[00:31] <robertparkerx> I'm not sure but I need help with znc. I'm using mirc and I created a remote script to catch the notice sent by znc when you connect. It doesn't seem to trigger.
[00:40] <OerHeks> mirc .. you need help from #windows.
[00:50] <Gerowen> Question Ubuntu users.  Does su -c work on Ubuntu like it does in Debian, or does it fail because it tries to run as the literal root user, which is disabled in Ubuntu?
[00:52] <matlock> It fails for me. I use $ sudo bash -c "echo 'hello'" instead.
[00:54] <OerHeks> sudo -i # would be preferred
[00:58] <EriC^^> Gerowen: how is it failing? are you putting a command after su -c?
[01:00] <Gerowen> I'm not using Ubuntu, I'm using Debian and writing an installer script for a personal little Python project, and wasn't sure if su -c worked on Ubuntu since by default, Debian does not have sudo, and in Ubuntu, root user is disabled.
[01:00] <Gerowen> I was just curious.
[01:01] <Bashing-om> Gerowen: "-c, --command COMMAND
[01:01] <Bashing-om>            Specify a command that will be invoked by the shell using
[01:01] <Bashing-om>            its -c."
[01:27] <elgooooooooG> gday all can anyone tell me if i can disable one of my three monitors (the one connected via hdmi) and what i should google to learn how?
[01:28] <elgooooooooG> not getting results or not sure of what to follow up-many thanks and happy new year
[01:29] <elgooooooooG> Linux n 5.0.0-37-generic #40~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Nov 14 12:06:39 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:31] <elgooooooooG> if anyone could tell me if this would work would be great https://askubuntu.com/questions/366813/disable-second-non-existent-screen-from-command-line
[01:31] <elgooooooooG> obviously id be looking for hdmi
[01:38] <elgooooooooG> okay if anyone is curious 'xrandr --current allowed me to see what devices i have
[01:39] <elgooooooooG> and xrandr --auto && xrandr --output (devicenamehere) --off allowed me to disable the monitor
[01:45] <elgooooooooG> my next question is will this change be persistent/or remain only till i reboot
[01:45] <EriC^^> elgooooooooG: temporary
[01:46] <elgooooooooG> EriC^^, thanks champ how could i make it persistent/what should i google
[01:46] <OerHeks> there is a button too, but you cannot reach it with your mouse
[01:47] <elgooooooooG> OerHeks, are u having a laugh(joking)
[01:49]  * elgooooooooG laughs uncontrollably at himself and tries to remember the rational for wanting to do it the hard way
[01:49] <OerHeks> yes, for 18.04 with systemd, write a proper service file like this to a script to turn it off https://askubuntu.com/a/1194293
[01:50] <OerHeks> and the last part shows how to disable that service too
[01:50] <elgooooooooG> thanks OerHeks =)
[01:50] <elgooooooooG> and EriC^^
[01:50] <OerHeks> have fun!
[02:14] <elgooooooooG> thanks again OerHeks just waht i needed, it remedies two problems that using my finger did not, much appreciated
[02:15] <jhutchins> What are the rules for cleaning up old kernels?  Is there a config file for how many to keep.
[02:16] <jhutchins> Is a pae kernel 32 bit?
[02:18] <Bashing-om> jhutchins: The package is "unattended-upgrades" See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels#Configure_Unattended_Upgrades_to_Remove_Unneeded_Kernels_Automatically
[02:21] <jhutchins> Bashing-om: Thank you.
[02:21] <jhutchins> Some distros are "always keep", some are "keep this many", some are "never keep".
[02:23] <Bashing-om> jhutchins: ' sudo apt autoremove ' should remove all but the latest 2 kernels.
[02:24] <jhutchins> Ah, I should do that.
[02:24] <jhutchins> Multi-upgrade from 2012 LTS.
[02:25] <jhutchins> Looks like it's probably a 32b system, so I'll have to schedule a rebuild at some point.
[02:25] <Bashing-om> jhutchins: I do not use unattended-upgrades; To remove old kernels I run 'sudo apt --purge autoremove ' to also remove the old config files.
[02:26] <jhutchins> Ah, this might help, removing 224 obsolete packages.  THis may take several hours.  (Well, no, but might take a little now.
[02:27] <Bashing-om> jhutchins: 12.04 IIRC did not support "autoremove". Likely that you will have to remove the old kernels manually :(
[02:28] <jhutchins> Y'know what? I can do that.
[02:28] <jhutchins> We are now upgrading 2014 to whatever's next, 2016 I presume.
[02:30] <Bashing-om> jhutchins: Year/month ... so latest LTS release is 19.04 == 2019. April.
[02:30] <OerHeks> 2020
[02:31] <Bashing-om> jhutchins: Yikes ! LTS latestis 18.04 !
[02:31] <Bashing-om> !releases
[02:40] <IcemanV9> -72-generic is BAD for my laptop (X1 Carbon); mouse/touchpad was useless. lucky, i used m$ button to open the terminal to reboot manually. had to use option at bootup to use -70-generic instead. is there a way to make -70-generic default?
[02:41] <IcemanV9> i'm on 18.04, btw
[02:42] <jhutchins> Bashing-om: I believe LTS updates every two years.
[02:43] <jhutchins> Observing 12->14->16(?)->presumably 18.
[02:43] <OerHeks> 18.04 + HWE gives me 5.0.0-37-generic
[02:44] <IcemanV9> indeed. 12.04 -> 14.04 -> 16.04 -> 18.04 -> 20.04 (soon)
[02:44] <jhutchins> We broke auto-login at 12->14, but I think I recall that the method of configurng it changed around then.
[02:44] <Bashing-om> jhutchins: confirmed. current LTSs 16.04 and 18.04 with 20.04 releasing 2020 in April.
[02:44] <IcemanV9> cool!, OerHeks
[02:45]  * jhutchins puts a recurring note in his calendar to upgrade every two years.
[02:45] <DarkTrick> Ubuntu 19.04: during opening two files in Meld (diff tool) and focussing the window I get a very high CPU load
[02:46] <OerHeks> ifs a high cpu load during a diff bad?
[02:46] <DarkTrick> checking with flamegraph reveals, that the process "swapper" spends very long times within kernel.kallsyms
[02:46] <DarkTrick> is that usual?
[02:46] <DarkTrick> OerHeks, the file has about 40 rows. I would not expect a (constantly) high CPU load
[02:48] <OerHeks> i do, it is not bad, but if it makes your system unresponsive..
[02:49] <DarkTrick> OerHeks, not unresponsive; why would it be usual that the CPU load rises so high? (about 60 - 80%)
[02:50] <jhutchins> DarkTrick: A cpu at 0.5% isn't giving you much for your money.
[02:52] <DarkTrick> jhutchins, that's the wrong direction I guess. I mean, why would the a process require so much effort from the cpu? And even if, I would expect Meld (the ran application) to have a high load. instead "swapper" seems to be busy...
[02:53] <jhutchins> DarkTrick: I don't know the specific programs, but are you swapping?
[03:00] <abhijithnraj> hello
[03:09] <DarkTrick> jhutchins, I wouldn't think so. I keep my computer untouched. Only the program is focussed
[03:10] <DarkTrick> jhutchins, let me ask this way: if the program does a lot of IO (for whatever reason), might that be reflected in another process (i.e. swapper)?
[03:14] <tboat> Hello, are Bionic update servers having issues? I am getting 503 errors when trying to update on Ubuntu Server LTS 18.04
[06:38] <A31017HT> hello speak russian?
[07:36] <Pegasus> Happy New Year! May 2020 bring you half of the problems and the double of happiness!
[07:38] <sid21g> Hello am on Ubuntu, the screen brightness does increase only sometimes while sometimes it doesnt? Does it have to do with the input voltage?
[09:25] <hcwool> hey everyone. posted this question 12 hours ago or so, sorry for the duplicate. my trackpad on my razer blade stealth stopped working in my 18.04 installation yesterday after being fine since i bought it (2017). the trackpad works fine from a live USB and also fine in my windows dual boot, so i'm not really sure what went wrong and how i should go
[09:25] <hcwool> about debugging it.
[09:36] <ryuo> hcwool: did you update the kernel recently?
[09:36] <ryuo> or some other software.
[09:36] <hcwool> ryuo i don't think so
[09:36] <ryuo> it's likely either a configuration issue or a software regression.
[09:36] <hcwool> is there anyway i could check or roll back?
[09:36] <ryuo> apt log files.
[09:37] <hcwool> i also did some digging, in my /proc/bus/input/devices file my trackpad shows up with event16
[09:37] <ryuo> i would check what xinput reports for cursor inputs.
[09:37] <hcwool> but in my xorg log files it shows up as event11
[09:37] <hcwool> on the liveusb those two events are the same
[09:37] <hcwool> but maybe that's okay?
[09:38] <ryuo> hcwool: try running xinput without arguments.
[09:39] <hcwool> the trackpad does show up there
[09:42] <ryuo> hcwool: could poke around in /var/log/apt
[09:42] <ryuo> particularly the history files
[09:43] <ryuo> if you know when it last worked
[09:43] <ryuo> course, updates have been rather slow so it may just be a configuration issue.
[09:43] <ryuo> depends when it all started
[09:43] <hcwool> okay
[09:44] <hcwool> will take a look, will need to dc and reconnect. see you in a bit
[09:44] <ryuo> but, if nothing was updated software wise in that time period
[09:44] <ryuo> then it's probably a configuration issue
[09:44] <ryuo> assuming it's not some rare issue that's hard to reproduce.
[09:45] <ryuo> hcwool: it's not often done anymore, but you can always try manual configuration of X11. sometimes that can be helpful if automatic stuff fails you for some reason.
[09:46] <hcwool> ryuo: how is that done?
