[05:44] <faxons> I don't really know, I've been using oss for a while but I'm not great with the GNU dev environment
[05:44] <randabis-laptop> lol
[05:45] <jdub> sri_: doing it :-)
[05:45] <faxons> cd burning in rhythmbox would be nice
[05:45] <sri_> jdub: rock :)
[05:45] <sri_> faxons: code's in there kinda sorta
[05:45] <drspin> playlist sorting in rhythmbox would be nicer
[05:46] <hams> on boot, the kernel looks at /dev/sda1, it there a way to stop that?
[05:46] <drspin> keeping within the do one thing well concept discussed earlier ;)
[05:46] <sri_> faxons: you have to get it from the tla rb branch
[05:46] <faxons> yea, but I think that's a little out of my league right now
[05:46] <eyequeue> brb
[05:46] <sri_> faxons: heh.  well, one day walters will wake up from doing cups+gnome stuff and work on rb.
[05:47] <sri_> but you really do want walters to work on CUPS+gnome integration ;)
[05:47] <faxons> I'm that damn generation Y  I want results right away
[05:48] <faxons> something I can get into and feel like I'm helping sooner rather than later
[05:48] <geneo93> is there a way to check mru with dial up
[05:48] <Darcy> hi ppls i need some help with ubuntu
[05:49] <|QuaD-> Darcy: you came ot the right place
[05:50] <kakalto> I don't suppose anyone has an idea of where I can find a grub install disk image?
[05:50] <estebandido> :)
[05:50] <Darcy> can anybody give me thi minimum system requirements?
[05:50] <faxons> sri: any sugestions?
[05:50] <geneo93> for install or live cd
[05:51] <Darcy>  install, butr right now i am using live cd
[05:51] <kakalto> did you download them or get it shipped?
[05:51] <Darcy> download
[05:51] <kakalto> ohk
[05:51] <bob2> kakalto: er, grub installl disk image? what for?
[05:52] <geneo93> well i would recommend at least 256mb of ram
[05:52] <kakalto> bob2, I want to install grub to a certain partition, so it doesn't matter if I ever wipe any other partitions
[05:53] <Darcy> im using 224 now and it works ok
[05:53] <kakalto> Darcy; it REQUIREs 32MB RAM, and 1.8GB HDD space, or 350MB HDD Space for minimum install
[05:53] <Darcy> thanx dude
[05:53] <geneo93> well it should be enough but not for kde and OO
[05:54] <kakalto> but if your hardware is old, you can have troubles installing it, due to driver issues...
[05:54] <Darcy> what about cpu? any idea?
[05:54] <rob__> ive seen it work on pentium 1s Darcy
[05:54] <eyequeue> Darcy:  i suspect 386
[05:54] <kakalto> not sure, I haven't got the GUI working on my 233Mhz computer yet
[05:54] <kakalto> but that was a driver issue :P
[05:54] <eyequeue> Darcy:  the default kernel is 386 at least
[05:54] <geneo93> np8-)
[05:55] <Darcy> i want to install it on p2-400 256mb ram and 32mb vid card
[05:55] <|QuaD-> Darcy: that will work
[05:55] <geneo93> thats fine
[05:55] <Darcy> only thing is its a compaq
[05:55] <Darcy> yeah, but for some reason live cd didnt worj
[05:55] <geneo93> more than enough
[05:56] <randabis-laptop> it didn't work? in what way?
[05:56] <rob__> that should be fine.  it will be  a bit slow unless you use something minimal like Icewm or whatever
[05:56] <Darcy> GUI stuffed up all fuzzy
[05:56] <Darcy> and wierd
[05:56] <randabis-laptop> hmm
[05:56] <geneo93> i installed it on old hp vectra 200mhz 96 mb of ram 4 mb video card
[05:57] <mpool> or do this: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/gnome/metacity-slow-machines.html
[05:57] <geneo93> slow but usable
[05:57] <eyequeue> sourcefrog? :)
[05:57] <eyequeue> i like that
[05:57] <mpool> (-:
[05:58] <Darcy> how do i use this?
[05:58] <randabis-laptop> netsplit
[06:00] <Darcy> where do i find that?
[06:00] <mpool> use which?
[06:01] <Darcy> http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/gnome/metacity-slow-machines.html
[06:03] <bur[n] er> anyone have issues with array 3 and x not working... then the pc freezing completely?
[06:03] <daniels> er
[06:03] <bur[n] er> (maybe i should use warty)
[06:03] <Darcy> i went to failsafe on the p2-400
[06:04] <Darcy> it should work
[06:04] <bur[n] er> how would you fix it Darcy?
[06:04] <Darcy> do u guys think i should install it on a seperate partition hwen i get the intall cd
[06:04] <Darcy> i dont know
[06:05] <Darcy> i was saying that it should work
[06:05] <mpool> Darcy: you use the metacity reduced-resources mode by typing those two commands into a shell
[06:05] <Orbo> little help?
[06:05] <Orbo> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:05] <Darcy> ok
[06:05] <geneo93> seperate from what
[06:05] <Darcy> what do i save it into
[06:05] <bitfoo> yo how do i see which video card driver i am using
[06:05] <mpool> save what into?
[06:05] <bitfoo> like whether its the fglxr running or mesa or whatev
[06:06] <mpool> bitfoo: /var/log/X.0.log
[06:06] <Darcy> the commands
[06:06] <Orbo> what does this mean?
[06:06] <Orbo> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:06] <mpool> paste them into a gnome-terminal
[06:06] <bitfoo> oh i dont have x.org
[06:06] <bitfoo> right
[06:07] <Darcy> ok got it
[06:07] <Darcy> but i want to do this on my mother computer
[06:07] <Darcy> and i cant see the gui
[06:07] <bitfoo> ok nice :)
[06:07] <Darcy> on that one
[06:07] <mpool> for her account, or for yours?
[06:07] <bitfoo> (II) fglrx(0):     Name: fglrx
[06:07] <bitfoo> (II) fglrx(0):     Version: 3.12.0
[06:08] <mpool> hm
[06:08] <randabis-laptop> Orbo, that means you aren't using direct rendering
[06:08] <mpool> there should be some way to set them system-wide, but i'm not sure
[06:08] <mpool> have a look at the gconftool docs
[06:10] <Darcy> well thanks dudes ,you guys have been alot of help ;)
[06:10] <Darcy> c yas
[06:11] <hams> can i install ubuntu on an external firewire drive with the install CD?
[06:11] <geneo93> hmmm gaim just crashed on me
[06:12] <mpool> probably
[06:12] <mpool> can your machine boot from a firewire drive though?
[06:12] <bur[n] er> anyone successfully use hoary-array-3.iso ??
[06:12] <geneo93> if it will boot
[06:12] <drspin> http://mes.emuunlim.com/software/macos/macos.htm :: I didn't validate the links but it looks good
[06:12] <drspin> geneo93: are you using pre 1.0?
[06:12] <hams> mpool: i don't know, but i read an article on how to boot from a flash drive and then mount the firewire drive and boot from there
[06:13] <geneo93> prolly just updating now
[06:13] <drspin> geneo93: I still had some stability issues before 1.0
[06:14] <geneo93> i have 1.1.2 in mdk but i dunno what one this is
[06:14] <geneo93> no its v1.0.0
[06:16] <geneo93> can i paste here 4 lines
[06:16] <|QuaD-> geneo93: NO!!!
[06:16] <|QuaD-> pastebin
[06:16] <|QuaD-> #flood
[06:16] <drspin> geneo93: for what purpose?
[06:16] <mpool> i think 4 lines would be OK
[06:16] <mpool> since you just used 3 lines saying NO after all
[06:17] <drspin> I agree
[06:17] <gamecat> hey all.
[06:17] <geneo93> none maybe its something else SAXv1 is what its calling
[06:17] <|QuaD-> geneo93: I WILL BAN YOU FROM IRC... not just this channel, not just this network, but ALL of IRC
[06:18] <mpool> ah
[06:18] <mpool> gotta love freenode
[06:18] <Orbo> these gl screen savers should all be working fine with a 9800pro right?
[06:18] <Orbo> is there a was to see if the driver is even loaded?
[06:18] <geneo93> yeah right
[06:18] <drspin> lsmod
[06:18] <drspin> oops
[06:18] <drspin> wrong driver ;)
[06:18] <swj> I just installed ubuntu for the first time using expert. Just a few questions. :)
[06:19] <|QuaD-> ok?
[06:19] <bitfoo> orbo: try running glxgear in a terminal to see what your framerates are :O
[06:19] <swj> I was just wondering why games were installed even though I did a custom install
[06:19] <bitfoo> err sorry glxgears
[06:19] <drspin> *twitch* bed time *twitch*
[06:19] <drspin> night all
[06:19] <bitfoo> yo how do i run a .patch :O
[06:20] <gamecat> I'm here for wireless help, if anyone can give it.
[06:20] <geneo93> why terminal you can turn that on
[06:21] <swj> also how can I upgrade to hoary?
[06:21] <Orbo> bitfoo: 370fps
[06:21] <Orbo> sometimes jumping to 1170
[06:21] <bitfoo> :O
[06:21] <bitfoo> i get 1300fps with radeon 9700 mobile :/
[06:21] <K-Rich> Greets
[06:21] <HrdwrBoB> swj: change 'warty' to 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list and either use synaptic of apt-get to upgrade
[06:21] <farruinn> Orbo: you could 'grep /var/log/[applicable X log here]  [driver name] '
[06:21] <Orbo> lsmod doesnt say anything ati related
[06:21] <geneo93> just change warty to hoary in sources
[06:21] <swj> thanks
[06:21] <HrdwrBoB> gamecat: what is your wireless problem
[06:21] <swj> I just want to see what happens :)
[06:22] <bitfoo> yeh do that
[06:22] <geneo93> repositories that is
[06:22] <farruinn> Orbo: that's because lsmod is for kernel modules
[06:22] <bitfoo> it would be XFree86-4.0.log for you i think
[06:22] <randabis-laptop> Orbo you should be using the fglrx driver for your card
[06:22] <swj> I like ubuntu overall but I would like more customization in terms of install base apps, (ex. no games and such)
[06:22] <bitfoo> so "grep /var/log/XFree86-4.0.log fglrx"
[06:23] <|QuaD-> swj: apt-get remove?
[06:23] <bitfoo> yeh just remove them :O
[06:23] <HrdwrBoB> swj: once you start including options like that, you lose the simplicity of the install
[06:23] <randabis-laptop> swj you should have been able to remove them in the beginning with aptitude
[06:23] <bitfoo> i didnt even see a choice to install for expert lol :X
[06:23] <swj> Quad thanks I am comming from fedora core..so I am new to apt (and linux) and not afraid to admit it
[06:23] <Orbo> randbis-laptop
[06:23] <farruinn> is that what "expert mode" or whatever does for you? puts you into aptitude?
[06:23] <Orbo> i am
[06:23] <randabis-laptop> also, the server option will only install the bare minimum system
[06:24] <|QuaD-> swj: there are great tutorials on ubuntuguide.org
[06:24] <swj> I'll check it out
[06:24] <geneo93> new to apt
[06:25] <geneo93> gee thats all i used in fedora
[06:25] <swj> I am not partial to any distro..I think linux should be fun...so I'm keeping an open mind...this ubuntu thing is different though ;)
[06:25] <swj> geneo93, yum is the default in fedora
[06:25] <swj> rpm
[06:25] <geneo93> well yum is silly
[06:26] <swj> in any case geneo93, rpm is the default
[06:26] <geneo93> so is yast
[06:26] <geneo93> i always use apt
[06:26] <swj> ok
[06:27] <|QuaD-> rpm=yucky
[06:27] <randabis-laptop> I really dislike yast...It would be okay if it actually worked correctly most of the time hehe
[06:27] <|QuaD-> urpmi was ok
[06:27] <gamecat> okay, I need help from someone who has installed a new wireless card into an existing ubuntu box and then joined an existing wireless network.
[06:27] <gamecat> preferably one using an apple AirPort as the ap.
[06:27] <swj> if speaking about yast in terms of SUse..I was'nt impressed with suse
[06:27] <geneo93> sure better than yast or yum
[06:28] <randabis-laptop> gamecat there's entries in the ubuntu wiki on that subject
[06:28] <geneo93> suse's ok i needs some things
[06:28] <bitfoo> suse is PIMP for laptops though
[06:28] <gamecat> yeah... unfortunately, they have not gotten me where I need to be.
[06:28] <randabis-laptop> dang
[06:28] <gamecat> gleaned a lot from em tho.
[06:29] <randabis-laptop> how about the ubuntu forums?
[06:29] <farruinn> gamecat: perhaps you could ask a more specific question then
[06:29] <gamecat> enough that I bought a card with an atheros chipset so I could use the madwifi drivers.
[06:29] <gamecat> on it, farruinn.
[06:29] <gamecat> just sec.
[06:29] <swj> suse never detects my Lcd syncmaster monitors correctly (out of sync) oh irony.
[06:29] <geneo93> well what were u using before wireless
[06:29] <gamecat> yer basic 3com onboard ethernet.
[06:29] <gamecat> ok, here's the sich.
[06:30] <gamecat> new house, roommates have set up wireless only. no way for me to do wired access.
[06:30] <geneo93> dont anyone know here this is the help channel
[06:30] <swj> anyone using hoary in here?
[06:30] <randabis-laptop> I am
[06:30] <gamecat> so I installed a D-Link DWL-G520
[06:30] <randabis-laptop> I have it running smoothly on 3 boxes
[06:30] <gamecat> in my desktop.
[06:30] <drspin> can I directly control the fans in my comp?
[06:31] <gamecat> So now, ubuntu recognizes that there's an ath0 device installed, and I can change its properties with iwconfig.
[06:31] <geneo93> swj:  i had it but rearanged things on this box so reinstalling now
[06:31] <randabis-laptop> drspin you'd need a fan controller of some sort, or a motherboard that does that
[06:31] <gamecat> HOWEVER, I can't connect to my housemates' network.
[06:31] <drspin> randabis-laptop: I just don't remember these fans being so loud when I was running windows
[06:31] <bitfoo> anyone patched their dsdt table here
[06:31] <gamecat> I know the ESSID and the password/key
[06:32] <gamecat> but I don't know the channel, and I don't know how to work with scanning for networks.
[06:32] <swj> what I can't figure is the difference between a expert install and a straight install (auto) .. I suppose the partitioning for one?
[06:32] <gamecat> now, on winXP, which I'm using now, the network management ware will automatically detect networks in the area.
[06:32] <geneo93> use airsnort
[06:32] <gamecat> yeah?
[06:33] <gamecat> is that part of base install, or should I grab debs before booting back to ubuntu.
[06:33] <gamecat> ?
[06:33] <geneo93> no not partitioning
[06:33] <godsmoke> airsnort is a terrible way to 'detect' networks
[06:33] <gamecat> Okay.
[06:33] <godsmoke> there is no good application with ubuntu packages to do that
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> sudo iwlist eth1 scan
[06:33] <gamecat> god damn.
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> where eth1 is your wireless device
[06:34] <gamecat> so what's my course of action? Do I need to ... hmm.
[06:34] <geneo93> well what other method u going to use then
[06:34] <godsmoke> HrdwrBoB: most chipset drivers in linux don't support that
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> if you're using hoary, you can apt-get install netapplet
[06:34] <gamecat> godsmoke: atheros chipset; assume I'm using the madwifi drivers since it shows up as ath0.
[06:34] <gamecat> does that support it?
[06:34] <godsmoke> hrm ...
[06:35] <godsmoke> dunno
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> gamecat: tryit and you will know :)
[06:35] <godsmoke> give it a try
[06:35] <geneo93> gee he needs net to get hoary
[06:35] <godsmoke> I don't use atheros
[06:35] <gamecat> what do you use?
[06:35] <|QuaD-> anyone here using a card with prism2 chipset?
[06:35] <eyequeue>  ipw2200 here
[06:35] <randabis-laptop> no my wifi card is a DWL-G630
[06:35] <eyequeue> centrino
[06:35] <swj> guess I'm going to upgrade to hoary and watch my ubuntu break
[06:36] <swj> thanks for the help
[06:36] <randabis-laptop> it won't break
[06:36] <|QuaD-> swj: you are new to debian, and going to hoary? not reccomended
[06:36] <gamecat> at any rate, doing this automatically isn't top priority; if I can just figure out what to put in manually, that's good enough for now.
