[04:17] <mup> Bug #1709095 changed: Commissioning fails when cloud init can't find a data source <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1709095>
[04:26] <mup> Bug #1709095 opened: Commissioning fails when cloud init can't find a data source <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1709095>
[04:35] <mup> Bug #1709095 changed: Commissioning fails when cloud init can't find a data source <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1709095>
[08:36] <mup> Bug #1733285 opened: Unable to create pod with MAAS 2.3-rc2 on 17.10 <s390x> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733285>
[08:48] <mup> Bug #1733285 changed: Unable to create pod with MAAS 2.3-rc2 on 17.10 <s390x> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733285>
[08:51] <mup> Bug #1733285 opened: Unable to create pod with MAAS 2.3-rc2 on 17.10 <s390x> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733285>
[15:33] <xygnal> roaksoax: is the centos6 images in the maas repo currently broken?  curtain fails trying to set grub root on our device.
[15:34] <xygnal> have a traceback but it doenst explain a whole lot
[15:37] <xygnal> it need sto set root to sdm, as the RAID1 is showing as final disk not first disk (We have jbods too)
[15:45] <roaksoax> xygnal: not to my knowledge. we've not made any changes other than getting the latest centos6 images
[15:45] <roaksoax> xygnal: also, we dont support efi on centos6 if that's what you were using
[15:46] <roaksoax> since at the time of enablement,what was needed for efi wasn't available in centos6 iirc
[15:52] <xygnal> roaksoax: we are running BIOS only on all of our stuff.  I was just asking about EFI in case it might helkp our boot situation.
[15:52] <xygnal> roaksoax: we are using th strait vanilla image you host for centos7
[15:52] <xygnal> er centos6*
[15:52] <xygnal> typo
[15:52] <xygnal> and it fails with that
[15:52] <xygnal> its not installing on /dev/sda which is the only reason I can imagine its having a problem
[15:52] <[Kid]> is there a way to use hostnames with juju and MAAS to deploy certain machine numbers to certain nodes by hostname?
[15:52] <xygnal> it shows root and boot selection for /dev/sdm but it fails with that
[15:53] <[Kid]> hopefully that makes sense
[15:55] <xygnal> roaksoax: i am booting  centos6 iso now to see what order the disks select in. could be taht /dev/sdm is not the same once in the OS?
[15:55] <roaksoax> xygnal: for centos maas picks the first disk the os finds and that's where it installs
[15:55] <xygnal> hm but no that should still be in the ubuntu install image at that point
[15:56] <xygnal> roaksoax: we have code in our curtin preseed file that uses the boot device
[15:56] <xygnal> roaksoax: you helped us to code that actually to work around it
[15:56] <roaksoax> [Kid]: I think juju /may/ have a way to use a constraints based on machine name. It used to have, I haven't used juju in a while
[15:56] <xygnal> but it seems to only be working in centos7
[15:57] <[Kid]> according to the guys in #juju tags are the only way
[15:57] <roaksoax> xygnal: strange. Both centos6/7 images process it exactly the same
[15:57] <[Kid]> not a huge deal
[15:57] <roaksoax> xygnal: the only thing I could imagine is a different version of software inside centos may be the cause ?
[15:57] <roaksoax> xygnal: can you file a bug ?
[16:02] <xygnal> roaksoax: hold on.  I just disccovered he is using centos not custom, and our curtin code is only in custom
[16:02] <xygnal> so need to look at this first and make sure its being used correctly
[16:06] <roaksoax> xygnal: ack, ah that's it then
[16:07] <roaksoax> xygnal: it needs to be custom
[16:21] <xygnal> roaksoax: just tried my custom stuff in the centos file, still fails.  I have debug output for you.
[16:22] <xygnal> roaksoax: pasted in private chat
[16:22] <xygnal> roaksoax: does ubuntu curtin not support the same options as custom?
[16:22] <xygnal> er
[16:22] <xygnal> sorry
[16:22] <xygnal> why do i keep using ubuntu?
[16:22] <xygnal> brain not working
[16:23] <xygnal> Can curtin_userdata_centos  support the same options as curtin_userdata_custom
[16:24] <xygnal> i never used the ubuntu image - just brain tired. i meant the centos image vs the custom image. we have been using centos and centos preseed file to try to replicat the same results
[16:39] <xygnal> roaksoax: export the image, imported it as custom image
[16:39] <xygnal> tried again
[16:39] <xygnal> same failure, same error
[16:52] <roaksoax> xygnal: images under "centos" are not sent the storage config, so curtin doesn't do the partition
[16:52] <roaksoax> xygnal: custom images do get it
[16:52] <roaksoax> xygnal: that's probably why things fail
[16:53] <xygnal> roaksoax: well i just did custom and it failed exactly the same way
[16:53] <xygnal> so thats not it
[16:57] <xygnal> roaksoax: do you want to see the full trace output on that like i did for the previous one?
[16:58] <xygnal> at this point im considering writing a manual endpoint to turn jbod on/off before/after deployment manually
[16:58] <xygnal> because its the only way MAAS can cope with centos6 on our hardware
[17:40] <roaksoax> xygnal: does centos6 work with jbods ?
[17:40] <roaksoax> with your jbods ?
[17:48] <correct> if I don't get the paid version of MAAS, this means I can't provision Windows systems?
[18:05] <kiko> correct, you can but you need to roll your own images, essentially
[18:05] <kiko> the image build service is commercial
[18:05] <kiko> so perhaps s/correct/partially correct/
[18:20] <rick_h> howdy folks, I've got a long running maas on a single laptop that I've upgraded today to rc-2 and I'm getting the "One rack controller is not yet connected to the region. Visit the rack controllers page for more information."
[18:20] <rick_h> I've restarted the machine. As it's a single laptop it's both region/rack controller and I'm not up on what the new UX is trying to tell me here. Any hints on what's been changing?
[18:26] <rick_h> checking logs: https://pastebin.canonical.com/203665/
[18:28] <roaksoax> rick_h: the rack controller cannot connect to the region for some reason
[18:29] <roaksoax> rick_h: pb both regiond.log and rackd.log
[18:29] <rick_h> k, checking
[18:30] <correct> kiko: lol.
[18:31] <rick_h> roaksoax: oh hmm, it's trying to connect ipv6
[18:31] <correct> kiko: I'm rollin'em already with cobbler.  Excited to test out MAAS.
[18:32] <correct> kiko: so.. when say roll my own, typycally, I have cobbler use ghost to deploy the image... with MAAS does it work in a similar fashion?
[18:33] <rick_h> roaksoax: so I've got the <IP_ADDRESS> in both rackd and regiond.conf files. Logs show: Region not available: User timeout caused connection failure. (While requesting RPC info at b'http://[::ffff:<IP_ADDRESS>]/MAAS/rpc/').
[18:33] <correct> as I am using a ghost image, does MAAS offer some other ways of deploying my custom image?
[18:33] <rick_h> roaksoax: is it pulling from something other than the maas_url in each?
[18:36] <roaksoax> rick_h: is maas_url pointing to <IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS or <IP_ADDRESS>:5240/MAAS ?
[18:37] <rick_h> roaksoax: in the rackd it's sans-port, in the regiond it's with port
[18:37] <roaksoax> rick_h: use :5240, maas opens port on 5240, not on other ports
[18:42] <kiko> correct, no, MAAS uses curtin -- see https://readthedocs.org/projects/curtin/
[18:42] <kiko> correct, sorry, I'm OTP so very slow today
[18:42] <kiko> shucks
[18:42] <kiko> correct, http://curtin.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ is what I really meant
[18:46] <xygnal> darn
[18:46] <xygnal> TJ's suspicion dint pan out
[18:46] <xygnal> after extracting a failed/stalled boot
[18:46] <xygnal> the checksums on the initrd and kernel match :(
[18:46] <xygnal> why is it stalling?!
[18:50] <correct> kiko,.. while installing MAAS, I got an error regarding psql
[18:51] <correct> I'm gussing server have not started
[19:04] <xygnal> you are are correct
[19:04] <correct> It appears there is a problem with the bootstrap install?
[19:05] <xygnal> you are are correct
[19:05] <correct> xygnal: umm... is there a post installation script for the db?
[19:05] <xygnal> i'm not answering your questions i'm just saying your name ;)
[19:05] <correct> lol
[19:06] <xygnal> i dont know what your problem is, i am in here as i have my own problems
[19:07] <correct> basically..I'm installing MAAS.  I am at a section that configures postgressdb for MAAS
[19:07] <correct> it erors out.
[19:07] <correct> as it can't connect to DB
[19:07] <roaksoax> rick_h: /win 5
[19:07] <roaksoax> err
[19:07] <rick_h> wheee
[19:09] <correct> I get this https://snag.gy/osnOIl.jpg
[19:11] <rick_h> roaksoax: hmm, seems because it's long running I'm having fun with old e/n/i vs new interface names/etc and that's causing me to have fun. Thanks for helping me poke at the logs/etc
[19:13] <correct> lol.. this is not working.  i'm not sure what to do here.
[19:15] <correct> This question may not have been addressed: https://askubuntu.com/questions/965303/unable-to-install-maas-directly-using-dvd
[19:16] <xygnal> no fun -o
[19:16] <xygnal> =p
[19:17] <heyya> If I skip the DB setup.. is can't it be configured later?
[19:18] <heyya> or do I need to do a layered install?
[19:18] <heyya> *can the postgre db be configured after ?  if so, how so?
[19:19] <xygnal> if i had to take a guess heyya i would say, it needs to populate the database during install
[19:19] <heyya> xygnal, yeah.. but this install has been mostly unattended
[19:20] <xygnal> possible to spin up a database in advance, even if you dont keep it?
[19:20] <heyya> I saw a posting mention that I need to layer the install
[19:20] <heyya> like install ubuntu server with ssh, then maas controller, etc
[19:21] <heyya> ubuntu server with postgresql
[19:21] <heyya> I need to look at installer script
[19:22] <heyya> the installer is searching for a DB that does not exist
[19:22] <xygnal> TJ-: wireshark can decode the TFTP files! still trying to get a client-end capture though
[19:22] <heyya> crap.. just don't wanna do this again
[19:22] <xygnal> i thoguht it spun up the db for you
[19:23] <heyya> xygnal: that's what I thought, did you see the posting ? ---> https://askubuntu.com/questions/965303/unable-to-install-maas-directly-using-dvd
[19:24] <TJ-> xygnal: you still at that!?
[19:26] <xygnal> TJ-: well that was friday so i only just picked it up agian today.
[19:26] <xygnal> TJ-: I was able to confirm the whole TFTP image goes throguh, but without the client capture i can't verify the sum
[19:26] <TJ-> xygnal: seems like a month ago to me
[19:27] <xygnal> TJ-: it's new infra so we dont have spans setup yet. tough spot.
[19:27] <TJ-> xygnal: right; did you try with bootstrapping via iPXE
[19:27] <xygnal> TJ-: no, woudln't help us since MAAS doesn support it yet
[19:28] <xygnal> or are you implkying ipxe client can tell me if the checksum was good?
[19:28] <xygnal> wouldn't it still be force to use old PXE protocol because of server?
[19:28] <xygnal> you wanted me to spin up a whole second pxe server to test in there and that seems a bit overkill
[19:29] <TJ-> xygnal: As I said last week - if you booted the hardware from an iPXE CD-ROM/USB, so it then tries to do a PXE boot, and it works all 50 times (or however many you test for), it'd indicate the problem could be in the system firmware's PXE implementation
[19:30] <TJ-> xygnal: but if 1 or more of those tests fail you know there's an intermittent network issue
[19:33] <xygnal> TJ-: only happens in networks with switches that have ACI
[19:33] <xygnal> TJ-: same hardware. so we suspect not firmware.
[19:34] <heyya> isn't that ACL ?
[19:36] <xygnal> nope
[19:36] <TJ-> xygnal: So you're sure the issue is the network?
[19:36] <xygnal> ACI. cisco switch technology.
[19:36] <xygnal> TJ-: 99% certain, but i just found a cisco ACI bug release saying that it causes UDP/TFTP traffic to fail
[19:36] <xygnal> so crossing my fingers we aren't at taht ACI patch level
[19:37] <TJ-> xygnal: so, even if you prove a packet goes astray/is corrupted, you still won't know why or where it happens
[19:37] <TJ-> xygnal: oh really? I bet you are!
