[00:15] <KingAres> is anyone there????
[00:16] <KingAres> hello...
[00:16] <bedpan> hey
[00:17] <bedpan> I ran across some shocking news about ubuntu
[00:17] <bedpan> would this apply to xubuntu also?
[00:17] <pmj> depends on the news?
[00:17] <bedpan> well i ran across it in google
[00:18] <bedpan> and it spoke about an ethnic theme
[00:18] <King> ASASASA
[00:18] <King> ANYONE THERE!!!!!!
[00:18] <bedpan> hey
[00:19] <bedpan> anybody know anything about this?
[00:19] <crimsun> LjL: preemptive, please.
[00:19] <crimsun> thanks, PriceChild.
[00:19] <LjL> crimsun: not in the access list, but luckily he was :)
[00:19] <King> can someone help to get xubuntu to connect to the internet???
[00:19] <PriceChild> King, give more information about your internet connection please. ethernet wireless.#
[00:20] <pmj> and please be more respectful and patient...
[00:21] <King> I believe its ethernet.........usin a MODEM which is connected to a router..........
[01:11] <CraZy675> quick question, does ktorrent work on xubuntu?
[01:12] <somerville32> CraZy675, You might have to pull in KDE dependencies
[01:13] <CraZy675> hmm maybe I'll try the gnome one
[01:13] <CraZy675> or is it same deal there
[01:14] <somerville32> That Azereus one is good
[01:14] <CraZy675> no azureus requires java which sucks up memory
[01:16] <CraZy675> i only have 192mb of ram
[01:16] <CraZy675> 128 i mean
[01:16] <mttr> how do you find xubuntu with that much memory (for speed )
[01:17] <mttr> looking for distro for old system
[01:18] <CraZy675> seems perfect to me
[01:18] <CraZy675> I was using DSL before but ubuntu is just easier
[01:18] <CraZy675> Damn Small Linux
[01:18] <mttr> well its not for me so ease of use is primary
[01:19] <CraZy675> yea xubuntu is cool so far
[01:19] <mttr> i notice that use xfs instead of ext3 seems to work better
[01:19] <CraZy675> just installed it 10 minutes ago
[01:20] <CraZy675> I don't notice
[01:20] <mttr> less drive trashing
[01:20] <CraZy675> this is just a old pc I have that Im leaving at my friends house to download torrents
[01:21] <CraZy675> so I need a torrent client and remote desktop
[01:21] <mttr> well that should do the trick
[01:21] <CraZy675> and i have a portable ext3 harddrive
[01:21] <CraZy675> usb 2.0
[01:21] <CraZy675> have not tried it yet
[01:23] <mttr> i have an old laptop that i want to install it on, but the cdrom is broken and doesn't support usb boot, so i'm in  bit of pickle
[01:24] <CraZy675> can't you boot from a floppy then use usb?
[01:27] <mttr> floppy is avail but getting to the usb after is the problem
[01:27] <CraZy675> ah I threw out all my floppies
[01:27] <CraZy675> kept one in my collectors items
[01:28] <mttr> i need some smart booter that will recognize the usb after
[01:29] <CraZy675> sounds like its not worth the trouble
[01:30] <CraZy675> PCs are only $400 from dell
[01:30] <CraZy675> laptops 700ish
[01:31] <CraZy675> oh I got ktorrent working
[01:31] <CraZy675> I just changed from the default server to a canadian one
[01:33] <mttr> yep.. i just hate throught out a laptop, althought the battery is also shot,, so only good as a terminal
[01:35] <aroo> Is there anyway to disable whatever extra desktop effects / desktop manager addons Xubuntu launches from a default install?
[01:35] <aroo> It seems like after going from 7.04 to 7.10, my boot time and desktop loading is a lot slower.
[01:36] <aroo> Noticeably so to the point of annoying.
[01:38] <mttr> well there should a services menu somewere
[01:39] <mttr> thinks like bluetooth etc could be turned off
[03:05] <erick_rauda> hi
[03:05] <erick_rauda> someone
[06:16] <mikubuntu> hola, guys.  i forgot how to find program location with the terminal... the program is sumi draw.  i tried whereis sumi draw and every variation i could think of but no output, can someone give me a hand?
[06:17] <mikubuntu> i want to put it into the menu
[06:19] <stone[no]> which sumi* or locate sumi* or find / -iname sumi* |grep bin/
[06:19] <fiyawerx> hey guys, is anyone here also in xfce? Don't think I've ever even been in there but it's telling me I'm banned when I try to join
[06:51] <mikubuntu> hola, guys.  i forgot how to find program location with the terminal... the program is sumi draw.  i tried whereis sumi draw and every variation i could think of but no output, can someone give me a hand?
[06:51] <mikubuntu> i want to put it into the menu
[06:53] <zoredache_> what was the name of the package?
[06:54] <zoredache> sometimes if a packages is particularly annoying you can just list the contents of the files that got installed
[06:55] <zoredache> for example a 'dpkg -L lynx' shows me everything that came with lynx
[06:58] <mikubuntu> ok, i did locate sumi and got this: mikubuntu@ubuntu:~$ locate sumi
[06:58] <mikubuntu> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/kasumi.desktop
[06:58] <mikubuntu> /usr/share/app-install/icons/kasumi.png
[06:58] <mikubuntu> what part do i want to enter as command for menu?
[07:00] <fiyawerx> wow, I have to say, now that I've been on an xfce kick, xubuntu might bring me back the *buntu fold, im impressed
[10:09] <kallepersson> Hi! I have a laptop running Xubuntu, anyone knows how to set its energy saving settings?
[10:10] <kallepersson> It goes down into hibernation after a while running on battery and I don't want that.
[10:10] <kallepersson> (Because after waking it up the mouse/kbd totally freeze, but that's not my main problem)
[11:31] <kallepersson> Isn
[11:32] <kallepersson> Isn't laptop users using Xubuntu?
[11:33] <scizzo-> some are
[11:34] <kallepersson> scizzo-: Are you? If so, have you experienced my problem as well?
[11:36] <scizzo-> no I am using a normal workstation.....
[11:36] <flox> kallepersson: which problem? i use xubuntu daily on my laptop
[11:37] <kallepersson> flox: <kallepersson> Hi! I have a laptop running Xubuntu, anyone knows how to set its energy saving settings?
 It goes down into hibernation after a while running on battery and I don't want that.
 (Because after waking it up the mouse/kbd totally freeze, but that's not my main problem)
[11:37] <flox> i disabled hibernation, bec it does not work on my laptop
[11:38] <flox> i do not remembre, i have to look
[11:38] <kallepersson> I'd like to disable hibernation as well
[11:42] <flox> kallepersson: maybe try to edit file /etc/default/acpi-support
[11:42] <flox> there you find some options
[11:43] <kallepersson> flox: will try, thanks
[11:43] <kallepersson> XFCE is really nice.
[11:43] <flox> yes, I use it since the beginning on my laptop (1 year ago)
[11:44] <kallepersson> The Tango icons on the desktop is also a very nice addition.
