[03:04] <ivx> jmdc so do apt-get remove --purge x
[03:04] <tritium> kevin: ubotu is a bot
[03:05] <oblib> greenman,, I believe it is "from" just like cp or mv
[03:05] <Natural_High> does anyone remember the name of that plugin for xmms hotkeys?
[03:05] <LjL> tritium: and kevin's not even that
[03:05] <georgy> greeman : from
[03:05] <greenman> thanks
[03:05] <Natural_High> I used to have it, but cannot for the life of me remember what it's claled
[03:05] <Natural_High> *called
[03:05] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. Is there not a libsieve or libsieve-dev package for Ubuntu?
[03:05] <__mikem> Keven, ubotu is an irc bot
[03:05] <shuan> any 1 know how i can get a shockwave plugin for firefox 2?
[03:05] <jmdc> greenman: you can use man to look up a command's manual page as well
[03:05] <neonempyr> Falstiu1: is there a list of their devices that are UMS compatible? I don't see one
[03:06] <oblib> Is there a way to repair a package without uninstalling it?
[03:06] <jmdc> ivx: you're correct.
[03:06] <rummik> does anyone else get a garbled screen when they go to a console through ctrl+alt+f*?
[03:06] <Natural_High> shuan: have you tried the macromedia website?
[03:06] <esaym> oh hmm. well waht is a replacement for automatix? easyubuntu?
[03:06] <ivx> jmdc thank you sir
[03:06] <Natural_High> hmm...
[03:06] <greenman> jmdc: i did. :) it's confusing.  and i think i did it wrong.  :)  (too many levels of symbolic links)
[03:06] <Natural_High> oops
[03:06] <tritium> esaym: yes
[03:06] <ivx> jmdc or ma'am
[03:06] <jrib> shuan: installing firefox through wine is the only way I knwo of.  Adobe does not have a native shockwave plugin for linux
[03:06] <LjL> esaym: the best replacement is reading the documentation, but yes
[03:06] <Natural_High> shuan quit
[03:06] <donfilipo> sethk can not find can you tell me in wich colomn are preferences File Edit View History.... are my columns if i translate it back
[03:06] <Kannix> jvai: since you are such a nice person and patient helper :) Do you know how I can replace the ubuntu-start-button (and only that one!) in the "Human" theme with the regular gnome paw?
[03:06] <esaym> i never could get it easyubuntu installed
[03:06] <esaym> hmm
[03:07] <sethk> donfilipo, ok, one minute
[03:07] <Jeshua> (Been ages.) If anyone has the time, is it possible to edit the "Session" Menu on the Login Screen? Thanks in advance.
[03:07] <jmdc> ivx hahaha
[03:07] <Falstiu1> neonempyr: that link lists UMS versions of the firmware that are available.  Even without the UMS firmware, there is an opensource utility that lets you use the dev with linux.  It is a little annoying though.
[03:07] <LocoMan> can anyone help me to get the altgr key working?
[03:07] <Kannix> jvai: I do not want to change the whole theme, just that one icon.
[03:07] <greenman> ah ha
[03:07] <greenman> got it
[03:07] <greenman> thanks guys
[03:07] <Scrape> I'm using Xubuntu; how do I get the linux-wlan-ng drivers to load automatically instead of the hostap_cs driver? (Normally orinoco_cs gets loaded; I blacklisted that in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, but now it loads hostap!)
[03:07] <neonempyr> Falstiu1: looks like iRiver now suppors T series UMS: http://www.mtp-ums.net/
[03:07] <georgy> greenman,  ; no pb
[03:07] <jvai> wait... i emailed the link bfore i installed dapper from hoary, lemme look it up
[03:07] <Psi-Jack> HEYA: is there an ubuntu equivalent package to debian's libsieve2-dev?
[03:07] <sethk> donfilipo, on the menu, you do:     edit/preferences
[03:08] <sethk> donfilipo, that opens a dialog with 5 or 6 sections at the top:  general, privacy, content, *, downloads, advance
[03:08] <sethk> donfilipo, the * and the "5 or 6" is because it depends on what extensions you have installed (if any)
[03:08] <georgy> nikin,: some news ?
[03:08] <donfilipo> sethk yes i have in my lingo it's Urejanje Nastavitve
[03:09] <sethk> donfilipo, in any event, go to the "downloads" section.  It should be the last button, just above help.
[03:09] <Falstiu1> neonempyr: cool.  I wish I had an excuse to buy a new one :)  They're about half as much now.
[03:09] <sethk> donfilipo, can't help with the language, if it isn't english or spanish I'm pretty useless :)
[03:09] <neonempyr> falstiu1: yep. thanks again mate, night
[03:10] <Falstiu1> neonempyr: np.
[03:10] <donfilipo> sethk i have it it's vrste datotek in my lingo...i was there before but....something is wrong
[03:10] <rummik> anyone know why i get a garbled screen on the tty's?
[03:10] <jvai> kannix u want the gone foot back dont u?  well, i pulled this bfore i upgraded 	 More options	  Oct 24
[03:10] <jvai> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=40882
[03:10] <jvai>
[03:10] <jvai> ooops
[03:10] <elyezer> someone programming c++ on anjuta ide???
[03:11] <jvai> kannix bookmark that
[03:11] <Cadteach> Anyone with experience installing on a mac?
[03:11] <Kannix> jvai: Thanks. I'll look at it now :)
[03:11] <ivx> does anyone know if pureftpd is as secure as they say?
[03:11] <Scrape> Or, why do I get repeated TX timeouts with my prism2 card using orinoco_cs? It seems to occur especially when I try to print via CUPS, such that I can't actually print. I'm 99% sure it's the network card... I can use the internet, but as soon as I try to print to my print server, I see tons of timeouts and NETDEV resets.
[03:11] <iter> ivx: proftpd is good
[03:12] <donfilipo> sethk there i have 4 sorts of endings which i can edit but can not ad a new one....is that only in my lingo version??? probalby a bug or is there a trick????
[03:12] <elyezer> someone help me with anjuta IDE?
[03:12] <ivx> iter and i have multiple accounts, each one link to a different directory
[03:12] <Zambezi> I just installed a harddrive, but when I tried to format it I got an errormessage. How can I check for sure it's proper connected more than dmesg?
[03:12] <sethk> donfilipo, let me look
[03:12] <ivx> iter *can i
[03:12] <Jeshua> Hm.
[03:12] <iter> ivx: yes of course
[03:13] <elyezer> i need to compile c++ on it but i didn't. because library iostream is show problems
[03:13] <Psi-Jack> Is there an ubuntu equivalent package to debian's libsieve2-dev?
[03:13] <sethk> donfilipo, I'll see if I can discover how to add one.
[03:13] <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to get dbmail 2.1.7 to work on my ubunti-server, with sieve support.
[03:13] <mortal5> j1mc, get one with the atheros chipset
[03:13] <sethk> elyezer, I downloaded and installed the gcc source tarball, and anjuta is happy.  but most people think that's a terrible idea.
[03:14] <ivx> iter well i tried vsftpd and can't figure out how to make it to that... would you say proftp is better than pureftpd
[03:14] <donfilipo> sethk *.SPL, *.FLI, *.QTL, *.SQL are my endings wich are there but avi, wmv work fine not being there?
[03:14] <Jeshua> Anybody? I'm just curious about editing my session menu on my login screen.
[03:14] <jvai> kannix in the ubuntu forums there was another menu theme w/ a niice gmone foot, but u gotta look for it in the posted desktop section, then read it
[03:14] <sethk> donfilipo, there is also a mapping that is part of gnome (or kde, whichever you are running) and not specific to firefox.
[03:14] <sethk> donfilipo, you get to it from the kde control center.  gnome should have something similar.
[03:15] <greenman> I'm trying to mount an exported fs, i get this:  NFS Portmap: RPC: Program not registered
[03:15] <greenman> what does that mean?
[03:15] <donfilipo> sethk aha i will look
[03:16] <mikeconcepts> what is falcon?
[03:16] <mikeconcepts> !falcon
[03:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about falcon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:16] <elyezer> sethk, but when i include a library like iostrem show many errors
[03:17] <Natural_High> hey, can someone help me with an xmms plugin problem?
[03:17] <elyezer> sethk, i need to download the libraries for c++?
[03:17] <georgy> greenman,  : http://www-oss.fnal.gov/projects/fermilinux/common/faq/old/0021.html
[03:17] <Scrape> How do I prevent one network card driver from being loaded in place of another? Blacklisting hostap doesn't seem to work.
[03:18] <sethk> elyezer, I think you need the header files.  you already have the libs, probably
[03:18] <ivx> how do you stop a program from the terminal
[03:18] <LjL> ivx: ctrl+c
[03:18] <sethk> elyezer, look for packages with gcc and dev in the name
[03:18] <sethk> ivx, killall  programname
[03:18] <jvai> back.. the wifi went out in here
[03:19] <jvai> it's too many ppl in this place i'm @
[03:19] <elyezer> sethk, i don't understand
[03:19] <iter> ivx: haven't used pureftpd but either should work
[03:19] <slinky_> i have a problem opening a program from a right click menu
[03:19] <greenman> georgy: so if I'm reading that right, then i have to change hosts.allow on the exporting machine?
[03:19] <elyezer> sethk, i've downloaded g++ yet
[03:19] <sethk> elyezer, I know
[03:19] <iter> ivx: pureftpd claims to work w/no config, so I don't know if that matters to you
[03:19] <sethk> elyezer, there are separate packages, sometimes, for the libraries.  plus...
[03:20] <georgy> greenman, : added the host(s)
[03:20] <sethk> elyezer, executing programs only need the .so files, but to build you also need the headers (iostream, used to be called iostream.h, etc.)
[03:20] <elyezer> sethk, need dev package too?
[03:20] <sethk> elyezer, right, to get the headers
[03:20] <sethk> elyezer, also probably to get debug versions of certain libraries, that sort of thing
[03:20] <elyezer> sethk, sudo apt-get dev???
[03:20] <greenman> georgy: ?  added the host(s) ?
[03:21] <sethk> elyezer, no, you need the entire package name  :)  I'll get you an example
[03:21] <Cadteach> Anyone with experience installing on a mac?
[03:21] <elyezer> sethk, ok
[03:21] <slinky_> i grep-ed the system and can't find my problem, anyone like to help
[03:22] <georgy> greenman, : I mean add the hostmachine in /etc/hosts
[03:22] <greenman> georgy: ah, i shoulda done that anyway.
[03:22] <sethk> elyezer, an example:  package libstdc++6-dev
[03:22] <MrWoo> i just upgraded to edgy, and my all of a sudden my X-server died, I have no gui
[03:22] <sethk> elyezer, run synaptic, click on search, type in libstdc
[03:22] <georgy> greenman : sorry, /etc/host.allow
[03:22] <sethk> elyezer, that will show you all packages with libstdc in the name.
[03:23] <greenman> georgy: *not* /etc/hosts?
[03:23] <elyezer> sethk,  libstdc++-dev
[03:23] <elyezer> ?
[03:23] <georgy> greenman,  : no in /etc/hosts.allow
[03:23] <sethk> elyezer, I have libstdc++6-dev, not libstdc++-dev
[03:24] <slinky_> i don't know where to look to try and solve my problem
[03:24] <w01> anyone know how i can put java in a package to install/everything i've tried doesn't seem to work
[03:24] <sethk> elyezer, use the search.  In fact, use synaptic, it makes life easier.
[03:24] <greenman> so, like this:  ALL: 192.168.1.*/<IP_ADDRESS> ?
[03:24] <elyezer> sethk, i'll try this
[03:24] <whyameye> so dapper and edgy are now sharing this channel? I'm not finding much online resources for edgy and my install suggested lots more bugs than w/ dapper. Are people having success with edgy?
[03:24] <elyezer> sethk, i'm searching... my pc is too bad
[03:25] <bruenig> whyameye, I am having great success with edgy (xubuntu)
[03:25] <sethk> whyameye, edgy has been out for, what, hours?  a few days?  of course it has glitches.
[03:25] <sethk> whyameye, now that edgy is out, I'm going to move to dapper
[03:25] <sandy16> hi there
[03:25] <georgy> greenman, : i guess
[03:25] <sethk> whyameye, which is what you should do unless you _need_ something in edgy.
[03:25] <whyameye> sethk: it's a release. When dapper was released it was already better than breezy
[03:25] <greenman> k
[03:25] <bruenig> sethk, unless you use your desktop for tinkering and messing around with stuff of course
[03:26] <sethk> whyameye, not true, there were many glitches in it.
[03:26] <whyameye> bruenig: you have cups working for you?
[03:26] <bruenig> whyameye, yep
[03:26] <elyezer> sethk, so that is a easy mode to i install anjuta 2.0.2?
[03:26] <sethk> bruenig, sure, but then you expect a few glitches.
[03:26] <sethk> elyezer, sure, you can install it from synaptic.  just search for anjuta, click on it, right click, say install
[03:26] <whyameye> sethk: ok. My experience with dapper was different than yours then.
[03:26] <slinky_> Admiral Chicago: can you try to help me with a problem?
[03:26] <sethk> whyameye, I didn't personally have problems with dapper, I helped many many  people who did.
[03:26] <elyezer> sethk, but i'm using breezy badger
[03:26] <ZehRique> hello, could anyone help me installing grub on my new computer?
[03:27] <sethk> elyezer, that's fine, so am I
[03:27] <ZehRique> PVT me
[03:27] <greenman> georgy: that didn't work
[03:27] <shadowhywind> does anyone know hot to get superkaramba to read net stats?
[03:27] <donfilipo> sethk i can not find it....it is not as somple in gnome as in kde looks like but there is also another thing....if i open *.ram file (real media) normaly from let us say clippboard link it opens ok only if i click a link in firefox browser it opens in a remain of something which did never work....so probably i need to know in wich file exaclty this settings are and edit them manualy old fassion way typing....so is there any expert in firefox?
[03:27] <bobbyyu> My Kubuntu crashed on itself and now I lost the Java path
[03:27] <slinky_> sethk: can you try to help me with a problem?
[03:27] <elyezer> sethk, i'm brazilian you're understanding me good?
[03:27] <bruenig> sethk, your theory of upgrading is very problematic, if everyone follows your theory of wait for a long time and then upgrade, the glitches are never found because nobody uses them and then nobody ever upgrades
[03:27] <bobbyyu> Can someone plesae tell me how to export a java path in Linux?
[03:28] <sandy16> can any body tell me how to restore the loading screen from kubuntu to normal ubuntu?
[03:28] <sethk> bruenig, no, the glitches just aren't found by _me_.  actually, I have two machines I upgrade.  my production boxes I wait.
[03:28] <bruenig> right but if your upgrading strategies are used by everyone, they aren't found by anyone
[03:28] <sethk> bruenig, true, but never fear, there are always tons of people who want it RIGHT NOW  :)
[03:29] <bruenig> right
[03:29] <bruenig> like myself
[03:29] <Lubix> Please Help! on the log off menu there is no Shut Down Computer option i dont know where it went or how to get it back!!!
[03:29] <bruenig> I will be your shield to system failure
[03:29] <slinky_> where do i go to get help?
[03:29] <hayduke> My ATI Radeon 9600 Pro is in an AGP port, but the bustype in the Device Manager says it's pci... also, I can run at 1024x768x24, but the mouse cursor is messed up, and windows lose their content (become all white) until I move them off the screen and back on again...
[03:29] <halo8888> #kalubugan
[03:30] <shadowhywind> anyone know how to get the net stats working in karamba
[03:30] <hayduke> I also have two entries for my video card, Primary and Secondary... these may be referring to the two ports though.
[03:30] <Lubix> Please Help! on the log off menu there is no Shut Down Computer option i dont know where it went or how to get it back!!
[03:30] <bruenig> Lubix, try System>administration>gdm, make sure the box at the bottom is checked. I forgot what it says something like make options visible or something.
[03:30] <slinky_> anyone know how to get a question answered in this channel?
[03:30] <sethk> bruenig, as I said, I do update two machines, and I pound on them heavily.  I just don't give the bleeding edge release to my more ordinary users.
