[00:24] <Lyaa> cjwatson: well thanks - keep up the good work! :) off to bed.. ;-)
[01:10] <CIA-35> user-setup: cjwatson * r212 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog user-setup-apply):
[01:10] <CIA-35> user-setup: Fix automatic login on situations where custom.conf didn't exist
[01:10] <CIA-35> user-setup: already on the target.
[01:12] <CIA-35> user-setup: cjwatson * r213 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.28ubuntu3
[08:22] <CIA-35> wubi: evand * r511 hardy/ (data/isolist.ini data/settings.nsh debian/changelog): Bump Ubuntu desktop images to 8.04.4
[08:54] <CIA-35> ubiquity: superm1 * r3683 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity debian/changelog):
[08:54] <CIA-35> ubiquity: Drop old hack for copying ^xserver-xorg onto the target system. No
[08:54] <CIA-35> ubiquity: longer necessary as thse variables don't exist in current installs.
[08:57] <ev> nice catch
[11:46] <ev> michaelforrest: have you had a chance to look at the installer page transition stuff from yesterday?
[11:47] <michaelforrest> ev: do you have a minute to talk me through it?
[11:48] <michaelforrest> ev: I'm not sure I understand the rationale behind the changes
[11:48] <ev> michaelforrest: sure
[11:48] <ev> michaelforrest: there were two bugs associated with this, both filed by mpt:
[11:48] <ev> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/414912
[11:48] <ev> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/336751
[11:49] <michaelforrest> ev: I see
[11:49] <michaelforrest> ev: I think we can certainly improve this visually!
[11:50] <michaelforrest> ev: the full screen spinner is definitely not the way to go, but I think we can make some minor tweaks to make it a bit less in-your-face
[11:50] <ev> michaelforrest: great
[11:51] <ev> what are your thoughts on the spinner on the advanced partitioning page, just to the right of the partition buttons.  Is that okay?
[11:52] <ev> http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/transitions.html if you lost the link
[11:52] <michaelforrest> ev I think we should make the other transitions match that style
[11:53] <michaelforrest> I disagree with mpt's idea to hide everything instantly. greying out maybe, but all it really needs is a spinner like you have in the partitioning page
[11:53] <ev> right, cjwatson mentioned yesterday the idea of having something of that style on the window for all of the transitions, but we were at a loss of where to put it
[11:53] <ev> ah, indeed
[11:53] <michaelforrest> to be honest, I don't think we need much more than a greying out of the Forward button, especially given that the mouse pointer spins
[11:54] <ev> it already greys out
[11:54] <ev> so are we already set then :) ?
[11:54] <michaelforrest> I think a message would relieve the 'disconcertingness' of it
[11:55] <michaelforrest> (just looking at how it used to work)
[11:55] <cjwatson> thought: could we put a spinner on one of the buttons?
[11:55] <michaelforrest> yeah I thought that too
[11:55] <cjwatson> hmm, don't get a message that way though
[11:56] <michaelforrest> in case the user is using the keyboard
[11:56] <cjwatson> we disable the buttons anyway
[11:56] <michaelforrest> and didn't click the button but pressed enter
[11:56] <cjwatson> I'm thinking of the case where we're entering the timezone page, when we access the network to sync up the clock; in that case a message is nice since it might take a while
[11:56] <cjwatson> for ordinary page transitions a spinner on Forward or Back as appropriate might doo the job
[11:57] <cjwatson> do
[11:57] <cjwatson> maybe I'm inventing too many alternatives here
[11:57] <michaelforrest> it's common behaviour on the web for the button to grey out
[11:57] <michaelforrest> but you'd see the ilttle globe spinning or whatever
[11:57] <cjwatson> yeah, we do that already
[11:57] <michaelforrest> but we see the mouse pointer spinning here
[11:57] <cjwatson> (grey out)
[11:57] <michaelforrest> I think the bug is invalid, to be honest!
[11:57] <ev> hooray
[11:57] <michaelforrest> the important one is not to ever spawn a new window
[11:58] <cjwatson> right, that's bug 336751
[11:58] <ev> so do we get rid of the progress dialogs then?
[11:58] <michaelforrest> we need a consistent location to put this progress stuff, I think
[11:58] <michaelforrest> I'll get otto to help me with a layout
[11:58] <cjwatson> the question is how to convey the information in the progress dialogs (or cut-down versions of that information, as appropriate) without dialogs
[11:58] <ev> right
[11:58] <michaelforrest> we need to bring the dialogues into the body of the page instead of spawning a new window
[11:59] <ev> michaelforrest: please keep me in the loop on that layout as this is a work item for me for 9.10
[11:59] <cjwatson> for bug 414912, my feeling is that we should leave it open until we're in a position to be able to switch to the new page layout immediately
[11:59] <michaelforrest> I still haven't had a chance to show Mark the work I've done on the installer, but I am in a meeting with him today.
[11:59] <cjwatson> that's what that bug really is, not dodgy workarounds with progress information :)
[12:01] <ev> cjwatson: can you expand on that a bit?  I'm not sure I follow.
[12:02] <cjwatson> on Forward, we finish off the backend work for the current page, start up the backend for the new page, then flip the UI
[12:02] <cjwatson> hmm, there's some justification for this though
[12:03] <cjwatson> the reason is that the backend gets to determine whether a page is going to be displayed at all (e.g. automation)
[12:03] <cjwatson> so maybe this isn't a viable change
[12:04] <ev> ah, indeed
[12:04] <cjwatson> so I guess ignore my mutterings. :)
[12:15] <CIA-35> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3684 ubiquity/.bzrignore: ignore po/*.gmo
[12:17] <CIA-35> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3685 ubiquity/bin/ubiquity: revert incorrect VERSION change from r3683
[13:16] <dpm> hi ev1, I'm trying to sort out the xkeyboard-config template in the translations import queue in LP. Has the path of the generated template been changed from po/xkeyboard-config.pot to debian/xkeyboard-config.pot?
[13:22] <dpm> cjwatson, superm1, we've also got quite a lot of templates of type d-i/source/clock-setup/debian/po/templates.pot, d-i/source/preseed/debian/po/templates.pot, etc. for ubiquity in the imports queue. Are this merged into the main ubiquity template and thus can I safely block them from being imported?
[13:23] <cjwatson> block 'em
[13:23] <cjwatson> they're merged into debian-installer
[13:43] <dpm> cjwatson, ok, blocked, thanks
[13:46] <cjwatson> ev1: do you know what's going on with bug 488599?  I've seen that in my own tests
[13:46]  * ev1 looks
[13:46] <cjwatson> I assume that win_size_req can't work properly until the window is realised or something, but I can't work out the correct fix
[13:50] <ev1> I haven't noticed it yet.  Hrm, are you able to reproduce this?
[13:52] <cjwatson> I could yesterday
[13:52]  * cjwatson fires up another VM, yay for lots of RAM
[13:53] <cjwatson> BTW, we should do a ubiquity upload at some point today - Scott's autotests are running into the bug Mario fixed in user-setup last night
[13:53] <ev1> my initial thought is perhaps that callback fires more than once, and we can work around the problem by checking for a gdk window?
[13:54] <ev1> indeed, will do
[13:56] <cjwatson> damn.  now I'm not seeing it.  sorry
[13:56] <ev1> it's okay
[13:56] <ev1> I'll keep digging and see if I can find a definitive answer as to why that's happening
[13:56] <cjwatson> I was seeing it literally every run yesterday
[14:18] <CIA-41> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3686 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/filteredcommand.py):
[14:18] <CIA-41> ubiquity: Initialise FilteredCommand.ui_loop_level earlier, just in case
[14:18] <CIA-41> ubiquity: (LP: #484452).
[14:21] <CIA-41> console-setup: evand * r121 console-setup.ubuntu/ (7 files in 3 dirs):
[14:21] <CIA-41> console-setup: * Merge support for translated keyboard names from Debian.
[14:21] <CIA-41> console-setup: * Update ckb/rules/base.xml to point at the new location.
[14:24]  * ev shakes his fist at Keybuk for not pushing his console-setup changes to trunk
[14:29] <ev> erm, actually
[14:31] <ev> cjwatson: are we using lp:ubuntu/console-setup instead of lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/console-setup/ubuntu now?
[14:32] <cjwatson> not as far as I'm concerned
[14:32] <ev> okay, good
[14:32] <cjwatson> I have an outstanding request open with james_w to make them identical, but in the meantime Keybuk is probably just being overly opinionated :)
[14:34] <saispo> hi all
[14:34] <ev> lol, always a safe assumption
[14:34] <saispo> cjwatson: i try to bypass unauthenticated gpg package in preseed but if i have a personnal lsb-release and libldap, i got a red screen, he don't want to install them, it's normal ?
[14:35] <cjwatson> I don't know
[14:35] <saispo> ok
[14:38] <cjwatson> if you want me to debug, I need full logs with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer
[14:45] <ev> cjwatson: before I go ahead and fix this with bzr diff -r70..72 | patch -p0 -d ../console-setup.ubuntu, do you know of any way to reconcile this as a proper bzr merge?
[14:46] <ev> I tried merge -r70..72, but that failed miserably
[14:48] <michaelforrest> ev: what can I do to see the installer from my normal desktop? I installed the ubiquity package which seemed promising..
[14:48] <ev> michaelforrest: yeah, I would avoid doing that
[14:48] <michaelforrest> ev: avoid looking at the installer?
[14:48] <ev> sorry, avoid running it on your system
[14:48] <michaelforrest> ev: or avoid installing the ubiquity package?
[14:49] <michaelforrest> ev: I want to see it with the new theme-in-progress
[14:49] <michaelforrest> ev: can't I just run it as though I was on a live cd?
[14:49] <ev> michaelforrest: are you able to run it under a virtual machine?
[14:50] <michaelforrest> ev: can't I just run it normally? what's the problem?
[14:51] <michaelforrest> ev: I don't want to be maintaining yet another vm instance, especially since my ubuntu laptop doesn't have a cpu that supports virtualisation
[14:51] <ev> michaelforrest: you can technically run it normally up to the point where it would start copying files
[14:51] <michaelforrest> ev: yeah that's all I want to do
[14:51] <ev> as that depends on files only present on the CD
[14:51] <michaelforrest> I just want to quickly get a feel for how it looks
[14:51] <ev> some things will still not work just right (such as getting the release name, as that relies on /.disk/info from the CD)
[14:52] <michaelforrest> so given that I am prepared for glitches, can I do it?
[14:52] <ev> sure
[14:52] <ev> just be careful to not resize a partition and then hit next and confirm the dialog, or get to the summary page and press install.
[14:52] <michaelforrest> yeah I'm not gonna do that, don't worry ;)
[14:52] <CIA-41> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3687 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge lp:~dylanmccall/ubiquity/lp-476269
[14:52] <michaelforrest> so what do I need to do?
[14:52] <ev> sure, just covering my bases
[14:53] <ev> installing ubiquity-frontend-gtk should be enough
[14:53] <michaelforrest> don't worry - I'm a responsible adult ;)
[14:53] <cjwatson> ev: I don't think you can do it as a proper merge
[14:53] <ev> cjwatson: patch it is.  Just wanted to be sure you weren't aware of any black magic.
[14:53] <cjwatson> ev: only thing I'd suggest is to commit the patches one by one so you can use --author
[14:53] <michaelforrest> ev:  perfect, thatnks
[14:53] <ev> ah, will do
[14:53] <michaelforrest> *thanks
[14:54] <cjwatson> michaelforrest: the installer *will* change the configuration of your system even before you get to Install
[14:54] <cjwatson> in particular the keyboard layout stuff
[14:54] <ev> might want to have a console open with setxkbmap us or something similar
[14:54] <ev> queued up, that is
[14:55] <michaelforrest> cjwatson: that's fine. I just want a peak so as long as it's not doing something serious in the background it's fine
[14:55] <michaelforrest> I've got what I need now anyway.
[14:55] <michaelforrest> ev: do you think it would be productive for me to look at glade files?
[14:55] <michaelforrest> ev: (assuming there are glade files for the interface screens)
[14:55] <CIA-41> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3688 ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/ (base.py gtk_ui.py): style
[14:55] <ev> michaelforrest: can you be more specific?
[14:56] <ev> there are, though some are filled out by the installer at runtime
[14:56] <ev> the partition pages in particular
[14:56] <ev> if you have a bzr branch, they're in gui/gtk; otherwise, look in /usr/share/ubiquity/gtk
[14:56] <michaelforrest> ev: that's okay -I'm more interested in giving some of of the simpler pages a little love
[14:56] <ev> awesome
[14:57] <michaelforrest> ev: are they somewhere logical that I could view them in glade?
[14:57] <ev> michaelforrest: /usr/share/ubiquity/gtk
[14:57] <michaelforrest> ev: I will understand that there are localisation issues and so on - if you point me to the right repository I shouldn't need to bother you too much :)
[14:58] <michaelforrest> ah, perfect
[14:58] <CIA-41> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3689 ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py: sync KDE frontend with Dylan's slideshow changes
[14:59] <ev> ubiquity.ui contains the main window that each step gets added to
[14:59] <michaelforrest> ev: already there
[14:59] <michaelforrest> doesn't look like there's much I could do here :(
[14:59] <ev> each stepPageName.ui file contains the ui specific for that page
[14:59] <ev> oh?
