[00:15] <Pici> Can someone unmute ubotu in -bugs
[00:15] <Pici> And -devel
[00:15] <Pici> er, -motu
[00:16] <PriceChild> i can do motu
[00:16] <PriceChild> if ic an find it
[00:23] <mneptok> http://carmina.ytmnd.com
[00:23] <mneptok> (allow it to load, then refresh from cache for audio/video sync)
[00:31] <ubotu> In ubotu, angusb said: :: Hi angusb is away right now
[02:59] <crdlb> fyi, I just kicked AstroDanule from #compiz-fusion and he came back with some not-so-nice language
[03:00] <LjL> will keep in mind
[03:11] <ubotu> Amaranth called the ops in #ubuntuforums ()
[03:17] <jdong> Amaranth: I edited the thread title to use more caps and stuff ;-)
[03:17] <Amaranth> cool
[03:27] <tritium> Jack_Sparrow: you're too slow ;)
[03:27] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[03:29] <Jack_Sparrow> I had already typed tyler and had to edit while you got him
[03:30] <tritium> sorry :)
[03:34] <Jack_Sparrow> tritium, Are you in offtopic.. polishpaul  was not happy about no-root
[03:35] <tritium> Jack_Sparrow: no, I'm not.  Want me to join?
[03:35] <Jack_Sparrow> please check on it..
[03:35] <tritium> Looks like he's gone.
[03:35] <Jack_Sparrow> np..
[03:36] <tritium> I'll try to watch
[03:48] <Amaranth> jdong: how do i link a forum thread to a bug report?
[03:48] <Amaranth> or do people just post that bold crap manually?
[03:49] <jdong> Amaranth: apparently if you hit reply there hsould be a textbox near the bottom for you to supply that
[03:49] <tritium> Jack_Sparrow: now I remember why I don't regularly stay in #ubuntu-offtopic...
[03:50] <Amaranth> jdong: not for me, i guess
[03:50] <jdong> :(
[03:52] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[03:56] <nickrud> can't imagine what anyone could find objectionable about offtopic
[03:57] <tritium> nickrud: good, you can watch the channel then ;)
[03:57]  * nickrud is not an op there (and that is _NOT_ a hint)
[03:58] <tritium> heh
[04:44]  * tritium parts #ubuntu-offtopic (I can't stand it anymore!)
[04:49]  * PriceChild looks in
[05:09] <tritium> blind: who is your friend?
[05:10] <blind> nick is Damon, possibly Tramd.. want me to get his mask?
[05:10] <tritium> okay
[05:10] <tritium> @btlogin
[05:11] <tritium> What's going on with the bantracker?
[05:13] <tritium> blind: no need, I found it in the logs
[05:13] <blind> oh, good.
[05:13] <tritium> blind: and if he has no idea why he's banned, he's a fool
[05:13] <blind> oh god.
[05:15] <PriceChild> tritium: ubotu's been down lately. All should be well now however.
[05:15] <tritium> PriceChild: thanks, there it is.
[05:15] <blind> tritium: sorry, he said 'dunno'
[05:15] <blind> and then after i came here he announced why
[05:16] <blind> thanks, though :P
[05:16] <tritium> blind: he knows why
[05:17] <blind> yeah, he certainly does.
[05:17] <blind> just a misunderstanding on my part.
[05:18] <tritium> blind: see http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/03/13/%23ubuntu.html, look around 04:13.  You'll see what he said.
[05:22] <tritium> blind: anything else?
[05:27] <blind> no.
[07:36] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, SNuxoll said: !freenas is a FreeBSD-based NAS (Network Attached Storage) server, and can serve your files via NFS, CIFS/SMB, AFP, FTP, and SCP/SFTP.  Learn more at http://freenas.org
[07:36] <Myrtti> !freenas
[07:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about freenas - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:36] <Myrtti> hmmm
[07:36] <Myrtti> @login
[07:36] <ubotu> OK
[07:37] <Myrtti> !freenas is a FreeBSD-based NAS (Network Attached Storage) server, and can serve your files via NFS, CIFS/SMB, AFP, FTP, and SCP/SFTP.  Learn more at http://freenas.org
[07:37] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Myrtti said: !freenas is a FreeBSD-based NAS (Network Attached Storage) server, and can serve your files via NFS, CIFS/SMB, AFP, FTP, and SCP/SFTP.  Learn more at http://freenas.org
[07:37] <Myrtti> okies
[07:37] <Myrtti> had to try though
[08:31]  * Myrtti cuts down irc usage
[10:12] <ubotu> ArthurArchnix called the ops in #ubuntu (waltterilepisto)
[10:12] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu (waltterilepisto)
[12:47] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-uk, DonaldShimoda said: ubotu, my idea is installa the 64 bits version on the SAME machine and reinstalalte ALL the packages i actually have
[12:47] <jussi01> !bot > DonaldShimoda
[12:51] <Seeker`> where is .ar?
[12:51] <PriceChild> Seeker`: argentina?
[12:51] <jussi01> aregentina...
[12:51] <jussi01> yes
[12:52] <PriceChild> People in that libc6 breakage thread on the forums don't even know what alphas are, complaining ubuntu shouldn't call pre-release versions alpha.
[12:52]  * Seeker` facedesked when he read that
[12:53] <jussi01> what???? LOL, thats the funniest thing of the day for me...
[12:57] <PriceChild> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_hardy_libc6_is_broken/ - WTF?! Who thought that was a good idea? :/
[12:57] <PriceChild> 'Quick, lets get it to front page of digg so all the hardy alpha testers will see it before they upgrade
[12:58] <PriceChild> (Submitted *after* the file was made un-downloadable)
[12:58] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: uh, hwat?
[12:58] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: hmm?
[12:58] <Hobbsee> [23:52] <PriceChild> People in that libc6 breakage thread on the forums don't even know what alphas are, complaining ubuntu shouldn't call pre-release versions alpha.
[12:59]  * Seeker` wonders why we get agrentinians asking for support in -uk
[12:59] <jussi01> hehe
[12:59] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: what are they suggesting they get called?
[12:59] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: I'm not sure, but something how there should be one alpha, right before the beta, right at the end.
[12:59] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: donotuse's, or something?  the release notes already tell you not to use them on production systems!
[12:59] <PriceChild> (and only one)
[13:00] <PriceChild> (and shouldn't break)
[13:00] <jussi01> you should need a lp account to get the alphas...
[13:01] <Seeker`> i think they are complaining because previous released had "herd" or "tribe", which *definately* weren't alphas </sarcasm>
[13:02] <Pici> jussi01: you must not see all the me-too spam on LP lately
[13:02] <PriceChild> yeah that's another variation i've seen Seeker`
[13:02] <Seeker`> And now ubuntu has suddenly decided to use "alpha" instead of "<insert group noun here>"
[13:02] <mc44> "I disagree in that Ubuntu (and Linux) has been in development for too many years for a "re-install" type bug to be introduced"
[13:02]  * mc44 giggles
[13:02]  * PriceChild is in a bad mood
[13:02] <Seeker`> PriceChild: because of the digg /stupidity thing?
[13:03]  * jussi01 hands PriceChild a blue pill
[13:04] <Pici> noooo
[13:04] <PriceChild> no no, unrelated
[13:04] <PriceChild> silly to get in a bad mood because of things on the intarwebs
[13:04]  * Hobbsee watches one of the guy's spit the dummy over testing
[13:04] <PriceChild> silly to get in a bad mood
[13:05] <Hobbsee> jussi01: they're too easy to get
[13:05] <Seeker`> PriceChild: Ah, I hope whatever has gotten you in a bad mood stops soon :)
[13:05] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: just lock the thread.
[13:06] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: wanna post a closing statement?
[13:06] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: not overly.  just lock it anyway, and say it's been fixed.
[13:06] <Hobbsee> cjwatson has some stuff about how to fix it, too
[13:06] <PriceChild> its been fixed?
[13:07] <PriceChild> hehe look at the warning at the top of http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=305
[13:07] <Pici> So they say, but not pushed to the repos yet (or built?)
[13:07] <Pici> Hobbsee: I asked cjwatson to ping me or another op to put his workaround into the #ubuntu+1 topic
[13:08] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure if he's finished it yet
[13:08] <Hobbsee> the bad one got locked
[13:08] <Hobbsee> the new one hasn't built yet
[13:08] <Pici> No, I know he hasnt finished it yet :)
[13:08] <Pici> I didnt check the build status, just saw the note on the bug#
[13:09] <PriceChild> closed it... will make my fishfinger sandwiches then post something
[13:09] <Seeker`> PriceChild: eww, fish fingers are 'orrible
[13:11] <TheSheep> fish have no fingers, they must be artifical or something...
[13:11] <Hobbsee> Pici: it's kinda hard to build if the current glibc is broken...
[13:14] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: the buildds pick up the libc6 update?
[13:14] <PriceChild> *picked
[13:15] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: likely.
[13:17] <Hobbsee> wait
[13:17] <Hobbsee> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+builds?build_text=glibc&build_state=all
[13:17] <Hobbsee> most are done.
[13:22] <Hobbsee> just implement fist-over-IP protocol.
[13:22] <Pici> if only
[13:24] <Hobbsee> or a new css theme, or something.
[13:24] <Seeker`> its worrying how much people require a long trip on the clue train
[13:24] <Seeker`> s/much/many
[13:25] <Pici> sigh
[13:25] <Pici> Maybe we should put more caps in !hardy
[13:26] <Seeker`> !hardy
[13:26] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[13:27] <Seeker`> hmm
[13:27] <Seeker`> colours are the answer :D
[13:27] <Pici> We need <marquee><blink> tags
[13:28] <Seeker`> and a <spork_in_face>
[13:28] <TheSheep> W H I T E S P A C E
[13:28] <TheSheep> :D
[13:28] <PriceChild> Double spacing.
[13:28] <Seeker`> figlet / toilet
[13:28] <PriceChild> (as in between lines, not letters)
[13:28] <PriceChild> figlet!
[13:28] <TheSheep> * W * H * I * T * E * S * P * A * C * E *
[13:28] <Pici> banner
[13:30] <Seeker`> hmm, uni time
[13:31] <Hobbsee> yay, figlet!
[13:31] <Pici> /echo -o banner hardy is alpha
[13:32] <Seeker`> even better, cowsay
[13:33]  * PriceChild resists
[13:34] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: you can pipe cowsay into figlet.  or the other way around.
[13:34] <Hobbsee> this is the kind of thing you learn while at UDS.
[13:34] <PriceChild> :D
[13:35] <Pici> hmm... cowsay `banner $text`
[13:36] <PriceChild> grrr east-coast mainline trains are down... adding 2 hours  to journeys because of 'high wind'
[13:36] <PriceChild> 'high wind' breaking the lines... this is England!
[13:37] <PriceChild> at least it'll all be back for when i go
[13:40] <Seeker`> PriceChild: where are you headed?
[13:41] <PriceChild> home home
[13:41] <PriceChild> for a few days at least
[13:42] <Seeker`> where is home home?
