[04:39] <ubuntulov> Hi i would like to install the ubuntu on my android mobile
[04:39] <ubuntulov> my mobile model is micromax QA4501
[04:39] <ubuntulov> is it possible ?
[04:41] <ubuntulov> Can any one able to provide me suggession on this
[06:54] <jalal> Hi there
[06:59] <jalal> help
[11:37] <mardy> zbenjamin, zsombi: hi! Looks like I cannot access the network from inside the LXD container created by the SDK. Any idea how to debug it? There are no tools like ifconfig, route, etc.
[11:59] <zbenjamin> mardy: we will upload new images next week. If you want to fix it:  lxc stop <container> , then use chroot to log into the container, which should give you a working apt
[12:01] <zbenjamin> mardy: probably need to copy /etc/resolv.conf as well from the host
[12:32] <mardy> zbenjamin: thanks!
[12:38] <mardy> zbenjamin: I already created http://askubuntu.com/questions/831915/cannot-access-network-from-lxd-container-created-by-the-ubuntu-sdk a few minutes ago, in case you want to win some easy points :-)
[12:38] <zbenjamin> mardy: did you fix the container already?
[13:03] <mardy> zbenjamin: trying now
[13:06] <mardy> zbenjamin: how do I find the chroot?
[13:06] <zbenjamin> mardy: /var/lib/lxd/containers/<container>/rootfs
[13:09] <mardy> zbenjamin: yes, chroot works, and no need to copy the resolv.conf file
[13:09] <zbenjamin> mardy: nice :)
[13:09] <mardy> zbenjamin: thanks a lot!
[13:10] <zbenjamin> mardy: but that works only for fixing it :). You will not be able to use it like that for compiling
[13:10] <zbenjamin> mardy: sorry for the broken images but our release process is still a bit bumpy
[13:14] <mardy> zbenjamin: a bit unrelated question... the thing I'm building used the xxd command during the build process
[13:14] <mardy> zbenjamin: in the image, do I have to install th armhf version, or the host one?
[13:15] <zbenjamin> mardy: what is it doing?
[13:15] <mardy> zbenjamin: compiling image files into .c files, it's only used during the build process
[13:15] <zbenjamin> mardy: ok so it does not create a binary thats supposed to run on the target device?
[13:16] <mardy> zbenjamin: no
[13:16] <zbenjamin> mardy: in that case its easy and you just install the host one.
[13:16] <mardy> zbenjamin: thought so, but wanted to double-check, thanks!
[13:16] <zbenjamin> mardy: otherwise you'd need a version that runs on x86 but produces armhf binaries
[14:03] <mardy> zbenjamin: did some progress, now I get an error when linking: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23260233/
[14:03] <mardy> zbenjamin: my understanding is that it fails because the chosen linker is gcc and not g++, but I might be wrong
[14:04] <mardy> zbenjamin: the undefined symbol is "new", which is in libstdc++.so
[14:13] <mardy> zbenjamin: got it, the CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER was set to /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc; I changed it to s/gcc/g++/, and it worked
[14:14] <mardy> zbenjamin: but I didn't explicitly set it in my project, so I wonder if it's an error in the SDK
[15:20] <mardy> zbenjamin: do you know if we have any click apps using SDL2 in the store?
[15:33] <DanChapman> mardy https://uappexplorer.com/app/balls.briketa uses SDL2
[17:56] <aeoril> I do not see a version port of Ubuntu for the Surface 3.  Is there anyone working on such a thing?
[18:30] <NeKit> aeoril, you should be able to install desktop Ubuntu on it
[18:31] <aeoril> NeKit I tried 16.04 but it would not boot - should I use a later version?
[18:32] <NeKit> well, try searching Linux install instructions for it
[18:32] <NeKit> it should have plenty
[18:32] <aeoril> NeKit: I read something from earlier this month that they were just now going to start putting driver support for the Surface 3 touch screen into the kernel
[18:33] <aeoril> ok
[19:11] <mardy> DanChapman: thanks!
[20:04] <tartare> "sudo mount server:/export /mountpoint" crashes my updated aquaris m10. Is this expexted behaviour?
[20:08] <tartare> What I am actually after is if it is possible to use autofs on the device...


[00:46] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: ping
[06:50] <jon8> Hey guys.. I'm really sorry to ask this but it doesnt seem anyone knows in #ubuntu -- Is there a website available that tells me when new packages come available for Maverick? I know obviously, sudo apt-get update .. sudo apt-get upgrade -- but i'm kind of looking for more a web based thing ..
[06:50] <jon8> And maybe a reason why the new package was made available. I'm interesting everyday into learning more about linux and I think this would help me out a lot as to why things are updated and when the updates are actually made available.
[06:51] <jon8> I 100% realize this is a developer channel and not a help channel, so thats exactly why i'm coming here in hopes of more of a direct answer.
[06:51] <ulysses> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/maverick-changes
[06:52] <jon8> see, this is what i'm talking about. :)
[06:52] <jon8> Thank you ulysses!
[06:52] <ulysses> you're welcome
[06:52] <jon8> Are there anythings you can think of www based? even if its not as "live" as that list..
[06:57] <jon8> oh
[06:57] <jon8> i just realized i was in #kubuntu-devel
[06:57] <jon8> i'm sorry guys :)
[07:12]  * valorie tightens up some of the sentences in the PiratePad
[08:18] <phononlogger> ulysses: congrats on l10n oversupremelordship
[08:19] <ulysses> phononlogger: thanks
[10:59] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: ping
[11:20] <al> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/568 - "Qt apps on Ubuntu"
[12:33] <saidinesh5> hi guys, does anybody have any idea about the ubuntu freeculture showcase?
[12:34] <droidslayer> nigelb: ^^
[12:49] <nigelb> arg
[12:49] <nigelb> just missed him
[12:49] <nigelb> droidslayer: for future, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase
[12:50] <droidslayer> nigelb: hes coming back in 5 mins :-)
[12:50] <droidslayer> Will pass him the link tho...  thanks :-)
[12:52] <nigelb> droidslayer: great, ok :)
[12:52] <droidslayer> nigelb: that's old :-)
[12:52] <droidslayer> No new date?
[12:53] <saidinesh5> hi... got disconnected
[12:53] <droidslayer> nigelb: ^^
[12:55] <nigelb> saidinesh5: hi
[12:55] <nigelb> saidinesh5: what are you looking for?
[12:55] <saidinesh5> hi :)
[12:55] <nigelb> droidslayer: yeah, they have to announce it soon
[12:56] <saidinesh5> well i m looking for the current status of ubntu free culture showcase
[12:56] <saidinesh5> the webpage still shows stuff for 10.10
[12:56] <nigelb> saidinesh5: yeah, that means the new one is not yet announced
[12:57] <nigelb> keep looking at the design blog and you'll see the announcement
[12:57] <saidinesh5> ohh ok
[12:57] <saidinesh5> http://design.canonical.com/ ??
[12:58] <shadeslayer> yep
[12:58] <saidinesh5> thanks :)
[12:59] <nigelb> yeah, that one
[12:59] <saidinesh5> thanks :)
[12:59] <shadeslayer> al: yabQt? :P
[13:00] <saidinesh5> ??
[13:01] <nigelb> shadeslayer: oh, the best person to talk to would be vish.  Isn't he in the design team?
[13:02] <shadeslayer> nigelb: iirc no ....he is in the papercuts project
[13:02] <shadeslayer> saidinesh5: yet another blog about Qt
[13:02] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:02] <nigelb> shadeslayer: well, he blogs on the design team blog, so he should know
[13:03] <shadeslayer> oh didnt know that ... so id say yeah, vish would be the best person to ask :)
[13:03] <shadeslayer> nigelb: i did suggest your name and vish as well :P
[13:03] <shadeslayer> vish isnt around
[13:04] <shadeslayer> so ... Kubuntu CS's contain glib
[13:04] <shadeslayer> s/CS's/CD's
[13:04] <shadeslayer> Ubuntu CD's will now libqt4 :>
[13:04] <shadeslayer> now were even
[13:04] <shadeslayer> *will now contain
[13:20] <jussi> shadeslayer: natty+1 no?