[19:37] <TJ-> xygnal: what's the bug reference?
[19:37] <heyya> Do you put all the MAAS components on one node?
[19:38] <TJ-> xygnal: 'fail' or 'drop packets' - the former suggests the connection fails.
[19:38] <xygnal> CSCaz88813
[19:38] <xygnal> uz*
[19:38] <xygnal> not az
[19:39] <xygnal> "bridge packets dropped on network"
[19:41] <xygnal> find it?
[19:47] <TJ-> xygnal: that does look like it, but if it is down to a specific byte sequence, you'd expect the boot to fail the same way every time, surely? (Because its always the same data and presumably packet headers ) - Or does the server get a different IP each time/some times ?
[19:47] <xygnal> xygnal: yes it does get different IPs.  There are commissions and deployments.
[19:48] <xygnal> they fail so re-trying grabs a new IP
[19:48] <xygnal> the commissions at the least
[19:48] <TJ-> xygnal: if it is that bug you can test it easily. Get the server booted successfully one-time, then run a UDP stream to it and compare what's sent to what's received. That way you have full control on the server-side
[19:49] <TJ-> xygnal: in other words; no need to try debugging TFTP, just debug a continuous UDP stream
[19:51] <TJ-> xygnal: you can use netcat (nc) either side, e.g: "cat /some/large/text/file | nc -4u server $testport" ->>> "nc -4ul $testport | tee /tmp/received/file"
[20:00] <xygnal> TJ-: so a netcat test?
[20:01] <xygnal> damn you internet
[20:21] <TJ-> xygnal: I think we both lost connection! did you see my netcat example?
[20:21] <TJ-> 19:51:36    TJ- | xygnal: you can use netcat (nc) either side, e.g: "cat /some/large/text/file | nc -4u server $testport" ->>> "nc -4ul $testport | tee /tmp/received/file"
[20:22] <roaksoax> heyya: not from the cd. The bug is fixed but dind't make it into the CD
[20:22] <roaksoax> heyya: also, you can install directly after ytou install from cd
[20:22] <xygnal> TJ-: we are at 2.3 fw level so, oh well
[20:22] <xygnal> can't be the cisco bug
[20:23] <TJ-> xygnal: no harm doing the UDP streaming test though.
[20:23] <xygnal> oh yes I have to in order to prove the network that its not my problem
[20:23] <xygnal> thats next
[20:49] <mup> Bug #1733411 opened: MAAS should create static leases for ephemeral boots when possible <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733411>
[21:19] <mup> Bug #1733420 opened: virsh power type check error <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733420>
[21:38] <heyya> roaksoax: I just did a fresh install of ubuntu server with dns,postgres and ssh.  Server is up
[21:38] <heyya> roaksoax: apt-cache has the package, but I was reading I should add ppa:mass/stable
[21:41] <heyya> anyway.. will install use the ppa
[22:14] <roaksoax> heyya: the ppa wont gfive you anything different from the archives
[22:14] <roaksoax> heyya: unless you want something newer
[22:14] <roaksoax> heyya: maas 2.3 goes out officially tomorrow and 2.2 will be replaced in PPA
[22:14] <roaksoax> so if you want the latest ppa is probably the best
[22:15] <heyya> sweet.. did it.. FYI MAAS is SOOOO nice
[22:15] <roaksoax> glad to hear that :)
[22:15] <heyya> very mature from what I can see
[22:16] <heyya> I have dhcp funning already.. I guess I can configure my dhcp to use the pxe from MAAS
[22:18] <roaksoax> yu can, yes
[22:33] <heyya> not sure how I want to set it up yet.  With MAAS, I'll have 2 pxe servers running.
[22:33] <heyya> I guess I'll have to disable the other pxe while I'm testing
[22:34] <heyya> or restict it.
[22:34] <heyya> hmm.. ok.. I'll lock it down to a network
[23:11] <heyya> What are DHCP snippets in Maas?  does that indicate the network for serving dhcp?
[23:27] <heyya> When i dig @MAAS i get WARNING: recursion requested but not available
[23:53] <mup> Bug #1733442 opened: Cannot delete Virsh Pod <MAAS:In Progress by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733442>
[23:56] <mup> Bug #1733442 changed: Cannot delete Virsh Pod <MAAS:In Progress by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733442>


[10:45] <ogra_> infinity, hmm, instead of the mkdir you added to jasper we should instead add a dep on app-install-data which creates that dir
[10:47] <infinity> ogra_: No, you should instead be using the ti-omap4-software-channel package you created and forgot about. :P
[10:47] <ogra_> heh
[10:47] <infinity> ogra_: But at this point, what's in jasper works, and I don't want to touch it.
[10:47] <ogra_> well, emmet wanted to work on it back a release
[10:47] <infinity> ogra_: The mkdir wasn't a fix anyway, it was just paranoia.  Never copy without a destination.
[10:47] <infinity> ogra_: The fix was the last line in the function.
[10:47] <ogra_> sure
[10:47] <ogra_> yep, saw that
[10:48] <ogra_> and thanks !
[10:48] <infinity> Landing an apt fix today to make update-apt-xapian-index less vicous on ARM.
[10:49] <ogra_> wohoo
[10:49] <infinity> And after that, unless I can reproduce some Tobin-only issues, I think we're running out of things we can reasonably fix in this cycle.
[10:49] <ogra_> banshee :)
[10:49] <ogra_> we could stare at it as a team :)
[10:49] <ogra_> watching it die ...
[10:51] <xranby> ogra_: who does it die?  somebody know?
[10:52] <xranby> im observing it dying as well
[10:52] <ogra_> xranby, no, we dont know yet, suspicion is that its a mono SMP issue, NCommander has some experience with that and looks into it, i'm sure he would appreciate some help
[10:56] <xranby> ogra_: kind of odd since it works fine on i386 smp systems
[10:56] <xranby> it do throw a nice exception on arm
[11:00] <xranby> NCommander: this are what i see when i startup banshee http://paste.ubuntu.com/702190/    have you filed a bugreport for this to work on  ?
[11:02] <ogra_> yes
[11:10] <ppisati> why my panda is aking me for the "ubuntu" user password?
[11:12] <ogra_> ppisati, bug i guess
[11:14] <ppisati> "Failed to summon the GConf demon; exiting.  Failed to activate configuration server: Failed to execute program /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgconf2-4/gconfd-2: Success"
[11:14] <ppisati> ?!?!?
[11:14] <ogra_> sounds like a readonly FS or full disk
[11:16] <ppisati> /dev/sda1             459G   14G  422G   4% /
[11:16] <ppisati> nope :)
[11:17] <ogra_> well, asking for a ubuntu user and pw doesnt look like you used one of our images, we definitely never create such a user anywhere
[11:18] <ppisati> that's a... natty? installation upgraded recently to O
[11:18] <ppisati> anyway, let's see...
[15:10] <ogra_> NCommander, how are you progressing on banshee ? any insight yet ? (we need to make a decision by thu about what we ship=
[15:10] <ogra_> )
[15:25] <GrueMaster> ogra_: I did some extensive testing with rhythmbox and it worked ok, making it a viable alternative.  The only issue is Ubuntu One integration (doesn't exist that I am aware of).
[15:26] <ogra_> yeah, which is bad
[15:26] <ogra_> i would really prefer to have a plan for banshee instead
[15:26] <GrueMaster> Well, better than crashing but...
[15:26] <ogra_> doesnt need to be fixed before release, but we need to know we *can* fix it (i.e. without having to update the whole mono stack etc)
[15:27] <ogra_> if we see no perspective we need to switch indeed, but that should only be last resort
[15:29] <GrueMaster> sigh, no daily for today.  grmbl.
[15:30] <ogra_> heh
[15:30] <ogra_> you expected miracles ?
[15:30] <GrueMaster> No, just to be able to work.  Silly me.  :P
[15:30] <ogra_> well, try banshee on a system booted with nosmp :)
[15:30] <GrueMaster> I haven't had a desktop image get past oem-config since last week.
[15:31] <ogra_> try the ac100 ;)
[15:31] <ogra_> to have some successfull install
[15:31] <GrueMaster> I have.  Fail.  It fails the same way on beagleXM and MX53.
[15:31] <ogra_> huh ?
[15:31] <GrueMaster> I have my AC100 updated now from Natty.
[15:31] <ogra_> not for all the people in #ac100
[15:31] <ogra_> neither for me
[15:32] <GrueMaster> Banshee?
[15:32] <ogra_> (though i personally didnt do much testing post-beta)
[15:32] <GrueMaster> Or oem-config?
[15:32] <ogra_> GrueMaster, the installer
[15:32] <ogra_> and oem-config
[15:32] <ogra_> banshee fails the same way everywhere i tested it ... but i havent tested without smp yet
[15:32] <GrueMaster> I haven't been testing AC100 much.  Too much focus on why oem-config crashes on omap4.
[15:33] <ogra_> yeah, i was just suggesting it to get y successfull install to get your mood up :)
[15:33] <GrueMaster> banshee fails on my UP systems the same way, so it isn't an SMP issue.
[15:33] <ogra_> ah, thanks !
[15:33] <ogra_> can you put that info in the bug ?
[15:33] <GrueMaster> I thought I already did?
[15:34]  * ogra_ didnt see it but that doesnt mean much
[15:34] <GrueMaster> bug #?
[15:35] <ogra_> bug 857299
[15:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 857299 in banshee "banshee window remain white on startup on pandaboard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857299
[15:35] <ogra_> not even triaged yet (sorry i should have done that)
[15:36] <GrueMaster> Doing it now.
[15:39] <GrueMaster> Ok, triaged and added some comments.  Also assigned to NCommander, but may want janimo to look at if he has time.  More eyes is better.
[15:40] <ogra_> yeah, even you, me and infinity should look
[15:40] <ogra_> the more the better since its our worst bug we have left
[15:40] <GrueMaster> I plan on looking from a different angle.  I will test other mono apps (f-spot, etc).
[15:42] <ogra_> GrueMaster, btw, when did we stop to subscribe u-arm ? i'm noticing that i miss a lot of bugs and bugmail
[15:43] <GrueMaster> Oops.  Need to add that.
[15:43] <ogra_> added already
[15:43] <GrueMaster> We have only stopped because I haven't had time to go bug triaging.
[15:43] <ogra_> but i noticed it on several bugs recently
[15:43] <ogra_> ah
[15:43] <ogra_> well, your work is noticeable then :) be happy :)
[15:43] <ogra_> at least it is when itss not done ;)
[15:44] <brandini> hello ogra_
[15:44] <GrueMaster> I seriously was swamped with all of the server work items.  That's why desktop is in such shambles, and none of our bugs are triaged.
[15:44] <ogra_> yeah, we need to make a fallback plan for the next time that happens
[15:44] <ogra_> the team needs to take more duties off you in such situations
[15:45] <GrueMaster> Well, I had put out an alert before Beta 1.
[15:45] <ogra_> while everyone else was busy too
[15:46] <ogra_> what i want is an emergency plan so you can just raise your hand and plan b applies for the teasm
[15:46] <ogra_> *team
[15:46] <GrueMaster> I understand.  I also put out the call to the community.
[15:47] <ogra_> and to be honest it was clear to all of us from the beginning that desktop would suffer under your workload, i wish we had worked on such a plan back last UDS
[15:47] <GrueMaster> At least during the Rally.
[15:47] <ogra_> right
[15:48] <ogra_> well, next UDS next chance :)
[15:49] <brandini> big release happening?
[15:49] <GrueMaster> brandini: This week is RC.  Next week is Final.  So...yes.
[15:49] <brandini> very cool
[15:49] <brandini> I've been testing
[15:50] <brandini> I do dist-upgrade daily and run my Go webapps :)
[15:54] <brandini> This page is being served up from my pandaboard running the latest daily http://eutonian.ath.cx
[15:54] <ogra_> nice
[15:55] <GrueMaster> brandini: I take it you are running the daily server image?
[15:56] <brandini> ogra_: I got my arduino programmed to monitor my barometer and humidity, calculate dewpoint and other things and dump that data to my pandaboard
[15:56] <brandini> GrueMaster: I am
[15:56] <ogra_> cool !
