[06:58] <LinuxNIT-laptop> how is that better?
[06:59] <yellowdart> LinuxNIT-laptop: os x does the same thing...you can accomplish any root task with sudo ('sudo -i' for a persistent login)
[06:59] <LinuxNIT-laptop> how is that better?
[06:59] <yellowdart> LinuxNIT-laptop: because every linux system has a user 'root' so if it's disabled then they would have to guess your username and password to compromise your system
[07:00] <yellowdart> not just root's password
[07:00] <LinuxNIT-laptop> then if there is more than one user the other if he didnt know so much could really screw things up
[07:01] <yellowdart> well, that's the thing with sudo...only users of a certain group are allowed to use it
[07:01] <yellowdart> usually 'wheel'
[07:01] <LinuxNIT-laptop> ok
[07:02] <kkathman> and you dont know how much you miss sudo, until you dont have it :)
[07:02] <yellowdart> so, you can create other "non-admin" users that cannot change settings with sudo
[07:02] <kkathman> I hate having to su to a root account !!!!!
[07:02] <sampan> is this where i chime in with my little root slogan?
[07:02] <kkathman> go for it sampan :)
[07:02] <sampan> roots are for trees! save the trees! use sudo!
[07:02] <sampan> :X
[07:02] <LinuxNIT-laptop> why once youhave su'd then you dont have to type sudo before every command
[07:02] <kkathman> hehe
[07:02] <yellowdart> hehe
[07:03] <LinuxNIT-laptop> lol
[07:03] <yellowdart> LinuxNIT-laptop: su is like saying "log in as super user"
[07:03] <LinuxNIT-laptop> yeah i know
[07:03] <kkathman> LinuxNIT-laptop: I personally believe that people think too much of their ability (nobody believes they are worse than they are)
[07:03] <kkathman> for THAT REASON ALONE, sudo should be the choice
[07:03] <kkathman> because there is NO more dangerous thing, than an innept user with root priviledges
[07:04] <LinuxNIT-laptop> yeah
[07:04] <yellowdart> LinuxNIT-laptop: plus with sudo, you only make a mistake if you DELIBERATLY WANT TO
[07:04] <yellowdart> yeah
[07:04] <kkathman> and who wants to keep toggling back and forth from their own name and root!! its a waste of time
[07:04] <LinuxNIT-laptop> and not with su?
[07:04] <sampan> linuxnit there's a timeout on sudo -- if you're doing multiple commands it won't make you redo the pw every time.  on top of that, you can use an option to have a persistent root session -- in short, you can do everything a root can do and have none of the risk
[07:04] <kkathman> sudo is very easy and almost 2nd nature
[07:04] <kkathman> besides, sudo is a much safer model and more robust
[07:05] <sampan> no risk of getting your su and non-su term mixed up
[07:05] <kkathman> exactly
[07:05] <LinuxNIT-laptop> on more question
[07:05] <yellowdart> sampan: you can also configure sudo (really dangerous) to not need a password from certain users or groups as well
[07:05] <kkathman> people that su to root  forget they are root and all of a sudden things arent set right
[07:06] <LinuxNIT-laptop> if it stores the password woulndt that make it easier for some type of script virus to do damage?
[07:06] <sampan> yellowdart hahaha that sort of defeats the whole purpose -- but it's nice to know linux will obligingly let you shoot yourself in the foot!
[07:06] <kkathman> LinuxNIT-laptop: how many viruses have you seen on linux?
[07:06] <LinuxNIT-laptop> kkathman, still havent done that one
[07:07] <kkathman> hehe.. me neither..as in ZERO
[07:07] <LinuxNIT-laptop> personally i havent seen one yet but they do exist and its only time before the become more prevelant
[07:07] <LinuxNIT-laptop> as linux grows so with the num of viruses
[07:07] <yellowdart> sampan: yeah, 'sudo visudo' is how you configure /etc/sudoers
[07:07] <kkathman> but there are precautions for that too anyway...like any other security issue
[07:07] <sampan> yellowdart  with my luck i'd manage to bork the file trying to use vi ... :X
[07:07] <kkathman> yellowdart: I always think of Phil Collins Sussudio when someone says that
[07:09] <yellowdart> sampan: actually i think it's nano that it uses...not sure why it's 'visudo' but hey
[07:09] <yellowdart> kkathman: hehe
[07:09] <sampan> linuxnit, storing the timeout session is surely no more dangerous than having a terminal session logged in as root -- both sessions have admin rights, so if someone could hijack the sudo-time-out session they could hijack your root session too
[07:10] <sampan> but at least the sudo session EXPIRES automatically so you don't leave it up accidentally for days
[07:10] <LinuxNIT-laptop> i dont leave root sessions logged in :)
[07:10] <LinuxNIT-laptop> when im dont so are they :)
[07:10] <yellowdart> LinuxNIT-laptop: not that you're aware of at least... ;)
[07:10] <LinuxNIT-laptop> dont = done
[07:11] <sampan> but you -could- even without intending to (a phone call that interupts ...)!  still the sudo is safer
[07:11] <LinuxNIT-laptop> ok
[07:11] <yellowdart> sampan: 'man sudoers' shows you how to load your gun and aim at your foot... :)
[07:11] <LinuxNIT-laptop> yesssssssssssss
[07:12] <sampan> hahahaha
[07:12] <LinuxNIT-laptop> jsut what i want
[07:12] <LinuxNIT-laptop> ;)
[07:12] <sampan> yellowdart  you sound like you're almost encouraging me to experiment -- tsk tsk!
[07:12] <sampan> ;)
[07:13] <yellowdart> sampan: well...how about "latent safety"...you can have sudo email you everytime you use it...so you can look back and remember :)
[07:14] <yellowdart> hehe
[07:14] <yellowdart> nice...i just saw that you can set sudo to insult you if you get the password wrong :)
[07:16] <macd> be nice to the typog god.
[07:16] <macd> typo*
[07:16] <sampan> only thing i would probably use in there would be to lower the timeout -- i almost never need 15 minutes in a row
[07:17] <sampan> but i'm not sure lowering that is worth having to fiddle with vi :/
[07:18] <yellowdart> sampan: like i said...sudo visudo brings up nano for me...so it's pretty easy
[07:19] <sampan> ohhhhhhh ... i missed that ... is that default? or did you have to change a setting?
[07:20] <sampan> bah, comes up with vi for me
[07:20] <yellowdart> sampan: i have changed nothing
[07:20] <yellowdart> maybe it's the default "editor"
[07:21] <yellowdart> i know how to change that in gentoo.. but not ubuntu
[07:24] <yellowdart> sampan: what's so hard about vi anyhow :)
[07:24] <yellowdart> of course i like emacs way better myself
[07:27] <sampan> yellowdart it's probably not "hard" if i were to take the time to track down tutorials and command explanations, but since i'll almost never use it (not a programmer or techie), it's a rather large time expenditure just to change a file
[07:29] <yellowdart> sampan: well...there are really 4 things you have to remember...
[07:30] <yellowdart> 'i' lets you start writing (insert)...'esc' leaves insert mode... ':w" saves a file (non-insert mode) and ':q' quits vi (non-insert mode)
[07:31] <yellowdart> you can do :wq to write/quit
[07:32] <yellowdart> sampan: but true...it's hardly worth the effort of anything in-depth if you're not a programmer
[07:33] <yellowdart> plus not many programmers nowadays like to use vi or emacs...they all get caught up in their gui's :)
[07:34] <yellowdart> personally i like emacs because i don't like to use my mouse unless i have to...and all emacs is, is a series of hotkeys
[07:34] <sampan> hehe -- nice to know it's not just us "normal" people who are susceptible to that
[07:35] <yellowdart> sampan: that's what happens when people grow up with notepad and visual studio...hehe
[07:35] <yellowdart> i accept i'm a minority
[07:36] <sampan> yeah ... you're right though, in a purely textual medium the mouse can be inefficient.  that i can understand -- it's the same reason i use irssi instead of xchat or some other gui irc client -- irc is text, keyboard is simply the most efficient way once it's set up right
[07:37] <yellowdart> sampan: y'know...that earns you a new level of respect from me...not many non-programmers know the power of hotkeys :)
[07:38] <sampan> lol :D  well i've been on irc since ... sheesh, when i had to telnet into networks ;/  color and gui?  pffffffft!  it was -all- text and all monochrome :D
[07:38] <yellowdart> sampan: really, the only thing that i use a "mouse" for in any extended means...in photoshop on my mac. and even then i use my graphics tablet, so it's not even really a mouse
[07:39] <yellowdart> hehe...zmodem!!! that's how i used to access the internet through the public library's system
[07:40] <yellowdart> 9600 baud :)
[07:40] <sampan> hahahaha -- good old days
[07:40] <thompa> how can i make windows default boot in grub
[07:41] <thompa> i want to switch it so ubutu is not first default
[07:41] <thompa> do i simply edit grub?
[07:42] <yellowdart> thompa: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:42] <yellowdart> the line that says default 0...change to whatever number windows is
[07:42] <thompa> ok, i figured, was just wondering if there was something new
[07:43] <thompa> like a setup choice or something
[07:43] <thompa> thanks
[07:43] <yellowdart> down at the bottom are all your boot options... start counting from the top at 0, 1, 2...n
[07:44] <yellowdart> whatever one is windows change 'default n'
[07:44] <thompa> ok
[07:44] <thompa> also can i remove the old kernel entries i guess
[07:45] <yellowdart> well, actually...if you remove them with synaptic or adept then grub auto-updates to remove them too
[07:45] <thompa> thats nice
[07:45] <yellowdart> thompa: but, yes...you can remove them
[07:46] <yellowdart> i would suggest commenting them out though if you're going to do that
[07:46] <thompa> yellowdart: are you using kde 3.5?
[07:46] <yellowdart> yes
[07:46] <yellowdart> just upgraded about 3 hours ago
[07:48] <kkathman> very nice features added :)
[07:48] <thompa> konqueror is fast
[07:50] <thompa> thanks again, good night!
[07:57] <insanekane> hello aseigo
[07:57] <thompa> kubuntu is real nice now
[07:58] <thompa> system settings seems to be fixed now
[07:58] <thompa> or maybe thats kde 3.5
[07:59] <thompa> is there a question bot here?
[07:59] <thompa> !realplayer
[07:59] <ubotu> I heard realplayer is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:00] <thompa> i think kaffeine will play real formats now
[08:01] <thompa> !css
[08:01] <ubotu> thompa: Are you on ritalin?
[08:01] <thompa> how do i get real codecs stuff?
[08:01] <thompa> i dont want real player
[08:02] <sampan> ubotu tell thompa about restrictedformats
[08:03] <sampan> thompa, check ubotu's pm ... that link should get you going
[08:03] <xwolf-> what do i have to edit in xorg.conf so that i can run my kubuntu with 1024x768 under vmware?
[08:03] <thompa> thanks, i heard real player is unnecessary now for streaming bbc
[08:04] <thompa> !FreeFormats
[08:04] <ubotu> well, freeformats is There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[08:04] <sampan> thompa, no problem.  i don't do much multimedia, so i have no idea about BBC streams (though i do read their text articles every so often)
[08:05] <thompa> i think kde can do it all now
[08:05] <hydenesse> kubuntu is great
[08:05] <yellowdart> well, it's time for me go to bed...
[08:05] <hydenesse> anyone know where ican get xmms for kubuntu???
[08:05] <sampan> g'night yellowdart  :)
[08:05] <yellowdart> sampan: later :)
[08:06] <sampan> hydenesse  if you have the repos enabled, you can get xmms through adept (or in konsole by: sudo aptitude install xmms ... or sudo apt-get install xmms)
[08:08] <thompa> ipod poped right up
[08:08] <thompa> im using it only for hard drive backup
[08:09] <sampan> that's an expensive HD backup -- how about you send me the ipod, and i'll send you a 60 GB hd in a usb enclosure!?
[08:09] <sampan> <_<
[08:09] <sampan> >_>
[08:09] <thompa> its an older model
[08:09] <thompa> shakes a bit
[08:10] <sampan> ahhhh
[08:11] <thompa> i never used it for music
[08:13] <thompa> auf weidersein!
[08:35] <hubbadub> i have a question for you guys, what is the best Linux IRC client?
[08:35] <hubbadub> im specifically looking for something that will save my username/password in the bookmarks, which i cant fiqure out how to make konversation do
[08:36] <sampan> hubbadub  you will get many different responses.  really, it's all up to you and your tastes.  xchat, konversation, irssi, bitchx, kvirc -- they all have their advocates
[08:36] <jariep1_> how do I get mail can somebody help me with ddclient
[08:36] <jariep1_> for dyndns
[08:37] <sampan> hubbadub  in konversation, open up the server list, then click on the "default identity" for the server in question -- then you can hit "edit" and set up commands to auto-execute on connect
[08:51] <hydenesse> iddnt have repos ..and my computer is in standalone mode...
[08:51] <hydenesse> how do i get xmms rpm..
[08:51] <ilba7r> !easysource
[08:51] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:52] <ilba7r> hydenesse, look for .deb rpm is for redhat based distro this is deb based one
[08:52] <hydenesse> it is the same with any other xmms?
[08:52] <hydenesse> ups
[08:52] <hydenesse> .deb??
[08:52] <ilba7r> hydenesse, they are diff binaries
[08:52] <hydenesse> xmms.deb?
[08:53] <ilba7r> hydenesse, do you use synaptic
[08:54] <ilba7r> hydenesse, i guess you use kubuntu so the package managers are adapet and kynaptic. launch them and search for the binary (program) or library you need
[08:56] <hydenesse> its different with any other rpm??
[08:57] <hydenesse> whats make kubuntu more powerfull from the other distro?
[08:57] <ilba7r> hydenesse, we do not install rpm in kubuntu not unless there is no deb or source package which is highly unlikely
[08:58] <hydenesse> so are we free from depedencies???
[08:59] <ilba7r> hydenesse, they are all linux. The diff is with the support you get till you learn linux. And with the ease of maintaining your os and packages
[08:59] <ilba7r> and in this ubuntu is really good
[09:00] <hydenesse> i usually use FC 3 and mandrake 9
[09:00] <ilba7r> hydenesse, there are dependencies but are not a hastle like rpm. Debian is known for it superb package management. You can check these information on Distrowatch.com for comparison between diff distros and package managements
[09:01] <ilba7r> hydenesse, i come form suse and mandrake the transition will take some time but it was worth it for me
[09:02] <hydenesse> the debian packages always complete with their depedencies?
[09:02] <hydenesse> is the debian packages always complete with their depedencies?
[09:04] <hubbadub> sampan, thanks for the advice on how to auto-login to different channels!
[09:04] <hubbadub> i got it working all good now
[09:04] <sampan> hubbadub  glad to hear it :)  almost all irc clients will do that -- so don't let it stop you from experimenting with other clients if you get the urge :)
[09:05] <hubbadub> cool, thanks, but im not sure that is necessary, the layout and simplicity of konversation is probably all i will ever need :D
[09:05] <hydenesse> where can i find package for xmms in kubuntu??(without rpos)..
[09:05] <sampan> perfect! it's all about choice -- if you're happy that's really the only thing that counts :D
[09:06] <ilba7r> hydenesse, if you use the package management you forget about dependencies. If you do not use it you will take care of dependencies
[09:06] <sampan> hydenesse  you can download it directly from http://packages.ubuntu.com  ... to install then: dpkg -i package.name.here
[09:07] <hydenesse> thanks sampan
[09:07] <sampan> hydenesse  but as ilba7r said, if you go that route, dependencies can be a huge problem.
[09:07] <hydenesse> what is the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu
[09:07] <hydenesse> ??
[09:07] <sampan> the repos via package managers take care of all the dependencies for you - ubuntu is really designed as an online-OS in that way
[09:08] <hydenesse> u mean diskless?
[09:09] <sampan> after install, yes -- there's no need for a disk anymore (all the packages on the install disk are installed already)
[09:10] <hydenesse> oooo
[09:10] <hydenesse> its rather same with yum in fedora??
[09:11] <hydenesse> am i right??
[09:11] <hydenesse> is ubuntu live cd?
[09:11] <sampan> ubuntu has a livecd and an install cd.  (kubuntu too)
[09:17] <inc|stone> how can i get drivers for soundblaster live?
[09:17] <inc|stone> 24 bit
[09:21] <hubbadub> i just noticed some new kernel headers were installed for me with apt-get upgrade, can anyone explain exactly what that is?
