[00:01] <designbybeck3> I'm unable to install or remove anything: dpkg --configure -a doesn't fix it, nor sudo apt -f install https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8QJ4gttcRF/
[00:01] <designbybeck3> Any suggestions
[00:03] <designbybeck3> it also says no space left on disk but I removed large files already but doesn't seem to fix it
[00:03] <akik> xanrevent: you can access the virtual consoles with ctrl+alt+f1, f2, f3 etc.
[00:03] <akik> xanrevent: you're not running xorg?
[00:04] <xanrevent> akik: I'm doing this all from command line on an ancient eeepc
[00:04] <xanrevent> akik: is it possible to do this command line only?
[00:04] <akik> xanrevent: it doesn't have those virtual consoles?
[00:06] <xanrevent> akik: the bbs program?
[00:06] <akik> xanrevent: no, your linux
[00:06] <akik> xanrevent: ctrl+alt+f1
[00:06] <akik> xanrevent: usually they go from f1 to f6
[00:07] <xanrevent> akik: this might be my newb showing. It's ubuntu linux 16.04
[00:07] <akik> xanrevent: but in the latest ubuntu version they've changed xorg/wayland to f1
[00:07] <xanrevent> akik: OH MY GOODNESS
[00:07] <akik> :)
[00:07] <xanrevent> akik: I had no idea that was there! I've been fighting this issue for so long!
[00:08] <akik> xanrevent: they've "always" been there
[00:08] <xanrevent> akik: yep, it's just my newb showing, haha. You're my savior from 3 weeks of head-desk
[00:09] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: What shows ' df -h ; df -i ' ?
[00:09] <akik> xanrevent: remember, those ssh connections are completely separate. you won't see them on your screen at all
[00:10] <akik> xanrevent: local user logins are at /dev/tty* and ssh connections at /dev/pts*
[00:10] <akik> xanrevent: you can see the current "console" with the tty command
[00:10] <xanrevent> akik: the server program shows me any incoming connection attempts verbosely, but it will be good to know to look at those folders if I try to do literally anything else
[00:10] <xanrevent> akik : so thank you for the advice
[00:11] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om:   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sxRfC5jNdB/
[00:12] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om: here is both: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WycyWJxJmp/
[00:12] <xanrevent> so if I ctrl+alt+f1 and type "tty" it will list any active ssh connections on "console" 1?
[00:13] <xanrevent> aka /dev/tty1
[00:13] <akik> xanrevent: no, it'll list your current virtual console i.e. /dev/tty1. ssh has nothing to do with it
[00:14] <xanrevent> akik: ohh
[00:14] <akik> xanrevent: ssh is just for connecting from one computer to another
[00:15] <xanrevent> akik: ohh... So the ssh user connection is via /dev/pts* . If I wanted to see the current active connections via ssh?
[00:16] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: culprit: "473M  470M     0 100% /boot" . Try the easy way out " sudo apt autoremove" . do not be surprised if there is not the operational head room to operate in .
[00:16] <DiecastMessiah> Bashing-om: sorry to bug ya .. but do you i should try the step on this page to fix my optimus problem??? I am not sure because it seem to want me to install nvidia 378 drivers .. but on nvidia's website it only shows i should use 340
[00:17] <DiecastMessiah> https://www.pcsuggest.com/nvidia-optimus-ubuntu/
[00:17] <akik> xanrevent: you can list everyone connected to your system with "w"
[00:17] <akik> xanrevent: or "who"
[00:17] <Bashing-om> DiecastMessiah: looking :)
[00:18] <xanrevent> akik: And now that I've got a tty2 bash shell, how do I kill it if it's not in use?
[00:18] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om: yeah that gives an error as well https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NzZdMZw6dY/
[00:19] <akik> xanrevent: logout or ctrl+d
[00:19] <akik> xanrevent: exit
[00:20] <xanrevent> akik: alright, now to get back to tinkering, haha. I'll very likely be back soon. Thank you so much.
[00:21] <Bashing-om> DiecastMessiah: While will not hirt to try bumblebee - it has been depreciated in favor of nvidia-prime . the 2 are mutally exclusive .
[00:22] <sere> can 16.04 minimal install see sd cards i tried two different computers and nothing
[00:22] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: hokay, we do this manually . what kernel are you booting at this time ' uname -r ' ? As we do not want to mess with this one .
[00:24] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om: 4.4.0-93-generic
[00:25] <DiecastMessiah> yeah so far prime seem to have more things working correctly.. but not everything is... just sucks and best of all there no one really is able to help me it seems. have had many people try .. on here and with people on #gamingonlinux
[00:28] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: Ouch ! -93 .. not in /boot /// whatever have you been doing ?
[00:29] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om: this is an older laptop I don't use much....was trying to get it up to par
[00:29] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om: can I manually remove them? or free up enough space to make the other autoremove work?
[00:30] <Bashing-om> DiecastMessiah: conflicts ? what shows ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia* ' ?
[00:31] <fuzzman54> I have two external hdd enclosures. One is a sabrent, and the other is the Black Vortex from icy dock. The new hdd I put in and formatted in the vortex works fine, but the ones from the sabrent enclosures don't even show as being partitioned in the vortex, but work just fine in the sabrent enclosure.
[00:31] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: well, we can try . but not having the booting -93 kerne; available scares me witless . what shows ' dpkg -l | grep linix ' ?
[00:33] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: typo ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' .
[00:33] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NbTFGs7WCZ/
[00:34] <DiecastMessiah> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bCQHD4G8Db/
[00:34] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om:  there really isn't anything important on this machine, so if we kill it that is fine. Was just trying to to have to not reinstall everyhting
[00:37] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: We are good to go . the -93 kernel is present / lemme craft up a dpkg doey .
[00:37] <cryptk> so... I've installed 17.10.1 server twice now and both times have failed in really weird ways...
[00:38] <cryptk> the first one, initial boot up, grub failed to load one of it's modules, never even got a grub menu...
[00:38] <cryptk> second attempt... I get a grub menu, but selecting to boot ubuntu gives errors about "invalid arch-dependent ELF magic"
[00:38] <Frank_> Hopefully someone can answer this.  When my computer sleeps, I guess Ubuntu calls it suspend, I have to enter a password to get back in.  I went into settings, brightness and lock, unchecked "require password when waking from suspend".  But it still requires the password.
[00:39] <Frank_> 16.04.3 BTW
[00:39] <sere> question: what is the program gvfs or something that detects sd cards drives etc
[00:40] <Frank_> I don't think this has anything to do with sd drives.
[00:40] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: try ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image{,-extra}-4.4.0-{96,97,109}-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-{96,97,109}{,-generic} ' .
[00:40] <Kyhwana> cryptk: hmm, you don't have bad ram or disk do you?
[00:40] <Kyhwana> Usually when stuff fails in weird ways like that's it's hardware related
[00:40] <sere> Frank_: im having trouble detecting my card on minimal or in regular desktop.. i can see it on this computer so i know it works
[00:40] <cryptk> nope, installing 16.04.3 works fine
[00:41] <cryptk> so I highly doubt it's hardware
[00:41] <cryptk> especially since it happens on 3 different servers
[00:42] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vNgMYn7J5V/
[00:45] <superguest> I have a multi-monitor setup in Ubuntu 16.04: Dell 30" monitor as primary in landscape, and two Dell 20" in portrait, one on each side of the primary.
[00:45] <superguest>  the problem is that everytime I log out/restart, the wallpaper scales to the resolution/dimension of the auxilliary monitor.
[00:45] <superguest> https://ptpb.pw/l7x6.png
[00:47] <Frank_> I turned off lock.
[00:47] <Frank_> That setting for require password seems to do nothing
[00:49] <bcowan> how do i tell apt to not keep distfiles as it updates I'm veryspace limited and have 450 packages to update
[00:53] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: do not see the source if the problem . let's try small bites ; ' sudo dpkg -P linux-headers-4.4.0-96 ' .
[00:54] <bcowan> any way to do that? or do I need to add a usb drive or something temporarily just to get updated
[00:54] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ggDSYxj5k4/
[00:58] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: ' sudo dpkg -P linux-headers-4.4.0-96-generic ' .
[00:59] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om: looks like it tried to do something that time: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fD7x8zPR9b/
[01:01] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: In small bites onward ' sudo dpkg -P linux-headers-4.4.0-96 ' .
[01:02] <designbybeck3> https://thepasteb.in/p/JZhpz5YLQ6Dtg
[01:02] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om: ^
[01:07] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: :) .. ok give it a poke now ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image-extra-4.4.0-96-generic ' .. note that it is only presently marked 'rH' . See what happens .
[01:07] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om:  wat is rH?
[01:08] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om:   https://thepasteb.in/p/r0hwjovV90NCK
[01:10] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3:  the r is Removed but H is half installed .
[01:10] <designbybeck3> ah nice
[01:11] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om:  but looks like we ran back into the fact the drive is full? We're trying to fix that but can't fix it because it is full!!! HA!
[01:11] <pos> i've been looking into using ubuntu on an rpi but this seems to require ubuntu accounts and other shady requirements?
[01:17] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: Ouch ! still not enough head room ! try ' sudo dpkg -P linux-signed-image-4.4.0-96-generic ' .
[01:20] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om: looks like we got a little further  https://thepasteb.in/p/qjhLrl5ylYxfB
[01:21] <scotty^> Any firefox maintainers here?
[01:23] <subzero> hi all
[01:23] <subzero> i have a problem
[01:23] <subzero> can somone help me?
[01:23] <vlt> !seen somone
[01:24] <pavlushka> !help | subzero
[01:24] <subzero> i have lightswork
[01:25] <subzero> for editing videos
[01:25] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: Ya getting too far agead of yourself . repaet for the -97 kernel . see if we can get some head room .. and get to the point that we can run install -f to "fix broken" .
[01:25] <subzero> i installed the software
[01:25] <pavlushka> scotty^: there's a #firefox channel and also they have their own irc network, moznet, you might try there
[01:26] <subzero> when i tryed to open it appears a window and then it close in a sec
[01:26] <subzero> im new in linux
[01:30] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: Keep in mind, before we run "autoremove" we want to be booted on the -116 kernel !
[01:30] <kk4ewt> subzero what happens if you try opening it in a terminal?
[01:30] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om:  ah!
[01:30] <designbybeck3> so what should I go up until
[01:31] <designbybeck3> just the -97
[01:31] <subzero> kk4ewt: i dont know to open a software from terminal
[01:31] <kk4ewt> subzero,  open a terminal and type in the program name
[01:32] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: we work on the 97 and 109 kernels that the package manager is screaming about needing a helping hand . Get 96, 97 and 109 removed :)
[01:32] <scotty^> pavlushka: yeah, but I want to know that status of firefox 58 in Bionic
[01:32] <designbybeck3> which command to use on that Bashing-om ?
[01:33] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: same same sequnce for 97 as employed for removing 96 .
[01:33] <scotty^> 58.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1  has been in Bionic-proposed since 9th Feb, and 58.0.1 was there for a while before that
[01:33] <subzero> kk4ewt: same thing. it opens and next second it closes
[01:33] <scotty^> I'm wondering when it will make it
[01:34] <pavlushka> subzero: press "ctrl+alt+t" and type lightswork and hit enter
[01:34] <scotty^> it's way to Bionic-release
[01:34] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om:  I'm getting this:   https://thepasteb.in/p/1jhnm5Y4GnvCB
[01:36] <pavlushka> subzero: try to see the message it is showing in the terminal when it closes
[01:36] <subzero> i dont have a message in the terminal
[01:37] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: ' sudo dpkg -P linux-headers-4.4.0-109 ' .
[01:37] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om:  yeah that gave me the same error
[01:38] <designbybeck3> Oh Bashing-om but I did do the -generic and that removed it
[01:39] <designbybeck3> and then 97 said the directory wasn't empty
[01:40] <pavlushka> subzero: are you talking about lightworks video editor?
[01:41] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: We already know that the /src directory is a mess - we can fix that later once we have operating head room . for now -P the image and linux-image-extra for the -109 kernel .
[01:42] <designbybeck3> ok Bashing-om I think I got that done
[01:42] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: and the -97 kernel pieces ?
[01:42] <designbybeck3> yes
[01:42] <pavlushka> subzero: it says in its website "Linux distributions have OpenSource graphics card drivers installed by default. This means Lightworks will not run correctly (images of the incorrect size during playback and possible performance problems). It is strongly recommended for users to install the proprietary graphics card drivers before installing Lightworks. "
[01:43] <designbybeck3> I think so
[01:43] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om:  hmmmm maybe ?  https://thepasteb.in/p/r0hwjovB27KcK
[01:43] <pavlushka> subzero_:  are you talking about lightworks video editor?
[01:44] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: Let me have a new look at what is now ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' . see where we are .
[01:44] <pavlushka> subzero_:  it says in its website "Linux distributions have OpenSource graphics card drivers installed by default. This means Lightworks will not run correctly (images of the incorrect size during playback and possible performance problems). It is strongly recommended for users to install the proprietary graphics card drivers before installing Lightworks. "
[01:45] <subzero_> i've done that
[01:45] <Bashing-om> pavlushka: good find ! :)
[01:45] <pavlushka> subzero_: so now you have to check your graphics card and the driver it is using
[01:45] <pavlushka> Bashing-om: ty :)
[01:46] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om:   https://thepasteb.in/p/Z4hPR2ZVwKkFG
[01:46] <pavlushka> subzero_: can you paste the result of "lspci -nnk" on paste.ubuntu.com?
[01:48] <pavlushka> subzero_: and of course you have to run that command in a terminal
[01:49] <subzero_> 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Skylake Host Bridge/DRAM Registers [8086:191f] (rev 07)
[01:49] <subzero_> 	Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. [MSI] Skylake Host Bridge/DRAM Registers [1462:7971]
[01:49] <subzero_> 	Kernel driver in use: skl_uncore
[01:49] <subzero_> 00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Skylake PCIe Controller (x16) [8086:1901] (rev 07)
[01:49] <subzero_> 	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
[01:49] <subzero_> 	Kernel modules: shpchp
[01:50] <pavlushka> subzero_: use paste.ubuntu.com to provide the results
[01:50] <subzero_> 00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H PCI Express Root Port #3 [8086:a112] (rev f1)
[01:50] <subzero_> 	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
[01:50] <subzero_> 	Kernel modules: shpchp
[01:50] <subzero_> 00:1c.6 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H PCI Express Root Port #7 [8086:a116] (rev f1)
[01:50] <subzero_> 	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
[01:50] <subzero_> 	Kernel modules: shpchp
[01:51] <subzero_> 01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: NVIDIA Corporation GP104 High Definition Audio Controller [10de:10f0] (rev a1)
[01:51] <subzero_> 	Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd GP104 High Definition Audio Controller [1458:3701]
[01:51] <subzero_> 	Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
[01:51] <subzero_> 	Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
[01:51] <subzero_> 02:00.0 USB controller [0c03]: ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1142 USB 3.1 Host Controller [1b21:1242]
[01:51] <subzero_> 	Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. [MSI] ASM1142 USB 3.1 Host Controller [1462:7971]
[01:53] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: Try again ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image-extra-4.4.0-96-generic ' .
[01:54] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om:  space issue again it seems:  https://thepasteb.in/p/WnhzYG7Dl6gHV
[01:58] <pavlushka> designbybeck3 have you tried try "apt clean && apt autoremove" to free up some space?
[01:59] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: Yuk ! well see what you can do with -P for the -66 and -67 kernels . I had expected by now to have space availabale :(
[01:59] <designbybeck3> pavlushka:  yeah we have some nasty issues
[02:01] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om:  These also don't like the no space thing I think I'm doing it correctly too: https://thepasteb.in/p/RghnlB9omlofz
[02:06] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: Yeah, you are doing it correctly . Not too sure of what is going on that we still get that "no space on device" . We should have removed enough by now to get some room . 66 and 67 pirge, see what results . If we need I can go deeper but it do get complex then .
[02:07] <Bashing-om> purge*
[02:07] <designbybeck3> can I select them in a folder and delete them manually?
[02:10] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: No .. we must use apt or dpkg to remove these kernels .. otherwise will break the package manager even more . ( but we may resort to that expedient - in a controlled manner and fix the package manager afterward ) .
