[17:19] <tarball> pavlos, it is here: paste.ubuntu.com/23967872
[17:19] <mike5> impaktor?
[17:19] <mike5> are you there?
[17:20] <pavlos> tarball, using fdisk again, you can delete partition 1 and write changes to disk, then fdisk again should not list any partitions
[17:22] <tarball> pavlos, I havent tried fdisk in deletion yet, hope it works this way
[17:22] <pavlos> tarball, m for help, d to delete partition, w to write changes
[17:23] <tarball> pavlos, the same after fdisk delete.
[17:24] <pavlos> tarball, so you d 1 w and still fdisk /dev/sdc shows a partition
[17:24] <tarball> yes
[17:25] <tarball> and even fdisk g (create new partition table) and n w ends up with same partition
[17:26] <pavlos> tarball, I noticed disklabel is gpt instead of dos
[17:27] <tarball> pavlos, yes, but it is the same with dos
[17:27] <pavlos> tarball, strange ...
[17:28] <raub> If I install ubuntu server and then install the dekstop meta package (apt-get install ubuntu-desktop), does it turn (USB) automount on?
[17:29] <pavlos> Southern_Gentlem, any ideas to help tarball ?
[17:30] <hanshenrik> raub, you're not seriously gonna install a full desktop cus you want automount, r u?
[17:31] <raub> hanshenrik: I actually would rather not have automount. I am just curious if it turns it on
[17:31] <hanshenrik> ohk
[17:31] <hanshenrik> (idk, but my guess is yes)
[17:31] <raub> In fact, my other question is how to turn that off
[17:32] <erle-> my ubuntu EFI entry is missing (efibootmgr does not show it) after my Mac was repaired by the Apple Store
[17:32] <erle-> any ideas on how to restore?
[17:32] <hanshenrik> raub, idk, but i think this site explains how to turn it on/off https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[17:32] <erle-> (I dont have rEFInd or anything like that, just plain grubx64.efi)
[17:32] <hanshenrik> erle-, grub-install ?
[17:32] <hanshenrik> idk
[17:33] <raub> hanshenrik: you type faster than me. I was going to put that url and say I still did not understand how to turn that off after reading it
[17:34] <Southern_Gentlem> pavlos, nope
[17:34] <Southern_Gentlem> other than try it from a live
[17:34] <raub> erle-: when I di dinstall ubuntu in a MBP a while ago, Ijust wiped the HD and the install did the rest. Do you mean tha tyou do not want to lose the data?
[17:35] <erle-> raub, I am not reinstalling anything
[17:35] <erle-> it is installed for a long time
[17:36] <raub> erle-: Just want to make sure that "sending to apple store for repair" != they wiped the drive
[17:36] <pavlos> tarball, I plugged in another drive (sdb), did the same steps, deleted part, recreated part. Dont know what's going on with your setup
[17:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[17:39] <tarball> pavlos, maybe it is my disk. I wrote about it at the beginning that I had problems earlier today. ubuntu 15.10. was installed on it before, and it had problems like shutting down randomly or or desktop disappearing likewise. then I found in the logs that the problem was thermal limit reached so the pc shut itself down. since I never get the problem with the hdd of the computer, I suspected the disk
[17:40] <pavlos> tarball, if you have gui, the disks utility could run smartctl on it and you can see if temp is an issue
[17:40] <tarball> but the long smart test was completed without errors. however, when I wanted to see smarttest details, I got an output with 'not found's 'not enabled's etc, at the end saying 'maybe add --T permissions'..which I did, but still the same output
[17:40] <k1l_> raub: gvfs is handling automount on ubuntu
[17:41] <dorkmafia> anyone want to buy an hp z820
[17:41] <tarball> so I am trying to figure if I can safely use the disk, and now it is this problem with partitions
[17:42] <pavlos> tarball, sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdc will list some data, see ID 190
[17:42] <ilyaigpetrov> what was the last DE that joined ubuntu officially?
[17:42] <ilyaigpetrov> it was in the news
[17:42] <ilyaigpetrov> quite old
[17:43] <ilyaigpetrov> budgie!
[17:43] <ilyaigpetrov> thanks
[17:43] <k1l_> budgie is not old, its quite new, iirc
[17:44] <ilyaigpetrov> k1l_: the news is old
[17:44] <pavlos> tarball, look for, [17:44] <k1l_> ilyaigpetrov: yes
[17:44] <tarball> pavlos, just rebooting, and then I will proceed
[17:45] <pavlos> tarball, ok, send a pastebin of sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdc to take a look
[17:46] <ilyaigpetrov> why Gnome DE family is usually preferred over KDE while KDE doesn't look so bad?
[17:47] <k1l> ilyaigpetrov: stableness, configuration, distributing issues,...  not only taste is a factor for a distribution to decide which desktop to use.
[17:48] <raub> So, USB automount is being done by Nautilus itself?
[17:49] <k1l> raub: by gvfs
[17:49] <tgm4883> I'm not sure I'd say "Gnome DE" is preferred...
[17:49] <raub> ilyaigpetrov: I would also think there are more people supporting GDE than KDE
[17:50] <raub> tgm4883: I being one who is tired of GDE. Running now lxde on my work computer. Would love to start it on boot without requiring more lard
[17:50] <raub> k1l: thanks!
[17:51] <tgm4883> raub: I'm just thinking that Unity would be preferred, and while it runs on gnome stuff now isn't Unity 8 Qt based?
[17:53] <raub> tgm4883: What I know is canonical likes Unity. That does not make it better, jus that they have their reasons
[17:53] <tarball> pavlos, yes, it says PASSED
[17:53] <kierqueen> can i install a stop watch or something to measure tiime ?
[17:53] <kierqueen> I need it guys ?
[17:54] <kierqueen> anyone knows ?
[17:54] <CrazySane> just a stopwatch application?
[17:54] <pavlos> tarball, can you send the pastebin?
[17:54] <raub> or measuring time for some program to do its thing?
[17:55] <CrazyTux> how 16.10 is different from 16.04?
[17:55] <energizer> Anyone ever seen this before? My desktop background looks like this instead of the image I set it to. https://imgur.com/a/VOQWH
[17:55] <k1l> energizer: video driver issue
[17:55] <CrazySane> kierqueen, Would this do the trick: http://www.online-stopwatch.com/
[17:55] <k1l> CrazySane: new kernel, new packageversions
[17:55] <energizer> k1l: using nvidia-378, do i have any options?
[17:55] <CrazySane> wrong tag.
[17:56] <tarball> pavlos, here it is: paste.ubuntu.com/23968079
[17:56] <k1l> kierqueen: install "stopwatch"?
[17:56] <ash_workz> any ideas on why I get a warning when using pg_ctlcluster? Warning: the cluster will not be running as a systemd service. Consider using systemctl
[17:56] <k1l> energizer: what video card? where did you get that driver from?
[17:57] <pavlos> tarball, disk looks ok, I dont see issues
[17:57] <tarball> pavlos, yours has been the right command, today k1l_ had asked me why I used the -d option. the reason was that I thought I had SATA disk, so I'd need to use the last option in the 'Results' section here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools
[17:57] <CrazySane> haha. k1l, I should have known there was a package litterally called stopwatch.
[17:58] <energizer> k1l: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM204 [GeForce GTX 970] (rev a1), what do you mean where did i get driver from
[17:58] <tarball> after which I couldnt get details as I did npw
[17:58] <tarball> now*
[17:59] <CrazyTux> is there any GTD package available in Ubuntu/Xubuntu software centre? any app for pomodoro technique?
[18:00] <tarball> pavlos, all 'value' entries seem above the threshold or equal to the worst..doesn't that show something that fails?
[18:00] <manga> polaram
[18:01] <pavlos> tarball, the last col, RAW is the actual value
[18:01] <k1l> energizer: what was wrong with the ubuntu package?
[18:01] <pavlos> tarball, disk temp is 29 degrees
[18:02] <energizer> k1l: which ubuntu package
[18:02] <k1l> energizer: the driver
[18:02] <k1l> !info nvidia-378
[18:02] <k1l> energizer: you isntallled a non ubuntu driver and now its broken.
[18:03] <tarball> pavlos, so why should I think these strange things happened today with the shutdowns or the partitions resurrecting? :)
[18:03] <CrazySane> k1l, energizer: I've struggled with my propriortary nvidia drivers ll.
[18:03] <energizer> k1l: ok how do i install the driver i should have instead
[18:04] <k1l> energizer: that is why i asked what driver did you install and where did you get it from
[18:04] <pavlos> tarball, that I dont know. As I said earlier, strange that gparted re-creates partition
[18:05] <tarball> pavlos, I didnt even use gparted, I used fdisk command
[18:05] <k1l> energizer: first you need to remove the broken driver. but how to do that depends on how you installed it.
[18:05] <energizer> k1l: i got it from an apt pp
[18:05] <energizer> a
[18:05] <pavlos> tarball, either ... I use gparted, easy on the visual but on servers I use fdisk
[18:05] <k1l> energizer: then use ppa-purge
[18:06] <tgm4883> energizer: which ppa
[18:06] <ash_workz> pg_ctlcluster yields a WARNING about using systemd; I was told that if postgresql-common was installed correctly, I shouldn't be getting that warning...
[18:07] <energizer> tgm4883: graphics-drivers
[18:07] <energizer> k1l: ok purged, what next
[18:07] <ash_workz> can anyone confirm that?
[18:07] <ash_workz> oh wait... I can!
[18:08] <tgm4883> k1l: isn't that a supported ppa?
[18:08] <k1l> energizer: make sure you purge all nvidia related stuff: sudo apt purge nvidia*
[18:08] <k1l> tgm4883: "supported"? the 900 nvidia work fine with the drivers in the repos
[18:08] <CrazySane> "supported" is the right way to say that.
[18:08] <tarball> pavlos, I've just tried gparted, too. I select the partition as 'unformatted', yet it ends up being created formatted.
[18:09] <energizer> k1l: ok purged
[18:09] <energizer> what next
[18:09] <k1l> energizer: after that load the nvidia driver frome the repos. the version depends on your ubuntu version
[18:09] <energizer> k1l: 16.10
[18:10] <k1l> energizer: sudo apt install nvidia-367
[18:10] <tgm4883> CrazySane: no reason for "supported" it either is or it isn't
[18:10] <pavlos> tarball, any chance you can take a screenshot and upload to imgur.com
[18:10] <tgm4883> k1l: ok, I just thought that PPA was one of the blessed ones for support in this channel
[18:11] <k1l> tgm4883: its the other way around: if the driver in the repos doesnt work/is too old/is broken for that card, then you can try the ppa.
[18:11] <k1l> not: use the ppa in first place
[18:11] <tgm4883> k1l: fair enough
[18:11] <CrazySane> tgm4883, that may be true on paper, but I struggled for 18 months before the bugs were worked out to where my windows would draw without black squares developing everywhere. Fixed eventually.
[18:12] <energizer> k1l: installed, whats next
[18:12] <tgm4883> CrazySane: um, not sure what that has to do with whether we're supporting that PPA in this channel or not
[18:12] <k1l> energizer: relogin
[18:13] <CrazySane> It doesn't. I think we got our messages crossed, tgm4883
[18:13] <energizer> brb
[18:13] <tgm4883> CrazySane: :)
[18:13] <brunch875> I was about to suggest rebooting, but then I realized this isn't windows
[18:14] <amnix> hi
[18:14] <amnix> my wifi works fine when i run ubuntu live but once it gets installed it's super slow. how can i get this fixed?
[18:14] <CrazySane> amnix, are you saying the data rate is slow?
[18:15] <amnix> CrazySane: yes the internet speed.
[18:15] <amnix> CrazySane: It's fine when running ubuntu live.
[18:15] <tarball> pavlos, screenshot of gparted?
[18:15] <CrazySane> amnix, and what are you using to test this theory?
[18:15] <tfj> JOIN
[18:16] <ash_workz> weird; when I use pg_ctlcluster, it warns me to use systemd, and when I use systemd, it encounters an error and claims the cluster is already running, but pg_lsclusters reports that cluster as down
[18:16] <pavlos> tarball, yes, start gparted, select your device, it will show the partition, click on screenshot, give it 2 sec, it will save a image, upload that
[18:16] <amnix> everythings loading really slow and ive tested the speeds on speedtest.net
[18:16] <dorkmafia> k1l: do you know how I can capture the log output from the installer?
[18:16] <amnix> on live ubuntu, the speeds > 20
[18:16] <energizer> k1l: problem is fixed
[18:16] <energizer> thank you
[18:17] <amnix> when installed its < 2
[18:17] <k1l> energizer: keep in mind not always to go for the latest and greatest from 3rd party repos :)
[18:17] <energizer> k1l: lesson learned
[18:18] <dorkmafia> is there a support number for ubuntu I could call? I would glady donate some money if I could get linux installed on this beast
[18:19] <CrazySane> amnix, what version of ubuntu are you running?
