[09:03] <tsdgeos> he lol
[09:03] <tsdgeos> someone has translated Aim as if it was a word
[09:03] <tsdgeos> not a chat network
[09:03] <tsdgeos> so now i can give my "Propóisito" name
[09:03]  * tsdgeos opens a bug
[09:12] <seb128> why is that string even marked as translatable?
[09:23] <tsdgeos> i dont' know
[09:23] <tsdgeos> :D
[09:24] <tsdgeos> https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/address-book-app/aim_is_not_aim/+merge/249161
[10:27] <robertoper> Hi  I have a question about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8-desktop-session/+bug/1320356
[10:27] <robertoper> Is there a workaround?
[10:29] <Saviq> robertoper, there's not much detail on the bug, is it 'unity8-desktop-session-mir' that you have installed?
[10:29] <robertoper> Yes of course
[10:30] <Saviq> robertoper, so you say you're not even taken away from the lightdm screen? looks like unity-system-compositor never started
[10:30] <Saviq> robertoper, if you could clear /var/log/lightdm, try again, and see if there are any interesting log messages there
[10:30] <Saviq> robertoper, also, what's your GPU?
[10:31] <robertoper> My GPU is GTS250
[10:32] <robertoper> I see the log now
[10:34] <Saviq> robertoper, that's nvidia?
[10:34] <robertoper> Saviq: yes
[10:34] <Saviq> robertoper, that would be your problem, proprietary drivers don't yet support Mir
[10:35] <robertoper> I use nouveau because of tthis
[10:37] <robertoper> sorry, but now I need to go, but I'll be back soon
[11:23] <facubatista> Hola
[11:31] <tsdgeos> Saviq: Cimi: this is what we wanted, right? https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/hack_location_data_i18n/+merge/249174
[11:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, looks good enough
[11:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, maybe add TODO/FIXME mentioning the bug#
[11:33] <tsdgeos> sure
[11:35] <tsdgeos> pushed
[12:10] <Cimi> I need help with this scope backend signal, if someone can...
[12:11] <Cimi> trying to diggin in, blocked on C++ as usual
[14:07] <Saviq> whoever made our CI jobs relatively stable again: THANK YOU :D
[14:11] <Cimi> :D
[14:11] <Cimi> who can help me with this model triggered method?
[14:23] <tsdgeos> Saviq: it was the fix for carousel not loading all its child, at least in qmluitests side
[14:23] <tsdgeos> Cimi: i can help you, what do you need
[14:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, that I know we can get done, AP is something I didn't have heart to look into
[14:24] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I want to fake this triggered method of the model
[14:26] <Cimi> tsdgeos, if I understood, we need the preview widgets to emit a signal with an action (open_click) and an uri
[14:26] <Cimi> tsdgeos, then we need to mock the model to react on this open_click / uri
[14:26] <tsdgeos> the first already happens, no?
[14:30] <Cimi> tsdgeos, not in the mocks
[14:31] <tsdgeos> Cimi: not in the mocks because there's no button
[14:31] <tsdgeos> what you need to do is make the mock model return some button
[14:31] <tsdgeos> and then preview will have a button
[14:31] <tsdgeos> and then it'll happen
[14:32] <tsdgeos> and call the triggered signal
[14:32] <Cimi> tsdgeos, but not with open_click
[14:33] <tsdgeos> Cimi: with whatever you set in your mock for it to do
[14:33] <tsdgeos> you don't even need it to be open_click
[14:33] <tsdgeos> you control the mock
[14:33] <tsdgeos> so it can be "givemethisrandomscope"
[14:33] <tsdgeos> and then from the mock if you get "givemethisrandomscope"
[14:33] <tsdgeos> you do the openScope/gotoScope
[14:34] <tsdgeos> no?
[14:34] <Cimi> tsdgeos, but somewhere I think the model calls givethisrandomscope
[14:35] <Cimi> tsdgeos, so I read click scope code, and it calls open_click [uri]
[14:36] <Cimi> tsdgeos, but in Preview.qml, to this onTriggered the model is called
[14:36] <Cimi> tsdgeos, then I lost the track and I don't know how magically we have the openScope signal
[14:36] <tsdgeos> ok, let me write it up somewhere
[14:37] <mterry> dednick, heyo!  You reviewed https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/greeter-profiles/+merge/237155 back in the day -- it's been revived (with less features) and I wondered if you would mind giving it another go?
[14:37] <tsdgeos> see if i can explain it well enough
[14:38] <mterry> dandrader_, mzanetti: I'm looking for someone to review my greeter refactor branch.  It's a big one.  Do either of you have time this week?
[14:38] <dandrader_> mterry, I would like to review it
[14:38] <mzanetti> works for me :)
[14:38] <mterry> dandrader_, awesome -- you actually had some comments in there before.  here's the link again: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/greeter-refactor/+merge/248829
[14:38] <dandrader_> mterry, I will get to it at some point this week
[14:39]  * dandrader_ claims the MP
[14:39] <mterry> dandrader_, thanks!  I've tested it myself of course, but there is the high potential for regressions.  So don't be gentle  :)
[14:40] <dandrader> I'm not know for my gentleness :)
[14:40] <dandrader> known
[14:40] <mterry> :)
[14:42] <Cimi> mterry, I noticed that you can see the infographics on the passcode screen
[14:42] <mterry> Cimi, in which branch?
[14:42] <Cimi> mterry, rtm?
[14:43] <mterry> Cimi, oh huh?  What do you mean by see it?  Like, it's sitting behind the pin entry screen?
[14:43] <Cimi> mterry, not the entire infographics, just a edge of the circles
[14:43] <Cimi> mterry, are passcode entry and the infographics horizontally on the same page?
[14:44] <Cimi> mterry, in the case of the phone?
[14:44] <Cimi> because tablet, yes
[14:44] <mterry> Cimi, no not on same widget
[14:46] <Cimi> mterry, well, in trunk you can see the inforgraphics circles go outside the screen
[14:47] <mterry> Cimi, oh!  I see, the circles are so big, they overlap edge of screen and so they peek out from edge on the passcode entry?
[14:48] <Cimi> mterry, yes http://i.imgur.com/X3TsyC9.jpg
[14:48] <mterry> Cimi, ah thanks -- looks like some piece needs the clip: true property
[14:49] <mterry> Cimi, will look at that today
[14:49] <Cimi> mterry, the locker for sure
[14:49] <Cimi> :)
[14:49] <tsdgeos> Cimi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10159405/ does that make sense?
[15:07] <mterry> Cimi, do you know if there's a bug for that overlap thing already?
[15:15] <Cimi> mterry, probably not
[15:20] <mterry> Cimi, i filed bug 1420336
[15:48] <dednick> mterry: sure. what was the reason behind the delay of it?
[15:49] <mterry> dednick, design issues -- which still aren't resolved, so I took out any actual user-visible changes for the moment, but left the backend work, ready to be used (and will be used for a different effort: the split greeter)
[15:55] <dednick> mterry: you dont seem to be testing the dynamic switching
[15:56] <mterry> dednick, no...  well I'm not using it right now so I figured I'd skip that test
[15:56] <dednick> mterry: heh. well that wont happen!
[15:56] <mterry> I can see an argument for including a version of the test anyway
[15:57] <mterry> dednick, what do you mean?
[15:57] <dednick> mterry: i mean that when we eventually do use it, there wont be a test added. it's just assumed to work since the functionality exists.
[15:58] <mterry> dednick, :)  I left a test with a skip() call at it's top for it.  But fair...
[15:58] <mterry> dednick, let me do a version of that test that forces the change
[15:58] <dednick> mterry: should be an easy one though. just merge two tests into one. testPluginInterfaceProfile1 & testPluginInterfaceProfile2
[15:58] <mterry> dednick, wait...  I think I added one like that?
[15:58] <mterry> let me look at branch again
[15:59] <mterry> dednick, test_shellProfileChangesReachIndicators ?
[15:59] <dednick> mterry: you added a test for the greeter changing the profile, but not the indicator manager.
[15:59] <mterry> dednick, that goes through the manager
[15:59] <mterry> dednick, greeter->manager->indicators
[16:00] <mterry> Or actually greeter->model->manager->indicators
[16:00] <dednick> mterry: hm. not exactly a unit test though
[16:01] <mterry> dednick, I can test a switch in tests/plugins/Unity/Indicators/indicatorsmanagertest.cpp
[16:01] <mterry> dednick, let me add one
[16:02] <dednick> mterry: thanks
[16:05] <mterry> dednick, done
[16:07] <dednick> mterry: thanks.
[16:11] <Saviq> mterry, there is a bug for the infographic bleed somewhere already... but for the life of me can't find it
[16:11] <mterry> huh
[18:27] <dandrader> mterry, taking a look at your greeter refactoring now
[18:28] <dandrader> mterry, just run "make tryGreeter". I get a black screen on the left side. clicking the "show greeter" button has no visible effect. Is that expected?
[18:57] <rubbie> anyone available here for my question ?
[19:00] <rubbie> Running Unity 7.2.2 on Ubuntu 14.04 "trusty" ; I want an icon on the desktop (NOT in the Launcher), and this for all users. This must be achieved with command-line instructions only (no GUI manipulations)
[19:02] <rubbie> hiya bschaefer
[19:02] <bschaefer> rubbie, hello
[19:03] <rubbie> I am trying to find a place with many people knowledgable about Unity tweakings
[19:03] <rubbie> Running Unity 7.2.2 on Ubuntu 14.04 "trusty" ; I want an icon on the desktop (NOT in the Launcher), and this for all users. This must be achieved with command-line instructions only (no GUI manipulations)
[19:04] <bschaefer> well each user has its own desktop
[19:04] <bschaefer> as far as i know
[19:05] <rubbie> yes, each user has his own $HOME/Desktop
[19:05] <rubbie> but there are of course also system-wide settings
[19:05] <rubbie> defaults
[19:05] <rubbie> such as the Launcher contents
[19:06] <bschaefer> the launcher stuff is all done based on /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
[19:06] <bschaefer> where it gets it icons and stuff
[19:06] <rubbie> so I need to find out how, just like what's configured as default applications in the Launcher, how I can force an icon to appear on each user's desktop background
[19:06] <rubbie> true, that's for the Launcher
[19:06] <bschaefer> that im not sure about, maybe Trevinho knows?
[19:07] <rubbie> How about getting an icon on the background of all users
[19:07] <bschaefer> that im not sure about either :(
[19:07] <bschaefer> rubbie, maybe this helps? http://askubuntu.com/questions/142159/desktop-shortcut-to-create-a-new-desktop-shortcut-doesnt-do-anything
[19:08] <bschaefer> though im not super sure sorry!
[19:12] <rubbie> thx bschaefer. The page at that URL describes how to place an application icon on one (not all) user's desktop via  mouse clicks ; altough that will work, I want it to be there per default for all users. So it needs to be set/forced in the system defaults, just like you do for the Launcher
[19:25] <rubbie> some new people joined this group, so please allow me to re-phrase my question of some minutes ago : Running Unity 7.2.2 on Ubuntu 14.04 "trusty" ; I want an icon on the desktop (NOT in the Launcher), and this for all users. This must be achieved with command-line instructions only to have effect for all users (no GUI manipulations per user)
[19:36] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie: I have a thought, but I don't know what restraints you may be under for this.  My thought is to use a script and get all directories under /home and then copy the file in question to /home/$(SOMEUSER)/Desktop, but this requires root to do this and also doesn't help if a new user is created.
