[00:00] <sreich> what's pbuilder?
[00:01] <rbelem> sreich, it is a tool to build packages
[00:01] <rbelem> sreich, it manages the chroots by it self
[00:02] <rbelem> sreich, lets do it using pbuilder
[00:02] <sreich> ok
[00:04] <rbelem> sreich, i dont know how the chroot i386 will work in fedora
[00:05] <rbelem> sreich, in the chroot run `apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools`
[00:20] <rbelem> sreich, ready?
[00:23] <sreich> http://paste.kde.org/429296
[00:23] <sreich> rbelem: ^
[00:24] <rbelem> sreich, lets try the 32bit chroot then
[00:25] <sreich> ok
[00:25] <sreich> how do i do that?
[00:26] <rbelem> sreich, `sudo debootstrap --arch=i386 oneiric /opt/ubuntu-oneiric-i386-chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu`
[00:26] <sreich> should i delete everythign i have so far?
[00:26] <rbelem> sreich, nope
[00:27] <rbelem> sreich, keep that if you want to build x86_64 packages
[00:27] <sreich> ok
[00:30] <rbelem> sreich, sudo mount -o bind /dev /opt/ubuntu-oneiric-i386-chroot/dev
[00:34] <sreich> rbelem: done
[00:34] <rbelem> sreich, sudo linux32 chroot /opt/ubuntu-oneiric-chroot su -
[00:35] <sreich> rbelem: not i686?
[00:35] <sreich> er.. i386
[00:35] <rbelem> sreich, oops
[00:35] <rbelem> sreich, sorry
[00:35] <sreich> ok
[00:35] <rbelem> sreich, sudo linux32 chroot /opt/ubuntu-oneiric-i386-chroot su -
[00:36] <rbelem> sreich, everything is the same now on
[00:36] <sreich> chroot: failed to run command `su': No such file or directory
[00:36] <sreich> sudo linux32 chroot /opt/ubuntu-oneiric-i386-chroot/ su -
[00:38] <sreich> very interesting
[00:39] <rbelem> sreich, try file /opt/ubuntu-oneiric-i386-chroot/bin/su
[00:39] <rbelem> sreich, is it 32bit?
[00:39] <sreich> is what?
[00:40] <rbelem> sreich, run `file /opt/ubuntu-oneiric-i386-chroot/bin/su`
[00:41] <sreich> aaah
[00:41] <rbelem> sreich, what is the output?
[00:41] <sreich> i screwed up the moutn -o /dev
[00:41] <sreich> (so /dev was mounted on top of the chroot folder
[00:42] <rbelem> sreich, hhahah
[00:42] <rbelem> :-)
[00:42] <sreich> works now :)
[00:43] <sreich> rbelem: now what?
[00:44] <rbelem> sreich, same thing you did in the previous target
[00:44] <rbelem> *chroot
[00:44] <sreich> ah ok
[00:44] <yofel> rbelem: what do you need linux32 for?
[00:48] <dantti> nixternal: yes, if there are other CUPS you will see then (except if is a Mac CUPS - they don't use UDP broadcasting, they use DNS-SD)
[00:49] <nixternal> hrmm, do i have to be in the same workgroup as the other systems?
[00:49] <nixternal> actually, it doesn't work for me if I am in the workgroup or not with samba, and the other machines are windows machines
[00:49] <dantti> nixternal: hmm I'm talking about linux - linux
[00:49] <nixternal> ahhh, gotcha
[00:49] <sreich> rbelem: http://paste.kde.org/429314/
[00:49] <dantti> to see samba shares it's not automatic
[00:50] <nixternal> sounds like an usability issue then with the wording, as it doesn't clarify Linux only
[00:50] <dantti> and rbelem has too add suport for it on the Add New Printer Wizard ;)
[00:50] <dantti> nixternal: it's the same name you have on localhost:631
[00:51] <dantti> but maybe a tooltip or a more informative thing could be nice...
[00:51] <nixternal> another issue I have with it is one of the shared printers I use has spaces in its name. instead of doing %20 in the URI in printer-config, it doesn't add the %, it just has 20, so it will never work until I change the 20 to %20
[00:51] <rbelem> yofel, to run 32bit efectively
[00:51] <rbelem> dantti, :-D
[00:52] <yofel> rbelem: dpkg doesn't really care what kernel you're running though
[00:52] <yofel> *care about
[00:52] <rbelem> sreich, that was because of pbuilder?
[00:53] <yofel> well, not important anyway
[00:53] <rbelem> sreich, oops ubuntu-dev-tools?
[00:53] <rbelem> yofel, hum...
[00:53] <yofel> was just curious as I've never used that so far
[00:53] <rbelem> yofel, i had throuble to build 32bits apps once
[00:54] <rbelem> yofel, with linux32 it worked
[00:54] <yofel> ah
[00:54] <sreich> rbelem: yeah apparently
[00:54] <rbelem> sreich, you dont need to install it anymore
[00:55] <rbelem> sreich, that was the other method
[00:55] <sreich> actually..that was apt-get install build-essential
[00:55] <sreich> sorry
[00:55] <rbelem> sreich, hum...
[00:55] <rbelem> sreich, thats weird
[00:55] <sreich> maybe it's still trying to install that one?
[00:55] <sreich> is there a way to --skipbroken?
[00:56] <dantti> nixternal: hmm I have to do some stuff here email me with something I can test
[00:56] <rbelem> sreich, one minute
[00:57] <rbelem> sreich, i'm trying to reproduce the error
[01:02] <yofel> oh, that's upstart not supporting chroots -.-
[01:02] <sreich> yeah..