[10:09] <hcwool92> ryuo: so i didn't find any explicit upgrades
[10:10] <hcwool92> but i saw this line that was like
[10:11] <hcwool92> actually hang on that was just a version number
[10:11] <hcwool92> damn
[10:24] <Trevor_B--> yo
[10:24] <Trevor_B--> happy new year everybody :)
[10:39] <juanonymous> any suggestion for a good and easy to install bitorrent on a ubuntu 18.04 vps?
[10:44]  * jesopo scoots around on the floor
[10:45] <Ben64> juanonymous: deluge
[10:46] <juanonymous> i am having a problem installing it thoug, i cant seem to run it
[10:51] <juanonymous> i am following these steps https://wpcademy.com/how-to-install-deluge-on-ubuntu-18-04-lts/
[10:59] <Ben64> oh don't use ppa
[11:15] <repozitor> http://dpaste.com/0XP1ABK
[11:15] <repozitor> any knows how to fix it?
[11:20] <ducasse> repozitor: is this ubuntu 14.04?
[11:21] <repozitor> yes
[11:21] <ducasse> that is eol, and not supported here. you can get commercial support from canonical.
[11:23] <juanonymous> Ben64: so how do i remove ppa then?
[11:23] <juanonymous> just apt-get remove deluge
[11:23] <tomreyn> !ppa-purge
[11:30] <juanonymous> thanks tomreyn
[11:31] <juanonymous> Ben64: what is the default port for deluge-web?
[11:31] <ducasse> juanonymous: 8112, iirc
[11:32] <juanonymous> so by just removing for example, the ppa
[11:32] <juanonymous> and then uninstalling deluge
[11:32] <juanonymous> ill just have to run sudo apt install deluge deluge-web
[11:32] <juanonymous> and then http://mydomain.com:8112
[11:32] <juanonymous> and it should work?
[11:33] <ducasse> it should, yes
[11:53] <CoolerZ> hey
[11:53] <CoolerZ> python3 is currently 3.6.9
[11:53] <CoolerZ> I want the latest python3
[11:53] <CoolerZ> TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'capture_output'
[11:53] <CoolerZ> that isn't supported in 3.76
[11:53] <CoolerZ> 3.6
[12:04] <juanonymous> i guess, this won't work after all
[12:04] <juanonymous> traffic is not allowing it to 8112
[12:28] <dreamon> want to start a programm and see what file access is going on.
[14:03] <kraiskil> How do I tell apt to download packages one at a time? Looks like it starts all downloads at once now.
[14:05] <jeremy31> kraiskil: use apt-get?
[14:06] <kraiskil> jeremy31, ok I'll try. Here I thought it was the same binary :p
[14:06] <jeremy31> kraiskil: There are a few differences, apt also has a progress bar
[14:09] <kraiskil> nah, looks like apt-get gets them all at once too
[14:10] <Kumool> yeah, looked at the manpage and theres no option to limit connections
[14:11] <kraiskil> Found this https://www.ethicalhackx.com/speed-apt-get-update-parallel-downloads/ but need to dig out how to unset this parallel download :D
[14:42] <kraiskil> man apt.conf tells me it is impossible :( Options are to connect to each host in parallel, or all URIs in parallel. Oh well...
[14:43] <tonyt> Happy New Years
[14:49] <corshmock> Does anyone ever experience an issue where their mouse pointer can move freely around the screen, but the left and right buttons stop responding?  I've tried different mice and I've also had this issue on different Distros.  Log off and log back in again seems to solve it as a workaround but it would be nice to have a proper fix.
[15:14] <GuiToris> hello, I need a little help. I'm inspecting midnight commander's directory hotlist (ctrl \) and I don't know the difference between 'insert' and 'append'. Could you tell me?
[15:25] <SrPx> this is the one thing that I need to uninstall my windows for good: https://superuser.com/questions/1513918/is-there-any-remote-desktop-solution-with-hardware-gpu-acceleration
[15:26] <SrPx> it is available for windows but not for linux, at all. if anyone ever develops such a thing, please let me know, I'd buy that aggressively
[15:34] <BluesKaj> Happy New Year everyone :-)
[15:36] <SrPx> happy new year!
[15:36] <SrPx> moved the post to askubuntu: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1199949/is-there-any-remote-desktop-solution-featuring-hardware-acceleration
[16:24] <corshmock> Happy New Year!
[16:50] <jhutchins> I am curious about why kubuntu uses sddm or lightdm instead of kdm.
[16:55] <BlueShark_> Hi. I installed Windows 10 on my PC and then tried to do a UEFI installation of Ubuntu 18.04. If I change the boot priority, I am able to boot into Ubuntu. Otherwise, by default, Windows 10 loads up when the PC is powered on.
[16:55] <BluesKaj> systemd?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> jhutchins,^
[16:56] <BlueShark_> I ran `sudo os-prober` and it did not have any output, which I guess means it did not find any OS.
[16:56] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: HP laptop?
[16:56] <BlueShark_> I did `sudo update-grub` as well, but nothing changed.
[16:56] <BlueShark_> jeremy31 Nope. It's a PC.
[16:56] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: But HP
[16:56] <BlueShark_> None of the components are HP, no.
[16:57] <BlueShark_> I disabled fast startup from Windows, shut it down properly, disabled Fast Boot from BIOS as well.
[16:58] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: Have you gone into UEFI and changed the OS boot or whatever so that ubuntu has priority?
[16:58] <BlueShark_> jeremy31 Where do I do that?
[16:58] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: post URL for>   efibootmgr | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:00] <BlueShark_> jeremy31 `EFI variables are not supported on this system.`
[17:00] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: URL>  sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:01] <BlueShark_> jeremy31 https://termbin.com/21o2
[17:02] <EriC^^> BlueShark_: are you booted into ubuntu now or a live usb?
[17:02] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: Windows is installed using EFI and Ubuntu is in Legacy mode
[17:02] <BlueShark_> EriC^^ I am booted into Ubuntu now.
[17:02] <EriC^^> yeah, +1 on what jeremy31 said
[17:03] <BlueShark_> jeremy31 Oh, how did you identify that?
[17:03] <EriC^^> BlueShark_: first efivars isn't loaded, 2nd you have a bios_grub partition which is required for legacy+gpt
[17:03] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: EFI variables not supported in Ubuntu, but your drive has EFI system partition
[17:04] <BlueShark_> OK. What's the cleanest way to fix it?
[17:04] <EriC^^> BlueShark_: if you can fresh install it'd be best and easiest
[17:04] <EriC^^> boot a live usb, make sure its in efi mode (ls /sys/firmware/efi) delete the ubuntu partitions and let the installer do its thing
[17:05] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: disable Legacy/CSM in BIOS
[17:06] <EriC^^> BlueShark_: the key thing here is to run "ls /sys/firmware/efi" after you boot the live usb, to make sure uefi mode was used (it should return dirs and not say file not found)
[17:06] <EriC^^> alternatively if you get a black/white grub screen instead of the nice menu in the middle, that means uefi mode was used
[17:09] <BlueShark_> EriC^^ "boot a live usb, make sure its in efi mode " - how do you boot a USB in EFI mode?
[17:11] <BlueShark_> jeremy31 That alone will fix the issue?
[17:11] <EriC^^> BlueShark_: sometimes you can set that in the bios, sometimes there's a one time boot menu you can access, it might say USB - blabla, and UEFI USB - blabla , choose the latter
[17:11] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: Better to reinstall with Legacy/CSM disabled
[17:12] <BlueShark_> Last time, I booted up a live USB and used GParted to create the necessary partitions.
[17:13] <EriC^^> BlueShark_: yeah i figured cause the bios_grub is a whopping 200+MB when it only needs to be 1mb
[17:13] <BlueShark_> EriC^^ "let the installer do its thing" - if I do that, I'll lose the Windows 10 installation, correct?
[17:13] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: But when you booted the ISO it had a Ubuntu logo with a message about starting in x seconds
[17:13] <BlueShark_> jeremy31 Yes, it did.
[17:13] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: Install alongside Win 10 works
[17:13] <EriC^^> BlueShark_: no, it should offer the option "install alongside windows", just make sure you delete the ubuntu partitions before starting the installer
[17:14] <EriC^^> choosing to "reinstall ubuntu" might erase the whole disk, at least it did in 14.04 dunno if they fixed that
[17:14] <jeremy31> as long as the installer is booted in UEFI
[17:14] <BlueShark_> Newer versions have this? Or does this feature only work for EFI installations?
[17:14] <EriC^^> what feature? alongside windows?
[17:14] <BlueShark_> Because I've never seen this "Install alongside windows" thing before in any of the installs I've done before.
[17:15] <EriC^^> it's been there for a long time actually
[17:15] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: I don't think it worked in 14.04 with Win 8 in UEFI but it was fixed
[17:15] <BlueShark_> Oh. It shows only when you boot as EFI?
[17:16] <EriC^^> no, in all modes efi and otherwise
[17:16] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: If windows is installed in the same mode as Ubuntu ISO is booted
[17:16] <EriC^^> as long as it detects windows and there's free unallocated space, it'll give the option, itll use that space and install next to windows
[17:17] <bestinket> hi
[17:17] <bestinket> cal -h shows error
[17:17] <EriC^^> hello
[17:17] <bestinket> what's the right cmd
[17:17] <EriC^^> bestinket: what error? paste
[17:17] <bestinket> https://www.computerhope.com/unix/ucal.htm
[17:18] <EriC^^> bestinket: paste the error you're getting i mean
[17:18] <bestinket> https://bpaste.net/I7NQ
[17:19] <EriC^^> bestinket: type "cat /etc/issue" and paste
[17:21] <bestinket> how do i display march of 2012 ?
[17:22] <bestinket> cat /etc/issue
[17:22] <bestinket> Ubuntu 19.04 \n \l
[17:23] <ioria> bestinket, 'cal 3 2012' does not work ?
