[00:11] <Dillizar> will gnome programs work on xubuntu
[00:11] <charlie-tca> yes
[00:12] <Dillizar> bot not themes
[00:12] <charlie-tca> although they may add dependencies
[00:12] <charlie-tca> Themes will too
[00:12] <Dillizar> wow
[00:12] <charlie-tca> for the most part
[00:12] <Dillizar> hmm
[00:12] <charlie-tca> !themes
[00:12] <Dillizar> i can put kde AND gnome
[00:12] <charlie-tca> not the www.gnome.org
[00:12] <charlie-tca> not=note
[00:13] <Dillizar> wow now i have 3 OS to choose from LCARS 24 LXDE or xfce
[00:14] <Dillizar> lxde its off cuz it looks like kde and i dont like it
[00:14] <Dillizar> but never the less LCARS is hmmm ^^
[00:15] <Dillizar> !usb
[00:17] <Dillizar> damn its so hard
[00:19]  * charlie-tca thinks only hard the first 10-20 times
[00:20] <Dillizar> yeah
[00:20] <Dillizar> but
[00:20] <Dillizar> look at this
[00:20] <Dillizar> http://lxde.org/download
[00:21] <Dillizar> why they dont do this with xubuntu too
[00:22] <charlie-tca> Look at the sizes they have. We have to stay up with Ubuntu, since we use the same installers and repositories
[00:23] <Dillizar> wait
[00:23] <charlie-tca> When borrowing from elsewhere, you can't always just change it.
[00:23] <Dillizar> does 9.04 comes out the same time with ubuntu
[00:24] <charlie-tca> yes, April 23.
[00:24] <Dillizar> charlie-tca so a 700mb iso to make it a a usb i will need how big usb??
[00:24] <charlie-tca> 700mb, I think
[00:25] <charlie-tca> I don't know for sure. I don't do that
[00:25] <Dillizar> if i install lxde
[00:25] <charlie-tca> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/ubuntu-from-your-flash-drive-easier-than-ever-before/
[00:25] <charlie-tca> Take a look at that
[00:26] <Dillizar> and then install xfce will i have xubuntu??\
[00:26] <Dillizar> no
[00:26] <charlie-tca> no, xubuntu is not lxde, it is ubuntu with xfce instead of gnome
[00:27] <knome> Dillizar, you could think that xfce is part of xubuntu
[00:28] <Dillizar> yeah
[00:28] <Dillizar> but lxde its ubuntu with lxde right
[00:28] <Dillizar> or just debian \
[00:28] <charlie-tca> lscd is not ubuntu, it is debian
[00:28] <Dillizar> not ubuntu
[00:28] <charlie-tca> That is not the same, although it uses some of the same stuff
[00:28] <Dillizar> is there #xubuntu+1
[00:29] <Dillizar> nope :)
[00:29] <charlie-tca> no, all of +1 is ubuntu: #ubuntu+1 handles ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu
[00:29] <charlie-tca> but not lxde
[00:30] <Dillizar> so i need  usb-creator and a xubuntu :)
[00:30] <charlie-tca> you need whatever xubuntu blog said.
[00:30] <charlie-tca> He is a xubuntu user
[00:31] <Dillizar> sounds scary
[00:31] <charlie-tca> you don't have a cd drive?
[00:31] <Dillizar> well i have but it doesnt work that good
[00:32] <Dillizar> but
[00:32] <charlie-tca> All the images are good today
[00:32] <Dillizar> i want to make with me PC (ubuntu)
[00:32] <Dillizar> for my laptop
[00:45] <Dillizar> charlie-tca thanks a lot man for the info i will be installing xubuntu 9.04 first thing in the morning
[00:45] <charlie-tca> Great. You are welcome
[00:46] <charlie-tca> Good luck, and yes, we discuss 9.04 here too
[00:46] <charlie-tca> I am running it, and so are several others
[00:47] <Dillizar> they say its damn fast
[00:47] <Dillizar> :)
[00:47] <charlie-tca> It is fast, and works smooth. Ext4 file system still has issues though
[02:06] <rocko> is dellos really the most secure os in da world ?
[02:06] <rocko> why you guys use xubuntu?
[02:06] <rocko> dellos is where it is at
[02:06] <rocko> with dellirc
[02:42] <bluestaze> Hello i want to how it is possible to know whats my wireless card
[02:42] <bluestaze> I use Ubuntu :P
[02:56] <charlie-tca> bluestaze: try "sudo lshw" in a terminal
[03:00] <brandonban6> evening! How do I "exit X" or quit my xserver? Trying to upgrade my video card, and that is the message the driver gives me
[03:00] <brandonban6> ERROR: You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before installing.
[03:10] <brandonban6>  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop <-- crashed my system in regards to my above question :(
[03:21] <meowImAKitty> can anyone help me with configuring the xorg file to work with my laptops external monitor port?
[04:33] <brandonban6> anyone know where to change the theme for panel?
[04:42] <TWF> hi!
[04:42] <brandonban6> hello
[04:43] <TWF> I got what claimed to be the xubuntu 8.10 torrent
[04:44] <TWF> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/intrepid/release/desktop/xubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[04:44] <TWF> but upon installing it appeared to be ubuntu 8.04
[04:46] <brandonban6> what do you mean appeared to be? did the splash screen show up as ubuntu?
[04:48] <n2diy> I see there is no text editor in accessories, what would you suggest? I'd like something that will do syntac checking for html and perl?
[04:49] <brandonban6> n2diy, the text editor is listed as mousepad, I don't know how it fairs out with coding, but if you want the gnome client, you can type "sudo apt-get install gedit" in a terminal screen.
[04:52] <n2diy> brandonban6: thanks, yes, mousepad, still confuses me.
[04:53] <TWF> it was gnome
[04:57] <TWF> all the splash screens showed up as ubuntu, not xubuntu
[04:57] <TWF> it looked exactly like a default ubuntu 8.04 install
[04:58] <brandonban6> TWF, that stinks. Perhaps try another download?
[04:59] <TWF> I direct-downloaded the same file
[04:59] <TWF> they exactly matched in size so I assume they're the same iso
[05:01] <TWF> that's not my problem though really
[05:01] <TWF> I got xubuntu-desktop through synaptic
[05:01] <TWF> which worked great for a few minutes
[05:03] <TWF> I did this: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfcehardy
[05:03] <TWF> to remove gnome, but now my display's all messed up
[05:04] <brandonban6> TWF, I'm sorry! Wish I could help, but that is a bit out of my league, maybe try posting in ubuntuforums? or perhaps trying later when someone else is on.
[05:06] <TWF> I did post on the ubuntu forums :X
[05:06] <TWF> they're having database troubles atm.
[05:20] <n2diy> does abiword do syntax checking for perl and/or html?
[05:37] <n2diy> test n2diy test
[07:25] <cjae> sudo chmod a + rwx /dev/sdb would let everyone be able to modify my ntfs external drive?
[08:33] <Slonkie> I'm getting this error when i'm trying to add some new repositories and getting the keys for them: http://paste.ubuntu.com/134714/ - Would anyone be able to help me in howto fix this?
[08:59] <Grrai> heya
[09:14] <knome> !hi | Grrai
[09:43] <Grrai> hmm... gonna reboot... see you in a bit, maybe.. (if reboot didn't heölp
[09:43] <Grrai> *help :P )
[09:54] <savvas> hello, is the default screensaver application in xfce xscreensaver? does it have a dbus address to get its state?
[10:36] <TheSheep> savvas: it's gnome-screensaver
[11:18] <chewit> is the new nofication system which is in ubuntu 9.04, going to be in xubuntu
[11:18] <savvas> TheSheep: thanks :)
[12:08] <ruhaan> how do i share my internet connection with other pcs on my network with xubuntu?
[12:13] <cody-somerville> ruhaan, buy a router
[12:14] <Besogon> It quastion not only for xubuntu. I never did that, but I only know about you must do something with iptables and ipfoward.
[12:15] <ruhaan_> cody-somerville, i have my network all set up
[12:15] <ruhaan_> i just need to share the internet
[12:15] <ruhaan_> so not really looking to buy a router
[12:15] <cody-somerville> ruhaan_, install firestarter
[12:16] <ruhaan_> yeah tried that
[12:16] <ruhaan_> but dhcp doesnt work with it
[12:16] <cody-somerville> did you install the dhcp server?
[12:16] <ruhaan_> i have installed the dhcp package though
[12:16] <ruhaan_> still it has the dhcp section grayed out
[12:16] <cody-somerville> dhcp client or server?
[12:16] <ruhaan_> server
[12:17] <Besogon> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=713874
[12:17] <Besogon> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370
[12:17] <Besogon> step by step
[12:17] <ruhaan_> thanks Besogon
[13:03] <ladanz> hi there! i have a little problem. i have a new hdd and simply mv'ed my old linux stuff to the new partition. as it seemed everything is alright, despite some minor issues, but there is a bigger problem with the sound. it doesn't work anymore. the "panel sound applet" shows nothing to regulate...
[13:04] <ladanz> i just look for a way too (auto) reconfigure alsa
[13:04] <ladanz> i tried dpkg-reconfigure alsa & alsa-base
[15:15] <{zEr0-x}> hi everybody!
[15:15] <{zEr0-x}> I have a question
[15:16] <{zEr0-x}> why if I decided to test Xubuntu in spanish, some apps came in english
[15:16] <charlie-tca> Perhaps they are not translated yet. which version ?
[15:17] <{zEr0-x}> Mozilla Thunderbird v<IP_ADDRESS>
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu version, please?
[15:18] <{zEr0-x}> :O Intrepid
[15:18] <{zEr0-x}> Recently downloaded (yesterday)
[15:21] <{zEr0-x}> any idea?
[15:24] <SiDi> go to system -> language support
[15:25] <SiDi> it'll probably tell you its missing a few language packages and ask you to let it download them
[16:56] <DaveDixonII> Hey. I need help.
[16:56] <dbdii407> When i click on a window, it wont come into focus
[18:53] <basajaun> hi all!
[19:09] <basajaun> hi all
[19:40] <basajaun> bye all
[20:57] <lc2> aaaanyyyway this cake is great, it's so delicious and moist
[20:57]  * lc2 waves to everyone
[20:57] <cody-somerville> the cake is a lie
[20:58] <lc2> hi cody-somerville
[20:58]  * SiDi waves, too.
[21:51] <rupert_> .
[21:51] <knome> !hi | rupert_
[21:52] <rupert_> hello
[21:52] <Daxie> hi
[21:52] <gorgut> lo
[21:53] <lc2> y helo thar
[22:01] <Shooree> anyone in the mood for walking a newb through fixing Acer 5920G (media keys + hibernation) issues on Xubuntu 8.10? I'm a quick learner :)
[22:06] <lc2> mm, i don't know shit about that, but you might want to try someone in the main ubuntu channel, since those issues are nearly always not xubuntu-specific
[22:06] <Shooree> right right
[22:07] <Shooree> will do that, cheers
[22:13] <Shooree> meh, its like a well of despair in #ubuntu! thousands of questions flying around... I'll never get an answer :(
[22:16] <knome> Shooree, which xubuntu version are you running?
[22:16] <Shooree> 8.10
[22:16] <knome> right. let me see if i can help you. just a moment
[22:16] <Shooree> I'm wading through the very detailed solutions on the forums, but I can't get any of them to work
[22:17] <Shooree> I actually reinstalled the system hours ago, in order to solve it afresh
[22:18] <Shooree> would you like me to post the links to the forum threads I'm reffering to_, knome_
[22:18] <SiDi> Did you just try to bind the keys in "Xfce params -> keyboard -> shortcuts" ?
[22:18] <knome> Shooree, that would be nice, yeah.
[22:19] <Shooree> what I did was explained in step one of the http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997860
[22:19] <Shooree> first stumbling point for me was that it doesn't say where to save the .xbindkeysrc file, once I create and edit it
[22:20] <Shooree> it just ends up in my home folder
[22:20] <knome> i suppose it is the right place
[22:20] <Shooree> ok then
[22:20] <Shooree> so I've put it there
[22:20] <Shooree> like the guide says
[22:20] <Shooree> and made the autostart command
[22:21] <Shooree> the xinput thing mentioned in the paragraph above
[22:21] <knome> yeah.
