[18:23] <_sisu_> i guess the keyb combination is the same anyways
[18:23] <_sisu_> i like lubuntu
[18:24] <_sisu_> LXDE seems to be lightweight and at the same time nice, no bullshit like amazon etc... in the desktop
[18:24] <zykotick9> _sisu_: fyi, in virtual terminals, you can also use alt+(LorR)arrows to switch
[18:24] <_sisu_> zykotick9, didnt know thanks for the advice buddy
[18:24] <kalen_> the alt key is magic
[18:24] <wiggmpk> Burritoh: hey I have to get going.. I didnt see HelloWorld leave the channel, but that should of fixed his dependencies issues.
[18:25] <BlueEagle> _sisu_: Yeah. That is a generic kernel feature. In the old days when I compiled my own kernels I always limited the amount of terminals to 3 to save memory.. That was when I needed to save memory. :)
[18:25] <HelloWorld> I have steam problem i386 wrong architecture. so I went to software update it gives me this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1672639/
[18:26] <zykotick9> BlueEagle: lol, my VTs go to 11
[18:26] <HelloWorld> anyone resolved the issue ?
[18:26] <wiggmpk> HelloWorld: did you try what I told you?
[18:27] <HelloWorld> trying it now... lemme seee
[18:27]  * zykotick9 notices a trend, of #ubuntu becoming steam support ;)
[18:27] <wiggmpk> HelloWorld: "sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386" in a terminal, then run "sudo apt-get update" in a terminal, then run "sudo apt-get install steam64"
[18:27] <_sisu_> BlueEagle, and even today saving memory is worth... i dont like to waste resources either :P
[18:27] <HelloWorld> till march 1 plz get me the penguin. I rly like ubuntu, but steam not working right now XD
[18:27] <kalen_> Speaking of Steam, I have a question!
[18:28] <kalen_> actually I already figured it out, can't install games on an NTFS drive
[18:28] <yeats> !steam
[18:28] <BlueEagle> _sisu_: We're moving !ot, but I do believe that indicates you don't use Gnome nor KDE. :)
[18:29] <BlueEagle> kalen_: Why can you not install games on an NTFS partition? If you mount it with executable by default you should be OK, should you not?
[18:30] <BlueEagle> kalen_: Although since the FS driver is in userspace you most likely will take a performance hit on NTFS.
[18:30] <kalen_> BlueEagle: Can you? I found an Ubuntu thread that said it should be ext4 to work
[18:30] <kalen_> I was getting prepared to shrink it. It's my secondary hard drive so it has some space to be two partitions
[18:30] <aguitel> how install libreoffice 4.0 in 12.04 ?
[18:31] <ThinkT510> aguitel: why do you need it?
[18:31] <roothorick> aguitel: if you care that much, why not upgrade to 12.10 while you're at it
[18:31] <BlueEagle> kalen_: I have not tried, so I do not know for certain, but my theory is that Steam in and of itself is mostly a launcher that launces other executables. If you have games installed on an NTFS partition then Steam needs to be able to execute binaries on said partition.
[18:31] <aguitel> ThinkT510, only to try
[18:32] <ThinkT510> aguitel: then best stick to whats in the repo
[18:32] <BlueEagle> aguitel: If it is not in the back port then you may need to install it from source.
[18:32] <aguitel> ThinkT510, what repo
[18:32] <ThinkT510> !repo | aguitel
[18:32] <kalen_> BlueEagle: Yeah that's basically what it is. It downloads and installs games for you. Like you said though, there might be a performance hit. Not that many of the games for Linux require a powerhouse PC...
[18:32] <Ronalds_M> libre office after the stable release seems to not work fine on ubuntu, not recommend..
[18:33] <_sisu_> BlueEagle,  im more a embedding device engineer
[18:33] <_sisu_> so for me saving memory is important :)
[18:33] <_sisu_> memory and resources in general
[18:34] <ThinkT510> Ronalds_M: were you having problems in 12.10?
[18:34] <BlueEagle> _sisu_: Yeah, I don't bed my devices, and if I did I sure as h*ll wouldn't want to remember it. </jk>
[18:35] <roothorick> I had Steam on my laptop for a while. I ultimately gave up on it when I found my laptop was too slow for pretty much my entire library :/
[18:35] <kalen_> roothorick: an old laptop I assume?
[18:35] <kalen_> roothorick: although some of those indie games have pretty low requirements
[18:35] <roothorick> kalen_: not too old. Turion 64 X2 2.0Ghz / GeForce 6150
[18:36] <BlueEagle> kalen_: Generic steam launcher or run through wine?
[18:36] <roothorick> kalen_: when Aquaria ran so slow it took half a minute just to quit, I just gave up
[18:36] <roothorick> kalen_: newer nV drivers have NOT been nice to older GPUs, and nouveau is still a bit... half-baked, although ironically gnome-shell seems to like nouveau better
[18:36] <kalen_> roothorick: huh, that's surprising. Aquaria didn't look too heavy duty
[18:36] <BlueEagle> roothorick: Above question was for you. Generic steam or through wine?
[18:36] <HelloWorld> ty all so much for resolving the issue
[18:37] <roothorick> BlueEagle: native Steam, via the deb
[18:37] <kalen_> roothorick: oh yeah, maybe that's it... I have a 560m so the nvidia drivers are great :)
[18:37] <patyh> shorewall isn't working for me..
[18:37] <kalen_> BlueEagle: i'm using the Linux steam client downloaded from their site
[18:37] <Ronalds_M> ThinkT510, probably cause I used xodgers ppa
[18:37] <roothorick> kalen_: I'm running nouveau now, had to manually inject a 3.8 kernel, and while most games crash, gnome-shell and Flash seem to actually be FASTER
[18:37] <Ronalds_M> but openoffice with green splash is bad
[18:38] <ThinkT510> Ronalds_M: ppas do tend to make systems unstable
[18:38] <patyh> anyone got any alternative for my problem??
[18:38] <roothorick> ThinkT510: *CERTAIN* PPAs. x-updates is generally safe. xorg-edgers has felled many a mortal man.
[18:38] <ThinkT510> Ronalds_M: libreoffice's splash screen is green by default on 12.10
[18:39] <BlueEagle> patyh: Nope. I do Shorewall and I do it in an (almost) identical fashion, so it is possible to make it work. Does require some reading though.
[18:39] <roothorick> I just noticed I don't have libreoffice installed :/ ubuntu-gnome is really minimal apparently
[18:40] <roothorick> no firefox, no libreoffice, just base system and gnome
[18:40] <_sisu_> this is not a direct question: what is the accuracy in clock time that linux can give me ? i have heard it is about 10 ms
[18:40] <kalen_> roothorick: uuuuuuuuuuuunnity
[18:40] <ClientAlive> a tutorial I'm following instructs the followning.  Is it safe??
[18:40] <ClientAlive> Now we can start the installation of the Oracle 10g archive.
[18:40] <ClientAlive> Allow others users to connect to your X session, by entering in a bash shell:
[18:40] <ikonia> roothorick: try ubuntu-desktop
[18:40] <kalen_> roothorick: why aren't you united?!
[18:40] <ClientAlive> 	xhost +
[18:40] <BlueEagle> _sisu_: It depends on the architecture you run upon.
[18:40] <roothorick> _sisu_: depends on your hardware
[18:40] <escott> _sisu_, there are a number of different clocks on your system
[18:40] <Shipoopi> sup fools
[18:40] <kalen_> FOO
[18:41] <ikonia> Shipoopi: try a polite greating
[18:41] <ikonia> greeting
[18:41] <kalen_> singular greeting?
[18:41] <roothorick> kalen_: silence, heathen! GNOME 3 is the One True Desktop Environment!
[18:41] <_sisu_> i know but i have heard that
[18:41] <kalen_> and salutation
[18:41] <patyh> Imma try the webmin route
[18:41] <BlueEagle> ikonia: He was asking if anyone had any "soup for owls".  Unity almost matches Gnome 3!
[18:41]  * xauth presents xauth.
[18:42] <ikonia> xauth: don't need a commentary
[18:42] <patyh> which is why I'm not talking about that here
[18:42] <BlueEagle> _sisu_: It depends on the architecture of the laptop, the source used to obtain clock and so on.
[18:42] <roothorick> kalen_: in my true, honest opinion, GNOME 3 is everything Unity wants to be but falls short of
[18:43] <_sisu_> BlueEagle, appart from that, the linux kernel itselfs introduce a "random noise"
[18:43] <escott> _sisu_, http://infiniteundo.com/post/25326999628/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-time
[18:43] <_sisu_> i would like to quantify it
[18:43] <xauth> ClientAlive: meaning: xhost may be fine if you're the only one in a protected network. Otherwise, don't use it.
[18:43] <kalen_> roothorick: I've been away from LInux for a while, I'll have to give Gnome3 a try again. I haven't taken a look since it was first released. I hear it's had some well-received updates since
[18:43] <GeekSquid> _sisu_: network latency will cause a little more than 10ms just to check the time, not sure of your application, you can buy an external clock source that syncs to 10khz time
[18:44] <roothorick> _sisu_: hardware is so large a factor I wouldn't even consider software jitter
[18:44] <ClientAlive> xauth: ok. Do you think it would cause a problem with installation if I skip that? Or might it cause a problem when attempting to use oracle?
[18:44] <roothorick> _sisu_: and if you're running on multiple machines over a network, hah! good luck.
[18:44] <BlueEagle> _sisu_: As I understand it the kernel itself counts nano seconds.
[18:45] <BlueEagle> _sisu_: Oh, are you talking about synch to network time servers?
[18:46] <xauth> If the installation instructions tell you to use it, you need to do *something*, although xhost + is certainly overkill.
[18:46] <xauth> ClientAlive: I mean, they're not saying it for no reason.
[18:47] <_sisu_> no, BlueEagle , im talking about the accuracy of an event
[18:47]  * xauth boggles they can get X authorization so wrong after so many years.
[18:47] <_sisu_> let's say to generate a signal of 100 khz and timestamp each positive rise
[18:47] <ClientAlive> xauth: that's what I figured but when I run "xhost +" I get an error (something about No protocol specified AND xhost: unable to open display ":0").
[18:47] <xauth> ClientAlive: try xhost +localhost if you're on a single user system.
[18:48] <xauth> ClientAlive: belay that.
[18:48] <ClientAlive> xauth: ok
[18:48] <xauth> You're not running inside an X session, are you?
[18:48] <roothorick> _sisu_: generally unless the hardware does some form of timestamping, you're going to have pretty severe inaccuracy
[18:48] <escott> _sisu_, if you need to worry about this kind of accuracy you should make sure that the interrupt is assigned to a single cpu, move everything else off that cpu and run your application in a single thread on that cpu
[18:49] <roothorick> _sisu_: especially with such an insane frequency
[18:49] <ClientAlive> xauth: idk. (not familair with the ins and outs). I am the only user and my home netwrok is a trusted network, but it is a lappy and I may connect to other networks to get on the internet at times
[18:49] <escott> _sisu_, doing simple things like counting is surprisingly hard on multicore systems
[18:49] <Yoshi2889> Okay it looks like I was running on llvmpipe the whole time.
[18:49] <_sisu_> but im trying to mean is that, provided i need the most possible accuracy, i dont know if maybe i should try another kernels, such as a real time system (vxworks) or linux real time.
[18:49] <Yoshi2889> Weird though since the last time X successfully started it was running on mesa
[18:50] <_sisu_> roothorick, do you think 100 khz is insane ? come on ...
[18:50] <xauth> ClientAlive: okay. In that environment xhost looks safe. In any case, any permissions you deal out are reset when you end your X session.
[18:50] <BlueEagle> _sisu_: Are you time stamping on input from a form of oscilloscope? How do you store said timestamps?
[18:50] <escott> _sisu_, there are many different clocks on the system. also need to look at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3523442/difference-between-clock-realtime-and-clock-monotonic
[18:50] <_sisu_> something like that
[18:50] <_sisu_> timestamping yeah
[18:51] <n3hxs> Running the "First Startup Wizard" for Wine, It asks for the Wine libs. I have done some searching with Google and looked for a "lib" folder related to Wine.
[18:51]  * xauth ponders.
[18:52] <GeekSquid> _sisu_: If you can give us some idea of the application we might be able to point you in a better direction
[18:52] <Appel> Hi there, a linux newbie here. I wanted to install Ubuntu on my Acer Iconia W510, but all i can get is it to start with Windows boot manager (UEFI) crap... any idees or someone that has done it before?
[18:52] <_sisu_> the application is to try to get ns accuracy
[18:52] <xauth> ClientAlive: If the instructions tell you to use xhost, it means they expect graphic programs to be making their entry soon.
[18:52] <_sisu_> which i guess is hard
[18:52] <ClientAlive> xauth: ok. Well I think this guy is skipping a step or something and it may be what's messing me up. Would you be willing to take a peek?  http://www.makina-corpus.org/blog/howto-install-oracle-11g-ubuntu-linux-1204-precise-pangolin-64bits  <-  the Heading "Installing Oracle" (I think there is some information missing from before that heading to after that heading).
[18:52] <ThinkT510> !uefi | Appel
[18:52] <BlueEagle> _sisu_: Well, if you have really slow storage (tape) then you'll err out on that sooner or later even with intelligent buffering that don't attempt to run in real time. If you can fit stuff in RAM then you should be able to keep up with time stamps on a 100khz signal. You don't want to do real time conversion from the clock though.
[18:52]  * xauth checks the link.
[18:53] <Appel> Yea i know, tried it alot. It seems to be verry special with a Intel Atom Z760 engine...
[18:53] <ikonia> xauth: please stop with the commantary
[18:53] <Appel> cause its a 32bit win 8,
[18:53] <_sisu_> im trying to do what is called "matched filtering"
[18:54] <ClientAlive> xauth: before that heading he has me log in as oracle then he asks you to use the xhost command then he says log in as oracle again "su - oracle". So am I supposed to issue the xhost command as my user or as oracle?
[18:54] <emilio> hello
[18:54] <skyler> So, does anyone know how I can make a bootable usb on 6.06? I'm trying to upgrade to 12.04
[18:54] <ClientAlive> he dosn't say
[18:54] <_sisu_> i.e., receiving a signal and comparing it with a copy stored
[18:54] <_sisu_> the delay obtained accuracy is critical
[18:54] <kalen_> skyler: does unetbootin work?
[18:54] <Yoshi2889> skyler: Try unetbootin
[18:54] <Yoshi2889> Ugh hijack
[18:54] <kalen_> winner!
[18:54] <ThinkT510> skyler: dd the 12.04 iso to a usb stick
[18:54] <skyler> I don't know how to install unetbootin on 6.06
[18:54] <Yoshi2889> skyler: If it does not work, try either dd or "Startup Disk Creator"
[18:55] <Yoshi2889> skyler: sudo apt-get install unetbootin
[18:55] <_sisu_> so using any "non real time kernel" is a problem
[18:55] <nedR> hello i want to install ubuntu 12.10 along with my existing windows 8 partition (uefi mode).. but in the setup says that "no other operating system is detected".. I am afraid if i install my windows will be unbootable
[18:55] <skyler> not in the repos for 6.06
[18:55] <Yoshi2889> or grab it manually
[18:55] <_sisu_> but i have to deal with it if i want to use ubuntu
[18:55] <skyler> how would I do it manually?
[18:55] <BlueEagle> _sisu_: How long samples are you matching against and how many?
[18:55] <Yoshi2889> skyler: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=unetbootin
[18:55] <skyler> or how can I add a ppa on 6.06
[18:55] <_sisu_> the other choice is to go for a fpga and do all the coding in vhdl
[18:55] <roothorick> _sisu_: are you receiving the signal to be compared via audio, i.e. ALSA? Then you should be able to rely on the timecodes reported by ALSA, as long as you don't care too much about when the result is actually delivered
[18:55] <ThinkT510> Yoshi2889: don't use that site here please
[18:56] <ThinkT510> skyler: just dd it
[18:56] <_sisu_> no roothorick
[18:56] <Appel> ThinkT510: I know im a carrot in the butt, but do you think you gave give me a quick guide?
[18:56] <Yoshi2889> skyler: It's int he default repos on 12.10
[18:56] <_sisu_> that's the problem
[18:56] <xauth> Ah.
[18:56] <roothorick> _sisu_: how are you receiving your data?