[15:00] <michaelforrest> ev: well - not something that wouldn't be easier to achieve with mockups
[15:01] <ev> gotcha
[15:09] <robbiew> ev: do you know why Keybuk's daily installer and boot charts have stopped?
[15:09] <ev> robbiew: there was a bug in user-setup that superm1 has since fixed
[15:09] <ev> we're going to upload a new ubiquity today to fix it
[15:10] <robbiew> ev: okay.  I actually don't mind that it broke, was more worried Keybuk's scripts were broken :P
[15:10] <ev> nope :)
[15:10] <robbiew> seems that the tool is doing its job then :D
[15:10] <robbiew> thanks
[15:12] <cjwatson> he was also having trouble syncing his output to the new people.canonical.com
[15:13] <cjwatson> and couldn't easily deal with it while on a radically different timezone from most of IS
[15:13] <ev> indeed, I think we'll be in a much better place with respect to automation of ubiquity than we've been in previous releases
[15:14] <saispo> cjwatson: i can send you the full debug if you want
[15:14] <cjwatson> saispo: sure
[15:14] <saispo> ok, i grab it and where i can send it to you ?
[15:15] <cjwatson><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:15] <cjwatson> can't promise to debug everyone's personal customisation problems though.
[15:15] <saispo> i understand, no problem
[15:17] <CIA-41> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3690 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-timezone.py): merge lp:~mterry/ubiquity/refresh-timezones
[15:18] <CIA-41> console-setup: evand * r122 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog console-setup.initramfs-hook rules):
[15:18] <CIA-41> console-setup: * debian/console-setup.initramfs-hook: There's no harm having the hook
[15:18] <CIA-41> console-setup:  run in the non-framebuffer case, it just copies things into the
[15:18] <CIA-41> console-setup:  initramfs which may be useful.
[15:18] <CIA-41> console-setup: * debian/rules: That means we can copy the hook into scripts/panic as
[15:18] <CIA-41> console-setup:  well (stripping the OPTION from it), so when we need a shell, we'll
[15:18] <CIA-41> console-setup:  load the keymap.
[15:22] <CIA-41> console-setup: evand * r123 console-setup/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.34ubuntu6
[15:24] <ev> unless there are any objections, I'm going to release a new ubiquity in a few minutes
[15:24] <saispo> cjwatson: sending, thanks
[15:29] <saispo> cjwatson: my messages is in hold because the size is over than required
[15:30] <saispo> it's a problem or you can moderate it ?
[15:34] <ev> mterry: anything else you want to land?
[15:34] <ev> ah sorry
[15:34] <ev> didn't realize that was a merge at first
[15:34] <mterry> ev, yeah, that patch has been sitting around since karmic released.  I don't have anything recent
[15:34] <ev> okay cool
[15:35] <CIA-41> ubiquity: evand * r3691 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[15:35] <CIA-41> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: localechooser
[15:35] <CIA-41> ubiquity: 2.12ubuntu3, user-setup 1.28ubuntu3.
[15:48] <CIA-41> ubiquity: evand * r3692 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.1.12
[16:21] <CIA-41> console-setup: evand * r124 console-setup/ (Keyboard/KeyboardNames.pl debian/changelog): releasing version 1.34ubuntu7
[17:15] <CIA-41> partman-uboot: cjwatson * r8 ubuntu/debian/ (partman-uboot.templates po/templates.pot): fix up .pot file a bit
[17:17] <CIA-41> partman-uboot: cjwatson * r9 ubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[17:17] <CIA-41> partman-uboot: Use partman-basicfilesystems/mountpoint_manual rather than
[17:17] <CIA-41> partman-uboot: partman-uboot/mountpoint_manual; there's no need for a different
[17:17] <CIA-41> partman-uboot: template here, and it saves having to teach ubiquity about the extra one
[17:17] <CIA-41> partman-uboot: (LP: #462798).
[17:21] <CIA-41> partman-uboot: cjwatson * r8 2.1/ (commit.d/format_uboot debian/changelog):
[17:21] <CIA-41> partman-uboot: mkfs.ext2 with -I 128 and not -b 4096 as this is what Marvell recommends
[17:21] <CIA-41> partman-uboot: to work around a bug in older Uboots.
[17:22] <CIA-41> partman-uboot: cjwatson * r10 ubuntu/ (commit.d/format_uboot debian/changelog): merge partman-uboot 2.1
[17:23] <CIA-41> partman-uboot: cjwatson * r11 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 3
[17:45] <CIA-41> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3693 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog):
[17:45] <CIA-41> ubiquity: Don't crash if something races with ubiquity or ubiquity-dm to create
[17:45] <CIA-41> ubiquity: /var/log/installer (LP: #458806).
[17:47] <superm1> what else would be making /var/log/installer?
[17:58] <cjwatson> two simultaneous runs of ubiquity
[17:58] <cjwatson> before it acquires the lock
[17:59] <cjwatson> note that ubiquity-dm creates /var/log/installer, and that's outside ubiquity's main lock
[17:59] <cjwatson> anyway, didn't seem that interesting to figure out exactly why, I just wanted to get another off the list
[18:02] <superm1> oh i guess a real world scenario is if someone goes crazy clicking the icon a bunch because it's not opening instantly
[18:05] <cjwatson> backtrack needs to deal with their own freaking bugs
[18:31] <cjwatson> ev: have you seen bug 368060?  scary ...
[18:39] <cjwatson> ev: bug 337306 may relate to the oem-config troubles you were having
[18:41] <cjwatson> ev: or maybe just look at how the server frontend does it
[19:04] <CIA-41> grub-installer: cjwatson * r831 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer):
[19:04] <CIA-41> grub-installer: Don't check for LVM when we've already worked out that we're installing
[19:04] <CIA-41> grub-installer: on SATA RAID.
[19:05] <CIA-41> grub-installer: cjwatson * r832 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.49ubuntu2
[20:57] <ev> cjwatson: thanks for the pointers
[20:57] <ev> and yeah, yikes
[21:30] <ev> cjwatson: shall I ask Ken to mock up something else?
[21:32] <ev> not sure how else to represent it given that the time zone ends at that border.  We could just remove Kashmir, but I imagine that would make people just as angry.
[22:30] <cjwatson> ev: I'm not sure - I haven't looked at it in detail
[22:30] <cjwatson> ev: IIRC other implementations fuzz the line around there somehow
[22:30] <ev> good call, I'll see what others do here
[22:46] <superm1> cjwatson, how would you feel about something like this: http://pastebin.com/f76a9d3e1  ?  I think that would allow multiple files to be preseeded (as additional arguments)
[22:48] <cjwatson> superm1: looks good to me except that it flips the override order of variables specified on the command line vs. those in files
[22:48] <cjwatson> superm1: I think I'd recommend keeping the list of locations and processing them all at the end, to avoid inadvertently breaking some weird case or other
[22:49] <superm1> cjwatson, okay, i'll flip that around.  i think either way, the order will suddenly matter at least for stacked preseed files
[22:49] <superm1> not much of a way to avoid that
[22:50] <cjwatson> I don't think that's true, this script isn't recursive
[22:50] <cjwatson> just processing them all at the end would keep the same ordering semantics but permit specifying any or all of preseed/file= file= url=
[22:52] <superm1> well i mean if multiple preseed files are specifying the same key, then it's entirely possible that the order they were specified on the command line will determine which one's setting of that key would take effect since they would still be individually loaded in via debconf-set-selections
[22:58] <cjwatson> certainly
[22:58] <cjwatson> but that's OK, I think
[22:58] <superm1> Ok.
[22:58] <superm1> in trying to get dmraid sorted out, i think this is gonna be necessary for our implementation of it
[22:58] <cjwatson> I don't mind new handling being a bit odd, I just don't want to perturb existing handling
[22:58] <superm1> Ok
[23:16] <ev> has anyone actually been able to get the kubuntu lucid images to work in kvm?
[23:21] <ev> ah, my bad
[23:21] <ev> -vga std, in case anyone else runs into it
[23:30] <dmarkey_> is it possible to disable ext4 in the installer
[23:30] <dmarkey_> using preseed, etc
[23:31] <smagoun> dmarkey_: 'd-i partman/default_filesystem string ext3' should set the filesystem to ext3
[23:31] <dmarkey_> thats excellent, thanks
[23:32] <CIA-41> casper: superm1 * r734 casper/ (debian/changelog scripts/casper-bottom/24preseed):
[23:32] <CIA-41> casper: Support multiple preseed file/urlarguments on the kernel commandline
[23:32] <CIA-41> casper: rather than just selecting the last one and going with that.
[23:32] <dmarkey_> smagoun: how about force grub1?
[23:32] <smagoun> dmarkey_: d-i grub-installer/grub2_instead_of_grub_legacy boolean false
[23:33] <dmarkey_> are these documented anywhere
[23:33] <cjwatson> but please tell us why you don't want grub2 (in a bug report) so that we can fix whatever it is.
[23:33] <smagoun> dmarkey_: you mean besides the source? :) I am not sure
[23:33] <cjwatson> the first is documented in the installation guide
[23:33] <CIA-41> casper: superm1 * r735 casper/debian/ (changelog control): debian/control: Set Vcs-Bzr.
[23:33] <cjwatson> the second isn't documented at the moment AFAICS
[23:34] <dmarkey_> cjwatson: this is for a xen domu, pygrub doesnt support grub2 yet
[23:34] <dmarkey_> not an ubuntu bug as such
[23:34] <cjwatson> superm1: please use lp:ubuntu/casper not lp:casper, as discussed on #ubuntu-devel 2010-01-05
[23:35] <cjwatson> dmarkey_: ok
[23:35] <superm1> cjwatson, lol.  here i thought this one was right.  okay i'll push  there
[23:35] <cjwatson> 16:51 <cjwatson> superm1,pitti,ev: please note for future commits that casper is in lp:ubuntu/casper now rather than lp:caspper
[23:36] <dmarkey_> cjwatson: i think i was talking to you about a year ago about getting the ubuntu installer to work proberly under xen paravirt
[23:39] <CIA-41> ubiquity: evand * r3694 ubiquity/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Support the new translated keyboard names in console-setup.
[23:39] <cjwatson> dmarkey_: might have been - I'm afraid it hasn't been much of a priority for me to improve
[23:39] <dmarkey_> but its so close
[23:40] <dmarkey_> all it needs is the xen modules included
[23:40] <cjwatson> "all"
[23:40] <cjwatson> that needs a consistently maintained Xen kernel ...
[23:40] <CIA-41> casper: superm1 * r745 casper/ (debian/changelog scripts/casper-bottom/24preseed):
[23:40] <CIA-41> casper: Support multiple preseed file/urlarguments on the kernel commandline
[23:40] <CIA-41> casper: rather than just selecting the last one and going with that.
[23:40] <dmarkey_> nope
[23:40] <dmarkey_> it doesnt need any seperate kernel
[23:41] <CIA-41> ubiquity: evand * r3695 ubiquity/debian/changelog: LP bug reference for previous commit.
[23:41] <CIA-41> casper: superm1 * r746 casper/debian/ (changelog control): debian/control: Set Vcs-Bzr.
[23:42] <cjwatson> dmarkey_: do you mean xen-blkfront, xen-netfront, and netxen-nic?
[23:42] <dmarkey_> yup
[23:42] <dmarkey_> not sure about the 3rd, but the 1st 2 anyway
[23:42] <cjwatson> neither xen-blkfront nor xen-netfront appears to be available in the lucid generic kernel
[23:43] <dmarkey_> 64bit?
[23:43] <cjwatson> i386
[23:43] <dmarkey_> well they are in the vanilla kernel since .22
[23:44] <dmarkey_> i think i seen this before, try 64bit, i bet they are there
[23:45] <cjwatson> sure, but I'd rather keep d-i consistent.  why aren't they in the i386 generic build?
[23:45] <cjwatson> the config for those appears to be common
[23:45] <dmarkey_> im not sure
[23:47] <cjwatson> config XEN
[23:47] <cjwatson>         depends on X86_64 || (X86_32 && X86_PAE && !X86_VISWS)
[23:47] <cjwatson>         depends on X86_CMPXCHG && X86_TSC
[23:47] <cjwatson> maybe that's it
[23:47] <dmarkey_> oh, PAE only?
[23:48] <cjwatson> well, if it's 64-bit only, so be it; it would require a change to our kernel packaging to add those modules to the appropriate udebs
[23:48] <dmarkey_> what are udebs
[23:48] <cjwatson> (d-i's i386 build comes from -generic not -generic-pae, it doesn't get to use PAE bits; and in any case those modules don't seem to be in our -generic-pae build either)
[23:48] <cjwatson> google please!
[23:49] <cjwatson> anyway, file a bug against the 'linux' package in Ubuntu asking for those to be added
[23:49] <cjwatson> refer them to me for the details if you like
[23:49] <dmarkey_> oh, i'll do it tomorrow, bed time for me now
[23:49] <cjwatson> from the arrangement in Debian, xen-blkfront goes in scsi-modules, xen-netfront in nic-modules, and netxen_nic in nic-extra-modules
[23:49] <dmarkey_> thanks!
[23:49] <dmarkey_> i see
[23:50] <dmarkey_> would i include all this in the bug?
