[01:23] <Darxus> Lucid beta 1 failed to boot.
[01:25] <Darxus> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing says to go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing to see how to report, and it doesn't say anything about reporting.  Other than this channel and the mailing list.
[01:27] <Darxus> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1 says to use launchpad, which is more useful.
[01:54] <Darxus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/545659
[01:54] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 545659 in ubuntu "Lucid beta 1 booting from cd hangs at blank screen (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[01:54] <Darxus> My bug report.
[06:42] <ara> good morning all!
[07:50] <ara> primes2h, good morning
[07:57] <primes2h> ara: Good morning.
[07:58] <primes2h> :-)
[08:07] <ara> mvo, someone reported not being able to upgrade to lucid with the cdrom
[08:07] <ara> mvo, is that known?
[08:07] <ara> mvo, morning, btw :-)
[08:07] <mvo> good morning ara
[08:07] <mvo> I should subscribe to the page :)
[08:07]  * mvo checks for updates
[08:08] <ara> mvo, no, no, it was through the ubuntu-qa mailing list
[08:08] <ara> mvo, I just forwarded you the email
[08:08] <mvo> thanks
[08:08] <mvo> there is a known issue with cdrom only upgrades, I will check if its a dupe or not
[08:09] <mvo> did you read the feedback from stub? I love it :)
[08:10] <ara> mvo, not yet
[08:10]  * ara reads
[08:12] <ara> wow! :D
[08:13] <mvo> I think by the end of the week (or maybe early next week) we should compile a list of common problems and send to distro or canonical-tech
[08:14] <mvo> its interessting that there are few OMG all crashed failures
[08:14] <mvo> (and good!)
[08:14] <ara> indeed
[08:15] <ara> mvo, I will do that part. (collecting and sending)
[08:15] <mvo> cool
[08:16] <mvo> ara: oh, I know what the problem is, I will answer him
[08:16] <sbeattie> mvo: what's the problem with cdrom upgrades?
[08:16] <ara> mvo, ok, thanks, can you CC me, so I know in case a similar questions arise?
[08:17] <mvo> sbeattie: the guy who had a problem with it did not run it with the absolute path, but it needs that to find its base directory (a bit silly I admit)
[08:17] <mvo> ara: sure
[08:17] <sbeattie> mvo: ah, yeah! I'm sure I've been bitten by that.
[08:18] <mvo> I will have a look at the script and make it smarter, its a bit silly
[08:18] <ara> mvo, great! thanks!
[08:20] <sbeattie> ara: some of stub's items are already filed as bugs (buttons showing up on the right in theme demos in gnome-appearance-properties, fonts in firefox)
[08:20] <mvo> the warnings from the release upgrdaer are fixed now
[08:20] <mvo> the NM crash is known too
[10:01] <davmor2> morning all
[13:29]  * ara -> lunch
[14:05] <davmor2> ara: http://davmor2.blogspot.com/2010/03/ada-lovelace-day.html
[14:06] <davmor2> morning fader_
[14:06] <davmor2> morning alexmoldovan
[14:07] <alexmoldovan> davmor2 : Good Morning! how's going?
[14:07] <davmor2> slowly in ever decreasing circles :)
[14:08] <alexmoldovan> fader_, Good morning
[14:11] <fader_> davmor2, alexmoldovan: Howdy guys!
[14:11] <davmor2> fader_: as above :)
[14:50] <ara> davmor2, thanks!
[14:52] <davmor2> ara: It's a pleasure and you deserve it :)
[15:06] <mvo> ara++ :)
[15:06] <ara> mvo, :)
[15:27] <fader_> ara: Don't let them butter you up -- they're just trying to get goodwill from you so you give their bugs higher priority
[15:27] <fader_> Not like me, who *genuinely* respects your work :D
[15:27] <ara> hehehehe
[18:39] <bladernr_> hey... bug 546255
[18:39] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 546255 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[Lucid] Ubiquity 2.2.7 OEM Xubuntu install does not install oem-config (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546255
[18:39] <bladernr_> though ara is already gone
[19:53] <ameetp> pedro_: Can bug 435257 be moved to 'Fix Released'?
[19:53] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 435257 in linux (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 1 other project) "Karmic takes forever to install on a Toshiba NB 200 (affects: 1)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435257
[19:54] <pedro_> ameetp, looking
[19:56] <pedro_> ameetp, I don't see anything in the report stating that the bug is fixed, last comment is just a workaround
[19:57] <ameetp> pedro_: then any reason why it is linked to a karmic milestone update?
[19:57] <pedro_> ameetp, seems to planned to be fixed in karmic as an SRU
[19:58] <pedro_> ameetp, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[20:02] <ameetp> pedro_: so would you recommend leaving the bug in the current state?
[20:03] <pedro_> ameetp, yes and if you can provide more information like that the bug is fixed on lucid, etc please do so
[20:03] <pedro_> well if you can test with that hw of course
[20:03] <ameetp> pedro_: got it.  Thanks
[20:04] <pedro_> ameetp, you're welcome!