[03:30] <bruenig> Lubix, System>administration>login window*
[03:30] <shadowhywind> slinky_ whats your problem? maybe i can help
[03:30] <slinky_> in the spirit of ubuntu, of course
[03:30] <elyezer> sethk, there are some dependencies when i maked libstdc++6 now i'm installing
[03:31] <sethk> slinky_, there is so much traffic, I've forgotten what your problem is.
[03:31] <sethk> elyezer, ok, dependencies are good, that's how the package manager helps save you tons of work
[03:31] <Psi-Jack> Heh, well, bleh. I just imported a debian deb-source, so I can build libsieve2. :p
[03:32] <bruenig> slinky_, just ask your question
[03:32] <Lubix> awesome >bruenig!
[03:32] <elyezer> sethk, sure
[03:32] <ZehRique> Help installing Ubuntu 6.10 on a computer with 2 HDs!
[03:32] <slinky_> shadowhywind: when i right click on a mp3, the popup menu gives me two entries for "Open with Rhythmbox Music Player" but it i double click on mpe file it gives warning message that mp3 file is a document mp3
[03:32] <Lubix> now my next problem i cant get compiz to open!!
[03:32] <irvin> what is the correct way to disable acpi and enable apm in the kernel?
[03:32] <bruenig> Lubix, go to #ubuntu-xgl
[03:33] <shadowhywind> slinky_ that is werid, have you installed mp3 support?
[03:33] <slinky_> yes
[03:33] <samuel> sup all
[03:33] <georgy> nikin, : hope it's work now
[03:33] <bruenig> !hi
[03:33] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[03:34] <georgy> Greenaman : sorry i have to go sleep some hours
[03:34] <samuel> im trying to get my nvidia card to work for 6.10, but no luck... its a clean install, the VESA driver works fine, but nvidia states "no screens found"? any clues please?
[03:34] <firebird619> I just installed MythTV on Edgy and it is working good, but one question is how do I setup the channel guide to get correct information, and also, it works on the mythtv account, but what do I do to get it working on the user account I usually use for everything else?
[03:35] <bruenig> !nvidia | samuel
[03:35] <ubotu> samuel: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:35] <jvai> what's mythtv?? i keep hearing bout it
[03:35] <samuel> bruenig, thanks, ill give that a try
[03:36] <bruenig> jvai, mythtv is like tivo from what I understand, I am sure a quick wikipedia ought to do a lot of help
[03:36] <georgy> night all
[03:36] <kitche> jvai: sorta like Windows Media Center but with just the tv part and better
[03:36] <jvai> oo ok to the wiki i go.. ty soo much bruenig
[03:36] <elyezer> sethk, good now is compiling, thank you for all
[03:36] <sethk> elyezer, np, good luck
[03:37] <jvai> soo, mythtv, can stream my hbo show "the wire"?
[03:37] <mirak> how to enable the hibernating mode ?
[03:37] <slinky_> shadowhywind: where can i look to find file extension associations?
[03:38] <shadowhywind> i don't know, i am sorry. its a long shot, have you tried to open the mp3 up with say amarok?
[03:38] <slinky_> shadowhywind:no, but at this point i'll try anything, thanks
[03:38] <elyezer> sethk, there are a mode to i put number on lines in anjuta?
[03:39] <slinky_> shadowhywind: i've been programming since 1964 but new to linux, this appears to be a system uninstall problem
[03:39] <shadowhywind> oh
[03:39] <iratsu> should i be using this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup to set up bluetooth?
[03:40] <iratsu> it doesn't mention gnome-bluetooth
[03:40] <shadowhywind> anyone good with superkaramba?
[03:40] <sethk> elyezer, there is, but I don't remember it off the top of my head.  I don't have it running here, it's on my machine at work.
[03:40] <sethk> elyezer, look for it, it's there somewhere
[03:40] <elyezer> sethk, ok thank you so much
[03:41] <frederick85> Does anybody know which application is a good GUI frontend for MYSQL admin
[03:41] <Flannel> frederick85: isn't MySQL admin a GUI frontend?
[03:41] <firebird619> Can anyone tell me how to setup mythtv so that it gets the correct channel guide information, right now it shows Unknown for everything?
[03:42] <frederick85> Flannel: i'll try running it from the console
[03:42] <kitche> Flannel no it's not a gui frontend
[03:42] <samuel> how am i supposed to know what my nvidia card is? http://pastebin.ca/231876 i have an nvidia geforce 6500... but it doesnt seem to show there
[03:42] <slinky_> shadowhywind: thanks for your help, i'm going to reformat and reinstall everything, been 5 days trying to solve this, only takes an hour to reinstall, thanks again
[03:42] <tehbrandon> http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.3
[03:42] <shadowhywind> i hate to see you do that
[03:43] <tehbrandon> ^ Good information for mythtv listings
[03:43] <anderbubble> is there any way to set the volume label of a fat/vfat partition without mtools?
[03:43] <shadowhywind> what did amarok say?
[03:43] <D00B3Y`> please help!!! http://pastebin.ca/231875 ... I added the repositories and everything!!!
[03:43] <anderbubble> and if not, how do I do it with mtools?
[03:43] <frederick85> Flannel: Mysql Console is a console program, i'm looking for something like  GTK prog or something
[03:43] <Flannel> frederick85: MySQL has a GUI frontend... "MySQL Query Browser" is the real name, I suppose
[03:43] <kitche> samuel: those are just your chipset you have a nvidia chipset in your computer?
[03:43] <slinky_> shadowhywind, so do i but ... unknown error, unknown resolution
[03:43] <samuel> kitche, apparently
[03:43] <shadowhywind> thats werid, have you got any sound working?
[03:43] <D00B3Y`> does anyone know?
[03:44] <Gevaudan82> Flannel: there's the gui mysqladmin and a console mysqladmin...the former is basically to edit users, set permissions, and import/export dumps...the console can basically do everything that the gui can do
[03:44] <kitche> samuel: you have to install the video driver still if that's what you want to install
[03:44] <Flannel> frederick85: and, then 'MySQL Administrator', is for administration
[03:44] <samuel> kitche, i also have an nvidia graphics card, could it be X is crashing because it doesnt know what one?
[03:44] <D00B3Y`> please someone help me?
[03:45] <slinky_> shadowhywind: sound plays if i select Open with Rhythmbox but fails if i double click on mp3 file, says "its n mp3 document" Warning...
[03:45] <kitche> samuel: no see what driver your X is using it's most likely using vesa if you didn't install the binary driver or enable the nv driver
[03:45] <frederick85> Flannel: most servers don't bother running X so you need to be specific about MYSQL I think
[03:45] <Flannel> D00B3Y`: #ubuntu-xgl for XGL/compiz related support
[03:46] <shadowhywind> slinky_ so your sound works perfecly fine, just not on opening?
[03:46] <iratsu> why is hidd --search unable to find my bluetooth device?
[03:46] <Flannel> frederick85: it doesn't need to be on that server, you can use MySQL Adminstrator/Query Browser from a remote machine, they're separate programs
[03:46] <donfilipo> anyone knows in wich file mozilla&firefox have written with what helper application they should open *.ram streams (real media)????
[03:46] <slinky_> shadowhywind, well it did before i uninstalled everything
[03:46] <samuel> kitche, its using vesa, ive tried to get nvidia working but no luck so far... i just read i need the specific kernel for my cpu... so ill install that first then see what i see
[03:46] <D00B3Y`> Flannel, thanks
[03:46] <shadowhywind> slinky_ what do you mean everything?
[03:47] <frederick85> Flannel: what is the name of the Query Browser?
[03:47] <frederick85> Flannel: in my case I want it on the same machine, my purpose is just for testing
[03:47] <Flannel> frederick85: "MySQL Query Browser" : http://mysql.com/products/tools/
[03:47] <Flannel> frederick85: right, but they're entirely independant of each other
[03:48] <frederick85> Flannel: thanks
[03:48] <slinky_> shadowhywind: music player, totem , all codecs and mp3 stuff, reinstalled only ubuntu desktop, totem, music player and gstreamer, but still end up wuth two entries in popup menu when right clicking to play file
[03:48] <frederick85> Flannel: so I type sudo apt-get install "Mysql query browser"
[03:49] <Flannel> frederick85: no, I have no idea what the package name is.  Or even if it is one.  Let me look.
[03:49] <sanmarcos> frederick85: apt-cache search mysql query browser, see the package name
[03:49] <shadowhywind> sliny_ i asumed you tried to rightclick on the file, select your program and say always open with that program
[03:49] <frederick85> flannel: i asked my good friend google
[03:50] <Flannel> frederick85: "mysql-admin" : http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/admin/mysql-admin
[03:50] <slinky_> shadowhywind: with everything uninstalled comletely including configuration files i still get one entry to Open with Rhythmbox music player
[03:50] <frederick85> sanmarcos: that search method isn't as reliable as google I find
[03:50] <Flannel> frederick85: and "mysql-query-browser"
[03:50] <shadowhywind> oh, that is a little over my head
[03:50] <sanmarcos> frederick85: you have to know how to use it, --names-only. and grepping out, using quotes
[03:50] <sanmarcos> frederick85: just as google, brother.
[03:50] <slinky_> sharowhywind: that works fine if i reinstall everything but i get two entries in menu and an error if i double click on mp3 file
[03:51] <Flannel> frederick85: or, since you're using a GUI, search in synaptic.
[03:51] <slinky_> shadowhywind: i can not get rid of the last Open with Rhythmbox Music Player in the popup menu every after uninstalling
[03:52] <oblib> I just updated to Edgy -- does anyone know why emacs can no longer find a good font?
[03:52] <Scrape> Anyone help me solve some issues with a wireless net card under xubuntu?
[03:52] <sanmarcos> oblib: because emacs doenst use xft/fontconfig
[03:53] <sanmarcos> !doesnt work > Scrape
[03:53] <kitche> Scrape: chipset of your wireless card?
[03:53] <ppmstr> hell with ati drivers.
[03:54] <Scrape> kitche: Prism2, I believe. It's a D-Link SWL-650. It works w/ the orinoco_cs driver... EXCEPT... it generates a lot of TX timeouts, especially when I try to print to remote print server... enough that I can't actually print.
[03:54] <slinky_> shadowhywind: I'll move my data files over to a windows drive and i'll reinstall ubuntu, something is wrong in a configuration file and i just dont know where to look yet, thank you very much for your help
[03:54] <JuJuBee> I thought that I would get Firefox 2.0 if I upgraded to edgy?
[03:54] <JuJuBee> I still have <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:54] <ppmstr> I'm currently trying to use fglrx with no success for an ati radeon X1600... anyone can provide a hand? xorg error logs reports several io allocations errors... (if you want I can post the log on some pastebin)
[03:55] <mirak> aptitude wants to remove fspot and such, I don't understand why
[03:55] <jstarcher> Anyone good with GRUB? I have a windows partition that I want to reformat to a linux FS but I think it will mess up my boot config
[03:55] <mirak> now aptitude wants to remove mysql, that's insane
[03:55] <shadowhywind> hope your problem is fixed after the reinstall, sometimes that is the best, before we start pulling hair out
[03:56] <Psi-Jack> Okay, for PostgreSQL 8.1, what's the main admin user set to, in Ubuntu?
[03:56] <shadowhywind> anyone use karamba
[03:56] <slinky_> shadowhywind: i so much agree, thanks again
[03:56] <ppmstr> anyone can help with that sort of classic ati driver config problem
[03:57] <kitche> jstarcher: it won't mess up the config really
[03:57] <ppmstr> For myself I'm getting quite sick of it.
[03:57] <Scrape> W/ no files in /etc/pcmcia by default, how does Ubuntu figure out what driver to load for a given PCMCIA card?
[03:57] <kitche> Scape: ok have you tried a different channel by chance for your card and router? to make sure there isn't something interfereing with them
[03:57] <teledyn> Scrape: could there be radio interference from a nearby AP on the same channel?
[03:58] <kholer>  I tried camorama but get error "Could not connect to video device (/dev/video1). Please check connection." I'm using the edgy livecd on a laptop with a webcam. ANy siggestions?
[03:58] <jstarcher> kitche: I have windows on the primary boot partition and linux on a logical partition. I won't have a boot partition if I format the windows partition. It will still work?
[03:58] <Scrape> kitche: I have two laptops... one does just fine, the other doesn't. Identical setups, except for the cards.
[03:58] <Scrape> Identical configs, I should say, not identical laptops.
[03:59] <kitche> jstarcher: well /boot in linux should be a primary partition so it might mess up if your boot isn't on a primary partition
[03:59] <variant> wtf is it with azureus? its been broken for months and noone will fi it
[03:59] <glombool> !nvidia-glx
[03:59] <variant> fix*
[03:59] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8774+<IP_ADDRESS>-11 (edgy), package size 3970 kB, installed size 12312 kB
[03:59] <Scrape> I'm trying alternate drivers for the card. Hostap_cs is worse than orinoco_cs. O
[03:59] <teledyn> Scrape: maybe one card is higher powered than the other?
[03:59] <Scrape> I'd like to try wlan-ng, but can't figure out how to make it work. I've blacklisted orinoco and hostap so they don't load, but still no luck.
[03:59] <Scrape> teledyn: I'm 10 feet from the router.
[04:00] <jstarcher> kitche: I think I made grub on my MBR though. I can't seem to find a config file. There are some files in /boot but not grub.conf
[04:00] <Scrape> teledyn: And, it worked fine under Win98.
[04:00] <kitche> jstarcher: /boot/grub/menu.lst is what you want
[04:00] <shadowhywind> variant what is wrong with azureus
[04:00] <teledyn> Scrape: maybe an issue with the driver.  i don't know.
[04:00] <variant> shadowhywind: nm, i see that the bug was fixed recently :P#
[04:01] <Scrape> teledyn: that's what I'm figuring. Trying to use alternate drivers, but can't get wlan-ng to work.
[04:01] <ppmstr> ah fuck off this ati shit... forums are cracking with unanswered post with people trying to get their card working,,, Feels like I have better things to do than figure out why there are bad i/o allocation for my divers...
[04:01] <jvai> mythtv is too heavy for me, i installed then uninstalled, i ran into dependency probs on the install
[04:01] <jstarcher> kitche: ahhhh thanks!
[04:01] <nikin> what program should i use for remote accesing X?
[04:01] <me> hello
[04:01] <me> everybody
[04:01] <variant> ppmstr: mind your language, and thats what youget iwth proprietry drivers :P
[04:01] <teledyn> Scrape: you could always build wlan-ng from source and load it manualy
[04:01] <kitche> jstarcher: but the formating the windows shouldn't effect grub since it has nothing to do with windows since it sits on the linux partiton
[04:01] <oblib> sanmarcos, can I fix it?
[04:01] <teledyn> Scrape: just modprobe -r  the other modules
[04:01] <sanmarcos> oblib: get emacs cvs
[04:02] <jstarcher> kitche: so when I delete the primary dos partition do I leave the boot tag on it?
[04:02] <ppmstr> variant: As far as I know nvidia are not quite open drivers though, they work.
[04:02] <blaze> Hello all
[04:02] <me> today I have installed ubuntu, when I installed ubuntu with DVDI got sopport for my reader of cards, but now I installed with CD and I did not get it, what do I have to do?
[04:02] <Scrape> teledyn: The module is loaded, but it doesn't seem to see the device.
[04:02] <jstarcher> kitche: remember that's the one that has windows. I will be splitting it into a couple smaller partitions as well
[04:02] <ppmstr> anyways,... spent to much time on that.
[04:02] <variant> ppmstr: they are certainly not open, and they have thier own share of problems
[04:02] <Scrape> Do PCMCIA modules have to be associated with the device ID somehow, or should it, if it's loaded, automagically find it's device.
[04:02] <variant> pprandom lockups to name one
[04:02] <teledyn> Scrape: did you install linux-wlan-ng
[04:03] <Scrape> teledyn: yes. Doesn't seem to do anything.
[04:03] <blaze> I am just getting ubuntu running for the first time, and I was wondering if any one could point me in the right direction to find ubuntu resources
[04:03] <kitche> teledyn: I checked wlan-ng supported devices and it seems like Scrape's card isn't supported
[04:03] <teledyn> Scrape: the module loads.  can you ifconfig the device up?
[04:03] <ryjax> anyone ever get a 'received broken pipe signal' error when configuring cvs for sending emails?