[18:19] <amnix> 16.04
[18:19] <tarball> pavlos, here it is; https://is.gd/RWrpza
[18:19] <ash_workz> there is apparently someone in #postgresql whom uses pg_ctlcluster "all the time" and doesn't receive a warning
[18:20] <ash_workz> my local system does though
[18:20] <ash_workz> and systemd throws an error
[18:20] <pavlos> tarball, I thought your disk is sdc
[18:21] <tarball> pavlos, after reboot it is now sdb
[18:21] <CrazySane> amnix, whats the output of "lshw -class network"
[18:22] <pavlos> tarball, oh, select the 30GB, right click delete
[18:22] <nedstark> dorkmafia: unfortunately, canonical doesn't offer paid ubuntu phone support for anyone with less than 50 computers anymore.  you can get professional support for a single suse linux enterprise desktop for $120 per year https://www.suse.com/products/desktop/how-to-buy/
[18:23] <tarball> pavlos, ok, deleted
[18:24] <pavlos> tarball, it should show all disk as unallocated
[18:25] <tarball> pavlos, yes, it is all unallocated
[18:25] <amnix> CrazySane: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23968270/
[18:25] <pavlos> tarball, select the unallocated partition, right click new
[18:25] <tarball> pavlos, yes
[18:26] <pavlos> tarball, filesystem ext4, click add
[18:26] <Southern_Gentlem> and you are running gpartd as sudo?
[18:26] <pavlos> tarball, it should show new partion #1, ext4
[18:27] <CrazySane> amnix, This looks relivant to you even though it's 14.04. Same driver, same symptom. https://askubuntu.com/questions/457986/very-slow-intermittent-wifi-speeds-with-14-04-and-intel-pro-wireless-5100-agn
[18:27] <tarball> pavlos, done
[18:27] <tarball> yes
[18:27] <tarball> Southern_Gentlem, yes
[18:27] <pavlos> tarball, click apply (bottom left should read 0 operations pending
[18:28] <tarball> pavlos, yes
[18:28] <tarball> created partition
[18:28] <pavlos> can you take another screenshot
[18:28] <tarball> sure
[18:29] <CrazySane> amnix, One person there talks about 'updating' a kernel, but that are talking about an old one, so I'd ignore that answer.
[18:30] <tarball> pavlos, here it is; https://is.gd/UA6F8n
[18:30] <amnix> CrazySane: btw, i have this problem in other distros too.
[18:31] <pavlos> tarball, that looks good, right click check, apply, should be no errors
[18:31] <CrazySane> amnix, from what Google tells me with the query "wireless traffic slower on installed ubuntu" this particular driver/hw has this problem.
[18:31] <tarball> pavlos, is this the gui way of fsck?
[18:32] <tarball> pavlos, yes, no errors
[18:32] <pavlos> tarball, yes, if you click on details, you see the command
[18:32] <Erix> hi
[18:33] <pavlos> tarball, to me your disk should be fine.
[18:33] <pavlos> tarball, get out of gparted and use your disk
[18:33] <Ragametal_> so, i have a question with regards to the packages installed via apt-get install
[18:34] <CrazySane> !info firmware-iwlwifi
[18:34] <digbychicken> Ragametal_, shoot!
[18:34] <Ragametal_> according to packages.ubuntu.com, there are several versions of the package hdhomerun-config
[18:34] <Ragametal_> I’m currently running Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. If I run apt-get install hdhomerun, which package version would be installed? The one listed on the Ubuntu webpage for trusty (20140121-1)? Or will it try to install the latest version listed for zesty (20161117-2)?
[18:34] <Ragametal_> if i wanted the latest package version, would i be better of compiling the package directly from the source?
[18:34] <nacc> Ragametal_: trusty, of course.
[18:35] <nacc> Ragametal_: you don't want to mix & match releases
[18:35] <k1l> Ragametal_: you cant mix the ubuntu releases. you need to use the one  for your release in use
[18:35] <k1l> Ragametal_: if you want a more recent one then look out for a 3rd aprty repos (like PPA) or compile yourself
[18:35] <Quetzalcoatl> hi. i'm receiving this error when I try to connect to an irc channel: Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[18:35] <tarball> pavlos, I see. the only other thing that comes to mind is the casing of the external drive. maybe a loose connection with the disk..dont know whether it causes heating up or other problems..
[18:36] <CrazySane> Ragametal_, It's like trying to put a 2017 engine inside a 1960's automobile.. you might get it to fit, but it likely won't work right.
[18:36] <nacc> !register | Quetzalcoatl
[18:36] <tarball> today k1l_ had asked me first if I had a loose cable
[18:36] <Ragametal_> hmmm, i understand your point and i agree with it. however, i'm concerned that the additional improved functions are only available in the latest versions of the package
[18:36] <zeeb> hello all! I have recently started to get an error during boot after installing 16.10 - "Unable to parse from PCCI subspaces"; on digging online i found out that there may be some problems with grub, is it advisable for me to use Boot-Repair ?
[18:36] <Ragametal_> specially since the source is being distributed directly by the manufacturer (ie. silicondust)
[18:36] <CrazySane> Ragametal_, that's likely.
[18:36] <k1l> Ragametal_: did you try the version ubuntu ships  first?
[18:37] <nacc> !latest | Ragametal_
[18:37] <Ragametal_> no i haven't yet
[18:38] <Ragametal_> i will try the package version that ubuntu ships and see what happens. I guess that i'm overthinking things again
[18:39] <CrazySane> Ragametal_, just curious, why are you staying on 14?
[18:39] <ByteMore> Ragametal_: Test it with that older version, not much has happend to the old hdhomerun driver.
[18:39] <Ragametal_> it's a headless home server which have been running versy stable for some years now
[18:40] <CrazySane> I may be biased, but 16.04 is pretty stable. ;)
[18:41] <Ragametal_> that may be true but upgrading means disabling the server for some time (i don't have that much free time anymore) which will disrupt the normal use of the network from my wife
[18:41] <tarball> pavlos, anyway, using the disk..thank you so very much for helping me!
[18:41] <Ragametal_> as you know, happy wife, happy life
[18:41] <CrazySane> Ragametal_, only a few hours.
[18:42] <dork> and it's only going to be intrusive if it has to bounce a service or if you bounce the machine
[18:42] <pavlos> tarball, np
[18:42]  * CrazySane nods
[18:42] <dork> the upgrading process is fairly unintrusive until you bounce
[18:42] <Ragametal_> you guys are a bad influence
[18:42] <kierqueen> hi
[18:42] <Ragametal_> i'm almost convinced :P
[18:42] <kierqueen> Are there any free speed reading softwares , for adults ?
[18:43] <CrazySane> Ragametal_,   sudo do-release-upgrade    you know you want to. XD
[18:44] <donofrio> anyone here useing vmware air-watch, seems like the #vmware folks are not corp people, anyways where I work tehy will be enforing NAC for wireless (wired already locked down) and without an MDM agent I'll be locked out of any network access on my box ;(
[18:45] <Ragametal_> honestly, i build the server to learn linux. I've never done an upgrade and i'm afraid that some of the installed softwares will be broken by the upgrade or will not be compatible with the newer version
[18:45] <dork> it's probably just 802.1x
[18:45] <dork> Ragametal_: build your target version from source then
[18:45] <Ragametal_> translation, i'm not an expert on ubuntu or linux
[18:45] <dork> most ubuntu users aren't
[18:46] <kierqueen> Are there any softwares for speed reading ?
[18:46] <w9qbj> neither are Windoze users
[18:46] <kierqueen> They should be free
[18:46] <kierqueen> Are there any channels for these types of stufff
[18:47] <dork> speed reading == video tutorials
[18:47] <dork> what is speed reading?
[18:47] <Ragametal_> guys, thank you for the clarification. I will try the version that ships with ubuntu. If that doesn't work i wil try to compile from source. If that doesn't work, then i will upgrade
[18:48] <CrazySane> Ragametal_, I can't say I agree with your order of operations there, but good luck!
[18:48] <dork> the order's fine, it depends on the concerns of the user
[18:48] <dork> s/user/operator
[18:49] <CrazySane> dork, agreed. for that user.
[18:50] <wildlander> when is ubuntu 16.04.2 releasing?
[18:51] <CrazySane> wildlander, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[18:52] <wildlander> CrazySane, yeah that is yesterday date. But it is not released yet :)
[18:52] <CrazySane> wildlander, I guess I can respect your anticipation.
[18:52] <CrazySane> it's only been a day. XD
[18:53] <tarball> pavlos, I just found out that, while creating partition in gparted, the file system is selected as 'cleared' then the partition emerges as 'unknown' without having any fs
[18:53] <nicomachus> wildlander: sign up for the newsletter and you'll get emails when releases are out.
[18:53] <tarball> if the file system is selected*
[18:53] <dork> partitioning != applying a filesystem
[18:54] <wildlander> ok nicomachus
[18:54] <CrazySane> I love dork's method of using boolean math to explain concepts. It's the geek version of cavemen grunting.
[18:54] <k1l> wildlander: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2017-February/004030.html
[18:55] <dork> hah
[18:56] <pavlos> tarball, so you deleted all partitions, selected new and the filesystem dropbox is empty?
[18:57] <j4ckcom> if i use ubuntu on 128G hdd, then it is wasting storage?
[18:57] <tarball> pavlos, no, starting from the unallocated partition as you saw, I created the new partition, and while doing it, selected the 'cleared' fs option in gparted.
[18:57] <k1l> j4ckcom: i dont understand the question.
[18:57] <wildlander> k1l, that is more acurate, thanks.
[18:57] <k1l> wildlander: since there was no new mail i guess monday it is
[18:58] <pavlos> tarball, I did the same thing, then selected format to ntfs and apply (or ext4 and apply)
[18:58] <j4ckcom> k1l: if use ubuntu on 128G hard disk, then it is wasting hard disk?
[18:58] <kaynemo> hello all
[18:58] <kaynemo> anyone can help with powerpc running ubuntu 16.04?
[18:58] <CrazySane> !ask | kaynemo
[18:58] <Night_> stop spamming j4ckcom
[18:58] <j4ckcom> ok
[18:58] <k1l> j4ckcom: i dont understand what that has to do with waisting hard disk. you can install it on 10GB or 10TB disks. its about how much you want to insatll or safe there.
[18:59] <wildlander> k1l, yeah good to know, thanks again.
[18:59] <j4ckcom> k1l: thanks
[18:59] <k1l> kaynemo: does 16.04 support powerpc at all? i recall they dropped powerpc sometime
[18:59] <kaynemo> Ooops, sorry ! Here is the question: got 16.04 running with mate desktop on powerpc mac G5, booting with yaboot. I want it to boot straight to shell without gui. Is it possible to do so?
[18:59] <j4ckcom> 😀
[19:00] <kaynemo> yes powerpc runs ubuntu 16.04
[19:00] <Night_> How does this look as a configure ? https://paste.ngx.cc/95 Am I missing anything?
[19:00] <k1l> kaynemo: yes,  you need to add to grub that it needs to boot to multiuser.target
[19:01] <tarball> pavlos, yes, I just wanted to have the partitions 'unknown
[19:01] <tarball> hence different from their former formats
[19:01] <tarball> that was finally possible with 'cleared' option
[19:01] <kaynemo> k1l - the problem is there is no grub only yaboot
[19:01] <k1l> kaynemo: well, change the kernel line in yaboot then
[19:01] <tarball> pavlos, so maybe this option clears cache or like
[19:02] <kaynemo> k1l: could you be more specific?
[19:02] <pavlos> tarball, maybe ... I format mine as ext4 and use it
[19:03] <CrazySane> k1l, looks like this question explains it? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/58099/configuring-yaboot-and-debian-to-boot-into-a-command-line-login-shell
[19:03] <EriC^^> kaynemo: type sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[19:03] <dork> clearing is tear down of any fs structures in place, unformatted is exactly that, untouched.
[19:03] <CrazySane> I've never used yaboot?
[19:03] <k1l> kaynemo: ok, seems like you can directly tell systemd to do that: sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target
[19:03] <kaynemo> EriC^^: there is no grub
[19:04] <EriC^^> kaynemo: what do you mean? O.o
[19:04] <kaynemo> EriC^^: powerpc by default boots from yaboot
[19:04] <kaynemo> k1l: this systemd will force the system to start in shell?
[19:05] <k1l> yes
[19:05] <EriC^^> kaynemo: can you edit its config file?
[19:05] <kaynemo> EriC^^: if i can find it )))
[19:05] <jessec> Are processes started by systemd defaulted to root level permissions on the system?
[19:05] <EriC^^> kaynemo: try what k1l said
[19:06] <EriC^^> jessec: yes
[19:06] <k1l> jessec: no, that is told in the systemd process unit file as what user with what permissions it runs.
[19:06] <kaynemo> k1l: anyway to revert that systemd command if thigs go bad?
[19:07] <jessec> what about the sysv scripts in /etc/init.d it picks up? if there's no user, the default would be root eh?
[19:07] <k1l> kaynemo: sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target
[19:07] <EriC^^> jessec: by default its root
[19:07] <kaynemo> k1l: thank you very much ! if it fails, I'll return ))
[19:08] <k1l> jessec: yes
[19:08] <jessec> got it, this would be the same with older systems that use upstart and sysv as well for the most part right?