[15:56] <brandini> Yes, there is still a bug in the lcd library that keeps me from being able to use the lcd at teh same time the data dumps to the serial console
[15:57] <brandini> but I watched the barometric pressure rise yesterday and sure enough... sunshine today!
[16:36] <robclark> is it normal that I have no /lib/udev/rules.d/50-firmware.rules ? (natty filesystem..)
[16:39] <robclark> oh, hmm, /lib/udev/rules.d/...
[16:41] <jayabharath> davidm: ping
[16:41] <davidm> Hi jayabharath
[17:20] <GrueMaster> infinity: I managed to get past oem-config on 20111003, but not gracefully.  I enabled trim support for ext4.  Makes the initial install a little slower (but not by much).  And oem-config didn't respawn, but it also failed to uninstall.
[17:25] <GrueMaster> Hey, a crash dump from oem-config-remove-gtk.
[17:57] <GrueMaster> And audio is worse.  Is that even possible?
[17:57] <GrueMaster> No devices, not even HDMI Audio.
[18:17] <GrueMaster> Ok, removing trim fixed audio.  How odd.
[18:22] <GrueMaster> ogra_: Any reason we removed libreoffice from the desktop image?  There are no office suites installed now.
[18:34] <robclark> hmm, does anyone else actually use udev for firmware loading on arm?
[18:35] <robclark> udev appears to (from what I see on kernel side) to abort the fw load
[18:35] <robclark> (for no particular reason that I can see)
[19:28] <GrueMaster> f-spot appears to be working ok.  Slow on SD, but ok.  So I don't think the problem is mono, just banshee.
[20:26] <ogra_> GrueMaster, we havent shipped libreoffice since 3 releases now
[21:35] <GrueMaster> ok.  Didn't know.
[23:19] <NCommander> GrueMaster: great, lovely. At least that makes it easier to narrow down, might be one of the bindings is broken
[23:23] <NCommander> oh, weird. SO when run over X11 forwarding, banshee semi-draws
[23:24] <GrueMaster> I noticed libwaland0 is installed only on armel images (not on x86).
[23:24] <GrueMaster> Could be a function call difference?
[23:25] <GrueMaster> NCommander: ^^^
[23:25] <NCommander> possibly
[23:25] <NCommander> I thnk its more an issue with Gtk#
[23:26] <NCommander> gtk-sharp was uploaded Published on 2011-07-12
[23:27] <NCommander> it throws an exception which is uncaught


[00:06] <soee> Riddell: Kim Blaich wrote pretty long text about problems in Plasma5/Kubutn - worth checking Vivid https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/fXjVF9UZ2kF
[02:17] <ahoneybun> valorie: still around?
[02:18] <valorie> yes
[02:18] <ahoneybun> ever heard of airbnb?
[02:18] <valorie> oh yes
[02:18] <valorie> however, I never ended up using it
[02:18] <ahoneybun> i just found out about it
[02:18] <ahoneybun> I did not either
[02:18] <shadeslayer> wh ... at
[02:18] <shadeslayer> no wait
[02:18] <shadeslayer> I'm not supposed to be here
[02:19] <ahoneybun> I mean I could,
[02:19] <valorie> although my place in Estonia was probably listed there
[02:19] <shadeslayer> night
[02:19] <valorie> niters shadeslayer
[02:19] <ahoneybun> night
[02:19] <valorie> ahoneybun: you want to stay with everybody else in the hostel
[02:19] <valorie> believe me
[02:19] <ahoneybun> valorie: I will as it will be much easier
[02:19] <valorie> they even have a bus hostel <> venue
[02:20] <valorie> but yeah, elsewhere it is cool
[02:20] <ahoneybun> what I was wondering is how do I get there from the airport
[02:20] <valorie> it's on the website, or will be
[02:20] <valorie> most likely just take a bus
[02:20] <ahoneybun> yea I think I saw that
[02:21] <valorie> also there will be a place on the wiki for listing your arrival and departure times so people can share taxis if necessary
[02:21] <ahoneybun> can I use my card over there?
[02:21] <valorie> what card is that?
[02:21] <ahoneybun> thats awesome
[02:21] <ahoneybun> money wise
[02:21] <valorie> if you have a chip and pin one, then yes
[02:21] <valorie> if not, you have time to apply for one
[02:21] <ahoneybun> chipand pin?
[02:22] <valorie> or ask your bank why they aren't in the 21st century
[02:22] <valorie> just google and see
[02:22] <ahoneybun> debit card
[02:22] <valorie> the rest of the world uses chip and pin
[02:22] <ahoneybun> I think I'm fine there.
[02:22] <valorie> I wouldn't count on it
[02:22] <valorie> check around
[02:23] <ahoneybun> as in having money to pay for the hotel lol
[02:23] <valorie> if you are paying online from here, no problem
[02:23] <ahoneybun> they take the money when you get there
[02:23] <valorie> getting cash from a machine in the airport might be ok
[02:23] <valorie> other places, maybe not so much
[02:23] <valorie> sure
[02:24] <ahoneybun> I used the hotel that everyone is going to be at
[02:24] <ahoneybun> I pretty much just reserved the room
[02:24] <valorie> cool
[02:24] <valorie> and if you want to share, just ask around
[02:25] <ahoneybun> I have no problems sharing, really prefer it
[02:25] <ahoneybun> save time, money
[02:25] <ahoneybun> we all win
[02:25] <valorie> me too
[02:25] <ahoneybun> heard of SELF?
[02:25] <valorie> it's more fun
[02:25] <valorie> yes, but I've not gone yet
[02:25] <ahoneybun> I'm going to go with someone in my area
[02:25] <ahoneybun> he is doing a car pool
[02:26] <valorie> oh very cool
[02:26] <ahoneybun> yea can't wait
[02:26] <ahoneybun> for that and akademy as well lol
[02:27] <ahoneybun> how are hard is the TSA on bring back things?
[02:29] <valorie> tsa doesn't care about anything but forbidden items on board
[02:29] <valorie> it is the border people who care
[02:29] <valorie> you have to declare what you bring back
[02:30] <valorie> that's all
[02:30] <valorie> and not bring back certain food, no animals, no plants
[02:41] <ahoneybun> silly things like maybe a keychain or something
[02:44] <valorie> small stuff isn't even declared
[02:44] <valorie> you'll be fine
[02:45] <valorie> all the rules are online, and sensible
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:14] <KDDA> hi BluesKaj
[13:15] <BluesKaj> hi KDDA
[21:05] <valorie> good grief, crickets in here today
[21:46] <Riddell> cricket cricket
[21:47]  * valorie lets loose the amphibians to clean up the chan
[21:47] <valorie> oh, unless it was men in whites, with cricket bats?
[21:48] <valorie> in which case, don't step on the frogs
[22:00] <Etriaph> Can't build qt5 basket.
[22:01] <Etriaph> I know what the block is, but can't sort out how to add the dependency in QtCreator
[22:02] <Etriaph> He's packaged quazip (which builds) but I can't get the basket project to add it as an include path.
[22:10] <valorie> Etriaph: #kde-devel
[22:10] <valorie> although it's getting late for those europeans
[22:29] <Etriaph> Yup, if I can't sort it out I'll see around 2am if I can get someone to assist.
[22:40] <valorie> so exciting to hear the possibility of basket rising from the sickbed
[22:40] <valorie> if not grave
[22:46] <sitter> valorie: oh?
[22:50] <valorie> Etriaph is forking the qt5 port and working on it
[22:51] <sitter> kewl
[22:51] <valorie> it's on github these days
[22:51] <Etriaph> Well, the qt5 fork *is* the fork
[22:51] <valorie> right
[22:51] <Etriaph> But the active branch is still KDE4; just wish I could compile this.
[22:51] <Etriaph> Still fiddling though.
[23:05] <sitter> kubotu: order a fez
[23:05]  * kubotu slides a fez down the bar to sitter
[23:06] <valorie> gosh, we need fezzes for Akademy
[23:06] <valorie> I wonder if the Ubuntu Community would buy them for us
[23:06] <sitter> first someone needs to organize me travels
[23:06] <valorie> "project timelord"
[23:07] <valorie> are you flying or coming by train?
[23:07] <sitter> flying, train to spain is like<PHONE_NUMBER>0000 hours
[23:07] <sitter> actually
[23:07] <sitter> I am not sure I am attending at all
[23:07] <sitter> seems like such a bother
[23:07] <valorie> pfff
[23:08] <valorie> you will come in your blue box, and give a talk with rohan
[23:08] <valorie> otherwise, no fez for you!
[23:09] <sitter> a fez I can do without!
[23:09] <sitter> I'd much rather have a blue fedora
[23:09] <valorie> but we don't want to do without you
[23:10] <valorie> I don't want to do without you
[23:10] <sitter> :(
[23:10] <valorie> I know that Brno was within your realm
[23:10] <valorie> but A Coruna will be an adventure worthy of the work to get there
[23:11]  * valorie is coming all the way from Black Diamond, Washington
[23:11] <valorie> I wish I had puppy-dog eyes........
[23:13]  * ahoneybun is coming from Hollywood, Florida
[23:15] <ahoneybun> valorie: it will take like20 hours for you to get there
[23:15] <valorie> yep
[23:15] <valorie> I usually have the longest journey since nobody comes from Hawaii
[23:15] <ahoneybun> 15+ I think for me
[23:16] <valorie> but Scarlett has those extra hours on the train
[23:16] <valorie> so she beats me
[23:16] <ahoneybun> I beat all as this is my first time on a plane :-)
[23:16] <sitter> now that microsoft is friends with us someone should hit them up for sponsorship and hosting of akademy in redmond. problem solved
[23:17] <ahoneybun> XD
[23:19] <ahoneybun> "If Microsoft ever does applications for Linux it means I've won." - Linus Torvalds
[23:19] <valorie> unless they paid for all the europeans to fly to Seattle, I doubt that would work
[23:19] <valorie> it will always be in europe since that's where our devels mostly live
[23:19] <valorie> we can do Camp KDE again though
[23:19] <valorie> sometime
[23:19]  * ahoneybun wants to go to Austie
[23:20] <sitter> see. the sad thing about this is I propbably could get a direct flight to SEA but I can't get one to a coruna.....
[23:20] <valorie> huh
[23:20] <valorie> that's odd
[23:21] <ahoneybun> I have 2 2+ hours of layovers lol
[23:21] <valorie> I've not booked tickets yet because we don't have the money in the bank yet, and scarlett needs that
[23:21] <valorie> sgclark: you did send your bank details though, right?
[23:21] <sgclark> yep
[23:22] <sgclark> when I got back i did, so soon I hope
[23:22] <sgclark> did you get yours?
[23:23] <ahoneybun> sitter: can you make the UOS Kubuntu Kickoff?
[23:24] <valorie> not yet, although I've not searched my email yet today
[23:24] <valorie> I sent it thur I think before leaving for Bellingham
[23:24] <sitter> I can do anything \o/ (depending the lazyness at the time anyway)
[23:24] <valorie> btw, how was your train ride home?
[23:24] <sgclark> omg horrible
[23:25] <valorie> ?
[23:25] <valorie> that's no good!
[23:25] <sgclark> got tossed off train onto a bus, then in Portland met tram kicked us off twice due to "police activitiy"
[23:25] <sitter> pleasent train rides surely are only those you are hammered on
[23:26] <valorie> oh dear god
[23:26] <sgclark> finally had my husband come get me lol
[23:26]  * ahoneybun wants a tech job
[23:26] <valorie> damn it
[23:26] <sgclark> in bad part of town no less!
[23:26] <sitter> police activity?
[23:26] <valorie> at least you had Walter for company, right?
[23:26] <sgclark> never found out what the police activity was..
[23:26] <sgclark> not for the Portland part
[23:27] <sitter> how very peculiar
[23:27] <valorie> "war on drugs"
[23:27] <valorie> or some such nonsense
[23:27] <sgclark> the whole tram emptied and masses of befuddled passengers lol
[23:27] <sgclark> twice!
[23:27] <valorie> good grief
[23:28] <valorie> that's public safety for you, right there
[23:28] <sgclark> I know right
[23:28] <valorie> good going Portland cops
[23:28]  * sitter once was stuck on a train for some 5 hours in the middle of the austrian alps on account of a "fire incident" that turned out to be a bit of burning shrubbery near the tracks ^^
[23:29] <sgclark> lol
[23:29] <ahoneybun> is this the US?
