[00:13] <hyperair> jtaylor: hmm which bug?
[00:13] <jtaylor> 851383
[00:13] <hyperair> bug 851383
[00:14] <hyperair> hmm wasn't that the bug with the most info?
[00:14] <hyperair> it has sufficient info, doesn't it?
[00:14] <hyperair> an upstream link
[00:14] <jtaylor> another had the commit ids fixing it
[00:14] <hyperair> and the upstream link has a patch
[00:14] <hyperair> oh woops
[00:14] <jtaylor> the upstream link is insufficient
[00:14] <jtaylor> the patch there was already applied
[00:14] <jtaylor> but its not enough
[00:14] <hyperair> oh crap
[00:15] <hyperair> which bug should be the master, then?
[00:15] <jtaylor> I pasted the important info
[00:15] <jtaylor> also -desktop knows about it so doesn't matter so much anymore
[00:15] <hyperair> okay
[00:16] <jtaylor> its an ugly situation
[00:16] <hyperair> =\
[00:16] <hyperair> you could have just changed the master bug
[00:16] <hyperair> these days if you change one duplicate, the rest follow.
[00:16] <jtaylor> the debdiff between .5 and .6 are ~1500 lines in a single file, .6 and .7 another ~1000 lines
[00:16] <jtaylor> and in there somewhere are important bug fixes fore breakage in .6 ^^
[00:16] <jtaylor> nice
[00:16] <hyperair> oh yay
[00:18] <jtaylor> 851383 should probably be master
[00:20] <jtaylor> it would be nice when the affect number would include all duplicates
[00:21] <jtaylor> last time I talked to -desktop they didn't want to fix it because it had to few bugs/affects (~beta 2 I think)
[02:30] <paultag> Do I have to requestsync during DIF?
[02:30] <paultag> erm, debian-import, where we are now
[02:33] <ajmitch> not if it's unmodified in ubuntu, and the version that you want is in testing
[02:33] <paultag> ajmitch: Ah, right, because this is a LTS. Forgot about testing.
[02:33] <paultag> Thanks, just wondering why it was on such a lag :)
[02:34] <tumbleweed> we are still before DIF
[02:34] <paultag> tumbleweed: I corrected myself directly after :)
[02:34] <tumbleweed> of course if something should be rushed from unstable, file a request
[02:34] <paultag> tumbleweed: nope, no rush
[02:34] <paultag> just wondering :)
[02:37] <tumbleweed> I went to the wiki so I could throw a link at you, but it looks like someone broke the wiki
[02:37] <paultag> tumbleweed: it's no worries at all, I was just doing my rounds and got to wondering
[02:38] <paultag> alright, I'm off. Thanks, ajmitch / tumbleweed
[12:55] <highvoltage> paultag: why aren't you uds'ing this year?
[13:01] <paultag> highvoltage: nope :)
[13:01] <paultag> Oh, why
[13:02] <paultag> highvoltage: because I'm leaving, and UDS is a waste of my time, as well as spaceman's :)
[13:02] <tumbleweed> you're leaving?
[13:03] <paultag> tumbleweed: long time coming, my friend. Yeah, I've been dropping roles, and I'm dowm to my last one now
[13:03] <paultag> tumbleweed: I'm coming up here to Debian
[13:03] <paultag> but I'm done with my Ubuntu work, sadly, that part of my life is slowly coming to a close
[13:03] <tumbleweed> right, just moving around a bit then :)
[13:03] <paultag> erm, wow, thought this was the other channel
[13:03] <paultag> this is ubuntu-motu, shoot.
[13:04] <paultag> tumbleweed: yeah, I'll still be contributing, but indirectly :)
[17:31] <azeem> hrm, the Ubuntu diff for xmakemol looks weird
[17:31] <azeem> it talks about lesstif not being in main, but the package is in universe anyway
[17:32] <jtaylor> but are the gl libraries built against it?
[17:35] <jtaylor> but yes it does look weird
[17:36] <azeem> now I remember some issues in/with Ubuntu and libglw1-mesa
[17:36] <azeem> actually, I might just drop the GL version
[17:37] <azeem> people who want to look at something pretty won't use xmakemol
[17:57] <azeem> jtaylor: i guess it was because mesa did not build against lesstif2-dev cause the former is main and the latter universe
[17:57] <azeem> but now libglw1-mesa is built from mesa-glw, which is universe
[22:45] <asomething> anyone know if there is a general developer community/MOTU check-in or anything at UDS this time around? I'm not really seeing it on the schedule...
[22:46]  * ajmitch saw a MOTU session on the schedule
[22:47] <ajmitch> I just have to find it again
[22:48] <ajmitch> friday at 11, it's in the 'other' track
[22:48] <asomething> ajmitch, Thanks!


[00:17] <trippeh> chrss: if you get that bios message, disable vt-d in bios
[00:18] <trippeh> fwiw, I have such an system too, and when I had it enabled other odd stuff happened. but that was many kernels ago.
[01:43] <chrss> trippeh: ok, thanks
[01:44] <chrss> so it looks like the bug fix i'm looking for got put into kernel 3.17.4
[01:45] <chrss> but there are no 3.17.4 utopic kernels
[01:45] <chrss> pre-built anyway
[01:45] <chrss> can i use vivid?
[01:46] <chrss> vivid veret or something
[01:47] <chrss> btw, i'm looking here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[02:16] <chrss> well, i upgraded my kernel to 3.17.4
[02:17] <chrss> it fixed my wifi bug but seemed to introduce a whole new set of issues
[02:17] <chrss> slow booting, namely
[02:17] <chrss> something about usb hub errors
[02:17] <chrss> oh well, can't win i guess


 Had a problem regarding .pinerc,imap server which is still not suitably resolved. But luckily there's coffee, and beer
[02:23] <tritium> genii: I'm tired too.  I think I'll sleep early tonight.
[02:24]  * genii fluffs tritium's pillows and puts him on decaf
[02:24] <tritium> genii: thanks :)  Good night!
[02:47] <Flannel> cyclic aliases!
[02:47] <LjL> Amaranth: that was... lower than low :P
[02:47] <genii> Did someone alias nvidia-beta to ops?
[02:48] <Flannel> !-nvidia-beta
[02:48] <Flannel> !-amaranth
[02:48] <Flannel> !-amaranth-#ubuntu-offtopic
[02:48] <Amaranth> oh, hahahahahahahahahahaha
[02:48] <Amaranth> that's because !amaranth used to be how to get to my PPA
[02:53] <Amaranth> !-cookies
[02:53] <Amaranth> Hrm, thought I added that one
[02:53] <Flannel> What's wrong with cookies?
[02:53] <Flannel> !cookie
[02:53] <Flannel> !-cookie
[02:53] <genii> Nothing!
[02:53] <Flannel> Amaranth: Suppose not.  Neener neener.
[02:54]  * genii wonders if the bot will truly ever forget !amaranth
[04:02]  * genii brews a pot of coffee for the channel before /away
[04:33] <Amaranth> Flannel: Seriously messed up people
[04:34] <Flannel> Amaranth: Yeah.  We need to put up a sign "No social deviants allowed"
[04:34] <Amaranth> Flannel: There goes half the channel
[04:34] <Flannel> Amaranth: Yeah, but the channel would be 200% better!
[04:36] <Flannel> Eh, I'll even let people who are 50% deviant in there.  But once you get above that....
[05:26] <Myrtti> genii: no
[05:28] <Myrtti> anyone awake?
[05:28] <Myrtti> WARNING:
[05:28] <Myrtti><EMAIL_ADDRESS>may be evading  the ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:31] <Flannel> Myrtti: Morning.
[05:53] <Myrtti> I wonder would poking Mez help at all
[05:53]  * Myrtti pokes Mez with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™
[05:53] <Myrtti> *SQUEEEAK*
[05:56] <Myrtti> ah.hmmm
[05:56] <Myrtti> nice stress reliever
[05:56] <Myrtti> I think I'll do that again
[05:56]  * Myrtti pokes Mez with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™
[05:56] <Myrtti> *SQUEEEAK*
[05:57] <Myrtti> anyway, Mez, when you come back from your coma, could you please look at the bantracker and check the ban on netcollect.org and phantomcircuit and put it in your agenda to tell us your thoughts. Thanks.
[06:13] <Myrtti> ok, time for a shower
[06:22] <Myrtti> hehheh
[06:22] <Myrtti> Mirv just found the approval of the Finnish loco
 sabdfl: yes, hi. I came from a trip 30 minutes ago, our hamster is killing itself but otherwise I'm here
 that's the best entry to a cc meeting i've ever seen
[06:29] <Flannel> Myrtti: Where is this?
[06:29] <Flannel> or, when, rather
[06:29] <Myrtti> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2005/02/19/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt
[06:29] <Flannel> Oh, nevermind.
[06:29] <Flannel> Ah, old.
[06:30] <Myrtti> Mirv just commented that the approval was made in a way that they just mentioned in the next meeting "oh, we haven't taken that from the agenda yet"
[06:30] <Myrtti> it's not obvious in that log
[06:30] <Myrtti> that's about and around the same time that I found the channel
[06:32] <Myrtti> and started to use Ubuntu
[07:04] <Mez> @btlogin
[07:06] <Mez> Myrtti: I dont see why the ban shouldnt have been lifted, though I havent reviewed the bans from -ops
[07:13] <Myrtti> Mez: I didn't touch it since you were active at the time I started clearing up the bans and didn't want to step on your toes
[07:17] <Myrtti> good deed of today done.
[07:18] <Myrtti> http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staog
[07:18] <Myrtti> though, the category for computer viruses in general is a bit funny
[07:18] <Myrtti> http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luokka:Tietokonevirukset
[07:18] <Myrtti> :-D
[07:19] <Myrtti> 28% of the worlds computer viruses are for linux ;-)
[07:30] <Mez> Myrtti: feel free to tread on my toes at any point you want.
[07:30] <Mez> except in person
[07:30] <Mez> cause I have easily-breakable toes
[07:31] <Flannel> Myrtti: drink more milk!
[07:31] <Flannel> er, Mez
[07:31] <Mez> Flannel: it's more to do with the arthritis than any calcium deficiency
[07:32] <Flannel> Mez: Just chop them off!  then you can't break them.
[07:32] <Flannel> yep.
[07:34] <Myrtti> I hate cleaning
[08:20] <Myrtti> Flannel: your discussion makes me want to toss in http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/
[08:20] <Flannel> Myrtti: Indeed, indeed.
