[06:34] <holy_cow> Pizbit, i know, but what i mean is i'm starting to understand the 'why' of spatial, its a different way of looking at things, its kinda neat even
[06:34] <cef> membreya: it's wonderful! *grin*
[06:34] <SuperQ> and put my 3ware back in
[06:34] <holy_cow> smouche, i never heard of that, thx!
[06:34] <Pizbit> holy_cow: Gets annoying without a spatial fs I reckon
[06:34] <thoreauputic> membreya: it's a tyranny, the uptime thing :) I hate rebooting now...
[06:34] <kakalto> is there a package to automatically mount usb drives?
[06:34] <Pizbit> holy_cow: I tried it for a couple of weeks myself
[06:35] <cef> SuperQ: I've got a dual opteron with root on a 3ware..
[06:35] <membreya> though I really need to get more ram .. 512 doesn't seem to be enough :(
[06:35] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, who really cares about setting up servers....who in their right mind wants to pay $30/yr just for DNS registration fees.....p2p is a better way to go
[06:35] <benplaut> 512 is fine for most normal stuff... but for gaming or grafx...
[06:36] <kakalto> ?
[06:36] <cef> SuperQ: be warned: the install process detects the 3ware, but mkinitrd doesn't add the 3ware 9xxx module.. so if the root fs is on the 3ware, the machine failts to boot
[06:36] <thoreauputic> membreya: I have a stick of RAM that's been waiting for me to *have* to reboot - I think I have an illness....
[06:36] <smouche> it amazes me how much I can run on 512
[06:36] <membreya> benplaut: I have the CPU to back it up ;)
[06:36] <smouche> on linux, anyway!
[06:36] <membreya> thoreauputic: your refusal to reboot is the least of your concerns
[06:36] <holy_cow> benplaut, lol, i have 1ghz systems here, 1.5 gigs of ram each, ram really makes  your machine go A LOT farther
[06:36] <fallstorm> How are you going to serve web content over p2p?
[06:36] <thoreauputic> rofl @ membreya
[06:36] <kakalto> does anyone know if there is a package to automatically mount usb drives?
[06:37] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, easy...just put your html docs in your upload directory
[06:37] <thoreauputic> membreya: OK I'll pay that one ! *g*
[06:37] <fallstorm> That'll work, but what about when you update?
[06:37] <benplaut> i know... i have a 1.5GHz with a slight boost of 768RAM and it runs great!
[06:37] <holy_cow> kakalto, gnome 2.10 does it automatically i think?
[06:37] <Pizbit> kakalto: That should be happening automatically with any install
[06:37] <kakalto> grr
[06:37] <holy_cow> i just tried a usb hard drive my self
[06:37] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, you can serve anything on p2p and you don't have to pay DNS registration fees
[06:37] <benplaut> <<upgraded it from 256, big difference
[06:37] <kakalto> not with kde
[06:37] <SuperQ> cef: I have a 7xxx card
[06:37] <smouche> it's been very very hard for me to overcome the (windows) habit of rebooting on practically every software install!!
[06:37] <holy_cow> should be same, its just another volume no?
[06:37] <SuperQ> cef: it worked just fine
[06:37] <Pizbit> kakalto: Ask in #kubuntu then, this in #ubuntu
[06:37] <Pizbit> s/in/is
[06:37] <fallstorm> You'll have to track down or find some way to alert everyone that downloaded your files to redownload the stuff
[06:37] <SuperQ> cef: thanks for the warning tho
[06:37] <smouche> heh, most of the time on here I don't even need to log-out!
[06:37] <kakalto> Pizbit, will do
[06:37] <cef> SuperQ: ahh should be fine then. just thought I'd mention it though *grin*
[06:37] <westyvw> you can learn the linux way: service apache restart :P
[06:37] <membreya> smouche: only thing I reboot for is hardlocks (been solved now) and new kernels :)
[06:37] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, just treat your web pages as a htmldocfile
[06:37] <Debian-Newbie> Hi, I'm currently deciding between Debian and Ubuntu, can anyone point me to a page which has a comarison of both?
[06:38] <fallstorm> And you're certinaly not going to run ircd over p2p
[06:38] <SuperQ> cef: yea.. those are things that I can fix easily by hand
[06:38] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, how do you know...it just hasn't been invented yet
[06:38] <cef> SuperQ: yeah.. twasn't fun to trip over.. found it with warty.. supposed to be fixed in hoary, but appears not
[06:38] <Xgates> holy_cow: ok I got the iso, going to burn it now
[06:38] <Xgates> brb guys THANKS
[06:38] <westyvw> Debian_Newbie: id throw in kanotix and mepis too if i were you
[06:38] <SuperQ> cef: yea.. file a bugzilla
[06:38] <holy_cow> Xgates, me too, burnt and putting laptop
[06:38] <SuperQ> cef: that's the most important thing
[06:38] <Xgates> holy_cow: ok brb
[06:38] <holy_cow> ... into laptop ...
[06:39] <fallstorm> I can't even theorize how you could chat over a p2p network like we are here
[06:39] <cef> SuperQ: have done.... did it ages ago in warty.. reopened the bug
[06:39] <Debian-Newbie> westyw: Ok, I need to decide, where can I read a good article comparing the differences in an objective way?
[06:39] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie: interesting question:  I don't think I've seen a direct comparison
[06:39] <westyvw> yeah i am going through all this extra work beacuse it appears ubuntu has the best out of the box laptop support
[06:39] <SuperQ> cef: cool
[06:39] <adoyretsamon> i like testing those ISOs with qemu prior to installing
[06:39] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, well that doesn't mean it can't be done
[06:39] <SuperQ> I need to open a bug to see if I can get them to add the needed kernel patch to make captive ntfs work out of the bo
[06:39] <westyvw> i dont care about pausing and resume, I care about my laptop running too hot
[06:39] <SuperQ> box
[06:39] <adoyretsamon> westyvw: it does seeem too
[06:39] <holy_cow> westyvw, thats sortof a debian legacy, and a result of the amazing work the di team is doing
[06:39] <fallstorm> Debian-Newbie, I'd say if you have to ask, try ubuntu ;) If you find you're customizing and changing ubuntu quite a bit from the base, debian might be better becuase it's more customizable out of the box
[06:40] <whiskey_1> before p2p was popular...well people used the web...but today there is a better choice than paying $30/yr
[06:40] <Debian-Newbie> What I don't understand is: aren't the packages supposed to be compatible, since Ubuntu takes stuff from Debian?
[06:40] <fallstorm> whiskey_1, that's true... but how will you confidentially transmit information from one party to another over p2p?
[06:40] <xMaximex> Debian-Newbie, .deb package are compatible with ubuntu
[06:40] <diego> Debian-Newbie: supposedly. there's really little reason to use both repos concurrently though in my experience
[06:41] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, easy...just encrypt it with say gpg and email the keys
[06:41] <fallstorm> Any encryption can be broken
[06:41] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, so what ....how many people are going to bother.
[06:41] <fallstorm> And you just said "email the keys", neccessating the use of a server.
[06:42] <fallstorm> unless you want to do it via carrier pigeon or something
[06:42] <Debian-Newbie> Some guy told me that you couldn't use XFCE with Ubuntu because Ubuntu only had Gnome and KDE(Kubuntu), is that true? Why can't I use the debian XFCE package for example?
[06:42] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie: there ar library incompatibilities and such
[06:42] <diego> Debian-Newbie: that's bull. i have xfce4 installed
[06:42] <cef> email the keys? pfft.. email is in the clear
[06:42] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie: ubuntu has xfce4.2
[06:42] <fallstorm> And there are plenty of people that would try to crack any given crypto, depending on the content
[06:42] <Debian-Newbie> diego: so how did you install it? Did you use a debian(non-ubuntu) package?
[06:42] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, who is going to bother cracking gpg just to read a web page doc
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> man, ubuntu has some awesome screensavers
[06:43] <diego> Debian-Newbie: nope, it was in the ubuntu repos (probably the universe repository)
[06:43] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie: see my comment above
[06:43] <Debian-Newbie> OK,
[06:43] <membreya> nomasteryoda: ..all those screensavers and I still choose blank screen :P
[06:43] <fallstorm> But what if that HTML document contained damning evidence against someone or some other valuable information that could be harmful in the wrong hands?
[06:43] <Debian-Newbie> So, what is confusing for me is that I don't understand what is the difference? I mean, can't I just use all the Ubuntu packages in Debian an vice-versa?
[06:44] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, that is when you encrypt it.....but with millions of doc files floating around who is going to bother trying to crack them
[06:44] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: not a good idea
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> membreya, i do the same on my laptop
[06:44] <diego> Debian-Newbie: in general, there packages in debian have counterparts for ubuntu and vice-versa
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> but on desktop, i like the fluff
[06:44] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: you can, but you have to be very careful
[06:44] <cef> Debian-Newbie: ubuntu packages use the same format, but there are subtle differences
[06:44] <cef> Debian-Newbie: eg: compile time options, patches, etc.
[06:44] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: basicaly, don't try unless you're a developer
[06:44] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie: there are incompatibilities between some deb versions and ubuntu versions
[06:44] <westyvw> Debian-Newbie: the difference is that some packages are in ubuntu only, so the database for apt is different when using ubuntu packages
[06:45] <Debian-Newbie> Ok.
[06:45] <fallstorm> What if sometime in the near future, there's a technology to automatically decrypt and scan any document posed to it? What if a random document came up which would destroy some political leader's life?
[06:45] <Debian-Newbie> Now I start seeing the point.
[06:45] <westyvw> also the packages are built expressly for ubuntu in ubuntu
[06:45] <cef> and if a package depends on another package that you've replaced, but previously had a patch, you get bugs that normally wouldn't happen
[06:45] <membreya> nomasteryoda: look at it this way..you walk away from your computer, your screen saver comes on ..it's pretty and everything..but who's going to sit there and wait for their screensaver to come on ? :P
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> membreya, true
[06:45] <fallstorm> Well, maybe not near future, I'm thinking 20 years or so down the road
[06:45] <westyvw> you arent surrounded with computers????
[06:45] <capi> I do, I love my screensaver.
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> i like the bouncing cow
[06:46] <capi> I like the atoms one
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> westyvw, i have tons
[06:46] <SuperQ> nomasteryoda: yea.. bouncing cow is my default
[06:46] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, that is hardly like..it is an extremists argument and quite shallow.....with millions of docfiles transmitted who will bother trying to figure out which ones to even crack
[06:46] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, the idea is to have a commercial distro that is VERY close to debian in packages and philosophy, but work hard to 'polish' it and have the 'polish' filter back to debian over time thereby leveraging labour and resources
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> even an old Mac classic
[06:46] <Debian-Newbie> Is it true that Debian has more packages than ubuntu?
[06:46] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, obviously thats a one way filter, it doesn't work the other way, or when you start swapping packages around
[06:46] <fallstorm> What if computing power expands to the point that you won't have to figure out which documents to crack?
[06:46] <Xenguy> Debian-Newbie: AFAIK Debian has the most packaged software of any distribution
[06:46] <fallstorm> Just crack em all and see what comes out
[06:46] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, oh..like anyone is going to bother
[06:47] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, no, all debian packages are in ubuntu, ubuntu is just a testing debian snapshot every 6 months and patched and polished
[06:47] <diego> holy_cow: did you just say "commercial distro" referring to ubuntu?
[06:47] <fallstorm> Or, what if some flaw is found in the encryption method that could quickly allow someone to decode the contents?
[06:47] <Debian-Newbie> Holy_cow what do you mean one-way-filter, which would be the other way round?
[06:47] <cef> whiskey_1: quantum cryptography could change that
[06:47] <holy_cow> diego, yeah i consider ubuntu a commercial endeavour
[06:47] <diego> holy_cow: exp., not testing, i thought
[06:47] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie: debian has about 11 architectures going, so it has many more packages
[06:47] <diego> holy_cow: how is ubuntu commercial?
[06:47] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, it means nothing...and having a web site doesn't avoid this problem it only costs you extra money
[06:47] <capi> ARGH, 97% and now an error... new CD
[06:47] <Xenguy> holy_cow: is that true then?  Ubu has packaged all the software Debian has available?
[06:48] <diego> holy_cow: "Ubuntu will always be free of charge, and there is no extra fee for the "enterprise edition", we make our very best work available to everyone on the same Free terms.  Ubuntu includes the very best in translations and accessibility infrastructure"
[06:48] <crimsun> Xenguy: not all but nearly all.
[06:48] <holy_cow> diego, to my way of thinking, it's financed for starters, second, i'm certain shuttleworth wouldn't mind getting a return on his money, with an ethical business model based on providing support world wide
[06:48] <crimsun> Xenguy: and then a whole lot more.
[06:48] <fallstorm> whiskey_1, A server would though because the information could be kept in one central location, not blasted to every client on the internet. Plus, isn't it somewhat difficult to use more than one access control method over a p2p network?
[06:48] <Xenguy> crimsun: well that's damn impressive then :-)
[06:48] <thoreauputic> diego: canonicall want to make some ,oney on support :)
[06:49] <thoreauputic> *money
[06:49] <crimsun> Xenguy: both impressive and scary as $*@!
[06:49] <EvilIdler> holy_cow: Public schools are financed. That doesn't make them commercial endeavours.
[06:49] <diego> money on support does not mean that the distro is commercial. no one is making me pay canonical
[06:49] <libben> how can i install ubuntu without a monitor? is there any remote way of doing it... thinking of turning my xbox into a server.
[06:49] <kakalto> where is my usb device likely to be?
[06:49] <holy_cow> Xenguy, unless something has changed, ubuntu is a whole snapshot of unstable, only 2k worth of packages are 'officially' supported tho
[06:49] <jsgotangco> why not just buy a new PC and just keep the xbox?
[06:49] <kakalto> which /dev/ would it be?
[06:49] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, sorry but i just don't see the problem and there is no way in hell i am going to pay $30/yr for a website
[06:49] <westyvw> you have to manually set up the usb device
[06:49] <rdw200169> plugged into the usb port
[06:49] <libben> jsgotangco, i allready has an xbox that i barely use? =)
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, mine just opened right up
[06:49] <libben> with 80 gb hd
[06:50] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[06:50] <westyvw> $30 year? thats cheap
[06:50] <libben> alots of games thoug
[06:50] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, mine didn't :(
[06:50] <thoreauputic> diego: true - depends what is meant by commercial
[06:50] <fallstorm> whiskey_1, for personal use it depends on what you're hosting... p2p can work for some things
[06:50] <holy_cow> EvilIdler, they also arent for profit, i don't see why shuttleworth shouldn't see ubuntu for profit, from what i see on the site already support is offered officially for ubuntu
[06:50] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, sometimes the fat32 paritions on those things get broken chains... might need to run a check on it
[06:50] <diego> thoreauputic, holy_cow: can we then conclude that calling ubuntu a 'commercial distro' should be avoided?
[06:50] <XTC> in what file should i putthe command for dhcp server to start on boot?
[06:50] <holy_cow> our company is interested in using something we can buy support for *shrug*
[06:51] <capi> is there an open-source version of Flash? Like Gimp is to Photoshop?
[06:51] <westyvw> notice when he gave the interview posted at slashdot, he evaded the question.....
[06:51] <Debian-Newbie> Holy_cow what do you mean one-way-filter, which would be the other way round?
[06:51] <holy_cow> diego, lol sure :)
[06:51] <diego> excellent
[06:51] <fallstorm> holy_cow, you can purchase support for ubuntu... that's Canocal's role, right?
[06:51] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, how the f** do I run a check on it if I don't know how to mount it!?!
[06:51] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, well the patches go from ubuntu to debian, not really the other way around?
[06:51] <EvilIdler> holy_cow: So? It's still not commercial. Support is separate from the product.
[06:51] <Debian-Newbie> Holy_cow: Ok I understand
[06:51] <westyvw> lol so redhat isnt either then?
[06:51] <westyvw> or suse or mandrake?
[06:51] <XTC> aanybody knw?
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, lol
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[06:52] <EvilIdler> RedHat and SuSE have non-free components of their distro, too.
[06:52] <holy_cow> fallstorm, EvilIdler okay we're splitting hairs, good point, okay how about ubuntu is designed to support service based consultancy ecosystem then?
[06:52] <Debian-Newbie> So do you agree that Debian is more powerfull but Ubuntu is more polished? maybe that would be the difference in few words?