[20:04] <gbuonfiglio1> Hello, I did upgrade from Karmic to Lucid on my netbook EeePC 1005. I've registered on launchpad and my next step would create a wiki page like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Netbooks/eee900 but I could not find the test instructions for netbooks and the test codes as listed in this page. Can someone guide me on this?
[20:08] <charlie-tca> gbuonfiglio1: codes came from each Case ID listed in the test cases here: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Plans/LaptopTesting
[20:10] <gbuonfiglio1> charlie-tca: Thank you! I will follow this page.
[20:10] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:11] <gbuonfiglio1> Also, I had a few issues on the upgrade that I'm not sure if I should file a separate bug report or not...
[20:11] <charlie-tca> Normally, yes. If you don't file the reports, it may not get seen by anyone else
[20:12] <charlie-tca> I file several every new version of Xubuntu, that others miss completely.
[20:14] <gbuonfiglio1> There are all small issues (total 5) and I will file a bug against each one.
[20:14] <charlie-tca> great! Thanks for helping
[20:14] <gbuonfiglio1> 1) gvfs was not updated - libparted0 not installed (I had parted installed and I could update gvfs after remove libparted1.8.12 and devicekit-disks)
[20:14] <gbuonfiglio1> 2) firefox Portuguese was Brazilian Portuguese but now is Portugal Portuguese
[20:15] <gbuonfiglio1> 3) firefox default page not found: chrome://ubufox/content/startpage.html (revert to new one about:home)
[20:15] <gbuonfiglio1> 4) wifi network went down during upgrade and flashplugin did not configured completely
[20:15] <gbuonfiglio1> 5) screen bright cannot be set to maximum (the only error I could not figure out yet)
[20:15] <gbuonfiglio1> overall I'm very happy with the results. :)
[20:15] <charlie-tca>  number 4, not so much can be done about the network going down
[20:16] <gbuonfiglio1> yes I agree, but every time I do upgrade over wireless the connection is lost and flashplugin download flash code during package installation.
[20:17] <charlie-tca> That shouldn't happen. The upgrade should not be causing the connection to go down.
[20:17] <gbuonfiglio1> that was not my wifi router that went down but my wifi client that stopped working.
[20:17] <charlie-tca> I agree, file that one
[20:18] <gbuonfiglio1> ok!
[20:20] <sbeattie> gbuonfiglio1: libparted is a known issue
[20:21] <gbuonfiglio1> sbeattie: Do you know the bug number?
[20:21] <sbeattie> one sec
[20:23] <sbeattie> bug 535368
[20:23] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 535368 in parted (Ubuntu) "gparted will not install on lucid Alpha3 (affects: 9) (dups: 1)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/535368
[20:23] <sbeattie> gbuonfiglio1: ^^^
[20:25] <gbuonfiglio1> Thanks! I've read this bug and I've nothing more to add. :)
[23:15] <charlie-tca> video upgrade testing; hardy2lucid removes the nvidia hardware driver
[23:16] <charlie-tca> bug 546495
[23:16] <ubot4`> charlie-tca: Bug 546495 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/546495 is private
[23:17] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/546495
[23:17] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 546495 in jockey (Ubuntu) "[Lucid} Jockey removed hardware driver during upgrade (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[23:23] <gbuonfiglio1> I cannot connect to EFNET through Empathy. Should I file a bug on Launchpad or try Empathy project directly?
[23:32] <charlie-tca> second bug, after the upgrade, I can't get jockey to authenticate to install the drivers


[14:07] <cyroul> hello
[14:10] <cyroul> i m looking for help regarding PnP ACPI error during the boot, can' t find anything off the internet, just bug reports


[13:18] <andrejz> hello dpm_ ! Do you possibly know (or anyone else for that matter) what is happening on the fron of localisable ISOs
[13:35] <dpm_> hi andrejz, skaet (Kate Stewart) is driving that project, but I haven't talked to her in a while.
[13:35] <dpm_> it seems that she's picked some ISOs for initial beta-1 testing
[13:35] <dpm_> and others to test later on:
[13:36] <dpm_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/LocalizedImageContacts
[13:55] <andrejz> good, so evertyhing is still on track for 11.10
[14:00] <dpm_> yeah
[14:03] <artnay> hmm. we (Finnish LoCo, Mirv) have been building our own .iso to include full language support, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-fi-remix
[14:05] <dpm_> artnay, this project is about having a set of standard tools to build localized isos, as explained on the mailing list (http://old.nabble.com/Call-for-creating-and-testing-localized-ISO-images-td32114033.html). This does not stop anyone from keeping building localized isos with existing methods, though
[14:21] <Mirv> the script we have works flawlessly for current purposes, but I'll revisit the issue at 12.04 LTS. especially if going by the process would indeed get rid of the Remix status.
[14:22] <Mirv> hmm, on the other hand, I'm interested enough that I'll sign in anyway.
[14:23] <Mirv> at least if oneiric firefox stops crashing :)
[14:28] <dpm_> :)
[14:28] <dpm_> hey Mirv, long time no see, how's it going?
