[03:09] <bazhang> on himself?
[03:42] <IdleOne> yes
[04:14] <bazhang> now I remember why Juest gets banned just about every time he joins
[04:14] <holstein> i mean, just say, "no thanks,, i dont want to try that suggestion"
[04:16] <bazhang> he just argues every suggestion
[04:16] <bazhang> and it's *always* urgent, like life/death scenario
[04:18] <holstein> bazhang: is it a language barrier?
[04:18] <bazhang> holstein, more like a maturity barrier
[04:18] <IdleOne> holstein: it is a troll barrier
[04:18] <bazhang> which he never can cross
[04:18] <bazhang> hello! guys! halpNOWplz!
[04:19] <bazhang> nothing against us, though. he does it network wide
[04:20] <holstein> interesting...
[04:29] <bazhang> he's the equivalent of nails across a blackboard
 is there a known chrubuntu channel?
[05:35] <elky> i guess ubuntu for chromebooks?
[05:43] <bazhang> chromeos with the ubuntu kernel or something
[05:44] <bazhang> he started a channel #chrubuntu
[11:34] <bazhang> wonder if thats iToast
[11:34] <ikonia> who ?
[11:34] <bazhang> ls/mst
[11:34] <ikonia> ahh yes
[11:35] <bazhang> err mft
[11:41] <bazhang> same type of behavior, now joined as HelenCrowley
[13:14] <Myrtti> bazhang: catbuntu
[13:22] <Pici> unrar
[13:22] <Pici> all the same person
[13:24] <ikonia> all a pain
[15:41] <bazhang> Myrtti, ok thanks
[15:42] <bazhang> odd that he has two cloaked accounts
[15:46] <Myrtti> the checkups are done by human beings, there's bound to be some errors
[16:32] <bazhang> yep
 personne: Google it
[16:41] <bazhang> more lovely "support" from Juest
[16:50] <Myrtti> bazhang: which cloaked accounts btw?
[16:51] <ikonia> bazhang: screw juest, he's always a problem
[16:51] <bazhang> LS\MFT] (~ls-mft@unaffiliated/ls-mft): It's toasted!   and catbuntu@unaffiliated/unrar Myrtti
[16:52] <bazhang> ikonia, he's giving out possibly wrong/bad advice re: drivers as well
[16:52] <Myrtti> bazhang: check again
[16:52] <ikonia> bazhang: he's useless all the time and tries to argue his nonsense
[16:52] <bazhang> Myrtti, is the second no longer true?
[16:54] <Myrtti> bazhang: do a nsinfo on the account names
[16:57] <Pici> bazhang: he requested a cloak change yesterday
[16:58] <bazhang> Myrtti, the LS\MFT appears to be more than a year old, if I am reading this correctly
[16:59] <bazhang> ah two days for this, and more than one year for the user
[17:00] <bazhang> Pici, thanks, that clears things up quite a bit
[17:01] <Myrtti> also if you do a nsinfo on all the nicknames, you see that the information matches and the account is actually LS-MFT
[17:02] <bazhang> yeah, I dont have all the nicks as there are so many
[17:03] <Myrtti> well ls-mft, unrar and catbuntu then ;-)
[17:49] <IdleOne> !msgthebot > prp-e
[23:08] <javaprogrammerne> !ops
[23:08] <javaprogrammerne> I can make your body levitate if you let me.
[23:08] <elky> no point with that one.
[23:10] <ikonia> known ?
[23:33] <elky> #u yesterday


[08:39] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:03] <knightwise> morning everyone
[10:04] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[10:18] <knightwise> hey brobostigon how are you doing ?
[10:21] <brobostigon> knightwise: not too bad, a week off from work now ahead of me, some need rest, and you?
[10:21] <brobostigon> needed*
[10:21] <brobostigon> spent more time with my fiance, :)
[10:22] <brobostigon> spend*
[10:22] <knightwise>  wish i could say the same. Working in the library this afternoon while the wife is taking classes
[10:22] <brobostigon> :(
[10:25] <knightwise> its life , but i'm ok . love to work in the library
[10:25] <knightwise> nice and peacefull here , although my clients still manage to get a hold of me
[10:26] <brobostigon> :)
[10:47] <moreati> Morning all. Could someone on 17.04 confirm something for me: in Chromium, if you hover over a link does the mouse pointer become a white hand with a black outline, or the inverse?