[13:20] <shadeslayer> jussi: uh .. i thought natty
[13:21] <jussi> shadeslayer: reading comprehension suffering today?
[13:21] <shadeslayer> gah
[13:21] <shadeslayer> jussi: missed the first line i guess :P
[13:22] <jussi> :D
[13:22]  * shadeslayer just got back from college
[14:32] <ScottK> al: Nice blog post, wasn't it.  There's also a Qt implementation of their Unity interface.
[14:33] <jjesse> in regards to mark's post?
[14:33] <shadeslayer> i do hate IRC .... you cant hear the tone of people when they say stuff
[14:33] <shadeslayer> jjesse: yeah
[14:33] <ScottK> jjesse: Yes.
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: pong
[14:59] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: I subscribed you to some bugs for sponsorship. Hope that you're OK with that. ; ))
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> yeah that's fine
[15:00] <ari-tczew> cool
[15:52] <yofel> hm, if we already use rekonq by default - shouldn't that have a higher x-www-browser priority than konqueror?
[15:53] <yofel> shadeslayer: ^
[15:59] <shadeslayer> yofel: it should
[16:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: what does : keditfiletype text/html say?
[16:02] <shadeslayer> interesting
[16:03] <yofel> shadeslayer: this http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/ht.png, I don't have it as default though
[16:03] <yofel> alternatives show this though http://paste.ubuntu.com/555439/
[16:03] <shadeslayer> yofel: you have too many browsers :P
[16:03] <yofel> shadeslayer: most of them aren't even browsers :P
[16:03] <shadeslayer> rekonq is belo AbiWord
[16:03] <shadeslayer> :O
[16:03] <shadeslayer> *below
[16:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: your right
[16:04] <shadeslayer> somehow it slipped
[16:04] <shadeslayer> probably needs fixing in meta kde?
[16:05] <yofel> nope, rekonq.postinst
[16:06] <shadeslayer> oh hmm
[16:09] <shadeslayer> agateau_: around? need your opinion on a HIG issue
[16:09] <shadeslayer> sigh [Whois] agateau_ is away: "Probably gone for quite some time"
[16:33] <al> ScottK, yes, sounds like gtk3 should better try not to suck if it wants to stay
[16:33] <ScottK> ;-)
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> Haha, found this in the comments of a Brazillian blog about Muon:
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> "PokéMuon?"
[18:05] <shadeslayer> rofl
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> Oh, and:
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> "Even KDE being forgotten by Canonical, is still better than any other distribution focused on KDE."
[18:35] <CIA-39> [dragonplayer] sitter * 1215430 * branches/KDE/4.6/kdemultimedia/dragonplayer/src/app/audioView.cpp deactivate the analyzer for 4.6.0 as it does not work all that well with all/most Phonon backends CCMAIL<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:40] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: Thank you for sponsoring. It's priceless!
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> you're welcome
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> thanks for the contributions to Ubuntuj
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> -j
[18:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: when your free : http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/100323/
[18:47] <shadeslayer> id like you to comment on that
[18:57] <apachelogger> ohnoes
[18:57] <apachelogger> include looks shit
[18:57] <apachelogger> surely there is something wrong there
[18:57] <apachelogger> especially that it is stuck to qtwebkit includes
[18:57] <apachelogger> well
[18:57] <apachelogger> I am on a meet0ring all day
[19:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you not see the hard coded URL's and my "No API" comment? :(
[19:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: if i see more workarounds, i shall leave rekonq and work on pyth0rn
[19:02] <shadeslayer> too much regex, too many workarounds ...
[19:02] <shadeslayer> ksleep
[19:02] <shadeslayer> cya
[19:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: gnite
[19:03] <apachelogger> pyth0rn
[19:04] <apachelogger> pyth0rn originally was a workaround for java
[19:04] <apachelogger> eventually it grew and became a workaround for the workaround
[19:12] <shadeslayer> /usr/bin/ktorrent: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/ktshutdownplugin.so: undefined symbol: _ZN5Solid7Control12PowerManager23supportedSuspendMethodsEv << nice
[19:14] <shadeslayer> something is messed up
[19:14]  * shadeslayer will look tomorrow
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> yay for apps depending on non-stable libraries
[19:14] <yofel> probably rebuild it
[19:15] <shadeslayer> will look tomorrow
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> any opinions on the new "installed" emblem? http://i.imgur.com/JRpcA.png
[19:50] <apachelogger> looks like an alien
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> I also made the "supported package" emblem a bit larger: http://i.imgur.com/ZI5vB.png
[19:57] <yofel> it looks odd that one symbols is at the bottom right and one at the bottom left of the icon though
[19:57] <yofel> *symbol
[19:57] <yofel> er wait
[19:57] <yofel> nvm
[20:06] <DarkwingDuck> How stable is teh Alpha1 right now?
[20:08] <yofel> current natty works pretty well, no idea if the daily installer works  though, so installing alpha1 and upgrade if you have the intention of installing it
[20:09] <jjesse> running natty in my vm w/o problems
[20:09] <jjesse> and my netbook
[20:09] <jjesse> i really like how natty prompted me when i connected my netbook to my projector
[20:09] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I was going to update my lappy in a few.
[20:09] <DarkwingDuck> Sweet
[20:11] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: you gonna be around today?
[20:15] <jjesse> umm yeah probablly after 8pm eastern
[20:15] <jjesse> we have running group from 6pm to 7pm followed by dinner and bed time for my son
[20:23] <DarkwingDuck> kk
[20:36] <neversfelde> ha
[20:36] <neversfelde> my problems with pbuilder are related to the pbuilderrc from the ninja build environment
[20:37] <neversfelde> seems not to work with natty anymore
[20:38] <yofel> try sudo -E, sudo will now use HOME=/root by default not catching your own pbuilderrc without -E
[20:38] <neversfelde> yofel: already did
[20:38] <yofel> hm... my pbuilderrc works fine using that
[20:40] <neversfelde> yofel: and you gave me this advice a few days ago. This is why I experimented with different pbuilderrcs today and figured it out
[20:40] <yofel> ah
[20:40] <neversfelde> yofel: please paste me your pbuilderrc
[20:41] <yofel> I'm using this http://paste.ubuntu.com/555541/ together with the ninja hooks
[20:41] <neversfelde> yofel: thanks
[20:42] <neversfelde> yofel: I use it from here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[20:42] <neversfelde> there are some differences
[20:43] <yofel> yeah, I put mine together using pieces from many others
[20:44] <neversfelde> I'll test
[20:44] <neversfelde> thanks yofel
[20:44] <yofel> np
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> you know, this git stuff is kinda convenient
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> now if only sshaskpass and pinentry were working in natty...
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> most interesting: http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2011/01/release-announcements-zeitgeist-0-7-and-libqzeitgeist-0-1/


[08:42] <cnf> morning
[17:39] <Budgie^Smore> o/ juju world
[17:43] <rick_h> party
[17:43] <jrwren> Budgie^Smore: is your nick at all related to the desktop by that name?
[17:44] <Budgie^Smore> jrwren not that i am aware of, this has been my IRC nick since 97
[17:45] <jrwren> Budgie^Smore: ok, just curious.
[17:46] <Budgie^Smore> jrwren no worries :) now you have me curious... budgie has been my nick since elementary
[17:48] <jac_cplane> what irc channel can I use to get help with charm command
[17:50] <rick_h> jac_cplane: you can ask here. A lot of folks on holiday today so kind of quiet
[17:50] <jac_cplane> understood. thanks
[17:50] <cholcombe> rick_h: i deployed a reactive subordinate charm onto a ceph-mon xenial box and it seems to be using python2.  is that expected behavior?  the ceph-mon charm is not reactive
[17:51] <jac_cplane> ok - so I am part of a charm group ~cplane-team
[17:51] <jac_cplane> we have charms published in the charm store
[17:51] <rick_h> cholcombe: not sure. I would think that the reactive subordinate would carry it's own python version with it as a dep, but I've not tried it so not sure.