[17:23] <bestinket> why not cal -m 3 -y 2012
[17:23] <bestinket> I'd like to use full options to understand them so i can use more
[17:24] <bestinket> whenever i use options i use them wrongly and get errors
[17:24] <BlueShark_> EriC^^ So if I use install alongside windows, would I not be able to specify whether I would like a separate /home partition etc.?
[17:35] <bestinket> cal -A 2 -B1 2012 ; shows error
[17:35] <ioria> bestinket, cal -h (not working) ; ncal -h (works)
[17:36] <bestinket> even cal -w doesn't work
[17:36] <ioria> use ncal
[17:38] <Malgorath> Anyone able to help me figure out why every few minutes my computer just stops responding for about 5 seconds, like keyboard everything locks uip
[17:38] <Malgorath> Just fresh installe 19.10
[17:38] <bestinket> if cal is a symlink to ncal, then it's using cal the same as using ncal?
[17:38] <bestinket> I am trying to understand UNIX here, not cal
[17:38] <bestinket> and developing the habit of reading manuals
[17:39] <ioria> bestinket, different layout
[17:39] <bestinket> but if something is a symblink then ...
[17:39] <jhutchins> lightdm is failing to start after upgrading from 12.04 to 18.04.  Not giving a whole lot of info either.
[17:40] <bestinket> isn't symlink like alias
[17:40] <jhutchins> bestinket: Yes, pretty much.
[17:41] <bestinket> jhutchins: then why cal -h; and ncal -h show different output that was what i wasa thinking
[17:53] <jhutchins> bestinket: No real knowledge, check the manpage for ncal.  Programs can detect how they were called and adjust their behavior.
[17:54] <ioria> bestinket, still looking, but appear a permission issue
[17:54] <ioria> bestinket, cal  fails to call /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gconv/gconv-modules.cache
[17:56] <jhutchins> lightdm wants to install all of gnome
[17:58] <NewToLubuntu> would anyone know how to find out what might cause around a delay of monitor flickering on startup that lasts around a minute?
[18:06] <FORDRDNK> anyonehere use ubuntu touch?
[18:21] <jhutchins> When I try to enable auto-login with sddm in kde, it prompts me for a password, but doesn't accept either the current user password or the root password.  What is it looking for?
[19:35] <weskrasko> Hello all! Hoping someone can help me fix my Ubuntu 19.10! Have dual boot, 1 SSD has 19.10, the other has Windows 7. Windows 7 boots, says both SSD's smart checks are fine. No issues. fsck from live cd says ssd is fine, gparted from livecd says partitions are there, I can mount them. It was working fine the other day, went to boot today and no matter what it just gets stuck at the screen with the dots (loading Ubuntu). If I try it in rescu
[19:35] <weskrasko> e mode, I get a bunch of failures.
[19:35] <weskrasko> Seems the SSD itself is fine but something got messed up on last reboot or update?
[19:37] <weskrasko> I should say it was yesterday it started. Trying to fix today.
[19:37] <weskrasko> But I had been in Windows for about a week.
[19:43] <nikolam> I wonder why Youtube video in Firefox has problems playing, while in the background, Steam is updating it's games?
[19:43] <nikolam> 19.10 here
[19:44] <nikolam> I see that ZFS is doing writing operations on ZFS mirror (HD's ) where I have put Btrfs-formatted ZFS volume, mounted under /Steam to be used for Steam
[19:47] <nikolam> Hm, maybe because I requested gzip-9 compression on that zfs volume, that I use for Steam..
[19:48] <nikolam> But iven it were using large cpu time for compression.. shouldn't that be doing in the background , and not staling Firefox cycles, so I don't have choppy video and sound in the meantime?
[19:48] <nikolam> Real bad real-time, even if I am using lowlatency kernel.
[19:53] <weskrasko> Anybody? I mean I guess I could backup data from live cd and do a fresh install, but that breaks my record! lol. I have had this Linux system running for like 15 years now! Changed hardware, moved to other drives, this is the first break I can't fix.
[19:54] <matlock> Nothing comes to mind without seeing the errors.
[19:54] <weskrasko> I can get you the errors.  I can try longer. I came back to a blank screen it did move past the boot/splash anyways
[19:56] <weskrasko> Burn is about 60% done (in Windows burning latest 18.x, if I have to re-install I'll stick with LTS!)
[20:01] <matlock> That should be long enough to rule out that. Post the errors so we can see them, there might be something there. I would probably end up imaging partitions with Clonezilla and then rebuilding the drive.
[20:19] <CoolerX> hey
[20:19] <CoolerX> how do I update python?
[20:20] <CoolerX> sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade didn't update it
[20:20] <CoolerX> python3 is still python 3.6.9
[20:21] <CoolerX> the latest version is 3.8.1
[20:22] <ioria> there is no python 3.6.9 on ubuntu
[20:22] <CoolerX> ioria, what?
[20:22] <CoolerX> ubuntu 18.04
[20:22] <CoolerX> yes it has python and python3
[20:23] <CoolerX> python3 on my system is currently 3.6.9
[20:23] <ioria> yes, but no -6.9
[20:23] <CoolerX> I am not sure what you are trying to say
[20:24] <weskrasko> WTF? It booted to login this time, but its locked up there for now
[20:24] <ioria> !info python3 bionic
[20:24] <CoolerX> huh?
[20:24] <CoolerX> that is weird
[20:24] <CoolerX> $ python3                                                                                Python 3.6.9
[20:25] <CoolerX> I don't think I installed python3
[20:25] <CoolerX> I did install miniconda
[20:25] <CoolerX> but that has it's own python inside environments
[20:25] <CoolerX> maybe it also installs python3 for the entire OS
[20:26] <CoolerX> ioria, can you check on your system?
[20:26] <ioria> what ?
[20:26] <CoolerX> which version you have
[20:26] <ioria> the one i linked
[20:26] <CoolerX> huh
[20:27] <CoolerX> can apt-get or apt-cache tell if you installed it using apt?
[20:28] <Ben64> what happens if you do "python --version"
[20:29] <ioria> he probably installed from source
[20:29] <CoolerX> https://askubuntu.com/questions/423355/how-do-i-check-if-a-package-is-installed-on-my-server
[20:29] <Ben64> python though? i would imagine that would break quite a few things
[20:29] <CoolerX> Ben64, that is the python 2 version
[20:29] <CoolerX> ioria, I didn't install python, I installed miniconda
[20:30] <ioria> !info miniconda
[20:30] <CoolerX> it doesn't work like that
[20:30] <CoolerX> https://docs.conda.io/en/latest/miniconda.html
[20:30] <CoolerX> the installer is a bash script
[20:31] <weskrasko> Guess I should just backup and re-install? Totally frozen from input on login. SLOWLY faded to screensaver. No mouse or keyboard, I can't even do an REISUB. It's like all of udev is screwed. That was the error by the way multiple failures of trying to start "udev Kernal Device Manager"
[20:31] <seere> CoolerX: which python3 binary are you starting? Try "which python3"
[20:32] <CoolerX>  /usr/bin/python3
[20:33] <CoolerX> which python gives /usr/bin/python
[20:33] <CoolerX> which python3 gives /usr/bin/python3
[20:33] <CoolerX> $ python                                                                                Python 2.7.15+
[20:34] <CoolerX> $ python3                                                                                Python 3.6.9
[20:34] <ioria> they are just symlinks
[20:34] <CoolerX> if I activate a conda environment then it switches things
[20:34] <CoolerX> $ which python                                                                      /home/user/anaconda3/bin/python
[20:35] <seere> CoolerX: that would be expected.
[20:35] <seere> CoolerX: and calling /usr/bin/python3 gives which version?
 $ python3                                                                                Python 3.6.9
[20:36] <CoolerX> ioria, how do I resolve the sym links?
[20:36] <seere> CoolerX: Check and call it as /usr/bin/python3 please.
[20:36] <ioria> CoolerX, are you serious ?
[20:37] <CoolerX> seere, I did
[20:37] <CoolerX> just now
[20:37] <CoolerX> and it gave that version
[20:37] <EriC^^> readlink -f /file
[20:37] <CoolerX> $ /usr/bin/python3                                                                         Python 3.6.9
[20:38] <CoolerX> $ readlink -f /usr/bin/python                                                              /usr/bin/python2.7
[20:38] <CoolerX> $ readlink -f /usr/bin/python3                                                             /usr/bin/python3.6
[20:41] <seere> CoolerX: by any chance - did you install it from source or from a PPA?
[20:41] <CoolerX> seere, I didn't install python
[20:41] <CoolerX> I installed miniconda
[20:42] <seere> CoolerX: did you ever use root or sudo when doing so?
[20:42] <CoolerX> I think the miniconda script may have required sudo
[20:42] <CoolerX> don't remember
[20:42] <CoolerX> actually no
[20:43] <CoolerX> I was able to install miniconda on a server that I didn't have sudo on
[20:43] <seere> CoolerX: it's weired that your /usr/bin/python3 is a 3.6.9, which isn't in the 18.04+Updates repos.
[20:43] <Ben64> it's because it's installed from the script thing
[20:43] <Ben64> who knows how or what it actually did
[20:44] <CoolerX> Ben64, well you can read the script
[20:44] <dozor> I believe that both python2 and python3 come installed on Ubuntu 18.04
[20:44] <ioria> its not an ubuntu pkg. period
[20:44] <seere> CoolerX: anayway, the heighest python3 version for 18.04 from official repos is 3.6.7+patches.
[20:44] <seere> dozor: I think we can bet on that.
[20:44] <Ben64> CoolerX: yeah i'm not gonna do that
[20:44] <CoolerX> seere, why? 3.8 has been out for years
[20:45] <Ben64> !latest
[20:45] <CoolerX> Ben64, that was not the point, I mean it is open source
[20:45] <Ben64> CoolerX: well you can read it
[20:45] <CoolerX> yes
[20:45] <CoolerX> anyone can
[20:46] <dozor> CoolerX 18.04 is a long term support release and aims to be stable, so won't have the latest Python version.