[18:06] <Mirv> dpm: somehow managing to have all the possible (well, not all but many) life-busying things at the same time, but otherwise great ;)
[18:07] <Mirv> let's see how the autumn formulates
[18:09] <Mirv> Debian and Ubuntu on mobile phones still interests as a possibility, even though there's still hard work ahead everywhere to approach the "PC approach" (choose your OS) on phones
[18:12] <dpm> :)


[08:05] <kim0> Morning everyone
[08:43] <flaccid> evening :p
[08:43] <kim0> flaccid: ah hehe :)
[08:44] <flaccid> still working, but what can you do heh
[08:46] <ubuntucloud187> hi
[08:47] <flaccid> lo
[08:47] <ubuntucloud187> I am supposing to vuild a small private cloud with my current resources
[08:47] <ubuntucloud187> Does anyone have any usefull tutorial?
[08:49] <flaccid> ubuntucloud187: yes follow the doc
[08:50] <kim0> ubuntucloud187: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/CDInstall
[08:51] <ubuntucloud187> tnx a lot
[08:51] <ubuntucloud187> have you tried yourself?
[08:52] <ubuntucloud187> I am going to develop specific knwoledge integration framework on the private cloud
[08:52] <ubuntucloud187> DB is mysql
[08:52] <ubuntucloud187> and communication is based on SOAP
[08:52] <ubuntucloud187> and wsdl
[08:53] <ubuntucloud187> the file type is xml
[08:53] <flaccid> its the same as any computer
[08:54] <ubuntucloud187> and about web service platform
[08:54] <ubuntucloud187> which technology is used to support web service?
[08:54] <ubuntucloud187> apache or else?
[08:55] <flaccid> anything you like
[08:56] <ubuntucloud187> ok
[08:57] <ubuntucloud187> and the security of connection?
[08:57] <flaccid> instances are virtual machines so you can do whatever
[08:57] <flaccid> what connection?
[08:57] <ubuntucloud187> between VMs
[08:57] <ubuntucloud187> and between user and cloud controller
[08:57] <flaccid> its the same as any network node
[08:58] <flaccid> you obviously don't give out the cloud creds
[08:58] <ubuntucloud187> Users should get an access to cloud resources via portal or?
[08:58] <flaccid> thats up to you
[08:58] <ubuntucloud187> no
[08:58] <ubuntucloud187> It is in house using purpose cloud
[08:59] <flaccid> it provides a cloud, not ACL for users etc.
[08:59] <flaccid> thats your job
[08:59] <ubuntucloud187> yes
[08:59] <ubuntucloud187> and I have a scientific (not technical) question?
[08:59] <ubuntucloud187> and I have a scientific (not technical) question.
[09:00] <ubuntucloud187> How cloud computing could be innovative at the integration of information
[09:00] <flaccid> sorry, i don't understand
[09:00] <ubuntucloud187> for instance in collaborative production system?
[09:01] <ubuntucloud187> I mean the scientific motivation to use a cloud
[09:01] <flaccid> sure, you can do that
[09:01] <flaccid> many scientists use clouds to compute
[09:01] <flaccid> and collab and what not
[09:01] <ubuntucloud187> Yes, that's right
[09:02] <ubuntucloud187> for instance if I am going to do research on the cloud based application development
[09:03] <ubuntucloud187> What could be motivation of using the cloud platform
[09:03] <ubuntucloud187> or clearly research question due to cloud?
[09:04] <ubuntucloud187> in elsecase it seems to be moving from one technology to another,
[09:04] <ubuntucloud187> is there any scientific challenge which could be solved by use of cloud.
[09:05] <ubuntucloud187> of course I know the benefits of scalability, accesibility and so many others such as cost reduction and ...
[09:05] <ubuntucloud187> but they are mostly business factors
[09:05] <ubuntucloud187> not a real scientific challenge
[09:07] <flaccid> i don't have the time to answer such open questions sorry
[09:07] <flaccid> others might
[09:08] <flaccid> this channel is about ubuntu in the cloud
[09:08] <ubuntucloud187> tnx
[09:13] <TeTeT> ubuntucloud187: from what I know, cloud computing certainly does not alter computability, it does not tackle new problems, it provides a way to be more efficient, that's all
[09:14] <ubuntucloud187> I think the same
[09:14] <TeTeT> ubuntucloud187: though cloud systems such as hadoop make it feasible to wade through TB of data, that were in practice unwieldy with traditional systems. But it did not expand in a theoretical way, just what can be done on contemporary cheap hardware
[09:15] <ubuntucloud187> yes you are right
[09:15] <ubuntucloud187> how about specialization of cloud based services
[09:16] <ubuntucloud187> have you ever seen an specific business customized service based on cloud
[09:16] <ubuntucloud187> I mean using for instance salesorce
[09:16] <ubuntucloud187> I mean using for instance salesforce
[09:16] <ubuntucloud187> not in the field of computer science
[09:16] <flaccid> cloud is one of the most abused buzz words
[09:16] <ubuntucloud187> using as computing and so on
[09:17] <flaccid> i work at RightScale and the biggest customers are FB app providers or iphone or whatever..