[09:24] <hubbadub> i mean how important are they? since it auto reconfigures grub, which is slightly irritating
[09:25] <ilba7r> hubbadub, most probably it is a security update. The image and headers are updated together
[09:26] <hubbadub> ok cool so its important then :D
[09:26] <ilba7r> yes i am installing it now and it is security update allright
[09:26] <hubbadub> is there away to avoid having kernel/header/image updates not alter my grub flags?
[09:27] <hubbadub> for instance my initng flag
[09:27] <ilba7r> hubbadub, sorry i do not know how to do that. I wish i knew though
[09:28] <ilba7r> by the way the image update change grub. the header is just the header c files you might need if you compile something
[09:28] <ilba7r> so they go together
[09:29] <ilba7r> ok need to reboot now to see if something is messed up in my grub too :) take care
[09:29] <hubbadub> cool thanks ilba
[09:29] <sampan> does the update actually change the bootflags?  or just the kernel image name?
[09:32] <inc|stone> You have selected Live! 24-bit and Linux Sorry, no Creative updates are available for the selected query.
[09:32] <inc|stone> :/
[09:35] <hubbadub> no probs i take it ilba
[09:36] <ilba7r> the menu need re edititn
[09:36] <ilba7r> the grub-menu i mean
[09:36] <visik7> anyone can see this stream with any player rtsp://a2047.v1413b.c1413.g.vq.akamaistream.net:80/5/2047/1413/2_h264_110/1a1a1ae656c632970267e04ebd3196c428970e7ce857b81c4aab1677e445aedc3fae1b4a7bafe013/mw_2006_3_110.mov
[09:37] <ilba7r> other than that i did not compile to many modules. The main problem i used to have before was the ndiswrapper
[09:41] <hubbadub> yeah i was pretty lucky that all my hardware worked out of the box, well i had some trouble with my ATI drivers, but thats a issue for a lot of folks, same as ndiswrapper acutally
[09:42] <ilba7r> hubbadub, you know i did not want to install the ATi drivers just for that. Lost 3-d accel but better than the hastle
[09:42] <ilba7r> hubbadub, how well the drivers work. I heared a lot of problems with them. Another reason i was scared not to install them
[09:43] <hubbadub> well, it made my fonts look pretty different for some reason
[09:43] <hubbadub> so i had to do a lot of readjusting there
[09:43] <hubbadub> but they seem to work great for me now that i actually got them working
[09:43] <hubbadub> which took about 2 weeks lol
[09:43] <ilba7r> wow
[09:44] <ilba7r> i have an old card supposdly will work well. 9600 yet i am not tempted to loose such time trying to make it work
[09:44] <mth`MAW> Hello @all
[09:45] <hubbadub> well i followed the tutorial on the forums about 4 different times but it wasnt working for me, then just last week i tried a "modrobe rm fglx" , then added it again after reinstalling the drivers, and now it works perfectly
[09:46] <ilba7r> and now you will redow that again everytime the linux-image is updated
[09:46] <hubbadub> awesome
[09:46] <hubbadub> lol
[09:47] <hubbadub> i should just go back to the ATI driver then, i think, i dont game much
[09:47] <ilba7r> same here i do not game at all
[09:47] <hubbadub> maybe a hour a week of Enemy territory, but its not a big deal to give that up to have stable video drivers
[09:47] <hubbadub> ive been thinking about selling my 9800 on ebay for about 70-80 bucks and getting a nvidia 6600gt for about 130
[09:48] <hubbadub> i hear the nvidia drivers are head and shoulders better then ATI's
[09:48] <ilba7r> hubbadub, the problem is you will also have to compile the nivida drivers
[09:48] <visik7> anyone can see this stream with any playerhttp://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/jan/mw2006/m_mw_2006_650_ref.mov
[09:48] <visik7> anyone can see this stream with any player http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/jan/mw2006/m_mw_2006_650_ref.mov
[09:48] <ilba7r> visik7, i tried and it did not work sorry
[09:49] <inc|stone> how did i unpack files calls README.txt.gz?
[09:49] <visik7> ilba7r: no, the one above doesn't work anymore try the other
[09:50] <hubbadub> didnt work for me either visik, acutally, it froze firefox for me lol
[09:50] <visik7> hubbadub: no open it with mplayer or other mov capable player
[09:52] <ilba7r> visik7, does not work either
[09:53] <hubbadub> not for me either, what is it vis?
[09:53] <visik7> ilba7r: :((
[09:53] <hubbadub> is there any video stream rippers to rip it right to wmv as opposed to watching the stream?
[09:54] <ilba7r> visik7, not even in vlc
[09:54] <hubbadub> mov i mean
[09:56] <tanzender_uhu> Hallchen
[09:57] <visik7> ilba7r: seems to be a know problem
[09:57] <ilba7r> visik7, do you have a link on that?
[09:58] <ilba7r> for i ve been through that problem too and did not manage to solve it either
[10:08] <weedar> How do I get amarok to play mp3s? I followed the instructions on the amarok wiki..
[10:16] <paines> hi
[10:16] <ilba7r> hi
[10:17] <paines> i have a problem with kicker. everytime I shut down my box, kicker crashes. breezy and dapper3. anyone experinecing the same
[10:17] <hubbadub> did you change the engine in amarok weedar?
[10:18] <hubbadub> what programs are in your system tray paines?
[10:18] <paines> hubbadub: k.menu, amarok, kontact, firefox and konqueror
[10:20] <hubbadub> well i would try disabling the system tray for a shutdown and see if it happens, and i would also try a reinstall of kicker, try that 1st acutally
[10:20] <paines> hubbadub: okay. i will try that. thanks
[10:21] <Tm_T> paines: actually, if it's not too big trouble, compile kicker yourself, no crashes here since ;)
[10:21] <hubbadub> i cant remember what program it was, but on hoary, a program would crash kicker if it was in the system tray on a shutdown (its been since fixed though)
[10:23] <paines> hubbadub: must be. cause the default configuration won't crash. only after I drop my favorites there
[10:23] <weedar> hubbadub, for some weird reason it worked after I quit amarok and started it again, even though I already had restarted it after installing the necessary addons to gstreamer-engine. :)
[10:24] <hubbadub> so it is working properly now?
[10:24] <juif> hola... would software compiled for debian run on kubuntu ?
[10:26] <paines> juif: depends on the dependencies of the software, like libs etc
[10:26] <ilba7r> juif not all
[10:26] <ilba7r> juif, the problem with deb targeting kernel module
[10:27] <hubbadub> computers are odd sometimes :D
[10:27] <juif> was just wonderin' cause i saw somewhere that kubuntu was based on debian
[10:28] <ilba7r> juif, most probbably you will find what ever you need in the repos of ubuntu
[10:32] <juif> i find almost everything i need in the repos :)
[10:32] <juif> just a few emulators i will need to compile myself, i gather
[10:33] <juif> can i have the link to that ubuntu page about compiling software for it ? anyone got it handy ?
[10:34] <weedar> hubbadub, yes it's working as it should. sorry for late reply :)
[10:35] <hubbadub> cool weedar, blast some good tunes for me
[10:36] <ilba7r> juif, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[10:36] <weedar> hubbadub, way ahead of you ;)
[10:36] <hubbadub> heh
[10:41] <juif> any special reason why video looks very strange when playing full screen ?
[10:41] <juif> i tried a few different players
[10:41] <juif> but whenever i play a file at something else than its original resolution
[10:41] <juif> it looks all jittery
[10:42] <paines> juif: what are you using for playing vids
[10:43] <paines> Tm_T: you just recompiled kicker ?
[10:43] <juif> i tried VLC and uuh, that other thing that came with kubuntu
[10:44] <juif> if you mean hardware
[10:44] <juif> its just some onboard thing
[10:44] <juif> VIA
[10:44] <paines> no no, the software
[10:44] <juif> ok
[10:44] <paines> try xine
[10:44] <juif> i did
[10:44] <juif> thats the one
[10:44] <juif> lemme try again
[10:45] <juif> nope
[10:45] <juif> its just awful
[10:46] <juif> like i was trying to play it on a tandy 1000
[10:46] <juif> drops to around 3 FPS when full screen
[10:46] <robotgeek> !enter
[10:46] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[10:47] <paines> well, via is an awful chipset. but thy made an via optimized xine version. http://sourceforge.net/projects/viaexp/
[10:49] <Tm_T> paines: yes
[10:49] <Tm_T> paines: I recompile kicker about twice a week
[10:49] <paines> Tm_T: and that did it? wow
[10:49] <Tm_T> paines: well, here
[10:49] <ilba7r> twice a week Tm_T do you like recompiling it that often :)
[10:49] <Tm_T> paines: that crash might be timing issue
[10:50] <Tm_T> ilba7r: well, that's not often, I use devel stuff
[10:50] <hubbadub> notes the irony of ubotu using 4 lines
[10:50] <Tm_T> ilba7r: I compile amaroK ~5 times a day
[10:50] <ilba7r> i suspected that just kidding you
[10:50] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:50] <paines> Tm_T: okay. i will try that. thanks for the hint
[10:51] <Tm_T> paines: np, use svn if you're familiar with it
[10:51] <paines> Tm_T: yup. using it for  development too
[10:52] <Tm_T> paines: excellent
[10:53] <Tm_T> paines: just use --enable-debug=full when cofiguring, so if it still crashing, you're able to track it, maybe
[10:56] <paines> Tm_T: okay. thx
[11:09] <Phazeman> hi all. sin'ce i've ever done this myself, i would like to have some explanation/read some article about... i want tu upgrade my existing ubuntu breezy to the newly released dapper beta 3... can someone point me to any document explainging the process ? thanks in advance
[11:09] <ilba7r> !dapper
[11:09] <ubotu> I heard dapper is The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release. Release date April 20, 2006. Not before. It is NOT ready for use.  Use it at your _own_ risk, when it breaks you need to be able to fix it yourself.
[11:10] <Phazeman> ilba7r: i know those facts... but still i want to try it... i know that to do the update i have to change the sources list but i've never done this for updating the whole distro...
[11:10] <ilba7r> !dapper drake
[11:10] <ubotu> I heard dapper drake is the 4th release for Ubuntu (ver. 6.04). For goals see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperGoals. To try without removing/breaking breezy see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot. see warnings !dapper
[11:11] <ilba7r> Phazeman, i would suggest the second approach if you just need to try it. this way you will not break breezy
[11:12] <Phazeman> ilba7r: you mean the chroot ?
[11:12] <ilba7r> yap
[11:12] <Phazeman> thanks much.. will try that... but i wanted to see all the new improvements in the GUI
[11:12] <Phazeman> like the updates icons and the new control panel and stuff
[11:12] <Phazeman> just interested to see it
[11:13] <ilba7r> Phazeman, this will show it all to you
[11:14] <ilba7r> Phazeman, if you replace breezy though it is kind of guranteed it will break something. most of the time your sound
[11:15] <Phazeman> ilba7r: i will try to get the chroot first... though, last time i've done this was with MDK 8.2.... will haev to clean the rust...
[11:15] <ilba7r> good luck than
[11:28] <tomplast> can anyone tell me how you translate documents?
[11:28] <tomplast> Im from Sweden and I thought that it would be nice if more documents were translated into Swedish.
[11:28] <robotgeek> tomplast: mostly using launchpad
[11:28] <tomplast> how?
[11:29] <tomplast> I have been able to translate programs through rosetta
[11:29] <tomplast> but this launchpad I don't really know of
[11:29] <tomplast> can you give me a url or something?
[11:30] <robotgeek> tomplast: moment, pulling it up
[11:30] <tomplast> thanks :)
[11:32] <robotgeek> tomplast: the only url i can pull right now is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate
[11:33] <tomplast> oki thanks
[11:33] <tomplast> btw what is the best way to start programming in ubuntu/kubuntu?
[11:33] <tomplast> is it python?
[11:34] <robotgeek> tomplast: /j #ubuntu-translators
[11:34] <tomplast> ah :)
[11:34] <tomplast> thank you robotgeek :)
[11:35] <robotgeek> tomplast: not too many ppl in there :(
[11:35] <tomplast> :/
[11:35] <tomplast> it sad
[11:35] <tomplast> but do you know anything about programming?
[11:35] <galorin> Does anyone in here have experience with sleep states?  I'm trying to get suspend to disk and suspend to ram working.  The system appears to go down fine, but coming back up is problematic.
[11:36] <galorin> tomplast, do you have any previous programming experience?
[11:36] <tomplast> hmm, C/C++, Assembly, basic
[11:36] <tomplast> but nothing advanced
[11:38] <tomplast> i think i have read that python is quite easy to learn and that ubuntu/kubuntu tries to focus more at python
[11:38] <robotgeek> tomplast: /j #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:38] <tomplast> why?
[11:39] <tomplast> i mean, programmings isnt such a offtopic :/
[11:39] <tomplast> programming
[11:39] <tomplast> okioki
[11:39] <tomplast> bye
[11:39] <robotgeek> tomplast: not related to kubuntu support
[11:39] <tomplast> oki
[11:39] <robotgeek> tomplast: don't leave :)
[11:39] <tomplast> oki
[11:39] <tomplast> then i can ask for some more support then i guess :P
[11:39] <galorin> Assembl.. nothing advanced eh? LOL  Anyhow, what sort of stuff do you want to program?  If you want to do scripting, use whatever language the script needs.  For more advanced programs, use whatever language would work best with the program.
[11:40] <tomplast> games galorin ;)
[11:40] <tomplast> have you tried dapper drake robotgeek?
[11:40] <robotgeek> tomplast: actually on it right now :)
[11:40] <tomplast> is it working good?
[11:40] <galorin> tomplast, 3d, 2d, text?
[11:40] <robotgeek> tomplast: i am on the live cd since 5 minutes
[11:40] <tomplast> galorin: 2d
[11:41] <tomplast> robotgeek: is the video-bug fixed? so that you can use webcams
[11:41] <robotgeek> tomplast: i like what i see till now
[11:41] <robotgeek> tomplast: no sure, you mean in kopete?
[11:41] <tomplast> robotgeek: yup an in amsn, it doesnt work anywhere. not for me anyway
[11:42] <robotgeek> tomplast: hmm, i am not sure. sorry don't have a webcam yet
[11:42] <tomplast> robotgeek: oh :(. but it isnt so nice when your whole system freezes as soon as you want to use your webcam :/
[11:42] <galorin> If you've got C experience, go with that, and maybe hit happypenguin.org, and look at the projects there.  You can get access to source code for loads of the games, and see what they use, and how they use it.
[11:42] <tomplast> galoring: thanks :). then I have something todo tody :P
[11:43] <tomplast> today
[11:44] <robotgeek> hey melonipoika , did you get any solution to your problem?
[11:46] <galorin> Maybe I'l wait until my new vid card arrives before trying to get resume working.  I'll be using nvidia drivers, instead of whatever funky thing is on-board this PC.
[12:08] <_max_> Anyone successfully gotten a onboard graphics card and a Geforce card working with 3 monitors?
[12:08] <_max_> i can't for the life of me get it working.
[12:08] <_max_> onboard : i810 , pci : Geforce MX4000 (vga+dvi)
[12:31] <paines> _max_: http://gentoo-wiki.com/EvilDick%27s_Triple_Monitors
[12:37] <_max_> im guessing my Geforce mx4000 is using dubble buffer, does that module come with nvidia package? or do i need to get that on my own?
[12:47] <DocTomoe> I have a dapper problem, maybe someone can show me where to look: MySQL5 does no longer work in combination with PHP5, tells me "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (13)" ... what can I do?
[12:50] <andrzej> jest moe kto z polski?
[12:51] <DocTomoe> I dont even get all the characters you wrote, andrzej . You might try #kubuntu-pl
[12:54] <P3L|C4N0> hi people
[12:55] <DocTomoe> Hi, old-fasioned printer control language on some strange chemical formula I do not remember
[12:56] <_max_> paines : its still not activating any other monitor =/ iv tried like 10 of those sort of configs.
[12:56] <_max_> starting to wonder if its this crap card.
[01:22] <irasu> hi
[01:22] <crimsun> hi
[01:23] <irasu> How to change the resovlution durable? I tried the option in kcontrol, but it didn`t work.
[01:25] <crimsun> do you mean use a different resolution, like 1280x960 vs. 1024x768?
[01:26] <irasu> crimsun: No. Just want to change the resolution.
[01:27] <crimsun> irasu: does the System Settings not workL
[01:27] <crimsun> ?
[01:27] <crimsun> !tell irasu about fixres
[01:28] <irasu> crimsun: thank you. got i working
[01:46] <Mias> oh no: mias@(none):~$ sudo passwd root
[01:46] <Mias> sudo: unable to lookup (none) via gethostbyname()
[01:47] <Mias> but I gave my host a name yesterday!