[04:03] <me> today I have installed ubuntu, when I installed ubuntu with DVDI got sopport for my reader of cards, but now I installed with CD and I did not get it, what do I have to do?
[04:03] <oblib> sanmarcos, do you know if emacs will be fixed in Ubuntu eventuallly, or will I always have to compile on my own?
[04:04] <kitche> jstarcher: well grub doesn't care really what partition is tagged as bootable really
[04:04] <Scrape> teledyn: nope
[04:04] <kholer> can someone help me with getitng my webcam working? I tried camorama but it gets an error
[04:04] <me> today I have installed ubuntu, when I installed ubuntu with DVDI got sopport for my reader of cards, but now I installed with CD and I did not get it, what do I have to do?
[04:04] <sanmarcos> oblib: its not about fixing, nothing is broken. A feature is not supported
[04:04] <sanmarcos> oblib: and distros do not include CVS versions in most cases, try #emacs
[04:04] <cam_> does anyone know if there will be a 686 kernel for edgy. becasue the 386 is really slow!
[04:05] <teledyn> Scrape: i don't know if maybe there's some parameter on the card you can tweak with the prism driver using the iwpriv command
[04:05] <me> today I have installed ubuntu, when I installed ubuntu with DVDI got sopport for my reader of cards, but now I installed with CD and I did not get it, what do I have to do?
[04:05] <oblib> sanmarcos, so do I need to enable something specifically before I 'make' the CVS version? and why did it work before but doesn't now?
[04:05] <kholer> me: I'm no quite sure what you mean..
[04:06] <kholer> me: you have a card reader and its not working?
[04:06] <sanmarcos> oblib: I dont use emacs.
[04:06] <me> kholer: my card reader does not work
[04:07] <me> today I have installed ubuntu, when I installed ubuntu with DVDI got sopport for my reader of cards, but now I installed with CD and I did not get it, what do I have to do?
[04:07] <kelten> How do I see what permissions each file has in a folder?
[04:07] <cam_> yes we can see the message me: but you need to explain it a bit better
[04:07] <MTecknology> What was the command to monitor the data a device is processing? I tried cat /dev/ttyS1 to 7 but got an error "cat: /dev/ttyS1: Input/output error"
[04:07] <oblib> sanmarcos, 'CVS version' of a program usually just means the most recent, possible exerimental, version, right?
[04:07] <teledyn> kelten: ls -l
[04:08] <zanophol> I have installed edgy with gnome and kde. When I login, I have huge fonts for login and password...is there something I need to change in my xorg.conf, since this seems independent of gnome or kde?
[04:08] <me> cam_: my cards reader does not work
[04:08] <kitche> MTecknology: is it a terminal device?
[04:08] <kelten> Whats the command to find out what distro im running and what version
[04:08] <sanmarcos> oblib: cvs head, yes, I suggest you #emacs, again
[04:08] <MTecknology> kitche, it's a stylus
[04:08] <me> I insert a sd and it does not work
[04:08] <MTecknology> that i'm trying to monitor
[04:08] <ryjax> if i'm in the wrong channel for cvs help, can someone tell me where to go pls?
[04:08] <wladston> I'm facing a bug on firefox. I'm on edgy. It will only show up pages when I redimension my window
[04:08] <kitche> kelten: uname -a will show you all the information you want
[04:09] <kelten> It jsut says Linux though
[04:09] <teledyn> kelten: lsb_release -a
[04:09] <kelten> okay, thanks
[04:09] <sethk> kelten, that tells you info about the kernel, really, nothing else
[04:09] <cam_> mme: any output from dmesg after inputing a card?
[04:09] <reverseblade> how can i switch to metacity as default with beryl ?
[04:09] <oblib> sanmarcos, but this seems to be a problem with the Ubuntu package -- it worked in Dapper, but doesn't in Edgy. It seems like a distro shouldn't distribute a bad package...
[04:09] <sethk> kelten, I was talking about uname, not about lsb_....
[04:10] <sanmarcos> oblib: its free, dont complain
[04:10] <wladston> noone can help me to fix firefox ??
[04:10] <sethk> oblib, then we wouldn't have anybody to help here
[04:10] <MTecknology> kitche, do you know?
[04:10] <kelten> ya, i know
[04:10] <wladston> wow
[04:10] <sanmarcos> oblib: fix it yourself, thats the motto
[04:10] <kitche> MTecknology: nope
[04:10] <wladston> not it asked me to report a bug
[04:10] <MTecknology> damn
[04:10] <wladston> ok
[04:11] <oblib> sanmarcos, not everyone can do that (but I suppose people who can't woudln't be using emacs) so it makes sense to try to fix the package. Is this worth filing a bug on?
[04:11] <oblib> sethk, what do you mean?
[04:11] <sanmarcos> oblib: yes it is worth, and people who can do use emacs a lot
[04:11] <babo> guys, does the ubuntu ff installation come with the DOM inspector on it ?
[04:12] <cam_> riversblade: i think you are confused, metacity and beryl are do the same thing. You can only be using one or the other
[04:12] <jrib> babo: install firefox-dom-inspector package
[04:12] <oblib> sanmarcos, I guess my question really is "Is emacs broken in Edgy, or is it likely something specific only to my set up"?
[04:12] <mjbjr> it seems to me that if you're "unixy" enough to use emacs, you're "unixy" enough to be using a "real" linux distro   ;)
[04:12] <sethk> oblib, I wasn't being serious.
[04:12] <oblib> sanmarcos, do you know if it is universally broken in edgy?
[04:13] <babo> thanks
[04:13] <sanmarcos> oblib: dont use emacs, and its called edgy for a reason
[04:13] <sethk> oblib, seems unlikely, since it hasn't changed in ages, but I can't be certain.
[04:13] <ianmacgregor> emacs is a nice OS.
[04:14] <kitche> ianmacgregor: yeah the text editor is nice also :)
[04:14] <teledyn> oblib: check to see if there are any outstanding bugs matching yours
[04:14] <oblib> Is anyone else having problems here with emacs in Edgy?
[04:15] <oblib> teledyn, is there an easy way to do that, or do I just need to search Launchpad?
[04:15] <teledyn> oblib: i don't know, but imagine there's some ubuntu page where you can search for bugs by package
[04:15] <Farnaby> oblib, I haven't had any problems with emacs yet but I don't use it much
[04:16] <oblib> Farnaby, can you pull it up in Gnome and see letters? All I'm getting is boxes (bad font)
[04:17] <Farnaby> oblib, I was able to a while ago, yeah
[04:17] <oblib> Farnaby, in Edgy?
[04:18] <Farnaby> I beieve I pulled it up sunday morning which is after I converted yeah
[04:18] <Farnaby> believe even
[04:18] <hocmin> I'm having problems getting mp3 support with a fresh install of ubuntu.  Most sites I find searching suggesting installing various gstreamer packages, but that doesn't seem to be helping
[04:19] <whyameye> hocmin did you try:
[04:19] <whyameye> !restricted formats
[04:19] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:19] <Farnaby> hocmin, one of the two problems I have found since I upgraded to edgy is that quark no longer seems to be willing to play MP3 files
[04:19] <hocmin> whyameye: no, but I'll take a look at those.  Thanks
[04:19] <oblib> Okay, looks like someone's reported a bug already : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xfontsel/+bug/57803
[04:21] <Farnaby> The other issue I am having is that my screensaver is fubared
[04:21] <Fracture> hi.  I keep getting "Message from syslogd@localhost" etc.. messages in every console on my machine.  How can I stop this ?
[04:21] <hocmin> whyameye, taking a quick look at those pages it appears that it's suggesting I convert all my mp3's to ogg?
[04:21] <Farnaby> And FF is now seeming to crash a lot, odd
[04:21] <dibblego> when upgrading I got into trouble with apt-get and samba - http://rafb.net/paste/results/sjqsTh39.html - how do I resolve it?
[04:23] <swiz> I just upgraded to 6.10, and my network seems to be borked.  I can return pings from sites, but I can't make any sort of connection (http, ssh, ftp) to any location.  Any ideas?
[04:24] <whyameye> hocmin: I think it's there, interspersed with the ogg stuff.
[04:26] <kmasta> ok what the crap, i just upgraded to edgy and now X server has crashed, it says it cant find my video drivers
[04:26] <Farnaby> I just realised that it won't let me download libggi2 for edgy...
[04:27] <kitche> kmasta: try installing your driver for your video card should be sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-<driver>
[04:27] <Farnaby> wonder if thats whats causing my screensaver bork
[04:28] <neonempyr> Quicksilver-like app launcher for Ubuntu?
[04:28] <swiz> just upgraded to edgy, but I have a network issue.  All of my pings are returned, but I cannot make a tcp or udp connection of any type (ssh, http, etc).  any ideas?
[04:28] <kmasta> kitche, it was working just fine with dapper though
[04:29] <kitche> kmasta: try reinstalling the video driver though it might fix your problem
[04:29] <neonempyr> swiz are you wireless?
[04:29] <Farnaby> Does anybody else use quark?
[04:30] <kmasta> kitche, am I supposed to put like ATI where you wrote driver
[04:30] <neonempyr> swiz: are you wireless?
[04:30] <kitche> kmasta: yes if you have an ati card
[04:30] <kmasta> kitche, well in that case it says I already have the latest version
[04:30] <kitche> kmasta: if your using the binary driver you have to reinstall it since edgy uses a different kernel then dapper
[04:30] <swiz> neonempyr: no, wired lan.  worked fine in 6.06 and in a dualboot on another os, so its not the network itself.
[04:30] <jvai> neonempyr, swiz left
[04:31] <kmasta> kitche: i have no idea what that is, Iwas just using the ATI driver that  came with dapper
[04:31] <jvai> oop there he is
[04:31] <swiz> i did?
[04:31] <AlanHaggai> I had used the synaptic manager to download kubuntu-desktop and all the dependencies. I downloaded all of it and didn't install. How to install it now?
[04:31] <neonempyr> swiz: Are you pinging domains or your router?
[04:31] <kmasta> kitche: i noticed the driver in xorg.conf was set to vesa, i set it to ATI and thats still didn'twork
[04:31] <kitche> kmasta: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and pastebin it if you can
[04:31] <Farnaby> GDI. Gnome screensaver is still borked. Won't let me select another screensaver other then BioF. When I try I have to forcequit
[04:31] <jvai> aftr the question about quartz, it said u left swiz
[04:31] <swiz> neonempyr: i checked the router and other machines on the local netork, and machines on the internet itself
[04:32] <neonempyr> swiz: are your domains resolving to an IP address when you ping?
[04:32] <swiz> neonempyr: yes
[04:32] <kmasta> kitche, hold on onesecond don'tmove
[04:32] <kitche> jvai he did part then he returned right after probably swiz just hit a wrong key
[04:32] <jvai> oo ok
[04:33] <neonempyr> swiz: so your other apps don't have internet access then, right? nothing else?
[04:33] <Rav|strangler> is there an .chm viewer on linux?
[04:33] <kitche> kmasta just say my name and my client will beep sicne I m sorta watching tv at the moment but don't mind helping since I have tv on my computer
[04:33] <Rav|strangler> or built in to ubuntu
[04:33] <swiz> neonempyr: as far as I can tell, nothing network related past pings works.  i can't connect to anything besides pings.  but it gets better.
[04:34] <AlanHaggai> ok friends, found it :)
[04:34] <kmasta> kitche; ok i got it
[04:34] <obo12> Anyone here proficient with vim?
[04:34] <swiz> neonempyr: i upgraded earlier today, and things were working fine.  i was doing some tasks, and great.  then this problem struck.  but i had just done a clean install, so i figured i must hve messed something up, so ill save time and just reinstall pure.
[04:34] <whyameye> Rav|strangler, try gnochm. I think it's in the ubuntu repos.
[04:34] <Rav|strangler> oh ok thanks
[04:34] <kmasta> kitche: what am I looking for
[04:34] <swiz> neonempyr: but ive had the same problem on 3 vanilla installs since.
[04:34] <AlanHaggai> Ho obo12
[04:35] <AlanHaggai> Hi
[04:35] <kitche> kmasta: look for any errors mostly lines that start with EE is probably where you find what is wrong
[04:35] <neonempyr> swiz: I had a similar problem with my ethernet when I installed dapper, let alone edgy. my router appeared to be fine just like you
[04:35] <obo12> AlanHaggai: Hello
[04:35] <Perissatto> i have worked with vim at long time.
[04:35] <kmasta> (EE) no drivers available
[04:35] <neonempyr> swiz: did you happen to have your ethernet unplugged when you installed?
[04:35] <MrProper_> Hey all, im having a problem with edgy and rdesktop, screen refreshes are borked. if i drag another window over an rdesktop/tsclient window, it will not refresh that section
[04:35] <swiz> neonempyr: no, plugged in
[04:35] <AlanHaggai> obo12 : what is the problem?
[04:35] <kmasta> kitche
[04:36] <kmasta> kitche (EE) failed to load module "fglrx"
[04:36] <kitche> kmasta: ah you have to reinstall the binary driver
[04:36] <obo12> I'm using vim to transparently edit gpg files via the .vimrc file at http://www.vi-improved.org/wiki/index.php/VimGpg
[04:36] <kmasta> kitche: what the hell, why?
[04:36] <obo12> This has worked fine on Fedora before
[04:36] <kitche> kmasta: as I said edgy uses a different kernel then dapper
[04:37] <neonempyr> swiz: under System > Admin. > Networking , what are your DNS servers?
[04:37] <kmasta> kitche, ok how do i reinstall binaries
[04:37] <obo12> but edgy is giving me some issues
[04:37] <MrProper_> kmasta: sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:37] <swiz> neonempyer: not sure, id have to reboot in and get back to you on that one.  should i?
[04:37] <obo12> 7 lines filtered
[04:37] <obo12> shell returned 2
[04:37] <obo12> 138 lines filtered
[04:37] <obo12> Error detected while processing BufRead Auto commands for "*.gpg":
[04:37] <obo12> E121: Undefined variable: ch_save
[04:37] <obo12> E15: Invalid expression: ch_save|unlet ch_save
[04:37] <Xenguy> obo12: could you just decrypt, then edit?
[04:37] <obo12> E20: Mark not set
[04:37] <tritium> kmasta: sudo apt-get install --reinstall <packagename>
[04:37] <AlanHaggai> obo12 : oh I see!!! Sorry. I don't know that :(
[04:37] <swiz> neonmpyer: i think theyre coming from my ISP but im not sure
[04:38] <obo12> Xenguy: Yes but thats a hassle. The transparency is the whole point really ...
[04:38] <kitche> kmasta: the package name is xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:38] <eegore> Has anyone had isssues with ubuntu when playing UT and choppy performance when hitting a server?
[04:38] <neonempyr> swiz: Right well your DNS should be. One sec before you reboot
[04:38] <Xenguy> obo12: Mmm
[04:38] <blaze> Hey all
[04:38] <kmasta> kitche, so what do I type
[04:38] <nardis_miles> has anyone worked with the new version of fstab?
[04:38] <kmasta> suod apt-get install xorg-dirver-fglrx
[04:38] <kitche> sudo apt-get install --reinstall xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:38] <Perissatto> what software i need use for work with bluetooth cellphones on ubuntu?
[04:38] <obo12> It decrypts, allows you to edit and re-encrypt the file again, all from vim
[04:38] <blaze> When I try to update my software preferences to alter my repoisitories it always fails when trying to reciveve the package lists
[04:39] <disasm> hey, off topic, but does anyone know a good freenode channel to get help with posix compliant c code?
[04:39] <neonempyr> swiz: check to see if you have servers in that DNS tab I just mentioned and try again your internet apps
[04:39] <MrProper_> Perissatto, sudo apt-get install gnome-bluetooth
[04:39] <Xenguy> obo12: one step I assume - sweet
[04:39] <MrProper_> Hey all, im having a problem with edgy and rdesktop, screen refreshes are borked. if i drag another window over an rdesktop/tsclient window, it will not refresh that section
[04:39] <kmasta> kitche, this problem sucks, why would ubuntu do somethign like this, I thought they took care of everything when i did the upgrade
[04:39] <obo12> Xenguy: Yeah really neat.
