[05:16] <jussi> morning all
[05:19] <jussi> can someone help me with graphics at all? I need the Kubuntu logo to be White letters, not black... (for embroidery on Navy blue).
[05:38] <Tm_T> jussi: the whole logo?
[05:38] <jussi> Tm_T: yes
[05:38] <Tm_T> jussi: where's the source you're using?
[05:38] <jussi> Tm_T: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtwork
[05:39] <Tm_T> ha, was on that page already, thanks
[05:39] <jussi> :)
[05:39] <Tm_T> jussi: what format you need?
[05:40] <jussi> Tm_T: a decently large PNG should be fine
[05:40] <Tm_T> jussi: does the gears need to be reversed in colours too?
[05:40] <jussi> Tm_T: no
[05:40] <jussi> just the back letters white
[05:40] <Tm_T> so only the text, one moment I'll save this
[05:41] <jussi> Tm_T: see this: http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2012/12/23/kubuntu-shirt-flu/
[05:42] <Tm_T> ah, yes
[05:45] <Tm_T> jussi: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/kubuntu-logo-lucid-1.png
[05:45] <Tm_T> transparent background, white text
[05:46] <jussi> Tm_T: thank you sir!
[05:47] <Tm_T> jussi: I simply opened svg on karbon, clicked the text, picked white colour, exported png
[05:48] <jussi> Tm_T: hehe... that would require me to even know that it was karbon needed to open svgs... :D
[05:48] <Tm_T> jussi: oh no, I simply opened the file and it was opened in karbon, first time for me to use karbon at all
[05:48] <jussi> ahh ok
[05:49] <jussi> Guess my lack of kofffeeeeeeeeeee is showing me up
[05:49] <Tm_T> this is how technology should work, you don't have to pick tools, they're just there for you (:
[05:49] <jussi> yup
[05:50] <Tm_T> hmmmm, I wonder...
[05:50] <Tm_T> I'll try do the same edit with vim just for the giggles
[06:00] <Tm_T> let's make it red
[06:00] <jussi> hehe
[06:12] <soee> good morning
[06:13] <jussi> morning soee?
[06:13] <jussi> err, without the ?
[06:13] <jussi> :P
[06:13] <soee> yes morning jussi :D
[06:14] <soee> its 8:15 -.-
[06:14] <jussi> mornings...
[06:17] <soee> :)
[06:44] <baltolkien> Goog Morning
[07:28] <jussi> Riddell: one final detail: What sizes did you order? Im thinking to go S:5, M:5, L:10, XL:5.
[07:35] <Tm_T> jussi: all male shirts at this point?
[07:36] <jussi> Tm_T: yeah, its too small a number for female ones, unfortunately. Its not I didnt think of it, but its not going to work for this order
[07:37] <Tm_T> I agree, unfortunately
[07:37] <Tm_T> jussi: let me know when female cuts are available
[07:37] <Tm_T> preferably both small and large sizes
[07:38] <jussi> Tm_T: when/if these sell out, I expect female will be next on the agenda. This is really about testing the waters
[07:38] <Tm_T> yup
[07:38] <jussi> Making sure the systems work etc
[08:19] <shadeslayer> ScottK: kinda, I'm more actively looking at things to do in Frameworks to do for sure
[09:09] <tester56> hi i have downloaded kde-style-oxygen and all it's dependencies, copied oxygen.so to /usr/lib32/kde4/plugins/styles and determined all needed libaries with "ldd". It finds all libaries now (copied to /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu)
[09:09] <tester56> I am on a 64 bit system and want to use 32 bit qt apps like skpye with oxygen style
[09:10] <tester56> switching to gtk as layout is not an option for me (it would use oxygen-gtk then)
[09:11] <tester56> so i started skype using "QT_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib32/kde4/plugins/styles/ skype" but i can't select oxygen
[09:11] <tester56> has anybody an idea what does not work?
[09:12] <tester56> i have heared this working from many sources, http://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Enabling-oxygen-style-in-Skype-on-64-bit-systems-is-WAY-TOO-HARD/td-p/1695840 is one of them
[09:13] <tester56> i downloaded the packages from repo using sudo aptitude -o APT::Architecture="i386" download
[09:15] <shadeslayer> how odd
[09:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: I haven't signed your keys?
[09:16] <yofel> hm, no, at least here it doesn't say so
[09:18] <tester56> i have solved it :-))))
[09:19] <tester56> in ~/.config/Trolltech.conf wa an entry "[Qt%20Plugin%20Cache%204.8.false]"
[09:19] <tester56> i have removed it and restarted skype ... everything looks fine
[09:20] <tester56> it would be nice if there was a package to install oxygen 32 on 64 bit
[09:23] <tester56> are there any plans to package something like this?
[09:26] <tester56> i have wps office running which is also a qt 32 bit application ... but it does not use oxygen ... it works for skype though now
[09:27] <tester56> is there any way to establish the reason why it does not work?
[09:27] <tester56> on a 32 bit system theming works fine
[09:33] <tester56> which oxygen libary is responsible for the color scheme?
[10:09] <smartboyhw> Hey Kubuntu people
[10:09]  * smartboyhw blames yofel and shadeslayer and Riddell of not replying to the e-mail
[10:26] <yofel> I'll try to do that later today
[10:26] <yofel> smartboyhw: want to update nepomuk and marble in the meantime?
[10:27] <smartboyhw> yofel, uh, I can do it 1-2 hours later
[10:30] <yofel> sure
[10:33] <smartboyhw> yofel, to confirm: I'm supposed to use the 4.11.0a versions for nepomuk and marble?
[10:33] <vHanda> *nepomuk-core
[10:34] <smartboyhw> Yeah
[10:50] <yofel> smartboyhw: yes
[10:50] <smartboyhw> yofel, sure
[11:13] <Riddell> ScottK: ah hah, well it doesn't much cover me but I would like to look at getting them co-installable
[11:20]  * shadeslayer was doing paperwork all day today
[11:20] <shadeslayer> I can only reply tomorrow I think
[11:21] <shadeslayer> or maybe on the 15th since I have a holiday on that day
[11:42] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, OK;)
[12:00] <smartboyhw> yofel, uploading nepomuk-core
[12:09] <Riddell> hmm, lots of blue http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.0_raring.html
[12:22] <yofel> kde4libs had failed without reason, I restarted it earlier
[12:44] <jussi> have we all seen the youtube easter egg? (probably old, but I just found it) if you havent, go to a video, pause it and type 1980 :D
[12:45] <smartboyhw> yofel, marble uploading
[12:47] <yofel> thanks!
[12:48] <yofel> could you update raring too while at it? Should be as simple as running the default hook and adding the changelog entry
[12:48] <smartboyhw> yofel, default hook = ？
[12:49] <yofel> backport-hooks/stable/raring
[12:49] <smartboyhw> yofel, either I'm stupid or I just can't see a raring hook
[12:49] <yofel> checkout too old?
[12:50] <smartboyhw> yofel, probably:(
[12:50] <smartboyhw> Unfortunately, I am doing this alongside a full -j4 kernel build, so it will take some time:p
[12:53] <yofel> well, there's no hurry
[12:54] <shadeslayer> jussi: nothing happpens
[12:54] <shadeslayer> jussi: seeks back to the beginning
[12:54] <jussi> shadeslayer: you failed then. 1980
[12:55] <smartboyhw> yofel, where is the 13.04 PPA? kubuntu-ppa/staging?