[09:19] <ubuntucloud187> It never heard rightscale
[09:19] <ubuntucloud187> but I am checking the website now
[09:20] <ubuntucloud187> I found the UEC useful for creating the private cloud, but before going to practical phase of implementation
[09:21] <ubuntucloud187> it is always a big question in my mind
[09:22] <ubuntucloud187> what is the motivation for non-computer scientists to work on cloud based application development?
[09:22] <flaccid> you might want to consider using a public cloud instead
[09:22] <flaccid> i don't have time to answer those kind of questions sorry; someone else might
[13:29] <kim0> smoser: Hi o/ Please ping me once you wake up, since you're on first for Ubuntu Cloud Days .. Thanks man
[14:05] <smoser> kim0, i'm up.
[14:05] <kim0> smoser: great .. just checking ..
[14:05] <kim0> your session is in 2 hours
[14:05] <smoser> i have a meeting running right up to my CloudDays presentation but i'll be there.
[14:05] <kim0> cool np
[14:06] <kim0> smoser: would be great if you can quickly read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/ClassBot (Question Handling) section
[14:06] <kim0> basically the !q and !y to the bot to take and answer questions
[14:06] <ahs3> kim0: what's the url for yesterday's cloud days irc logs, please?
[14:07] <kim0> you'll need to join #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat and if you need help #ubuntu-classroom-backstage
[14:07] <kim0> smoser: ^
[14:07] <kim0> ahs3: Hi .. Just posted direct links to every session at http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2011/03/day-2-ubuntu-cloud-days.html
[14:07] <ahs3> kim0: brilliant.  thx.
[14:12] <TeTeT> kim0: I need to run an errand before giving my session, hope I will be back in time. should start in 2:45
[14:13] <kim0> TeTeT: okie hope you'll be there in time .. Thanks :)
[14:27] <keyz182> Hi, I'm in the middle of setting up a cloud for a project I'm working on, and I've run into the issue outlined here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1712965. Basically, I can't seem to add a bonded connection to a bridge. Has anyone here tried/done this, or know how to?
[14:41] <koolhead17> hi all
[14:44] <kim0> koolhead17: howdy
[14:44] <koolhead17> kim0, hello sir. doing good
[14:44] <kim0> great :)
[14:47] <keyz182> Hi there, anyone here tried running UEC over a bonded connection?
[15:57] <kim0> smoser: Reminder ... session starting in 2 mins
[15:59] <kim0> smoser: btw might be worth it to start the session a little slow .. explaining what's uec, ami, instance ...etc
[16:44] <kim0> TeTeT: please let me know once you're here and ready for your session
[16:53] <TeTeT> kim0: just arrived
[16:54] <kim0> TeTeT: awesome JIT :)
[16:54] <TeTeT> kim0: yeah, so I didn't get to know the price for the new kitchen, which is probably good ;)
[16:54] <kim0> lol haha :)
[16:54] <kim0> so I owe you a kitchen :)
[16:55] <TeTeT> he he
[17:05] <Edulix> hi people
[17:05] <Edulix> hey kim0 =)
[17:05] <kim0> Hello
[17:05] <kim0> Edulix: hey o/
[17:06] <kim0> Edulix: You start in two hours man .. ready ?
[17:06] <Edulix> ready! :P
[17:08] <kim0> awesome :)
[17:34] <kim0> Daviey: Hi o/
[17:34] <kim0> ready for the session in 30mins and all ?
[17:36] <Daviey> kim0, no :)
[17:36] <Daviey> still prepping :)
[17:36] <kim0> hehe .. last minute guy eh :)
[17:36] <kim0> Daviey prepares to knock em dead
[17:40] <sveiss> While we're in a lull... just wanted to say thank you to kim0 and the instructors for organising these sessions. I'm in the middle of planning the migration of an existing EC2 cluster to Ubuntu, and the sessions have been really helpful so far.
[17:41] <kim0> sveiss: sounds great :)
[17:41] <kim0> sveiss btw if that's a production environment, canonical offers commercial support if you'll need that
[17:41] <sveiss> we're migrating to Puppet too, so I'll be watching the next session with close interest too :)
[17:41] <kim0> cool :)
[17:42] <sveiss> yeah, the availability of support if we need it is one of the reasons we're migrating
[17:42] <kim0> sounds good
[17:45] <semiosis> ubuntu+cloudinit+puppet rocks, really looking forward to next session
[17:48] <sveiss> *nods* that's been my experience so far. I'm really looking forward to getting our new prod cluster rolled out, my life will be so much easier


[01:55] <lucent> what the heck, my USB-Serial adapter is now detected as an input device and not an RS232 port?
