[00:21] <Quintasan> yofel: the question is
[00:22] <Quintasan> if it has provides flashplugin-nonfree
[00:22] <Quintasan> then why is restricted extras installer still whining about lack of flash
[00:30] <murthy> yofel: if one of the copyright in a file reads "2011-2012, Hugo Lindström<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and another files contains "2010-2011, Hugo Lindström<EMAIL_ADDRESS>should i group them as "2010-2012, Hugo Lindström<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in debian/copyright ?
[00:31] <Quintasan> murthy: Yes.
[00:32] <murthy> Quintasan: what is the later year signify ?
[00:33] <murthy> Quintasan: expiry of license ?
[00:33] <Quintasan> murthy: I'm not a copyright expert but I imagine it could mean that that certain individual made contribution to the code during those years
[00:34] <apachelogger> yeah
[00:34] <murthy> the years of contribution
[00:34] <apachelogger> licenses do not expire (unless the license says so...)
[00:35] <murthy> apachelogger: 50% of tomahawk copyright file update is over
[00:35] <apachelogger> copyright in most countries does however
[00:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: there is one thing that is not clear to me
[00:35] <Quintasan> say
[00:35] <apachelogger> so the date of when a copyrighted contribution was made is significant for that
[00:35] <Quintasan> let us suppose I made changes to the code in 2011
[00:35] <apachelogger> and just about only that really ^^
[00:35] <Quintasan> and it was under gpl2 at that time and they decided to go gpl3 in 2013
[00:36] <Quintasan> what is the actual license
[00:36] <Quintasan> ?
[00:36] <apachelogger> both?
[00:36] <murthy> gpl2+?
[00:36] <apachelogger> simple example...
[00:36] <apachelogger> say there is foo.cpp and that was gpl2
[00:36] <apachelogger> then they rewrite it completely and license that gpl3
[00:36] <murthy> oh, the actual license
[00:37] <apachelogger> the former version is gpl2 and the new is gpl3
[00:37] <apachelogger> course that is not practical
[00:37] <murthy> ya both are differennt
[00:37] <apachelogger> so if they did not rewrite it and the code remained exactly the same it's still both
[00:37] <Quintasan> apachelogger: so it is gpl2+gpl3?
[00:37] <apachelogger> i.e. you can license it gpl2 and say it was derived from the old version
[00:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: no
[00:38] <apachelogger> the code has different licensing depending on the time the code is from
[00:38] <Quintasan> Yeah, I can understand that
[00:38] <apachelogger> so if the code remained the same you can license it gpl2 or gpl3 as there is no difference
[00:38] <murthy> apachelogger: thats why they specify gpl2 or later
[00:38] <Quintasan> oh my god
[00:38] <Quintasan> so it can be either gpl3 or gpl2?
[00:39] <apachelogger> well
[00:39] <apachelogger> yes
[00:39] <apachelogger> ... a derived work may be
[00:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: say you have to write copyright for such  code
[00:39] <apachelogger> for the actual work it was gpl2 in 2011 and gpl3 in 2013
[00:39] <Quintasan> which license do you classify that as?
[00:39] <apachelogger> if you package the 2013 version gpl3
[00:39] <apachelogger> if you package the 2011 version gpl2
[00:40] <Quintasan> I see.
[00:40] <apachelogger> murthy: has nothing to do with gpl2 or later really
[00:40] <apachelogger> I can license something gpl2 and 2 only
[00:40] <apachelogger> then later relicense to gpl3
[00:40] <apachelogger> as long as the code is copyrighted by me I may relicense as often as I want etc.
[00:40] <Quintasan> That's why I hate doing debian/copyright
[00:41] <Quintasan> It's a freaking law mumbojumbo and unless you know the details you can't make a sense out of it
[00:41] <apachelogger> gpl2 or later only has impact on derived work
[00:41] <apachelogger> so I create a piece of work and license it gpl2+
[00:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan:  then takes my code and uses it in another project
[00:42] <apachelogger> he may then license this project gpl3 including my code
[00:42] <Quintasan> and the whole project would be licensed under gpl3
[00:42] <Quintasan> man
[00:42] <apachelogger> doesn't need to be
[00:43] <apachelogger> can be gpl2+ or gpl3+
[00:43] <apachelogger> or both
[00:43] <Quintasan> loo
[00:43] <Quintasan> lo
[00:43] <Quintasan> lol
[00:43] <apachelogger> cannot be gpl2 and gpl3+ though
[00:43]  * Quintasan can't get used to the new keyboard
[00:43] <apachelogger> as gpl2 and gpl3 are not compatible
[00:43] <murthy> Quintasan: i have fat fingers
[00:43] <murthy> Quintasan: happens all the time
[00:44] <apachelogger> i.e. if Quintasan were to use gpl2+ and gpl3+ in the context of the project everything woudl be gpl3+
[00:44] <Quintasan> murthy: I have a new laptop and I never had one so it's kind like a new keyboard
[00:44] <apachelogger> however I can take out invidual pieces of the gpl2+ code and put it in a gpl2+ project without havign to uplicense
[00:44] <Quintasan> oh wow
[00:44] <murthy> Quintasan: oh
[00:45] <Quintasan> apachelogger: If somebody would be stubborn enough to go to court saying someone if violating his copyright
[00:45] <Quintasan> he would actually lose the case
[00:45] <Quintasan> ?
[00:45] <Quintasan> this is like magic
[00:45] <apachelogger> in what scenario?
[00:45] <Quintasan> in the scenario you outlined
[00:45] <murthy> Quintasan: the judge will pull his hair off
[00:46] <Quintasan> like I reuse your code which is under gpl2+ in my gpl3+ project
[00:46] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yeah which one? what are the licenses and what did the infringing party do? :P
[00:46] <apachelogger> Quintasan: no problem there
[00:46] <Quintasan> so you would lose in courte
[00:46] <Quintasan> court
[00:46] <apachelogger> my code remains gpl2+
[00:47] <murthy> apachelogger: ah i remeber seeing a part of the code marked as a different  license from rest of the file
[00:48] <Quintasan> now I understand why people hate doing copyright part of packaging
[00:48] <Quintasan> it's sometimes a total mess
[00:48] <apachelogger> if it were gpl2 and you include it with gpl3 software and you'd not do what the gpl2 requires you to do, then you would be committing a license violation
[00:49] <apachelogger> murthy: any number of licenses may be mixed in even one code file, the licenses just need to be compatible with one another
[00:49] <Quintasan> ..
[00:49] <Quintasan> apachelogger: What do you do when they are not compatible?
[00:50]  * Quintasan already hears "poke upstream"
[00:50] <apachelogger> license violation for the better part of free software licenses
[00:50] <apachelogger> e.g. gpl is pretty clear about it not being compatible with anything that limits the freedoms outlined in the gpl
[00:51] <apachelogger> also duties for that matter
[00:51] <apachelogger> really gpl is very anal in every aspect :P
[00:51] <Quintasan> hmm
[00:52] <Quintasan> apachelogger: say I have piece of code that has BSD 2-clause, BSD 3-clause and GPLv3
[00:52] <Quintasan> is that going to work?
[00:52] <apachelogger> nope
[00:52] <apachelogger> gpl3 ensures freedom of the code
[00:52] <apachelogger> bsd does not
[00:52]  * Quintasan has to study licenses then
[00:53] <Quintasan> who would have thought I would have to become a lawyer to be a packager
[00:53] <Quintasan> :D
[00:53] <apachelogger> gpl2 requires you to publish the entire work's source
[00:53] <apachelogger> bsd does not
[00:53] <murthy> apachelogger: in case an author has done work in 2011 with emailid1 and in 2012 with emailid2 should i use emailid2 ?
[00:54] <apachelogger> or was it some other license that was incompatible
[00:54] <Quintasan> I'd use the email2
[00:54] <apachelogger> eheh
[00:54] <apachelogger> Quintasan: don't listen to me, I am drunk :P
[00:54] <Quintasan> implying I'm sober
[00:54] <murthy> apachelogger: gpl3 is created when secure boot was launched?
[00:54] <apachelogger> murthy: I'd use email2
[00:54] <apachelogger> what with it beng apparently more up to date
[00:54] <Quintasan> yeah
[00:54] <Quintasan> same logic process as apachelogger
[00:55] <Quintasan> proves I'm going insane
[00:55] <murthy> ok
[00:55] <murthy> Quintasan: too much of copyright intoxification
[00:55] <Quintasan> murthy: If you find yourself thing as apachelogger would do then it's time to take a break
[00:55] <Quintasan> I'm serious
[00:56] <Quintasan> thinking as apachelogger*
[00:57]  * Quintasan can't type
[00:57] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I ignored the first symptoms so it's already too late for me
[00:57] <apachelogger> ohm
[00:57] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you can mix gpl and bsd
[00:57] <Quintasan> ...
[00:57] <Quintasan> seriously?
[00:57] <apachelogger> however you need to publish the entire work
[00:57] <apachelogger> i.e. the entire work is then gpl
[00:57] <apachelogger> you can pick foo.cpp which is bsd and use it as bsd in another project
[00:58] <Quintasan> but you can use it as gpl is another project?
[00:58] <apachelogger> but within source base A even foo.cpp is gpl
[00:58] <Quintasan> oh my god
[00:58] <apachelogger> Quintasan: bsd is permissive so you can really do anything with it, it does not have to be remain a license of same freedom
[00:58] <apachelogger> with gpl it has to though
[00:59] <murthy> apachelogger: i didn't like vlc re-licensing its backend to lgpl
[00:59] <apachelogger> it made perfect sense and was the reasonable thing to do
[00:59] <murthy> apachelogger: will stallman like that?
[00:59] <Quintasan> murthy: well, they are upstream, they can do with their license whatever they want to as long as the contributors agree
[01:00] <apachelogger> who gives a shit?
[01:00] <Quintasan> murthy: rms is a controversial charater in open source community IMO
[01:00] <murthy> apachelogger: what are you talking?
[01:00] <murthy> i like him and his vision
[01:01] <Quintasan> on one hand I agree with him but on the other hand what he says has no relation to the actual world of copyrights and whatnot
[01:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan: generally you simply have to be careful how you think about code ... there is the indivual copyrighted work (which may be a function) and there is the entire code of a binary artifact (e.g. an executable)... the licenses may not necessarily be the same
[01:01] <apachelogger> as in that bsd & gpl example
[01:01] <apachelogger> only the source has multiple licenses, however the gpl requires one to be able to replicate the executable that relies on gpl code, so the code of the binary is defacto gpl
[01:02] <Quintasan> that kind of implies the rest of the code has to be gpl
[01:02] <apachelogger> murthy: I tend to not care what one single person thinks about anything
[01:02] <Quintasan> Exactly
[01:03] <murthy> apachelogger: its GNU LINUX
[01:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan: the code is not gpl
[01:03] <apachelogger> the work is
[01:03] <apachelogger> as I said
[01:03] <Quintasan> BUT the binary is
[01:03] <apachelogger> foo.cpp on its own is still BSD
[01:03] <Quintasan> but binary is licensed on gpl
[01:03] <apachelogger> but since binary foo is gpl because it was built from partial gpl code even foo.cpp needs to be handled in accordance with the gpl
[01:03] <Quintasan> heh
[01:04]  * Quintasan slowly goes insane from license mumbojumbo
[01:04] <apachelogger> so if the gpl says you need to print each line of code on toilet paper that is what you need to do with foo.cpp's code ^^
[01:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan: hehe
[01:04] <apachelogger> now that's of course one source only...
[01:04] <apachelogger> it gets fun when talking about libraries :P
[01:04] <apachelogger> also less clear :P
[01:05] <Quintasan> I can imagine KDE licensing policy is not the strangest one I can ge
[01:05] <Quintasan> get*
[01:05] <apachelogger> or in general runtime loaded binary artifacts
[01:05] <Quintasan> like half of the code is under gpl3+
[01:05] <Quintasan> 1/3 is under GPLv3
[01:05] <Quintasan> GPLv2
[01:06] <Quintasan> and the rest is under GPLv2+
[01:06] <apachelogger> actually there's huge amounts of LGPL code :P
[01:07] <apachelogger> except for cmake foo most stuff is (L)GPL fortunately enough
[01:07] <apachelogger> so yeah, not too strange
[01:33] <Darkwing> It always amazing me how free and open licencing is often more confusing than copyright. Also, that it causes more fights than copyright.
[02:44] <murthy> apachelogger: one of the class file contains this http://paste.kde.org/678890/ . there is no license type specified , what should i put in in debian/copyright?
[02:47] <murthy> apachelogger: if lgpl v2.1 is i should put LGPL-2 or LGPL-2+ ?