[23:50] <cjwatson> netxen_nic is already in there
[23:50] <cjwatson> yes
[23:50] <dmarkey_> NetXen Multi port (1/10) Gigabit Network Driver
[23:50] <dmarkey_> thats unrelated
[23:50] <cjwatson> ok, skip that then
[23:51] <dmarkey_> cool, talk tomorrow, thanks!


[00:07] <bsharitt> I'm having a slight problem with disabling the touch to click function of my trackpad in Ubuntu.
[00:08] <bsharitt> Yesterday I got GSynaptics to turn it off and I got the error: "GSynaptics couldn't initialize.
[00:08] <bsharitt> You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86Config to use GSynaptics"
[00:08] <bsharitt> I fixed that in the xorg.conf file and was able to disable the annoying behavior
[00:09] <bsharitt> Today the dreaded tap to click is back and GSynaptics still won't work(with the same error), and to make things worse, xorg.conf is still "fixed". Now I'm stuck, any ideas?
[00:37] <PsynoKhi0> heya
[01:06] <guardro> hrm, the quick search in synaptic isn't working.  it's grayed out.  (intrepid)  any ideas of what could be up?
[01:27] <Coder365_2> okay guys
[01:27] <Coder365_2> where is the User Interface Settings utility?
[01:27] <Coder365_2> I can't find it at all
[01:29] <Coder365_2> come on, someone has to know where it is
[01:32] <guardro> settings->settings manager?
[01:33] <Coder365_2> oh
[01:33] <Coder365_2> looking right at it
[01:33] <Coder365_2> :D
[01:33] <Coder365_2> thanks
[01:33] <guardro> np
[01:49] <fourChan> how do i edit the xubuntu menu?
[01:49] <fourChan> the menu editor doesn't really work
[01:49] <fourChan> not for the categories like network, etc.
[01:50] <fourChan> that's the only thing i don't like about xfce
[01:50] <Sydero> I think you have to edit the .desktop files by hand for those
[01:52] <Sydero> /usr/share/applications
[02:30] <MeanderingCode> Does anyone use pulseaudio on 8.04?
[02:31] <MeanderingCode> or can point me to a resource for 8.04 sound problems, like no software mixing...the ubuntu forums aren't holding solutions on this one
[02:34] <MeanderingCode> no?  does anyone in here have sound issues with xubuntu 8.04?
[02:34] <Sydero> not me
[02:35] <MeanderingCode> be happy
[02:35] <MeanderingCode> thanks for responding, though :)
[02:39] <Coder365_2> I'm having problems with xorg. I can't get anything higher than 800x600
[02:39] <Coder365_2> and that's a pain
[02:39] <Coder365_2> any suggestions/ideas? do I need to reconfigure xorg?
[02:42] <Genelyk> ?
[02:42] <Coder365_2> hm?
[02:42] <Sydero> get a better graphics card ;)
[02:42] <Coder365_2> ....
[02:42] <Sydero> or get proper drivers :P
[03:25] <wols> Coder365_2: what videocard?
[03:26] <Coder365_2> ATI Rage Mobility
[03:26] <wols> ouch. use ati or fglrx drivers. fglrx might not work tho
[03:26] <wols> check what drivers you run run now and check your Xorg.0.conf
[03:26] <Coder365_2> it worked fine in ubuntu 7.10
[03:27] <Coder365_2> so I know i can get it working
[04:59] <ffoegboy> i want to dual boot a hp 2133 mini computer with xubuntu, will the install iso help with partinioning and the dual boot setup?
[05:01] <ffoegboy> im new to linux and unsure of these steps
[05:50] <ai3gtmc> how do I mount my windows Devices? I cant see it on places
[11:20] <facker>  i just downloaded mummy tomb of the dragon  movie by torrent. its says 'content blocked. the movie can be viewd by go media player'   and the go media player is not free. any other options i have?
[11:27] <facker>  i just downloaded mummy tomb of the dragon  movie by torrent. its says 'content blocked. the movie can be viewd by go media player'   and the go media player is not free. any other options i have?
[12:40] <wols> !warez
[12:53] <TheSheep> wols: he left
[13:05] <generalsnus> hey guys!
[13:05] <adamw9678> how do I get fiuxbox to work on xubuntu?
[13:05] <adamw9678> Fluxbox sorry
[13:07] <generalsnus> so ive been struggeling with setting up  xubuntu with ldap.. for user authentication and /home folder mounting.. is there a updated tutorial/how-to for doing this?  im dizzy with all the .conf files and such from my last unsucsessfull attempt
[13:23] <nbjayme> hello all. any sound record app for xubuntu 8.04? the default install does not have.
[13:30] <generalsnus> so ive been struggeling with setting up  xubuntu with ldap.. for user authentication and /home folder mounting.. is there a updated tutorial/how-to for doing this?  im dizzy with all the .conf files and such from my last unsucsessfull attempt
[14:40] <mikeblack93> hello??
[14:40] <mikeblack93> i can't speak to anyone
[14:41] <th0r> mikeblack93, ask the question and if someone knows the answer they will respond
[14:43] <mikeblack93> thx
[14:43] <mikeblack93> i have a problem with my mic
[14:44] <mikeblack93> i need a how to or something(i have a Creative Ensoniq soundcard)
[14:45] <th0r> mikeblack93, you might start here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToSetupSoundCards
[14:46] <mikeblack93> thx
[14:49] <mikeblack93> i'll start with this and come back =)
[15:26] <adamw9678> Dose any1 know how to install fluxbox on xubuntu?
[15:27] <TheSheep> adamw9678: you cannot find it in synaptic?
[15:28] <adamw9678> I havent look, I will look now. Thanks
[15:37] <th0r> adamw9678, sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[16:16] <bassboi> hey guys
[16:16] <bassboi> how would i move my /home dir
[16:16] <bassboi> to a diff partition that has stuff already on it
[16:17] <gnomefreak> same way you would move anything else but might i suggest not doing that and instead copy it
[16:17] <adamw9678> th0r: I'v tryed that but it did'nt seen to work?
[16:17] <bassboi> adamw9678, does it install?
[16:17] <gnomefreak> adamw9678: you cant install fluxbox?
[16:18] <bassboi> gnomefreak, ok
[16:18] <adamw9678> I'v been told i can?
[16:18] <Krystanos> hi
[16:18] <bassboi> adamw9678, you must log out, and then change the session to fluxbox
[16:18] <bassboi> and log back in
[16:18] <gnomefreak> adamw9678: do you have universe repo enabled?
[16:18] <adamw9678> Ok I'll try that. Thanks
[16:18] <bassboi> adamw9678, once fluxbox is installed
[16:18] <Krystanos> I'm looking for help, I can't find any onf Ubuntu forum... I can't make VNC or NX work on xubuntu
[16:18] <bassboi> adamw9678, did fluxbox install correctly
[16:19] <th0r> you guys might first ask him what he means by "it didn't seem to work"
[16:19] <bassboi> yz
[16:19] <bassboi> he didn't answer :|
[16:19] <adamw9678> I dont know I will see if I can change the session
[16:19] <bassboi> wait
[16:19] <bassboi> !@
[16:19] <gnomefreak> th0r: he couldnt find it as he couldnt before. he doesnt have universe enalbled if he cant find it ;)
[16:19] <bassboi> in your terminal, did the apt=get install work correctly
[16:19] <gnomefreak> -
[16:19] <Krystanos> I can't start XFCE when I start a VNC server
[16:21] <Krystanos> :'(
[16:21] <gnomefreak> adamw9678: if apt-cache policy fluxbox   says it is installed than it installed if nothing is next to the Installed line than it needs to be installed
[16:23] <Krystanos> nobody can help ?
[16:25] <Krystanos> allriiiiiiiiiiiight... I guess I will give up on ubuntu and xubuntu...
[16:26] <Krystanos> thanks anyway...
[16:28] <wols> Krystanos: you're welcome
[16:28] <wrtpeeps> I do love how you expect that to work though. Nice idea. Well thought out.
[16:28] <adamw9678> I'm in now I just dont know my way around fluxbox yet, Thanks
[16:29] <Krystanos> well I guess not, since I've never hd any answer on any forum, neither people who have the same problem... IRC was my last try after days trying to make things work... :(
[16:30] <Krystanos> so bye, maybe I'll try again ubuntu later... ;)
[16:32] <adamw9678> I dont like fluxbox much. It makes my laptop a bit quicker but I cant even find a web brouser?
[16:36] <wols> right click on desktop and menu is there as usual. if you have a browser installed, it will show up there
[16:36] <wols> e.g. firefox
[16:37] <adamw9678> I cant seem to wine to work back in XFCE. I get an error message saying Failed to open URL "~/.wine/drive_c" The URL "~/.wine/drive_c" is not supported?
[16:38] <wols> winecfg
[16:56] <bassboi> :-D
[16:56] <bassboi> gnomefreak, it worked
[17:23] <gnomefreak> bassboi: good to hear
[17:24] <gnomefreak> sorry was starting lunch
[18:16] <bassboi> np
[18:16] <bassboi> gnomefreak, i just whipped up some myself
[18:31] <xubuntuuser> how can i disable orage's configure dialog at startup?
[18:42] <asbjorn> hi guys... Having some issues getting xdmcp up and running with 8.04 and gdm, googling it leads me to think its a know bug? If so, is there a recommended workaround? Like using kdm or xdm or something else?
[18:43] <cody-somerville> whats the bug number?
[18:44] <asbjorn> 150193?
[18:45] <asbjorn> fits my issue, but I can't be sure..
[18:46] <cody-somerville> ubottu, bug #150193
[20:55] <trpf> Hey .. anyone willing to help out a newbie with getting his Ati videocard to work?
[20:55] <Sydero> get the drivers from the repos ;)
[20:56] <PsynoKhi0> actually, it's very much dependent upon the card
[20:56] <Sydero> yeah :/
[20:56] <PsynoKhi0> and personal taste/needs
[20:56] <Sydero> actually forget repos
[20:56] <trpf> so just enabling it to use the drivers under the "hardware drivers" thing, is indeed not the right solution? .. its ticked and says its working, but the cpu load shoots up even if I move a window or scroll
[20:56] <Sydero> they're usually too old for some things
[20:57] <Sydero> try finding a newer version
[20:58] <PsynoKhi0> I don't trust the proprietary drivers manager
[20:58] <PsynoKhi0> I'd much rather use ATIs own binaries
[20:59] <PsynoKhi0> but as I said... what card and what do you ant to do with it?
[20:59] <trpf> when I installed Xubuntu from Wibu , it offered to enable the propieratary one .. I did, but I don't think its helping .. scrolling in a webbrowser will lag
[21:00] <PsynoKhi0> you're running Xubuntu within windows?
[21:00] <trpf> a dual boot
[21:00] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[21:00] <PsynoKhi0> phew
[21:01] <PsynoKhi0> anyway let's try with the drivers manager first
[21:01] <trpf> System > Hardware Drivers, you mean?
[21:03] <PsynoKhi0> I use different ubuntu version with different locales so I can't remember  exactly the name in each but yeah something like taht
[21:04] <PsynoKhi0> not even logged in xubuntu right now :)
[21:04] <trpf> it shows just one thing, a Device Driver: ATI accelerated grap. driver , enabled and in use
[21:04] <PsynoKhi0> that's the thing
[21:05] <PsynoKhi0> using xubuntu 8.04?
[21:06] <trpf> the newest .. 8.04.1 ?
[21:06] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[21:06] <PsynoKhi0> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide
[21:06] <PsynoKhi0> Method 1 is what to look at
[21:07] <PsynoKhi0> basically: open a terminal, and type:
[21:07] <PsynoKhi0> cd /etc/X11
[21:08] <PsynoKhi0> once there type
[21:08] <PsynoKhi0> sudo cp xorg.conf xorg.bak
[21:08] <trpf> done
[21:09]  * PsynoKhi0 backspace "tell me when done" :P
[21:09] <PsynoKhi0> ok now:
[21:09] <PsynoKhi0> sudo nano xorg.conf
[21:10] <trpf> right
[21:10] <PsynoKhi0> use your arrow keys to navigate to Section "Device"
[21:10] <trpf> yup
[21:10] <PsynoKhi0> there should be so,ething like "Configured video card" or similar
[21:10] <trpf> yep
[21:11] <PsynoKhi0> cool, right under that "Configured videocard" row, add
[21:11] <PsynoKhi0> Driver "fglrx"
[21:12] <trpf> already there
[21:12] <PsynoKhi0> unless it's there?
[21:12] <PsynoKhi0> hehe
[21:12] <PsynoKhi0> great press Ctrl + X
[21:12] <trpf> ok, saved
[21:12] <PsynoKhi0> back in terminal?
[21:12] <trpf> yep
[21:13] <PsynoKhi0> ok now type:
[21:13] <PsynoKhi0> sudo aticonfig --initial -f
[21:13] <trpf> X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
[21:14] <trpf> I have run the Ati's driver .run file .. and then tried this last step , without the -f
[21:14] <trpf> neither worked, hence Im here :)
[21:15] <PsynoKhi0> getting anything from "fglrxinfo"?
