[00:02] <tsimonq2> That'd be before my time.
[00:02] <tsimonq2> pleia2: ^
[00:06] <pleia2> I don't remember running one for readers
[00:07] <pleia2> we did one for summwry writers and like 2 people filled it out ;)
[00:13] <Bashing-om> Would we be able to "click here" to get a idea of how many even read the letter ?
[00:24] <Wild_Man> Let me see if I can find it, it was in 2010 I think
[00:24] <pleia2> people hate surveys
[00:28] <Wild_Man> I do too
[00:30] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: This ? : https://askubuntu.com/questions/36734/what-happened-to-the-ubuntu-weekly-newsletter
[00:32] <Wild_Man> That is the one with the survey, it turned out several replies
[00:33] <Wild_Man> I knew I showed it to you but I could not find the link tonight Bashing-om
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[00:41] <Wild_Man> pleia2, that is the link ^^^
[00:42] <pleia2> ah yes, that was before I was very involved too, when akgraner ran things
[00:42] <pleia2> that is a lot of responses!
[00:43] <Wild_Man> It really is and that is what Bashing-om is thinking about
[00:43] <pleia2> I'd probably use a Google Form to run another one
[00:43] <pleia2> theyeasy to set up
[00:43] <pleia2> they're free and easy to set up
[00:43] <Wild_Man> Is that like a google doc?
[00:44] <pleia2> yeah, it's just a type of google doc
[00:44] <Wild_Man> The survey should run for 10 to 14 days if we do it?
[00:44] <pleia2> "Google Forms"
[00:45] <Wild_Man> Okay, I can look that up
[00:45] <pleia2> I'd probably give it a few weeks, to catch people on vacation and whatnot
[00:46] <Wild_Man> 4 should do it
[00:47]  * pleia2 nods
[00:47] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, any suggestions or questions?
[00:48] <Wild_Man> pleia2, how is your baby doing?
[00:49] <pleia2> he's good :) just turned 3 months old on Saturday, growing so fast!
[00:49] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Above my pay grade to implement - All I do now is monkey-see moonkey-do. But whatever we can do to foster UWN is a good thing.
[00:49] <pleia2> and now he's woken up from his nap ;) so I'm back on baby duty
[00:50] <Wild_Man> That is awwesome pleia2, kids forever change your life, thanks for your inpyt
[00:50] <Wild_Man> input
[00:50] <Wild_Man> If you want to do this we need to see if krytarik is on board
[00:53] <krytarik> Wild_Man: 1.) I'd only do anything like that if it'd yield anything more than just how many of the thousands of subscribers can be bothered to confirm that they actually read the newsletter too.  2.) Those calling for this to be done should run it too.
[00:54] <krytarik> (Woops, forgot to ping the other one too..)
[00:56] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Wild_Man : :) .. Would be nice just to know that we are read .. a simple count from a click link woulld give some indication.
[00:56] <krytarik> Yes - how many can be bothered to click a link.
[00:57] <Wild_Man> That is what Bashing-om is hoping to get an idea of how many people are actually reading the letter, I am not sure if it will be representative of the actual numbers or not, we probably need a numbers person to say how many of the people that read the letter will actually take the survey then that should give us a true number, probably only about 5 to 10 percent will take the survey would be my guess
[01:01] <krytarik> But since I'd wager that it's impossible to say what share of the subscribers do confirm that they are reading the newsletter too, imo it's pretty pointless to run a contentless poll in the first place - it'd just mean work for those running it with no clear outcome at all.
[01:05] <krytarik> However, if those wanting to run it, accept the latter and do the work - then I'm fine with it being done.
[01:10] <Bashing-om> krytarik: For me chasing after a poll is but 2 more clicks in the rounds I make for UWN production now. As to any benefits ( or filtering) I am in no postition to judge.
[01:11] <Wild_Man> We will discuss it, I am busy all week until at least
[01:11] <Wild_Man> Friday
[01:16] <krytarik> Bashing-om, Wild_Man: To be clear, that's between the both of you to figure it out - if you manage to do it on your own, that's fine with me.
[01:16] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I know
[01:19] <krytarik> I don't remember what position guiverc had on it, but of course he is free to help with it too.
[01:19] <guiverc> i doubt i could offer anything (position or help wise)
[01:23] <krytarik> guiverc: I mean do you think a bare click count would give you anything there?  Short of a magic number to extrapolate it to the actual reader count?
[01:26] <guiverc> by position I was thinking view/thoughts or anything more; no i cannot see how we'd get anything meaningful, recall still the issue 500 milestone & attempts to get responses... ubuntu things are no different to elsewhere in real life, people mean to respond, but rarely don't get distracted & forget to respond as they intended
[01:36] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Any heartburn if I comment on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Ideas for the 2 listed requests ? Might help if I pay more attention there ?
[01:38] <krytarik> Well, since I still get no notifications on any wiki changes at all, good that you spotted it at least! :P  So yeah, if you want to reply there - sure, feel free to.