[02:48] <murthy> apachelogger: if lgpl v2.1 is *used*as license type i should put LGPL-2 or LGPL-2+ ?
[03:21] <murthy> there are certain files with custom license, what should i put in debian/copyright
[03:23] <murthy> example for the above http://paste.kde.org/678920/
[03:51] <yofel> murthy_: That's BSD-3-Clause
[03:51] <yofel> murthy_: and lgpl v2.1 is LGPL-2.1
[04:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: like any usual FOSS trip, no sleep, loads of fixing Kubuntu
[04:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: Quintasan what fix?
[05:05] <shadeslayer> yofel: oh and ofcourse, shitty wifi
[06:29] <shadeslayer> mmmm
[06:32] <shadeslayer> oh
[06:32] <shadeslayer> bah
[06:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell should have taken care of that
[06:53] <murthy> shadeslayer: good morning
[06:53] <shadeslayer> hi
[06:54] <murthy> shadeslayer: are you fixing bugs for kde?
[06:54] <shadeslayer> right now? nope
[06:55] <murthy> shadeslayer: are you familiar with kwallet code?
[06:55] <shadeslayer> npope
[06:55] <shadeslayer> nope
[06:55] <murthy> shadeslayer: plasma?
[06:56] <shadeslayer> a *bit*
[06:57] <murthy> shadeslayer:  there is a bug i need to fix, i am not getting much support
[06:57] <shadeslayer> #plasma ?
[06:58] <murthy> shadeslayer: they give me imperfect solutions
[06:58] <shadeslayer> oh, can you pastebin the logs?
[06:58] <murthy> shadeslayer: i will tell the steps to reproduce
[06:58] <shadeslayer> okay
[06:59] <murthy> shadeslayer: use the microblogger widget and configure it. when you want to save the settings, just press the apply button and ok button simultaneously and fast
[07:00] <murthy> shadeslayer: simultaneously=in sequence
[07:01] <shadeslayer> okay, will try once I have some time
[07:01] <murthy> shadeslayer: sure
[07:01] <murthy> shadeslayer: just one thing
[07:04] <murthy> shadeslayer: I feel that some process is initiated when the apply button is clicked, but it gets terminated when i press the ok button , this also happens with the background wallpaper change, you are going to test it, apply a wallpaper thats not in the list
[07:04] <murthy> shadeslayer: i will give you the bug id
[07:05] <murthy> shadeslayer: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300708
[07:05] <murthy> shadeslayer: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302267
[07:06] <murthy> shadeslayer: for the last bug, only the crashing of plasma have to be taken care
[07:07] <murthy> yofel: server up?
[07:07] <shadeslayer> awesome
[07:07] <shadeslayer> yes, wallpaper stuff is actually a bug
[07:08] <murthy> shadeslayer: can you reproduce it?
[07:08] <murthy> shadeslayer: use a hd image
[07:29] <murthy> shadeslayer: When i run debuild -S for a libdlna package i can't see errors which are listed by a sponsor who tested, What am i doing wrong ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5557229/
[08:37] <yofel> murthy_: it'll be going down now actually
[10:06] <soee> good morning
[13:03] <Quintasan> Hi
[13:03] <Quintasan> yofel: Seems like everything works
[13:03] <yofel> yeah, just the session auto-restore failed
[13:16] <Quintasan> but the rest works
[13:20] <claydoh> will there be a dvd iso for 12.04.2?
[13:25] <yofel> claydoh: I don't think those were even built for 12.04.2
[13:25] <claydoh> ubuntu has em
[13:25] <yofel> but I guess we could make some for 12.04.3 when we get the new kernel etc. in
[13:26] <yofel> claydoh: I think you need to send in a list of images that you want to update
[13:26] <yofel> ScottK or Riddell will know more
[13:26] <claydoh> yofel: someone in the forum was asking, seemed odd it wasnt there
[13:28] <yofel> Riddell: btw. do you remember what kernel changes we did in the end for 12.04.2? Someone in #kubuntu reported that 12.04.2 doesn't work on non-pae CPU's
[13:29] <yofel> (the install image)
[13:29] <claydoh> I notice xubuntu does not either, edubuntu does, and lubuntu doesn't have 12.04.2 at all yet
[13:30] <yofel> as I said, you need to request updated images. We only did for the desktop and alternate ones
[13:36] <claydoh> thanks for the info, yofel
[14:18] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:24]  * smartboyhw says hi to Riddell
[14:48] <smartboyhw> OK calligra finally worked:)
[14:55] <Quintasan> woah
[14:55] <Quintasan> gj smartboyhw
[14:56] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, that's not joke it finally worked:)
[14:56] <Quintasan> and how did you come to conclusion I was joking
[14:56] <Quintasan> I'm always serio...oh wait
[14:56] <Quintasan> nevermind :P
[14:57] <Quintasan> Nonethless, good job.
[14:57] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:49] <ScottK> claydoh: We don't usually for point releases, but we could if there was a volunteer to test.
[15:51] <smartboyhw> ScottK, test what?
[15:51] <ScottK> An updated dvd for 12.04.3.
[15:52] <smartboyhw> ScottK, well I'll be fine to test these images, but preferably we need more than one person to test
[15:58] <sheytan> apachelogger: ping
[16:09] <sheytan> apachelogger: v.1: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/23/login2-no-bg2.png
[16:09] <sheytan> v.2: v
[16:09] <sheytan> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/23/login2-no-bg.png
[16:39] <claydoh> ScottK: thanks, it was only one user looking for the dvd iso and asking why, so not a verified need for one at this point. I can definitely test this too if it comes up.
[16:47] <claydoh> ScottK: though there are dvd images for Hardy and Lucid
[17:07] <ScottK> Oh, I guess we didn't feel like it.
[17:10] <claydoh> ScottK: lol
[17:39] <Quintasan> yofel: Any experiences with fingerprint reading?
[17:40]  * Quintasan tries
[17:52] <Quintasan> what the hell
[18:15] <yofel> Quintasan: not really, thinkwiki has some pointers I believe
[18:16] <genii-around> I used before FingerprintGUI with kdm and pam but it's been a while
[18:17] <shadeslayer> wheee
[18:17] <shadeslayer> I'm going to try and put ubuntu on my phone :)
[18:42] <Quintasan> well
[18:42] <Quintasan> genii-around, yofel: well fml
[18:43] <Quintasan> fingerprint gui does not autodetect it in the dropdown menu
[18:43] <Quintasan> but I can manually select the device
[18:43] <Quintasan> it goes to next screen
[18:43] <Quintasan> and I can actually scan my fingerprints
[18:43] <Quintasan> but it does not get past scan/verify stage
[18:44] <Quintasan> in other words it asks me to scan my finger 4 times in a loop
[18:44] <Quintasan> brilliant
[18:44] <Quintasan> If fingerprint scanning was working I would say this laptop is too good to be true
[19:36] <genii-around> Quintasan: Do you have some line in your /etc/pam.d/kdm  (or lightdm) like auth optional pam_fingerprint-gui.so -d     ?
[19:40]  * yofel gives kmail another try
[19:45] <yofel> hm, at least the speed seems to have improved some in 4.10
[19:46]  * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/02/23/cool-kde-users
[19:47] <yofel> kde bug 277912 is still no fixed :(
[19:47] <yofel> *not
[19:48] <yofel> Riddell++
[19:48] <shadeslayer> fun, the servers are overloaded :|
[19:51] <yofel> wait, what o.O?
[19:51] <yofel> I set my mail account to go offline on kmail shutdown and it suddenly chooses the right trash folder
[19:51] <yofel> wf
[19:51] <yofel> wtf
[19:52]  * shadeslayer is sad
[19:54]  * yofel passes shadeslayer a fresh mug of coffee
[19:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[19:54] <yofel> maybe useful at.. 2:30 am? ^^
[19:56] <shadeslayer> server overloaded
[19:56] <shadeslayer> so you can't clone stuff
[20:00] <yofel> shadeslayer: github overloaded o.O?
[20:00] <shadeslayer> the ubuntu servers
[20:00] <yofel> ah
[20:01] <yofel> still weird
[20:01] <shadeslayer> yus
[22:44] <tsdgeos> guys can anyone repro this? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=315703
[22:45] <tsdgeos> Riddell: apachelogger: shadeslayer: ↑↑↑
[22:45] <Riddell> tsdgeos: 0.16.0?
[22:45] <tsdgeos> Riddell: that's the okular version number
[22:46] <Riddell> oh right, don't think I've tried 4.10 on 12.04 but I'll load up a virtual machine now
[22:48] <Riddell> works in raring
[22:50] <yofel> works in precise in virtualbox
[22:51] <yofel> tsdgeos: I can't reproduce it here...
[22:51] <tsdgeos> ok, tx


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[13:35] <Kilos> hehe sa motto hurry up and take your time
[13:57]  * Kilos goes to fetch sheep
[14:00] <inetpro> hmm...   I just learned that nutmeg, in large quantities, can actually poison you.
[16:25] <Tonberry> so can just about every other substance in the universe
[16:25] <nuvolari> wine too?
[16:25] <nuvolari> :P
[16:25] <Trixar_za> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutmeg#Psychoactivity_and_toxicity
[16:26] <nuvolari> so pshyco's live off nutmeg?
[16:29] <Trixar_za> No, and the modern term is sociopath
[16:29] <Trixar_za> :P
[16:33] <nuvolari> keer vir my! ek gaan vodacom aan sy groot toon ophang!
[16:33] <nuvolari> nou weer met hulle gemors begin
[16:33] <inetpro> nuvolari: wat's fout?
[16:34] <nuvolari> ek tik nog en dan net ewe skielik is daar niks lewe nie
[16:34] <nuvolari> dan hoes en proes my liggie
[16:34] <inetpro> we have just less than an hour left before our meeting starts
[16:35] <Kilos> nuvolari, gaan tweet vir Vodacom111
[16:35] <Kilos> hy roer hulle bietjie
[16:36] <nuvolari> was besig om die minutes te lees
[16:36] <nuvolari> en wou lol @ plustwo
[16:36] <inetpro> nuvolari: I made some quick crib notes for us at https://etherpad.mozilla.org/UncxD9h1iF
[16:39] <magespawn> Howdy all
[16:39] <nuvolari> howdy magespawn
[16:39] <Kilos> evening magespawn
[16:40] <magespawn> Hi nuvolari, Kilos
[16:56] <charl> good evening
[16:56] <Kilos> hi charl
[16:56] <nuvolari> g'evening
[16:57] <charl> hi Kilos
[16:57] <charl> hi nuvolari
[16:59] <inetpro> charl: you gonna be at the meeting?
[16:59] <nuvolari> OK, I'm going to make coffee quick
[16:59] <nuvolari> bbiab
[17:00] <inetpro> meeting starting in 30 minutes from now
[17:00]  * inetpro also goes to have a quick dinner
[17:01] <charl> inetpro: i am actually busy studying for an exam tomorrow morning so i'm not going to be active in the meeting
[17:01] <charl> i'll check it periodically though during breaks
[17:03] <kbmonkey> hello!
[17:04] <Kilos> yo kbmonkey welcome
[17:04] <Kilos> i gotta go eat quick
[17:04] <kbmonkey> right'o Kilos
[17:05] <kbmonkey> oh lemme check my airtime balance...
[17:13] <kbmonkey> hi nuvolari
[17:16] <Kilos> hi conradvo
[17:17] <Kilos> hi HawkiesZA
[17:17] <HawkiesZA> Gleetings
[17:18] <HawkiesZA> What's the happy-haps?
[17:19] <kbmonkey> hi HawkiesZA, Kilos
[17:19] <HawkiesZA> Hi kbmonkey
[17:20] <kbmonkey> Maaz, kettle on
[17:20] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Excuse me?
[17:20] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[17:20]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[17:20] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[17:20] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[17:22] <Kilos> whew guys are cutting it fine again
[17:22] <Kilos> kbmonkey, hows things?
[17:23] <Kilos> hi mazal
[17:23] <superfly> ohi kbmonkey!
[17:23] <mazal> Evening all
[17:24] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!
[17:24] <Kilos> conradvo, wb
[17:24] <inetpro> meeting starting in about 5 minutes
[17:24] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:24] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:24] <inetpro> nuvolari: you back from dinner?
[17:24] <kbmonkey> Maaz, ty
[17:24] <Maaz> You are welcome kbmonkey
[17:26] <inetpro> hmm...
[17:27]  * inetpro hopes that Vodacom will go easy on the man
[17:27] <Kilos> yeah
[17:27]  * nuvolari pings
[17:27] <nuvolari> I'z alive
[17:27] <kbmonkey> agrees inetpro
[17:27] <Kilos> yo nuvolari
[17:27] <inetpro> ahh, great!