[20:46] <seere> CoolerX: stability of the package system, unfortunately nowadays some sort of pain.
[20:49] <Aavar> How can I install deluge 1.3.* on ubuntu 19.10?
[20:50] <Aavar> I tried with a source install. It works, but not as it's supposed to...
[20:50] <OerHeks> Eoan give deluge 2.x
[20:52] <Aavar> OerHeks: I know, that is the problem. 2.x is not compatible with 1.3...
[20:52] <CoolerX> seere, but it has been out for years
[20:53] <Ben64> Aavar: so don't use 1.3
[20:54] <seere> CoolerX: and the repos have some thousend packages on top of their released python version. It's not about stability of python3 itself, but about the fragility of these packages and their dependencies.
[20:54] <Aavar> Ben64: I hope you are joking right now? I do have a reason for not using 2.0... Just FYI ;)
[20:54] <Ben64> Aavar: which is...?
[20:55] <Aavar> Ben64: For starters, the current version in 18.04 LTS is 1.3.
[20:55] <OerHeks> ..not compatible, interesting.
[20:55] <Ben64> Aavar: so install 18.04?
[20:55] <seere> CoolerX: the whole thing about LTS is the promise of stable APIs over it's lifetime.
[20:56] <Aavar> Ben64: yes... I will reinstall my entire system for a package... that's what i'll do. Troll.
[20:57] <Ben64> you chose the latest version of ubuntu without checking to make sure things you wanted would work, that's not my fault and doesn't make me a troll
[20:57] <OerHeks> Aavar, sure, do that, for your special incompatibality
[20:58] <Aavar> OerHeks: It's not all that special if you think about it...
[20:58] <Aavar> Ben64: thank you for your help :D
[21:00] <seere> .oO(python 3.8.1 - Release date: 2019-12-18 - he said "available for years")
[21:00] <OerHeks> 3.6.7 + security patches equals 3.8 , just not the new features.
[21:03] <weskrasko> Hey all, I'm just backing up and will re-install. Is SMART status enough to know my SSD is still ok though?
[21:03] <Aavar> How can I run a graphical application as a different user?
[21:04] <OerHeks> weskrasko, smart is a good indicator, yes
[21:04] <weskrasko> Thanks!
[21:05] <jeremy31> weskrasko: gsmartmon shows a lot more info on SDD's than SMART results through Disks program
[21:06] <weskrasko> How do I run that? I'm in Disks in Live CD, Disk looks fine but it's not showing much.
[21:07] <weskrasko> Does report incorrect temp (94C!, Windows said 31C like the other SSD), and says 13 bad sectors
[21:07] <weskrasko> Or maybe that's correct temp and thhe problem? I don't know
[21:07] <weskrasko> But I'm backing up my files off it right now no problem.
[21:09] <jeremy31> weskrasko: My SDD shows 40C in gsmartcontrol
[21:14] <weskrasko> Im in live cd, not there, trying to install says it's not available
[21:16] <deadrom> hi
[21:18] <deadrom> want my NVidia K1100M (roughly a GTX760) to play and scale HEVC 4K in hardware with mpv, but doesn't happen. 18.04. discrete GPU on a Dell mobile workstation, BISO set to use only that. 3D works, binary nvidia driver. I hear I need some other driver, "glamoregl" or such?
[21:36] <weskrasko> Ugh, gsmartcontrol shows 90C too an bad sectors reallocated. Guess I'll grab a new drive. :(
[21:39] <jeremy31> weskrasko: what is the raw value for wear levelling?
[21:40] <weskrasko> 436
[21:41] <weskrasko> 13 reallocated bad sectors, 22 event count, 94C
[21:41] <weskrasko> Those are the highlighted values
[21:41] <jeremy31> Does it show SSD life left
[21:43] <weskrasko> Not seeing that anywhere. I'd run the tests but want to get my data off it first. If those temps are correct, that's scary.
[21:43] <deadrom> how do you even get an ssd up to 90C? m.2 in a notebook?
[21:45] <weskrasko> No, this is in a Desktop with fans and water cooled CPU! No idea
[21:45] <weskrasko> But Windows app (Crystal something) said 31C so I'm not sure that particular value is correct.
[21:45] <weskrasko> I would think I'd have a fire by now, lol.
[21:47] <jeremy31> I wonder if the value reported is in Fahrenheit
[21:47] <jeremy31> 31C = 87.8 F
[21:48] <weskrasko> Disks shows 94C / 201F
[21:49] <weskrasko> I mean, my Windows 7 is on a 1TB SSD, I suppose I could just carve a section of that for Ubuntu... will have to give that some thought too.
[21:50] <weskrasko> I have a normal HDD for storage
[21:50] <weskrasko> So you think this SSD is shot? What's the wear levelling mean?
[21:52] <EriC^^> weskrasko: 13 reallocated bad sectors sounds bad
[21:57] <jeremy31> weskrasko: wear levelling is how much has to be moved to keep use even
[21:58] <weskrasko> It is an older SSD. So my 1TB is newer, and higher end (Samsung 850 Pro vs PNY that's dying)
[21:58] <EriC^^> weskrasko: can you pastebin "sudo parted -ls" ?
[21:59] <weskrasko> I'm thinking I'll just carve out a space in that. But, I have 100GB unallocated at the end of it. Why would that be? Somehow I recall following a guide that may have told me to do that.
[21:59] <EriC^^> or if you know which disk it is, sudo apt install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdX | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:59] <EriC^^> replacing sdX with your disk name
[22:04] <weskrasko> Hardly use this, where's the link?
[22:04] <weskrasko> Said guest paste created but don't see a link
[22:05] <EriC^^> weskrasko: hmm, do you know the disk name for the ssd? sda sdb etc?
[22:05] <weskrasko> Maybe this: https://pastebin.com/raw/jqru2y4w
[22:05] <weskrasko> Yeah, it's the first one listed there, /dev/sda
[22:06] <EriC^^> weskrasko: ah cool, type "sudo apt install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999"
[22:07] <EriC^^> it should give a link back to the pasted output
[22:07] <EriC^^> share it here please
[22:07] <weskrasko> https://termbin.com/9u4f
[22:08] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: OH! "SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability." :)
[22:09] <EriC^^> nice :)
[22:12] <weskrasko> SMART keeps passing but I thought any bad sectors indicated it could go at anytime? One of those bad sectors must be preventing me from booting it. Guess I just shouldn't trust the drive now? Not sure what you're looking for/at in that output, but I have to leave for a while for dinner plans. Will check back.
[22:12] <weskrasko> And thanks all!
[22:15] <jeremy31> weskrasko: sounds like the last SSD that failed on me
[22:19] <EriC^^> weskrasko: apparently you should try to do a secure erase on the ssd, but whatever you do don't use hdparm to do that as you might brick it, if you cannot do a secure erase, then you can probably get away by doing a dd "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda"
[22:19] <Rhorse> H, I can't play  Amazon or Google movie content on Chrome. Chrome components don't mention widevinecdm. Firefox works ok with the same content. Any advice please?
[22:19] <EriC^^> weskrasko: the ssd manufacturer utilities might have a secure erase feature
[22:21] <jeremy31> weskrasko: If it has failed it may have gone read only
[22:36] <Rhorse> Hi, I can't play  Amazon or Google movie content on Chrome. Chrome components don't mention widevinecdm. Firefox works ok with the same content. Any advice please?
[22:36] <OerHeks> i am sure chrome can do that, chromium probably not without the widevine plugin
[22:37] <Rhorse> It keeps giving an error about DRM. I have DRM content checked in settings.
[22:39] <OerHeks> maybe amazon needs these tweaks, user agent https://www.maketecheasier.com/watch-netflix-hulu-amazon-prime-ubuntu/
[22:41] <Rhorse> Thanks, I'll check it out...
[23:29] <snufft> Hi everyone :)  I'm trying to get into an old 14.04 VM (VirtualBox, Win 10 host). The GUI side of things has disappeared completely and when I boot it, the cli login flashes up, then goes black/disappears, then flashes up again, over and over.  The keyboard is active for the brief moment that I see the CLI login, but that's it, so I can't
[23:29] <snufft> successfully type a password in.
[23:30] <snufft> I don't even know where to start with this one. It used to boot the gui login, but I don't know what's happened to that or how to re-enable it when I can't evne log into the cli. Would anyone be able to give me some things to start Googling? I'm quite lost at the moment with where to even start.
[23:33] <OerHeks> login in recovery mode and save your data, 14.04 is EOL dead
[23:38] <snufft> OerHeks thanks for the reply. That's what I'm trying to do at the moment. Once I've got the data off it, it'll be blown away :)  If I try and log in via recovery mode using the minimal graphics options, I can't seem to get anywhere. For example if I choose to reconfigure,  regardless of if I choose to use backed up settings, or default settings,
[23:38] <snufft> the screen just refreshes and gives me the same options again. I can read the xserver log files, but don't really know what I'm looking at just yet and if I review startup errors, the log is empty. I also can't edit the config file, it just does the same screen reloading thing.
[23:39] <snufft> So all of my falesafeX options when logging via recovery mode, are broken in some way.
[23:40] <OerHeks> maybe it is the .Xauthority thing that bug login
[23:40] <OerHeks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/436925/ownership-of-xauthority-transferred-to-root
[23:40] <OerHeks> remove it, it will be generated
[23:41] <OerHeks> * on login
[23:45] <snufft> I've removed it for that user using recovery console as root, but I've rebooted and I still have the flashing, so can't log in as that user anyway. If the cli side of things is doing this, is it still an Xserver issue?
[23:47] <OerHeks> hard to guess


[01:26] <Kevin_> Hi Everyone. I'm working on my Wordpress Ubuntu server and am looking for ways to up the performance. I've already installed a PHP accelerator and am wondering if it is worth it to configure MySQL caching.
[03:17] <nandemonai> Hiya guys. I'm wondering if there are any special steps I need to take in order to get /etc/network/if-up.d(if-down.d)/ scripts working. They're executable but don't seem to be working?