[22:21] <Shooree> installed exhaile that the guy mentions
[22:21] <knome> have you booted/logged out and in after that?
[22:21] <Shooree> and bummer. the media keys still works as if its a mouse wheel
[22:22] <Shooree> yea, several times
[22:22] <knome> ok
[22:23] <Shooree> I haven't done any other steps yet
[22:23] <knome> !info xvkbd
[22:24] <Shooree> should I do something with this info?
[22:25] <knome> can you try to change any of those items to, for example, "exaile"
[22:25] <knome> the xvkbd items
[22:25] <knome> and restart x and try if that button opens exaile
[22:25] <Shooree> I'm sorry, I don't follow... should I install this xvkbd package first?
[22:26] <knome> nope. just mevermind that. :)
[22:26] <knome> or well, i think it would be good if you don't have it already
[22:26] <Shooree> haven't installed anything like that
[22:26] <knome> ok, then try installing it
[22:26] <Shooree> ok
[22:27] <knome> and restart x and try thebuttons
[22:27] <Shooree> you mean, without touching anything else - just install and restart
[22:27] <knome> yes.
[22:28] <Shooree> okies. see you in a sec
[22:28] <knome> sure
[22:33] <Shooree> nope, nothing changed
[22:33] <Shooree> tried rewriting the autostart command again
[22:33] <knome> right...
[22:33] <Shooree> and still nothing
[22:34] <Shooree> I'm restarting X from the tty thing, btw. Is that alright?
[22:34] <knome> Shooree, i suppose it is, as long as X really gets restarted
[22:34] <Shooree> how do I know it really did get restarted?
[22:34] <Shooree> is there a better option
[22:35] <Shooree> other than an actual restart
[22:35] <knome> ctrl+alt+bakcspace should restart x
[22:35] <Shooree> I mean, I kill the gdm
[22:35] <Shooree> through tty
[22:35] <knome> killing the gdm doesn't really restart x
[22:35] <Shooree> oh
[22:35] <Shooree> ohhhh
[22:36] <Shooree> well, sorry then. I'll try it immediately
[22:36] <knome> at least properly, if i'm correct
[22:36] <knome> np.
[22:36] <Shooree> oh oh
[22:36] <Shooree> how do I restart it_
[22:36] <Shooree> if I need to
[22:36] <Shooree> or does it do that by itself
[22:36] <Shooree> :)
[22:36] <knome> ctrl+alt+backspace when in graphical mode, preferably in gdm
[22:37] <knome> then x reloads itself
[22:37] <Shooree> okies. thanks
[22:37] <knome> at least in intrepid it should
[22:37] <Shooree> lets see :)
[22:37] <knome> you'll see the screen going black
[22:37] <knome> damn this slow interweb
[22:42] <Shooree> its the same thing, apparently
[22:43] <Shooree> through tty is just a longer way
[22:43] <Shooree> anyway, the media keys are still not remapped
[22:43] <knome> yeah.
[22:43] <knome> right.
[22:44] <whileimhere> Silly Question but if I am using a laptop with an AMD athlon processor and with a gig of ram will XFCE actually still run light then the Ubuntu desktop?
[22:44] <knome> whileimhere, it will still run with less ram, but you might not see performance differnece easily
[22:45] <Shooree> whileimhere, yes it will
[22:45] <knome> Shooree, if you issue the ximput command in terminal, what happens?
[22:45] <whileimhere> well I was wondering about that since I use such heavy progs like GIMP and OO would they be better off in XFCE or GNOME?
[22:45] <knome> *xinput
[22:45] <Shooree> lemme see
[22:46] <Shooree> I see usage help
[22:46] <knome> whileimhere, basically xfce, if you run to the limits of your ram
[22:46] <lc2> whileimhere: it makes no difference
[22:46] <lc2> whileimhere: i use GIMP all the time under XFCE
[22:46] <whileimhere> As a side non XFCE note is there a faster lighter and better or just as good web browser out there?
[22:46] <knome> whileimhere, if you run anything that needs under 1 gig, then htere is basically no differnce
[22:46] <whileimhere> I mean will GIMP respond better under XFCE than under GNOME?
[22:46] <lc2> whileimhere: it makes no difference what WM you run it under
[22:47] <knome> whileimhere, not really.
[22:47] <lc2> whileimhere: i use it regularly for 3k+ x photos with 384mb RAM
[22:47] <whileimhere> lc2 you mean that GIMP is just as responsive under GNOME with a 10 meg graphic as it is under XFCE?
[22:47] <lc2> whileimhere: well, other than that XFCE uses less memory and so has more available for GIMP, yeah, pretty much
[22:48] <knome> whileimhere, there is no difference as long as you don't use all your ram.
[22:48] <whileimhere> AHH that is really what I was wondering
[22:48] <whileimhere> Thank you!
[22:48] <drozdak> excuse me does anyone know if xfce 4.6 is avalible in xubuntu 8.10 updates?
[22:48] <knome> Shooree, the complete xinput line which is in part 1?
[22:49] <knome> drozdak, no.
[22:49] <drozdak> too bad
[22:49] <knome> drozdak, (it isn't)
[22:49] <drozdak> why do you think so?
[22:50] <Shooree> knome, no, I don't see the line that's in the first step of the post
[22:50] <Shooree> I mean
[22:50] <knome> drozdak, i meant thathat me saying no meant that it isn't in the updates. :)
[22:50] <Shooree> what I see is "usage:" and then quite a few command options listed below
[22:51] <Shooree> I just typed "xinput" in terminal
[22:51] <drozdak> ok
[22:51] <knome> Shooree, with 'xinput set-button-map "4" 1 2 3 17 18 19 20 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16'?
[22:51] <Shooree> was I supposed to open it up for... oh
[22:51] <Shooree> should I type that?
[22:51] <Shooree> into the terminal
[22:52] <knome> yeah.
[22:52] <Shooree> I made an autostart command out of that
[22:52] <Shooree> okok
[22:52] <Shooree> I think I understand where this is going
[22:52] <Shooree> got and error
[22:53] <Shooree> X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[22:53] <Shooree> when I c/p-ed the line
[22:53] <knome> right...
[22:53] <Shooree> that's what I got. then there's a few more lines
[22:53] <knome> that's why your keys doesn't work.
[22:54] <Shooree> what does that tell us?
[22:54] <Shooree> I'd really like to understand what I'm doing
[22:54] <Shooree> I mean, I know we're diagnosing
[22:55] <knome> i have to say i don't have a slightest clue.
[22:55] <Shooree> hahaha
[22:55] <Shooree> great
[22:55] <knome> but that's where it comes down to. have you read all the comments for that thread?
[22:56] <Shooree> yes, several times. but then there's other threads. and even more of them.
[22:57] <knome> maybe you could search for your specific problem from the threads.
[22:57] <knome> atm i have so slow internet connection i just can't do quick browsing :(
[22:57] <Shooree> yea I did do that already. it's my 10th hour of poking around.
[22:58] <Shooree> I just figured I might stumble into someone who could sort of filter all the noise out
[22:58] <knome> sorry to hear that. i hope someone with more experience with those issues come up.
[22:59] <Shooree> mm
[22:59] <Shooree> anyways, thanks a lot
[22:59] <Shooree> it was fun to be optimistic for a while
[22:59] <knome> np
[23:00] <knome> :]


[00:27] <ubptgbot> PiecerEdd was added by: PiecerEdd
 @hallyn [drat, no fix yet for https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone/-/issu …], if this is what i think it is, then probably not a trivial fix (requires fixing/adding wayland protocols)
 @Alexey Gridnev [HI! On my Nexus 5, the default Media Player does not play videos from Teleports. …], UT relies normally on hardware decoding for certain codecs, and there's an issue with that on Nexus 5. It seems resolved with the halium build, but there are other issues preventing a switch to halium on that device currently
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 @Shinkamui [Shinkamui was added by: buredoRUNofthecyborg], Your name...
 @Jaymz665 [Yes, this theme is used in the keyboard, but it also applied to the system, and …], I don't understand how you changed the theme but from the looks of it, the theme value in `~/.config/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/theme.ini` is either blank or invalid.
 @imraniqbal [@Javacookies Didn't you have some plan for allowing end users to provide their o …], no I don't plan on doing that but it is possible do
 @Javacookies [no I don't plan on doing that but it is possible do], Is there already an override directory available under `~`?
 no not yet, but I would think it'll be relatively easy to implement
[05:01] <ubptgbot> <Anony Izu> Someone have an idea when will xiaomi redmi note 7 port will be released?
 @Alexey Gridnev [HI! On my Nexus 5, the default Media Player does not play videos from Teleports. …], You mean the embedded player in teleports?
[07:07] <ubptgbot> Rian Pjeiter was added by: Rian Pjeiter
 @Javacookies [I don't understand how you changed the theme but from the looks of it, the theme …], That's right, this caused an error and the theme "turned black". it's funny, but critical.
 it should be easily fixable … just make sure that file has a valid value again … I believe UTTT or ThemeSwitch can fix it
[08:07] <ubptgbot> Lloyd Prina was added by: Lloyd Prina
[08:18] <ubptgbot> <Alexey Gridnev> @Flohack [You mean the embedded player in teleports?], I meant the default media player in Ubuntu Touch, but the embedded one in Teleports does not play back videos either
 yes It doesn't work now
 there is a hope that those issues will be solved with the halium port
 @malditobastardo [there is a hope that those issues will be solved with the halium port], From my own tinkering, it seems the issue is in MediaHub, unfortunately.
 I could very well be wrong, and i very well hope i am. I gave up on trying to fix it because it was out of my league, so it's entirely possible.
 Since nobody asked, my opinion on MediaHub is that it's a poorly implemented amazing idea.
 I say "poorly", but really... that's not right. I think it's an amazing achievement that just isn't quite good enough.
 Gstreamer tried the same thing, and it's absolutely terrible by comparison. Not to belittle the efforts or results, I simply mean that, "by comparison".
 Going forward, the idea of simply submitting a filehandle to a facility to decode into frames of video and audio is really all we want/need. Once this works, we're talking Haiku level media mux/demux enc/denc integration.
 hello! I have teleports app for telegram on my bq e4.5 but I cannot login to my telegram account. on the step, where I need to enter my password, it does not show me the keyboard
 how can I fix it?
 also if I try to paste the password from my password manager, it does not give me any option to paste. looks like it just hangs and does not react on any action
 I also do not see another telegram app. only web apps
[10:40] <ubptgbot> Cayoh Delo was added by: Cayoh Delo
 I now have a new Smart Phone and have dedicated my previous phone (OnePlus One) to UBPorts. Now I can feel included in the live streams and OTA updates.
 My new Phone is a used OnePlus 3T. I am stll not sure which device UBPorts runs better on. I have only tried the OPO but I think I read somewhere that the OP3T has better support.
[11:14] <ubptgbot> Christine was added by: Christine
 Hi, is there someone who uses ubuntu touch with a tablet which works well?
 @Christine [Hi, is there someone who uses ubuntu touch with a tablet which works well?], BQ's are the only one supported for now and works very very well
 Pinetab is the next one
 Thank you for that hint
 Is there a special type of bq tablets?
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/frieza/
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/cooler/
 https://www.pine64.org/pinetab/
 The BQ's are convergence ready so.. but it's almost impossible to find new ones, you will have to look for a second hand
 Yes, thats OK. I will look for a refurbished system 👍😀
 Thank you!
 yeah refurbished is the way to go :)
 You are welcome
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[14:13] <ubptgbot> <Ajay Sahu> Hi guys.. Did anyone test Ubuntu touch on Xiaomi redmi 5 s?
 @Ajay Sahu [Hi guys.. Did anyone test Ubuntu touch on Xiaomi redmi 5 s?], I don't think anybody did, try to build it on your own!