[02:14] <domo> da
[02:15] <malkauns> test
[02:16] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om:  not sure if this helps https://pasteboard.co/H9cX9Q1.png
[02:18] <nickc> hi
[02:19] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: Nope. no help as we already know where the proplem is .
[02:20] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om:  this command might fix it rm -R :oD
[02:23] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: If ya want to go that rm route .. we start in the /usr/src/linux-headers- and /lib/modules/ . it gets "complex" but can be done .
[02:24] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om: is there a better way to find out what is still to big to allow autoremove / clean?
[02:26] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: we only want 2 installed kernla . looking at your https://thepasteb.in/p/Z4hPR2ZVwKkFG; anything that is not marked 'ii' is a problem . note that linux-generic is not installed !
[02:28] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om: that is a mess!
[02:29] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: Yepper .. and the goal here is to get -116 functional and -112 installed as the backup . all else we want gone at the end .
[02:32] <designbybeck3> removing those lower ones 22-36 seemed to work, but then in the 60's it gave me the "No space left on device" Bashing-om
[02:33] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: what now ' df -h ' ?
[02:35] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om:   https://thepasteb.in/p/48hYW3NOj3PCR
[02:35] <designbybeck3> Boot is still full
[02:37] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: Yuk ! why ?? OH WHY - as you have removed some stuff . we should see some improvement here .
[02:38] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om:  well we put in a great effort! I think I might just wait until 18.04 comes out and do a clean install on this laptop! Thank you very much for your help in trouble shooting it
[02:38] <designbybeck3> I've learn a few things along the way as well!
[02:39] <Bashing-om> designbybeck3: this is fixable - one way or the other .. will just take the time and effort to do so .
[02:40] <designbybeck3> Bashing-om: not sure what I did to get it that out of whack to begin with
[02:40] <ljc> hey so my repository URLs might be out of date. http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety/universe is 404'ing. how can i update to the correct URL?
[02:41] <ljc> this is always such a pain
[02:44] <ljc> k, i've replaced "us.archive" & "security" with "old-releases". `sudo apt update` seems to be working w/o 404'ing
[02:48] <Kennedy> how's everyone doing?
[02:49] <ljc> hooray packages installing :) a couple of 'Releases' not found error messages. is there some sort of doc/faq/readme/tldr i can read to help me understand the processes when they change the URLs?
[02:50] <ljc> hi Kennedy, good thanks. how are you?
[02:50] <Kennedy> doing well. good dinner and an easy evening lined up
[02:50] <ljc> nice sounds relaxing
[02:51] <Bashing-om> ljc: Think the EOL upgrade from yakkety is broke due to the meltdown fiasco in 17.04 path .
[02:51] <Bashing-om> !eol | ljc
[02:57] <ljc> ubottu: thanks! i guess i'm looking for "using version X: use these repository URLs from now on"
[02:57] <ljc> lol
[02:58] <ljc> Bashing-om: so when meltdown they had to fix 17.04, and the upgrade from 16.10 to <new version> is broken?
[03:00] <Bashing-om> ljc: That is what others have reported . :emme find the confirmation for ya .
[03:01] <ljc> "2017-08-10 Remove EOLed yakkety, set zesty as default." from https://packages.ubuntu.com/
[03:02] <Bashing-om> ljc: see: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2385768&page=2 .
[03:03] <ljc> Bashing-om: interesting. thanks
[03:04] <mfp_> Hello. I wanted to preserve an old /home partition and use this with the new ubuntu installation. I did not format it, the partition still shows that the data is there but I cannot access the data from ubuntu. It's a btrfs filesystem. How do I get the old files?
[03:08] <oxo1o1o1o> how to change the password of my nickname by email , I forget it
[03:11] <ljc> oxo1o1o1o: like "/msg nickserv help sendpass" ?
[03:12] <oxo1o1o1o> thanks,I will try it
[03:17] <dl> hi
[03:18] <Guest21300> command `which` not working for alias-command.
[03:18] <Guest21300> It is strange that `which` does not receive option `--version`.
[03:19] <Guest21300> Seems `which` in Ubuntu and Centos are completely too different command
[03:22] <VanceCole> new install of 17.10, when running commands like `npm install` in terminal, instead of the usual text updating on the existing line instead the terminal scrolls like a bajillion new lines with like the progress bar and twiddler? / | \ - / etc. Trying to google it but not really sure what terms to use to describe the issue, any suggestions?
[03:24] <redlegion> VanceCole: what output do you get from 'echo $TERM'?
[03:25] <VanceCole> xterm-256color
[03:25] <redlegion> you using gnome-terminal?
[03:25] <VanceCole> whatever came with 17.10
[03:26] <VanceCole> yeah gnome
[03:28] <redlegion> weird, it sounds like you're missing the terminfo entry for xterm-256color, but I can't imagine why you would be
[03:31] <VanceCole> hm it works normally if I switch back to xorg
[03:33] <VanceCole> and now it is fine after switching back to wayland
[03:33] <VanceCole> IDK
[03:34] <redlegion> odd
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> VanceCole: just joined, whats going on?
[03:42] <VanceCole> I figured it out, my down arrow key on keyboard was sticking lmao.
[03:54] <jj__> Hi, ubuntu mate 16.0.4 I connected a printer (canon pixma mg8120) through the printer sharing feature on my mac. Prints perfectly, except it throws up 10-15 bubble in the corner warnings about things like one for each color telling me that they are XX% full. My question is how do I prevent these things being considered warnings.
[04:00] <arunpyasi> hello everyone
[04:01] <arunpyasi> I see nothing in xorg log or xnandr
[04:01] <arunpyasi> please help me
[04:01] <arunpyasi> its with the projector.. My ubuntu doesn't show the projector
[04:08] <sabrehagen> Hey all, can somebody check this command log - I don't understand what's happening: https://gist.github.com/sabrehagen/ed78f23457b3dc7ec1fb06601925d748
[04:10] <DragonKingOfArms> Hiya
[04:43] <chull> hi my husband is having problems with his desktop on 16.04 https://pastebin.com/csTnZUQs
[04:43] <chull> it seemed easier to pastebin the problem
[04:44] <Ben64> chull: cat /etc/issue
[04:44] <chull> Ben64, um did you read it?
[04:44] <Ben64> yep
[04:45] <chull> Ben64, ok so that's a command you want me to do?
[04:45] <Ben64> indeed
[04:45] <chull> ok :)
[04:46] <chull> Ben64, $  cat /etc/issue
[04:46] <chull> Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS \n \l
[04:46] <michaelGNZ> Hey peeps!
[04:46] <chull> hi michaelGNZ
[04:46] <michaelGNZ> Is anyone able to help me troubleshoot a LIRC issue at all?
[04:47] <michaelGNZ> I'd really appreciate some expert guidance (as I'm getting some config issues).
[04:47] <Ben64> chull: so nothing else is in sources.list besides what you put in the pastebin?
[04:47] <chull> michaelGNZ it works best to just tell them the problem and wait :)
[04:47] <michaelGNZ> Thanks chull
[04:48] <chull> Ben64, no it's got files but when it said 14 i figured i was over my head. want me to pastebin it?
[04:48] <Ben64> chull: sure
[04:48] <chull> okies
[04:50] <michaelGNZ> Hey peeps - I am having issues setting up LIRC. I have installed using APT-Get install LIRC. I have followed the following: http://www.instructables.com/id/Install-and-Configure-Linux-Infrared-Remote-Contro/      and I have downloaded a pre-existing config file from the LIRC repository for a beo4 remote and I have overwritten the configfile with this file. unfortunately now when I try to see the status of LIRC we are getting err
[04:50] <chull> Ben64, https://pastebin.com/gZsRt5jd
[04:50] <Sveta> michaelGNZ, your message got cut off at 'when I try to see the status of LIRC we are getting err'
[04:51] <Sveta> michaelGNZ, please resend the second half
[04:51] <michaelGNZ> when I try to see the status of LIRC using sudo /etc/init.d/lirc status I am getting "error in config file line 45"
[04:52] <michaelGNZ> I am a bit confused as I downloaded the configfile from the LIRC source forge page for profiles.
[04:52] <Sveta> perhaps pastebin your config
[04:53] <michaelGNZ> https://pastebin.com/sqKjT3zY
[04:54] <Ben64> chull: wonky, i'd say replace that with a new sources.list
[04:54] <chull> Ben64, ok can you remind me how on Ubuntu please?
[04:54] <Sveta> michaelGNZ, strange config file format, i'd ask #lirc or their mailing list
[04:55] <Ben64> chull: https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[04:57] <michaelGNZ> Sveta: Yes I agree - I am looking at different ones in their repository now and it doesn't look quite the same as some of the others
[04:58] <chull> thank you Ben64 looking
[05:00] <chull> Ben64, do i need to click both lines for each one?
[05:01] <Ben64> chull: you probably don't need sources
[05:01] <chull> ok so just the top one then, right?
[05:02] <Ben64> yeah
[05:02] <chull> ok good :)
[05:02] <Ben64> main, restricted, universe, multiverse, security, updates
[05:07] <freshman> hello big guy
[05:08] <Sveta> hi freshman
[05:09] <freshman> I've just been in contact with Linux for some introductory guidance
[05:21] <Curi0> When I run sudo debootstrap --arch=amd64 artful ~/Documents/ubuntu-tree/ it gives this error
[05:21] <Curi0> E: Cannot install into target '/home/soogy/Documents/ubuntu-tree' mounted with noexec or nodev
[05:21] <chull> Ben64, we pasted the line under Sources list into the terminal, should it look different than this? https://pastebin.com/uNmdg5dR
[05:22] <chull> it doesn't seem to be moving
[05:22] <Ben64> weird way of doing that
[05:23] <chull> ok well i can ctrl c and try clicking
[05:23] <Curi0> I don't have a seperate /home partition or anything
[05:23] <Curi0> but i have encrypted home
[05:24] <chull> ben6 ok sooo we paste that full page in.
[05:37] <xanrevent> I'm back!
[05:37] <xanrevent> And now I'm trying to find somebody who can help me figure out why cryptlib's self-test fails me.
[05:38] <Volund> so I have an odd issue. I'm looking to start providing a proper hosting service for an ancient form of games - MUDs, MUX, MUSH - etc, which comes with complementary web hosting (typically mediawiki). Things like backups - per user/game/site - are a huge concern, as is security and monitoring resource usage. What things should I be looking at to take command of Ubuntu Linux this way?
[05:38] <Volund> Can you guys point me in a good direction?
[05:39] <Volund> I mean, ultimately I need to get this stuff standardized and automated
[05:40] <xanrevent> The error I'm getting is when it's doing "cryptSignCert() failed with error code -26, line 1897. Error info attributs report locus 2018, type 5 (CRYPT_ERRTYPE_CONSTRAINT)."
 Let's say I could throw $50 a month at cloud resources.
[05:41] <Volund> really though this is... how do I put this
[05:42] <Volund> I've kinda become more popular than I anticipated in the MUSHing community and there's now 7-8 games running on my VPS. It's starting to get a little messy and disorganized and the machine's running low on RAM (plenty of swap, though). I'm currently compiling a list of everyone I'm providing for and home folders and wikis and ports in usage and all that stuff...
[05:43] <Volund> And I need to ramp this up to the next level, with something more standardized and organized, with automated backups and all that jazz.
[05:43] <Volund> This isn't a commercial project exactly, but I need to make it more professional/robust/reliable.
[05:44] <Volund> And hopefully from the effort I'll learn valuable lessons in linux administration.
[05:45] <xanrevent> Volund: have you considered using shared hosting like dreamhost and migrating there?
[05:45] <Volund> yeah I am in fact using a DreamCompute VPS
[05:45] <xanrevent> Volund: but you want to stay shy of managed hosting, yeah?
[05:46] <Volund> It's more that I'm trying to BE that managed hosting, for a small group of other people.
[05:47] <Volund> The technical demands of the games aren't big. MUDs, MUSHes, they're a drop in the bucket for CPU and RAM. Running MariaDB and a lot of mediawiki instances is the killer.
[05:49] <Volund> so is there some channel I should be heading towards or?
[05:50] <xanrevent> Volund: I'm hoping somebody else will pipe up, haha. I don't have the foggiest. I'm much more newb than you, I think.
[05:50] <Volund> ah it seems there's an #ubuntu-server
[05:52] <Volund> My knowledge is kind of... helter-skelter. I'm really good with networking and operating system concepts, I'm familiar with a bunch of programming and scripting languages but have little experience using them in this context. I'm decent with operating in the terminal but not a wizard. I have a lot of experience doing things 'manually' and finding answers to problems with google searches, but...
[05:52] <Volund> For this effort I think I need to talk to someone who knows what they're doing.
[05:53] <Volund> I mean
[05:53] <Volund> I managed to put together this server with MariaDB, NGINX, 10 people with different accounts, and everyone using Let's Encrypt certificates and stuff. :o
[05:54] <xanrevent> I'm trying to create a BBS server from scratch with no experience whatsoever, haha
[05:54] <Volund> But there's no system to it. Everything running, I assembled manually. There's no standardized backups and etc.
[05:54] <chull> Ben64, ok we copied the text to the files. i hope /etc/apt/gpg_keys.txt is right? - it was empty.
[05:54] <Ben64> chull: i don't have that file
[05:54] <chull> Volund, a noble effort!
[05:56] <chull> Ben64, it's where the command seemed to go: (skipping the first part)  curl https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/txt/xenial/gpg_880ad126e1a15598a840b8bdda21e101f1f0ec68.txt | sudo tee /etc/apt/gpg_keys.txt
[05:57] <Volund> chull: thanks.
[05:57] <chull> Volund, i imagine that many an intrepid admin did it from scratch from some instructions printed out on a dot matrix printer
[05:59] <chull> Ben64, where in ubuntu does it have your keys?
[06:01] <Ben64> chull: why do you keep doing it that way
[06:01] <Volund> chull: Honestly, I'm starting to ponder just winging this. writing up a Python script/program for a 'control panel'. or maybe some kind of web app control panel. or, heck, adding the functionality to an Evennia package (A python-based MU* engine which has Django web app capabilities)
[06:04] <chull> Ben64, i'm old. When I look at the page, it offers two ways, no?  one is to click the link to the page with all the text, the other is the url/command as I pasted it.. what was I supposed to do?
[06:04] <Ben64> just copy the few lines and put it into sources.list
[06:04] <Ben64> you're making it so much more complicated
[06:04] <chull> yes but it gave all those cool things to get.
[06:05] <chull> and they have keys
[06:06] <Ben64> chull: what else did you select
[06:06] <chull> Ben64, lots of things
[06:06] <Ben64> probably shouldn't
[06:08] <chull> Ben64, um proceeding on to the next step.. we can always undo it if it doesn't work. (i hope) ?
[06:08] <Ben64> or go back and only choose the ones i mentioned before
[06:08] <chull> Ben64, you made my husband laugh. he's been so sick for so long this is awesome :)
[06:12] <Volund> hrm.
[06:12] <Volund> I wonder if I could possibly pull this off if I... so how's this sound for a crazy idea?
[06:12] <cowsay> hey all... my server totally lost internet connection and I think it *might* be due to me adding old-releases to my apt sources.list a while back.  "sudo lshw -numeric -C network" shows "*-network UNCLAIMED" which I believe to be the cause.  any suggestions?
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> cowsay: perhaps #ubuntu-server
[06:14] <cowsay> didn't know that existed, i will try, thanks!
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> cowsay: unclaimed means driver not loaded for your card
[06:15] <cowsay> yea that's what I gathered from a google search
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> cowsay: what chipset are you on?
[06:15] <cowsay> it's an intel NUC.. I218-V i believe is the chipset?
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> cowsay: should say driver=iwlwifi or something
[06:16] <cowsay> what should say that?
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> cowsay: perhaps look at your logs why its not loaded?
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> cowsay: sudo lshw -C network
[06:16] <Volund> There's this Python-based MU* engine called Evennia, which I am -extremely- familiar with coding in. What if I created a 'system administration package' of Evennia commands, database stuff, etc, and handled most of my administrative tasks from a more familiar environment? :D
[06:16] <cowsay> there's no driver property in lshw
[06:16] <cowsay> for my network
[06:17] <chull> Ben64, i did just copy the page, so it should be alright.
