[02:19] <Nothing_Much> Does 13.10 exist on arm?
[02:21] <infinity> Yes.
[02:22] <Nothing_Much> I mean.. the desktop version.
[02:22] <Nothing_Much> With Unity and apps and whatnot.
[02:22] <infinity> Unity and all that are built, but you'd need a machine with 3D drivers.
[02:22] <infinity> We don't provide non-free 3D drivers for any platforms out of the box.
[02:23] <Nothing_Much> Yes, I know, but what drivers exist on a..
[02:23] <infinity> So, if you have a kernel and userspace 3D bits, yes, the desktop will install and run just fine.
[02:24] <infinity> I wish I had a better answer, but this is pretty much out of our hands.  ARM SoC vendors don't do a good job at this.
[02:24] <Nothing_Much> Hang on, I'm not sure what the Odroid-XU uses as graphics
[02:24] <Nothing_Much> There's this Mali driver or something..


[00:01] <SoulShadow> so..
[00:01] <SoulShadow> GrueMaster: seems there's no working mali drivers for linux?
[00:02] <GrueMaster> I wouldn't know.    I'll be back on line later tonight and tomorrrow.
[00:09] <dfernandes> just tried to boot 12.10 on a pandaboard, and ubiquity crashed during the install, is this known?
[00:14] <ozzloy> will ubuntu arm run on the new google chromebook?
[00:15] <dfernandes> Also, is there any equivalent of the preinstalled image for 12.10?
[00:16] <SoulShadow> ozzloy: we have no idea
[00:16] <SoulShadow> chances are not right away
[00:18] <ozzloy> SoulShadow, http://chromeos-cr48.blogspot.com/2012/04/chrubuntu-1204-now-with-double-bits.html i just looked for "chromebook ubuntu" looks like it can
[00:18] <ozzloy> sorry for asking before doing that
[00:18] <SoulShadow> you said the new one
[00:19] <SoulShadow> the new chromebook is A15 cores
[00:19] <SoulShadow> the old ones were a9
[00:19] <SoulShadow> a15 support doesn't seem to be here until 3.7 or 3.8
[00:19] <SoulShadow> and it doesn't seem to be that there's a mali t604 driver
[00:24] <ozzloy> SoulShadow, oic
[00:24] <ozzloy> i was more wondering if ubuntu would run on chromebooks in general
[00:24] <ozzloy> so linux 3.8 and later will probably be needed to run on a chromebook?
[00:25] <ozzloy> on the latest chromebook*
[00:25] <SoulShadow> on the latest chances are it will need kernel 3.7 or so
[00:25] <SoulShadow> can't quote me on that
[00:25] <ozzloy> kk
[00:25] <SoulShadow> more info will be available once the device is widely avail
[00:26] <ozzloy> i believe it's widely available right now
[00:26] <ozzloy> i plan on going to best buy and getting one for my mom
[00:26] <SoulShadow> it's prorder.
[00:26] <SoulShadow> preorder
[00:26] <SoulShadow> doesn't go on sale till next week
[00:26] <ozzloy> aw
[00:26] <ozzloy> well thanks for letting me know that
[00:26] <SoulShadow> lol
[00:27] <SoulShadow> yeah
[00:27] <ozzloy> i've wanted a chromebook for a while, and just recently decided to do it.  then i found out there was a new one out
[00:27] <ozzloy> but i guess it's not even out for reals yet
[00:52] <mjrosenb> SoulShadow: chrome os is based on a linux kernel, I can't imagine that linux *won't* run on it.
[00:57] <SoulShadow> mjrosenb guess we'll find out huh
[00:58] <SoulShadow> i mean, it'll run, yeah
[00:58] <SoulShadow> just a matter how soon they get it running
[03:03] <SoulShadow> hm
[03:03] <SoulShadow> i'm reading a lot of issues with getting ubuntu on a chrome os device
[03:08] <mjrosenb> this is with the new device, or older chrom devices?
[03:09] <SoulShadow> they're the same
[03:09] <SoulShadow> the process is the same
[03:10] <SoulShadow> they use a version of secureboot
[04:10] <[deXter]> Hey all, is there an ARM version of the minimal CD?
[04:10] <[deXter]> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[04:12] <SoulShadow> there's an ARM version of your mom
[04:33] <lilstevie> [deXter], I don't think so, ubuntu-arm install media is device specific
[04:34] <[deXter]> oh?
[04:34] <lilstevie> what arm board are you trying to install on?
[04:35] <[deXter]> Cortex A9
[04:35] <lilstevie> [deXter], arm devices cannot run a unified kernel at this stage
[04:35] <lilstevie> that isn't a board, that is a processor type
[04:35] <[deXter]> Its an Exynos chip
[04:35] <lilstevie> ok, I don't believe there are any install images for any exynos based boards, you would have to modify one yourself
[04:36] <[deXter]> hmm
[04:36] <[deXter]> Would I have to compile only the kernel or the whole distro itself?
[04:39] <lilstevie> ubuntu is a binary distribution, so you shouldn't need to compile the whole distro :)
[04:39] <lilstevie> you will however need to compile the kernel for your device
[04:39] <lilstevie> which device is it
[04:40] <lilstevie> cause you can start with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core and build your image
[04:40] <lilstevie> but you need to have a kernel
[04:42] <[deXter]> It's a Galaxy S2
[04:44] <lilstevie> ok you will probably need to make some changes to the android kernel
[04:44] <lilstevie> and it would be a good idea to set up serial
[04:47] <[deXter]> well I'm already able to boot 12.04 on top of my existing android kernel
[04:47] <[deXter]> I mean, as a chroot setup
[04:47] <[deXter]> so want to do something similar for 12.10 :)
[04:47] <[deXter]> wait
[04:47] <[deXter]> since I already have 12.04 running, would a dist-upgrade work?
[04:50] <lilstevie> dist-ugrade would work, at least in a normal situation
[04:50] <lilstevie> I am unsure if you will come across issues in chroot
[04:50] <lilstevie> cause it really isn't the same
[04:52] <[deXter]> well, there's only one way to find out :)
[04:52] <[deXter]> will backup my ubuntu image and test it out
[04:58] <lilstevie> yep
[08:00] <ping__> hy how to configure mpddroid ?
[10:47] <lilstevie> ogra_, is the nux fix for tegra in -proposed?
[10:49] <ogra_> not sure, it will likely be soon though
[10:51] <lilstevie> ok cool, just saw that there is a newer nux in -proposed and was wondering if it had the fix
[11:13] <newbie_> i have device arm926 and kernel is <IP_ADDRESS> no support compat-wireless and i want to add usb-wifi to that device what i must do whitout new kernel ?
[15:22] <sanone> I'm having some general crosscompilation questions.. anyone awake in here?
[15:38] <sanone> If I want to crosscompile on my Ubuntubox for the raspberry pi do need need to make a chroot and install the raspberry OS in there?
[19:05] <uragano2> Hello, after made a new installation of ubuntu 12.04 on my Pandaboard i am asking if i must add some PPA because here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP i read that i must not use it. thanks
[21:29] <tico> hey, is it supported to devices with armv6 :P?


[00:32] <wilbert> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22263/how-code-contributions-make-it-into-ubuntu/  << is this currently live?


[04:11] <psidrum> is there a RSS Lens for unity?
[04:19] <psidrum> anyone around?
[09:42] <bobweaver> Hello there I am going to put my tv (ubuntu tv)on display today if anyone would like to see it pm me and I will give info for teamviewer meeting place. would be nice to get some outside advice :
[13:11] <sil2100> popey: hm, I just noticed one strange thing with Alt+F2
[13:11] <popey> sil2100, oh?
[13:11] <sil2100> popey: is there some design spec I can look at regarding this?
[13:11] <popey> i expect so :)
[13:12] <sil2100> popey: since notice that when you open Alt+F2 (run program) the arrow points to an empty space in the lenses
[13:12] <popey> so it does
[13:12] <sil2100> popey: you see that? The small arrow in the bottom left
[13:12] <sil2100> popey: is it.. by design?
[13:12] <sil2100> ;)
[13:12] <popey> i expect not
[13:13] <popey> i expect it should point somewhere off screen or somewhere else
[13:13] <popey> i have seen someone else report that somewhere
[13:13]  * popey digs a bit
[13:13] <sil2100> I'm in overall confused that alt+f2 looks exactly like the dash, even though it's not a lens
[13:14] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/998752
[13:14] <popey> so known bug
[13:15] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1028862 is also amusing
[13:15] <sil2100> popey: thanks
[13:15] <popey> i had never considered dragging the trash or workspace swicher out of the launcher
[13:15] <popey> (it fails in an odd way)
[13:15] <sil2100> hah, indeed!
[13:16] <sil2100> Well, users do different things, good that there are people that try
[13:16] <popey> indeed
[13:20] <sil2100> popey: anyway, I just almost finished running through checkbox tests with the nux SRU
[13:21] <sil2100> popey: no new regressions - I had one refresh (repaint) screen problem, but it's unrelated to nux (checked with the earlier version)
[13:24] <popey> sil2100, lock your screen with CTRL+ALT+L, then wait, then wiggle the mouse
[13:24] <popey> does it work 'properly'?
[13:24] <popey> or do you see your launcher/desktop/panel exposed when you wiggle?
[13:29] <sil2100> popey: on what system?
[13:29] <sil2100> popey: on my quantal machine it works properly
[13:30] <sil2100> popey: I wiggle the mouse and just the password prompt appears
[13:32] <popey> precise
[13:32] <popey> i actually have it on my nvidia imac, and have had for ages
[13:33] <popey> but it's just started happening on my thinkpad
[13:33] <popey> i need to do more testing because I have a feeling it's not consistently happening
[13:33] <sil2100> One moment, will check
[13:33] <popey> i think it's related to me restarting unity, suspending, and adding/removing second screen
[13:33] <popey> but can't be sure.
[13:33] <popey> until i test further
[13:34] <sil2100> popey: I was trying to reproduce it on precise just by wiggling, and could not.. so maybe it's related to suspend?
[13:38] <popey> well, it's not so much the wiggle, more that coming out of screensaver, it displays the desktop, possible security issue exposing the desktop to a locked machine
[13:38] <popey> but will test more later, no worries
[14:39] <semitones> hello, are you folks aware of a problem in unity 2d where there is only one workspace?
[14:39] <semitones> these directions here don't workhttps://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/shell-workspaces-movewindow.html
[14:39] <semitones> either dragging windows, or using the shortcut
[14:40] <semitones> you can switch workspaces and open new windows there, but you can't move windows from one workspace to another
[14:41] <popey> hi semitones
[14:41]  * popey tries it
[14:41] <semitones> thanks -- maybe you can reproduce it
[14:42] <popey> semitones, so hang on, you only have one workspace?
[14:42] <semitones> i didn't describe it correctly
[14:42] <semitones> i have 4 workspaces
[14:42] <semitones> but there is no way to move windows around from one to another
[14:43] <popey> so, super+s, try and move a window from one workspace to another?
