[01:13] <alienkid10> does this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch still work for making a liveCD?
[01:14] <alienkid10> is there anything I need to change command wise to make it work with Jaunty?
[01:51] <Aqa> i need help on these commands
[01:52] <Aqa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/181658/
[01:52] <Aqa> i need help how to do these commands
[01:52] <Aqa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/181658/
[02:08] <Aqa> i am angry with u all :(
[03:30] <rocko> www.albumoftheday.com/facebook
[03:58] <KoshB5> after doing an update; I've lost my wireless internet. I'm able to connect to the network, just not the internet. any suggestions?
[03:59] <KoshB5> version is Jaunty. System is a Compaq 5441 256M ram, and PCI graphics card
[04:02] <Venport> I all anyone know how to add a keyboard shortcut for the terminal in xubuntu? It's not the same as ubuntu
[04:02] <Venport> !keys
[13:20] <domeec> Hi!
[13:20] <vidd> hello domeec
[13:20] <domeec> Has somebody  managed to install xubuntu on usb 2gb?
[13:23] <domeec> I knew Xubuntu was not so big and people was able to install it on 2gb pen, but me...No can u help me please?
[13:26] <vidd> domeec, sorry...that is outside my experience
[13:26] <knome> domeec, it might be a little tight.
[13:28] <knome> domeec, i have a 4GB eeepc, and i usually end up with only about ~1GB space left
[13:29] <knome> domeec, i suggest to use minimal
[13:29] <knome> !minimal | domeec
[13:32] <domeec> That MinimalCD is for Ubuntu
[13:32] <Pres-Gas> domeec, but you can then select what packages you want from xfce4/xubuntu
[13:33] <domeec> :-)
[13:33] <knome> domeec, xubuntu shares the same base as ubuntu
[13:33] <Pres-Gas> domeec, you will initially start out with a text terminal and no gui, if I remember right.
[13:33] <knome> domeec, minimal cd doesn't install any DE by default, which is the main difference between ubuntu/xubuntu/kubuntu/...
[13:33] <knome> Pres-Gas is right. you have to select to install a graphical environment
[13:34] <domeec> mmh...Gold... not gui? I can see me doing a mess....
[13:34] <knome> nope, just install xfce
[13:34] <domeec> Ok, but were find the instruction to install xfce?
[13:35] <knome> domeec, echo 'apt::Install-Recommends "0" ;' | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01ubuntu
[13:35] <knome> domeec, i suggest you to use that command
[13:35] <knome> domeec, jaunty installs recommends by default, but that disables that feature and you will be left with more space
[13:36] <domeec> That's cool
[13:36] <knome> domeec, then you can try to install xubuntu-desktop package (sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop)
[13:37] <knome> domeec, that *should* fit in 2GB, but if it recommends it uses too much space, then cancel and install xfce4-something
[13:37] <knome> domeec, i suppose just "xfce4"
[13:37] <vidd> domeec, you also might want to consider using a lighter *buntu
[13:37] <vidd> for example, lxde
[13:37] <knome> vidd, i think the lighter *buntus are not that much smaller HD-wise
[13:38] <knome> vidd, if you only install the DE/WM
[13:38] <vidd> the only differences is the final package
[13:38] <vidd> knome, you take out the recommends and there is a big difference in size
[13:40] <vidd> domeec, but...on second thought...without recommends, lxde needs a lot of tweeking to work properly
[13:40] <Pres-Gas> komme, that is a great command for finding just what you need
[13:40] <knome> vidd, yes, but if you take out the recommends, after that there is not difference between lxde and xfce
[13:40]  * Pres-Gas makes note of that
[13:40] <vidd> knome, your insane
[13:41] <knome> vidd, me? ;)
[13:41] <vidd> yes
[13:41] <knome> why? :)
[13:41] <vidd> xfce requires gdm
[13:41] <knome> does not require, if you insist on using something else
[13:41] <knome> that might lead into some problems, but the xfce devs have managed to run xfce correctly without gdm
[13:41] <vidd> lxde requires no DM, so you can use whatever one you want
[13:41] <knome> ;)
[13:42] <knome> i've used xfce without a DM at all also.
[13:43] <vidd> let me rephrase....
[13:43] <vidd> you had said xubuntu-desktop
[13:43] <vidd> that requires gdm
[13:43] <vidd> lxde does not
[13:43] <knome> yeah.
[13:44] <knome> yeah. but gdm is not *that* big.
[13:44] <knome> it'll fit nicely in 2GB
[13:44] <vidd> no...by itself...its rather small
[13:44] <vidd> its the other baggage it brings =]
[13:45] <domeec> Till now I hope having understood something dudes, let try. Thanks...
[13:46] <knome> domeec, np. have fun and good luck.
[13:46] <vidd> it really irks me that rather then take the time to fix packages to require that which they need, the powers that be decided to force recommends upon us
[13:46] <knome> yep.
[13:46] <domeec> I forgot
[13:46] <domeec> As reguards grub?
[13:46] <knome> grub will be installed by minimal
[13:46] <knome> i'd suppose...
[13:47] <domeec> can I choose to put it on usb pen?
[13:47] <knome> uh, yes, i suppose also
[13:47]  * vidd is away
[14:00]  * vidd is back
[14:09] <premorphos> hey. when using skype. i lose loads of packets. resulting in poor sound qualety. is there any settings that wuld fix this.
[14:10] <vidd> premorphos, what speed internet/type of internet you have?
[14:11] <vidd> premorphos, also, is that system connected wirelessly or hard-wired to your router?
[14:11] <premorphos> vidd: speed duno,54 usb wifi
[14:11] <premorphos> prob adsl.
[14:12] <vidd> premorphos, so you wirelessly connect to someone else's internet??
[14:12] <premorphos> works well with everything else
[14:12] <KoshB5> I've installed and updated Jaunty only to loose my wireless internet. I can only connect to the network. I've flushed iptables and used the ifup to no effect.
[14:13] <premorphos> no it is in my office
[14:13] <KoshB5> How do I fix it short of reinstalling?
[14:13] <vidd> premorphos, so you wirelessly connect to your work router?
[14:13] <vidd> KoshB5, can you pastebin me your /etc/network/interfaces ?
[14:13] <premorphos> vidd: i gess so...
[14:13] <vidd> !pastebin
[14:14] <vidd> premorphos, wireless is notorious for losing backets
[14:14] <vidd> normal web apps you dont notice, because they re-request the dropped packets
[14:14] <premorphos> of course.. but same thing happen when i use the tcp cable
[14:14] <vidd> try connecting wired to verify this is not your issue
[14:15] <vidd> premorphos, did you disable the wifi when you plugged in the cable?
[14:16] <premorphos> yes. do you thing it has some thing with alsa todo?
[14:16] <vidd> for some strange reason, linux defers to wifi over wired if both are active
[14:16] <vidd> premorphos, no, i dont hink alsa has anything to do with your issue at all
[14:16] <premorphos> hmm
[14:17] <vidd> i think the issue is that your wifi is dropping packets like all wifi does
[14:17] <vidd> try disabling your wifi, and then connect wire
[14:18] <vidd> verify this by disable wifi, go to a web page (it should fail to load) connected wired, go to web page (it should load)
[14:19] <vidd> then see if you get packet loss on skype
[14:19] <premorphos> vidd, could the issue of me being in turky trying to reach sweden have any thing to do with it?.. "conecting my cable now"
[14:19] <vidd> premorphos, it shouldnt
[14:19] <vidd> premorphos, btw ... marhaba
[14:19] <vidd> =]
[14:20] <vidd> KoshB5, you get your network interfaces pastebin'd for me?
[14:25] <vidd> KoshB5, you there?
[14:26] <vidd> premorphos_, marhaba
[14:29] <vidd> premorphos_, you having any luck?
[14:29] <premorphos_> marhaba vidd abi: now im wired, result: no packet loss, but still verry low output from the mic. it works well under any outer circomstanses but skype.
[14:30] <premorphos_> vidd: are you in turky two?
[14:30] <vidd> premorphos_, i spent a year there
[14:30] <vidd> outside of c,urlu
[14:31] <vidd> =]
[14:31] <premorphos_> sweet.. doing what?
