[04:22] <Alabaster> I just set up IRC in what's been years. I safely assume I might be in a room that will just annoy someone with my questions..
[04:23] <Alabaster> that is if anyone is here
[05:48] <hyperair> nope, nobody's here. not at all
[05:48]  * hyperair hides in a corner


[06:44] <sboysel> has anyone tried the new system76 laptops?
[04:57] <GCReady> are there any good reviews out for the dell lappys with fiesty preinstalled?


[00:31] <RoAkSoAx> Heya guys, If an application has a module for pulseaudio, should we enable it to be built?
[00:35] <ajmitch> I'd say yes, TheMuso could probably give a better answer :)
[00:36] <RoAkSoAx> thanks ajmitch :)
[00:36] <RoAkSoAx> TheMuso, ping?
[01:02] <marnold> can someone look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-themes-extras/+bug/377407
[01:06] <marnold> I want to get it in before I get another serious illness
[01:06]  * masterkernel is away: not here right now
[01:10] <RoAkSoAx> TheMuso, I'm merging xmp and before finishing, I was wondering if I should apply the patch attached here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmp/+bug/393718
[01:10] <marnold> i got H1N1 like 5 days after i submitted that, that lasted 2 weeks and then i get a weeks worth of migrans after my last comment on it so I'm beginning to think its bad luck
[01:11] <marnold> :|
[01:14] <quidnunc> Is firefox-3.5 being backported for jaunty?
[01:16] <micahg> quidnunc: there will be security updates for Jaunty
[01:17] <quidnunc> micahg: But not the official release?
[01:18] <micahg> yes, the official release will be an updates
[01:18] <micahg> in jaunty/updates
[01:18] <micahg> in the next few days
[01:18] <micahg> and security updates will also be for Jaunty
[01:19] <quidnunc> micahg: Is there a timeline for the official relase in jaunty planned?
[01:19] <micahg> no
[01:19] <micahg> asap
[01:25] <quidnunc> 3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 was release to karmic an hour ago according to launchpad. Why does rmadison still give the version as being rc2?
[01:25] <micahg> quidnunc: it has a little lag
[01:26] <quidnunc> micahg: What is it sourced from?
[01:26] <micahg> idk
[01:26] <micahg> is it built in karmic yet?
[01:26] <quidnunc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5
[01:27] <quidnunc> what is idk
[01:27] <micahg> i don't know
[01:27] <micahg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/firefox-3.5/3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[01:27] <micahg> still building
[01:32] <quidnunc> Is there a page with currently building and queued packages?
[01:33] <directhex> yes.
[01:33] <quidnunc> directhex: Is it public?
[01:34] <directhex> yes!
[01:34] <directhex> https://launchpad.net/builders shows current build behaviour
[01:34] <quidnunc> directhex, micahg: Thanks
[01:35] <micahg> np quidnunc
[02:15] <panaggio> I'm installing a package here that has libg2c0-dev as a dependency. Is this package no longer supported by ubuntu community?
[02:15] <panaggio> the last release that supported it was hardy
[02:16] <ajmitch> try libg2-dev instead
[02:21] <panaggio> ajmitch: I think they're a bit different
[02:22] <panaggio> the one I need stands for Fortran 77
[02:22] <ajmitch> sorry, I misread the apt-cache output
[02:22] <panaggio> whereas the one you suggested offers 2D graphics
[02:23] <panaggio> ajmitch: no problem
[02:23] <ajmitch> libg2c0 comes from the gcc-3.4 source, and it doesn't appear to build a -dev package
[02:24] <panaggio> ajmitch: but there was this package in hardy http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/libg2c0-dev
[02:26] <ajmitch> which appears to no longer be built
[02:29] <ScottK> I have a vague recollection of us getting out of the Fortran 77 business.
[02:30]  * ajmitch remembers laserjock complaining about it at one point
[02:34] <micahg> do we really need 5 versions of gcc?
[02:36] <micahg> is there anything that even uses gcc-3.4 anymore?
[02:40] <ScottK> micahg: Yes.  There is.  We remove them when nothing uses them anymore.
[02:41] <ScottK> It's actually 6 in Karmic.
[02:42] <micahg> there are 6 that depend on it?
[02:43] <ScottK> No, 6 gcc versions.
[02:43] <ScottK> Picked up 4.4 and didn't lose any yet.
[02:43] <micahg> oh
[02:43] <ScottK> I note 3.3 is still there.  Not sure why.
[02:44]  * ajmitch is glad we don't have 2.95 still
[02:45]  * RAOF fondly remembers some development on Windows with gcc 2.95
[02:45] <micahg> 3.3's only source at this point seemingly
[02:46]  * ScottK remembers filing the removal bug for 2.95 (during Hardy)
[02:46] <ScottK> micahg: That and libstdc++5
[02:46] <ajmitch> those fond memories of c++ fun
[02:46] <ScottK> libstdc++5 has no reverse build depends, so I suspect this can go.
[02:47] <micahg> Can I look those up through rdepends?
[02:47] <ajmitch> I think it may have been kept around for those old pieces of proprietary software
[02:47] <ScottK> Also looks like glassfish-bin somehow cares.
[02:48] <ScottK> micahg: You need the reverse-build-depends script in ubuntu-dev-tools.
[02:48] <micahg> ah
[02:48] <ScottK> micahg: Or apt-cache rdepends for run time dependencies.
[02:48] <ScottK> Of which libstdc++5 has some.
[02:50] <kb9vqf_> ScottK: UT2004 (a somewhat popular game that was released for Windows and Linux) still uses libstdc++5
[02:50]  * kb9vqf_ thinks it might not be a good idea to remove it
[02:51] <ajmitch> there are a few like that
[02:52] <ScottK> Killing off 4.1 might be a better shot.
[03:10] <sattam> hi  , we have arabic issue in the Firfox 3.5 : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=499538 , ubuntu going to patch it  ?
[03:11] <ScottK> sattam: Try in #ubuntu-mozillateam.
[03:13] <sattam> ScottK: thanks
[05:49] <slytherin> persia: there?
[07:25] <quadrispro> hi guys, any archive admin around?
[07:29] <StevenK> quadrispro: To do what ... ?
[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[07:30] <fabrice_sp> Hi. Any MOTU willing to sponsor bug #337337? I'd like to do a SRU after upload in Karmic
[07:31] <quadrispro> hi StevenK! yesterday I pushed a package into the NEW queue (mp3diags) after 2 advocates on REVU but I would ask you to drop it because I forgot to add a little stuff :)
[07:31] <StevenK> quadrispro: I'm happy to reject it, just a moment.
[07:31] <quadrispro> but now I can't see mp3diags in the queue, probably it was already removed
[07:32] <quadrispro> buongiorno dholbach!
[07:32] <StevenK> quadrispro: I can't either
[07:33] <dholbach> hi quadrispro!
[07:33] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[07:34] <dholbach> evanrmurphy: regarding your edit of PackagingGuide/Complete: one is about building a binary package, the other one about building a source package
[07:34] <quadrispro> very well, so I can upload the fixed package. thanks StevenK
[07:34] <dholbach> hiya ajmitch
[07:34] <dholbach> evanrmurphy: I hope you don't mind me removing the comment
[07:43] <geser> good morning
[07:44] <dholbach> hi geser
[08:07] <fabrice_sp> quadrispro, about Bug #394142
[08:08] <fabrice_sp> I have a debdiff (I was waiting for build before opening the bug report)
[08:08] <fabrice_sp> is it too late?
[08:08] <fabrice_sp> (by the way: good morning everybody!)
[08:10] <quadrispro> buongiorno fabrice_sp, I think it had better wait to see if new release comes from debian
[08:11] <fabrice_sp> quadrispro, the bug report is from November, but ok
[08:11] <quadrispro> fabrice_sp: mmm
[08:12] <slytherin> quadrispro: it is better to wait if there is a bug opened in debian about same FTBFS. By the way AFAIK, Debian has not switched to GCC-4.4 yet.
[08:13] <fabrice_sp> slytherin, even if the bug is 8 month old?
[08:13] <fabrice_sp> bug report, I mean
[08:14] <slytherin> fabrice_sp: in that case no. If the bug report in Debian is 8 months old it makes sense to fix it in Ubuntu and forward the patch to Debian.
[08:14] <fabrice_sp> ok
[08:14] <quadrispro> fabrice_sp: could you get in touch with the Debian maintainer to know what he would to do?
[08:15] <quadrispro> fabrice_sp: however, please attach the patch to the report
[08:16] <fabrice_sp> quadrispro, sure, but as last comment was that he prefers to wait for upstream, I'm not sure it will make things go further
[08:16] <fabrice_sp> but I'll attach the patch, anyway
[08:20] <fabrice_sp> done
[08:21] <slytherin> maxb: ping. You haven't logged sync bug for libjaudiotagger-java
[08:39] <DanMcGoo> hi
[08:39] <DanMcGoo> I am trying to build a package with pbuilder, but I get the following error:
[08:40] <DanMcGoo> pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libcmpicppimpl0-dev which is a virtual package.
[08:40] <DanMcGoo> any idea ?
[08:44] <DanMcGoo> ok I found the solution thanks
[09:52] <rawang> freeflying, ping
[09:53] <freeflying> rawang: pong
[09:54] <rawang> freeflying, hi, i'm planning to apply MOTU, and need sponsor, could you please be my sponsor?
[09:54] <freeflying> rawang: cool, it should be fine
[09:55] <rawang> freeflying, please add endorsements on my wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RayWang
[09:55] <freeflying> rawang: you mean now?
[09:55] <Laney> rawang: I'm not being funny, but I don't see any uploads credited to you. Have you done any?
[09:56] <rawang> freeflying, take your time :)
[09:56] <rawang> Laney, yes
[09:57] <rawang> freeflying, Laney , and also, i need a sponsor to review my package :)   http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/strongwind
[09:57] <freeflying> rawang: at least you'd work with a team for an release cycle :)
[09:58] <ajmitch> Laney: most of his stuff I've seen on the debian-cli list :)
[09:58] <rawang> freeflying, did you remember you asked to resolved the license problem of the package? i finally resolve it.
[09:58] <Laney> ajmitch: Yeah I saw those too...
[09:58] <ajmitch> rawang: have you got any of that into ubuntu yet?
[09:58] <rawang> ajmitch, Laney I'm working mono a11y stuff
[09:58] <rawang> ajmitch, no
[09:59] <Laney> rawang: we would probably want you to have a fair amount of sponsored uploads
[09:59] <rawang> ajmitch, the packages are waiting for directhex to review, and then push into debian first
[10:00] <rawang> Laney, sure, then let's sponsor my first package please :)
[10:00]  * Laney wibbles
[10:00] <Laney> maybe when I finish work
[10:00] <directhex> oh damn, that fell off my radar
[10:01] <rawang> directhex,  ;)
[10:01] <directhex> i was at a conference! and it's been really hot lately!
[10:02] <freeflying> rawang: cool, in meeting, talk to you later
[10:02] <rawang> directhex, yeah, I understand :)
[10:02] <rawang> freeflying, sure
[10:02] <rawang> freeflying, thank you
[10:02] <freeflying> rawang: np
[10:03] <rawang> Laney, and also , i have filed the bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/380496
[10:05] <rawang> could some one be my sponsor?
[10:08] <directhex> GAH, GIT
[10:09] <RAOF> Heh.
[10:09] <rawang> directhex,  Could you please review my new upload for mono a11y package on your spare time? i hope it won't fell off your radar any more :)
[10:12] <slytherin> jmarsden: Do you have any plans about updating iriverter?
[10:19] <recreatedme> sorry for this noob question, but where do i properly seek mentorship?
[10:20] <maxb> slytherin: pong. Have been struggling in vain to find some sort of Debian (not Ubuntu) policy to verify that upstreaming Build-Depends: s/default-jdk-builddep/default-jdk/ is valid
[10:23] <gaspa> recreatedme: what do you exactly mean? have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring ?
[10:25] <recreatedme> gaspa, it would seem, what i'm looking for is "preparing new packages" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing
[10:27] <gaspa> recreatedme: I think mentoring program concern also 'new packages'. But i'm not directly involved in. I can assure you.
[10:27] <recreatedme> though would that still be ok? if i already uploaded in mentors.debian?
[10:27] <recreatedme> ah i see
[10:28] <gaspa> ubuntu as revu in place of mentors.debian...