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, try "dmesg" in a terminal
[06:52] <kakalto> thankyou
[06:52] <EvilIdler> Ubuntu is all open-source on the installation CD from what I've seen
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, look for the sda
[06:52] <cef> holy_cow: I know of at least 2 companies other than Canonical that pay Debian developers to work on Debian, and they provide support services for Debian. By your reasoning then, Debian is commerical
[06:53] <westyvw> no
[06:53] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, no, they are actually the same, ubuntu is just the latest bleeding edge (read unstable) snapshot WHICH happens to be polished
[06:53] <XTC> Ubuntu is totally a distro for your mom
[06:53] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, sda is my hard drive
[06:53] <holy_cow> remember debian unstable is purely an unstable platform, its only meant to be used by developers
[06:53] <westyvw> ubuntu isnt nearly as polished as the other debian based linux's
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> ok, then it would be sdb
[06:53] <membreya> westyvw: it's only 6 months old :P
[06:53] <westyvw> i kind of like that
[06:53] <SuperQ> heh
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> or sdc
[06:54] <westyvw> on 6 months?
[06:54] <dustin_> should i switch from fedora core 3 to ubuntu
[06:54] <holy_cow> cef, really? i wasn't aware of that, i kno ians company did something like ubuntu a while back but are they now doing debian support?
[06:54] <Debian-Newbie> Can I use debian testing and use packages from debian unstable(SID)?
[06:54] <leichman> I think what ubuntu really has going for it is it's community
[06:54] <holy_cow> user linux is supposed to do the same but they can only do their thing after sarge is released so that doesn't count
[06:54] <thoreauputic> dustin_:  of course ;-)
[06:54] <fallstorm> dustin_, Look at where you're asking that question ;) Do you like FC3? Are you having a lot of problems with it?
[06:54] <Xenguy> dustin_: Ubu is an FC killer =)
[06:54] <holy_cow> dustin_, just try it and see for your self
[06:54] <holy_cow> the work speaks for it self
[06:54] <EvilIdler> Debian-Newbie: You shouldn't. You could try building the source-packages, though.
[06:54] <XTC> how do i make dhcp server run on boot? or check if it's configured to do that....
[06:54] <dustin_> i like fc3, but id like to try something new
[06:55] <cef> holy_cow: there are a few companies that support debian commercially, and they all hire debian devs. I didnt say that they were hired by Ian
[06:55] <Bicchi> i am following the instructions in ubuntuguide to install java jre to be used as a plugin in firefox. but the folder /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ does not exists so i can not create the symbolic link. why?
[06:55] <yfir> dustin_: you won't go back to FC
[06:55] <dustin_> i like yum and rpms since im new
[06:55] <dustin_> to linux
[06:55] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: why would you need to use non-ubuntu packages anyway?
[06:55] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, thanks.
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> np
[06:55] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: everything in Sid plus some is in universe
[06:55] <Debian-Newbie> Why can't I use packages from debian unstable(SID) in debian-testing?
[06:55] <Xenguy> dustin_: apt-get shines brighter than yum IMO
[06:55] <bettse> does anyone know the name of the package that has a mouseover popup under kunbuntu showing the name and use of programs from the taskbar?  screenshot example: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=306&slide=35
[06:55] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: libc changes
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, you might want to try fsckdos /dev/sdc
[06:55] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, yeah what EvilIdler said, you really want to stay within each debian stage, the various packages very RARELY work between stages, let the di's fix the problems unless you have amitions to do patching your self which is always welcome
[06:56] <dustin_> is apt graphical
[06:56] <Debian-Newbie> SuperQ: I'm worried that some packages I might need are only in Debian and not in Ubuntu.
[06:56] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: pacakage dependancy changes
[06:56] <icebalm> Debian-Newbie: go to #debian for questions about debian
[06:56] <crimsun> dustin_: try Synaptic
[06:56] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: don't worry about that
[06:56] <EvilIdler> dustin_: Synaptic is. It's a frontend to apt-
[06:56] <Pizbit> bettse: #kubuntu
[06:56] <dustin_> i have that, i didnt know if it would work with ubuntu
[06:56] <Xenguy> dustin_: 'synaptic' is the GUI
[06:56] <milli> Debian-Newbie: Ubuntu IS Debian sid
[06:56] <dustin_> i didnt kow they were the same
[06:56] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: everything you need will be in ubuntu
[06:56] <crimsun> milli: not quite
[06:56] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: enable universe and multiverse
[06:56] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: that's all it takes
[06:56] <milli> Debian-Newbie: once you enable universe and multiverse
[06:57] <milli> Debian-Newbie: it is
[06:57] <dustin_> i like the idea of less bulk with ubuntu
[06:57] <icebalm> dustin_: less bulk?
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> dustin_, yes... you bulk it up as you go
[06:57] <Debian-Newbie> What is this universe and multiverse? ARe those the debian packages?
[06:57] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, that wasn't it
[06:57] <fallstorm> One thing I really like about ubuntu is that the install is only 1 CD and you have a very functional, nice-looking system
[06:57] <dustin_> like, less crap i dont need
[06:57] <fallstorm> FC3 is 4 CDs
[06:57] <dustin_> iexactly
[06:57] <EvilIdler> The AMD64 version of Sid didn't install any hotplug system, so there are certainly differences from Debian to Ubuntu
[06:57] <milli> Debian-Newbie: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:57] <yfir> Debian-Newbie: they are the non-free Ubuntu repositories
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, try fsck /dev/sd
[06:57] <icebalm> dustin_: i dunno, ubuntu installs a whole bunch of crap I dont need
[06:58] <holy_cow> plus you have another 14 cd's worth of software available online
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> it should know which to run
[06:58] <holy_cow> no other distro comes even close
[06:58] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, it just mounts this thing with 5 directories, which is exactly the same as sdb, sdc, sdd, etc.
[06:58] <holy_cow> not even redhat
[06:58] <Xenguy> Debian-Newbie: why not check out the FAQ etc. -- there's a lot of good info on http://ubuntulinux.org/
[06:58] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, so I still haven't found usb
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> er, just sec
[06:58] <EvilIdler> icebalm: That means a micro-distro should ve doable :)
[06:59] <Debian-Newbie> Ok. I just see a contradiction: People claim that not all debian packages are in Ubuntu and at the same time they say that everything I will need is in Ubuntu. So isn't there a contradiction?
[06:59] <holy_cow> no all of debian is in ubuntu
[06:59] <holy_cow> first its debian unstable
[06:59] <holy_cow> second ubuntu only officially supports 2k worth of packages
[06:59] <Debian-Newbie> no, all OR not all?
[06:59] <holy_cow> the other packages are 'there' but you take your chance in using them
[06:59] <westyvw> Debian-Newbie: the horse is dead. Now is there a package you are looking for in particular?
[06:59] <holy_cow> it is impossible to support 15 000 packages
[06:59] <crimsun> not all.
[06:59] <holy_cow> debian is huge
[07:00] <crimsun> there's stuff in experimental that's not in ubuntu yet.
[07:00] <cef> all of debian's packages from about 6 months ago (plus a few additions and outside sources) are in ubuntu
[07:00] <icebalm> EvilIdler: evolution, gaim, xsane, terminal server client, gnome meeting, all the gnome games, I mean, wtf
[07:00] <Debian-Newbie> westyvw: Not now, but I don't want to discover it AFTER i have installed the system, I'm trying to figure out beforehand!
[07:00] <crimsun> conversely, there's stuff in ubuntu not in debian.
[07:00] <holy_cow> crimsun, don't confuse him with experimental :) lol i don't know anyone even trying that really
[07:00] <holy_cow> haha
[07:00] <dustin_> i wanted to try debian but the last stable is like 3 years old right?
[07:00] <EvilIdler> icebalm: I'd be real happy if it didn't install Evolution by default,  myself..takes friggin' 15 seconds to launch for some reason
[07:00] <cef> note: from 6 months ago.. hence, it's quite possible that stuff that came out in the last 6 months within debian isn't in ubuntu
[07:01] <holy_cow> dustin_, yes, but sarge is as close to stable as you get, it is probably more stable than latest fedora or whatever is out there
[07:01] <thoreauputic> dustin_: that's a half-truth - most people run srge or sid
[07:01] <westyvw> Debian_Newbie: well you will get NEWER versions of your desktop environment, and you will get xorg as the x server, which is nice and debian doesnt have.
[07:01] <ben_> the last "official" stable is from 2002, except Testing branch is also very stable
[07:01] <holy_cow> the only reason its not 'released' is because debian is 15k packages PLUS how many architectures? 11?
[07:01] <icebalm> EvilIdler: xsane for crying out loud, who has a scanner these days?  if they need it install it later
[07:01] <kakalto> nomasteryoda; ?
[07:01] <cef> holy_cow: nothing wrong with experimental.. I use packages from it occasionly on my machine *grin*
[07:01] <holy_cow> cef, your mad :)
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, hoary or warty?
[07:01] <EvilIdler> icebalm: I have a scanner..not that I could use it in Linux, though :/
[07:01] <archangel_X19> anybody here know why my cdrom drive would eject randomly?
[07:01] <dustin_> i have to force quit too many progs on FC3 and there are some compatability issues, like with ndiswrapper
[07:01] <yfir> icebalm: ubuntu is meant to be immediately useable as a desktop and small business OS
[07:01] <cef> holy_cow: I'm not denying that.. *grin*
[07:01] <EvilIdler> icebalm: But yes - if no scanner module loaded with success, don't install SANE
[07:02] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, hoary
[07:02] <Xenguy> dustin_: why don't you just do a test Ubu install, and see what you think? :-)
[07:02] <cef> holy_cow: however sometimes there are reasons to run packages from experimental.. eg: helping out the devs, particuarly if you trip over a bug or somesuch
[07:02] <icebalm> yfir: I know what it's meant to be, however I'm fairly confident less than 5% of people have a scanner
[07:02] <linux_galore> archangel_X19: someone is logging into your system and typing eject  lol  common prank
[07:02] <holy_cow> cef, *nod*
[07:02] <archangel_X19> linux_galore, seriously?
[07:02] <EvilIdler> icebalm: The installers still need to compare module loading results with packages it wants to install, and modules need to report properly whether there's a point to hanging around in the kernel
[07:03] <dustin_> maybe ill let it share my fc3 partition, just a matter of setting up a triple install
[07:03] <linux_galore> archangel_X19: type eject on the command line
[07:03] <ben_> linux_galore: somehow i don't think so...
[07:03] <yfir> icebalm: you are probably right, but if you think about the goals of ubuntu, it makes sense that basic offic software is installed by default
[07:03] <Debian-Newbie> Ok, I'm over at #debian, asking some questions there now :)
[07:03] <ben_> wait, never mind
[07:03] <crimsun> for instance, yesterday a new snapshot of xmms from experimental moved to sid
[07:03] <yfir> icebalm: anyway, i agree with you, there is a lot of stuff that i personally don't need
[07:03] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, just a heads up, #debian has a small number of true assholes, don't get upset if you get reamed
[07:03] <linux_galore> ben_ lol I do it all the time to users
[07:03] <holy_cow> just expect it
[07:03] <holy_cow> hehe ;)
[07:03] <icebalm> yfir: scanner drivers isn't basic office software, basic office software is openoffice
[07:04] <ben_> hmm
[07:04] <archangel_X19> linux_galore, lol wow um how would they get in?
[07:04] <ben_> yup, it does it...
[07:04] <holy_cow> also they don't answer ubuntu questions, never ever ask anything but deiban q's in "#debian
[07:04] <cef> crimsun: yup.. for ages the latest gq was in experimental.. and the old gq was buggy
[07:04] <dave_> anyone know how to get different refresh rates to be usable in hoary, I installed the nvidia-glx driver and I tried using the xorg configuration app and nothing has worked
[07:04] <yfir> icebalm: not sure i agree with you on that one, but whatever
[07:04] <geneo93> huh my xsane comes up with bt878
[07:04] <ben_> #debian is not the freindliest place in the world...
[07:04] <Debian-Newbie> I'm used to assholes, thanks for the advice :)
[07:04] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, any luck?
[07:04] <linux_galore> archangel_X19: could be a dippy driver or a bad eject button on the front or you have a pretty crappy password for ssh
[07:04] <EvilIdler> geneo93: That's an interesting new definition of 'scanner'
[07:04] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, lol *nod*
[07:05] <holy_cow> archangel_X19, or you are accidentally hitting it with your knee :)
[07:05] <icebalm> yfir: you don't agree that word processing and spreadsheets are basic office tools?
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, since i'm on hoary... the newest, the system is quite different
[07:05] <dustin_> has anyone successfully used ndiswrapper with ubuntu
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> ... but i'm looking
[07:05] <cef> geneo93: if it was, that'd make drivers a hell of a lot easier!
[07:05] <fallstorm> archangel_X19, have a terminal window open and next time it happens type "who"
[07:05] <yfir> icebalm: ofcourse i do, but i think a scanner prog is also pretty basic
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> dustin_, yes
[07:05] <fallstorm> that will show you if someone's in your system
[07:05] <holy_cow> archangel_X19, that reminds me of a laptop issue i have with a few users, that when they type their thumb accidentally touches the touch pad feather light
[07:05] <fallstorm> but I don't think that's what it is
[07:05] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, I'll just go googling
[07:05] <holy_cow> they swear they don't but they do, so random windows are always opening and closing
[07:05] <dustin_> because FC won't let me use the program even though I installed it
[07:05] <archangel_X19> lol its on the floor and I'm in a chair
[07:05] <holy_cow> hehe, haveto disable touchpad to resolve the issue
[07:06] <icebalm> yfir: basic is something you would find on the majority of systems, scanning software isn't that
[07:06] <archangel_X19> not touching it
[07:06] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, look on the ubuntu wiki
[07:06] <sig> deb http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/debian ./
[07:06] <dustin_> how is ubuntu on laptops
[07:06] <XTC> anybody wanna help me setup traffic routing?
[07:06] <nomasteryoda> excellent
[07:06] <archangel_X19> my pw is a bitch too
[07:06] <yfir> icebalm: go find an argument elsewhere
[07:06] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, will do
[07:06] <XTC> just a very basic setup
[07:06] <ben_> dustin_: works great on IBMs, not sure on others...
[07:06] <holy_cow> dustin_, just installing my first ubuntu on lappy :) lets find out
[07:06] <holy_cow> heh
[07:06] <XTC> for a starter....
[07:06] <yfir> dustin_: great, autodetects most laptop devices
[07:06] <cef> dustin_: works fine on mine (Toshiba P20)
[07:06] <ben_> holy_cow, what brand?
[07:07] <holy_cow> well debian works great on laptops, so ubuntu should too
[07:07] <holy_cow> ben_, some no name pos, seanix
[07:07] <dustin_> so .deb packages work just fine with ubuntu?
[07:07] <nomasteryoda> i have a friend who has Ubuntu warty on an old Pentium 266mhz laptop... his kid loves it
[07:07] <archangel_X19> fallstorm, what does "who" do?
[07:07] <ben_> rgr
[07:07] <linux_galore> yeah but still wont sleep on my iBook
[07:07] <EvilIdler> Scanners are actually awfully common in my country. Both my dad AND grandpa got themselves scanners before me.
[07:07] <ben_> woops, wrong name
[07:07] <fallstorm> who shows you what users are logged in to your computer and how
[07:07] <holy_cow> dustin_, yes, provided they are compiled for 'testing' so to speak
[07:07] <dustin_> why would you install linux on a ppc
[07:07] <dustin_> i dont get it
[07:07] <fallstorm> You'll be logged in probably twice
[07:07] <holy_cow> dustin_, why run osx, its a bastard child of bsd :;)
[07:08] <dustin_> i wanted to try bsd too
[07:08] <fallstorm> I believe it shows you an IP address if someone's logged in remotely
[07:08] <ben_> oops... i thought i had closed Xchat, but it was just another desktop :embaressed:
[07:08] <linux_galore> yeah I find scanners thrown out on the street just because the resolution isnt high anymore
[07:08] <dustin_> but then id be completely lost
[07:08] <archangel_X19> archange :0           Apr  9 04:04
[07:08] <archangel_X19> archange pts/0        Apr 10 01:06 (:0.0)
[07:08] <archangel_X19> archange pts/1        Apr 10 01:08 (:0.0)
[07:08] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie seems to be getting an unusually balanced and fair assessment in #debian
[07:08] <archangel_X19> that my who right now
[07:08] <XTC> :(
[07:08] <benplaut> ahhh... that's better...