[11:44] <kallepersson> I use it on an old laptop from '96
[11:44] <flox> I use Rodent icons
[11:44] <kallepersson> Oh
[11:44] <flox> but Tango are good, too
[11:45] <kallepersson> IIRC it was you Buntu guys who put them in XFCE in the first place
[11:46] <kallepersson> The compositioning stuff is also neat
[12:18] <kallepersson> flox: seems to work now... thanks! :-)
[12:19] <flox> kallepersson: great. have a nice day
[12:19] <kallepersson> You too!
[12:24] <kallepersson> flox: damn! didn't work >_<
[12:25] <kallepersson> It "shuts down" (suspended i guess) after a while and when I restart it screen is frozen
[12:26] <flox> you disabled both ACPI_HIBERNATE and ACPI_SLEEP ?
[12:26] <flox> in the config file
[12:27] <kallepersson> yes
[12:27] <kallepersson> both
[12:27] <kallepersson> and some extra options
[12:27] <flox> ...
[12:27] <kallepersson> Do I need to do something else?
[12:28] <kallepersson> The extra options weren't anything that could interfere.
[12:29] <flox> $ cat /var/log/acpid |grep acpi|tail
[12:29] <flox> to see last ACPI events
[12:29] <flox> and watch if some "suspend" or "hibernate" has been triggered
[12:29] <kallepersson> thx
[12:30] <flox> (i guess you have rebooted your PC after changing the options in /etc)
[12:30] <kallepersson> yes
[12:31] <flox> if you do not want to see all "power.sh" events:
[12:32] <flox> cat /var/log/acpid |grep acpi|grep -v power
[12:33] <kallepersson> um
[12:34] <kallepersson> seems like i haven't got any /var/log/acpid
[12:35] <flox> mmm ok
[12:36] <kallepersson> locate acpid doesn't tell me anything useful either
[12:37] <kallepersson> oh well
[12:37] <kallepersson> thanks for the help, I'll do a search on google about it
[12:37] <flox> kallepersson: some packages are not installed ?
[12:38] <flox> or acpi is not running
[12:38] <kallepersson> Just a standard xubuntu install
[12:38] <flox> kallepersson: mine is an upgraded xubuntu (from edgy)
[12:38] <flox> with some tuning
[12:38] <kallepersson> Ooh... I tried to run acpi -> No ACPI support in kernel, or incorrect path ("/proc/acpi")
[12:44] <flox> kallepersson: this is an old laptop ?
[12:44] <kallepersson> Yes
[12:44] <kallepersson> from '96 or something
[12:45] <flox> you have to force acpi if you need it
[12:46] <flox> found info on this page:
[12:46] <flox> http://entropicblur.com/dectop/guide.html
[12:46] <flox> (search for ACPI)
[12:48] <march> Hi :) I've got two questions concerning Xubuntu 7.10.
[12:48] <march> 1. While booting my system the display of my notebook turns on/off a few times. I think that this isn't very good for my display. What can I do to eliminate this?
[12:48] <march> 2. Sometimes I've got systemfreezes. Mostly after working with Xubuntu for a few hours. My hardware is all right. So where is the mistake?
[12:48] <march> I've searched the web - mostly german pages - but haven't found a solution right now. Perhaps I've used the wrong keywords 'cause english isn't my mother-tongue.
[12:50] <TheSheep> march: do you have a splash screen displayed when you're booting?
[12:50] <TheSheep> march: with a progress bar and stuff
[12:50] <march> Yes - the splash is displayed. ALso the progress bar
[12:51] <TheSheep> march: when is the screen disabled?
[12:51] <march> When the progress bar is displayed - twice. While loading the gdm also twice.
[12:53] <TheSheep> march: what graphics card do you have?
[12:54] <flox> march: for point 2, look if swap is enabled
[12:54] <flox> $ cat /proc/swaps
[12:54] <march> swap is enebled
[12:55] <march> "/dev/sda5                               partition       3004112 0       -1"
[12:55] <march> Graphic card: Intel® GMA 900
[12:55] <flox> march: does the freeze happen when you let your laptop alone ?
[12:56] <TheSheep> march: also, check 'dmesg' for any suspicious error messages
[12:56] <flox> i experienced some freeze when it try to suspend or hibernate
[12:56] <march> No - it happens mostly after a few hours while surfing the web. It dosn't matter which application is running
[12:58] <march> my dmesg: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/28797/
[13:00] <TheSheep> march: I will give you a web address to open in your firefox. it only contains a single very long line. See if it crashes your system. There was a bug in firefox that did that on some graphics cards.
[13:00] <march> Found: PCI Interrupt Link / iomem range 0x0-0x9ffff could not be reserved
[13:00] <TheSheep> march: save your all work before opening it
[13:00] <march> Thank you :)
[13:00] <TheSheep> march: http://atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl/~sheep/test.html
[13:01] <march> System still running
[13:02] <TheSheep> march: that's good :)
[13:02] <TheSheep> march: your dmesg looks good too
[13:03] <march> Then where might be the mistake?
[13:04] <march> There are no signs before my system freezes.
[13:04] <flox> no memory load? or CPU loa?
[13:04] <flox> load
[13:05] <march> Hardware seems to be OK. Nothing out of the ordinary.
[13:08] <flox> march: you choose the "intel" driver, not the "i810" one ?
[13:09] <march> intel is chosen
[13:11] <flox> it is a new notebook? how long it takes before to freeze ?
[13:12] <march> Normally it takes about 6 or 7 hours. Sometimes (very rarely) several minutes
[13:12] <march> It's this one: http://de.computers.toshiba-europe.com/cgi-bin/ToshibaCSG/jsp/productPage.do?service=DE&PRODUCT_ID=133118&toshibaShop=false
[13:13] <march> A few things I've already solved as you can read in our wiki: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Toshiba_Satellite_L40
[13:13] <flox> I have a Toshiba, too :p
[13:13] <TheSheep> march: have you run the memtest?
[13:13] <TheSheep> ran
[13:13] <march> Yes - everything OK
[13:14] <TheSheep> if there were any problems with disk, they would show in the dmesg
[13:15] <TheSheep> march: maybe you can try and use the i810 driver
[13:15] <TheSheep> march: run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' to change it
[13:15] <march> OK - I'll try this. :)
[13:16] <march> What means " ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initramfs... error, file /DSDT.aml not found." in Line 101 of my dmesg?
[13:18] <TheSheep> "DSDT stands for Differentiated System Description Table. It is a part of the ACPI specification and it supplies configuration information about a base system."
[13:19] <TheSheep> from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSDT#DSDT_.28Differentiated_System_Description_Table.29
[13:20] <TheSheep> march: maybe rebuilding the initrd would get rid of it
[13:21] <TheSheep> march: you can do it with 'sudo  dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)'
[13:23] <march> TheSheep: Thank you very much - I'll try this. I also found an article in our wiki concerning how to fix ACPI - maybe this helps too
[13:46] <march> reboot ;)
[13:59] <march> I've made all changes. I'll report if it works. Thanks :D
[17:26] <schlumpf-> hi with what programm can i open .rar files?
