[08:49] <tsdgeos> dednick: what do you think of https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/fix_indicators_update_state/+merge/260104 ? Makes sense? i think it fixes the occasional race with the timer i mentioned on friday
[08:50] <dednick> tsdgeos: hm. will have to check it out. Need to make sure we don't need to update while dragging.
[08:50] <dednick> and that it updates when we let go
[08:51] <tsdgeos> dednick: sure, need CI to run too, to make sure i didn't broke something else :D
[09:06] <dednick> tsdgeos: seems to work
[09:07] <tsdgeos> :)
[09:07] <tsdgeos> let's see what CI says
[09:08] <dednick> sure :)
[09:10] <dednick> tsdgeos: are there any scope qmltests which contain video cards?
[09:10] <dednick> multiple i mean
[09:21] <dednick> nevermind. it doesn't appear so.
[09:23] <tsdgeos> dednick: yeah no, but we can always add some if you need to
[09:26] <dednick> tsdgeos: can probably survive without for now :)
[09:26] <dednick> I'll just hack the phone to skip the media-hub so I can demo without phone crashing ;)
[09:26] <tsdgeos> :)
[10:14] <dednick> tsdgeos: there seems to be something wrong with the Preview.isCurrent flag. it's always being set on preview0
[10:15] <tsdgeos> dednick: tests or real life?
[10:15] <dednick> tsdgeos: real life.
[10:16] <tsdgeos> let me grab a coke
[10:16] <tsdgeos> jet lag is kickin in
[10:16] <tsdgeos> see if caffeine helps
[10:16] <dednick> tsdgeos: and tests (try anyway)
[10:17] <dednick> tsdgeos: :) ok
[10:20] <tsdgeos> dednick: which tryXXX are you using ?
[10:23] <tsdgeos> ah yeah
[10:25] <tsdgeos> listview is a mess :/
[10:27] <dednick> tsdgeos: tryDashContent
[10:30] <tsdgeos> dednick:
[10:30] <tsdgeos> +                item.currentIndex = subPageLoader.initialIndex;
[10:31] <tsdgeos> in the onLoaded of qml/Dash/GenericScopeView.qml seems to help
[10:31] <tsdgeos> it should not be needed
[10:31] <tsdgeos> but oh well
[10:33] <dednick> tsdgeos: it's in the onLoaded already? item.initialIndex = Qt.binding(function() { return subPageLoader.initialIndex; } )
[10:33] <tsdgeos> that should make it work
[10:33] <tsdgeos> since we have the onCountChanged trick to set currentIndex
[10:33] <tsdgeos> but it's obviously not
[10:33] <tsdgeos> so forcing currentIndex directly
[10:33] <tsdgeos> makes it a bit more robust
[10:33] <tsdgeos> note i said currentIndex and not initialIndex
[10:34] <dednick> tsdgeos: ah
[10:34] <tsdgeos> and no need for the binding, just a one time thing on load
[10:36] <dednick> tsdgeos: ya. works now.
[10:37] <tsdgeos> :) and :/
[10:37] <dednick> indeed
[11:04] <tsdgeos> dednick: when you have 5 min can you comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~feng-kylin/unity8/OpenUrlInIndicator/+merge/258836 ?
[11:07] <larsu> ltinkl, mzanetti: I know this queued signal thing is causing you headaches, but I dislike merging this patch based on conjecture
[11:07] <larsu> we integrate with glib in a lot more places, and they all might face the same issues
[11:16] <dednick> Te
[11:16] <dednick> tsdgeos: done
[11:16] <tsdgeos> tx
[11:32] <lolek> hello everybody
[11:33] <lolek> I've got a situation with GtkMenuBar and Unity,and I'm looking for some ways to fix this. The thing is that the app has got multiple gtkmenubars, and hence if I use global menu, then I've got that gtkmenubar duplicated so I'm forced to disable the use of global menu. My question is if there's some option to "tell" the menuproxy which gtkmenubar it should use?
[11:52] <larsu> lolek: the menu proxy is really meant for legacy apps. You can set the global menu explicitely with gtk_application_set_menubar
[11:53] <larsu> or include a gtk/menus-traditional.ui resource with a "menubar" element that describes your menu
[11:59] <lolek> hi larsu, thank you for the information I'll check what I can use from that
[12:02] <lolek> larsu: what if my menu is changing like for example.. each tab has got different menubar?
[12:08] <larsu> lolek: you can call that function again, or replace parts of the GMenuModel that you pass in
[12:11] <lolek> uhm, ok
[12:50] <pstolowski> mzanetti, hey, how was the sprint?
[14:48] <tsdgeos> dandrader: do you kwow what defines MirTouchInputEvent ? is it mir itself or something else?
[14:51] <dandrader> tsdgeos, I think it's mir, although grep cound't find it there :/
[14:52] <tsdgeos> i think they renamed it
[14:52] <ltinkl> tsdgeos: http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/group__mir__toolkit.html#ga285e4165eda60a851a2d0c4c232be036
[14:52] <tsdgeos> see #ubuntu-mir
[14:52] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: i can google too ;)
[14:53] <tsdgeos> thing is grep disagrees with the webpage
[14:53] <tsdgeos> but thanks :)
[14:53] <ltinkl> always happy to point the obvious :p
[15:58] <pstolowski> mzanetti, hey, any news about landing of review-edit widget?
[20:03] <kgunn> mterry: is there a snappy channel on freenode ?
[20:03] <mterry> kgunn, yup
[20:03] <mterry> #snappy
[20:03] <mterry> And #snappy-internal on our server
[20:04] <kgunn> ta


[00:32] <lanc3r> hey
[00:32] <lanc3r> helo?
[00:32] <bazhang> hi
[00:33] <lanc3r> seems pretty dead in here.
[00:36] <juacom99> hi, i got a question. Microdia PC Camera, and when i use cheese, image looks ok
[00:37] <juacom99> but when i use skype or google hangoust i get a really bad definition, plus a extrange red shadow. i use gspca_sonixj mod for my cam
[00:40] <rainbow33> my room mate has an acer laptop with intel gma 4500m. the backlight will not kick on after boot with anything past kubuntu 10.10. the bleeding edge drivers and beta 12.04 is the same. no backlight after the grub selection. the backlight turns on in recovery mode but the resolution is very poor. how do i file a bug report for this?
[00:48] <Alex-Zion> rainbow33:  do you have the same problem with a live system ?
[00:49] <rainbow33> Alex-Zion: no the live system installed well until the reboot at the end.
[00:50] <Alex-Zion> did you use any special options on the live system to boot !?! like acpi or similar .... ?
[00:51] <rainbow33> sorry my mistake, i did have to use the f6 key and use the nomodset option.
[00:51] <rainbow33> Alex-Zion:  i did have to use the f6 key and use the nomodset option.
[00:52] <Alex-Zion> that's the problem ... , you have to change something on the kernel option I guess, but I'm not an expert of it ..., forgive me ..
[00:56] <rainbow33> Alex-Zion: we did a "sudo setpci -s 00:02.0 F4.B=00" command but that is just a stop gap. if the screen saver, or power saver kicks in the screen goes blank and it wont kick back on.
[00:57] <rainbow33> Alex-Zion: all i can do is set the power button to automatically reboot and go from there.
[01:00] <Alex-Zion> I think to fix it , you should find a way to change the kernel option so it will be ok once reboot ....