[06:18] <chull> Ben64, so now sudo apt-get update ?
[06:18] <cowsay> lotuspsychje, lspci does show the kernel module to be e1000e but that's about all I can see
[06:20] <chull> Ben64, at least this says to do that next: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[06:21] <sach> Eh
[06:21] <sach> chull: https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/txt/xenial/gpg_880ad126e1a15598a840b8bdda21e101f1f0ec68.txt is blank
[06:21] <mrchairman> so I installed a ton of themese from gnome look, and ended up just going back to the default
[06:21] <sach> Atleast for me. This won't fix anything afaics
[06:22] <chull> sach, um https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[06:23] <chull> or that was to generate a repository
[06:24] <sach> That's to add respositories, yes. I've only just looked at the chat history. I am not sure what you're trying to do, but curl <etc.> won't do anything
[06:25] <chull> sach, it may be time sensitive.
[06:25] <sach> If you can recap what you want to do, I can try helping you
[06:25] <sach> Time sensitive?
[06:26] <chull> sach we updated the repository, and now need to sudo apt-get update
[06:26] <sach> go for it
[06:31] <stvn> sniff this
[06:32]  * sach sniffs
[06:33] <stvn> thanks
[06:53] <TriangleBob> Is selena gomez a virgin?
[06:58] <Hey> join #kvm
[06:58] <chull> Hey, you need a /  /join
[06:58] <Hey> lol
[06:58] <Hey> no doubt
[06:58] <chull> :)
[06:58] <Hey> noted
[07:01] <chull> i have a vim problem, but maybe you all will know the answer, my husband's Ubuntu 16.04 has vim, but when I escape and try to backspace it generates a capital letter.  What do I need to do to fix that?
[07:02] <chull> because i'm trying to edit his /etc/apt/sources.list .. need it to work.
[07:02] <apb1963> chull, define "fix".  I presume you got ^H when you backspaced?  Just backspace again to erase it, then it ESC.
[07:02] <apb1963> hit ESC
[07:03] <Curi0> Why does debootstrap give an error about mounted with noexec or nodev ?
[07:03] <Curi0> i have an encrypted home directory
[07:03] <Curi0> and nothing else
[07:03] <Curi0> and i can run executables from my home too
[07:04] <chull> apb1963, ill try that. but it does A and B instead of ^H
[07:05] <apb1963> chull, are you using your cursor/arrow keys?
[07:06] <apb1963> chull, regardless... just backspace over it and hit ESC.  That should put you back in business.
[07:07] <sach> chull: you may not have vim, but vi. Check if apt install vim helps. Otherwise, you need change how your terminal/shell combination interprets keys.
[07:08] <shuyi> anyone else
[07:08] <shuyi> 有人吗
[07:08] <shuyi> ？？
[07:08] <shuyi> 僵尸群吗
[07:09] <chu> !ubuntu-cn
[07:09] <shuyi> 啦啦啦啦
[07:09] <chull> apb1963, thank you by being a bit more careful we got what i had to do, done
[07:09] <shuyi> 啦啦啦啦
[07:09] <chull> sach ill try that
[07:09] <el> shuyi: english only in here
[07:10] <shuyi> okay
[07:11] <chull> sach you're right on the money :)
[07:11] <sach> :)
[07:11] <chull> sach, i thought we did that before.. but he keeps changing things and .. you never know!
[07:12] <sach> He prefers vi? I'd call that self-harm
[07:15] <Hiasinsu> 有谁知道xfce如何单独设置qt程序主题吗？
[07:18] <li8> OK
[07:23] <sach> OK
[07:25] <mooncake> guys would like to use ssl with irc client pidgin am choosing the correct port have not messed with my ufw settings default ('enable no rules set') any suggestions
[07:25] <mooncake> running 17.10
[07:25] <mooncake> noob be kind
[07:25] <sach> On Freenode?
[07:25] <mooncake> yes
[07:26] <sach> chat.freenode.net port 6697?
[07:26] <mooncake> i rushed to answer that this channel is on that network right
[07:26] <sach> Yes
[07:26] <mooncake> brb will check
[07:29] <mooncake> irc.ubuntu.com is my server so i guess im not on freenode directly ? port is correct
[07:29] <mooncake> if at all re server
[07:30] <dax> irc.ubuntu.com is just a pointer to freenode. they're the same network.
[07:30] <sach> Use chat.freenode.net and port 6697 for the sake of it
[07:30] <dax> your client looks up irc.ubuntu.com, gets pointed to chat.freenode.net, and connects to it
[07:33] <Fusion-81> Hello
[07:33] <Fusion-81> I need help
[07:33] <mooncake> thanks for explaining that, any ideas why it will never connect if ssl box is ticked (pidgin)
[07:33] <Fusion-81> 2 days at this
[07:33] <sach> mooncake: run irc.ubuntu.com and upload the output to some paste site
[07:33] <sach> oops
[07:33] <sach> run openssl s_client -connect irc.ubuntu.com:6697
[07:34] <mooncake> from channel window or terminal
[07:34] <sach> Terminal
[07:34] <mooncake> run irc.ubuntu.com
[07:34] <sach> run "openssl s_client -connect irc.ubuntu.com:6697"
[07:35] <sach> Ctrl+C at the end and chuck it onto pastebin.com
[07:35] <Fusion-81> Help
[07:37] <ducasse> !ask | Fusion-81
[07:38] <Fusion-81> Im getting "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'tensorflow'" when tring to import tensorflow into python. I followed this guild to install it.  https://www.quantstart.com/articles/installing-tensorflow-on-ubuntu-1604-with-an-nvidia-gpu
 i cant fit all the output into one screenshot(printscreen) is there a better way to upload the whole thing for you other than multiple screenshots
[07:40] <sach> Select the text and copy it
[07:40] <sach> Or copy the top ~10 lines
[07:40] <sach> !paste
[07:42] <mooncake> https://pastebin.com/MbiqK4Zr
[07:42] <mooncake> if that didnt work for you let me know and will try another site
[07:42] <chull> sach, i think i have vim now.. but what we really wanted to do was replace hubby's gnome, because his is messed up. I don't know when he started having problems with his desktop, but it has gone from having the icons down both sides and a top bar, (which he wants!) to icons on the right and a little bar on the top. so we want to fix it?
[07:44] <chull> ok now he says he didn't have a full top bar, but i remember looking at the time and weather in the top right. so whatever he wants that back :)
[07:44] <sach> I'll be honest, I've never used ubuntu and haven't used Gnome/Unity in ~10 years so I apologise, but I can't answer that accurately without readin up on it
[07:44] <Fusion-81> I got disconnected
[07:44] <chull> ah sachs i love that you're helping at all :) you do great
[07:44] <sach> But look up on gnome-tweak-tool and unity-tweak-tool - one of these should be able to fix your bar in the wrong place problem
[07:44] <Fusion-81> !sk
[07:45] <Fusion-81> !ask
[07:45] <sach> chull: Sunday, wine and boredom will do that to you :)
[07:45] <chull> hmmm sach i thought we had to eviscerate it and bring it back to life
[07:45] <sach> Nah, if it's working fine otherwise, that'll help you fix it up
your a busy bee and a legend:-D
[07:45] <sach> (I think)
[07:45] <chull> sach, glad you're here :)
[07:46] <sach> mooncake: hah, just waiting for dinner to be done :P and your certs look fine, I honestly have no idea why this is a problem for you
[07:46] <JimBuntu> chull, you can use `dconf reset -f /` to get back to norm (which I know isn't the end goal)... I am looking up the option to regain left and right menu icons
[07:46] <sach> But, I'll find out mooncake, give me a bit. This has reminded me of a nagging issue I was having earlier. The solution has to be the same
[07:47] <chull> JimBuntu, awesome we await your commands :)
[07:47] <mooncake> could it be a box im missing in pidgin or a detail i have not entered i can screenshot what ive entered into pidgin accounts page and my name isnt registered if that matters
[07:47] <JimBuntu> chull, did they have the same icons on the left and right previously?
[07:48] <sach> mooncake: possibly, worst case, you could just tick the "don't verify ssl" and still connect, but that isn't a proper solution
[07:48] <sach> Also, I've never used pidgin
[07:48] <Curi0> how can I make my ecryptfs home not mounted with nosuid and nodev ?
[07:49] <mooncake> while your looking (if you have time) i will fire up hexchat and see if problem persists
[07:49] <Fusion-81> Im trying to install Tensorflow on Ubuntu 17.04 Im fowling this giuld at https://www.quantstart.com/articles/installing-tensorflow-on-ubuntu-1604-with-an-nvidia-gpu I have a GTX 970 GPU Im trying to install for. After following the directions and try to import tensorflow as tf in python 3.6 I get this error.  "https://www.quantstart.com/articles/installing-tensorflow-on-ubuntu-1604-with-an-nvidia-gpu" Any help would be predeceased.
[07:49] <mooncake> either ways thanks very much for your time
[07:50] <Fusion-81> error = ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'tensorflow'
[07:50] <sach> mooncake: imo, HexChat is better at IRC than pidgin
[07:50] <Fusion-81> sry wrong copy paste thing
[07:51]  * JimBuntu prefers Xchat... as I am old and tired of converting Hex to ASCII text in my head ;-)
[07:52] <Fusion-81> I started from a fresh install
[07:52] <Fusion-81> 12X at this point
[07:53] <ducasse> Fusion-81: 17.04 is eol
[07:53] <Fusion-81> In the past 2 day 12 hours aday. It can't be this hard I ask my self! Is it?
[07:53] <JimBuntu> chull, `gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Bottom` is an example command to move the Unity bar to the bottom. I am unsure how you had it on the left AND right side, if that is what you were saying.
[07:54] <chull> JimBuntu, i think they were different on left and right .. hexchat was on the left. ;-)
[07:54] <JimBuntu> chull, You can replace 'Bottom' with 'Left' or 'Right' or 'Top'... btw
[07:55] <chull> JimBuntu, he's telling me he uses cairo-dock which is also broken.
[07:55] <JimBuntu> chull, I have not seen the set up you describe before. I'll happily search, but I think you/they may have had a non-norm setup that I am simply unfamiliar with.
[07:55] <JimBuntu> chull, Oh, dang it... the issue goes deeper yet.
 i think it worked via hexchat (how best to check)
[07:56] <Fusion-81> @ducasse what is eol?
[07:56] <cfhowlett> end of life
[07:56] <chull> well he says it's not broken. it's there but he's sure not zooming in and out with all the little desktop windows
[07:56] <ducasse> !eol | Fusion-81
[07:56] <mooncake> i agree
[07:57] <Fusion-81> I only stayed with it for compatibility reasons as the guide said.
[07:57] <sach> mooncake: [mooncakehexchat] is using a secure connection
[07:57] <sach> mooncake: /whois mooncakehexchat
[07:57] <sach> ;)
[07:58] <mooncake> i think ill stick with hexchat i know more about using it (not much but more than pidgin)
[07:58] <sach> mooncake: /whois mooncake and check the difference
[07:58] <dax> hexchat is significantly better at IRC than pidgin anyway.
[07:58]  * sach agrees
[07:59] <Fusion-81> Im not worried about eof or security. Just want Tensorflow to install. Is there a simple way of doing it? maybe a ISO install or a image?
[07:59] <Triffid_Hunter> heh and kvirc is better at irc than hexchat ;)
[07:59] <sach> weechat++
[07:59] <sach> And I'll slap anyone who says ii
[08:00] <chull> mooncake, i use pidgin but NOT for irc, it's more of a chat client and is superb for other things
[08:00] <dax> Fusion-81: You may not be, but #ubuntu is. Tautologically, we only support supported versions of Ubuntu. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades has upgrade instructions and information on the archive repository for EOL releases. Past that, you're on your own until you upgrade.
[08:00] <chull> i would love some weechat lessons, someday
[08:01] <Fusion-81> dax: I just upgraded
[08:01] <funky> hi folks  Just loaded ubuntu 17.10 and it worked fantasticly, but when I did an update my firefox or anyother program won't access the internet.   P.S. I type slow and think slower  LOL
[08:01] <Fusion-81> 17.xx
[08:01] <Fusion-81> now what
[08:01] <Fusion-81> I did them all.
[08:01] <sach> Hah, I set it up on my brand spankin new server today. That's the real reason why I am so active :D
[08:01] <Fusion-81> I need a direction
[08:01] <Fusion-81> Im stuck
[08:02] <sach> chull: apt install weechat; weechat
[08:02] <chull> sach cool
[08:02] <sach> chull: once it opens - /connect chat.freenode.net
[08:02] <sach> and you're done
[08:03] <chull> sach, lol and then all the other things
[08:03] <sach> Is there anything else? D:
 your such a legend thanks for bothering to even help me and all the others you rock ciao and thank you
[08:03] <sach> Np mate, have fun
[08:03] <chull> i remember when i was learning irc .. with epic.. and didn't know how to leave a channel .. so they banned me. there is always something one doesn't know.
[08:04] <Fusion-81> funky: have you tried plugging it in? A metaphor for did you go to your network settings in the upper right hand corner and select your network?
[08:04] <sach> I just stick /help -help --h -h to the end of something till it gives me flags I can use
[08:05] <funky> yes I did it fusion 81
[08:06] <funky> it says it's connected to intel 1000 net work  fusion-81
[08:06] <JimBuntu> chull, if they/you right-click on the Cairo-Dock and then "Configure", do you see an option that makes sense for left and right menus? Sorry I can't be of more direct help, but I don't use Cairo and am a bit worried about installing it simply to test this out
[08:07] <funky> fusion-81 it worked fine before the updates though :0(
[08:07] <JimBuntu> chull, May also want to check out the "add-ons" tab
[08:09] <funky> I think I'm going to just format and try again since it's Ubuntu and not windoze  it won't take long.
[08:09] <funky> night folks
[08:09] <Fusion-81> I would just install chrome. 1.) "wget -q -O - https://dl-ssl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub | sudo apt-key add -"      2.) "echo 'deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main' | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list"    3.) "sudo apt-get update"    4.)  "sudo apt-get install google-chrome-stable"
[08:09] <Fusion-81> @funky
[08:10] <Fusion-81> ^
[08:10] <auronandace> Fusion-81: it would be difficult to use wget without a network connection...
[08:10] <Fusion-81> Ummm good point
[08:14] <Fusion-81> funky: are you wired or wireless?
[08:16] <chull> JimBuntu, how do we tell which desktop he's using?
[08:18] <sach> mooncakehexchat: I managed to replicate your issue, and now it has me so confused
[08:18] <ducasse> chull: echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[08:18] <JimBuntu> chull, Desktop manager and Windows Manager are different... could try `ls /usr/bin/*session` and see if there is a gnome-session, mate-session, lxsession or icew-session
[08:20] <chull> ducasse, i got a blank line back from that
[08:21] <funky> fusion-81 wired
[08:22] <ducasse> chull: odd, it should work - it does here
[08:22] <chull>  ls /usr/bin/*session
[08:23] <chull>  ls /usr/bin/*session ./usr/bin/cairo-dock-session  /usr/bin/dbus-run-session  /usr/bin/gnome-session
[08:24] <chull> ducasse, JimBuntu ^^
[08:24] <chull> would Unity have made a difference?
[08:25] <JimBuntu> chull, Ah, I see the gnome and cairo sessions in there. Unity would make a difference and I don't suspect you were wanting Unity
[08:26] <chull> JimBuntu, maybe he had unity
[08:26] <chull> he says he did
[08:26] <JimBuntu> Oh ok. Well Unity wouldn't show up differently, you would still have the gnome and cairo as far as I know.
[08:29] <chull> laughing - typed unity in a terminal and POOF!
[08:30] <chull> JimBuntu, at least it gave him a login box
[08:30] <chull> but we are still stuck with the icons wrong
[08:30] <JimBuntu> chull, yeah, I didn't think that would fix it. Sadly, I don't think I will be the one to solve this.
[08:30] <chull> and the top bar is minimized
[08:31] <JimBuntu> Anyone in here a Cairo master?