[17:51] <cholcombe> rick_h: ok
[17:51] <jac_cplane> but when I issue "charm list" I recieve a message that says "No charms found"
[17:53] <rick_h> jac_cplane: k, so it only checks for your username ootb and you need to specify the -u flag for others like https://pastebin.canonical.com/185983/
[17:54] <rick_h> jac_cplane: and as long as you have permissions you should be able to push to those charms with the correct charmstore urls e.g. cs:~cplane-team/trusty/cplane-controller and such
[17:55] <jac_cplane> Yes - I can push just fine.   but cannot list.  so I was just wondering if there was a problem with my account.  btw - I cannot access pastbin
[17:55] <rick_h> jac_cplane: oh my bad
[17:55] <rick_h> jac_cplane: try http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381761/
[17:56] <jac_cplane> @rick_h thanks.  !
[17:57] <rick_h> jac_cplane: np, let me know if that doesn't help you do what you're looking for.
[17:57] <rick_h> any juju folks, please check out and share along my latest "using juju for good stuff" blog post http://mitechie.com/blog/2017/4/12/three-reasons-you-need-to-keep-a-vpn-in-your-pocket ty!
[18:06] <Budgie^Smore> rick_h did I miss reason #1 in that link? I see the setup and reason #2 and #3 but ...
[18:06] <rick_h> Budgie^Smore: well the setup is kind of reason one (private connection)
[18:07] <rick_h> Budgie^Smore: I didn't call it out like that so it was sneaky and unclear :P
[18:07] <Budgie^Smore> rick_h that is what I thought ... but I have learned a long time ago not to assume anything
[18:09] <Budgie^Smore> rick_h oh I hate people who suggest remapping port 22! security by obscurity isn't security!
[18:09] <rick_h> Budgie^Smore: :)
[18:09] <rick_h> Budgie^Smore: but I get it all the time. "You shouldn't run ssh on port 22..." bug in today's world of transient machines kind of a pita
[18:09] <Budgie^Smore> rick_h you could add a bounce on how to setup your cloud instance fw to block traffic from all IPs but your vpn
[18:11] <Budgie^Smore> rick_h as I have helped run 30% of the world's web traffic, I dare anyone to tell me that and not get laughed out of the room... 250k servers / 2.4k+ data centers / 100+ countries, I know what I am talking about :)
[18:11] <rick_h> Budgie^Smore: :)
[18:28] <jac_cplane> when specifying a charm in a bundle, is it necessary to specify the version of the charm -0, -1 ?   will it alway take the latest if no version is specified
[18:32] <rick_h> jac_cplane: the bundle will grab the latest stable released version if no version is specified
[18:33] <jac_cplane> awesome - thanks rick
[18:33] <rick_h> jac_cplane: the version can be encouraged to make sure the deploy is exactly what you expect if you're doing testing/repeatable deploys, but if it's just a general solution and gets tested before charms are updated should be just fine w/o a version number


[04:44] <TheSheep> troy_s: http://www.idlewords.com/2005/04/dabblers_and_blowhards.htm
[04:44] <TheSheep> :D
[05:09] <troy_s> TheSheep: Amen
[05:12] <TheSheep> lol
[05:13] <TheSheep> troy_s: I found some interesting ideas and comments about user interfaces: http://haiku-os.org/glass_elevator/rfc/ui
[05:40] <ra21vi> nothlit: there?
[05:40] <nothlit> ra21vi: yeah?
[05:41] <ra21vi> nothlit: so whats development so far? anything decided over the project
[05:42] <nothlit> ROFL: Painters apply colored goo to cloth using animal hairs tied to a stick.
[05:43] <nothlit> ra21vi: hmm see the mailing list :) we've decided to start with key words
[05:48] <ra21vi> nothlit: didnt answer to me/
[05:53] <nothlit> ra21vi: huh?
[05:56] <troy_s> ra21vi: Trying to give everyone a chance to weigh in.
[05:56] <ra21vi> troy_s: what do you mean?
[05:58] <ra21vi> troy_s: actually, I never gave time to improve my English language, so communication goes worst when someone try to say things not directly, but bend and enriched with more ideas
[05:59] <ra21vi> I was asking if you people decided over something
[06:00] <ra21vi> bro, I should tell you something...
[06:00] <TheSheep> nothlit: otoh the comments about programming and getting laid are false -- I had girls asking for "programming lessons" form queues...
[06:00] <ra21vi> There are many theme...
[06:01] <TheSheep> nothlit: but maybe it's worse with lISP
[06:01] <ra21vi> many people gave time designing something better.. but Individually...
[06:01] <ra21vi> so, never go that way.. one person thinks better, but when he listens to mass, he knows what actually is in world...
[06:02] <troy_s> ra21vi: I don't quite understand
[06:02] <troy_s> ra21vi: are you saying
[06:02] <troy_s> ra21vi: One person is better than many
[06:02] <troy_s> ra21vi: Or many people are better than one?
[06:02] <ra21vi> troy_s: just opposite?
[06:03] <ra21vi> many are better thn one if working with idea sharing
[06:03] <troy_s> ra21vi: I agree 100%
[06:03] <troy_s> ra21vi: That is the nature of Free Software as well.
[06:03] <troy_s> ra21vi: What is your native language
[06:03] <troy_s> ?
[06:04] <ra21vi> troy_s: hindi.. but officially English
[06:04] <troy_s> ra21vi: The language barrier is probably the most difficult to overcome.
[06:04] <ra21vi> hmm
[06:04] <troy_s> ra21vi: Hopefully everyone can figure out methods.
[06:04] <ra21vi> troy_s: no bro, I was talking something else.. last day you stuck to one things, and I left
[06:05] <troy_s> ra21vi: Yes.  It happens.
[06:05] <troy_s> ra21vi: You can blame TheSheep
[06:05] <troy_s> lol
[06:05] <TheSheep> sorry
[06:05] <ra21vi> TheSheep, why.. I blame to myself too
[06:05] <ra21vi> I was unable to say what actually was in mind
[06:06] <troy_s> ra21vi: You will probably get better as you stay around.
[06:07] <ra21vi> Fedora guys are working on some new icon and themes. i read somewhere
[06:08] <TheSheep> ra21vi: Oxygen?
[06:09] <ra21vi> TheSheep: hhmm, let em check it
[06:23] <ra21vi> hey, about icon work, ..
[06:24] <ra21vi> do you like the emblems so big?
[06:24] <TheSheep> ra21vi: how big?
[06:27] <ra21vi> TheSheep: that is common, and default in Ubunut and all other distros
[06:27] <TheSheep> about half the size of the icon itself, right?
[06:28] <ra21vi> TheSheep: letme make a visual example in Inkscape and load it to show.. just rough mockup
[06:28] <TheSheep> ra21vi: mine are this big and I like them: http://sheep.art.pl/shot.png
[06:35] <ra21vi> TheSheep: which terminal font you using? Its clear
[06:36] <TheSheep> ra21vi: Terminus, the best fornt for terminal ever
[06:38] <ra21vi> ok
[06:38] <ra21vi> TheSheep: thunar file manager is better than nautilus, i think.. developers though didnt made many features, but made something good..
[06:38] <ra21vi> Like in Nautilus, the default emblems are on top...
[06:39] <TheSheep> ra21vi: I think it's configurable in Nautilus
[06:40] <TheSheep> ra21vi: the Thunar developers didn't provide options, they made decissions instead -- and usually good ones
[06:41] <TheSheep> in the end, good design is all about making decissions
[06:43] <ra21vi> TheSheep: not configurable at users end, but it can be at developers end
[06:44] <TheSheep> ra21vi: I thought there is an option in gconf for that
[06:44] <TheSheep> ra21vi: can't check for sure, gnome is long gone from this box
[06:48] <ra21vi> TheSheep: Oxygen is a KDE icon project... not Fedora
[06:50] <TheSheep> ra21vi: I thought Fedora uses KDE for the desktop by default?
[06:51] <TheSheep> ra21vi: so, you mean Echo?
[06:51] <TheSheep> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment
[06:54] <ra21vi> yeah, its echo icon theme
[06:56] <TheSheep> doesn't look very consistent
[07:02] <ra21vi> apart from some sets, its really not good...
[07:02] <ra21vi> TheSheep: you are right..