[01:48] <robotgeek> Mias: did you change it manually, it also needs to be in /etc/hosts
[01:48] <Mias> how to get admin rights now, except copying my old passwd file?
[01:49] <Mias> robotgeek: yes, I said hostname $name as root
[01:49] <robotgeek> Mias: okay, now are you trying to enable root?
[01:50] <Mias> robotgeek: yes
[01:50] <robotgeek> Mias: why?
[01:51] <Mias> because sudo also dont work
[01:52] <robotgeek> Mias: did you reboot after that?
[01:52] <Mias> robotgeek: yes I did
[01:54] <robotgeek> Mias: i know that you have to change the hostname in /etc/hosts, but i don't remember how i managed to fix this issue. maybe edit it from the single user mode?
[01:55] <Mias> robotgeek: what exactly has to be written there?
[01:56] <robotgeek> Mias: the hostname there will be different, which is causing the lookup issue
[02:07] <Mias> hmm there is no /etc/hosts at all..
[02:14] <robotgeek> Mias: ask in #ubuntu also
[02:16] <C-O-L-T> hello
[02:16] <C-O-L-T> Can I ask what is edubuntu?
[02:17] <Vivaldi> hello
[02:17] <rance_> Iits a flavor of ubuntu devoted to schools
[02:18] <Vivaldi> whats the flight thing?
[02:18] <C-O-L-T> rance_: what does contain which I can't find in ubuntu?
[02:18] <rance_> whats the command to reconfigure X (again :-)
[02:20] <rance_> not sure, but if kubuntu is any indication edubuntu is just a different subset of default starting packages, but all the packages come from the same repository
[02:21] <rance_> gotta GO
[02:21] <DjDarkman> hy ,i tried to update to the latest kde ,kde 3.5 but ,there are broken packeges in my list ,what should i do?
[02:22] <robotgeek> Vivaldi: flight is the latest release on the Dapper sequence indicating a milestone
[02:28] <Vivaldi> :(
[02:28] <Vivaldi> robotgeek, thanks
[02:28] <Vivaldi> i downloaded the image yesterday
[02:28] <Vivaldi> (the old one)
[02:28] <Vivaldi> now there's a new one
[02:29] <Vivaldi> too bad
[02:29] <DjDarkman> is flight dapper out?
[02:29] <DjDarkman> and it is stable?
[02:29] <robotgeek> !dapper
[02:29] <ubotu> dapper is, like, The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release. Release date April 20, 2006. Not before. It is NOT ready for use.  Use it at your _own_ risk, when it breaks you need to be able to fix it yourself.
[02:31] <DjDarkman> robotgeek: djdarkman.4ya.us/snapshot1.png ,please chek this i want to upgrade to kde 3.5 and i get this
[02:32] <shawkins-away> I upgraded fine....
[02:32] <shawkins-away> but mines was from a fresh install...
[02:32] <shawkins-away> mines*mie
[02:32] <shawkins-away> *mine
[02:32] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: open up a console, please
[02:32] <DjDarkman> ok robotgeek done
[02:33] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: sudo apt-get update
[02:33] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:34] <DjDarkman> ok i get dependencies
[02:34] <DjDarkman> so that`s the problem
[02:34] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:35] <DjDarkman> hmmm i get more dependencies
[02:35] <DjDarkman> should i satisfy them all and then update?
[02:37] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: does it say broken?
[02:37] <DjDarkman> no robotgeek it displays dependecies for example
[02:37] <DjDarkman>  akregator: Depends: libkdepim1a (>= 4:3.4.2) but it is not installed
[02:37] <DjDarkman>   kaddressbook: Depends: libkcal2b (>= 4:3.4.2) but it is not installed
[02:37] <DjDarkman>                 Depends: libkdepim1a (>= 4:3.4.2) but it is not installed
[02:39] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: sudo apt-get install akregator
[02:41] <DjDarkman> djdarkman@Darknet:~$ sudo apt-get install akregator
[02:41] <DjDarkman> Reading package lists... Done
[02:41] <DjDarkman> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:41] <DjDarkman> akregator is already the newest version.
[02:41] <DjDarkman> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[02:41] <DjDarkman> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:41] <DjDarkman> ...
[02:41] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: apt-get -f install then
[02:42] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: please use the pastebin to paste
[02:42] <robotgeek> !pastebin
[02:42] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:42] <DjDarkman> ok ,but what does apt-get f exactly do?
[02:44] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: man apt-get
[02:44] <DjDarkman> k robotgeek 10x
[02:56] <melonipoika> Hi, i need the kernel sources to compile ndiswrapper. I download and installed a package called linux-source that i found with synaptic and match with my kernel, but when i type "make" i get an error saying that it couln't find the kernel source. Can you tell me the exact name of the package i need to install or how to do it?
[02:56] <robotgeek> melonipoika, sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:57] <melonipoika> ok, thank you very much
[02:58] <melonipoika> robotgeek: did you manage with the usb booting?
[02:58] <robotgeek> melonipoika: it works in dapper
[03:00] <melonipoika> really? i installed dapper on the usb disk and i couldn't boot from it, i am not sure if my bios is ale to do it, at least it is saying that you can boot from usb 3 1/2 drive...
[03:00] <robotgeek> melonipoika: hmm, that's what the guys doing the live cd told me :)
[03:00] <robotgeek> melonipoika: i was able to boot into my hdd from the live cd, have tried usb hdd yet
[03:01] <Vivaldi> use the --force, melonipoika
[03:02] <hawking> are there any zip password recovery tools for linux?
[03:03] <Vivaldi> ?
[03:28] <eXistenZ> I find my Konqueror web browser quite slow, although I have a nice speed when downloading
[03:34] <fit4lfe> is it a good idea to install automatix on your 32 bit chroot ?
[03:38] <ForrestFunk> hello
[03:39] <ForrestFunk> can someone in here help me with a konversation problem?
[03:42] <Riddell> ForrestFunk: you have to say what the problem is
[03:43] <ForrestFunk> i want to know if there is some kind of perform ... so that i can automatically perform "auth command" at quakenet
[03:49] <thompa> im having some problem with fonts
[03:50] <thompa> id like to adjust them to a better state, i know i can do that in settings, but it still is not so good
[03:50] <thompa> first they looked bad in konsole and firefox,
[03:52] <thompa> i set my fonts to default but they still look somewhat poor
[03:52] <eXistenZ> how can I add the home folder shortcut to my desktop?
[03:53] <thompa> have you tried right click on desktop?
[04:00] <thompa> eXistenZ: seems to be a problem
[04:00] <thompa> im just trying to myself
[04:01] <mixi> nvidia
[04:02] <mixi> hello
[04:02] <mixi> !nvidia
[04:02] <ubotu> well, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[04:04] <thompa> eXistenZ: you can in system menu s, go to users folder, link it to desktop
[04:04] <Tm_T> mixi: hullo :)
[04:04] <thompa> hi'
[04:05] <thompa> does someone know how to fix fonts?
[04:05] <thompa> !fonts
[04:05] <ubotu> hmm... fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[04:08] <mixi> Tm_T: :)
[04:10] <thompa> seems no matter what i do fonts are bad
[04:13] <_root> wenas noxes
[04:16] <jose> hi all, does anyone know how to configure ndiswrapper? i think that the driver is already in the kernel so i dhoudln't install anything, but typing "ndiswrapper -i" i get error saying command not found
[04:17] <seashell11> !ndiswrapper
[04:17] <ubotu> somebody said ndiswrapper was a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[04:17] <knubbe-> is there a way to log my wlan connection? alert/write to file if it goes down
[04:17] <jose> thanks
[04:20] <visik7> ,
[04:20] <visik7> knubbe-: iwevents
[04:20] <visik7> knubbe-: iwevent
[04:23] <knubbe-> visik7: thanks!
[04:26] <jimb0> anyone have experience patching madwifi on kubuntu?
[04:30] <visik7> madwifi is in kubuntu
[04:30] <visik7> modprobe ath_pci
[04:30] <jimb0> i know
[04:30] <visik7> but ?
[04:30] <jimb0> but im trying to 'patch' it
[04:31] <visik7> why ?
[04:31] <jimb0> because i play with wep cracking on my AP just for learning
[04:31] <jimb0> and it works
[04:31] <jimb0> but its slow
[04:31] <jimb0> and i suspect a driver issue
[04:31] <visik7> ok what's the problem with the module provided by ubuntu ?
[04:31] <jimb0> nothing really, but i suspect if i used a patched driver it would work faster
[04:32] <jimb0> have you done wep cracking before?
[04:32] <visik7> yes
[04:32] <visik7> with madwifi too
[04:32] <jimb0> so heres my issue then
[04:32] <jimb0> i get IVs
[04:32] <jimb0> but slowly, about 1/5th speed i should get them
[04:32] <jimb0> so im going to try changing the drivers around
[04:32] <jimb0> using 'patched' drivers
[04:32] <visik7> with injection ?
[04:32] <jimb0> yes
[04:33] <thompa> how can i fix konsole fonts to look better?
[04:33] <visik7> and the speed that you refer to is ?
[04:33] <jimb0> well
[04:33] <jimb0> about 1000 IVs in 7 secs
[04:33] <jimb0> other people ive talked to, and the flash demos ive seen, will get 1000 IVs in about 1.5 secs
[04:35] <visik7> jimb0: we crack our  128bit wep in 2 hours
[04:35] <visik7> jimb0: don't remember the speed of IVs
[04:35] <jimb0> yeah
[04:35] <jimb0> 2 hours is how long it takes me
[04:35] <jimb0> for 128bit
[04:35] <jimb0> shouldnt take but 20 mins
[04:36] <jimb0> well you know maybe a little more than that
[04:36] <jimb0> it should be faster is what im saying.
[04:36] <jimb0> im suspecting a driver issue.
[04:37] <Xemanth^^^> from what package i get xorg includes and headers
[04:37] <visik7> jimb0: no should take 2 hour
[04:37] <visik7> it's normal
[04:38] <jimb0> im telling you ive talked to people about it and they are getting much faster
[04:38] <visik7> 'couse the same test is reproduced with a prism54
[04:38] <thompa> i did sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig so my fonts now look better
[04:38] <visik7> depend on the key
[04:38] <jimb0> no
[04:38] <thompa> xterm or konsole fonts are awful though
[04:38] <jimb0> im talking speed of getting IVs alone
[04:39] <jimb0> not aircrack speed
[04:39] <jimb0> aircrack is all cpu
[04:39] <jimb0> madwifi injection is very little cpu
[04:40] <visik7> I mean depend on the key if it could be discovered in less time than normal
[04:40] <jimb0> that's a different issue
[04:41] <jimb0> that's an issue of how MANY IVs
[04:41] <jimb0> not how fast you're receiving them
[04:41] <visik7> btw I've tried the latest cvs of mad-wifi and the speed was 2hours
[04:42] <jimb0> when was that?
[04:42] <visik7> 1 month ago
[04:42] <visik7> more or less
[04:42] <jimb0> k
[04:42] <visik7> maybe with madwifi-ng but injection is a problem with that driver
[04:42] <visik7> (i.e. doesn't work)
[04:42] <jimb0> yeah im kind of hesitant
[04:42] <jimb0> because it works....
[04:42] <jimb0> just want to make it work faster
[04:43] <visik7> what works ?
[04:43] <p337> Hey everyone...... How would i go about putting my laptop in standby?
[04:43] <jimb0> wep cracking in general
[04:43] <p337> is this possible with kubuntu?
[04:43] <visik7> I'm going to take a coffe be back soon
[04:43] <jimb0> p337 if your laptop is like mine it hates acpi
[04:43] <jimb0> so i use the noapic and acpi=off options at boot
[04:43] <p337> this will allow me to put my laptop into sleep mode?
[04:44] <jimb0> probably not
[04:44] <jimb0> :)
[04:44] <p337> heh.....
[04:44] <jimb0> but it fixed a bunch of hardware problems i was having
[04:44] <jimb0> mainly with interrupts
[04:44] <p337> well most of my hardware is good except sound... i just have to spend some time working on that
[04:45] <p337> I just need to be able to go into standby... because i cannot be loading the kernel between classes... and then connecting to the wireless network...
[04:45] <p337> by then the class has already started
[04:45] <visik7> ubuntu has suspend2 patch
[04:45] <seashell11> p337: try Preferences > Power Control > Laptop Battery
[04:46] <p337> aight.... lemme reboot with kubuntu
[04:50] <p337> ok.... i totally forgot what you said to do
[04:50] <p337> heh....
 p337: try Preferences > Power Control > Laptop Battery
[04:50] <p337> thanks
[04:51] <jimb0> doesnt mean it will work
[04:52] <jimb0> hibernate/suspend would work on my laptop until it wanted to come out of them
[04:52] <jimb0> (the screen would remain black, only option was hard shutdown)
[04:52] <seashell11> jimb0: Don't have to be so pessimistic, it might work, might as well try
[04:52] <p337> ok... i am a little lost...  where do i find power control preferences
[04:52] <p337> lol.. nvm....
[04:53] <thompa> hello
[04:53] <jimb0> uhm, wasnt pessimistic, was warning
[04:53] <jimb0> p337 system settings
[04:53] <p337> yeah i got it thanks
[04:53] <thompa> i could not find anything about konsole fonts on forum
[04:53] <jimb0> but generally i am pessimistic
[04:53] <jimb0> for the record
[04:54] <seashell11> jimb0: and I'm probably to much the opposit lol :-P
[04:54] <p337> ok.. im gonna try it
[04:54] <jimb0> its cool. thats good. people dont really like me very much.
[04:54] <thompa> hey is this thing on?
[04:55] <jimb0> no
[04:55] <thompa> ok
[04:55] <jimb0> is somebody talking?
[04:55] <seashell11> p337: you might have to right click the battery icon the hit suspend or whatever you want, I always have to right click the battery icon to hibernate
[04:55] <seashell11> p337: in the system tray
[04:55] <jimb0> theres an option to allow your computer to have those abilities
[04:56] <thompa> has anybody had font issues with konsole?
[04:56] <jimb0> theres a list of checkboxes of what you want to allow on your Kbattery system tray icon
[04:56] <thompa> it seems i fixed it by changing schema in settings
[04:56] <jimb0> ie hibernate, suspend, cpu throttling
[04:56] <jimb0> thompa: no
[04:56] <jimb0> is your resolution correct?
[04:56] <thompa> ok
[04:56] <jimb0> :p
[04:57] <thompa> thanks
[04:57] <thompa> i went through xorg.conf yes
[04:57] <seashell11> jimb0: do you know if there is a command line option for hibernating?
[04:57] <jimb0> no idea
[04:57] <jimb0> google
[04:57] <jimb0> not being an ass, just saying that i dont know, so google is best bet
[04:57] <jimb0> i feel like i have to filter my words ever since you called me a pessimist.
[04:57] <thompa> well it works if i use transparent schema, the dfault is scratchy looking
[04:58] <jimb0> change the font options around in the term
[04:58] <jimb0> what term do you use
[04:58] <thompa> it says konsole?
[04:58] <jimb0> and what version of kubuntu?
[04:58] <seashell11> jimb0: yea, iv'e tried google once, guess ill go have another shot at it, sometimes the second time you search you do something different and TADA! :-)
[04:58] <jimb0> yeah konsole is default
[04:58] <thompa> its a default new install
[04:58] <jimb0> right
[04:58] <jimb0> okay
[04:59] <jimb0> then i dont know what to tell you it should be pretty like the rest of the OS
[04:59] <thompa> though i installed kde 3.5
[04:59] <jimb0> thats good
[04:59] <jimb0> 3.5 = new
[04:59] <jimb0> oh you're saying
[04:59] <jimb0> your install cd didnt have 3.5?