[18:43] <daftykins> i think i've had my three dramas now, can they stop? :) https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ehdkt3a41ol6wk0/AABmBGSZRFuh7CWp3TcrBukka?dl=0
[18:45] <penguin42> ewww
[18:45] <daftykins> just hosting a small dinner party!
[18:45] <penguin42> daftykins: Get an ant eater?
[18:46] <daftykins> hehe, well the stuff they're enjoying is poison, not sure how it works though
[18:47] <daftykins> http://www.vitax.co.uk/home-garden/nippon-ant-killer-liquid/ funky


[03:10] <jamesh> anyone around who could help me out in renaming a project?
[03:11] <StevenK> jamesh: Which project?
[03:11] <jamesh> StevenK: https://launchpad.net/unuty-scope-hollywood to unity-scope-mediascanner
[03:11] <jamesh> unity-scope-hollywood, even
[03:12] <StevenK> jamesh: Did you need an alias?
[03:12] <jamesh> Nope
[03:12] <StevenK> jamesh: All done
[03:12] <jamesh> thank you
[07:40] <xnox> maxb: smoser: not reading the whole backlog. but yeah, importer seems to be missing permissions.
[07:41] <maxb> xnox: I think this is probably fallout from attempts to define API access permissions in terms of 'can upload'
[07:42] <xnox> maxb: i remember laney or someone from membership board was giving package-importer team membership, after it expired from somewhere.
[07:43] <maxb> I don't think this is a team issue, I think it is more likely that either the code was changed, or the status of old distroseries was
[07:43] <xnox> ok. yeah, teams look fine.
[07:44] <maxb> I think the problem is that the permissions system now formally acknowledges that core-dev are not allowed to upload to maverick-proposed, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to call SourcePackage.setBranch for it
[08:38] <czajkowski> xnox: boo
[08:39] <xnox> czajkowski: =)
[12:55] <Mez> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdebug/+bug/1096464 <-- want to set won't fix for this, but can't select it ?
[13:08] <czajkowski> Mez: that'd be someone on the bug squad I think
[13:11] <Mez> czajkowski: I worked it out - my ubuntu dev team access had expired, revoking my inherited membership to bug control
[13:11] <Mez> so, working as expected.
[13:12] <czajkowski> cool
[15:38] <mordred> 9
[18:15] <smoser> maxb, so what options do i have at this point. if i want to have lp:ubuntu/cloud-init functional again ?
[18:15] <smoser> wrt
[18:15] <smoser> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/234047
[18:16] <maxb> Well, ideally we'd get the permissions fixed
[18:16] <maxb> But we could hack the importer code to omit the setBranch API call for selected distroseries
[18:18] <micahg> maxb: there was a temporary loss of privs a while back, maybe just retry the branch?
[18:19] <maxb> No, This has already been done, it is not transient
[18:19] <micahg> ok
[20:26] <thomi> LP build recipies will should build dependencies from the PPA they're building into, right?
[21:00] <dobey> thomi: it will pull deps from the PPA if the version of the dep in the PPA is newer than that of the dep in the main Ubuntu archives, yes.
[21:01] <dobey> thomi: the deps have to be successfully built *and* published, before they'll get pulled, though.
[21:02] <thomi> hmm, something odd is happening then :-/


[00:11] <dogmatic69> ls -al .fonts/ | wc -l
[00:11] <dogmatic69> that would give a count of files right?
[00:13] <dwatkins> including . and ..
[00:14] <dwatkins> but the count would also be incorrect as you're doing a long listing, use -1 (number one) to show just filenames, dogmatic69
[00:14] <dogmatic69> ye, also extra line at the top
[00:14] <dogmatic69> ah, that is better
[00:15] <dogmatic69> just has the extra line now, think its file size
[00:15] <dogmatic69> ls -l .fonts/ | wc -l == ?
[00:15] <dogmatic69> 4543 :D
[00:15] <dogmatic69> can I complain about inkskape taking 5 minutes to open?
[00:17] <dogmatic69> libre office opens within 5 seconds
[00:22] <dwatkins> strace is your friend
[00:23] <dwatkins> strace -fro /tmp/inkscape.trace path/to/inkscape/binary
[00:23] <dogmatic69> ?