[19:09] <k1l> jessec: it was the same before
[19:09] <DosTuMai> Stupid question! I'm looking for a decent VM for a server. Any ideas?
[19:09] <jessec> thanks
[19:09] <CrazySane> !info libvirt
[19:09] <k1l> DosTuMai: can you elaborate?
[19:10] <k1l> DosTuMai: i would look at containers like lxc/lxd tbh
[19:10] <dork> i wouldn't
[19:10] <dork> depends on the usage
[19:10] <dork> but typically i'd go kvm/libvirt
[19:10] <oh_> hi
[19:10] <CrazySane> ditto on libvirt
[19:10] <dork> DosTuMai: what's the usage/scope of the project?
[19:10] <CrazySane> That's what I use in my environment
[19:11] <DosTuMai> Just virtualisation tasks.
[19:11] <kaynemo> k1l: thank you, man !! it worked perfectly !
[19:13] <oh_> where can i get this file 'abstractions/mysql'?
[19:13] <oh_> my ubuntu is 16.04
[19:14] <oh_> mysql 5.7
[19:14] <CrazySane> oh_, apparmor problem?
[19:14] <CrazySane> did you install mysql directly or using mysql-common mysql-server
[19:14] <oh_> it will create that file?
[19:14] <k1l> oh_: can you give more context? show errormessages on paste.ubuntu.com and link that here
[19:14] <oh_> apt-get install mysql-server
[19:15] <CrazySane> is mysql-common installed too?
[19:15] <oh_> don't know new to ubuntu
[19:15] <oh_> so don't know cmd
[19:15] <CrazySane> looks like k1l has some steps for you, I'll leave them be.
[19:16] <dork> DosTuMai: i recommend libvirt and kvm with virt-manager for easy provisioning, if you're just dabbling on a testing environment or testing code locally you could use vagrant and libvirt/kvm or vagrant and virtualbox
[19:16] <CrazySane> oh_, What is the output of "sudo apt install mysql-common"
[19:17] <oh_> Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done mysql-common is already the newest version (5.7.17-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>). 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:17] <CrazySane> oh_, ok. Just making sure you got common too. I've run into that in the past.
[19:18] <oh_> i purge it before and deleted that 'abstractions/mysql' so now it does not exists
[19:19] <DosTuMai> Dork: Pretty much what we're thinking. Thanks. =]
[19:19] <CrazySane> oh_, how did you delete it?
[19:19] <oh_> rm -f
[19:19] <CrazySane> oh_, why?
[19:20] <oh_> i follow some cmd of solution
[19:20] <CrazySane> oh_, any data in this sql server that we're worried about?
[19:20] <oh_> when removing mysql
[19:20] <oh_> nope
[19:20] <oh_> firesh mysql
[19:20] <oh_> fresh server lol
[19:21] <oh_> that shitty mysql causing me headache
[19:21] <dork> mysql is good stuff
[19:21] <oh_> it didn't pick my root password
[19:21] <dork> it asked you what root pass you want when you installed it
[19:22] <CrazySane> OK. Anyone have any objections here. I'd say oh_ - remove apparmor, remove mysql, purge, and reinstall.
[19:22]  * dork scrolls up
[19:22] <oh_> so i follow uninstall stuff and that how i deleted 'abstractions/mysql'
[19:22] <CrazySane> !root
[19:22] <oh_> mysql root is correct but shitty mysql not pick it
[19:23] <\9> are you saying that you set a root password?
[19:23] <CrazySane> Ah. My bad, you're talking about the completely unrelated mysql root user
[19:23] <\9> oh derp
[19:23] <oh_> yes in installation it ask root password
[19:23] <oh_> 2nd step is secure installation
[19:23] <hanshenrik> CrazySane, i suspect that the password hash is just /dev/urandom'ed data, and thus there technically is a password.. but it'd be very expensive to find it
[19:23] <dork> alternatively you can start it in safe mode and set a new one
[19:23] <\9> yeah that's alright
[19:24] <dork> just reset it in safe mode.
[19:24] <dork> or purge/reinstall
[19:24] <dork> if we're talking about the mysql root cred
[19:24] <CrazySane> oh_, sudo apt remove apparmor mysql-common mysql-server
[19:24] <oh_> what about 'abstractions/mysql' file?
[19:24] <\9> hanshenrik: that would mean that in theory it could be possible to crack it.. doesn't seem likely to me
[19:24] <CrazySane> sudo apt install mysql-common mysql-server
[19:25] <Southern_Gentlem> oh https://www.howtoforge.com/reset-forgotten-mysql-root-password
[19:26] <nacc> oh_: abstractions/mysql is from the apparmor package
[19:26] <nacc> oh_: deleting it was a very wrong choice.
[19:26] <dork> only if you care about apparmor
[19:27] <oh_> have you have that file copy?
[19:27] <dork> otherwise it matters nothing.
[19:27] <oh_> yeah
[19:27] <nacc> dork: on Ubuntu, it matters, by default.
[19:27] <oh_> my mysql is fresh so no worry
[19:27] <dork> nacc: so you're saying if i delete that file, tear apparmor down completely, it will result in volatility?
[19:27] <oh_> but only root mysql password which not pick lol
[19:28] <nacc> dork: if you delete that file, it's relatively likely that MySQL will not run
[19:29] <dork> unless you put it in complain mode or TEAR APPARMOR DOWN
[19:29] <nacc> dork: there is no need to yell.
[19:29] <dork> as i said, it matters only if he cares about apparmor
[19:29] <CrazySane> dork, I'm getting the impression you hate apparmor?
[19:29] <nacc> dork: and as I said, that is the default.
[19:29] <dork> this is irc, to suggest i'm yelling is absurd.
[19:29] <nacc> dork: all caps is considered yelling
[19:29] <Southern_Gentlem> dork in irc caps is yelling
[19:29] <dork> CrazySane: no, just pointing out that this is probably not as big as a problem as 'we' are all making it out to be for this specific use case.
[19:30] <dork> i'm aware, it's still absurd. it's caps.
[19:30] <dork> he could probably set mysql for complain and will never have to think about it, and still have relative safety from apparmor
[19:32] <CrazySane> I'd say that it's easily fixed by purging and reinstalling the packages.
[19:32] <dork> he'll still end up putting it in complain mode down the road anyways, probably. but i agree that's also suitable.
[19:40] <dbristow> I see that 16.04.2 is due February 9th (yesterday), any news?  I don't see it yet.
[19:40] <wlp1s1> lol
[19:40] <dork> hah
[19:41] <HankMoody> Jesus I slept way later than I intended.
[19:42] <dax> dbristow: last i heard yesterday, the estimate was "theoretically could be Friday, more likely to be early next week"
[19:42] <CrazySane> Looking like Monday.
[19:42] <k1l> dbristow: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2017-February/004030.html
[19:43] <CrazySane> I was just scrolling back looking for that lonk
[19:43] <CrazySane> link
[19:45] <Goldman_> Hello everybody
[19:47] <CrazySane> Hi Goldman_ - did you have a question?
[19:48] <Goldman_> No CrazySane I'm just enjoing
[19:48] <Goldman_> enjoing having ubuntu
[19:54] <dhanesh> hey
[19:54] <DxB> hey
[19:54] <dhanesh> how are you
[19:55] <DxB> fine
[19:55] <dhanesh> any one here???
[19:55] <dhanesh> hello.........
[19:55] <dhanesh> okay...Byee
[19:55] <CrazySane> We're here
[19:57] <blocky> does anyone have an idea why my logitech K750 keyboard is generating events like XF86Back when I press the letter 'd' but most of the keys work correctly?
[20:08] <Night_> how do i remvoe old "tab" results, there is nginx and nginx.old there nwo bug no nginx is installed
[20:10] <CrazySane> Night: Perhaps someone else here understood your question, and they will respond, but until then - I don't understand what you're asking. Can you clarify?
[20:11] <Night_> CrazySane:  when i press write n in terminal and press tab, suggestions appare
[20:12] <Night_> there nginx and nginx.old coems up, I have done apt-get purge and autoremove
[20:12] <k1l> Night_: relogin
[20:12] <CrazySane> Night_: in your home folder?
[20:12] <Night_> CrazySane:  any folder
[20:12] <Night_> k1l:  2 sec
[20:13] <Night_> k1l: still there
[20:13] <k1l> is nginx still running?
[20:13] <Night_> cloed terminal and started itagain
[20:13] <Night_> should not be cant find it in ps
[20:14] <k1l> Night_: ". ~/.profile"
[20:15] <blocky> xev output of my strange keyboard issue here https://paste.linux.community/view/b706e0bd
[20:15] <k1l> Night_: but that will only work in the one terminal then. for system wide change you need to log out and login again from the desktop
[20:15] <Night_> ah from desktop
[20:15] <Night_> I have an vnc running
[20:15] <Night_> just monitoring av 10TB tranfsere
[20:16] <Night_> but that is running  from a screen so should not mather if i close it
[20:16] <Night_> looks like one nginx prosess is sitll running
[20:16] <Night_> root     19618  0.0  0.0  15756   960 pts/22   S+   21:16   0:00 grep --color=auto nginx
[20:17] <k1l> no, thats only the grep
[20:17] <Night_> yeah figured
[20:18] <Night_> so i have close also dekstop?
[20:18] <Night_> swiching over kvm now to logout
[20:18] <CrazySane> k1l: So what's the theory there? Path var?
[20:19] <Night_> k1l:  ill give a reboot a try once the transfere is done
[20:20] <k1l> the PATH variable is only loaded once. so programs loaded there will only be removed if the session is closed and loaded again
[20:20] <CrazySane> k1l: so, yes.
[20:20] <k1l> since you complain about programs beeing still in PATH you need to reload that.
[20:21] <Night_> k1l:  yeah, I'm trying to build nginx from soucne since i wwant an other module.
[20:21] <Night_> worked find on dev platfrom, but when i tried on prod it failed
[20:22] <xrandr> and all of a sudden, Quassel works
[20:22] <compdoc> yw
[20:24] <DWSR> anyone know if it's possible to emulate the effects of the `toram` boot option while Ubuntu is at desktop?
[20:25] <CrazySane> DWSR: which effects?
[20:26] <EriC^^> CrazySane: he wants it all in the ram
[20:26] <DWSR> CrazySane: The one where the kernel and the entire squashfs file is loaded all into RAM so that I can unplug the USB stick I'm booted from
[20:26] <dork> DWSR: yes
[20:26] <royal_screwup21> How do I put videos on a loop on totem? Is there a terminal command for doing so?
[20:26] <dork> there are plenty of write-ups
[20:27] <DWSR> dork: I haven't seen one where it's been done while Ubuntu is at desktop.
[20:27] <DWSR> Though I might not be using the right search terms
[20:27] <dork> you're not
[20:28] <CrazySane> royal_screwup21: I don't see a command line option on the manpage.
[20:28] <DWSR> dork: Mind linking then? I've seen https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1594694 but that doesn't look quite right.
[20:29] <CrazySane> royal_screwup21: VLS has a command line option tho
[20:29] <royal_screwup21> CrazyEddy: Yeah, I didn't see one either. Is there a way to play a selected list of videos one after the other (without looping them)?
[20:29] <CrazySane> Er.. VLC, royal_screwup21
[20:29] <CrazySane> royal_screwup21: careful, another similar user here.
[20:30] <CrazySane> royal_screwup21: VLC has the -L switch you can use.
[20:31] <CrazySane> !info vlc > royal_screwup21
[20:31] <royal_screwup21> CrazySane my VLC isn't working - it's either not compatible with my system or there was some screw-up (LOL) in the installation process
[20:32] <CrazySane> royal_screwup21: Whee did you get your VLC package?
[20:32] <CrazySane> from apt?
[20:32] <royal_screwup21> yup, from apt
[20:32] <CrazySane> royal_screwup21: what specifically is wrong with your VLC?
[20:40] <CrazySane> join #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:40] <CrazySane> ugh
[20:47] <arooni> any way to map super + a => control a ?
[20:47] <arooni> on ubuntu 16.04
[20:50] <dork> arooni: ?
[20:51] <arooni> dork: i'm connected to my ubuntu laptop via synergy ; and for some silly reason control a on my keyboard gets mapped to super + a ( i use this for tmux) ... and id like it to work as i would want
[20:53] <CrazySane> arooni: I also use Synergy to connect 3 computers together, and I don't have that problem.
[20:54] <CrazySane> arooni: are you sure you don't want to try and figure out why Synergy is mapping incorrectly?
[20:57] <arooni> CrazySane: i did try that approach; but i think its because i'm using a microsoft scuplt keyboard on my mac mini (synergy server) and i did some mapping there already making caps lock = control to make tmux easier
[20:57] <arooni> i've honestly lost track of my mapping madness lol
[20:59] <CrazySane> arooni: I've never used tmux, I tend to use screen.
[20:59] <arooni> come to the dark side
[20:59] <arooni> you wont regret it
[21:02] <CrazySane> arooni: I'd say find a synergy irc channel and ask there. I wouldn't randomly map META+A to CTRL+A. See if you can get your Synergy working right.