[07:04] <ra21vi> TheSheep: i think, if we have a theme which imitates paper, than it would be good... and simple
[07:05] <TheSheep> ra21vi: could be interesting -- have all the icons just a sketched drawings
[07:05] <ra21vi> TheSheep: nah,, i was taking about GTK+ theme, not icons
[07:05] <TheSheep> ra21vi: well, gtk theme would be mostly all white...
[07:06] <ra21vi> TheSheep: I remember there is some icon theme, looks like sketched... but doesnt seems better
[07:06] <TheSheep> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=44539&file1=44539-1.jpg&file2=44539-2.jpg&file3=&name=buuf+icon+theme <-- I *love* this one
[07:08] <TheSheep> unfortuanatelly it's not so good when the icons are smaller
[07:08] <ra21vi> TheSheep: yeah, mostly white.. its not my idea.. just taking from OSx
[07:09] <ra21vi> my idea is. Desktop is a table, and you work with the papers.. so interface would be paper
[07:09] <TheSheep> ra21vi: actually a lot of themes go into that direction recently
[07:09] <ra21vi> TheSheep: like
[07:09] <TheSheep> ra21vi: removing lines and edges, removing 3d bevels
[07:09] <TheSheep> ra21vi: murrine for example
[07:10] <TheSheep> ra21vi: industrial too, to some extent
[07:11] <ra21vi> yeah... flat background with white.. (I fear it may be straining to eyes)
[07:12] <ra21vi> ok see here.. http://ra21vi.googlepages.com/Screenshot.png , its about the default emblems in Ubuntu
[07:13] <TheSheep> ra21vi: a little big, indeed
[07:13] <TheSheep> ra21vi: have you tried to lookfor an option for that with gconf-editor ?
[07:13] <ra21vi> in nautilus there is no such, afaik
[07:13] <ra21vi> i searched
[07:13] <TheSheep> ra21vi: note that they seem big on the directories, but not so bad on the files
[07:14] <ra21vi> just, if we make smaller emblems package in icon theme, it would be better
[07:14] <TheSheep> ra21vi: maybe the problem is with the directory icon being small in the human theme?
[07:15] <ra21vi> http://www.randelshofer.ch/quaqua/images/quaqua_metalworks.png
[07:15] <ra21vi> look at it.. the theme resembles paper
[07:16] <TheSheep> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/MilkyGreen%28Beryl%29+and+MurrinaWhite?content=56047
[07:16] <TheSheep> (ignore window decorations)
[07:18] <ra21vi> a little
[07:18] <ra21vi> Though, paper UI will look much better with shadow, which isnt default in Gnome... beryk compiz still to get stable
[07:19] <ra21vi> but paper look much better i think.. look at here at web interface
[07:19] <ra21vi> http://kreattibe.googlepages.com/home.html
[07:20] <TheSheep> ra21vi: the main problem is that to make that work you need gradients and shadows
[07:20] <TheSheep> ra21vi: especially shadows
[07:21] <TheSheep> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/FAF?content=54721  <-- hehe
[07:22] <ra21vi> TheSheep: shadows, yeah.. otherwise it wont make the object edges
[07:23] <ra21vi> the FAF is good, lol
[07:24] <TheSheep> ra21vi: except for bad spacing and too high contrast
[07:25] <ra21vi> TheSheep: regarding the paper thing i was talking... it only meant for the background.. not all theme widgets in theme..
[07:27] <ra21vi> Widgets when not in 3d wont look good
[07:30] <nothlit> lies!
[07:30] <nothlit> scribble blocked buttons :P
[07:31] <TheSheep> ra21vi: you don't like the widgets on my screenshot? :)
[07:32] <TheSheep> http://sheep.art.pl/shot.png
[07:32] <ra21vi> TheSheep: which one
[07:32] <TheSheep> note the buttons in thunar's "location bar"
[07:32] <TheSheep> flat
[07:33] <ra21vi> its good
[07:33] <TheSheep> I think the "3d effect" is just an artifact of the requirement to distinguish "active" controls and is easily replaced with prelight
[07:36] <TheSheep> the fashion is doing a full circle and returns to GEM-like buttons
[07:40] <nothlit> ugh
[04:31] <troy_s> TheSheep: 3D does more than that.
[04:31] <troy_s> TheSheep: I believe the basic idea behind it is that it is interactive.
[04:31] <troy_s> TheSheep: Compare it to the shite outlined buttons in Clear/everything
[05:41] <troy_s> greets elkbuntu How goes uds?
[05:41] <elkbuntu> troy_s, awesome. spain is a damn weird country though
[05:45] <troy_s> the BoFs done for the first day?
[05:45] <troy_s> elkbuntu: How many folks at that one?
[05:45] <elkbuntu> troy_s, last one currently on
[05:45] <elkbuntu> dunno how many people are here today
[05:46] <troy_s> elkbuntu: How many BoFs are you going to attend?
[05:47] <elkbuntu> troy_s, i think i'm signed to 4 specs, but no idea how many BoFs that will involve
[05:49] <troy_s> elkbuntu: Did Scuttlebutt give a decent opening speech?
[05:51] <elkbuntu> troy_s, he didnt land until 10
[05:51] <elkbuntu> troy_s, so he missed doing one this morning, but i'm guessing he'll make up for it tomorrow morning
[10:43] <troy_s> nothlit: Any progress?
[10:43] <troy_s> nothlit: How much time left in the poll?
[10:54] <nothlit> Nothing new on the mailing list or forums--prolly about a day--launchpad isn't giving me hours and i'm not sure of the timezone of gmail, etc
[10:55] <nothlit> btw have you ever heard of the Munsell Color Wheel? i never read anything about it before I peeked into pastel forums
[11:03] <nothlit> troy_s: this is neat http://lisalichtenfels.net/pages/technique.html
[11:04] <troy_s> nothlit: Reminds me of those pickled old people heads from about 190
[11:05] <troy_s> 1980
[11:09] <nothlit> i can't believe people can do that with fabric :o
[11:35] <yharrow> hey guys


[04:36] <cali_> hello
[04:36] <cali_> anyonre still awake?
[04:37] <Bashing-om> cali_: Ask your support question, anyway :D
[04:37] <cali_> lol
[04:39] <aimatme> It is mid afternoon here, so yes still awake.
[04:39] <cali_> hope tyhis appropiriat, i didnt come to waste your time hmbly and respectfully teying to find out the best way to install proton vpn...ive used the graphical vpn from proton (paid )  so
[04:39] <cali_> im resding some people suugest to set it up thr.ovpn files
[04:40] <cali_> whats the differnce, im not even sure how to wiord the question to get good results from google?
[04:41] <cali_> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ProtonVPN
[04:41] <cali_> besides the memory footprint is there a differnce in performance or security?
[04:42] <cali_> i dont understand why someone chooses one or the other besides gui?
[04:43] <aimatme> cali: probably native support for VPN's configured with the OS' network controller.
[04:44] <aimatme> I don't know how Proton VPN client works though.
[04:44] <aimatme> I assume you've tried following the Proton VPN documentation? https://protonvpn.com/support/linux-ubuntu-vpn-setup/
[04:46] <cali_> yes and ive succesfully set it up downloading and installing the .deb file
[04:46] <aimatme> I wouldn't worry about it unless you have specific issues with it.
[04:47] <cali_>  using OpenVPN files to set up thru terminal, do i get performance boost or better stabilty /security
[04:47] <cali_> at all in any way shappe or form?
[04:48] <aimatme> Highly unlikely unless the app is garbage.
[04:48] <cali_> im not extremliy worried , just thought it would be cool to lesrn something new amd if theres perks to it
[04:48] <cali_> it wasnt very good on debian bullseye
[04:49] <aimatme> Looks like Proton have a "how to" on manual setup on linux.
[04:49] <aimatme> https://protonvpn.com/support/linux-openvpn/
[04:50] <cali_> yes they do, sorry if i wasnt clear  the only questions i couldnt find clear and decisive answers on was just the differnces and y or y not use one method as opposed to the other
[04:51] <cali_> i need to get better at searching
[04:51] <aimatme> Ohh, yeah I see. If you had stability issues with the app, or compatibility issues is why you'd use the manual setup. It's also way easier to automate.