[17:28] <nuvolari> g'evening queery
[17:28] <Kilos> hi queery
[17:28] <queery> hi
[17:28] <inetpro> nuvolari: can you still edit the document?
[17:28] <nuvolari> inetpro: affiramtive
[17:29] <Kilos> methinks steven is sick
[17:29] <inetpro> ahh... I had lost my connection, working again
[17:29] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... looks like it as well
[17:29] <nuvolari> inetpro: you're not in the pad though
[17:29] <nuvolari> I can't see you
[17:30] <inetpro> nuvolari: I'm there
[17:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting
[17:30]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:30] <queery> on my phone now, on my way home in a bit wil then be more chatty
[17:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:30] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz, welcome
[17:30] <Maaz> Welcome to tonights meeting everyone
[17:30] <charl> Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk
[17:30] <Maaz> charl: Done
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[17:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[17:30] <queery> maaz i am dewald
[17:30] <Maaz> queery: Okay
[17:30] <kbmonkey> thanks for chairing tonight nuvolari :-)
[17:31] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[17:31] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Alrighty
[17:31] <HawkiesZA> Maaz: I am Gerrit Vermeulen
[17:31] <Maaz> HawkiesZA: Okay
[17:31] <inetpro> guys, please allow the chairperson to speak before you just jump in
[17:31] <mazal> Maaz I am Wikus van Dyk
[17:31] <Maaz> mazal: Yessir
[17:31] <nuvolari> sure kbmonkey :P almost used to it
[17:31] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[17:31] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay
[17:31] <queery> hay HawkiesZA
[17:31] <Kilos> come on superfly
[17:32] <HawkiesZA> Hey queery
[17:32] <kbmonkey> i have all but lost contact with the online world
[17:32] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:32] <Maaz> superfly: Okay
[17:32] <nuvolari> soo, how is everyone doing? anything noteworthing on new people? I've not been around much, so I don't know all the new people
[17:32] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[17:32] <Maaz> magespawn: Alrighty
[17:32] <superfly> I got my Raspberry Pi today :-D
[17:32] <kbmonkey> hi magespawn :-)
[17:32] <nuvolari> superfly: nice!
[17:32] <kbmonkey> cool superfly !
[17:32] <nuvolari> hallo Langjan
[17:32] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[17:32] <nuvolari> en ander jan
[17:32] <HawkiesZA> superfly, Half the Internet is jealous right now
[17:32] <nuvolari> wie's wie? :P
[17:33] <Kilos> Langjan, login with maaz
[17:33] <jan_> Hi you young guys
[17:33] <inetpro> superfly: did you have to say that out loud?
[17:33]  * superfly now needs to get a monitor that can actually do HDMI
[17:33] <superfly> inetpro: :
[17:33] <magespawn> Hey! kbmonkey! Your alive.
[17:33] <inetpro> :-)
[17:33] <superfly> *:-D
[17:33] <inetpro> good evening everybody
[17:33] <nuvolari> so, officially welcome everyone
[17:33] <nuvolari> or did I do that already? :P
[17:33] <Kilos> jan_,  type in maaz I am Name
[17:34] <inetpro> thanks for running the show again nuvolari
[17:34]  * nuvolari pokes Squirm
[17:34] <nuvolari> you here?
[17:34] <jan_> maaz, I am langjan
[17:34] <Maaz> jan_: Righto
[17:34] <inetpro> nuvolari: the floor is all yoirs
[17:34]  * kbmonkey tips hat to nuvolari
[17:34] <nuvolari> inetpro: my pleasure
[17:34] <nuvolari> oh dear, I didn't announce the welcome topic :P
[17:34] <nuvolari> oh well
[17:35] <inetpro> you can still do it for the sake of the minutes
[17:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic 2. Review previous minutes
[17:35] <Maaz> Current Topic: 2. Review previous minutes
[17:35] <nuvolari> ack
[17:35] <inetpro> oh well...
[17:35] <nuvolari> too late :P
[17:35] <inetpro> np
[17:35] <nuvolari> The last meeting was really energetic
[17:36] <nuvolari> and lots were discussed
[17:36] <Kilos> was
[17:36] <nuvolari> even so that we had to move some of the topics here
[17:36] <nuvolari> *cough* thanks oom Kilos
[17:36] <Kilos> yw
[17:37] <nuvolari> previous minutes for anyone interested: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-06-18-17-30-01.txt
[17:37] <inetpro> yikes, that was one hectic meeting
[17:38] <inetpro> at least for me :-)
[17:38] <nuvolari> I was happy with the turnout and the attendance
[17:39] <inetpro> nuvolari: yep, it was great and I think if we keep going at it we'll get better at running the show
[17:39] <nuvolari> yeah, I think preparation for tonight went a little better, although there's not as much to discuss
[17:39] <Kilos> nuvopro effort
[17:40] <inetpro> at least our meetings are now happening on a regular monthly schedule again
[17:40] <nuvolari> right, so any comments on the previous minutes?
[17:40] <kbmonkey> the agenda looks good guys :-) wow!
[17:41] <inetpro> kbmonkey: heh, we been missing you
[17:41] <inetpro> nuvolari: I have nothing to add
[17:41] <nuvolari> yeah... where are you lurking kbmonkey ?
[17:42] <nuvolari> so, next
[17:42] <kbmonkey> without internet for weeks at a time, lol ;)
[17:42] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic  3. Administrativia & Announcements
[17:42] <Maaz> nuvolari: Excuse me?
[17:42] <Kilos> hehe
[17:43] <Langjan> jan_ still here as langjan
[17:43] <inetpro> hmm...
[17:43] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic: 3. Administrativia and Announcements
[17:43] <Maaz> nuvolari: What?
[17:43] <nuvolari> Maaz: wake up!
[17:43] <Maaz> nuvolari: What?
[17:43] <inetpro> nuvolari: one colon to many?
[17:43] <nuvolari> Maaz topic 3. Administrativia and Announcements
[17:43] <Maaz> Current Topic: 3. Administrativia and Announcements
[17:43] <nuvolari> ah
[17:44] <Kilos> teamwork
[17:44] <inetpro> and this is where sflr should have been present
[17:44] <nuvolari> Oom Kilos, have you made any progress on the twitter front?
[17:44] <inetpro> the guy has put in a lot of effort after the last meeting
[17:45] <Kilos> twitter @ubuntuza works fine here
[17:45] <Kilos> and messages get out ok
[17:45] <nuvolari> Work was a bit hectic so I didn't keep my eye on twitter nearly as much as I normally do
[17:46] <inetpro> oh yes and
[17:46]  * inetpro thinks Kilos deserves a round of applause
[17:46] <nuvolari> +1
[17:46]  * nuvolari applauds oom Kilos for his awesome involvement
[17:46] <Kilos> not_found, wb login
[17:46] <nuvolari> welcome not_found
[17:46]  * not_found is late for meeting... sorry
[17:46] <nuvolari> you are just in time for the meeting
[17:46]  * Kilos bows
[17:46] <not_found> ah :)
[17:47] <nuvolari> not_found: you still need to ID to maaz
[17:47] <kbmonkey> hello not_found :)
[17:47] <not_found> Maaz, I am Neil Oosthuizen
[17:47] <Maaz> not_found: Sure
[17:47]  * not_found can't remember :/
[17:47] <mazal> Did you guys announce the twitter via mail list ? Don't recall
[17:47]  * nuvolari scans his mail
[17:47] <inetpro> mazal: yes
[17:48] <mazal> k
[17:48] <inetpro> but for those who have not seen it, it's at https://twitter.com/ubuntuza
[17:48] <Trixar_za> er, I'm in the middle of a meeting? Oo
[17:48] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[17:48] <nuvolari> does anyone know what happened to the guy complaining about his photo metadata and the Nautilus tab that disappeared?
[17:48] <inetpro> oh and I also started a page on G+
[17:48] <nuvolari> Trixar_za: yeah :P
[17:49] <nuvolari> Trixar_za: you're welcome to join and ID to Maaz  still
[17:49] <Trixar_za> Nah, I'm not even an Ubuntu user :P
[17:49] <inetpro> but we'll mainly use the twitter account for comms
[17:49] <nuvolari> what changed on the website?
[17:49] <Kilos> Trixar_za, no matter
[17:49] <Trixar_za> I just idle here because you and Squirm idle here
[17:49] <inetpro> G+ for reference, etc
[17:49] <nuvolari> Trixar_za: shh, we won't tell if you don't
[17:50] <Trixar_za> lol, Squirm uses Debian and you use Arch, so I'm not that weird
[17:50] <inetpro> https://plus.google.com/b/112877206374340387802/112877206374340387802/posts
[17:51] <inetpro> nuvolari: I think it was mainly nitty gritty minor stuff on the backend
[17:51]  * nuvolari didn't know about the g+ page :O
[17:51] <inetpro> nothing really to show off
[17:52] <nuvolari> and also under this topic, the distributions
[17:52] <inetpro> nuvolari: ?
[17:52] <nuvolari> I've seen that the discs were sent out?
[17:52] <inetpro> nice
[17:52] <nuvolari> inetpro: the ubuntu CD's
[17:53] <nuvolari> where's meester_arend?
[17:53] <nuvolari> he said he'll take some to Upington I think
[17:53] <inetpro> and maia?
[17:53] <Kilos> he said hed try but no promises
[17:53]  * Trixar_za makes some notes. This is actually a pretty efficient way to run a linux based community
[17:53]  * inetpro thinks maia also deserves a big thank you for all her efforts
[17:54] <not_found> +1
[17:54] <nuvolari> +1
[17:54] <magespawn> +1
[17:54] <Kilos> maia is a star
[17:54] <Langjan> +1
[17:54] <Kilos> just very busy
[17:54] <nuvolari> maaz agreed maiatoday needs a big thank you from us all
[17:54] <Maaz> Agreed: maiatoday needs a big thank you from us all
[17:54] <Kilos> +1
[17:54] <Langjan> +1
[17:55] <nuvolari> wb queery
[17:55] <nuvolari> er, queery1985
[17:55] <magespawn> inetpro what is g+ page called?
[17:55] <nuvolari> I don't have anything to announce
[17:55] <nuvolari> magespawn: ubuntu-za
[17:55] <magespawn> Ty
[17:55] <Queery1985> hmm
[17:55] <inetpro> magespawn: google plus
[17:56] <inetpro> :-)
[17:56]  * nuvolari thinks inetpro read that question wrong :P
[17:56] <Kilos> hehe
[17:56] <Kilos> np hes tired
[17:56] <inetpro> thanks Kilos
[17:57] <nuvolari> ready for the next topic?
[17:57] <inetpro> anything else nuvolari?
[17:57] <Kilos> we need to thank inetpro for all his effort as well
[17:57] <nuvolari> yes, definitely!
[17:57] <inetpro> Kilos: heh!
[17:57] <Kilos> and all the help he gives me
[17:57] <queery1985> maaz i am queery
[17:57] <Maaz> queery1985: Sure
[17:58] <nuvolari> Thanks everyone that helps with the other admin stuff. inetpro for the agenda and keeping all the links together
[17:58] <Kilos> queery1985, logins are supposed to be full name not nicks
[17:58] <inetpro> nuvolari, Kilosyou're welcome
[17:58] <nuvolari> Maaz minutes so far
[17:58] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-07-16-17-30-21.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-07-16-17-30-21.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-07-16-17-30-21.html
[17:58] <queery1985> i identified with my previous nick
[17:58] <Kilos> you forgiven sorry
[17:59] <Kilos> im slow
[17:59] <queery1985> now i identified to that nick so there is a ref
[17:59] <queery1985> bloddy nickserv...
[17:59] <nuvolari> ok, moving on
[18:00] <nuvolari> maaz topic topic 4. Team Reporting
[18:00] <Maaz> Current Topic: topic 4. Team Reporting
[18:00] <nuvolari> I don't know who else feels like I do, but this is a daunting task
[18:00] <nuvolari> maybe not that much work, but just getting to it is the hard part
[18:00] <Kilos> you doing well nuvolari
[18:01] <Kilos> less heli
[18:01] <nuvolari> nee oom!
[18:01] <not_found> lol
[18:01] <Kilos> hehe
[18:01] <nuvolari> I'm a heli addict
[18:01] <not_found> awesome hobby
[18:01] <nuvolari> good addiction
[18:01] <Kilos> tough ubuntu-za comes first
[18:01] <nuvolari> wb magespawn
[18:01] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[18:01] <magespawn> Ty
[18:02] <not_found> Like someone once wrote: "It's only an operating system." :p
[18:02] <nuvolari> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting
[18:02] <queery1985> team up and build a ubuntu heli control station and publish it on the report
[18:02] <inetpro> once again I'm willing to help anybody go through the motions of doing the reporting
[18:02] <nuvolari> those are the guidelines for team reporting
[18:02]  * not_found saves link, thanks
[18:03] <nuvolari> queery1985: good idea! maybe we can paint an ubuntu canopy
[18:03] <inetpro> we just need a volunteer willing to learn, though the guidelines are also very easy to follow
[18:03] <queery1985> cool
[18:04] <inetpro> any volunteers?
