[00:00] <Vysty> Bashing-om: Yea, I get that. Apparently I don't know how to run this verification.
[00:00] <TJ-> Vysty: so you can see the MD5SUMS file here http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.3/
[00:00] <tsarompy> can i use the kicker from plasma-desktop without running kde? like if i wanted to have openbox in .xinitrc could i somehow load the taskbar/tray?
[00:00] <TpmSpain> okay
[00:00] <Bashing-om> Vysty: You are getting frustrated for nothing :) . slow down go get a cup of coffee. Now we can not help that you are working from a Windows machine :)
[00:01] <Vysty> Bashing-om: Yes, I'm sorry I'm frustrated.
[00:01] <TpmSpain> Ill be back.. And ill you know.
[00:01] <Vysty> I was reallllllllllllyyyyy hoping not to spend my day like this.
[00:01] <Vysty> Like, really really.
[00:01] <TpmSpain> well.. Vysrt
[00:01] <TJ-> Vysty: once you know the hash (checksum) for the .iso file you downloaded, you run a (Windows) program as recommended above to generate a hash (checksum) of the downloaded file, and compare the values to ensure they are identical
[00:01] <TpmSpain> your learning :-)
[00:02] <Bashing-om> Vysty: Once you know how .. takes all of 30 minure total to RE-install . take it easy :)
[00:02] <Loshki> Vysty: ok, in desperation, I have googled "how to prepare a linux usb boot from windows" and it says to use Unetbootin. Also, booting, which was never simple in the first place, except when everyone had dvd readers, is complicated. Does your machine have UEFI booting?
[00:02] <Vysty> Okay, I have now verified the ISO with the value provided by TJ's link on my USB.
[00:02] <Vysty> It's a match.
[00:02] <TJ-> Vysty: Yay :) so no corruption
[00:02] <Vysty> Loshki: I have no idea. Don't know what UEFI is. :(
[00:02] <Vysty> Okay, now, I'm going to put the USB into my computer and restart it.
[00:02] <Loshki> Vysty: probably older hardware, pre uefi, or you'd have remembered this pain
[00:03] <Vysty> Loshki: I do this once every 1-2 years or so. All I remember is general pain, nothing specific.
[00:03] <Loshki> Vysty: If it fails, Download UNetbootin (GPLv2) and use it to burn your iso to USB, then retry
[00:03] <Bashing-om> Vysty: See too: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/burn-a-dvd-on-windows .
[00:04] <Vysty> Yea, my computer still isn't recognizing the USB.
[00:04] <Loshki> Vysty: try a different slot, as the actress said to the Bishop
[00:04] <Vysty> My options in the GRUB are: Ubuntu, Advanced Options for Ubuntu, Windows Boot Manager, and System Setup
[00:04] <Vysty> Loshki: No luck.
[00:04] <TJ-> Vysty: "System Setup" means the PC is using UEFI
[00:05] <Vysty> TJ-: Gotcha. Does that help or hinder me?
[00:05] <TJ-> Vysty: UEFI is an alternate (newer) way for PCs to boot, compared to the old 'BIOS' of the 1980/90s
[00:06] <Vysty> Any recommendations now? Guessing I made the USB drive improperly.
[00:06] <TJ-> Vysty: it just means you may have to 'tell' the PC's own firmware setup to boot differently. Firstly, there should be an option to press a key during early boot to get a Manual Boot Menu where you can choose the device to boot from. Usually pressing F12 or F2 or F10 or similar
[00:06] <Bashing-om> Vysty: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows .
[00:07] <TJ-> Vysty: I think the USB is fine, but the PC is simply booting from the installed device because that's the default
[00:07] <TJ-> Vysty: what make/model is the PC (or motherboard) - we can try to find out what the key-press should be
[00:08] <Vysty> TJ-: Okay, we're getting somewhere.
[00:08] <Vysty> Startup Device Menu
[00:08] <Vysty> Still not seeing the $%@#$^@#&% USB drive.