[21:16] <trpf> yes:
[21:16] <trpf> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[21:16] <trpf> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[21:16] <trpf> and two more lines of stuff
[21:17] <PsynoKhi0> ah
[21:17] <PsynoKhi0> sudo apt-get remove xserver-xgl
[21:18] <trpf> Package xserver-xgl is not installed, so not removed
[21:18] <trpf> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:20] <PsynoKhi0> what card is it again?
[21:21] <trpf> ati radeon 2600
[21:21] <Genelyk> :O
[21:21] <PsynoKhi0> PCI-E or AGP?
[21:21] <trpf> agp
[21:21] <PsynoKhi0> ah
[21:23] <Genelyk> I have directory in home named  mesa ,  thinking  thats my  brother create
[21:27] <PsynoKhi0> trpf, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Manual_Method_.28installing_Catalyst_8.7.29 could you give those a try while I browse a few forums about your card?
[21:27] <trpf> I will have a look at it
[21:35] <PsynoKhi0> trpf, how far have you gotten?
[21:36] <trpf> sudo gedit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[21:36] <trpf> sudo: gedit: command not found
[21:36] <trpf> there, just got stopped :P
[21:37] <trpf> its one of the steps of Method 2
[21:37] <devoncoke> hi
[21:38] <devoncoke> i recently installed xubuntu on my system and was wondering if there is a way to undo some of the settings, like using a partition as a swap area
[21:39] <PsynoKhi0> trpf, gedit is for ubuntu, xubuntu uses mousepad by default :)
[21:39] <PsynoKhi0> devoncoke, yes you can
[21:39] <TheSheep> devoncoke: sure, although using a partition for swap is better
[21:40] <devoncoke> i preffer having two partitions wor win and one for xubuntu
[21:40] <trpf> ok, so what do I change about that command?
[21:40] <devoncoke> i kinda  set like 60GBs for swap O.o
[21:40] <PsynoKhi0> trpf, when you see gedit somewhere, use mousepad or nano instead
[21:41] <trpf> ok
[21:41] <TheSheep> devoncoke: you can use gparted (find it in synaptic) to disable swap, resize the swap partition, and enable it back
[21:41] <devoncoke> will try thanks in advance
[21:42] <PsynoKhi0> isn't gparted on the livecd?
[21:42] <PsynoKhi0> devoncoke, did you use the desktop or alternate CD  to install?
[21:43] <devoncoke> alternate CD
[21:43] <PsynoKhi0> ooooo
[21:43] <devoncoke> that sounded like a bad oooo
[21:44] <PsynoKhi0> nope :)
[21:44] <PsynoKhi0> the alternate CD ships with a partitioning tool called partman
[21:45] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: gparted is there too
[21:45] <devoncoke> ok will check it out
[21:45] <PsynoKhi0> TheSheep, I was thinking about booting from the alternatce cd
[21:45] <PsynoKhi0> dang
[21:47] <PsynoKhi0> trpf, is it coming along?
[21:47] <trpf> am at last step of method 2 .. but getting errors .. so checking for typos :P
[21:48] <bassboi> hmm
[21:48] <bassboi> this junk is easy
[21:49] <trpf> sudo dpkg -i xorg-driver-fglrx_*.deb fglrx-kernel-source_*.deb fglrx-amdcccle_*.deb
[21:49] <trpf> dpkg: error processing xorg-driver-fglrx_*.deb (--install):
[21:49] <trpf>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[21:49] <trpf> same error for other two
[21:51] <trpf> wait ..
[21:51] <PsynoKhi0> if you type:
[21:51] <PsynoKhi0> ls
[21:51] <PsynoKhi0> do you see and .deb file?
[21:51] <trpf> yeah, gotta be in right dir :D
[21:51] <PsynoKhi0> ;)
[21:51] <bassboi> LOL
[21:51] <trpf> ... been so long since playing in DOS
[21:52] <hvgotcodes> can anyone tell me how to determine how much power is being used by a usb device?
[21:52] <bassboi> no more than 500mA
[21:52] <hvgotcodes> bassboi: i just received my notebook cooler from newegg but it doesn't appear to work
[21:53] <hvgotcodes> I just want to make sure the usb is providing enough power
[21:53] <bassboi> it's usb powered?
[21:53] <trpf> how much does it require?
[21:53] <hvgotcodes> bassboi: yes
[21:53] <hvgotcodes> it requires .45A
[21:53] <PsynoKhi0> the aluminium Zalman one?
[21:53] <hvgotcodes> antec
[21:53] <PsynoKhi0> ah
[21:53] <bassboi> hvgotcodes, USB can handle up to 500mA per port
[21:54] <hvgotcodes> 2.25 watts
[21:54] <hvgotcodes> so newegg shipped me a broken unit eh?
[21:54] <hvgotcodes> the box was open when i received it
[21:54] <hvgotcodes> i f**** pissed
[21:54] <PsynoKhi0> uh
[21:54] <bassboi> did you try other USB ports?
[21:54] <hvgotcodes> yes
[21:54] <bassboi> RMA it i guess, newegg is good for that
[21:54] <hvgotcodes> i just want to do due diligence and see if i can see the device connected
[21:54] <hvgotcodes> RMA?
[21:55] <bassboi> exchange it... in other words
[21:55] <PsynoKhi0> return it for an exchange
[21:55] <bassboi> i never had a problem with newegg
[21:55] <hvgotcodes> do people recommend the zalman?
[21:55] <PsynoKhi0> are you sure yo can't adjust the fan speed somehow?
[21:55] <bassboi> or maybe a power button?
[21:56] <PsynoKhi0> hvgotcodes, the Zalman one is what I'd go for
[21:56] <bassboi> ...maybe it's temp controlled
[21:56] <hvgotcodes> how much power does it require?
[21:56] <hvgotcodes> there is no power button
[21:56] <hvgotcodes> there is a switch for low/hi
[21:56] <hvgotcodes> when i plug it in an led light goes on
[21:56] <bassboi> weird
[21:56] <PsynoKhi0> anywheel on the side?
[21:56] <hvgotcodes> but thats it
[21:57] <hvgotcodes> nope
[21:57] <bassboi> it seems like it's 1/2 workin
[21:57] <hvgotcodes> yes
[21:57] <bassboi> it could require a high temp to kick on
[21:57] <hvgotcodes> in xfce is there anything to tell me how much power is being drawn from a usb port?
[21:57] <hvgotcodes> I dont think it has  a temp monitor
[21:58] <bassboi> is it the one thats shaped like an x?
[21:58] <hvgotcodes> yes
[21:58] <hvgotcodes> the directions say it will turn on once plugged in
[21:58] <TheSheep> hmm.. there is powertop, at least for checking cpu power
[21:58] <PsynoKhi0> but no air coming out?

[21:59] <hvgotcodes> sorry
[21:59] <hvgotcodes> how much power does the zalman draw
[21:59] <hvgotcodes> ?
[21:59] <hvgotcodes> and i can visually see the fans are not spinning
[21:59] <hvgotcodes> so no air coming out ;)
[21:59] <PsynoKhi0> meh
[21:59] <th0r> hvgotcodes, please don't use the enter key for punctuation
[21:59] <PsynoKhi0> I don't know about the zalman
[22:00] <PsynoKhi0> trpf, still there?
[22:00] <trpf> yes, trying still, sec
[22:01] <PsynoKhi0> what's wrong?
[22:02] <trpf> no, its doing its thing with the .deb files
[22:03] <trpf> finished .. it said some already exited
[22:03] <trpf> *existed .. what do I do now? restart?
[22:04] <PsynoKhi0> btw my xubuntu hardy installation hangs after a while as long as have the soundcard module loaded (snd_sbawe), any suggestion what could cause that?
[22:05] <trpf> that's a question not directed to me, right? this is the first time ever for me to muck about in linux :D
[22:05] <PsynoKhi0> trpf, no, check the final steps (after the 64bits part)
[22:05] <PsynoKhi0> trpf, nope hehe
[22:05] <PsynoKhi0> or well, you never know :)
[22:08] <PsynoKhi0> http://pastebin.com/m29de602a lsmod | grep snd
[22:08] <PsynoKhi0> the rows with a star are the ones I don't see in another ditro that works w/o probs on the same comp
[22:10] <trpf>  sudo aticonfig --initial -f
[22:10] <trpf> X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
[22:10] <trpf>   Major opcode of failed request:  144 (ATIFGLEXTENSION)
[22:10] <hvgotcodes> PsynoKhi0: which one did you recomment?
[22:11] <bassboi> zalman eh?
[22:12] <hvgotcodes> yeah but they make a bunch of models
[22:13] <PsynoKhi0> hvgotcodes, a bog flat one in aluminium with plenty of holes all over
[22:13] <PsynoKhi0> big*
[22:13] <hvgotcodes> yeah i want one that rests on the lap
[22:13] <PsynoKhi0> ah
[22:14] <PsynoKhi0> trpf, I don't know anymore
[22:14] <trpf> yeh .. the manual: " If it does not error you should be fine." .. doesn't know either :P
[22:15] <trpf> at least it got rid of the MESA mention in the fglrxinfo :D
[22:15] <PsynoKhi0> what exactly did you do to try and get your video card working, starting from the beginning?
[22:16] <trpf> first thing was that I accepted Xubuntu's offer to enable the proprietary drivers .. which I did, but did not have any effect
[22:16] <PsynoKhi0> I start fearing you rtied something "the windows way" and now big oopsie...
[22:17] <trpf> then I went on a search for others that had this problem .. and did eventually come across the manual link you gave me too
[22:17] <trpf> I tried it, but got confused with the gedit missing :\
[22:17] <trpf> (heck what I know gedit is) .. now I know :P
[22:18] <trpf> so have tried both 1 & 2 before, but got stuck
[22:18] <PsynoKhi0> how much memory does your computer have?
[22:18] <trpf> 512
[22:19] <PsynoKhi0> ok, here's something that has helped AGP users:
[22:19] <PsynoKhi0> go to /boot/grub
[22:20] <trpf> alright
[22:20] <PsynoKhi0> are you in a terminal?
[22:20] <trpf> yes
[22:20] <bassboi> hey i hear that nvidia cards don't perform all that well on linux
[22:20] <bassboi> true?
[22:20] <PsynoKhi0> sudo cp menu.lst menu.old
[22:21] <trpf> done
[22:21] <PsynoKhi0> bassboi, apparently the 8xxx and 9xxx series have abyssmal 2d  performance for the time being
[22:21] <trpf> menu.old didn't exist yet, now it does
[22:21] <PsynoKhi0> trpf, ok then:
[22:21] <bassboi> damn
[22:21] <PsynoKhi0> sudo nano menu.lst
[22:21] <bassboi> i wanted a 8600gt
[22:22] <trpf> ok
[22:22] <PsynoKhi0> (by the way, the sudo cp blabla.bla blabla.old is to make back ups in case things go south :) )
[22:22] <PsynoKhi0> trpf, find defoptions
[22:23] <PsynoKhi0> it should be something like #defoptions=silent splash
[22:24] <hvgotcodes> bassboi: i have the mobile version of that card and it works fine
[22:24] <trpf> found!
[22:24] <hvgotcodes> is there an lsusb type command?
[22:24] <trpf> uncomment?
[22:25] <PsynoKhi0> no no
[22:25] <PsynoKhi0> trpf, addthis to that line: mem=512MB
[22:26] <trpf> with a # preceding?
[22:26] <PsynoKhi0> yes
[22:27] <trpf> # defoptions=quiet splash
[22:27] <trpf> # mem=512MB
[22:27] <trpf> like that?
[22:27] <PsynoKhi0> no...
[22:27] <PsynoKhi0> on same line
[22:27] <trpf> ups
[22:27] <trpf> ok
[22:27] <PsynoKhi0> Ctrl + X and save
[22:28] <trpf> ok
[22:28] <PsynoKhi0> sudo update-grub
[22:28] <trpf> done
[22:29] <PsynoKhi0> ok now... reboot you comp... when you get to the login screen, hit: Ctrl + Alt + F2... enter your user name and pass, once done, type: aticonfig --initial -f
[22:29] <PsynoKhi0> then
[22:30] <PsynoKhi0> ctrl + alt + backsapce
[22:30] <PsynoKhi0> backspace*
[22:30] <PsynoKhi0> I hope he/she wrote it down >.<
[22:32] <PsynoKhi0> brb
[22:37] <trpf> hmm .. booting Xubuntu it said .. error 16: .. something with file system being wrong
[22:37] <trpf> went into recov. , from there resumed normal boot .. and now here again :P
[22:37] <PsynoKhi0> ah
[22:38] <trpf> tried aticonfig --initial -f
[22:38] <trpf> but
[22:38] <trpf> aticonfig --initial -f
[22:38] <trpf> Uninitialised file found, configuring.
[22:38] <trpf> Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:38] <trpf> Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-0
[22:38] <trpf> aticonfig: Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad file descriptor.
[22:39] <PsynoKhi0> sudo aticonfig --initial -f
[22:39] <PsynoKhi0> my bad
[22:39] <PsynoKhi0> you need superuser privileges, hence sudo
[22:40] <trpf> done :)
[22:40] <trpf> now the restart combo?
[22:41] <PsynoKhi0> no need to restart I think, log out and hit ctrl+alt+backspace (that might be overkill but better safe than sorry)
[22:43] <trpf> nothing changed
[22:43] <trpf> fglrxinfo still shows Mesa too
[22:47] <trpf> psy? interesting detail in the .conf
[22:48] <PsynoKhi0> Driver  "mesa"?