[14:31] <vidd> U.S. Army
[14:31] <premorphos_> im in ankara in writing moment
[14:31] <premorphos_> interesting
[14:31] <DetroitLibertyPe> yesterday I download a progam (Mozilla Songbird, extracted .tar.gz, all necessary files containe, no need to compile) and it ran fine from where I extracted it, today it just won't boot, when I click it thre the file browser I get no action, try to runn from the console and it just goes to the next line # with no action no error and no program starting, I tried rebooting my comp, same thing, deleted it and re-downloaded again on
[14:32] <vidd> DetroitLibertyPe, try installing it
[14:32] <vidd> premorphos_, i dont know a lot about skype....im more of a connection expert
[14:32] <DetroitLibertyPe> vidd: via?
[14:33] <vidd> apt-get i believe
[14:33] <DetroitLibertyPe> Puppy has apt-get
[14:33] <premorphos_> or synaptic
[14:33] <DetroitLibertyPe> oops! room, my bad!
[14:34] <vidd> DetroitLibertyPe, what version of linux you using?
[14:34] <vidd> (songbird does not appear to be in my repo's)
[14:35] <DetroitLibertyPe> well, my PC is Xubunutu, this issue was on my wifes' wich is Puppy Linux, which is why i realized I was in the wrong room and said "oops! room, my bad!"
[14:35] <vidd> DetroitLibertyPe, np
[14:35] <vidd> we help when we can
[14:36] <vidd> im dl'ing the app now....
[14:36] <vidd> where did you extract it to?
[14:36] <premorphos_> ok thanx vidd: i got a free tutorial on tcp meets wifi in clash of packet loss.
[14:36] <vidd> premorphos_, hehe...im not free =]
[14:37] <vidd> im open source
[14:37] <vidd> =]
[14:37] <premorphos_> haha ok. i got it.
[14:49] <premorphos> speaking of open source and xubuntu. how does one rely get involved, and get a deeper understanding of the system xubuntu. any pointers from you pro's is deeply appreciated
[14:51] <TheSheep> premorphos: check out http://xubuntu.org
[14:54] <premorphos> tnx
[14:58] <genii> !contribute
[16:51] <zs> hi there, I have xubuntu 9.04 but there is no vncviewer? what is the name of package?
[16:52] <vidd> zs, the app is vncviewer
[16:52] <vidd> zs, sudo apt-get install vncviewer
[16:52] <Slonkie> Remote Desktop Viewer in network ?
[16:52] <Slonkie> by default it's there?
[16:53] <vidd> Slonkie, is it?
[16:53] <zs> Slonkie, Couldn't find package vncviewer
[16:54] <Slonkie> i recall having it after a clean install of jaunty, yes.
[16:54] <Slonkie> but that's vinagre
[16:55] <Slonkie> I used vinagre to connect to a RealVNC vnc
[16:55] <zs> ok got it working, thanks
[17:01] <FelineMonstrosit> Hi. I'm pretty new to Linux. I'm having a problem copying a file to a USB stick - my computer simply won't let me. I have read&write permissions. I've tried using terminal but I can't get it to move because the directory has a space in it - /media/Bootable Utilities
[17:02] <vidd> FelineMonstrosit, cp /path/to/file /media/Bootable\ Utilities
[17:02] <vidd> or rename the destination folder
[17:02] <FelineMonstrosit> Can't rename it. I'll try what you said.
[17:02] <vidd> =]
[17:04] <FelineMonstrosit> Terminal tells me it's a read-only system. I'm a system admin, could I possibly use a sudo command?
[17:05] <vidd> FelineMonstrosit, you may need to install tools to read/write to the file format on that drive if it is not ext*, fat12, 16, or 32
[17:05] <FelineMonstrosit> sudo command didn't work, for the same reason.
[17:05] <vidd> what file format is that drive?
[17:05] <FelineMonstrosit> I don't know. How do I check?
[17:06] <vidd> can you see the usb drive in your file manager?
[17:07] <FelineMonstrosit> Yes
[17:07] <vidd> can you open files stored on it?
[17:08] <FelineMonstrosit> Yes
[17:12] <vidd> where these files from a windows system?
[17:12] <FelineMonstrosit> No, a Mac
[17:12] <vidd> ok
[17:13] <vidd> what file system does a mac use?!?
[17:13] <FelineMonstrosit> Finder
[17:14] <FelineMonstrosit> That's what it's called, I don't know anything more technical than that
[17:14] <vidd> unfortunantly, neither do i
[17:14] <FelineMonstrosit> Does that mean you can't tell me how to copy files onto it?
[17:15] <vidd> well here is the thing....
[17:16] <vidd> in order to write to a file system, you have to speak the same language
[17:17] <vidd> i dont know if linux, by default, can write to mac file system
[17:17] <vidd> i know you need special tools for NTFS
[17:18] <FelineMonstrosit> OK, thank you
[17:23] <moodog> evening :)
[17:38] <genii> vidd: For linux to understand hfs, read/write to them, packages: hfsplus, hfsutils, and hfsprogs need install. Then also the kernel module the package provides needs to me loaded
[17:38] <genii> *be
[18:46] <vidd> genii, thank you for the enlightenment...but the individual that needed that info left about 20 minutes b4 you stated it =\
[18:46] <vidd> genii, and then...my reply is fasionably late as well =]
[18:47] <genii> vidd: More than for completeness of logs :)
[18:48] <vidd> hehe
[19:21] <spimmer> hi
[19:21] <spimmer> help me
[19:22] <vidd> !help
[19:22] <vidd> spimmer, can you be slightly more specific as to the nature of the issue?
[19:23] <spimmer> xfce + nautilus use
[19:23] <vidd> o.....k.....
[19:23] <spimmer> how to nautilus default
[19:23] <vidd> what about it?
[19:23] <vidd> is nautilus installed?
[19:23] <spimmer> yes
[19:24] <vidd> so open the default apps and set it as the default file manager
[19:24] <spimmer> yes how to
[19:24] <vidd> i dont understand
[19:25] <vidd> open the default apps utility in your settings manager
[19:25] <spimmer> default apps utility ?
[19:25] <spimmer> there?
[19:26] <vidd> did you even BOTHER to look?
[19:26] <xerox1> flash movies cause my firefox to slow down the whole system: cpu usage rises immediately to a really huge value; any suggestions for this?
[19:26] <vidd> applications->Settings->Settings Manager->Prefered appplications
[19:27] <vidd> xerox1, use a different flash-playing utility or upgrade your system
[19:27] <spimmer> there is no contents Terminal, Web Browser, Mail reader only
[19:29] <xerox1> vidd, system is 9.04 (if you thought of software)...hardware should also be fulfiling this (intel centrino, 1gb ram, 128 mb graphical ram (intel on board))
[19:29] <vidd> spimmer, then i dont know...i try to avoid bloatware myself
[19:29] <vidd> xerox1, what app are you using to play the movie?
[19:30] <vidd> spimmer, what pages did your google search turn up? or the search of the forums and wiki?
[19:30] <xerox1> vidd, how can i determine which app is used by firefox? i would like to use vlc plugin if possible
[19:31] <spimmer> yes this issue non
[19:31] <vidd> xerox1, flash does not come pre-installed...so its whatever app you chose to use
[19:31] <vidd> spimmer, surely you jest
[19:32] <xerox1> vidd, if have installed adobe flash player 10
[19:32] <vidd> spimmer, http://www.google.com/search?q=xubuntu+nautilus&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[19:32] <vidd> 10 pages of hits
[19:33] <vidd> spimmer, the VERY FIRST item has step by step instructions
[19:34] <vidd> xerox1, try uninstalling that and get gnash or one of the open source alternatives
[19:34] <vidd> or get LOTS more ram
[19:34] <spimmer> very hard..
[19:35] <vidd> xerox1, personally, i pause the movie, wait for it to completly dl, and then watch it in gxine
[19:35] <vidd> spimmer, how so?
[19:37] <vidd> spimmer, you ever going to use thunar?
[19:38] <xerox1> vidd, yeah but a video that takes half an hour takes me to wait for over an hour having it load (even if i am only interested in the first 5 minutes)
[19:39] <vidd> xerox1, REMOVE THE FLASH PLAYER AND GET A DIFFERENT ONE
[19:40] <xerox1> vidd, thanks for help, but no need for shouting
[19:40] <vidd> spimmer, yes? no?
