[00:01] <gnomefreak> ill be back a bit later find dinner
[00:02] <Jazzva> have fun gnomefreak :)
[00:44] <Jazzva> asac_, how do I submit fixes to debian? Set up chroot, prepare and test the fix, open bug report on Debian BTS, and post the fix?
[00:58] <fta> asac_, why did you drop gcc 4.2 in your last upload ?? i told you i was doing that in *.head, now we've diverged again
[01:06] <asac_> fta: cherry-pick to get testing ... shouldn't be hard to merge
[01:07] <asac_> Jazzva: if you want to do it accurately, then yes. thats good. if its unlikely to be different in debian you can also get the debian sources in ubuntu and test there
[01:07] <Jazzva> I already have sid set up, just to update packages ;)
[01:08] <asac_> Jazzva: yeah :) then go for that
[01:08] <Jazzva> ok, I will... Thanks :)
[01:09] <asac_> Jazzva: you can also setup virtualbox ;)
[01:09] <asac_> and install debian for real
[01:09] <Jazzva> True... Maybe after the mid-term exams, which are next week. :)
[01:12] <asac_> fta: if you want i can merge that upload up to .head
[01:13] <fta> too late, all my branches are done
[01:14] <asac_> fta: don't see the merge yet
[01:15] <asac_> fta: did you push yet?
[01:17] <fta> it's just slow
[01:17] <asac_> k
[01:18] <asac_> fta: even in ssh there is no new revision :/
[01:18] <asac_> which is the unmirrored tree
[01:21] <fta> my sync script is done so it should be there
[01:22] <fta> i have my ~25 branches synced
[01:23] <asac_> don't understand what that means...synched from where?
[01:23] <fta> from *.head
[01:24] <asac_> fta: from .head to where?
[01:24] <fta> forget it
[01:25] <asac_> ok, which revision is top?
[01:25] <asac_> i see "246 collapse expand  * New upstream snapshot: 1.9 CVS 20080502t1439  Fabien Tassin  46 minutes ago"
[01:28] <asac_> fta: ?
[01:29] <asac_> since its 46 min ago, i assume thats the sync.
[12:29] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm cant edit /etc/sudo with sudo visudo :(
[12:50] <Lava> hi
[12:50] <gnomefreak> hi thank you for coming in here its much easier to deal with :)
[12:50] <Lava> thanks a lot for helping me out man
[12:51] <Lava> saturday, sun shining and im inside cracking my head bout this
[12:51] <gnomefreak> Lava: can you please in the address bar type about:plugins   i will be right back im being yelled at
[12:52] <Lava> done, ready when you are
[12:53] <gnomefreak> in terminal type locate libflashsupport and let me know what you get. i will be right back
[12:54] <Lava> /usr/lib32/libflashsupport.so
[12:56] <gnomefreak> asac_: no update-alternatives doesnt fix the swf flash issue
[12:57] <gnomefreak> Lava: ok lets try something
[12:57] <gnomefreak> Lava: open synaptic click search type in flash
[12:57] <gnomefreak> when the list regenerates let me know
[12:58] <gnomefreak> since your not crashing we will leave libflashsupport there since i cant remember if its neededon 64bit
[12:59] <gnomefreak> need it on
[13:01] <gnomefreak> Lava: cwillu there is a bug in this exact issue and removing sfw or whatever its called fixed it, we thought update-alternatives should have worked but im seeing it doesnt
[13:02] <Lava> gno
[13:02] <Lava> gnomefreak, when i do what you said, the only flash indicated as installed is the flashplugin-nonfree
[13:02] <gnomefreak> Lava: ok close it
[13:03] <gnomefreak> Lava: run in terminal locate libswfdecmozilla.so
[13:05] <gnomefreak> Lava: you can close synaptic
[13:05] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[13:06] <gnomefreak> ok lets see if this issue is fixed (one of mine) yours should be a simple fix once i get the output of thee locate command
[13:07] <Lava> gnomefreak, /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/libswfdecmozilla.so
[13:08] <gnomefreak> Lava: this command is needed to be typed exactly as i do it
[13:08] <gnomefreak> sudo mv /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/libswfdecmozilla.so ~/
[13:08] <gnomefreak> including the ~/
[13:09] <Lava> ok did it
[13:09] <gnomefreak> Lava: close browser re  open it and try youtube.com
[13:09] <Lava> i tried one of the sites that i could'nt see
[13:10] <gnomefreak> also try youtube this way i know its not a site issue
[13:10] <gnomefreak> or give me link to site ill run it here
[13:10] <Lava> Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player.
[13:10] <Lava> that's what it says in youtube
[13:11] <Lava> and on the site i was on earlier, the play thing is gone, but i see 'click here to download plugin' now
[13:11] <Lava> hope this is of any help
[13:11] <gnomefreak> Lava: go into firefox prefference and enable java script
[13:12] <Lava> it is already enabled
[13:13] <Lava> should i try downloading that plugin it suggests or not?
[13:13] <Lava> 'install missing plugins'?
[13:13] <gnomefreak> if you run apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree what does it say for installed version
[13:13] <gnomefreak> hmmmm more than one bug as these are not related
[13:14] <Lava> flashplugin-nonfree:
[13:14] <Lava>   Geïnstalleerd: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2
[13:14] <Lava>   Kandidaat: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2
[13:14] <Lava>   Versietabel:
[13:14] <Lava>  *** <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2 0
[13:14] <Lava>         500 http://be.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/multiverse Packages
[13:14] <Lava>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[13:14] <gnomefreak> does htis do it on what site?
[13:14] <Lava> this is the site i was on http://www.vkmag.com/magazine/jon_lajoie_maakt_het_weer_uit/
[13:14] <gnomefreak> does this "install missing plugins" on what site
[13:15] <Lava> http://www.vkmag.com/magazine/jon_lajoie_maakt_het_weer_uit/
[13:15] <gnomefreak> Lava: make sure you are up-to-date please
[13:15] <gnomefreak> works here
[13:15] <Lava> sorry?