[14:43] <popey> or ctrl+alt+shift and arrows?
[14:44] <popey> ok, so tested here, yes you can move windows with  ctrl+alt+shift and arrows, but can't click and move them in super+s
[14:50] <semitones> i can't do it either way
[14:50] <semitones> so it is just a bug on my end -- but at least you know about the super-s way too now
[16:01] <mhr3> sil2100, ping?
[16:02] <mhr3> sil2100, do you any possible problems if we stopped shipping the generated c sources in libunity tarball
[16:02] <mhr3> (it should fix some issues we have with jhbuild and whatnot)
[16:03] <mhr3> do you see*
[16:08] <sil2100> hmm
[16:09] <sil2100> mhr3: I didn't know libunity was doing that too - since I remember bamf shipping generated .c files, which was really just making trouble for me
[16:10] <sil2100> mhr3: it was annoying, especially when the generated .c files were wrong and the build system didn't rebuild them on package build
[16:10] <sil2100> mhr3: so, actually, I think I would be even happy if those were simply generated on package build, not during make dist
[16:10] <sil2100> If that's what you have in mind
[16:10] <mhr3> i thought you'd be actually happy about it :)
[16:11] <sil2100> ;)
[16:11] <sil2100> Ok - see you tomorrow everyone!
[20:32] <bobweaver> Hello there How in the world to I show the Connection Information page ?  like nm-applet->Connection Information  that page. Lol I have been trying to figure this out all day
[20:32] <bobweaver> How does unity call that ?
[20:33] <bobweaver> If you look at my video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMgQpS8F6_o&feature=plcp   you will see what I am trying to do
[20:33] <bobweaver> it is the only button that I have not been able to plugin
[20:37] <bobweaver> You can also see here what I am trying to do   http://imagebin.org/222114
[20:37] <bobweaver> I will also ask on ubuntu tv but it is dead there and I think that I am one of like 4 devs and I am 3rd party aka I do not work for canonical
[20:53] <psidrum> is there a RSS Lens for Unity?
[21:55] <psidrum> is there a RSS Lens for Unity?


[00:06] <arraybolt3> bs=4M vs. leaving it off entirely has dramatic effects for me. It speeds up flashing by at least twice, probably multiple times.
[00:40] <hellsworth> i also discovered that the hdmi0 port of my rpi argon case is faulty :(
[01:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-derive-more [riscv64] (kinetic-proposed) [0.99.11-1]
[02:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-crdts [amd64] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [7.2.0+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[02:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-crdts [ppc64el] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [7.2.0+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[02:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-crdts [armhf] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [7.2.0+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[02:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-crdts [s390x] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [7.2.0+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[02:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-crdts [arm64] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [7.2.0+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[02:10] <plars> hellsworth: rpi-imager is really nice too and does an extra verification step at the end
[02:11] <bdmurray> plars: the snap?
[02:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-crdts [arm64] (kinetic-proposed) [7.2.0+dfsg-1]
[02:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-crdts [s390x] (kinetic-proposed) [7.2.0+dfsg-1]
[02:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-crdts [ppc64el] (kinetic-proposed) [7.2.0+dfsg-1]
[02:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-crdts [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [7.2.0+dfsg-1]
[02:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-crdts [armhf] (kinetic-proposed) [7.2.0+dfsg-1]
[02:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity riscv64 [Kinetic Final] has been updated (20221019.1)
[02:17] <dbungert> nice
[02:17] <plars> bdmurray: yes, works great and also allows using "custom" (downloaded) images
[02:22] <vorlon> should only be a couple more rounds of britney before all packages are in release that need to be
[03:56] <hellsworth> plars: good point
[05:22] <vorlon> ETA 2h for Ubuntu and Kubuntu image respins
[06:20] <vorlon> marking the to-be-respun images as disabled now as the respins will be starting soon
[06:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Kinetic Final] has been disabled
[06:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop arm64+raspi [Kinetic Final] has been disabled
[06:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop amd64 [Kinetic Final] has been disabled
[06:31] <seb128> hey there. I'm just starting my day, is that the respin decided yesterday evening UTC which has just been taking a while to be ready or was there another issue found?
[06:31] <sil2100> o/
[06:31] <sil2100> We're still waiting for the l-r-m packages to fully migrate
[06:32] <sil2100> It should be any minute now
[06:32] <sil2100> Problem was that the rebuild of linux-restricted-modules and its migration takes AGES
[06:32] <sil2100> So even though the work was started around yesterday afternoon, only now we get *something*
[06:38] <vorlon> part of it was affected by a 4-hour launchpad-induced delay of a 5-minute oracle-signed package build that nobody caught earlier
[06:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop arm64+raspi [Kinetic Final] has been updated (20221018.1)
[06:45] <sil2100> huh, a respin of raspi desktop?
[06:45] <sil2100> What was that about
[06:45] <sil2100> hm, no, not respin
[06:46] <sil2100> Ah, it was Steve just changing the status, ok
[06:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Xubuntu Desktop amd64 [Kinetic Final] has been marked as ready
[06:48] <vorlon> yeah, per our discussion about me being confused and thinking ubiquity being seeded on it mattered for an nvidia-only respin
[06:48] <vorlon> anyway, 'night
[06:55] <sil2100> Goodnight vorlon and thanks for all your work! ;)
[06:55] <sil2100> Okay, rmadison seems to see 5.19.0-21.21+1 now
[07:02] <sil2100> Ok, I see the packages on the cdimage mirror
[07:02] <sil2100> Kicking builds and going for coffee
[07:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Kinetic Final] has been updated (20221020)
[07:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop amd64 [Kinetic Final] has been updated (20221020)
[07:25] <sil2100> \o/
[07:27] <schopin> sil2100: apw: fwiw the "new" 515 driver did fix the issue on my setup :)
[07:27] <apw> schopin, great news.
[07:27] <sil2100> schopin: excellent
[07:27] <schopin> sil2100: I'm guessing you'd like me to test the image now? :P
[07:27] <sil2100> schopin: can you give the new images a spin anyway?
[07:28] <sil2100> I'm also downloading for a quick check on my Nvidia machine
[07:28] <sil2100> In the meantime prepublishing (...since why not)
[07:36] <sil2100> Argh, I think Graham and Brian didn't commit the publish set commands from the Beta
[07:37] <sil2100> I'll fix that in master in a moment
[07:38] <utkarsh2102> sil2100: most ISOs have the right volume labels, that is, right architecture and release.
[07:38] <utkarsh2102> most = all the ones I tested
[07:38] <sil2100> \o/
[07:38] <sil2100> utkarsh2102: thanks!
[07:39] <sil2100> Let's mark that item as done then
[07:39] <utkarsh2102> awesome!
[07:39] <utkarsh2102> something else that needs help?
[07:40] <sil2100> I think the only part that's doable now is helping with the isotesting of Ubuntu and Kubuntu, since we're really tight on time
[07:41] <utkarsh2102> fair, will do
[07:42] <sil2100> seb128: ^ can your team help with testing the desktop images as well?
[07:42] <sil2100> I'm dding the image to my usb drive for a spin on my Nvidia laptop
[07:42] <seb128> sil2100, yes, but not on nvidia since I don't have hardware
[07:47] <sil2100> Any tests would be great! Since we want to make sure there's no regressions introduced by the respin
[07:47] <seb128> right
[07:47] <sil2100> btw. images prepublished, mirrors synced, source images building
[08:08] <sil2100> Ok, the image seems okayish, saw some minor things that I didn't see before but I think those were just 'unlucky'
[08:12] <sil2100> schopin: any luck so far..?
[08:13] <sil2100> Ah, I see your test results
[08:13] <sil2100> yay
[08:14] <schopin> sil2100: I encountered a variety of gnome-related apport crashes right after filing my report though :-/
[08:15] <sil2100> seb128: ^
[08:15] <sil2100> schopin: did you check what generated those errors?
[08:15] <seb128> do you have bug or e.uc references?
[08:19] <schopin> I'm looking into it rn :)
[08:33] <seb128> schopin shared the error references, there is a shell crash which is unfortunate, it didn't seem retraced or matched to a known report yet
[08:34] <seb128> the apport crashes and probably the g-t one seem side effect of having the session going away, probably similar to bug #1842439
[08:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 1842439 in apport (Ubuntu Focal) "apport-gtk crashed with SIGSEGV in _gtk_settings_get_screen(settings=0x0) from gtk_css_value_icon_theme_compute() from gtk_css_static_style_compute_value()" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1842439
[08:34] <seb128> or said differently not a new problem nor an issue for the release
[08:35] <schopin> wrt the shell crash it might be because I switch to tty3 and then went to tty1 instead of 2. In any case, not something your typical user does.
[08:35] <schopin> and I didn't notice the crash, only the apport prompt afterwards.
[08:38] <seb128> schopin, are you using an Xorg session?
[08:38] <seb128> on wayland a shell crash should lead to the session closing and go back to gdm
[08:38] <schopin> I was on a fresh install, so on whatever the default is for Kinetic+nvidia.
[08:38] <seb128> also switching to tty shouldn't crash the shell, but that doesn't seem a release blocker. if you find out trigger steps please let us know
[08:39] <seb128> on nvidia you should get xorg yes
[08:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Core amd64 edge [Kinetic Final] (20221020) has been added
[08:48] <sil2100> philroche: hey hey! How are things from the CPC side?
[08:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Budgie Desktop amd64 [Kinetic Final] has been marked as ready
[08:50] <philroche> sil2100: \o I have not been fully tracking this time round. simpoir is release shepherd on CPC side. I believe we are currently discussing waiting for a new kernel  before release cloud image build
[08:50] <sil2100> ACK
[08:56] <sil2100> Okay, putting on the block-all in place
[09:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Unity Desktop amd64 [Kinetic Final] has been marked as ready
[09:47] <utkarsh2102> woot!
[09:48] <arraybolt3> What's in the way of Ubuntu Desktop? The missing mandatory tests? I can help with those.
[09:56] <sil2100> arraybolt3: yes please!
[09:57] <sil2100> I think seb128 has some of the desktop peeps working on those as well, but the more the better
[09:57] <arraybolt3> :) ISO just finished zsyncing.
[09:57] <sil2100> Wow, I see Kubuntu is going lightning fast
[10:02] <xnox> sil2100:  bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dkms/+bug/1991725
[10:02] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1991725 in dkms (Ubuntu) "fails to sign kernel modules" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[10:02] <xnox> looking into that
[10:15] <seb128> :-(
[10:17] <arraybolt3> xnox: Shoot. I think I just verified that bug.
[10:18] <arraybolt3> Secure Boot installation on a system with Broadcom WiFi. Choosing to install the proprietary drivers and configure Secure Boot did result in MOK showing up, but the WiFi isn't turning on.
[10:18] <arraybolt3> s/MOK/mokutil/
[10:29] <arraybolt3> I see it was already verified now, but I do see it's a problem on the final ISO. At any rate, I've now thrown in my "This affects me too" and mentioned I could manually sign my driver and get it to work.