[21:03] <arooni> fair enough
[21:03] <CrazySane> good luck!
[21:05] <kzet> I think I messed my Ubuntu installation up. I shrank about 20gb from my SSD that I have Windows 10 on. Then I just isntalled "alongside Windows 10", hoping Ubuntu would figure out by itself to install it in that particular partition. Which I think it did? But now like 4 days later, I'm having disk space issues. I'm new to Ubuntu, so what does this screen tell you?: http://i.imgur.com/vGufk3m.jpg
[21:08] <ppf> your linux partition is full
[21:09] <fuzzybear3965> My screen is black and I restarted lightdm.
[21:09] <fuzzybear3965> What's my next best line of attack?
[21:09] <fuzzybear3965> Ctrl+Alt+F1-6 does nothing.
[21:09] <k1l> kzet: run sudo apt autoremove
[21:10] <fuzzybear3965> kzet, `du -sh ~`.
[21:11] <ppf> fuzzybear3965: UI is on tty7
[21:11] <fuzzybear3965> ppf, yeah.
[21:11] <fuzzybear3965> Haha, I know that.
[21:11] <fuzzybear3965> I'm on TTY7, now.
[21:11] <fuzzybear3965> But, I'm just saying that, to go into "fix it" mode, TTY1-6 don't work.
[21:11] <fuzzybear3965> I'm SSHed in right now.
[21:13] <k1l> fuzzybear3965: did not boot up to the desktop or did it and did boot up properly before?
[21:13] <fuzzybear3965> k1l, I was in the desktop (everything working smoothly) and I tried to use Kodi.
[21:13] <arooni> is there a way to add a *second* shortcut (besides super) to get to the ubuntu's dashboard?
[21:13] <fuzzybear3965> I've been using Kodi for a while, now, and this happens frequently.
[21:14] <user__> hi
[21:14] <fuzzybear3965> When Kodi changes state (i.e. starts playing something or stops playing something) there's a 50/50 chance that that'll turn my screen black but leave the OS running.
[21:14] <fuzzybear3965> I haven't figured out a way to get the display back up and running, yet.
[21:15] <AlexPortable> I forgot my password, I have another account but it's not sudo. What can I more do?
[21:16] <AlexPortable> is it possible to recover the first letter of the password so I know which one it is ?
[21:16] <fuzzybear3965> AlexPortable, no.
[21:16] <wedgie> AlexPortable: no, but it is possible to reset the password with single user mode or a livecd
[21:16] <AlexPortable> single user mode?
[21:16] <wedgie> (this is more complicated if you have an encrypted home directory)
[21:17] <AlexPortable> i dont
[21:17] <AlexPortable> i can access my files
[21:17] <AlexPortable> but i would like to get into my account
[21:17] <MonkeyDust> AlexPortable  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[21:17] <AlexPortable> or at least get to know which password i set
[21:17] <k1l> !password | AlexPortable
[21:17] <AlexPortable> which way would you recommend?
[21:18] <k1l> AlexPortable: the password is not stored in plain text. so you need to set a new one
[21:18] <AlexPortable> k1l: 'standard way', 'other way'  or 'other way lucid' ?
[21:19] <MonkeyDust> AlexPortable  read the page, then use the way you want or looks easiest
[21:20] <k1l> AlexPortable: start with the standard way. it means you need to reboot into the recovery
[21:20] <kzet> k1l: what will autoremove do?
[21:21] <k1l> kzet: remove old kernels and packages that are marked as not needed anymore
[21:21] <kzet> fuzzybear3965: got a couple of "Permission denied" after typing du -sh ~. But the last line says "5,6G" on /home/kzet
[21:21] <kzet> k1l: alright, thanks! :)
[21:22] <k1l> kzet: i guess best is to reboot to a live ubuntu usb and look to resize the partitions. because that is a bit small now
[21:23] <kzet> yeah, I never thought I would use Ubuntu exclusively.
[21:23] <kzet> I haven't even installed anything on my Windows partition yet.
[21:23] <kzet> Not even sure why I have windows to begin with, I don't play games.
[21:24] <qmr> How do I install ubuntu server without creating a regular user?
[21:25] <qmr> forcing user to create an unneeded user account in the installer is retarded
[21:25] <jonii_> Hello. Ubuntu crashed on me, and upon restart, I get "no filesystem found"
[21:25] <k1l> qmr: its not "retarded". ubuntu is build around the usage of sudo
[21:25] <glache> How can I change the launcher so that it doesn't automatically scroll to the top?
[21:25] <qmr> jonii_:  sounds like your disk is hosed.  check smartctl
[21:26] <k1l> !sudo | qmr
[21:26] <jonii_> I can't really remember the exact way my filesystem is set up, I seem to have my main file system A-okay, but thereś suddenly 40gb of... space
[21:26] <qmr> k1l:  it is precisely that.  I will decide how to administer my network, thanks
[21:26] <qmr> yea I know what sudo is
[21:26] <jonii_> qmr, sorry, can you be a bit more specific?
[21:26] <jonii_> What do I do?
[21:27] <qmr> jonii_:  buy a new drive and restore from backup
[21:29] <jonii_> I don't have a backup
[21:30] <valenteen> Hola!
[21:31] <valenteen> Hey....Someone...lol...this is my 1st time in IRC, jusr thought i'd try it out.
[21:32] <valenteen> anyone got any advice and things i shoudl know and look out for?
[21:32] <valenteen> Or does this tend to jsut be tones of people quitting?
[21:33] <valenteen> ok so the reason I joing this channel is i've just loaded up wee through a basj sjell on Ubuntu and this seemed like a logical place to come. :p
[21:34] <nacc> valenteen: this is the ubuntu support channel, for helping with issues with Ubuntu. For general chitchat you should look to #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:35] <valenteen> ah ok, I was hoping for some help with weechat, general advice etc.
[21:35] <valenteen> but i take it this is just for hardcore break fix and issues?
[21:35] <glache> How can I change the launcher so that it doesn't automatically scroll to the top?
[21:35] <nacc> valenteen: that's not the purpose of this channel, you can try a weechat specific channel
[21:35] <nacc> !alis | valenteen
[21:35] <valenteen> k fanx
[21:35] <valenteen> bye
[21:40] <Satie> Can anyone help me to solve a request time-out error? I'm using Ubuntu 16.05
[21:40] <Satie> .04*
[21:40] <jonii_> Uh, so, rest of my partitions work just fine
[21:40] <jonii_> It's just that some random 40gb partition, whose purpose I can't really remember right now, is without file system, and my ext4 filesystem may or may not be affected
[21:41] <\9> !ask | Satie
[21:42] <vgoodguy> HI
[21:43] <Satie> But I asked the question
[21:43] <wedgie> Satie: then you're going to have to provide a lot more detail
[21:43] <jonii_> also, qmr, Smartctl seems to report my hard drive functions just fine, at least according to the short test
[21:43] <jonii_> So I'm not really convinced I'm in dire need of new hard drive, I just need to make my system bootable again with as little damage as possible
[21:44] <MonkeyDust> Satie  start from the begining, what's the context, what are you trying to do and wher/when does it go wrong
[21:44] <jonii_> So, starting up, I'm thrown to Grub_rescue, saying no filesystem is found
[21:44] <k1l> Satie: keep in mind we dont see what you see and dont know what you havent told or shown us. i dont know what your issue is at all
[21:45] <nacc> Satie: you get a timeout. Show us when (pastebin a command and all output, e.g.).
[21:45] <k1l> jonii_: boot a ubuntu usb and do fsck on the partitions
[21:45] <jonii_> k11, I'm on lubuntu usb right now
[21:46] <k1l> jonii_: sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:46] <bustle> im a linux beginner, looking to do dev work with php. Is there any disadvantage with using lubuntu instead of ubuntu for this?
[21:46] <k1l> jonii_: that will output an url , please show that here
[21:46] <wedgie> bustle: nope. Purely personal preference
[21:46] <bustle> wedgie: thanks
[21:46] <\9> bustle: the default desktop is the only difference
[21:47] <k1l> bustle: the main difference is the insatlled desktop. so the php version etc is the same
[21:48] <zuiss1> does anyone in here have minitube installed in 16.04? it seems broken. you can't search or play any youtube videos
[21:48] <jonii_> k11, this is what fsck says: http://pastebin.com/dcTGximA
[21:48] <k1l> jonii_: you dont fsck a whol disk
[21:49] <Satie> Hmm, the problem is that I haven't more details. I'm trying to access some websites but it gives 408 request timeout error. I'm grateful anyway.
[21:49] <jonii_> Okay
[21:49] <vfw> jonii_: fsdk partitions, like /dev/sda1 or 2 or...
[21:49] <k1l> jonii_: please show the output of my command
[21:50] <wedgie> Satie: sounds more like  problem with the site or your internet connection. Does every website do this or only one?
[21:50] <k1l> jonii_: for fsck you need to specify the partition. like sda1 or such
[21:50] <Satie> Almost every.
[21:50] <jonii_> So ext4 partition?
[21:50] <jonii_> There's some header partition that ext4 is in
[21:50] <k1l> jonii_: should we just guess?
[21:50] <jonii_> I don't really nuderstand
 jonii_: sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:52] <vfw> jonii_: Send us resulting URL so we can see.
[21:52] <jonii_> k1l: http://termbin.com/er08
[21:52] <glache> In Unity, how can I change the launcher so that it doesn't automatically scroll to the top?
[21:53] <vfw> jonii_: So you want to do /dev/sda6  Right?
[21:53] <jonii_> The 40gb partition is a mystery to me. I'm thinking it may very well have been junk space that sorta came about because I messed up trying to get rid of swap partition
[21:53] <k1l> jonii_: ok, so this is what you did before? change partitions?
[21:54] <jonii_> http://pastebin.com/Nx8K6nqf
[21:54] <jonii_> k1l: my computer crashed
[21:54] <jonii_> k1l: I was playing games, and listening to music on youtube. I hadn't touched my HDD settings in maybe a year or so
[21:55] <vfw> jonii_: Was it mounted when you tried to fsck it?
[21:56] <vfw> jonii_: (Never fsck a mounted partition.)
[21:57] <jonii_> I don't think it's mounted?
[21:58] <vfw> jonii_: mount | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:58] <jonii_> vfw: yeah, I don't really think it's mounted? Not 100% certain
[21:58] <nathdwek> Hey small but weird question, I have a bizarre issue with my name resolution in my local network
[21:58] <vfw> nathdwek: So what nameserver are you using?
[21:58] <jonii_> http://termbin.com/acss
[21:58] <nathdwek> I had a working ssh config, based around .local names, and it started acting up when I upgraded a machine from fedora22 to ubuntu16.10
[21:59] <nathdwek> so here's the weirdness, I have two 16.10 machines with almost identical config, on a local network
[21:59] <nathdwek> from machine A, I can ping B.local, B and B.lan do not work
[22:00] <vfw> nathdwek: Are you using IP addresses or hostnames?
[22:00] <nathdwek> from machine B, I can ping A.lan, A, but not A.local
[22:00] <nathdwek> where A and B are hostnames of course
[22:00] <vfw> nathdwek: All on the local network?
[22:00] <nathdwek> yup
[22:01] <ppf> got avahi running?
[22:01] <nathdwek> yes
[22:01] <ppf> that'll interfere with .local names
[22:02] <nathdwek> I got it running on both ends though...
[22:02] <blueking> currently formatting a 8TB hdd :)
[22:02] <ppf> cause windows networks are treating .local differently
[22:02] <blueking> default are 5% reserved for root ?
[22:02] <ppf> you can put avahi on a different domain, if you want
[22:02] <jonii_> vfw: well? I think it wasn't mounted
[22:03] <MonkeyDust> blueking  15-20GB shoul be eough for /
[22:03] <MonkeyDust> should*
[22:03] <ppf> or just don't use it for name resolution
[22:03] <vfw> nathdwek: nmap -sP your netwrok and take a look.
[22:03] <blueking> but it's default when format ext3 ?
[22:03] <vfw> nathdwek: nmap -sP <IP_ADDRESS>/24  (Example)
[22:04] <blueking> MonkeyDust is it default 5% ?
[22:04] <MonkeyDust> blueking  not sure
[22:05] <nathdwek> vfw well I got a normal output with .lan names
[22:06] <vfw> nathdwek: Is it all as you expected?
[22:06] <jonii_> Oh, also, I use Lubuntu. I don't know if it matters, but when opening gparted, gparted said "To view ext4 file systems you should install this package X"
[22:06] <vfw> nathdwek: If you can not ping the hostname, try the IP address.
[22:06] <nathdwek> yeah static works, I already checked that
[22:06] <jonii_> I'm not sure if that's actually the case, if that's just a symptom of file system being broken, or if lubuntu really lacks tools required to view ext4
[22:07] <vfw> nathdwek: So what is the problem?
[22:07] <jonii_> I don't typically use Lubuntu, I just happened to have Lubuntu USB stick near me
[22:07] <vfw> nathdwek: (not sure what you mean by "static".