[13:42] <PriceChild> near birmingham
[13:42] <Seeker`> where are you now?
[13:42] <PriceChild> yorkshire
[13:42] <Seeker`> fair enogh
[13:42] <PriceChild> satisfied? :P
[13:42] <Seeker`> right, time to go, or i'll miss my lecture
[13:43] <PriceChild> have fun
[13:43] <Seeker`> PriceChild: It'll do for now :P
[13:43] <Seeker`> I'm sure I wont :P
[13:43] <Seeker`> I've got tai chi tonight though :D
[13:43]  * Seeker` -> gone
[14:03] <Pici> libc6 may be fixed and uploaded now, but I gotta run to a meeting, perhaps someone else can fix the topic in #u+1, thanks.
[14:10] <LjL> so much for "naah hardy is ok, yeah sure it may break not really"
[14:23] <Seeker`> libc 2.7.9 is safe?
[14:35] <Seveas> -ubuntu1 isn't
[14:37] <Seeker`> hmm
[15:19] <jussi01> so -ubuntu2 is?
[15:19] <Pici> yes
[15:19] <Pici> I just updated the topic in u+1 as well
[15:19]  * Seeker` waits for the gb mirror to update
[15:20] <jussi01> se mirror is updated :)
[15:23] <Seeker`> Seveas: What are you rewriting ubotu with?
[15:24] <Seveas> Seeker`, the blood of 10000 internet trolls
[15:24] <Seeker`> Seveas: Is is baseed on an existing bot?
[15:24] <Seveas> no
[15:26] <Seeker`> ah
[15:33] <Pici> hm, new peak in ubuntu-devel, probably people looking for fixes on the libc6 error
[15:35] <LjL> aside from repeating like parrots that hardy will break, i don't see what more we can do
[15:38] <Seveas> PoLjLy wants a cracker :)
[15:39] <Seeker`> heh
[15:42] <jussi01> meh, my update doesnt even work :(
[15:46] <Pici> Can someone unmute  %*!*@ubuntu/bot/ubotu in -bugs?
[15:47] <LjL> yes
[15:47]  * nickrud hands polly a cracker
[15:48] <nealmcb> the server team asked me to get an ubotu factoid for "servergui" - here's my proposal:
[15:48] <nealmcb> servergui is <reply> Ubuntu server does not install a desktop environment or X11 by default in order to enhance security, efficiency and performance.  !eBox provides a GUI system management option via a web interface.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI for more background and options.
[15:48] <Seveas> servergui is <reply> Ubuntu server does not install a desktop environment or X11 by default in order to enhance security, efficiency and performance.  !eBox provides a GUI system management option via a web interface.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI for more background and options.
[15:49] <Seveas> !servergui is <reply> Ubuntu server does not install a desktop environment or X11 by default in order to enhance security, efficiency and performance.  !eBox provides a GUI system management option via a web interface.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI for more background and options.
[15:49] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[15:49] <nealmcb> :-)
[15:49] <Pici> Seveas: Looks just like in #ubuntu-ops-monitor and #ubuntu-irc
[15:53] <LjL> and #xubuntu, removed
[15:54] <Pici> bod_: How can we help you this morning?
[15:55] <bod_> afternoon here ;~) im fine, just seeing how many ops have a 'p' in their name
[15:55] <bod_> 9
[15:55] <Pici> bod_: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list    will give you a list of all #ubuntu ops
[15:56] <bod_> omg, theres a command for everything,. can i grep for 'p' aswell?
[15:57] <Seveas> bod_, this channel is for operator issues, if you have no such issues, please leave
[15:57] <bod_> sorry
[15:57] <nalioth> bod_: if there's nothing we can help you with, /topic
[15:57]  * bod_ runs away
[16:25] <jussi01> Hmmm, what is the status of the bot? is factoid editing safe? is it business as usual?
[16:26] <Pici> !ding
[16:26] <ubotu> dong
[16:27] <jussi01> Pici: it works fine, but I remember Seve.as rant about people adding factoids last time, and I dont really want to have that again
[16:28] <Pici> jussi01: I dont see why we couldnt add them...
[16:28] <Pici> You could, like, ask him though.
[16:28] <jussi01> Seveas: ping!
[16:30] <Seveas> jussi01, !pang
[16:31] <jussi01> Seveas: see my question a few lines back?
[16:31] <jussi01> Seveas: could you please answer that?
[16:32] <Seveas> jussi01, the rant wasn't about editing factoids
[16:32] <Seveas> that's safe :)
[16:32] <Pici> Adding stupid factoids?
[16:33] <Seveas> that's not safe
[16:33] <jussi01> Seveas: so I safely add an #ubuntustdio specific factoid then?
[16:33] <Seveas> I will hunt you down and kill
[16:33] <Seveas> jussi01, I don't see why not
[16:33] <jussi01> Seveas: thank you. just making sure. :)
[16:34] <LjL> Seveas: the rant must have been about people with privileges allegedly doing things they never did, huh?
[17:08] <jpatrick> afternoon all
[17:08] <Pici> Hallo
[17:08]  * jpatrick finally got a new free router from ISP
[17:19] <jussi01> hehe, its so funny when people join a channel and do !list :P
[17:33]  * Mez reads back and sees bod_'s comments
[17:33] <Mez> I want some of whatever hes on
[17:34] <Pici> It was one of the most 'out of the blue' things I've seen on here.
[17:34]  * jussi01 hands Mez the red pill
[17:34] <Mez> It may be blogged about
[17:34] <Mez> bought a smile to my life
[17:35] <jpatrick> what's so special about 'p'?
[17:35] <Mez> I dont know :D
[17:35] <Mez> but it was amusing
[18:24] <Jack_Sparrow> I have a question..  SInce Badger repos are dead, can a user switch to dapper repos and apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[18:25] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: Prbably....
[18:25] <Jack_Sparrow> I thought so..  should he change sources,  apt-get update  then dist-upgrade
[18:26] <Pici> I suggest a backup, but it should work
[18:36] <nalioth> Jack_Sparrow: sequential upgrades are the only supported method
[18:36] <Jack_Sparrow> nalioth,  it is sequential
[18:36] <Jack_Sparrow> comming from badger
[18:37] <Pici> 5.10->6.06
[18:37] <nalioth> iow, upgradring from badger to eft is not supported (and will probably fill the box with fail)
[18:37] <nalioth> Jack_Sparrow: yeah, i got your situation.  i'm just expounding for posterity
[18:37] <Pici> thanks :)
[18:37] <Jack_Sparrow> HE already failed it...  just wanted something to try
[18:38] <jdong> Jack_Sparrow: he should be using a graphical upgrader and not dist-upgrade though for the best results
[18:40] <Jack_Sparrow> jdong, noted..  he already messed it up.  If we can get him to working Dapper I will be amazed
[20:30] <ompaul> mneptok, so at the end of the day I replaced the zyxel with a linksys
[20:30] <ompaul> I has internetz
[20:34] <jpatrick> ompaul: yay!
[20:34] <Mez> yay for ingenious hackers
[20:34] <jpatrick> ompaul: my old router had a fit too, got a new free one
[20:34] <ompaul> jpatrick, I gotz routerz I will reinstall its blobbyness and see if that sorts it
[20:37] <ompaul> !staff | <ToBe> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos
[20:37]  * ompaul growls
[20:37] <ompaul> bot free zone :)
[20:37] <PriceChild> What's happenned to ubotu?
[20:38] <ompaul> Dave2, Gary, nalioth, vorian  hit me on joining #debian
[20:40] <Dave2> thanks
[20:41] <Mez> isnt vorian a normal user?
[20:41] <ompaul> Mez, perhaps with staff memberships also
[20:42] <Dave2> --- [vorian]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>: http://kubuntu.org
[20:42]  * Dave2 nods
[20:42] <Dave2> though you missed PriceChild! *ahem*
[20:42] <Mez> ompaul, what do you mean "hit" you ?
[20:42] <Dave2> it was an on-join spammer
[20:42] <ompaul> Mez, well let us see what is the complaint - on-join spam and dave2 takes my fun away :'-(
[20:42] <ompaul> hehehe
[20:43] <PriceChild> you tell em Dave2 :P
[20:43] <ompaul> PriceChild, get some cough mixture for that will ya
[20:43] <ompaul> any extras here?
[20:43]  * ompaul looks around does not look like it
[20:48] <ompaul> Mez, and your curiosity was a bit late they were klined about 8 minutes ago
[20:48]  * ompaul takes out a baseball bat and points it at the offending router
[20:48]  * Mez griins to himself
[20:49]  * Mez is going to have a nice full hard drive tomorrow
[20:49] <ompaul> I figure these things don't like (A) baseball bats (B) requests to do funky stuffz
[20:50] <ompaul> blob bound numbskulls and we can't even help them when we are interested cos their sekret sauze is all hidden away
[20:50] <ompaul> fools
[20:50] <ompaul> we can debug your kit and you won't let us
[20:51] <ompaul> (ok to tell the truth s/debug/embedded gnu/linux/)
[20:51] <ompaul> arrrr
[20:51]  * ompaul does it again
[20:51] <ompaul> (ok to tell the truth s/debug/embedded gnu\/linux/)
[22:57] <ompaul> SEJeff, how can we help you?
[23:02] <ompaul> PriceChild, any ideas on ^^
[23:02] <ompaul> I can't find any on the tracker
[23:18] <SEJeff> ompaul, I'd never heard of this channel and am one of the ops in #ubuntu-hardened
[23:19] <ompaul> ahh ha
[23:19] <ompaul> !cloak
[23:19] <ubotu> Many Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as !TOR due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[23:20] <ompaul> I strongly suggest you do that for the purpose of hiding where you are
[23:20] <ompaul> there are idiots out there who think ddos is helpful
[23:21] <ubotu> In ubotu, runemaste644 said: !orly is <reply> YA RLY
[23:21] <LjL> !b > runemaste644    (runemaste644, see the private message from Ubotu)
[23:22] <SEJeff> ompaul, No worries, this office is protected by Prolexic
[23:22] <SEJeff> ompaul, DDoS can't save them
[23:23] <ompaul> well we would rather not encourage them ;-)
[23:30] <Amaranth> dang, i was gonna say "You don't exist"
[23:30] <Pici> :D
[23:34] <ompaul> Amaranth, look away and Pici will not be there - and when I type see you won't notice that either


[12:27] <manchicken> Is there a way to get dpkg-buildpackage to leave objects and configure cache?
[12:48] <manchicken> Who wrote this thing?
[12:48] <manchicken> Many of the comments are in what looks like maybe polish?
[12:49] <mhb> manchicken: this thing?
[12:50] <mhb> manchicken: you mean adept?
[12:51] <manchicken> Yeah.
[12:51] <mhb> manchicken: all I see are english comments
[12:51] <mhb> manchicken: file? line?
[12:52] <manchicken> view.cpp
[12:52] <manchicken> adept/view.cpp that is
[12:52] <manchicken> (not libadept)
[12:53] <mhb> you mean the joke at the bottom?