[01:00] <Alex-Zion> try to google it on how to change kernel parameter ..
[01:01] <Alex-Zion> start here for example ... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[01:02] <Alex-Zion> probably is just a different parameter to pass to the GRUB ....
[01:03] <anoma> salut a tous
[01:04] <ybit2> lanc3r: it's not dead, i was just in class and i'm sure others are working :)
[01:04] <Alex-Zion> salut anoma
[01:04] <ybit2> it's alive! i tell you..
[01:05] <jalcine> Very alive.
[01:07] <ybit2> that's the great thing about this channel, everyone RTFMs before asking, so there's not much to talk about ;)
[01:07] <ybit2> RTFM*
[01:10] <jalcine> ybit2: so true, and largely because the manual's well-integrated into K apps as well.
[01:10] <jalcine> just click and poof! KHelpCenter to the rescue.
[01:10] <BarkingFish> when the documentation is there, jalcine, that's fine :)
[01:11] <BarkingFish> when you go there and it says "Documentation not found", you're screwed :P
[01:11] <ybit2> kde all the help you need, no paper clip getting in your way
[01:13] <jalcine> BarkingFish: lol, true, that's when I turn to Google, typically points me to either a Userbase.
[01:14] <ybit2> usually google returns search results like "look deep within yourself and think about this problem" (because we aren't quite sure about your query)
[01:14] <BarkingFish> it doesn't help with the fact that even if you know how to use something, and could write the documentation if you wanted to, it's not the easiest structure to work with when you write.
[01:15] <BarkingFish> I tried it ages ago, with an old KDE prog called Ksubtitle - the documentation was correct, but it came out looking like it had been written by a blind asthmatic 3 legged donkey on crack
[01:15] <BarkingFish> :)
[01:15] <ybit2> was this donkey's eeyore's son?
[01:16] <ybit2> s/donkey's/donkey
[01:16] <ybit2> kubuntu needs that as a mascot
[01:16] <ybit2> welcome chalced
[01:16] <BarkingFish> i think what we should do is have a new mascot to go with each kubuntu release
[01:17] <ybit2> i came up with a mascot for haskell and it was rejected! :P
[01:17] <BarkingFish> Maybe have an art comp or something to design a mascot themed on the release name
[01:17] <ybit2> 7/10 yays on the mailing list but when it went to the polls, it was rejected by about a 40/41 vote
[01:18] <ybit2> *so* close
[01:18] <Roey> Marlene the mealworm
[01:18] <ybit2> i think we should present konqi in different roles per release
[01:18] <ybit2> konqi the krackhead
[01:18] <ybit2> konqi the krud dealer
[01:18] <BarkingFish> well i'm pretty sure there's pictures of all the release animals on google, someone could toon something up
[01:20] <ybit2> hola rdponticelli, de esta en argentina estas?
[01:20] <muji> can someone help me with my sound problem? it seems that the volume is too low,
[01:20] <ybit2> rdponticelli: #kde-ar
[01:21] <ybit2> muji: have you played with alsamixer?
[01:21] <BarkingFish> muji - silly question, do you have a volume icon on your system tray?
[01:21] <muji> couldn't find it
[01:21] <jalcine> Lol konqi the krackhead
[01:21] <muji> lol yea it is barkingfish, and its up to max
[01:21] <jalcine> oh man, lol.
[01:22] <lanc3r> can anyone help me with a metasploit problem?
[01:22] <BarkingFish> maybe it is, muji - have you checked all the available channels and set the right one as the master?
[01:22] <muji> well i can hear the sound, but jsut bearly
[01:22] <BarkingFish> ok, click the icon and then click the mixer button, muji
[01:23] <muji> mk im there
[01:23] <BarkingFish> how many channels do you see?
[01:23] <muji> on playback 2
[01:23] <BarkingFish> right - do you know if you're using Pulseaudio, muji?
[01:24] <muji> no, its kmix
[01:25] <BarkingFish> muji, pulseaudio is the sound system, not the mixer :)
[01:25] <muji> well it seems that i have a playback stream and device, on stream i have alsa
[01:25] <BarkingFish> so you only have 2 channels?
[01:26] <BarkingFish> You should have a lot more, it sounds to me like you're using pulseaudio for your sound system
[01:26] <muji> on streams, i have event sounds, and alsa plugin, on devices, i have gf108 definaiton audio controller digital stero, and internal audio analog stero
[01:27] <BarkingFish> yeah, you're using Pulseaudio if you have alsa plugins
[01:27] <BarkingFish> It'd be better to take you to alsa only, it's a lot easier to configure :)
[01:27] <muji> so just apt-get install alsa?
[01:27] <BarkingFish> not just yet :)
[01:27] <muji> mmk just waiting for the go ahead lol
[01:28] <muji> it was working fine the other day
[01:28] <BarkingFish> First, can you open a terminal please, and type: killall pulseaudio
[01:28] <BarkingFish> sorry, sudo killall pulseaudio
[01:28] <BarkingFish> i keep forgetting i run with proper root access here, which I'm not allowed to teach others.
[01:29] <BarkingFish> Have you done that, muji?
[01:29] <muji> yea doing it now, its being gay, i ahve a 2 monitor setup lol
[01:29] <BarkingFish> ok
[01:30] <muji> kk its done
[01:30] <BarkingFish> when you've killed it, I'd like you to do this:  sudo rm -rf /home/<yourdirectory>/.pulse*
[01:30] <muji> okay doing it now
[01:31] <Roey> hey
[01:31] <Roey> er
[01:31] <Roey> my ship is not moving
[01:31] <Roey> make my ship go?
[01:32] <Roey> I tried to apt-get update to the latest koffice.
[01:32] <Roey> ended up removing kipi-plugins and kcdraw20
[01:32] <Roey> or something like that
[01:32] <Roey> I tried to apt-get install similar sounding libraries
[01:32] <BarkingFish> Roey, the enter key is not punctuation - you can fit more that 40 characters on a line :)
[01:32] <Roey> sure, ok :)  But anyway, are there dependency issues with the latest few packges?
[01:33] <muji> kk got that done
[01:33] <BarkingFish> Ok muji, now - sudo apt-get install alsa-base
[01:34] <BarkingFish> you will also need to do the same with: sudo apt-get install alsa-utils too, so that you have the right stuff to make your card work properly
[01:34] <muji> its saying that its already the newest version
[01:34] <BarkingFish> excellent, don't go any further then, muji.  If you look now, you should see kmix has gone
[01:34] <muji> for both of them
[01:35] <gab_> REGISTER <password> <email-address>
[01:35] <muji> nope, its not gone
[01:35] <BarkingFish> ok, quit out of it
[01:35] <lanc3r> hi i have a metasploit problem can any of you guys help?
[01:36] <muji> kk
[01:36] <BarkingFish> muji, when you've gotten rid of it, press ALT & F2 to start krunner, then type  kmix
[01:37] <lanc3r> hmm,
[01:37] <lanc3r> guess not.
[01:37] <BarkingFish> lanc3r, if you wait around, someone will come help you - this is my last job of the night, then I'm off to bed. There's always people here, if you're patient :)
[01:38] <BarkingFish> it's almost 2.40am here in the UK
[01:38] <muji> kk did that
[01:38] <BarkingFish> so you have the kmix icon back?
[01:39] <BarkingFish> click it, and then click mixer, and you should now see quite a few more channels than you had before.