[07:08] <fallstorm> I really doubt someone's in your system ejecting your drive...
[07:08] <fallstorm> What kind of drive do you have and how is it connected?
[07:08] <archangel_X19> and it just opened
[07:09] <EvilIdler> thoreauputic: If he has his logging on, he's logging history!
[07:09] <archangel_X19> lol
[07:09] <holy_cow> thoreauputic, really? hehe :) they aren't too bad, as long as  you are aware of the 'asshole' variable and the 'no non debian talk' var
[07:09] <linux_galore> archangel_X19: suspect you have a dippy eject button might have moisture in it
[07:09] <benplaut> hmm, can't seem to get Xchat to autofinish nicks...
[07:09] <archangel_X19> well whoever it is if you're doing it at least close it back
[07:09] <thoreauputic> well, they aren't panning ubuntu, and they are being quite sensibel at the moment:)
[07:09] <thoreauputic> *sensible
[07:09] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, no luck
[07:09] <nomasteryoda> archangel_X19, or the try cover is not closing all the way
[07:10] <D-Train> 1 4M H4X1NG UR Cl) 12Om
[07:10] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, looking still
[07:10] <EvilIdler> thoreauputic: The gimps are asleep, then
[07:10] <holy_cow> archangel_X19, try another cdrom on the exact same machine/install before you try anything else
[07:10] <holy_cow> i also suspect its hardware related
[07:10] <thoreauputic> EvilIdler: :)
[07:10] <westyvw> isnt the way ubuntu sudo for root tasks make for a security risk?
[07:10] <archangel_X19> my main cdrom drive doesn't do it
[07:10] <linux_galore> archangel_X19: eject -t   sorry
[07:10] <linux_galore> heh heh
[07:10] <holy_cow> EvilIdler, hahah :) its like one of those fables where you walk into a dungeon and hope not to wake the lions eh?
[07:10] <holy_cow> hahaha
[07:11] <holy_cow> like that bugs bunny cartoon ^-^
[07:11] <holy_cow> ^_^ even
[07:11] <EvilIdler> holy_cow: Let the games begin! Throw the heathen ubuntians to the lions!
[07:11] <D-Train> ill toss in my fancy hat
[07:11] <holy_cow> rofl, man when i first got to #debian, i had flame wars for two weeks before i got that it was standard practice over there
[07:11] <linux_galore> wonder if there is a GimpShop debian package
[07:12] <holy_cow> linux_galore, oh god i hope not
[07:12] <microburn_> Ubuntu doesn't have XFCE?
[07:12] <D-Train> i tried gimpshop and it didnt work
[07:12] <microburn_> :\
[07:12] <D-Train> ubuntu has gnome
[07:12] <D-Train> and kde
[07:12] <linux_galore> GimpShops is basically gimp with some graphical hacks to make the menu's work like Photoshop
[07:12] <EvilIdler> #debian was decent about 2-3 years ago, but then certain people forgot their medication :/
[07:12] <holy_cow> i really wish ps users would just learn gimp, its far superior, and its ui is much better
[07:12] <microburn_> That's all well, and good.
[07:12] <microburn_> But it doesn'
[07:12] <microburn_> But it doesn't answer my question.
[07:12] <holy_cow> ps users complaining about gimp is like 3dsmax users complaining about maya
[07:12] <benplaut> they need a GimpCorel... Corel's interface is the best out there
[07:12] <holy_cow> its completely stupid, just learn the goddamned app
[07:12] <Xenguy> Debian-Newbie: I would use Ubuntu if this is for a desktop system (unless you like to mess around with customized/manual configuration a lot, for fun :-)
[07:12] <D-Train> im suere you can download it
[07:12] <yfir> microburn_: xfce is available in the universe/multiverse repos
[07:13] <yfir> at least, much of it is
[07:13] <microburn_> Okay. Thank you.
[07:13] <microburn_> Much of it?
[07:13] <EvilIdler> holy_cow: The big problem with Photoshop is that marketing has made so many people believe they need the new features and plugins og every new version (really just revision)
[07:13] <yfir> microburn_: there are some 'extras' missing
[07:13] <microburn_> Oh
[07:13] <geneo93> su
[07:13] <holy_cow> EvilIdler, i find ps users like cult members, they cannot comperehend that there can possibly be a better way
[07:13] <geneo93> opps
[07:14] <EvilIdler> holy_cow: Or even a different way..
[07:14] <Chaotic_Reality> microburn_, :o
[07:14] <holy_cow> EvilIdler, its the only group of users i've ever met that can't learn a new app, even microserf can learn to adapt
[07:14] <holy_cow> EvilIdler, yeah, its a very interesting psychological study imho
[07:14] <microburn_> Chaotic_Reality, :o
[07:14] <microburn_> :O!
[07:14] <D-Train> i havent really used the gimp
[07:14] <microburn_> :O!!
[07:14] <Chaotic_Reality> microburn_, :o!
[07:14] <Chaotic_Reality> =x
[07:14] <microburn_> Heh
[07:14] <holy_cow> D-Train, i had a medium sized commercial design project, i bit the bullet and learned it
[07:14] <Xgates> ahhh its still doing 5.04 iso has issuers
[07:14] <linux_galore> yeah cant wait for longhorn to come out with its strict file permissions setup and the UI it totally weird
[07:14] <microburn_> Little to far?
[07:14] <linux_galore> man I can hear them screaming now
[07:14] <holy_cow> it took 2 days to 'unlearn' ps
[07:15] <D-Train> lol
[07:15] <holy_cow> and another 2 days to get some speed up, but at the end with gnome, debian and gimp
[07:15] <Xgates> holy_cow:  I got this --> "fontconfig error cannot load default config file
[07:15] <holy_cow> with multiple desktops and amazing memory management of linux....
[07:15] <holy_cow> i was at least twice as fast
[07:15] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, I found out what device it is, but I can't seem to write to it
[07:15] <zenrox> holy_cow,  i agree
[07:15] <holy_cow> Xgates, mine is just setting up packages, lets see
[07:15] <Cicada> hi all....    where do apps like mplayer get installed when they are installed via apt
[07:16] <D-Train>  /
[07:16] <Xgates> holy_cow: it now says it will open "Aptitude" for me to reinstall
[07:16] <D-Train> =)
[07:16] <holy_cow> zenrox, i had 1 gig large files, 1.5 gigs of ram on a 1ghz machine, not a blip
[07:16] <yfir> Cicada: dpgk -L mplayer
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, you try from a "root" terminal
[07:16] <MacIver> Cicada: /dev/null
[07:16] <yfir> Cicada: dpkg -L mplayer (sorry)
[07:16] <Xgates> holy_cow: how can I use Aptitude to correct this?
[07:16] <linux_galore> Cicada: usually under /usr
[07:16] <Cicada> cheers
[07:16] <D-Train> are most of you linux only
[07:16] <linux_galore> Cicada: type  whereis mplayer
[07:16] <holy_cow> aptitude is different from apt-get so if its asking you to reinstall aptitude, then no
[07:16] <XTC> can i do ipforwarding with ubuntu?
[07:17] <zenrox> holy_cow,  i have had linux gnome gimp rendering a file in gimp on a 450mhz 128mb sys in 20 mins
[07:17] <XTC> or do i have to install somehitng?
[07:17] <yfir> D-Train: i am, but there's a mac (osx) in the house too...
[07:17] <zenrox> at 1600x1200
[07:17] <fallstorm> D-Train, ubuntu and macos X here
[07:17] <holy_cow> apt-get remove --purge aptitute && apt-get clean && apt-get install aptitude ... ?
[07:17] <D-Train> i wanted an ibook
[07:17] <thechitowncubs> is there any way to get skype to work as good as it does in kde in gnome?
[07:17] <Chaotic_Reality> anyone get external speakers to work on their laptops using kubuntu?  sound comes out of my internal ones but not external
[07:17] <linux_galore> Cicada: the config file are under /etc/mplayer   or ~/.mplayer/
[07:17] <D-Train> gnome is superior to kde
[07:17] <D-Train> so yes
[07:18] <holy_cow> zenrox, heh, i find gimp an incredible piece of work, whenyou really get down to it, it is simply amazing, it stands up very well next to ps
[07:18] <thechitowncubs> well, i can't get it to work in gnome, but i can in skype
[07:18] <thechitowncubs> i mean kde
[07:18] <XTC> can i do ipforwarding with ubuntu? or do ui have to install somethign?
[07:18] <Xgates> holy_cow: no its going to open Aptitude for me to reinstall packsages that failed on this install BUT since I'm new with Ubunbtu I dont know how to use it, so how can I figure to use it to reinstall, or reconfigure the apps it had a problem with>
[07:18] <linux_galore> depends KDE still has the best kick ass CD burner front end around
[07:18] <holy_cow> you can use aptitude, but i hate it ... *ummm* donno any commands for it sorry
[07:18] <D-Train> thechitowncubs: what does it do
[07:18] <thechitowncubs> i also like how snappy the menus are in KDE, but that is IT
[07:18] <zenrox> holy_cow,  i todaly agree with the right hands (like a ps user) it can be very powerfull
[07:18] <Xgates> k
[07:18] <thechitowncubs> i would use gnome any day
[07:18] <yfir> linux_galore: gnome has grip, which kicks a bit of ass itself
[07:19] <holy_cow> dpkg-reconfigure appname used with apt-get is what works for me
[07:19] <thechitowncubs> The sound doesn't work and the fonts are huge because it uses KDE libraries
[07:19] <linux_galore> also try do a click and drop fonts install in nautilus like you can with konqueror......cant do it
[07:19] <zenrox> holy_cow,  specaly when thay start writing scripts for it
[07:19] <holy_cow> zenrox, oh god yes
[07:19] <EvilIdler> Gnome and KDE seem to do the same thing for me. I prefer to use a mix of programs from both, since none of them have a monopoly on likable programs
[07:19] <Xgates> say anyone KNOW how I use aptitude, on the install of 5.04 some stuff failed and now it wants to open Aptitude so I can correct this BUT I dont know how to use it?
[07:19] <linux_galore> yfir: I fint I use a mix of packages from both kde and gnome
[07:19] <linux_galore> find*
[07:19] <Bicchi> has anyone been able to install java jre with mozilla firefox?
[07:20] <D-Train> yes
[07:20] <yfir> linux_galore: the oly thing i really miss from kde is kaffein
[07:20] <adoyretsamon> time for some gaming
[07:20] <adoyretsamon> nite all
[07:20] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: fonts have nothing to do with KDE there part of X
[07:20] <Cicada> anyone tell me how to launch mplayer without X ... aka from a terminal
[07:20] <D-Train> Bicchi: ill try to find a tutorial
[07:20] <holy_cow> zenrox, i never realize how much i hate mdi until i used gimp, gimps non mdi ui is trully the right way to work, ESPECIALLY on a multimonitor, multidesktop setup
[07:20] <EvilIdler> You're speaking of Gnome and KDE programs as if they were mutually exclusive ;)
[07:20] <thoreauputic> wow.. people in #debian admitting they use ubuntu! This I haven't seen before...
[07:20] <thechitowncubs> well they are huge and the audio doesn't work as it does in gnome
[07:20] <thechitowncubs> i think it has something to do with ESD
[07:20] <yfir> EvilIdler: true... they're not
[07:20] <thechitowncubs> and that it is in use by other apps
[07:20] <Bicchi> D-Train: i was to install the jre but the plugin is not working.
[07:21] <Xgates> man this install SUCKS
[07:21] <holy_cow> thoreauputic, lol ubuntu is gaining huge traction
[07:21] <holy_cow> its amazing
[07:21] <Xgates> holy_cow:  not from me
[07:21] <D-Train> what install xgates
[07:21] <Xgates> LOL
[07:21] <Xgates> D-Train: 5.04
[07:21] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: type kcontrol you can adjust all your fonts sizes  ..loook under  look and feel>fonts
[07:21] <yfir> Xgates: you sure? i've installed it on two laptops and a very old desktop without any problems
[07:21] <fallstorm> Xgates, is it possible that you got a batch of bad CD-Rs? I haven't heard of these types of problems
[07:21] <holy_cow> Xgates, heh *sigh* what can i say? :)
[07:21] <Xgates> D-Train: it keeps haing problems with fontconfig
[07:21] <thoreauputic> holy_cow: this is the most civilized discussion I've seen in #debian for eons...
[07:21] <holy_cow> my install on this shitty laptop so far is okay
[07:22] <Bicchi> D-Train: i followed the steps list here: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre but there is a problem creating one of the symbolic links.
[07:22] <thechitowncubs> kcontrol?
[07:22] <Cicada> anyone tell me how to launch mplayer without X ... aka from a terminal
[07:22] <zenrox> holy_cow,  yep its very nice and thare are just as good wallpapers made on linux for every other os out thare linux is even using .png as a pic format witch is a very powerfull format on any os
[07:22] <holy_cow> thoreauputic, i'm going to haveto scroll back, lol
[07:22] <thechitowncubs> I am using gnome, but i have to use KDE for skype to work
[07:22] <thechitowncubs> but i want it to work in gnome
[07:22] <holy_cow> zenrox, oh man absolutely
[07:22] <Xgates> fallstorm: no my cds are fine I burned the iso fine and the md5 was ok too
[07:22] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: same place for audio   kcontrol  and just edit your sound server defaults with your mouse.......takes like three clicks
[07:22] <Xgates> fallstorm: the install just has some issues is all
[07:22] <thoreauputic> holy_cow: I have to say I'm pleased to see it - I like and admire Debian
[07:22] <fallstorm> hmm..  At what stage of the install process?
[07:27] <Chaotic_Reality> R0bNyc, you can order a cd for free
[07:27] <Xgates> fallstorm: when its upacking and setting it up, yes it craps on the ttf's saying this
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> Is this going to help me get it working under gnome?
[07:28] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: run kcontrol edit the fonts from "within" gnome  bet the size problem is fixed
[07:28] <Xgates> ok ---> ? is the help section
[07:28] <R0bNyc> Chaotic_Reality: where
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> oh ok
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> i didn't know that was possible
[07:28] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: yes
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> what about audo?
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> audio?
[07:28] <Xgates> B is for broken so let me see if I can find a B in this thing
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> what is the differences in audio in KDE vs gNOME?
[07:28] <Bicchi> exit
[07:28] <Chaotic_Reality> R0bNyc, www.ubuntu.com
[07:28] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: not sure I usually default to kde not gnome
[07:29] <R0bNyc> thank u i bet they take long time
[07:29] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: worth a try
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> what is the differences in audio in KDE vs gNOME?
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> woops
[07:29] <holy_cow> Xgates, ubuntu is up and running on laptop
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> whats worth a try?
[07:29] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: kde has its own sound manager called artsd
[07:29] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: editing the sound settings in kcontrol
[07:30] <benplaut> what are the best (free) linux supported 3d games
[07:30] <benplaut> ?
[07:30] <kangpeh> http://www.aniport.com/public/1113110749.png <-- screenshot of my Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary w/ Gnome and nabi (korean support) hehehe
[07:30] <thechitowncubs> alright, i'll give it a try
[07:30] <linux_galore> benplaut: more your hardware than Linux distro i find
[07:31] <benplaut> radeon 7500 mobile (64mb)... it can handle quite a bit, for its age
[07:31] <zenrox> benplaut,  chackout ufo, planeshift
[07:31] <zenrox> check
[07:31] <linux_galore> benplaut: one problem the ATi drivers under Linux are a bit slow
[07:31] <benplaut> thanx
[07:31] <benplaut> i know...
[07:31] <benplaut> but they are decent
[07:31] <Bicchi> ubuntu did not install the gcc with the basic install. how do i install it including g++?
[07:31] <holy_cow> Xgates, sound is working ( i don't even know the hardware on the lappy ) and its mounting usb hd's
[07:32] <holy_cow> Xgates, sounds like you got some weird hardware?
[07:32] <linux_galore> <--- has Nvidia FX5900.....runs really well under Linux
[07:32] <linux_galore> benplaut: enemy territory is very good on Linux
[07:32] <zenrox> <-----nvidia gf ti 4800 dual monter enabled and still have 3d support
[07:32] <holy_cow> hey guys ... the gnome bootup image is now square instead of nice rounded polished like it was about a week ago ....