[10:28] <gaspa> s/as/has
[10:29] <recreatedme> yeah, so if someone would actually offer mentorship in debian, which seems hard to come by..
[10:29] <rawang> I'm also seeking mentors (sponsors) for my new package
[10:29] <recreatedme> which would be advisable?
[10:30] <recreatedme> to revu or to mentor?
[10:31] <gaspa> recreatedme: i'm a bit confused. Are you searching sponsors for new packages in debian or ubuntu?
[10:32] <recreatedme> at first in debian, but seeing so many packages pushed there for mentorship, i'm considering ubuntu
[10:33] <gaspa> recreatedme: if you're searching for debian, it'd be better asking in debian channels. otherwise, use REVU.
[10:36] <rawang> gaspa, I'm also want some people to be my sponsor, where is the place to find those people?
[10:36] <rawang> gaspa, the wiki said, i have to have at least 3-5 sponsors
[10:36] <rawang> for new package
[10:36] <gaspa> rawang: sponsors for what?
[10:36] <gaspa> ah
[10:37] <rawang> gaspa, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/380496
[10:37] <rawang> gaspa,  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/strongwind
[10:37] <recreatedme> gaspa: i'm actually not just searching for package reviewer, but also try to seek advice as to weather wait for mentorship in debian? or actively seek revu'ers in ubuntu.
[10:38] <Laney> don't wait for a debian sponsor, hunt one out
[10:38] <recreatedme> laney, ah so that's the name of game :)
[10:39] <Laney> find a packaging team that deals in your area
[10:39] <gaspa> rawang: you need at least two motu that assure that you're package is ok.
[10:40] <recreatedme> i just thought it was just upload a package for review in mentors then just sit tight, heheh i guess not :D
[10:40] <gaspa> recreatedme: you'd be pretty lucky...
[10:40] <rawang> gaspa, ok, i can  have freeflying as one of them, but what i have remembered directhex was not a MOTU?
[10:40] <recreatedme> gaspa, true
[10:41] <rawang> gaspa, so would you mind to be my sponsor? :)
[10:41] <fabrice_sp> rawang, I still don't understand what you are looking for
[10:42] <fabrice_sp> if you want your package to be reviewed, just request it
[10:42] <fabrice_sp> if you want to become a MOTU, you ahve a long way in front of you
[10:42] <gaspa> fabrice_sp: :)
[10:42] <fabrice_sp> and a lot aof debdiff sponsored
[10:42] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[10:43] <rawang> fabrice_sp, ok, I'm looking for sponsors to review my new packages, and I'd like to be a MOTU, so i still need sponsors  to grant me :)
[10:43] <gaspa> rawang: I never reviewed a package, so don't expect an "ACK" from me, but Ill take a look.
[10:43] <gaspa> "I'll"
[10:43] <rawang> gaspa, sure, thank you
[10:43] <freeflying> rawang: r u mean mentors?
[10:44] <rawang> mentors are for packages, sponsors are for MOTU?
[10:44] <fabrice_sp> rawang, for the REVU part, just post the link, and request for review. For MOTU, submit a lot of debdiff closing bugs ;-)
[10:44] <fabrice_sp> sponsor is the MOTU that accept to 'sponsor' your upload, using a debdiff. The debdiff is a way to submit a change to an existing pacakge
[10:45] <fabrice_sp> closing a bug report
[10:45] <fabrice_sp> so first, find the bug, post the debdiff that fix it, and then request sponsoship
[10:45] <slytherin> rawang: you need 2 advocates for new packages not 3-5. And directhex is a MOTU.
[10:46] <rawang> ok, now I understand
[10:46] <fabrice_sp> when you get known, reliable, and after a lot of upload, you can apply for motuship
[10:46] <fabrice_sp> so I think you're looking for reviewers
[10:46] <fabrice_sp> :-D
[10:46] <rawang> OK, first of all, I need someone to review my new package, and help to upload :)
[10:47] <fabrice_sp> url?
[10:47] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[10:47] <slytherin> rawang: by the way, creating new packages i not the only path towards motuship. you can fix packages, help with important transitions etc. I believe there are few MOTUs who have never created packages from scratch.
[10:47] <rawang> fabrice_sp, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/strongwind
[10:48] <fabrice_sp> rawang, your package build fine in Karmic?
[10:48] <rawang> slytherin, oh, yeah. thanks for telling that. It's helpful :)
[10:48] <rawang> fabrice_sp, yep
[10:48] <fabrice_sp> I'll check ;-)
[10:49] <rawang> fabrice_sp, https://launchpad.net/~raywang/+archive/ppa,   the only difference between my upload on REVU and there is add a COPYING file
[10:50] <rawang> fabrice_sp, since I can't update the built package on my PPA, what I only could do is raise the version number which i don't want :(
[10:52] <rawang> slytherin, for being a package maintainer, how many packages I should maintain could help me to be a MOTU?
[10:52] <Laney> rawang: Don't worry about that, when you're ready people will tell you
[10:52] <Laney> there's no fixed number
[10:52] <rawang> Laney, yeah, I know, I mean at least :)
[10:52]  * Laney shrugs
[10:52] <Laney> "some"
[10:52] <slytherin> rawang: It is more about quality. When people are confident about you, they will tell you.
[10:53] <Laney> if you want to focus only on your own packages you can get upload rights just for those ones
[10:53] <rawang> Laney, slytherin ok, i see ;)
[10:53] <Laney> MOTU isn't just about maintaining our own packages, we do lots of other stuff too
[10:54] <rawang> Laney, hmm, not sure, I think i'll probably focus on my own packages
[10:54] <rawang> Laney, ok
[10:55] <fabrice_sp> rawang, lintian throw me that warnings:
[10:55] <fabrice_sp> W: python-strongwind: copyright-lists-upstream-authors-with-dh_make-boilerplate
[10:55] <fabrice_sp> W: python-strongwind: copyright-contains-dh_make-todo-boilerplate
[10:55] <fabrice_sp> fabrice@fabrice-desktop:~/data/build/revu$
[10:55] <rawang> Laney, so that means focus on one's package is not enough or incompetent to be a MOTU? :)
[10:55] <fabrice_sp> rawang, nop
[10:55] <Laney> more, I think it means that you want per-package uploader rights
[10:55] <fabrice_sp> have a look at my launchpad account, and you'll see: i'm not yet a motu
[10:56] <rawang> fabrice_sp, will do
[10:56] <rawang> Laney, yeah, maybe
[10:58] <rawang> fabrice_sp, btw, where is your lp account? I can't find any PPA from your lp account page
[11:03] <fabrice_sp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~fabricesp
[11:03] <fabrice_sp> I built it locally
[11:03] <fabrice_sp> with sbuild
[11:04] <rawang> fabrice_sp, I use pbuilder, is that ok?
[11:04] <fabrice_sp> but you can use pbuilder
[11:04] <fabrice_sp> yes :-.)
[11:04] <rawang> hehe :)
[11:04] <rawang> sbuild is yet another build system?
[11:05] <fabrice_sp> !sbuild
[11:05] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[11:05] <rawang> super! ;)
[11:06] <fabrice_sp> it's the same except that i's using LVM partitions
[11:06] <rawang> !pbuilder
[11:06] <fabrice_sp> to have this lintian erros, you ahve to run lintian on the deb
[11:06] <rawang> fabrice_sp, ok, i have resolve all the warnings?
[11:07] <recreatedme> quick question on lintian warning, does one really have to eradicate it?
[11:07] <recreatedme> or depends?
[11:07] <rawang> s/have/have to/
[11:07] <RAOF> Unless you're running lintian with the pedantic option, fixing all the warnings is a great idea.
[11:08] <fabrice_sp> rawang, yes, becvause htey mean that somes files are not clean
[11:08] <recreatedme> RAOF: ah ok :)
[11:08] <fabrice_sp> in this case, it's about dh_make boilerplate
[11:09] <rawang> fabrice_sp, ok, i'll re-upload when i fix those warnings ;)
[11:09] <fabrice_sp> great :-)
[11:10] <rawang> fabrice_sp, thanks! ;)
[11:10] <fabrice_sp> yw
[11:14] <fabrice_sp> rawang, by the way, for the copyright file, you can use this http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat?action=recall&rev=196 format
[11:15] <rawang> fabrice_sp, it's generated by dh_make
[11:15] <fabrice_sp> rawang, but you have to edit it, and put the right content
[11:16] <fabrice_sp> it's a VERY important file
[11:16] <RAOF> fabrice_sp: You might want to be linking to DEP5 instead?_ http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/
[11:17] <rawang> fabrice_sp, yes, i miss removing some commented lines, i'll fix  that :)
[11:17] <fabrice_sp> RAOF, you're right. rawang please have a look at RAOF link
[11:17] <rawang> okeedokee
[12:23] <geser> gaspa: I'm not an expert for launchpadlib but I know how to use it. Why are you asking?
[12:32] <savvas> does anyone know the path for "Vcs-Bzr:" if the "Vcs-Browser:" is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~surl/surl/trunk/files  ?
[12:32] <savvas> apparently lp:surl is not accepted :P
[12:34] <jpds> savvas: bzr branch lp:~surl/surl/trunk
[12:35] <savvas> jpds: no I mean, if this is "Vcs-Browser: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~surl/surl/trunk/files" in debian/control, what would the "Vcs-Bzr: " link be?
[12:40] <jpds> savvas: Probably the code.launchpad.net page.
[12:42] <slytherin> savvas: I think you should be able to find that from local copy of the bzr branch.
[12:43] <savvas> ah cool, bzr info :)
[12:45] <jpds> savvas: For example, gnome-themes uses the code.l.n page.
[12:47] <savvas> Vcs-Browser: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~surl/surl/trunk/files
[12:47] <savvas> Vcs-Bzr: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~surl/surl/trunk/
[12:47] <savvas> thank you  both :)
[13:14] <gaspa> geser: i'm trying to get the uploader of the last version of a source package in a series...
[13:14] <gaspa> but h.l.n/API doesn't help
[13:16] <geser> gaspa: that data is probably not yet available through the API
[13:16] <gaspa> right. it seemed to me too.
[13:22] <stefanlsd> RainCT: awesome! thanks for the upload!
[13:22] <geser> gaspa: have you tried to look at the changes_file_url from a SPPH? you would need to fetch it and parse it to get the data you need
[13:23] <RainCT> stefanlsd: no, thank you for the work :)
[13:24] <stefanlsd> RainCT: naa. was a big team effort :)
[13:27] <geser> gaspa: file a bug to get the data added you need
[13:30] <gaspa> geser: SPPH?
[13:31] <gaspa> anyway, bug report is the right answer ;)
[13:32] <geser> Source Package Publishing History, https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc/#source_package_publishing_history
[13:32] <geser> sorry for using abbrevations
[13:36] <geser> gaspa: bug #372704
[13:41] <gaspa> geser: thanks.
[13:42] <gaspa> SPPH doesn't contain this informations,ù as said in the report...
[13:44] <geser> gaspa: not directly, but the changes file contains it (which you would need to parse yourself) and there is SPPH.changes_file_url
[13:45] <gaspa> geser: yes, of course.
[13:46] <gaspa> cprov: do you know when these information will be available through launchpad api?
[13:46] <gaspa> (we're talking about the bug right above)
[13:47] <cprov> gaspa: unfortunately, it's not scheduled for anytime soon.
[13:47] <geser> gaspa: just curious: what you need that data for?
[13:48] <gaspa> geser: add to the ftbfs data.
[13:48] <gaspa> cprov: thanks. no problem :)
[13:48] <geser> gaspa: so you know who to blame^Wask about it? :)
[13:48] <gaspa> geser: ..and "just for fun" :P
[13:49] <cprov> gaspa: let's see if I can bump its priority in the next soyuz meeting, it would help if you can get a motivation for adding the 'motu' tag
[13:50] <gaspa> cprov: well, no 'critical' motivations, ATM.
[13:50] <cprov> gaspa: right, nice-to-have only.
[13:50] <gaspa> yep
[13:51] <LarstiQ> ~.
[13:51] <LarstiQ> ~>
[13:51] <LarstiQ> ~>
[13:51] <gaspa> geser: right... for ubuntuX packages it'd be convenient
[13:52] <AndrewGe1> Hi. I'm trying to fix a package that's picking up a wrong directory for a python directory in a configure script. When I autoreconf and autoconf with a newer version than what was used for the packaged script, should I patch the configure script manually?
