[06:00] <beefsprocket> no idea how to configure it -- haven't checked
[06:00] <beefsprocket> nice
[06:00] <brezel> i don't seem to find that
[06:00] <asraniel> yea, i found how to fix the keyboard layout problem with kde 3.5.1
[06:00] <asraniel> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3102.msg12587#msg12587
[06:01] <beefsprocket> brezel: you can right click on the icon in kicker?
[06:01] <brezel> hmm, no icon there
[06:02] <beefsprocket> hmm, you have kde 3.4.3 ? I've got 3.5 which might be different
[06:02] <brezel> 3.5.1
[06:02] <brezel> i just upgraded
[06:02] <beefsprocket> oh, well then
[06:03] <beefsprocket> I can't say that I know how to help in that case
[06:03] <brezel> hmm, well i'll figure it out :) thx anyway
[06:04] <csaniger> hi all. I have a problem regarding kontact. Anyone can help?
[06:04] <brezel> will try :)
[06:05] <csaniger> Thanks :) When I go to Sync option  I get a message like this 'libmultisyncpart.la not found in library path'
[06:06] <brezel> do you have the multisync packages installed?
[06:06] <csaniger> yes. I've just installed them right now. I would like to sync my Acer-n30
[06:07] <tid-wave> how can I see all the songs from All Collection in amaroK ?
[06:07] <csaniger> I've been following the HOWTO on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30936
[06:07] <brezel> have you tried to look for that file in your system?
[06:07] <csaniger> No I haven't
[06:08] <csaniger> Where should it be located? You know?
[06:08] <brezel> csaniger: do a `find /usr -name "libmultisyncpart.la"` in a shell to see if that file is on your system
[06:08] <csaniger> ok
[06:09] <csaniger> brezel: doing it right now...
[06:09] <brezel> good
[06:09] <brezel> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=105817 <-- seems you're not alone
[06:09] <csaniger> brezel: it has not found it
[06:09] <brezel> hmm, are you using dapper?
[06:10] <csaniger> brezel: What's dapper?
[06:10] <brezel> tid-wave: i think there is some dynamic playlist that has all songs
[06:10] <brezel> csaniger: the development version of kubuntu
[06:11] <csaniger> brezel: I installed breezy
[06:11] <brezel> ko
[06:11] <brezel> ok
[06:11] <C-O-L-T> there is an edubuntu live cd?
[06:11] <csaniger> brezel: when I first plugged my PocketPC, I did a dmesg and saw it had recognized it
[06:12] <brezel> csaniger: i would try to install all packages you find with `apt-cache  search multisync`...if none of those contains the necessary file the kontact package might be broken
[06:12] <csaniger> brezel: from that point and on I followed the HOWTO mentioned before
[06:12] <brezel> hmm, that's odd
[06:12] <LiteHedded> when I reboot it's not keeping my wireless settings
[06:13] <csaniger> brezel: Should I reinstall kontact?
[06:13] <brezel> reinstalling things almost never solves problems under linux ^^
[06:13] <brezel> you might wanna try to delete kontact's settings and start over
[06:13] <GameOver69> anyone can tell me or give me different lines in the sources list so i can get more updated programs?
[06:15] <beefsprocket> hmm, how do I enable ctl+shift+ins paste in yakuake?
[06:15] <csaniger> brezel: .... :(
[06:16] <brezel> sorry csaniger i have no experience with multisync
[06:16] <brezel> i'm just saying what i would try
[06:16] <csaniger> brezel: don't worry :) Thanks for your help, it's been appreciated :)
[06:16] <brezel> ^^
[06:19] <GameOver69> anyone can tell me or give me different lines in the sources list so i can get more updated programs?
[06:20] <brezel> which version are you using?
[06:20] <brezel> breezy?
[06:21] <brezel> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/540288 <-- this is my sources.list
[06:22] <GameOver69> do these contain more updated versions of programs t hen whats provided by default?
[06:22] <GameOver69> and yes im using breezy
[06:24] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop like in a stock KDE setup?
[06:24] <brezel> well, the multiverse repository is not in it by default...but i guess there is just a larger selection of packages..not newer ones
[06:24] <LiteHedded> when I reboot it's not keeping my wireless settings
[06:24] <LiteHedded> can someone help me?
[06:26] <zblach> LiteHedded,
[06:26] <zblach> here's what you do\
[06:26] <LiteHedded> ok
[06:26] <zblach> what kinds of settings?
[06:26] <LiteHedded> well any
[06:27] <LiteHedded> when I reboot the device is not ready
[06:27] <zblach> like encryption? or essid?
[06:27] <LiteHedded> i have to manually ifconfig up it
[06:27] <zblach> ok
[06:27] <LiteHedded> and set the static ip and essid etc
[06:27] <GameOver69> brezel, the multiverse is for kubuntu or ubuntu?
[06:27] <zblach> it is ndiswrappered?
[06:27] <LiteHedded> no
[06:27] <brezel> GameOver69: doesn't matter...it's the same basic distro
[06:27] <GameOver69> oh ok
[06:28] <LiteHedded> it worked right after install of kubuntu
[06:28] <zblach> LiteHedded, sudo open /etc/network/interfaces
[06:28] <LiteHedded> i have it open
[06:28] <zblach> ok
[06:28] <zblach> find this line 'mapping hotplug'
[06:28] <LiteHedded> ok
[06:28] <zblach> next is 'script grep'
[06:28] <LiteHedded> yea
[06:28] <LiteHedded> then map eth1
[06:28] <LiteHedded> which is my wifi
[06:28] <zblach> change the 3rd line to be 'map wlan0' or which every network card you're using
[06:28] <zblach> eth1 is your wifi?
[06:29] <LiteHedded> yes
[06:29] <zblach> oko
[06:29] <GameOver69> zblach, i have mine ndiswrapped and have tried everything and i still have to dhclient it everytime to get it to work
[06:29] <zblach> next line: "# The primary network interface
[06:29] <LiteHedded> yes
[06:29] <LiteHedded> the info is there for it
[06:29] <zblach> next line should be iface eth1 inet static
[06:29] <LiteHedded> right
[06:29] <zblach> you have all the rest?
[06:29] <LiteHedded> looks like it
[06:29] <zblach> address, network, gateway, netmask?
[06:29] <LiteHedded> network says <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:30] <zblach> your router
[06:30] <LiteHedded> don't know if that's right or not
[06:30] <LiteHedded> my router is .1
[06:30] <zblach> change it to your router
[06:30] <LiteHedded> ok
[06:30] <zblach> uh... is there a paste channel?
[06:30] <tid-wave> #flood ?
[06:30] <LiteHedded> then what?
[06:30] <brezel> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/
[06:30] <brezel> go here
[06:31] <zblach> LiteHedded, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/540306
[06:31] <zblach> have something like that
[06:31] <zblach> and i've never had a problem since
[06:31] <LiteHedded> it says that
[06:32] <zblach> ..
[06:32] <zblach> not sure what the problem could be then. sorry.
[06:32] <LiteHedded> there's an entry for eth2. a wireless card I put in there but have since removed
[06:32] <zblach> i've found that method to always be foolproof
[06:32] <LiteHedded> delete it?
[06:32] <zblach> probably
[06:32] <zblach> were I you, i'd've called my wireless card wlan0
[06:33] <zblach> i have eth0 just in case i'm going to plug in wiredly
[06:33] <LiteHedded> i didn't call it anything
[06:33] <LiteHedded> ubuntu did
[06:33] <zblach> ok
[06:33] <LiteHedded> i have iface eth0 inet after the eth1 setup lines
[06:33] <LiteHedded> and then auto eth1
[06:33] <LiteHedded> should that come before the eth0 line?
[06:34] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i set krusader to the default file browser?
[06:34] <LiteHedded> file associations in kcontrol prolly
[06:37] <LiteHedded> when I shut down on deconfiguring network interfaces it fails
[06:37] <MetaMorfoziS> LiteHedded: but what is the folder option? in kcontrol?
[06:37] <MetaMorfoziS> i find about "folder"
[06:37] <MetaMorfoziS> and no results
[06:37] <LiteHedded> not sure
[06:38] <LiteHedded> search for file assotiations
[06:38] <MetaMorfoziS> yes i have found it
[06:38] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm searched in the fileassociations
[06:38] <LiteHedded> associations
[06:38] <LiteHedded> ok
[06:38] <MetaMorfoziS> but i'm not found it!
[06:38] <MetaMorfoziS> :(
[06:39] <LiteHedded> not sure what it's under
[06:39] <brezel> inode->directory
[06:40] <brezel> got it MetaMorfoziS?
[06:40] <MetaMorfoziS> yes
[06:40] <MetaMorfoziS> thx
[06:40] <brezel> yw
[06:40] <MetaMorfoziS> but not work:)
[06:40] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm click on a folder
[06:40] <MetaMorfoziS> and krusader load load load...
[06:41] <MetaMorfoziS> and crash..
[06:41] <tid-wave> how can i restructure the panel like in ubuntu (gnome) ? with the application launchers and the notification area at the top and the taskbar + pager at the bottom of the screen ?
[06:44] <brosioz> hi i've boot with 2.6.15 runnig module-assistant and create the module for nvidia install nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev but when i type modprobe nvidia i getFATAL: Module nvidia not found . anyone could help ?
[06:44] <brezel> MetaMorfoziS: i am not sure if you can completely replace konqueror with something else
[06:44] <MetaMorfoziS> .but i'm want:)
[06:44] <brezel> :)
[06:46] <brezel> haha i know how :D
[06:46] <brezel> in the inode->directory entry  in the file associations
[06:46] <brezel> user 'krusader --left'
[06:46] <brezel> not only 'krusader'
[06:47] <MetaMorfoziS> moment
[06:48] <brezel> man krusader says this:
[06:48] <brezel> OPTIONS
[06:48] <brezel>        --left <path>
[06:48] <brezel>               start left panel at <path>
[06:48] <brezel>        --right <path>
[06:48] <brezel>               start right panel at <path>
[06:48] <MetaMorfoziS> krusader -caption "%c" %i %m
[06:48] <MetaMorfoziS> thisis the default
[06:48] <MetaMorfoziS> the kcontrol added this
[06:48] <MetaMorfoziS> ok i add th e--left
[06:48] <MetaMorfoziS> qql.
[06:48] <brezel> what are %i and %m replaced by?
[06:49] <MetaMorfoziS> i'dont know
[06:49] <MetaMorfoziS> th krusader is'nt started
[06:49] <brezel> well i just added put 'krusader --left' and it worked
[06:49] <brezel> just try that
[06:50] <MetaMorfoziS> okok moment
[06:50] <MetaMorfoziS> ql!
[06:51] <MetaMorfoziS> thank you:)
[06:51] <brezel> yw :)
[06:51] <MetaMorfoziS> it's loads a bit slowly...
[06:52] <brezel> apt-get install more-memory more-gigahertz :D
[06:52] <MetaMorfoziS> :)))
[06:52] <melonipoika> hi, does anyone know how to resize a linux partition, but moving the beggining of it?
[06:53] <MetaMorfoziS> :((
[06:53] <MetaMorfoziS> :DD
[06:53] <MetaMorfoziS> melonipoika: i don't know...
[06:54] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop like in a stock KDE setup?
[06:54] <mister_roboto> melonipoika: have you tried using gparted? it's a nice gui on parted to do this sort of thing,
[06:54] <brezel> MetaMorfoziS: fast machine :) i'm on 1600 MHz
[06:54] <brezel> but 1.5 GB RAM
[06:54] <melonipoika> yes, but it only let me modifiy at the end part, not begining...
[06:55] <melonipoika> but thanks in any case
[06:55] <brezel> melonipoika: you can use cfdisk but you must backup all data before you change the partition table
[06:55] <mister_roboto> melonpoika: is there a partition before it taking up the space? if so, you might have to shrink that one first
[06:56] <melonipoika> what i want to do is to make bigger the partition before ubuntu, and for that i first need to make the ubuntu one smaller...
[06:57] <mister_roboto> melonpoika: can't you just shrink the ubuntu one from the end first, then move the whole thing higher?
