[05:36] <genii> shazo   bah no wonder tab completion no good, they left
[05:36] <truna> Kalamansi, much easier me think than firestarter, am biased since i have not learned firestarter..manual hack..heh
[05:36] <Kalamansi> nickrud : ahhh ok.. im also doing research on how to cheat the sheet of terminal commands easy way
[05:36] <Kalamansi> truna : hehehe i am not good in typing in terminal
[05:36] <sethk> nickrud, I wondered how xchat magically appears.  New name; make sense.
[05:37] <Trebel> firefly2442: that happened to me when i got a virus in windows, had IE connecting through a proxy server sometimes
[05:37] <J-_> Is there anyway to rid the handles? I guess you'd call them on a panel that isn't expanded? like when I put full transparency on a panel both ends are still white. Can I get rid of them?
[05:37] <Chris|> how do i get extract on my menu in nautilus?
[05:37] <nickrud> sethk: xchat is old, I'm not sure what you mean
[05:37] <firefly2442> Trebel: no IE is doing it correctly, I want the 404 to show up, I'm actually setting it in a PHP page
[05:37] <supersako> how can i connect to my windows machine from my ubuntu laptop??
[05:37] <Kalamansi> truna i just migrated to ubuntu tho very fast internet so far than xp home. i made a tally i install fresh ubuntu and fresh xp home. i compared it by browsing the net. ubuntu is fast than xp home
[05:37] <Trebel> oh, nm then
[05:37] <NoelJB> nickrud, I've got Gutsy on one USB external drive, Hardy on another, MS-Windows on the internal drive.  Working toward being able to ditch MS-Windows as my host system, and use Ubuntu.  So testing early and often for hardware support is key.
[05:38] <supersako> i went to System -> Network when i try to connect im supplying my username and password and domain MSHOME
[05:38] <truna> Kalamansi, okay
[05:38] <sethk> nickrud, You said there is a problem with the name, so ubuntu changed the name.  If that's not what you meant to say, tell me.
[05:38] <nickrud> NoelJB: yup, I see your reasons. I'm more patient :)
[05:39] <nickrud> sethk: gaim became pidgin, xchat is a separate app. If I misunderstood you it's not a unique experience in my life
[05:39] <vexati0n> so.. i downloaded kde4.. blah.
[05:39] <nickrud> sethk: I'm resigned to screwing up while listening :)
[05:39] <sethk> nickrud, no, I probably said gaim,
[05:40] <Kalamansi> truna: same thing with bulmer. i mean the typing words or whatever that thing you call but advance
[05:40] <truna> NoelJB, having two external USB drive, how does your bios tell which of the two it can boot from?
[05:40] <sethk> nickrud, my fault this time.  :)
[05:40] <flamesage> Hola.
[05:40] <flamesage> Can you guys recomend some themes for my new Ubuntu? :)
[05:41] <flamesage> What are some good themes for Ubuntu?
[05:41] <Trebel> flamesage: www.gnome-look.org
[05:41] <nickrud> flamesage: I like gion icons, use generic control themes
[05:41] <flamesage> Well yeah
[05:41] <Kalamansi> !cheat sheet
[05:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheat sheet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:41] <flamesage> I looked there..
[05:41] <flamesage> But.. I didn't find anything good.
[05:41] <nickrud> flamesage: art.gnome.org tries to select the quality ones
[05:41] <flamesage> Any themes you guys personally like?
[05:41] <sethk> supersako, basic question:  is samba installed on configured?
[05:41] <flamesage> i've looked there too >_>
[05:42] <Proteque> flamesage: milk
[05:42] <supersako> i have samba installed yes
[05:42] <supersako> on the ubuntu machine right?
[05:42] <bazhang> heh
[05:42] <theshadow> how do I install the nvidia panel?
[05:42] <Trebel> flamesage: i really like mandolux for my backgrounds
[05:42] <Kalamansi> truna : what are the other ker word aside from " cheat sheet" ? cannot find some cheat sheet typing . someone told me here (i forgot his nick) that there is an "old school" term for hacking the cheat sheet for easy typing
[05:42] <sethk> supersako, yes, the other side is really windows.
[05:42] <flamesage> Any otheres you guys prefer?
[05:43] <sethk> theshadow, same way it was installed in the first place.
[05:43] <supersako> doesnt samba come with ubuntu?
[05:43] <sid> I have this DVD9 unencrypted directory, with VIDEO_TS, what gui burning software can I use to burn this to a Dual Layer DVD-R I have?
[05:43] <supersako> i have 7.19
[05:43] <bazhang> flamesage: not really the right channel for this; best to join offtopic
[05:43] <supersako> 7.10*
[05:43] <flamesage> how do I join that?
[05:43] <truna> Kalamansi, i dont know, a cheat sheet is basically a shortcut notes
[05:43] <theshadow> sethk: that doesn't really help.
[05:43] <Trebel> do /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:43] <theshadow> sethk: if I knew that I wouldn't have asked
[05:43] <bazhang> flamesage: /join #ubuntu-offtopic or click on the link
[05:44] <heatmzzr> hello all, is there a way to have different desktop images on the switcher like kde?
[05:44] <bazhang> sid not sure have you tried devede?
[05:45] <ForgetYouNot> whats is a fast bit torrent for linux?
[05:45] <supersako> hmm i need a samba server running in order to access windows?? i thought thats if i want windows to acess linux
[05:45] <peabody> ForgetYouNot: If you have the RAM, azureus, if not, probably uTorrent through wine
[05:45] <sid> ForgetYouNot: bittyrant
[05:45] <jason> hey guys i've installed the propreitry ati driver, i cant start compiz cause the dual head resolution is to high. but when i try to change it in xorg.conf it seems to have no affect. would the res be stored somewhere else?
[05:45] <firefly2442> ForgetYouNot: rtorrent
[05:45] <truna> sid that new wodim seems to do lots, dont know if it can do your DVD9 to dual layer
[05:46] <ForgetYouNot> thanks for the info
[05:46] <sethk> supersako, it's included in the repositories.  You may need to install it with apt-get (or synaptic).
[05:46] <bazhang> !info samba
[05:46] <supersako> sethk why would i need samba-server to access windows
[05:46] <ubotu> samba: a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.26a-1ubuntu2.3 (gutsy), package size 3751 kB, installed size 9212 kB
[05:46] <NoelJB> truna, pretty easily, actually.  I get a menu asking me from which drive I want to boot.
[05:46] <truna> supersako, what do you really want to do anyways between windows and linux?
[05:47] <NoelJB> truna, and I have more than two USB drives.  those are just the ones currently housing bootable systems.
[05:47] <sethk> supersako, I didn't say samba server, I side the entire samba.
[05:47] <bazhang> its optionul supersako
[05:47] <htmljunkie> e
[05:47] <supersako> well
[05:47] <supersako> i am on a linux laptop on my wireless network just need to access my windows computer on the server and get my music
[05:47] <sethk> supersako, installing it is very quick, so install it and eliminate that variable.
[05:47] <NoelJB> supersako, you don't.  I was just browsing the local LAN here with a clean Hardy install.
[05:48] <truna> NoelJB, thanks for satisfying my curiosity, i didnt realize boot from usb will seek all bootable usb drives it sees
[05:48] <supersako> sethk i dont want a process running if i dont need it ( samba server )
[05:48] <NoelJB> truna, depends on your BIOS, I suppose.
[05:49] <sethk> supersako, I never said to run the server (which actually get's launched if an approriate request arrives, which means it not really runnin)
[05:49] <Kalamansi> yeah short cut note truna
[05:49] <truna> NoelJB, right, am still on an old mobo, cant even support a usb boot, well maybe usb fdd  as i was able touse  damn small linux
[05:49] <sethk> supersako, at a minimum you need sambafs
[05:49] <whabo> hello i have a question why videos go blank ( black ) on VLC player?? i mean it plays fine in any player excpet VLC it plays for few seconds but if i touch the window it goes black .. and only the audio plays .. any suggestions??? thank you PLEASE HELP
[05:49] <supersako> i tried with samba same error
[05:49] <bazhang> whabo: with compiz?
[05:50] <Kalamansi> truna : bazhang the bruce lee : lgc : thanks alot i am reading it now..
[05:50] <truna> supersako, so you basically have some files in windows and want to transfer those to linux?
[05:50] <qfour21> I just applied some updates to a fiesty box and rebooted and X won't start.  Last message in the logs is "Fatal server error: no screens found"
[05:50] <SamHamwich> Wireless problem: Under Feisty and Gutsy, I my compaq laptop can detect my wireless hub, but no application can actually reach the net.  I have tried manual configuration instead of NetworkManager - System/Administration/Network shows the wireless connection as active.  Still no net access (eg with Firefox).  anybody have any suggestions?
[05:50] <whabo> bazhang yes with compiz
[05:50] <lgc> Kalamansi, happy reading!
[05:50] <sethk> supersako, tell us what you mean.  Tell us what you ran, and tell is the _exact_ response.
[05:50] <whabo> any idea why
[05:50] <NoelJB> supersako, I can do that right now without installing anything beyond a clean install.  What problem are you having?
[05:50] <qfour21> nvidia module shows up using lsmod
[05:50] <bazhang> whabo: what about with compiz disabled? does that work?
[05:50] <Kalamansi> !ati
[05:50] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:50] <Trebel> qfour21: did it rewrite your xorg.conf file?
[05:50] <whabo> bazhang : yes if i disable compiz
[05:51] <sethk> SamHamwich, in the routing table, the default route should point to the wireless access point.
[05:51] <SamHamwich> Note; I did (and do) connect OK under Edgy
[05:51] <whabo> bazbang: tho any other player plays it fine....
[05:51] <qfour21> Trebel: not that I know of.  My customizations (resolution and such) are still there.
[05:51] <NoelJB> supersako, Places -> Network -> Windows Network -> [my network] -> [our systems] -> [their resources]    working fine.  I'm browsing as I type.
[05:51] <supersako> ya i did that
[05:51] <truna> SamHamwich, does your pc have an ip address? check via  iwconfig wlan0   assuming wlan0 is your nic name
[05:51] <SamHamwich> thanks sethk.  where do i find the routing table?
[05:51] <Chris|> how do i get extract on my menu in nautilus?
[05:51] <supersako> i get up to C$ folder
[05:52] <bazhang> whabo: I have had that problem as well; suspect it is more compiz related then ubuntu though--I just shut down compiz when watching movies as a workaround--you can also ask in the compiz-fusion channel if anyone is around :}
[05:52] <sethk> SamHamwich, at the command line, route (no arguments) lists the current routing table.  There is a flag for netstat to get it in the netstat output.
[05:52] <xubuntu> help i need to know how down lode java to play games on pogo please
[05:52] <whabo> bazhang thank you
[05:52] <bazhang> xubuntu: what is pogo?
[05:52] <Kalamansi> truna : bazhang : lgc : lunch time be back in a few. =) thanks
[05:52] <bazhang> no worries whabo
[05:52] <Kalamansi> bazhang : do you sleep?
[05:52] <Kalamansi> you always chat
[05:53] <deostroll> Dual boot not loading. Help...
[05:53] <NoelJB> supersako, are you sure that the system you are browsing to has anything else shared?
[05:53] <Kalamansi> hehe
[05:53] <bazhang> Kalamansi: I am a bot
[05:53] <sethk> SamHamwich, easiest way to run "route" at the command line.  See what the settings are currently.
[05:53] <Kalamansi> ok lunch
[05:53] <supersako> hmm
[05:53] <whabo> bazbang im playing the DVD with mplayer and it plays it fine but VLC cant ... o well ill stick with mplayer
[05:53] <Kalamansi> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa bazhang
[05:53] <supersako> ya let me check the shared folders
[05:53] <Trebel> qfour21: i hate that error, could be many things, for me its always been a nvidia problem, but as long as your loading the right drivers, nvidia instead of nv you should be ok
[05:53] <Kalamansi> bazhang : serious?
[05:53] <Kalamansi> !bazhang
[05:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bazhang - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:53] <supersako> prob stupid windows giving me problems ;)
[05:53] <Kalamansi> !bot
[05:53] <Trebel> deostroll: what did you do?
[05:53] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:53] <bazhang> Kalamansi: see you after lunch
[05:53] <Kalamansi> nah you are not
[05:53] <Kalamansi> ok ok bazhang
[05:53] <bazhang> no I am not
[05:53] <Kalamansi> bazhang : gua ai di
[05:53] <SamHamwich> truna, i don't see an ip address, unless it is "Access Point: 00:18:02:70:5F:08"
[05:54] <NoelJB> keep in mind that we're only browsing storage resources.  not printers, etc., as far as I can see (since I know which of our systems export printers, and I only see the file system shares).
[05:54] <truna> SamHamwich, lest you get an ip address, you can not get anywhere
[05:54] <sethk> bazhang, last I checked, bot's don't get lunch.
[05:54] <deostroll> Trebel: downloaded the file from google and followed the instructions as per that web page. The system sits idle when I select ubuntu...
[05:54] <sethk> NoelJB, that's the mac address at a layer lower than you are interested in.
[05:55] <Fade2BLK> man wtf is up wtin efnet servers
[05:55] <bazhang> whabo: contrary to popular opinion mplayer is just as good or better than vlc--at least imo
[05:55] <Trebel> deostroll: are you using vista or xp?
[05:55] <truna> SamHamwich, do this,  iwconfig wlan0  and pastebin the results
[05:55] <bazhang> sethk: haha
[05:55] <Chris|> mplayer is good i like totem though
[05:55] <deostroll> Trebel: I use xp.
[05:55] <Chris|> i actually dont even like vlc my two cents
[05:55] <NoelJB> sethk, Huh?  Context?
[05:55] <khirr> how can i change nautilus for thunar? (mean default)
[05:56] <SamHamwich> sethk and truna, "route" shows an I.P. address of <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:56] <NoelJB> sethk, or did you just mean that for someone else, e.g., SamHamwich ?
[05:56] <truna> SamHamwich, lest you get an ip address, you can not get anywhere..pastebin your iwconfig wlan0  results
[05:56] <scurry7> hello
[05:56] <sethk> noeljb not for you, sorry, I was confusing two users.
[05:56] <NoelJB> sethk, :-)
[05:56] <Trebel> deostroll: did you get my pm?
[05:57] <SamHamwich> umm.. pastebin?  sorry, i don't know the term
[05:57] <deostroll> Trebel: no.
[05:57] <heatmzzr> is there a way to run gnome and kde, not at the same time but on the same machine
[05:57] <truna> !pastebin | SamHamwich
[05:57] <ubotu> SamHamwich: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:57] <SamHamwich> truna, sorry, i don't know "pastebin"
[05:57] <sethk> heatmzzr, sure.
[05:57] <vexati0n> heatmzzr: you can run gnome and kde at the same time, it just sucks.
[05:57] <flamesage> I have a question..
[05:57] <heatmzzr> haha
[05:58] <sethk> heatmzzr, simply install both, you can choose one at login time
[05:58] <flamesage> If I download Kubuntu Hardy Alpha 3, will I be able to simply do a sudo apt-get update to upgrade to the new KDE 4.0?
[05:58] <sethk> heatmzzr, I thought you said "not at once"
[05:58] <Trebel> deostroll: essentially what you're doing is copying your linux kernel to your windows partition and booting off of it, the problem with this is each time you do a kernel update you're going to have to do this all over again
[05:58] <NoelJB> flamesage, Hardy is in the #ubuntu+1 channel
[05:58] <sethk> heatmzzr, I have gnome and kde (not to mention several other) desktops installed.
[05:58] <Trebel> deostroll: with the old redhat and lilo this was necessary, but grub is a much better bootloader, go here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[05:59] <Trebel> deostroll: it will overwrite your MBR and have linux manage it instead of windows
[06:00] <scurry7> NoelJB: I'm back with questions... (nvidia 7900 - driver probs...)