[13:53] <geser> AndrewGee: the autoreconf fixed it and you ask how to best package the fix?
[13:54] <AndrewGee> geser: Yes.
[13:54] <geser> does the package use a patch system already?
[13:54] <AndrewGee> I've set up dpatch for it ready, for just this fix.
[13:56] <geser> usually it's not well liked to introduce a patch system where none was used, but in this case I'd prefer one (else merging configure will be a pain)
[13:56] <AndrewGee> Okay. So I should just patch the configure script?
[13:56] <geser> so please use a patch system and also include in the patch description how to recreate this patch if needed
[13:56] <AndrewGee> Okay :)
[13:56] <Laney> it'd be nice to send the patch upstream too so we don't have to carry it
[13:57] <geser> that too
[13:57] <AndrewGee> Ok
[13:57] <AndrewGee> Thanks guys
[14:05] <quadrispro> Laney: Hi Ian, do you have a 2-3 minutes for a review? :)
[14:06] <Laney> quadrispro: Iain* :), and I guess I do
[14:06] <quadrispro> lol sorry :)
[14:07] <pochu> Debiain
[14:07] <pochu> no, I prefer Ian I think :)
[14:07] <Laney> :(
[14:07] <quadrispro> rotfl
[14:07] <quadrispro> Laney: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xvidenc
[14:07] <Laney> you should take this up with my mother
[14:07] <quadrispro> thank you :)
[14:07]  * Laney spies
[14:08] <pochu> Laney: but Delaney sounds good :)
[14:12] <Laney> quadrispro: there's a lot of technical jargon at the end of your long description
[14:12] <Laney> also I believe that you could get that down to the DH7 tiny rules file if you so wished
[14:13] <Laney> by making a .changelogs and .manpages file
[14:14] <quadrispro> ok, i'll make these changes
[14:14] <Laney> do those matrices fall under the GPL?
[14:18] <Laney> (and the copyright of the author - aka did he create them?)
[14:21] <quadrispro> Laney: yes, he seems the real author
[14:28] <Laney> gaspa: did you hear back from Simon Marlow again?
[14:29] <gaspa> Laney: silence. :)
[14:29] <Laney> heh
[14:34] <gaspa> Laney: you too, i guess...
[14:35] <Laney> me too what?
[14:45] <quadrispro> Laney: uploading to REVU
[14:46] <quadrispro> no, I have to adjust 2-3 things
[14:47] <slytherin> quadrispro: why is maintainer u-d-d?
[14:47] <Laney> that's what update-maintainer does now
[14:47] <Laney> in preparation for archivereorg
[14:48] <quadrispro> slytherin: due to the archive re-org
[14:48] <slytherin> quadrispro: Laney: is this updated update-maintainer available in jaunty?
[14:49] <geser> slytherin: probably just in trunk till now
[14:50] <quadrispro> Laney: I'm going away for 15 minutes about, please add your comments to the REVU page (or ACK it, if you think it's ready)
[14:50] <quadrispro> see you later
[14:54] <Laney> quadrispro: i thought you said you were uploading again
[14:55] <gaspa> Laney: you too didn't hear anything from SImon marlow.
[14:56] <Laney> gaspa: oh, no. I don't want to hassle him.
[14:56] <gaspa> :)
[14:57] <Laney> in a couple of weeks we'll just have to decide to stick
[14:58] <gaspa> Laney: mmm... -> http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/roadmap
[14:59] <Laney> yep
[15:14] <evanrmurphy> dholbach: Hi! You still there?
[15:16] <dholbach> evanrmurphy: yep
[15:16] <evanrmurphy> dholbach: Thanks for answering my question. It's totally fine that you removed my comment on the wiki, but perhaps you could explain a bit more to help me understand, as I'm still gaining familiarity with these tools.
[15:16] <dholbach> sure
[15:16] <evanrmurphy> dholbach: I guess I understand in principle the difference between building a binary package and building the source.
[15:16] <evanrmurphy> Wel, I think. ;)
[15:16] <dholbach> just running "debuild" will give you .deb packages in the end, so installable binary packages
[15:17] <dholbach> "debuild -S" will rebuild the source package, so give you a .diff.gz and a .dsc file for your .orig.tar.gz
[15:17] <evanrmurphy> hmmm
[15:17] <evanrmurphy> I see
[15:18] <evanrmurphy> it builds the .diff.gz based off, for example, the changes we made to hello earlier in the tutorial.
[15:18] <dholbach> exactly
[15:18] <evanrmurphy> but then in building the source package, we go on to run sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc
[15:18] <evanrmurphy> doesn't that build the deb just like the previous section?
[15:18] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff plays with the source package creation a bit
[15:19] <evanrmurphy> thanks
[15:19] <dholbach> yes, but you need to have the source package (.dsc, .diff.gz, .orig.tar.gz) before you start running pbuilder on it
[15:19] <Drknezz> Hi guys!
[15:20] <evanrmurphy> dholbach: So the difference between the .deb created in the binary section from the one created in the source section:
[15:20] <dholbach> there's no .deb created in the source section
[15:20] <Drknezz> I want to ask something, why did you leave adept? packagekit is so bad, it barely displays GUI apps, and not all of 'em :(
[15:20] <dholbach> there's no compilation or installation of files happening there
[15:20] <evanrmurphy> the .deb created in pbuilder doesn't count? :-/
[15:20] <dholbach> Drknezz: you might want to ask in #kubuntu-devel
[15:21] <Drknezz> dholbach: oh!, ok
[15:21] <dholbach> evanrmurphy: pbuilder calls something like "debuild" in the process
[15:21] <dholbach> evanrmurphy: pbuilder does not build a source package, it requires it beforehand
[15:22] <evanrmurphy> Hmmm... I think I see now.
[15:23] <evanrmurphy> dholbach: We need to build the binary package and the source package, correct?
[15:24] <evanrmurphy> dholbach: I'm sure this will come together better for me as I continue perusing the documentation. Thanks a lot for your time.
[15:26] <dholbach> evanrmurphy: the most common workflow is to do something like this: apt-get source A; cd A-*; <do some changes, add changelog entry>; debuild -S; pbuild the resulting new source package; play with the resulting new .deb package; when happy, send debdiff between both .dsc files for review
[15:26] <dholbach> or if you're part of the uploader team, upload the resulting source package
[15:27] <dholbach> instead of using pbuilder, you can use   debuild   too, to build the package locally
[15:28] <evanrmurphy> dholbach: That helps me very much to see a workflow overview like that.
[15:28] <dholbach> great
[15:31] <evanrmurphy> dholbach: Unless I'm still off-base here, I guess my comment on the wiki came from confusion because it appears that in the section Building the Package, we build a binary package, whereas in Building the Source Package, we build a source package *and then* build a(nother) binary package.
[15:32] <dholbach> evanrmurphy: maybe we need some kind of "overview" or workflow diagram or something
[15:32] <evanrmurphy> dholbach: So if you follow both sections, you end up with two binaries. What I neglected to understand there is that they are two different ways to build the package, a la, "dholbach> instead of using pbuilder, you can use   debuild   too, to build the package locally"
[15:33] <evanrmurphy> but it's not a huge deal
[15:33] <dholbach> I see what you mean
[15:33] <evanrmurphy> dholbach: Maybe I'll just tweak the phrasing a bit to remedy my particular confusion.
[15:34] <quadrispro> Laney: matrices seems taken from a website, but they aren't covered by any license
[15:34] <dholbach> evanrmurphy: that'd be sweet
[15:34] <evanrmurphy> dholbach: Thanks again! :)
[15:34] <dholbach> evanrmurphy: rock on!
[15:34] <Laney> quadrispro: please confirm they are redistributable
[15:35] <quadrispro> Laney: mmm... the right solution may be exclude them from the binary (even their contents are only numbers)
[15:35] <quadrispro> mmm... no
[15:35] <Laney> no that wouldn't help
[15:35]  * quadrispro confused
[15:37] <quadrispro> Laney: ok, and... repacking the tarball?
[15:37] <quadrispro> mmm
[15:37] <Laney> well
[15:37] <Laney> presumably they're in there for a reason?
[15:37]  * gaspa 's trying to compile unleaden swallow on arm :|  omg!
[15:38] <quadrispro> yes, README.matrices explains well, but they aren't strictly needed
[15:40] <quadrispro> simply, they allow user to fit a whole movie on a single CD
[15:40] <Laney> you should ask for an archive opinion, but AFAIK all source files need to have license information clearly specified
[15:40] <quadrispro> ScottK: what do you think about it?
[15:41] <Laney> Note that under international copyright law (this applies in the United States, too), no distribution or modification of a work is allowed without an explicit notice saying so. Therefore a program without a copyright notice is copyrighted and you may not do anything to it without risking being sued! Likewise if a program has a copyright notice but no statement saying what is permitted then nothing is permitted.
[15:41] <quadrispro> Laney: yes, I know that
[15:42] <Laney> it's clear that the upstream author didn't create them
[15:42] <ScottK> Laney: Generally we take the position that if a full copy of the license is included in a tarball it applies to all the files in the tarball unless there is a reason to believe it doesn't.
[15:42] <Laney> ScottK: There is a reason - the author says he took them from elsewhere
[15:42] <quadrispro> those files contain only number, there's no code
[15:42] <Laney> I would have thought they were copyrightable still
[15:43] <ScottK> So in general per file copyright/license stuff is not strictly required.
[15:43] <ScottK> quadrispro: As an example, if I take a bunch of data and index it, the index is copyrightable even though it has no original content.  The creative work is in the organization of it.
[15:43] <quadrispro> but Laney, I think that numbers couldn't be covered by any kind of license
[15:44] <Laney> they are clearly a creative work
[15:44] <quadrispro> mmm
[15:44] <ScottK> quadrispro: Are these numbers the result of natural mathmatics or was some thought original work of authorship needed to create them?
[15:45] <MTecknology> What's the package for the bretty boot screen
[15:48] <quadrispro> ScottK, I can find a lot of website where these "matrices" are available for the download but I don't know, so we can keep them out from the tarball, user will be free to decide what to do
[15:48] <quadrispro> and probably it's the better solution
[15:49] <Laney> urgh, building GHC
[15:49] <ScottK> quadrispro: I think that's a good solution.  In the meantime you might try to hunt down the original source and get permission.
[15:52] <quadrispro> right, I'll work on it later
[15:52] <quadrispro> see you!
[16:05] <james_w> hi qt people, where would I find the qt4 dbus bindings?
[16:06] <james_w> ah, libqt4-dbus I presume
[16:06] <james_w> yay, qt4-x11
[16:27] <masterkernel> anyone know if debian has python 3 in its unstable or main repo?
[16:35] <ScottK> I know it's in experimental.  I'm not sure about unstable.
[16:53] <pochu> masterkernel: python3.1 in experimental only
[16:53] <masterkernel> pochu: thanks
[16:54] <pochu> python3.1 3.1~rc2+20090622-1, to be more precise
[16:54] <pochu> yw
[17:05] <gaspa> geser: do you have a way to test you ftbfs code, without scanning the whole launchpad series?
[17:05] <gaspa> s/you/your
[17:06] <geser> gaspa: yes :) I add a small counter inside the for loop and exit it after 10 packages
[17:07] <gaspa> hackish :P
[17:51] <evanrmurphy> dholbach: I made some changes to the sections we were talking about to try and clarify what was confusing me. (See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Building%20the%20Package%20Locally%20(Binary%20Only) and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Building%20the%20Package%20(Source%20and%20Binary) .) Changes include modifying the title and rephrasing/adding body content. When you get a chance, plea
[17:51] <evanrmurphy> se confirm that the information there is accurate.
[17:52] <dholbach> evanrmurphy: if you drop me a mail about it, I'll review it early tomorrow
[17:52] <dholbach> I'm just about to head out and buy something to cook dinner
[17:52] <evanrmurphy> dholbach: Sure thing. Enjoy your meal.
[17:52] <dholbach> gracias!
[17:52] <dholbach> take care
[17:53] <evanrmurphy> de nada :)
[18:12] <gaspa> somebody knows where MoM code is?
[18:17] <maxb> gaspa: lp:merge-o-matic :-)
[18:23] <Meiki> Hello. I'm hosting a booth at an event for Ubuntu packaging how-to's. Is there a .pdf format of a Ubuntu packaging guide? I've been looking for a few hours now only to find guides on the Ubuntu wiki in web-format.