[18:04] <Kilos> queery1985,
[18:04]  * not_found is willing to learn as he needs to do this doe #ubuntu-ae too
[18:04] <not_found> *for
[18:04] <nuvolari> maybe we should put that out onto the mailing list as well
[18:04] <nuvolari> not_found: cool, can I add an agree statement?
[18:04] <Kilos> not_found, that would be nice
[18:04]  * queery1985 looks at the heap of work waiting already
[18:04] <nuvolari> under your name?
[18:05] <inetpro> not_found: great, so please stick around after the meeting or tomorrow
[18:05] <not_found> nuvolari, sounds painful, but sure ;)
[18:05] <not_found> np
[18:05] <magespawn> A central email to sedn activities would be good.
[18:05] <nuvolari> yeah, I know...
[18:05] <queery1985> how about a google doc so a few of us can do it
[18:05] <nuvolari> it's like the love child nobody want's to talk about
[18:05] <nuvolari> +1
[18:05] <magespawn> Good idea
[18:06] <inetpro> ok let's discuss the details later
[18:06] <queery1985> so central email addy and then 2 or 3 of us work on it in a google doc
[18:06] <queery1985> ok
[18:06] <nuvolari> Maaz agreed Neil to run with the start of team reporting
[18:06] <Maaz> Agreed: Neil to run with the start of team reporting
[18:07] <nuvolari> maaz agreed use a shared googledocs doc for the reporting
[18:07] <Maaz> Agreed: use a shared googledocs doc for the reporting
[18:07] <not_found> The cloud is patient...
[18:07] <superfly> you could also use one of the EtherPad sites
[18:08] <inetpro> nuvolari: we have 23 minutes to go
[18:08] <kbmonkey> is etherpad lighter-weight than google docs?
[18:08] <superfly> yes
[18:08] <inetpro> kbmonkey: much lighter, text only
[18:08] <queery1985>  can you add pics?
[18:08]  * kbmonkey imagines multi shared todo.txt
[18:08] <inetpro> kbmonkey: see https://etherpad.mozilla.org/
[18:09] <not_found> boring... rich text or nothing
[18:09] <nuvolari> ok, moving on...
[18:09] <queery1985> we have to add pics....
[18:09] <inetpro> that is just one example of a etherpad instance
[18:09] <nuvolari> maaz topic topic 5. Events
[18:09] <Maaz> Current Topic: topic 5. Events
[18:09] <queery1985> i need to organise one again
[18:09] <queery1985> havnt had time
[18:09] <superfly> queery1985: no, you can't add pics, I'm afraid
[18:10] <nuvolari> Was there any events that I missed?
[18:10] <nuvolari> or that anyone knows about?
[18:10] <nuvolari> it was a quiet month
[18:10] <Kilos> were
[18:10] <queery1985> hawkiesza? you know of any
[18:11] <nuvolari> ag jinne oom Kilos... :P maar dankie
[18:11] <Kilos> anytime
[18:11] <inetpro> was a quiet month with regards to events yes, otherwise busy in this channel
[18:11] <inetpro> thanks to Kilos, sflr and others
[18:11] <nuvolari> heh, even pulling me back in
[18:11] <not_found> +1
[18:12] <kbmonkey> dont know of any events, sorry
[18:12] <nuvolari> one can't argue when family is visiting
[18:12] <inetpro> I think queery1985 should arrange another UH in randburg
[18:12] <HawkiesZA> queery1985, Sorry, no. Been asking when the next ones are so that we can punt them in LTG
[18:12] <inetpro> always good to see these things happening
[18:13] <Kilos> nuvolari, tell them next time come after breakfast bring their own lunch and leave before supper
[18:13] <nuvolari> lol!
[18:13] <nuvolari> nee sies oom
[18:13] <Kilos> haha
[18:13] <Kilos> skuus
[18:13] <not_found> :D
[18:13]  * nuvolari skink vir oom Kilos 'n glasie wyn
[18:13] <inetpro> lol
[18:13] <queery1985> im trying to keep it close to a gautrain
[18:14] <queery1985> so rosebank for me works best
[18:14] <inetpro> I also think it's time to get more people involved in Ubuntu development
[18:14] <inetpro> get people excited about the upcoming release
[18:14] <nuvolari> :-/ juslaaik inetpro
[18:14] <inetpro> in October
[18:15] <nuvolari> just as I'm about to ask something, inetpro is already doing it :P
[18:15] <Kilos> hehe
[18:15] <inetpro> sorry mr chair
[18:15] <nuvolari> lol
[18:15]  * not_found is looking at http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-00sc-introduction-to-computer-science-and-programming-spring-2011/unit-1/lecture-1-introduction-to-6.00/ to get into the weird programming world
[18:15] <nuvolari> ow, my eyes
[18:16] <not_found> >.>
[18:16] <inetpro> nuvolari: 15 minutes to go
[18:16] <nuvolari> ok, maybe we need to move on
[18:16] <nuvolari> maaz topic topic 6. Revival of LPI classes at #linux-studies
[18:16] <Maaz> Current Topic: topic 6. Revival of LPI classes at #linux-studies
[18:17] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, you are probably most up to date with this
[18:17] <Kilos> i think we can actually sheve this for a while longer everyone is too busy
[18:17] <nuvolari> is there any good feedback on the LPI studies before it went a bit quiet?
[18:17] <nuvolari> I know I wanted to get into that, but that's how far I came :P *cough*
[18:18] <inetpro> the kbmonkey has been missing in action?
[18:18] <not_found> It never really got going from what I saw...
[18:18]  * not_found is lazy
[18:18] <kbmonkey> that's pretty much the story oom Kilos :p
[18:18] <Kilos> yip kbmonkey you need to get organised better
[18:18] <magespawn> I have been working off line
[18:19] <nuvolari> maybe we should ty to have sessions, even if it's once a month?
[18:19] <Kilos> not good missing in action for weeks at i time
[18:19] <kbmonkey> i'm trying to save for a laptop, to run centos. currently no other machine to run study material on
[18:19] <nuvolari> it's not much, but better than just talking about it :P
[18:20] <Kilos> we understand kbmonkey
[18:20] <not_found> kbmonkey, life happens...
[18:20] <Kilos> thats why i say shelve it for a while longer
[18:20] <Kilos> but dont dismiss the idea totally
[18:20] <kbmonkey> never :)
[18:20] <nuvolari> ok, any other ideas, from anyone?
[18:20] <queery1985> where is maiatoday today?
[18:21] <Kilos> working on thesis i think
[18:21] <queery1985> oh shame sympathies
[18:21]  * not_found thinks the studies need more buzz on this channel... just to keep it alive and get it going again
[18:22] <nuvolari> eek, we need no close up
[18:22] <inetpro> not_found: I'm sure Kilos can sort that out
[18:22] <not_found> +1
[18:22] <queery1985> i want to try a school event but am still working on the plan
[18:22] <magespawn> Maybe tweet it
[18:22] <Kilos> hehe not_found studies battle to compete with helis and other games
[18:22] <magespawn> ?
[18:22] <inetpro> nuvolari: I agree we need to move on
[18:22] <queery1985> yes
[18:23] <nuvolari> Maaz topic topic 7. Topics for next meeting (non-agenda items)
[18:23] <Maaz> Current Topic: topic 7. Topics for next meeting (non-agenda items)
[18:23] <Trixar_za> Well, I find the best way to engage people in something is to make it game. Programming for example is more fun when you program games rather than say accounting software
[18:23] <nuvolari> maaz agreed interesting events to be planned
[18:23] <Maaz> Agreed: interesting events to be planned
[18:24] <nuvolari> maaz topic topic 8. Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:24] <Maaz> Current Topic: topic 8. Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:24] <Kilos> Trixar_za, have you seen the LPI manual
[18:24] <not_found> should review what global events Canonical have planned for the bigger Ubuntu eco-sphere and plan to do them etc
[18:24] <Trixar_za> Kilos: Not to my knowledge, no.
[18:24] <magespawn> +1
[18:24] <Kilos> me votes chair to remain as is
[18:24]  * not_found likes the current chair too :)
[18:24] <nuvolari> I have no problem chairing again next meeting
[18:24] <queery1985> +1
[18:24] <superfly> when's the next meeting?
[18:24] <magespawn> +1 to that too
[18:24] <Kilos> Maaz, LPI manual
[18:24] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[18:25] <kbmonkey> we <3 you nuvolari :)
[18:25]  * inetpro agree, let's give him another round
[18:25] <Kilos> Trixar_za, ^^
[18:25] <queery1985> haha
[18:25] <nuvolari> it will be August 20, 2012
[18:25] <Kilos> 20 aug
[18:25] <superfly> yeah, rather you than me nuvolari
[18:25] <queery1985> ok ill org a ubuntu hour before that
[18:25]  * superfly doesn't mind, but will be rather busy for the next few weeks
[18:25] <nuvolari> :P I'm trying, but it's becoming fun too
[18:25] <queery1985> and hawkiesza will help ;P
[18:25] <inetpro> nuvolari: 5 minutes
[18:25] <not_found> fun is good motivation
[18:26] <nuvolari> maaz agreed chair for next meeting: nuvolari
[18:26] <Maaz> Agreed: chair for next meeting: nuvolari
[18:26] <Trixar_za> Thanks Kilos
[18:26]  * HawkiesZA will gladly add some advertising
[18:26] <Kilos> yw
[18:26] <Trixar_za> I just wish those exams weren't so expensive to write :/
[18:26] <nuvolari> maaz topic topic 9. Closing
[18:26] <Maaz> Current Topic: topic 9. Closing
[18:26] <queery1985> and get HoH involved? hawkiesza?
[18:27] <nuvolari> I think this was a good meeting
[18:27] <nuvolari> not?
[18:27] <HawkiesZA> I can try. We're moving in there at the end of the month, actually.
[18:27]  * kbmonkey nods
[18:27] <queery1985> +1
[18:27] <nuvolari> Slowly but surely we're getting there
[18:27] <inetpro> nuvolari: you did very well, let's give the man a Bells
[18:27] <magespawn> +1
[18:27]  * Kilos thanks nuvolari for a great meeting and inetpro for all the input and help
[18:27] <not_found> Awesome work letting everyone know about the meeting (especially uncle Kilos)
[18:27] <not_found> +1 good job nuvolari
[18:27] <nuvolari> Thanks again everyone for your input and attendance
[18:28] <inetpro> if I may, I'll add one thing
[18:28]  * queery1985 gives nuvolari a bell
[18:28]  * nuvolari rings some bells
[18:28] <nuvolari> *ring
[18:28] <inetpro> please stick around in the channel
[18:28] <inetpro> don't be afraid to ask stupid questions
[18:28] <nuvolari> yeah, please people
[18:28] <nuvolari> usually peeps run off
[18:28] <inetpro> we have a few guys always around here
[18:28] <not_found> \me always asks stupid questions... the only type he knows
[18:28] <nuvolari> but we can't be acound all the time
[18:28] <queery1985> my questions are hard...
[18:28]  * kbmonkey will stick around for a while
[18:29] <Kilos> thanks all of you for attending
[18:29] <nuvolari> we still try to make it every now and then, and catch up with everyone
[18:29] <nuvolari> that's why we are here
[18:29] <inetpro> thanks nuvolari
[18:29] <nuvolari> A community won't be possible without the input from everyone
[18:29] <not_found> +1
[18:29] <Kilos> +1
[18:29] <kbmonkey> +2
[18:29] <nuvolari> we are the community
[18:30] <nuvolari> we are sparta!!! :P *cough*
[18:30] <not_found> ^_^
[18:30] <Kilos> i would like us to try get more list guys here as well
[18:30] <Kilos> maybe person mails might help
[18:30] <magespawn> Is that the end of the meeting?
[18:30] <nuvolari> Maaz end meeting
[18:30] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:30] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-07-16-17-30-21.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-07-16-17-30-21.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-07-16-17-30-21.html
[18:30] <Kilos> personal
[18:30] <magespawn> Lol
[18:30] <nuvolari> magespawn: yup
[18:30] <nuvolari> :P
[18:30] <not_found> :) - thanks all
[18:30] <not_found> good meet
[18:31] <nuvolari> +1 awesome meeting
[18:31] <inetpro> +1
[18:31] <nuvolari> and we stuck to the schedule
[18:31] <mazal> Thanx all
[18:31] <Kilos> well done
[18:31] <magespawn> queery1985: if do a school event I woukd like to see the plan etc.