[10:33] <sil2100> hmm
[10:34] <xnox> i don't like the proposed patch, will try to review it and upload something.
[10:35] <sil2100> Sucks that we missed this, as it was reported 15 days ago
[10:35] <sil2100> I wouldn't want to rebuild the world right now
[10:35] <sil2100> eh
[10:36] <arraybolt3> I submitted a failed test result as a result of the driver problem, on the lvm+encryption testcase. Is that correct, or should I change that to a passed test with a non-critical bug?
[10:38] <bdrung> The firefox snap in Ubuntu software has the generic icon. Is that known? Where should that be reported?
[10:41] <sil2100> xnox, arraybolt3: does this mean that all dkms drivers right now are busted on kinetic? What's the severity?
[10:42] <arraybolt3> sil2100: Well it certainly borks my Broadcom driver, that's for sure. Probably messes with NVIDIA.
[10:42] <sil2100> The bug doesn't say much about what is broken and why. The debdiff implies that the paths changed for the keys?
[10:43] <arraybolt3> sil2100: Basically, install Ubuntu on any system with Secure Boot and proprietary drivers. Your drivers won't work when you boot into the newly installed system. That's my experience so far.
[10:43] <arraybolt3> That's *what's* broken for me, from an end user perspective at least.
[10:44] <sil2100> Nvidia worked fine for me and schopin, but I don't think those are related
[10:44] <arraybolt3> sil2100: With Secure Boot?
[10:45] <arraybolt3> Ohhh, because NVIDIA isn't DKMS. My bad.
[10:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu WSL [Kinetic Final] has been updated<PHONE_NUMBER>)
[10:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop amd64 [Kinetic Final] has been marked as ready
[10:52] <sil2100> apw: I'd really not want to respin, but at least now this feels respin-worthy? ^
[10:52] <arraybolt3> Literally HOURS before release. Frustrating.
[10:52] <sil2100> Did we ever have a release with broken dkms? Assuming it's just broken *period*
[10:52] <sil2100> The fix from the linked PR looks so uh, weird
[10:53] <sil2100> As if the exit codes changed or it was broken always?
[10:53] <sil2100> Guess broken since 3.0.6?
[10:54] <apw> is the issue that it doesn't sign them or that it doesn't enrol the key in mok?
[10:54] <arraybolt3> The key is enrolled in MOK, the drivers just aren't getting signed.
[10:55] <arraybolt3> I was able to use the enrolled key to manually sign the driver and get it to work.
[10:56] <apw> sil2100, would a "fixed" dkms in updates make this tollerable?  do we have any dkms package on media?
[10:56] <sil2100> Also see here https://github.com/dell/dkms/commit/3ca52f8769bdf7ebdc83735355fff7c5c0664152
[10:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Commit 3ca52f8 in dell/dkms "Fix signing on ubuntu & debian (#244)"
[10:56] <arraybolt3> apw: It would not. WiFi driver installation done by the ISO would still fail silently.
[10:56] <arraybolt3> After all, there has to be some way to download the fixed package for it to work.
[10:56] <apw> arraybolt3, so we have dkms packages on the media; damn.
[10:57] <arraybolt3> I mean, if the fixed DKMS SRU automatically rebuilt and signed the driver, then that might work (connect to the Internet some other way and then sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade), but it's a regression still.
[10:57] <sil2100> Actually, hmm, how does this work, I don't see the broadcom driver in the pool
[10:58] <arraybolt3> sil2100: It's in there, I just looked at the .deb package a few minutes ago.
[10:58] <arraybolt3> Under restricted/b.
[10:58] <sil2100> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20221020/kinetic-desktop-amd64.list don't see it here weirdly, or am I just blind?
[10:58] <sil2100> Aaa
[10:58] <sil2100> Ok, I see it
[10:58] <arraybolt3> :) Was just about to paste the line with it
[10:58] <sil2100> I was just blind ;)
[10:59] <arraybolt3> On the bright side Firefox isn't broken with an OEM install, so that's good.
[11:04] <arraybolt3> Oh dear, it gets worse. Looks like an OEM install fails to save the Secure Boot keys that it enrolls into MOK :-/
[11:04] <arraybolt3> Bug report incoming.
[11:06] <sil2100> I think we all need to get better at scanning LP for bugs, you know, doing bug triaging - and also in testing our images more frequently! Guess the problem was the new dkms was I guess accepted after the beta?
[11:06] <sil2100> xnox, apw: ^
[11:06] <seb128> sounds like another gap in the testplans, one autocome should be to add a mandatory dkms testcase
[11:06] <sil2100> (what arraybolt3 says)
[11:06] <arraybolt3> Shoot, I can't even file a bug against oem-config.
[11:07] <sil2100> seb128: +1 on that
[11:07] <seb128> the only secureboot test we have atm is the nvidia one
[11:07] <seb128> which of course doesn't cover dkms with the current nvidia drivers...
[11:07] <arraybolt3> shim-signed isn't recognized as an official Ubuntu package?! We need to also work on ubuntu-bug.
[11:08]  * arraybolt3 gives up and just files the bug via the web UI, I can provide any log files needed after the fact
[11:09] <apw> sil2100, dkms came to us mid september, that is before the beta right?
[11:10] <seb128> yes
[11:11] <utkarsh2102> sil2100: hey, is anybody else testing kylin?
[11:14] <arraybolt3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim-signed/+bug/1993646
[11:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1993646 in shim-signed (Ubuntu) "MOK-enrolled Secure Boot keys are not saved on the installed system when doing an OEM installation" [Undecided, New]
[11:15] <utkarsh2102> weird, mounting some FS and chroot’ing in them segfaults Chrome.
[11:16] <arraybolt3> Wow, today is just brimming with weird bugs! /o\
[11:16] <utkarsh2102> I can’t find logs but at least the good thing is that Chrome isn’t a .deb
[11:16] <utkarsh2102> doesn’t happen w Firefox
[11:17] <utkarsh2102> doesn’t happen w Chrome on Debian so now the odd bits come into play
[11:17] <utkarsh2102> arraybolt3: hah, totally!
[11:17] <seb128> utkarsh2102, do you mean chromium as a snap? because chrome should be a deb no?
[11:18] <apw> arraybolt3, your oem bug there doesn't indicate that it tried to enroll a key?
[11:18] <arraybolt3> apw: Ah, I'll edit that it. It does enroll a key in MOK (I have to go through the mokutil screens), but the files just aren't there on the disk.
[11:19] <apw> arraybolt3, i assumed it must have, but the report doesn't mention it, so it might leads people in the wrong direction.
[11:19] <utkarsh2102> seb128: sorry, chrome’s unofficial deb. I just installed that from Google itself
[11:19] <seb128> utkarsh2102, ah, makes more sense, thanks
[11:20] <arraybolt3> apw: Report updated. Thanks for catching that!
[11:20] <arraybolt3> I'm doing another OEM install, same computer, same everything, but new USB drive with a fresh flash just in case it's my drive's fault (it behaved weirdly earlier).
[11:33] <sil2100> utkarsh2102: we don't release kylin for 22.10 :)
[11:34] <sil2100> apw: as for the dkms thing, hm, indeed, the sync from debian was in september
[11:35] <xnox> i will prepare dkms upload soon.
[11:35] <utkarsh2102> omg, my bad 😭
[11:35]  * sil2100 was looking at the ubuntu1 version
[11:35] <xnox> testing the build here, there are lots of regressions
[11:35] <sil2100> xnox: adt regressions? Or regressions in actually building dkms packages?
[11:36] <utkarsh2102> kubuntu
[11:36] <utkarsh2102> I’ll get Kubuntu
[11:36] <arraybolt3> wrt the bug with the Secure Boot keys not being saved, I have successfully reproduced it a second time with a newly flashed ISO.
[11:36] <sil2100> Thanks! Sadly, we'll be respinning things
[11:37] <arraybolt3> Going to do a non-OEM install and see if the files are generated again.
[11:47] <arraybolt3> With a non-OEM install, the MOK.der and MOK.priv files exist. Shoot.
[12:18] <sil2100> Ok everyone! Status update re: 22.10 - the dkms 3.0.6 version we have in kinetic is basically busted. xnox tried to cherry pick .7 fixes to get it working, but the .7 fixes seem to 'not be enough' actuall, and it's a bit of changes as well
[12:19] <sil2100> So he will attempt reverting to 3.0.3 most probably
[12:19] <utkarsh2102> :(
[12:19] <utkarsh2102> and another respin thereafter?
[12:19] <sil2100> That being said, as the only dkms driver we ship on the iso from what I see is the broadcom wifi driver, I'm starting to lean towards release noting this and... leaving it at that
[12:20] <sil2100> It's a tough call to make, which is why I want to consult other release team members, but seeing that no one reported this during Beta testing and the only bug we saw was from 5th October about this, I get the feeling that having dkms fixed as a 0-day SRU is *feasible*
[12:20] <sil2100> At least to some extent
[12:21] <seb128> sil2100, do we have any clue what % of users might have hardware that require that driver?
[12:21] <sil2100> Reverting dkms is a safe option IMO, but it would require a respin of the whole world
[12:21] <sil2100> seb128: I'm trying to figure that out. Actually, could you maybe help me out with this? Is this by any chance something we gather with ubuntu-report?
[12:22] <arraybolt3> Or maybe the handy system info sent to Canonical? (Is that waht ubuntu-report is?)
[12:22] <seb128> sil2100, we don't have it as part of the metrics afaik
[12:22] <seb128> didrocks, jibel, ^ right?
[12:23] <seb128> arraybolt3, that's ubuntu-reports yes
[12:23] <seb128> sil2100, would reverting dkms work as it is or does it need change anyway? the newer upload mention fixes for gcc-12, unsure if that would need to be applied to the previous version if we consider reverting?
[12:23] <didrocks> we don’t collect packages that are installed or not
[12:24] <didrocks> (too intrusive, biased on our default, and if we wanted that, it’s basically popcon :p)
[12:24] <arraybolt3> If it has hardware info it should report if a Broadcom card is installed, no?
[12:24] <seb128> didrocks, I think the question was rather network cards specs and/or loaded dkms drives
[12:24] <seb128> drivers
[12:25] <arraybolt3> Crud, I just did "ubuntu-report show" and it's not showing my Broadcom card, so :(
[12:25] <seb128> checking my local reports they don't have network devices details at least
[12:25] <didrocks> yeah, that was not requested IIRC
[12:26] <seb128> ack, thanks for confirming
[12:26] <seb128> sil2100, no luck there for you then
[12:26] <sil2100> seb128: oh well, thanks! ;) I'll try to dig some more
[12:26] <sil2100> Maybe error reports
[12:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dkms (kinetic-proposed/main) [3.0.6-2ubuntu1 => 3.0.6-2ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[12:42] <seb128> sil2100, just as a side note on what you said a bit earlier, lack of report doesn't always correlate with impacting a low number of users. Our testing is skewed toward intel hardware and devices that don't required non free drivers because that's what most of us pick. That's the same issue than we have with nvidia where we almost always find the issue in the release week...