[01:56] <lucent> and not 10 seconds later, now, it's detected correctly
[01:56] <lucent> I'm so confused
[02:04] <lucent> exact same issue as http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/53249-ttyusb0-not-appearing-solved.html
[09:11] <apw> diwic, 32
[10:19] <cking> apw, 58f6425eb92f54943878b0b3f9c1e51f99c2cb72
[11:16] <ekoore> hi to all
[11:16] <ekoore> i habve a problem with acpi event
[11:16] <ekoore> do you can help me?
[12:48] <apw_> yawn ... quiet today
[12:50]  * ogra makes some noise
[13:21] <apw> ekoore, whats up with it?  could you give some details, then someone might be able to
[13:58] <tgardner> apw, are you still debugging something on natty?
[14:00] <apw> tgardner, no i am pretty happy with it right now
[14:01] <apw> tgardner, did you get a chance to 'stress' the master-next yesterday?
[14:01] <apw> tgardner, working up to tying the bow, if your results are good ...
[14:01] <apw> just pushing some binaries for smb et al to touch test and then it goes in
[14:02] <tgardner> apw, yep, I dribbeled a note in IRC before leaving, but we all know how effective thath usually is. it withstood stress for an hour with loads of 130+
[14:02] <apw> tgardner, ahh excellent
[14:02] <apw> the .deb will be up in 0:34 seconds apparently
[14:03] <tgardner> apw, I'll go back to my xen headache then
[14:03]  * smb presses the on-button on the aspire one
[14:03] <apw> smb, :)
[14:03] <smb> tgardner, What kind do you have?
[14:03] <tgardner> smb, CVE-2010-3699. do you still have a dom0 test machine?
[14:03] <ubot2> tgardner: The backend driver in Xen 3.x allows guest OS users to cause a denial of service via a kernel thread leak, which prevents the device and guest OS from being shut down or create a zombie domain, causes a hang in zenwatch, or prevents unspecified xm commands from working properly, related to (1) netback, (2) blkback, or (3) blktap. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-3699)
[14:04] <smb> tgardner, I believe I still have the Hardy server installation, yes
[14:05]  * smb rumbles through the harddrive collection. Yup its there
[14:05] <smb> tgardner, So let me know when you got something that needs testing
[14:05] <tgardner> smb, can you make sure a guest still boots on a dom0 host using tangerine:~/kern/hardy/kern-64/linux-image-2.6.24-28-xen_2.6.24-28.83_amd64.deb ?
[14:06] <smb> tgardner, sure. let me boot up my box
[14:15] <smb> tgardner, you are aware that -28.83 is in proposed. :) testbox was whining about downgrading. :-P
[14:15] <smb> I mean .84
[14:15] <apw> smb, when you get a chance: http://people.canonical.com/~apw/master-next-natty/
[14:16] <smb> apw, next thing on list
[14:17] <apw> ta man
[14:17] <tgardner> smb, hmm, must have missed it. it took me close to 4 hours to figure out this patch.
[14:20] <smb> tgardner, hmm. attempt  #1 -> box froze solid (no message seen but I have to switch vts to login). retrying...
[14:21] <tgardner> smb, before you even started the guest?
[14:21] <smb> tgardner, guest start was automatic from saved session
[14:24] <smb> tgardner, Reboot after crash came up but without saved xen guest. And trying to start it returns an error (translated into function not implemented)
[14:24] <tgardner> smb, shit. guess I'm gonna have to install some bare metal.
[14:25] <smb> tgardner, For your own test system?
[14:25] <tgardner> smb, yep
[14:26] <tgardner> smb, unless you wanna debug this
[14:27] <smb> tgardner, If you shove your patch over I can have a look.
[14:27] <smb> There is not much on dmesg you can see
[14:27]  * apw opens his window, yep that is tangerine i can hear howling
[14:27] <tgardner> smb, the patch and pull request are on the k-t list
[14:28] <smb> tgardner, ok, I will put it on my list
[14:28] <smb> apw, is next though
[14:28] <smb> apw, So I guess I should not put another buld on it. :)
[14:32] <JFo> heh
[14:36] <apw> smb,
[14:36] <apw> smb, heh i am sure she won't mind
[14:37] <smb> apw, Not quite ready yet, but soonish I may try scary-patch v2 for Lucid
[14:45] <smb> apw, Ok, aspire one came up has screen and wireless and no obvious new complaints from acpi with your latest natty kernel
[14:54] <apw> smb, most gratifying
[14:54] <ekoore> hi apw
[14:54] <ekoore> apw, do you can help me?
[14:56] <apw> ekoore, so does the screen turn off in grub etc ?  i assume not ?
[14:56] <ekoore> not, it poweroff only after grub
[14:57] <apw> ekoore, and presumably only once we get to userspace, i assume something there is responding to it.  does the device have a network you could ssh in over and watch to see what is getting generated when the twist happens
[14:57] <apw> input-events might tell you ...
[14:58] <ekoore> yes
[15:00] <ekoore> do you want the ip of the machine?
[15:01] <apw> not really got time to poke it right now, trying to get the natty kernel sewn up
[15:01] <apw> but i suggest you try and work out what key is getting generated in userspae
[15:01] <apw> that likely can be disconnected
[15:02] <ekoore> i have the same problem in usersace
[15:03] <ekoore> can i do the comand for sisabling it, to the start of boot sequence, and not to the end, with rc.local?