[00:24] <dwatkins> start inkscape up like that, then examine the trace file to see what's hapenning before and after the delay
[00:24] <dogmatic69> doing it now
[00:24] <dogmatic69> (inkscape:10054): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",
[00:25] <dogmatic69> done that 4x and stuck now
[00:25] <dogmatic69> need a ajax loading thingy
[00:27] <dogmatic69> 2.6MB file
[00:29] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: its doing stat on virtually the entire hdd
[00:30] <dwatkins> eh?
[00:30] <dogmatic69> in that trace, there are masses of stat("/path/to/random/files")
[00:31] <dwatkins> ok, that may or may not be the problem
[00:31] <dogmatic69> all sorts, images, svgs, documents, configs in .evolution etc
[00:31] <dogmatic69> also on my mapped network drive which could be the problem
[00:31] <dwatkins> might be worth looking up bugs relating to delays starting inkscape, dogmatic69
[00:32] <dogmatic69> 2300+ calls to stat
[00:33] <dwatkins> bug 488247 might be worth a read, dogmatic69
[00:42] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: thanks, seems they just need to implement cache
[00:42] <dogmatic69> should be an easy one
[00:42] <dwatkins> ah good
[06:06] <meet> is there any game related channel?
[09:01] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:03] <daubers> Morning
[09:25] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:34] <dwatkins> hiya
[09:35] <brobostigon> hi dwatkins
[09:37] <popey> mnt
[09:37] <popey> er
[09:37] <popey> mng
[09:38] <czajkowski> morning
[09:39] <brobostigon> dng
[09:46] <SuperEngineer> boo!
[09:47] <brobostigon> RAWR
[09:58]  * dwatkins hands brobostigon a small plastic dinosaur holding a cupcake
[09:59]  * brobostigon takes the dinosaur, and plays with it on his desk, and make dinosaur type noises.
[10:00] <gordonjcp> and we shall call this land "our land"
[10:00] <popey> hah
[10:17] <SuperEngineer> a quick question re 12.04... I have no "system" [alert] sounds though all sound tests check out ok.
[10:17] <SuperEngineer>  am I experiencing a bug or experiencing intended behaviour?
[10:27] <StevenR> SuperEngineer: are system alert sounds enabled?
[10:28] <StevenR> (I have them disabled, but I guess that's not the default)
[10:29] <SuperEngineer> yes - and test out ok, the directory is there, the sounds are there, all programs using sound are ok.
[10:33] <SuperEngineer> StevenR, in fact I have just gone back to sound settings & they *all* work from there, but not in 'real' use.
[10:34]  * StevenR goes to grab an iso to spin up a test vm
[10:35] <SuperEngineer> cheers StevenR
[10:35] <StevenR> eta 15 mins probably
[10:36] <StevenR> (iso in 5, VM in another 10 or so)
[10:38] <SuperEngineer> btw... the System Ready sound is ok, the "Ubuntu wiggle" desktop sound I hear rumoured is disabled to keep the ISO to Cd size [even though still included!] so that is dubious - but *no* other alert sounds work at all in real use
[10:39] <gordonjcp> man I'd love it if all the alert sounds would stay disabled
[10:39] <SuperEngineer> gordonjcp, - then disable them?
[10:40] <gordonjcp> SuperEngineer: they don't stay disabled
[10:40] <gordonjcp> they need to be *gone*
[10:40] <SuperEngineer> gordonjcp, it appearsa you the "reverse" of my fault ;)
[10:40] <gordonjcp> it's bloody annoying
[10:41] <SuperEngineer> gordonjcp, - then disable them by removing the folder holding them?
[10:41] <gordonjcp> why would you want your computer to make silly noises all the time?
[10:41] <gordonjcp> SuperEngineer: because when you update Ubuntu, they come back
[10:42] <gordonjcp> and doing an update appears to reset them all back to enabled
[10:42] <SuperEngineer> gordonjcp, oh - didn't think of that
[10:42] <gordonjcp> what I ended up doing was setting all the sounds to zero-length files and setting them immutable
[10:42]  * SuperEngineer puts on dunces hat
[10:43] <SuperEngineer> ...but if personally like the occasional 'blob' sound or real alert when needed.