[07:32] <holy_cow> very ugly
[07:32] <linux_galore> benplaut: also free
[07:33] <holy_cow> anyone know if we can swap the old one back in?
[07:33] <holy_cow> also the background is dark when gnome is loading, it should be nice like the boot menu
[07:33] <holy_cow> i'll haveto dig in, that has to be fixed :)
[07:34] <thechitowncubs> PROBLEM??!?!?
[07:34] <linux_galore> holy_cow: look on www.google.com/linux  for editing the gdm theme
[07:34] <holy_cow> linux_galore, lol *nod*
[07:34] <thechitowncubs> after i installed kubuntu-desktop and when i try to login with gnome, my panels don't load
[07:34] <Xgates> holy_cow: you got it installed ok?
[07:34] <yfir> holy_cow: Configuration Editor -> apps -> gnome-session -> options
[07:34] <thechitowncubs> actually, nothing loads
[07:35] <linux_galore> holy_cow: just an image file/s
[07:35] <holy_cow> yfir!!
[07:35] <holy_cow> *hmmm* cool
[07:35] <holy_cow> Xgates, yeah no problem
[07:35] <Bicchi> how can install gcc?
[07:35] <holy_cow> Xgates, i have only run into one other person that couldn't get debian installed via d-i ... this dude from the netherlands
[07:35] <kakalto> Ubuntu isn't mounting my usb flash drive automatically, and I can't mount it manually. how do I get hotplug to ACTUALLY do its job???
[07:35] <holy_cow> redhat and win2k installed
[07:36] <libben> Bicchi, use synaptic and search gcc
[07:36] <thoreauputic> Bicchi: you need d-e
[07:36] <yfir> holy_cow: run Configuration editor as root though if you want to change the splash image for every user
[07:36] <holy_cow> gentoo and debian refuse to
[07:36] <thechitowncubs> bicchi: apt-get install build-essential
[07:36] <libben> or look at www.ubuntuguide.or
[07:36] <libben> or look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:36] <thoreauputic> bah You need to install build-essential
[07:36] <holy_cow> yfir ... that can be done? oh sweet :) thx!
[07:36] <kakalto> anyone?
[07:37] <thechitowncubs> after i installed kubuntu-desktop, my gnome session won't load
[07:37] <XTC> how do I route all traffic from eth1 to eth0 ?
[07:37] <linux_galore> just left it the way it is ....its only there for like 5 seconds
[07:37] <kakalto> Ubuntu isn't mounting my usb flash drive automatically, and I can't mount it manually. how do I get hotplug to actually do its job? if I run lsusb, it shows up, but I can't mount it manually?
[07:37] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: kabuntu is kde not gnome
[07:37] <thechitowncubs> i know that
[07:37] <linux_galore> kubuntu *
[07:38] <holy_cow> yfir, haha holy fuck thats the image!
[07:38] <thechitowncubs> but i did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:38] <holy_cow> thank you :)
[07:38] <thechitowncubs> after i installed hoary
[07:38] <holy_cow> oh thats cool, time to get gimp out
[07:38] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: your going to have to load a whole heap of gnome packages
[07:38] <kakalto> anyone?
[07:38] <thechitowncubs> i already had gnome working
[07:38] <kakalto> please!!?
[07:38] <Xgates> holy_cow: ok well I'm on the desktop let me see if I can get the Rez adjusted
[07:38] <Xgates> do we have to run --> xorg.config?
[07:39] <holy_cow> no
[07:39] <holy_cow> system ...
[07:39] <kakalto> ???????
[07:39] <holy_cow> preferences ... resolution
[07:39] <holy_cow> should be able to get you sensible possibilities for your hardware
[07:40] <|Gunther|> hii
[07:40] <holy_cow> if you want greater with proper refresh rates for your moni, you will need to config xorg.config yes, or you can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i think
[07:40] <dem> http://zengarden.foo-projects.org/images/uglyfront.jpg
[07:41] <dem> anyone know why my fonts < 12 look ugly like that since i updated to hoary final
[07:41] <Xgates> holy_cow: ok looks like apt-get is working this time, BUT I'm running a Nvidia card so run ---> apt-get install nvidia-glx ?
[07:41] <whiskey_2> the web was yesterday's technology and people need to move on to cost savings
[07:41] <benplaut> is there an equivelent to "Program Files" in Ubuntu? i found it (in 3 places...) in SuSE, but i can't seem to locate it over here
[07:41] <dem> on my laptop, i updated it too, but the fonts didn't break
[07:41] <holy_cow> oh there it is! ubuntu polished metal! nice!!!!
[07:41] <holy_cow> oh no... check out the ubuntu website
[07:42] <holy_cow> they made it very simple, simpler than the debian way actually
[07:42] <holy_cow> they have detailed instructions on the wiki for nvidia, super cool infact
[07:42] <Xgates> k whats that URL for the userguide again?
[07:42] <Debian-Newbie> Can I uninstall Gnome if I don't like it?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:42] <thoreauputic> Xgates: ^^^
[07:43] <Xgates> thx
[07:43] <holy_cow> thoreauputic, thanks, i don't know ubuntu urls well yet :)
[07:43] <MacIver> Debian-Newbie: no, it will suck you in, it's not possible that you won't like it
[07:43] <holy_cow> lol MacIver
[07:43] <deFrysk> 10 pts for MacIver
[07:43] <Debian-Newbie> MacIver LOL.
[07:43] <holy_cow> actually yes you can remove gnome and or kde
[07:44] <thoreauputic> holy_cow: there are too many to remember, but that one sticks for me :)
[07:44] <Debian-Newbie> I want a lightweight think like XFCE
[07:44] <Debian-Newbie> How do you set up the installer to give you(the user) more options to choose, like the debian way?
[07:44] <EvilIdler> Debian-Newbie: You'll still find that there are many little utilities only KDE or Gnome provides
[07:44] <Debian-Newbie> I mean instead of the installer choosing everything for you.
[07:45] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, just muck about with stuff for a while, uninstalling gnome and kde can be easy or hard, infact i don't know how as i've never tried it, but it is possible
[07:45] <Amaranth> Debian-Newbie: use the server boot option
[07:45] <Xgates> CRAP
[07:45] <deFrysk> Debian-Newbie, I beleive the crimsun repo has xfce4.2
[07:45] <Xgates> brb
[07:45] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie: you came out of that rather well - I thought you would be burnt at the stake for the ops joke ;-)
[07:45] <|Gunther|> is the new Ubuntu a DVD edition thats going out to mail?
[07:45] <dem> any ideas as far as fonts go?
[07:45] <Amaranth> Debian-Newbie: It was "expert" in warty but I think it changed to "server", try expert first anyway.
[07:45] <Arnia> Ouch... just played with kcontrol to check if the 3.4 vaunted usability improvements filtered through
[07:46] <Debian-Newbie> thoreau :)
[07:46] <Arnia> Look at Security and Privacy > Crypto and make sense of *that*
[07:46] <Amaranth> |Gunther|: It has basically everything debian has plus a lot of stuff from apt-get.org
[07:46] <|Gunther|> oh ok
[07:47] <Xgates> ok
[07:47] <Amaranth> |Gunther|: That's not what's on the DVD though.
[07:47] <Xgates> apt-get install python2.4-samba is crapping on me
[07:47] <Xgates> so maybe need to change the mirror
[07:47] <Xgates> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-samba_3.0.10-1ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:47] <Amaranth> |Gunther|: The DVD is just everything from main, should still be enough to fill a good portion of a DVD.
[07:47] <Xgates>  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
[07:47] <Xgates> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[07:47] <Xgates> how do you change the mirrors for apt-get?
[07:47] <Quest-Master> I have a friend
[07:47] <EvilIdler> You shouldn't need 4.38 gigs worth of compressed packages, though
[07:47] <thoreauputic> Xgates: something is deeply wrong...
[07:47] <Quest-Master> And he needs to add Windows into GRUB
[07:47] <Quest-Master> But
[07:48] <Quest-Master> GRUB uses the (hd0,0) style for partitions
[07:48] <Xgates> /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:48] <Quest-Master> His Windows is on hda1
[07:48] <Xgates> ok let me try
[07:48] <Quest-Master> And he's tried (hd0,0)
[07:48] <Quest-Master> (hd1,0)
[07:48] <Xgates> thoreauputic, LOL Ubuntu has been giving me nothing but problems for the past 5 hrs
[07:48] <EvilIdler> Quest-Master: You simply want (hd0)
[07:48] <Arnia> Quest-Master: You chainloading
[07:48] <Quest-Master> (hd0,1) and (hd0,2)
[07:48] <thoreauputic> Xgates: so it appears - I don't know why
[07:49] <thoreauputic> Xgates: very unfortunate
[07:49] <Quest-Master> Arnia: Ues
[07:49] <EvilIdler> Quest-Master: If you add a comma, that implies saving Grub *on the partition*
[07:49] <Quest-Master> EvilIdler: I'll tell him that
[07:49] <Debian-Newbie> Ok thanks for the patience everyone.  Sounds like he is trying to make it boot windows.
[07:50] <EvilIdler> Amaranth: I've suppressed all chainloading knowledge :/
[07:50] <Quest-Master> Amaranth: You are right.
[07:50] <masa> Does anyone know if hoary should detect a Compaq Smart Array 2 controller and load the cpqarray module? It seems like it does not work when booting from the preview version of the install CD...?
[07:50] <whiskey_2> i mean really just google for the word cheap and look how many websites come up.....who is even going to bother to look at any of them.....they are wasting their money paying $30/yr.....people need to wisen up
[07:50] <Xgates> thoreauputic, oh well I uncommented the other mirrors now running apt-get update
[07:51] <Xgates> lets see how this goes
[07:51] <thoreauputic> Xgates: Maybe you should sacrifice a goat or two...
[07:51] <Xgates> thoreauputic, nope
[07:51] <Xgates> AHHH
[07:51] <Xgates> apt-get -f install
[07:51] <Quest-Master> Amaranth: Do you know the solution to this problem?
[07:51] <Xgates> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-samba_3.0.10-1ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:51] <Xgates>  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
[07:51] <whiskey_2> i see 54million sites for the word cheap....point made
[07:51] <Xgates> I cant run apt-get -f install
[07:52] <epicenter> CHRIST this is fast.
[07:52] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: Nope, I don't mess with grub. :P
[07:52] <whiskey_2> epicenter, hey that was fast...did you get 64bit installed
[07:52] <Quest-Master> EvilIdler: lol, he got this when he simply put in (hd0): Error 12: Invalid device requested.
[07:52] <Amaranth> Xgates: sudo apt-get clean <--does that work?
[07:52] <Quest-Master> EvilIdler: It also said something about a bad fs
[07:52] <Quest-Master> Amaranth: ack.
[07:52] <thoreauputic> Xgates:  corrupted filesystem tarfile  << haven't seen that one
[07:52] <thechitowncubs> Hey
[07:52] <epicenter> Sound is still foobar'ed
[07:52] <epicenter> I also ran out to the store for snacks
[07:52] <epicenter> yeah, it's installed
[07:52] <thoreauputic> Xgates: looks ominous
[07:52] <whiskey_2> epicenter, does it really feel that much faster
[07:52] <epicenter> and holy mother of GOD is it quick
[07:52] <Dethread|> snacks are good
[07:52] <EvilIdler> Quest-Master: That's why I don't dual-boot :/
[07:53] <Quest-Master> gah
[07:53] <whiskey_2> epicenter, hey no kidding....that is interesting
[07:53] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: I think it means either the md5's don't match up or it can't inflate the tar.
[07:53] <epicenter> Firefox renders smoothly on a page of all animated gifs, it lagged like mad before. The GUI is quick and response in VESA when it was choppy and unusable before
[07:53] <Xgates> thoreauputic, I cant get python2.4-samba which nvidia-glx needs
[07:53] <holy_cow> epicenter, so the 64 bit distro is all compiled for 64 cpus right?
[07:53] <thechitowncubs> I had gnome working with hoary and i wanted to try kubuntu so i installed kubuntu-desktop, but when i try to login to gnome it doesn't load the panels correctly or the background
[07:53] <epicenter> yep
[07:53] <kakalto> wtf is with this retarded thing
[07:53] <Xgates> man this is really sucking
[07:53] <epicenter> kernel and all apps in the repository, it would appear.
[07:53] <Amaranth> Xgates: Does sudo apt-get clean work?
[07:53] <thechitowncubs> Does anyone know what I screwed up?
[07:53] <epicenter> The repos. isn't as robust as the 32-bit one though, it seems
[07:53] <Xgates> Amaranth, let me try thanks
[07:53] <epicenter> but I want to compile more apps for my CPU on my own anyway
[07:53] <holy_cow> epicenter, oh okay
[07:54] <epicenter> now I just have to fix my sound card and I'm set
[07:54] <EvilIdler> Xgates: nvidia-glx requiring a python and samba related package?! That sounds very wrong
[07:54] <holy_cow> Xgates, thats just weird :-/
[07:54] <Xgates> yeah no kidding
[07:54] <Xgates> LOL
[07:54] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: do you have any ideas why this seems to be inlicting itself on Xgates in particular and others are sailing through without problems?
[07:54] <holy_cow> EvilIdler, heh *nod*
[07:54] <Xgates> ok apt-get clean seems to have gotten it
[07:54] <Xgates> Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[07:54] <Xgates>  'Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)'
[07:54] <dem> http://zengarden.foo-projects.org/images/two.png a wall paper i made for ubuntu, it's really nice with clearlooks-olive
[07:55] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Bad HD? Random bad download?
[07:55] <Xgates> damm this thing is killing me and they say Slack is hard
[07:55] <Xgates> LOL
[07:55] <westyvw> hey to get to a 686 kernel can i just apt-get it?
[07:55] <whiskey_2> epicenter, that is very interesting that you can feel a difference between 32bit and 64bit code
[07:55] <Amaranth> westyvw: Yep.
[07:55] <thechitowncubs> anyone have a clue?
[07:55] <holy_cow> Xgates, after you added the nvidia repositories to your sources.list you did apt-get update right?
[07:55] <westyvw> thanks
[07:55] <thechitowncubs> should i ask in #kubuntu?
[07:55] <Arnia> dem: The Ubuntu Chocolate wallpaper is nice with Clearlooks Olive too
[07:55] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I was thinking hard drive too - 5 hrs of downloads and none work
[07:55] <holy_cow> ubuntu should warn you that there is no signature for the repository
[07:55] <Arnia> thechitowncubs: Swap the KDE sound system to use ESD
[07:55] <epicenter> whiskey_2: But not unexpected :D
[07:56] <whiskey_2> epicenter, it is unexpected to me...and quite interesting
[07:56] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: It has it cached, apt-get'ing it again will use the one it downloaded the first time. apt-get clean should clean the cache.
[07:56] <Arnia> thechitowncubs: Just tested KDE sound in Gnome and that got it working
[07:56] <thechitowncubs> Arnia: are you referring to skype?
[07:56] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: aha - i follow you
[07:56] <Arnia> thechitowncubs: Yes. If its trying to use KDE's sound system you have to tell KDE to defer to Gnome's daemon (the Enlightened Sound Daemon)
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> Thanks, I'll try it once i get gnome back working again =(
[07:57] <Xgates> ok looks like I got Nvidia in
[07:57] <Xgates> need to reboot
[07:57] <Xgates> brb
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> im going to try to reboot
[07:57] <holy_cow> lol reboot
[07:57] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: See? Just needed a cleaning. :)
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> maybe that will help it out
[07:58] <holy_cow> you know i had the unfortunate experience of installing xp last week
[07:58] <Amaranth> holy_cow: Don't confuse the newbs with modprobe. :)
[07:58] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: yes - good thinking :)
[07:58] <epicenter> I saved most of Crimsun's messages.  Added firewall to new main rotation server.  Results not all we had hoped.
[07:59] <Arnia> Its great... the semantics of the language are naturally left recursive :p
[07:59] <Amaranth> ^^ That's why. :)
[07:59] <epicenter> ext3. Which I explicitly picked.
[08:00] <whiskey_2> epicenter, this is very very surprising and quite interesting
[08:00] <epicenter> It is
[08:00] <whiskey_2> epicenter, ok...so no change there
[08:00] <epicenter> I'm really shocked myself
[08:00] <epicenter> I can't wait to get sound going and do some media encoding tests
[08:00] <whiskey_2> epicenter, are you using the same video driver
[08:01] <epicenter> and some emulation
[08:01] <epicenter> VESA.