[12:55] <jussi> shadeslayer: open http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYXz1hE_bWc and try it, perhaps ad supported doesnt work or something
[12:56] <yofel> no, ninjas now, see pad
[12:56] <yofel> which reminds me that I should purge the 13.04 stuff from staging
[12:57] <Riddell> time to move on from 4.10.97
[12:58] <shadeslayer> haha
[12:58] <shadeslayer> jussi: I think it only works with flash vids
[12:58] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, I dunno, but its a good one
[13:02] <jussi> shadeslayer: seems like the focus cant be on the video element then it works
[13:07] <smartboyhw> yofel, I've done nepomuk-core to raring
[13:07] <tester56> hi again: How to make Trolltech.conf use 32 bit oxygen for 32 bit apps and 64 bit oxygen for 64 bit apps?
[13:07] <tester56> I can delete .config/Trolltech.conf
[13:08] <tester56> when I start a 32 bit app then 32 bit apps use oxygen but not 64 bit and vice versa
[13:11] <tester56> exporting QT_PLUGIN_PATH for the app has no impact
[13:12] <Riddell> yofel: shall I use the backport script to upload 4.11 into ninjas or is there more stuff needing done for the LTS bits there?
[13:13] <yofel> the backport script should work fine for precise
[13:13] <yofel> I think I reverted all of the mesa changes I had in there
[13:14] <yofel> for that matter, I installed precise on a SD card over the weekend and ran 4.10.97 on my intel notebook here. Worked fine.
[13:14] <Riddell> tester56: I don't think I understand your issue
[13:14] <Riddell> tester56: you're using kde plasma or another desktop?
[13:14] <tester56> i have manually install all 32 bit libaries needed for oxygen.so
[13:14] <yofel> So considering the amount of people that actually use it I think we can live with the occasional mesa 8 issue, and recommend the HWE stack in those cases
[13:15] <tester56> Riddell: kde plasma
[13:15] <yofel> need to send martin a mail though as that's not what we agreed on
[13:15] <tester56> Riddell: problem is 32 bit apps like skype can't use oxygen
[13:16] <Riddell> yofel: so no HW enablement backports by default?
[13:16] <yofel> no, at least not as upgrade
[13:16] <tester56> Riddell: So I have downloaded kde-style-oxygen and copied oxygen.so to /usr/lib32/kde4/plugins/styles
[13:17] <tester56> Riddell: (32 bit version)
[13:17] <smartboyhw> yofel, can you fix marble in 13.10?
[13:17]  * smartboyhw does not have time, sorry
[13:17] <tester56> Riddell: then I determined all required libaries using ldd
[13:18] <tester56> now Trolltech.conf only lets me set either 32 bit oxygen or 64 bit oxygen
[13:19] <yofel> I don't see how oxygen here is fixable without multiarch-ing kde-style-oxygen. Which doesn't sound trivial at all
[13:20] <tester56> is multiarch planned for the future?
[13:20] <smartboyhw> tester56, probably...
[13:20] <yofel> not the near future
[13:21] <tester56> the stuff i did should work: http://chakra-project.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?pid=61765
[13:21] <yofel> the path should be /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/kde4/plugins/styles btw. for us, we have no lib32
[13:22] <shadeslayer> whats up
[13:22] <yofel> smartboyhw: no time to fix marble either, sorry
[13:22] <shadeslayer> wasn't marble respun
[13:22] <shadeslayer> same for nepomuk-core
[13:23] <shadeslayer> were they re-uploaded?
[13:23] <yofel> they were
[13:23] <shadeslayer> awesome
[13:23] <yofel> now marble complains about
[13:23] <yofel> dh_install: libmarblewidget16 missing files (usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.0.15.*), aborting
[13:23] <yofel> weird
[13:23] <shadeslayer> what needs doing raring?
[13:23] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, marble
[13:23] <yofel> fix saucy first
[13:23] <yofel> kopete failed too
[13:23] <shadeslayer> looking at kopete
[13:24] <shadeslayer> can someone QA ktp from my PPA?
[13:24] <shadeslayer> for raring
[13:25] <shadeslayer> and kscreen
[13:25] <shadeslayer> stuff to QA just keeps piling up :<
[13:25] <tester56> yofel: that path does not work either
[13:26] <yofel> well, the default qt plugin path does not respect multiarch folders so I'm not surprised
[13:26] <tester56> yofel: I can have oxygen, but only either for 32 bit or 64 bit (at least with autogenerated Trolltech.conf)
[13:27] <tester56> I don't know what I should edit
[13:27] <shadeslayer> ufff
[13:27]  * yofel wonders how qt5 handles that
[13:27] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: next time plz mention the KDE bug instead of a direct patch to the link plz
[13:27] <tester56> both paths (32 bit one and 64 bit one show up in the config file)
[13:27] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, what?
[13:27] <shadeslayer>   [ Howard Chan ]
[13:27] <shadeslayer>  * Introduce patch at http://bugsfiles.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=80534
[13:27] <shadeslayer>     to fix audio_stream
[13:27] <shadeslayer> in kopete
[13:28] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, my fault, sorry;p
[13:28] <yofel> another complain: the patch name is missing
[13:28] <shadeslayer> do you remember the the bug number?
[13:28] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, /me searches
[13:28] <smartboyhw> yofel, no name from upstream, it's an attachment of the bug
[13:28] <yofel> smartboyhw: I mean the file name in debian/patches/
[13:29] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh, sorry
[13:29] <yofel> otherwise I have almost no way to find out *when* a patch was added
[13:29] <shadeslayer> plus would be nice to have dep 3 formatted patches
[13:29] <shadeslayer> but that's a dream for now
[13:30] <yofel> dep3 is strongly recommended for non-git-format-patch patches really
[13:30] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[13:30] <smartboyhw> Uh, obviously I forgotten that, I do include these normally:(
[13:31] <shadeslayer> fwiw I think smartboyhw's patch causes the failiure
[13:31] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, Bug 318825
[13:31] <smartboyhw> Um, KDE:P
[13:31] <yofel> kde 318825
[13:31] <smartboyhw> I think so, I forgotten..................
[13:31] <smartboyhw> That's what upstream directed me to...
[13:31] <shadeslayer> it most certainly touches the exact same code that fails to compile
[13:32] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, eh, I asked in #kopete and they pointed me to there:(
[13:33]  * smartboyhw blames upsteram.
[13:34]  * yofel blames smartboyhw for not noticing that it failed to build
[13:34]  * smartboyhw did not see the failure e-mails, sorry
[13:36]  * shadeslayer points to policy
[13:36] <yofel> I tried to build kopete against ortp-0.21.1 and mediastreamer-2.9.0 which are part of linphone 3.6 beta1.
[13:36] <yofel> from the bug
[13:36] <yofel> we have 3.5.2-10
[13:36] <yofel> so the patch doesn't apply for us
[13:37] <smartboyhw> yofel, :O but I asked in #kopete and they told me that. I should copy down the logs..