[18:31] <inetpro> well done nuvolari
[18:31] <not_found> it helps a lot to get and keep people
[18:31] <mazal> Sleep well
[18:31] <mazal> God bless
[18:31] <Kilos> all in an hour
[18:31] <Kilos> you too mazal ty
[18:31] <magespawn> +1
[18:32]  * nuvolari takes a bow
[18:32] <nuvolari> thank you, thank you
[18:32] <Kilos> hehe
[18:32] <nuvolari> night mazal
[18:32] <queery1985> will do magespawn
[18:32] <magespawn> Ty
[18:32] <mazal> Bye :-)
[18:32] <queery1985> brb
[18:32] <inetpro> nuvolari: oh and thanks to Vodacom for a stable connection
[18:33] <nuvolari> oh yes! a big applause
[18:33] <not_found> woooo hoooo
[18:33] <nuvolari> last time was a headache :-/
[18:33] <not_found> \m/
[18:33] <quneery1985> why is my nick still a problem
[18:33] <Kilos> lol
[18:33] <magespawn> HawkiesZA: did that last guest of ltg really give away the n800?
[18:34] <quneery1985> what?
[18:34] <quneery1985> I have a n900, was chating on ot tonight
[18:34] <magespawn> Me too but not on it now.
[18:34] <HawkiesZA> magespawn,  Toby? I'm sure he would if someone asked.
[18:35] <inetpro> nuvolari: BTW, the next agenda is just about ready for you as well
[18:36] <inetpro> see: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/446/detail/
[18:36] <Kilos> inetpro, ++ for effort
[18:36] <magespawn> Yup thats him, was wondering if he was serious.
[18:36] <inetpro> Kilos: np
[18:36] <quneery1985> HawkiesZA, how bout 11 Aug for Ubuntu hour
[18:36] <Kilos> inetpro, you dont realise how you hold us together
[18:36] <HawkiesZA> Well, if you know someone, ask him. He's a cool guy
[18:37] <magespawn> inetpro=glue
[18:37]  * HawkiesZA checks calendar
[18:37] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... it's you man
[18:37] <HawkiesZA> quneery1985, That's a Saturday?
[18:37] <Kilos> when the going gets tough inetpro jumps in
[18:37] <nuvolari> ah thanks inetpro!
[18:37] <quneery1985> you want it on a sunday?
[18:38] <HawkiesZA> I'm just checking :P
[18:38] <HawkiesZA> I'm open on the 11th
[18:38] <quneery1985> think it will werk better on a sunday?
[18:38] <not_found> +1 for inetpro and uncle Kilos being vital cogs in the ZA machine :)
[18:38] <quneery1985> stellies usually did sunday
[18:38] <magespawn> HawkiesZA: do not know him, besides should go to someone who would use it fully.
[18:38] <HawkiesZA> Really?
[18:38] <quneery1985> yea
[18:38] <HawkiesZA> Well, stellies is weird then
[18:38] <quneery1985> but it's student villw
[18:38] <quneery1985> heh
[18:38] <inetpro> not_found: there's more than just me and Kilos, many others around here that make it worthwile for us to keep going at it
[18:39] <quneery1985> ok so saterday then
[18:39] <Kilos> yip
[18:39] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/446/detail/
[18:39] <Maaz> nuvolari: I already know stuff about meeting.agenda
[18:39] <HawkiesZA> Saturday is good. Rosebank again?
[18:39] <Kilos> some just rather busy at the moment
[18:39] <not_found> inetpro, I am aware, but just pointing out you guys are awesome (too ;) )
[18:39] <nuvolari> Maaz: forget about meeting.agenda
[18:39] <Maaz> nuvolari: I didn't know about about meeting.agenda anyway
[18:39] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/446/detail/
[18:39] <Maaz> nuvolari: I already know stuff about meeting.agenda
[18:40]  * not_found sees an extra about
[18:40] <quneery1985> Maaz, forget meeting.agenda
[18:40] <Maaz> quneery1985: Yessir
[18:40] <not_found> :)
[18:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/446/detail/
[18:40] <Maaz> nuvolari: If you say so
[18:40] <inetpro> HawkiesZA, quneery1985: let us know when you're commited for a date
[18:40] <nuvolari> thanks quneery1985
[18:40] <quneery1985> maaz, meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/446/detail/
[18:40] <Maaz> quneery1985: I already know stuff about meeting.agenda
[18:40] <inetpro> then Kilos can announce it for us again
[18:40] <quneery1985> hmmmm
[18:40] <Kilos> hehe
[18:40] <quneery1985> oh
[18:40] <quneery1985> oops
[18:40] <nuvolari> :P
[18:40] <quneery1985> your copy and past is to fast for me
[18:41] <quneery1985> the ctrl+V is stong in this one
[18:41] <nuvolari> or just up + enter
[18:41] <nuvolari> :P
[18:41] <magespawn> +
[18:41] <inetpro> quneery1985: I'll add the new agenda to the topic above tomorrow
[18:41] <quneery1985> ok
[18:42] <quneery1985> what is up with my nick
[18:42] <inetpro> then we'll also announce on twitter an G+
[18:42] <inetpro> queery1985: did you register your nick?
[18:42] <queery1985> not this one
[18:42] <nuvolari> oom kilos, oom moet watch vir skype, blykbaar stuur hulle 'n mens se skype messages na random contacts toe
[18:42] <queery1985> the other one still has not timed out
[18:42] <Kilos> ek gebruik nie skype nie nuvolari
[18:42] <inetpro> queery1985: perhaps somebody else logged in with it?
[18:43] <queery1985> * queery :Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable
[18:43] <nuvolari> oh
[18:43] <Kilos> maar  dankie
[18:43] <magespawn> Can you not boot it?
[18:43] <Trixar_za> nuvolari: Sometimes you shouldn't believe everything you read :P
[18:43] <nuvolari> okei, dan is oom veilig
[18:43] <inetpro> queery1985: which one you looking for>
[18:43] <inetpro> ?
[18:43] <queery1985> no it was vodacom's bad signal
[18:43] <queery1985> im looking for queery
[18:43] <queery1985> but I did not identify quick enough nou im stuck like this for a while
[18:43] <inetpro> queery1985: hmm... that is rather interesting
[18:44] <queery1985> yea
[18:44] <queery1985> it has happened a few times
[18:44] <inetpro> queery1985: perhaps you should visit #freenode and ask for a staffer to explain to you
[18:44] <not_found> can't it be ghosted|
[18:44] <not_found> ?
[18:44] <queery1985> no the nick is not on the channel
[18:44] <queery1985> it's a safty feature
[18:45] <not_found> ah ok (I dont' understand but that is normal)
[18:45] <inetpro> queery1985: what irc client are you using?
[18:45] <queery1985> you can't retry the nick for a while
[18:45] <queery1985> xchat
[18:45] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:45] <Kilos> queery1985, try /nick queery
[18:45] <queery1985> * queery :Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable
[18:46] <Kilos> then /msg nickserv identify password
[18:46] <nuvolari> oh my word
[18:46] <not_found> are you guys going to explain to me tomorrow a bit more about what I got myself into? (Gives me some time to read the link etc)?
[18:46] <queery1985> can't cause im not that nick
[18:46] <inetpro> queery1985: http://www.nic.funet.fi/~irc/server/delays.html
[18:46]  * nuvolari rather keeps himself from continue to rant about eclipse and svn
[18:46] <queery> i took it easy man
[18:47] <Guest79321> oh my
[18:47] <queery1985> yea it was the colision
[18:47] <queery1985> haha
[18:47] <inetpro> kilos: eh
[18:47] <kilos> boetties!
[18:47] <queery1985> haha
[18:47] <kilos> julle moet gaan slaap
[18:47] <queery1985> oh maybe I can get it now
[18:48] <Guest79321> uh oh
[18:48]  * not_found lurks
[18:48] <inetpro> not_found: you wanna do the reporting now?
[18:49] <inetpro> or shall we attempt tomorrow?
[18:49] <not_found> inetpro,  are you guys going to explain to me tomorrow a bit more about what I got myself into? (Gives me some time to read the link etc)?
[18:49] <nuvolari> howcome can't you become Kilos again oom Kilos- ?
[18:49] <inetpro> not_found: np
[18:49] <Kilos-> ??
[18:49] <Kilos-> says its in use
[18:49] <queery1985> haha
[18:49] <queery1985> you just also broke yours
[18:49] <not_found> k... I will be on-line tomorrow for several hours throughout the day...
[18:49] <queery1985> it will be ficed tomorrow
[18:49]  * not_found lurks again
[18:50] <Kilos> neil what you doing
[18:50] <nuvolari> ack
[18:50] <nuvolari> I need moar coffee
[18:50] <inetpro> not_found: great, I'll see whether I can make some time if necessary
[18:50] <queery1985> HawkiesZA, you still here?
[18:50] <Kilos> queery1985, try /nick queery now
[18:50] <queery1985> i did same thing
[18:50] <Kilos> wow
[18:50] <queery1985> I think it lockes it for the IP
[18:50] <HawkiesZA> queery1985, Yessir
[18:50] <queery1985> oom Kilos you try it now
[18:51] <Kilos> to queery?
[18:51] <not_found> inetpro, if tomorrow is no good we can go now... was just thinking that 11pm isn't the best time for me to try and think (but I will)
[18:51] <queery1985> HawkiesZA, is roebank ok or should I make it more up
[18:51] <queery1985> yes oom Kilos
[18:51] <inetpro> not_found: actually I'm also a bit moeg now
[18:51] <queery1985> what am i gonna eat
[18:51] <queery1985> bully beef...
[18:52] <Kilos> Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable
[18:52] <nuvolari> bully beef and beans
[18:52] <queery1985> see
[18:52] <HawkiesZA> queery1985, Rosebank is Ok for Pretoria peeps IMO. We can take the Gautrain. How is it for the Jhb crowd?
[18:52] <nuvolari> you'll have enough energy :P
[18:52] <queery1985> no idea?
[18:52] <not_found> then we do it at the first convenient time inetpro
[18:52] <Kilos> must be some bu there
[18:52] <queery1985> don't know the jhb crowd yet
[18:52] <inetpro> not_found: np
[18:52] <not_found> k, cool
[18:53] <HawkiesZA> HEY JHB-PEOPLE, DO YOU PREFER ROSEBANK OR SANDTON?
[18:53] <HawkiesZA> Maybe that'll get some attention :P
[18:53] <Kilos> queery1985, is queery registered
[18:53]  * Trixar_za slaps HawkiesZA
[18:53] <HawkiesZA> lmga
[18:53] <Trixar_za> No need to shout
[18:53] <queery1985> it is that is why it kicked you
[18:53] <queery1985> oom Kilos
[18:54] <queery1985> HawkiesZA, we can only hope
[18:54] <HawkiesZA> Trixar_za, sometimes, that's the only way
[18:54] <queery1985> since somone turned Maaz announce off.........
[18:54] <Kilos> it didnt i tried to go back to kilos and it went to nuvolari
[18:54] <HawkiesZA> queery1985, Well, we can go wtih Rosebank. If people have a problem and would prefer it somewhere else, they should say so. We're open to suggestions.
[18:54] <Trixar_za> Well, with that logic, the person that shouts the loudest in an argument is the one that's winning
[18:54] <Kilos> isnt maaz working on announce
[18:55] <queery1985> HawkiesZA, true dat
[18:55] <HawkiesZA> Trixar_za, Depends. If the argument is about who can shout the loudest, then sure.
[18:55] <queery1985> someone turned it off oom Kilos
[18:55] <Kilos> Maaz, announce irc nickserv giving probs
[18:55] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! irc nickserv giving probs
[18:55] <Trixar_za> Why do you all call Kilos, oom?
[18:55] <queery1985> see
[18:55] <queery1985> cause he is
[18:56] <Kilos> nee man nuvolari
[18:56] <Kilos> dit werk
[18:56] <Kilos> hehe
[18:56] <Kilos> im a ballie Trixar_za
[18:56] <Trixar_za> Well, I have friends that are in their 40's, so that line is kind of blurred to me
[18:56] <queery1985> nee hy is suppose om die attention te gee aan al die nicks, wat nou afgesit is
[18:56] <Trixar_za> I rarely call people oom these days
[18:56] <queery1985> hehe it's more a habbit
[18:56] <queery1985> hehe
[18:57] <Trixar_za> ... and teens are starting to call ME oom
[18:57] <Kilos> haha i was 40 21 years ago
[18:57] <Trixar_za> Then again, that started as early as my matric year
[18:57] <queery1985> and the channel goes quiet
[18:57] <Trixar_za> and I look young :/
[18:57] <queery1985> sure honey
[18:58] <Trixar_za> No really, ask nuvolari
[18:58] <queery1985> HawkiesZA, M&B again?