[08:01] <epicenter> yep
[08:01] <thoreauputic> woah
[08:01] <epicenter> lag-fest VESA
[08:01] <whiskey_2> epicenter, are you using the same video driver
[08:01] <thoreauputic> we still have 470 survivors
[08:01] <jsgotangco> only the strong survive
[08:01] <jsgotangco> wahaha
[08:01] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[08:01] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: That was the lost ones coming back, not more splits. :)
[08:01] <whiskey_2> epicenter, well i am truly surprised
[08:02] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: ah yes, I see now !
[08:02] <Arnia> It just screwed up all my fonts :p
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> hey
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> Where do you change the sound system KDE uses?
[08:03] <lunitik> Arnia: uhh... its easy enough to change the fonts...
[08:03] <whiskey_2> epicenter, well i am glad it is faster for you...but i really am truly surprised to hear that
[08:03] <Arnia> lunitik: It was changing them to match the gnome ones that has screwed stuff up
[08:03] <lunitik> Arnia: so change them to something you like?
[08:03] <Arnia> lunitik: its done something to my subpixel rendering I didn't ask it to
[08:03] <flodine> i dont find reiser to be faster then ext3 true or not or am i crazy
[08:03] <Arnia> lunitik: So its very difficult for me to unpick
[08:04] <lunitik> Arnia: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and turn sub-pixel rendering back on?
[08:04] <Xgates> well Nvidia drivers running but the "screen rez" doesnt give me any options to change it
[08:04] <Arnia> That's what I think I have to do... but it irritates me
[08:04] <thoreauputic> flodine: you're quite sane and objective :)
[08:04] <Xgates> under screen rez I only have 640X480
[08:04] <flodine> so am i right
[08:04] <flodine> ext3 is faster
[08:04] <Amaranth> Xgates: Your monitor sucks. ;)
[08:04] <holy_cow> xgates thats because your monitor sucks
[08:04] <holy_cow> :)
[08:05] <holy_cow> Amaranth, haha
[08:05] <thoreauputic> flodine: depends on file size and stuff ,  afaik
[08:05] <Xgates> no it doesnt
[08:05] <lunitik> thechitowncubs: kcontrol > Sound > Sound System (I think)
[08:05] <Xgates> its a NEC and its DAMM good
[08:05] <Xgates> LOL
[08:05] <lunitik> Not in KDE right now
[08:05] <holy_cow> Xgates, find the correct refresh rates for your monitor and put them in the xorg config file :)
[08:05] <flodine> 30 gig drives
[08:05] <Amaranth> Xgates: How old is it?
[08:05] <Xgates> should I run -->  xorgconfig?
[08:05] <holy_cow> the refresh rates give you the possible resolutions
[08:05] <Xgates> Amaranth, maybe 6 mos is all
[08:05] <Amaranth> hrm
[08:05] <holy_cow> and then you can add resolutions you know it supports manually as well
[08:05] <Amaranth> then it sucks :P
[08:05] <lunitik> Xgates: no... never ever run that under Debian-based systems
[08:06] <holy_cow> Amaranth, probably install picked refresh rates his moni is not able to deal with well
[08:06] <Xgates> Amaranth, in Slackware the rez settting showed up just fine
[08:06] <Xgates> but in Slackware you do things by hand Im not use to doing this all the GUI way
[08:06] <Xgates> hehe
[08:06] <holy_cow>  Xgates  you can do everythign in debian by hand too
[08:06] <flodine> whats size drive is best for reiser
[08:06] <holy_cow> debian just makes gui easy
[08:06] <lunitik> Xgates: dpkg-reconfigure != the gui way
[08:06] <Xgates> lunitik, never run what?
[08:06] <oska> hey everyone - first time on - just installed - quick question if i can - how do i find the color depth my display is showing?
[08:06] <holy_cow> just config your xorg.config file
[08:07] <Xgates> holy_cow, yea
[08:07] <ben__> is there a "program files" equivelent for Ubuntu? i found it for SuSE (in 3 places...), but i can't seem to find it on Ubuntu...
[08:07] <EvilIdler> oska: xdpyinfo
[08:07] <lunitik> Xgates: never run xorgconfig on a Debian based system... it sucks
[08:07] <Amaranth> ben__: Program Files?
[08:07] <holy_cow> ben__, what do you mean program files?
[08:07] <oska> thanks a lot evil
[08:08] <masa> anyone here running kde applications in gnome?
[08:08] <ben__> a file where programs and their files are kept
[08:08] <holy_cow> masa,  i do all the time
[08:08] <flodine> whats size drive is best for ext3
[08:08] <holy_cow> k3b is my fav
[08:08] <ben__> in suse it was /usr/lib, etc...
[08:08] <Agrajag> ben__: a file where files are kept?
[08:08] <whiskey_2> epicenter, i guess those 64bit people really know what they are doing
[08:08] <masa> holy_cow, do you get the cofiguration for the applications correct?
[08:08] <thoreauputic> ben__: you probably mean /usr/bin , but a lot of files end up in /usr/lib and /etc
[08:08] <ben__> shouldn't have used a Windows term...
[08:08] <Agrajag> ben__: almost every unix-like OS does the same thing
[08:08] <holy_cow> masa, what do you mean?
[08:08] <thoreauputic> ben__ and sometimes other places
[08:08] <kangpeh> http://www.aniport.com/public/1113110749.png <-- did you guys see this - does it look OK?
[08:09] <ben__> thoreauputic: thanx
[08:09] <lunitik> Why the hell would anyone use K3B when GnomeBaker is so easy to get your hands on?
[08:09] <Agrajag>  /bin, /usr/bin, and /usr/local/bin hold most binaries
[08:09] <holy_cow> masa,when you install kde apps apt will pull in whatever kde libraries you need, it just works
[08:09] <westyvw> gnomebaker eh? does it handle dvd's?
[08:09] <thechitowncubs> hey, has anyone gotten skype to work in Gnome?
[08:09] <thechitowncubs> cause i haven't?
[08:09] <masa> holy_cow, my problem is that when I'm running konsole (my fav) it forgets which font it should use etc...
[08:09] <thechitowncubs> .
[08:09] <holy_cow> masa, the only thing i do is bring up kcontrol center and pick a theme that is sorta gnomish
[08:09] <thoreauputic> ben__: the functions are split between different directories
[08:09] <Amaranth> lunitik: Doesn't matter, they're just different frontends to the same shitty cdrecord. :)
[08:09] <Xgates> brb
[08:09] <holy_cow> you use konsole in gnome?
[08:09] <lunitik> westyvw: umm... yeah... just have to install dvd+rw-tools  :/
[08:09] <holy_cow> oh thats just wrong dude :)
[08:09] <lunitik> Amaranth: actually, no... both use cdrdao
[08:10] <masa> holy_cow, but do you need to bring up Control Center everytime you start up gnome?
[08:10] <kangpeh> What is GnomeBaker?
[08:10] <kangpeh> I use Graveman...
[08:10] <xi> guys I just install ubuntu ,, how can I use FTP???
[08:10] <lunitik> kangpeh: simular to K3B... only, for GNOME
[08:10] <holy_cow> masa, no just once ... but i don't know how to change konsole fonts and colours ... appologies :-/
[08:10] <kangpeh> lunitik: do u have a website about it
[08:10] <thechitowncubs> GnomeBaker > Graveman
[08:10] <Zotnix> Well... not really accurage.
[08:10] <lunitik> kangpeh: apt-cache show gnomebaker
[08:10] <Agrajag> thechitowncubs: I wouldn't say so, gnomebaker doesn't seem to work for a non-root account
[08:10] <EvilIdler> Since the software is free, just try them all and keep the one you like ;)
[08:10] <Zotnix> Gnomebaker and Graveman are both good but have different goals.
[08:10] <Amaranth> lunitik: Oh, I thought that was a fronend to cdrecord too. :P
[08:11] <thechitowncubs> Anywas, no luck with skype on gnome?
[08:11] <Amaranth> lunitik: Anyway, libburn > * ;)
[08:11] <ben__> any files that i shouldn't over-write transferring Firefox settings from WinXP?
[08:11] <lunitik> Amaranth: not so much
[08:11] <masa> holy_cow, konsole is just an example. Every kde application have strange settings by default. I'll try to start up Control Center and see if it helps when i load a theme.
[08:11] <holy_cow> ben... over write?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: gnomebaker works fine as user here
[08:11] <holy_cow> well just backup all the firefox stuff, but you only want to bring over your bookmarks
[08:12] <kangpeh> isn't NEROBURN available in linux now
[08:12] <kangpeh> heh
[08:12] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: for me, it starts up and then crashes
[08:12] <ben__> holy_cow, i want to transfer over all my settings...
[08:12] <lunitik> kangpeh: its a gtk1.2 app though...  :/
[08:12] <Agrajag> no segfault or anything
[08:12] <Amaranth> ben__: You want to keep /home/<yourusername>/.mozilla/
[08:12] <kangpeh> oh :(
[08:12] <Agrajag> nero is also not free
[08:12] <masa> holy_cow, do you know the difference in installing the kde stuff with apt-get / synaptic and installing kubuntu from the installation cd?
[08:12] <ben__> i know
[08:12] <Amaranth> ben__: You can ditch the rest.
[08:12] <kangpeh> ben
[08:12] <holy_cow> masa, ahh, kcontrol then, give it a try, i've had kde apps sometimes loose icons and things but i always thought it was becasuse i ran sarge so ... right now its all good
[08:12] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: interesting - graveman does that for me ;)
[08:12] <ben__> K
[08:12] <kangpeh> i just copied the entire thing
[08:12] <kangpeh> over from the windows to the linux lol
[08:13] <ben__> had some problems with it in SuSE... i'll see how it goes
[08:13] <holy_cow> masa, there are no differences, kubuntu just loads up a metapackage and ignores gnome
[08:13] <EvilIdler> Nero for Linux is pretty simplistic. It's got an OK interface, but no MD5 checking or any options beyond just recording CDs and DVDs
[08:13] <holy_cow> ben__, ah! well just make sure you have your .mozilla folder backed up ... try and overwrite everything, see what happens
[08:13] <masa> holy_cow, ah thanks, that was the answer I was hoping for ;)
[08:14] <lunitik> EvilIdler: the fact that its gtk1.x is enough to ensure most won't use it...
[08:14] <holy_cow> ben__, i've never actually tried to do 'all my settings' just bookmarks, all the other stuff is like 3 clicks and some of those plugins
[08:14] <epicenter> Crimsun: where do I get that accursed ALSA 1.0.9rc2 pack from again?
[08:14] <EvilIdler> lunitik: That sort of thing doesn't really affect me for a simple program
[08:14] <epicenter> That seems to have been trimmed off by my exceedingly small scrollback buffer
[08:14] <ben__> holy_cow, never done anything to any system without backing up online file storage and CD first ;^)
[08:15] <masa> holy_cow, I get this message: Package kcontrol has no available version, but exists in the database.   Has it been replaced with another package?
[08:15] <holy_cow> ben__, *high five* hehe :) i gotta say it, you never wanna make enemies by having people delete their files
[08:15] <lunitik> masa: still warty? without universe enabled? else that makes no sense...
[08:15] <masa> Installed hoary preview
[08:15] <holy_cow> do you know that some dude in louisiana got killed with an ipod when he deleted his girlfriends illegal mp3's from her ipod?
[08:16] <whiskey_2> epicenter, you should email AMD and tell them that you can really feel a difference between 32bit and 64bit....they will be glad to hear this
[08:16] <holy_cow> its a dangerous thing messing with peoples files :)
[08:16] <lunitik> masa: yeah... kcontrol is in main in hoary... there is no reason you'd get that message..
[08:16] <Amaranth> holy_cow, ben__: This is why you put /home on a different partition. You can wipe the distro without wiping your files and settings.
[08:16] <masa> lunitik, hm, what's going on then....??
[08:16] <lunitik> masa: no idea  :/
[08:16] <holy_cow> Amaranth, lol i learned the value of that last week infact, when i decided to try ubuntu on my office workstation
[08:16] <holy_cow> <-- moron
[08:16] <masa> lunitik, I just made an package database update
[08:17] <ben__> i learned all of that the hard way...
[08:17] <crimsun> epicenter: link on alsa-project.org
[08:17] <ben__> hence- paranoia
[08:17] <westyvw> ah linux
[08:17] <westyvw> ubuntu yet another bunch of work
[08:17] <Amaranth> ben__, holy_cow: Ubuntu does it by default if you let it use the whole drive (let it set things up for you)
[08:17] <westyvw> hotpluggy no see the usb drive, and whats the deal without /mnt
[08:18] <Amaranth> westyvw: We have /media
[08:18] <holy_cow> Amaranth, really?
[08:18] <ben__> westyvw: same problem
[08:18] <holy_cow> no shit!
[08:18] <crimsun> it's LSB compliance
[08:18] <holy_cow> Amaranth, thats awesome
[08:18] <Amaranth> lunitik: The devs got the weekend off, you can wait. :)
[08:18] <lunitik> crimsun: LSB defines FHS?
[08:18] <westyvw> allright, i will edit fstab accordingly and see if that works, is hotlplug included by default
[08:18] <holy_cow> hehehe :) yah man, last week was hard on em
[08:19] <holy_cow> give em 'till wednesday to get back into the swing of things on top of that :)
[08:19] <westyvw> and btw my laptop is no better off then it was in anything else, I will still have to run custom scripts to get the fans working right
[08:19] <luke> how can I restart the gnome-panel?
[08:19] <crimsun> lunitik: afaik, that's a portion, but I could be wrong
[08:19] <holy_cow> luke killall nautilus
[08:19] <Amaranth> luke: Log out and back in is the best way.
[08:19] <holy_cow> or was it killall panel ???
[08:19] <holy_cow> one ofthose two
[08:19] <Amaranth> holy_cow: That doesn't kill gnome-panel
[08:19] <lunitik> luke: pkill -HUP gnome-panel && gnome-panel &
[08:19] <kangpeh> killall gnome-panel
[08:19] <kangpeh> it will restart by itself
[08:19] <holy_cow> oh there you go :)
[08:19] <Amaranth> lunitik: gnome-panel will restart itself
[08:20] <Amaranth> oh, someone else said that
[08:20] <lunitik> Amaranth: not always... specially not with -HUP  :P
[08:20] <holy_cow> now thats what i call a help channel :)
[08:20] <Amaranth> killing gnome-panel is _not_ reccomended
[08:20] <luke> awesome thanks guys :D
[08:20] <westyvw> so if i move the auto config media up higher in the fstab it becomes static right?
[08:20] <kangpeh> nah its ok dont worry hehe
[08:20] <lunitik> Amaranth: cool... but it works
[08:20] <Amaranth> lunitik: It kills GAIM and messes up at least rhythmbox and blam
[08:20] <epicenter> whiskey_1: I think AMD knows :D
[08:21] <Amaranth> lunitik: And probably anything else that uses the notification area
[08:21] <luke> wow this is so much beter than xandros lol the help that is. theres like 6 guys in the channel :P
[08:21] <lunitik> crimsun: last I checked on LSB, it wasn't defining FHS
[08:21] <ben__> good greif... i just lost FF conpletely
[08:21] <lunitik> Amaranth: no it doesn't... they just aren't in the system tray anymore  :/
[08:21] <ben__> *completely
[08:22] <Amaranth> lunitik: blam isn't, rhythmbox is but it's tray icon doesn't work, gaim just dies completely (exits)
[08:22] <lunitik> Amaranth: the apps could care less about that... you don't even have to have a notification area...
[08:22] <Amaranth> oh, and some things on the panel come back weird
[08:22] <kpjones> does anyone how to get sound to play with mp3
[08:23] <lunitik> Amaranth: not here... it just opens up (ie, contact list shows up)
[08:23] <Amaranth> kpjones: enable universe, sudo apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[08:23] <Amaranth> lunitik: You're lucky then.
[08:23] <lunitik> Amaranth: have you actually tried it? cuz little of what you say actually is correct...
[08:23] <Amaranth> lunitik: I do it several times a day, gamin blows.
[08:23] <kpjones> i ran that script
[08:24] <Amaranth> lunitik: So my menu editor changes don't come up until i kill it.
[08:25] <masa> lunitik, hmm... This is not good... Shouldn't it be possible to upgrade to hoary stable from the preview version?