[06:00] <scurry7> I did a nvidia-installer --update (which updated me to the version you linked me to) and it works fine BUT after a reboot gdm to load.  I've check my xorg.conf it does not change - i even deleted it did a dpkg-reconfigure (as stated in the xorg.conf) then ran the nvidia-xconfig, nothing works.  ANY IDEAS?
[06:00] <deostroll> Trebel: Ok will check it out. Thanks.
[06:00] <sethk> SamHamwich, that's not an IP, it's the base of an ip block.
[06:01] <xubuntu> help can,t download java  please help
[06:01] <heatmzzr> ok ima newbie. sethk, how do i do that?
[06:01] <Trebel> deostroll: np, with what you've already done  you can do this no problem
[06:01] <NoelJB> scurry7, that's just weird.  check the permissions on /etc/X11.  I can give you my config, for all the good it might do.
[06:01] <supersako> yay it works
[06:01] <supersako> it was microbsoft windows ;(
[06:02] <Trebel> scurry7: sudo nvidia-xconfig ?
[06:02] <NoelJB> supersako, ain't it always the case ... LOL
[06:02] <scurry7> NoelJB: well the thing is my xorg.conf is working now
[06:02] <scurry7> Trebel: let me try that (inside gdm or shoud i stop it first?)
[06:02] <Trebel> you have to stop it
[06:03] <SamHamwich> sethk, truna... i've pasted the output from iwconfig eth1 and route at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51531/
[06:03] <NoelJB> scurry7, so what exactly is the problem, if your xorg.conf is OK now?
[06:03] <jklfdjskl> compiz fusion kicks ass
[06:03] <bazhang> language jklfdjskl
[06:03] <Trebel> scurry7: ctrl alt f4
[06:03] <jklfdjskl> lol ok
[06:04] <scurry7> NoelJB: i dont think it the xorg.conf......(the config stays the same, but when i reboot all of a sudden gdm will not load (with out having to reinstall the driver from nvidia script))
[06:04] <scurry7> Trebel: sorry if forgot i did the nvidia-xconfig already
[06:04] <sethk> SamHamwich, try using an IP address instead of chico.  Using a name, you are vulnerable to dns problems.
[06:05] <truna> SamHamwich, can you add your  ifconfig eth1 results too? we'd like to see your ip address
[06:05] <Trebel> scurry7: was just making sure you did it as superuser
[06:05] <htmljunkie> hey i'm on xubuntu , im' trying to put a dock on like zenwalk has
[06:05] <htmljunkie>  how do I do that?  install avant-window-navigator?
[06:05] <scurry7> Trebel: oh right...( i did it as superuser - :-[)
[06:06] <SamHamwich> sethk, how do i "use" an i.p. address
[06:06] <scurry7> all: so if it is not my xorg.conf what else can i check???
[06:06] <Char> For some reason I can't get 1400x1050 running with X. Running Gutsy on a lenovo thinkpad T60 with a Radeon Mobility X1300. Here is my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/850447
[06:06] <kirk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S-_5ZjLHKc&NR=1
[06:06] <bazhang> htmljunkie: not sure what the zenwalk one looks like but awn is a dock like thing yes
[06:07] <jklfdjskl> other than upgrading hardware, how can i rid myself of that annoying black flicker on the firefox menu bar when i open it
[06:07] <htmljunkie> how do i install it?
[06:07] <bazhang> kirk: is there a support question tied to that video?
[06:07] <jklfdjskl> oops wrong room
[06:07] <kirk> yes
[06:07] <kirk> thier is just let me find it
[06:07] <sethk> SamHamwich, you use ###.###.###.###  instead of "chico" in your example.
[06:07] <NoelJB> scurry7, weird.
[06:08] <bazhang> htmljunkie: the forums have some info, and a simple net search of ubuntu gutsy awn will yield some nice walkthroughs
[06:08] <roky> hi there all, Can someone help me out with a problem I am currently having with firefox here in ubuntu, I just installed ubuntu again and For the past few days I havent been able to figure out why anyyy kind of media wont load correctly in ff
[06:08] <SamHamwich> sethk and truna, i've added ifconfig to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51533/
[06:08] <htmljunkie> k
[06:09] <heatmzzr> sethk, how do i install kde desktop and pick which one to run or whatever?
[06:09] <SamHamwich> sethk, sounds reasonable.  how do i get an I.P. address, and how do i add it to the table?
[06:10] <truna> SamHamwich, the "chico" is that something you have added or is that something that came from your dhcp server (ap/dhcp server?)
[06:10] <sethk> heatmzzr, Easiest way is to use synaptic, which has a KDE section.  If you know the pseudo-package name, you can just sudo apt-get install kde-desktop
[06:10] <Char> For some reason I can't get 1400x1050 running with X. Running Gutsy on a lenovo thinkpad T60 with a Radeon Mobility X1300. Here is my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/850447
[06:10] <sethk> heatmzzr, the install adds it to the list of available desktops.  Then, at the login screen, you change the session.
[06:11] <roky> hi there all, Can someone help me out with a problem I am currently having with firefox here in ubuntu, I just installed ubuntu again and For the past few days I havent been able to figure out why anyyy kind of media wont load correctly in ff
[06:11] <sethk> heatmzzr, there are numerous login managers around, but I'm sure you'll find it for the one you are using.
[06:12] <sethk> SamHamwich, easy question first.   command to add it to the routing table.  You remove the current values, also using the route command with route delete
[06:12] <rrbiz> roky: what kind of media ?
[06:12] <sethk> SamHamwich,  hopefully "host chico" will show you the IP of chico
[06:13] <IcemanV9> Char: comment out the line "DisplaySize  370 277" ... btw, i have tp z60m with 1400x1050
[06:13] <_MattB> how can i get the progress of a dd operation? the example from the man page seems to give statistics on the speed, but nothing about how much has completed
[06:13] <roky> anything rrbiz, mp3, wav, and type of video files anything media and it either wont display or is all messed up with the play button in the middle of the screen or something
[06:13] <Char> IcemanV9: will try, thanks.
[06:13] <truna> sethk did he add that "chico" manually? or was that doled out by the dhcp server in his AP?
[06:14] <sethk> truna, don't know.  My ubuntu boxes use IPs when I get info from a dhcp server, but I'm not sure that's universally true.
[06:14] <rrbiz> roky: earlier i couldn't play flash video due to the plugin not being in the right place
[06:15] <truna> sethk i think that is pretty universal, how he got that "chico" in the route tables, he must have added those manually
[06:15] <roky> erm, I installed it with ff though
[06:15] <bazhang> roky: this is feisty? gutsy
[06:15] <roky> gutsy
[06:15] <roky> bazhang
[06:16] <char> IcemanV9: unfortunately that didn't work.
[06:16] <bazhang> roky: do you have the ubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[06:16] <char> I restarted X and nothing.
[06:16] <roky> bazhang, I doubt it, lmao
[06:16] <char> the problem was that I tried to install the ati-driver-installer
[06:16] <bazhang> roky: well that would be a starting point--check if that is installed
[06:17] <IcemanV9> char: did you follow the wiki on installing ATI? that's where i got it to work on mine
[06:18] <roky> bazhang, Im installing with terminal right now
[06:18] <BRUCE_> i need to get a good ISO burning prog. can anyone help??????????
[06:18] <char> I've reverted back to the original driver now.
[06:18] <char> The restricted driver.
[06:18] <bazhang> roky: that should hopefully clear it up
[06:18] <char> Just trying to get my resolution back to normal.
[06:18] <IcemanV9> char: also, i was able to get 1680x1050 to work; much better resolution than 1440 one
[06:18] <roky> bazhang, yes I hope so
[06:18] <roky> bruce....do you need to make iso's or to be able to burn them to a disk?
[06:18] <bazhang> BRUCE_: for burning iso files youcan right clikc open with cd/dvd creator
[06:19] <BRUCE_> i tryed it didnt burn
[06:19] <char> How can I check what driver I have installed?
[06:19] <haxality> hey all
[06:19] <bazhang> BRUCE_: this is in ubuntu right? windows uses something different
[06:19] <winkman> Hi, can someone tell me how to install an older version of a program (namely libboost-date-time)
[06:19] <haxality> when I boot my system with ndiswrapper in /etc/modules, it hangs for about 6 minutes on login
[06:19] <BRUCE_> im on 7.10
[06:20] <bazhang> BRUCE_: what iso file--that might be the problem
[06:20] <char> IcemanV9: It's still reading my card as an X1400 for some reason.
[06:20] <IcemanV9> char: fglrxinfo
[06:20] <haxality> does anyone know if there's a simple fix, or if this is a bigger underlying ndiswrapper issue?
[06:20] <winkman> anyone?
[06:20] <bazhang> winkman: why would you want to do that?
[06:20] <BRUCE_> in a new OS called gOS (based ok 7.10)
[06:21] <BRUCE_> on
[06:21] <haxality> gOS != Ubuntu 7.10
[06:21] <truna> haxality, i believe its because its attempting to search for AP, and associate at boot?
[06:21] <haxality> it's heavily based on it, but it's not identical
[06:21] <winkman> bazhang: because a program (campcaster) requires libboost-date-time1.33.1 and i have libboost1.34.1...
[06:21] <bazhang> BRUCE_: oh, then wrong channel that is not ubuntu and not supported here
[06:21] <haxality> truna, that could very well be possible! is there a way to prevent this?
[06:21] <char> IcemanV9: http://pastebin.ca/850457
[06:21] <haxality> or change the timeout period?
[06:21] <BRUCE_> in talking about buring tho!
[06:21] <BRUCE_> ...
[06:22] <haxality> BRUCE_, I didn't mean to sound like I was shooing you away
[06:22] <xubuntu> how do i download jave used to play games on pogo? please
[06:22] <koshaboi> what's the channel for the beta ubuntu chat?
[06:22] <IcemanV9> char: after you installed the video driver, did you try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ?
[06:22] <bazhang> BRUCE_: who knows how gOS does things? no one here certainly
[06:22] <winkman> bazhang: so do you know?
[06:22] <char> IcemanV9: Yea, I'm not sure what to put for all of the settings.
[06:22] <truna> haxality, umm dont load ndiswrapper at boot?
[06:22] <haxality> :(
[06:22] <bazhang> koshaboi: #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:22] <BRUCE_> ok... but5 i meant burning (in just need a good burner)
[06:22] <roky> bazhang, gOS is a dumbed down version of ubuntu
[06:22] <haxality> I was hoping there was a less kludgy way than that :P
[06:23] <kahrytan> !hardy | koshaboi
[06:23] <ubotu> koshaboi: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[06:23] <haxality> BRUCE_, if you have the kde libs, k3b is excellent.
[06:23] <bazhang> winkman campcaster? not really sure--you might try the forums/search engines
[06:23] <haxality> BRUCE_, it's basically like using nero on windows
[06:23] <IcemanV9> char: it should be automatically created a new one without asking
[06:23] <BRUCE_> coo, i preciate the hellp
[06:23] <winkman> bazhang: It's a radio broadcasting app, www.campware.org
[06:23] <BRUCE_> thanx
[06:23] <char> It asks me to fill out information.
[06:23] <haxality> BRUCE_, any time
[06:24] <BRUCE_> take care
[06:24] <bazhang> BRUCE_: there are plenty of good burners, but as gOS uses e17 not sure what they support--best to go to their support site
[06:25] <IcemanV9> char: your video has mesa and mine has ATI (x600); little difference
[06:25] <damo22> im pretty happy with xfce i dont think ill bother changing to e17
[06:25] <char> IcemanV9: Probably why that other thing didn't work. =P
[06:25] <roky> well, the install didnt work
[06:26] <koshaboi> Are KDE4 packages up yet?
[06:26]  * mypapit out!!!
[06:26] <Nereos> hi
[06:26] <jay2xra> hi everyone.... i'm having problem with my wireless connection.... anyone willing to help?
[06:27] <IcemanV9> char: yeah ... i have seen it does work with mesa in ubuntuforums.org and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATIhere's the wiki that helped me -->
[06:27] <roky> can anyone help me with trying to get media displayed properly in firefox in gutsy
[06:27] <sandma2> Can anyone help me install a ATI video card?
[06:27] <sandma2> well the drivers for a ATI Card?
[06:28] <bazhang> roky: the install failed? can you be more precise? those are the packages you need
[06:28] <SamHamwich> sethk, truna... i just realized, the stuff I pastebin'd for you was from my current session under edgy - it won't help with the feisty/gutsy problem.   I'lll have to disconnect, to re-boot under gutsy and try the stuff you suggested.  I'll come back with (at least) the correct output if i can't fix it.  thanks
[06:28]  * IcemanV9 just reread his reply ... man, must be tired
[06:28] <bazhang> sandma2: want a factoid/link?
[06:29] <sandma2> ok
[06:29] <roky> bazhang: no,, the install finished with 0 errors, but for some reason or another. it still is displayed alll messed up like it was before
[06:29] <bazhang> !ati | sandma2
[06:29] <ubotu> sandma2: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:29] <IcemanV9> sandma2: follow the wiki --> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[06:29] <bazhang> roky: you did quit and restart firefox right?
[06:29] <roky> bazhang: lawl, yeah
[06:30] <bazhang> roky: what are the precise errors you are getting? problems with flash? mp3 what
[06:31] <bazhang> when will flash be fixed ugh
[06:31] <roky> bazhang: there's no errors in firefox literally. It says its actually completed the page and loaded it, but when I look at it, all media is messed up totally. There's not really an "error" message displayed
[06:31] <bazhang> roky: messed up? like black screen for flash or what and what about streaming mp3
[06:31] <sandma2> hmmmm doesnt seem to reconize the card?? What could be wrong??
[06:32] <bazhang> sandma2: what card? do you have the correct drivers installed?
[06:33] <roky> bazhang: streaming mp3, unless its embedded, and even then it wont play. Like for instance on myspace, trying to play something for music, the player acts like its about to load into the song. But it ends up disappearing. For videos, all the buttons are all over the video screen, the play buttong will be right in the middle of the movie screen, the pause button will be where the fast forward button is suppose to be etc...
[06:34] <sandma2> its a ATI Radeon HD 2400 Pro PCI Express Graphics card
[06:34] <sandma2> no the right drivers arnt installed. Thats what i am trying to do
[06:34] <bazhang> roky: hmm-sounds bad--what card and what driver for video and how did you install it? please dont say automatix or envy
[06:34] <jay2xra> help: two cards connected to two access points... first do an rsync via the first card... getting 60/kbps, then do an rsync via the second card, now the first rsync becomes 30/kbps... it slowed down the first connection even though data are traveling on separate interfaces.... any idea?
[06:35] <bazhang> sandma2: are you a speed reader? :} those links should be able to get you going
[06:35] <roky> bazhang: lmao, nah bro. Nvidia, I ran the glx install then I installed all the compiz fusion through updates and synaptic
[06:36] <sandma2> they say to use the Restricted Driver Manager but there are no drivers there
[06:36] <bazhang> roky: ah good phew! with compiz running? there seems to be a lot of complaints with compiz and video these days--did you see how it is with compiz disabled--this might pinpoint the problem
[06:36] <jay2xra> yuhu...
[06:36] <jay2xra> help: two cards connected to two access points... first do an rsync via the first card... getting 60/kbps, then do an rsync via the second card, now the first rsync becomes 30/kbps... it slowed down the first connection even though data are traveling on separate interfaces.... any idea?
[06:37] <roky> bazhang: I dont have any problems with anything, this is about my 4th time running ubuntu full time. I can't seem to locate it either. It's runs perfect in gaming and other apps with compiz running at max. no issues but in ff It's all fucked up I think it's actually ff not my gpu
[06:38] <bazhang> sandma2: I'm on nvidia so not really sure how to go about an ati install--perhaps others can help (if anyone is awake)
[06:38] <IcemanV9> sandma2: type fglrxinfo in the terminal
[06:38] <stdin> !language | roky
[06:38] <ubotu> roky: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[06:38] <bazhang> roky: ahem language; firefox then hmm that is odd
[06:39] <roky> bazhang,stdin,ubotu, sorry ;) I shall
[06:39] <carlos> alguem fa la portugues?