[13:38] <smartboyhw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5981197/
[13:39] <smartboyhw> (Next time I should NOT  be fooled:(...)
[13:41] <yofel> smartboyhw: ok, I know what happened
[13:41] <yofel> we indeed had the newer linphone, but Scott removed that from the archive because of debian bug 716855
[13:42] <yofel> that patch should really have an #ifdef with the version
[13:43] <shadeslayer> note that the patch is on bugzilla, it's just meant to be a stop gap measure and is not a 'real' patch :P
[13:45] <yofel> true
[13:46] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: something for the future, don't drop patches from bugzilla
[13:46] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, OK
[13:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: did you make use of the wifi dongle ? :P
[13:48] <shadeslayer> removing smartboyhw's patch makes it compile :)
[13:48] <yofel> not yet, I want to use it for the raspi, but I never actually get to move that
[13:48] <shadeslayer> heh, my raspi is currently in it's box
[13:48] <shadeslayer> might set it up once I move to the office
[13:49] <yofel> mine is running... doing nothing
[13:49] <shadeslayer> hehe
[13:49] <shadeslayer> I might use it to self host mykolab
[13:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://plus.google.com/photos/112529497463297468627/albums/5911300498495945937/5911300497362610162?pid=5911300497362610162&oid=112529497463297468627
[13:51] <yofel> what's that red hat doing there? :P
[13:52] <shadeslayer> that's what you noticed? I sort of noticed the gtk equivalent of kscreen :P
[13:52] <shadeslayer> *sort of first
[13:53] <yofel> i was wondering what that was, thanks for clearing that up (looked vaguely familiar ^^)
[13:55] <shadeslayer> well ... it *looks* like the gtk equivalent of kscreen, I'm not sure myself ;)
[13:55] <shadeslayer> kopete fixed in ppa/bzr
[13:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yofel (et. al): Deeply sorry for wasting your time:(
[13:56] <yofel> uh, didn't we just figure out that it's not your fault?
[13:56] <yofel> well, you could've known what caused it though
[13:56] <smartboyhw> yofel, yeah, that's why I have to apologise:(
[13:56] <yofel> in any case, nvm
[13:57] <smartboyhw> DAMN
[13:57] <smartboyhw> :P
[13:58]  * smartboyhw is making the linux-rt package while tracking on the aproaching typhoon...
[14:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: I know why marble is failing
[14:01] <shadeslayer> -- Installing: /build/buildd/marble-4.11.0a/debian/tmp/usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.0.16.0
[14:01] <shadeslayer> the regex is too old :P
[14:02] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: What IM are you using?
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, XChat
[14:03] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: I'm asking about input method selector
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, IBus？
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Why?
[14:03] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Is that a question or answer?
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, IBus is the answer, why is the question:P
[14:04] <Quintasan> Oh, I wanted someone competent (as in "I actually know what the hell I'm typing") to test fcitx with Chinese
[14:04] <Quintasan> While typing at random is generally a good test case for "Does it work" it's not good for anything else.
[14:05]  * smartboyhw likes IBus, sorry:P
[14:07] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Can you just give it a go?
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, no time sorry
[14:08] <Quintasan> Okay.
[14:17] <shadeslayer> 4.11 should be all fixed up
[14:18] <shadeslayer> be back later
[14:30] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Do you happen to know any Chinese Kubuntu users who could try fcitix for a while?
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, NO.
[14:31] <Quintasan> Ah well.
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, Chinese users will rather use UbuntuKylin now...
[14:42] <shadeslayer> you can't say that definitely
[14:42] <shadeslayer> what if the chinese secret agency is using Kubuntu everywhere
[14:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan doesn't want to piss them off
[14:48] <Quintasan> lol
[14:49] <Quintasan> toplel theory :D
[14:54] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you know that UbuntuKylin is actually developed by the governernment itself!?Q
[14:55] <shadeslayer> so ... UbuntuKylin spies on it's users, and if it's users are the secret service, the spy agency spies on itself? recursive spying? :D
[14:56] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, can't it?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> I wouldn't know the first thing about spying
[14:58] <yofel> spying on yourself is called making backups
[14:58] <smartboyhw> yofel, +1
[16:36] <Riddell> yofel: what's your current practice for symbols files on backports?
[16:37] <Riddell> I've always just deleted the symbols files on backports if they cause problems
[16:52] <Riddell> although it doesn't fail to build I'm getting confused by it being red on build_status page
[17:12] <yofel> Riddell: same here, the precise hook even does that. Should be added to the others too IMO
[17:37] <Riddell> cor, blue http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.0_precise.html
[18:55] <jussi> Riddell: you are awesome :D
[19:02]  * Riddell sits back in satisfaction of being awesome
[19:02] <Riddell> jussi: wait, what am I awesome for just now?
[19:34] <Riddell> sweet, setting up a network printer is just as easy as a local one
[19:34] <Riddell> trouble is easy doesn't include it pre-selecting the driver
[20:37] <Riddell> looks like sources are available http://download.kde.org/stable/4.11.0/src/
[20:38] <Riddell> any objections to uploading 4.11 tonight to saucy?
[20:38] <soee> nope :)
[20:39] <Riddell> raring needs a few more bits compiling then probably mable/nepomuk updated then testing
[20:39] <soee> also request for raring -.-
[20:39] <Riddell> precise needs lots more bits compiling
[20:39] <Riddell> soee: i386 is done if you want to test htat
[20:39] <Riddell> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.0_raring.html
[20:40] <soee> im on 64
[20:41] <Riddell> mostly done
[20:42] <soee> im here 2 more hours if its ready i can test, if not i can do it tomorrow
[21:49] <Riddell> damn ninjas is 15.3 GiB (100.00%) of 15.0 GiB
[22:11] <soee> ;]
[22:14] <yofel> it still has 4.10.5 for quantal, let me wipe that
[22:15] <yofel> though most of the space probably goes to old raring and precise packages


[08:56] <mwhudson> laney, tjaalton: i think the only thing that's different about the 1.18 snap (if you mean go) is that it's core20 based
[21:49] <mwhudson> a surprise +1 shift appears
[22:02] <Eickmeyer> mwhudson: Gotta catch 'em all
[23:01] <mwhudson> a surprise +1 on a USA sunday with devel frozen


[05:35] <shockingbehavur> having probs with gsm modem....it keeps dropping the connection....can someone assist me please


[03:41] <Logan_> Noskcaj: you want https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/utopic/xfce4-eyes-plugin/4.4.2/+merge/221146 sponsored/
[03:41] <Logan_> sxsponsored/xsponsored?x
[06:07] <Unit193> elfy: Just the person I needed.  Sorry I didn't catch you earlier, had to visit the doc and crap.
[06:08] <elfy> such is life
[06:10] <Unit193> So I presumed with core testing, we'd want to get it in first so we can use tasksel from the mini ISO, or install the meta without adding any extra repos.  I made the merge request and ochosi kindly reminded me that I should confirm this is how you'd prefer to go about testing this (I was going to wait on getting something installable before contacting you.)