[10:43] <SuperEngineer> *but I
[10:43] <gordonjcp> I'm sure the resetting it back to defaults is a bug
[10:44] <gordonjcp> SuperEngineer: I don't, because it comes through the speakers
[10:44] <gordonjcp> and interrupts whatever else is playing
[10:45] <gordonjcp> bloody irritating, you're playing some music, a window pops open for something with an earsplitting "WHOOONK!"
[10:45] <SuperEngineer> then stop making errors causing alerts or closing programs or doing other normal things !
[10:45] <gordonjcp> also, the pulseaudio thing is stupid
[10:45] <gordonjcp> why would you want two programs to make noises at the same time, especially when the sound plays about ten seconds after the app actually fires the event
[10:46] <SuperEngineer> ...as per several previous - it's not a problem for me... alert sounds are not working ;)
[10:54] <SuperEngineer> gordonjcp, just a thought... are your "annoying" system sounds in 12.04 or older distro?
[10:54] <gordonjcp> 11.10
[10:54] <SuperEngineer> ah!
[10:55] <gordonjcp> I tried 12.04 on my desktop but I only have 2G of RAM
[10:55] <gordonjcp> so I can't even get a desktop up
[10:55]  * StevenR watches the VM's installer progress bar *creep* across the window
[10:55]  * SuperEngineer hands gordonjcp a plate full of sympathy
[10:56] <SuperEngineer> StevenR, don't let it hear you call it a "creep" - it will fail in retaliation!
[10:57] <gordonjcp> SuperEngineer: I really hope that the final version of 12.04 needs less memory
[10:57] <gordonjcp> SuperEngineer: I've got it "running" on a core i5 at work with 4G, it's kind of usable
[10:57] <gordonjcp> as long as you don't open any programs
[10:58] <dwatkins> 12.04 needs more than a gig or RAM? wow
[10:59] <gordonjcp> it appears to need more than 2G
[10:59]  * StevenR allocated 4G for the vm
[11:00] <StevenR> *sigh* it's still installing :S
[11:01] <SuperEngineer> gordonjcp, just a thought - i've only got the same as you - it's fine - apart from the alert sounds
[11:02] <SuperEngineer> [as in - fine & fast]
[11:03] <StevenR> oh. wow. that booted up rather fast
[11:03] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[11:05] <SuperEngineer> gordonjcp, I'd be having a looksee inside the pooter itself if I were your good self
[11:05]  * StevenR runs updates
[11:06] <StevenR> SuperEngineer: alert volume turned up?
[11:06] <SuperEngineer> StevenR, yup
[11:07] <gordonjcp> SuperEngineer: for what?
[11:07] <StevenR> SuperEngineer: ~/.xsession-errors show anything failing?
[11:07] <SuperEngineer> [only to 100% - not tried higher - though that shouldn't be neccessay if it's not a bug]
[11:08] <SuperEngineer> StevenR, hang on pretty please - I'll have a looksee
[11:08] <dwatkins> 12.04 is using just under 1 GB of RAM on my virtual machine, which has 1 GB allocated to it.
[11:09] <StevenR> dwatkins: is that the "free" or -buffers/cache value? (see free -mt)
[11:10] <StevenR> the kernel will cache as much as it can
[11:11] <dwatkins> StevenR: http://paste.ubuntu.com/930847/
[11:11] <StevenR> dwatkins: so actually using 403MB
[11:11] <StevenR> :D
[11:11] <dwatkins> yeah, so 'using' in the sense there's a lot of cache, yeah
[11:12] <dwatkins> I couldn't say how much swap was used during installation, of course
[11:13] <StevenR> SuperEngineer: tried a different sound theme?
[11:13] <SuperEngineer> StevenR, tried them all
[11:14] <StevenR> :(
[11:14] <StevenR> SuperEngineer: is this an upgrade or fresh install? HAve you tried a new user?
[11:15] <SuperEngineer> StevenR, the only stuff showing in xseesion-error relate to video with Cairo dock - which is working fine actually - nothing that could be related to a sound or sound related call
[11:17] <SuperEngineer> [in fact *everything* shown in xsession-errors & .old are *all* actually working 100%
[11:17] <SuperEngineer> StevenR, thias is a fresh install from beta1 onwards
[11:17] <SuperEngineer> fully uodated
[11:18] <StevenR> maybe try a fresh "test user" ?