[19:37] <ChrisTownsend> And the file's owner will need to be changed to match who owns the particular home directory, otherwise it would be owned by root.
[19:40] <rubbie> Chris, thx for responding. Indeed that's possible to do, my scripts manage the user creations and indeed could directly place the file in their $HOME/Desktop. However, since they own it, they could easily remove it as well.
[19:40] <rubbie> Is there a way to lock what's in their $HOME/Desktop ? If I turn down the permissions of that directory and chown it to "root", won't that break anything ?
[19:42] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie: If you change the ownership to root, then the user might not be able to access what is on the desktop.  I think you would need to play around with that to see how it would act.  But ~/Desktop is only there to put things on the desktop, so it shouldn't break anything else.
[19:42] <rubbie> I wouldn't expect this way of working to break anything : the user I currently use, does not have a $HOME/Desktop
[19:42] <rubbie> ok, let's give it a try
[19:43] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie: Hmm, I thought it was there by default, but it may be created once something is placed in it.  But anyways, that should work by creating ~/Desktop.  Good luck!
[19:44] <rubbie> noop : I create the $HOME/Desktop directory as root in the home-dir of a ordinary user ; but that user seemingly can simply 'rmdir' it again from his $HOME
[19:45] <rubbie> ok, gotcha : of course, the 'rmdir' is not possible anymore if there is a file in the directory
[19:45] <rubbie> "Directory not empty"
[19:46] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie: Hmm, maybe make the permission of ~/Desktop something like 755 and owned by root.root.
[19:46] <rubbie> yep, did that.
[19:47] <rubbie> ok, I copied "/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop" into this user's $HOME/Desktop
[19:47] <rubbie> It doesn't appear on its own on my currently opened desktop, so likely is only picked up during login
[19:48] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie: Yeah, I think it's read a login if created from "underneath", ie, not the GUI.
[19:48] <rubbie> or can I 're-init' my currently active window-manager so that it re-reads anything under the user's $HOME ?
[19:49] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie: You might try "setsid unity", but it will basically reset your Unity session.
[19:50] <rubbie> will try that now ; if I get disconnected, please bare with me for a minute, I will popup again ;-)
[19:50] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie: Sure, I'll be here:)
[19:50] <rubbie> ok, still there ; lots of flickering on the screen, but no new firefox icon on my desktop
[19:51] <rubbie> ok, will go through a logout/login to see if that works
[19:51] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie: Ok, I'm not sreally sure when that gets read.
[19:52] <rubbie_> back
[19:52] <rubbie_> did logout / login, but still no firefox icon on the desktop :-(
[19:52] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie:  Strange.  I wonder if it's due to the permissions.
[19:53] <rubbie_> hmm ... didn't I read somewhere that a file in $HOME/Desktop requires execute permissions in order to show up ?
[19:54] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie_: Maybe.  This is a little out of my domain.  But try it and see.
[19:54] <rubbie_> ok, added execute permissions (755 now)
[19:55] <rubbie_> the 'setsid unity' didn't do it, trying logout/login again
[19:55] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie_: Yeah, the folder definitely needs world execute permissions if owned by root.
[19:56] <rubbie> back
[19:56] <rubbie> still no icon on the desktop :-(
[19:58] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie: Well, not sure.  On my Trusty system, my files/icons are in ~/Desktop with the folder being owned by my user and the permissions set to 755.  Not sure what happens if owned by root.
[19:58] <rubbie> what's especially frustrating, is that there is little or no documentation about how to configure things via CLI and not via GUI
[19:59] <rubbie> Chris, ok, will try that indeed; let's start with having all owned by the user itself, if that doesn't work then there is something else misconfigured
[19:59] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie: As another data point, if I just copy a file into ~/Desktop, then it shows up immediately.
[20:00] <rubbie> both $HOME/Desktop and the file "firefox.desktop" inside it, are now owned by the user (and group) itself
[20:01] <rubbie> nothing appears by itself on my desktop
[20:01] <rubbie> will do logout/login once more ...
[20:02] <rubbie_> noop, still no icon
[20:02] <rubbie_> is there any logfile that gets populated with messages from my session startup ?
[20:02] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie_: Dang, it must be some other configuration mucking with this.
[20:02] <rubbie_> hopefully it contains meaningfull reasons about that desktop icon
[20:03] <rubbie_> gotcha !
[20:03] <rubbie_> I work in a language different from English ...
[20:04] <rubbie_> so $HOME/Desktop is not named like that (English name) , but exists under another name (= 'Desktop' translated in my own language)
[20:04] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie_: Yeah, there are 3 possible files to look in: ~/.cache/upstart/{gnome-session.log | gnome-session-Unity.log | unity7.log}
[20:04] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie_: Ah, I see.
[20:04] <rubbie_> I moved the "$HOME/Desktop/firefox.desktop" in that one, and poof it appears on my screen
[20:05] <rubbie_> Chris, thx a lot for that info about the logfiles, will tatoe it immediately !
[20:05] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie_: Cool.  So it seems you can try to fiddle with permissions and try to get it to work the way you want it.  Best of luck!
[20:11] <rubbie> Chris , if you're still there : might be usefull to inform you that the file under $HOME/Desktop indeed needs execute permissions
[20:11] <rubbie> If not, then an icon appears, but with some letters in it, not the well-know firefox icon ; as soon as I add the execute permissions, the icon changes to the correct firefox icon
[20:13] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie: Ok, good to know.
[20:14] <rubbie> furthermore, all still works as expected if the ownership of the $HOME/Desktop (and contents) is 'root'
[20:14] <rubbie> so: goal achieved !
[20:16] <ChrisTownsend> rubbie: Great!


 gedit does not have a refresh button either
[17:28] <bazhang> so run firefox as root
[17:28] <bazhang> @random doh HURD
[18:26] <rww> ubottu: away > roachmmflhyr
 the issue started when i downloaded libness3 .deb
[19:42] <bazhang> and installed manually
 What is the internet?
[21:14] <bazhang> ubuxubu/balsaq seems to be making the rounds
[21:14] <bazhang> first #u now #x
[22:11] <valorie> lovely, in #kubuntu: * RedDeath is AFK, Entertaining some Hookers —I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n—
[22:12] <k1l_> i just kicked him for that in #u
[22:12] <bazhang> he /amsg'd that , in #x and network wide as well
[22:13] <valorie> icky
[22:13] <bazhang> very
[22:13] <valorie> do me a favor and do likewise in #kubuntu?
[22:13] <bazhang> you saw the btracker for ubuxubu balsaq
[22:13] <valorie> he joined long before me so I don't have a isp, etc.
[22:14] <k1l_> /whois RedDeath
[22:14] <bazhang> * [RedDeath] (RedDeath@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-iqpwlsnfejkjmvaw):
[22:16] <valorie> yeah, that's all I could get


[00:33] <waqe> ?-:
[00:43] <xieyi> I just upgraded to kubuntu 12.10. I meet some problems. One is the kopete can't login gtalk now. kopete used to login gtalk properly before upgrade.
[00:44] <xieyi> The second one is that the glx module of  integrated graphic card can't load properly
[00:51] <xieyi> The last is muon. It can't show the available updates when there actually has some.
[00:54] <LogicallyDashing> I have KCalendar set up viewing and editing an iCalendar file that's getting changed by an external program every now and again. This is working fine, but I get a desktop notification every time something other than KCalendar changes that file, and I don't want that. This notification doesn't seem to appear in the notification configurator in the system settings. How do I turn it off?
[01:36] <contrast> Greets, everyone. Anyone here using the Window Menubar widget since upgrading to KDE 4.9.1 or 4.9.2? It's been giving me *constant* crashes (tried on a clean profile, problem persists).
[03:00] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[04:29] <bjrohan> Hey there. I have 12.10 installed with 4 virtual desktops. How do I change my default desktop?
[07:31] <andres_> hi, I need some help regarding user permissions... can any1 help me please?
[07:32] <andres_> I want to grant permissions to read/write to a user to ONLY A SUBTREE of an externally mounted drive, mounted in /mnt/Iomega
[07:33] <tsimpson> andres_: what's the problem you're having, or do you just not know how?
[07:33] <andres_> the problem is that the mount command
[07:33] <andres_> mounts the drive with the same permissions for all the partition
[07:33] <andres_> and I want the user to have access to only part of the partition
[07:33] <tsimpson> what file system does the drive have?
[07:34] <andres_> NTFS
[07:34] <andres_> /dev/sdb1<PHONE_NUMBER>67<PHONE_NUMBER>    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[07:34] <andres_> so when it is already mounted I cannot chmod or chown any subfolders
[07:35] <andres_> and I don't have enough space to copy it to my local drive
[07:35] <andres_> and I can't trust this person... I can't let him have permission over all the drive
[07:37] <tsimpson> you need some special trickery to map NTFS permission and UNIX permissions
[07:38] <tsimpson> andres_: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-manual/#7 gives some information on it
[07:38] <andres_> thank you tsimpson
[07:38] <andres_> I will have a look
[07:39] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:39] <andres_> I though the system would handle that transparently
[07:39] <andres_> when I used chmod and chown
[07:40] <tsimpson> the access rights information in the NTFS file system is not really compatible with normal UNIX style permissions, that's why you need to generate some mapping for the system to use
[07:45] <andres_> tsimpson than you for pointing me in the right direction :) really appreciate that :D
[11:00]  * scorpking waves..
[11:14] <CQ> hello, is kubuntu active just another desktop that I can install in parallel to plasma?
[11:14] <CQ> I have a tablet and want to take notes, annotate slides etc. with it
[11:28] <arian_> hello
[11:28] <arian_> is here any body?
[11:46] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[11:48] <Guest37094> hello everybody I want to use cron on my kubutnu what i can to do ? ( installed kcron but added nothing,, I want to use cron for opening a bash file at one time for update my system)
[11:49] <Peace-> Guest37094: mm
 ???
[11:50] <Peace-> Guest37094: kcron ?
[11:51] <Guest37094> I installed that , but it added nothing to my softwares . (no found software on kickoff)
[11:51] <Peace-> Guest37094: did you rebooted ?
[11:51] <Peace-> Guest37094: or have your runned  kbuildsycoca4  #aka refresh stuff for the user just installed
[11:52] <Peace-> Guest37094: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/10/05/plasma-desktopgj1936.png i have just installed
[11:53] <Peace-> Guest37094: sudo apt-get install   kcron kde-config-cron
[11:54] <Peace-> Guest37094: you need to go on systemsettings btw
[11:54] <BluesKaj> oh quantal has 129 upgrades here
[11:54] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :)
[11:54] <BluesKaj> oops wrong chat
[12:01] <MySystem> hello is there a konsole way to change audiostream volume because in some games there isnt a way to go back to desktop to open kmix without crashing or ending the game and if i end there is no stream listed
[12:02] <MySystem> and changing master via some remote way or asamixer isnt a solution because this affects the other streams to
[12:04] <datruth> I'm running Kubuntu 12.04 and I am having issues controlling the brightness of my screen it my hotkeys seem to work during boot (grub) and shutdown window but after Kubuntu loads I can no longer control the brightness can someone help with this?
[12:45] <koftes> hi
[12:48] <koftes> Question: How can I access the boot options when I'm booting with a Kubuntu Live USB/start-up disk?