[23:29] <sgclark> mine? yes Portland, OR
[23:30] <ahoneybun> sounds about right that it was in the US lol
[23:30] <Etriaph> I know and love many US citizens, but I couldn't live in your borders.
[23:30] <Etriaph> I'm happy in Canada :D
[23:30] <Etriaph> bbiab
[23:31] <valorie> you gotta watch that shrubbery though
[23:31] <valorie> you never know what's hiding in there
[23:32] <sitter> ni!
[23:32]  * valorie demands a new shrubbery!
[23:32] <sitter> xD
[23:32] <valorie> ahhhhhh
[23:32] <valorie> run away!
[23:32]  * sitter can't stop laughing just thinking about that scene
[23:33]  * ahoneybun loves a lot of non-US people as well
[23:34] <sitter> it's very unfortunate I am so bored with life I've got nothing better to do than get slightly drunk on long weekends and then laugh at monty python references
[23:34] <valorie> need a new project, sitter?
[23:34] <sitter> no motivation
[23:35] <valorie> I suggest sitting outside somewhere then, and just let life flow around you
[23:35] <sitter> so many ideas, actually I came on earlier because I wanted to write a testint framework for qapt. then I noticed something was off with kci, so I spent hours proding that into a working state and now I am too drunk for anything useful
[23:35] <ahoneybun> valorie: I got a plug to change my devices in Spain
[23:35] <sitter> valorie: I quit smoking 8 days ago \o/
[23:35] <valorie> woah!
[23:35] <ahoneybun> \o/
[23:35] <valorie> how is that going for you?
[23:35] <sitter> terrible
[23:36] <valorie> that is rather huge
[23:36] <valorie> massive stress
[23:36] <sitter> either I am raging at someone or I am litterally running around in circles on the balcony :O
[23:36] <valorie> lol
[23:36] <valorie> using a patch or anything to help?
[23:37] <valorie> I could not live with my mother when she quit
[23:37] <sitter> next thing you know I get a visit from some nice men with a straight jacket that my neighbours called xD
[23:37] <valorie> it was so horrible
[23:37] <valorie> rofl
[23:37] <sitter> valorie: cold turkey as it were
[23:37] <valorie> and you were shouting Ni! Ni!
[23:37] <valorie> not helping your case
[23:37] <sitter> xD
[23:37] <valorie> lol
[23:38] <valorie> mmm, cold turkey
[23:38] <valorie> I must be hungry
[23:39] <ahoneybun> valorie: can you make the Plasma 5 show and tell?
[23:39] <sitter> kubotu: order breakfast, at for valorie
[23:39]  * kubotu slides 5 floors of backon and some wurst with bread, a glass of schnaps and a new deck down the bar to valorie.
[23:39]  * ahoneybun needs to add that to the track list
[23:40] <sitter> I wonder what a new deck is
[23:40] <sitter> even UOS has bureaucracy?
[23:42]  * ahoneybun is thinking of taking off Monday for the UOS Q&A with Mark
[23:44] <valorie> ahoneybun: no, no can do
[23:44] <valorie> no time for that, and no skill
[23:44] <valorie> oooo, schnapps!
[23:44] <valorie> and wurst
[23:44] <valorie> awesome
[23:44] <valorie> it really is dinner time
[23:45] <sitter> that's breakfast!!!
[23:45] <valorie> lol
[23:45] <valorie> I'm almost done crafting Yet Another Email to the CC
[23:45] <valorie> then off to dinner
[23:45] <ahoneybun> no skill?
[23:47] <sitter> oh btw
[23:48] <valorie> for some show and tell, I mean
[23:49] <sitter> ovidiu-florin, ahoneybun: I've been skimming through your prediscussion for the uos show and tell thing.... and I thought that maybe you guys would be interested in a thought we had last akademy. the idea was to put together short did-you-know kind of things about cool but perhaps not immediately awesome things (like krunner) and post them semi regularly on our social media accounts in an affort to give our media presence consistent relevance for
[23:49] <sitter> people and make them more engaging
[23:50] <sitter> alas, nothing ever happend with that because I am pretty lazy
[23:50] <valorie> what a cool idea
[23:50] <valorie> right, lazy people make awesome CI systems
[23:50] <valorie> and work on weekends
[23:50] <valorie> silly man!
[23:51] <valorie> you do not have to do All The Things
[23:51] <sitter> in particular the notion was to preproduce this stuff and just post it regularly. since these topics stay relevant for quite a while anyway whenever someone has time they can put together a post but it wouldn't get posted like say a month later (or whenver it would feel right to post etc)
[23:51]  * valorie really leaves now
[23:52] <ahoneybun> that is a good idea
[23:54] <ahoneybun> sitter: who controls our social media accounts?
[23:55] <sitter> valorie: that's work-work though for the most part and has no immediate benefit for the user. it only improves and backs up what is already there, it doesn't make anything more awesome. best case scenario a normal person wouldn't know we have a CI thing going
[23:56] <sitter> ahoneybun: variety of people. Riddell posts mostly though
[23:56] <sitter> and its either content from wire.kubuntu or kubuntu.org news itself
[23:58] <ahoneybun> sitter: a small team should do it (small team= 1-2)
[23:58] <sitter> ahoneybun: posting things?
[23:58] <ahoneybun> yea
[23:59] <ahoneybun> I have a Kubuntu Promotion page for Google+
[23:59] <sitter> having a media team would be good ;)


[18:22] <m1r> navetz: ifconfig
[18:23] <navetz> m1r: i see eth1 - my wireless
[18:23] <m1r> ip adress assigned ?
[18:24] <plauclair> I can't get weather to show up, does anyone have this problem too ?
[18:24] <navetz> m1r: no I don't think so, I don't see it
[18:26] <patdk-wk> damn :)
[18:26] <patdk-wk> usb drive was only going 3mbps, after closing firefox (using 3gigs ram), it's going 18mbps
[18:29] <navetz> any ideas on how i can get internet working?
[18:30] <penguin42> navetz: If you were on wired I'd just ifconfig an IP address and add a route to get you going, I don't know the command line foo for wireless though
[18:30] <m1r> navetz: check for manual network setup :/ thats all i can help with, maybe someone here knows more
[18:34] <navetz> penguin42: okay ill try to get a wired connectioon and come back
[18:34] <navetz> penguin42: thanks
[18:34] <penguin42> no problem - I prefer wired, you can SEE where your packets are going :-)
[18:45] <dupondje> evening :)
[19:01] <wolter> Hi, is anybody getting wireless networking due to a 'serious kernel problem'?
[19:09] <symptom> Upgrading to Lucid on Borders Wi-Fi at about 1kbps!
[19:10] <nick125> symptom: Maybe you should look into IPoAC (IP over Avian Carrier)
[19:10] <pvandewyngaerde> i always automatically get logged in to gnome, i want to be able to choose,  editing the login manager options do not seem to work
[19:11] <dutchie> :( my terminal's not transparent any more
[19:11] <dutchie> also, defcon doesn't fullscreen properly
[19:13] <Redhammer_the_Ol> hi, anybody else but have "instant shutdown and reboot feature" all of a sudden?
[19:13] <pvandewyngaerde> i  had it during my last boot
[19:13] <Redhammer_the_Ol> what I mean is: no matter how terminal, gnome, gdm login screen as soon as I hit shutdown machine cold starts with boot screen and reboots this is on a vaio laptop
[19:20] <switchgirl> sudo shutdown -h +25        going down for earth hour
[19:22] <penguin42> Redhammer_the_Ol: Someone else was saying they got reboot instead of shutdown - report it against the 'linux' package
[19:22] <xcv> greets! lobbed this question into the ubuntustudio room a couple of hours ago, no reply yet. ubuntustudio lucid 64bit beta1 (upgrade from karmic) my question -- package policykit-desktop-privileges is or is not included with the ubuntustudio lucid by default? trying to figure out if I need to report a bug.
[19:24] <symptom> nick125, I have heard of IPoCP (IP over Carrier Pigeon) but not Avian Carrier, so the past few minutes have been spent traveling down the rabbit hole of April Fools RFCs... not to get off topic or anything... but in 1990 they updated the RFC with " IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service"
[19:25] <penguin42> symptom: Yeh well if you're pigeon gets eaten it's not going to be very good for your VoIP signal is it?
[19:26] <yofel> xcv: according to apt-cache the only packages that recommend polkit-d-priv are ubuntu-desktop and -netbook, so I don't think it's included
[19:26] <nick125> symptom: Bahahah
[19:27] <symptom> penguin42, nick125, even if it is pigeon hunting season IPoAC w/QoS would still be better than my att Uverse
[19:28] <xcv> yofel: thanks. not a bug, then :)
[19:31] <symptom> only 7 more days until my Lucid package downloads are complete.
[19:32] <nonameNN> if im using beta, after ubuntu lucid is released i dont need to download the iso again right, i just apply the upgrades and thats it, is it correct?
[19:32] <yofel> nonameNN: yes
[19:32] <nonameNN> ok thanks
[19:41] <oxymoron> yofel: I have a nVidia GeForce 7950 GT, you?
[19:41] <yofel> oxymoron: 7300 GT
[19:42] <oxymoron> penguin42: Oh and one strange thing is that I tried to remove plymouth and use usplash instead, same freeze ...
[19:42] <oxymoron> yofel: You upgraded from KArmic to Lucid as well?
[19:43] <yofel> nope, had to repartition and installed lucid somewhere around alpha2
[19:43] <oxymoron> yofel: Alright and you use it on proprietary nvidia drivers, which version?
[19:43] <yofel> nvidia current (195.36.15)
[19:44] <yofel> I used an older version though last time I tried plymouth
[19:44] <oxymoron> yofel: And I have been using alpha in VM environment, there it works but now on my "stable" it doesnt
[19:44] <flansuse> Is the Lucid Netbook Remix going to use the same kernel as the standard Lucid desktop installation?
[19:44] <oxymoron> yofel: 8.1-1 of plymouth should be the stable one I heard, but not for me though.
[19:44] <flansuse> Or will it used a modified kernel, optimized for netbooks / Atom processors?
[19:45] <flansuse> I believe with the Jaunty Netbook Remix, it still used the -default kernel.
[19:45] <oxymoron> yofel: And I use same nvidia-current. Do you combine it with nvidia-glx-185 as well? :)
[19:46] <oxymoron> phillw: I have tried to remove plymouth but same error, I dont think its plymouth for me that doesnt work, something else.
[19:46] <yofel> oxymoron: haha, you can safely remove 185, that's a transitional package
[19:46] <oxymoron> yofel: Alright :)
[19:47] <yofel> oxymoron: haven't tried plymouth since quite a while to be honest, maybe I'll try it at some point again
[19:47] <yofel> (beta2 probably)
[19:47] <oxymoron> Btw, what about this problem: "/usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme: not found"
[19:47] <penguin42> yofel: Seems to work here
[19:48] <duanedesign> Hello all! anyone had any issues with firefox? Or know of an issue that has arisen because of recent updates?
[19:48] <oxymoron> penguin42: Did you came up with some kind of solution for the freeze thing I told you about before?
[19:49] <penguin42> oxymoron: Doesn't freeze for me
[19:49] <penguin42> duanedesign: I'm getting firefox crashes on some flash pages
[19:49] <flansuse> It will be the same kernel used in both Lucid and Lucid NBR?
[19:49] <yofel> oxymoron: that not found error should have been fixed I think...
[19:49] <yofel> or did they fix something else...
[19:50] <Leif> In an attempt to get my sound card working, I came upon this webpage: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/amd64/linux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic/download
[19:50] <oxymoron> penguin42: Its weird, I reach grub2 first, choose 2.6.32-17 kernel then it goes black for some seconds then it shows me some rules for my logitech keyboard and rzer mouse, after that I got status code 4 from udev like 4 times and then the blinker "_" just freeze and nothing happens
[19:50] <yofel> flansuse: I think yes (generic)
[19:50] <Redhammer_the_Ol> lief what soundcard have you got
[19:50] <Leif> linked to from this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/525149
[19:51] <penguin42> oxymoron: Hmm not good, my guess is a graphics driver problem - what graphics card?