[01:04] <rbelem> sreich, it worked here
[01:05] <sreich> -_-
[01:05] <yofel> rbelem: because you have upstart running
[01:05] <sreich> hah, yeah
[01:05] <yofel> there was a way to work around that
[01:05]  * sreich contemplating if a vm wouldn't be easier
[01:05] <yofel> sreich: try this: rm /bin/initctl; touch /bin/initctl; chmod +x /bin/initctl
[01:06] <yofel> maybe telling it to do exactly nothing will work
[01:06] <sreich> no such file or dir
[01:06] <sreich> there's initctl2dot?
[01:06] <rbelem> sreich, it would be much slower
[01:07] <rbelem> yofel, it worked on amd64 chroot
[01:07] <sreich> rbelem: in terms of what slowness?
[01:07] <yofel> rbelem: don't ask me...
[01:07] <sreich> the vm itself could handle it. qemu-kvm that is
[01:07] <yofel> oops
[01:07] <yofel> it's /sbin/initctl ^^
[01:07] <rbelem> sreich, not sure how slow
[01:08] <sreich> well, i've compiled all of kde in a vm
[01:08] <sreich> doesn't take long
[01:08] <sreich> (i have a reasonably fast cpu)
[01:09] <rbelem> sreich, did it work with the yofel tips?
[01:11] <sreich> hm,  yes
[01:12] <rbelem> sreich, awesome
[01:16] <rbelem> sreich, is everything running fine now?
[01:17] <sreich> working on installing for now
[01:17] <sreich> but yes, appears so
[01:19] <rbelem> :-0
[01:19] <rbelem> oops
[01:19] <rbelem> :-)
[01:24] <rbelem> Riddell, i uploaded the startactive again
[02:06] <rbelem> yofel, ping
[02:43] <rbelem> Riddell, i uploaded a daft for declarative-plasmoids. it has seven plasmoids. Do you thing each should go to its own package or one package for all?
[05:25] <ScottK> Riddell: I got a new router, so the arm boxes are accessible again.
[07:32] <bulldog98> mgraesslin: hi, have you read this? http://ur1.ca/8dy2p
[08:46] <CIA-42> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 146 * (TODO zsh_completion/_kgetsource) Made the autoguessing for kgetsource series completion working
[09:03] <Riddell> rbelem: new kubuntu active error
[09:03] <Riddell> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-active-settings_2.0+git2012021101-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/active-settingsmodule.desktop', which is also in package plasma-active-data 2.0+git2012021101-0ubuntu1
[09:03] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/precise/kubuntu-active/20120226/livecd-20120226-i386.out
[09:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes, but I don't have the time till thursday ...
[09:31] <peace> hi
[09:31] <shadeslayer> hey peace
[09:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what was my question?
[09:32] <Riddell> ScottK: yay, thanks!
[09:32] <peace> shadeslayer: hey
[09:33] <Riddell> who understands launchpad?  this user yurikoles is offering to update launchpad.net/kde how do I give him permissions?
[09:33] <shadeslayer> #launchpad probably would know how :P
[09:34] <Riddell> aye they're probably all asleep on a weekend but :)
[09:34] <Peace-> i just tested and created a debian package for kwin button applet
[09:34] <shadeslayer> ah heh :P
[09:34] <Peace-> it seems good
[09:35] <Peace-> minimize maximize button on the panel :D http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/vlcaudiousb7.jpeg
[09:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: <svuorela> fabo: watch out for kdevelops parsergenerator. it's going to require itself to build.
[09:41] <shadeslayer> xD
[09:41] <Riddell> Peace-: oh nice, putting it in a ppa?
[09:42] <Peace-> Riddell: :( i am noob on that
[09:42] <Peace-> Riddell: andbtw i did with cpack
[09:43] <Peace-> if anyone wants i have written some stuff here http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/kwin-button-close-minimize-on-your-panel-kubuntu-12-04/
[09:46] <Peace-> Riddell: i am not sure but on lauchpad you need to create control file right ? if you use cpack you should not able to upload the debian package .... or i didn't understand  :D
[09:46] <CIA-42> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 147 * zsh_completion/_khighestversion Added zsh completion for khighestversion
[09:49] <bulldog98> yofel: what’s about man pages for our kubuntu-dev-tools?
[09:51] <Riddell> Peace-: I don't have time to take you through it right now alas but you need to build the source package with debuild -S and ensure the .changes is signed with the same gpg key as you have in launchpad
[10:08] <starbuck> hello Riddell
[10:12] <Riddell> morning starbuck
[10:19] <starbuck> Riddell: Kubuntu on Android possible?
[10:22] <yofel> bulldog98: I never wrote any for my scripts (as I've never written a manpage)
[10:24] <bulldog98> yofel: ok
[10:24] <yofel> bulldog98: what did you use to write them?
[10:24] <bulldog98> docbook
[10:25] <yofel> hm, I'll read up on that
[10:25] <bulldog98> yofel: simply copy one of the .docbook files in the docbook folder and replace what you think must be replaced
[10:25] <bulldog98> It’s kind of like html
[10:43] <Riddell> starbuck: possible most likely but I've not looked at the technology so I've no idea what's involved
[10:43] <Riddell> starbuck: it might well include various technical bits that canonical won't make public
[11:01] <yofel> hm
[11:02]  * yofel reliably gets a kbuildsycoca crash when upgrading lucid to precise
[11:02] <bulldog98> rbelem: in kde-artwork-active you installed the pngs of ksplash into the wrong folder
[11:02] <bulldog98> you missed the images folder into which they belong
[11:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: should I move Qt 4.8 from experimental to backports?