[13:15] <gnomefreak> Lava: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:15] <Lava> it works everywhere i presume, except on my pc :s
[13:16] <gnomefreak> Lava: the issue you are seeing was a ubufox issue that was fixed a while ago
[13:16] <gnomefreak> 2 weeks give or take
[13:16] <Lava> did the two commands
[13:16] <gnomefreak> is it running?
[13:16] <gnomefreak> asac_: you around?
[13:17] <gnomefreak> iirc this is your puppy
[13:17] <Lava> should i try installing the missing plug-ins to see what gives?
[13:18] <gnomefreak> this was fixed in ubufox and (whater michael was working on. neither are here today
[13:18] <gnomefreak> Lava: yes try it but dont count on it working
[13:18] <Lava> 'no suitable plug-ins were found'
[13:18] <Lava> darnit
[13:18] <gnomefreak> thats what i thought
[13:19] <gnomefreak> Lava: i think we have a workaround for now until i can get asac_ to look at ubufox
[13:19] <Lava> if i do manual install they send me to the adobe flash player site
[13:20] <gnomefreak> Lava: is the upgrade command still working?
[13:20] <Lava> can i paste the outcome of the terminal here?
[13:21] <gnomefreak> is it kernel upgrades
[13:21] <gnomefreak> Lava: i need to know if ubufox is in there
[13:21] <gnomefreak> thats all i need
[13:21] <Lava> ok, i'll check
[13:21] <Lava> grijzemens@grijzemens-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get update
[13:21] <Lava> Geraakt http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security Release.gpg
[13:21] <Lava> Genegeerd http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/main Translation-nl
[13:21] <Lava> Geraakt http://be.archive.ubuntu.com hardy Release.gpg
[13:21] <Lava> Geraakt http://be.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Translation-nl
[13:21] <Lava> Genegeerd http://be.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/restricted Translation-nl
[13:21] <Lava> Geraakt http://be.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Translation-nl
[13:21] <Lava> Genegeerd http://be.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/multiverse Translation-nl
[13:22] <Lava> Geraakt http://be.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates Release.gpg
[13:22] <Lava> Genegeerd http://be.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Translation-nl
[13:22] <Lava> Genegeerd http://be.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/restricted Translation-nl
[13:22] <Lava> Genegeerd http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/restricted Translation-nl
[13:22] <Lava> Genegeerd http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/universe Translation-nl
[13:22] <gnomefreak> Lava: you can stop i dont need that
[13:22] <Lava> Genegeerd http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/multiverse Translation-nl
[13:22] <Lava> Geraakt http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security Release
[13:22] <Lava> Genegeerd http://be.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/universe Translation-nl
[13:22] <Lava> Genegeerd http://be.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/multiverse Translation-nl
[13:22] <Lava> Geraakt http://be.archive.ubuntu.com hardy Release
[13:22] <Lava> Geraakt http://be.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates Release
[13:22] <Lava> Geraakt http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/main Packages
[13:22] <Lava> Geraakt http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/restricted Packages
[13:22] <Lava> Geraakt http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/main Sources
[13:22] <Lava> Geraakt http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/restricted Sources
[13:22] <Lava> Geraakt http://be.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
[13:22] <Lava> Geraakt http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/universe Packages
[13:22] <Lava> Geraakt http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/universe Sources
[13:22] <Lava> Geraakt http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/multiverse Packages
[13:22] <gnomefreak> Lava: please stop
[13:22] <Lava> Geraakt http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/multiverse Sources
[13:22] <Lava> Geraakt http://be.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/restricted Packages
[13:22] <Lava> Geraakt http://be.archive.
[13:22] <Lava> oeps, sorry
[13:22] <gnomefreak> ty
[13:22] <Lava> i stopped
[13:23] <gnomefreak> Lava: please just look for ubufox between update and upgrade command
[13:23] <gnomefreak> when it lists all the packages that are gonna be updated
[13:23] <gnomefreak> i knwo you have kernel and apparmor updates
[13:23] <gnomefreak> know.
[13:25] <Lava> nothing bout ubufox
[13:26] <gnomefreak> Lava: ok lets wait until the upgrade is done i have a few things to do before you reboot. so let me know when its finished if i dont answer right away i will answer very shortly
[13:26] <Lava> sorry, don't quite follow
[13:26] <Lava> what upgrade?
[13:31] <gnomefreak> Lava: the command i gave you sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:31] <gnomefreak> Lava: is that finished?
[13:31] <Lava> i ran both of them
[13:31] <Lava> nothing happened
[13:31] <gnomefreak> ok good i think
[13:32] <Lava> it took like 2 seconds :)
[13:32] <gnomefreak> ok lets start with sudo apt-get remove --purge swfdec-mozilla
[13:33] <gnomefreak> let me know if it removes anything
[13:33] <Lava> just to check i tried some other site btw, and here the movie works http://poststuff5.entensity.net/050208/media.php?media=quad.wmv
[13:33] <gnomefreak> that is a windows media video
[13:33] <Lava> ah ok
[13:33] <gnomefreak> flash shouldnt have anything to do with that
[13:34] <Lava> swfdec-mozilla*  - this one will be removed
[13:34] <gnomefreak> Lava: after removing that with the command i gave you please install mozilla-plugin-gnash
[13:34] <gnomefreak> Lava: that is right
[13:36] <gnomefreak> once you install mozilla-plugin-gnash please run sudp update-alternatives --config firefox-flashplugin and choose flash for both of them if ther eis a choice and restart browser and test. I will be back in a bit i have to get the newspaper
[13:40] <Lava> Selectie    Alternatieven
[13:40] <Lava> -----------------------------------------------
[13:40] <Lava>  +        1    /var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
[13:40] <Lava>           2    /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so
[13:40] <Lava> chose the second one & restarted browser
[13:40] <Lava> test was negative
[13:42] <gnomefreak> what one did you choose?
[13:42] <gnomefreak> gnash or flash?
[13:44] <asac_> Lava: post your pluginreg.dat in your $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/xxxx folder
[13:44] <gnomefreak> asac_: somehting is missing
[13:44] <asac_> without the xxxx
[13:45] <gnomefreak> asac_: will it show for flash since its in /var/..