[06:39] <sandma2> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51534/
[06:39] <aganthorp> anyone have experience with fglrx problems?
[06:39] <bazhang> !pt
[06:39] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[06:39] <mynyml> is there a way to send the image to tv through s-video without having to restart X ?
[06:39] <CyberMad> what is the best tool to do auto backup of user documents?
[06:39] <bazhang> carlos: see above
[06:40] <Onyx> I just started gdm again, and my desktop background and icons did not show up.  How can I restore them and how can I make sure this doesn't happen again?
[06:40] <truna> jay2xra, curious how did you make your route table to split the transfer between the two? what was your command to do this?
[06:40] <bazhang> rsync CyberMad?
[06:41] <jay2xra> well, i'm using rsync with ssh..
[06:41] <jay2xra> my default route is on the first card..
[06:41] <jay2xra> after connecting...
[06:41] <jay2xra> i changed the bind address of ssh to that of the second card..
[06:41] <phuzion> How do I open a new server tab in xchat?
[06:41] <bazhang> !info rsync
[06:41] <ubotu> rsync: fast remote file copy program (like rcp). In component main, is standard. Version 2.6.9-5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 256 kB, installed size 516 kB
[06:41] <jay2xra> so that my second rsync will pass through the second card..
[06:41] <roky> phuzion, irc>connect
[06:42] <phuzion> roky: what if I don't have the server in my list?
[06:42] <aganthorp> anybody able to help me troubleshoot an fglrx issue?
[06:42] <IcemanV9> sandma2: ah. mesa. type "glxinfo | grep direct" in the terminal. did it said yes or no?
[06:42] <roky> phuzion edit>preferences>
[06:43] <roky> phuzion: >networks
[06:43] <truna> jay2xra, am even surprise that works..rebinding sshd to a different nic and all
[06:43] <sandma2> Nope
[06:43] <roky> phuzion: then click add, and then add the IRC server you want
[06:43] <phuzion> roky, I know that I can add them in, but isn't there a way to open a new blank tab so I can just do /server whatever?
[06:43] <jay2xra> nope... not sshd...
[06:43] <jay2xra> ssh...
[06:43] <LetterRip> hi all, I have an SD card but I'm not sure how to mount it, once I insert the card doing lsusb gives - That is essentially what Stray et al are saying. It's hard to get good data, and this guy doesn't have it, or if he does, he certainly can't defend it.[/quote]
[06:43] <LetterRip> oops wrong paste
[06:44] <LetterRip> it gives  -   Bus 002 Device 003: ID 058f:6366 Alcor Micro Corp.
[06:44] <amitprakash> hi.. can someone help me compile tiny OS 1.1
[06:44] <SeveredCross> LetterRip: The volume manager should automatically mount it if the chipset your card reader is supported.
[06:44] <jay2xra> my two ssh connections are now originating on two different IPs
[06:44] <LetterRip> so where would i see it if it is automounted?
[06:44] <IcemanV9> sandma2: not good, then. it would be better to use open source ATI driver instead of fglrx
[06:44] <roky> phuzion: once you add it go to it in the server list and it will automatically open a new tab with the server window for you
[06:44] <SeveredCross> LetterRip: On the desktop.
[06:45] <LetterRip> hmm okay then why do i see it show up under lsusb?
[06:46] <phuzion> roky: I understand that, but there are certain situations where I need to connect to a network quickly without adding it to my list, is there anything like mIRC's /server -m argument?
[06:46] <SeveredCross> phuzion: ^T
[06:46] <roky> phuzion: I personally don't know maybe someone else here would.
[06:46] <sandma2> IcemanV9: How would i do that??
[06:46] <phuzion> SeveredCross: Control+T?
[06:47] <SeveredCross> Yeah.
[06:47] <phuzion> Doesn't work
[06:47] <SeveredCross> It'll open a new server tab for you.
[06:47] <aganthorp> ls
[06:47] <aganthorp> exit
[06:47] <SeveredCross> Works for me phuzion.
[06:47] <phuzion> What version you running?
[06:47] <SeveredCross> Other than that, there are no flags to pass to server.
[06:47] <SeveredCross> Uh, 2.8.5e (on Windows right nwo) but I know I've used it in Gutsy and in Hardy.
[06:47] <phuzion> Oh, wow
[06:48] <phuzion> I'm using some xchat-gnome 0.18 version
[06:48] <phuzion> what the hell
[06:48] <SeveredCross> Ah.
[06:48] <phuzion> I'm gonna update this real quick
[06:48] <SeveredCross> Remove xchat-gnome, install just plain' xchat.
[06:48] <phuzion> Alright
[06:48] <jay2xra> this is really strange.... on netstat i'm seeing two established connections on two interfaces....  these wireless interfaces are connected to two different APs....  both are transferring at 30 kbps, now if i cut down the first connection, the second connection goes up to 60, as if ubuntu is treating the two cards as connected to just one AP....
[06:48] <LetterRip> okay it automounted now
[06:48] <LetterRip> wierd
[06:49] <phuzion> That was easy
[06:49] <jerkface03> gcc comes with the standard ubuntu server installation, correct?
[06:50] <bazhang> jerkface03: you want to compile? install build-essential
[06:50] <jerkface03> does that include 4.1 or 4.2?
[06:51] <bazhang> !info build-essential
[06:51] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[06:51] <jerkface03> no i mean does that include gcc 4.1 or 4.2?
[06:51] <bazhang> !info gcc
[06:51] <ubotu> gcc: The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.1.2-9ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 4 kB, installed size 64 kB
[06:51] <jerkface03> k
[06:52] <IcemanV9> sandma2: well, uninstall fglrx, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, restart X ... and more info on troubleshooting --> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[06:53] <rencore_> how can i get my codecs back in firefox 3
[06:54] <Flannel> rencore_: You should ask in #firefox on irc.mozilla.org
[06:56] <rabi> Hi everybody. My menu editor doesn't start in gusty.
[06:56] <yaba> ?
[06:56] <mattholimeau> anyone know any good social channels on this here IRC thing?
[06:57] <rabi> I have a problem. My menueditor doesn't start in ubuntu gusty. can somebody help me?
[06:57] <scurry7> hello
[06:57] <bazhang> patience rabi
[06:58] <barurot69> why I couldn't browse my network share in samba?
[06:59] <TigranG> HI. How do I check for mouse inputs? There was a command, I forgot it
[07:00] <linux-ubuntu> hola
[07:00] <linux-ubuntu> espanol
[07:00] <Flannel> !es | linux-ubuntu
[07:00] <ubotu> linux-ubuntu: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[07:00] <scurry7> NoelJB: just reporting back (I figured it out).  here is the link to the doc that gave me the answer: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual I had to disable the modules nv and nvidia_new (aparently they overiding my manual installs from nvidia script).   Thanks for all help!
[07:01] <Kniggit> I've got a question about restricted drivers
[07:01] <Kniggit> I tried to install the restricted drivers for my nVidia geforce 4
[07:01] <tarelerul2> I am running a 32 bit Ubuntu and I was wondering could I use 64 bit kernel on it ?  can that be done
[07:02] <scurry7> hello Kniggit: what was the outcome?
[07:02] <Kniggit> and I got the message that "The software source for the package 'nvidia-glx' is not enabled.  sorry for the drawn out question
[07:02] <Kniggit> whereas 2 hours ago I had xubuntu on this same system with no issue in this regard
[07:02] <malnilion> Kniggit, that means you need to enable the Universe repository in Synaptic I think
[07:03] <TigranG> How do I check for mouse inputs? There was a command, I forgot it
[07:03] <Kniggit> malnilion: I appreciate the advice
[07:03] <scurry7> Kniggit: check this out: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[07:04] <scurry7> Kniggit: sorry this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:05] <CyberMad> what is the best tool to do auto backup of user documents?
[07:06] <Flannel> !backup
[07:06] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[07:06] <malnilion> ubotu has so many scripted responses...it's wonderful :)
[07:07] <kirk> !smoke weed
[07:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smoke weed - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:07] <malnilion> And humble as it just responded: "Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)"
[07:07] <Kniggit> you guys rock!  thanks, it appears to have worked.
[07:07] <genii> And polite
[07:07] <genii> !hello
[07:07] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[07:07] <malnilion> Kniggit, you're welcome :)
[07:08] <Kniggit> for some reason all my software sources were disabled
[07:08] <malnilion> That's never good, lol
[07:08] <Verithrax> What's AMD64 support like nowadays?
[07:08] <Verithrax> Is Flash still an issue?
[07:08] <TigranG> Mouse, check, please? lol
[07:09] <Verithrax> The threads I can find easily on the forums are about a year old, so I don't know if things have improved.
[07:09] <TigranG> There was a program that checked key and mouse inputs and told you how its mapped. Know what I'm talking about?
[07:09] <wsguede> hello
[07:10] <Flannel> Verithrax: things have inproved.  However, flash (for everyone) is broken right now.
[07:10] <vontux> how can I reinstall the grub?
[07:10] <Flannel> !grub | vontux
[07:10] <ubotu> vontux: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:10] <Flannel> vontux: first link
[07:10] <wsguede> does anyone know if you can upgrade from xubuntu to normal ubuntu after the install of xubuntu
[07:10] <Verithrax> Flash is broken?
[07:10] <amitprakash> hi.. can someone help me compile tiny OS 1.1
[07:10] <malnilion> wsguede, yes
[07:10] <Verithrax> On the production version of the distro? Since when?
[07:10] <CajunTechie> Hello everyone. How can I make an external USB hard disk rw instead of ro? I've tried the mount -o user,rw,exec,umask=000 /mnt/sda5 and it doesnt' unlock it.
[07:10] <wsguede> malnilion: thanks
[07:10] <charlz> hello all.. how can i enable disable an NIC? i have 2 NIC.
[07:11] <ixian_> flash works fine for me
[07:11] <malnilion> wsguede, just install the xubuntu-desktop package
[07:11] <charlz> using command line
[07:11] <amitprakash> charlz, ifconfig nickname up to enable ifconfig nickname down to disable
[07:11] <Flannel> Verithrax: Adobe changed the file.  Flash (when installed) downloads the tar file from adobe's site.
[07:11] <Kniggit> charlz: I would either physically remove it (in the case of a PCI card) or disable it in BIOS.
[07:11] <malnilion> wsguede, or the regular ubuntu desktop rather, lol
[07:11] <wsguede> malnilion: I have a pent 4 (2.7 ghz) 256 mb computer
[07:11] <Verithrax> Flannel: What a brilliant idea, that.
[07:11] <wsguede> malnilion: so the install of ubuntu is rather slow
[07:11] <charlz> ok ill try thanx..
[07:12] <wsguede> malnilion: what does ubuntu normally use.. mem wise
[07:12] <Flannel> Verithrax: Blame Adobe.  (Or, look at it as one more benefit of OSS, not having to wait for things to be fixed)
[07:12] <wsguede> malnilion: or do you think I should just stick with xubuntu
[07:13] <Verithrax> Flannel: Yep. I suppose copyright issues keep the real repos from mirroring the Flash stuff.
[07:13] <malnilion> wsguede, I wish I could tell you how much memory it uses, but your computer *should* run ubuntu alright
[07:13] <charlz> yeah it works.. thnx ppl
[07:13] <Verithrax> But was Flash working for 64-bit users before Adobe decided to be cute?
[07:14] <wsguede> malnilion: maybe I will stick with xubuntu for a little while, and then try ubuntu later if need be
[07:14] <Flynsarmy> Is there a bug with ubuntu where opening large text files causes 100% CPU and never finishes loading?
[07:14] <malnilion> wsguede, you're not missing out on too horribly much by sticking with xubuntu in my opinion
[07:14] <Flynsarmy> I have a 2.9meg mysqldump file that i tried to open in both 'text editor' and open office writer and it's just been sitting on 100% cpu usage for the past 5 mins or so (still not open)
[07:15] <wsguede> malnilion: good to know
[07:15] <charlz> hello again how to manually configure network cards in the command line
[07:15] <malnilion> wsguede, I mean xfce is like stripped down gnome that runs quicker and uses less resources, but might not have all the flashy features that gnome does
[07:16] <malnilion> charlz, that would depend on what exactly you want to do
[07:17] <wsguede> malnilion: that's fine with me I guess... I am new to linux all together... so I won't be missing anything at all in the beginning... and I am putting this on the shittiest computer I have... so if I like it enough... maybe I will have it on the best one in no time
[07:17] <malnilion> wsguede, hope you like it :)
[07:17] <charlz> malnilion << i want to manually set a dynamic or static ip.
[07:17] <bazhang> language wsguede
[07:17] <wsguede> malnilion: you and me both buddy, I have spent so many cds to get this thing to work its not funny
[07:17] <wsguede> bazhang: english
[07:18] <wsguede> ?
[07:18] <wsguede> oh
[07:18] <wsguede> I get what ur saying
[07:18] <wsguede> haha
[07:18] <bazhang> yah
[07:18] <wsguede> sorry about the poopy word
[07:19] <malnilion> charlz, read "man ifconfig"
[07:19] <malnilion> That might have what you need
[07:19] <tarelerul2>  I installed 32  ubuntu and dual core  ,but  when I put kernel x86_64  I come up with this This package contains the Linux kernel image for version 2.6.22 on
[07:19] <charlz> malnilion: ok thanx.
[07:19] <tarelerul2> x86/x86_64 ? dose the mean I have that kernel on here some where
[07:19] <kirk> charlz dyndns
[07:19] <kirk> or read dns and bind the book
[07:20] <charlz> ok thanx all for the help..
[07:21] <malnilion> kirk, that seems like a bit of a read just to get dynamic or static ip address working :P
[07:22] <charlz> its ok malnilion, i'll just try to read it, even if it too long.. :)
[07:22] <wsguede> would you say that xubuntu is the best unbuntu version to run on a slow/older computer?
[07:22] <malnilion> Well...best "official" ubuntu version
[07:22] <neantror> slackware
[07:22] <malnilion> There's also fluxbuntu
[07:22] <kirk> dsl
[07:23] <wsguede> what's good about that version?
[07:23] <wsguede> vs x
[07:23] <mosno> damnit, hard deps suck
[07:23] <mosno> you'd think i'd be able to remove cups without much grief
[07:23] <bazhang> slackware is official ubuntu? :}
[07:24] <Beelze> wsguede, xubuntu is very small and clean but has a gnome touch
[07:24] <kirk> absolutely not
[07:24] <kirk> gentoo is however debian
[07:24] <neantror> yes
[07:24] <Beelze> i like the gnome touch....very easy to configure
[07:24] <malnilion> It uses fluxbox which is even lighter on resources...I'm not sure you'd want to jump straight into fluxbox, but you might take it for a test drive in your xubuntu install
[07:25] <wsguede> hmm
[07:25] <root__> hey all, how do i make a windows mount writeable?
[07:25] <root__> whats the params i need in my fstab?
[07:25] <Beelze> say something about your hardware wsguede
[07:25] <charlz> hello all.. is there any best guide out there to setup an ip routing?
[07:25] <wsguede> beelze what do you mean?
[07:25] <Beelze> your prozessor and your ram
[07:26] <wsguede> Beelze: as in my 2.7 ghz pent 4, 256 mb mem
[07:26] <malnilion> p4 256mb
[07:26] <wsguede> yeah
[07:26] <wsguede> that
[07:26] <ta1> I just installed 2gb additional ram on my machine bringing it up to 4gb... on the main page hardware shows only 3.2gb of memory.. what gives?
[07:26] <Beelze> i would use xubuntu on that...
[07:26] <wsguede> do you have the 64 bit version?