[06:57] <melonipoika> oh yes, that i could try!, thanks
[06:58] <melonipoika> mister_roboto: what program do you recomend me for doing all that?
[06:58] <mister_roboto> melonpoika: personally, i found gparted very easy to use.
[06:58] <mister_roboto> melonpoika: make sure you have a backup of important stuff in case anything goes wrong ;)
[06:59] <melonipoika> ok, thanks
[06:59] <AndyR> hi all
[06:59] <CyberMad> does cvs can update installed package? so i will get less security problem, ex: apache, mysql, postfix
[07:00] <melonipoika> ah, another question... i also need to move the swap partition then, but if i use the live cd, it is mounting it. How can i prevent the live cd to mount this partition, or hor to unmount it?
[07:00] <AndyR> anyone here op in #ubuntu?
[07:00] <brezel> melonipoika: swapoff -a
[07:01] <mister_roboto> CyberMad: you should use "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" for that
[07:01] <melonipoika> thanks
[07:01] <melonipoika> brezel: at booting time or in the console once started?
[07:02] <brezel> you can do that anytime in a root shell
[07:02] <CyberMad> mister_roboto does it support latest update of package?
[07:02] <brezel> it is not a boot option
[07:02] <mister_roboto> CyberMad: updating a CVS working copy won't do anything about the compiled versions you have installed
[07:02] <melonipoika> ok, thanks
[07:02] <brezel> yw
[07:02] <mister_roboto> CyberMad: that's what "dist-upgrade" does
[07:02] <CyberMad> thanks :)
[07:03] <mister_roboto> CyberMad: the "update" part first updates your local database of packages, then the upgrade part will get you to the latest version
[07:05] <LiteHedded> why does it fail when I do /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[07:07] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody use krusader for ftp?
[07:07] <MetaMorfoziS> any way to store my ftp accounts?
[07:07] <MetaMorfoziS> and acces to it like total commander?
[07:07] <MetaMorfoziS> hi stratovarius, magyar vagy?
[07:07] <stratovarius> hi all
[07:07] <stratovarius> what does "hda: no DRQ after issuing MULTIWRITE" mean?pl shelp me to solve this problem
[07:08] <mike> i'm getting all kinds of problems when I attempt to compile anything
[07:08] <mike> what do I need
[07:08] <mike> (package wise)
[07:08] <mike> is there a paste bot?
[07:09] <CyberMad> thanks mister_roboto
[07:09] <brezel> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[07:09] <stratovarius> nopbody can help me pls
[07:09] <brezel> stratovarius: what is the problem?
[07:09] <brezel> just this message?
[07:09] <stratovarius> what does "hda: no DRQ after issuing MULTIWRITE" mean?pl shelp me to solve this problem
[07:09] <brezel> or does anything actually not work?
[07:11] <mike> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/540367
[07:11] <mike> it looks like i'm just missing something essential
[07:11] <mike> what is it
[07:12] <brezel> mike: bc6-dev or a c compiler
[07:12] <brezel> libc6-dev
[07:13] <mike> ah
[07:13] <mike> ya that would do it
[07:13] <mike> i knew it was something essential i just forgot what
[07:13] <brezel> ^^
[07:14] <brezel> man i like this channel :) helping people is fun from time to time :)
[07:14] <MetaMorfoziS> @ first startup (after install) kde asks me about my performance
[07:14] <MetaMorfoziS> and i'm setted the scrollbar (stupidly) the max
[07:14] <stratovarius> hi again
[07:14] <MetaMorfoziS> where can i set it again?
[07:15] <mike> ah brezel you my hero
[07:15] <brezel> :D
[07:15] <mike> who you like for the game?
[07:16] <brezel> what?
[07:16] <mike> superbowl
[07:16] <brezel> oh, i'm neither from the US nor into sports sorry ^^
[07:16] <stratovarius> brezel (i think u were trying to help me) that message appears me when I boot my system. sometimes it appears me during the module loading, sometimes after starting hotplug subsystem, sometime after setting the system clock can u help me?
[07:16] <mister_roboto> mike: build-essential
[07:17] <sabin> why can't I see the the other partitions on the same hd as my kubuntu install?
[07:17] <brezel> stratovarius: what i wanted to know: does it actually cause any errors?
[07:17] <stratovarius> brezel in what sense
[07:17] <as_28> hello
[07:17] <stratovarius> ?
[07:17] <as_28> hello murchadh
[07:18] <stratovarius> brezel that error slows my system boot
[07:18] <brezel> stratovarius: you can access the disk correctly but you want to correct that message is that right?
[07:18] <sabin> I want to see my PClinuxOS install but it tells me that it's unavailable when I try to mount it
[07:18] <brezel> ok
[07:18] <stratovarius> brezel yeah I do
[07:18] <as_28> I am having problems with my wifi card
[07:18] <brezel> looks like a kernel message. do you have a strange IDE chip and an old kernel version?
[07:18] <as_28> its strange becouse it let me enable foir just a second and then it get back disabled
[07:19] <stratovarius> brezel I think it a kernel problem too. wait for a while I'll tell u my kernel
[07:20] <as_28> any help?
[07:20] <stratovarius> brezel
[07:20] <stratovarius> brezel 2.6.12-10-386
[07:20] <brezel> yes
[07:20] <mister_roboto> as_28: any clues at the end of /var/log/messages?
[07:21] <as_28> let me see
[07:21] <brezel> try to upgrade to 2.6.14 and make sure the drivers for your IDE chip are in the kernel
[07:21] <matahari> hi
[07:21] <as_28> thank you msiter_roboto for awnser
[07:21] <matahari> i wanted to ask which xorg version kubuntu breezy uses
[07:21] <mister_roboto> as_28: well that was easy  ;^)
[07:22] <as_28> now
[07:22] <as_28> i am opeing the log
[07:22] <as_28> whatdo i have to look?
[07:22] <stratovarius> brezel and I try to downgrade???this error appeared me after my system update and the kernel was one of the avaible updates
[07:23] <stratovarius> * can I try to downgrade?
[07:23] <brezel> downgrade?
[07:23] <brezel> hmm
[07:23] <brezel> i wouldn't do that
[07:23] <mister_roboto> as_28: look toward the end of the file for some sort of errors having to do with networking. you could try "tail -f" on the file while you enable the card to watch as it happens
[07:23] <brezel> i would try to bake my own kernel that has the correct drivers for your ide chip compiled into it :)
[07:23] <as_28> mister_roboto: it says CLOSED DEVICE at the end of the log
[07:23] <stratovarius> ok u suggest me to update my kernel.how can I do that?
[07:23] <as_28> let me try to bring it up and see if anything changes in the log
[07:25] <as_28> mister_roboto: when i tyoe dhclient in the konsole it says sit0: unknown hardware adderss type 776 and the a bunch of  lines
[07:25] <brezel> either install a newer precompiled kernel (i think the package is called linux-image-something) or compile one yourself.http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Kernel-HOWTO.html
[07:25] <mister_roboto> matahari: Xorg -version
[07:26] <matahari> mister_roboto: i don't have kubuntu installed
[07:26] <mister_roboto> as_28: ok, i guess your problem is no driver is getting installed for the device. but I have no clue how to fix it
[07:26] <matahari> i want to know the xorg version before i download it
[07:26] <stratovarius> brezel tnx
[07:26] <mister_roboto> matahari: X Window System Version 6.8.2 (Ubuntu 6.8.2-77<PHONE_NUMBER>4523<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:27] <brezel> yw :)
[07:27] <matahari> this is the newest KUbuntu?
[07:27] <as_28> but its strange becouse its there in the hardware devices panel
[07:27] <mister_roboto> matahari: breezy, updated as of yesterday
[07:28] <matahari> okay... that#s not good
[07:28] <mister_roboto> as_28: this is a pcmcia card?
[07:28] <matahari> how about the development version? is there xorg 7.0 inside?
[07:28] <as_28> no
[07:28] <as_28> is in the laptop that i am using
[07:29] <mister_roboto> matahari: dunno. might try reading the kubuntu wiki for the info on what's in Dapper if nobody can answer
[07:30] <mister_roboto> as_28: sorry, man. no clue
[07:30] <as_28> mister_roboto: no problema thanks again
[07:31] <mister_roboto> as_28: any unusual messages when you do an "ifdown" and "ifup"?
[07:31] <matahari> okay... thanks
[07:31] <matahari> bye
[07:31] <as_28> mister_roboto: let me see
[07:31] <as_28> what do i have to type exactly
[07:32] <up> does anyone have (k)ubuntu running on an ibm/lenovo thinkpad r52?
[07:32] <mister_roboto> well, personally, I would start a "tail -f /var/log/messages" to watch that, then do "sudo ifdown" followed by "sudo ifup" when it finished
[07:33] <as_28> when i type ifdown wlan0 it say: ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured
[07:34] <Ilokaasu> im not sure if this helps but my laptops wlan was eth0
[07:34] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop like in a stock KDE setup?
[07:34] <stratovarius> brezel can I compile my kernel again to unable multiwrite?
[07:34] <mister_roboto> as_28: ok, that's progress :)    you either have to figure out how to use "iwconfig" or config your card through whatever networking gui admin tool you have
[07:35] <brezel> stratovarius: probably you can also do that with hdparm
[07:35] <as_28> mister_roboto: what do you mean about gui admin tool: KDE?
[07:35] <mister_roboto> as_28: in KDE, I just use "system settings" gui
[07:35] <stratovarius> hdparam???can u guide me to do that?
[07:35] <brezel> stratovarius: ut it would be better if multiwrite would just work properly
[07:35] <mister_roboto> as_28: yes
[07:35] <brezel> man hdparm
[07:35] <brezel> :)
[07:35] <as_28> mister_roboto: i did went there
[07:35] <as_28> mister_roboto: but when i enable the card 2 seconds later it sets disabled again
[07:35] <mister_roboto> as_28:  and?   did you set up your wifi?
[07:36] <mister_roboto> as_28: oh, I see.
[07:36] <as_28> mister_roboto: and i know the network works becouse i have my desktop pc running with windows and it get the wifi conection
[07:37] <mister_roboto> as_28: and the only message you see when you enable it is "DEVICE CLOSED" or something like that? nothing else?
[07:38] <as_28> not even that it just get again in DISABLED state
[07:38] <mister_roboto> as_28; by "message" I mean something showing up in /var/log/messages. There should be SOMETHING there when you attempt to enable it
[07:39] <as_28> ok, let me see
[07:39] <maverick> hi all
[07:41] <as_28> mister_roboto: the log file says
[07:42] <as_28> mister_roboto: get_mask 0x00000000, set mask 0x00000040
[07:43] <as_28> mister_roboto: setting_ RXconfig to 2000:0000
[07:43] <as_28> mister_roboto: get_mask 0x00000000, set_mask 0x0000000 - after update
[07:43] <maverick> hmmm
[07:44] <maverick> anyone here up for helping me set up? repositrys?
[07:44] <as_28> mister_roboto: FIXME: most likely needs refinement, first
[07:44] <maverick> cant seem get that up and install apts
[07:45] <Snake__> ubotu: tell maverick about sources
[07:45] <maverick> cheers
[07:45] <maverick> gonna go check that
[07:45] <Snake__> :)
[07:45] <Snake__> Alright
[07:46] <maverick> ahh one prob they ask for programe called synaptic?
[07:46] <maverick> i havent got that
[07:46] <maverick> but got aptet?
[07:46] <maverick> aptget*
[07:46] <Snake__> maverick: hold on a moment alright?
[07:46] <Snake__> !sources
[07:46] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:46] <Snake__> let me read over how they tell you to do it
[07:46] <maverick> oky
[07:48] <Snake__> maverick: are you using adept?
[07:48] <maverick> yep
[07:48] <maverick> worked out how to install it
[07:48] <Snake__> maverick: okay, start adept
[07:48] <maverick> found synaptic installed it
[07:48] <Snake__> maverick: wait. what program are you using
[07:48] <maverick> adept
[07:48] <maverick> cant seem find synaptic
[07:48] <Snake__> maverick: okay
[07:48] <maverick> k
[07:48] <Snake__> maverick: open adept
[07:49] <as_2804> mister_roboto: stil there?