[12:43] <xnox> sil2100:  seb128: dkms upload that i did test of no key available; key generated and enrolled as part of dkms module installation; and if existing key is enrolled, one can sign with it; and load the module. the full cycle.
[12:43] <sil2100> seb128: sure, I agree
[12:44] <xnox> it is upstream cherrypicks + one-liner to unbreak the wrong assumptions they made.
[12:44] <sil2100> brrr
[12:44] <xnox> it is in the unapproved queue now.
[12:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dkms [source] (kinetic-proposed) [3.0.6-2ubuntu2]
[13:50] <jchittum> scrolling back, little lost on current. is the plan for dkms to be a 0-day or a respin?
[14:05] <ogra> pretty likely a re-spin given there are network card drivers you might need at install time
[14:08] <xnox> jchittum: as dkms is not shipped on cloud images, do you care? =)
[14:09] <jchittum> i care more for a timing reason :)
[14:09] <utkarsh2102> jchittum: it’s still being decided but I think we’re leaning towards 0-day SRU.
[14:09] <utkarsh2102> Hah
[14:09] <utkarsh2102> jchittum: do you?
[14:12] <Eickmeyer> I'd think this should be a respin. For instance, you're on a laptop with a Broadcom chipset and the only way you can get connected is via WiFi, no wired connection available. You need that driver, and a dkms failure is a bad thing. 0-day SRU isn't going to cut it in that scenario.
[14:12] <sil2100> Okay, I think we might just go
[14:12] <sil2100> Just GO
[14:13] <sil2100> Eickmeyer: we are aware of that
[14:14] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: Well, you know I'm a stickler for UX and public perception. :)
[14:14] <arraybolt3> If we 0-day SRU it, we should test to make sure that upgrading the system makes the driver start working immediately. Otherwise...
[14:14] <arraybolt3> (I'll be happy to test, btw)
[14:15] <sil2100> arraybolt3: yep, we have a plan!
[14:18] <sil2100> Eickmeyer: yeah, so eh, sometimes tough calls need to be made. I discussed it with other release team members, and the number of affected users is (from the overview we have) low, and this is an interim release. We already ship with ZFS+encryption disabled, so our images anyway aren't super crisp, but we can't keep respinning into eternity
[14:20] <sil2100> A respin would require a lot of time from both us and the community, as we'd have to respin quite a few images. We just have to make this decision based on the proportion of how much time will be needed per the impact this has on our users
[14:21] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: I understand that. However, as stated earlier, I think the estimate of Broadcom chipsets is remarkably low and we're bound to see some severe community backlash from this. The #ubuntu support channel is likely to light-up like a Christmas tree (for lack of a better analogy). I think this will be more time-consuming in the long run, tbh.
[14:23] <xnox> ....
[14:24] <vorlon> if they're so widely used, why did no one catch the issue until the last hour
[14:24] <xnox> those that have broadcom chipset will be guided to use Jammy installer media; and upgrade to kinetic
[14:24] <xnox> to get a working system, with internet, either during installer, or post install.
[14:24] <xnox> (same situation as zfs thing)
[14:24] <Eickmeyer> xnox: Is that good for the community? Is that good PR?
[14:25] <vorlon> (to be fair, one answer is that most of our milestone testing is done in VMs.  But anyway, if people consider this an important use case that should've been respun for, the best thing to do is to help put in place automated testing, with VMs using faked-up PCI IDs, so that going forward this is caught automatically)
[14:25] <xnox> also this works correctly with secureboot off
[14:25] <vorlon> (actually if the problem is dkms can't sign modules, tests for that don't even need to be image tests)
[14:25] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: To answer that, because people aren't testing until they get excited about RC's. It's weird, I know.
[14:26] <xnox> i don't know how many machines have that broadcom chip and actually ahve secureboot, cause that package is for very old broadcom chips (?!)
[14:26] <sil2100> The workaround is also just signing the modules manually, right?
[14:26] <sil2100> Non-ideal, but at least doable
[14:26] <vorlon> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/d/dkms/kinetic/amd64 maybe that shouldn't say 'pass'!
[14:26] <arraybolt3> sil2100: It can be done, true.
[14:26] <sil2100> As said, it's all about the cost->merits equation, and to me this here is not looking great
[14:27] <arraybolt3> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure bcmwl-kernel-source", followed by a tricky signing command.
[14:27] <bdmurray> arraybolt3: Could you add the exact process to the bug report?
[14:27] <arraybolt3> Not sure if that will persist across kernel updates though.
[14:27] <arraybolt3> bdmurray: In just a bit, sure.
[14:35] <arraybolt3> bdmurray: Bug report updated with full workaround instructions.
[14:35] <arraybolt3> Also, I just verified that the workaround survives a reboot. Still not sure how it will behave in the face of a kernel update though.
[14:36] <bittin> 22.10 building going on?
[14:37] <Eickmeyer> bittin: Patience, please.
[14:37] <bittin> Eickmeyer: sorry
[14:37] <bittin> was just curious
[14:37] <ogra> (and patience in all the other channels you posted this too 🙂 )
[14:37] <bittin> sure
[15:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: chatty (kinetic-proposed/primary) [0.7.0~rc0-1~build1]
[15:07] <seb128> ^ do we still accept new sources at this point?
[15:15] <arraybolt3> Hey I should be testing that dkms in -proposed, huh?
[15:18] <bdmurray> Eickmeyer: One thing to keep in mind is that it is not just all systems with broadcom chipsets but broadcom and secure boot.
[15:18] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: Agreed, which would be people dual-booting with Windows, a very wide use-case.
[15:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Kinetic Final] has been marked as ready
[15:21] <sil2100> \o/
[15:21] <sil2100> Please mark all the images as ready!
[15:21] <luna> o/
[15:21] <sil2100> I am starting the release process, one final look at the isotracker
[15:21] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Only Win11 requires Secure Boot, right?
[15:21] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: And win 10.
[15:21] <arraybolt3> Thought it would work without it but OK.
[15:21] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Win 11 requires TPM 2.0.
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[15:23] <Eickmeyer> I'm telling you all, this is going to be a support nightmare and a PR blunder for these users. Meeting a deadling !> quality.
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[15:24] <Eickmeyer> *deadline
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[15:24] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: We'll survive. I only have one laptop that uses Broadcom. Also, Google says Secure Boot *can* be disabled on Windows 10. I know that it probably can't on Windows 11, but it might not be that awful.
[15:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server riscv64+unmatched [Kinetic Final] has been marked as ready
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[15:24] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: You're not who I'm addressing.
[15:25] <ogra> sil2100, what do you mean ? https://ubuntu.com/blog/canonical-releases-ubuntu-22-10-kinetic-kudu ... seems you can go home, someone has released it already :P (i can not really believe that we nw start sabotaging us ourselves during release day)
[15:26] <luna> ogra: :p
[15:26] <luna> yeah saw that linked on Phoronix
[15:26] <ogra> yeah, sigh
[15:26] <Eickmeyer> The Web team really needs to get on the same page.
[15:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop arm64+raspi [Kinetic Final] has been marked as ready
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[15:26] <sil2100> Well, press releases are always timed, and apparently that can't be changed
[15:26] <ogra> this is insane
[15:26] <sil2100> Yeah
[15:28] <sil2100> Eickmeyer: we'll deal with things as they go, we have options in case people will be really really bothered by this. But we'll see how things will look naturally - sometimes we have to do tough calls, and this was one of it, sadly!
[15:29] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: That's reactivism as opposed to proactivism. We, as a community and as developers, need to do better.
[15:30] <arraybolt3> Agreed. That's why we're hopefully going to be fixing the testcases.
[15:31] <arraybolt3> This shouldn't have happened, but it's done now. Lubuntu lived with BTRFS being problematic, we'll live with Broadcom being problematic. On the bright side, for Lubuntu and Studio, all that's necessary is apt update and apt upgrade before installing the drivers. And I'm sure we can streamline the process for the Ubiquity-based flavors with some bash-fu.
[15:32] <arraybolt3> (This is me trying to be encouraging and think of solutions, if I'm just being annoying tell me to shut up and I will.)
[15:34] <bdmurray> arraybolt3: being encouraging and thinking of solutions is helpful
[15:35] <arraybolt3> Alright! Installing the new DKMS and reinstalling bcmwl-kernel-source resulted in WiFi turning on!
[15:35] <ogra> crazy !
[15:37] <tumbleweed> given bcmwl-kernel-source isn't on the images, presumably that's good enough
[15:38] <arraybolt3> tumbleweed: bcmwl-kernel-source is on the images.
[15:39] <sil2100> tumbleweed: it's on the pool
[15:39] <tumbleweed> aah, restricted, right
[15:39] <sil2100> s/on/in/?
[15:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop amd64 [Kinetic Final] has been marked as ready
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[16:12] <arraybolt3> OK, I'm going to go recover now. I've not had any sleep yet in the flurry of testing and debugging yesterday and today. Thanks everyone, and see you soon!
[16:12] <hellsworth> cheers arraybolt3 !
[16:13] <arraybolt3> :)
[16:15] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: As usual, thanks for everything!
[16:16] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Thank you! (I'm not going to bed, just getting some coffee and food and maybe a slice of cake. First releace cycle survival celebration!)
[16:17] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: You really should sleep, friend! :D
[16:21] <tsimonq2> sil2100: I see you in flavors but you can't see me :) yes to confirm we're good for 22.10
[16:33] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Eh, $PERSONAL_LIFE has other ideas. That's what dark roast coffee is good for.
[16:45] <tumbleweed> FWIW: collected some distro-info-data dates for L, just need a name now: https://salsa.debian.org/debian/distro-info-data/-/commit/e52bd46647e625f7ccbf4c89000000cefba37c82
[16:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Commit e52bd46 in debian/distro-info-data "Add dates for Ubuntu L series (NO NAME YET) (LP: #1993667)"
[16:46] <sil2100> Okay everyone, images are published, mirrors will be syncing - will take a while though, so uh, it's still not 'officially released'
[16:47] <sil2100> This can take 1-2 hours from now
[17:01] <hellsworth> sil2100: we just marked the ubuntu desktop as ready. i think you maybe already knew that since chatting with seb128 in ubuntu-desktop. still wanted to point it out in case it was needed :)
[17:05] <sil2100> \o/ Yeah, I marked it myself already after the message seb128 sent o/
[17:06] <hellsworth> cool cool :)
[17:08]  * fnordahl fires up the torrents
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[18:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted chatty [s390x] (kinetic-proposed) [0.7.0~rc0-1~build1]
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[18:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted inky [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [1.4.0-0ubuntu1]
[18:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted chatty [ppc64el] (kinetic-proposed) [0.7.0~rc0-1~build1]
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[18:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted chatty [riscv64] (kinetic-proposed) [0.7.0~rc0-1~build1]
[19:04] <luna> Ubuntu 22.10 is now listed on ubuntu.com
[19:29] <sil2100> Yes!
