[00:01] <tomreyn> Hash: can work.
[00:02] <Hash> Ok. I did the thigns, minus the blacklisting part. My host is nvidia gpu, an guest will be nvidia gpu. enable iommu on my 5800x cpu
[00:02] <Hash> let's reboot! :D
[00:03] <tomreyn> i can't comment on nvidia, i don't have this problem.
[00:21] <Hash> Ok np
[00:22] <Hash> tomreyn: one more thing my friend, do I have to keep running `virtmanager' as 'sudo'
[00:23] <Hash> tomreyn: if not sudo,it doesn't connect. with sudo, it connects, but the GUI is styled differently showing that this is not running as my ubuntu user whose gui app config is dark. This shows windows which brigh controls, so diff gtk ui cofig, not mine
[00:23] <Hash> Is there a group I can add my user to so that I don't have to run it as sudo?
[00:25] <tomreyn> probably libvirtd
[00:26] <Hash> 4(adm),6(disk),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),108(kvm),121(lpadmin),131(lxd),132(sambashare),138(libvirt)
[00:26] <Hash> libvirt or libvirtd? I am already a part of libvirt
[00:26] <Hash> and /etc/group has no libvirtd group, no 'd'
[00:26] <Hash> only libvirt
[00:27] <Hash> ok I rebooted. Works now
[00:27] <tomreyn> i think this changed from 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS
[00:28] <Hash> wish there was a way to load group id without relogging
[00:28] <tomreyn> i'm using 18.04 LTS
[00:28] <Hash> I see. I am on 20.04 desktop
[00:28] <Hash> Qeustion about virtmanager: I want to add 2 /disk/by-id in them. Do you know how?
[00:29] <Hash> Or outside the scope of this channel?
[00:29] <Hash> Also, what's the channel for virt manager, if there is one
[00:30] <tomreyn> i wouldn't know whether there is a chanel for virt-manager or libvirt. alis probably knows.
[00:30] <tomreyn> !alis
[00:30] <tomreyn> i suggest you experiement a little and search the web for your answers and come back her eonly if you can't find them on your own.
[00:31] <Hash> I do alway
[00:31] <tomreyn> so what have you tried so far about "add 2 /disk/by-id"?
[00:32] <Hash> To add them in to the place, but there are 2 places, so I am confused on which one
[00:33] <Hash> you can double click qmeu/kvm line in virt manager, an box opens up, and you +, add type physical disk, auto format, sorce path is /disk by id, and uncheck build pool cuz data already exists on them.
[00:33] <Hash> I am the documentation of virt mnager open too and reading
[00:33] <Hash> But just cofused abou this
[00:34] <Hash> cuz you can also add that in when making a vm
[00:34] <Hash> so which one, or either, or both?
[00:36] <Hash> https://bpa.st/D4XA I need to add this disk, but I see many -part in the /dev/disk/by id
[00:38] <Hash> https://bpa.st/UKDQ This is the message I Get
[00:38] <Hash> When I try to add /dev/sda or /dev/disk/by sda's disk id. Either way gives me this error.
[00:39] <Hash> This is a GPT disk, which is bootable by virtualbox and bare metal as windows 10
[00:39] <Hash> so the disk/data are fine.
[00:40] <Hash> This is the disk I need to add. This is the entire disk which is used only dedicated to vm as disk passthrough
[00:41] <Hash> I need that. I get it in vmware/vbox, but this is giving error if you know anything
[00:41] <tomreyn> Hash: try a web search for    libvirt assign physical disk to guest
[00:41] <tomreyn> maybe add ubuntu 20.04
[00:44] <Hash> Ok
[00:44] <tomreyn> https://serverfault.com/questions/261703/kvm-guest-using-physical-sata-disk looks like a good enough answer, and so is https://www.reddit.com/r/VFIO/comments/5qw8rh/passing_an_entire_hard_drive_to_a_windows_10_vm/
[00:44] <Hash> I mean I can add anotehr ntfs drive, bu ot this one.
[00:44] <Hash> Oh you have to do it AFTER you create the vm.
[00:45] <Hash> I was doing in the main virt manager storage tab before creating the vm
[00:45] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/144894/add-physical-disk-to-kvm-virtual-machine here, the second answer discusses how to do it with the virsh CLI
[00:45] <Hash> Thanks, I found similar too. Will try things gain
[00:45] <Hash> again*
[00:47] <tomreyn> you can use the virt-manager 'new vm' wizard and select pxe booting to create a new VM without having to assign storage.
[00:51] <tomreyn> Napsterbater: could you try making this a little less noisy, please?
[01:12] <Hash> great success
[01:12] <Hash> now add pci.
[01:18] <tomreyn> you might be disappointed in the end when you realize the guest OS will not want to run due to hardware changes (try ##windows for details)
[01:19] <imi> if I run apt-upgrade -y will dpkg-reconfigure be able to to terminal input? I'm struggling with this since a while
[01:23] <tomreyn> imi: "will dpkg-reconfigure be able to to terminal input" does not seem to be a properly formatted question. can you rephrase it?
[01:24] <imi> if I run apt upgrade -y will dpkg-reconfigure be able to receive terminal input?
[01:25] <Hash> Hello
[01:25] <Hash> tomreyn: worst come to worst I can reinstall. No real data on threI care abou
[01:25] <Hash> also, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/OVMF I am trying to turn on eufi booting for the vm i can't find the optino
[01:25] <Hash> ther is no firmware option I can see
[01:25] <Napsterbater> I would love to but due to the fact my ISP refuses to replace an A/C unit in the headend the OLT is overheating and casuing disruptions in my service.
[01:25] <oerheks> -y is abbreviated --yes is synonym to --assume-yes, while --force-yes , output will be the same, or do you see something different, imi ?
[01:26] <tomreyn> imi: yes, but it probably won't ask questions then, what are you trying to achieve?
[01:26] <Hash> Change the Firmware Option from BIOS to EUFI. (If it's not available do a systemctl restart libvirtd)
[01:27] <Hash> I did that restart, but I don't see a firmware option anywhere
[01:27] <imi> I have a script which gives me errors like this: dpkg-preconfigure: unable to re-open stdin:  debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Readline
[01:27] <imi> I'm trying to figure out why
[01:27] <imi> this isn't a headles noninteractive script
[01:28] <imi> supposed to be interactive but somehow it doesn't work interactively
[01:28] <imi> maybe it's because the -y maybe it isn't... can't tell
[01:29] <oerheks> nobody can tell without the actual script and full output and/or errors
[01:31] <tomreyn> Hash: in virt-manager's 'new vm' GUI, the firmware option is only configurable if you tick the check box to "edit configuration before installing" (or similar)
[01:31] <tomreyn> *GUI wizard
[01:37] <imi> can apt-get upgrade work in screen fine?
[01:37] <Hash> I think I did
[01:38] <tomreyn> imi: which ubuntu release are you asking about?
[01:38] <imi> 20.10
[01:39] <tomreyn> sudo, it can.
[01:39] <Hash> Oh I see.
[01:39] <Hash> How this works.
[01:39] <Hash> Okkkay
[01:39] <Hash> Thanks!
[01:39] <tomreyn> imi: i meant: sure, it can.
[01:39] <imi> ok thanks
[01:49] <Hash> I am using /dev/sda and /dev/sdc as dedicated virtual disk raw drives. Is there a way to make sure the host system can NEVER mount these?
[01:49] <Hash> Is there a way to declare some devices unmountable?
[01:49] <Hash> For example, dolphin fine manager click on device etc.
[01:52] <imi> noauto in fstab?
[01:52] <imi> set fstype as none while you're there
[01:53] <Hash> ok hang on
[01:53] <Hash> while I'm doing that, https://i.imgur.com/pYD217A.png from this list, which one seems like I should add to my vm for sound? I want to add my sound device, and it seems I can.
[01:53] <Hash> just don't know which one
[01:54] <Hash> # /boot/efi was on /dev/sda1 during installation
[01:54] <Hash> UUID=C2FB-7871  /boot/efi       vfat    umask=0077      0       1
[01:54] <Hash> Also, do you know what this means?
[01:54] <Hash> The /sda and /sdc are not in my fstab at all.
[01:55] <Hash> So do I add them to explicity make them not mountable? or how does that work.
[01:55] <imi> yes, nowadays fstab lists by uuid
[01:55] <imi> run blkid first
[01:55] <Hash> one sec
[01:56] <imi> so that you can figure out what uuid means which drive. you might want to delete the entries for sda and sdc if there's any
[01:56] <Hash> the uuid for /dev/sdc and /dev/sda are not found in fstab.
[01:56] <Hash> That's what I'm asking
[01:56] <imi> good
[01:56] <Hash> So if they are not in there anyway they can't be mounted?
[01:57] <Hash> They show up in file managers in kde nd gnome
[01:57] <Hash> if I click, it will mount it to /media
[01:57] <Hash> I want to rpeven thtat system wide in every app
[01:57] <Hash> Make sure the dedicated devices for vm are not usable anywhere by the host system
[01:58] <imi> the idea behind uuids insead of /dev/sd* in fstab is that you don't really care about in which order your drives got recognized, you only care about to use the same partition as rootfs etc no matter whether it's sda* or sdb* this time
[01:58] <Hash> I understand
[01:58] <Hash> thanks
[01:58] <Hash> As for the sound question, pci host device into vm, any idea?
[01:59] <imi> try lspci, dmesg
[01:59] <imi> also I'm looking up a command for you
[02:00] <imi> arecord --list-devices
[02:00] <imi> maybe these help
[02:03] <imi> for the block devices you might want to do something like /dev/sdc none none noauto 0 1
[02:03] <imi> in fstab
[02:04] <imi> that's my best guess
[02:04] <imi> but you can go ahead and experiment on a disposable vm/snapshot first just to be sure :)
[02:08] <Quarupted> Hello, I setup Ubuntu on my RasPi4 as a desktop but now I really only use as a server over SSH/FTP is there an easy way to convert it to a more server build? Removing all the Xorg stuff, Gnome, etc?
[02:09] <imi> Hash: have you seen starship matisse hd audio controller on the bottom of the list on your screenshot?
[02:11] <imi> ok afk, good luck
[02:12] <Quarupted> Hmm not very active here anymore, is there like a Discord now or something?
[02:13] <imi> Quarupted: maybe you can get a packagelist for the server flavour
[02:13] <imi> but I don't expect it to be an easy transition
[02:13] <imi> anyhow I'm still afk
[02:13] <Quarupted> I was thinking I could just uninstall Gnome but I would love to get all the other GUI dependent crap that comes with desktop as well.
[02:14] <Quarupted> imi: Thanks.