[12:48] <koftes> Kubuntu 12.04
[12:49] <LogicallyDashing> koftes: normally you just whack any key while the logo is showing
[12:49] <LogicallyDashing> koftes: i mean the logo that looks like a keyboard, not the kubuntu logo
[12:52] <koftes> Trying now
[12:55] <koftes> OK, Live usb doesn't even work now :(
[12:56] <juanito> np
[12:56] <koftes> Need to reboot, will be back in a bit
[12:59] <juanito> kubuntu its not mantained by ubuntu anymore, so i think this is not an official ubuntu irc channel ...
[12:59] <juanito> obviously
[13:00] <Pici> juanito: its not maintained by Canonical, its still an offical support channel though.
[13:00] <juanito> ok
[13:05] <BluesKaj> kubuntu is maintained by blue systems , juanito , http://blue-systems.com/
[13:48] <backtothetoast> huh
[14:13] <felix___> HOLA
[14:13] <felix___> ALGUIEN HABLA ESPAÑOL
[14:14] <felix___> PERDON ESCRIBE ESPAÑOL
[14:14] <felix___> HOLA
[14:15] <tsimpson> !es | felix___
[14:25] <Guest31728> Hello does anybody know how enable wmp plugin in firefox? thank you
[15:37] <backjlack> I've had this problem with Kubuntu not saving my screen options for a really long time. What has to be done for it to save the chosen screen resolution?
[15:38] <rockprincess> hi everyone, i have a question. maybe someone can help me? i have recently installed byobu manually by compiling it, somehow it didn't quite work for me, so i ran unmake.....so i then decided to install it over the repos, and now when I type "byobu" I get the following message: /usr/bin/byobu: 50: .: Can't open /home/theresa/byobu/lib/byobu/include/common
[15:38] <rockprincess> seems like a wrapper script or so, is this bogus....any idea how I could fix this?
[16:31] <enelya> hi
[16:31] <dreambox> Hi, I installed Ubuntu server x64 and then... Kubuntu package on top. I wish to move away from KDE and go to Gnome3 or Unity, what should I do to keep the system as clean as possible from stuff?  (while not losing my Nvidia drivers and so on..)
[16:38] <Guest13864> Greetings
[16:38] <rork> !puregnome3
[16:38] <rork> !puregnome
[16:38] <rork> dreambox: ^
[16:38] <rork> hi Guest13864
[16:39] <Guest13864> I am new too kubuntu... would like to know where I can find free screensavers
[16:39] <Guest13864> hi rork!
[16:43] <rork> `Pakrat: you can find additional screensavers in the kscreensaver package (`sudo apt-get install kscreensaver` or look for it in another packagemanager)
[16:44] <rork> `Pakrat: you can also find a lot of KDE goodies like screensavers, wallpapers and themes on kde-look: http://kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=30
[16:44] <`Pakrat> thanks trying it now
[16:54] <natman> whats the release date for Kubuntu 12.10? how is it shaping up compared to 12.04?
[16:55] <bazhang> !12.10 | natman
[16:55] <natman> sorry thanks
[16:55] <`Pakrat> Rork, the more I play with this, the more I LOVE it...Windows seven will be the last copy of windows I own!
[16:56] <`Pakrat> God bless you sir!!
[17:00] <dougl> anyone home? Just upgraded my internet speed wanted someone to help me get my mind around it...
[17:19] <neo> hi
[17:19] <dougl> hi
[17:20] <Guest23354> some here who can help me?
[17:20] <dougl> I can try...
[17:20] <Guest23354> from?
[17:20] <dougl> from?
[17:20] <dougl> ?
[17:21] <Guest23354> *where are you from?
[17:21] <bazhang> Guest23354, kubuntu support question?
[17:21] <dougl> Canada...
[17:21] <dougl> Winnipeg...
[17:21] <Guest23354> ah
[17:21] <dougl> you are concerned with where your hlep comes from - lol?
[17:21] <spexi> :D
[17:21] <Guest23354> yes bazhang support question
[17:21] <bazhang> then ask it
[17:21] <Guest23354> xD
[17:21] <dougl> never heard of it before = explain?
[17:22] <Guest23354> i want to  install some flash player... i cant do it, and i dont know why... any ideas?
[17:22] <bazhang> !flash > Guest23354
[17:22] <dougl> you did not try hard enuff... what did you try?
[17:23] <datruth> Guest23354: you should try telling us how your installing it and what type of flash package your trying to install.
[17:23] <dougl> !flash > dougl
[17:23] <datruth> Guest23354: I wasn't here when you asked your question what is your issue?
[17:24] <Guest23354> i download adope flash player (
[17:24] <dougl> datruth, they are having issues trying to install flash
[17:25] <datruth> Guest23354: how did you try and install?
[17:27] <Guest23354> i try to installed adope (version <IP_ADDRESS>) and the reaktion is apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=$distro-partner
[17:29] <datruth> Guest23354: apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:30] <bazhang> datruth, kubuntu-restricted-extras I think you mean
[17:31] <datruth> yes
[17:31] <datruth> sorry
[17:32] <datruth> Guest23354: well is that working?
[17:32] <Guest23354> no -.-'
[17:32] <datruth> Guest23354: what error did you get?
[17:34] <r0lly> sry i was afk
[17:34] <r0lly> so...
[17:35] <r0lly> unkonw log
[17:50] <dougl> how come when I open pages/sites from xchat/kmail (and others) rekonq is the browser it uses - how do I make it so firefox is used?
[17:51] <rork> dougl: System Settings > Default Applications > Web Browser
[17:53] <dougl> rork, thanks
[17:57] <rork> you're welcome, in KDE many things can be set and usually they are found in the System Settings somewhere, having a look around might be rewarding
[18:53] <phoenix_firebrd> !easteregg
[18:54] <phoenix_firebrd> !candy
[18:55] <tsimpson> please play with the bot in /msg rather than here
[18:55] <phoenix_firebrd> last one?
[18:55] <phoenix_firebrd> !chocolate
[18:55] <tsimpson> last warning
[18:56] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: moderator?
[18:56] <tsimpson> I happen to be, yes. though you should always listen to the users in the channel
[18:56] <DarthFrog> !coc | phoenix_firebrd
[18:57] <phoenix_firebrd> DarthFrog: Ya i know, I have signed the COC
[18:57] <DarthFrog> phoenix_firebrd: That's good to know.  It's better to follow it. :-)
[18:57] <phoenix_firebrd> DarthFrog: Just for fun :)
[18:58] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: Pizza?
[18:58] <DarthFrog> phoenix_firebrd:  Feel free to "/msg ubottu !pizza"  all you want.
[18:58] <tsimpson> phoenix_firebrd: what?
[18:59] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: I guess you will echo for that query :D
[18:59] <DarthFrog> phoenix_firebrd:  Fill your boots in private chat with the bot.  but not in the open channel, please.
[18:59] <phoenix_firebrd> DarthFrog: sure sure, dont mistake me
[19:01] <phoenix_firebrd> DarthFrog: Instead of title of the channel we should put some doodles , what do you think?
[19:25] <maustrix> ciao
[19:25] <maustrix> !list
[19:25] <phoenix_firebrd> Any one using nvidia binary proprietary driver, could you paste the framebuffers that are blacklisted in modeproble.d. I am using the driver i downloaded from the nvidia website and on a cold boot system hangs after grub
[19:26] <phoenix_firebrd> probably after starting to lod the nvidia driver
[19:27] <phoenix_firebrd> after restarting the system, system boot without problem.
[19:27] <phoenix_firebrd> I have modified the list of blacklisted framebuffer drivers manually
[19:28] <SIR_Taco_> http://paste.kde.org/563084/   is the contents of blacklist-framebuffer.conf (12.10 version anyway)
[19:29] <phoenix_firebrd> SIR_Taco_: ya 12.10 mine too
[21:17] <phoenix_firebrd> SIR_Taco: I got my problem fixed, Thank you, have a great day
[21:30] <neweruser123> need halp
[21:30] <neweruser123> hi nee halp
[21:30] <neweruser123> wel teh som boady halp meh
[21:53] <BarkingFish> evening all. wonder if someone could give me a quick hand please - I am trying to run an apt-get upgrade (after reinstalling down to 11.10 yesterday when I changed PCs)  - i have a problem though.  The apt-get upgrade command tells me that 44 packages have been "kept back" - and I want to know why.
[21:53] <BarkingFish> How do I find out?
[21:53] <dfgdfgfgdf> I need help with kubuntu
[21:54] <dfgdfgfgdf> i tried to uninstall LAMP but it ended up demoving all my vital kde desktop packages, now I cant login.
[21:54] <dfgdfgfgdf> and my home folder is encrypted.
[21:54] <dfgdfgfgdf> so i cant get in to repair it!
[21:55] <dfgdfgfgdf> can I turn the encryption off somewhow? without a gui?
[21:55] <BarkingFish> not that I'm aware of, dfgdfgfgdf.
[21:55] <BarkingFish> !encryption
[21:55] <dfgdfgfgdf> hmm.
[21:56] <BarkingFish> there you go - try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering_Your_Data_Manually
[21:56] <BarkingFish> it may work on your home directory too
[21:56] <dfgdfgfgdf> thanks
[21:57] <BarkingFish> I stress *may* work - I haven't worked with encrypted directories in a long time, so past weblinks, I can't really tell you too much :/
[21:59] <BarkingFish> meanwhile, anyone got a clue about my little problem above please?  44 packages kept back in apt-get upgrade, don't know how to find out why, or fix it.
[22:02] <dfgdfgfgdf> wow, rconq is such a piece of..
[22:03] <dfgdfgfgdf> there is nothing right about it.
[22:03] <BarkingFish> yup, tell me about it :)  This is why I don't use it.  Download firefox :P
[22:09] <dfgdfgfgdf> okay, I thinkI'd rather just re-install kubuntu desktop, tomorrow.
[22:09] <dfgdfgfgdf> or xfce if I have to.
[22:17] <dfgdfgfgdf> is there anyway of installing xfce from a live dvd to another linux installatioon on a usb stick?


 O_0
[00:38] <cdoublejj> 2.1*
[00:39] <phiscribe> 13.04 is probably diff
[00:40] <phiscribe> and i probably have a different view about bleeding edge than you do.  i think the rapid development is killing linux
[00:40] <phiscribe> in the os anyway.  different story for apps
[00:41] <cdoublejj> 13.04!!!!???
[00:42] <phiscribe> 13.04 is raring ringtail its in beta
[00:42] <cdoublejj> i supposes as long as i can upgrade it witho ut having to update grub or mess up my triple booth
[00:42] <cdoublejj> whats is it supposed to bring and does it use more ram that 12.10 or 12.04?
[00:43] <phiscribe> not sure.  and do you mean use or require more ram.  sometimes performance is better the more ram an os uses.
[00:43] <cdoublejj> usage
[00:43] <cdoublejj> usualy it idles at 100 ish mb when doing nothing
[00:44] <phiscribe> if you could load every doc mp3 vid and game into ram then it would all be available, be great for performance.  so how much ram a system uses at idle doesnt say much about whats happening
[00:44] <phiscribe> but i think they are fixing some memoy leaks which are always bad
[00:45] <phiscribe> they say lightdm has dropped to under 1mb of mem from 26mb
[00:45] <phiscribe> and they have moved some process to exit on idle
[00:47] <deluge> did anyone experience a netsplit ?
[00:48] <phiscribe> just then?  didnt see a netsplit
[00:48] <deluge> about 10 mins ago
[00:49] <phiscribe> i have all my join parts disabled
[00:49] <deluge> o
[00:50] <phiscribe> might be why i didnt see anything lol (forgot i had them off)
[01:04] <Unit193> deluge: Yes, pretty normal.  You were on the split side.