[08:21] <Flannel> Myrtti: Of course, the conversation has gotten to the point where Grant-A is going to try and make stupid wild claims now
[08:22] <Myrtti> lol, it's not in /usr/share/common-licenses/
[08:24] <Myrtti> BWAHAHAHA
[08:24] <Myrtti> http://freeware.sgi.com/Installable/WindowMaker-0.80.2.html
[10:46] <bazhang> uad, how may we help you
[10:53] <bazhang> uad if this is related to #ubuntu-ru , then you need to discuss in #ubuntu-irc , not here.  Please do not idle in this channel. Thanks.
[10:53] <bazhang> * groovyOrange<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-ru
[10:53] <bazhang> and some rather nasty comment in -ot
[11:11] <Tm_T> bah...
[11:11] <bazhang> ?
[11:12] <Tm_T> I just hate this world, humans especially
[11:12] <bazhang> sorry to hear that
[11:13] <bazhang> interesting
[11:13] <Tm_T> building, where is ISP X gsm- and data control center, is currently totally failing with ISP Y gsm
[11:14] <bazhang> groovyapples is native -ru speaker
[11:14] <bazhang> Tm_T, that stinks
[11:14] <Tm_T> so I cannot do my work
[11:14] <Tm_T> this building provides free wifi
[11:14] <Tm_T> ...which is totally broken
[11:14] <bazhang> argh
[11:15] <bazhang> I would flip out I reckon
[11:40] <ikonia> can someone stick a ban on grovey orange - I've had enough now
[11:41] <bazhang> I can only do so in -ru
[11:41] <ikonia> I'm asking for OT
[11:41] <bazhang> and he has done nothing there yet
[11:41] <bazhang> I know.
[11:41] <ikonia> nope, he's done enough in OT on a regular basis though
[11:41] <ikonia> why let this continue
[11:41] <bazhang> I was referring to -ru
[11:42] <ikonia> of course
[11:42] <bazhang> he admitted yesterday to some pretty foul stuff in -ot
[11:42] <ikonia> there is going to be an issue with kavity in ot too
[11:43] <bazhang> and as he is clearly a native russian speaker, its not hard to surmise that he is in fact ilya, z, patchpockets, etc
[11:43] <ikonia> look at the identif on kavity too
[11:43] <bazhang> the serverloft fellow all in one.
[11:43] <ikonia> bazhang: agreed
[12:00] <elky> who is he there as?
[12:00] <bazhang> groovy or kavity
[12:01] <elky> kavity is groovyorange?
[12:01] <bazhang> kavity is not kavita (asustek); groovy is in -ru as groovy
[12:01] <bazhang> err was
[12:02] <bazhang> just someone who wants to challenge swearing because its not in the coc explicitly
[12:02] <elky> kavity has a foul hostmask though
[12:02] <bazhang> yep
[12:02] <bazhang> remove from #ubuntu ?
[12:03] <elky> i'm just going to treat it as a proxy
[12:05] <elky> he hasn't done anything as such in #ubuntu though
[12:05] <bazhang> true
[12:09] <Pici> meh
[12:12] <Pici> I'm not sure I agree with going after someone because of a hostmask, I don't recall us doing this sort of thing in the past... much less asking in public
[12:13] <elky> Pici, it's been done plenty of times before. show.us.your.tee.tees etc for example
[12:14] <bazhang> biteme etc
[12:14] <bazhang> and real names too
[12:15] <elky> would someone other than me like to take aprilhare aside and tell him to shut the hell up?
[12:15] <Pici> Then I don't think we should be making a spectacle out of it by asking in -offtopic, thats why we ask people to join -ops
[12:15] <bazhang> good point
[12:16] <Pici> I'm also in a bad mood, so if I don't make sense, blame it on that.
[12:16] <bazhang> then april would not be an issue
[12:17] <bazhang> Pici, how is your shoulder by the way
[12:17] <Pici> bazhang: Much better, its nearly completely back to normal.
[12:17] <bazhang> Pici, awesome, glad to hear it
[12:18] <ikonia> Pici: you're never in a bad mood, please correct this
[12:18] <bazhang> ahahahaha
[12:20] <bazhang> aprilhare, not you
[12:20] <elky> i wish he would stop clinging to me like this, ugh
[12:20] <kavity> I don't really have anything I wish to discuss about it.
[12:21] <kavity> I mean, I've been in that channel and #ubuntu for the past two months without anyone complaining about it.
[12:21] <kavity> I've been engaged in many conversations in the former, and assisted many people in the later.
[12:21] <ikonia> kavity: you're recent outbursts and argument brought a hilight on it
[12:21] <bazhang> perhaps pushing on the cursing was not so bright
[12:21] <elky> we probably would not have noticed if it were not for your 'i'm not following the rules, nyah' attitude earlier
[12:21] <kavity> I said I would stop the swearing, and I was only curious as to where the rule was posted.
[12:21] <ikonia> plus you're comment that it is "c0ck" because the rooseter is your favourite bird is a bit odd
[12:22] <elky> but we have actually had it raised with us before
[12:22] <ikonia> as surly it would be "cock" then - as c0ck is the "leet" speak term for Cock meaning penis
[12:22] <bazhang> yep
[12:22] <kavity> ikonia: c0ck would be the 'leet speak' term for any definition of the word cock.
[12:22] <elky> people tend to associate your kind of host with people who are going to be rude and mean back, so they're not likely to go to you directly
[12:23] <ikonia> kavity: please, it's a most commonly used for "penis", if why would you not use "cock" if it was genuinly about a cock
[12:23] <kavity> elky: As I've said before, I've assisted many people in #ubuntu, who have messaged me thereafter for more help.
[12:23] <ikonia> kavity: helping people does not = I can do what I want
[12:23] <kavity> I didn't mean to cause a rutcis(however that word is spelled) because of the swearing thing.
[12:24] <kavity> As I said, I would stop swearing, and I didn't mean to in that channel.
[12:24] <ikonia> so if you know it's a swearing issue - why use it ?
[12:24] <ikonia> more so in a channel who has rules about swearing
[12:24] <kavity> What I was simply pointing out was the fact that ikonia had told me tor ead the coc, which I did, but did not see anything about swearing.
[12:24] <bazhang> !ohmy
[12:24] <ikonia> kavity: it says about being polite to people
[12:24] <ikonia> kavity: swearing is not polite
[12:24] <bazhang> !language
[12:24] <ikonia> "good fucking morning" is not polite - as well you know
[12:24] <bazhang> those do
[12:24] <kavity> ikonia: I don't see the point in repeating myself on this, but I did not realize what channel I was typing in.
[12:25] <ikonia> it also talks about being respectful, which you're comments does
[12:25] <ikonia> kavity: I've not mentioned you're swearing since
[12:25] <bazhang> kavity you were in only two channels
[12:25] <kavity> ikonia: I work offshore, and most of the time people say "Good f**king morning" or "how the f**k are you"?
[12:25] <ikonia> kavity: how is that polite ?
[12:25] <bazhang> kavity, you thought to do that in #ubuntu ?
[12:25] <kavity> bazhang: I'm in 8 channels spanning 4 servers.
[12:26] <elky> kavity, other people also beat people up. does that make it ok for everyone?
[12:26] <kavity> I don't want to cause a big disagreement here, really, but to force me to change my host name just seems silly.
[12:26] <bazhang> that would be quick removal most likely
[12:26] <elky> no, it doesnt, does it.
[12:26] <kavity> But especially on the freenode IRC server, where freedom is a huge deal, it seems very odd to get so much flack over this.
[12:26] <kavity> elky: No, you are correct.
[12:27] <kavity> I've already stated that I didn't mean to, and won't swear in the channel again.
[12:27] <bazhang> oho the 'in my culture it is ok' argument
[12:27] <ikonia> kavity: freedom is not a "big deal" it's free/opensource software, not a free world
[12:27] <ikonia> kavity: no-one has commented on the swearing
[12:27] <kavity> ikonia: Have you ever looked much into freenode?
[12:27] <ikonia> kavity: yup
[12:27] <bazhang> only one channel has that.
[12:28] <elky> kavity, we've been here for years.
[12:28] <elky> i've been an op for years. usually hostnames with the word 'cock' in them belong to troll gangs. you will always be treated like one of those if you keep the host
[12:28] <ikonia> kavity: please be %100 genuine here but are you actually on the host c0ck.org ?
[12:29] <kavity> ikonia: Yes. My website is hosted at kshadow.c0ck.org
[12:29] <ikonia> kavity: ok
[12:29]  * mneptok blinks
[12:29] <kavity> elky: I don't care if people aren't going to treat me well because of my host.
[12:29] <kavity> I'm not a troll, nor do I mean to be.
[12:29] <kavity> I'm simply here because I enjoy ubuntu, and I enjoy helping the people in the open source community.
[12:29] <ikonia> kavity: it may help you in future to consider getting a freenode cloak
[12:30] <ikonia> kavity: if you've been here for 2 months and plan to stick around, it may help for future
[12:30] <mneptok> kavity: get a cloak .... what ikonia said
[12:30] <elky> ikonia, he's actually only in my logs for 1 month. since the 7th of feb
[12:30] <ikonia> elky: a cloak would still help him
[12:30] <ikonia> kavity: just a suggestion
[12:31] <mneptok> kavity: if you are as experienced and savvy as you claim, i'm wondering why you'd IRC from such host with such a puerile name.
[12:31] <elky> ikonia, yep, i'd be satisfied with a cloak. people can stop pointing it out then
[12:31] <ikonia> exactly
[12:31] <kavity> elky: Check your logs of #ubuntu.
[12:31] <ikonia> kavity: stop arguing
[12:31] <ikonia> kavity: the time doesn't matter
[12:31] <elky> kavity, i have.
[12:31] <bazhang> !cloak
[12:31] <kavity> mneptok: As I've said, I work offshore, so it's much easier to connect to a shell account from the ship as we move around a lot.
[12:32] <kavity> That way I don't miss anytime anyone asks me questions, plus it saves on bandwidth on the boat.
[12:32] <ikonia> kavity: you can still get a cloak
[12:32] <mneptok> kavity: there are many hosts that provide shell access
[12:32] <kavity> ikonia: Sorry.
[12:32] <ikonia> kavity: a host has nothing to do with a cloak
[12:32] <mneptok> kavity: you chose "c0ck" and now you have to live with the consequences.
[12:32] <ikonia> kavity: eg: my cloak follows me what ever host I'm on, like you I sometimes have limited access
[12:32] <elky> kavity, join #freenode and ask nicely for a cloak
[12:32] <ikonia> kavity: take 5 minutes to get one
[12:32] <bazhang> less
[12:32] <elky> bazhang, depends on staff saturation
[12:33] <kavity> How about I just leave the channel, and you won't have to deal with me anymore :/
[12:33] <bazhang> g ary is there now
[12:33] <kavity> Would that satisfy?