[07:49] <maverick> k
[07:49] <Snake__> maverick: then in the corner it says "adept" click that, and click "manage respritorys"
[07:49] <maverick> yep
[07:49] <Snake__> maverick: I assume your trying to get univers and multiverse repos?
[07:49] <maverick> hmm
[07:49] <maverick> well iam trying ety
[07:50] <maverick> get java
[07:50] <maverick> azurus
[07:50] <Snake__> maverick: what are you trying to do with your respritorys
[07:50] <Snake__> maverick: ahh okay
[07:50] <maverick> and get movied
[07:50] <maverick> movies*
[07:50] <maverick> an dvd to work
[07:50] <maverick> heard there in repositery?
[07:50] <Snake__> maverick: okay, see where it says "Universe and Multiverse" on the side?
[07:50] <maverick> yeaH
[07:50] <Snake__> maverick: right click any ones that have that and click "enable"
[07:50] <maverick> K
[07:51] <Snake__> maverick: then click fetch updates
[07:51] <maverick> K
[07:51] <maverick> OKY DONE
[07:51] <Snake__> maverick: then when its done, look for whatever you need
[07:51] <maverick>  sorry now wat ?
[07:51] <maverick> oky :D
[07:51] <maverick> they got all wat i need?
[07:52] <maverick> do ya think?
[07:52] <Snake__> maverick: I dont think azurus is in the repos, but I know the java you need it
[07:52] <maverick> oky
[07:52] <Snake__> ubotu: tell maverick about java
[07:53] <Snake__> maverick: follow that link ubotu gave you, and install "Blackdown Java 1.4"
[07:53] <as_2804> i got these message whrn i try to enabled the wifi card: FIXME: most likely needs refinement, first
[07:54] <as_2804> anyone knows how to fix this?
[07:54] <maverick> oky
[07:54] <maverick> cheers
[07:54] <Snake__> Yep
[07:56] <as_2804> any help?
[07:56] <maverick> snake cant find it
[07:56] <maverick> :(
[07:56] <maverick> j2 one
[07:56] <Snake__> maverick: did you fetch updates?
[07:57] <maverick> yeah
[07:57] <Snake__> maverick: hmmm hold on a minute ok?
[07:58] <maverick> oky
[07:58] <maverick> maybe iam not on admin account?
[07:58] <kkathman> trying to install java or what?
[07:58] <Snake__> maverick: ahh crap I see what I did
[07:58] <ClayG> is it possible to have working (to the outside world also) subdomains without setting up dns servers? can you have mysite.com , through either entry in the hosts or maybe vhosts, i dunno
[07:58] <maverick> oh?
[07:58] <Snake__> maverick: go back to the manage respritories area
[07:58] <maverick> k
[07:59] <Snake__> maverick: re-enable the "universe" and multiverse ones
[07:59] <Snake__> maverick: then press "apply"
[07:59] <Snake__> maverick: then click the button that says "close" next to it
[07:59] <Snake__> maverick: then fetch updates :)
[08:00] <confuzed> anyone with experience of installing pbpbb with a mysqldatabase? I'm experiencing some problems with the database connectivity
[08:00] <as_2804> hello
[08:00] <as_2804> any help with wifi enabled a card?
[08:00] <maverick> nope :(
[08:01] <kkathman> maverick:  whats the problem?
[08:01] <maverick> not coming up the j2 file
[08:02] <maverick> in apt
[08:02] <maverick> ive done wat snake said
[08:02] <maverick> added universe reps
[08:02] <maverick> seems not to come up
[08:02] <kkathman> you got java installed?
[08:03] <maverick> not sure
[08:03] <maverick> dnt know
[08:03] <maverick> too be honest
[08:03] <maverick> jsut been told that i need it before i can install
[08:03] <maverick> azeurus
[08:03] <kkathman> !javadeb
[08:03] <ubotu> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun and IBM java packages can be found at http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[08:04] <Snake__> maverick: did that work?
[08:04] <maverick> nope
[08:04] <maverick> cant find
[08:04] <kkathman> Snake__:  he cant verify he has java installed
[08:04] <maverick> j2.14 ( black one)
[08:04] <maverick> or
[08:04] <maverick> java sun
[08:04] <maverick> in the apts
[08:04] <kkathman> the one in multiverse I'd say
[08:05] <maverick> ?
[08:05] <Snake__> kkathman: no, he cant see to get his repos working...because it should be in the repos
[08:05] <kkathman> read his sources.list then
[08:05] <kkathman> post them in the pastebin
[08:05] <kkathman> then make sure they are correct
[08:05] <maverick> err
[08:05] <maverick> iam proper noob mate
[08:05] <Snake__> kkathman: can I tell him to sudo kate?
[08:05] <kkathman> no
[08:06] <Snake__> kkathman: I didnt think so
[08:06] <kkathman> not sudo..NEVER sudo a kde
[08:06] <maverick> sudo the comand one right?
[08:06] <kkathman> kdesu kate  then edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:06] <Snake__> maverick: do what kkathman just said :)
[08:06] <kkathman> using sudo with kde apps can corrupt your system
[08:07] <maverick> kdesu?
[08:07] <kkathman> yer in KDE right?
[08:07] <maverick> from terminal?
[08:07] <kkathman> alt-f2  then type  kdesu kate
[08:07] <maverick> type dat
[08:08] <maverick> it loaded kate
[08:08] <maverick> but opened empty file?
[08:08] <maverick> found it
[08:08] <maverick> wat do i edit it with?
[08:08] <maverick> i mean add?
[08:08] <Snake__> ubotu: tell maverick about sources
[08:08] <Snake__> again :)
[08:09] <maverick> :)
[08:09] <Snake__> maverick: add the offical breezy sources
[08:09] <maverick> oky
[08:09] <maverick> loading site now
[08:10] <maverick> shall i copy and paste
[08:10] <maverick> from site rewrite wat i got?
[08:10] <maverick> i got alot of commentary
[08:10] <Snake__> maverick: Erase your whole sources.list and paste in the offical one
[08:10] <maverick> on my current one
[08:10] <maverick> k
[08:11] <maverick> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 official right?
[08:11] <Snake__> maverick: looks good
[08:11] <zblach> how can one set bootsplash screens in kde 3.5.1?
[08:11] <maverick> it seems smaller?
[08:11] <kkathman> be sure to remove the cd-rom line if its there
[08:11] <maverick> the wat i currently got
[08:11] <Snake__> maverick: thats not a issue
[08:12] <Snake__> kkathman: I had him clean the whole sources.list
[08:12] <kkathman> okies
[08:12] <Snake__> maverick: just erase all you've got and put the whole new list in
[08:12] <as_2804> hello
[08:12] <kkathman> be sure to do a sudo apt-get update  at the command line before anything else
[08:12] <maverick> ok done it and saved it
[08:12] <Snake__> maverick: tell me when youve done that
[08:12] <maverick> jsut save right?
[08:12] <Snake__> maverick: see where the single "#" are?
[08:13] <maverick> yeah
[08:13] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[08:13] <Snake__> not the double, but anywhere theres a single #, remove it
[08:13] <Snake__> maverick: or "comment it out" as they say ;)
[08:13] <as_2804> anyone know wifi enabled
[08:13] <MetaMorfoziS> where can i set the global character encoding?
[08:13] <maverick> done
[08:13] <Snake__> maverick: now save
[08:13] <maverick> k
[08:13] <Snake__> maverick: now in a terminal do "sudo apt-get update"
[08:14] <maverick> now wat?
[08:14] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm isntalled few thems, and some characters replaced with a square
[08:14] <maverick> now wat?
[08:14] <maverick> snake?
[08:14] <MetaMorfoziS> i want to set globally 8859-2
[08:14] <Snake__> maverick: now try this- one moment
[08:14] <maverick> k
[08:15] <Snake__> maverick: sudo apt-get install j2re1.4
[08:16] <Snake__> maverick: did it work?
[08:17] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody?
[08:17] <MetaMorfoziS> character encoding?:((
[08:17] <Snake__> MetaMorfoziS: not sure, sorry :(
[08:17] <maverick> its d/l amd installing looking good :P
[08:17] <maverick> seemd done whoo :P
[08:17] <Snake__> maverick: yay!
[08:17] <Snake__> :)
[08:17] <maverick> ty snake
[08:17] <Snake__> maverick: now go get the azurus client
[08:17] <MetaMorfoziS> nowhere a reconfigure kde?
[08:17] <MetaMorfoziS> or etc?
[08:17] <maverick> ty kkathman
[08:18] <maverick> iam gonn go see :P
[08:18] <as_2804> how do i find out what model is my wifi card in the konsole?
[08:20] <maverick> lol snake
[08:20] <as_2804> anyone?
[08:20] <maverick> hey snake is my adept not working right?
[08:20] <maverick> doenst seem find files?
[08:21] <Snake__> maverick: it should work now ;)
[08:21] <maverick> oky
[08:21] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm reobooted:(
[08:22] <MetaMorfoziS> and the character coding is'nt solved...
[08:22] <MetaMorfoziS> some characters are replaced with []  :((
[08:22] <maverick> hmm nope wont find win32 codecs :(
[08:22] <Snake__> maverick: thats not in the repos
[08:22] <MetaMorfoziS> where i can set to 8859-2?
[08:22] <MetaMorfoziS> any idea?
[08:22] <Snake__> maverick: you have to download that one
[08:23] <hawking> what is the easiest way to make a program start at startup?
[08:23] <maverick> oh
[08:24] <maverick> oky
[08:24] <Snake__> maverick: I assume you know where to get it?
[08:24] <Snake__> maverick: and theres a special way to install it when you get it, ill tell you how to do that when its done
[08:27] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop like in a stock KDE setup?
[08:27] <MetaMorfoziS> hoho cool
[08:28] <MetaMorfoziS> where can i set the performance-using in kde?
[08:29] <ilba7r> anyone know how to change the path in gnome
[08:29] <Snake__> ilba7r: path?
[08:30] <ilba7r> yap snake the default search path for appl run from gnome terminal
[08:30] <ilba7r> sorry gnome menus
[08:30] <mike> how do i tell what display number my X display is
[08:31] <Snake__> ah not sure
[08:31] <Snake__> brb
[08:31] <ilba7r> Snake__, no prob
[08:32] <sean_micken> i am getting loads of errors in my .xsession file like "end from FAM server connection" .. running kde 3.5.1
[08:32] <sean_micken> i especially get a lot when running amarok
[08:34] <Snake__> maverick: So whats up?
[08:38] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop like in a stock KDE setup?
[08:40] <mmartel> UT2004 randomly crashes after playing for a few minutes (It's patched, and I have libstdc++5.3.3 and nvidia-glx enabled)...my screen blanks and a sound rapidly repeats, and I have to reboot my computer. Anyone know a fix?
[08:47] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop like in a stock KDE setup?
[08:48] <maverick> snake u about?
[08:50] <Snake__> maverick: yo
[08:51] <maverick> hi nake
[08:51] <Snake__> maverick: go to the PM, its easier to trouble shoot
[08:51] <maverick> oky :D
[08:59] <Snake__> !mp3
[08:59] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:01] <LeeJunFan> is there a "known issues" page for breezy w/ 3.5.1? I've got dapper on here how but not being able to print is getting to me, but don't know if I should go with 3.5.0 or 3.5.1 yet.
[09:02] <Jecos> 3.5.1 has issues with keyboard layouts(they are missing).. which sounds like a bug that snuck in when they were packaged..
[09:02] <Jecos> got to 3.5.0
[09:03] <kkathman> 3.5.1 is very buggy
[09:03] <LeeJunFan> okay, thanks. I had 3.5.0 on breezy before w/ only tiny issues.
[09:04] <Jecos> Im sure it will get ironed out soon though
[09:04] <superdump> hello
[09:04] <superdump> i'm trying to find the package that includes the X headers
[09:04] <superdump> but i'm having little luck
[09:04] <superdump> does anyone know what it is called?
[09:05] <LeeJunFan> xserver-xorg-dev
[09:05] <superdump> is it in universe?
