
[18:10]  * Jacques_StrY waves
[18:10] <Kilos> hi qwebirc14086
[18:10] <Kilos> so many qwe peeps coming here i get lost
[18:10] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[18:11] <Jacques_StrY> Attack of the clones ?
[18:11] <Kilos> lol
[18:11] <Kilos> its that irc client in our site , it should enforce peeps entering a nick
[18:12] <Jacques_StrY> Yea, would be a good idea
[18:16] <Kilos> hi danie
[18:16] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:16] <Kilos> aw
[18:16] <Kilos> i scared him off
[18:16] <Kilos> wb danie
[18:16] <jacques_> haha, don't know what's happening - struggling to keep connection
[18:16] <Kilos> hehe
[18:17] <Kilos> is that you?
[18:17] <Squirm> Evening
[18:17] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[18:17]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[18:21]  * Jacques_Stry is watching Ubuntu's Openstack webinar.
[18:21] <Jacques_Stry> Scary the scale these people are talking about
[18:22] <Kilos> listen carefully then relay after
[18:36] <magespawn> good evening, back from load shedding
[18:36]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[18:37] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:37] <Kilos> theyll most likely hit me tomorrow
[18:38] <Jacques_Stry> We have luckily been spared
[18:40] <superfly> Jacques_Stry: what sort of scale?
[18:41] <Jacques_Stry> Just what capability the software supports, to grow, expand, fault tolerance and just sheer speed.
[18:42] <Jacques_Stry> They are talking about growing a cloud up to a 100 000 nodes in under 6 hours
[18:43] <superfly> ah
[18:43] <superfly> yum
[18:43] <Jacques_Stry> sounds like a dream
[18:44] <superfly> We're having an interesting "issue" at the moment. One of our clients wants a consolidated platform for all their systems, so they contracted another company whom we had to interface with.
[18:44] <superfly> We use Google App Engine, so scale is not a worry for us.
[18:44] <superfly> But the way things work is that you shove heavier stuff into a queue and let the queue process it.
[18:44] <Jacques_Stry> Google App engine scales almost infinitely so yea...
[18:45] <superfly> so for all the stuff we had to send them, we just shoved it into a queue, and that started hitting them
[18:45] <superfly> They couldn't cope. In fact, they can't. We had to scale the queue down drastically so that we're stop DoSing their server
[18:46] <Jacques_Stry> haha
[18:46] <superfly> they can't handle more than 10 concurrent connections
[18:46] <superfly> *10*
[18:46] <Jacques_Stry> >.<
[18:46] <superfly> that's NOTHIGN
[18:46] <superfly> *NOTHING
[18:46] <Jacques_Stry> But I must say Google's system is way large
[18:46] <superfly> Oh yes, one of the things I love about GAE is that you don't have to care about scalability
[18:47] <Jacques_Stry> Scales as you need more
[18:47] <superfly> (in essence - it's not that straightforward))
[18:48] <Jacques_Stry> But I don't understand - why would they move away from GAE?
[18:50] <magespawn> solution superfly ?
[18:50] <superfly> Jacques_Stry: they didn't, they used .NET from the beginning. We're not going anywhere.
[18:50] <superfly> magespawn: scale down our task queue
[18:51] <superfly> at it's height, there were 250,000 tasks in the queue with a delay of over 55 hours
[18:51] <Jacques_Stry> ...
[18:51] <Jacques_Stry> Poor network...
[18:57] <superfly> Jacques_Stry: their app is hosted on Azure, it *should* be able to handle the load
[19:03] <Jacques_Stry> Mmmm... I'm gonna refrain from commenting on Azure >.<
[19:03] <superfly> hahaha
[19:04] <superfly> Jacques_Stry: it's good, but it's not good enough, from what I've heard
[19:11]  * Squirm looks around
[19:11] <Jacques_Stry> Well I have not worked nearly at that scale, would be cool tho
[19:13] <magespawn> superfly: but does that not affect your side?
[19:14] <superfly> magespawn: that's the beauty of it, the task will fail, and then retry. So you get a backup of tasks (hence the 250000), but the tasks just keep on plodding on, while you app continues on it's merry way, completely unaffected.
[19:15] <Squirm> Queues are wonderful things
[19:15] <Squirm> Drop the message in the queue, no need to wait for a response :)
[19:16] <magespawn> so then yours does not rely on theirs to carry on?
[19:16] <Squirm> magespawn: basically, one the message is in the queue, it's up the the process on the other end to handle it
[19:16] <Squirm> s/one/once
[19:16] <superfly> magespawn: nope
[19:17] <magespawn> ahh right
[19:17] <Squirm> magespawn: https://www.rabbitmq.com/
[19:17] <Jacques_Stry> awesome
[19:17] <superfly> magespawn: it's mostly notifications... they want to know what's happening, so we pop off a notification and move on.