[05:00] <p3372> That did not work.... it just turned off when i closed the lid
[05:00] <thompa> i installed ubuntu, then changed repos for 3.5, and installed kubuntu (kde 3.5)
[05:00] <jimb0> hahaha
[05:00] <jimb0> owned
[05:00] <jimb0> i told you to watch out man
[05:00] <p3372> lol indeed
[05:00] <Xemanth^^^> from what package i get xorg includes and headers, that i can compile kvirc cvs
[05:00] <jimb0> acpi is teh blow in linux as far as i can tell
[05:00] <thompa> something else is affecting fonts, im not sure what
[05:00] <jimb0> its just terrible with IRQs and APIC and ACPI and APM and all that shit
[05:01] <jimb0> no idea thompa
[05:01] <thompa> it works anyway
[05:01] <jimb0> change font settings
[05:01] <thompa> as long as i dont use default settings
[05:01] <jimb0> unless that doesnt fix anything
[05:01] <thompa> no that wont work
[05:01] <thompa> i had to change schema
[05:01] <jimb0> yeah i have no idea what you mean by scratchy
[05:01] <thompa> well ugly
[05:01] <jimb0> or that
[05:02] <thompa> chicken virus scratchy
[05:02] <jimb0> ohhh okay
[05:02] <jimb0> apply the chicken virus patch
[05:02] <thompa> ha
[05:02] <visik7> re
[05:02] <Blippe> is there more people than me that has font problems in kubuntu? Some boots, the font is real freaking tiny, altough the settings haven't changed. How do i fix that?
[05:02] <Xemanth^^^> chicken virus? :D
[05:02] <jimb0> apt-get install chickenvirusvaccine
[05:02] <thompa> i can help with fonts
[05:03] <jimb0> i dont have any font problems
[05:03] <jimb0> and i have an el-cheapo laptop
[05:03] <Blippe> thompa ?
[05:03] <visik7> jimb0: try on #madwifi
[05:03] <jimb0> k worth a shot, thanks
[05:03] <thompa> just a sec, i found some solutions, been playing with this all morning
[05:03] <jimb0> im already on #whax and #remote-exploit
[05:05] <thompa> Blippe: Is your montior resolution correct firstly?
[05:05] <thompa> Blippe: i have lcd so had to enter vert and horz sync in xorg.conf
[05:06] <thompa> Blippe: then....sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[05:06] <thompa>
[05:06] <jimb0> whats up with all the sudo, i hate not logging in as root all the time
[05:06] <seashell11> !sudo
[05:06] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[05:07] <jimb0> ....
[05:07] <jimb0> i hope that was a bot response
[05:07] <jimb0> because duh.
[05:07] <thompa> Blippe: you there?
[05:07] <visik7> jimb0: sudo -i
[05:07] <jimb0> i know
[05:07] <jimb0> but still
[05:07] <thompa> try sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[05:07] <Blippe> thompa dimensions are the same (2560x1024)  actually, the xserver is just like always!
[05:07] <jimb0> dont want to type that all the time
[05:07] <jimb0> why not log in as root?
[05:07] <Blippe> I will try that!
[05:07] <visik7> jimb0: sudo passwd
[05:07] <visik7> jimb0: and set the root passwd
[05:07] <jimb0> uhm what?
[05:08] <jimb0> why would i want to do that if im logged in as root all the time
[05:08] <seashell11> jimbo read the page that the bot gave you, it will tell you why not to log in as root
[05:08] <thompa> Blippe: x out and in again after that
[05:08] <jimb0> i know the basic reason
[05:08] <jimb0> you can fuck stuff up
[05:08] <Blippe> ok!
[05:08] <seashell11> if you are logged in as root you can very easily change things without your knowlecge that will break your system
[05:09] <seashell11> highly unadvisable
[05:09] <thompa> Blippe: also make sure all is set to default
[05:09] <jimb0> yeah i dont care too much
[05:09] <bipolar> jimb0: if you want a root shell, sudo -s
[05:09] <jimb0> if it breaks ill reinstall if i have to
[05:09] <seashell11> very unsecure, if other people break into your system
[05:09] <jimb0> k
[05:09] <jimb0> hope they dont!
[05:09] <jimb0> :o
[05:09] <thompa> in konsole i had to choose a schema and it cleared out the ugly xterm fonts
[05:10] <jimb0> cool.
[05:10] <thompa> Blippe: do you have a nvidia card or anything like?
[05:11] <visik7> jimb0: seems no answers from madwifi staff
[05:11] <seashell11> kdesu konqueror will give you a root file browser
[05:11] <seashell11> sudo -i a root terminal
[05:11] <seashell11> but it is best not to totally log in as root since you can do things this way
[05:12] <thompa> Blippe:  i also did "fc-cache
[05:12] <thompa> "
[05:12] <thompa> dont know if that even does anything, but its working now
[05:13] <ninnghizidha> Hello. I need help with OpenOffice's Template-System ... may someone help me doing it?
[05:15] <thompa> !koffice
[05:15] <ubotu> KOffice is a free, integrated office suite for KDE. Included is word processing, spreadsheet, flowcharting, image manipulation applications and many more. See http://koffice.kde.org
[05:17] <bipolar> ninnghizidha: you probbly want to ask in #openoffice
[05:17] <hatake_kakashi> anyone happen to know how do I upgrade to the latest released version of kubuntu? I tried apt-get upgrade, but I'm only getting files specifically for that release? TIA
[05:17] <bipolar> or is that #openoffice.org
[05:17] <thompa> ninnghizidha: are you trying to save as a template?
[05:18] <bipolar> hatake_kakashi: you need to edit your sources file to point to breezy
[05:19] <seashell11> !easysource
[05:19] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:19] <hatake_kakashi> bipolar: cool, will search up for that on the forums :)
[05:19] <hatake_kakashi> thanks
[05:19] <seashell11> you could go there and make a new sources.list file for breezy
[05:19] <thompa> ninnghizidha: this is the general link for templates http://documentation.openoffice.org/Samples_Templates/User/template/
[05:20] <seashell11> hatake_kakashi: i mean you can go to the link ubotu gave you
[05:21] <thompa> you can also import ms templates,  or create own and save as .ott
[05:21] <damonfiser> uhm
[05:24] <hatake_kakashi> seashell11: ahh bah, I edited the file myself, replaced the names with the proper ones and commented the original ones, out.. now I'm doing apt-get update
[05:25] <seashell11> hatake_kakashi: that ought to work hope everything updates right :-S
[05:25] <hatake_kakashi> :/
[05:26] <Blippe> worked great!
[05:26] <hatake_kakashi> oh well, I'll just update and upgrade.. it will take sometime.. and hopefully all works out well
[05:31] <seashell11> ninnghizidha: i have did that before, i will go see if I can figure it out again
[05:32] <ninnghizidha> would be cool! :-D
[05:32] <seashell11> ninnghizidha: Shift + F11
[05:32] <ninnghizidha> i cant manage it :-/
[05:33] <hatake_kakashi> anyone running ISA sound cards? heh :)
[05:34] <seashell11> ninnghizidha: did you save the document first? i do not think it will do it if you have edited it and not saved it
[05:34] <seashell11> I save templates all the time like that
[05:34] <ninnghizidha> i saved my Template as OTD, and it looks great.
[05:35] <ninnghizidha> but the original document, which shall use that template, cant get those formations.
[05:35] <ninnghizidha> how do i tell the document to use the template i did?
[05:36] <seashell11> I do not know, I always open the Template and the make the document
[05:36] <ninnghizidha> well ...
[05:37] <ninnghizidha> ...maybe this is the right way?
[05:37] <ninnghizidha> i dont know :-S
[05:38] <pussfeller> how do I do that thing where the tv-out from xine goes directly to the tv, but my regular xsession is not affected
[05:45] <iantec> someitmes an error message shows up regarding my sound card
[05:46] <iantec> how do i isntall the proper driver for my sound card?
[05:52] <seashell11> !sound
[05:52] <ubotu> I guess sound is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[05:53] <VOYAGER> prolly easiest
[06:17] <rosco> someone know why the system hang except for the mouse after a fresh install ? (i386, nvidia 6600gt)
[06:18] <VOYAGER> rosco, with the beta version ?
[06:18] <rosco> the 5.10
[06:19] <seashell11> OK I have a mind block, what is that other good live CD that is more up to date than the ubuntu live cd? I had one and gave it away and now I can't remember what it was to make me another one
[06:19] <VOYAGER> did you install the o/s driver or a nvidia ?
[06:19] <tRSS> hey guys, how can I mount a windows share automatically everytime I log into my kubuntu. I could easily do it in (gnome) ubuntu using the menus and GUI
[06:20] <rosco> voyager: I've made a default install with the nv module.
[06:20] <ilba7r> seashell11, do you mean knoppix
[06:21] <VOYAGER> mmm then im stumped ive seen it not like the nvidia drivers but default no  sorry
[06:21] <seashell11> ilba7r: yea thanks, don't know why I couldn't remember that
[06:21] <seashell11> ubotu tell tRSS about fstab
[06:22] <ilba7r> uwl:)
[06:22] <iantec> where can i dpownload codecs to play media files like mp3 mpg wma and all the common ones.... i cant seem to play my files from my windows hd
[06:22] <ilba7r> heared kanotix is good too
[06:22] <ilba7r> !restricted
[06:22] <ubotu> I heard restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[06:27] <tRSS> hey guys, how can I mount a windows NETWORK share automatically and places an icon on the desktop for it everytime I log into my kubuntu. I could easily do it in (gnome) ubuntu using the menus and GUI
[06:33] <RobNyc> http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html
[06:35] <ilba7r> tRSS, i do that automtaically in gnome
[06:36] <ilba7r> and it i used to do it automatically in kde too. Try add netowrk places
[06:37] <asplode> hey guys
[06:37] <tRSS> ilba7r: where can I do the "add network places"?
[06:37] <asplode> when I'm doing the apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:38] <asplode> and it asks me "do you want gdm or kdm" I want kdm, right?
[06:38] <macd> you want kdm, yes, k desktop manager
[06:38] <asplode> cool.
[06:38] <asplode> I think its finally done then
[06:39] <macd> it shouldnt take to long :)
[06:39] <asplode> now to start up kde
[06:39] <macd> startkde
[06:39] <asplode> it took forever
[06:39] <macd> ehh, slow internet conection?
[06:39] <asplode> it was downloading the packages at like, 25kbps
[06:39] <asplode> no, its not slow at all
[06:39] <asplode> just the connection
[06:39] <macd> wierd, I usualy get about 200ish from the repos
[06:40] <asplode> I do too sometimes, but not last night.
[06:41] <asplode> uhoh.
[06:41] <asplode> should I have run startkde with a sudo?
[06:41] <macd> no.
[06:41] <asplode> i've got like a weird gnome/kde mix right now
[06:42] <macd> but I would recommend rebooting and just selectiong kde in the sessions menu.
[06:42] <asplode> should I wait for this script to stop?
[06:42] <macd> Yeha I also went from ubuntu to kubuntu via apt process
[06:42] <macd> is it configurinh kde?
[06:42] <macd> s/h/g
[06:43] <asplode> its still running that startkde thing
[06:43] <asplode> and repeating itself
[06:43] <macd> kill it.
[06:43] <asplode> kbluetoothd: HciSocket::open(), bind failed: no such device
[06:43] <jjesse> hmm i have mysql-server-4.1 installed (dapper) and i cannot connect
[06:43] <macd> btw, did you run sudo apt-get update before you swicthed to kde?
[06:44] <jjesse> however i did a sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop && sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start and it shows mysql started
[06:44] <jjesse> any help?
[06:44] <macd> jjesse: there is info about mysql in dapper in the forums.
[06:44] <asplode> is that equivalent to updating the repository lists in synaptic?
[06:44] <macd> asplode: yes it is
[06:44] <asplode> then yes I did
[06:45] <macd> you should be ok to reboot, then select kde in the sessions menu
[06:45] <asplode> allright
[06:45] <asplode> see you back in a second
[06:45] <macd> evrything *should* go well
[06:46] <VOYAGER> <crosses fingers
[06:46] <macd> heh
[06:50] <macd> its working?
[06:50] <asplode> I'm in KDE now
[06:51] <macd> excellent, using konversation for irc ? :)
[06:51] <asplode> only problem thus far: "Error - KDE Panel" could not make folder /home/david/.local/share/Trash
[06:51] <asplode> so i don't have a trash can yet
[06:51] <macd> interesting
[06:51] <asplode> yeah I'm using Konversation too
[06:51] <macd> Yeah youll find if you use the kde apps, they run faster and load quicker than most anything else.
[06:52] <macd> who needs a trash can? used to be once it was gone it was gone in *nix ;)
[06:52] <asplode> it seems like its going to be a bitch to remove all the gnome stuff, If I chose too
[06:53] <aseigo> asplode: just go for the jugular and remove gtk+ ... then add back something like the gimp to get the bare essentials again
[06:53] <macd> well, before you installed kde, doing apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop will remove gdm and most traces of it
[06:53] <robotgeek> macd: actually no
[06:53] <macd> funny@go for the jugular and kill gtk ;)
[06:53] <macd> really?
[06:53] <asplode> well
[06:53] <robotgeek> macd: uninstalling ubuntu-desktop will not do anything as it's a meta package
[06:53] <asplode> I'm more or less referrring to all the apps that gnome uses
[06:54] <asplode> and I now have duplicated for
[06:54] <asplode> wow
[06:54] <asplode> KDE is much prettier than gnome
[06:54] <robotgeek> asplode: want to remove all the stuff gnome installs?
[06:54] <macd> robotgeek: it uninstalled gdm and all traces for me.
[06:54] <macd> most traces*
[06:54] <asplode> sure
[06:54] <asplode> I'm probably going to stick with KDE, assuming I can get everything to work right
[06:55] <robotgeek> macd: only if you install it using aptitude. i am not sure about synaptic/adept
[06:55] <macd> I just use apt and aptitude, I dont real ylike adept at all, synaptic either.
[06:56] <jjesse> so who can i whine about the change in mysql :(
[06:56] <macd> adept seems buggy to me.
[06:56] <macd> jjesse: or you could reconfigure it to your liking.
[06:56] <jimb0> macd: adept is pathetic
[06:56] <jjesse> macd: can someone explain why it changed?
[06:57] <jimb0> am i right?
[06:57] <macd> you are :)
[06:57] <robotgeek> asplode: i wrote a nice script exactly for this purpose
[06:57] <macd> jjesse: try #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-devel, werenot the developers
[06:57] <macd> robotgeek: wanna stick it in pastebin? Id like to look at it
[06:58] <robotgeek> macd: http://robotgeek.org/wiki/ShellScripts/CleanPackage
[06:58] <macd> jjesse: however Im sure it has something todo with baseline security
[06:58] <robotgeek> macd: though, you can use debfoster. it's probably more reliable (i have tested mine only on my machine)
[06:58] <macd> jimb0: what are your thoughts on "deer park" ;)
[06:59] <macd> robotgeek: thanks for the info .
[06:59] <robotgeek> macd: it did work correctly on my 3 machines. you have to answer too many questions with debfoster
[07:00] <macd> indeed, the script looks nice, I may play with it on my dapper box as it still is gdm based, I
[07:00] <macd> 'll let you know
[07:00] <robotgeek> macd: cool, thanks
[07:00] <asplode> ok
[07:00] <jimb0> havent tried deer park yet
[07:00] <asplode> looking at this script
[07:00] <jimb0> mother fucker man
[07:00] <jimb0> i fucked with klaptop and now i cant run startx anymore
[07:00] <jimb0> :(
[07:01] <robotgeek> !coc
[07:01] <ubotu> I guess coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, which we ask all Ubuntu users to follow. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[07:01] <asplode> so
[07:01] <asplode> this script turns a k/ubuntu installation into a kubuntu installations
[07:02] <macd> ohh, thats harsh, maybee some sort of warning first.
[07:02] <macd> afterall, Im sure you all say a few select words, you just dont type them ;)
[07:02] <nalioth> macd: there is no reason for that language at all. do you talk that way to your mother?
[07:02] <robotgeek> asplode: yeah, that's the idea.
[07:02] <asplode> he's still in the channel i think
[07:03] <nalioth> asplode: he was not banned.
[07:03] <asplode> yeah, I'm still trying to figure out what happened
[07:03] <macd> nalioth: sometimes, but then again Im a grown adult
[07:04] <asplode> okay, I have another quick question
[07:04] <asplode> since I've been using linux again
[07:04] <macd> sorry 1per day limit ;)
[07:04] <asplode> I noticed that CTRL + C, X, and V don't seems to work
[07:04] <asplode> and this bothers me deeply, as I've grown accustomed to them, and like the functionality they provide
[07:04] <nalioth> asplode: they work differently on different applications.
[07:05] <asplode> oh, so each program will have its own shortcut as to what copy and paste is?
[07:05] <asplode> because i've been using a mouse rightclick to cut and paste
[07:06] <asplode> and its a lot slower than the keyboard shortcuts
[07:08] <robotgeek> asplode: you could map F11 key to middle click, and paste :)
[07:09] <asplode> I'm not too sure on how to map keys
[07:10] <asplode> in fact, if I can remap keys, I want to remap my mouse forward and back keys to scroll up and scroll down
[07:12] <robotgeek> asplode: i meant the keyboard, not mouse
[07:12] <asplode> oh okay.