[09:06] <Jecos> just add main universe multiverse restricted to all three mirrors to make sure you have everything
[09:07] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: I had some "minor issues" but others have had more serious ones...as usual, it depends on the personal installation
[09:07] <kkathman> but there are KDE only things that are flaky too
[09:08] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: remember, I'm charmed during installations :p
[09:09] <kkathman> well, LeeJunFan you most certainly dont have the same install as me
[09:09] <kkathman> or anyone :)
[09:10] <kkathman> so thats good
[09:10] <superdump> xserver-xorg-dev isn't in breezy
[09:10] <superdump> in any of the pools
[09:10] <Jecos> what do you need it for?
[09:10] <superdump> compiling konversation
[09:10] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: well, we will see too because this will be the first time in some time I've done i386. So I'll prob have the same crap luck everyone else does.
[09:10] <kkathman> on my SUSE, I upgraded from 3.4.0 to 3.5.0 with absolutely no flaws whatsoever...but going from 3.4.3 to 3.5.0  in Kubuntu was loaded with errors...so???
[09:11] <kkathman> its just what has to be updated and how much...and what apps are there
[09:11] <superdump> and i'll need it for compiling mplayer later too
[09:11] <Jecos> config files should be replaced.. but usually pack managers don't replace them
[09:12] <Jecos> compile mplayer for what?
[09:12] <Jecos> so it will look better?
[09:13] <superdump> i'm an mplayer developer
[09:14] <Jecos> ah ok
[09:14] <superdump> and konversation 0.19 is much better than 0.18, but the package in dapper is built on kde 3.5.blah and i don't want to upgrade yet, so i'm going to compile it myself
[09:14] <superdump> on top of kde 3.4.blah
[09:15] <Jecos> yeah...
[09:15] <superdump> i was trying out dapper last night :)
[09:15] <LeeJunFan> yeah, it seems -dev is only in dapper, lemme take a look on another system.
[09:15] <superdump> xorg 7 will be awesome once all the composite stuff is working properly
[09:15] <superdump> for window transparency, fading, drop shadows, etc etc
[09:16] <LeeJunFan> amd drivers will still suck at it though I suspect.
[09:16] <LeeJunFan> err ati
[09:16] <Jecos> not the opensource ones
[09:17] <superdump> i was using nvidia binary drivers
[09:17] <superdump> but it appeared to be doing it all in software
[09:17] <GameOver69> lately my wmv videos run choppy inmplayer?
[09:17] <GameOver69> any reason?>
[09:17] <Jecos> it pretty much is, glxcompmgr wil be so much better
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> superdump: libx11-dev ?
[09:18] <superdump> that's what i thought
[09:18] <superdump> but alas no
[09:19] <superdump> Jecos: well, it was crawling on my 3700+ so it must have been trying to do shitloads
[09:19] <superdump> :)
[09:19] <superdump> it was doing fade in/out of transparent windows
[09:20] <Jecos> well i ran kompmgr on my k7 2800+ and igp320m and it didn't run to well but wasn't horrible.. just lagged a little
[09:20] <RickKnight> Can someone tell me just what is "Live CD"?
[09:21] <LeeJunFan> RickKnight: it runs from your CD w/o installing anything on your hd.
[09:21] <LeeJunFan> RickKnight: it will of course be much slower than running from hd.
[09:23] <superdump> much slower starting stuff up... or whenever it would normally have to access the hdd
[09:23] <superdump> i also need the X headers for an opengl library i'm using for a university project
[09:25] <Wolf> Hi everyone!
[09:31] <RickKnight> LeeJunFan: Is the Dapper Live CD supposed to work that way?
[09:32] <superdump> hmm, i might just use dapper and get you guys to help me fix any problems i encounter :B
[09:32] <RickKnight> LeeJunFan: Right now it's resizing partitions on my drive!
[09:33] <superdump> though i had a problem when trying to compile something last night
[09:33] <Jecos> you really should only encouter the timezone issue and keyboard layout issue
[09:33] <superdump> it was some bash problem or something on an install script
[09:33] <superdump> for blah in blah do\
[09:33] <superdump> if blah then\
[09:33] <superdump> blah
[09:34] <superdump> was being parsed as doif
[09:34] <superdump> => b0rked
[09:37] <superdump> do dapper-updates and dapper-security exist? and would you recommend using main universe multiverse and restricted with dapper yet?
[09:37] <brodel> how can I reset KDE somehow to show the changes I made to the panel now?
[09:38] <tafsen> When I run ./configure I get this error: checking for KDE... configure: error:
[09:41] <Jecos> yah I run all those repositories in dapper
[09:41] <tafsen> Jecos: talking to me?
[09:41] <Jecos> no what are you trying to build?
[09:42] <tafsen> baghira theme
[09:42] <Jecos> its in the repositories.. is there a new version that runs better ?
[09:43] <tafsen> apt-get install baghira ?
[09:43] <Jecos> apt-get install kwin-baghira
[09:43] <Wolf> Is there a program like YaKuake for Gnome?
[09:43] <Jecos> I don't think so..
[09:43] <Jecos> yakuake is nice though
[09:44] <Wolf> Yeah
[09:44] <Wolf> It messes up on Gnome.
[09:44] <tafsen> If I installed Kubuntu trough Ubuntu, do I need to change the source,list then?
[09:44] <Wolf> No..
[09:45] <Wolf> Just type in 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[09:45] <superdump> Jecos: here goes the big update
[09:45] <Jecos> have fun
[09:47] <tafsen> Jecos: I didn't find it with apt-get
[09:47] <Wolf> tafsen, Eh...hold on.
[09:49] <Jecos> make sure you don't upper case anything
[09:54] <tafsen> Witch version is in the repositories?
[09:56] <Wolf> 3.5.0
[09:56] <Wolf> 3.5.1 is in Daper.
[09:56] <Wolf> Dapper*
[09:56] <Jecos> 3.5.0 is in a seperate repository then breezy though
[09:56] <Wolf> You can upgrade to that, by changing the reposiories.
[09:57] <Jecos> it was released after breezy... did they throw it in breezy-updates?
[09:57] <Wolf> I thnk so.
[09:58] <tafsen> talking about Baghira :p
[09:58] <KaZoiTeZ> good evening
[09:58] <garnix> Hi
[09:59] <KaZoiTeZ> hallo garnix
[09:59] <KaZoiTeZ> can i ask a question ? about kubuntu help ?
[09:59] <garnix> Can someone give me a hand, I am trying to get a server (ccxstream, but that's not relevant) to start at startup. I've created a script for it in etc/init.d and the script works
[09:59] <garnix> it's been copied over to rc0.d and others, and seems to be correct
[10:00] <garnix> but when I boot up, it's not running. I am not sure where to look
[10:00] <maverick> yes :D
[10:00] <maverick> cheers snake
[10:00] <garnix> KaZoiTeZ: ask away heh
[10:01] <KaZoiTeZ> my Adept is allways crashing when i try to fetch updates, u use the Dakker Drake beta 3
[10:02] <KaZoiTeZ> dapper drake i mean :)
[10:06] <C-O-L-T> where can I chat with linux users, I mean to know them, like in a real chat network
[10:06] <C-O-L-T> not just talking about bugs and so on :)
[10:07] <KaZoiTeZ> maybe here ?
[10:07] <KaZoiTeZ> ^ ^
[10:08] <Ilokaasu> can somebody help me with Valknut ? i can search in passive mode but download wont start...
[10:12] <KaZoiTeZ> C-O-L-T i cant write your private message, cause im not registered :(
[10:12] <ccc_> Ilokaasu: sorry, no. but i can recommend linuxdc++ instead. however you need to build it yourself. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89603
[10:12] <C-O-L-T> KaZoiTeZ: I see then you should register yourself
[10:12] <fatejudger> sudo gives me the following error when I try and use it: sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Feb  5 20:39:15 2006
[10:13] <KaZoiTeZ> i do ^ ^
[10:13] <KaZoiTeZ> plz wait
[10:13] <C-O-L-T> KaZoiTeZ: the operators won't allow us to chat here
[10:13] <Paradosso> hi everybody
[10:13] <fatejudger> does anyone know how to fix the error above in Dapper?
[10:13] <KaZoiTeZ> maybe ICQ or GaduGadu network ?
[10:13] <fatejudger> as it stands, I can't use sudo
[10:13] <Paradosso> in my repositories I have unpaired versions of libssl and libssl-dev, which prevents me to install major kde packages
[10:14] <Paradosso> anybody has any hints on how to solve this?
[10:14] <KaZoiTeZ> oh so many ppl that ask questions and no answers :(
[10:14] <KaZoiTeZ> where are the "pros" ?
[10:15] <fatejudger> Paradosso: at least you can install packages
[10:16] <fatejudger> Paradosso: I can't even change my date and time!
[10:16] <KaZoiTeZ> fatejudger can you change your date and time in the Bios configuration ?
[10:16] <fatejudger> well, I guess I could
[10:16] <KaZoiTeZ> :( hmm
[10:16] <fatejudger> but does that really matter here?
[10:16] <fatejudger> sudo is broken
[10:16] <fatejudger> and I NEED to fix it
[10:18] <KaZoiTeZ> hmm
[10:21] <mike> has anybody else had a problem installing Perl::Tk?
[10:28] <Nilisco> Is kword a decent weord editor for kubuntu?  Anything else I should try besides abiword/openoffice?
[10:29] <Limulus> Hi hi! ^_^
[10:29] <fatejudger> Nilisco: use KOffice
[10:29] <Nilisco> I'll give it a shot fatejudger.  Thanks.
[10:29] <fatejudger> Nilisco: np
[10:29] <Limulus> Just FYI to anyone using i386 and having trouble trying to install kdeedu packages from the 3.5.1 repository
[10:30] <Limulus> I just had a brief chat with Riddell on #kubuntu-devel
[10:30] <tsdgeos> Limulus: you're a kubuntu packager?
[10:30] <Limulus> and he is aware of the problem and will try to resolve it tomorrow by uploading the missing packages :)
[10:30] <mike> is koffice just open for kde or a whole different suite?
[10:31] <tsdgeos> mike: different suite
[10:31] <Limulus> tsdgeos: no, I just noticed that they were missing ;)
[10:31] <tsdgeos> ok, i'll bug Riddell again
[10:31] <mike> interesting
[10:31] <kkathman> mike k-office is like a suite....similar to Open Office
[10:31] <mike> its more feature packed then open office?
[10:31] <kkathman> no
[10:32] <mike> hmm
[10:32] <kkathman> its reasonably new, but has alot of promise
[10:32] <mike> i might check it out, i wasnt really impressed with open office
[10:32] <kkathman> Open Office has been around a while, so has more features I think
[10:32] <kkathman> for most people, there isnt a ton of difference
[10:33] <kkathman> the Krita image editor is a nice alternative to GIMP and is much more intuitive (but less features)
[10:33] <mike> i really need to fix that sudo thing...
[10:33] <fatejudger> mike: it's a lot faster though
[10:33] <fatejudger> mike: and more intuitive
[10:33] <mike> I'm installing it now
[10:33] <brodel> how can I reset KDE somehow to show the changes I made to the panel now?
[10:33] <mike> ya, i just didnt like the interface of open
[10:34] <mike> and its gotta becompatible with excel, because my laptop still runs xp
[10:34] <farous> mike regarding compata openoffice is excellent in that respect i don't know though the case for koffice
[10:35] <LeeJunFan> brodel: some changes require you to log out/in
[10:35] <brodel> as long as you save it in the MS office format it's fine.
[10:41] <PaloDeQueso> I just tried sudo -i and it says, "sudo: must be setuid root".
[10:41] <PaloDeQueso> What happened?
[10:42] <kazoitez> returned
[10:43] <gclark> hello
[10:44] <PaloDeQueso> yea?
[10:44] <gclark> have an installation question when someone has a moment
[10:44] <conn> I have a Dell E773p monitor, and it's not displaying 1024x768 properly. I also can't get it to display 1280x1024 in anything but 60Hz regardless of Xorg.conf's settings. Help, please :)
[10:44] <gclark> trying to get kubuntu 5.1 installed on an Acer Travelmate 2300
[10:44] <PaloDeQueso> I just tried sudo -i and it says, "sudo: must be setuid root"?