[12:33] <elky> kavity, that's not what we want. what we want is a polite entrance from you.
[12:33] <elky> ugh, aprilhare in pm....
[12:34] <elky> GET IT OFF!
[12:34] <mneptok> kavity: it would satisfy the rules. would *you* be satisfied?
[12:34] <ikonia> kavity: no reason to leave the channel for a 5 minute ammount of effort
[12:34] <ikonia> kavity: plus it will help you out in general in other channels
[12:34] <kavity> elky: I understand that, and as much as I appreciate the fact that you're giving me the option rather then just banning me, I'm not going to limit my freedom. As much as that may sound stupid to some of you.
[12:34] <ikonia> kavity: I'll help you with the steps and you can get a staff member to cloak you if you want
[12:35] <kavity> Alright alright.
[12:35] <kavity> I'll get the cloak.
[12:35] <ikonia> kavity: great,
[12:35] <kavity> But I won't be ahppy about it! :P
[12:35] <mneptok> kavity: you have freedom. you can use whatever hostmask you want. our freedom allows us to ban you. freedom has a price.
[12:35] <elky> kavity, the cloak will make you freer. you wont have to deal with being restricted from places because of your host
[12:36] <ikonia> kavity: do you know what to do, or do you need a hand ?
[12:36] <ikonia> or "want" a hand I should say
[12:36] <kavity> elky: This is the first time it's ever been brought up to me in the several years I've used it.
[12:36] <kavity> ikonia: I'l check the faq posted above.
[12:36] <elky> Gary, can we borrow you a moment?
[12:36] <Gary> erm, I am at work
[12:36] <ikonia> kavity: no problem
[12:37] <elky> Gary, you looked active in #f, carry on then
[12:37] <Gary> I am, but still at work :p
[12:37] <Gary> whats up
[12:37] <mneptok> elky: that's what he means by "work" :P
[12:37] <bazhang> haha
[12:38] <elky> Gary, kavity might ask for a cloak to cover up his rude hostmask sometime soon
[12:38] <kavity> It's not rude! :<
[12:38] <Gary> mneptok: hehe, no, I am also at paid work too, but trying to avoid doing any
[12:38] <kavity> But yes, I need a cloak please.
[12:38] <Gary> kavity: Take a look at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup to see how to setup 'the freenode way' :)
[12:38] <bazhang> lart gary
[12:38] <kavity> Gary: Reading now, thanks.
[12:39] <Gary> kavity: if you can look at that link, follow all steps, and I'll be able to cloak you then
[12:39] <Gary> bazhang: :'(
[12:39] <kavity> Name registered.
[12:40] <Gary> kavity: don't forget all the other steps too
[12:40] <ikonia> please forward aprilhare in here from OT
[12:40] <bazhang> Gary, sowwy :(
[12:40] <elky> ikonia, he's also in PM with me debating whether he acts like an adult or not
[12:40] <ikonia> I know - I asked him to stop pm'ing people
[12:40] <elky> apparantly I make him act silly just by existing
[12:40] <ikonia> now he's being a jerk in channel
[12:41] <kavity> Gary: Some aren't required I assume, like hiding my email, or registering a secondary nickname?
[12:41] <elky> which i read as a very lame attempt at a pickup line
[12:41] <ikonia> aprilhare: If you couuld just hold on for a moment please
[12:41] <ikonia> aprilhare: just finishing kavity's query
[12:41] <Gary> kavity: all are required for a cloak
[12:41] <kavity> Gary: Ah, roger that.
[12:43] <kavity> Alright, as far as I can tell everything's ready.
[12:44] <mneptok> same old host.
[12:44] <mneptok> you need to ID for your nick.
[12:44] <mneptok>  /msg NickServ id $PASSWORD
[12:44] <kavity> I need to get a cloak set up first as far as I know.
[12:44] <mneptok> oh.
[12:45] <mneptok> *facepalm*
[12:45] <kavity> I'm already identified.
[12:45]  * jussi01 larts mneptok
[12:45] <jussi01> :P
[12:45] <mneptok> i'll STFU and go back to coffee
[12:45] <Myrtti> ooh, coffee
[12:45] <mneptok> maybe my Bic lighter and i could be helpful at the origami fest ...
[12:46] <elky> i think gary hasn't hit the button yet
[12:46] <jussi01> ok, so kavity is mostly sorted, shall we help aprilhare now?
[12:47] <Gary> kavity: sorted
[12:47] <ikonia> aprilhare: you still there ?
[12:47] <kavity> So do I have to reconnect to have it done?
[12:47] <aprilhare> yes
[12:47] <ikonia> aprilhare: thanks for hanging on
[12:47] <jussi01> kavity: you are sorted
[12:48] <elky> kavity, you shouldnt need to. thanks for working with us to solve the issue :)
[12:48] <kavity> Yeah, thanks.
[12:48] <kavity> No problem.
[12:48] <kavity> And your welcome ;)
[12:48] <ikonia> aprilhare: I made a quick request to you to stop sending private messages to people, I was trying to be polite by not mentioning it in the channel, so what's the issue ?
[12:48] <jussi01> kavity: if theres nothing else, we will see you later :)
[12:49] <kavity> In other words... 'get out' :P
[12:49] <bazhang> nice
[12:49] <elky> that's much nicer
[12:49] <bazhang> and nicely handled elky ikonia
[12:49] <aprilhare> ikonia: i'm not pm'ing the universe. i don't like being confronted. the only pm was to elky as some sort of apology for offending her. no intervention required. no people, no plural
[12:50] <elky> i think the credit lies with kavity for not being a moron about it
[12:50] <Myrtti> I love !morons
[12:50] <bazhang> taht too
[12:50] <ikonia> aprilhare: confronted ? a polite private message is not confrontation, hence why I didn't send you a message in the channel, as I didn't want to make an issue out of it
[12:50] <bazhang> and of course GARY !!!1!
[12:50] <Myrtti> our pink supermeister!
[12:51] <aprilhare> ikonia: i wanted a room full of people who might think otherwise to know they weren't going to be pm deluged by me
[12:51] <Gary> oh dear god, whose been reading the blog?
[12:51] <elky> aprilhare, you are increasingly clingy around me, and it makes me feel uncomfortable. especially when you PM me to say i 'bring out a silly streak'. that sounds terribly like a bad pickup line
[12:51] <ikonia> aprilhare: no-one mentioned a pm in the channel
[12:51] <ikonia> aprilhare: so why did you feel the need to announce this to the world ?#
[12:51] <elky> Gary, *ALL* of us
[12:51] <aprilhare> elky: you've got kids. i'm not picking up anyone
[12:51] <ikonia> aprilhare: I send you a private message so you didn't HAVE to mention it to the channel
[12:52] <aprilhare> ikonia: well i guess unless i ignored the pm i have to mention it in channel don't i? its either that or let it fester
[12:52] <aprilhare> and i'm not one for festering
[12:52] <ikonia> aprilhare: why did you have to mention it to the channe l?
[12:52] <elky> why did he have to PM me blaming me for his behaviour?
[12:53] <Myrtti> elky: congratulations on your motherhood
[12:53] <elky> he doesn't know how to behave. that's why
[12:53] <aprilhare> elky: i wasn't blaming you. otherwise i wouldn't be apologising
[12:53] <ikonia> aprilhare: you could have responded to me directly, there was no need to make an issue in the channel, which is exactly what I was trying to avoid
[12:53] <elky> Myrtti, stop sending chills down my spine
[12:53] <aprilhare> ikonia: unless you tell me to stop pm'ing people that is :)
[12:53]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[12:53] <bazhang> aprilhare, there is a significant amount of stalking in that channel.
[12:53] <ikonia> aprilhare: if you want to be stupid about it - then fine
[12:53] <aprilhare> its sorta the chicken in the egg situation
[12:54] <bazhang> aprilhare, thus tensions are high.
[12:54] <ikonia> aprilhare: no, thats you being petty
[12:54] <aprilhare> you tell me not to pm but wexpect it to be solved via pm
[12:54] <elky> aprilhare, your message was 'sorry, but you made me do it' in tone.
[12:54] <aprilhare> elky: i'm bad with tone
[12:54] <aprilhare> common failing.
[12:54] <bazhang> then dont pm
[12:55] <bazhang> learn to see when advances are unwelcome.
[12:56] <aprilhare> i have no idea where is is going. I'm waiting for the 'or you'll be banned' to drop
[12:56] <ikonia> there isn't one
[12:56] <ikonia> aprilhare: no-one is threatening to ban you
[12:57] <ikonia> I asked you in here to ask you to stop behaving silly/petty
[12:57] <bazhang> respect people's space
[12:59] <ikonia> aprilhare: I tried to drop you a polite informal note/request, you've made a big deal out of it, so now that's been cleared up, please return to what ever IRC chat you where doing
[12:59] <aprilhare> ikonia: and say what?
[13:00] <aprilhare> it needs to be vetted clearly
[13:00] <ikonia> what ever you want
[13:00] <aprilhare> and i don't like vetting
[13:00] <ikonia> aprilhare: ok - you want to continue to be silly about it fine
[13:00] <elky> he *really* gets under my skin
[13:01] <ikonia> stupid behaviour
[13:01] <bazhang> time to clean up that channel
[13:01] <bazhang> once and for all.
[13:01]  * ikonia returns to work
[13:01] <bazhang> ban on asus and groovy for starters
[13:01] <elky> bazhang, tread carefully. very carefully
[13:02] <bazhang> elky, groovy has made some really horrid comments the last two days about stalking, and how he did so to very young females (braggingly)
[13:02] <ikonia> making requests to "lick ass" and the like
[13:02] <bazhang> he is ban-evading.
[13:03] <ikonia> 0:41  * groovyOrange invites himself to lick *her* as5
[13:03] <bazhang> *her* ass
[13:03] <elky> he's still using the serverloft host?
[13:03] <bazhang> hynix admitted to doing the exact same
[13:04] <elky> hynix has driven several people out of the channel with pure creepy
[13:04] <bazhang> they are way outside the coc
[13:05] <bazhang> its not visible from where they are.
[13:18] <jussi01> ikonia: lovely guy there...
[13:18] <ikonia> jussi01: sorry - scripting is faster than the eye
[13:18] <ikonia> jussi01: another moron
[13:18] <jussi01> ikonia: I have it aliased also, just with waits as quassel devs are still working on proper scripting
[13:19] <ikonia> ah
[13:21] <Myrtti> aprilhare: can we help you?