[11:19] <SuperEngineer> yeh... that could worth a try [but I'm not expecting much difference] ;)
[11:21] <SuperEngineer> [just tried the quick option running as guest - tna]
[11:22] <SuperEngineer> bbs - gonna try as a new user user
[11:29] <penguin42> does anyone know what a 'Locally Integrated Menu' is?
[11:32] <popey> yes
[11:32] <penguin42> now will you tell us?
[11:32] <popey> sure
[11:32] <popey> google it, omg had an article with a screenshot
[11:34] <penguin42> so it turns the top level menu into a drop down on an icon?
[11:34] <popey> ya
[11:36] <penguin42> ah ok
[11:39] <brobostigon> my phone has finally decided, to upgrade itself, from google marlet, to google play.
[11:39] <brobostigon> market*
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> yay?
[11:39] <brobostigon> well, it does seem alittle more resource friendly, and alittle faster.
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> I've upgraded my Galaxy Nexus to 4.0.4
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> Camera is fast again now
[11:45] <brobostigon> :)
[11:46]  * brobostigon is back on 2.3.7
[11:58] <SuperEngineer> StevenR, you still here?
[11:58] <StevenR> o/
[11:58] <arsen> why does zgrep have a max number of arguements :/
[12:01] <SuperEngineer> StevenR, no difference under a new user... guess it's a bug - no need to track down hardware or software - thanks for the suggestions
[12:01] <SuperEngineer> *now
[12:03]  * StevenR nods
[13:03] <bigcalm> Afternoon peeps :)
[13:03] <sagaci> evening bigcalm
[13:04]  * bigcalm checks his watch
[13:09]  * SuperEngineer thinks hmmm - could get to like this Pangolin thing - darn!
[13:10] <popey> pip pip bigcalm
[13:11] <bigcalm> Hazar, a wild popey appears
[13:12] <SuperEngineer> [yeh -must have finished playing Angry
[13:12] <SuperEngineer> Birds
[13:12] <popey> just finished washing up after making sunday roast actually ☺
[13:13] <bigcalm> Then it might be time to dig
[13:15] <popey> heh
[13:15]  * bigcalm desires lunch, but Hayley isn't ready for it
[13:15] <popey> bigcalm: you should join snowflake irc ☺
[13:16] <bigcalm> popey: you should msg me the details :)
[13:17] <bigcalm> Ah, found the info
[13:37] <SuperEngineer> whoops - just tried the "How to create a Wikipedia Unity lens for Ubuntu" - big screen crash - my fault ☺
[15:30] <zleap> hello
[16:10] <ali1234> can i get apt to automatically install build-dep whenever i install a package?
[16:19] <tsimpson> I suspect the answer is "no", because that would be an odd thing for it to do
[16:19] <ali1234> why would it be odd?
[16:19] <tsimpson> what would be the purpose if that?
[16:19] <ali1234> what i really want to do is recursively install build dependencies for everything
[16:20] <tsimpson> but, why?
[16:20] <ali1234> because i hate waiting for build-deps to download
[16:20] <tsimpson> no, why do you need build dependencies  for *everything*?
[16:20] <ali1234> so that i'll never have to get interrupted waiting for build-deps in the middle of trying to do something
[16:21] <tsimpson> installing build-deps is fine, but build-deps of build-deps etc, seems insane to me
[16:21] <tsimpson> but, if you really want to, you could create a script named apt-get in ~/bin/ that intercepts the apt-get command and also installs build-deps etc
[16:22] <tsimpson> ie: I doubt anyone has published a tool to do that already, so you'd have to make it yourself
[16:27] <AlanBell> could do it as a bash alias
[16:29] <dwatkins> What am I missing not installing build-deps? I don't tend to compile from source.
[16:32] <shauno> you could probably wrangle something with DPkg::Post-Invoke, but I'd be really quite cautious of sending dpkg into a loop
[16:35] <penguin42> ali1234: IMHO it would be more useful to get dpkg-buildpackage to install the build-deps when it realises they're not there
[16:35] <ali1234> unless i don't want to recompile with dpkg
[16:36] <penguin42> ah well if you're building it and configuring it different then it might have different build-deps
[16:36] <ali1234> yeah
[16:36] <ali1234> which is why i want as many as possible already installed
[16:36] <ali1234> because then i'll have to wait for less to install
[16:48]  * AlanBell is being very English and doing a bbq in the rain
[16:52] <penguin42> are the chicken watching?