[18:56] <_sisu_> im working with signal with very high bandwidth
[18:56] <_sisu_> "UWB signals"
[18:56] <roothorick> _sisu_: I mean through what API?
[18:56] <Yoshi2889> skyler: Download it, mark it as executable (properties > Permissions) and run it from a terminal
[18:56] <_sisu_> im using an external hardware for that
[18:56] <ThinkT510> Appel: i've never used a uefi system and don't plan on getting one any time soon
[18:56] <skyler> Will that mark the drive as bootable? I'm having problems booting from usb on my thinkpad t40, which is what I am trying to install 12.04 on
[18:56] <BlueEagle> ThinkT510: Is it the site in general you object to or the spesific usage of the site?
[18:56] <Yoshi2889> skyler: Yes it should
[18:56] <Appel> alright thank you
[18:57] <roothorick> _sisu_: are you using an existing driver for said hardware or writing your own?
[18:57] <_sisu_> roothorick,  you can use gnuradio for that
[18:57] <ThinkT510> BlueEagle: usage, its impolite
[18:57] <Yoshi2889> skyler: If it does not, install gparted and add the "boot" flag
[18:57] <Yoshi2889> to the USB drive
[18:57] <xauth> ClientAlive: the ./runinstaller command starts a graphic program that will want to connect to your X display.
[18:57] <_sisu_> there is an existing driver yes
[18:57] <skyler> okay, thank you Yoshi2889 and ThinkT510
[18:57] <xauth> This command must be run from the oracle account.
[18:57] <BlueEagle> ThinkT510: Even if a verbatim copy/paste of a question asked obtains desired solutions?
[18:58] <ClientAlive> xauth: ok. Do I run "xhost + local" as my user name or as oracle?
[18:58] <Appel> Gosh dident think a uefi system would be this hard to boot another os on :-<
[18:58] <ThinkT510> !google | BlueEagle
[18:58] <xauth> ClientAlive: But instead of doing "su - oracle" you can do "ssh -X oracle" and you shouldn't be needing xhost at all.
[18:58] <Yoshi2889> ThinkT510: Funny that the first result on google for "unetbootin" or "unetbootin download" returns the answer.
[18:58] <ioria> Appel: no sacrifice no glory :P
[18:58] <xauth> Eh.
[18:58] <roothorick> _sisu_: if you can't rely on the API to give you accurate time data, you're rather screwed. So just go with the values gnuradio is giving you and report a bug if you later find them to be wrong.
[18:58] <ClientAlive> xauth: perfect. Thank you
[18:58] <ThinkT510> skyler: sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdb (make sure sdb is the actual usb stick)
[18:58] <xauth> ssh -X oracle@localhost
[18:58] <Appel> guys, Use a 64bit disk of Ubuntu (32bit installer does not detect EFI) Does this mean i cant install a Linux to a uefi Intel atom z2760 drive? (win 8 32bit atm)
[18:59] <skyler> the usb stick is /dev/sda
[18:59] <xauth> Or @ wherever your oracle installation is happening.
[18:59] <Yoshi2889> ThinkT510: dd is slow if you don't use the bs parameter, it's faster if it's something like bs=32768 or something like it
[18:59] <skyler> will it work with a usb hard drive? not flash memory, but a 2.5" hdd in an enclosure
[18:59] <zykotick9> skyler: cat is a better suggestion then dd...
[18:59] <skyler> cat?
[19:00] <Yoshi2889> skyler: I would use a USB stick myself
[19:00] <roothorick> Yoshi2889: the "fastest" value for bs= depends on... so much crap. 1M is a good general rule.
[19:00] <skyler> I don't have a usb stick
[19:00] <skyler> just this hdd
[19:00] <Yoshi2889> skyler: Well, be aware that dd overwrites the entire disk
[19:00] <zykotick9> skyler: oh, if you're not creating a USB, then ignore me.
[19:00] <skyler> That's very fine
[19:00] <skyler> I am creating a bootable usb
[19:00] <roothorick> skyler: you can boot from a USB HDD, sure
[19:00] <GeekSquid> Appel: you should be able to go into your bios and make it so ubuntu can see a bios
[19:00] <Yoshi2889> Thinking of it I have to fix the microsd card dd crapped up for me
[19:01] <Appel> All i can change is Secure boot, and boot order... And that dosent seem to help. (trying with a usb)
[19:01] <BlueEagle> ThinkT510: If the question does require that you use other key words than what is posed in the question, then I will agree with you. But for the question of "how do I increase the wubi virtual disk?", when copied verbatim into Google does give the desired solution. Then I do not find it impolite to refer the user to a list of google hits with a suggestion of how to obtain said hits.
[19:01] <_sisu_> roothorick,  the think is that i can generate inside gnuradio
[19:01] <_sisu_> a signal
[19:01] <xauth> ClientAlive: congratulations for your suspicion of xhost +. well spotted.
[19:01] <_sisu_> it will rely on linux
[19:01] <Ascavasaion> Is there a way top check memory for errors in Ubuntu without using liveCD or Grub menu option?  I need to run it in Ubuntu while it is running.
[19:01] <ioria> Appel: i think you should convert your hd
[19:01] <_sisu_> so that is what i would like to know, the timing accuracy it can provide
[19:01] <ClientAlive> xauth: ha ha
[19:02] <Appel> ioria tell me more ? :-)
[19:02] <Yoshi2889> Ugh, excuse me while I reboot
[19:02] <roothorick> Ascavasaion: unfortunately no. It's the nature of a full memory test that it cannot run inside an OS.
[19:02] <ClientAlive> xauth: with linux... simple mistakes can quickly become disasters  :s  (start out laughing and end up crying <- I don't want that).
[19:02] <kalen_> BlueEagle: I agree with you on that one...
[19:03] <ioria> Appel: wll, i don'r use uefi, but i know that the problem is grub and MBR (master boot record)
[19:03] <xauth> ClientAlive: linux doesn't prevent you from shooting yourself in the foot.
[19:03] <Appel> yea thats the prob, it goes directly to Windows boot managaer
[19:03] <Ascavasaion> roothorick: Darn, I cannot get to it... On boot up computer freezes at Memory Testing, then about 15-25 minutes later it boots.  No Grub menu appears.
[19:03] <escott> _sisu_, the more i think about this the more difficult this sounds. a 100kHz signal leaves you 20-30 cycles to do your work
[19:03] <ioria> Appel: maybe you can use gparted to convert the partition
[19:03] <GeekSquid> Appel: boot with live disk, run gparted ... set the ubuntu as the boot partition
[19:04] <_sisu_> escott,  i said an example,
[19:04] <_sisu_> just think about a step function
[19:04] <roothorick> Ascavasaion: 15-25 MINUTES!? I'd say you have a hardware problem...
[19:04] <_sisu_> i just need to know the timing the step happens :)
[19:04] <Appel> Live disk aint able to boot, it dosent find it when attached. only win 8 bootable usb is findable
[19:04] <ClientAlive> xauth: that is for sure.   Ok, so, the instruction to launch the intaller is "./runInstaller" and you say do "ssh -X oracle" <- do those commands need to be combined somehow?
[19:04] <roothorick> Appel: did you turn off secure boot? Pretty sure secure boot needs to be OFF when installing OSes
[19:04] <Ascavasaion> roothorick: I know... but I have removed all HDDs, network cards, swapped graphics cards... and same thing.  So wanted to check RAM.
[19:04] <escott> _sisu_, not anywhere close to 100kHz accuracy
[19:04] <ioria> Appel: in live mode, neither ?
[19:04] <Appel> Yea its off
[19:04] <escott> _sisu_, 10kHz sounds more reasonable
[19:04] <_sisu_> 100 kHz is 0.1 MHz by the way
[19:05] <Appel> with virtual box it works yea
[19:05] <escott> _sisu_, nevermind
[19:05] <_sisu_> CPU goes too way faster
[19:05] <escott> _sisu_, haven't had enough cofee
[19:05] <GeekSquid> Appel: you may be able to do it in windows disk management
[19:05] <xauth> ClientAlive: from a local xterm, run "ssh -X oracle@oraclehost", then in the shell you get there, run ./runInstaller.
[19:05] <Appel> And what type of partition should i make?
[19:05] <roothorick> Ascavasaion: protip: if you're having issues before the OS boots, just swap the RAM with a known good set and test it later
[19:05] <_sisu_> e.g. 1 GHz cpu is 1000 times faster
[19:06] <skyler> unetbootin tells me i have to mount my usb hdd. How do I do this?
[19:06] <ClientAlive> xauth: perfect. thx
[19:06] <mikej> I'm having trouble setting up WIFI for my school network. I'm on Ubuntu 12.10.
[19:06] <GeekSquid> Appel: you arn't trying to :"make": a partition, you are setting the boot flag on the partition
[19:06] <ioria> Appel: in few words, you should erare and reformatting your hard disk :/
[19:06] <GeekSquid> Appel: what brand of computer?
[19:06] <Ascavasaion> roothorick: I have removed RAM, and put in one by one, and into each of the bays.  Same problem.  Cannot boot with no RAM because it gives one long beep and freezes.
[19:06] <Appel> Oh, okay :-) so in other words i could keep win 8 on my primary and make the secondary as a linux one?
[19:06] <ioria> Appel: erase the disk
[19:06] <Appel> Well, its a iconia w510, win 8 tablet
[19:06] <Appel> thats probably the problematic :p
[19:07] <ClientAlive> xauth: Brother, there is no "shell you get there" it just hangs
[19:07] <roothorick> Appel: can you get into the BIOS?
[19:07] <Appel> yea
[19:07] <ioria> Appel: you can reintall win after the reformatting
[19:07] <roothorick> Appel: there should be a "secure boot" option somewhere. Turn it OFF / Disabled
[19:07] <roothorick> Appel: be aware that may make win8 refuse to boot for now
[19:07] <whoever>  /join #java
[19:08] <Appel> Its off already, but as told all i get to is windows boot manager, not any other. not even with Bcdboot
[19:08] <ClientAlive> xauth: when I do, do a "su - oracle" and log in. My command line changes to:  oracle@myUserName
[19:08] <xauth> ClientAlive: oh dear.
[19:08] <ClientAlive> ha ha
[19:08] <xauth> ClientAlive: that should be "oracle@myHostName", right?
[19:08] <ClientAlive> xauth: cool
[19:08] <escott> ClientAlive, su - will/should not work on ubuntu systems
[19:09] <roothorick> Appel: is there an option about boot order? Maybe a boot menu?
[19:09] <Appel> yea there is, Usb is at top :-)
[19:09] <Appel> its something to do with the Uefi i guess..
[19:09] <ClientAlive> xauth: I alwasy did like being able to log in as root. Did a "passwd su" a long time ago  :p
[19:09] <roothorick> Appel: ohhh, yeah.... UEFI USB sticks have to be different I think
[19:09] <roothorick> Appel: unfortunately all my kit is way too old for UEFI so I can't be much help :/
[19:09] <ikonia> escott: su will work, if it's for a user, just not for root
[19:09] <GeekSquid> Appel: have you looked at this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/91484/how-to-boot-ubuntu-from-efi-uefi
[19:09] <xauth> escott: beg to differ. "su - <username>" works fine.
[19:10] <Appel> :-( and the w510 is kinda new so cant find any posts around the web either
[19:10] <ikonia> although I've just seen ClientAlive's further info
[19:10] <escott> ikonia, xauth didn't notice the "oracle" so conditioned to telling fedora people not to use su -
[19:10] <Appel> Yea i did GeekSquid , but ive tried a linux live usb stick to boot, all i havent tried is to make a new partition
[19:10] <Yoshi2889> Okay so I just had the "Checking battery state..." problem again
[19:10] <Appel> but i did try on my secondary drive wich is empty
[19:10] <Yoshi2889> Tried "startx" and it said it didn't find any screens..?
[19:11] <ikonia> escott: I'm not surprising it's so common here
[19:11] <Yoshi2889> I'm back in Ubuntu now after about 10 restarts but...
[19:11] <ioria> Appel: you can look for a gparted live disk and reformat the hd as MSDOS
[19:11] <roothorick> Appel: apparently ONLY Ubuntu-Secure-Remix and 12.04.2 are supported on UEFI for now
[19:11] <roothorick> Appel: if you can't put your BIOS into "legacy" mode, you'll have to pick from those two
[19:11] <Appel> yea, and those is 64bit aint it? :p
[19:11] <jrib> ikonia: what's wrong with setting a password for a user named "su" ;)
[19:11] <xauth> ClientAlive: you can try the xhost route. Run xhost from a local xterm
[19:11] <roothorick> Appel: yes.
[19:11] <Appel> another problem, ive got a x86 intel atom z2760 with a 32bit system
[19:11] <roothorick> Appel: newer Atoms have EM64T, that shouldn't be an issue
[19:12] <ClientAlive> xauth: thx. I think we'll get er  :)
[19:12] <mikej> Can someone help me set up my WIFI on Ubuntu 12.10?
[19:12] <skyler> I have a pentium m, will I be able to run 12.04 on it?
[19:12] <GeekSquid> Appel: consider putting SuperGrubCD on a usb stick and using it to bring up the efi for ubuntu
[19:12] <Yoshi2889> skyler: You should
[19:12] <kalen_> is anyone going to Scale in LA next weekend?
[19:12] <escott> skyler, there are lot of "pentium m"s out there. which pentium m is it?
[19:12] <Appel> tried that too GeekSquid , the system dosent find any usb if it aint windows 8 boot files on it :/
[19:12] <skyler> I have no idea. The one in the thinkpad t40
[19:13] <Yoshi2889> Ugh, if nobody knows an answer to this problem then I'll be best to switch to Fedora or OpenSUSE or something...
[19:13] <GeekSquid> kalen_: I'd like to, but I don't think I'll make it
[19:13] <roothorick> Appel: put 12.04.2 64bit on a USB stick and see if it picks up. If you get an error about no 64bit instructions, at least you know.
[19:13] <escott> skyler, your bigger issue will be the graphics card which is probably underpowered. im sure it is supported but you may find unity to be a bit slow
[19:14] <Appel> yea i will roothorick :-)
[19:14] <skyler> I'm going to be using gnome and awesome, so I don't really think graphics are much of an issue. Unity is terrible and I don't use it on any of my computers
[19:14] <escott> skyler, gnome also uses a compositor beginning with gnome3
[19:15] <skyler> there was something about using >3.5 gb of ram in 32 bit OSes that was going to cause a problem with my processor
[19:15] <skyler> escott, gnome2 with awesome as the WM is what I'm going to use
[19:15] <ThinkT510> !gnome2 | skyler
[19:15] <AcidRain2013> WM?
[19:15] <Ronalds_M> I haven't booted in windows since 12.04 release....
[19:16] <GeekSquid> skyler: not a processor problem. you just won't be able to use more than 3+ gigs of ram in 32bit
[19:16] <AcidRain2013> sudo aptitude install gnome-shell
[19:16] <Ronalds_M> and it's unity that's good
[19:16] <skyler> No, there is a processor problem I just can't remember what it is
[19:16] <kalen_> Ronalds_M: That's a good accomplishment :)
[19:16] <skyler> Yeah! My processor doesn't support PAE
[19:16] <ThinkT510> skyler: 32bit processors can't address over 3.something GB of ram
[19:16] <DJones> skyler: I think you're talking about the smp kernel needed for > 4gb ram on 32 bit systems
[19:16] <DJones> pae, that was it
[19:16] <kalen_> Ronalds_M: If I can get Photoshop running in a VM well enough, I'm going to try the same
[19:17] <AcidRain2013> GeekSquid: ? i run gnome2, 16gig ram.
[19:17] <skyler> Yeah, it's PAE
[19:17] <escott> skyler, your cpu doesn't have PAE?
[19:17] <skyler> escott, no
[19:17] <Ronalds_M> you earn money with it?
[19:17] <skyler> Not on this computer any ways haha
[19:17] <Ronalds_M> kalen_?
[19:17] <escott> skyler, then you need a special kernel because PAE is assumed in the kernel that ships with the OS
[19:17] <escott> !pae
[19:17] <kalen_> It' s not my main tool, but working as web dev, I get psd's all the time from our designer, so... yeah, it's pretty important
[19:17] <escott> skyler, although i think that was a 12.10 change so you might be ok with 12.04
[19:17] <skyler> escott, starting with what version? I can work on 10.04 for a while then
[19:18] <AcidRain2013> escott: seriously?