[06:36] <jdub> s/won't/shouldn't/
[06:36] <geneo93> dont forget kernel 2.6.10
[06:36] <randabis-laptop> "unstable" is semi misleading
[06:37] <eyequeue> stable means unchanging
[06:37] <swj> QuaD, well I figure when I run into problems and then I figure out how to fix it...I learn something
[06:37] <eyequeue> unstable changes often
[06:37] <geneo93> only certain things are unstable
[06:37] <swj> I want to learn more about linux (debian) than just using gaim and IRC / firefox :)
[06:38] <eyequeue> swj:  lynx /usr/share/doc/    :)
[06:38] <geneo93> swj:  i have a unix manual you could read
[06:38] <jdub> randabis-laptop: yeah, that's why we don't call it "unstable" directly
[06:38] <|QuaD-> i jsut touched my tounge to the uart cable from the back of my computer
[06:38] <K-Rich> swj: i suggest reading as many books as you can... and back up often :)
[06:38] <|QuaD-> that was fun
[06:39] <K-Rich> lol |QuaD-
[06:39] <swj> already read running linux 4th edition
[06:39] <swj> its ok
[06:39] <swj> not really to deep...good overview
[06:39] <jdub> randabis-laptop: so when people don't know what hoary means already, i explain it as "development branch" rather than saying the u word (not ubuntu ;)
[06:39] <|QuaD-> K-Rich: if you are looking for a good time try ti
[06:39] <eyequeue> 4.10th edition ;)
[06:39] <defile> this distro isn't bad ;P
[06:39] <randabis-laptop> jdub :) exactly
[06:40] <K-Rich> |QuaD-: naw, i was pulling a NIC from my box today and had my free arm on the case and forgot to unplug the box, shoick the hell out of myself
[06:40] <farruinn> you have to admit though that there are broken packages from time to time in unstable - I mean devel :P
[06:40] <geneo93> no if you want to learn user + admin commands you need unix manual
[06:40] <swj> from what I've been reading about hoary...it will be nice when its released
[06:40] <randabis-laptop> so grumpy has indeed been changed to Bendy? (hoary+1)
[06:40] <farruinn> swj: it will be awesome
[06:41] <eyequeue> geneo93, swj: http://rute.sourceforge.net/
[06:41] <randabis-laptop> farruinn that's the fun part
[06:41] <randabis-laptop> as beta testers we get to find the broken stuff and help the developers fix it
[06:41] <randabis-laptop> or fix it ourselves
[06:41] <gamecat> invalid project eyeque.
[06:41] <farruinn> if I had a second box I would install hoary on it
[06:41] <jdub> randabis-laptop: hasn't been announced yet, but it is almost certain
[06:42] <eyequeue> gamecat:  damn. it moved? :(
[06:42] <geneo93> dont make me load pages i'm on 28800 connection here
[06:42] <randabis-laptop> okay :) that's why the wiki hasn't changed then
[06:42] <swj> reason I don't like fedora anymore is the fact that there is too much outside interference with repos and such...no one can agree
[06:42] <|QuaD-> jdub: have you guys started working on grumpy/bendy yet? or do you wait until we get it to start?
[06:42] <talibkweli> does anyone here have experience dual booting FC3 and warty
[06:42] <gamecat> suppose so. *shrug*
[06:42] <gamecat> er, that was to eq.
[06:42] <eyequeue> geneo93:  i was recommending a good tutorial, but i guess it's gone now .... google for "rute"
[06:42] <geneo93> eyequeue:  that url is invalid
[06:43] <eyequeue> geneo93:  right
[06:43] <swj> eyequeue, rute does not work
[06:43] <eyequeue> geneo93:  i pointed many to it over the years, and now, poof, sorry
[06:43] <FR500> hello
[06:44] <geneo93> i have unix manual dont know how big it is but its usefull
[06:44] <FR500> what is the default root password? i never got asked for one and i can't use su -
[06:44] <randabis-laptop> there is none
[06:44] <FR500> not that i really needed it though
[06:44] <FR500> mmm
[06:44] <FR500> ok
[06:44] <randabis-laptop> if you want root
[06:44] <eyequeue> FR500:  there is none, use sudo instead
[06:44] <randabis-laptop> sudo su
[06:44] <swj> FR500, appears to be disabled
[06:44] <FR500> oh
[06:44] <swj> but there is indeed a root
[06:44] <randabis-laptop> password is your user password with sudo
[06:45] <gamecat> should you need a persistent root password, you can do sudo passwd root
[06:45] <gamecat> but you should try not for a while.
[06:45] <randabis-laptop> I don't find it necessary
[06:45] <gabaug> I messed up my dbus install by deleting some files (/etc/dbus-1/system.conf specifically) on hoary ...  I tried to apt-get --reinstall it but that complains about said file
[06:45] <randabis-laptop> sudo is secure enough
[06:46] <swj> I changed my source.list, so do I just apt upgrade or something like that?
[06:46] <swj> from sudo
[06:46] <randabis-laptop> swj apt-get update
[06:46] <randabis-laptop> apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:46] <eyequeue> swj, geneo93: i guess it is now at http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[06:46] <swj> randabis-laptop, thanks
[06:46] <swj> well let ya know how it went if I can get back ;)
[06:46] <geneo93> sjw just mark ugrades and apply
[06:47] <swj> geneo93, thank you mean synaptic
[06:47] <randabis-laptop> when it asks you about configuration files, tell it to write new ones unless you notice it is something you need
[06:47] <swj> ok thanks
[06:47] <randabis-laptop> dammit
[06:47] <randabis-laptop> I wasn't finished
[06:47] <randabis-laptop> lol
[06:47] <geneo93> why are you leaving
[06:48] <randabis-laptop> I was going to tell him that if the upgrade fails at any time to run it again
[06:48] <geneo93> yup simple thing is gui for apt
[06:48] <randabis-laptop> I perfer using apt-get
[06:48] <randabis-laptop> I only use synaptic if I'm searching for a package or just browsing what's available
[06:48] <FR500> on shutdown i get lots of too much work for irq 11 errors
[06:48] <FR500> what is that?
[06:49] <geneo93> oh yeah well i've started this thing here at least 10 times today
[06:49] <hams> is there a way to get the source used to compile debian packages?
[06:50] <geneo93> irq 11 is over loaded
[06:50] <geneo93> yes
[06:50] <FR500> well i didnt do a thing, just a default setup
[06:50] <randabis-laptop> hams I believe there's something called apt-build
[06:51] <geneo93> http://archive.ubuntu.com
[06:51] <randabis-laptop> and there are source debs for all packages
[06:51] <randabis-laptop> unless the package isn't open source
[06:51] <jdub> |QuaD-: doesn't open until preview/final
[06:51] <hams> hmmm... no apt-build in /usr/bin
[06:51] <|QuaD-> oh ok
[06:52] <FR500> where is grub config file?
[06:52] <geneo93> and there included in synaotic also
[06:52] <randabis-laptop> you probably have to install apt-build ....I don't know anything about it
[06:52] <geneo93> in boot
[06:53] <FR500> mmm
[06:53] <geneo93> hehe i used lilo
[06:53] <FR500> menu.lst?
[06:53] <randabis-laptop> I like grbu
[06:53] <randabis-laptop> grub even
[06:53] <geneo93> i dont like grub
[06:53] <randabis-laptop> FR500 /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:54] <FR500> thx
[06:54] <geneo93> not me lilo has support for reiserfs4 and grub dont
[06:54] <FR500> would adding those lines to my fc3 menu fix me for a dual linux boot?
[06:55] <randabis-laptop> should
[06:55] <FR500> thx
[06:55] <FR500> noob still
[06:55] <geneo93> i have yoper installed on reiserfs4 and grub dont see it
[06:55] <randabis-laptop> s'ok we all start somewhere
[06:56] <geneo93> hell i have 5 distros on this box
[06:56] <randabis-laptop> the grub developers are probably waiting for reiser 4 to be finished first..dunno
[06:56] <randabis-laptop> I stick with one distro
[06:56] <bitfoo> how do i know if acpi is running :|
[06:57] <geneo93> its stable enough for them to start 6 months ago
[06:57] <randabis-laptop> I'm sure they have their reasons...I can't speak for them
[06:57] <geneo93> ask it
[06:58] <geneo93> yeah i suppose
[06:58] <FR500> great to see i got my wifi working out of the box
[06:58] <FR500> does this use madwifi?
[06:58] <defile> bitfoo, dmesg |grep ACPI
[06:59] <geneo93> but i used grub early on and really didn't care for it i used bootman from beos for a time after that then went to lilo
[06:59] <bitfoo> that did nothing defile :(
[07:00] <bitfoo> maybe i have to reinstall it since i switched to 686 kernel instead of 386
[07:01] <geneo93> ahh thats a lilo option to turn it on or off
[07:01] <geneo93> thats another reason i use lilo
[07:03] <FR500> how do i setup samba here?
[07:04] <FR500> i isntalled it through synaptic
[07:04] <FR500> still it says it's not installed
[07:07] <FR500> someon here?
[07:15] <[optik] > hola
[07:15] <[optik] > qalguien que me pueda ayudar
[07:15] <[optik] > tengo un problema en ubuntu
[07:15] <[optik] > quiero instalar el java
[07:16] <[optik] > desde apt-gte
[07:16] <[optik] > desde apt-get
[07:16] <[optik] > pero no encuentra el paquete
[07:18] <LucidVisions> um..mucho personas aqui no habla espanol.Yo estudio poquito espanol en la esquela,pero no sabe mucho
[07:19] <hams> is ncurses installed by default?
[07:21] <Orbo> root@nyarlathotep:~/Desktop # rpm -i zsnes_1.400-1_i386.deb
[07:21] <Orbo> zsnes_1.400-1_i386.deb: read manifest failed: Success
[07:22] <LucidVisions> official java es no software lebre,pero no problema...un momento por favor,yo tiene el url link
[07:22] <|QuaD-> yo hablo ingles
[07:22] <nick01> hi
[07:22] <Orbo> problems with .deb packages
[07:22] <Orbo> any help?
[07:23] <nick01> I just installed ubuntu and started xchat- I can barely see the text- how do I make it readable ?
[07:23] <eyequeue> Orbo:  wrong tool
[07:23] <LucidVisions> QuaD: im trying my best to speak spanish to optik, but i dont think its working,lol
[07:23] <LucidVisions> hehe
[07:23] <nick01> the font is too dark
[07:23] <eyequeue> Orbo:  dpkg -i foo.deb, not rpm -i foo.deb
[07:23] <|QuaD-> lol
[07:23] <Orbo> ahhh, that makes sense...heh
[07:24] <froust> Anyone know why my eth0 is disabled when I reboot?
[07:24] <Orbo> Ive got another error too...
[07:24] <Orbo> root@nyarlathotep:~/Desktop # tar -xvjf zsnes142src.tar.gz
[07:24] <Orbo> bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
[07:24] <eyequeue> Orbo:  that's gzip, not bzip
[07:24] <geneo91> maybe its not set to start at boot
[07:25] <froust> gen: it used to?
[07:25] <Orbo> so I cant use the tar tool?
[07:25] <eyequeue> Orbo:  i think you don't want that j in there, you want a g maybe?
[07:25] <hams> a configure script can't find the ncurses library, does anyone know why that would be the case?
[07:25] <nick01> what about my xchat font ? :(
[07:25] <Orbo> ah
[07:26] <LucidVisions> Optic: aqui es el link para instructiones el java en ubuntu,http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport/view?searchterm=java
[07:27] <geneo91> well welcome to the club
[07:28] <eyequeue> Orbo:  i'm sorry, use the letter z rather than j
[07:28] <eyequeue> Orbo:  -xvzf
[07:28] <hams> is there a package i need to install that has all the system headers?
[07:28] <LucidVisions> el otro link es aqui,este java es mas nuevo,https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[07:29] <randabis-laptop> hams you need ncurses-dev
[07:29] <LucidVisions> man,i hope he can understand my spanglish,lol
[07:29] <LucidVisions> im german
[07:29] <LucidVisions> hehe
[07:29] <eyequeue> libncurses5-dev, perhaps?
[07:30] <eyequeue> hams:  to compile, think foo-dev, in debian-derived systems
[07:30] <hams> that's a handy note.
[07:30] <eyequeue> hams:  try sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[07:32] <hams> vile compiled!
[07:32] <bitfoo> where are the ubuntu masters :|
[07:33] <hams> thanks for all the help...
[07:33] <EvolutionR> Have any guys here have connected through the ADSL router modem / Lan Card, with bridge mode working? Saying connected to internet, but can't surf,ping websites, download, check email etc?
[07:33] <geneo91> hmm thats strange
[07:34] <melazyboy2> No compile anything in a debian derived system you will first need build-essential
[07:34] <melazyboy2> unless you want to do things the hard way, in which case you would probably be using gentoo
[07:34] <melazyboy2> apt-get install build-essential
[07:35] <Tomcat_> I love build-essential :o
[07:35] <melazyboy2> so do i
[07:35] <melazyboy2> getting make gcc glibc libgc6 etc etc etc etc gets v. old
[07:35] <Tomcat_> Damn... I thought it was an Ubuntu invention... but you just made me look in the Debain package db :)
[07:37] <melazyboy2> lol
[07:37] <Orbo> zsnes package tells me that I need a libpng upgrade
[07:37] <Orbo> how would I do this?
[07:37] <melazyboy2> if you apt get zsnes, and there is a libpng that satisfies it, it would get it for you
[07:38] <geneo91> hehe
[07:38] <melazyboy2> if your apt-getting or using synaptic and it bitches, there is nothign much you can do than either to -f (force) it or to msg the pkg maintainer
[07:38] <Orbo> so apt-get install zsnes?
[07:38] <melazyboy2> probably want to apt-cache search snes first make sure your getting the right one
[07:38] <Orbo> k
[07:39] <randabis-laptop> I installed the xmms-crossfade package, but the plugin is not showing up in xmms...any thoughts?
[07:39] <melazyboy2> gsnes9x sounds like a more mature package off hand
[07:39] <randabis-laptop> I dunno, the zsnes packages works pretty well from my experience
[07:40] <melazyboy2> randabis-laptop: apt-get --purge remove xmms, get the plugin, let dpkg satisfy dependency by getting xmms also and then see if it works
[07:40] <randabis-laptop> ok
[07:41] <bitfoo> YO
[07:41] <bitfoo> how do i install older versions of stuff
[07:41] <bitfoo> specifically flex and bison :|
[07:42] <melazyboy2> stick to zsnes, we all have our own preference im going soly on the desc, snes has more interfaces through x, opengl, gnome and gtk -- no to say zsnes doesn't i personally use zsnes on win32, but i also used gaim on win32
[07:42] <Orbo> E: Package zsnes has no installation candidate
[07:42] <Orbo> ??
[07:42] <Orbo> what does this mean?
[07:42] <Orbo> do I have to manually enter a server to get it from?
[07:42] <melazyboy2> orbo when you searched did it show up?
[07:42] <randabis-laptop> do you have universe enabled?
[07:43] <geneo91> prolly not
[07:43] <Orbo> melazyboy2: no,just drops to the next line
[07:44] <melazyboy2> randabis-laptop: geneo91 That is his problem -- but doing it for him won't really help him unless you want to admin his box.
[07:45] <melazyboy2> Orbo: Thats because apt will check your sources in /etc/apt/sources.list, and you are using the default which is Warty -- warty ensures that all software is time tested and secure, zsnes for some reason either didn't pass that or it has proprietary or non-free code in which case it would be in the 'multiverse'
[07:45] <geneo91> well he needs to read for 5 hours then
[07:45] <melazyboy2> so what you need to do is as root, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, and at the end add universe multiverse
[07:46] <melazyboy2> so you should have 'deb <url> warty main restricted universe multiverse'
[07:47] <geneo91> why not just add it in synaotic
[07:47] <geneo91> damn o in the way of p
[07:47] <melazyboy2> geneo91: He could do that, but because i don't use synaptic i figured i would show him that, how much easier could it be than editing one line
[07:47] <newbie> argh
[07:48] <randabis-laptop> heh purge removing xmms and installing the plugin with the xmms dependency didn't fix the problem
[07:48] <geneo91> well if he's new that'll take a while to find
[07:48] <melazyboy2> randabis-laptop: Ekk sorry to hear that, thats my only idea it worked once with a xine problem, you might have to consult the god of google
[07:49] <randabis-laptop> heh nevermind
[07:49] <randabis-laptop> I'm just stupid
[07:49] <randabis-laptop> I was looking for it in the wrong place
[07:49] <randabis-laptop> I was looking in effects plugins, but it's an output plugin
[07:49] <geneo91> well maybe its a fixed value
[07:49] <melazyboy2> geneo91: if he didn't want to learn chances are he would have just pirated a copy of windows =/
[07:49] <Orbo> melazyboy2: root@nyarlathotep:~ # apt-cache search zsnes
[07:49] <Orbo> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/univ erse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty-security_u niverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:49] <Orbo> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/mult iverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty-security _multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:49] <Orbo> root@nyarlathotep:~ #
[07:50] <bitfoo> dudes
[07:50] <geneo91> hehe
[07:50] <bitfoo> how do i install older versions of software
[07:50] <melazyboy2> well tahts fun
[07:50] <bitfoo> like flex and bison :|
[07:50] <melazyboy2> Orbo: issue 'apt-get update'
[07:50] <geneo91> anyone that uses linux i will help just to piss off gates
[07:50] <Orbo> melazyboy2
[07:50] <randabis-laptop> there's a package called flexold for old flex I think
[07:50] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: Go to their sites find their archive and download a copy
[07:50] <Orbo> k, I updated the source.list before and ran that command
[07:51] <bitfoo> oh so cant do it through apt? :(
[07:51] <Orbo> does that officially add the servers or something?
[07:51] <randabis-laptop> bitfoo there's an old version of flex in the repos
[07:51] <melazyboy2> Orbo: yes editing sources.list adds the servers, apt-get update, makes the computer aware of the change, and syncs your list with that of the server
[07:51] <geneo91> no
[07:51] <Orbo> melazyboy2: great!