[19:17] <magespawn> so then scaling down is just so thier server can handle the load then?
[19:18] <Squirm> superfly: we use queues for most things now
[19:18] <superfly> Squirm: yeah, we use queues for *everything*
[19:19] <superfly> magespawn: precisely
[19:19] <Squirm> Yeah
[19:19] <superfly> ohi danfowler
[19:19] <superfly> *danie
[19:19] <Squirm> hey danie
[19:19] <Squirm> superfly: they're great
[19:19] <danie> hi there
[19:19] <superfly> welcome to #ubuntu-za
[19:19] <superfly> where's Kilos?
[19:19] <Jacques_Stry> Welcome :)
[19:20] <magespawn> hi danie
[19:20] <danie> thanks, think my IDs are mixed up somewhere
[19:20] <Squirm> haha
[19:20] <Kilos> here superfly
[19:20] <magespawn> superfly is that the app you link to?
[19:20] <Kilos> isnt that Jacques_Stry
[19:20] <superfly> magespawn: app?
[19:20] <Jacques_Stry> ???
[19:21] <magespawn> the link you posted
[19:21] <Kilos> hi danievdm
[19:21] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[19:21] <danievdm> hi Kilos
[19:21] <superfly> magespawn: on Fakebook?
[19:21] <Squirm> magespawn: that was a link I posted
[19:21] <Jacques_Stry> Yea he's the guy that got me here
[19:21] <Squirm> It's a queueing application
[19:21] <Kilos> aha welcome
[19:21] <Kilos> and ty for posting the link
[19:21] <magespawn> whoops
[19:21] <magespawn> sorry
[19:21] <superfly> oh! right, then I "know" danievdm, via Google+
[19:22] <Kilos> we enjoy Jacques_Stry
[19:22] <danievdm> thanks guys... realtime may be difficult for me to keep up with ;-)
[19:22] <Jacques_Stry> danievdm: Good to see you here
[19:22] <magespawn> right Squirm
[19:22] <superfly> danievdm: I'm only really active in the evenings
[19:22] <Squirm> magespawn: it'd be the same sort of thing though
[19:22] <Jacques_Stry> NP
[19:23]  * superfly has another meeting in 8 minutes anyways, so won't be active in here much longer
[19:23] <Kilos> whats the prob danievdm  ?
[19:23] <danievdm> Now I'm setup I'll try look in again
[19:23] <Kilos> sjoe superfly  you guys meet lots
[19:23] <Kilos> be like Jacques_Stry  danievdm  he lives here
[19:23] <Kilos> same as me
[19:24] <danievdm> I live thin across many places ;-)
[19:24] <Kilos> lol
[19:31] <Kilos> inetpro  waars jy nou
[19:32] <inetpro> hmm... here somewhere
[19:32] <Kilos> haha
[19:32]  * inetpro gone to look for him
[19:32] <Jacques_Stry> >.<
[19:33] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  now you see why he borrows my email addy
[19:35]  * inetpro found him
[19:35] <magespawn> only every now and then
[19:35] <inetpro> but he says he can't concentrate on multiple things
[19:36] <inetpro> Kilos: what's up doc?
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <Kilos> all good and you inetpro
[19:36] <Squirm> an IT guy, not being able to multitask?
[19:36] <Squirm> Oh dear
[19:36] <Kilos> i forget what i needed help with
[19:36] <inetpro> ai!
[19:36] <Kilos> you killed my opera
[19:36] <Jacques_Stry> Makes 2 of us, I can't multi-task at all
[19:37] <inetpro> Kilos: uninstall it and install the fox
[19:37] <Kilos> no man its working
[19:37] <Kilos> just crashed with that ctrl+F
[19:38] <Kilos> i can multitask
[19:38] <Kilos> i can read messages here and reply to them
[19:38] <Kilos> sometimes
[19:40] <magespawn> man, vista has to be the most useless os on the planet
[19:40] <Kilos> lol
[19:41]  * magespawn busy trying to wrangle chrome onto vista
[19:41] <Jacques_Stry> haha does Vista still exist?
[19:41] <Jacques_Stry> Been more that a year since working on it
[19:41] <inetpro> magespawn: yikes!