[02:14] <van777> Quarupted: reinstall. just choose server.
[02:14] <imi> there might be an x related package which pull every other gui app as dependency
[02:14] <Quarupted> I am thinking it may just be easier to install a server build and start over at this point. Just move my data over somewhere else for now and flash the SD to a server build.
[02:14] <imi> xorg or whatever
[02:15] <imi> +1 for reinstall
[02:15] <imi> anyhow I'm still afk, lol
[02:15] <Quarupted> I can't believe the cost to performace ya get on these lil single board computers as lil servers now a days
[02:17] <Maik> Quarupted: just download the server image for the pi and reflash your sd-card
[02:18] <Maik> removing all the stuff is just nonesense
[02:19] <van777> Quarupted: there are Android tv boxes with Amlogic processor, twice cheaper than rPI4, still play 4k youtube with no problem! Cost to performance is still better.
[02:19] <Quarupted> Maik: Yes an obvious option but I was trying to convert so I didnt have to backup all my configs and move all my data.
[02:19] <Quarupted> But sems there is no simple way to do it.
[02:20] <Quarupted> van777: Yes but I like the offical build of Ubuntu and the support it comes with for Pi4
[02:20] <Quarupted> The other ARM builds dont work as well and arent as supported.
[02:23] <van777> i've been stuck on ARM with "selenium chromedriver". Only 64bit version worked as expeced.
[02:27] <Quarupted> Why is the channel so dead? A few years ago this place was always crazy busy.. is there a discord or is it just a slow night or something?
[02:27] <ptah> Quarupted, maybe irc is an old program
[02:28] <Quarupted> Yeah it is but I love it.
[02:28] <ptah> i used it in 1997 first and efnet is dead
[02:28] <Quarupted> Yeah I used in 90's first as well when I was just a Teen. QuakeNet and EFnet
[02:29] <Quarupted> F for our lost networks and dying chat protocol.
[02:29] <ptah> :)
[02:29] <Quarupted> I will use it til it dies though. I have all these irssi shortcuts memorized forever.
[02:29] <ptah> i noticed whoever uses linux doesnt use irc
[02:30] <Quarupted> Which is so weird since Linux and IRC used to go together like PBnJ
[02:30] <van777> right. cuz irc feels great in terminal
[02:31] <Quarupted> Yes BitchX and IRSSI for life :p
[02:31] <van777> weechat for life here
[02:31] <Quarupted> Maybe someone can write a port of IRSSI for Discords protocol. I'd very much like this.
[02:32] <Quarupted> Aww weechat, I think that usese perl for its scripting right?
[02:32] <tomreyn> sorry to intervene, but this is really just meant to be a support channel. we have #ubuntu-offtopic for social chat, and #ubuntu-discuss for discussion on ubuntu (which is not support Q&A)
[02:32] <tomreyn> you're invited to either
[02:32] <Quarupted> Sorry tomreyn :)
[02:32] <ptah> #networking has more users then #ubuntu
[02:32] <ptah> :)
[02:32] <ptah> 1250
[02:32] <van777> perl and python and ruby in weechat
[02:33] <Quarupted> Well I am off to reconfigure this Pi with a server build, thx everyone. IRC for life :)
[02:34] <van777> ;)
[02:34] <ptah> cya
[02:34] <van777> j #networking
[02:34] <jess> ##networking
[02:39] <maxFlexGuest> I have used the apt command to install KDE Plasma on my Ubuntu Linux QEMU guest. However, when I log in to KDE Plasma, I run into dialogs saying that KDE Plasma is unable to start.
[02:40] <maxFlexGuest> KDE is unable to start because there is no write access to the $HOME directory.
[02:42] <maxFlexGuest> Do you have any advice on how to fix the "no write access to $HOME directory" issue? I am unable to start KDE Plasma on my QEMu guest system running Ubuntu.
[02:42] <maxFlexGuest> Sorry for the mention about KDE. I know that I have installed KDE Plasma, and not KDE.
[02:43]  * van777 shrugs
[02:43] <tomreyn> maxFlexGuest: you could try asking this in #kubuntu
[02:43] <tomreyn> maxFlexGuest: what's reporting that it lacks write access to $HOME, though?
[02:43] <tomreyn> it should not matter that you're running this in a VM.
[02:43] <ptah> maxFlexGuest, chmod or did u edit .bashrc?
[02:44] <tomreyn> (unless it's about graphics acceleration)
[02:45] <maxFlexGuest> I am actually using Ubuntu Studio, not Kubuntu, and my KDE Plasma installation on top of Xfce is reporting a lack of write access to $HOME I was able to type in my password, and once I typed the correct password in the Plasma login manager, the desktop wasn't able to work properly.
[02:46] <maxFlexGuest> However, my Xfce is working properly.
[02:49] <van777> isn't it or XFCE or KDE Plasma? Not both at the same time
[02:49] <maxFlexGuest> If my KDE Plasma installation is reporting a lack of write access to $HOME, then do I need to reboot my system into the disro recovery mode?
[02:50] <maxFlexGuest> I am not running both Xfce and KDE Plasma at the same time. I am only running KDE Plasma right now, and this is the desktop environment reporting lack tf write access to $HOME.
[02:51] <maxFlexGuest> I have seen dialogs on KDE Plasma telling me specifically that the desktop environment (DE) is not working properly, and then KDE Plasma said that the interface could not start.
[02:51] <tomreyn> and you did a web search n this, yet?
[02:52] <ptah> maxFlexGuest, sounds like you need to go as root and chmod or edit .bashrc
[02:53] <ptah> try grub recovery
[02:53] <maxFlexGuest> Does this mean that I need to log in as root or as Xfce?
[02:54] <maxFlexGuest> What do I need to chmod or chown?
[02:54] <tomreyn> you defnitely don't want to start your grpahical desktop as root, no
[02:55] <ptah> tomreyn, i mean the grub recovery
[02:55] <ptah> i had a similar problem i fixed
[02:56] <ptah> but not kde
[02:56] <ptah> gnome
[02:57] <maxFlexGuest>  What part of the GRUB recovery?
[02:58] <xMopx> how can i put my root filesystem into read-only mode while booted normally? I want to simulate the error state when a filesystem error happens.
[02:58] <xMopx> -o remount,ro doesn't work
[02:59] <xMopx> an unfortunately difficult request to google for, most people want to go the other direction, lol
[02:59] <tomreyn> xMopx: probably because files are open with write locks. switching to ro is going to cause file system inconsistencies in this situation.
[03:00] <xMopx> tomreyn: that's fine, that's what I want to simulate or trigger
[03:02] <maxFlexGuest> The KDE Plasma cursor reminds me of KDE Plasma, but I don't know if the DE selection is actually preventing me from selecting Ubuntu Studio Session/Xfce Session instead of KDE Plasma.
[03:02] <tomreyn> xMopx: you can use the sysrq
[03:03] <maxFlexGuest> If I have logged on through the KDE Plasma login interface, will the cursor change for XFCE?
[03:05] <xMopx> tomreyn: nice! that works
[03:12] <maxFlexGuest> I am unsure which desktop environment I am currently using. I might be using the Xfce desktop environment (or at least trying to); Is KDE Plasma flawed?
[03:13] <maxFlexGuest> I seriously believe that the Xfce window manager is being used for KDE Plasma in my case.
[03:16] <Bashing-om> MaxMeranda: ' echo $DESKTOP_SESSION " " $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ' .
[03:20] <ptah> gnome for me :)
[03:22] <angryjenkins> Hi! anyone know var i'd use to display processor name in conky, if possible?
[04:04] <JohnDoe_71Rus> any chance fix it to ubuntu soon? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1915870
[04:13] <pytorch> My ubuntu 20.04 machine hangs during boot: https://ibb.co/FB5RQTb - when I press enter a few times, it boots then. any ideas on how to debug this? dmesg seems empty of errors.
[04:21] <sabocat> New to snaps. I'm getting ERROR: .PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: './docker-compose.yml'  when I try to start a docker container.
[04:25] <Bashing-om> pytorch: How does "ifupdown" play into this ?- as that is old networking conventions that netplan replaced.
[04:26] <Bashing-om> !netplan | pytorch
[04:34] <pytorch> Bashing-om: I've no clue what is hanging this machine. I did upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04. - something there perhaps
[04:37] <pytorch> Bashing-om: Once I press enter, and login, it takes some time before the machine becomes ssh-able
[04:37] <Bashing-om> pytorch: Maybe look at ' systemd-analyze blame ' and the boot log: ' journalctl -b -0 ' (shows messages from the current boot).
[04:38] <pytorch> systemd-analyze blame
[04:38] <pytorch> 5min 12.854s cloud-init-local.service
[04:38] <pytorch>  5min 2.159s cloud-config.service
[04:38] <pytorch> 1min 30.221s nginx.service
[04:39] <Bashing-om> !paste | pytorch
[04:39] <pytorch> Bashing-om: I think you found my issue - cloud-init-local? cloud-config?
[04:49] <Bashing-om> pytorch: Could be - of what use are they to this install ?
[04:50] <pytorch> It's a digital ocean vm - not sure - perhaps DO uses them?
[04:53] <sabocat> I'm getting ERROR: for plex  Cannot start service plex: error while creating mount source path '/storagepool/media/tv': mkdir /storagepool: read-only file system.
[04:53] <pytorch> Bashing-om: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/after-upgrading-to-20-04-lts-network-now-takes-2-minutes-to-start-because-of-cloud-init
[04:53] <sabocat> Anyone have exp with docker as a snap?
[04:53] <Bashing-om> pytorch: Sorry - but out of my spere of knowledge, perhaps others here can shed some light. I do need to go; good hunting :D
[04:53] <pytorch> sabocat: why use snap ? install using the regular method?
[04:54] <pytorch> Bashing-om: thanks for the help.
[04:54] <sabocat> pytorch, it came installed with Ubuntu Server 20.04
[05:02] <pytorch> sabocat: Time to uninstall it?
[05:03] <sabocat> maybe?
[05:03] <pytorch> sabocat: https://www.kevin-custer.com/blog/disabling-snaps-in-ubuntu-20-04/
[05:06] <sabocat> pytorch, thanks. looking like the way to go
[05:30] <sabocat> Disabled the snap, installed docker via recommendation (https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/ubuntu/) now getting can't connect to docker daemon, even tho docker is running
[05:35] <sabocat> nm, reboot fixed
[05:40] <pytorch> sabocat: congratulations :)
[06:39] <Rockwood> rockwood@cyberia:/var/www$ sudo rm -f  criminalimpulse
[06:39] <Rockwood> rm: cannot remove 'criminalimpulse': Is a directory
[06:39] <Rockwood> why its not deleting
[06:40] <Rockwood> it is directory
[06:41] <EriC^^> rm -r criminalimpulse
[06:41] <EriC^^> you need -r with dirs
[06:46] <Rockwood> EriC^^, ty
[06:48] <EriC^^> np Rockwood
[07:43] <nullbytes> I am running one process with -20 nice and many other processes with 19 nice. However, the -20 nice process still seems to be slowed down by the other processes. Is there a way to give it even higher priority so that nothing can slow it down?