[07:51] <Orbo> now I understand
[07:52] <Orbo> thanks
[07:52] <melazyboy2> Orbo: Did it work?
[07:52] <Orbo> let me check
[07:52] <bitfoo> oh man junk that
[07:52] <geneo91> Orbo:  open synaptic and do it the simple way why fight it
[07:52] <bitfoo> i will just run wine and get the win32 binary :|
[07:53] <Orbo> geneo91: because this is more fun ;)
[07:53] <geneo91> bitfoo:  why dont you just use windows then
[07:53] <randabis-laptop> because linux > windows?
[07:54] <bitfoo> why should i have to install a lower version of a program?
[07:54] <Orbo> melazyboy2: no dice
[07:54] <geneo91> Orbo:  did you edit sources file
[07:54] <melazyboy2>  Orbo paste your sources.list into #spam
[07:54] <Orbo> geneo91: yes
[07:54] <Orbo> k
[07:56] <coulix> hi guys is ther a soft which can correspond to this kind of thing : keeping track of what files i burned/saved and allowing me to some small queries in the lists (Date ect) ? or should i keep using my txt file
[07:57] <daryn> Can anyone give me a hand with settign up the pc on a windows network?
[07:57] <geneo91> i think gcombust has an option for that
[07:58] <geneo91> wired or wireless
[07:58] <daryn> wired
[07:58] <daryn> if I go to network settings
[07:59] <daryn> under General there is an option
[07:59] <daryn> "Enable Windows Networking"
[07:59] <geneo91> well if u use dhcp its really simple
[07:59] <coulix> i just installed gcompbust when the gui looks weird like this does it mean its gtk1 ? if so how do i change gtk1 themes ?
[07:59] <daryn> but I get an error that SMB support is not running
[08:00] <randabis-laptop> you need the samba packages daryn
[08:00] <randabis-laptop> you need smbfs, samba, samba-common I think
[08:00] <daryn> where do I get that
[08:00] <randabis-laptop> synaptic, aptitude, apt-get, pick your poison
[08:00] <daryn> I am looking at the CD and found a Samba folder
[08:00] <geneo91> dont matter if its bsd dhcp will give you what you need if you have windows broadcating dhcp
[08:01] <randabis-laptop> you don't need to browse the CD for anything
[08:01] <randabis-laptop> this ain't windows :p
[08:01] <coulix> how to change gtk1 themes ?
[08:01] <geneo91> hehe
[08:01] <daryn> well you will have to forgive me, but I am not very good with Linux and trying to get a feel for it
[08:01] <Orbo> thanks for all the help melazyboy2
[08:02] <geneo91> its best you poke and hope then
[08:02] <randabis-laptop> daryn open synaptic, it will help you immensely with package management
[08:02] <geneo91> its the only way to learn
[08:03] <daryn> randabis-laptop and that is where?
[08:03] <aru> wdoes ubuntu automaticly mount ntfs drives?
[08:03] <melazybo12> randabis-laptop: smbfs will refrence samba and samba-common
[08:03] <geneo91> daryn:  are u geting files from windows
[08:04] <randabis-laptop> meh, I don't remember the gnome 2.8 remember all that well...I think it is under Computer
[08:04] <daryn> nope, wanna copy files from a workstation to this machine
[08:04] <coulix> when is hoary coming out ?
[08:04] <daryn> ahhhh i see that
[08:05] <daryn> ta randabis
[08:05] <randabis-laptop> np
[08:05] <randabis-laptop> hoary is set for April 05
[08:05] <geneo91> are they shared sources
[08:05] <geneo91> may
[08:05] <daryn> ok all i could mark it for was Reinstallation
[08:06] <talibkweli> can anyone help me with dual boot i have FC3 already i want to add Warty also
[08:06] <randabis-laptop> hoary = ubuntu 5.04
[08:06] <Orcrist> anyone here use cedega?  I'm wondering if it has all the regular wine stuff plus extras... I want to run a few other windows apps besides games... can cedega handle those
[08:06] <Orcrist> ?
[08:06] <randabis-laptop> it should be able to run windows apps like wine
[08:06] <Orcrist> that's what I was thinking randabis
[08:06] <Orcrist> but wasn't sure
[08:06] <eyequeue> if 5.04 gets delayed until 5.05, will we therefore see 5.11 rather than 5.10?
[08:07] <coulix> like wine ? do u mean they are developing their own stuff ?
[08:07] <randabis-laptop> no
[08:07] <randabis-laptop> :/
[08:07] <daryn> hmm, ok, I seem to be downloading stuff
[08:07] <aru> hmm
[08:07] <FLeiXiuS> I'm under the expert install menu, and I'm asked for which type of partition I would like to choose.  I'm listed BSD, MSDOS, SUN, and a few others.  I'm not to sure as I am always receiving "Error 16" from grub.  Any ideas?
[08:07] <randabis-laptop> maybe I should have said like wine DOES
[08:08] <froust> Anyone really good with mounting things?
[08:08] <randabis-laptop> uh...you want your partition to be ext3 or reiserfs most likely...other options are jfs and xfs
[08:08] <FLeiXiuS> randabis-laptop, those are file systems, not partition table types..
[08:09] <geneo91> froust:  what do you want to mount
[08:09] <randabis-laptop> right
[08:09] <randabis-laptop> I haven't done an expert install so I dunno
[08:09] <geneo91> hehe
[08:09] <froust> geneo91: when i reboot with my usb flash drive plugged in, an icon shows up on my desktop and in my computer (same level as floppy, cdrom, filesystem, network in nautilus)
[08:10] <froust> hwo can i make it reappear when i just plug it in and mount it?
[08:10] <Orcrist> coulix, cedega is patched up wine that handles directx much nicer so you can play 3D games
[08:10] <daryn> randabis: i reinstalled that smbclient but no avail
[08:10] <randabis-laptop> I said smbfs not smbclient
[08:10] <Orcrist> froust, try #taxidermy
[08:10] <Orcrist> lol
[08:11] <daryn> sorry
[08:11] <froust> bah.
[08:11] <daryn> ok, doing that now
[08:11] <geneo91> oh maybe hotplugs not working
[08:11] <froust> how can i find out if they are?
[08:12] <Orcrist> try something else usb froust... like a gamepad
[08:12] <geneo91> well i know for fact mine aint
[08:12] <Orcrist> hotplug is a hair sketchy on my warty install as well
[08:13] <froust> i'm in hoary
[08:13] <Orcrist> my USB mouse sometimes doesn't work on boot
[08:13] <srid> is anyone using 'stardict' here?
[08:13] <geneo91> scanner or cam
[08:13] <FLeiXiuS> Any answers with partition table types?
[08:13] <srid> Is anyone using 'stardict' here? - should I install the 'wordnet' package to get the dictionary?
[08:13] <Orcrist> FLeiX, what are you trying to do?
[08:13] <geneo91> mine refuses to load and the scsi drivers as well
[08:13] <randabis-laptop> he's trying to do an expert install
[08:14] <Orcrist> I've done an expert install a few times
[08:14] <FLeiXiuS> randabis-laptop, it's the same with every install..
[08:14] <Orcrist> loads of fun! not
[08:14] <Orcrist> kind of like installing debian ;)
[08:14] <randabis-laptop> I never had that
[08:14] <daryn> loaded smbfs, it still gives em tha same error
[08:14] <FLeiXiuS> Orcrist, I've selected a whole hard drive to format, and it's asking me for the partition table type.
[08:14] <randabis-laptop> the partition types thing...never had that on the 3 installs I've done
[08:14] <Orcrist> it should just have a generic 'linux' option
[08:15] <Orcrist> after which you can choose from ext2, reiser, whatever flavor fs you want
[08:15] <geneo91> FLeiXiuS:  yeah use lilo instead of grub then it wont matter
[08:15] <randabis-laptop> and I do manual partitioning on every install
[08:15] <FLeiXiuS> Orcrist, As I thought, but it's showing, SUN, MARCO, MSDOS, PPC and a few more..
[08:15] <_4strO> hi all
[08:15] <geneo91> dos silly
[08:15] <randabis-laptop> maybe you downloaded the wrong iso?
[08:16] <FLeiXiuS> randabis-laptop, Absolutely absurd..
[08:16] <Orcrist> hmmm
[08:16] <Orcrist> odd
[08:16] <randabis-laptop> hey it happens
[08:16] <geneo91> yeah maybe its longhorn
[08:16] <FLeiXiuS> This all begam when I started to diagnos the Error 16 for the first time..
[08:16] <randabis-laptop> lol
[08:16] <Orcrist> fleix are you any good with fdisk?
[08:17] <FLeiXiuS> Orcrist, too good..
[08:17] <FLeiXiuS> ;-)
[08:17] <Orcrist> lol
[08:17] <Orcrist> maybe if you went to a tty and then just fdisked it?
[08:17] <Orcrist> I can't remember how much stuff is loaded on the installer... if fdisk is available
[08:18] <FLeiXiuS> Fdisk wasn't available, I'm about to load up my knoppix std and just go about installing through there.
[08:18] <Orcrist> hmmm
[08:18] <Orcrist> odd
[08:18] <FLeiXiuS> But I don't see how it's not letting me select Unpartitioned Space
[08:18] <Orcrist> I've done the expert install and don't remember seeing those options
[08:18] <Orcrist> is this warty or hoary?
[08:18] <FLeiXiuS> Warty
[08:18] <Orcrist> odder still
[08:19] <geneo91> FLeiXiuS:  delete it first
[08:19] <FLeiXiuS> Orcrist, your telling me, never had to approach this option..
[08:19] <randabis-laptop> yeah I've done installs with both the warty and hoary array 3 cds and never had those options
[08:19] <Orcrist> neither have I
[08:19] <FLeiXiuS> geneo91, define 'it'
[08:19] <Orcrist> did you pass any parameters at boot time other than expert?
[08:19] <FLeiXiuS> Orcrist, nope
[08:19] <Orcrist> weird
[08:20] <geneo91> delete the partition
[08:20] <FLeiXiuS> Still diagnosing...Partition Table Types are how the partition is read on the IDE channels.  Why there is no linux option available.  I don't know!
[08:20] <FLeiXiuS> geneo91, It's all unformatted space.
[08:20] <randabis-laptop> bad burn?
[08:20] <randabis-laptop> dunno
[08:20] <FLeiXiuS> randabis-laptop, this is out of the CD ;-)
[08:20] <geneo91> why do you want expert if you dont know what your doing
[08:21] <randabis-laptop> :/
[08:21] <FLeiXiuS> geneo91, Oh I know plenty of what I'm doing..
[08:21] <FLeiXiuS> It has done it in the regular install also, it's not the "expert" tag which its given
[08:21] <randabis-laptop> he seems to know what he's doing...he's just trying to sort out a weird problem
[08:22] <geneo91> well maybe its a hardware problem
[08:23] <FLeiXiuS> geneo91, possibly, which is why I have chose to install to a seperate hard drive, still given the same error.
[08:23] <daryn> randabis-laptop, thanks for the help, i just had t install the Samba package, it was not loaded on installation
[08:23] <gamecat> back, writing this from ubuntu on wireless.
[08:23] <FLeiXiuS> geneo91, and the same selection scheme.
[08:23] <randabis-laptop> there ya go
[08:23] <gamecat> whoever suggested iwlist ath0 scan, that was the info I needed.
[08:23] <daryn> laderz
[08:24] <gamecat> gave me the last 2 bits of info to fill in in iwconfig, after which I hit dhclient ath0 and was good to go.
[08:24] <randabis-laptop> daryn grabbing things from a windows machine shouldn't be too hard, but if you want to share files with the windows machine it's going to take some editing of smb.conf
[08:24] <randabis-laptop> crap he left
[08:24] <randabis-laptop> oh well
[08:24] <Orcrist> even stranger flex is that it's an entire hard drive
[08:24] <gamecat> the GUI network tool consistently bungs my settings, though.
[08:24] <Orcrist> I could see if it were a logical partition of some sort
[08:24] <Orcrist> I really have no idea
[08:24] <randabis-laptop> gamecat that's great! except the gui tool problem
[08:24] <gamecat> yeah, totally.
[08:25] <FLeiXiuS> Orcrist, Go through the install process, when selected upon partitioning..select the whole partition and press enter.  You'll see where I am at.  It's not giving me options to select Unpartitioned Space.
[08:25] <gamecat> so randabis, do you know how to get things to happen automatically when I log on?
[08:25] <geneo91> maybe its compressed or somesilly aix crap
[08:25] <gamecat> I'm assuming my iwconfig things for the network will be persistent unless I fire up the gui tool...
[08:26] <gamecat> ... but I'm not sure what to think about this dhclient ath0 thing.
[08:26] <randabis-laptop> gamecat well, generally if the info is in the config file, it should be good at bootup
[08:26] <gamecat> Okay. Which config file, and what form do I use to add it?
[08:26] <randabis-laptop> if it turns out you don't like madwifi, I believe ndiswrapper also works for that wifi card
[08:26] <gamecat> hmm, that wasn't the world's best wording.
[08:26] <randabis-laptop> I think it's in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:26] <randabis-laptop> not sure
[08:27] <gamecat> (oh man, ndiswrapper = nightmares. we'll stick w/ this, thanks.)
[08:27] <FLeiXiuS> Orcrist, Thanks for the attempt, I'll call up Daniels the dev for Ubuntu tomorrow.  Talk to you guys later.
[08:27] <gamecat> Okay, I actually edited that a bit. what in particular should I chuck in to make it dhcp me automatically?
[08:27] <gamecat> and is there anything that should be in there to make sure my current iwconfig sticks with?
[08:27] <Orcrist> good luck fleix
[08:27] <geneo91> ifconfig
[08:28] <randabis-laptop> I really don't know
[08:28] <gamecat> meh, the syntax is probably scattered over two or three man files. I'll find it later, I suppose.
[08:28] <gamecat> AT ANY RATE. Thanks for all the help!
[08:28] <Xenguy> ww
[08:30] <randabis-laptop> here's an idea...don't reboot...hehe
[08:30] <geneo91> wish someone could help me with mtr
[08:31] <randabis-laptop> mtr?
[08:31] <geneo91> i think so
[08:31] <randabis-laptop> which is?
[08:32] <geneo91> for a dial up connection
[08:32] <randabis-laptop> ah
[08:33] <randabis-laptop> broadband here
[08:33] <geneo91> i can set mtu fine
[08:34] <geneo91> but it complains about lots of things when i try to set mtr
[08:34] <geneo91> the recieving side
[08:35] <randabis-laptop> hmm
[08:35] <geneo91> maybe it mru
[08:36] <geneo91> i screwed with it for a whole day yesterday trying to get the most out of this 28800
[08:38] <randabis-laptop> heh
[08:40] <swim> hay has anyone used any other mail client than evolution (and thunderbird) like balsa, or aeromail or something?
[08:41] <geneo91> i dont know if i could set it with at commands or not
[08:42] <jmob> swim: I've used kmail, sylpheed-(claws), pine, webmail clients, and mutt.
[08:44] <swim> jmob, how was sylpheed?
[08:45] <jmob> swim: it sucked
[08:45] <swim> :) k
[08:46] <jmob> swim: least, the last time I tried it, it's seemed similar to thunderbird, just less pretty, and even less responsive.
[08:46] <swim> yeh so far i think i like kmail best though not even that much, found fastmail.com to be as useful as a client at all
[08:47] <subterrific> i had kmail delete all of my email
[08:47] <subterrific> that was fun
[08:47] <jmob> subterrific: did you back up your email!
[08:47] <swim> hrmm I bet
[08:47] <jmob> s/!/?/
[08:47] <subterrific> jmob: yeah, i had a back up, but lots of other people weren't so lucky
[08:48] <jmob> subterrific: So it was a bug that a lot of other users experienced?
[08:48] <subterrific> jmob: the bugzilla entry for that bug had some huge back lash
[08:48] <subterrific> yes
[08:48] <jmob> oh, heh
[08:48] <jmob> that is a pretty violent bug
[08:48] <jmob> could imagine some people lives being ruined because of kmail
[08:49] <geneo91> ahh its only spammers you hurt
[08:54] <Pluk> morning all
[08:56] <zuurcool> morning Pluk and the rest
[08:57] <king_arthur> Pluk: hi there
[08:57] <king_arthur> actually, ji everybody
[08:57] <king_arthur> some assistance is needed here to configure virtual interface
[08:57] <king_arthur> ifconfig wlan0:0 doesn't work any idea why not?
[08:57] <king_arthur> is it the WiFi interface
[08:58] <subterrific> evolution just broke on hoary amd64?
[09:00] <king_arthur> well, not very much happening here...
[09:00] <king_arthur> 295 users all sleeping?
[09:00] <quarupted> Im not
[09:00] <lyy> i got 2 linux boxes. what's a vnc tool that lets me go from one linux box to another?
[09:01] <king_arthur> quarupted: hi there :)
[09:01] <quarupted> Im taking over the middle east with tin babbies
[09:01] <pvh> Can anyone recommend a commandline tool for POSTing a file to a webdav server?