[19:41] <Jacques_Stry> than*
[19:42] <magespawn> i still do work on xp
[19:45] <Kilos> is south korea the good peeps
[19:45] <Kilos> thats where cantide went isnt it
[19:45] <Jacques_Stry> Yea south is the good side
[19:46] <Kilos> good im helping them get locos going or revived
[19:46] <kulelu88> that's relative Kilos . You can't say either side is good or bad
[19:46] <Kilos> sigh
[19:46] <Kilos> another how long is a piece of string guy
[19:47] <kulelu88> oom you can sigh as much as you like, but you politics isn't as simple as good or bad
[19:47] <Kilos> lol
[19:47] <kulelu88> *but geo-politics
[19:48] <Kilos> well im helping them anyway
[19:48] <Kilos> if they are buntu peeps with good manners then thats ok by me
[19:49] <kulelu88> still strange how you categorize them. if south is good, do you view north koreans as bad?
[19:49] <Kilos> im just going by the wests idea that north are the bad guys
[19:50] <kulelu88> aah okay.
[19:50] <Kilos> and i chat to okes in berling and uruguy
[19:51] <Kilos> making the world take notice of our little island
[19:55] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:56] <Kilos> Maaz  hmm...
[19:56] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[19:56] <inetpro> Kilos: he's gone again
[19:56] <Jacques_Stry> Well North Korea's diplomatic system is generaly frowned upon, not to mention the face that inhabitants don't have access to the internet, only an intranet network that is heavily censored - effectively cutting them of from the world and making it impossible to communicate with them. So when I say bad Korea I'm not talking about the inhabitants.
[19:57] <Jacques_Stry> Sorry - just had to rant that
[19:57] <Kilos> lol
[19:57] <kulelu88> it's not a rant though. you're providing some decent arguments
[19:57] <Kilos> ai! imagine losing yourself within yourself
[19:58] <Jacques_Stry> Their way of governing the country goes against everything that an open community fights for
[19:58] <Kilos> inetpro  look in a mirror
[19:59] <kulelu88> Jacques_Stry: which countries would you say are governed more openly?
[19:59] <Kilos> ek sukkel met my volk partykeer man
[20:00] <inetpro> Kilos: good idea
[20:00]  * inetpro goes to find his self in the bathroom
[20:00] <Jacques_Stry> None are governed openly, but the democratic system at least gives us more breathing room.
[20:01] <kulelu88> Some say that an open government is determined by the level of respect for private property laws. Or that could be an Anglo idea
[20:01] <Kilos> lol
[20:01] <Jacques_Stry> And I don't think a total open system is healthy too - too much transparency causes people to divide into opposing factions
[20:02] <kulelu88> agreed
[20:03] <Jacques_Stry> But enough political talk - usually not a good idea
[20:03] <Kilos> ya
[20:03] <kulelu88> Jacques_Stry: if you see the type of political discussions on local SA sites, I think our discussion for 10 minutes was more valuable
[20:03] <inetpro> politics, eish... no, no, no
[20:04] <Jacques_Stry> :)
[20:04] <Kilos> normally ubuntu users have a better outlook on things
[20:04] <kulelu88> politics is everywhere oom. that's why systemd exists :D
[20:04] <Jacques_Stry> Well played
[20:04] <Kilos> i still want to try that
[20:05] <Kilos> is it faster
[20:05] <kulelu88> >archlinux
[20:05] <kulelu88> only on boot times
[20:05] <inetpro> only infrequent rants about eskom are alowed here :-)
[20:05] <Kilos> lol
[20:06] <inetpro> everything is eskom's fault
[20:06]  * Kilos agrees
[20:06] <inetpro> oops... how do I delete that?
[20:06] <Kilos> and vodacom
[20:06] <kulelu88> inetpro: can't we blame oom Jan V. reibeeck also?
[20:06] <inetpro> ai!
[20:07] <Jacques_Stry> Well the Final Beta of 15.04 that launches tomorrow comes with systemd
[20:07] <Jacques_Stry> Looking forward to try out
[20:07] <Kilos> if it is only a boot then then why the hype about it
[20:07] <Kilos> thing
[20:08] <Kilos> inetpro  ty for doingtopic bar and report so quick
[20:08] <Jacques_Stry> Well the improvement may in the boot process - but doesn't it stay in memory?
[20:09] <Kilos> ?
[20:10] <Jacques_Stry> so being able to handle more concurrent processes more efficiently means processed start faster
[20:10] <Kilos> im so happy with 14.04 kde that who cares
[20:10] <kulelu88> Kilos: the problem is the far-reaching ideas behind it. It wants to do "everything"
[20:11] <Kilos> kulelu88  the peeps that dev ubuntu are clever, they must have some plan in mind
[20:11] <Kilos> same with unity
[20:11] <Jacques_Stry> not sure about the new unity being tested out
[20:11] <Kilos> most gnome2 users didnt like unity but new users love it
[20:12] <Jacques_Stry> that touch interface shouldn't come near my screen
[20:12] <Kilos> wb inetpro
[20:12] <Jacques_Stry> True, I hated unity at first but in the end I love it now
[20:13] <Kilos> i even have 12.04 as a pc repair stick
[20:13] <inetpro> oops!