[19:18] <DJones> !pae | skyler If you're upgrading to 12.10, its enabled by default
[19:18] <AcidRain2013> y our telling me i have 16gig ram, and my cpu only uses 3?
[19:18] <Ronalds_M> I find gimp enough for my student needs, not like there is need for latex, c, python that are there in ubuntu
[19:18] <ClientAlive> xauth: When I do "ssh -X oracle@myUserName" (and enter password) I get a new shell but I also get this -> http://ideone.com/Fsd54h <- It doesn't look right to me. Am I mistaken and all is ok?
[19:18] <Appel> GeekSquid:  when i put super grub disk on a Fat32 usb, my pc did not find any usb connected in Boot menu :/
[19:18] <skyler> so lubuntu 12.04 should install fine then?
[19:19] <escott> skyler, yeah its 12.10 that PAE is required by the default kernel (there are groups who compile a non-pae kernel but you have to get it from them)
[19:19] <ClientAlive> xauth: I'd rather prevent a problem before it happens than try to clean up the mess afterward
[19:20] <kalen_> Ronalds_M: Gimp is decent, but it wont read the files I receive colrrectly
[19:20] <GeekSquid> Appel: how are you putting it on the disk ... unetbootin?
[19:20] <Venks_> are there any alternatives to unity in ubuntu ? i tried cairo dock,but the alt+tab for switching between programs does not work on it.
[19:20] <Appel> yea GeekSquid
[19:20] <Ronalds_Mz> kalen_which ones?
[19:20] <ThinkT510> !docks | Venks_
[19:20] <xauth> ClientAlive: There are some strange messages, but none of them to worry about, certainly not right now.
[19:20] <xauth> ClientAlive: most problems look unrelated.
[19:21] <ClientAlive> xauth: cool. thx
[19:21] <kalen_> Ronalds_M: PSD's
[19:21] <Dice-Man> there is also gnome classic
[19:21] <Ronalds_Mz> I find sometimes problems if presentations are made with slave tools like powerpoint...
[19:21] <Ronalds_Mz> but appart from that formats are always changable
[19:21] <escott> skyler, lubuntu with 12.04 would be a good choice
[19:21] <Venks_> thanks!@
[19:22] <Venks_> why on earth unity!  *pulls my hair*
[19:23] <Ronalds_Mz> lxde is fast and yes, but it
[19:23] <ThinkT510> Venks_: there are other desktop environments: gnome-shell, kde, xfce, lxde, enlightenment
[19:23] <holstein> Venks_: cario is a dock though.. unity is the whole environment
[19:23] <Ronalds_Mz> less customizable and if you ave many apps, it's hard to find something
[19:23] <holstein> maybe you are just looking for a launcher? something like gnome-do or kupfer or synapse
[19:23] <AcidRain2013> unity sucks
[19:23] <kalen_> AcidRain2013: hater!
[19:24] <escott> !ot | AcidRain2013
[19:24] <Ronalds_Mz> also, no nautilus bigger, smaller icons (rescaling)
[19:24] <Venks_> so what would you guys suggest ?.. i got ubuntu with my system76 laptop yesterday
[19:24] <Appel> roothorick:  same with that ubuntu version, boot window dosent find anything other then windows :/
[19:24] <holstein> AcidRain2013: lots of volunteers works hard creating unity
[19:24] <AcidRain2013> escott: i believe i was giving full support with my opinion on unity to help others avoid the issues i did ;)
[19:24] <zykotick9> !notuniy | Venks_
[19:24] <skyler> Unity is the wrong direction for ubuntu, but oh well
[19:24] <Ronalds_Mz> unity is great for many people, if doesn't suit you, why bother
[19:24] <escott> AcidRain2013, no you were being obnoxious
[19:24] <AcidRain2013> holstein: dont get me wrong, i appreciate the work. as i do with all code. just not me
[19:24] <holstein> Venks_: i would suggest elaborating as to what you are looking for, and some suggestions can be made.. there are lots of other desktop environments
[19:24] <AcidRain2013> !define obnoxious
[19:24] <no-n> are optimus/bumblebee/nvidia gt 630m still problematic on ubuntu?
[19:25] <zykotick9> !nouniy | Venks_
[19:25] <zykotick9> !notunity | Venks_
[19:25] <escott> no-n, yes/no/maybe depends on your hardware
[19:26] <Venks_> @ holstein, i think its the interface more than anything that i am not comfortable with.. i do like the classic gnome 2 interface
[19:26] <holstein> Venks_: i would try a few live CD's.. xubuntu, lubuntu.. see what lxde and xfce, and maybe kde are like..
[19:26] <no-n> escott: what hardware? just the graphics card?
[19:26] <nick_h> Ubuntu configures rsyslog to run as syslog:adm rather than root:root . how bad is it to change that so that rsyslog runs as root:root ?
[19:26] <holstein> Venks_: xfce is arguably the most like the old gnome2
[19:27] <no-n> escott: I'm trying to decide whether to buy a laptop with an nvidia card or just hd4000
[19:27] <Venks_> this laptop came with  12.10 preinstalled
[19:27] <holstein> Venks_: try a xubuntu live CD, then consider installing xfce or xubuntu-desktop in your current install
[19:27] <holstein> Venks_: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[19:27] <escott> no-n, its not a supported hardware set, but some people must be having some success since the project exists
[19:27] <skyler> no-n, buy a thinkpad
[19:27] <no-n> skyler: why?
[19:27] <holstein> Venks_: you prestalled ubuntu has access to xubuntu, XFCE, kde, lxde.. whatever you want.. literally wahtever you want to use
[19:27] <escott> no-n, ati also has their own version of the optimus type technology that can cause problems
[19:27] <Ronalds_Mz> Unity is right direction, it's clearly far superior than gnome 2, and combines right with all types of apps
[19:28] <Appel> wich format should i make my disk to prepare for ubuntu ?
[19:28] <Ronalds_Mz> there is no problem running mate, why don't do it, if hate unity
[19:28] <skyler> no-n, great linux support, great hardware, pretty good price. Buy a used one and you will be very happu
[19:28] <jacob_> do u hack facbook
[19:28] <escott> no-n, and the associated project for amd hardware is ironhide or ironlake or iron-something
[19:28] <no-n> ah
[19:28] <Venks_> @ Ronalds_Mz i dont hate unity.... as i said I prefer classic gnome 2
[19:29] <holstein> i find xfce to be the most stable gnome2 like interface...
[19:29] <skyler> guest8680, to hack a facebook you have to make a gui in visual basic to backtrace their IP adress
[19:29] <DJones> !hacking | Guest8680 No, they have their own programmers,
[19:29] <skyler> !piracy
[19:29] <Venks_> well is there a way to move the unity bar to the bottom or top rather than on te left hand side ?
[19:29] <skyler> !o4o
[19:29] <ioria> Appel: MSDOS  i guess, but it'll erase all your data
[19:30] <emdik> I have recently upgraded to 12.10 and I cannot see my laptop from my desktop on my home network anymore. The internet works from both but somehow I can't see my laptop. How can this happen? How can I fix this situation?
[19:30] <skyler> emdik, are you running 12.10 on both computers?
[19:30] <emdik> The laptop is connect through wifi. A windows laptop can be seen but this one not.
[19:30] <emdik> yes
[19:30] <skyler> emdik, have you tried turning it off and on again
[19:31] <emdik> skyler: plenty of times
[19:31] <holstein> Venks_: i installed ubuntu.. stock.. unity is on here.. i installed and configured openbox, and i dont use unity.. you can choose to install whatever else you want on there.. and choose at boot time what you prefer
[19:31] <escott> emdik, check that samba is installed, check that the firewall is open
[19:31] <escott> !gufw | emdik
[19:31] <emdik> I just ran out of ideas
[19:31] <escott> !samba | emdik
[19:31] <holstein> Venks_: i suggest looking at live CD's since its an easy way to get a feel withouth breaking your current install
[19:31] <emdik> I don't use samba, I don't need it, I wanted to ssh only
[19:31] <emdik> but even ping fails :-/
[19:32] <Venks_> @holstein ok I will try a few distros
[19:32] <escott> emdik, would your router have isolation mode enabled?
[19:32] <holstein> Venks_: a few ubuntu variants... they are all ubuntu
[19:32] <holstein> emdik: firewalls?
[19:32] <kalen_> holstein: even linux mint?!
[19:32] <Venks_> and does anyone have gide to configure apparmour ?
[19:33] <Venks_> guide*
[19:33] <emdik> escott, holstein: I checked those already
[19:33] <emdik> I have no internal network isolation
[19:33] <emdik> but I have ufw on both computers
[19:33] <holstein> kalen_: the ones i suggested above, which were xubuntu, lubuntu, kubuntu.. etc.. not mint
[19:33] <escott> emdik, what is your ping command line and response?
[19:33] <emdik> even my router doesn't list my laptop as a client even though I check the management interface from the laptop
[19:33] <emdik> I didn't have this problem with 12.04
[19:33] <holstein> emdik: try connecting by ip
[19:34] <Appel> ive noticed by now that i have a 100mb partition on my Disk that is called "Efi-systempartition"
[19:34] <g16> Does Ubuntu have a screenshot pastebin, like paste.ubuntu.com? Trying to help a user on another Ubuntu official channel, where should I redirect him for uploading screenshots?
[19:34] <escott> Appel, thats where efi keeps the boot files
[19:34] <Appel> I should really keep that then :p
[19:35] <escott> Appel, yes. its the efi version of the MBR
[19:35] <emdik> holstein: I tried pinging by ip address and it works now!
[19:35] <Venks_> I installed teamviewer yesterday to take remote acess,now every time i start the guest account it starts on boot,how do i get rid of it ?
[19:35] <emdik> but I still cannot see it as a device on the router
[19:36] <escott> emdik, what do you mean "as a device" are you trying to find it by hostname
[19:36] <holstein> emdik: i find, trying with the host names, outside the dhcp range wont work on some networks.. depends on the router and the network
[19:36] <emdik> escott: there is a page that lists the connected clients to the router, and currently it only lists my computer but not this laptop
[19:36] <holstein> emdik: do your tests with the IP.. and you can consider dns
[19:37] <holstein> emdik: those are listing dhcp leases likely.. not static IP's
[19:37] <Appel> Im getting mad over here, stupid windows boot manager :-< cant get aaaaanything to boot
[19:37] <emdik> holstein: maybe I'll check it in other places
[19:37] <emdik> I happy that at least ping works now :-)
[19:38] <holstein> emdik: i would pint the machines.. i would check the firewalls.. i would test connect via ssh.. all using ip addresses, then move from there knowing what the issues are
[19:38] <ioria> Appel: are you in Legacy boot only ?
[19:38] <Appel> ioria: ive tried disabling secure boot, and tried with it aswell
[19:40] <escott> emdik, it sounds like you are using a static configuration and expecting the router to have a DNS name for that entry which it wont have
[19:40] <ioria> Appel: try with uefi and Legacy bios enabled but Legacy boot first
[19:40] <holstein> my ddwrt firmware does dns name serving.. but usually stock routers dont
[19:40] <Appel> Acutally i found it now but bios said "Sandisk cruzer blade has been blocked by the current security policy"
[19:40] <escott> Appel, if you legacy boot linux then you wont be able to boot windows 8
[19:41] <Appel> well the point is dualbootin win8 and ubuntu
[19:41] <emdik> escott: I need access without dns now, although using hostnames would be nicer; earlier I couldn't reach my laptop from my computer ("no route to host") with the ip address
[19:42] <Appel> OMG; Gpart booted for a sec, now blackscreen :|
[19:42] <holstein> emdik: my guess is that was a fat-finger, or a firewall issue
[19:42] <escott> !nomodeset | Appel
[19:42] <MonkeyDust> Appel  is this useful http://www.intowindows.com/dual-boot-windows-8-and-ubuntu/
[19:43] <Appel> Okay guys lemme check that, you are awesome :-)
[19:43] <emdik> holstein: I hope the problem doesn't come back
[19:43] <Appel> well i cant add that if i dont have linux installed can i?
[19:43] <emdik> aaand now I get the error again "Destination Host Unreachable"
[19:43] <holstein> emdik: i dont think it was a problem at all.. i think it was configuration
[19:44] <holstein> emdik: if you can ping, then you are trying to connect via ssh, and you should look at the ssh config.. connect to ssh on localhost to test
[19:44] <escott> Appel, you can set nomodeset at the grub menu during once the livecd starts to boot
[19:44] <Appel> it boots says error real fast, then goes to Gnome partition , then blackscreen
[19:45] <Appel> no chance to write anything
[19:45] <emdik> holstein: now I can't even ping; I tried adding a static configuration in the router
[19:45] <holstein> Appel: try tapping shift, or holding it right after the bios
[19:45] <holstein> emdik: ? why?
[19:45] <holstein> emdik: you should not change *anything* when you are able to ping
[19:45] <PuFFs> Can you mount --bind home directory to a NTFS directory?
[19:46] <versuchsanstalt> i have a problem on a machine of a friend of mine. i don't know why it won't boot to x like it did yesterday, the only thing that's changed is that i reduced the color depth to 24 bit using the configuration options provided by the desktop. QUESTION: what's the best way to let the system autoconfigure X once again?
[19:46] <holstein> emdik: i would undo what you just did, and get the machines pinging again.. test localhost ssh on ssh server, then connect remotely
[19:46] <emdik> holstein: I changed after loosing the ability to ping, sorry for the confusion
[19:46] <nokia> l
[19:46] <escott> PuFFs, no
[19:47] <emdik> holstein: a desperate action to fix the reappearing problem
[19:47] <PuFFs> escott: Thanks
[19:47] <Appel> holstein: tapping did not work
[19:47] <escott> PuFFs, if you want to put some files on NTFS i would symlink folders like says ~/Music to a folder in the NTFS directory
[19:47] <Appel> ill try that guid MonkeyDust , how much GB should i have for linux ?
[19:47] <holstein> Appel: it might not.. i dont have, or plan to have uefi boot, so i dont have any idea what hassle it is in actuality
[19:48] <Appel> im really thankfull for trying mate
[19:48] <wjtaylor> How can I see why mdadm failed a disk?
[19:48] <Appel> Yesterday i couldent even get to boot menu, im doin progress :)
[19:48] <PuFFs> escott: If I did the symlink would it use the space on NTFS mount or still use up on my /home?
[19:48] <danktamagachi> hello, I am using ubuntu 12.10. for some reason, empathy just started to pop up real message boxes (with, OK and Cancel buttons) for each IM I receive, in addition to the toast notification. I don't remember enabling this, any idea how to turn it off?
[19:48] <holstein> emdik: i would just set all back to default.. get the machines connected and pinging something (google.com) then get the IP's and set up ssh.. *then* set static ip's if you need and go from there
[19:48] <nokia> hi, my AMD catalyst driver runs 8c cooler than the ATI open driver is this normal?
[19:49] <escott> PuFFs, if you symlink ~/Music -> /mnt/ntfs/some/path then any files placed in ~/Music are actually on /mnt/ntfs
[19:50] <emdik> holstein: I removed the static ips from the router
[19:50] <escott> wjtaylor, dmesg
[19:51] <wjtaylor> escott: what would I grep for?
[19:51] <emdik> holstein: I can now ssh from laptop (wifi) to the computer (cable) and I can ping the laptop from the computer, I will enable ssh for testing
[19:51] <escott> wjtaylor, /dev/sdX for the appropriate device
[19:51] <SolarisBoy> look for kernel errors related to your disks
[19:51] <SolarisBoy> brb - sounds all wonky
[19:52] <wjtaylor> escott: nothing...
[19:52] <Appel> But guys, what makes it possible for gparted to boot, but ubuntu cant?
[19:52] <emdik> holstein: ssh works now, too
[19:53] <mikej> Is there any way to "unfreeze" Ubuntu, like with windows hitting Ctrl + alt + delete
[19:53] <escott> !reisub | mikej
[19:53] <holstein> emdik: so, dont assume ssh is broken.. it'll be the networking that breaks ssh
[19:53] <emdik> holstein: but there is something else I want to do with the computers besides ssh, let's see if I can
[19:53] <thiefy> i have a computer on my network named named woof.   how coem when i try to do "ping woof" it doesn't work properly?