[04:52] <cali_> automate-meaning i could set it up to start at boot? i cn do that thru the proton app i believe
[04:53] <cali_> thank you for your time by the way  its greatly appreciated
[04:54] <aimatme> no worries. No easier to automate deploying to many workstations.
[04:54] <cali_> i see
[04:54] <cali_> ok that doesnt pertain to me lol
[04:55] <cali_> thank you again for your time  i promise it wasnt wasted
[04:55] <aimatme> No worries.
[04:55] <cali_> cheers
[05:48] <aalekh> msg nishit hiii
[08:39] <addiks> Hi, does anybody know how to add folders to the sidebar in nemo? Dragging the folder over the sidebar just moves the folder into the folder that the mose (in the sidebar) is over. Also there is no global menu and there is no option to move into sidebar in the context menu of the folder.
[08:44] <geirha> addiks: in nautilus, when you drag a folder to the sidebar, one of the entries in the sidebar changes to "New Bookmark", and if you drop it on top of that, it gets added to the sidebar as a bookmark. I haven't tried Nemo, but it's apparently based on Nautilus
[08:46] <addiks> qeirha: Looks like my nemo installation is broken somehow. Apparently the shortcur Ctrl+D is supposed to add bookmarks, but on my system that does nothing. I have now just edited the ~/.config/gtk-3.0/bookmarks file by hand. That at least worked.
[08:46] <addiks> Thanks anyway :-)
[08:47] <knstn> Chrome doesn't play sound. I have this problem since 20.04. I upgraded to 22.04, I re-installed Chrome but I have the same issue. For example with Google Meet, only the video is working. I have a laptop with built-in camera and mic. If I plug a USB camera, sound works.... Any hints will be appreciated.
[08:57] <knstn> The built-in mic is working. It is working with Slack for example.
[09:07] <geirha> knstn: One thing I'd try is logging in with the guest user (or create a new user to test with) and try there. That ensures you get a fresh instance of chrome. Could be there are some settings saying to not allow using that mic for this and that site
[09:12] <knstn> I don't know... It's my work laptop. I don't use Ubuntu on my desktop. I will try what you suggested.
[09:25] <ravage> knstn: do other applications have sound? and your usb camera has speakers?
[09:26] <ravage> or what do you mean by "sound works"`
[09:27] <knstn> Yes. Every other application is using the built-in mic. No problems. If I plug a USB camera with built-in mic, it works as well. It also works with Chrome.
[09:27] <knstn> Only the laptop's built-in mic when used on Chrome doesn't work.
[09:35] <ravage> my first suggestion is to try chromium
[09:35] <ravage> it comes with Ubuntu and is a supported browser
[09:36] <ravage> also install the package "pavucontrol". it lets you see details about your sound devices
[09:37] <ravage> maybe something is just muted or the volume is too low
[09:43] <deepSleep> I was doing a release-upgrade over ssh and I lost the connection, I need to input some responses.  How can i get that session back?  I was passed to it when the upgrade started
[09:44] <ravage> i think it runs in screen
[09:44] <ravage> is there a running screen session?
[09:44] <deepSleep> yes!
[09:44] <deepSleep> thank you
[10:06] <windowsHater> hi there
[10:34] <masber> hi, I have chrome installed on my laptop, I did the installation some time ago, now chrome complains it needs to be updated, however when I click the update button on the top right corner it says it can't update, also I tried downloading the .dev file but it can't install it, it just extract the files
[10:34] <masber> so what should I do about this?
[10:34] <masber> does this means chrome was installed outside snap?
[10:35] <windowsHater> are you using ubuntu?
[10:35] <windowsHater> because it seems you didn't really downloaded the .deb, or even i think you just downloaded the .zip
[10:35] <masber> ubuntu yes
[10:35] <EriC^^> masber: does it say why it cant be updated?
[10:36] <masber> yes im using ubuntu
[10:36] <geirha> if you installed it via the deb, it adds a google app repo which will include updates
[10:36] <masber> yes im downloading the deb file form the chrome website
[10:36] <geirha> *google apt repo
[10:37] <masber> I dont remember how I got it installed int he first place
[10:37] <masber> :(
[10:37] <windowsHater> what about doing apt update and then upgrade
[10:37] <masber> let me check apt update and apt upgrade
[10:39] <geirha> if it is installed via the deb,    apt policy google-chrome-stable    should output some info
[10:39] <masber> geirha, correct https://dpaste.org/qw6tU/raw
[10:40] <windowsHater> that paste seems incomplete
[10:40] <masber> it is all it shows
[10:40] <masber> I double checked
[10:40] <geirha> masber: looks like the apt repo is no longer there. Have you upgraded the OS release since installing chrome?
[10:41] <masber> yes I did updated ubuntu
[10:41] <geirha> right, the release upgrade will disable all third-party repos, so that's why then
[10:41] <masber> ah, ok
[10:42] <geirha> Should just be a matter or re-enabling it. Look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[10:44] <masber> I hav enothing related with google or chrome under `/etc/apt/sources.list.d/`
[10:49] <masber> ok, I installed the gogole chrome repos and it now seems ok
[10:49] <masber> thx!
[11:34] <KIRIESHKA> https://admin.com
[12:01] <KIRIESHKA> An offer was received in private in DC++ to give admin jess
[12:02] <KIRIESHKA> The offer will be reviewed
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> this is the ubuntu support channel KIRIESHKA
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> only ubuntu questions here please
[12:03] <KIRIESHKA> and accepted
[12:04] <KIRIESHKA> okidoki
[12:12] <KIRIESHKA> http://asm.org
[12:12] <KIRIESHKA> ухты ёпты
[12:13] <KIRIESHKA> опять вы пидаразы попали
[12:13] <KIRIESHKA> wery straje
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> !guidelines | KIRIESHKA
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> stop it please KIRIESHKA
[12:14] <elias_a> !ops
[12:15] <KIRIESHKA> no
[12:15] <KIRIESHKA> jess
[12:22] <deepSleep> I just upgraded from 16 to 20, and now have unment dependencies for chromium-browser.  I've tried --fix-broken, but it throws an error that it cant mount squashfs to install the necessary update.  Is there some other way to fix the program, or someway to remove it from the system?  Apt wont let me do anything
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:00] <jhutchins> deepSleep: WHere does squashfs come into the picture?
[13:08] <deepSleep> jhutchins, i think its needed during the upgrade of the chromium-browser package
[13:08] <deepSleep> its with snapd
[13:08] <jhutchins> deepSleep: All bets are off with snap.  Sounds like a bad package.
[13:09] <deepSleep> "Installing the chromium snap" and "error: system does not fully support snapd: cannot mount squashfs image using
[13:09] <deepSleep>        "squashfs": mount: /tmp/syscheck-mountpoint-277614031: mount failed:
[13:09] <deepSleep>        Operation not permitted."
[13:09] <deepSleep> woops didnt mean to spam
[13:09] <deepSleep> jhutchins, right.  I cant even remove.  Quite annoying because its on a server where the only thing i can do is format back to 16. then gotta go through the setups agian
[13:11] <jhutchins> deepSleep: backups.
[13:11] <leftyfb> deepSleep: first, please use the correct version numbers. We're going to assume you're referring to 16.04 and 20.04. Second, in 20.04, which kernel are you running?
[13:11] <jhutchins> 16 to 20 seems like a big jump.
[13:11] <deepSleep> jhutchins, its a clean install, no data lost, just upgrading a server that only has the choice of 16.04 as an OS
[13:12] <deepSleep> I'm trying to set up npm and yarn, but on 16.04 I can't get the versions I need working
[13:12] <leftyfb> deepSleep: there's probably a reason for that. It sounds like it's a VPS a shared and outdated kernel
[13:12] <deepSleep> leftyfb, 4.4.0 kernel
[13:13] <leftyfb> bingo
[13:13] <leftyfb> deepSleep: this is a VPS?
[13:13] <deepSleep> it is
[13:13] <leftyfb> deepSleep: you'll need to contact your provider for support with acquiring a 20.04 VPS
[13:13] <deepSleep> leftyfb, I suppose I can just dockerize everything?