[14:13] <ubptgbot> <Ajay Sahu> What could be tu test these phone and put out the tests for public?
[14:14] <ubptgbot> <Ajay Sahu> @TipzTeam [I don't think anybody did, try to build it on your own!], Ok..
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 Any idea if there's either a device that's well supported which has a user-replacable battery... or a newer device that's well supported (so the lithium ion battery isn't seriously worn out)
 [Edit] Any idea if there's either a device that's well supported which has a user-replacable battery... or a newer device that's well supported (so the lithium ion battery isn't seriously worn out)?
 I originally had a nexus 5... however i'd prefer not to deal both with such a fragile screen, shitty battery life (and a big PITA to replace the battery), and the ancient 3.4 android kernel used in it's port...
 Suprised the nexus 6 didn't become a big dev project
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[17:24] <ubptgbot> <Alexey Gridnev> @Izaic [I originally had a nexus 5... however i'd prefer not to deal both with such a fr …], Well, replacing the battery on Nexus 5 is actually pretty easy. Not 1 minute operation but it will take you 15-20 minutes to figure out how to do it. Also, it's one of the very few devices on which you can install UT simply using a GUI, wit
[17:24] <ubptgbot> hout dancing around the computer with a tambourine 😀
[17:25] <DonkeyHotei> plus, you can replace the screen in the same step
[17:26] <WoC> Anyone managed to install on a Pixel 4 XL yet ?
 @Izaic [I originally had a nexus 5... however i'd prefer not to deal both with such a fr …], if you want a new kernel, then pinephone
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/hP00VqLQ.png
 The new upcoming devices @Izaic
 @dohbee The pinephone is out of the question probably for a good year or two... There's just way too many issues...
 pinephone and librem 5 are the only things you're going to get a current kernel on and no android cruft
 My CE doesn't even have outgoing audio...
 And while my braveheart does, there's like 5 different bugs that prevent me from using it
 And i have a feeling this is gonna take a long time to figure out. Hopefully i'm wrong.
 where they are daily usable for you or not is a separate thing. i was simply commenting on your claim about the kernel
 if you can find a fairphone 2, it has a replaceable battery i guess. but also, ancient kernel because android
 I can't use it in the US
 And the issues on the pinephone for calls are prob because i'm in the US
 The US cellular system really seems to hate life.
 @Izaic [The US cellular system really seems to hate life.], You are correct. It's miserable here in the US. Verizon and sprint refuse to help unless you have an officially branded phone.
 (Video, 57s) https://irc.ubports.com/WnpZBxQ4.mp4
 This isn't looped
 And this is just the start of the call and texting issues i've encountered on various distros.
 I was able to take a us UNLOCKED HTC WITH VERIZON FIRMWARE into there and they STILL had to go in the back and activate my sim card on a Samsung s6
 The devs fix it... it kinda works for a little while... and the next week it's broken to hell and back.
 @bendoverboi Yeah... That and forcing you to upgrade by only supporting VoLTE...
 As you can see the 3G signal around here sucks because they've gotten rid of all but one tower with it
 lol, volte has been around for like 8 years now
[17:50] <ubptgbot> <Кадрия Нургалиева> https://bit.ly/2V4lzmq
 Maybe so. But the pinephone doesn't support it yet. And i imagine it will be a while.
 does the modem have support for it at all?
 Yes
 But the pinephone isn't a normal phone
 It's modem is wired up differently...
 And ofono and whatnot is pretty hit or miss.
 im so glad im not in the States, ive had the same sim card for like 15 years and ive plugged it into all sorts of random phones and gadgets, its always just worked
 I keep hearing people in europe aren't having trouble with calls...
 @PiecerEdd [im so glad im not in the States, ive had the same sim card for like 15 years and …], literally has nothing to do with being in the states
 I will say, dalton and mariu's patch for the US cell network helped greatly. But it wasn't enough.
 oh? it always seems like US carriers are arsey about where their sim card goes
 the only reason i've changed sim cards at all in the last i don't know how many years, is due to physical size changes of sims in newer phones
 yeah, they sent me a clipper thingy to cut mine hehe, plus an adapter if i needed to go back
 I know i shouldn't expect the pinephone to work at all... considering it's software is still early... but i can't help but feel really upset in the fact that calls and GPS and whatnot have been advertised over and over... and crust too... but there's still hundreds of issues with them... Saying they work is very misleading.
 did you use ubuntu touch back when canonical first released it?
 I hate feeling trapped... I can buy a old android device and relfash it... but have to replace the battery (which was a PITA on my nexus because it was practically superglued in place)... Or i buy a normal android phone and get spyed on every step i take
 like when they provided nexus images and stuff
 well they were working when tested i presume; and then other things changed and people started using the phone, and things had more problems
 it was amazingly useable even in the early days
 I think the problem is lukasz (pine64's community cordinator) is jumping the gun and saying stuff works, or is added, or whatever, way before they are ready or even truly working.
 Every "stable" update i get super excited... only to be hit with 5 call bugs...
 When it was said that calls "work"
 multiple times
 =/ thats annoying
 Yeah
 @Izaic [Any idea if there's either a device that's well supported which has a user-repla …], Fairphone 2 !?
 And disheartening. Calls were supposed to be "working" months ago.
 But they still aren't obviously.
 ive not got a pinephone, i really wanted one as i too dont wanna go android for my next phone
 Not for everyone at least. And even for those that they work for, there's still lots of bugs
 That's why i think it will be at least a good year at this point before these issues are finally solved.
 And i feel quite trapped like i said... I dont want to buy another android... but i might have to if i want reliability.
 if they ever released a nixos CE ill jump on it just for the nixos logo case 😛
 lol
 I personally would be interested in postmarketOS... once it
 ever used sailfish OS? ive been happy with that for years
 matures more
 very stable and useable
 Yeah. Sailfish is actually pretty nice... But calls weren't supported the last i checked... probably because they knew there was still bugs and didn't want to disappoint with a broken release.
 ahh i dunno about runing it on pinephone im talking about running it on an xperia
 oh
 :p;
 Well, it works pretty dang well on a pinephone
 thats cool
 Besides obviously GPS and Calls, Texts, etc
 =/
 thats not cool
 Which, while the other distros claim they work... they really dont.
 Not reliably at least.
 So it's a good thing sailfish isn't saying they work.
 Until they are *Sure* they work.
 right
 yeah jolla are quite conservative about saying things are 'ready'
 Well, it's not a official port
 Though i hear jolla might be interested
 took them ages to say the gemini pda image is 'official' despite many people happily running it
 Well the port was made by a community member
 yeah thats usually how it goes
 oh
 Speaking of PDA... Lukasz said pine has plans for a keyboard addon...
 Will be very cool to have...
 Once the phone functionality is reliable :P
 At the very least, it's good enough to be a tiny tablet
 Which, speaking of tablets... Pinetab!
 Can't wait for mine to ship.
 All the work done for the pinephone will be used in the pinetab... so it should work out of the box...
 I think it's really dang cool that it runs ubuntu touch.
 Match made in heaven.
 i did want a pinetab but id prefer a faster chip like whats in the book pro
 ive got a cosmo communicator, LOOOVEE having a real hardware keyboard
 just a shame its got crappy android on it (for now) 😁
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 @dohbee [lol, volte has been around for like 8 years now], May have been around but I started using it in 2017
 To many custom roms didn't support it on my note 3
[18:52] <hallyn> those of you with pinephone, talkt o me about battery life.  Are you getting better than 2-3 hours?
 pinephones ce on ebay now wow
 mustnt be UK ebay i couldnt find it :(
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 @Marathon2422 [pinephones ce on ebay now wow], 2 sold for $355 each. Insane
 crazy
 2 more listed now. One started at $150 and the other is .99
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 350-400 was the going rate for braveheart in march
 really only surprised because the next batch has an annouced timeframe
 but i guess if you want immediate gratification, you'll pay for it
 i know i did
 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 (Photo, 590x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/l3CsCmmL.png
 Your telling me a phone with specs from 2012-2013, is worth 350-400$ ?
 @bendoverboi [Your telling me a phone with specs from 2012-2013, is worth 350-400$ ?], 150USD*
 but yes, economics if scale is a thing
 How much lte band support lol
 HvdG: depends on what it represents to the buyer
 i odnt think anyone buying the pinephone is buying the phone for its spec
 and when it was not available to purchase through official means, we quickly find out what that value is to buyers based on availability
 i mean, diamonds are basically useless for ordinary people, but they will still spend more than the cost of a nice car on one
 at least the pinephone can double as a coffee warmer
 lol
 i like that
 and it's cheaper than an ember
 hilarious side story, been mulling over buying one of those, it just doesn't hold enough coffee
 but its a really cool looking thermos / cup from a nerd perspective
 we have https://t.me/UBportsOF for overflow off topic discussions :)
 lol, you started it
 @hallyn In ubuntu touch on the pinephone i can acheive 5 1/2 hours of SOT... And without turning on the screen and just leaving the phone in deep sleep, i can get around 12 1/2 hours of battery.
 Hello people! What phone has the longest battery life on UBports?
[22:43] <WoC> probably my sgs8+
[22:43] <WoC> it's been off for some weeks now ;)
 does a sgs8+ have a UT port?
 (Im assuming sgs8+ = Samsung Galaxy S8+)
 no; though maybe someone started playing halium 9 + gsi image on it
[22:45] <WoC> ( joke )
 ahh ok, I recall Marius has a S8 or S8+ he wanted to port, and I have a Galaxy Note 8 Id like to port, but Im not porting my daily device again, too much of a pain
[22:46] <WoC> but it would be nice to run on it
[22:46] <WoC> or a pixel 4 xl
 probably something like bq e4.5 has best battery life currently
 well my note 4 if sitting on a desk gets about a day and a half idle
 The old BQ 4.5 had great battery life but no real point going backwards. There has been no benchmarking done on more recent devices
 I also dont think I have repowerd working correctly either, but Ill look into benchmarking after I get installer working
 Small screen + big battery the way to go 😋
 @WoC [probably my sgs8+], That would be nice
 @dohbee [probably something like bq e4.5 has best battery life currently], Thanks
 @Stereofont [Small screen + big battery the way to go 😋], Which what device?
 Folks! What is a technical reason why there are no video calls support?
[23:17] <WoC> ty
[23:17] <WoC> because nothing gets ported back from android
[23:18] <WoC> re <arthurabdulin> Folks! What is a technical reason why there are no video calls support?
 @arthurabdulin [Folks! What is a technical reason why there are no video calls support?], chromium for linux doesn't support running on top of android, and qtwebengine isn't altered to use QtMultimedia for video
 things don't work the same as on a PC
[23:18] <WoC> amen
[23:18] <WoC> Linux Cursed 5.7.0-1-MANJARO-ARM #1 SMP Sun Jun 7 22:17:22 +03 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux
 but with GPU accel and WebGL enabled in QtWebEngine on a pinephone, videocalls should work
 technically you can still use the services, just with audio only, on the android devices
 and otherwise, nobody has written any native app to do video calling yet


[01:28] <admcleod_> thumper: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1765571
[01:28] <mup> Bug #1765571: lxd container fails to launch on bionic host: No associated target operation <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1765571>
[01:29] <admcleod_> thumper: im going to EOD but ill leave those envs up so if you want me to try anything/get more info let me know
[01:33] <thumper> admcleod_: ack
[01:33] <thumper> babbageclunk: ping
[01:34] <babbageclunk> thumper pingback - good timing!
[01:34] <babbageclunk> in 1:1?
[01:34] <thumper> ack
[02:52] <thumper> wallyworld: can you reply to Junien on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1762979 ?
[02:52] <mup> Bug #1762979: juju resolve --no-retry behaviour is inverted <juju:Fix Committed by wallyworld> <juju 2.3:Fix Released by wallyworld> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762979>
[02:52] <wallyworld> looking
[03:30] <veebers> babbageclunk (thumper?) I found go-guru-hl-identifier-mode, I find it useful you may too (highlights identifier under point).