[18:58] <queery1985> free interwebs
[18:59] <Kilos> nuvolari, announce werk
[18:59] <queery1985> and smoking section
[18:59] <HawkiesZA> queery1985, Sure. They have great big giant muffins.
[18:59] <Kilos> jy moenie : en ander dotjies in sit nie
[18:59] <queery1985> hehe
[19:00] <queery1985> nee dis nie dit nie oom Kilos
[19:00] <HawkiesZA> Hrm...Not sure about the smoking section. I certainly wouldn't like it ;)
[19:00] <Kilos> what am i missing?
[19:00] <queery1985> daai is nie 'n announce nie
[19:00] <Kilos> oh is there another announce
[19:01] <queery1985> haha not in it it just has one for those of us who do smoke and want to have a quick one, HawkiesZA
[19:01] <HawkiesZA> queery1985, ah, ok, good.
[19:01] <queery1985> yes, it will seem like maaz is mentioning you
[19:01] <Trixar_za> http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm <--- best page ever. Provides answers to common issues newbies have with Linux.
[19:02] <Kilos> inetpro, what am i missing with announce on ibid
[19:03] <Trixar_za> Just thought I would share. :P
[19:03] <queery1985> dankie Trixar_za
[19:03] <inetpro> Kilos: why? What is wrong?
[19:04] <queery1985> inetpro, it doesnt
[19:04] <inetpro> ahh... I think what they want is that you should announce stuffs on twitter
[19:04] <inetpro> Kilos: on twitter
[19:04] <Kilos> no maaz\
[19:04] <Kilos> they say not my way
[19:05] <Kilos> Maaz, announce is there another way to announce
[19:05] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! is there another way to announce
[19:05] <Kilos> i thought that is the announce function
[19:05] <queery1985> see no attention thing
[19:05] <inetpro> queery1985: what are you looking for?
[19:06] <queery1985> it would light up and possibu make a sound like it would if I say your name oom Kilos
[19:06] <Kilos> oh ya the hear ye hear ye
[19:06] <queery1985> yes
[19:06] <queery1985> like thi
[19:06] <queery1985> this..
[19:06] <queery1985> Maaz, coffee on
[19:06]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[19:06] <queery1985> Maaz, coffee for all
[19:06] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[19:07] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[19:07] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[19:07] <queery1985> he used to make that so that evenyone got attention
[19:07] <queery1985> the admin switched it of
[19:07] <inetpro> queery1985: not really
[19:07] <magespawn> Maaz coffe for magespawn
[19:07] <Maaz> magespawn: Excuse me?
[19:07] <magespawn> Maaz coffee for magespawn
[19:07] <Maaz> magespawn: Excuse me?
[19:07] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[19:07] <Maaz> inetpro: Alrighty
[19:08] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[19:08] <Maaz> magespawn: Righto
[19:08] <magespawn> Bit of a slow learner sometimes.
[19:08] <queery1985> haha
[19:08] <queery1985> Maaz, botsnack
[19:08] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[19:09] <queery1985> Maaz, master
[19:09] <Maaz> queery1985: Huh?
[19:09] <queery1985> hmm
[19:09] <queery1985> Maaz, admin
[19:09] <Maaz> queery1985: Sorry...
[19:09] <queery1985> tumbleweed, are you Maaz 's master?
[19:10] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery1985, Kilos, inetpro and magespawn!
[19:10] <queery1985> Maaz, ty
[19:10] <Maaz> You are welcome queery1985
[19:10] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[19:10] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[19:11] <queery1985> Maaz, queery
[19:11] <Maaz> queery1985: Excuse me?
[19:11] <queery1985> i havt programed that yet
[19:11] <nuvolari> ok, bedtime for me
[19:11] <queery1985> nite
[19:11] <nuvolari> night om Kilos, queery1985, inetpro
[19:11] <nuvolari> and other souls lurking around
[19:11] <inetpro> hmm....
[19:11] <Trixar_za> Night nuvolari
[19:11] <Kilos> night nuvolari sleep tight
[19:11] <inetpro> night nuvolari
[19:11] <magespawn> Night nuvolari
[19:12] <inetpro> Kilos: have we even heard of tumbleweed since he took that flight?
[19:12] <magespawn> Maaz botsnack
[19:12] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[19:12] <Trixar_za> Also I'm going too. I've gotten in a habit of sleeping at 8/9ish while sick and now I'm having trouble breaking it
[19:12] <magespawn> Not a bad habit
[19:12] <Kilos> nope he was only getting here late tonight
[19:12] <magespawn> Night Trixar_za
[19:12] <Trixar_za> Well, I'm having a pavlovian response to the time
[19:12] <Trixar_za> I start getting tired the moment it hits 8pm
[19:13] <inetpro> Trixar_za: good night, thanks for coming to the meeting
[19:13] <Kilos> night Trixar_za
[19:13] <Kilos> you welcome here anytime
[19:13] <Kilos> even without ubuntu running
[19:13] <Trixar_za> Goodnite magespawn, inetpro, Kilos, nuvolari and queery1985
[19:14] <Trixar_za> Well, technically I'm a SliTaz dev - I have access to the mercurial repositories
[19:14] <Trixar_za> Not that I ever use it...
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: did you se him step in?


[00:24] <cy1> I certainly hope so. This Apple style technology locking has got to stop.
[04:30] <tgm4883> cy1, technically, I think you mean secure boot, not UEFI
[04:40] <cy1> tgm4883: yes.
[04:41] <cy1> they've been calling it UEFI though, and avoiding the whole SecureBoot terminology.
[04:41] <cy1> they're pretty much synonymous at the moment


[00:27] <wgrant> lifeless: Are the appserver -> restricted librarian firewall rules completely sorted?
[00:27] <wgrant> We are having 502s which could be caused by them.
[02:03] <lifeless> wgrant: I don't know
[02:03] <lifeless> abel said he was still seeing a failure if he pushed past 5 concurrent uploads, so I assume that we haven't figured it all out.
[02:03] <lifeless> wgrant: gather oopes!
[02:04] <wgrant> lifeless: There are no OOPSes.
[02:04] <lifeless> https://edge.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-karmic/+temp-meeting-export <- why is this being hit :<
[02:04] <wgrant> They're proxy timeouts.
[02:04] <lifeless> restricted librarian isn't proxied
[02:04] <wgrant> Yay, c.l.security is finally being split.
[02:04] <wgrant> lifeless: Appserver connection timeouts, these are.
[02:05] <wgrant> "Sorry, we couldn't connect to the Launchpad server."
[02:05] <wgrant> On an action that would be accessing the restricted librarian.
[02:05] <wgrant> And it's intermittent.
[02:05] <lifeless> AIUI that error, that can't be related.
[02:05] <lifeless> however, I may not understand the error
[02:05] <lifeless> What server group ?
[02:05] <wgrant> Hm.
[02:05] <lifeless> edge/lpnet ?
[02:06] <lifeless> file a bug, lets gather data.
[02:06] <lifeless> it may well be related, but no assumptions
[02:06] <lifeless> wtf
[02:06] <lifeless> BugTask LEFT JOIN Bug
[02:06] <lifeless> makes no sense
[02:06] <wgrant> Looks like prod.
[02:07] <wgrant> lifeless: If there are no timeouts on librarian connections, and the connections are being dropped instead of rejected, why couldn't it be related?
[02:08] <lifeless> well
[02:08] <lifeless> what does the error actually mean?
[02:08] <lifeless> does it mean 'got no SYN-ACK
[02:08] <lifeless> or does it mean 'got no HTTP response in X time' ?
[02:09] <wgrant> I understand that it means the proxy didn't get a response from the appserver in a timely manner.
[02:09] <wgrant> Which probably means the appserver was waiting for something.
[02:09] <wgrant> Which, given last week's happenings, and the fact that other stuff times out, is quite possibly the librarian.
[02:09] <lifeless> if it means no HTTP response in X time, then yes, it can be related.
[02:09] <lifeless> but it also means we should be seeing OOPSes
[02:10] <lifeless> what pageids ?
[02:10] <wgrant> Even if there was no SQL executed afterwards?
[02:10] <wgrant> Um, it was on bug submission.
[02:10] <wgrant> So possibly BugTarget:+filebug-guided or something like that.
[02:10] <lifeless> wgrant: yes, soft oops are generated if the request is > $time
[02:11] <wgrant> lifeless: Ah, I didn't know if that also depended on SQL statements.
[02:11] <lifeless> so
[02:11] <lifeless> there's lazr.restful.utils.timeout or whatever it is
[02:11] <lifeless> which does a thread based timeout enforcer
[02:11] <lifeless> and there is the check in the storm tracer
[02:11] <lifeless> I plan to move all these checks to requesttimeline.
[02:12] <lifeless> or possibly something separate but connected.
[02:15] <lifeless> gandwana
[02:17] <wgrant> It's having lots of +filebug timeouts ?
[02:17] <lifeless> first one is sql
[02:17] <lifeless> death-by-a-thousand-LFA lookups
[02:18] <lifeless> potassium looks similar
[02:19] <lifeless> its awful o'clock to be calling the escalation phone just now
[02:19] <wgrant> What needs escalating?
[02:19] <lifeless> this issue
[02:19] <lifeless> if its not fixed
[02:20] <lifeless> 771 queries for +filebug
[02:20] <lifeless> with apport data
[02:21] <wgrant> Just tried some other restricted download stuff.
[02:21] <wgrant> Got a failure from one prod appserver -- not sure which.
[02:21] <lifeless> download or upload
[02:21] <wgrant> Download.
[02:21] <lifeless> we only had upload enabled on the firewall
[02:21] <lifeless> this might explain it
[02:21] <lifeless> well
[02:21] <lifeless> maybe not
[02:22] <wgrant> Download has been used for ages, though.
[02:22] <lifeless> we only *corrected a missing rule* for upload
[02:22] <wgrant> Ah.
[02:26] <wgrant> So, since StreamOrRedirectLibraryFileAlias failed at least once, the firewall is probably the problem.
[02:27] <lifeless> have you seen that ?
[02:28] <lifeless> was there an oops?
[02:28] <wgrant> No OOPS. Just a plaintext "There was a problem fetching the contents of this file. Please try again in a few minutes."
[02:28] <lifeless> oh, feng shui ?
[02:28] <wgrant> No.
[02:29] <wgrant> This is displayed by the appserver proxy view.
[02:29] <wgrant> When LibrarianServerError is raised by getFileContents.
[02:30] <lifeless> I have to go
[02:30] <lifeless> please - file a bug
[02:30] <lifeless> lets get all the data we can
[02:30] <wgrant> OK.
[02:30] <wgrant> Thanks.
[02:30] <lifeless> also it sounds like LibrarianServerError should be filing OOPSes
[02:30] <lifeless> if you wanted to fix that we could CP it to get more data.
[02:31] <wgrant> It sounds like it might be better to just not catch it at all.
[02:35] <lifeless> it should generate oops, if the best way to do that is to not catch it - fine.
[02:36]  * lifeless is gone, back in a few hours.
[03:22] <wgrant> sinzui: Is OOPS-1714K1846 another of the openid_identity_url LocationErrors?
[03:22]  * sinzui looks
[03:23] <wgrant> The user has OpenID issues.
[03:23] <wgrant> But it may be unrelated.
[03:23] <sinzui> Yes it is
[03:23] <wgrant> It works fine on edge, oddly.
[03:23] <wgrant> And I don't see what's changed on edge.
[03:23] <sinzui> I see two views definitely provide the attr
[03:24] <wgrant> (in this case, post-rollout the SSO account mapped to the wrong account)
[03:24] <wgrant> s/wrong account/wrong person/
[03:24] <sinzui> wgrant, that me be the case
[03:24] <sinzui> wgrant, this is the TB: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/491936/
[03:25] <wgrant> Huh.
[03:26] <sinzui> ah we hit the XRDS code
[03:26] <wgrant> Oh, right.
[03:26] <wgrant> That's why it's only on prod.
[03:26] <wgrant> Of course.
[03:26] <sinzui> This is something that the foundations team may need to explain
[03:27] <wgrant> Now, there were some changes relating to OpenID on account merges last cycle.
[03:27] <wgrant> And the diff is huge, so I didn't even skim it. /me reads.
[03:28] <wgrant> Grrrrar.
[03:28] <wgrant> Branch is private.
[03:28]  * wgrant diffs manually.
[05:02] <lifeless> back
[05:02] <lifeless> wgrant: how goes it, any more data?