[03:59] <popcornPanic> is there any way to have a server's monitor show everything being done by all users?
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> top?
[04:03] <genii> ps aux ?
[04:04] <popcornPanic> not top. what's ps aux?
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> why not top?
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> what do you actually want to do?
[04:05] <popcornPanic> i don't want to look at the processes just the commands that have gone through
[04:05] <popcornPanic> commands and users who issue it
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> you'd need to customise the user logging
[04:06] <genii> popcornPanic: Those will be in their repective bash history files however
[04:08] <popcornPanic> okay. another question. does WinSCP actually send commands to the remote server and if so where would they be stored?
[04:08] <genii> Try the auth log for that one
[04:09] <genii> It should tell you the logins anyhow
[04:10] <popcornPanic> yes it shows logins.
[04:11] <popcornPanic> but no commands from the users. except for my user.
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> funny that *g*
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> being called auth.log and all
[04:12] <popcornPanic> ??
[04:13] <genii> popcornPanic: Since secure copy requires a login, it contains the times which scp/winscp etc connected and who connected
[04:13] <popcornPanic> yes.
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm sure theres a dozen and four guides on getting all users shell histories logged to a central location
[04:14] <popcornPanic> perhaps i will look
[04:14] <genii> popcornPanic: If the user excuted some commands while logged on, those would be shown in: /home/theirname/.bash_history
[04:15] <genii> And the timestamps will match
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> genii, as long as they use bash ;d
[04:20] <genii> Kamping_Kaiser: True, that
[04:20] <popcornPanic> last command show logins easier to read
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc if they (eg) run screen not all commands are written on the fly to .b_h.
[04:25] <genii> I sometimes use like: ps aux | grep $(w -h|cut -d" " -f1)                        to see what currently logged in users are running
[05:29] <ropetin> Evening all.  I know the answer to this is out on the Internet, but I can't think of the Google search to find it.  I have a server that is only accessible by ssh.  On the same local subnet as the ssh server I have another server I'd like to get access to the webserver on.  Is there a way for me to set up a tunnel to the webserver via the ssh server?
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes. why not simply ssh to it though?
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> or lynx
[05:31] <ropetin> It's running active content that links2 just won't handle (so I presume lynx won't either)
[05:31] <ropetin> It's a Windows server :)
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah.
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, check the man page for ssh
[05:38] <ScottK> Put ssh on the windows server.  You can do it cygwin.
[11:49] <backenfutter> every once in a while mysql-server pushes CPU and RAM usage to 100%, how would I go along and tweak that
[13:17] <confuded> Problem: I have a bridge set up (not sure how it works), the computer connected to bridge recieves all ip's and gateways, but has no internet still :(
[13:19] <confuded> anyone?
[14:04] <incidence> ai sun kaa
[14:05] <incidence> oho
[15:53] <Deeps> hmm, i'm attempting to mount a samba share from a windows machine (ntfs disk) on a hardy server using cifs, would like all files that are created to have global rw perms, however mounting with option file_mode=0666 doesn't appear to be doing anything :/
[16:40] <oxygen> hello
[16:40] <oxygen> is there any everybody online ?
[17:00] <balanceK> hello. when i login with ssh my server shows the motd twice, though the /etc/motd file contains the moth only once. The structure of the message looks like: motd\nNo mail\nLast login: ... \n motd. thx
[17:04]  * Nafallo wonders why he sees this bug...
[17:05] <Nafallo> nafallo@phoenix:~$ lsb_release -r && do-release-upgrade
[17:05] <Nafallo> Release:	8.04
[17:05] <Nafallo> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[17:05] <Nafallo> No new release found
[17:08] <Nafallo> ah! found it.
[17:08] <Nafallo> it have a config file :-P
[17:44] <axisys> what kind of card I need to feed my surveillance video data into my linux box?
[17:57] <greenfly> axisys: depends on what kind of outputs your camera has. if it's composite video then you need one of those TV tuner-type cards
[17:57] <greenfly> you can get them pretty cheap these days
[18:07] <axisys> greenfly: well I am thinking of getting IP/wireless cameras.. any recom on that?
[18:08] <greenfly> not really, I found some cheap ones at a local electronics store that just outputted composite video
[18:08] <jtaji> axisys: I've researched these before and the Panasonics seem good http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Computers-Networking/Network-Cameras/Network-Cameras.list.80002_11002_7000000000000005702
[18:08] <jtaji> axisys: not requiring IE/activex, etc...
[18:12] <gewt> 0.o
[18:12] <gewt> i egt I/O errors yet everything works fine...
[18:15] <greenfly> gewt: sometimes that's a precursor to a drive failing. do you have smartd running?
[18:17] <gewt> no, it was the install cd booting
[18:18] <greenfly> gewt: ahh, that would have been useful information :)
[18:19] <greenfly> I'd still scan the install CD for errors before you use it
[20:44] <backenfutter> does anybody know how to solve this? vzquota : (error) Quota is not running for id 101


[02:35] <bingoJACKPOT> fuckin' a mates. Hope everyone is doing well as always
[02:42] <tomreyn> bingoJACKPOT: still the wrong channel. also, i don't think you will have much luck finding someone to pay you for ubuntu bugs. maybe for exploits, but not around here.
[02:42] <bingoJACKPOT> I think, mate, perhaps you misunderstand: I just impulsively greeted everyone not realizing the default channel loaded
[02:43] <bingoJACKPOT> I apologize. Would you like me to split?
[02:43] <tomreyn> no need to leave ;)
[02:58] <bingoJACKPOT> So what do you do for a living, tomreyn


[00:12] <hypnoz> hi all, has anyone had a problem where their usb2 ports come up as usb1.1 ?
[00:13] <levander> hypnoz: I think there are usb1.1 cables that don't work with usb2, have you checked this?
[00:13] <pdragon> levander: it might not without the binary driver if it's an nvidia card
[00:14] <hypnoz> im using the cable that came with my hauppage nova-t stick
[00:14] <pdragon> i know mine does not. i have to boot with safe graphics mode to install it
[00:14] <levander> pdragon: I checked /etc/X11/xorg.conf, it's using the nv driver...
[00:14] <pdragon> yeah, that may not let tv out work
[00:14] <pdragon> doesn't for mine
[00:14] <levander> pdragon: awesome, so then it's not just me
[00:14] <pdragon> try booting with safe graphics mode
[00:14] <levander> pdragon: nv is the binary driver
[00:15] <pdragon> no, nvidia is
[00:15] <levander> hypnoz: what's a nova-t stick?  some things that don't need hi-speed, they're still making them in low speed.  low speed is still part of the 2.0 spec.
[00:15] <levander> pdragon: You know, I think you're right.  Damn, can't believe I got that backwards.
[00:16] <levander> pdragon: safe graphics mode works over tv out with the nv driver though?
[00:16] <pdragon> yes, does for me
[00:16] <pdragon> works enough for me to install it. can't use much like that
[00:16] <hypnoz> its a dvb usb dongle thing - dmesg is saying:  dvb-usb: This USB2.0 device cannot be run on a USB1.1 port. (it lacks a hardware PID filter)
[00:16] <levander> Yeah, I just looked on my PC that I know has hardware accelerated graphics working.  nvidia is the proprietary driver.
[00:17] <levander> hypnoz: What motherboard you have?
[00:17] <levander> hypnoz: You've verified the motherboard has USB 2.0?
[00:18] <levander> hypnoz: And, USB 2.0 is supposed to be backwards compatible.  I've heard that like 10,000 times by now that it's backwards compatible.
[00:18] <hypnoz> the manufacturers website says it is :)
[00:18] <hypnoz> its a via cn-series mini itx board
[00:18] <levander> pdragon: What's weird is that it actually came up once under TV out...
[00:18] <pdragon> it is. just runs at 1.1 speeds
[00:18] <levander> pdragon: But, hasn't come up successfully again.
[00:19] <levander> pdragon: You see that he's getting error messages saying it won't work?
[00:20] <levander> hypnoz: Oh, maybe that error message isn't complaining about the versions.  Maybe the key thing is the PID filter?  Whatever a PID filter is.
[00:20] <pdragon> dunno anything about that. sorry :(
[00:21] <levander> hypnoz: Look in "Digital Hardware-MPEG cards" on this page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card
[00:21] <levander> It says something about your problem, I didn't understand it reading it quickly.
[00:22] <levander> hypnoz: To find that, I googled for "it lacks a hardware PID filter" - if you don't understand an error message, google on the error message string itself
[00:23] <hypnoz> hmm thanks :)
[00:29] <levander> pdragon: It was weird.  After it booted, I got a black screen with a mouse pointer I could move around.  Then, I hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and X restarted.  User ubuntu logged in after I waited thirty seconds, now I've got a desktop with the two icons.  One being "Install Mythbuntu".
[00:29] <levander> pdragon: Is that how it works for you?
[00:29] <pdragon> no, for me i never get a desktop to load
[00:29] <pdragon> just shows the loading bar then a black screen after it finishes
[00:30] <levander> pdragon: I'm talking about in safe graphics mode.  Does the same happen for you in safe graphics mode?
[00:32] <pdragon> oh yeah. i didn't have to restart X, tho
[00:32] <pdragon> just went right to the desktop after a few seconds after the loading bar
[00:33] <pdragon> but yeah, that's what you should have when the live CD boots up
[00:35] <levander> Just weird I had to restart X.
[00:35] <levander> What's the directory for myth recordings?  /var/lib/mythtv/recordings?  I'm partitioning my system now.
[00:38] <pdragon> dont remember off-hand. i changed mine
[01:32] <hansoffate> hello all, anyone have anyidea why when im listening to MythStream after a period of time (haven't really noticed how long ~20 minutes?)  the tv displays "No Signal"  and there is no display or audio.  However, through the tv's audio out, it is still being sent to the reciever and the music is playing in the other room.  Is there anyway to make it not lose signal?