[19:29] <Eickmeyer> All done?
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> Nice!
[19:30] <ricotz> \o/
[19:30] <sil2100> ...it was a tough release
[19:30] <sil2100> Thank you everyone for all your hard work!
[19:30] <tumbleweed> thanks for doing the hard wark :)
[19:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: 27 entries have been added, updated or disabled
[19:42] <fheimes1378> \o/   congrats !
[19:42] <arraybolt3> Hey where would I suggest a name for the new 23.04 release? Me and my best friend are thinking "Limpid Llama". Limpid meaning essentially "clear, unclouded, easily understandable". Like we want every release of Ubuntu to be.
[19:48] <cjwatson> arraybolt3: Mark decides the name and I've never heard of him taking suggestions on it in any meaningful way :)
[19:49] <sarnold> besides 'limpid limpet' is right there!
[19:49] <arraybolt3> cjwatson: Ah well. His Wiki page said "we'll consider them" or something like that, but oh well.
[19:49] <arraybolt3> He picks good names anyway.
[19:50] <cjwatson> well, his wiki page does link to a list you can edit
[19:50] <cjwatson> but I have no idea whether he actually looks at those.  in practice we wait a bit and maybe prod him a few times and eventually a name falls out
[19:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-unsigned (kinetic-proposed/main) [2.06-2ubuntu12 => 2.06-2ubuntu13] (core, i386-whitelist)
[19:52] <vorlon> sometimes the suggestions function as anti-suggestions.  It varies!
[19:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-signed (kinetic-proposed/main) [1.185 => 1.186] (core)
[19:53] <cjwatson> sometimes people make terrible suggestions as jokes and then he threatens to follow them
[19:53] <cjwatson> though to be fair I don't think I've heard of that actually happening since breezy
[19:53] <cjwatson> (Scott suggested "Bendy Badger" as a joke and for a while it was looking like that might actually be the name)
[19:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-signed (kinetic-proposed/main) [1.185 => 1.186] (core)
[19:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected grub2-signed [source] (kinetic-proposed) [1.186]
[20:14] <simpoir> Wasn't "jackalope" meant as a joke?
[20:20] <cjwatson> I don't remember any more, 2008 was a long time ago
[20:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mysql-8.0 [source] (focal-proposed) [8.0.30-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> 2008 was right when I started playing around with it while trying to come up with a cheap videoconferencing solution for my boss.
[20:33] <RikMills> as long as the adjective is shortish, and unlikely for me to misspell in changelogs, I will be happy withy whatever LL happens to be ;)
[20:33] <vorlon> linear lickitung
[20:33] <tsimonq2> (As in, wait until you say the word to publish release notes and update download links? :) )
[20:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> Simon Quigley: Bridge is being slow, he said that 4 hours ago. Release is out.
[20:34] <tsimonq2> Niceee. Thanks.
[20:38] <tsimonq2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames or am I old? :P
[20:39] <sarnold> lol
[20:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Bridge is in snail mode, just FYI. You're seeing something I wrote minutes ago.
[20:40] <arraybolt3> sarnold: Heh. We wrote that almost 15 minutes ago I'd reckon.
[20:41] <tsimonq2> Okay, I think I'll give it a few hours. :P
[20:41] <sarnold> arraybolt3: oh I didn't realize tsimonq2 was stuck on the slow side of the bridge, too :( a dude in #rhel was an *hour* behind things
[20:41] <arraybolt3> Yeah, all of Matrix has gone into race to the starting line apparently mode.
[20:42] <sarnold> that's the nicest description of where they're racing to I've read in a while :)
[21:41] <sergiodj> hello ubuntu-archive, Debian has removed ppc64el from the list of supported architectures for luajit2.  could you please make sure this change is also reflected in Ubuntu?  the package is currently blocked on -proposed because of that.  thanks
[21:42] <vorlon> uh I did a whole bunch of luajit-related removals on ppc64el weeks ago
[21:43] <vorlon> so what grew back or what did I miss?
[21:43] <sergiodj> the package has been there for 36 days, so I think you may have missed it
[21:44] <vorlon> sergiodj: also no it's not currently blocked in -proposed because of that it's blocked in -proposed because we've released and the kinetic release pocket is frozen, so I can't actually fix this for you today :)
[21:45] <vorlon> you have to wait until licentious lizard is open
[21:45] <sergiodj> sure, I understand that there's the freeze going on, but the lack of a ppc64el binary is listed as one of the reasons for the blockage
[21:46] <sergiodj> I'm not expecting the package to migrate today or anything like that, btw.
[21:46] <vorlon> yes - but it is simply impossible for the archive team to take any action here today
[21:46] <vorlon> so the above ping is likely going to get lost
[21:46] <sergiodj> no problem.  as I said earlier in the week, I understand that you may not be able to act right away
[21:47] <sergiodj> I will also write about the package in my email report
[21:48] <sarnold> (why not bug?)
[21:48] <sergiodj> I can do that too, I suppose
[21:49] <sergiodj> I usually don't associate "requests to ubuntu-archive" with "bug against the package".  not sure why
[21:50] <sergiodj> anyway, let me file it
[21:51] <sarnold> i'm more curious for me, I like learning :) but it's nice and durable, anyway
[21:51] <jbicha> sergiodj: you can subscribe ubuntu-archive to the bug
[21:52] <sergiodj> jbicha: yep
[21:53] <sarnold> btw, https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release is not yet updated; someone in #ubuntu wants to upgrade immediately and is surprised it's not available yet ;)
[21:54] <sarnold> is that on the todo list?
[21:56] <vorlon> it is in the release checklist yes and assigned to bdmurray
[21:57] <bdmurray> sarnold: are you sure its not up to date?
[21:57] <sarnold> hah looks like bdmurray beat me by seconds :)
[21:57] <vorlon> in fact it's in progress
[21:57] <bdmurray> ;-)
[21:57] <sarnold> 21:52:38 vs 21:53:59
[21:57] <sarnold> an entire minute! :D
[21:57] <bdmurray> s/in progress/done/
[22:03] <bdmurray> sarnold: you can see our todo list here https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/ubuntu-release-tools/+git/templates/tree/jira-milestones/devel-release/final-release.yaml
[22:08] <bdmurray> sarnold: Also people wanting to upgrade will need to set Prompt=normal vs Prompt=lts
[23:13] <sarnold> bdmurray: ooo, nice, thanks


[09:16] <valla> Hi, Im trying to add a 'label' to a ipv6 address.. does anyone know if this is supposed to work?


[06:11] <mwhudson> lool: yay
[13:15] <mup> Bug #1624675 opened: Please add network-namespace interface <snapd-interface> <Snappy:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1624675>
[13:24] <mup> Bug #1624676 opened: ERROR cannot remove snap file "kicad-dev-snap", will retry in 3 mins: umount: /snap/kicad-dev-snap/x6: mountpoint not found <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1624676>
[19:12] <SamYaple> im having a bit of trouble with getting something to work without the 'copy' plugin. What is the expected way to rearrage files when building? For example, I have one file in the wrong place, it installs to /etc/config.conf but i need ot move it to /etc/config/config.conf
[19:13] <SamYaple> i did this with the copy plugin by doing ../../../parts/<blah> but I can't do that with the dump plugin. so im just wondering the best way to handle this


[02:46] <cpaelzer> athos: it worked well on the rebuild, so something is flaky but for now no more an issue
[02:47] <cpaelzer> athos: I'll rerun this locally in a loop, to see if this is 1/10 or 1/1000
[02:47] <sarnold> morning cpaelzer :)
[09:06] <cpaelzer> athos: the mdevctl arm build issue is gone as I reported here some stats from brute retrying
[09:06] <cpaelzer> athos: 2/56 runs failed
[09:06] <cpaelzer> athos: the breaking test was not always the same
[09:06] <cpaelzer> athos: I think for now I'll not spend more time on this, but it puts things into context what to chase and what not


[22:59] <_michael> nosrednaekim: Thank you very much :)
[22:59] <DaSkreech> speart: MSN ?
[23:00] <speart> yeah
[23:00] <blendtux> ehm, it depends in wich  application you are
[23:00] <DaSkreech> speart, chuso: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3041
[23:00] <blendtux> but to be honest, i always use the mouse to select text
[23:00] <r0y4l> now i get Fatal server error: no virtual format found
[23:00] <Vermux> blendtux: there is no unified methode for that?
[23:00] <chuso> DaSkreech: thanks a lot :)
[23:00] <blendtux> i am not sure, maybe somebody else know's
[23:00] <Vermux> blendtux: lets say for example in Konversation
[23:00] <DaSkreech> Vermux: No many programs are older than KDE and KDE is 11 years odl
[23:01] <blendtux> you can move the curser with your keyboard
[23:01] <speart> thx DaSkreech
[23:01] <ubuntu> DaSkreech:  where can i get the same alternating color pattern for my chat window background as the nick list has on the right?
[23:02] <tazgodx> is compiz installed with gutsy kubuntu by default?
[23:02] <nicolai_> Is /home/user/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml supposed to be owned by root or have I found a bug?
[23:02] <Vermux> DaSkreech: what does your last comment related to?
[23:02] <nicolai_> Everytime i close dolphin it gives an error because of this
[23:03] <ubuntu> DaSkreech:  where can i get the same alternating color pattern for my chat window background as the nick list has on the right?
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> nicolai_: did you just transfer your home DIR from another instal?
[23:03] <DaSkreech> !compiz | tazgodx
[23:03] <Vermux> DaSkreech: how do Iselect a text without using the mouse?
[23:03] <ubotu> tazgodx: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[23:03] <blendtux> but Vermux, learn your way first with the mouse and your keyboard, learn how to work with linux in kde and on the terminal and then configure your system
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> tazgodx: in short, no
[23:04] <tazgodx> thanks
[23:04] <blendtux> but start with the basic, Vermux
[23:04] <ubuntu> !compiz | Leopard
[23:04] <nosrednaekim> ah...an updated factoid
[23:04] <ubotu> Leopard: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[23:04] <tazgodx> but it is installed with ubuntu isn't it?
[23:04] <Vermux> blendtux: agree, but isnt the basic is to know all the shortcuts to make it easy?
[23:04] <DaSkreech> Vermux: there being a standard to do things
[23:04] <droach> do you guys think it would be better to get the sun certified system administrator or the rhce
[23:04] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: that can't be done right now
[23:04] <nicolai_> nosrednaekim: completely fresh install
[23:04] <DaSkreech> nicolai_: not that I know of
[23:05] <Vermux> DaSkreech: u r saying that there is no standard to select text?