[22:48] <trpf> Section "Device"
[22:48] <trpf>         Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
[22:48] <trpf>         Driver      "fglrx"
[22:48] <trpf>         BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
[22:48] <trpf> EndSection
[22:48] <trpf> PCI .. ?
[22:50] <PsynoKhi0> oh nvm than
[22:53] <trpf> hmm, this one post on ubuntu forum says that is the way for it to identify it as a AGP .. and should work that way
[22:53] <PsynoKhi0> that's what I thought
[22:54] <trpf> moreover, he says to enable the restricted driver and be done with it ... lol .. they are enabled .. but nothing changed
[22:55] <trpf> any use in trying method 2 again?
[22:56] <trpf> or does the added grub line not do much?
[22:58] <PsynoKhi0> is the restricted driver still showing as enabled?
[22:59] <trpf> yes
[22:59] <trpf> a ticked box
[22:59] <trpf> with "in use"
[23:00] <PsynoKhi0> shouldn't be
[23:00] <trpf> I read so too
[23:00] <PsynoKhi0> either you have the restricted driver from within xubuntu or you have the one you downloaded from ATI's website, not both:::
[23:01] <PsynoKhi0> sudo dkms remove -m fglrx -v 8.493.1 --all
[23:01] <PsynoKhi0> but
[23:01] <PsynoKhi0> after the -v
[23:01] <PsynoKhi0> you should have the string that corresponds to the deb file you installed from Method 2
[23:02] <trpf> ok, the whole string? .. "ati-driver-installer-8-7-x86.x86_64.run" ?
[23:02] <PsynoKhi0> no
[23:03] <PsynoKhi0> I'll give you the link again
[23:03] <PsynoKhi0> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Manual_Method_.28installing_Catalyst_8.7.29
[23:04] <trpf> so I need the version number I installed
[23:04] <PsynoKhi0> ok if you followed that guide, you should have isntalled a .deb file
[23:04] <PsynoKhi0> yes
[23:04] <trpf> yes i have
[23:04] <trpf> and when I did, it too mentioned some stuff was already present
[23:06] <PsynoKhi0> so you have 2 conflicting fglrx on your comp
[23:06] <PsynoKhi0> anyway, better removing the latest one to start with
[23:07] <trpf> deleted the latest module .. v8.512
[23:09] <PsynoKhi0> ok, log out gain, hit ctrl alt F2, login/pass, sudo aticonf --initial -f
[23:09] <PsynoKhi0> you know the drill :)
[23:09] <trpf> ok
[23:11] <steven_> i got a good one for ya problem solvers
[23:11] <steven_> "mount point /cdrom is a symbolic link to nowhere"
[23:11] <PsynoKhi0> /mnt/cdrom?
[23:11] <steven_> yep
[23:11] <steven_> it foes exist
[23:12] <cody-somerville> steven_, whats your question exactly? lol
[23:12] <steven_> /dev/scd0 -> /media/cd
[23:12] <steven_> well
[23:12] <steven_> i'm trying to put xubuntu on a usb stick
[23:12] <steven_> i get to this command
[23:12] <steven_> "mount -o loop -tiso9660 xubuntu*.iso /cdrom"
[23:13] <steven_> and i receive the response "mount: mount point /cdrom is a symbolic link to nowhere"
[23:13] <steven_> and ideas?
[23:14] <steven_> i am LOSTY FROSTY!
[23:14] <steven_> i have no idea what to do
[23:15] <steven_> any ideas? i searched and found some stuff for knoppix but didn't help
[23:17] <steven_> anyone ever seen that error in xub?
[23:18] <trpf> when I boot, Xubuntu halts and says there's a problem with the file system .. through recov & resume normal , it works though :P but something is broke there too , heh .... anyways, I did the ctrl-alt-f2 + aticonfig thing .. that is done
[23:18] <gaurdro> steven_ try mounting it to cdrom0  cdrom is a autolink used by the automounter
[23:19] <steven_> how do i do that?
[23:20] <gaurdro> steven_ is this not in a xubuntu environment?
[23:20] <PsynoKhi0> trpf: do you have the desktop CD?
[23:20] <steven_> yes not with me
[23:20] <steven_> i have the .iso
[23:20] <steven_> i am within xubuntu
[23:20] <trpf> Psy: I installed it through Wibu, with an .iso
[23:20] <steven_> trying to make a persistent instll of xub 8.04.1 on a USB stick
[23:21] <steven_> and i am LOST
[23:21] <steven_> tried this
[23:21] <steven_> : sudo mkdir /mnt/cdrom0
[23:21] <steven_> went okay
[23:21] <steven_> but i don't have an internal cd drive
[23:21] <steven_> i have an external at home
[23:21] <gaurdro> okay,  to mount the iso change /media/cdrom to /media/cdrom0
[23:21] <PsynoKhi0> trpf: if xubuntu complains after your file system you should worry
[23:21] <steven_> then i get this
[23:21] <steven_> mount /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom0
[23:21] <steven_> mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist
[23:21] <PsynoKhi0> complains about*
[23:22] <trpf> I figured as much, but booting XP works fine
[23:22] <trpf> I checked
[23:22] <gaurdro> steven_ that's not going to mount an iso and if you don't have a cdrom drive it's going to error because there's no cd drive to mount...
[23:22] <PsynoKhi0> err is this dual boot or not?
[23:22] <steven_> ahhh
[23:23] <steven_> so it should work fine once i attach my external cd rom drive?
[23:23] <gaurdro> mount -o loop -t iso9660 xub.iso  /mnt/cdrom0
[23:23] <trpf> yes, dual boot, but no separate partitions .. do you know the Wibu installer?
[23:23] <gaurdro> if you're mounting a .iso you don't need a physical cdrom drive
[23:23] <PsynoKhi0> trpf: that's no dual boot to me heh
[23:24] <trpf> a 1+ boot then :P
[23:24] <steven_> that ma have worked!
[23:24] <steven_> no errors
[23:24] <steven_> let me try it
[23:24] <PsynoKhi0> but whatever, I'd do a thorough file system check
[23:25] <steven_> let's see
[23:25] <steven_> if so thanks guys
[23:25] <gaurdro> no problem
[23:26] <PsynoKhi0> I think the person who came up with Wubi should be shot
[23:26] <gaurdro> ls /mnt/cdrom0   if it comes up with files your in business
[23:27] <PsynoKhi0> trpf: I'd do a proper dualboot install..
[23:27] <steven_> k
[23:28] <steven_> it seems to be working
[23:38] <steven_> YAY it worked!
[23:40] <steven_> is there a way to restrict my cpu use?
[23:40] <steven_> will it damage my cpu running a 100% a lot?
[23:40] <steven_> i do acpi -t to make sure it's under 60 degrees C
[23:41] <steven_> is that okay though?
[23:42] <akaaka>  i know google is my friend, but i wonder if anyone have a really good tutorial to recommend me about formating and building bootable usb and hcsd stick
[23:43] <steven_> akaaka?
[23:44] <steven_> you making a bootable usb stick?
[23:44] <steven_> xubuntu 8.04?
[23:44] <akaaka> hcsd and usb.. i guess is the same method for both
[23:44] <akaaka> yeah
[23:44] <steven_> i am doing the exact thing right now
[23:44] <steven_> hold on
[23:44] <steven_> how big is usb stick
[23:44] <steven_> i can tell you how to make bootable usb stick
[23:45] <steven_> you familiar with command line?
[23:45] <akaaka> yeah
[23:45] <akaaka> its a 8gb
[23:45] <akaaka> and the hcsd its 4gb.
[23:46] <akaaka> but i want to know if its the same method
[23:46] <akaaka> to make usb and hcsd bootable
[23:46] <akaaka> i guess its the same thing
[23:46] <steven_> hcsd is a high capac secure dig?
[23:46] <steven_> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/05/21/usb-xubuntu-804-persistent-install-from-linux/
[23:46] <steven_> worked perfectly for me
[23:46] <steven_> 2 times
[23:46] <akaaka> thx man
[23:47] <steven_> follow it to the t
[23:47] <steven_> i am using a 4 gb
[23:47] <steven_> and it's persistent
[23:47] <steven_> so it saves and you can boot into it again
[23:47] <steven_> you wanted xub 8.04.1?
[23:47] <steven_> that's exactly how to do it
[23:48] <akaaka> thx
[23:48] <akaaka> i will fallow the instructions
[23:48] <steven_> yep it works
[23:48] <steven_> glad to help
[23:49] <akaaka> thx i let you know
[23:49] <akaaka> if i stuck
[23:50] <akaaka> lol
[23:50] <akaaka> are you going to be here?


[17:35] <JamesB192> I have an issue w/ Upstart 0.3.8 on Gentoo:  when shutting down Upstart complains on shutting down all the init scripts w/o a stop section.
[17:35] <JamesB192> Should I file  a bug w/ Gentoo and/or Upstart?


[00:19] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/getting-started-cli/
 LXD is Fun!
 *shot by Simon*
[05:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5ce4f918aab3: Capitilize starts of keyboard shortcuts] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5ce4f918aab3
[06:56] <guiverc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/screenfetch/+bug/1798364 has supposedly been fixed upstream so needs to be re-packaged .. someone will have to walk me through doing it  (I doubt they'll be something easier!; the issue also won't impact any other *buntu; can't be now though)
[10:10] <kc2bez> guiverc: the good news is that debian sid has the 3.9 release which should merge into focal at some point automatically. https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=screenfetch
[10:11] <kc2bez> The bad news is that the commit that fixes some of the issue you are seeing came after the release I think.
[10:12] <guiverc> :)   then we (or I) need do nothing :)    I did look at debian-testing when I got the fix email; but it wasn't reflected (but I can't recall.. tomorrow I can boot & look)
[10:12] <guiverc> thanks kc2bez
[10:21] <kc2bez> I don't see any patches added in debian so it probably will still have the same result. To test it we could build it from git master and try it out. I may be able to try this weekend if you don't get to it first.
[10:25] <guiverc> I just turned on my debian box, I'll have a look at whats there.
[10:37] <guiverc> :(  debian's package detects this (my 20.04 box) as LXDE, but I'll have to look more, my debian (what I tested) has is 3.8.0+git20190913-2 & not 3.9.0-1  OUCH;  I hadn't realized I was supposed to respond upstream...
[10:55] <guiverc> my debian box has download 930 updated packages... one is the 3.9.0-1 so I'll see it soon enough (if I haven't fallen asleep..)
[11:16] <kc2bez> guiverc: Here are my results from git https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MW36KvyntM/
[11:19] <guiverc> :) on your results !!!   Thanks Dan...  I accidently/stupidly pulled the plug on my debian box during it's full-upgrade; so haven't got far (just completed fsck & about to reboot it)  so thanks..   I'll use your results to respond upstream (whilst I remember, so thanks !!)
[11:19] <kc2bez> Happy to help, good luck with your Debian box. :)
[11:25] <guiverc> :)  I was toying with moving debian to another box; so that box could be free for 19.10 qa-installs...   full-upgrade is back running; but if it fails it'll be ready for 20.04 QA
[11:54] <guiverc> my (eventual) run of 3.9.0-1 (debian-testing) on 20.04 reports LXDE
[12:10] <kc2bez> There have been 15 commits since the release and the ones needeed are in there. https://github.com/KittyKatt/screenFetch/compare/v3.9.0...master
 redshift-qt ppa https://launchpad.net/~hmollercl/+archive/ubuntu/redshift-qt @The_LoudSpeaker
[17:13] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- New: accepted lubuntu-update-notifier [source] (focal-proposed) [0.1]
 @HMollerCl ^
[17:24] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- New binary: lubuntu-update-notifier [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [0.1] (no packageset)
[17:36] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- New: accepted lubuntu-update-notifier [amd64] (focal-proposed) [0.1]
 Archive open
 New Qt 5.12.5 only half landed, so much breakage expected
[17:52] <wxl> omg lubuntu-packaging was not subscribed to lxqt-panel
[17:52]  * wxl strangles something
 ow ouchie I'm being strangled
 @tsimonq2 [@HMollerCl ^], woho!
 Good news Hans!
 @HMollerCl [woho!], 👍👍


[12:58] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>implement a basic full tree CVS update() (patch-39)
[01:11] (sabdfl/#launchpad) anybody seen weird failures with SQLobject where code works perfectly in one setting and fails in another?
[01:22] <carlos> not here, or I didn't detected it yet
[01:23] <cprov> sabdfl: can you be more specific ? I've got wierd things using SQLO in LP, since today my writes via LP aren't commited in DB
[01:24] (sabdfl/#launchpad) is there any way to see a listing of all the SQL commands that SQLos is generating?
[01:25] <carlos> sabdfl: What I do is looking at postgresql log
[01:25] <carlos> is not a perfect way to do it, but it helps
[01:35] (sabdfl/#launchpad) carlos: is there a way to make postgres show all the SQL, not just errors?
[01:35] <carlos> sabdfl: yes
[01:35] (sabdfl/#launchpad) how?
