 How are you guys?
[07:15] <ducasse> morning, lordievader - all good here, thanks. got your morning coffee yet? :)
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:16] <lordievader> Not yet. Colleague hasn't arrived yet.
[07:19] <ducasse> morning, lotuspsychje
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> adding usbcore.autosuspend=-1 to grub didnt help grr
[09:14] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: What are you trying to do?
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1749237
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> whatever i try, i cant get that hd to popup on desktop
[09:17] <lordievader> Is autosuspend disabled by default on 18.04?
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> not sure didnt check that actually
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> oh i did
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> i tryed 18.04 on the problem machine live
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> no dice
[09:18] <lordievader> So it seems a problem with the machine, rather than the software.
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> yeah tryed messing with bios, but no luck there either
[09:19] <lordievader> You should add that to the bug report.
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> ill do
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> the wird thing lordievader is when i branch the hd in usb before boot it works like a charm
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> but i cant deliver it that way to a customer right?
[09:21] <lordievader> "branch the hd" what do you mean with that?
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> i want it plug n play
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: aka: connected usb cable to the 3.0 port before boot
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> then its recognized
[09:21] <lordievader> What does udev say about it when you plug it in?
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> whats the command
[09:22] <lordievader> `sudo udevadm monitor --environment --udev`
[09:26] <lotus-seagate> lordievader: https://hastebin.com/rozebehasu.makefile
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> this is after the usb connected boot
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> then it keeps working
[09:28] <lordievader> Right, I was more interested in the case where it doesn't work 😋
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> ok lemme reboot holdon
[09:29] <jink> :o
[09:29] <jink> What is this, Windows? :P
[09:31] <lotus-seagate_> lordievader: https://hastebin.com/ififekurag.makefile
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> doesnt get recognized now
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> jink: comodore 64 :p
[09:36] <lordievader> Udev sees it just fine, also gives it a usb-storage driver.
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> its a medion akoya...
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> seagate works just fine on my netbook
[09:40] <lordievader> Does `dmesg` show anything if it fails to detect?
[09:40] <lordievader> when it fails to detect*
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> no
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> no new lines on plug
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> i could try this machine on w10 perhaps
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> see what it does
[09:43] <lordievader> No usb things either?
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> nop
[09:43] <lordievader> Plugging a usb stick in gives some usb info here.
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> yeah normal usb stick gets detected
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> with dmesg or syslog
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> but not that seagate
[09:45] <lordievader> Is it already time to either blame Seagate or Medion? </sarcasm>
[09:45] <jink> lotuspsychje: Nice. :D
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: seagate not, as it works on my netbook fine
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> medion usb port, could be yes
[09:47] <lordievader> No, Seagate still make shitty drives.
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> tested other brand of usb 3.0 didnt work either
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:59] <oerheks> heya BluesKaj :-)
[11:59] <BluesKaj> hey oerheks :-)
[12:08] <oerheks> 0' C and sunny day, doggies love it
[12:40] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj oerheks
[12:40] <lordievader> How are you guys doing?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader, fine here, and you?
[12:42] <lordievader> I'm doing good :)
[16:15] <nacc> hey look at that Xen is gone
[16:15] <nacc> (not the package, the user on ubuntu-devel-discuss)
[16:21] <BluesKaj> not in that chat , what about him/her
[16:21] <nacc> let me find the archive
[16:22] <nacc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2018-February/017909.html
[16:22] <nacc> IMO, (and only my own), a troll who seeks to annoy developers
[16:22] <nacc> I have no idea if they have contributed anything to ubuntu ever, tbh
[16:25] <oerheks> "with the treatment you generally get on IRC." ..
[16:25] <nacc> yeah i was starting to wonder if they were someone in here, periodically, but honestly, their attitude as always been terrible, and the folks here are good :)
[16:26] <oerheks> well, 1st line of support, you need an elephant-skin
[16:27] <nacc> especially if you are volunteering :)
[16:27] <nacc> feels weird to complain about it, imo
[16:28] <oerheks> maybe he/she is a little burned-up, too much, too long on irc?
[16:28] <oerheks> seen that before, i try to answer 3 Q a day...
[16:37] <nacc> oerheks: if you can earch the archive, just read their old e-mails
[16:37] <nacc> essays, not emails
[16:37] <nacc> that just ramble and annoy :)
[16:49] <leftyfb> hm
[16:49] <leftyfb> now I'm curious who that was
[16:49] <nacc> leftyfb: me too
[16:49] <leftyfb> "I was recently spending a lot of time helping out in Ubuntu support"
[16:50] <leftyfb> there was someone a while back complaining about not helping out anymore for some silly reason
[17:10] <oerheks> leftyfb, yeah, i am looking through logs, but no 'xen'
[17:10] <leftyfb> yeah, that wasn't the name .. I know that much. I looked through my logs briefly and couldn't find anything. I might spend more time later if I care enough :)
[17:11] <nicomachus> daftykins: you asked about my 5x at some point recently. I don't have it, I traded it in to Project Fi when I got my Moto x4
[17:12] <nicomachus> daftykins: I haven't gotten a February update on my x4 yet either. Just got January at the end oft he month.
[18:34] <TJ-> nacc: leftyfb: Xen's IRC nick was xenar. From his web-site I'd suspect he's suffering some medical problems that influence the behaviour
[18:36] <nacc> TJ-: i see
[20:47] <daftykins> nicomachus: ah no worries, i got it yesterday here on 8.1
[21:01] <oerheks> anyone seeing gopal lately??
[21:14] <TJ-> what's the factoid for pointing to the basic help resources?
[21:14] <nicomachus> TJ-: I think !patience has them
[21:14] <Bashing-om> Maybe !manual - TJ- ?
[21:15] <nicomachus> daftykins: do you use tasker?
[21:16] <oerheks> !manual perhaps?
[21:16] <TJ-> aha!
[21:17] <TJ-> !manual > TJ-
[21:17] <TJ-> !manual > TJ-
[21:18] <TJ-> weird, tries to talk to me then stops talking :D
 The Ubuntu Manual will help you become familiar with everyday tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and scanning documents. With an emphasis on easy to follow instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience. http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[21:18] <nicomachus> !manual > TJ-
[21:19] <hggdh> you can also /msg ubot5 !manual
[21:19] <TJ-> Weird, that worked nicomachus :D
[21:19] <TJ-> hggdh: yes, I did, and was ignored :D
[21:19] <nicomachus> TJ-: I wonder if using your own name confuses it? not sure how
[21:19] <hggdh> heh
[21:19] <hggdh> too many requests clustered, perhaps
[21:19] <nicomachus> meh, that would probably be hard.
[21:20] <TJ-> nicomachus: yes, I wondered that but it tried to send me a message first time I issued the command but as I have +g I had to /query ubot5 first to open a privmsg channel, then it wouldn't talk to me
[21:40] <oerheks> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/ubuntu-18-04-minimal-install-option
[21:42] <TJ-> hahaha, that's hardly a 'minimal install' and is now going to confuse users with package 'ubuntu-minimal' or the mini ISO installers
[21:56] <oerheks> yeah, i think it gives more than with --no-install-recommends
[22:13] <Bashing-om> !phased-updates
[22:16] <oerheks> !does-updates-harm-my-install-and-can-i-get-my-money-back ?
[22:16] <oerheks> oh sorry