[08:25] <Amaranth> lunitik: One time my clock came up on the other side of my notification area (not called a system tray, that's windows talk)
[08:25] <lunitik> masa: 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' and you're running hoary release
[08:25] <holy_cow>  that's windows talk  <-- lol and banned
[08:25] <holy_cow> *ahem*
[08:25] <masa> lunitik, do I have strange sources in the /etc/apt/sources-list file?
[08:25] <holy_cow> :)
[08:26] <holy_cow> Amaranth, i've had that in sarge a lot actually
[08:26] <lunitik> masa: umm... prolly not?
[08:26] <Amaranth> holy_cow: The clock applet moving?
[08:26] <whiskey_2> well it looks like there is a lot more to this than merely boasting rights
[08:26] <Amaranth> whiskey_2: ?
[08:26] <masa> lunitik, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:26] <holy_cow> Amaranth, yes, as well as my app shortcuts also
[08:26] <lunitik> Amaranth: blah... 'system tray' = less charactors than 'notification area'  *shrug* ... and you knew what I meant
[08:26] <holy_cow> and sometimes applets
[08:27] <rOss^32> any reason why my alsa sounds like its in SLOWMO ?
[08:27] <whiskey_2> Amaranth, epicenter says 64bits feels much faster than 32bits and this was totally unexpected
[08:27] <holy_cow> additional applets i mean
[08:27] <lunitik> masa: thats normal... they don't upgrade things after release
[08:27] <epicenter> damn right
[08:27] <masa> lunitik, It seems like I have the swedish mirror in my sources.list
[08:27] <crimsun> lunitik: LSB doesn't, no, but it may extend FHS. http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_2.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/execenvfhs.html
[08:27] <rOss^32> its a cool effect but not welcomed
[08:27] <Amaranth> whiskey_2: How could that be unexpected? :)
[08:27] <masa> lunitik, yeah, but it proves that I have successfully upgraded to the stable release, doesn't it?
[08:27] <whiskey_2> Amaranth, well i frankly don't see where the speed comes from...but apparently it is there
[08:28] <epicenter> 64-bit processing is quicker, it's not just higher memory ceilings.
[08:28] <whiskey_2> Amaranth, considering it takes twice as long to load the registers
[08:28] <ben__> OK, working now
[08:28] <ben__> had to manually remove all restrictions from each file
[08:28] <Amaranth> whiskey_2: It's not so much the 64-bit part as the new x86 tweaks (amd64 it just an x86 extension) and extra registers
[08:28] <lunitik> masa: uhh... yeah...
[08:28] <whiskey_2> Amaranth, i don't know...but those 64bit guys really know what they are doing
[08:29] <epicenter> Kind of like SSE or 3DNow but faster speed in integer and float processing
[08:29] <Amaranth> whiskey_2: Err, I don't know what that means.
[08:29] <epicenter> not just multimedia extensions
[08:29] <epicenter> Like an extended instruction set that isn't limited to say, vector processing.
[08:29] <Amaranth> epicenter: k8 should be better than k7, yeah :)
[08:29] <epicenter> yep
[08:29] <epicenter> though core wise they aren't much different
[08:29] <epicenter> K8 is based on K7.
[08:29] <epicenter> The biggest change is the on-die memory controller hub
[08:29] <masa> lunitik, how should a proper sources.list file look like to get kcontrol installed?
[08:30] <Amaranth> It's a k7 with optimizations for x86, the 64-bit extensions, more registers, etc
[08:30] <[ib] > whiskey_2: actually, instead of pushing/poping register values onto the stack all the time you can just keep them in the new registers = speed up
[08:30] <lunitik> masa: its in main... so its pretty unlikely you don't have it...
[08:30] <epicenter> Things will be quicker for apps WRITTEN for 64-bit CPUS
[08:30] <epicenter> rather than later recompiled for them
[08:30] <epicenter> especially apps written in low-level x64 ASM.
[08:30] <whiskey_2> [ib] , well however they did it...people seem to notice a difference and not arbitrarily concocted statistics
[08:31] <epicenter> I am an advocate of denying the validity of 'by the seat of your pants' testing
[08:31] <masa> lunitik, deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[08:31] <icebalm> whiskey_2: the speed increases for 64bit apps is real
[08:31] <Amaranth> epicenter: You aren't smarter than gcc. Most people aren't.
[08:31] <epicenter> but this is too appalling a speed increase to deny Even with an eye as skeptical as mine
[08:31] <whiskey_2> icebalm, apparently so
[08:31] <masa> lunitik, like that?
[08:31] <epicenter> yes, but GCC has no creativity.
[08:31] <crimsun> appalling or appealing?
[08:31] <Amaranth> epicenter: You'd be surprised.
[08:31] <Mischung> Need some password help--not the "where is my root" variety. Installed Hoary just fine but can't log in with username and password I entered during install. Suggestions?
[08:31] <lunitik> masa: you should have a listing like that ... but that just says 'hoary', not 'hoary-updates' :/
[08:32] <epicenter> An app coded for a 32-bit CPU will run faster rewritten for 64-bit ones, than just compiled for faster.
[08:32] <epicenter> There are optimizations GCC can't apply because they go beyond optimization
[08:32] <epicenter> and into total rewrites of key algorithms
[08:32] <epicenter> like those used for say, MPEG-4 encoding.
[08:32] <icebalm> Mischung: old init=/bin/sh trick and change your password
[08:32] <Amaranth> epicenter: Um, gcc doesn't write algorithms.
[08:32] <masa> lunitik, Ahhh now it works
[08:32] <JavaManiac> how can i connect to a adsl modem but for usb port??
[08:32] <Mischung> icebalm:  Thank you!
[08:32] <epicenter> Amaranth: That's my point :P
[08:32] <masa> lunitik, I didn't have hoary only hoary-updates
[08:32] <masa> lunitik, thnx
[08:33] <epicenter> the fact that GCC can't do that, means a person must. Meaning GCC 'being smarter' .. isn't all the difference in the world.
[08:33] <KoMpLoT> Hi, I've just installed ubuntu and would like to know if xfce4 is installed by default because it isn't shown in gdm's sessions options...
[08:33] <JavaManiac> how can i connect to a adsl modem but for usb port??
[08:33] <epicenter> And why we can expect 64-bit apps to be quicker when WRITTEN for 64-bit hardware.
[08:33] <lunitik> masa: that would do it... you still want the hoary-updates part though.
[08:33] <masa> lunitik, now I have kcontrol installed ;)
[08:33] <Amaranth> epicenter: But that has nothing to do with switching to 64-bit.
[08:33] <lunitik> masa: good job  :/
[08:33] <masa> lunitik, sure ;)
[08:33] <ygnome> well done ubuntu! Cleanest no-cd-drive install I've ever done!
[08:33] <martinjh99> komplot> apt-get install xfce4
[08:33] <epicenter> Right now it doesn't.
[08:33] <Amaranth> epicenter: gcc figures out how to use the registers, the algorithm is written in C
[08:33] <lunitik> ygnome: devels aren't around... so congratulations are useless right now  :(
[08:34] <Amaranth> epicenter: I don't know if I've said this enough yet but AMD64 is just an x86 with 64-bit extensions. :)
[08:34] <icebalm> epicenter: I think Amaranth means gcc is smarter than you at compiling C code into machine language and taking proper advantage of the new instruction/register set
[08:34] <Amaranth> icebalm: Exactly.
[08:34] <Amaranth> There is no need to writen x86-64 ASM for 99.99999999999999% of your applications.
[08:35] <Amaranth> Probably more than that, actually. :)
[08:35] <ygnome> lunitik: thanks for the cold water. Would you like ice with that?
[08:35] <icebalm> recompile should be fine
[08:35] <lunitik> ygnome: sure, if you're offering?
[08:35] <masa> lunitik, thanks for the help.
[08:35] <epicenter> There are a lot of people who would argue with you on that; I'm one of them. But I have to try and unfuck my audio ;D
[08:36] <Amaranth> epicenter: It all comes down to gcc being smarter than you are producing machine code for the AMD64. :)
[08:36] <crimsun> historically the trend has pushed toward more efficient compilers
[08:36] <epicenter> I'm saing if the code was written in x86-ASM already
[08:36] <epicenter> a lot of components in programs that need maximum speed are.
[08:36] <martinjh99> Guys anyone know how to change the default browser to Mozilla in KDE?
[08:36] <epicenter> e.g. the looped encoding functions in an MPEG encoder as I mentioned earlier
[08:36] <icebalm> who writes in straight ASM anymore unless you're doing seriously low level stuff?
[08:37] <epicenter> Speed fanatics
[08:37] <libben> whats the diffrence between mozilla and firefox?
[08:37] <Amaranth> epicenter: Let me know we you rewrite GNOME in asm
[08:37] <lunitik> martinjh99: set it in File Assosiations in kcontrol
[08:37] <deFrysk> martinjh99, /j #kubuntu
[08:37] <libben> i thought they were the same
[08:37] <epicenter> Firefox is a branch-off from Mozilla.
[08:37] <epicenter> Firefox stresses higher speed and usability
[08:37] <Amaranth> Mozilla suite is dead
[08:37] <epicenter> Mozilla stresses standards and practices :P
[08:37] <epicenter> and .. yes, is dead.
[08:37] <lunitik> martinjh99: I think its under KDE Components
[08:37] <martinjh99> Thanks guys... :)
[08:37] <Chaotic_Reality> anyone know if it's possible to specify an alternate port in evolution?
[08:37] <libben> anyone played flightgear?
[08:37] <Chaotic_Reality> for outgoing mail
[08:37] <lunitik> Amaranth: bah, not yet  :P
[08:38] <epicenter> Amaranth: if you read what I said, you'd see only bits and pieces of things are ASM Now. Like a looped encoding function. Never a whole program.
[08:38] <Amaranth> Firefox stresses speed, usability, and standards. Don't know what you mean by practices.
[08:38] <epicenter> Idealism :P
[08:38] <epicenter> See: Slow and old crap no one wants to use now
[08:38] <drspin> evenin all
[08:38] <epicenter> also see: Anything a user nowadays would find "cumbersome and no longer practical"
[08:38] <lunitik> And, Gecko supports many IE-ism's, so it doesn't stess standards very much  :/
[08:38] <epicenter> It's just easier to say 'old'.
[08:38] <Amaranth> epicenter: The only time ASM is used is when you're doing embedded stuff.
[08:39] <epicenter> There are some exceptions
[08:39] <Amaranth> epicenter: for 99.99999999999999999999999% of applications
[08:39] <epicenter> But most of the time you don't see it on desktop programs
[08:39] <epicenter> you love that number, you know that? ;)
[08:39] <Amaranth> Most of the time you don't see it at all, because people know gcc is smarter than them and that developer time is worth more than machine time.
[08:39] <lunitik> sufferer: don't irc as root
[08:39] <crimsun> In my research area, only kernels are hand-tuned, and even that's extremely niche. All of our scientific programs use a HLL.
[08:40] <drspin> I have a couple questions -- first of all shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001
[08:40] <drspin> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001
[08:40] <drspin> hw_random hardware driver 1.0.0 loaded
[08:40] <drspin> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: Unlink after no-IRQ?  Different ACPI or APIC settings may help.
[08:40] <drspin> usb 1-1: khubd timed out on ep0in
[08:40] <drspin> Those are errors that occur with hotplug...
[08:40] <deFrysk> ermmm #flood ?
[08:40] <crimsun> drspin: do you have PCI Express?
[08:41] <drspin> crimsun: no
[08:41] <sufferer> lunitik, yeah
[08:41] <crimsun> drspin: then disregard them.
[08:41] <sufferer> I don
[08:41] <sufferer> t care any more :-)
[08:41] <lunitik> drspin: add shpchp and pciehp to /etc/hotplug/blacklilst
[08:41] <sufferer> my system is hosed
[08:41] <lunitik> drspin: add shpchp and pciehp to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[08:41] <drspin> crimsun: ok -- thanks :)
[08:41] <drspin> sorry bout the flood BTW...
[08:42] <drspin> didn't think first...
[08:42] <drspin> lunitik: thanks man :)
[08:42] <lunitik> drspin: if you add those to blacklist, they won't come up as errors during boot...
[08:43] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  How can I determine on the command line if the WEP key I have set is correct (without waiting for dhclient to time out)?  Any ideas?
[08:43] <epicenter> I enabled universe and nothing that was before is coming up. WTF?
[08:43] <epicenter> I can't get VLC, alsa-source, any of the fun stuff.
[08:43] <epicenter> heads will roll for this blasphemy!
[08:43] <epicenter> ... or not
[08:43] <fallstorm> epicenter, did you apt-get update?
[08:43] <drspin> epicenter: apt-get update
[08:43] <epicenter> verily, I did.
[08:43] <luke> anyone heard of kde for ubuntu?
[08:43] <drspin> luke: #kubuntu
[08:43] <fallstorm> luke, #kubuntu
[08:43] <lunitik> luke: yes... #kubuntu
[08:43] <epicenter> forget it, simple problem
[08:43] <epicenter> bwahahahahah
[08:44] <deFrysk> err #kubuntu ?
[08:44] <luke> ok thanks
[08:44] <drspin> np
[08:44] <drspin> LOL "client quit"
[08:45] <libben> when will there be a update for flightgear... man ... love it....
[08:45] <Amaranth> lunitik: Pfft, I don't care. :)
[08:45] <Amaranth> Travis Watkins - Email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- MSN<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:46] <Amaranth> spam away, i have spamassassin and thunderbird :)
[08:46] <lunitik> Amaranth: >:|
[08:46] <lunitik> Amaranth: "You have been added to our spam lists, thank you for your interest"
[08:46] <Amaranth> heh
[08:46] <drspin> lmao
[08:47] <Amaranth> i only accept IMs from people in my buddy list, gmail spam filtering has been 99% accurate for me in the 8 months i've had it, etc
[08:47] <epicenter> Is there a good reason my kernel sources would not be included in a fresh Hoary AMD64 install?
[08:47] <Jerub> Amaranth: I find mine quite innaccurate faced with that variety of python-list
[08:47] <epicenter> /usr/src/linux is nonexistant and alsa-source is whining.
[08:47] <Jerub> Amaranth: I get 5-6 false positves a week.
[08:47] <lunitik> epicenter: because users have no use for source
[08:48] <epicenter> well, it was there last time :P
[08:48] <dimatrod> ok, im a complete noob on linux, so ill get this over with:  how do you install .tgz files on ubuntu?
[08:48] <crimsun> epicenter: you don't use /usr/src/linux. Install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:48] <Amaranth> Jerub: I had a couple from pearpc-devel when I first got it, marked one as not spam and now they all work fine.
[08:48] <lunitik> epicenter: 'apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10'
[08:48] <Amaranth> Jerub: Thus 99 and not 100. :)
[08:48] <epicenter> I'll have to point it to a different dir, I assume.
[08:48] <epicenter> It defaults to /usr/src/linux.
[08:49] <fallstorm> dimatrod, what you downloaded is a source package
[08:49] <lunitik> epicenter: do as me and crimsun said
[08:49] <fallstorm> You can unpack it with tar -xzvf filename
[08:49] <crimsun> epicenter: are you using upstream source directly or debianized source?
[08:49] <epicenter> ah
[08:49] <dimatrod> and how do you do that
[08:49] <epicenter> I figured it would throw it somewhere else.
[08:49] <fallstorm> but "installing" it isn't easy and may be beyond your scope at this point, since you proclaimed you're a linux newbie
[08:49] <epicenter> more obscure.
[08:49] <fallstorm> What is it that you downloaded?
[08:49] <epicenter> I don't know how to answer that
[08:49] <epicenter> alsa 1.0.9 rc2's source
[08:50] <crimsun> epicenter: so you're running ./configure manually?
[08:50] <Amaranth> wait, a linux newbie is trying lecture me on asm and gcc? :)
[08:50] <dimatrod> i downloaded divx4linux
[08:50] <epicenter> nah, making a .dbe ...
[08:50] <epicenter> *deb.
[08:50] <cartman> any ETA on breezy development starting?
[08:50] <epicenter> Amaranth: I'm not lecturing you on anything
[08:50] <epicenter> and I've been using debian for 4 years
[08:50] <epicenter> and BSD for 6
[08:50] <dimatrod> yeah, i can't also open my nvidia drivers.deb
[08:50] <crimsun> epicenter: you'll still need KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[08:50] <fallstorm> dimatrod, you should try looking for a package file first. Are you trying to play dvds with ubuntu?