[18:23] <Meiki> Ideally, a .pdf would be nice
[18:26] <evanrmurphy> Meiki: I don't see it in anything but wiki format, either. Hmmm...
[18:26] <Meiki> evanrmurphy: I'm sure that before I found a .pdf version of a guide for packaging, just cannot recall where it was
[18:29] <evanrmurphy> Meiki: Have you considered dropping an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>That's the Documentation Team's mailing list.
[18:30] <Meiki> evanrmurphy: Is that list open, or do you have to subscribe?
[18:30] <evanrmurphy> Meiki: Apparently they have an IRC channel as well: #ubuntu-doc. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam)
[18:30] <evanrmurphy> Meiki: Channel looks fairly populated.
[18:32] <Meiki> evanrmurphy: Thank you
[18:32] <evanrmurphy> Meiki: I don't believe that you need to subscribe to post on their mailing list. You should however note that you're not a subscriber in any email you send to them, otherwise they might just reply to the list (and not include you explicitly), causing you to miss your responses.
[18:32] <evanrmurphy> Meiki: You're welcome!
[18:33] <evanrmurphy> Meiki: Good luck finding what you need, and good luck with the event. It sounds great.
[18:43] <droolpal> I an not install libtiff-tools or libjpeg-progs, currently at the bottom of my dependency issue is 'freeglut3' - which is not in my Jaunty repositories, why is this?
[18:43] <droolpal> shouldn't freeglut3 be in the repositories?
[18:52] <ScottK> It is: freeglut3 | 2.4.0-6.1ubuntu1 |        jaunty | amd64, i386
[19:02] <slytherin> can anyone here help in setting up sbuild?
[19:02] <Ampelbein> slytherin: any specific question? have you read the tutorial?
[19:02] <Ampelbein> !sbuild
[19:03] <AnAnt> slytherin:  Hello
[19:04] <slytherin> Ampelbein: It specifically talks about lvm chroots. I am using one with type 'file'
[19:04] <slytherin> AnAnt: hi
[19:11] <AnAnt> we're not in featurefreeze yet, are we ?
[19:11] <directhex> no
[19:12] <directhex> end of august
[19:12] <directhex> DIF i think#
[19:12] <AnAnt> ah, ok
[19:13] <AnAnt> ok
[19:27] <jacqolive> Hi
[19:28] <AnAnt> slytherin: found anything on velocity ?
[19:28] <slytherin> AnAnt: haven't checked. I will be booting in Debian in a while. Will check and update the bug.
[19:28] <slytherin> jacqolive: hi
[19:28] <AnAnt> slytherin: thank !
[19:29] <jacqolive> Can any one give me some direction on how to get involved with developing for Ubuntu
[19:29] <stefanlsd> jacqolive: Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted
[19:30] <slytherin> jacqolive: the direction is up ^^. Read the channel topic. :-)
[19:30] <jacqolive> stefanlsd: thanks
[19:48] <c_korn> why do I only get empty packages with this control and rules file? http://pastebin.com/d4904a825 http://pastebin.com/d3024e5e6
[19:51] <ximion> could someone please review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/projectm-jack and http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/projectm-jack ? The packages provide projectM-visualisation support for JackAudio.
[19:51] <ximion> c_korn: Do the installation scripts work? What is the debuild output?
[19:51] <slytherin> c_korn: do you have any .install files in debian directory?
[19:53] <c_korn> ximion: http://abs.getdeb.net/build_log/gnome-commander_1.2.8-1~getdeb1_2009_46_01_07_1246474003_amd64.log this is the output
[19:53] <c_korn> slytherin: no, I don't have any install files
[19:53] <slytherin> c_korn: that's why
[19:55] <ximion> c_korn: All files are installed into /debian/tmp . You have to erite an .install file to copy all necessary files to debian/gnome-commander.
[19:55] <ximion> erite -> write
[19:55] <c_korn> ximion, slytherin: can I just put "/" in the install file for gnome-commander and debug symbols are automatically moved to the -dbg package?
[19:56] <slytherin> c_korn: I am not sure.
[19:56] <c_korn> slytherin: ok, thanks. I will try it
[19:57] <ximion> c_korn: To move the debuginfos into a separate package, you have to use --dbg-package=listaller-gtk-dbg after dh_strip in a non-CDBS-based rules file...
[19:58] <ximion> ...I'll look it up for CDBS... To the .install-file: Just try it!
[20:00] <ximion> c_korn: You have to add the following modification to your CDBS-rules file to enable stripping of debuginfos: DEB_DH_STRIP_ARGS := --dbg-package=<package1> ...
[20:00] <ximion> DEB_DH_STRIP_ARGS := --dbg-package=<package1> ...
[20:00] <c_korn> hm, I remember that a -dbg was also created successfully without that argument. but thanks. I give it a try.
[20:01] <ximion> DEB_DH_STRIP_ARGS := --dbg-package=gnome-commander-dbg
[20:01] <ximion> c_korn: Okay, maybe this is implemente in the gnome-module...
[20:02] <c_korn> ximion: yes, the argument is already passed to dh_strip: dh_strip -pgnome-commander  --dbg-package=gnome-commander-dbg
[20:13] <ximion> could someone please review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/projectm-jack and http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/projectm-jack ? The packages provide projectM-visualisation support for JackAudio.
[20:27] <c_korn> ximion: it was "debian/tmp/*" in the .install file actually. but now it works. thanks
[20:52] <RoAkSoAx> Hey guys, dependencies in libxul-dev should be changed to xulrunner-1.9-dev right?
[21:00] <directhex> xulrunner-dev, no?
[21:01] <directhex> libxul-dev is for 1.8, the app may need patching to work with 1.9x
[21:02] <RoAkSoAx> directhex, right, but the dependency should be xulrunner-1.9-dev, or should it be xulrunner-dev ?
[21:12] <directhex> RoAkSoAx, do you want it to build against firefox 3.0, or the default firefox?
[21:12] <RoAkSoAx> directhex, another app is using xulrunner
[21:13] <RoAkSoAx> asac, shouldn't xulrunner-1.9-dev be install in '/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9' instead of '/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-<IP_ADDRESS>' ?
[21:14] <directhex> RoAkSoAx, xulrunner-1.9-dev is for firefox 3's version of xulrunner. xulrunner-1.9.1-dev is for firefox 3.5's version of xulrunner. xulrunner-dev is whichever's the default. which is right for you?
[21:14] <RoAkSoAx> directhex, I think I'll keep xulrunner-dev
[21:35] <geser> RoAkSoAx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XulrunnerGecko but I don't know if it's still up-to-date
[21:35] <RoAkSoAx> thanks geser :)
[21:38] <ajmitch> or you could ask the fine people in the mozillateam channel who probably know more :)
[21:59] <C10uD> hello, i wanted to build gst-plugins-bad-multiverse in my ppa
[21:59] <C10uD> but i need libmimic-dev
[21:59] <C10uD> which is in debian but not ubuntu
[22:00] <C10uD> if i load that lib in my ppa will it be found when retrying to package gst-..? or i must request inclusion of libmimic in ubuntu?
[22:04] <geser> C10uD: if you make it available in your PPA it will be also available as a build-dependency for other packages in your PPA
[22:04] <C10uD> ok geser thank you
[22:12] <masterkernel> is nvidia-common in the multiverse repo?
[22:14] <micahg> masterkernel: it's in main
[22:15] <masterkernel> is there a irc channel for those guys? or is it just -ubuntu
[22:15] <masterkernel> ignore that last part
[23:08] <RoAkSoAx> Heya guys how can I fix this building error? error: could not create '/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/cobbler': Permission denied
[23:10] <RAOF> Looks like you're (at least) failing to set --prefix.  But how to actually set this is build-system dependent; we'll need more context.
[23:14] <RoAkSoAx> RAOF, this is actually a python app and there's no prefix to set since I'm passing 'python setup.py install' the install process
[23:15] <RAOF> Right.  So, you pass "python setup.py install --prefix=/usr" :)
[23:15] <RAOF> There is a prefix :)
[23:16] <RoAkSoAx> RAOF, I see though --prefix was only good on C/C++ apps :)
[23:21] <geser> RoAkSoAx: you are missing --root
[23:21] <geser> it tries to install into the root file-system instead of below debian/tmp
[23:22] <geser> and you should also use --install-layout=deb instead of --prefix (IIRC the both don't work together very well)
[23:23] <RoAkSoAx> geser, ok cool thanks :)
[23:23] <RAOF> I see python packaging has changed.  Superb.
[23:23]  * RAOF squirrels that away.
[23:23] <RoAkSoAx> I already have the package packaged with CDBS, though I'm trying to package it with debhelper
[23:24] <ajmitch> RAOF: only every release or so
[23:25] <RAOF> And then we get to migrate to python 3, and break everything?
[23:25] <geser> sure :) that will be fun
[23:26] <ajmitch> the little shift from site-packages to dist-packages has been enough fun
[23:26] <RoAkSoAx> --install-layout does not work
[23:26] <ajmitch> that reminds me, I need to get back to unbreaking nevow since I said I'd do it
[23:27] <ajmitch> it of course is failing with py 2.6
[23:27] <geser> RoAkSoAx: how?
[23:28] <RoAkSoAx> geser,  error: option --install-layout not recognized
[23:28] <ajmitch> what is the line you are using for setup.py?
[23:28] <RoAkSoAx> 'python setup.py install'
[23:28] <ajmitch> with no options?
[23:29] <RoAkSoAx> ajmitch, now --prefix=/usr which sets the right path
[23:29] <RoAkSoAx> ajmitch, and yes no other options. I'm just learning packaging from scratch
[23:30] <RoAkSoAx> anyways, I'm trying to debianize and app, which is fedora based. So I need to make many changes to the install process. Should I just modify setup.py ??
[23:30] <ajmitch> --install-layout=deb --root=$(CURDIR)/debian/cobbler
[23:30] <geser> is it a usual setup.py (from python-setuptools?) or a custom one just also named setup.py?
[23:31]  * ajmitch thinks that --root is right, it may be wrong
[23:32] <RoAkSoAx> geser, i believe it is with python-setuptools: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/207775/
[23:32] <geser> either that or $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp
[23:32] <RoAkSoAx> ajmitch, geser ok thanks. :)
[23:33] <ajmitch> RoAkSoAx: so remove --prefix, it can't be used together with --install-layout
[23:33] <RoAkSoAx> ajmitch, I was not using it together with --install-layout
[23:33] <ajmitch> ok, you'd just mentioned you still had it, so I thought I'd warn you away from another build failure :)
[23:34]  * ajmitch is *still* waiting for php5 to compile here
[23:34]  * geser moves to bed, good night all
[23:34] <ajmitch> night
[23:35] <RoAkSoAx> night geser
[23:36] <RoAkSoAx> ajmitch, thanks. It now builds :)
[23:38] <RoAkSoAx> should I start modifying the setup.py and other upstream files to be able to run it in Ubuntu/Debian systems?
[23:40] <cpscotti> Ampelbein: I corrected some of the issues of the harpia package ( http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/harpia ) you just reviewed. I did some questions on the others. Thanks for the review!
[23:41] <Ampelbein> cpscotti: looking.
[23:48] <Ampelbein> cpscotti: yeah, you are right on number 2, I thought it was a python-library, so harpia is ok. regarding dh_desktop: it does not do anything anymore, see http://lintian.debian.org/tags/dh_desktop-is-deprecated.html


[01:13] <phillw> (02:04:16) queuebot: (notice) Builds: Ubuntu GNOME Desktop amd64 [Saucy Final] has been updated (20131017)
[01:13] <phillw> (02:04:17) queuebot: (notice) Builds: Ubuntu GNOME Desktop i386 [Saucy Final] has been updated (20131017)
[01:14] <phillw> better late than never, sorry for the slight delay in relaying.. been busy on the lubuntu tests
[01:14] <phillw> I'm sure you will forgive me being 10 minutes late :D
[06:17] <kam> hey guys I installed nemo (file-manager) and it broke my permissions, I can't untar a file for example: permission denied. I uninstalled it but nautillus is now also affected. anyway to change this?
[06:46] <kam> Also searching for an answer, I see a lot of reference to /usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop and my folder is completely empty.
[06:55] <kam> ill brb
[06:57] <kam> Could I just reinstall nautilus file manager?
[07:02] <kam> brb again
[07:08] <kam> ok re-installed nautilus didn't work and completely removing and installing didn't work either
[07:35] <darkxst> bjsnider, how did you go with empathy?