[00:08] <TJ-> Vysty: nice one... does it list the USB device? possibly lists it twice with slightly different entries?
[00:09] <Vysty> I got some Windows and Ubuntu options for SATA 1, Network 1: IP4, Network 1: IP6, and Enter Setup
[00:09] <TJ-> Vysty: anything about "removable" ? if not, you'll need to Enter Setup and configure the boot manager
[00:09] <Vysty> Nothing removable.
[00:09] <Vysty> So if I go to the primary boot sequence, this it the sequence:
[00:09] <TJ-> Vysty: OK, "Enter Setup", find the "boot menu" management area
[00:10] <Vysty> 1. USB CDROM 2. USB FDD 3. USB KEY 4. USB HDD 5. SATA 1 and 2 6. Network 1
[00:10] <Loshki> Oh, isn't your usb stick basically a USB HDD?
[00:10] <Vysty> I would think so.
[00:11] <TJ-> Vysty: if that is the ordering, I'd expect either (1) or (4) to work with the ISO image you have on the USB
[00:11] <Vysty> Still isn't booting. I made it the first in the sequence.
[00:11] <Vysty> TJ-: I would expect that, too.
[00:11] <TJ-> Vysty: is there a "Security" menu in Setup ?
[00:11] <Vysty> TJ-: Yes.
[00:11] <TJ-> Vysty: go into it, tell us if "Secure Boot" is enabled. Also tell us if you see some options for "Trust"
[00:11] <Vysty> SEcure boot disabled
[00:11] <Vysty> Enable it?
[00:12] <Vysty> TJ-: I don't see anything about trust.
[00:13] <TJ-> Vysty: as an experiment, enable S.B. see if some "Trust" options appear
[00:13] <Vysty> Enabled. Nothing about trust.
[00:13] <TJ-> Vysty: on some makes/models of UEFI PCs recently it is required for you to manually 'trust' the bootloader file on the device, and to do it S.B. has to be enabled
[00:13] <Vysty> When I created this bootable USB, I formatted it. DOn't know if I clicked FAT32 or NTFS. Would tha tmake a difference?
[00:14] <TJ-> Vysty: errr, depends. USB bootable devices DO NOT require formatting
[00:14] <Vysty> I know that from about 15 minutes ago. It was my 3rd time trying to create the USB bootable device, and I was running out of room.
[00:14] <TJ-> Vysty: the ISO file is a byte-by-byte image that needs to go onto the USB device starting from the first byte. The ISO contains it's own formatting
[00:15] <Vysty> I figured it would be faster to just click "format" than to open the folder and delete everything first.
[00:15] <Vysty> So... next step?
[00:17] <TJ-> Vysty: I think we need to ensure you've correctly written the ISO to the USB. Right now it sounds as if you simply copied the ISO file into the file-system with something like Windows explorer
[00:17] <Vysty> TJ-: Nope. Used a program. What was it called...
[00:17] <TJ-> Vysty: but I wasn't following your issue earlier so may have missed it... unetbootln?
[00:18] <Vysty> TJ-: I used Universal USB Installer to make the bootable USB.
[00:18] <Vysty> TJ-: The original issue is I attempted to upgrade from 16.04 to 17.04 and the whole damn thing crashed.
[00:18] <mascaqui> Use rufus
[00:18] <mascaqui> Very good
[00:18] <TJ-> Vysty: ahhh, OK, since I don't use Windows I'm slightly handicapped; let me read up on it! Yes, I saw your orginal problem :D
[00:18] <Vysty> Now that I've learned by lesson, I would be happy to have my 16.04 back and get on with my life.
[00:19] <mascaqui> Did you have separate partitions?
[00:19] <Vysty> Spending my afternoon doing this was about the 3rd from last thing I wanted to do today.
[00:19] <Vysty> Is this a safe site to get Rufus from? https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[00:19] <Vysty> mascaqui: Don't remember.