[01:56] <Tar1> hansoffate, blame DPMS
[01:57] <hansoffate> Tar1: DPMS?
[01:57] <Tar1> after a period of inactivity, it'll stop giving video information (to save power)
[01:57] <Tar1> you can disable it by editing a line /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:58] <Tar1> comment out 'Option "DPMS"' somewhere in the Monitor section
[02:15] <hansoffate> Tar1: i just checked my xorg, i dont have DPMS in there anywhere
[03:04] <MythbuntuGuest32> hey guys, iam going to be setting up my first media center (linux). Is there any way to get free tv listings? instead of paying schedules direct?
[03:11] <JThundley> hansoffate: xset -dpms s off s noblank s noexpose
[03:11] <JThundley> make that run with X and you'll be golden
[03:14] <nettow0822> anyone awake?
[03:15] <JThundley> of course
[03:15] <hansoffate> Back from dinner JThundley  what do you mean?  put it in xorg under monitor?  or just go into terminal and type that in once?
[03:15] <JThundley> it's a command, run it in a terminal
[03:16] <JThundley> it takes effect immediately
[03:16] <JThundley> let me see how I made it run with X
[03:17] <JThundley> in ~/.config/Autostart you make shortcuts to applications, .desktop files
[03:17] <JThundley> I made one of those that just runs a shell script in my ~/bin
[03:17] <JThundley> would you like me to privately spam you some details so you can just paste it right in?
[03:18] <hansoffate> yea, that would be great
[03:22] <MythbuntuGuest32> i guess the only way to get tv listings is through schedules direct?
[03:22] <hansoffate> for US, yes, that i know of
[03:23] <hansoffate> oh wow, lots of myth updates
[03:23] <MythbuntuGuest32> what about Canada?
[03:31] <nettow0822> hey all
[03:34] <hansoffate> MythbuntuGuest32: someone else should be able to answer that for you, i'm pretty new here
[03:34] <JThundley> and frankly, as an American I'm shocked to learn that people live elsewhere in the world.
[03:36] <MythbuntuGuest32> lol
[03:37] <MythbuntuGuest32> iam pretty sure not everyone has to sub to schedules direct to get tv listings
[03:38] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest32: Over The Air listings?
[03:40] <hansoffate> JThundley: i just pmed you alot of info
[03:40] <hansoffate> well more like questions
[03:40] <JThundley> I didn't get any of it
[03:40] <JThundley> you probably have to register your nick
[03:40] <hansoffate> oh, haven't done that
[03:40] <JThundley> check the server tab of your irc client
[03:40] <JThundley> good thing you told me in this channel
[03:41] <nettow0822> I need some help...
[03:41] <JThundley> this one time I PM'd my buddy and waited on him for hours for a reply. We had this big miscommunication
[03:41] <JThundley> all because I lagged out and had an underscore after my nick
[03:41] <hansoffate> ugh, i don't know how to use this stupid mac irc client
[03:41] <nettow0822> i just loaded the newest linuxtv drivers...
[03:41] <hansoffate> hahaah
[03:41] <hansoffate> that sucks
[03:42] <JThundley> you don't need to do anything special with the client
[03:42] <JThundley> to register, just /msg nickserv register passwd
[03:42] <nettow0822> i'm trying to get a dvico fusion 5 express to work
[03:42] <JThundley> and then /msg nickserv ident password
[03:43] <nettow0822> the funny thing is.....I have a fusion pci card that does work...
[03:43] <nettow0822> but I can't get both to work
[03:43] <jumpkic1> superm1: did you guys move off my server?
[03:44] <nettow0822> the pci will work by itself and the pcie will work by itself
[03:44] <nettow0822> but not both at the same time
[03:46] <nettow0822> wow it is italian night
[03:48] <nettow0822> daviey...any ideas?
[03:49] <nettow0822> take your time...watching carmon electa video's...aerobics
[03:52] <nettow0822> any idea's yet?
[03:53] <nettow0822> hey mario
[03:53] <nettow0822> or tgm4883
[03:56] <nettow0822> daviey...you awake?
[03:57] <nettow0822> tgm4883 you there?
[04:00] <jupdike_> I tried to register my nickname
[04:03] <nettow0822> me too but it doesn't work.....something isn't right
[04:03] <hansoffate> i just registered my nick, and it worked
[04:03] <hansoffate> ~10 minutes ago
[04:04] <nettow0822> i registered mine several months ago...doesn't work now
[04:05] <nettow0822> I even changed it...still doesn't work
[04:09] <nettow0822> wow no one is here to talk technical?
[04:10] <jupdike_> I am new to IRC how can you tell if your nickname was registered?
[04:10] <nettow0822> jupdike...what your problem?
[04:12] <jupdike_> I am going to try and install Ubuntu-mythtv and thought that I would go to the irc and see what everyone was talking about.
[04:29] <nettow0822> ok
[04:50] <MythbuntuGuest87> Hi.  I am having problems with my new Mythbuntu setup.  I am new to Linux, so my problems will probably have easy answers, but lots of Google searching turned up no helpful answers for me.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I am running Mythbuntu on an AMD 5600+ X2 with 2 gig of RAM, using a Hauppauge HVR-950 USB HDTV tuner, and an ATI HD 2600 pro video card using the new 8.443.1 set of drivers.  The problem is thus:  When I play liv
[04:57] <MythbuntuGuest31> Sorry, got logged out.  In addition to the above specs, I am running Gutsy Gibbon
[04:59] <JThundley> MythbuntuGuest31: you got clipped dude
[04:59] <JThundley> "The problem is thus:  When I play liv"
[05:00] <MythbuntuGuest31> well that sucks
[05:00] <MythbuntuGuest31> ok, here goes again
[05:01] <MythbuntuGuest31> When I play live tv, I get a green bar across the top of the screen and there seems to be an overlay problem of some sort, as the colors are seperated from each other and "ghosting" on the screen.
[05:01] <MythbuntuGuest31> lots of bleeding across as well
[05:23] <nettow0822> well go to 169.04
[05:26] <hansoffate> anyone got any idea why when i try accessing mythweb, i get database access denied?
[05:55] <hansoffate> nm, fixed
[09:20] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[09:20] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey Daviey!
[09:33] <MilhousePunkRock> I am planning to do a fresh install of Mythbuntu (right now I have installed it on top of an existing Ubuntu) as I  can't get my Nova-T 500's remote to work. Any thoughts on the partitioning scheme? Should I make a large seperate /var for the recordings or just have a large /home and have recordings stored there?
[09:43] <MilhousePunkRock> and what about the filesystem? I remember reading that ext3 is not a good choice somewhere...
[09:58] <JThundley> nah it's fine
[10:00] <MilhousePunkRock> JThundley: Interesting, people in #mythtv-users say XFS would be the best choice
[10:01] <hugolp> MilhousePunkRock:  XFS is best for big files as recordings, but ext3 is better for small files like system files
[10:01] <hugolp> ideally you would put the system (mythtv included) in a ext3 hd
[10:01] <hugolp> and keep the recordings on a XFS hd
[10:01] <hugolp> In practice I have everything in a ext3 hd and never had no problem
[10:02] <JThundley> yeah, it's fine
[10:02] <hugolp> Ive been recording 3 channels at the same time and using the computer at the same time, and had no problem
[10:03] <MilhousePunkRock> hugolp: It a rather old machine, the hdd and/or IDE controller is probably not too fast as well...
[10:05] <hugolp> MilhousePunkRock:  then the filesystem will even matter less
[10:05] <hugolp> if the controller is the slower piece, you wont notice a little performance change in the hd
[10:09] <MilhousePunkRock> Am I assuming correctly that mythbuntu only has a minimal xfce compared to xubuntu?
[10:12] <MilhousePunkRock> Ok, what about 15 GB / 5 GB /home, both ext3, 1 GB swap and the rest for the recordings in XFS?
[10:19] <MilhousePunkRock> If I pass grub options to the live CD, those will be written in my menu.lst when installing, right?
[11:02] <popey> no
[14:58] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[15:13] <nettow0822> hey all
[15:14] <nettow0822> Where can I post something about the newest linuxtv drivers & pcie?
[15:27] <nettow0822> and mythtv
[16:09] <rinaldi_> hi im trying to map the buttons for my hauppauge remote control but its only detecting the arrow buttons, the number buttons and the ok button. is this all that is supported because it would be nice to have play/ rewind/record functions. thanks
[19:37] <levander> Last time I installed MythTV I did something so that I could access the database remotely.  Now I can't find the doc.'s for what to do? Anyone got a link?
[19:45] <pdragon> phpmyadmin is installed
[19:45] <pdragon> that what you mean?
[19:50] <pdragon> it's at mydomain.com/phpmyadmin
[20:04] <superm1> go to mcc and turn on mysql service
[20:04] <superm1> and then make sure you are using public ips for BOTH boxes in mythtv setup
[20:04] <superm1> and reboot
[20:38] <ille> levander: I would guess, #skip-networking in mysql config
[20:54] <superm1> ille, that's handled by mcc
[20:54] <superm1> it goes in mythtv.cnf file
[20:55] <superm1> to override the main one
[20:57] <ille> didnt realise that I was in mythbuntu channel...
[21:10] <superm1> :)
[21:20] <nettow0822_> hello all
[21:20] <nettow0822_> anyone awake?
[21:22] <Dr_willis> Howdy
[21:22] <Dr_willis> Hmm. Is theres some bug with one of the mythtv packages? its been saying 1 update for the last week or 2. :) it never watns to actually update
[21:23] <Dr_willis> 'ubuntu-mythtv-frontend'  never watns to update
[21:24] <Dr_willis> the avail, and installed version #/names seem to be the same.
[21:24] <superm1> Dr_willis, known ppa bug
[21:24] <superm1> its nothing wrong with the package
[21:24] <superm1> its the package build system's bug
[21:24] <Dr_willis> Ok. Just though it was a little.. odd. :)
[21:24] <Dr_willis> Nothing to worry about then.