[09:19] <ordos> Hi all, hope everyone's well. I've recently upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04 (from 18.04) and my Thinkpad USB keyboard with trackpoint no longer works completely. All the keys work great but the little red trackpoint and the associated mouse buttons on the bottom have stopped working. Any idea how I can fix this? I've tried googling but haven't found anything concrete yet. Will keep trying. Thanks.
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> ordos: wich kernel are you currently on?
[09:21] <ordos> lotuspsychje, heya, thanks, how can I check that/
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> uname -a
[09:21] <ordos> Linux Socrates 5.8.0-44-generic #50~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Feb 10 21:07:30 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> ordos: could you pastebin your dmesg please?
[09:23] <ordos> lotuspsychje, there's quite a lot (!) of output here, anything in particular I can focus on?
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> please share the whole thing ordos so volunteers can take a look in there
[09:27] <ordos> lotuspsychje, ok here you go
[09:27] <ordos> https://pastebin.com/vNPVxE5T
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> tnx ordos lemme have a look
[09:27] <ordos> thank you
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> ordos: can you check if you have other kernels in your list you could test?
[09:28] <ordos> lotuspsychje, sure, although I have no idea how to do that
[09:29] <ordos> (looking over this dmesg output, it seems to be identifying the Thinkpad USB keyboard with Trackpoint just fine)
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> ordos: $ dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[09:30] <ordos> Can I paste 3 lines is that permitted?
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> ordos: you can type what you see
[09:32] <Swift110-mobile> Sup
[09:32] <ordos> First line: linux-image-5.8.0-43-generic               5.8.0-43.49~20.04.1, second line: linux-image-5.8.0-44-generic               5.8.0-44.50~20.04.1, third line: linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04              <IP_ADDRESS>.50~20.04.30
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> tnx ordos
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> ordos: could you check sudo lshw -C video to see if nvidia driver loaded correctly?
[09:34] <ordos> lotuspsychje, it looks like it did (next to product and vendor it correctly identifies the card)
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> ordos: at bottom should list driver=...here
[09:34] <ordos> driver=nvidia
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> ok good
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> ordos: can you test a new user add real quick, see if your trackpoint works there
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> to rule out its user related
[09:35] <ordos> ok sure one sec
[09:36] <Swift110-mobile> Sup
[09:36] <ordos> (did you find anything suspicious in the dmesg output by the way?)
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> !ask | Swift110-mobile
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> ordos: not right away no
[09:36] <ordos> (just trying to learn as I go along)
[09:37] <Swift110-mobile> Lol good idea ordos
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> ordos: working on your new user?
[09:47] <ordos> lotuspsychje, it doesn't seem to be helping
[09:47] <ordos> I've tried it twice
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> allrighty
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> so lets assume this is a kernel bug perhaps
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> ordos: it worked on your 18.04 just fine right?
[09:48] <ordos> I just want to test my keyboard on my 18.04 laptop quick, to rule out hardware error
[09:49] <ordos> Yeah works perfectly there. And yup worked on 18.04 on this same PC before I installed 20.04
[09:49] <ordos> (I installed with USB installer after downloading ISO - erased the disk for a fresh start - ie: it wasn't an upgrade but rather a fresh install - if that makes a difference)
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> ordos: did it work at setup level?
[09:51] <ordos> lotuspsychje, darn that's a good question, I'm not sure (I also have a separate mouse which I use most of the time, I only use the tracking on rare occassions like scrolling etc.)
[09:51] <ordos> I can't remember, sorry
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> ok lets try something, reboot and enter grub then pick ubuntu(recovery) and pick an earlier kernel for test
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> hold shift to enter grub at boot
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> this way we will see if the setup kernel from vanilla iso makes a difference or not
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> ordos: perhaps 5.8.0-43-generic
[09:55] <ordos> I was about to ask
[09:55] <ordos> haha ok brb
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> good luck
[09:55] <ordos> thanks
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> wb ordos
[10:09] <ordos> lotuspsychje, ok it's working now! I used different kernel as suggested and it worked. Then I rebooted back into default kernel - and for some reason it now works here too. I also got a popup asking me to confirm the names of my home directly folders because I'd changed my language from English US to English UK - perhaps that had something to do with it?
[10:10] <ordos> *home directory
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu magic lol
[10:10] <ordos> Hey man I'll take what I can get
[10:10] <ordos> But yes it's working great now
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> nice one ordos glad you made it
[10:10] <ordos> lotuspsychje, thanks for all your assistance I really appreciate it
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> no problem ; )
[10:10] <ordos> Do you guys use karma system in here?
[10:10] <ordos> lotuspsychje++
[10:11] <ordos> No I guess not
[10:11] <ordos> Anyway, thank you :)
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> you can give me a !cookie ordos
[10:11] <ordos> !cookie
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> thats the only irc karma we collect :p
[10:11] <ordos> !cookie lotuspsychje
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[10:11] <ordos> haha awesome
[10:12] <ordos> Cheers :)
[11:05] <billybigrigger> anyone have a suggestion for a good free syslog server that can handle more than 5 incoming logs?
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> billybigrigger: did not test myself, but could fluent-bit snap be any use for your case?
[11:59] <thyriaen> Hiho, i am using the default file browser in Ubuntu-gnome - i would like to add someething to my context menu ( a script where a file should be passed as stdin to my script when i rightclick on it and select it ) where can i configure my context menu entries ?
[12:51] <pcatinean> Hello everyone, can someone help me sync my chromium install with my google account? It seems I just cannot find the login feature anymore
[12:56] <rory> Isn't that a Google Chrome feature, so not part of the open source Chromium browser, pcatinean ?
[12:56] <rory> Oh OK bad luck https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/01/chromium-sync-google-api-removed
[12:56] <pcatinean> I'm just reading now, since March 15 that will be the case
[12:56] <pcatinean> oh well....
[12:56] <pcatinean> yeah...
[12:56] <pcatinean> bummer
[12:56] <maxFlexGuest> This is my first time using KDE Plasma. Is slow performance normal for the first boot? Will future boots perform faster?
[12:57] <maxFlexGuest> I am aware that my KDE Plasma may be slower than my Xfce.
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | maxFlexGuest
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:28] <ordos> Hi all, in Ubuntu 20.04, under Settings > Privacy > File History & Rubbish Bin... there is an option to automatically empty the bin and "Delete temporary files" - which temporary files is this referring to? Is it just the /tmp folder? Or is it something else? It's a little vague. Thanks :)
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> ordos: try stacer or bleachbit to cleanup your system more profound
[13:30] <Maik> bleachbit isn't recommended if you don't know what to do or how tp use it
[13:31] <Maik> https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.com/p/clean-ubuntu.html
[13:31] <Maik> lotuspsychje: ^
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> never had issues with it Maik even with full options enabled
[13:33] <Maik> still people tend to mess up their system with it
[13:34] <jeremy31> Maik: I don't have a lot of faith in the guy that maintains that website
[13:35] <Maik> i only use autoremove and that's it, never heared of clean a linux system anyway. It's a windows thing imho, that's where it comes from
[13:36] <Maik> it's just in our minds we NEED to do that
[13:53] <romo> Hey guys, I'm trying to figure out how to properly prepare a Xubuntu 20.04 VirtualBox Guest to instal Guest Additions (from Oracle CD-Image). there are guides suggesting to install linux-headers-$(uname -r) while some go by linux-headers-generic. are those completely interchangeable or are there benefits of using one over the other?
[13:56] <rory> if you install linux-headers-$(uname -r) it will only install the headers for the current kernel version so when the kernel upgrades you'd have to do it again
[13:56] <rory> romo, afaik you can just install "linux-headers" package and be done forever
[13:56] <rory> linux-headers-generic sorry
[14:01] <romo> rory: thank you very much. I was majorly confused by that question about kernel version changes (among other things). in that case I'll, go with the linux-headers-generic package and be done. wuhu
[14:01] <vimart> When installing an xclip with apt install I get en error: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/ , I've done sudo apt autoclean and autoremove also clean in addition even change the size of /var and still same error.
[14:01] <rory> "uname -r" is a command that shows current kernel version, so linux-headers-$(uname -r) is the same as if you manually typed it
[14:01] <rory> romo, yeah do it. works for me.
[14:02] <rory> vimart, Can you share the output of "sudo df -h" command on https://paste.ubuntu.com please?
[14:03] <vimart> rory: sure, just an min. Thx
[14:04] <rory> This command shows devices, mount points and free disk space
[14:06] <vimart> rory: the paste>> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8RB6nytB7Q/
[14:06] <rory> vimart, because /var is on another partition that's quite small, it has just filled up with space - if there's nothing else to delete in /var/cache/apt/ then perhaps your /var/log directory has some big files which could be deleted
[14:07] <rory> vimart, if you run this command it will show you the files, largest at the top: ls -lhS /var/log
[14:08] <rory> vimart, if you are not sure, you can share the output of that command and I can advise.
[14:08] <rory> e.g. if you don't care about old log files you can safely delete all the old ones in there, that end with .1 or .gz
[14:10] <rory> When you said "even change the size of /var" did you resize the partition? Did you remember to also grow the filesystem to use the new space using resize2fs command?
[14:13] <EriC^^> vimart: try 'sudo du -xsh /var/* | sort -h' it should show which dirs are taking the biggest space, likely there's a log file going out of hand with constant errors
[14:13] <vimart> rory: I got resized /var and made it bigger so so far problem solved
[14:14] <rory> There's no reason to have /var on a separate partition at all to be honest
[14:14] <vimart> but I'll do what you said to check what takes so much
[14:14] <EriC^^> vimart: 10gb is pretty huge for /var tbh, it sounds like you have another problem going on
[14:14] <vimart> rory: bad habit
[14:14] <rory> I bet it's just full of logs
[14:15] <cbreak> is ubuntu 20.10 supposed to turn off my screen after some time?  Few months ago I fall asleep and Laptop fell so system is notifying about errors on a disk
[14:16] <rory> cbreak, that's probably a screensaver "blank screen" rather than power setting, check that first
[14:17] <cbreak> indeed it is. I'd have expected the screen to properly power down
[14:17] <rory> they're separate things, there is a power option to shut off the monitor too
[14:17] <cbreak> since the setting is inside the "Power" settings tab
[14:17] <Ublx> I already searched for how to create a bootable clone of my internal harddisk to an external one of the same size. But because the answers were several years old, I would be happy to have a confirmation if it is right: 1. Boot USB Live stick to keep both harddisks unused 2. use 'dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=4096 conv=sync,noerror' --- Anything else to avoid or do?