[07:26] <wsguede> that's what I thought
[07:26] <robc4> what does the terminal command free say
[07:26] <ixian_> ta1: 32-bit operating system can't use the full 4 gigs
[07:26] <Beelze> but thats not really a slow computer :-)
[07:27] <wsguede> not really slow... but the mem is killing me!
[07:27] <ta1> how can I tell if I am running 32bit version?  I thought I installed the 64bit but I may be mistaken
[07:27] <grep100> 32bit normal kernels can not use all of the 4 gig memory space, but a special version of the kernel called the PAE version can use up to 64 gigs of mem in a 32 bit kernel
[07:27] <wsguede> its my dads old computer... and I begged him for it so that I can try linux out with out having to use dual boot (i tend to always boot into windows then)
[07:28] <Beelze> full xubuntu desktop uses about 60 mb ram with irc/aim
[07:28] <reenignEesreveR> can't i beg adduser command not to ask me Full Name, Room Number etc?
[07:28] <ta1> how do I check for 64bit version?  it seems like I have tried to install several x86 versions and it always made me get the 64bit
[07:28] <malnilion> reenignEesreveR, you can just hit enter through that stuff and give them blank values
[07:28] <wsguede> ok so for some reason xubuntu live does NOT work
[07:29] <grep100> uname -r
[07:29] <wsguede> I have burned like 4 cds
[07:29] <wsguede> 6.06 7.04 7.10
[07:29] <wsguede> and another 7.1
[07:29] <malnilion> wsguede, what doesn't work on it?
[07:30] <Beelze> don´t use 52x write speed if you have that
[07:30] <Beelze> use a slower mode
[07:30] <wsguede> after it goes to the screen that asked me to
[07:30] <wsguede> install/try
[07:30] <wsguede> intstall oem (manufactures)
[07:30] <wsguede> check cd
[07:30] <wsguede> ...
[07:30] <wsguede> I choose install and it goes blank
[07:30] <FloodBot1> wsguede: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:31] <ta1> 2.6.22-14-generic so I assume that is 32bit?
[07:31] <wsguede> I choose install and it goes blank
[07:31] <Onyx> Is there a way I can change the KDE icon theme from within Gnome?
[07:31] <Beelze> wsguede, try to use the acpi=off switch @starup
[07:31] <ixian_> ta1: try uname -a
[07:31] <wsguede> >?
[07:31] <malnilion> Onyx, run kcontrol would be what I'd do
[07:31] <grep100> I would think, yes, 64 bit versions tend to attach 64 to the end of the kernel name, and PAE versions do the same for PAE
[07:31] <oldude67> has anyone used the test kernel 2.6.24-rc7 yet?
[07:32] <ta1> 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Dec 18 05:28:27 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:32] <Beelze> you can edit the bootup line...after the word splash use acpi=off....maybe it works
[07:32] <Beelze> ok...my laptop goes blank and than i rebootet without that switch
[07:33] <charlz> does anyone knows where can i find a guide for routing??
[07:33] <Flannel> ta1, grep100: -generic is either 32 or 64 bit.  The kernel name itself won't indicate
[07:33] <grep100> uname -r <IP_ADDRESS>-85.fc8PAE
[07:33] <malnilion> Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think charlz will be wanting to get his hands dirty with iptables
[07:34] <Flannel> wsguede: that's the alternate CD, not the live CD (I believe, unless xubuntu has combined them)
[07:34] <ixian_> x86_64?
[07:34] <oldude67> Linux chris 2.6.24-rc7-smp
[07:34] <QDawg> does anyone have the mail plugin for jpilot?
[07:34] <oldude67> but that is in my virtual slack distro
[07:34] <firebird619> Could someone help me? I just installed Conky using a guide I found on the Internet. It included a .conkyrc file to use, which I did, and now conky covers the top gnome panel and it is also on top of all other windows. How can I fix this?
[07:35] <reenignEesreveR> malnilion: I am trying to use adduser to create around 100's of users. I just want to run a file which will create all the users. dun wanna hit 4 enters for every user :(
[07:35] <malnilion> charlz, actually ignore that, you probably don't want iptables, I'm not sure about routing guides though
[07:35] <ta1> So any other ideas?
[07:35] <malnilion> reenignEesreveR, ah, I see
[07:35] <wsguede> no I mean when I enter the screen that says install/try ... start in low grafix ... check cd... I hit install and it goes blank... I am using the live cd
[07:35] <charlz> manilion << where can i find a good guide for iptables?
[07:36] <root__> bye
[07:36] <wsguede> and I wrote the cd at 24x
[07:36] <Flannel> reenignEesreveR: use useradd
[07:36] <tuntun> Hi. Does the firefox 'find' function allow wildcards and/or multiple disperate searches?
[07:36] <charlz> wsguede << when you want to burn distros, just select a speed of 8x only to be safe always.
[07:37] <wsguede> I don't have that choice... it gives me 24x and max...
[07:37] <wsguede> which I believe is 24x
[07:37] <Flannel> wsguede: When you check the CD, does it verify properly?
[07:37] <malnilion> charlz, I really don't know anything about complex networking in linux, I'm afraid
[07:37] <Creed> Question, does the graphical subsystem run on tty1?
[07:37] <wsguede> yep... all is well
[07:37] <Flannel> Creed: 7
[07:37] <robc4> tty7
[07:37] <charlz> wsgued << what type of cdr did you use?
[07:37] <wsguede> -
[07:37] <Creed> Flannel, why is 1 not recomended for general use?
[07:37] <wsguede> sony
[07:38] <Flannel> Creed: Where did you see that 1 wasn't recommended for general use?
[07:38] <Creed> Flannel / robc4 doing a assignment and cant figure it out...
[07:38] <Creed> Flannel, in all the labs we use tty2
[07:38] <robc4> creed, have you hit alt f1 and see if there was something running on tty1?
[07:39] <Creed> robc4, startup info is on tty1 for me.
[07:39] <Flannel> wsguede: If the CD verifies, then its a good CD.  And burning isn't your issue
[07:39] <narg> Does anyone here have gnome-hearts installed? Fresh off the repos, I run it and an assertion segfaults it.
[07:39] <robc4> yea, tty1 is normally what you use for a console
[07:39] <Creed> Old teletype machines couldn't operate as teh first console, so Linux honors the same restriction.
[07:39] <wsguede> flannel: then what shall I do?
[07:39] <robc4> there are 6 stty sessions that load for a standard linux system
[07:39] <Creed> That is the answer that makes most sense to me.
[07:39] <wsguede> I want to get linux up an running like his year
[07:40] <wsguede> this*
[07:40] <Flannel> wsguede: Just do a regular install, not via the liveCD
[07:40] <robc4> so when you load an X system (gnome, kde, etc etc) it uses tty7
[07:40] <wsguede> so the alternate cd?
[07:40] <Flannel> wsguede: yeah.
[07:41] <malnilion> You've tried installing in safe graphics mode?
[07:41] <Creed> robc4 / Flannel http://pastebin.ca/850538 This is the question...none of the answers make sense to me.
[07:41] <wsguede> Flannel: I tried the alternate cd for 7.10 and it installs all the way then it freezes at "gathering install information" or sumthing like that
[07:41] <oldude67> is anyone running a test kernel?
[07:41] <robc4> all of those are wrong minus the one about terminals
[07:42] <wsguede> malnilion: yeah and it crashed
[07:42] <Flannel> wsguede: *that* might be a burn issue.  did you verify that disk?
[07:42] <wsguede> yes
[07:42] <robc4> at least as far as my experiences have gone
[07:42] <wsguede> Flannel: ok but hold on
[07:42] <spee> you + your mom
[07:42] <Creed> robc4, lol so none of those is the correct answer?
[07:42] <robc4> 3 is
[07:42] <charlz> is anyone here knows how to run a visual foxpro program using wine?
[07:42] <robc4> 1 is wrong
[07:42] <robc4> 2 is wrong, it uses tty7
[07:43] <robc4> 4 is def. wrong
[07:43] <wsguede> Flannel: I hard booted it hoping that it would be ok... since it already made me take out the cd... the first time I had problems... then this last time it boots... but then after it "tries?" to boot into xubuntu, the screen goes blank
[07:43] <earlmred> mmm, got all 3 monitors and both video cards working finally :)
[07:43] <robc4> charlz, there is a problem running .net applications on wine, go check out winehq for more info
[07:43] <earlmred> sweet setup, no? http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000636ey7.jpg
[07:43] <Creed> robc4, thats what I thought.
[07:43] <charlz> robc4 << ok thanx..
[07:44] <Flannel> wsguede: Screen going blank is probably a display issue.    This is booting off the harddrive?
[07:45] <robc4> yea
[07:45] <wsguede> yeah
[07:45] <wsguede> Flannel: I tried reinstalling it after it wouldn't show up
[07:45] <vwfanatic> Is there any programs for *Nix that are comparable to Quicken or Ms Money, in that they will update online?
[07:45] <wsguede> Flannel: but talking to you know I booted off the hdd
[07:46] <robc4> creed, I got that alot back at college when my CIS instructors would use obsolete software
[07:47] <Flannel> wsguede: If you booted off the harddrive into the recovery console, you're already installed.
[07:47] <wsguede> Flannel: I know
[07:47] <wsguede> Flannel: BUT if I don't boot into recovery, the screen goes blank
[07:48] <robc4> what video card do you have
[07:48] <wsguede> me?
[07:49] <wsguede> robc4: POS mother board one
[07:49] <robc4> wsguede, what mobo is it
[07:49] <robc4> it might be a video problem(?)
[07:49] <wsguede> I have no clue what a mobo is
[07:49] <robc4> motherboard
[07:50] <wsguede> oh
[07:50] <wsguede> haha
[07:50] <wsguede> old one?
[07:50] <wsguede> haha
[07:50] <Flannel> wsguede: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and then after that, init 2
[07:50] <wsguede> Flannel: where? in the cmd of the recovery mode?
[07:50] <Flannel> wsguede: yes
[07:51] <Flannel> wsguede: Basically what's happening is your GUI isn't displaying properly (so its just black)
[07:51] <linux_user400354> how can i get these codecs without buying? http://chris1.hopto.org/~chris/Screenshot-Codec%20Installer.png
[07:51] <earlmred> hmm
[07:51] <earlmred> is there support for amd's cool and quiet?
[07:51] <wsguede> Flannel: yeS
[07:51] <spee> http://www.jaenicke.org/suicide.html
[07:51] <linux_user400354> hey roky, you in san antonio too?
[07:52] <roky> linux, and how might you know this?
[07:52] <Flannel> !offtopic | spee
[07:52] <ubotu> spee: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[07:53] <zetheroo> has anyone successfully used the effects in KDE4 with the fglrx drivers?
[07:53] <robc4> linux, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[07:53] <robc4> roky, you can see people's ip's as they join
[07:54] <roky> I haver a question for some, I have my graphics drivers installed correctly ( as what it seems ) , runs seemlessly with compiz and all but as soon as I launch a game, My system lags incredibly bad. I never had this problem before and I dont know what it is any recomandations?
[07:55] <roky> robc4, I know this, but to  know where I'm from is a little differant xD
[07:55]  * barurot69 ssssssshhhhhhhhhh
[07:55] <robc4> roky, yea, it said stx.res.rr.com, so I guess he knows his also has that suffix :)
[07:55]  * barurot69 ssssssshhhhhhhhhh
[07:55]  * barurot69 ssssssshhhhhhhhhh
[07:56]  * barurot69 ssssssshhhhhhhhhh
[07:56] <davef_> Anyone know if its possible to open a GUI window on a local computer (i.e. firefox), and then go to a remote computer and SSH (with X11-forwarding) back to the local computer, and view the firefox window that is already open?
[07:57] <bazhang> barurot69: please stop
[07:58] <roky> I haver a question for some, I have my graphics drivers installed correctly ( as what it seems ) , runs seemlessly with compiz and all but as soon as I launch a game, My system lags incredibly bad. I never had this problem before and I dont know what it is any recomandations?
[07:59] <stdin> daedrik: no it's not, you'll need VNC for that
[08:01] <DrMitch> I installed ubuntu, and then installed xfce. Now nm-applet still loaded while i'm in xfce. How do i stop nm-applet from loading?
[08:01] <marshall__> how do i install flash player?
[08:01] <msdtux> help me please... is there any easiest method for installing moinmoin, I using feisty
[08:01] <earlmred> anybody know why reiserfs on ubuntu always replays the journal on every boot?
[08:01] <Flynsarmy> marshall__ It's currently broken. See the link in the channel title
[08:01] <wsguede> Flannel: yeah no that didn't work
[08:02] <crdlb> DrMitch: run xfce4-autostart-editor
[08:02] <DrMitch> thanks
[08:02] <wsguede> it brought me through so many screens and stuff... half of them were for the mouse and keyboard... flannel
[08:02] <msdtux> I´m following this old thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=206853 but when I would like to try moin, it shows nothing (blank)
[08:03] <robc4> msdtux, moin wiki is part of the ubuntu server guide now
[08:03] <robc4> and the instructions work perfectly
[08:03] <robc4> I just installed mine last night
[08:03] <wsguede> Flannel: no wait, it did work, but I had to hit ctrl alt f1 for it to do it
[08:04] <marshall__> i did /msg obotu flash and nothing happened
[08:04] <stdin> marshall__: ubotu not obotu
[08:04] <msdtux> robc4, which version of ubuntu do you use... I´m using feisty server...
[08:04] <marshall__> stdin: lol -_-"
[08:04] <robc4> msdfux, I did it on both dapper and edgy
[08:05] <robc4> msdtux, both server versions
[08:05] <msdtux> I wonder, what am I doing wrong ?
[08:05] <robc4> msdtux, anyways, what are you doing using feisty server? one bad upgrade and woops :)
[08:06] <robc4> msdtux, the dependancies might not be complete yet
[08:06] <robc4> msdtux, I am also betting you dont have a database setup right
[08:06] <robc4> wait, sorry
[08:06] <msdtux> Do I have to set the database first ?
[08:06] <robc4> hardy is 8.04
[08:06] <robc4> feisty is 7.04
[08:06] <robc4> woops
[08:07] <robc4> msd, yea, you do
[08:07] <sven_> well done :) after upgrading from 7.04 to 7.10 i have no boot stop anymore :D (before switching to newer i had 20 seconds boot stops at boot splash screen after nearly 30%)
[08:07] <robc4> msdtux, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/moinmoin.html
[08:08] <msdtux> rob, I have install feisty server, and install LAMP also... do I have to setup database ?
[08:08] <robc4> msdtux, you might
[08:08] <robc4> msdtux, I know media wiki will do that as part of the setup IIRC
[08:08] <robc4> do you have your heart set on media wiki?
[08:09] <msdtux> robc4, sorry I don´t understand...
[08:10] <robc4> msdtux, sorry, I meant do you have your heart on using moin for a wiki?
[08:12] <msdtux> sorry for my bad english... I don´t understant what you mean with ¨have your heart¨...
[08:13] <sven_> msdtux use a dictionary :)
[08:13] <wsguede> msdtux: that means like... are you open to use something else
[08:13] <robc4> msdtux, I mean is there any reason why you want to use moin was your wiki software? Because installing mediawiki as your wiki software is much easier in my opinion
[08:13] <ajitam> hi how can I put output from cmd uptime in a var in shell
[08:13] <roky> can anyone help me figure out some graphical lag issues im having while running any game in ubuntu? gutsy....nvidia 7950 gt
[08:13] <msdtux> Oh i see
[08:13] <robc4> msdtux, especially when you follow the instructions that are on the ubuntu server guide
[08:13] <ajitam> for example x = uptime (but this doesn work)
[08:13] <earlmred> ajitam: x = `uptime`
[08:14] <wsguede> haha
[08:14] <robc4> msdtux, sorry, I forgot this is international
[08:14] <j2daosh> hey
[08:15] <msdtux> mediawiki is easier, yes... but looks like moin is more simpler (not in installation)...
[08:15] <j2daosh> how do i make my windows mount writeable?