[16:53] <penguin42> or do they have an erm...more active part in the bbq ?
[16:55] <gordonjcp> haha
[17:11] <Myrtti> lol
[17:12] <AlanBell> not this time, they are just spectators
[18:20] <Azelphur> What's a good thing to use to send money instead of paypal?
[18:20] <Azelphur> They just nuked a friends account :<
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: just "send cash to a friend" type of thing?
[18:21] <Azelphur> yea
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> bitcoins :P
[18:22] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: haha, we would use bitcoins but he needs to purchase stuff from retailers that only accept USD
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> So.. direct bank transfer?
[18:22] <Azelphur> although it is bitcoin related business
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> (those are instant in .nl, don't know about the UK)
[18:22] <Azelphur> could do, but I dunno how well banks do with the whole currency conversion thing?
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> It's their job ;)
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> But sending money to another country might take longer
[18:24] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Is it all in one country, or are you in different ones?
[18:24] <Azelphur> different countries
[18:24] <Azelphur> he's canada, I'm UK
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> Canada, that's better than the US ;)
[18:25] <Azelphur> luckily paypal lets him refund recent transactions
[18:25] <Azelphur> or they would have eaten $1000 of mine :/
[18:25] <Azelphur> refunded it all back to me and I'll send it to him a different way haha
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: My bank has a page (one for each country) on how to wire money there
[18:26] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: that's pretty handy
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: maybe yours does too?
[18:26] <Azelphur> my bank is santander
[18:26] <Azelphur> they don't do anything handy ever
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.santander.co.uk/csgs/Satellite?appID=abbey.internet.Abbeycom&c=Page&canal=CABBEYCOM&cid=1210607023591&empr=Abbeycom&leng=en_GB&pagename=Abbeycom%2FPage%2FWC_ACOM_TemplateA2#Sending a payment to someone overseas;
[18:27] <Azelphur> ah fun :P
[18:28] <Azelphur> besides that though, is there any replacement for paypal that doesn't suck balls.
[18:32] <dwatkins> I think they pretty much have the market cornered, Azelphur.
[18:33] <Azelphur> :<
[18:33] <ali1234> santander sucks man
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> Western Union?
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> Canada needs to join the EU -- it would make this a lot easier/cheaper ;)
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area
[18:37] <penguin42> they should apply, I mean distance wise it's probably as close as some other places
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: policy-wise as well.. and it'd annoy the hell out of the US :)
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: Plus they already have your queen.. so it's a small step!
[18:38] <penguin42> hey hey - lets be careful who is having our Majesty
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> OK "they share a queen with you".. better?
[18:40] <penguin42> sharing nowt - they can have a bit of Prince Phillip if they really want
[18:52] <daubers> o/
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> \o daubster
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> hmm..
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> daubers: if you start making music, we need to call it "daubstep"
[18:54] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I'm still learning the banjo if that helps
[18:55] <gordonjcp> yes daub | flite -f -
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> flite?
[19:24] <constrictor> has anyone had any luck installing the lenses from here? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/10-unity-lenses-scopes/2
[19:24] <constrictor> sorry http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/10-unity-lenses-scopes/
[19:25] <constrictor> apt keeps telling me the ppa is not found http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/10-unity-lenses-scopes/
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> constrictor: which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> this is an article from January, Unity has changed since then
[19:26] <constrictor> precise
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> constrictor: those PPAs are for 11.10 (oneiric)
[19:26] <constrictor> ah i see
[19:27] <constrictor> MartijnVdS: are there any for precise yet?
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> lots of lenses for precise
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> no idea where, but I've read people were making them
[19:28] <constrictor> is there one ppa or are they all over he place
[19:29] <constrictor> i found one if youre interested. The one I was looking for was for my google contacts and I think there's one for precise here
[19:29] <constrictor> https://launchpad.net/~atareao/+archive/lenses
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> First: think of what kind of lens you want
[19:30] <MartijnVdS>  then: go look for it
[19:32] <constrictor> ta
[19:40] <ali1234> hmm
[19:46]  * MartijnVdS considers http://www.voltaicsystems.com/fuse4w.shtml
[19:47] <bittin> the trunk kernel is kinda stable in DebianPPC :o
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> ?