[08:50] <lunitik> cartman: apparently when they get back from break  :(
[08:50] <dimatrod> no, play avi files
[08:50] <cartman> lunitik: when would that be? :/
[08:50] <epicenter> I think that's what I was using
[08:50] <crimsun> cartman: 2-3 weeks
[08:50] <fallstorm> ah
[08:51] <icebalm> epicenter: 4 years of linux and you're a newbie?
[08:51] <cartman> crimsun: oh
[08:51] <cartman> bah
[08:51] <cartman> thats too long
[08:51] <lunitik> crimsun: gdi... thats a long time  :(
[08:51] <epicenter> I was using:
[08:51] <epicenter> ./debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[08:51] <dimatrod> i installed defilerpak for windows on my comp, and now i need something alike for linux
[08:51] <crimsun> lunitik: well, it was pretty rough going for a long time. I'd say 2 weeks is a nice break.
[08:51] <cartman> dimatrod: what does it do?
[08:51] <Amaranth> cartman: You could offer money to make them start sooner.
[08:51] <epicenter> icebalm: HE said I was, I didn't
[08:51] <dimatrod> defiler pak?
[08:51] <epicenter> it's a codec back
[08:51] <icebalm> epicenter: ahh
[08:51] <lunitik> crimsun: I heard they only got the weekend off?
[08:51] <epicenter> pack
[08:51] <Amaranth> cartman: Otherwise I'd say be happy with what you got. :)
[08:51] <dimatrod> contains almost all video codecds
[08:51] <dimatrod> yeah
[08:52] <dimatrod> pak
[08:52] <cartman> Amaranth: yeah and people could offer me money for fixing KDE bugs :P
[08:52] <epicenter> the sh/sc fave.
[08:52] <vincent> Hi everybody.
[08:52] <dimatrod> i use that
[08:52] <epicenter> hola.
[08:52] <dimatrod> sh/sc
[08:52] <cartman> dimatrod: search for marillat+debian
[08:52] <epicenter> crimsun: That look OK?
[08:52] <dimatrod> but didnt get that much of a help
[08:52] <crimsun> lunitik: I was referring to the uploading :)
[08:52] <Amaranth> cartman: I should start charging $$$ for my menu editor too. :)
[08:52] <vincent> I just signed in really quick because I need some help.  Should I go to a different channel?
[08:52] <cartman> Amaranth: yeah see ;)
[08:52] <KoMpLoT> Hi, I'm trying to 'apt-get install xfce4' and it says that xfce4 package wasn't found
[08:52] <crimsun> epicenter: looks good as long as build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) are installed
[08:52] <epicenter> Compiling now. Odd that I didn't change anything.
[08:52] <KoMpLoT> what can I do?
[08:52] <dimatrod> yeah, and i needed the menu editor for nvidia drivers
[08:52] <crimsun> KoMpLoT: enable universe.
[08:52] <Amaranth> cartman: I could charge $$$$ for PyMusique. :)
[08:52] <dimatrod> but couldnt work it
[08:52] <KoMpLoT> crimsun, how?
[08:52] <lunitik> crimsun: ;)   it only took a few days last time  :(
[08:53] <dimatrod> cause i needed to open a gz
[08:53] <cartman> Amaranth: you are one of PyFoo team?
[08:53] <lunitik> dimatrod: what did you download?
[08:53] <Amaranth> PyFoo team? wtf is that?
[08:53] <KoMpLoT> enable universe shows this error:
[08:53] <martinjh99> komplot> Try editing your /etc/apt/sources.list and enable universe repo
[08:53] <vincent> It's a quick problem--I just need help setting up my gamepad
[08:53] <crimsun> lunitik: I don't know about you, but I'm quite enjoying my weekend break from uploading to universe/multiverse
[08:53] <lunitik> dimatrod: chances are you don't want to install a .tgz
[08:53] <dimatrod> well, anyhow, what can i use to open my avis?
[08:53] <cartman> Amaranth: PyMusique :) lazy to write it :p
[08:53] <KoMpLoT> bash: enable: universe: not a shell builtin
[08:53] <Amaranth> heh
[08:53] <KoMpLoT> alright
[08:53] <epicenter> Dimatrod: VLC is nice
[08:53] <Amaranth> yeah, i'm one of them
[08:53] <dimatrod> k
[08:53] <epicenter> And you don't need drivers
[08:53] <epicenter> VLC has its own.
[08:53] <epicenter> *codecs
[08:53] <epicenter> not drivers
[08:53] <cartman> Amaranth: thumbs up! I am getting an iPod photo soon ;)
[08:54] <icebalm> Amaranth: menu editor did you say?
[08:54] <epicenter> have a lot of cash to throw around, cartman?
[08:54] <lunitik> crimsun: bah... I've been stuck with the same versions for too long... after 4 years with SID, I crave new software  :P
[08:54] <vincent> Anybody?  No?
[08:54] <cartman> epicenter: birthday present
[08:54] <crimsun> KoMpLoT: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[08:54] <Amaranth> icebalm: Yeah, it's in the menu editor forum under 3rd party projects on ubuntu forums
[08:54] <KoMpLoT> crimsun, thanks
[08:54] <Amaranth> cartman: Buy me one. :)
[08:54] <dimatrod> thanks epicenter, im downloading vlc now
[08:54] <cartman> Amaranth: bah go buy a mini :)
[08:54] <crimsun> lunitik: and we'll unleash them
[08:55] <Amaranth> cartman: No job, makes that a challenge. :)
[08:55] <cartman> Amaranth: Port PyMusique to PyKDE and I can see what can I do ;)
[08:56] <epicenter>      dpkg: error processing alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_amd64.deb (--install):
[08:56] <epicenter>  trying to overwrite `/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-amd64-generic/modules.pcimap', which is also in package linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) .. Errors were encountered while processing: alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_amd64.deb
[08:56] <vincent> Gah.  I'm not trying to get flamed here.  Is there somewhere else I should go to get my gamepad working?
[08:56] <epicenter> is that worth worrying about?
[08:56] <crimsun> epicenter: --force-overwrite
[08:56] <vincent> To get help getting my gamepad to work anyway
[08:56] <dimatrod> which should i choose, a .deb, the tar.gz, or rpm?
[08:56] <drspin> vincent... what is the problem??
[08:56] <Amaranth> cartman: Hehe, I'll do it from $50. ;)
[08:56] <Amaranth> s/from/for/
[08:56] <epicenter> rebooting
[08:56] <crimsun> epicenter: expected problem and thus not critical or even serious.
[08:56] <cartman> Amaranth: lol thats cheap indeed :)
[08:56] <epicenter> Wish me luck.
[08:56] <lunitik> dimatrod: a .deb... ALWAYS a .deb on a Debian-based system
[08:57] <dimatrod> k, thanks
[08:57] <icebalm> drspin: $10 says he says "it doesn't work"
[08:57] <lunitik> dimatrod: you should check with apt-get though whether its already available
[08:57] <vincent> Well:
[08:57] <cartman> Amaranth: ewwww
[08:57] <cartman> :P
[08:57] <lunitik> dimatrod: you still didn't even tell me what you are trying to download
[08:57] <Xgates> boy this is getting OLD
[08:57] <Xgates> lol
[08:57] <drspin> icedid you already help him??
[08:57] <vincent> Im not sure which module to load in order to get gamepad support
[08:57] <dimatrod> lunitil: now im downloading vlc
[08:57] <drspin> icebalm: did you help him already??
[08:57] <vincent> it's an old Gravis gamepad
[08:58] <Xgates> I cant get the friggin Gnome desktop to let me change the resolution, and running xorgconfig then I cant get the gdm to start
[08:58] <icebalm> drspin: no
[08:58] <Xgates> hmmm
[08:58] <drspin> I have a gravis gamepad :)
[08:58] <vincent> heh
[08:58] <lunitik> dimatrod: 'apt-get install vlc' ... it is in universe
[08:58] <vincent> REALLY.  Didn't think anybody had these anymore.
[08:58] <drspin> vincent: mine works fine :)
[08:58] <vincent> I didn't install Ubuntu with it plugged in for some reason or another
[08:58] <drspin> vincent: I do a lot of SNES emulation -- it just happens to be set up with the same BTN configuration
[08:58] <Amaranth> Xgates: Did I mention your monitor sucks? :) It's a pain to explain what to do over IRC when I'm not in front of a linux system.
[08:58] <vincent> That's exactly what I want it for as a matter of fact
[08:59] <vincent> can't get ZSNES to recognize it.
[08:59] <dimatrod> lunitik:  i ran sudo apt-get install vlc
[08:59] <Xgates> Amaranth: it doesnt suck I ran it just fine in Slackware
[08:59] <dimatrod> but didnt get
[08:59] <dimatrod> i
[08:59] <cartman> yeah buy an LCD like me ;P
[08:59] <dimatrod> t
[08:59] <drspin> vincent: sudo ln -s /dev/input/js0 /dev/js0
[08:59] <drspin> vincent: at every boot like clockwork :)
[08:59] <benplaut> the first Hoary review!
[08:59] <benplaut> http://forevergeek.com/articles/ubuntu_504_hoary_hedgehog_review.php
[08:59] <lunitik> dimatrod: enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:59] <Amaranth> Xgates: Did you try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[08:59] <lunitik> benplaut: bah... there have already been like 4 that I know of
[09:00] <Amaranth> benplaut: Bad review. I don't think he spent more than an hour using the distro.
[09:00] <cartman> Amaranth: you hate C++ or just KDE?
[09:00] <Xgates> Amaranth: ok let me try that
[09:00] <epicenter> Ah, sound!
[09:00] <epicenter> It's never sounded soundier.
[09:00] <lunitik> Amaranth: debconf is set to priority high ... useless for him
[09:00] <Amaranth> cartman: I don't hate C++ or C, I just prefer Python. :) I just don't like KDE.
[09:00] <cartman> Amaranth: ok good :)
[09:00] <vincent> drspin: I'm relatively new to linux--been using it off and on for a year or so now.
[09:00] <Amaranth> lunitik: d'oh, i thought reconfigure set it to low for that session
[09:00] <epicenter> Crimsun: Thanks a ton for all of your help. I can't thank you enough. :)
[09:00] <drspin> vincent: no worries -- are you using gsnes9x??
[09:00] <drspin> snes9x frontend?
[09:01] <lunitik> Amaranth: nah
[09:01] <dimatrod> lunitik:  it didnt let me, it appears as read only, so it wont let me edit
[09:01] <Amaranth> lunitik: The man pages make it sound like it does. :)
[09:01] <Xgates> brb
[09:01] <vincent> drspin: nope, just zsnes.  I couldn't get snes9x of any flavor to work with my machine
[09:01] <crimsun> epicenter: excellent.
[09:01] <lunitik> dimatrod: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list  :/
[09:01] <dimatrod> lunitik:  is there a way to edit .lists through terminal?
[09:01] <drspin> vincent: bummer -- I've been using snes9x for YEARS...
[09:01] <drspin> LOL
[09:01] <drspin> always been the "better" IMHO
[09:02] <drspin> vincent: is your gamepad USB?
[09:02] <vincent> drspin: once i've linked those files, should I reboot to get it to work?  It's still a no go.
[09:02] <drspin> vincent: no reboot
[09:02] <drspin> they may be about the same... snes9x is no longer in development...
[09:02] <drspin> hasn't  been for about a year now...
[09:02] <lunitik> drspin: ahh
[09:02] <drspin> I think...
[09:02] <drspin> unless something changed again :/
[09:03] <vincent> drspin: nope, not USB.  I forget the acronym.  the 15-pin now.
[09:03] <drspin> LOL
[09:03] <dimatrod> lunitik:  error, could not save
[09:03] <drspin> what kind of soundcard?
[09:03] <mcrawfor> yo - installed hoary, it worked great.
[09:03] <lunitik> dimatrod: you typed what I said?
[09:03] <dimatrod> lunitik: yes
[09:03] <vincent> the the VIA crap card that came with the machine
[09:03] <drspin> vincent: what kind of soundcard?
[09:03] <mcrawfor> i was told, though, that a framebuffer bootscreen would come with that upgrade
[09:03] <vincent> 82xx
[09:03] <lunitik> dimatrod: you can't have  :/
[09:03] <mcrawfor> didn't seem to - how can I enable that?
[09:03] <dimatrod> lunitik: it opened the text editor on the sources.list, but was on blank
[09:04] <vincent> drspin: yeah, I use snes9x under Windows, but zsnes worked off the bat for me in Linux
[09:04] <drspin> vincent: ??? paste $lspci |grep audio
[09:04] <lunitik> dimatrod: 'gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'  <-- copy and paste this... sounds like you typed it wrong...
[09:04] <drspin> vincent: I didn't have any trouble with it...
[09:04] <drspin> that link is what I had to do to get my gamepad working...
[09:05] <drspin> that's it...
[09:05] <vincent> drspin: 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 40)
[09:05] <dimatrod> lunitik thats on terminal, huh?
[09:05] <lunitik> dimatrod: yes
[09:05] <epicenter> It sounds better than windows ...
[09:05] <epicenter> less hiss.
[09:05] <epicenter> How odd.
[09:05] <dimatrod> lunitik: yeah, same as the last time
[09:05] <dimatrod> blank text editor
[09:05] <lunitik> dimatrod: or via 'Run application...'...
[09:06] <lunitik> dimatrod: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:06] <sufferer> how do I get the ubuntu pgp key
[09:06] <sufferer> ... is there a way to import it into update-manager?
[09:06] <mcrawfor> does anyone have a framebuffer boot screen?
[09:06] <crimsun> sufferer: it's installed by default in Hoary
[09:06] <Xgates> what is 128mb in KB?
[09:06] <Xgates> forgot
[09:06] <Xgates> 130.. somthing
[09:06] <dimatrod> lunitik:  now it opened the original text on the terminal
[09:07] <mkerby> Hi everyone
[09:07] <epicenter> I suppose it's time to install the nVidia driver for my 6600GT. Too bad there's no automated way to do that ;)
[09:07] <sufferer> crimsun, I don't have it
[09:07] <crimsun> epicenter: sure there is, and they're already installed.
[09:07] <hondje> Hi.  I just installed Ubuntu, and I forgot to remember / save my keyboard layout. Google was unhelpful, sadly.  Where can I dig around to find which keyboard in Gnome's options matches mine?
[09:07] <dimatrod> epicenter: tell me how to do that, i need to that for mine too
[09:07] <Chaotic_Reality> does anyone know if you can specify a different outgoing server port inside of evolution?
[09:07] <epicenter> crimsun: the newest ones supporting GL and such?
[09:07] <crimsun> epicenter: all you have to do is enable them. See wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:07] <lunitik> dimatrod: cool... now delete '#' at the beginning of the line that states 'universe'
[09:07] <crimsun> epicenter: 7174
[09:07] <zenrox> epicenter,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for nvidia driver install
[09:07] <epicenter> christ
[09:07] <sufferer> crimsun, it's not there since I updated via apt-get
[09:07] <crimsun> sufferer: what's not there?
[09:07] <sufferer> pgp key
[09:07] <lunitik> dimatrod: save and exit  ... then sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get install vlc  :/
[09:08] <drspin> WHOA -- this is new.....
[09:08] <sufferer> is it on the site?
[09:08] <drspin> cole@TheDesktop:~ $ gksudo gedit /etc/hdparm.conf
[09:08] <drspin> (gedit:11498): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[09:08] <crimsun> sufferer: /etc/apt/, look at the gpg-related files
[09:08] <drspin> I had a bunch of screwed up files and had to run fsck when I booted up... possibly destroyed a part of gnome??
[09:09] <dimatrod> lunitik:  how do i save and quit?
[09:09] <hondje> drspin: I just got the same thing
[09:09] <hondje> But gedit ran
[09:09] <lunitik> dimatrod: follow what it says at the bottem of the screen
[09:09] <dimatrod> i feel like a bitch after feeling so usefull in windows
[09:09] <drspin> gedit ran but it hung and didn't open the specified file...
[09:09] <dimatrod> ^x to exit?
[09:09] <drspin> hung when I closed it at least
[09:09] <lunitik> dimatrod: ^ = ctrl
[09:10] <dimatrod> thanks
[09:10] <hondje> drspin: It didn't hang for me, but it didn't open the right file, either.
[09:10] <dimatrod> lunitik:  what was the comand again?
[09:11] <drspin> hondje: did you have to run fsck??