[13:22] <aprilhare> i have reconsidered matters: it might be easier for a period of time that I restrict myself to #ubuntu and answering whatever questions come my way. it appears my wayward attempts of being a humorful irc chatter are going awry and it's pretty hard to go wrong there.
[13:22] <aprilhare> sorry if i caused any ops any trouble.
[13:22] <bazhang> sounds wise.
[13:22] <bazhang> thanks for your considerate attitude
[13:23] <aprilhare> hey thats what i'll be here for :)
[13:23] <aprilhare> is there anything else?
[13:25] <aprilhare> i guess not. night
[13:29] <Gary> oops
[13:29]  * gnomefreak is confused. I thought "is there  anythning else" our question to ask
[13:30] <bazhang> yeah, like we should all part
[13:37] <Gary> I nearly did
[14:37] <Seeker> Hi, just testing a mobile irc client
[14:37] <ikonia> pass
[14:38] <Seeker> Seems to be working
[14:39] <ikonia> so it would seem
[14:41] <Seeker> although my phone can't do the right ' :(
[14:50] <jussi01> *g* [16:45:24] <#ubuntu-ops-monitor:FloodBot1> -WARNING: ljl-temp!ljl@ubuntu/member/ljl may be evading the ban on ljl-temp!n=ljl@ubuntu/member/ljl
[14:52] <LjL> yeah, always does that since lately...
[14:52] <LjL> i'm not sure what it's thinking
[14:53] <LjL> i've excluded it from my wills anyway
[14:53] <LjL> it won't get a single penny
[15:31] <Pici> bleh
[17:17] <LjL> [18:16:39] <NavadeHo> how long is the ban?
[17:17] <LjL> [18:16:59] <LjL> ask #ubuntu-ops
[17:17] <NavadeHo> How long is the ban?
[17:17] <NavadeHo> :S
[17:17] <LjL> NavadeHo: i don't know
[17:17] <LjL> i propose a week for every CTCP PING you did to the bot?
[17:18] <NavadeHo> T_T"
[17:18] <NavadeHo> wtf?
[17:18] <LjL> NavadeHo: just tell me, why should i unban someone who clearly shows no restraint in DoS abuse of channel users?
[17:19] <LjL> i should protect channel users - and for that matter, bots
[17:19] <NavadeHo> I CTCP'd the floodbot that many times because I was getting no response.
[17:20] <LjL> ah, sure, i see
[17:20] <LjL> makes sense
[17:20] <LjL> or not
[17:20] <NavadeHo> :|
[17:20] <LjL> why did you keep doing it after i told you to stop - and kicked to make the point clearer?
[17:21] <NavadeHo> I CTCP'd u.
[17:21] <LjL> yes, you ctcp'd me
[17:21] <LjL> then i banned you
[17:21] <LjL> then you resumed ctcping the bot
[17:21] <NavadeHo> So? It that evidence that I would do it again?
[17:21] <NavadeHo> * Is
[17:21] <LjL> i'd say so
[17:22] <NavadeHo> Why am I not doing it right now then?
[17:22] <LjL> you CTCP'd the bot a total of 159 times
[17:22] <LjL> i don't know, i'm not in your head
[17:22] <NavadeHo> lol <_<
[17:22] <NavadeHo> Have mercy :)
[17:23] <LjL> i did
[17:23] <LjL> i gave you a chance to stop it
[17:23] <LjL> you resumed doing it
[17:23] <NavadeHo> hmm?
[17:23] <NavadeHo> did you unban me :O
[17:23] <NavadeHo> ?
[17:24] <LjL> no. i told you to stop it.
[17:24] <LjL> as a result, you ctcp'd it more times.
[17:25] <mneptok> interesting strategy.
[17:25] <NavadeHo> So, you're going to let me kept banned for 159 weeks? <_<"
[17:26] <LjL> make it a round 100, ok?
[17:27] <NavadeHo> =_="
[17:27] <LjL> other questions?
[17:27] <NavadeHo> ur serious?
[17:27] <LjL> mhm
[17:29] <mneptok> why ruin that second anniversary?
[17:29] <NavadeHo> X_X"
[17:29]  * mneptok is a romantic
[17:29] <LjL> mneptok: good point i guess, 104 then?
[17:30] <mneptok> now that's a man's man. ladies, i step aside.
[17:30] <NavadeHo> HEY, when I say I will not do it again, I MEAN IT.
[17:31] <LjL> NavadeHo: so, anything else you want to ask us?
[17:31] <mneptok> brb. feelings awaking in soft parts of my psyche.
[17:31] <LjL> my VERSION or TIME perhaps?
[17:31] <LjL> NavadeHo: i suppose you may mean it, but i have no reason to believe that, while i have reasons to believe the contrary
[17:32] <NavadeHo> you may perm ban me from all Ubuntu channels and whatsoever where ur op when I do it again.
[17:34] <LjL> NavadeHo: come back here in a month, your ban will be reviewed then
[17:34] <NavadeHo> -_-
[17:36] <LjL> now unless you have other questions relevant to this channel, please part
[17:36] <NavadeHo> ?
[17:37] <LjL> which part wasn't too clear?
[17:37] <NavadeHo> why should I part?
[17:37] <LjL>  /topic
[17:37] <NavadeHo> you have the right? ..
[17:38] <NavadeHo> well, whatever
[17:38] <LjL> @mark #Ubuntu-ops navadeho
[18:09] <EQP[AwNg> what the HELL is going on with my connection
[18:09]  * EQP[AwNg hopes navadeho didn't manage to move from CTCP to something more serious
[18:18] <Seeker`_> jussi01_: ping
[18:18] <Seeker`_> or "anyone that has something to do with jussi01.com" ping
[18:19] <PcYpVWD\> ok my connection is entirely unreliable, i'm killing my bots
[18:19] <jussi01> Seeker`_: pm
[19:02] <Pici> Two more people just told me that asustek sent them friend requests on facebook... and they rarely ever join -offtopic.
[19:14] <Pici> make that 3
[19:14] <LjL> Pici: well is that something we should be acting upon?
[19:15] <Pici> LjL: I'm not sure, I'm just putting it out there.
[19:16] <nalioth> when you join a public gathering, you run the risk of idiots
[19:16] <nalioth> why should we act on it?
[19:17] <nalioth> we didn't make anyone join facebook or join our channels
[19:17] <Pricey> asustek has sent me various invites from various places. people don't have to accept
[19:18] <LjL> it's akin to spamming my mail address just because i posted something on a newsgroup, though
[19:18] <LjL> and i don't have to read my mail either
[19:21] <Pricey> Could always ask him to stop?/
[19:21] <LjL> i suppose that might be a reasonable compromise.
[20:19] <LjL> can i have auto-op in -read-topic please?
[20:20] <LjL> it's both annoying when i need to change nicks, and i'd sometimes like to see just what people are saying instead of "test me"
[20:39] <Seeker`> LjL: you dont get ops by asking for it!
[20:41] <LjL> but i have ops!
[20:41] <LjL> i just want the auto part :(
[20:42] <Seeker`> awwww
[20:42] <Seeker`> poor LjL
[21:12] <topyli> okay have fun, i won't look at -ot for a while
[21:14] <Seeker`> what would happen to me if i told people in -offtopic to join #20,000?
[21:15] <LjL> Seeker`: i have just slammed my fingers inside my eeepc to avoid doing that
[21:15] <Seeker`> heh
[21:17] <Seeker`> i wonder how many would try it
[21:39] <ikonia> evening all
[21:40] <LjL> hi
[21:40] <ikonia> hey LjL
[21:40] <ikonia> how's it going ?
[21:41] <LjL> If you desire to hear the courtesy version, press 1. If you instead want the real thing, press #.
[21:41] <ikonia> #
[21:41] <LjL> crap!
[21:41] <ikonia> not what I wanted to hear from you, why so bad ?
[21:42] <LjL> nothing really, just feeling depressed like more and more often
[21:43]  * jussi01 huggles LjL
[21:43] <ikonia> not good
[21:43] <LjL> and then jussi makes it worse
[21:43] <ikonia> that's his specialty
[21:46]  * mneptok waves his boobies around
[21:46] <Seeker`> :/
[21:46] <Seeker`> moobs!
[21:48] <Seeker`> jussi01: o/
[21:49]  * jussi01 slinks off into the corner....
[21:49] <jussi01> dont like making things worse
[21:50] <Seeker`> :O
[21:50] <ikonia> jussi01: you don't, don't worry
[21:54] <nalioth> mneptok: when did you become an abusive ornithologist?
[22:09] <mneptok> nalioth: blue feet arouse me
[22:10] <LjL> best exploit string EVER, by the way.
[22:11] <ikonia> what was it ?
[22:11] <LjL> ikonia: UPDATEYOURROUTERSIFYOUDONTLIKEBEINGKICKED
[22:12] <jdong> lol I guess that's a public service announcement :)
[22:12] <jdong> (or denial thereof)
[22:13] <LjL> yeah he could have used ctcp though
[22:13] <LjL> he only got one out
[22:20] <Seeker`> i wonder how many new users there are in #u every day
[22:20] <LjL> Seeker`: i used to have statistics on that
[22:21] <Seeker`> LjL: how many were there?
[22:22] <LjL> Seeker`: i don't really remember... let me see if grepping the -ops logs comes up with anything (certainly easier than finding out how that SQL database worked)
[22:35] <LjL> Seeker`: uhm, for now i can tell you about ~500 distinct nicknames used to speak every day
[22:36] <Seeker`> how long ago was that?
[22:38] <LjL> Seeker`: early 2008
[22:38] <LjL> Seeker`: although the stats go back to 2004
[22:38] <Seeker`> so probably not too dissimilar to now
[22:39] <LjL> Seeker`: i'm trying to find out how many distinct nicks there have been in total, but my sql is failing me
[22:39] <Seeker`> your sql-fu or your sql?
[22:39] <LjL> my sql-fu i suppose
[22:40] <LjL> i'm about to just pipe the output of "SELECT distinct Nick FROM Messages" into "wc -l" :P
[22:40] <Seeker`> heh
[22:41] <Seeker`> SELECT COUNT(distinct Nick) FROM Messages
[22:41] <Seeker`> ?
[22:41] <LjL> nope
[22:41] <LjL> won't work
[22:41] <LjL> anyway, the wc -l method gives me 151155
[22:41] <Seeker`> wow
[22:42] <LjL> now, let me see just how many days it spans
[22:43] <LjL> should be 1311 days
[22:43] <LjL> Seeker`: so about 115 actual new users a day?