[19:51] <Redhammer_the_Ol> leif I have a vaio E series (similar but not the same), have you tried using HDA-analyser ?
[19:51] <Leif> Anyway, it won't let me run sudo apt-get install linux-backport-modules-lucid-generic, because:
[19:51] <flansuse> yofel: It's a shame that array.org did not make a netbook kernel for Karmic, let alone Lucid (more than likely will be the case.)
[19:51] <yofel> oxymoron: did you go searching for X on some other tty?
[19:51] <Leif> Redhammer_the_Ol: No, where is that?
[19:51] <Redhammer_the_Ol> hang on will look for link
[19:52] <oxymoron> penguin42: Nvidia 7950 GT
[19:52] <Leif> Anyway, because it says: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:52] <Leif>   linux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic: Depends: linux-backports-modules-alsa-2.6.32-17-generic but it is not installable
[19:52] <Leif> E: Broken packages
[19:52] <penguin42> oxymoron: I'd say if you can find a way to disable the existing Nvidia driver
[19:52] <oxymoron> yofel: Its not even possible to change tty ...
[19:52] <Redhammer_the_Ol> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9008912&postcount=8
[19:52] <Leif> Redhammer_the_Ol: Thanks...
[19:52] <Redhammer_the_Ol> I ran a sample sound file and then played with the settings
[19:52] <oxymoron> penguin42: YEs I have chrooted that partition so I can remove and install packages on it ;)
[19:52] <Redhammer_the_Ol> its a temporary fix but you could post you results against your bug
[19:53] <penguin42> oxymoron: I'd take out any nvidia drivers and once you can get it booted add them back
[19:53] <Leif> Redhammer_the_Ol: BTW, the headphone jack doesn't work.
[19:53] <oxymoron> penguin42: Alright good idea I try that :)
[19:53] <Cuppa-Chino> Leif, that is also something you could check with the analyser
[19:53] <Leif> Cuppa-Chino: Okay, downloading now...
[19:54] <Leif> Cuppa-Chino: Wow, okay, that's a lot of data, any suggestions where I should start looking?
[19:54] <Cuppa-Chino> one sec
[19:54] <Leif> There are two codecs btw
[19:55] <duanedesign> penguin42: FF wont launch after the update this morning. firefox -P, creating a new profile, it will launch..once.
[19:55] <penguin42> duanedesign: Launches OK here
[19:56] <duanedesign> hmm. ok. thanks penguin42
[19:56] <yofel> duanedesign: oh, you too? I use firefox -safe-mode; firefox to start it here
[19:56] <Cuppa-Chino> Leif did you see the window I tried to open
[19:57] <Leif> No, I didn't see you try to open a window.  But the app did
[19:57] <Leif> Cuppa-Chino:
[19:58] <Cuppa-Chino> I will ask for some code pasting ?
[19:58] <Cuppa-Chino> I mean an IRC window
[19:59] <Cuppa-Chino> try starting a conversation directly in IRC so we do not clog up this channel
[19:59] <oxymoron> penguin42: Sorry to say, but same error ...
[19:59] <Leif> Oh...I'm on irc in empathhy...maybe I did, give me a moment...
[19:59] <Cuppa-Chino> try double clicking my name
[19:59] <oxymoron> penguin42: ONe difference though, it changed resolution on the screen so the font became more clear :P
[19:59] <penguin42> oxymoron: Yah progress; ish
[20:00] <oxymoron> penguin42: Yeah one difference anyway :P Its exciting to make this work, I will continue until it work
[20:00] <duanedesign> yofel: aha thank you
[20:01] <yofel> duanedesign: I didn't have time yet, but you could ask for help at debugging in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[20:06] <Sarvatt> oxymoron: try booting with blacklist=nouveau
[20:06] <Sarvatt> oxymoron: do you have /usr mounted on a seperate partition?
[20:13] <duanedesign> yofel: if i find anything i will let you know
[20:15] <venger> how can i disable something in /etc/init/ say for example gdm -- i thought in the past i could do update-rc.d gdm disable but perhaps this is some evolution of upstart?
[20:16] <h4f> venger:  I guess you can do something like stop mysql
[20:17] <venger> h4f, how about making it stick across reboot?
[20:19] <venger> this somewhat reminds me of /etc/event.d which doesn't exist but i don't remember the command to change the start on/stop on settings even for that
[20:19] <h4f> venger: sudo sysv-rc-conf
[20:19] <yofel> sysv-rc conf is for sysv scripts
[20:20] <yofel> venger: if you want to make it stick across reboot edit the start on statement in the /etc/init/ script
[20:21] <dutchie> hmm, this set of updates appears to be most buggy for me
[20:21] <dutchie> :(
[20:22] <venger> yofel, h4f thanks
[20:23] <Volkodav> http://alexmak.net/blog/2008/06/27/bill-gates-struggles-with-windows/
[20:23] <Volkodav> :-D
[20:24] <guntbert> !ot | Volkodav
[20:25] <dutchie> wow, how odd
[20:25]  * dutchie files a bug
[20:25] <Cuppa-Chino> short question has anybody got radeon mobilty hd5series working with FGLRX ?
[20:25] <Cuppa-Chino> on amd64 system
[20:25] <DanaG> venger: try commenting out the "start on" and "stop on" lines?
[20:26] <venger> DanaG, i did, a reboot in process :)
[20:26] <dutchie> what package should I file against for the mail indicator applet thingummy?
[20:26] <penguin42> dutchie: Possibly indicator-messages ?
[20:27] <dutchie> seems about right
[20:30] <aboSamoor> is there any way to make evolution notify me of any coming emails as a background process ? I mean the window is closed as what empathy do ?
[20:32] <Blue11> wow did your hear abount the newest ubuntu flame war?  over how file size is determined?
[20:32] <penguin42> Is anyone seeing odd stuff in the notification area on laptops?  The battery icon keeps on coming and going, I've got a bit of a gap next to it and a strange grating at the end - anyone else?
[20:33] <yofel> Blue11: that's not a flame war but an important step into the right direction
[20:33]  * penguin42 is indifferent about it - but I'm sure having rules about when to use each type is going to break horribly
[20:34] <Blue11> yofel: they are making too many bad deciisions -- first it was button placement, no this.  If SuSE weren't on the skids I'd go back to that.
[20:34]  * yofel doesn't care either, unless IEC and SI get mixed up
[20:35] <penguin42> yofel: I think the problem is where you have one thing in IEC it's not obvious whether it will fit on the space you have on your SI thing
[20:35] <yofel> penguin42: exactly
[20:35] <jammcq> I'm at a bugjam in detroit.  trying to get a 3g wireless device working on Lucid.  In the past, i had to edit a hal file to make it work.  Now, I don't know what to edit, because hal is gone.  Is there a udev file somewhere?
[20:35] <yofel> that's why they reverted it, as we won't be able to fix everything at the same time
[20:35] <yofel> especially not in time for lucid
[20:36] <duanedesign> yofel: do you use the Prism add-on?
[20:36] <BUGabundo_dinner> I trully wish IRC was connection friendly, so I could suspend my laptop and then resume IRC without so much pain, lets all help save the World
[20:37] <yofel> duanedesign: for some reason i don't remember it's installed here, yes
[20:37] <DanaG> jammcq: check /usr/lib/udev/rules.d/
[20:37] <duanedesign> yofel: i found the bug affecting me bug 546766  deleting the compatability.ini in the profile folder allows FF to start. Disabling Prism is the workaround
[20:37] <Bittarman> BUGabundo, if you have access to a dedicated server / VPS, you could always set up ZNC / psyBNC
[20:37] <DanaG> but if you edit a file, copy it to /etc/udev/rules.d/ first.
[20:37] <Bittarman> it would be pretty seamless then
[20:38] <jammcq> DanaG: sadly,  my /usr/lib/udev directory is empty
[20:38] <yofel> duanedesign: I'll test it
[20:39] <DanaG> ah, /lib/udev/
[20:39] <DanaG> not /usr/lib/
[20:39] <drbobb> support for my old laptop's video is still fully broken in lucid, it's been nroken since intrepid and I guess it won't be fixed
[20:40] <drbobb> nroken -> broken
[20:40] <BUGabundo> Bittarman: would still meant to have a machine running !
[20:40] <Bittarman> BUGabundo, sure... A machine..
[20:40] <Bittarman> I did not "if you have access to a...."
[20:40] <Bittarman> s/not/note
[20:41] <Blue11> drbobb: have you tried backporting?
[20:41] <yofel> duanedesign: seems to work for now, thanks!
[20:42] <duanedesign> yofel: great! if you get a chance might want to click the 'affecting me' link/button on the bug
[20:42] <drbobb> Blue11: I was sort of hopeful because the X11 driver from the ppa more or less works for me, when used in combo with the kernel framebuffer
[20:42] <drbobb> works in karmic that is
[20:42] <drbobb> but I just tried the beta installer and it is utterly no-worky
[20:42] <Blue11> drbobb: I had issues in 9.10 with my netbook's wlan card, and had to backport to solve the issues
[20:44] <drbobb> Blue11: I'm sure I'll solve it for myself some way or another, but the installer will give a rude surprise to any unexpecting beginner
[20:44] <Blue11> drbobb: true dat
[20:44] <drbobb> both text mode and X11 are totally corrupted
[20:45] <drbobb> and it used to work pretty well in hardy, *sigh*
[20:45] <Leif> My laptop crashed, and when I restarted it, the indicator applet in the gnome-bar (the one with the envalope), doesn't have a menu anymore, although the applications work when I start them from the applications menu.  Has anyone had this trouble before?
[20:45] <drbobb> what's frustrating is that this bugginess has been reported many times before
[20:46] <drbobb> just look at the long list of bugs under xorg-video-sis
[20:46] <penguin42> ah, sis
[20:47] <Ian_Corne> anyone with an ati card here?
[20:47] <drbobb> well guess it's time to scrap this piece of junk
[20:47] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Yep
[20:47] <Ian_Corne> My jockey menu still doesn't show the fglrx driver
[20:47] <Ian_Corne> same for you?
[20:48] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Let me look
[20:48] <henke> why does the plymouth boot splash only show for some second before gdm starts? I am using the nouveau driver. Do I need another framebuffer driver before nouveau kicks in?
[20:49] <Ian_Corne> henke: because it boots to fast?
[20:49] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Yeh, if I go to Hardware Drivers it says 'No proprietary drivers are in use on this system and doesn't offer any
[20:50] <lontra> hi two questions, is the bbc iplayer plugin thingy for totem not working in lucid? also i have an intel card and my screen occasionally flickers and i have no plymouth theme during boot only shutdown
[20:50] <lontra> i guess that's three ;)
[20:50] <henke> Ian_Corne, no, most of the bootup process passes before, with no framebuffer
[20:50] <lontra> also i think lucid is a huge step in the right direction for ubuntu ... it looks slick and works well already
[20:51] <Ian_Corne> Am I wrong to think that there should be one listed penguin42 ?
[20:51] <Ian_Corne> I thought canonical got the pre-release ?
[20:51] <drbobb> ehm, as I  pointed out above, lucid does not work for me at all and will not work w/o some major hacking
[20:52] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: I'd have expected one - even though I use the free driver OK - maybe it's not available yet?
[20:52] <Ian_Corne> I don't know
[20:52] <drbobb> not that I'm asking anyone to fix it for me, just let's not get too optimistic
[20:52] <Cuppa-Chino> jockey does not show the fglrx for me either
[20:52] <hassanakevazir> lontra, I remember reading somewhere that bbc has cut off open source software access to their streams
[20:52] <Cuppa-Chino> but more worrying it segfaults after manual install
[20:53] <Cuppa-Chino> this is on mobility hd5650. has anyonle got that or another mobility hd5xxx card working with the 10,4 pre-catalyst
[20:53] <lontra> hassanakevazir: really? totally lame :P
[20:54] <lontra> yeah cause it tells me can not connect to server
[20:54] <lontra> i really liked that :(
[20:56] <hassanakevazir> lontra, oh, no not that, it should be only for video players
[20:56] <hassanakevazir> lontra, vide streams*
[20:57] <hassanakevazir> Actually I just tried right now, I can't connect  at all either, even for radio
[20:57] <DanaG> hmm, new fglrx can't be activated.