[09:11] <lunitik> dimatrod: sudo nano?
[09:11] <hondje> drspin: No, I just installed this about an hour ago
[09:11] <drspin> hondje: interesting...
[09:11] <enkidu> could someone tell me how to get tree view in nautilus?  This program doesnt look like it has many features so i have to be missing something
[09:11] <dimatrod> sudo nano apt get....
[09:11] <drspin> enkidu: View -> Side Pane
[09:12] <sufferer> crimsun, I know where it is supposed to be
[09:12] <drspin> enkidu: Change the drop-box to tree
[09:12] <sufferer> the key is not there
[09:12] <enkidu> drspin, there is no View -> Side Pane, its not in the menu
[09:12] <lunitik> dimatrod: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list or apt-get update && apt-get install vlc?
[09:12] <crimsun> sufferer: dpkg -l apt|grep ^ii
[09:13] <dimatrod> vlc
[09:13] <hondje> drspin: It does the same for all files, including ones in ~..and I see what you mean about hanging
[09:13] <lunitik> enkidu: Applications > System Tools > File Browser  .... its nautilus, but in a different mode...
[09:13] <sufferer> 0.6.35ubuntu2
[09:13] <sufferer> the key is not in my ring
[09:14] <drspin> hondje: interesting -- lemme reinstall some stuff
[09:14] <drspin> brb
[09:14] <enkidu> lunitik, thanks that works, but how do i get every other instance of nautilus to open like this?
[09:14] <lunitik> enkidu: then, on the side pane... you can change 'information' (the default) to 'tree'
[09:14] <hondje> drspin: I wonder if that would work..this is literally a fresh install, I just switched from debian today
[09:14] <dimatrod> lunitik:  Type 'universe' is not known on line 17 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:14] <sufferer> GPG error
[09:14] <lunitik> enkidu: you want me to show you the gconf key?
[09:14] <drspin> hondje: I'm going to try to reinstall a couple things and see if I can't figure out what it is...
[09:14] <enkidu> lunitik, whats that?
[09:14] <lunitik> dimatrod: what does that line say now?
[09:14] <hondje> Good luck :-)
[09:14] <dimatrod> ..that
[09:14] <sufferer> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF 437D05B5
[09:14] <sufferer> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[09:15] <dimatrod> diego@jarkorpc:~$ apt-get update && apt-get install vlc
[09:15] <dimatrod> E: Type 'universe' is not known on line 17 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:15] <dimatrod> diego@jarkorpc:~$ apt-get install vlc
[09:15] <dimatrod> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[09:15] <dimatrod> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[09:15] <dimatrod> diego@jarkorpc:~$ apt-get install vlc
[09:15] <dimatrod> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[09:15] <dimatrod> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[09:15] <lunitik> enkidu: Applications > System Tools > Configuration Editor
[09:15] <dimatrod> diego@jarkorpc:~$ sudo apt-get install vlc
[09:15] <dimatrod> E: Type 'universe' is not known on line 17 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:15] <dimatrod> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[09:15] <dimatrod> diego@jarkorpc:~$
[09:15] <lunitik> dimatrod: gdi... I didn't ask for that... I asked what the line in sources.list says now!!!
[09:15] <crimsun> please use #flood for floods
[09:15] <enkidu> lunitik, wow, i didnt even know that existed, i need to look through more of these programs
[09:16] <dimatrod> same but i erased the universe ##
[09:16] <drspin> hondje: I think it's related to Gconf...
[09:16] <dimatrod> as u told me
[09:16] <vincent> drspin: disconnected accidentally.  sorry.  did i miss anything important?
[09:16] <lunitik> enkidu: /apps/nautilus/preferences  "always_use_browser" ... throw a check on that  :)
[09:17] <enkidu> linitik: sweet thanks
[09:17] <crimsun> sufferer: try using a mirror
[09:17] <hondje> drspin: I'd dig around, but I've never messed with gnome until now...been a e/xfce user :-/
[09:17] <lunitik> dimatrod: bah... paste your sources.list to www.pastebin.com
[09:17] <enkidu> one more question, is there a specific thing to do in irc so that the person you are talking to sees your name as bright yellow?
[09:18] <lunitik> enkidu: enclude there name  ;)
[09:18] <lunitik> their
[09:18] <enkidu> lunitik: just like that?
[09:18] <MistaED> hi
[09:18] <lunitik> enkidu: yup
[09:18] <enkidu> sweet, thanks
[09:18] <enkidu> this has been a big improvement over 3 days ago, when i went through like 5 linux distro's and couldnt get any to work
[09:19] <dimatrod> lunitik: done and done
[09:19] <Xgates> oh well Ubuntu wont behave and I guess I'm back to running Slack
[09:19] <MistaED> loving this ubuntu release guys ;D
[09:19] <jfk303> I get: 'mplayer-386: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed' how can i resolve
[09:19] <Xgates> 5.04 has some real serious issues
[09:19] <Xgates> later and thanks all
[09:19] <dimatrod> i know
[09:19] <flodine> someone tell me why my 10,000 sata are slow on 5.04
[09:19] <enkidu> did anyone ever figure out the sound issues?
[09:20] <flodine> im almost done with 5.04
[09:20] <flodine> to slow
[09:20] <lunitik> dimatrod: gdi dude... thats not what I told you... the line that lists universe and starts with 'deb'  >:|
[09:20] <Amaranth> flodine: is dma enabled?
[09:20] <MistaED> hey can anyone tell me why i can't set reat privelages to non-root accounts in ubuntu 5.04?
[09:20] <flodine> where do i do that
[09:20] <Amaranth> flodine: Do you know the name of the device?
[09:21] <dimatrod> lunitik:  dude, do u have aim or msn or something, id prefer talking there
[09:21] <Amaranth> I'm probably not the best person to get help from right now, I'm not on a linux machine.
[09:21] <MistaED> i've mounted it in fstab /dev/hdb1 to a dir setting it with ro,user
[09:21] <flodine> sil 3112
[09:21] <enkidu> oh real quick, can someone help me with a problem im having at school...they block IRC so i had to come home just to get help for ubuntu
[09:21] <MistaED> but can't read it as a normal user
[09:22] <MistaED> *read
[09:22] <Amaranth> enkidu: CGI::IRC? :)
[09:22] <libben> just ask ur question
[09:22] <flodine> amaranth sil 3112 controller
[09:22] <flodine> for my satas
[09:22] <kevogod> Where can I access the fglrx-control once installed?
[09:22] <enkidu> Amaranth: would i set that up on my own comp or what?
[09:22] <MistaED> this is with ntfs btw
[09:22] <lunitik> dimatrod: http://www.pastebin.com/269547 what it _should_ look like
[09:22] <Get> k, now I have installed ubuntu and got ndiswrapper working, but what swhould I add in wich file for get the wlan card to automatic works each time I start the computer?
[09:22] <kevogod> (Control panel for ATI)
[09:22] <Amaranth> enkidu: To make sure you have access to it, yes.
[09:22] <drspin> are there any known bugs in gksudo on Hoary??
[09:23] <enkidu> Amaranth: I dont have a clue how to go about doing that
[09:23] <Amaranth> drspin: Like what?
[09:23] <sufferer> how will a mirror help?
[09:23] <drspin> cole@TheDesktop:~ $ gksudo gedit /etc/hdparm.conf
[09:23] <drspin> (gedit:8851): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[09:23] <agabus> where is my x.org config file located?
[09:23] <drspin> on a new install
[09:23] <sufferer> I am downloading everything fine
[09:23] <sufferer> I just continue to get this error W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5
[09:23] <MistaED> chmod 555 /mnt/ntfs doesn't work for some reason
[09:24] <lunitik> agabus: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:24] <flodine> amaranth how do i do the satas
[09:24] <drspin> MistaED: NTFS is read only on linux
[09:24] <Amaranth> enkidu: google CGI:IRC Login and start trying then. You're looking for one that lets you join your own channels and servers.
[09:24] <MistaED> yeah
[09:24] <Amaranth> flodine: I don't have SATA and I'm not even at a linux machine right now, I really can't help.
[09:24] <MistaED> i want to keep it read only, just normal users can't read it
[09:24] <vincent> drspin: I rebooted (windows habit) to make sure and still no go
[09:24] <enkidu> Amaranth: ok cool, is there any backup plan in case thats blocked to?
[09:25] <drspin> vincent... rebooting won't help ;)
[09:25] <drspin> LOL
[09:25] <Amaranth> enkidu: It won't be, unless they block all websites.
[09:25] <vincent> drspin: I'll check the zsnes channel
[09:25] <drspin> vincent: man zsnes
[09:25] <enkidu> Amaranth: cool, thanks
[09:25] <drspin> vincent: good call
[09:25] <flodine> can some tell me how to enable dma
[09:25] <drspin> flodine: man hdparm
[09:25] <vincent> drspin: haha I know rebooting doesn't help.  But it's a freakin' habit.  Been a windows user till recently.
[09:25] <drspin> vincent: no worries ;)
[09:25] <kevogod> I'm trying to install Unreal Tournament 2004 and for some reason, it is having trouble accessing the installer. Is there anything special I need to do to gain access?
[09:25] <vincent> drspin: thanks anyway though, I appreciate your effort :)
[09:26] <drspin> vincent: no worries
[09:26] <vincent> drspin: catch you later
[09:26] <MistaED> kevogod: sh linux-installer.sh doesn't work?
[09:27] <kevogod> Nope
[09:27] <kevogod> It gives an Input/output error
[09:27] <EvilIdler> kevogod:  Using the installer on the CD/DVD or the downloaded and updated one?
[09:27] <enkidu> does anyone know what would cause the speakers to click when there should be sound, but not do anything else
[09:27] <kevogod> The installer on the CD
[09:27] <MistaED> i just did it today, sudo sh linuxinstaller.sh worked fine under ubuntu
[09:28] <EvilIdler> kevogod: Google for an update, but I suspect your media is bad
[09:28] <MistaED> i have the dvd version
[09:28] <kevogod> Well, it works fine under a Windows installation
[09:28] <kevogod> I find it highly unlikely that just the linux installer is corrupted
[09:29] <EvilIdler> kevogod: I don't - I remember reading about a slightly broken Linux installer on some game..could have been just that
[09:29] <EvilIdler> kevogod: So try a downloaded installer, if you can find one
[09:29] <kevogod> Alright, thanks I'll look for an update
[09:29] <libben> how can i check if my gamepad is working or active? i just plugged it onto my soundcard
[09:30] <libben> gameport
[09:30] <MistaED> kevogod: the latest update isn't an installer unfortunately, it's a tar.bz2 designed to just be extracted over the top of ut2k4
[09:30] <EvilIdler> Kerrap :/
[09:31] <EvilIdler> Copying the installer might work
[09:31] <seven_six_two> wheee...installed kubuntu-desktop too
[09:32] <seven_six_two> not a fan of default menu layout, but whatever
[09:32] <MistaED> lol
[09:33] <MistaED> was someone already trying to send you the installer?
[09:33] <kevogod> How is it at 73% already?
[09:33] <kevogod> No?!?
[09:33] <MistaED> yeah, odd
[09:33] <seven_six_two> anyone know of issue with sound in totem? something about totem-xine
[09:33] <kevogod> Perhaps Ubuntu is psychic
[09:34] <dphase> seven_six_two, sound of sync with video?
[09:34] <MistaED> unless this is overwriting your own installer from the disc
[09:34] <seven_six_two> no sound
[09:34] <seven_six_two> i have system sounds and musix thru xmms
[09:34] <kevogod> Thanks for sending by the way.
[09:35] <seven_six_two> none with avi in totem
[09:36] <MistaED> anyway i'll ask again :) i've mounted ntfs in the fstab like "/dev/hdb1 /mnt/ntfs ntfs ro,user 0 0" so every normal user can read it
[09:36] <MistaED> and yet, it doesn't allow it oddly
[09:36] <MistaED> kevogod: no worries, the cd was already in the drive
[09:36] <kevogod> heh
[09:37] <benplaut> can't get my jumpdrive to hotplug...
[09:39] <MistaED> kevogod: you might need to put all the CD files in one clump because this is the installer from the dvd version, not sure if they're the same or not
[09:40] <kevogod> They appear to be the same size
[09:40] <seven_six_two> my totem error is "could not play file:///xxx/xxxx "  "Could not open file for writing"       the file plays fine in kaffiene and xine
[09:41] <waxhead> hey everyone
[09:41] <seven_six_two> sorry it was   "could not open resource for writing"
[09:42] <libben> how can i check or restart my gamepad.... i dont even know if its working
[09:42] <waxhead> where do I find out what sound driver the system sounds are using?
[09:42] <mcrawfor> anyone know how to get a nice, pretty framebuffer boot screen with ubuntu
[09:42] <thenuke_> How do I switch between locales if I have multiple installed?
[09:42] <waxhead> I can't get sound with gmplayer or xmms, but system sounds work
[09:42] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I was having trouble with NetworkManager in hoary and netapplet isn't quite stable or automatic, so I hacked up a little script to take care of wireless for me.  http://www.thecardinal1978.com/ubuntu/wireless-config-0.1.tar.gz  Hope it can be of help to somebody else.
[09:42] <holy_cow> mcrawfor, not yet
[09:42] <kevogod> Hmm. It never showed up
[09:42] <goonie> what is the best tool for connecting to a vpn network?
[09:42] <holy_cow> there is a project under way to have a bootsplash in user space
[09:42] <mcrawfor> holy_cow: hm. someone said that was a hoary feature
[09:42] <holy_cow> for now the only way is to have it as a patch for the kernel
[09:43] <holy_cow> the word is its not supposed to happen in the next releaase, but sometime after that
[09:43] <holy_cow> lots of work
[09:43] <holy_cow> mcrawfor, its not
[09:43] <seven_six_two> libben, >>   http://www.google.ca/linux?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=gamepad&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[09:43] <mcrawfor> wild - gentoo has a little howto that got it going for me
[09:43] <mcrawfor> surprised ubuntu has it so much harder
[09:43] <holy_cow> no, they are rewriting it from scratch
[09:43] <mcrawfor> wonder if the holdup is some snag or a desire to do it in a rigorous "right way"
[09:44] <holy_cow> for ubuntu you are patching kernel i believe
[09:44] <holy_cow> right way yes, they want it in user space
[09:44] <holy_cow> where frankly it belongs
[09:44] <holy_cow> that way debian can get it too
[09:44] <mcrawfor> well, it still has to go into the kernel or the initrd, no?
[09:44] <holy_cow> no not kernel
[09:44] <wezzer-> hey
[09:44] <holy_cow> all userspace
[09:44] <mcrawfor> hm.
[09:44] <wezzer-> mplayer doesn't play dvd's anymore
[09:44] <kevogod> MistaED: Strangely, it never showed up in my download location.
[09:45] <wezzer-> it says "no such device"
[09:45] <wezzer-> after upgrading to hoary
[09:45] <wezzer-> it worked fine in warty
[09:45] <mcrawfor> my understanding of "userspace" makes it hard to understand how a bootsplash could be all userspace
[09:45] <seven_six_two> wezzer, did you link your drive to /dev/dvd  ?\
[09:45] <holy_cow> google for ubuntu and bootsplash and userspace
[09:45] <holy_cow> theres stuff up there that explains how its supposed to work
[09:45] <holy_cow> from what i researched, the kernel doesn't get touched at all in any way
[09:46] <wezzer> seven_six_two: nope
[09:46] <wezzer> how do I do that?
[09:46] <benplaut> ARRGG!!! no matter what i do, this jumpdrive won't work!
[09:47] <benplaut> the light is on, but it isn't "there"
[09:47] <MistaED> that is odd
[09:47] <flodine> help i need more help for my satas anyone
[09:47] <seven_six_two> find out what drive it is   eg   hda2, hda3, hda4
[09:47] <holy_cow> ben_d, maybe it's dead ?
[09:47] <zenrox> mcrawfor,  if its todaly out of the kernel in "userspace" then than means you wont have to recompile a kernel to but in a differnt bootsplash like win2k
[09:47] <Cicada> anybody know where i would find my mplayer conf files
[09:47] <wezzer> seven_six_two: /dev/hdc
[09:47] <zenrox> but=put
[09:48] <libben> not sound like a assh*le... but i booted horay pre live cd... and everything worked out of that... usb, wifi, stealing neighbours wlan was even easier... bla bla.. list can go wrong... i feel for u all when u have so much troubles