[08:15] <ajitam> earlmred: this puts string 'uptime' in var
[08:15] <Ironman1> hey yall, can one of yall send me a repository list with a lot of extra sources added
[08:15] <zenobius> hiya someone remind me the syntax for appneding text to an enviroment variable? is it : echo /usr/local/arm-elf/bin >> $PATH
[08:15] <earlmred> ajitam: what shell are you using
[08:15] <j2daosh> i cant seem to get changes to windows files written in VIM
[08:15] <msdtux> Well maybe I should install it from clean system...
[08:15] <Roscar> hey. I have ubuntu installed right now and I'm going to create a partition and install windows on it. I know that windows will destroy my boot record and I'll have to rebuild it to boot ubuntu, I'm just wondering how to do that.
[08:15] <zetheroo> can I use Sound Recorder to record streaming audio?
[08:16] <earlmred> ajitam: if i type x=`uptime` into a bash prompt, and then echo $x, i get the results of uptime.
[08:16] <zenobius> zetheroo: try streamripper
[08:16] <earlmred> ajitam: so if you're writing a bash script, that's what you'll get.
[08:16] <Ironman1> anyone have a repository list with a lot of added sources ?
[08:16] <zetheroo> zenobius: is that in the repos?
[08:16] <zenobius> zetheroo: yup
[08:16] <zenobius> zetheroo: might be universe so make sure you have those in
[08:16] <ouellettesr> hello, im trying to copy a directory using "cp source destination" then it says cp: omitting directory.
[08:17] <zetheroo> zenobius: is it easy to use?
[08:17] <ouellettesr> any idea what im doing wrong?
[08:17] <mavi-> ouellettesr: cp -r for directories
[08:17] <mavi-> -r = recursive
[08:17] <ouellettesr> thanks
[08:17] <ouellettesr> ahh
[08:17] <zenobius> zetheroo: its a cli, i use it to ripp shoutcast into a folder of indivdual files, auto named by their id3 tags that get stream alongside music...
[08:17] <ouellettesr> that works
[08:17] <msdtux> robc, from the link you gave me, it is the same with forum I´ve referred... they doesn´t mention that we have to set any database first.
[08:18] <verb3k> zetheroo, you can also use mplayer, google it
[08:18] <zenobius> zetheroo: basically  : streamripper htpp://radio.internode.on.net:8037 -r
[08:18] <zetheroo> zenobius: command line?
[08:18] <zetheroo> zenobius: oh
[08:18] <kirk> http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=1712&file=filename.pls
[08:18] <zenobius> zetheroo: yep, mplayer wont name the files and wont split them fo you
[08:18] <kirk> philsomatika is so rediculously awesome
[08:18] <robc4> msdtux, yea, I was mistaken, thats part of the mediawiki setup
[08:18] <Ironman1> are you trying to rip streams?
[08:19] <kirk> i listen to it while i fly around in my spaceship
[08:19] <kirk> when im at the helm.
[08:19] <msdtux> Ok, then... I´ll try it later again with clean install...
[08:19] <zenobius> someone remind me the syntax for appneding text to an enviroment variable? is it : echo /usr/local/arm-elf/bin >> $PATH
[08:19] <msdtux> thanks for helping me...
[08:19] <Ironman1> use apt-get thing to get a program called streamtuner
[08:19] <roky> can anyone help me figure out some graphical lag issues im having while running any game in ubuntu? gutsy....nvidia 7950 gt
[08:20] <kirk> zenobius: do like, $a= $astring
[08:20] <zenobius> streamtuner is good, but wont let you create restream server like you can with e '-r' param
[08:20] <kirk> zenobius: do like, $a= "$a"string
[08:20] <zenobius> kirk: cheers mon
[08:20] <kirk> see what i mean
[08:20] <kirk> ?
[08:20] <verb3k> zenobius, can streamripper rip all kinds of streams?
[08:20]  * kirk ticks one onto his unixhelper ticker.
[08:20] <kirk> like 40'000 to go and ill be an op
[08:20] <ajitam> earlmred: hmm I type this i ubuntu and I get string uptime
[08:20] <roky> can anyone help me figure out some graphical lag issues im having while running any game in ubuntu? gutsy....nvidia 7950 gt, My graphics driver's are installed and thats whats confusing me.
[08:20] <earlmred> ajitam: what shell are you using.
[08:21] <kirk> the ones that come with ubuntu roky?
[08:21] <kirk> the "proprietary ones"
[08:21] <oldude67> ok how do i reset the sound in ubuntu it doesnt have alsaconf
[08:21] <ajitam> earlmred: I'm connected to ubuntu via ssh on my mac (you mean this ? sorry I'm new at this)
[08:21] <roky> kirk, yeah, It installed under synaptic, everything works great with compiz and the works, but as soon as I get in game I lag like hell, and I never did before
[08:22] <robc4> sorry msdtux
[08:22] <earlmred> ajitam: type bash
[08:22] <zenobius> verb3k: noit sure, but i wouldnt bet it could rip realplayer streams. nothing but locked down virtuous virgins can touch those, and only if you been through big bro DNA check...(jokes)
[08:22] <zetheroo> zenobius:  is there no simple gui styled app for this?
[08:22] <zenobius> zetheroo: streamtuner
[08:22] <zetheroo> zenobius: ok
[08:23] <verb3k> zenobius, I remember I ripped a realstream with mplayer in the past
[08:24] <zenobius> verb3k: i could care about this much for real player and its variants ....nil
[08:24] <verb3k> roky, You can disable compiz if you want
[08:24] <bullgard4> uptime reports "5 user" although I have been the only user on my computer. Who are the other 4? Gnome terminals, or what?
[08:24] <verb3k> zenobius, :)
[08:24] <zenobius> kirk, doesnt work
[08:25] <verb3k> bullgard4, use the command "w" to know them
[08:25] <roky> verb3k, its not compiz, I've never had this issue before, I ran all the games with no issues but now when i enter in game, I can hardly move around the menu's
[08:25] <zenobius> $PATH=$PATH";/usr/local/arm-elf/bin"
[08:26] <verb3k> roky, you can use a tty with a "top" command to see what's making the CPU 100%
[08:26] <verb3k> roky, while you're in the game I mean
[08:26] <AdemoS> Ubuntu 7.10 64 Bit So, I installed LMMS 64 it from Synaptic, and after checking Synpatic again, it was installed normally......The issue, I can't FIND it. unlike everything else I installed, it didn't show up in my Main Menus, not in the Sound/Video section, not anywhere...any ideas?
[08:26] <bullgard4> verb3k: w shows 5 times a user named 'detlef'
[08:26] <_moro_bana_> how do i join the python channel, it says i need to be identofied to join
[08:26] <ObeyRoy> What command can I use to make the terminal show me what ethernet card I'm using?
[08:26] <verb3k> bullgard4, is that you?
[08:26] <ajitam> earlmred: on my mac I et bash-3.2$
[08:26] <bullgard4> verb3k: yes
[08:27] <verb3k> bullgard4, I think it's about the terminals you open
[08:27] <zenobius> ObeyRoy: ifconfig will show you settings, but you can use all availble cards at same time. not sure such a command exist except for examining output of something simple like htop and noticing which device traffic is leavin/coming on
[08:27] <verb3k> bullgard4, the GUI is considered 1 and the terminal is 2
[08:27] <dgjones> bullgard4, one user will be your gnome, one will be the terminal you're running the commands in, do you have other terminals open as well
[08:27] <zetheroo> zenobius: I get this error when I try to listen to a stream: Failed to execute child process "xmms" (no such file or directory).
[08:28] <zenobius> zetheroo: what command a re you running to recieve such an error?
[08:28] <Viking667> good evening all,. ..... wow. What a lot of nicks!!!
[08:28] <zetheroo> zenobius: no command... I am using streamtuner
[08:29] <verb3k> zenobius, he may be pasting the link without quotation ""
[08:29] <zenobius> there is a page on the forums and wiki that helps you set up preferences to enable proper usage of desired mediaplayer from stream tuner
[08:29] <zetheroo> zenobius: do I need xmms
[08:29] <zetheroo> ?
[08:29] <roky> verb3k, sorry was afk for a sec, but the cpu isnt topping
[08:29] <AdemoS> Ubuntu 7.10 64 Bit So, I installed LMMS 64 bit from Synaptic, and after checking Synpatic again, it was installed normally......The issue, I can't FIND it. unlike everything else I installed, it didn't show up in my Main Menus, not in the Sound/Video section, not anywhere...any ideas?
[08:29] <roky> I just looked
[08:29] <j2daosh> anyone here know how to make a network samba share writable? i tried setting my fstab to umask=0000 and umask=0002 but still nothing
[08:29] <roky> verb3k I just lag, and I cant seem to figure out why
[08:29] <verb3k> zetheroo, use quotes around the link ""
[08:29] <zenobius> zetheroo: you will need to setup the command that streamtuner uses for your paticular player so it passes the song path on properly. is why i ust use the terminal and point "listen media player " there
[08:29] <Viking667> I'm trying to do remote X logins to a Gutsy machine, it only sometimes works. If I use Metacity, it's all fine, but if I try using compiz or xfce4, the remote login just crashes back to the remote chooser.
[08:30] <ObeyRoy> zenobius: I'm just trying to figure out my card model, I need to find a driver for it for windows.
[08:30] <bullgard4> dgjones: I have open 4 terminals. w shows 5 times the USER 'detlef'. w shows the TTYs 'tty10', pts/0, pts/1, pts/2, pts/3.
[08:30] <kirk> make the samba have write privileges
[08:30] <verb3k> roky, I hope I can help
[08:30] <oldude67> how do you restart the sound ?
[08:30] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: can you start it from the terminal?
[08:30] <Viking667> frankly I'm not sure what to investigate first.
[08:30] <oldude67> for some reason it stopped working
[08:30] <dgjones> bullgard4, that'd be right then, one user per terminal plus your gdm would make 5
[08:30] <roky> verb3k me too, because I have no clue as to why Im lagging
[08:30] <zenobius> ObeyRoy: sudo lspci will list your devices, sudo ifconfig will list your netowrk card config, and dmesg will help you identify system events when they heppen
[08:30] <j2daosh> kirk, and how do i do that?
[08:30] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, I'm not sure how I would
[08:30] <verb3k> roky, all games?
[08:30] <j2daosh> on the windows box, the share is writable to everyone
[08:31] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: open a terminal and type "lmms" no quotes
[08:31] <zenobius> ObeyRoy: help.ubuntu.com/community
[08:31] <zenobius> ObeyRoy: start there
[08:31] <IndyGunFreak> if it starts, then all yuo have to do is manually add it to th emenu
[08:31] <zetheroo> zenobius: well I installed xmms and its automatically opening the player to play... but nothing happens
[08:31] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, ah alright
[08:31] <roky> verb3k yep any game I play
[08:31] <Viking667> zetheroo: is the file turning up in the playlist of xmms?
[08:32] <zenobius> zetheroo: have you check the preferneces of streamtuner? have you gone to ubuntu forums to investigate the proper usage of the parameters required to pass to xmms?
[08:32] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak,  well it gave me a couple input device issues, but it ran fine and presented me with a wizard
[08:32] <verb3k> roky, strange
[08:32] <zetheroo> Viking667: yes... I can see it listed in the xmms player... but nothing plays
[08:32] <roky> verb3k very, lol
[08:32] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: ok.., so test it out, see if its going to work, and if it does what you want, just create an entry for it in your menu system.
[08:33] <Viking667> zetheroo: hm. checked output plugins?
[08:33] <j2daosh> how do i do that kirk?
[08:33] <zetheroo> zenobius: it was setup with xmms when I installed it....
[08:33] <fl1p> When trying to install Ubuntu 7.10 on an Dell Dimension the Keyboard in grub is not found (USB, there is no PS2) When using the LiveCD the Video resolution cant be determined so what to do ?
[08:33] <verb3k> roky, try googling your card + ubuntu
[08:33] <ObeyRoy> zenobius:  Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8038 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 14) Does that sound like the name of an ethernet card?
[08:33] <Viking667> yuh
[08:33] <verb3k> roky, + gutsy + compiz :)
[08:33] <Josiah> does anybody know if I were to install Hardy Heron Alpha 3, would I be able to upgrade all releases from that or do I have to re-install with new image every time there is a new release?
[08:33] <roky> verb3k, I have already I have never had issues like that before
[08:33] <zetheroo> Viking667: this is the link I am using: http://www.triplem.com.au/media/livestream/2mmmlivestream.asx
[08:33] <Viking667> ObeyRoy: that's a network card all right.
[08:34] <IndyGunFreak> ObeyRoy: thats a pretty new ethernet card, thats probably your issue.. the kernel probably doesn't have the driver for it.
[08:34] <j2daosh> kirk
[08:34] <kirk> wha
[08:35] <j2daosh> how do i make my samba share "writeable"?
[08:35] <Viking667> zetheroo: well, mplayer certainly plays it.
[08:35] <Josiah> I ask because I am unable to install Fiesty because of the kernel version
[08:35] <kirk> where is your samba share mounted at?
[08:35] <Viking667> mplayer's using ffmpeg to play the stream with... if that's any help.
[08:35] <zenobius> zetheroo: goto http://streamripper.sourceforge.net/tutorialplugin.php
[08:35] <ObeyRoy> IndyGunFreak: Linux has a driver for it, it's windows I need the driver for
[08:35] <atlantide> the driver, which is adapted for Dell 3000cn for cups in Debian, is HP Color LaserJet 5500 Footmatic/pxlmono
[08:35] <j2daosh> /media/net_backup
[08:36] <IndyGunFreak> ObeyRoy: oh..lol
[08:36] <zenobius> zetheroo: winamp plugin
[08:36] <j2daosh> and it has a 777 chmod
[08:36] <ObeyRoy> Figures
[08:36] <Flannel> Josiah: yes, alpha software updates seemlessly.  Like day-to-day updates.  Have you tried Gutsy thoug?
[08:36] <kirk> whats its devnode
[08:36] <zenobius> zetheroo: try audacious instead of xmms, may find it bit more to your liking?
[08:36] <j2daosh> not sure, how do i find out
[08:36] <kirk> i mean
[08:36] <kirk> its in your computer
[08:36] <kirk> and your running a samba server from linux
[08:36] <zenobius> zetheroo: also higly recomend you get over fear of terminal and use streamripper directly
[08:36] <kirk> and you want it writable
[08:36] <j2daosh> yeah, but my ubuntu is running from a vmware box
[08:37] <zenobius> zetheroo: http://streamripper.sourceforge.net/tutorialconsole.php
[08:37] <j2daosh> so it doesn't see the disks locally
[08:37] <j2daosh> its "over the network"
[08:37] <kirk> yea
[08:37] <kirk> go into windows and make it writebale
[08:37] <kirk> like
[08:37] <IndyGunFreak> Josiah: i've not messed ot much with Alpha releases, other than w/ Gutsy, but Gutsy, as long as you keep the updates current, then you're *current*,
[08:37] <zenobius> zetheroo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonCustomizations
[08:37] <zenobius> verb3k: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonCustomizations
[08:37] <kirk> ricght click on it, share, look at it, click the bos that says let network users write to
[08:38] <kirk> click apply
[08:38] <Josiah> Flannel: I am worried that if I install Gusty when I update to Fiesty it is going to update to the kernel version that doesnt work with my hard drive
[08:38] <zenobius> most peoples questions here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonCustomizations
[08:38] <riaal> What package give widescreeen screen resolutions? (fogot the name) running it on my macbook
[08:38] <kirk> windows sucks my ball vinegar
[08:38] <Josiah> kirk: agreed
[08:38] <kirk> xranr?
[08:38] <riaal> hm?
[08:38] <zenobius> Josiah & kirk, but it apeals to the 'mob mentailty'
[08:39] <besit> I'm having a problem accessing the shares on my ubuntu box from windows 2000. The computer icon appears and seems to come up with the dialog but the username and password doesn't work. It just refeshes. I think I may be getting the input format wrong. Can anyone help me?