[01:39] <muji> yes i got master, pcm and micboost
[01:40] <BarkingFish> ok, click settings, then configure channels
[01:40] <muji> kk
[01:40] <BarkingFish> look in the left hand box, do you see a lot of different channels in there?
[01:40] <muji> yea
[01:41] <muji> speaker, beep, capture, auto-mute mode, digital, internal mic boost
[01:41] <BarkingFish> ok, the ones you should ideally add are internal mic boost, capture and auto-mute mode
[01:42] <BarkingFish> but now, tell me this - on the playback icons (master, pcm) - are they both raised to absolute maximum?
[01:42] <muji> yes
[01:43] <BarkingFish> how are you getting your sound? Inbuilt speakers or external ones?
[01:43] <muji> headphones connected via 3.5mm jack i think
[01:43] <muji> was working the other night
[01:43] <BarkingFish> can you check for me that you have them in the right socket?
[01:44] <muji> yea it is
[01:44] <BarkingFish> I know I may sound like I'm stating the obvious, but some of these are frequent cockups by people :)
[01:44] <muji> lol yea i understand
[01:44] <BarkingFish> Do your headphones have an inline volume control?
[01:44] <muji> yea
[01:44] <muji> thats also up to max
[01:45] <BarkingFish> are you on a laptop?
[01:45] <muji> yes sir
[01:45] <BarkingFish> right, next one then - can you look at the FN keys on your laptop and tell me if any of them are a volume control?
[01:46] <muji> yea there is, and that is also up to max
[01:46] <BarkingFish> so your onboard volume is maxed, your inbuilt volume channels are maxed, the headphones are maxed, and you're getting practically nothing, right?
[01:46] <muji> i'm getting someting
[01:46] <muji> but jsut bearly
[01:46] <muji> or i was
[01:47] <muji> but im going to try to restart laptop, that usually always works
[01:47] <BarkingFish> One more thing then, and that will bring me to stumped - can you unplug the headphones please, and tell me if you can hear anything through your laptop's internal speakers
[01:47] <muji> none, nada
[01:47] <muji> nothing
[01:47] <muji> zippo
[01:47] <muji> zero
[01:48] <BarkingFish> ok, do a reboot then, and I'll see you in a few moments :)
[01:48] <muji> lol alright
[01:48] <rdponticelli> ybit2: Thank you
[01:48] <muji> right after this nvidia driver installs
[01:48] <BarkingFish> it may need things reloading from the removal of pulseaudio
[01:48] <muji> and thanks
[01:48] <rdponticelli> There I go
[01:51] <rainbow33> can anyone help with implementing workarounds for an acer with intel gma 4500m so the backlight and brightness controls will work--and also where/how to report this bug?
[02:04] <BarkingFish> Night all, bedtime for me. 3am :P
[02:04] <BarkingFish> see ya
[02:12] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[02:16] <ybit2> hi stanley_robertso
[02:29] <stanley_robertso> hi ybit2
[02:29] <stanley_robertso> wassup
[02:45] <MrUnagi> How can I mod probe nbd at boot?
[03:01] <ybit2> stanley_robertso: just leaving
[03:01] <ybit2> i'm attempting to exercise, this will be interesting
[03:02] <ybit2> MrUnagi: /etc/modprobe.d/ or /etc/rc.local
[03:02] <ybit2> one of those
[03:02] <ybit2> i'm sure there's a relevant search query but i'm off to exercise
[03:02] <MrUnagi> Even if it requires sudo
[04:47] <toff> can anyone help with implementing workarounds for an acer with intel gma 4500m so the backlight and brightness controls will work?
[04:56] <em> is kubuntu currently on 11.10 ?
[04:57] <chachan> em: indeed
[04:57] <em> thanks
[05:01] <ybit2> rainbow33: did you see this: http://davemackintosh.co.uk/2011/12/intel-gma4500-ubuntu-backlight-fix/
[05:02] <rainbow33> ybit2: thanx, i am urling it now
[05:02] <ybit2> great, gl
[05:03] <ybit2> rainbow33: i noticed your ip is located in CO, feel free to join in the fun @ #kde-usa :)
[05:04] <rainbow33> ybit: thanx. all this is new to me. i will check out the channel.
[05:06] <rainbow33> bbiab
[05:27] <rainbow33> ybit: thank you for looking. that is the current workaround that my roommate is using. unfortunately, the brightness and dim controls are important, and setting it sticks the brightness at one level. plus when the monitor goes to sleep, it wont wake back up. the only solution is to then reboot the computer using the power button.
[05:29] <ybit> rainbow33: one workaround might be to close your laptop lid
[05:29] <ybit> and reopen
[05:30] <ybit> do it serveral times
[05:30] <ybit> i know that's a hack, but it has helped me in the past
[05:30] <ybit> i'm not sure what's causing that bug though...
[05:31] <ybit> Daskreech, suggestions for where to file this bug?
[05:31] <ybit> welcome _V_
[05:32] <rainbow33> ybit: something in the newer kernels, from what my roommate was saying. one of the distros he is looking at builds the kernel and has instructions for the gma 4500m so that it works. but he isnt very good at those kind of things, and i think it would end up frustrating him even more.
[05:33] <_V_> ybit: Uhh ... thanks I guess
[05:34] <rainbow33> ybit: i have closed and opened the lid several times. it just sits there.
[05:35] <rainbow33> ybit: nvrmnd, it just was locked.
[05:35] <ybit> ah :)
[05:36] <ybit> great!
[05:37] <rainbow33> ybit: it is still stuck in one brightness setting, and if the power saver kicks in, i have to do a blind reboot.
[05:37] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: Problem solved?
[05:38] <ybit> GirlyGirl: nope, back to the original problem
[05:39] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: no, unfortunately. the only workarounds freezes the brightness, and it still goes permanently black if the power saver kicks in.
[05:39] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: Did you test 12.04?
[05:39] <ybit> rainbow33: systemsettings -> power management is how you can prevent the power saver from kicking in while you are working on it
[05:40] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: yes, added the cutting edge driver ppa and the 12.04 and the same problem. kubuntu 10.04 lts works fine, though.
[05:41] <GirlyGirl> File a bug report on launchpad then
[05:41] <ybit> rainbow33: can you not adjust the brightness settings from systemsettings -> power management -> energy saving settings?
[05:41] <GirlyGirl> What is the graphic card again?
[05:42] <rainbow33> no. the dispay brightness settings are active but do not respond.
[05:42] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: no. the dispay brightness settings are active but do not respond.
[05:42] <ybit> i see
[05:43] <ybit> dmesg | grep -i agp for your graphics card
[05:49] <rainbow33> no agp bridge found (2x), Linux agggart interface v0.103, agpgart-intel 0000:00:0.0: INtel GM45 Chipset,  agpgart-intel 0000:00:0.0: detected gtt size: 2097152K total, 262144K mappable, agpgart-intell same zeros, detected 65536K stalen memory, next line same zeros, AGP aperture is 256 @ 0xc)))))))
[05:49] <rainbow33> aperture is 256 @ 0x000000
[05:50] <ybit> rainbow33: seems like your issue is an old bug...
[05:50] <ybit> ah, nm, slightly different bugg
[05:51] <ybit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/446717
[05:51] <ybit> rainbow33: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/446717/comments/61
[05:51] <ybit> clicky ^
[05:52] <GirlyGirl> Strange thing I know someone with the same graphic card and that works fine. Sounds like an ACPI problem
[05:52] <ybit> sudo setpci -s 00:02.0 F4.B=XX work for you?