[03:30] <babbageclunk> veebers: might try it, thanks!
[03:32] <veebers> I enabled with "(add-hook 'go-mode-hook #'go-guru-hl-identifier-mode)", I tweaked the face a little too '(go-guru-hl-identifier-face ((t (:inherit highlight :slant italic))))
[03:47] <babbageclunk> I like it! It feels a bit inconsistent though - it highlights instaces of time (in time.Duration) but not Duration, and not a different package. Maybe it's just if that name (time) happens to have been used as a local somewhere in the file?
[03:48] <wallyworld> thumper: :-) pretty please? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8634
[03:48]  * thumper looks
[03:49] <wallyworld> need for CI etc
[03:49] <thumper> wallyworld: got a sec to chat about this?
[03:49] <wallyworld> sure
[03:49] <thumper> 1:!
[04:29] <kelvinliu> hi wallyworld: can I have ur 5mins on hangout?
[04:29] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: just talking to chris, give me
[04:29] <wallyworld> 5
[04:29] <wallyworld> unless you want to join standup hangout
[04:30] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: sure, I will just join soon. thx
[04:32] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: i *need* coffee, let me go make one and i'll ping you in 5
[04:33] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: yup, no problem, thx
[04:38] <babbageclunk> thumper: retrying that benchmarking on aws machines I can get between 340 - 400 updates per second. Weirdly, tweaking that parameter I was talking about didn't seem to make much difference.
[04:39] <thumper> hmm... ok
[04:42] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: free now, see you in hangout?
[04:42] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: yup
[05:09]  * thumper sighs
[05:09] <thumper> looks like gofmt is sad on develop
[05:09] <thumper> how?
[05:10] <veebers> did wallyworlds change land for make check?
[05:10] <thumper> type DBusAPIFactory = func() (DBusAPI, error)
[05:11] <thumper> there is an = there
[05:11] <thumper> service/systemd/service.go
[05:11] <thumper> go test passes in there
[05:12] <thumper> but the prepush hook fails
[05:13] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: a quick one https://github.com/wallyworld/caas/pull/2 thx
[05:13] <thumper> https://github.com/juju/juju/commit/4185a33acc39527276de908c2492f6286d87f0d1
[05:13] <thumper> funny, but Joe's change was just renaming
[05:13] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: thks
[05:14] <thumper> the type alias is from before
[05:14] <thumper> perhaps this is a new check?
[05:14] <veebers> thumper: which go version are you using?
[05:14] <thumper> 1.10.1
[05:14] <veebers> I see the prechecks are happening (this run fron ~17 hours ago: http://ci.jujucharms.com/job/github-check-merge-juju/963/console)
[05:15] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: it includes your bundle changes, they will need to be backed out
[05:16] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: also build dirs like  charms/gitlab/deps/interface/pgsql
[05:16] <wallyworld> need to not be pushed
[05:17] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: use  INTERFACE_PATH=/path-to-ur-local-interfaces-dir use local interface
[05:17] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: thanks, yeah, i already had that set as it turns out
[05:19] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: ah, ok, I will gitignore deps
[05:19] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: is the deps required or not
[05:19] <wallyworld> no
[05:20] <wallyworld> can be removed from PR
[05:20] <wallyworld> is generated on build AFAIK
[05:21] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: looks good with a few comments to fix
[05:22] <thumper> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8635
[05:30] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: made changes for the comments. thx
[05:31] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: where does ##MODEL## come from?
[05:31] <wallyworld> i've not seen that before
[05:31] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: in the $profile
[05:31] <wallyworld> the bash profile?
[05:32] <wallyworld> ih wait
[05:32] <wallyworld> i see
[05:33] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: yes
[05:33] <wallyworld> thanks, haven't noticed that before
[05:33] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: np :)
[05:34] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: looks good, i'll merge when the mysql layer change gets merged so as not to break existing users
[05:35] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: yeah, thx
[05:40] <axino> wallyworld: hi
[05:40] <wallyworld> hey
[05:40] <axino> wallyworld: so afaik, "juju resolved" has been, by default, retrying _by default_ since 2.x (1.x default was to not retry)
[05:41] <axino> wallyworld: and you're saying in the bug that most 2.x versions didn't retry if one simply ran "juju resolved" ?
[05:41] <wallyworld> yeah, in 2.x the behaviour was meant to be swapped
[05:41] <wallyworld> 2.x requires --no-retry to not retry
[05:41] <wallyworld> 2.x retries by default
[05:41] <wallyworld> or is supposed to
[05:42] <wallyworld> but i was testing an found it didn't
[05:42] <thumper> wallyworld: if you are happy with the proxy rework branch, just add the merge comment, otherwise I'll address anything monday morning
[05:42] <thumper> laters peeps
[05:42] <wallyworld> thumper: looking
[05:42] <wallyworld> axino: and i looked at the code and saw a bug
[05:44] <axino> wallyworld: I'm suprised no one saw it in 1+ years
[05:45] <wallyworld> axino: me too. apparently tim was talking to xav from bootstack and when the bug was mentioned, xav said somrthing like "oh, i was wondering why it never seemed to work properly"
[05:45] <axino> heh
[05:45] <wallyworld> better late than never for a fix i guess
[05:48] <axino> oh yeah definitely
[05:48] <axino> wallyworld: and this is an agent thing right ? not a client thing ?
[05:48] <wallyworld> yeah, if i recall correctly
[05:49] <wallyworld> CLI was modified but agent wasn't
[05:49] <wallyworld> modified to the reversed behaviour
[06:30] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: see this error? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/MF3wRbZWFp/
[06:30] <wallyworld> the mysql charm relation joined isn't happy
[06:31] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: ah, sorry. I changed the code inside the container by exec into it, but forgot change it into the repo.
[06:32] <wallyworld> ok, np, just push the change :-)
[06:33] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: done.
[06:33] <wallyworld> thanks, looking
[06:34] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: np
[06:39] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: it seems then that he doc string is wrong in the mysql layer
[06:39] <wallyworld> they leave off the items() also
[06:39] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: yes, I was about to add comment to the PR
[06:40] <wallyworld> great!
[06:40] <wallyworld> just waiting for gitlab to start now so i can see the result
[06:45] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: there is indeed a problem - gitlab can't talk to mysql, gets auth error it seems
[06:45] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: just found one issue on operators. so it seems operator was deployed by k8s pod api, so no `deployment` resources created. So k8s will not be able to manage it for recovering for example.
[06:46] <wallyworld> you sure? i get deployments
[06:46] <wallyworld> $ kubectl -n caas get deployments
[06:46] <wallyworld> NAME          DESIRED   CURRENT   UP-TO-DATE   AVAILABLE   AGE
[06:46] <wallyworld> juju-gitlab   1         1         1            1           6m
[06:46] <wallyworld> juju-mysql    1         1         1            1           8m
[06:47] <kelvinliu> that's the deployments for app pod
[06:47] <kelvinliu> i mean depployment for operator pod
[06:47] <wallyworld> oh right yes, deployment for operator pod not done yet
[06:47] <wallyworld> there's a todo in the code
[06:48] <kelvinliu> ah, ic. I was just deleted gitlab operator pod, so it's gone
[06:48] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: so if mysql password is being correctly passed to gitlab docker image, but gitlab can't connect, that implies an issue in provides.py on the mysql side i think
[06:49] <wallyworld> you'll have to remove-application from juju and deploy again
[06:49] <kelvinliu> yup.
[06:50] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: actually, it looks like an issue with the gitlab image https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/2yxHnJffqT/
[06:51] <wallyworld> we use latest, i might try an older one
[06:51] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: yes, i got the same error.
[06:54] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: but latest image was pushed 10 days ago
[07:02] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: i tried an older version 10.6.4, same error :-(
[07:13] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: i guess it's related with the db access
[07:14] <wallyworld> it is but we need to find out why
[07:14] <wallyworld> will have to try with theold mysql layer
[07:16] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: solved!
[07:16] <wallyworld> it was new mysql version 8
[07:16] <wallyworld> this works
[07:16] <wallyworld> juju deploy ./mysql --config mysql_image=mysql/mysql-server:5.7
[07:17] <wallyworld> i will push a change to the charm to use that tag
[07:18] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: ah mysql had a recent push.
[07:18] <wallyworld> yeah
[07:20] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: would be better to lock the version tag
[07:20] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: that's what i'm going to do - change the tag in the charm config
[07:21] <wallyworld> config.yaml has the default image path
[07:21] <wallyworld> in my example above, i overrode the default when deploying
[07:30] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: ah, ic. the charm actually should be latest, then overwrite it from cmd when we deploy. probably we can just add the current compatible versions to the README?
[07:32] <anastasiamac> kelvinliu: wallyworld would not have seen ur message, he logged out just before it.
[07:33] <kelvinliu> anastasiamac: yeah, just saw that. thx for remind. haha
[07:34] <anastasiamac> nws :)
[07:34] <anastasiamac> m guessing u r not using tab to autocomplete the nick :D
[07:40] <kelvinliu> ah, how did u know? i just ctl+c  ^-^
[08:04] <wallyworld> kelvinli_: i've pushed changes to pin the image version. you could rebase your branch
[08:08] <wallyworld> kelvinli_: left some more comments in the PR
[08:13] <kelvinliu> wallyworld, looking the comments now
[08:26] <wallyworld> kelvinli_: thanks for changes! perhaps a comment that the -o directory can be anywhere convenient; doesn't have to necessarily be ~/.local/shared/charms
[08:54] <kelvinliu> wallyworld, yeah, agreed.
[08:54] <wallyworld> \o/
[09:06] <kelvinliu> Have a good weekend  :-)
[12:35] <balloons> Good morning
[18:45] <mup> Bug #1729930 changed: juju.state.leadership manager.go:72 stopping leadership manager with error: state changing too quickly; try again soon <sts> <juju-core:Fix Released by axwalk> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1729930>
[20:18] <hml>  balloons: regarding the prehook checks not working on first push of new branch:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jV84x29pZm/
[20:19] <hml> balloons: perhaps because master is now not used?  guessing in the dark
[20:19] <balloons> Ah, yea we should remove master and staging
[20:20] <balloons> hml, did you try a quick fix of looking in develop?
[20:20] <hml> balloons: sure
[20:21] <balloons> I would rather we must added the meta linter instead of that old script
[20:25] <hml> balloons:  i did a simple change of master to develop and still fails… something else is wrong.. not a git master
[20:26] <balloons> Gotcha. Sorry it's a pain


[02:53] <jldugger-tablet> quick check before I dig through launchpad: is acpi mostly broken in feisty?
[02:56] <jldugger-tablet> damn its annoying to have the brightness low
[02:59] <Burgundavia> jldugger-tablet: bugs in laptops are usually very hardware specific
[02:59] <jldugger-tablet> true
[02:59] <jldugger-tablet> looks like Im getting APIC errors =/
[03:01] <jldugger-tablet> aha
[03:02] <jldugger-tablet> found the bug. sounds like an easy fix (upgrade toshiba_acpi.c); maybe i should investigate why toshiba_acpi is a common culprit. is it not in the main tree?
[03:12] <mjg59> No, but it has nothing to do with APIC
[03:19] <jldugger-tablet> i didnt really mean to imply the two were related
[03:20] <mjg59> Ah, ok
[03:20] <mjg59> Hm. Looks like toshiba_acpi is missing the Ubuntu-specific patch.
[03:20] <mjg59> I'll chase Ben about that.
[03:21] <jldugger-tablet> since ive got an ear, who does the wacom stuff?