[17:27] <schlumpf-> *open and unpach ofcourse :)
[17:27] <TheSheep> schlumpf-: with file roller, you just need to install the 'unrar' or 'rar' packages before that
[17:27] <TheSheep> !info rar
[17:27] <ubotu> rar: Archiver for .rar files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.7b1-2 (gutsy), package size 494 kB, installed size 1012 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[17:29] <schlumpf-> thank you TheSheep
[17:29] <TheSheep> schlumpf-: you need to enable the multiverse repository in software sources
[17:30] <schlumpf-> i just dl that unrar package
[17:30] <schlumpf-> works fine
[18:10] <sancas> hola
[18:10] <sancas> alguien aqui ha podido reproducir
[18:10] <sancas> videos .avi en el xface media?¿???¿
[18:11] <TheSheep> !po
[18:11] <sancas> me podrias decir como?¿?¿?¿
[18:11] <TheSheep> !br
[18:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about po - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:11] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[18:12] <sancas> this is chanel in english?¿?¿?¿?
[18:12] <TheSheep> yes
[18:12] <sancas> oooo
[18:12] <sancas> ok
[18:12] <TheSheep> our Portugese is really bad
[18:12] <sancas> i dont have speak portuges
[18:13] <sancas> englis + our -
[18:14] <sancas> Anyone here able to play videos
[18:14] <sancas> In the half xface Should I
[18:15] <TheSheep> !codecs | sancas
[18:15] <ubotu> sancas: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:16] <sancas> ok thanks ubotu TheSheep I codecs that are useful??¿??¿
[18:17] <march> TheSheep: Thanks it worked. Display isn't turned off several times while booting the system :)
[18:19] <TheSheep> billy_idle: thanks
[18:19] <TheSheep> billy_idle: if you change your nick on away automatically, it would be better if you disabled it, it's not allowed on ubuntu channels
[18:19] <TheSheep> billy_idle: sorry about that
[18:19] <sancas> ubotu: I enter this https:/ /help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats page but ... I want to know whether all codecs are compatible with xfcmedia ?¿?¿?
[18:19] <billy_idle> ok
[18:19] <TheSheep> march: jsut use /away instead :)
[18:20] <TheSheep> just
[18:20] <TheSheep> sancas: xfmedia uses xine
[18:20] <TheSheep> sancas: as the backend
[18:21] <sancas> Aaaaaa but ... I have never used the backend
[18:21] <TheSheep> sancas: xfmedia uses ixine internally to play the videos
[18:21] <TheSheep> xine
[18:22] <TheSheep> sancas: so you only need to install the codecs for xine, and maybe the w32codecs
[18:22] <sancas> Ok let me try to have it pass
[18:22] <TheSheep> !w32codecs | sancas
[18:22] <ubotu> sancas: The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[18:24] <sancas> Ok because I am going to try.
[18:24] <sancas>
[18:24] <sancas>  Sorry if I slow to respond but ... I am using the google translator that not much English
[18:25] <gunashekar> continue sancas
[18:26]  * TheSheep woders why people reboot after installing packages
[18:26] <TheSheep> wonders even
[18:27] <gunashekar> an old habit
[18:29]  * march is missing the blue screen - an old habbit too ;)
[18:31]  * gunashekar missing the excitement of hunting spyware and viruses
[18:38] <TheSheep> march: there is a screensaver with bsod
[18:39] <Ramla> lots of different error screens actually. i quite liked it
[18:39] <march> I know :)
[18:40] <march> Blue screen of death :)
[19:24] <matt1> hi
[19:24] <matt1> can anyone help me?
[19:25] <gunashekar> !question
[19:25] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[19:27] <matt1> how'd to set up vnc4server on xubuntu
[19:27] <matt1> how
[19:28] <gunashekar> matt1: I guess , the same way you would on ubuntu http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197964
[19:30] <gunashekar> matt1: http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-remote-desktop-with-vnc4server.html
[19:31] <matt1> yes i have done all that and recieve the error unable to open display ""
[19:32] <gunashekar> matt1: hope you find someone with the right expperience!
[19:32] <matt1> doh
[19:54] <onesojourner> when I press the power button on my mythbuntu machine it goes through a nomrall shutdown procedure. Is there a way that I can make is suspend instead? I would also like it to auto log back in, instead of asking for the user name and password.
[20:10] <onesojourner> when I press the power button on my mythbuntu machine it goes through a nomrall shutdown procedure. Is there a way that I can make is suspend instead? I would also like it to auto log back in, instead of asking for the user name and password.
[20:20] <maristo> !video
[20:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[20:20] <maristo> hello
[20:20] <maristo> !codecs
[20:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[20:21] <maristo> !totem
[20:21] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[20:33] <zappZapp> hoi girls n guys, i've been here yesterday asking for help with my als300+ sound chip which i couldn't get to work and helping a few others with network problems
[20:33] <zappZapp> now i got the card to play some sound but sounds more like an old tape being played to slow. using alsa-1.0.15 build from source, any one know about this issue?
[20:40] <TheSheep> zappZapp: btw, you could ask on ubuntu too, it's the same at the kernel level
[20:43] <zappZapp> theSheep: okay i will do this, i put up a post on the forums now aswell
[20:48] <maristo> hello
[20:48] <maristo> what package i have to install to play video by Totem en Xubuntu 7.10?
[20:50] <TheSheep> !codecs | maristo
[20:50] <ubotu> maristo: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[20:52] <maristo> :)
[20:59] <Artemis_> hey guys, i have a problem with my new xubuntu 7.10 bistro.
[21:01] <Artemis_> i have an adsl router (telindus 1131). i connected via ethernet or usb. i get a message about white network but i can't connect on the net
[21:02] <Artemis_> i can ping any adress internet or local. i can not connect on gaim to
[21:02] <Artemis_> i am new at linux. plz help :/
[21:03] <zoredache> does your web browser work?
[21:04] <Artemis_> i can view my router's page (http://<IP_ADDRESS>) but i can't view any other internet page
[21:04] <Artemis_> my router is connected on the internet
[21:04] <Artemis_> pages*
[21:05] <zoredache> when you setup your router did you set some kind of filter by ip or mac address?
[21:05] <Artemis_> no
[21:05] <march> hardware firewall?
[21:06] <Artemis_> what do you mean? almost every router has a hardware firewall
[21:09] <march> I'll try in english...
[21:10] <Artemis_> my problem is that i can ping for example www.google.com but i can;t visit it :-/
[21:11] <march> Have you activated your routers firewall? All necessary ports given?
[21:11] <march> Mac filter activated?
[21:11] <Artemis_> yeah, it worked fine on xp
[21:12] <Artemis_> no, disabled
[21:12] <march> (Sorry for my bad english. It is quite difficult for me to describe technical things in english.)
[21:13] <Artemis_> no prob, my english is bad too:p
[21:13] <Artemis_> are you greek? in any case xD
[21:15] <march> german :)
[21:15] <Artemis_> here in greece there is an isp provider giving these telindus routers and by doing some search on google i ve found some guys with the same problem (using telindus router). they said that they finally sold it but they didn;t say how
[21:16] <Artemis_> solved*
[21:16] <Artemis_> oh i can speak german too
[21:16] <Artemis_> lass uns auf deutsch srpechen
[21:16] <Artemis_> sprechen*
[21:17] <march> I think this would be impolite in an english channel.
[21:17] <Artemis_> oh ok, then english xD
[21:18] <march> I'll try my very best ;)
[21:19] <march> Perhaps there is a new firmware on the providers homepage?