[05:52] <ybit> where xx is the brightness percentage
[05:57] <rainbow33> ybit: the sudo setpci command locks the screen into one brightness setting. neither cntrl +brightness nor fn+ brightness respond, (but it doesnt lock the system.). When the power savings dim, the screen goes blank. The screen lights for the grub menu, and then goes blank until the script kicks in.. The recovery option works but has the wrong ratio and resolution so everything looks odd.
[05:59] <rainbow33> ybit: also, kubuntu 10.04 lts works fine.
[06:01] <rainbow33> ybit: i am sorry, i have to leave for about an hour. i will be back as soon as possible.
[06:02] <ybit> np
[06:02] <ybit> i missed the aboe
[06:02] <ybit> was in a few channels over
[06:02]  * ybit expands terminal across two monitors
[06:23] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: The resolution is correct now?
[06:54] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: back. hello. yes the resolution is correct.
[06:56] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: do you have acpi_backlight in boot options?
[07:05] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: no, i just have the set pci command in the boot up file.
[07:06] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: i do not know exactly where to put it. in the same place?
[07:08] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: 10.04 lts runs fine. is it possible to use the 4.6 kernel with the 12.04?
[07:57] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: the acpi_backlight in the rc.local file didnt work.
[07:58] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: thank you for your help. i am going to get some sleep. i will be back on tomorrow. have a good night.
[07:59] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: It should not be in the rc.local file but in grub
[08:00] <rainbow33> sorry i saw what you typed just as i hit the disconnect
[08:02] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: acpi_backlight in the grub file doesnt do anything either, but i did discover if i hold the fn+brightness down one click it will stay at that brightness for the whole bootup. i still cant change the brightness and the powersaver kills the backlight until the power button reboot.
[08:48] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: with tapping the fn+brightness key down a notch the backlight works and even comes out of sleep ok. there is just no control over the resolution.
[08:49] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: thank you again. it will be hard for him to remember to tap on boot, but it is better than it was. i am heading to bed. have a good night.
[10:57] <m4v> I can't see any email today in Kmail, I get a message like "NO PartHelperException: failed to update database record", anyone saw something similar? restarting the akonadi server doesn't fix it.
[11:13] <sil2100> Hi! Does anyone of you know, by any chance, how to make kde4-window-decorator working with compiz on regular Ubuntu? ;)
[11:14] <sil2100> Probably not the channel for it, but since it's KDE-oriented, wanted to give it a try
[11:20] <mydogsnameisrudy> Unknown error. (Unable to fetch item from backend)   this just started on boot, ;( just got everything the way i like it too..
[11:33] <Peace-> sil2100: compiz?
[11:33] <Peace-> sil2100: why compiz?
[11:34] <sil2100> Peace-: I'm testing something, and I need the kwd working on compiz
[11:34] <sil2100> I presume kwd is a bit dead now though...
[11:35] <sil2100> But I got it working now
[11:35] <Peace-> sil2100: what are you trying to do ?
[11:35] <sil2100> I had to install kde-window-manager to get the default plugin (theme)
[11:35] <Peace-> kubuntu uses kwin
[11:35] <sil2100> Peace-: I'm working on a fglrx issue in compiz
[11:36] <Peace-> compiz is near to dead
[11:36] <Peace-> ..
[11:36] <Peace-> *to die
[11:54] <Daskreech> ybit: Hi For that bug I would file against KDE. It does sound like something that would be a cross between the kernel drivers and the DE so it may be a distro packaging problem but it may help KDE to have more xplicit packaging scripts
[11:54] <Daskreech> ybit: If worst comes to it they will bounce it to launchpad
[11:56] <Daskreech> ybit: Best that happens is it escalates to the kernel and they get kick ass drivers with cool APIs that interface with your retina and ambient light meters to optimze the brightness
[12:05] <Daskreech> sil2100: Hmm?
[12:05] <Daskreech> sil2100: WHy don't you use compiz's window decorator ?
[12:13] <mydogsnameisrudy> Unknown error. (Unable to fetch item from backend)   this started today on my bootup any ideas to figure it out?
[12:30] <sil2100> Daskreech: I am, but I wanted to do a test if the bug I'm investigating also happens with kwd - since kwd does drawing into Pixmaps a bit differently
[12:31] <Daskreech> sil2100: Ah then you may want to ask in #kwin that would be a better insight into the code differences in any case
[12:33] <sil2100> Daskreech: thanks!
[13:22] <manuel__> neuseelnder
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:20] <liudas> hello
[15:05] <BluesKaj> I'll repeat this here , due to no reponse , earlier in devel .I'm having problems with an /etc/init.d/rc.d  startup script ... it's not starting the service , altho I followed the readme instructions for invoking the script at startup. kubunutu 12.04 beta
[15:28] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Since we are both here too I can try to help in this channel... the -server guys have their hands full just before the next releasze is due
[15:28] <genii-around> *release
[15:28] <BluesKaj> ok , genii-around thanks
[15:28] <BluesKaj> genii-around, it's the no-ip dns app which tracks the dynamic IP automatically ...no error message , but it tries to start kate and fails , then freezes the desktop
[15:29] <BluesKaj> methinks the script is probly flawed , because if i start the service from the cli , it works ok
[15:32] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Can you pastebin the script?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> genii-around, http://paste.ubuntu.com/928087/
[15:35] <genii-around> OK
[15:38] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Did you compile it from source or something? I'm noticing the /usr/local/bin path
[15:38] <BluesKaj> yup , had to compile
[15:38] <genii-around> Weird that it wants to start up Kate
[15:39] <BluesKaj> is there a simpler way to just auto run the app start command , without needing the script ?
[15:48] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I noticed there was no 12.04 version of the noip package. So I downloaded manually the 11.10 deb and installed, works OK here
[15:48] <BluesKaj> genii-around, the app says "Using configuration from /usr/local/etc/no-ip2.conf" , but /usr/local/etc/no-ip2.conf is blank
[15:48] <genii-around> Apologies on lag, everyone seems to want me for something at work
[15:49] <BluesKaj> weird for sure, because I DL'd the app from no-ip's site , assuming it was up to date
[15:49] <genii-around> BluesKaj: The regular package is using /var/lib/noip2/noip2.conf
[15:50] <BluesKaj> pk , I'll remove the outdated package and use the newer one
[15:50] <BluesKaj> thanks for your time and advice genii-around
[15:55] <genii-around> Need reboot, back in a bit
[16:24] <GirlyGirl> Is it possible to completely disable quassel's logs? I don't want to save the IRC logs on my PC
[16:27] <BlouBlou> GirlyGirl: That's the main Quassel's feature
[16:28] <GirlyGirl> In konversation, I can disable it
[16:47] <ct529> hi everybody
[16:47] <ct529> is anyone using kde 4.8.2 on 11.00 64 bit?
[16:47] <ct529> hi everybody
[16:47] <ct529> is anyone using kde 4.8.2 on 11.00 64 bit?
[16:48] <BluesKaj> 11.04 or 11.10
[16:49] <ct529> BluesKaj: hi! 11.10 at 64 bit .... sorry, it is Friday
[16:50] <ct529> BluesKaj: I have part solved the problems I had with nvidia driver, following your suggestions the other day ... but also reinstalling the OS
[16:51] <BluesKaj> ct529, your nvidia card is quite new , right ? Hence the trouble with finding the right driver
[16:52] <ct529> BluesKaj: no, it is a QUADRO FX 1600 M .... not very new. It was a problem with blacklisting of the driver.