[21:25] <superm1> yeah
[21:25] <Dr_willis> I just always have that update icon in the panel.  heh.
[21:26] <nettow0822_> superm1.....where can I post an issue for mythtv?
[21:26] <superm1> bug, or configuration issue?
[21:28] <nettow0822_> well not sure...
[21:31] <nettow0822_> i downloaded the latest linuxtv drivers to use a pcie fusion hdtv rt gold express card but mythtv doesn't recognize it
[21:32] <nettow0822_> but it just so happens that I have the same card in a pci version.....
[21:32] <nettow0822_> I swapped the pcie for the pci and mythtv didn't care....it worked
[21:33] <levander> Did zap2xml stop working?
[21:35] <levander> Hey, have yall seen this?  cttvlistings.net offers TV listings cheaper than Schedules Direct!
[21:41] <superm1> post on the forums then nettow0822_
[21:42] <Dr_willis> levander,  and how cheap is cheap?
[21:42] <Dr_willis> :)
[21:43] <Dr_willis> i ask.. since the web site isent wanting to load.
[21:45] <levander> Dr_willis: $7/year.  Or four days of listings at a time for free.
[21:46] <levander> Dr_willis: their web site is working fine here: https://cttvlistings.net/
[21:50] <Dr_willis> getting a problem loading the page.. lets try again
[21:50] <Dr_willis> there it went
[21:52] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. so let me get this straight.. for 'free' i can get 4 days worth of listings?
[21:52] <Dr_willis> Then in 4 days - it updates again.? or am i missreading this.
[22:04] <Daviey> well, i'm guessing the xmltv source only has 4 days of listings at any time
[22:05] <Daviey> so when you mythfilldatabase, it will gra 4 days - if you do this daily - then you get 4 days for free (i guess)
[22:17] <Dr_willis> that makes sence.. and will work out nicely for me. :)
[22:22] <Dr_willis> Now if i can figure out how to make mythtv use the cttvlistings...
[22:28] <levander> I just looked into cttvlistings.  It looks like they just came out of beta early this month.  The only client I can find to download is a Windows client.
[22:29] <levander> Even though they have that it works for "CT TV Listings is a service that delivers U.S. TV listing data(Excluding OTA) for use in software based electronic TV guides. Software like MythTV, GB-PVR, Mediaportal, FreeGuide, Freevo and any other Open source or Free to use software."
[22:29] <Dr_willis> yea. been googling now also. :P
[22:29] <levander> MythTV is listed first, and I can't find the Linux client anywhere.
[22:29] <Dr_willis> I noticed that mention of MythTV  also. can not find any info on it at all.
[22:30] <levander> Well actually, they came out of beta on Sept. 20: http://ctpvr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=337
[22:31] <Dr_willis> Im signed up.. i can see my schedule on their web site. :)
[22:31] <levander> Dr_willis: Yeah, I'm signed up to.
[22:31] <levander> Think I should post something on their forum asking where the Linux client is?
[22:32] <levander> This is getting ridiculous trying to find it.
[22:32] <Dr_willis> Yep. glad you are having problems.. i thouhg I was being stupid.... :)
[22:32] <Dr_willis> the 2 google hits i get - just talk about it..
[22:32] <Dr_willis> nothing on the mythbuntu forums
[22:32] <levander> I'm posting.  Give me a second and I'll give you a link to the post.
[22:33] <levander> Dr_willis: this isn't promising: http://ctpvr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=341
[22:33] <Dr_willis> maybe best to just pay the otehr guys eh heh heh...
[22:34] <levander> That post is like the fourth one down on the Technical Support forum.
[22:34] <levander> I'm gonna post something in another forum.
[22:34] <Dr_willis> Yep. Well the holiday seasons is not a good time  for a lot of this stuff.
[22:40] <levander> Dr_willis: http://ctpvr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1897#1897
[23:00] <Dr_willis> lets see...
[23:00] <Dr_willis> righ now im not even getting any listings. :)
[23:01] <Dr_willis> Im guessing that cttv will have some sort of file ya can download.. proberly goning to need to set up mythtv to point to the right file. but Im drawing blanks on my searching also.
[23:02] <Dr_willis> The kind of jobs that should be trivial (like this one) always seem to be the hardest. :(
[23:04] <Dr_willis> if cttv is piowered by zap2it.. Hmm
[23:05] <Dr_willis> Oh wait. thers no zap2it any more mentioned in the listing grabber pulldown menu in mythtv-setup
[23:05] <Dr_willis> well i will keep an eye on it i guess. :()


[00:05] <fta> [reed], do you know if fennec has an icon already?
[00:31] <fta> seems fennec now wants xul 1.9.1
[00:37] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/fennec.png
[03:58] <crimsun> fta: just a note: your ppa alsa-lib builds are obsoleted; Luke's changes to alsa-lib and alsa-plugin [both packages required] obviate my branch's
[03:59] <crimsun> fta: i.e., you should be fine just using libasound2 and libasound2-plugins from current intrepid
[04:01] <fta> nope, all apps block each other
[04:03] <fta> start rhythmbox, pause it, start mplayer, pause it, unpause rhythmbox, it is either frozen or silent
[04:03] <fta> same if you play a flash video in side ff (instead of mplayer)
[04:03] <fta> same with totem
[04:04] <fta> same with prism
[04:04] <fta> etc, etc, etc
[04:04] <fta> crimsun, ^^
[04:11] <crimsun> fta: let me attempte to reproduce your symptom in current intrepid with just rhythmbox and Flash 10 RC 2
[04:11] <crimsun> -e
[04:12] <fta> ok, let me know. i'm going to bed
[04:22] <crimsun> fta: I can't reproduce that symptom using your interleaved pause-unpause test case
[07:46] <[reed]> fta: it does
[09:13] <gnomefreak> asac: im waiting for a bug number on the sunbird bug from mozilla so i can patch it. I may wait until its fixed to have you push to debian
[12:20] <fta> [reed], yes, found it yesterday => https://edge.launchpad.net/fennec
[13:20] <fta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=944172
[16:56] <asac> fta: for fennec: talk to persia he wanted to get involved (or someone else from the mobile team)
[16:57] <asac> fta: so while it might be easier to package on our own, it would be beneficial to have another developer know how to package xul apps :)
[17:03] <fta> asac, i did, yesterday
[17:03] <fta> in fact, the request apparently came from lool
[17:04] <asac> fta: cool. what came out of it?
[17:05] <fta> nothing
[17:05] <fta> you can give it a try, it's in my ppa
[17:06] <fta> problem is, it's designed for touch screens, not mouse
[17:06] <fta> so you have to guess where you are when you click
[17:06] <fta> but the ui is kind of great
[17:21] <asac> hmmm ... i have a touch screen device ;)
[17:22] <asac> probably i should install latest ubuntu-mobile on it and then try
[17:23] <asac> fta: so we do fennec alone? e.g. without the mobile team getting involved :(
[17:24] <fta> i can give it to them, i don't care. i thought that if someone cared, it would have been done long ago
[17:24] <fta> this is M9 already
[17:25] <asac> fta: yeah well. they now care ;)
[17:25] <fta> i wanted to ask them how to properly integrate this app into the mobile desktop, but it attracted no interest so far
[17:25] <asac> fta: the idea is not to give it away, but get them involved :)
[17:25] <asac> e.g. bumping versions, adjusting eventual patches
[17:25] <asac> so they get used to the packaging we are doing
[17:26] <asac> fta: i think they were quite busy because they a) wanted to release something stable
[17:26] <asac> and b) prepared a new way of the mobile desktop that uses gnome
[17:26] <fta> now they know we have something, they can come and ask if they really care
[17:27] <asac> fta: right.
[17:27] <asac> fta: its just when we are too proactive this might have the effect "well, all happens automatically. lets work on something else"
[17:27] <fta> maybe i should start a blog
[17:29] <asac> fta: blogs are a good vehicle to get messages out and to overcome communication walls
[17:29] <fta> i just have no idea how to start
[17:31] <asac> "hello world" :)
[17:37] <fta> lol, no, i mean, which soft, or online service
[17:41] <shirish> asac: are you online buddy?
[17:42] <shirish> bbiam
[17:43] <shirish> asac: if you are online, please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/279262 and pardon my foolishness therein.
[18:21] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/fennec.png
[18:21] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/fennec1.png
[18:21] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/fennec2.png
[18:21] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/fennec3.png
[18:21] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/fennec4.png
[18:21] <fta> asac, ^^
[18:21] <sebner> fta: the fox looks strange xD
[18:21]  * sebner is scared
[18:21] <fta> it's a fennec
[18:22] <fta> not a regular fox
[18:23] <fta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fennec_Fox
[18:23] <sebner> hehe
[18:23] <sebner> these ears xD
[18:23] <fta> http://www.intothefuzz.com/2008/06/30/feeling-fennec-y/
[18:24] <sebner> *sweet*
[18:24] <sebner> fta: thx
[18:25] <fta> too bad i don't own a device that could run that :(
[19:59] <fta> asac, i've improved dquilt
[20:08] <fta> [reed], do you know if/when 3.0 and trunk will get nspr 4.7.2 Beta 4 ?
[20:43] <fta> asac, something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/56397/
[20:44] <asac> fta: quite nice ;)
[20:45] <asac> (fennec)
[20:46] <asac> fta: cool. so it unpacks embedded now?
[20:46] <fta> yes
[20:46] <asac> fta: good thing. is that in -devscripts? or -tools?