[22:44] <Seeker`> cool
[22:44] <LjL> minus some who change nicknames, i suppose
[22:47] <LjL> Seeker`: i'd put the site for those stats back online if i had anywhere to put it to
[22:49] <jussi01> LjL: *cough*
[22:49] <LjL> jussi01: it's pretty heavy
[22:49] <jussi01> LjL: ok, what are we talking?
[22:49] <LjL> jussi01: just the db up to 2008 is 100 megs. a query on my server takes about a minute
[22:50] <LjL> (admittedly, my server isn't the latest in technology)
[22:50] <jussi01> LjL: shouldnt be much of an issue
[22:50] <jussi01> LjL: Ill give you an account on the second server - not the bot one.
[22:51] <LjL> ok, let's try
[22:51] <LjL> (the bot one wouldn't be a good idea, no)
[22:51] <Seeker`> i'm guessing the bot one is the one i'm on now
[22:51] <jussi01> Seeker`: yea
[22:51] <LjL> Seeker`: ps aux...
[22:52] <Seeker`> yup
[22:52] <jussi01> LjL: btw, did you notice the address change? use ubottu.com for the bot one now
[22:52] <LjL> php has a proc_nice() function, i might use that
[22:52] <jussi01> LjL: oh, you already  have an account
[22:53] <LjL> jussi01: hm, wait
[22:53] <jussi01> LjL:  just log int using your previuos credentials to jussi01.com
[22:53] <LjL> jussi01: i had - or thought i had - forgot my password some time ago, stdin restored it
[22:54] <jussi01> LjL: there are 2 servers - the one I had originally, and the new vps. I can reset your password if you need it
[22:54] <jussi01> jussi01.com is the original, ubottu.com is the new vps
[22:54] <LjL> jussi01: the password seems to be the same on both, and my apt web stuff is apparently on both
[22:55] <LjL> i just tried
[22:55] <LjL> (i guess that explains the ssh key authentication failures)
[22:55] <jussi01> LjL: yeah, when we changed it we rsynced everything across
[22:55] <LjL> jussi01: so which one should i be using for the apt thing now?
[22:56] <jussi01> LjL: either - its not too heavy and both can handle it.
[22:56] <jussi01> but the stats thing should be on jussi01.com
[22:56] <LjL> ok
[22:57] <LjL> jussi01: i might need you to install some php gadgets for the stats one to work
[22:57] <jussi01> LjL: just give me a package list
[22:58] <LjL> jussi01: i will when i know what it would be :)
[22:58] <LjL> it's been more than a year
[22:58] <jussi01> in a nice cut and paste format to make my life easier :D
[23:00] <LjL> is it very silly of me to be using netcat to transfer stuff 'cause i'never used scp or rsync? :P
[23:01] <jussi01> yes! :P
[23:01] <jussi01> I mean seroiusly... even sftp:// for petes sake...
[23:02] <LjL> i dunno, i'm scared of stuff involving public keys
[23:02] <LjL> it's irrational
[23:02] <jussi01> LjL: you use ssh, no?
[23:02] <LjL> with a password, yes... although i'm a bit scared of it too, i just breathe deeply and use it
[23:03] <jussi01> LjL: so use sftp:// with a password... just like ssh
[23:03] <LjL> it's not an idea devoid of merit
[23:04] <jussi01> :)
[23:05] <LjL> jussi01: i need libphp-phplot installed... i don't think i need anything else, though i'm not entirely sure
[23:07] <jussi01> Unpacking libphp-phplot (from .../libphp-phplot_4.4.6+5.0rc1.dfsg-0.1ubuntu2_all.deb) ...
[23:07] <jussi01> Setting up libphp-phplot (4.4.6+5.0rc1.dfsg-0.1ubuntu2) ...
[23:07] <jussi01> jussi@whatever:~$
[23:07] <LjL> noticed already yep ;)
[23:08] <jussi01> :)
[23:09] <LjL> jussi01: alright, i think i also need php5-sqlite (sorry but just looking at the "require"s doesn't tell the whole story)
[23:09] <jussi01> LjL: all good, be quick tho, Im heading to bed soonish
[23:10] <jussi01> LjL: done
[23:10] <LjL> uhm, it's still complaining about the same function
[23:12] <jussi01> LjL: perhaps you want php-sqlite3
[23:12] <jussi01> ?
[23:12] <jussi01> or even php5-sqlite3
[23:12] <LjL> jussi01: i was thinking that but i don't think so
[23:13] <jussi01> LjL: try now... see if php5-sqlite3 fixed it
[23:13] <LjL> nope
[23:13] <LjL> sqlite_open is undefined
[23:14] <jussi01> well let me know...
[23:14] <LjL> php.net isn't very helpful, as it seems to claim it's a PHP 5 built-in
[23:14] <jussi01> hrm
[23:15] <jussi01> you sure that you thing is looking in the right places for its stuff?
[23:17] <LjL> jussi01: couldn't *swear* on it, but then i'm not really including anything to use the sqlite_open() function, i seem to just assume it to be available
[23:18] <jussi01> hrm, well if you figure out what you need, let me know. we have loads of space so installing stuff isnt really a huge issue
[23:19] <jussi01> anyway, Im off to bed. nini.
[23:20] <LjL> jussi01: it's probably just that sqlite support needs to be explicitly enabled in php. try  echo "extension=sqlite.so" >>/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
[23:20] <LjL> jussi01: night


[00:42] <rebirth> can someone help me figure out how to get rid of buzzing when recording in audacity through an maudio ozone?
[01:40] <MrApsss> - |/commands|
[04:20] <ScottL> holstein, you made the front page on planet ubuntu for your work on the weekly newsletter
[04:24] <tucemiux> did he??
[04:25] <ScottL> well, it's actually the blog aggregate (planet ubuntu) for the fridge  http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[04:32] <tucemiux> he made it on the newsletter
[06:07] <holstein> ScottL: :)
[06:07] <holstein> amber graner is in my loco
[06:07] <holstein> she's the team lead for now
[06:08] <holstein> but she's getting busy with all kinds of other projects
[06:14] <holstein> ScottL: id like to sneak some ubuntustudio news on there
[06:18] <holstein> i just noticed your blog is linked there at http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[06:19] <holstein> thats great
[13:49] <stevehedge> n o one home?
[18:44] <flexo3105> hi, i disabled pulseaudio in gstreamer-properties because it cut out the sound of amarok 1.4 (and others) after some time, had to restart each app to get sound back -> pulseaudio[15709]: pid.c: Stale PID file, overwriting.
[18:45] <flexo3105> now it segfaults ffado-mixer -> ffado-mixer[15868]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp bfc0ccdc error 4 in python2.6[8048000+1e0000]  , but this time it crashes amarok, cpu usage 100%
[18:46] <flexo3105> on 10.04 2.6.33-23-realtime , fairly fresh install
[18:47] <holstein> did you try setting it back to 'auto-detect' ?
[18:47] <flexo3105> yes i just did
[18:47] <holstein> no good?
[18:47]  * holstein wonders if you need to log out and back in for that?
[18:48] <holstein> might have to find a pulse expert
[18:48] <flexo3105> i'll check
[18:48] <holstein> SO
[18:48] <holstein> you have a firewire device?
[18:49] <flexo3105> other thing is, ffado-mixer is not working
[18:50] <flexo3105> yeah, its working sort of, some xruns in jack but i guess thats something fixable , i'm pretty new to ubuntu-studio
[18:50] <holstein> OK, so its back to 'normal'?
[18:50] <holstein> it seems?
[18:50] <holstein> what is your goal?
[18:52] <holstein> my firewire device doesnt use the ffado-mixer
[18:53] <flexo3105> getting it to work without the firewire device attached and use it to listen to music and stuff , plugin the firewire and start some recording
[18:53] <holstein> and your using JACK ?
[18:53] <holstein> with my set up
[18:53] <flexo3105> right now without the device no
[18:54] <holstein> i use my internal card for casual computing
[18:54] <holstein> listening to CD's.. etc
[18:54] <flexo3105> same here
[18:54] <holstein> and i start JACK to use the firewire device
[18:54] <flexo3105> jup
[18:54] <holstein> OK
[18:54] <flexo3105> which in my case is a saffire le
[18:54] <holstein> so you have that pulse issue with your internal card too?
[18:55] <holstein> from amarok
[18:55] <flexo3105> i guess its more of a problem with the internal card
[18:55] <holstein> ok
[18:56] <holstein> there is a way to route pulse to JACK
[18:57] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid
[18:57] <holstein> using this repo
[18:57] <holstein> i would suggest doing some research though
[18:57] <holstein> falk is the maintainer of that PPA and kxstudio
[18:58] <flexo3105> yeah, already got that repo
[18:58] <holstein> OH
[18:58] <holstein> did you update all the packages?
[18:58] <holstein> you might want to try and find him
[18:58] <holstein> hes falktx
[18:58] <holstein> in #kxstudio
[18:59] <holstein> he was just in there
[18:59] <flexo3105> oh ok
[18:59] <holstein> is it just amarok?
[19:00] <holstein> are you using KDE?