[09:01] <bur[n] er> lyy: xtightvncviewer and vino
[09:01] <bur[n] er> lyy: or tsclient
[09:01] <pvh> I'm trying to find a workaround for the fact that Evolution won't publish my calendar.
[09:01] <lyy> bur[n] er: which of those three is the most versital one?
[09:02] <bur[n] er> vino == server... tsclient is prolly the most guified and feature full vnc client
[09:02] <king_arthur> some of you guys listening using virtual interface mode on a NIC?
[09:02] <K-Rich> woot! just got my TV out working :)
[09:02] <bur[n] er> there are a ton more vnc apps, but the ones i said are default warty installed apps
[09:02] <lyy> bur[n] er: ok. so what i'll do is install vino on my fedora and then use tscleint to get on fedora from ubuntu
[09:03] <K-Rich> watching Rocky Horror Picture Show on my TV attached to my box (it's a DivX)
[09:03] <quarupted> I just upgraded my IPV4
[09:03] <bur[n] er> oh... you wanna get onto a fedora box?  what's the WM of the fedora?
[09:03] <king_arthur> quarupted: is that one for me?
[09:03] <quarupted> Java 2
[09:03] <quarupted> Java Desktop
[09:04] <quarupted> EVACUATE THE SOUTH PACIFIC!
[09:04] <swim> whats a good native gnome p2p app?
[09:05] <quarupted> THERES A WAVE COMING!
[09:05] <Orcrist> swim, limewire has always served me well... it works nicely with gnome
[09:05] <coulix> ?
[09:05] <pvh> quarupted: Are you serious?
[09:05] <swim> you think thats funny?
[09:05] <coulix> r u stupid or what
[09:05] <coulix> i m leavin in south pacific
[09:05] <lyy> bur[n] er: wm? i got both kde and gnome on it
[09:05] <coulix> *living
[09:05] <swim> k thx Orcrist
[09:05] <quarupted> Im just pasting the logs from irc.tai.org #CHAT
[09:06] <bur[n] er> lyy: which one you use? ;)  and are you hoping to vnc to a currently displayed desktop?  or just a virtual display?
[09:06] <bur[n] er> there's a lot that goes into it lyy
[09:07] <quarupted> HURRY
[09:07] <jamesm> Hi! I don't mean to interrupt anything, but I'm having some trouble getting an iPod (or any Firewire device) to mount on Warty -- on a VAIO notebook. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with getting ipods to work in Ubuntu?
[09:07] <daniels> quarupted: not here, thanks
[09:07] <lyy> jamesm: your best chance is to use codeweavers
[09:08] <jamesm> I suspect that Ubuntu just isn't recognizing my firewire port at all, but I'm not certain.
[09:08] <quarupted> Are you Kuaity?
[09:09] <quarupted> TELL ME
[09:10] <jamesm> I bet that must have felt good.
[09:11] <jamesm> And... on the topic of Codeweavers, I'm not sure Windows compatibility is what I need. I think? As far as I know, it's generally not difficult to mount an iPod in Ubuntu. I've heard stories of people who just plugged it in and had it automount without them actually doing anything.
[09:17] <HrdwrBoB> jamesm: I have only used USB with ipod
[09:17] <HrdwrBoB> but that works perfectly
[09:17] <null> any one know where i can get ubuntu devel iso ?
[09:18] <lyy> how to query all the packages on ubuntu?
[09:18] <jdub> null: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[09:18] <jdub> jamesm: not hard to mount, but you need to use the special indexing foo for it to grok what you're putting on -> use gtkipod
[09:19] <null> any one moved from mdk to ubuntu ? any pointers ?
[09:19] <HrdwrBoB> gtkpod
[09:20] <HrdwrBoB> but yeah
[09:20] <jdub> ahr
[09:20] <jdub> thank you HrdwrBoB
[09:20] <geneo91> have fun
[09:20] <jdub> but man
[09:20] <HrdwrBoB> np, I have an excellent test case for these things: my fiance :)
[09:20] <jdub> those ipod shuffles are pretty tempting
[09:20] <HrdwrBoB> she's not a computer person
[09:20] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: didn't you say you were getting married on the 25th or so?
[09:20] <HrdwrBoB> 30th of april, yeah
[09:21] <jamesm> I've got gtkpod installed.
[09:21] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: i'm on the 17th ;)
[09:21] <jamesm> It just doesn't seem to mount when I plug it in.
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> woo :)
[09:21] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: where are you doing the deed?
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> jdub: st kilda foreshore, follow by reception in the 'royce' hotel
[09:21] <jdub> nice
[09:21] <jdub> niiice
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> jamesm: are you talkign about the gtkpod automount?
[09:22] <HrdwrBoB> jdub: is everything organised for yours? damn there's a lot of stuff to do
[09:22] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: kinda. sorta. not really. yeah. ;)
[09:22] <null> any one know what are the contents of the weekly dvd ? on cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[09:22] <HrdwrBoB> ahaah :)
[09:23] <HrdwrBoB> yeah same here
[09:23] <jamesm> No, mounting at all.
[09:23] <jdub> null: all of main
[09:23] <jamesm> I can't seem to get it to mount at all, gtkpod or otherwise.
[09:23] <HrdwrBoB> jamesm: ah ok
[09:23] <HrdwrBoB> jamesm: check the messages in dmesg to see if it's detected
[09:23] <jdub> jamesm: usb or firewire? running warty?
[09:24] <jamesm> Firewire, Warty.
[09:24] <null> jdub: main inclueds al devel files ? cos iam soo scrwed with mdk not having devel files in default cd's
[09:25] <HrdwrBoB> jdub: the ipod shuffle has less features and more cost and no redeeming UI features that make it better than a random flash ,payer off ebay, it's not a patch on a real ipod </end rant>
[09:25] <jdub> jamesm: warty didn't do firewire automounting
[09:25] <jdub> null: but of course
[09:25] <jdub> null: we don't include much on the CD though
[09:25] <jdub> null: but the DVD has ALL of main. aaaaallll. :)
[09:26] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: i gotta admit, i love the idea ;)
[09:26] <jamesm> This is all I got --
[09:26] <jamesm> ieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-00:1023
[09:26] <jamesm> ieee1394: Node changed: 0-00:1023 -> 0-01:1023
[09:26] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: they're pretty cheap for 1GB solid state
[09:26] <null> pheu, jdub i am gonna download da dvd iso, and give it a try for my main os
[09:27] <null> jdub: does those weekly dvd include gnome 2.9x ?
[09:27] <jdub> null: hrm, dunno if that's wroth it
[09:27] <jdub> null: probably better to pull a CD and install the -dev stuff from the net
[09:27] <jdub> yes, they do
[09:27] <jdub> our devel branch tracks gnome devel branch
[09:28] <null> jdub dats da peroblem, with mdk as well, i dont have good enuff connection at home now, to grab from home all the devel files
[09:28] <jdub> null: oh, i see
[09:28] <null> devel brances ?jdub i presume it included in weekly dvd ?
[09:28] <jdub> null: well, if you have a phat connection elsewhere, suck down the dvd by all means :)
[09:29] <jdub> the weekly dvd is of hoary, yeah
[09:29] <null> imm gonna try my frind to get it now, any mirrors of those dvds ?
[09:29] <jdub> if you rsync the dvd each week, you can do upgrades from it at home :-)
[09:29] <jdub> don't think so, no
[09:30] <null> hmm dunno what speed i will be able to get it downloaded grrr..
[09:33] <spiral> hi
[09:33] <null> hmm jdub 3 hrs to get da dvd
[09:33] <jdub> null: cool ;)
[09:34] <null> jdub: any pointers ? i hear its debian based whats the basic commands n things need to know about ubuntu ?
[09:34] <lyy> i'm looking for a vnc server that will work with tsclient..anyone know?
[09:34] <jdub> null: lots of info on the wiki and in ubuntuguide
[09:34] <jdub> lyy: vino for exporting your running display
[09:35] <lyy> jdub: thanks
[09:35] <jdub> lyy: vncserver for exporting a virtual x server display
[09:35] <lyy> jdub: sounds like vino is the way to go
[09:37] <null> me getting exited on ubuntu now :-)
[09:38] <null> hey jdub where i have a list of horay-install-i386 list, where do i find the devel files in it ?
[09:39] <jdub> hrm, don't think we have a file listing
[09:39] <null> ohh jdub n where is kde for ubunti ?
[09:39] <jdub> kde is not in main
[09:39] <null> well there seems to be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/weekly-dvd/current/hoary-install-i386.list
[09:39] <jdub> it's unsupported, lives in universe
[09:39] <jdub> well, there you go :)
[09:39] <null> hmm where do i get dat ?
[09:40] <jdub> you have to install it after installing ubuntu
[09:40] <null> well cant i just get all da deb and burn on cd and take home to instyall ?
[09:41] <spiral> null: the dvd you mentioned may be a good solution, if you've got a dvd burner
[09:42] <null> well my friend does hopefully it works
[09:42] <null> da dvd list of files dont seem to have kde
[09:42] <spiral> null: ah sorry... then you maybe could download all the .debs that you need for kde & dpkg -i them
[09:43] <null> spiral:  where do i get all those debs for kde ?
[09:43] <null> jdub: said somewhere in universe ? but i dont have a clue
[09:44] <sn0wman> join #cyberia
[09:44] <sn0wman> shit
[09:44] <spiral> null: ubuntu ftp archives for universe ?
[09:45] <null> whats dat universe ? i dont have a clue mate
[09:46] <spiral> null: are you under hoary or warty ?
[09:46] <HrdwrBoB> null: universe is the repository that has all the 'unsupported' extra software
[09:47] <null> well i an not under any thing now,
[09:48] <null> i am getting the dvd iso for hoary
[09:48] <null> how do i get dat repository HrdwrBoB ?
[09:48] <spiral> null: if you're connected, you just have to edit your sources.list
[09:49] <spiral> I'm booting back
[09:49] <spiral> see you soon
[09:49] <spiral> ++
[09:49] <null> spiral: well connection at home is shit,
[09:49] <null> ahh
[09:50] <Deviad> Hello guys
[09:50] <Deviad> Which Debian version is ubuntu based on?
[09:51] <lyy> sweet
[09:51] <lyy> i got vnc working
[09:51] <lyy> so i'm doing qt development on my fedora box and watching tv on ubuntu
[09:52] <Deviad> ^^
[09:52] <adpenaranda> Deviad, I think it's based on unstable (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
[09:52] <null> lyy: i want to do qt/kde devel on ubuntu, possible ?
[09:52] <Deviad> ok, so why should I install ubuntu instead of installing sid?
[09:52] <Deviad> ^^
[09:52] <Deviad> I'm getting it right now to see what so different is.
[09:53] <lyy> null: sure why not?
[09:53] <Deviad> I heard about this distro from a friend... personally I was deciding to waste my time with a long gentoo compilation or installing ubuntu...
[09:53] <adpenaranda> Deviad, I've just tried Ubuntu and well, the installation is much easier (I actually did a cross-install to have Debian working)
[09:53] <lyy> null: just install qt and qt-devel
[09:53] <null> lyy: i need to compile kde cos ill need all those devel packages for it to compile
[09:53] <adpenaranda> Deviad, ubuntu installation wont take too long
[09:54] <HrdwrBoB> Deviad: I used to use debian, now I use ubuntu
[09:54] <HrdwrBoB> Deviad: ubuntu Just Works a lot more
[09:54] <null> ohh yeah lyy where are the kde debs for ubunto, some one said universe ? but wherre ?
[09:54] <Deviad> Well, I tryed everything from Slackware to Morphix ^^
[09:54] <lyy> null: i've yet to install qt on ubuntu myself. i think someone alerady compiled them for us. we just gotta find it
[09:54] <Deviad> I tryed gentoo too but it sucks to compile everything everytime
[09:54] <Deviad> ^^
[09:54] <HrdwrBoB> lyy: if you look at /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:55] <null> i dont have ubuntu now, so i cant apt, i need to grab all those debs and install when i get hoem
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> or you go to settings -> repositories
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> in synaptic
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> you can add universe
[09:55] <lyy> HrdwrBoB: i just check with dpkg -la | grep -i qt and i see that qt's installed :)
[09:55] <adpenaranda> Deviad, I used to be a slackware user but when I finally had a change to try debian..
[09:55] <adpenaranda> I just got hooked. :)
[09:55] <Deviad> adpenaranda, I just don't like the dependency check
[09:55] <Deviad> of debian
[09:56] <Deviad> if I want to have 4 different version of a library
[09:56] <Deviad> why shouldn't I?
[09:56] <adpenaranda> Deviad, I see. I haven't encountered that problem yet. :)
[09:56] <Deviad> I mean sometimes there are programs that need the older version of a library or the newer one
[09:57] <K-Rich> ugh
[09:57] <Deviad> and u have on your system the former or the latter
[09:57] <K-Rich> anyone know alot about mplayer?
[09:57] <Deviad> and if you install the one the program need you will need to delete all the programs that use the library you already own
[09:57] <Deviad> and it sux so much
[09:57] <Deviad> ^^
[09:57] <Deviad> That's why I like slackware a lot more
[09:58] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[09:58] <HrdwrBoB> but then you end up with 15 copies of a library on your system
[09:58] <HrdwrBoB> and a completely unmanageable mess
[09:58] <Deviad> yes, but I need a program I install it
[09:58] <Deviad> when I want ^^
[09:58] <Deviad> I don't have to look for the unofficial repository of the program xyz
[09:58] <Deviad> updated with the library x.y.z
[09:59] <Deviad> to the library*
[09:59] <pvh> Why doesn't Audio Preview work in Nautilus?
[09:59] <adpenaranda> won't apt-build work in this case?
[10:01] <null> is there a way without having ubuntu donwload all the packages od universe ??
[10:02] <king_arthur> anybody here familiar with virtual interfaces?
[10:02] <HrdwrBoB> king_arthur: what is the problem you're having?
[10:02] <king_arthur> I am typing ifconfig eth0:0 but doesn't seem to work
[10:02] <geneo91> put them on a cd then add the source to apt
[10:02] <HrdwrBoB> king_arthur: how is it 'not working'
[10:03] <king_arthur> HrdwrBoB: doesn't show up in ifconfig list
[10:03] <HrdwrBoB> it only shows up if it's configured and up
[10:04] <king_arthur> HrdwrBoB: right so ifconfig eth0:0 is not enough
[10:04] <HrdwrBoB> no
[10:04] <HrdwrBoB> ifconfig eth0:0 x.x.x.x
[10:04] <HrdwrBoB> then run 'ifconfig'
[10:04] <HrdwrBoB> and it will display
[10:05] <king_arthur> HrdwrBoB: right and how about dhcp configuration than?
[10:05] <king_arthur> HrdwrBoB: and no need for ifup?
[10:06] <HrdwrBoB> as long as eth0 is up
[10:06] <HrdwrBoB> eth0:0 is
[10:07] <MrTrick> hello...
[10:08] <MrTrick> odd, how can a channel have 0 ops?
[10:09] <x_or> Anyone know what the supported hardware configurations for PPC are?  I have a lombard g3 mac laptop; will this work?
[10:09] <gen> x_or, specs?
[10:09] <nevyn> MrTrick: easilly.
[10:10] <x_or> gen: 192 MB of RAM, 400 Mhz processor, I believe.
[10:10] <gen> x_or, will be fine
[10:10] <x_or> Cool.
[10:10] <gen> just reccomend not using gnome on it
[10:10] <x_or> Yellow Dog ain't working for me....
[10:11] <x_or> OK, which window manager do you recommend?  I usually use KDE, which I assume would be just as bad.
[10:11] <gen> x_or, xfce..
[10:11] <pybe> x_or: xfce4.2 is really nice
[10:11] <jdub> x_or: 192 will be fine for gnome or kde
[10:12] <jdub> x_or: as long as a lombard is newworld, ubuntu should be fine
[10:12] <pybe> i have 256 on my laptop and gnome can get a bit hungry sometimes so i find xfce4 performace better
[10:12] <K-Rich> where would i find SDL config files ?
[10:13] <scylax> hi
[10:13] <gen> hello
[10:13] <scylax> i have a problem with ubuntu hoary array 3
[10:13] <x_or> jdub:  It has USB, so I assume this means newworld?
[10:13] <scylax> it tries to fry my monitor (high pitched sound, no display)
[10:14] <pybe> scylax: try a different refresh rate
[10:14] <lyy> what does the word "grok" mean?
[10:15] <scylax> XF86Config-4 ?
[10:15] <pybe> scylax: yep
[10:15] <scylax> thanks pybe, do you know any site that will list refresh rates for known monitors?
[10:16] <pybe> scylax: you rmanufacturer
[10:16] <zuurcool> scylax: http://www.monitorworld.com
[10:16] <pybe> lyy: grok = To understand, usually in a global sense.
[10:16] <scylax> ahh great thanx zuur
[10:16] <pybe> lyy: intimate and exhaustive knowledge.
[10:17] <lyy> pybe: crap. i dont' grok linux then
[10:17] <scylax> another issue is i get i/o errors when trying to use my external usb ntfs drive
[10:18] <scylax> ubuntu won't even mount it, slackware does but can't copy more than a few MB before stopping with i/o error
[10:18] <lyy> pybe: there's too much to know to truly grok linux
[10:18] <pybe> lyy: =)
[10:18] <pybe> lyy: I dont think you ever fully learn linux.... Its a constant education
[10:18] <lyy> pybe: however, i know enoughto figure things out
[10:19] <pybe> lyy: which can be dangerous sometimes =)
[10:21] <pvh> lyy: Nobody really groks anything, do they?
[10:21] <pybe> scylax: apt-cache search ^ntfs
[10:23] <pybe> scylax: and maybe libntfs*
[10:24] <MrTrick> Will anyone here confess to knowing their smb.conf well?
[10:25] <Sav> Hi, all my panels and shortcut dissapeared, any ideas what to do?
[10:25] <pybe> Sav: get a hammer and whack your monitor twice
[10:26] <Sav> pybe, you got any other suggestion? i had my panels n shit yesterday, after a reboot theyr just gone.
[10:28] <pybe> Sav: any updates yesterday>
[10:29] <Ng> Sav: try tunning "gnome-panel" in a terminal?
[10:30] <Sav> Ng, command not found
[10:30] <Sav> pybe, nope
[10:30] <Sav> i booted with the option "keep settings"
[10:31] <Ng> Sav: you might want to check you actually have gnome-panel installed ;)
[10:31] <Adrenal> scotty doesn't know, that fiona and me, do it in my van, on sundays
[10:31] <insanekane> hi ... how do i install a font in my ~/.fonts directory ?
[10:31] <Ng> insanekane: just put it in there :)
[10:33] <Adrenal> linux is a very simple os. Thing is, it takes a genious to understand the simplicity
[10:33] <Sav> Ng, lol, how can a package dissaper? case i was not installed =)
[10:33] <insanekane> Ng, oh yeah ... i didnt mention that i had to create a .fonts directory ... and ubuntu doesnt ship with ttmkfdir ... so i was kinda hoping that there was some method to install a fant without ttmkfdir ... or did ubuntu developers believe that noone would want to install a font after installing the system ??
[10:33] <jdub> insanekane: just put fonts in ~/.fonts/
[10:33] <jdub> insanekane: that's all you have to do
[10:34] <SteveA> can i expect to still see the gnome startup futex race hang from time to time?
[10:34] <Ng> insanekane: you don't need ttmkfdir anymore, fontconfig does it automatically
[10:34] <SteveA> (in hoary)
[10:34] <insanekane> jdub, ok let me see
[10:37] <Sav> now i got the panel =)
[10:39] <insanekane> Ng, jdub, no it doesnt work :(
[10:39] <jdub> it does :)
[10:40] <insanekane> jdub, not here
[10:40] <jdub> insanekane: run fc-list
[10:40] <insanekane> jdub, i created ~/.fonts ... copied my ttf font into it .. ran fc-cache
[10:40] <jdub> insanekane: then restart whatever you're trying to find the font in
[10:40] <Sav> ng, now i got some errors om the panel cause i hade system monitors in it, doed that come with a package?
[10:40] <jdub> not fc-cache
[10:40] <jdub> fc-list
[10:41] <insanekane> jdub, ok ... was trying in nautilus fonts:///
[10:41] <insanekane> jdub, how do i refresh gnome to find my font ?
[10:41] <insanekane> jdub, fc-list finds it ok ... but gnome doesnt :(
[10:42] <Ng> Sav: probably gnome-applets or hardware-monitor
[10:42] <jdub> insanekane: fonts:/// may not, but everything else will
[10:43] <insanekane> jdub, ok ... let me check something else
[10:44] <null> yo jdub do u know if the cdimage server supports resume ?
[10:44] <jdub> most likely
[10:44] <jdub> you can also use rsync
[10:45] <null> cos i need to cancel the dvd downlod for a moment, will download the rest soon, hopefully the resume works
[10:48] <Sav> ng, thnx. now im up n runnig as before =)
[10:52] <null> hey jdub  and other thanks much for the help man
[10:52] <null> will c u guys soon
[10:54] <coulix> hi guys i mtrying to mount a ftp folder with gnome to edit internet files, its mounting it (nautilus) but when i edit its ro any one found a way ? gnome-vfs is installed but gnomvfs-mount do not exist :/
[10:55] <laptop> I hope this is the right place to ask: I am looking for the name of a new laptop that installs ubuntu flawlessly. I don't care about the weight, but I want it to be fast enough for numerical simulations. Where shoulde I look for further info?
[10:56] <coulix> i saw a topic with the list of laptops and their compability with ubuntu
[10:56] <coulix> try google laptop ubuntu
[10:57] <MrTrick> argh, smb newbie here, can't get this computer to appear on the network...
[10:59] <MrTrick> can anyone confess to smb.conf knowledge?
[11:00] <coulix> can try to help , swat is working ? http://<IP_ADDRESS>:901 i think
[11:00] <gen> MrTrick, you didn't read the wiki did you
[11:01] <coulix> yeah read the wiki first =))
[11:02] <MrTrick> I read the wiki
[11:02] <MrTrick> Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
[11:02] <MrTrick> I'm also reading this: http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch06.html
[11:03] <MrTrick> suspecting I may have messed something up, I backed up my smb.conf file, and started over. All that it contains now is this:
[11:03] <MrTrick> [global]
[11:03] <MrTrick>     #  Server configuration parameters
[11:03] <MrTrick>     netbios name = MrTrick
[11:03] <MrTrick>     server string = Samba %v on %L
[11:03] <MrTrick>     workgroup = Asylum
[11:03] <MrTrick>     encrypt passwords = yes
[11:06] <gen> MrTrick, did you set a smbpassword
[11:06] <MrTrick> gen, no...
[11:06] <gen> it's all in the wiki
[11:06] <MrTrick> which one? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong page?
[11:07] <MrTrick> haven't shared anything yet, just trying to 'see' the server.
[11:07] <gen> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba/view?searchterm=samba
[11:08] <MrTrick> will look
[11:08] <gen> follow it exactly
[11:11] <MrTrick> heh, yes sir. :-)
[11:11] <gen> get it?
[11:12] <MrTrick> I'm going through it...
[11:12] <gen> it'll work :)
[11:13] <MrTrick> I'm doubtful...
[11:13] <gen> It will
[11:13] <MrTrick> the info that appears when browsing the 'Network' from the 'Computer' button at the top, is it cached?
[11:14] <gen> no
[11:14] <MrTrick> okay.
[11:14] <gen> sharing with a win computer?
[11:14] <MrTrick> yes. Two computers on the network, and a plastic nat.
[11:14] <gen> k
[11:15] <pybe> MrTrick: whats the plastic mat for?
[11:15] <gen> to protect those h4x0rz
[11:15] <gen> of course
[11:16] <pybe> incase they wet them selves?
[11:16] <gen> something like that
[11:16] <pybe> heh
[11:16] <MrTrick> pybe, plastic NAT box. J/k or serious question?
[11:18] <gen> I just got through watching the neverending story, what a childhood flashback
[11:18] <MrTrick> gen: heh. I still remember the soundtrack to that.
[11:18] <gen> MrTrick, it is a great soundtrack
[11:20] <Deviad> http://davixtreme.altervista.org clickate sui 2 banner, thx!
[11:20] <gen> don't spam here..
[11:22] <MrTrick> oo er..
[11:22] <MrTrick> "/etc/init.d/samba restart" -> samba stops.
[11:22] <MrTrick> samba doesn't start again.
[11:22] <MrTrick> ( [fail]  )
[11:23] <MrTrick> maybe there's a syntax error...
[11:23] <gen> try stopping it, then starting
[11:24] <gen> (instead of restart)
[11:25] <MrTrick> nope, it fails.
[11:25] <MrTrick> I ran testparm on smb.conf, doesn't find any problems.
[11:25] <gen> odd
[11:25] <gen> when you try to stop it, does it say already stopped?
[11:25] <MrTrick> gen, no it doesn't.
[11:26] <MrTrick> what I can't understand is why there is a workgroup 'mshome' appearing in my network folder.
[11:26] <MrTrick> It can't be opened, but the other computer is definitely not responsible for it.
[11:27] <HauntedUnix> DRI - any FAQs on how to enable it on an SiS video card with no linux drivers? :-)
[11:27] <nevyn> ummm..
[11:28] <nevyn> it canna' be done ...

[11:28] <HauntedUnix> Ah well
[11:28] <HauntedUnix> The only drivers are for redhat 7.2
[11:28] <gen> MrTrick, sure you followed it exactly?
[11:29] <HauntedUnix> Thanks anyway :-)
[11:29] <topyli> HauntedUnix: on a dark night (preferably new moon), wave a dead chicken on the chip. then take it to the trash and buy a matrox card :)
[11:29] <MrTrick> well, I can't see 'mshome' anywhere.
[11:29] <MrTrick> is there a way to reset smb.conf back to default?
[11:31] <topyli> MrTrick: what is your workgroup name? perhaps mshome is some sort of ubuntu default
[11:31] <MrTrick> topyli, I would think so, but I've changed everything I could.
[11:32] <MrTrick> hmm, odd.
[11:32] <topyli> MrTrick: i'd say changing it in smb.conf should be enough. maybe you're seeing someones windows box over the internet :)
[11:33] <MrTrick> If I type this: "/etc/init.d/samba stop"
[11:33] <MrTrick> (as root)
[11:33] <MrTrick> then run ps -A
[11:33] <MrTrick> why do I still see multiple 'smbd' processes?
[11:34] <topyli> MrTrick: i have two of them too
[11:34] <tedboer> hi
[11:35] <topyli> MrTrick: oh. i had samba running. after i stop it, there's no process
[11:35] <tedboer> i want install a "custom" warty in a directory (to use with vserver). i suppose i should use debootstrap, but it seems to install more than i want. any suggestions?
[11:36] <pybe> not a j/k whats a plastic nat box?
[11:36] <MrTrick> so maybe there's a problem. Can't imagine why it wouldn't shut down
[11:37] <MrTrick> pybe, good morning.
[11:37] <pybe> MrTrick: hey, had to get more coffee
[11:37] <MrTrick> A plastic nat is one of those cheap routers that you can buy, with a built-in web configuration tool (usually), and sometimes a wireless point or a switch integrated into it.
[11:37] <pybe> MrTrick: I know what NAT is, but whats the deal with the plastic bit
[11:37] <topyli> MrTrick: try and kill all smbd and nmbd processes. maybe the init script will work then
[11:38] <MrTrick> ok topyli, will try that.
[11:38] <pybe> MrTrick: ahh
[11:38] <pybe> MrTrick: I use a few of those for remote workers
[11:38] <MrTrick> 'plastic' = cheap, as opposed to cisco, etc.
[11:39] <gen> consumer crap
[11:39] <pybe> MrTrick: you learn soemthing new everyday
[11:39] <pybe> gen: dont knock it
[11:39] <MrTrick> gen: hey, it could be worse... it could be a windows box running a freeware proxy server.
[11:39] <gen> :)
[11:39] <pybe> MrTrick: or internet connection sharing
[11:40] <gen> i'm not meaning to knock anything, i own linksys shit
[11:40] <pybe> i usually stick with netgear
[11:40] <MrTrick> gen, actually, my plastic nat apparently comes with a lifetime warranty.
[11:40] <topyli> i usually stick with iptables :)
[11:40] <MrTrick> Whatever that means.
[11:41] <gen> haha
[11:41] <MrTrick> hmm, how do I kill off smbd?
[11:41] <pybe> MrTrick: read the small print they probably define "lifetime" in there as about 1 year =)
[11:41] <gen> killall smbd
[11:41] <topyli> MrTrick: it means the warranty is good for the lifetime of the box. if it breaks, the warranty is void
[11:41] <pybe> topyli: lol
[11:41] <MrTrick> heh
[11:42] <MrTrick> uh, killall didn't do anything
[11:42] <topyli> smbd processes still there?
[11:42] <runenes> How can I get the correct screen settings for my  LCD TFT SXGA+ - basically pointers to XF86config resources or automatic configurators..
[11:42] <gen> if it didnt say that it killed no processes, then it did
[11:42] <MrTrick> yup. 4 processes, two are <defunct>
[11:42] <topyli> gen: oh yeah :)
[11:43] <MrTrick> runenes: settings... resolution?
[11:43] <pybe> runenes: the manuf web site or someone posted a link earlier monitorworld.com or something
[11:43] <topyli> MrTrick: your samba daemons are immortal
[11:44] <MrTrick> topylie: tell me about it.
[11:44] <MrTrick> Maybe I should try the windows trick - a reboot.
[11:44] <gen> MrTrick, try a simple restart..
[11:44] <MrTrick> gen: bye... back soon
[11:45] <runenes> pybe, thx
[11:45] <pybe> runenes: np
[11:48] <pybe> does hoary use cifs or smbfs still
[11:51] <pybe> doesnt seem to matter what umask i use mounting an smbshare results in perms of -rwxr-xr-x any ideas
[11:52] <lypanov> hi
[11:52] <MrTrick> okay, lessee what my smbd is up to...
[11:52] <MrTrick> hi lypanov
[11:53] <topyli> MrTrick: did the init script work at boot?
[11:53] <Sav> How come ubuntu eat? my memory so bad? 100% in use after 2 hours.
[11:54] <MrTrick> topyli: which init script? smb.conf?
[11:54] <MrTrick> ahah. I see a 'mrtrick' on the network!
[11:54] <topyli> MrTrick: the /etc/init.d/samba script
[11:54] <pybe> Sav: thats how 'linux' works it uses all the memory, how much is in buffers?
[11:54] <gen> told you
[11:55] <MrTrick> gen: stupid thing
[11:55] <MrTrick> and now there are only TWO smbd processes, not four.
[11:55] <thenuke> Sav: linux has no reason to preserve memory from not being used :)
[11:55] <gen> good
[11:55] <topyli> MrTrick: two is good
[11:55] <thenuke> Sav: it will free up the memory if applications want it
[11:55] <MrTrick> next step, actually putting some drives on it.
[11:56] <pybe> Sav: http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/qna/2327.html
[11:56] <mjr> it's a sign of a bad OS if it doesn't use (nearly) all the memory :)
[11:56] <gen> mrtrick, easiest thing to do there is to just make a library in your home directory that links to said drive
[11:57] <Sav> ok =)
[11:57] <gen> dir not library
[11:57] <Sav> btw, im having trouble getting extensions for firefox to work, is it only for me?
[11:57] <MrTrick> gen: actually, I removed the original smb.conf, using a from-scratch one.
[11:58] <topyli> Sav: those that work, work :)
[11:59] <topyli> many extensions want a specific version of firefox
[11:59] <Sav> ok =(
[12:00] <MrTrick> hmm...
[12:00] <MrTrick> I made a change to smb.conf, and restarted samba, now there are THREE processes.
[12:01] <MrTrick> and it didn't have the desired effect.
[12:02] <MrTrick> ah well, I'll try the reboot again.
[12:09] <MrTrick> why is it that I need a reboot to restart the samba servers? argh, odd.
[12:10] <MrTrick> Well, I can see my shared drive on the network, can't access it yet though... work in progress.
[12:12] <MunDy> can i paste an error here?
[12:12] <MunDy> its one lin
[12:12] <MunDy> e
[12:12] <MunDy> but its long
[12:12] <gen> ok
[12:12] <MunDy> ok, gimme a sec to type =/
[12:12] <Sav> you can only fit 255 chars per line, im i right ?
[12:13] <Sav> on irc that is
[12:14] <MunDy> ok, im wrong its not that long... just looked long :P
[12:14] <MunDy> modprobe: FATAL : Error inserting pciehp (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko)
[12:14] <MunDy> modprobe: FATAL : Error inserting pciehp (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/shpchp.ko)
[12:14] <MunDy> i get those two while booting
[12:14] <elyseum> i get a likewise line too
[12:14] <MunDy> whats that all about?
[12:15] <topyli> MunDy: i used to get them too. i put them in the hotplug ban list and all is well.
[12:16] <cg0def> how can I upgrade to Hoary?
[12:16] <ApesMa> MunDy: I get them, too. I saw somewhere (forum?) that the messages are harmless, but there's a file you can edit to keep modprobe from trying to load them.
[12:16] <Sav> just add "pciehp"  without quotes in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:16] <topyli> MunDy: /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:16] <Sav> MunDy, just add "pciehp"  without quotes in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:16] <MunDy> hrmm
[12:16] <MunDy> ok
[12:16] <MunDy> so its nothing to worry about?
[12:16] <Sav>  nope
[12:16] <MunDy> ok
[12:16] <MunDy> now for my next problem...
[12:17] <MunDy> x wont run =(
[12:17] <MunDy> ive just installed ubuntu
[12:17] <MunDy> and it wont run
[12:17] <MunDy> i have a radeon 9200
[12:17] <Sav> just a blacka screen=
[12:17] <MunDy> i have a login prompt
[12:17] <Sav> black screen?
[12:17] <Sav> ahh
[12:17] <MunDy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:17] <MunDy> i did all that ^^
[12:17] <Sav> get any errors on startx ?
[12:18] <MunDy> but it goes couldn't find fglrx-driver when i use the 2nd command
[12:18] <MrTrick> damn, "apt-get install stepmania" doesn't work. :-)
[12:18] <MunDy> the error output from X is just like "X is a opensourceblah blah blah" but no error msg
[12:19] <MunDy> the last line, says Module Loader Present but im not sure if that is part of the above msg or the actual error, becuase theres no line break or anything to tell me its the error
[12:19] <Sav> MunDy, well then im not the right guy to helt, i had the same problem but for me it was "sync out of range" i just edited  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to fit my monitor
[12:20] <jimi> hi
[12:20] <MunDy> hrmm ok
[12:20] <ApesMa> cg0def: a recent milestone for Hoary was released. I'm running with it now. So far, only problem I'm having is with sound. See http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-January/003500.html for info.
[12:20] <MunDy> Sav: is Module Loader Present the error? and if so, how do i go about fixing it?
[12:21] <cg0def> ApesMa: thanks
[12:21] <jimi> hum
[12:21] <jimi> my triying to install from this image failed
[12:21] <jimi> (test cd 3)
[12:22] <jimi> after first reboot, it get into aptitude and then nothing
[12:22] <k31th> morning people
[12:22] <MrTrick> jimi, you mean some of the packages didn't install?
[12:22] <MrTrick> morning k31th
[12:22] <jimi> some = 90%
[12:22] <jimi> =]
[12:22] <Thybalt> so here i am i could use some help. a lot if i think about it
[12:22] <jimi> i go in console then , and try apt ubuntu-desktop
[12:22] <jimi> but plenty of dependency fails
[12:22] <jimi> :s
[12:23] <MrTrick> jimi, did you try restarting from within aptitude?
[12:23] <MrTrick> I had a failure of many packages, but when run again from inside aptitude, they worked fine. (shrugs)
[12:23] <jimi> restarting the base install?
[12:23] <jimi> i dont know exactly where aptitude pops up
[12:24] <ApesMa> jimi: that happpened to me yesterday. Strangely, the first machine I tried Array 3 on installed fine. I'm not sure what the difference is.
[12:24] <cg0def> shouldn't the hoary packages show up in world?
[12:24] <jimi> what should i do in aptitude?
[12:24] <jimi> i already had this problem with test cd 2, but i dont rememember how i fixed it
[12:24] <jimi> too bad because hoary is really good for laptop and wifi support =)
[12:25] <Thybalt> i have a problem with my sound card under ubuntu. could somebody help?
[12:26] <jimi> ok lets man aptitude now ^_
[12:26] <jimi> thybalt : you dont have sound?
[12:26] <aeo> me has a question... is it possible to copy the entire ubuntu partition to a usb disk an use a grub boot disk to load ubuntu from the usb hd?
[12:26] <jimi> hum
[12:27] <Thybalt> jimi: i have a sound card that supports 7.1 sound * channels that is*
[12:27] <Thybalt> now i have a 5.1 sistem inserted.
[12:27] <jimi> i dont think its that easy aeo
[12:27] <Thybalt> and i have sound only in the center and front speakers
[12:27] <Thybalt> the sub and the rear have no sound
[12:28] <Thybalt> i've had this problem under suse 9.2 pro too
[12:28] <Thybalt> and still i had no succes in fixing it
[12:28] <Thybalt> i am a beginner in linux but this is the first problem i want to solve
[12:28] <Thybalt> so could you help?
[12:28] <aeo> there are some linux distros which are designed specifically for that purpose, like flash linux...
[12:29] <ApesMa> Thybalt: what have you tried to fix it?
[12:29] <gt500> hellow :D
[12:30] <Thybalt> ApesMa, actually  i haven't tried anything because i don't know much. all i did was to check that the volume wasn't muted
[12:31] <lestat730> is it possible to do a HDD install from the gnoppix live disc?
[12:31] <lestat730> like in knoppix 'sudo gnoppix-installer'?
[12:31] <Thybalt> wait. i have sound only in front speakers
[12:31] <defile> lestat730, if it has a hd-install script
[12:31] <Thybalt> no rear speaker and center and sub
[12:31] <lestat730> def: thanks, how do i access that?
[12:31] <ApesMa> OK... so you fired up the "volume control" and checked that it wasn't muted. Did it have separate sliders for the rear/sub?
[12:32] <Thybalt> ApesMa,  no
[12:32] <cg0def> do I have to install from a CD if I want to switch to hoary or I can just update all the pkgs?
[12:33] <ApesMa> Thybalt: does the volume control have an Edit>Preferences selection?
[12:33] <Thybalt> ApesMa,  yes it does
[12:34] <ApesMa> Thybalt: try it. When I click on it, it gives me a checklist of controls to display. See whether rear/center are among them.
[12:34] <Thybalt> no. rear/center are missing
[12:34] <aeo> jimi: so do you have any idea if somebody has done it, or where i should search for more advice etc?
[12:35] <jimi> sorry i was on the other computer
[12:35] <jimi> hum
[12:35] <jimi> i never did this, so i am not good advice :)
[12:36] <ApesMa> Thybalt: Darn. I saw one for center when I tried it. Must be a function of the drier.
[12:36] <jimi> maybe you can just install it directly to usb ?
[12:36] <ApesMa> Thybalt: er, driver. :)
[12:36] <jimi> if the drive is supported during install
[12:37] <jimi> just choose /dev/sda if it works
[12:37] <Thybalt> the chipset is intel865pe, with onboard sound
[12:37] <aeo> jimi, i managed to copy every little piece of ubuntu on the usb drive
[12:37] <Thybalt> it was installed by default i guess.
[12:37] <jimi> (given your usb is sda... if you dont have raid or other usb drives)
[12:38] <jimi> aeo : and it works?
[12:38] <aeo> i just dont know if grub can load it :|
[12:38] <ApesMa> Thybalt: I fear that is past my (low) level of expertise.
[12:38] <aeo> i dont know how to test it
[12:38] <jimi> i never did this, so i cant tell, but your fstab and other drive dependent files will be broken
[12:39] <aeo> yeah that's for sure
[12:39] <aeo> but the first step is configuring a grub boot disk
[12:39] <jimi> yeah
[12:39] <Thybalt> ApesMa,  thank you anyway for your time
[12:39] <jimi> cost nothing to try =)
[12:39] <Thybalt> jimi, you know something about sound cards ?
[12:40] <jimi> i dont know how to boot a usb drive thow
[12:40] <Thybalt> nor do i
[12:40] <jimi> nope sorry thybalt.. i have 2.1 ^_
[12:40] <aeo> well
[12:40] <Thybalt> thank you guys. i'll come back later . i could just be lucky enough to find someone with 5.1
[12:40] <aeo> google is my friend thenn
[12:40] <jimi> you could try a usb drive distribution like flonix and then replacing everything with ubuntu hehe
[12:41] <aeo> O_O
[12:41] <aeo> that sounds harder
[12:41] <jimi> but at least it'll boot
[12:41] <jimi> i dont know
[12:41] <aeo> btw, which usb distro is available ?
[12:41] <jimi> he
[12:41] <ApesMa> My sound problem is that the only thing that I've found so far that makes sound is lbreakout2. (Using Hoary test 3; mobo has on board sound, but I'm trying to use a Sound Blaster Live.)
[12:41] <aeo> i had only heard about flashlinux
[12:42] <jimi> flonix i think
[12:43] <aeo> ok
[12:43] <aeo> xm, ok i found it
[12:46] <coulix> how to desactivite the font auto hinting ? the font  doesnt looks very net
[12:46] <boxemall> doea anyone know how to reactivate x-serv?
[12:47] <coulix> startx
[12:47] <boxemall> it stopped workin after installing vmware
[12:47] <boxemall> it says something about reconfiguring
[12:47] <coulix> xf96config
[12:47] <coulix> *86
[12:52] <aeo> when is it safe to delete /tmp/*
[12:52] <jdub> aeo: during boot ;)
[12:52] <Aurel_> hello everyone
[12:53] <jimi> brb
[12:53] <aeo> is that done automatically?
[12:53] <Aurel_> is it possible to mount an FILE.iso ?
[12:54] <odyssey> hello
[12:54] <lestat730> anyone know where the option is in gnoppix to install to hard disk?
[12:55] <k31th> will this distro support my tv card out of the box ?
[12:57] <boxemall> even with sudo i can't get out of my root folder
[12:57] <boxemall> what do i do wrong?
[12:57] <odyssey> k31th, whats your tv card?
[12:58] <dud> if its a conexant bt878 or that newer conexant chip, it will
[12:58] <Falstius> Aurel_: mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/iso
[12:58] <Falstius> or some variation on that.
[12:58] <dud> http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/bttv.html
[12:59] <odyssey> if i dist upgrade to hoary i have to remove xfree86 by hand right?
[01:00] <Bigglez> Hello out there, Is there a list of software in the components (like Universe) that I can look at?
[01:00] <Bigglez> I want to see if Ubu supports the apps I use.
[01:02] <MrTrick> what the...
[01:02] <MrTrick> If I open this link: http://www.melonpool.com/ in mozilla on ubuntu, mozilla just quits.
[01:03] <Bigglez> Am not in Ubu now - can't test that.
[01:04] <ssam> bigglez have a look around http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[01:05] <hikaru79> MrNaughty, it's just you
[01:05] <hikaru79> Oops
[01:05] <hikaru79> Wrong auto-complete
[01:05] <hikaru79> MrTrick, it's just you
[01:05] <MrTrick> k, thank you hikaru79...
[01:05] <hikaru79> I can open melonpool.com in Mozilla with no problem =/
[01:05] <MrTrick> stupid thing...
[01:05] <Bigglez> ssam - thanks, will try now
[01:05] <hikaru79> MrTrick, what version of Moz?
[01:05] <MrTrick> hikaru79, which OS though?
[01:05] <hikaru79> Ubuntu
[01:05] <MrTrick> .93
[01:06] <hikaru79> Hm, that could be the problem
[01:06] <hikaru79> ever heard of the warty backports projet?
[01:06] <hikaru79> It's a repository that gives you newer versions of certain programs
[01:06] <hikaru79> Firefox is one of them
[01:06] <hikaru79> That repository will get you version 1.0
[01:06] <MrTrick> odd
[01:06] <hikaru79> Which is what I'm running.
[01:06] <ssam> bigglez, you may be able to work it out from there
[01:06] <MrTrick> so... how to run it?
[01:07] <Aurel_> Falstius, thanks thanks thanks :)
[01:07] <hikaru79> MrTrick, read here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[01:07] <hikaru79> Scroll down to the one called "UbuntuBackports"
[01:08] <MrTrick> why not just apt-get upgrade firefox?
[01:09] <Bigglez> ssam - not having much luck with that url. Is there another way to find a list of apps?
[01:09] <hikaru79> MrTrick, because if you're only using the Warty repository, 0.93 is the *newest* version there
[01:10] <hikaru79> Unless you're either already on the backports, or using Hoary.
[01:10] <hikaru79> I assumed you were using Warty?
[01:10] <ssam> um. maybe there is a list in the wiki
[01:10] <jdub> don't use the backports
[01:10] <hikaru79> jdub, why not?
[01:10] <jdub> they'll screw up your upgrade when you move to hoary
[01:10] <hikaru79> Really? I had no problems with that...
[01:11] <jdub> firefox in warty is very reasonable
[01:11] <jdub> if you want a newer version, upgrade to hoary and help test :)
[01:11] <k31th> 1.0 ?
[01:11] <MrTrick> ah, ok
[01:11] <hikaru79> jdub, this guy is saying a certain page is crashing on him every time he runs it, but on my 1.0 (Hoary), it works fine.
[01:11] <jdub> hikaru79: you probably just haven't noticed it yet
[01:11] <MrTrick> gnight
[01:11] <MrTrick> bedtime...
[01:11] <hikaru79> jdub, I've been on Hoary for over a month.
[01:11] <jdub> uh huh
[01:11] <jdub> backports are insidious
[01:11] <MrTrick> jdub: I've gotta get warty working first.
[01:11] <hikaru79> =P LOL
[01:11] <ssam> or http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu has versions of major packages
[01:12] <jdub> please do not recommend them
[01:12] <Bigglez> ssam - (on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/) I found a 6mb file - it may help... will see!
[01:13] <Bigglez> Well this will take forever... :( Thanks for the link
[01:15] <odyssey> what are backports?
[01:16] <jdub> evil brokenness
[01:16] <Falstius> has anyone gotten a card with int ICH6 (or cmaudio "high definition" sound") to play sound (or load a driver)?
[01:16] <topyli> odyssey: you take new, unstable source packages to make binary packages on a stable system
[01:17] <odyssey> topyli, thanks
[01:18] <topyli> odyssey: then you distribute them on the net so everybody can mess up their systems with your packages :)
[01:18] <odyssey> :/
[01:20] <EvolutionR> when I want to install rp pppoe. I type ./configure the outcomes erro no gcc, cc. No cc path was found
[01:20] <Falstius> EvolutionR: install gcc
[01:20] <Falstius> apt-get install build-essential
[01:21] <EvolutionR> Falstius: but I saw on the synaptic package show installed GCC for base ? is it different?
[01:21] <EvolutionR> there is a gcc 3.3 uncheck
[01:22] <EvolutionR> gcc-3.3 base check
[01:22] <Falstius> EvolutionR: I think those are the runtime (.so) libraries
[01:22] <defile> I can see that this distro will probably grow on me =)
[01:22] <EvolutionR> okie I follow ur instructions?
[01:22] <Falstius> try build essential, the work that happens is it tells you it is already installed.
[01:23] <EvolutionR> Falstius: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able)
[01:23] <EvolutionR> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
[01:23] <hikaru79> EvolutionR, do you have Synaptic running as well?
[01:23] <hikaru79> If you do, close it
[01:24] <hikaru79> You can't apt-get and have Synaptic running at the same time
[01:24] <EvolutionR> yes: I have synaptic running
[01:24] <hikaru79> Close. They can't co-exist
[01:24] <EvolutionR> oic is there any easy way?
[01:24] <hikaru79> Close and try: apt-get build-essential again
[01:24] <hikaru79> Err
[01:24] <hikaru79> Just press the "X" in the top-right corner?
[01:24] <EvolutionR> okie I've close !
[01:24] <hikaru79> Good =)
[01:24] <hikaru79> In a terminal
[01:24] <hikaru79> type
[01:24] <Falstius> EvolutionR: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:24] <Falstius> it is only 1 command line, how easy can it get?
[01:24] <hikaru79> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:25] <EvolutionR> Suggested packages:
[01:25] <EvolutionR>   gcc-3.3-doc manpages-dev autoconf automake libtool flex bison gcc-doc libstdc++5-3.3-doc stl-manual
[01:25] <hikaru79> Yes
[01:25] <hikaru79> Just say "Y"
[01:25] <EvolutionR> Need to get 0B/4128kB of archives.
[01:25] <EvolutionR> After unpacking 13.2MB of additional disk space will be used.
[01:25] <EvolutionR> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
[01:25] <EvolutionR> okie
[01:25] <hikaru79> "Y"
[01:25] <hikaru79> It'll install and set up a whole lot of stuff
[01:25] <hikaru79> Then try ./configure again and all should be well
[01:25] <EvolutionR> hikaru79: tru the apt - get command?
[01:26] <EvolutionR> hikaru79: use the synaptic or apt - get better?
[01:26] <hikaru79> No... weren't you trying to manually ./configure and compile a source package?
[01:26] <EvolutionR> hikaru79: yes...later when the download finish
[01:26] <hikaru79> Yes, then compile it
[01:26] <hikaru79> With ./configure , make , make install
[01:26] <Falstius> EvolutionR: they are the same (synaptic and apt-get) but it is easier for use to tell you a command to type than how to click the right boxes in a gui.
[01:27] <EvolutionR> etting up libstdc++5-3.3-dev (3.3.4-9ubuntu5) ...
[01:27] <EvolutionR> Setting up g++-3.3 (3.3.4-9ubuntu5) ...
[01:27] <EvolutionR> Setting up g++ (3.3.4-1) ...
[01:27] <EvolutionR> Setting up build-essential (10ubuntu1) ...
[01:27] <hikaru79> You only use Synaptic or apt-get to get stuff that's already in the ubuntu repositories
[01:27] <EvolutionR> yes already set up
[01:27] <hikaru79> EvolutionR, good
[01:27] <hikaru79> Now try again
[01:27] <hikaru79> The ./configure line that didn't work before
[01:27] <EvolutionR> it running
[01:27] <hikaru79> ^_^ Good
[01:27] <EvolutionR> :)
[01:27] <hikaru79> I gotta run to school x_x
[01:27] <EvolutionR> thanks
[01:27] <hikaru79> I'm gonna be late ><
[01:27] <EvolutionR> okie
[01:28] <EvolutionR> gtg too
[01:42] <freet> jip jop :)
[01:43] <odyssey> tip top?
[01:44] <Bigglez> Has anyone got KDE running in Ubu?
[01:44] <Guardiann> have not tried
[01:45] <Bigglez> Do you need KDE for apps like Koffice etc?
[01:45] <Quest-Master> Hmm
[01:45] <Quest-Master> I'm trying to upgrade to Hoary
[01:45] <jdub> Bigglez: no
[01:45] <Quest-Master> And I keep on getting this error
[01:45] <Quest-Master> Preparing to replace mozilla-firefox 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3 (using .../mozilla-firefox_1.0+dfsg.1-2ubuntu3_i386.deb) ...