[19:40] <vidd> xerox1, the caps was in error
[19:40] <vidd> the caps lock is right next to the tab key =]
[19:41] <xerox1> vidd, ;)
[19:41] <spimmer> no
[19:41] <vidd> spimmer, then why not simply uninstall thunar?
[19:42] <spimmer> sftp connect
[19:42] <spimmer> us
[19:42] <spimmer> e
[19:42] <vidd> huh?
[19:43] <spimmer> thunar not conneted sftpd..
[19:44] <vidd> spimmer, what are you doing?
[19:44] <vidd> what does sftpd have to do with "sudo apt-get remove --purge thunar"?
[19:45] <spimmer> yes
[19:46] <vidd> spimmer, how is that even possible to construe as a yes-no question?!?
[19:48] <vidd> spimmer, what is your native language?
[19:49] <spimmer> korean
[19:50] <spimmer> sorry
[19:50] <vidd> !korean | spimmer,
[19:50] <spimmer> thank you!
[19:50] <vidd> they may be more helpful
[19:51] <vidd> the language barrier is killing us
[20:24] <sorend> hey, is there some tip to use the volume control without a scroll-mouse (I have a thinkpad laptop)
[20:24] <vidd> sorend, unfortunantly no......
[20:24] <sorend> vidd: ;(
[20:25] <cody-somerville> You can click on it and it'll open up the mixer
[20:25] <cody-somerville> you might also try using multimedia keys on your keyboard if you have them
[20:25] <Slonkie> sorend you chould add keyboard shortcuts
[20:25] <vidd> the slider bar that was so conviently included in previous versions of xubuntu has been discarded for this worthless "pretty-boy" app
[20:27] <vidd> you cant even get this app above 90% volume without opening the mixer
[20:27] <sorend> hm, the shortcuts is a good idea
[20:27] <sorend> thinkpad keys are supported and there is even some osd for it
[20:29] <sorend> but, what "mixer" does those keys control, it doesn't seem to affect any alsa controlled ;/
[20:30] <vidd> sorend, used to be with the previous volume manager, these keys were auto-enabled...but that functionality was also discarded
[20:30] <Barridus> hi, new to xfce but not to 'buntu.  how can the main menus be edited?
[20:34] <Barridus> halp pls
[20:34] <sorend> vidd: i guess i can just disable that volume control, its not that useful without scroll mouse ;/
[20:35] <sorend> gives me a tiny 64x64 more screen estate :D
[20:37] <Barridus> main applications menu can't be edited?
[20:40] <zoredache> Barridus: not really
[20:42] <Barridus> so if i wanted to manually add something or put it in a new folder, i'm SOL?


[08:33] <kraut> moin
[09:30] <bullgard4> What file contains the algorithm to calculate the 'remaining capacity' in /proc/acpi/bat/BAT0/state?
[10:26] <amitk> bullgard4: that info should come directly from the battery, no? you can try looking at drivers/acpi/battery.c
[10:26] <mjg59> bullgard4: It's in the ACPI spec.
[01:05] <pkern> Bah, yeah deactivating fglrx kernel module gives me suspend and no 3d acceleration, but it also kills off xv.
[02:24] <bdgraue> i think i'm affected by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/121978
[02:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121978 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Unknown symbol in module fcpci.ko" [Medium,Triaged]
[02:24] <bdgraue> http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/15712/
[02:24] <bdgraue> any idea what i can do now?
[02:34] <kraut> wait
[02:34] <kraut> or fix it
[05:48] <bdmurray> Is booting with "vga=XYZ" as a kernel option supported?  What modes should work if so?
[05:51] <zul> bdmurray: i would yes to the first question, and Im not sure for the second question but can use vga=ask and it should tell you which ones are available
[05:52] <rtg> bdmurray: I was messing with vga options while implementing VESA FB as a module. I never did find one that worked, but BenC_was recently testing it.
[05:55] <bdmurray> I've seen more than one bug report where people lose vty1-4 when booting with vga=XYZ
[05:55] <bdmurray> They seem to indicate that it worked with Feisty
[05:55] <kylem> yes, well, maybe they just shouldn't do that then.
[05:56] <bdmurray> Right, I'd just like a definitive answer, maybe with a techincal reason, of don't do that or not.
[05:58] <kylem> what's the bug #?
[05:59] <bdmurray> bug 148759 for example
[05:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148759 in ubuntu "no graphics on console when using vga=791 as a kernel boot option" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148759
[06:01] <bdmurray> I'm looking for the other one that has more subscribers etc
[06:03] <bdmurray> bug 148657 too
[06:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148657 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[regression]  framebuffer resolutions broken " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148657
[06:04] <bdmurray> bug 147606
[06:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147606 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Intelfb completely b0rken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/147606
[06:04] <kylem> what the fuck
[06:04] <kylem> Same here.
[06:04] <kylem> This may be related to problem in Bug 149071.
[06:04] <kylem> Loye Young
[06:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149071 in linux-source-2.6.22 "-server kernel variant fails to boot on PowerEdge 2650 with AACRAID timeouts" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149071
[06:04] <kylem> riight
[06:04] <kylem> there is too much stupidity in the world.
[06:05] <kylem> i should stop being a kernel hacker and become an arms dealer.
[06:05] <kylem> anyone know where i can get weapons grade plutonium?
[06:05] <bdmurray> Eh, I figure that comment is a typo
[06:06] <bdmurray> I know this Doctor Brown who has some plutonium
[06:06] <kylem> no, he probably saw the word "compaq"
[06:10] <bdmurray> Okay, I found it.  bug 129910
[06:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6]  are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129910
[06:13] <bdmurray> So, I'd like to know what to do with those bugs.
[06:13] <kylem> reject them?
[06:16] <timbba> mjg59: I told you yesterday about the wireless keyboard problems after suspend... I didn't create any new bug because I think #120074 is close to my issue
[06:17] <timbba> I have had sometimes problems also with cold reboot that I have to replug the usb receiver
[06:17] <timbba> that is rare.. but still..
[06:18] <timbba> after suspend I have to replug always... And this was working on Edgy with the same receiver but then I had different motherboard
[06:18] <kylem> bdmurray, we fixed it anyway, vesa is a module again
[06:19] <bdmurray> kylem: fixed it for when?
[06:19] <kylem> -whatever got uploaded
[06:19] <bdmurray> durh, I mean will it be fixed in the next kernel?
[06:20] <kylem> yes.
[06:20] <bdmurray> Okay, great.  Incidentally when will that be available?
[06:21] <kylem> someday.
[06:21] <rtg> bdmurray: its in the achive now.
[06:26] <timbba> Does someone know anything about the #120074? I think mjg59 is right now busy..
[06:26] <kylem> i suppose someone needs to fix initramfs-tools or whatever to make /etc/modules right
[06:27] <timbba> I'm just curious to know is there something that can be tried... even though not a real fix for it
[06:30] <timbba> By the way, I tried also to replug the receiver when the computer was in suspended mode... then after waking up, the keyboard/mouse worked
[06:30] <timbba> But the replug is needed always...
[06:34] <mjg59> timbba: No, I'm not convinced that's the same. Please file a new bug.
[06:53] <timbba> ok.. I will fill a new bug...
[07:55] <osmosis> zul: im stuck on brctl so far. not auto-setup.
[07:56] <zul> ok there should be a fix for it this weekend
[08:19] <zul> rtg: ping can we get bug #148854 in?
[08:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148854 in linux-source-2.6.22 "vmalloc occasionally fails on x86_64" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148854
[08:20] <zul> hey BenC
[08:20] <BenC> hey
[08:21] <zul> rtg: 7ac674f52778b95450509357435320be1d795248 in linus's tree
[08:28] <rtg> zul: hmm, all of the great minds like it. I'll get it after lunch.
[08:28] <zul> rtg: ok
[08:46] <superm1> BenC, bdmurray was saying that you are remastering a test ISO with unionfs reverted to an old version.  Can you refer me to the deb you are using to do this?  Or at least the kernel module, and i'll pop it onto a mythbuntu test iso  where we were encountering the issues too?
[08:47] <BenC> superm1: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/
[08:47] <BenC> superm1: there's a .ko file there that can replace the unionfs.ko on the current cd's (-12-generic kernel)
[08:47] <superm1> BenC, i'm assuming that i can't rmmod/modprobe it in the live disk though, i'll have to remaster from scratch, correct?