[01:39] <Bashing-om> krytarik: :)
[01:57] <krytarik> Bashing-om: I see the 'To:' and 'Subject:' fields made it into the newsletter mail body again. >_>
[01:59] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I did think I was very careful and checking .. Hummm wonder where they are coming from ?
[02:00] <krytarik> I'll tell you where from: Ctrl+a → Ctrl+c → Ctrl+v! :P
[02:01] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Yes but I am sure that I do go back and cut the extraineous fileds .
[02:03] <krytarik> Well, most of the time it does seem to work out, so.. >_>
[02:05] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I will for sure exert greater attention in the future - triple check that Ctl-x where it needs to be :)
[02:08] <krytarik> If you insist on using Ctrl+x too, here is an idea that should make it impossible for the fields to be both in the mail body and the actual fields: Just feed the latter from the first! :P
[02:09] <krytarik> No need for an extra Ctrl+c on those either then!
[02:22] <Bashing-om> I do have lots to look our for and lots to learn :)
[02:28] <krytarik> You mean like efficiency at work? :P
[02:29] <krytarik> "Surely we can save a few more steps in the workflow!"
[02:32] <Bashing-om> LOL yeah - something akin to that.
[02:47] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, you did receive the email today about "David on his successful ubuntu-budgie packageset
[02:47] <Wild_Man> uploader application!" right?
[02:49] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Lemme check my in-Box :(
[02:50] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yup .. and more stuff for UWN needs my attention :)
[02:51] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, good, I figured you did
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[20:35] <Bashing-om> Hello julientm :)
[20:36] <julientm> Hey Bashing-om
[20:36] <julientm> just getting introduced to the ubuntu community.
[20:37] <Bashing-om> julientm: Well that is a good thing . Have you met #ubuntu and other related channels ?
[20:37] <julientm> yeah been lounging in the channels for like a day or so now
[20:39] <Bashing-om> julientm: I learned a lot "lurking" about . Feel free to ask of us anything ubuntu related - help is what we do :P
[20:39] <julientm> Thank you Bashing, great community and warm welcome so far.
[20:40] <Bashing-om> julientm: 'Tis :) Best of open source.
[21:35] <Wild_Man> Welcome julientm, happy you are here.
[21:35] <julientm> Thank you Wild_Man !
[21:35] <Wild_Man> You are most welcome
[21:36] <Wild_Man> I have to get busy again but will be back later, Hello Bashing-om and guiverc
[21:36] <julientm> it is pretty nice here to be honest okay ttyl
[21:36] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I be here for the duration :)
[21:37] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I figured you would be
[21:37] <Wild_Man> I hope to be done soon
[21:37] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Not much at all going on .. slow Tueday all over :)
[21:38] <Wild_Man> I am going to be busy the rest of the week until at least Saturday
[21:39] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: And guiverc Has this week-end all covered up for him ... You know where the load then lies :D
[21:40] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I saw him post that, and yes I do
[21:40] <Wild_Man> Maybe you will get some help
[21:41] <Wild_Man> I am afk for a while
[21:41] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: It's ubuntu - All things are possible - even qualified help comming our way .


 if Simon gave me creds to the altispeed system I could give people pseudo dev environments but meh (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> i'm surprised we don't have something readily available a la altispeed)
 but its a single digitalocean container so
 not sure its usable for devel envs for everyobe
[00:24] <wxl> i mean i'm sure we could figure something out. most of the personalization can be modified with variables. only issue might be ssh keys
[00:24] <wxl> (for vcs)


[12:39] <Riddell> uniq: how's it going?
[12:40] <uniq> installing. livecd is slow when it comes to installing new packages and things like that :)
[12:40] <uniq> that's why the compiling has been so slow.
[12:41] <uniq> i just don't have time to re-install and fix everything for my dad again.. that's why i'm doing it this stupid way.
[12:42] <uniq> i'll give him the machine friday. so no time.
[12:42] <Riddell> you're very kind to your father, giving him an amd64 and aa
[12:42] <uniq> oh.. he is paying alright :)
[12:43] <uniq> a little.. like 50% of it's value or sometihng :)
[12:44] <uniq> i'm thinking of buying a new amd64.. probably a desktop.. or maybe changing my server from p4 to amd64.
[12:50] <uniq> kio-apt for testing if you want: http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/kio-apt/
[12:51] <uniq> i'm thinking of replacing the KDE+debian logo in the upper left corner on the search page. with a kubutu logo.
[12:52] <Riddell> I like how frode.kde.no has a kubuntu favicon :)
[12:52] <uniq> i changed the server from sarge to ubuntu yesterday :)
[12:52] <uniq> i like to think of it as kubuntu, without kde :)
[12:54] <Riddell> both the logo and the icon should be kubuntu for kio-apt
[12:54] <uniq> yes.
[12:54] <uniq> it needs some kubuntu branding.
[12:59] <uniq> do you have a logo that could fit in the upper left corner?