[19:00] <flexo3105> it happened with firefox/youtube before
[19:00] <holstein> hmmm
[19:01] <holstein> i have a netbook with VIA chips
[19:01] <flexo3105> i thought it might have to do with the nvidia drivers
[19:01] <holstein> and the sound dies on it often
[19:01] <holstein> AH
[19:01] <flexo3105> i have hda intel
[19:01] <holstein> that could be true
[19:01] <flexo3105> btw, using gnome
[19:01] <holstein> i guess you could run in safe graphics mode
[19:01] <holstein> maybe boot a generic kernel too
[19:02] <holstein> and test audio playback
[19:02] <holstein> you could isolate the kernel and graphics card
[19:02] <holstein> for trouble-shooting purposes
[19:04] <holstein> the nvidia driver seems plausible
[19:04] <flexo3105> ok i'll take a look into that
[19:06] <flexo3105> it's not happening with the generic kernel i think... but since it sometimes works for some hours its pretty hard to isolate
[19:11] <holstein> yeah
[19:12] <holstein> you'll have to let it play something quietly overnite or something
[19:13] <flexo3105> i wont :) its way to hot around here atm, when it crashes , cpu gets 100% and the temps keep rising
[19:13] <holstein> drag
[19:15] <flexo3105> + i had some serious issues with a really buggy DSDT.aml file when i bought the laptop, no sound at all, no gfx fans working and so on (3 years ago)
[19:16] <holstein> hmmm
[19:16] <holstein> intel should be well supported
[19:16] <holstein> RT or generic
[19:16] <flexo3105> had to recompile it and all that stuff , with later kernel versions this was fixed
[19:16] <holstein> you might just have some 'fringe' hardware
[19:16] <flexo3105> yeah
[19:17] <holstein> this netbook with the VIA chips is a pain in the ass
[19:17] <holstein> if i sleep the netbook
[19:18] <holstein> the sound never comes back
[19:18] <flexo3105> firewire @ my toshiba is texas instr. iirc , dualcore , nvidia go7900
[19:18] <flexo3105> i dont use sleep
[19:19] <holstein> i have an asus EEE too
[19:19] <holstein> i got spoiled
[19:19] <holstein> everything works great out of the box
[19:20] <holstein> i sleep that one all the time
[19:20] <flexo3105> next time i'm going to buy a new one i'll take a live cd with me
[19:20] <holstein> w00t
[19:20] <holstein> the VIA box came with linux on it
[19:20] <flexo3105> lol
[19:21] <holstein> it was one of the SLED hp mini's
[19:21] <flexo3105> i see
[19:21] <holstein> and i didnt really know about VIA
[19:21] <holstein> i mean, compatibility wise
[19:21] <holstein> i just assumed since it came with linux
[19:21] <holstein> i would be fine
[19:21] <flexo3105> might work for the casual user
[19:21] <holstein> whatever... live and learn
[19:21] <holstein> nah
[19:21] <holstein> its a drag
[19:21] <flexo3105> hehe
[19:22] <holstein> you gotta be a techie type to recover things as they crash
[19:22] <holstein> and SLED was not easy to use either
[19:22]  * holstein was an early adopter
[19:22] <flexo3105> :)
[19:22] <holstein> its got an express card slot though
[19:23] <holstein> hardly any netbooks have those anymore
[19:23] <holstein> SO i can use it as a portalbe rig with my firewire device
[19:23] <holstein> thats enough usefulness to me really
[19:23] <flexo3105> i'm not that much into netbooks... would be interesting for serato tho
[19:24] <holstein> cool
[19:24] <flexo3105> with osx :(
[19:24]  * holstein just checked out http://serato.com/
[19:25] <flexo3105> only caveat would be the screen size imo
[19:26] <holstein> i would not have gotten netbooks if we had had functional laptops
[19:26] <holstein> my dell died
[19:26] <holstein> and my girlfriend had a dying compaq
[19:27] <holstein> SO i got us a couple
[19:30] <flexo3105> :)
[19:30] <flexo3105> i'd buy one, but only for the us price
[19:31] <holstein> seems to be some resonable prices in the UK too
[19:31] <flexo3105> yeah
[19:38] <flexo3105> i'm off for some movie
[19:38] <holstein> laterx :)
[19:38] <flexo3105> laters
[23:05] <zus> how much GTK does the ubuntustudio package have? i dont want the "Gnome" look. I am REALLY thinking on going back to kubuntu and using the packages. -
[23:33] <holstein> zus: did you check out kxstudio?
[23:34] <holstein> if your a KDE guy, its nice
[23:34] <zus> holstein,  hey stranger.
[23:34] <holstein> :)
[23:34] <holstein> yeah..
[23:34]  * holstein 's been busy for a few days
[23:35] <holstein> zus: eitherway
[23:36] <holstein> the software should run fine under KDE
[23:36] <holstein> you'll probably have to take some gnome libs
[23:39] <zus>  no i have not....im just not getting on with cssm and a few things gnome...maybe gnome shell 3 gets going ill check in on that but
[23:39] <zus> trying to help with dinna as well
[23:39] <zus> here
[23:39] <holstein> right on
[23:39] <holstein> i just got back from dinner :)
[23:40] <zus>  holstein  well, i dont mind im not tottally  millitant of opensource or not and kde  vs gnome... but man i had more fun in kde i guess
[23:40] <holstein> im just used to gnome
[23:41] <holstein> KDE is slick
[23:41] <holstein> and my hardware is on the older side
[23:42] <zus> im getting outdated as well but it handles it pretty nice.
[23:42] <zus> i REALLY like some gnome stuff like this me menu stuff.
[23:42] <zus> but dammed it i wanna play games wine is borked to there and back.....a lot of little things make me mad.
[23:50] <zus> holstein,  well i've got to round a few things up we're to film again tonight...soon you'll help me get jack working yeah?
[23:50] <holstein> sure
[23:51] <holstein> maybe later tonite then?
[23:57] <zus> holstein,  yeah ill ping ya when im back
[23:57] <holstein> :)
[23:58] <zus> meh, dinner just got done and now i got a text saying were to be there at 7:30.... its 7:00 now.


[23:03] <cjohnston> daker: are you good with ajax?
[23:05] <daker_> cjohnston: yes
[23:05] <cjohnston> daker_: I need like an ajaxy pop-up form thingie in summit
[23:06] <daker_> cjohnston: to do what exactly ?
[23:06] <cjohnston> daker_: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20584/security-q-openjdk/
[23:07] <cjohnston> I need when you click Attend this meeting a box pops up asking about participation essential just like blueprints does
[23:07] <cjohnston> either check it or dont check it and click save
[23:08] <daker_> cjohnston: i'll do it for you tomorrow, just remind me :)
[23:08] <cjohnston> daker_: okie.. ty


[11:45] <Riddell> Ubuntu Desktop and Edubuntu being respun
[11:51] <bkerensa> :)
[11:51] <bkerensa> \o/ ISO Testing
[14:16] <brendand> jibel - ping
[14:41] <jibel> brendand, pong
[14:41] <brendand> jibel, do you know is there a way around the problem with creating i386 live images on an amd64 host?
[14:42] <brendand> jibel, i'd love to start iso testing, but my laptop is running amd64 now
[14:42] <brendand> and the only test systems i have are atom netbooks
[14:51] <jibel> brendand, what's the problem ?
[14:54] <brendand> jibel - when i create a usb stick on my laptup with usb-creator-gtk, even though the image is i386 i get the 'this is not a 64-bit host' error on the installation system. i guess syslinux is 64-bit
[14:54] <jibel> brendand, with virtualbox ?
[14:55] <brendand> jibel, no - bare metal
[14:57] <jibel> brendand, I never faced this bug. Did you report it or bug number you know ?
[14:57] <brendand> jibel - i'll try again. if it still happens i'll raise a bug
[14:58] <jibel> brendand, anything in your bios that could prevent booting x86 images ?
[14:59] <jibel> New Ubuntu images posted to the tracker
[14:59] <brendand> jibel - eh, the system i'm booting on has only an atom processor...
[15:00] <jibel> brendand, same here with an N450
[15:01] <jibel> it's booting an i386 image created from an x86_86 machine
[15:01] <jibel> x86_64 even
[15:04] <xdatap1> jibel, hello. I just received the email from the tracker. The download links still says "lucid"
[15:05] <jibel> xdatap1, hello. stgraber fixed it and we are waiting for a code push
[15:05] <jibel> which should happen any time soon
[15:05] <xdatap1> jibel, thanks. Starting the download anyway :)
[15:05] <brendand> jibel - should i be a bug? i mean usb-creator should install syslinux to match the architecture of the image, not the host right?
[15:05] <jibel> xdatap1, but you should see precise just below lucid ?
[15:06] <stgraber> it's actually been fixed weeks ago ;)
[15:06] <stgraber> and IS was supposed to do the rollout last week
[15:06] <stgraber> which they kind of did
[15:06] <stgraber> they just missed a final "bzr up" so we're still on the buggy code
[15:06] <jibel> brendand, yes please file a bug, I can't reproduce it locally.
[15:07] <xdatap1> jibel, I'm talking about this page: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds/12594/downloads
[15:07] <stgraber> xdatap1: the duplicate (lucid + precise) there has been fixed in trunk for weeks ;)
[15:08] <stgraber> xdatap1: it's just a matter of having IS run the bzr up
[15:08] <xdatap1> stgraber, ok cool. No problem, just for letting you know ;)
[15:09] <brendand> jibel, ok. seems fine now! either i made an oopsie and accidentally selected an amd64 image, or usb-creator was momentarily bugged last week
[15:10] <jibel> brendand, cool. this bug was scared just talking about it :)
[15:11] <stgraber> jibel, xdatap1: I just poked IS directly. Someone is having a look now, so hopefully it should be all fixed in a few minutes
[15:12] <xdatap1> stgraber, great. You rock :)
[15:12] <xdatap1> stgraber, to be honest, you normaly rock, it's not just about the tracker :D
[15:13] <stgraber> xdatap1: fixed
[15:13] <xdatap1> stgraber, yep, it works, great
[16:59] <balloons> AlanBell, how'd that orca test end up?
[17:14] <AlanBell> orca got a bit broken with stuff landing for feature freeze I think, going to give it another go now, I want to make sure the test cases are somewhat realisticly do-able
[17:24] <balloons> kk, sounds good AlanBell
[17:42] <balloons> roadmr, cr3 quick question on checkbox test format.. what's the best way to list assumptions for the test case?
[17:45] <cr3> balloons: "assumptions" as in "dependencies on other tests" or "requirements on devices and/or packages"?
[17:45] <jibel> stgraber, when you have a chance, could you check ltsp-live. When I boot the client, I'm dropped to busybox
[17:46] <balloons> more like requirements cr3.. in other words, if I have a test talking about using a camera, I have an assumption that you have a camera :-)
[17:46] <stgraber> jibel: argh ... yeah will have a look, I actually think I know what's wrong
[17:46] <stgraber> at least that should be easy to fix
[17:46] <stgraber> (and shouldn't affect LTSP on alternates)
[17:46] <balloons> I have some dependencies on other tests inside tests as well, but generally I just run them in order.. I think that's fine for now
[17:47] <cr3> balloons: requires: device.category == 'CAPTURE'
[17:48] <balloons> ohh while I have you.. I have a number of these errors in my logs I'm trying to fix;  Exception: Template <stream> has a duplicate field 'plugin' with a new value 'manual'.
[17:48] <balloons> what could be wrong with my job if I'm getting that error?