[11:09] <shadeslayer> ( in ~kubuntu-ppa )
[11:17] <starbuck> Riddell: despite they say they're truly open? MArk said in his own blog comment about Ubuntu on Android that "all parts are open source"
[11:17] <starbuck> everything is truly open at Canonical or has that changed?
[11:19] <Riddell> starbuck: I know nothing aobut the specifics of the android project but for example in the past we have looked at kubuntu for ubuntu one..
[11:19] <Riddell> and that's all free software on the client side and open APIs, but the server is all proprietary and the APIs undocumented and changing
[11:20] <Riddell> so in practice it was impossible to make kubuntu clients at the time
[11:20] <Riddell> (they may have improved that and anyway ubuntu one is all qt now so it doesn't matter)
[11:20] <Riddell> similarly the ubuntu CD build process used to be hidden and secret and much of it is public and open now but it's not documented and I expect some bits are still secret
[11:21] <Riddell> so yes canonical (of which I'm a part) is 100% free software on the client but it's only 99% open bazaar development and server is all proprietary (which is fine, we all use google and don't complain)
[11:21] <starbuck> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1011#comment-393741
[11:22] <starbuck> im talking about ubuntu an android, nothing server etc
[11:22] <Riddell> starbuck: yes open source doesn't mean well documented and usable
[11:23] <Riddell> I've no idea about android stuff, it might well all be usable and setup for flavours/derivatives to use
[11:24] <starbuck> hehe thats true, just saying it hsould be possible to try at least, if the source is available, similar to android source... not saying its useable, but at least someone can try to make kubuntu on android useable
[11:24] <Riddell> yes, worth a try for sure
[11:25] <starbuck> i love the idea, and mark was really smart there and i wish it succeeds for canonical
[11:26] <starbuck> just that i love kubuntu for me perosnally :)
[11:26] <Riddell> the term open source implies community bazaar development but the definition just implies the same as free software which doesn't necessarily mean community development friendly
[11:27] <Riddell> yeah the idea of using your mobile as your main CPU is a cool idea, it'll be interesting to see if the mass market can understand it and use it
[11:27]  * Riddell out
[11:36] <yofel> *sigh*
[11:36]  * yofel wonders how one is supposed to support something that doesn't work at all
[11:37] <yofel> i.e. kmail-migrator
[11:42] <Peace-> yofel: xD
[11:46] <bulldog98> yofel: flame in #kdepim or something like that :P
[11:46] <yofel> well, that would be #kontact
[11:46] <yofel> and I'll do that after 4.8.1 is out
[11:47] <yofel> I haven't found a working configuration yet where a kmail upgrade from 4.4 to 4.8 works fine
[11:47] <Peace-> Riddell: i will use with a 4core smartphone for sure but only with kde
[11:47] <Peace-> :D
[11:49] <yofel> http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/kfail.png
[11:49]  * yofel goes making some tea to calm down
[11:49] <bulldog98> yofel: have you tried an empty config?
[11:50] <yofel> bulldog98: fresh install is fine, it's upgrades that don't work
[11:50] <bulldog98> yofel: yeah I mean have you tried to not change anything at the config and do the upgrade?
[11:51] <yofel> bulldog98: that was a clean install of 10.04 -> upgrade -> fail
[11:51] <bulldog98> dam
[11:51] <Peace-> xD
[11:51] <bulldog98> yofel: have you tried it with working settings?
[11:52] <yofel> bulldog98: with configured kmail you get kde bug 294855
[11:52]  * bulldog98 remembers that it didn’t worked for me too as I switched to the akonadi based kmail
[11:52] <yofel> I know it's not much of a bug report, but I'm tired of this
[11:52] <bulldog98> yofel: maybe we should put a warning into release notes, that you have to reconfigure kmail
[11:52] <bulldog98> and purge the configs while upgrade
[11:52] <yofel> bulldog98: that's already in the 11.10 release notes...
[11:53] <yofel> fell free to c&p
[11:53] <yofel> *feel
[11:57] <bulldog98> yofel: do you know how opensuse handels that?
[11:58] <yofel> nope
[12:00]  * bulldog98 will ask for that
[12:00] <yofel> rdieter: how does/did fedora handle kmail migration? (assuming you're using kmail2)
[12:03] <yofel> note: don't use kmail2 in a VM with only 1G of memory. You'll run OOM
[12:23] <bulldog98> yofel: http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/FAQs_Hints_and_Tips
[12:25] <bulldog98> yofel: openSuse hasn’t anything special in their packages
[12:26] <yofel> probably just a note in the release notes with workarounds like we did
[12:29] <bulldog98> which isn’t the way it should be :(
[12:40] <yofel> fun, upgrade calculation fails if you have skype installed
[12:44] <bulldog98> yofel: sure unfree software can break your system :)
[12:45] <yofel> nah, that's broken transition from skype:amd64 -> skype:i386
[12:45] <yofel> at least we won't have to worry about flash in the future
[12:46] <bulldog98> yofel: yeah flash is dead and long live html5
[13:03] <Peace-> :) kwin buttons on the panel i like it ! www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXlf3xRMkIE
[13:17] <rbelem> Riddell, i will fix that in a minute
[13:18] <rbelem> bulldog98, hum... maybe this is a bug in the buildsystem
[13:18] <bulldog98> rbelem: could also be but the qml want’s it to be in that folder
[13:20] <rbelem> bulldog98, i'm not sure. could you check it?
[13:20] <bulldog98> rbelem: I alread checked that
[13:21] <rbelem> bulldog98, what should be the right path?