[01:00] <Riddell> not to hand but KubuntuArtwork has the logo
[01:00] <uniq> ok. thanks.
[01:15] <Riddell> "kubuntufied by Frode"  nice word :)
[01:15] <uniq> :)
[01:20] <uniq> hmm.. what about just removing the whole blue thing on top of the apt:/ page, and add the "[logo]  kubuntu" png from KubuntuArtwork ?
[01:20] <uniq> would that be a simple-and-lazy solution?
[01:21] <Riddell> uniq: well there's text that needs to go there
[01:21] <uniq> right.
[01:21] <Riddell> but if you can fit both in and it still looks sensible that's all good
[01:22] <uniq> i was just thiking it's probably enought blue.. not everyone uses the default blue theme.
[01:22] <Riddell> uniq: I get a compile error list.cpp
[01:22] <Riddell> parsers.h:19: error: extra ';'
[01:23] <uniq> where?
[01:23] <uniq> ah.. found it.
[01:24] <uniq> breezy?
[01:26] <uniq> i've been building it on hoary.
[01:26] <Riddell> gcc 4 will catch you like that
[01:27] <uniq> yeah.. i'll make it compile on breezy too.
[01:27] <uniq> did you look at the changes i made to kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-default-settings?
[01:28] <Riddell> uniq: nope, where are they?
[01:29] <uniq> http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/
[01:29] <Riddell> don't see them
[01:29] <uniq> under breezy
[01:31] <uniq> after you've checked them they should be uploaded to breezy. imho. kubuntu-desktop in breezy leaves ksmserver out. meaning kde doesn't show up in the sessions list.. among other things.
[01:31] <uniq> and the kubuntu-default-setting is to make kuser start adding users at uid and gid 1000 instead of 500. (marked as major in bugzilla) i'm looking for the bug-number now.
[01:32] <uniq> #11854
[02:16] <Mez> uniq.... it adds them at 500 for me
[02:17] <Mez> but my original user was added as 1000 (though I did edit the number to make my second user 1001)
[02:17] <uniq> mez: the default-settings doesn't override your users kuserrc
[02:18] <Mez> ??
[02:18] <Mez> when i use kuser - it tries to add them from 500.
[02:18] <Mez> my default user Id for my user created on install was 1000
[02:18] <Mez> so i manually changed the second user to 1001
[02:18] <Mez> mez:x:1000:1000:Mez:/home/mez:/bin/bash
[02:18] <Mez> emily:x:1001:500:Emily Davies:/home/emily:/bin/bash
[02:18] <Mez> ah
[02:19] <Mez> lol @ gid for emiluy
[02:19] <Mez> emily *
[02:19] <uniq> remove /root/.kde/share/config/kuserrc, install my kubuntu-default-settings from http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/breezy/ and try to add a user.
[02:19] <Riddell> there was a girl at my school called Emily Davies
[02:20] <Mez> really Riddell? well I doubt it's the same one, my Emily's not scottish :D
[02:21] <Mez> uniq - my kuserrc just has the following in ti
[02:21] <Mez> [MainWindow]
[02:21] <Mez> Height 768=769
[02:21] <Mez> Width 1024=1025
[02:21] <Riddell> Mez: ask her if she ran off with Lumpy.  just to be sure
[02:22] <Mez> or, easier - Riddell - is this hwer
[02:22] <Mez> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/18525171/
[02:24] <Riddell> no not her
[02:27] <cartel_> Mez shes cute
[02:27] <cartel_> wd
[02:29] <uniq> mez: did you install my kubuntu-default-settings .deb ? - i still get gid and uid 1000+ with a kuserrc with the info you pasted.
[02:29] <cartel_> but if all linux developers had cute girlfriends i doubt we'd have very good distros, since gfs are very good at sucking up free time
[02:45] <uniq> riddell: kde 3.4.1 installed nicely on amd64. and kde started fine too. haven't played arround very much yet though.
[02:45] <uniq> i really have to go to bed now. 0245 already. work in 6 hours.
[02:46] <uniq> good night.
[03:32] <Mez> lol @ cartel :D Mark shuttleworth has a cute gf :D
[03:33] <Mez> cartel_, *
[03:33] <Mez> hehe :D and I'm  glad to say so do i :D
[08:50] <froud> African greetings
[08:53] <froud> where do I find a list of targets for Kubuntu so I can start with Kubuntu Release Notes?
[10:46] <froud-work> Is it safe to upgrade Kubuntu hoary to breezy yet ? :-)
[10:57] <haggai> froud-work: only if you can boot into console or reach the machine over the network, and run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ; sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart' if X doesn't come up after the upgrade
[10:57] <froud-work> :-) Ok so that xorg stuff is still broken
[01:29] <\sh> *censoredswear*
[01:29] <\sh> why can't they release a bloody snapshot with an updated changelog
[01:32] <Riddell> \sh: who?