[10:45] <fatejudger> PaloDeQueso: sudo -i is not a valid command
[10:45] <PaloDeQueso> I do it all the time.
[10:45] <PaloDeQueso> I used to until about 5 minutes ago
[10:45] <fatejudger> PaloDeQueso: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[10:45] <PaloDeQueso> well even if I use sudo then it still says that
[10:45] <PaloDeQueso> like even sudo mv /something /somehwere
[10:46] <PaloDeQueso> it still says that
[10:46] <farous> PaloDeQueso, did you enable the root account by any chance
[10:46] <fatejudger> well I can't help you right now
[10:46] <PaloDeQueso> I don't think so
[10:46] <fatejudger> sudo is broken for me too
[10:46] <PaloDeQueso> hrm..
[10:46] <PaloDeQueso> Hope it wasn't an update
[10:46] <gclark> Question: Install hangs at random times during the install process.  Have tried doing noapic, nolapic, acpi=off, etc.
[10:46] <fatejudger> PaloDeQueso: I use Dapper
[10:46] <fatejudger> PaloDeQueso: so I doubt it
[10:46] <PaloDeQueso> I'm still with breezy
[10:46] <PaloDeQueso> Is dapper usable?
[10:47] <fatejudger> PaloDeQueso: yes
[10:47] <PaloDeQueso> last I asked people said it was completely broken.
[10:47] <fatejudger> PaloDeQueso: but it's constantly changing
[10:47] <PaloDeQueso> Perhaps I'll give it a try.
[10:47] <fatejudger> PaloDeQueso: things break, and things get fixed
[10:47] <PaloDeQueso> yea, I ran breezy beta for a while
[10:47] <KaZoiTeZ> my dapper drake works fine
[10:47] <fatejudger> PaloDeQueso: it's kind of annoying actually
[10:47] <fatejudger> I can't use the ATI fglrx drivers in Dapper
[10:47] <PaloDeQueso> not yet.
[10:48] <fatejudger> timezones are broken right now
[10:48] <KaZoiTeZ> only my Adept isnt working
[10:48] <farous> PaloDeQueso, try reinstalling sudo or run ksu instead
[10:48] <PaloDeQueso> ksu?
[10:48] <fatejudger> and I broke sudo somehow
[10:48] <fatejudger> by changing the time
[10:48] <farous> PaloDeQueso, it is the graphical front end for sudo might work
[10:48] <PaloDeQueso> How can I reinstall sudo without having sudo available
[10:48] <crimsun> no, that's tty tickets from sudo doing it
[10:49] <PaloDeQueso> I can try kdesu
[10:49] <crimsun> just open an additional konsole and use sudo there
[10:49] <gclark> try using the root terminal and setting the root password there?
[10:49] <PaloDeQueso> I've tried both
[10:49] <fatejudger> no one has any idea why sudo is giving me some timestamp error?
[10:50] <chaoticgeek> hello all
[10:50] <crimsun> fatejudger: I just told you.
[10:50] <fatejudger> sound isn't working right now, I think xine is broken
[10:50] <fatejudger> crimsun: ?
[10:50] <jung> how do i upgrade to kde 3.5.1?
[10:50] <crimsun> fatejudger: read the last two things I typed
[10:50] <KaZoiTeZ> my adept could not get any Packets, only the pakets from the CD no pakets from the internet servers,
[10:50] <fatejudger> crimsun: wasn't that for the other person?
[10:50] <kkathman> fatejudger:  this explains it  http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/man/sudo.html
[10:50] <PaloDeQueso> Has anyone watched the videos for novell linux 10
[10:50] <PaloDeQueso> ?
[10:51] <crimsun> fatejudger: no, your timestamp issue can be worked around using what I typed
[10:51] <fatejudger> crimsun: wtf, why does that work?
[10:51] <fatejudger> crimsun: and how do I fix the actual issue?
[10:51] <crimsun> fatejudger: ...and I told you that, too
[10:51] <chaoticgeek> ok, well I'm having a bit of problems
[10:51] <chaoticgeek> wait.. I will be right back
[10:51] <PaloDeQueso> I don't understand, I just installed xqf with sudo and then boom sudo was broken?!?!?
[10:52] <fatejudger> crimsun: no, you told me the workaround
[10:52] <fatejudger> crimsun: it's kind of difficult to follow what you're saying if you don't highlight my name
[10:53] <crimsun> fatejudger: the issue lies in libc6 dropping timezone, which has migrated to locales
[10:53] <fatejudger> crimsun: so they're doing it the Windows way now?
[10:53] <crimsun> fatejudger: if you want to read why the workaround works, read sudo's documentation on tty tickets
[10:53] <gclark> Question: Install hangs at random times during the install process.  Have tried doing noapic, nolapic, acpi=off.  CD verifies correctly.  Any ideas?
[10:53] <crimsun> fatejudger: "the Windows way"?
[10:54] <fatejudger> crimsun: Windows doesn't offset the time from UMT like Linux does
[10:54] <fatejudger> crimsun: it just sets the system time to the local time
[10:54] <chaoticgeek> ok, ya I'm having problems
[10:54] <crimsun> fatejudger: err no, that hasn't changed at all. The only change is in which actual package ships timezone info.
[10:55] <fatejudger> crimsun: well how do I get the timezones back?
[10:55] <chaoticgeek> Ok, I went to wiki.ubuntu.com and I did the nvidia binary driver install, then I did 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and selected 1280x1024 however I still can not get 1280x1024
[10:55] <crimsun> fatejudger: it should have been fixed with the latest libc6 and locales upgrades
[10:55] <crimsun> fatejudger: otherwise run tzconfig manually
[10:56] <chaoticgeek> on ubuntu I was able to do that right after doing the nvidia binary driver install
[10:56] <mae> did anyone have their timezones dissapear in latest dapper?
[10:56] <PaloDeQueso> ok, it seems no matter how I try to use the root accout, su, sudo, kdesu, etc... it says that same thing.
[10:56] <PaloDeQueso> I'm confused.
[10:56] <fatejudger> crimsun: ok, thanks
[10:56] <fatejudger> crimsun: that wasn't working before
[10:56] <crimsun> mae: just rerun tzconfig manually
[10:56] <chaoticgeek> anyone have any ideas for me?
[10:57] <fatejudger> I think xine is broken
[10:57] <mae> crimsun: my tz is set correctly, but all the timezones dissapeared -- i can't set diff tz's in applets , it only shows UTC timezone
[10:57] <fatejudger> mae: update
[10:58] <mae> fatejudger: i have run all the updates
[10:58] <fatejudger> mae: then rerun tzconfig
[10:58] <crimsun> if you track Dapper, you need to update hourly
[10:58] <fatejudger> crimsun: seriously
[10:58] <fatejudger> crimsun: although there haven't been any updates today
[10:58] <crimsun> (yeah, the weekend and such)
[11:01] <mae> ok tzconfig just lets me set my localtime
[11:02] <fatejudger> I thought ATI had released a new version of their drivers
[11:02] <mae> like i said my problem is that all the timezones have dissapeared from the kde clock applet
[11:02] <fatejudger> that works with the new kernel
[11:02] <mae> only the default 'c' utc timezone shows up
[11:02] <fatejudger> mae: sudo tzconfig
[11:02] <mae> fatejudger: i did that
[11:02] <mae> fatejudger: all it does is modify /etc/localtime
[11:02] <fatejudger> yea
[11:02] <mae> it doesn't make missing timezones magically appear
[11:04] <fatejudger> mae: well it shows the timezones for me
[11:04] <fatejudger> mae: is xine broken for you?
[11:04] <fatejudger> mae: amarok isn't working with xine
[11:04] <mae> fatejudger: did you grab the latest 3.5.1
[11:04] <mae> nah mine is working
[11:04] <mae> but i noticed they borked the 3.5.1 package quite a bit
[11:05] <mae> amarok gstreamer engine dissappeared
[11:05] <mae> i think my tz issue might also have something to do w/ it :)
[11:06] <fatejudger> mae: yeah, I can't compile amarok with gstreamer
[11:11] <gclark> So no ideas for the installer hangup?
[11:13] <KaZoiTeZ> hey
[11:13] <KaZoiTeZ> my adept could not get any Packets, only the pakets from the CD no pakets from the internet servers,
[11:13] <KaZoiTeZ> is my sources.list
[11:17] <Mazingaro> is there anyone playing with doom3????
[11:20] <KaZoiTeZ> im playing doom3
[11:20] <KaZoiTeZ> but on win32
[11:30] <Steven_M> Does anyonyone know whether kubuntu has a built-in firewall.
[11:30] <Steven_M> ?
[11:31] <aleman> Steven_M: not that I know of
[11:31] <aleman> what I find to be the easiest solution is to download Bastille
[11:31] <Kejk_PL> Steven_M: user@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache search firewall kde
[11:31] <Kejk_PL> guarddog - firewall configuration utility for KDE
[11:31] <aleman> it only takes like 4 mins to have it up and running
[11:34] <Kaiser_Sleeps> Steven_M: the firewall is part of the kernel - iptables
[11:35] <Kaiser_Sleeps> it's the configuration gui that you have to find for yourself (and there's plenty about)
[11:35] <Steven_M> thanks both of you. Does it it work when you're in other window managers too?
[11:36] <Zappa> anyone tried to run kylix 3 on ubuntu? i'm getting some odd error
[11:36] <Steven_M> brb
[11:43] <morgajel|draccus> quick question- a friend installed kubuntu and is having soundcard issues. I told him to run alsaconf, but he says it doesn't exist, depsite alsa-utils being installed.  any idea why it isn't there, or if it got moved to a different package?
[11:43] <crimsun> *buntu doesn't install alsaconf
[11:44] <morgajel|draccus> crimsun: hrm.
[11:44] <morgajel|draccus> well, is there a workaround? that's pretty important functionality
[11:45] <crimsun> he needs to describe to me what his config is
[11:46] <morgajel|draccus> alright, let me herd him in here.
[11:46] <morgajel|draccus> crimsun: brad is the one having issues
[11:47] <brad> hi
[11:47] <crimsun> hi
[11:47] <crimsun> must be in the charlotte area
[11:47] <brad> i appreciate you taking the time to help me
[11:47] <morgajel|draccus> brad: ok, explain the issue from the top
[11:47] <brad> i am
[11:49] <brad> ok, I just installed kubuntu. My machine is a 1 year old clone box with a via onboard sound card.  I have installed most of the packages that it seems like I should.  I have a screen shot of what the OS thinks is installed here : http://braddoro.com/private/kinfocenter.png  I have tested the speakers, they work.  and when I play a song, the player THINKS it is playing it. I see the sound abrd moving and the song tracking
[11:50] <Nomad411> brad: Check what settings you have with kmix?
[11:50] <Nomad411> could somethign be mute?
[11:50] <brad> Nomad411:  the volume is up on everything, is that what you mean?
[11:50] <Nomad411> and unmuted too I'm sure :)
[11:51] <Nomad411> Then your player may be set to output to something else than your speakers..
[11:51] <brad> glowing means unmuted, right?
[11:51] <Nomad411> I think so :)
[11:51] <Nomad411> And, I'm sure you checked, but the speakers are plugged in to the proper outlet? (Green I think)
[11:52] <Nomad411> Just eliminating the obvious things
[11:52] <brad> Nomad411: hehe, yes I checked
[11:52] <Nomad411> good :)
[11:52] <brad> and I plugged them into a seperate source and they play
[11:52] <Nomad411> then check into the output of the player maybe
[11:52] <Nomad411> different players?
[11:52] <crimsun> pastebin the output from ``amixer'' in a Konsole onto pastebin
[11:52] <Nomad411> !vmplayer
[11:52] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Nomad411
[11:53] <brad> i tried xmms, kaffene and amaroak
[11:53] <Nomad411> ummm
[11:53] <Nomad411> what are you playing, a CD or a file?