[19:49] <Azelphur> Is there a useful editor so I can see what my readme would look like on github?
[19:49] <Azelphur> trying to write it in a text editor with no idea of the line length and stuff always results in bad
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> Don't people call it "README.md" on github?
[19:49] <Azelphur> yea
[19:49] <AlanBell> markdown
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> so.. look for a markdown viewer :)
[19:50] <Azelphur> aha, I found a live preview site on it
[19:50] <Azelphur> http://github.github.com/github-flavored-markdown/preview.html \o/
[20:40] <daubers> ping AlanBell
[20:41] <AlanBell> o/
[20:42] <daubers> Can I ask for a set of CD's please? Am organising a stand at the NADAR rally for the reading hackspace so would have space for Ubuntu CD's :)
[20:42] <AlanBell> sure, want to wait for the 12.04 ones?
[20:42] <AlanBell> when is the event?
[20:42] <daubers> Yes please :)
[20:42] <daubers> 17th of June
[20:42] <AlanBell> oh great, no problem then
[20:43] <daubers> http://www.nadars.org.uk/rally.asp
[20:43] <daubers> It's only £7.50 for a stand if the UUK folks wanted to look at getting one
[20:43] <gordonjcp> ooo
[20:44] <gordonjcp> a radio rally that happens shortly after I get paid!
[20:44] <daubers> heh
[20:44] <AlanBell> day after my birthday
[20:45] <gordonjcp> I was going to go to Blackpool today but I get paid on Tuesday...
[20:56] <Azelphur> anyone know how to check if a key is signed with gpg?
[21:00] <bigcalm> Is there a way to view binary files in hex?
[21:05] <ahayzen> bigcalm: GHex may do the trick
[21:05] <ali1234> how do i get to the indicator icons with the keyboard?
[21:05] <ali1234> mouse stopped working :/
[21:05] <ahayzen> ali1234: Press F10 then use the arrow keys
[21:06] <ali1234> didn;t work
[21:06] <ahayzen> =-O
[21:06] <ali1234> SDL mouse grab has messed up unity
[21:06] <ali1234> alt tab doesn't work
[21:06] <ali1234> alt ` doesn't work
[21:06] <ali1234> i can't click on anything at all
[21:07] <ali1234> i can press windows-tab to get to launcher icons
[21:07] <ali1234> i can click on things inside the focused window but clicking n a different window does nothing
[21:07] <ali1234> can only change by windows-tab through launcher icons
[21:09] <ali1234> this is really weird
[21:13] <ali1234> well that was odd
[21:13] <daftykins> 0o
[21:15] <jacobw> i've experienced that before when using a usb mouse in gtk environment
[21:15] <ali1234> i use a usb mouse in gtk all day every day
[21:15] <jacobw> i think the mouse button events are trapped by some window level
[21:16] <ali1234> yeah, it;s saomething to do with this SDL program i was just using for sure
[21:16] <ali1234> it grabs the mouse
[21:16] <ali1234> can't seem to reproduce it though
[21:17] <daftykins> i'm sure you will when you next really need to get something done D
[21:17] <daftykins> * :D
[21:17] <ali1234> it was something to do with window focus
[21:17] <ali1234> cos i had to alt-f4 all windows until there were none, then i could click unity stuff... when it got focus by default
[21:18] <jacobw> the only correlation i've noticed is with using gimp
[21:18] <ali1234> then i could log out and log in again
[21:18] <jacobw> so i find window focus plausible
[21:43] <bigcalm> Western Digital or Seagate for 2 x 500gb SATA3 drives?