[00:20] <mascaqui> Yes
[00:21] <mascaqui> The site is like decent forum
[00:21] <mascaqui> And they explain with pictures
[00:21] <TJ-> Vysty: OK, Universal USB Creator looks like it does a direct write of the ISO, but then the screenshots show it actually isn't doing that, but installing it's own boot loader (syslinux) so I'm not sure
[00:21] <Vysty> TJ-: We'll solve the problem with me doing it again with rufus.
[00:22] <TJ-> Vysty: OK, good luck... it's gone midnight here and I will have to leave shortly
[00:22] <mascaqui> Are you dual booting?
[00:23] <Vysty> mascaqui: Nope.
[00:23] <Vysty> TJ-: Shit... thank you for the help so far.
[00:26] <TJ-> Vysty: this Ubuntu guide shows the Rufus way very clearly: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0
[00:26] <electricmilk> Whatever happened to ubuntuguide.org? That site was super handy
[00:27] <TJ-> electricmilk: I think the operator(s) got tired
[00:27] <Vysty> Well... now that TJ- needs to go to bed... can anyone else help me with this reinstallation?
[00:27] <electricmilk> TJ-,  That's too bad.  I wonder if there is a mirror
[00:27] <TJ-> Vysty: follow the guide I just linked, it is rather good!
[00:28] <electricmilk> VirusTotal.com lists https://rufus.akeo.ie/ as clean.  It tested it across 66 engines
[00:28] <Kashout> A friend made a folder called ".." how do I remove it?
[00:29] <electricmilk> It is also the first link on Google for "Rufus" so it is indeed the right link
[00:29] <Vysty> TJ-: Yea, I'm concerned after I use Rufus when something else doesn't go according to a guide.
[00:29] <electricmilk> Kashout, .. isn't a folder
[00:29] <Kashout> It is a folder.
[00:29] <electricmilk> Kashout, It is typically an option to go back a folder
[00:30] <Vysty> TJ-: And when I try to find another guide to solve the problems, I get contradictory or confusing advice.
[00:30] <Vysty> :/
[00:30] <Kashout> "ls -l" lists . .. .. bin docs
[00:30] <electricmilk> Kashout, Do you only see it in one location or in every folder?
[00:30] <Kashout> I see the first . and .. in every folder but there is a 2nd .. in this folder.
[00:31] <electricmilk> Kashout, what does file '..' give you in terminal?
[00:31] <mascaqui> rm dir
[00:31] <Kashout> Every time I try to do things to the .. folder it redirects to the containing folder.
[00:31] <electricmilk> I'm not on Ubuntu but usually '..' is associated with an option to go back a folder
[00:31] <electricmilk> Kashout,  Exactly
[00:31] <electricmilk> Kashout,  If you want to confirm though you can use the file command in terminal
[00:32] <electricmilk> file '..'
[00:32] <Kashout> I would delete the containing folder but "rm -r" hangs, "rm -rv" lists it recursively going into the containing folder.
[00:32] <TJ-> Kashout: it's possible the dots aren't ASCII periods but UTF characters that look like the ASCII period
[00:33] <Kashout> Anything is possible, they hex edited the hard drive.
[00:33] <mascaqui> rmdir -r (folder)
[00:33] <TJ-> Kashout: try "ls | hexdump -C" and compare the ".." entries for their codes
[00:33] <mascaqui> Try
[00:33] <electricmilk> I'd be REALLY careful messing around with rm -r
[00:33] <mascaqui>  A folder is a directory
[00:34] <mascaqui> you can rmdir
[00:34] <mascaqui> To remove the folder
[00:34] <mascaqui> rmdir -r "folder"
[00:34] <Kashout> rmdir -r .. hangs.
[00:35] <electricmilk> I'd confirm .. is indeed a folder first with file '..'  If it is indeed a folder I'd then try rm -r '..'
[00:35] <Kashout> TJ-: the dots are "0a 0a"
[00:35] <electricmilk> Include the single quotes
[00:35] <TJ-> Kashout: does "ls -b" show anything different
[00:35] <TJ-> Kashout: 0a is 10 which is the ASCII line-feed character
[00:35] <Kashout> still 0a
[00:36] <Kashout> file '..' shows ..: directory
[00:36] <electricmilk> Kashout,  Then try rm -r '..'