[19:53] <emdik> holstein: I thought so, maybe I didn't express myself appropriately
[19:53] <holstein> thiefy: dns.. if its static ip
[19:54] <thiefy> holstein,  it is static.
[19:54] <tekk> whats the policy on ubuntu kernel updates… i.e. is there a release cycle or justification for picking new ones up? just wondered when 3.5.6 was coming :)
[19:54] <tekk> i'm stuck on 3.2.0-37
[19:54] <dean_> Hi all I was wondering if there was a emulator for ubuntu that can play gamecube games on?
[19:54] <MonkeyDust> tekk  3.2 is for 12.04
[19:55] <holstein> thiefy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto is relevant, though i usually just connect via IP, or use ddwrt firmware
[19:55] <escott> tekk, when you upgrade to the next release you will get the newer kernel
[19:55] <tekk> yes, i'm using 12.04
[19:55] <tekk> ubuntu locks kernel versions at releases ?
[19:55] <holstein> tekk: you get security upgrades
[19:55] <tekk> right ok
[19:55] <MonkeyDust> tekk  use 12.10 if you want 3.5
[19:55] <tekk> what does 12.10 use exactly ? (i need some features of 3.5.6)
[19:55] <emdik> holstein: now my other network thing works, altough I feel that I changed back everything to where I started
[19:55] <holstein> tekk: canonnical releases security upgrades to the "stable" versions at release time, basically
[19:55] <holstein> !ppa | tekk
[19:56] <holstein> you can get newer version via ppa usually.. though breakage can occur
[19:56] <MonkeyDust> tekk  the current kernel is 3.5.0-23 -- if you want something newer, you need a ppa, but that's not supported here
[19:56] <tekk> ok np
[19:56] <thiefy> holstein, where in dd-wrt do i find that to give them static names?
[19:56] <holstein> emdik: by trying to create static IP's, it seems you broke networking between the machines.. do you need static ip's?
[19:56] <tekk> if i need newer i'd rather spin my own than use a ppa (for my sanity)
[19:57] <holstein> thiefy: i dont have it running in front of me, and the firmware's can be different
[19:57] <_sisu_> can i ask
[19:57] <_sisu_> why ubuntu has 6 virtual terminals ?
[19:57] <jai> hi
[19:57] <_sisu_> ctrl + alt f1 f2...f6
[19:57] <holstein> thiefy: it alwasy "just worked" for me.. automagically
[19:57] <_sisu_> any reason ?
[19:57] <emdik> holstein: the static ip creating was one of my attempts at the solution
[19:57] <wjtaylor> escott: how do I mark a faulty spare as non-faulty?
[19:57] <thiefy> holstein, it doesn't 'just work' for mine... i'll hunt around though.
[19:58] <holstein> emdik: so, whats the issue?
[19:58] <thiefy> wjtaylor, what's a 'spare'?
[19:58] <holstein> thiefy: i would search about dns in ddwrt.. could be something you disabled for some reason
[19:58] <thiefy> i might have.... heheh
[19:59] <wjtaylor> thiefy: It's an extra drive in an array.
[19:59] <holstein> thiefy: tbh, it just always worked, and i never looked for the option
[19:59] <zykotick9> _sisu_: it's actually "linux" that has those virtual terminals, try "echo $TERM" while in a VT ;)
[19:59] <holstein> !tty | _sisu_
[19:59] <bonelifer> Using MyhthBuntu 11.10.  The main backend will shutdown the Slave BE, if it isn't required which was working great. Now when doing the shutdown it hangs and just sits there.  If I push the power button and hold till it shutdown, I can then turn the computer back on and it boots fine.  I've also ran the same shutdown command via the terminal with the same result.  This was a fresh install and this didn't happen till the last update a few da
[19:59] <bonelifer> ys ago.
[19:59] <escott> wjtaylor, you just add it back to the array and it will be caught back up
[19:59] <holstein> maybe have some info if you track those links down ^^
[19:59] <thiefy> holstein, i really doubt i've turned that off, i would have wanted that feature.
[19:59] <escott> wjtaylor, but it is seldom the case that it isn't actually faulty
[20:00] <_sisu_> yes i know that
[20:00] <emdik> holstein: it seems now that I had luck setting up my network connection into the laptop, but I still have issues: I can't ping this laptop from a windows laptop and the router still doesn't list my laptop as a client while the windows laptop is listed, so there is still something fishy going on but I cannot find the exact problem
[20:00] <_sisu_> but what is the difference btw those terminals and the console
[20:00] <escott> _sisu_, it is traditional
[20:00] <holstein> thiefy: could be something on a per-machine dns setting level too i suppose
[20:00] <_sisu_> ctrl + alt + t
[20:00] <escott> _sisu_, they are "the console"
[20:00] <emdik> holstein: also, it seems that *sometimes* I can ping/ssh/connect to my laptop but sometimes I can't
[20:00] <_sisu_> but that tradition must be for something i guess
[20:00] <holstein> _sisu_: the gui ones emulate those..
[20:00] <_sisu_> yes i know that too :)
[20:00] <escott> _sisu_, an xterm/gnome-terminal is a terminal emulator using a pts device
[20:01] <emdik> holstein: this coincides with my recent upgrade to 12.10 so this is why I suspect someting on my laptop
[20:01] <_sisu_> xterm is like LXDE right ?
[20:01] <holstein> emdik: i would try removing variables.. starting with the wifi connection.. wire up and test
[20:01] <_sisu_> in lubuntu
[20:01] <holstein> emdik: then, take your router from the equation, if you have another router/switch
[20:01] <ThinkT510> _sisu_: lxde is a desktop environment
[20:01] <holstein> !info xterm
[20:01] <ThinkT510> _sisu_: xterm is a terminal emulator
[20:01] <holstein> !lxde
[20:02] <_sisu_> ok
[20:02] <_sisu_> dont really know the difference
[20:02] <_sisu_> i should google :)
[20:02] <holstein> _sisu_: the emulators, emulate that console... you can do the same both places, bascially
[20:03] <escott> _sisu_, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/21280/difference-between-pts-and-tty
[20:03] <ThinkT510> _sisu_: you don't know the difference between a desktop environment (the graphical user interface) and a terminal emulator (where you input commands)
[20:03] <_sisu_> interesting
[20:03] <holstein> _sisu_: i wouldnt worry about it.. when you need to know, you'll know... if you have a desktop environment, you can use a terminal emulator.. if you dont, you just use the console
[20:03] <_sisu_> yes, i was thinking that know
[20:04] <ClientAlive> I want to use some password manager but I want to set it up in such a way that there is encryption to log into it and that a compoinent for logging in is only on an sd card. I want to have a situation where - unless you insert that sd card it will be impossible to log into the password manager (even if you know the password to login).  <-  is this possible??
[20:04] <_sisu_> very interesting in any case
[20:04] <Ray> Hi , Englisch or German ?
[20:04] <holstein> _sisu_: think of them as tools that have similar functions depending on where you are and which one you need
[20:05] <emdik> holstein: I'll try to make certain that the problem is on the laptop then, thank you for your help
[20:05] <escott> ClientAlive, yes that should be supported by pam
[20:05] <holstein> emdik: cheers!
[20:05] <ClientAlive> escott: So this is not a new idea?
[20:05] <escott> ClientAlive, and if you were talking about gnome-keyring and not PAM then you can just put the keyring on the device
[20:05] <escott> ClientAlive, no its call 2-factor authentication
[20:07] <omgirc> hello? hi i just installed 12.04 lts and i can't get desktop icons. how do i do this pelasE?
[20:07] <Yoshi2889> Just wanted to inform everyone that I just installed Linux Mint and it solved the Checking battery state... issue
[20:07] <ClientAlive> escott: ahh. Well, I'm not sure if putting gnome-keyring on the card is what I'm really thinking of. What I want is to split up uniqe and required components for logging into it so that one can not work without the other.. Is that the 2-factor thing then?
[20:07] <Yoshi2889> omgirc: Place any files in the Desktop folder in your home folder
[20:08] <omgirc> Yoshi2889,  for instance, if i wanted a firefox icon on the desktop for quick access, how please do i do that
[20:08] <escott> ClientAlive, are you talking about the keyring or login?
[20:09] <escott> ClientAlive, in either case its still two-factor
[20:09] <Yoshi2889> omgirc: You can place the Firefox icon in the launcher
[20:09] <ClientAlive> escott: I want to begin using a password manager (to store all my passwords). But I want to protect the ability to log into the password manager itself by the aformentioned scheme.
[20:09] <omgirc> Yoshi2889,  but not the desktop ?
[20:09] <Yoshi2889> You'd have to create a .desktop file and I don't remember how
[20:09] <escott> ClientAlive, so the keyring not the login
[20:11] <ClientAlive> escott: some maybe something like an encryped password for log into the password manager then have the private key component on the sd card and the public part just normal on the computer???
[20:11] <escott> ClientAlive, the encryption the keyring uses is symmetric
[20:11] <ClientAlive> escott: I'm thinknig 'Pentagon/ CIA' style - without physical possesion of the sd card you're not gonna log into the password manager
[20:12] <escott> ClientAlive, why would the keyring use an asymmetric encryption?
[20:12] <thiefy> holstein, i found it. it is under 'services' i just hadn't noticed it before.
[20:12] <Ronalds_Mz> who else is with nickname Ronalds_M
[20:13] <Ronalds_Mz> or is it just xchat in background lol
[20:13] <thiefy> * [Ronalds_M] (~ronalds@<IP_ADDRESS>): Ronalds     <---  this guy.
[20:13] <ClientAlive> escott: I have not idea about these thing. I do, however, know that if one must physically possess some secondary physical device (in this case an sd card) in order to login, it would stop any cracker dead in his tracks (even if he had possession of the computer itself).
[20:13] <thiefy> which is you ronald.
[20:14] <escott> ClientAlive, stop saying "login" if you don't mean "login"
[20:14] <ClientAlive> escott: So, take my laptop, go ahead, if you don't have the card key you will get nothing - ever
[20:14] <omgirc> Yoshi2889,  easiest way to create favourite icon on ubuntu 12.04. Click Home Folder –> File System –> usr –> share –> applications. Right click your favourite icon, choose Copy To –> Desktop
[20:14] <ClientAlive> escott: I mean solely for logging into the password manager alone (not other login).
[20:15] <escott> ClientAlive, as I said "keyring"
[20:15] <ClientAlive> escott: one does have to authenticate to access the contants of a password manager don't they?
[20:15] <thiefy> ClientAlive, it's called a yubikey    google it.
[20:15] <ClientAlive> ok
[20:15] <escott> ClientAlive, so put your keyring on the usb device
[20:15] <ClientAlive> ok
[20:15] <ClientAlive> thans for the tip I will google that  :)
[20:16] <escott> ClientAlive, a yubikey is something different its for two-factor login
[20:16] <LoneTrooper> Does anybody know good games on linux besides assault cube, openArena, Red Eclipse, Sauerbraten, Tremulous, Warzone 2100 & Xmoto?
[20:16] <escott> ClientAlive, you are wanting some kind of two factor keyring which doesn't make much sense
[20:16] <thiefy> ClientAlive, google itself is going to start using yubikeys for google logins. yaaaay!
[20:16] <Appel> okay guys, i managed to Boot Grub, now what. im in the command promt, i want to install linux ubuntu that i have on the same usb stick as an EFI grub
[20:16] <ClientAlive> escott: np. now that I have a couple terms to look up I can study into it Thanks for providing some terminalogy to get me started.
[20:18] <thiefy> Appel, read this:   http://askubuntu.com/questions/157055/install-ubuntu-from-iso-file-using-grub2
[20:19] <LoneTrooper> come on 1768 ppl here, give me some recommendations
[20:20] <emdik> hello, is holstein still around?
[20:20] <kalen_> LoneTrooper: nice way to get attention
[20:20] <kalen_> LoneTrooper: Are you looking for purely open source? Because Steam is available and has quite a few commercial games available
[20:21] <Appel> thiefy:  Im supposed to use the iso ubuntu by that? not a pendrive one?
[20:21] <ThinkT510> LoneTrooper: 0ad can be fun
[20:21] <thiefy> appel huh? you can do that with any iso file.
[20:21] <escott> Appel, what do you mean by "boot grub" what command prompt are you at?
[20:21] <kalen_> LoneTrooper: there's also warsow
[20:21] <thiefy> Appel, i just did it an hour ago with something different than ubuntu.
[20:21] <ClientAlive> escott: well, a person begins using a password manager when they want to keep using multiple uniqe passwrods but are beginning to find it difficult to rememver them all right? And the password manager itself requires authentication to view or modify it's contents right? So letts assume some of those stored passwords are critical (financial or otherwise very private). Now, if someon gains access to the computer system then can lauchch the
[20:21] <ClientAlive> password manager (no problem here - yet). If they somehow break the password for the password manager they will acquire all your passwords. Ok, so if you have to have a second physical device in order to log into the password manager - even if you know the password you can't log into the password manager withouth that device in your possesion - then you pretty dam secure from having all your passwords fall into the worng hands.
[20:21] <ClientAlive> That's what I'm talking about
[20:22] <thiefy> Appel, you will have to modify the instructions a tiny bit if it's a diff OS than ubuntu.
[20:22] <ClientAlive> Langley type $#!^
[20:22] <thiefy> Appel, and, the guy spelled initrd wrong.
[20:22] <pmitros> Is there some place where I can look up what files Ubuntu applications correspond to? I'm not running Gnome or similar (minimal install), but I often want to get to things like "Sound Recorder" or "Sound Settings" referenced in HOWTOs and in web pages.
[20:22] <pmitros> I'm not sure how to get to those from the command line.
[20:22] <escott> ClientAlive, the keyring (which is the terminology we use) is just an application that symmetrically encrypts the information inside the keyring. it is traditionally (one ubuntu) encrypted and decrypted with the SAME PASSWORD AS LOGIN.
[20:23] <escott> ClientAlive, you can change your keyring password and you will be asked twice
[20:23] <escott> ClientAlive, but there is no risk that someone could steal the laptop and be able to read the keyring
[20:23] <tassadar_> Hello all, im looking for some help with a clean install of 12.10 ubuntu
[20:24] <Appel> escott:  grub command promt i think
[20:24] <steve07> I am new to ubuntu and Live CD.  the disk I made works on one PC.  But does not connect to internet when using a gigabyte mobo. any ideas?
[20:24] <ClientAlive> escott: ok. i didn't know that. Then how does one make use of the keyring? By entering the same password as they login with?
[20:24] <escott> ClientAlive, you can put the keyring on a usb stick and then they have to steal both the password and the usb stick (which may be easier to steal than the laptop itself)
[20:24] <ClientAlive> ok
[20:24] <escott> ClientAlive, if the keyring password is the login password then it automatically unlocks on login. if it is different you get prompted
[20:25] <LoneTrooper> oh yeh warsow i played it but for this kind of game openarena i find more attractive thx for response kalen
[20:25] <ClientAlive> escott: ok. So in practical use the person just enters one password in exchange for all their unique passwords that the keyring stores?
[20:25] <Ice_Strike> Is it possible to install Ubunto on Drive D without booting out from Windows?
[20:25] <escott> ClientAlive, ive never heard of anyone trying to two-factor protect the keyring because most people who are concerned about those kinds of things will use ecryptfs or the like
[20:25] <emdik> it seems that holstein left, any other network experts around?
[20:26] <tassadar_> is software center crashing constantly upon fresh install... normal? ive reinstalled multiple times across several HDDs and get the same issue
[20:26] <emdik> altough it seems that I might have a driver problem, I don't know
[20:26] <escott> Appel, im wondering what you are doing that is getting you to the grub menu but not into the cd
[20:26] <escott> Appel, if you are following some instructions it would help us to know which and what step you are on
[20:26] <Appel> Well , the problem is the Efi, pendrive and linux live stuff dosent make a EFI folder on my usb
[20:27] <Appel> and thats needed to be able to boot on my comp
[20:27] <LoneTrooper> tassdar what kind of graphic card ur using it may be just because of drivers
[20:27] <ClientAlive> escott: well I should point out that some of my passwords are online passwrods. The problem is I create very very strong passwods and not I'm up to about 5 or 6 to hold in my head - it's becoming wiierisome.