[04:39] <swiz> neonempyr: ok, bb in roughly 5 or so
[04:39] <obo12> Now that I can't do it, I relize how much I miss it
[04:39] <MrProper_> kmasta, not really fglrx is a binary piece of poo
[04:40] <kitche> kmasta: well the binary drivers are like that for all the distros
[04:40] <neonempyr> Why does fglrx have to suck so much
[04:40] <Farnaby> Hrm, it appears that my xine libs got borked in the upgrade as well
[04:40] <MrProper_> kmasta, if you dont want to have to do this, just switch the driver to 'ati' instead of 'fglrx'
[04:40] <neonempyr> and Why did I buy a laptop with an ATI card in it?
[04:40] <kmasta> kitche: i tried that
[04:40] <MrProper_> neonempyr, well its made by ati thats explanation enough
[04:41] <kmasta> kitche, i was originally set to vesa, then I changed it to ATI
[04:41] <neonempyr> Couldn't have said it better
[04:41] <kitche> kmasta: well fglrx is not ati ati is Xorg
[04:41] <MrProper_> neonempyr, im just hoping the fact that amd bought them means changes for us
[04:41] <neonempyr> MrProper_, I'm hoping as well
[04:41] <Farnaby> argh, this screensaver issue is annoying
[04:42] <MrProper_> fglrx still comes from ati regardless of the fact that xorg package it
[04:42] <kmasta> kitche: i guess i'm just used to being spoiled with windows where when I update Idon't have change a bunch of stuff I had no idea I had to change when I upgrade
[04:42] <kitche> MrProper_: umm ati is xorg's open source wrapper
[04:42] <neonempyr> They're just scared they stepped on a patent
[04:42] <neonempyr> Anyone have any opinions on their favorite laptop in terms of compatibility with ubuntu?
[04:42] <student> hai felipe
[04:42] <MrProper_> kitche, we werent talking about the 'ati' driver, we were talking about the 'fglrx' driver
[04:43] <obo12> So do we have any VIM experts in the house?
[04:43] <necrite> hello
[04:43] <MrProper_> obo12, whats your prob?
[04:43] <student> are u shit in me?
[04:43] <Xenguy> obo12: check out #vim
[04:43] <kitche> MrProper_: umm ubuntu calls it xorg-driver-fglrx not Xorg Xorgh doesn't package fglrx
[04:43] <necrite> hello
[04:43] <student> hai
[04:43] <obo12> I'm using vim to transparently edit gpg files via the .vimrc file at http://www.vi-improved.org/wiki/index.php/VimGpg
[04:43] <swiz> neonempyr: dns was the local ip address of my router, which compred to another machine on the network, is set as appropo
[04:43] <student> u son of a bitch
[04:44] <obo12> Xenguy: Need to register or some shit like that
[04:44] <Xenguy> student: be quiet
[04:44] <MrProper_> kitche, regardless, fglrx really comes from ATI
[04:44] <student> dalok
[04:44] <swiz> neonempyr: but now, i'm back in edgy and things seem to be working.  FM
[04:44] <nardis_miles> Has anyone looked at /etc/fstab in edgy? If so, do you understand how to edit it?
[04:44] <neonempyr> swiz: oh so you're working all right in edgy then?
[04:44] <kitche> MrProper_: yes it does but you got what I said wrong
[04:44] <obo12> MrProper_: It worked in Fedora, but won't in edgy
[04:44] <lazzareth> Gday
[04:44] <swiz> neonempyr: yeah, but its fkn magic.  i dont understand why it wasnt working before, but magically is now, after 3 reinstalls and a dozen or so reboots.
[04:44] <kmasta> question: why do I have to manually update fglrx, shouldn't that be something ubuntu takes care of when it tells me that it's updating everything for me
[04:44] <neonempyr> of course it doesn't really matter what wraps what does it?
[04:44] <MrProper_> kitche, hehe possibly, its been a long day
[04:44] <neonempyr> fglrx still pretty much sucks a butt
[04:45] <neonempyr> swiz: I had the same deal, couldn't pin it down
[04:45] <MrProper_> yeah
[04:45] <MrProper_> god i wish my work gave me an nvidia laptop.....ati just fuels my annoyances at them
[04:45] <swiz> kind of funny -- im trying to prepare a presentation for tomorrow, and this is the absolute worst time for something like this to happen.  i was more than a little peeved.  thanks for the help.
[04:45] <kmasta> oh hell yes, it works
[04:45] <neonempyr> swiz: was hoping we could figure something out; I'm sure it's something simple but deceptively...deceptive. glad it's working
[04:45] <whyameye> kmasta: what DID it do? switch you over to the ATI opensource drivers?
[04:46] <minerale> what's the name of the default ftp server that comes with ubuntu?
[04:46] <swiz> neonempyr: exactly.  and its not even something that you can easily google or look for.  i only found one pertinent response, and it was an unanswered forum thread regarding a similar issue.
[04:46] <Xenguy> minerale: I recommend vsftpd
[04:46] <kitche> whyameye: no kmasta had to reinstall fglrx since an upgrade changes kernel
[04:46] <neonempyr> All we can do is pray for the day that ATI and NVidia both will care that we get pissed off about this stuff. One solution: WORLD DOMINATION
[04:46] <Farnaby> also, if I don't get quark sorted I am going to get real peeved at NIN since thats all I have in OGG
[04:46] <whyameye> kitche: so it didn't change his xorg.conf file when he upgraded?
[04:47] <kitche> whyameye: no it did not
[04:47] <kmasta> kitche: WHY DIDN'T IT CHANGE THAT FILE
[04:47] <minerale> xenguy: I'm looking for the ftp serer with the lowest overheaed
[04:47] <Xenguy> minerale: it is very lean and fast
[04:47] <jvai> gn all, i gotta get home.
[04:47] <Xenguy> minerale: moreso than proftpd or wu
[04:48] <MrProper_> kitche, do this: aticonfig --initial && aticonfig enable
[04:48] <kitche> kmasta: well don't think the xorg package has a xorg.conf in it since it does autodetection
[04:49] <MrProper_> kitche, this will rewrite your xorg.conf to use the correct ati crap
[04:49] <kitche> MrProper_: sorry but I m a nvidia user :)
[04:49] <kmasta> kitche: what does that mean
[04:49] <MrProper_> oops that was meant for kmasta
[04:49] <MadHatte1> hey, has anyone put ubuntu on a dell latitude D820 before?
[04:49] <kmasta> kitche: why didn't the auto detection work
[04:49] <MrProper_> or whoever had the problem with fglrx
[04:50] <slappy1986> Can/Will anybody here help me with geting a wireless card working on my powerbook?
[04:50] <kmasta> yea,i had the problem with fglrx
[04:50] <kitche> kmasta: xorg will write it's own config if it doesn't see one already in /etc/X11 with vesa or ati depending if you had the ati driver installed
[04:50] <kmasta> and when i upgraded the kernel it forgot to cary over my xorg.conf file
[04:51] <kmasta> and when i upgraded the kernel it forgot to cary over my xorg.conf file
[04:51] <whyameye> does anybody use clamav and is there any point to using it?
[04:51] <kmasta> the xorg.conf that worked that is
[04:51] <kmasta> correct kitche?
[04:51] <kitche> kmasta: no your xorg.conf had fglrx which the new kernel didn't know that it was installed since it needs ot be compiled against the new kernel
[04:51] <MistaED> what the hell? ubuntu is stuffing around today i can't click on something properly until i go to like a tty and back to xorg and even then only some things will click
[04:52] <tag> ok
[04:52] <kmasta> why didn't the new kernel know about that
[04:52] <tag> anyone use GPRS?
[04:52] <swiz> finally on a real client :]
[04:52] <blaze> ls
[04:52] <whyameye> kmasta why are you so stuck on this?
[04:52] <kmasta> cause I'm trying to learn so that next time I have the problem I can figure it out myself
[04:53] <kmasta> i'm new to linux, this is a learning experience for me
[04:53] <blaze> Hey, any ideas as to why I can not add multiverse repositories to my sources.list? They are refusing to connect for some reason
[04:53] <kmasta> it's not enough to know how to fix the problem, i wanna know what caused it
[04:53] <Xenguy> kmasta: relax, it takes months and years ;-)
[04:53] <MadHatte1> can anyone help me install drivers for my wireless card?
[04:53] <kmasta> xenguy, gotta start some where though right?
[04:53] <blaze> MadHatte1: you must be much more specific
[04:53] <Xenguy> kmasta: but you got the right idea :-)
[04:53] <UFO64> unless you can get an operator to DL the linux program right into your brain....
[04:53] <UFO64> anyone got a cell phone?
[04:53] <MadHatte1> its the one in the dell latitude D820
[04:54] <blaze> what sort of card?
[04:54] <dibblego> after upgrading 6.06 to 6.10, when I drag a window, it is very clunky and doesn't update properly - what might the problem be?
[04:54] <shebangbinbash> anyone have the ubuntu cert yet?
[04:54] <kmasta> so when the new kernel compiled, it didn't compile with the xorg.conf fromthe dapper kernel?
[04:54] <whyameye> kmasta: I think part of the issue is that fglrx is proprietary so ubuntu's support for it is probably a bit less than say the ATI open source drivers. If you were using the open source drivers when you upgraded, it would have been smoother. When using proprietary drivers, distros like ubuntu are more likely to crack.
[04:55] <MadHatte1> intel proset wireless 3945abg
[04:55] <kitche> kmasta: The reason a single binary driver will not work across a kernel series is the lack of internal API and ABI (application binary interface) compatibility in the kernel.
[04:55] <Ademan> this is the weakest thing ever, i tried to install the k3d package and the install script didn't work, and now i can't uninstall it either cause it wasnt to run the post-install script first
[04:55] <Xenguy> Ademan: edgy ?
[04:55] <slappy1986> anybody know how to get my laptop to detect my wireless card?
[04:55] <Ademan> yessir
[04:56] <Xenguy> Ademan: mmm
[04:56] <phargle> plug it in
[04:56] <slappy1986> 1150 delltruemobile, it says on the website its supported
[04:56] <slappy1986> it freezes if i put it in
[04:56] <slappy1986> and if i put it in and boot it don't finish booting lol
[04:56] <Ademan> the install script complained about a python version, so i figure it wants an older version (probably 2.3 or something) so i think i could get it to completely install, but is there any way to just cut it out?
[04:56] <kromel> Hello, I've done searches and tried to follow guides.  I recently installed Beryl which removed restricted.  Now my wireless no longer works.  Can someone point this newb in the right direction on how to get my wireless working again?  sorry for long post.
[04:56] <kmasta> kitche: but it wasn't like i changed it to fglrx when i first installed dapper, i just used what was ever default. why wouldn't that default config carryover, that seems like something you'd wanna make sure stayed the same between kernels
[04:57] <kitche> kmasta: it's a ubuntu thing but according to your Xorg.0.log use used binary drivers
[04:57] <Farnaby> I am sure I will return, just like Mcarthur
[04:58] <slappy1986> ok i got it in how do i tell if its on?
[04:58] <jordan> What is the offical way to upgrade to edgy on a machine without X?
[04:58] <Xenguy> !edgy
[04:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[04:58] <necrite> hi
[04:59] <necrite> hello
[04:59] <kmasta> kitche: funny, i don't remmeber switching to binary....
[04:59] <kmasta> kitche: O WAIT, SON OF A........
[05:00] <jordan> Xenguy: And the official way to upgrade with update-manager and no X is?
[05:00] <kmasta> nvm
[05:00] <iratsu> my computer is able to find a bluetooth device when running hcitool scan, but not while running hidd --search. is this normal?
[05:00] <kmasta> it has all become very clear
[05:00] <kmasta> thank you kitche
[05:01] <kitche> no problem kmasta
[05:02] <kitche> jordan: change your source.lst so dapper says edgy
[05:03] <kitche> jordan: then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:03] <jordan> kitche, But the wiki warns NOT to do that
[05:03] <w01> i am having trouble getting java on my machine any suggestions
[05:03] <jordan> kitche: "Upgrading using apt-get -- NOT RECOMMENDED"
[05:03] <w01> i downloaded self extracting file (bin)
[05:04] <swiz> while logged in as user _a_, i cannot have a shell open with user _b_ and use any commands like gksudo or gedit (basically anything graphical)  how can i fix this?
[05:04] <kitche> jordan: then download the cd if you want to feel safe downloading the iso is good also
[05:04] <Gevaudan82> w01: why? just do sudo apt-get install sun-java5-sdk after enabling the extra repos
[05:05] <w01> can i multiverse and universe?
[05:05] <jordan> kitche: So the only way is to run the update script from the alternate cd?
[05:05] <w01> from the synoptic manger?
[05:05] <Gevaudan82> w01: add them...when in doubt follow the guide at ubuntuguide.org and add the repos mentioned in there...note that PLF is no longer maintained so comment that out as well as the last one in the list, the listiner repo or something like that
[05:05] <kitche> jordan: yeah if you want to feel safe
[05:06] <jordan> kitche: Thanks.
[05:06] <w01> ok thankyou!
[05:06] <Gevaudan82> w01: if you want or edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:06] <kitche> swiz: it's due to the fact that only root can do what you want try sudo su user_b and see if it will let you be user_b in your X
[05:06] <swiz> kitche: no dice
[05:06] <tag> I'm trying to use my phone as a GPRS modem, but LCP seems to be unable to work properly with it
[05:07] <tag> Oct 31 20:06:00 sludge pppd[16145] : Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyACM0
[05:07] <tag> Oct 31 20:06:31 sludge pppd[16145] : LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
[05:07] <LinLenLap> Hiya.... I just downloaded paintball2 from digitalpaint. used to play it on windows. How do i get it to run?
[05:07] <tag> that's as far as it gets
[05:07] <LinLenLap> I think the website figures if you're using linux, you'd know this.
[05:07] <LinLenLap> Can't find any info.
[05:07] <SlackRat> kitche, got bored in ##slackware? no problems to fix??  :P
[05:07] <swiz> kitche: i open a term as user _a_ while logged inas user _a_ via X, su - to root, and su to the different user, and attempt to start the gtk app.  no dice.
[05:07] <kitche> swiz: there is probably a way to do it with sudo but I m not a very knowledgeable person for sudo
[05:08] <swiz> kitche: that gives me some ideas i can try.  thanks.
[05:08] <MadHatte1> why does the command "make" not work?
[05:08] <LinLenLap> I've tried things like "paintball2.sh" from within the directory.
[05:08] <kitche> SlackRat no I been very bored in many distro channels but never get bored here :)
[05:08] <Gevaudan82> MadHatte1: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:08] <swiz> MadHatte1: last time i checked, make was not installed by default.  not since hoary, i believe.
[05:09] <LinLenLap> The creator, Jitspoe, emailed me once telling me how, and it was a simple thing, like unpack then type "xxxxxxx", but I don't remember what the command was and have lost the email.
[05:09] <MadHatte1> thank you very much
[05:09] <SlackRat> kitche.....and why is that?
[05:10] <LinLenLap> I came here to ask since I'm running excellent edgy and I think the issue is simply about making this file executable.
[05:10] <kitche> SlackRat: I hang out in a lot of the advance distro channels
[05:10] <flake> is there a way around the redraw problem when using wine
[05:10] <flake> and some gdi application
[05:11] <kitche> SlackRat: so I get bored since most of those channels there is no help and I don't like #gentoo that much so I don't go in that one
[05:11] <pixelPOET> LinLenLap, try sudo chmod +x [appname]
[05:12] <neonempyr> Mindmap software?
[05:12] <LinLenLap> pixel: sudo chmod +x paintball2 returns no errors, after which "paintball2" returns nothing at all.
[05:12] <Gevaudan82> LinlenLap: are you typing ./paintball2 or paintball2...the former is correct
[05:13] <SlackRat> so youre giving back help to new users here cause the advanced distros generaally roll their own and dont have wall to wall newbs learning linux?
[05:13] <troopa> I try to install Ubuntu and the X server fails. I fix this by reconfiguring it and using the VESA driver. This starts X just fine, and I can even hear the music that the installation has. However, it seems to shut my LCD off (it just goes amber light and I can't see anything). I read some bug reports and tried commenting out some problematic modules X wants to load like they said, but nothing works.