[07:13] <Linuxapprentice> I've just installed (I suppose) the KDE desktop enviroment (all packages)
[07:13] <Linuxapprentice> throufh Synaptic. Now what? How can activate the KDE GUI?
[07:13] <Linuxapprentice> PS: I've installed Ubuntu not Kubuntu
[07:13] <Linuxapprentice> Thnx in advance
[07:13] <asplode> im still working on making your script into one on my computer
[07:13] <dark_suic> Linuxapprentice, end session
[07:13] <Linuxapprentice> ah?
[07:13] <dark_suic> and when you have the window for entering your username and pass
[07:13] <dark_suic> look for a menu
[07:13] <dark_suic> options or something like that
[07:14] <dark_suic> and search for session type
[07:14] <robotgeek> Linuxapprentice: logout, and select sessions (F9 key i think) from the login screen
[07:14] <dark_suic> then choose kde
[07:14] <robotgeek> Linuxapprentice: then select Kde
[07:14] <robotgeek> :)
[07:14] <dark_suic> :)
[07:14] <Linuxapprentice> so i choose kde from a session or sth?
[07:15] <Vge> hmm, is it a known bug that if i have extra sidepanel in left and i open KDEprograms panel form the left corner, and when my cursor is over the programspanel and hovers over the sidepanel, the sidepanel shows, but dont autohide like it should?
[07:15] <macd> Vge: dapper? breezy?
[07:15] <DjDarkman> hy ,i try to run a half life server and i get this : WARNING: UDP_OpenSocket: port: 27015  bind: Address already in use
[07:15] <DjDarkman> what should i do?
[07:16] <Vge> breezy is im not mistaken
[07:16] <macd> DjDarkman: sounds as if its already running.
[07:17] <DjDarkman> WARNING: UDP_OpenSocket: port: 27015  bind: Address already in use
[07:17] <DjDarkman> FATAL ERROR (shutting down): Couldn't allocate dedicated server IP port 27015.
[07:17] <macd> DjDarkman: in k/console, try "ps ax | grep "name of your executeable here""
[07:17] <macd> DjDarkman: you can also use "netstat an"
[07:18] <DjDarkman> and what do i do there?
[07:18] <macd> your looking for something using that port
[07:19] <DjDarkman> nothing
[07:19] <dark_suic> that's it Linuxapprentice, when you have to login, search in the window for the option "session" and there just select kde
[07:19] <macd> if netstat shows nothing listening on that source port, then you know the error your getting is most likely due to the program your trying to run needing sudo env.
[07:19] <asplode> hey robotgeek
[07:19] <DjDarkman> how can i open it?
[07:19] <asplode> how do I execute this script
[07:20] <DjDarkman> sudo ,well i`ve tried that
[07:20] <robotgeek> asplode: what are you trying to keep, and remove what?
[07:20] <asplode> remove the ubuntu side of it
[07:21] <robotgeek> asplode: PKG_KEEP=kubuntu-desktop, PKG_REMOVE=ubuntu-desktop
[07:21] <DjDarkman> it doesen`t work with sudo :((
[07:21] <AnObfuscator> are the ubuntu forums down? :'(
[07:21] <DjDarkman> how can i open that port?
[07:22] <macd> DjDarkman: you need to find ut what is using that source port.
[07:22] <asplode> ok
[07:22] <asplode> now, i have it saved to a file called cleanpkg.sh?
[07:22] <robotgeek> asplode: cool, just run it
[07:23] <macd> asplode: chmod +x cleanpkg.sh then sudo ./cleanpfg.sh
[07:23] <robotgeek> thanks macd
[07:23] <macd> ;
[07:23] <DjDarkman> wait i`ll paste it
[07:23] <AnObfuscator> can anyone tell me where to find the xorg conf file?
[07:24] <robotgeek> AnObfuscator: /etc/xorg/xorg.conf
[07:24] <AnObfuscator> thanks
[07:24] <robotgeek> AnObfuscator, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:24] <macd> indeed, Ive managed to make a iso of my base image working and configured as I like it, and put it on my restaore partition on my thinkpad
[07:24] <macd> one button restore :)
[07:24] <robotgeek> macd: oh, i meant in case the script messes up your install
[07:24] <AnObfuscator> ahhh, xserver-xorg ... that's what it was. thanks, robotgeek
[07:24] <macd> oh, hehethat too
[07:25] <DjDarkman> i posted the erors
[07:25] <DjDarkman> in the pastebin
[07:25] <Vge> omg, im starting to love this kubuntu more and more, skype was clearly easier to install to KDE than windows
[07:25] <seashell11> is it possible to make an iso of my hard drive, so that I can install it on another computer and it will be exactly like mine? even if the other computer has other hardware?
[07:25] <DjDarkman> please chek it out
[07:25] <macd> DjDarkman: well need a link to that
[07:26] <macd> seashell11: not so easily
[07:26] <DjDarkman> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/511741
[07:26] <asplode> oh
[07:26] <asplode> thats why it wasnt able to be executed
[07:26] <asplode> I didnt make the file executable
[07:27] <Vge> hmm, what repositories i have to enable to find azureus?
[07:27] <macd> DjDarkman: looks like nothing it using it, Id try support methods for your game server software
[07:27] <asplode> vge: use automatix
[07:27] <robotgeek> !automatix
[07:27] <ubotu> from memory, automatix is messy, breaks all sorts of security guidelines, and is not open to improvement. In short: DO NOT USE IT!, or try !easyubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyUbuntu
[07:27] <Vge> kk, was looking that word, missed it from yesterday, ty
[07:28] <asplode> oh well, thats where I got my azureus from
[07:28] <asplode> because I ended up having to use a script to start it
[07:29] <DjDarkman> but how do i oppen a port with iptalbles|
[07:29] <DjDarkman> ?
[07:29] <DjDarkman> the readme says this
[07:29] <DjDarkman> 7) I am behind a firewall.  What ports need to be opened for hlds?
[07:29] <DjDarkman>
[07:29] <DjDarkman> Incoming UDP to local destination 27015.
[07:29] <DjDarkman> Outgoing UDP to remote destination 27010, 27012, 27040.
[07:29] <DjDarkman> Outgoing TCP to remote destination 7002.
[07:30] <Vge> ubuntuforums are down?
[07:30] <macd> its not iptables causing your problem, its your serverprogram cant bind to the address
[07:30] <divansantana> DjDarkman: Use guardddog! :)
[07:30] <DjDarkman> divansantana: that`s a little bit hard for me ;)
[07:30] <divansantana> DjDarkman: Guarddog is soooo easy, just give it a try, Its all graphical just tick and untick
[07:31] <macd> that wont solve his problem.
[07:31] <DjDarkman> the last tiem i tried it ,i disabled my whole net
[07:31] <sampan> macd, it might not solve it but it gives him (and us) one more thing to troubleshoot!!! YAY!
[07:31] <macd> oh boy!
[07:31] <sampan> ;D
[07:33] <pestilence> does anybody know if amarok-1.3.5 is any good?  seems to be the latest available for hoary, i recall there being some issues with podcasts in amarok before a certain version
[07:34] <pestilence> or, another question, is it possible to build amarok 1.3.7 on hoary?
[07:35] <aseigo> pestilence: you can get the most recent amarok from kubuntu.org =)
[07:35] <aseigo> pestilence: right on the main page there is a sources entry and instructions for it
[07:35] <pestilence> aseigo: not 1.3.7... for hoary
[07:35] <aseigo> ah... hm. in that case i dunno ...
[07:35] <aseigo> you shoudl be able to build from source in a pinch, however
[07:36] <seashell11> pestilence: is there any reason for not upgrading to breezy?
[07:36] <pestilence> will this work: deb-src http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-1.3.7 breezy main
[07:36] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell pestilence about compile
[07:37] <pestilence> seashell11: yes, the xorg in breezy doesn't work well on my laptop.
[07:37] <seashell11> pestilence: oh, shoot that sucks
[07:37] <macd> that seems odd, pestilence have you tried it lately.
[07:37] <pestilence> macd: relatively.  i filed a bug.
[07:37] <macd> excellent.
[07:38] <pestilence> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20240
[07:38] <rosco> the 5.10 dvd hang on my powerbook. I boot with live, or live-expert and the system hangs at arch_setup: enter
[07:38] <pestilence> don't know if it's fixed in dapper.  not willing to try at the moment
[07:38] <rosco> i've tried the option mentionned at boot time, but it doesn't help
[07:39] <rosco> any idea ?
[07:39] <macd> ehh, I run dapper on another laptop, you dont want to hae to deal with that update curve.
[07:40] <pestilence> macd: thats what i figured.  hoary is about as bleeding edge as i need, though.  with the exception of amarok :-D
[07:40] <robotgeek> rosco: hmm, i'm not very familiar with dvd drives, but did you burn it at a low speed
[07:40] <macd> Im in love with amarok, and its databse features.
[07:40] <robotgeek> macd: yes, it's the killer app for linux
[07:40] <macd> Im what you might call a pgsql monger
[07:40] <rosco> robotgeek: 12X
[07:41] <asplode> ewwww, I just switched to the redmond theme, and it looks just like windows
[07:41] <robotgeek> rosco: isnt that particularly fast for dvd writers?
[07:41] <pestilence> i was in love with it, until i downgraded to hoary to get dual head working :-(
[07:41] <pestilence> the version in hoary is very old
[07:41] <Elsan_> How can I change the maximum amount of apt cache? It's currently taking lots of space...
[07:41] <macd> you can compile anything from source.
[07:41] <rosco> robotgeek: I have to mention that I've been able to boot in expert mode once, and I've checked the media: it was ok
[07:41] <macd> Ive found k/ubuntus gcc very well thought out
[07:41] <pestilence> macd: true, but it won't work if it depends on a newer kde than exists in hoary
[07:42] <pestilence> macd: without some *major* work
[07:42] <pestilence> (that i'm not willing to do)
[07:42] <macd> pestilence: I was just going to say that
[07:42] <robotgeek> rosco: hmm okay, i don't have a clue as i claimed earler
[07:42] <insanekane> Elsan_: why don't you just purge everything ?
[07:42] <sampan> elsan_  you can clean it out easily enough: apt-get clean ... i think it is
[07:42] <insanekane> apt-get purge
[07:42] <sampan> doh! close
[07:42] <Elsan_> Ok :p
[07:42] <robotgeek> insanekane: apt-get purge will not work, i think.
[07:43] <Elsan_> But I'd prefer a limit
[07:43] <pestilence> macd: so essentially that was the question i was hoping somebody would answer, but i guess i'm about to answer it myself
[07:43] <Elsan_> I got Synaptic that does it anyway
[07:43] <macd> pestilence: indeed you are :)
[07:43] <insanekane> robotgeek: you probably need to add a 'sudo' to it
[07:43] <robotgeek> Elsan_: I think you can set limits in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[07:44] <robotgeek> insanekane: no, apt-get purge will _not_ work. apt-get remove --purge will remove config files installed by the package
[07:44] <insanekane> robotgeek: hmm
[07:44] <macd> ehh I use apt-get clean
[07:45] <Elsan_> I used Synaptic, there's an option to do it. I prefer it to Adept
[07:45] <robotgeek> i don't bother, it autocleans i think
[07:45] <Elsan_> Even though I still use adept from time to time
[07:45] <macd> I prefer a pile of poop over adept.
[07:45] <insanekane> robotgeek: no it doesnt autoclean ... it just grows and grows and grows
[07:45] <insanekane> macd: adept is nice :)
[07:45] <macd> to each thier own I suppose
[07:45] <robotgeek> insanekane: hmm, okay.
[07:48] <asplode> hey i finally got the trash to work
[07:48] <asplode> I had to manually make the directorys it wanted
[07:50] <pestilence> nope, dependency problems.  not kde it seems, though.  so maybe i'll still do it.
[07:50] <pestilence> TagLib is too old
[07:51] <pestilence> hrmm the build is still proceeding, maybe that didn't spoil the deal
[07:52] <dutchie> evening .... Kopete can't log my Yahoo Messenger user on ... I tried forwarding port 5050 (as suggested in a forum somewhere) but no joy .... does anyone have a tip for me ?
[08:02] <karvr> is it possible to have firestarter start at boot time instead of always giving it a password when the user account starts
[08:03] <rance> hey guys, got two questions for you
[08:03] <rance> first, whats the command to reconfigure X, I keep forgetting
[08:04] <robotgeek> rosco, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:04] <robotgeek> rance, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:04] <robotgeek> rance: sorry :)
[08:05] <rance> robotgeek: ive been called worse, lol, heck, at least you answered the question
[08:06] <insanekane> robotgeek: will easyubuntu ever come in pyqt format ?
[08:06] <robotgeek> insanekane: i believe that is the +1 release of easyubuntu :)
[08:06] <rance> second question is how do I disable "automount" or "autodiscover" or whatever its called so that NOTHING happens when I insert a cd, or, better yet, how do I define what happens when I insert a cd
[08:07] <robotgeek> insanekane: /j #easyubuntu for more details
[08:07] <insanekane> robotgeek: so in other words "not anytime soon" ?
[08:08] <nalioth> insanekane: not so.
[08:09] <insanekane> hmm ok thanks
[08:09] <nalioth> insanekane: the source is available for anyone to port it to anything they like
[08:09] <yellowdart> anybody know if it's possible in kopete to switch the default chat window to something other than aim for a meta-contact without clicking directly on the service icon
[08:09] <Nemezis> I tried to get back the default KDE profile, of Konqueror's Home directory, but my Konqueror and profiles are all messed up...what is wrong and how to solve it ?
[08:09] <insanekane> nalioth: yes, thats exactly what i meant. thanks
[08:09] <nalioth> insanekane: join #easyubuntu for more info
[08:09] <insanekane> nalioth: i.e., thanks for the info :)
[08:10] <yellowdart> maybe sync it with the standard IM address in kaddressbook?
[08:20] <Nemezis> I want to use my default KDE Konqueror profiles
[08:20] <Nemezis> not Kubuntu ones
[08:20] <macd> yellowdart: Im not sure so dont quote me on this, but kopete can be configured to use alternate user addres books
[08:20] <Nemezis> I followed the guide on the wiki, but didn't help, instead, made my konqueror profiles worse
[08:23] <Nemezis> I want to use my default KDE Konqueror profiles not Kubuntu ones I followed the guide on the wiki, but didn't help, instead, made my konqueror profiles worse
[08:23] <yellowdart> macd: i have kopete recognizing kaddressbook...and the contacts inside. it's just that if i click directly on a name in my buddy list, it opens an AIM chat window if that protocol exists for a buddy. I was just wondering if I could use the 'IM Address' field in kaddressbook OR have a 'default protocol' selefted directly in kopete
[08:23] <jorik> how can i set up mouse gestures ?
[08:24] <macd> hmm, yellowdart thats a good question, one I cant answer either ;)
[08:24] <yellowdart> macd: but i can click directly on the protocol icon i want to use and it opens the appropriate window...i'm just looking for a bigger click area :)
[08:25] <_luca> hi to all
[08:26] <yellowdart> macd: if this was my mac, i'd just throw together some applescript to handle it...but im not aware of any scripting interface for kopete (or kde in general)
[08:26] <_luca> anyone had experience with a crash on reboot in kubuntu?
[08:27] <macd> indeed@yellowdart
[08:28] <_luca> and the second prob is... with my sata HD the led is always on; any ideas?
[08:29] <macd> yellowdart: actualy http://dot.kde.org/972146187/
[08:29] <macd> might be of some use if you are familiar with python
[08:29] <Nemezis> I want to use my default KDE Konqueror profiles not Kubuntu ones I followed the guide on the wiki, but didn't help, instead, made my konqueror profiles worse
[08:32] <Nemezis> whipe off
[08:35] <macd> !coc
[08:35] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, which we ask all Ubuntu users to follow. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[08:38] <sorush20> should I use ReiserFS with sata ?
[08:39] <_luca> anyone had experience with a crash on reboot in kubuntu?
[08:41] <Blippe> sorush20, use reiser if you are going to use it as a heavily used server, otherwise ext3 is good for you!
[08:42] <jjesse> _luca: i haven't had any problems, what version of kubuntu or you using?
[08:43] <yellowdart> macd: cool..i'll have to check that out...thx
[08:50] <ubuntu> Linux KC Test
[08:54] <divansantana> ?