[14:18] <Ublx> Of course, it's a Ubuntu system.
[14:18] <cbreak> Ublx: maybe change the partition / filesystem GUIDs afterwards to avoid confusion.
[14:19] <cbreak> or partition the destination first and only copy the partition data
[14:19] <jeremy31> Ublx: I normally use a Clonezilla ISO
[14:19] <rory> cbreak, "blank screen" is just a screensaver, it doesn't power down the monitor, the option to power down the monitor is in System Settings -> Brightness & Lock
[14:19] <cbreak> rory: that's.... weird
[14:19] <cbreak> not in "Power"?
[14:19] <cbreak> let's try
[14:19] <rory> maybe in power actually. but principle is the same. it's not a screensaver
[14:20] <vimart> rory: I used gparted to resize did knew I need to do yet resize2fs
[14:20] <vimart> BTW rory : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4BrSp6bq9X/
[14:20] <cbreak> seems screen power down is not in power but in privacy
[14:21] <cbreak> what were they thinking? :(
[14:21] <cbreak> privacy > screen lock > automatic screen lock delay
[14:21] <cbreak> -> screen turns off is set
[14:21] <cbreak> doesn't work though
[14:22] <rory> OK vimart , go into /var/lib and run "du -h", find the large directory, keep going into it and running the same command to find what is going on
[14:22] <rory> vimart, you could also install "baobab" a graphical disk usage analyzer
[14:25] <rory> I have to go now.
[14:25] <cbreak> `xset dpms force off` does turn off the screen, but somehow the automatism in ubuntu doesn't
[14:29] <vimart> seem like /var/lib/snapd/snaps/var/lib/snapd/snaps take 6G
[14:30] <vimart> I guess those files .snap are not essential now and I can remove them?
[14:36] <cjoke> what package is netplan part of ?
[14:37] <cbreak> dpkg-query -S /usr/sbin/netplan -> netplan.io: /usr/sbin/netplan
[14:38] <cjoke> thanks, I did not have that package installed.
[14:38] <EriC^^> Ublx: i'd use bs=10M or so so that it goes quicker, also be sure to run the "sync" command after dd finishes and also use "status=progress" in the dd command to show progress
[14:38] <EriC^^> dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=10M status=progress conv=sync,noerror
[14:39] <cbreak> I wouldn't DD the whole disk, just partitions
[14:39] <cbreak> or you might have to change the UUIDs of all the things
[14:40] <EriC^^> same thing, the uuid is part of the fs and not the partition
[14:41] <EriC^^> but that's right, if you plan to use the OS with both hdd connected you need to change the uuids and fstab entries so stuff dont get mixed up
[14:41] <cbreak> it's also part of the partition table
[14:41] <smacktalk> so my ubuntu 18 laptop stopped responding and wouldn't boot about 6 months ago, so upgraded to 20.04. It worked for about 3 months without issues then same thing, suddenly wouldn't boot.  I repaired the mbr and was able to boot, but networking didn't work and lot's of problems so had to completly reinstall.  It gives me a little warning before it crashed both times, my mouse started jumping around and acting hinkey.  Anyone else experiencing like
[14:41] <smacktalk> symptoms?
[14:42] <cbreak> (with guid partition table format :P)
[14:44] <EriC^^> :P
[14:44] <cbreak> (one's the partition UUID, the other's the filesystem UUID, even free space has a partition UUID, and file systems have different opinions on what a FS UUID is.)
[14:45] <cbreak> lsblk -o NAME,LABEL,PARTUUID,UUID
[14:45] <EriC^^> fstab uses the fs uuid, which he'll have to change anyways whether he copies the partition or whole disk, partuuid only comes into play with the uefi loading the efi file
[14:46] <cbreak> hmm... you can't use the partition uuid for that?
[14:47] <cbreak> I'm mostly using ZFS, so partition UUIDs is what I see most
[14:47] <cbreak> since I use /dev/disk/by-partuuid
[14:49] <ordos> Hi all :) I'd like to create a "shortcut" (a "Favourites" icon on my taskbar if that makes sense), that when clicked, opens up my File navigator at a specific folder (in this case, my second SSD). Not sure how to best do this? I found a solution online involving creating a file in .local/share/applications/ - which executes Nautilus - is this the right track?
[14:49] <cbreak> it's annoying that who ever did that decided to put both the wwn stuff and the proper IDs into by-id
[14:49] <EriC^^> ordos: that sounds like a good idea
[14:50] <EriC^^> cbreak: aha, didnt think of zfs, never used it and i guess it's now mainstream in 20.04
[14:50] <ordos> I should clarify - when I've navigated to (and opened) the drive via the File navigator manually, it creates a little "SSD" icon in the task bar. I was hoping to replicate that, so that it's always there.
[14:51] <EriC^^> ordos: you could make some .desktop file that runs a tiny script that sees if it's mounted and opens nautilus, or mounts it using gvfs-mount and then opens nautilus
[14:52] <EriC^^> gvfs-mount would mount it as if you clicked on it in the file manager, under /media/user/...
[14:52] <ordos> EriC^^, ok great thanks. This seems to do what you suggest - https://askubuntu.com/questions/235805/how-to-add-drive-partition-icon-to-the-launcher - although it's a few years old it would still be the right way with 20.04?
[14:52] <ordos> EriC^^, ok that makes sense, thanks.
[14:53] <ordos> How come it doesn't remain mounted though? It's a little nvme ssd - the same as my primary / boot drive
[14:54] <EriC^^> ordos: you could add it to automount on startup if you want, run "Disks" utility and choose the partition and click on the little gear for settings, you can add stuff to it
[14:55] <EriC^^> basically it adds it to /etc/fstab
[14:55] <ordos> EriC^^, ok super, thanks
[14:55] <EriC^^> ordos: no problem
[15:23] <Zenn> Hello guys
[15:23] <Zenn> I'm attempting to run this in startup application but not able to do so
[15:23] <Zenn> nothing happens
[15:23] <Zenn> https://github.com/hexvalid/Linux-CapsLock-Delay-Fixer
[15:24] <Zenn> https://imgur.com/boKbqcu
[15:24] <Zenn> maybe someone can guide me thank you
[15:25] <rory> Zenn, if you copy and paste the command from that "Command" into a terminal, does it work OK?
[15:25] <Zenn>  bash -ic "sh bootstrap.sh" ?
[15:26] <rory> the entire thing.
[15:26] <Zenn> what entire thing?
[15:26] <pasiz> just like it's run in startup
[15:26] <rory> "...elay-Fixer-master/bootstrap.sh" is all I can see
[15:26] <rory> but whatever is the full content of that box in your screenshot
[15:26] <Zenn> I mean I run it on terminal it works fine
[15:26] <Zenn> nope it does not rory
[15:27] <rory> What happens when you run it in a terminal? Do you get any output?
[15:27] <rory> I mean when you run the exact command you're specifying in that startup box
[15:27] <Zenn> mostly yes
[15:28] <pasiz> My capslock doesn't have any delay
[15:28] <rory> help me help you, please, zenn
[15:28] <rory> what happens when you run the exact command in a terminal, does it do what you expect? We have to be sure that part works first
[15:28] <Zenn> I do it the old fashion way
[15:28] <pasiz> what is old fashion way?
[15:29] <rory> My point is: On startup, the precise command you put into that box will be executed. So, what happens when you run that precise command yourself manually?
[15:29] <rory> character-for-character the same command
[15:29] <oerheks> on startup or after login? make a proper systemd unit?
[15:29] <pasiz> My keytronic ergoforce in ps2 port does not have any delay. Is there some keyboards that have
[15:30] <rory> That shouldn't be necessary, if we can debug what is going wrong here
[15:30] <Zenn> https://imgur.com/ZrhfQYt
[15:30] <Zenn> here
[15:30] <Zenn> this is way I do it
[15:30] <rory> That's not the same command Zenn
[15:30] <Zenn> but I want use the startup to do it
[15:30] <Zenn> so what do I have to do o.o
[15:30] <rory> In your original screenshot I see the words "...elay-Fixer-master/bootstrap.sh"
[15:30] <Zenn> yes
[15:30] <rory> Copy the contents of that text box and paste it into a terminal
[15:31] <rory> In your latest screenshot I don't see any "...-Fixer-master" - it's not the same command.
[15:31] <Zenn> well it wont work o.o but I have to point to the directory right if not wont execute
[15:31] <rory> "It won't work" what do you see??
[15:31] <Zenn> question is how do I do in Startup Application
[15:31] <rory> Can you just humor me
[15:31] <pasiz> so your path is most preferably wrong in startup
[15:32] <rory> The command you put in the "Command" field of the startup application needs to work, by itsself, in a terminal, from any directory
[15:32] <Zenn> sorry I meant I want do that what I did in terminal in startup so it runs automatically
[15:32] <Zenn> well how do I do that ?
[15:32] <pasiz> wow, what a tooth pulling
[15:32] <rory> Could you share the contents of that field anyway? I can't see it all in the first screenshot
[15:32] <rory> "...elay-Fixer-master/bootstrap.sh" what is the full command?
[15:33] <pasiz> :)
[15:34] <Zenn> https://imgur.com/N9rMpc1
[15:34] <oerheks> why an image?..
[15:34] <rory> Thanks Zenn. So please copy that full command and run it in a terminal
[15:34] <pasiz> do you have +x on permissions
[15:34] <Zenn> I ran it in terminal it works
[15:34] <pasiz> like chmod a+x THAT FILE
[15:34] <Zenn> I want to do the same in startup
[15:35] <rory> OK thanks Zenn. Try wrapping it in "bash -c" so your startup command will read: bash -c "/home/mann..../bootstrap.sh"
[15:35] <rory> I'm not going to type out the whole thing
[15:35] <EriC^^> Zenn: did you add the command to the startup apps? and if you only used the filename, did you chmod +x it?
[15:35] <Zenn> oh
[15:36] <Zenn> let me try
[15:36] <pasiz> sometimes reading the fine manual is best way before debugging hardly...