[12:20] <carnelknowledge> G'day Folks. When I upgrade to saucy should I purge the gnome3 ppa first?
[13:40] <jan77> hi
[13:40] <jan77> did someone already update?
[13:55] <bjsnider> darkxst, the debdiff is done
[14:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Is our 13.10 out yet? (I know where to get it)
[14:11] <jan77> SonikkuAmerica: yes http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/saucy/release/
[15:50] <mgedmin> so who can change the /topic to mention 13.10?
[15:53] <mgedmin> huh, gnome-control-center from the ppa on saucy doesn't fit on my 1366x768 screen
[15:58] <jan77> mgedmin: did you update already?
[15:58] <mgedmin> yes
[15:59] <jan77> and it worked flawless?
[15:59] <mgedmin> yes
[15:59] <jan77> I'm a bit scared of pressing that button, since it's the first update for ubuntu-gnome...
[16:00] <mgedmin> I had the gnome3team/gnome PPA enabled before I upgaded
[16:00] <mgedmin> that doesn't seem to have caused any problems
[16:00] <mgedmin> I had to re-enable it after the upgrade, but it looks like it has only one package in saucy (gnome-control-center, plus two dependencies of it)
[16:00] <mgedmin> ok, I've got to go now
[16:09] <phillw> mgedmin: I *think* darkxst can. I don't have privs on this channel as I'm only trying to cover for Ali while he is not well.
[19:18] <vas32> is there a list whit bugs from 13.10
[19:18] <vas32> and why using gnome 3.8 :(
[19:49] <danieldbower> Quick question, is there a way to install ubuntu-gnome using software raid?  I usually see an alternate-download I think.
[19:51] <danieldbower> either no one is on, or I've done something incorrectly...  I see no chatter...
[19:54] <topyli> danieldbower:
[19:54] <topyli> people are probably just asleep or celebrating the release
[19:55] <danieldbower> :-)  Thanks topyli
[19:55] <danieldbower> Seemed kind of dead in here...  I'll just post on the forum then.  Thanks!
[19:57] <topyli> danieldbower: sounds like a general ubuntu question rather than specific to ubuntu-gnome. you could try #ubuntu as well
[19:58] <danieldbower> I think it is specific to ubuntu-gnome, on straight ubuntu, I would do the installation with the alternate or server cds
[19:58] <danieldbower> with ubuntu-gnome, only the desktop cd is available
[20:00] <danieldbower> can't remember if i used ubuntu-gnome to do the initial install on that machine.
[20:04] <topyli> danieldbower: maybe you could just do a minimal or server install and then add ubuntu-gnome-desktop? note that i don't know what i'm talking about, just guessing
[20:05] <danieldbower> yeah, I was doing some reserch to see if there is any difference between installing ubuntu-gnome-desktop packages on vanilla ubuntu vs going with ubuntu-gnome
[20:06] <danieldbower> I don't see a list of differences between ubuntu and ubuntu-gnome on http://ubuntugnome.org/wiki/ to be sure if I would be missing out on any customizations
[20:12] <danieldbower> danieldbower = bowerstudios
[20:27] <darkxst> bjsnider, paste it and I will have a look
[20:30] <bjsnider> darkxst, http://paste.debian.net/59003/
[20:37] <darkxst> bjsnider, formatting is messed up, can you try paste somewhere else
[20:39] <bjsnider> what?
[20:39] <bjsnider> what do you mean
[20:42] <ricotz> meaning the paste isnt a proper diff ;)
[20:43] <bjsnider> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6253179/
[20:48] <bjsnider> line 485 is because there's an extra schema, so it can't be that specific anymore
[20:57] <phillw> hi nadrimajstor did you come to a decsion on mirroring? (Not a nag, just got a guy in DE who is looking for a lubuntu mirror :) )
[21:02] <nadrimajstor> First thing, after I got back from work, (couple of hours ago) I've put ubuntu-gnome-13.10 ISOs torrents on seeding... At least I can make some bump on network graph :D
[21:05] <nadrimajstor> It peeked at about 10% network pipe... So I could without problem put other stuff to.
[21:05] <phillw> nadrimajstor: okies, i will not help this guy, he needs old fashioned direct download. My server in France is now being updated, that should help him out over the massive hit the cd.image server in London is taking.
[21:05] <phillw> s/i/it
[21:07] <nadrimajstor> I could make a quick hack... Download lubuntu ISOs via torrent and expose them with plain python simpleHttpServer...
[21:08] <nadrimajstor> And kill http server when is no longer needed?
[21:10] <phillw> nadrimajstor: I'll leave that to your tender mercies. As I mentioned, I'm also an archive for flavours. come the A1 of 14.04, the intermediate releases for 13.10 will be removed. I keep them as one two occaisions they have been needed by the dev / bug team to check a change that occurred after a milestone (e.g. alpha 2) as the cd.image server does not hold them for very long.
[21:10] <phillw> s/one/on
[21:32] <phillw> nadrimajstor: darkxst when my server catches up with the zsyncs catches up (takes a couple of hours and I forgot to ask it to be kicked off). http://phillw.net/isos/ubuntu-gnome/ will have a direct download as a mirror if you choose to mention it on your 'get-ubuntu-gnome' page(s)
[21:32] <nadrimajstor> I've added lubuntu desktop ISOs for seed...
[21:32] <nadrimajstor> Also, will this help:
[21:32] <nadrimajstor> http://s1.nadrimajstor.com/
[21:32] <nadrimajstor> ?
[21:34] <phillw> nadrimajstor: they should show up as on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO when torrent is selected?
[21:37] <phillw> nadrimajstor: We have a lot of ISO's owing to what we support :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/Why_So_Many_ISOs it does make testing much more 'fun' :D
[21:37] <darkxst> phillw, thanks, pretty certain your mirror is already listed on our download pages ;)
[21:38] <phillw> darkxst: okies. I always comment it out for lubuntu wiki area until the server is zsync'd up :)
[21:42] <darkxst> phillw, oh right, wiki was pointing at raring
[21:44] <phillw> darkxst: easier way, to make it release agnostic is to point to http://phillw.net/isos/ubuntu-gnome/ But I do provide the link directly to the new release. It's up to your wiki team as to how you want to deal with that.
[21:46] <phillw> darkxst: if it is only one wiki page, I don't mind adding it to our lubuntu wiki *TODO* listing whilst decisions are taken :)
[21:46] <phillw> As I'm a wiki editor for all flavours, it's just a reminder to me :)
[21:47] <darkxst> I updated the link, however we do have an empty Torrent section on that page
[21:48] <darkxst> and the download page on the website needs updating, but I know how much you like wordpress ;)
[21:48] <phillw> darkxst: as nadrimajstor has only just added a torrent link it will need editing
[21:49] <phillw> darkxst: the secret there is to do what we did for lubuntu.net It points to the wiki page GetLubuntu :D
[21:50] <phillw> darkxst: when you get time, have a read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers#Pre_and_Post_release_TODO It's what we've built up over our releases to cut down on missing pages for us doc people, and a reminder for the devs. (It is actually in the dev / team area and not a general documation area).
[21:55] <darkxst> bjsnider, you probably need to update shlibs.local to fix buildflags issue
[22:01] <darkxst> why did you remove most of the configure flags? some of those still exist
[22:02] <darkxst> phillw, will have a look
[22:04] <phillw> darkxst: at your leisure. 13.10 is out, which is what matters :) Have a break before plunging head long into 14.04 :)
[22:05] <darkxst> 14.04 will be very quiet for us if Ubuntu stick with gnome 3.8
[22:05] <phillw> I'm looking forward to actually having a clean install of 13.10 on my machine... By heck, it's been pushed to its limits over this last cycle. But, guess what? I'd not have missed it for all the tea in China :D
[22:06] <phillw> I do not expect things for gnome or GTK (lubuntu uses a lot) will change for an LTS. It's just asking for trouble. Julien (our head of dev) expects 0% of Qt in 14.04.
[22:09] <bjsnider> darkxst, the build flags were removed because configure told me they are meaningless
[22:10] <bjsnider> i don't think they updated the info in configure --help because it disagrees with configure
[22:11] <darkxst> and --disable-schemas-compile?
[22:11] <bjsnider> had ot make sure the new schema got through
[22:13] <darkxst> but dpkg compiles schemas on install?
[22:13] <bjsnider> meh, i wasn't sure on that one
[22:13] <bjsnider> i really needed the schema, without it empathy-accounts crashes immediately
[22:14] <bjsnider> i'm not sure why the packaging was moved so far away from debian
[22:16] <bjsnider> darkxst, what would shlibs.local fix?
[22:16] <darkxst> the dependency issue you had with buildflags enabled
[22:17] <bjsnider> oh, cool, i'll run it through
[22:17] <bjsnider> i had it updated at one point but i deleted it by accident
[22:23] <darkxst> bjsnider, and do document changes in the changelog ;)
[22:37] <bjsnider> why isn't empathy multiarch?
[23:00] <bjsnider> darkxst, got a new debdiff with all those changes + a detailed changelog if you want


[02:17] <JohnA> Does anybody have a recommendation as to a DMS? Most docs would be scanned document images. we want to move a large collection of client records online and provide some sort of search capability. Linux based a must. Webdav compatibility/capability would be desirable. Remote access also a must.
[06:24] <dog545> does anyone know any good weather terminal apps?
[06:26] <dog545> I am new to using irc, is there a rule i missed?
[06:31] <dog545> is anyone around?
[07:16] <blendedbychris> http://pastie.textmate.org/private/wl6gh6on5zz00n9b4hhkq
[07:16] <blendedbychris> what's that mean?
[07:16] <blendedbychris> trying to create a csr
[07:19] <blendedbychris> :(
[08:28] <linocisco> hi all
[08:28] <linocisco> anyone here?
[08:28] <linocisco> anyone from germany?
[08:31] <linocisco> what divided east and west germany? how to call that poland area?
[08:33] <_ruben> go do your homework yourself
[08:43] <twb> Pretty sure a wall divided the
[08:43] <twb> Pretty sure a wall divided them
[08:44] <koolhead17> twb, :P
[08:44] <twb> blendedbychris: IME gnutls program is MUCH easier to use than openssl's
[08:46] <blendedbychris> meh i dont know what it was but it works now
[08:52] <twb> blendedbychris: it has args like this: certtool --generate-privkey --outfile /etc/ssl/private/fred.pem
[08:52] <twb> blendedbychris: whereas in ssl that is some bullshit like ssl rsa gen > foo.pem; <plus something to remove the private key>
[08:53] <blendedbychris> wait what?
[08:53] <blendedbychris> remove the private key?
[08:53] <blendedbychris> an pem should have a private key included
[08:53] <twb> Sorry
[08:54] <twb> remove the passphrase
[08:54] <twb> I'm a bit drunk
[08:54] <blendedbychris> you don't have to remove the passphrase?
[08:54] <twb> certtool doesn't add a passphrase unless you tell it to
[08:54] <blendedbychris> neither does openssl...
[08:54] <twb> Well none of the docs I could find seemed to know that
[08:55] <twb> certtool was straightforward and obvious for the four or five typical workflows that I actually care about
[08:55] <twb> And they were spelled out at length in info
[08:55] <blendedbychris> openssl genrsa -out /etc/csync2_ssl_key.pem 2048 just craps out a key afaik
[08:56] <blendedbychris> should be called .key
[08:56] <twb> if you say so
[08:56] <blendedbychris> (just ran it
[08:56] <twb> The extension is irrelevant
[08:56] <blendedbychris> well ya…
[08:56] <blendedbychris> when i see pem i always think a key  + a public but i'm probably mistaken
[08:57] <blendedbychris> if you do genrsa des -out … it will try to encrpyt it with a passphrase
[08:57] <blendedbychris> -des rather
[08:58] <twb> pem is just the format
[08:58] <twb> like uuencode or base 64
[08:58] <blendedbychris> hrm
[09:00] <twb> gpg --export --armour<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is also PEM format afaik
[09:00] <blendedbychris> i always see folk doing -des3 -out … and then rerunning it through the thing to remove the passphrase
[09:00] <twb> Yeah it is stupid cargo-cult shit
[09:00] <twb> But you look at the list of subcommands and it's a bit overwhelming because there's no ordering
[09:01] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/163925/
[09:03] <twb> But whatever, I've made my salespitch
[09:04] <blendedbychris> heh i actually don't understand enough about the crap to consider your option viable… i just fumble my way through
[09:04] <blendedbychris> and forget it about every 365 days
[09:04] <twb> I strongly recommend reading the gnutls info page
[09:06] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/163926/ also here are my notes on SSL/x509 theory
[09:06] <twb> "info gnutls | less" if you don't like the default info reader
[09:09] <twb> I should probably rewrite those notes, since I understand x509 a little better now
[09:19] <andrewhiggs> Hello everyone.