[03:21] <mjg59> Me
[03:21] <mjg59> Though I haven't had time to touch it lately
[03:21] <jldugger-tablet> understandable
[03:21] <mjg59> For tablet machines, it should Just Work if you install the wacom-tools package
[03:21] <jldugger-tablet> convertable
[03:21] <jldugger-tablet> it Mostly Just Works
[03:22] <mjg59> Ok
[03:22] <mjg59> What's up, then? :)
[03:22] <jldugger-tablet> ive got a Tecra M7; you can convert the screen to a tablet
[03:22] <jldugger-tablet> basically rotate the screen 180 degrees
[03:23] <mjg59> Yeah
[03:23] <jldugger-tablet> im not sure what's up exactly, but rotating the screen screws up the input
[03:23] <mjg59> So pretty standard
[03:23] <mjg59> Yes
[03:23] <mjg59> The input rotation isn't tied into the screen rotation
[03:23] <mjg59> I keep meaning to look into that
[03:23] <jldugger-tablet> people are saying the new version solves it
[03:23] <mjg59> xwacomcfg (or whatever it's called) should let you change that
[03:24] <mjg59> If it does, it's not mentioned in the changelog
[03:24] <jldugger-tablet> i have no idea what it's called
[03:24] <mjg59> xsetwacom
[03:24] <jldugger-tablet> yea, there's new options
[03:24] <mjg59> The rotation options are in our one
[03:24] <jldugger-tablet> xsetwacom -blah HALF
[03:25] <mjg59> Hm
[03:25] <mjg59> Though there's reasonably compelling reasons to update to the newer code anyway
[03:25] <mjg59> They've merged button support
[03:25] <jldugger-tablet> yes. i hear it works with USB hotplugging or something
[03:25] <mjg59> Through indescribably ugly hacks
[03:25] <jldugger-tablet> does debian's package really suck or something?
[03:26] <mjg59> We'll have input hotplug for feisty
[03:26] <mjg59> And be able to avoid this
[03:28] <jldugger-tablet> ive got a script set up to do the rotation, but none of the options for input work. i guess xrandr rotates input as well or something, so even adding in a fix to wacom-tools would be a hack to work around a broken assumption in xrandr
[03:28] <mjg59> xrandr doesn't rotate input
[03:28] <jldugger-tablet> then why would i need to rotate input at all?
[03:28] <mjg59> Well, not in the way you expect in this casde
[03:29] <mjg59> You touch the tablet in the top left corner. The driver reports (0,0).
[03:29] <mjg59>  But because you've rotated the screen, (0,0) is no longer the same corner as far as the display is concerned
[03:35] <jldugger-tablet> so logical vs absolute coordinates
[03:51] <mjg59> Yes
[03:55] <jldugger-tablet> expanding tables in the current wiki kinda sucks =/
[03:57] <Fujitsu> Adding extra columns, you mean?
[03:57] <jldugger-tablet> yea
[03:58] <Fujitsu> Yeah, I've only had to do that once (adding a Feisty column to my LaptopTestingTeam page).
[03:58] <Fujitsu> But that did suck.
[04:02] <jldugger-tablet> it'll be even worse when the next release comes out
[04:03] <jldugger-tablet> my plan is to keep an LTS column, a stable column and a testing / development column
[04:11] <jldugger-tablet> maybe i'll write a script or something that takes a spreadsheet and converts to wikiML
[04:18] <Fujitsu> That's what I've done since the start of Feisty (LTS, stable, dev)
[04:20] <jldugger-tablet> i just installed feisty last night
[04:20] <jldugger-tablet> so do you have an agreement with Fujitsu, or just like em a lot?
[04:21] <Fujitsu> I've had Feisty installed since... early November, I think.
[04:21] <Fujitsu> Neither.
[04:21] <jldugger-tablet> ive had other priorities, like passing classes
[04:22] <Fujitsu> Well, I need to test stuff I upload, so it's sort of a requirement.
[04:23] <jldugger-tablet> heh
[04:23] <Fujitsu> Uploading broken stuff to the archive is sort of not a good idea :P
[04:23] <jldugger-tablet> aww, you wouldnt be the first
[04:23] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[04:23] <jldugger-tablet> but with great power comes great responsibility
[04:25] <jldugger-tablet> for some reason, i thought network manager was gonna disable the keyring crap
[04:25] <Fujitsu> Not yet, I think that's scheduled for 0.7.
[04:30] <jldugger-tablet> seems so. wonder when NM.7 is planned for release
[04:30] <jldugger-tablet> in time for feisty i hope
[04:30] <Fujitsu> I believe so.
[07:47] <jldugger-tablet> well color me surprised. hibernate worked
[07:47] <jldugger-tablet> with nvidia binaries, no less
[07:49] <jldugger-tablet> and irc didnt even time out.
[02:04] <merlin-linux> humbug to you all
[10:08] <paulg57> hi all


[00:24] <sudobash> hey is there a way to run: route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS> to a xubuntu machine as root at startup?
[00:25] <sudobash> or is there a config somewhere i can can add the gateway to
[00:25] <sudobash> the route
[00:26] <sudobash> Hey LjL are you around?
[00:26] <ere4si> you can set the gateway up in /etc/network/interfaces
[00:27] <sudobash> thanks
[00:31] <sudobash> how do you reset the config without having to restart?
[00:32] <sudobash> or reinitialize
[00:34] <ere4si> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart   in a terminal
[00:34] <ere4si> sudobash: ^^
[00:34] <sudobash> awesome
[00:34] <ere4si> :)
[00:40] <sudobash> now it doesnt seem to work the same as route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:40] <sudobash> because that config doesnt let me ping google... but the route trick does
[00:41] <sudobash> is there a way to run the route command at startup i have done it before for this time i have ran scripts at the startup of GDM
[00:42] <sudobash> but just after the user logs would work if the script can run at root level
[00:44] <sudobash> i had a screwed up installation once that would corrupt Xorg and also GDM so both had to be reinstalled through terminal but I managed to write a shell script to stop gdm right before it actually had a chance to corrupt anything and could run startx
[00:45] <sudobash> but if i could run sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS> to that it would work probably
[00:45] <ere4si> you could put the script in /etc/rc2.d/rc.local
[00:45] <sudobash> yeah thats it or /etc/rc.local right?
[00:46] <sudobash> whats the difference?
[00:46] <ere4si> no - /etc/rc2.d/rc.local
[00:46] <ere4si> the user runlevel default is 2
[00:47] <sudobash> well it has to run as sudo but without a password
[00:47] <sudobash> root
[00:47] <sudobash>  i mean
[00:49] <sudobash> trying it now
[01:06] <LetsGo67> How do I remove PPPoEconf system changes?
[01:08] <Stroganoff> LetsGo67: sudo apt-get purge pppoeconf
[01:08] <Stroganoff> if this isn't enough, then i'm sorry for i dont know
[01:09] <LetsGo67> Stroganoff, qu'est-ce que cela fait?
[01:09] <Stroganoff> english please
[01:09] <LetsGo67> What happens after running such a command?
[01:09] <Stroganoff> pppoeconf gets uninstalled including all its config files
[01:10] <LetsGo67> Good, what about the "load this on startup" stuff?
[01:10] <Stroganoff> depends on what you mean by stuff
[01:10] <Stroganoff> you can change startup services with boot-up manager: sudo apt-get install bum
[01:10] <LetsGo67> It set up my computer to automatically run PPPoEconf on startup
[01:11] <Stroganoff> did you do that manually? if so: revert it! ;D
[01:12] <LetsGo67> Ubuntu 8.04 is supposed to get Vista security?  No, not manual.
[01:12] <Stroganoff> vista security? what is this?
[01:12] <Stroganoff> just purge pppoeconf and see how it goes
[01:12] <LetsGo67> What am I looking for in bum, anyways?
[01:12] <Stroganoff> pppoeconf
[01:13] <Stroganoff> are you kind of dumb or are you just pretending?
[01:13] <LetsGo67> Not there.
[01:13] <Stroganoff> is there nothing with ppp?
[01:13] <Stroganoff> have you purged already? than its gone.
[01:13] <Stroganoff> congrats
[01:13] <LetsGo67> By "Vista security" I mean: instead of running an entire app as root, it is run at user, then later can be run as sudo.
[01:14] <LetsGo67> IE: synaptic and networks.
[01:14] <Stroganoff> LetsGo67: that is default in unix since 1968
[01:14] <LetsGo67> The "security"?
[01:15] <TheSheep> you mean 'policykit'
[01:15] <Stroganoff> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparmor
[01:15] <TheSheep> yes, hardy uses policykit
[01:15] <Stroganoff> whatever dude
[01:15] <LetsGo67> Yes, it's due.  :)
[01:16] <Stroganoff> hehe
[01:16] <LetsGo67> There's this guy who wants an Ubuntu account with no password.  Is that possible?
[01:17] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: yes
[01:17] <LetsGo67> How, TheSheep?
[01:17] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: just enable autologin
[01:17] <TheSheep> actually, no, it will still have password, but he won't need it
[01:17] <TheSheep> in the login window settings
[01:17] <LetsGo67> autologin, self-explanatory?
[01:18] <Stroganoff> is it possible with multiple users in gdm, TheSheep?
[01:18] <Stroganoff> like in xp where you just select a user?
[01:18] <Stroganoff> i'm aware of autologin ONE particular user.
[01:18] <LetsGo67> That's what I'm talking about!  :)
[01:18] <Stroganoff> i'm just asking because i didnt use GDM in a long time
[01:18] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: I'm not sure, I think it's not possible with gdm without some advanced black magic
[01:19] <LetsGo67> Mais où est donc AutoLogin?
[01:19] <Stroganoff> wat?
[01:19] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: the security tab
[01:20] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: 'automatic login'
[01:20] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: right at the top
[01:20] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: in settings->login window settings
[01:20] <LetsGo67> Je ne vois pas ça dans Xubuntu.  Il y a trop d'options sous Applications>Paramètres.
[01:21] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: it may be in 'system' in some versions of xubuntu (can't remember which)
[01:21] <LetsGo67> Non, Xfce est trop simple et il y a plein de bogues.  J'utilise 7.10
[01:21] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: just run 'sudo gdmsetup' from terminal
[01:22] <LetsGo67> Merci.
[01:22] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: btw, je ne parle pas français ;)
[01:23] <LetsGo67> Alors comment comprends-tu!?
[01:23] <Stroganoff> oui!
[01:23] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: well, it's not that hard to guess :)
[01:23] <LetsGo67> "Activer la connexion automatique".  Check that box, type an user... there ya go, Mr. I-don't-want-to-type-a-password!
[01:23] <Stroganoff> and still you managed to find that little cecile
[01:24] <TheSheep> cedille
[01:24] <Stroganoff> k
[01:24] <TheSheep> it's simple: compose , c
[01:24] <Stroganoff> where can i find that compose key?
[01:24] <LetsGo67> He's so used to XP but his Firefox, Thunderbird and OpenOffice.org all run on Ubuntu.
[01:25] <LetsGo67> No but I didn't know this auto login thing it's hard to find it's not obvious.
[01:25] <Stroganoff> haha he will never be able to open up the menu with winkey
[01:25] <LetsGo67> Winkey?
[01:25] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: you can't by default, I have set CapsLock as compose, since I don't use it anyways
[01:25] <Stroganoff> WIN-Key.
[01:25] <Stroganoff> with that sad little logo
[01:25] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: super
[01:25] <LetsGo67> Je teste ça, a+!
[01:25] <Stroganoff> DIAMOND111
[01:25] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: shift, ctrl, super, alt
[01:26] <TheSheep> (or meta, if one prefers, instead of alt)
[01:26] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: Option          "XkbOptions"    "compose:caps"  <-- enables compose key
[01:26] <Stroganoff> TheSheep do you happen to know how much RAM is eaten (not cached) by xubuntu directly after login?
[01:26] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: in your xorg.conf, under keyboard settings
[01:26] <Stroganoff> k thx
[01:27] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: on my installs about 70-80MB
[01:27] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: but I have CUPS disabled, etc.
[01:28] <Stroganoff> k
[01:28] <TheSheep> it's possible to go lower, but I never bothered
[01:29] <Stroganoff> with cups samba etc disabled i'm at 25-30mb
[01:29] <TheSheep> nice
[01:29] <Stroganoff> with my cli-script.
[01:29] <Stroganoff> that is without desktop icons ^^
[01:29] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: no hal, gamin, dbus, etc? :)
[01:29] <Stroganoff> and without network (wifi) manager :/
[01:29] <Stroganoff> WITH hal, gamin dbus thunar-volman etc.