[11:53] <brad> i ahve tried both but right now I am playing a file I just ripped
[11:54] <brad> crimsun:  I don't understand how to do that
[11:54] <crimsun> open a Konsole, type amixer, and paste the output onto the http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org Web site
[11:54] <brad> aah
[11:56] <brad> here it is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8082
[11:59] <crimsun> brad: are you actually using the optical/digital output?
[11:59] <brad> uuuh
[11:59] <brad> i don't think so
[12:00] <PaloDeQueso> Can I use a live boot disc to fix my sudo problem?
[12:00] <brad> I'm just using the normal output that I have always used
[12:00] <Nomad411> Does anyone know if the vmplayer plays windows XP?
[12:00] <PaloDeQueso> anytime I try to use sudo, su, kdesu or anything like that, it says. "sudo: must be setuid root"


[13:14] <sforshee> LocutusOfBorg: the virtualbox dkms modules fail to build with the cosmic-proposed kernel, I've pointed to a fix on bug 1776671
[15:59] <LocutusOfBorg> sforshee, did you look at virtualbox/proposed? :)
[16:23] <sforshee> LocutusOfBorg: no I guess not
[16:25] <sforshee> need to get some test results for that with 4.17
[17:38] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks sforshee!


[00:51] <StevenK> wallyworld: Mind reviewing a mostly-mechnical MP? https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/force-bug-enums-into-line/+merge/97123
[00:51] <wallyworld> StevenK: sure
[00:53] <wallyworld> StevenK: have you pushed a subsequent change, mp says diff still updating
[00:54] <StevenK> I have not, that's it
[00:54] <wallyworld> and it just disappeared
[00:54] <wallyworld> so it seems to hang around for a bit
[00:54] <StevenK> Reload the page, longpoll is dumb
[00:54] <wallyworld> i have been
[00:54] <wallyworld> and yet it stilled stayed on the page
[00:55] <StevenK> Sigh. This is why we can't have nice things.
[00:55] <wallyworld> no, IE is why we can't have nice things
[00:56] <wallyworld> StevenK: r=me
[00:59]  * StevenK lp-lands it, it's very benign
[00:59] <wallyworld> WCPGW
[00:59] <StevenK> Haha
[00:59] <wallyworld> :-)
[03:19] <StevenK> lifeless: Are you still AFK?
[03:33] <wgrant> StevenK: He's sick AFAIK.
[03:34] <StevenK> Well, we both knew that already.
[03:34] <StevenK> :-P
[03:34] <wgrant> Hah
[03:34] <StevenK> But okay, noted.
[03:57] <lifeless> StevenK: future ref - staff calendar will show you
[03:57] <lifeless> StevenK: and yes, throat full of razor blades, cold sweats, muscle pain, sinus. ye whole works.
[03:58] <lifeless> that said,
[03:58] <lifeless> !ask | StevenK
[03:58] <wgrant> Also, backscroll.
[03:59] <StevenK> lifeless: It is not urgent, and for further win, is not work-related.
[03:59] <StevenK> lifeless: So don't worry about it.
[04:00] <lifeless> StevenK: well, I'm here for a few minutes, so please do ask
[04:03] <StevenK> lifeless: You need to be lucid enough to remember your GPG passphrase. :-)
[04:03] <lifeless> go one
[04:03] <StevenK> lifeless: http://keyring.debian.org/replacing_keys.html
[04:04] <StevenK> I'd like to get my 1024D key out, and my 4096R key in.
[04:04] <lifeless> heh
[04:04] <lifeless> I should too
[04:05] <StevenK> lifeless: I can toss you the full fingerprints in privmsg
[04:06] <lifeless> mail, signed by your old key; isn't that part of the protocol ?
[04:06] <StevenK> Doesn't have to be
[04:06] <StevenK> If it still valid, I can choose to sign it with the old key
[04:07] <lifeless> is your new key in the keyservers?
[04:07] <StevenK> Yeah
[04:07] <lifeless> 588A553F, ?
[04:07] <StevenK> That's it
[04:11] <lifeless> hmm, I don't have a trust path to it
[04:12] <lifeless> skype ?
[04:12] <lifeless> StevenK: ^
[04:13] <StevenK> Let me get that out
[04:14] <StevenK> You don't have a trust path to C87FFC2F either?
[04:14] <lifeless> don't seem to
[04:14] <lifeless> of course, gpg may have lost local trust settings or whatever
[04:14] <lifeless> whatever; will take 30 seconds to directly verify
[04:16] <StevenK> lifeless: I'm Skype-enabled if you're ready.
[04:21]  * StevenK prods Skype
[04:22]  * StevenK waits for lifeless to ping timeout from IRC ...
[05:16] <wallyworld> huwshimi: hello, do you have any exisiting/preferred code to use for a tri-state checkbox? or a preferred implementation technique? eg css or?
[05:16] <bigjools> tri-state checkbox?
[05:16] <wallyworld> one which can show three states
[05:17] <wallyworld> yes, no, maybe
[05:17] <wallyworld> or similar
[05:17] <wallyworld> all, nothing, some
[05:17] <StevenK> Unchecked, checked, or greyed out check. If it is played with, it collapses to checked or unchecked only.
[05:17] <bigjools> a checkbox with three states... is that one where you need to visit the parallel universe to see the third state?
[05:18] <wallyworld> no, it's represented typically as a grey tick
[05:18] <huwshimi> wallyworld: What's the situation?
[05:18] <bigjools> sorry, juju has made me flippant this afternoon
[05:18] <wallyworld> huwshimi: for the sharing ui. the user needs to select to share "all", 'Some' or 'Nothing'
[05:18] <wallyworld> bigjools: fuck off
[05:18] <wallyworld> huwshimi: 'some' would be grey
[05:19] <wallyworld> 'all' would be ticked
[05:19] <huwshimi> wallyworld: Would checkboxes with those labels work?
[05:19] <wallyworld> huwshimi: tri-state is more compact. the other solution is radio buttons, but yuk
[05:19] <bigjools> wallyworld: sorry I can't hear you over the sound of my own awesomeness
[05:20] <wallyworld> huwshimi: radio buttons would take up a bit of space
[05:20] <wallyworld> and not scale that well
[05:20] <StevenK> bigjools: Must be pretty quiet, then.
[05:20] <huwshimi> wallyworld: The standard toolkits don't even SUPPORT tri-state checkboxes
[05:20] <wallyworld> StevenK: speak up, i can't hear you over the whinging pom
[05:20] <bigjools> StevenK: good comeback, I must remember that one
[05:20] <StevenK> wallyworld: :-D
[05:21] <wallyworld> huwshimi: yeah, there's several css/js based solutions people have used
[05:21] <huwshimi> wallyworld: I'd really prefer we not use a tri-state
[05:21] <wallyworld> :-(
[05:21] <wallyworld> it's a very common paradigm
[05:21] <StevenK> bigjools: Can't tell if trolling, or ...
[05:21] <wallyworld> huwshimi: what don't you like?
[05:23] <wallyworld> huwshimi: if i resort to radio buttons, the sharing picker is sure going to look fugly
[05:23] <huwshimi> wallyworld: I'd prefer us to be much more explicit, especially as sharing the wrong thing has high ramifications. A tri-state will make the user have to think/guess about what each state might be.
[05:24] <huwshimi> wallyworld: I'm not convinced it will be ugly. If it is, we may be doing something else worng
[05:24] <huwshimi> wallyworld: And no, it's not a common paradigm in web applications (it's not even common elsewhere).
[05:24] <wallyworld> huwshimi: hmmm. ok. i'll rework the ui and see how it looks
[05:24] <StevenK> The states are ALL, NONE and SOME. If the user changes it, it collapses to ALL or NONE. Sounds pretty clear to me.
[05:24] <wallyworld> huwshimi: we must look at different apps then
[05:25] <wallyworld> it's not that common on the web
[05:25] <StevenK> I remember tri-state from *shudder* my time doing Visual Basic.
[05:25] <wallyworld> but what about installers as one example
[05:25] <wallyworld> where you get to choose all packages, non, or some
[05:27] <wgrant> I don't recall seeing many tristate checkboxes outside horrifyingly awful Microsoft Office options dialogs.
[05:27] <wallyworld> wgrant: i'm sure i've used a linux installer at some point with them
[05:27] <wallyworld> maybe suse
[05:27] <wgrant> Red Hat doesn't exist
[05:28] <StevenK> If only
[05:28] <wallyworld> it's a very compact and convenient way to represent all/some/none
[05:28] <wgrant> And it makes it rather challenging to recover.
[05:28] <StevenK> Indeed. You can't go back to Some if you click the wrong checkbox
[05:29] <StevenK> I hate the idea of comboboxes for each too, since that's just disgusting
[05:29] <wallyworld> no, it's tri-state
[05:29] <huwshimi> wallyworld: The most common use for a tri-state is to represent the state of other checkboxes on the page.
[05:29] <wallyworld> as you click, it cycles through the states
[05:29] <wgrant> wallyworld: I don't think I've ever seen one of those before.
[05:30] <wgrant> AFAICR they just collapse into one of the two extremes.
[05:30] <wallyworld> huwshimi: yes, that's true
[05:30] <wgrant> You can never return to some.
[05:30] <StevenK> That's what I recall.
[05:30] <wallyworld> i'm clearly outvoted :-)
[05:30] <wallyworld> i'll do it as radio buttons
[05:30] <wgrant> Ewww
[05:31] <wallyworld> what alternatives do i have? drop down combo?
[05:31] <wallyworld> i guess i could do that
[05:31] <StevenK> New widget, but ...
[05:31] <wgrant> That would be even worse, I think.
[05:31] <wallyworld> sooo, we don't like tri-state checkeboxes, nor radio buttons, nor drop down combo; there ain't much kleft
[05:32] <StevenK> |-- ALL / -|- SOME / --| NONE
[05:32] <StevenK> If you excuse my horrid ASCII-art, that's my idea, but I don't like it either.
[05:32] <wgrant> I was thinking maybe a lozenge radio button.
[05:32] <wgrant> Which is slightly less obese than full radio buttons.
[05:32] <huwshimi> wallyworld: Can you show me the situation somehow?
[05:32] <wallyworld> maybe
[05:33] <wallyworld> huwshimi: https://qastaging.launchpad.net/launchpad/+sharing
[05:33] <StevenK> wgrant: Can haz example? I've never heard of those
[05:33] <wallyworld> huwshimi: click on the +Share with someone link
[05:34] <wallyworld> huwshimi: choose a person and then see the 2nd step where you get to chosse the sharing permissions
[05:34] <wallyworld> huwshimi: there are currently checkboxes but they need to be tri-state
[05:34] <wgrant> StevenK: The [ Test | One | Two ] on http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars/3
[05:35] <wallyworld> huwshimi: lozenge buttons seem the best suggestion so far i think
[05:35] <StevenK> wgrant, wallyworld: That was what I meant with my ASCII-art
[05:35] <wgrant> sinzui will cry, as they have bad history in Launchpad.
[05:35] <wgrant> But for unrelated uses.
[05:35] <wgrant> StevenK: Oh, I assumed your thing was more like the horrible GTK3 toggle things.
[05:36] <wallyworld> StevenK: ah of course. you also printed out naked women on dot matrix tractor printers and stood 100 feet away too didn't you?
[05:36] <wgrant> With the line that's either on the left or right.
[05:37] <StevenK> wallyworld: No ... it was the fastest way to get my point across.
[05:37] <StevenK> Sadly, wgrant did it better, like usual.
[05:37] <wallyworld> StevenK: just giving you shit
[05:37] <StevenK> I know. ;-)
[05:37] <StevenK> wallyworld: Since you're full of it, it has to go somewhere ...
[05:37] <wallyworld> lol
[05:38] <wallyworld> huwshimi: you find what i mean ok?
[05:38] <huwshimi> wallyworld: I did
[05:38] <wallyworld> huwshimi: i await your verdict :-)
[05:38]  * StevenK votes for lozenge radio buttons.
[05:40]  * wallyworld so does wallyworld
[05:41] <wallyworld> do we have any code in lp for those?
[05:41] <StevenK> Curious how to do them in YUI
[05:41] <wallyworld> surely there's a widget someone has donr
[05:42] <huwshimi> Do we use the lozenge anywhere else in Launchpad?