[08:31] <chull> my experience with cairo-dock is that i wish he never found it and he LOVES it. nobody seems to support it though
[08:32] <JimBuntu> chull,  I can see it's appeal and remember it from a while back... doesn't seem to be wildly popular though
[08:32] <chull> can't imagine why it is actually very nice
[08:33] <JimBuntu> chull, it's simply one of those personal things, I think. I prefer simpler things that don't eat space on my desktop view :/
[08:33] <chull> last time he had some major problem with it we were on all kinds of weird obscure forums. nobody even does email support
[08:34] <JimBuntu> chull, Any chance he has nightly backups? Could try re-introducing a few config files from them.
[08:35] <michael2> hi, when I try to connect my bluetooth earphones from the top left GUI widget  - nothing happens. does anyone know how to fix this?
[08:36] <chull> JimBuntu, it's been a while, i tried older kernels but that didn't help and he's sick a lot so we didn't get to it
[08:37] <JimBuntu> chull, Ok. Well, hope he starts feeling better real soon... and stays better!
[08:38] <chull> JimBuntu, thanks so much!
[08:38] <Fusion-81> funky: Look here..
[08:38] <chull> he's showing me that cairo dock is here. what he wants is his top bar and big icons on both sides
[08:38] <Fusion-81> https://askubuntu.com/questions/555607/wired-connection-not-working-ubuntu-14-04-64-bit
[08:38] <JimBuntu> chull, you are very welcome. I suggest re-posting the issue a few times today... it's pretty dead right now... in about 5 hours a whole new crew will start waking up and the count of non-idle people will sky-rocket
[08:39] <chull> haha yes i've seen :)
[08:39] <auronandace> Fusion-81: funky left
[08:40] <Fusion-81> :-(
[08:43] <faLUCE> Hello. Unfortunately I installed ubuntu with italian language. How can I switch to english language?
[08:53] <s10gopal> after recent update my wifi is not working
[08:54] <bazhang> s10gopal, which version of ubuntu is this, what is your wifi chipset
[08:54] <bazhang> s10gopal, is the wifi built in or usb
[08:54] <s10gopal> ubuntu 14.04 LTS , and i dont know about wifi chipset
[08:54] <s10gopal> Laptop , broadcom wifi
[08:55] <bazhang> s10gopal, broadcom is the chipset
[08:55] <bazhang> s10gopal, please tell us , in a pastebin the output of lspci, pastebin , not in the channel
[08:56] <s10gopal> bazhang, i can see network available but can't connect to them
[08:56] <bazhang> s10gopal, do you get what I mean by pastebin
[08:57] <s10gopal> bazhang, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NKsWvWWdrY/
[09:00] <bazhang> https://askubuntu.com/questions/459654/drivers-for-broadcom-bcm43142-on-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr s10gopal
[09:00] <bazhang> check that link above s10gopal
[09:00] <ircuser> I'm unable to build scilab from its source. Here is the error: https://imgur.com/a/Rw65k
[09:01] <gordonjcp> ircuser: okay?
[09:02] <gordonjcp> ircuser: so did you do what it's telling you?
[09:02] <bazhang> ircuser, why not just install scilab from the ubuntu repos
[09:02] <gordonjcp> bazhang: indeed
[09:02] <bazhang> !info scilab | ircuser
[09:03] <s10gopal_> bazhang, before update my wifi was working on even on 14.04 LTS
[09:03] <ircuser> it reads :  Cannot find headers (hdf5.h) of the library HDF5. Please install the dev package
[09:03] <bazhang> s10gopal_, I gave you link to read
[09:05] <s10gopal_> bazhang, i am unable to understand it
[09:05] <bazhang> s10gopal_, which parts, tell us on a single line
[09:06] <y_morin> Hello! On Ubuntu 17.10, something is constantly removing files from /tmp, every 60 min. What is responsible for that, and how to stop it?
[09:08] <s10gopal_> bazhang, bcmwl-kernel-source is already the newest version when i intall it
[09:09] <Sveta> ircuser: libhdf5-dev
[09:09] <bazhang> s10gopal_, thats the very beginning of that link, not the end solution, did you read through to the end for the solve?
[09:10] <y_morin> LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64  -Os  -fPIC -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN  -DPIC -c -o objs/gzread.o gzread.c
[09:10] <s10gopal_> bazhang, yes
[09:10] <y_morin> /home/ymorin/dev/buildroot/O/host/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc -fstack-protector-all -fPIE -Wl,-z,now -Wl,-z,relro -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D
[09:10] <y_morin> LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64  -Os  -fPIC -fPIC -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE=1 -DHAVE_HIDDEN  -DPIC -c -o objs/gzwrite.o gzwrite.c
[09:10] <y_morin> Arg, bad terminal, so sorry... :-/
[09:11] <bazhang> s10gopal_, so what did you modprobe after a reboot once you had installed all the necessary packages
[09:12] <s10gopal_> bazhang, idk
[09:13] <bazhang> s10gopal_, then you need to recheck the link and do what it says follow the proper packages install, reboot and the last most important part
[09:14] <s10gopal_> bazhang, sudo modprobe wl
[09:17] <s10gopal_> bazhang, thx
[09:30] <axldenied> Hello here
[09:39] <RedCat27> exit
[09:46] <ircuser> gordonjcp: Yes I followed the instructions given at : https://wiki.scilab.org/Compilation%20of%20Scilab
[09:57] <hargut> Hello.
[10:10] <lammer> ыч
[10:27] <labs> hello all
[10:28] <labs> ubuntu 16.04.3 , when i upgrade , there is a kernel upgrade that breaks ubuntu , how can i hold older kernel , so that it doe not upgrade the kernel ( due to the spectre )
[10:35] <labs> in short , that upgrade bricks ubuntu
[10:38] <labs> can i use apt to hold older current kernel , so when updating it hold that one
[10:38] <labs> ?
[10:41] <Space-Duck> labs, sudo apt-mark hold kernal_image_name_here
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> !usn | labs check also if the kernel your using is still secure
[10:51] <Industrial> Hi. I have seem to removed the /etc/resolv.conf symlink and I can't remember where the file came from. 16.04
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> Industrial: you want a pastebin of the content?
[10:53] <Industrial> lotuspsychje: it's not a symlink on your system? I would like to know the symlink path
[10:56] <Industrial> got it
[10:56] <Industrial>  /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[10:57] <banyantree> Hi
[10:59] <banyantree> can somebody help me to fix an issue with gfx? If i view a video on netflix there are horizontal interferences. My gfx card is radeon 5670 on ubuntu 16.04
[10:59] <banyantree> the radeon driver is loaded and working
[11:02] <akik> banyantree: it could be about the video tearing. i don't have an amd card but i've seen that "TearFree" has been mentioned in connection to that
[11:02] <akik> https://cubethethird.wordpress.com/2016/06/14/eliminate-screen-tearing-with-amd-gpu-on-ubuntu/
[11:02] <banyantree> akik: thx i found that tearfree thing too
[11:02] <akik> (just a random link i found)
[11:04] <banyantree> akik: google found something like adding in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-amdgpu.conf "Tearfree" "on"
[11:04] <banyantree> akik: but after that the desktop manager couldnt start anymore - so i deleted this line
[11:06] <Guest8211> Hi. Which ftp can I use?  I just want to add a record like 'username:passwd:accessflag:directory' to make it work. Seems vsftpd is too complicated to be a ftpserver
[11:06] <banyantree> akik: on https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grafikkarten/AMD/radeon/ it says edid your etc/X11/xorg.conf but there is no such file
[11:08] <akik> banyantree: yes ubuntu has decided that that directory doesn't exist by default, but if you create it, it will be used
[11:09] <akik> banyantree: you need the whole config block, not just that one line
[11:09] <banyantree> akik: doh
[11:10] <OnkelTem> Hi all
[11:11] <OnkelTem> Can you recommend a video editor?  I can't seem to find it in google.
[11:21] <kandinski> I just installed a new keyboard on my lenovo x220 (running Ubuntu 17.10) and the left and center mouse buttons seem to be giving out the same code: in particular, I can't click-drag using the left button (button1)
[11:21] <kandinski> and the trackpoint
[11:22] <kandinski> I'd like to be able to diagnose it better, but I don't know how
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> kandinski: can this help you? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input
[11:28] <tomreyn> !synaptics | Trent121: It is installed automatically but you may want to read this
[11:28] <tomreyn> Trent121: more precisely, it's in the kernel, no need to install an extra driver.
[11:28] <kandinski> lotuspsychje: thanks, looking at it
[11:28] <Trent121> tomreyn: I have synapitcs installed... But I want the GUI configuration screen.
[11:31] <tomreyn> Trent121: i don't think there is one other than what's readily available on the settings menu in mouse/touchpad options.
[11:31] <Trent121> tomreyn: I don't have ANY of those options in my mouse settings. There is no touchpad.
[11:34] <tomreyn> Trent121: the debian wiki suggests that uninstalling the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and installing the xserver-xorg-input-libinput package (and restaring X) can increase the options exposed on the settings menus.
[11:34] <tomreyn> https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad -> Debian 9 "Stretch"
[11:37] <SimonNL> Trent121: tpconfig   is that what you are looking for?
[11:37] <Trent121> tomreyn: There used to be a GUI thing that would work.... Some kind of Synaptic manager? I used it in Linux Mint...
[11:38] <SimonNL> https://imgur.com/a/bDgDG   Trent121
[11:39] <Trent121> SimonNL: Possibly how do I get those drivers?
[11:39] <SimonNL> Trent121: package manager
[11:40] <SimonNL> if not there I wouldn't know
[11:40] <SimonNL> !tpconfig
[11:41] <mukuwe> whats the best vpn for linux ubuntu 14.04
[11:41] <Trent121> TPConfig doesn't show any results SimonNL
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> mukuwe: we dont take polls here mate, only the support part of vpn
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> mukuwe: perhaps ask in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss?
[11:43] <mukuwe> thanks my guy..
[11:44] <tomreyn> tpconfig was removed in xenial
[11:45] <Trent121> Well that's great :)
[11:45] <tomreyn> probably a dead project, just like qsynaptics
[11:45] <SimonNL> Trent121: if not available there will be I reason I think
[11:45] <tomreyn> try libinput
[11:46] <Trent121> QSynaptics was it!!!!!!!!!!
[11:47] <Trent121> I think
[11:48] <tomreyn> "Last Update: 2013-04-17"
[11:48] <Doow> Hi, I'm trying to get a better understanding of the ubuntu boot/startup process. Specifically when booting with EFI. What partitions/files are included, both when configuring and during actual boot. Is there anywhere I can read up on that. Everything is either supergeneric and not specific to ubuntu i.e. "what is the whole EFI standard?" or it's troubleshooting advice for very specific problems.
[11:51] <EriC^^> Doow: https://iam.tj/kb/pc/boot/
[11:55] <Doow> EriC^^: This is great, thank you! (btw thanks for the help a couple of days ago, I got so far that I can run the installer now, but it fails on installing grub
[11:55] <EriC^^> Doow: np, you could run the installer with 'ubiquity -b' so it doesn't install grub, and then chroot and manually install it
[11:55] <Doow> I can boot into single user mode atm and mount partitions, etc, so I'm fairly confident I can repair it)
[11:56] <Doow> Is there any crucial step done after the grub installation?
[11:57] <EriC^^> Doow: i dont think so, i think it removes the unused packages, i'm not sure
[11:57] <Doow> Great, things are looking bright then :)
[11:59] <Doow> As a side note, that site you linked isn't set up correctly for https, so it's not actually encrypting anything from what firefox tells me. The http://iam.tj/kb/pc/boot version seems to be working correctly.
[12:25] <rick81> hola
[12:25] <rick81> alguien que hable español
[12:26] <alpha_Aquilae> !es rick81
[12:27] <alpha_Aquilae> !fr alpha_Aquilae
[12:30] <whizzkid> hi there
[12:31] <whizzkid> please can anyone help with how to create wifi hotspot with my laptop in ubuntu?
[12:45] <Dadounne> !topic
[12:46] <RonaldsMazitis> hello, I have old amd pc, but it shows that I'm running intel hd drivers for sound
[12:47] <RonaldsMazitis> how can I restore default drivers
[12:47] <kk4ewt> RonaldsMazitis, lspci | grep Audio
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> RonaldsMazitis: does your sound not work?
[12:49] <RonaldsMazitis> yes
[12:49] <ecormier> RonaldsMazitis: can you open a terminal and run this: lspci -k
[12:50] <mooncakehexchat>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[12:50] <RonaldsMazitis> lspci | grep Audio has no output
[12:50] <ecormier> that would be bad
[12:53] <RonaldsMazitis> paste.ubuntu.com/p/pCQYvjZDjj/
[12:53] <RonaldsMazitis> www.paste.ubuntu.com/p/pCQYvjZDjj/
[12:54] <RonaldsMazitis> www does not work
[12:54] <ecormier> line 11 is the match for the first grep.... you mistyped something
[12:55] <RonaldsMazitis> that pc ain't lenovo
[12:55] <RonaldsMazitis> nor intel
[12:55] <ecormier> are you sure you're running the command on the right machine?
[12:55] <ecormier> lspci never lies
[12:56] <RonaldsMazitis> yes
[12:56] <ecormier> RonaldsMazitis: try this: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:57] <myy> when i run dmidecode, it shows i have an i7 processor though i have i5
[12:57] <myy> any ideas?
[12:58] <RonaldsMazitis> it shows pentium d processor
[12:59] <RonaldsMazitis> it supposed to be amd
[12:59] <RonaldsMazitis> with spectre fixes
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> myy: inxi -C
[13:00] <RonaldsMazitis> how on earth ubuntu changes processor type
[13:02] <ecormier> it doesn't, you've made a mistake somewhere
[13:03] <ecormier> either you've ssh'ed into the wrong machine or you were mistaken what was in the machine
[13:05] <mooncakehexchat> any way to change nickserv email typod my email address not confirmed yet
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> !register | mooncakehexchat
[13:06] <mooncakehexchat> :) your a boss
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> mooncakehexchat: here is only ubuntu support
[13:23] <Ezyrat> Bonjour, Je teste pour la première fois un client IRC ;)
[13:24] <auronandace> !fr | Ezyrat
[13:25] <Ezyrat> oh sorry. hi ! i first use IRC client (and my english is far from good ^^)
[13:27] <auronandace> Ezyrat: if you need any help with using irc you can /join #freenode and ask there. If you need any help with ubuntu then here is the right place to ask. Welcome to irc.
[13:29] <Ezyrat> Ok thank you, i just want to see if i can send messages and i see the client work well.
[13:39] <netochka> Anyone knows how to install SuperBeam on Ubuntu?
[13:43] <Guest27295> tc
[13:50] <draget> On Xenial, wanting to develop qt5 applications. Installing qtcreator will provide the IDE. But I wonder what the correct meta package is to get the qt-dev-libraries. Some howtos say it is 'qtdeclarative5-dev' while https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Qt/ says 'qt5-default' or 'qttools5-dev-tools '. What would be the right meta-package?
[13:50] <salamanderrake> https://twitter.com/ExtendMode/status/967725843589009409 Developer of 8 dragons is taking a poll to see how many would buy there game if it came to Linux.
[13:50] <ikonia> depends what you want
[13:50] <ikonia> salamanderrake: we don't need that spam in here please
[13:52] <salamanderrake> ain't you the guys who put ads in search results?
[13:52] <ikonia> no, this is an irc channel of people,
[13:53] <ikonia> and that has nothing to do with what you've just posted
[13:55] <draget> ikonia: I guess I want qt5-doc if is it not already a dependency of said libraries. And I want core, widgets, sql etc. development libarries.
[13:55] <draget> Waiting for my ubuntu VM to finish setting up - I will try and see what qtdeclarative5-dev pulls
[13:55] <ikonia> draget: the meta packages you left for, will (I'm sure) have cross over packages shared by both, so I guess you need to find the right meta package(s) that contain your personal needs
[13:56] <ikonia> draget: just run a search against QT list the meta packages and do a describe
[13:56] <ikonia> draget: see what gets you closest to your wants
[13:56] <draget> Can apt somehow 'show' me what packages are meta-packages?