[20:57] <DanaG> SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[20:58] <Cuppa-Chino> danag do not do it via jockey
[20:58] <Cuppa-Chino> jockey somehow does not work
[20:58] <Cuppa-Chino> have you tried manually via synaptic
[20:58] <DanaG> and if I just plain install it, xorg can't find the fglrx module.
[20:58] <Cuppa-Chino> hmm
[20:58] <DanaG> I have the packages already installed... but it's not using them.
[20:58] <Ian_Corne> Version: 2:8.721-0ubuntu5 (fglrx-amdcccle)
[20:58] <Ian_Corne> is that the version I want?
[20:59] <Ian_Corne> Version: 2:8.721-0ubuntu5 (fglrx)
[20:59] <DanaG> aticonfig command is not in path, also.
[21:00] <Nandou> Hello, I have a MacBookPro 5,3 and I'm currently trying to install the Lucid Lynx beta 1 using the liveCD. I was unable to install it so far as I have encountered problems with the nouveau driver which was resolved by using the "nomodeset" option but I can't go past the "b43-phy0 Error: found unsupported PHY". I have tried different options without any luck so far, does anyone have an idea on how I could install 10.
[21:01] <lontra> hassanakevazir: oh ok
[21:01]  * Cuppa-Chino taking 5 to be frustrated by gbrainy
[21:03] <Nandou> I'am actually trying to find a way to blacklist the b43 driver from the liveCD so I can install ubuntu...
[21:06] <DanaG> ah, had to add /usr/lib/fglrx/xorg/modules into xorg.conf modulepath.
[21:06] <DanaG> now, however, it's failing somewhere different.
[21:07] <Leif> Does anyone know if there is an options menu for the indicator applet?
[21:07] <Leif> In the gnome-terminal
[21:07] <DanaG> now libatiuki.so.1 is missing.
[21:08] <Leif> I ask because it appears to have broken.
[21:10] <hassanakevazir> nah, it seems to be one of those wacky designs thingies that gives less options to users?
[21:10] <penguin42> DanaG: Someone had that the other day, remove your /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 which gets left behind by frglx
[21:10] <Cuppa-Chino> ok (despite my better judgement) I will just blankly try and install fglrx again
[21:10] <DanaG> I'm trying to use fglrx, actually.
[21:10] <DanaG> It's not installing properly, though.
[21:11] <hassanakevazir> Nandou, you can try installing from the alternative cd and repairing it later from command line
[21:11] <DanaG>  /usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules/ -- what a weird path.
[21:12] <DanaG> ah, fixed it.
[21:12] <DanaG> had to purge fglrx-amdcccle and fglrx, and then reinstall them.
[21:12] <vish> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/ABetterThemeForLucid
[21:12] <vish> lol^
[21:13] <Hellow> vish: Nice theme name.
[21:14] <vish> Hellow: "wasnt me" though ;)
[21:14] <Hellow> Contributions
[21:14] <Hellow> The designer of the "amateur" theme, which I don't know who is
[21:18] <navetz> can someone help me fix my computer
[21:18] <vega> !ask | navetz
[21:18] <Hellow> navetz: That's a very vague question. What's wrong with it?
[21:19] <navetz> sorry i didn't mean to press enter
[21:19] <navetz> during the upgrade process everything broke
[21:19] <Hellow> Errors?
[21:19] <navetz> and now i don't have internet on my laptop either to fix the packages
[21:19] <navetz> says no dhclient
[21:20] <yofel> navetz: can you use a wired connection or configure the network by hand?
[21:20] <Hellow> navetz: Execute in a terminal: "ls /usr/bin | grep dhclient"
[21:20] <Hellow> Without the quotes.
[21:20] <Hellow> Tell me if there's output or not.
[21:20] <navetz> yofel: i am using a wired connection and i have tried to configure by hand
[21:21] <navetz> Hellow: okay give me 1 sec i was just rebooting to test
[21:21] <yofel> Hellow: dhclient should be /sbin/dhclient btw
[21:22] <Hellow> Actually, that's correct.
[21:22] <Hellow> navetz: Correction, execute "ls /sbin/ | grep dhclient"
[21:22] <Nandou> Hello, I have a MacBookPro 5,3 and I'm currently trying to install the Lucid Lynx beta 1 using the liveCD. I was unable to install it so far as I have encountered problems with the nouveau driver which was resolved by using the "nomodeset" option but I can't go past the "b43-phy0 Error: found unsupported PHY". I have tried different options without any luck so far, does anyone have an idea on how I could install 10.
[21:23] <Nandou> I think I could boot my computer by blacklisting the b43 module
[21:24] <Nandou> but I have no idea if that's possible on a liveCD
[21:25] <navetz>  hello yes it shows dhclient and dhclient-script
[21:25] <yofel> Nandou: I think Sarvatt mentioned something like adding 'blacklist=<module>' to the kernel boot line before
[21:25] <Hellow> navetz: Then execute "sudo /sbin/dhclient"
[21:26] <Nandou> yofel: Okay I will try that
[21:26] <xguru> http://www.pastebin.org/126285
[21:26] <xguru> ooppss....well any help with that?
[21:27] <navetz> Hellow: looks like dhclient is a sym link to dhclient3, and i don't have dhclient
[21:27] <navetz> i mean i don't have dhclient3 ***
[21:27] <guntbert> !here | xguru
[21:28] <yofel> navetz: do you have 'dhcp3-client' installed?
[21:28] <xguru> trying to make my cd/dvd drive write +RW as dvd-rom
[21:28] <navetz> yofel: I use to, but during my upgrade to lucid things broke
[21:29] <yofel> navetz: do you have 'network-manager' installed?
[21:29] <Nandou> what's the name of the b43 module in lucid? bcm43xx b43legacy or just b43... ?
[21:29] <olga_> guys, i cant launch startupmanager , heres what i get, anyone any suggestions? sudo apt-get install zlib1 zlibc
[21:29] <Sarvatt> Nandou: that b43 error wouldn't stop the boot, it probably just happens its the last thing shown before whats actually stopping it kicks in. try booting with blacklist=nouveau to see if it works right and install nvidia-current which will blacklist nouveau when its installed. there's no point booting nouveau with nomodeset since there is no non-KMS nouveau support in the X driver anyway. removing splash from the command line might fix it as well
[21:30] <olga_> ah no, this : http://pastebin.com/0AeMbdvK
[21:30] <Nandou> Sarvatt: I will try right now
[21:30] <navetz> yofel: im not sure, I think so.
[21:30] <navetz> yofel: is there a way to reconfigure it?
[21:31] <yofel> navetz: then something's not right, n-m should depend on dchp3-client
[21:31] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Hi, sorry about the delay I recently watched a movie :P I have tried booting after removing the package nouveau but doesnt work.
[21:31] <navetz> yofel: things broke when i was upgrading. right now i can't get into X and nothing is upgraded properly
[21:31] <yofel> navetz: did you at least start with 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' ?
[21:32] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: And what did you mean with /usr mounted on another partition?
[21:32] <Sarvatt> Nandou: you need to install bcmwl-kernel-source for your wireless device to work though, it should be available in hardware drivers after you make it to the desktop
[21:32] <navetz> yofel: yes but that does nothing
[21:32] <yofel> navetz: ok, do you have *some* network connection on that system?
[21:32] <navetz> yofel:  when i do aptitude safe-upgrade lots of things show up but i have no network connection to fix it
[21:32] <Sarvatt> oxymoron: removing the nouveau package doesn't really do anything to fix your problem, you have a kernel module automatically loading thats not in a seperate package you can remove
[21:32] <navetz> yofel: no, no network connection is workign at all on the system
[21:33] <yofel> navetz: ok, do you have access to a wired connection?
[21:33] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Alright, how do I blacklist nouveau then in the kernel on bootup?
[21:33] <navetz> yofel: yes it is plugged in currently
[21:33] <yofel> navetz: ok, then let's do it the manual way
[21:33] <navetz> yofel: sure
[21:33] <Sarvatt> boot with blacklist=nouveau, you can hold shift while booting, select the kernel in grub and press e, scroll down to where you see quiet splash and add blacklist=nouveau after it
[21:34] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Sorry to ask but never done anything like that, what does the shift holding does?
[21:35] <Cuppa-Chino> here goes fglrx and another segfault ? fingers crossed
[21:35] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Btw, idsnt it possible to just use dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and there in the boot command line add blacklist=nouveau?
[21:35] <Sarvatt> it lets you pick options in grub instead of silently booting ubuntu, ya wont need to do that if you  have another OS installed and see the grub menu now though
[21:35] <yofel> navetz: do you roughly know how your network is configured? (IP address of your router and the IP address that you usually get)
[21:36] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Ah cool, always good to now :)
[21:36] <navetz> yofel: yes, i usually get <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:37] <yofel> navetz: ok, then please run 'sudo nano -w /etc/network/interfaces' and adjust eth0 to your wired interface, address is your IP and gateway is the routers IP http://paste.ubuntu.com/402589
[21:37] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Or maybe that not good, because it could break something. Ill try the blacklist=nouveau then :) Btw, do you know if nouveau stands for something, or why just that name/word?
[21:38] <DanaG> actually, if you just want to get it up temporarily, you can sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:38] <Sarvatt> you can add options to have grub use by default by editing /etc/default/grub, the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" just add it to the end like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash whatever" and sudo update-grub afterwards. I dont know why nouveau isnt getting blacklisted for you though if you have the nvidia proprietary drivers installed, the only situation where thats happening that I have seen are if /usr is mounted on a sepa
[21:38] <Sarvatt> rate partition
[21:38] <penguin42> yofel: Will that work if it's ever been NM'd ?
[21:38] <yofel> navetz: the paste has my servers setup here
[21:38] <DanaG> sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>  (or .0.254, if that's the router).
[21:38] <yofel> penguin42: /etc/network/interfaces has a higher priority than NM
[21:38] <DanaG> and then edit /etc/resolv.conf to add nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>.
[21:38] <penguin42> yofel: Ah OK, I've had bad experiences mixing them
[21:38] <DanaG> If dhclient doesn't exist... you can now install it. =þ
[21:39] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: If it works, what should I do? And if not, what then? :P
[21:39] <yofel> navetz: can you try what DanaG said, that might be actually faster right now
[21:39] <navetz> yofel: okay, im going to check to see what my netmask and gateway are
[21:40] <navetz> yofel:  ohh okay ill do what DanaG said
[21:40] <DanaG> what
[21:40] <DanaG> what's your router? .0.1, or .0.254?
[21:40] <navetz> DanaG: .0.1
[21:42] <DanaG> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (used by debian/xserver-xephyr/usr/bin/Xephyr).
[21:42] <DanaG> argh
[21:43] <yofel> navetz: where are you now?
[21:43] <Nandou> Sarvatt: "blacklist=nouveau" didnt do the job, It
[21:43] <Cuppa-Chino> hooray it did not work
[21:43] <Nandou> It's still stuck
[21:44] <navetz> yofel: i am trying to add nameserver to the route.conf right now
[21:44] <DanaG> er, note to self: don't do dpkg-buildpackage while upgrading a package's build-deps.
[21:44] <Nandou> Sarvatt: But I receive the message [drm] nouveau 0000:02:00: PRAMIN flush timeout" wich I didnt receive with nomodeset
[21:45] <Cuppa-Chino> danag were you trying for the fgrlx ?
[21:45] <navetz> DanaG, yofel, it worked I have internet :)
[21:45] <DanaG> I got mine working -- had to purge and reinstall the two fglrx packages.
[21:45] <Nandou> either the blacklist=nouveau doesn't really work or I don't put it at the right place!
[21:45] <yofel> navetz: :) then aptitude should work now
[21:45] <DanaG> now I'm building an updated xorg with the don't-do-the-stupid-readback-from-video-ram patch.
[21:45] <Cuppa-Chino> danag which card ?
[21:45] <Cuppa-Chino> and which manufacturer of the card
[21:46] <DanaG> Mobility FireGL V5700 (HD3650, RV635).
[21:46] <navetz> yofel: alright, ill do safe-upgrade, sounds like the right thing?
[21:46] <Cuppa-Chino> k, I keep getting segfaults ? did you have those ?