[09:20] <nibalizer> hello
[09:23] <andrewhiggs> Anyone here using tomcat?
[09:27] <twb> !anyone
[09:30] <andrewhiggs> My apologies.
[09:32] <twb> No problem
[09:34] <andrewhiggs> I am struggling to get tomcat (6.0.35) to work well on an Ubuntu Server currently testing on 12.04 but got same result on 11.04 and 11.10). The same application is running on a hosted solution with much better performance. I notice that the CPU does not appear to be being used (top shows %us to range between 5 and 15%) as much as the hosted solution (top show %us to be between 80 and 90%). How do I go about trouble shooting why the cpu is not being us
[09:36] <twb> NFI, sorry
[09:37] <andrewhiggs> Thanks twb ;)
[10:36] <andrewhiggs> How can I get Ubuntu to allow certain processes to use more resources than others? In this case I need tomcat and its database connections to be allowed more processing power.
[10:38] <Jeeves_> man nice
[10:39] <Jeeves_> But that's really just prioritizing
[10:40] <andrewhiggs> Thanks Jeeves_. I tried that but the %us still does not go above 15%. It usually hovers around 10%.
[10:41] <patdk-lap> andrewhiggs, and you have idle% >0?
[10:42] <andrewhiggs> Yip. That is normally around 80 - 90%.
[10:42] <patdk-lap> then the program is to blame
[10:42] <patdk-lap> it's has the option of using more, but isn't
[10:42] <patdk-lap> or you have more than one cpu, and it's single threaded
[10:42] <andrewhiggs> But the program run properly on another system?
[10:47] <andrewhiggs> If I have a processor with two cores and one is being used by the tomcat process almost fully would top show %us as 50%?
[10:51] <patdk-lap> yep
[10:51] <patdk-lap> assuming two cores and no hyperthreading
[10:52] <andrewhiggs> I have not done anything with hyperthreading. Would this be something likely to be set by default?
[10:52] <patdk-lap> depends on if your cpu support it, but normally enabled if it does
[10:52] <patdk-lap> just cat /proc/cpuinfo to see how many cpu's it sees
[10:53] <patdk-lap> processor: xx
[10:53] <andrewhiggs> It does see both. Both are running at 2.4Ghz.
[10:54] <Jeeves_> andrewhiggs: You can press '1' in top to see all cpus individually
[10:54] <Jeeves_> Also, look at iowaiy
[10:54] <Jeeves_> iowait
[10:54] <Jeeves_> if that's high
[10:54] <Jeeves_> Your processes are just waiting for your disks
[10:55] <andrewhiggs> %wa is usually quite low. I have only seen it spike once or twice.
[10:55] <andrewhiggs> top
[10:55] <andrewhiggs> Sorry. :-)
[10:57] <andrewhiggs> If I press 1 as suggested I see that both processors seem to be being used roughly half half.
[10:58] <andrewhiggs> Cpu0 is usually just a few percentage points above cpu1. Which I would think is normal.
[11:02] <_ruben> perhaps it just doesn't have any more work to do :)
[11:03] <andrewhiggs> But the tomcat application runs very slowly. The %us on another server is 80 - 90%. :-)
[11:05] <patdk-lap> nothing is worse than locking issues
[11:56] <andrewhiggs> How do you think I can try to trouble shhot why this process is not using more resources than it does?
[12:02] <Madkiss> hi there!
[12:02] <Madkiss> Whats the default iscsi target in Ubuntu 12.04?
[12:03] <Madkiss> I understand it is tgt?
[12:22] <rye> hello, i have recently updated to the latest packages (on 18th of april), before that I was running for quite a long time with the packages of 2 weeks old. Now my test vms with windows7 are extremely slow w/o the changes to the underlying hardware.
[12:24] <rye> no dmesg messages, no syslog messages to pinpoint what's happening. I see elevated disk usage at times but it does not look like it was too different earlier
[12:25] <koolhead17> Madkiss, hey
[12:37] <Madkiss> hello koolhead17
[12:40] <koolhead17> Madkiss, trying to figure out what am doing wrong to get vnc running and other distro instances tested
[12:42] <jca1981> hi does anyone know an easy distribution to set up a small ftp server with web interface?
[12:43] <koolhead17> !ftp
[12:43] <koolhead17> !ftpserver
[12:44] <_ruben> !ftpd
[14:24] <rbasak> Any comments on the impact of bug 986159? The default number of file descriptors is 1024, is it? Would this bug cause issues in production?
[14:28] <rbasak> hallyn: ^^, can I get your opinion on this? Is this important for precise? Everyone else is at ODS it seem!
[14:28] <rbasak> seems!
[14:29] <hallyn> checking
[14:29] <RoyK> ods?
[14:30] <hallyn> opentack devel conf
[14:30] <RoyK> c
[14:30] <RoyK> k
[14:30] <hallyn> rbasak: ah, the bug makes sense.
[14:30] <hallyn> rbasak: i'd say, dput the fix and ask on #ubuntu-release what they think
[14:31] <rbasak> hallyn: I can't upload
[14:31] <hallyn> cause I have no idea (a) how important squid is to us or (b) how important the fd limit is to squid
[14:31] <rbasak> yeah that's what I'm thinking, too
[14:31] <hallyn> oh.  not sure i can either come to think of it :)
[14:31] <rbasak> I can ask in #ubuntu-release though
[14:31] <hallyn> i'll go peek in too
[14:32] <rbasak> Hmm
[14:32] <rbasak> Looks like squid got demoted to universe in precise
[14:34] <hallyn> rbasak: actually the ulimit part may be important
[14:34] <rbasak> ah it's squid3 and that is in main
[14:34] <hallyn> eh i guess not :)
[14:36] <hallyn> rbasak: well, tbh, i think that bug would be fine to SRU
[14:36] <rbasak> yes
[14:36] <hallyn> rbasak: it's not something that prevents it from rnning out of the box
[14:36] <rbasak> no
[14:42] <thebwt> over ldap authentication, is there a way to keep a workstation user with root access from 'su'ing into any other user account and bypassing authentication?
[14:42] <rbasak> thebwt: no. Root access is root access. Root can bypass anything.
[14:43] <rbasak> thebwt: note that root on one system isn't necessarily root on another, though.
[14:44] <thebwt> right, the issue is that a user could then su to other users and manipulate their home directories
[14:44] <thebwt> not so much root access
[14:44] <rbasak> Don't give the user root then.
[14:44] <thebwt> what about a machine booted into single user mode?
[14:44] <rbasak> Or put the home directories on a different machine
[14:44] <thebwt> they are mounted over nfs
[14:45] <rbasak> NFS trusts what the machine claims in general.
[14:45] <rbasak> The latest NFS stuff might fix that though, but I'm not up to date with it.
[14:50] <thebwt> so then on an ldap authentication with nfs mounts for the home dir. A standard machine booted in 'single' mode can create a massive breach in the network? That seems a bit silly, surely other people have run into the problem before.
[15:01] <dork> anyone experienced w/ mdadm/software raid and has had arrays assemble with strange hardware addresses like md127 and have it in auto-read-only?
[18:19] <ZenMaster> Hi. :)
[18:19] <Pici> hi
[18:21] <MrWobz> Hello I have a problem, hdparm -tT displays BOTH drives as running reaaaally slow, Ive switched raid controllers and now I dont know what to do
[18:21] <ZenMaster> I need local name resolution, so that my users can connect to corporate intranet site.
[18:21] <ZenMaster> dnsmasq the way to go?
[18:33] <koolhead11> Daviey, are you really around? :P
[19:07] <MrWobz> Hello I have a problem, hdparm -tT displays BOTH drives as running reaaaally slow, Ive switched raid controllers and now I dont know what to do, Its 3.0.0-12-server #20-Ubuntu SMP, I dont have the problem with 10.X though
[19:08] <Pici> MrWobz: You may want to try asking in ##linux as well, since I've noticed you're not getting (m)any answers here.
[19:09] <MrWobz> roger, its just I dont know whats different in terms of hdd management kernel level from 11.x and 10.x
[19:11] <Pici> MrWobz: 11.10 was the first release to use linux 3.0, prior releases were 2.6
[19:14] <MrWobz> It could mean in 3.0 a driver was dropped somewhere
[19:18] <Pici> Its possible, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't noticed.
[19:43] <raubvogel> On op-panel, where are the passwords for voicemail defined? Are they the ones in /etc/asterisk/voicemail.conf?
[19:53] <Pici> raubvogel: You may want to ask in #asterisk
[22:25] <^Mike> I created a directory in /var/run to hold some sockets and pidfiles for several daemons. After rebooting, the directory is gone - why?
[22:38] <maxb> Because /var/run is a tmpfs; a ramdisk
[22:52] <SpamapS> ^Mike: its guaranteed to be *empty* at boot time :)
[22:55]  * ^Mike patpat uvirtbot
[22:56] <^Mike> SpamapS: thanks, I'll have my scripts create the directory if it doesn't exist then :\
[23:02] <pacsman> Hello, asking for who to choose between ubuntu-server or debian 6
[23:07] <^Mike> pardon? O.o
[23:09] <pacsman> jveu installer un OS sur un server proliant, ki serait le mieu, ubuntu-server ou debian 6
[23:12] <^Mike> it's fairly likely that the people in here are going to prefer ubuntu :)
[23:13] <pacsman> just askin :P
[23:14] <SpamapS> pacsman: ubuntu server has versions too. :)
[23:14] <SpamapS> pacsman: maybe people like ubuntu 10.04 > debian 6 > ubuntu 8.04
[23:18] <pacsman> k ty


[01:00] <ralsina> mmcc: ugh, the filename is empty?
[01:05] <ralsina> mmcc: the problem is pil_image.save expects a filename, not a file object
[01:05] <ralsina> mmcc: see http://www.pythonware.com/library/pil/handbook/image.htm
[01:08] <ralsina> mmcc: oh, weird, that *does* work.
[04:51] <mmcc> aha, yes I was just stabbing in the dark there. getvalue() is the wrong thing to do, and the 'unicode arg expected' error in the first traceback was a red herring.
[05:27] <mmcc> OK, the PIL PNG plugin writes bytes to the file object it gets handed, but io.StringIO expects unicode. So using BytesIO instead of StringIO fixes this little problem. However, we really shouldn't have to do all that - we ought to be able to have qt image plugins working.
[05:52] <mmcc> packaging getting closer... closer, but I will have to stop soon. /me hates slow feedback loops
[06:08] <mmcc> packaged: controlpanel calls sso, gets credentials OK - gets to starting syncdaemon and hiccups on a packaging issue, can't find storageprotocol. will debug tomorrow
[06:09] <mmcc> un-packaged - controlpanel devices and account info tabs work great, settings and folders tabs freeze on loading info.
[06:11] <mmcc> later, I notice syncdaemon starts but apparently never connects. something to look forward to tomorrow
[06:12] <mmcc> good night, channel
[08:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all! o/
[08:40] <mandel> morning all!
[12:02] <alecu> morning, y'all!
[12:03] <mandel> alecu, morning!
[12:04] <mandel> alecu, do you want to talk about how we are doing with the darwin fsevents?
[12:04] <mandel> alecu, mumble/g+ or whatever you feel like :)
[12:04] <alecu> mandel: sure!
[12:04] <alecu> mandel: let me comb my hair :-)
[12:05] <mandel> alecu, lol
[12:05] <mandel> alecu, ping me when ready :)
[12:08] <alecu> mandel: we may even tell gatox to join the hangout, right?
[12:09] <mandel> alecu, yes, but is he feeling ok?
[12:09] <gatox> here
[12:09] <mandel> alecu, he has not yet been in irc, which is not normal :P
[12:09] <mandel> gatox, hola!
[12:10] <mandel> alecu, gatox, shall we do it then?