[21:19] <retour> Hi all! I have xubuntu with nvidia restricted driver. How to change referesh rate or execute nvidia-configurator etc??? 60Hz kills my eyes
[21:20] <Artemis_> no there isnt
[21:20] <Artemis_> :/
[21:21] <soldats> you can change it in the xorg.conf
[21:21] <soldats> just the basics though
[21:23] <march> Is your router available from another vendor?
[21:23] <march> My greek isn't the very best and most pages I found via google are greek :)
[21:23] <Artemis_> yes it is
[21:25] <march> http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Telindus/1131/Echolink.htm
[21:28] <march> Are you using usb with it Artemis_?
[21:28] <Artemis_> how can port forwarding help me? :/
[21:28] <Artemis_> ethernet
[21:29] <retour> soldats: thank you. I have xorg.conf opened. There is a line with all modes like "1024x768" but where and what to add to force it to be 85Hz refresh rate at this mode???
[21:30] <gtlarue> I'm on an eexubuntu, and I am having problems installing flash, I am following a postes solution, and up to the line where it installs nspluginwrapper, it works, but it seems that nspluginwrapper is not available to install
[21:31] <march> Did it work before? Have you changed any options?
[21:31] <gtlarue> flash never worked, there are several forum threds with these little guides on how to make it work
[21:31] <gtlarue> but they all rely on this nspluginwrapper
[21:32] <gtlarue> and apt is saying there is none
[21:32] <soldats> retour,  there should be a mode section with the refresh rate. theres also a section for the refresh rate span like 50 - 100 but in the mode section set it to 85, if you cant find it try googling set refresh rate ubuntu.
[21:32] <gtlarue> err, whoops, I ned that question was aimed at somebody else
[21:32] <soldats> gtlarue, go to the adobe page and download the tar.gz and install freom there, have you tried that
[21:33] <gtlarue> yeah, tried that
[21:33] <soldats> strange
[21:33] <Artemis_> i haben't changed anything, and it never worked =/ but with xp i can connect normaly to the internet
[21:33] <march> I meant Artemis_ :)
[21:33] <Artemis_> haven*
[21:34] <retour> soldats: OK! thanks I will try "1024x768, 85" hope it will work
[21:35] <soldats> consult google as well though for configuring Xorg
[21:35] <march> That's odd
[21:36] <Artemis_> i agree
[21:38] <Artemis_> as i said, i can visit my router's page with 0% loss, but i can't visit any other pages
[21:38] <soldats> thats the wierdest problem, normally when you cant connect to any pages you cant to connect to the router
[21:39] <soldats> try  a router reset to default it then restart the modem and plug in the router again.
[21:40] <Artemis_> i ve done it, but nothing changed
[21:40] <march> Are you using DHCP?
[21:41] <soldats> are you being assigned an ip address
[21:41] <gtlarue> what is the installation path of the mozilla, Netscape, or Opera browser?
[21:41] <soldats> ~/.mozilla
[21:41] <gtlarue> the flash installer asks me and I dont know what to answer
[21:42] <Artemis_> yes
[21:42] <Artemis_> i am using dhcp
[21:43] <Artemis_> maybe my problem doesn't have a solution xD
[21:43] <march> On my System I'd problems while using dhcp. Try to give your PC a static adress - hope this will help.
[21:44] <sancas> I would like to know how to install themes in my xubuntu ?¿¿¿??? Graphic mode if it can be but ... But pure terminal
[21:44] <Artemis_> how can i give a static adress to my pc? i suck at pc-things;p
[21:46] <Artemis_> anyway, thanks guys for the help. hope i will solve the problem. if not, i'll be back again xD
[21:46] <march> Artemis_: I only found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=336073
[21:48] <Artemis_> yes i ve seen it, and went to the link he gaved at the end, but the thread has somehow dissapeard:/
[21:48] <march> Two threads linked to this page. Said that there problem with tel* are solved
[21:48] <march> Ohh - frag
[21:49] <Artemis_> and th 2nd link is not the same problem
[21:49] <march> On german pages I haven't found any solutions concerning your problem. Sorry for that :(
[21:50] <Artemis_> and if i try to give the command  sudo gedit /etc/solv.conf(or something else, dont remember it right now) it will not recognise the "gedit" :/
[21:51] <march> gedit is an editor
[21:51] <march> use mousepad instead of gedit
[21:51] <Artemis_> the same command with mousepad instead of gedit?
[21:52] <march> yep
[21:53]  * march is back in a few minutes
[22:28] <march> goodnight :)
[22:46] <soulroot> hi(gh)
[22:49] <soulroot> anyone know if i can transfer my files (37GB) onto an old windows desktop and then when i switch my laptop over to Xubuntu will be able to transfer them back? was thinking ethernet cable..
[22:50] <soulroot> i don't want to switch and not have my music, etc
[22:51] <soulroot> 70 ppl, no ideas?
[22:51] <soulroot> day 2 xubuntu here, would like to get off this damned xp by tomorrow
[22:54] <soulroot> hello?
[22:56] <soulroot> ok, i am trying to preserve my files for the change over to xubuntu, does anyone know if i can make an ethernet connection and get my 37gb back off of an old desktop with xp running once i reformat this laptop i'm typing on with xubuntu?
[22:57] <zoredache> sure, why do you think you wouldn't be able to do that?
[22:57] <penos> zoredache: stop being childish
[22:57] <soulroot> compatability
[22:57] <soulroot> i imagine a can
[22:58] <soulroot> will i need a new program or something for the link to the windows box?
[22:58] <zoredache> well if you want to do yoru transfer from the linux host then you are probably going to need to get an smbclient running
[22:58] <zoredache> or smbfs
[22:59] <zoredache> if you want to transfer from the windows box, then all you should have to do is install the openssh-server on the linux box, then use filezilla/winscp to move stuff back and forth
[23:00] <zoredache> ssh is probably a lot easier, but it will be slower
[23:00] <soulroot> yeah, didn't think of wireless cause the old windows box has only wired ethernet
[23:01] <soulroot> though if i hook it up to the modem's port, could i then get to it wirelessly? with winscp equivalent
[23:02] <zoredache> sorry?  you lost me.  Whats this about wireless, and modems?
[23:02] <soulroot> heh, sry
[23:03] <imcsk8> hello, i want to install xubuntu on a ibook. is there any iso image around for 7.10??
[23:04] <soulroot> i have a laptop which will be using xubuntu tomorrow, can i connect to my internet via my wireless dsl and access the files on my other computer (an old windows box running xp that has no wireless card, but DOES have an ethernet port)
[23:05] <soulroot> ..from the xubuntu laptop
[23:06] <zoredache> soulroot: if that wireless dsl router has the wireless interface on the same layer 2 network as the windows box, then yes
[23:07] <zoredache> the windows box is connected to a ethernet port on the 'inside' of the wireless router?
[23:08] <soulroot> um..the dsl router has a few ethernet ports on the back
[23:08] <soulroot> and the windows box has an ethernet card for highspeed but not wireless
[23:08] <zoredache> what is the windows box connected to?