[13:56] <ikonia> draget: yup, you can list the contents of a package
[13:56] <ikonia> (in this case it would be a list of other packages)
[14:02] <draget> So, qtdeclarative5-dev pulls devs dependencies, just as qt5-default does. *meh*
[14:03] <ikonia> that's what I meant about a cross-over
[14:06] <draget> Okay… qt5-default *also* pulls the dev libs, but as far as I understood now, the actual metapackage is 'qtdeclarative5-dev'. The 'qt5-default' package will only also set all default binding to qt5, i.e. making qt5 the default framework when deving apps. I see.
[14:06] <andrewbota> hi
[14:07] <draget> qt5-doc is pulled by neither of them. Fair enough. Have a nice day everyone. :)
[14:07] <andrewbota> You too :)
[14:09] <andrewbota> Wassup'
[14:09] <andrewbota> :()
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> andrewbota: this channel is for ubuntu support
[14:25] <a_djangooo> asd
[14:25] <anon_> djangooo
[14:31] <mooncakehexchat> sorry for posting here but i need help getting to the channel to drop all nick associated with my email address please help me with channel and i will head there
[14:31] <root> sup
[14:31] <Guest218> what is dis ?
[14:32] <mooncakehexchat> an ubuntu help chatroom
[14:32] <Guest218> cool
[14:35] <pizzaburger> Hi! Trying to burn mp3's to a cd with Brasero 3.12.1. Getting error "mp3 is not suitable for audio or video media". Running Ubuntu 17.10. Any suggestions? thank you!
[14:36] <Triffid_Hunter> pizzaburger: try k3b
[14:39] <mooncakehexchat> i am unable to register my nick to my email i have registered to many to the email and dont know the nicks or how to drop or disassociate them so i can reg one and use one only googlen for 30mins need to get to a nameserv nickserv freenode chat channel please help me
[14:39] <ikonia> mooncakehexchat: #freenode channel
[14:39] <ikonia> mooncakehexchat: they can help you
[14:39] <mooncakehexchat> thank you
[14:44] <pizzaburger> Triffid_Hunter: Thank You very much!
[14:57] <aelx> Hi, I'm trying to set up two network interfaces in Ubuntu, but after I define a static IP address, it won't access the internet anymore
[14:59] <Triffid_Hunter> aelx: did you set gateway and dns servers too?
[15:00] <aelx> Triffid_Hunter: I did set the gateway. Where should I set the dns servers? At /etc/network/interfaces?
[15:01] <Triffid_Hunter> aelx: well historically they went in /etc/resolv.conf but modern systems tend to break that and I don't know the new place to put 'em
[15:07] <aelx> Triffid_Hunter: it's still not working. Any changes I made in /etc/resolv.conf are lost when rebooting the system
[15:08] <Triffid_Hunter> aelx: yeah like I said, modern systems break it
[15:08] <aelx> Triffid_Hunter: but I also put the dns nameservers at /etc/network/interfaces
[15:09] <kk4ewt> which NetworkManager overwrites
[15:09] <auronandace> !resolvconf
[15:10] <Triffid_Hunter> ah networkmanager, yeah that's the one that always breaks everything for m
[15:10] <Triffid_Hunter> me
[15:14] <kimlat> hello
[15:15] <kimlat> can anyone help me in here
[15:15] <OerHeks> kimlat, ask, wait and see
[15:15] <kimlat> how can i disable touchscreen permanently in ubuntu 17.10
[15:17] <OerHeks> get your touchscreen XID with xinput --list, and disable .. https://askubuntu.com/questions/766731/i-need-to-permanently-disable-the-touchscreen-input-ubuntu-16-04
[15:18] <OerHeks> should work for 17.10 too
[15:19] <kimlat> i did that but when im installing any application from ubuntu software touchscreen is working again
[15:22] <OerHeks> strange, so XID changed after installing something ..?
[15:24] <kimlat> yes any apps installed via snap
[15:25] <kimlat> but nothing happens if i use apt get
[15:26] <OerHeks> oh good observation, might be worth a bugreport
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> kimlat: your on wayland or xorg?
[15:26] <kimlat> xorg
[15:26] <kimlat> i cant disable touchscreen in wayland
[15:28] <kimlat> xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf when i edit this file no peripherals work
[15:29] <Tathagat2006> how to join #ubuntu-kernel?
[15:29] <OerHeks> that would disable all touch devices, i uess
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> Tathagat2006: what is your issue exactly?
[15:30] <OerHeks> Tathagat2006, what message do you get when you try? maybe you need to register with freenode first
[15:30] <OerHeks> !register
[15:30] <kimlat> is there anyway you guys know to disable this?
[15:31] <OerHeks> kimlat, nope, the fix i gave you used to work, but when it gets enabled when installing a snap, is certainly a conflict
[15:31] <OerHeks> conflict in design, or a bug
[15:32] <TJ-> kimlat: does installing a snap app re-enable the touchscreen input for /everything/ or just for snap apps/app ?
[15:32] <kimlat> just snap apps
[15:33] <Tathagat2006> unable to join #ubuntu-kernel
[15:33] <OerHeks> interesting, so it looks like design
[15:33] <TJ-> kimlat: OK, and snap is actually a wrapper arund LXD containers so it could be something to do with the way the host input devices are mapped into the snap containers
[15:35] <TJ-> Tathagat2006: you need to 'identify' with nickserv, as in /msg nickserv identify <yourpassword>"
[15:36] <abramovich> #opsec
[15:36] <TJ-> Tathagat2006: many channels require user's to be registered and identified with services before joining, to prevent spammers and other abusive behaviour
[15:37] <Clopinia> Hi guys and girls, well, i'm a bit embarrased to ask this question, i feel dumb, i always run 32bit linux on old laptop, but recently i found lots of software who only run under 64bit. I'have looted a decent Dell Latitude e6400 recently, and by reflex, i install the 32 bit 16.04 ubuntu release. But when i look the specs of my processor ( Core™2 Duo P8700 ) i see it can handle 64 bit. When i type lshw i have the mention of both 32bi
[15:37] <kimlat> btw thank you guys for responding
[15:37] <ioria> kimlat, have you tried with a custom /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[15:37] <Tathagat2006> i forgot my password
[15:37] <Tathagat2006> how to recover it
[15:37] <kimlat> it disables all the peripherals
[15:38] <OerHeks> Tathagat2006, ask in #freenode
[15:38] <ioria> kimlat, you're using xorg, right ?
[15:38] <kimlat> yes
[15:38] <ioria> kimlat, and a xorg.conf disables  the peripherals ?
[15:39] <OerHeks> Clopinia, lshw shows hardware, logically it is 64 bit, with that 64 bit processor
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> Clopinia: reinstall with 64bit
[15:41] <kostkon> Clopinia, download and install the amd64 iso of 16.04
[15:41] <tomreyn> Clopinia: also your question was cust off at "When i type lshw i have the mention of both 32bi" due to the characters / line limit of IRC
[15:41] <kimlat> there is no xorg.conf in etc/x11 folder
[15:41] <Clopinia> OerHeks and lotuspychje: i use the system since a while ( lot of personalisation and file ), there is any solution for switching architecture and keep my file and app ( like when i upgrade to the next LTS version for example ? ) ( thanks for the answer ! )
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> !info aptoncd | Clopinia
[15:42] <ioria> kimlat, yes, you need to create one
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> Clopinia: lubuntu 64bit 16.04 will upgrade to the next release LTS when it comes out
[15:43] <kimlat> is that different from this one /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
[15:43] <OerHeks> Clopinia, even if you avoid formatting your /home/, there is still a risc
[15:43] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: that's a nice package but how does it help switching OS architectures?
[15:43] <ioria> kimlat, not much
[15:43] <OerHeks> no backup means your files are not important
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: i just reply on the part or 'keep my file and app'
[15:44] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: okay, but effectively you won't be able to do so if you'll switch architectures, right?
[15:44] <dr__> If I do "apt-get source package", what is the location of the package source code on disk?
[15:45] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: i suspect 'keep my app' refers to installed packages
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: doesnt it auto get the right arch?
[15:45] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: i dont actually know. how would it know what is 'right'?
[15:46] <tomreyn> i'm just trying to understand, never used it
 i will just copy the xorg.conf.d folder to etc/x11
[15:46] <ioria> kimlat, who told you that ?
[15:47] <ioria> kimlat, no use
[15:47] <tomreyn> Clopinia: this command shuld provide a list of packages you manually installed (some, not all of them): comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(gzip -dc /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz | sed -n 's/^Package: //p' | sort -u)
[15:47] <Clopinia> well, i thinks i'm juste gonna backup all, note the modification i do ( and renember how i did them ), then reinstall a x64 version
[15:47] <ioria> kimlat, just create a  xorg.conf under /etc/X11
[15:47] <kimlat> ioria: oh ok btw thanks for the help
[15:47] <tomreyn> Clopinia: once you have this list, you can store it somewhere and later install the same packages again after you reinstalled the 64-bit variant of Ubuntu.
[15:48] <ioria> kimlat, with this content : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JcjDTpJKsv/
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: your right, it cant do it: You can restore packages to any system, as long as the systems use the same architecture
[15:49] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: thanks for checking :)
[15:49] <kimlat> ioria: thank you i will try that
[15:49] <Clopinia> tomreyn: thanks for the command
[15:50] <ioria> kimlat, ok
[15:50] <Clopinia> i'm gonna study possibilities you submit me, thanks for the help everyone ( sorry for the language, still french^^ )
[15:52] <Tathagat2006> #ubuntu-kernel
[15:53] <kostkon> Tathagat2006, you are almost there
[15:53] <kostkon> Tathagat2006,   /j #channel_name
[15:54] <Tathagat2006> kostkon: Thanks
[15:59] <sxclimax> Hello!
[15:59] <jdr> I am trying to compile a kernel from scratch on ubuntu.
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | jdr
[15:59] <jdr> I keep getting to scripts/link-vmlinux.sh: line 70: 18562 Killed
[15:59] <jdr> recipe for target vmlinux failed
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> sxclimax: welcome, what can we do for you?
[16:00] <kostkon> !compilekernel
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> kostkon: +1
[16:01] <sxclimax> I need help with my partner's computer. I recently tried converting her over to Ubuntu. We installed ubuntu 16.04 LTS onto her lenovo U410 laptop. It was working fine for a few weeks. Now, the login page loads normally, but once she logs in, there is only a black screen. I can Ctrl + Alt +F1 to the terminal or I can login to the guest account no problem instead. What gives? How can I fix the display settings?
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> sxclimax: have you tryed a lightdm restart?
[16:02] <sxclimax> Nope. Not sure how to do that
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> sxclimax: sudo service lightdm restart
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> sxclimax: wich graphics card and driver do you have?
[16:03] <sxclimax> The lightdm restart brought me back to the login page, but once I logged in, the same problem occured – black screen
[16:03] <sxclimax> What's the terminal command to list the graphics card and driver?
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> sxclimax: sudo lshw -C video
[16:04] <kostkon> sxclimax, also checked any logs after logging in, including .xsessionerrors? nonetheless, you could try resetting unity/compiz. Also, have you already installed the latest updates for unity and compiz that came out just  a few days ago
[16:04] <sxclimax> NVIDIA GF119M [GeForce 610M]
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> sxclimax: and behind driver= at bottom?
[16:05] <sxclimax> Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
[16:05] <kostkon> sxclimax, hmm it could also be an nvidia driver problem
[16:05] <sxclimax> driver = nouveau
[16:05] <sxclimax> driver = 1915
[16:05] <kostkon> sxclimax, oh a dual gpu system
[16:06] <sxclimax> xsessionerrors: "OpenConnection: connect: No such file or directory; cannot connect to brltty at :0"
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> sxclimax: you could try installing an nvidia driver from your drivers list (ubuntu-drivers list)
[16:07] <kostkon> sxclimax, the logs in /var/log, especially syslog kern.log and Xorg.0.log?
[16:07] <sxclimax> Okay. First I will update and upgrade my system. It's updating right now, which I assume will udpate unity and compiz.
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> sxclimax: as your card is a hybrid, you best perform with an nvidia driver + nvidia-prime to be able to switch
[16:09] <sxclimax> karn.log: "…dhcp6…request timed out"
[16:09] <sxclimax> karn.log: "…Entering running state…"
[16:10] <sxclimax> lotuspsychje: That sounds like the most promising avenue to fix the display. How exactly do I install the nividia driver?
[16:10] <kostkon> sxclimax, here's the wiki page for dual gpu systems https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> sxclimax: not sure if its related to your current problem, but ubuntu-drivers list to see whats avalaible
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> sxclimax: then sudo apt install nvidia-your-driver-number
[16:11] <sxclimax> In Xorg.0.log: "Warning, couldn't open module nvidia; UnloadModule: "nvidia""
[16:12] <sxclimax> I'm given three nvidia options, "nvidia-384, 340, and 304" How do I know which one I want?
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> sxclimax: you can try and test, i would first go for 384
[16:13] <sxclimax> Okay, thanks. Once the ubuntu updates are installed, I will give it a shot
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> sxclimax: if it doesnt workout well, you can sudo apt purge nvidia* to fall back to nouveau
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> sxclimax: perhaps first a reboot before drivers install?
[16:14] <sxclimax> Sure
[16:14] <dazi> hi, i am using ubuntu budgie 17.10 and my system performance is getting slow every time when i am connected with the internet
[16:14] <dazi> Any suggestion please ?
[16:15] <dazi> Just to be clear internet performance is fine.
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> dazi: can you explain what bottlenecks exactly
[16:16] <dazi> okay let me see
[16:17] <lvfx93> hey people, how to set encoding utf-8 to grub?
[16:17] <dazi> could you help me with the command to check the bottlenecks?
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> dazi: you are the one that should explain us what your experiencing?
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> dazi: your desktop lags? programs slow opening? what happens exactly?
[16:19] <dazi> i am facing both
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> dazi: are you on the xorg session or wayland?
[16:20] <dazi> xorg
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> dazi: what are your system specs?
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> dazi: you get this on wayland too?
[16:22] <OerHeks> lvfx93, why? EFI, FAT32 file system is case-insensitive as it does not use UTF-8 encoding by default.
[16:22] <dazi> Core i3 2.4 Ghz, 2gb, 500Gb
[16:22] <lvfx93> lvfx93, OerHeks, I"m using ubuntu server, so I installed GRUB, I'm using EXT4
[16:22] <dazi> Intel
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> dazi: hmm that should run budgie fine
[16:23] <dazi> i even found windows 7 performing faster
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> dazi: was this an upgrade or clean install?
[16:24] <marius> hi
[16:24] <lvfx93> OerHeks, it's showing some weird characters like ????? in the middle of ubuntu entry
[16:24] <marius> okay
[16:25] <Guest44531> mfc
[16:25] <Guest44531> d
[16:25] <Guest44531> d
[16:25] <Guest44531> d
[16:25] <OerHeks> lvfx93, utf-8 is not set on systembase, but user base.. what does 'locale' show?
[16:26] <OerHeks> oh, maybe there is a glitch, faulty sector.. i would do a disk check
[16:29] <wersewarter> hi guys
[16:29] <Guest44531> whats going on
[16:29] <wersewarter> Where all users?
[16:30] <Guest44531> yes
[16:30] <wersewarter> Please say me a Russian Channel for Ubuntu
[16:30] <dazi> i have been facing another problem, no matter what linux distro i have installed my system get stuck while shutdown,
[16:30] <wersewarter> at this Server
[16:30] <sxclimax> Hey all, the screen is now working. Thanks!
[16:30] <OerHeks> !ru
[16:31] <wersewarter> Спасибо
[16:31] <dazi> it restarts fine. but when i shut it down after long use it starts freezing
[16:31] <dazi> any suggestion please
[16:32] <dazi> i have tried to find some solutions but they stay effective for a while
[16:34] <Pinkamena_D> Hey guys, I have one installation of ubuntu server that was on old-machine and one installation of regular ubuntu that was on new-machine, working fine. I wanted to upgrade the server machine with the hardware in new-machine, so I put the hard drive from old-machine, with ubuntu server, to the new-machine. It boots past the 'welcome to ubuntu' to starting some service and then immediatly shuts down. I think there is some message about what service it is
[16:34] <Pinkamena_D> but it shuts so quick I can not read it. Recovery mode does the same thing.
[16:34] <dazi> Anyone
[16:34] <dazi> ?