[01:04] <deluge> oh ok ty
[01:48] <cdoublejj> " lightdm" ???
[01:50] <Unit193> What about it?
[01:52] <cdoublejj> what the heck is it?
[01:54] <cdoublejj> i though lubuntu was LXDE
[01:56] <phiscribe> you asked about the ubuntu's
[01:57] <phiscribe> not all of 13.04 will apply to lubuntu
[01:57] <cdoublejj> aaahhh okay
[02:00] <Unit193> cdoublejj: It's the desktop manager, but Lubuntu does use LXDE.
[02:00] <Unit193> !lightdm
[02:00] <Unit193> ubottu: fail
[05:05] <Dii_Pundiih> Hi. I have booted in to a two x screen setup and x starts alright but no desktop or panel loads... When i try to start with compiz --replace or lxpanel it says that: Cannot find display..? what would be sensible to do now?
[10:47] <cdoublejj> 2 mil, http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/torment-tides-of-numenera
[10:54] <tobiasBora> Hello!
[10:55] <Silverlion> bon jour tobiasBora
[10:56] <tobiasBora> Silverlion: is it a french channel ?
[10:56] <Silverlion> tobiasBora: not at all ^^ i just saw that you logged in from a french host
[10:57] <tobiasBora> I would like just say that in the lubuntu installer, there is a strange behaviour when we choose the configuration : the "french" keyboard is in the section "belge", and in french it is the qwerty keyboard which is given (French Canada), and it's a bit... strange ^^
[10:58] <tobiasBora> Silverlion: oh right ^^ So your speak a bit french ?
[11:05] <Silverlion> tobiasBora: not much ^^
[11:06] <tobiasBora> ok :-P
[11:08] <Silverlion> tobiasBora: you might want to send an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>about the bug you found
[11:15] <tobiasBora> Silverlion: Thanks I'll do it
[11:19] <tobiasBora> Silverlion: do I must to subscribe or I can just send the email ?
[11:19] <Silverlion> don't know exactly but as i am using lubuntu as well it's always handy to have the mailing list available
[11:28] <tobiasBora> Silverlion: oh in fact I wonder if the problem doesn't come from a refresh problem...
[11:29] <Silverlion> pAt_: maybe you can help out?
[11:29] <Unit193> Silverlion: Not exactly nice to randomly ping people that join (and also don't know the context)
[11:30] <Unit193> tobiasBora: What version of Lubuntu?
[11:31] <tobiasBora> Unit193: The last one 12.10. But I think it's only because my brother went on "French canada" and after came back in "french", but the display didn't refreh
[11:31] <tobiasBora> *refresh
[11:33] <Silverlion> Unit193: i was going to give him the context on respond
[11:36] <tobiasBora> I've a little question : why by default is chromium installed ? Is it for ideology or for performances ?
[11:49] <tobiasBora> Yes it was indeed a display problem, I tried again and it don't cause any trouble. Thanks !
[13:35] <tobiasBora> I tried to install lubuntu but the installation ended with a black screen, so after 30mn I decided to reboot and try : I've an error with "GRUB : error 2". Do you know if I can repair grub or if It's better to do an other installation ?
[13:39] <Silverlion> tobiasBora: it is not unusual that lubuntu installation takes more then one hour
[13:39] <Silverlion> that happens when the installation tries to download all updates during the installation.
[13:40] <Silverlion> if you run the installation again with the point "install updates during the installation" disabled then it might work but still need more then 30 mins
[13:41] <tobiasBora> Silverlion: yes I've unselected it after, but the black screen (with only the mouse visible) is during the package download ?
[13:42] <Silverlion> in that case i have no solution but during the installation process i have had several black screens
[13:46] <tobiasBora> Silverlion: ok tanks. I'll try again and I'll tell you if it works !
[13:47] <Unit193> You may want to check the md5sum or "Check CD for defects", that's not exactly normal.  You can also try to repair.
[13:47] <Unit193> !grub
[13:50] <tobiasBora> I've again a black screen with only the "wait mouse". I'll wait for one hour and if it doesn't works, I'll try to reboot and repair grub with bootrepair. Thanks for the links Unit193
[13:55] <tobiasBora> And we cannot use a non graphic installation with the classic iso file ?
[16:56] <reddos> qui si parla it
[16:57] <reddos> sapete dirmi il link dove ce il supporto in lingua it per lubuntu grazie
[17:05] <phillw> reddos: ItalianSito/Documentazione/Forum: ubuntu-it.org   IRC: #ubuntu-it on irc.freenode.net per il Supporto in Italiano.   Mailing list: Lista ubuntu-it
[17:06] <reddos> ok grazie
[17:16] <redtape-renegade> Can I get conky running on Lubuntu ?
[17:47] <phillw> redtape-renegade: I believe it has been done, but does pull in a lot of extra stuff.
[18:00] <phillw> redtape-renegade: I've just looked up the link, someone has posted that it no longer works. If you ask on the mailing list, I'll ask Jackson next tinme he's on (Australian time) if he has found a new link.
[18:18] <cerebrate> lxle
[18:18] <cerebrate> is lxle here
[18:19] <cerebrate> we could see if his style of lubuntu supports conky
[18:19]  * wxl jumps in the middle
[18:19] <wxl> i'm pretty sure there are others who have used conky with lubuntu
[18:28] <inductiveload> i have
[18:29] <inductiveload> it worked, but i had to use some wmctrl trickery to pin it down on the desktop, but prevent the minimise all windows button minimising it
[18:30] <inductiveload> but it used a lot of resources doing all the kewl stuff it had to do to justify its existence
[18:30] <inductiveload> so i scrapped it
[22:59] <Kris_away> I'm working  on a program that depends on wayland and I'm curious, will lxde be going wayland like a lot of guys or holding back and waiting for mir?
[23:09] <redtape-renegade> prob.ly mir .. but I'm a toad so don't ask me. rebbit.
[23:23] <phillw> Kris_away: redtape-renegade lubuntu will decide it self what it will use in the future, we do not use Unity nor are we required to use any other part.
[23:37] <phillw> Kris_away: let me tell you one thing? Lubuntu 13.04 is now commited, we as with all flavours, are under feature freeze so that no major alterations can be made. Once 13.04 is released, lubuntu will re open for discussions as to what happens in the future (13.10)
[23:45] <jirido> Hi. i'v screwed up my font settings fiddling with dual view's and so on and now to get things right i wonder what the right dpi settings are..? both the ones in xorg.conf and the ones set with xrandr.. Thanks
[23:57] <jirido> no answer needed :)


[02:25] <klj1218> can only an admin user compose a new machine within a pod?
[02:27] <klj1218> I'm running 2.3.0 and just created a Virsh (KVM) Pod, I was hoping that I would be able to let non-admin users compose machines... but it looks like only admin users are allowed... does this sounds accurate?
[12:15] <mup> Bug #1746980 opened: storage /disk not showing  node change status commising to testing <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1746980>
[12:22] <mup> Bug #1746980 changed: storage /disk not showing  node change status commising to testing <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1746980>
[12:28] <mup> Bug #1746980 opened: storage /disk not showing  node change status commising to testing <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1746980>
[15:31] <mup> Bug #1678362 opened: Support ZFS root and/or ZFS only installs <curtin:In Progress by raharper> <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1678362>
[16:34] <ejat> hi ..
[16:35] <ejat> i use openstack-telemetry charms .. 2 services got problem (mongodb & neutron-gateway)  .. juju status output : http://paste.ubuntu.com/26506527/
[16:36] <ejat> mongodb log output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26506520/
[16:36] <ejat> neutron-gateway: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26506512/
[16:39] <roaksoax> ejat: maybe #ubuntu-server is the best place for openstack issues ?
[16:42] <ejat> ok noted roaksoax .. sorry
[17:04] <klj1218> I asked earlier and didn't see a response, so I'll try again
[17:05] <klj1218> can only an admin user compose a new machine within a pod?
[17:05] <klj1218> I'm running 2.3.0 and just created a Virsh (KVM) Pod, I was hoping that I would be able to let non-admin users compose machines... but it looks like only admin users are allowed... does this sounds accurate?
[20:11] <rora> Where's the TFTP root dir?
[20:14] <rora> /var/lib/maas/boot-resources/current?
[20:47] <roaksoax> rora: there's no tftproot dir
[20:47] <roaksoax> klj1218: uhmmm let me investigate
[20:48] <roaksoax> rora: well, there is and there's not
[20:48] <roaksoax> rora: the config is provided dynamically
[20:48] <klj1218> roaksoax : thanks
[20:50] <roaksoax> klj1218: ha! just saw your email too
[20:51] <klj1218> roaksoax: :-)
[21:06] <roaksoax> klj1218: ok, are you doing this via the UI?, or API ?
[21:06] <klj1218> UI ... just tested with admin user via cli, was going to test non-admin user via cli
[21:07] <roaksoax> klj1218: so a normal user cannot *compose*
[21:07] <roaksoax> klj1218: but it *can* allocate
[21:07] <roaksoax> klj1218: composition doesn't mean ownership
[21:07] <klj1218> roaksoax: ok, from UI or CLI
[21:07] <roaksoax> but allocation does
[21:07] <roaksoax> klj1218: cli
[21:08] <roaksoax> e.g. maas normal machines allocate cpu_count=4 mem=4096
[21:08] <roaksoax> that would work
[21:09] <roaksoax> maas normal pod compose <pod_id> <....> # this won't work
[21:09] <roaksoax> so, it seems the reason we did that is because "compose" (manual composition) doens't imply ownership, where as 'allocation' does
[21:10] <mup> Bug #1747080 opened: commissioning fails during 00-maas-01-lshw <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1747080>
[21:12] <roaksoax> klj1218: but it seems that the problme with that, is that here';s no UI compatible way to do so
[21:12] <klj1218> roaksoax: but you cant allocate from a POD using the CLI correct?
[21:12] <roaksoax> klj1218: yes you can
[21:14] <klj1218> roaksoax: ok, going to search for the CLI reference for that now
[21:14] <roaksoax> klj1218: maas test machines allocate pod=pure-goat cpu_count=X mem=Y
[21:15] <roaksoax> klj1218: maas test machines allocate pod=pure-goat cpu_count=X mem=Y # this would work
[21:15] <roaksoax> klj1218: maas test pod compose <pod_id> # this wont work
[21:17] <klj1218> roaksoax: ok, yeah that will just allocate on the the already created machines
[21:18] <klj1218> roaksoax: so i still have to first "compose" the machines, then I can turn it over to a non-admin user to allocate/deploy
[21:18] <roaksoax> klj1218: not necessarily
[21:18] <roaksoax> klj1218:  maas test machines allocate pod_type=kvm
[21:19] <klj1218> roaksoax: I just did this: maas klj machines allocate pod=dev01 cpu_count=4 mem=16384
[21:19] <roaksoax> err
[21:19] <klj1218> roaksoax: this allocated one of the systems that I had already composed from the Pod
[21:20] <klj1218> roaksoax: it didn't create a new machine and allocate it to the klj non-admin user
[21:20] <roaksoax> klj1218: that's correct 'allocation' will always first look for what you currently have depending on the constraints that you pass
[21:20] <roaksoax> if you don't find anything, it will atomatically compose a machine
[21:22] <klj1218> roaksoax: ok, yup I just tried to allocate a machine with 8 vpus and it did indeed create a new machine
[21:26] <roaksoax> klj1218: ok, that said, is there any specific requirement that would want you to have this via the UI ?