[23:09] <soulroot> it will connect to my modem (you called it a wireless router)
[23:10] <soulroot> right now it's connected to the dust in my junk closet, hah
[23:10] <zoredache> it sounds like it should work.  If you are transfering a lot of stuff (sounds like you are), you really should get the laptop a wired connection though
[23:11] <soulroot> oh, it has one
[23:11] <soulroot> u said wireless would be best. but yeah so i could just throw a ethernet cable between the two boxes then
[23:11] <soulroot> cool
[23:12] <zoredache> I don't believe I said wireless would be best...
[23:12] <soulroot> is there anything built into Xu7.10 that could manage the transfer? u mentioned smb..
[23:12] <soulroot> sorry, didn't mean to misinterpret/quote
[23:13] <soulroot> ..mis-paraphrase-ify
[23:13] <zoredache> if you want to transfer files from the linux box to the windows box then you would need want to install smbfs, and connect to a shared folder on the windows box
[23:14] <soulroot> ok, thanks pal i appreciate the help
[23:14] <zoredache> if you where on the windows box, and you wanted to pull the files from the linux box, then you could install an ssh server onto the linux box, then use filezilla/winscp
[23:14] <soulroot> oh, i thought ssh was for wireless?
[23:15] <soulroot> i use it with my unlocked iphone
[23:15] <zoredache> no.  ssh is a remote shell protocol
[23:15] <zoredache> it can be used for lots of neat things.  It can be a file server (SSH-FTP), it can be used for creating vpns, it can be used to get a remote terminal on a host
[23:16] <soulroot> right on
[23:16] <soulroot> i am familiar with winscp, it reminds me of the old unix stuff i messed with to ftp files back in the 90's
[23:17] <soulroot> wheni made stupid html webpages
[23:17] <zoredache> so, anyway I was saying, on your ubuntu box, you would do a (sudo apt-get install openssh-server).,. on your windows client you would use winscp, and simply connect to the ip address of your laptop
[23:17] <soulroot> ok
[23:17] <soulroot> thank you
[23:18] <SportGuy> soulroot: thank you
[23:18] <soulroot> ?
[23:21] <soulroot> see you all on the other side =) zoredache, peace and take care
[23:39] <squirrelpimp> hi
[23:40] <squirrelpimp> i'm looking for an universal editor for xubuntu/gtk, possibly as versatile as the eclipse-ide but faster for editing single files, but not as complicated to handle as vim
[23:40] <zoredache> squirrelpimp: I really like scite
[23:41] <squirrelpimp> i used to use vim, but programming in eclipse got me used to its shortcuts and made me uncomfortable using vim
[23:41] <squirrelpimp> i stopped typing :w in eclipse and started pressing strg+s in vim
[23:41] <squirrelpimp> :)
[23:41] <squirrelpimp> zoredache: thanks, i'll have a look at it
[23:41] <squirrelpimp> i found gedit, but it looks very basic and simple
[23:41] <zoredache> an sudo apt-get install scite sould get it for you
[23:42] <squirrelpimp> zoredache: yeah, i hoped to do that next
[23:42] <squirrelpimp> :)
[23:43] <squirrelpimp> hehe... ctrl+d deletes a line in eclipse but doubles it in scite
[23:43] <squirrelpimp> :)
[23:44] <zoredache> there is a lot of things you can change in the configuration.  That may include remapping what keys do what
[23:44] <squirrelpimp> i'll have a look at that
[23:44] <squirrelpimp> usually i prefer to not change keymappings however, as i have well-known tools on every pc then
[23:45] <zoredache> ah, scite is nice because it multiplatform.  If you need to edit from windows you can use the same editor that you use on your linux host
[23:45] <squirrelpimp> nice
[23:47] <squirrelpimp> oh, it uses config-files... i like that


[00:01] <blackboxsw> right I guess if all interfaces dhcp, we would drop the dns on the floor in those cases
[00:02] <rharper> yes
[00:02] <rharper> expecting dhcp to provide the dns
[00:04] <blackboxsw> right, ok that seems reasonable
[00:06] <blackboxsw> so rharper sound reasonable to emit a warning then during network_data.json -> v2 conversion if we have global dns and no applicable interfaces?
[00:07] <blackboxsw> at least it points to an impossible config presented to the instance
[00:09] <rharper> blackboxsw: yeah, I think if we din we have dns in services, but no interface to attach it to, then a warning makes sense
[00:19] <blackboxsw> ok will do
[00:19] <blackboxsw> thx
[01:10] <smoser> bug 1841697 probably needs attention
[01:15] <rharper> db_get cloud-init/datasources
[01:34] <rharper>  sed -n -e /^datasource_list:/!d -e s/datasource_list:[ \[]*// -e s, \]$,, -e p /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/90_dpkg.cfg
[01:34] <rharper> smoser: that doesn't like no spaces between the leading [ and trailing ]
[01:34] <rharper> so: [ NoCloud, None ]  is OK, but [NoCloud, None] is not
[08:26] <ivve> has anyone encountered a bug where write_files creates a dir instead of a file, regardless if there is a content?
[12:51] <smoser> rharper: My only reason for raising it here is that it happend as a result of an SRU.  I don't know if anything changed in that area (I thought a new datasource or two was added), so I thought it might be a regression as a result.
[12:52] <smoser> if it is just a matter of a person edited that file and wrote stuff that the crappy sed parser didn't like, then its nothing new while it shoudl be fixed isn't terribly important.
[14:05] <rharper> smoser: its not an sru issue
[14:05] <rharper> it was local config
[14:06] <rharper> ivve: no, if you have user-data that you can share to demonstrate, please file a bug and we can look at it
[14:06] <rharper> smoser: thanks for the heads-up
[14:10] <smoser> rharper: yeah, i saw that and your mp. repsonded to the  mp with a suggestion.
[14:10] <rharper> ohm, thans
[14:10] <ivve> rharper: ok thanks
[14:14] <rharper> ivve: thinking about it, write_files in cloud-init does an effective mkdir -p on the dirname of the path to the file;  and if the write failed, you would see the dir but not the content;  there should be an error in /var/log/cloud-int.log   ;
[14:15] <ivve> thats exactly what happens
[14:15] <ivve> 4 out of 8ish files becomes directories. i think it started when i fiddled with default user, but im not sure.. this template is 2500lines with well over 100k chars
[14:17] <ivve> well not entirely true
[14:17] <ivve> it creates a dir in place of the file
[14:17] <ivve> say i have /path/to/file it creates /path/to/file/
[14:17] <ivve> so instead of a file called file, i have a dir called file
[14:18] <rharper> yeah, there should be an error in the cloud-init.log  and if you have just the write_files bits, that'd be helpful to reproduce  (I don't need the actual content of the files, just a version with similar paths, etc
[14:19] <ivve> aye, i think i can provide originals
[14:19] <ivve> ill just make a last check
[14:25] <ivve> ok think i found it
[14:26] <ivve> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/cloudinit/util.py", line 1418, in chownbyname
[14:26] <ivve> guess ill try with root:root
[14:27] <ivve> i think i had that before and it worked
[14:36] <rharper> ivve: I see, if you don't provide a user:group in write_files content, then it will use the default user and default permissions which is root:root and 0644
[14:40] <ivve> rharper: i provided elasticsearch:elasticsearch which is created in users section in cloudinit along with default
[14:42] <rharper> ivve: ok, please file a bug and we can sort out what's going on;
[14:42] <rharper> the log should show a write failure, but it's written by root (cloud-init) and then chmod'ed to match the config specified, so its quite strange to have a missing file here
[14:42] <ivve> i was checking for spelling errors in elasticsearch but couldn't find any, i will try deploy with root:root and see if thats the problem
[14:43] <ivve> perhaps the group isn't created
[14:43] <ivve> damn myself for doing too many changes without commits
[14:45] <ivve> hmm think i found the error now
[14:45] <ivve> no_user_group: true
[14:45] <ivve> and write_files is using the group of the user
[14:49] <ivve> will verify, recreating the stack
[14:50] <ivve> but its odd, because the group exists i groups
[14:50] <ivve> elasticsearch:x:1000:elasticsearch
[14:52] <rharper> interesting
[14:52] <ivve> so initially i think i am at fault here
[14:52] <ivve> but im suprised as well :)
[14:53] <ivve> trying root:root now anyways just to block out the error
[14:53] <ivve> i can always chown at runcmd
[14:56] <tribaal> blackboxsw: I saw your branch landed - nice! Thanks. Do you know when the code is planned to hit eoan out of curiosity?