[16:35] <Pinkamena_D> I have never had much issue moving an ubuntu hdd from one machine to another and having it still work fairly well on the new mechine, if there any reason I should avoid this?
[16:37] <dazi> i read a thread says; by install nividia-384 problem solved but it didn't work for me
[16:39] <lvfx93> OerHeks, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cgBZbzTTBG/
[17:20] <tallguy> g'mrn ubuntu folks
[17:21] <lvfx93> tallguy, good morning
[17:21] <tallguy> hello lvfx93
[17:22] <jose__> how can i get system-load-monitor working on 17.10?
[17:28] <lvfx93> jose__, https://askubuntu.com/questions/968641/how-does-one-get-system-load-indicator-or-something-similar-working-in-17-10
[17:28] <jdonald> Two questions: 1) Is there someone here with access to change status on Launchpad bugs? Affected users would like to see this ticket: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1711337 changed from "Fix Released" back to "Confirmed".
[17:29] <jdonald> 2) How could we change the Launchpad build script for firefox, or reach someone who can do that? The idea is so change CC/CXX in mozconfig to clang.
[17:30] <Boyette> hi can someone help me to install spotnet
[17:31] <ikonia> spotnet ?
[17:32] <Boyette> yes
[17:32] <Boyette> application
[17:32] <Boyette> maybe for ubuntu only spotlite available
[17:32] <Boyette> to connect to usenet
[17:32] <Boyette> or there is anything better ?
[17:33] <ikonia> thatsit's not an application though is it ?
[17:33] <ikonia> "it's not an application is it?"
[17:44] <baba_> .
[17:51] <Boyette> its an application
[17:52] <ikonia> I've never heard od it, is it even available for linux ?
[17:53] <ikonia> of it
[17:53] <Boyette> it should be but spotlite is a bit old
[17:53] <Boyette> its to connect to usenet servers
[17:53] <ikonia> what's the official website for spotnet ?
[17:57] <mtdms> what open source password manager do you recommend?
[18:13] <Pinkamena_D> Hey guys, I have one installation of ubuntu server that was on old-machine and one installation of regular ubuntu that was on new-machine, working fine. I wanted to upgrade the server machine with the hardware in new-machine, so I put the hard drive from old-machine, with ubuntu server, to the new-machine. It boots past the 'welcome to ubuntu' to starting some service and then immediatly shuts down. I think there is some message about what service it is
[18:13] <Pinkamena_D> but it shuts so quick I can not read it. Recovery mode does the same thing.
[18:13] <Pinkamena_D> I have never had much issue moving an ubuntu hdd from one machine to another and having it still work fairly well on the new mechine, if there any reason I should avoid this?
[18:13] <Pinkamena_D> (repeat because I lost connection)
[18:13] <ikonia> try booting into single user mode
[18:13] <ikonia> but you shouldn't be swapping hard disks like that, more so if the hardware has any propritary modules or config
[18:14] <ikonia> the answer is to copy the data from machine A to B and copy/rebuild the config on the target machine
[18:14] <ikonia> not move the hard disk and hope
[18:18] <ahmed_> login
[18:22]  * vlt moved disks to newer hardware all of his life. That was one of the great advantages of linux.
[18:22] <Pinkamena_D> ikonia: thanks, when I installed ubuntu on the new machine, I did not have to install any new modules. But mainly I am confused at the behaviour of just turning off instantly instead of giving an error or something
[18:23] <Pinkamena_D> completely starting the build from scratch would be quite a pain
[18:23] <ioria> Pinkamena_D, sounds a uuid issue ...
[18:23] <Pinkamena_D> there are many services and such I have configured
[18:24] <Pinkamena_D> if the uuid is wrong, I have had it say something like 'cant find root volume' and dropping to initramfs, but never just loading services and power killed in the middle
[18:24] <ioria> not always, but that's correct
[18:24] <Pinkamena_D> I would say it was a hardware issue for sure except for the fact I can put the other ubuntu disk back and it works
[18:25] <ioria> Pinkamena_D, why don't you boot a livecd on the faulty hw (if so)
[18:25] <Pinkamena_D> The disk in fstab was UUID instead of /dev configured, but the uuid should not change when moving the disk from one machine to another, right?
[18:30] <TJ-> Pinkamena_D what are the kernel versions and Ubuntu releases of the 'old' and 'new' ?
[18:34] <courrier> Every time I disconnect my Dell XPS 13 running 16.04.4 with i915_bpo driver from its workstation, I get a stacktrace related to drm_framebuffer_remove in dmesg, do you have any suggestion to fix this issue? http://paste.debian.net/1011941/
[18:42] <courrier> It might have been fixed in a later version, but I'm not sure this actually matches my bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93578
[18:44] <kiosco> hola
[18:45] <sander> How do I upgrade ubuntu to latest version?
[18:45] <ikonia> !upgrade | sander
[18:46] <OerHeks> courrier, 4.12 seems to fix things? on xenial, enable HWE ??
[18:46] <OerHeks> !hwe
[18:47] <sander> ikonia, I have an old virtualbox, 4.3.36_Ubuntur105129
[18:47] <sander> Do you know how I get a decent one, without too much trouble?
[18:47] <ikonia> what is 4.3.36_Ubuntur105129
[18:47] <tyzoid> So I'm trying to launch a virtualmachine, but whenever I do, it starts in a 'gurumeditation' state.
[18:47] <sander> VBoxManage -version
[18:47] <ikonia> sander: ok ?
[18:48] <ikonia> are you trying to upgrade "ubuntu" or that single package ?
[18:48] <sander> ikonia, in #vbox they said ubuntu did fork it
[18:48] <ikonia> are you trying to upgrade "ubuntu" or that single package ?
[18:48] <tyzoid> Works fine with a linux 4.13 kernel guest, but breaks after updating it to 4.15
[18:48] <sander> making the sound fuzzy
[18:48] <tyzoid> vboxmanage -version: 5.0.40_Ubuntur115130
[18:48] <courrier> OerHeks: ah yes, how do you know wether hwe is already enabled, this is inclued in the kernel name?
[18:49] <sander> ikonia, I think I want to do the single package instead.
[18:49] <courrier> Mince is 4.4.0-116-generic, so I guess it does not have hwe
[18:49] <ikonia> sander: so thats not going to happen from the ubuntu provided packages
[18:49] <tyzoid> Using ubuntu server 16.04
[18:49] <OerHeks> courrier, indeed, 4.4.0 is the regular xenial kernel
[18:50] <sander> ikonia, so if I use: do-release-upgrade then it will work?
[18:50] <ikonia> sander: that will upgrade the whole ubuntu distro to the next available release
[18:50] <courrier> Cool, I'll test hwe and tell, thank you OerHeks
[18:52] <sander> ikonia, how do I upgrade between lts releases.. fromo trusty.. to..
[18:52] <ikonia> sander: the link ubottu sent you talks about it
[18:54] <OerHeks> the step to 16.04 is huge, i would make a fresh vm
[18:54] <tyzoid> Any ideas? is vbox5.0 just broken for newer kernels?
[18:55] <ikonia> surely if you use the vbox packages provided by ubuntu it will work with ubuntu kernels ?
[18:56] <tyzoid> I'm talking about the guest
[18:56] <ikonia> how does the guest care ?
[18:56] <tyzoid> I have a guest vm, archlinux runnint the 4.13 kernel. If it update it to 4.15, the virtualmachine failes to launch
[18:56] <tyzoid> gets stuck in the 'gurumeditation' state
[18:56] <ikonia> the vm fails to launch, or the vm launches but the guest refuses to boot
[18:57] <sander> ikonia, will I get virtualbox 5.2 with the latest ubuntu lts?
[18:57] <ikonia> sander: no idea, have a look in the package list for the version you want to use
[18:57] <OerHeks> yes, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox
[18:58] <sander> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Testbuilds <-- This is the package
[18:58] <OerHeks> as 'latest lts' will be Bionic 18.04
[18:58] <tyzoid> ikonia: https://ptpb.pw/QEZ- is all I can tell
[18:58] <tyzoid> I'm on ubuntu 16.04 server, so I don't have a gui, and I don't see any log files about it
[19:03] <Pinkamena_D> When aranging monitors in 17.10, I dont see any 'apply' button, and clicking to another menu and back just resets my settings
[19:05] <tyzoid> ikonia: Any ideas?
[19:05] <tyzoid> If not, I'm going to try updating to 5.2
[19:06] <Budgii> how do i find out what ram is installed on linux?
[19:06] <sander> I'm trying the do-release-upgrade now
[19:07] <tyzoid> Budgii: Do you mean how much ram?
[19:07] <tyzoid> `free -m` has that info
[19:07] <Budgii> I know i've got 6GB, but i'm looking to upgrade. I'd like to sell the old ram, so i want to find out what specific type is in there to get a quote.
[19:07] <ramsub07> hi I'm able to see my external hard drive on $sudo fdisk -l, but I am not able to mount it with mount -t ntfs
[19:08] <tyzoid> Budgii: Apart from physically checking, `sudo dmidecode --type 17` should do it
[19:10] <Budgii> tyzoid, thanks. I don't see RAM in this list, though.
[19:10] <tyzoid> There should be a 'Type: DDRx' line in there
[19:10] <tyzoid> try grepping for DDR
[19:12] <ramsub07> hi how do i mount the external harddrive? and i want to mount at start time
[19:12] <Budgii> tyzoid, I sent you the results.
[19:13] <tyzoid> Budgii: You used type 1, not type 17
[19:13] <Budgii> ooops
[19:13] <Budgii> Thanks :D
[19:13] <tyzoid> np
[19:17] <stiltzkin> Hello there - hoping someone here can help me. I've got a machine running Ubuntu Server (16.04.3 LTS) that consistently freezes up. Every 48 hours or so the system becomes completely unresponsive. Black screen on the console. Does not respond to ctrl+alt+bksp/ctrl+alt+fN and it also does not respond to REISUB. The only way I can recover is hard resetting the box. Can someone assist with determining why this is happening?
[19:18] <stiltzkin> the system is a RAID NAS and I really hate hard resetting it all the time, I'm sure it's terrible for the disks
[19:19] <TJ-> stiltzkin: have you checked the /var/log/kern.log for clues leading up to the freeze
[19:19] <stiltzkin> I have but there's nothing in there unusual
[19:20] <OerHeks> and  /var/log/kern.1.log
[19:20] <stiltzkin> I could reboot and check. Right now the server is frozen. I figured I'd leave it in this state before asking my question
[19:21] <TJ-> stiltzkin: does it respond to pings ?
[19:21] <OerHeks> journalctl -b -0 shows messages from the current boot, journalctl -b -1 from the previous boot
[19:21] <stiltzkin> @TJ-, no
[19:21] <stiltzkin> this system has IPMI and I can reach that, I believe
[19:21] <stiltzkin> but the system NIC, no, doesn't respond to pings
[19:21] <TJ-> stiltzkin: if so, see if it's got a log file
[19:23] <stiltzkin> doesn't seem to :(
[19:23] <TJ-> stiltzkin: how far back have you scanned the kern.log to find clues?
[19:24] <stiltzkin> like a single log file. Maybe not far enough back
[19:25] <TJ-> stiltzkin: sometimes the clues can be several hours back
[19:25] <stiltzkin> alright. I'm resetting
[19:25] <stiltzkin> Will have a look.
[19:26] <OerHeks> auth.log.1 ..
[19:26] <stiltzkin> yeah
[19:28] <joseph> can someone help me one on one with ubuntu 17
[19:29] <joseph> i guess not
[19:29] <Xlusive> what do you need
[19:32] <sabrehagen> I just got caught overwriting my /lib files with versions that caused my OS  to crash
[19:32] <sabrehagen> I downloaded an application that had /bin and /lib folders. I moved those folders from my ~/Downloads/application/{bin,lib} directory to /usr/local/
[19:33] <sabrehagen> However they overwrote libstdc++.so.6 and libssl.so, which caused my system to not be able to run any C++ code
[19:33] <sabrehagen> how can I integrate this application with my system without destroying my own system? Where should I place the contents of this application's /bin and /lib directories?
[19:34] <py_> hey
[19:35] <OerHeks> sabrehagen, get the sourcecode and build it right?
[19:36] <OerHeks> this is why snap packages are invented, to avoid such lib conflicts
[19:38] <sabrehagen> OerHeks: What if they don't provide the source?
[19:40] <akik> sabrehagen: you can use LD_LIBRARY_PATH to override the library load path
[19:40] <OerHeks> sabrehagen, maybe stating what package this is about, maybe there are others that fixed this before
[19:40] <OerHeks> wild guessing is not what you want for an answer
[19:41] <sabrehagen> akik: I learned of that env variable last night when trying to recover my system
[19:42] <sabrehagen> I guess I can add that to a script to invoke the application with that environment variable set?
[19:42] <sabrehagen> OerHeks: robo3t
[19:42] <akik> sabrehagen: or if you don't want that, there's an app that can change the paths inside binaries
[19:42] <akik> sabrehagen: patchelf i think it was
[19:43] <sabrehagen> akik: thanks :)
[19:43] <akik> sabrehagen: yes, scripts are just lists of commands, you can use it like that
[19:43] <stiltzkin> @TJ-, I had a look again at kern.log - I really cannot see anything unusual
[19:43] <stiltzkin> I can see the entire period between the last freeze and reboot and now
[19:44] <sabrehagen> TJ-: remember that issue I had with the symbol not being found? I fully set up a new system and ran into the same issue again. Had to set up from scratch AGAIN :/
[19:44] <sabrehagen> (see above :) )
[19:44] <stiltzkin> journalctl -b -1 shows: Specifying boot ID has no effect, no persistent journal was found
[19:45] <akik> stiltzkin: you can enable the persistent journal so that'll work
[19:45] <stiltzkin> I guess that means I should do this: https://askubuntu.com/a/858126
[19:45] <OerHeks> sabrehagen, interesting answer https://github.com/Studio3T/robomongo/issues/1392#issuecomment-322136733
[19:46] <OerHeks> stiltzkin, kern.log is current log, you want the previous one
[19:46] <stiltzkin> alright, done - but that's only going to help me on the next freeze
[19:46] <OerHeks>  /var/log/kern.1.log
[19:46] <stiltzkin> @OerHeks, from the dates inside I can see it's over the last few days
[19:46] <sabrehagen> akik: OerHeks: Hypothetical: Imagine I'm in the state I was where /usr/lib//libstdc++... has been overwritten with robo3t's version. How can I recover my system to the correct version of those files?
[19:47] <stiltzkin> kern.1.log goes back about a week
[19:47] <stiltzkin> kern.log.1 I mean
[19:47] <OerHeks> sabrehagen, see that url about making the backup folder
[19:48] <sabrehagen> OerHeks: I did - they're moving the file out of the application folder, not out of /usr/local/lib
[19:48] <sabrehagen> unless I'm not understanding properly
[19:49] <OerHeks> well, it seems to work, .. maybe you should ask your question on their forum, we didn't do that packaging, and looks ugly
[19:50] <sabrehagen> This question is the general case, not specific to robo3t
[19:51] <sabrehagen> If I have a third party libstdc++ that I have copied to /usr/local/lib and it has overwritten my OS's version, how do I restore the correct version?
[19:51] <TJ-> sabrehagen: thanks for the info, explains a lot! I'd suggest installing the application in a container
[19:51] <sabrehagen> TJ-: great idea :)
[19:51] <sabrehagen> will do
[19:51] <akik> sabrehagen: i don't know the correct solution, but maybe starting a container with the same version of system files that you're using, then copying the needed files from there
[19:52] <akik> sabrehagen: although that won't work if your libs are hosed :)
[19:53] <TJ-> sabrehagen: a more lightweight way to do it is install it in a chroot and run it inside the chroot where it see's it's files as the system files
[19:54] <zzo38> There is one problem with "man 7 undocumented"; they assume all programs are Debian, even though not all programs are Debian.
[19:55] <akik> sabrehagen: oh yea of course, you can boot a live session and copy the files from there to your installed os
[19:55] <akik> sabrehagen: although that is too a bit risky as the versions change
[19:56] <sabrehagen> appreciate the advice - thanks :)
[19:57] <akik> can you run apt-get upgrade in the live session?