[01:29] <TheSheep> well, xfdesktop takes a lot of ram by itself
[01:30] <TheSheep> especially with icons
[01:30] <TheSheep> and some panel plugins too
[01:30] <Stroganoff> it's that mcs-manager that i'm worriing about
[01:30] <Stroganoff> im not using the panekl
[01:30] <TheSheep> but I can't live without the clipman panel plugin
[01:30] <Stroganoff> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631
[01:30] <Stroganoff> i just wanted to compare
[01:31] <Stroganoff> there's "glipper", features a tray icon?
[01:31] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: you are looking at the 'writable memory' stat, right?
[01:31] <Stroganoff> maybe it's enough for your needs?
[01:31] <TheSheep> no, I'm really used to how clipman does it
[01:31] <Stroganoff> TheSheep, i'm looking at free+cache
[01:32] <Stroganoff> just to be sure i use conky
[01:32] <TheSheep> I actually use some really memory-hungry apps: gajim, sonata
[01:32] <TheSheep> because I find them much more comfortable
[01:33] <TheSheep> and because I have 2GB ram anyways
[01:33] <Stroganoff> thats out of the question
[01:33] <Stroganoff> my light weight desktop doesn't prevent you from using good apps ^^
[01:33] <TheSheep> python apps do tend to be well thought out and rapidly developed
[01:33] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: I'd use gossip and gimmix instead, except they have terrible user interfaces :)
[01:34] <Stroganoff> information overload... *explodes*
[01:35] <TheSheep> a lightweight, fast web browser would be nice
[01:35] <Stroganoff> firefox3 is getting lighter
[01:35] <Stroganoff> opera is currently disabled due to flash
[01:35] <Stroganoff> kazekahase is unusable
[01:35] <Stroganoff> japanese just dont code right.
[01:35] <Stroganoff> it's true!
[01:35] <TheSheep> I know the market pretty well
[01:36] <TheSheep> I actually even started writing my own, but given it up
[01:36] <TheSheep> epiphany with webkit would be interesting
[02:05] <mscdex> how can i stop x once i'm logged in to the desktop in hardy heron?
[02:08] <mscdex> i tried "/etc/init.d/xdm stop" but it tells me command not found
[02:10] <jcgrv06> Hello. Anybody installed xubuntu on a ThinkPad 240?
[02:34] <Stroganoff> jcgrv06 i'd imagine its slow
[02:34] <Stroganoff> jcgrv06 you might be interested in my new mini ubuntu
[02:35] <Stroganoff> its full featured but considerably faster than xubuntu
[02:35] <Stroganoff> quite usable with 64mb ram
[02:35] <Stroganoff> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631
[02:36] <Stroganoff> thats you best shot unless you wanna try gentoo
[02:40] <Stroganoff> jcgrv06 give it a try
[02:43] <jcgrv06> Stragnoff, thanks, but performance isn't a problem. I'm using it right now and it's ok. I have a problem with the screen resolution.
[02:43] <jcgrv06> This card is 1024x768 capable (I get that in Windows 2000) but it won't go over 800x600 in xubuntu
[02:44] <jcgrv06> Got 320MB, memory isn't an issue
[02:44] <Stroganoff> ok
[02:44] <Stroganoff> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[02:44] <Stroganoff> will let you choose more resolutions
[02:45] <jcgrv06> I tried the reconfigure several times. I chose 1024x768 as one of the resolutions. I went from 24 to 16 in pixel depth, but 1024x768 doesn't show
[02:45] <Stroganoff> have you tried xrandr?
[02:46] <jcgrv06> no
[02:46] <Stroganoff> i doubt it would work with xrandr (or grandr)
[02:47] <Stroganoff> what display driver are you using?
[02:47] <jcgrv06> the one xubuntu selected by default for the NeoMagic
[02:49] <Stroganoff> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=257696
[02:49] <Stroganoff> first reply.
[02:50] <Stroganoff> my icewm-desktop is still much faster :p
[02:51] <jcgrv06> Thanks, I'm trying it now. I have edubuntu for the children in an old PC. Just wanted to try xubuntu "as is" on this ThinkPad.
[02:51] <Stroganoff> i will integrate edubuntu into my desktop later
[02:51] <Stroganoff> it's gonna rock
[02:53] <jcgrv06> Thanks,  Stroganoff. I'm restarting X now
[03:41] <bassinboy> snort is not configuring, it hangs on something, is there anyway to remove it?
[04:05] <DrIP> hello all! how can i make a command, open in a terminal window, at login?
[04:06] <DrIP> ahh got it, thanks anyways
[05:14] <charding> is the default package type for ubuntu .deb?
[05:22] <n-iCe> hello why can't I see the title bar in my windows?
[05:22] <n-iCe> hi
[06:32] <n-iCe> how do I install icons themes?
[06:37] <zoredache> !search themes
[06:37] <ubotu> Found: eyecandy, launch-feedback, art, i-candy, wallpaper, changethemes, icandy, themes, theme, superkaramba
[06:37] <zoredache> !themes
[06:37] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:38] <n-iCe> thanks
[06:38] <n-iCe> I tried to drag it but didn't work like on ubuntu
[06:39] <n-iCe> :/
[06:39] <n-iCe> I don't have Click System → Preferences → Theme
[06:39] <n-iCe> what why I am asking
[06:39] <n-iCe> is there any way to open by terminal?
[06:43] <n-iCe> zoredache,  ??
[06:45] <n-iCe> welcome back
[06:45] <n-iCe> I don't have Click System → Preferences → Theme
[06:45] <n-iCe> is there any way to open it on the terminal?
[06:57] <n-iCe> anyone online?
[06:58] <ere4si> what options do you have in the settings manager?
[06:59] <n-iCe> it is in spanish i have the lastest xubuntu version, do you?
[06:59] <n-iCe> Could you tell me the ext location to translate it and look for it, please
[07:03] <ere4si> n-iCe: if your using 8.04 the settings manager is where you change the theme -    settings - settings manager - user interface
[07:15] <n-iCe> ere4si,  sorry
[07:16] <ere4si> k
[07:16] <n-iCe> where do I need to install the themes?
[07:28] <ere4si> /usr/share/themes
[07:32] <n-iCe> I can't grab the folder to that path
[07:32] <n-iCe> :|
[07:57] <ere4si> try gksudo thunar /usr/share/themes
[08:06] <ere4si> n-iCe: ^^
[08:07] <n-iCe> ok
[08:09] <ere4si> n-iCe: get it working?
[08:09] <n-iCe> well
[08:09] <n-iCe> yes
[08:09] <n-iCe> but I don't see the theme intalled in the themes administrator application
[08:09] <n-iCe> it is not there o.O
[08:16] <ere4si> n-iCe: logout and in
[09:24] <mckulk_>  i cant find supported tv cards by ubuntu. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport for looking suported tv card. do i have to look in multimedia sections?
[09:27] <ablomen> mckulk_, youll have more luck looking at the mythtv wiki i think
[09:27] <ablomen> they should have a big list of supported tuner cards over there
[09:27] <ablomen> and *ubuntu should support all/most of them
[11:53] <leche> why do i got 2 nm-applets started everytime, even if i kill 1... shouldnt the session manager recognize this?
[12:03] <LetsGo67> The wireless icon doesn't have two green bulbs anymore!
[12:04] <LetsGo67> It just says 0 bars even when it's not connected!
[12:04] <LetsGo67> What's wrong?
[12:24] <LetsGo67> The wireless icon doesn't have two green bulbs anymore!
[12:24] <LetsGo67> It just says 0 bars even when it's not connected!
[12:24] <LetsGo67> What's wrong?
[12:25] <gabkdlly> hi
[12:25] <LetsGo67> Hi.
[12:26] <LetsGo67> Xubuntu is acting all weird!
[12:26] <gabkdlly> i'm sorry :(
[12:26] <gabkdlly> maybe there are no wireless access points in your immediate vacinity?
[12:29] <gabkdlly> the more specific you can be about your problems, the more likely it is that someone in the channel will be able to help you
[12:46] <LetsGo67> There is.
[12:46] <LetsGo67> Thanks anyways.
[14:55] <gynterk> any ideas about Apacer AS820 mp3 player?
[14:55] <gynterk> Philips GoGear for example works fine, but after connecting miniusb<->usb cable to AS820 it doesn't auto-mount it
[15:01] <gynterk> anyone?
[15:58] <jcgrv06> Hello. Has anybody here installed xubuntu on a ThinkPad 240?
[15:59] <maxamillion> not i
[16:01] <The-Kernel> ASk your question anyways jcgrv06
[16:01] <The-Kernel> We may be able to still help you.
[16:02] <jcgrv06> I installed xubuntu last weekend. I have now dual boot w/W2K. This laptop has a 10.4" screen, 800x600 is native but is capable of 1024x768. I can scroll in Windows just by moving the cursor towards the border.
[16:03] <jcgrv06> xubuntu only allows 800x600. I have reconfigured X, set pixel depth to 16 from 24 and added 1024x768 as a valid resolution, but didn't help.
[16:03] <jcgrv06> I haven't tried an external monitor yet, but it'd be nice if it behaved like in W2K
[16:04] <The-Kernel> what driver is installed, and what video card do you have?
[16:04] <Iskr> does the video card use shared memory?
[16:04] <jcgrv06> Driver is the default one for NeoMagic 128
[16:04] <jcgrv06> No, videocard has 2MB dedicated
[16:04] <Iskr> ongly 2mb?
[16:04] <Iskr> maybe it needs more
[16:04] <The-Kernel> haha
[16:04] <Iskr> try to assign more memory
[16:04] <The-Kernel> hey, 2 mb works.
[16:05] <Iskr> well in my case it needed 16 mb
[16:05] <The-Kernel> I'm using abotu that much right now
[16:05] <Iskr> to show 1024x768
[16:05] <jcgrv06> no, there is no way to assign more memory. 1024x768 + 16M is possible in Windows
[16:05] <jcgrv06> Probably this is a limitation in xubuntu
[16:05] <The-Kernel> jcgrv06 have you looked in the BIOS?
[16:05] <Iskr> jcgrv06, it is possible
[16:05] <Iskr> i did it
[16:06] <jcgrv06> Same BIOS lets me boot in W2K w/1024x768
[16:06] <Iskr> TheSheep,
[16:06] <Iskr> how it was that command
[16:06] <Iskr> for reconfiguring X?
[16:06] <The-Kernel> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[16:06] <jcgrv06> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xconf.org-server
[16:06] <jcgrv06> :)
[16:06] <The-Kernel> or xserver-xorg
[16:07] <The-Kernel> can't ever remember which one it is
[16:07] <jcgrv06> I tried several times. I need to try with an external monitor
[16:07] <jcgrv06> 800x600 is too limited, I can't see the Apply / Cancel buttons sometimes
[16:08] <ablomen> xserver-xorg
[16:08] <ablomen> ah The-Kernel already said that, didnt read that ;)
[16:08] <jcgrv06> yes, I went through the motions, messing up the settings (it defaulted to Alsa) and manage to put it the way it was.
[16:09] <The-Kernel> I don't know about you, but the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure xconf.org-server doesn't even work for me
[16:09] <Iskr> maybe it's this!
[16:09] <Iskr> =D
[16:09] <The-Kernel> jcgrv06 did you assign it 16 mb of memory?
[16:14] <jcgrv06> no, I didn't. But again, Windows drivers allow me to scroll around with 2MB. You need 1024x768*2 bytes = 1,572,864 bytes = 1.5MB
[16:16] <Iskr> well
[16:16] <Iskr> maybe more video memory is necessary for other reasons
[16:16] <Iskr> and maybe windows assigns it wighout letting you knwo
[16:17] <jcgrv06> no, because 1024x768 is unavailable if you go to 24 pixel depth
[16:17] <jcgrv06> that'd go over 2MB
[16:22] <TheSheep> jcgrv06: you can enable scrolling by adding the 'virtual' option to your xorg.conf
[16:22] <TheSheep> jcgrv06: see 'man xorg.conf' for details
[16:27] <jcgrv06> Thanks, TheSheep. I will try that
[16:28] <jcgrv06> Also, I'm getting approx. half the speed with my wireless card.