[20:13] <inetpro> who ate my cheese?
[20:14] <Kilos> lol
[20:14] <Jacques_Stry> One thing I don't understand is why on ubuntu desktop is swappiness set to 60 at default?
[20:14] <Kilos> i ried changing it once
[20:15] <Kilos> seems 60% is the best compromise
[20:15] <kulelu88> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd
[20:15] <Kilos> trie
[20:15] <kulelu88> ubuntu isn't very unique. it's just 1 big fork of debian
[20:15] <Jacques_Stry> Nooooo.... on my laptop 60 is terrible - 10% everything is snappy and responsive
[20:16] <Kilos> ah
[20:16] <Kilos> thats why you can change it
[20:16] <Kilos> maybe i must try it here
[20:16] <Jacques_Stry> on my desktop it doesn't really matter - have a SSD and 16gb of RAM
[20:16] <Kilos> whew must fly
[20:17] <kulelu88> running a horse Jacques_Stry
[20:17] <Jacques_Stry> Yea - but my laptop is a bit old 4gb RAM and normal HDD
[20:18] <Kilos> sjoe he is really lost
[20:19] <Jacques_Stry> The thing is I can understand on servers - they go for maximum efficiency so 60% makes sens - but on desktop you want responsiveness, we don't care if we have to wait 3 sec's more to compress that file
[20:20] <Kilos> again inetpro
[20:20] <Kilos> wat maak jy
[20:20] <Kilos> wat doen jy
[20:20] <Kilos> wat breek jy
[20:20] <kulelu88> Kilos: leave him, he is building a house in minetest
[20:20] <Kilos> lol
[20:21] <Kilos> he has one
[20:21] <Kilos> quite lekker too
[20:21] <Kilos> made me tunnel zig zag for miles to get him power
[20:21] <inetpro> it crashed
[20:22] <Kilos> Maaz  it
[20:22] <Maaz> Kilos: it is Saturday
[20:22] <Kilos> lol
[20:24] <Jacques_Stry> Maaz: The cake is a lie
[20:24] <Maaz> Jacques_Stry: One learns a new thing every day
[20:24] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  you didnt see the lekker cakes maia made
[20:24] <Jacques_Stry> lol
[20:25] <Kilos> you shoulda come here long ago man
[20:25] <Kilos> ubuntu cakes for release parties
[20:25] <Jacques_Stry> O.O
[20:26] <Kilos> inetpro  can you type in ctrl+f and find them pics
[20:26] <hibana> Kilos: I found him
[20:26] <Kilos> wb hibana
[20:26] <inetpro> yay!
[20:26] <Kilos> hibana  where was he lurking
[20:27] <hibana> let's see whether he will behave now
[20:27] <Kilos> threaten him with the sjambok
[20:27]  * inetpro got hired to watch over him
[20:27] <Kilos> lol
[20:28] <Kilos> twit
[20:28] <inetpro> oops... the other one
[20:28] <inetpro> you see Kilos, even I get confused
[20:28] <Kilos> inetpro  find those pics of maia's cakes man
[20:28] <inetpro> hmm..
[20:29] <Kilos> what you mean even you, you are always confused
[20:29] <inetpro> oh
[20:29] <inetpro> sorry oom
[20:29]  * inetpro forgot
[20:29] <Kilos> np lol
[20:31] <stickyboy> Kilos: `find ~/Pictures -type f -iname "*cake*"`
[20:31] <stickyboy> aka Ctrl-F. :P
[20:31] <Kilos> i have a new os since then
[20:31] <Kilos> and a zeroed drive
[20:31] <stickyboy> Wait, clean install?
[20:32] <Kilos> ya , zeroed wrong drive
[20:36] <Kilos> kulelu88  that systemd looks like a good thing
[20:37] <Kilos> all the new distros are using it
[20:38] <inetpro> eish Kilos, don't mention that word out loud
[20:38] <Kilos> what word?
[20:39] <inetpro> that syste.... thing
[20:39] <Kilos> why?
[20:40] <inetpro> one of the most controversial projects in Linux-land
[20:40] <Kilos> lol
[20:41] <Kilos> it will be good, i have faith in the top guys decisions'
[20:41] <inetpro> it’s not Unix-like
[20:41] <Kilos> but still linux right?
[20:43] <inetpro> it goes against the *nix philosophy of "do one thing and do it well."