[21:43] <daftykins> always been a WD fan myself but i don't think it really makes any difference
[21:49] <bigcalm> Ta
[21:53] <popey> bigcalm: buy one of each
[21:53] <bigcalm> For a raid
[21:53] <popey> less likely they'll both fail at the same time
[21:53] <popey> exactly
[21:53] <bigcalm> Ah
[21:53] <bigcalm> You have a good point :)
[21:53] <popey> i have had two drives from the same batch fail within a month or so of eachother
[21:54] <bigcalm> Obviously you haven't been drinking 8.5% alc Belgium beer
[21:54] <popey> ☺
[21:54] <popey> 12.5% red wine actually
[21:54] <bigcalm> (best time to make online purchases)
[21:56] <bigcalm> I think the CO2 in the beer attaches the alc to hemoglobin. Thus a half pint of shandy will induce the same state as a pint of beer in the short term
[21:56] <daftykins> haha
[21:56] <daftykins> my friend got drunk enough the other night and woke up to confirmation order emails
[21:56] <bigcalm> Damn, if I can pontificate about this, I haven't drunk enough
[21:56] <daftykins> ;D
[21:56] <daftykins> back to the fridge with you! responsibly i mean...
[21:57] <bigcalm> I've ordered 8gb of ram, now for the hard drives
[21:57] <popey> i ordered 3 ubuntu t-shirts whilst drunk once
[21:57] <popey> they were withdrawn from sale the next day
[21:57] <popey> so i have 3 of 72 that were sold ☺
[21:58] <daftykins> drunken popey dancing on the table with a laptop going CLOTH ME CANONICAL!
[21:58] <daftykins> sounds amusing :>
[21:58] <hamitron> I was gonna make a rude remark about running out of material, when making your size ;)
[21:58] <directhex> i wish i could afford a new pc :<
[21:58] <hamitron> but na, better not
[21:58] <directhex> just bought a new data drive, due to old one failing
[21:58]  * Laney wants one of those intrepid t-shirts
[21:58] <daftykins> directhex: what kit are you running?
[21:59] <bigcalm> http://www.ebuyer.com/272944-seagate-500gb-3-5-sata-iii-6gb-s-barracuda-hard-drive-7200rpm-16mb-cache-st500dm002 - and - http://www.ebuyer.com/241715-wd-500gb-3-5-sata-6gb-s-caviar-blue-hard-drive-7200rpm-16mb-wd5000aakx
[21:59] <directhex> i7 920, 5850
[21:59] <daftykins> pff that's plenty new
[21:59] <directhex> bigcalm, i just bought a deathstar!
[21:59] <daftykins> i've a Q6600 back home
[21:59] <popey> i should put them on ebay
[21:59] <bigcalm> directhex: bwuhaha :)
[21:59] <daftykins> directhex: i always thought you'd be a bad guy
[21:59] <directhex> bigcalm, first time i've paid for an ibm^Whitachi disk
[21:59] <Laney> you could... give me one for free :-)
[21:59] <popey> yeah
[22:00] <popey> not gonna happen
[22:00] <directhex> daftykins, problem is, wifey has an i5 2500, and 6970
[22:00] <Laney> :(
[22:00] <Laney> :( :( :( :( :( :(
[22:00] <bigcalm> As popey says, this should see me right enough :) I'm not out to fleece the company I work for
[22:00] <popey> its my kids inheritance!
[22:00] <hamitron> isn't the 6970, basically a 5870?
[22:00] <popey> and now
[22:00] <popey> bed
[22:00] <daftykins> directhex: send 'er down the mines i say, earn for your toys :D
[22:00] <popey> and fingers crossed a raspberry pi arrives this week
[22:01] <daftykins> heh
[22:01] <Laney> what's an i? :(
[22:01] <daftykins> i'm off too, up early for builders again
[22:01] <bigcalm> Yay, haven't used ebuyer for so long that they have forgotten my account :D
[22:01] <daftykins> nn all \o
[22:01]  * Laney has e6600 (H)
[22:02] <bigcalm> Ah, wrong email
[22:02] <bigcalm> Night popey & daftykins
[22:02] <daftykins> (my lappy has an i5, just transcoded some SD content at zomgfast)
[22:02] <daftykins> bigcalm: gl with your purchasing :>
[22:03] <bigcalm> ta
[22:09] <bigcalm> To buy new ram and 2 hdd, I was given a budget of 250 quid exVAT. Total order has come to 190.57 incVAT
[22:09]  * bigcalm feels good about this
[22:10] <zleap> bigcalm, nice
[22:12] <ali1234> how high is the unity top panel?
[22:14] <ali1234> 24 pixels :)