[08:47] <BenC> superm1: right
[08:48] <superm1> okay i'll see what i can do
[08:48] <BenC> superm1: you may be able to boot a livecd with break=top, use a usb stick to insmod it, and continue on
[08:48] <BenC> but I haven't tested that
[08:48] <BenC> I built the ISO because it's easier for your users to test :)
[08:48] <superm1> BenC, well remastering shouldn't be too much trouble.  our build process is conducive to allowing putting things like this in
[09:15] <Rene> hi
[09:16] <Rene> can someone help me with this problem here please ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/112132
[09:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112132 in linux-source-2.6.20 "failed to set xfer mode error." [Medium,Confirmed]
[09:19] <joebaker> Can we get this turned on by default in the Gutsy release?  "PROVIDE_RTC_INTERRUPT=Y"   Virtualization clients end up with lots of "Missing Interrupt errors" without it filling up logs.
[09:19] <joebaker> I don't know what the impact might be for the average user.
[09:20] <joebaker> Those who recompiled their kernels reported it fixing the problems running virtual machines.
[09:33] <BenC> joebaker: too late for any more changes
[09:34] <BenC> unless the fate of humanity hangs in the balance, the kernel is pretty much set in stone right now :)
[09:34] <superm1> BenC, it still hangs for my remastered disk
[09:34] <BenC> superm1: hangs or oopses?
[09:35] <BenC> booting without quite/splash should show something
[09:35] <superm1> BenC, just a hang.  i've only reproduced the oops once.
[09:35] <BenC> *quiet
[09:35] <superm1> BenC, it hangs when apt starts thrashing (during an install)
[09:35] <BenC> I'm not sure a hang was involved in this problem
[09:35] <superm1> well the deal was similar to one of pitti's bugs.  his oops'ed during the apt trashing
[09:36] <superm1> we've gotten me and one other person to get it to oops right there, but otherwise it is a flat out hang
[09:36] <BenC> hmm
[09:36] <BenC> superm1: are you sure you are using unionfs-1.4?
[09:37] <BenC> superm1: you should make sure that dmesg reports 1.4 as the unionfs version
[09:37] <superm1> you mean 2.1.4
[09:37] <BenC> no, I mean 1.4
[09:37] <joebaker> There is a bug which has requested the PROVIDE_RTC_INTERUPT=Y.   I'm trying to find it.
[09:37] <BenC> joebaker: it wont get turned on for gutsy
[09:37] <superm1> BenC, hm um it indicates "Registering unionfs 2.1.4 (for <IP_ADDRESS>)"
[09:38] <joebaker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kqemu/+bug/82149
[09:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 82149 in kqemu "When using kqemu, rtc: lost some interrupts at 1024Hz." [Undecided,New]
[09:38] <BenC> superm1: did you regen the initrd with the new unionfs.ko in place?
[09:38] <superm1> BenC, oh oops ;)
[09:38] <BenC> superm1: and then copy that initrd to /casper/initrd.gz on the CD filesystem
[09:38] <superm1> just dropped it in place, didn't even think to regenerate the initrd.gz
[09:38] <superm1> i'll remaster another
[09:38] <BenC> yeah, it's using the wrong one then
[09:39] <joebaker> OK thanks for the answer.  I understand the reasons.  I applaud the wonderful rate at which work is getting done.
[09:39] <heno> I've posted a custom entry for tacking the unionfs ISO: https://iso.qa.stgraber.org
[09:42] <BenC> joebaker: thanks, we can work on getting it correct and tested in next release
[09:42] <BenC> heno: great thanks
[09:43] <zul> put some sun tan lotion on then
[09:43] <BenC> going to fetch some cigs and a 12 pack to celebrate the end of the work day
[09:43] <zul> BenC: just dont ride any buses ;)
[09:44] <zul> righ im heading off as well later
[10:15] <stgraber> BenC: anything you want me to do to make sure that unionfs is now working correctly ? I did the two things that usually make it crash (partitionning using ubiquity and aptitude update) and didn't see any unionfs related message in syslog
[10:17] <BenC> stgraber: 1) Make sure you see "unionfs 1.4" in dmesg, and run through a normal install
[10:18] <BenC> stgraber: if that works, then I'm happy
[10:18] <superm1> BenC, yeah i got mine with unionfs 1.4 in dmesg this time around
[10:18] <superm1> doing my install right now
[10:18] <stgraber> BenC: Registering unionfs 1.4, debbuging is not enabled are the only two messages I have in syslog
[10:18] <stgraber> BenC: install goes fine for now (55%)
[10:18] <BenC> stgraber: perfect, then the results are useful
[10:22] <superm1> BenC, made it through the stages that usually mess up for us as well
[10:22] <BenC> superm1: excellent
[10:22] <BenC> nice end to a rough week
[10:23] <stgraber> BenC: install finished, still nothing in syslog. Seems all good
[10:27] <BenC> stgraber, superm1: thanks for the testing
[10:27] <BenC> I'm out of here
[10:27] <superm1> BenC, hopefully this is the end of the troubles with it :)
[11:16] <bdmurray> superm1: Are you registered at the test tracker?
[11:16] <superm1> bdmurray, No
[11:16] <superm1> should I be?
[11:18] <bdmurray> I'm not sure how useful it would be for you as it is for recording tests about Ubuntu / Kubuntu  and Edubuntu
[11:19] <superm1> ah i see
[11:19] <superm1> well eventually we're going to look at becoming canonical sanctioned, but that will be some time
[11:19] <superm1> probably more useful at that point
[11:19] <bdmurray> Yeah, probably.
[11:45] <rtg> BenC, kylem: I pushed Gutsy l-b-m. Have a look and tell me how many packaging rules I've violated.
[11:45] <bdmurray> rtg: Is it too late to get cherry pick bug fixes in?
[11:46] <kylem> ok, have a nice weekend
[11:46] <rtg> bdmurray: I think you'll have to ask BenC.
[11:46] <rtg> for a policy decision, I mean.
[11:46] <BenC> bdmurray: unless they are extremely serious, we're done with kernel for gutsy
[11:47] <rtg> BenC: how about 'vmalloc occasionally fails on x86_64' ?
[11:47] <bdmurray> Okay, that is what I had suspected.
[11:47] <BenC> rtg:     UBUNTU: Exclude xen from ALSA build.
[11:47] <BenC> rtg: why?
[11:47] <rtg> It don't build.
[11:48] <rtg> I didn't dig much deeper then that.
[11:50] <bdmurray> rtg: That's the bug I was looking at
[11:50] <BenC> rtg: fyi, lbm uses the startnewrelease/insertchanges like linux-source
[11:51] <rtg> BenC: I wasn't sure I was done developing. Don't you do that just after uploading?
[11:51] <BenC> rtg: and no need to add alsa to the updates-modules udeb, that's only for the installer (and sound isn't needed for the alternate installs)
[11:51] <BenC> rtg: startnewrelease puts the empty changelog entry in (you've manually added a stanza)
[11:53] <BenC> rtg: wow, alsa is some ugly stuff
[11:54] <rtg> I couldn't build from kernel git because of include file clashes.


[00:03] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I think the problem with issue 14 is timing. I had to add a sleep before jack start after switching everything to dbus calls  :P  but the code looks much nicer.
[00:27] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: WRT issue 8, do you have any ideas about button order or tool tips?
[00:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> [OvenWerks](https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_OvenWerks:matrix.org): I'll have to think about it.
[00:39] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: also wondering if a Loopback device should show up in jack device, extra devices, headphones, etc. Maybe rather than putting them at the end, just skip them.
[00:40]  * OvenWerks doesn't use Loopbacks at all and really has no idea.
[01:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Same. I don't know why someone would want to use loopbacks when Jack basically does that job for you. I honestly consider it an extreme niche case and maybe consider it "Won't fix."
[01:15] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: loopback devices only show in the "Add" and "Remove" dropdowns now (I hope... none to test).
[01:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> I hope that's a decent compromise.
[01:20] <OvenWerks> issue 6 is anoying. He says the logfile is empty... even though he was asked to put logging to extra which should put out lots of text. At this point I am not even sure autojack is running except the other issues seem to indicate it does.
[01:21]  * OvenWerks wants to reach through his computer and test this system himself...