[12:10] <gatox> i was checking the branches to see if i need to fix something (which i see that i do), to take the day for sickness after that
[12:10] <mandel> gatox, che, if you are ill go to bed, coding when ill is not a good idea
[12:10] <mandel> gatox, specially complicated code, I'm sure alecu and I can take over those branches and fix them if they are really blocking
[12:11] <mandel> ill code monkey == bad code I know from experience
[12:17] <rye> mandel: do you recall fixing something like this - ERROR - in the scan: <type 'exceptions.AssertionError'> (Path u'\\\\?\\C:\\Users\\...\\Vakantie 2012.lnk' should be a bytes sequence.) ?
[12:17] <rye> mandel: that's from installation with version id 1001 so that's old
[12:23] <mandel> rye, is fixed, yes
[12:24] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:25]  * ralsina looks at gatox...
[12:25] <ralsina> gatox, take the day off
[12:25] <ralsina> gatox: and call a doctor
[12:25] <ralsina> gatox: 3 days of fever is not a coincidence
[12:25] <gatox> ralsina, yes, i'll do it today
[12:25] <gatox> ralsina, just was worried closing the branches
[12:42] <mandel> alecu, ralsina  how I imaging gatox right now..
[12:42] <mandel> http://youtu.be/AU0NLheu8mU?t=11s
[12:43] <rye> mandel: we allow UDFs with same characters different cases, I think that calls for trouble
[12:43] <mandel> rye, yes, major problem indeed!
[12:44] <mandel> rye, on windows they will be stepping on each other
[12:50] <rye> mandel: file-o-bug?
[12:51] <mandel> rye, I don't know if there is a bug already there for that
[12:53] <gatox> mandel, jjajjaa i'mm watching the video
[12:53] <gatox> pushing and leaving!!
[12:55] <rye> alecu: re: AttributeError: 'SyncStateMachineRunner' object has no attribute 'reget_dir' -- found another occurrence
[13:15] <alecu> rye: is the reget_dir related to the "VAB Visa*.tiff" issue you had yesterday?
[13:23] <rye> alecu: no, that's not related, that's from user's log
[13:24] <mandel> ok, lunch for me :)
[13:24] <rye> alecu: and regarding my logs - do you see there are a ton of notifications that delta can't be applied and node is broken, for newly subscribed UDF that is
[13:36] <dobey> man apt-get update is really slow with ppas right now :(
[13:58] <ralsina> alecu: ping 1-1 ?
[14:02] <gatox> alecu, mandel i've exceeded the 30 minutes and the changes broke the tests because of the way the things are being used... i'll finish this tomorrow......
[14:02] <gatox> ralsina, mandel alecu bye!
[14:02] <ralsina> gatox: bye, take care!
[14:02] <gatox> see you tomorrow......
[14:03] <rye> alecu: what does "unlink from trash" mean during local rescan?
[14:04] <alecu> rye: we'd have to ask verterok or facundo
[14:04] <alecu> rye: I tried going into the code of "unlink from trash" a few months ago, and got lost :P
[14:04] <alecu> ralsina: ack, entering mumble.
[14:09] <facundobatista> alecu, rye: when an unlink is started (because you removed a file locally), the metadata of that file is not obliterated, just removed from the main file and moved into "trash"
[14:10] <facundobatista> alecu, rye, if the Unlink against the server is successful, that "unlink" is removed from trash
[14:10] <facundobatista> alecu, rye, but if SD is stopped in the middle, in the next LR it will get those "unlinks in trash", and repeat the action against the server
[14:11] <facundobatista> alecu, rye, (these actions may fail, because the Unlink may be executed in the server but the client didn't get the response because it was stopped)
[14:11] <rye> facundobatista: aha, so files in this case are already removed... Does it check that the file is no longer there during populating these unlinks?
[14:11] <rye> hmmmm
[14:12] <facundobatista> rye, the *node* is no longer there, surely
[14:12] <facundobatista> (it may be other file with same path, but other node_id, but as the Unlink against the server goes with the node_id, we're ok)
[14:27]  * mandel back
[14:32] <ralsina> alecu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/1013401
[14:42] <dobey> ralsina: what about that bug? also, are we going to g+ or mumble today?
[14:42] <ralsina> dobey: was about something I was talking with alecu on the 1-1
[14:43] <ralsina> g+ or mumble... good question
[14:43] <ralsina> g+ is more fun
[14:43] <ralsina> g+ took us 15 mintues to set up
[14:43] <briancurtin> g+1
[14:43]  * ralsina delegates setting up g+ to briancurtin then ;-)
[14:43] <briancurtin> now that everyone has the plugin installed and knows you just login to google plus, i dont imagine it would be that bad
[14:44] <ralsina> no, wait, mumble because we have a special guest
[14:44] <dobey> well, the problme is the inviting the wrong account issue i think
[14:44] <ralsina> and I told him it was in mumble
[14:44] <ralsina> next week it's g+
[14:44] <dobey> oh
[14:45] <dobey> is it david lee roth?
[14:46] <ralsina> dobey: we don't want to up the insanity ratio
[14:46] <dobey> heh
[14:46] <ralsina> has anyone tried g+ events? If yes, does that include a hangout connected to the event?
[14:47] <dobey> i think you can make events that are hangouts, yes
[14:47] <briancurtin> i just read something about that the other day. i believe the answer is yes
[14:47]  * ralsina puts "crazy from the heat" in his grooveshark playlist
[14:47] <ralsina> if yes, then that would work nicely
[14:48] <mandel> are events recurrent? that would be convenient :)
[14:48] <mandel> and, is it thursday?
[14:48] <dobey> events must have plenty of currant
[14:48]  * mandel does not know the day he is in
[14:49] <ralsina> mandel: yes to the second, no idea to the 1st
[14:50] <dobey> why oh why is us.archive so slow
[14:51] <dobey> gah
[14:51] <dobey> where did ddate go?!
[14:58] <mmcc> hi all, going to grab my coffee, be back for the mumble
[14:58] <ralsina> dobey: http://calendar.discordipedia.org/
[14:58] <ralsina> which says Pungenday Confusion 47th, YOLD 3178
[15:00] <dobey> ralsina: right, but ddate isn't built in util-linux by default any more :(
[15:00] <dobey> do no /exec -o ddate
[15:00] <ralsina> dobey: the constant coroporatization of our ecosystem strikes again.
[15:01] <ralsina> dobey: it's not even in a package suggested by that annoying thing when you type a wrong command
[15:01] <dobey> i think i'll propose an SRU to enable it
[15:02] <dobey> also
[15:02] <dobey> mumble!
[15:03] <dobey> thisfred: mumble
[15:04] <ralsina> thisfred: mumbles!
[15:08] <thisfred> ah
[15:28] <alecu> frak
[15:28] <dobey> cylon
[15:29] <alecu> lol
[15:34] <ralsina> "diego and I did a huge refactor" gives me a BAD case of dejavu
[15:34] <dobey> haha
[15:40] <mandel> ralsina, che, look at the code!
[15:40] <mandel> ralsina, is a lot cleaner!
[15:43] <dobey> ralsina: did you try the windows drawing mode?
[15:44] <ralsina> dobey: showsn nothing interesting
[15:44] <ralsina> dobey: I think the widget is there but it's 0x0
[15:44] <mmcc> just noticed an email from the OCMock guy. I pinged him last week when I noticed that the license on the website hadn't changed. He's been on holiday, but he's going to work on it next.
[15:45] <ralsina> mmcc: yay
[15:46] <dobey> oh, also need to do all that reorg stuff i wanted to do, so we can drop -installer
[15:47] <mmcc> ralsina: I think I might want to try to add using symlinks for duplicate frameworks to setup-mac before sending you the current package - it's 1.2 GB :P
[15:47] <ralsina> mmcc: oh yes
[15:47] <ralsina> dobey: +1
[15:47] <mandel> wtf! 1.2Gb!!
[15:47] <mandel> wow
[15:47] <ralsina> mandel: 8 copies of Qt + python does that ;-)
[15:48] <mmcc> yep. naive version just to get it working, but if I want to share it, ouch :)
[15:50] <dobey> ralsina: oh, i'm seeing the quantal scroll areas bug too
[15:50]  * briancurtin coffee
[15:50] <ralsina> dobey: the one about no scrollbars?
[15:51] <dobey> ralsina: yeah
[15:51] <ralsina> dobey: for that one I am still blaming the gtk scrollbars plugin, though
[15:53] <dobey> ralsina: well, i mean there's no folder list or devices list, either
[15:53] <ralsina> dobey: no devices list? interesting
[15:53] <ralsina> dobey: yep, confirmed
[15:54] <ralsina> dobey: that one is probably the same as the folders list problem.
[15:54] <ralsina> s/probably/surely/
[15:54] <ralsina> but there is *another* bug where even when you have content, there is no visible scrollbar
[15:56] <dobey> yes
[15:57] <dobey> and that is overlay-scrollbar
[15:57] <dobey> actually, this might also be due to overlay-scrollbar
[15:57] <dobey> it's certainly due to the gtk+ stuff
[15:57] <dobey> anyway, i think it's time to get lunch :)
[15:57] <dobey> bbiab
[16:06] <mmcc> question - bug #1018924 is marked as affecting control-panel and sso, but is fixed by branches in sso and u1-client, not control-panel... should I just add u1client to the projects affected? I'm still kind of fuzzy on how we use these fields.
[16:08] <mmcc> and, what happens if I tag two branches with --fixes for the same bug?
[16:15] <ralsina> mmcc: nothing strange :-)
[16:16] <ralsina> mmcc: the first one to merge fixes it
[16:16] <ralsina> mmcc:  and both appear in the bug's page
[16:16] <mmcc> ok, so I should go ahead and tag them both, just for completeness?
[16:16] <ralsina> mmcc: if it's affecting the wrong project, change it in the bug itself, too
[16:16] <ralsina> mmcc: and yes, tag both so we keep track of what fixed what
[16:18] <mmcc> what definition of 'affects' should I use? all three are affected but control-panel is only affected because it imports affected code from u1-client
[16:18] <mmcc> sorry if I'm being dense :)
[16:20] <ralsina> mmcc: good question. I always assumed "affects" means "needs code changed"
[16:20] <ralsina> mmcc: I may have being ass-u-meing if you know wht I mean ;-)
[16:21] <mmcc> nah, that sounds reasonable. so I'll change that bug to only affect sso and u1client
[16:25] <mmcc> briancurtin, ralsina, kind of a review - I wasn't able to get the dirspec tests to run in my windows vm. can you grab trunk and see if it works for you? (and let me know how you run it?)
[16:25] <briancurtin> mmcc: will check
[16:25] <mmcc> thanks
[16:31] <briancurtin> mmcc: dirspec hasn't been brought up to work with the buildout setup, which you're probably using. i'll fix that up quick
[16:32] <mmcc> ah yes, that's true also -- but I'm actually talking about dirspec's own tests which I couldn't run separately on windows
[16:33] <mmcc> briancurtin: but thanks for reminding me that I need to kludge it to use dirspec trunk while I test the other branches :)
[16:34] <briancurtin> mmcc: i was just trying to run run-tests.bat in dirspec, which uses the old registry searching to find the right python which would need to have our deps installed in there (system-wide)
[16:36] <mmcc> briancurtin ok, now I understand what you meant.
[16:36] <mmcc> so you're fixing run-tests.bat? cool
[16:49] <mandel> all, eod here, I'll be proposing all branches tom so that they are landed
[16:49] <mandel> alecu, can you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/darwin4-fsevents/+merge/114405 so it does not block me tom?
[17:07] <dobey> ugh
[17:07] <dobey> the stable-2-0 client tests are failing with MemoryError now :(
[17:10] <dobey> ralsina: how would one get a QSCrollbar::event, without any scrollbars? :)
[17:11] <ralsina> dobey: you can create one
[17:12] <ralsina> dobey: but yikes
[17:12] <dobey> ralsina: yeah, i got a crash in the qt gtk+ theme stuff, in the drawing of scrollbar stuff, in the qt control panel
[17:13] <ralsina> dobey: and the app itself doesn't crash?