[15:07] <ekoore> what is the version of the kernel in natty?
[15:07] <apw> ekoore, its going to be .38
[15:08] <ekoore> ok i understand
[15:19] <apw> ekoore, ok i've had a bit of a poke and cannot see an easy way to turn it off early
[15:19] <apw> it seems to get turned on the first time when the consumer of the gpe starts, but i have no way to know
[15:19] <apw> what might be triggering that
[15:22] <ekoore> is not possible disabling it from the kernel source?
[15:22] <apw> ekoore, i am sure you can change the kernel to prevent it being enabled, there is no obvious mechanism in there already to do so
[15:22] <apw> ekoore, the assumption is that your bios asks for things to be enabled which make sense and it enabled them
[15:25] <apw> i am told that a gpe11 would trigger methods _L0B or _E0B would be called as a result of that interrupt occuring and those must be triggering the blackness ... looking at those may be fruitful as you have the bios
[15:27] <ekoore> apw, yes, but where is configurated the triggering of the blackness?
[15:27] <apw> ekoore, the kernel will respond to gpe11 by calling the acpi methods listed above.  what those do is bios specific
[15:28] <apw> the kernel does only what it is told to by the bios on those cases (as i understand it)
[15:29] <ekoore> yes, i think that is a problem of the bios, but i want solve in the kernel
[15:30] <apw> ekoore, well the kernel has no feature to turn off gpes by default as far as i can tell, so you'd have to add one, or bitch at your bios vendor
[15:30] <apw> acpi_hw_low_set_gpe() seems to be the low level enable routine, somewhere in the call chain for that you'd want to add something to suppress it
[15:31] <ekoore> with windows os, i don't have this problem
[15:32]  * sforshee -> reboot
[15:32] <apw> ekoore, and i am sure the kernel there has been modified to handle the bios brokeness
[15:32] <apw> ekoore, as i am sure it has a machine specific module to handle this kind of thing
[15:33] <apw> ekoore, as i say there isn't obviously a way to handle it without writing some code
[15:33] <apw> ekoore, apparently noone has had this issue before, or if they have they have managed to get their bios fixed
[15:38] <ekoore> in with way i can have the fix of the bios?
[15:38] <ekoore> is needed the source?
[15:38] <ekoore> or i can disassemble it?
[15:38] <apw> ekoore, normally you report your issue to them and they fix it as far as i can tell
[15:38] <cking> ekoore, fixing the BIOS is not easy - you need to engage with the vendor
[15:40] <ekoore> is impossible solve from linux kernel?
[15:40] <apw> ekoore, no not impossible.  just you need to write some code, as it is not already there
[15:41] <ekoore> yes i understand, do you can help me in this?
[15:41] <apw> i don't have the time i am afraid, no
[15:44] <ekoore> is possible do a comand after the loading of the kernel?
[15:46] <apw> ekoore, not early enough to guarentee you cannot ever his the issue
[15:48] <cking> the only easy way to get insight at this point is to see if there any _L0B, _E0B methods in the ACPI DSDT and then see what they are doing
[15:48] <cking> ..but you need to understand the AML code, which is a pain
[15:52] <cking> ekoore, http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.com/2009/10/dumping-acpi-tables-using-acpidump-and.html and http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.com/2010/03/debugging-acpi-using-acpiexec.html maybe useful
[15:55] <sconklin> http://www.pat-testing.info/recallnotice/sony-vaio.htm overheating Vaios due to a "firmware" problem
[16:05] <apw> tgardner, did the armel natty chroots get updated?  i am seeing 'cp15 insn xxxx' blammos from qemu
[16:06] <tgardner> apw, the natty armel chroots still don't work, so I disabled them
[16:07] <apw> tgardner, oh i thought we had stale ones and they sort of worked
[16:07] <tgardner> apw, I should remove the one on tangerine
[16:07] <tgardner> apw, I probably messed up and did an update
[16:08] <tgardner> ogra mumbled something at me about using Maverick debootstrap or qemu, but I never followed up on his suggestion
[16:08] <ogra> hmm ?
[16:08] <tgardner> natty armel chroot
[16:09] <ogra> yeah, i got that, whats your prob ?
[16:09] <tgardner> it don't work
[16:09] <ogra> hmm, i havent used x86 hosts for a while, they should work though
[16:09] <tgardner> ogra, gimme a bit, I can produce some error messages. it generally wedges the qemu session
[16:10] <ogra> k
[16:12] <tgardner> ogra, https://pastebin.canonical.com/42364/
[16:13] <ogra> hmm, whats the command you used there ?
[16:14] <ogra> looks like an issue with your arch, is that amd64 or x86 ?