[15:36] <rory> looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue
[15:36] <pasiz> absolutelu... is UHU still top brands
[15:37] <zenn> thanks rory it works
[15:37] <zenn> :)
[15:37] <zenn> sorry for the confusion eariler
 My capslock doesn't have any delay
[15:38] <rory> yay
[15:38] <zenn> it is a imfamous bug
[15:38] <zenn> something to do with xorg server
[15:38] <pasiz> i cannot replicate that on ubuntu nor debian hosts
[15:38] <zenn> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/9lo5if/is_there_a_solution_for_caps_lock_delay_yet/
[15:38] <zenn> read it up
[15:39] <oerheks> zenn, likely it does not affect all users?
[15:39] <oerheks> me neither
[15:39] <zenn> well no idea are you guys on AMD?
[15:39] <pasiz> reddit thread with no cause doesn't help to fix anything
[15:40] <zenn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1376903
[15:40] <zenn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1376903/comments/5
[15:40] <zenn> read about it
[15:40] <oerheks> zenn, yes, you showed me that old bugreport earlier.
[15:40] <zenn> I would like to note that this bug is still being overlooked by the community.
[15:40] <zenn> It has been overlooked
[15:40] <oerheks> have fun with your fix!
[15:41] <zenn> it is fine, I was hoping it gets fixed soon
[15:41] <pasiz> or people learn why there is shift key on keyboard
[15:41] <zenn> The reason why I got away from Windows is to get Away from the Ugly updates that BSOD my PC
[15:41] <zenn> well I a type writer so it wont work if I type too fast.
[15:42] <pasiz> i think you are now
[15:42] <zenn> pasiz, And please don't give me the 'SHIFT' key argument. I have used CAPS LOCK for all my life and considering I am able to type from 110~180 WPM with the CAPS LOCK, I do not think it's a fair argument as some people are faster with CAPS LOCK rather than SHIFT key.
[15:42] <zenn> well I think it is a nice issue to be fixed
[15:43] <zenn> the Caps lock Supposed to be work as AaAaAaAaAaAa each time you press it and not AAaaAAaa
[15:43] <zenn> check the code out in xorg server you will understand why I said it as such
[15:44] <pasiz> i think it depends on keyboard, my mechanical keytronic doesn't have that kind of sympton in new xorg
[15:44] <pasiz> so it affects only on usb or bluetooth keyboards
[15:44] <oerheks> pasiz, +1
[15:45] <zenn> https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/6691/
[15:45] <zenn> Accepted, archived
[15:45] <zenn> well yeah so something has to be done right
[15:45] <zenn> not everyone owns a machanical keyboard
[15:46] <zenn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg/Keyboard_configuration#Switching_state_immediately_when_Caps_Lock_is_pressed
[15:46] <zenn> there tons of report about this issue and it always go unanswer
[15:47] <pasiz> I bought these on middle 90's
[15:47] <zenn> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/312
[15:47] <pasiz> keytronic MPR II
[15:47] <pasiz> ;)
[15:47] <zenn> well hope someone flags it out to the developer team
[15:47] <zenn> or someone really look into it
[15:48] <pasiz> my logitech office connect broke today morning, so need to change to old and good keytronic ;)
[15:48] <zenn> There is an already reviewed patch that adds the missing support for nolock/nounlock to xkbcomp:
[15:48] <zenn> http://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/20376/
[15:48] <zenn> Support for output (libxkbfile and xserver) is in these patches, which also have already been reviewed:
[15:48] <zenn> http://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/203777/
[15:48] <zenn> http://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/20380/
[15:48] <zenn> I hope these patchen can be merged.
[15:48] <pasiz> i hope there is no fast pasting
[15:49] <zenn> well
[15:50] <zenn> I mean there are patches that was done but no one commited it
[15:50] <zenn> no idea why
[15:50] <zenn> and what it is here until today and no one fixed it at all, all there is a patch
[15:50] <pasiz> if patch is not conducting coding standards or constructed badly, that wouldn't be merged
[15:53] <zenn> well maybe
[15:53] <zenn> but I really hope it is fixed in future ubuntu updates
[16:04] <zenn> okay so what is snap store ?
[16:05] <zenn> is it same as Ubuntu Software
[16:05] <zenn> sorry I have returned back to Ubuntu after sometime
[16:06] <oerheks> snaps are available through softwarecenter too, snaps are published on snapcraft.io
[16:07] <zenn> is it merged with Ubuntu Software?
[16:08] <oerheks> why don't you take a look first?
[16:08] <oerheks> type firefox, and you get 2 instances
[16:08] <Khaotic> any idea why ubuntu doesnt constantly use my primary DNS server?
[16:09] <oerheks> if buzy, it grabs the 2nd dns??
[16:09] <Khaotic> yeah but it never goes back to the primary DNS
[16:09] <Khaotic> right now it's using my trimary DNS server
[16:09] <Khaotic> I am trying to get it to only use my pihole
[16:11] <oerheks> oh, i am not into pihole issues.
[16:15] <WeeDow> list
[16:16] <tomreyn> WeeDow: hi, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[16:19] <scrote> hello.
[16:20] <scrote> I need postgresql-11.10 to support a legacy app but the repo supplies on postgresql-12.  Where can I get the version I need ?
[16:27] <oerheks> postgresql-11.10 .. maybe the postgresql repo gives 11.10 ? https://computingforgeeks.com/install-postgresql-11-on-ubuntu-linux/
[16:32] <scrote> oerheks:  thanks.  I'll check that out.
[16:42] <scrote> what package is pgdg in?
[16:45] <ioria> scrote,  what you mean ? that's not a command
[16:45] <ioria> scrote,  pgdg = PostgreSQL Global Development Group
[16:47] <scrote> oh ok
[16:56] <tomreyn> scrote: postgresql's docuemntation on using this repository (which is not part of ubuntu, so we can't support software installed from it here) is at https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt
[16:56] <scrote> yep thanks.
[16:58] <Ublx> cbreak: what do you mean by changing GUIDs? what's the reason? and do you have a good source for a howto?
[16:59] <Ublx> jeremy31: found Clonezilla, too, but isn't dd the better solution? you've good success with clonezilla?
[17:00] <jeremy31> Ublx: clonezilla likely uses dd but it does show the device name and model of the HDD so you should be less likely to make a mistake
[17:01] <Ublx> EriC^^: I do not use both. I will just test the clone instead of the internal disk if it works right and then I will change the internal disk.
[17:02] <Ublx> jeremy31: okay, I understand. I will recheck it.
[17:03] <Ublx> Also, I'll read about cbreak s thoughts because maybe there will be any need to use both ... but I do not know yet about it ... maybe I could get any tips/links/..
[17:12] <cbreak> Ublx: don't remember how to do it, but basically, UUIDs should be unique. If you copy your partition table via dd, it won't be unique
[17:12] <cbreak> if you copy the filesystem with dd, then the FS won't have its own ID either
[17:12] <cbreak> I'd just not bother finding out, and create a new partition table from scratch
[17:13] <cbreak> and then copy the FS into that later
[17:34] <Ublx> thanks for your words and help cbreak!
[17:47] <robertparkerx> I want to move to leaseweb. They have a server with 2x 1tb SATA hdd. Is there a way I can make it so it is 2tb in /
[17:49] <robertparkerx> or even my host right now has the same
[17:49] <oerheks> ask leaseweb support?
[17:50] <oerheks> maybe you can, with dedicated hosting, i would standard think not.
[17:52] <robertparkerx> any vps hosting support will not help me
[17:52] <robertparkerx> I just thought I would ask ubuntu since it was my prefer OS
[17:52] <robertparkerx> Sorry
[18:12] <tomreyn> robertparkerx: you can actually create a raid-0 out of these two disks when installing ubuntu
[18:13] <tomreyn> that way you can have have ~1.8 TB capaity at /
[18:13] <tomreyn> but RAID-0 increases your chances of data loss compared to a single disk.
[18:17] <robertparkerx> dang
[18:17] <frostschutz> robertparkerx, possible with LVM or a multi-volume filesystem like zfs, btrfs
[18:17] <tomreyn> also mdadm
[18:17] <robertparkerx> still higher chance for data loss?
[18:18] <frostschutz> if it's a dedicated server with two drives, you're kind of supposed to do raid-1. if you don't, you risk data loss. your hoster won't help you either way, you are supposed to use backups
[18:20] <oerheks> does leaseweb offer a control panel?
[18:20] <frostschutz> you need backups even with raid-1
[18:36] <PeGaSuS> hello guys. I'm having a bit of an issue. I had to run Boot Repair and I'm getting the following error: GPT detected. Please create a BIOS-Boot partition (>1MB, unformatted filesystem, bios_grub flag). This can be performed via tools such as Gparted. Then try again.
[18:36] <PeGaSuS> Alternatively, you can retry after activating the [Separate /boot/efi partition:] option.
[18:37] <PeGaSuS> any ideas?
[18:37] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: it means you're trying to boot in legacy mode but with GPT, so you need a bios-boot partition to put grub there
[18:37] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: can you run 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' and paste the link here
[18:38] <PeGaSuS> EriC^^: right away
[18:39] <PeGaSuS> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/triy
[18:40] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: it looks like there's an efi partition, try 'sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999'
[18:41] <PeGaSuS> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/p65d
[18:42] <PeGaSuS> btw, before I forget, I have two additional OS's on an external HDD
[18:42] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: it looks good, the 2nd entry is the ubuntu one, let's make sure the PARTUUID's match and the file exists
[18:42] <PeGaSuS> but it isn't attached now
[18:42] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: type "sudo blkid /dev/mmcblk1p1"
[18:43] <EriC^^> confirm that PARTUUID is 1a114e42-f32f-4fc2-984c-39902bd870c0
[18:43] <PeGaSuS> /dev/mmcblk1p1: LABEL="SYSTEM" UUID="7CFF-5DFF" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI system partition" PARTUUID="1a114e42-f32f-4fc2-984c-39902bd870c0"
[18:43] <PeGaSuS> it matches
[18:43] <EriC^^> ok that looks good, type 'sudo mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt && ls -lR /mnt | nc termbin.com 9999'
[18:48] <PeGaSuS> my internet is being stupid today. it didn't even finished to "upload" the file
[18:48] <PeGaSuS> I mean, the output
[18:49] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: hmm, try "ls -l /mnt/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi"
[18:50] <PeGaSuS> output of previous command: https://termbin.com/8r66
[18:51] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: all looks good, what's happening when you turn the pc on with UEFI mode enabled?
[18:52] <PeGaSuS> that's what I find weird. the BIOS boot shows UEFI and even the USB label has UEFI along the USB label name and such
[18:52] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: is csm legacy set to off?