[13:14] <leftyfb> unlikely in this case
[13:14] <deepSleep> damn
[13:14] <leftyfb> get a VPS with a modern kernel
[13:14] <deepSleep> ok
[13:15] <weedmic> How do I know if an icon theme requires some other icon theme to be installed first?  For example, I picked "crystal theme", but nothing changed on my desktop (although icons did change inside the application launcher).  All the other themes change dekstop icons, some not all of them
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> weedmic: some icon themes might not change all your icons to new ones
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> !themes | weedmic see also
[13:26] <weedmic> dank jullie voor dat
[13:35] <santosh> I don't see any audio input and output settings. How do I restore my system? I have already described my issue here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1464875/audio-settings-not-visible-in-kubuntu-disappeared-cant-listen-speak
[13:41] <santosh> Hello?
[13:41] <jhutchins> santosh: Sometimes you need to ad an audio mixer to the (taskbar).  There might be a mixer in the menu.
[13:42] <dostoyevsky2> Does ubuntu officially support arm?  I wonder how much work the ubuntu touch people have put into it, getting packages working on arm
[13:43] <jhutchins> !arm
[13:44] <santosh> jhutchins: 1. The sound sliders on the taskbar comes with stock ubuntu. I wonder how it vanished. 2. If you see the edit 3 of the link I posted, I still don't have any audio.
[13:45] <arraybolt3> dostoyevsky2: Yes, Ubuntu officially supports the ARM architecture. Note that many ARM-based computers use non-standardized system architectures, so it's usually harder to get an arbitrary ARM system to run than to get an arbitrary amd64 system to run.
[13:45] <arraybolt3> (The Raspberry Pi is, for example, an ARM based computer, and there are official Ubuntu images for it.)
[13:49] <santosh> jhutchins inside pulseaudio volume control, I can only see dummy output, no actual output device.
[13:49] <santosh> Could this be a problem with drivers?
[13:49] <karthy> is this your first time installing ubuntu?
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> !who | karthy
[13:50] <dostoyevsky2> arraybolt3: But isn't it like: There are like 3 different ARM dialects and then you can have extensions on those.  So if you e.g. have a arm64 compiler you might be able to run code even on apple silicon, but you will not be able to use apple's extensions
[13:50] <karthy> they guy above me santosh
[13:50] <jhutchins> karthy: May I suggest that you just watch the channel for a bit, see how things go here?
[13:52] <karthy> i guess i gotta lurk
[13:54] <jhutchins> !botsnack
[13:55] <jhutchins> santosh: Have you tried the alsamixer?
[13:59] <santosh> jhutchins: yes, and here are the settings: https://i.imgur.com/hqv5H9h.png
[14:01] <santosh> jhutchins, I still don't hear any sound output + obs studio can't detect any activity in sound inputs
[14:02] <jhutchins> santosh: I don't really have any ideas, I run XFCE.
[14:02] <jhutchins> santosh: Do you get any output from the alsa test?
[14:03] <santosh> jhutchins, how to do an alsa test?
[14:03] <jhutchins> santosh: 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again)  2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available)  3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped?  4) speakers on?  5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?
[14:04] <jhutchins> The solution used to reliably be just purge pulseaudio, but that's no longer the case.
[14:08] <santosh> jhutchins, I was not in the audio group. I added, I am going to logout and log back in. Will get back to you after following those steps.
[14:48] <zibby15> What should I pay attention to when setting permanent ulimit in ubuntu?
[14:51] <Bacta> When does Ucuntu Masturbating Monkey get released?
[14:51] <leftyfb> !op | Bacta
[14:52] <Bacta> Some of those names look familiar from my Freenode days. Can they answer my question?
[14:53] <leftyfb> Bacta: leave
[14:53] <Bacta> Why?
[14:54] <leftyfb> trolling if offtopic here. Take it elsewhere
[14:54] <Bacta> I thought this was an LGBTQ+ safe space
[15:06] <RaimondRaj> please anyone help me what was the error on this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Q8CqQj369N/
[15:09] <tekisui> hello
[15:10] <tekisui> how do i setup tearfree with xorg ?
[15:10] <tekisui> the nvidia server doesn´t work well
[15:10] <tekisui> lubuntu 18.04 was fine
[15:10] <jhutchins> RaimondRaj: Easiest fix is to remove/comment out ppa.launchpadcontent.net
[15:10] <jo-erlend> RaimondRaj: looks like you have added a PPA that doesn't have support for your version of Ubuntu.
[15:11] <RaimondRaj> remove/comment out ppa.launchpadcontent.net || how do i
[15:15] <RaimondRaj> E: The repository 'https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/gwendal-lebihan-dev/hexchat-stable/ubuntu jammy Release' does not have a Release file.
[15:15] <jo-erlend> RaimondRaj; sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:gwendal-lebihan-dev/hexchat-stable
[15:16] <jo-erlend> RaimondRaj, then sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[15:17] <tekisui> still a mess
[15:18] <tekisui> i tried: Section "Device"
[15:18] <tekisui>     Identifier "modesetting"
[15:18] <tekisui>     Driver "modesetting"
[15:18] <tekisui>     Option "TearFree" "True"
[15:18] <tekisui> EndSection
[15:18] <tekisui> in xorg.conf at etc/x11
[15:18] <leftyfb> !paste | tekisui
[15:23] <RaimondRaj> thanks alot jo-erlend
[15:23] <tekisui> hello ?
[15:23] <tekisui> sorry..
[15:23] <jo-erlend> RaimondRaj; you're welcome.
[15:23] <tekisui> am trying to fix tearfree
[15:24] <tekisui> 18.04 was fine
[15:30] <jhutchins> tekisui: What release are you on now?  What drivers is it using?  Are you running Xorg, or is it actually Wayland?  Is this the standard gnome desktop, or something else?
[15:31] <tekisui> lubuntu 20.04
[15:31] <tekisui> it says xorg
[15:31] <jhutchins> "tearfree" sounds like "nosmoke".  That would be a Windows binary...
[15:31] <tekisui> i used tearfree before, cause the video doesn´t seem right
[15:31] <tekisui> well not i got an nvidia graphic card
[15:31] <tekisui> now*
[15:32] <tekisui> but since the update i only get 800x600 screen size
[15:32] <tekisui> xorg seems to be good
[15:32] <tekisui> but the screen ¨laggs¨
[15:35] <tekisui> am going rabote
[15:35] <tekisui> cross fingers
[15:50] <militantorc> I found a thunar bug/"bug"
[15:52] <tekisui> well that broke it
[15:52] <leftyfb> !bug | militantorc
[15:54] <militantorc> I am not sure it even is a bug or not which is why I would like to talk about it here a bit first if you on't mind
[15:54] <militantorc> leftyfb
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> can you explain whats happening exactly militantorc
[15:55] <militantorc> yes, one minute please
[15:56] <militantorc> do touch 1 2 3 4 5 6 7; observe the sequence on thunar if you sort by modification
[15:56] <militantorc> then do  touch 7 5 3 4 1 2 6
[15:56] <militantorc> wait there is another aspect to it
[15:56] <militantorc> let me just test that out too
[15:57] <jo-erlend> militantorc, perhaps you should write it up on Reddit or something and post the link?
[15:57] <oerheks> or wait for #linux answers?
[15:57] <militantorc> in fact rm it all; touch 1 2 3 4 5 6 7; and see the thunar window; then rm ; touch 7 6 5 4 3 2 1; and see again
[15:57] <militantorc> both show same sequence in thunar
[15:58] <militantorc> viz the reverse alphabetic sequence
[15:58] <militantorc> when I had sort by descending time selected
[15:59] <militantorc> i even mixed up some letter name files
[15:59] <militantorc> same result
[15:59] <leftyfb> militantorc: what distro/version are you running?