[06:12] <elfy> yea that sounds right to me
[06:12] <elfy> I would think the best way is
[06:12] <elfy> 1 - get -core so tasksel sees it
[06:12] <elfy> 2 - do some double checks between us
[06:12] <elfy> 3 - let -testers know - those who are brave enough can then do it
[06:12] <elfy> 4 - I've still got people that might look elsewhere
[06:12] <elfy> does that make sense to you?
[06:13] <Unit193> All except 4, so sounds great and what I was aiming for.  Thanks!
[06:15] <elfy> \o/
[06:15] <Unit193> Oh, since ochosi isn't on IRC (connection problems), do you want to approve https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu-seed/+merge/221149 or want me to make a comment/
[06:16] <elfy> I can - bit like asking a blind man to check your expenses though
[06:19] <elfy> Unit193: is that what I think it is - adding core in so it's available for tasksel?
[06:20] <Unit193> Also how the xubuntu-core metapackage is created.
[06:20] <elfy> ok
[06:21] <elfy> done
[06:22] <Unit193> Thanks!  Want me to hit up trello with the plan?
[06:23] <Unit193> elfy: Sorry to sound stupid, but suite b?
[06:24] <elfy> the testcases need to be checked before we call
[06:25] <elfy> I assume you're looking at the package testcase card with the checklist
[06:25] <elfy> 6 testcases to check over before we call
[06:28] <Unit193> No I wasn't, OK.
[06:28] <elfy> why did you mention it then?
[06:28] <Unit193> https://trello.com/c/kKLiedUe/15-suite-b-call saw it was due soon.
[06:29] <Unit193> (I got this, I know what's going on.)
[06:30] <elfy> woohoo
[06:30] <elfy> so people look and it works \o/
[06:31] <Unit193> elfy: Sorry, I cheated. :(
[06:31] <Unit193> xubutrello: due soon
[06:31] <xubutrello>   ->  1. Suite B Call (id: 15) due: 2014-06-09 11:00:00 UTC from list: To Do 14.10
[06:31] <elfy> yep - I guessed :)
[06:31] <elfy> still you looked
[06:31] <elfy> now you know also that the testcases need to be checked :p
[06:32] <Unit193> Right.  Isn't lls going to change?
[06:33] <elfy> it is - but atm it hasn't - so we can only go with what we have
[06:33] <elfy> if it changes after then we can always ask people to test *that*
[06:33] <elfy> there's now a newer due date too :p
[06:34] <elfy> should make more sense with the previous one
[06:37] <Unit193> Mhmm, I see.
[10:06] <ochosi> elfy: i've been disconnected for a day or so, so i didn't see any reply wrt -core testing. i presume you +1-ing the merge request means that you wanna merge first, then test?
[10:07] <Unit193> Yes.
[10:08] <Unit193> ochosi: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/05/29/%23xubuntu-devel.html
[10:10] <gry> Hello. Skype, battery indicator, and goldendict go to 'indicator (unity)' applet. Notes and power indicator go to 'notification area' applet. Quassel icon goes nowhere. Would someone please package things properly and consistently? I am not using unity and do not need the 'indicator (unity)' applet.
[10:11] <gry> Where do I file bugs for that?
[10:19] <brainwash> gry: https://launchpad.net/
[10:23] <knome> ochosi, no
[10:24] <slickymasterWork> morning knome
[10:25] <knome> hey slickymasterWork
[10:44] <gry> brainwash: Bugs in what? In the packages which go to the wrong tray? And what application includes that 'indicator (unity)' applet - I think it shouldn't do that unless unity is installed?
[10:49] <brainwash> gry: you mean xfce4-indicator-plugin?
[10:50] <brainwash> if you don't want to use it, simply remove it from the panel
[22:54] <Unit193> knome: You're the assignee for "Attribute documentation translators" right? ;)  Can I just pass the short, proof of concept script I have and be done?
[22:54] <knome> of course you can ;)
[22:56] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/PgGsQsa9qy4dslpNuY4Q/ two different options, I think you remember them.  It pulls the lists of contributors, though of course is a tad hacky.
[23:01] <knome> yep, looks good.
[23:02] <Unit193> I of course can't do the html hackage, but any more help needed on whichever method slickymaster chooses, and I think I can likely help.
[23:03] <knome> do we want to inject the credits after converting to html?
[23:04] <Unit193> Like in the startpage process?
[23:04] <knome> well, yeah...
[23:04] <knome> because the other option is to mess with the xml.
[23:05] <Unit193> I think html is a better bet, no?
[23:05] <knome> i don't prefer either way
[23:05] <Unit193> Unless you would rather somehow do an #include.
[23:05] <knome> hmmh
[23:05] <knome> that might be a good option
[23:05] <knome> but the include would need to be dynamic
[23:06] <knome> well, actually not
[23:06] <knome> because we could just be sneaky and change the same file to other content
[23:07] <Unit193> Or re-generate it and remove. :P
[23:07] <knome> well, that
[23:07] <knome> but practically the same, since the index file could be static
[23:09] <knome> hmm, this looks promising
[23:16] <knome> for some reason, the included file must have one wrapping element or the XML parsing will fail
[23:16] <knome> but we can overcome that.
[23:17] <knome> ...i think
[23:18] <knome> hmm...
[23:20] <knome> Unit193, http://paste.openstack.org/show/Ij9D2RgY1KB6Cb5XpG0Z/
[23:20] <knome> that's the markup we need
[23:20] <knome> not too hard, eh?
[23:21] <knome> then in index.xml, something like this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/390DO9UEoWDKcGyOURTR/
[23:22] <knome> of course, it's a bit meh with the default language, because we can't revert the <para> so easily
[23:29] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/nVtJFesnc45w9aPj5Q1U/ there's the output.
[23:30] <knome> you need <itemizedlist> too
[23:30] <Unit193> Well yes, but that's the simple one.
[23:30] <knome> and we do not want the launchpad contibutors line.
[23:32] <Unit193> So, changed.  (Those were simple.)
[23:32] <knome> yeah
[23:32] <knome> that's the only thing we need from the included xml
[23:33] <knome> i'm also considering how we should word the <para>
[23:33] <knome> it might be a good idea to note that those people did not necessarily *translate* anything, but might have helped with the technical side or sth.
[23:33] <Unit193> Some output 'translator-credits', but no Language above the cutoff will do that.
[23:33] <Unit193> I don't get my name there anywhere. :(
[23:33] <Unit193> :P
[23:33] <knome> well the script could change that to "Unknown"
[23:34] <knome> what even creates that situation?
[23:34] <knome> only suggestions in LP?
[23:34] <knome> or things that need reviewing?
[23:34] <knome> because those aren't saved as translations in the .po files.
[23:34] <knome> which is... silly
[23:34] <knome> or they are fuzzy or something.
[23:34] <knome> i can't remember, it's too much time
[23:35] <knome> but there was something "meh" about it
[23:35] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/9IKKhGnExd2SjY0ZwrBw fixed!  Yeah, that's when there isn't any listed translators.
[23:35] <knome> d'oh!
[23:36] <knome> the start tag is without / ;)
[23:36] <Unit193> I know that. :P
[23:37] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/4VjQ9nQ0oApHx4mcSTbJ/ so that's really what it'd be.
[23:37] <knome> yyyyep
[23:37] <knome> that looks good.
[23:38] <knome> do you want to land the stuff in a branch?