[12:54] <mhb> :o)
[12:56] <manchicken> I have no idea what that is.
[12:56] <manchicken> I speak English and Emacs ^_^
[12:56] <manchicken> That's it.
[12:56] <mhb> I'm not sure if the answer to the question "How many Existentialists do you need to screw a lightbulb?" would be of any use to you in hacking Adept :o)
[12:57] <manchicken> What language is that?
[12:57] <mhb> czech
[12:57] <manchicken> Ah.
[12:57] <manchicken> One of the many languages I have no idea where to begin with.
[12:58] <manchicken> I was going to guess Polish.
[12:58] <manchicken> But I have no idea.
[12:59] <mhb> that comment is not helpful at all.
[12:59] <mhb> don't worry
[12:59] <manchicken> heh
[12:59] <manchicken> I hope real comments are more helpful ;)
[01:03] <manchicken> Ack, hard-codes.
[01:08] <manchicken> Ack, libadept is using only half Qt....
[01:08] <manchicken> Using fstream instead of qfile...
[01:30] <manchicken> Ooh, so this thing just hits dpkg on the shell escape and such?
[01:35] <manchicken> We **REALLY** need to take the hardcodes out of there.
[01:57] <manchicken> I think I'm going to try to rework some of this libadept.
[02:16] <manchicken> Anybody home?
[02:18] <bddebian> No one here but us mice :)
[02:18] <manchicken> I'm trying to figure out what to do with adept.
[02:18] <manchicken> Some of this code is just awful.
[02:19] <manchicken> Like, really awful.
[02:26] <bddebian> So fix it :-)
[02:28] <manchicken> I'm thinking about it.
[02:28] <manchicken> Are you a C++/Qt feller?
[02:29] <bddebian> Nah, I'm a rodeo clown basically
[02:30] <manchicken> I'm not sure if what I'm thinking I should clean up is really worth the time.
[02:30] <manchicken> It works, and it doesn't look particularly terrible, but it's got a lot of hard-codes and a lot of libc stuff where I think Qt usage would be more appropriate.
[02:31] <bddebian> I've been cleaning up gnumach, how bad could Adept be? :-)
[02:31] <manchicken> I'm also noticing that some of these methods have a lot of side-effects.
[02:32] <manchicken> I just need someone who's at least marginally familiar with this codebase to help me decide whether or not to go on a Qt-ifying crusade.
[02:32] <Jucato> manchicken: aside from it's creator (mornfall), I think Riddel is the only other person on the planet familiar with it
[02:33] <manchicken> Is thinking QFile should be used and passed around more than FILE*'s nit-picky or is it actually a valid concern?
[02:34] <manchicken> I mean, if we're going to use libc, let's not require Qt... but if we're going to use Qt, let's USE Qt.
[02:34] <manchicken> Also, those path hardcodes have got to go.
[02:35] <manchicken> Maybe even moved into a hardcodes.h until we can work them into the build file.
[02:35] <manchicken> err, build process.
[02:36] <imbrandon> manchicken: no one else is really familiar with it, mornfall is the author and has taken an extended vacation, it also needs alot of UI love too ( seele can tell you about that one )
[02:36] <imbrandon> and any work you do on it would be very very very aprerciated
[02:37] <imbrandon> btw moins seele bddebian manchicken mhb
[02:37] <imbrandon> and anyone else arround atm
[02:37] <Jucato> moin imbrandon! :)
[02:37] <manchicken> imbrandon: I'm just a hacker with freetime and a short attention span (and a case of Sam Adams).  If you have anything specific you'd like to see done, I'm certainly willing to consider it.
[02:37] <manchicken> Those tabs in kde-systemsettings were actually Riddell's idea, not mine ^_^
[02:38] <imbrandon> manchicken: can i make you a list and you just start picking off items at your leasure ? heheh ( i wont have time to make it untill late tonight or tomarrow )
[02:38] <imbrandon> :P
[02:38] <manchicken> I'll lead development efforts at work, here I'd like to be more of a follower.
[02:38] <imbrandon> sure
[02:38] <manchicken> imbrandon: I can't think of anything you could do that I would like more.
[02:38] <imbrandon> rockin
[02:38] <manchicken> I'll be up for a few more hours.
[02:39] <imbrandon> k
[02:39] <imbrandon> the next 3 days are my days off from work soooo i'll have lots of time
[02:39] <ryanakca> imbrandon: you packaged some qmake + qt4 + cdbs apps?
[02:39] <manchicken> I'm off until Janiary.
[02:39] <imbrandon> just as soon as i fix my damn mail server :)
[02:39] <manchicken> That'd be January
[02:39] <manchicken> heh
[02:39] <imbrandon> ryanakca: tons
[02:39] <imbrandon> ryanakca: well not tons but quite a few
[02:39] <ryanakca> oh, and, how can one figure out what files in ~/.kde  are used by System Settings
[02:39] <ryanakca> imbrandon: perfect... mind helping me with a few things?
[02:40] <imbrandon> sure, shoot , if i can i will
[02:40] <manchicken> imbrandon: An abstract question... in a Qt-based app, if you saw something using FILE* and passing it around all over the place, would you replace it with QFile?
[02:40] <imbrandon> and and thing in ~/.kde that is in system setting should be used
[02:40] <imbrandon> ryanakca: ^
[02:40] <imbrandon> manchicken: yea
[02:41] <manchicken> Okie dokie.
[02:41] <manchicken> I'll try to clean up some of this adept code while I wait for your list.
[02:41] <imbrandon> rock on, adept is like top on my "wish was fixed up a bit" list
[02:41] <manchicken> I'm not the most practiced C++ hacker on earth, but I can work it.
[02:41] <imbrandon> :)
[02:42] <manchicken> Actually, I kinda hate "standard" C++.
[02:42] <ryanakca> imbrandon: lost me... and and thing in ~/.kde..
[02:42] <ryanakca> [15:35]  <kdefreak> rrrrg. Ok, I've figured out the problem. only thing is how to fix it. Problem: building creates obj-i486-linux-gnu, cd's to that directory, runs qmake-qt4 -o Makefile monkey.pro, but can't find monkey.pro, becaus monkey.pro is in the previous directory.  I have a question
[02:54] <ryanakca> lol
[02:54] <ryanakca> better than anything I could do
[02:54] <manchicken> Sure, what's up?
[02:54] <manchicken> I doubt that.
[02:55] <manchicken> Folks don't know what they can do until they put their mind to it.
[02:55] <ryanakca> I've just started learning python
[02:55] <manchicken> (remember, I'm a Perl hacker for a living)
[02:55] <ryanakca> anything I could do at the moment
[02:55] <ryanakca> give me a decade... maybe
[02:55] <manchicken> Psht.
[02:55] <manchicken> You think I went to school for this?
[02:55] <ryanakca> lol
[02:55] <manchicken> I've been hacking for a while.
[02:55] <imbrandon> none of us do / did afaik :) not the good ones atleaste :)
[02:56] <manchicken> Picked up C when I was 12 (thus the C++ hatred).
[02:56] <imbrandon> brb
[02:56] <ryanakca> C at the age of 12?
[02:56] <manchicken> You just gotta get into it man.
[02:56] <ryanakca> holy.. I'm falling behind
[02:56] <manchicken> When I was 12 we didn't I didn't have access to Free software.
[02:56] <manchicken> Borland Turbo C++ and a book man.
[02:57] <ryanakca> lol, Accelerated C++?
[02:57] <manchicken> No, just a bad compiler with a quasai-cool name.
[02:57] <manchicken> And an even worse IDE.
[02:57] <ryanakca> no, the book
[02:57] <manchicken> We're talking DOS days.
[02:57] <manchicken> Oh, the book.
[02:58] <manchicken> Naw, it was the Turbo C++ manual, and then some other things I'd picked up.
[02:58] <ryanakca> ah
[02:58] <manchicken> My dad's a hacker too.
[02:58] <ryanakca> dcc the screenie to you?
[02:58] <ryanakca> that helps
[02:58] <manchicken> Sure if you want.
[02:58] <ryanakca> or e-mail?
[02:58] <ryanakca> kk
[02:58] <manchicken> Do you actually have a question though?  I think I missed it.
[02:59] <ryanakca> yes, the screenshot explains it all :)
[02:59] <ryanakca> offering... should be an accept button popping up somewheres
[02:59] <manchicken> Failed to connect.
[02:59] <manchicken> Probably a firewall issue.
[02:59] <ryanakca> yeah... my iptables :)
[03:00] <manchicken> Just email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you want.
[03:00] <ryanakca> kk
[03:01] <manchicken> Have I told you how much I love kontact?
[03:02] <ryanakca> lol?
[03:03] <manchicken> Okay, it may just be the two beers and three Jager shots, but I can't see the problem.
[03:03] <manchicken> (though this is since the bears won in overtime around 5-6 hours ago)
[03:04] <ryanakca> there aren't any keyboard layouts available?
[03:05] <manchicken> Ah.
[03:05] <ryanakca> even if I check "Enable keyboard layouts"?
[03:05] <manchicken> That I don't know.
[03:05] <manchicken> Are you in a chroot or pbuilder?
[03:07] <ryanakca> no
[03:07] <manchicken> Weird.
[03:07] <manchicken> I've never seen that.
[03:07] <manchicken> That's not really kde-systemsettings though.  That's the actual module itself.
[03:07] <ryanakca> but I've tried moving .kde to .kde.bak and restarting... same preoblem
[03:07] <ryanakca> ah
[03:08] <manchicken> kde-systemsettings and kcontrol both use KSycoca modules for all of that stuff.
[03:08] <manchicken> I think that may be a more global config issue.
[03:08] <manchicken> Feisty?
[03:12] <nixternal> heh
[03:12] <nixternal> manchicken: i had scrolled up earlier in here right, to where they said thanks for the tabs right...and never scrolled down
[03:13] <manchicken> heh
[03:13] <manchicken> Very nice.
[03:13] <nixternal> i was wondering why my |15| in my status kept highlighting and i didn't see anything there
[03:13] <manchicken> heh
[03:13] <nixternal> i thought it was new :0
[03:13] <nixternal> finally got nixternal.com
[03:13] <nixternal> probably won't even use it, but at $22 i couldn't pass it up
[03:14] <manchicken> heh
[03:15] <ryanakca> manchicken: edgy
[03:15] <manchicken> I've got a nice deal with railsplayground.net
[03:15] <manchicken> ryanakca: Have you done anything weird lately?
[03:15] <manchicken> nixternal: $9/mo for amazing hosting service.
[03:15] <nixternal> ya, and then used a promo code to get $97 off
[03:16] <ryanakca> manchicken: um... well... no
[03:17] <manchicken> ryanakca: I've never seen that problem before.
[03:18] <ryanakca> nixternal: you seen it?
[03:20] <nixternal> what am i looking for?
[03:28] <ryanakca> nixternal: just a sec... nixternal @ ubuntu dot com ?