[21:27] <klj1218> roaksoax: I'm just trying to turn over ownership of a Pod to some users who don't have admin rights... I don't really want to give them admin rights, so if I only stick to the UI that means I have to pre-compose the machines before they can allocate/deploy them
[21:28] <klj1218> roaksoax: but with the CLI, I can now just turn over the Pod to them and they can allocate from it
[21:28] <roaksoax> klj1218: ok, great, you are unblocked then
[21:28] <klj1218> roaksoax: for the users I'm working with the CLI should be fine
[21:28] <roaksoax> i'll chat internally to see if we should allow "composing" more specifically though
[21:28] <klj1218> roaksoax: yes, I can move forward with this
[21:29] <klj1218> roaksoax: or at lest show the "allocate" action for non-admin users on the Pod screen
[21:29] <klj1218> roaksoax: currently for non-admin users there isn't any "take action" drop down list
[21:29] <roaksoax> yeah
[21:29] <klj1218> roaksoax: thanks for the help
[21:30] <roaksoax> no worries, glad I could help.
[21:40] <mup> Bug #1747084 opened: [2.3, UI, pod] No way to 'allocate' a from a pod via UI for normal users <pod> <pods> <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.3:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1747084>


[12:46] <SiDi> hm, the alpha2 page's title in ubuntu.com is called "Karmic Koila"
[12:59] <thorwil> i just read the introduction on https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/. in contains user-friendly. it also contains many words that are rather ... interesting in that context :)
[12:59] <thorwil> SiDi, see, that's why there are alphas. to get the spelling errors out and such ...
[13:00] <SiDi> thorwil: :D
[13:16] <SiDi> newz2000: ping


[16:36] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> hi :)
[16:36]  * sbeattie waves
[16:37] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[16:37] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jun 16 16:37:39 2014 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:37] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:37] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:37] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:37] <jdstrand> Kent Baxley (kentb) provided patches for openwsman for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (LP: #1319098). Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job!
[16:38] <jdstrand> that was not the right bug number
[16:39] <jdstrand> bug #1319089
[16:39] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:39] <jdstrand> I;ll go first
[16:39] <jdstrand> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:39] <jdstrand> I am working on openstack security updates today
[16:39] <jdstrand> I am also patch piloting
[16:40] <jdstrand> I didn't get to finishing the ofono profile set cause it is blocked on the apparmor upstart job, but that should all be resolved this week
[16:40] <sbeattie> \o/
[16:40] <jdstrand> I still have a few things to deal with from the sprint
[16:40] <jdstrand> and then other june work items (ff is 6/26)
[16:41] <jdstrand> that's it from me. marc, ty and jj are all off today
[16:41] <jdstrand> sbeattie: you're up
[16:41] <sbeattie> I'm focusing on gcc stuff again this week.
[16:41] <jdstrand> where are you on that?
[16:42] <sbeattie> I'm still digging in to why the pie stuff isn't getting set properly for some gcc testcases, as well as doing testbuilds of other packages to ensure things are working.
[16:42] <jdstrand> what do you expect the eta of that to be?
[16:42] <sbeattie> This week
[16:43] <jdstrand> this is the PIE/amd64 stuff, right?
[16:43] <sbeattie> (end of, anyway)
[16:43] <sbeattie> YEs, PIE by default of amd64
[16:43] <sbeattie> s/of/on/
[16:43] <jdstrand> cool
[16:43] <sbeattie> For apparmor stuff, I have a couple of patches to review, and a patch or two of my own to push.
[16:44] <sbeattie> That's pretty much it for me. sarnold?
[16:44] <sarnold> I'm on community this week
[16:44] <sarnold> since marc is gone today I'll make a quick pass through triage
[16:45] <sarnold> I'm returning to working on the mod_wsgi work for qrt's django tests; it's a month cold at this point, but I'm afraid how much of it will be re-learning what I knew, but I built new vms last week so hopefully they're not busted yet :)
[16:46] <sarnold> I'm also hoping for some apparmor patches to review :) I'd like som edistractions from mod_wsgi fiddling :)
[16:46] <sarnold> oh yes, filing insurance claim for malta fun.
[16:46] <sarnold> I think that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:46] <jdstrand> sarnold: if you are looking for things to review, there are several work items in security-u-catchall
[16:46] <sarnold> jdstrand: ooo
[16:47] <jdstrand> (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-u-catchall)
[16:47] <sarnold> oh yes, nice long list :)
[16:47] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand :)
[16:47] <chrisccoulson> so, last week I got firefox and flash out. I still need to publish thunderbird, but there's not really a rush for that (only 3 of the advisories for firefox were applicable to thunderbird)
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> but i'll do that tomorrow :)
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> I've nearly finished bug 1312082, which has turned in to quite a sizeable piece of work
[16:49] <jdstrand> thankfully, that's a one time thing
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> and then after that, I shall be clearing my review queue and picking the next task off the list (https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assign
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> ee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=rtm14&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_b
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> lueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on)
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> oops
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> sorry about that, I just copied the search URL from firefox
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> i think that's me done
[16:50] <jdstrand> is the next task off the list the media-hub stuff?
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> well, alex is working on that, unless I need to help out
[16:50] <jdstrand> ah, cool
[16:51] <jdstrand> well, we have a meeting on that tomorrow, so I'll just be patient
[16:51] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:51] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:52] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:52] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mplayer.html
[16:52] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pdns.html
[16:52] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/cobbler.html
[16:52] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libfpdi-php.html
[16:52] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/check-mk.html
[16:52] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:52] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:55] <jdstrand> sbeattie, sarnold, chrisccoulson: thanks!
[16:55] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[16:55] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jun 16 16:55:33 2014 UTC.
[16:55] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-06-16-16.37.moin.txt
[16:55] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand :)
[16:55] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[18:54] <phonaney> ok, this seems to work
[18:54] <phonaney> got an extremely high ping though
[19:00] <phonaney> !dmb-ping
[19:02] <phonaney> nobody?
[19:03] <bdmurray> I'm here
[19:04] <phonaney> okay, well we only need one more +1 for zequence so it could be enough
[19:04] <phonaney> how do you want to do this?
[19:06] <phonaney> zequence: you here?
[19:06] <phonaney> hi micahg_mobile
[19:06] <phonaney> phone gang
[19:11] <phonaney> doesn't look like this is happening
[19:11] <phonaney> maybe the rest of you can vote via email
[19:11] <micahg_mobile> Apparently I'm supposed to be chairing, but can't at the moment
[19:12] <phonaney> looks like you got lucky
[19:12] <micahg_mobile> !dmb-ping
[19:12] <phonaney> dont think zequence is actually here
[19:13] <micahg_mobile> Ah, that's a problem
[19:13] <phonaney> so... see you soon :)
[19:13] <phonaney> email should be fine
[19:13] <phonaney> we did say that after the previous application to be fair
[19:13] <phonaney> bye!
[19:15]  * micahg_mobile bows out as well
[20:00] <xnox> hey


[18:36] <kees> mdeslaur, sbeattie: starting!
[18:36] <mdeslaur> yes!
[18:36] <nxvl> \o/
[18:36] <kees> nxvl: hola!
[18:37] <sbeattie> o/
[18:37] <nxvl> hola!
[18:37] <kees> okay, so, this week, I'm going to try to flush my rally TODO list, and prepare for blackhat/defcon
[18:37] <kees> I'm on community
[18:38] <kees> that's about it from me.  mdeslaur, you're up.
[18:38] <mdeslaur> I just published thunderbird, and will spend rest of day preparing laptop for blackhat
[18:39] <mdeslaur> that's about it
[18:39] <mdeslaur> next!
[18:39] <sbeattie> mdeslaur: it doestakea while for the cement you encase it in to cure.
[18:39] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: yeah :) let's just say it's a "clean" laptop :)
[18:40] <sbeattie> I hope to work through one or more USN publications this week, since I didn't finish it at the sprally.
[18:40] <nxvl> mdeslaur: oh, i got a spare HD
[18:40] <nxvl> mdeslaur: before DF i just swap disks
[18:40] <kees> sprally.  *snicker*
[18:41] <nxvl> it easier
[18:41] <sbeattie> Also, since I did an appalling job of community effort last week, I'll take over triage while jdstrand is on vacation (and possibly blackhat)
[18:41] <kees> sbeattie: ah yeah, how is w3m coming?
[18:41] <kees> sbeattie: every time I tried to do CVE triage last week, mdeslaur had already done it.  :)
[18:41] <sbeattie> kees: my schroots are missing debuild for some reason.
[18:42] <mdeslaur> kees: stop complaining :)
[18:42] <nxvl> btw, jamie told me he was going to publish FF 3.6.8 this week before BH IIRC
[18:42]  * jdstrand is here, but may drop
[18:42] <sbeattie> so I'll dig back into it and see why they weren't installed.
[18:42] <sbeattie> that's about it for me.
[18:42] <sbeattie> have fun at blackhat!
[18:42] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: I don't have debuild in my schroots
[18:43] <mdeslaur> oh, nm...yes, they do
[18:43] <kees> mdeslaur: usually you do the "sbuild" from outside.
[18:43] <kees> er
[18:43] <kees> sbeattie: ^^
[18:43] <kees> mdeslaur: I wasn't complaining.  :)
[18:43] <kees> sbeattie: was umt not working after an "mk-sbuild"?
[18:43] <sbeattie> kees: um, dunno, then, umt build ad build-orig were failing complaining about it.
[18:44] <sbeattie> s/ad/and/
[18:44] <kees> sbeattie: hunh.  well, we can certain help debug.  :)  just let us know where we can help.
[18:44] <sbeattie> kees: sure thing.
[18:44] <jdstrand> shall I go while my connection is still here?
[18:45]  * sbeattie is also still recovering a little from my laptop drive swap.
[18:45] <sbeattie> jdstrand: all yours.
[18:45] <jdstrand> cool
[18:45] <jdstrand> first off, sorry for being late
[18:45] <jdstrand> this week I am at blackhat
[18:45] <jdstrand> and on triage
[18:46] <jdstrand> I'm technically on holiday today and tomorrow, but did manage to publish the firefox update today
[18:46] <kees> heh.
[18:46]  * kees hugs jdstrand
[18:46] <jdstrand> other than that, that's it
[18:46]  * jdstrand hugs kees back :)
[18:47] <sbeattie> jdstrand: as I said, I'll cover triage for you.
[18:47] <jdstrand> oh, I missed that
[18:47] <jdstrand> sbeattie: rockin' :)
[18:47]  * jdstrand hugs sbeattie :)
[18:47] <sbeattie> jdstrand: enjoy your days off!
[18:48] <jdstrand> \o/
[18:48] <jdstrand> thanks :)
[18:48] <kees> jdstrand: have fun!  :)
[18:48] <kees> okay, any other business for the security team?
[19:59] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu Meeting in a minute in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:59] <ScottK> o/
[19:59] <shadeslayer> \o
[20:00] <apachelogger> hullos
[20:00] <padams> hey hey
[20:00]  * apachelogger swiftly needs to swap his system fonts
[20:00] <shadeslayer> heheh
[20:01] <Riddell> neversfelde, apachelogger, rgreening, ScottK: council ping
[20:01] <ScottK> o/
[20:01] <apachelogger> council pong
[20:01] <Riddell> good evening friends
[20:01] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[20:01] <Quintasan> \o/
[20:01] <Riddell> anyone here for membership?