[14:59] <ivve> rharper: looks like that was the problem. however group and user does exist
[15:05] <ivve> and now i know what creates the directories
[15:05] <ivve> its docker-compose
[15:05] <ivve> mounting stuff that doesn't exist
[16:01] <blackboxsw> tribaal: I expect I'm uploading today
[16:01] <blackboxsw> probably within the next 2 hours. there is another 1-2 branches of ryan's that I'd like to get in too
[16:02] <blackboxsw> one of them should land in ~15 mins and I'm reviewing the second now
[16:02] <blackboxsw> tribaal: once uploaded, it won't be in official cloud images until tonight as you know
[16:02] <blackboxsw> ~tonight :)
[16:03] <tribaal> blackboxsw: sure, I'll run an apt-upgrade in our image thingy for preprod
[16:03] <tribaal> it won't be *official* but that should be good enough
[16:03] <tribaal> (for preprod at least)
[16:03] <blackboxsw> +1
[16:09] <rharper> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Xx4NpDN4SB/
[16:09] <rharper> blackboxsw: ^^
[16:10] <rharper> so yeah, v2 to sysconfig is going to write out the DNS0 values, so we may want to confirm if we need to have a resolvconf-only flag
[16:10] <blackboxsw> +1 rharper
[16:23] <blackboxsw> rharper: the master ifcfg template @ https://github.com/openSUSE/sysconfig/blob/master/config/ifcfg.template doesn't mention a supported DNS* config option.
[16:23] <blackboxsw> that code I referenced can't possibly be the source of truth (too old)
[16:24] <blackboxsw> but it was the best reference I'd found so far
[16:25] <blackboxsw> also cat /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg.template  on my opensuse leap 15.1 lxc is showing basically the same, no DNS* config options allowed per interface
[16:26] <blackboxsw> so I'm going with your suggestion, we'll need a resolveconf-only flag for suse to handle net config v2 'global' dns
[16:27] <rharper> I don't see robjo around
[16:27] <blackboxsw> yeah I was trying to tab-complete his nick :/
[16:28] <blackboxsw> might send a message to the mailing list once the v2 branch is up
[16:28] <blackboxsw> get some input if he has time
[16:31] <rharper> y
[16:44] <gcstang> I'm installing cloud-init on OL 7.7 is there any reason that the user home directory wouldn't have the permissions needed to create?
[17:00] <rharper> gcstang: sorry;  cloud-init runs as root, so it has permissions to create directories in /home
[17:01] <rharper> what do you expect to happen and what is actually happening ?
[17:02] <gcstang> I have the user setup in cloud.cfg and during boot the cloud-init.service shows an error that it couldn't run mkdir(name, perm) when creating my user's home directory in /home/
[17:03] <blackboxsw> gcstang: I think if possible, we'd like to see your userdata reproducing this failure in a bug.   Run the following on your system: sudo cloud-init query userdata   (and make sure it doesn't have any secrets).   If possible a bug filed to https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+filebug and attach the tar.gz file emitted by "sudo cloud-init collect-logs"
[17:09] <gcstang> blackboxsw the query command returns empty
[17:10] <blackboxsw> gcstang: ok so on your vm you didn't provide any custom user-data then?
[17:10] <blackboxsw> like providing #cloud-config to the vm
[17:10] <blackboxsw> at launch time
[17:10] <gcstang> like the metadata?
[17:11] <blackboxsw> gcstang: correct, I was wondering if you were trying change default behavior on the vm you are launching to add new (non-default) users
[17:11] <blackboxsw> by providing additional configuration metadata to the instance (we call that user-data)
[17:12] <gcstang> the metadata should be supplied by our URL http://<IP_ADDRESS>/opc/v1/instance/metadata/ but I don't think cloud-init is finding that
[17:13] <gcstang> the only thing provided is the ssh_authorized_keys
[17:13] <gcstang> blackboxsw otherwise the only configuration is in the /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg
[17:14] <blackboxsw> gcstang: ok, so sudo cloud-init collect-logs will help the most I think as it'll scrape /var/log/cloud-init.log for us (which should have logged the 169.254 crawl cloud-init tried).
[17:15] <blackboxsw> it
[17:15] <blackboxsw> will also show the tracebacks of user dir creation. (I'm wondering if it's opc default user on ubuntu that is causing an issue here)
[17:26] <gcstang> blackboxsw tried submitting a bug several times and I get
[17:26] <gcstang> Timeout errorSorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience.Trying again in a couple of minutes might work.(Error ID: OOPS-44fe7d797c5d2d2342e5ea3320e3fc05)
[17:28] <blackboxsw> interesting gcstang I've reflected that to our  IS department to check it out. gcstang can you see edit this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1841816
[17:29] <gcstang> blackboxswI can
[17:30] <blackboxsw> all yours gcstang edit at will :)
[17:30] <gcstang> wont' let me attach, same failure
[17:35] <gcstang20> blackboxsw I was able to attach the logs and my cfg
[19:50] <blackboxsw> rharper: followup sed for https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/371919
[19:50] <rharper> thx
[19:50] <blackboxsw> see what you think. I want to avoid python dependency in that shell script, and avoid a heavy copy/paste/hoist of 37+ lines of code from ds-identify
[19:51] <rharper> blackboxsw: I don't see an update on the MP, did you update bug or MP ?
[19:51] <blackboxsw> haha unsaved comments can't be seen.
[19:51] <blackboxsw> fixed
[19:51] <rharper> cool
[19:51] <rharper> I agree w.r.t python or the bigger shell fix
[19:52] <blackboxsw> the resulting sed should support  datasource_list
[19:53] <rharper> I can't deny I like the simplicity of the python -c  =)
[19:54] <blackboxsw> the following examples :     ds_list   : [1,2,3]    ds_list: [   1,2,3 ]   \s*ds_list:    [1             ,2, 3] etc
[19:54] <blackboxsw> yeah I agree rharper on the python call, just didn't want to have to sort python2 vs python3 deps in the script
[19:54] <blackboxsw> too
[19:54] <blackboxsw> or have to fallback to another option if the dep wasn't available at the time for some reason.