[16:52] <ct529> BluesKaj: I reinstalled the OS, nvidia-current is now blacklisted, but nvidia aliases to it, and the kernel loads nvidia
[16:53] <ct529> BluesKaj: weird choice, and not completely functional, I have to say .... I often have very high CPU consumption from Xorg, and firefox freezes for seconds (but not Chrome)
[16:53] <BluesKaj> why black list nvidia-current ?, it's probly the default recommended driver
[16:54] <ct529> BluesKaj: that is what happens when you install nvidia-current .... could you please check whther it is the same for you? Can you go to /etc/modprobe.f/ and grep -ir 'nvidia' *?
[16:55] <ct529> BluesKaj: In my case, nvidia-current is blacklisted
[16:55] <GirlyGirl> Has anybody explored good qt dictionary and thesaurus applications?
[17:02] <BluesKaj> ct529, try this , apt-cache policy nvidia-current
[17:06] <ct529> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/928211/
[17:06] <ct529> BluesKaj: I have also nvidia-173 and nvidia-common installed .... shall I remove them?
[17:07] <ct529> BluesKaj: I have purged nvidai-173, that is the package which is bringing in the blacklisting
[17:07] <BluesKaj> leave nvidia-common alone
[17:08] <BluesKaj> it's the base app
[17:09] <ct529> BluesKaj: yes, just read about it .... removed nvidia-173 though ....
[17:09] <ct529> BluesKaj: which left behind a small trail of directories
[17:12] <ct529> BluesKaj: Is it better to install nvidia-current from the standard repository, or to install from xswat?
[17:13] <BluesKaj> ct529, where is nvidia-current shown qs blckilisted in your /etc/modprobe.d ?  could you pastebin
[17:13] <ct529> BluesKaj: not anymore, I have removed nvidia-173 that was the origin of the blacklisting.
[17:14] <BluesKaj> never used xswat ,
[17:14] <BluesKaj> i always use the std repos
[17:15] <ct529> BluesKaj: does you apt-cache policy nvidia look like mine?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> ct529, http://paste.ubuntu.com/928222/
[17:17] <ct529> BluesKaj: no, you are on last version .... what repository are you using? Are you using backports?
[17:17] <ct529> BluesKaj: in the standard repository, the version is 280.13
[17:17] <BluesKaj> ct , I'm on 12.04
[17:18] <ct529> BluesKaj: oh .... apologies.
[17:19] <BluesKaj> my nvidia card is pretty old , 7600gt from around '06, not exactly sure
[17:20] <ct529> BluesKaj: last question: is it worth upgrading to kde 482 from backport or better to stay with 474?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> kde 4.8.2 is much more stable , if available for 11.10 , even 4.8.1 , would be a good improvement, ct529
[17:23] <ct529> BluesKaj: they come from backport, you never know what you get .... :)
[17:24] <BluesKaj> ct529, even backported packages are supposed to be stable tho
[17:25] <ct529> BluesKaj: yes .... I sooo want to try calligra
[17:25] <BluesKaj> oh , you.ve been listening to girly :)
[17:26] <ct529> BluesKaj: but it is dragging in all the libraries from kde 4.8.x
[17:26] <ct529> BluesKaj: nope, why? I just got the announcement ....:)
[17:27] <BluesKaj> tried calligra on 12.04 ...forget it ...it's buggy ...might be fine for 11.,10 tho
[17:28] <ct529> BluesKaj: pity, I have been waiting it for ages ....
[17:29] <ct529> BluesKaj: ok, have to go, thanks for everything!
[17:29] <BluesKaj> ok , np
[17:29] <ct529> have a nice evening
[17:35] <_255> Hello guys!
[17:36] <_255> I am trying to boot from kubuntu-11.10-desktop-i386.iso disk and it's not working. Could someone help me figure if this disk works as boot disk by any chance?
[17:39] <Peace-> _255: ?
[17:39] <Peace-> you have burned the cd right'
[17:39] <genii-around> _255: It is supposed to, yes. Assuming also that your system meets the minimum specs
[17:41] <_255> Well, maybe it's something to bios settings, no?
[17:41] <_255> s/to/about
[17:43] <BluesKaj> that damm virtuosos -t is running constantly using up 70% of cpu ...indexing is finished and i haven't made any large changes to my system. There was some kind of fix for it , but can't find anything on launchpad
[17:45] <swecarp> hi Ezim
[17:46] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Yeah looks like some regression https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/578215
[17:47] <_255> I am receiving the message : "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER"
[17:52] <genii-around> _255: You should check first that the CD image is not corrupted, http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download has the MD5 sums there. Then to make sure you burn it correctly. ( some people just copy the iso file to a CD instead of burning it as a disc image instead)
[17:52] <genii-around> !md5sum
[17:56] <GirlyGirl> _255: That's a bios message.Are you sure you set the bios to boot from cd
[18:07] <_255> Man, sorry, I was with the wrong disk trying to boot. :P
[18:07] <_255> But now I got stuck at this screen : http://imagebin.org/207933
[18:08] <_255> Could someone help me figure out what it means please?
[18:12] <GirlyGirl> _255: Is that after booting ubuntu?
[18:12] <_255> yes
[18:13] <_255> GirlyGirl, yes
[18:13] <_255> Using the cd
[18:13] <GirlyGirl> _255: Do you get the livecd boot menu? and the splash screen?
[18:13] <_255> no, it goes directly top this screen
[18:13] <_255> s/top/this
[18:14] <_255> s/top/to
[18:14] <GirlyGirl> _255: I don't think that it booted at all ... this must be some bios function?
[18:14] <GirlyGirl> _255: Does a windows installation disk boot on this pc?
[18:15] <_255> yes
[18:15] <_255> but I am leaving windows
[18:16] <GirlyGirl> _255: Could you try booting the windows setup disk and seeing if it works, then testing the Kubuntu disk?
[18:16] <GirlyGirl> _255: Also note: the next version of Kubuntu releases on the 26th ... might be wiser to install then
[18:16] <_255> Actually I don't have any windows boot disk at hand.
[18:17] <_255> But it was running XP until a few hours ago.
[18:17] <GirlyGirl> _255: Go it the bios and set it to boot from cd?
[18:17] <GirlyGirl> _255: Where did the xp go then?
[18:17] <_255> I just removed one of the HDD
[18:17] <_255> Maybe the primary disk is not set to boot?
[18:18] <_255> I mean the small pieces which stays at the HDD
[18:18] <GirlyGirl> _255: The BIOS needs to be set to boot cd first and second hdd
[18:18] <_255> This computer has a AwardBios bios which sucks!
[18:19] <_255> But I refer to the small plastic pieces which goes behing the HDD.
[18:19] <_255> Maybe it should be positioned for primary boot, no?
[18:20] <GirlyGirl> _255: The jumper?
[18:20] <_255> yes
[18:20] <_255> The jumper
[18:20] <_255> Does it have to be right positioned.
[18:20] <_255> Because I thing the other disk was the boot one.
[18:20] <GirlyGirl> _255: Some computers are jumper free and can be set in BIOS, others need it
[18:21] <GirlyGirl> You need to configure boot in the bios as well
[18:21] <_255> Let me check the jumper
[18:21] <_255> Just a second please.