[01:32] <\sh> python-kde
[01:33] <\sh> they released a new snapshot..no changelog update nothing..and the patches are also not inside
[01:35] <Riddell> evil
[01:36] <\sh> that means, I'm using the new snapshot, applying the patches again, and uploading it to ubuntu, again not nice, but if this is working correctly, i don't mind
[01:38] <\sh> Riddell: btw..i patched a bit of kdepim ;)
[01:41] <Riddell> \sh: your kdepim patch is number 2 on my todo list below uniq's ksmserver fix
[01:41] <Riddell> \sh: did we get anything uploaded with review day?
[01:42] <\sh> Riddell: well, i think I didn't do it correctly, cause I didn't have the two arrows in my akregator..there were no toolbar actions in akregator_part.rc
[01:42] <\sh> Riddell: dunno...i have to check
[01:43] <\sh> I'm too busy right now with some other stuff (office)...and trying to do everything, is not possible ;)
[01:53] <Riddell> \sh: can you give me an account on REVU?
[01:53] <\sh> Riddell: siretart can..send him your gpg key , username is email addr, and a password
[01:54] <\sh> Riddell: i'm trying to move REVU to my box right now, and implementing the test build process
[01:54] <\sh> and this tool is really nice, for more ideas ;)
[01:55] <Riddell> froud-work: not sure what you mean by targets but the spec if on the UDU wiki
[01:55] <Riddell> s/if/is/
[01:55] <\sh> "Kubuntu KDE Packaging Day -> Package your favorite KDE app, which is not in Kubuntu, and send them to us" ,-)
[01:57] <uniq> hello.
[01:58] <uniq> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8768 - NOTABUG?
[02:00] <Riddell> uniq: konqueror overrides the desktop/file manager icons size
[02:00] <uniq> i know, but it's not a bug?
[02:00] <Riddell> seems to be a usability issue
[02:00] <Riddell> if the kcontrol module says file manager icon size then I'd expect that to set file manager icon size
[02:01] <Riddell> I guess it should be reported to KDE
[02:05] <uniq> ok. should i make a bugreport on bugs.kde.org?
[02:07] <\sh> Riddell: i will try to get my main upload right for kde stuff in the next few weeks...
[02:10] <\sh> rb
[02:10] <\sh> brb
[02:11] <Riddell> uniq: yeah that would be good
[02:19] <uniq> we should get kubuntu into the list of distributions on the bugs.kde.org :)
[02:25] <Riddell> uniq: I've asked, they need us to ship with kdelibs ./configure --disto=kubuntu which hoary isn't
[02:26] <uniq> ah. ok.
[02:29] <uniq> now, bug reported to upstream. should i change it to UPSTREAM or leave it as new?
[02:30] <uniq> i'll change it to upstream, we cant fix everything.
[02:31] <Riddell> uniq: yes upstream, thanks
[02:32] <Riddell> uniq: and put in the URL of the upstream bugzilla entry
[02:32] <uniq> doing so. ops.. spelinmiiiisakes in my upstream bugreport.. ohwel. :)
[02:35] <uniq> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11130
[02:35] <uniq> something for kubuntu-default-setting in breezy.
[02:37] <Riddell> uniq: yep
[02:37] <Riddell> uniq: want to investigate or shall I?
[02:37] <uniq> i can fix that.
[02:37] <uniq> you can do more advanced stuff :)
[03:36] <JRe> uniq: the news reader is akregator ?
[03:37] <Riddell> JRe: I think it means KNode
[03:37] <JRe> Riddell: mm so in that case i can't reproduce this bug
[03:38] <Riddell> I don't have knode showing by default in Kontact, I had to turn it on
[03:38] <JRe> Riddell: ha okay ;)
[03:38] <JRe> Riddell: it was a simlpe bug ;)
[03:39] <uniq> riddell: new kubuntu-default-settings at http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/breezy
[03:40] <JRe> uniq: wow that was fast!
[03:40] <uniq> works here.. tested on 2 clean and new accounts.
[03:40] <uniq> jre: it's a two-line fix :)
[03:40] <JRe> uniq: )
[03:40] <JRe> :)
[03:40] <uniq> please test.
[03:40] <uniq> the package will install cleanly on hoary too.
[03:41] <uniq> riddell: and.. i've fixed the compile issues with kio-apt. new version is at the same location.
[03:41] <uniq> that's breezy/
[03:42] <uniq> just need to figure out how to add images to a diff.. and it'll be branded too.
[03:43] <Riddell> uniq: that is always a pain
[03:43] <Riddell> you need to uuencode things
[03:44] <uniq> ugh.
[03:44] <Riddell> then depending on your patch system you can just uudecode directly in debian/rules and copy the file to the correct place
[03:44] <Riddell> uniq: or you could just use the SVG file
[03:44] <uniq> i use dpatch and cdbs+debhelper.mk
[03:44] <uniq> no.. actually.. no cdbs for this package.
[03:45] <Riddell> probably need to uudecode and cp (and rm it with clean)
[03:46] <uniq> ok.