[13:45] <asac_> yes
[13:45] <gnomefreak> ah
[13:45] <asac_> but firefox-flashplugin is the wrong alternative to tweak
[13:45] <Lava> gnash
[13:46] <gnomefreak> asac_: we did xulrunner-flashplugin already didnt fix it
[13:46] <asac_> that one is the one used by old firefox 2
[13:46] <gnomefreak> those would be the 2 that i would think has control over it
[13:46] <asac_> ffox 3 uses xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[13:46] <gnomefreak> oh
[13:46] <asac_> as its hosted by xulrunner 1.9
[13:46] <asac_> so configure that one
[13:46] <asac_> to change a thing
[13:47] <gnomefreak> than xulrunner-flashplugin is for 2.0 as well?
[13:47] <asac_> xulrunner-flashplugin is for 1.8, right
[13:47] <gnomefreak> ok
[13:47] <asac_> $ ls -l /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9b5/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[13:47] <asac_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 46 2008-04-20 21:11 /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9b5/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so -> /etc/alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[13:47] <asac_> asac@hector:~/ubuntu_bzr/xulrunner-1.9.hardy$ ls -l /usr/lib/xulrunner/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[13:47] <asac_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 2008-04-20 21:11 /usr/lib/xulrunner/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so -> /etc/alternatives/xulrunner-flashplugin
[13:47] <Lava> way above my head
[13:48] <gnomefreak> Lava: can you run cd /usr/lib/mozilla
[13:48] <asac_> Lava: just run sudo update-alternatives --config xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[13:48] <gnomefreak> ahit
[13:48] <gnomefreak> Lava: sorry cd ~/.mozilla
[13:48] <asac_> if that is corrent, then i don't know without looking at pluginreg.dat
[13:48] <asac_> s/corrent/correct/
[13:49] <gnomefreak> Lava: what folders do you see, once you cd in there type ls and give us output
[13:50]  * gnomefreak cant remember if ff3 is the numbers/letters or not
[13:50] <asac_> gnomefreak: its plain firefox
[13:50] <asac_> i have /home/asac/.mozilla/firefox/lj56xqzy.default/pluginreg.dat
[13:50] <asac_> that file we need to see what is read
[13:50] <Lava> ok, so i did  cd ~/.mozilla
[13:50] <gnomefreak> Lava: can you look for something like that  lj56xqzy will be differnet
[13:51] <asac_> cat .mozilla/firefox/*/pluginreg.dat
[13:51] <asac_> and post the output
[13:51] <asac_> cat $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/*/pluginreg.dat
[13:51] <gnomefreak> it takes wildcards now he tells me
[13:52] <Lava> i entered 'cat .mozilla/firefox/*/pluginreg.dat'
[13:52] <Lava> and got a whole list
[13:52] <Lava> in that list i should look for lj56xqzy right?
[13:52] <asac_> yes, you need to paste that
[13:52] <Lava> k
[13:52] <asac_> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[13:52] <asac_> paste there
[13:53] <Lava> pasted
[13:54] <gnomefreak> Lava: can you give us the link please
[13:54] <gnomefreak> it will have the same address as above but with munbersor letters at the end
[13:55] <Lava> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9742/
[13:55] <Lava> sorry new at this
[13:55] <gnomefreak> thats ok
[13:56] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[13:56] <gnomefreak> 14:video/flv:Flash-video:flv:$
[13:56] <gnomefreak> /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/libunixprintplugin.so:
[13:56] <gnomefreak> or libnullplugin
[13:58] <gnomefreak> maybe running u=a with xulrunner-addons-
[13:58] <asac> sorry reconnect
[13:58] <digitalspaghetti> i'm developing some pages using jquery to do animation, and for example with UI Tabs I click on a tab and it goes to load the content, but it freezes X.  are there any known resolutions?
[13:59] <asac> 14:52 < asac_> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[13:59] <asac> 14:52 < asac_> paste there
[13:59] <asac> 14:53 < asac_> further run: sudo update-alternatives --config xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[13:59] <asac> 14:53 < asac_> and see what is selected
[13:59] <asac> 14:56 < asac_> gnomefreak: fixes are available for bug 215728 as mentioned in bug.
[13:59] <gnomefreak> ah
[13:59] <digitalspaghetti> it freezes X for just a few seconds, but it's slowing down my development quite a bit
[13:59] <gnomefreak> asac_: yeah i heard there is also a back out in .js
[13:59] <asac> gnomefreak: we did it different
[14:00] <gnomefreak> Lava: run sudo update-alternatives --config xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[14:00] <asac> digitalspaghetti: i don't know what jquery is ... nor do i know what you mean by "with UI Tabs" ?
[14:00] <digitalspaghetti> jquery is a javscript library
[14:00] <asac> ok
[14:00] <Lava> ok, then?
[14:00] <gnomefreak> asac: i remember fta seeing the .js commit after he packaged it
[14:00] <Lava> libflash or gnash?
[14:00] <gnomefreak> Lava: what choices do you get?
[14:00] <asac> Lava: did you paste your pluginreg.dat yet?
[14:00] <gnomefreak> asac: libflash?
[14:01] <gnomefreak> asac: im looing at it
[14:01] <digitalspaghetti> for example, tabs are just a UI list of elements that load content into defined divs.  With each load, i change the size and opacity of the div elements for transations
[14:01] <gnomefreak> looking
[14:01] <asac> Lava: how does it look like at the moment
[14:01] <Lava> what is pluginreg.dat?
[14:01] <asac> libflash is bogus
[14:01] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9742/
[14:01] <digitalspaghetti> but it freezes X, in top it goes to 100% CPU useage
[14:01] <gnomefreak> asac: ^^^
[14:01] <asac> Lava: what i asked you to paste
[14:01] <gnomefreak> digitalspaghetti: there is a fix for it what for it to hit archives
[14:01] <Lava> pasted
[14:01] <gnomefreak> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9742/
[14:01] <asac> yeah you have no flash plugin registered
[14:01] <gnomefreak> yeah i saw that as well
[14:01] <gnomefreak> but its installed
[14:02] <asac> Lava: paste the choices  you get on update-alternatives ... libflash is definitly bogs
[14:02] <asac> bogus
[14:02] <asac> use gnash for now then
[14:02] <gnomefreak> digitalspaghetti: give us a few days for it to hot archives
[14:02] <gnomefreak> hit
[14:02] <Lava> can you tell me about the pluginreg.dat please
[14:02] <asac> Lava: ?