[05:42] <wgrant> We used to have lozenge menus, but they were abolished in 3.0.
[05:43] <StevenK> And sinzui probably danced on their grave.
[05:43] <wgrant> We all did.
[05:43] <wgrant> It was a glorious day.
[05:44] <huwshimi> If we don't use the elsewhere then I don't think now is the right time to be introducing new UI concepts
[05:44] <huwshimi> wallyworld: What you might have to do is produce a few really quick mockups so we can see the options
[05:44] <wgrant> Sure, but what else can we use that doesn't look horrible?
[05:44] <StevenK> But the concept is the correct way to show a tri-state ...
[05:45] <huwshimi> I'm sure we can do it with any of the options and not make it horrible
[05:45] <huwshimi> but introducing unusual UI concepts probably isn't the smartest idea right now
[05:46] <wallyworld> huwshimi: lozenge maybe new for lp but not outside of lp. and lp is very primative so i wouldn't use it's current widget set as a guide to the current best practice
[05:46] <huwshimi> wallyworld: Right, but no-one has enough time to work on a new UI concept to the point where we get it right
[05:47] <wallyworld> if not lozenge, then the only choices are radio button and drop down. i can see what they both look like
[05:47] <StevenK> And they'll both be terrible, I fear
[05:47] <wallyworld> me too :-(
[05:52] <huwshimi> wallyworld, wgrant, StevenK: Tell me why all the rest of the options are terrible.
[05:52] <huwshimi> I want to be convinced
[05:53] <wallyworld> huwshimi: radio buttons are too verbose and not that well suited to being displayed for each item in a list
[05:53] <wallyworld> huwshimi: drop downs don't allow the user to easily see all of the choices available without clocking
[05:54] <StevenK> Yes, does a grid of 21 radio buttons make for good UI?
[05:54] <huwshimi> wallyworld: How are radio buttons more verbose than the lozenge
[05:54] <huwshimi> ?
[05:54] <huwshimi> StevenK: There will be a maximum of nine
[05:54] <huwshimi> StevenK: Usually six
[05:55] <StevenK> I doubt it, for large projects.
[05:55] <wallyworld> huwshimi: they are more compact, radio buttons have the clickable widget and text separate
[05:55] <huwshimi> wallyworld: We have plenty of space
[05:56] <StevenK> There are *better* ways to display tri-stated information than an arry of radio buttons.
[05:56] <StevenK> Just thinking about it makes me want to stab my eyes.
[05:56] <wallyworld> huwshimi: i think guis are better when they don't misuse space
[05:57] <huwshimi> StevenK: I'm not convinced that we can do a better job of building them though
[05:58] <huwshimi> I think I'd rather us do something that we can't go wrong with than introduce a new UI concept that will most likely introduce a support and maintenance cost
[05:59] <StevenK> I think we have to mock up the three choices
[05:59] <wgrant> I'm not sure a dropdown is a choice.
[05:59] <StevenK> Neither.
[05:59] <wallyworld> i guess it's hard sometimes for people who understand these ui concepts to see how it would introduce a support cost
[06:00] <wallyworld> it's not like lp is aimed at people who don't know computers
[06:00] <wallyworld> and if you are using the sharing ui and you can't use a lozenge or whatever then you have no business in the ui
[06:01] <huwshimi> wallyworld: Sure, but given our track record of UI design, creating a lozenge widget for example has a high risk of failure. It's not just that the user won't be able to figure it out, it's that we won't do a good enough job at creating something that works perfectly.
[06:02] <wallyworld> oh, the pain, stabbed in the heart
[06:05] <nigelb> drama queen.
[06:05]  * nigelb ducks and runs
[06:06] <huwshimi> wallyworld: We have to consider these things when making decisions. Especially as I'm not sure we'd gain enough to warrant the extra development time (forgetting adding another inconsistent UI concept etc.)
[06:08] <wallyworld> huwshimi: np. there's a line between "adding inconsistent ui" and "using the right tool for the job" and i guess that's what needs to be looked at
[06:09] <huwshimi> wallyworld: I think if we do some mockups we can make a decision pretty quickly
[06:10] <wallyworld> huwshimi: ok. thanks for the input, appreciated
[06:10] <wallyworld> nigelb: i wouldn't stick my head up after what happened in the cricket :-P
[06:11] <nigelb> dammit
[06:11] <nigelb> :P
[06:40] <wgrant> wallyworld: Oh, nice, a dict marshaller for lazr.restful. How does that affect the WADL?
[07:37] <wallyworld> wgrant: not sure about what you mean by the effect on the wadl. it generates fine and looks ok but i'm no expert. all the web services tests that invoke that method pass
[07:41] <wgrant> wallyworld: Right, just wondering how easily we can convince launchpadlib to interpret it well.
[07:43] <wallyworld>         service.sharePillarInformation(pillar=ws_pillar, sharee=ws_grantee,
[07:43] <wallyworld>             permissions={InformationType.USERDATA.title: SharingPermission.ALL.title})
[07:43] <wallyworld> wgrant: you just pass in a dict as expected
[07:43] <wallyworld> wgrant: the keys are values are marshalled
[07:44] <wgrant> wallyworld: Ah, right, it's only going the other way that it'll need special code.
[07:44] <wgrant> Methods that *return* dicts
[07:45] <wallyworld> wgrant: there's an unmarshall method which is properly implemented (generates json data). will that be used for return types?
[07:45] <wgrant> wallyworld: The server side has always worked, AFAIK
[07:45] <wgrant> I wrote a couple of methods which returned dicts
[07:46] <wallyworld> someone filed a bug related to returning dicts from memory
[07:46] <wgrant> lazr.restfulclient doesn't know what to do with them, so it just returns them as dicts of strs.
[07:46] <wallyworld> bug 481090
[07:46] <_mup_> Bug #481090: Cannot define a method that returns a dict <lazr.restful:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/481090 >
[07:47] <wallyworld> ah, ok, lazr.restfulclient
[08:14] <lifeless> StevenK: signed and pushed
[08:14] <StevenK> lifeless: Thanks. I've submitted an RT (two in fact, because I'm a complete blockhead); we shall see what keyring-maint says.
[08:26] <czajkowski> goood morning
[08:43] <StevenK> czajkowski: Proof required. :-P
[08:46] <czajkowski> I have tea and oddles of toast with peanut butter nothign going to upset me :)
[09:05] <jelmer> g'morning launchpadders
[10:33] <gmb> Does anyone else see this whilst trying to use the bzr beta PPA?: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/881655/
[10:34] <bigjools> gmb: they are not publishing precise packages yet
[10:34] <gmb> Ah.
[10:34] <gmb> Bottom.
[10:35] <bigjools> is precise not beta enough for you? :)
[10:35] <gmb> I want my bleeding edge to look like it came out of an accident with a bandsaw.
[10:36] <wgrant> You want ppa:bzr/daily :)
[10:36] <gmb> :).
[10:37] <bigjools> christ, my desktop PC has gone 3 weeks with no net connection and now dist-upgrade has taken an hour so far (50 mins of that actually installing)
[10:37] <gmb> wgrant, You may know the answer to this: Is it wise or unwise to use setup.py from within the Makefile of a debian package?
[10:38] <czajkowski> joys of precise :)
[10:42] <StevenK> gmb: If Makefile == debian/rules, then how else are you going to do it?
[10:43] <maxb> gmb: debian package ... Makefile?   you mean debian/rules?
[10:45] <maxb> also re bzr ppa, at the moment bzr/beta == bzr/proposed
[10:45] <maxb> er
[10:46] <maxb> also re bzr ppa, at the moment bzr/beta == bzr/ppa
[10:46] <gmb> maxb, StevenK: Well, yes (AFAICT that's calling the Makefile in the top level of the source, which is that I'm referring to).
[10:46] <StevenK> gmb: Oh, right, your build step calls $(MAKE)
[10:46] <maxb> urgh, you have a horrid package with both a setup.py and a Makefile
[10:47] <gmb> maxb, It mixes python and shell stuff.
[10:47] <gmb> I'm considering doing the python bit manually though
[10:47] <gmb> Because setup.py just vomits.
[10:47] <gmb> ... when the package is being built, anyway.
[10:47] <gmb> Actually, maybe it would be simpler to have a separate package for the python stuff.
[10:47] <StevenK> Doing the python bit in Make will cause you to put your keyboard cord around your neck and yank hard.
[10:49] <gmb> StevenK, Ah, I see. Separate package is looking very tempting, then.
[10:49] <gmb> Screw it, the original package can depend on the new one.
[10:49] <StevenK> WCPGW
[10:49] <gmb> Hah.
[10:50] <gmb> StevenK, maxb: Thanks chaps.
[10:50] <gmb> At least I know i'm not entirely mad.
[10:51] <StevenK> But you don't have that far to travel.
[10:52] <gmb> StevenK, Well, no, I still work on Launchpad. "Madness" is within spitting distance.
[10:57] <wgrant> gmb: What's the package?
[10:58] <gmb> wgrant, charm-tools.
[10:58]  * StevenK reads a conversation on another channel, and reaches for his keyboard so he can wrap the cord around his neck, and then realises it's a wireless keyboard ...
[10:58] <wgrant> Hm, so -server wrote it?
[10:58] <gmb> wgrant, Yes, I think so.
[10:59] <wgrant> Odd that it is so awkward, then.
[10:59] <gmb> wgrant, Well, what's awkward is that I'm adding Python stuff to it. It worked perfectly until I started pratting about.
[10:59] <wgrant> Oh
[10:59] <gmb> Anyway, I'm going to bug clint about it this afternoon :)
[10:59] <wgrant> That would do it.
[10:59] <wgrant> Separate package :)
[10:59] <gmb> Yeah :)
[11:00] <wgrant> Ooh.
[11:00] <wgrant> Parallel test suite bugs.
[11:00] <wgrant> You have something working, then? :)
[11:02] <gmb> wgrant, "Working" is relative. But yes, we do, now that we've solved a lot of the weirdnesses with lxc and -start-ephemeral.
[11:04] <wgrant> Heh.
[11:04] <wgrant> Good good.
[11:17] <nigelb> StevenK: #firstworldproblems
[11:20] <gmb> Holy mother of dog and all her wacky nephews. Why are my comments on merge proposals posted with all the spaces stripped out? What's this nonsense?
[14:48] <fjlacoste> benji: have you looked at wallyworld's lsazr.restful branch yet?
[14:48] <fjlacoste> i was about to write a review for it
[14:48] <fjlacoste> but you are a pending reviewers
[14:48] <benji> fjlacoste: I wasn't aware of it.  I would be happy to look and equally happy for you to do so.
[14:49] <fjlacoste> benji: i'll take care of it
[14:49] <benji> I wonder why I wasn't aware of it.  I'll try to figure that out.
[14:54] <jcsackett> benji: i ifnd when i'm working off the web UI i sometimes miss things b/c i was looking at /launchpad/+activereviews instead of /launchpad-project/+activereviews?
[14:54] <jcsackett> ... that shouldn't have ended in a question mark.
[14:55] <benji> jcsackett: ooh, that may be it; I hope firefox auto-complete learns the better one quickly ;)
[14:56] <jcsackett> benji: i hope it learns it faster than chromium's did for me. :-)
[14:56] <benji> heh
[14:58] <fjlacoste> benji: well, i agree that it's weird unless he explicitely asked a review from you
[14:58] <fjlacoste> because i would have expected that to be assigned to the team
[15:00] <benji> fjlacoste: he did ask for a review from me (at least that's what it says now), and since the email looks so much like all the non-personal review requests I see I passed over it.  I'm in the process of making messages like that highlighted so they won't slip through again.
[15:21] <benji> gary_poster: I bet you're already doing this, but it dawned on me that using -vvvvvv with the test runner would show me the actual order in which the tests were run
[15:21] <benji> gary_poster: you also know that I'm in the wrong channel
[15:22] <gary_poster> benji yes :-)
[15:22] <gary_poster> I'm using -vv, which is giving me the order
[15:22] <gary_poster> I'm switching channels!