[03:47] <uniq> anyone got a clue on how to fix the 'administrator mode' problem in control center?
[03:47] <JRe> uniq: mmm what is this problem?
[03:47] <uniq> one of kubuntus major problems atm.
[03:48] <JRe> uniq: there is a bug report i can read?
[03:48] <JRe> uniq: okay got the report
[03:49] <uniq> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681
[03:50] <JRe> uniq: it does not do that anymore with the 3.4.1 packages of hoary, right ?
[03:51] <uniq> yes it does.
[03:56] <JRe> mmm that work fine for me
[03:56] <uniq> hi froud, sorry i don't have your package ready yet. i'll resume my work on it now.
[03:57] <froud> uniq: np, when you are ready
[03:57] <uniq> jre: yes, on my machine too. but at my kubuntu laptop at work it's not working.
[03:58] <JRe> uniq: mmm strange
[03:58] <uniq> whaat. now it works on that laptop too.
[03:58] <uniq> i opend 'visudo' and closed it just saving the file with no changes.
[04:00] <uniq> ahh.. figured it out.
[04:00] <uniq> if i deleted /root/.kde it won't work. stops at 'Loading...'
[04:00] <uniq> if i start kcontrol as root once. it works every time.
[04:01] <uniq> can you confirm this?
[04:02] <JRe> i try
[04:03] <JRe> hum deleted /root/.kde
[04:03] <JRe> don't work
[04:04] <uniq> humn.. ok.. then i didn't figure it out.
[04:04] <JRe> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-jre" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:04] <uniq> i just got that too.
[04:06] <JRe> uniq: i confirm everything you said :)
[04:06] <JRe> uniq: it does not even prompt for the root password before working now
[04:06] <uniq> same for me.
[04:07] <JRe> uniq: do you think it's a KDE related problem ?
[04:08] <JRe> uniq: it seems to come from the kdecache, no?
[04:09] <uniq> don't know. because that error was when starting kcontrol from sudo.
[04:11] <JRe> yes
[04:11] <uniq> i think it's kdesu
[04:12] <uniq> when i try to run 'kdesu kcontrol' from the commandline it doesn't ask for my password.
[04:12] <uniq> just standing there waiting.
[04:16] <uniq> ok. now it works again.
[04:16] <JRe> kdesu -u root kcontrol does not asked me a passwird too
[04:17] <uniq> i think kdesu is confused by the fact that sudo keeps the password for 15 min.
[04:18] <JRe> we have to chrono the bug ;)
[04:18] <uniq> if you try to add: timestamp_timeout=0 to the end of the line starting with Defaults, in 'visudo'
[04:18] <uniq> and then try to reproduce.
[04:21] <JRe> uniq: how now it works fine!
[04:21] <uniq> can anyone else confirm this?
[04:23] <JRe> uniq: i'll try tonight to see if that bug happens also on debian
[04:24] <uniq> ok.
[04:24] <uniq> riddell: still here?
[04:26] <JRe> uniq: i don't see this kind of bug in bugs.debian.org
[04:26] <uniq> They don't use sudo.
[04:26] <uniq> and su doesn't keep passwords.
[04:27] <JRe> uniq: yes and unstable have 3.3
[04:29] <uniq> i posted a comment on bugzilla, hoping for some feedback and testing.
[04:52] <Riddell> uniq: hi
[04:53] <uniq> riddell: i announced amd64 packages on the kubuntu-users list. fyi.
[04:53] <uniq> riddell: hi.
[04:56] <uniq> riddell: forgot what i was going to ask. sorry to bother you.
[04:58] <Riddell> :)
[04:59] <uniq> fyi, i've changed 11130 to PENDINGUPLOAD. (kontact defaults)
[05:01] <uniq> same goes for 11854  (kuser uid/gid)
[05:01] <uniq> it's all kubuntu-default-settings
[05:02] <Riddell> I've already uploaded kuser, you can mark that as done
[05:02] <uniq> kuser? you mean kubuntu-default-settings?
[05:03] <Riddell> yes
[05:03] <uniq> ok. i just updated the package. then the version number needs to be changed.
[05:22] <uniq> riddell: 0.2 at http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/breezy/kubuntu-default-settings/
[05:23] <JRe> anyone now if MIT license is compatible with GPL ?
[05:23] <Riddell> JRe: depends which one
[05:24] <JRe> Riddell: the X11 one
[05:24] <Riddell> JRe: again, depends which one :)
[05:24] <Riddell> JRe: generally yes but there are versions with silly advertising caluses
[05:25] <Riddell> clauses
[05:26] <uniq> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html
[05:28] <JRe> Riddell, uniq: okay thanks!
[05:30] <m-foxela> hi, anything new on the missing files in kdepim-wizards on http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341
[05:30] <m-foxela> ?