[20:43] <Kilos> oh
[20:44] <Kilos> well we cant stop it so go with the flow
[20:44] <Kilos> oh
[20:44] <kulelu88> it is being stopped
[20:44] <kulelu88> Debian lost a few technical community members
[20:44] <Kilos> you mean its like the win registry
[20:45] <kulelu88> even if systemd turns out to be "awesome!", the way they are muscling it in is the other issue
[20:45] <inetpro> kulelu88: it is being stopped? Really?
[20:46] <kulelu88> bad wording choice.
[20:46] <kulelu88> but people are standing against it
[20:46] <kulelu88> poettering and his ilk must first go back and fix pulseaudio before trying new things
[20:46] <inetpro> oh ya, now that is an understatement
[20:47] <superfly> don't get me started on pulseaudio
[20:47] <superfly> pulseaudio is a solution looking for a problem
[20:47] <Kilos> lol
[20:47] <Kilos> night all of you, sleep tight
[20:47] <inetpro> good night Kilos
[20:47] <Jacques_Stry> Night
[20:48] <kulelu88> Just like how the pro-support guys think the whole systemd is bad, no it isn't. A single logging system for errors, etc. IS a good idea
[20:48] <magespawn> good night all
[20:50]  * superfly thought that's what syslog was about
[20:53] <kulelu88> superfly: I'm trying to learn as much as I can about it to not be a "blind" supporter of either side
[20:54] <superfly> kulelu88: I'm running Debian unstable, so as far as I know I'm already using systemd
[20:54] <superfly> yep
[20:55] <inetpro> superfly: there is also rsyslog
[20:55] <inetpro> and syslog-ng
[20:56] <superfly> right, but my point is that they are there already
[20:57] <Jacques_Stry> Night all
[20:57] <inetpro> at some point it all gets very grey
[20:57] <inetpro> gnight Jacques_Stry
[20:58] <inetpro> my hope is just that freedom will prevail
[21:03] <stickyboy> inetpro: It does get grey... indeed.
[21:03] <stickyboy> I like the unit files for system servies.
[21:04] <stickyboy> s/servies/services/
[21:04] <stickyboy> kulelu88: Meh. Pulseaudio works for me on every system I've ever used.
[21:04] <stickyboy> I just play music, though. No funny shit.
[21:04] <stickyboy> No flash plugins or weird alsa wrappers.
[21:05] <kulelu88> stickyboy: are all your systems Debian derivatives?
[21:05] <inetpro> I'm afraid, with closed binary systems, things get so bulky and complicated that we all end up loosing in the long run
[21:06] <inetpro> less and less people will be available to figure out how it all fits together
[21:06] <stickyboy> kulelu88: Nope.
[21:06] <stickyboy> kulelu88: I'm mostly Arch and Fedora.
[21:07] <stickyboy> Only Debian derivatives on the server. :D
[21:10] <kulelu88> inetpro: and that is how windows will be born from the ashes of great titans known as debian
[21:10] <inetpro> kulelu88: interesting old article:  rsyslog vs. systemd journal?  http://blog.gerhards.net/2013/05/rsyslog-vs-systemd-journal.html
[21:15] <inetpro> welcome back psydroid
[21:15] <psydroid> thank you inetpro
[21:16] <psydroid> I went to the DevOps meetup here in Dublin
[21:18] <inetpro> nice!
[21:18] <inetpro> sounds interesting
[21:18] <kulelu88> do you have the accent yet? psydroid
[21:19] <psydroid> kulelu88, no and I never will, I guess
[21:20] <psydroid> I have a dutch accent, but I am sure my english is much more intelligible than the irish'
[21:21] <kulelu88> :D
[21:43] <stickyboy> Ooooh Interstellar.
[21:47] <stickyboy> psydroid: You're in Dublin?
[21:47] <stickyboy> I'm talking to Google Ireleand tomorrow...
[21:47] <psydroid> stickyboy, yes, I am
[21:47] <psydroid> cool
[21:47] <psydroid> and good luck
[21:48] <stickyboy> psydroid: How's the weather up there?
[21:48] <stickyboy> I'm in Nairobi and woooo it's freakin' hot.
[21:49] <psydroid> stickyboy, it's not great, it rains a lot over here and it's never really warm or a5nything either
[21:49] <psydroid> anything*
[21:49] <psydroid> but probably good for getting work done
[21:50] <stickyboy> Rain, crap.
[21:50] <stickyboy> Rain is good, it washes my car. :D
[21:51] <psydroid> :D
[21:52] <stickyboy> psydroid: How long have you been in Dublin?
[21:52] <psydroid> stickyboy, for 4 months now
[21:53] <stickyboy> psydroid: Cool
[21:53] <stickyboy> Is there good public transit there?
[21:54] <stickyboy> Never been to Ireland...
[21:54] <psydroid> it depends what you consider good
[21:54] <stickyboy> psydroid: :P
[21:54] <psydroid> where are you now?