[20:46] <fta> tools
[20:48] <asac> fta: ok. i think we need to add a transition package "firefox-2"
[20:48] <asac> :)
[20:48] <asac> i completely forgot about that
[20:48] <asac> ;)
[20:48] <fta> that will force user to upgrade.. some will complain
[20:48] <asac> firefox-2 depends: firefox
[20:49] <fta> userS
[20:49] <asac> fta: no thats ok
[20:49] <asac> fta: it was a service to provide firefox-2
[20:49] <asac> we remove that package  ;) ... so we have to auto upgrade them ;)
[20:49] <asac> we will do the same in hardy
[20:49] <asac> ;)
[20:56] <fta> asac, http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/dda85c54599d/xpcom/io/nsAppFileLocationProvider.cpp
[20:57] <fta> asac, i mean
[20:57] <fta> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dda85c54599d
[21:21] <[reed]> fta / asac: again, why aren't your local patches upstreamed?
[21:36] <fta> good question
[21:36] <fta> you will probably reject most of them
[22:14] <shirish> asac, you up buddy?
[23:09] <fta> crimsun, i think it has to do with streams "timeouting". With rhythmbox, there's no stop, just pause.  I pause it when i'm not in front of the computer, or when i need to listen or watch something else. when i unpause it, it is frozen or silent
[23:40] <fta> crimsun, well, sound no longer freeze with your old patch but it's no longer smooth like before.. it gets choppy in some cases


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 Jenkins itself is java
[00:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[01:00] <gsilvapt> Yeap, I could check that right after I was talking with acheronuk
[01:01] <gsilvapt> Converting KCI to Python is still a vertiginous task to do
[01:01] <gsilvapt> It would be possible to integrate with Jenkins though, they have some docs for Python projects
[01:03] <ahoneybun> anyone got a link to our git stuff on lp?
[01:05] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[01:07] <gsilvapt> you mean the kubuntu-packaging, ahoneybun?
[01:07] <gsilvapt> Like this: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git
[01:08] <ahoneybun> yea thanks gsilvapt
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[05:15] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[06:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[06:55] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[07:18] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[10:11] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:22] <davmor2> daft question that I can't find a conclusive answer for, in kontact/kmail is there a way to add a folder to the root mail name or can I only add folders to existing folders under the root mail name...ie can I add a folder at the same level as inbox rather than within inbox?
[10:23] <davmor2> trying to figure out if it is a missing feature, bug, or deliberate
[10:30] <blaze> davmor2: try to ask here #kontact
[10:33] <davmor2> blaze: awesome thanks
[13:57] <clivejo> acheronuk: is santas server offline for you?
[13:57] <acheronuk> yes
[13:57] <clivejo> hummm
[14:06] <clivejo> mparillo: could you bump FW to 5.37 for AA please on the status page
 can people test 5.37 for zesty also?
[14:08] <clivejo> in staging?
 yup. though I'll copy to landing in a bit
[14:09] <clivejo> how would you feel about removing the status from the topic and replacing with a link to the page on Phab?
[14:10] <acheronuk> kopying....
[14:11] <clivejo> oooo Krita 3.2.0 is out
[14:11] <acheronuk> :) can get that in hopefully
[14:16] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: do zesty vms count?
[14:17] <acheronuk> yep. Just want ot know it upgrades ok, and kills no kttens
[14:17] <acheronuk> +i
[14:18] <ahoneybun> I'll make a VM now
[14:19] <ahoneybun> I made a Win 10 VM to test a 13 year old game and it crashes on start lol
[14:19] <ahoneybun> Wine runes it fine
[14:19] <acheronuk> hahaha
[14:20] <mamarley> Ha, in some cases Linux is better at Windowsing than Windows!
[14:20] <ahoneybun> that's a fail
[14:43] <ahoneybun> greyback: any word on that merge?
[14:49] <greyback> ahoneybun: should be done soon, cyphermox is on it
[14:55] <clivejo> gsilvapt: kmouth looks like a KF5 port, wanna pick that up?
[14:58] <clivejo> as does ksirk
[14:59] <clivejo> someone got petrol and a angry villagers torch to fix PIM?
[14:59]  * genii makes more coffee and hides the matches
[15:00] <clivejo> matches are no good, don't want to loose my eyebrows
[15:02] <clivejo> I need something I can throw from a distance, like this http://clipart-library.com/images/di9r9r4nT.jpg
[15:03]  * clivejo pokes acheronuk any idea what kdevelop-php is complaining about?
[15:05] <genii> heh
[15:07] <ahoneybun> thanks greyback, not sure if we will skip Beta1 or not yet so just maybe feature freeze to worry about
[16:06] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[16:06] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_stable_krita build #112: FIXED in 1 hr 42 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_krita/112/
[17:08] <ahoneybun> cyphermox: idk I tried those changes and it looks worse to me, maybe make a branch with the changes if I'm applying them wrong?
[17:31] <cyphermox> ahoneybun: sure
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[18:06] <cyphermox> ahoneybun: +  <div id="screenie">
[18:06] <cyphermox> 120 +    <img src="screenshots/accessibility.png" style="width:600px; height:337px; padding-left:260px; padding-top:85px;">
[18:06] <cyphermox> 121 +  </div>
[18:06] <cyphermox> 122 +
[18:06] <cyphermox> 123 +  <div id="icon">
[18:06] <cyphermox> 124 +    <img src="icons/preferences-desktop-accessibility.png" style="padding-top:300px; padding-left:5px;">
[18:06] <cyphermox> 125 +  </div>
[18:06] <cyphermox> oops, not what I wanted
[18:06] <cyphermox> https://code.launchpad.net/+branch/~cyphermox/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/artful
[20:47] <valorie> has the ktorrent release happened?
 next week
[20:59] <valorie> oh, neon was saying it was in
[20:59] <valorie> maybe they are doing a snapshot
[21:02] <ahoneybun> cyphermox: the slide button is hidden under the icons on a few slides
[21:02] <ahoneybun> will that be fixed once the installer is used
 no package yet. just Harald saying a port is 'incoming'. which it is, but not even tagged yet
[21:03] <valorie> k
 @clivejo, I'll be back on Sunday. If it is possible to wait, I'm glad to make that happen 👍
 Also, I have a SSH machine without usage. Would it be of your interest?
 @acheronuk I'm wonder what your desktop look like
[21:49] <cyphermox> ahoneybun: nope,  it's not particularly a big issue, I'm reasonably sure the button is supposed to be a top layer actually
[21:50] <cyphermox> but hey, it's worth a test anyway
 @gsilvapt, It's done. and waiting for them to release the tars
 @ahoneybun, same as it has for ages
 (Photo, 800x500) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/dgRUFFvt/file_3054.jpg
 @gsilvapt oh, I thought you meant ktorrent! yes, kmouth needs doing :)
 looks a lot like GNOME2
 true. I have always liked small top and bottom panel, even on KDE
 trying to cram everything, including taskmanager, launchers, systram, clock, pager etc into a bottom panel or dock is just too cluttered for my taste
 *systray
 GNOME3 feel
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/Je7EIYCM/Screenshot_20170816_180321.png
 Gnome 3 😱
 yea?
 never liked it. maybe it's better now, but trying it in earier days scarred me
 I do like it
 LOL
[22:47] <valorie> part of the point of KDE software is making it do what YOU want
[22:48] <valorie> that is not the point of GNOME designers, but that doesn't mean that their defaults aren't good (sometimes)
[22:48] <clivejo> some people are like sheep and like to be told how to use their computer
[22:49] <valorie> now, now
[22:50] <acheronuk> joking aside, this is why I stuck with KDE all these years
[22:50] <valorie> one of the reasons I stuck with the software, for sure
[22:50] <valorie> I stuck around here and KDE for the community though
[22:50] <acheronuk> why is this still a thing? https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/artful/analitza4
[22:51] <acheronuk> oh
[22:51] <acheronuk>   [ Harald Sitter ]
[22:51] <acheronuk>   * Rename to analitza5 to co-exit with the kf5 version analitza6
[22:51] <acheronuk> I mean source rename to analitza4
[22:51] <valorie> ditch the old crap!
[22:51] <acheronuk> seems dead. no rdepends now
[22:51] <valorie> or ask in #kde-devel.....
[22:52] <acheronuk> debian never renamed the source, so KDE4 version doesn't even exist there any more
[22:53] <valorie> huh, sneaky
[22:54] <clivejo> those pesky kids
[22:54] <valorie> just keeping you on your toes
[22:55] <clivejo> I have Max for that
[22:56] <clivejo> acheronuk: are you pushing the big red button on krita?
[22:57]  * clivejo sees the new version in git
[22:58] <acheronuk> clivejo: going to upload to staging-misc shortly
[22:59] <clivejo> do it, do it
[22:59] <acheronuk> bug #1711240
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 @valorie, I've find GNOME to be different
 I do love how it handles the workspaces
 It's almost impossible to get in KDE
 valorie could you let my email to the -devel and -users ml go though?
[23:13] <valorie> just did it
[23:14] <valorie> why are they so huge?
[23:15] <acheronuk> I need to go though the old plasma 4 packages and get them nuked as well
[23:15] <acheronuk> plasma 4 widgets I mean
[23:15] <acheronuk> they are useless cruft now
[23:17] <acheronuk> clivejo: krita uploaded to the ppa. now appeared yet, but can take LP a little while to cope with a 200MB source
[23:17] <acheronuk> *not appeared
[23:23] <ahoneybun> valorie: what is huge?
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[23:52] <acheronuk> clivejo: PIM now needs Qt 5.8 in unstable :/
[23:52] <acheronuk> >= 5.8 that is
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[23:53] <clivejo> will it be back ported
[23:53] <clivejo> ?
[23:53] <valorie> ahoneybun: your mail was too large, which is why it was held up
[23:54] <acheronuk> clivejo: wasn't going to, as doubt we would put 5.9 into any backports.... so why test build in KCI with it
[23:54] <acheronuk> in fact, better not to
[23:54] <clivejo> just disable the XX, ZZ jobs?
[23:55] <acheronuk> yes, but every time we run the update job script, they get renabled
[23:55] <acheronuk> may have to try to work out how to stop that
[23:55] <clivejo> this is true