[16:14] <tgardner> qemu-debootstrap --arch=armel natty /usr3/chroots/natty-armel http://mirror.rtg.net/ubuntu-ports
[16:14] <tgardner> I: Running command: debootstrap --arch armel --foreign natty /usr3/chroots/natty-armel http://mirror.rtg.net/ubuntu-ports
[16:14] <ogra> i think i have seen such an error on amd64 but not on x86
[16:14] <tgardner> amd64
[16:14] <tgardner> ogra, who has 32 bit servers these days?
[16:15] <ogra> i do ... arm doesnt have 64bits yet :)
[16:16] <tgardner> ogra, well, all of my dev boxes have a zillion CPUs, so i386 doesn't make sense on them
[16:16] <ogra> well, but it sounds like a bug, if you have no option to build on an x86 machine i would suggest building a maverick chroot and dist upgrade that
[16:17] <tgardner> ogra, k, I'll try that
[16:23] <tgardner> sconklin, how is the SRU testing going?
[16:24] <sconklin> tgardner: ask cert and qa
[16:24] <sconklin> I don't know, and they don't have any status pages that I'm aware of
[16:25] <tgardner> sconklin, they've got this one: http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/sru-testing/current/
[16:25] <sconklin> well ok, then, there's your answer
[16:26] <tgardner> sconklin, the reason I ask is that there are some non-zero numbers in the failures column and wondered if you're getting push back on some of the patches
[16:27] <sconklin> tgardner: in every case in the past, those have turned out to all be false negatives, and the cert team has given them a pass.
[16:28] <sconklin> But it's a good question
[16:28] <tgardner> sconklin, hmm, ok
[16:29] <sconklin> I wish there was more detail about the tests
[16:30] <sconklin> sru_disk_buf_read_perf_adv_tes doesn't mean anything to me
[16:30] <sconklin> but I suspect a result of "command not found" is not a kernel problem
[16:30] <tgardner> sconklin, I suppose next you'll be wanting a link to the test source code :)
[16:31] <sconklin> sru_sleep_state_test failure looks like it may actually be a failure - that one is more worrisome
[16:32] <tgardner> is that an S3 test I wonder ?
[16:32] <sconklin> hmm, if you drill down, at least the first one if marked "Unresolved", while the second if fail. But they both show as fails on the status page
[16:32] <tgardner> ogra, no joy on dist-upgrade from maverick to natty, same basic error
[16:33] <ogra> but bootstrappping natty worked ?
[16:33] <ogra> err
[16:33] <ogra> maverick
[16:33] <tgardner> ogra, yes, maverick works
[16:33] <ogra> hmpf
[16:35] <apw> all ogra's fault clearly
[16:35] <ogra> i didnt touch qemu since 2 releases
[16:35] <ogra> its your crappy hardware, use arm cortex-a15 :P
[16:36] <ogra> can also have 100s of cores and terabytes of ram
[16:36] <tgardner> ogra, well, we normally cross compile, but some stuff really requires a native armel environment.
[16:36] <ogra> yeah
[16:37] <ogra> i really dont know what makes qemu fail there, i know that slangasek is working on a new package from a different source for exactly the armel stuff
[16:37] <ogra> but i dont know where that stands
[16:38] <tgardner> ogra, if I filed a bug, would it be against qemu-kvm-extras-static ?
[16:38] <ogra> yes, thats what holds the binfmt handlers
[16:39] <tgardner> k
[16:40] <apw> tgardner, yeah like the perf packages cause we don't support cross compilation in the archive
[16:42] <bjf> apw, smb, tgardner, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/FixingCVEs
[17:04] <slangasek> ogra, tgardner: the plan is that qemu-kvm-extras-static gets taken over by a new qemu-linaro source package as a transitional package
[17:04] <ekoore> apw, cking, i am here
[17:05] <tgardner> slangasek, sometime soon?
[17:05] <slangasek> tgardner: within the week
[17:05] <tgardner> slangasek, cool. I'll watch for it
[17:08] <JFo> <- lunch and an errand... I hate taxes. :-/
[17:11] <tgardner> slangasek, I assume your natty qemu-kvm-extras-static will work in a debootstrap on a lucid host?
[17:30] <slangasek> tgardner: I also assume this :)
[17:30] <slangasek> (I don't have any evidence one way or the other at the moment, but if it doesn't work, we'll want to fix it)
[17:31] <apw> slangasek, i thought those packages were installed in the host, and loaded via init.  so wouldn't you need a native <host release> package to make it work in chroots ?
[17:31] <apw> via the bin_fmt_misc thingy
[17:31] <slangasek> apw: well, we will be providing backported packages
[17:31] <slangasek> in the linaro ppa
[17:32] <apw> slangasek, that makes sense to me, cool
[17:32] <apw> is it ready yet, is it ready yet
[17:32] <slangasek> apw: but if you're doing interpreter resolution in a chroot, the paths are resolved relative to the chroot
[17:33] <apw> slangasek, they are, oh hrm really?