[01:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yes, I agree. Seems as though he hasn't enabled it (I'm almost positive that in Arch it would require a manual systemctl  --user enable studio
[01:25] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: applying anything in -controls that talks to autojack should force start it if it wasn't running
[01:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hmmm... yes. Strange that it wouldn't be already running then. I'm surprised he took on the AUR maintenance on studio-controls considering he doesn't exactly understand how it works, if that's the case.
[01:26] <OvenWerks> when studio-controls starts, it pings autojack and autojack answers. -controls save that as true and next time it tries to send something it starts it.
[01:28] <OvenWerks> I have asked for the output of controls run from the terminal, the logfile and now (good luck) the ouytput from running autojack from the commandline
[01:36] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, good luck with that. At least he's (somewhat) responsive.
[02:38] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: nice gift!
[02:39]  * RikMills is lucky to get socks
[03:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> [RikMills](https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_RikMills:matrix.org): yeah, it was straight from Mike Mikowski for helping to design the new welcome app, and consulting with the project.
[07:34]  * MauroGaspari[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/IoluxjnWZXSUEVsMGlBkRRZu/message.txt >
[07:37] <MauroGaspari[m]> Point 3 is especially tricky. It is quite challenging to explain what Ubuntu Studio brings in just a few lines. Longer than what I wrote, I believe won't be accepted. if Eickmeyer or others have suggestions to change it, feel free to comment.
[16:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: You can probably leave the second sentence out (about JACK and lowlatency), or perhaps summarize them. I want to try to change the mindset that Studio is only for audio.
[16:59] <MauroGaspari[m]> [Eickmeyer](https://matrix.to/#/@eickmeyer:matrix.org) yes that was the idea. But if we omit the amazing audio stack, people might think it is just any plasma distro with some software they can install on their own. Am I wrong?
[17:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: You're not wrong, I think "preconfigured for professional audio with JACK and a lowlatency kernel" might summarize it a bit more.
[17:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> Or "Makes professional audio easy on Linux with JACK and lowlatency kernel preconfigurations"....?
[17:03]  * Eickmeyer[m] spitballs
[17:08] <MauroGaspari[m]> I like that!
[17:46] <MauroGaspari[m]> Ubuntu Studio is an operating system for creative individuals in the areas of audio production, video production, graphics design, photography and desktop publishing. It Makes professional audio easy on Linux with JACK and lowlatency kernel preconfigurations.
[17:46] <MauroGaspari[m]> Starting from 20.10, Ubuntu Studio features the KDE Plasma desktop environment.
[17:46] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: looks ok to you?
[17:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> That works. :)
[18:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: Of course, I'd fix the capitalization. ;)
[18:10] <MauroGaspari[m]> Yes will sort minor details and send to distrowatch. Thanks for your help [Eickmeyer](https://matrix.to/#/@eickmeyer:matrix.org)
[18:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: No, thank you for yours! :)


  I installed using a usb dvd drive
[14:59] <xstat> hi everyone
[14:59] <davetheshow> I used a usb install, but once installed the backlight flickers like crazy and it crashes after a while....its a common linux bug :(
[14:59] <ukbeast> god ubuntu's smashing, :-)
[14:59] <prashant> installed ubuntu for the first time. got rid of unity within half an hour.
[15:00] <davetheshow> Unity is awful prashant...I wish cannonical would quit fu**ing around and stop unity development
[15:00] <ukbeast> updated to xorg egders on ubuntu 12.10
[15:00] <samalex> howdy
[15:00] <Random_> i reckon richard stallman hates Unity and Ubuntu
[15:00] <samiurrahman> hi
[15:00] <rohit987> helo
[15:00] <flubuntu> how do you see ubuntu in 5 years?
[15:01] <ukbeast> slight graphics glitches in a bluemoon
[15:01] <dholbach> if you want to ask questions, please prefix them with QUESTION:
[15:01] <dholbach> so they stand out
[15:01] <samalex> my first Ubuntu On Air hangout to attend live.  fun
[15:01] <davetheshow> Any women in here? HAHAH (As if!)
[15:01] <ukbeast> getting black squres
[15:01] <Random_> ubuntu in 5 years = ubuntu on your phone
[15:01] <samalex> Random_: I would love to see Ubuntu running on my phone ./
[15:01] <rohit987> ubuntu is open source so it is very imp thing
[15:01] <ukbeast> Would kill off windows phones
[15:02] <samalex> ukbeast: MS is doing a good enough job killing off Windows Phone
[15:02] <Navidos> How many persons currently are working on Ubuntu project?
[15:02] <dousdou> hi
[15:02] <zard> test
[15:02] <ukbeast> when will the stream start?
[15:02] <samalex> zard: I see ya :)
[15:02] <rohit987> please launch open source for mobile phone
[15:02] <Tango> Greetings from Bangladesh :)
[15:02] <amplified> I would also like to see it running on my gt-i9305 ; x need any maintainers?  :) guys :)
[15:02] <rohit987> may i get streaming link ? ?? ?? ??
[15:02] <thomas> http://ubuntuonair.com/
[15:03] <samalex> I'd love to see Ubuntu run on my Kindle Fire .. that stock interface is horrid.
[15:03] <dousdou> when will start ?
[15:03] <clkhoo656565> hi from Malaysia
[15:03] <rohit987> i know but stream not started yet
[15:03] <davetheshow> 3 mins late!!!
[15:03] <samalex> I just refreshed and it's playing now.
[15:03] <dousdou> hi from  tunisia
[15:03] <ukbeast> wait they are live?
[15:03] <stu2000> Anyone else having captcha difficulties in ubuntu firefox?
[15:03] <Silenthill> Hi ! :)
[15:03] <linuxfreak> how can we join the hangout ?
[15:03] <mike62> hi
[15:03] <linuxfreak> i am just able to view it
[15:03] <rohit987> via gmail
[15:03] <rohit987> g+
[15:03] <samalex> i wish I could work full time on something like Ubuntu ... sounds like a fun gig.
[15:03] <quesh> yop
[15:04] <mike62> sometimes I had problems when I try to update firefox, why?
[15:04] <davetheshoe> Everyone refresh! The stream has started!
[15:04] <rohit987> NOW ON AIR
[15:04] <davetheshoe> Everyone Refresh! The Steam has started!
[15:04] <samiurrahman_> please provide me some interesting CMD
[15:04] <samiurrahman_> please provide me some interesting CMD
[15:04] <kirk_> check
[15:05] <avalon_> What are planss for gaming on Ubuntu?
[15:05] <samiurrahman_> please provide me some interesting CMD
[15:05] <amplified> nice job answering that particular question ;)
[15:05] <kirk_> valve is releasing steam for linux
[15:05] <Vojta> i play armagetron mostly..
[15:05] <UbuFan> hello
[15:05] <UbuFan> hey
[15:05] <Vojta> woow
[15:05] <hackwa> hello
[15:06] <dholbach> if you have questions please prefix them with QUESTION:
[15:06] <Myskin> Hi guys! i am listening the hangout on air!!
[15:06] <ukbeast> when will flash get killed off? seems windows is the only machine that uses the 11.5 updates
[15:06] <stu2000> I had to use chrome to join chat, FF captcha in ubuntu not working for me....
[15:06] <poolfme> hola
[15:07] <nu0> Hello!
[15:07] <ukbeast> debian rules!
[15:07] <Vojta> my windows is broken, so i am using ubuntu, but i dont want to return to windows..
[15:07] <lithuania> hello
[15:07] <rohit987> where is live streaming ?           ?
[15:07] <ukbeast> seems wine 1.5 has more bugs then 1.4
[15:07] <rohit987> LIVE STRAM ? ? ?
[15:07] <mike62> Question: Which is the best way to update LibreOffice?
[15:07] <CT_> i like ubuntu, and ya..it is cool..
[15:08] <rohit987> LIVE STREAMING ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
[15:08] <Metfan> hello from France !
[15:08] <nu0> rohit987: yes
[15:08] <sohorny> hello from germany
[15:08] <Vojta> hello from Czech Republic..
[15:08] <ukbeast> https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa
[15:08] <amplified> I do not like that unity features are auto enabled.