[21:47] <yofel> navetz: for now yes
[21:47] <Sarvatt> Nandou: did you add it just after quiet splash?
[21:47] <Nandou> [...]initrd.lz blacklist=nouveau
[21:47] <Nandou> that's how I added it
[21:48] <Nandou> I removed the quiet splash --
[21:48] <bsmith093> does anyone know how to fix a update error involving the partition suddenly becoming a read only drive
[21:48] <penguin42> bsmith093: Is it still in that state?
[21:48] <bsmith093> ye
[21:48] <bsmith093> yes
[21:49] <penguin42> bsmith093: Do a dmesg and look at the errors it should show the errors that led up to that happening
[21:49] <bsmith093> i am running jaunty off a live cd the lucid system is unbootable
[21:49] <penguin42> oh, so you've rebooted ? What happened before that
[21:50] <bsmith093> i was updating it said something about ia32 i think
[21:50] <bsmith093> and then it said the system was readonly
[21:50] <bsmith093> segfaulted
[21:50] <bsmith093> and dpkg configure -a was no help
[21:51] <bsmith093> should i just install with todays build
[21:51] <penguin42> bsmith093: That's not good, if the filesystem went read-only it normally means there was an IO error or filesystem corruption on the drive being written to
[21:51] <bsmith093> i rebooted and it hung on a fsck
[21:51] <bsmith093> saying filesystem corrupted
[21:52] <bsmith093> but i checked it with gparted in the jaunty cd i have and it didnt say anything about errors
[21:52] <penguin42> bsmith093: Does smart show any errors? (smartctl -a )
[21:52] <bsmith093> how do i check now
[21:52] <bsmith093> im not running that partition
[21:53] <penguin42> bsmith093: From your CD do smartctl -a /dev/sda (if /dev/sda is your hard drive)
[21:53] <Nandou> Sarvatt: The "[drm] nouveau PRAMIN flush timeout error mesage does not show up at the same place thought, without blacklist=nouveau it happen right after the usb, with blacklist=nouveau it happen after the b43-phy0 ERROR
[21:54] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Hmm, I couldnt find quiet splash when pressed e and edited commandline for boot kernel, but I tried blacklist=nouveau and same error still. I am not sure it is nouveau, plymouth or nvidia at all.
[21:54] <Nandou> oxymoron: are you also trying to boot a macbook?
[21:54] <oxymoron> Nandou: No, a normal PC ;)
[21:55] <Nandou> oxymoron: yeah... I miss my old dell right now
[21:55] <oxymoron> Nandou: Hehe :P Why so?
[21:55] <Nandou> oxymoron: cant's even boot from USB with thoses expansives piece of crap
[21:56] <bsmith093> so what output of smartctl do u want to know
[21:56] <penguin42> bsmith093: What does it say in the 'SMART Error Log' or 'SMART Self-test log structure'
[21:57] <oxymoron> Nandou: Hahahaham lol xD Thats the price you have to pay for Apples products, software incompatibilities like Itunes or in your case cant boot from USB sticks :P
[21:57] <penguin42> bsmith093: Or just pastebin the whole thing
[21:57] <bsmith093> smart error log version 1
[21:57] <bsmith093> no errors logged
[21:58] <bsmith093> and under log structure is a bunch of completeed without error
[21:58] <penguin42> bsmith093: OK, that's good - it means the drive thinks it's probably OK (unless any of the numbers have gone above threshold) - but that should mean the reason it went read-only wasn't a failing drive
[21:58] <bsmith093> so should i just burn todays build
[21:58] <bsmith093> and reinstall
[21:59] <penguin42> bsmith093: So you can fsck the fielsystem that's there, hope it fixes enough to then try and fight with whatever mess it's left or reinstall - it's safest to reinstall if you can
[21:59] <bsmith093> ok
[21:59] <penguin42> bsmith093: who knows what mess it's left it in - but it would be good to know why it went read-only - keep a look out for anything odd
[21:59] <bsmith093> oh um under type there are a lot of old age and prefail
[22:00] <bsmith093> this system is only 2 years old
[22:00] <penguin42> bsmith093: As long as there isn't anything in the 'WHEN_FAILED' field you're OK
[22:00] <bsmith093> should i be worried
[22:00] <bsmith093> ok thanx
[22:00] <bsmith093> btw where can i get the latest build
[22:00] <oxymoron> Nandou: Do you have any ideas how to boot Lucid, or do you have to wait until 8 april for next beta?
[22:01] <penguin42> bsmith093: Watch for 'reallocated_sector_ct' or similar that should always be 0 (or low if it loses the occasional one)
[22:01] <Nandou> oxymoron: I'm running in the same problem as you with the nouveau driver
[22:01] <bsmith093> reallocated sector ct is 200
[22:01] <oxymoron> Nandou: It feels like I have tried everything and I will NOT remove all my apps and settings for a clean install of a beta that maybe not work anyway :P
[22:02] <penguin42> bsmith093: Hmm - can you put the whole thing into a pastebin?
[22:02] <bsmith093> sure how
[22:02] <penguin42> (you have 6 mins - because then I go and watch Heroes!)
[22:02] <Nandou> oxymoron: I'm trying the liveCD to install lucid ..
[22:02] <oxymoron> Nandou: Its really strange, it just freeze and I have tried remove nouveau, plymouth, different things.
[22:02] <guntbert> !pastebin | bsmith093
[22:03] <oxymoron> Nandou: I wanted to upgrade my karmic to lucid ... to solve problems in karmic and got other errors instead xD
[22:03] <Nandou> oxymoron: but in your case cant you just add blacklist=nouveau in the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf file?
[22:03] <Nandou> oxymoron: "blacklist nouveau" in fact... no "="
[22:04] <bsmith093> here http://paste.ubuntu.com/402599/
[22:04] <bsmith093> thats really cool btw
[22:04] <bsmith093> keeps people from pastebombing
[22:05] <oxymoron> Nandou: Yeah I could try that one, I havent tied that I am not that skilled yet but soon I will understand more and more :P
[22:05] <bsmith093> penguin42 http://paste.ubuntu.com/402599/
[22:05] <Nandou> oxymoron: Do you want to try?
[22:06] <penguin42> bsmith093: Yeh I think that's fine - the 'raw_value' for the reallocated are zero - that's a happy drive
[22:06] <bsmith093> ok then'
[22:06] <bsmith093> so its not going to up and die anytime soon
[22:06] <oxymoron> Nandou: Yes sure, I have two backup ways anyhow, for the moment I use LiveCD but I also have a parallell partition if my stable on *** up sort of speak, which it has xD Its quite annoying grub2 overwrite them depending on which one I used update-grub last on xD
[22:07] <penguin42> bsmith093: Well, it's currently happy - what it does the millisecond after you put critical data on it is anyones guess :-)
[22:07] <bsmith093> good point
[22:07] <bsmith093> so anyway whats the link for the most recent build of lucid
[22:07] <Nandou> oxymoron: But you are trying to boot your installed system, not just a liveCD right?
[22:07] <oxymoron> Nandou: Exactly what does modprobe and blacklist do? If I blacklist nouveau, does that mean the module doesnt load on kernel init?
[22:07] <penguin42> bsmith093: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:07] <bsmith093> thans
[22:08] <oxymoron> Nandou: yes of course
[22:08] <Nandou> oxymoron: well, I tryed blacklist=nouveau on my own computer and it look like it's being loaded anyhow
[22:09] <Nandou> oxymoron: that's why I think it would be better in your case to blacklist using the blacklist.conf file
[22:09] <oxymoron> Nandou: Strange, well I try that and see if it helps someway. But even if it do, what should I do once I get inside? :D
[22:09] <Nandou> oxymoron: you mean?? with ubuntu?
[22:10] <oxymoron> Nandou: When I suceed to boot into Kubuntu Lucid Beta1 I mean ;)
[22:10] <oxymoron> Nandou: Hmm I wonder if it is any difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu in bootup
[22:10] <gringochapin> Hi all, we discussed it some in the #ubuntu-locoteams chan, but I thought I'd ask in here.  Any ideas on why hardware testing through the GNome "system testing" util is failing when trying to submit results?
[22:11] <Nandou> oxymoron: You want to know how to setup the drivers or just how to use ubuntu?
[22:11] <oxymoron> Nandou: I know how to use ubuntu ... lol. I mean if I get inside should I update, change some settings or anything? :P
[22:12] <brainproxy> upgraded my netbook to the beta, installed gvim and noticed there's no icon for it that got added to the main apps menu
[22:12] <brainproxy> easy way to add that?
[22:13]  * oxymoron is brb
[22:13] <yofel> gringochapin: try asking in #ubuntu-testing
[22:13] <Nandou> oxymoron: I don't know! If you have a nvidia card you might want to find another nvidia driver for your video card..
[22:13] <gringochapin> Will do.
[22:13] <Nandou> oxymoron: wireless... etc..
[22:13] <gringochapin> yofel: thanks.
[22:14] <randomusr> updates broke some things
[22:15] <randomusr> Flash player is funky, my twn key doesn't work, and moving between windows is crap at best
[22:15] <randomusr> what happened?
[22:15] <yofel> brainproxy: do you have 'vim-gui-common' installed?
[22:16] <ddelony> How is battery life on an EEE PC with 10.04 compared with the last version?
[22:17] <brainproxy> yofel: i installed gvim
[22:17] <brainproxy> from cmd line
[22:17] <brainproxy> then undid that
[22:17] <brainproxy> and did it through the gui software panel
[22:18] <brainproxy> yes, the pkg you named is installed
[22:18] <yofel> brainproxy: what I mean is, dpkg -S tells me: vim-gui-common: /usr/share/applications/gvim.desktop
[22:18] <yofel> that should be the menu entry
[22:19] <randomusr> does anyone know why recent updates would break any functionality on 10.04?
[22:19] <yofel> randomusr: it's beta (ok, sry) when did you update the last time?
[22:20] <randomusr> friday morning or last night
[22:20] <randomusr> very recent anyway
[22:21] <randomusr> yofel, is there a way to remove the latest updates?
[22:22] <yofel> nope (well you could check the dpkg log to find the package names and hope that you still have the old .deb files /var/cache/apt/archives)
[22:22] <mozmck2> how do you set up IRC in empathy?  I can't find it at all in lucid
[22:22] <randomusr> yuck
[22:25] <arand> mozmck2: setup another account first, then IRC, (stupid, indeed)
[22:26] <mozmck2> yuck, I don't have another account to setup
[22:26] <mozmck2> I hate all the social networking stuff on the internet
[22:26] <KDesk> hi, how is the lucid stability, specialy with KDE?
[22:27] <arand> mozmck2: And empathy isn't really meant for IRC at all.
[22:28] <Nandou> On a MacBookPro5,3 , I can't boot the liveCD to install ubuntu lucid lynx, I receive the message : "[drm] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: PRAMIN flush timeout". With the option "blacklist=nouveau" the boot process is being interrupted by the same error message but it's not happening at the same place, without blacklist it happen right after the USB detection and with blacklist it happen after : "init: unreadahead-other main p
[22:29] <Nandou> while reading I found the option rdblacklist wich I thought could solve my problem but it didnt and I'm still stuck at that point
[22:30] <oxymoron> Nandou: I reached success now, it was something like set gfxpayload and quiet splash was removed in kernel command line xD
[22:31] <oxymoron> Nandou: But I got the plymouth video thing, really awesome except that it doesnt finish the preloader and continue to my desktop xD
[22:32] <arand> oxymoron: mind sharing steps&syntax for gfxpayload?
[22:34] <oxymoron> arand: set gfxpayload = keep, that line I removed ... because it were inside in grub and kernel boot. But you go into grub, highlight your kernel, press e key on keyboard and then you can edit the command for boot kernel, there no gfxpayload should be as it were for me and quiet splash must be added. Not sure if it was only for me, but it aint work before thats for sure
[22:35] <mozmck2> arand: then pidgin is still *way* better than empathy :)
[22:36]  * oxymoron will brb and try to boot again with nvidia and nouveau turned on.
[22:36] <ddecator> can someone please ping me a sec? i'm trying to test something
[22:37] <yofel> ddecator: ping
[22:37] <ddecator> yofel: thanks...didn't work =\
[22:43] <monkey_dust> what does /etc/network/interfaces look like, for static IP addrz
[22:43] <monkey_dust> what does /etc/network/interfaces look like, for static IP address, without network manager -- google did not show working solutions - hints & tips?