[05:20] <wgrant> lifeless: Nothing.
[05:20] <wgrant> And I didn't file a bug, since if all goes well that view will disappear soon.
[05:21] <wgrant> (once your stuff is active)
[05:21] <wgrant> Or do you want a bug about the probably-not-bug +filebug issue?
[05:40] <lifeless> the upload and download ports to the appserver need to be open regardless
[05:41] <lifeless> because; in-appserver stuff uses the restricted librarian to get at content sometimes
[05:41] <wgrant> They do, yes.
[05:41] <wgrant> But it's not a bug.
[05:41] <wgrant> It's an operational issue.
[05:41] <lifeless> and uploads of all sorts are proxied via the appserver
[05:41] <lifeless> wgrant: 'meh'
[08:02] <wgrant> OOPS-1715S302
[08:05] <wgrant> lifeless: You're not still around?
[08:06] <lifeless> sigh, context manager fail
[08:06] <lifeless> yes
[08:06] <wgrant> What's the OOPS?
[08:07] <wgrant> I got that the first couple of times before the "Please try again" started appearing on staging.
[08:10] <lifeless> LaunchpadTimeoutError: Statement: 'SELECT DISTINCT SourcePackagePublishingHistory.archive, SourcePackagePublishingHistory.component, SourcePackagePublishingHistory.datecreated,
[08:10] <lifeless> QueryCanceledError('canceling statement due to statement timeout\\n',)
[08:10] <lifeless> SQL time: 10494 ms
[08:10] <lifeless> Non-sql time: 175 ms
[08:10] <lifeless> Total time: 10669 ms
[08:10] <lifeless> Statement Count: 43
[08:10] <wgrant> Hm, so probably unrelated.
[08:10] <lifeless> its on staging
[08:11] <lifeless> different librarian
[08:11] <wgrant> It is.
[08:11] <wgrant> But I still got the same error later.
[08:11] <wgrant> So it's not prod-specific.
[08:11] <wgrant> Is the staging librarian also on asuka, or not?
[08:11] <lifeless> I think so
[08:11] <wgrant> Urgh.
[08:11] <lifeless> let me check
[08:11] <wgrant> So... not firewall, in that case.
[08:11] <wgrant> I could try dogfood, which I know is the one machine.
[08:12] <lifeless> yes, asuka
[08:12] <wgrant> If the failed request caused an OOPS, it should have been just after OOPS-1715S304.
[08:12] <wgrant> Is it obvious?
[08:13] <lifeless>  LaunchpadTimeoutError: Statement: 'SELECT BinaryPackagePublishingHistory.archive, BinaryPackagePublishingHistory.binarypackagerelease, BinaryPackagePublishingHistory.component,
[08:13] <lifeless> thats 5
[08:13] <wgrant> I didn't think I caused a third, but maybe I did.
[08:13] <lifeless>   LaunchpadTimeoutError: Statement: '(SELECT "_259ce".name, Person.displayname, EmailAddress.email FROM Person JOIN Account ON Account.id = Person.account JOIN EmailAddress ON EmailAddress.person = Person.id JOIN TeamParticipation ON
[08:13] <lifeless> thats 6
[08:13] <lifeless> anon
[08:14] <wgrant> Probably not, then (but that looks like an auth query... how would that be timing out so early?)
[09:18] <wgrant> lifeless: The proxy timeouts go away if I remove most of the attachments from the uploaded blob, or if I file it against a project with only a couple of subscribers.
[09:19] <lifeless> heh
[09:19] <wgrant> Next test: Specifying a biggish team as the initial assignee, to emulate the lots of subscribers that Ubuntu has.
[09:19] <lifeless> thought so
[09:20] <wgrant> But that should still be an SQL timeout :/
[09:20] <lifeless> and they all have been that I've seen, so far.
[09:20] <wgrant> Oh look.
[09:21] <wgrant> Setting assignee=ubuntumembers when filing the bug also makes it die like that.
[09:21] <wgrant> But that should still be an SQL timeout. So why does it not appear as one...
[09:22]  * wgrant creates a few hundred people locally.
[09:30] <wgrant> Uh.
[09:30] <wgrant> Would you like some queries?
[09:30] <wgrant> That request has plenty.
[09:38] <lifeless> heh
[10:16] <lifeless> james_w: https://edge.launchpad.net/python-fixtures/trunk/0.2https://edge.launchpad.net/python-fixtures/trunk/0.2
[14:56] <james_w> thanks lifeless
[20:19] <lifeless> james_w: please let me know how you like/dislike it.
[20:20] <james_w> I'll give it a go now
[20:20] <james_w> I assume testresources will become a layer on top of fixtures now?
[20:21] <lifeless> yeah
[20:21] <lifeless> going to look at jmls remaining testrepository patches
[20:21] <lifeless> then package up fixtures
[20:22] <lifeless> then start working back along the stack, harmonising things
[20:22] <james_w> excellent
[20:22] <lifeless> I was surprised, 0.1 had 49 downloads.
[20:23]  * jelmer cheers on lifeless
[20:24] <james_w> the existence of fixtures fixture and testfixtures is unfortunate
[20:24] <lifeless> yes
[20:24] <lifeless> I thought had before wedging in there
[20:25] <lifeless> I also looked at their designs
[20:26] <lifeless> probably want to subsume fixture functionality wise in a couple of releases
[20:28] <lifeless> and testfixtures, ah yes
[20:28] <lifeless> sugar but not AFAICT fundamentally solving it
[20:31] <lifeless> actually, revisiting, testfixtures is pretty neat
[20:31] <lifeless> but the API for compare isn't quite disconnected enough for little ol me


[05:42] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[06:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:07] <mazal> Morning Graeme
[06:07] <Padroni> Morning
[06:07] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:11] <Padroni> how are you guys>?
[06:13] <mazal> Good thanx and you ?
[06:13] <Padroni> I am good
[06:13] <Padroni> it's winter here though
[06:28] <Kilos> hi barrydk  mazal  superfly  Padroni  and other lurkers
[06:29] <Padroni> hello kilos
[06:29] <Padroni> you up?
[06:29] <Kilos> yip very cold and misty today
[06:29] <Kilos> sheep are out already
[06:29] <mazal> More oom
[06:30] <mazal> maaz greet lurkers
[06:30] <Maaz> Hello lurkers, you may voice an opinion now and again you know
[06:30] <mazal> lol
[06:30] <Kilos> hehe
[06:31] <Kilos> ohi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning Uncle Kilos
[06:35] <Kilos> uh oh
[06:57] <Cryterion> Mornings
[06:57] <Kilos> hi Cryterion
[07:53] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  Xethron
[08:05] <magespawn> good morning
[08:05] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[08:06] <magespawn> how was the weekend Kilos?
[08:06] <Kilos> very quiet and cold, and there?
[08:07] <magespawn> warm for this tie of year
[08:07] <Kilos> ai!
[08:07] <magespawn> time too
[08:07] <Kilos> i could do with some warm, ThatGraemeGuy  sends all the cape cold fronts here
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> muhahaha!
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> speaking of which, anyone have any experience with panel heaters that attach to the wall?
[08:13] <Padroni> can't say that I have
[08:13] <Padroni> don't they use a lot of elec though?
[08:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> need something for the kids' room, and I'm not sure if these would be useful. max out at 400W & the consensus seems to be that it needs to run pretty much 24x7 to make any difference :-o
[08:14] <MaNI> I've got two
[08:14] <Kilos> imo the most efficient heaters are those small fan heaters
[08:14] <magespawn> My sister had one in the bathroom which worked like a charm
[08:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: I'm seeing others with that same opinion
[08:14] <MaNI> how long you need to run them to make a difference depends on how well your house is insulated :)
[08:14] <Kilos> they work great ThatGraemeGuy
[08:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> especially for only being used overnight
[08:14] <MaNI> beats those terrible fan air heaters people like at any rate
[08:14] <MaNI> they work pretty well, though they do use lots of power
[08:15] <MaNI> but thats a given for pretty much any electrical heater
[08:15] <Kilos> yip
[08:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> the explanations I'm reading are that it takes a certain amount of energy to heat a given room to a given temp
[08:16] <Kilos> how warm do you want to spend is todays game
[08:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> so a 400W panel takes 5x longer than a 2kW fan heater for instance
[08:16] <MaNI> also the wall panel heaters are relatively safe compared to some of the alternatives, if safety is a concern
[08:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> hence why people just leave the panel on 24x7
[08:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> all too complicated
[08:25] <pieter2627> morning all
[08:25] <Kilos> hi pieter2627  hoe gaan dit?
[08:26] <pieter2627> goed dankie, en oom?
[08:26] <Kilos> goed dankie
[08:26] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[08:27] <Kilos> magespaw1  i hope he is on leave or something
[08:28] <magespaw1> maybe he has gone into hibernation
[08:29] <Kilos> lol thats also ok but we need to tell him to warn us beforehand
[08:30] <Cryterion> ThatGraemeGuy, your probably best off using an aircon unit than a heating pad, as the aircon will use approx 1/3 the energy
[08:31] <magespawn> Cryterion: don't they use a lot more energy in heating?
[08:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah except the initial outlay is R5k instead of R300
[08:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> damn kids and their intolerance of cold air :-p
[08:31] <MaNI> just go outside and skip for a few minutes, then you will be warm :)
[08:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> that doesn'
[08:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> that doesn't warm the air in their bedroom which is the core of the issue
[08:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> they keep warm just fine but cold cape town air does a horrible number on their breathing systems
[08:32] <magespawn> oil fine heaters are supposed to be quite good, how old are the kids?
[08:32] <MaNI> ahh right
[08:32] <MaNI> sinus issues
[08:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> 2.5 and 6
[08:33] <Kilos> yip small fan heater is the answer if only the kids need the heat
[08:33] <magespawn> s/fine/fin
[08:33] <MaNI> panel heating will be best for them anyway then, the other types are bad for sinuses :p
[08:33] <Kilos> then if it dries the air too much you just place a dish of water in front of it
[08:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> I have a humidifier that will deal with dry air
[08:34] <Kilos> then you fine
[08:35] <MaNI> how are the windows in their room? I find fixing draughty windows a better initial win for stuff like that, heater second
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm even keeping the window closed
[08:37] <MaNI> yeah but if they are old wooden ones with old putty they leak cold air like crazy, south african homes are terrible that way
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope, aluminium frames, no leakiness
[08:38] <MaNI> ahh okay
[08:45] <Cryterion> magespawn, No you still running a pump, and not elements
[08:50] <magespawn> Cryterion: that is good to know, does this apply to all split unit aircons/
[08:50] <Cryterion> Yes
[08:54] <Kilos> wb pieter2627
[09:08] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  is the kids room on the southern side of the house?
[09:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> uuhhhhhhh
[09:08]  * ThatGraemeGuy consults google maps
[09:08] <Kilos> all the south side never sees the sun
[09:09] <Kilos> especially in winter
[09:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> no their window & external wall faces ENE more or less
[09:10] <Kilos> morning sun only then
[09:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> pretty much
[09:10] <Kilos> and large windows?
[09:12] <Kilos> double glazing helps some
[09:13] <Kilos> allows heat in with sun light then stops cold coming in
[09:13] <Kilos> or heat escaping
[09:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> no just plain windows
[09:22] <MaNI> too bad double glazing so expensive here :p
[09:23] <Kilos> what isnt
[09:24] <MaNI> :(
[09:25] <Kilos> hehe i remember when a packet of smokes and a box of matches cost 20c
[09:26] <Kilos> and petrol from pta to durbs cost R6
[09:30] <magespawn> that is going back just a little bit
[09:30] <Kilos> lol
[09:30] <Kilos> everything was so much slower back then
[12:30] <mazal> Bye for now everyone
[12:30] <Kilos> cheers mazal
[14:23] <Kilos> magespawn  seen inetpro
[14:23] <Kilos> ai!
[14:23] <Kilos> Maaz  seen inetpro
[14:23] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 18 hours, 47 minutes and 10 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-06-28 12:36:25 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2015-06-26 15:32:33 PDT
[14:25] <magespawn>  home time later all
[15:19] <Kilos> hoi mazal  minetest jy al weer?
[15:25] <mazal> Lo oom , nope , eet aandete en dan skottelgoed was
[15:34] <Kilos> a
[15:41] <mazal> NOU gaan ek minetest :)
[15:59] <Kilos> lol
[16:27] <mazal_> When I find this peer guy I'm gonna pull out his toenails
[16:36] <Kilos> lol
[17:06]  * mazal thinks he must install his backup router tomorrow night
[17:24] <magespawn> good evening
[17:24] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:27] <Kilos> methinks the fly's away goodie broke
[17:29] <mazal> Lo magespawn
[17:31] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[17:31] <Tonberry> hi
[17:43] <magespawn> so what is up tonight?