[20:27] <tassadar_> integrated, this is a netbook
[20:27] <escott> Appel, the pendrive should be bootable without an efi system partition
[20:27] <escott> Appel, how did you create the pendrive
[20:28] <LoneTrooper> for amd ati HD6670  i had to download from manufacturer's website to get rid off the bugs
[20:28] <Appel> universal usb installer
[20:28] <Appel> and a manual efi boot from grub :/
[20:28] <ClientAlive> escott: at any rate, I'm failing to see how a keyring helps. I'm wondering if it doesn't actually dilute security.
[20:28] <Appel> cuz my comp dosent find anything from pendrive
[20:28] <mikej> How do I add a DFS folder into Ubuntu that is stored on a Windows network?
[20:29] <ThinkT510> !samba | mikej
[20:29] <Appel> initr (loop)/casper/initrd.lz
[20:29] <escott> ClientAlive, what?
[20:29] <Appel> that first one supposed to be what?
[20:31] <escott> Appel, what is "universal usb installer"?
[20:31] <ClientAlive> escott: What I'm saying is my concern is not limited to the domain of the o/s (the system). I have passwords to remember where the login is over the internet (my bank account for instance).
[20:31] <Appel> from pendrive linux place
[20:31] <Dr_Doom> I want dowload kubuntu 12.10, but I preffer an torrent already atualized. Is it possible?
[20:31] <Dr_Doom> "a"
[20:32] <escott> Appel, i would follow the instructions on ubuntu.com. maybe this pendrive linux doesn't make efi usb sticks
[20:32] <emdik> could some help with my networking problem? It may be related to network setup problems but I have confirmed that it is only present if I use my wifi
[20:32] <ClientAlive> escott: Why would anyone want to exchange 5 or 7 strong, unique passwords for one?
[20:32] <Appel> i havent found any usb program that makes efi's yet, thats the problem
[20:32] <MonkeyDust> Dr_Doom  scroll down to bittorent http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[20:32] <escott> ClientAlive, so don't put them in the keyring and type them in every time from memory
[20:32] <jrib> ClientAlive: easier to remember :)  It's a trade-off
[20:32] <LoneTrooper> dr doom why dont try Xubuntu? its lighter and works same
[20:33] <Dr_Doom> Here is the channel for kubuntu too, correct?
[20:33] <ClientAlive> escott: oh forget it. Thx. Really, but this is useless. I'll resarch the terms you gave me. Thank you for that.
[20:33] <escott> [20:33] <LoneTrooper> it had xfce as default window manager instead of kde plasma
[20:33] <phunyguy> question... in Kubuntu, if I have my laptop closed, and unplug power, it goes to sleep.  In Ubuntu, the same action won't make it sleep. If I close the lid with power removed, it sleeps, just not if the lid is already closed.   Is there a workaround?
[20:34] <LoneTrooper> phunyguy go to settings manager and choose power manager
[20:34] <LoneTrooper> and check for options
[20:34] <phunyguy> LoneTrooper: I have done all that.
[20:34] <phunyguy> there arent many options there
[20:34] <no-n> is there a mate based ubuntu?
[20:34] <bekks> no-n: No.
[20:34] <MonkeyDust> no-n  no
[20:35] <MonkeyDust> no-n  mate is mint thingy
[20:35] <phunyguy> !mint
[20:35] <no-n> hehe, yeah.
[20:35] <no-n> I've been using mint for a while now
[20:35] <stercor> I have a 2Gb RAM stick, thumb drive, USB drive --- whatever it's called today.  It formats (ext2, ext3, ext4, and vfat to 482 Mb.  How can I get it up to the 2Gb?
[20:35] <no-n> but mate-ubuntu would have more support
[20:36] <samir__> hello
[20:36] <leftyfb> stercor: use gparted you remove the partitions on it and create a new one
[20:36] <phunyguy> !discuss | no-n
[20:36] <kalen_> stercor: use something like gparted and make sure there aren't any extra partitions
[20:36] <kalen_> leftyfb beat me to it
[20:37] <LoneTrooper> stercor du u want to format it in fat32 or ntfs  ?
[20:37] <stercor> leftyfb:  Thanks! /me scratches head and wonders why he didn't think of it...
[20:37] <stercor> \me>
[20:37] <broknbottle> 2 gigabit usb drive?
[20:37] <kalen_> pretty fast eh
[20:37] <stercor> broknbottle: Yes, I use it for Linux distros.
[20:38] <broknbottle> you mean 2GB
[20:38] <kalen_> or 2 gigabyte
[20:38] <leftyfb> stercor: broknbottle was correcting your use of Gb as opposed to GB
[20:38] <alok__> hi all
[20:38] <broknbottle> typically B = storage, b = speed
[20:38] <phunyguy> !ot
[20:38] <leftyfb> which in your case, I feel context was sufficient to get the point across
[20:39] <bekks> Typically: Byte => Storage, Bit => Bandwidth
[20:39] <stercor> OK...I thought that Gb was the 1024-based system...is it GB for 1024?
[20:39] <kalen_> sticklers in here
[20:39] <phunyguy> !ot | stercor, bekks, leftyfb, broknbottle
[20:39] <leftyfb> yup
[20:39] <broknbottle> :D
[20:39] <leftyfb> phunyguy: we get it, thanks
[20:39] <phunyguy> apparently not.
[20:39] <BobLfoot> so is "steam on ubuntu" on or off topic for this channel?
[20:39] <jgcampbell300> hello ...  anyone know of a gui that will assist me in running multi cli from ubuntu 64 desk top to connect to 5+ servers at the same time ?
[20:40] <leftyfb> sorry to interrupt all the other support questions going on in here
[20:40] <MonkeyDust> BobLfoot  #ubuntu-steam
[20:40] <samir__> I have a problem in netbeans in ubuntu
[20:40] <samir__> error message:
[20:40] <samir__> when I compile
[20:40] <samir__> Have no file for / usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-i386/jre/lib/netx.jar
[20:40] <samir__> Have no file for / usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-i386/jre/lib/plugin.jar
[20:40] <samir__> I am a beginner
[20:40] <phunyguy> BobLfoot: I would guess on-topic since it is in USC now
[20:40] <FloodBot1> samir__: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:40] <Burritoh> BobLfoot: not really, but you're much more likely to find answers tailored to you on #ubuntu-steam and #steamlug - since people there are Steam users. Not everyone here is Steam user.
[20:40] <leftyfb> jgcampbell300: terminator
[20:40] <broknbottle> phunyguy: I'd rather the community relay information correctly, it makes troubleshooting and assisting easier
[20:40] <escott> stercor, its GiB (base 2^10) vs GB (base 10)
[20:41] <jgcampbell300> leftyfb, thanks
[20:41] <phunyguy> broknbottle: well I would imagine that is a gray area now.  thanks.
[20:41] <BobLfoot> phunyguy: I'll stop back alter tonight then - right now I am getting black screen when TF2 launches.
[20:41] <BobLfoot> s/alter/later/
[20:41] <phunyguy> considering steam is in the USC...
[20:41] <Ice_Strike> Is it possible to install Ubunto on Drive D without booting out from Windows?
[20:42] <leftyfb> phunyguy: notice they are "guidelines", not rules. Stop being so black and white and offer help instead of nit-picking
[20:42] <bekks> Ice_Strike: Only using WUBI, which is not recommended. :)
[20:42] <Ice_Strike> why?
[20:42] <nick_h> in /etc/aliases , i have "nick<EMAIL_ADDRESS>. however, when a cron job of mine generates output, an email isn't delivered to my email address despite /var/log/exim4/mainlog saying "2013-02-17 20:42:01 1U7B3h-00038Z-AP Completed". why would that be?
[20:42] <usr13> Ice_Strike: "without booting out from Windows?"
[20:42] <phunyguy> I wasn't nitpicking.. I was saying it could be supported...
[20:42] <emdik> why is that my laptop's visible on the network when plugged into the router but it isn't when using wifi?
[20:43] <JoshDreamland> Why's the latest libbox2d-dev from the stone age?
[20:43] <broknbottle> emdik: firewall applied to different interfaces? need more information
[20:43] <yasser> slt
[20:43] <leftyfb> emdik: define visible on the network
[20:43] <samir__> I have a problem in netbeans in ubuntu error message: when I compile Have no file for / usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-i386/jre/lib/netx.jar  Have no file for / usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-i386/jre/lib/plugin.jar   I am a beginner
[20:44] <stercor> Why is WUBI not recommended and whatis the recommended way?  I have a bricked computer that won't even in stall Ubuntu desktop.
[20:44] <usr13> Ice_Strike: A regular install will mean that you set aside hard drive space for the install, (shrink existing partition(s) or install on second HD).
[20:44] <emdik> I cannot ping my laptop from my desktop when using wifi (recently upgraded to ubuntu 12.10)
[20:44] <usr13> Ice_Strike: ...or existing free space.
[20:44] <emdik> the router isn't listing my laptop as a connected device
[20:44] <leftyfb> stercor: If the computer is bricked, how are you able to run windows but not install ubuntu?
[20:44] <bekks> stercor: WUBI requires a working Windows installation, and the entire WUBI installation resides in one big file in windows.
[20:44] <MonkeyDust> !wifi | emdik start here
[20:44] <tonsofpcs> emdik: maybe you're not connected?
[20:45] <leftyfb> emdik: on your router you'll have a setting under wireless dictating "AP separation" or something along those lines
[20:45] <phunyguy> leftyfb: also, the guidelines ARE rules.  They are expected to be followed.
[20:45] <usr13> stercor: The recommended method is regular install.
[20:45] <leftyfb> phunyguy: incorrect
[20:45] <emdik> tonsofpcs: I am connected, as evidenced by me chatting here ^^
[20:45] <leftyfb> emdik: on your router you'll have a setting under wireless dictating "AP Isolation"
[20:45] <phunyguy> then why have them, leftyfb?
[20:45] <leftyfb> emdik: disable it
[20:45] <bekks> phunyguy: leftyfb: could you discuss the guidelines/rules somewhere else? :)
[20:46] <usr13> stercor: Describe the problem, (maybe we can help).
[20:46] <samir__> I have a problem in netbeans in ubuntu error message: when I compile Have no file for / usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-i386/jre/lib/netx.jar Have no file for / usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-i386/jre/lib/plugin.jar I am a beginner
[20:46] <stercor> usr13: IIRC, this allows Ubuntu to be installed along side another OS.
[20:46] <usr13> stercor: "IIRC"?
[20:46] <leftyfb> stercor: what error do you get when trying to boot the ubuntu live cd and install ubuntu?
[20:47] <emdik> leftyfb: I never enabled it; the problem is not persistent, I could ping an hour ago
[20:47] <stercor> usr13:  If I recall correctly.
[20:47] <leftyfb> emdik: are you sure you're pinging the correct ip? The wired and wireless interfaces will grab different ip's
[20:47] <emdik> leftyfb: my laptop isn't even listed as a connected device on the router management interface
[20:47] <usr13> stercor: Define "IIRC"
[20:47] <Fuzolan> why i cant set cpuset.cpu_exclusive on cgroups libvirt/qemu
[20:47] <leftyfb> usr13: "If I Recall Correctly"
[20:48] <sp3ck> emdik, think about changing router
[20:48] <MonkeyDust> usr13  he just said, IIRC means If I Recall Correctly
[20:48] <usr13> leftyfb: Define "this"
[20:48] <leftyfb> emdik: sounds like an issue with you connecting to wireless in general. Do you get an ip when connected? If so, can you ping it?
[20:48] <phunyguy> question... in Kubuntu, if I have my laptop closed, and unplug power, it goes to sleep. In Ubuntu, the same action won't make it sleep. If I close the lid with power removed, it sleeps, just not if the lid is already closed. Is there a workaround?
[20:48] <stercor> leftyfb: Either during BIOS boot or shortly after a screen showing the i86 registers and the program stops with an error.
[20:48] <emdik> leftyfb: I am on the wifi now
[20:49] <leftyfb> phunyguy: KDE and Gnome have different utilities and defaults for power settings
[20:49] <usr13> stercor: Is this a UEFI system?
[20:49] <Ice_Strike> usr13 Well On Disk2 - There are two set of NTFS partitions - I going to delete 1 partition and I let Ubunto install it.
[20:49] <emdik> leftyfb: I have an ip and I can connect to irc
[20:49] <Ice_Strike> Ubuntu*
[20:49] <phunyguy> leftyfb: this I know, just wondering if there is a way to make it work.
[20:49] <leftyfb> stercor: : what error?
[20:49] <MK`> Ok, tried another install of Ubuntu... when I boot it up, it just goes to a flashing screen :( not sure where to go next.
[20:49] <leftyfb> phunyguy: yes, in the power settings
[20:50] <usr13> leftyfb: UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the  BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[20:50] <stercor> usr13: I don't know.  It's a friend's computer.  How do I find out?
[20:50] <leftyfb> usr13: sorry, don't recall asking for that answer
[20:50] <usr13> Ice_Strike: How large is that 1 partition?
[20:50] <usr13> leftyfb: Sorry that was for stercor
[20:51] <Ice_Strike> usr13 159GB
[20:51] <anew>  Invalid borders specified for theme pixmap i keep getting this error in lubuntu ?
[20:51] <usr13> Ice_Strike: Nice.
[20:51] <phunyguy> leftyfb: sorry, the only option in power settings is to sleep on close when it is already unplugged.
[20:51] <LoneTrooper> MK' ubuntu have problems with their default window manager unity on certain graphic cards especially that applies for amd ati cards u should run in recovery mode and install property drivers
[20:51] <phunyguy> the SAME option in KDE will allow it to sleep IF closed and the power gets unplugged.
[20:51] <MK`> ok, can you help me with that LoneTrooper?
[20:51] <phunyguy> leftyfb: do you see the workflow I am talking about?
[20:52] <Ice_Strike> usr13 Should I use WUBI?
[20:52] <LoneTrooper> i had the same problem MK' its a problem even for xubuntu
[20:52] <LoneTrooper> when i booted pc after installing xubuntu i had blank screen
[20:52] <phunyguy> leftyfb: I want it to go to sleep if the lid is ALREADY closed and then I unplug the laptop.
[20:53] <stercor> usr13:  The label on the computer says >600MB
[20:53] <leftyfb> that's a lack of feature in the gnome-settings
[20:53] <phunyguy> my kid doesn't always remember to unplug and THEN close.
[20:53] <zykotick9> Ice_Strike: if you're going to go teh WUBI route, i'd suggest using virtualbox instead.
[20:53] <MK`> LoneTrooper: so I execute a shell on my root directory and install some things is all?
[20:53] <leftyfb> phunyguy: you would have to track down what the KDE app is actually doing in the backend and set it manually in gnome
[20:53] <phunyguy> leftyfb: yeah I am thinking some custom udev rules.
[20:53] <LoneTrooper> no mk' is your graphic card is amd ati? and if yes what model
[20:54] <phunyguy> leftyfb: that was more what I was asking for, not a canned "thats not a feature" answer.  :P
[20:54] <LoneTrooper> i  had same problem , blank screen or whole blank screen except toolbar that was flashing
[20:54] <MK`> yes, it's a Radeon HD 6950
[20:55] <LoneTrooper> i have radeon 6670 so we have radeon from 6xxx series
[20:55] <LoneTrooper> its drivers froblem
[20:55] <LoneTrooper> ur using open source drivers
[20:55] <govinda> how does one install the umuntu
[20:55] <stercor> usr13: gparted reports 481.14 MiB.  The DataTravler says 2GB on the side.
[20:55] <LoneTrooper> its good for ati cards from 7xxx series not 6xxx
[20:55] <LoneTrooper> u have to change driver
[20:55] <MK`> Please tell me how
[20:55] <LoneTrooper> ok wait
[20:55] <LoneTrooper> i have commands
[20:56] <LoneTrooper> prepared for this
[20:56] <LoneTrooper> cos i had to deal with this
[20:57] <thiefy> i have real vnc server installed, how can i be certain that when i reboot the computer, vnc server will start up and let me login?  this computer is headless, so you can see why it must start.
[20:57] <phunyguy> thiefy: why did you use realvnc?
[20:58] <phunyguy> and are you using Ubuntu Desktop?
[20:59] <thiefy> phunyguy, cause it works without a fight unlike the built in methods.
[20:59] <phunyguy> thiefy: are you using Ubuntu Desktop?
[20:59] <thiefy> like xvncserver and tightvncserver packages ya can get.