 First I told an Italian guy to go to the Spanish channel, now I just pointed someone who speaks Russian to go I don't even know what that language was channel.
[18:53] <tomreyn> hehe, that's happened to all of us
[19:00] <oerheks> yes!
[19:01] <arraybolt3> Looked it up, I sent him to the Serbian channel on accident.
[19:01] <arraybolt3> :facepalm:
[23:45] <hiya> What do you think of this post? https://nixsanctuary.com/the-definitive-guide-to-choose-ubuntu-or-debian-as-your-next-gnu-linux-distribution/


[01:38] <timClicks> hpidcock: hey I might get your advice on some go codegen stuff if you have a minute?
[01:38] <hpidcock> sure, want to HO?
[01:38] <timClicks> cool
[01:39] <timClicks> the file I'm looking at is https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/a5ab92ec9b7f5da3678d9ac603fe52d45af24412/provider/vsphere/internal/vsphereclient/ovf_ubuntu.go
[01:39] <timClicks> I'm concerned that we're hard coding xenial in there
[01:39] <timClicks> it's built from https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/a5ab92ec9b7f5da3678d9ac603fe52d45af24412/provider/vsphere/internal/vsphereclient/ubuntu.ovf
[04:16] <timClicks> hpidcock: the VM we're trying to create has the same MAC address as the tmp VM that creates it "
[04:16] <timClicks>     The static MAC address (00:50:56:04:71:0c) of juju-4e9d86-0 conflicts with MAC assigned to juju-4e9d86-0.tmp
[04:16] <timClicks> "
[04:17] <hpidcock> Is that just a side affect of not deleting the tmp vm?
[04:18] <timClicks> trying to figure that out
[04:19] <hpidcock> Ideally the provider should: "Download the OVA", "Upload the OVA to the datastore", "Create a VM from the OVA", "Update tuneables like mem/cpu", "Extend vmdk", "Start"
[04:21] <hpidcock> possibly the reason it mutates the ovf before creating the vm, is that vsphere might have some bin-packing algorithm maybe to find a suitable esxi host
[04:26] <timClicks> I think the VM cloning operation also clones the MAC address as it's been provided in "hardcoded" form by Juju
[14:04] <manadart> hml: That WiP: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10442. Still a few packages to get green; diff will be > 100 files I think.
[14:06] <hml> manadart: ta