[08:39] <kirk> if i could just make counerstrike source work in linux i'd never boot to windows again
[08:39] <zenobius> Josiah & kirk robspiere found out that the mob is a powerful force unstoppable by guillotines
[08:39] <Josiah> kirk: why cant you get source to work?
[08:39] <bullgard4> Where would I feel the most improvement if I replace my 512 MB RAM with 2 GB on an 1.8 GHz Intel Pentium M processor? (No 3D applications planned)
[08:39] <sven_> kirk it works hehe :)
[08:39] <kirk> never tried.
[08:39] <kirk> whats standard way to install it?
[08:39] <Josiah> zenobius: the mob will die and another will arise
[08:40] <Josiah> wine :)
[08:40] <Josiah> steam works with wine as well
[08:40] <Peddy> can anyone please help me install Timevault in 64 bit Gutsy?
[08:40] <kirk> oh sweet
[08:40] <sven_> wine =  Wine Is Not an Emulator   xD
[08:40] <kirk> directx?
[08:40] <sven_> kirk it translates directX commands to openGL :)
[08:40] <zetheroo> zenobius: its got nothing to do about a "fear" of the terminal.....
[08:40] <kirk> ok ill take it
[08:40] <sven_> but better you choose openGL at games
[08:41] <sven_> then it runs more natively
[08:41] <sintacto> s
[08:41] <riaal> common, how do I get widescreen suport for 7.04?
[08:41] <riaal> some package in the standard repos, just forgot its name
[08:41] <zenobius> zetheroo: http://streamripper.sourceforge.net/tutorialconsole.php
[08:41] <Peddy> can anyone tell me about a simple backup program such as OSXs Timemachine but for ubuntu?
[08:41] <sintacto> openchrome?
[08:41] <kirk> ive never used wine before. im off to make it happen
[08:41] <sven_> riaal:  i do have a toshiba 16:10 15,4" tft notebook and i had widescreen on the fly at 7.04 ^^
[08:41] <zetheroo> zenobius: I am trying to get more and more people to go to Linux (Ubuntu) every day... adn those who have made the switch cannot be told that they have to start fidling around with command prompts in order to do somethign relitively simple
[08:41] <kirk> is there 64 amd version of wine?
[08:42] <bullgard4> Peddy: Use rsnapshot.
[08:42] <kirk> shoudl i install 32bit even tho im 64amd?
[08:42] <Peddy> thanks bullgard4
[08:42] <dgjones> !backup | Peddy I use an app called unison which works well, but there's a few suggestions here
[08:42] <ubotu> Peddy I use an app called unison which works well, but there's a few suggestions here: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[08:42] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, seems to run fine, though it looks like they complied it for KDE instead of Gnome. How do I add the correct svg file for the icon?
[08:42] <zenobius> zetheroo: dont bother. most love brands and linux isnt a brand its a kernel.
[08:42] <Peddy> thanks guys
[08:42] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: do you know where the icon is on your computer?
[08:42] <zetheroo> zenobius: your right about that
[08:43] <bullgard4> Peddy: rsnapshot is not the simplest available in Ubuntu but very good. I use it every single day.
[08:43] <zetheroo> zenobius: thanks for your help
[08:43] <sven_> i have no menu entry for "desktop backgrounds" to change them at system ->settings :(
[08:43] <Peddy> bullgard4- I mean backing up and restoring of single files easily
[08:43] <zenobius> zetheroo: ie. most of my friends that use win and mac do so becuase they know nothing of computers but dont want to come here and admit it or go without that supermarket feel you get with those platforms
[08:43] <Peddy> but thanks
[08:43] <mavi-> sven_: appearance or just right click the desktop
[08:43]  * verb3k thanks zenobius for his help on the IRC
[08:43] <sven_> mavi-:  aaah thank you hehe :)
[08:44] <Josiah> Flannel: wow sorry if that confused you I had my Gustys and my Fiestys backwards. I cannot install Gusty because of the kernel version. If I use Fiesty it will just update it to Gusty and screw the pooch with my kernel again.
[08:44] <bullgard4> Peddy: No, for backing up single files, rsnapshot requires too much overhead.
[08:44] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, I'm not sure no. A search for "lmms" turned up nothing
[08:44] <sven_> mavi-: there's no appearance button but rightclick helped hehe :)
[08:44] <sven_> oh my god how cool is this wallpaper o.o earth
[08:45] <Viking667> weird.
[08:45] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: idont' know maybe it'd be easier to either download an icon, or use another one thats already in the system.
[08:45] <sven_> mavi-: i've lost my other wallpaper i had before changing from 7.04 to 7.10 :(
[08:45] <bottiger> when I try to update my system I get an error like: "main/a/amarok/amarok-xine_1.4.8-0ubuntu1~gutsy1_i386.deb  Size mismatch"
[08:45] <bottiger> any idea what to do about that?
[08:46] <new2ubuntu> I'm trying to type japanese, I've installed scim and related packages, I've started scim but I cannot get the input method to change.. any suggestions ?
[08:46] <Peddy> can anyone tell me about a simple backup program with a GUI? :)
[08:46] <Peddy> bullgard4 I need something simpler
[08:46] <zenobius> peddy: open your main menu
[08:46] <zenobius> peddy: and search in add/remove
[08:46] <Peddy> backup
[08:46] <malnilion> !backup
[08:46] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[08:46] <dgjones> Peddy, have a look at Unison, thats very easy to use
[08:46] <Josiah> anybody up for a little internet connectivity troubleshooting?
[08:47] <Peddy> dgjones: it does not seem to have a gui
[08:47] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, alright I just picked something random. Any idea why it might not have made it's own entry in the menu?
[08:47] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: look in /usr/share/pixmaps, there's a lot of icons in that directory and its subdirectories.
[08:47] <zenobius> Josiah: it depends on your ability to comprehend netowrking
[08:47] <bullgard4> Peddy: dgjones has given you very good links. They include also your simple needs.
[08:47] <dgjones> Peddy, it does have a gui, thats what I use, give me a sec, I'll install it on this machine
[08:47] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: no colue... it happens to me every once in a while... if it makes you feel better though, just to see if it did the same to me, i installed lmms, and it didn't go into my menu either.
[08:47] <malnilion> Josiah, but we can certainly take a shot
[08:47] <ObeyRoy> Could I burn a CD during a live session?
[08:48] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: for instance, for some reason, Frostwire never goes into my menu.., so i always have to add it manually...
[08:48] <zenobius> ObeyRoy: maybe, if you have second drive
[08:48] <Peddy> dgjones: ohh its a seperate package
[08:48] <Peddy> sorry :/
[08:48] <dgjones> Peddy, if you search in synaptic for unison, there's unison-gtk :)
[08:48] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, haha that did actually make me feel better. You running 32 or 64 bit?
[08:48] <Peddy> dgjones yeah thanks
[08:48] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: 32bit
[08:48] <Josiah> lol. well we will give it a shot :). Internet just stopped working... :( Works on other computer on router (the one im on now) but just stopped on the other. Have rebooted the system and tried different ports... must i reboot router? sounds like its not sending a new dhcp connection request to the router to me
[08:48] <dgjones> Peddy, no probs
[08:49] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak,  ah okay, good to cover both bases
[08:49] <Josiah> but i dont know how to force linux to do that
[08:49] <zenobius> Peddy : there is also sbackup - Simple Backup Suite for desktop use
[08:49] <kirk> i hope this wine shit works with css
[08:49] <malnilion> Josiah, so you're running over ethernet?
[08:49] <kirk> mmm it will be so on
[08:49] <bullgard4> Where would I feel the most improvement if I replaced my 512 MB RAM with 2 GB using an 1.8 GHz Intel Pentium M processor? (No 3D applications planned)
[08:49] <Josiah> malnilion: correct
[08:49] <zenobius> bullgard4: for me, when i put in 1gb everything ran faster
[08:50] <bottiger> bullgard4: are you ever using all your ram for applications?
[08:50] <bottiger> bullgard4: then yes
[08:50] <bullgard4> bottiger: Yes, often.
[08:50] <Josiah> in windows i would just ipconfig /release all renew all
[08:50] <Josiah> what do i do in linux?
[08:50] <murch> whats the shortcut to switch between workspaces anyone
[08:50] <zenobius> Josiah: not sure, i dont use dhcp by habit
[08:50] <zenobius> Josiah: like to be incontrol
[08:51] <bottiger> bullgard4: then I guess you would feel a difference. but remember, in linux you more or less always use all your rams because of caching
[08:51] <sven_> bullgard4: 1,8ghz is mostly fast enough hehe :) just get more ram than 512 512 is really small today hehe 1gb or more i prefer
[08:51] <bullgard4> zenobius: Can you tell me how much faster, sujectively?
[08:51] <Josiah> zenobius: good point unfortunatly I do not have the password to get into the router and reconfigure... otherwise i wouldnt either
[08:51] <malnilion> Josiah, you might try running dhclient
[08:51] <IndyGunFreak> murch: i always use the scroll wheel, but if that doesn't work for you, check system/preferences/keyboard shortcutzs
[08:51] <murch> ta
[08:52] <ameet> hi
[08:52] <malnilion> Josiah, try running sudo dhclient and see if that gets you a renewed lease
[08:52] <mosno> why is LVM not the default install type?
[08:52] <zenobius> bullgard4: well, metacity didnt stutter is rendering as i dragged windows, apps take 1-3secs to load rather than 20secs, (some gnomes apps still take ages to load)....i can do more thigns at once without sttutered slowdown
[08:52] <Josiah> malnilion: said it did... but not connecting still :(
[08:52] <zenobius> Josiah: to restart netowrking stack : sudo /etc/init.d/netoworking restart
[08:53] <malnilion> Josiah, that's /etc/init.d/networking restart
[08:53] <Josiah> zenobius: ah well that fixed it :) just unplugged the wireless router from the other router... must be a conflict in ip addresses
[08:53] <malnilion> lol
[08:53] <Josiah> :)
[08:53] <zenobius> malnilion: nothing much will happen without sudo
[08:53] <malnilion> zenobius, you misspelled networking :P
[08:53] <zenobius> Josiah: tis why i dont use dhcp,
[08:53] <IndyGunFreak> *except permissiond enied errors
[08:53] <malnilion> But issue resolved regardless :P
[08:54] <Josiah> zenobius: same here... but like I said no control over it at the moment
[08:54] <riaal> how can I access the signs/char templet?
[08:54] <riaal> running with mac keyboard
[08:54] <mnemonica> are directx and d3d the same thing?
[08:54] <riaal> found it
[08:54] <riaal> not
[08:55] <zenobius> mnemonica: directx is the parent project that encompasses direct3d
[08:55] <bullgard4> bottiger: I know the word 'caching'. But when I use find and grep, these programs often need more than 10 minutes to finish. Also, if I have 17 applications open and I switch to another of my 4 desktops, then I begin to think if quadrupling my RAM size would do good.
[08:55] <Josiah> zenobius: when they had their (wireless bleh) internet installed the installer put a pword on the router and I cant figure it out... dont want to reset the router because I dont know if there is any ip addresses or internal user/passes i might need
[08:55] <Josiah> zenobius: then i would be without internet all night... cant have that
[08:55] <mnemonica> zenobius: So running a program, in wine, using d3d is not the same as running it in wine using directx?
[08:55] <bottiger> bullgard4: I think so too
[08:55] <zenobius> Josiah: also i would nt use wifi by habiot either . since its possible to hijack your session regardless of os
[08:56] <zenobius> Josiah: so im no help their
[08:56] <sven_> mnemonica: i would say D3D is a part of directx O.o
[08:56] <zenobius> Josiah: there*
[08:56] <sven_> mnemonica: DirectX  <-- this X stays as replacer for "3D"  "Sound"  "Draw" and so on
[08:56] <Josiah> zenobius: lol... come on zenobius you dont have anything running on wifi? thats no fun
[08:56] <zenobius> Josiah: keep thinking if hte advert for 'tubes' in brazil
[08:57] <zenobius> Hi...and i'd like to talk to you about....tubes
[08:57] <yaba> geeker
[08:57] <Josiah> lol
[08:57] <zenobius> moving right along
[08:57] <mnemonica> sven_: Ok... Cool. _kind of_ answers my question. Thanks. :)
[08:57] <sven_> mnemonica: D3D is a short for direct3D :)
[08:57] <chump> hey guys i
[08:57] <Josiah> hey guys i?
[08:57] <sven_> and Direct3D is a part of DirectX like DirectDraw and DirectSound or others
[08:57] <chump> sorry i fat fingered and was retyping my question
[08:58] <ameet> how can i use the talk feature of Google Talk , am using Ubuntu 7.04
[08:58] <chump> hey guys i'm having issues installing VMware on my  ubuntu gusty its giving me this error during installation
[08:58] <chump> make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config0/vmnet-only'
[08:58] <chump> Unable to build the vmnet module.
[08:59] <zenobius> chump: check the ubuntu wiki? checked the howto forge?
[08:59] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, hmm the latest 64bit build from here says I'm missing libc6 was not satisifed. http://ftp.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/lmms/  But if I try to install libc6 from the latest deb from ubuntu's package website, the deb says I already HAVE libc6 installed...
[08:59] <zenobius> chump: google vmware ubuntu install howto forge
[08:59] <chump> thanks
[08:59] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: thats wierd... what package is that in relation to?
[08:59] <AdemoS> does the 32 bit install for you?
[08:59] <zenobius> chump: i used the guide about a year ago and it was solid for me
[08:59] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, what do you mean by relalation?
[09:00] <zenobius> chump: gone from local memory though, sorry cant help more than that
[09:00] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: you need libc6 for what program?
[09:00] <Josiah> chump: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ubuntu.com%2Farchives%2Fubuntu-users%2F2005-September%2F047811.html&ei=3S-HR9_bHKDUpgTx0fzpDA&usg=AFQjCNGhUjoqc07sJN2qWlOjz4CiMk_p7Q&sig2=gckjU7lDOv0XQgBGkW3zbg
[09:00] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, sorry, I need it for lmms_0.3.1-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[09:00] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: hmmm..
[09:00] <ameet> or any other  alternative for that
[09:00] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, does it give you the same error if you try to install that version?
[09:01] <zenobius> zetheroo: excellent terminal app im using to keep a clean terminal on the desktop is tilda, operates just like the console in quake
[09:01] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: try opening a terminal and sudo apt-get build-dep lmms  see if it downloads/installs anything
[09:01] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, from that place
[09:01] <Josiah> oops nm that chump
[09:01] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: i installed from the Synaptic, and it works fine.
[09:01] <AdemoS> hmm, same here but I thought that deb might fix the menu issue
[09:01] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: must be a 64bit issue, cuz it seems to work fine for me.
[09:02] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, the deb from there you mean?
[09:02] <zenobius> AdemoS: are you trying latest version? is it good? does it play large songs nice without stutters?
[09:02] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: no, installing frmo Synaptic.
[09:02] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, well the Synaptic install works fine. But I was trying to use the Deb from that location instead, to see if it would fix the Main Menu issue
[09:02] <zenobius> AdemoS: i was big fan of jekolaBuzz and fruityloops when i was a windows user
[09:02] <osfameron> how do I restart gnome network manager?
[09:03] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: oh i see, ok....
[09:03] <osfameron> recently it's taken to soiling itself on resume and claiming there are no network interfaces
[09:03] <AdemoS> zenobius, well I prefered Reason to FL Studio, but Wired isn't as available in terms of debs
[09:03] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: that seems kinda like removing the engine of a car to do an oil change.
[09:03] <zenobius> osfameron: comparison to reason in linux is using the jack server with any sound app you want
[09:04] <zenobius> osfameron: woops mistell
[09:04] <osfameron> heh
[09:04] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, in reference to what?
[09:04] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: just install it from the package manager, and add it to the menu, rather than downloading the .deb, etc...