[17:48] <cr3> balloons: don't necessarily assume tests will run in a particular order, if a test really makes more sense to run before or after another one, please make sure to specify depends: name_of_other_test
[17:49] <balloons> cr3, ohh cool.. in general I wasn't depending.. There was only one suite that has that dependency
[17:49] <cr3> balloons: probably a trailing space, make sure to separate your job definitions with an empty line, not a line with some spaces :)
[17:49] <balloons> it was lower priority to figure out. I'll add depends
[17:49] <balloons> ouch trailing spaces.. kk strippin
[17:49] <cr3> balloons: the parser could be more intelligent about that, I'll take a note for future improvement
[17:50] <cr3> ie, for the checkbox-core parser at very least
[18:29] <balloons> cr3, hmm that didn't seem to change anything.. still getting the same error
[18:47] <balloons> cr3, roadmr could you look at my branch again and see what might be up? I would appreciate it bzr branch lp:~nskaggs/+junk/checkbox-app-testing
[18:57] <bdmurray> jibel: can you tell me more about what happens with debconf in bug 940252?
[19:08] <roadmr> balloons: could you add a newline at the *end* of each of your job files and see if it helps fix the problem?
[19:09] <roadmr> balloons: basically what happens is that checkbox cats all the jobfiles together, if the result has duplicate keys within the same blankline-delimited block, then you'll get duplicate field errors
[19:15] <balloons> roadmr.. sure
[19:15] <balloons> makes sense
[19:16] <balloons> sweetness!
[19:16] <balloons> that looks like it did it
[19:16] <roadmr> balloons: we really need some kind of checkbox-lint tool, right? :(
[19:17] <roadmr> something that checks explains errors a bit better
[19:17] <balloons> well for now.. let me go add that to your wiki
[19:17] <balloons> trim trailing spaces, but a newline after each test.. end each file with a new line
[19:19] <balloons> woot! indeed no more errors in the log file
[19:21] <davmor2> AlanBell: there were a couple of at-spi2 lands that orca might need an update for
[19:24] <stgraber> jibel: do you have a bug number for the ltsp-live bug where you drop to busybox?
[19:24] <stgraber> jibel: if not that's fine, I just want to close any bug that's currently open with the upload
[19:29] <cr3> balloons: if you're still getting errors, could you provide me with something to look at? perhaps a branch where you could push your code...
[19:30] <balloons> cr3, i pasted my branch info above.. but roadmr solved it for me.. I didn't have newlines at the end of most of my files
[19:30] <balloons> everything is perfect now :-)
[19:30] <balloons> thanks to both of you
[19:30] <roadmr> balloons: glad to be of help, as always :)
[19:30] <balloons> i'm adding the info to the wiki here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Checkbox/Walkthrough
[19:39] <cr3> balloons: ah, because you were using cat to concatenate a bunch of job files. this might pose a problem if something creates a file~, ie with tilde in addition to the one you already have
[19:40] <cr3> balloons: if you're cat'ing multiple different files, you could also use filter_templates instead of cat, it'll take care of separating jobs properly so you don't need to remember to add a trailing empty line which is error prone
[20:52] <balloons> cr3, I'm confused by what you mean I'm catting files together
[20:52] <balloons> is there something I should/could be doing differently?
[20:55] <balloons> I was editing the wiki to say you needed to include the new lines, etc.. I'll leave it off for now
[20:57] <cr3> balloons: do you have a branch where all the code you're working on resides, just so that I can have a look?
[20:58] <balloons> yea, my current branch is here: bzr branch lp:~nskaggs/+junk/checkbox-app-testing
[21:01] <cr3> balloons: command: cat $CHECKBOX_APP_TESTING_SHARE/jobs/nautilus.txt*
[21:01] <balloons> ahh yes
[21:01] <cr3> balloons: that's what I was talking about, so you might have problems in the event something creates nautilus.txt.in~ for example
[21:01] <balloons> the local.txt.in file
[21:01] <balloons> how should i set it up?
[21:02] <cr3> balloons: good question, nautilus.txt* was intended to express "either nautilus.txt *or* nautilus.txt.in", not "both nautilus.txt.in *and* nautilus.txt.in~"
[21:04] <balloons> yes.. I was just copying the example I had
[21:04] <balloons> I wasn't sure why the syntax existed like that
[21:04] <balloons> so again.. happy to adopt whatever best practice for this you thin
[21:04] <balloons> *think
[21:12] <cr3> balloons: out of curiosity, what editor are you using?
[21:12] <balloons> meh.. normally geany
[21:12] <balloons> today just gedit to quick fix things
[21:13] <cr3> balloons: ok, I wasn't expecting the editor to thwart checkbox with its temporary swap files.
[21:13] <cr3> balloons: so, an alternate filename matching expression might be:
[21:13] <cr3> command: cat $CHECKBOX_APP_TESTING_SHARE/jobs/nautilus.txt[\.in]*
[21:14] <cr3> this doesn't accurately express "either nautilus.txt *or* nautilus.txt.in", but it's close enough with the limited pattern matching at our disposal
[21:15] <balloons> yea.. not a fan of those
[21:15] <balloons> did they get into the branch
[21:15] <balloons> they should be in the ignore file
[21:16] <balloons> cr3, but that still requires the trailing blank line for files... as long as I'm using cat
[21:20] <bdmurray> Does anybody know if there is a bug about ubuntu slideshow display a paw print of an ocelot?
[21:21] <cr3> balloons: don't worry, your branch looks fine and none of the tilde files were committed.
[21:22] <cr3> balloons: however, it's still a pain that you have to close your editor every time you want to run checkbox, so that's where [\.in]* might be useful
[21:22] <balloons> i will update.. thanks cr3
[21:22] <cr3> balloons: or, of course, remember to add a trailing blank line at the end of your files at which point your files will be opened twice, once with the tilde and once without it because there are still two files matching nautilus.txt*
[21:23] <cr3> balloons: I might as well do the same in the base checkbox package :)
[21:23] <balloons> hehe
[21:23] <balloons> ohh
[21:23] <balloons> while i've got you
[21:24] <balloons> I was wondering on what you thought about a "file-a-bug" button on tests for when they fail?
[21:24] <balloons> ideally we'd like to be able to hit a button on the test, have it file a comment with the new bug number, and have it launch ubuntu-bug SOURCEPACKAGE -t TAG
[21:24] <cr3> balloons: if apport is enabled, a failing test should already cause apport to popup. if that's not the case, please let me know
[21:25] <cr3> balloons: fyi, apport should be enabled by default during the development cycle and only disabled by default 7 days before release
[21:25] <balloons> cr3, yes but apport won't appear if nothing actually crashed :-)
[21:25] <cr3> balloons: even if you just answered "no", apport should popup
[21:25] <balloons> ohh really?
[21:25] <cr3> balloons: if not, let me know and I could have a quick look
[21:25] <balloons> doesn't happen on my branch, so I'm not doing something correct
[21:26] <balloons> can i specify a tag as well?
[21:26] <balloons> I don't specify source packages anywhere, so I'm assuming that's the issue
[21:26] <cr3> balloons: and you're sure apport is enabled on your system? for example, you're running precise?
[21:26] <balloons> yes, running precise
[21:26] <balloons> apport is working fine
[21:27] <cr3> I think checkbox does a best effort of feeding apport with an appropriate tag, probably based on the requires line
[21:28] <balloons> hmm.. ok, I'm missing requires
[21:28] <cr3> balloons: just to be sure, can you show me the output of this command from your system: grep -i enabled /etc/default/apport
[21:28] <balloons> enabled=1
[21:28] <cr3> balloons: ok, try specifying a package then, let me know if that solves the problem
[21:29] <balloons> cr3, that's my guess
[21:29] <cr3> # Do not report a bug if no package nor symptom is defined
[21:29] <balloons> trying real quick
[21:29] <cr3> balloons: that's what checkbox says, so it must be right :)
[21:29] <balloons> has to be!
[21:30] <cr3> that's an obscur side effect: no package requirement, no apport. I can understand how that makes sense but the relation is subtle at best
[21:30] <balloons> yes.. I knew there was no way to run apport.. since I didn't give a package
[21:30] <balloons> but lol, I didn't realize it would
[21:32] <balloons> hmm.. not sure I've got the require syntax correct
[21:33] <balloons> what happens if I do a requires and I don't have it? it just skips the test right?
[21:33] <balloons> and what goes on the requires line?
[21:34] <balloons> for instance, requires: nautilus
[21:37] <bdmurray> okay well I reported bug 942262 about it
[21:43] <cr3> requires: package.name == 'nautilus'
[21:44] <cr3> balloons: ^^^ try that and, to answer your question, a test is indeed just skipped if the requires expression evaluates to false
[21:44] <balloons> cr3, k trying now
[21:45] <balloons> cool.. test popped up this time
[21:45] <balloons> ok, I hit no, but apport didn't pop
[21:47] <balloons> hmm hmm
[21:47] <balloons> gonna try something
[21:57] <cr3> balloons: how so?
[21:58] <cr3> balloons: err, nevermind :)
[21:58] <balloons> trying it now..
[21:58] <balloons> i'm going to try and use your upstream branch with my tests
[21:58] <balloons> instead of the bin on my box
[22:02] <cr3> balloons: fyi, I created bug #942273 about the filename matching expression in checkbox core and already submitted a branch with a merge request
[22:03] <balloons> cr3, nice!
[22:04] <balloons> thanks
[22:04] <cr3> balloons: thanks to you :)
[22:36] <balloons> sidetracked for a few mins.. will get back to trying your upstream later.. however, if you have any other ideas cr3 on why apport isn't popping up on a 'no', let me know now :-)
[22:38] <cr3> balloons: my changes haven't been merged into upstream trunk yet, but that shouldn't affect the problem though. it's mostly a nice-to-have when editing jobs with gedit
[22:38] <cr3> balloons: as for apport not appearing, do you see anything suspicious in the logs? I can't try it right now, only tomorrow
[22:40] <balloons> ahh.. lol, I keep forgetting those logs!
[22:40] <balloons> so I tried to just drop my jobs into the upstream branch bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/checkbox/ and then run checkbox-qt.. nothing shows up ;-)
[22:41] <balloons> same deal for checkbox-gtk ;-) obviously needs a bit more than that
[22:41] <balloons> checking logs on run now
[22:44] <balloons> yep sure enough
[22:44] <balloons> Traceback (most recent call last):
[22:44] <balloons>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/checkbox/reactor.py", line 74, in fire
[22:44] <balloons>     results.append(handler(*args, **kwargs))
[22:44] <balloons>   File "/usr/share/checkbox/plugins/apport_prompt.py", line 229, in prompt_test
[22:44] <balloons>     'suite:' : test["suite"]}
[22:44] <balloons> KeyError: 'suite'
[22:51] <cr3> balloons: aha, that looks like the culprit!