[00:36] <Ben64> made a file called .. ?
[00:37] <electricmilk> include the single quotes
[00:37] <TJ-> Kashout: how about "ls -A" which doesn't show the regular "." or ".."
[00:37] <Kashout> electricmilk: rm -r '..' hangs, rm -rv '..' shows it recursively opening the containing folder.
[00:37] <electricmilk> Ah crap...file .. will always show as "directory"
[00:37] <TJ-> Kashout: also, compare the inode numbers with "ls -i" - if they are the same you've got a corrupted directory
[00:38] <electricmilk> because ".." is a directory that takes you back a directory
[00:38] <electricmilk> Kashout,  Then I'm still thinking .. isn't a folder...
[00:38] <hello_kitty> i have an ssh key in text on windows... im trying to add it to an ubuntu server that already has some ssh keys on it (using putty). How do I paste/append this key on into there? :D   (im not worried about messing up, this is a freshly created server which exists just for learning to do this)
[00:38] <electricmilk> One period (.) means this directory. Two periods (..) mean the parent directory.
[00:39] <Kashout> TJ-: inode numbers of what? the .. directory and the containing directory?
[00:39] <mascaqui> But its not supposed to take you unless you type cd
[00:39] <TJ-> Kashout: of both  the ".." entries
[00:39] <electricmilk> Kashout, What about in your GUI file manager/explorer?  Do you see the directory named ..?
[00:40] <Kashout> Yes.
[00:40] <Kashout> TJ-: 27262977 for the containing folder, 27263492 for the ..
[00:41] <TJ-> Kashout: are you able to show us: "pastebinit <( ls -i | hexdump -C)" ?
[00:41] <TJ-> Kashout: make that "ls -ai"
[00:41] <TJ-> Kashout: are you able to show us: "pastebinit <( ls -ai | hexdump -C)" ?
[00:42] <Kashout> I will.
[00:43]  * TJ- wonders if there's some overlayfs magic going on here, otherwise it must be UTF characters that look like the ASCII dot, or corruption
[00:43] <Ben64> i can't make a file with 0x0a
[00:44] <electricmilk> Good point Ben64.  I can't either.  mkdir: cannot create directory ‘..’: File exists
[00:44] <hello_kitty> what ab out...  echo 'pasted my key in here' >> ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub    will that add my key?
[00:45] <Ben64> electricmilk: well that isn't 0x0a
[00:45] <hello_kitty> would be nice if i could create the file if it doesnt exist or append to it if it does
[00:46] <hello_kitty> or anything really that i can do via a bash script with the key pasted in there
[00:46] <electricmilk> hello_kitty,  >> will create a file if it doesn't exist. If the file does exist it will indeed append
[00:46] <Kashout> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26218218/
[00:46] <electricmilk> hello_kitty,  > will create a file or will overwrite the file if it exists
[00:46] <hello_kitty> thanks electricmilk . do you happen to know if a buncha of keys appended one after another is a valid format for id_rsa.pub?
[00:47] <electricmilk> hello_kitty,  one sec
[00:48] <Kashout> Ben64: regular commands were not used though.
[00:48] <Kashout> I said earlier the drive was modified with a hex editor.
[00:48] <Ben64> Kashout: i'm not using regular commands
[00:48] <electricmilk> hello_kitty,  My file has a bunch of keys each on its own line
[00:49] <Vysty> TJ-: Still awake?
[00:49] <electricmilk> Vysty,  What's the problem you are having?
[00:49] <hello_kitty> electricmilk: that's how mine looks too. So if I wanted to do that via a script I guess i have to see if the file exists and if it does pure a newline in there
[00:49] <TJ-> Vysty: yeah :s
[00:49] <tsarompy> goddamn pulseaudio >:|
[00:49] <Vysty> TJ-: Rufus worked.
[00:50] <Vysty> TJ-: Recognized and able to install.