[03:29] <nixternal> ya
[03:30] <nixternal> i didn't hear you, louder!
[03:30] <ryanakca> sent
[03:32] <nixternal> wow, that is an odd one
[03:32] <ryanakca> yeah
[03:32] <ryanakca> any ideas?
[03:32] <ryanakca> been like that for a couple of weeks now
[03:32] <nixternal> feisty?
[03:32] <ryanakca> I've moved .kde to .kde.bak and restarted
[03:32] <ryanakca> edgy
[03:33] <nixternal> hmm
[03:33] <ryanakca> didn't do anything
[03:33] <ryanakca> same in kkbswitch
[03:34] <manchicken> It's official...
[03:34] <manchicken> I have no idea what to do with adept.
[03:34] <nixternal> rm -rf it
[03:34] <nixternal> apt-get --purge
[03:34] <nixternal> apt-get --please_leave
[03:35] <nixternal> only thing i like about it is the adept notifier
[03:35] <manchicken> It looks like it works... but some of that code is not what I would consider the cleanest.
[03:35] <manchicken> I love using adept.
[03:35] <manchicken> I'm just not loving hacking it.
[03:35] <nixternal> apt-cache search it, then apt-get it
[03:41] <ryanakca> nixternal: lemme know if you think of anything
[03:42] <nixternal> roger wilco
[03:42] <ryanakca> imbrandon: figured it out? want the source dir?
[03:44] <ryanakca> anywais, I'm heading to bed... G'night
[03:50] <manchicken> imbrandon: ping
[03:51] <imbrandon> pong
[03:52] <manchicken> Got anything less infuriating than adept needs work? ;)
[03:52] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:52] <imbrandon> hrm , not at the moment ( i'm sure there is plenty on LP but i havent looked )
[03:53] <imbrandon> one sec brb
[03:59] <bddebian> *cough*kssh*cough* ;-)
[04:00] <manchicken> bddebian: Do you really want help with it?
[04:00] <manchicken> bddebian: If you want to walk me through it I can try to help.
[04:01] <manchicken> But I'm pretty new to the packaging scene.
[04:01] <bddebian> Actually I don't think it's a packaging issue.  I think there is something weird in the build system when building outside of the source dir
[04:04] <manchicken> Well, give me a task and I'll see what I can do.
[04:08] <bddebian> Don't sweat it unless ryanakca really wants it :-)
[04:10] <manchicken> I'm just looking for SOMETHING to hack.
[04:11] <bddebian> Well you are always welcome to come over to the dark side of gnumach and Hurd :-)
[04:12] <manchicken> I'm hoping for feature adds or small and specific bug fixes to do since I'm not the greatest C++ guy ever.
[04:12] <manchicken> Eh, I'm using too much hardware that lacks free software drivers.
[04:12] <manchicken> (last bloody HP laptop I'll ever buy)
[04:12] <bddebian> heh
[04:14] <imbrandon> What do you get if you multiply six by nine?
[04:15] <imbrandon> whoops wrong chan
[04:15] <imbrandon> ( hehe )
[04:16] <manchicken> Nice.
[04:16] <Jucato> :)
[04:18] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:19] <nixternal> imbrandon: you hanging out in #3rd_grade?
[04:20] <imbrandon> nix thats from hitchikers guide to the galaxy
[04:20] <imbrandon> a refrence
[04:20] <imbrandon> :)
[04:20] <bddebian> nixternal: hehe
[04:21] <nixternal> oh ya
[04:21] <imbrandon> nic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Scrabble_6x9.jpg
[04:21] <imbrandon> err nix
[04:21] <nixternal> 42, the answer to life universe and everything or something like that
[04:21] <nixternal> i get it now :)
[04:24] <manchicken> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/anti-piracy <-- Bad idea
[04:30] <nixternal> is it still possible to pirate winxp? i thought that genuine crap fixed all that
[04:31] <manchicken> who cares?
[04:31] <manchicken> heh
[04:32] <manchicken> I think we should stop using their word for sharing.
[04:32] <manchicken> It's sharing, not pirating.
[04:32] <bddebian> heh
[04:33] <manchicken> It's not stealing, it's not piracy, and I would even argue that it's not wrong.
[04:33] <bddebian> Richard, is that you?
[04:33] <manchicken> heh
[04:33] <manchicken> My name is Mike ;)
[04:33] <manchicken> And I don't really care for the north-east ;)
[04:34] <bddebian> You're in IL?
[04:35] <manchicken> Yeah.
[04:35] <bddebian> Whereabouts?  I grew up East of Peoria, North of Bloomington
[04:35] <manchicken> I'm on the south side of Chicago.
[04:36] <bddebian> Oh, Bad, Bad, Leroy Brown? ;-P
[04:36] <manchicken> heh
[04:46] <manchicken> I really need something to do.
[04:47] <Jucato> um... is anyone here familiar about compiling another version of an app (say, from SVN) in a place other than /usr/ or /usr/local/ ?
[04:48] <manchicken> Using apt?
[04:49] <nixternal> bddebian: we are chicagoans homey :)
[04:49] <Jucato> no. compiling from source (from SVN)
[04:50] <nixternal> East of Peoria + North of Bloomington == Normal, LaSalle, Peru, Kankakee....
[04:50] <bddebian> An itty, bitty town called Benson
[04:51] <bddebian> In fact I grew up on a farm
[04:51] <Jucato> I set the correct --prefix and it compiled properly. and it runs. I've also added the directory to $PATH. if I launch it from the command line, it runs the correct version (SVN). but if I launch it from the K Menu or Alt+F2, it launches the original version
[04:51] <nixternal> whoa, ya, never heard of Benson..that is a new one
[04:51] <manchicken> Jucato: Just configure --prefix=SOMEPATH
[04:51] <bddebian> Population: 500
[04:51] <nixternal> i go hunting down in that area as well (farming, canton, pekin)
[04:51] <nixternal> s/farming/farmington
[04:52] <Jucato> manchicken: I did. like I said, running it from the command line works properly. but launching it from KDE doesn't... are there any other environment variables I need to set up?
[04:52] <bddebian> Roanoke, Eureka, Metamora?
[04:52] <bddebian> Minonk?
[04:52] <nixternal> ahhh
[04:52] <nixternal> Metamora, Eureka (football team used to rock int he 80s)
[04:52] <nixternal> ya
[04:52] <manchicken> Jucato: Is it a program you've got installed elsewhere as well?
[04:52] <bddebian> Yeah
[04:52] <nixternal> i know that area a little bit
[04:52] <nixternal> Metamora kicked some butt in hs football thsi season
[04:53] <Jucato> manchicken: yes. it's Konversation. 1.0.1 is installed by default (from the repos). I compiled another one from SVN
[04:53] <Jucato> the command line recognizes which version to run ("which konversation"), but not KDE
[04:54] <manchicken> Jucato: Try absolutely pathing it.
[04:54] <nixternal> wow, that is interesting...kmenuedit shows it runs konversation from /usr/bin and not from /usr/share or something else?
[04:54] <Jucato> yep. absolute paths work... isn't there a way to make it automatic?
[04:54] <nixternal> Jucato: .desktop file should do it right?
[04:54] <Jucato> nixternal: strange. my konversation.desktop doesn't include any path information...
[04:55] <Jucato> (the one from /usr/share/applications/kde)
[04:55] <bddebian> It shouldn't
[04:55] <nixternal> Exec=konversation -caption "%c" %i %m
[04:55] <bddebian> Nor should the icon
[04:55] <nixternal> thats what is in mine
[04:56] <Jucato> nixternal: ditto
[04:56] <Jucato> so it should follow what's in $PATH right?
[04:56] <nixternal> it should
[04:56] <Jucato> in my PATH, the directory where I installed Konvi SVN (/opt/kdevel/install/bin) is the first entry...
[04:57] <Jucato> any other env variables I need to setup up? (I've setup KDEDIRS in /etc/profile)
[04:58] <Jucato> btw, this doesn't happen if the app I compiled is the only version of that app installed (KPlayer)
[04:59] <nixternal> so for it to run 2 different versions that means there are 2 different versions running
[04:59] <nixternal> which is odd
[04:59] <Jucato> nixternal: not running at the same time
[04:59] <nixternal> i would have thought it would have overwritten it
[04:59] <nixternal> ya i know...i mean 'konversation' runs in 2 different versions
[04:59] <Jucato> yeah :)
[05:00] <Jucato> Sho_ also finds it weird. he's the one who taught me how to build it from SVN. everything went smoothly up to that point
[05:00] <Jucato> he said that setting up the correct $PATH and $KDEDIRS in /etc/profile should have worked. unless Kubuntu implements a different system
[05:01] <manchicken> Are you working on kde4?
[05:01] <Jucato> manchicken: heh no. I'm still learning C++ remember? :)
[05:02] <Jucato> but I'm also trying to learn how to build from SVN and stuff... then later how to make packages the Kubuntu way
[05:02] <manchicken> There's no such thing as "learning" ;)
[05:02] <manchicken> There is hack or no hack.
[05:02] <manchicken> ^_^
[05:02] <Jucato> heh
[05:03] <Jucato> I'm not as experienced as you :P
[05:03] <manchicken> Heh, I'm experienced?
[05:03] <Jucato> manchicken: obviously :)
[05:04] <manchicken> I'm not sure I would say that.
[05:04] <manchicken> I'm certainly not C++ experienced.
[05:05] <Jucato> heh but still more experienced than me :P
[05:05] <manchicken> Well get hacking.
[05:05] <Jucato> I'd love to... once I figure this problem out
[05:05] <Jucato> see, I have to run Konvi from the command line everytime I want the svn version running
[05:06] <manchicken> Or you could just update your menus...
[05:07] <Jucato> to use absolute path, right?
[05:07] <manchicken> yup
[05:07] <Jucato> and I have to do that everytime I compile an svn version of an app that's already installed, right?
[05:07] <bddebian> Not if it's always built into the same location
[05:08] <Jucato> bddebian: I always put stuff I compile from SVN in /opt/kdevel (separating source, build, and install)
[05:09] <Jucato> so far, it's only residents are Konversation and KPlayer (from CVS...)
[05:09] <manchicken> imbrandon: you know anything needing doing?
[05:09] <bddebian> manchicken: Start packaging ;-)
[05:24] <manchicken> I KNOW!  I'll make a sources.list editor!
[05:25] <Jucato> manchicken: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AdeptUsability
[05:26] <manchicken> That's what I'm pulling it from ^_^
[05:26] <Jucato> would be nice if it also had a way to see changelogs, like in Synaptic (which donwloads from the changelogs site) or KPackage (takes from the changelog file in the package)
[05:27] <manchicken> That would require me to actually care about the ugly code in the dpkgpm sources.