[05:34] <Riddell> m-foxela: I'm building fixed packages now
[05:34] <Riddell> just for you
[05:35] <m-foxela> thank you :)
[05:35] <m-foxela> wanna try kolab 2.0
[05:58] <Riddell> uniq: kio-apt looks good
[05:58] <Riddell> uniq: add the names and descriptions of the patches to changelog
[05:58] <Riddell> uniq: add the homepage to control
[05:59] <uniq> ok, thanks for looking at it.
[06:00] <Riddell> uniq: mention that you added libxi-dev in changelog too
[06:00] <uniq> will do.
[06:00] <Riddell> uniq: add a kubuntu favicon and web page logo and it'll be sorted
[06:01] <uniq> yes, master :)
[06:02] <uniq> i'm thinking maybe we should add a 16x16 kubuntu icon to kdebase-data or something.
[06:02] <uniq> could be useful for other apps too.
[06:02] <uniq> for kio-apt i will add a kubuntu 16x16 icon named kioapt
[06:02] <Riddell> I'm probably changing the System icon to have a wee kubuntu logo in it
[06:02] <uniq> nice :)
[06:04] <Riddell> did pef finish his datakiosk package?
[06:05] <uniq> not as far as i know.
[06:05] <uniq> he found a few things to fix last time he was here.
[07:14] <m-fox> huhu
[08:05] <uniq> hi froud. I'm working on the kubuntu-docs package now.
[08:06] <uniq> got a question. should<EMAIL_ADDRESS>be listed as maintainer?
[08:08] <m-fox> Hi, the new kdepim packages work fine with kolab2. Riddell, thank you for compiling and uploding.
[08:11] <uniq> i'll say thanks for the feed back on behalf of riddell (if he's not around?)
[08:12] <uniq> froud: ping.
[08:12] <froud> pong
[08:12] <uniq> hi.
[08:12] <uniq> can you read a few lines back please? a question for you.
[08:12] <froud> maintainer, yes
[08:12] <froud> ubuntu-doc@ is fine
[08:13] <uniq> ok. great.
[08:15] <uniq> is there a way you would like to separate the docs into -faq, -installation, etc?
[08:15] <uniq> or should it all go into one package?
[08:16] <froud> Hmm, not really just one package
[08:16] <froud> what have you included
[08:16] <uniq> I included everything in build/kde for now.
[08:17] <froud> Ah ha, I see Ok we will only package some stuff
[08:17] <froud> here comes the list
[08:17] <uniq> ok.. it's ready.
[08:17] <uniq> (the list)
[08:17] <froud> user guide, install guide, quick guide, release notes
[08:18] <froud> faq will not go in (maybe later)
[08:19] <froud> uniq: I actually question the sanity of doing install guide
[08:19] <uniq> i questioned it too.
[08:19] <froud> since user will have it installed
[08:19] <uniq> yes.
[08:19] <froud> but
[08:19] <uniq> and it is huge.. with the pictures and all.
[08:19] <froud> it does make sense to put it on the root of the cd in a readme folder :-)
[08:20] <uniq> sure.
[08:20] <froud> uniq: actually it is better as a PDF
[08:20] <uniq> yes.
[08:20] <froud> I can add a build for pdf
[08:20] <froud> but that will require apache fop
[08:20] <froud> its ok for me
[08:20] <froud> but I dunno about everyone
[08:20] <uniq> hmm. i don't think we need it in the package. we need it for the cd :)
[08:21] <froud> yes, what do you suggest?
[08:21] <froud> I can do the PDF and somebody can add it to the cd
[08:21] <uniq> would be great.
[08:22] <froud> OK I will create a FOP transformation
[08:22] <froud> but will keep it commented out in the make file
[08:22] <froud> since not everyones system will be setup for fop
[08:23] <uniq> I edit the makefile anyway. for the package.
[08:23] <froud> Hmm you do
[08:23] <uniq> or.. did i..
[08:23] <froud> do we need to change the Makefile
[08:23] <uniq> it'll be a patch in any case.
[08:24] <froud> why not just add it to our svn
[08:24] <froud> makes sense that we have a package make target
[08:25] <uniq> oh.. i just added clean: \n rm -rf $(KBASE)
[08:25] <uniq> and.
[08:25] <uniq> changed: '
[08:25] <uniq> XSLTPROC=/usr/bin/xsltproc
[08:25] <uniq> to  XSLTPROC=$(shell which xsltproc)
[08:26] <froud> OK, is it the XSLTPROC constant needed
[08:26] <froud> surely the system should just find it
[08:26] <froud> its in the path
[08:27] <froud> no biggie
[08:28] <froud> so what will the procedure be to ensure that the PDF gets onto the CD
[08:28] <uniq> i'll add a maketarget named 'kdeb' to make only the docs that should be included in the package.
[08:29] <froud> OK that will make it easy for all
[08:29] <uniq> mail the pdf or a link to the pdf to riddell.
[08:29] <froud> I will add it to lnix/~froud
[08:29] <uniq> ok :)
[08:30] <froud> but near release he is bound to forget :-)
[08:30] <uniq> we'll have to remind him then :)
[08:30] <uniq> how big will the pdf be?