[15:08] <quesh> http://ubuntuonair.com/
[15:08] <ukbeast> unity is trying to be google
[15:09] <Agakonna> I dont't like Ubuntu anymore. Because: Unity sucks
[15:09] <Vojta> i like unity search bar
[15:09] <ukbeast> use gnome
[15:09] <ukbeast> of kde
[15:09] <hackwa> unity is awesome and very fast
[15:09] <Agakonna> I use MATE :)
[15:09] <Vojta> you still can install gnome,,
[15:09] <ukbeast> cinnamon <3
[15:09] <Agakonna> http://mate-desktop.org/
[15:09] <beto_> hey
[15:09] <avelinojr> hello
[15:09] <samalex> XFCE tried and true for me ...
[15:09] <samalex> Gnome on Ubuntu has too much overhead and fluff for my taste.
[15:10] <zarlino_> Unity is Ok, but I never used lenses
[15:10] <ukbeast> xcfa is better sound juicer
[15:10] <Vojta> good bye :)
[15:10] <ukbeast> have proper .m4a ripping
[15:10] <samalex> Crazy question, but Imissed the intros so who are these two guys ..
[15:11] <Agakonna> human
[15:11] <samalex> just didn't catch their names.
[15:11] <mike62> Ubuntu is easy to install but I must invest lot of time trying to update plugins to listen music, DVDs. Question:  Is there a possibility to  put almost everything in the distro?
[15:11] <samalex> this is my first Ubuntu On Air I've watched, so maybe they're regulars, not sure.
[15:11] <blkscorp78> me either
[15:11] <Metfan> he remember me, christophe willem.... :p
[15:12] <TOOmy> hey
[15:12] <myrealityde> Hey
[15:12] <samalex> mike62: I've never had a problem after installing the REstricted Format package.
[15:12] <ukbeast> use medibuntu for more codecs and dvd player library
[15:12] <Ut1> h
[15:12] <Ut1> *hi
[15:12] <samalex> o/
[15:12] <PPOP-00X> touch screen ability?
[15:12] <tepa> Hello from Finland!
[15:12] <ukbeast> ;)
[15:12] <myrealityde> I need more AMD driver support ._.
[15:13] <Metfan> hi
[15:13] <Carl__> hello from philippines
[15:13] <valdur55> Iain Lane, #Ubuntu and #Debian hacker  and Daniel Holbach
[15:13] <cyroz> hello everybody
[15:13] <Nirgo> Hello from germany.
[15:13] <mateusza> QUESTION: Are there any initiatives to encourage software providers to port their professional closed-source software (like AutoCAD) to Linux?
[15:13] <poolfme> is this alive??
[15:13] <mike62> Instead of having every six month a new release just put something complete every year
[15:13] <typ3z3r0> Hello from straya, cunts.
[15:13] <ukbeast> is using intel integrated graphics >.>
[15:14] <ukbeast> does debian have a desktop distribution?
[15:14] <ukbeast> or is it just packages?
[15:15] <dholbach> ukbeast, yes
[15:15] <Guest36872> Nah, Actually the vide is unavailable.
[15:15] <ukbeast> thank you
[15:15] <xacam> hey everyone
[15:15] <georgechaos> did we start?
[15:15] <xacam> hello from turkey.
[15:15] <ukbeast> hi
[15:16] <keenu> Hello from japan
[15:16] <Agakonna> Big in Japan tonight?
[15:16] <a0h> lol
[15:16] <xacam> ovv yeah.. big in japan.
[15:16] <a0h> kageshi.com
[15:16] <Guest36872> hey,
[15:17] <ukbeast> I soo want to buy a linux pre installed machine.
[15:17] <a0h> debian is still awesome, ubuntu kernel has fornicated up all over the place
[15:17] <ukbeast> all I found in curry's and argos in win7 and 1 win8 laptop
[15:18] <Guest36872> big in Japan today?
[15:18] <a0h> daily, i figure out where ubunutu has fornicated long-stable debian software... like bash
[15:19] <samalex> Question: How closely do the core Ubuntu developers work with the devs who build the variants like Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc.  And do any developers of Ubuntu cross develop on those other distros?
[15:19] <a0h> gnu-hurd.... / debian. thats a relationship i like
[15:19] <ukbeast> 802.11 WiFi (ra0). but I'm not using usb wifi?
[15:21] <Ishitva> Hello
[15:21] <phillip> Hello
[15:22] <antoniu86> Hi :)
[15:22] <Nirgo> Hi
[15:22] <SkuZ> Hi
[15:22] <ukbeast> hi
[15:22] <Ishitva> How to contribute to Ubuntu ?
[15:23] <a0h> Zfone, I want to see that software come back
[15:23] <a0h> Phil zimmerman got fornicated by the USA govt.
[15:24] <a0h> vlc...
[15:24] <Agakonna> Totem!
[15:24] <tepa> ATI will not join the party... :-(
[15:24] <a0h> I uninstall totem, and gstreamer.
[15:25] <ukbeast> "QUESTION" does gstreamer support .ape
[15:25] <a0h> vlc is more feature rich, and runs more efficently
[15:25] <ePoxi> +1 to VLC
[15:25] <Agakonna> Maybe
[15:25] <Nirgo> Which projects Iane Lane is part of? Ubuntu and Debian? Some others, too?
[15:26] <ukbeast> best for dvd playback with menu (vlc)
[15:26] <a0h> gstreamer evidently
[15:26] <mike62> I can´t see anything now, what is going on?
[15:26] <Guest36872> either
[15:27] <pi_> still working for me
[15:27] <SpaceRocket> If I know programming and I want to contribute to Gstreamer for example but I don't know how codecs works and how to process audio/video, from where I can start?
[15:27] <ukbeast> musicbrainz does not seem to work on banshee or rhythmbox
[15:27] <Laney> dholbach: can't hear you
[15:28] <Laney> can people hear me?
[15:28] <thenameish> I can hear you
[15:28] <Laney> and dholbach?
[15:28] <ukbeast> I hear you
[15:28] <thenameish> but I dont think Iain does
[15:28] <a0h> Dont waste your time on the desktop Ian! use your talent for supplemtnt projects.
[15:28] <Laney> haha
[15:28] <Agakonna> Still hoping that Totem will be replaced with VLC
[15:28] <ceren_> i can hear you daniel
[15:28] <a0h> we can hear you
[15:28] <sepisoad> I can hear you
[15:28] <mvineetmenon> i don;t think they can hear you///
[15:28] <thenameish> I can hear you, but probably not Iain
[15:28] <Nirgo> ya
[15:28] <keenu> we can hear you
[15:28] <Agakonna> I see you!
[15:28] <Laney> BLAST!
[15:28] <phillip> i can hear you
[15:28] <ukbeast> Iain!
[15:28] <Laney> TECHNOLOGY!
[15:28] <antoniu86> yep
[15:28] <thenameish> I can see you both
[15:28] <ukbeast> rofl
[15:28] <keenu> even we can see you both
[15:28] <a0h> kageshi.com lets go chat there.
[15:28] <TechLab> audio errors!
[15:29] <thenameish> *Please excuse us while we are handling technical difficulties*
[15:29] <a0h> we can all get on cam too
[15:29] <Agakonna> sign language works best!
[15:29] <ePoxi> google boicot!
[15:29] <thenameish> Iain
[15:29] <pi_> working on a microsoft OS?
[15:29] <mvineetmenon> :P
[15:29] <ukbeast> Iain has muted
[15:29] <TechLab> I can hear one only, and I can see both
[15:29] <thenameish> please say something
[15:29] <lewtds> haha, sign language :x
[15:29] <thenameish> I can see you both
[15:29] <TechLab> OppsQ
[15:29] <a0h> write on the white board!
[15:29] <TechLab> yes!
[15:29] <thenameish> @lewtds yes sign language would work
[15:29] <keenu> it seems lenis voice not recognize by the google
[15:29] <thenameish> :-D
[15:29] <samalex> chat in IRC :)
[15:29] <ePoxi> pulse problem?
[15:29] <TechLab> ;)
[15:29] <phillip> i can not hear Iain
[15:29] <mike62> I can´t see anything, the sound horrible with lot of bugs; I do not understand; i can hear a radio online quite well, what is happening with your site?
[15:29] <ukbeast> reboot both machines
[15:29] <keenu> coz, google not changing the video
[15:29] <ceren_> :)
[15:30] <antoniu86> nice =))
[15:30] <Teto> yeah buddy!
[15:30] <lewtds> @thenameish Too bad only few people can
[15:30] <thenameish> Is Iain speaking at all?
[15:30] <TechLab> he may have a mac book...