[09:07] <C2ODe_> kubuntu (last version) sata HD led is always on; any ideas?
[09:12] <divansantana> Maybe your cables are wrong that lead into your motherboard...
[09:18] <sorush20> what is letter m in zeroz and ones?
[09:18] <sorush20> what is that called?
[09:19] <Firetech> hmm, my kmail is duplicating mails in IMAP mailboxes :/
[09:21] <arox> hi all
[09:22] <arox> how to start an app when kubuntu (not kde) loads?
[09:22] <arox> auto-start
[09:26] <hugelmopf> arox: in ~/.kde/Autostart create a link to the program you want to start
[09:26] <hugelmopf> arox: ah sorry, that was about when kde starts
[09:36] <divansantana> higelmopf: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#zzboot
[09:37] <divansantana> woops I meant hugelmopf
[09:38] <hugelmopf> divansantana: that is probably for arox?
[09:38] <divansantana> oh yeah woops me not reading properly...
[09:41] <xwolf-> what do i have to edit in xorg.conf to get kubuntu running under vmware with 1024x768 instead of 640x480? (this last one is the only option)
[09:42] <seashell11> !xorg
[09:42] <ubotu> somebody said xorg was to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[09:42] <seashell11> xwolf-: try ubotu's suggestion
[09:44] <seashell11> xwolf-: you could also try changing the 640x480 to 1024x768
[09:46] <xwolf-> i cant, seashell11, not in kcontrol
[09:46] <xwolf-> i mean in screen config
[09:46] <ui> hi i just changed to kubuntu and i still got the programs of gnome in my menu how do i delete them?
[09:47] <Usefulldiot> where is kpersonalizer in kubuntu?
[09:47] <jose> ui, try to unistall ubuntu-desktop
[09:48] <seashell11> xwolf-: try sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:48] <ui> jose: ty
[09:48] <xwolf-> seashell11 i use vim :D
[09:49] <xwolf-> do you know which line i have to modify
[09:49] <xwolf-> ?
[09:49] <seashell11> xwolf-: whatever, as long as its a text editor lol
[09:50] <seashell11> xwolf-: what is your default depth?
[09:50] <jose> ui, sorry?
[09:50] <seashell11> xwolf-: could you pastbin your xorg.conf file?
[09:50] <xwolf-> dont get me wrong, kub runs smooth and clean when i am booting normally, but when i boot it under vmware, it only shows 640x480
[09:51] <kosmokramer> must go today 2 alienware laptops price 550 each including shippin case and wireless router, or 1 alienware desktop at 550 including shipping, monitor, speakers, keyboard and mouse and of course the tower. message me on aim at mikcomputing, msn at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or yahoo at mcsltd2 if interested and want to buy
[09:52] <seashell11> xwolf-: could you pastebin?
[09:52] <ui> jose :it didint work X_X
[09:52] <xwolf-> you're gonna have to wait
[09:53] <xwolf-> just a minute
[09:53] <seashell11> ok
[09:53] <omerix> how can we use siemens sx1 mobile phone in linux
[09:53] <Red_Herring> hello
[09:53] <omerix> data transferring etc...
[09:53] <Red_Herring> was i signed on all this time?
[09:53] <arox> hi !
[09:53] <seashell11> omerix: you could try kandy
[09:54] <arox> how can i directly run an app as another user?
[09:54] <arox> but not as root!
[09:54] <Red_Herring> su <username>
[09:54] <Red_Herring> then type in the name of the program
[09:54] <visik7> or su -c "command"
[09:54] <Red_Herring> -c ?
[09:55] <jose> ui, ok, then i don't know, maybe you need to uninsall then one by one, but maybe if you have space in the hd you can have both desktop, i find it usefull to have both...
[09:56] <Usefulldiot> is there any way to remove the , for tabs in kate/kwrite?
[09:56] <Red_Herring> whats wrong with them?
[09:56] <Red_Herring> just wondering
[09:56] <Usefulldiot> im just used to visual studio and dont like them :P
[09:57] <Red_Herring> oh
[09:57] <Usefulldiot> kubuntu  is a SWEET pspdev distro though
[09:57] <Red_Herring> huh, well, i have relativly recently took up programming
[09:57] <Red_Herring> and i never use kwrite or kate
[09:58] <seashell11> xwolf-: make wure you prefix my username when you reply, so that I know you are sending me a message
[09:58] <Red_Herring> sorry :-(
[09:58] <Usefulldiot> i cant get kdevelop to work so i just write my code within kate and build & copy from console
[09:58] <Red_Herring> really?
[09:58] <Red_Herring> i had that problem too
[09:59] <Red_Herring> with my laptop, but not my desktop
[09:59] <Usefulldiot> on my laptop i just use vim in one tty and build&copy in another
[09:59] <Red_Herring> huh
[09:59] <Usefulldiot> kubuntu runs like molasses on a g3 mac
[09:59] <Red_Herring> well, a g3 is very old
[09:59] <Red_Herring> and kde is not very good on old hardware
[10:00] <Red_Herring> unless you disable a whole bunch of services
[10:00] <Usefulldiot> 500mhz 384mb ram should run at least decently
[10:00] <Red_Herring> yeah
[10:00] <Red_Herring> well, i disabled a bunch of stupid UI things
[10:00] <Usefulldiot> i figured the extra ram would help but even mouse cursor gets laggy
[10:00] <Red_Herring> and it works MUCH faster with mu laptop
[10:01] <Usefulldiot> i used to just use kpersonalizer to get rid of extras but its gone in kubuntu :o
[10:01] <xwolf-> seashell11 http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/512003 this is the xorg.conf i use to run kub under vmware
[10:01] <Red_Herring> really?
[10:01] <yannux> Hye everybody !
[10:01] <seashell11> xwolf-: ill check it out
[10:01] <Red_Herring> go to system setting --> style --> effects
[10:02] <Usefulldiot> how do you get rid of that pseudo sparkly popup thingy on the taskbar
[10:02] <Red_Herring> and turn all of them off
[10:02] <kosmokramer> must go today 2 alienware laptops price 550 each including shippin case and wireless router, or 1 alienware desktop at 550 including shipping, monitor, speakers, keyboard and mouse and of course the tower. message me on aim at mikcomputing, msn at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or yahoo at mcsltd2 if interested and want to buy
[10:02] <Red_Herring> it will do that too
[10:02] <Red_Herring> kosmokramer: whats the catch?
[10:03] <Usefulldiot> i have no system settings -> style :o kde 3.4
[10:03] <Usefulldiot> nm just lies elsewhere
[10:03] <Red_Herring> really?
[10:03] <omerix> seashell11: my sx1's data cable is with YSB
[10:03] <Red_Herring> oh
[10:03] <Usefulldiot> missed the appearance button
[10:03] <omerix> i installed candy
[10:03] <Red_Herring> really? its in the top left hand corner
[10:03] <omerix> seashell11: i installed candy
[10:03] <seashell11> xwolf-: you want it with 1024x768 ?
[10:04] <xwolf-> or 1280xsomething
[10:04] <omerix> seashell11: is candy supports usb connection?
[10:04] <seashell11> omerix: I haven't did anything with kandy, i think it supports usb for some fones but I would advise you to google
[10:04] <xwolf-> seashell11 either one of the two largest (1280 and 1024 thingies)
[10:04] <yannux> does someone have made a package for kopete 3.5.1 ?
[10:05] <Red_Herring> did you try installing kde 3.5?
[10:05] <yannux> Red_Herring: me ? yes
[10:05] <Usefulldiot> i think kde3.4 is quite a jump since the last time i used it(3.0). I used to be a gnome-man but the new plastik theme and desktop ROCK
[10:06] <Red_Herring> yannux: is should be in there
[10:06] <seashell11> xwolf-: go look at it in the pastebin now, on line 103
[10:06] <yannux> Red_Herring: I want 3.5.1 to correct msn file bug :s
[10:06] <Red_Herring> huh
[10:06] <seashell11> xwolf-: you can change that to 1280x1024 if it works
[10:06] <Red_Herring> did ya google it?
[10:07] <Red_Herring> all i can think of is that you compile it yourself
[10:07] <Red_Herring> but thats usually a pain in the ass
[10:07] <kkathman> howdy Red_Herring :)
[10:07] <Usefulldiot> hrm theres no option(s) to remove the sparkly popup thing on the taskbar
[10:07] <Red_Herring> hey
[10:07] <Usefulldiot> either that or i missed it
[10:07] <Red_Herring> Usefulldiot: just disable gui effects
[10:07] <Red_Herring> alltogeather
[10:08] <Usefulldiot> does it require a kde restart?
[10:08] <Red_Herring> it runs MUCH faster
[10:08] <seashell11> xwolf-: because you see that your default depth is set to 24 so you can try forcing it to use one setting by taking the others out of the depth 24 part of the file
[10:08] <Red_Herring> not on the livecd
[10:08] <Red_Herring> kkathman: hi
[10:08] <Usefulldiot> im using installed ver
[10:08] <seashell11> xwolf-: if you catch on what I mean?
[10:08] <Red_Herring> ouch, i really should have studied for that math final some more
[10:09] <xwolf-> seashell11 i get it
[10:09] <kkathman> Red_Herring: uhoh... problemos with da math?
[10:09] <shawkins> hay kkathman and red
[10:09] <_buz> i updated the kernel today but lilo fails because of lacking initrd.img
[10:09] <kkathman> hey shawkins :)
[10:09] <shawkins> yeah, hows those exams coming along red?
[10:09] <kkathman> lilo?
[10:09] <kkathman> ugh
[10:09] <seashell11> kkathman: probably serves him right lol :-D
[10:09] <Red_Herring> kkathman: yup
[10:09] <kkathman> lol
[10:10] <Red_Herring> its a 90 q test
[10:10] <_buz> Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
[10:10] <_buz>     Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/mapper/hdb1'
[10:10] <_buz> Fatal: open /initrd.img: No such file or directory
[10:10] <_buz> which kinda sucks if you ask me
[10:10] <shawkins> 90 questions, out that blows..
[10:10] <Red_Herring> there was half an hour left when i was on the 30th question
[10:10] <kkathman> _buz why lilo?
[10:10] <shawkins> mine used to be in the 100-150 question range though :)
[10:10] <_buz> cause kubuntu setup insists on throwing that on my system
[10:10] <_buz> and i'm too bloody lazy to install grub by hand
[10:11] <shawkins> grub isn't that hard to install..
[10:11] <kkathman> _buz hmnm.. I dont understand, mine is grub
[10:11] <Red_Herring> same here
[10:11] <shawkins> same here
[10:11] <_buz> i think it defaults to lilo if you use XFS for root
[10:11] <kkathman> that was standard in warty!
[10:11] <Red_Herring> oh
[10:11] <Red_Herring> well thats different
[10:11] <kkathman> oh..hmm dunno that
[10:11] <Red_Herring> why XFS?
[10:11] <kkathman> grub is nice :)
[10:11] <Red_Herring> well, it needs some sort of color in it
[10:11] <Red_Herring> its very plain now
[10:11] <kkathman> and the ubuntu installs honor other systems when it installs :)
[10:11] <_buz> cause reiser sucks donkey ass
[10:12] <Red_Herring> i hope someone fixes it in dapper
[10:12] <shawkins> I use ext3....
[10:12] <kkathman> shawkins: me too
[10:12] <seashell11> ext3 here to
[10:12] <Red_Herring> yup
[10:12] <seashell11> it always works good
[10:12] <shawkins> I read a thing on the filesystem benchmarks... but never figured it mattered much for me... don't need a blazing system, works fine how it is
[10:12] <kkathman> the newer distros all use that reiserfs
[10:12] <Red_Herring> plus, you can get drivers for windows to Read and write to ext3
[10:12] <kkathman> SUSE does :(
[10:12] <kkathman> oh well
[10:12] <shawkins> yeah, linspire I think uses reiserfs
[10:12] <_buz> reiser is about the worst fs ever
[10:13] <Red_Herring> not at all
[10:13] <_buz> best way to lose data ever
[10:13] <kkathman> lol
[10:13] <Red_Herring> well... at least its fast
[10:13] <_buz> i tried it 3 times
[10:13] <_buz> every single time it corrupted the whole fs in less than a month
[10:13] <shawkins> I never tried anything but ext2 and ext3...
[10:13] <kkathman> my SUSE works fine on reiserfs, just wasnt my choice
[10:13] <shawkins> but ext2 was... years back
[10:13] <_buz> besides, xfs doesnt care if i trip over powercords
[10:14] <_buz> much less than ext3 anyway
[10:14] <Red_Herring> no, ext3 doenst care either
[10:14] <Red_Herring> not that i noticed at least
[10:14] <kkathman> ext3 doesnt seem to care
[10:14] <shawkins> for whatever reason SUSE won't install on my system.. once it gets done with the first CD it reboots instead of taking in another CD.... not no shutdown then reboot either... just ups and restarts without doing anything
[10:14] <_buz> last time i had to wait for an ext3 server to boot thru i didnt find it didnt care
[10:14] <_buz> took it >3min to fsck a 120gb volume
[10:14] <kkathman> shawkins: but its supposed to do that :)
[10:14] <kkathman> it DOES restart after the first CD, continues and asks for more CDs
[10:15] <_buz> mhh removing all linux-images and reinstallling the current seems to have helped with lilo
[10:15] <shawkins> kkathman: well I'm glad someone told me..... I figured it'd do what the rest do...... never had that happen before, odd....
[10:15] <_buz> now i just pray it will boot next time i try it
[10:15] <_buz> better burn that dapper flight 3 iso before reboot ;)
[10:15] <kkathman> shawkins: nope...its a bit odd...I just did SUSE last week... 10.0 and thats what it did
[10:15] <Red_Herring> its nice
[10:15] <kkathman> it actually boots a couple of times
[10:15] <Red_Herring> im using dapper drake flight 3 live cd now
[10:15] <_buz> does Exa work now?
[10:16] <Red_Herring> my laptop has apparently been on 2 days
[10:16] <Red_Herring> Exa?
[10:16] <kkathman> Red_Herring: Im considering adding Dapper soon
[10:16] <Red_Herring> just do the livecd
[10:16] <kkathman> that way I'll have a triple boot system :)
[10:16] <shawkins> kkathman: I got the CD's for it right here.... just never cared to go farther after it rebooted like it did... I decided to screw it and popped in my slackware CD and installed grub again
[10:16] <seashell11> kkathman: I already switched to dapper on one of my computers :-P
[10:16] <Red_Herring> why use dapper?
[10:16] <shawkins> kkatham: I'm on dapper right now, works fine for me....
[10:17] <Red_Herring> well
[10:17] <Red_Herring> as a primary os anyway
[10:17] <shawkins> red_herring: I just like the lastest and greatest :)
[10:17] <_buz> i got burnt with an early version of breezy on my workstation
[10:17] <xwolf-> seashell11 no change, vmware still runs with 640x480
[10:17] <Red_Herring> how stable is it?
[10:17] <shawkins> it is my primary os..
[10:17] <_buz> wont go to dapper until it's beta
[10:17] <kkathman> seashell11: yah Im playin around with breezy and suse right now, I'll put up dapper later
[10:17] <shawkins> I'd say stable enough to use..
[10:17] <Red_Herring> well, how much use are we talking
[10:17] <shawkins> red_herring: I'm trusting it with all my files... one sec phone
[10:17] <kkathman> Flight3 I hear is pretty usable unless you are ppc
[10:17] <Red_Herring> the livecd works fine
[10:18] <Red_Herring> useless?
[10:18] <Red_Herring> as in not working?
[10:18] <kkathman> problems on ppc I hear
[10:18] <Red_Herring> it wont boot using ppc
[10:18] <kkathman> no it boots
[10:18] <Red_Herring> really?
[10:18] <kkathman> just has some display probs and driver issues I think
[10:18] <Red_Herring> thats not what the release said
[10:18] <Red_Herring> huh
[10:18] <kkathman> Nalioth had some issues on his ppc
[10:19] <Red_Herring> well, i do have to say that the live cd REALLY SHOULD ship w/ synaptics drivers pre-installed
[10:19] <nalioth> ussyes>
[10:19] <nalioth> issues?
[10:19] <Red_Herring> because DAMN THIS TOUCHPAD IS SLOW
[10:19] <kkathman> nalioth: dapper on ppc
[10:19] <Red_Herring> it takes me 5 or 6 times across the entire touchpad to move from one side of the screen to the other
[10:19] <kkathman> nalioth:  relating your difficulties the other night
[10:19] <kkathman> Red_Herring: big screen?