[21:54] <stickyboy> Well, I've been in Nairobi for 7 years. :P
[21:54] <psydroid> :D
[21:54] <psydroid> but where are you from?
[21:54] <stickyboy> I'm from California, where everyone drives.
[21:54] <stickyboy> Public transit is only for homeless people.
[21:55] <psydroid> I'd lived in the Netherlands for my whole life until I moved to Poland and now I'm in Ireland
[21:55] <stickyboy> Unless you're in San Francisco or something.
[21:55] <psydroid> oh, it's much better here in Dublin then
[21:55] <stickyboy> Poland, nice.
[21:56] <stickyboy> I've been to Eastern Europe a few times. Love it!
[21:56] <psydroid> Poland has better infrastructure than Ireland
[21:56] <kulelu88> stickyboy: what are you doing in Kenya?
[21:56] <psydroid> but all tech companies are here now
[21:57] <psydroid> I am actually going to Poland next month to visit my friends and after that to Berlin before coming back to Dublin
[21:59] <stickyboy> kulelu88: I'm a Linux systems admin. Storage and infrastructure stuff.
[21:59] <stickyboy> psydroid: Nice, I was in Berlin a few months ago. Very nice place. I wouldn't mind living there but there are a lot of people who wouldn't mind that!
[22:00] <kulelu88> the salary discrepancy must be mountains apart. AFAIK, if you work in SF in tech, you earn on average 100K
[22:00] <stickyboy> kulelu88: It's not bad. I've been in this job for 5 years and I am doing well.
[22:01] <kulelu88> how do you travel so much? stickyboy
[22:01] <stickyboy> And in SF you're just another rat in the rat race; here I'm at least a bit special.
[22:01] <stickyboy> kulelu88: Conferences, friends, vacation, etc... you just get around. :D
[22:02] <psydroid_> stickyboy, yeah, a friend of mine would love to live there too, but I'm not sure I would want to :D
[22:02] <kulelu88> rat in the rat race?
[22:03] <stickyboy> kulelu88: Yes, it's an expression...
[22:03] <stickyboy> Even if you WIN the rat race you're still just a rat.
[22:03] <kulelu88> lol I understand it
[22:03] <kulelu88> but I didn't know it was that "capitalist" in SF. aren't they more social-leaning?
[22:04] <stickyboy> kulelu88: Not about capitalism... just... too many tech people, too many meh. How do you stand out there? Everyone is better than you.
[22:05] <stickyboy> I'm from California, but I don't want to go back there.
[22:05] <kulelu88> so it's narcissistic ?
[22:05] <stickyboy> There's too much awesome stuff to see...
[22:05] <stickyboy> kulelu88: Hmm, no. millions of programmers and nerds, all with the same or better experience as you.
[22:06] <stickyboy> In Nairobi I am one of the best. It's a smaller pool.
[22:06] <stickyboy> It's not about capitalism or narcissim...
[22:06] <kulelu88> stickyboy: can you explain where silicon valley is?
[22:06] <stickyboy> And here, I can take a bus to Tanzania in 5 hours... :D
[22:07] <stickyboy> kulelu88: Yeah, Silicon Valley is San Francisco on the North, San Jose / Cupertino on the South, San Ramon and Livermore on the East.
[22:07] <stickyboy> Silicon Valley is more or less in "the Bay Area".
[22:08] <psydroid_> stickyboy, I don't hang out much with nerds, I usually feel they are socially awkward as all they talk about is development or IT stuff
[22:08] <kulelu88> so the big tech industry is basically in san francisco?
[22:08] <stickyboy> kulelu88: Nah, that's just where all the hipster startups are.
[22:08] <kulelu88> why are things so expensive in that area ?
[22:09] <stickyboy> Supply and demand?
[22:09] <psydroid_> same here in Dublin
[22:09] <kulelu88> too many people too little housing?
[22:09] <stickyboy> kulelu88: Yeah
[22:09] <psydroid_> include incompetence
[22:10] <kulelu88> if you were earning $120k pa in USA, are you a top income earner? stickyboy
[22:10] <stickyboy> kulelu88: That's damn good salary.
[22:10] <stickyboy> There's 30%+ tax on that though. ;)
[22:11] <kulelu88> still 90K take-home
[22:11] <stickyboy> kulelu88: I don't care much for big salary. I want to do a job I enjoy and have modest life style.
[22:11] <stickyboy> I was making 60K like 8 years ago and I was happy as a clam.
[22:12] <kulelu88> you earn more now? stickyboy
[22:12] <psydroid_> too demanding job and no life?
[22:12] <kulelu88> Nairobi wages must be lower
[22:12] <kulelu88> way lower
[22:13] <stickyboy> Nairobi wages are lower, but I am in an International Position.