[20:02] <rgreening> hey
[20:02]  * Quintasan want kubuntu-dev, but after Neon is working
[20:02] <j-b> are there rules somewhere for those kinds of meeting?
[20:02] <Riddell> kubuntu-dev needs talking to kubuntu-dev people, not so much a general meeting
[20:02] <shadeslayer> we need to get bzr-svn working before that ( for kdelibs )
[20:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: oh oh btw search for bzr-fastimport
[20:03] <shadeslayer> that might help us
[20:03] <txwikinger> 0/
[20:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan: just get in touch with someone from kubuntu-dev when you are ready
[20:03] <Riddell> j-b: we chat on the topics on the agenda and hopefully come to a conclusion (we can get the council to vote in cases of geniune split opinions)
[20:03] <cwickert> Riddell: I guess I am, but I haven't completed all the necessary steps yet
[20:03] <Riddell> cwickert: let us know if you manage that before the end of the meeting then :)
[20:03] <Riddell> first item is KDE PIM
[20:03] <padams> w00t
[20:04] <shadeslayer> my precious...
[20:04] <Riddell> at Akademy the PIM developers had mixed responses when I asked
[20:04] <ScottK> Riddell: I think it's clear we should stay with 4.4 for Maverick.
[20:04] <Riddell> about whether we should ship 4.4 or 4.5
[20:04] <Riddell> by the end of the week it become clearer that 4.4 would be the sensible thing to do
[20:04] <padams> cwickert: tell them about fedora 14 :)
[20:04] <Riddell> what's happening in fedora 14?
[20:05] <cwickert> Fedora will probably ship 4.4 too
[20:05] <apachelogger> are they merging with suse? :O
[20:05] <Riddell> the argument against 4.4 is that it's unmaintained
[20:05] <cwickert> which is a strong argument IMHO
[20:05] <Riddell> but if it works that's not a problem, and I think the delayed startup for akonadi problems we had in 4.4.2 have gone as far as I can tell
[20:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw im trying out the beta 1 packages, but they work fine for me, i wont say anything else....
[20:05] <ScottK> Riddell: We're stuck with maintaining it for Lucid for 3 years, so having it in Maverick doesn't make it worse.
[20:06] <rgreening> KDE PIM + Kmail2 + Akonadi == FAIL for me
[20:06] <apachelogger> ScottK is absolutely right
[20:06] <Riddell> I've already updated the kde-l10n packages to use translations from PIM 4.4
[20:06] <shadeslayer> maybe beta 2 will bring joy to the world?
[20:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: is he ever wrong?
[20:06] <apachelogger> didn't say that ^^
[20:06] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It can do it for Maverick +1 then.
[20:07] <jtechidna> sorry, power outage
[20:07] <Riddell> now I suspect there are issues in our kdepim packages that should be fixed anyway
[20:07] <ScottK> I think it would be great if someone provides PPA packages for testing, but there's no indication it is or will be ready for production use.
[20:07] <shadeslayer> ScottK: but if we release kde 4.5.1 with maverick, why not new kdepim ?
[20:07] <Riddell> kleopatra and use of gnupg are things I'd like to have reviewed
[20:07] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Because it's not ready.
[20:07] <shadeslayer> ScottK: packages are already in kubuntu experimental ppa
[20:08] <Quintasan> ScottK++
[20:08] <cwickert> ScottK: how do you define "ready"?
[20:08] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: we should make sure that anyone interested will know where they are
[20:08] <apachelogger> us not being the first to loose their head over it
[20:08] <ScottK> cwickert: Usable, stable, won't eat my data.
[20:09] <apachelogger> we had KDE 4.0 and got a beating, even though it was not even default
[20:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: the site would be a BAD idea :P
[20:09] <Riddell> able to safely upgrade from previous versions is an important requirement for "ready"
[20:09] <ScottK> PIM is the one area where data loss hurts users the most and we should be conservative about it.
[20:09] <apachelogger> then we had KDEPim 4.4 as one of the first and got a beating for kaddressbook and akonadi
[20:09] <apachelogger> ...
[20:09] <apachelogger> :/
[20:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  That too.
[20:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: afaik no one had failures on lucid and i tested them out on maverick
[20:09] <Quintasan> well, fresh install here, works just fine
[20:09] <cwickert> ScottK: AFAIK it's not eating data anymore. we are running a many test systems with real life data
[20:09] <JontheEchidna> upstream is not defining it as "ready" as it is: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktophx9879
[20:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: rgreening just said he had fail
[20:10] <shadeslayer> rgreening: did the upgrades fail, or the app itself?
[20:10] <ScottK> cwickert: I think when it can meet the normal KDE release schedule that'll be a sign it's mature enough to consider.
[20:10] <rgreening> For me, on lucid that is, Kmail2 and Akonadi == 100% CPU and I cannot delete mail from my GMAIL IMAP.
[20:11] <rgreening> it takes forever to load the message and cant delete. it's unusable
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> for me, kmail2 + akonadi == akonadi-mysql taking up 100 MiB of memory while idle
[20:11] <ScottK> If it's too scary for Fedora, I'm reasonaly certain it's too scary for us.
[20:11] <apachelogger> ^^
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> So it looks like pieces are already set in place for keeping 4.4 for maverick. l10n is taken care of and 4.5 is in the experimental PPA. I think we should motion to keep it this way
[20:12] <apachelogger> also, if a release would happen I suppose itwould be jolly close to our own release
[20:12] <ScottK> With 4.4, Kmail is usable on my netbook with 1GB RAM and an Atom CPU.  It doesn't sound like that would work at all well with Kmail2.
[20:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, since we're releasing at the start of october not the end
[20:12] <apachelogger> and history tells that this is never a good thing
[20:12] <cwickert> ScottK: the decision for Fedora is not set in stone yet
[20:13] <cwickert> ScottK: but Fedora has one month more until they release then Kubuntu
[20:13] <apachelogger> I think we agree that KDEPim 4.5 is no option for 10.10
[20:13] <cwickert> s/then/than
[20:13] <Quintasan> apachelogger++
[20:13] <apachelogger> should be revisited at next UDS if possible though
[20:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think so.
[20:13] <apachelogger> to lay out a migration plan
[20:13] <ScottK> I think we should definitely plan on it for 11.04 though.
[20:14]  * padams agrees
[20:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: +1
[20:14] <apachelogger> aye
[20:14] <rgreening> I agree. it's way too critical to foo someones mail
[20:14] <Riddell> padams, cwickert: will kolabsys be wanting to review our packages in some way?  and are there KDE PIM 3.5 packages we should care about?
[20:14] <cwickert> Riddell: yes there are packages
[20:14] <Riddell> ..but should we care? :)
[20:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I think we should get the Kolab 3.5 packages in.
[20:15] <cwickert> Riddell: I think you should. I ready suggested to have the e3.5 client as an alternative a while back
[20:15] <padams> that's up to you… we can help provide 3.5 packages and we can help with the 4,5 effort because we would like to see 4,5 packages for lucid
[20:15] <Quintasan> If someone cares for 4.5 we have packages, right? So we can just tell them it can eat data but if users want to test it then go ahead
[20:16] <ScottK> padams: I think it we are interested in providing 4.5 packages for people that want them via PPA, just not in the main repository.
[20:17] <apachelogger> ack
[20:17] <ScottK> It would be good both for testing and for early adopters.
[20:17] <padams> ScottK: fine with me
[20:17] <cwickert> ScottK: how about 3.5 then?
[20:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: you were the one doing 4.5beta1 packages?
[20:17] <cwickert> should this be in the main repo or also in a ppa?
[20:17] <ScottK> I think 3.5 in Lucid is fine.
[20:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yep
[20:17] <shadeslayer> theyre in experimental ppa
[20:17] <Quintasan> great
[20:18] <ScottK> cwickert: We just need to make sure they are correctly "branded" as Kolab kdepim so people don't get confused.
[20:18] <padams> ScottK: or kdepim-ultra-old?
[20:18] <cwickert> ScottK: so how would you do that?
[20:18] <cwickert> kdepim-rock-stable
[20:19] <ScottK> In the package name and description.
[20:19] <ScottK> It should be easy enough, we just need to remember to do it.
[20:19] <Riddell> ScottK: in Lucid?  as in backports?
[20:20] <ScottK> Riddell: Maverick and then Lucid Backports, yes.
[20:20] <ScottK> Riddell: I think the key is to position them as part of the Kolab system, not part of the KDE system.  Then users won't be confused.
[20:20] <Riddell> padams, cwickert: how can we get 3.5 packaging moving?
[20:21] <cwickert> Riddell: good question, I'm open to suggestions cause I don't know the (k)ubuntu workflow
[20:22] <ScottK> Riddell: I think for the purposes of the meeting, we can agree we want them and I'll chat with cwickert later and sort out the details.
[20:22] <Riddell> cwickert: I'd suggest turning up on #kubuntu-devel and asking for people to review the packaging you have
[20:22] <cwickert> Riddell: ok
[20:22]  * Quintasan wants to try that
[20:22] <ScottK> I think we've agreed on the following for Maverick and KDEpim: KDE 4.4 for Maverick, Kmail2/4.5 in PPA, and KDE3.5 PIM packages for Kolab.
[20:23] <ScottK> Any objections to that?
[20:23] <apachelogger> cwickert: you make a package, show it to us, we will tell you that it is crap, you come with a new package, we will love it and then one who has appropriate permissions will upload ;)
[20:23] <apachelogger> something like that in any case ;)
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: none here
[20:23] <apachelogger> no objections
[20:23] <Riddell> ack on that
[20:24] <Riddell> as I said before we should look at the gnupg and kleopatra packaging for 4.4
[20:24] <cwickert> apachelogger: sounds good, but can we please skip the first step? ;)
[20:24] <Riddell> padams, cwickert: at the distro sprint last week the server team people suggested you turn up at a server team meeting sometime soon to look at the kolab server bits
[20:24] <apachelogger> cwickert: awww, less fun for us :P ... but I suppose we can live without it ;)
[20:24] <Riddell> their meetings happen on Tuesdays, not sure the time
[20:25] <ScottK> I'll help them out with that.
[20:25] <cwickert> apachelogger: you could have a look at http://files.kolab.org/apt/ubuntu/dists/karmic/kdepim-e35-extras/source/
[20:25] <Riddell> August 12th
[20:25] <Riddell> FeatureFreeze
[20:25] <Riddell> that's the date to remember :)
[20:25] <Riddell> groovy, moving on?
[20:25] <apachelogger> uhh, the return of arts ^^
[20:25] <cwickert> Riddell: please drop us a note when you are going to talk about kolab
[20:26] <ScottK> cwickert: Will do.  I'd like to get the cyrus patches in first.
[20:26] <shadeslayer> btw a patch in kdepim beta 1 needs fixing
[20:27] <shadeslayer> if anyone is up for it :D
[20:27] <ScottK> cwickert: We've totally removed arts from the distro.  It would be super helpful if we could work around needing it again.
[20:27]  * apachelogger assigns the task to shadeslayer
[20:27] <padams> ScottK: patches coming your way soon
[20:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: heh :P
[20:27] <ScottK> Excellent.
[20:27] <apachelogger> oh, no arts :(
[20:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i fail at refreshing patches
[20:27] <cwickert> ScottK: yeah, lets try to avoid arts...
[20:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: something to learn then
[20:27] <apachelogger> so
[20:27] <apachelogger> shall we move on?