[18:21] <GirlyGirl> Some bios's allow you to press a key to select boot device e.g esc or F8
[18:33] <oak__> hello!
[18:33] <oak__> i need advice. I want to install BURG bootloader and it is supposed to be installed on the drive which has the mbr
[18:34] <oak__> now what's the terminal command to find out which drive the mbr is stored in?
[18:36] <Peace-> oak__: sudo fdisk -l
[18:36] <genii-around> oak__: The drive which is sda is almost certainly it.
[18:37] <ikonia> oak__: I very very very strongly advise you not to install burg
[18:37] <oak__> thanks you, i found it peace
[18:37] <oak__> why ikonia?
[18:37] <Peace-> oak__: try that stuff carefully
[18:38] <ikonia> oak__: it's a lot of headache to install and maintain and it's not in the ubuntu core repos so you depend on someone extenral to ubuntu maintaining it and fixing it
[18:38] <ikonia> oak__: it's really not worth the effort at all
[18:38]  * Peace- arduino
[18:38] <ikonia> I've watched people try and fail and end up making a real mess of their systems
[18:38] <oak__> well, mine is almost a fresh install so i don't think i have much to lose
[18:38] <Peace-> oak__: ok :)
[18:39] <oak__> if anything is messed up i'll just reinsdtall
[18:39] <ikonia> oak__: it's totally up to you, just keep in mind burg is not provided by ubuntu
[18:39] <oak__> ok
[18:39] <ikonia> oak__: so things like kernel updates that hook into grub, may / may not work
[19:43] <natman> anyone recomend a good Desktop for my EEEpc 901 ( intel atom 1.6ghz, 1 gb ram ) have tried Lubuntu and Xubuntu dont really like either
[19:43] <natman> am very used to Kubuntu, not sure if it will handle the 12.04
[19:47] <chrissy> :OO
[19:50] <Sentynel> this is a bit of an odd question, but flash videos on youtube have gone blue for me. it happens in both firefox and chromium, only happens on youtube, and doesn't happen with youtube html5 videos. here's a screen grab http://i.imgur.com/2vMXJ.png anyone have any ideas?
[19:51] <mcamaret> is there any web interface for kjots? if not i'm going back to tomboy/snowy
[19:58] <amorphous> Hey guys, I'm running precise and
[19:59] <amorphous> I have an error when I'm trying to delete an email from kmail
[19:59] <amorphous> "Moving messages to thrash failed"
[19:59] <amorphous> only shift+del works
[20:01] <polix> hi there :)
[20:04] <polix> are here German Kubuntu-User?
[20:08] <asfyxia> polix: most probably, but we all speak english in this channel ;-)
[20:11] <lanc3r> hi, can someone help me with a metasploit problem?
[20:27] <simonelimonta> Hi
[20:28] <simonelimonta> I need to know what is a shell of root and user. Could someone help me?
[20:29] <Xabster> Do you know what a shell is?
[20:32] <simonelimonta> What I know is that it is a kind of conection between the user and kernel
[20:33] <Riddell> simonelimonta: it's a command line
[20:33] <Riddell> kmenu -> konsole  gives you a command line
[20:33] <Riddell> which take a while to learn and is pleasingly geeky
[20:34] <simonelimonta> ok
[20:34] <Riddell> sudo commands run as root which can do anything, normal users can only alter their home folders
[20:34] <JJeronimo> sudo su -> gives you a shell with root rights, make sure what you are doing there :)
[20:34] <maco> it's like Simon Says for the computer
[20:34] <simonelimonta> thanks
[20:35] <simonelimonta> I'll be back in some minutes
[20:53] <simonelimonta> Hi, I'm trying to install a program, but I'm lost because is my first time
[20:55] <simonelimonta> before download the pogram they ask to install a Tcl/Tk
 push the down left one and search for "muon"
[20:56] <toumbo> the down left one button
[20:57] <simonelimonta> I did a downloaf the program: active perl, Is it right?
[20:57] <toumbo> I don't know
[20:57] <toumbo> :(
[20:58] <simonelimonta> ok, thanks, but I think it's good
[21:02] <toumbo>  May anyone can check my KDM.log file becauce I  did stupidity? http://pastebin.ubuntu-gr.org/m603fe1d2
[21:05] <simonelimonta> I started use kubuntu a few months
[21:06] <simonelimonta> so I'm learning the inicial things. Does anyone know a site that I can read about how to use it?
[21:09] <avihay_> toumbo: looks like you could reinstall your nvidia driver and dbus
[21:24] <mcamaret> is there any web interface for kjots or a script to convert it's files to tomboy format?
[21:37] <hanasaki> is there a kde client that will work with sipgate and make /receive voip calls?


[05:50] <acheronuk> cjwatson: an example of the VERY delayed emails I'm getting from LP/canonical http://paste.ubuntu.com/24839351/
[05:50] <acheronuk> sent on 9th June, not received by google server from seviper.canonical.com by google until 11th June
[05:51] <acheronuk> that was my copy of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/artful-changes/2017-June/002228.html
[08:27] <cjwatson> acheronuk: OK - maybe ask<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to look into it
[08:27] <cjwatson> (since that's a sysadmin thing, outside the control of LP folks)
[08:31] <acheronuk> cjwatson: same with for emails from ppa uploads? seems to be a similar route
[08:31] <acheronuk> I'll email them later
[08:33] <mitya57> I was getting delayed emails from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>too.
[08:33] <cjwatson> acheronuk: Same
[08:33] <acheronuk> cjwatson: understood. thanks for looking
[08:34] <cjwatson> acheronuk: Those will start with haetae rather than pepo, but should otherwise be similar
[08:34] <acheronuk> started middle of last week maybe
[12:31] <coreycb> we're getting all kinds of spam bugs opened by https://launchpad.net/~hgd4.  is there process for dealing with that?
[12:51] <cjwatson> coreycb: In general, open a ticket on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad.  In this case, I've dealt with it.
[12:52] <cjwatson> coreycb: Please don't close them yourself next time; just report it to us and we'll deal with it.
[12:52] <coreycb> cjwatson: ok, thanks


[00:48] <Sachiru> Query: Does anyone know of a way to convert an existing 14.04 Lubuntu/Ubuntu installation so that it resides on an LVM volume instead of directly on the disk?
[01:09] <holstein> Sachiru: i would want a clone backup, regardless.. so, i would make that clone, from which i can easily restore to any location, and go from there
[01:09] <Sachiru> So... Best solution would still be to DD?
[01:09] <Sachiru> The disk?
[01:11] <holstein> Sachiru: well, what im saying is, even  if i saw a "easily convert to lvm" tool, i would want a backup.. i would want a backup since *all* drives fail.. that backup, in this case, can be a clone.. i would use clonezilla, personally.. though, that tool is using dd and other tools on the backend..
[01:47] <JBudz> terrorist situation in sydney
[01:48] <JBudz> not that its ubuntu related or anything..
[01:48] <holstein> !ot
[01:48] <holstein> there is also #lubuntu-offtopic for discussion
[02:50] <sgo11> hi, I want to disable hplip-systray.desktop which is in /etc/xdg/autostart. What I do is to create ~/.config/autostart/hplip-systray.desktop and then add 'Hidden=true' to the end of the file. but it doesn't work. any ideas? thanks.