[22:13] <stickyboy> I do very well...
[22:13] <kulelu88> remote work?
[22:13] <stickyboy> kulelu88: Nope, I work at an NGO in Nairobi. In research.
[22:14] <kulelu88> cool :)
[22:14] <psydroid_> it's the best situation actually
[22:15] <psydroid_> wb inetpro
[22:15] <stickyboy> psydroid_: Science is awesome. :D
[22:15] <kulelu88> choosing a higher salary vs a better life is a life-long battle :D
[22:16] <psydroid_> stickyboy, I know, I was once a physics student ... :D
[22:16] <inetpro> thanks psydroid_
[22:17] <psydroid_> kulelu88, I don't have a significantly higher quality of life here in Ireland than I had in Poland, it must be similar for stickyboy
[22:18] <stickyboy> psydroid_: Physics is amazing... "All science is either Physics or stamp collecting"
[22:18] <stickyboy> Sadly I'm working with genome sequencing. :P
[22:18] <psydroid_> I only came here to acquire more knowledge and develop my skills
[22:18] <psydroid_> sadly ...
[22:18] <psydroid_> :D
[22:18] <kulelu88> how old are you? psydroid_
[22:18] <psydroid_> kulelu88, I am 35
[22:19] <kulelu88> I thought you were in your 20s
[22:19] <psydroid_> no, definitely not
[22:19] <psydroid_> I only look and sound as if I am in my 20s
[22:37] <hibana> hmm...
[22:47] <kulelu88> stickyboy: how hot is hot in kenya right now?
[22:51] <stickyboy> kulelu88: Crap. I dunno how hot it is but it's 2am and I gotsa ta go to bed.
[22:51] <kulelu88> tc stickyboy


[20:41] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Looks like, from a seed standpoint, pulseaudio and pipewire-pulse are no longer co-installable as pipewire-pulse now pulls-in pipewire-alsa as a recommends which "Breaks: pulseaudio".
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> I've tried everything I can to blacklist it to no avail.
[21:51] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: don't worry about PA then
[21:52] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: controls will still have a pa-jack mode but it just won't work ubuntu
[21:52] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: It also won't work on Debian because that's where the change came from.
[21:53] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I understand, probably not lots of other places too.
[21:53] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer:  but it will work with places with no PW
[22:33] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Never did figure out a Jack-PW bridge?
[22:34] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I want it to just work in either pulse/jack or pipewire modes first.
[22:35] <OvenWerks> It seems I am way behind :P
[22:35] <Eickmeyer> That's fine. I've got the pipewire mode figured out, it'll be the default in lunar.
[22:36] <OvenWerks> my guess is that those who are diehard jackd users are not using ubuntu anyway
[22:36] <Eickmeyer> Switching off pipewire and starting native Jack is fairly easy.
[22:36] <OvenWerks> (or pulse)
[22:36] <OvenWerks> yes
[22:37] <OvenWerks> I can do that here
[22:37] <OvenWerks> no reboot required
[22:38] <OvenWerks> I am using the ALSA fw stack right now though. switching to ffado still requires reboot
[22:38] <Eickmeyer> Yep
[22:41] <OvenWerks> I am the designated cabbie today. I have three people working at different times  :P My youngest being on his second weekend of work.
[22:42] <OvenWerks> So I pick my Yf up at 3 then my son at 5... same place though. The other son is doing the bus
[22:51] <Eickmeyer> Oh fun! Yeah, I've done that!
[23:49] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: filed Debian bug 1029377
[23:49] -ubottu:#ubuntustudio-devel- Debian bug 1029377 in pipewire-pulse "pipewire-pulse: Please remove Recommends: pipewire-alsa" [Important, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1029377
[23:49] <Eickmeyer> Hopefully that will get this sorted.


[09:31] <kynes> hi, I would like to ask a question about thin clients
[09:33] <kynes> we would like to set up a thin client environment, where we would be able to send programming assignments to the thin clients from our server
[09:33] <kynes> compile the programs in the thin client and then evaluate the programs in the server
[09:34] <kynes> is there a ready solution to do this?
[20:44] <Ahmuck> interesting.  i have 5 ltsp clients and 1 windows xp computer in the lab
[20:44] <Ahmuck> given the choice, everybody will try to use the windows xp computer
[20:44]  * Ahmuck ponders on how to change this
[20:44] <ogra> remove the mouse
[20:49] <alkisg> or put a crt screen on it instead of a tft one :P
[20:55] <ogra> and indeed turn it to 50Hz
[21:07] <Ahmuck> heh, it's got a crt on it :)
[22:14] <Lns> LOL
[22:14] <Lns> Ahmuck: the question is, *why* do they want the windows computer?