[01:35] <carlos> edit /etc/postgresql/postgresql.conf
[01:35] <carlos> and set log_statement = true
[01:36] <carlos> that will dump all queries to the database
[01:36] <carlos> remember to reload it
[01:41] <salgado> it's good to use a 'log_min_duration_statement = 0'. this way you got the execution time of each statement, too
[02:50] (SteveA/#launchpad) hi carlos
[02:50] <carlos> SteveA: hi
[02:51] (SteveA/#launchpad) do you know the place that the conference is in at all?
[02:51] <carlos> I think it will be in the hotel finally
[02:51] <carlos> but I have never been there before
[02:52] <carlos> if that's what you are asking
[02:52] (SteveA/#launchpad) do you know the surrounding area at all?
[02:52] (SteveA/#launchpad) my girlfriend is visiting right at the end of the conference, but she is trying to find out about opportunities to do horse riding near to there.
[02:52] (SteveA/#launchpad) she is crazy about horses
[02:53] <carlos> I could ask, just a second...
[02:54] <carlos> SteveA: don't know, but it's really close to Barcelona so it should be a place to do it
[02:55] (SteveA/#launchpad) ok, we'll have a look on the web and see what there is
[02:55] (SteveA/#launchpad) thanks
[02:56] <carlos> ok, found a place
[02:56] <carlos> ESCUELA   D'EQUITACIO ELS TRES TOMBS   VEINAT DE MATA, 66   *08307   MATARO   93 757 63 29
[02:56] <carlos> not sure if there is a website
[02:57] <carlos> SteveA: the phone: +34  93 757 63 29
[02:57] <carlos> if they cannot attend you in english, just tell me what do you want to ask and I could call for you
[02:57] (SteveA/#launchpad) that's right in mataro
[02:57] (SteveA/#launchpad) thanks
[02:57] <carlos> SteveA: right
[02:58] (SteveA/#launchpad) ok, aiste will try to call them later, and if communication isn't working, we'll ask for your help
[02:58] (SteveA/#launchpad) thank you carlos
[02:58] <carlos> SteveA: no problem
[03:01] <carlos> SteveA: http://www.centroecuestrellavaneres.com/ <- That's another place, it's near Matar The phone: +34937928802
[03:06] (SteveA/#launchpad) thanks
[06:10] <BradB> elmo: has gnome everyone hung on your powerbook?
[06:10] <BradB> s/everyone/ever/
[06:47] <BradB> ok, getting fairly sick of gnome hanging on me
[06:48] <Kinnison> Does it completely hang; or just lock X?
[06:48] <BradB> that's three times in the past two days...this past time all i was doing was scrolling through the INSTALL file of perl 5.8.5.
[06:48] <Kinnison> I.E. can you ctrl+alt+F1 ?
[06:48] <BradB> Kinnison: i'm not sure. i tried various key combos to kill X and nothing happened.
[06:48] <BradB> ok, see i didn't know about that one.
[06:48] <BradB> i was doing ctrl + alt + delete (i.e. backspace on a pb)
[06:49] <Kinnison> ctrl+alt+f1 should drop you to a text console
[06:49] <BradB> but whether it's "just" hanging X, or hanging everything, this is getting annoying.
[06:53] <BradB> er, yeah, i do recall that one actually (just switching to console rather than trying to kill X), just didn't think to do it. oh well, i'll try the next time maybe.
[06:54] <Kinnison> If it happens; check if you've started something which has grabbed mouse/keyboard input and got lost
[06:54] <Kinnison> rhythmbox is a good one for that
[06:57] <BradB> Kinnison: has gnome hung on you too?
[06:57] <Kinnison> BradB: It hung up for my dad. The last time it did it was rhythmbox
[06:57] <BradB> eeek, that's embarrassing to hear things about linux desktops hanging. :/
[06:58] <Kinnison> It's X's fantastic tendancy to let apps exclusively grab the mouse/kb and not give them back
[06:58] <Kinnison> yay
[06:58] <kiko> It happens using ion, too.
[06:58] <kiko> firefox is the mail culprit.
[06:59] <BradB> main, you mean?
[06:59] <BradB> that seems to have been the common factor with all the times it hung for me.
[06:59] <kiko> main. yes.
[06:59] <BradB> i'm not running anything fancy at the moment, normally just a terminal, xchat and firefox.
[07:00] <kiko> it's probably not hung -- just focus is in the wrong place.
[07:00] <BradB> kiko: when i can't move my mouse or anything? i'd say it's hung. :)
[07:00] <kiko> wow
[07:00] <kiko> it can't be gnome's fault
[07:00] <kiko> and yet ctrl-alt-bs still kills it?
[07:01] <BradB> like, literally, a few mins ago, i was scrolling down the INSTALL file of perl 5.8.5 and whoop, it stopped scrolling. yay, gnome hung.
[07:01] <kiko> it's not gnome.
[07:01] <BradB> kiko: no, it doesn't.
[07:01] <kiko> it's X.
[07:01] <kiko> oh
[07:01] <kiko> and the network still works?
[07:01] <BradB> as i mentioned ctrl-alt-delete ain't killing it.
[07:01] <BradB> i dunno
[07:01] <kiko> can you try pinging it from another box?
[07:01] <kiko> more likely than not, kernel bug.
[07:01] <BradB> i saw nothing in kernel.log.
[07:01] <kiko> doesn't matter
[07:02] <BradB> i guess the kernel isn't always smart enough to log why it hangs :)
[07:02] <kiko> the hang could simply freeze the kernel in its tracks, no disk access would be relevant
[07:02] <BradB> bradb@oxygen:~ $ uname -a
[07:02] <BradB> Linux oxygen <IP_ADDRESS>-3-powerpc #1 Thu Nov 18 13:59:38 UTC 2004 ppc GNU/Linux
[07:02] <BradB> bradb@oxygen:~ $
[07:02] <kiko> I dunno..
[07:02] <kiko> but it sounds like a kernel hang.
[07:03] <BradB> kiko: so you're saying that you've had this sort of thing happen too?
[07:03] <kiko> I'm saying that a mouse freeze is 99% of the time a hardware issue, and 1% a software issue. Since your hardware seems to be unquestionable at this point..
[07:03] <Kinnison> If you can ssh in from another machine it's more likely an X issue somewhere. Something to do with mouse or keyboard capture
[07:04] <kiko> of these 1%, I'd say 90% of them were kernel bugs and 10% were X bugs.
[07:04] <kiko> 0% would be gnome bugs. :)
[07:04] <BradB> kiko: i didn't say it was a mouse freeze though. as i say, i had my finger on the page down button scrolling in a terminal, and whoop, dead.
[07:04] <Kinnison> That button would do a mouse capture certainly
[07:05] <Kinnison> you couldn't move the mouse pointer either?
[07:05] <kiko> but the mouse froze, right?
[07:05] <BradB> yes
 kiko: when i can't move my mouse or anything? i'd say it's hung. :)]
[07:05] <kiko> following the 99-90-10 rationale.. :)
[07:05] <BradB> what i meant though was that it doesn't freeze *as* i was moving my mouse.
[07:06] <kiko> sounds like a kernel issue to me. could be just a misbehaved driver, could be kernel preemption bugs on your hardware, could be something more obscure.
[07:06] <BradB> kiko: so has gnome hung for you too in ubuntu?
[07:06] <kiko> being honest, "gnome hung" is too ill-defined, but I'd say no.
[07:07] <BradB> kiko: well, have you had it happen that you were working and then all of a sudden could no longer move your mouse or enter any kb input and had to hard reboot your machine?
[07:08] <kiko> never. but I'm on i86. and mind you, don't say "gnome hung" because "gnome" doesn't actually exist as a single piece of software that *could* hang :)
[07:09] <Kinnison> (x86 only of course)
[07:09] <BradB> what kernel are you guys running?
[07:10] <kiko> 2.6.9
[07:10] <Kinnison> <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686
[07:10] <Kinnison> and on the laptop 2.6.7 (debian)
[07:18] <kiko> BradB, first, find out if you can ping the hung machine
[07:19] <kiko> if you can't, the upgrade is likely to make things worse, not better.
[07:19] <BradB> ok
[07:21] <kiko> I'd say sshing in is a better test
[07:21] <kiko> then you can check how X is doing
[07:21] <kiko> and if you can't ssh, well, it's proof it's a kernel thing too.
[07:23] <BradB> that would bring little comfort to having just replaced OS X with Linux :)
[07:27] <kiko> it can happen on non-standard architectures.
[07:27] <kiko> it's rare though.
[10:37] <kiko> BradB, any other hangs so far?
[10:37] <BradB> not yet!
[10:38] <BradB> it'll probably happen before the end of tomorrow though
[10:38] <kiko> remember to ssh in
[10:38] <kiko> so
[10:38] <kiko> what should I take you as a pre-xmas gift?
[10:38] <kiko> you get to choose, isn't that rad
[10:40] <BradB> heh
[10:40] <BradB> a wireless nic that works with pbg4 + linux! :)
[10:41] <Kinnison> Don't we have someone working on a broadcom driver now?
[10:45] <kiko> BradB, an orinoco card?
[10:46] <BradB> i'm not sure what the best nic is for my hardware/software.
[10:56] <BradB> hm, nobody in #ubuntu seems to know either. i might have to get the specifics from elmo.
[10:58] <kiko> he uses orinoco cards, fwiw
[11:00] <BradB> ah. i'm also really curious to know if he's been experiencing the same hanging problems that i've had. i'm still slightly concerned about this OS switch, if this is something i'm going to have to rely on a kernel developer to fix.
[11:02] <kiko> yeah


[01:57] <cyphermox> Fudge: well, server images don't actually use the debconf_ui from ubiquity, they work using debian-installer. It's all shell script, but I'm not quite sure how it would get to drive a speech synthesizer
[10:02] <cjwatson> cyphermox: there is some speakup support in it, I believe it works in Debian, may just be a matter of making sure the right bits are hooked into our d-i initrd
[13:01] <cyphermox> cjwatson: ah. I'll dig in some more, thanks.
[23:26] <tron103> I'm using pxelinux to push ubuntu netinstaller. Is it possible to create a new initrd/vmlinuz with the latest kernel?
[23:41]  * tron103 slaps ubuntulog around a bit with a large fishbot


[01:50] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: A Spotters Guide to New Features in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=171783 (by Joey Sneddon)
[03:54] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Cool New Skype Feature Available on Linux, Not in Dedicated Windows 10 Client @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/coolest-new-skype-feature-available-on-linux-not-in-dedicated-windows-10-client-529798.shtml (by Bogdan Popa, Microsoft News Editor)
[04:28] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Linux Lite 5.0 RC1 Is Now Available for Download with Massive Improvements @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/linux-lite-5-0-rc1-is-now-available-for-download-with-massive-improvements-529801.shtml (by Bogdan Popa, Microsoft News Editor)
[14:36] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: It’s Here: Ubuntu 20.04 is Now Available to Download! @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=172272 (by Joey Sneddon)
[14:44] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Lubuntu Blog: Lubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa) Released! @ https://lubuntu.me/focal-released/
[15:58] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: 10 Things To Do After Installing Ubuntu 20.04 LTS – And 4 You Shouldn’t! @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=172265 (by Joey Sneddon)
[17:28] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Officially Released @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-20-04-lts-officially-released-529803.shtml (by Bogdan Popa, Microsoft News Editor)
[18:02] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS arrives @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-20-04-lts-arrives-2
[18:32] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS arrives @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-20-04-lts-arrives
[18:38] <guiverc> request 2nd on http://fridge.ubuntu.com/?p=8896&preview=true  (Ubuntu 20.04 LTS fridge announcement)
[19:04] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Kubuntu General News: Kubuntu 20.04 LTS has been released, featuring Plasma 5.18 LTS @ https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-20-04-lts-has-been-released/
[21:42] <guiverc> Still waiting for 2nd editor/reviewer on Ubuntu 20.04 released (announcement)
[21:47] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Portugal:: Ep 87 – Festa Confinada @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/e87/
[22:04] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Podcast Ubuntu Portugal: Ep 87 – Festa Confinada @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/e87/
[22:39] <kryten> guiverc: ...Have you got a particular preference which of the two 20.04 release post drafts it's gonna be and I should review? >_>
[22:40] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=8896&action=edit  (I started again a few times)
[22:40] <guiverc> & thanks kryten
[22:42] <kryten> Yeah, figured that's gonna be it, since it's more proper.  I still see a lot whitespace there though and the first URL isn't a link yet.
[22:43] <guiverc> I had trouble with whitespace & making it consistent (which it isn't really; it's where I ~gave up)
[22:45] <kryten> Should I try and take a look at the code regarding that?
[22:45] <guiverc> :(  missed the first url completely, sorry
[22:46] <guiverc> Yes please do
[22:46] <kryten> Ok, then I'll take over the editing.
[22:46] <guiverc> I'm out of editing
[22:48] <Bashing-om> guiverc: In that editing department - take a look at Gdoc, when you can. See if you agree with how I am working it.
[22:50] <guiverc> Personally see "widely covered" and "flavors" as two lists, and prefer flavors listed first
[22:51] <guiverc> s/see/I see
[22:52] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Sounds reasonable to me - will make it so, in next additions :D
[22:56] <kryten> guiverc: Got it fixed.  You can go publish it now.. >_>
[22:57] <guiverc> Thank you heaps kryten, very much appreciated.