[00:50] <TJ-> Kashout: thanks for the pastebin, that's ... interesting!
[00:50] <electricmilk> hello_kitty,  if you use echo >> file  it will create the file if it doesn't exist.
[00:50] <Vysty> Although I just remembered I forgot to checksum it. Don't that now.
[00:50] <Vysty> Doing that now*
[00:50] <electricmilk> hello_kitty,  Go ahead and test it.  Go to a random folder and type: echo "test123" >> test.txt
[00:50] <electricmilk> hello_kitty,  Notice how it will create the test.txt file
[00:51] <electricmilk> hello_kitty,  Now go ahead and type: echo "test555" >> test.txt
[00:51] <hello_kitty> electricmilk: but if it *does* exist, i think i need to echo a newline in there before adding another key...maybe (i have a fresh machine to test it on if it breaks)
[00:51] <electricmilk> hello_kitty,  Notice how both lines exist
[00:51] <hello_kitty> oh  hm
[00:51] <electricmilk> hello_kitty,  >> appends but will create a new file if it doesn't exist
[00:51] <Ben64> so its not 0a, it's 2e
[00:51] <electricmilk> hello_kitty,  Just don't use >
[00:52] <TJ-> Ben64: yes, ASCII dot's all the way
[00:52] <Ben64> could maybe remove by inode?
[00:53] <electricmilk> 2e = 00101110 = 46 = .
[00:53] <TJ-> Ben64: yes, but if it's a mask to a proper directory it could delete something important
[00:53] <hello_kitty> thanks electricmilk !
[00:53] <Ben64> use the same method to rename?
[00:53] <electricmilk> hello_kitty,  No problem
[00:53] <Vysty> TJ-: Once I've made my bootable USB disk with Rufus, which file am I supposed to run checksum on?
[00:53] <TJ-> Ben64: Kashout I'd recommend you try to rename it to a safe name first, explore it, THEN decide whether to delete
[00:54] <Kashout> It used to be the src folder for something I compiled.
[00:54] <Vysty> electricmilk: Sorry I didn't response before. Doing 3 things at once. I'm reinstalling ubuntu and have been having some issues. Trying to double-check everything I'm doing every step of the way.
[00:54] <TJ-> Vysty: generally, you checksum the ISO file immediately after download, before writing to USB, and you did that earlier
[00:54] <Vysty> TJ-: Whew, okay.
[00:54] <Vysty> Good.
[00:54] <TJ-> Vysty: :)
[00:54] <electricmilk> Vysty,  What issues?
[00:55] <Vysty> electricmilk: Mostly me just knowing enough to get myself into trouble.
[00:55] <Vysty> and me being pissed off/frustrated/impatient because I tried to upgrade my system and crashed my computer, so I get to spend my afternoon reinstalling and restoring backups. :/
[00:56] <Vysty> TJ-: Okay, I'm in the installation phase. Two options: "Download Updates while Installing Ubuntu" and "Install 3rd party software for graphics and WIFI and other media"
[00:56] <Vysty> Yes to both?
[00:57] <TJ-> Vysty: Yes, because the installer had a bug which does it anyhow :D
[00:57] <Ben64> i've done it
[00:57] <TJ-> Ben64: ?
[00:57] <Ben64> but it got weird
[00:58] <Ben64> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26218270/
[00:58] <TJ-> Ben64: I thought some construct around 'echo -e "\x2e\x2e" ' would work
[00:58] <Vysty> TJ-: Now I have two options. Erase Ubuntu or Erase disk. Erase Ubuntu sounds easier.
[00:59] <TJ-> Ben64: but you have the same inode numbers there?
[00:59] <Ben64> yeah thats the weird part
[00:59] <Vysty> TJ-: If I choose erase Ubuntu, I don't have to deal with any partioning, right?
[00:59] <TJ-> Vysty: yes
[00:59] <Ben64> it was inode 13 before i messed with it
[00:59] <TJ-> Ben64: what command did you apply to it?
[00:59] <Ben64> used a hex editor
[00:59] <Vysty> God damn I hope I did backups right.