[22:17] <Lns> The comments here make me sad, as you're focusing on trying to force people into using something they don't want to use. Sounds familiar....
[22:25] <alkisg> Lns, they were supposed to be jokes, not actual advice...
[22:29] <Lns> :)
[22:29] <Lns> I'd still like to know why the students want to use the XP box
[22:30] <alkisg> (1) because they're used to the environment, and (2) because it has a better wallpaper :P
[22:30] <alkisg> (at least that's what my students would say :))
[22:31] <alkisg> gn everyone.
[22:46] <Lns> haha
[22:46] <Lns> well yeah, i'd expect "they're used to it"
[22:47] <Lns> you can transfer the wallpaper, and re: used to it, I'd think that if you educate them (in their context with what they're interested in), as we all know, Linux has equiv/better answers to what they want anyway (IM, music, bittorrent, etc)
[22:47] <Lns> That'll give them the want to use linux instead of the forcing of them ;)
[22:53] <ogra> you could put a nailboard on the seat at the windows machine
[22:53] <Lns> you could also make sure a virus is always on it
[22:54] <Lns> or set a scheduled task to shut it down every x minutes
[22:54] <Lns> or just leave it on exposed to the internet with internet explorer visiting random sites, it's bound to get as slow as molasses after about 2 minutes
[22:55]  * Lns gets the visual of a naked hooker running down new york streets at 2:05am on saturday
[23:13] <Ahmuck> Lns: actually, nope
[23:13] <Ahmuck> i don't force anybody
[23:13] <Ahmuck> Lns, i too would like to know why
[23:14] <Lns> Ahmuck: why not ask them?
[23:14] <Ahmuck> i need to reconfigure the desktop so that it is more windows like.  ie, the application bar on the bottom
[23:14] <Ahmuck> etc.
[23:14] <Lns> ick
[23:14] <Ahmuck> Lns: in this particular case, it's because it's what they are familiar with
[23:14] <Ahmuck> ie, the large blue E
[23:14] <Ahmuck> vs the globe and fox
[23:14] <Lns> you'd be surprised how motivated people are to learn new things with a little education
[23:15] <Ahmuck> sure, and we do that.  but you'd also be suprised at how people are loyal to bad products.  look at how loyal people are to thier cars
[23:15] <Ahmuck> chevy vs ford
[23:15] <Ahmuck> etc.
[23:15] <Ahmuck> it's what they know
[23:16] <Ahmuck> does edubuntu have a point list of why it's better?
[23:16] <Lns> haha...very true
[23:16] <Ahmuck> for example, let's take scribus.  i've learned it, and it works well
[23:16] <Lns> http://www.google.com/search?q=edubuntu+vs+windows&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[23:17] <Ahmuck> however my printer won't even look at it, thought he could upload my layout and print without having me to pdf it out and then bringing it in indesign and laying the page order out again
[23:17] <Ahmuck> and the last visit, he strongly suggested i pay out 800.00 to get indesign
[23:17] <Ahmuck> either i'm a bad salesman or people like to go with the flow
[23:18] <Lns> why won't it print?
[23:18] <Lns> do other apps print to it?
[23:23] <Lns> I always liked Scribus.. great program
[23:26] <Ahmuck> it will print.  my printer doesn't want to install it or use it
[23:27] <Ahmuck> Lns: our school allows students to bring mp3 players to school to listen to
[23:28] <Ahmuck> ie, they allow a fair amount of freedom
[23:28] <Lns> Ahmuck: OH. Printer, as in a person, not a printer
[23:29] <Ahmuck> yes
[23:29] <Lns> Give em a liveCD. ;)
[23:29] <Ahmuck> heh, doubt that would work.  though a usb key with a live distro might work
[23:29] <Lns> so what's the issue with mp3 players? that linux doesn't have itunes?
[23:30] <Ahmuck> actually that's not been approched yet
[23:33] <Lns> so what's the issue?
[23:36] <Ahmuck> i'll ask
[23:37] <Ahmuck> so you think were forcing ubuntu on people?
[23:37] <Lns> lol, no
[23:38] <Lns> you mentioned you wanted to change peoples' wanting to use the winxp computer
[23:38] <Ahmuck> [16:17] <Lns> The comments here make me sad, as you're focusing on trying to force people into using something they don't want to use. Sounds familiar....
[23:38] <Lns> and ogra & alkisg were talking about ways to sabotage it... ;)
[23:38] <Ahmuck> ah
[23:38] <Ahmuck> well, i don't consider it secure
[23:38] <Ahmuck> it's getting wiped soon
[23:38] <Ahmuck> re-freshed so to speak
[23:39] <Lns> heh, nice term!