[01:45] <Quest-Master> rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults/pref': Is a directory
[01:45] <Quest-Master> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0+dfsg.1-2ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[01:45] <Quest-Master>  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[01:45] <Quest-Master> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:45] <Quest-Master>  /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0+dfsg.1-2ubuntu3_i386.deb
[01:45] <Quest-Master> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:45] <Quest-Master> Sorry; it is a bit huge
[01:46] <Bigglez> jdub - thx.
[01:46] <rob__> I have tried to install KDE but usually something is broken
[01:47] <Bigglez> Is there a way to switch desktops between users under Gnome? In KDE it was tricky to setup.
[01:47] <Bigglez> rob - that's scary.
[01:47] <Quest-Master> jdub? Anyone? :\
[01:48] <Bigglez> Quest-Master : I know squat, but maybe you can try remove /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults/pref
[01:48] <jdub> Bigglez: yeah, it's pretty easy in gnome
[01:48] <Bigglez> and then try again ?
[01:48] <jdub> Bigglez: all integrated into the display manager
[01:48] <Quest-Master> That's where my profile is though
[01:48] <Quest-Master> :\
[01:49] <Bigglez> jdub - thanks again. I am moving to Ubu or Fedora 3 - so this is my decision day :)
[01:49] <theine> does Real software offer proprietary plugins for the Helix player so that one can play Real audio, etc.
[01:49] <rob__> hey do you guys use the Mail Notification program with Gmail?
[01:49] <Bigglez> Quest - try move the folder elsewhere? Make a copy!!!
[01:49] <Dutchy> im looking for a program that can change the processor fan speed, would you know of any? (like speedfan, but for linux)
[01:49] <Quest-Master> hmmy.
[01:49] <Quest-Master> jdub: Would you know?
[01:50] <Bigglez> Dutchy - I use a hamster, just get a stronger one to turn the wheel attached to the fan !
[01:50] <Quest-Master> I upgraded to Hoary using your guide, anyhow
[01:50] <Quest-Master> Ok, this is great
[01:50] <Bigglez> What are the advantages to going Hoary?  Just wondering. How long till Hoary is official?
[01:51] <jdub> Bigglez: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[01:52] <Bigglez> jdub - tah.
[01:53] <Bigglez> April 2005!   Can I simply do an apt-get dist-upgrade after that?
[01:55] <jdub> no
[01:55] <rob__> so thats what grok means, thanks google
[01:55] <jdub> you can't downgrade easily at all
[01:55] <Quest-Master> .. nooo
[01:56] <Bigglez> rob_ I got it from the source man! I must be old...
[01:56] <Quest-Master> I shouldn't have tried to upgrade. :(
[01:56] <rob__> has anyone here read DiveIntoPython
[01:56] <Bigglez> Okay - off to play with my hdd's and jumpers and cables and Ubu disk! Thanks for the help.
[01:57] <Quest-Master> rob__: me :)
[01:57] <Quest-Master> jdub: Upgrading to Hoary ends right here: Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:57] <Quest-Master>  /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0-2ubuntu4-warty99_i386.deb
[01:57] <Quest-Master> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:57] <rob__> Is it worth reading for a unexperienced person like myself?
[01:57] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[01:57] <rob__> (i only know a little php and C)
[01:57] <Quest-Master> It's a great read, rob__
[01:58] <rob__> Quest-Master: alright thanks
[02:02] <no0tic> ehi, aptitude dist-upgrade wants to install the 386 kernel but I have latest k7 kernel installed
[02:03] <rob__> what is the k7 anyway? is that an AMD or Intell chip?
[02:04] <mjt> it's amd
[02:07] <no0tic> what can I do?
[02:07] <no0tic> I don't need those packages
[02:09] <theine> i recently upgraded to hoary (which is very, very nice) and now there a hundreds of device files in /dev, which doesn't look very udev-like... is that normal?
[02:09] <theine> plus there is /.dev which i have never seen before...
[02:10] <Zindar>  /.dev exists in warty as well
[02:11] <Zindar> it's a old-kind-of-/dev
[02:19] <theine> so what about all those device files?
[02:19] <LesleyB> what device files? I think my partition's screwed up
[02:25] <Falstius> LesleyB: you should probably look up grub error 18
[02:25] <LesleyB> I have Falstius
[02:26] <Falstius> what is it?
[02:26] <LesleyB> it's about a fscked up partition
[02:26] <LesleyB> but
[02:26] <LesleyB> I used the basic install of Unbunti
[02:26] <LesleyB> one root partition and the swap
[02:26] <LesleyB> or even Ubuntu
[02:26] <k31th> im going to be installing in 32mins
[02:26] <Falstius> what file-system?
[02:27] <LesleyB> so is Error 18 symptomatic of anything other than a partition problem? and if so, why does a basic Ubuntu install die ?  FS is ext3
[02:27] <Falstius> more likely it is your disk that is bad or problems with the controller
[02:27] <LesleyB> ok
[02:27] <Falstius> did you use the whole disk?
[02:28] <LesleyB> yep
[02:28] <LesleyB> it's been dead a little while and I have no data of any use on it
[02:28] <LesleyB> it was running SuSE 8.2 and then debian ok
[02:28] <Falstius> *shrug* possibly your hd has some bad sectors then.
[02:29] <LesleyB> then I resurrected another box because the debian was a woody install and I couldn't raise a GUI on it
[02:29] <k31th> oO why not
[02:29] <LeeColleton> LesleyB: You should check in BIOS that the drive is set to use LBA (LargeBlockAdressing)
[02:29] <LesleyB> ok LeeColleton
[02:29] <LesleyB> I'll check that
[02:29] <k31th> LesleyB why could you not booot x because it was woody ?
[02:30] <LesleyB> no I could boot that ok
[02:30] <LesleyB> just didn't have a GUI on it and I wanted one
[02:30] <k31th> ok..
[02:30] <Adrenal> what do you call it when a five year old codes a file manager?
[02:30] <Adrenal> kde
[02:30] <LesleyB> but there was a screw up sometime back with Debian and this was an old download of woody
[02:30] <jdub> Adrenal: that's unnecessary here
[02:30] <Adrenal> jdub: you know its true
[02:31] <k31th> ubuntu uses gnome right ?
[02:31] <Adrenal> by default
[02:31] <k31th> kool
[02:31] <Adrenal> it is, primarily, a gnome distro
[02:31] <k31th> i havent used knome for ages
[02:31] <k31th> fluxbox and kde
[02:31] <Adrenal> knome?
[02:31] <jdub> Adrenal: the last thing we are interested in here is kde/gnome flaming.
[02:32] <rob__> hey anyone able to get mono installed on hoary?
[02:32] <Falstius> xfce4 is tasty.
[02:32] <rob__> I need to get it running so i can install beagel
[02:32] <tritium> It seems evolution-exchange keeps getting worse
[02:32] <jdub> rob__: yes, almost all of the beagle dependencies are installable from hoary
[02:33] <rob__> I tried last night and there were some unfullfilable dependencies for mono
[02:33] <rob__> I can try again today
[02:33] <gusto> ./uptime
[02:33] <rob__> There was another guy who had a simmiler problem on the wiki for beagle
[02:33] <LesleyB> LeeColleton: LBA is on for that HDD
[02:34] <Adrenal> jdub:understood
[02:37] <Adrenal> damn, i miss them already
[02:46] <Rotundo> hello
[02:48] <Guardiann> hello
[02:48] <k31th> hello
[02:48] <LeeColleton> hello
[02:49] <no0tic> when I close my lid and then reopen it, I find a blank screen with a blinking cursor (like a console without login) Alt+F7 is enough to return to graphics. Why this strange behaviour?
[02:50] <LesleyB> what GRUB does Ubuntu use?
[02:50] <Rotundo> I am having a problem with a new ubuntu install I was hoping someone may point me in the right direction, I am a long time debian user (still learning) and have never seen this.  When I umount eitehr of two vfat partitions on my machine the whole system locks up, leaving me no recourse but the reset switch
[02:50] <LeeColleton> no0tic: Xwindows doesn't like to suspend on some laptops.  There's a hackish work around to automatically switch to a console when you suspend and switch back to the GUI when you resume.
[02:51] <no0tic> LeeColleton: the laptop doesn't suspend
[02:55] <tritium> Rotundo, that's a documented bug.
[02:56] <Rotundo> well theres a reason one should actually research a bug prior to hoping in irc :)
[02:56] <tritium> Rotundo, do you have nautilus open when it occurs?
[02:56] <Rotundo> yes
[02:56] <Rotundo> I think
[02:56] <rob__> Is it fixed in hoary tritium, cause if it was he could try updating to fix it.....
[02:56] <tritium> Rotundo, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5887
[02:56] <Rotundo> it was just happening last night (first ubuntu install) and first thing this morning I thought I'd come here and ask about it
[02:57] <tritium> rob__, I don't think so.  That bug says "Hoary will hang..."
[02:57] <Rotundo> so I dont have the machine here to verify.
[02:57] <MM2> is photoshop ported for macosX? when it will be ported to linux?
[02:57] <tritium> rob__, actually, it says the status is resolved, so it might be fixed
[02:57] <tritium> Rotundo, you're on Warty?
[02:57] <Rotundo> well thats
[02:58] <Rotundo> it happened with the warty install then I upgraded to hoary. (is that the right order or vice versa?)
[02:58] <tritium> Rotundo, that order would make sense.  It looks like the bug is upstream.
[02:59] <Rotundo> according to 5431 its an inotify issue, which would explain not seeing it in debian proper
[02:59] <eyequeue> in xchat, what is "reset marker line"? ^M
[03:00] <tritium> I'm looking at 5431 now too ;)
[03:00] <rob__> my scaner on my Printer/Scanner/Copyer(etc.etc.)isnt working automagically on Xsane, should I report a bug to Ubuntu or search out the Xsane bugzilla? any other suggestions?
[03:01] <eyequeue> MM2:  tried gimp yet?
[03:01] <Rotundo> seems the other bug was resolved because it was deemed a dup of 5431
[03:01] <tritium> Rotundo, right
[03:02] <tritium> I hate mow my laptop charger overheats and shuts off if I try to both power my laptop and charge a battery at the same time.
[03:03] <tritium> how, not mow :)
[03:03] <rob__> should I just go to ubuntu bugzilla?
[03:04] <LesleyB> tiddly pip :)
[03:05] <eyequeue> is there a bug search tool in ubuntu, like querybts in debian?
[03:05] <jdub> eyequeue: bugzilla.ubuntu.com ...
[03:05] <eyequeue> jdub:  nothing to automate the lookup?
[03:06] <eyequeue> jdub:  simple to script, but i dind't want to reinvent the wheel
[03:07] <tritium> something like apt-listbugs might be nice, as in the case of Monday's metacity bug
[03:08] <tritium> which, btw, could probably be taken off the topic, I would think
[03:08] <tritium> :)
[03:09] <eyequeue> ask and ye shall observe-it-done :)
[03:09] <tritium> thanks, daniels
[03:09] <snowblink> you could always use FF quick search
[03:09] <snowblink> set one up for bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:10] <Phineas> Any ops here? Christine__ is a spam bot
[03:11] <tritium> snowblink, I'll check into it
[03:12] <k31th> "could not retrieve xfsprogs. This may be due to a network problem or a bad CD"
[03:13] <duzchip> How do i install rpm-packages under ubuntu?
[03:13] <duzchip> I need to install my ati-drivers
[03:13] <Falstius> duz, and don't you install the ones in ubuntu?
[03:14] <duzchip> the ones in ubuntu?
[03:14] <tritium> fglrx?
[03:14] <tritium> duzchip, "apt-cache search fglrx"
[03:16] <duzchip> does it work any good?
[03:16] <duzchip> the driver i mean
[03:16] <tritium> duzchip, dunno, I have nVidia
[03:16] <duzchip> Oh oki
[03:16] <duzchip> cause ATI is known to suck quite big under linux
[03:16] <duzchip> I dont understand why they only have rpm-packages on their own site
[03:16] <k31th> damn it
[03:16] <k31th> I O errors
[03:16] <tritium> probably because of the LSB
[03:16] <duzchip> Do i just restart the x-server after installing the fglrx?
[03:17] <Falstius> duzchip, it works I don't have any measure of how well.
[03:17] <Falstius> you have to setup the X config file.
[03:18] <Falstius> they include a tool to do it, but its kind of painful.
[03:18] <Falstius> I just use the standard linux driver with my laptop (radeon m9000)
[03:19] <wezzer> who the hell is this Christina___ ?
[03:19] <rob__> I've been thinking about getting a dual screen videocard for my desktop.
[03:19] <Phineas> spam bot
[03:19] <wezzer> yea, I noticed
[03:20] <nevyn> rob__: don't
[03:20] <wezzer> could someone show way out to her?
[03:20] <rob__> nevyn:whats your take on this?
[03:20] <Falstius> rob__: I had one ... it was nice.  Gave me a warm goey feeling watching a movie on one screen while working on something on the other.
[03:21] <nevyn> rob__: X performance on dualhead is kinda not good.
[03:21] <rob__> Falstius: warm goey feeling? what movie were you watching?
[03:21] <pybe> rob__: just pick up another cheap pci card and stick it in
[03:22] <rob__> nevyn: I had heard from my friend that in general GNU/Linux support was better than windows's
[03:22] <Falstius> its not what you watch but who you watch it with... after that though I can't stand working on a windows singlehead.  With multiple desktops linux is okay.
[03:23] <pybe> rob__ : I had 1 agp and 2 pci cards with 3 screens at one point http://www.pybe.co.uk/files/temp-upload/my-office/my-office-1.jpg
[03:23] <rob__> pybe: how well does that work, I have integrated soundcard on my motherbord and a soundcard I put in and only one works (the motherbord one) even thought the soundcard worked fine before I moved it to this PC on ubuntu
[03:24] <wezzer> question: does that evolution'
[03:24] <rob__> pybe: well that answers my question
[03:24] <wezzer> s
[03:24] <wezzer> spam filter work at all?
[03:24] <pybe> rob__: im using 2 cards at the mo on ubuntu
[03:24] <Falstius> rob__: and you modified the alsa config?
[03:25] <rob__> Falstius:  no i dont know anything about that
[03:25] <pybe> rob__: try to disable the ondoard on in the bios and see if ubuntu picks up the other
[03:25] <pybe> rob__: is it in lspci?
[03:25] <nevyn> rob__: better than windows.. doesn't mean good
[03:25] <rob__> the driver is recognized I know that
[03:26] <pybe> rob__: what for?
[03:26] <pybe> rob__: do lspci | grep audio in a termina
[03:26] <pybe> +l
[03:26] <rob__> because the volume configuration (prefrences) menu shows 2 diffrent cards. just one of them doesnt work
[03:27] <rob__> 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)
[03:27] <rob__> 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]  (rev 01)
[03:27] <rob__> The cirrus logic is the card that doesnt work.
[03:27] <pybe> rob__: in vol prefs are the 2 choices oss and alsa?
[03:28] <pybe> rob__: if so thats the 2 different sound systems not 2 differnt cards
[03:28] <kasv> does the AMD64 ATi driver support 32-bit OpenGL apps?
[03:28] <Falstius> probably there are two devs in /dev and the wrong one is being used.  check /dev/sound/
[03:28] <rob__> I dont know.
[03:29] <pybe> rob__: open the prefs and does it say at the end of the 2 choises OSS on one ans ALSA on the other
[03:29] <rob__> I think i might be in the wrong preffs menu it has a tab for playback and capture
[03:30] <rob__> oh wait there are 2 OSS devices and 2 Alsa Devices
[03:30] <rob__> in the "change devices" menu
[03:30] <pybe> rob__: ok they are both picked up and with the drivers
[03:31] <t325> rob__ like pybe said before, disable the o/b card in the bios, in the worst case, if there is nothing about this in the bios, then find ur mb's manual, there is probably a jumper to remove.
[03:31] <pybe> rob__: try setting them all to alsa and the same device, see which ones the cirrus
[03:31] <rob__> how do I do these things?
[03:32] <pybe> rob__: select them in the drop down
[03:32] <k31th> oh i like this "new cool updated debian"
[03:32] <nevyn> hrm I still can't find stratagus.
[03:32] <geppel> My machine has two HD's (hda,hdb). I have WinXP installed on hda and I just installed Ubuntu on hdb and during the install when I was asked to install grub, instead of installing it on the MBR I choose /dev/hdb1 (my / parition (including /boot). I then booted off the Ubuntu livecd and did the following: dd if=/dev/hdb1 of=/boot.lnx bs=512 count=1 and copied the boot.lnx to my winxp parition and edit the boot.ini, thus creating a dual boot syst
[03:32] <geppel> em using the ntldr. However when I try to boot into Ubuntu Linux I get the word GRUB on the screen and nothing else it just hangs. Whats wrong? (btw, I've been able to dual boot like this with Debian and Gentoo). Any help would be appreciated!
[03:34] <Falstius> geppel: haven't done it for years so I can't answer, but why do you want to use ntldr instead of grub?