[17:33] <slangasek> (qemu has multiple modes for this stuff and I never remember which name is which... but if you've got an x86 chroot with a smattering of arm executables, that's all done within the chroot)
[17:33] <slangasek> apw: sure, otherwise it's an instant jailbreak :)
[17:33] <apw> slangasek, heh well i guess that makes sense and everything
[18:20] <apw> slangasek, i think i am thinking of the armel chroot all armel inside case ... but anyhow i am sure we will work it out when they exist
[18:49]  * tgardner --> lunch
[19:28] <tgardner> smb, using stock 8.04.1 and http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu-8.04-server-install-xen-from-ubuntu-repositories I was able to boot a xen image
[19:39] <tgardner> apw, root@e1501:~# cat /proc/version
[19:39] <tgardner> Linux version 2.6.24-28-xen (buildd@crested) (gcc version 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu3)) #1 SMP Wed Nov 24 10:58:54 UTC 2010
[19:39] <tgardner> root@e1501:~# cat /proc/version_signature
[19:39] <tgardner> Ubuntu 2.6.24-4.6-generic
[19:39] <tgardner> root@e1501:~#
[19:41] <tgardner> apw, root@e1501:/boot# ls -l
[19:41] <tgardner> total 36140
[19:41] <tgardner> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-06-18 10:51 abi-2.6.24-19-server
[19:41] <tgardner> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   74169 2008-06-18 10:51 config-2.6.24-19-server
[19:41] <tgardner> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   82909 2010-11-24 04:59 config-2.6.24-28-xen
[19:41] <tgardner> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root    4096 2011-01-26 11:50 grub
[19:41] <tgardner> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7517611 2011-01-26 11:39 initrd.img-2.6.24-19-server
[19:41] <tgardner> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7239178 2011-01-26 11:32 initrd.img-2.6.24-19-server.bak
[19:41] <tgardner> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7468145 2011-01-26 11:50 initrd.img-2.6.24-28-xen
[19:41] <tgardner> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7467768 2011-01-26 11:50 initrd.img-2.6.24-28-xen.bak
[19:41] <tgardner> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-09-28 05:03 memtest86+.bin
[19:41] <tgardner> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1162275 2008-06-18 10:51 System.map-2.6.24-19-server
[19:42] <tgardner> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1129165 2010-11-24 04:59 System.map-2.6.24-28-xen
[19:42] <tgardner> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1928216 2008-06-18 10:51 vmlinuz-2.6.24-19-server
[19:42] <tgardner> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1895911 2010-11-24 04:59 vmlinuz-2.6.24-28-xen
[19:42] <tgardner> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-02-20 20:04 xen-3.2.gz
[19:43] <tgardner> apw, debian/config/amd64/config.generic:CONFIG_VERSION_SIGNATURE="Ubuntu 2.6.24-4.6-generic"
[19:45] <apw> debian/rules.d/2-binary-arch.mk:        cat $^ | sed -e 's/.*CONFIG_VERSION_SIGN
[20:11] <smb> tgardner, Ok, it really was the xen-3.3 stuff I took from hardy-backports. Thrown everything away and now had no problem in booting the kernel with the updated patch and run a new domU
[20:13] <tgardner> smb, otp, back in a sec
[20:17] <tgardner> smb, http://xenbits.xensource.com/linux-2.6.18-xen.hg?rev/59f097ef181b
[20:31] <bdmurray> JFo: wrt to this kernel bug handling work item its just reviewing the existing kernel team debugging procedures right?
[20:32] <bdmurray> JFo: the one assigned to me
[20:33] <JFo> hmmmm, let me look
[20:34] <JFo> I believe it was more to do with getting the qa team looking there for some reason, but I don't recall precisely
[20:34] <JFo> or perhaps there was some documentation that was needed
[20:35] <JFo> I can't recall
[20:35] <JFo> let me see if I can find my notes
[20:35] <bdmurray> What I recall is you all wanted somebody outside the kernel team to review the rewritten debugging procedures and I believe Kamal mentioned grub and boot options.
[20:36] <JFo> ah, that tickles a memory
[20:36] <kamal> bdmurray, JFo:  um...  I recently added this to the kernel team FAQ:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/FAQ#How do I add a Kernel Boot Parameter?
[20:37] <kamal> make that:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters
[20:38] <JFo> very nice kamal
[20:38] <kamal> (if that's even relevant to your conversation :-)
[20:38] <JFo> :)
[20:38] <bdmurray> so its stuff like that I / my team is supposed to review
[20:39] <JFo> bdmurray, your recollection works for me as I seem to have relocated my notebook (tax season)
[20:39] <kamal> bdmurray: I should have told somebody (you) about it I guess!  ooops.
[20:39] <bdmurray> JFo: okay, I'll clarify the work item so its more definitive
[20:40] <JFo> thank you sir
[21:55] <soren> How do I see what a given file looked like at a given revision with git?
[21:57] <RAOF> I *think* git show $SHA:path/to/file works


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[01:07] <cj> can someone recommend a laptop?  I was going to go with lenovo, but I hear dell has good support, too
[07:05] <anhu> cj, lenovo and dell is a good choice, depend how expensive model u want to buy
[18:23] <anhu> cj, lenovo and dell is a good choice, depend how expensive model u want to buy
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