[13:22] <bulldog98> +/images
[13:25] <rbelem> bulldog98, i will fix that right after plasma-active package
[13:38] <BluesKaj> "Morning all
[13:42] <rbelem> Riddell, do you think that the desktop file should go to plasma-active-data or plasma-active-settings?
[13:47] <Riddell> rbelem: is plasma-active-settings upstream's?
[13:52] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[14:04] <BluesKaj> how does one find a KIO list ?
[14:05] <yofel> BluesKaj: they're usually /usr/lib/kde4/kio_* - or do you need an upstream list?
[14:07] <Riddell> rbelem: and you're asking about where to put /usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/active-settingsmodule.desktop ?
[14:08] <BluesKaj> yofel,  i was looking for   , some ppl are having troublesamarok upnp
[14:08] <yofel> oh
[14:08] <yofel> that
[14:08] <yofel> I think we're missing that
[14:09] <yofel> as libhupnp-dev which is needed by kdelibs is in universe
[14:09] <Riddell> rbelem: that's just defining a type not an actual module so fine in plasma-active-data
[14:10] <Riddell> it's /usr/share/applications/kde4/active-settings.desktop which defines the actual binary so keep that in plasma-active-settings
[14:14] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdemultimedia] Philip Muškovac * 147 * debian/ (changelog control) Add Breaks/Replaces for kdemultimedia-dev against kmix << 4:4.8.0 (LP: #909852)
[14:38] <rbelem> Riddell, these are all active-settings files http://paste.kde.org/429536/
[14:40] <rbelem> Riddell, should just the three first files remain in the plasma-active-settings package and the others in the plasma-active-data?
[16:47] <Riddell> rbelem: first three and probably usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-package-org.kde.active.settings.time.desktop
[16:47] <Riddell> since that .desktop file goes with usr/lib/kde4/active_settings_time.so I expect
[17:13] <yofel> hm, after upgrade from lucid amarok says that the phonon backend claims it has no mp3 support
[17:14] <debfx> which phonon backend is selected? I hope it removed the xine backend
[17:16] <yofel> gstreamer
[17:16] <yofel> with base and good plugins installed
[17:18] <yofel> mp3 is -ugly I guess
[17:18] <debfx> ok and does the qapt gstreamer thing install the right packages?
[17:18] <yofel> nope, I have a notification that I can install flash to enhance konqueror, but that's all
[17:18] <debfx> yeah ugly or fluendo-mp3
[17:21] <yofel> debfx: file a bug against qapt? or what should handle that
[17:21] <Riddell> yofel: that's the nost notable bug?
[17:22] <yofel> Riddell: no, it's kmail ending up unusable more often than not
[17:22] <debfx> yofel: yes
[17:24] <Riddell> yofel: but the upgrade itself works?
[17:24] <yofel> yep
[17:24] <yofel> tried like a dozen ones in kvm by now, never had the upgrade itself fail
[17:24] <yofel> the only thing that makes it fail that I found is skype, and there's a bug about that
[17:26] <Riddell> good enough for beta, thanks yofel
[17:26] <Riddell> can you fill it in on iso.qa.ubuntu.com ?
[17:26] <yofel> sure
[17:29] <yofel> Riddell: ah, one thing I almost forgot, during the upgrade you always get drkonqi window that tells you kbuildsycoca has crashed. Haven't yet found out why.
[17:30] <yofel> doesn't break anything though
[17:40] <Riddell> yofel: hmm, well that's probably because something is loading a library which has changed during the upgrade, we just need to supress it somehow
[17:54] <andreaxxx> gtk styling has been broken on my kubuntu 12.04 since a bit more than a week, i think. Is there any way to currently fix it?
[17:56] <yofel> andreaxxx: do you have xsettings-kde installed?
[17:57]  * yofel needs to fix something there
[17:58] <debfx> shouldn't the dist upgrade tool update to the latest lucid packages before allowing the precise upgrade?
[17:58] <yofel> debfx: it should from what I know
[17:58] <andreaxxx> yofel: just installed it and now everything is back to normal. Thanks! i wonder why it wasn't pulled automatically
[17:58] <yofel> andreaxxx: me too, it's recommended by kubuntu-desktop
[17:59] <debfx> yofel: it doesn't seem to do that
[18:03] <yofel> for me it installs some updater related apt packages from lucid-updates, but I'm not sure if those are regular updates or upgrade specific
[18:28]  * bulldog98 gets a bug
[18:28] <bulldog98> has someone time to try to reproduce it?
[18:29] <bulldog98> it’s an qapt-codec search bug
[18:30] <bulldog98> JontheEchidna: ^ ?
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> sure
[18:31] <bulldog98> open amarok install a radio station script e.g. German Radio stations
[18:31] <bulldog98> restart amarok
[18:31] <bulldog98> search for rpr1 add that to the playlist and play it -> qapt hanging while searching for the right codec
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> where do I add scripts from?
[18:32] <bulldog98> JontheEchidna: settings -> scripts -> get new scripts
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> thx
[18:33] <bulldog98> hm other stations work but not all
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> German Radio Streams service?
[18:33] <bulldog98> yep
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> huh, text/uri-list. doesn't look like something gstreamer would decode at all
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> looks more like a mimetype
[18:36] <bulldog98> hm the question is where is the bug? amarok the script or something else
[18:39] <JontheEchidna> I'd say it's either pornon or gstreamer. I'll try to make the qapt gst helper not hang tho
[18:42] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ^ is phonon guilty?
[18:47] <Riddell> yofel: you got /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/kde4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_gstreamer.so ?
[18:47] <Riddell> yofel: and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_gstreamer.so is a symblink to it?