[18:53] <PeGaSuS> I did "update-grub" on my "main os" and on start I land on a black screen with "grub>"
[18:53] <EriC^^> you definitely do have uefi support from the motherboard, but it could be set to boot in legacy mode by default
[18:53] <PeGaSuS> default boot mode is UEFI iirc
[18:54] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: aha, which OS do you want to be doing the booting/showing grub?
[18:55] <PeGaSuS> EriC^^: I believe it's the one on /dev/mmcblk1p5
[18:55] <PeGaSuS> Ubuntu 20.04. that's the one I want as main OS
[18:56] <PeGaSuS> I have installed Linux Mint in an external HDD, booted into my "main os", did "update-grub" and got stuck
[18:56] <EriC^^> what happens when you boot without the external hdd's?
[18:57] <PeGaSuS> I am booting w/o the HDD
[18:57] <PeGaSuS> when I got stuck
[18:58] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: type 'sudo umount /mnt && sudo mount /dev/mmcblk1p5 /mnt'
[18:59] <PeGaSuS> done
[18:59] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: if it's showing grub> and not grub rescue> it means it was able to find the /boot dir on p5 to load the modules and other stuff, so that's good, but for some reason it's not displaying the menu
[18:59] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: type "ls -l /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[19:00] <PeGaSuS> EriC^^: -r--r--r-- 1 root root 8964 Mar  7 18:13 /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg
[19:00] <EriC^^> that looks right, type "for i in /dev /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done"
[19:01] <PeGaSuS> done
[19:01] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: sudo chroot /mnt
[19:01] <PeGaSuS> done
[19:02] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: mount -a
[19:02] <PeGaSuS> done
[19:02] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: type 'cat /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999'
[19:03] <EriC^^> that tells it where the modules are and to load the menu
[19:03] <PeGaSuS> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/j859
[19:04] <EriC^^> that looks odd since it's expecting hd0,msdos2 , you'd expect it to use hd0,gpt5
[19:04] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: what does 'blkid /dev/mmcblk1p5' give?
[19:05] <EriC^^> it's looking for ebbc5f48-b761-41bb-b229-025a81230c07 in the config as the root fs uuid
[19:05] <PeGaSuS> /dev/mmcblk1p5: UUID="5e8fa412-bd9b-415d-9556-4e0e98599388" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="d5966385-99b4-47b8-be19-c1426bc8c1b0"
[19:05] <EriC^^> aha, type 'grub-install'
[19:06] <PeGaSuS> done, no errors
[19:06] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: update-grub
[19:07] <PeGaSuS> EriC^^: done, with this output: https://termbin.com/0xjl1
[19:09] <EriC^^> looks good, try 'cat /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999' again
[19:09] <PeGaSuS> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/n6ov
[19:10] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: seems it changed the uuid, even though it's missing hd0,gpt5 i think it should suffice
[19:11] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: type 'exit' then try rebooting and see how it goes
[19:11] <PeGaSuS> right away. I'll be right back to give feedback
[19:11] <EriC^^> alright
[19:14] <PeGaSuS> EriC^^: so far so good. I'm in my main OS.
[19:15] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: great!
[19:15] <PeGaSuS> EriC^^: could you just give me a "cheat" list of the commands to fix this kinda of issue if it arises again?
[19:16] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: basically everything from the mount /dev/.... til the end
[19:17] <PeGaSuS> right. I'll join them all and save them on a github gist
[19:17] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: if you ever find the need, ive written a bunch of guides on booting issues here https://pchelp.youtubextras.com/topics/how-to-setup-a-chroot
[19:18] <PeGaSuS> I'll bookmark it. thanks again for all the help :D
[19:18] <PeGaSuS> you guys are just awesome
[19:18] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: no problem :D
[19:20] <PeGaSuS> btw, this might seem odd, but any ideas why the WiFi might be so slow on my laptop? I mean, Netflix/YouTube on it sometimes lags
[19:21] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: maybe there's a better driver for it, or some issue that might show up in 'dmesg'
[19:22] <EriC^^> you could try 'dmesg -w' in a terminal and see if anything shows up when it lags
[19:24] <PeGaSuS> this is my actual dmesg output: https://termbin.com/h2kg
[19:24] <EriC^^> it's a usb wifi?
[19:25] <Maxt3r> Hi, just installed Ubuntu 20.04 on my laptop, i missed the full disk encrypt. But do Ubuntu encrypt my home by default, cant find any info on this subject, really excited for this install though :D
[19:26] <PeGaSuS> EriC^^: no. its one of those silly notebooks(?), with 64Gb eMMC storage
[19:26] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: til now it looks ok, no reconnects or anything, 'sudo ubuntu-drivers devices' might list any recommended drivers
[19:26] <EriC^^> aha
[19:27] <PeGaSuS> basically a bity trashy but works so far for my needs, such as irc and text editing
[19:27] <PeGaSuS> 'sudo ubuntu-drivers devices' gave blank output
[19:28] <EriC^^> Maxt3r: no, by default it doesn't encrypt your home dir
[19:28] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: what does 'lshw -c network | nc termbin.com 9999' give?
[19:28] <Maxt3r> EriC^^: k :)
[19:29] <EriC^^> :)
[19:29] <PeGaSuS> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/6vaw
[19:30] <PeGaSuS> so, it seems a usb wifi hack lol
[19:31] <EriC^^> yeah :D
[19:31] <jeremy31> About the only alternative is https://github.com/lwfinger/rtl8723bu
[19:31] <EriC^^> maybe a newer kernel or something might have better support for it?
[19:31] <EriC^^> this seems interesting PeGaSuS https://askubuntu.com/questions/1117439/slow-wi-fi-connection
[19:33] <jeremy31> EriC^^: problem is that there is no antenna select parameter in rtl8xxxu
[19:33] <PeGaSuS> well, RIP
[19:34] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: The lwfinger module should be better than rtl8xxxu
[19:34] <PeGaSuS> fun fact is that when I use my android phone to do tethering, connection is waaay faster
[19:35] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: see if this helps>  sudo iwconfig wlxd4d2d61d4352 power off
[19:36] <jeremy31> Power management might be causing some issues
[19:36] <PeGaSuS> Error for wireless request "Set Power Management" (8B2C) : SET failed on device wlxd4d2d61d4352 ; Operation not supported.
[19:37] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: see the thread for some options, it's worth a shot
[19:37] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: See if power management is on in results>  iwconfig
[19:37] <PeGaSuS> jeremy31: power management is off
[19:38] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: try the lwfinger driver on github, you will have to blacklist rtl8xxxu
[19:38] <jeremy31> The dmesg showed that Secure Boot is disabled
[19:40] <PeGaSuS> jeremy31: just follow the instructions, blacklist rtl8xxxu and reboot?
[19:42] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: for testing, I would just clone, cd rtl8723bu, then try "make" and "sudo make install".  Then do a "make clean" blacklist rtl8xxxu and reboot
[19:42] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: See the part about changing Makefile to get rid of concurrent mode
[19:43] <PeGaSuS> gotcha
[19:58] <PeGaSuS> jeremy31: I assume i still have to 'sudo modprobe -v 8723bu'?
[19:58] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: I would just reboot if you have rtl8xxxu blacklisted
[19:59] <PeGaSuS> I get no wifi
[19:59] <jeremy31> check in terminal> lsmod | grep cfg
[20:00] <PeGaSuS> I had to enable rtl8xxxu so I could connect to wifi
[20:01] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: try>  sudo depmod -a
[20:01] <jeremy31> Then it should work on reboot
[20:02] <PeGaSuS> now I'm using rtl8xxxu. so, make, make install, sudo depmod -a, blacklist rtl8xxxu, rebbot?
[20:02] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: just run the sudo depmod -a   then reboot
[20:02] <PeGaSuS> but I need to blacklist rtl8xxxu again, right?
[20:03] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: you shouldn't it you put the blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/
[20:03] <PeGaSuS> I've done so. but i had to remove the file in order to reboot to have wifi again or i'd not be here
[20:04] <PeGaSuS> brb
[20:04] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: Redo the blacklist, then sudo depmod -a, reboot.  You could have just done sudo modprobe rtl8xxxu to load it even with the blacklist
[20:09] <PeGaSuS> jeremy31: with rtl8xxxu blacklisted I have no wifi connection whatsover
[20:10] <PeGaSuS> I'll take a look into the thread pointed by EriC^^
[20:11] <cbreak> I hope 21.04 will support Ryzen 5800X properly
[20:12] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: did you check to see if 8723bu was loaded?
[20:21] <cjoke> whats the apt for uninstall just the package and not the dependencies?
[20:25] <PeGaSuS> jeremy31: it was loaded and I even redone the steps 3 times more. it doesn't work for me. I have no wifi with 8723bu and 'modprobe rtl8xxxu' doesn't bring wifi on again
[20:25] <Maik> cjoke: what does google tell you?
[20:25] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: should check>  dmesg | grep 8723
[20:26] <Maik> cjoke: probably: sudo dpkg -r --force-depends <package_name>
[20:26] <Maik> https://techpiezo.com/linux/remove-a-package-without-removing-its-dependencies-in-ubuntu/
[20:26] <cjoke> thanks
[20:28] <Maik> yw
[20:28] <PeGaSuS> jeremy31: this is all I could find after the reboot to enable rtl8xxxu:https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Xbp6V9pk96/
[20:32] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS:  The 8723bu is loading but no reason why it isn't working
[20:32] <PeGaSuS> yeah, I know it's weird
[20:33] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: can you reboot with rtl8xxxu blacklisted and do>  dmesg > dmesg.txt  Then get connected and paste the dmesg.txt file to paste.ubuntu.com
[20:35] <PeGaSuS> jeremy31: sure. brb
[20:48] <PeGaSuS> jeremy31: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vK3N3JGYt5/
[20:48] <PeGaSuS> sorry, I had to go afk for a bit
[20:48] <PeGaSuS> s/had/have/
[20:52] <jeremy31> I would cd rtl8723bu and sudo make uninstall  The dmesg isn't showing any errors
[20:54] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: after that if you want to try one more thing, go into the Makefile, line 36 change CONFIG_POWER_SAVING = y to CONFIG_POWER_SAVING = n then try the make and sudo make install, blacklist rtl8xxxu and reboot
[20:59] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: I did a fork or lwfingers driver 2 years ago and the only changes made were https://github.com/jeremyb31/rtl8723bu/commit/59f5eea1e925fb96b42bd208c5d002e3a513b941#diff-76ed074a9305c04054cdebb9e9aad2d818052b07091de1f20cad0bbac34ffb52
[21:02] <PeGaSuS> jeremy31: I'm on my phone now. even with that change, I still have no WiFi
[21:03] <jeremy31> PeGaSuS: I am out of guesses, might have to stick with rtl8xxxu
[21:05] <PeGaSuS> thanks anyway
[21:30] <tosted> how to automaticaly create a usb ubuntu disk from debian?