[17:13] <dobey> ralsina: either because i moved the scroll wheel, or clicked at 0,0 to see if the overlay would pop up
[17:13] <dobey> ralsina: the app did crash
[17:13] <ralsina> ok
[17:13] <dobey> ralsina: but it's in the qt/gtk theme code
[17:13] <ralsina> yes, using the wheel would trigger that
[17:14] <dobey> actually, going to try something real quick
[17:14] <dobey> well, maybe not so quick
[17:15] <dobey> since i don't have bzr or anything installed since doing a clean install of quantal on the laptop
[17:15] <ralsina> dobey: heh, I am setting that up myself :-)
[17:15] <ralsina> and either the repos or my internet needs fancy yoghurt because transit is slooooooow
[17:16] <dobey> yeah, ppas and us.archive seem to be extremely slow
[17:16] <dobey> though i think gb.archive was also being slow from within tarmac
[17:27] <mmcc> huh. well, on linux, StringIO apparently works just fine... wtf
[17:28] <dobey> yay python :(
[17:28] <ralsina> mmcc: yeah, that's what I tested last night
[17:29] <mmcc> arg, I just tested it from the python console and it did break...
[17:29] <mmcc> from io import StringIO; sio=StringIO(); sio.write("foo")
[17:29] <mmcc> is PIL using a different plugin for PNG on linux or something?
[17:32] <mmcc> answer, no it isn't, it's the same file doing the same thing but it doesn't blow up on linux.
[17:32] <dobey> i don't think we're using PIL on linux?
[17:33] <dobey> sigh, and quantal ate itself during apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:34] <mmcc> dobey, it doesn't seem to be platform dependent. it's ubuntu_sso/qt/setup_account_page.py:328
[17:34] <ralsina> dobey: we are using it just because we didn't special-case it
[17:34] <dobey> ah ok
[17:35] <dobey> i thought we were just using the qt magic on linux
[17:35] <ralsina> mmcc: let's just use ByteString and sweep it under the carpet
[17:35] <ralsina> ByteIo or whatever
[17:36] <mmcc> ralsina: ok, I'll plan to do that. that change is currently shelved in favor of the one I'm about to proposeвҖҰ
[17:36] <ralsina> mmcc: ack
[17:36] <mmcc> I was just testing it on linux and realized, hey wait this should've failedвҖҰ
[17:36]  * dobey wonders what to do about stable-2-0, and now quantal mess
[17:36] <ralsina> dobey: you are using quantal in real hardware? Brave guy!
[17:36] <mmcc> real hardware that is touch sensitive :)
[17:37] <ralsina> dobey: do we know the tests run in real oneiric? If yes, we can merge manually
[17:37] <dobey> ralsina: well, on my dell duo
[17:38] <dobey> ralsina: no; the tests aren't runnable on oneiric, because of the twisted stuff
[17:38] <ralsina> right
[17:38] <dobey> or well
[17:38] <dobey> hrmm
[17:38] <dobey> actually, let me check that
[17:38] <dobey> oh, well, trunk tests work on oneiric
[17:38] <dobey> stable-2-0 doesn't
[17:40] <ralsina> dobey: I leave you the judgment call about merging manually. It does look harmless.
[17:44] <mmcc> briancurtin, ralsina: may I request your review of path changes to ubuntu-sso-client: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntu-sso-client/use-dirspec-get-program-path/+merge/114690
[17:45] <ralsina> oh, look, a harmless little fishing fun! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcuYjDR2tSg&feature=player_embedded
[17:45] <ralsina> mmcc: sure!
[17:45] <briancurtin> mmcc: yep, will look in a min (also working on the run-tests.bat thing, oddly it wasn't as easy as just doing the same setup we do for other projects)
[17:46] <mmcc> thanks guys. I just added a note to the description that it needs a current trunk version of dirspec.
[17:47] <mmcc> also please give the windows portion special attention, the tests run for me, but I don't know how to package it, so I couldn't test that it finds things correctly on windows.
[17:47] <mmcc> er, on windows when packaged
[18:06]  * mmcc really needs to get vbox shared directories set upвҖҰ
[18:08] <ralsina> argh, virtulbox, y u no stop crashing!
[18:08]  * ralsina goe have lunch while everything updates and hopes for the best
[18:11]  * mmcc goes for lunch while both VMs run test suitesвҖҰ
[18:13]  * briancurtin following the lunch brigade
[18:16] <dobey> ugh, python3 package is broken in quantal :(
[18:19] <dobey> briancurtin, ralsina: when you return: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/dirspec/no-twisted/+merge/114695
[18:58] <briancurtin> dobey: approved
[18:59] <dobey> thanks
[19:01] <ralsina> dobey: I +1d it too earlier
[19:04]  * alecu runs to the kinder.
[19:43] <dobey> ralsina, briancurtin: another one you should like, though it's a bit larger: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/dirspec/python3/+merge/114713
[19:43] <ralsina> dobey: last one seems to have bounced though
[19:44] <dobey> ralsina: nah, i fixed it already. it's merged
[19:44] <ralsina> dobey: ok then
[19:44] <dobey> couple of skips that got overlooked (so weren't getting skipped), that are skipped due to another bug
[19:45] <dobey> i just hope supporting py3 doesn't break all the unicode stuff on windows and whatnot
[19:54] <mmcc> do we still have an open bug for that unicode path test failure on windows? or am I missing a merge (in u1-client)?
[19:58] <dobey> which one?
[20:02] <mmcc> dobey, this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1088632/
[20:02] <mmcc> I thought I remembered seeing that in a report late last week or maybe on Monday.
[20:02] <dobey> oh, i don't think that got fixed yet
[20:03] <dobey> don't think it was a bug report
[20:03] <dobey> jenkins windows test failed because of it
[20:03] <mmcc> ah, right that sounds familiar. ok
[20:05] <ralsina> there is one and I assigned it to brian  IIRC
[20:05] <dobey> ah
[20:17] <briancurtin> sorry, was away for the last 20 minutes dealing with apartment stuff
[20:20] <mmcc> briancurtin: just in time for another path handling review! hooray: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-client/use-dirspec-get-cmdline/+merge/114720
[20:20] <mmcc> cc ralsina вӨҙ
[20:20] <ralsina> mmcc: neat
[20:21] <ralsina> mmcc: also, your arrowis all bent!
[20:21] <mmcc> ralsina it could be worse: вҶӯвҶҜ
[20:22] <ralsina> вҶ®
[20:22] <ralsina> вҶ¬
[20:23] <ralsina> I am about to do something evil.  A few years ago, fonts were missing plain european diacritics :-)
[20:28] <mmcc> truly we live in the future.
[20:28] <alecu> unicode ftw!
[20:29]  * alecu installs a quassel in the windows vm to see if they look as well as in ubuntu and osx.
[20:29]  * ralsina creates a file called вҮӨ 1MB вҮҘ that measures 1MB
[20:30]  * mmcc can't find the unicode poo sign in my character pallette :\
[20:31] <alecu> even the android font has most of those arrows.
[20:31] <ralsina> mmcc: that's U+1F4A9 if it helps :-)
[20:31] <alecu> s/android font/roboto/
[20:31] <alecu> ralsina: that's certainly a number to remember
[20:32] <alecu> ralsina: it's as hallmark as 53280 and 53281
[20:32] <ralsina> hahaha
[20:32] <mmcc> here's the true sign of the future: The Home Depot sent me an email with this subject line "We Like Your Style вҳҖ"
[20:32] <ralsina> C64 FTW
[20:32] <mmcc> unicode in marketing spam from a big-box retailer? 2012.
[20:32] <ralsina> Damn, I did remember poke 53280 :-)
[20:32] <ralsina> gotta do a school run
[20:33] <ralsina> will be back late tonight
[20:52] <alecu> damn you, noisy cooler inside my desktop :-(
[20:56] <mmcc> hrm, tried to set up virtualbox shared folder automounted, but I have to be a member of the 'vboxsf' group, and for some reason, 'sudo usermod -a -G vboxsf mmccrack' doesn't change what 'groups' says I'm in. Am I missing something here?
[20:58] <alecu> mmcc: was /etc/group changed?
[20:58] <alecu> mmcc: if so, try logging out and back in. That's usually needed for group changes.
[20:59] <mmcc> alecu, yes it was, and aha. will do - thanks!
[20:59]  * alecu will shut down to check on the very noisy cooler
[21:32] <dobey> alright, i'm out. have a good evening all!
[21:32] <alecu> ok, this is EOD for me too.
[21:32] <alecu> see y'all tomorrow!
[21:47] <mmcc> so, it looks like out of the five modules in the MediaCollector copy_extensions list in windows setup.py, only storageprotocol is actually used anymore...
[21:47] <mmcc> I know we killed the lazr dependency, and 'wadl' doesn't show up anywhere in a grep of all the source
[21:52] <mmcc> briancurtin: is there a doc (or script?) somewhere with step-by-step instructions to build the win exe? I'm wondering when storageprotocol in that process
[21:53] <mmcc> because the other projects are built as subprocesses of setup.py but storageprotocol is just copied in with that MediaCollector extension
[21:53] <briancurtin> mmcc: https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuOne/Windows/ReleaseChecklist is probably the page but it claims i'm not allowed to view it. however...
[21:54] <briancurtin> in ubuntuone-windows-installer, running build_installer.py should take care of everything
[21:54] <mmcc> re: wiki - yeah you need to log out and log back in. something expired and everyone hit that
[21:54] <mmcc> also, thanks
[21:55] <briancurtin> if you just want to create ubuntuone-syncdaemon.exe and the other *.exe binaries but don't care about the entire installer, the "Setup a fresh..." section will be all you need
[21:56] <mmcc> yeah, that's what I was looking for. actually I'm working on the setup-mac script, it wasn't copying storageprotocol correctly and I wanted to see where we were doing it on windows
[21:56] <mmcc> looks like it's a manual step 5b, for some reason
[21:56] <mmcc> that is, building storageprotocol
[22:13] <ralsina> briancurtin: something happened to that wiki, you need to logout/login
[22:14] <briancurtin> yeah mmcc let me know, it works now
[22:14] <mmcc> could it be possible that i just never installed protoc on this computer?!
[22:18] <mmcc> oh, of couse I installed it in a random place and took no notes
[22:18] <briancurtin> mmcc: env.bat, as a part of the buildout setup, should download it and put it in a place it knows about (i think bin/) so storageprotocol builds/works fine
[22:19] <briancurtin> there's a get_protoc.py script that env.bat runs to download it
[22:20] <mmcc> ah, ok. thanks. maybe I'll steal that for darwin. I think I just grabbed a copy manually and forgot where I installed it
[22:20] <mmcc> naturally
[22:22] <mmcc> briancurtin: just saw your comment on the u1client mp - pushed the fix.
[22:24] <briancurtin> cool, approved then. sometimes i hate mentioning such little stuff like that, but it's better than pushing it aside forever then realizing 6 months later we shifted the normal style
[22:35] <briancurtin> i'm out of here. see everyone tomorrow
[23:12] <mmcc> if anyone's still around and wants another review: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-windows-installer/setup-mac-add-sd/+merge/114749
[23:12] <mmcc> :)
[23:12] <mmcc> and now I'm going away too.


[09:21] <oSoMoN> zsombi, hey, I replied to your questions on bug #1671121
[09:21] <zsombi> oSoMoN: k
[13:57] <thepeter> popey, I am trying to create simple html5 app in QtCreator (since I am on different distro) from your template https://github.com/popey/ubuntu-html5-template so I edited app.desktop and jsno.manifest and added files in www folder, so I know it is probably noob question but should I somehow build it in QtCreator and then copy result to phone (it is in developers mode)? because QtCreator doesnt give me option to build it :)
[14:23] <popey> thepeter: i think you'd need the ubuntu modified version of qtcreator for that to work, sorry
[14:28] <thepeter> popey, uhm and is there a way how to apply those modifications on installed QtCreator?
[14:35] <popey> I don't know, sorry. Theyre's quite a lot to it.
[15:09] <renatu> popey, do you know if that app is configured to auto-landing? https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-weather-app/snap-mir-libs/+merge/321212
[15:09] <renatu> popey, or jenkins is broken?
[15:15] <popey> it certainly was https://core-apps-jenkins.ubuntu.com/
[16:50] <thepeter> popey, so to summarise simply it is necessary to have ubuntu on PC to develop apps for touch? (no "text editor" way in different distro?)
[16:52] <popey> thepeter: it is possible yes
[16:52] <popey> but i am currently afk so cant easily rxplain how
[16:53] <thepeter> popey, :) I understand do you have keyword search suggestion under which I would find any hints? :)
[16:55] <thepeter> or maybe different person to contact here
[18:13] <bartbes> popey: time for a snap? :P
[20:55]  * thepeter just realised there is MWC2017 in progress - that explains a lot :)


[22:10] <_marx_> BugeyeD: beanboy is going to be at SELF
[22:11] <_marx_> sudo make coffee mugs for sale