[23:05] <blendtux> there  are a lot of shortcuts, Vermux, and every program has it own shortcuts aswell
[23:05] <Omarian> DaSkreech: the machine is set retrieve ip via dhcp
[23:05] <DaSkreech> tazgodx: to some extent
[23:05] <blendtux> but if you want to know what shortcuts kde has already configured you can look in
[23:06] <Vermux> blendtux: ok. do u know how to select text with the keybord in Konverwation?
[23:06] <DaSkreech> droach: are you going to work with sun machines or redhat machines ?
[23:06] <DaSkreech> Omarian: What's the IP address of the DHCP server ?
[23:06] <Omarian> <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:07] <nosrednaekim> nicolai_: odd open a root doplin session (kdesudo d3lphin) right click on the .kde folder (you have to enable hidden files) and rightclick and select properites-> permissions
[23:07] <DaSkreech> Omarian: fascinating address :)
[23:07] <blendtux> Vermux: kcontrol ---> regional & Accessibillity ---> Keyboard Shortcuts
[23:07] <Omarian> DaSkreech: how so?
[23:08] <DaSkreech> Omarian: breaks a lot of rules but fine so be it
[23:09] <Vermux> blendtux: u meant system settings keyboard and mouse settings?
[23:09] <nicolai_> nosrednaekim: so all folders and files in .kde should be user-owned?
[23:09] <blendtux> take a look Vermux
[23:09] <DaSkreech> nicolai_: Yeah pretty much
[23:09] <nosrednaekim> nicolai_: yeah.... and user writeable
[23:09] <blendtux> you want to learn, learn by exploration
[23:09] <DaSkreech> blendtux: And break stuff!
[23:09] <Omarian> DaSkreech: what rules does it specifically break?
[23:09] <Omarian> DaSkreech: just curious
[23:09] <Vermux> blendtux: but there is no kcontrol
[23:09] <blendtux> do this
[23:09] <DaSkreech> 10.10 is private
[23:10] <blendtux> alt + F2
[23:10] <blendtux> and then type in kcontrol
[23:10] <DaSkreech> a 10.220 is a public address that can be given out to someone so this could cause conflicts
[23:10] <Omarian> DaSkreech: the other 2 machines i have can connect fine though
[23:10] <Omarian> no issues at all
[23:11] <blendtux> alt + F2 <---- shortcut for the run command :) Vermux
[23:11] <Angelus> why isn't GUtSy DVD out? WHYYYY?
[23:11] <DaSkreech> Omarian: I'm not saying there are. just that in theory there could be in future
[23:11] <TimS> !adeptfix
[23:11] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[23:11] <DaSkreech> But as it is such fine lets try fix it
[23:11] <nicolai_> nosrednaekim: heh, now the bookmarks-tab in dolphin disappeared, but the error still pops up
[23:11] <Vermux> blendtux: I knew that already
[23:11] <blendtux> :) nice
[23:11] <Omarian> DaSkreech: ok...:-) i will try migrating to a different ip in the future
[23:11] <DaSkreech> Angelus: any of the DVD isoswill do fine they all have all the desktops on them
[23:12] <blendtux> and is kcontrol opening already Vermux
[23:12] <nosrednaekim> nicolai_: lol.... are you still in that root session?
[23:12] <DaSkreech> Vermux: Alt+space
[23:12] <giovani> Hello, I'm in the middle of a kubuntu upgrade to gutsy (via the update_manager), and during installation I have an error "Could not install 'debconf'" the note says "subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped" -- how should I proceed from here?
[23:12] <nicolai_> nosrednaekim: nahh.. exited after I changed the permissions
[23:12] <DaSkreech> Omarian: can you give the machine a static ip address and see if it can ping the <IP_ADDRESS> machine
[23:13] <nicolai_> nosrednaekim: They didn't last apparently :)
[23:13] <SteamMachine> I want to set up a small partition that will (for the time being) remain independant from the rest of my installation.
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> nicolai_: odd.... erase your whole d3lphin config DIR
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> nicolai_: "rm -rf ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin"
[23:13] <SteamMachine> ie, I wanna move the contents of /home onto it, then move them back later.
[23:13] <Vermux> blendtux: I managed to get to that menue through system settings
[23:13] <nicolai_> nosrednaekim: 2 sec. I'll try changing it through console first.
[23:14] <blendtux> systemsettings is kubuntu specifc
[23:14] <Vermux> arent system settings and Kcontrol the same?
[23:14] <blendtux> and it will come in kde4 though
[23:14] <blendtux> no
[23:15] <letalis> SteamMachine: you can just copy all the contents of the home folder to another location then mount the new drive over the /home directory.
[23:15] <Artimus> Brilliant, they killed Kopete.
[23:15] <Omarian> DaSkreech: i am trying to do that and is telling me that gateway is invalid
[23:15] <DaSkreech> SteamMachine: No need to move it back later
[23:15] <Omarian> DaSkreech: let me see if i can fix that
[23:15] <DaSkreech> Omarian: do you know what your gateway is?
[23:15] <Vermux> blendtux: what dou mean kubuntu specific. I c that they have the same icons
[23:16] <Omarian> DaSkreech: i do. i will put the ip down
[23:16] <DaSkreech> Artimus: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3041
[23:16] <DaSkreech> Omarian: can you pastebin the output of route for me ?
[23:16] <blendtux> there are some tools wich are made by the distrubution, like system settings if you use for example another distrubution like archlinux, you wont find system settings
[23:16]  * DaSkreech hands genii a pot of coffee
[23:17] <SteamMachine> letalis: DaS
[23:17] <Vermux> blendtux: ok, I c that Kcontrol is more comprehensive
[23:17] <blendtux> system settings is not part (not yet) of kde Vermux
[23:17] <SteamMachine> letalis: DaSkreech, how?
[23:17] <nicolai_> nosrednaekim: yep that worked. Now i just have to hope that " sudo chmod -R 773 '/home/user' " didn't bring new bugs :)
[23:17] <letalis> make a folder called backup or whatever you want to call it
[23:17] <genii> DaSkreech: Thanks muchly :) <uses the pot for a mug>
[23:17] <letalis> just so that you remember it
[23:17] <Artimus> DaSkreech: Yeah, I've seen that.  Just kind of sad that a last minute "fix" ends up breaking stuff.
[23:17] <nosrednaekim> nicolai_: heh
[23:17] <letalis> it cannot be in /home however
[23:18] <nosrednaekim> !helpersnack | DaSkreech
[23:18] <ubotu> DaSkreech: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[23:18] <SteamMachine> Okay...
[23:18] <Vermux> blendtux: but Kcontrol has more options. is it like the control panel in Win?
[23:18] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: you too it was getting hard in here by meself
[23:18] <blendtux> oke guys i am going to watch the movie 300, goodluck Vermux,
[23:18] <letalis> i would recomend it be in the root directory
[23:18] <letalis> ./backup
[23:18] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: haha... yeah... I bet... this is the WORST time to be doing support
[23:18] <blendtux> its the kde control panel,
[23:19] <Vermux> blendtux: thanks, enjoy
[23:19] <nicolai_> I'm suprised that no password promt comes up when I use kdesu. I like it, but it also makes me feel paranoid. =)
[23:19] <blendtux> goodluck Vermux, stick around, and remember every first step was difficult
[23:19] <DaSkreech> nicolai_: It has a memory like sudo now
[23:19] <letalis> anyway copy the entire contents of /home to /backup as root
[23:19] <riew> how do i get an alternating color background as in the nicklist for the chat window in Konversation?
[23:19] <blendtux> remember you learned how to walk, :)
[23:19] <Vermux> blendtux: I will. thanks for the advice
[23:19] <Azzco> nicolai_: Sonn it'll have inteligence and take over the world ;)
[23:20] <letalis> then mount the new drive as /home
[23:20] <DaSkreech> riew: you dont
[23:20] <Azzco> I can't spell today...
[23:20] <Pasar> hi.. kubuntu 7.10 just hangs up on my computer :( i verified md5 hashes and did try safe mode. it does boot up even with some xWindow but then it gets out to text mode again and hangs up
[23:20] <DaSkreech> Azzco: And worse .. all the passwords
[23:20] <Vermux> blendtux: I learned how to walk 3 times in my life
[23:20] <DaSkreech> Pasar: hard hang?
[23:20] <Omarian> DaSkreech: no matter what ip address i put in gateway, it says ip is invalid
[23:20] <blendtux> wow, why Vermux
[23:21] <letalis> and you can move everything back to where it was, you might have to reset user/group permissions with chown and chgrp afterwards though
[23:21] <wikipedia> pretending ppl are stupid
[23:21] <nicolai_> arggh. Now the bug is back, and the bookmarks tab is still missing.
[23:21] <Vermux> blendtux: so I have the ability to learn this too. cast, and knee operations
[23:21] <wikipedia> no matter even if you have phd
[23:21] <DaSkreech> Omarian: pastebin the output of route
[23:21] <wikipedia> if you can't be yourself
[23:21] <wikipedia> stupid
[23:21] <Pasar> DaSkreech: well, it just doesnt continue to do anything it says something about some directory that doesnt exist. and stops at local dot something. i can "regularly" shutdown the system by the power button but that's it
[23:21] <DaSkreech> letalis: cp -a
[23:22] <DaSkreech> Pasar: no shell ?
[23:22] <blendtux> yes :) you can Vermux, its not that hard
[23:22] <tazgodx> i think i have a huge problem, i did a version upgrade last night and lost power at some time. now it tells me i have packages to update, but won't update them. :(
[23:22] <Vermux> blendtux: u c, it is like studies. if u dont implement what u r studying u will forget it. if u r not walking for long time u forget to walk
[23:22] <Pasar> DaSkreech: maybe i could type sth but there's no prompt or anything
[23:22] <DaSkreech> Pasar: do you know about virtual terminals ?
[23:22] <Vermux> blendtux: talk later
[23:23] <Pasar> DaSkreech: no
[23:23] <DaSkreech> tazgodx: Why won't it update ?
[23:23] <SteamMachine> Hm. I'm going to try this. if it doesn't work, I suppose it's not the end of the world.
[23:23] <DaSkreech> Pasar: are you in Linux now ?
[23:23] <elvirolo> hi everyone
[23:23] <Pasar> DaSkreech: no, XP
[23:23] <DaSkreech> Pasar: ok well in Linux you can press alt+ctrl+F1 to get a terminal
[23:23] <elvirolo> does anyone know which servers are up-to-date (in order for me to upgrade to gutsy) ?
[23:23] <DaSkreech> Pasar: alt+ctrl+f7 will get you back to GUI
[23:24] <tazgodx> first when i open adept_manager, i get an error right away, "could not find mime type application/octet-stream"
[23:24] <Pasar> DaSkreech: will that do any good? i didnt even get the splash screen showing how my system loads
[23:24] <tazgodx> then i click full upgrade, apply changes, and i get an error, "There was an error commiting changes"
[23:25] <Pasar> DaSkreech: just a very brief moment of a blank green desktop and mouse cursor
[23:25] <Omarian> DaSkreech: route results http://pastebin.com/mda97ab7
[23:25] <DaSkreech> Pasar: can't kill to try "_"
[23:25] <tazgodx> i just did it for the 5th time, and it looks like its going again....thats weird
[23:25] <DaSkreech> Omarian: your default gateway is blank
[23:26] <DaSkreech> Omarian: try sudo route add default gw <ipaddress>
[23:26] <Pasar> DaSkreech: true.. but do u really think the system will stop loading just cuz i switch to X??