[05:13] <Gevaudan82> meh ubuntu can be as advance as you want it to be...i choose it mainly for the hardware support
[05:13] <troopa> Does anyone else have problems getting Generic LCD displays working with Ubuntu?
[05:13] <pixelPOET> LinLenLap, chmod should output anything...
[05:14] <pixelPOET> ./paintball2 returns nothing at all?
[05:14] <Farnaby> Hrm, can't figure out why BioF is causing me such a headache
[05:14] <LinLenLap> Gevaudan82: I was typing the latter. The former attempts to run the program and then runs into some GL issues. I'll have to look into those on the forums since I'm just running a fresh install and haven't looked into my intel 915 driver much.
[05:15] <kitche> SlackRat: I give back to the community anyways I am a guru or dev for SourceMage
[05:15] <Gevaudan82> LinLenLap: try typing glxgears and see if it runs at full speed...might be an opengl issue
[05:15] <SlackRat> true, i like the ease of installation but spend a week trying to get it back to a more debian state, without all the gui clutter.....
[05:15] <pixelPOET> LinLenLap ... then the program will run once you get all your graphics drivers installed...
[05:16] <Gevaudan82> SlackRat: do you even use a GUI?
[05:16] <LinLenLap> GLXGEARS returns: .libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b
[05:16] <SlackRat> but so far ,  advanced configures in ubunt work, unlike a few other distros....heh, i use a gui all the time.....its what my consoles open on and i can move em all round
[05:16] <SlackRat> lol
[05:16] <Gevaudan82> LinLenLap: you don't have your graphics driver installed or your card does not support opengl/3d rendering
[05:16] <LinLenLap> I don't want to bother you or pixel anymore...I'm gonna try to work the driver thing out on my own first. Many thanks for getting me going though!
[05:16] <slappy1986> anybody here know how to go back to earlier kernels and such? Ithink thats the only way to get my wireless card to work
[05:17] <pixelPOET> LinLenLap, it's no bother... thats what this channels for :D
[05:17] <LinLenLap> isn't there a command to test if open gl is working?
[05:17] <LinLenLap> opengl
[05:17] <LinLenLap> glfx
[05:17] <pixelPOET> usually its glxgears ;)
[05:17] <pixelPOET> so based on that its a good assumption that yours isnt.
[05:17] <Gevaudan82> slappy1986: glxgears...if you don't see gears spinning in real time it's not working
[05:17] <damian_> hi, im just wondering where the config file for ->menu->Administration->networking is located, i enter my dns into the box to get my internet working but next boot it hasnt saved, very frustrating!
[05:18] <kitche> SlackRat: yeah I only use a gui really is to browse the web since some pages are hard to read on links
[05:18] <LinLenLap> OK...yeah, I see the gears turning...not sure how fast they're supposed to go, but they're moving pretty quick.
[05:18] <Gevaudan82> damian_: a number of places.../etc/network/interfaces is one
[05:18] <LinLenLap> ah, glxinfo
[05:18] <ianmacgregor> I have some .mpeg's of a friends wedding. Is it possible to take these and make something that will play on a stand-alone DVD player? If so, which app(s) should I look into?
[05:18] <EchoBinary> hello room :)
[05:18] <Gevaudan82> damian_: /etc/hosts is another
[05:19] <LinLenLap> This is the card I have to look for the driver for, correct?
[05:19] <LinLenLap> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b
[05:19] <LinLenLap> oops
[05:19] <EchoBinary> i have a small home network of some windows boxes that i would like ot automagicaly backup to my ubuntu file server - any suggestions?
[05:19] <LinLenLap> OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc
[05:19] <LinLenLap> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915GM 20050225
[05:19] <damian_> but will these files affect gtk applications?
[05:19] <Xenguy> ianmacgregor: some players will play that already...
[05:20] <Gevaudan82> EchoBinary: if i were you i'd use acronis on the windows boxes to backup to ubuntu via samba...there's always rsync but there's a lot of complexity involved
[05:20] <Xenguy> ianmacgregor: otherwise you can convert to DVD format
[05:20] <ianmacgregor> Xenguy: Mine won't :(
[05:20] <ianmacgregor> Xenguy: How would I do that?
[05:20] <flake> ..
[05:20] <EchoBinary> Gevaudan82: is acronis free?
[05:20] <SlackRat> desktops ashould be like desktops, places to lay out the work youre doing, and guis for some apps are the ideal way to work.....i dont wanna edit images on a console screen, or  play music via command line necessaryily......or code html pages in a console, thats just masochism
[05:20] <Xenguy> ianmacgregor: dvdauthor will convert from mpg to dvd
[05:20] <Gevaudan82> EchoBinary: nope
[05:20] <EchoBinary> ok
[05:20] <ianmacgregor> Xenguy: Thank you
[05:20] <Ademan> i tried to install k3d and it failed on the post-install-script and now trying to uninstall it it won't work either, it seems to call the post-install-script, is there any way to ignore the error it throws? or maybe to just delete it all together?
[05:21] <Xenguy> ianmacgregor: I can give you some command-line if you want (that's all I have)
[05:21] <Gevaudan82> EchoBinary: it's a very well made program though..much better than synaptec's ghost
[05:21] <ianmacgregor> Xenguy: Can you pastebin the cli stuff?
[05:21] <Xenguy> ianmacgregor: ok, hang on
[05:21] <pixelPOET> LinLenLap, type that exact error into google...look through the pages that come up
[05:22] <firebird619> Is there a way to get MythTV to work with an account other than the mythtv account so I don't have to log out and in everytime I want to use it?
[05:22] <Xenguy> ianmacgregor: /join flood
[05:23] <damian_> Gevaudan82 and sorry what would i enter in these files to set my dns
[05:23] <kitche> SlackRat: see I mostly use my linux box for java programming and ircing really
[05:24] <Gevaudan82> damian_: i can't remember honestly...know that in ubuntu if you are using dhcp you won't be able to permanently set your dns...it will default to your router...change it to static ips and then your dns sticks
[05:24] <Xenguy> ianmacgregor: talk to me
[05:25] <Xenguy> ianmacgregor: if you weren't a macgregor, I wouldn't wait this long =)
[05:25] <damian_> Gevaudan82 of course, i have recently had to reflash my modemrouter much be assigning ip's again i will do that, thanks
[05:25] <damian_> must*
[05:26] <Farnaby> Argh, i am ready to stab gnome screensaver
[05:27] <ianmacgregor> Xenguy: I"m looking into #flood. Sorry, but I have joined a channel before that auto-Klined me before and don't want to do that again. I'm a cautious person.
[05:28] <cyanid3> I'm having issues mounting a usb hard drive in edgy.  the related dmesg is here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29653/
[05:28] <Xenguy> ianmacgregor: flood is quite safe
[05:29] <Xenguy> ianmacgregor: it's for flooding :-)
[05:29] <LinLenLap> Thanks pixel... going through it now. At least I know it should support it. Also, I discovered through x11/xorg.config that I'm usign the right driver... now the fun part...
[05:29] <Xenguy> ianmacgregor: besides, that's pretty tame behaviour for a scot, isn't it? :-)
[05:30] <ianmacgregor> Xenguy: Well, she's changed her mind now. But, thank you for the willingness to help with this.
[05:31] <Xenguy> ianmacgregor: anytime :p
[05:32] <Ademan> i tried to install k3d and it failed on the post-install-script and now trying to uninstall it it won't work either, it seems to call the post-install-script, is there any way to ignore the error it throws? or maybe to just delete it all together?
[05:32] <swiz>  /quit
[05:32] <swiz> er
[05:33] <Ediehow> HELP
[05:33] <Ediehow> i need to cd ~/nx
[05:33] <Gevaudan82> Ademan: you mean k3b?
[05:33] <Ediehow> but i can't do sudo cd!
[05:33] <Gevaudan82> Ediehow: if you really must enable root by typing sudo passwd root and then su -
[05:33] <Ademan> Gevaudan82: actually no, k3d is a 3d software package
[05:33] <Gevaudan82> Ademan: sorry, carry on :)
[05:33] <Madpilot> Ediehow, you don't need sudo to use cd
[05:34] <Ademan> Gevaudan82: hehe, i hadn't heard of it till today, and now i wish i didnt, cause it screwed up dpkg lol
[05:35] <Ediehow> Madpilot: yes you do, if you don't have access to that person's home dir
[05:35] <Lilandra> Hi! I have a question about filesystem formats
[05:35] <Madpilot> Ediehow, true, if something is set to 700
[05:35] <Madpilot> !ask
[05:35] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:35] <Lilandra> oh sorry...
[05:36] <Lilandra> when i launch gparted, and i right click on a partition and select format to, there are grayed out options (like ufs). what is ufs? (is that the other format mac os x uses)  Also, how would I enable ufs? and xfs?
[05:37] <diesel> Anyone know what happened to the XFCE composite extension in Edgy?
[05:37] <dibblego> why is moving gtk windows around so clunky in 6.10 (but not 6.06)?
[05:38] <crimsun> diesel: are you referring to the Composite tab in Settings> Window Manager Tweaks?
[05:38] <diesel> crimsun: yes
[05:38] <troopa> I try to install Ubuntu and the X server fails. I fix this by reconfiguring it and using the VESA driver. This starts X just fine, and I can even hear the music that the installation has. However, it seems to shut my LCD off (it just goes amber light and I can't see anything). I read some bug reports and tried commenting out some problematic modules X wants to load like they said, but nothing works.
[05:38] <crimsun> diesel: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2006-October/002243.html
[05:39] <JavaDeveloper> Anyone encounters a crash on MySQL Query Browser 1.1.17?
[05:39] <firebird619> Is there a way to get MythTV to work with an account other than the mythtv account so I don't have to log out and in everytime I want to use it?
[05:39] <diesel> crimsun: excellent.  Thank you
[05:40] <Ediehow> thx
[05:40] <Ediehow> bye
[05:40] <diesel> crimsun: one more question, do you know why I can't use :syntax in the version of VIM in Edgy?
[05:40] <diesel> version 7.0.35
[05:40] <crimsun> diesel: which vim packages are installed?
[05:40] <crimsun> (I use nvi, so I can't answer that)
[05:41] <Alter-Ego> are there docs for ubuntu-server ltsp5 ?
[05:41] <slappy1986> gevaudan82: they are spinning really slow i got a slow computer whats that mean?
[05:41] <slappy1986> that has nothing to do with a wireless card working right?
[05:42] <diesel> crimsun: your question (which vim packages) caused me to look...I apparently have vim-tiny, so I will be installing vim-full
[05:42] <axa-axa> Can someone please tell me how can I downgrade some package (in this case new 2.0 FireFox) ?
[05:42] <Gevaudan82> slappy1986: it means you don't have opengl enabled or incorrect drivers
[05:42] <cyanid3> I'm unable to mount an external usb hard drive.  Here's the `dmesg | grep usb` : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29655/
[05:44] <axa-axa> Can someone please tell me how can I downgrade some package (in this case new 2.0 FireFox) ?
[05:44] <pibarnas> gnome-settings-manager can't record my settings... does anyone is going through this?
[05:44] <Gevaudan82> axa-axa: just sudo apt-get remove firefox and then install the 1.5 version from source or .deb files
[05:45] <mygod> linuxjsp
[05:45] <mygod> java
[05:45] <ubuntudfault> iuyiuygt785d65d7659o876f768o
[05:45] <mygod> IDE??
[05:45] <axa-axa> Gevaudan82: How can I install version 1.5 with apt-get or where can I download firefox 1.5 for Edgy Eft?
[05:46] <Gevaudan82> axa-axa: you can't without mixing repos...best bet is to install from source or using .deb files
[05:46] <magicnorri> can anyone help me with the azureus program it wont work as standard user but works as root user
[05:47] <axa-axa> Gevaudan82: but where can I find that .deb file (firefox 1.5)?
[05:47] <SlackRat> debian or dapper repos
[05:47] <Gevaudan82> axa-axa: no clue...i'm sure it's out there somewhere
[05:47] <mckinnoj> quick question: how can I find out which version of wine I have?
[05:47] <cyanid3> magnicorn did you check the permissions of the executable?
[05:47] <mygod> uanme -a
[05:47] <larz3> mygod, apt-get install tomcat5
[05:48] <JavaDeveloper> where's the command Traceroute in ubuntu now? I can't seem to find it
[05:48] <larz3> JavaDeveloper, you need to install it
[05:49] <user-land> magicnorry, try deleting the azureus files in your home dir.
[05:49] <JavaDeveloper> larz3: alright...
[05:49] <larz3> JavaDeveloper, apt-get install traceroute
[05:49] <JavaDeveloper> larz3: thans
[05:49] <Legendre> hi.. need help. What must I do, to install 6.10 from a USB key?
[05:49] <fatlip> how do i switch firefox's default player to vlc?
[05:49] <fatlip> i nee dthe vlc plugin, dont i
[05:49] <Gevaudan82> fatlip: download the mediaplayerconnectivity plugin for firefox...your problems are solved
[05:50] <coastermaster> so if I install the kubuntu-desktop package while I'm in ubuntu, I can switch between GNOME and KDE as I please?
[05:50] <fatlip> done and done
[05:50] <fatlip> thank ya :)
[05:52] <RobNyc> MasseR, whats up
[05:52] <Legendre> Anyone? Install 6.10 EE from a bootable USB flash drive?
[05:52] <rellis> The copy of perl ditributed with ubuntu 6.06 was not compiled with gcc?
[05:53] <Legendre> I'm trying to use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick but it 'taint workin
[05:53] <Legendre> assume that this method has problems with 6.10?
[05:54] <jerp> I'm having troubles gaining privileges to copying a patch on a game in my file sys.
[05:54] <Legendre> jerp = and sudo su - root doesn't do it?
[05:54] <magicnorri> user-land it failed
[05:55] <jerp> I didn't know about sudo su ...I only used sudo
[05:55] <jerp> let me try that
[05:55] <Legendre> try on a fresh line: sudo su - root
[05:55] <Legendre> you will become root, then do the work.. and get back out of root asap
[05:55] <Legendre> *and then get back out
[05:55] <mcquaid> I know someone had a rep containing flash9 and some other stuff, but I can't find it now.  Is there a thread tracking all the users repositories?
[05:56] <chris86wm> im trying to use gnomebaker to burn a cd but it fails everytime i attempt to burn. could anyone help me?
[05:56] <mcquaid> it would be great if ubuntu had an equiv to apt-get.org/search for unofficial stuff
[05:56] <chris86wm> im using an inspiron 6000 and edgy
[05:56] <ebates> chris86wm: fails how?
[05:56] <Legendre> chris -I'd just like to install edgy =/
[05:57] <chris86wm> ebates, i tell it to make an iso, it makes a funny noise and tells me that it has failed
[05:57] <chris86wm> i assume the funny noise the "burn failed" sound
[05:57] <ebates> chris86wm: lol...not much to go on, eh?
[05:58] <sanmarcos> why the fuck when I close apps I loose the paste buffer, this is 2006..
[05:58] <botxj> naughty naughty
[05:58] <botxj> language language sanmarcos :P
[05:58] <botxj> !language
[05:58] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:59] <jerb_> god darn it
[05:59] <Gevaudan82> my family curses like sailors
[05:59] <Lathiat> sanmarcos: There are solutions for that.
[05:59] <botxj> arrrrrrr ye matey
[05:59] <jerp> legendre, my command is cp -R <old location of files> <new location of files>  ???
[05:59] <Lathiat> samiam: i dont think any fo them are standard in gnome yet
[05:59] <sig> anyone know the engine name that gnome uses or comes default with ubuntu?
[05:59] <sanmarcos> !language > botxj
[05:59] <sig> metacity?
[05:59] <Legendre> jerp = sudo su is run by itself.. on a fresh commandline, type 'sudo su - root'
[05:59] <botxj> !language > sanmarcos
[05:59] <Gevaudan82> gtk?
[06:00] <botxj> take that citizen sanmarcos!
[06:00] <Legendre> once you are root, then do the work.
[06:00] <Lathiat> sig: metacity is the window manager that draws the borders are windows
[06:00] <Lathiat> sig: gtk is what draws the window parts
[06:00] <Legendre> brb
[06:00] <sanmarcos> !language > botxj
[06:00] <jerp> I did that and got root then ran that command and got a "cp: cannot stat"
[06:00] <Farnaby> Ok, WTF, I can't even change the screen saver to a blank screen
[06:00] <botxj> leviathan, why must you tempt me with your language warnings
[06:01] <botxj> i call bot abuse on that!