[23:38] <knome> i can help with the missing bits, i sorted it out locally
[23:38] <Unit193> Are you really sure you want to commit something like http://paste.openstack.org/show/GCsmT8eQqgKMFcfd1lkw with so much sed? :P
[23:39] <knome> well,
[23:39] <knome> i don't know why sed would be so evil
[23:39] <knome> if it works for us
[23:39] <knome> i mostly just want this out.
[23:39] <knome> then, if people have suggestions how to improve it, do that.
[23:40] <Unit193> Want to drop the grep_creds, or fix it?
[23:40] <knome> but for now we don't have anything else, so either we put it out like this, and *have it*, or wait for somebody to come up with something "better", which might take a long time
[23:40] <knome> that just outputs?
[23:41] <Unit193> Right, it uses the grep feature rather than building then checking.  It's no faster, but may be cleaner.
[23:41] <knome> ah, right.
[23:41] <knome> i don't think i have a strong opinion
[23:41] <knome> fwiw, you can even leave it there
[23:41] <knome> if it's potentially helpful later
[23:42] <knome> just leave a note that it's not used
[23:44] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/niMrCLdTLtMhN2uO7YWA/ <<<
[23:44] <knome> looks good.
[23:44] <knome> what do you think about the placement of the translator credits?
[23:44] <knome> i was thinking after the documentation contributors, but before the contributors to the old docs
[23:45] <Unit193> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/ln-idp57636336.html Somewhere in here?
[23:45] <Unit193> Yep, exactly.
[23:45] <knome> yeah, then dump one of my pastes there
[23:45] <knome> and the next question:
[23:46] <knome> actually, nvm
[23:46] <knome> or, yeah...
[23:46] <knome> different POV:
[23:47] <knome> where do we need/want to create the temp xml file?
[23:48] <Unit193> Either the current working dir, desktop-guide/tmp/ or perhaps desktop-guide/libs/ ?
[23:48] <knome> current working dir is meh, because it's included related to the index.xml file.
[23:49] <knome> i was thinking libs, as long as it's cleaned and does not get copied to the installation :P
[23:49] <knome> tbh, it shouldn't matter too much where it is, again as long as it doesn't get left in the installation
[23:49] <Unit193> So here's the problem, does the build bail if the include file is missing?
[23:49] <knome> probably.
[23:49] <knome> but i'd guess you can just have an empty one.
[23:50] <knome> so touch that and delete for non-translator-languages
[23:50] <knome> hmm, no.
[23:50] <knome> boo
[23:51] <Unit193> Actually, I need to change that script to follow what I made translate.sh do.
[23:51] <Unit193> Oh, was I supposed to add my name as part of translate.sh's copyright header? :P
[23:52] <knome> as you said, we probably don't run into problems with "no translators", because those won't be built
[23:53] <knome> but you could just drop "No creditable translators" or sth
[23:53] <knome> (having an empty file fails the build, it expects to have some content...)
[23:54] <knome> i have a fancy idea.
[23:54] <knome> which would need more work
[23:54] <knome> but we could create start-translator-credits.xml
[23:54] <knome> which would *only* have the starting paragraph
[23:55] <knome> which would be translatable.
[23:55] <knome> then create the temp file, and *if* there was translators, include start-translator-credits.xml and list the translators.
[23:55] <knome> otherwise, show empty content
[23:56] <knome> which would solve the problem for the default language
[23:56] <knome> and no weird "these are the translators: none, haa-haa"


[10:35] <Meizirkki> hi
[10:36] <Meizirkki> What prevents one from using android kernel directly with ubuntu?
[10:36] <Meizirkki> on a tablet, for example
[10:37] <ogra_> nothing .... but you need to change the configuration
[10:37] <ogra_> and it shouldnt be to old for some options the userspcae needs
[10:37] <ogra_> (udev or upstart require some settings that are only there from certain versions on)
[10:38] <Meizirkki> so as long as the kernel source is available one could in theory boot ubuntu on any tablet?
[10:38] <ogra_> well ... theoretically
[10:39] <ogra_> android kernels usually have no support for consoles enabled ... if you are lucky the vendor included a driver but disabled it ... often there is no code at all for this ...
[10:39] <Meizirkki> hmm
[10:40] <ogra_> the issue with android kernels is that they usually are heavily hacked to get driver support in ... but in a way that possibly breaks building the kernel with other configs
[10:41] <ogra_> so its really depending on how good the vendor implementation is or if its just a bad hack on top of a mainline kernel or so
[10:41] <Meizirkki> okay
[10:43] <ogra_> and then there are indeed no xorg drivers for most of the tablets out there since android doesnt use X
[10:44] <Meizirkki> Yup I see.
[10:44] <Meizirkki> Will wayland work?
[10:44] <ogra_> dunno, mir will :)
[10:44] <Meizirkki> (isn't it what ubuntu touch is looking forward to using)
[10:44]  * Meizirkki googles mir
[10:45] <ogra_> no, ubuntu touch will use Mir
[10:45] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec
[10:45] <ogra_> its similar to wayland ... but different :)
[10:45]  * Meizirkki gets a bunch of submarines and space ships googling mir
[10:46] <ogra_> (there is an #ubuntu-mir channel)
[10:48] <Meizirkki> Thanks ogra_ :)
[11:01] <darkfader> Meizirkki: thanks for bringing ubuntu-on-android up, might help me solve my gps issue (if i dare try, that is)
[11:02] <Meizirkki> :)
[11:12] <aks_> hello all, i am working on beagleboard, i have installed ubuntu 11.04 image which was provided by vendor, now problem is i want to compile kerenl module for that but i m not able to get kerenl files in /lib/modules
[11:13] <aks_> even i not able to find source of that kernel
[11:13] <aks_> kernel version is 2.6.32
[11:24] <aks__> hello all,
[11:24] <aks__> i am working on beagleboard
[11:24] <aks__> i have installed ubuntu 11.04 image
[11:24] <aks__> on it which done not have kernel source
[11:25] <aks__> kernel version is 2.6.32
[11:25] <aks__> i want to compile kernel module
[11:25] <aks__> but i dont find kernel source image in installed image
[11:26] <aks__> so how can i do that
[19:44]  * Snark wonders if emacs runs on ubuntu-touch
[20:34] <pinportal_> hello, can I install Lubuntu in a CPU WM8650?
[20:36] <pinportal_> WM8650 = 600Mhz ARM926EJ-S processor
[20:37] <ogra_> nope, ubuntu (or lubuntu in that case) only supports ARMv7 and newer ... yours is a v5
[20:37] <ogra_> (see channel topic)
[20:54] <phillw> ogra_: thanks, I only know to send ARM questions here :) pinportal_ I have had a dig around, and it seems that debian sid should work, this is the link http://wm8650.net/index.php?newsid=444
[20:58] <darkfader> i think i ripped one of those out of a nas box, they had a "netbsd.bin" in their fw package
[20:58] <darkfader> but i never got up my spirit to hack at it
[21:02] <pinportal_> so I can install on WM8650 tablet?
[21:06] <k1l> pinportal_: no. no ubuntu
[21:16] <pinportal_> it is bad :(


[12:38] <abdul> i want to customize an ubantu 14.04 according to one operating system i m having with me
[12:38] <abdul> can any body can help
[12:38] <abdul> ??