[20:27] <Riddell> Video Player?
[20:27]  * apachelogger pokes j-b
[20:28]  * j-b pokes back
[20:28] <Riddell> Kaffeine doesn't seem ready
[20:28] <ScottK> Agreed.
[20:28] <Quintasan> +1
[20:28] <Riddell> personally I'd like to avoid adding another media framework
[20:28] <Riddell> and I'd like to have a nice KDE UI
[20:28] <Riddell> which leads back to Dragon
[20:28] <Quintasan> I would vote in favour in SMPlayer but that seems impossible due to CD space and licensing reasons, I'm I right?
[20:28] <apachelogger> Quintasan: also it looks like ewww :P
[20:28] <apachelogger> so
[20:29] <apachelogger> I propose vlc
[20:29] <apachelogger> because
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: licensing has made any mplayer-based solution impossible
[20:29] <shadeslayer> vlc+1
[20:29] <apachelogger> the nice people at amarok are pushing phonon-vlc and call it the next-gen phonon backend
[20:29] <shadeslayer> also like i pointed out earlier, anyone migrating from windows will have a easy time with it
[20:29] <Riddell> SMPlayer has a semi-KDEish UI but it's not great and not dl loading avcodecs means it's out
[20:29] <apachelogger> so, if they are right we will end up with libvlc in the long run
[20:29] <Quintasan> apachelogger: SMPlayer look eww? If you didn't even bother to look at the options then :3
[20:29] <ScottK> What's compelling enough about VLC to make it worth switching now and maybe switching to Kaffeine in 11.04?
[20:30] <apachelogger> I am quite sure j-b can reason why vlc would be a good choice
[20:30] <Riddell> phonon-vlc didn't work too well when I tried it, although I see a new release has just been made
[20:30] <shadeslayer> ScottK: id rather bangarang than kaffeine
[20:30] <j-b> well, vlc might be a good choice, because it is plugin-based, as GStreamer, which makes it easier to distribute in parts
[20:30] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Kaffeine/some other choice
[20:31] <j-b> but I guess CD size is annoying for you.
[20:31] <Riddell> vlc's player UI is not pretty at all in my opinion
[20:31]  * apachelogger agrees with Riddell
[20:31] <apachelogger> OTOH millions of windows users use it
[20:31] <Riddell> it also needs some packaging and MIR love to get vlc into main and it's getting a bit late in the cycle for that
[20:31] <apachelogger> so vlc could very well be a selling reason
[20:32] <Quintasan> j-b: I have one question about the VLC, Are the problems with mkv files crashing VLC solved?
[20:32] <j-b> Quintasan: yes.
[20:32] <j-b> Quintasan: crashing wasn't a vlc problem but a libebml one, that is fixed in libebml 1.0.x
[20:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: how about dragon for 10.10 and vlc as prospective target for 11.04?
[20:32] <Riddell> the advantages of Kaffeine are DVB support and subtitles, j-b how does vlc manage with those?
[20:32] <apachelogger> supposedly phonon-vlc is also more mature by then
[20:33] <j-b> Sorry to be rude guys, but what is so difficult in actually coding a correct phonon player?
[20:33] <shadeslayer> also phonon-vlc currently crashes for me on maverick
[20:33] <j-b> shadeslayer: stacktraces are welcome.
[20:33] <shadeslayer> so whenever i quit a app, i get that foobar app has crashed
[20:33] <shadeslayer> j-b: on bugs.kde.org ?
[20:33] <Riddell> j-b: dragon is a correct phonon player, for some reason kaffeine isn't using phonon which is what leads it to have problems
[20:33] <apachelogger> j-b: it is more the maintaining than the coding IMHO
[20:34] <apachelogger> dragon was also maintainerless for quite some time
[20:34] <j-b> shadeslayer: I believe I fixed that bug in latest release, but yes, bugs.kde.org
[20:34] <Quintasan> Riddell: I do not think subtitles are a problem, I have many Matroska files (with SSA subs inside), and VLC had problems with them, but now it is all fixed
[20:34] <Quintasan> Problems == crashing
[20:34] <shadeslayer> j-b: ok which is the latest release again ? :D
[20:34] <j-b> shadeslayer: we have 2 students working on improving phonon and phonon-vlc
[20:34] <Riddell> j-b: does vlc talk to pulseaudio properly?
[20:34] <j-b> shadeslayer: 0.2.0
[20:34] <txwikinger> why are we planning to change every release?
[20:34] <j-b> Riddell: properly, as in "as well as gstreamer", no. But better than mplayer, yes.
[20:34] <shadeslayer> seems that needs packaging
[20:35] <Quintasan> txwikinger: because it seems that Dragon Player was ultimate failure?
[20:35] <j-b> 21:33 < apachelogger> j-b: it is more the maintaining than the coding IMHO
[20:35] <j-b> apachelogger: come on...
[20:35] <Quintasan> at least that's what I heard
[20:35] <Riddell> Dragon Player is fine, nothing failure about it, just a bit limited
[20:35]  * txwikinger thinks it is very confusing for users if the packages change every release
[20:35] <j-b> Riddell: DVB, yes. Subs, of course
[20:35]  * apachelogger agrees with txwikinger
[20:35]  * ryanakca agress with txwikinger too
[20:36] <Riddell> j-b: I don't suppose there are any plans to make the vlc UI pretty and using oxygen icons?
[20:36] <j-b> Riddell: ask what you need, and you will get it.
[20:36] <j-b> Riddell: it is as simple as that.
[20:36] <Riddell> now there's service :)
[20:36] <j-b> oxygen icons, is like 20 LoC
[20:36] <apachelogger> mhhh, that is servie a la quassel
[20:36]  * apachelogger lieks that :D
[20:37] <j-b> Riddell: seriously, I don't care if VLC gets inside Kubuntu, or not, that is not my choice and I am biaised. But if you need things, just ask.
[20:37] <j-b> and my opinion, as a KDE user is that you need a proper phonon player
[20:38] <Riddell> j-b: which would count out the vlc UI?
[20:38] <j-b> Riddell: I don't understand the question, sorry.
[20:39] <Riddell> j-b: vlc's UI isn't a phonon player
[20:39] <j-b> and won't.
[20:39] <Riddell> dragon is the only one I know of
[20:39] <apachelogger> there are a couple of others on qt-apps IIRC
[20:39] <j-b> Riddell: Kaffeine? banganrang?
[20:39] <apachelogger> nothing terribly awesome though
[20:39] <ScottK> It sounds to me like we ought to stay with Dragon for now and take another look for Maverick +1.
[20:39] <apachelogger> oh yeah, bangarang is also there :D
[20:39] <Riddell> Kaffeine is hard coded to xine
[20:40] <apachelogger> j-b: kaffeine uses xine directly
[20:40] <Riddell> isn't banganrang music focused?
[20:40] <j-b> WHHHHHHHHHAT?
[20:40] <j-b> OMG, not xine...
[20:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: no, collection focused if anything
[20:40] <shadeslayer> rgreening: no.. its good for video as well
[20:40] <shadeslayer> brr
[20:40]  * apachelogger hands j-b a cookie to calm him down ^^
[20:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[20:40] <Riddell> "Beside all the nice improvements Kaffeine is (again) directly using xine-lib instead of Phonon. " http://kaffeine.kde.org/
[20:40] <apachelogger> Well.
[20:41] <Riddell> which is why it doesn't work with my USB headphones
[20:41] <apachelogger> Since I agree with txwikinger who is not amused about changing apps over and over again.
[20:41] <apachelogger> I say we stay with dragon for 10.10
[20:41] <Riddell> yes
[20:41] <apachelogger> and look at this issue proper
[20:41] <kstar> Sorry to butt into a meeting with an offtopic message, but just wanted to thank all of you for making such a rocking distribution.
[20:41] <apachelogger> to either improve dragon towards become awsomest
[20:41] <shadeslayer> well.. i think vlc for maverick+1
[20:41] <apachelogger> or consider vlc for 11.04
[20:41] <Adityab> vlc++
[20:42] <j-b> apachelogger: recoding an actual phonon player isn't difficult, IMVHO
[20:42] <ScottK> Any objections to Dragon for Maverick and consider it again at UDS for Maverick +1.
[20:42] <Riddell> I think that's agreed
[20:42] <ScottK> Shall we move on then?
[20:42] <apachelogger> aye
[20:42] <Riddell> message indicator is the next topic
[20:42] <kstar> VLC is a good thing because Windows folk use VLC.
[20:43] <apachelogger> j-b: the only time I ever looked at phonon was to play a video for a hoax application :)
[20:43] <j-b> Mac people the same :)
[20:43] <apachelogger> maybe I should look at it again
[20:43] <apachelogger> j-b: well, thanks for attending :)
[20:43] <j-b> apachelogger: no pb
[20:43] <j-b> please, guys, if you need modifications to VLC or phonon-vlc, just _ask_
[20:43] <j-b> seriously
[20:44] <maco> i thought mac & windows people used whatever was default in their OSes...which definitely isnt vlc
[20:44] <highvoltage> <3 VLC! (just had to chime in)
[20:44] <ScottK> I think for M-I, the proposal is on by default for Quassel and Kopete, but not Kmail and no systray icons for Quassel or Kopete.
[20:44] <j-b> maco: believe me, linux is the smallest of our OSes
[20:44] <apachelogger> maco: they have tech friends who install VLC along with Firefox
[20:44] <Riddell> message indicator has had some improvements since we last discussed it and I think we should have it used by default in maverick
[20:44] <apachelogger> why is message indiciator not used by upstream?
[20:45] <Riddell> which upstream?
[20:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: All the patches are upstream.
[20:45] <apachelogger> well
[20:45] <Riddell> it is in Quassel and kmail and kopete upstream
[20:45] <apachelogger> active by default
[20:46] <ScottK> Since it's extragear, I don't think it can be active by default for Kmail/Kopete
[20:46] <apachelogger> using message indicator would be a pretty grave change to how that sort of stuff appears in the KDE workspace isnt it?
[20:46] <Riddell> but the plasmoid itself isn't in because aseigo wants it implementing using the status notifier protocol, trouble is nobody knows how you can squash what MI needs into that protocol
[20:47] <Riddell> ScottK: agateau and me discussed some ideas for KMail, it probably needs a whole config dialogue page to itself since how you need it to work depends on how you use your e-mail
[20:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: We've provided the MI widget by default for a few cycles now.  I don't think some enabling would be a grave change.
[20:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Makes sense.  I think that should be Maverick +1.
[20:47] <Riddell> yes
[20:47] <ScottK> No point in doing all that for Kmail right before we switch to Kmail2.
[20:48] <Riddell> also relevant kwwii said he could probably do a new icon for maverick
[20:48] <apachelogger> but enabling it changes how kopete/kmail/quassel notifications are displayed?
[20:48] <Riddell> the current star isn't too noticable (although that could be a feature for some people) and it doesn't quite fit in with the new systray icons theme
[20:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: by not cluttering your systray
[20:49] <Riddell> which is a win for me
[20:50] <apachelogger> well, if upstream likes us to enable it I am all for it
[20:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: It doesn't affect notifications, only systray.
[20:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: so you still get notifications?
[20:50] <ScottK> Yes
[20:50] <Riddell> yes the VisualNotifications wouldn't change
[20:50] <Quintasan> That quite defeats the point of MI IMO
[20:50] <ScottK> Quintasan: You can turn them off if you want.