[09:05] <zenobius> AdemoS: have you tried making a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications ?
[09:05] <AdemoS> zenobius, "are you trying latest version? is it good? does it play large songs nice without stutters?" <--- The version from Synaptic works great, it won't match my Gnome theme, and looks like a KDE app, but the functions are fine. The only issue is you have to make your own Main Menu item
[09:05] <zenobius> AdemoS: ive only used lmms from repos in feisty
[09:05] <AdemoS> zenobius, I wouldn't know how to make a .desktop file
[09:05] <AdemoS> zenobius, all I've done is make a menu entry
[09:06] <zenobius> AdemoS: large songs with many intruments and interesting piano rolls take ages to load and dont always play true
[09:06] <AdemoS> zenobius, so you're saying LMMS isn't that good? Well, is there anything better? Wired looked good, but I couldn't track down a deb for 64 bit
[09:07] <zenobius> AdemoS: lmms is pretty darn close to fruityloops, darn well should be since its trying to clone it...but i remember nullsoft or AOL bought out frutiyloops so no love on the source release
[09:07] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, oh and I did install it from the pkg manager, and add it to the menu. That's how it is now, I was just trying to get a official soultion, for if I ever wanted to upgrade
[09:07] <zenobius> AdemoS: anyhting 64bit is no love
[09:07]  * osfameron tries killing network manager
[09:07] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: gotcha.. i see what you're saying now.... as for Wired, have youc onsidered downloading the source code?..
[09:07] <zenobius> AdemoS: but i wouldnt know since i dont have 64bit processor
[09:08] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, yes, but building from source always seems like trying to re-invent the wheel in terms of steps. I'm probably just being lazy though
[09:08] <zenobius> osfameron: try in terminal : sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:08] <osfameron> ok, I've killed nm-appet, and tried to restart it
[09:08] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: sometimes.. i think your'e issue is the 64bit though..
[09:08] <osfameron> but of course it doesn't come up again
[09:08] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, probably
[09:08] <osfameron> zenobius: ah!  ok... that probably won't bring up the applet again though will it?
[09:09] <zenobius> osfameron: no, but you should check your system menu -> preferences -> session
[09:09] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, I used to have 32 bit, changed to 64 bit for the increased RAM (I have 8 GB of it) I mainly use this computer for Blender and Cinelerra
[09:09] <osfameron> zenobius: it also doesn't bring up eth1 again
[09:09] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: not that i encourage people to leave Ubuntu, but one of the few distros that is 64bit ready in my opinion, is Suse.
[09:09] <zenobius> osfameron: is it in there? is it set to restart on crash?
[09:09] <osfameron> zenobius: after running restart, ifconfig just shows me "lo"
[09:09] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, yeah I've heard good things about OpenSuse, a friend has it. I may try dual booting with it one day. For now though, Ubuntu seem good enough
[09:09] <osfameron> zenobius: I don't have a "Session" under System - Preferences
[09:10] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, does OpenSose use Gnome by default?
[09:10] <zenobius> osfameron: you should
[09:10] <sven_> AdemoS: nope it uses what you choose :P
[09:10] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: i don't think so, i think suse(at least it used to), kinda used its own bastard GUI... i don't recall the libraries that it used... that was ages ago for me.
[09:10] <sven_> you can choose by install
[09:10] <osfameron> zenobius: I'm on 6.10 still.  Menu goes from "Search and Indexing" to "Sound"
[09:11] <AdemoS> IndyGunFreak, ah I see.
[09:11] <zenobius> osfameron: edgey is on edge. feisty is rockn and ready to bounce ya
[09:11] <AdemoS> sven_, :P Well so does Ubuntu, but that doesn't really say anything besides "Options exist"
[09:11] <zenobius> osfameron: anyhting to do with startup?
[09:11] <sven_> AdemoS: openSuSe uses KDE or Gnome or Xfce (depends on your install choosing) and has upgrades to style these environments in suse way :)
[09:12] <Sandy_Malteser> hi
[09:12] <osfameron> zenobius: yeah, I'm waiting to get new laptop to install it on.  I have very little disk space and my external HD is knackered, so haven't done a *full* backup in ages (YES, I SUCK)  hence no upgrade yet
[09:12] <zenobius> osfameron: im on feisty, much more stable...and it seems they mess ed around with the menus too
[09:12] <sven_> AdemoS:  but by default (at install screen) KDE is marked
[09:12] <zenobius> osfameron: no need to backup if you had put /home on a another partition
[09:12] <osfameron> zenobius: yeah, I just installed xubuntu gutsy on my old desktop pc/server, looks lovely
[09:12] <IndyGunFreak> sven_: i thought that was the case, but wasn't 100% sure
[09:12] <osfameron> zenobius: how do I check?
[09:13] <AdemoS> sven_, ah I see. You seem like a OpenSuse missionary, sent to pull away users. :P
[09:13] <sven_> IndyGunFreak: no problem hehe :)
[09:13] <osfameron> zenobius: but I'd like to back up /etc and so on too, as there's bound to be config files I'll mess up...
[09:13] <zenobius> osfameron: xubuntu lacks porper desktop use of netowrks file sharing and intergration like gnome has
[09:13] <sven_> AdemoS:  rofl hell no xD i dont hate any linux distro all have good and bad things on their own :> after all i just used alot of hehe
[09:13] <zenobius> osfameron: check? waht version ubuntu or where your partitions are?
[09:14] <IndyGunFreak> suse isn't to bad, but like i said, iv'e not used it in many years... i'm just in love w/ debian.
[09:14] <AdemoS> sven_, :P Well as a non-hater, would you agree that OpenSuse does 64 bit better? And if so how? Just greater number of 64 bit packages?
[09:14] <osfameron> zenobius: it's a really old machine... from 2000, low memory.  The ubuntu install CD crapped itself.  Actually even the xubuntu GUI install CD would have failed :-)
[09:14] <osfameron> zenobius: the partitions
[09:14] <sven_> AdemoS: but for me suse is a bit to slow at install of software (yast rpm system with caching of repos every time so slooow) :)
[09:14] <zenobius> osfameron: sudo fdisk -l
[09:14] <zenobius> osfameron: or sudo cat /etc/fstab
[09:14] <zenobius> osfameron: or for Mounted File Sytem Table : sudo cat /etc/mtab
[09:15] <AdemoS> sven_, OOOH yeah, the friend who has it told me Suse creates everything from source so it takes a while to install new things.......I hate waiting but does that mean you can just throw source files at it and watch them install? :D
[09:15]  * AdemoS uses wishful thinking
[09:15] <AdemoS> xD
[09:15] <bazhang> is this #suse or #ubuntu ?
[09:15] <sven_> AdemoS: no it doesnt do anything better it works simultaneous 32 + 64bit at once same time thats the funny thing hehe :) but 64bit kernel (with 32bit cappability) for more ram support
[09:15] <osfameron> zenobius: oh, even df -h (incidentally)
[09:15] <osfameron> zenobius: but no, this install doesn't have /home on a separate party
[09:15] <zenobius> osfameron: yep that DiskFree
[09:15] <IndyGunFreak> bazhang: its #ubususe
[09:15] <Josiah> anybody tried gos?
[09:16] <bazhang> IndyGunFreak: haha
[09:16] <AdemoS> sven_, well that's what got me. Supposedly (never used it) but Windows 64 bit can run 32 bit things without issue. So the fact that Ubuntu won't (without a massive amount of tweaking/installing) was kind of a let-down.
[09:16] <zenobius> osfameron: consider it next time
[09:16] <osfameron> zenobius: yeah, I did on that xubuntu install.  Will make a note for lappy too
[09:16] <sven_> AdemoS: nope suse doesnt create everything from source suse has its own package format named .rpm and these cabs have all pre-configured mostly hehe
[09:16] <IndyGunFreak> AdemoS: thats the one thing thats kept me from running 64bit.., its just not wortht he hassle to me, so i'll stay w/ 32bit for the forseeable future
[09:16] <bazhang> Josiah: yeah but offtopic here; e17 on top of Ubuntu 7.10; not easy to get going as far as codecs
[09:16] <zenobius> sven_: suse uses rpm?
[09:17] <IndyGunFreak> zenobius: it used to, don't knwo if it still does
[09:17] <zenobius>  bazhang:  Josiah: just tried it a couple days ago, the e17-cvs...and i dont recommend it
[09:17] <zenobius>  bazhang:  Josiah: it borked my apt-get
[09:17] <sven_> AdemoS:  yes thats cause ubuntu is based on debian and debian can only 32 or 64bit at same time as one said to me from the debian team some time back suse can both things but is slower then a bit
[09:17] <IndyGunFreak> !suse
[09:17] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[09:18] <zenobius> very much am disliking the rpm hell.
[09:18] <AdemoS> sven_, hah slow and steady huh?
[09:18] <AdemoS> sven_, this article explains why I went with 64 bit http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,111508-page,1/article.html
[09:18] <sven_> AdemoS: i dont know what fits to you just try all things and find your best
[09:18] <AdemoS> Mainly that you can use more RAM and run things faster. Things like 3D modeling and video editing
[09:18] <Josiah> zenobius: lol ok... i hear there is a way to get e17 with the gos theme and everything through ubuntu without installing gos itself
[09:19] <zenobius> AdemoS: also i think Suse have benifit of a deal with microsoft, since novell is in their pocket...am i wrong i might be
[09:19] <zenobius> Josiah: a live cd is available for that
[09:19] <sven_> AdemoS: 64bit is better yes but not standard everywhere today just wait some time soon ubuntu will be 64bit only too when 64bit comes standard :)
[09:19] <IndyGunFreak> ah yes, Suse's deal w/ the Devil
[09:19] <kirk> wine kicks ass
[09:19] <IndyGunFreak> there was a big backlash when that happened, on LQ.org
[09:19] <zenobius> so yeah if suse have megacorp backing then its no wonder they have a pot of gold from scrouges vault
[09:19] <IndyGunFreak> kirk: when it works
[09:20] <Josiah> zenobius:  i think you can do it by just adding the repositorie and telling it to get one thing... let me see if i can find that howto
[09:20] <AdemoS> sven_, haha that'll be the day. And I'll come back to #ubuntu to giggle at you :P
[09:20] <sven_> zenobius: the most money novell makes through payed support
[09:20] <sven_> paid? omg i dont know
[09:20] <kirk> milkdrop2 works
[09:20] <zenobius> Josiah: not interested. e17 is only a pretty desktop, not funcational...the file manager isnt even better than my the rockbox file navigator on my ipod
[09:20] <IndyGunFreak> sven_: the good thign though, is Debian will probably always have a 32bit release...lol
[09:21] <Josiah> http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2007/12/steps-to-install-gos-on-ubuntu-gutsy.html
[09:21] <sven_> AdemoS: why so? i do like 32bit still fine enough for me and my newest notebook supports it and all codecs too so i will stay some time with 32bit
[09:21] <zenobius> sven_ : ahh i was wrong
[09:21] <Josiah> zenobius: lol ok :) I just liked that ibar it comes with
[09:21] <nios> if i want to tar all in /home/* how to do that ?
[09:21] <AdemoS> sven_, oh, I didn't have a good point, I just wanted to giggle for the sake of giggling xD
[09:21] <sven_> IndyGunFreak: yeah but thats for hardware support but soon 64bit will turn the standard and most will have 64bit then hehe :)
[09:21] <Josiah> zenobius: and the theme... i think they did a very nice job with the theme
[09:21] <zenobius> Josiah: it crashes to much to be useful too
[09:21] <Symmetria> can someone give me the format of a bind mount entry in fstab?
[09:22] <IndyGunFreak> sven_: very true... :)
[09:22] <sven_> AdemoS: lol @ randomness xD
[09:22] <AdemoS> sven_, I think that's a good sign that I should get some sleep 4:22 AM here
[09:22] <AdemoS> goodnight guys
[09:22] <earlmred> nios: tar cfp backupname.tar /home
[09:22] <zenobius> Josiah: but i would like it as my main, since it is quite fast at rendering windows
[09:22] <Josiah> zenobius: sucks for all those people that are buying the wal-mart $200 machines :)
[09:22] <sven_> AdemoS: it's 10:22am here :P
[09:23] <Josiah> zenobius: e17 is?
[09:23] <zenobius> Josiah: they making same desicion there as when they choose to buy chemmically pumped prepeared food packages rather than cook their own food from scratch with herbs
[09:23] <zenobius> Josiah: yep
[09:24] <sven_> i prefer .deb when i have to decide between .deb and .rpm :) just for speed
[09:24] <Beelze> someone of you have a guide to install kde 4 for ubuntu?
[09:24] <Josiah> zenobius: mmm sounds yummy
[09:24] <loodjuret> is kde 4 out?
[09:24] <loodjuret> released?
[09:24] <Josiah> so iBar sucks huh
[09:24] <zenobius> yup, only cvs though i think
[09:24] <Beelze> y think so
[09:24] <loodjuret> k
[09:25] <zenobius> Josiah: its a nueterd version of avant-windows-manager, cept i dont require a compositing manager
[09:25] <zenobius> Josiah: or kiba-dock
[09:25] <Josiah> which is best? or is it best not to use one?
[09:25] <earlmred> Beelze: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:25] <zenobius> Josiah: its not bad though, just not usable and i cant replace gnome-panel with any of those reliably yet
[09:26] <sven_> zenobius: apple friend? :)
[09:26] <zenobius> earlmred: kde4 not kde3
[09:26] <loodjuret> just love avant-window-navigator
[09:26] <Beelze> earlmred, but i get kde3 then
[09:26] <earlmred> zenobius: isn't it kde4 on gutsy?
[09:26] <zenobius> earlmred: no. sven_: no.
[09:26] <earlmred> zenobius: i see kde4 packages in apt-cache
[09:26] <Josiah> gos
[09:26] <zenobius> earlmred: empty they be
[09:26] <Josiah> oops :)
[09:26] <Josiah> wrong keyboard mt sorry
[09:27] <zenobius> Josiah: yeah that has a livecd you can get and use
[09:27] <earlmred> Beelze: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[09:27] <Josiah> id wrather not :)
[09:28] <Beelze> thx earlmred i´ve used that link some days before
[09:28] <neko_> hi people
[09:28] <zenobius> earlmred: sudo apt-cache show kde4base...oops eat my own words they have bytes size now
[09:28] <neko_> fast question
[09:28] <earlmred> zenobius: yeah, i thought i saw it
[09:28] <earlmred> i think apt-get install kde4base is all you need to do
[09:28] <zenobius> earlmred: when i check last week they had no bytesize
[09:28] <Taffy_nay> Hey people, I'm having trouble with ALSA on ubuntu 7.10. Every time I plug headphones into the sound card on my laptop, i get sound through the headphones AND the laptop speakers. It does not switch, and I cant seem to find a way to switch manually
[09:28] <zenobius> earlmred: be our guinea pig?
[09:28] <neko_> do you know if it is possible to have the input line of a terminal in a different color than the output of the commands
[09:29] <Josiah> alright... k9copy issues... it gets about halfway through reading the dvd and then closes completely.... anybody?
[09:29] <loodjuret> Taffy_nay: volume control -> switches -> headphone jack sence
[09:29] <zenobius> Josiah: i use acidrip, on feisty, and i have the codecs from medibuntu repos
[09:30] <zenobius> Josiah: i just made a ackup of shameless season 1 no problems
[09:30] <jgonzalez> hi, anybody out there with a working bluetooth headset? I'm trying to configure mine without success
[09:30] <neko_> "mycomputer:/home/some/path$ ls" in bright white for example and the output of ls in a dimmer color
[09:30] <Taffy_nay> loodjuret: I have that option ticked alread, but it is making no difference
[09:30] <neko_> (don't know if my question is clear
[09:30] <Josiah> zenobius: is this damned deadwood season 3... giving me problems with dvdfab as well
[09:30] <murch> hey folks quick question
[09:31] <murch> is it worth trying to set up my XF-i card
[09:31] <loodjuret> Taffy_nay: check the connection. should work
[09:31] <zenobius> Josiah: dvdfab? a prog? not used it.. your using kde as a desktop?