[23:26] <Omarian> DaSkreech: I know. it will not accept it via gui. keeps saying it is invalid even though i know it is not
[23:26] <Pasar> DaSkreech: resume, not stop
[23:26] <wikipedia> plz join #########################linux
[23:26] <DaSkreech> Pasar: no switch From X so you can figure out what's wrong
[23:26] <wikipedia> plz join #########################linux
[23:27] <DaSkreech> wikipedia: do you have a support question ?
[23:27] <wikipedia> yes
[23:27] <Pasar> DaSkreech: well, i am not in X when the system hangs, im on the console
[23:27] <wikipedia> what is kubuntu?
[23:27] <Omarian> DaSkreech: I am getting message: SIOCADDRT: File exists. Should I look in /etc/hosts?
[23:27] <DaSkreech> !kubuntu
[23:27] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[23:28] <moofoo> ok i finally started the upgrade but i get "2007-10-19 00:26:19,965 ERROR pre-requists item 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/release-upgrader-dpkg/release-upgrader-dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu11.2_i386.udeb' is NOT trusted" in main.log, how comes?
[23:28] <nicolai_> hmm.. my dolphin issues just got an easy fix: back to konqueror. I guess I'm too tired to battle my laptop this late.
[23:28] <ubuntu> im installing with a fresh install and it's stuck a 82% because it's "scanning the mirror"
[23:28] <DaSkreech> Omarian: strange
[23:28] <ubuntu> any ideas?
[23:28] <ubuntu> is the url down?
[23:28] <Omarian> DaSkreech: isn't it?
[23:28] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Servers are being hammered
[23:28] <ubuntu> DaSkreech great :S
[23:28] <DaSkreech> Omarian: whats the gateway address?
[23:29] <Pasar> DaSkreech: i know ubuntu sucks for my graphics card, but apart from that i got feisty running fine. so why would kubuntu 7.10 not run???
[23:29] <Omarian> DaSkreech: i think it is not accepting any input. I am thinking of reinstalling
[23:29] <DaSkreech> Pasar: I don't know you would need to check the logs
[23:29] <DaSkreech> Omarian: can you ping <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[23:29] <Pasar> DaSkreech: okay, i will try again and take notes of it :) thanx so far!
[23:29] <DaSkreech> Pasar: ok
[23:30] <Azzco> I've got a weird version of adept... how do I get the default one so that I can upgrade with it?
[23:31] <blendtux> nicolai_: what kind of dolphin problem do you have
[23:31] <Angelus> DaSkreech:
[23:31] <Angelus> i found a screen shot of you on the web :O http://blog.nixternal.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/yakuake.png
[23:31] <DaSkreech> Azzco: apt-get install it ?
[23:32] <Azzco> I allready have adept installed, but not the one with veriosn-update and tabs for what should be installed...
[23:32] <Omarian> DaSkreech: i cannot ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:32] <DaSkreech> Omarian: What ip address did you give the network card ?
[23:33] <Omarian> <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:33] <DaSkreech> Angelus: Isn't Yakuake pretty?
[23:33] <Angelus> ?
[23:33] <Omarian> DaSkreech::that's part of the dhcp subnet
[23:33] <Angelus> who's yakuake DaSkreech? :O
[23:33] <DaSkreech> Azzco: what do you see when you go to adept -> manage repos ?
[23:33] <DaSkreech> Angelus: The application in the picture
[23:33] <Azzco> Just a list, no tabs at all
[23:34] <DaSkreech> Omarian: what's then subnet address ?
[23:34] <Angelus> DaSkreech: aint that a terminal?
[23:34] <DaSkreech> Azzco: install software-properties-kde
[23:34] <purpleposeidon> Rumor has it that gusty gibbon is out...
[23:34] <DaSkreech> Angelus: Yes named yakuake
[23:34] <Omarian> DaSkreech: <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:34] <Azzco> Thanks DaSkreech
[23:34] <DaSkreech> purpleposeidon: You have talking to the topic haven't you??
[23:35] <DaSkreech> Omarian: strange indeed
[23:35] <Minataku> Heya, Dr_Willis :D
[23:35] <harald> hmm anybody know where kmail keeps its settings? I've copied over the old kmail folder but it doesn't show my imap account :-/
[23:35] <DaSkreech>  can it ping the other machines?
[23:35] <Omarian> DaSkreech: i will try that right now
[23:35] <purpleposeidon> I'd rather just keep everyhing where it is (-3 now), live and let live, if it aint broke don't fix it,
[23:35] <all00> Anyone know how to perform an upgrade from CD?
[23:35] <riew> DaSkreech:  iĺl prove you wrong look at this screenshot alternating color in the chatwindow:
[23:35] <DaSkreech> harald: in your ~/.kde folder
[23:35] <nicolai_> blendtux: The bookmarks tab is empty and everytime I close the program it gives an error about not being able to write to bookmarks.xml
[23:35] <DaSkreech> purpleposeidon: hear hear!
[23:36] <DaSkreech> all00: Same as before but have the CD in your sources
[23:36] <purpleposeidon> DaSkreech: So which version are you using? :)
[23:36] <harald> DaSkreech:  yes I copied .kde/share/apps/kmail  but it doesn't get my imap settings, do you think kmail saves those somewhere else? :-/
[23:36] <nicolai_> blendtux: For some reason the file keeps changing permissions to root
[23:36] <DaSkreech> purpleposeidon: Gutsy
[23:36] <all00> DaSkreech: I've never done it before :( I'm sorry
[23:36] <benbread> Hey, i've just got compiz-fusion working on kubuntu gutsy (may i say really easy to install compared to fiesty!) does anyone know of the best way to have it start up with kde - i asked the guys at #kde but nobody is around who knew how anyone have any ideas?
[23:37] <DaSkreech> harald: i don't think so but it's what kmail thinks isn't it?
[23:37] <all00> DaSkreech: tried the upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10 -- got left with a partial install. I have now downloaded and burned both the LiveCD and the AlternateCD -- not sure how to perform a full upgrade (I get nervous around the partition configuration). Any ideas?
[23:37] <harald> ok thx
[23:37] <DaSkreech> !autostart | benbread
[23:37] <blendtux> strange, so you already changed back the permissions, and there is no root proces writing to that directory nicolai_
[23:37] <DaSkreech> all00: No its from inside KDE
[23:37] <DaSkreech> all00: no need to boot up from CD
[23:38] <blendtux> do a lsof on that file nicolai_
[23:38] <all00> DaSkreech: the Package Updater will not run -- it got shafted when I tried that method earlier today
[23:38] <blendtux> and see who is using that file nicolai_
[23:38] <picnic> ciao
[23:39] <bwayne> benbread: copy the fusion-icon icon to your desktop.  then mv the icon to .kde/Autostart/
[23:39] <blendtux> my god, there are 1475 people in the ubuntu channel
[23:39] <benbread> bwayne: i don't think i have that - i'm invoking compiz using 'compiz --replace'
[23:39] <DaSkreech> all00: shafted?
[23:40] <nicolai_> blendtux: just lsof '/home/user/etc.' ?
[23:40] <all00> DaSkreech: FUBARed ;) screwed up :D
[23:40] <DaSkreech> all00: It can't run?
[23:40] <blendtux> the file wich dolphin says it cannot wirte to
[23:40] <all00> DaSkreech: Correct -- it runs but nothing is clickable
[23:40] <Pasar> DaSkreech: when the system hangs, i can get a console with alt/ctrl/f1, but not get back to X with alt/ctrl/f7
[23:40] <DaSkreech> use the keyboard?
[23:41] <DaSkreech> Pasar: What are the X errors?
[23:41] <Pasar> DaSkreech: the system stops at "Running local boot scripts (/etc/sc.local)   [OK]"
[23:41] <DaSkreech> Pasar: grep EE /var/log/X.log.0
[23:42] <Pasar> DaSkreech: there are no errors if i press alt+ctrl+f7, just no reaction
[23:42] <nicolai_> blendtux: lsof comes up empty. But it hasn't changed back to being annoying since I last changed permissions.
[23:42] <Pasar> DaSkreech: somewhere up the screen i get "etc/default/locale: No such file or directory"
[23:42] <flake> i'm still skeered to hit the upgrade button, not that i've ever had a bad experience..  it's ominous
[23:42] <Lunar_Lamp> !kopete
[23:42] <Pasar> DaSkreech: eh, "grep: " and then that msg
[23:42] <DaSkreech> Lunar_Lamp: MSN?
[23:42] <Leopard> DaSkreech : here alternating colors in the background of Konversation: http://i21.tinypic.com/10y136s.gif
[23:43] <Leopard> you lose DaSkreech
[23:43] <Leopard> :P
[23:43] <Lunar_Lamp> DaSkreech: nope - new upgrade to gutsy and kopete is broken.  I was using it for months in gutsy testing and it worked, lol
[23:43] <Lunar_Lamp> I was wondering if it was a known bug
[23:44] <blendtux> oke nicolai_ but i have a movie to catch, 300 watching it in my bed so i am gone, ask me tommorow if your problem comes back nicolai_
[23:44] <Umm> hallo
[23:44] <Leopard> hi
[23:44] <Umm> Hallo All
[23:44] <DaSkreech> Leopard: Mail riew and ask him how he did that :-)
[23:44] <DaSkreech> Lunar_Lamp: Right do you use MSN ?
[23:44] <Leopard> i am riew hehe DaSkreech
[23:44] <harald> DaSkreech: in case anybody else asks: you also need to adapt ~/.kde/share/config  :-)
[23:44] <Lunar_Lamp> DaSkreech: yes
[23:44] <harald> file kmailrc
[23:44] <DaSkreech> Leopard: oh then you have it solved already :) No need for help from me
[23:45] <Umm> I have a problem with my Nv card can anyone help me with it
[23:45] <Leopard> i wanted to prove you wrong DaSkreech thats all
[23:45] <Leopard> :)
[23:45] <nicolai_> blendtux: thanks. Will do :)
[23:45] <Lars_G> Ok, any ideas why my adept persists on showing only the "repo list" management interfaze? and why it wont let me get and use the "version upgrade" asistant?
[23:45] <DaSkreech> Lunar_Lamp: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3041
[23:46] <DaSkreech> Umm: What problem
[23:46] <DaSkreech> harald: great :)
[23:46] <Fish-Face> Has anyone managed to work around the segfault while upgrading debconf, on the road to gutsy?