[03:34] <rob__> pybe: i cant find the drop down menu is it because I am running hoary?
[03:35] <geppel> Falstius: because whenever I do a service pack upgrade or other major windows update my grub boot loader is always overriden
[03:35] <pybe> rob__: im on hoary
[03:36] <rob__> so I just go to prefrences and pic the Alsa Cyrus card?
[03:36] <Falstius> geppel: that is very strange ... sounds like the root sys is not configured properly in grub.
[03:36] <pybe> rob__: easyest thing to try 1st is to reboot and enter your bios setup
[03:37] <pybe> rob__: and look to see if you have an option to disable onboard sound
[03:37] <rob__> ok thanks I'll try that.
[03:37] <Phineas> Is there a way to mount my ntfs partition along with the other media and drives?
[03:38] <pybe> Phineas: try apt-cache search ^ntfs and ^libntfs - i think they are the part that let you mount ntfs
[03:39] <Phineas> Well I've got it mounted in /mnt, I wanted to know how I get it on the drives window and such
[03:44] <pybe> Phineas: add it to fstab i think
[03:46] <pybe> geppel: i have installed 2ksp4 xpsp1 xpsp2 on dual boot machines and its never over written grub for me....
[03:46] <Phineas> pybe, yeah all I had to do was change the mount location from /mnt to /media, and add the req directories
[03:48] <TongMaster> Anyone an op here?
[03:48] <pybe> TongMaster: nope
[03:48] <dud> i dont suppose anyone could help me get rar installed on an amd64?
[03:48] <TongMaster> You may want to /whois Christina___ and ban it.
[03:49] <dud> i got rar working on debian pure64 earlier, so it is possible...
[03:50] <daniels> TongMaster: cheers mate
[03:50] <TongMaster> np's
[03:50] <nevyn> what was that about?
[03:50] <tigger|nl> spambot
[03:50] <t325> dud maybe by installing with the source, if there is no x86-64 pkg
[03:50] <TongMaster> nevyn, sexbot spam
[03:50] <lupus_> can someone tell me how to reinstall dbus?
[03:50] <nevyn> ah.
[03:51] <lupus_> it's not removed but broken
[03:51] <Orbo> hi, help?
[03:52] <Orbo> alsa is picking up my onboard sound and not my audigy2
[03:52] <pybe> Orbo: try to disable the onboard sound in the bios and see if it picks up the audigy
[03:53] <dud> t325, i keep getting this "dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386)"
[03:53] <dud> seems that its not able to build for amd64
[03:54] <Orbo> pybe, k
[03:54] <t325> mmh.. and binary 32bits install?
[03:55] <dud> segment faults
[03:55] <lupus_> sorry can someone answer my question I just asked I went offline :(
[03:57] <t325> You can always dl a general linux rar version, but you will have less system integration.. http://www.rarlab.com/rar/rarlinux-3.4.1.tar.gz
[03:59] <t325> lupus_ did you try uninstalling then reinstalling it?
[03:59] <lupus_> if I uninstall it
[03:59] <lupus_> all the dependencies
[03:59] <lupus_> get uninstalled two
[04:00] <jono> daniels, ping
[04:00] <t325> ok.. try apt-get reconfigure or configure (I don't remember) dbus
[04:01] <daniels> jono: whattup
[04:02] <jono> daniels, do you know how the OQO is doing? has cjwatson mailed it onto you?
[04:03] <daniels> jono: i'm not sure, sorry -- fairly sure it hasn't been sent my way yet.  you could always ask him :)
[04:04] <jono> daniels, I mailed him and no response yet
[04:04] <daniels> ah
[04:04] <jono> daniels, he seems to have been away from IRC too - maybe he is sick or on holiday or something
[04:04] <daniels> dunno, sorry
[04:05] <jono> no probs
[04:15] <king_arthur> hi everybody here
[04:15] <EvolutionR> ! Could not look up internet address for. This will prevent Gnome from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding to the file /etc/hosts. Hi, I don't understand wat file do I need to add? Anyone?
[04:15] <king_arthur> would like to set up a remote ftp connection to ubuntu, how can I do that?
[04:16] <king_arthur> could anybody please advice?
[04:16] <king_arthur> aslo ssh would be just fine
[04:16] <king_arthur> *also
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[04:17] <EvolutionR> Is Gnome 2.8, Ubuntu 4.10
[04:19] <Get> Hi! I've a labtec webcam old model, how to get it work in ubuntu?
[04:21] <Schumiester> any South Africans in here i need to ask a question
[04:22] <Schumiester> how long do ordered ubuntu cd's take to get to you
[04:24] <Schumiester> how long do ordered ubuntu cd's take to get to you
[04:24] <k31th> why cant i access root ?
[04:24] <mjr> *sigh*, writing this material is cumbersome
[04:24] <t325> EvolutionR, when I start gnome2.6 in mdk without being connected to internet, I get the same msg so it's a gnome, not an ubuntu issue; but (for me) then Gnome works correctly so don't pay attention to the warning, if gnome loads, it's ok.
[04:24] <k31th> im trying su from vconsole
[04:24] <Schumiester> anyone please
[04:25] <michal_> mine took a month to arrive
[04:25] <pybe-lappy> k31th: use sudo command
[04:26] <k31th> yeh just noticed that
[04:26] <k31th> grr
[04:26] <EvolutionR> t325: the problem is I can log into Gnome by pressing "Login Anyway", when I want to run program like root terminal, networking nothing seems to work!
[04:26] <eyequeue> mjr: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz might be of interest
[04:26] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: my laptop works fine offline
[04:26] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: whats the error?
[04:26] <t325> k31th, If you really want root account enabled, sudo passwd root
[04:26] <EvolutionR> t325: I've just installed the rp pppoe, after reboot the error message came out!
[04:27] <snowblink> king_arthur: sudo apt-get ssh
[04:27] <eyequeue> mjr:  it's not 2005 though, but it may be a starting point
[04:27] <mjr> eyequeue, sure, might be a nice reference
[04:27] <mjr> thanks
[04:27] <eyequeue> mjr:  np
[04:27] <king_arthur> snowblink: already done thanks 8)
[04:27] <EvolutionR> pybe-lappy:  ! Could not look up internet address for. This will prevent Gnome from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding to the file /etc/hosts.
[04:27] <t325> EvolutionR, and does your connection work with rpppoe?
[04:28] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: thats a problem with your hostname
[04:28] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: what do you have in /etc/hosts
[04:29] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: do you have a <IP_ADDRESS> entry?
[04:29] <EvolutionR> t325: I dont know because I've just freshly installed this ubuntu, trying to get connection tru rp pppoe, I just  tested the ./go-gui,after tat I closed and shut down the machine. I try to boot into gnome the message appear!
[04:29] <spockster> need some help with ma111 usb wireless adapter anyone?
[04:29] <EvolutionR> pybe-lappy: yes! I think so, I've look at it almost like that
[04:29] <EvolutionR> pybe-lappy: wat's the solutions?
[04:29] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: whats the 127 line
[04:30] <Schumiester> how long do ubuntu cd's take to ship??
[04:30] <dud> argh! i keep getting this "Cannot open display" message whenever i try to run something from terminal
[04:30] <dud> its killing me heh
[04:30] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: should be like: <IP_ADDRESS> localhost.localdomain localhost <yourhostname>
[04:30] <pybe-lappy> dud: are you as root?
[04:30] <dud> root account is disabled
[04:30] <EvolutionR> pybe-lappy: not I'm not root normal user...but I'm on dual boot now windows
[04:31] <EvolutionR> have to reboot
[04:31] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: k
[04:31] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: make sure you have a line like I pasted
[04:31] <EvolutionR> pybe-lappy: so the <IP_ADDRESS> where's it from? from which ip?
[04:31] <EvolutionR> what the hostname where can I get this info?
[04:32] <pybe-lappy> dud: yeah but you can enable it, thats the error i would expect if i su - then tried to run a gui app from terminal
[04:32] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  cat /etc/hostname, also see the file /etc/hosts
[04:32] <dud> yeah... the problem is that im not running as root heh
[04:32] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: the hostname is what your machine is called <IP_ADDRESS> is a fake ip for local stuff
[04:32] <selinium_> Hi all, I am a complete linux newbie. I am going to install linux on my home PC. Basically, Why should I use ubunto? :)
[04:32] <dud> perhaps my user isnt in a group that it should be...
[04:32] <dud> or something
[04:33] <pybe-lappy> selinium_: cause its good, easy to use and great community support
[04:33] <Schumiester> selinium it rocks
[04:33] <EvolutionR> pybe-lappy: OKie!
[04:33] <pybe-lappy> dud: what are you trying to run
[04:33] <eyequeue> selinium_:  i don't know, but ubuntU, well, that's another story ;-)
[04:33] <Falstius> selinium_: it doesn't have 5 million packages you don't need already installed.  And the interface is smooth.
[04:34] <Schumiester> i need ubuntu cd's mine taking forever to ship
[04:34] <dud> anything based on gtk... gmplayer, gxine, dvdrip, whatever ;/
[04:34] <mindphasr> selinium_: Why do you want to use linux?
[04:34] <Falstius> easy upgrades and friendly community.
[04:34] <pybe-lappy> Schumiester: dload the iso and burn it
[04:34] <dud> hmm, $DISPLAY is empty... that cant be right?
[04:34] <selinium_> I was wating for someone to point out my spelling mistake! :P
[04:34] <eyequeue> selinium_:  you're welcome ;-)
[04:35] <selinium_> I think thats enough praise for UBUNTU I will install. Cyu guys later! (Probably with lots of questions!)
[04:35] <Schumiester> i oly have 56K connection duh!!
[04:35] <pybe-lappy> dud: if you type 'echo $DISPLAY' there is nothing there?
[04:36] <dud> nope, its empty...
[04:36] <dud> im fairly adept in linux, i know how to print out a bash variable hehe
[04:36] <dud> but yes, its empty
[04:37] <bur[n] er> dud: export DISPLAY :0.0 ??
[04:37] <dud> is it gdm that is screwing up?
[04:38] <bur[n] er> u think setting a display variable alone will fix it?
[04:39] <pybe-lappy> Schumiester: where are you?
[04:39] <Schumiester> in johannesburg south africa
[04:40] <dud> seems to have done the job strangely enough....
[04:40] <t325> Schumiester, isn't there an university or webcafe with fast internet access?
[04:40] <Schumiester> no
[04:42] <pybe-lappy> Schumiester: what about http://www.raspberry.co.za/raspberry/OpenSourceCDs/
[04:43] <aaki> hi everybody..could somebody help me with a problem with APM
[04:43] <pybe-lappy> Schumiester: ubuntu cds for R60
[04:43] <aaki> on thinkpad R40
[04:44] <tritium> does lirc work on 2.6 kernels yet?
[04:44] <Schumiester> free shiping
[04:44] <pybe-lappy> aaki: ill try
[04:45] <pybe-lappy> Schumiester: no but you can collect from parktown...
[04:45] <aaki> i have APM working but it is giving a strange error of PCI: Address space collision on region 7 of bridge 0000:00:1f
[04:45] <aaki> thanks pybe..
[04:45] <pybe-lappy> Schumiester: http://www.raspberry.co.za/raspberry/OpenSourceCDs/#shipping
[04:45] <Schumiester> R60 bucks for cd's they get for nothing fuck them
[04:45] <aaki> pybe: i have APM working but it is giving a strange error of PCI: Address space collision on region 7 of bridge 0000:00:1f
[04:46] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> hi, What is the main command to start xwindows?
[04:46] <pybe-lappy> aaki: it and irq conflict
[04:46] <pybe-lappy> aaki: its an even
[04:46] <pybe-lappy> aaki: do you use your parralell port?
[04:46] <aaki> pybe: no not as such..but would disabling it be a good ida for this
[04:47] <pybe-lappy> Schumiester: how many rand to sterling?
[04:47] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> hi, What is the main command to start xwindows?
[04:47] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> HELLO!
[04:47] <pybe-lappy> aaki: it worked for me on my dell laptop
[04:47] <aaki> pybe: means if i disable it ...will this problem go away
[04:47] <aaki> pybe: thanks
[04:47] <pybe-lappy> aaki: in the bios
[04:47] <pybe-lappy> akwjlhrfiouwerh: startx
[04:47] <aaki> pybe: will try and let you know..thanks again
[04:47] <pybe-lappy> aaki: k
[04:48] <tritium> akwjlhrfiouwerh, default ubuntu installations start X at boot
[04:48] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> thanks but I have already tried
[04:48] <pybe-lappy> akwjlhrfiouwerh: installed x?
[04:48] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> I was in one stage of installation, when it rebooted and started downloading
[04:49] <pybe-lappy> akwjlhrfiouwerh: sounds like its not installed
[04:49] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> I Cntrl alt del it, and when it rebooted
[04:49] <Schumiester> these guys charge 50% more than tangent solution 0860 11 linux
[04:49] <tritium> why did you Ctrl-Alt-Del?
[04:49] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> there was a menu
[04:49] <pybe-lappy> akwjlhrfiouwerh: try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dekstop
[04:49] <eruin> do the radeon drivers have support for 9550 ?
[04:50] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> the downloading took too much. Before downloading it asked if I wanted to keep up to date, but didnt understand it would start downloading immidiatelly
[04:51] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> its installing from the cd
[04:52] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> thank you
[04:52] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> I ll tell you when it's over. But does this mean that the installation is corrupted?
[04:53] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> no, it started downloading again...
[04:53] <pybe-lappy> akwjlhrfiouwerh: dont thinkso sounds like you stoped it before it had finished
[04:53] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> maybe I will format and reinst
[04:54] <pybe-lappy> akwjlhrfiouwerh: you should really update after install anyway to get all the bug/security fixes
[04:55] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> but it's in the vmware, I am installing to find which is the best linux distribution for me, and after deciding I will set it to my physical computer
[04:55] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> I am between SUSE and Ubuntu. Haven't tried any of them yet
[04:57] <dud> hows hoary today btw?
[04:57] <dud> is it broken?
[04:57] <mjr> eruin, the free radeon drivers don't, as ati doesn't provide specs; the proprietary ATI drivers for x86/amd64 do. (Hm, did they publish amd64 yet?)
[04:57] <dud> wondering if i should dare to upgrade apt-get
[04:57] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> anyway thank you, have a nice day
[04:58] <eruin> mjr: thanks ;) - dud: do it! doesn't feel broken here.
[04:58] <dud> every upgrade is like playing russian roulette
[04:58] <dud> with 5/6 chambers full
[04:58] <tritium> dud, no, it's nowhere near that bad
[04:59] <dud> so far, its been like that for me...
[05:00] <EvolutionR> Even worst I've mess up the line 127.0.0......ubuntu by removing it at /etc/hosts I can't do anything I tried to fail safe gnome / terminal can't let me do root? anyknow how?
[05:02] <EvolutionR> I duno which is the culprit here...whether Gnome 2.8 or the Ubuntu 4.10 "!Could not look up internet address for. This will prevent Gnome from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding to the file /etc/hosts. ????
[05:03] <tritium> EvolutionR, what does your /etc/hosts first line say?
[05:04] <dud> just do: echo "<IP_ADDRESS> localhost.localdomain localhost" > /etc/hosts
[05:04] <EvolutionR> at first is the 127.0.01 something like that? then the # The following line are desirable for Ipv6 capable hosts ....etc
[05:04] <EvolutionR> dud: without root?
[05:04] <tritium> EvolutionR, use sudo
[05:04] <EvolutionR> the gnome cant do anything is useless
[05:04] <dud> prefferably as root
[05:05] <siretart> EvolutionR: try sudo gedit /etc/hosts
[05:05] <snowblink> EvolutionR: what are you doing when you get this error?
[05:05] <EvolutionR> siretart: log in as wat session? desktop first / Failsafe Terminal?
[05:05] <EvolutionR> snowblink: I was doing the installing of rp pppoe
[05:06] <siretart> didnt read your x isn't working
[05:07] <snowblink> EvolutionR: what happens if you dig www.google.com?
[05:07] <EvolutionR> ./configure make makeinstall then run ./go-gui after seeing the Gui then I close it then shutdown the computer. After a while when I boot the linux box, I was shocked that the error came out when I log on as normal user.
[05:07] <parazoid> I can?t play midi-files
[05:07] <Sav> i cant use the char > how can i fix that ?
[05:08] <dud> try setting keyboard layout pc105 Sav
[05:08] <dud> erm, keyboard variant even
[05:08] <EvolutionR> do I need to reinstall? wat a buggy thing...I wish ubuntu as stable as others
[05:08] <EvolutionR> :/
[05:09] <dud> dont blame ubuntu heh...
[05:09] <EvolutionR> probably HedgeHog better
[05:09] <snowblink> EvolutionR: you're using ppoe to connect to your DSL modem?
[05:09] <EvolutionR> snowblink : that's it
[05:09] <snowblink> EvolutionR: so you're not connected yet?
[05:09] <EvolutionR> I dint connect it. I close the pppoe Gui. then I shutdown the computer. After tat i reboot the linux box then it show the error
[05:09] <EvolutionR> yes not connected
[05:10] <snowblink> EvolutionR: probably why you're getting the error then