[22:43] <yofel> monkey_dust: here's what I have here http://paste.ubuntu.com/402589/
[22:44] <monkey_dust> yofel, specifically for wireless -- eth0 works
[22:45] <yofel> oh, don't you need wpa_supplicant for that too?
[22:45] <monkey_dust> idd, i read that, but is it mandatory or optional?
[22:46] <yofel> don't know, sry
[22:47] <monkey_dust> don't be, nor do i
[22:48] <yofel> If I'm not mistaken wpa_supplicant is used to connect to the AP
[22:48] <DanaG> wpa_supplicant handles encryption stuff.
[22:50]  * oxymoron wants to know what to do if plymouth and almost everything work but the loadbar freeze after awhile and goes really really slow and doesnt continue to my desktop afterwards?
[22:51] <arand> Odd Bug #549919 , anyone for confirming/defirming?
[22:52] <Blue11> arand: are you using an nvidia card?
[22:53] <arand> Blue11: Indeed I am, driver related?
[22:53] <Blue11> arand: I've heard ther are problems with the nvidia drivers for lucid -- I am using the stock ati driver on this machine
[22:54] <arand> Blue11: However this was seen in a virualbox...
[22:54]  * Blue11 is not smart enough to run virtualbox
[22:54] <arand> Blue11: Would be great if you could test on ATI, to see if it is driver-related then ;)
[22:55] <Blue11> arand: yeah that's too advanced for me...
[22:55] <arand> Blue11: easiest way to get an active window is to start a download in FF and unfocus as it completes.
[22:56] <Blue11> arand: no idea what you mean by "unfocus"
[22:56] <arand> s/item/window\ list\ item/
[22:57] <arand> Blue11: click another window as to not have the download window in the foreground/as the currently active window.
[22:57] <Blue11> I;ve had no issues with that...
[22:58] <arand> Blue11: And you've tried?
[22:58] <Blue11> arand: not recently but i can
[22:59] <Blue11> arand: yah no problems
[22:59] <arand> Blue11: no half-colouring seen?
[23:00] <Blue11> arand: no
[23:00] <DanaG> argh, fglrx keeps causing "X server caught in a loop"
[23:00] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/m82R42M3
[23:00] <Blue11> what is a plymouth theme?
[23:01] <arand> Blue11: Hmm, mind adding a comment on the bug noting that, and that you have an ATI card?
[23:01] <Blue11> yeah let me scroll up and see if I can find the link
[23:02] <arand> Blue11: Aw, you didn't look at the nice video I made :(
[23:03] <Blue11> done
[23:03] <Blue11> i dont know what an ogv file is
[23:05] <trevor> Hey, I was just wondering what version of lucid lynx is currently available. I heard that it was goign to be released in April, but that there are betas available or something?
[23:05] <arand> Blue11: ogg video, should be playable from ubuntu straight out...
[23:05] <Blue11> i can try no guar. I have the codecs for it.
[23:05] <arand> !topic | trevor
[23:06] <trevor> Ok thanks.
[23:07] <arand> trevor: Sorry I was guessing that command would actually print the topic... rather than be accusing.
[23:07] <trevor> Oh no problem.
[23:08] <trevor> I'm excited to try out lucid lynx. I'm wondering if upgrading from Koala would be a good move, because I had problems with wireless when I first installed it, and would like to avoid that.
[23:08] <trevor> I'm also excited to see the new look. I heard that not much was changing, but the "human" focus on orange was going to be changed.
[23:08] <arand> But yea, first beta, second to come on
[23:08] <arand> April 8th
[23:11] <oxymoron> trevor: I would NOT recommen upgrade from Karmic ;)
[23:11] <oxymoron> not yet anyway
[23:12] <brianherman> how come whenever I do apt-get upgrade lucid
[23:12] <trevor> Ya I"ll probably just do a fresh install and deal with it.
[23:12] <brianherman> something breaks
[23:12] <trevor> That's always safest.
[23:12] <BUGabundo> brianherman: welcome to DEVEL
[23:13] <brianherman> oh
[23:13] <brianherman> ok
[23:13] <brianherman> so dont do that
[23:13]  * BUGabundo checks for updates
[23:14] <arand> BUGabundo: What video driver are you on for Lucid?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> nvidia blob
[23:15] <arand> BUGabundo: And do you see Bug #549919 ?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> no
[23:16] <DanaG> argh, damnit... I updated packages, and it FORCIBLY changed my button settings.... AGAIN.
[23:16] <DanaG> I had already changed them back to the way I wanted them.
[23:16] <arand> I have it in both vbox and with nouveau afik.
[23:17] <DanaG> ah, had to reapply Human theme to fix it.
[23:18] <penguin42> anyone got any idea how ubuntu-bug knows which web browser to use? It's trying to use one I removed
[23:18] <BUGabundo> DanaG: yeah I get that sometimes
[23:18] <penguin42> x-www-browser is working, so it's not that
[23:18] <brianherman> my sound is broken in lucid i have a macbook pro 4,1
[23:18] <DanaG> At least now it's per-theme.
[23:18] <penguin42> ah - preferrred applications
[23:18] <arand> penguin42: and the preferred application is set properly in gnome?
[23:19] <arand> :D
[23:19] <penguin42> arand: Interest really that x-www-browser doesn't use that
[23:19] <brianherman> :(
[23:19] <BUGabundo> brianherman: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[23:20] <BUGabundo> and ping crimsun in #ubuntu-audio-help
[23:20] <brianherman> ok
[23:20] <brianherman> cool
[23:20] <brianherman> thanks
[23:21] <lontra> i am curious if anyone gets flicker of X occasionally with the intel driver and whether they know how i can fix plymouth so that it displays a theme? it worked when i install beta1
[23:23] <oxymoron> How da heck do you remove a package that try to use /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme when it should be deleted from dpkg? xD
[23:23] <oxymoron> Like this: "/var/lib/dpkg/info/lubuntu-plymouth-theme.postrm: 34: /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme: not found"
[23:23] <ZykoticK9> oxymoron, plymouth-set-default-theme is currently broken!  was working a day or so ago, but not after most recent updates
[23:23] <yofel> oxymoron: oh, we had that yesterday... 'sudo chmod +x /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-sefault-theme'
[23:24] <yofel> s/sefault/default/
[23:24] <ZykoticK9> yofel, is that all you need to do to fix it?  wow, thats easy - thank you.
[23:25] <yofel> ZykoticK9: that file should be empty, an empty executable file will be handled by the shell as an app returning exit code 0
[23:25] <oxymoron> yofel: That file doesnt even exist? :P
[23:25] <ZykoticK9> oxymoron, yofel doesn't exist on my system either
[23:25] <yofel> oxymoron: oh, then 'touch <file>' first ^^
[23:25] <oxymoron> ZykoticK9: Yes, but how to remove that package lubuntu-theme?
[23:26] <ZykoticK9> oxymoron, i have no idea sorry
[23:26] <brianherman> can i go back to ubuntu-9.10 alsa
[23:26] <ZykoticK9> yofel, should we really create an empty file and make it executable?  is that going to help?
[23:27] <yofel> ZykoticK9: that file will simply return true when executed, it won't break anything
[23:27] <oxymoron> yofel: Thanks for your typo, I created wrong file because I copied yours xD
[23:27] <yofel> oxymoron: sry ^^
[23:28] <oxymoron> yofel: Its alright, just had to say it :P
[23:28] <oxymoron> yofel: Btw, that fixed it, thank you :)
[23:29] <DanaG> interesting... if I run furmark in wine, then trying to drag the window around will result in horrid lag and loopyness.
[23:29] <oxymoron> yofel: Awesome hack to create the file so it try to use it but actually dont :P
[23:32] <yofel> oxymoron: welcome to the world  of devel testing :P
[23:33] <oxymoron> yofel: Hehe thank you :) Actually I am used to devel test, but yes this kind of testing is new to me :P
[23:33] <trevor> Hey, I have heard a lot of people talking about the new look of ubuntu lucid lynx being really cool, and based on light, but all I have seen is a sort of purple background in videos and screen shots. Is the purple look the one they are talking about?
[23:33] <oxymoron> yofel: Before I felt cool just to use apt-get and now I can use dpkg and make much more advanced stuff :P
[23:33] <ZykoticK9> yofel, ok just to be clear - creating that file will solve some plymouth related issue, but won't actually let "sudo plymouth-set-default-theme --list" work correct?
[23:34] <yofel> ZykoticK9: no, as that file will do exactly nothing
[23:34] <yofel> that hack is only good to get dpkg working again
[23:34] <ZykoticK9> yofel, ya ok - i didn't understand how a blank executable was going to do anything (but in the proper context i get it) thanks
[23:37] <almoxarife> anyone having issues with the weather/temp showing on the clock on the panel??
[23:37] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, isn't work at all for me
[23:37] <almoxarife> ZykoticK9: was working before
[23:38] <almoxarife> seems like it stopped after the last update
[23:38] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, i wouldn't know, just tried a day or so ago - and it hasn't worked for me
[23:39] <FFForever> what is the difference from 8 -rw-r--r-- 1 and 4 -rw-r--r-- 1?
[23:39] <almoxarife> anyone else having samba issues?
[23:39] <penguin42> FFForever: if that's with an ls -ls then the 8 is a file that's about twice the size of the one with the 4
[23:40] <FFForever> Ahhh
[23:41] <gatlin> has anyone else had trouble with booting on amd64? I tried the live CD of Lucid Beta 1 (and the latest daily as of yesterday) and I cannot get past the splash screen.  Nothing will happen for 5 hours (as far as I checked)
[23:41] <Ian_Corne> I'm running 64 bit atm gatlin
[23:41] <Ian_Corne> installed with the beta 1 iso
[23:41] <Ian_Corne> ati card
[23:42] <Ian_Corne> intel cpu
[23:42] <gatlin> ah, it's an ECS mobo (I know ...) with an nvidia chipset and an nvidia graphics card (Athlon 64 x2 4200+)
[23:42] <gatlin> the parens meant CPU, not typing clearly
[23:44] <histo> gatlin: No problems here
[23:44] <histo> gatlin: can you boot in recovery mode?
[23:46] <gatlin> I am away from the machine at the moment unfortunately, I was mainly checking to see if there was some known bug on certain architectures.  I saw similar complaints with Kubuntu Lucid beta if my skimming of launchpad was correct
[23:53] <bjsnider> gatlin, nforce chipset?
[23:56] <gatlin> I don't believe so
[23:57] <bjsnider> "... with an nvidia chipset ..."
[23:57] <bjsnider> what did you mean by that?
[23:57] <gatlin> according to all the literature on the mobo it's all essentially nvidia parts
[23:58] <bjsnider> nforce is what they call their chipset
[23:58] <gatlin> oh, alright.  Well, then, yes :)
[23:58] <bjsnider> it is often problematic on linux
[23:58] <bjsnider> when choosing linux hardware, go all intel if possible
[23:58] <gatlin> 9.10 works pretty well


[07:36] <sicness> Hi, guys! pkg in ubuntu r8168-dkms (8.035.00-1) has issue, which had fixed 7.05.2013  in debian afrter my bugreport and test patch on my PC. Url on new pkg http://packages.debian.org/ru/sid/r8168-dkms (8.035.00-2)
[07:36] <sicness> Can I help somehow to update pkg for ubuntu? I need this updated pkg in ubuntu :)
[07:36] <sicness> I can test it for ubuntu too.
[07:40] <tumbleweed> sicness: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/r8168 - 8.035.00-2 is already in Ubuntu
[07:40] <tumbleweed> if you'd like to SRU that bugfix to raring, follow the SRU process
[07:40] <tumbleweed> !sru | sicness
[07:42] <sicness> ok, thx, I'll read that
[10:30] <jtaylor> LoganCloud: are you Logan Rosen?
[10:31] <tumbleweed> AFAIK, yes
[10:32] <jtaylor> if yes please update your launchpad profile :)
[10:33] <jtaylor> and can you merge python-gevent? the -dbg package is broken, this is fixed in debian
[11:28] <mitya57> jtaylor: thanks for geany :)