[15:23] <benji> yeah, never remember how many Vs do what, so I just hold down V until I get tired
[16:12] <sinzui> jcsackett, I reopened bug 933794 and updated it. +audit-sharing still needs a summary of users, policies and level of sharing
[16:12] <_mup_> Bug #933794: +audit-sharing does not show a block summarising who is shared with <disclosure> <qa-ok> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/933794 >
[17:00] <jcsackett> sinzui: dig.
[17:01] <jcsackett> sinzui: thought that might be a new bug; i'm good with just changing the existing one though.
[17:15] <czajkowski> fjlacoste: any idea why on lp all the footers with Contact Launchpad Support    end up https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[17:25] <sinzui> czajkowski, I know
[17:26] <czajkowski> sinzui: oh do tell :)
[17:26] <czajkowski> dont leave me hanging :)
[17:27] <sinzui> czajkowski, We want users to ask question in a place we support rather then sending email to a place to be ignored
[17:27] <czajkowski> sinzui: so where are people finding the feedback mail address
[17:27] <czajkowski> and how am I getting questions via RT then
[17:28] <sinzui> czajkowski, The link is not static. anonymous users see a different link because only logged in users can ask  a question..and anonymous users are probably trying to login which is not something we at Lp can help with
[17:28] <sinzui> czajkowski, anonymous users send those
[17:28] <czajkowski> hmm ok
[17:28] <czajkowski> thanks sinzui
[17:29] <sinzui> czajkowski, many rt emails are in reply to emails generated from Lp, such as commercial inquiries and translation issues
[17:30] <czajkowski> the commercial folks are using feedback as well
[17:30] <sinzui> czajkowski, anonymous users see a link to https://help.launchpad.net/Feedback
[17:30] <czajkowski> just curious as spring cleaning rt
[17:30] <czajkowski> sinzui: cheers for the ifo
[17:31] <sinzui> czajkowski, I hope that changes I making these week will reduce the emails. I am replacing the generic license issues message with ones specific to the case. This will land in a few days
[17:31] <sinzui> The generic email is confusing
[17:31] <czajkowski> excellent
[18:49] <salgado> I see we have some BugTasks which have a productseries bug no product, and I also see IBugTask.target can be an IProductSeries.  however, I cannot seem to figure out how to create (in a test) a bugtask with a productseries but no product... the factory method won't do that and if I try to transitionToTarget(series) I get an error:
[18:49] <salgado> IllegalTarget('Series tasks may only be created by approving nominations.',)
[18:49] <salgado> heh, now I think I understand... maybe I need to create *and* approve a nomination?
[18:50] <lifeless> conjoined masters
[18:53] <salgado> lifeless, you mean this is a conjoined master or I need to figure out what conjoined masters are and create one?
[19:07] <lifeless> conjoined masters - any series only task gets a context task added if none exists
[19:08] <lifeless> there should be no series only task bugs around
[19:08] <lifeless> search for conjoined should give you some context
[19:12] <salgado> lifeless, oh, ok, that makes sense.  but I don't actually want a bug with series-only tasks... all I want is a series-only task which AFAICT is created via nominations?
[19:30] <lifeless> salgado: thats my point, there isn't such a thing atm
[19:30] <lifeless> salgado: can you point to a bug that demonstrates what you want in prod / qas / s ?
[19:30] <lifeless> bah
[19:30] <lifeless> iwlwifi has a lot to answer for
[19:31] <salgado> lifeless, a series-only task?  there seems to be 14177 of them on staging
[19:31] <lifeless> salgado: how are you determining that ?
[19:31] <salgado> select count(*) from bugtask where product is null and productseries is not null;
[19:32] <lifeless> ah terminology
[19:32] <lifeless> thats a series task, not series only
[19:32] <lifeless> tasks are always one-of product|productseries|distro|distroseries|distropackage|distroseriespackage
[19:33] <lifeless> the conjoined master means there is always a matching product task whenever there is a product series task, and likewise for the distro+distroseries and distropackage+distroseriespackage
[19:33] <lifeless> salgado: you can make a series task by nomination or targeting; if this is for the test suite, makeBugTask(target=someseries) should do it
[19:34] <salgado> lifeless, right, I understood those tasks with series but no product will have a matching task for the product.  but what I wanted was just to know how to create such a task with a productseries but no product
[19:34] <lifeless> salgado: via the UI, API or python ?
[19:36] <salgado> lifeless, I couldn't get makeBug() to do that. it seems to always set the product on the task as well.  I've now managed to do it via makeBugNomination(), though
[19:37] <salgado> I think I was expecing makeBug() to create a single task bug it actually creates two in that case
[19:38] <salgado> for product and productseries
[19:38] <lifeless> salgado: uhm, the db won't let that happen
[19:38] <lifeless> Check constraints:
[19:38] <lifeless>     "bugtask_assignment_checks" CHECK (
[19:38] <lifeless> CASE
[19:38] <lifeless>     WHEN product IS NOT NULL THEN productseries IS NULL AND distribution IS NULL AND distroseries IS NULL AND sourcepackagename IS NULL
[19:38] <lifeless> salgado: so yes, it was making two tasks
[19:38] <lifeless> and you then need to grab the task you want
[19:40] <salgado> right, yeah, thanks for the help, lifeless
[19:40] <lifeless> no worries
[19:40] <lifeless> this is fugly
[19:40] <lifeless> I want to fix, but one thing at a time
[20:08] <lifeless> sinzui: did the recent 404 changes drop showing the oopsid ?
[20:09] <lifeless> sinzui: (It is fine if they did, just seeking confirmation it was deliberate, or whether I need to investigate something being bokred)
[20:10] <lifeless> sinzui: the breadcrumbs on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+archive/ppa/+build/3244524 include links that will 404/403
[20:10] <sinzui> lifeless,  oops rules should not change
[20:11] <lifeless> ah indeed
[20:11] <lifeless> it is a 403 which does not oops
[20:11] <lifeless> even though it matches the same bad-internal-link rule when I think about it as a human
[20:12] <lifeless> sinzui: (the ppa is private, the build is unembargoed, but the breadcrumbs still link to the ppa)
[20:12] <sinzui> lifeless, I had not consider that case. I think the user who can see that page gets Lp.LimitedView thus 200
[20:12] <sinzui> A 404/403 page does not include breadcrumbs
[20:12] <lifeless> sinzui: the build page is 200
[20:12] <sinzui> well my test show that error pages do not have breadcrumbs
[20:12] <lifeless> sinzui: the build page includes a link to the ppa page
[20:12] <lifeless> sinzui: the ppa page is 403
[20:13] <lifeless> sinzui: the link to the ppa page is in the breadcrumbs of the build page
[20:13] <sinzui> ah. I see.
[20:14] <sinzui> That is a whole new case. Someone should have written a custom breadcrumb adapter for build that exclude 404/403 situations
[20:15] <sinzui> lifeless, maybe that build page should not be public since Lp think the parent object is private...
[20:15]  * sinzui looks for bug
[20:17] <lifeless> sinzui: the build is public because it is a binary-copied security update
[20:18] <lifeless> sinzui: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-8.4
[20:18] <lifeless> This is another example of custom visibility rules deviating from the pattern and making other assumptions unsafe
[20:18] <lifeless> one way to address it would be to expose the same raw data under each archive its been copied too, or something
[20:19] <lifeless> I'd need to check code to be totally sure what its doing
[20:19] <lifeless> I will file a bug about the symptoms
[20:19] <sinzui> okay
[20:21] <lifeless> bug 954411
[20:21] <_mup_> Bug #954411: build breadcrumbs of unembargoed builds in private ppa link to the ppa which is inaccessible <403> <confusing-ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/954411 >
[20:24] <wallyworld> sinzui: i have to drop my son to school a bit later today since he is going to camp so will miss the standup
[20:25] <sinzui> wallyworld, thank you
[20:26] <wallyworld> sinzui: i'll be packing the lazr.restful change, landing the other branches which depend on it, and prtotyping a tri-state ui for the sharing picker
[20:27] <wallyworld> sinzui: we need a tri-state widget for All/Some/Nothing. tri-state checkbox was rejected on irc. so it's down to radio buttons or a lozenge
[20:27] <sinzui> Yuck
[20:28] <wallyworld> sinzui: discuss with  the guys and i'll ctach up with them when i get back
[20:28] <lifeless> if some means 'do not change', tri-state could work, but if some means some, surely they should be shown?
[20:29] <wallyworld> lifeless: some does mean some
[20:29] <wallyworld> so we need something that looks good and is compact when rendered as part of a <li>
[20:33] <sinzui> wallyworld, I read the scrollback this morning. wgrant is correct hat I do not like the lozenge because Lp users cannot see them. Lp 2.0 required extra support to explain to user the link is already on the page..just click the think that does not look like anything you have see on your operating system before
[20:34] <wallyworld> sinzui: interesting. i like lozenge widgets do i guess it does come down to personal preference. i guess radio buttons or drop down is what we have to choose from then
[20:35] <wallyworld> and drop downs were not preferred
[20:35] <wallyworld> so i'll see what can be done with radio buttons
[20:35] <sinzui> wallyworld, I agree with compact is more most important and the user must see the options
[20:35] <sinzui> so I will accept lozenges after a ui test
[20:36] <wallyworld> sinzui: cool :- ) do we have any existing code for them?
[20:42] <abentley> wallyworld: We have the order-by losenges in the bug listings.
[20:51] <wallyworld> abentley: thanks! will look at those
[20:55] <salgado> gmb, since you're the on-call reviewer today, I thought I'd ask you to ec2-land one branch that was blocked on a bug that was just fixed (bug 953316). would you mind?  (https://code.launchpad.net/~linaro-infrastructure/launchpad/workitems-widget/+merge/94790)
[20:55] <_mup_> Bug #953316: Change the workitem-migrator job to do so only for Linaro-related blueprints <qa-ok> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by salgado> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/953316 >
[20:55] <salgado> isn't it too late for gmb, though?
[20:55] <gmb> salgado: Yes, it is :) I'd forgotten to take myself out of the /topic though.
[20:55] <gmb> Sorry.
[20:55] <salgado> it only occurred to me after I wrote that
[20:56] <gmb> next question is: Why do I have an IRC client open at 9pm?
[20:56]  * gmb -> exeunt
[20:56] <salgado> heh
[20:56] <salgado> abentley, can you ec2-land that for me?
[20:57] <abentley> salgado: okay.
[20:58] <salgado> thanks abentley!
[20:58] <abentley> salgado: I just bugfixed ec2 land, so this will be a good test.
[20:59] <salgado> oh, I love being a guinea pig ;)
[22:01] <wgrant> sinzui, lifeless: It is not possible to hide the origin of a build.
[22:01] <wgrant> Copying a private build to elsewhere discloses the existence of its source archive.
[22:02] <lifeless> wgrant: thats my understanding, yes
[22:12] <sinzui> wgrant, StevenK, sorry I am delayed
[22:15] <wgrant> We forgive you :)
[22:50] <sinzui> wgrant, maybe half of this bug is fixed: Bug #181401
[22:50] <_mup_> Bug #181401: push to lp:project or lp:project/series should to set the development focus and/or create the series <lp-code> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/181401 >
[23:00] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/information_type-model/+merge/97319
[23:18] <wallyworld> StevenK: wgrant: did you discuss the sharing picker tri-state ui at the stand up?
[23:20] <StevenK> At length
[23:20] <wallyworld> verdict? just to prototype something?
[23:22] <StevenK> Dan likes the idea of the lozonge, Huw does not, the UI design that previous used lozenges was an utter failure. But yes, prototype it up.
[23:23] <wallyworld> that's the trouble with ui work - everyone seems to have very different opinions
[23:26] <wgrant> wallyworld: The issue of team members was also raised
[23:27] <wallyworld> in what respect?
[23:27] <wgrant> wallyworld: In that there might want to be an option for "None, and none for any of the team members either"
[23:27] <wallyworld> wgrant: for sure, that was in the prototypes
[23:28] <wallyworld> but we haven't got to that in the implementation yet
[23:36] <wgrant> lifeless: Can I set the bugs-fixed-elsewhere hiding flag on prod?