[19:57] <stiltzkin> @OerHeks, @TJ- or anyone else - maybe this is helpful https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3JwfGhgnCp/
[19:58] <stiltzkin> this snippet contains two reboots, first at Feb 24 13:57:18, second at Feb 25 14:38:02
[19:58] <stiltzkin> I don't see anything unusual in between that would indicate the system is frozen
[19:58] <zzo38> Has this problem with the documentation been corrected?
[19:59] <zzo38> (Some programs are ones you may have installed without using the package manager, too, or that you have written yourself.)
[20:02] <TJ-> stiltzkin: the first thing I'd want to fix is "[    0.272096] mce: [Firmware Bug]: Ignoring request to disable invalid MCA bank 8." ... there may be false MCEs being triggered causing lock up
[20:02] <stiltzkin> @TJ-, what's that mean, unfamiliar with those terms
[20:03] <TJ-> stiltzkin: Machine Check Exception, a serious hardware issue. It looks like the MCE monitor config in firmware has a bug so I'd want to know precisely what the above message means
[20:04] <TJ-> stiltzkin: it's not unknown to see false/spurious MCEs so I'd want to rule that out
[20:04] <stiltzkin> okay
[20:04] <stiltzkin> thanks
[20:04] <RonaldsMazitis> my intel pentium d is using amd packages
[20:04] <RonaldsMazitis> is that normal?
[20:04] <TJ-> stiltzkin: also, it's an old kernel (vmlinuz-4.9.0-040900-generic) I'd want to switch to the latest HWE 4.13 kernel
[20:05] <RonaldsMazitis> sound is not working, so I think something is wrong about it
[20:05] <Boyette> maybe you have amd videochipset or other
[20:05] <TJ-> stiltzkin: and that kernel is a mainline build version, which are for testing only
[20:05] <algid> alo
[20:06] <algid> anyone know how to add volume control to secondary gnome panels?
[20:06] <TJ-> RonaldsMazitis: that's fine, 'amd64' is the architecture; Intel Pentium D is a 64-bit CPU
[20:06] <RonaldsMazitis> oh ok
[20:06] <stiltzkin> @TJ-, how'd I end up with that then? This is a pretty standard install
[20:06] <stiltzkin> haven't mucked around with custom kernels or anything
[20:06] <RonaldsMazitis> I just put in old ubuntu 14.04 disk, and sound is working, why 16.04 is not
[20:07] <TJ-> stiltzkin: also, you've got multiple "crashkernel=..." on the kernel command line; that should be sorted out (in /etc/default/grub )
[20:08] <ioria> stiltzkin, what's your kernel ?  uname -r
[20:08] <TJ-> !mainline | stiltzkin: that kernel came from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.9/
[20:08] <stiltzkin> crashkernel stuff is there since I enabled kdump
[20:08] <stiltzkin> in a vain hope that might help sort out this problem
[20:08] <TJ-> stiltzkin: right, but there ought to be only one entry; there seems to be 3
[20:08] <stiltzkin> oh. that's odd
[20:09] <stiltzkin> @ioria, 4.9.0-040900-generic
[20:09] <TJ-> hmmm, did ubottu go on strike?
[20:09] <ioria> stiltzkin, not ubuntu's
[20:09] <TJ-> ioria: yes, Ubuntus, but from the kernel team's PPA
[20:09] <TJ-> !mainline
[20:09] <stiltzkin> I'm really not sure why that would be, I don't remember installing a kernel from a ppa
[20:09] <ioria> stiltzkin, Tj- yeah, i know ... not official
[20:10] <stiltzkin> so should I switch to this:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[20:10] <TJ-> ioria: OK, I think of it as Ubuntu's although only for testing :)
[20:10] <stiltzkin> under the "server" section?
[20:10] <ioria> stiltzkin, you're on xenial ?
[20:10] <TJ-> !hwe
[20:11] <TJ-> stiltzkin: yes, "apt install linux-image-hwe-16.04" if you're on 16.04 xenial
[20:11] <ioria> stiltzkin,  cat /etc/issue
[20:12] <stiltzkin> @ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RH2DHrvcNG/
[20:12] <TJ-> stiltzkin: sorry, "apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04" if you're on 16.04 xenial
[20:12] <stiltzkin> oh. didn't see your message first but that should tell you the same thing
[20:12] <ioria> stiltzkin,  can you , please, paste  ls /boot
[20:13] <stiltzkin> yep https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YGmGvcbbBx/
[20:13] <ioria> stiltzkin,  you don't you boot on -116 kernel ?
[20:14] <stiltzkin> ?
[20:14] <ioria> stiltzkin,  that's the good one
[20:15] <stiltzkin> isn't 4.4.0 also old now
[20:15] <OerHeks> abi .. that is openVZ??
[20:15] <ioria> nope
[20:15] <TJ-> stiltzkin: 4.4 is the default kernel for 16.04, the hwe brings in the 17.10 kernel 4.13
[20:15] <stiltzkin> which am I better off with for this application
[20:16] <stiltzkin> I'm just looking for stability here
[20:16] <TJ-> stiltzkin: which often help to fix bugs and/or support newer hardware
[20:16] <stiltzkin> this is a fileserver
[20:16] <ioria> stiltzkin,  what app ?
[20:16] <stiltzkin> smb/nfs
[20:16] <TJ-> stiltzkin: I'd go for 4.13 HWE
[20:16] <stiltzkin> alright
[20:16] <ioria> stiltzkin,  it's a server ?
[20:16] <stiltzkin> yes
[20:17] <stiltzkin> home server
[20:17] <ioria> stiltzkin,  what was the issue with stock kernel  -116 ?
[20:17] <TJ-> stiltzkin: you'll get to move to v4.15 once ubuntu 18.04.1 is released
[20:17] <OerHeks> fileserver on a openVZ vm ?
[20:17] <stiltzkin> I don't think there was any issue with it. I just let the machine boot the default kernel and I guess it's not booting the -116 one for whatever reason
[20:17] <stiltzkin> this isn't a vm
[20:17] <stiltzkin> and never used openVZ
[20:18] <ioria> stiltzkin, 4.9 takes over in grub order
[20:18] <stiltzkin> if I install HWE will that get set as default or will I need to manually change grub
[20:18] <ioria> stiltzkin, you may want to know why you installed 4.9
[20:19]  * OerHeks wonders about the abi-kernels
[20:19] <TJ-> stiltzkin: most recent kernel version is set as default
[20:20] <stiltzkin> I am guessing I did not install 4.9 and it was automatically installed by some process in the past
[20:20] <sahyed> hey, how do i to join  #ubuntu-classroom ?
[20:20] <ioria> stiltzkin, come on
[20:21] <OerHeks> sahyed, !register, if you cannot join that channel
[20:21] <stiltzkin> I have no idea, really. I have tried to keep the base system on this server as clean as possible
[20:21] <OerHeks> !register
[20:21] <stiltzkin> at any rate, installing hwe
[20:21] <OerHeks> sahyed, " Cannot join #ubuntu-classroom (Channel is invite only)" seems like there is no class now?
[20:22] <TJ-> stiltzkin: could have installed 4.9 as far back as December 2016
[20:22] <sahyed> yeh
[20:22] <akik> sahyed: "As of 2014 the Ubuntu Classroom project is no longer active." https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[20:22] <sahyed> you must be invited to join blah blah blah
[20:22] <sahyed> oh , ok
[20:23] <akik> sahyed: first time i read about that
[20:23] <stiltzkin> it looks like HWE 4.13 was set as default. going to reboot
[20:25] <stiltzkin> yep. now running 4.13.0-36-generic
[20:28] <stiltzkin> @ioria, I'm guessing VirtualBox was the culprit https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jwPpsPVg2Z/
[20:30] <ioria> stiltzkin, not god in vms
[20:30] <ioria> *good
[20:30] <Sveta> 'why' is a nice aptitude feature, thanks for sharing
[20:30] <TJ-> stiltzkin: no, all linux-image-$VERSION has a Provides: line for several virtual packages
[20:31] <stiltzkin> ah well maybe not then. just a thought
[20:31] <TJ-> stiltzkin: e.g. for 4.13. "apt-cache show linux-image-$(uname -r) | grep Provides" => Provides: aufs-dkms, fuse-module, ivtv-modules, kvm-api-4, linux-image, redhat-cluster-modules, spl-dkms, spl-modules, virtualbox-guest-modules, zfs-dkms, zfs-modules
[20:32] <stiltzkin> @ioria, this is not a VM
[20:32] <stiltzkin> this is a physical server
[20:32] <ioria> stiltzkin, really
[20:34] <stiltzkin> well I have absolutely no idea about that MCE message. All I can find is the actual linux source code where that message is printed
[20:34] <ioria> stiltzkin, well, now you have hwe ... test and report if you have issues
[20:35] <stiltzkin> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/mcheck/mce.c#L1867
[20:35] <TJ-> stiltzkin: as long as there aren't spurious MCEs as a result, as the kernel message says, it's a firmware bug. Check for updated motherboard/system firmware
[20:35] <stiltzkin> I suppose I should do that
[20:35] <stiltzkin> the mb is only a few months old
[20:35] <stiltzkin> but I should check
[20:36] <ioria> stiltzkin, which is ?
[20:36] <TJ-> stiltzkin: newer mobo/firmware is more likely to have bugs :)
[20:36] <ioria> stiltzkin, sudo dmidecode -t 2
[20:36] <TJ-> stiltzkin: longer they're out, generally the less frequent the firmware updates required as bugs are found and fixed
[20:36] <stiltzkin> system board https://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C236_C232/X11SSH-F.cfm
[20:37] <pengwen_> Does anyone here have experience getting their webcam to work on an older macbook?
[20:37] <stiltzkin> and yeah that is true
[20:38] <Sveta> pengwen_, did you run into issues? what's your hardware? what are the symptoms?
[20:51] <pengwen_> Sveta, I have a 2006 Macbook.  I tried opening up cheese and no camera is recognized.  Here is the output of uname -a:
[20:51] <pengwen_> Linux mac-monsters 4.13.0-36-generic #40-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 16 20:06:51 UTC 2018 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[20:53] <OerHeks> pengwen_, what is the lspci output for that device?
[20:54] <stiltzkin> alright well I guess I'll run on HWE now and hope for the best. Will try to do a bios update later as well. Thanks for all your help @TJ- @ioria
[20:54] <OerHeks> maybe this isight page is any help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleiSight
[20:56] <OerHeks> !info isight-firmware-tools
[20:59] <pengwen_> OerHeks, I can't spot it in the list.  Is it ok to paste the full output of lspci here?
[20:59] <pengwen_> ubottu, I'll give that a try!  (installing now)
[21:00] <Sveta> pengwen_, it's a builtin camera? what does 'lspci -vmmnn' say? (please pastebin)
[21:01] <Simonious> Linux version 4.10.0-28-generic (buildd@lgw01-12) (gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Ubuntu 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.4) ) #32~16.04.2-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jul 20 10:19:48 UTC 2017 (Ubuntu 4.10.0-28.32~16.04.2-generic 4.10.17)  okay, I've just installed ubuntu, now I want java and video card drivers..  *pokes google*
[21:04] <pengwen_> Sveta, what's the correct way to redirect the output to a pastebin location?
[21:05] <CarlLew> pengwen_: ouput to file, copy content, pastebin.com?
[21:05] <pengwen_> ubottu, I tried installing isight-firmware-tools.  I had to download  a copy of USBVideoSupport.    I've only ever used pastebin once in the past.  I thought there was a clever trick to redirect your output from the command line and generating your own link from that
[21:10] <CarlLew> I wonder who'll be at the Freenode Bristol event this year
[21:10] <CarlLew> pengwen_: it sure is possible, https://pastebin.com/api
[21:12] <Simonious> sudo apt-get install default-jre seems to have gotten me my java
[21:13] <ioc_> pengwen_, already looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook ?
[21:14] <sere> is it possible to install ubuntu to sd card? i tried 2 different computers mininal and regular none of the installs see the card.. i can see it file manager though
[21:14] <TJ-> sere: sure, it's just another block device
[21:16] <pengwen_> ioc_, yeah, I have.  The only problem is this is a first generation 2006 macbook, and I think the wiki is quite dated at this point: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook1-1/Hardy
[21:19] <pengwen_> I need to follow these directions more carefully:
[21:19] <pengwen_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleiSight#firmwareskip
[21:19] <pengwen_> I'll be back shortly
[21:19] <akik> sere: can you use the sd card at all? maybe it's broken
[21:20] <akik> sere: try putting the card into a usb card reader
[21:20] <sere> akik: yea i can see it with this computer but when i boot from usb to install to sd card it doesnt show
[21:20] <TJ-> akik: if the file-systems on it can be seen using file manager I'd guess it may be a /dev/mmcblk0 device sere has, so not a /dev/sd*
[21:21] <TJ-> sere: when you boot the installer are you choosing "Try Ubuntu" session?
[21:21] <sere> TJ- yes
[21:22] <TJ-> sere: OK, and it has network connectivity - are you on it right now?
[21:22] <sere> TJ- no but i can boot up this or the othe computer to live
[21:23] <TJ-> sere: boot the live, use the "try ubuntu" session then "sudo apt install pastebinit" then show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk; lsblk )"
[21:24] <sere> TJ- since this computer saw the device i tried a emulated live install with qemu but nothing lol
[21:24] <sere> TJ- ok booting up now
[21:24] <TJ-> sere: you'd have to pass the device through into the qemu guest for it to be seen that way
[21:24] <pengwen_> Thanks everyone.  Webcam works like a champ
[21:24] <TJ-> pengwen_: Yay :)
[21:25] <sere> TJ- i installed it with -usb device as you would a usb stick.. i dunno if thats right
[21:26] <akik> heh. details matter
[21:26] <TJ-> sere: Let's see what the actual target hardware reports
[21:26] <pengwen_> Fingers crossed that the driver I downloaded from here (https://turanct.wordpress.com/tag/appleusbvideosupport/) doesn't have any viruses
[21:27] <OerHeks> wordpress and no virusses .. lucky you
[21:28] <sere> TJ- installing pastinit now
[21:29] <ioc_> search the file in the hfs+ and contribute the path for your macbook model to the wiki or the ubuntu mactel support team :)
[21:30] <ioc_> sudo chmod a+rw /dev/mmcblk0 ; kvm ... -drive file=/dev/mmcblk0,format=raw
[21:30] <sere> TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z7xdhMh9Ky/
[21:33] <TJ-> sere: is /dev/sdc1 the file-system on the sd-card? mounted at /media/ubuntu/3135-6230 ?
[21:33] <sere_> TJ- checking now
[21:34] <pengwen_> ioc_, they have the following line posted on the ubuntu.com website: First you need to get the firmware out of a particular file located on your OS X install (or find it online somewhere( Google "AppleUSBVideoSupport"). I will not link any here because of legal reasons).
[21:35] <TJ-> pengwen_: this may be related to why it didn't install by default Bug #409622
[21:35] <sere_> TJ- I can see the card in nautilus now which i couldnt before. im gonna see if the installer can see it now
[21:36] <TJ-> sere_: right; remember you /must/ unmount the file-system so the installer can access and over-write/reformat /dev/sdc
[21:37] <sere_> TJ- ok ill do that now.
[21:38] <TJ-> sere_: I recall at one time when using the live session the file manager would re-mount it continuously when the installer scanned it, so I ended up opening a Terminal and manually wiping it, with something like "sudo umount /dev/sdc1; sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=4M count=1; sudo kpartx -a"
[21:38] <sere_> TJ- ok thanks ill try that
[21:38] <TJ-> sere_: after that the device is 'empty' and there is no file-system to mount so the installer is OK
[21:39] <sere_> TJ- its empty now.. i just bought it
[21:39] <TJ-> sere no it isn't empty, it has a file-system on it. I mean no file-systems or partition table.
[21:40] <TJ-> sere_: And lastly, and /most importantly/ at the end of the installer questions there will be a question asking where to put the Boot loader. *ENSURE* it has /dev/sdc selected !