[12:42] <abdul> appdevs
[12:47] <kalikiana> abdul: I don't understand the question. Are you working on an app?
[12:48] <abdul> i mean i am having an opoerating system uabntu 14.04 its name is ethos and i want to make same like ethos on ubantu 14.04 so can u assist me??
[12:49] <abdul> i have bought this system online so want to make in m own company name
[12:49] <abdul> hope u undertsand
[12:50] <ogra_> abdul, this is for app development on ubuntu, not sure anyone here has any idea about customizing install media or fresh installs etc
[12:51] <abdul> ok
[13:51] <renatu> hey guys who has a owncloud server that could test something for me?
[13:51] <renatu> I am trying to implement native support for owncloud, but I can not get my server configured correct
[13:52] <renatu> I am getting: [ERROR] error code from SyncEvolution operation not allowed (remote, status 405): PROPFIND: Neon error code 1: 405 Method Not Allowed
[13:52] <renatu> looks like I need to config something in appache to allow that
[13:58] <popey> renatu: you know there's a nextcloud snap? could install that for testing?
[13:58] <renatu> popey, how I can do that ? :D
[14:00] <popey> sudo snap install nextcloud
[14:00] <popey> iirc
[14:07] <renatu> popey, I have a owncloud server running, but looks like apache is blocking some methods necessary for syncevolution to discovery the databases
[14:07] <popey> aw
[14:07] <renatu> is working nice on myowncloud.com
[14:09] <renatu> I was hopping to find some apache expert to help me to configure that correct
[14:09] <popey> maybe speak to dan wood who made the owncloud sync app?
[14:09] <popey> he may have some experience
[14:17] <mcphail> renatu: i can share my nextcloud apache config file, if it helps. There's nothing fancy there, though, so it probably won't help
[14:18] <renatu> mcphail, could you try this command from your desktop: syncevolution --print-databases backend=caldav username=<user> password=<password> syncURL=<owncloud-server>
[14:20] <mcphail> renatu: i can try later, but I'm currently in a park...
[14:20] <renatu> mcphail, ok thanks
[14:22] <mcphail> renatu: you have switched off native dav in apache?
[14:23] <renatu> mcphail, yes, I tried with it on and off :D
[14:24] <mcphail> :)
[14:24] <renatu> mcphail, the web interface is working nice, only syncevolution and evolution app are failing to retrieve the calendar list
[14:24] <renatu> works if you use the full calendar url
[14:25] <mcphail> ok, I'll try to look later
[14:26] <seb128> I wonder if I'm the only one "priming" doesn't convey much sense to, I keep having to think about what that dir/step does
[14:26] <seb128> ups, wrong channel
[14:27] <popey> renatu: Dubstar_04 ^
[14:28] <Dubstar_04> renatu: popey said you had some questions regarding owncloud?
[14:28] <renatu> Dubstar_04, I am having problems listing the calendars using syncevolution
[14:29] <renatu> Dubstar_04, I am getting this error: PROPFIND: Neon error code 1: 405 Method Not Allowed
[14:29] <renatu> I believe that I need to configure something in apache
[14:30] <renatu> Dubstar_04,  could you try this command from your desktop: syncevolution --print-databases backend=caldav username=<user> password=<password> syncURL=<owncloud-server>
[14:40] <Dubstar_04> renatu, that works for me but you need to supply the complete url to the calendars.
[14:40] <Dubstar_04> try: https://www.MYSERVER.com^Cwncloud/remote.php/caldav/calendars/USERNAME
[14:40] <Dubstar_04> renatu: ^^
[14:40] <renatu> Dubstar_04, yes the same here. But it should work with the owncloud base url
[14:41] <renatu> Dubstar_04, which error do you get with the basic url?
[14:42] <renatu> Dubstar_04, it works with "https://my.owndrive.com/" service
[14:42] <Dubstar_04> try: https://www.MYSERVER.com/owncloud/remote.php/caldav/
[14:43] <Dubstar_04> renatu: without the full path i get. [ERROR] PROPFIND: Neon error code 1: 404 Not Found
[14:45] <renatu> with that? https://www.MYSERVER.com/owncloud/
[14:45] <Dubstar_04> renatu: its based on sabredav. some great documentation here: http://sabre.io/dav/building-a-caldav-client/
[14:46] <renatu> Dubstar_04, yeah works nice with  https://www.MYSERVER.com/owncloud/remote.php/caldav/
[14:46] <renatu> with  https://www.MYSERVER.com/owncloud I am getting 405 Method Not Allowed
[14:46] <Dubstar_04> renatu: does that suit your requirement?
[14:47] <renatu> Dubstar_04, yes I think I can hard code it to append: "remote.php/caldav/"
[14:48] <Dubstar_04> renatu: yeh thats what i do with the file sync and I don't believe anyone has had issues with it. (once that have managed to login)
[14:50] <renatu> Dubstar_04, thanks
[14:51] <Dubstar_04> renatu: np. if you want anything else ask popey to ping me.
[14:51] <popey> heh
[14:51] <popey> thanks Dubstar_04
[15:08] <mcphail> renatu: isn't there some trick like using base.url/well-known/caldav or something?
[15:08] <bfiller> Dubstar_04, we're getting close on calendar sync with owncloud through the calendar app :)
[15:09] <mcphail> bfiller: cool. Needs this!
[15:10] <bfiller> mcphail, we just finished google multi-calendar sync, now trying to get owncloud multi-calendar sync working
[15:10] <bfiller> almost there
[15:10] <mcphail> bfiller: great. I was jyst about to start investigating the command line method
[15:10] <renatu> mcphail, this is exactly what syncevolution try to do. It try to find for this path but the server is blocking it
[15:11] <Dubstar_04> bfiller: thats great news!!
[15:11] <mcphail> renatu: and mod_rewrite is enabled?
[15:11] <renatu> mcphail, yes
[15:12] <renatu> mcphail, is that working for you?
[15:12] <mcphail> renatu: i haven't tried yet as still out, but spotted the rewrite rule in .htaccess file
[15:14] <mcphail> renatu: have time to kill on my phone while daughter is on bouncy castle ;)
[15:14] <renatu> mcphail, you can use that command on your phone too
[15:19] <mcphail> renatu: i get a list of my calendars
[15:20] <renatu> mcphail, which url did you use?
[15:20] <mcphail> renatu: just my base url
[15:20] <renatu> mcphail, great, then you apache is configured correct.
[15:21] <renatu> mcphail, I would like to see you appache configuration
[15:21] <popey> :)
[15:21] <mcphail> renatu: http://termbin.com/7wq7
[15:23] <mcphail> renatu: nothing fancy
[15:23] <mcphail> renatu: but followed the nextcloud setup process (including changing permissions) to the letter
[15:24] <Dubstar_04> renatu: I will ask the guys in my owncloud telegram app to test it.
[15:24] <Dubstar_04> s/app/group
[15:24] <renatu> Dubstar_04, thanks
[15:33] <renatu> mcphail, yeah the only difference is that you are using ssl, I am using plain authentication
[15:34] <renatu> Dubstar_04, are you using ssl to?