[14:02] <gnomefreak> Lava: its what you posted
[14:02] <Lava> how do i get it and how do i paste it where
[14:02] <asac> Lava: you pasted it and it shows what you say: "no flash registered"
[14:02] <Lava> ah ok
[14:02] <gnomefreak> Lava: already did
[14:02] <Lava> ok, sorry
[14:03] <digitalspaghetti> gnomefreak, ok i'll keep a look out for it
[14:03] <asac> Lava: run the update-alternatives and _paste_ exactly what you see
[14:03] <asac> the command is above
[14:03] <gnomefreak> digitalspaghetti: we just got the patch from upstream yesterda
[14:03] <asac> digitalspaghetti: do you see IO issues?
[14:04] <Lava> grijzemens@grijzemens-laptop:~$ run sudo update-alternatives --config xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[14:04] <Lava> bash: run: command not found
[14:04] <digitalspaghetti> IO isses asac?
[14:04] <Lava> sorry
[14:04] <Lava> forgot the run
[14:04] <Lava> :)
[14:04] <asac> Lava: yeah remove the run
[14:05] <gnomefreak> digitalspaghetti: i was thinking he did but problem isnt matching found bug from what i can tell
[14:05] <asac> digitalspaghetti: you say you see CPU spikes ... are thos accompanied with IO spikes
[14:05] <gnomefreak> asac: ^^
[14:05] <Lava> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9744/
[14:05] <digitalspaghetti> yea, the whole system freezes up, so i can't access any apps for a few seconds
[14:06] <gnomefreak> digitalspaghetti: this isnt just on media sites right?
[14:06] <asac> digitalspaghetti: try test packages announced in bug 215728
[14:07] <asac> Lava: select 1 there
[14:07] <asac> if that doesn't help
[14:07] <digitalspaghetti> gnomefreak, it's mainly when javascript is involved, stuff like gmail and app's i'm developing freeze up
[14:08] <asac> paste the output of find $HOME/.mozilla/ -type d -name plugins
[14:08] <asac> Lava: ^^
[14:08] <gnomefreak> digitalspaghetti: try the packages on the above bug
[14:08] <asac> digitalspaghetti: this probably is a different issue, but you cannot tell. if your javascript uses URLs to load content it might be that bug
[14:08] <digitalspaghetti> k, will do
[14:09] <Lava> select one where
[14:09] <gnomefreak> asac: i agree but i think ive seen this issue yesterday between massive lock ups
[14:09] <asac> Lava: in the update-alternative --config ... thing
[14:09] <asac> 1
[14:09] <gnomefreak> Lava: the update-alternatives command he gave you
[14:09] <Lava> ok, did it
[14:09] <asac> if that doesn help, run the find command above
[14:09] <gnomefreak> restart browser and try your flash site
[14:10] <gnomefreak> to test
[14:11] <gnomefreak> too many names?
[14:11] <asac> ?
[14:11] <gnomefreak> your asac_
[14:11] <gnomefreak> he just left
[14:11] <asac> yeah ... back to normal
[14:11] <asac> i had a reconnect
[14:11] <gnomefreak> ah
[14:12] <gnomefreak> Lava: does it work>
[14:12] <gnomefreak> asac: ill be right back i have kernel update that needs reboot
[14:12] <Lava> now i see a white square without the play button
[14:12] <gnomefreak> btw kernel updates for hardy
[14:12] <asac> Lava: where?
[14:13] <Lava> upside is that at least i can see the titles now
[14:13] <Lava> the place where the movie should be is blank
[14:13] <Lava> he doesn't ask for missing plugins as well anymore
[14:13] <Lava> we're making progress :D
[14:13] <asac> Lava: open about:plugins now
[14:14] <Lava> done
[14:14] <asac> (in the location bar)
[14:14] <asac> search for shockwave
[14:14] <asac> and tell which plugin is registered
[14:14] <asac> (File Name: ...)
[14:14] <Lava>     File name: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
[14:14] <Lava>     Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124
[14:14] <Lava> MIME Type 	Description 	Suffixes 	Enabled
[14:14] <Lava> application/x-shockwave-flash 	Shockwave Flash 	swf 	Yes
[14:14] <Lava> application/futuresplash 	FutureSplash Player 	spl 	Yes
[14:14] <asac> yeah thats correct
[14:15] <asac> did you use flashblock at some point?
[14:15] <Lava> GUYS
[14:15] <Lava> terrifix
[14:15] <Lava> its working all of a sudden
[14:15] <asac> ok
[14:16] <asac> most likely you needed a reload
[14:16] <Lava> thanks a lot
[14:16] <Lava> enjoy the sun sudomasters  ^^
[14:16] <asac> yeah
[14:16] <asac> bye
[14:20] <gnomefreak> fixed?
[14:23] <asac> yes
[14:24] <fta> 220 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 13 not upgraded.
[14:24] <fta> Need to get 148MB of archives.
[14:24] <gnomefreak> asac: what was the white?
[14:24] <gnomefreak> fta: that to intrepid?
[14:24] <fta> 3792 pkg waiting in the i386 queue in the build farm
[14:24] <fta> yep
[14:25] <fta> the flood started yesterday night
[14:25] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds
[14:33] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[14:34] <gnomefreak> how did that happen
[15:03] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 214817 was caused by google API :)
[15:05] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm i love when peoeple reply
[15:13] <gnomefreak> mother fucker
[15:14] <gnomefreak> asac: whats the chances you can find https://edge.launchpad.net/~israel2k9
[15:17] <gnomefreak> asac: he is spamming bug reports with using songbird fixes it even when it cant be determined what is causing the issue
[15:41] <gnomefreak> ok upgrade started ill be gone for a while.