[09:31] <zenobius> murch: waht is "XF-i card"
[09:31] <Josiah> sorry dvdfab is on my windows machine... best backup program ever... wish i could use it in ubuntu
[09:31] <zenobius> Josiah: is it dual layer?
[09:31] <Josiah> zenobius: the dvd?
[09:32] <Taffy_nay> tloodjuret: the connection is fine, as I said, i get sound through both output points
[09:32] <zenobius> Josiah: i used dvddecryptor on windows
[09:32] <murch> creative sound card
[09:32] <gee1> sound card?
[09:32] <ameet> my capture is not working
[09:32] <ameet> sound capture
[09:32] <zenobius> Josiah: yep is it dual layer or something exotic like that?
[09:32] <Josiah> zenobius: i use dvddecryptor as well... still do in ubuntu but dvdfab is way better imo
[09:32] <earlmred> bah
[09:32] <Josiah> zenobius: nope not dual layer
[09:32] <earlmred> stupid "desktop effects could not be enabled"
[09:32] <Josiah> just a pain
[09:32] <earlmred> i think desktop effects hates xinerama
[09:33] <ameet> my sound capture is not working , what to do
[09:33] <loodjuret> Taffy_nay: strange. works for me. using ubuntu?
[09:33] <zenobius> ammet: try looking on : wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com/community first
[09:33] <tarelerul2>  Is  Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual  CPU  T2310  @ 1.46GHz  a 64 bit processor ?  anyone
[09:33] <zenobius> ammet: gutsy or feisty?
[09:34] <IndyGunFreak> tarelerul2: 1.5ghz?  i doubt it, but it might be...
[09:35] <IndyGunFreak> tarelerul2: if you're not sure, just use 32bit ubuntu, unless you have some reason to need 64bit.
[09:35] <zenobius> Joshia: have you got libdvdcss2 from medibuntu repos installed?
[09:35] <Taffy_nay> loodjuret: I have had four iterations of ubuntu on my laptop, all of which I have managed to find a way to, at least, manually switch.  This just has me totally confuzzled
[09:35] <Josiah> zenobius: yesir
[09:35] <Josiah> and 3
[09:36] <zenobius> Josiah: okies
[09:36] <Johnny_5> is 64 bit ubuntu as stable as 32 bit??
[09:36] <zenobius> Josiah: i suspect gutsy was released far too early for consumption
[09:37] <Johnny_5> how does one know which one they have?
[09:37] <IndyGunFreak> Johnny_5: i imagine they're both stable, but 32bit is far less hassle
[09:37] <Johnny_5> k
[09:37] <Josiah> zenobius: I agree... I did not have any issues with it on my machine until I updated the bios... and according to the forums the issue I am having is with the kernel version and the hard drive I have
[09:37] <IndyGunFreak> Johnny_5: in a terminal uname -a  whats the output?.. that will tell you what verison your'e using.
[09:38] <Johnny_5> k
[09:38] <Johnny_5> thanx
[09:38] <Josiah> zenobius: I dont know... just figured I would get hardy and try it from there
[09:38] <Josiah> zenobius: supposadly thats the fix :(
[09:38] <tarelerul2> IndyGunFreak  , what do you mean  hassle ?
[09:38] <ameet> feisty
[09:38] <zenobius> kirk: to update enviroment variables i needed to use the export command as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables
[09:39] <IndyGunFreak> tarelerul2: web plugins, some programs don't have 64bit versions, etc.. i'm sure for some, its great, to me, it was just a headache..
[09:39] <Josiah> zenobius: you use ubuntu tweak / compiz fusion?
[09:39] <loodjuret> Taffy_nay: nothing related on ubuntuforums.org ? should be a way to check whether the jack sensor is detecting the cord or not.
[09:39] <zenobius> ameet: you can use terminal?
[09:39] <sss> Is it possible to upgrade to ubuntu 7.1 from ubuntu 6.0 without losing any data ?
[09:39] <mkquist> hey all, I'm running a generic kernel.  Is it better to run a kernel for my cpu?  noob question i know...
[09:39] <zenobius> Josiah: i have it running on dual screen with fraembuffer. on a raedon 9660
[09:39] <mkquist> or does it matter?
[09:39] <ameet> I can
[09:39] <tarelerul2> IndyGunFreak:  I think java and flash player where not 64 bit
[09:40] <IndyGunFreak> tarelerul2: yeah.
[09:40] <zenobius> ameet: run sudo lspci and pastebin the output for me
[09:40] <Josiah> both of them? does ubuntu tweak recognize your compiz fusion? its not recognizing mine
[09:40] <ameet> ok
[09:40] <zenobius> ammet: ps nice plugin for pastebin for gnome in repos called weboard
[09:41] <ameet> here u go
[09:41] <zenobius> Josiah: ubuntu tweak? not using that . i installed compiz using amaranths repos
[09:41] <ameet> 00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 Host Bridge (rev 10)
[09:41] <ameet> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 PCI Bridge
[09:41] <ameet> 00:05.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 5a37
[09:41] <ameet> 00:06.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 PCI Bridge
[09:41] <ameet> 00:12.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Non-Raid-5 SATA
[09:41] <ameet> 00:13.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI0)
[09:41] <ameet> 00:13.1 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI1)
[09:41] <ameet> 00:13.2 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI2)
[09:41] <ameet> 00:13.3 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI3)
[09:41] <zenobius> ammet: i said pastebin.
[09:41] <ameet> 00:13.4 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI4)
[09:41] <dgjones> !paste > ameet
[09:41] <ameet> 00:13.5 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB Controller (EHCI)
[09:41] <ameet> 00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 SMBus (rev 13)
[09:41] <ameet> 00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 IDE
[09:41] <zenobius> kek
[09:41] <ameet> 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Azalia
[09:41] <ameet> 00:14.3 ISA bridge: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 PCI to LPC Bridge
[09:41] <zenobius> lol
[09:41] <ameet> 00:14.4 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 PCI to PCI Bridge
[09:41] <IndyGunFreak> moron
[09:41] <ameet> 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration
[09:41] <dgjones> !ops | ameet (paste)
[09:41] <ubotu> ameet (paste): Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici!
[09:41] <ameet> 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
[09:41] <ameet> 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
[09:41] <Josiah> ameet use pastebin
[09:41] <ameet> 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control
[09:41] <ameet> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200M]
[09:41] <ameet> 05:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)
[09:41] <zenobius> too late
[09:41] <Josiah> or just stop that
[09:41] <Josiah> lol
[09:42] <elkbuntu> ameet, PM me or come into -ops when your flood finishes
[09:42] <Beelze> should i use the kdm-kde4 display manager or can i hold my gdm?
[09:42] <zenobius> ameet: sudo apt-get install webboard
[09:42] <Beelze> a question while installing  kde4
[09:43] <Josiah> zenobius: hopefully tweak ubuntu will take off. I like what they are doing so far.
[09:43] <zenobius> Josiah: is it like tweakUI for windows?
[09:43] <Josiah> zenobius: yeah
[09:44] <zenobius> Josiah: ahh frontend to options available in gconf
[09:44] <zenobius> Josiah: as twekUI is a frontedn to options avail in the much harder to manipualte registry
[09:44] <Josiah> zenobius: yeah but it also works with 3rd party apps.... like metacity, compiz fusion, nautilus
[09:44] <ubuntu_newbie> hai
[09:45] <tarelerul2> I think I found my cpu ,but it says  64bit + and - what does that mean one one
[09:45] <sss> Is it possible to upgrade to ubuntu 7.1 from ubuntu 6.0 without losing any data ?
[09:45] <ubuntu_newbie> u may use ubuntu for 64 cpu
[09:45] <zenobius> Josiah: third party doesnt sound right here
[09:45] <ubuntu_newbie> like AMD 64
[09:45] <zenobius> Josiah: hehe it would in a lockdown world of "dont cross the red line"
[09:46]  * zenobius neckbrace explodes
[09:46] <Josiah> zenobius: ok... dont know how else to put it.
[09:46] <mkquist> do kernel builds matter anymore?  maybe that's the question...
[09:46] <zenobius> Josiah: i get it
[09:46] <Josiah> zenobius: well... we will see what they do :)
[09:46] <erawfish> sss: yes but you have to upgrade to every version along the way. 6.06 then 7.04 then 7.10. so you need to do 3 upgrades
[09:46] <gee1> yes
[09:46] <Johnny_5> ubuntu_newbie: but i hear its a pain to use the 64 bit version of the os
[09:46] <ubuntu_newbie> no one help me?
[09:46] <sss> I am ready to! where are the instructions?
[09:47] <zenobius> Josiah: it a good idea, is it in one gui now? before it was spread out over a few
[09:47] <ubuntu_newbie> why
[09:47] <Johnny_5> ubuntu_newbie: what do u need help with?
[09:47] <Josiah> zenobius: yeah. they are is v.02 :)
[09:47] <erawfish> tarelerul2: where did you see that + - thing
[09:47] <erawfish> !upgrade
[09:47] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[09:47] <zenobius> ubuntu_newbie: you didnt actually ask a question....you gave an answer "u may use ubuntu for 64 cpu"
[09:47] <Josiah> zenobius: sorry .2
[09:48] <mkquist> !kernel
[09:48] <sss> erawfish: thanks
[09:48] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[09:48] <mkquist> !k7 kernel
[09:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about k7 kernel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <tarelerul2> erawfish  This is what ubuntu tell me my cpu is  Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual  CPU  T2310  @ 1.46GHz and here is the page http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/pentium_dual-core.htm
[09:48] <zenobius> omg swiftfox site is down
[09:49] <erawfish> tarelerul2: check your /proc/cpuinfo
[09:49] <zenobius> not now
[09:49] <zenobius> back up
[09:49] <IndyGunFreak> tarelerul2: so whats the question?
[09:49] <Johnny_5> ubuntu_newbie: r u from Japan?
[09:49] <Josiah> zenobius: i get on just fine
[09:50] <ubuntu_newbie> i'm new user ubuntu. i was installed 7.10, but i'm need more software. i have some software who need to install. there i found i must configure then type make, and make install. but why i cant??
[09:50] <zenobius> yeah it was for a few seconds...must be running a server with not much threads
[09:50] <tarelerul2> IndyGunFreak:  What dose the + -  on 64  bit mean on that page
[09:50] <erawfish> tarelerul2: ask intel
[09:50] <cwillu> anybody ever hear of synaptic just freezing when hitting apply or okay in the prefs dialog (without having changed anything in the dialog)?
[09:50] <IndyGunFreak> tarelerul2: i don't think thats a - sign, i think thats a line under the + sign.
[09:50] <tarelerul2> ok put it this way what do you all think ?
[09:51] <erawfish> tarelerul2: we think you are offtopic
[09:51] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[09:51] <Johnny_5> ubuntu_newbie: what software r u refering to?
[09:51] <dgjones> ubuntu_newbie, its very rare that you'll need to manually install software with ubuntu, most app's you need are already in Synaptic package manager, you should be able to search for the app and if its there, you just tick the box and it will install it for you
[09:51] <zenobius> tarelerul2: i alwasy thought that symbol meant "tolerance within this range"
[09:51] <ubuntu_newbie> no i'm from indonesia
[09:51] <tarelerul2>  I am think about geting  64 Ubuntu and I was just wondering  if  I have 64 bit cpu . That is all
[09:52] <Johnny_5> ah...
[09:52] <IndyGunFreak> tarelerul2: wellt aht chart you posted seems to be quite clear
[09:52] <zenobius> ubuntu_newbie; al-ka-mana? is that right?
[09:52] <erawfish> tarelerul2: and I told you where to look
[09:52] <zenobius> ubuntu_newbie: did very little indonesian in primary school
[09:52] <erawfish> tarelerul2: if you have questions about intel websites: ask intel. not us
[09:52] <compwiz18> where would one find the HAL log at?
[09:52] <ameet> @zenobius : what do i do ?
[09:52] <zenobius> ubuntu_newbie: but yes you can run ubuntu on 64bit, but be prepared for effort
[09:52] <erawfish> ubuntu_newbie: you still haven't said what software
[09:53] <IndyGunFreak> erawfish: well, i tsounds like he's trying to compile something...lol
[09:53] <zenobius> ameet: have you pasted your output of lspci into a pastebin server, if so give me the url
[09:53] <erawfish> IndyGunFreak: it sounds he has no clue how to ask in an answerable way
[09:53] <Josiah> ubuntu_newbie: enable a universe and multiverse repositories and see if your software is listed.
[09:53] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[09:53] <Josiah> :)
[09:53] <zenobius> compwiz18: not in /var/logs ?
[09:53] <dgjones> IndyGunFreak, I get the feeling they don't know about synaptic
[09:53] <tarelerul2> zenobius, you mean "tolerance within this range" like it could go either 64 bit or not .  both os I am running are 32 bit
[09:54] <vlt> Hello. I want to open a .docx file. It seems to be MS's new "open" document format. I know it's evil and I rather should delete this from my ubuntu pc and my brain immediately ... but how _could_ I open it? Just in theory, purely academic ;-)
[09:54] <IndyGunFreak> dgjones: lol, ya think?
[09:54] <compwiz18> zenobius, if it is, it isn't called hal.log
[09:54] <zenobius> tarelerul2: yeah.
[09:54] <erawfish> !ot | tarelerul2
[09:54] <ubotu> tarelerul2: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[09:54] <dgjones> IndyGunFreak, just slightly
[09:54] <_moro_bana_> DOES THIS REMOVE WINE  FROM MY SYSTEM: sudo apt-get remove wine
[09:54] <dgjones> :)
[09:54] <erawfish> tarelerul2: please take your hardware questions to ##hardware
[09:54] <IndyGunFreak> _moro_bana_: yes...
[09:54] <Josiah> vlt: use docs.google.com and convert it in there
[09:54] <cwillu> _moro_bana_, assuming you installed it via apt or synaptic or similar
[09:54] <zenobius> compwiz18: since gutsy or feisty are having many different variations in its conf files etc, which one are you using...
[09:54] <_moro_bana_> IndyGunFreak: COMPLETLY ?
[09:54] <ubuntu_newbie> when i get the software in .deb, i can install it. but in my country i have some magazine about linux, there has many software, but in package, and i must compile by my own. but, ican't
[09:54] <compwiz18> zenobius, gutsy
[09:55] <IndyGunFreak> _moro_bana_: how did you install it?
[09:55] <dgjones> ubuntu_newbie, what software are you trying to install?
[09:55] <ubuntu_newbie> like songbird
[09:55] <compwiz18> _moro_bana_, sudo apt-get --purge remove wine removes completely, I think
[09:55] <_moro_bana_> IndyGunFreak: manually that was before i managet to connect to internet
[09:55] <zenobius> ubuntu_newbie: ahhh you will need build-essential, and you may even need to grab special one for 64bit
[09:55] <IndyGunFreak> _moro_bana_: so you installed it from source?
[09:56] <erawfish> ubuntu_newbie: then said CD is useless. fix your sources.list
[09:56] <Johnny_5> ubuntu_newbie: well one thing u can do is go to add/remove and in the box that says show: you can click in the box and tell it to show all available applications and you can go to  software sources and make sure multivers and universe and so forth are selected...
[09:56] <_moro_bana_> IndyGunFreak: i downloaded the pack from packages.ubuntu yse
[09:56] <Josiah> ubuntu_newbie: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-songbird-music-player-in-ubuntu.html#more-105
[09:56] <zenobius> ubuntu_newbie: but more reliable source of ingformation is on wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com
[09:56] <erawfish> ubuntu_newbie: and you still haven't told us WHAT software!
[09:56] <IndyGunFreak> _moro_bana_: that doesn't mean you installed from source.. did you download a .deb file, or a tar.gz file