[15:30] <a0h> ooh, you know when i start some older appliactions, like the firstclass client, my audio goes out
[15:30] <thenameish> okie dokie
[15:30] <ukbeast> lol alsa no.1
[15:30] <Agakonna> I prefer lingua Latina...
[15:30] <samalex> crazy Google ..
[15:30] <mike62> the problem I think is not the machine or the brand, is that you guys, don´t have a good connection or are you improving?
[15:30] <SpaceRocket> QUESTION If I know programming and I want to contribute to Gstreamer for example but I don't know how codecs works and how to process audio/video, from where I can start?
[15:31] <lewtds> We've already got Mint for that
[15:31] <mateusza> QUESTION: Do you think one day Ubuntu will abandon classical unix directory structure containing /etc, /bin/, /usr, /boot and so on, and replace it with something completely new and more suitable for modern systems?
[15:31] <a0h> Dont waste our time with newbish stuff
[15:31] <Laney> ahem ahem, let me restart
[15:31] <phillip> yes right
[15:31] <SpaceRocket> Laney,  If I know programming and I want to contribute to Gstreamer for example but I don't know how codecs works and how to process audio/video, from where I can start?
[15:32] <ukbeast> use http://www.medibuntu.org/ for dvd player software
[15:32] <metatron> hi
[15:32] <SkuZ> QUESTION: Why does Sam Parton suck at coding
[15:32] <antoniu86> QUESTION Do you know when the Adobe will create the Photoshop version for Ubuntu?
[15:32] <a0h> [QUESTION]can we get an ubuntu store back port? I use 10.04, and i want to buy software in the software channel
[15:32] <ukbeast> only on chrome it seems
[15:33] <phillip> adobe dont develop for linux now
[15:33] <thenameish> yay!
[15:33] <a0h> HEYO!!
[15:33] <metatron> QUESTION: talk about skype updates =)
[15:33] <phillip> hey
[15:33] <ePoxi> QUESTION: Is Totem going to support JACK?
[15:33] <ukbeast> yay ;)
[15:33] <Guest49676> metatron: skype has never worked for me properly on Ubuntu :P
[15:33] <CT_> for gaming, unity web player is not support for linux...when will it release linux version?
[15:33] <someguyhihi> QUESTION: why is Unity the default GUI when Gnome is so much better?
[15:33] <a0h> I hate the Unity.
[15:33] <catof21> hi there
[15:34] <ukbeast> ubuntu uses about 500mb ram
[15:34] <a0h> Im sticking out with gnome... until I have to switch to mint
[15:34] <ukbeast> )UNITY)
[15:34] <thenameish> [QUESTION] from SpaceRocket, but I also would like to know: Laney,  If I know programming and I want to contribute to Gstreamer for example but I don't know how codecs works and how to process audio/video, from where I can start?
[15:34] <Agakonna> ukbeast with 64-bit or 32-bit?
[15:34] <ePoxi> [QUESTION] What's your position on Gnomebuntu?
[15:34] <TechLab> QUESTION will there be a Ubuntu IDE built into Ubuntu which would be a universal IDE for languages such as C, C++, and others? Quickly is great, but I am a C/C++ developer.
[15:34] <ukbeast> x64
[15:34] <ukbeast> but gnome uses 300mb
[15:35] <horvat> QUESTION:Is there any ideas about ubuntu for tablets?
[15:35] <Agakonna> Truth
[15:35] <ukbeast> THIS- QUESTION:Is there any ideas about ubuntu for tablets?
[15:36] <djjimbo> Hi
[15:36] <ukbeast> talk about gnome more lol
[15:36] <a0h> [QUESTION] I want to maintain old code. like XFS support what do I do?
[15:36] <mike62> bye, next time put more effort to show us usefuld things.
[15:36] <mike62> quit
[15:36] <samalex> saw a video a while back with Ubuntu running on a Nexus 7 .. butitw ould be NICE to see it officially supported.
[15:36] <metatron> QUESTION: steam games on ubuntu
[15:36] <samalex> nice .. just as I typed Nexus 7 he started mentining it :)
[15:36] <remeeraz> QUESTION - What are the plans regarding the UNITY interface in the later release of gnome.
[15:37] <ukbeast> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/12/steam-for-linux-beta-adds-yet-more-users
[15:37] <metatron> tnx ukbeast
[15:38] <horvat> QUESTION:What will be ubuntu main direction of development, PC or tablets, or some kind of fusion those twos?
[15:38] <mjh_> There are work-arounds to use Steam even if you're not a beta tester...I did this before I was officially accepted to be a beta user
[15:38] <ukbeast> QUESTION - how to disable subtitles in totem webplugin
[15:39] <a0h> #+1 for steam! Steam bites, I hate DRM,BS, but, I like the games available, and want to see more.
[15:39] <djjimbo> Alguien habla escribe español
[15:40] <ukbeast> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/07/how-to-install-runescape-linux-game.html <3
[15:40] <a0h> That sounds like some big-brother BS Ian
[15:40] <samalex> I think the  biggest thing I'd love to see, though I think it's outside the scope of this conversation, is Netflix on Linux.
[15:41] <a0h> quality vs, security.
[15:41] <samalex> Question: Silly question but I missed the intros and never got either of your names -- could you give these and your locations again?  Just curious.
[15:41] <Agakonna> performance vs security
[15:41] <mjh_> you can watch netflix using firefox in wine in Ubuntu 32bit...64 coming soon. Apparently some polished PPAs are in the works.
[15:41] <a0h> that
[15:41] <Alenan> Hey
[15:41] <a0h> the netflix wine thing doesnt impress me
[15:42] <a0h> I want actual support
[15:42] <ukbeast> wine 1.5 seems more buggy then 1.4
[15:42] <Unix> I agree.
[15:42] <SuperDaveEndor> preacon on a0h
[15:42] <SuperDaveEndor> *preach
[15:42] <ukbeast> can't fullscreen properly
[15:42] <mjh_> Blame Netflix and their use of Silverlight. Then blame Microsoft for Silverlight. I too want real support.
[15:42] <designbybeck> Greetings all
[15:42] <a0h> [QUESTION] How does Ubuntu convince new partners and companies to give support??
[15:42] <mrO_> hey
[15:42] <ukbeast> moonlight?
[15:43] <Agakonna> is dead
[15:43] <samalex> ukbeast: netflix doesn't work with moonlight.
[15:43] <a0h> moonlight is a decent project i get.
[15:43] <mjh_> nope...Moonlight doesn't do it for Netflix yet
[15:43] <samalex> QUESTION: ANy talks between Ubuntu team and hardware vendors like Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc to get Ubuntu into retail stores?
[15:43] <a0h> beeta
[15:43] <a0h> lol
[15:43] <a0h> Im waiting to get into the beeta
[15:43] <CT_> Question: any improvement on libreoffice? i hope it could have much more compatible with MSoffice
[15:44] <ukbeast> I would pay for a ubuntu machine over a win8 machine anyday
[15:44] <a0h> MS Office is delibrately incompatable... they make things BS
[15:44] <a0h> BLENDER
[15:44] <marcoceppi> Ubuntu is already in a lot of stores in China and India on Dell hardware
[15:44] <a0h> blender is that effort
[15:44] <mjh_> System76, Zareason, ThinkPenguin, new Dell XPS 13
[15:44] <ukbeast> Blender <3
[15:45] <Nirgo> QUESTION: Where is the way going for Ubuntu in topic of power management? i have battery power on dell latitude e6420 for about 6 - 7 hours, in win7 more than 9 hours , with standard settings (i tried to improve but doesn't work really well)
[15:45] <Paps> the XPS 12 is running on Ubuntu now. Wonder how that wil fan out
[15:45] <designbybeck> Blender <3
[15:45] <TechLab> Sound error!
[15:45] <thenameish> Uh-oh, losing audio again
[15:45] <Laney> FATALLLLLLLLLL
[15:45] <metatron> lol =)
[15:45] <Nirgo> sound is gone.
[15:45] <thenameish> #fail
[15:45] <phillip> omg
[15:45] <Carlson> >.<
[15:45] <a0h> QESTION: is there a team effort to get Vendor support?
[15:45] <TechLab> Blender <3
[15:45] <mjh_> he needs some shweet headphones too
[15:45] <Laney> dholbach advised me to buy this webcam :P
[15:45] <metatron> mg...