[21:31] <tosted> netinst in usb stick!
[22:19] <isapgswell> how to control fans macbook air ubuntu 20.04
[22:19] <isapgswell> ?
[22:30] <m1-curious2> isapgswell, you gotta undervolt your cpu. the only thing that ever worked for me
[22:31] <m1-curious2> isapgswell, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Undervolting_CPU
[23:19] <sybariten> speaking in very very broad recommendations, what are the things to remember when doing an upgrade of distributions?
[23:19] <cbreak> have backups? :)
[23:19] <sybariten> This is on a remote VPS, and i won't need to do much myself to start/run the very upgrade, i believe, that's probabvly just a menu choice in the companys admin web console
[23:20] <sybariten> yeah but is that the homedir only or anything else?
[23:21] <Bashing-om> sybariten: revert back to as close to default as possible.
[23:21] <sybariten> Bashing-om: hmmm.... what does that mean?
[23:24] <tomreyn> sybariten: removing packages and package versions installed from 3rd party repositories and other 3rd party software.
[23:24] <tomreyn> apt policy, ppa-purge and apt-forktracer can help there
[23:26] <sybariten> tomreyn: oh .... i know nothing about this. Hmm. What's the idea of removing them?
[23:27] <tomreyn> having a supported system state before you start a release upgrade, so that the release upgrade own't run into an unresolvable dependencies situation
[23:32] <sybariten> Aha!
[23:33] <sybariten> And you say there are tools that can help me deduce a bit, what comes from a third party, if it was ages since i installed stuff and have forgotten
[23:35] <tomreyn> yes, this sums it up
[23:39] <sybariten> OK... good, thanks people!


[00:33] <LinAsH> bderrly : It works with this: export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=true
[00:36] <bderrly> LinAsH, thanks
[02:16] <khermans> are virtual terminals broken for anyone else since alpha2 ?
[02:16] <khermans> my thinkpad r52 didnt have issues in alpha21
[02:16] <khermans> alpha1
[02:16] <khermans> good to see xorg with fglrx is back working again
[02:16] <khermans> was b0rked after that update also
[02:18] <khermans> so if anyone else hasnt logged bug for broken virtual terminals, i will log it
[06:30] <abdulla> guys 1 question
[06:30] <abdulla> how good is hardy right now?
[06:44] <bazhang> still alpha2
[06:50] <WGGMk> who can I talk to about being "unbanned" from #ubuntu???
[06:50] <crdlb> WGGMk: #ubuntu-ops
[06:51] <WGGMk> crdlb: thank you very much
[08:24] <SeveredCross> Anyone else experienced almost constant Nautilus crashes?
[08:25] <Hobbsee> no
[08:25] <SeveredCross> Hmm. Might just be a peculiarity of my config then.
[08:25] <SeveredCross> May be TimeVault.
[16:01] <ader10> Hardy should have a graphical grub screen, as opposed to gutsy's current default white-and-black. The grub screen should look something like gutsy's current usplash, because at 60 hz with a crt, black backgrounds look ok but white looks ugly
[16:11] <bazhang> hmm
[16:11] <ader10> Or you guys could put some effort into the development of grub2
[16:12] <bazhang> I think #ubuntu-devel is the channel you want for that
[16:13] <Pici> ader10: Check the Hardy blueprints to see if anything you're requesting is already being worked on
[16:14] <ader10> Pici: ok
[16:14] <h3sp4wn> ader10: Its unlikely to be ubuntu who would do something like that
[16:15] <ader10> h3sp4wn: You sure? Ubuntu went for the eye candy in gutsy with compiz fusion
[16:15] <h3sp4wn> ader10: Sun might (as it currently has a boatload of patches that upstream grub will not accept as the original grub is legacy)
[16:16] <h3sp4wn> ader10: Yeah but they didn't write compiz fusion
[16:16] <ader10> They embraced it though
[16:16] <ader10> :P
[16:16] <ader10> what ever, as long as I have a free OS I'm alright :)
[16:16] <h3sp4wn> ader10: Thats different if someone else does the work required for grub2 to be an option they will embrace that
[16:17] <ader10> "someone else" = dev
[16:17] <h3sp4wn> ader10: Exactly - use what is best for you at any time
[16:17] <h3sp4wn> ader10: They don't work the same as most of the other big Linux companies
[16:18] <ader10> that's partly the reason of how successful it is
[16:18] <ader10> Novel... partnered... with...
[16:18] <ader10> Novell sucks, they basically made it legal for Microsoft to use open source code in windows
[16:18] <h3sp4wn> Yeah but they also wrote compiz
[16:19] <ader10> Yup
[16:19] <ader10> But they're falling for microsoft, Microsoft's "motto" is Extend, embrace, extinguish
[16:19] <ader10> it's worked so far for every company they work with
[16:20] <h3sp4wn> Sun is still around (and still has a good deal of cash)
[16:20] <ader10> I'm not aware of Sun doing much together with Microsoft
[16:21] <ader10> But then again I don't read digg :P
[16:21] <h3sp4wn> I don't read digg either (fortunately) computing equivalent of ok magazine
[16:33] <|bug``|> hi all ..
[16:35] <h3sp4wn> |bug``|: Hi
[18:44] <bmk789_> is there a good way to get a 2.6.24 kernel into gutsy?
[18:46] <WorkingOnWis1> bmk789_: I just saw a page on how to do this yesteday. but didnt pay much mind to it since I am in Hardy, but yes there is. google "hardy kernel gutsy and see what u get...
[18:46] <bmk789_> thanks
[18:47] <WorkingOnWis1> yw
[18:51] <DanaG> WTF?  I was just browsing through some pages, and xscreensaver locked TWICE.
[21:27] <awen_> how can you be sure that a variable is permanently exported? ... is it enough to put it in you .bashrc, will it then also apply to programs you run from the KDE-launcher etc.?
[21:31] <Dr_willis> normally you put that in the .bashrc or .bash_profile - correct..
[21:32] <Dr_willis> It will gety set when you login, and exported to all other running processes .
[21:33] <awen_> Dr_willis: thanks.. then i just have to do a restart or relogin some time :)
[21:34] <h3sp4wn> awen_: You can put it in /etc/environment if you want also
[21:35] <h3sp4wn> (If you want it for all users of the system)
[21:35] <awen_> okay :)
[21:36] <awen_> it's just for the "export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=true" to fix java... do we know what causes it?
[22:05] <h3sp4wn> awen_: Its to do with libxinerama
[22:06] <h3sp4wn> awen_: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6532373
[22:10] <awen_> so we suspect this to be a permanent problem for java 1.5 and 1.6 ... that's bad :/
[22:12] <h3sp4wn> awen_: Which app in particular is giving you the issues ?
[22:12] <h3sp4wn> If its one with its own bundled java (like Matlab) you can make it use the system java
[22:13] <awen_> h3sp4wn: a java-applet in firefox... i suppose this uses system java
[22:13] <awen_> but it should work with system java?
[22:14] <h3sp4wn> awen_: update-alternatives --list java
[22:16] <awen_> h3sp4wn: it points to java-6-sun
[22:20] <awen_> hmm... doesn't make any difference if java-1-5-0-sun or java-6-sun is chosen
[22:22] <crdlb> it's supposed to be fixed in the latest version of java
[22:22] <crdlb> (hardy is the first version of ubuntu to use xlib-xcb)
[22:23] <dennda> hey there
[22:24] <dennda> the latest x.org (7.3) in hardy also has better hotplug-support for external displays / beamers, hasn't it? (don't be afraid, I know that it is alpha and what that means)
[22:24] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: Really ? I thought it was just hacked around in gutsy
[22:24] <awen_> crdlb: only in java7 as far as i could read
[22:24] <crdlb> the problem didn't exist in gutsy
[22:24] <crdlb> because gutsy didn't use xlib-xcb
[22:24] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: It existed during the development of gutsy
[22:25] <h3sp4wn> This has been going on since at least feisty
[22:25] <crdlb> that's something else unrelated then
[22:25] <crdlb> this specific problem is new to hardy
[22:27] <h3sp4wn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/87390
[22:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87390 in libxcb "c->xlib.lock" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:27] <h3sp4wn> Its the exact same thing
[22:27] <awen_> night people... and thanks for info
[22:28] <bardyr> morning people
[22:28] <crdlb> those bug reports are not coming from stock systems
[22:28] <hyper_ch> hiho, how can I get KDE4 on hardy? I thought that would be installed by default
[22:29] <bardyr> hydrogen, sudo apt-get install kde4 ?
[22:29] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: Actually looking more closely they used libxcb for feisty then reverted for gutsy
[22:29] <hyper_ch> bardyr: ok ;)
[22:29] <h3sp4wn> But either way the problem has existed for ages and I have been affected by it for almost as long
[22:29] <hyper_ch> bardyr: btw, I just went to the restricted driver manager, it said a python lib is required. Is there a reason that one is not installed by default?
[22:30] <bardyr> hyper_ch, its and early alpha release?
[22:30] <bardyr> idk
[22:30] <bardyr> hydrogen, kubuntu?
[22:31] <hyper_ch> bardyr: I know :) but it tells you once you go to the system settings... so I was just curious
[22:31] <bardyr> hyper_ch, it should be installed by default and probably going to
[22:32] <crdlb> h3sp4wn: there are many problems with the same symptoms :)
[22:32] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: That is the exact same problem
[22:33] <crdlb> hardy is the first ubuntu release to compile libX11 against libxcb
[22:33] <h3sp4wn> Feisty did
[22:35] <hyper_ch> well, I installed now kde4 but how do I run it?
[22:36] <bardyr> hyper_ch, logout and there will be and option under session when you login
[22:36] <bardyr> i think
[22:36] <hyper_ch> bardyr: nothing there :(
[22:36] <hyper_ch> bardyr: I did install kde4 with aptitude... but that fetched only very little
[22:37] <pvandewyngaerde> i installed from svn, and i update daily
[22:38] <bardyr> pvandewyngaerde, i dont know if i should use kde4 or wait to kde 4.1
[22:40] <pvandewyngaerde> depends, if you want stable/polished stay with 3.5
[22:40] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: try - dpkg -S startkde
[23:20] <DanaG> WARNING **: Given device '/dev/mmcblk0p1' is not a volume or a drive.
[23:20] <DanaG> WTF?