[05:27] <Jucato> manchicken: that sources.list editor will definitely be a great thing. as it is, it's already hard to explain how to add multiverse in Adept :)
[05:27] <Jucato> (they end up adding/enabling the wrong repos)
[05:28] <Jucato> anyway... gotta eat some lunch. thanks for the help earlier manchicken, nixternal, bddebian
[05:28] <Jucato> :)
[05:28] <Jucato> (I'll probably ask again later :P )
[05:29] <nixternal> no problem
[05:29] <nixternal> i need food as well, im hungry
[05:30] <manchicken> np
[06:35] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!! :)
[06:36] <manchicken> w00t!  Hobbsee!
[06:36] <manchicken> What's goin' on?
[06:36] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato, manchicken!
[06:36] <Jucato> hehe kool! :)
[06:37] <manchicken> heh
[06:37] <manchicken> How does one add a file to the build process?  Or will it just add itself?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> er, plus the other....10 or so, chatting to other people
[06:41] <manchicken> If I add a new file, how do I add it to the build and package process?
[06:41] <manchicken> Im guessing there's just a manifest file somewhere.
[06:42] <nixternal> add a new file to an already built package?
[06:42] <manchicken> yeah
[06:42] <nixternal> like you did 'apt-get source blah' and now you added something to blah?
[06:42] <manchicken> yeah
[06:42] <nixternal> ok, you need to have blah.orig and blah
[06:42] <nixternal> you edit blah
[06:42] <nixternal> once youre done with blah you 'diff -Nru blah.org blah >blah.diff'
[06:43] <nixternal> place that blah.diff in the blah/debian/patches/ directory
[06:43] <nixternal> then in debian/rules call cdbs patchsys
[06:44] <manchicken> Seriously?
[06:44] <manchicken> I would have thought it would be as simple as just adding it to the autoconf process.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> manchicken: are you adding it to upstream?
[06:44] <Hobbsee> manchicken: ie, will your file be in the release tarballs that they put on their sites?
[06:44] <manchicken> I may be, if it doesn't suck when I'm donw with it.
[06:44] <manchicken> done*
[06:45] <manchicken> I'm trying to implement the sources.list edit widget described in the usability guide.
[08:03] <imbrandon> seele, ahh whoops , guess that was my fault for not noticing heh
[08:07] <manchicken> imbrandon: Did you email me your list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:07] <imbrandon> nope not yet, still compiling some things
[08:07] <imbrandon> ummm
[08:07] <imbrandon> sorry i'm a bit slow tonight
[08:08] <manchicken> I started some stuff with implementing the usability guide's reccomendation for sources management in adept.
[08:08] <imbrandon> nice
[08:08] <imbrandon> yea thats very much needed
[08:08] <Jucato> :)
[08:09] <manchicken> I need to figure out how to add files to a package.
[08:09] <manchicken> There should be a wiki on normal build operation processes and how they relate to packaging in dpkg.
[08:09] <manchicken> There probably is.
[08:09] <manchicken> I'm half asleep.  It's 0110, I'm gonna hit the hay.
[08:09] <imbrandon> !package guide
[08:10] <imbrandon> hrm no ubotu in here
[08:10] <manchicken> heh
[08:10] <manchicken> I'll check you later.
[08:10] <Jucato> and Ubotwo doesn't seem to be here either
[08:10] <manchicken> I'll look it up later.
[08:10] <imbrandon> kk
[08:10] <manchicken> I need sleep.  Badly.
[08:10] <imbrandon> :)
[08:10] <manchicken> Night.
[08:10] <imbrandon> night
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[08:10] <Jucato> night manchicken|away! :)
[08:15] <Ash-Fox> Perhaps I'm stupid, but I honestly cannot figure out why I can't get this menu to display http://ash-fox.theden.ws/temp/glfrontier.txt the icons exist, the binary exists, I run update-menus. Yet I don't see it in KDE's menus. Makes no sense to me at all.
[08:18] <raphink> hmmm Ash-Fox imo this is a Debian menu entry
[08:18] <raphink> the KDE menu requires a desktop file
[08:19] <imbrandon> yea you need a .desktop file for KDE/GNOME
[08:19] <imbrandon> brb
[08:19] <raphink> I actually never use such menu entries, only desktop files
[08:19] <Ash-Fox> Okay. Maintainer's handbook confused me :P
[08:20] <raphink> hehe
[08:22] <Ash-Fox> Which manfile contains information on .desktop files?
[08:30] <raphink> hmmm Ash-Fox you can look at the desktop files in /usr/share/applications/kde for examples
[08:31] <raphink> Ash-Fox: there are specifications on freedesktop.org too iirf
[08:31] <raphink> iirc
[08:33] <Ash-Fox> raphink, thanks
[09:00] <nixternal> maybe this is a dead horse, but I am working on some TBH stuff right, and I was wondering, why doesn't kubuntu install games by default?
[09:00] <nixternal> is this to save space on the disk?
[09:00] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i think so
[09:01] <nixternal> i wondered that, just never thought about
[09:01] <Hobbsee> cant see any other reason
[09:01] <nixternal> me either
[09:05] <Hobbsee> hah
[09:05] <Hobbsee> that's a gnome proggy
[09:05] <Hobbsee> we're trying to avoid tha
[09:05] <Jucato> oh? :O
[09:05] <Hobbsee> else i'd want synaptic and firefox, too
[09:05] <Jucato> :(
[09:05] <Jucato> heh didn't realize it was a gnome proggy...
[09:06] <Jucato> hm...
[09:06] <imbrandon> and openoff..... err nevermind
[09:07] <Jucato> lol :)
[09:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: good point
[09:07] <imbrandon> heh
[09:07] <Jucato> Hobbsee: might not be needed, if manchicken keeps on working on it :)
[09:07] <Hobbsee> true that
[09:07] <imbrandon> nooo i spent 6+ hours at UDS getting oo.o out of kubuntu for feisty+1
[09:07] <Jucato> nice imbrandon! :)
[09:08] <Jucato> um... any of you familiar with compiling some KDE apps from svn, putting them somewhere other than /usr/ or /usr/local/ ?
[09:09] <imbrandon> just mess with the prefix=/something in the ./configure
[09:09] <imbrandon> like any other app
[09:09] <imbrandon> :)
[09:10] <Jucato> imbrandon: yeah, that worked like a charm... from the command line. seems like KDE (or the .desktop file) doesn't honor $PATH in this case... or I musn't be setting some env variable right...
[09:12] <Jucato> basically, I have 2 versions of Konversation, 1.0.1 (Kubuntu) and SVN. I set up PATH to included where I installed SVN. if I launch from the command line, it runs the correctly SVN version, but if I use the menu or Alt+F2, it launches the 1.0.1 version, even if konversation.desktop doesn't have any path info
[09:12] <imbrandon> that has nothing to do with how you compiled it then
[09:12] <imbrandon> thats your kde environment
[09:13] <imbrandon> somehow
[09:14] <Jucato> hm... any idea where I can set that up? Sho_ is clueless as well... He says that it works in Gentoo (adding the proper PATH and KDEDIRS)
[09:14] <imbrandon> since you reset PATH have you logged out of KDE/X ?
[09:15] <Jucato> couple of times. I've alternately set the path in /etc/environment and /etc/profile... there's no problem with the path as far as bash is concerned. not sure if it has anything to do with KDEDIRS
[09:15] <imbrandon> no
[09:15] <imbrandon> and no
[09:16] <Jucato> hm... ok... now at a loss :)
[09:16] <imbrandon> kdedirs is only for libs
[09:16] <imbrandon> so that has -0- to do with it
[09:16] <Jucato> oh kool. thought it might be affecting it :)
[09:16] <imbrandon> as far as what it runs when you type something in alt f2 is what you are concerned with
[09:17] <imbrandon> is it running the desktop file ? in a term ? etc etc etc
[09:17] <imbrandon> anyhow i must run, but thats the issue
[09:17] <imbrandon> personaly i would just make another icon for your desktop to launch the one in /opt
[09:17] <imbrandon> bbiab
[09:18] <Jucato> yeah, figured I'd have to do that. thanks! :)
[10:26] <Hobbsee> jdong: ping?
[10:26] <Hobbsee> [20:25]  <ervin> Hobbsee: basically I did nothing specific to remove this dialog (ie the intent wasn't to remove the dialog)
[10:26] <Hobbsee> [20:25]  <ervin> it's a side effect of the move from a kio job doing the work to hal doing the work
[10:26] <Hobbsee> [20:26]  <ervin> and for now it's kind of nastier code to workaround this to have the dialog again... so I live with it
[10:26] <Hobbsee> [20:26]  <Hobbsee> ervin: right.
[12:45] <ryanakca> manchicken|away: can you say kssh?
[12:46] <ryanakca> You're up early this morning...
[12:46] <ryanakca> Well... probably more like evening is australia?
[12:47] <Hobbsee> evening, yeah
[12:51] <ryanakca> brb
[12:56] <Tonio_> hi :)
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hooray!
[12:58] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe, sorry to be so late, but christmas is not a great moment to stay respondive here :)
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: of course.  it's irregular that my family's ignoring christmas this year
[01:12] <allee> Tonio_: hi,  please don't forget digikam upload
[01:13] <Tonio_> allee: yeah I just got my gpg key from my gf's computer :)
[01:13] <Tonio_> allee: will upload right now
[01:13] <allee> Tonio_: thx
[01:13] <Tonio_> I'm uploading fixed kaffeine and gtk-qt merge before
[01:13] <allee> np
[01:14] <Tonio_> allee: when you're here, any idea where on earth could be a file called kmenubase.h ?
[01:14] <Tonio_> it is required by kickoff, isn't in kdebase svn tree, not in kdelibs, and not in kickoff too..........
[01:14] <Tonio_> I'm getting mad with this
[01:16] <allee> no. Can't find it here too.  Maybe something like a brute force svn ls --recursive ?
[01:17] <Tonio_> allee: hum, I'll try to grab the full kde svn and grep, yes.....
[01:17] <Tonio_> allee: patches are complete, and kerry now looks optionnal, so it might be okay
[01:17] <Tonio_> just that header file is giving me problems
[01:17] <Tonio_> althouh maintaining the patches may require a little work :)
[01:18] <Tonio_> kickoff patch is about 350 KB :)
[01:18] <allee> svn ls if more diskfriendly than svn co
[01:18] <Tonio_> allee: yup
[01:18] <allee> oh, that's not small.  Let's see it the result is worth that much tweaks ;)
[01:23] <Tonio_> allee: bah technically it isn't hard to maintain, just maintain a diff between the suse and the official kde branch
[01:24] <Tonio_> there is only one hunk that doesn't apply due to our patches
[01:24] <Tonio_> allee: not that hard to maintain
[01:24] <allee> Tonio_: that's a good thing
[01:24] <Tonio_> the hardest part isthe binary patch for the icons and graphical part
[01:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: gtk-qt merged
[01:25] <Tonio_> allee: your current digikam is on revu ?
[01:25] <Tonio_> ho, alle I'll have to leave in one our (bying christmas gifts)
[01:26] <Tonio_> allee: can you try to ping cjwatson concerning the digikam sru for edgy ?