[15:45] <horvat> QUESTION:What will be ubuntu main direction of development, PC or tablets, or some kind of fusion those twos?
[15:46] <Guest48195> ^hahah
[15:46] <metatron> i wanted to know bout acad  ^^
[15:46] <ukbeast> <3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQDQKqO44QI
[15:46] <a0h> Vendor support, will increase popularity.
[15:46] <ukbeast> robot running on blender
[15:47] <Agakonna> and again
[15:47] <remeeraz> QUESTION What OS is Lain using which keeps killing audio?!
[15:47] <ukbeast> winxp? *jokes
[15:47] <samalex> dangit had to step away and missed the last few minutes.
[15:47] <metatron> fun fun fun =)
[15:47] <samalex> did they mention anything about vendor support?
[15:48] <Agakonna> I thought Windows 3.x hasn't been used for years...
[15:48] <ukbeast> wow iaian on 9.10? ;P
[15:48] <a0h> WE should have some other strategy for persuing support from companies
[15:48] <a0h> other than saying hey we have users...
[15:49] <ukbeast> sna better then uxa
[15:49] <zeilja> http://goo.gl/mLX3h
[15:49] <Darrag> Hey all together
[15:49] <Agakonna> It is. I tried and windowses were rendered faster.
[15:49] <zeilja> QUESTION: Why did Ubuntu give up gnome 2?  I have been using the bumbleebe project to be able to use it in my laptop.
[15:53] <samalex> someguyhihi: i personally think Ubuntu has moved more towards n00b users but there are other options for those who don't like it - that's the beauty if Linux and OSS :)
[15:54] <someguyhihi> samalex: yeah but Gnome does everything unity does, and it's better
[15:54] <a0h> That E4rat thing Agakonna, it can help. what is you boot time?
[15:54] <ukbeast> QUESTION: .ape is Monkey's Audio
[15:54] <Agakonna> 1m 30s
[15:54] <welch> :D
[15:54] <a0h> Fastest ive come up ever was 19 seconds
[15:54] <a0h> FHS
[15:55] <a0h> Thank GOD
[15:55] <ukbeast> 15secs to boot on asus
his beard is cute!
[15:55] <a0h> I like the FHS Standards
[15:55] <a0h> FHS isnt even and ubuntu issue
[15:55] <a0h> They do make changes over time to the FHS
[15:55] <mike_602> QUESTION: what is the ubuntu status on the Nexus 7? What is working and what isn't working? Should I install on Nexus 7 now?
[15:55] <a0h> GIMP Niggas
[15:56] <ukbeast> lol <Guest48195> (<question>his beard is cute!)
[15:56] <a0h> YESSA!
[15:56] <someguyhihi> a0h:  gimp is horrible
[15:56] <someguyhihi> a0h: pretty much unusable
[15:56] <davidltp> Question: I have read that Ubuntu sends information back to Ubuntu. Is this true? http://www.zdnet.com/free-software-father-declared-ubuntu-linux-to-contain-spyware-7000008516/?s_cid=e539
[15:56] <pi_> what was the answer to the photoshop question?
[15:56] <designbybeck> how long have you used it for someguyhihi
[15:56] <designbybeck> gimp
[15:56] <ukbeast> wine and PS?
[15:57] <a0h> really? windows to ubuntu?
[15:57] <ePoxi> QUESTION: Is Gstreammer going to support JACK?
[15:57] <a0h> it cant be that bad
[15:57] <toms56> Is compiz compatible with others environments such as Gnome or KDE, XFCE, LXDE, etc... ? Or could it be ?
[15:57] <someguyhihi> designbybeck:  i've used it to eyedropper some colours from images when i need to, but other than that, it's so much worse than photoshop, i don't bother
[15:57] <speakman> QUESTION: Why is it so hard to get smooth scrolling and multi touch gesture to work on laptops? The touchpad on i.e. MacBook is a pain, and even the Magic Mouse wonderful scroll feature is too. I was really looking forward running Ubuntu on my Air but I couldn't stand it so now I have to run Mac OS X.
[15:57] <mike_602> using easy peasy :)
[15:57] <a0h> Im not going to unity it sux balls
[15:57] <someguyhihi> designbybeck:  luckily, i'm not a designer, but i imagine no photoshop is ad ealbreaker for designers
[15:57] <a0h> the gnome port was horrendous
[15:57] <Alenan> Question: Is it hard to develope Ubuntu? And be a developer in the ubuntu team?
[15:58] <a0h> *****FOAMS AT MOUTH!!****
[15:58] <zeilja> to be honest, i gave up ubuntu for couple months now since they gave up gnome GUI. i am using debian with gnome2
[15:58] <ePoxi> : (
[15:58] <toms56> I love the way we can switch from a desktop to another just with the mouse interactinos on the edges with compiz
[15:58] <ukbeast> Use Inkscape ;)
[15:58] <designbybeck> just made this in Blender, GIMP and Inkscape http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=41650
[15:59] <ukbeast> Gnome smexy and fast
[15:59] <ePoxi> Te ppl at Ubuntu Studio will be a lil dissapointer about that...
[15:59] <a0h> http://gnomebuntu.org/
[15:59] <a0h> Yall got me excited
[15:59] <a0h> but its not up yet
[16:00] <davidltp> @a0h, I agree. I moved to Cinnamon
[16:00] <a0h> I wonder how i get involved with that
[16:00] <zeilja> http://cli.gs/7m1mu6f
[16:00] <mike_602> love ubuntu. need to get more people to love it
[16:00] <Laney> JOIN
[16:00] <a0h> Needs help with sounds
[16:00] <Laney> #ubuntu-motu and help me fix my webcam!
[16:00] <thenameish> Aww...
[16:00] <thenameish> thanks for answering questions!
[16:01] <speakman> QUESTION: How about focus on multitouch one day?
[16:01] <mjh_> Thanks guys!
[16:01] <phillip> thanks
[16:01] <ePoxi> Thanks
[16:01] <swat> hi all
[16:01] <ukbeast> 1st ubuntu version to use is 10.04
[16:01] <Nirgo> When is next hang out ?
[16:01] <godra> sad that i cannot update ubuntu :(
[16:01] <chilicuil> now in spanish too! =)
[16:01] <swat> When we can use ubuntu for android?
[16:01] <xente> ditto on ubuntu for android
[16:01] <speakman> Thanks! Bye!
[16:01] <a0h> Thnx!
[16:01] <PPOP-00X> Thank you for sharing your time.
[16:01] <someguyhihi> thanks!
[16:01] <chilicuil> wowow!
[16:02] <ukbeast> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid&hl=en
[16:02] <ukbeast> bye
[16:02] <a0h> who gonna stay?
[16:02] <Agakonna> ou
[16:02] <a0h> can i get on cam now?
[16:02] <xente> thanks
[16:02] <ukbeast> ubuntu installer https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid&hl=en
[16:03] <ukbeast> maybe I should leave
[16:04] <Agakonna> tervemenoa
[16:04] <a0h> kageshi.com come chat there guys
[16:04] <samalex> good hangout .. thanks.
[16:04] <Agakonna>      Goodbye and good riddance!
[16:06] <TechLab> Bye!
[16:06] <dean_> hi all
[16:06] <Alenan> QUESTION: I love Ubuntu, but i don´t think that is great for beginners.  Thats more annoying
[16:13] <a0h> If i could get the pannel in 12.04 i would be there. I need my 1-click stuff. Im not going to type BS for scripts
[16:13] <iannus> You should develop a "COMMAND LENS". it would be very usefull for finding terminal commands...
[16:14] <a0h> ZSH has some usefull stuff
[16:14] <a0h> like auto search history
[16:14] <Darrag> the amazon search is a very bad feature
[16:15] <a0h> even debian droped gnome... So limited are my days to stay with ubuntu I gues
[16:24] <krimou> hi
[16:32] <Guest74700> ./nick Brandon
[17:12] <Aslam> hello
[17:25] <rashthedude> Hello altogether
[17:25] <rashthedude> OK
[18:17] <nickel_> a
[20:08] <a_8gmFl_Brotforc> yeah g`day
[20:40] <Zayani> Hello
[20:41] <Zayani> May i know why Ubuntu Server Edition doesnt have any GUI interface by default?
[20:47] <bkk006> H
[20:47] <bkk006> i
[21:59] <hi> hi