[22:07] <nathdwek> as I said before, it's this weird thing where on the one side I should use .local names, and on the other .lan names
[22:07] <jonii_> Not sure what it has and doesn't have
[22:07] <nathdwek> or names with no "tld"
[22:08] <nathdwek> well hand assigning (or checking) an IP and pinging or sshing to it
[22:08] <Guest20220> i greet you my English is not too good but somehow l will try to describe it to you .. i have a problem with ubuntu server 16.04 router does not see a computer ive tried sudo service network-manager restart but does not work
[22:08] <vfw> nathdwek: Not sure what you mean by ".local" and ".lan"
[22:08] <blueking> just wonder if I can go below 1%
[22:08] <nathdwek> jesus
[22:08] <blueking> with tune2fs -m 0,1 as example
[22:08] <nathdwek> Ok assume machine 1 has hostname A and machine 2 has hostname B
[22:09] <nathdwek> from machine A, I can {ssh, ping} into machine B using either as an adress B.lan or B
[22:09] <vfw> nathdwek: Define "one side" and "other"
[22:09] <nathdwek> from machine B I can do it, but I have to use address A.local only
[22:10] <vfw> nathdwek: Too many hypotheticals.
[22:10] <nathdwek> those are not hypothetical, those are symptoms
[22:11] <nathdwek> I mean I can't make it any clearer than that really, I'm trying my best
[22:11] <vfw> nathdwek: So there are actual hostnames "machine B" and "A.local"?
[22:11] <nathdwek> ok my hostname are nathome and nathdwek-w740su, what good does that do to you
[22:13] <jonii_> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/114429/short-read-while-trying-to-open-partition
[22:13] <vfw> nmap -sP <IP_ADDRESS>/24 |nc termbin.com 9999
[22:13] <jonii_> I found this advice, and it sorta boils down to block size
[22:13] <jonii_> "Linux says block size is 512, but descriptor says it's 2048"
[22:13] <dork> what's the problem?
[22:13] <V7> hey all
[22:13]  * dork scrolls up lazily
[22:13] <vfw> nathdwek: Tell us which one you have a problem with and what the problem is.
[22:14] <ppf> nathdwek: he did
[22:14] <V7> I have issue with adding auto startup in ubuntu 14.05
[22:14] <V7> 14.04 *
[22:14] <k1l> jonii_: this message comes from the usb pendrive. when you dd an image with another block size to the usb. but that is not relevant to any other issue
[22:14] <Guest20220> i greet you my English is not too good but somehow l will try to describe it to you .. i have a problem with ubuntu server 16.04 router does not see a computer ive tried sudo service network-manager restart but does not work
[22:14] <ppf> nathdwek: can you try disabling avahi for a moment?
[22:14] <nathdwek> both sides?
[22:14] <ppf> in nsswitch, remove mdns_minimal
[22:15] <ppf> the side you're connecting from
[22:15] <xrandr> Guest20220: please explain a little more. Does the server control the internet connection? What do you mean that the router does not see a computer?
[22:16] <V7> So
[22:16] <V7> I've created this file http://termbin.com/tyvv
[22:16] <V7> In /etc/init.d folder
[22:16] <nathdwek> Maybe it is a network thing where it takes some seconds to propagate/run out ttl, but for now it behaves the same
[22:16] <V7> Then I've executed this sudo update-rc.d unrealircd enable
[22:16] <dork> it's not real dns
[22:16] <dork> so it's not a ttl thing
[22:16] <V7> I command returned this: https://hastebin.com/riboxebibo.sql
[22:16] <V7> What shuld I do :) ?
[22:16] <V7> should *
[22:17] <V7> Command *
[22:17] <blueking> what's diff on ext3 and ext4 ?
[22:17] <MonkeyDust> blueking  journalling
[22:17] <dork> ah guess it does
[22:17] <k1l> MonkeyDust: no, ext3 already got journaling
[22:17] <blueking> what's best for movies/media ?
[22:18] <k1l> blueking: i think support for ext is already dead
[22:18] <ppf> nathdwek: so you can ping A, but not A.local?
[22:18] <dork> k1l: better journaling
[22:18] <k1l> blueking: ext4 is fine for ubuntu
[22:18] <nathdwek> yes exactly
[22:18] <k1l> dork: well, yes :)
[22:18] <nathdwek> I know it is not a real issue in itself, but the assymetry is weird, and I'd prefer not to have two sets of ssh configs with different conventions
[22:20] <nathdwek> k1l: wait what?
[22:20] <k1l> nathdwek: what?
[22:20] <ppf> avahi sadly is .. strange
[22:20] <dork> bonjour is strange
[22:20] <nathdwek> support for ext is dead? I love btrfs and all, but that's a bit strong lol
[22:21] <dork> it's definitely not dead
[22:21] <dork> not even EOL
[22:21] <k1l> nathdwek: no, not ext.
[22:21] <k1l> nathdwek: ext3. there are still ext2 and ext4. the number has a meaning.
[22:21] <nacc> I think it was just a typo earlier
[22:21] <nathdwek> ah sorry must have misread
[22:22] <nathdwek> ah no actually a typo, ok np
[22:22] <ppf> dork: yes bonjour is strange, too
[22:23] <vfw> ext4 just has the journaling feature enabled
[22:23] <vfw> vs ext3 without
[22:23] <dork> and journaling improvements
[22:24] <vfw> I agree, it is an improvement
[22:24] <nathdwek> ok ppf, I maybe have an idea
[22:24] <ppf> let's hear it!
[22:24] <wallid> hey guys
[22:24] <nathdwek> the other place where this is really assymetrical, is the fact that nathome is a desktop with a static ip, and the other one is laptop on dhcp
[22:25] <dork> doesn't matter
[22:25] <nathdwek> I don't know how the knowledge of that would propagate upwards, but it is one of the point where the machines differ a lot
[22:25] <Guest20220> I installed Ubuntu 15.10 three days ago and all work happening with the internet ive downladed everything i wanted and installed today i got a message about a new version lve downladed and when internet does not have internet on ubuntu i change the drive for xp all works the problem is with the card ubuntu 16.04 and a problem with the wake up internet connection :)
[22:25] <nathdwek> dork: yeah thought so too, but http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/16890/how-to-make-a-machine-accessible-from-the-lan-using-its-hostname rang a bell
[22:25] <vfw> nathdwek: Use static IPs or static leases via router
[22:26] <nathdwek> yeah I could do that, it's just that it is sweeping the issue under the rug
[22:26] <dork> ^ not necessary, ut make sure you didn't create an ip conflict
[22:27] <vfw> nathdwek: It will solve the issue, (issue will go away).
[22:27] <dork> nathdwek: cat /etc/hosts and arp -a pastebin please
[22:27] <dork> i don't see how that will solve his issue
[22:27] <k1l> for the ones wondering about my statement about ext3: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/7/15/438  there was a patch to remove native ext3 support from the kernel since ext4 is the successor
[22:27] <ppf> vfw: no it won't really?
[22:28] <vfw> dork: Maybe I do not fully understand his issue?
[22:28] <dork> no it definitely won't
[22:28] <vfw> ppf: Not sure what he is trying to do.
[22:28] <ppf> vfw: the issue is pretty clear?
[22:28] <dork> unless his static'd host is using an IP that is part of his dhcp range and he created a conflict that's not it
[22:28] <vfw> ppf: So what is it?
[22:28] <ppf> trying to understand why avahi name lookup isn't successful
[22:28] <gianlu_ka> anybody italian???
[22:29] <ppf> !it | gianlu_ka
[22:29] <dork> #ubuntu-it probably
[22:29] <vfw> dork: Only set static IPs outside the dhcp pool
[22:29] <ppf> this isn't about IPs though
[22:29] <dork> vfw: i know this, but my point is your suggestion doesn't matter unless he is experiencing an ip conflict
[22:29] <nathdwek> ppf: read your request. I'm just tinkering around for a minute, will come back to you in 5 if possible
[22:29] <gianlu_ka> thanks
[22:29] <dork> avahi/bonjour is all multicast based.
[22:29] <nathdwek> ppf: and thanks a lot for the help
[22:30] <vfw> dork:  But we do not know if he is encountering an IP conflict
[22:30] <dork> true!
[22:30] <dork> nathdwek: sudo arp -a
[22:31] <nathdwek> yeah I don't have an IP conflict....
[22:31] <ppf> we do know
[22:31] <ppf> he said so
[22:31] <vfw> dork: Or  nmap -pS <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[22:31] <nathdwek> like I don't even know wtf you're thinking vfw
[22:31] <dork> vfw: wasteful
[22:31] <ppf> vfw: please
[22:31] <vfw> ok
[22:32] <dork> also people say a lot of things, that doesn't mean anything. especially in here.
[22:32] <dork> until i see a pastebin of what i've asked for
[22:33] <ppf> dork: he said name resolution without tld was successful
[22:33] <dork> which could easily be a host entry
[22:33] <dork> which is why i asked for a pastebin of /etc/hosts
[22:33] <nathdwek> dork: good point, but  it isn't, should have said so
[22:33] <dork> i'm aware of what he said and i'm aware of my qualifications.
[22:34] <nathdwek> I'm sorry to not give feedback sooner, I just tinkered with my router a bit and wait for everything to propagate
[22:34] <ppf> dork: i'm not criticising
[22:34] <dork> nathdwek: you said this was a fresh install and never worked?
[22:34] <dork> what's the history
[22:34] <nathdwek> there were some old static mappings left around, I doubt it would interact with this issue, but you never know
[22:34] <gianlu_ka> hello
[22:35] <dork> absolutely it would
[22:35] <dork> pastebin results of arp -a
[22:35] <nathdwek> dork: so previously it was a F22
[22:35] <ppf> and hosts and nsswitch, please
[22:35] <nathdwek> and I always used .local names
[22:35] <nathdwek> without asking questions
[22:35] <nathdwek> and it worked both ways
[22:36] <nathdwek> be back in a minute, have to get a fresh dhcp lease
[22:37] <dork> brb gonna test some stuff locally
[22:37] <nathdwek> quit
[22:37] <tobsterius> part
[22:39] <vfw> nathdwek may just need a better router.
[22:40] <dork> i bet it's layer 2-3 related
[22:40] <chucky> .
[22:40] <vfw> hard telling
[22:40] <chucky> hi
[22:41] <chucky> ?
[22:41] <dork> speak, charles.
[22:41] <vfw> I recommend mikrotik or buffalo
[22:41] <dork> routeros ftw, dd-wrt is eol right?
[22:42] <dork> i recommend building routers out of pure linux
[22:42] <vfw> yea dd-wrt
[22:42] <chucky> i knew someone's ip how can i hack him
[22:42] <dork> chucky: by typing /quit
[22:42] <chucky> or know more about him
[22:42] <OerHeks> chucky, silly question, wrong channel.
[22:42] <dork> ask him out on a nice lunch date
[22:42] <dork> if he pulls your seat out for you, he's a gentleman.
[22:43] <chucky> :(
[22:43] <chucky> i'm beginner :(
[22:43] <chucky> is there a channel for beginners
[22:43] <dork> your own, empty channel
[22:43] <chucky> :D
[22:44] <nacc> chucky: this can be a channel for beginners, but hacking is offtopic here.
[22:44] <chucky> how did u learn on linux
[22:44] <k1l> chucky: you wont find a channel here on freenode for that
[22:44] <nacc> chucky: you may want #ubuntu-offtopic (but hacking is also offtopic there, and generally on freenode)
[22:44] <MonkeyDust> chucky  learn linux like you learned windows or mac: by using it
[22:44] <chucky> :(
[22:44] <chucky> linux is harder
[22:45] <xrandr> chucky: do you have a specific question?
[22:45] <elias_a> Hacking offtopic=
[22:45] <elias_a> ?
[22:45] <kzet> How do I setup my unallocated drives in Ubuntu? I have install ubuntu, but I have two unallocated drives that I want to be accessible.
[22:45] <ppf> any idea whether there's chrome for armhf?
[22:45] <chucky> then this channel for what
[22:45] <MonkeyDust> chucky  type    /topic
[22:45] <genii> elias_a: Yes, it's offtopic for this channel.
[22:45] <k1l> kzet: drives or partitions?
[22:45] <elias_a> Or cracking?
[22:45] <kzet> k1l: two physical drives that are unallocated. one ssd and one hdd.
[22:46] <genii> elias_a: Correct.
[22:46] <krizoek> security is important, but i think cali linux seems more to be for the offensive
[22:46] <kzet> k1l: I tried using "disks", but I got an error while allocating the hdd.
[22:46] <dork> lol @ a topic being off topic in a channel named -offtopic
[22:46] <k1l> kzet: i prefer "gparted"
[22:47] <kzet> Alright, I'll get that then.
[22:47] <elias_a> genii: Hacking or cracking? Two different things.
[22:47] <krizoek> i myself is trying to learn the other side of hacking. preventing it :)
[22:47] <dork> krizoek: you can't do that unless you know infosec.