[02:51] <holstein> Sachiru: i would just remove it from the startup
[02:52] <sgo11> holstein, talked to me ?
[02:53] <holstein> Sachiru: sorry..
[02:53] <holstein> sgo11: yup ^
[02:53] <sgo11> holstein, but everytime, the package gets updated, that file will be recreated. people suggest override it in ~/.config/autostart/
[02:54] <holstein> how often is it updated?
[02:55] <sgo11> holstein, not often, but just want to find a perfect solution. why not "hidden=true" work?
[02:55] <holstein> sgo11: i have no idea..
[02:55] <holstein> !bug
[02:55] <sgo11> holstein, ok. cool. :)
[02:55] <holstein> if you feel it is.. but, i wouldnt disable the startup, i wuold just remove it from startup
[02:55] <sgo11> holstein, ok. cheers.
[02:55] <holstein> sgo11: you can ask in #ubuntu since its not related to lubuntu or lxde
[02:56] <holstein> sgo11: good luck.. i know little fiddly things like that can be frustrating
[02:56] <sgo11> holstein, I asked there, nobody replied. I think it's related to lxde. because it's lxde starts that app.
[02:56] <holstein> sgo11: its not
[02:56] <holstein> sgo11: though, you can also try the lubuntu and lxde email lists
[02:57] <sgo11> holstein, why is not lxde? who starts the app then? if .desktop contains for example OnlyShowIn=LXQt;, lxde will not start that app.
[02:58] <holstein> sgo11: ok.. so it is then
[02:58] <sgo11> holstein, ok. :)
[02:58] <holstein> sgo11: you still wont likely get *any* assistance from this channel, regardless
[02:59] <holstein> sgo11: agree or disagree, you would do better with whomever makes that package
[02:59] <sgo11> holstein, ok.
[02:59] <holstein> sgo11: my only point is, that is not lubuntu.. its just pulled in, and doesnt ship with lubuntu.. and its a small team here
[02:59] <holstein> lxde, upstream, *might* be more informative
[02:59] <sgo11> holstein, i may try to ask there. thanks.
[03:00] <holstein> sgo11: good luck.. and also, the bug report is a nice first step
[03:00] <holstein> sgo11: id be glad to personally try and reproduce the issue
[03:01] <sgo11> holstein, I opened many bugs before. none of them are fixed until now. I don't bother open any bugs.
[03:04] <holstein> sgo11: im sure you can understand why they are not..
[03:06] <sgo11> holstein, why?
[03:06] <sgo11> to me, they are all show stopper bugs.
[03:07] <sgo11> and ubuntu surprisingly release it with LTS version.
[03:07] <holstein> sgo11: like this issue.. its HP's package, repackaged in the ubuntu repos.. and, the issue is in lxde, only used by lubuntu which has a small team,a nd that package doesnt ship with it..
[03:07] <holstein> sgo11: you stated its not an issue in unity..
[03:07] <sgo11> this bug is not very important. but others that I opened are not.
[03:08] <sgo11> there were intel driver bugs etc... anyway.
[03:08] <holstein> sure.. and intel is *always* welcome to address them
[03:08] <holstein> i mean, theres nothing lubuntu/ubuntu or linux is doing that prevents that
[03:08] <sgo11> ^_^ ok.
[03:08] <holstein> its challenging to try and support such a broad spectrum of hardware
[03:09] <holstein> the other main OS's dont support hardware like that
[03:09] <sgo11> ok.
[03:09] <holstein> just imagine the "bugs" you would have if you grabbed an osx installation disc (if they still made them).. you'd be lucky if the OS booted in any way
[03:09] <holstein> and we wouldnt refer to that as a bug, or an issue with apple
[03:10] <holstein> its just a matter of the hardware being compatible.. and, nothing about linux prevents any hardware creators from supporting it
[03:11] <sgo11> ok. but I still get problems in ubuntu. anyway. I know what you mean. but as a user, I don't really care about the detail. I just want to have a working OS. whatever.
[03:12] <holstein> sure. and if you were to purchase a machine from someone like system76 who *promise* and guarantee linux will work on the machine, all it will do is work, or, they make it work
[03:12] <holstein> here, you have what you have, and you *were* promised something, but, not linux support.. and lubuntu is a small team that takes the ubuntu repos, and releases a custom OS that is light..
[03:12] <sgo11> i don't know system76. if there is a linux OS which promises bug free, I will definitely buy it.
[03:13] <holstein> sgo11: no, friend.. that is linux *hardware* the promises linux support
[03:13] <holstein> no software is "bug-free".. the issue is, if you need support, getting it
[03:13] <sgo11> holstein, ok, got it. :)
[03:14] <holstein> to expect to take a machine that you were promised windows support for, for example.. a team of experts were hired to faciliate that windows support for that machine.. and its not "bug-free". but, its supported. if you have an issue, it can likely be addressed (though, not always)
[03:15] <holstein> to take that machine and expect linux to just work on it is really to miss where the burden is.. linux is completely open, and available for free to anyone to take and provide support for
[03:15] <holstein> that doesnt make it any "better".. just different.. easier to support in that way..
[03:16] <sgo11> holstein, ok, ok. understood. I just don't bother open a bug for this. unlikely, some people will take care of it from my experience. anyway. I understood what you mean. thanks. :)
[03:16] <holstein> sgo11: sure. and let me know if you change your mind,and need me to confirm its happening here, which is one reason why bugs dont get attention
[03:17] <holstein> if you dont get them marked as "confirmed" where, the issue happens the same for someone else..
[03:17] <sgo11> holstein, ok. thanks.
[06:08] <remymartin9> I really really like lubuntu
[06:25] <hateball> :)
[14:45] <ej> sry
[14:45] <ej> anybody use a vpn on there home network?
[14:46] <teward> ej: I do, but it's through my firewall appliance
[14:46] <teward> heh he left right after i said something lol
[14:46] <teward> ej: welcome back :)
[14:46] <ej> your firewill appliance?
[14:47] <ej> bare with me im fresh at this.
[14:47] <teward> ej: i have a very expensive firewall device on my network - a pfSense firewall appliance at the border of my network, providing PPTP, L2TP, and IPSec VPN access for me.  But that's atypical, I run my home network like an enterprise-grade buisness network
[14:48] <ej> ohh i c.
[14:48] <teward> ej: i have a question for you, you asked if anyone uses a VPN on their home network - do you have a specific question about that?
[14:48] <teward> (because if I can answer it I will try to.)
[14:48] <ej> well.. im just trying to setup spme security for home
[14:49] <ej> i dont conect to work or other
[14:49] <teward> ej: ahhhh, I see.  unless you're off-site from your home and want to (securely) connect to your home network and access your things there, you likely won't need a VPN
[14:49] <ej> ok... cool..
[14:49] <ej> what do you recomend for firewall
[14:49] <teward> me, I need it because of work and classes - I do a lot of work from home and sometimes need to access that work off-site.  (Or in other cases, mask that i'm working in one location, and make my traffic look like it originates from my home)
[14:50] <ej> ahh.. ok i totally understand what a vpn is for.
[14:50] <teward> ej: on the computer endpoints themselves (i.e. the desktops, laptops, etc.), ufw with general inbound deny rules (except for the services and ports you need to access on that system from other systems)
[14:51] <teward> ej: but note you're in an #lubuntu channel - if you have lubuntu specific questions feel free to ask, otherwise i would be happy to discuss general topics elsewhere
[14:51] <ej> ohh..