[01:00] <TJ-> Ben64: well that's cheating :D
[01:00] <Ben64> that's what Kashout said happened
[01:00] <TJ-> Ben64: but explains why the inode numbers are so low!
[01:00] <Kashout> That is what happened.
[01:00] <TJ-> Ben64: did he? I didn't see that!
[01:00] <Ben64> yeah made a new filesystem and loop mounted it
[01:00] <Ben64> because i'm not about to hexedit my stuff :)
[01:00] <TJ-> Kashout: oh, in that case it counts as corruption since it is illegal
[01:01] <Kashout> So what do I do?
[01:01] <Ben64> i'd say make a backup, then hex edit it back
[01:01] <TJ-> Ben64: right ... but my point is in a large file system it's harder to locate/change via a hexedit
[01:01] <Ben64> or.... see if fsck can fix it
[01:01] <Ben64> then punch whoever did it
[01:01] <TJ-> Ben64: Yes, I think so
[01:01] <Kashout> Would it be better to copy out my data and reformat?
[01:01] <TJ-> ^^^ fsck ^^^^ not punch
[01:02] <TJ-> Kashout: why? for 2 bytes?!
[01:03] <TJ-> Kashout: try unmounting the file-system and then running "fsck -f" on it
[01:03] <TJ-> Kashout: if that doesn't work we can create a script to do it via the brute-force method
[01:03] <Ben64> Entry '..' in .../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../.. (12) is duplicate '..' entry.
[01:03] <Ben64> heh.
[01:04] <Ben64> Unconnected directory inode 13 (/test/???)
[01:04] <Ben64> so that might mess stuff up in that dir
[01:04] <TJ-> Ben64: unless we create another link to it
[01:05] <TJ-> Ben64: ca't hard-link it so would need to be creative
[01:05] <Ben64> true, and also Kashout's has different inodes
[01:05] <Kashout> As long as the damage is contained in that directory it won't cause me any issues.
[01:05] <Ben64> backup anyway
[01:05] <TJ-> Kashout: yeah, back-up and then try fsck
[01:06] <TJ-> It would be simply to write a small C program that accesses the dirent itself and corrects it
[01:06] <Vysty> TJ-: While you're still up and I'm waiting for this to install, have you heard of the bluetooth ubuntu issue? "Bastien's Computer"?
[01:06] <TJ-> Vysty: BT has generally been very good for me
[01:07] <electricmilk> Kashout, this may seem retaded but have you tried typing ls -l...finding the directory and just copying the '..
[01:07] <electricmilk> Kashout, Then just paste in rm -r ?
[01:07] <Vysty> What started this whole crap for me is I bought a new speaker with bluetooth capabilities. IT worked fine for a few days then one day it couldn't sync up (yesterday). I read up about it to try to fix it, and a lot of recommendations pointed to 17.10 as "fixing the bluetooth problem".
[01:07] <Ben64> oh it put /lost+found/#13 for me
[01:07] <Ben64> probably won't lose any data (still backup though)
[01:07] <Vysty> TJ-: The next day when I tried to "fix the problem" my computer crashed and here I am.
[01:08] <Kashout> Ok, here we go.
[01:08] <TJ-> Vysty: Bastin Nocera, one of the RedHat bluetooth devs
[01:09] <Vysty> yea that name popped up
[01:09] <TJ-> s/Bastin/Bastien/
[01:09] <Vysty> Anyway, was wondering if you knew anything about the bluetooth issue, because I'm wondering if I'm going to run into it again.
[01:10] <TJ-> Vysty: I fixed an issue with PIN codes recently with older Apple keyboards, using bletoothctl (the CLI) usually it helps to delete/remove the device and re-pair/re-trust
[01:11] <Vysty> TJ-: Great. IF you're still around when I"m done and still have the issue... I Would appreciate your help with that.
[01:14] <Kashout> Hmm.
[01:14] <Kashout> That didn't turn out well.
[01:14] <Kashout> There was a lot of messages and then a lengthy segfault.