[16:28] <jcgrv06> than with Windows. Perhaps I should use ndiswrapper to wrap the Windows driver?
[16:29] <TheSheep> no idea
[16:32] <jcgrv06> has anybody compared xubuntu's desktop performance with other ubuntu derivatives?
[16:35] <TheSheep> jcgrv06: how wuld you measure that?
[16:35] <TheSheep> jcgrv06: the computational performance is identical, as they are based on the same core
[16:36] <jcgrv06> Overall responsiveness. Boot time, time it takes to open File Manager and navigate
[16:36] <n-iCe> how do I update my video drivers??
[16:41] <TheSheep> n-iCe: except for some proprietary drivers, they are all shipped with the kernel/xorg
[16:41] <TheSheep> n-iCe: so they are updated with the whole system
[16:44] <jcgrv06> One thing I missed right away w/Thuran was the search capability and Recent documents. It seems it's only available from the open / save as dialog box. Am I missing something?
[16:45] <TheSheep> jcgrv06: you can add the 'places' plugin to have a list of recent documents
[16:45] <TheSheep> jcgrv06: search is done with separate programs, like catfish
[16:46] <jcgrv06> Thanks, TheSheep
[16:47] <jcgrv06> That's why I was asking about the performance difference between xubuntu & edubuntu, for example. edubuntu comes with it already, but it uses the gnome desktop manager
[16:53] <TheSheep> jcgrv06: yeah, Nautilus is pretty bloated with features
[16:55] <n-iCe> can someone help me?
[16:55] <n-iCe> Where do I get themes and how do I install them?
[16:55] <TheSheep> n-iCe: try http://xfce-look.org
[16:56] <TheSheep> n-iCe: you unpack them to the .themes directory in your home
[16:56] <n-iCe> I downloaded one, but I couldn't get it work :<
[16:56] <n-iCe> The-Kernel,  that's all?
[16:56] <TheSheep> create this directory if it doesn't exist yet
[16:56] <TheSheep> yes, after that the theme should appear in the user interface settings or window manager settings, depending on what kind of theme it is
[16:59] <n-iCe> how do I remove a program?
[16:59] <n-iCe> apt-get remove program ?
[16:59] <TheSheep> yes, or use synaptic
[16:59] <n-iCe> thanks
[17:01] <n-iCe> TheSheep,  I did but the program folder is still there
[17:01] <n-iCe> :|
[17:02] <TheSheep> program folder?
[17:02] <n-iCe> rm -r ~/.wine did the trick
[17:03] <TheSheep> you should have said you meant a windows program installed with wine
[17:03] <TheSheep> now run winecfg to recreate it
[17:06] <n-iCe> TheSheep, Ok thanks
[17:06] <n-iCe> Now, how do I open a folder with root privileges?
[17:06] <n-iCe> Because I can¡t extract the icon theme to the themes folder :\
[17:06] <n-iCe> by the way it is on /usr/shared/themes is it correct TheSheep ?
[17:11] <TheSheep> n-iCe: icon themes are stored in .icons in your home directory or in /usr/share/icons
[17:12] <TheSheep> n-iCe: you shouldn't modify the global ones, juts make a copy in your home
[17:12] <TheSheep> all your changes would be lost on update
[17:13] <n-iCe> I can't create a folder on home
[17:14] <TheSheep> n-iCe: you can't create a directory in your own home directory?
[17:14] <TheSheep> how so?
[17:14] <n-iCe> the "create folder" is like blocked in grey
[17:14] <TheSheep> what's the error?
[17:15] <TheSheep> n-iCe: your home directory is /home/yourusername
[17:15] <n-iCe> ooh I thought just /home/
[17:15] <n-iCe> Ok done, do I need to name it: .icons , right?
[17:17] <n-iCe> thanks
[17:17] <n-iCe> worked
[17:39] <n-iCe> TheSheep, I see in my menu a submenu called others, where can I find it on the terminal, what's the path any ideA?
[18:07] <n-iCe> I can't eject my cdrom, says error, how can I force it?????
[18:08] <zoredache> is it still mounted?  it anything using files on the drive?
[18:09] <n-iCe> I don't think so
[18:09] <n-iCe> I can't unmount
[18:09] <zoredache> I have found on many occasions that thunar seems still be using something even if there are no open windows....
[18:09] <n-iCe> says it is busy
[18:10] <n-iCe> how can I stop it?
[18:10] <zoredache> I usually do a 'killall Thunar'
[18:10] <n-iCe> killall Thunar ?
[18:10] <zoredache> at a terminal or in a 'alt-f2' run prompt
[18:25] <n-iCe> zoredache,  ok I rebooted
[18:26] <zoredache> ah, well that must have solved it
[18:28] <n-iCe> Grr but when I try to install the game, and ask me for the disc number to the same, I can't reject the disc number 1 :<
[18:29] <n-iCe> any idea on what to do?
[18:51] <n-iCe> is back
[18:51]  * Stroganoff too
[19:16] <n-iCe> rebooting, brb
[19:30] <Banan_wii> hey
[19:30] <gaurdro>    hello
[19:30] <Banan_wii> i cant install themes ... :/
[19:30] <Banan_wii> simple problem
[19:31] <Banan_wii> i tried ~/.themes adn /usr/share/themes
[19:31] <Banan_wii> wheeeere to put that ****** package?
[19:32] <gaurdro> where are you installing themes from?
[19:33] <Banan_wii> xfce-look.org
[19:33] <Banan_wii> so?
[19:35] <Banan_wii> i got package tar.gz
[19:35] <Banan_wii> unpacked
[19:36] <Banan_wii> and i have folder with lots of *.xpm
[19:36] <Banan_wii> and 1 themerc file
[19:36] <Banan_wii> its good theme folder?
[19:37] <Banan_wii> plz help
[19:37] <Banan_wii> hey guys any1 there ?? i have xubuntu 6.06 LTS
[19:37] <zoredache> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=227416&highlight=xfce+xubuntu
[19:37] <zoredache> !patients
[19:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about patients - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:38] <Banan_wii> http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/NNM-NG?content=60643
[19:38] <Banan_wii> i want this
[19:38] <gaurdro> in 7.10 it is /usr/share/themes/
[19:39] <zoredache> !patience
[19:39] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[19:39] <Banan_wii> i have folder /usr/share/themes
[19:39] <Banan_wii> there are other themes
[19:39] <gaurdro> make sure you can write to the directory you're putting the themes in.
[19:39] <Banan_wii> i unpacked it into this folder from root
[19:40] <gaurdro> look at the contents of themerc, it may contain information about what themes are installed or give a hint as to what to do to get xubuntu to recognize the themes.
[19:40] <gaurdro> it may be as simple as <ctrl>-<alt>-<Backspace>
[19:41] <Banan_wii> hmm i think i know what might be the prob
[19:41] <Banan_wii> give me 5 sec i will write result
[19:43] <Banan_wii> ...
[19:47] <Banan_wii> ok
[19:47] <Banan_wii> it works
[19:47] <Banan_wii> thx for all
[19:47] <gaurdro> and your solution was?
[19:47] <Banan_wii> do it carefully
[19:48] <Banan_wii> and <ctlr><alt><bksp>
[19:48] <gaurdro> ...
[19:48] <Banan_wii> :D
[19:48] <gaurdro> now a question,  do you know what  <ctlr><alt><bksp> actually does?
[19:48] <Banan_wii> yes
[19:48] <Banan_wii> it resets graphical interface and session
[19:49] <gaurdro> yes,  the underlying command to it is to restart the xserver.
[19:50] <Banan_wii> hehe
[19:50] <Banan_wii> but u know whats the most phunny thing?
[19:51] <Banan_wii> i figured out that i want to change UI rather than theme :]
[19:51] <Banan_wii> they are hard to tell apart from newbie :)
[19:54] <Banan_wii> BTW how to add new icons?
[19:54] <Banan_wii> is there /icons/ folder?
[19:54] <gaurdro> there's a wonderful command for searching from the terminal.
[19:55] <gaurdro> to index the computer you type  'sudo slocate -d'
[19:55] <gaurdro> the to search for something type 'sudo slocate anything'
[19:55] <gaurdro> you may have to install it using apt-get.
[19:55] <Banan_wii> hey -d dont work
[19:55] <gaurdro> oops,  sorry it's -u.
[19:55] <zoredache> you shouldn't need to use sudo to search for something...
[19:56] <Banan_wii> ok indexing
[19:56] <gaurdro> slocate checks permissions and won't display anything you can't get to,  on my computer it won't display anything I can't write to.
[19:57] <gaurdro> and you need it to run the drive indexing regardless of how it's setup.
[19:57] <Banan_wii> WoW !!
[19:57] <Banan_wii> its really fast
[19:57] <Banan_wii> gr8 tool
[19:59] <Banan_wii> BTW is "sudo thunar" safe?
[19:59] <zoredache> !enter
[19:59] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[20:00] <Banan_wii> ok
[20:00] <zoredache> it is as safe as the user behind it.  You can completely trash your OS with a single incorrect operation
[20:01] <Banan_wii> but not really unsafer than su -?
[20:02] <zoredache> it is all the same really...  su, sudo, gksu, whatever you are running will have root permissions (unless you specified something else)
[20:03] <Banan_wii> kk
[20:03] <Banan_wii> another question
[20:03] <Banan_wii> is it needed to do CTRLALTBKSP after copying new fonts to see it?
[20:04] <gaurdro> probably,  I think the xserver only reads the font directory on startup
[20:04] <Banan_wii> so yes?
[20:05] <Banan_wii> hmm i can see it in openoffice
[20:07] <gaurdro> I dunno,  I would open openoffice and see if it can see the new fonts
[20:13] <Banan_wii> i need them for system ...
[20:13] <Banan_wii> its still /usr/share/fonts/?
[20:20] <TheSheep> Banan_wii: you need to put them into the .fonts directory in your home and run 'fc-cache' in terminal
[20:20] <Banan_wii> it cant be /usr/share/fonts?
[20:21] <TheSheep> it can
[20:21] <Banan_wii> ok
[20:21] <Banan_wii> thx
[20:21] <TheSheep> but it's not nice to have to run root commands every time you want to add a font
[20:21] <Banan_wii> why?
[20:22] <Banan_wii> np for me
[20:22] <TheSheep> every time you run a command as root a little penguin dies ;)
[20:22] <gaurdro> /usr/share/*  is generally for system wide things but if you only have a single user equivalent folders are in your home directory.
[20:22] <Banan_wii> :D
[20:22] <TheSheep> no eally, you will make a mistkae one time and break your system
[20:22] <Banan_wii> omg what a cool text :)
[20:23] <Banan_wii> hmm i must think about sort of Time Machine then :D
[20:23] <TheSheep> sorry, tired
[20:24] <Banan_wii> hey which is the name of first usb mass storage?
[20:26] <Banan_wii> and whats the name of FAT if i want to use mount -t?
[20:27] <Banan_wii> oh drop it then i will just run winXP ... still left on my HD
[20:27] <Banan_wii> bye
[20:37] <gaurdro> I'm soo glad my testing machine has an excellent internet connection,  I've averaged 100 updates per day running hardy beta.
[20:53] <Annirak> How do I determine which update is requiring a reboot before I reboot?
[20:54] <PsynoKhi0> you should get a message when you need to
[20:54] <PsynoKhi0> the orange update icon turns into 2 round arrows
[20:54] <PsynoKhi0> usually, only kernel updates
[20:55] <Annirak> PsynoKhi0: I know that I need to restart.  But I want to know what caused it.
[20:55] <PsynoKhi0> oh oops
[20:55] <PsynoKhi0> WHICH udpate
[20:55] <Annirak> Kernel and libc updates normally, I know.
[20:55] <PsynoKhi0> ok read too fast, as usual...