[21:00] <thiefy> i am, but the server is running lubuntu
[21:00] <thiefy> well, actually, i'm on windows right now...
[21:00] <phunyguy> thiefy: on the machine you are talking about, are you using Ubuntu Desktop?
[21:00] <thiefy> no, the server is lubuntu desktop.
[21:00] <phunyguy> thanks.
[21:00] <phunyguy> thiefy: http://superuser.com/questions/146457/how-do-i-add-startup-applications-in-lubuntu-lxde
[21:00] <thiefy> it's headless, but has a full X and stuff installed.
[21:01] <leftyfb> thiefy: you'll want to use x11vnc and follow the tutorials on google for incorporating it into LXDM
[21:02] <MK`> Ready when you are LT
[21:02] <Phewk> i just a second ssd so i can have windows on one and linux on the other, where should i put the boot loader, so i can dual boot?
[21:02] <Phewk> just bought*
[21:02] <escott> Phewk, on the device the bios is configured to boot
[21:02] <leftyfb> Phewk: on the drive with linux on it ... unless that's the second drive in the BIOS, then put it on both
[21:02] <thiefy> leftyfb, i have vnc server already installed and fully working on the server / lubuntu computer.
[21:03] <Phewk> ok thanks!
[21:03] <phunyguy> thiefy: follow that guide to add realvnc to startup apps, and have lubuntu log in automaticallu.
[21:03] <phunyguy> s/u/y/
[21:03] <thiefy> phunyguy, ok. i'lll read. tahnks.
[21:04] <Logos01> Howdy folks. Anyone here had any luck getting snort-pgsql running?
[21:04] <leftyfb> thiefy: If LXDM is starting on boot, then you are wasting resources. LXDM us running, yet you're running an entirely different xserver with real vnc. If you don't have LXDM running on boot, then you can just put real vnc into /etc/rc.local
[21:04] <phunyguy> !ask | Logos01
[21:04] <Logos01> Specifically on a 12.04 amd64
[21:04] <civ> Does anyone know how to get the taskbar back down the bottom in 12.04
[21:04] <Logos01> phunyguy: that *WAS* the question.
[21:04] <Logos01> wtf.
[21:04] <leftyfb> phunyguy: how is he going to login if it's headless if he's adding vnc to startup(after login)?
[21:05] <phunyguy> Logos01: try asking the real question now, and watch your language.
[21:05] <Logos01> phunyguy: That. Was. The. Real. Question.
[21:05] <thiefy> leftyfb, i'm confused now. but i thik you are very correct.
[21:05] <Logos01> And don't be a twit.
[21:05] <phunyguy> !anyone | Logos01
[21:05] <Burritoh> /o\
[21:05] <hastur_> My custom wallpapers are not visible on login screen - only the default violet is displayed.  Which I didn't really not expect of people moderating this channel, but you're taking it to all new extremes.
[21:06] <phunyguy> wow...
[21:06] <Burritoh> I didn't really see a problem *shrug*
[21:06] <Burritoh> oh well
[21:07] <leftyfb> thiefy: A default install of LXDE will install LXDM (desktop manager/greeter) that asks you to login. If you're running that, then you don't want to be using real VNC. You want to tie x11vnc into LXDM so you can login remotely and continue running a normal desktop. Otherwise, remove LXDM completely, continue using real vnc and add it to /etc/rc.local or create an init file for it and add it to the default runlevel startups
[21:07] <phunyguy> leftyfb: that may be a bit too complex for what he needs
[21:07] <leftyfb> phunyguy: incorrect
[21:07] <thiefy> leftyfb, i should say it's peppermint (not lubuntu) if that changes anything.   sorry, i forgot about that.
[21:08] <Inglorious`> does some one know a nice conf file of apache 2 for upstart?
[21:08] <phunyguy> thiefy: that really changes things
[21:08] <thiefy> sorry.
[21:08] <leftyfb> thiefy: of course you did, which is why I removed you from the other channel. But with regards to your issue, it shouldn't matter.
[21:08] <phunyguy> and leftyfb, is he making it a terminal-server of sorts, to have multiple users using their own desktop?
[21:08] <leftyfb> phunyguy: he never mentioned multiple users
[21:08] <zykotick9> Inglorious`: if you installed apache through repo, it should already be there
[21:09] <thiefy> i wouldn't need multiple users logging in.
[21:09] <leftyfb> If he wants multiple users, then LXDM + x11vnc will be his only choice
[21:09] <phunyguy> leftyfb: that is why I suggested he leave it logging in automatically, and thn running whatever vnc server he wants under that session.
[21:09] <leftyfb> phunyguy: insecure
[21:09] <stercor> Is there a lower-level utility than GParted?
[21:09] <phunyguy> leftyfb: how?
[21:09] <leftyfb> stercor: lower level?
[21:09] <leftyfb> phunyguy: automatic login is insecure
[21:09] <stercor> Down on the bare metal.
[21:10] <Inglorious`> zykotick9: it isnt
[21:10] <Inglorious`> I checked
[21:10] <leftyfb> stercor: there's no low-level partitioning anymore
[21:10] <phunyguy> is it a home server, leftyb, thiefy?
[21:10] <thiefy> i do like leftyfb 's idea of not running two X servers. i should boot to a shell right? and then have rc.local somehow start the x11vnc
[21:10] <zykotick9> Inglorious`: is this xampp?
[21:10] <Inglorious`> no
[21:10] <leftyfb> thiefy: yes
[21:10] <appel> im trying to do http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1599293 , but i cant find the Grub modules anywhere. aint the included in the download?
[21:10] <Inglorious`> I installed ith from default repos
[21:10] <stercor> GParted still reports 481.84 MiB on the 2GiB and 64GiB devices.
[21:10] <thiefy> yes. home. not really a server. just a normal peppermint  install cept it doesn't have / need a monitor attached to it.
[21:11] <Inglorious`> zykotick9
[21:11] <leftyfb> stercor: delete the partitions. Or you have some limitation in your motherboard/BIOS
[21:11] <Inglorious`> I have a standard shelkl script in /etc/init.d
[21:11] <escott> stercor, is that not just the partitioned size? is it not showing empty space at the end? what does "sudo parted -l" show
[21:11] <thiefy> leftyfb, how can i make this rc.local make x11vnc start automatically?
[21:11] <phunyguy> thiefy: linux mint?
[21:11] <Inglorious`> no symlink to upstart
[21:11] <zykotick9> Inglorious`: perhaps it's still using inti.d and not upstart then
[21:11] <thiefy> no, it's peppermint.  a mod of lubuntu
[21:12] <Inglorious`> zykotick9: my guess to
[21:12] <Inglorious`> too
[21:12] <phunyguy> never heard of it, but probably borderline not-supported here.
[21:12] <stercor> My main disc which is recognized is 600GiB on the netbook and 2TeB on the desktop.
[21:12] <thiefy> it's quite close to lubuntu.
[21:12] <leftyfb> thiefy: x11vnc will tie into LXDE .. there should/might be tutorials on it. I know there are tutorials for GDM
[21:12] <phunyguy> however if you get help that is cool too
[21:12] <stercor> s/disc/disk/
[21:13] <phunyguy> thiefy: yes, but once new repos are added that arent maintained by *ubuntu, thats where it starts to lean towards being not supported.
[21:13] <zykotick9> stercor: is this 2TB or 2GB?
[21:13] <leftyfb> thiefy: the startup (after getting it to work with LXDM) will be: x11vnc -forever -usepw -noxdamage
[21:13] <stercor> 2 terabytes.
[21:13] <AcidRain2013> stercor: perhaps you have 2 partitions that are of different filetypes?
[21:13] <thiefy> leftyfb, how do i impliment that last thing you just said there?   in rc.local.  (i've never messed with rc.local
[21:14] <zykotick9> stercor: and i'll get it's attached by USB right?  i couldn't address all my 3TB drive until i attached it with SATA, through USB it was all wrong/messed up.  perhaps your having the same situation?
[21:14] <leftyfb> thiefy: sudo echo "x11vnc -forever -usepw -noxdamage"|tee /etc/rc.local
[21:14] <stercor> AcidRain2013: Plain vanilla 12.10 install.
[21:14] <zykotick9> s/get/guess/
[21:14] <leftyfb> thiefy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1868554    first result on google for "lxdm x11vnc"
[21:15] <AcidRain2013> stercor: is this drive internal or external?
[21:15] <bekks> leftyfb: that will not work. echo "..." | sudo tee ... would be correct.
[21:15] <thiefy> leftyfb, i didn't know i was running lxdm. i thought it was xfce. (that's how 'smart' i am) hehe.
[21:15] <stercor> AcidRain2013: Internal
[21:15] <leftyfb> bekks: thank you for the correction
[21:15] <AcidRain2013> so how are you attaching it to your notebook?
[21:16] <AcidRain2013> netbook*
[21:16] <leftyfb> bekks: doing a few things at once ... as usual
[21:16] <stercor> I'm not.  The desktop unfortunately has no connection to the router.
[21:16] <stercor> That will be fixed next week.
[21:16] <thiefy> so i shouldn't paste taht line he put there bekks?
[21:16] <AcidRain2013> ... you are gaining access from your netbook as ftp?
[21:16] <bekks> thiefy: Yes, because it will not work as expected.
[21:17] <thiefy> poop.
[21:17] <stercor> We have three machines here: the netbook, the desktop, and the bricked computer.
[21:17] <leftyfb> thiefy: echo "x11vnc -forever -usepw -noxdamage"|sudo tee /etc/rc.local
[21:17] <AcidRain2013> bricked comp. lol.
[21:17] <stercor> netbook and desktop work as advertised.
[21:17] <leftyfb> the first one won't do anything
[21:17] <leftyfb> thiefy: the first command won't do anything, the 2nd one that bekks corrected and I just posted will
[21:17] <AcidRain2013> stercor: so what is the issue? you have a 2tb drive in your desktop, you gain access to it with the netbook using ftp?
[21:17] <bekks> stercor: Did you mess up a firmware update? Why is it bricked?
[21:18] <stercor> bekks: I've not done any firmware upgrades.
[21:18] <phunyguy> leftyfb: also I found a filed bug for my power management issue.  1016576
[21:18] <AcidRain2013> if the desktop has no connection to the router, then how do you know it is only showing 600gib>
[21:18] <AcidRain2013> ?*
[21:18] <leftyfb> phunyguy: I don't think it's a bug. I think it's a feature request
[21:18] <thiefy> thank you leftyfb and bekks
[21:19] <Ronalds_Mz> downloading 1 half life
[21:19] <Ronalds_Mz> from steam
[21:19] <Ronalds_Mz> just bought it
[21:19] <phunyguy> possibly.
[21:19] <AcidRain2013> stercor: still sounds like 2 different partitions. perhaps 1 with extx on the desktop linux comp, and ntfs for the windows netbook
[21:19] <thiefy> leftyfb, so now, wouldn't i be able to make it boot to a shell instead of to a gui?
[21:19] <stercor> Um...router connection is not related to disk capacity?
[21:19] <AcidRain2013> stercor: even if your drive was going out, it shouldnt be read as having 2 different volume sizes
[21:19] <AcidRain2013> router connection has nothing to do with disk capacity...
[21:20] <AcidRain2013> there is a difference between memory, and disk space, and connectivity rly
[21:20] <leftyfb> thiefy: you need to follow the link I posted to get x11vnc to work with LXDM
[21:20] <stercor> AcidRain2013: I'm not making myself clear.  Two computers (netbook, desktop) work fine.  The third doesn't.
[21:20] <AcidRain2013> stercor: so you are trying to fix the 3rd computer?
[21:20] <stercor> Yes.
[21:20] <AcidRain2013> :/
[21:20] <AcidRain2013> is the hdd out? do you know how to test it?
[21:21] <stercor> By installing Ubuntu.
[21:21] <stercor> I'll look into a BIOS check.
[21:21] <AcidRain2013> stercor: im sry i didnt have much time to try and help. but i have to head off to work.
[21:21] <phunyguy> leftyfb: I called it a bug because that is what it is called in launchpad.
[21:21] <AcidRain2013> afk
[21:22]  * stercor is retired... :~~~
[21:22] <stercor> ;-)
[21:22] <leftyfb> phunyguy: it will be a feature request in the upstream gnome project page for the power settings app
[21:22] <phunyguy> ok.
[21:23] <Ntemis> how i setup /dev/md0 for hdd to sleep after some minutes?
[21:24] <leftyfb> Ntemis: you don't
[21:24] <leftyfb> Ntemis: md0 is a partition, not a drive
[21:24] <bekks> leftyfb: Thats wrong.
[21:24] <Ntemis> yes its raid0 partition with 4 drives
[21:24] <bekks> leftyfb: /dev/md0 is a RAID _device_.
[21:24] <leftyfb> sorry, not partition
[21:24] <Ntemis> yes but they are costant on
[21:24] <leftyfb> but it's not a drive
[21:24] <bekks> leftyfb: It doesnt need to be one.
[21:25] <Ntemis> i need them to go to sleep after 5 min of no usage
[21:25] <bekks> Ntemis: You can configure the powermanagement for every drive that builds /dev/md0
[21:25] <Ntemis> its a server
[21:25] <Ntemis> know the command?
[21:25] <bekks> Ntemis: You can use smartctl to do so.
[21:26] <leftyfb> bekks: if he has md1, md2, md3 ,etc, those will all "sleep" as well
[21:26] <Ntemis> i dont
[21:26] <Ntemis> is only md0
[21:26] <thiefy> leftyfb, i added the file to ~/.config/autostart/     and i have pasted in a terminal the line you said tehre with the echo.... | tee .... stuff.     am i on the right track?
[21:26] <leftyfb> thiefy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1868554    first result on google for "lxdm x11vnc"
[21:26] <leftyfb> thiefy: if you use autostart, then you don't need /etc/rc.local
[21:27] <Ntemis> smartctl  isnt for getting samrt status?
[21:27] <leftyfb> thiefy: also, the autostart file will need to be a .desktop file/format
[21:27] <Ntemis> smart status
[21:28] <thiefy> leftyfb, i made the autostart file as a .desktop file. it was quite basic.  so, i guess i should get rid of that rc.local line i did eh?
[21:28] <leftyfb> thiefy: yeah .. but for any of this to work, you still need to tie it into LXDM, unless you have your machine auto-login
[21:28] <bekks> Ntemis: Well, look at the options provided for smartctl.
[21:29] <Ntemis> ok
[21:29] <Ntemis> thanks
[21:29] <kickingvegas> hi folks - anybody know of a network MIDI driver for ubuntu that works like the one on the Mac?
[21:29] <leftyfb> kickingvegas: I'm not sure but this might be a good place to start: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/What%20is%20JACK
[21:30] <Korejora> I created a problem by meddling in affairs beyond my comprehension... :c ... My wireless is freezing Ubuntu whenever it connects to a network. I suspect I installed the wrong driver, but I installed it with some commandline instructions I found in a support thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2071830 and I don't understand enough of what I did to uninstall the driver (or to know whether it's even the problem). What do ?
[21:32] <genadi> guys, where do I get support for 13.04?
[21:32] <genadi> I got a problem with installing samba server
[21:32] <zastern> Every time I try to change network settings by editing /etc/network/interfaces and then restarting networking i get - Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces - What is the proper way to reload network settings then?
[21:32] <Ntemis> bekks: found hdparm
[21:33] <genadi> I've got this when trying to install samba under 13.04: http://codepad.org/5iwqmjpF
[21:34] <bekks> !+1|genadi
[21:34] <OerHeks> !13.04
[21:34] <compdoc> genadi, #ubuntu+1
[21:35] <genadi> thank companion
[21:35] <genadi> compdoc,
[21:37] <SlicedSun> ANY SWEDISH PEOPLE HER?
[21:37] <herent> hello - I'm wondering if there's anyone around that knows about customizing keyboard and mouse buttons?
[21:39] <escott> !ops | dirtypillows ShameSpiral nickspam
[21:39] <jmfurlott> Anybody running Ubuntu on the last Macbook air?  Wondering how it is working as I couldn't get it working a few months ago
[21:40] <Myrtti> escott: eh?
[21:40] <SlicedSun> SWEDEN???????????????
[21:41] <escott> Myrtti, once every hour or so he does that (more annoyed by the offensive nature of the nicknames themselves than the spam)
[21:41] <Ntemis> what does this mean? drive state is:  active/idle
[21:41] <Ntemis> with sudo hdparm -C /dev/sdx
[21:42] <joshneedshelp> Hello?