[18:49] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  I've been using the phonon-backend-vlc in place of gstreamer and it's working fine
[18:50] <Riddell> that doesn't help yofel
[18:50] <yofel> Riddell: I'll check in a bit when I have the VM open again
[18:50] <BluesKaj> oh ..bummer
[18:51] <yofel> on my regular precise system I have:
[18:51] <yofel> $ la /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_gstreamer.so
[18:51] <yofel> 658795 316K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 314K Feb 16 23:56 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_gstreamer.so
[18:51] <yofel> $ la /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/kde4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_gstreamer.so
[18:51] <yofel> ls: cannot access /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/kde4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_gstreamer.so: No such file or directory
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> bulldog98: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git&a=commit&h=e6acf4afdd70ae0c153d8b3b06fd3a5c7547786f
[18:52] <bulldog98> JontheEchidna: kool
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> you still won't be able to play the radio, but it won't  hang
[18:56] <Riddell> yofel: hum, so something funny there
[18:56]  * Riddell out
[19:23] <yofel> grmls: beta1 iso images are up for testing btw.
[19:27] <grmls> hi yofel and thx :)
[19:30] <bulldog98> yofel: howto?
[19:30] <yofel> bulldog98: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds
[19:31] <yofel> click on one of our images, fetch the ISO, click on a testcase, mark it as started, follow the test instructions, mark as passed/failed and mention all bugs you filed
[19:41] <bulldog98> yofel: for testing is an vm ok?
[19:42] <yofel> hardware is better. but vm is better than nothing. Just put it in a comment that it was a vm
[19:42] <yofel> you can still find plenty of bugs with VM's
[19:44] <bulldog98> yofel: for the translation test and so on I think a vm is enought
[19:44] <bulldog98> btw we still have kopete in the favorits
[19:44] <yofel> right
[19:45] <bulldog98> do we have german translation installed on the iso?
[19:45] <yofel> bulldog98: I think we don't have a final decision  yet on what to use, so no point in removing it
[19:45] <yofel> iirc we do
[19:45]  * bulldog98 doesn’t see any translation
[19:48] <bulldog98> yofel: if I find error to what should I assing them?
[19:49] <yofel> nothing, just file the bug like usual, and put the bug number in the testcase's bug field
[19:51] <debfx> bulldog98: we don't have any translations on the cd images
[19:51] <bulldog98> ok so not worth filling a bug report on that :)
[19:52] <bulldog98> debfx: maybe we should include some?
[19:52] <yofel> well, no space to include them directly at least
[19:55] <Tm_T> is there particular reason why recent kdm install doesn't populate /etc/kde4/kdm ?
[19:56] <Tm_T> package seems to include files to there, but none exist after install
[19:56] <yofel> it should do that
[19:56] <Tm_T> yofel: should do what?
[19:57] <yofel> install the files in /etc/kde4/kdm/
[19:57] <Tm_T> yup, doesn't
[19:57] <yofel> precise?
[19:57] <Tm_T> easy to reproduce: move that dir, reinstall kdm
[19:57] <yofel> oh
[19:57] <Tm_T> yofel: oneiric, kubuntu-backports
[19:57] <yofel> that won't work
[19:57] <yofel> move dir, purge kdm, reinstall. That will work
[19:57] <Tm_T> yofel: well, same even if you purge AND then install
[19:58] <Tm_T> atleast looks like it
[19:58] <yofel> ok, that should work..
[19:58] <Tm_T> will retry to make sure
[20:02] <Tm_T> hmm, indeed, now it's populated
[20:09] <sreich> is your torrent for i386 broken?
[20:10] <sreich> the file downloads in full but it wasn't anything bootable
[20:10] <sreich> like it didn't finish properly. i used ktorrent
[20:10] <bulldog98> Riddell: could you add iso testing to the topic?
[20:10] <yofel> bulldog98: do it yourself
[20:10] <sreich> (i'm talking about oneiric btw)
[20:10] <yofel> topic's unlocked
[20:10] <bulldog98> yofel: ok
[20:12] <bulldog98> ~help
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[20:12] <bulldog98> ~help ninjas
[20:12] <kubotu> no help for topic ninjas
[20:12] <bulldog98> yofel: is ~ninjas still working?
[20:12] <yofel> bulldog98: that's not on kubotu but ubottu -> !
[20:13] <bulldog98> !help ninjas
[20:13] <yofel> !ninjas
[20:13] <bulldog98> please help to do iso testing
[20:13] <yofel> uh
[20:13] <yofel> for testing we have !testers
[20:13] <yofel> !testers
[20:16] <bulldog98> yofel: btw what vm do you use qemu?
[20:17] <yofel> kvm mostly, yeah. Sometimes virtualbox
[20:17] <yofel> whatever works at the moment
[20:53] <yofel> anyone an idea what's up with the input box on netbook o.O http://imgur.com/GSaPx
[20:53] <yofel> bulldog98: ^
[20:54] <bulldog98> yofel: that looks like the bug I have in the kde greeter of lightdm
[20:55] <bulldog98> is that written in qml?
[20:55] <yofel> dunno
[20:56] <bulldog98> yofel: maybe poke in #plasma ?
[21:02] <yofel> bulldog98: where did you say there are no translations?