[14:51] <teward> but I have to be present at an IRC meeting in 10 minutes so I might start going unresponsive eventually
[14:51] <ej> any help would be great.
[14:52] <ej> at your convience...
[14:53] <ej> what did u want me to do.
[16:15] <redpanda> hello. i am trying to run lubuntu-desktop on Xnest. when i run lxde i use DISPLAY=:1 lxsession. but there is no lubuntu-session. which is the launcher?
[16:18] <testdr> redpanda: in LUbuntu the desktops start is this:   /usr/bin/lxsession -s Lubuntu -e LXDE
[16:20] <redpanda> thanks. i am on a mint whit lubuntu as alternative DE. let me try that
[16:21] <holstein> !mint
[16:21] <holstein> redpanda: they could be changing the session..
[16:22] <redpanda> OH. there that was... i ask in mint help, ubuntu... that was so easy. thanks ou so mauch
[16:23] <redpanda> thank you so much*
[16:23] <holstein> !bot
[16:34] <redpanda> bye
[22:11] <atfleg> hi having problems with a wifi card - can any give me a hand? After an upgrade I received a bios message stating go to wrieless.kernal.org/.../B43 and wifi won't work. went to page followed instructions and now no error message in bios but still no wifi
[22:12] <wxl> atfleg: `lspci | grep 14e4` give you anything? if so, what?
[22:12] <atfleg> nope
[22:13] <wxl> atfleg: what device id do you have?
[22:13] <atfleg> lspci -vnn -d 14e4: gives me 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4322 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:432b] (rev 01)
[22:13] <atfleg> 	Subsystem: Dell Wireless 1510 Wireless-N WLAN Mini-Card [1028:000d]
[22:13] <atfleg> 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
[22:13] <atfleg> 	Memory at f69fc000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
[22:13] <atfleg> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[22:13] <wxl> !paste | atfleg
[22:14] <wxl> so it should give you something since there's a 14e4 right there :)
[22:14] <wxl> anyways have you seen this?
[22:14] <wxl> !b43 | atfleg
[22:14] <atfleg> ops ok http://paste.ubuntu.com/9533536/
[22:15] <wxl> it's ok tl;dr atfleg :)
[22:15] <atfleg> wxl: yup
[22:15] <wxl> atfleg: and you followed THOSE instructions?
[22:16] <wxl> man someone messed with this page
[22:16] <wxl> annoying
[22:16] <atfleg> yeah, they were linked from the kernal.org. page
[22:16] <atfleg> and follwoed them
[22:16] <wxl> so basically you need to install firmware-b43-installer
[22:17] <wxl> if you have that you need to remove all drivers and then load the specific one you want (b43)
[22:17] <wxl> that should do it
[22:17] <wxl> or you can just reboot
[22:18] <atfleg> using "sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer"?
[22:18] <wxl> yeppers
[22:18] <wxl> i would not suggest the sta driver if you installed that
[22:18] <wxl> nor would i suggest the b43 legacy driver
[22:18] <wxl> ooops that one doesn't apply :)
[22:19] <atfleg> "firmware-b43-installer is already the newest version." how do I now remove all drivers and load b43?
[22:19] <wxl> the sta is the proprietary one. i'm not a fan of proprietary and in all the broadcom devices i've used i've never needed it
[22:19] <wxl> atfleg: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#Switching_between_drivers
[22:20] <atfleg> "modprobe: FATAL: Module wl not found." should I worry about that??
[22:20] <wxl> no
[22:20] <wxl> it's good that you don't have ti :)
[22:21] <atfleg> great! getting there:)
[22:21] <wxl> for that second part you want to do `sudo modprobe b43`
[22:21] <wxl> do NOT do the other ones
[22:21] <wxl> so you should -r (remove) ALL drivers
[22:21] <wxl> and then just add the one
[22:21] <atfleg> got ya
[22:21] <atfleg> done it
[22:21] <atfleg> i'll try unplugging the cable and see what happens!
[22:21] <wxl> give it a minute or so and you should be good to go
[22:22] <wxl> the cable to the router? :)
[22:24] <atfleg> still no wireless connection :-(
[22:24] <wxl> atfleg: are you sure there's no hardware switch?
[22:25] <remymartin9> would Lubuntu notify when it needs an update?
[22:26] <atfleg> DOH :-[
[22:26] <wxl> remymartin9: i believe that by default notifications are set on. you can check it yourself. :)
[22:26] <remymartin9> thanks
[22:26] <wxl> atfleg: hey, it happens to the best of us :)
[22:26] <holstein> remymartin9: you can open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".. "need" can be relative..
[22:26] <wxl> remymartin9: you know how to check?
[22:26] <remymartin9> yeah holstein  just said it
[22:26] <wxl> yeah well dist-upgrade suggests that it will potentially remove packages that are no longer needed
[22:26] <remymartin9> btw, i really like lubuntu, it's the best distro i've tried so far.
[22:26] <wxl> there's a difference between that and upgrade
[22:27] <wxl> *I* usually do dist-upgrade, but just saying
[22:27] <remymartin9> yeah i'm still studying the commands
[22:28] <wxl> brb ping pong calls
[22:29] <atfleg> thanks wxl have switched and still no wifi but will reboot and hopefully that'll solve it.
[22:34] <atfleg> hmmmm so still no wifi, hardware switch now switched on!  have I messed something up in terminal somehow?
[22:44] <atfleg> i've ran through it again, am now getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/9533743/ but still no wireless connection available
[22:45] <atfleg> am i missing something else daft?
[22:49] <atfleg> anyway I can check my hardware is working or if it's a driver issue? On BIOS I was getting a driver missing error, but not anymore
[22:57] <atfleg> this was the error i was getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/9533890/ anyone any ideas?
[23:36] <atfleg> help with wifi - output from wireless script here :    http://paste.ubuntu.com/9534231/
[23:36] <atfleg> still have no wife :-(
[23:40] <atfleg> opps! no wifi


[13:37] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: it sounds like a good sw updater is more difficult than thought?
[14:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yeah. This is going to require some collaboration, which is OK. we can't do this on our own.
[14:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ubuntu Flavors aren't an island. We should always be collaborating with each other. The idea of being separate from the rest of Ubuntu isn't a thing. Tribalism gets us nowhere. The more we work together, the better things are for everyone.
[14:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> What I thought was funny was it attracted the attention from KDE (Neon) and Fedora.
[14:27] <OvenWerks> :)
[17:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: FYI, the update-manager autoremove tells you exactly what it's removing and gives you the option to unselect stuff to keep it from removing it.
[17:48] <OvenWerks> Thats good. Is there also a way to flag packages set to auto remove as user installed?
[17:49] <OvenWerks> otherwise they remain in the autoremove list
[18:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Only way I know of to do that is "apt-mark manual {package}".
[18:51] <OvenWerks> exactly
[18:53] <OvenWerks> a GUI that shows a list of autoremove packages should have two check marks, one for yes remove and a second for keep this package. One could even argue, though I am not sure they would be right, that anything that remains un checked for removal, should be marked manual
[18:54] <OvenWerks> The main reason for not marking unchecked packages as manual, is that there is no "I don't want to make this decision right now button"  :)
[19:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> That sounds like a feature enhancement request, which is a form of bug report.
[19:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> That said, it would come up on the next time upgrade-manager runs.