[16:00] <militantorc> you can also see in one command: touch 1 d 2 b 3 c 4 a
[16:00] <militantorc> thunar 1.8.14 on xubuntu 20.04 lts
[16:01] <militantorc> same thing also happens on the older 18.04 machine
[16:01] <militantorc> let me just try another file manager and see
[16:01] <rfm> militantorc, if I do "touch 1 2 3 4" then "stat 1 2 3 4" I see the mtimes are equal down to the nanosecond (surprising, but there it is)
[16:01] <militantorc> yes but funny experiment again rfm
[16:01] <militantorc> do ls -t
[16:02] <militantorc> sorry
[16:02] <militantorc> ls -lt
[16:02] <militantorc> and then do ls -lt --full-time
[16:02] <militantorc> then do ls -t again
[16:02] <militantorc> you'll see something funny
[16:02] <leftyfb> !enter | militantorc
[16:02] <militantorc> ls -lt ; ls -lt --full-time ; ls -lt
[16:02] <militantorc> try this sequence next
[16:03] <rfm> militantorc, what do you see that's "funny"?
[16:04] <militantorc> so I think, the "bug" is that time resolution is too low so its just disambiguating with alphabetic order when timestamps feel equal within its resolution bounds?
[16:04] <militantorc> rfm, the higher resolution with ls --full-time -lt shows a different sequence sometimes
[16:04] <militantorc> and after its invocation
[16:04] <militantorc> even ls -lt shows the same (changed) sequence
[16:05] <militantorc> do you think, the "bug" is that time resolution is too low so its just disambiguating with alphabetic order when timestamps feel equal within its resolution bounds?
[16:05] <militantorc> when I manually insert 1s pauses it shows the correct sequence
[16:05] <militantorc> ie touch 1; sleep 1; touch 2; ...
[16:07] <militantorc> after I interleaved 1s pauses in between the individual touches
[16:07] <militantorc> it shows the correct sequence
[16:07] <oerheks> so, you pressed to fast?
[16:07] <oerheks> solved
[16:07] <militantorc> and to verify my theory. I did touch *; which again presses too fast; and it shows the alphabetic disambiguation again. just another test left.
[16:08] <militantorc> so I touched with sleeps and after that, again i even did touch different_non_alpha_sequence and it again shows alphabetic order.
[16:09] <militantorc> so basically my understanding is, when the timestamps are too close/equal
[16:09] <militantorc> thunar just disambiguates using alphabetic order
[16:09] <militantorc> tats it
[16:09] <militantorc> problem solved
[16:10] <militantorc> The lesson is that you should sleep enough after touching
[16:10] <militantorc> or use the manual timestamp option in touch command to set a sequence of ascending times in correct order
[16:11] <militantorc> rfm, I think I managed to find the root cause. Read my discussion above.
[16:11] <militantorc> Always sleep and touch
[16:11] <militantorc> or manually touch times
[16:43] <bahamat> What exactly is nodejs-mozilla, and how is it different from nodejs?
[16:48] <oerheks> nodejs-mozilla might use different implementations of JavaScript and may not support all of the features that Node.js uses for chrome
[16:48] <leftyfb> looks like it's not even available in the recent versions of ubuntu
[16:49] <bahamat> oerheks: Both packages say they use "Chrome's JavaScript runtime".
[16:50] <bahamat> leftyfb: Fine, but hopefully not terribly unobvious that i'm not using the latest.
[16:51] <bahamat> 18.04 is still a supported LTS, so you can't just expect people to always be running the latest of everything all the time.
[16:51] <leftyfb> bahamat: 18.04 will be End of Life in a month.
[16:51] <bahamat> But it's not *today*.
[16:52] <bahamat> I didn't say I'm using 18.04. But it is still supported.
[17:08] <greatgatsby> Hi.  On an ubuntu 22.04 system, the /var/lib/dpkg/lock file seems to always exist and is always empty regardless of whether or not there's a dpkg process.  How is that lock file supposed to work?
[17:09] <bahamat> if it exists, there's a running apt process.
[17:14] <greatgatsby> that's not the behavior I see on any of the 3 machines I've tested on:  https://bpa.st/5HA4G
[17:15] <leftyfb> greatgatsby: is something broken?
[17:17] <greatgatsby> I guess that's possible, but these are 3 completely unrelated machines
[17:19] <greatgatsby> so neither of you have that file currently, while there is no apt/dpkg process running?
[17:20] <greatgatsby> I'm surprised I could have an ARM device and 2 VMs all behaving the same, when that's not the correct behaviour, and they aren't on the same network on managed the same at all
[17:25] <leftyfb> greatgatsby: the empty file exists all the time from what I can tell
[17:25] <leftyfb> greatgatsby: I'm just curious why this matters though
[17:27] <greatgatsby> why what matters?  I'm trying to determine if apt/dpkg has a lock before rebooting a machine.  Was going to check the contents/existence of that file, but I can't seem to get any behaviour that indicates something actually has the dpkg lock
[17:34] <ravage> it is totally notmal for that empty file to exist
[17:40] <jhutchins> In linux flags are files?
[17:40] <paul424> Helllo, hello who could help , I need to configure my snapcrafy.yaml file to work properly on core20 -- focal ( Ubuntu 20.*). Problem is I keep getting errors of python library not found . How the development libraries are called under Ubuntu ?
[17:40] <paul424> libpython3.11-dev ?
[17:41] <leftyfb> paul424: maybe try asking in #snappy
[17:46] <greatgatsby> sorry, had to reboot/reconfig after my apt tests
[17:58] <tomreyn> greatgatsby: sudo fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock    should tell whether there's a running dpkg process with a lock
[18:00] <ViatonWidz[m]> greatgatsby: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg/FAQ Read the first question.
[18:01] <greatgatsby> tomreyn, ViatonWidz[m] - thanks a lot, this is great info
[18:05] <burger> hi I have snap installed and noticed its in my user path but not root is there a preferred way to correct this other than adding to PATH manually?
[18:13] <leftyfb> burger: what snap are you trying to run as root?
[18:13] <burger> nextcloud
[18:14] <leftyfb> burger: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-nextcloud-on-ubuntu-20-04
[18:15] <leftyfb> burger: you shouldn't need to manually run it as root
[18:15] <burger> leftyfb step 2 uses sudo
[18:16] <leftyfb> burger: ok, what error do you get when you run the command in step 2?
[18:16] <burger> sudo: nextcloud.manual-install: command not found
[18:17] <burger> when I run sudo env | grep ^PATH snap's paths are missing
[18:17] <leftyfb> reboot
[18:17] <burger> did
[18:18] <burger> will reboot again though
[18:18] <leftyfb> burger: https://github.com/nextcloud-snap/nextcloud-snap/issues/584#issuecomment-759202294
[18:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 584 in nextcloud-snap/nextcloud-snap "Nextcloud is not installed - only a limited number of commands are available" [Closed]
[18:20] <burger> thats a different issue. the commands are there I just cant run them as sudo because /snap isnt in $PATH
[18:21] <leftyfb> burger: did you try the command in the link I gave you?
[18:22] <burger> "nextcloud.manual-install sammy password" this one?
[18:22] <leftyfb> https://github.com/nextcloud-snap/nextcloud-snap/issues/584#issuecomment-759202294
[18:22] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 584 in nextcloud-snap/nextcloud-snap "Nextcloud is not installed - only a limited number of commands are available" [Closed]
[18:22] <burger> Try snap run nextcloud.manual-install ***** ********. Run this as root or append sudo .
[18:22] <leftyfb> correct, try that
[18:31] <burger> https://pastebin.com/gYhvRsDp leftyfb
[18:34] <leftyfb> burger: not sure why you're showing me a command that we both know won't work and hasn't been suggested
[18:34] <burger> I apologize I kept reading over "snap run"
[18:35]  * burger has a case of the pebcaks
[18:41] <burger> same issues persists
[18:41] <burger> appended sudo
[18:42] <leftyfb> prepend
[18:42] <leftyfb> not sure how you would append sudo to a command
[18:42] <burger> !! is prepend?
[18:43] <leftyfb> burger: snap run sudo nextcloud.manual-install
[18:43] <leftyfb> try that
[18:43] <leftyfb> burger: or: sudo snap run nextcloud.manual-install
[18:43] <burger> I got it ty leftyfb sorry for being a lil...challanged
[18:43] <leftyfb> well, you need to add the install commands at the end
[19:58] <Psil0[m]12> Is Gatsby back,
[19:58] <Psil0[m]12> I see you.