[22:51] <cr3> balloons: I really need to jet but we could pickup from there tomorrow
[22:52] <cr3> balloons: until then, what that means is that it seems that the test is not part of a local job
[22:52] <balloons> cr3, sounds good.. enjoy your evening, chat with you tomorrow.. you've been a big help
[22:52] <cr3> balloons: in other words, the test selection window should only contain local jobs, ie they should have the + to expand the tests within the local job
[22:53] <balloons> yes, the test selection window contains a list with =
[22:53] <cr3> balloons: if you see any jobs in the test selection window without a + at the root node, that's a problem
[22:53] <balloons> a list with +'s
[22:53] <balloons> yes, I had that problem for a long time
[22:53] <cr3> balloons: it should only have +'s
[22:54] <balloons> yep, it does
[22:54] <balloons> actually they are > arrows, but :-)
[22:54] <cr3> balloons: hm, in that case, we could have a closer look tomorrow
[22:54] <cr3> balloons: heh, you get the idea though :)
[22:54] <cr3> cheerio!
[23:08] <skaet> A full set of rebuilds has just been kicked off to pick up the fixes from the weekend and today - they should be emerging on the iso tracker over the next couple of hours.
[23:10] <skaet> ubuntu alternate,  kubuntu alternate posted.
[23:14] <skaet> xubuntu alternate posted
[23:45] <bkerensa> skaet: getting ready to test them now


[13:39] <dmsimard> Hi ! I was looking to get an OpenStack environment going with CentOS guests with config-drive provided network configuration. It looks like I would need the RHEL version of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/revision/1189?start_revid=1189
[13:40] <dmsimard> harlowja: ^ I was told you might be able to help ?
[14:56] <smoser> harlowja, ^
[16:32] <harlowja> sup
[16:56] <smoser> harlowja, dmsimard wants you to fix centos for network config
[16:56] <smoser> and config drive :)
[16:56] <harlowja> :-P
[16:56] <harlowja> ya, damn
[16:56] <harlowja> lol
[16:56] <harlowja> i knew it, ha
[16:56] <dmsimard> oh hai
[16:56] <dmsimard> well, I'm willing to help and all
[16:57] <dmsimard> friend here mgagne pointed me to an (older?) iteration of that implementation I guess, https://github.com/mgagne/cloud-init-fedora-pkg/blob/epel7/cloud-init-0.7.5-network-info-support.patch
[16:58] <dmsimard> But the way it was just merged (three weeks ago, talk about timing) looks similar yet different
[16:58] <mgagne> harlowja: original version here: https://github.com/racker/cloud-init-fedora-pkg
[16:59] <dmsimard> cloud-init will be in core OS packages in RHEL 7.3 and CentOS 7.3 this year so it'd be great to have a version cut with that support baked in
[17:01] <harlowja> mgagne dmsimard ya, i'd like to have that in also
[17:01] <harlowja> do u guys want to work on that, or should i?
[17:01] <harlowja> i moved companies recently, so i might have to do some of the legal CCLA crap again smoser
[17:01] <harlowja> i gotta aks on that
[17:01] <harlowja> *ask
[17:02] <larsks> harlowja: which goes back to my question yesterday asking about a 0.7.7 release... :)
[17:02] <dmsimard> I can help testing but I'm not knowledgeable enough about those bits to do it myself
[17:02] <harlowja> smoser is mr.release ;)
[17:02] <harlowja> he's gonna do git soon also
[17:02] <harlowja> lol
[17:02] <harlowja> i just know it
[17:02] <harlowja> i believe
[17:02] <harlowja> i'll send smoser a cookie if he does git
[17:02] <harlowja> lol
[17:03] <larsks> I would contribute to that cookie fund.
[17:04] <harlowja> :)
[17:07] <smoser> harlowja, git will come
[17:07] <smoser> git willi come
[17:07] <harlowja> smoser tommorow?
[17:07] <harlowja> lol
[17:07] <harlowja> today?
[17:07] <smoser> after 16.04 releases (next thursday)... not before.
[17:07] <harlowja> 16.04
[17:07] <harlowja> damn it
[17:08] <harlowja> another LTS
[17:08] <harlowja> i just reinstalled 14.04
[17:08] <harlowja> lol
[17:08] <smoser> if spandhe joins maybe we can convince her to do it.
[17:08] <smoser> she's still yahoo, right ?
[17:08] <harlowja> ya
[17:09] <harlowja> dmsimard mgagne if u guys want to get a patch working
[17:09] <harlowja>  https://github.com/mgagne/cloud-init-fedora-pkg/blob/epel7/cloud-init-0.7.5-network-info-support.patch i guess ?
[17:09] <harlowja> just maybe a few more tests ?
[17:09] <harlowja> cause that patch doesn't seem to have to many
[17:10] <harlowja> then maybe by the time those tests happen, smoser will have git
[17:10] <harlowja> and we can all have cookies
[17:11] <harlowja> i believe!
[17:11] <harlowja> lol
[17:13] <mgagne> harlowja: let me check if have a more up2date version
[17:13] <harlowja> mgagne  np
[17:13] <mgagne> because we are reading network_info.json now, not vendor_data.json
[17:13] <harlowja> right
[17:14] <harlowja> that's fine, some network_info.json test cases, that give a sample network_info.json in and check the output would be cool
[17:14] <harlowja> *and/or multiple sample inputs ---> check the outputs
[17:15] <mgagne> that's scary, I think I fixed it for debian but not rhel
[17:17] <mgagne> harlowja: for trusty, for what it's worth: https://gist.github.com/mgagne/46748012efa1ff3389b380a25bedb14d
[17:17] <harlowja> cool, ya, tests for these would be nice ;)
[17:17] <harlowja> like a bunch of input data files and expected output files
[17:18] <harlowja> for debian and ubuntu and redhat and ...
[17:18] <harlowja> maybe to far-fetched, butttt
[17:18] <mgagne> I might not be the right person to ask to invest time on it atm ^^'
[17:18] <harlowja> kk
[17:18] <harlowja> dmsimard ?
[17:19] <mgagne> don't know, doesn't work with us anymore =)
[17:19] <harlowja> delegation not working
[17:19] <mgagne> should patch be targeted for v2 or 0.7.x is fine?
[17:19] <harlowja> must delegate harder, lol
[17:19] <mgagne> still waiting for my clone to arrive from mail
[17:20] <harlowja> UPS lose it?
[17:20] <harlowja> lol
[17:20] <mgagne> unfortunate yes =( they also say we can't ship bio stuff :P
[17:20] <harlowja> ah
[17:20] <harlowja> good point
[17:23] <klindgren> I hear fedex or DHL is looser on the restrictions
[17:23] <harlowja> nice nice
[17:24] <harlowja> dmsimard let me know if u have time for those kinds of tests
[17:24] <harlowja> if not, i can try, but no guarantees on time for that :-P
[17:24] <harlowja> or smoser can get git and then we can accept patch, and i can start adding tests
[17:24] <harlowja> and cookies
[17:31] <larsks> Out of curiousity, what is the effort involved in moving to git?  Is it more than just import-from-bzr-export-to-github?
[17:31] <harlowja> larsks we already have that
[17:31] <harlowja> but its not in sync with bzr
[17:31] <harlowja> larsks https://github.com/openstack/cloud-init is that (export from bzr, import to github)
[17:31] <larsks> Right, I have noted that :).  Is the goal to maintain the bzr repo and keep it in sync automatically?
[17:31] <harlowja> but bzr has a native mode
[17:32] <larsks> Or why not just perform the manual sync once, then kill the bzr repo and go on our merry way?
[17:32] <harlowja> i delegate question to smoser
[17:32] <harlowja> :)
[17:33] <larsks> I am using git locally (via git-remote-bzr), which works great for me but confused the heck out of dmsimard yesterday when I forgot and gave him a git commit id from my local repo...
[17:34] <harlowja> i think the idea was to keep 0.7.x on bzr (and bzr-git) and anything new using that git above
[17:35] <larsks> That seems clunky, because people are going to continue to make patches against the 0.7.x code for packages, and it would be nice to have it in the same repo as newer stuff for ease for cherry-picking, etc.
[17:36] <harlowja> larsks  i know, its either that or we talk about killing bzr again :-P
[17:37] <smoser> larsks, it would be git on launchpad.
[17:38] <larsks> smoser: yeah, that's fine.
[17:38] <harlowja> but only for 0.7.x
[17:38] <harlowja> and then i think i'd ask the openstack-infra guys to kill the 0.7.x branch on  https://github.com/openstack/cloud-init version
[17:38] <smoser> right.
[17:38] <harlowja> which hopefully they would do
[17:38] <smoser> the other thing that is needed is the revision number thing...
[17:39] <larsks> Which revision number thing?
[17:39] <dmsimard> Sorry was afk getting food, reading backlog
[17:39] <smoser> harlowja, had something there. but basically i quite often make use of the bzr revision number for things (snapshots) and want some equivalent
[17:39] <smoser> i forget what it is... theres a apython module that gives snapsthos numbers.
[17:39] <harlowja> there's a few
[17:39] <harlowja> pbr
[17:39] <harlowja> a few others
[17:40] <harlowja> https://github.com/habnabit/vcversioner (another one)
[17:40] <harlowja> and i'm sure a few more
[17:41] <smoser> that wasnt it i dont htink
[17:41] <larsks> Or just use short git commit ids (which are nice because they can be used directly in git commands, etc)
[17:41] <smoser> yeah, but they dont increase.
[17:41] <dmsimard> ok, I read all that
[17:41] <larsks> True.
[17:41] <dmsimard> I definitely can't write python tests to save my life, sorry :p
[17:42] <larsks> That would be a great movie.  "Do you expect me to write a unit test? No, Mr. Bond; I expect you to die."
[17:43] <harlowja> lol
[17:49]  * smoser writes down not to trusty larsks's movie recommendations
[17:49] <smoser> s/trusty/trust/
[17:49] <smoser> (fingers type a y if i type trust)
[17:49] <larsks> Yeah, Trusty is old news.
[18:10] <dmsimard> harlowja: so was that patch a good fit for what landed in trunk, then ?
[18:10] <dmsimard> minus the debian bits
[18:10]  * harlowja hasn't looked over to much yet
[18:10] <harlowja> lol
[18:11] <harlowja> dmsimard i'll get into looking at it more
[18:12] <dmsimard> no emergencies or anything, I resorted to using dhcp for the time being :(
[18:12] <harlowja> k
[18:13] <dmsimard> Do let me know if you'd like to test anything though, this is something I can help with.
[18:13] <harlowja> k
[18:13] <harlowja> thx