[21:42] <Ntemis> is active OR idle
[21:42] <escott> Ntemis, the drive is active and idle. what else would it mean
[21:42] <Ntemis> lol
[21:42] <k1l> !se | SlicedSun
[21:42] <Ntemis> is power down?
[21:42] <Ntemis> i need it to power down when not in use
[21:42] <escott> Ntemis, active vs powered down, idle vs reading/writing at that moment
[21:42] <joshneedshelp> Hello, I am trying to install Ubuntu on a laptop and I am having some problems, could some one help me?
[21:42] <Ntemis> escott: oh thanks
[21:42] <Ntemis> clear
[21:43] <joshneedshelp> Anyone?
[21:43] <bekks> joshneedshelp: Not without you actually telling us about the details of your installation problems.
[21:43] <yeats> joshneedshelp: just describe your problem - maybe someone can help
[21:43] <joshneedshelp> Am I in the correct channel? I require help.
[21:44] <k1l> !ask | joshneedshelp
[21:44] <joshneedshelp> ah thanks
[21:47] <joshneedshelp> !ask So I am in the process of installing Ubuntu 12.04 Desktop onto my brand new Dell laptop. It was previously running windows 8 just fine. I have been trying to install Ubuntu via usb and I have used all manner of programs to do it such as live linux and others that the ubuntu website prescribed. It worked fine when using the usb the first time but it encountered an error when it was installing so I simply turned the machine
[21:47] <joshneedshelp> !ask
[21:47] <joshneedshelp> acknowlege that it can boot from a usb
[21:48] <thiefy> phunyguy, you followed what i was up to, could you help with this ---> this guide says this:   at the command prompt, type in: sudo nano /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf   except i do not have that file. could it in a diff spot or named soemthing else?
[21:48] <Ntemis> escott: putting this command in hdpam.conf will work?
[21:48] <Ntemis> this: /dev/sda {spindown_time = 60  # 5 min}
[21:48] <Ntemis> and repeat for all 4 hdds
[21:49] <Myrtti> joshneedshelp: you got cut off at "I simply turned the machin" - IRC has a length limit to one message.
[21:50] <TheLordOfTime> joshneedshelp, don't prepend '!ask' to anything, you can just ask without it (there's no bot regulation here for that).  as well, you got cut off, as Myrtti said.
[21:50] <TheLordOfTime> since there's a message length limit
[21:50] <joshneedshelp> I amI simply turned the machine off and retryed. Now after numerous retries with 2 usb sticks and many different programs the machine doesnt acknowlege that it can start up from any of them
[21:51] <escott> Ntemis, it should
[21:51] <joshneedshelp> It shows that they are connected it but nothing happens when i boot from them
[21:51] <VLanX> Hello guys, i would make grub invisible on my system since i only have ubuntu 12.10 now, could anyone help me out?
[21:51] <TheLordOfTime> joshneedshelp, what was the error you ran into?
[21:51] <nibbler__> joshneedshelp: so before you could boot from the usb sticks, now you can't? did your recreate them like you did in the first place?
[21:52] <joshneedshelp> I was able to boot once and then it refused to afterwards.
[21:52] <joshneedshelp> There isnt a particular error message
[21:52] <joshneedshelp> Would you like me to type what it says?
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> joshneedshelp, it would give you an error message during installation, or ask to report it as a bug if its a crash
[21:53] <escott> Ntemis, the comment character usually goes to the end of the line
[21:53] <escott> Ntemis, so the } should probably be inside it
[21:53] <joshneedshelp> The first time it did give me an error message and I, very stupidly disregarded it and tryed to do it again. Now I dont even get to the installation screen.
[21:53] <Korejora> Is it feasible to install a network adapter that only has drivers for Windows?
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> joshneedshelp, my suggestion is to use another system to recreate the LiveUSB again.  and then try again.
[21:54] <joshneedshelp> Another system?
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> joshneedshelp, but this time, don't  disregard the installation error messgaes :P
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> joshneedshelp, or whatever system you can.
[21:54] <joshneedshelp> Im am quite a beginner, I just want to learn!
[21:54] <phunyguy> thiefy: sorry, not really a lxde user
[21:54] <TheLordOfTime> joshneedshelp, by "another system" i meant a system that works :P
[21:55] <phunyguy> and I dont have an LXDE install currently
[21:55] <Ntemis> escott: dev/sdd {spindown_time = 60}  # 5 min <-like this?
[21:55] <thiefy> it's ok, phunyguy thanks anyway.
[21:55] <juan`>  /leave
[21:55] <TheLordOfTime> joshneedshelp, how did you get the USB for installation in the first place?  did you download the ISO and use unetbootin or something to write it to the USB?
[21:55] <escott> Ntemis, probably
[21:56] <joshneedshelp> I dowloaded the ISO off of ubuntu.com and then used live linux to write the usb
[21:56] <joshneedshelp> When using live linux it ways it doesnt recognize it and it says it uses the parameters for 12.10
[21:56] <joshneedshelp> which I am not installin, im installing 12.04
[21:57] <Pelo> afternoon folks , I'm trying to get a few programs to stast on boot but I'm having difficulties because they requires -options,   I tried plain I tried with "" but no go , recommendations ?
[21:57] <appel> ive installed Linux by windows installer, but shouldent i get a boot option when starting the comp? they are at different hardrives
[21:58] <Pelo> appel,  you go straight into windows ?
[21:58] <appel> yea
[21:59] <VLanX> Hello guys, i would make grub invisible on my system since i only have ubuntu 12.10 now, could anyone help me out?
[22:00] <Pelo> appel,  try this,  when first booting, after the bios screen and before windows start to launch,  hit  the esc key , that usualy gets you in grub boot menu, from there you can boot ubuntu and then you can change the grub settings for  a menu each time and a delay
[22:00] <Pelo> appel,  I don'T knwo how to make those changes however you'll have to look them up on google
[22:00] <joshneedshelp> TheLordOfTime, the message I get is "internal hard disk drive not found to resolve this issue try to reset the drive. no bootable devices--strike f1 to try to reboot, f2 enter setup menu, f5 enter psa"
[22:00] <Pelo> need to reboot
[22:01] <appel> escape did not work :/
[22:01] <joshneedshelp> appel it could be f12 or f2
[22:01] <appel> ill try
[22:01] <appel> rebootin it atm.
[22:01] <appel> what menu am I looking for?
[22:01] <appel> boot menu?
[22:01] <joshneedshelp> Yeah
[22:02] <appel> ye, f12, says windows boot manager
[22:02] <appel> nothing else
[22:02] <joshneedshelp> Thats it
[22:02] <joshneedshelp> i think
[22:02] <Pelo> appel,   try  F8 on boot to select the boot drive then
[22:02] <appel> ive gotten to the boot menu Pelo , says windows boot manager, nothing else
[22:03] <thiefy> how come in some config files there are lines commented out with a #  and some with a ;   (is it that the ;  ones are ones that you should change or something?)
[22:03] <Pelo> appel, ubuntn and windows are on different drives ?
[22:03] <appel> yea
[22:03] <Pelo> physical drives that is ?
[22:03] <appel> yup
[22:03] <Pelo> have you tried with F8 &
[22:03] <Pelo> ?
[22:03] <escott> thiefy, depends on the program. i think ";" is common in lisp languages, "#" in shell
[22:04] <thiefy> escott, i see this in smbd.conf....
[22:04] <appel> Pelo: ,not f8, f12 brought up my boot menu, ill try f8 aswell. sec
[22:04] <Tesla_> anyone online ? xD
[22:04] <joshneedshelp> yes
[22:04] <thiefy> escott, but the point is, they are both ways of commenting out lines right?
[22:04] <jrib> thiefy: in samba?  Yes, both are comments and there's a convention as to which one is used for informational comments vs. commented configuration options that you can use by uncommenting
[22:04] <Pelo> appel, in the bios, change your boot drive to the ubuntu drive and see what happens with the esc key
[22:04] <Tesla_> any linux geek here :D ?
[22:05] <thiefy> ok, jrib that makes sense. (i see it in /etc/samba/smb.conf ) is where i meant i saw it a lot.
[22:05] <Tesla_> i need some tips
[22:05] <Pelo> Tesla_, just ask your quesitons and we'll try to answer
[22:05] <thiefy> Tesla_, bet on black.
[22:05] <Korejora> Sooo... I take it wireless is a huge ordeal in Ubuntu.
[22:05] <skorv> hey guyz... maybe you can help me
[22:05] <Tesla_> cuz I am new user, i used linux before, but now i want to use forever :D
[22:06] <Pelo> !ask | Tesla_ skorv
[22:06] <Tesla_> Im also intersted in hacking network , wifi :D
[22:06] <appel> Pelo:  nothing :/
[22:06] <skorv> i'm setting up a ubuntu 12.04 using the alternative iso so i can use full disk encryption right from the start
[22:07] <Pelo> appel,  can you boot into ubuntu at all ?
[22:07] <skorv> is it possible to set it to use a key instead of a  passphrase ?
[22:07] <appel> nope, cant find it anywhere
[22:08] <Zahid> guys what is the best quality screen recording software for ubuntu
[22:08] <Zahid> I need some tips
[22:08] <Tesla_> Anyone knows good sites where i can learn more things ? :D
[22:08] <Pelo> appel, my suggestion, for what it's worth is this,  install ubuntu from a live cd. from scratch,  on the last step of the install it should ask you to check the install param. among which where the bootloader goes,  if you let your windows drive as the boot drive the bootloader (grub) should be on hd0
[22:09] <causasui> there was a page about how to rescue a locked X session. anyone remember ?
[22:09] <causasui> i just want to reload xfce without killing running apps
[22:09] <Pelo> Tesla_, google.com
[22:09] <Tesla_> xD
[22:09] <appel> the problem Pelo  is that i cant get a live cd to boot, as i have a Uefi z2760 intel atom board. :/
[22:09] <Tesla_> Hmmm, someone have problem with bootloader ?
[22:09] <appel> the only thing ive gotten to boot is grubloader 1.99
[22:09] <joshneedshelp> So can anyone else help me with my problem?
[22:09] <Pelo> skorv, where do you want this ? for login ? you can do an automated login look in the settings
[22:10] <joshneedshelp> I had typed it all above
[22:10] <Pelo> appel, isn'T that a 386 board ?
[22:10] <escott> thiefy, depending on the language. ";" is not a comment in bash shell
[22:11] <Pelo> appel, what architecture of ubuntu are you trying to run ?  there are only  amd64, 386 and powerpc as far as I know,  if your board can'T run any of those then installing it through windows won'T change anything
[22:11] <skorv> Pelo: nop... its for a dualboot laptop that i use for work... simply want my data safe...
[22:11] <appel> clover field , might be yea. its running a 32bit Win8 right now
[22:11] <samir_> i have a problem in ubuntu
[22:11] <appel> ive tried the desktop 32bit for now
[22:12] <skorv> Pelo: windows 8 is running bitlocker with key on usb... just wanted to do a similar thing for my linux install
[22:12] <Pelo> skorv, you can always try with a one carracter passoword
[22:12] <Pelo> skorv, that's out of my range
[22:12] <skorv> can i add a key after the instalation is done?
[22:12] <sayd> im using a cloud image of quantal, and i can't seem to ssh out from it. is this normal? via vagrant
[22:13] <sayd> seems that network is unreachable. i am using bridged mode
[22:13] <joshneedshelp> Would a 32 bit ubuntu install work on a 64 bit system?
[22:14] <appel> Pelo: I feel like ive tried it all :<
[22:14] <zykotick9> joshneedshelp: yes.
[22:15] <joshneedshelp> Thanks zykotick
[22:15] <Pelo> have you tried just booting from the hdd ubuntu is installed on ?
[22:15] <appel> yea
[22:16] <ubuntunoob> Helo im trying to dinstall jhbuilder but when i do jhbuild checksanity it gives me this: instal prefix (opt/gnome) can not be created. what should i do?
[22:16] <anunnaki> hi. anyone from south africa in here? trying to hunt down an old friend who helped me learn linux with using ubuntu.. he hung out in here
[22:16] <Pelo> appel,  and I'M assuming there isn'T an icon inside windows to launch ubuntu ?
[22:17] <appel> hmm, not that ive found. checked the disk, theres the icon and an uninstall exe
[22:17] <ubuntunoob> Hello im trying to dinstall jhbuilder but when i do jhbuild checksanity it gives me this: instal prefix (opt/gnome) can not be created. what should i do?
[22:18] <Pelo> appel,  i'M out of Ideas, maybe one of the others
[22:18] <anunnaki> ubuntunoob, no need to repost... we see your emssage
[22:18] <Pelo> brb , rebooting
[22:20] <anunnaki> i know its like finding a need in a haystack but worth a shot. looking for this guy who lives in S. Africa and has his own server/network business. i forgot his name.
[22:21] <darkhelmet46> can anyone give me a hand with ubuntu-webapps?
[22:23] <Cyber_Akuma> Do these ALSA sound drivers come preinstalled with Linux Mint? Or there any other alternate drivers I can use to see if I can get my soundcard to work?
[22:24] <myersg> I need help with my kernel
[22:24] <myersg> I installed 3.0.0 and need to boot into it
[22:24] <myersg> but when I hold the shift key when boot, it goes to the options menu for grub, but doesn't let me do anything
[22:24] <myersg> so I need to change the preference to boot into it from file on ubuntu
[22:25] <erle-> where does firefox store cached files in current version?
[22:25] <joshneedshelp> Akuma perhaps you should take your question to the Mint IRC channel
[22:26] <danktamagachi> hi, i installed kubuntu on top of my ubuntu install and now my defaults are all messed up. how do I go back to no KDE framework?
[22:27] <danktamagachi> get rid of default okular, etc
[22:31] <TuxBlackEdo> can someone help me with this error: "subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status status 245" http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ULY5nuPV I have been googling for hours now, a lot of solutions that worked for others but didn't work for me (including apt-get clean/reinstall/purge/dist-upgrade/ etc)
[22:32] <TuxBlackEdo> I really don't want to do a clean reinstall
[22:32] <ClientAlive> I'm having a problem with oracle 11g on ubuntu. I run 12.04 desktop and the insall seems to have gone successfully (though it was a beast to install). Now, when I do "dbstart $ORACLE_HOME" Iget a command not found error. Any idea what I can do to fix this?
[22:33] <invisime> I'm having trouble getting any sound in zsnes when xbmc is running on my ubuntu 12.10 minimal installation. what do?
[22:33] <invisime> ClientAlive: what happens if you run `which dbstart`?
[22:34] <ubuntunoob> Hello im trying to install jhbuilder but when i do jhbuild checksanity it gives me this: instal prefix (opt/gnome) can not be created. what should i do?
[22:34] <ClientAlive> invisime: running which dbstart just gets me a new command line (nothing printed to the screen)
[22:35] <invisime> ClientAlive: that means you don't have dbstart installed anywhere on your computer that linux knows about. how did you install 11g?
[22:36] <darkhelmet46> has anyone had any success getting Unity Web Apps to work with Chrome?
[22:36] <ClientAlive> invisime: like this -> http://www.makina-corpus.org/blog/howto-install-oracle-11g-ubuntu-linux-1204-precise-pangolin-64bits
[22:37] <invisime> ClientAlive: what happens if you do `echo $ORACLE_HOME`?
[22:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Is the flashplugin-installer broken?
[22:37] <ClientAlive> invisime: except I couldn't find the advanced install and when I had the opportunity I selected "desktop install" in the installer and proceeded that way. I kept the default paths (which were slightly different than on that web page) but was very careful to take that into account as I completed the install.
[22:38] <ClientAlive> invisime: /opt/oracle/app/oracle/product/11.2.0/dbhome_1
[22:38] <SonikkuAmerica> It seems to be. Ubuntu yells at me because flashplugin-installer wants additional downloads, then I authenticate and the download fails silently.
[22:39] <bekks> ClientAlive: That path does not follow the OFA.
[22:39] <TuxBlackEdo> does gnome have a support channel?
[22:39] <ClientAlive> invisime: what is OFA?
[22:40] <invisime> ClientAlive: is dbstart in /opt/oracle/app/oracle/product/11.2.0/bin?