[21:40] <sere_> TJ- oh i see
[21:41] <sere_> TJ- i plan on doing a lvm with /boot ext2 and /home btrfs / btrfr
[21:42] <sere_> TJ- should i do the sdc1 /boot or just sdc
[21:42] <TJ-> sere_: /boot can be ext4 now (journalled) - GRUB is fine with that
[21:43] <sere_> TJ- oh ok cool.. ive been waiting :)
[21:43] <OerHeks> running ubuntu with lvm and btrfs on a sdcard ?
[21:43] <TJ-> sere_: in the manual partitioner presumably you'll create all the partitions, so you'll set /boot to dev/sdc1 or something, but the boot loader device asked for at the end is the raw device, not a partition, /dev/sdc NOT /dev/sdc1
[21:43] <ioc_> grub is also fine with btrfs. why not one big btrfs with a subvolume for /  and one for /home? that would allow for reverting kernel updates
[21:43] <TJ-> ^^^^ also
[21:44] <sere_> TJ- ok will do thanks
[21:45] <sere_> TJ- i just formated the drive and starting the installer
[21:48] <sere_> TJ- i love you thanks :)
[21:49] <sere_> TJ- im going to boot to minimal now and see if that can see it thanks again
[21:49] <pengwen_> always a good idea to kill any HDD or flash drive when you buy it from a store or online
[21:51] <OerHeks> "kill" ??
[21:52] <OerHeks> that would result in a RMA
[21:52] <OerHeks> if you mean formatting, including mbr, yes
[21:52] <TJ-> "wipe" :)
[21:52] <gordonjcp> that gets overwritten when you install anyway
[21:53] <sere> > TJ- oh i see
[21:53] <sere> 15:41 < sere_> TJ- i plan on doing a lvm with /boot ext2 and /home btrfs / btrfr
[21:56] <sere> oops
[22:00] <pengwen_> anyone know why the newer installers don't automatically include a partition for swap?
[22:00] <pengwen_> back in the day, it was suggested that you always have a separate partition for swap, and that it should at least be as big as how much RAM you have
[22:00] <TJ-> pengwen_: I believe they're switched to a swap file rather than partition
[22:01] <gordonjcp> pengwen_: *twice as big as RAM
[22:01] <TJ-> pengwen_: as systems have gained greater RAM capacities it makes more sense to be a file so as not to waste space
[22:01] <gordonjcp> pengwen_: these days we have an infinite amount of RAM in even the smallest machines
[22:02] <gordonjcp> modern PCs have hundreds or even thousands of megabytes of RAM
[22:02] <jyc> :P
[22:02] <gordonjcp> an extremely high-end machine with maybe as much as 64MB of RAM definitely won't need swap
[22:02] <pengwen_> gordonjcp, I think you mean 64Gb of RAM
[22:03] <gordonjcp> pengwen_: 64MB
[22:03] <gordonjcp> mega- not giga-
[22:03] <gordonjcp> pengwen_: working on the basis that if you're still using swap, you're from 1998
[22:04] <Guest22736> Hi
[22:04] <pengwen_> I think the raspberry pis ship with 1Gb of RAM.  You can easily fill that up if you're running a memory hog like firefox + youtube
[22:04] <gordonjcp> pengwen_: but swap won't help you there
[22:05] <gordonjcp> swap is an outmoded concept
[22:05] <AmericanBlend> why?
[22:05] <AmericanBlend> i think you're trolling
[22:05] <AmericanBlend> and have no idea what you're talking about
[22:06] <gordonjcp> AmericanBlend: because you'd need an enormous amount of disk space, and you'd spend forever waiting for stuff to get shuttled back and forwards from disk
[22:06] <gordonjcp> AmericanBlend: and because RAM is cheap
[22:06] <AmericanBlend> if you don't need swap it's great
[22:06] <AmericanBlend> but what if you have a laptop you want to hibernate?
[22:06] <gordonjcp> AmericanBlend: I'm sitting working on a crappy 5-year-old Core I7 that I picked out of the bins at work, with 64GB of RAM
[22:06] <OerHeks> ubuntu uses swapfile now
[22:07] <gordonjcp> I'm about to slap another 64GB in because it's pennies
[22:07] <gordonjcp> AmericanBlend: suspend to disk
[22:07] <gordonjcp> AmericanBlend: it just creates a suspend file
[22:07] <AmericanBlend> ah, whatever man
[22:07] <gordonjcp> AmericanBlend: why bother, though?
[22:07] <AmericanBlend> i need swap.
[22:07] <gordonjcp> just boot it up
[22:07] <AmericanBlend> and i was born in 1986.
[22:07] <gordonjcp> suspend/hibernate is obsolete too
[22:07] <pengwen_> I'm running a 12 year old computer that tops off at 2Gb of RAM
[22:08] <gordonjcp> because SSDs are a thing now, a very cheap mass-market thing at that
[22:08] <pengwen_> why is suspend/hibernate obsolete?  What is supposed to happen to a laptop when you shut the lid?
[22:08] <AmericanBlend> from what kernel people i know say linux can't manage memory properly without having swap
[22:09] <ioc_> how does swapfile lead to redured disk usage, assuming it's preallocated (not a sparse file, would have horrible performance) and not dynmically allocated as in swapd?
[22:09] <pengwen_> AmericanBlend, apparently they have moved to a swap file in place of a swap partition
[22:09] <AmericanBlend> swapfile is convinient
[22:10] <AmericanBlend> almost like on windows hehe
[22:10] <pengwen_> the thing is, reduced disk usage shouldn't be a problem either.  If RAM has become cheap, the same argument could be applied to HDD or SSD storage
[22:10] <gordonjcp> pengwen_: true
[22:10] <AmericanBlend> if only it was dynamic in size
[22:11] <user01> hi i need help using flowblade application . . . is there a channel for this?
[22:11] <nordmeister> can someone help me with this situation? https://pastebin.com/nyVErZ6c
[22:11] <pengwen_> I've just been in the habit of always making a swap partition for my computers.  I used the automatic "wipe everything" option for the last install and it didn't make a swap partition, which is why I originally asked
[22:12] <bk_> Anyone know how to disable snap installs on ubuntu?
[22:12] <pengwen_> uh, i don't think this is the right forum for gf advice, nordmeister
[22:13] <gordonjcp> pengwen_: a large part of the problem is that Linux, being informed by a Unix-like structure, is pretty ropey
[22:13] <gordonjcp> pengwen_: there's a lot of stuff in Linux and indeed every other Unix-y OS that made sense 30 years ago but isn't so clever now
[22:13] <bk_> Applications installed through snap are having permission issues. Can't write to external hard drives because "permission error".
[22:13] <user01> nordmeister,  have her try installing the most recent ubuntu lts for a more stable relationship
[22:13] <gordonjcp> pengwen_: unfortunately the concept of Unix is a bit like the concept of the petrol engine
[22:14] <gordonjcp> pengwen_: it sucks, but everything else we've tried sucks worse in some important way
[22:14] <OerHeks> user01, no flowblade channel on #freenode.. google+ group https://github.com/jliljebl/flowblade#forum-webpage-and-contact
[22:14] <pengwen_> gordonjcp, yeah, very true.  One big paradigm shift that OS (and hardware) people need to figure out is the instant access to disk space on SDD vs. the older way of accessing data on HDD
[22:14] <user01> OerHeks, ok thanks
[22:14] <bk_> The mount point, and the directories are owned by me. I  can write using other applications, but not the ones I installed through snap.
[22:14] <akik> pengwen_: ubuntu 17.04 started creating a swap file
[22:15] <gordonjcp> pengwen_: an SSD is the best 80 quid you're going to spend on upgrading an old PC
[22:15] <pengwen_> it used to be the case that your code would run faster if everything is written sequentially, because the seek commands chewed up too much time.  on SDD drives I understand that's not the case anymore (someone correct me if I am mistaken)
[22:16] <pengwen_> akik, thank you.  Next time I install something 17+ i'll forgo the swap partition
[22:16] <gordonjcp> pengwen_: maybe one day with SSDs interfaced directly via PCIe we'll just treat it as though our PCs have many many GB of RAM, some of it a little slower than others
[22:16] <sere> is it possible to boot regular ubuntu off a sd card from a andriod device
[22:16] <pengwen_> sere, still no luck?
[22:17] <pengwen_> sere, you're trying to boot ubuntu on an android device?
[22:17] <sere> pengwen_: yea its working :) i just finished the install
[22:17] <OerHeks> on or from ..? both won't work i guess
[22:17] <akik> sere: probably not
[22:17] <pengwen_> gordonjcp, what i find fascinating is the parallel computing paradigm shift
[22:18] <sere> pengwen_: no just an idea
[22:18] <OerHeks> maybe with a pxe server on android :-D
[22:18] <pengwen_> gordonjcp, I've been writing some MPI code for some problems I know how to (in principle) parallelize.  it's very difficult
[22:18] <sere> ohhh
[22:19] <ioc_> sere, I'm not sure about ubuntu, but there are guides on google to run debian on android
[22:19] <akik> sere: some android devices have a x86 processor but their boot loaders are locked and it's a different beast altogether
[22:20] <sere> ioc_: ok i will look into that ty
[22:20] <ioc_> basically you'd boot android and chroot somehow into the gnu/linux distro
[22:20] <sere> akik: i thought about just putting this stick in and trying
[22:21] <akik> sere: it doesn't hurt but don't put your hopes too high :)
[22:21] <dreamcat4> perhaps you are better off getting an xrdp client for android, and logging in to a proper linux machine
[22:21] <pavlos> I read that gparted can resize lvm2 but it does not work for me. I boot gparted-0.30 live, select the volume and deactivate, click on resize but it does not do it. What am I missing ?
[22:21] <sere> akik: haha yea i figured
[22:22] <sere> akik: i want to get a nexus just to play with
[22:23] <akik> sere: for nexus 5 there is something called maru os
[22:23] <akik> sere: https://www.maruos.com/
[22:23] <sere> akik: ok cool i will check it out ty
[22:23] <ioc_> pavlos, "apply" must be clicked for the changes listed at the bottom to be performed
[22:24] <madLyfe> how can i get opencl 2.0 on my ubuntu server? im pretty sure i have 1.2 installed.
[22:24] <Elysium3301> Lol if you wanna run Android the good way, use LineageOS. @akik
[22:24] <Elysium3301> If you wanna use your phone the good way, use Ubuntu Touch :)
[22:25] <akik> Elysium3301: not sure if you know what that maru os is. btw. canonical stopped ubuntu touch development
[22:25] <pavlos> ioc_: I select the volume (which has a lock), deactivate, the lock goes away. Select the volume, resize/move, it wont let me do so.
[22:27] <sere> akik: that looks pretty cool anything like that for the galaxy s7?
[22:27] <Elysium3301> Ah now I see what MaruOS is. Pretty cool idea.
[22:28] <Elysium3301> And Ubuntu Touch is now maintained by UBPorts, and Canonical supports UBPorts.
[22:31] <sorinescu> Furefox had a problem and crashed in ftp://ftp.mate-desktop.org
[22:31] <ioc_> sere, also termux is interesting, it's an app does not need root and gives access to apt
[22:32] <sere> ioc_: on driod?
[22:33] <gordonjcp> pengwen_: with the availability of cheap ubiquitous ARM SoCs I wonder if we'll see a resurgence in transputer-like architecture
[22:33] <sorinescu> raspberry pi3
[22:33] <ioc_> sere, yep
[22:34] <sere> ioc_: i just installed it thanks :)
[22:37] <MarceeZ> Hello everyone! I have problems with updating firefox to firefox quantum into ubuntu 12.04
[22:37] <MarceeZ> I uninstalled firefox and opened newone and it shows old version
[22:40] <OerHeks> 12.04 is old, out of support, EOL
[22:41] <sorinescu> I have problems with updating Firefox to ubuntu mate in raspberry pi 3b
[22:45] <OerHeks> seems to be a known issue, https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/firefox-55-0-2-doesnt-start-crashes-on-ubuntu-mate-raspberrypi-3/14637
[23:02] <PinealGlandOptic> hi all. I like htop, but it shows all processes. I want to run some script, see 3-5 most busy processes and ability to kill a process manually. what to do?
[23:05] <vlt> PinealGlandOptic: `top` has an "-n" option. And there’s `ps`, of course. Maybe that helps.
[23:06] <PinealGlandOptic> vlt: thanks for the idea
[23:11] <TJ-> PinealGlandOptic: " ps --no-headers -eo %cpu,pid | sort -n | tail -n 5 "
[23:16] <thegiuy> As I say, Ubuntu and any other linux is for people who want to fiddle with their computers constantly.
[23:16] <thegiuy> I want to use my computer for other tasks, not constantly fiddle with it.  For a week, I went through this and that and the other trying to get sound to work.  No dice.
[23:17] <thegiuy> Now I finally received the new laptop - Windows 10.  Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty I'm free at last from the world of cheeto eaters
[23:17] <Ben64> nobody cares
[23:17] <N3X15> that's nice dear
[23:17] <Auctus> i just got a laptop with an SSD and installed 16.04, do i need to do any stuff to configure ubuntu for using an ssd (to prolong life) or is it all pretty good by default?
[23:18] <thegiuy> One guy did help me.  Everyone said he was the big time expert.  He helped.
[23:18] <pengwen_> don't get it wet
[23:18] <Ben64> Auctus: good by default, maybe not have swap on the ssd if you worry about writes
[23:18] <N3X15> pengwen_, what about my immersion-cooled server?
[23:19] <pengwen_> N3X15, hmmm, yeah, that's right.  Do those not use oil though?
[23:19] <thegiuy> You cheeto eaters have fun fiddling with your computers.  I am going to use mine, running under Windows, a proper operating system.
[23:19] <pengwen_> lol - laterz
[23:19] <N3X15> pengwen_, transformer-grade mineral oil, I knew a guy who built one
[23:19] <Ben64> what a dork
[23:19] <N3X15> dorks a cool, they got us to the moon
[23:20] <TJ-> Ben64: I can understand; the issue was really bad and inexplicable
[23:20] <Ben64> no those were nerds
[23:20] <pengwen_> N3X15, I haven't seen on myself, but I heard from someone who watched a computer get dunked in an oil bath.  Kind of freaky, but really cool
[23:20] <Ben64> TJ-: so you come into a chat and be rude? doesn't really make sense
[23:21] <TJ-> Ben64: extreme frustration causes people to do all sorts of things
[23:21] <TJ-> If it'd been me I'd have literally smashed the laptop up with a sledgehammer
[23:21] <pengwen_> why did thegiuy feel compelled to come on here and proselytize the wonders of windoze?
[23:22] <ioc_> send an email protest to your hw vendor not supporting the 3rd most used perating system in the world
[23:23] <pengwen_> somewhere a "new" laptop showed up
[23:23] <TJ-> pengwen_: he spent 2 weeks + trying to fix the sound which had the weirdest behaviour imaginable; it only worked on speakers if he right-clicked and held down the mouse button near the sound icon in the taskbar - and then only sometimes
[23:23] <pengwen_> TJ-, ah, i see.  yes.  that would be frustrating
[23:24] <PinealGlandOptic> TJ-: thanks!
[23:24] <TJ-> pengwen_: but it worked fine when running the installer :)
[23:24] <pengwen_> TJ-, livecd was alright, but after installing the OS, then weird stuff happened?
[23:25] <TJ-> pengwen_: yes, I spent 3 days on it with him, and it's the first time I've believed in 'ghosts in the machine'
[23:25] <pengwen_> TJ-, oh man.  that sounds unreal
[23:25] <pengwen_> that was nice of you to work with him, TJ-
[23:27] <pengwen_> what kind of laptop did he have?
[23:27] <pengwen_> sound is something i would not expect to be a problem
[23:27] <TJ-> I suspect it was caused by incorrect pin-control for the headphone's speaker cut-off switch, since sound was in headphones but not on speakers ... something about the right-click around the sound icon somehow triggered it to switch ports
[23:28] <pengwen_> yeah, maybe SD card readers, or perhaps your one off wireless card (which you need a hard wired connection to download some proprietary stuff from Broadcom ...)
[23:28] <pengwen_> something slip past quality control on the assembly line?
[23:28] <pengwen_> i mean, he could always try reinstalling windows back on the original laptop and see what happens
[23:29] <pengwen_> (assuming they shipped his computer with a disk)
[23:29] <N3X15> He did, apparently