[06:01] <Lathiat> Farnaby: on ubuntu? I have a blank screen option?
[06:01] <botxj> psych no i dont
[06:01] <Lathiat> Farnaby: system->preferences->screensaver preferences ---- first item
[06:01] <Legendre> jerp = err.. then there is some other issue, not related to perms.
[06:01] <Legendre> jerp - sounds like your cp command is malformed, something wrong with the path(s)
[06:02] <chris86wm> ah ha! i have to run gnomebaker as root
[06:02] <chris86wm> that kinda sucks though
[06:02] <jerp> let me see
[06:02] <ebates> chris86wm: you do?
[06:02] <ebates> odd
[06:02] <Legendre> chris86wm - that is odd.. but typical linux thingy.
[06:02] <chris86wm> ran "sudo gnomebaker" and now its burning
[06:02] <techrush> i just installed the package "rubybook" using synaptic.....where is this book located ?
[06:02] <Lathiat> techrush: probably /usr/share/doc/rubybook
[06:03] <chris86wm> i dont want to do a sudo in terminal everytime i want to run gnomebaker though
[06:03] <techrush> cheers
[06:03] <sanmarcos> chris86wm: dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord
[06:03] <ebates> yeah, that is odd
[06:03] <sanmarcos> chris86wm: suid it
[06:03] <mister_roboto> techrush: do "dpkg -L <pkg-name>" to see the files associated with an installed package
[06:03] <techrush> thanks
[06:04] <Legendre> so, I ask again: how can I set up, to boot ubuntu & install to HD, from a USB stick?
[06:04] <user-land> magicnorri, because you once started it as root. delete the folder with sudo.
[06:04] <Legendre> the community page isn't working for me..
[06:05] <Farnaby> Lathiat, I have tried that, more then once. Its stuck on BioF
[06:05] <wheelswitch> Legendre:  do you know how to make your computer boot from usb?
[06:05] <Legendre> wheelswitch - yes, that is all OK.. problem is, syslinux can't find the kernel / initrd and so on.
[06:05] <chris86wm> sanmarcos, didnt work
[06:06] <Legendre> wheelswitch - followed all the instructions to a 'T'
[06:06] <Farnaby> sorry lathiat, went to smoke to try and get a bit less pissed off.
[06:06] <Legendre> wheelswitch - is the method broken for 6.10?
[06:06] <sanmarcos> chris86wm: you have to relogin, if it doenst, then tough shit, have fun
[06:06] <wheelswitch> not sure
[06:06] <wheelswitch> i have only done it on 6.04
[06:06] <sanmarcos> chris86wm: read about unix permissions, and udev (good luck with that, udev, hah)
[06:06] <wheelswitch> i used this guide: http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php?title=Ubuntu_USB_Install
[06:07] <Farnaby> This is actually turning into more of an irritatnt then the fact that I have lost so much multimedia support...
[06:08] <Legendre> wheelswitch - I've been working from: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[06:08] <Legendre> wheelswitch - thing is, I may have made an error.. when I copied the ubuntu cd over to the flash drive, I used -Rvpd
[06:09] <Legendre> and I'm starting to wonder if -d messed me up..
[06:09] <Legendre> since you can't deref (ie create) symlinks onto FAT16 filesystems
[06:10] <Legendre> hm, how does that work anyway? if you cp a symlink onto a fat volume?
[06:10] <Legendre> grumble.
[06:11] <drarem> what's the command to return free and used disk space
[06:11] <Legendre> df -h
[06:11] <Farnaby> Anybody else have any ideas for how to fix gnomescreensaver when its stuck on one setting (and the setting doesn't work)
[06:11] <highneko> df -hT to show filesystem too.
[06:11] <kupesoft> Is there a sendmail replacement that just takes emails and sends them from another place via smtp?
[06:11] <drarem> thanks
[06:11] <towsonu2003> drarem, I love a tool called baobab, which shows you what is occupying how much space in filesystems you specify. just noting :)
[06:11] <Gevaudan82> kupesoft: not sure if i understand your question but postfix is generally considered to be the replacement for sendmail
[06:12] <rawrness> Is it possable to make a window Vmmachine with a emachine recovery disk
[06:12] <drarem> ok i'll check it out
[06:12] <Legendre> kupesoft - sendmaill.conf got you down? :)
[06:12] <aster> guys
[06:12] <aster>  have ubuntu and installed xfce-desktop now
[06:13] <aster> how to remove gnome-desktop??
[06:13] <ArrenLex> aster: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[06:13] <Farnaby> I guess nobody else has any ideas
[06:13] <Farnaby> all of this just to get gnomepilot working
[06:14] <Legendre> Farnaby - what is gnomepilot, btw?
[06:14] <knapper> I'm having trouble removing drivers I installed using Nvidia's installer, anyone want to bite?
[06:14] <rawrness> gag Nvidia drivers
[06:14] <rawrness> evilness I tell you
[06:15] <knapper> When I replace nv with nvidia it says cannot initialize glx. When I install nvidia-glx and replace nv with nvidia, it says version mismatch
[06:15] <Farnaby> legendre, gnomepilot is for palm pilots
[06:15] <Legendre> Farnaby - ok. I always used Jpilot for that
[06:15] <knapper> how can I get rid of all of it and just install nvidia-glx
[06:15] <knapper> ?/
[06:16] <ArrenLex> knapper: If you installed from official nvidia package, will it suffice to run "/usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall"?
[06:16] <Farnaby> legendre, gnomepilot is tied into evolution better from what I understand
[06:17] <Legendre> Farnaby - ah, ok.. I've never been a real gnome/evo user.
[06:17] <Legendre> I use sylpheed mostly
[06:18] <knapper> hmm arrenlex, I will try that.
[06:18] <knapper> thanks
[06:19] <Farnaby> unfortunatly it has borked my screensaver (which i suspect means some issues involving my video card which I cna't remember) and it has totally fubared any and all multimedia support
[06:20] <Farnaby> I take that back, not any and all, but AVI and MP3 are gone
[06:20] <Legendre> Farnaby - ick =/
[06:22] <Farnaby> I am really getting midly pissed about it. I have no desire to do another reinstall
[06:22] <pibarnas> gnome-settings-manager can't record my settings... does anyone is going through this?
[06:23] <donfilipo> anyone can tell how to enable XGL in Edgy i have heart it should be easy
[06:23] <^Ocean^> apt0get install beryl
[06:23] <^Ocean^> and emerald
[06:23] <knapper> Ok, that uninstalled the nvidia driver, but it's still borked. I get error Nvidia kernel couldn't load. Module Nvidia not found.
[06:23] <knapper> This after I have installed nvidia-glx.
[06:24] <^Ocean^> knapper, you need to install the restricted kernel modules for ur kernal
[06:24] <^Ocean^> or you can install the nvidia drivers from there website
[06:24] <rawrness> I am just reinstalling :p cause of my drivers
[06:24] <rawrness> and KDE and GNome not liking each other
[06:24] <^Ocean^> no they dont lol
[06:25] <rpk180> I upgraded to edgy a few days ago.  Everything went smoothly.  However, emacs looks terrible now -- the font seems smaller and harder to read.  Any suggestions on how to go about making it look good again?
[06:25] <rawrness> I have got KDM runing in gnome thought :P
[06:25] <rawrness> Use the Bleeper instead!
[06:26] <Adammk> i run linux on my laptop and want to run a linux program (Amarok) on my Windows Xp desktop computer. how should i do this? is Cgywin the best solution?
[06:26] <Farnaby> I also seem to keep getting a number of sleeping biof processes
[06:26] <rawrness> Anyways i want to make a vmware machine for my windows
[06:26] <Legendre> Adammk - is there a cygwin port of Amarok?
[06:26] <knapper> ^Ocean^ ok, well I don't find them in the repository. uname -r = 2.6.17-10-386
[06:27] <knapper> 2.6.15 is what I find
[06:27] <knapper> or is it linux-restricted-modules-386?
[06:27] <lrep> hi, where does the c header files get installed in ubuntu?
[06:27] <rawrness> but i don't got a windows install disk
[06:27] <lrep> i've installed the kernel source already
[06:27] <rawrness> just a emachine sys restore
[06:28] <kitche> lrep: it's looking for the linux-headers
[06:28] <lrep> kitche, come again.
[06:29] <Adammk> i don't think so. i'm currently trying to compile from source, but it says "The important program kde-config was not found" any idea where to get this? I've tryed to install kdebase, but oddly it says the same thing
[06:29] <kitche> lrep: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.17-10
[06:29] <Legendre> Adammk - you're in tough shape.
[06:30] <knapper> What repository can I find linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-386?
[06:30] <lrep> kitche, i'm installing vmware and it asked me for the C header files...do i still need to get the linux-headers?
[06:30] <ArrenLex> Adammk: do you have kdebase-dev installed?
[06:30] <mohaghna111> hi guys
[06:30] <Adammk> Legendre: i'd really *like* to get amarok to work on windows...
[06:30] <Legendre> Adammk - Amarok must dep on KDE stuff.. not a happy situation for cygwin.
[06:30] <kitche> lrep: they are the same thing
[06:30] <ArrenLex> !linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-386
[06:30] <ubotu> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-386: Non-free Linux 2.6.17 modules on 386. In component restricted, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-11 (edgy), package size 7701 kB, installed size 20892 kB
[06:31] <Adammk> Legendre: yep it does say Amarok is for KDE
[06:31] <Legendre> I haven't done much cygwin in the last few years, but that situation sounds fairly unworkable to me.
[06:31] <ArrenLex> Adammk: Amarok does not and will never work on Windows. The developers have blankly refused to port it.
[06:31] <Adammk> dang it
[06:31] <Legendre> you'd need to have the whole required KDE framework built for a cygwin environment.
[06:31] <lrep>  okay kitche where are the headers stored?
[06:31] <rawrness> Amarok works real buggy in gnome
[06:31] <lrep> /usr/src/linux/include ?
[06:31] <nothlit> http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/
[06:31] <rawrness> Mine don't even dock :P
[06:32] <knapper> ArrenLex: Check amarok's website. They said in the latest news entry that a windows port will be released soon.
[06:32] <kitche> lrep: you can point vmware there as well
[06:32] <Legendre> nothlit - lol. that's just wrong..
[06:32] <rawrness> window port ummmm
[06:32] <nothlit> ^^
[06:32] <lrep> kitche, that's where vmware is looking for...but there's nothing there
[06:33] <ArrenLex> Oh. Wow, I guess I was wrong. Sorry, carry on. xd
[06:33] <ArrenLex> xD
[06:33] <lrep> kitche, i'm trying to locate the files so ican tell vmware where to use them
[06:33] <kitche> lrep yes install the linux-headers but the dev package
[06:33] <lrep> ok
[06:34] <nothlit> why can't you just aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[06:34] <SinnerG> How do I create a patch like oldfolder > newfolder  anyone knows?
[06:34] <knapper> Adammk, ArrenLex: amarok.kde.com: "Amarok 2 will be based on QT4/KDE4 and will finally feature a Windows port, so for those of you that must use Windows, you will finally be able to have your rok and eat it too."
[06:34] <ArrenLex> knapper: yes, I saw it
[06:34] <knapper> I think its terrible
[06:34] <magicnorri> user-land cannot rm directory
[06:35] <knapper> :/
[06:35] <Adammk> knapper: cool but i'll try anyway in the meantime
[06:35] <nothlit> How far is QT4/KDE4 away anyways
[06:35] <ArrenLex> nothlit: Maybe Q3 2007?
[06:35] <Gumby> why is it terrible to have a linux app ported to windows?
[06:36] <nothlit> ArrenLex, ahh, ty
[06:36] <Gumby> just cause a person uses windows doesnt mean they should have to be a slave to iTunes and Windows Media
[06:36] <Rappermas> hey, are the repos broken again?
[06:36] <Legendre> Gumby - it's not.. but trying to make windows into a KDE friendly envirnoment sounds like self-abuse.
[06:37] <Rappermas> compiz won't install on edgy
[06:37] <nothlit> Gumby, i don't think its the porting that is so horrible, look at gaim/gimp/inkscape... but the idea of the necessity to port linux apps to windows is
[06:37] <Rappermas> says dependencies are missing
[06:37] <Legendre> I mean, KDE can't even get along with a lot of shiat on Linux.. and that's all open API :)
[06:37] <dabaR> Yeah the repos are down
[06:37] <Chippy> Rappermas: I had the same problem, so I just installed beryl :)
[06:37] <Gumby> Legendre:  its not kde, its amarok that is being ported
[06:37] <Rappermas> Chippy: ok, i'll bite, how do i get beryl?
[06:38] <Rappermas> so i get a brand new card to use XGL and the repos are down, somehow, i'm not surprised
[06:38] <Chippy> Rappermas: that depends.  jump into the #ubuntu-xgl and I'll help you out there
[06:38] <lrep> kitche, ok thanks i got it
[06:38] <nothlit> Rappermas, depends on your hardware and whether you want xgl or aixgl
[06:38] <Gumby> nothlit: if anything, it will make more people realize that they are slaves to MS and Apple and that there are alternatives out there.
[06:38] <nothlit> aiglx*
[06:38] <magicnorri> can anyone tell me how to delete a hidden directory
[06:38] <Gumby> I say good on the Amarok people for doing it.
[06:38] <pibarnas> gnome-settings-manager can't record my settings on Edgy... can you help me?!?
[06:38] <Adammk> sorry, i tried to convince my family to use ubuntu on our main household computer, but they like windows cause they know (for the most part) how to use it
[06:38] <Gumby> magicnorri: rm -Rf .directory
[06:38] <Rav|strangler> Rappermas, v
[06:38] <magicnorri> thank you
[06:39] <fignew> XGL = :( ... aiglx = :)
[06:39] <nothlit> Gumby, the problem is people don't really realise that a lot of programs can be run from linux or were originally from...
[06:39] <Gumby> magicnorri: assuming you have permissions to do so
[06:39] <Rav|strangler> Rappermas, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=127090
[06:39] <Chippy> Rav|strangler: he disappeared :)
[06:39] <Gumby> nothlit: when they visit the downloads page for the application they just might
[06:40] <knapper> What repository can I find linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-386?
[06:40] <Rav|strangler> ohhh lag
[06:40] <Rappermas> see this is why i'm asking
[06:40] <Rappermas> xgl just crashed on me
[06:40] <Rappermas> lol that's fun
[06:40] <Rav|strangler> did you try ubuntu-xgl
[06:40] <Rav|strangler> or wait
[06:40] <Legendre> I'll ask again: Anyone have success using a USB flash drive as install media?
[06:40] <Rappermas> yeah i just joined
[06:41] <Rav|strangler> ih oh ok
[06:41] <Rappermas> hopefully, i won't crash again
[06:41] <Rav|strangler> I didnt get much help
[06:41] <Legendre> the CD on my lappy is flaked out, and I need to install from a USB stick.
[06:41] <Rav|strangler> I didnt get it working on my ati laptop
[06:41] <nothlit> Gumby, yes, but to tell people don't really see what they aren't looking for. i was ecstatic to find that almost all m essential applications could run on linux, but it didn't really happen until i was already burning install/livecds
[06:41] <Rav|strangler> I'm going to try on my dekstop tomorrow
[06:41] <towsonu2003> Legendre, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80811 maybe can help
[06:42] <nothlit> Legendre, i thinks theres a guide to it, i'll look for it
[06:43] <Gumby> nothlit: I understand.  My only point really is that I cant see how a linux based app ported to windows is a bad thing as long as its a full featured application and not a stripped down POS.  I find it especially good because of the lack of applications, good or bad, that windows users have to use for audio.  I've used iTunes,  I dont understand how people put up with it.
[06:43] <towsonu2003> nothlit, I just posted an ubuntuforums link above :)
[06:43] <boni> !edgy eft
[06:43] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[06:43] <Legendre> nothlit - the community guide is not working for me..
[06:43] <azureal> hi, ubuntu server edition is REGPARM or NOREGPARM?