[22:47] <dork> ie hacking
[22:47] <vfw> kzet: You have to set up mount points and mount the individual partitions.
[22:47] <nacc> ppf: you'd have to see if google offers it in their repo
[22:47] <krizoek> maybe that is true to some degree dork
[22:48] <dork> it absolutely is.
[22:48] <chucky> then i need another help
[22:48] <genii> elias_a: Support for Ubuntu problems is the on-topic for this channel. Nothing else.
[22:48] <dork> how can you protect yourself against something you can't do yourself, lol.
[22:48] <nacc> ppf: chromium-browser is available for armhf, though
[22:48] <nacc> ppf: from ubuntu
[22:49] <elias_a> genii: Well, in Finnish vocabulary developing is also hacking.
[22:49] <krizoek> you can use a gun, or take up a shield. i think there is a big difference between offensive and defensive strategy
[22:49] <ppf> nacc: i know, but i suspect it's unable to run the html5 drm thing
[22:49] <wendico> hello, how do i upgrade  IBus to version 1.5.11 ?? thank you
[22:49] <chucky> when i downloaded kali on  external hdd , the windows does not open without the external hdd
[22:49] <dork> ppf: why? html5 is spearheaded by google and chromium is a google browser
[22:50] <elias_a> genii: And has been even before Linus moved to uncivilized part of the world...
[22:50] <k1l> wendico: what ubuntu in use and what is the reason?
[22:50] <genii> elias_a: Perhaps ask them in #ubuntu-fi then and see what they say. But if you mean programming or development, this is still not the correct channel.
[22:50] <nacc> chucky: neither kali or windows are ontopic for this channel
[22:50] <kzet> k1l: do I use ext4 on a drive that I just want to store media on?
[22:50] <chucky> :D
[22:51] <k1l> kzet: yes.
[22:51] <elias_a> genii: I have been on ubuntu-fi for over 10 years. :)
[22:51] <dork> kzet: if you want to mount that drive in a non-linux box easily you might want to just make it fat
[22:51] <wendico> k1l: ubuntu 14.04 lts up to date 64bits, reason is android studio warning i should do it
[22:51] <k1l> wendico: in short: you dont easily update that
[22:51] <nacc> wendico: officially, 14.04 does not have ibus 1.5.11
[22:51] <OerHeks> ubuntu elias_a
[22:51] <ppf> dork:i know that. i'm trying chromium unsuccessfully just know
[22:51] <OerHeks> 10 years?
[22:51] <krizoek> i think that tools such as a IDS should have come with all ubuntu distros. like snort with snorby. but i think it would be more popular if someone just made a simpler software interface for it
[22:52] <elias_a> genii: I just cannot get how people can have such a narrow usage of the concept of hacking.
[22:52] <ppf> wanted to try chrome, hence
[22:52] <dork> krizoek: that would be a waste
[22:52] <k1l> wendico: and since ibus is quite a deep system component its not that easy.
[22:52] <kzet> k1l: thanks! GParted was super easy to use, appreciate your help.
[22:52] <krizoek> why do you say that dork ?
[22:52] <genii> elias_a: The proper channel for development would be either in a channel relating to the computer language you are using, or the channel of the name of the program you are developing for, or in rare instance, #ubuntu-devel
[22:52] <dork> 99% of the ubuntu user base doesn't even know how the internet works much less why they need snort or how to effectively use it
[22:52] <jonii_> I managed to salvage it!!
[22:52] <k1l> wendico: maybe you are better of just upgrading to 16.04?
[22:52] <wendico> k1l: i could also "or add "export IBUS_ENABLE_SYNC_MODE=1" to your ~/.profile, then restart a session." but i dont even understand what this sentence means hehe
[22:53] <nathdwek> dork, ppf: so I removed legacy static mappings and I can use tld-less names on both ends now :
[22:53] <nathdwek> :) *
[22:53] <krizoek> how else would someone know if there was a hacking attempt?
[22:53] <nathdwek> I think I'm gonna stick to that
[22:53] <elias_a> genii: Oh come on now.... you make yourself a fool.
[22:53] <dork> nathdwek: cool
[22:53] <nacc> elias_a: in the context of the question that prompted you, hacking was not intended in the sense of developing software. It was specifically in refernce to hackin ga computer.
[22:53] <krizoek> you need IDS, tripwire, sync checks...
[22:53] <nathdwek> There are a lot of artifacts remaining in arp for now
[22:54] <dork> it will flush out
[22:54] <nathdwek> So I hope all those will disappear overnight, and tomorrow .lan and .local should behave the same on both ends
[22:54] <dork> nathdwek: i'm guessing the static maps were on a different network/subnet?
[22:54] <dork> or did you actually see them in arp?
[22:54] <nathdwek> for now I have a lot of ? at <incomplete> left everywhere :)
[22:54] <wendico> k1l my system is not working correctly with 16.04, i tried
[22:54] <elias_a> nacc: It should be said then that "black hat hacking is off-topic".
[22:55] <elias_a> nacc: No need to brutalize concepts.
[22:55] <nathdwek> dork, ok if you want the full story: I had nathome hardwired as <IP_ADDRESS> (yeah I know 192.168.1 ipv4, ew) on the router before reinstalling nathome as a ubuntu
[22:55] <nacc> elias_a: we also directed it specifically at that user in that context.
[22:55] <vfw> dork: I asked him if it was all on one lan early on....
[22:55] <nathdwek> then I reinstalled ubuntu on nathome, with the same hostname
[22:55] <dork> lol
[22:55] <nathdwek> but for some reason obv, the router thought those were differente
[22:56] <jonii_> Hey, I was trying to salvage my filesystem
[22:56] <nathdwek> even though hostname and HW addr were the same
[22:56] <dork> the router didn't care at all, it's multicast
[22:56] <dork> but good to know, glad you solved it
[22:56] <jonii_> And now I did it, but I need to unmount the filesystem to proceed
[22:56] <jonii_> How do I unmount things?
[22:56] <vfw> a *good* router makes a big difference
[22:56] <dork> jonii_: umount -fl /mount/point
[22:56] <dork> vfw: no it doesnt :P
[22:56] <dork> not in his case.
[22:56] <ppf> opera is chromium-based, too, right?
[22:56] <dork> has nothing to do with it.
[22:57] <dork> ppf: no
[22:57] <nathdwek> so I think depending on how exactly you would ask the router to resolve a name, it would either send you packing, give you the old static adress which wasn't populated, or give you the right dhcp address
[22:57] <dork> you mean webkit based?
[22:57] <dork> errr
[22:57] <dork> whatever their engine is
[22:57] <backbox> hey
[22:57] <nathdwek> gecko, no?
[22:57]  * genii slides elias_a a fresh coffee and goes back to working on actual problems
[22:57] <dork> maybe it uses geck
[22:57] <backbox> im new
[22:57] <krizoek> i dont think a preinstalled IDS would be a waste. but rather create more interest in security
[22:57] <dork> it's V8 like chrome
[22:57] <dork> krizoek: definitely not.
[22:58] <vfw> nathdwek: Your router has a caching nameserver. Right?
[22:58] <dork> vfw: do you understand how multicast works?
[22:58] <krizoek> you think it would scare people away dork ?
[22:58] <goodguy> i m having trouble with ubuntu
[22:58] <vfw> dork: Not really
[22:58] <vfw> dork: Tell me.
[22:59] <Bashing-om> !ask | goodguy
[22:59] <ppf> dork: the problem is i need that drm/cdm plugin
[22:59] <dork> krizoek: no, i think people would continue to not care but it would be a waste of bandwidth and iops to bundle it with out of the box with an end-user newbie linux distro
[22:59] <dork> vfw: do you understand what broadcasting is?
[23:00] <goodguy> I wanna rob the local bank but "sudo hackthebank" command won't work. :Bashing-om
[23:00] <vfw> dork: Yes,  and multicasting is simply sending data to multiple PCs at once. Right?
[23:00] <wendico> can i "echo 'export IBUS_ENABLE_SYNC_MODE=1' >> ~/.profile"  ?? is that what i have to do? thank you
[23:00] <goodguy> are there any missing packages. LOL Bashing-om
[23:00] <dork> vfw: feel free to google it. although i myself like routeros (i myself am a mtcre/mtcwe/mtctce, love the stuff) his router is inculpable of his issue, as indicative by his resolving his issues
[23:01] <ppf> vfw: yes, on some abstraction level
[23:01] <cagomez> I'm following this script to install openvpn on my ubuntu vps... https://github.com/Angristan/OpenVPN-install ... can multiple clients use the same client.ovpn config to connect to it (not at the same time)?
[23:01] <k1l> wendico: what is the exact error you get from android studio?
[23:01] <backbox> anyone speak french please!
[23:01] <dork> !fr backbox
[23:01] <dork> :(
[23:01] <ppf> !fr | backbox
[23:01] <dork> ah, right
[23:01] <vfw> ppf: dork Ok
[23:02] <xrandr> is there  a way to get ubuntu mobile on my tablet? Is there a place to download it along with instructions?
[23:02] <vfw> !touch | xrandr
[23:02] <wendico> System Health: IBus prior to 1.5.11 may cause imput problems. See https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-78860 for details is the error k1l
[23:02] <k1l> xrandr: #ubuntu-touch and you might need to make a port first
[23:02] <xrandr> thanks
[23:03] <k1l> wendico: this looks like a warning. not an error
[23:04] <wendico> k1l, could you please follow the link and tell me how do i add "export IBUS_ENABLE_SYNC_MODE=1" to your ~/.profile
[23:04] <wendico> thank you very much
[23:04] <wendico> seems that that the solution is that easy
[23:05] <wendico> i guessed i could just echo 'export IBUS_ENABLE_SYNC_MODE=1' >> ~/.profile but im scared since on that file i can read conditionals and that is just a line
[23:05] <wendico> im learning programming im not sure of nothing lol
[23:05] <k1l> wendico: open the file, add the command at the end. then log out and login again
[23:05] <wendico> thank you very much k1l
[23:05] <ppf> dork: opera doesn't have an armhf version either :(
[23:06] <ppf> the world's against me again!
[23:06] <wendico> i studied so much my head is burning i am to confused hehe
[23:06] <dork> bummer
[23:06] <dork> you trying to make something out of a pi?
[23:07] <ppf> trying to watch sky go on it
[23:09] <ppf> i have it running as a general purpose media thingy in my living room, (for kodi and steam primarily). and i wanted to add sky to the mix
[23:09] <ppf> but i'm failing miserably
[23:09] <nathdwek> ha I'm in the same boat
[23:10] <Amareno> guys, can i use any other port except 25 when building mailserver?
[23:10] <ppf> Amareno: sure
[23:10] <nathdwek> I mean I'm at the "bought it on clearance, waiting for it" phase
[23:10] <ppf> nathdwek: the pi?
[23:10] <nathdwek> yeah
[23:10] <Amareno> ppf: 587 ?
[23:11] <nathdwek> I got a 3 with box and (useless) charger for like €7
[23:11] <ppf> Amareno: you can, but it'll be a large effort
[23:11] <ppf> nice!
[23:11] <Amareno> ppf: which one to use ?
[23:11] <nathdwek> I was planning on watching netflix and using vlc on it
[23:11] <ppf> whichever you want?
[23:11] <ppf> if you figure out how to do netflix let me know!
[23:11] <nathdwek> so you're saying netflix might be a challenge or sky go has a specific player?
[23:11] <nathdwek> ah ok
[23:11] <nathdwek> well
[23:11] <tomreyn> Amareno: with all implementations i know of, you can bind the smtpd to any port you like. mail won't be delivered there by external mail servers, though,
[23:12] <ppf> cause if it can do netflix it can do sky :)
[23:12] <nathdwek> yeah that's why you caught my eye
[23:12] <nathdwek> Well I'll start with sshfs+vlc probably
[23:12] <nathdwek> then I'll see where I can go
[23:12] <Amareno> tomreyn: so even if i set up the new port, i cant send mail to gmail for example?
[23:12] <adymitruk> I need to do an unattended USB install of ubunutu
[23:13] <ppf> the tv can do netflix, so i'm covered there. the pi is connected to a file-server and to steam
[23:13] <adymitruk> my video is not working on an intel nuc
[23:13] <tomreyn> Amareno: i was referring to inbound mail, not outbound mail.
[23:13] <nathdwek> the tv 'can' do netflix as well
[23:13] <nathdwek> And by can I mean can't
[23:14] <nathdwek> I never watched more than 20 frames on it I believe, quite frustrating
[23:14] <tomreyn> Amareno: unless the sender ip address is blacklisted or you violate DMARC or other mechanisms gmail will probably accept your e-mail.
[23:14] <kzet> I watch Twitch a lot, and I love Firefox. And it seems like Firefox can't utilize Twitch's HTML5 player. Is there a fix for this?
[23:14] <nathdwek> kzet what makes you say that?
[23:14] <kzet> nathdwek: just going to a stream and there's no HTML5 option for me.
[23:14] <wendico> Thank you k1l, finally android studio running with no errors. Thank you all again.
[23:14] <nathdwek> recent versions of firefox handle it perfectly.