[20:55] <Annirak> Eh, happens
[20:57] <PsynoKhi0> Annirak: yup... only unusually often in my case :|
[20:57] <PsynoKhi0> some language files can do that too
[20:58] <TheSheep> Annirak: you don't have to reboot after the update
[20:58] <TheSheep> Annirak: it just won't take effect unti you do
[20:58] <Annirak> TheSheep: Ok, but how do I see a list of packages which are calling for the restart?
[20:59] <TheSheep> Annirak: I don't think you can easily
[20:59] <theron> from the live CD, is there a CLI installer that I can use after the cd has booted up?
[20:59] <theron> I can't seem to get X running on the live cd.
[20:59] <TheSheep> theron: no, use the alternate cd for that
[20:59] <theron> TheSheep: ok thx.
[21:07] <x9x> hi
[21:09] <TheSheep> hello x9x
[21:10] <x9x> are there a page somewhere that lists what components xubuntu is made of?
[21:10] <x9x> hi TheSheep
[21:11] <x9x> more detailed than that is use xfce4 instead of gnome ?
[21:12] <TheSheep> x9x: you can look at the deps of the xubuntu-desktop package at packages.ubuntu.com
[21:13] <TheSheep> x9x: that's 1st hand info
[21:13] <TheSheep> x9x: it changes from version to version
[21:15] <x9x> aha
[21:23] <slimjimflim> hi, wondering if anybody knows anything about audio not working w/ adobe flash player
[21:24] <slimjimflim> it's really starting to become a drag
[21:25] <x9x> hmm...  how do I do that? when I search for xubuntu-desktop in the packages.ubuntu.com webpage I get to http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/xubuntu-desktop
[21:25] <x9x> am I at the right place then?
[21:25] <zoredache> x9x: yes
[21:25] <x9x> ok
[21:26] <slimjimflim> ....tried reinstalling flash and it happens on konqueror too
[21:26] <slimjimflim> and my mixer
[21:26] <slimjimflim> xfce-mixer or something
[21:27] <x9x> ...and the packages with the red dot ("beror" in swedish) is the deps?
[21:27] <x9x> is there a way to see that page in english btw?
[21:27] <slimjimflim> altavista.com can translate, x9x
[21:28] <zoredache> x9x: it is in english (for me), I suspect you may need to set the language in your browser
[21:28] <x9x> oups.. I found a link to english at the bottom of the page :-}
[21:30] <zoredache> x9x: yes, the red dot indicates required packages
[21:30] <x9x> the green ones, "recommends" is allso installed when I install xubuntu I guess?
[21:31] <zoredache> it depends on how you install, but yes you usually get the reccomended packages as well
[21:31] <x9x> something that whould be very nice is a table that compares xubuntu with fluxbuntu and normal ubuntu
[21:32] <x9x> aha
[21:32] <slimjimflim> what's fluxbuntu?
[21:33] <gaurdro> a flavor of ubuntu that uses fluxbox as it's window manager.
[21:33] <zoredache> I suspect that table would be really long, but it wouldn't be very hard to generate with a little scripting...
[21:33] <x9x> is is supposed to need less memory than xubuntu.
[21:34] <slimjimflim> ya, that's what it looks like from the fluxbox wiki
[21:35] <x9x> zoredache : yeah I guess a ubuntu-xubuntu side-by-side page should be somewhat easy to make with scripts. but I don't know if fluxbuntu have these kind of info
[21:35] <zoredache> sure, it should be available just as easily
[21:36] <x9x> btw, ehat do xubuntu do If I try do run it on a computer with too little memory? say only 100Mb... do it try anyway or protest?
[21:36] <x9x> *what
[21:36] <zoredache> you might have to use apt-cache to get get your lists, but all the information is easily available
[21:36] <x9x> ok
[21:36] <x9x> oh.. now it is time for tea. see you later.
[21:37] <zoredache> some services may not start, and you would probably get a huge ammount of disk thrashing from swap
[21:44] <asker> does anyone know where the X settings in failsafe are stored?
[21:46] <asker> I have looked in the Xorg.conf and all the hidden files. but I cant find it anywhere.
[21:47] <asker> the reason I ask is because the HW acceleration works like a charm in failsafe, but not any other login options.
[21:48] <zoredache> you might try a locate xorg.conf
[21:48] <asker> ok
[21:48] <asker> /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
[21:48] <asker> /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.roster
[21:48] <asker> /usr/share/man/man5/xorg.conf.5.gz
[21:48] <asker> /usr/share/xresprobe/xorg.conf
[21:48] <asker> /usr/share/displayconfig-gtk/xorg.conf.fallback
[21:48] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071209155839
[21:48] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-0
[21:48] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20080218100846
[21:48] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071209172612
[21:48] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.1
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.deb
[21:49] <zoredache> !pastebin > asker
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.new
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.reconfigure
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.what
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071203193142
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf~
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071209160239
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071209155810
[21:49] <asker> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071209155918
[21:49] <asker> ok
[21:49] <asker> 1 sec
[21:49] <asker> !pastebin
[21:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[21:49] <zoredache> do that again... anyway look ath the filenames... on looks like it may be the failsafe
[21:50] <asker> ok
[21:50] <zoredache> don't* I mean...
[21:51] <asker> i know
[21:54] <slimjimflim> to continue what i was saying before about flash audio not working, here's an error i get when i run firefox->youtube as root from a shell:
[21:54] <slimjimflim> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[21:54] <slimjimflim> any ideas?
[21:54] <gaurdro> try not running it as root
[21:57] <slimjimflim> guardro, it does the same for an unpriv. user
[21:57] <slimjimflim> i was just doing that b/c i only get the error as root
[21:57] <slimjimflim> i'm assuming it's the same error, just not being printed to std out
[21:58] <gaurdro> maybe, maybe not,  a lot of program complain when they're run from root.  Alsa may be one of these (I'm not sure).
[21:58] <gaurdro> how did you install flash?
[22:36] <j1> Hi, everybody (particulary Stroganoff), I've something stupid but potentially useful to tell: The default shortcut key for the "popup menu" (Applications menu) in xfce is ctrl-esc. It didn't work for me, except in some rare occasions. I've been suffering from that for moths. Now I discovered the trick: the esc key has to be pressed in a very short flash on my laptop (toshiba A50), otherwise it repeats the esc, and hides the menu so
[22:37] <Stroganoff> lol
[22:38] <PsynoKhi0> besides /etc/init.d/networking restart, dhclient, and ifconfig, what toys do I have to get my roaming mode wired connection to work when I plug the cable after logging in Xubuntu?
[22:38] <TheSheep> !wifi
[22:38] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[22:38] <PsynoKhi0> ?
[22:38] <TheSheep> ah, sorry, misread
[22:38] <crimsun> PsynoKhi0: networt-manager
[22:38] <PsynoKhi0> :)
[22:39] <crimsun> network, of course
[22:39] <PsynoKhi0> crimsun: through the applet?
[22:39] <crimsun> PsynoKhi0: sure.
[22:39] <PsynoKhi0> tried manual configuration > dhcp... do the 3 fields below that need to be filled accordingly?
[22:43] <Stroganoff> yeah "slim" eats the double amount of ram as xdm does
[22:43] <Stroganoff> but xdm is broken in hardy
[22:44] <Stroganoff> crap
[22:48] <crimsun> PsynoKhi0: you shouldn't use manual configuration if you want "roaming" for wired.
[22:48] <crimsun> PsynoKhi0: (it's akin to setting the ifaces through /etc/network/interfaces, which disables network-manager's handling of those ifaces)
[22:49] <PsynoKhi0> crimsun: probably not... however roaming mode isn't very cooperative if I plug in the network cable once logged in xubuntu
[22:49] <PsynoKhi0> I get no IP address
[22:50] <crimsun> PsynoKhi0: hmm, that hasn't been my experience.  If you tail -F /var/log/daemon.log, do you see dhclient at work for that iface?
[22:51] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: check your dhcp server's logs
[22:54] <PsynoKhi0> brb
[23:21] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, add -devel to your autojoin ;]
[23:22] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: i don't have an autojoin
[23:22] <maxamillion> just not used to typing -devel
[23:22] <cody-somerville> :)
[23:23] <theron> 1st time using the alternate installer, I'm trying to install on a system built around http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ex10000eg and the harddrive is a serial ATA notebook drive.  It's not detecting what HD I'm using, any guesses?
[23:23] <theron> I've no idea where to even start looking for that.
[23:24] <maxamillion> theron: that's odd ... sata normally has no problems being detected
[23:26] <oliver_g_> hi again
[23:26] <oliver_g_> anyone seen Stroganoff around?
[23:26] <cody-somerville> He left 30 minutes ago.
[23:26] <zoredache> I saw him last at about 50 minutes ago in thsi channel
[23:27] <oliver_g_> pity
[23:27] <oliver_g_> I have finally got a minimal Gutsy system set up on an SD card for the eee pc
[23:28] <oliver_g_> guess I will try his icebuntu scripts according to the readme :-)
[23:29] <theron> maxamillion:  so I'm stuck atm the regular install fails to start X in any fashion on this system, and the alternate installer fails to detect the HD.
[23:30] <maxamillion> interesting
[23:33] <PsynoKhi0> back... ok now on the cuplrit laptop
[23:34] <PsynoKhi0> without cable plugged in during boot: nothing in tail -F /var/log/daemon.log about the dhclient
[23:35] <PsynoKhi0> with cable plugged in: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 yadayada
[23:41] <PsynoKhi0> TheSheep: what kind of stuff should I look for in the dhcp logs? (dhcp.leases, right?)
[23:43] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: first check if the server get the request, then check if it sends a response
[23:43] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: then make sure the response is accepted
[23:43] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: you can make sure it's your computer by checking the MAC address
[23:44] <quittt> hello
[23:44] <quittt> do you know what can I do to make my Xubuntu lighter?
[23:44] <TheSheep> quittt: what is the problem exactly?
[23:45] <quittt> sometimes my system slowssss down
[23:45] <quittt> I have 128 RAM
[23:45] <Twilt> Hi
[23:45] <PsynoKhi0> quittt: what are you trying to run whe it slows down?
[23:46] <quittt> SeaMonkey, for example
[23:46] <TheSheep> quittt: I'd start with disbling the services you don't use
[23:46] <quittt> actually, Windows is faster than Ubuntu
[23:46] <Twilt> WHAT!!!
[23:46] <quittt> and how do I see it?
[23:46] <TheSheep> quittt: system->services
[23:46] <Twilt> xp is slow
[23:46] <PsynoKhi0> quittt: how big is your swap?
[23:46] <TheSheep> quittt: you can have more detailed view y=uisng the boot up manager
[23:46] <Twilt> ...but i still use it sometimes
[23:47] <TheSheep> !boot
[23:47] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[23:47] <quittt> PsynoKhi0: about 350 megabytes
[23:51] <quittt> it is very annoying =/
[23:51] <PsynoKhi0> you could try an even lighter windows manager :) I used iceWM before upgrading my RAM... but even so stuff like OpenOffice just wasn't all that fast to load up and use
[23:51] <quittt> iceWM
[23:51] <quittt> argh
[23:51] <PsynoKhi0> some apps jsut won't feel that responsive with 128MB
[23:51] <quittt> I tried to use it
[23:52] <PsynoKhi0> or enlightenment
[23:52] <PsynoKhi0> fluxbox...
[23:53] <quittt> argh
[23:53] <quittt> fluxbox is light
[23:53] <quittt> but is not a desktop
[23:53] <PsynoKhi0> TheSheep: uh btw what are the dhcp logs called?
[23:54] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: no idea, I have them in /var/log/everything anyways ;)
[23:54] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: but that's custom
[23:54] <quittt> I've installed Bum
[23:54] <PsynoKhi0> eeeeeeh
[23:54] <quittt> running it
[23:56] <PsynoKhi0> quittt: and enlightenment?
[23:56] <quittt> Bum takes a long time to open, doesn't it?
[23:57] <quittt> sudo sum
[23:57] <quittt> sudo bum