[01:15] <Kashout> I'll re-format to be on the safe side.
[01:15] <TJ-> Ouch!
[01:15] <Vysty> TJ-: Okay, I'm on a working system downloading the backup software. I'm about to click the Restore button.
[01:15] <Vysty> Anything I should know before moving forward?
[01:15] <TJ-> Ben64: I think I'm going to create a tool to re-write dirents, just due to this!
[01:16] <TJ-> Vysty: might be worth doing "sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade" just in case
[01:17] <TJ-> Vysty: also, do you need to enable additional software repositories? universe, multiverse, restricted, partner, -proposed ?
[01:17] <Vysty> TJ-: Hell if I remember.
[01:18] <Vysty> TJ-: What do you recommend?
[01:18] <TJ-> Vysty: if you can't find some software you want to install, assume it's in one of those addtional repo components and enable it then.
[01:18] <Vysty> TJ-: Should I worry about that before restoring my backup?
[01:19] <TJ-> Vysty: you can find out on here with a bot command !info <package>
[01:19] <TJ-> Vysty: No, not if the backup is just your user data
[01:19] <Vysty> TJ-: Cool. It's going through a crazy update right now from the sudo apt upgrade
[01:19] <TJ-> Vysty: bringing the system right up to date
[01:20] <Vysty> yup!
[01:28] <Vysty> TJ-: When I do this restore, is the "Backup Location" where I'm pulling the data from or where I'm sending it to?
[01:28] <TJ-> Vysty: not sure as I don't know what you're using!
[01:28] <Vysty> TJ-: The program is just called "Backups"
[01:28] <TJ-> Vysty: I'd assume it'd be the source, and Restore location would be the destination
[01:29] <TJ-> Vysty: generally tools will ask for the source first, then the destination
[01:29] <Vysty> My two options for folders are "Backup location" and "Folder"
[01:29] <Vysty> And it asks "RESTORE FROM WHERE?"  It's restoring.
[01:42] <Vysty> Thanks so much for your help and patience.
[01:42] <Vysty> Usually by the time I get in here it's because I'm so frustrated I'm about to start breaking shit.
[01:49] <th3_dudasodnmpas> Hello, can someone tell me why hexchat keep sending me notifications?
[01:49] <th3_dudasodnmpas> even though is disabled?
[01:50] <TJ-> Vysty: in future come here FIRST before reading forums!
[01:51] <cliff1245> Where would I find where a device is mounted in Ubuntu 16.04?
[01:51] <TJ-> cliff1245: "mount" ?
[01:53] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> Hello?
[01:53] <Vysty> TJ-: I did. NO one was here. :/
[01:53] <andywork> asd
[01:53] <TJ-> Vysty: sometimes we sleep :)
[01:53] <Vysty> TJ-: Or, I should be more specific, no one answered my questions.
[01:53] <TJ-> Speaking of which ...!
[01:53] <TJ-> I really need to get some
[01:54] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> Hello, can someone tell me why hexchat keep sending me notifications?
[01:55] <cliff1245> If I bought a western digital 4TB hard drive, would i have to reformat it to add it to ubuntu server?
[02:05] <j3n0v4> Hello Everyone.
[02:07] <Mathisen> hello
[02:07] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> H3ll0_fr13nd.
[02:07] <j3n0v4> Pleasure to meet you all. I'm new to IRC in general.
[02:07] <Mathisen> th3_g3ntl3m3n, what kind of notifications and #freenode is a better channel for that
[02:12] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> The app just keep sending me notification about the message of the chat even though it is closed.
[02:12] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> But nevermind and thanks for the channel.
[02:34] <j3n0v4> Going to attempt to install Ubuntu 17.10 on my Laptop again. My laptop has an Nvidia 960M. I hope to have better luck this time.
[02:37] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | j3n0v4
[02:41] <robozi> Tatertots
[02:41] <j3n0v4> For my installation I am going to use "nomodeset i915_bpo.nomodeset=1 quiet splash" for my laptop. Confirming this with you guys. This correct?