[22:58] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/04/23/ubuntu-20-04-lts-focal-fossa-released/
[23:02] <guiverc> kryten, did you remove
 & place

 on same lines only, or other?
[23:04] <kryten> I merely dropped the initial '
', then went to preview and when I switched back, it has magically dropped all the '
's and restored the readability.. >_<
[23:05] <kryten> From the code editor that is, which is the mode I prefer..
[23:06] <guiverc> Thank you.   Hopefully I'll recall/find my notes next, but those posts aren't often enough for me to recall everything I fear
[23:10]  * guiverc has noted it (alas probably not the first time), but fingers crossed..
[23:19] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa) released @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/04/23/ubuntu-20-04-lts-focal-fossa-released/ (by guiverc)
[23:30] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa) released @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/04/23/ubuntu-20-04-lts-focal-fossa-released/


[00:00] <akgraner> ok  - I'm just installing all the Qt 4 stuff in the software center and we can see if that works :-)
[00:00] <Silverlion> again ... i am not taking ANY responsibilities for your system. just to make this clear :D
[00:03] <Silverlion> wb gonyere
[00:04] <gonyere> thnx
[00:06] <akgraner> Silverlion, hehe - I know how to reinstall machine if something happens.  I've had to do it more than once over the last few years as I venture ourside my comfort zone
[00:07] <Silverlion> *gg* i just wanted to have that on the logs - just in case i get a package from overseas :P
[00:07] <bkerensa> hello
[00:07] <akgraner> bkerensa, so
[00:07] <gonyere> are ther packages for sigil for ubuntu?
[00:08] <akgraner> Silverlion, said I needed to install this - http://code.google.com/p/sigil/downloads/detail?name=Sigil-0.5.3-Code.zip&can=2&q=
[00:08] <Silverlion> gonyere: nope
[00:08] <gonyere> or do you have to build?
[00:08] <Silverlion> gonyere: yes
[00:08] <Silverlion> compile from source :(
[00:08] <akgraner> and then do this - http://code.google.com/p/sigil/wiki/RunningFromSource
[00:08] <akgraner> bkerensa, ^^
[00:08] <Silverlion> but once you have the software this is a blast
[00:09] <akgraner> but I read on the page you shouldn't have to compile it - so I installed everything in the software center that had to do with Qt 4
[00:09] <bkerensa> akgraner: apt-get build-dep qt4-qmake
[00:09] <bkerensa> to get dependencies
[00:09] <akgraner> bkerensa, and so I am wondering what I need to do with that zip file now?
[00:09] <bkerensa> also you need git so
[00:09] <bkerensa> apt-get install git-core
[00:09] <akgraner> I think I have git installed  - no it's on my laptop
[00:09] <akgraner> ok one sec
[00:10] <akgraner> bkerensa, thank you!
[00:10] <bkerensa> so then you will want to
[00:10] <bkerensa> git clone git://gitorious.org/qt/qt.git
[00:10] <bkerensa> which is the source tree for the latest qt
[00:10] <bkerensa> then
[00:10] <bkerensa> cd into the directory
[00:10] <akgraner> bkerensa, do I need to uninstall the stuff from the software center?
[00:10] <bkerensa> so   "cd qt"
[00:10] <bkerensa> akgraner: uhh is it qt?
[00:11] <akgraner> bkerensa, let me catch up
[00:11] <bkerensa> did you install qt from usc?
[00:11] <bkerensa> kk
[00:11] <akgraner> bkerensa, got to the software center and search Qt 4 - you'll see
[00:13] <bkerensa> yeah so those are not qt4 they are qt4 packages for developing stuff
[00:13] <bkerensa> but I believe you need the qt4 libraries
[00:13] <akgraner> ok - :-)
[00:13] <bkerensa> the actually source package
[00:13] <bkerensa> you can install this from USC btw
[00:13] <bkerensa> it might save you trouble
[00:13] <bkerensa> but terminal is easy too
[00:13] <bkerensa> :D
[00:13] <akgraner> following your instructions now
[00:13] <akgraner> I like the terminal
[00:13] <bkerensa> kk
[00:13] <akgraner> should I uninstall what I did earlier?
[00:14] <bkerensa> you can do it later
[00:14] <akgraner> ok
[00:14] <bkerensa> so once you got the source tree cloned with git and are in the directory let me know
[00:14] <bkerensa> :)
[00:15] <akgraner> bkerensa, will do
[00:16] <Silverlion> akgraner: i have a little present for you ;)
[00:17] <bkerensa> akgraner: also before we compile please be sure to "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools" so you have everything needed to compile
[00:17] <akgraner> akgraner@thor:~$ git clone git://gitorious/qt/qt.git
[00:17] <akgraner> Cloning into 'qt'...
[00:17] <akgraner> fatal: unable to connect to gitorious:
[00:17] <akgraner> gitorious: Name or service not known
[00:18] <bkerensa> hmms
[00:18] <bkerensa> one sec
[00:19] <bkerensa> akgraner: gitorious.org
[00:19] <bkerensa> :)
[00:19] <bkerensa> <bkerensa> git clone git://gitorious.org/qt/qt.git
[00:21] <Silverlion> guess akgraner now is not open for presents :D
[00:22] <akgraner> once sec
[00:22] <bkerensa> akgraner: once you add the .org to that command it will work but will take awhile since it has to pull the whole repo down :)
[00:22] <akgraner> ohhhh
[00:22] <bkerensa> but after this the next steps are simple
[00:22] <akgraner> oops
[00:22] <bkerensa> yes
[00:22] <bkerensa> :D
[00:23] <akgraner> bkerensa, it's working now
[00:23] <bkerensa> akgraner: good :)
[00:23] <akgraner> (Hey nigelb  - isn't this funny that I am doing this :P)
[00:23] <bkerensa> akgraner: so this could take 10-15-20mins depending on your connection speed and the load on that server
[00:23] <bkerensa> the next steps are simple
[00:24] <nigelb> akgraner: I'm enjoying watching ^_^
[00:24] <akgraner> bkerensa, It's counting remote objects now
[00:24] <akgraner> if that means anything
[00:24] <bkerensa> akgraner: yeah so its counting how many files it has to download
[00:24] <bkerensa> :)
[00:24] <bkerensa> then it will actually clone them
[00:24] <bkerensa> :)
[00:24] <bkerensa> thats what takes time
[00:25] <akgraner> akgraner@thor:~$ git clone git://gitorious.org/qt/qt.git
[00:25] <akgraner> Cloning into 'qt'...
[00:25] <akgraner> remote: Counting objects: 682273, done.
[00:25] <akgraner> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
[00:25] <akgraner> fatal: early EOF
[00:25] <akgraner> fatal: index-pack failed
[00:25] <akgraner> akgraner@thor:~$
[00:25] <bkerensa> fail
[00:25] <bkerensa> so thats something on their end
[00:25] <bkerensa> :)
[00:25] <akgraner> no kidding even I understood that
[00:25] <bkerensa> you can retry
[00:25] <akgraner> :-P
[00:25] <bkerensa> until you get win
[00:25] <bkerensa> :D
[00:26] <Silverlion> akgraner: but you should continue your important work too ^^
[00:26] <Unit193> akgraner: Hah, do you fully do norse gods?
[00:26] <bkerensa> Silverlion: compiling source is always important work
[00:26] <bkerensa> ;p
[00:26] <Unit193> And I always go for git, maybe I should get git-core
[00:26] <Silverlion> good morning Unit193
[00:26] <bkerensa> Unit193: Git is just the meta package git-core is inside it
[00:27] <bkerensa> I think its just linked to git-core so either works
[00:27] <akgraner> bkerensa, I am receiving objects now this is a good sign
[00:27] <bkerensa> good
[00:27] <bkerensa> hopefully their server doesnt failwhale again
[00:27] <Unit193> bkerensa: Yes, one installs less.
[00:27] <bkerensa> darn Nokia people :P
[00:27] <bkerensa> Unit193: ahh I will have to look at Git and see what all it installs
[00:29] <Unit193> bkerensa: http://pastebin.com/n0xECyuU  :P
[00:29] <bkerensa> huh
[00:29] <bkerensa> git-gui
[00:29] <bkerensa> interesting
[00:30] <bkerensa> I fixed a bug in that package upstream
[00:30] <akgraner> there is a gui for everything now
[00:30] <akgraner> :-P
[00:30] <bkerensa> even Juju
[00:30] <bkerensa> its a shame
[00:30] <Unit193> gitweb breaks, replaces, and suggests...
[00:30] <Unit193> akgraner: That is, do you use norse gods for all computer names is what I meant. :P
[00:31] <akgraner> Nope
[00:31] <akgraner> my other machine is Spartacus :-)
[00:31] <akgraner> pgraner cringes every time I add a new machine
[00:32]  * Silverlion smiles happily
[00:32] <Silverlion> gosh its 2.30 AM and i am still able to code valid CSS 3 :D
[00:32] <akgraner> not because of the machines but my choice of names and how I choose them :-/
[00:33] <akgraner> bkerensa, I am at 20%  - I see what you mean with "it takes a while" - Silverlion what was your present :-)
[00:33] <bkerensa> akgraner: you will have to get a flu shot before UDS this year :P
[00:33] <akgraner> I already have
[00:34] <bkerensa> UDS-Q you got pretty sick :)
[00:34] <Silverlion> akgraner: i have coded a css file for your uwn ebook
[00:34] <bkerensa> me and phill were your neighbor
[00:34] <bkerensa> ;p
[00:34] <akgraner> If pgraner had not been there I would have been in the hospital
[00:35] <akgraner> bkerensa, I'm sorry - that was a rough UDS for me
[00:35] <bkerensa> akgraner: oh no worries I didnt hear you guys :) we just saw a lot of room service and know you were not feeling well
[00:35] <akgraner> then 2 weeks later it was time for Connect - I was wiped our when I got back
[00:35] <akgraner> s/our/out
[00:35] <bkerensa> I think I was more concerned with the lack of working room door and AC
[00:35] <bkerensa> ;p
[00:35] <akgraner> nods
[00:35] <bkerensa> the hotel locked us out three times
[00:36] <bkerensa> :(
[00:36] <bkerensa> akgraner: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1290791/
[00:36] <bkerensa> remaining steps ^
[00:36] <akgraner> once of the Southeast Linux Fest guys during SCaLE 9x actually got locked in his room the had to come take the door off to get him out
[00:36] <bkerensa> I have to walk away to marinate some chicken
[00:36] <bkerensa> bbs
[00:36] <akgraner> cool thank you
[00:37] <akgraner> this will be a while I am at 30% now
[00:38] <Silverlion> akgraner: please do also install this: http://www.epubread.com/en/
[00:38] <akgraner> ok
[00:39] <silverlion> re
[00:41] <akgraner> woo hoo - 45%
[00:43] <silverlion> *gg*
[00:43] <silverlion> my project is done 75 %
[00:43] <akgraner> Yay!
[00:43] <akgraner> you did an ebook version of the last issue of UWN :-)
[00:45] <silverlion> well not completely ^^
[00:45] <silverlion> but i did the preparations for it
[00:45] <akgraner> :-) sweet
[00:45] <akgraner> 53%
[00:47] <silverlion> hope you like it ^^
[00:47] <silverlion> at least the design is validated with w3c which means its correct *happy*
[00:47] <akgraner> :-)
[00:51] <silverlion> akgraner: wanna have a sneak preview of what we are going to do?
[00:51] <akgraner> 77%
[00:51] <silverlion> :D
[00:52] <akgraner> silverlion, sure
[00:52] <silverlion> akgraner: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1668987/UWN_Ebook-Draft__V1.png
[00:52] <silverlion> this will be part of the final result :D
[00:52] <silverlion> using the fonts Liberation Serif and Century Schoolbook :D
[00:53] <silverlion> PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE tell me you like the style :D
[00:53] <akgraner> we can't use the Ubuntu Font?
[00:53] <silverlion> we can use every font you wish ma'am ;)
[00:53] <bkerensa> Can I get a RT? https://twitter.com/bkerensa/status/259457124705382401
[00:53] <akgraner> well yes, but can we work on branding it with the Ubuntu Orange and stuff at some point? :-)
[00:54] <akgraner> bkerensa, /me looks
[00:54] <akgraner> oh I love the olpc project
[00:54] <cprofitt> olpc is awesome -- I did some work with them a while back
[00:55] <silverlion> akgraner: tell me what you need and i'll get it done for you ;)
[00:56] <bkerensa> cprofitt: if you get a chance a RT would go a long way :) especially since we are not at the summit :) and Fedora and other distros are :P we need to let them know we love their work
[00:56] <bkerensa> :D
[00:56] <akgraner> nigelb, do you know where the branding guidelines/themes are  - so we get the colors right (you know like what's on the Fridge or wiki pages)
[00:56] <silverlion> akgraner: when will you be available?
[00:56] <silverlion> i mean for recording 2morrow?
[00:57] <nigelb> No clue. I've been out of Ubuntu things for a while.