[06:44] <towsonu2003> Gumby, I'm just jumping in, but porting linux apps to windows actually makes switching much easier for users: it gives you common apps so you're familiar to some degree
[06:44] <nothlit> towsonu2003, ahh kk
[06:44] <Legendre> towsonu2003 - I don't want ubuntu installed to the flash drive.. I want to boot from the flash drive, and install onto the HD.
[06:44] <boni> hi everyone
[06:44] <threat2> hi
[06:45] <DarkMageZ> Gumby, i love iTunes, cept for the iPod handling... sure it works, but it's annoying
[06:45] <threat2> what ales you boni?
[06:46] <towsonu2003> Legendre, what about this http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php?title=Ubuntu_USB_Install
[06:46] <nothlit> Legendre, oh, well I'm not really familiar with that sort of installation, are you trying towsonu2003 's link?
[06:46] <DarkMageZ> Gumby, what media player do you use?
[06:46] <towsonu2003> !ping
[06:46] <nothlit> Gumby, what are your opinions on winamp and foobar
[06:46] <ubotu> ping: connection timeout
[06:46] <azureal> how can i tell if my kernel is REGPARM or NOREGPARM...?
[06:47] <MicrosoftSpy> Does anyone know how you put the speaker icon back on the app bar ? I tried right clicking and add but it doesnt seem to be there
[06:47] <rpk180> Does anyone have emacs21 installed in 6.10?    Any ideas on how to make it look good again?
[06:47] <Farnaby> wow, now I have a whole new problem, and its a biggy
[06:47] <kitche> MicrosoftSpy: add your mixer app back to the panel
[06:47] <MicrosoftSpy> Ahhh thatd do it kitchie :) Thanks bud
[06:48] <towsonu2003> MicrosoftSpy, Add>volume control -that's what you're looking for
[06:48] <Farnaby> ... I did a restart and now its saying that xserver is not configged properly and then it dumps me to a command line
[06:48] <nothlit> MicrosoftSpy, you couldn't re-add the applet?
[06:49] <towsonu2003> how many ghosts did you have, lol
[06:49] <MicrosoftSpy> noth..nope how do you reconfigure sound ?
[06:49] <unfo> Farnaby, what changes did you make since your last reboot?
[06:49] <MicrosoftSpy> appart from system prefs sound
[06:49] <rpk180> I tried doing a "dpkg-reconfigure emacs21", but it didn't help...
[06:49] <unfo> Farnaby,  e.g. what new stuff did you install / change? :)
[06:50] <nothlit> Farnaby, have you looked in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[06:50] <unfo> Bin, hello :)
[06:50] <Farnaby> Thats a very good question but i can't tell you since I can't even really seem to login
[06:50] <Gumby> nothlit: I havnt used winamp for ages and Ive never heard of foobar.  Winamp used to be good before AOL bought it.  AFter that it just became bloated
[06:50] <unfo> Bin, you probably should change your nickname. type: /nick NICKNAME
[06:51] <unfo> choose a good nick for your NICKNAME.
[06:51] <nothlit> Gumby, AOL is evil
[06:51] <Gumby> DarkMageZ: I use Amarok
[06:51] <MicrosoftSpy> Anyone know how to get ubuntu to redetect sound ?
[06:51] <Farnaby> all it really does is dump me to a flashing curser and nothing seems to work
[06:51] <towsonu2003> Legendre, be careful not to bork your grub by the way
[06:51] <Gumby> nothlit: no kidding.  The took a great simple media player and made it into something just awful
[06:51] <nothlit> Farnaby, i thought you said you were dumped into a command line
[06:52] <unfo> Poseidon, so now you're in IRC for the first time :) this is where many people discuss Ubuntu. and there is stuff both in English and in Chinese.
[06:52] <unfo> !zh
[06:52] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[06:52] <unfo> Poseidon: :-)
[06:52] <Farnaby> I thought I was at first now I am not so sure.
[06:52] <Poseidon> oh thanks
[06:52] <unfo> Farnaby, you have no clue what you changed?
[06:52] <DarkMageZ> Gumby, thought so :) there seems to be some sort of split. some peoples minds work one way, the others the other way.
[06:52] <unfo> Poseidon, but stay here :)
[06:52] <towsonu2003> MicrosoftSpy, sudo alsaconf maybe? but that's maybe! and probably incorrect. are you sure you can't add the volume control applet to the panel (right click on panel > add > volume control)
[06:52] <nothlit> Gumby, oh foobar is supposed to be the serious audio app or something its pretty customisable and can grab direct control of the sound card before windows sound mixer remixes it
[06:53] <Gumby> DarkMageZ: try AMarok for two weeks then go back t iTunes, I bet you'll hate it then :)
[06:53] <Farnaby> unfo, I re-ran xserver-xorg (which is the root of my problem i am sure)
[06:53] <nothlit> Gumby, more serious audio codec support and stuff
[06:53] <Gumby> nothlit: cool
[06:53] <unfo> Farnaby, i agree. :-) what does re-ran mean?
[06:53] <DarkMageZ> Gumby, i had Amarok for a month
[06:53] <oranged> anyone having pgp errors when apt-get update is run?
[06:53] <MicrosoftSpy> towsonu: Yeah when i try to add the volume control it returns 'the panel encountered a problem when loading OFAIID GNOME_MixerApplet'
[06:54] <towsonu2003> Farnaby, unfo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I guess?
[06:54] <nothlit> Farnaby, are you saying you have two instances of Xorg open?
[06:54] <DarkMageZ> Gumby, some people are iTunes/rhythmbox people. others are ?/Amarok people
[06:54] <Farnaby> unfo, it had misdetected some stuff on the autodetect, namely the fact that some graphics where borked
[06:54] <unfo> borked?
[06:54] <Farnaby> towsonu2003 yes
[06:54] <Farnaby> nothlit, I have 0 instances open
[06:54] <Gumby> DarkMageZ: I guess so.  rhythmbox and iTunes just seem so limited to me
[06:54] <Poseidon> are you often be here unfo?
[06:54] <nothlit> Does anyone have an opinion on Songbird? the new mozilla app?
[06:54] <Adammk> guys, Legendre, ArrenLex, knapper, nothlit, it still says "The important program kde-config was not found"
[06:54] <unfo> Poseidon, not here in #ubuntu, but sometimes in #debian or #debian-devel
[06:55] <unfo> I am a big debian fan.
[06:55] <Gumby> anyhow, its time to pack and see if everything fit into my travel pack. heading to Perth in 5 days.  woohoo!!
[06:55] <unfo> Gumby, cool
[06:55] <nothlit> Adammk, a console doesnt have a cursor, anyways... ctrl+alt+f1      aptitude show kde-config
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> nothlit, i have used songbird, but its not fast enough for my use...
[06:55] <threat2> Gumby: woot
[06:55] <unfo> oranged, apt-get uses pgp to verify that all your packages were downloaded ok and not tampered with
[06:55] <DarkMageZ> Gumby, limited?
[06:55] <threat2> Gumby: say hi to quantumn for me
[06:55] <unfo> oranged, but pgp does not always work perfectly :-)
[06:55] <unfo> oranged, I would ignore the errors.
[06:56] <unfo> Poseidon, did you try installing ubuntu?
[06:56] <Poseidon> not yet
[06:56] <Poseidon> I have something to do
[06:56] <unfo> Poseidon, you said you wanted to learn more, and that's the first step to it :)
[06:57] <unfo> you mean something else to do?
[06:57] <Adammk> nothlit: Cgywin is pretty basic, it says aptitude isn't a command
[06:57] <oranged> unfo; it actually completely screws using automatix..
[06:57] <Poseidon> for instance HTML
[06:57] <Poseidon> or c++
[06:57] <unfo> oranged, i don't know much about automatix.
[06:57] <nothlit> Adammk, oh yeah sorry, you're in cygwin
[06:57] <oranged> unfo,  Internal error: Good signature, but could not determine key fingerprint?!
[06:57] <unfo> Poseidon, you mean for school?
[06:57] <MicrosoftSpy> Hmmm alsaconf not found you sure thats the right command ?
[06:57] <oranged> unfo, its still not something i'd like to ignore
[06:57] <unfo> oranged, i would see if it's a known bug in automatix.
[06:58] <DarkMageZ> oranged, automatrix is not supported, and seriously disliked by the ubuntu devs. try a clean install of the system
[06:58] <oranged> unfo, i've been in #automatix discussing the problem.. it seems to be a problem with gpg
[06:58] <Adammk> any ideas?
[06:58] <unfo> oranged, check for bug reports in launchpad and/or at the automatix site.
[06:58] <unfo> DarkMageZ, I heard that automatix is now dpkg-based.
[06:58] <Poseidon> no exactly   I am interest in that
[06:59] <nothlit> Legendre, did you make sure your usb drive either supports usb-hdd or usb-zip?
[06:59] <oranged> unfo, already done. :)
[06:59] <unfo> Poseidon, a good way to learn C++ is to install Ubuntu. it comes with a C++ compiler easily available.
[06:59] <MicrosoftSpy> Anyone know how to reconfigure sound ?
[06:59] <Farnaby> we will see if this fixes things... I can only hope
[06:59] <crimsun> MicrosoftSpy: in what sense?
[06:59] <oranged> unfo, it really has more to do with gpg then automatix. ;)
[06:59] <rawrness> How can i make windows work in vmware?
[06:59] <DarkMageZ> unfo, i've been suspecting that as well. but the ubuntu devs still say it's bad. i might nuke a testbox with it laterz
[07:00] <unfo> rawrness, easy, just stick in the Windows CD-ROM when VMware is booting.
[07:00] <MicrosoftSpy> crim when i try to add the volume control it returns 'the panel encountered a problem when loading OFAIID GNOME_MixerApplet'. I tried deleting the sound card from the hardware list but it wont let me do it
[07:00] <oranged> DarkMageZ, why do ubuntu devs think its bad?
[07:00] <threat2> MicrosoftSpy: your secret is safe with me
[07:00] <unfo> DarkMageZ, good plan.
[07:00] <jon_> Can someone help, how do I found out what services are running in ubunutu?
[07:01] <Farnaby> which makes typig hard
[07:01] <DarkMageZ> oranged, it used to break systems, i can't verify if it still does
[07:01] <MicrosoftSpy> threat...Thanks bud :) will be sure to let the the big B know
[07:01] <unfo> jon_: why are you curious? :)
[07:01] <Poseidon> oh really !!?as a matter of fact ,I am not familiar with Linux Cmd.
[07:01] <threat2> jon_: netstat -l
[07:01] <threat2> jon_: ps aux
[07:01] <Gevaudan82> jon_: ps -e
[07:01] <crimsun> MicrosoftSpy: what do you mean by "add the volume control"?
[07:01] <Farnaby> Bloody hell
[07:01] <jon_> I'm curious, as I can't get an ircd to let incoming connections in, but as far as I was aware I had no firewall
[07:01] <oranged> DarkMageZ, it hasn't broken anything on this fresh install.. just apt refuses to install packages it can't verify
[07:02] <MicrosoftSpy> crimsum: Right click on task bar to add the volume control to the task bar
[07:02] <chuckyp> !iptables > jon_
[07:02] <unfo> Poseidon, you do not have to know any commands. you can use the Anjuta IDE. it lets you click a button to compile your code.
[07:02] <ixian_> has anyone tried easyubuntu on ubuntu 6.10? does it work?
[07:02] <unfo> ixian_, check the website for updates :)
[07:02] <chuckyp> ixian_, its not recomended or supported here
[07:02] <jon_> chuckyp, yes I've allowed all the relevent ports through iptables and there are no rejected ports, but still no luck
[07:02] <MicrosoftSpy> ixian_: I use automatix and it seems to work ok, but alot of folks don't seem to like it
[07:02] <unfo> !easyubuntu
[07:02] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ (currently down!); for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[07:03] <nothlit> jon_, ubuntu doesn't come default with a firewall enabled, to check services theres system -> administration -> services for a "safety" sort of stupid users service management, or you can install the package bum (boot up manager)
[07:03] <Poseidon> ok I will try it
[07:03] <jon_> I will have a look, thanks
[07:03] <unfo> ixian_, easyubuntu is supported in the easyubuntu channel :)
[07:03] <ixian_> i was asking if anyone here has actually tried it.
[07:03] <crimsun> MicrosoftSpy: so there's no volume icon already?
[07:03] <sethk> MicrosoftSpy, it has a habit of breaking things.  Considered more dangerous.  Nevertheless can be useful.
[07:03] <Poseidon> what about Visual studio2005  Unfo?
[07:04] <Gevaudan82> jon_: if you want a firewall install firestarter or guarddog if your needs are basic...for advanced configuration with a gui use webmin
[07:04] <unfo> Poseidon, doesnt work on Linux.
[07:04] <iloveubunut> anyone good at troubleshooting sound?
[07:04] <unfo> Poseidon, linux has Anjuta and Emacs.
[07:04] <rawrness> unfo:  Don't have a windows install cd
[07:04] <unfo> iloveubunut, just ask :)
[07:04] <unfo> rawrness, get Vista Beta 2.
[07:04] <RancidLM> ubuntu looks bad at 1680x1050  is there a way to fix the fonts for this resolution i would really like to utilize the full  resolution of this monitor?
[07:04] <MicrosoftSpy> crimsun: Nope Under system->Pref-> sound I cant seem to get it to set sound capture back to auto....dunno what I did to it
[07:04] <Lathiat> RancidLM: whats "bad" about it?
[07:04] <iloveubunut> just got 6.10 and I have no sound =(
[07:04] <rawrness> unfo: Don't think my computer could run bista
[07:04] <threat2> Poseidon: there is mono, but it is only .NET 2003, not 2005
[07:04] <Lathiat> RancidLM: you can turn the DPI up if thast what you mean
[07:04] <unfo> rawrness, :(
[07:04] <Lathiat> RancidLM: system->preferneces->fonts ---> advanced
[07:05] <rawrness> STupid shitty emachine
[07:05] <jon_> I don't want a firewall, I want to be able to allow incoming connections from the internet, the program is set up correctly as it runs fine on my other box (not ubunutu) but it won't on ubuntu, any ideas?
[07:05] <chuckyp> !ircd
[07:05] <ubotu> ircd: IRC Server daemon - dummy package. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0 (edgy), package size 6 kB, installed size 36 kB
[07:05] <Gevaudan82> jon_: do you have a hardware router/firewall?
[07:05] <unfo> rawrness, are you at a college or university with MSDNAA?
[07:05] <jon_> nope, and I'm runnning unbuntu 5.04
[07:05] <MicrosoftSpy> jon_ you can still run a firewall and allow incoming connections you just gotta configure it correctly
[07:05] <jon_> it's just my Modem from comp to wall thing
[07:05] <chuckyp> jon_, do you have a broadband router or something?
[07:05] <RancidLM> Lathiat: u "L" pritty much disapear.. and the text is very distorted
[07:05] <unfo> Poseidon, Anjuta is easy and powerful, and Emacs is difficult but ultra-powerful.
[07:05] <jon_> no it's a cable modem
[07:05] <Poseidon> threat2   what's the meaning of mono
[07:05] <Lathiat> RancidLM: hrm.. weird.
[07:06] <Lathiat> RancidLM: i dont have that problem onh my 1680x1050 screen
[07:06] <towsonu2003> MicrosoftSpy, okay I think I found something here... first: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade, try if it works, if not try this: launch synaptic, search for gnome-applets and gnome-applets-data - I found this here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25259.html
[07:06] <chuckyp> jon_, just make sure in your cable modem config that the ports are forwarded for ircd is all.
[07:06] <Lathiat> RancidLM: or is that the incorrect resolutions for your display?
[07:06] <unfo> jon_: does 5.04 still get security updates?
[07:06] <threat2> Poseidon: it is the name of an IDE for C#
[07:06] <RancidLM> Lathiat: u using vga cords? or dvi?
[07:06] <chuckyp> unfo, not anymore.
[07:06] <Lathiat> unfo: no, 5.04 is hoary which is EOL
[07:06] <MicrosoftSpy> thanks tow....will try
[07:06] <Lathiat> RancidLM: thats in a laptop actually
[07:06] <unfo> Lathiat, ah
[07:06] <jon_> unfo, I don't know lol =P
[07:06] <unfo> Jon_, it is risky to run end-of-lifed old versions.