[23:15] <kzet> nathdwek: really?
[23:15] <Amareno> tomreyn: is this hard to do in postfix?
[23:15] <nathdwek> Either you have addons chiming in, or you're stuck with an old firefox on an eol version of ubuntu
[23:15] <tomreyn> Amareno: what exactly?
[23:15] <kzet> nathdwek: I'm guessing old Firefox. Thanks! :)
[23:15] <Amareno> set up the port from 25 to 587
[23:15] <nathdwek> what version of ubuntu are you running?
[23:15] <nathdwek> kzet:
[23:16] <myij> hello everyone, my virtual machine is not recognizing the usb device. I tried redirect option in the menu, but it gives error; 'could not redirect..failed to fork (cannot allocate memory)..what can I do?
[23:16] <Amareno> tomreyn: to change smtp from 25 to 587
[23:17] <nathdwek> ppf: stupid question, but chromium doesn't compile for arm-linux-gnueabi?
[23:18] <ppf> chromium does, but you need a drm plugin
[23:18] <ppf> and that's not part of chromium
[23:18] <nathdwek> aaaaaah
[23:18] <Jonii> Umm... What?
[23:18] <nathdwek> fsf people
[23:18] <Jonii> I booted into Ubuntu after repairing the disk
[23:18] <Jonii> Random software has stopped working
[23:18] <nathdwek> jesus the browser scene is such a mess
[23:19] <Bray90820> Can anyone tell me where skins are installed to so I can manually edit one
[23:19] <Jonii> And there are minor differences in settings
[23:19] <Jonii> How did this happen?
[23:20] <Jonii> I lost sound for example :(
[23:20] <k1l> Jonii: file corruption? due to hardware issues?
[23:21] <tomreyn> Amareno: that's very easy really. it doesn't change how you send mail, though, so you seem to be mixing things up.
[23:21] <Jonii> Really difficult to say. Sounds worked in Lubuntu
[23:21] <Jonii> So I think something was corrupted
[23:21] <vfw> Jonii: Maybe kernel modules missing
[23:21] <kzet> nathdwek: Yup! You were right, it works perfectly with the new Firefox. Thanks. :)
[23:21] <nathdwek> good on you:
[23:21] <nathdwek> !
[23:22] <nathdwek> did you forget to update your distro for the last 2 years or sometg?
[23:22] <vfw> nathdwek: it's gotten to be almost a daily process
[23:23] <nathdwek> ppf: just for my info, does vlc show limitations in transcodign ability for reasonably big mkvs on pi? (3 if you have it)
[23:23] <Amareno> tomreyn: obviously... im new to this :(
[23:23] <nathdwek> vfw: version numbers have been climbing a lot lately, but html5 support has been in for a long time now
[23:24] <tomreyn> Amareno: so read up more on how to setup a basic mail server. there are different types of mail servers / mail server configurations, maybe start with that and get an idea of what you want / need.
[23:24] <nathdwek> like 5k x264
[23:25] <dork> people (browsers) take special care with DRM specific content, i'm not surprised that it isn't supported in chromium
[23:26] <dork> that's why they have chromium and chrome.
[23:26] <myij> hello everyone, my virtual machine is not recognizing the usb device.  But passing the exact same parameters to it fails me
[23:31] <Jonii> It doesn't know --reinstall
[23:31] <nathdwek> >2016
[23:31] <nathdwek> still having people struggle with aptitude vs apt-get and then adding apt
[23:31] <nathdwek> what has this world come to
[23:31] <dork> a world of choices
[23:32] <nathdwek> we should just wipe every ubuntuforum.advice.ru dating pre 14.04
[23:32] <Jonii> Are you gonna help? :(
[23:32] <dork> Trump's on that mission right now
[23:32] <nathdwek> unfortunately not I don't think :'
[23:32] <nathdwek> (
[23:33] <OerHeks> how helpfull, nathdwek
[23:33] <nathdwek> I'm taking the constructive approach of shutting up when I don't know
[23:33] <nathdwek> unlike some other people on irc
[23:33] <dork> Jonii: apt-get understands --reinstall
[23:33] <SemiNus> hi
[23:33] <nathdwek> I just...don't know all the intricacies of apt
[23:33] <SemiNus> I am just trying to install seeddms (a very recommendable cool program) in PHP
[23:33] <dork> Jonii: just trying to reinstall a package?
[23:34] <SemiNus> the installation routine tells me to install pdo mysqli
[23:34] <dork> SemiNus: it can't be that cool if it's in php
[23:34] <SemiNus> but as far as I can see, it's installed
[23:34] <nathdwek> facebook is php
[23:34] <dork> facebook is garbage
[23:34] <nathdwek> point taken
[23:34] <SemiNus> what else could this missing "pdo mysqli" mean?
[23:34] <dork> and it's hardly php
[23:34] <dork> oh i guess not
[23:34] <SemiNus> the ##php channel did not answer, so I figured to as in the irc channel of my operating system
[23:34] <nathdwek> yeah it is typechecked and transpiled
[23:35] <SemiNus> to as = to ask
[23:35] <kk4ewt> SemiNus,  pdo mysql
[23:35] <dork> SemiNus: dpkg -l | grep mysql
[23:35] <k1l> SemiNus: can you show the output on paste.ubuntu.com and link it here?
[23:35] <SemiNus> https://dpaste.de/r37m/raw
[23:36] <Jonii> okay, so purging and then trying to reinstall doesn't work
[23:36] <Jonii> I ended up removing pretty much all programs on my computer as a result
[23:36] <SemiNus> does it have to be paste.ubuntu.com or is the above link okay?
[23:36] <dork> Jonii: i'm sorry but can you recap on the issue?
[23:36] <k1l> SemiNus: thats ok
[23:37] <Jonii> dork, I needed to purge/reinstall stuff
[23:37] <Jonii> I had command which was supposed to do that neatly so that everything would be just factory reseted
[23:37] <Jonii> But that command was no longer supported, so I divided it into purge -> reinstall
[23:37] <SemiNus> I just got a tip in the ##php channel that debian based distros might need me to take action in terms of doing something with "phpenmod"
[23:37] <Jonii> But that didn't work out, since because of dependencies, all programs were removed
[23:38] <nacc> SemiNus: you're also not using the ubuntu packages, so it gets harder to help
[23:38] <dork> SemiNus: if it isn't enabled then yes but you can easily determine that by running a php test page
[23:38] <SemiNus> nacc, what else am I using? I am on a Ubuntu machine
[23:38] <nacc> SemiNus: you are using ondrej's PPA.
[23:38] <SemiNus> omg true!! I really did that, a long time ago
[23:39] <SemiNus> no idea why I did that
[23:39] <nacc> SemiNus: presumably you wanted PHP5 support
[23:39] <SemiNus> sorry nacc I totally forgot about this
[23:39] <nathdwek> That was a cool interaction
[23:39] <nathdwek> you guys know each other or sometg?
[23:39] <myij> hello everyone, my virtual machine is not recognizing the usb device. I tried redirect option in the menu, but it gives error; 'could not redirect..failed to fork (cannot allocate memory)..what can I do?
[23:40] <nacc> SemiNus: iirc, the Ubuntu packages phenmod by default. However there is no pdo_mysqli, only pdo_mysql
[23:40] <SemiNus> nathdwek, do you mean nacc and me?  nah, we just met here :)
[23:40] <nathdwek> yeah ok
[23:40] <nacc> SemiNus: so I'd need to see the exact error and why it's reporting it to give any better advice
[23:40] <nathdwek> funny that the one knew the the other'ssetup better than himself
[23:41] <SemiNus> nacc, https://filebin.net/mhdr5uwtt2cxzupf/seeddms_error.png
[23:41] <Lavinho> good night
[23:42] <Lavinho> how to install linux on  lenovo ideapad 100s
[23:42] <Lavinho> ???
[23:43] <SemiNus> Lavinho, do you have a cd drive?
[23:43] <nathdwek> it seems to be a regular intel laptop so you can use any generic method
[23:43] <Lavinho> yes
[23:43] <blueking> anyone know  how to make bd iso file from BD files  ?
[23:43] <frostythesnowman> hi, i'm getting the following a "No such file or directory" error when running this command as root "su -s "/bin/bash" -c "echo $HOME >/path/to/log/file 2>&1 &" username
[23:44] <nathdwek> any reason you mentioned the model so explicitly? It even seems to have intel graphics, so you won't have gpu driver support issues, which is always a plus
[23:44] <SemiNus> Lavinho, then just download the installation media and burn it to a CD / DVD
[23:44] <SemiNus> Lavinho, then start from the optical drive
[23:44] <Lavinho> ok
[23:44] <frostythesnowman> does anoyne know why i'd be getting such an error? the file doesn't exist, and the directory i'm trying to write to is owned by "username"
[23:44] <Lavinho> thank's
[23:44] <minimec> myij: I you use Virtualbox on a ubuntu base, then ---> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/USB
[23:44] <nacc> frostythesnowman: why the trailing "username" ?
[23:44] <nathdwek> if you have issues getting into bios, it is usually del f12 or f10
[23:44] <nathdwek> lenovo sometimes used ins also
[23:44] <wedgie> frostythesnowman: i'm guessing /path/to/log/file doesn't exist. You should be replacing that with your actual path
[23:44] <nathdwek> just pound away
[23:45] <frostythesnowman> nacc: i'd like to run it as that user
[23:45] <SemiNus> nacc, is there any way to entirely purge ondrej's PPA ?
[23:45] <nacc> frostythesnowman: does /path/to/log exist?
[23:45] <frostythesnowman> wedgie: i've tried creating the file, but it still gives me the same error; and i just subbed that in; the actual command has the actual absolute path
[23:45] <nacc> !ppa-purge | SemiNus
[23:45] <minimec> Jonii: So now you have a graphical desktop, but most of the apps are gone? 'sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop' should reinstall the default ubuntu package selection after a fresh installation.
[23:45] <frostythesnowman> ya it does
[23:46] <frostythesnowman> i've tried it after deleting the file also though, and it gives me the same error
[23:46] <wedgie> frostythesnowman: how about: sudo -u username bash -c 'echo...'
[23:47] <SemiNus> nacc, what <repository-name>/<subdirectory> ?
[23:47] <SemiNus> where can I find that out?
[23:48] <frostythesnowman> wedgie: so, my problem is i'm running this command in the root shell but i want to run it as another user.  i.e. sudo wouldn't work
[23:48] <nacc> SemiNus: same way as you added it? I don't have it handy, but it's deducible from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/...
[23:48] <wedgie> frostythesnowman: why wouldn't sudo work?
[23:49] <frostythesnowman> wedgie: o sry, i spoke too soon! i thought sudo only works outside of root.  however, i still get the same error w/ that command also
[23:49] <minimec> SemiNus: probably 'sudo ppa-purge ondrej/php' --> https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[23:49] <wedgie> frostythesnowman: sudo -u username bash -c 'echo $HOME > /path/to/log/file'    That's how i'd do it
[23:49] <frostythesnowman> bash: /path/to/log/file: No such file or directory
[23:49] <nacc> frostythesnowman: in any case, the command works fine for me -- note that it will print root's home, though
[23:50] <SemiNus> thank you minimec
[23:50] <SemiNus> thank you nacc
[23:50] <Lavinho> seminus
[23:50] <Lavinho> ´no
[23:50] <wedgie> frostythesnowman: does the user you're running as have permission to access that file/directory?
[23:50] <nathdwek> frostythesnowman: glancing at sudo man page, you should be using ~username instead I think
[23:50] <nacc> frostythesnowman: thepermissions are probably bad along the path
[23:50] <nacc> frostythesnowman: in that the user you are running as can't cd to some directory (or ls it)
[23:50] <nathdwek> never heard of this notation, til
[23:51] <wedgie> $HOME is typically better that ~ expansions in scripts because it works inside of quotes
[23:52] <wedgie> but in this case ~username will get you what you want
[23:52] <frostythesnowman> testing now
[23:52] <nathdwek> wedgie, yeah but as nacc pointed out, the $HOME version will print the original $HOME
[23:52] <Jonii> minimec: I restarted computer before that
[23:53] <Jonii> minimec: so I end up in initramfs upon start
[23:53] <Jonii> so I think the computer is now bricked
[23:53] <wedgie> nathdwek: indeed. Or you can use -H with sudo to get the right home dir
[23:54] <gaghiel> hello all :)
[23:54] <gaghiel> quick one
[23:54] <nathdwek> frostythesnowman: I guess that's not all you want to do, but if it is actually the acse, you can even do echo ~username >/path/to/file, less variables at play that way
[23:54] <minimec> Jonii: Wow... So you removed too much packages. If you have a install USB stick or DVD, you can repair the installation or restart ftom 0.
[23:54] <Jonii> minimec, well I have lubuntu USB, if that helps
[23:55] <Jonii> I don't have the particular USB used to install my current system
[23:55] <gaghiel> problem: so my home dir is encrypted and I'm trying to share a usb device from /media/username/mountpoint. I modified samba to share that partition mapping the guest account to my username (needed guest access). the share worked fine, but for some reason my home directory was unmounted :(
[23:55] <Jonii> Well, past system at this point
[23:55] <gaghiel> any ideas?