[10:20] <kkathman> hehe
[10:20] <Red_Herring> not at all
[10:20] <Red_Herring> 1024x768
[10:20] <kkathman> jk
[10:20] <nalioth> dapper 3 works. it is functional if not acceptable
[10:20] <Red_Herring> im not sure
[10:20] <kkathman> nalioth: but you did experience some display issues yes?
[10:20] <nalioth> yes there were display issues
[10:20] <kkathman> ok
[10:20] <Red_Herring> a bunch of the programs on the livecd crash when doing odd things
[10:21] <nalioth> but since i can run console they did not bother me
[10:21] <shawkins> kkathman: don't know what was said..... but ... dapper is working great on my computer
[10:21] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Red_Herring about malone
[10:21] <shawkins> kkathman: don't know why I pointed that to you though..
[10:21] <nalioth> Red_Herring: visit that site and file bugs
[10:21] <Red_Herring> ok
[10:21] <seashell11> xwolf-: shoot did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[10:22] <shawkins> dapper is installed, is doing everything the way I ask it to, Iits just... working great, haven't had but one problem, and that was when I was screwing around and decided to uninstall X....
[10:23] <TSDgeos> lol, so much people reported the kpdf problem?
[10:23] <shawkins> kkathman: If I put together a paper on this idea I got... would you read it and give any suggestions or anything on how to make it better... or how I'm going to do this or that?
[10:23] <TSDgeos> well, that was not my question
[10:23] <TSDgeos> hi
[10:23] <TSDgeos> and then, is it easy to install nvidia binary drivers on kubuntu?
[10:23] <shawkins> I haven't used kpdf yet..
[10:23] <TSDgeos> easy = aptitude foobar
[10:24] <seashell11> hey anyone here help xwolf- ? he is only able to get a 640x480 resolution http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/512013
[10:24] <shawkins> TSDgeos: yes, its easy to install them.... 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx'
[10:25] <shawkins> I think..
[10:25] <TSDgeos> ok nice
[10:25] <TSDgeos> thanks, today i convinced my boss to let me switch to linux
[10:25] <yellowdart> shawkins: yeah, you're right... nvidia-glx is what you want
[10:25] <TSDgeos> just hope i'll be able to do all i do on win also on linux
[10:26] <yellowdart> TSDgeos: what do you do on windows exactly?
[10:26] <shawkins> TSDgeos: what all do you do
[10:26] <TSDgeos> app developing on Qt
[10:26] <TSDgeos> so that's easy to do in linux
[10:26] <shawkins> then you'll be fine
[10:26] <TSDgeos> the problem is 3d part
[10:26] <divansantana> TSDgeos: I know exactly what thats like! Its tough at first butt def worthwhile!
[10:26] <TSDgeos> and the shitload of win only specific apps that i have to write interfaces to
[10:27] <divansantana> And after time u'l never look back
[10:27] <shawkins> seashell11: I have no clue, I'm horrible at stuff like that.... for me it either works or it doesn't when it comes to video...
[10:27] <yellowdart> TSDgeos: true...if you usually use directx instead of opengl
[10:27] <TSDgeos> no no, we use ogl
[10:27] <seashell11> shawkins: i've had bout the same experience, either it works or you buy a new video card :-S
[10:27] <TSDgeos> just need a easy way to install the binary drivers
[10:28] <seashell11> xwolf-: hey, you did restart x didn't you?
[10:28] <shawkins> seashell11: for me I just install every driver there is for video hoping for some odd reason one of them will work with it... don't care if its the right one or not.... it worked for me one
[10:28] <yellowdart> TSDgeos: you have to have universe/multiverse repositories enabled...then 'apt-get install nvidia-glx'
[10:29] <TSDgeos> nice,
[10:29] <TSDgeos> thanks a lot
[10:29] <TSDgeos> bye
[10:29] <seashell11> shawkins: well mine was listed not working with linux
[10:29] <shawkins> wow.. pretty, using my middle mouse button changes the window I'm in.. learn something new every dya
[10:29] <_grigory> Red_Herring: hey! how's your math finals
[10:29] <_grigory> ?
[10:29] <shawkins> seashell11: in that case...please go to newegg.com and buy a new video card :) I had to do that once
[10:30] <divansantana> shawkins: try kompose to switch windows! Awesome program should be included in dapper
[10:30] <seashell11> divansantana: what is kompose?
[10:31] <divansantana> apt-cache show kompose from universe, a application switched very very kewl! Just install it and then press win+tab and watch!! Its really nice!
[10:31] <shawkins> !info kompose
[10:31] <ubotu> kompose: (full screen task manager for KDE), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-2build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 356 kB
[10:31] <_grigory> can you guys suggest a good BT client? something like BitTornado
[10:32] <divansantana> kttorrent
[10:32] <shawkins> ummmm... one sec, I know what I want to say.. starts with an A
[10:32] <divansantana>  ktorrent i mean
[10:32] <shawkins> Azureus
[10:32] <_grigory> aahhh
[10:32] <shawkins> I think..
[10:32] <_grigory> not that one
[10:32] <yellowdart> shawkins: that's java though...
[10:33] <_grigory> yeah
[10:33] <_grigory> i have noghtmares about it
[10:33] <_grigory> nightmares*
[10:33] <_grigory> allright, lets try ktorrent
[10:33] <judax> Azureus works good for me
[10:33] <shawkins> yellowdart: yeah well... other then BitTornado... thats the only other one I've used.... back on my old window machine
[10:33] <shawkins> try the original bittorrent
[10:33] <shawkins> !info bittorrent
[10:34] <ubotu> bittorrent: (Scatter-gather network file transfer), section net, is optional. Version: 3.4.2-3ubuntu7 (breezy), Packaged size: 86 kB, Installed size: 536 kB
[10:34] <Red_Herring> wha wha wah?
[10:34] <shawkins> yeah.... its there....
[10:34] <Red_Herring> sorry
[10:34] <_grigory> !info ktorrent
[10:34] <ubotu> ktorrent: (BitTorrent client for KDE), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.0-0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 325 kB, Installed size: 1248 kB
[10:34] <Red_Herring> gone for a second
[10:34] <shawkins> mines smaller :)
[10:34] <JakubS_> azureus is memory-eating monster
[10:34] <yellowdart> yeah, i'm not saying it's bad or good...i thought that you were listing KDE BT clients :)
[10:34] <seashell11> hey i fully agree kompose ROCKS! but so does yakuake
[10:34] <_grigory> true
[10:34] <shawkins> I agree to that JakubS
[10:35] <JakubS_> current svn version of ktorrent is good enough for me
[10:35] <Red_Herring> _grigory: math final sucked :-(
[10:35] <_grigory> oh... studying didnt helped? :\
[10:35] <_grigory> help*
[10:35] <Red_Herring> not much
[10:35] <Red_Herring> there was 90questions
[10:35] <Red_Herring> in 1 hour and 45 min
[10:35] <Red_Herring> like full length problems
[10:35] <_grigory> that sucks. my finals next week, and i have horrible feeling that im going to get raped by those tests :|
[10:36] <Red_Herring> i got to num 30 when there was less than 45 min. left
[10:36] <Red_Herring> didnt make it unforunatly :-(
[10:36] <_grigory> oh..
[10:36] <Red_Herring> it all depends on the teacher, and the school
[10:36] <_grigory> thats why they have so many hw, so you would practice and get fast at those q's :)
[10:36] <Red_Herring> my school and teacher both push finals
[10:36] <seashell11> Red_Herring: aww c'mon math was one of the few things I liked about school
[10:36] <Red_Herring> i like math alot
[10:36] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: one Q every 1.16 minutes?
[10:37] <Red_Herring> just HATE FINALS
[10:37] <seashell11> lol :-D
[10:37] <Red_Herring> its kinda hard to time my answers
[10:37] <seashell11> yea the finals arn't the most fun
[10:37] <Red_Herring> but the problems she asked COULD NOT be answered in 1.16min
[10:37] <Red_Herring> oh well
[10:37] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: what math is it btw?
[10:38] <_grigory> yeah, what was it?
[10:38] <divansantana> seashell yeah hopefully those two apps will be incl in dapper default...
[10:38] <Red_Herring> enriched soph algebra and trig
[10:38] <shawkins> I'm gonna take off.. things to do, people to see, 3-wheelers to play with
[10:38] <_grigory> gotta love trig! :)
[10:38] <Red_Herring> we havent started trig yet
[10:38] <Red_Herring> thats next semester
[10:38] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: you should of just done it all with calculus...would have been faster ;)
[10:38] <shawkins> I didn't take trig...
[10:38] <_grigory> although i had problems memorizing some stuff in trig...
[10:38] <shawkins> stopped at algebra 2..
[10:38] <_grigory> which grade is it?
[10:38] <Red_Herring> oh yeah, like i know calculus
[10:39] <Red_Herring> 10th grade man
[10:39] <Red_Herring> thats not for another 2 years
[10:39] <_grigory> damn, im taking AP calculus next semester... should be fun probably O.o
[10:39] <Red_Herring> i have to say im not a big fan of kompose
[10:39] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: you'll be amazed at how much more you'll understand algebra once you see calculus
[10:40] <Red_Herring> thanks, well, its gonna be too late by then
[10:40] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: hehe
[10:40] <Blippe> calculus is easy... and everything you learned before will fall into place
[10:40] <Red_Herring> thats nice
[10:40] <yellowdart> Blippe: i totally agree
[10:40] <_grigory> btw, i found how to make kubuntu support few "typing" languages(so i can type in, say, russian too) - turned out to be a matter of seconds :)
[10:40] <Red_Herring> good
[10:40] <Red_Herring> glad you fixed that
[10:41] <_grigory> yeah.. still cant find how to make it switch languages by pressing Ctrl+Shift though
[10:41] <Blippe> in sweden calculus is eleventh grade...
[10:41] <Red_Herring> wow
[10:41] <Red_Herring> well, here in america, we are just stupider
[10:41] <Red_Herring> i have ta say
[10:42] <_grigory> in russia its 11 too
[10:42] <_grigory> well, there is only 11 grades there
[10:42] <buz> omfg
[10:42] <_grigory> no gr. 12
[10:42] <buz> exa is so sweet
[10:42] <yellowdart> Blippe: well, in the us...schools arent that competitive
[10:42] <seashell11> if you are using kompose you use Alt+Tab not WinStart+Tab
[10:42] <divansantana> what is exa?
[10:42] <Red_Herring> seashell11: i dont like kompose at ALL
[10:42] <seashell11> and I like how that runs better
[10:42] <buz> acceleration for translucency and stuff
[10:43] <Blippe> i studied 12grade in america, after tenth in sweden...
[10:43] <divansantana> seashell11 I use win+tab default to swap apps, isnt it??
[10:43] <Red_Herring> kompose REALLY slows down my computer, and its pretty slow
[10:43] <seashell11> Red_Herring: each person has his own prefferences i guess lol
[10:43] <Red_Herring> i guess
[10:43] <buz> transparency still isnt so fast though
[10:43] <seashell11> Red_Herring: I guess I don't need to worry about slow computer :-)
[10:44] <seashell11> on my other on maybe but not this one
[10:44] <Red_Herring> guess not
[10:44] <Red_Herring> but with a 1.5ghz CELERON laptop, i kinda need to
[10:44] <buz> but that fade effect is seriously schweet
[10:44] <Red_Herring> especially when it has a HUGE 3.6GB HARD DRIVE!
[10:45] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: nice...sounds like my inspiron 4000 pII 300mhz
[10:45] <seashell11> Red_Herring: this is a desktop overclocked to 3.6 ghz with 200GB
[10:45] <Red_Herring> wow
[10:45] <Red_Herring> my desktop is a 3500+ OCd to 2.5ghz
[10:45] <seashell11> but my other computer not quite that fast, im at the office now
[10:45] <Red_Herring> and 280GB HD
[10:45] <Red_Herring> but i like mobility
[10:45] <buz> 3.6gb hd
[10:46] <buz> i didnt think they made those since 2000 or so
[10:46] <Red_Herring> i had a 30gb one, but it died :-(
[10:46] <seashell11> Red_Herring: yea, I got an e-machines m2350 for laptop
[10:46] <buz> aaah
[10:46] <buz> that explains it
[10:46] <Red_Herring> yeah
[10:46] <Red_Herring> i had to pluck the 3.6gb one from another old laptop
[10:46] <buz> and finallz even katapult has become useful
[10:47] <seashell11> laptop 2.4 ghz with 60 gb hd
[10:47] <divansantana> katapult is awesome! Can't believe gnome hasn't got that yet!
[10:47] <Red_Herring> whats all this talk about katapult
[10:47] <Red_Herring> someone care to elaborate?
[10:47] <yellowdart> i have a few old pentium 133mhz here that i'm thinking of clustering
[10:47] <Red_Herring> i only notice it when i type in a wierd key combo and the katapult logo pops up
[10:48] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: katapult...alt+space
[10:48] <buz> yeah in breezy i didnt use it
[10:48] <Red_Herring> thats the one
[10:48] <buz> but in dapper live it seems seriously neat
[10:48] <seashell11> !katapult
[10:48] <ubotu> rumour has it, katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. When splash screen appears, type the command you want.
[10:48] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: then start typing the name of an application
[10:48] <Red_Herring> very neat
[10:49] <ryanakca> hmmmm
[10:49] <vge> gotta love konversation over mirc
[10:49] <ryanakca> I updated kde and I'm getting pretty little errors.... should I restart kde?
[10:49] <divansantana> awesome app, just organise yr bookmarks nicely! It lauches menu items, bookmarks and the folders from your home directory!
[10:50] <buz> thinking of it
[10:50] <divansantana> very quick! no need for desktop icons etc with katapult
[10:50] <Red_Herring> i found BAB starter to be interesting
[10:50] <buz> katapult is much more useful than my beloved enter command kicker applet
[10:50] <vge> gotta look into it
[10:50] <_grigory> is there some sort of task manager in kubuntu that i can use to kill processes?
[10:50] <divansantana> ryanakca: if from  3.4.3 to 3.5 then yes! or restart X maybe with alt+cntrl+backspace
[10:51] <Red_Herring> sure, ksysguard
[10:51] <_grigory> is it pre-installed?
[10:51] <Red_Herring> i think so
[10:51] <_grigory> oh, it is
[10:51] <_grigory> thanks
[10:51] <Red_Herring> no problem
[10:51] <divansantana> _grigory try ctrl+esc
[10:52] <_grigory> oh, great!
[10:52] <divansantana> _grigory even better! awesome thing about kde just press cntrl+alt+esc and click where you want to kill!! Works like a dream
[10:52] <_grigory> ... Adept doesnt want to start :( damn
[10:52] <Samout> hey... can anyone explain me something... i was just wondering why kdesu asks for my user password, even though what i have undestood it works like su which asks for the root passwd
[10:52] <divansantana> pgrep adept and kill it
[10:52] <_grigory> pgrep?
[10:53] <yellowdart> _grigory: you should use kpackage anyhow :)
[10:53] <divansantana> Samout, kubuntu/ubuntu is set up to disable root because its better/safer in a way...
[10:53] <_grigory> kpackage? :| is it something like Adept?
[10:53] <Red_Herring> i dont care for adept at all
[10:53] <yellowdart> _grigory: yeah...but better search capabilities
[10:53] <Red_Herring> i like synaptic
[10:54] <_grigory> ok, ill try that
[10:54] <seashell11> ubotu tell Samout about root
[10:54] <Red_Herring> nah
[10:54] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: have you ever tried kpackage?
[10:54] <Red_Herring> no
[10:54] <Red_Herring> i always install ubuntu
[10:54] <Red_Herring> then install kde
[10:54] <Red_Herring> the kubutu package
[10:54] <seashell11> Red_Herring: same here, then you get the best of both
[10:54] <Red_Herring> yeah
[10:54] <Samout> and also is there some way to enable one group to use a certain program with kdesu... i tried to edit /etc/sudoers but it didn't affect kdesu
[10:55] <Red_Herring> well, i actually did it because hoary had MAJOR ISSUES
[10:55] <yellowdart> Samout: did you 'sudo visudo'
[10:55] <Red_Herring> so i needed to use ubuntu instead of kubuntu, then install kde
[10:55] <yellowdart> Samout: 'man sudoers'
[10:55] <Red_Herring> but now i think they are on par now
[10:55] <Samout> yeah
[10:55] <divansantana> Red_Herring: I still think ubuntu is far more polished!I hope kubuntu catches up though :(
[10:56] <Red_Herring> agreed
[10:56] <divansantana> I wouldnt use ubuntu over kubuntu tho :D
[10:56] <seashell11> Red_Herring: I did it the first time because I already had ubuntu, now I do it so I have programs from both
[10:56] <Red_Herring> i hate how kde looks by default
[10:56] <yellowdart> Samout: those are the best instructions i can give really..