[15:34] <Dubstar_04> yes
[15:35] <Dubstar_04> renatu: I need to pop out. I will email you once I have replies from people testing the commands. You're also welcome to join the group.
[15:35] <renatu> Dubstar_04, nice, thanks
[15:36] <renatu> Dubstar_04, @renato_filho
[15:36] <Dubstar_04> renatu: https://telegram.me/joinchat/BQHZRAiN_pnOeE4mT31YCQ
[15:36] <renatu> please add me there
[15:36] <renatu> ok
[15:36] <renatu> I will
[15:36] <renatu> thanks
[15:36] <Dubstar_04> np
[15:37] <renatu> mcphail, could you send me your .htaccess file?
[15:40] <mcphail> renatu: it is just the default: http://termbin.com/vr97


[05:36] <hans__> does lubuntu live come with openssh server?
[05:37] <krytarik> No, but you can install it there.
[05:39] <hans__> k, thanks
[05:52] <hans__> krytarik, can confirm, doesn't come but no problem to install post-boot
[16:06] <prince-charmant> Hello I need a linux specialist to tell me with a command list to on the harddisk using live-usb:
[16:06] <prince-charmant> How to create - a root "/" primary partition of 43 GB - a home "/home" secondary partition of 10 GB - a swap "/swap" secondary partition of 4GB  - and finally format all those in the correct format (mkfs or mkswap I don't know)
[16:07] <prince-charmant> We may go in private
[16:14] <leszek> prince-charmant: only on the command line? So no gparted to do this?
[16:15] <prince-charmant> leszek I did not know If I have gparted on the lubuntu-live-usb
[16:15] <leszek> you can always install it. But it should be there
[16:16] <prince-charmant> If I install it, he take all the disk in one partition and the swap is not a partition, just a file.
[16:17] <prince-charmant> I have tried gparterd now, It says that I cannot reduee the root partition when monunted - SO I unmount it, and after it did not permit me to touch on it
[16:18] <prince-charmant> not If I install it   - but If I install lubuntu on the hd
[16:19] <leszek> if you want to reinstall you can just remove all partitions
[16:19] <leszek> and create as new
[16:20] <prince-charmant> Yes, but how to create a root "/" primary partition of 43 GB - a home "/home" secondary partition of 10 GB - a swap "/swap" secondary partition of 4GB  - and finally format all those in the correct format (mkfs or mkswap I don't know)
[16:21] <prince-charmant> I am lost in all those commands that exist in linux
[16:22] <prince-charmant> gparted is able to create partition and format them in the correct format ?
[16:28] <prince-charmant> leszek, OK, I have gparted with the live-usb
[16:28] <leszek> prince-charmant: exactly
[16:28] <prince-charmant> could you help mu using it ?
[16:28] <leszek> you can choose which filesystem to use and gparted formats it then when clickin on apply
[16:30] <leszek> prince-charmant: if you have questions just ask. If you need a general overview you can try to look for videos on gparted on youtube
[16:34] <prince-charmant> OK, the root must be formatted as ext4 , the home as fat32 and the swap as linux-swap  ? Is that correct ?
[16:41] <prince-charmant> leszek, ok the root is shrinked as ext4 .... now I will create the /home ... must it be an ext4 or a fat32 ?
[16:42] <leszek> ext4
[16:42] <leszek> fat32 won't work
[16:48] <prince-charmant> leszek, thanks, should I label it "home" ?
[16:52] <leszek> prince-charmant: I would recommend it then it is easier to find later on even when booting other live systems and so on
[16:54] <prince-charmant> ok, so the next one I will label it swap and format it as linux-swap
[16:57] <prince-charmant> leszek, now gparted tell me about operations pending .. how to execute them ?
[16:57] <leszek> click the apply button
[17:10] <prince-charmant> leszek, now I have my 3 partitions formatted - I will try an instalaltion of lubuntu
[17:10] <leszek> :)
[17:10] <leszek> don't forget to select manual partitioning and choosing the partitions as / /home and swap
[17:21] <prince-charmant> leszek, too late :-)
[17:21] <leszek> hmm... xD
[17:21] <prince-charmant> should I cancel it ?
[17:22] <leszek> let it run and see if it did everything correctly otherwise you know how to reinstall now :)
[17:22] <prince-charmant> yes, many thanks
[17:22] <leszek> np :)
[17:31] <JohnDoe_71Rus> some times you don't need swap partition. you can use swap file
[17:36] <prince-charmant> yes, but I,prefer a partition in case of hibernation
[17:37] <prince-charmant> leszek, instalaltion finished, I have runned gparted using the live-usb and the two partitions home and swap did not have a mount-point
[17:37] <leszek> so it did not use them :P
[17:40] <prince-charmant> looks like this effectively - so I do it again from the beginning
[17:42] <JohnDoe_71Rus> What is the advantage of a swap partition in front of a file for hibernation?
[17:48] <JohnDoe_71Rus> for some time now the system does not reboot and does not turn off. Hangs after message will now halt.
[17:49] <JohnDoe_71Rus> but suspend or hibernate do correct power off
[17:49] <leszek> JohnDoe_71Rus: in live mode or installed? Might be syncing to disk stuff
[17:49] <JohnDoe_71Rus> installed, 14.04.5
[17:50] <leszek> if it does not shutdown try the magic sysreq keys and see if it was just a coincident or it happens all the time
[17:51] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://i.imgur.com/b3nOece.jpg before "will now halt" all unmount
[17:55] <leszek> JohnDoe_71Rus: could be also an acpi issue. Hard to tell though.
[17:57] <JohnDoe_71Rus> I do not know exactly when it started. But 12.04 worked correctly
[17:57] <JohnDoe_71Rus> and think 14.04 too
[18:32] <prince-charmant> leszek, many thanks YEAH ALL partitions I created are used "/" "home" and [swap]
[18:34] <leszek> nice :)
[19:20] <prince-charmant> I have another problem I cannot install my wifi-card , the system ask me the name "news.XXXXXX"    could you tell me what must be XXXXX ?
[20:07] <prince-charmant> is it normal that leafpad ask for a news server ?
[21:07] <ruby32> hi, how can I get involved, I want to contribute to Lubuntu
[21:10] <zleap> i guess start by subscribing to the developer list
[21:18] <ruby32> where's that? i found the phabricator
[21:18] <ruby32> by the way: the skippy-xd program install instructions on the main page doesn't work
[21:18] <ruby32> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/landronimirc/skippy-xd-daily/ubuntu artful Release' does not have a Release file.
[21:18] <ruby32> looks like it broke in 17.10
[21:22] <wxl> ruby32: lists.ubuntu.com/lubuntu-devel. see also #lubuntu-devel here
[21:23] <wxl> ruby32: re: any ppa, see the ppa developer for support. ppas are, in general, unsupported.
[21:23] <ruby32> i understand that -- just letting you know since the instructions are right on the main page of lubuntu.me and they are not working
[21:24] <ruby32> i'll forward the message to #lubuntu-devel
[21:28] <ruby32> i ended up building it from source


[06:54] <mborzecki> morning
[08:08] <pstolowski> morning
[08:15] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[09:17] <mup> PR snapd#9851 closed: o/snapshotstate: fix returning of snap names when duplicated snapshot is detected <Bug> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9851>
[09:27] <avn> Hello folks! What mean `cannot update snap namespace: cannot create writable mimic over "/": permission denied` when I use `bare` base snap?