[23:56] <SemiNus> nacc, minimec https://dpaste.de/Xsi2/raw
[23:56] <minimec> Jonii: That should do. I will probably install a basic lxde environment. But afterwards you can get your ubuntu desktop with 'sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop'.
[23:56] <smurfendrek123> hey this is the output of crontab -l https://bpaste.net/show/a6f06da39001 and it doesn't work
[23:57] <Jonii> I'll try that... Tomorrow. I've now bricked my computer bad enough
[23:57] <frostythesnowman> dohhhhh, thank you all.  it was indeed a permissions error that was locking me out
[23:57] <frostythesnowman> i thought i checked that already but i was looking at another file
[23:58] <wedgie> smurfendrek123: systemctl is in /usr/bin.  Either use absolute path when referring to it, or set the PATH accordingly at the top
[23:58] <wedgie> err, systemctl is in /bin
[23:59] <smurfendrek123> wedgie, i did set the path at the top
[23:59] <minimec> SemiNus: Besides the fact that you have a problem with the google-chrome browser, it looks that there are no packages available from the ondrej/php PPA for xenial. Is this a system you upgraded?
[23:59] <smurfendrek123> with PATH=/usr/bin
[23:59] <wedgie> smurfendrek123: to the wrong place.
[23:59] <smurfendrek123> i did which systemctl and thats where it says it is
[23:59] <wedgie> bash: /usr/bin/systemctl: No such file or directory
[23:59] <smurfendrek123> yea but im on fedora lol
[23:59] <smurfendrek123> sorry
[23:59] <wedgie> smurfendrek123: then you're in the wrong channel


[10:52] <\sh> Riddell: kdevelop3: kdevdesigner is not stopping  from crashing...any idea?
[10:52] <Tm_T> :o
[11:46] <Riddell> \sh: hmm no, remind me about it post-preview
[11:47] <\sh> Riddell: i just installed the debug libs...lets see where it crashes
[11:47] <Riddell> \sh: could try compiling with gcc 3.4
[11:48] <\sh> it worked for sometime
[11:50] <\sh> grmpf..need the qt dbgs as well ;)
[11:52] <\sh> Riddell: I can send the crash report via email...
[12:07] <Riddell> \sh: do you have amd64 or powerpc at all?
[12:07] <\sh> i386 only
[12:46] <Riddell> testers wanted for preview http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20050908.1/
[12:48] <\sh> downloading and testing later...I have to test it on the laptop :(
[12:48] <\sh> and have to tweak the initrd :(
[12:49] <Riddell> why do you have to tweak initrd?
[12:49] <\sh> i have to do a network install
[12:49] <\sh> and for this, I need a special marvel yukon driver, which is not in the kernel
[12:50] <\sh> sk98lin driver, the kernel provided skge doesn't support my NIC
[03:44] <Riddell> sebas: got guidance working!
[04:06] <sebas> Riddell: Great!
[04:06] <sebas> Do you have the kcontrol entries?
[04:06] <sebas> I've been playing around with it yesterday, displayconfig seems to work (from kcontrol), the others not yet here.
[04:07] <sebas> Updated to breezy yesterday, though.
[04:11] <Riddell> sebas: displayconfig doesn't work at all for me, I get this error
[04:11] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/357985
[04:11] <Riddell> the others I have to add this to the .desktop file Categories=Qt;KDE;X-KDE-settings-system;
[04:12] <sebas> Riddell: Ah, you'd need the ldetect stuff.
[04:12] <sebas> Could you e-mail me the .desktop files?
[04:12] <Riddell> sebas: what's the ldetect stuff?
[04:12] <Riddell> sebas: .desktop files are just those in current SVN with that line at the bottom
[04:12] <sebas> pci device database.
[04:14] <Riddell> icons need to be available in more sizes
[04:14] <sebas> Hm, just adding the Categories line doesn't help here.
[04:14] <sebas> /usr/share/applnk/Settings/System/mountconfig.desktop
[04:14] <sebas> In that file, right?
[04:15] <Riddell> sebas: no, in /usr/share/applications/kde/mountconfig.desktop
[04:15] <Riddell> same file though
[04:15] <sebas> Ah, thx.
[04:17] <Riddell> sebas: could I get access to the SVN repository (probably for updating the debian directory)?
[04:17] <sebas> Riddell: I'm about to move it to kdesvn, do you have access there?
[04:18] <sebas> In the meantime, could you checkout and e-mail me the patch?
[04:18] <Riddell> sebas: I do.  sorted.
[04:18] <sebas> I'll import it into kdesvn in the next days, though.
[04:18] <sebas> Have to clean up a couple of bits first :>
[04:18] <Riddell> no patch yet, but now that it's working I'll try and get it in the ubuntu archives
[04:18] <sebas> Cool :)
[04:20] <sebas> Hm, the mountconfig kcontrol module doesn't load, does it for you?
[04:20] <sebas> userconfig and serviceconfig do
[04:20] <Riddell> lo
[04:20] <Riddell> loads fine, it's a bit slow to load though
[04:21] <sebas> Hm, ok.
[04:21] <sebas> When did you update to latest svn?
[04:21] <sebas> I've done some fixes in Spain that might be worth using
[04:22] <Riddell> sebas: serviceconfig and userconfig don't close when I click the window's X close button, mountconfig does (not running inside kcontrol)
[04:22] <sebas> caching of servicedescriptions for serviceconfig being one of them
[04:22] <sebas> Ok, I'll have a look.
[04:23] <Riddell> sebas: where are the service descriptions got from?
[04:23] <sebas> dpkg
[04:23] <Riddell> genius :)
[04:24] <sebas> It's a bit ugly, admittedly, but there are no (localized) generic descriptions available anywhere...
[04:24] <Riddell> still no way to tell if it's running I guess
[04:24] <sebas> Right. :(
[04:24] <sebas> At least for the services that don't leave a .pid file anywhere.
[04:25] <Riddell> I envision a post breezy ImproveInitScripts goal
[04:26] <sebas> Bounty!!!
[04:26] <sebas> :>
[04:26] <Riddell> yep :)
[04:26] <sebas> We'd like status and  a localiz(ed|able) description for every service.
[04:27] <sebas> GST has the same description problem, but they didn't reply to my e-mails.
[04:28] <Riddell> sebas: any other plans you think we should try to make post-breezy goals? (which means they might get bountied)
[04:29] <Riddell> any other guidance modules you think should be written?
[04:29] <Riddell> I think a graphical visudo would be good
[04:29] <sebas> Yeah, we'd need some powermanagement module (PM in kcontrol is bad crap atm), and a *good* keyboard config module.
[04:30] <sebas> Graphical visudo is more or less adding users to a certain group, right?
[04:30] <sebas> At least, you could do it that way ...
[04:31] <Riddell> yes, it would be nice if userconfig had tickboxes for "administrator" which would put them in the admin group (which by default has full sudo on kubuntu systems)
[04:31] <Riddell> but a graphical interface to the sudoers file would still be nice
[04:32] <sebas> Riddell: I've discussed that with Jan, a lot of the group stuff could be replaced by "[ ]  Is allowed to burn CD", "[x]  May gain root privileges", "[x]  May use digital camera" and so on.
[04:32] <Riddell> sebas: yes!
[04:33] <Riddell> of course that starts to get more distribution specific but it would be a lot more logical to the user
[04:33] <sebas> Well, that's more or less on our "add to todolist list" :)
[04:33] <sebas> I'm awaiting Jan's final report, though.
[04:33] <sebas> Yeah, but it'd add a hell of a lot of fun :>
[04:34] <sebas> And it's quite easy to extend, just have some data structure which maps a sentence like that to a group a user can be added to.
[04:35] <Riddell> sebas: how is the distribution detection done?  the message "This could be a Debian GNU/Linux-based system. ( Ubuntu )" doesn't sound like it's very convinced
[04:36] <sebas> /etc/issue reveals that on most distros.
[04:38] <Riddell>  /etc/lsb-release might be more reliable
[04:40] <sebas> I can add that.
[04:49] <sebas> Riddell: Seems that most distros don't have /etc/lsb-release
[04:50] <\sh> sebas: because most distris are not lsb compliant ,)
[04:50] <Riddell> sebas: tsk, don't these things know about standards
[04:50] <sebas> \sh: Yeah, I figured that already :>
[04:50] <Riddell> well give it a year or two and I assume they will
[04:51] <sebas> I can add a check, sure.
[04:51] <sebas> First I have to prepare my presentation for software freedom day and install this website for a customer.
[06:55] <seaLne> Riddell: err installing kubuntu seems to have killed my mac, its making an extremly loud high pitched noise after it said it was about to reboot for the second part.... :-/
[07:12] <Riddell> seaLne: not a good sign
[07:47] <seaLne> Riddell: it was just after it wrote the yaboot stuff and i think it may have rebooted before starting to make that noise
[07:47] <seaLne> it dosen't do anything when turned on except make the noise now
[07:52] <Riddell> seaLne: I'm installing now on an ibook and it's not getting that problem
[07:54] <seaLne> lucky you
[07:54] <seaLne> :-/
[07:55] <seaLne> this was an smp blue G4
[08:38] <Riddell> seaLne: is the machine dead beyond repair?
[08:44] <seaLne> well its certainly currently useless, and i don't see how to change that :-(
[08:44] <Riddell> seaLne: can it boot off another CD?
[08:46] <seaLne> no, it just dosen't do anything apart from make the deafening noise otherwise it appears dead
[08:46] <Riddell> crivvens, sounds like a fried firmware
[08:47] <Riddell> can you boot holding down control-apple-o-f  to get to openfirmware?
[08:48] <seaLne> didn't try that, i'll try tommorow when i'm back in work
[08:48] <Riddell> or alt-apple-p-r should reload the openfirmware


[00:01] <zkdehelp> Does AMD have less screen tearing on a clean Kubuntu 16.04 LTS install out of the box?
[00:20] <valorie> hmmm, never had any problems, so no experience to offer, zkdehelp
[00:20] <valorie> but 16.04 seems a long time ago!
[00:20] <valorie> I always run the current release or then next one
[04:44] <CoJaBo> Kubuntu 17.10 still has the "windows stop repainting if left open for a few days" bug? Wtf..
[06:12] <user|48743> Hi
[06:13] <user|48743> Kubuntu 17.10 is stable version
[06:13] <user|48743> or 17.04 is stable version
[06:14] <user|48743> Please give me response
[06:14] <Guest42697> what response do you need?
[06:15] <hateball> user|48743: all releases are "stable" :)
[06:15] <hateball> user|48743: 16.04 is however LTS, and 17.10 is the current short-term release. 17.04 is EOL shortly.
[06:37] <valorie> user|48743: help us make each release more stable by helping us test *before* release
[06:37] <valorie> the more testing, the better the release
[07:07] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:36] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:37] <obert> hey BluesKaj
[10:38] <obert> do you know a free IDE for kubuntu?
[10:39] <BluesKaj> obert, https://www.kdevelop.org/
[10:39] <obert> is good?
[10:40] <BluesKaj> dunno, don't use it
[10:40] <obert> ...
[10:41] <BluesKaj> I don't code or edit it
[10:58] <lordievader> obert: Last time I used it it was allright, have since moved to vim.
[10:59] <obert> vim is hard
[16:18] <atymchuk> Hi everyone. Got a problem.  Can I avoid this shutdown somehow or this is expected behaviour?
[16:24] <atymchuk> sorry, wrong channel.
[19:46] <SeanFromQueens> Hi!
[19:46] <SeanFromQueens> I've run into a couple of problems with Kubutu.
[19:48] <SeanFromQueens> First off, it freezes after only 10 minutes of booting into, initially the mouse can still move but the window is unresponsive then the pointer becomes unresponsive.
[19:49] <SeanFromQueens> If there is some update that I need to install to fix it, I can't run all the updates in time for the system to become unresponsive.
[19:50] <SeanFromQueens> 2nd I would like copy all the profile folders to apps like pidgin and thunderbird but to do so from my Windows partition/boot, is that possible?
[19:52] <SeanFromQueens> 3rd and finally, is there anyway to change the order of grub boot order from the Windows session? No Grub Customizer, not terminal, but from Windows.
[19:53] <SeanFromQueens> There's no response. Not even "sorry can't help you newb"
[20:28] <SeanFromQueens> This is not a helpful channel
[20:33] <BluesKaj> ask your question again, I just got here, SeanFromQueens
[21:05] <ronnoc> SeanFromQueens: 1) Would need some system info before any help can be given; but in general, you can usually press <ctl> + <alt> + F2 and get to a terminal and run any system updates from there.
[21:05] <ronnoc> Specifically, "sudo apt update" and then "sudo apt full-upgrade"
[21:06] <ronnoc> 2) yes. 3) Not possible as far as I know
[21:07] <ronnoc> and hi BluesKaj
[21:09] <ronnoc> Edit on 2) not sure actually, but easily done from Linux either installed or from a live session