[04:18] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:18] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:19] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:20] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:20] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:20] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:21] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:21] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:21] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:21] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:21] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:21] <Pigchampion> if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:21] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:21] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:21] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:21] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:21] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:21] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:21] <Pigchampion> 	if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:21] <Pigchampion> if i install ubuntu along side windows will it delete all my stuff or will ubuntu be able to find all my stuff,im going to be using the wubi installer
[04:21] <Unit193> !repeat | Pigchampion
[04:21] <ubot2> Pigchampion: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/
[04:23] <Unit193> Wubi isn't supposed to delete your files, and I'd think you should be able to access them from Ubuntu but as I have never used a wubi install, I don't know for sure.
[04:24] <Pigchampion> that was totally my pc,it freezes and does that,lol exact reason im installing ubuntu
[04:24] <holstein> from the wubi i had, the windows area showed like a partition to mount
[04:25] <Pigchampion> yeah,im starting a studio and have alot of stuff on this pc and just want to make sure ubuntu isnt gonna delete it
[04:25] <holstein> Pigchampion: you need to back up.. ubuntu isnt going to, but you might.. and that hard drive *will* fail.. they all do
[04:26] <Pigchampion> yeah,but as of right now if i install it ,i wont lose all my files
[04:26] <holstein> Pigchampion: i wont guarantee that
[04:27] <holstein> Pigchampion: installing ubuntu likely wont ever cause that, but you could have failing hardware
[04:27] <Pigchampion> even usuing the wubi installer
[04:27] <holstein> Pigchampion: if that is the only copy of the data you have, its a matter of time til you *do* lose it
[04:28] <holstein> it literally wont hurt to go ahead and backup your data to an external hard drive or a web service using a live CD if the current OS is bad
[04:28] <Pigchampion> yeah i have a 500gb somewhere
[04:28] <holstein> then, i can guarantee you that if you happen to break anything by doing an install, you can recover your data from the backup
[14:21] <raub> What is in /run?
[14:21] <raub> I've heard of /var/run but not /run
[20:16] <User463587> (Reading database ... 95% (Reading database ... 100% (Reading database ... 455996 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking libdigidoc (from .../libdigidoc_<IP_ADDRESS>7-ubuntu-12-04_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libdigidoc_<IP_ADDRESS>7-ubuntu-12-04_i386.deb (--unpack):  trying to overwrite '/etc/digidoc.conf', which is also in package libdigidoc-common 2.7.0-0ubuntu4 No apport report
[20:17] <User463587>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libdigidoc_<IP_ADDRESS>7-ubuntu-12-04_i386.deb  /var/cache/apt/archives/libdigidocpp_<IP_ADDRESS>1-ubuntu-12-04_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:22] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/195950/package-system-broken-e-sub-process-usr-bin-dpkg-returned-an-error-code-1 is relevant
[20:22] <holstein> !paste | User463587
[20:22] <ubot2> User463587: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[20:23] <holstein> then i can see exactly what is going on
[20:23] <holstein> User463587: go ahead and run sudo apt-get udpate and give the error messages too
[20:31] <User463587> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1283843/
[20:32] <User463587> sudo upt has dif language
[20:32] <particledust> hi
[20:33] <particledust> anyone?
[20:33] <holstein> i would try to get rid of libdigidoc User463587 and try and see if you can get a clean sudo apt-get update
[20:33] <holstein> User463587: you have any PPA's added?
[20:34] <holstein> particledust: check the OT channel for chat
[20:36] <User463587> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:esteid/ppa
[20:36] <holstein> User463587: i would consider removing that PPA if you think it is breaking your system
[20:37] <User463587> got something with clean Fetched 2 097 kB in 13s (158 kB/s)
[20:37] <User463587> how to remove
[20:38] <holstein> User463587: you'll need to elaborate
[20:39] <User463587> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1283866/
[20:41] <holstein> the libdigidoc files there are the ones i would try and purge
[20:41] <User463587> how-to
[20:41] <holstein> User463587: i would purge those... maybe purge that ppa... and try and get a clean sudo apt-get update
[20:42] <holstein> then, look for another method thats more approriate for installing what you are tying to install


[12:58] <Keiffer> Hello. Here you can take ubuntu classes?
[18:51] <apoleo12> ok, what is this channel about? ;)
[18:52] <joaopinto> for learning  about different subjects, check the topic for the next event
[19:38] <Keiffer> Hi. How can I tar my whole system, but not the NTFS partition I wil save the tar file, too?
[19:38] <nhandler> Keiffer: Try #ubuntu for support


[03:08] <klu3> Can someone help me? I keep getting error and I don't know what's causing it.  My question is where do I find error problems in the System Log Viewer? https://ibb.co/7QWqVs3
[18:05] <robilive> Hi buddies! I'm not sure this is the right channel where to ask, but I'll try... On Ubuntu mate I'm trying to install pluma's extra plugin with no results, some problems about the path and I'm running out of ideas... Any guide to follow or any advice? Thanks in advance!