[08:30] <froud> dunno, but much smaller that the current payload
[08:30] <froud> s/that/than
[08:31] <uniq> about kubuntu should be in the package, or?
[08:31] <froud> oops yes
[08:31] <froud> :-)
[08:32] <uniq> so, user guide, quick guide, release notes, about kubuntu
[08:32] <froud> user guide, install guide, quick guide, release notes, about kubuntu
[08:32] <uniq> that's the list.
[08:32] <froud> snap
[08:32] <uniq> :)
[08:32] <froud> user guide, quick guide, release notes, about kubuntu
[08:32] <froud> good
[08:32] <uniq> ok.
[08:32] <uniq> install guide goes on the cd. not in the package.
[08:33] <uniq> do that :)
[08:33] <froud> yep
[09:06] <hunger> Much happening with kubuntu recently! nice, guys.
[09:17] <uniq> riddell: we should consider signing the kubuntu.org packages somehow. lots of people are questioning the issue.
[10:34] <froud> uniq: i probably should not out the pdf in build/kde/kubuntu-install/C right?
[10:35] <uniq> well. why not?
[10:39] <froud> uniq: if I do it will be packaged won't it?
[10:39] <uniq> no.
[10:39] <uniq> not if you make it it's own makefile target.
[10:40] <froud> Hmm true, OK payload is 570.5 KB :-) as PDF
[10:40] <uniq> nice. then space isn't a reason for not including it on the cd :)
[10:41] <froud> consider it is not complete so this may change
[10:42] <uniq> sure. but it won't grow to 50M :)
[10:42] <froud> no, not chance :-)
[10:43] <froud> but we should also remove the instal images once we have a PDF
[10:43] <froud> that will reduce the size of the package
[10:44] <froud> as you can see, the docs are designed to reuse images
[10:44] <froud> so all images get cp to images/
[10:44] <froud> including the ones from the install guide
[10:45] <froud> there is an image list file so we can easily id the files and remove them
[10:45] <uniq> i've seen it, it's great.
[10:46] <froud> do you want to be able to build the pdf
[10:46] <uniq> would be nice to have a target in the makefile.
[10:46] <froud> svn up
[10:47] <froud> but it wont work without a toolchain setup
[10:47] <uniq> can the packages needed easily be apt-get'ed?
[10:47] <froud> you need java, apache fop, saxon
[10:47] <froud> this is my classpath
[10:47] <froud> echo $CLASSPATH
[10:47] <froud> :/usr/java/saxon-6.5.3/saxon.jar:/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/extensions/saxon651.jar:/usr/java/fop-0.20.5/build/fop.jar:/usr/java/fop-0.20.5/lib/batik.jar:/usr/java/fop-0.20.5/lib/xalan-2.4.1.jar:/usr/java/fop-0.20.5/lib/xercesImpl-2.2.1.jar:/usr/java/fop-0.20.5/lib/JimiProClasses.jar:/usr/java/fop-0.20.5/lib/avalon-framework-cvs-20020806.jar
[10:48] <uniq> ah.. ok.. then it's not "possible" to automate it..
[10:48] <uniq> for a package.. that is.
[10:48] <froud> Oh and JimiProClasses.jar must be downloaded from sun
[10:49] <froud> no there is no easy install
[10:49] <froud> :-(
[10:50] <froud> I think you can apt-get sunjava
[10:50] <uniq> not on all architectures.
[10:50] <uniq> i'm on powerpc and i can only get ibm java 1.4..
[10:51] <froud> geeze I wish k/ubuntu has proper java integration
[10:59] <froud> pdf of Kubuntu Install guide now available from http://www.lnix.net/~froud/
[11:03] <uniq> great.
[11:18] <uniq> and i have a .deb ready.
[11:18] <uniq> kubuntu-docs_0.1-0_all.deb :)
[11:36] <uniq> froud: for the .desktop files in /usr/share/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/kubuntu - please leave out the Name[cc] = if they are blank.
[11:36] <uniq> users with that languagesetup will get blank names in khelpcenter :)
[11:38] <uniq> same goes for .directory
[11:41] <hunger> Would it be possible to have both kde and gnome use /usr/share/backgrounds for their wallpapers? (or usr/share/wallpapers, whatever, just have them store their backgrounds in the same place, please.)
[11:46] <uniq> where are gnome storing their wallpapers?
[11:46] <hunger> uniq: Gnome uses /usr/share/backgrounds.
[11:46] <uniq> ok.
[11:47] <hunger> uniq: And Installs only one (in two versions). KDE installs dozends.
[11:47] <hunger> OK, of to bed I go... see you tomorrow.
[11:50] <froud> uniq: ok off th ephone
[11:51] <froud> [23:29]  <uniq> froud: for the .desktop files in /usr/share/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/kubuntu - please leave out the Name[cc] = if they are blank.