[21:03] <bulldog98> yofel: live session if I choose German
[21:03] <bulldog98> the translation are missing as soon as you are logged in
[21:04] <sreich> no
[21:04] <sreich> it's a bug for all widgets that use the Plasma::LineEdit apparently
[21:05] <sreich> didn't get a chance to hunt it down though
[21:05] <sreich> it's either a regression in plasma:;lineedit, or possibly Plasma::svg/plasma::framesvg
[21:05] <sreich> and yes, it looks terrible :/
[21:13] <bulldog98> yofel: did we updated some packages in the backport ppa? because I’ve got some people claiming it would break their system. http://forum.kubuntu-de.org/index.php?topic=16379.msg0 (German)
[21:15] <yofel> bulldog98: check his apt history. I messed something up in workspace which caused broken deps, but that's fixed since a few hours ago
[21:49] <bulldog98> btw is there a way to get rid of kdm’s message about being logged in in the ttys? atleast on the live-cd?
[23:03] <bulldog98> good night


[07:01] <tgpraveen12> in the downloads folder now i always have a bar at the top telling me "you can receive files via bluetooth in this folder" and there is no way to close this bar.
[07:01] <tgpraveen12> known bug?
[14:33] <kklimonda> I wonder what files are considered "Public"
[14:34] <kklimonda> in the personal file sharing preferences
[14:40] <tgpraveen12> kklimonda: ones which are set to public in sharing options of that file iirc
[15:26] <vish> tgpraveen12: have you ever considered searching lp first ;p
[15:27] <tgpraveen12> vish: what r u referring to?
[15:27] <tgpraveen12> though yeah i dont use search in lp much
[15:27] <vish> tgpraveen12: the downloads ribbon bug ;)
[15:27] <tgpraveen12> oh!
[15:27] <nigelb> tgpraveen12: dont use the search on lp, search on google in the site launchpad.net, should have better luck then
[15:28] <vish> tgpraveen12: you should use it more often ;) , you'd be surprised how much faster you can get an answer :)
[15:28] <tgpraveen12> nigelb: heh
[15:28] <nigelb> tgpraveen12: and desktop team tend to take a break on weekendds since they have their hands full on weekdays
[15:28] <tgpraveen12> vish: alright. but then i wouldnt bother ppl hear that much! :-P
[15:29] <vish> tgpraveen12: thats the idea ;)
[15:29] <tgpraveen12> hehe
[18:24] <hyperair> kenvandine: got a moment? regarding rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store, is the icon distributed under GPLv3 as well, or something else?
[19:12] <kklimonda> are we going to pursue changes in all applications to apply UnitsPolicy to them even if other distributions doesn't do it? What do we plan to change for 10.04? All GNOME applications?
[19:26] <hyperair> what's UnitsPolicy?
[19:27] <kklimonda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy - I'm probably getting too tired to make a coherent sentenct ;)
[19:41] <hyperair> kklimonda: that is really cool.
[19:42] <hyperair> i think it should have been standardized beforehand
[19:42] <kklimonda> hyperair: but, so far, we are doing this downstream and developers are starting to revolt ;)
[19:42] <hyperair> kklimonda: revolt? why would they? and why are the patches not being forwarded?
[19:42] <kklimonda> hyperair: I completely agree on the policy itself but without getting it accepted by GLib maintainers it's going to be painful
[19:43] <hyperair> kklimonda: what do you mean?
[19:43] <hyperair> kklimonda: what does glib have to do with the unitpolicy?
[19:43] <kklimonda> hyperair: mostly because those changes are going to make Ubuntu different then the rest
[19:43] <hyperair> meh. ubuntu is already different from the rest.
[19:44] <hyperair> but i'm against having too large a delta, yes
[19:44] <hyperair> such patches should really be forwarded
[19:44] <kklimonda> hyperair: well - the idea is to patch glib so developers can just use the already present g_format_size_to_display to get properly formated strings
[19:44] <hyperair> then forward the patch to glib upstream!
[19:45] <kklimonda> hyperair: it has been and their opinion is that it's an ABI break or sort
[19:45]  * hyperair facepalms
[19:46] <hyperair> not this kind of argument again
[19:46] <hyperair> the linker vs behaviour argument for ABI?
[19:48] <kklimonda> hyperair: I'm not sure what you mean ;)
[19:50] <hyperair> kklimonda: the libcurl developer once told me about the debian vs upstream fallout of SOVERSIONs... basically he bumped the soversion because he believed that the function's behaviour changed, hence it's an ABI break, and the debian developer insisted on keeping the SOVERSION since no functions were removed, so programs did not need to be recompiled for this (linker argument)
[19:50] <hyperair> kklimonda: this is a similar argument, isn't it?
[19:51] <hyperair> kklimonda: anyway how about having g_format_size_for_display use KiB instead? that way it's almost the same.. the figures are the same, just the units different.
[19:51] <kklimonda> hyperair: yes, it is similar
[19:51] <hyperair> kklimonda: is there a link to this argument upstream?
[19:51] <kklimonda> hyperair: gnome bug 554172
[19:52] <hyperair> thanks
[19:57] <hyperair> hmm the transmission argument is valid though
[21:32] <TheMuso> Good morning.
[21:32] <RAOF> Good morning!
[21:52] <rickspencer3> hey guys
[21:52] <rickspencer3> happy Monday :)
[21:55] <Keybuk> are you in Australialand?
[21:56] <rickspencer3> Keybuk, TheMuso and RAOF are
[21:56] <rickspencer3> I'm just dinking on my side projects
[21:56] <Keybuk> ahh
[21:56] <rickspencer3> Sunday afternoon here
[21:59] <Keybuk> Sunday evening here ;)
[22:01] <Keybuk> For each of the bits 0-3 in the Enable Set/Reset register (Graphics Controller register 1) that is 1, the corresponding bit in the Set/Reset register (GC register 0) is extended to a byte (0 or 0FFH) and replaces the CPU data for the corresponding plane. For each of the bits in the Enable Set/Reset register that is 0, the CPU data is used unchanged for that plane (normal operation). For example, if the Enable Set/Reset register is set t
[22:01] <Keybuk> o 01H and the Set/Reset register is set to 05H, then the CPU data is replaced for plane 0 only (the blue plane), and the value it is replaced with is 0FFH (bit 0 of the Set/Reset register extended to a byte). Note that in this case, bits 1-3 of the Set/Reset register have no effect.
[22:01] <Keybuk> ...
[22:01]  * Keybuk goes cross-eyed
[22:06] <RAOF> Doing some VGA programming?
[22:07] <Keybuk> RAOF: well spotted :p
[22:08]  * RAOF has never done any himself, but it looked familiar :)
[22:08] <Keybuk> I'm making life complicated for myself
[22:08] <Keybuk> I'm first trying to understand the existing code in usplash
[22:12]  * rickspencer3 eyes bug
[22:13] <RAOF> What, only one? :)
[22:13] <Keybuk> bug #1
[22:14] <rickspencer3> lol
[22:14] <rickspencer3> I was trying to understand what Keybuk pasted into the channel
[22:14] <Keybuk> rickspencer3: it's the fancy way of programming VGA
[22:14]  * rickspencer3 goes back to inkscape and making sprites for pygame template
[22:14] <rickspencer3> Keybuk doesn't need an IDE, he uses IRC to program
[22:14] <Keybuk> you tell the VGA controller where the pea is before you move the cups
[22:14] <Keybuk> that way you don't need the pea
[22:15] <Keybuk> rickspencer3: Keybuk wishes Linux *had* an IDE
[22:15] <rickspencer3> Keybuk, linux *is* an IDE
[22:15] <RAOF> Monodevelop's pretty good, if you're somewhat higher up the stack than prodding VGA registers.
[22:15] <rickspencer3> just without statement completion and an integrated graphical debugger
[22:16] <rickspencer3> RAOF, and care about mono ;)
[22:16] <rickspencer3> there are some decent Python ones as well, or so I hear
[22:16] <kklimonda> there is always anjuta
[22:17] <RAOF> Really?  Does it do code-completion too?  Dynamic languages are hard to do a good IDE for (in return for generally needing them less, I find).
[22:18]  * Keybuk just wishes he had VisualStudio for Linux
[22:18] <RAOF> Um.  Does apport work against staging at all now, or is launchpad just being really slow?  I'm waiting patiently for this bug data to be processed...
[22:18] <kklimonda> RAOF: it does code completion for C and most likely "code completion" for python at the project level ;)
[22:24] <rickspencer3> RAOF, there seems to be something seriously busted with apport -> LP this weekend
[22:24] <rickspencer3> I assigned a but to flacoste and pitti
[22:25] <rickspencer3> so maybe your tonight someone will jiggle the handle on it
[22:25] <rickspencer3> too bad, we're probably losing a lot of good data
[22:25] <RAOF> I'm going to need to re-ask for some apport-collect data, certainly.
[22:28] <rickspencer3> RAOF, there is a save function built into ubuntu-bug
[22:28] <rickspencer3> I think it's -f
[22:29] <rickspencer3> I guess it's --save
[22:30] <rickspencer3> because it's programmed by pitti, you can assume that there is some extra awesome built in
[22:30] <RAOF> :)
[22:39] <lifeless> Keybuk: doing vesa or direct vga ?
[22:40] <cjohnston> hey rickspencer3.. question for you if you have a moment...
[22:43] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, ;course
[22:43] <rickspencer3> what's up?
[22:44] <cjohnston> Who would be the right person to talk to about https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633 (the left vs right min max close button debate)
[22:45] <cjohnston> I would like to get some correct info on what the plan (if any) is
[22:45] <Keybuk> lifeless: direct vga
[22:52]  * rickspencer3 looks
[22:53] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, what do you want to talk about? (so I know better where to direct you)
[22:53] <rickspencer3> ug, 105 comments
[22:54] <cjohnston> I want to find out if there is either a) a plan to change it back (to right side) b) a plan to make it an option c) wont fix
[22:54] <cjohnston> both that and the fact that the window title is now left aligned
[22:54] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, I don't really know what the plans are
[22:54] <cjohnston> is there someone who might?
[22:54] <rickspencer3> I see on the bug that you are passionate about this
[22:54] <cjohnston> yes
[22:55] <rickspencer3> so I would speak with ivanka first
[22:55] <rickspencer3> and then sabdfl if talking to ivanka does not help
[22:55] <rickspencer3> cjohnston:
[22:55] <cjohnston> ok

[22:55] <rickspencer3> note that any change gets a huge amount of rabble rousing
[22:55] <rickspencer3> some justified, some not
[22:56] <cjohnston> right
[22:56] <rickspencer3> the folks who make the most progress treat the folks they are talking to with respect and patience

[22:56] <rickspencer3> :)
[22:56] <cjohnston> I personally like it the new way
[22:56] <rickspencer3> hehe
[22:56] <rickspencer3> honestly, I do too
[22:56] <rickspencer3> I like having the huge hit target for dragging windows
[22:56] <cjohnston> I just want to put an end to the <insert word>
[22:56] <cjohnston> lol
[22:57] <rickspencer3> but I don't much use the mouse to close windows
[22:57] <rickspencer3> and I adjusted in like an hour to moving to the left when I do
[22:57] <Nafai> I just found some good themes for Chrome, so now all I have to do is write an Emacs color-theme and my whole desktop uses the new themes :)
[22:57] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, good luck
[22:58] <cjohnston> i do have one complaint about the new theme.. on my lappy its really hard to see the scroll thing to drag on the right hand side.. but thats it.. i love everything else
[22:58] <cjohnston> thanks rickspencer3
[22:58] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, you should let ivanka know about that scroll thingy
[22:58] <rickspencer3> she is currently compiling tweaks
[22:58] <cjohnston> ok..
[22:59] <cjohnston> What is her nick?
[22:59] <rickspencer3> ivanka
[22:59] <rickspencer3> Ivanka = ivanka
[22:59] <cjohnston> lol
[22:59] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, she is a really good person, and I think she would appreciate some supportive communication from you
[22:59] <cjohnston> Looks like she isnt around then..
[22:59] <cjohnston> okie.. cool
[22:59]  * cjohnston is still waiting for his python class :-P
[23:00] <cjohnston> kidding of course
[23:00] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, yeah, it's Sunday in London, and she's been really burning the midnight oil
[23:00] <rickspencer3> lol
[23:00] <rickspencer3> well, for some of us, we spend our free time *also* working on Ubuntu
[23:00] <rickspencer3> just not the stuff we get paid to work on :)
[23:00]  * cjohnston doesnt get paid to work on any of it.. heh
[23:00] <cjohnston> although he wishes he did
[23:02] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, be careful what you wish for ;)
[23:03] <cjohnston> lol
[23:04] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, Ink Scape + PyGame = fun
[23:04] <rickspencer3> http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2010/03/ink-scape-pygame-fun.html
[23:05] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, hoping to see some new gnomey games using pygame
[23:07] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, cool :)
[23:09] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, as the gnome games maintainer I (probably erroneously) assume you care ;)
[23:11] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, yeah, one of the problems with gnome-games is there are too many platforms...  we've tried to standardise on one technology.  It's clutter at the moment as that aligns better with the rest of the platform
[23:12] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, oh
[23:12] <rickspencer3> maybe a gnome-games quickly template?
[23:12]  * rickspencer3 puts on list for UDS
[23:15] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, do your mouse buttons sometime stop working in Lucid?
[23:15] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, uh .. no
[23:15] <rickspencer3> that sounds pretty serious, haven't seen an x input bug in a while
[23:15] <bryceh> robert_ancell, wireless mouse?
[23:15] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, driving me insane.  seb128 was getting it at one point.  I must check if he still gets it.
[23:16] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, this may sound stupid, but "low battery in a wireless mouse"?
[23:16] <robert_ancell> bryceh, usb.  Normally the mouse clicks stop working and I mash the keyboard and mouse to get out of it
[23:16] <robert_ancell> bryceh, changing usb port doesn't work.  The one I've just got now (haven't had it before). the mouse buttons are not working and I can't alt-tab out of xchat
[23:17] <bryceh> robert_ancell, dunno, but that sounds like a familiar bug.
[23:17] <bryceh> we get a lot of complaints about usb keyboards losing configuration settings
[23:17] <bryceh> probably a kernel bug ultimately
[23:18] <robert_ancell> bryceh, any logs I can get to help?
[23:18] <bryceh> rickspencer3, I know I'm not supposed to think about work stuff over the weekend, but I'm finding myself mightily stressed out about how the MT stuff is going to end up impacting X qa for lucid
[23:19] <rickspencer3> bryceh, ok
[23:19] <rickspencer3> let's talk about it tomorrow
[23:19] <robert_ancell> sorry, forgot you guys were on weekend.
[23:19] <robert_ancell> yay, it automagically resolved itself
[23:19] <bryceh> robert_ancell, there may be, but to be honest I extremely doubt I'd have time to look at it anyway
[23:19] <rickspencer3> bryceh,  I'm not really sure that I have lots of options
[23:19] <rickspencer3> but yes, there will be a direct trade off for quality for this feature
[23:20]  * rickspencer3 sads
[23:22] <bryceh> rickspencer3, well, is it felt that the X bugs that exist aren't serious enough to worry about?
[23:22] <rickspencer3> bryceh, I can't say
[23:22] <rickspencer3> I guess it's that this feature is more valuable than quality
[23:22] <rickspencer3> bryceh, let me think about it
[23:22] <rickspencer3> I'll try to come up with a way to help
[23:36] <bryceh> I know it's not anywhere near Halloween but anyone that'd like a fright, check it out:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel?field.searchtext=GPU+Lockup
[23:37] <lifeless> yeah
[23:37] <lifeless> potentially all the same?
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell - your symptoms (keyboard and mouse buttons not working) could also be an application bug
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> something could be grabbing the keyboard and / or pointer
[23:42] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, any way to diagnose that?
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> that's quite difficult, and it's only a possibility. does it happen with any particular applications running?
[23:43] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, not that I can tell, I'm only running firefox, thunderbird, gnome-terminal and xchat
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> (you can trigger a similar effect btw, by breaking an application in gdb at a point when its grabbed the pointer)
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> i've made that mistake a few times when debugging things in gdb ;)
[23:43] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, right
[23:45] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure if there's anyway to track grabs on the server side
[23:49] <bryceh> robert_ancell, there are various tools out there for identifying where the clicks are going through the system
[23:50] <bryceh> robert_ancell, xtrace, xinput, and so on.  I don't know the procedures off the top of my head
[23:50] <bryceh> some of it is probably documented on the ubuntu-x wiki
[23:50] <robert_ancell> bryceh, ok, will have a go next time it occurs
[23:53] <chrisccoulson> i thought of xtrace, but you'd need some idea of what app causes it beforehand, as it's not something you can use to do "post-mortem" type diagnostics with
[23:54] <chrisccoulson> i was just trying to figure out which tools might tell you the information you want