[10:56] <divansantana> y?
[10:56] <Samout> well i did put right commands in the sudoers file since it works as i wanted it to work when usin sudo from the command line... its only that kdesu doesn't do the same thing
[10:56] <yellowdart> i kinda like Xubuntu..
[10:56] <Red_Herring> eh
[10:57] <yellowdart> xfce4
[10:57] <divansantana> why u dont like how kde looks by default?
[10:57] <Red_Herring> i think, once again, installing ubuntu, then installing xfce4 is the way to go
[10:57] <Red_Herring> divansantana: i think its just ugly
[10:57] <Blippe> yellowdart, but xubuntu feel real unfinished, they got all these dependencies on gnome
[10:57] <seashell11> Red_Herring: yea I use the Keramik theme, and make another panel
[10:57] <Red_Herring> why suck a BORING DESKTOP
[10:57] <divansantana> ushould install superkaramba aero & liquid weather are awesome widgets!
[10:57] <Red_Herring> *such
[10:57] <Red_Herring> i have all those installed
[10:57] <xwolf-> wtf is *karamba?
[10:57] <Red_Herring> mines fully customized
[10:57] <Red_Herring> xwolf-: its like widgets for osx
[10:57] <yellowdart> Blippe: i like minimalistic for a lot of things...no need for tons of libraries you may never use
[10:58] <divansantana> one u change the wallpaper and add widgets its a lot better :D
[10:58] <seashell11> !superkaramba
[10:58] <ubotu> SuperKaramba is a KDE application that allows you to create interactive eye-candy on your desktop. Official site: http://netdragon.sourceforge.net SK Themes: http://kdelook.org
[10:58] <yellowdart> Blippe: mind you, i used to be a hardcore gentoo user :)
[10:58] <xwolf-> Red_Herring say it like i was a 4 year-old
[10:58] <Red_Herring> sorry, but the default kde is too boring, i mean come on, just put the bar on the top or something
[10:58] <divansantana> xwolf install superkaramba and learn! Its prety awesome
[10:58] <Red_Herring> xwolf-: its small  little "toys" on your desktop that do neat things
[10:58] <divansantana> incl in kde4 by default into plasma....
[10:58] <_grigory> if ill install kdeartwork, will it have any chances of killing my kubuntu? yesterday by accident i installed kdebase something and have to reinstall after that :( it just didnt boot
[10:58] <Red_Herring> they live there
[10:59] <seashell11> bar on top and bottom, that is one thing I have the same as gnome
[10:59] <xwolf-> oh, now we're getting somewhere
[10:59] <xwolf-> let me check the site
[10:59] <Red_Herring> its kinda pointless, just eyecandy
[11:00] <Red_Herring> i just think thta there are PLENTY of ways it can be cleaned up, and also, how bout coming with a new theme that looks interesting
[11:00] <divansantana> the cpu - ps - battery - cpu temp - monitoring is useful though!!
[11:00] <Blippe> packages to be a I love the minimalism in xfce, (when working in windows i exchanged everything to stuff from tinyapps.org and turned of everthing), but xubuntu uses tooo many gnomepackages to really be a what i expedcted from xfce
[11:00] <seashell11> Red_Herring: yea its just eyecandy, but it got my dad convinced to let me switch his computer over, he fell in love with the weather being on his desktop like that
[11:00] <Blippe> hopefully it will all change in dapper
[11:01] <Blippe>  I love the minimalism in xfce, (when working in windows i exchanged everything to stuff from tinyapps.org and turned of everthing), but xubuntu uses tooo many gnomepackages to really be a what i expedcted from xfce
[11:01] <Blippe> bah, stupid freaking keyboard
[11:01] <divansantana> ip monitor is very useful widget too!!
[11:01] <yellowdart> Blippe: but xfce is based on gtk...so it's not unexpected
[11:01] <Red_Herring> some are useful
[11:01] <divansantana> and stock market thing if u use it...
[11:01] <Red_Herring> but painfully slow
[11:01] <divansantana> most r not agreed!  Yeah agreed! sorry :(
[11:02] <_grigory> do i need any extra software to install widgets?
[11:03] <divansantana> has anyone tried getting google earth to work on linux?
[11:03] <seashell11> Red_Herring: its a celeron that I got, overclocked to 3.6ghz
[11:03] <Red_Herring> its just that on a beast machine, sure they are nice and fast, but under a minimalistic kde... i cant afford that
[11:03] <larsivi> centrino is the whole platform, not just the processor
[11:03] <Red_Herring> whatever
[11:03] <larsivi> the processors are called Pentium-M
[11:03] <Red_Herring> the point is my computer is significantly slower than his
[11:03] <larsivi> I've got a Pentium-M, and it's fast :)
[11:03] <divansantana> _grigory you need superkaramba and then open it...
[11:04] <seashell11> Red_Herring: buy you a now one
[11:04] <_grigory> ok.. lets find that
[11:04] <seashell11> :-S
[11:04] <Red_Herring> anyone willing to give me one?
[11:04] <seashell11> s/now/new
[11:04] <divansantana> has anyone actually used kpackage? Is it any good? adv/disadv??
[11:05] <divansantana> haha sorry I wish I was rich :D
[11:05] <_grigory> it didnt work for me... said that my password is wrong, although its totaly correct
[11:05] <Red_Herring> i was amazed by how remarkably faster kde runs when smb4k, kompose, and many other useless things were turned off, along with special effects
[11:05] <seashell11> divansantana: i tried kpackage, switched back to suod apt-* though
[11:06] <divansantana> _grigory explain in more detail
[11:06] <Red_Herring> to enable root:
[11:06] <divansantana> seashell11: did u find it better than adept?
[11:06] <Red_Herring> sudo passwd root
[11:06] <Red_Herring> thats it
[11:06] <seashell11> I dunno, never tried adept
[11:06] <Red_Herring> then that password thing should work
[11:06] <_grigory> when i try to install the package it asks for my pswd, just as it should, but keeps telling me that its wrong
[11:06] <Red_Herring> adept == crappy
[11:07] <_grigory> adept is not starting either... damn
[11:07] <divansantana> adept is basic but def crappy...
[11:07] <seashell11> ther is also kynaptic
[11:07] <Red_Herring> _grigory: that may be that its asking for it using su...
[11:07] <divansantana> _grigory reboot!
[11:07] <Red_Herring> which is disabled
[11:07] <Red_Herring> no
[11:07] <Red_Herring> just try to enable root, and see what happens
[11:07] <_grigory> ys, reboot. last time i rebooted everything crashed.. hope it goes better this time O.o
[11:08] <Red_Herring> try not to reboot now
[11:08] <Red_Herring> just try that fix i just mentioned
[11:08] <divansantana> where do u get kynaptic for breezy tho
[11:08] <Red_Herring> universe?
[11:08] <seashell11> sudo apt-get install kynaptic
[11:08] <Red_Herring> or is it in the main repos
[11:08] <_grigory> how do i 'enable root' though?
[11:09] <seashell11> I don't have a clue which repo, I just have all the repo's enabled all the time
[11:09] <Red_Herring> _grigory: in the terminal type this:
[11:09] <Red_Herring> sudo passwd root
[11:09] <divansantana> seashell11: kewl I never thought  it was there :)
[11:09] <Red_Herring> then do whatever it says next
[11:09] <_grigory> k, done
[11:09] <Red_Herring> anything change?
[11:09] <seashell11> !info kynaptic
[11:09] <jorik> adept is pretty good ... i like it over synaptic
[11:09] <ubotu> kynaptic: (Graphical package manager), section universe/admin, is optional.  Version: 0.55 (breezy), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[11:10] <seashell11> no like kpackage
[11:10] <Red_Herring> neat
[11:10] <_grigory> Red: yeah, it worked fine
[11:11] <Red_Herring> wow...
[11:11] <Red_Herring> and WHO TOLD HIM TO REBOOT?
[11:11] <Red_Herring> divansantana?
[11:11] <divansantana> darn kynaptic is darn ugly I remember it! uninstalled it already...
[11:11] <_grigory> :)
[11:11] <seashell11> divansantana: yea, me no like
[11:11] <seashell11> cli is the only way
[11:12] <_grigory> kdeartpackage is downloading... 300 kb\sec, still takes a long time
[11:12] <Red_Herring> anyone know any *GOOD* drivers for windows that can r/w ext3 partitions w/o giving me filesystem errors at bootup?
[11:12] <divansantana> nope
[11:12] <jorik> nope
[11:12] <seashell11> _grigory: doesn't that install by default?
[11:13] <_grigory> i am not sure...
[11:13] <Red_Herring> seashell11: no, thats an optional one
[11:13] <Red_Herring> usually its kubuntu artwork
[11:13] <Red_Herring> not kde
[11:13] <_grigory> ph, thats the thing about kpackage
[11:13] <_grigory> adept told me whether package is installed already
[11:14] <_grigory> kpackage doesnt tell you that in the main window
[11:14] <vge> hmm, somebody can tell a good burning software?
[11:15] <Red_Herring> i got a question, why not put in more wireless modules by default?
[11:15] <Red_Herring> vge: K3b
[11:15] <Red_Herring> its great
[11:15] <seashell11> !info k3b
[11:15] <ubotu> k3b: (A sophisticated KDE cd burning application), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.12.2-0ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 3658 kB, Installed size: 7880 kB
[11:15] <vge> ill look into it
[11:16] <Red_Herring> but the wireless card i *really* like is never included in any distro but whax
[11:16] <seashell11> Red_Herring: agreed Kompose sucks, it keeps on filling up my terminal with thing i don't want so goodby kompose
[11:16] <divansantana> what you mean seashell11?
[11:17] <divansantana> What can rip a DVD?? K3B?
[11:17] <poningru> divansantana: many things
[11:17] <divansantana> Does anyone know how to make an iso image of a cd using k3b or anything??
[11:17] <poningru> !rip
[11:17] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, poningru
[11:17] <poningru> hold on let me go find it
[11:17] <poningru> grr
[11:18] <Red_Herring> divansantana: k3b can
[11:18] <divansantana> kde app prefered
[11:18] <divansantana> how??
[11:18] <poningru> not sure about the dvd thing
[11:18] <seashell11> divansantana: ill post a screenshot
[11:18] <divansantana> kewl
[11:18] <Red_Herring> just make a normal cd, but whenit gets to the burning screen, save it to the hard drive where it says something about making an image of it
[11:18] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...when i run apps with kdesu or sudo the root fonts are too small...how can i change the fonet size?
[11:19] <divansantana> it saves it as .img instead of .iso :( then can't mount it :(
[11:19] <Mias> !celestia
[11:19] <ubotu> Mias: Do they come in packets of five?
[11:19] <Red_Herring> really? just rename it to .iso
[11:19] <Mias> yeah right
[11:19] <divansantana> in system settings m_tadeu appeareances => font
[11:20] <divansantana> I haven't tried that...
[11:20] <Red_Herring> divansantana: i think they are the same thing really
[11:20] <divansantana> I swear it use to work! Can't remeber how... :(
[11:20] <divansantana> I'l try
[11:20] <vge> ya, k3b is pro enough :)
[11:21] <seashell11> divansantana: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7337
[11:23] <Usefulldiot> Whenever i try and remove a directory off a usbstick with konqueror it says "Creating folders is not supported with protocol trash"
[11:24] <Red_Herring> do shift-delete instead
[11:24] <Usefulldiot> ahhh thankyou, saves much repetitive console work
[11:24] <Usefulldiot> (compile + testing) with a psp
[11:25] <divansantana> seashell11 thats probably because you opened kompose from terminal try open from alt+f2 rather and you won't get that!
[11:26] <divansantana> Still writes image as .img ! errr
[11:26] <divansantana> Will try rename when its done though... :(
[11:28] <seashell11> divansantana: what program are you using?
[11:29] <divansantana> k3b for trying to make iso image of dvd
[11:29] <seashell11> divansantana: oh by the way that did work to open it the other way
[11:29] <divansantana> Did you understand what I was saying about kompose and teminal problem...
[11:30] <divansantana> seashell11 if you run an app from terminal you see all its messages, this is ideal if you trying to see why it crashes or what its doing, just to keep that in mind, it help me :D
[11:30] <_grigory> wow... like 15 adept windowses just poped up in a second.. after they did not appear 15 mins ago... better late then never i guess
[11:30] <divansantana> haha
[11:31] <seashell11> _grigory: sometimes, lol, but I don't know if that applies with all 15 of them :-D
[11:31] <_grigory> :) and they all started t oask for my root pswrd... killed and killed
[11:32] <seashell11> uh, problems when hard drive makes weird screetching noises and computer wont boot............  Here?
[11:36] <_grigory> so i cant read anything in russian, and licq goes around that nicely by having a button for this right in the msg window
[11:36] <seashell11> divansantana: yea!
[11:36] <divansantana> kewl, I should try that...
[11:36] <seashell11> then all my messages from other im protocols will pop up in tabs in the same window
[11:37] <divansantana> okay...
[11:37] <seashell11> and you can add chanells to your buddy list
[11:38] <_grigory> you can do the same in GAIM probably
[11:38] <_grigory> i should try that now..
[11:38] <divansantana> hmmm i must try...
[11:38] <_grigory> how do i register my nickname here?
[11:39] <Syuusuke> ./msg nickserv register
[11:39] <_grigory> oh, its nickserv
[11:39] <Syuusuke> just follow the syntax after
[11:39] <_grigory> damn, "grigory" is already in use :(
[11:39] <Syuusuke> heh
[11:39] <_grigory> hate choosing nicks
[11:39] <_grigory> aight, be it "codemrus"
[11:40] <Red_Herring> yeah, someone took red_herring
[11:40] <seashell11> yea you can do it in gaim to, but i don't like the way gaim and kde run together
[11:40] <_grigory> wait.. thats too banal... ill stick with my name probably
[11:40] <Red_Herring> actually under AIM someone actually is Red_Herring
[11:40] <Red_Herring> which surprised me
[11:42] <_grigory> lets try logging in here from GAIM
[11:42] <_grigory> oh, working
[11:42] <seashell11> yep
[11:42] <seashell11> I like the way kopete does it better though
[11:42] <_grigory> nice! icq, msn, irc, all in one place
[11:43] <seashell11> _grigory: yea I luv it
[11:43] <_grigory> how do i "login" with my nick here?
[11:43] <_grigory> it says that im using someone elses nick
[11:43] <_grigory> although i just registered it
[11:43] <Syuusuke> ./nick yournamehere
[11:43] <Red_Herring> its you thats using it
[11:44] <_grigory> and entered pswd in gaim..
[11:44] <Syuusuke> then identify yourself
[11:44] <jorik> and kill him !
[11:44] <_grigory> yeah, how do i do that? after two years of not using IRC completely forgot all the commands
[11:45] <Syuusuke> ./msg nickserv identify passwordhere
[11:46] <Syuusuke> make sure you do it in the status window
[11:46] <Syuusuke> not here, just incase you mispelled it and you'll post your password to your login
[11:46] <_grigory> oh, ok, thanks!
[11:47] <Red_Herring> dont use the "." either
[11:47] <_grigory> :) well i do remember some things ;)
[11:47] <Red_Herring> ok good
[11:47] <Red_Herring> some people in the forums...
[11:47] <Red_Herring> just hafta be sure
[11:48] <_grigory> sweet, working
[11:48] <Syuusuke> awesome gj
[11:48] <_grigory> i remember we even had those channel wars, taking over the popular wars, setting up war-bots
[11:48] <_grigory> good old times
[11:49] <Red_Herring> well...
[11:50] <Red_Herring> i remember last month our bot made lilo come in
[11:50] <lebomb> hi
[11:50] <Syuusuke> hello :)
[11:50] <Red_Herring> he yelled at us for a while, then another admin came in
[11:50] <Red_Herring> turns out making clones of our bot is NOT a good idea
[11:50] <_grigory> hi lebomb
[11:50] <_grigory> =))
[11:51] <_grigory> lilo - admin?
[11:51] <Red_Herring> yup
[11:51] <visik7> is there some helix amarok plugin  ?
[11:51] <_grigory> and whos our bot?
[11:51] <Red_Herring> lilo as in the head of freenode
[11:51] <_grigory> !info bot!
[11:51] <Red_Herring> i think ubotu is the bot here
[11:51] <_grigory> oh, ubotu