[15:45] <asac_> gnomefreak: yeah ... nice chap
[15:45] <asac_> i am off for today
[15:45] <asac_> getting some more rest
[17:08] <Sergeant_Pony> how come on my windows version of tb gnupg can't be found? is it something seperate that needs to be installed besides openpgp?
[17:47] <asac> Sergeant_Pony: ? you need gnupg on windows, yes.
[18:16] <Sergeant_Pony> ok, thanks
[19:24] <gnomefreak> can you carry your key over as well?
[19:32] <asac> should be possible, yes.
[19:33] <gnomefreak> i think im borked already
[19:33] <gnomefreak> lsb_release doesnt work (yes i know its stupid)
[19:37] <gnomefreak> there ive downgraded everything but seamonkey xul-2.0 and tb3 :)
[19:38] <asac> xul-2.0 is probably not good ;)
[19:38] <gnomefreak> its needed for seamonkey-2.0
[19:38] <gnomefreak> i still have 1.9 and 1.8
[19:41] <fta> no xul 2.0 is only used by ff 4
[19:41] <gnomefreak> ah thats why i have it
[19:42] <fta> sm2 doesn't even need xul 1.9 as it's not using xul sdk
[19:42] <gnomefreak> fta: lsb_release is borked i dont know how you got it to work
[19:42] <fta> same for tb3
[19:42] <gnomefreak> why not? upstream choice?
[19:43] <fta> fta@ix:~ $ lsb_release -c
[19:43] <fta> Codename:       intrepid
[19:43] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm
[19:43] <fta> not upstream choice, i'd say it's not ready
[19:43] <gnomefreak> lsb_release says no modules
[19:44] <fta> it always said that
[19:44] <gnomefreak> oh maybe it was you that said it on the install --enable-static bug
[19:44] <gnomefreak> -a works too
[19:45] <gnomefreak> did i need the fta versions of nss and nspr for ff4 sm2 or tb3?
[19:45] <fta> yes, as per the deps
[19:46] <gnomefreak> what i may do is turn other box into testing PPA
[19:46] <gnomefreak> i just downgraded them and nothing uninstalled
[19:46] <fta> ?
[19:47] <gnomefreak> downgraded libnss libnspr back to hardy/intrepid versions and nothing uninstalled as in ff4 tb3 sm2
[19:47] <gnomefreak> ok ff4 still works
[19:47] <fta> hm, oh maybe i just forced build-deps, hold on
[19:48] <fta> yes, that's it
[19:57] <gnomefreak> do you happen to know the exact files i need to transfer to windows pc for gnupg key?
[19:58]  * gnomefreak may try this today
[20:01] <fta> use export instead
[20:02] <gnomefreak> export?
[20:03] <fta> --export or --export-secret-keys or --export-secret-subkeys depending on what you want to di
[20:03] <fta> do
[20:03] <fta> you may want to --armor them for transfer too
[20:03] <fta> then --import on the other side
[20:04] <gnomefreak> i just want to sign messages in tb for win
[20:05] <fta> using your unix key ?
[20:05] <fta> sorry, i don't have the context
[20:05] <gnomefreak> yeah
[20:05] <gnomefreak> there isnt anything on it either on wiki.
[20:06] <gnomefreak> that pony guy left before i could ask him
[20:06] <fta> just exporting and importing should work
[20:07] <gnomefreak> ill check wiki thanks
[20:09] <gnomefreak> like this export GPGKEY=D8FC66D2
[20:09] <gnomefreak> no thats not my key
[20:10] <gnomefreak> Sergeant_Pony: just export key and import on other side with windows?
[20:10] <fta> i do: gpg --export --armor B6EE20E8
[20:11] <fta> for my public key
[20:11] <gnomefreak> and just take that file to win?
[20:11] <fta> yes
[20:11] <gnomefreak> ok its worth a try
[20:11] <gnomefreak> thanks
[20:11] <fta> you also need your private key
[20:12] <Sergeant_Pony> I took it directly from the keyserver so I have all my keys on both setups
[20:12] <fta> same command but with --export-secret-keys
[20:12] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[20:14] <gnomefreak> gpg --export --armor 3C1C3C2A should it make a file?
[20:15] <fta> no, stdout
[20:15] <fta> just redirect to a file or copy / paste
[20:15] <gnomefreak> ok
[20:15] <fta> the armor part make it transportable
[20:15] <fta> it's designed to send keys by email
[20:16] <fta> but never email your private key ;)
[20:28] <gnomefreak> ok ill be back im gonna try this
[20:46] <fta> Jazzva, the blue background in favicons changed again, it has an effect now :)
[20:46] <Jazzva> fta: Noticed ... looks prettier :)
[20:46] <fta> indeed
[20:46] <Jazzva> now, if it could just follow the theme color settings :)
[20:47] <fta> it follows larry's conventions
[20:47] <Jazzva> larry?
[20:47] <fta> click on it
[20:47] <fta> the cop is called larry
[20:47] <Jazzva> Oh, I see :)
[20:49] <Jazzva> asac: On my way to set up Debian as VM :)... And studying, while waiting for the download to finish.
[21:08] <fta> asac, the tb3 guys answered the unix/packages-static bug
[21:08] <fta> and they rejected the patch
[21:19] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone have tb setup with openpgp?
[23:24] <blinkiz>  I really want to get rid of this slowness with ff 3.0b5 and ubuntu hardy 8.04. Have a new installation of hardy and a completely clean firefox profile without any addons (except the one ubuntu puts in.). Please help me troubleshot my complete freezes on my complete system (not just firefox process) for maybe 5 seconds when I surf some sites. In general, everything takes a second longer. Switching between tabs take 2
[23:24] <blinkiz>  seconds and so
[23:24] <blinkiz> I got complete system freezes when I surf on some sites. On other sites it's just 1 seconds slowdown or something. Like http://www.armada.nu. Switching between the links on that sites and my ubuntu freezes for maybe 5 seconds first time, comes alive, and freezes maybe 5 seconds again.
[23:46] <asac> blinkiz: please test mozillatewam ppa xulrunner 1.9
[23:47] <asac> it fixes a CPU/IO bug
[23:47] <asac> blinkiz: read bug 215728
[23:49] <[reed]>     other changes vs. upstream: we move default pref for cache size from
[23:49] <[reed]>     browser/ to toolkit/
[23:49] <[reed]> why?
[23:50] <asac> [reed]: because otherwise we also need to push firefox for this change
[23:51] <[reed]> ah
[23:51] <asac> [reed]: and the defaults should be shipped by tookit/ anyway
[23:51] <asac> dcamp sort of agreed to this
[23:51] <asac> e.g. urlclassifier. default setting -> toolkit browser.safebrowsing -> browser/
[23:52] <asac> Ill review the settings and suggest a patch to move them
[23:52] <asac> unless the default is browser specific of course :)


[02:57] <magic_ninja> !kernel
[02:58] <magic_ninja> is 5.11 in hirsute
[03:07] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic
[03:08] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic hirsute
[03:11] <Bashing-om> magic_ninja: Presently is "<IP_ADDRESS>.40+21.04.38:" per: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-generic&searchon=names&suite=hirsute&section=all .
[03:15] <magic_ninja> Bashing-om, thanks. I'm waiting on the ax210 driver
[03:16] <Bashing-om> magic_ninja: Early yet in the cycle - New(er) drivers will be available.
[03:19] <magic_ninja> awesome, thank you. I have some drivers from intel, but they aren't very good
[03:19] <Bashing-om> magic_ninja: Think I read where the 5.11 kernel is expected when hirsute is released.
[03:20] <magic_ninja> I'm hoping it makes it into the dev branch a bit sooner
[07:21] <thopiekar> Hey! I wrote about an issue here about wrong permissions in /usr/bin/ several days before. The problem seems to get more serious since "sudo" is affected now, too.
[07:22] <thopiekar> ~$ ls -la /usr/bin/sudo
[07:22] <thopiekar> -rwsr-xr-x 1 2001 2501 190952 Feb 10 12:42 /usr/bin/sudo
[07:31] <thopiekar> Ok. checked the deb file in launchpad.net.
[07:31] <thopiekar> The permissions are defintely corrupt. They are pointing to "buildd".
[08:23] <guiverc> thopiekar, have you reported it as a bug on launchpad (devs look there for bugs).  is this is a new install with the daily?
[19:22] <MikeRL> Anyone know how to check if the sound depth is 16 or whatever bit on Ubuntu and change it?
[19:23] <MikeRL> Referring in this case to integrated monitor speakers.
[19:24] <MikeRL> Hmm. I see /etc/pulse/daemon.conf contains the info.
[19:26] <MikeRL> Think I can change 16le to 24le. I'll check Windows to see the max sample rate.
[19:57] <MikeRL> I think I increased the sound quality from 16 to 24 bits. Is there a command to verify this?
[20:11] <MikeRL> Answered my own question with pulseeffects.


[19:22] <C4mbone> Anyone can help me? i've a issue with my audio control PulseAudio, i can't able my headphone, it doesn't show the option in output devices, only "JACK sink (pulse_out)


[00:00] <jordan_> well anyway, thanks for the info
[00:01] <ogra> but yes, atm the canonical arm team maintains only two images for teo platforms that re able to run an ubuntu desktop smoothly ... there might be more next release who knows
[00:02] <ogra> s/teo/the
[06:35] <SandGorgon> anybody know if the novatel mifi is linux based?
[20:04] <dpb> Hrmm, is rootstock supposed to work with karmic? qemu-system-arm doesn't seem to exist in karmic...
[20:19] <Meizirkki> dpb, exists here..
[20:20] <Meizirkki> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=qemu-system-arm&mode=exactfilename&suite=karmic&arch=any
[20:20] <Meizirkki> dpb, install qemu-kvm-extras
[20:31] <lool> dpb: It does
[20:31] <lool> dpb: Package is qemu-arm-static
[20:34] <ogra> dpb, just install the rootstock package
[20:35] <ogra> dpb, it pulls in everything it needs
[20:42] <dpb> ah, there's a package for that too! :)
[20:52] <ogra> indeed ;)
[21:54] <dpb> ogra: why does rootstock use apt-get instead of aptitude in the second stage package install?
[21:55] <ogra> who uses aptitude ?
[21:55]  * ogra knows nobody that uses aptitude and is actually no fan of it
[21:56] <ogra> in lucid i'll switch everything to tasksel btw
[21:56] <ogra> and knit a gui to sit on top
[21:56] <dpb> aptitude seems to have better detection on what to install, for example "xorg xserver-xorg-video-fbdev" <- apt-get doesn't care, it'll install ALL the non-used video drivers. aptitude is more sane and sees that video-fbdev provides all that's needed
[21:57] <ogra> still i wont default to aptitude ....
[21:58] <ogra> i'll happily take any patches that add an option to use aptitude for people actually wanting that
[21:58] <ogra> i dont really like software that tries to be smarter than the user
[21:59] <ogra> though apt-get or aptitude wont be a topic anymore once tasksel is the default ...
[21:59] <dpb> yeah, aptitude sees what I want, apt-get doesn't. it's more stupid than the user.
[21:59] <dpb> I don't even know what tasksel is... <.<
[22:00] <ogra> sudo tsaksel
[22:00] <ogra> *tasksel
[22:02] <dpb> and tasksel will run the graphical curses aptitude UI if I want to select my packages...
[22:03] <ogra> nope
[22:03] <dpb> So in future versions people are forced to use either a group of packages defined by ubuntu, or use the horrible curses aptitude UI?
[22:03] <ogra> it will just offer you the list of avilable ubuntu tasks to select from
[22:04] <ogra> it wont use curses
[22:04] <dpb> So people can't give it packages they want anymore?
[22:04] <ogra> it will get a gui
[22:04] <ogra> right, not for the basic setup, ou can easily modify it later
[22:05] <ogra> with qemu-arm-static you can just chroot into the rootfs and modify it as if you would run it on an arm
[22:05] <ogra> (you can do that already)
[22:05] <ogra> the thing is that i want it to be as close to debian-installer as possible
[22:06] <ogra> if i wouldnt have to jump through several hackish hoops to make that work i would even actually run d-i in a chroot


[00:52] <funkyHat> Any inkscape users able to confirm this bug? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/inkscape/+bug/580765
[00:59] <funkyHat> h00ky h00k
[04:53] <Sarvatt> if anyone's trying to get nouveau running with the maverick kernel i put the userspace components needed in x-updates until I can get them into the archives
[05:16] <theadmin> Hm. So is it decided now? Will Maverick go with GNOME 3?
[05:17] <Sarvatt> of course it will, just not gnome-shell by default
[05:17] <theadmin> ...o_O
[05:18] <theadmin> But will it be possible to easily swap to it (it's not as of now)?
[05:18] <Sarvatt> yep
[05:19] <theadmin> Right now deletion of gnome-panel kills off the entire GNOME, I can't even log in :D
[05:19] <Sarvatt> it replaces gnome-panel when it starts, no need to delete gnome-panel
[05:20] <theadmin> Sarvatt: Well, I uh... so how apparently will that be done in Lucid?
[05:20] <theadmin> err, Maverick
[05:20] <Sarvatt> if you have gnome-shell installed you just run gnome-shell --replace
[05:20] <theadmin> oh god, just like now. Yeah and then you have to do it on every friggin' start... :/
[05:20] <Sarvatt> i'm sure it'll be an option in appearance preferences or something by release time
[05:20] <theadmin> Ah I see.
[05:22] <Sarvatt> you shouldn't have to do it on every start now, just change a gconf key to use gnome-shell instead of metacity?
[05:22] <theadmin> hm... Oh well, better not to mess it now.
[06:59] <theadmin> Sorry, here just to grab the release schedule link :D
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas folks
[17:03] <theadmin> Say, is there a way to peek into development now? I mean, before any Alpha?
[17:05] <theadmin> Ah well whatever
[20:41] <mrsun_> hmm on a sata system what can be the reason for the whole system grinding to a halt when it reads/writes to the harddrive? :/
[20:41] <mrsun_> everything stops up .. its a freakin quadcore computer :(
[20:43] <SwedeMike> mrsun_: sounds like a driver problem.
[20:44] <mrsun_> had same problems on ALL my computers
[20:44] <mrsun_> as fast as the harddrives starts working the os stops working
[20:44] <mrsun_> hell even sound etc starts to get choppy etc :/
[20:49] <yofel> mrsun_: check with iotop what's accessing the disk?
[20:50] <yofel> under heavy I/O my desktop get's a bit sluggy too though
[20:51] <penguin42> I've seen some setups where that happens as well under some cases
[21:03] <mrsun_> this is a testiment to how much ati drivers in linux sucks
[21:04] <mrsun_> i have vmware and heroes of newerth installed on it, it runs ALOT better then a computer with ati graphics card and fglrx driver to that =)
[21:10] <penguin42> youch
[21:10] <Volkodav> will btrfs introduced to maverick ?
[21:12] <arand> Volkodav: http://www.netsplit.com/2010/05/14/btrfs-by-default-in-maverick/
[21:13] <penguin42> Its pretty new - I wouldn't like to see it as default; it would be nice to have it as an option
[21:13] <Volkodav> option will be nice too - it is really more advanced then what we use today
[21:13] <nigelb> penguin42: its not exaclty sure to be default
[21:14] <arand> Yea, having btrfs as default sounds LSD-trippy to me, but I would guess it might be introduced in the same amnner as ext4 was.
[21:14] <nigelb> It *may* be default, if they can get it, otherwise, optional
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[21:14] <yofel> not again...
[21:14] <nigelb> K-Lined, again
[21:14] <yofel> hm, was ext4 default in jaunty?
[21:15] <arand> 1 in 5 chance according to SJR, I would give it a 1 in 42, rather...
[21:15] <nigelb> yofel: optional
[21:15] <yofel> ok, then btrfs should be optional at best too
[21:15] <nigelb> yofel: well, experimental rather
[21:15] <nigelb> yofel: you listened in to uds?
[21:16] <yofel> nigelb: not to the foundations track, didn't have much time to follow it and concentrated on qa/community/kubuntu
[21:16] <yofel> the projector fans were too loud :/
[21:17] <nigelb> yofel: when keybuk gave closing sum up, he said its not yet decided
[21:17] <yofel> good
[21:17] <nigelb> but they are exploring the option of giving it as default, provided it survives qa and everyone is happy with it
[21:17] <arand> There seems to be no videos up from btrfs discussions, making me a sad bunny =:(
[21:18] <yofel> I wouldn't be against making it default in alphas and demoting it to optional later
[21:18] <nigelb> yofel: exactly
[21:18] <Volkodav> well grub2 has to work it out too
[21:18] <yofel> true
[21:18] <nigelb> if it fails alpha, then good reason to kick it out to optional
[21:19] <penguin42> the conversion process sounds scary :-)
[21:19] <arand> This sounds like it might become an interesting testing cycle...
[21:20] <penguin42> it sounds like the installer would need changing quite a bit to deal with multiple device filesystems?
[21:20] <nigelb> and also we have only 23 weeks this cycle
[21:22] <yofel> well, what consumed a lot of time in the last 2 cycles were grub2, upstart and plymouth, now we have btrfs, what's the difference :D
[21:22] <nigelb> good part is, this cycle is not lts
[21:22] <arand> And Rick was talking about keeping the same steady development but just lowering the amount of bugs... From what I hear, there are people pulling Maverick in all different kinds of directions...
[21:22] <Volkodav> penguin42: true and on top of that may need to detect SSD and offer a btrfs settings for it
[21:22] <yofel> true, but I hope that maverick doesn't end up as 'tech preview' like as karmic...
[21:22] <nigelb> yeah, the net book with unity is just going to be stunning
[21:23] <penguin42> Volkodav: What does it actively do differently for SSD?
[21:23] <nigelb> and windicators and sound menu and all that stuff, it just mindblowing
[21:23] <Volkodav> penguin42: TRIM support etc
[21:23] <penguin42> Volkodav: Oh cool
[21:24] <yofel> yeah, btrfs had the ssd parameter since quite a while, but with .33 having trim support it actually makes sense ^^
[21:24] <SwedeMike> I hope it's not going to be default though, bleeding edge for FSes is seldom a good idea.
[21:24] <arand> Well, at least windics are at a rather separated side of things, with less overlap
[21:24] <penguin42> SwedeMike: Yeh, we're still just getting used to the failure modes of ext4
[21:24] <yofel> SwedeMike: +1, ext4 wasn't really ready until .30
[21:24] <nigelb> arand: whats the different directions you're talking about/
[21:25] <SwedeMike> penguin42: exactly my thinking.
[21:25] <penguin42> can btrfs do snapshotting?
[21:25] <Volkodav> yofel: did you try your ssd on trim yet ?
[21:25] <SwedeMike> yofel: and all the applications weren't really ready either, still don't know if they are (thinking of sync behaviour)
[21:25] <Volkodav> looks like mine works
[21:25] <penguin42> there was someone asking on -server about trying an upgrade from jaunty with rollback, something he's used to being able to do on zfs - and that's a fair wishlist item
[21:26] <yofel> Volkodav: not really, didn't have much time the last few days
[21:26] <arand> nigelb: If you listen to the Plenary of Rick, and the one by Mark, it seems like one imagine Maverick as Lucid+quality, and the other as Lucid+gocrazy!
[21:26] <Volkodav> rollback and snapshots are definitely one of the nicest features it offers
[21:27] <nigelb> arand: well, mark's one is going to be the correct take
[21:28] <SwedeMike> I think lucid had too much stuff already, but it seems to have fixed all my problems that were introduced in 9.10, so I'm happy.
[21:28] <arand> nigelb: Yea, Rick's did kind of sound out of place a bit... I guess "GoCrazy!" it is then..
[21:28] <nigelb> arand: haha.
[21:28]  * yofel got the general feeling that .10 was go crazy and .04 is quality
[21:29] <yofel> but plymouth felt rather crazy too...
[21:29] <nigelb> but i'd rather have te fast boot times
[21:29] <arand> Well they did try it for a while in karmic didn't they?
[21:29] <penguin42> yofel: That coupled with kms has been a mess
[21:30] <SwedeMike> plymouth definitely was cracy, 9.10 and 10.04 was the worst alphas/betas since 8.10, but it seems to have been worked out, at least on the hw I'm running.
[21:30] <yofel> that's exactly what I mean...
[21:30] <penguin42> still, with a fs change it might be ok because people will actually do testing in VMs, where as VMs weren't really helping with all the KMS problems
[21:31] <mrsun_> having like 40 - 60% wa in top when disk io .. that cant be right? :/
[21:31] <penguin42> mrsun_: wa is OK
[21:31] <mrsun_> hell even the text when pasting that was delayed 2 seconds before it was sent from the text frame to the text window :/
[21:31] <yofel> why not? it means the cpu is waiting for data and the HDD isn't fast enough
[21:32] <penguin42> mrsun_: If it's waiting for disk thats perfectly reasonable
[21:32] <arand> Hmm, I don't think mountall/plymouth was particularly fine on release... But then, I'm following a few major bugs (-proposed atm)
[21:32] <Volkodav> HDD is never fast enough lol
[21:32] <penguin42> but it shouldn't be stopping you paste something for 2s
[21:32] <yofel> which is pretty usual
[21:32] <mrsun_> penguin42, no :/
[21:32] <mrsun_> alwast not on a freakin quadcorer
[21:32] <mrsun_> sure on a single core cpu where everything depends on that core
[21:32] <mrsun_> and hell ubuntu is gulphing up ram also :/
[21:32] <yofel> quadcore has nothing to do with HDD I/O speed
[21:32] <penguin42> mrsun_: Even in a single - if it's waiting for the disk it's not helping
[21:33] <mrsun_> 2gb of ram, cante ven open firefox before it starts paging to disk like crazy
[21:33] <jpds> mrsun_: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[21:33] <penguin42> it shouldn't be paging heavily at 2gb
[21:34] <mrsun_> hell it worked better before i enabled a page partition
[21:34] <mrsun_> then everything was fast always
[21:34] <mrsun_> now its grinding to a halt as soon as it starts paging
[21:34] <yofel> mrsun_: I have 2gb RAM here, and I can live without swap [open: firefox with 30tabs, thunderbird, quassel, choqok, and the rest of KDE]
[21:34] <SwedeMike> mrsun_: you could try http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000
[21:35] <penguin42> mrsun_: I'd run vmstat 5   and watch the rate of swap in /out  and get the thing quiet and try a hdparm -tT to see read rate
[21:35] <mrsun_> tried setting down swappiness to something low before, worked fine for a while until i was in a cirital moment in a game
[21:35] <mrsun_> then BLAM the disk started swapping and wasnt done until 10 minutes later
[21:35] <mrsun_> i was disconnected from the game and had to wait, couldnt do anything
[21:35] <mrsun_> os just stood still while it was paging
[21:35] <SwedeMike> penguin42: I prefer iostat -x 5 to see drive io
[21:36] <yofel> hm, iostat is nice, didn't know that one yet
[21:42] <mrsun_> turned swap off, in vmstat is the "cache" the "free" ram i have?
[21:43] <yofel> no, cache is cache, just use 'free' to see how much ram you actually have left (the +/- buffers cache numbers)
[21:48] <SwedeMike> mrsun_: did you even read that link you were sent?
[21:49] <mrsun_> SwedeMike, well its alot of text and i wont read the whole damn page, so as far as i can figure its about swapiness?
[21:49] <mrsun_> and if it is it doesnt help me at all with my os grinding to a halt as soon as something touches the disk
[21:49] <SwedeMike> mrsun_: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ is the one I'm talking about.
[21:49] <mrsun_> ahh there
[22:55] <Martiini> What dimension do we , humans on earth, exist in ??
[22:56] <guntbert> !ot | Martiini
[22:57] <Martiini> what is the current development version of Ubuntu ?
[22:57] <yofel> !topic