[17:46] <Kilos> i dunno
[17:47] <Kilos> just know i have a midnight meeting on thursday night
[17:47] <Kilos> sigh
[17:47] <Kilos> you guys dropped me in the deep end
[17:55] <inetpro> good evenings
[17:56] <Kilos> ohi inetpro  how are you sir??
[17:56] <inetpro> good good as always
[17:56] <Kilos> i havent seen you for days
[17:57]  * inetpro was here all weekend
[17:57] <Kilos> lurking?
[17:57] <inetpro> just popped in later in the evenings when you popped out already oom Kilos... you got cold?
[17:58] <Kilos> haha well no one was chatting so it was warmer in bed
[17:58] <inetpro> ai!
[17:58] <Kilos> as long as you are good thats fine
[17:58] <Kilos> i was getting worried about you
[18:07] <mazal> Ag now that's utterly dissapointing
[18:07] <mazal> Only one good show on tv left and now it's finished :(
[18:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:09] <Kilos> what show?
[18:09] <gremble> o/
[18:10] <Kilos> hi gremble
[18:10] <gremble> How are you Kilos ?
[18:10] <mazal> Lo gremble
[18:10] <Kilos> good ty and you sir?
[18:10] <mazal> oom Kilos NCIS:LA
[18:10] <mazal> Seems last week was final episode
[18:10] <gremble> Hey mazal
[18:10] <Kilos> oh i enjoyed them too
[18:11] <mazal> Fortunately their big brother NCIS starts a new series next week
[18:24] <smile> yesterday's gone, Kilos
[18:24] <Kilos> lol
[18:26] <Kilos> watched the new godzilla last night
[18:26] <smile> Kilos: you did? :o
[18:26] <smile> but last night is gone..
[18:26] <smile> :o
[18:26] <Kilos> they preparing us for aliens
[18:32] <Kilos> smile  what are you on about yesterday and last night for?
[18:32] <smile> Kilos: ? :p
[18:32] <smile> what do you mean
[18:32] <Kilos> why are you worrying about what has passed
[18:34] <smile> Kilos: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/foreigner/thatwasyesterday.html
[18:34] <Kilos> lol
[18:35] <Kilos> twit
[18:36] <smile> :D
[18:36] <smile> I wish she'd come back tonight
[18:36] <smile> Like a star shining bright
[18:36] <smile> I don't know where she's from
[18:36] <smile> :o
[18:37] <Kilos> you been drinking again?
[18:41] <smile> nope :P I don't drink lol
[18:41] <Kilos> haha
[18:42] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  did you get the kids a heater?
[18:43]  * superfly went with a few extra blankets and hot water bottles
[18:43] <superfly> but the kids seem not feel the cold
[18:44] <Kilos> shoe my hot water bottle popped on me a week ago and none new ones in stores
[18:44] <Kilos> but they are on order they say
[18:44] <superfly> wow. checkers here has a ton
[18:45] <Kilos> this checkers says they are on order
[18:45] <Kilos> hehe murphy lives up here
[18:47] <superfly> fhwdiwdfnm8-4c
[18:48] <superfly> (anneke says hi)
[18:48] <Kilos> rofl
[18:48] <Kilos> hello little one
[18:50] <smile> good night :)
[18:50] <Kilos> night smile
[18:50] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:50] <smile> thanks! :)
[19:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: yes i got a fan heater with temperature adjustment, set it quite low, but still high enough that you can feel the difference when you walk into the room from the rest of the house
[19:16] <Kilos> great, they work well
[19:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> and turned on the humidifier on a low setting as well so the air doesn't dry out
[19:17] <Kilos> kids must be happy
[19:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i turned it on and left it for 5 mins and when i went back in i could already feel the difference
[19:17] <Kilos> amazing how efficient they are
[19:18] <Kilos> i spose because they kill the cold air low down and as it warms it rises
[19:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> they don't have a problem being cold themselves, but the cold air causes the little one's sinuses some trouble and he breaks out in coughing fits around 1 or 2 in the morning when its particularly cold
[19:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> and it has been pretty icy lately
[19:18] <Kilos> shame
[19:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> the older one is pretty fine all round though
[19:19] <Kilos> ages?
[19:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> she had a bit of a cold last week but she bounces back quickly
[19:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> 2.5 and 6
[19:19] <Kilos> aw
[19:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> she's been pretty bulletproof since we had her tonsils removed in late 2012
[19:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> little guy had his done the other day, but he also suffers allergies, so his immune system isn't quite as bulletproof
[19:20] <Kilos> eish allergies are a pain
[19:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah :-/
[19:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> he's learning already. if he's presented with something edible that he doesn't recognise he'll ask us if there are nuts in it
[19:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> its adorable and sad at the same time
[19:23] <Kilos> shame
[19:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyhoo
[19:23] <Kilos> my mom had quite a few allegies and tara has many
[19:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> electric blanket is calling me, enough of this chilliness :-o
[19:23] <Kilos> hope the warmth makes it easier for them
[19:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> night night all :-)
[19:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, holding thumbs
[19:24] <Kilos> night ThatGraemeGuy  sleep tight
[19:24]  * ThatGraemeGuy vanishes
[19:49] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:49] <mazal> Night everyone
[19:54] <gremble> Everyone goes to bed so early
[20:00] <MaNI> seems so
[21:16] <gremble> I thought you are sleeping smile4ever :P
[21:22] <smile4ever> Not yet
[21:22] <smile4ever> :-O
[21:36] <smile4ever> Slaapwel :)
[21:36] <gremble> jy ook
[21:37] <smile4ever> Bedankt :)


[03:29] <nuke250gm> Is #ubuntu closed to non-registered users?
[03:33] <Unit193> Yeah.
[03:36] <nuke250gm> Unexpected, but interesting! Thanks Unit193.
[07:45] <h3173> Hello. Is QA Staging PPA a proper way to install Xfce 4.14 on Xubuntu 18.04?
[07:50] <gnrp> h3173: I'd guess as proper as it gets
[09:43] <h3173> gnrp: will there be any more official methods? Like backports PPA.
[09:47] <brainwash> more official? that would be 19.10 and then 20.04 LTS
[09:47] <brainwash> those will ship with Xfce 4.14
[13:41] <sm0rux> From a panel I start a terminal window with the following command: exo-open --launch TermianlEmulator --maximize
[13:42] <sm0rux> From the same panel I start WeeChat with the command "weechat" and the Run in terminal tick box marked.
[13:43] <sm0rux> Is it possible to start this window maximized? Or can I start WeeChat using exo-open?
[13:47] <brainwash> sm0rux: use the "xfce4-terminal" command directly
[13:48] <sm0rux> Ahh, you mean like "xfce4-terminal --maximize weechat"?
[13:49] <brainwash> should be -x weechat or -e weechat
[13:49] <brainwash> best to check the manual page
[13:50] <sm0rux> thanks a zillion, brainwash! And thanks for your help the other day!
[13:50] <brainwash> you're welcome
[14:00] <sm0rux> xfce4-terminal --fullscreen -x weechat was even better :) Again, thanks for pointing my nose in the right direction!
[14:01] <sm0rux> brainwash: ^^
[15:40] <DerekBum> Hello, I have a couple of dumb questions: 1: How safe is to install and use Xubuntu 19.10 daily build at the moment? 2: Does it just update/ugrade like any stable release? Thank you
[15:45] <GridCube> DerekBum: it's not production ready and changes are being done to it regularly. If you want to do it to test and provide information about bugs and other problems you are more than encouraged tho, remember that you might not be able to use your computer if some nasty bug does shows up
[15:46] <GridCube> (however rarely that might happen)
[15:46] <DerekBum> Oh
[15:46] <GridCube> if you want to have a stable release go with 19.04 and update whenever 19.10 shows up
[15:47] <GridCube> you shouldn't have any issue whatsoever
[15:47] <DerekBum> ok then, thank you very much
[15:48] <GridCube> :P but if you really want to risk using 19.10 builds and provide bug reports that would be extremelly awesome as regular testers are ALWAYS needed
[15:49] <DerekBum> wait a moment... does 19.04 have Xfce 4.14?
[15:51] <GridCube> no idea
[15:52] <DerekBum> hmm
[15:52] <GridCube> probably tho
[15:52] <diogenes_> 19.04 came out in April, 4.14 came out in Auguat.
[15:53] <diogenes_> and besides you can alwys test here: https://distrotest.net/Xubuntu
[15:54] <GridCube> https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/xfce4
[15:54] <GridCube> Eoan will come with 4.14
[15:55] <GridCube> https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/xfce4
[15:55] <GridCube> 19.04 has 4.12.5
[15:55] <DerekBum> ohhh
[15:56] <DerekBum> well that makes things clear
[18:13] <diegoalv> Hi! Who can help me with the size of each partitions? I want to install xubuntu
[18:13] <diogenes_> !ask
[18:15] <Spass> diegoalv, what's the size of your disk? do you want to share it with other OS? do you care about hibernation? do you want to have / and /home separate, or do you want to install all on one partition (default behaviour)?


[00:01] <dscassel> And Ralph is nt here to talk about ubuntu-ca.org
[00:02] <dscassel> I think he's still planning on doing a Drupal 7 upgrade before he tries to figure out the various problem.
[00:02] <BobJonkman> That's it, then?
[00:02] <dscassel> s
[00:02] <dscassel> And that's the end of our agenda.  Anyone have any questions?
[00:02] <genii-around> Do we have to do so many reports a year, or similar?
[00:03] <BobJonkman> I think one per month
[00:03] <dscassel> one a month
[00:03] <genii-around> Aaah, OK. From what I can tell from previous reports, many other LoCos are not doing this
[00:04] <dscassel> Yeah. But it'll definitely count against us when we're up for renewal in November.
[00:04] <genii-around> I'm also sort of wondering why April is the last month listed
[00:05] <dscassel> That is a good question.
[00:05] <BobJonkman> I'm behind on doing minutes for the IRC meetings.  Let me work on those first, then they can provide fodder for the Team Reports
[00:06] <genii-around> Bleh. Just got the call for my board meeting. I'll be back to check scroll later.
[00:06] <BobJonkman> Bye, genii-around
[00:06] <DarwinSurvivor> just checked wikipedia, and California has a larger population than all of Canada put together :(
[00:06]  * genii-around makes a pot of coffee, hands out some mugs, and heads off
[00:07] <DarwinSurvivor> I wonder if the loco council will want to split up california into districts :P
[00:07] <LinuxMonkey> DarwinSurvivor: welcome to the State of Canada :) lol just kidding.
[00:07] <BobJonkman> Don't forget, there's an IRC log at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/20/%23ubuntu-ca.html
[00:13] <dscassel> DarwinSurvivor: I'm still waiting for the LoCo council to talk to me if they're serious about this.
[00:24] <azend> ah fack
[00:24] <azend> not again
[00:25] <azend> Missed another one :(
[00:25] <LinuxMonkey> lol azend  just scroll up :)
[00:25] <wylde_> :P
[00:26] <wylde_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~james-plate/+junk/ubu-irc-log/view/head:/ubu-irc-logs<----- plug that puppy in and feed it a date or two :) lol
[00:29] <dscassel> Hi, azend :)
[00:29] <wylde_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1051847/
[00:29] <wylde_>
[00:29] <azend> Hi dscassel :)
[00:29] <wylde_> ^^ the meeting
[00:30] <azend> I've always had the logs
[00:30] <azend> I've just never participated in the meeting :P
[00:30] <azend> wait.. it's still going isn't it
[00:31] <azend> nope
[00:32] <LinuxMonkey> You missed it azend better luck next time. Were like a flash of light...blink and you miss us
[00:33] <azend> It's because you guys are enjoying the pub too much :)
[00:33] <azend> And I missed it because I was laser cutting something
[00:34] <LinuxMonkey> azend: i'm a 12 hour drive away at the least from the rest of them
[00:34] <azend> ah
[00:34] <azend> I'm 25 mins :P
[00:34] <wylde_> I'm about 2 hours away heh
[00:34] <wylde_> well maybe 1.5 hrs
[00:36] <LinuxMonkey> I'm representing the east coast!
[01:09]  * genii-around wanders in and makes a fresh pot of coffee
[02:46] <BobJonkman> Hi azend: We're just packing up Ubuntu Hour Waterloo, where we were doing IRC IRL
[02:47] <BobJonkman> The Ubuntu-ca IRC meeting was an hour earlier today than it usually is
[02:47] <BobJonkman> OK, time to pay for dinner and beverage, then off...
[20:50] <SrRobot> Hey!