[07:03] <tjaalton> jcristau: prevents upgrades, says slangasek
[07:04] <tjaalton> jcristau: sorry for not mentioning that in the first place :)
[07:05] <jcristau> so what should i do to get the package manager to remove the obsolete package?
[07:09] <tjaalton> Replaces should do according to him
[07:10] <jcristau> hrm. i thought replaces was about replacing files. /me goes read policy.
[07:11] <RAOF> I've missed the first part of this, but Conflicts+Replaces sounds like what you want, I think.
[07:12] <jcristau> oh. 7.6.2.
[07:17] <jcristau> Replaces: libxcb-xlib0 is enough, or do i add the -dev?
[07:20] <tjaalton> if libxcb1-dev replaces libxcb-xlib0-dev, then perhaps
[07:21] <jcristau> installing the new libxcb1 breaks libxcb-xlib0, and thus also libxcb-xlib0-dev
[07:23] <jcristau> so i'm not sure explicitly replacing is needed. and if it is where it should be.
[07:23] <jcristau> (also fwiw 'apt-get -t experimental dist-upgrade' does remove libxcb-xlib0)
[07:24] <jcristau> gah, s/explicitly replacing/& libxcb-xlib0-dev/ above.
[07:27] <tjaalton> works here too, but I'm just the middle-man :)
[07:28] <jcristau> bad vorlon.
[07:28] <tjaalton> maybe prod him on #debian-x :)
[07:53] <jcristau> that worked :)
[07:54] <tjaalton> yeah :)
[08:26] <tjaalton> turns out to be quite hard to debug a crashing xserver on acpi resume
[08:27] <jcristau> last time that turned up, screen came to the rescue
[08:27] <tjaalton> maybe I didn't use the correct options for gdb
[08:28] <jcristau> you told it to not stop on sigusr1?
[08:29] <tjaalton> I did now, let's see
[08:31] <tjaalton> hey, I've got a backtrace
[08:31] <tjaalton> let's try with -dbg
[08:36] <tjaalton> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=22303
[13:34] <ogra> tjaalton, seems ouchscreens with the new evdev infrastructure dont work at all ... (just got some user feedback, didnt look myself yet)
[13:38] <tjaalton> ogra: that's unfortunate
[13:39] <tjaalton> tseliot: new nvidia*.. but you probably knew that already :)
[13:39] <ogra> yes, StevenK tested it today and he sees no motion at all tapping or touching the screen
[13:39] <tjaalton> does evdev pick the device?
[13:39] <ogra> it should at least show some miscalibrated movement
[13:40] <tjaalton> logs etc in a bug report would be nice :)
[13:40] <jcristau> and evtest output probably
[13:40] <tjaalton> yes
[13:41] <tjaalton> tseliot: oh, they still don't support the current ABI
[13:42] <tjaalton> seems that aaron didn't get his message through
[13:42] <tjaalton> (or the got problems)
[13:42] <tjaalton> *they
[13:43] <tjaalton> hmm, legacy drivers apparently do support the new ABI
[13:48] <tseliot> tjaalton: maybe he forgot to add a note about the new ABI in the changelog
[13:48] <tseliot> I'll test them
[13:48] <tjaalton> could be
[13:49] <tjaalton> Maple v12 crashed my jaunty today.. after I resized the window. I blame nvidia :)
[13:49] <tseliot> well, running drivers with IgnoreABI is not recommended ;)
[13:50] <tjaalton> yeah..
[13:50] <tseliot> but I do it
[13:50] <tjaalton> I'd like to listen to my music though
[13:50] <tjaalton> no sound on the desktop or the laptop..
[13:50] <tseliot> don't resize the window then
[13:51] <tseliot> or is it pulseaudio?
[13:51] <tjaalton> of course it works now, can't reproduce it :)
[13:51] <tseliot> hehe
[13:51] <tjaalton> I've had issues with sound since pa 0.9.14 was uploaded
[13:51] <tjaalton> well, no sound
[13:52] <tseliot> audio is choppy here e.g. when I switch between windows
[13:53] <tjaalton> for instance the playing doesn't even start, it just hangs there
[13:53] <tjaalton> +in rhythmbox
[13:53] <tjaalton> and if I kill pa, no sound
[13:54] <tseliot> :-/
[13:54] <tseliot> did you talk to theMuso about it?
[13:55] <tjaalton> yes
[13:55] <tseliot> no solution?
[13:55] <tjaalton> he could reproduce some of the issues, but no solution
[13:55] <tseliot> ok, then
[13:55] <tjaalton> for instance alsamixer fails to start
[13:55] <tseliot> pulse_haters++
[13:55] <tseliot> but isn't that a bug in alsa?
[13:56] <tjaalton> that too
[13:57] <tjaalton> but I'm hopeful that the commits he requested for the kernel might help
[14:01] <tseliot> keep your fingers crossed then
[14:12] <tjaalton> I will..
[14:15] <ogra> tjaalton, hrm
[14:16] <ogra> so i'm trying out the samsung Q1 with the new ubuntu-netbook-remix image ... it still includes evtouch ... lshal shows me though that "synaptics" is forcefully used for the touchscreen
[14:16] <ogra> while the evtouch initscript seems to have run and all calibration data is applied
[14:16] <ogra> shouldnt it use evdev ?
[14:17] <ogra> instead of synaptics
[14:17] <tjaalton> yes
[14:17] <tjaalton> but that depends what the new image holds
[14:17] <jcristau> sounds like it shouldn't be reported as a touchpad..
[14:17] <tjaalton> +on
[14:17] <tjaalton> right
[14:18] <ogra> well, lshal shows capabilities input and input.touchpad ... where does touchpad get set  ?
[14:18] <ogra> is there an fdi i can mangle ?
[14:18] <jcristau> probably hal source
[14:19] <tjaalton> ogra: what version of hal?
[14:19] <jcristau> and probably based on what the kernel reports about the device
[14:19] <tjaalton> I bet it's too old
[14:19] <ogra> its todays image build
[14:19] <ogra> so whatever is in the archive atm
[14:19] <tjaalton> ok, maybe hal is still missing something.. bug pitti :)
[14:20] <ogra> git20090120-0ubuntu1
[14:43] <tseliot> seb128, mvo: can you merge from my branch, please? https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/gnome-control-center/randr-virtual
[15:02] <tseliot> seb128, mvo: this adds the DontZap checkbox to enable users to decide whether Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can restart X or not
[15:44] <superm1> tseliot, while you are getting the upload ready for the new drivers, did you have a fix queued for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/309116 ?
[15:45] <tseliot> superm1: I won't upload the new drivers without fixing that first
[15:45] <tseliot> ;)
[15:45] <superm1> tseliot, okay :)
[17:29] <bryce> morning
[17:43] <bryce> I spoke with amd this morning and asked them for a date on when they expect to provide a 1.6/.28 compatible fglrx
[17:44] <bryce> they didn't have that info currently but will try to get it by the end of the week
[17:47] <tjaalton> ok
[17:47] <tjaalton> nvidia released new versions of the legacy drivers
[17:47] <bryce> sweet
[17:48] <bryce> yeah amd seemed a bit surprised that we were planning on 1.6 for 9.04.  I had to remind them I emailed them a month and a half ago that this was our plan
[17:49] <tjaalton> heh
[18:02] <superm1> bryce, any indications from them if a driver will be coming more than 1 month prior to release this time around?
[18:04] <bryce> superm1: I pressed them on giving us a date.  they said they'll get back to us after they've "scrubbed their schedule"
[18:06] <bryce> I would be feeling frustrated if the deja vu feelings weren't keeping me in such mirth
[18:13] <federico1> mister bryce
[18:13] <bryce> superm1: anyway, so I sense we're going to be in about the same situation as last time, despite our efforts.
[18:13] <federico1> I resurrected the 10-second confirmation dialog for the RANDR tools and committed it to gnome svn
[18:13] <bryce> federico1: oh interesting
[18:14] <superm1> bryce, oh that's too bad :(
[18:14] <federico1> bryce: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545115
[18:14] <superm1> bryce, well at least this time, all the packaging is ready and it's at least easy to update new drops etc
[18:15] <federico1> bryce: are you or anyone here in distributor-list?
[18:15] <federico1> I'll post an evil patch to deal with wacom tablets and RANDR
[18:15] <bryce> federico1: "distributor-list"?  first I've heard of that; what is it?
[18:16] <bryce> federico1: thanks for committing that revert dialog patch; I'd been disappointed that it hadn't been taken previously
[18:16] <tseliot> federico1: what's the plan on wacom tablets?
[18:17] <bryce> superm1: yep.
[18:17] <federico1> bryce<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:18] <bryce> federico1: ah, I bet seb128 is on that list, he usually handles the gnome interfacing
[18:19] <federico1> ah, ok
[18:19] <federico1> tseliot: one sec, meeting
[21:28] <kees> fun
[21:28] <kees> [ 6009.433242] mtrr: no MTRR for f0000000,100000 found
[21:28] <kees> [ 6009.604066] Xorg[12735] general protection ip:4961b6 sp:7ffff1fccde0 error:0 in Xorg[400000+1c2000]
[21:28] <kees> 64bit jaunty under kvm
[21:31] <superm1> kees, i've been seeing mtrr: no MTRR for e0000000,10000000 on real systems, is there any significance to what that's representing?
[21:41] <kees> superm1: not sure.  :(
[21:41] <superm1> kees, oh okay.  just wasn't sure what MTRR was an abbreviation for.
[21:44] <bryce> I've seen reports about that
[21:45] <bryce> btw speaking of acronyms I finally learned what fglrx stands for...  "FireGL and Radeon for X"
[21:45] <bryce> MTRR == Memory Type Range Registers maybe?
[21:45] <bryce> http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/mtrr.txt
[21:57] <kees> bryce: ah! I've always wondered wtf fglrx stood for.  :)
[21:58] <tormod> well we always knew it was an f-word
[22:00] <tormod> bryce: landslide in radeon git today - what are your plans for updating jaunty? There's some agp quirks etc that otherwise could be cherrypicked
[22:01] <tjaalton> bryce: got a patch from jesse for the interrupt loss when using vblank, will try it out tomorrow
[22:03] <tjaalton> against the kernel(drm) though, so a bit harder to get through if it works
[22:17] <bryce> tjaalton, ok
[22:17] <bryce> tormod: I anticipate updating -ati at least once more before we're done with jaunty
[22:18] <bryce> even if that might mean shipping a git snapshot.  A release would be nice of course, but we've shipped git snapshots before
[22:25] <tormod> bryce: good
[22:26] <bryce> tormod: at some point post-beta I also will be pulling any outstanding quirks for both -ati and -intel