[09:40] <pstolowski> avn: are you trying to use layouts at the same time?
[09:42] <avn> pstolowski: I'd like to have standalone  image, w/o base (with /nix properly bindmounted to root, if possible)
[09:42] <avn> If not, just make standalone image
[09:44] <avn> Someone on #snapcraft told me, that I need use `base: bare` stanza to have no depends
[10:07] <pstolowski> avn: right, that should work. in fact we have something like this run in our tests https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/tests/lib/snaps/test-snapd-busybox-static/snapcraft.yaml
[10:08] <pstolowski> avn: perhaps create a forum topic and paste your snap.yaml (or snapcraft.yaml) so we can take a look
[10:09] <pstolowski> (i've just run test-snapd-busybox-static, it's in the store, and got no errors)
[10:09] <avn> pstolowski: will take a look, ty.  I have snap.yaml only, because I have snap built by nix, not snapcraft
[10:09] <pstolowski> avn: yeah, that's fine
[10:11] <pstolowski> avn: for a quick sanity test, sudo snap install --beta test-snapd-busybox-static and see if it works on your system
[10:14] <mup> Bug #1912615 opened: Snapd refresh doesn't recover from connection interruption <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1912615>
[10:24] <pstolowski> degville: hey, while looking at 'base: bare' i noticed https://snapcraft.io/docs/base-snaps has a copy-paste error
[10:24] <pstolowski> (for bare:)
[10:25] <degville> pstolowski: oh, thanks for letting me know - I'll fix it now.
[10:47] <mup> PR snapd#9853 opened: api: validate against validation set assert from the store <Needs Samuele review> <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9853>
[11:31] <zyga> re
[11:31]  * zyga needs to tarball git snapd.git for ian
[11:32] <zyga> avn, hey
[11:33] <zyga> avn, it means that the bare snap - which has almost nothing in it
[11:33] <zyga> avn, is the foundation of your mount namespace
[11:33] <zyga> avn, and that your snap defines a layout that adds a new top-level directory (somewhere in /) that doesn't exist there
[11:33] <zyga> avn, so snap-update-ns goes belly up and gives up
[11:33] <zyga> avn, can you paste your layout section of the snap please?
[11:38] <avn> zyga: https://gist.github.com/avnik/43ba955c2d857fffe6d3cded9a684f74  (and I planned to use proot to pseudo-mount /srv/nix -> /nix, because /nix is blacklisted top-level now)
[11:39] <avn> so I need add empty directories, if I use bare?
[11:40]  * pstolowski bbiab
[11:42] <zyga> avn, not exactly, let me look at your file now
[11:42] <zyga> avn, I think the bare snap doesn't have /srv
[11:42] <zyga> one sec
[11:42] <zyga> correct
[11:42] <zyga> avn, do you absolutely need /srv/nix?
[11:43] <zyga> if so, please open a bug against bare or just ask mvo here, to add an empty directory to the 'bare' snap
[11:43] <zyga> and then once that is released
[11:43] <zyga> you should be good to go
[11:43] <avn> I am absolutely need /nix ;) so I can use /lib/nix and proot for example
[11:43] <zyga> for /nix that's a different story
[11:44] <zyga> perhaps nix should be a base, like bare but explicitly for nix work
[11:44] <zyga> you really just need a snap like bare with that extra directory
[11:44] <zyga> have a look (snap download bare) at the bare snap
[11:44] <zyga> it's rather simple
[11:44] <zyga> there's some required structure
[11:44] <zyga> but bare was meant to be empty
[11:44] <avn> we have nix-base in store, but it stop works after blacklisting top-level items
[11:44] <zyga> so I'm not sure mvo will be happy to add more
[11:45] <zyga> hmm? what do you mean by "it stops work after blacklisting top-level items"?
[11:46] <avn> error: cannot read snap file: layout "/nix" defines a new top-level directory "/nix"` (is with /nix come from nix-base)
[11:48] <zyga> avn, it's a bug in snapd
[11:48] <zyga> mborzecki, ^
[11:48] <zyga> mborzecki, in snap/validate.go:446 we should allow nix if the base is nix-base
[11:49] <zyga> mborzecki, can you work with avn on getting this fixed
[11:49] <zyga> nix-base was something that was brought up in Montreal a few years back
[11:49] <zyga> but I guess it's not tested as a working base
[11:49]  * zyga is off to his open harmony work now
[11:50] <avn> probably we need a issue (we have issue in nixpkgs, about makeSnap not work anymore, but we need need it in smapd ;))
[11:50] <avn> (and I willing to package snapd to nixos, so will ask some more questions later)
[11:51] <zyga> sure, thank you
[11:51]  * zyga is no longer working on snapd but is happy to help from the side
[11:53]  * zyga goes afk for a while
[12:03] <avn> `cannot update snap namespace: cannot create writable mimic over "/": permission denied` looks like I walking by cicle
[12:47] <mborzecki> avn: please open a forum topic and include the logs from `SNAPD_DEBUG=1 SNAP_CONFINE_DEBUG=1 snap run <snapapp>`
[13:50] <mup> Bug #1912639 opened: Snap installs don't reliably resume on network flakiness <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1912639>
[13:53] <mup> Bug #1912639 changed: Snap installs don't reliably resume on network flakiness <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1912639>
[15:53]  * cachio lunch
[17:19] <zyga> stgraber, is there a way to check if "lxd init" was done from command line somehow?
[17:20] <stgraber> zyga: check if you have a default profile with root and nic device, that's usually what you want when you want to check if init was run
[17:20] <zyga> stgraber, how would I check that?
[17:21] <zyga> lxc profle list?
[17:21] <stgraber> zyga: lxc profile show or lxc profile device list
[17:21] <zyga> thanks, that's exactly what I wanted
[17:21] <zyga> I want to improve spread UX when used with lxd
[17:21] <zyga> cheers, thank you!
[17:22] <stgraber> `lxd init` isn't special, all it does is let you create storage pools and networks and some other config through a single command, so it's usually best to check for what you actually want. If it's to have usable containers, then best check if the default profile has the basics setup :)
[17:23] <zyga> I think right now I just want to guide people with first contact with spread and lxd together
[17:23] <zyga> stgraber, are you presenting at fosdem?
[17:23] <stgraber> Yep
[17:24] <zyga> cool, looking forward to that :)
[17:49] <zyga> niemeyer, could you please look at https://github.com/snapcore/spread/pull/112 when you have a moment
[17:49] <mup> PR spread#112: Bump base version of go to 1.13 <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/spread/pull/112>
[17:54] <mup> PR snapd#9854 opened: gadget: pass sector size in to mkfs family of functions, use to select block sz <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9854>


[15:52] <bkerensa> Good Morning!
[15:54] <bkerensa> blkperl: have you and nathwill discussed a clear focus for the Ubuntu Jam/BSP?
[16:09] <blkperl> bkerensa: clear focus?
[16:16] <blkperl> bkerensa: hey i have an email from you :S
[16:16] <blkperl> if only i had checked my email 12 hours earlier