[01:26] <Tonio_> this is waiting for a long time now
[01:27] <allee> Tonio_: yes. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3783 contains the latest ghoto2 fix
[01:27] <Tonio_> allee: the upload there is 3 days old....
[01:27] <Tonio_> allee: okay I'm revuing this
[01:27] <allee> Tonio_: yeap.  Was all the time waiting for your gpg key ;)
[01:27] <Tonio_> allee: hehehe ;)
[01:28] <Tonio_> allee: yes I'm sorry but I changed my webserver recently and forgot to put a backup online
[01:28] <allee> Tonio_: np
[01:31] <Tonio_> allee: I didn't knew the utils.mk thing to check splits....very interesting, thanks or this ;)
[01:51] <Tonio_> allee: digikam uploaded
[02:47] <Lure> allee, Tonio_: since you just did rc2: http://www.digikam.org/?q=node/203
[02:47] <Lure> ;-)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:47] <allee> Lure: yeah, 0.9.0 right now building :)
[02:48] <Lure> allee: it was funny since I have seen rc2 upload and 0.9.0 final on the same read of my rss feeds ;-)
[02:48] <allee> Lure: hehe.
[02:49] <allee> at least upgrade should not be hard.  Remove the patch (and maybe use --enable-final)
[02:50] <allee> I'll write an e-mail to pkg-kde-extras ml.  If we can merge digikam/showfoto split now that digikam is in experimental.
[02:50] <allee> IMHO there nothing more borring than unnecessary merging
[02:51] <allee> Lure: is there an RSS feed for ubuntu uploads?
[02:51] <Lure> yep
[02:51] <allee> URL? :)
[02:51] <Lure> http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/feisty.xml
[02:51] <Lure> You have the same for edgy, dapper
[02:51] <allee> k
[02:51] <allee> thx
[02:51] <Lure> it is basically ML -> RSS
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya
[04:01] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:01] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:03] <Tonio__> allee: let me know when t's done
[04:04] <Tonio__> allee: I'm not sure there is any change to perform on the package..... rc2 is just one week old
[04:04] <Tonio__> allee: I'll upload
[04:05] <allee> Tonio__: k
[04:13] <manchicken> Howdy y'all.
[04:13] <Jucato> hi manchicken! :)
[04:15] <manchicken> What's going on?
[04:15] <manchicken> What you hackin'?
[04:16] <Jucato> trying to build kdebase from svn on a new user...
[04:17] <Lure> manchicken: seele liked your change of system settings
[04:17] <manchicken> Ooh.  That should be nice.
[04:17] <Jucato> heh it already failed the first time..
[04:17] <manchicken> Lure: Yeah, I saw that.  It's nice to see someone appreciated that.  ^_^
[04:17] <manchicken> Jucato: I failed many times before getting KDE4 to build properly.
[04:17] <Lure> manchicken: she was pushing to get this changed for feisty
[04:17] <Jucato> well, this is KDE 3.5.5 :)
[04:17] <Jucato> (building from branch)
[04:18] <Jucato> moral lesson for me: log your configures,makes, and make installs...
[04:21] <sredna> Hi
[04:21] <sredna> Any chance of digikam 0.9 packages for edgy?
[04:21] <manchicken> Ooh.
[04:21] <manchicken> Sweet.
[04:21] <manchicken> I kinda hoped we would.
[04:21] <manchicken> It does make more sense from a UI standpoint.
[04:21] <manchicken> I'm trying to help out as much as I can for feisty.
[04:22] <Lure> sredna: when it is in feisty (allee and Tonio_ are working on it), we can try to request backport
[04:23] <sredna> Lure: Ok, is there an easy way to know when that will happen?
[04:24] <Lure> sredna: beside watching edgy-changes ML/rss feed, no
[04:25] <sredna> Lure: Ok, thank you. I'll try to keep my eyes open :)
[04:30] <Tonio__> Lure: did you receive my email concerning guidance ?
[04:31] <Lure> Tonio__: I did, but did not look into it yet (very busy) - is this the same as your upload today?
[04:31] <Tonio__> Lure: yup
[04:31] <Lure> Tonio__: will try to check this evening (after sailing club party ;-))
[04:31] <Tonio__> Lure: except the archive in the mail contains the .svn datas, make it easier for you to sync
[04:31] <Tonio__> Lure: you just have to update the svn structure
[04:41] <manchicken> Why does adept hate me?
[04:42] <manchicken> Okay, can someone help me figure out how to get a new file added to an existing package?
[04:42] <manchicken> !package guide
[04:42] <manchicken> Argh, no bot.
[04:42] <seaLne> depends on the type of files
[04:43] <manchicken> h & cpp
[04:43] <seaLne> you don't mean install those presumably?
[04:44] <manchicken> Well, I want them to compile into the binary.
[04:44] <manchicken> ^_^
[04:44] <seaLne> patch then
[04:44] <manchicken> If I was doing this with normal automake, I'd just add it to I think the Makefile.in.
[04:45] <seaLne> do the files exist in the upstream source?
[04:45] <manchicken> No.
[04:45] <manchicken> They're mine.
[04:45] <manchicken> Err, my changes
[04:45] <seaLne> completly new files or changes to existing files?
[04:46] <manchicken> Completely new files.
[04:46] <seaLne> probably a patch then to add them to the sources
[04:47] <manchicken> So just diff them against a blank file or something and stick the diff in patches?
[04:47] <manchicken> Is there a doc on how to do that?
[04:48] <seaLne> make to copies of the source dir, make changes to one then do diff -Nurp clean-source-dir changed-source-dir
[04:48] <seaLne> two copies
[04:50] <Jucato> !packageguide
[04:50] <Jucato> bah...
[04:51] <manchicken> Then just move that diff into debian/patches?
[04:51] <seaLne> is there already debian/patches ?
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[04:53] <manchicken> Gotta run drop food off at a food pantry rq.
[05:23] <nixternal> imho the kdm login screen, the new big fat black dots, we need a bigger password box or what not, because it only shows like 4 or 5 big dots, personally it looks kind of ugly
[05:23] <nixternal> muhahaha
[05:23] <nixternal> i was wondering why someone didn't come back and say yes i don't like it either, or nixternal you schmuck, that rocks!
[05:50] <Tonio__> nixternal: you schmuck, that rocks ! ^^
[05:51] <Tonio__> nixternal: in fact everything depends on your video card
[05:51] <Tonio__> nixternal: and the dpi settings
[05:51] <Tonio__> nixternal: for example on my desktop with a nvidia card, the fonts are really small and I can put about 12 letters in the field
[05:55] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:55] <nixternal> well, this is on a radeon using the ati drivers, not binary, 1600x1200 res
[05:56] <manchicken> Widescreen doesn't get enough love.
[05:56] <nixternal> manchicken: i noticed that looking for wallpapers
[05:56] <manchicken> The SVG ones aren't as bad.
[05:56] <Tonio_> nixternal: the screen size isn't important, what is important isthe dpi settings
[05:57] <manchicken> I find myself having to hit like Deviantart and stuff.
[05:57] <Tonio_> nixternal: and we don't force it for kdm, only kde
[05:58] <manchicken> Okay, so after I make this diff, do I just put it in debian/patches?
[05:58] <allee> Tonio_: correction: important is that the dpi settings match reality ;)
[05:58] <nixternal> manchicken: yes
[05:58] <manchicken> Yes there is a debian/patches
[05:59] <Tonio_> allee: hehe, old debate :)
[05:59] <nixternal> allee: i agree with you there, these dots at 1600x1200 on a 19" CRT were huge
[06:01] <manchicken> Hopefully this works.
[06:01] <allee> nixternal: mhh, then tthe dots should be smaller than usaully.  Strange.
[06:01] <allee> nixternal: what gives xdpyinfo | grep -E '^  dimen|^  resol'
[06:02] <allee> nixternal: are the width and height im mm correct?
[06:02] <seaLne> manchicken: you will need to check by looking at debian/rules what type of patches the package uses
[06:02] <manchicken> Okie dokie.
[06:02] <seaLne> what package is it?
[06:02] <manchicken> It just seems like there should be a list of files somewhere that it keeps track of.  heh
[06:02] <manchicken> adept
[06:02] <seaLne> ewww :)
[06:03] <manchicken> I'm subclassing a QVBox widget for the new UI guide on adept's sources editor
[06:03] <allee> manchicken: fwiw simplepatchsys does not use a list of file. only *.diff and *.patch AFAIR
[06:04] <seaLne> and yes adept uses simple-patchsys discovers
[06:04] <manchicken> So all I gotta do is put a patch into the patches directory and it'll pick it up?
[06:04] <seaLne> so the diff should just be called debian/patches/kubuntu_03_my_random_changes.diff
[06:04] <manchicken> That's what I named it.
[06:05] <seaLne> hopefully not actually :)
[06:05] <manchicken> except I used something more descriptive than my_random_changes
[06:05] <seaLne> :)
[06:07] <manchicken> Branded live Kubuntu Edgy CDs make excellent stocking stuffers ^_^
[06:17] <manchicken> Okay, so how do I tell whether or not it pulled my patch in?
[06:17] <manchicken> I don't think it did.
[06:18] <manchicken> I looked in obj-x86_64-linux-gnu and there's no object file.
[06:18] <manchicken> I think it hates me.
[06:18] <manchicken> It must be talking to my mother.
[06:21] <manchicken> Although it does have a log...
[06:50] <nixternal> allee: dimensions:  1600x1200 pixels (361x271 millimeters)
[06:50] <nixternal> allee: resolution:  113x112 dots per inch
[07:02] <Tonio_> allee: diff.uu and .uu.{gz|bz} are also handeled by simplepatchsys
[07:04] <Tonio_> .diff.{gz|bz}
[07:04] <Tonio_> sorry :)
[07:07] <manchicken> Okay, this thing isn't picking up my patch....
[07:09] <Tonio_> manchicken: with simplepatchys, you only need to put it under the debian/patches directory
[07:09] <manchicken> Does it actually care if I'm using it?
[07:10] <Tonio_> and include simple-patchsys.mk in debian rules
[07:10] <Tonio_> manchicken: and of course had cdbs as a builddep
[07:10] <Tonio_> manchicken: are you doing all of this ?
[07:10] <manchicken> It is there.
[07:10] <Tonio_> manchicken: and the patch doesn't apply ?
[07:10] <manchicken> I'm working on adept.  All of this stuff is there.
[07:11] <manchicken> I'm adding a new file.
[07:11] <Tonio_> okay
[07:11] <Tonio_> and the ile is ignored with the build process ? or does it fail to apply ?
[07:12] <Tonio_> manchicken: what do you use to make the build ? pbuilder or debuild ?
[07:12] <manchicken> dpkg-buildpackage
[07:13] <Tonio_> well that should work afaik....
[07:13] <Tonio_> manchicken: can you install devscripts and use debuild to make the package instead ?