[00:57] <akgraner> I'm at 91% now
[00:57] <silverlion> I might be able to make it around 7PM UTC
[00:57] <akgraner> ohh - hmmm probably around 20:00 UTC
[00:57] <akgraner> my kids have a band competition tomorrow and it's the only one I will get to see
[00:58] <silverlion> that comes first off course
[00:58] <bkerensa> so looks like bbq is out... rain downpour :) fish tacos are in :)
[00:58] <akgraner> bkerensa, you mean it rains there - wow
[00:58] <akgraner> who would have thunk it
[00:58] <akgraner> :-P
[00:58] <silverlion> but i have to earn money on sunday so i might not be available this long tomorrow night
[00:59] <silverlion> bkerensa: retweetet you via akgraner
[00:59] <akgraner> silverlion, ok  - I am trying to hurry but I can only go as fast as this git clone will allow :-)
[01:00] <akgraner> If I get back earlier tomorrow  - I'll ping you
[01:00] <silverlion> akgraner: no worries :(
[01:00] <silverlion> family comes first... it just passed 3AM on my clock and if I want to have some sleep at all i need to turn the machine down now
[01:01] <akgraner> ok :-)  I appreciate you staying as long as you have - I might see if bkerensa wants to jump on a hangout we can explain the first few steps :-)
[01:01] <bkerensa> akgraner: tonight or tomorrow? I am about to be deep in halibut taco making in about five minutes then listening to violin music :P
[01:01] <akgraner> and what needed to happen before we get started with the actually making of the ebook
[01:01] <bkerensa> my fiancee just got a new violin so I'm cooking dinner :)
[01:01] <akgraner> ok no worries
[01:02] <akgraner> oh nice - sounds very relaxing  - unless she is learning to play the violin
[01:02] <akgraner> violins, bagpipes and banjos  - eeek when people are learning
[01:03] <silverlion> am i still needed ?
[01:03] <akgraner> silverlion, one sec
[01:03] <silverlion> kk
[01:03] <bkerensa> akgraner: she has played since youth :) she actually went to Wash DC and played for a few members of congress a few years back
[01:03] <bkerensa> she is pretty good
[01:03] <bkerensa> :D
[01:05] <akgraner> 1 - Install Kompozer 2 download http://code.google.com/p/sigil/downloads/detail?name=Sigil-0.5.3-Code.zip&can=2&q=    Step 3 install qt4 and all the dependencies step (see bkerensa steps) step 4 - install http://www.epubread.com/en/  what do I do with what I downloaded?
[01:06] <akgraner> bkerensa, awesome!
[01:06] <akgraner> ok git clone is done - now to follow the rest of the steps
[01:06] <silverlion> akgraner: i dont get your question... *sorry*
[01:06] <nhandler> akgraner: I only skimmed the scrollback. If you want to do UWN in a different format, I would be more than glad to tweak the scripts to handle converting the wiki to the new format. Just give me some sample output.
[01:06] <akgraner> silverlion,  - <akgraner> 1 - Install Kompozer 2 download http://code.google.com/p/sigil/downloads/detail?name=Sigil-0.5.3-Code.zip&can=2&q=    Step 3 install qt4 and all the dependencies step (see bkerensa steps) step 4 - install http://www.epubread.com/en/  what do I do with what I downloaded?
[01:07] <akgraner> nhandler, not a different format - an additional format :-)
[01:07] <nhandler> akgraner: That's what I meant to say ;)
[01:07] <akgraner> nhandler, just playing with an ebook
[01:07] <nhandler> Cool
[01:07] <silverlion> akgraner: you mean the picture i put in dropbox?
[01:08] <akgraner> not step 2 what do I do with that zip file
[01:08] <akgraner> silverlion, ^^
[01:08] <akgraner> s/not/no
[01:08] <akgraner> nhandler, :-)
[01:09] <akgraner> nhandler, I've been meaning to learn how to do this for a while - silverlion does the ebook format for Full Circle
[01:09] <silverlion> nhandler: what are your plans for october 20th around 20.00 UTC
[01:09] <akgraner> silverlion, nhandler created the awesome script magic we use now on UWN (thank goodness)
[01:10] <nhandler> silverlion: I'll probably be driving around then. Should be back by 01:00 UTC on the 21st
[01:10] <silverlion> nhandler: bummer would have invited you to the G+ Hangout to join akgraner
[01:11] <akgraner> bkerensa, ok silly question when you say run - I don't actually type 'run' I just type everything after run  - correct?
[01:11] <silverlion> akgraner: with the zip file you need to follow the instructions page i gave you
[01:11] <nhandler> silverlion: Don't worry about it ;) After the first ebook is made, I'll figure out some way to try and automate it
[01:12] <akgraner> nhandler, I'll document all the step like I did with UWN :-)  you know how I like to write down *all* the steps :-)
[01:12] <nhandler> akgraner: That would be perfect. Thanks!
[01:12] <silverlion> akgraner: maybe this will help : http://www.jonathanmoeller.com/screed/?p=3631
[01:14] <silverlion> if nothing works http://sigil.googlecode.com/files/Sigil-0.5.3-Linux-x86-Setup.bin this is what i just found :(
[01:14] <silverlion> akgraner: you are officially approved to kill me :/
[01:14] <silverlion> a setup bin ... I feel ashamed
[01:15] <silverlion> it had not been listed on the download page
[01:16] <silverlion> akgraner: ... are you mad at me?
[01:16] <akgraner> no why
[01:16] <akgraner> silverlion, no why - I am just typing commands
[01:16] <bkerensa> akgraner: no run
[01:16] <bkerensa> akgraner: just the command with the full tail of modules
[01:17] <akgraner> k
[01:17] <silverlion> akgraner: because i made you go all the way to compile and not directing you to the *.bin file
[01:17] <bkerensa> silverlion: but does the bin also have qt4 binaries?
[01:17] <akgraner> silverlion, no - this is great
[01:17] <akgraner> I love learning all this
[01:18] <silverlion> bkerensa: no idea
[01:18] <bkerensa> akgraner: pgraner doesn't teach you? :)
[01:18] <akgraner> silverlion, I would never get made at anyone who helps me expand my knowledge
[01:18] <akgraner> bkerensa, hahahahahahahahaha.....
[01:19] <akgraner> bkerensa, um you've meet him and been around us when we are both together right?
[01:19] <bkerensa> akgraner: uhh no I don't think I have seen you guys interact together
[01:19] <bkerensa> I have met him though
[01:20] <bkerensa> I made the mistake of suggesting a pizza place was open late night
[01:20] <bkerensa> and yeah idk :) he was not amused
[01:20] <bkerensa> ;p
[01:20] <akgraner> hehe   - there is a reason people don't see us interact
[01:20] <bkerensa> thats not very open source like
[01:20] <bkerensa> ;p
[01:21]  * bkerensa is now official gone to taco land
[01:21] <akgraner> bkerensa, thanks for your help
[01:21] <akgraner> silverlion, thank you  - and we'll work on this some more tomorrow
[01:22] <silverlion> bkerensa: have a good one ;)
[01:22] <silverlion> akgraner: looking forward to put you to the test ^^
[01:23] <akgraner> me too - thanks
[01:24] <silverlion> reporting off duty now
[01:24] <silverlion> ;)
[01:24] <silverlion> cu 2morrow (my TZ
[01:25] <akgraner> yeppers - night
[01:44] <akgraner> ok  -  I am stuck - nigelb thoughts looks like everything I was trying to compile didn't :-(
[01:44] <akgraner> nigelb, this might help you  - http://paste.ubuntu.com/1290895/
[01:45] <nigelb> Not sure why you were trying to compile qt in the first place. You can just apt-get install. Gimme a sec to figure out the right packages.
[01:45] <akgraner> ok
[01:45] <akgraner> I'll write up what I've done so far so I (well you) can see if I need to undo anything
[01:46] <nigelb> libqt4-xml libqt4-svg
[01:46] <nigelb> (that's not all, acceidental enter press)
[01:48] <nigelb> akgraner: "apt-get install libqt4-xml libqt4-svg libqt4-webkit libqt4-dev"
[01:48] <nigelb> After that, unzip that file you downloaded.
[01:48] <akgraner> sudo right?
[01:49] <nigelb> yes
[01:49] <akgraner> :-)
[01:49] <akgraner> I knew that :-P just asking
[01:49] <nigelb> :)
[01:49] <akgraner> ok unzipping it now
[01:50] <nigelb> tell me where it's getting unzipped
[01:51] <akgraner> ok I can see all the files - do I extract it or what (ok maybe it's not unzipped I just clicked on it and now I can see the file names)
[01:52] <nigelb> aha
[01:52] <nigelb> extractit.
[01:52] <nigelb> err
[01:52] <nigelb> extract it
[01:52] <akgraner> if the file is zipped - why not say unzip grrrr
[01:53] <akgraner> so I extract all files and let it re-create folders and overwrite existing files?
[01:54] <nigelb> had you extracted this before?
[01:54] <akgraner> nigelb, sorry to ask so many questions I just want to get it right (those were the boxes that were checked by default)
[01:54] <akgraner> nope  - not that I know of
[01:55] <nigelb> akgraner: if we were to get on a google hangout, can you share your desktop with me?
[01:55] <nigelb> probably easier that way :)
[01:55] <akgraner> sure
[01:55] <nigelb> give me 2 mins
[01:55] <akgraner> k
[01:55] <akgraner> sorry
[01:56] <akgraner> I think dholbach and dpm are crazy about all this being "easy" this is soooo perspective driven :-P
[01:56] <nigelb> hahah
[01:56] <nigelb> ok
[01:56] <nigelb> lets go
[01:57] <akgraner> you want me to invite you
[01:57] <nigelb> yeah
[01:58] <akgraner> you should have the invite
[01:58] <akgraner> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f483afde454f8d135f7f8ec28d749d5e05664a2e?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
[01:59] <akgraner> nigelb, did you get the invite?  ^^^
[02:01] <nigelb> joining
[06:03] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: nope, haven't seem them
[06:03] <JoseeAntonioR> I know doctormo has them
[08:11] <MrChrisDruif> akgraner; you did NOT name your systems thor and spartacus?! Why? =)
[10:05] <Silverlion> good day everyone!
[10:07] <Silverlion> bkerensa: ping
[10:29] <Silverlion> hi daviey
[12:24] <akgraner> MrChrisDruif, :-P
[12:24] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, oops sorry - haven't seem who/what?  sorry late night - remind me of the context
[13:08] <Silverlion> good morning akgraner ;) how is your system ;)
[13:09] <akgraner> fine   - we got it compiled and working but I am about to head out the the competition
[13:11] <Silverlion> akgraner: have fun there
[13:11] <Silverlion> i need to do some gardening :(
[13:12] <akgraner> thanks
[16:31] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: about the branding, doctormo is the one who has the branding for it
[16:33] <JoseeAntonioR> he created and updated the branding a couple months ago
[16:33] <JoseeAntonioR> or was it the classroom team?
[16:42] <Silverlion> hey JoseeAntonioR ;)
[16:42] <JoseeAntonioR> hi, Silverlion!
[16:42]  * Silverlion is preparing the speech for tonight
[16:46] <JoseeAntonioR> cool, I'd like to have some photos posted so we can link it in the UWN, maybe, if they're from your LoCo blog
[18:06] <Silverlion> JoseeAntonioR: what kind of photos?
[18:06] <JoseeAntonioR> of the speech
[18:07] <Silverlion> JoseeAntonioR: I wont post any pictures but you are free to do so if you want ;)
[18:07] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, well
[18:07] <Silverlion> only need to ask akgraner for permission
[19:28] <Silverlion> hey bizhanMona
[19:29] <bizhanMona> Silverlion: hi
[19:32] <Silverlion> JoseeAntonioR: the speech is going to be delayed
[19:39] <JoseeAntonioR> oh
[21:24] <MrChrisDruif> JoseeAntonioR; I know where you can spot doctormo if you're interested.
[21:24] <JoseeAntonioR> MrChrisDruif: he's online on #u-community-team atm
[21:25] <MrChrisDruif> He's always online in #novacut , I don't scroll-down that much on #u-c-t
[21:27] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks!
[21:42] <Silverlion> hoi MrChrisDruif
[21:42] <MrChrisDruif> Hoi Silverlion
[21:43] <Silverlion> seems like the vid will not be recorded tonight
[22:28] <Silverlion> MrChrisDruif: ping
[22:28] <MrChrisDruif> Silverlion; pong
[22:28] <Silverlion> MrChrisDruif: why dont you react on G+?
[22:29] <Silverlion> ^^
[22:29] <MrChrisDruif> Because there is nothing to react to?
[22:29] <MrChrisDruif> I heard one ping, ONE PING!!
[22:30] <MrChrisDruif> Nothing to be found where it came from.
[22:30] <Silverlion> MrChrisDruif: i asked you a question there ^^
[22:30] <Silverlion> whether you are willing to look into the ebook thing we talked about yesterday
[22:30] <MrChrisDruif> I did not see something like that.
[22:33] <Silverlion> weird ^^
[22:33] <MrChrisDruif> I would be, but I must say I'm a midst a move from one place to another. Hopefully I go over next weekend.
[22:36] <Silverlion> MrChrisDruif: all the best for the move ^^ i have read it on FB - that is why i was asking
[22:38] <MrChrisDruif> I'd put it on my to-do list. Been awhile since I last did something note worthy for Ubuntu.
[22:44] <Silverlion> kk I will turn the Computer off now