[19:54] <rharper> yaml wasn't always standard lib right ?
[20:10] <blackboxsw> rharper: right, it wasn't initially. ~2013 maybe?
[20:23] <blackboxsw> I just tested that sed suggestion on lxc, purging cloud-init, adding datasource_list: [1,2,3] to /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/90_dpkg.cfg  and it gets correctly reformatted datasource_list: [ 1, 2, 3 ]
[20:30] <blackboxsw> rharper: I was hoping to hold restarting the cloud-init SRU on the inclusion of this https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/371919 .
[20:30] <blackboxsw> Do you think we should wait for it, or just restart the SRU with the exoscale fixes?
[20:31] <rharper> hrm
[20:31] <rharper> my initial thought is to not wait, as tonight or tomorrow will bring another thing to pick up
[20:31] <rharper> I also don't think the error is that common, it requires manual manipulation of the file
[20:32] <blackboxsw> ok will kickoff an upload to Eoan of tip of cloud-init then
[20:33]  * blackboxsw wants one quick manual ec2 test on current SRU, just to make sure the world
[20:33] <rharper> blackboxsw: yeah, looks like just two commits, the exoscale and the oracle vnics bits
[20:33] <blackboxsw> didn't break
[20:33] <rharper> yeah
[20:49] <blackboxsw> rharper: [ubuntu/eoan-proposed] cloud-init 19.2-24-ge7881d5c-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[20:49] <blackboxsw> tribaal: ^
[20:49] <blackboxsw> that'll have exoscale fix
[20:50]  * blackboxsw now tries to regen an SRU including this content too
[20:51] <rharper> great
[20:55] <blackboxsw> and xenial bionic disco -proposed SRU upgrade test on ec2 doesn't error out. (there are no specific SRU bugs/code related to Ec2 in this sru)
[21:15] <blackboxsw> rharper: here's what I was going to do debian/changelog wise for updating the existing SRU
[21:15] <blackboxsw> https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/371959
[21:17] <blackboxsw> so I've added a second debian/changelog stanza for the incremented new version. both reference the current SRU bug number
[21:17] <blackboxsw> I'm not referencing the upstream bug id, because we
[21:17] <blackboxsw> have an SRU exception to handle validating that ourselves
[21:18] <blackboxsw> "the upstream bug id" == for the exoscale fix
[21:18] <blackboxsw> #1841454
[21:18] <blackboxsw> bug #1841454
[21:19] <rharper> blackboxsw: hrm, so should changelog have two entries each with the SRU bug # ?
[21:19] <rharper> I guess we already pushed to ubuntu/disco
[21:20] <blackboxsw> rharper: I think I only pushed to chad.smith/ubuntu/disco.    I thought steve suggested that on a previous sru-regression fix we performed. I can separate it out, but then we have 2 changelog entries in the most recent commit that don't have bugs
[21:20] <rharper> blackboxsw: you may be right, I'm just asking
[21:20] <blackboxsw> I can double-check in #ubuntu-devel
[21:29] <chillysurfer> trying to build an rpm from cloud-init source, i'm getting the error KeyError: u'RPM_BUILD_ROOT'. i've tried setting the env var to a path on my machine, but still not working. any thoughts?
[21:31] <rharper> chillysurfer: I suggest using our tools/run-container
[21:32] <rharper> chillysurfer: if you want to do it outside ,then you want to use packages/brpm
[21:32] <chillysurfer> rharper: yep that's the script i kicked off, packages/brpm
[21:32] <chillysurfer> and i get that key error
[21:33] <rharper> and you have rpm-build and such installed ?
[21:33] <chillysurfer> nope!
[21:33] <chillysurfer> i'm guessing that's the problem
[21:33] <chillysurfer> is there a list of deps for brpm?
[21:34] <rharper> chillysurfer: not in there but in tools/run-container
[21:34] <chillysurfer> rharper: the reason i'm doing this exercise is that it looks like our rpm doesn't inject the PACKAGED_VERSION into version.py
[21:34] <rharper> ah, it uses tools/read-dependencies
[21:35] <rharper> chillysurfer: I would suggest you use the tools/run-container
[21:35] <chillysurfer> rharper: so it falls back to just VERSION without the package information
[21:35] <rharper> that's how we create our srpms for upload to copr
[21:35] <chillysurfer> and trying to unwind why that's happening
[21:35] <chillysurfer> ok cool i'll do tools/run-container
[21:35] <rharper> so, you can look at tools/run-centos  and see how that calls tools/run-container ,
[21:36] <rharper> our ci does this, ./tools/run-centos 7 --srpm --artifact
[21:36] <rharper> which sets up a centos7 lxd container, puts in the cloud-init source, runs all of the steps to prep the container environment, and then calls brpm with the right flags, and will pull out the srpm to your dir when done
[21:37] <chillysurfer> rharper: awesome i'll definitely do that
[21:37] <chillysurfer> rharper: dumb question... what controls the rhel repos? if this is for dumping to copr for centos/fedora, what handles the pkg distribution for rhel regarding cloud-init?
[21:38] <rharper> chillysurfer: we have a copr project repo for centos; we've not access to the downstream repos
[21:39] <rharper> our CI publishes daily rpms for centos7;  I've a branch to fix up our py3 build so we can publush on newer fedoras and centos8; but that' needs to get reviewed/landed
[21:39] <rharper> https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/368845
[21:40] <rharper> we maintain two other repos on copr, el-stable and el-testing;  el-stable hasn't been updated in quite some time, mosty for centos6 support;  el-testing get's any of our new release (19.1, 19,2) and whenever we do an SRU
[21:42] <rharper> chillysurfer: the downstreams decide what to pick up and when;  typically depending on the downstream, some pick up newer cloud-inits at the point releases (19.1, 19.2, etc)  others keep an older release and then backport fixes.
[21:42] <chillysurfer> ah i see
[21:42] <chillysurfer> that makes sense
[21:42] <chillysurfer> rharper: do they pick up source packages?
[21:43] <rharper> I suspect they checkout the release tag from git
[21:43] <rharper> we tag and sign point releases
[21:43] <chillysurfer> rharper: ahhh i see. so in that case you aren't surprised that the packages/redhat/cloud-init.spec.in isn't applied tot he pkg?
[21:44] <chillysurfer> rharper: the reason i'm bring this all up is that `sed -i "s,@@PACKAGED_VERSION@@,%{version}-%{release}," $version_pys` doesn't seem to be happening, which is specified in cloud-init.spec.in for the rpm
[21:45] <rharper> the spec file is a template, so it get's rendered during the install, IIRC
[21:46] <rharper> chillysurfer: see packages/brpm ; it calls tools/read-version and then runs the generate_spec_contents()
[21:46] <chillysurfer> rharper: right exactly. but if the downstream maintainer of cloud-init isn't calling packages/brpm that would explain why the version isn't getting injected right?