[11:51] <froud> I think th eppl at i18n must translate those
[11:52] <froud> uniq: you want me to delete them in the interim?
[11:52] <froud> [23:12]  <uniq> and i have a .deb ready.
[11:52] <froud> [23:12]  <uniq> kubuntu-docs_0.1-0_all.deb :)
[11:52] <froud> uniq: can you give me the dir or a patch
[11:53] <uniq> sure. i'll tar the dir for you.
[11:53] <froud> ok you have my email
[11:53] <uniq> i want you to delete the lines with blank description.
[11:54] <froud> sure np
[11:57] <froud> uniq: svn commit -m * delete untranslated names aboutkubuntu.desktop kquickguide.desktop kreleasenotes.desktop kuserguide.desktop
[11:57] <uniq> dont forget .directory
[11:58] <froud> svn commit -m * delete untranslated names kubuntu/.directory
[11:58] <froud> all done :-)
[12:01] <froud> ok I am calling it a night
[12:01] <froud> uniq:  I will get the tar in the morning
[12:01] <uniq> give it 2 mins and you get the dir and the makefile.
[12:01] <froud> ok
[12:03] <uniq> ok, uploaded to http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/kubuntu-docs/
[12:04] <uniq> there, now you can go to sleep :)
[12:05] <froud> thanks


[13:10] <andi5> hi... i am trying to use glassfish on ubuntu gutsy, being a java ee newbie, but it does not seem to start up... is this the correct place to ask?  .... -> http://pastebin.ca/raw/832646


[09:23] <Tumie> boredandblogging: the song at the beginning of ubuntupodcast #14 is awesome! i've downloaded it :D
[14:12] <boredandblogging> Tumie: :-) glad you like it
[14:13] <tyche> GAD!  Now boredandblogging is "selling" songs.  Hee hee
[14:17] <boredandblogging> heh
[14:19] <tyche> Man, that middle entry in ITB comes off sounding like a Linux basher.
[14:20] <boredandblogging> tyche: the IBM one?
[14:20] <tyche> The article is written by a guy that knows little or nothing about Linux, only installs it once every 2 years or so to see where it's gotten to, and feels that people would still have to run Windows apps.
[14:21] <tyche> Yep.  http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/brianmadden/archive/2008/12/05/ibm-launches-ubuntu-based-vdi-solution.aspx
[14:21] <boredandblogging> feel free to drop it
[14:21] <boredandblogging> there are plenty of people who have written on the topic
[14:22] <tyche> I wondered about that.  But then I got to thinking that maybe showing him as an "unlettered" and biased reviewer would be better.  It lets people see what is being said AGAINST Linux.
[14:23] <tyche> In a sense, it shows that the UWN is not just another  "rah-rah" publication.
[14:23] <boredandblogging> :-)
[14:23] <tyche> I tried to handle it delicately.
[14:26] <tyche> boredandblogging: in ION, there are 2 entries listed under the heading "tv".  Should I pull the heading and use the ones from the articles?
[14:30] <boredandblogging> tyche: yes
[14:31] <tyche> kk. Thanks
[14:55] <tyche> boredandblogging: BTW, there is still a moderator request pending in the ubuntu-news-team mailing list.
[15:05] <boredandblogging> tyche: you have mail
[15:06] <tyche> kk.  Got it.  I take it you want me to handle the "small stuff".  Hee hee
[15:08] <Tumie> boredandblogging: it's in my music map... 1 file in my music map now XD
[20:40] <Tumie> tyche: is UWN already finished??
[20:42] <tyche> As far as I know, it's done.  johnc4510-laptop just has to do a fast run-through then release it.
[21:05] <Tumie> johnc4510-laptop: when are you finished??
[21:06] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: you can go ahead
[21:06] <Tumie> but it is still work in progress.. and a lot of comments.. etc.
[21:06] <johnc4510-laptop> i haven't added the welcome and in this issue
[21:07] <johnc4510-laptop> i'm not where i can finish right now   sorry
[21:07] <Tumie> ok,, say it when you're finished :)
[21:07] <johnc4510-laptop> k
[21:31] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: you can take it now
[21:35] <Tumie> thanks :D
[21:36] <johnc4510-laptop> np
[21:38] <Tumie> johnc4510-laptop: are you the other guy of ubuntu podcast?? john chase is his name right??
[21:38] <johnc4510-laptop> not i
[21:39] <johnc4510-laptop> not sure about his name right off
[21:39] <Tumie> ok,,,
[21:39] <Tumie> i'm going to sleep..
[21:39] <Tumie> bye bye all :)
[21:40] <johnc4510-laptop> Tumie: it's josh chase
[21:40] <johnc4510-laptop> not john
[21:40] <Tumie> thanks :p
[21:42] <Tumie> boredandblogging: the other ubuntu podcast guy,, looks like the guy from mythbusters :P
[21:46] <johnc4510-laptop> lol that's boredandblogging
[23:16] <johnc4510-laptop> new UWN is out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue120