[00:58] <matgeek> Hi!  I am a Debian Developer, and I look after the nomarch and I am the author and maintainer of netscript-2.4., and I am moving to host both on launchpad.  What's the story about becoming part of MOTU? As a DD, isn't there a fast-track joining process?
[00:59] <matgeek> Merry, merry, merry, Christmas!
[01:00] <matgeek> Too many presents for people to be IRCing?
[01:01] <micahg> matgeek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu/ForDebianDevelopers?action=show&redirect=UbuntuForDebianDevelopers
[02:44] <Ryan52> Could somebody please sponsor this sync request? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/midori/+bug/453070 and it hasn't made it to Debian's archive yet (I uploaded it 5 minutes ago), so here's the source package: http://home.ryan52.info:4000/dev/unstable/midori_0.2.2-1.dsc
[02:45]  * Ryan52 wonders if he's gonna get anybody around on christmas eve/christmas..
[02:45]  * Ryan52 also wonders why he can't just have the ability to do this stuff himself :(
[02:47] <crimsun> Ryan52: likely by the time an archive admin with privileges gets around to it, it will be in either incoming or unstable
[02:47] <crimsun> I'm guessing with the holidays it's far more likely to be the latter
[02:47] <Ryan52> don't I need a MOTU, not a archive admin?
[02:48] <Ryan52> I mean don't a need a MOTU to subscribe the archive admins for me?
[02:49] <Ryan52> crimsun: and yes, I know it will be that time. however right now I'm asking for a MOTU to review it and approve it.
[02:49] <crimsun> have you verified that it builds in a lucid schroot?
[02:49] <crimsun> sorry, chroot (not necessarily schroot)
[02:50] <crimsun> it's a lot easier for us if that information is in the bug report
[02:50] <crimsun> also, the Debian component should be listed in the summary
[02:50] <crimsun> (I've already fixed that last bit)
[02:51] <Ryan52> okay, sorry, I just changed the old report...didn't notice that.
[02:52] <Ryan52> no I didn't test it in a chroot, I've never had to do that before.
[02:52] <Ryan52> but I will from now on.
[02:52]  * Ryan52 is installing a lucid chroot as we speak..
[02:52] <crimsun> ok, I'm around for a bit. Please update the bug report and ping me.
[02:55] <bjsnider> crimsun, if i run dch -i, it slaps a ubuntux string onto a package version. how do i change that?
[02:58] <crimsun> bjsnider: explicitly pass the desired version with -v
[02:59] <bjsnider> thanks, i was looking for a config file i could change
[04:19] <ScottK> bjsnider: You can dch -q and then remove the first line about QA upload.
[05:01] <bjsnider> ScottK, thanks, that works, although i guess it's a...workaround?
[05:18] <diwic> I'm trying to create a pbuilder but it fails with chroot: cannot run command `/usr/bin/apt-get': No such file or directory
[05:18] <crimsun> which release?
[05:19] <diwic> crimsun: Host is Ubuntu Karmic. Guest is sid (have tried squeeze as well)
[05:22] <crimsun> cp /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh ~/pbuilder-sid && mkdir -p ~/pbuilder/result && ~/pbuilder-sid create
[05:22] <crimsun> works for me (just tried it in a lucid chroot)
[05:23] <crimsun> just verified in a karmic chroot, too
[05:24] <diwic> crimsun: thanks and merry christmas (if you celebrate that :-) )
[05:25] <diwic> crimsun: I'll try it right away
[05:29] <diwic> crimsun: hmm...do you need a .pbuilderrc to go with that one?
[05:29] <crimsun> nope
[05:30] <diwic> crimsun: E: Failed getting release file http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/sid/Release
[05:30] <crimsun> hmm
[05:30] <crimsun> are you using a local apt proxy/cacher, e.g., apt-cacher-ng ?
[05:30] <diwic> crimsun: not that I know of
[05:32] <crimsun> the only time I've seen that error is when trying to use a local (misconfigured) apt proxy
[05:33] <crimsun> does something like "sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd sid ~/pbuilder/sid http://http.se.debian.org/debian/" work?
[05:34] <diwic> crimsun: No: E: Invalid Release file, no valid components
[05:35] <diwic> crimsun: trying ftp instead, seems to work better...
[05:39] <diwic> crimsun: that command worked.
[05:39] <diwic> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/346276/ for the original error
[05:40] <diwic> ...in context
[05:48] <diwic> perhaps I should try to switch from the se mirror in karmic
[05:49] <ScottK> bjsnider: I don't think it's a bug that dch in Ubuntu is optimized for working on Ubuntu.
[05:49] <crimsun> ScottK: agreed
[05:57] <diwic> so now I've changed /etc/apt/sources.list and "sudo apt-get update". Yet I get E: Failed getting release file http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/sid/Release :-(
[06:01] <crimsun> diwic: corking is interrupting, aka pausing
[06:02] <diwic> crimsun: so is the log a result of tsched=0 being broken?
[06:03] <crimsun> no, it's a result of the device being woken up too often
[06:03] <crimsun> see the recent post regarding pcm lib wakeups on alsa-devel
[06:05] <crimsun> tsched is broken, however, and the symptom is exacerbated by both alsa-lib and PA
[06:05] <crimsun> tsched=0 *
[06:09] <diwic> "tsched=0 *" ?
[06:10] <crimsun> my previous statement was ambiguous; I meant "tsched=0" (glitch-free disabled) is broken, not "both tsched=1 (glitch-free enabled) and tsched=0 (disabled) are broken"
[06:11] <diwic> crimsun: ok. I was almost assuming it was a snowflake :-)
[06:14] <foxbuntu> bjsnider, fyi, I am building myth with newest vdpau from debian and your package of 190.53 drivers, my ppa ( https://launchpad.net/~nickj-fox/+archive/ppa/+packages )
[06:49] <diwic> finally got the pbuilder up and running, by specifying --debootstrapopts --include apt
[06:52] <diwic> but I can't build anything from it because it hangs on "Building database of manual pages ..."
[06:52] <diwic> sigh.
[06:57] <diwic> Interesting enough, when this happens, aptitude and mandb takes 100% each of one processor core
[07:03] <ScottK> That step often takes a long time for me, but always finishes eventually
[07:03] <crimsun> depending on the build-deps installed, it sometimes takes about 5 minutes
[07:04] <diwic> ok, then I'll just wait and see...
[07:06] <crimsun> hmm, need to find testers. Will write up a RFT after the holiday.
[07:06]  * crimsun just committed fixes for all the HDA codecs except VIA for powerdown sound issues
[07:08] <diwic> crimsun: realtek ALC888 here (on a desktop computer)
[07:09] <diwic> crimsun: feel free to bug me if you need me to test anything.
[07:19] <AnAnt> Hello, should I set LP #500128 status to Confirmed ?
[07:38] <diwic> still stuck eating CPU after half an hour
[11:18] <AnAnt> Hello, should I set LP #500128 status to Confirmed ? Also, I've subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors to it, is that still the right thing to do ?
[11:37] <diwic> AnAnt: It seems like the attachment you uploaded is not valid
[11:51] <erable> Hi. I want to use the new source format 3.0 (quilt) in REVU. The original archive is a tar.bz2 and I have this warning in REVU: "Warning! This package could not be extracted; there’s no browsable directory for it on REVU. "
[11:51] <erable> package is: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/yawp
[11:52] <erable> What's wrong?
[11:52] <Quintasan> erable: REVU doesn't support 3.0 at least it didn't want to accept my package
[11:56] <erable> Thanks. Do you know if it will soon be able to handle this format?
[12:01] <Quintasan> erable: beats me, it's a good idea to poke revu admins
[12:02] <erable> Quintasan: thanks
[13:00] <slytherin> persia: there? One more question about autotools.
[16:35] <ScottK> Merry Christmas everyone.
[17:30] <chromebel> hello people
[17:31] <chromebel> I'm Debian maintainer of tclxml package
[17:31] <geser> hello
[17:31] <chromebel> it was orphaned by the previous maintainer (which is the current maintainer of it in Ubuntu)
[17:32] <chromebel> I've updated the Debian package to the latest upstream version
[17:32] <chromebel> can Ubuntu "just import" the package, or I need to do something?
[17:33] <geser> it will be "just imported"
[17:33] <chromebel> ah, then ok
[17:34] <chromebel> ok, thanks, bye (c)
[17:34] <geser> it's now in testing so it will be autosynced on the next occasion (probably in 2010 due to holidays/vacations)
[19:12] <bjsnider> geser, when you say "autosync", is that a process that is carried out without human intervention?
[19:13] <jmarsden> bjsnider: It's done by the admins once in a while, I believe.
[19:13] <bjsnider> so it isn't really automaic at all
[19:15] <geser> it semi-automatic, the archive admin-of-the-day has to start a script
[19:16] <bjsnider> a script that grabs updated packages and tosses them into the ubuntu build system?
[19:17] <geser> yes, it pulls new packages and injects them into the archive, which causes the necessary build attempts
[21:57] <persia> slytherin: always best to ask, just in case someone doesn't unidle for 9 hours, and someone else might know :)
[23:38] <dhillon-v10> bjsnider, hi :D i am sorry about yesterday, I had to leave while something urgent came up and you were in the middle of making the tarball
[23:46] <bjsnider> dhillon-v10, tarball for what?
[23:46] <dhillon-v10> bjsnider, the package we were talking about yesterday
[23:47] <bjsnider> the one that does 3g sharing?
[23:47] <dhillon-v10> bjsnider, yah that one
[23:48] <bjsnider> well, there's no source code or license info there so that's the end of that idea
[23:49] <dhillon-v10> bjsnider, yah I just have to choose a different package them, I will mark that bug invalid because of the upstream problems
[23:50] <bjsnider> why doesn't network-manager do 3g sharing?
[23:50] <bjsnider> or connection sharing anyway
[23:50] <dhillon-v10> bjsnider, no idea :D I just saw this random bug so started working on it
[23:53] <bjsnider> you mean you didn't even want the software?
[23:54] <dhillon-v10> bjsnider, i didn't need that someone else reported a needs-packaging bug so I was working on it
[23:55] <bjsnider> mark it as invalid because the license and source code aren't available
[23:55] <bjsnider> but really it's a feature that hould be added to network-manager
[23:56] <dhillon-v10> bjsnider, yah did that thanks for all your help :D


[00:04] <PoolShark_> Hi.. I need a udev guru :)
[00:06] <PoolShark_> I have four identical sound devices... embedded in four separate Kenwood HF transcievers... I figured out how to give them unique ALSA names in udev, but hte problem is that when I open pavucontrol, they all have the exact same name, "PCM2903B Audio CODEC Analog Stereo" and I have no way of telling them apart. Pulse likes to randomly reconnect software to sound devices whenever one or more is plugged or unplugged, overriding the setting
[00:06] <PoolShark_> s in the software.. it's a big mess, but it would at least be easier if pavucontrol could distinguish between the four of them
[00:06] <PoolShark_> xubuntu 1804 desktop btw
[13:52] <whgiii> hello
[13:53] <GridCube> hi
[13:53] <whgiii> how's everything going in the X world :)
[14:31] <rion> Hello people.
[22:45] <gambl0re> hello?
[22:46] <gnrp> hi
[22:46] <gambl0re> hi, anyone know how to change keyboard shortcut to show desktop?
[22:48] <gambl0re> is this channel still active?
[22:48] <gnrp> It is, but less likely at this time ;)
[22:48] <gnrp> anyway, when you go to the window manager settings, you can ste the shortcut
[22:49] <gnrp> settings => window manager => keyboard
[22:49] <gnrp> per default set to Ctrl+Alt+D
[22:54] <gambl0re> gnrp, im in keyboard settings, i dont see ctrl+alt+D defined
[22:55] <gambl0re> gnrp, http://imgur.com/CPphlL4l.png
[22:57] <gambl0re> gnrp, did you see the screenshot?


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[00:54] <wxl> i think i'm having too much fun https://forum.lxqt.org/t/lxqt-panel-appearing-with-huge-delay-when-home-directory-moved/715/44?u=wxl
 @ubot93 [<ubot93> @HMollerCl: qt5-style-kvantum (source: qt5-style-kvantum): Kvantum styl …], Wow!!
 I always search it for kvantum* an not *kvantum*
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker here's more info on the Stable Release Update process whi …], Noted.
 @wxl [<wxl> i think i'm having too much fun https://forum.lxqt.org/t/lxqt-panel-appear …], Haffunn!! XD
 Also, are there any conditions on using lubuntu logo and the splash screen image? I will need them for grub theming task I am assigned to. @tsimonq2
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, are there any conditions on using lubuntu logo and the splash screen image …], What kind of conditions?
 @tsimonq2 [What kind of conditions?], Is it okay if I copy them and reuse for compiling the theme for grub? No copyright issues right?
 @tsimonq2 ??
 Right
 Asking before hand coz had a good one last time. XD
 /command !ask
 tjis soesn't work in support channel
 Is there something wrong with terminal preferences dialogue box? It spills out of screen and cannot be resized aslo :/
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/aCchoWM.jpg Take a look
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<reply to image>], I would gues you had it maximized
 I have no problem with it.
 @HMollerCl [I would gues you had it maximized], Same story for non maximised window also
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/5Ys7nho.jpg
 oooo I get it vertical size
 @HMollerCl [I have no problem with it.], You must have a bigger screen with larger resolution. Mine is a 1366*768
 I use hide panel so It just fit
 @HMollerCl [I use hide panel so It just fit], But why does it need hide panel? it should not flow into panel space when panel is not hidden, right?
 agree
 A scrollbar seems missing
 @HMollerCl [agree], Bug report then?
 Shall I?
 yup
 Instructions ploxx!
 but ask in lxqt forum first
 @HMollerCl [but ask in lxqt forum first], ?
 qterminal is lxqt app that's why?
 or a bug qterminal
 https://forum.lxqt.org/c/lxqt-components
 @HMollerCl [or a bug qterminal], I will bug qterminal. Instructions please on how to do that.
 https://forum.lxqt.org/c/lxqt-components
 there is a Issue tab
 write in there
 https://github.com/lxqt/qterminal/issues
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 @HMollerCl [https://github.com/lxqt/qterminal/issues], Added an issue there.
[03:56] <Sparky> Have a question if anyone can answer. But is there a way to install ubuntu onto an ASUS Transformer pad/laptop? It does use the Android OS.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Added an issue there.], They closed it. Fix is released it seems.
 (Photo, 606x1280) https://i.imgur.com/PdoAPp8.jpg
 When will it arrive for lubuntu?
 @Sparky [<Sparky> Have a question if anyone can answer. But is there a way to install ubu …], What is the CPU architecture?
[06:36] <wxl> you could always add that patch, @The_LoudSpeaker
[11:01] <kc2bez> wxl: There were 2 new bugs that did not have lubuntu-packages subscribed. I subscribed lubuntu-packages and commented. bug 1828201 and bug 1827501
[12:18] <SDInformatica> Good morning.
[13:35] <wxl[m]> kc2bez: how did you become aware of that first one?
 The older of the 2?
 Kind of happenstance. I saw it by searching the new Lubuntu-meta bugs when the latest one came in. I usually idle in the ubuntu-bugs-announce channel so scrolling through this morning I noticed the latest one.
[13:41] <wxl[m]> Ah
[13:41] <wxl[m]> Well just for grins I subscribed the team to bug mail for the package so we shouldn't have the problem again
 wxl: We should eithe rinclude kvantum, or tell the people of his existance. Mainly because of kvArcDark. For that to work seamlesly with our icon set, we should use epapirus icon instead of normal papirus (e-papirus are gray instead of black icons  which looks good on light and on dark background)
 or maybe include it as a tweaking chapter in the manual.
[13:44] <wxl[m]> Regarding the keyboard layout one, could you test that against all other flavors? Smells like it might be a cryptsetup and/or GRUB problem
[13:47] <wxl[m]> I like the notion of adding it to the manual. It might be good to find a bug (I'm sure there's a mailing list message, IRC comment, or bug report somewhere) regarding theme changing and use it as an example we can fix with kvantum that would be impossible otherwise.
[13:48]  * wxl[m] rolls over and goes back to sleep
 @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> Regarding the keyboard layout one, could you test that against all othe …], I can test it further, I didn't have much of a chance to dive into it this morning.
 wxl, in spanish group @N0um3n0 mentioned me qt5ct as a kvantum competitor, looks good to
 wxl: @tsimonq2: oyi you guys know Qt a bit right?
 @teward001 [wxl: @tsimonq2: oyi you guys know Qt a bit right?], Just a little :P
 happen to know which libs in Ubuntu provide Sql header(s) so I can build-dep against them for the QtSql libs?
 @wxl [<wxl> you could always add that patch, @The_LoudSpeaker], Yeah I can. but I thought disco uses latest packages so it must have that patch already, shouldn't it?
[15:46] <teward> which patch
[15:46]  * teward is confuzled
[15:47] <teward> blah fudge wrong window was talking about patches in a PM >.<
[15:47]  * teward kicks HexChat
 @teward [<teward> which patch], The qterminal preferences box spills below panel rendering some options unusable
[15:48] <teward> @The_LoudSpeaker ah.
 so, does disco not uses lxqt's latest releases then?
[15:49] <teward> disco could have been *frozen* at the time
[15:53] <apt-ghetto> disco has qterminal 0.14.1, which is the latest upstream release
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> disco has qterminal 0.14.1, which is the latest upstream release], but not that patch then?
[16:04] <apt-ghetto> If the commit (please share the link to the upstream commit or Pull Request) was added after Feb 25 2019, it is not part of the 0.14.1 release
[16:35] <wxl[m]> NOTHING uses the latest git
 Our CI does
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> If the commit (please share the link to the upstream commit or Pull …], https://github.com/lxqt/qterminal/issues/574  … Fixed a week ago it seems
 yeah then it's not in the latest stable release :P
 @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> NOTHING uses the latest git], Except rolling release distros I guess.
 @teward001 [yeah then it's not in the latest stable release :P], Yeah.
 and apparently CI which I don't believe @tsimonq2
 What is CI?
 Don't diss CI. >:(
 it works really hard
 IN THEORY Simon could get up off his butt and take the specific commits and fix the bug...
 but...
 :)
 Simon, on the other hand, is fair game
 @teward001 [but...], XD
 @The_LoudSpeaker [What is CI?], .
[17:05] <apt-ghetto> It might be a good idea to not start ALL jobs at once
 @The_LoudSpeaker [What is CI?], ci.lubuntu.me
 oh JENKINS.
 *spawns all tasks at once to spite @tsimonq2*
 :P
[17:06] <apt-ghetto> Continuous Integration = CI
 @teward001 [*spawns all tasks at once to spite @tsimonq2*], True story, that happened on UBports CI
 Jenkins was cleaning that one up for hours
 Unfortunately it was at a time when I really needed a build to go through otherwise users would need to reinstall their devices XD
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> Continuous Integration = CI], So it updates repos with latest packages and fixes from git?
 (This is only XD because it was on a release channel where things are expected to break)
[17:08] <apt-ghetto> No, it takes the latest commits from repos and builds them
 but doesn't release them :P
 There is a PPA too.
 https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-ci
 @teward001 [but doesn't release them :P], I don't I fully understand. Will ping back about this in some days. Then, please explain me how packaging and releasing and building work. Right now I gotta study. Might get an A- in tomorrows econimics exam. As of now I have B. XD
 Okay bye.
[17:59] <wxl[m]> Oh i didn't know we had a ppa
 Uh, how else would we do builds? XD
[18:04] <teward> @tsimonq2 painfully :P
 one bit at a time
 Pretty handy, I've used it a few times.
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[23:14] <lynorian>  how did I not have how to leave a channel in irc on the manual
[23:15] <wxl> cuz every time we reminded you of it, you had already left
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[23:21] <lynorian> haha wxl
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[11:41] <greyback> tsdgeos: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/qtmir/unlikelyResetStartTime/+merge/280569 is not merging into trunk, deliberate?
[11:41] <tsdgeos> greyback: nah i messed up merge into with prerequisite i guess
[11:42] <tsdgeos> greyback: give me a min to fix it
[11:42] <greyback> sure
[11:43] <tsdgeos> greyback: done
[11:50] <greyback> dandrader: hey, I've a few old reviews I need you to quickly look at again, can I add to your todo list:
[11:50] <greyback> https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtmir/fix-cmdline-args/+merge/277691
[11:50] <greyback> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/qtubuntu/DPR2/+merge/281664
[11:51] <dandrader> greyback, ok
[11:51] <greyback> and this one needs another go-over: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/qtmir/dpr/+merge/257514
[11:51] <greyback> I'm in review mode today too
[12:18] <Saviq> greyback, got people looking at the DPR silo yet? mzanetti maybe you could spend some time with it?
[12:19] <greyback> Saviq: at the silo, no.
[12:19] <mzanetti> kk, can give it a test
[12:19] <greyback> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/776 <- docs in desc
[12:19] <greyback> mzanetti: ^
[12:22] <mzanetti> ack, ta
[13:13] <Saviq> @unity, btw, you can already access https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/ and see what's happening there if you like
[13:17] <mzanetti> dandrader, hey, I just came by this https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1517133 and then there is: https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/unity8/mouse_touchpad_schema/+merge/281643
[13:18] <mzanetti> dandrader, what is the plan for mouse speed settings?
[13:18] <mzanetti> should unity8 read them from config and tell values to Mir?
[13:20] <dandrader> mzanetti, afaik, no plan yet. that sounds ok to me. wonder if libinput has its own config file or something
[13:20] <mzanetti> dandrader, well, we need more than just speed and accel. ken's branch also prepares things like changing button order for left-handers etc
[13:21] <mzanetti> so unless libinput can do all that stuff on its own, I guess we want dconf & unity8 to handle it. if libinput can, we might want to talk to ken so the settings app controls that?
[13:22] <dandrader> mzanetti, also maybe mir wants to hide libinput as an implementation detail
[13:22] <dandrader> mzanetti, so mir users should be oblivious to it
[13:22] <mzanetti> yes, fair point
[13:23] <mzanetti> kk, thanks
[13:23] <mzanetti> lets go with unity8 controlling things then
[13:23] <dandrader> mzanetti, don't even know if mir already exposes a way for use to tweak those things
[13:23] <dandrader> anpok_, ^^
[13:24] <dandrader> s/for use/for us
[13:42] <greyback> dandrader: there is, see include/server/mir/input/device.h
[13:45] <ltinkl> mzanetti, dandrader: there is and libinput has an API to control this: http://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/group__config.html
[13:46] <ltinkl> even the left/right handedness stuff etc
[13:46] <greyback> ltinkl: libinput isn't exposed through mir though, it's internal only - instead mir has apis which we can use (hopefully all we need)
[13:46] <ltinkl> mzanetti, so maybe system settings should set this directly?
[13:46] <ltinkl> greyback, yeah, that's what I meant
[13:47] <greyback> ah ok
[13:47] <ltinkl> but I don't see the need for unity8 to control these things (if we don't have any config UI)
[13:47] <ltinkl> system settings has
[13:47] <ltinkl> or will have
[13:47] <greyback> ltinkl: ordinary apps can't use libinput to configure stuff tho (unless they're root), it has to be via mir then
[13:48] <greyback> unless I'm very mistaken ofc
[13:48]  * greyback a bit wobbly on this tbh
[13:48] <ltinkl> greyback, yup, so am I correct in thinking system settings should drive this via Mir?
[13:48] <greyback> ltinkl: yes
[13:48] <greyback> we'll need to create a quick dbus api in unity8 which uses these Mir apis
[13:49] <seb128> ltinkl, system settings is the wrong place imho
[13:49] <seb128> it's not a service
[13:49] <seb128> it's not going to be active on boot/login
[13:49] <seb128> something needs to read the config and apply it on session start
[13:49] <ltinkl> right, so we need that DBUS bridge
[13:49] <seb128> something should be unity8 imho
[13:49] <seb128> or we needs a settings daemon...
[13:49] <ltinkl> seb128, ye what gerry wrote, a DBUS service
[13:50] <seb128> wfm
[13:50] <seb128> a service, I don't care much if it's a dbus one
[13:50] <ltinkl> which gets started together with u8 and reads/applies those settings
[13:50] <seb128> or a systemd unit or whatever
[13:50] <greyback> dbus handy as quick, and appArmor can manage permissions
[13:50] <greyback> (quick to implement with Qt that is)
[13:51] <ltinkl> greyback, yeah and there might come a moment when we actually use the stuff to read some config from within the shell :)
[13:52] <greyback> ltinkl: whoa, let's not get too optimistic! :D
[14:08] <Saviq> ltinkl, greyback, seb128, won't we need a keyboard indicator at some point anyway, shouldn't that be who drives it?
[14:09] <seb128> Saviq, the way it currently works on unity7 is that the indicator changes the gsettings config and the settings daemon watch the config and apply it to the server
[14:10] <seb128> but I guess the indicators could to that themselve
[14:10] <seb128> I don't have a strong preference either way
[14:10] <greyback> Saviq: I think it's pointless to make a real keyboard indicator. All the relevant state for keymap is in unity8 anyway. We'd just be export that state to separate indicator process, for it to send that state back
[14:11] <Saviq> greyback, right, in that sense we could inject a dummy indicator we, in fact, own
[14:11] <Saviq> the UI for it, I mean
[14:11] <greyback> yeah
[14:12] <Saviq> which roughly coincides with what Wellark_ wants us to talk about for indicators, where they would supply us with QML instead of us interpreting the ever-growing GMenuModel approach
[14:13] <greyback> indeed
[15:04] <mzanetti> greyback, testing the dpr silo. when disabled, I couldn't spot any issues. when enabled, I can confirm your finding. not exactly sure why the terminal would behave like that
[15:04] <mzanetti> if I change font size in the terminal settings to make it look normal, things get quite blurry
[15:06] <mzanetti> I like how the scrolling speed is fixed
[15:10] <Saviq> mzanetti, terminal likely deals in real pixels, and gets scaled up, similar to canvas
[15:10] <mzanetti> I wonder if we shouldn't fix the shell rotation animation at least
[15:10] <mzanetti> given that's in our hands
[15:11] <mzanetti> but apart from that, I guess we should land it, and we should push for fixes for the rest
[15:11] <greyback> mzanetti: that's my strategy
[15:12] <greyback> mzanetti: I found another issue that occasionally locks up the shell at DPR2 (indicator image scaling x2 for infinity), so until I've that fixed, we're leaving it disabled
[15:15] <mzanetti> greyback, ah, the Icon in the indicator is still an issue?
[15:16] <mzanetti> greyback, the Icon is a bit broken anyways, it frequently prints binding loops about implicitHeight without DPR too
[15:16] <greyback> mzanetti: yep
[15:17] <mzanetti> greyback, I've update th issues description
[15:17] <mzanetti> e.g. UbuntuShape is fine, but ProportionalShape isn't
[15:17] <mzanetti> all ActitivyIndicators are too big
[15:18] <mzanetti> but I've ran the test plan with DPR=1, couldn't spot an issue there
[15:20] <anpok_> o_O
[15:20] <ltinkl> Saviq, I did a (successful) indicator injection in my desktopBrightness branch (brightness slider)
[15:20] <anpok_> i will be back next week..
[15:21] <anpok_> usc in 0.18 has a DBUS API to confgure input devices.. the interface is com.canonical.Unity.Input..
[15:21] <anpok_> it coves everything u-s-s exposes in the gsettings schema..
[15:22] <anpok_> for 0.19 or 0.20 I will add a mir client API so nested servers and clients can change the input settings too .. additionally they will be able to notice which devices are plugged unplugged ...
[15:23] <anpok_> dandrader, mzanetti, greybac ^
[15:23] <mzanetti> ack
[15:24] <mzanetti> anpok_, I think the speed config stuff is gaining priority now... but lets talk next week when you're back
[15:24] <ltinkl> anpok_, I guess it doesn't cover (yet) the new stuff proposed in https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/unity8/mouse_touchpad_schema/+merge/281643 ?
[15:30] <anpok_> ltinkl: it does .. double click times are a toolkit thing
[15:30] <anpok_> the other ones should map directly


[00:51] <omac> hi there.  Is there a way of simply booting ubuntu straight from a microsdhc card without affect the currently installed android.
[00:52] <twb> omac: what device
[00:52] <omac> i have an p10an01
[00:53] <omac> chinese clone dual-tegra
[00:53] <twb> NFI
[00:53] <omac> roughly 250$CAN
[00:54] <omac> it's jailbroken with z4 root
[00:54] <twb> But on the asus transformer, you need to replace the bootloader if you want to boot off SD, which will indirectly affect android, since you'd need to make sure the new bootloader could still boot android or chainload the old bootloader
[00:54] <twb> omac: I don't use android so that means nothing to me
[00:55] <omac> in order for me to change a file on the android filesystem, it need to be root.
[00:55] <omac> so if you tell me which android bootloader I should use in order to enable booting from microsdhc, I'll give it a shot.
[00:56] <twb> uh, not an android bootloader
[00:56] <tony_abad> Hey folks.  I've got a problem compiling a kernel module with the 3.0.4-x3 kernel
[00:57] <twb> omac: you'll need to find a bootloader that supports your device; I have no idea if there is such a bootloader.  Also to install it, you will need to be able to flash parts of the nonvolatile storage *outside* the android filesystem, so it is completely irrelevant if you have "rooted" it or whatever.
[00:57] <tony_abad> I grabbed the kernel headers from http://rcn-ee.net/deb/sid/v3.0.4-x3/.  However, there seem to be some missing headers.  e.g. the mach/irqs.h header.
[01:20] <tony_abad> I'm having trouble compiling a kernel module for 3.0.4-x3.  Can anyone help me?
[12:16] <ppisati> hp + calxeda: did you read it? :)
[12:16] <ppisati> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/26/hp_calxeda/
[12:17] <dtrg> I see that armhf isn't listed on https://launchpad.net/builders --- is the armhf farm not running yet, or is it too new to be on that page?
[12:18] <ogra_> ppisati, i guess we will see a lot HP people at UDS then :)
[12:18] <ogra_> at least server guys
[12:18] <ogra_> (HP just committed to the ubuntu cloud as their default linux server option before)
[12:21] <soren> ogra_: orly? [citation needed] :)
[12:21] <ogra_> soren, ??
[12:21] <soren> ogra_: "(HP just committed to the ubuntu cloud as their default linux server option before)" <--- Where was this announced?
[12:23] <ogra_> soren, http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/10/ubuntu-powers-hp-public-cloud/
[12:23] <ogra_> also on plenty of news sites if you google for "HP ubuntu could"
[12:23] <soren> ogra_: Oh, I missed the part about it being the lead guest OS as well.  I arrive on SUnday.
[12:28] <lilstevie> I have a few questions, trying to fix up my 2.6.38 kernel
[12:29] <soren> ogra_: I thought this week was Somehands or whatnot?
[12:29] <ogra_> lilstevie, #ac100, look for marvin24, though he is usually around here as well if he is online ... and phh did the very first porting of the original android kernel
[12:29] <soren> ogra_: What am I missing out on? :)
[12:29] <ogra_> soren, Dx sprint i think
[12:29] <lilstevie> ogra_: ah k, I am interested in the 2.6.38 kernel stuff
[12:29] <soren> ogra_: Why would I attend that? :D
[12:29] <ogra_> soren, no idea, i fly to maine tomorrow and only move on on sunday
[12:30] <ogra_> soren, just because you blamed your jetlag :)
[12:30] <soren> ogra_: Oh, no, I was jetlagged when that HP cloud press release went out.
[12:30] <ogra_> ah
[12:31] <ogra_> i thought you were actually attending the talk in person
[12:31] <soren> I would have, but I had to leave early. My daughter turned 3 years old that day.
[12:31] <ogra_> oh, indeed, thats more important
[14:20] <tony_abad> Hi, I need help installing a kernel module on a beagle board running ubuntu arm.
[14:21] <ogra_> modprobe ?
[14:21] <tony_abad> I wish it was that easy.  I need to compile a kernel module from source.  The problem is that there seems to be some missing header files in the kernel header source directory.
[14:22] <tony_abad> for example, irq.h wants to include irqs.h from the mach directory.  But there is no irqs.h header in that directory.
[14:22] <ogra_> did you install the package already ?
[14:22] <ogra_> (to get the headers)
[14:23] <tony_abad> i did.  installed the 3.0.4-x3 image
[14:23] <ogra_> and the respective headers package ?
[14:24] <tony_abad> and got the headers from http://rcn-ee.net/deb/sid/v3.0.4-x3/
[14:24] <ogra_> the image package only carries binaries
[14:24] <ogra_> that cant work
[14:24] <ogra_> its a debian package
[14:24] <ogra_> our kernels are built completely different from debians
[14:25] <tony_abad> ok.  where can i grab the header files from?
[14:25] <ogra_> you need to use the ubuntu linux-image and linux-headers packages
[14:25] <ogra_> apt-get source indeed
[14:25] <ogra_> theoretically they should be preinstalled on all our images
[14:26] <tony_abad> apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) didn't fetch me anything.
[14:26] <tony_abad> that is, for 3.0.4-x3
[14:26] <ogra_> but you are using an official image ?
[14:27] <tony_abad> i'm using the 3.0.4-x3 image from that website.
[14:27] <ogra_> sigh
[14:27] <ogra_> what did you install as OS there
[14:27] <ogra_> did you use an official ubuntu image
[14:27] <ogra_> or something from some third party which we cant help with
[14:28] <tony_abad> i dont think it was from a 3rd party.  a fellow engineer said he installed that ubuntu arm kernel.  i got the board...it's an 11.04 ubuntu server distro.  the kernel is 3.0.4-x3.  thats all i know.
[14:28] <ogra_> (if it wasnt an official ubuntu beagle install, please talk to the third party whose image you used)
[14:29] <ogra_> tony_abad, well, you are already not using an ubuntu but a debian kernel package on your image
[14:29] <ogra_> so please talk to the person providing that kernel to you
[14:29] <ogra_> we cant help here, the default ubuntu images have everything preinstalled you need to compile a kernel module
[14:31] <tony_abad> unfortunately, i dont have the answer right now about from where the image was required.  but lemme step back and ask two possibly noobish questions.  first, do you know if the latest official ubuntu release (11.10) works with the beagle board?
[14:31] <tony_abad> nevermind the second question.  just that one question.
[14:31] <ogra_> it does, there are some issues reported with beagle XM revC and USB though
[14:32] <ogra_> all others should work OOTB
[14:32] <ogra_> the official images can be found via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP
[14:33] <tony_abad> ok, that's good to know.  from what i remember, my co-worker had to find a patched version of 11.04, but I don't know if it was because it was revC.  ogra_ , thank you for your assistance and your patience.  have a good day.
[14:34] <ogra_> youre welcome :)
[15:07] <dtrg> I see that armhf isn't listed on https://launchpad.net/builders --- is the armhf farm not running yet, or is it too new to be on that page?
[15:14] <GrueMaster> dtrg: it is still being bootstrapped.  should be online soonish.  Check back after UDS next week.
[15:15] <GrueMaster> ogra_: what's up with the ac100 audio?  I only have `controls for HP, but no sound.
[15:16] <GrueMaster> Latest kernel in Oneiric-proposed (I think).
[15:20] <dtrg> UDS?
[15:21] <GrueMaster> Ubuntu Developers Summit.  Where we figure out what we're doing for the next 6 months.
[15:21] <dtrg> Aha. Right.
[15:22] <dtrg> Where's a good place to get information on this stuff, other than hassling people on IRC?
[15:22] <GrueMaster> heh.  http://uds.ubuntu.com
[15:23] <dtrg> Really thinking of the progress of the armhf port here.
[15:24] <GrueMaster> Well, it may be a bit slow, gettingeverything ported and tested.  But it should be smoother than armv7/thumb2.
[15:25] <dtrg> I have a shiny new AC100. Ubuntu armel runs fine on it, but running armel on a Tegra2 seems a bit of a waste.
[15:25] <GrueMaster> yep.  I'm on one now, building banshee
[15:27] <dtrg> Currently I'm running Debian, but Debian don't have AC100 kernels working properly yet --- no partition table support, so they're a pain to upgrade, and it's rather unstable. So I'm really looking forward to Ubuntu armhf becoming usable.
[15:27] <dtrg> Rumour has it that multiarch will let me install armel and then upgrade to armhf later. Is this realistic?
[15:28] <GrueMaster> I don't know.  slangasek might have some insights on this though.  He's been spearheading multiarch.
[15:29] <dtrg> OK.
[15:29] <GrueMaster> But I'm sure that if someone says it is supported, I'll have to test it.  :)
[15:29] <dtrg> It's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it...
[15:30] <GrueMaster> That's why I'm here.  I find the bugs that make engineer's brains bleed.
[15:43] <slangasek> dtrg, GrueMaster: sure, it will be possible to cross-grade from armel to armhf, with a little work
[15:44] <slangasek> there's one library outstanding that I haven't converted yet which is a prerequisite (bzip2)
[15:45] <dtrg> How horrible is it? Do I end up with all my libraries in the wrong(tm) place, because /lib and /usr/lib get reserved for armel?
[15:45] <GrueMaster> ah, cool.  As soon as we start building, I'll try to do some testing on it.
[16:15] <slangasek> dtrg: with multiarch, your libraries are already moving to /lib/arm-linux-gnueabi, so the armhf libs can be installed alongside
[16:16] <slangasek> this is already done for most key libraries
[16:16] <slangasek> (but the farther up the stack we get, the easier it is for the package manager to calculate an "upgrade" path for switching archs)
[16:37] <ogra_> GrueMaster, look in the ac100 wiki (url in topic of #ac100), there are suggestions for alsamixer settings
[16:38] <GrueMaster> ok.  Will do (if wifi can maintain long enough).
[16:38] <ogra_> heh
[16:39] <ogra_> might be that you have one of the bad wifi cards, compal managed to put an aluminum foil over the LCD back that seems to cover the wlan antenna on many devices
[16:39] <ogra_> if you open the fram and cut out the piece that covers the antenna wifi will work better
[16:39] <GrueMaster> I may just switch to my Acer Aspire One.  While I love the AC100 for its battery life, 512M sucks.
[16:40] <ogra_> if you see issues at UDS too, tell me
[16:40] <ogra_> add zram and a swapfile :)
[16:40] <GrueMaster> Yep
[16:40] <ogra_> ogra@horus:~$ free|grep ^Swap
[16:40] <ogra_> Swap:      1487740     251412    1236328
[16:40] <ogra_> :)
[16:40] <ogra_> i can run a mailer, xchat and browser at the same time without issue
[16:42]  * ogra_ goes back to pack his bags for tomorrow
[16:50] <GrueMaster> Starting decent to Minniapolis/St. Paul.  Time to drop off for a bit.
[16:50] <tony_abad> Hello.  I'd like to install Ubuntu Server on a Beagle Board, Rev C.  Can someone tell me which image to use of those listed at wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP?
[17:03] <xranby> tony_abad: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-server-armel+omap.img.gz
[17:03] <xranby> tony_abad: check this page http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/
[17:04] <tony_abad> Thank you xranby.   I just wanted to make sure that 11.10 was an option (I had read somewhere recommending sticking with 11.04).
[17:04] <xranby> tony_abad: this are the latest release, if you run into any issues ile a bug
[17:04] <xranby> file a bug
[17:05] <tony_abad> Will do.  The one thing I am hoping I can do here that I couldn't using a 3rd party patched image is compile and install a kernel module that I absolutely need in my app.
[17:05] <xranby> tony_abad: after you have booted up the release run an apt-get update  apt-get upgrade to make sure you got the latest updates
[17:06] <xranby> i would recomend you to start by expecting everything to work as intended out of the box
[17:07] <xranby> tony_abad: which kernel module do you need?
[17:12] <tony_abad> I need to install the kernel module for the Kvaser Leaf.  We use it to interface with the can network on which we host the amps/motors on our robot.  I had been using it and ubuntu 11.04/11.10 just fine on a pico itx.  But we need to move to an ARM.