[21:46] <rharper> they don't use our spec file
[21:47] <chillysurfer> rharper: they use their own spec file? that would explain why PACKAGED_VERSION remains unchanged
[21:48] <rharper> chillysurfer: sounds like it could be a downstream bug in their build spec
[21:48] <rharper> it's not always clear they want cloud-init --version to match what the package version value is
[21:48] <blackboxsw> ok rharper vorlon confirmed on reusing existing SRU bug
[21:48] <blackboxsw> will push xenial and bionic for SRU re-review
[21:48] <rharper> for example if they're backporting features into an older release; they may not want to bump the version value that cloud-init returns
[21:49] <rharper> blackboxsw: ok, thanks
[21:52] <rharper> blackboxsw: I'm going to run an errand in just a few minutes, when I get back, I'll review the bionic/xenial MPs if you've got them up
[21:54] <blackboxsw> thanks.rharper  bionic: https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/371962   xenial: https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/371963
[21:57] <blackboxsw> rharper: dugtrio running out of space? https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-ci/1088/console
[21:57] <rharper> maybe
[21:57] <blackboxsw> couldn't create chroot
[21:57]  * blackboxsw logs in to see what we need to clean up
[21:57] <rharper> no, maybe just not configured
[21:58] <rharper> that job typically ran on tork, but the queue has been sprayed across additional nodes
[21:58] <rharper> so this looks like setup fallout
[21:58] <rharper> blackboxsw: send paride a note
[21:58] <rharper> maybe you can reschedule that job on tork
[21:58] <blackboxsw> rharper: yeah I'll try a reschedule, and will send a note
[22:04] <chillysurfer> rharper: ah ok that's really good information
[22:21] <tribaal> blackboxsw: ack. I'll spin an Eoan template now and will torture it tomorrow
[22:26] <chillysurfer> rharper: what's the copr repo for cloud-init?
[22:26] <blackboxsw> chillysurfer: daily builds are https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/cloud-init/cloud-init-dev/
[22:27] <blackboxsw> testing: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/cloud-init/el-testing
[22:28] <blackboxsw> we'll be updating testing today/tomorrow, but generally we don't updated except when we are performing an ubuntu Stable release update into xenial, bionic, disco (>= monthly)
[22:44] <chillysurfer> blackboxsw: great thanks!


[11:40] <Robdgreat> freenode y u no fail less
[19:45] <bts3685|vps> Robdgreat: updating kernels :)
[19:46] <Robdgreat> multiple times in a day? >.>
[19:46] <bts3685|vps> also, looks like freenode was having issues:
[19:46] <bts3685|vps> 23:16:44 [Freenode] -Martinp23(martinp23@freenode/staff/martinp23)- [Global Notice] Hi folks! As you'll have noticed, we've been having some connectivity problems tonight. We're working on patching things together just now. Any further updates are likely to be delivered  through wallops - go /umode +w to see them. Thanks!
[19:46] <bts3685|vps> Day changed to 04 Apr 2011
[19:47] <Robdgreat> fair enough
[19:47] <Robdgreat> I was just teasing
[19:48] <Robdgreat> then I ate my words, because I did the same thing you were doing last night - disconnected 2 or 3 times
[22:40] <bts3685|vps> like that ^ teehee
[22:41]  * bts3685|vps duct tapes r2d2rogers in place
[22:42] <Robdgreat> nah, that's a split
[22:42] <Robdgreat> when you were dropping it said Client closed connection
[22:42] <bts3685|vps> ah. i wasn't around when i got d/c'd, so i wasn' sure :)


[02:36] <daftykins> OerHeks: we got us another one
[02:38] <OerHeks> i stick to may answer, config your pxe server right :-D
[02:38] <OerHeks> i dunno if there is an pxe ipv6 disable option, not in this tutor either https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro
[02:39] <daftykins> ah i just got PM'd to be told this guy is special needs or something
[02:39] <daftykins> 'Leo'
[02:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[02:42] <OerHeks> hi lotus
[02:42] <daftykins> o/
[02:42] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks and daftykins
[02:42] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: mines a coffee if you're having breakfast ;)
[02:42] <lotuspsychje> lol
[02:43] <OerHeks> 04:42 .. birds are going to sing in 30 minutes
[02:43] <lotuspsychje> birds are going to swim here, very rainy
[02:44] <OerHeks> birdy-soup in the morning, tra la la
[02:44] <lotuspsychje> lol
[02:46] <daftykins> now this is interesting
[02:46] <daftykins> 39.0+build5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> (trusty), package size 39204 kB, installed size 90900 kB
[02:46] <daftykins> 39.0+build5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> (vivid), package size 41015 kB, installed size 99262 kB
[02:47] <daftykins> i wonder if it has a DRM component in there that trusty doesn't
[02:47] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[02:48] <OerHeks> try ff 40 ?
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> seen few articles on softpedia about recent ff updates
[02:48] <OerHeks> silly firefox preload stuff, like thunderbird
[02:49] <daftykins> maybe 40 has mostly had changes for win10
[02:49] <OerHeks> 40 is current now, isn't it?
[02:49] <daftykins> don't know about Linux land
[02:49] <daftykins> 40.0.2 here though yeah
[02:52] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ apt-cache policy firefox
[02:52] <lotuspsychje> firefox:
[02:52] <lotuspsychje>   Geïnstalleerd: 40.0+build4-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[02:52] <lotuspsychje>   Kandidaat:     40.0+build4-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Internet/HTTP-WWW-/Mozilla-Firefox-Stable-20864.shtml
[03:00] <daftykins> ah guess ubottu is behind the times then
[07:23] <lordievader> Good mroning.
[07:29] <OerHeks> hi lordievader
[07:29] <lordievader> o/
[12:13] <daftykins> my friends cat is called Cleo :)
[12:14] <daftykins> ah cfhowlett is not in here
[15:59]  * daftykins rolls his eyes
[16:00]  * OerHeks flaps his ears
[16:00] <daftykins> :D
[23:14] <OerHeks> LoLz Kali Linux is based on Debian Wheezy,not on ubuntu anymore :-D


[04:42] <scriptwarlock> ping lahat
[05:07] <Terminus> hello scriptwarlock
[05:15] <scriptwarlock> hako
[05:15] <scriptwarlock> halo*
[05:16] <scriptwarlock> ang aga ko for meeting
[05:16] <scriptwarlock> test
[05:18] <Terminus> there's a meeting
[05:18] <Terminus> ?
[05:18] <scriptwarlock> sabi ni zak pero 3pm pa daw or 4
[06:29] <Terminus> i see...
[06:29] <scriptwarlock> hmm parang di ko maabutan ang meeting
[06:30] <scriptwarlock> sir terminus meron ka bang idea regarding the certificates sa ubuntu regarding sa seminars
[06:34] <kidsodateless> all, magandang hapon
[06:34] <scriptwarlock> gud afternun
[06:41] <Terminus> scriptwarlock: you mean a certificate sanctioned by canonical? no idea.
[06:44] <scriptwarlock> yes
[06:44] <scriptwarlock> i'll ask zak na lang
[06:45] <Terminus> scriptwarlock: the only one i know of is the certification exam canonical has in partnership with LPI.
[06:49] <scriptwarlock> i know that one
[07:03] <scriptwarlock> di na talaga kaya sa oras gonna go guys post na lang logs sa meeting
[11:15] <Craw^> Hello
[11:37] <JonDoblados> hi..did the meeting go as scheduled at 3pm?
[12:04] <Craw^> He left, but no lol