[07:06] <Lathiat> RancidLM: probably dvi equivalent
[07:07] <RancidLM> Lathiat: hmm i wounder if its because im going analog back to digital.. hmm
[07:07] <jon_> chuckyp, how can I do that? there's no router or anything so I'm unsure. Is it a ubuntu program?
[07:07] <threat2> Poseidon: for firewall there is a program named firestarter, it is a frontend for iptables, it is good
[07:07] <towsonu2003> MicrosoftSpy, okay I just saw I posted missing info heheh after searching for the packages, reinstall them :)
[07:07] <jon_> how do I forward the ports?
[07:07] <rawrness> unfo: nope just at home
[07:07] <MicrosoftSpy> tow: yep will read da URL :)
[07:08] <Poseidon> really?firestarter
[07:08] <Jrua> guys
[07:08] <unfo> rawrness, how do you feel about spending $30-$50 online for Win98 or Windows NT 4?
[07:08] <rawrness> So I take it i am fucked and have to continue dual booting?
[07:08] <nmz> is there no 'more advanced' audio control? master equilizer, etc.
[07:08] <unfo> rawrness, ah, you need to set up physical disk access.
[07:08] <towsonu2003> here's the google search i did: http://www.google.com/search?num=20&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=GNOME+Mixer+Applet+OAFIID&spell=1
[07:08] <rawrness> ?
[07:08] <jon_> any ideas chuckyp or unfo?
[07:08] <unfo> rawrness, go to irc.efnet.org channel #vmware and ask how to use /dev/hda1 as your VMWare HDD
[07:08] <towsonu2003> MicrosoftSpy, here's the google search i did: http://www.google.com/search?num=20&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=GNOME+Mixer+Applet+OAFIID&spell=1 , in case you need to check out more links there
[07:09] <unfo> jon_, maybe ask in channel ##networking
[07:09] <puppy> hi , i want to add the ubunyu Cd to apt/sources - how do i do that?
[07:09] <chuckyp> jon_, you would have to look at the directions for your cable modem.  Try navigating your browser to <IP_ADDRESS> for the config or possibly <IP_ADDRESS>  depends on the router.  But it could blocking certain ports.
[07:09] <Jrua> guys I am facing a problem in efgy, when i use gdesklets it utilizes the whole memory.. is this a bug
[07:09] <Jrua> edy*
[07:09] <rawrness> kk
[07:09] <Jrua> guys I am facing a problem in efgy, when i use gdesklets it utilizes the whole memory..
[07:09] <Jrua>           is this a bug
[07:09] <chuckyp> !easycources > puppy
[07:09] <jon_> ok thankyou chuckyp, I'll have a look
[07:09] <crimsun> MicrosoftSpy: first, does sound actually work in any app?
[07:10] <unfo> Poseidon, try anjuta. it's quite good. :)
[07:10] <unfo> do you have a computer you can install Ubuntu on?
[07:11] <unfo> Jon_, or maybe <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:11] <iter> why is automatix "
[07:11] <iter> seriously disliked by the devs"
[07:11] <threat2> Poseidon: yes
[07:11] <puppy> chuckyp, what do u mean?
[07:11] <threat2> Poseidon: apt-get install firestarter to install it
[07:12] <omac> jon: what kind of router have you got?  after connecting your router to the modem, did you do /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[07:12] <Poseidon> No I dont know what should i do
[07:12] <jon_> omac, it auto recognised it and I don't have router, it's a cable modem
[07:12] <nmz> automatix is what?
[07:12] <chuckyp> !easysources | puppy
[07:12] <ubotu> puppy: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:12] <iter> see I don't really buy that
[07:12] <Poseidon> use  vm?
[07:12] <towsonu2003> iter, it causes problems with dist-upgrades, and also it had issues with licensing and security, but I dont think they "seriously" dislike it. at worst, they don't do it :)
[07:13] <towsonu2003> !automatix
[07:13] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[07:13] <unfo> jon_, ask in channel ##networking for help with finding out if your cable modem has a router built in. they can help you use a traceroute tool to find out.
[07:13] <unfo> Poseidon, no, use dual-boot.
[07:13] <towsonu2003> iter, it seems this channel doesn't like it though :)))
[07:13] <unfo> Poseidon, do you have a laptop?
[07:13] <iter> 00:58 < DarkMageZ> oranged, automatrix is not supported, and seriously disliked by the ubuntu devs. try a clean install of the system
[07:14] <omac> jon: what is the manufacturer and model name and number of your cable modem?
[07:14] <iter> right but for what reason
[07:14] <puppy> ubotu, thanks
[07:14] <ubotu> Thanks for the help!
[07:14] <DarkMageZ> iter, cause it has a reputation for breaking systems
[07:14] <DarkMageZ> iter, a well deserved rep. things might have changed in the newer versions tho
[07:14] <RancidLM> the ubuntu startup screen doesn't work with my lcd mointor after grub loads it just goes blank until gdm loads.. the only way currently to see if things are loading correctly is to remove "splash" from loading my kernel  how do i enable splash on a lcd monitor?
[07:14] <iter> I would argue that the population using automatix is prone to breakage
[07:15] <Poseidon> I am just afraid it is not steady  My laptop is a bad
[07:15] <chuckyp> iter, it is a hacked way of installing stuff that is very to easy to install without even using it.   If you check out the wiki or the desktop guide you will be able to get everything going without using it.
[07:15] <unfo> Poseidon, what does "a bad" mean?
[07:15] <iter> chuckyp: how is it hacked
[07:15] <fatlip> i lost the link to flash 9 beta
[07:15] <fatlip> :(
[07:15] <iter> it installs everything the debian way
[07:15] <chuckyp> iter, hacked up way of doing it.
[07:15] <khaije1> a philosophical question, for a personal use server does the extra testing of dapper outweigh the progress made with edgy?
[07:15] <Jrua> anyone understood my problem
[07:15] <omac> Tonight, I managed to try xdvdshrink on Edgy Eft, after installing dvdread and doing a ./install.sh for the css.  DVD was ripped, resized and burned in 32minutes :)
[07:15] <iter> chuckyp: a shell script is 'hacked' ?
[07:15] <chuckyp> iter, it downloads source for some packages and others it apt-gets from non ubuntu repositories
[07:15] <unfo> fatlip, why do you want flash9?
[07:15] <omac> Eft rocks!
[07:16] <Poseidon> it dose't work well
[07:16] <fatlip> so i can watch flash videos? lol
[07:16] <Jrua> guys I am facing a problem in edgy, when i use gdesklets it utilizes the whole memory.. is this a bug ?
[07:16] <iter> chuckyp: as opposed to using apt-get ?
[07:16] <fatlip> it was working well on my old install
[07:16] <iter> going to be hitting same repos w/that
[07:16] <iter> yeah beryl is so pretty
[07:16] <rawrness> beryl is very pretty
[07:16] <iter> I love mousewheel near edge of screen
[07:16] <khaije1> MicrosoftSpy: definitely!
[07:16] <omac> DVDrip on Edgy Eft has no issues after installing libdvdread and then doing the ./install.sh for the css also :)
[07:16] <towsonu2003> khaije1, I would use Dapper for a server... well, I would use Debian stable for a server, but thats just me :)
[07:17] <chuckyp> iter, NON UBUNTU REPOS is the key portion.  Anytime you are installing third party software from different sources you may have problems upgrading or dist-upgrading in the future.  Its just not recomended if you want a better explaination please just search the forums.  Its been discussed to death.
[07:17] <Poseidon> but it is fine with me to do something with windows system
[07:17] <khaije1> towsonu2003: is yr nick refering to TU in maryland?
[07:17] <iter> chuckyp: please show me an ubuntu repo for flas
[07:17] <unfo> !dualboot
[07:17] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64)  -  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[07:17] <iter> or java
[07:17] <iter> or nvidia
[07:17] <towsonu2003> khaije1, yes
[07:17] <iter> I mean cmon
[07:17] <Poseidon> I know
[07:17] <khaije1> towsonu2003: i went to school there, are you still a student?
[07:17] <towsonu2003> khaije1, I just couldn't come up with seomthing better :)
[07:17] <Jrua> guys I am facing a problem in edgy, when i use gdesklets it utilizes the whole memory.. is this a bug ?
[07:17] <chuckyp> iter, look in your sources list
[07:18] <unfo> ubotu, dualboot is <reply>Dual boot instructions for AMD64-based PCs:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64)  -  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[07:18] <towsonu2003> khaije1, nope, graduated. but got stuck with the nick :p
[07:18] <pc22> how do i make a pedal work. im a transcriber http://www.nch.com.au/software/linux.html
[07:18] <iter> chuckyp: why, never installed automatix
[07:18] <unfo> pc22, what software are you using?
[07:18] <iter> chuckyp: but I have added repos to get all the normal stuff working
[07:18] <Poseidon> why not use VM
[07:18] <unfo> Poseidon, VMs are slow.
[07:18] <khaije1> towsonu2003: do you ever attend the baltolug meetings, i wonder if we've met
[07:18] <Jrua> guys I am facing a problem in edgy, when i use gdesklets it utilizes the whole memory.. is this a bug ?
[07:18] <iter> chuckyp: I still don't see the point, and saying that "it's been discussed to death" doesn't really help
[07:18] <towsonu2003> khaije1, no, I'm pretty much a "loner" :p
[07:19] <rawrness> autoers are evil
[07:19] <unfo> towsonu2003, it's good to get out sometimes :)
[07:19] <chuckyp> iter, I'm not going to get in a discussion of why it is bad.  I've told you.
[07:19] <towsonu2003> unfo, lol, but it's too bright outside...
[07:19] <iter> you've said some patently false stuff at least
[07:19] <chuckyp> iter, its not supported here.  Thats pretty much the final answer
[07:19] <chuckyp> iter, No i have not.
[07:19] <khaije1> towsonu2003: ya, unfo is right, I'll save yr nick so i can catch you later, i'm gonna get some rest
[07:20] <omac> iter what are you trying to do?  install the flash plugin for firefox?
[07:20] <chuckyp> omac, he's trolling
[07:20] <iter> no man I got everything working fine thank
[07:20] <iter> and I'm not trolling
[07:20] <azureal> sigh...reg sound was kinda messed up by installing and uninstalling =/
[07:20] <Poseidon> how much space  dose this ubuntu need
[07:20] <towsonu2003> khaije1, good night -I usually hang in the forums though :)
[07:20] <azureal> wrong chan.
[07:20] <iter> I just saw someone say devs hate automatix
[07:20] <pc22> unfo, express scribe
[07:20] <firebird619> I just started Ubuntu and it just gets through GRUB and then the screen goes black and stays that way, I don't get to the login screen. This has occured the past couple days off and on. What can I do to fix this issue?
[07:20] <jonkelle> actually, if iter wants to use automatix.... and 'possibly' (I say possibly, because I have repeatedly used it since early Breezy with no problem) why can't you just say we don't support automatix here?  and let it be at that?
[07:20] <chuckyp> Poseidon, depends on what you want to install?  Will this be a desktop setup?
[07:20] <iter> and I wanted to know if that were actually the case
[07:20] <unfo> pc22, where did you download it from?
[07:20] <towsonu2003> polttaja-, 10GB and you'll be happy, 5GB at least I guess
[07:20] <khaije1> oic, gdnight
[07:21] <chuckyp> iter, it is the case
[07:21] <iter> got a reference?
[07:21] <jonkelle> you can get all the support you need for automatix on their forums anyhow.
[07:21] <iter> I'd like to know why
[07:21] <pc22> http://www.nch.com.au/software/linux.html
[07:21] <chuckyp> !automatix | iter
[07:21] <ubotu> iter: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[07:21] <jerb_> automatix is like making homemade cardboard gaskets for your porsche
[07:21] <unfo> Poseidon, 3 GB minimum. But I think the installer will steal half your hard disk automatically unless you tell it not to.
[07:21] <towsonu2003> Poseidon, yea, be careful with the installer :)
[07:22] <Poseidon> god
[07:22] <towsonu2003> lol
[07:22] <unfo> how much disk space does the installer take automatically? is it 50%?
[07:22] <Poseidon> too much
[07:22] <unfo> Poseidon, you can reduce it easily.
[07:23] <Poseidon> ok i got it
[07:23] <jonkelle> so, anyhow iter just check out the automatix forums if you have any problems.  if you're smart enough to edit a /etc/apt/sources.list you can probably not worry too much about what it does.  Most of the 'non-free' stuff, it actually just does a wget on and for the most part, the sources.list is only slightly modified, with it marked clearly what automatix added.
[07:23] <unfo> rawrness, if you get no answer try http://www.vmware.com/community/index.jsp
[07:23] <pc22> unfo, actually i cant make it to work
[07:23] <unfo> pc22, but what website did you download it from?
[07:24] <towsonu2003> jonkelle, I don't like the linking of not-wanting-to-edit-sources.lst -> stupidity
[07:24] <pc22> http://www.nch.com.au/software/linux.html
[07:24] <pc22> unfo, http://www.nch.com.au/software/linux.html
[07:24] <pc22> unfo, i did everything in the instruction
[07:24] <towsonu2003> jonkelle, we all have been newbies at one point, and I for one would enjoy automatic installation of various stuff...
[07:25] <unfo> omac, thank you for the tip but why did you PM? :-)
[07:25] <jonkelle> read what I typed, it doesn't say that.
[07:25] <jonkelle> I said if you're smart enough to do it, then automatix won't kill your day.
[07:25] <unfo> pc22, how much does automatic scribe cost?
[07:25] <towsonu2003> jonkelle, "if you're smart enough to edit a /etc/apt/sources.list you can probably not worry too much about what it does" but this is going to become a flamewar, I shut up :)
[07:25] <jonkelle> which I mean.  if you're smart enough.
[07:25] <Farnaby> Ahah! It took some mucking about but the ubuntu machine has graphics agaiN!
[07:25] <jonkelle> not if you're a newbie.
[07:26] <pc22> unfo, the one im using is free
[07:26] <iter> hehe I'm not afraid of editing a makefile or two
[07:26] <iter> just wondering the rationale behind the anti-automatix comment
[07:26] <eyequeue> also, automatix is highly UN-recommended in here, it breaks too many systems
[07:26] <jonkelle> if you're a newbie, you're probably just figuring out how to open the gui's right?
[07:26] <eyequeue> !automatix
[07:26] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[07:26] <iter> looks like it was arnieboy who had personal beef w/the automatix guy
[07:26] <rawrness> XD
[07:26] <unfo> omac, > "I just don't want to litter the chat with stuff others might not be interested in." >> don't worry, it is on-topic.
[07:26] <rawrness> auto scripts are evil
[07:27] <iter> and since he used to be a ubuntu dev...
[07:27] <iter> that must be where it came from
[07:27] <jonkelle> arnieboy authored the original automatix
[07:27] <rawrness> noobs like i was should learn how to set things up
[07:27] <unfo> omac, > "the default ubuntu install takes about 7-8 GB's." >> so it takes 5-6 GB for free ext3 space?
[07:27] <jonkelle> now it's more of a community effort.
[07:27] <Farnaby> and I think I discovered where the screensaver issue is. Anybody know where the option to lower colors is?
[07:28] <Poseidon> why dose it need so much space?
[07:28] <towsonu2003> Farnaby, I believe in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:28] <unfo> Poseidon, it does not. you can tell it to take only 2 or 3 GB.
[07:28] <iter> ah I see arnieboy had the beef with the ubuntu dev
[07:28] <Poseidon> oh
[07:28] <tzadikim> so...i appear to be too stupid to figure out how to fix a udev mounting root file systems bug in dapper, but it's apparently been addressed in the edgy release...should i try edgy, or is it gonna be too much for a complete newbie? do i wait for feisty?
[07:29] <jonkelle> and half the reason ubuntu is gaining steam is that it is newb friendly.  not all pc users want/need to know how it works under the sheets.
[07:29] <towsonu2003> tzadikim, what's the bug # ?
[07:29] <unfo> tzadikim, go with edgy. and no, you are not stupid. IMO anyone who manages to install and use Ubuntu and get on IRC is above-average intelligence :)
[07:30] <tzadikim> haha, well, i haven't installed or used ubuntu yet