[20:00] <matrixy> kaboom!!!!!!!!!!
[20:00] <matrixy> :D
[20:03] <luna__> Hello to the "thank you for helping me" group.
[20:05] <matrixy> just trying to jump start the room... sorry
[20:06] <morgan-2204> What I would like is to demonstrate to "Specturm, the ISP" tht my internet speed or even availability is not consistent. First I have to see that for myself.  Is there an "app" that will do this for me?
[20:06] <morgan-2204> matrixy, np.  I am really grateful for this channel.
[20:07] <matrixy> if your internet speed isnt consistent you could try to unplug both the router and modem for like 10 minutes
[20:09] <morgan-2204> PLUS my notifications for discord sit in the upper righthand corner and block things. Do I have a choice for location of the fleeting-too-fast-to-read banners, that come in waves?
[20:09] <matrixy> worked on my router anyways. i was trying just unplug like 20 seconds but i left it unplugged for a while then it started working again
[20:09] <matrixy> my router used to cut in and out
[20:10] <morgan-2204> Yes. did that, got a anew router. Tech reported hefound loose connections inside and ourside. -- matrixy I want to be sure that is what is happening.
[20:11] <morgan-2204> I am using mate which "used to announce disconnections. But that might have been in the gnome DE. I could switch Desktops.
[20:13] <matrixy> bad wires will cause inconsistency
[20:13] <morgan-2204> I waanted a strength meter. I have an iphone that lages only on the things that require internet - like clicking on a link. Not like "home swipe to see the homescreen/desktop on the phone.
[20:13] <morgan-2204> matrixy, yes, they did and supposedly al is good now.
[20:14] <matrixy> the tech support is probably right. they will have to redo your wiring
[20:14] <morgan-2204> after this conversation with you is done I will unplug both the modem and rounter and give it a  -- wow why 10 minutes?
[20:15] <morgan-2204> What happens after 2 minutes?
[20:15] <matrixy> idk just try it
[20:15] <morgan-2204> The tech support did not say they hae to redo my wiring. The tech who was physically here said he tightened up the connections.
[20:16] <morgan-2204> So you dont know what happens after 2 mins. Sure I will try it but I want to ask in #hardware first.
[20:17] <morgan-2204> Sorry, it is so important for me to be clear.
[20:18] <leftyfb> morgan-2204: in order to properly test your internet in a way that your ISP would accept as comparable to their tests is to plug a Windows laptop or desktop directly into the modem they supply. No router inbetween. There really aren't any tools in ubuntu that track these sorts of things other than maybe running speedtest periodically and outputting to a csv or database and graphing the data. But again, ISP's all run screaming when you mention linux.
[20:19] <leftyfb> morgan-2204: as for the time it takes to properly powercycle electronics, the extra time is to give capacitors enough time to discharge so there's no remaining electricity powering anything which could result in bad configs/data sticking around
[20:20] <matrixy> yeah capacitors discharge. they fill one plate with electricity then drain the other plate
[20:20] <matrixy> but they need time to discharge
[20:21] <matrixy> routers run old linux they probably get all buggy sometimes
[20:21] <matrixy> you can echo a file onto a router lol
[20:39] <morgan-2204> leftyfb, thanks.  on A and B.  THIS ubuntu installation or an update started showing a small popup "Your internet is disconnected" "Your internett is connected" (paraphrase)
[20:40] <leftyfb> morgan-2204: were you connected via wire or wireless?
[20:41] <morgan-2204> but in the lower left, while when I just unplugged, it showed up in the upper right.  (I am getting curiouser.)
[20:41] <morgan-2204> leftyfb, thanks.  on A and B.  THIS ubuntu installation or an update started showing a small popup "Your internet is disconnected" "Your internett is connected" (paraphrase)
[20:42] <leftyfb> morgan-2204: ok, so wired?
[21:00] <jo-erlend> leftyfb; I really want to get to know you.
[21:00] <leftyfb> jo-erlend: please don't
[21:02] <jo-erlend> leftyfb; If I have offended you by proxy, that is an even better reason for us to get to know each other.
[21:03] <leftyfb> jo-erlend: please stay on topic. This is a support channel. If you'd like to chat with people in the community, feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:51] <jo-erlend> whois lefty
[21:52] <jo-erlend> whois leftyfb
[22:40] <idmbe> in pro status show warning from days until now "The current kernel (5.19.0-40-generic, amd64) is not supported by livepatch." any one have it ?
[22:47] <Jeremy31> idmbe: Using Ubuntu 22.04?
[22:48] <idmbe> Jeremy31: Yes
[22:48] <Jeremy31> idmbe: You might want to switch back to the 5.15 kernels, there are instructions out there
[22:49] <sarnold> idmbe: I don't think any of the 5.19 kernels have livepatch support, look on https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/LSN-0094-1 for a list of kernels that have recently received livepatches
[22:54] <leftyfb> sarnold: interesting though. That's the HWE kernel for the latest LTS
[22:54] <ravage> sarnold: https://ubuntu.com/blog/canonical-livepatch-gets-even-better-now-supporting-hardware-enablement-kernels
[22:55] <leftyfb> I'm confused as to why it wouldn't have already been enabled for the latest LTS kernels
[22:55] <idmbe> i tried before back to 5.15 but it's not work for me, 5.19 much better until now
[22:55] <ravage> i dont think it is enabled for 5.19 yet
[22:56] <leftyfb> ravage: that's the concerning part. Why wouldn't they have livepatch enabled for their latest LTS?
[22:57] <ravage> maybe there was just no patch needed and they will enable it then? i dont know :)
[22:57] <adminrootuuid[m]> admin:///root/randomUUID/home/
[22:57] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: can we help you with something?
[22:58] <ravage> "You can then start using Livepatch on HWE kernels starting from version 6.2, which will first be released as an interim kernel with Lunar Lobster 23.04 in April 2023, and then made available as an HWE kernel on the 22.04 LTS release, Jammy Jellyfish, starting July 2023."
[22:58] <adminrootuuid[m]> Look at the Linux Kernel all the encryption is off and false positive
[22:59] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: huh?
[22:59] <adminrootuuid[m]> Yes
[23:00] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: what do you need help with?
[23:00] <adminrootuuid[m]> Install on HD and look at it from a LIve CD boot
[23:00] <ravage> so we have to wait until July to get our live patches :)
[23:00] <ravage> adminrootuuid[m]: you dont make any sense sorry.
[23:01] <adminrootuuid[m]> With the admin root still usable
[23:03] <adminrootuuid[m]> The Kurnel is substituting security protocols to off and making a false positive
[23:04] <adminrootuuid[m]> Every bite counts and 2 bites change is traceable
[23:04] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: feel free to file a bug with the linux kernel
[23:05] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.10/admin-guide/reporting-bugs.html
[23:05] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: good luck
[23:06] <adminrootuuid[m]> Hashing does not include metadata or dates , your /home/ is a secret UUID
[23:07] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: please stop
[23:07] <adminrootuuid[m]> Ya telling the truth sucks I know
[23:09] <ravage> there is a special social media site for your kind of truth. not here.
[23:10] <adminrootuuid[m]> Then prove me wrong
[23:10] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: file a bug
[23:11] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: this isn't the appropriate place to discuss your issues
[23:11] <adminrootuuid[m]> They have to know or there completely incompetent
[23:11] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: don't assume
[23:12] <adminrootuuid[m]> No it's assumeing that has caused this Fup in the first place,
[23:12] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: go report the bug with the kernel team
[23:13] <adminrootuuid[m]> Its not a bug it's full on spying 100%
[23:14] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: the linux kernel is open source. Go find the code that proves someone is "spying" and file a bug. If you find it, feel free to post it here. Good luck
[23:14] <adminrootuuid[m]> And every system is at risk and not encrypted and if u have the UUID you have full access
[23:15] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: good luck
[23:18] <towser> how do I disable the feature where it disables the touchpad when pressing keys on the keyboard perminantly? in Lubuntu
[23:35] <sarnold> towser: there's probably something like "disable while typing" in a mouse and keyboard control panel somewhere