[22:40] <bekks> ClientAlive: OFA is the Oracle File Architecture, which should be followed. And dbstart/dbshut is to be found in $ORACLE_HOME/bin/
[22:40] <SonikkuAmerica> TuxBlackEdo: An unofficial one: #gnome
[22:41] <bekks> ClientAlive: And dbstart does not necessarilly display anything on the screen.
[22:41] <ClientAlive> invisime: ls -al /opt/oracle/app/oracle/product/11.2.0/bin   <- gives -> ls: cannot access /opt/oracle/app/oracle/product/11.2.0/bin: No such file or directory
[22:41] <bekks> ClientAlive: Then you dont have Oracle installed :)
[22:42] <ClientAlive> I don't under4stand. Please let me post a screenshot of what I saw after the install completed
[22:42] <ClientAlive> one moment
[22:42] <bekks> ClientAlive: And btw, from the point of Oracle: Ubuntu is not a supported host OS.
[22:43] <bekks> So far, so good. gn8. :)
[22:43] <ClientAlive> bekks: yes, I understand. I see people succeeding with it though. So I thought I'd give it a try.
[22:44] <emdik> what is the status of open source broadcom wifi drivers in ubuntu 12.10?
[22:44] <bekks> ClientAlive: For a production system, it is pointless. It isnt supported, and basically you are on your own in case of dire need of Oracle support.
[22:44] <emdik> I am debugging some network issues which might be stemming from a wifi driver problem
[22:44] <invisime> is there some way to tell whether a particular process is using pulse or just alsa for its audio?
[22:45] <darkhelmet46> has anyone had any success getting Unity Web Apps to work with Chromium?
[22:45] <Skynetik> xaiy
[22:45] <invisime> I think xbmc is stealing the ability for audio away from everything else on my system.
[22:45] <Skynetik> k2 rulit
[22:45] <emdik> invisime: you can check pavucontrol to get a list of processes using pulseaudio
[22:45] <Skynetik> xeros rulit
[22:46] <invisime> emdik: I don't have a desktop installed. I'm on ubuntu 12.10 minimal with just ssh and xbmc installed.
[22:46] <invisime> hence suspecting that xbmc is grabbing alsa raw.
[22:46] <kostkon> invisime, fuser -v /dev/snd/*
[22:46] <Skynetik> skynet onlyne 246085
[22:46] <ClientAlive> There is this which I thougt indicated a succefull install: http://i.imgur.com/C49Aiez.jpg  <- perhaps I screwed something up on the command line along the way
[22:47] <Skynetik> y
[22:47] <invisime> kostkon: it says the user is the xbmc use and xbmc.bin is listed as the command.
[22:47] <kostkon> invisime, is xbmc supposed to have pulseuadio?
[22:48] <invisime> kostkon: I'd like it to run through pulse audio, yes.
[22:48] <emdik> invisime: I don't know what are the dependencies of xmbc but you might have X installed, so pavucontrol might available; you can also try pacmd, which is a command-line utility
[22:48] <invisime> kostkon: because I'm going to use it to launch other apps which will need audio.
[22:48] <ClientAlive> invisime: emdik: does that not indicate it is installed? or no?
[22:49] <kostkon> invisime, then that process is blocking pulseaudio from accessing your sound card. pulseaudio needs to have exclusive access to your hardware to work
[22:49] <invisime> kostkon: is there any reasonable way to set that up short of reinstalling the whole shebang? :-/
[22:50] <invisime> emdik: pacmd says "No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon." which seems to support what kostkon's saying is happening.
[22:50] <kostkon> invisime, no idea. i dont know the internals of xbmc.
[22:50] <invisime> kostkon: I think it's just starting via an init.d script.
[22:51] <invisime> kostkon: so maybe an initialization ordering problem of some sort?
[22:51] <emdik> ClientAlive: invisime: I checked that xbmc has x11-utils as a dependency so X should be installed
[22:51] <invisime> ClientAlive: I've never installed oracle on linux, so I really have no idea what it's supposed to look like.
[22:52] <invisime> emdik: right, but there's no window manager installed. no desktop.
[22:52] <kostkon> invisime, i think xbmc tries to be all in one solution, including being the sound server for your system?
[22:52] <kostkon> an*
[22:52] <ClientAlive> emdik: as in x window s;ystem?
[22:52] <invisime> kostkon: I'll look into configuring it to sit on top of pulseaudio.
[22:52] <emdik> ClientAlive: yes
[22:52] <kostkon> invisime, or maybe the opposite :P
[22:52] <ClientAlive> emdik: how can I check that?
[22:53] <ClientAlive> I thought I use that
[22:53] <emdik> my question: how can I use the brcmsmac driver on  my laptop?
[22:53] <invisime> kostkon: apparently there's a compile flag that makes xbmc ignore pulseaudio. the version I've got must've had that set. :-/
[22:53] <ClientAlive> emdik: man xorg brings up a man page
[22:54] <kostkon> invisime, haven't you install it from the ppa?
[22:54] <emdik> ClientAlive: the simplest check: try a 'startx' command and see what happens (altough I am not familiar with startx, I use the default Ubuntu login)
[22:55] <invisime> kostkon: no, I used a "configure everything!" script. it's actually led to a very stream-lined experience except for these audio problems when I try to launch zsnes via xbmc. here's the post about it: http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=141369
[22:55] <gene__> my lappy is demanding an ipv6 connection where there are none, how to fix please?
[22:55] <kostkon> invisime, oh right
[22:55] <gene__> running 10.04.4 LTS\
[22:56] <emdik> gene__: could you please elaborate?
[22:56] <kostkon> invisime, zsnes uses the libao lib for its audio
[22:56] <ClientAlive> emdik: I get "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting."  <-  so it exists I guess
[22:57] <invisime> kostkon: I can get zsnes to play with sound just fine by using alsa, actually. ...provided I kill xbmc.bin first. XD
[22:57] <kostkon> invisime, :/
[22:57] <invisime> kostkon: exactly.
[22:57] <redheat> hi everyone, hope you all doing great...
[22:58] <redheat> I gotta a question, it's a little bit tricky, hope anyone can just tell me what to do?
[22:58] <emdik> ClientAlive: oh, then it needs a sudo, I guess, so you have X
[22:58] <kostkon> invisime, there is snes9x, although yeah i know it's not as fast as zsnes
[22:59] <invisime> kostkon: still won't work with sound if xbmc has the handle.
[22:59] <ClientAlive> emdik: is it possible the stardb command is located somewhere I wouldn't expect and I can just link to it from /etc/init.d and be ok?
[22:59] <redheat> I already have Ubuntu, 12.10 installed and running smooth as silk, and it's 64 bit edition, and doing great from an external hard drive that is attached 24/7 to my HP touchsmart laptop..
[22:59] <ClientAlive> emdik: I mean if I can find it
[22:59] <invisime> kostkon: I'm looking at this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/145052/xbmc-passthrough-audio-and-pulse does it look like I'm on the right track?
[22:59] <invisime> redheat: don't ask to ask. just ask. :-)
[22:59] <gene__> My wireless stopped working, reason unk, but plugging in eth0 fails, it only tries for an ipv6 connection, and fails
[23:00] <kostkon> invisime, oh yeah, i can see you have the option to select pulseaudio as the output device. have you tried it?
[23:00] <gene__> this is even with all static commands in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:00] <redheat> now here's the catch, I want to install windows 7 professional, which I have it in ISO formal on my other external harddrive I want to install on my INternal harddrive, which is a brand new one..that I just bought? can linux help me with that.
[23:00] <redheat> invisime..roger that buddy..
[23:01] <emdik> ClientAlive: sorry, my knowledge of xbmc is zero, I only had an educated guess about X
[23:01] <redheat> MY question is how can install windows 7, in an ISO format from the same external harddrive, which has ubuntu on it, to my internal harddrive attached to my laptop..
[23:01] <gene__> Now its plugged straight into a 192.168.xx.xx hub but won't connect, statis or dhcp
[23:01] <redheat> this process is like a breeze under windows OS, but I haven't tried it under Linux
[23:01] <invisime> kostkon: my interface doesn't look exactly like that. I'm going to turn off the custom skin I have installed first.  (Might be a stupid ? but I gotta start somewhere)
[23:03] <redheat> OK let me simplify it like this? and let me put it in the form of question?
[23:04] <redheat> can I make my external harddrive which has Linux installed on it into a live CD?
[23:04] <invisime> kostkon: ok, I've set it to use the default now instead of the usb sound card I'm using (which it was apparently using directly). but it's only letting me pick from two passthroughs: the USB sound card and the internal one.
[23:04] <redheat> I mean I already have ubuntu installed and everything ,but can I make it run like a live cd..
[23:04] <invisime> redheat: are you just trying to boot from your external hard drive?
[23:04] <kostkon> invisime, is there an option to select pulse?
[23:04] <redheat> no, invisime, I
[23:05] <darkhelmet46> redheat, just go to your BIOS and edit your boot device order?
[23:05] <redheat> sorry, typo..just hold on guys, some of my keys are stuck..
[23:05] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: Are you saying you want to run it off your HDD to install it somewhere else?
[23:05] <redheat> again..I'm already booting from external harddrive, and I have Ubuntu installed on it..
[23:05] <gene__> No, router is dd-wrt
[23:06] <redheat> Yes sir, SonikkuAmerica..
[23:06] <redheat> that's right pal..
[23:06] <invisime> kostkon: no, pulse isn't on the list. I've got USB, S/PDIF; USB, Analog; On-board, S/PIDF; On-board, [name of chip]; and Default (USB, Analog)
[23:06] <redheat> I have the Windows ISO on the same external drive as Ubuntu, and I want to install it from that external harddrive unto my internal haddrive..
[23:06] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: I've never heard of anyone trying it...
[23:06] <kostkon> invisime, :/
[23:06] <sayd> can i take a vmdk and write it to a firewire drive to use for booting in osx?
[23:07] <darkhelmet46> redheat, just create a bootable flash drive with the Windows ISO?
[23:07] <kostkon> invisime, is that for the passthrough or the output device?
[23:07] <invisime> kostkon: there's also a "passthrough device", but that's just the S/PDIF on each chip...
[23:07] <redheat> If this external harddrive, was running windows, not ubuntu, this process would have been much easier..I know that for a fact because I tried it before, but this is the first time I do it under linux..no pun intended
[23:07] <invisime> kostkon: that first list was output device.
[23:08] <redheat> darkhelmet46, I don't have a flash drive at the moment, and I need to get that new internal harddrive up and running..
[23:08] <kostkon> invisime, and you have installed pulse and you have rebooted since then
[23:08] <nichos> hi all, i'm trying to get ampache setup with coherene, I'm following this guide: http://coherence.beebits.net/wiki/Ampache can anyone tell me where the CONFIG file is in the examples section?
[23:08] <kostkon> invisime, and ps -A | grep pulse lists pulse as running
[23:08] <redheat> this is one of those emergencies where you have to have to come up with an ansewr to a problem like this..
[23:08] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: Do you mean something like this: http://www.pcworld.com/article/165159/Install_Windows_7_From_an_External_Hard_Drive.html
[23:08] <invisime> kostkon: output has been set to USB, S/PIDF and passthrough has been set to the on-board S/PIDF.
[23:09] <invisime> kostkon: I did install and reboot, but pulse isn't running. presumably because xbmc steals the handle first.
[23:09] <kostkon> invisime, y
[23:09] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: Except from Ubuntu instead of Windows, of course...
[23:09] <kostkon> hmm
[23:09] <redheat> Right on the money SonikkuAmerica, only this time do it from LInux
[23:09] <redheat> exactly..
[23:09] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: It should be.
[23:10] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: What flavor of Ubuntu are you using, Unity or something else?
[23:10] <redheat> I mean the instructions all over the internet, assume you do it from windows to another windows
[23:10] <redheat> Unity,..
[23:10] <malph0s^> I have a question regarding package management, recently a update installed linux-image-3.5.0-23-generic but it hangs on boot due to AMD driver incompatabilities, I would like to remove that package but it depends on package linux-image-generic. Is there a way to downgrade a package without removing the meta package?
[23:10] <kostkon> invisime, but youve said already that you need to recompile it and set a flag
[23:11] <invisime> kostkon: possibly. hopefully not? I didn't compile it myself, so I don't know what flags are on there.
[23:11] <kostkon> invisime, :/
[23:11] <invisime> kostkon: I suppose I could go look through the guy's script. but it was... well, let's just say his bash scripting skills are probably an order of magnitude better than mine.
[23:11] <kostkon> invisime, your only problem currently is with zsnes?
[23:11] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: I'm not too sure what's out there for an ISO extractor (Brasero, maybe, but I only thought it worked with burning ISOs to disc), but you may need to search for an ISO extractor that will set your hard drive to boot.
[23:11] <redheat> invisime, darkhelmet46, and SonikkuAmerica, I'm doing this because my laptop doesn't have a harddrive,...
[23:11] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: You mean an optical drive, right?
[23:11] <redheat> yeah
[23:12] <redheat> sorry, I meant optical drive :)..
[23:12] <redheat> damn..lol
[23:12] <invisime> SonikkuAmerica: you could try using unetbootin to create a windows install usb stick, maybe.
[23:12] <emdik> how can I change from the proprietary to the open source broadcom wifi driver in ubuntu 12.10?
[23:12] <redheat> invisime, I don't have the usb stick...
[23:12] <invisime> err, redheat rather. use unetbootin, maybe?
[23:12] <somsip> !pastebin
[23:12] <redheat> no problem buddy..,
[23:12] <invisime> redheat: ah. there's your problem right there. buy a usb stick. :-P
[23:13] <redheat> lol...
[23:13] <redheat> I would if I had the time...
[23:13] <redheat> right on the spot installation..and I"m cornered like a mouse..
[23:13] <darkhelmet46> If you had time?  Dude, just go to Amazon.com
[23:13] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: Actually, I did find a way to do it. I assume your disc is at least Windows 7, right?
[23:13] <SonikkuAmerica> *your ISOP
[23:13] <SonikkuAmerica> *ISO
[23:14] <redheat> yeah, Windows 7 64 bit, DVD edition..
[23:14] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: Good. Open up a terminal and [ sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g ].
[23:15] <invisime> kostkon: here's the script I used, btw: https://github.com/Bram77/xbmc-ubuntu-minimal/raw/master/12.10/prepare_install_2_6.sh
[23:15] <redheat> I already got it installed..
[23:15] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: For any cmd-line stuff I type you won't need the brackets. Those are just to delineate between cmd-line stuff and -- OK, good.
[23:16] <redheat> the ntfs reading tool right
[23:16] <redheat> yeah..I got it just keep typing..don't mind me..I'm following you
[23:16] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: Now, [ sudo apt-get install gparted gettext make gcc ]
[23:16] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: And take a mintue to relax while I get a drink.
[23:16] <redheat> I already got gparted installed, or is this something else
[23:17] <redheat> take your time
[23:17] <redheat> I already got GCC
[23:17] <redheat> my Ubuntu is up and dandy...lol
[23:17] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: Nope, just those packages thus far.
[23:18] <redheat> roger that..everything is set to go
[23:18] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: Next step: make sure you have everything important off your external HDD, 'cuz we gotta wipe it.
[23:19] <anunnaki> anyone in here from S. Africa?
[23:19] <cordyceps> anybody know how to boot freebsd from grub http://paste.ubuntu.com/1674268/
[23:19] <phunyguy> is there any server monitoring app that is comparable to the Quest monitoring software? I would like to be able to use it for monitoring of a Ubuntu server
[23:19] <redheat> you mean the one I"m installing to, not the one I'm installing from? right?
[23:19] <cordyceps> meant to say /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[23:19] <cordyceps> does not work
[23:19] <redheat> you mean the one I"m installing to, not the one I'm installing from? right? <SonikkuAmerica>
[23:20] <Reggin> I have a bunch of IMA files and I want to rename them to IMG. How do I quickly rename all of them in the terminal?
[23:20] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: Right, the one you're using to boot Windows from.
[23:20] <redheat> ok..
[23:20] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: Now open GParted...
[23:20] <redheat> for a second there I thought you were asking me to wipe my Ubuntu drive clean out..
[23:20] <redheat> roger that
[23:20] <redheat> open
[23:21] <SonikkuAmerica> redheat: ...select the HDD you're going to use,...
[23:21] <redheat> selected