[07:14] <Tonio_> but I agree with you it should work
[07:14] <Tonio_> manchicken: another solution is send me the source package and I'll have a look
[07:14] <Tonio_> manchicken: I need the dsc, dif.gz and tarball files
[07:16] <manchicken> Well what do you have to do to get it to build?
[07:17] <manchicken> It just seems like it shouldn't be this difficult.
[07:17] <manchicken> I'm going to try to actually use this new file and see if it's just noticing that it's not being used and ignoring it.
[07:17] <Tonio_> manchicken: I use pbuilder
[07:18] <Tonio_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[07:18] <Tonio_> manchicken: that's the best way to build since it makes it sure all builddeps are there etc......
[07:18] <Tonio_> manchicken: with all I told you to check and pbuilder that should obviously work
[07:19] <Tonio_> I don't see any reason that wouldn't
[07:19] <manchicken> I'm actually working in a chroot for this.
[07:19] <manchicken> pbuilder won't let me do the trial-and-error that I enjoy doing.
[07:19] <manchicken> Takes too long.
[07:20] <Tonio_> manchicken: hum yes...
[07:20] <manchicken> It looks like it may have just been detecting that I wasn't using it....
[07:20] <Tonio_> manchicken: then maybe you should use debuild insteadof dpkg-buildpackage
[07:20] <manchicken> Okay, I'm tryin debuild now.
[07:20] <Tonio_> manchicken: but if it still doesn't work, please send me your source package, I'll tell you what exactly is the problem....
[07:21] <Tonio_> manchicken: hard for me to guess what is the issue without the package here :)
[07:21] <manchicken> yeah
[07:21] <Tonio_> manchicken<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:21] <manchicken> I hear ya
[07:21] <Tonio_> 10 megs by email is the limit
[07:21] <manchicken> I don't think I'll exceed that ^_^
[07:21] <manchicken> I'll use bz2
[07:21] <manchicken> Yeah, it's not pulling in my source file.
[07:22] <Tonio_> manchicken: aren't you the guy I discussed with when you came in first, and whom I suggest adept as a pan of work on kubuntu?
[07:22] <Tonio_> just to be sure :)
[07:22] <manchicken> Possibly... it's all a blur ^_^
[07:22] <Tonio_> hhe
[07:22] <manchicken> I did the tabs in kde-systemsettings though if that helps you remember.
[07:22] <Tonio_> hum, no sorry :)
[07:22] <Tonio_> I thought that was Sime's work ;)
[07:24] <manchicken> Argh... I think it's 14M
[07:24] <manchicken> I'll split.
[07:28] <seaLne> is jjesse still working ok docs?
[07:28] <manchicken> You've got mail (2).  mv .aa to .tar.bz2 and then cat .ab >> .tar.bz2
[07:28] <manchicken> Or you could use join.
[07:28] <manchicken> (I think)
[07:34] <manchicken> adept is so nasty.
[07:35] <Tonio_> manchicken: okay thanks
[07:35] <Tonio_> manchicken: no wait :
[07:35] <Tonio_> manchicken<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:36] <Tonio_> no limit at all there :)
[07:36] <manchicken> heh
[07:36] <manchicken> on its way
[07:41] <seele> mhb: ping
[07:41] <manchicken> How goes it seele?
[07:41] <seele> its going.. trying to finish up some grub stuff for mhb so i can do some day-job stuff
[07:43] <manchicken> Ah.
[07:49] <oslo> hello comment rester en user et ne pas avoir a retapper un passe lors de commande sudo ???
[07:50] <oslo> sudo su && blahblah && exit ??
[07:50] <manchicken> Non... sudo su && sudo blahblah && exit
[07:50] <manchicken> Je pense...
[07:51] <manchicken> (desole, mon francais n'est pas bon.  Quel Americain de moi)
[07:51] <manchicken> heh
[07:52] <manchicken> that's okay.    Thanks.
[08:47] <Tonio_> manchicken: I'm told thearchive is invalid........
[08:47] <manchicken> Argh.
[08:47] <manchicken> Did you join it right?
[08:48] <Tonio_> manchicken: join ???
[08:49] <manchicken> Oh, you mean the one I uploaded?
[08:49] <manchicken> duh
[08:49] <manchicken> Let me test it.
[08:50] <Tonio_> manchicken: yup I took the one you uploaded
[08:51] <Tonio_> manchicken:
[08:51] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop$ tar xvjf for_tonio.tar.bz2
[08:51] <Tonio_> bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
[08:51] <Tonio_> this is what I get
[08:53] <manchicken> Works for me.
[08:53] <manchicken> Try tar -ixvf
[08:56] <manchicken> It tests just fine for me.
[08:56] <manchicken> What's your checksum?
[08:57] <Tonio_> manchicken: works with ixvf
[08:57] <Tonio_> isn't j for bz2 ? I only use bzip, but that surprises me....
[08:59] <Tonio_> manchicken: kubuntu_03_sources_entry.diff is the patch you want to add ?
[08:59] <manchicken> yeah
[08:59] <manchicken> Naw, i is for bz2
[09:02] <Tonio_> manchicken: Trying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_01_enable_sources_editor.diff at level 1 ... 0 ... 2 ... failure
[09:02] <Tonio_> hum....... that may explain :)
[09:03] <Tonio_> manchicken: in man tar : -j, --bzip2
[09:03] <manchicken> What is -
[09:03] <manchicken> -i?
[09:03] <Tonio_> -i is to ignore zero blocks
[09:03] <Tonio_> -i, --ignore-zeros
[09:03] <Tonio_>               ignore blocks of zeros in archive (normally mean EOF)
[09:04] <Tonio_> manchicken: but that's not the subject, hehe, it looks like patch one doesn't apply, so the other ones are ignores, which sounds logic
[09:04] <manchicken> Weird.
[09:04] <Tonio_> manchicken: to try the patches with cdbs, go in the srcdir and perform "fakeroot debian/rules apply-patches"
[09:04] <Tonio_> and "remove-patches" to deapply
[09:05] <Tonio_> manchicken: how do you write you patches ?
[09:05] <Tonio_> I generally use cdbs-edit-patch
[09:05] <manchicken> Not with this system.
[09:05] <Tonio_> that's the best way to be sure everything will work
[09:05] <manchicken> How do I do that?
[09:05] <Tonio_> I use diff only when there is something special like diff with binary datas or something
[09:05] <manchicken> I'm not getting any trouble.
[09:06] <Tonio_> manchicken: simply go in the srcdir andperform a "cdbs-edit-patch yourpatch"
[09:06] <Tonio_> then edit what you want, and when you exit everything you changed goes in the form of a patch, that's it
[09:09] <Tonio_> allee: ping ?
[09:11] <manchicken> Didn't help.
[09:12] <manchicken> All I want to do is add this new file to the build process.  It doesn't seem like this patch thing is doing that.
[09:13] <manchicken> Now it's got me in /tmp/cdbs-new-patch.b17925/adept-2.1.2ubuntu3.new
[09:13] <Tonio_> manchicken: the problem is that as long as a patch fails to apply the other ones are ignored........
[09:13] <manchicken> When I ran the applypatch thing, it wasn't complaining.
[09:13] <manchicken> How do I recreate your problem?
[09:14] <Tonio_> man untar the bz2 archive and perform a fakeroot debian/rules apply-patches
[09:14] <Tonio_> manchicken: and there are lots of messing files in your debian folder..........
[09:14] <Tonio_> .log files should be removed
[09:14] <Tonio_> etc....
[09:15] <Tonio_> manchicken: I'm trying to get the current adept package and then add just your kubuntu_03 patch
[09:15] <Tonio_> and test
[09:15] <manchicken> (feistydev)devuser@larry:~/kubuntu/adept/adept-2.1.2ubuntu3$ fakeroot ./debian/rules apply-patches
[09:15] <manchicken> test -x debian/rules
[09:15] <manchicken> mkdir -p "obj-x86_64-linux-gnu"
[09:15] <Tonio_> why creating this ?
[09:16] <Tonio_> ah that's the fakeroot thing sorry ;)
[09:16] <manchicken> That's just what I get when I put that in there.
[09:16] <Tonio_> okay the problem is that you have a crappy structure....
[09:16] <manchicken> I get the same output with and without the fakeroot
[09:16] <Tonio_> all .log files should be removed etc......
[09:16] <manchicken> I did
[09:17] <Tonio_> that's why I only use cdbsto patch :)
[09:17] <Tonio_> okay letme test with a clean tree andyour patch
[09:18] <Tonio_> rying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_01_enable_sources_editor.diff at level 1 ...                                                                                success.
[09:18] <Tonio_> Trying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_02_archive_limit.diff at level 1 ... success                                                                                .
[09:18] <Tonio_> Trying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_03_sources_entry.diff at level 1 ... success                                                                                .
[09:18] <Tonio_> works........
[09:18] <Tonio_> manchicken: the problem is your crappy tree :)
[09:18] <Tonio_> take the adept source package and just add your patch that's work
[09:20] <manchicken> OOH!!!
[09:20] <manchicken> So this thing will let you go in and make changes, and then when you exit(0) it'll make your patch?
[09:20] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/41
[09:20] <Tonio_> manchicken: eactly :)
[09:21] <Tonio_> without touching the tree content
[09:21] <Tonio_> manchicken: that's why I love it
[09:21] <manchicken> So I don't even have to diff?
[09:21] <Tonio_> yup
[09:21] <manchicken> Hell no...
[09:21] <manchicken> why didn't anybody say so?
[09:21] <manchicken> heh
[09:21] <Tonio_> manchicken: and if you need to apply big change, you even can mv files in the temp tree
[09:21] <Tonio_> the'll go in the patch too
[09:21] <Tonio_> manchicken: bah I just said that to you ;)
[09:22] <manchicken> So I say 'cdbs-edit-patch kubuntu_03_sources_entry' and then make my changes?
[09:22] <manchicken> Then ^D?
[09:23] <Tonio_> manchicken: and the good thing with cdbs is that it applies existing patches in the temp folder
[09:23] <Tonio_> so that you're not messed up with changes in other patches etc......
[09:23] <Tonio_> all you have to do is do your changes and let cdbs do the stuff
[09:23] <Tonio_> manchicken: but your patch works, don't mind, simply put it in a clean adept source package
[09:23] <Tonio_> just apt-get source adept and add your patch, that'll work
[09:23] <manchicken> I've done that before.
[09:23] <Tonio_> manchicken: yup, that's the way to use it
[09:24] <Tonio_> manchicken: and that doesn't help ?
[09:24] <Tonio_> it builds with the patch here.........
[09:24] <Tonio_> just ran a debuild -S && sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc
[09:25] <Tonio_> the build goes with the patch, no problem
[09:25] <nixternal> crimsun_: when you get a little time (maybe a few minutes), i have some audio related questions for you
[09:26] <manchicken> I didn't know to make my changes in cdbs-edit-patch
[09:26] <Tonio_> manchicken: okay
[09:28] <manchicken> It's compiling now.
[09:28] <ryanakca> ok... What else should I package, seeing that the two packages I'm working on are kaput. first one bddebian and I spent 5-6 hours trying to get to build with no success, the other one someone else has claimed.