[20:50] <apachelogger> hm
[20:50] <ScottK> (at least for quassel)
[20:51] <apachelogger> ahhhh, but the tray icons would be gone?
[20:51] <ScottK> Yes
[20:51] <Riddell> yes, pointless tray icons won't be missed by me
[20:51] <ScottK> You could put it back if you wanted.
[20:51] <maco> oh a less cluttered tray? i like that
[20:51] <apachelogger> isnt that what the tray redesign + kstatusnotifier is supposed to archive? :P
[20:52] <apachelogger> well, I think we should go with it and advertise it
[20:52] <Riddell> and make sure upstreams are aware and don't object of course
[20:52] <apachelogger> if people start complaingin soon enough we should revert though
[20:53] <apachelogger> for the sake of not angering the users with every release
[20:53] <ScottK> There's a checkbox to re-enable the systray icon for kopete too.
[20:53] <Riddell> next item?
[20:53] <Riddell> Ubuntu font
[20:53] <ScottK> What's to discuss about it?
[20:54] <Riddell> whether we want it on by default
[20:54] <Riddell> although the Ubuntu Desktop team don't know it yet, they're going to have it included at some point soonish
[20:54] <Adityab> font++
[20:54] <Riddell> I think all kubuntu members have access to try it out
[20:54] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:54] <apachelogger> The font handles umlauts quite terribly
[20:54]  * ScottK thought the Ubuntu font was the font for the Ubuntu logo.
[20:55] <apachelogger> I pointed out some of the immediately visible things earlier in kubuntu-devel
[20:55]  * ScottK didn't realize it was something for the actual system.
[20:55] <Quintasan> and it looks quite awful on my 23" display
[20:55] <Quintasan> too thin
[20:55] <Riddell> ScottK: it's for the whole system font
[20:55] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  I've just learned this.
[20:55] <Riddell> it takes a little getting used to but I find it makes my desktop more interesting without being distracting
[20:55] <JontheEchidna> I enjoy the font as well
[20:55] <Riddell> nuno also likes it, not as much as liberation but more so than dejavu
[20:55] <apachelogger> dejavu is utter crap I may say so
[20:56] <ScottK> Do currently match upstream on font or are we already different?
[20:56] <apachelogger> I am also more for liberation
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: they are taking feedback about the font, so I would suggest that you report the umlaut issues as a bug
[20:56] <Riddell> upstream has no font, it's an X issue
[20:56] <shadeslayer> oh font
[20:56] <ScottK> Ah.
[20:56] <shadeslayer> ubuntu font ++
[20:56] <shadeslayer> along with autohinting
[20:56] <apachelogger> also liberation is more established and since the font is only supposed to go into public beta on 8th august or so...
[20:56] <ScottK> It sounds to me like it's premature to make a decision.
[20:57] <apachelogger> ScottK: upstream == nuno == liberation | droid
[20:57] <txwikinger> isn't it quite simple to change the default font anyway?
[20:57] <apachelogger> with which I agreee entirely
[20:57] <Quintasan> apachelogger: +1
[20:57] <Riddell> I think it would be a nice bit of cross-Ubuntu-variant cohesiveness to use it
[20:57] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd propose we revist after it's public.
[20:57]  * apachelogger would postpone to UDS actually
[20:58] <apachelogger> discuss this at larger scale
[20:58] <Quintasan> Does anyone know how the asian symbols look in Dejavu fonts?
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> UDS is after release though
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> way too late
[20:58] <Riddell> it is public now, you can share it as you want so long as it's obvious it's a beta, it just isn't freely licenced yet
[20:58] <ScottK> or not
[20:58] <ScottK> Riddell: I guess that's the other thing, I'm not comfortable with deciding for it until the license terms are finalized.
[20:59] <apachelogger> I am highly against changing the default font this late....
[20:59] <apachelogger> and until it is public it is getting even later...
[20:59] <Quintasan> One question, did anyone actually complain about the font being bad?
[20:59] <Riddell> ScottK: as a free software zealot I'm not going to touch it if the licence turns out not to be free, but I don't think that'll happen
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> this late? we're not even at the third alpha, and we were considering changing font at RC last cycle
[20:59] <apachelogger> und then it will be too late when suddently it turns out that something is horribly broken...
[20:59] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't think it will happen either, but I think we should accept it after, not before.
[21:00]  * Mamarok doesn't liek the Ubuntu font
[21:00] <ScottK> Considering it's easy to switch defaults, I'm not overly concerned about deciding this up to beta.
[21:00] <Mamarok> like*
[21:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that font was not beta though
[21:00] <apachelogger> in fact that font was around for years
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> and it won't be once its released
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> and defaults are easy enough to change if there is a problem, as Scott noted
[21:01] <Riddell> ScottK: it's mostly a problem for docs, not sure when they would want a decision by
[21:01] <Riddell> a new version with bold is expected this week
[21:02] <Riddell> let's check with our docs people when they need a decision and make sure we do decide before then
[21:03] <ScottK> User interface freeze and beta freeze are the same day
[21:03] <ScottK> So I think it's fine to wait.
[21:03] <apachelogger> would we be using it for anything but menus?
[21:04] <apachelogger> like actual text? (say browser)
[21:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: fiddly to only make it apply to menus, I'd expect everything but fixed width fonts
[21:04] <Riddell> (because that won't be done in time as I understand it)
[21:05] <Riddell> I also had "rekonq defaults" on the agenda, although it seems less important given we don't know if rekonq will be supported for Qt 4.7/KDE Platform 4.5
[21:05]  * apachelogger says -1 then because he finds the font very horrible for floating text - besides currently being essentially broken with umlauts
[21:05] <Riddell> I need to contact the rekonq developers and get an answer on that
[21:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: a poke on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[21:06] <Riddell> the agenda item was about removing all bookmarks from rekonq by default, settings homepage to google.com and setting default webpages to
[21:06] <Riddell> +        <default>http://www.google.com,http://userbase.kde.org,http://www.kubuntu.org,http://www.kubuntuforums.net</default>
[21:07] <Riddell> it's not ideal to hard code in google.com, would be better to use searchproviders somehow but I don't think that's possible
[21:08] <ScottK> Riddell: I think it's pretty clear rekonq is unsuitable for default.
[21:08] <apachelogger> ack
[21:08] <ScottK> I'd thought we were going to discuss switching away from it.
[21:08]  * Quintasan votes in favour of Konq and option of installing kpart-webkit
[21:09] <ScottK> Arora is better, but still crashy on flash stuff.
[21:09] <txwikinger> konq is really lacking a lot of important features
[21:09] <Riddell> ScottK: rekonq 0.5 is far too crashy but 1.0 is due out before maverick and maybe they'll support qt 4.7 with that, needs asking anyway
[21:09] <ScottK> Riddell: When is it due?
[21:10] <apachelogger> I would like to bring up trying konq + kwebkitpart for one release since it performs a lot better in the reliability
[21:10] <ScottK> We're running out of time "before Maverick".
[21:10] <Riddell> ScottK: they have said they can do it to our schedule
[21:10] <txwikinger> Is konq actively developed?
[21:10] <Riddell> txwikinger: yes, khtml has improved in 4.5 to some extent
[21:10] <ScottK> Riddell: The fact that I can't currently file a bug that won't get marked invalid immediately I find highly discouraging.
[21:10] <txwikinger> Riddell: and the GUI?
[21:10] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: yep, i was told to ditch development on rekonq and work on konqueror on #kde-devel one day :P
[21:11] <apachelogger> kthml just doesnt have nokia and apple and google in its back :)
[21:11]  * txwikinger wants tabs that can be re-ordered
[21:12] <ScottK> Riddell: I think we should switch back to Konqueror now and consider Rekonq when there is something that might be suitable.
[21:12] <apachelogger> well, I am for trying konq+kwebkitpart but really think we should be using firefox to begin with and other than that does not care
[21:12] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm happy with that
[21:12] <ScottK> Konqueror + khtml is a better choice than Rekonq right now.
[21:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: We'd need to figure out how to deal with options that don't work with webkit if we shipped that.
[21:13]  * txwikinger is for kwebkit whatever browser it will be
[21:13] <ScottK> txwikinger: The problem is that we don't have any that are at all end user suitable at the moment.
[21:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: I do not think they are that many
[21:13] <apachelogger> oh oh oh, someone please make sure that with whatever browser we use that java works
[21:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  We'd need to figure that out before switching to it.
[21:14] <maco> txwikinger: mmm wait isnt webkit not-screenreader-friendly?
[21:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: I am suggesting to try it for a pre-release and see how it goes
[21:14] <apachelogger> so that we do not look into hiding stuff that doesnt need to be hidden because we do not ship with the webkitpart anyway
[21:15] <maco> txwikinger: nevermind, that doesnt matter on kubuntu. nothing qt is screenreader friendly to start with
[21:15]  * txwikinger needs webkit for the debugging stuff
[21:16] <Riddell> if someone wants to review konq+webkitkde and work out how stable it is and what breaks in the config UI that would be great
[21:16] <ScottK> txwikinger: Yes, but you can install stuff.  That's not a reason to make it default.
[21:17] <txwikinger> ScottK: Sure I can install firefox :p
[21:17] <ScottK> txwikinger: That won't get you webkit.
[21:17] <ScottK> ;-)
[21:17] <txwikinger> but firebug
[21:18] <Riddell> any other business?
[21:18] <ScottK> Any objections to Konqueor +khtml for now and Konqueror + webkit or Rekonq once we have a solid proposal and something that is tested to work reliably?
[21:18] <ScottK> Riddell: Is ^^^^ what you think we decided?
[21:18] <Riddell> ScottK: yes
[21:18] <ScottK> Excellent.
[21:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: looks like the settings are written all and entirely in cpp
[21:19] <apachelogger> given a list of features that do not work with the webkitpart one can easily disable that stuff
[21:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: All we need is someone to research it, provide a patch, and test.
[21:20] <apachelogger> I think research is the biggest problem there ^^
[21:20] <ScottK> shadeslayer is a rekonq fanboi, so we need another minion for that.
[21:20] <shadeslayer> \o/
[21:20] <shadeslayer> if someone kares enough to train me :P
[21:21]  * txwikinger tests out konq+webkit
[21:21] <ScottK> Riddell: I suspect we can close the meeting.
[21:21] <Riddell> yes, 4.5 final tagging due tomorrow or next day
[21:21]  * apachelogger hands everyone a cookie
[21:21] <Riddell> so ninjas and testers needed after that
[21:21] <shadeslayer> ahem... 4.5 rc was tagged
[21:21] <Riddell> thanks all
[21:21] <shadeslayer> \o
[21:21] <j-b> Now that your meeting is over, can anyone explain me why Kaffeine doesn't use phonon anymore?
[21:22] <Riddell> j-b: let's move to #kubuntu-devel
[21:22] <j-b> ok


[18:33] <wrst> howdy chris4585
[18:41] <chris4585> hey wrst
[18:42] <wrst> all going well chris4585?
[18:44] <chris4585> yes, yourself?
[18:45] <wrst> yep doing well have monday on the downhill side of things so that is good
[20:16] <chris4585> sorry wrst I got distracted by all the E3 videos
[20:16] <chris4585> wrst, that is nice
[20:18] <wrst> chris4585: I get distracted all the time I know that feeling :)
[20:26] <chris4585> I'm just glad I'm off for most of the E3 events
[20:26] <chris4585> sony's event is in a few hours
[23:52] <cyberanger> chris4585: hope sony's wasn't as bad as xbox's was https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/343676122095026177/photo/1


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