[23:46] <rnieto> spanish? please
[23:46] <harald> cool that there was a fix for the kopete msn problem that fast, oss rocks :-)
[23:46] <DaSkreech> !es
[23:47] <Lars_G> Oh well I fixed it by hand
[23:47] <harald> rnieto I think you'd be better of in #kubuntu-es  most people here speak english
[23:47] <blendtux> you fixed it by hand Lars_G, what did you do to resolve it
[23:47] <DaSkreech> Lars_G: install softwar-properties-kde
[23:48] <Umm> Well i have instalt my video card through resticted drivers en after that when i reboot my resolution is 640x480 how can i fix that
[23:48] <rnieto> harald: thanks you
[23:48] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: sigh Yeah I'll do that
[23:48] <Lars_G> DaSkreech: Dont worry anyhow adept_manager --version-upgrade worked
[23:48] <DaSkreech> !nvidia | Umm
[23:49] <Umm> Yes nv
[23:49] <Lunar_Lamp> DaSkreech: thanks for the link :-)
[23:50] <Fish-Face> OK, has anyone even encountered the debconf segfault while upgrading to gutsy?
[23:50] <hagabaka> when i try to eject the CDROM, i get a "unmounting" dialog with a progress bar that goes to about 90% and closes, and the CD drive makes a noise like it's about to come out, but it doesn't. how could i fix it?
[23:50] <DaSkreech> Fish-Face: Yes
[23:50] <Fish-Face> DaSkreech: have you solved it? :D
[23:51] <DaSkreech> Fish-Face: What package did it fail on ?
[23:51] <administrator> how can i install times new roman in openoffice?
[23:51] <neverblue2> how can I Feisty-->Gutsy from command line
[23:51] <administrator> update-manager -d
[23:51] <administrator> neverblue2: command: "update-manager -d"
[23:51] <DaSkreech> neverblue2: Follow the server upgrade instructions
[23:51] <DaSkreech> administrator: Not command line
[23:51] <Umm> how can i get ins the command line exiting x
[23:51] <Fish-Face> DaSkreech: debconf
[23:52] <neverblue2> -d?
[23:52] <neverblue2> develop?
[23:52] <administrator> yeah
[23:52] <administrator> i unno
[23:52] <DaSkreech> Fish-Face: Ah try apt-get install debconf
[23:52] <administrator> how can i install times new roman font in openoffice ?
[23:52] <DaSkreech> neverblue2: install update-mnager-core
[23:52] <DaSkreech> neverblue2: then sudo do-release-upgrade
[23:52] <frb-screen> hidey ho
[23:52] <harald>  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  is no longer recommended? :-s
[23:53] <John117> Hey there.  I had Ubuntu installed on my laptop before and the wireless networking worked great.  I just installed Kubuntu 7.10 and It's not recognizing the card.  I don't even really know how to ad it.
[23:53] <harald> john117 which card is it?
[23:53] <frb-screen> so, I got ubuntu installed, and I'm in the middle of trying to install kubuntu
[23:53] <Umm> How can i get in to the command line exiting x
[23:53] <John117> Its an Atheros card that came in this Toshiba Satellite.
[23:53] <MrBallZ> hi, i ran almost all the distribution upgrade procedure,  i had to stop before it downloaded  around 1.2GB of data ... how can i restart from that point on ...
[23:53] <Azzco> frb-screen: sduo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[23:53] <harald> CTRL+ALT+BCKSPACE
[23:53] <frb-screen> now, when I go to a console, it's all messed, how do I force the framebuffer into a usable resolution? (messed)
[23:54] <frb-screen> Azzco: it's working on it, but I'm getting crappy download speeds
[23:54] <Fish-Face> DaSkreech: k, I'll have to kill some things first
[23:54] <MrBallZ> errr ... never mind ... i got it ...
[23:54] <frb-screen> I just want a working console right now
[23:54] <DaSkreech> harald: no
[23:54] <Pasar> DaSkreech: grep tells me: "/var/log/X.log.0: No such file or dir"
[23:54] <frb-screen> messed = text area is much larger than viewable area
[23:54] <DaSkreech> Umm: Exiting X?
[23:54] <neverblue2> thanks DaSkreech
[23:54] <DaSkreech> Umm: Alt+ctrl+F1
[23:54] <John117> harald, it is an Atheros card.  Don't really know the exact model number of the card.
[23:54] <MidMark> ok guys I've updated to kubuntu 7.10
[23:54] <DaSkreech> MrBallZ: just refollow the instructions
[23:55] <MidMark> tons of new bugs! COOOOOL!
[23:55] <harald> john117 atheros cards should be supported out of the box :-/
[23:55] <administrator> anyone know?
[23:55] <neverblue2> MidMark, by what means ?
[23:55] <MidMark> first I haven't reboot and halt in my kde menu
[23:55] <MrBallZ> DaSkreech: yup, that's what i did ... but daaanngg  1.3GB ... that's too much
[23:55] <moofoo> DaSkreech: any idea what this "release-upgrader-dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu11.2_i386.udeb' is NOT trusted"  means when doing a upgrade? it looks a bit like https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/144920 but it's not clear what to do..
[23:55] <DaSkreech> MrBallZ: :-)
[23:55] <John117> harald: when i click on the network icon in the task tray, it says no device installed.   (I've made sure that the hardware button for the network card is on)
[23:55] <Omarian> DaSkreech: sorry i took so long. am doing a bunch of other stuff too. anyway, I cannot ping any other machines?
[23:55] <Umm> big thanx Daskreech i have found i site where i can reconfigure x so that my resolution will be normal but it says it works the best if i exit x
[23:56] <neverblue2> Umm, video card manufacturer?
[23:56] <MidMark> then seems all sooo slow
[23:56] <MidMark> terribly slow
[23:56] <frb-screen> so any hints on getting my console text to fit the viewable area? (it's an ATI FireGL 5200 Mobility with a 1600x1200 LCD)
[23:56] <Fish-Face> DaSkreech: yeesh, screw this upgrade manager thing, I'm using a terminal
[23:56] <DaSkreech> Omarian: what ip addresses do they have?
[23:56] <John117> harald: and of coarse, there is the ever-present ATI 3d graphics problem.  But i'll deal with that after i have internet connectivity.
[23:56] <Omarian> <IP_ADDRESS> and .3
[23:56] <grul> lol internet
[23:57] <DaSkreech> Umm: ah sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[23:57] <lee986321> this is quite the storm were having here in WA
[23:57] <Pasar> DaSkreech: any idea why there doesnt even seem to be an X logfil?
[23:57] <harald> John117 do sudo modprobe ath-pci, then verify with sudo lsmod | grep ath, that should show about 3 modules
[23:57] <frb-screen> lee986321: yes, yes it is
[23:57] <lee986321> heein the vally winds are at 45
[23:57] <Umm> oke daskreech i can go to the commandline en reconfigure my x but how to i return to my x ?
[23:57] <DaSkreech> Omarian: Can you get it ping itself?
[23:58] <Omarian> DaSkreech: yes i can
[23:58] <frb-screen> I saw a tree downed in redmond
[23:58] <lee986321> any how Genii waht was that sight for those drivers, I am on the drive that is 64 bit lol
[23:58] <John117> harald: okay, standby.
[23:58] <DaSkreech> Pasar: /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[23:58] <lee986321> oh rats I was going to rebot ..oh in the Bios there was only settings for the motherboard
[23:58] <PakoDeLeon> HI everybody...
[23:58] <Pasar> X*org* ?
[23:59] <Pasar> ouch
[23:59] <DaSkreech> Omarian: Firewall ?
[23:59] <Minataku> Note
[23:59] <PakoDeLeon> I need help with a printer... canon... can somebody help me?
[23:59] <lee986321> eh not for the video card
[23:59] <PakoDeLeon> =(
[23:59] <DaSkreech> Umm: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[23:59] <frb-screen> Printers are the product of satan!
[23:59] <PakoDeLeon> haha
[23:59] <Minataku> /var/log/Xorg.0.log is for the RUNNING instance of X11 (if one is running)
[23:59] <PakoDeLeon> I can't install my printer... is a Canon Pixma ip1300


[00:23] <cnd> Jonii_, ahh, sure
[00:24] <cnd> did you just want to use it somewhere?
[00:24] <cnd> to see that it works?
[00:24] <cnd> or did you want to code gestures into an app?
[00:24] <cnd> unity has three finger drag to move the window, for example
[00:31] <Jonii_> i'd want to see workspace switch with 4 fingers and I'd want to experiment with easy ways to select and kill and app using my touchpad
[01:53] <cnd> Jonii_, the workspace switching may be made possible with some of the work dandrader is doing
[01:53] <cnd> he is adding gesture support to Nux, which is the low-level toolkit for unity
[01:53] <cnd> it should land in 12.10
[01:54] <cnd> until then, you can try to hack up what's in Unity in 12.04 LTS
[01:54] <cnd> but it isn't straightforward, I'm afraid
[14:15] <cnd> morning all
[14:15] <cnd> I'm going to be doing more research and odds and ends
[14:16] <cnd> I'll be gone for one to two hours here shortly to get my dog to a checkup :)
[14:16] <cnd> dandrader, bregma: standups :)
[14:19] <dandrader> finishing work on unity gestures delivery. after the geis API discovery from yesterday things are finally working as they should \o/
[14:19] <dandrader> but testing direct touches with the dell studio touchscreen is a real pain
[14:19] <dandrader> that touchscreen is horrible
[14:26] <bregma> I'm having trouble getting the test in the merge proposal to pass, I have been looking in to why but I'm having a lot of interruptions so it's taking time
[16:16] <dandrader> heh, using a trackpad and touchscreen at the same time causes some indigestion in frame/grail
[16:42] <cnd> dandrader|lunch, oh?
[16:42] <cnd> what does it do?
[16:42] <cnd> they should be well separated from each other
[17:36] <dandrader> cnd,  a big stream of warnings like:
[17:36] <dandrader> GRAIL WARNING (slice.cpp:GetValues:207): failed to get touch from frame
[17:36] <dandrader> GRAIL WARNING (slice.cpp:GetValues:241): failed to get touch from frame
[17:36] <cnd> hmm...
[17:36] <cnd> could be an X bug too
[17:37] <dandrader> but might be related to the way the API is used in unity+nux, you never know
[17:37] <cnd> I doubt it
[17:39] <dandrader> but that's a rather odd situation (simultaneous use of two multitouch devices) for which there's no known use case. thus it might not be worth investigating it now
[18:03] <cnd> bregma, will you be able to review the geis fix for geis v1 and new devices soon?
[18:06] <bregma> yes, I have time now
[18:40] <bregma> cnd, review posted
[18:40] <cnd> bregma, thanks :)
[19:08] <dandrader> bregma, is that being used? https://launchpad.net/utouch-compiz
[19:09] <bregma> no, it is no longer a useful project
[20:12] <dandrader> bregma, ping
[20:30] <bregma> unh?
[20:37] <bregma> dandrader, you called?
[20:37] <dandrader> bregma, sent you an e-mail instead :)
[20:38] <bregma> kk