[09:28] <manchicken> It says it applied it.
[09:28] <manchicken> The build will tell for shizzle.
[09:28] <Tonio_> manchicken: but the crazy thing with cdbs-edit-patch is that you can edit an existing patch with it ;)
[09:28] <manchicken> Oh?
[09:29] <manchicken> That's insane.
[09:29] <manchicken> Seriously insane.
[09:29] <Tonio_> the only needed thing is that the patches have a .patch extension instead of .diff
[09:29] <Tonio_> if you have a kubuntu_01_bla.patch file
[09:29] <manchicken> I think that may be why it wasn't applying things.
[09:29] <Tonio_> you can edi the patch with cdbs-edit-patch kubuntu_01_bla
[09:29] <manchicken> So perhaps it's not that this process is stupid...
[09:29] <manchicken> Maybe it's that it'
[09:29] <manchicken> s advanced, but poorly documented.
[09:29] <Tonio_> you have to remove the extesion btw or that'll create a .patch.patch file :)
[09:30] <Tonio_> manchicken: yes, cdbs documentation is globally a pain, I agree
[09:30] <Tonio_> expecially the patchsys thing
[09:30] <manchicken> and as a result, I've burned an awful lot of time.
[09:30] <manchicken> nixternal: Document cdbs ^_^
[09:30] <Tonio_> nixternal: hehe ;)
[09:31] <Tonio_> manchicken: you'll earn time in the future, that's the most important
[09:31] <Tonio_> just use it and your life will change
[09:32] <manchicken> heh
[09:32] <Tonio_> :)
[09:32] <Tonio_> manchicken: the man is quite complete btw
[09:32] <crimsun_> nixternal: hi. Is it a development-related issue? If not, we'll migrate to #kubuntu, thanks.
[09:33] <nixternal> i can do that
[09:33] <fdoving> Tonio_: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/cdbs-edit-diff for .diffs :)
[09:34] <Tonio_> fdoving: hu ? ;) hehe interesting :)
[09:34] <fdoving> it's cdbs-edit-patch with s/.patch/.diff/g basically.
[09:34] <Tonio_> fdoving: that's what I was just writing in fact hehe :)
[09:35] <Tonio_> I recently discovered the .diff.uu support in patchsys, that's pretty amazing too
[09:35] <fdoving> .. i don't rename things.. I edited cdbs-edit-patch to support .diffs, do you rename?
[09:35] <fdoving> diff.uu support? what's that used for?
[09:35] <Tonio_> fdoving: no I use .patch extension
[09:35] <Tonio_> fdoving: well patch to add an image for example
[09:35] <ryanakca> is anybody packaging http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=31311 ?
[09:35] <Tonio_> you sometimes need binaries datas
[09:36] <fdoving> ok. i find it easier to use .diff as most kde stuff is .diff
[09:36] <jpatrick> ryanakcha: I hate it when that happens
[09:36] <Tonio_> that's easier than having an svg file with a bunch of rules to convert to png and replace files
[09:36] <fdoving> Tonio_: ok. i do that manually.. or have until now. How easy is it to use? do you have a example package?
[09:36] <jpatrick> ryanakca: but the early packager gets.. the package done
[09:37] <Tonio_> fdoving: hum, we have a patch like this one in kdebase
[09:37] <Tonio_> it is a debian package to add a png file for wallpaper
[09:37] <ryanakca> jpatrick: yeah
[09:37] <Tonio_> fdoving: you create it with a diff -Nura, but whazt is interesting is that you don't have any debian/rules file to perform to get it applied
[09:38] <fdoving> Tonio_: it's automatic?
[09:38] <Tonio_> fdoving: but cdbs-edit-patch doesn't help to create this, you still have to diff and uuencode manually
[09:38] <Tonio_> fdoving: to apply, yes, but the patch creation is manual
[09:38] <Tonio_> you have to create it with diff and uuencode...
[09:39] <fdoving> Tonio_: ah. I get it.
[09:39] <fdoving> nice feature.
[09:44] <manchicken> Okay, it looks like it added my file in the patch, but I still don't see a .o in the obj directory.
[09:48] <Tonio_> manchicken: is that supposed to be created during the build ?
[09:49] <manchicken> I would think so.
[09:49] <manchicken> But I don't know this build process.
[09:49] <manchicken> I'm going to try and apply this patch and include the header and see if it'll build.
[09:52] <ryanakca> note to all: dibs on solseek
[09:57] <manchicken> Okay, now it's failing to patch.
[10:50] <fdoving> nite.
[10:51] <jpatrick> cya
[11:00] <jdong> imbrandon: ping
[11:03] <imbrandon> pong
[11:04] <imbrandon> jdong, ?
[11:04] <jdong> typing
[11:04] <imbrandon> ahh
[11:05] <jdong> imbrandon: I've got my ipod transferring videos now, needed libgpod 0.4.0 from feisty + recompile of amarok against it
[11:05] <jdong> imbrandon: only remaining problem is, the names always show up blank for videos
[11:05] <manchicken> WHY is this patch failing?
[11:05] <imbrandon> hrm that effect more than just amarok, ipod kio slave and a ton of gnome apps use that lib also
[11:05] <manchicken> Trying reverse patch debian/patches/kubuntu_04_sources_entry_more.patch at level 1 ... 0 ... 2 ... failure.
[11:05] <manchicken> make: *** [reverse-patches]  Error 1
[11:06] <jdong> imbrandon: I did recompile everythign on my system that rdepends on libgpod
[11:06] <imbrandon> right but what about banshee and other gnome apps
[11:06] <jdong> imbrandon: the newer gtkpods transfer video flawlessly, title and all
[11:07] <manchicken> Anybody know how I could troubleshoot this patch stupidity?
[11:07] <jdong> imbrandon: and amarok can "see" the titles on videos that gtkpod transferred
[11:07] <imbrandon> hrm ok, are you going to be on in a few hours? or can you email me your finding, i would like to investigate a little more BUT i JUST got a new computer mail order and i wanna put it togather
[11:07] <jdong> imbrandon: though editing and viewing the tags shows all blank
[11:07] <imbrandon> manchicken, i do it by trial and error
[11:07] <manchicken> I have no idea why it's failing.
[11:07] <jdong> imbrandon: sure, no problem, ping me when you got a chance
[11:07] <Tonio_> manchicken: if your patch touche Makefiles.in files for example, it'll not be possibleto reverse it after they are re-generated
[11:07] <manchicken> Like, I don't know if it's a merge conflict, a code problem, why.
[11:07] <imbrandon> jdong, ok i'm guessing 3 hours to unpack everthing and load the os etc
[11:07] <Tonio_> man are you touching a makefile.in file for example ?
[11:08] <manchicken> It should only be touching source files.
[11:08] <jdong> imbrandon: ok, thanks for your time, enjoy your new system!
[11:08] <imbrandon> 4 core 3gz system :)
[11:08] <imbrandon> ( 2x dual core )
[11:08] <imbrandon> :)
[11:08] <Tonio_> man can you tar.gz all the patches please ? I'll try to implement them
[11:09] <imbrandon> heya Tonio_
[11:09] <Tonio_> I'll fix them or eventually try to figure out why they don't apply
[11:09] <Tonio_> hey imbrandon :)
[11:09] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I'll place the laptop order tomorrow probably
[11:09] <imbrandon> Tonio_, rockin
[11:09] <imbrandon> just lemme know
[11:09] <Tonio_> christmas is giving me hard time actually
[11:09] <imbrandon> :)
[11:09] <Tonio_> yup of course
[11:09] <imbrandon> np, me too
[11:09] <imbrandon> and tomarrow is my bday sooo
[11:09] <imbrandon> heh
[11:09] <Tonio_> manchicken: I'm waiting for a mail with the patches you have :)
[11:09] <imbrandon> i'll probably be very sloshed tomarrow
[11:09] <imbrandon> Tonio_, ^
[11:10] <Tonio_> hehe
[11:10] <manchicken> I'll fight it later.
[11:10] <imbrandon> manchicken, yea Tonio_ is the "get patch working king"
[11:10] <manchicken> heh
[11:10] <imbrandon> btw what ever happened with your kaffeine patches Tonio_
[11:10] <imbrandon> are we gonna use them?
[11:10] <manchicken> I'm going to be going downstate for a while in a short while.
[11:10] <imbrandon> or not this time
[11:10] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hu ? not more than another one :)
[11:11] <imbrandon> :)
[11:11] <Tonio_> imbrandon: nope we're not gonna use them, since a lot of people were complaning about the idea.......
[11:11] <imbrandon> Tonio_, your better at getting rouge patches working than i sometimes
[11:11] <imbrandon> Tonio_, awe, ok
[11:11] <Tonio_> imbrandon: so I just removed all the audio mimetypes by default and that's it
[11:11] <imbrandon> kk
[11:12] <Tonio_> imbrandon: well as long as I understand what the patch does yes it is okay
[11:12] <Tonio_> imbrandon: but the fact I can't code C++ sometimes gives me hard time too :)
[11:12] <imbrandon> heh
[11:12] <imbrandon> ok time to put the new system togather bbiab
[11:12] <Tonio_> seya
[11:14] <Tonio_> manchicken: ?
[11:14] <jdong> imbrandon: Some tell me I need amarok --with-mp4v2; gonna try that :)
[11:14] <manchicken> I'm going to be out of town until January soon.
[11:15] <imbrandon> jdong, sure but that wont fly in main
[11:15] <imbrandon> mp4v2 support requires stuff from multiverse
[11:15] <jdong> imbrandon: I understand that...
[11:16] <jdong> imbrandon: that also means amarok currently can't tag AAC m4a's ,right?
[11:16] <imbrandon> correct
[11:16] <crimsun_> imbrandon: if he files a bug, just reject it and then poke him in the FACE.
[11:16] <imbrandon> crimsun_, hehe
[11:20] <jdong> crimsun_: don't make me bug you about --enable-x264 in deb_rules_risky of ffmpeg :D
[11:21] <crimsun_> did you mark the bug wishlist?
[11:22] <jdong> imbrandon: ok, in that case I'll continue using good old gtkpod for transfering m4v's . thanks for your time
[11:22] <jdong> crimsun_: (1) haven't had time to file it yet , (2) I can't change Importance....
[11:22] <crimsun_> file it, tell me the bug#
[11:22] <jdong> ok
[11:28] <jdong> crimsun_:   Bug 76354
[11:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76354 in ffmpeg "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=risky should enable x264" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76354
[11:29] <crimsun_> REJECTED.
[11:35] <manchicken> Later all.
[11:40] <jdong> crimsun_: you almost had me boiling mad there ;-)
[11:40] <crimsun_> then we'd be tit-for-tat
[11:41] <jdong> aww, I love you too, crimsun_


[18:12] <mup> PR snapd#12487 opened: Support packaged nVidia drivers, improve zoom support with said drivers <Created by zelch> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12487>