[03:16] <mutantturkey> hi all... having a problem on ubuntu server after a reboot
[03:17] <mutantturkey> essentially - my ethernet keeps changing names... so my /etc/network/interfaces file doesn't always work
[03:17] <mutantturkey> anyway for me to make this stop changing or just use eth0?
[03:28] <dax> mutantturkey: do the various names that it's switching between start with en?
[03:31] <dax> mutantturkey: either way, to use eth0 you'd add net.ifnames=0 to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line in /etc/default/grub (put it inside the "quote marks", so it might look like e.g. GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash net.ifnames=0"). Then, run sudo update-grub
[03:31] <dax> mutantturkey: but it shouldn't be changing like that in the first place, so I'm worried that if you do that it'll just start switching between eth0, eth1, etc.
[03:32] <viju> Hi, is there something broken in ubuntu 16.04 updates? Whenever I close the lid I get a authentication screen different from the usual one and it doesn't show my username, only password field along with two other buttons are  there - unlock and switch user which again don't work.
[03:38] <mutantturkey> dax: i did  do that...
[03:38] <mutantturkey> and it didn't effect the name
[03:38] <mutantturkey> oh nvm
[03:39] <mutantturkey>  GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line in /etc/default/grub <<< thoughtt it just read my env variable when i rand update grub
[03:39] <dax> yeah, you need to actually put it in the file
[03:39] <dax> and then reboot, obviously
[03:39] <dax> now, to be fair, I haven't done this in 3 years, so...
[03:39] <mutantturkey> yeah
[03:39] <mutantturkey> me neither
[03:39] <mutantturkey> never ran into a system with this issue, though i am  familair with the network interface file
[03:58] <toothe> Anyone here running systemtap?
[04:01] <skweek> am installing it now to play with it :-)
[04:08] <RoboApe> hi everyone
[04:08] <RoboApe>  just installed a GPU driver, but I keep getting this error: "DRM version is 2.50.0 but this driver is only compatible with 3.x.x.
[04:08] <RoboApe> Segmentation fault"
[04:08] <RoboApe> anyone know how to fix it?
[04:08] <toothe> Hi Doctor Nick!
[04:08] <toothe> out of my domain, sorry.
[04:09] <RoboApe> :(
[04:11] <skweek> does systemtap work?
[04:11] <toothe> I came in for that same question :)
[04:11] <toothe> I left Ubuntu because systemtap didn't work on Ubuntu.
[04:11] <toothe> but, I really want to go back.
[04:12] <skweek> RoboApe: lshw -c video
[04:13] <skweek> check the loaded driver, configuration: drive = i915
[04:14] <skweek> while you're at it, open up an askubuntu.com ticket and copy/paste the *-display down to resources into it for your notes to publish a post if need be
[04:17] <toothe> skweek: are you using systemtap?
[04:17] <RoboApe> @skweek WARNING: you should run this program as super-user.
[04:17] <RoboApe>   *-display
[04:17] <RoboApe>        description: VGA compatible controller
[04:17] <RoboApe>        product: Tahiti PRO [Radeon HD 7950/8950 OEM / R9 280]
[04:17] <RoboApe>        vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
[04:17] <RoboApe>        physical id: 0
[04:21] <skweek> toothe: I wanted to see what it did, I couldn't call it from the cli or find a desktop file, or even a man entry after installing it...
[04:22] <toothe> ahh
[04:22] <toothe> it'll likely install, but not work.
[04:24] <skweek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Systemtap looks like its useful
[04:36] <j3n0v4> Hello again all.
[04:38] <j3n0v4> I got Ubuntu 17.10 installed and its running decent so far. It won't reboot/shutdown tho. I get this error.
[04:38] <j3n0v4> /var/log/syslog:Dec 19 22:30:40 javier-Inspiron-7559 systemd[1]: Received SIGRTMIN+20 from PID 358 (plymouthd).
[04:39] <j3n0v4> Looks like its a known issue. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1730680
[04:48] <rolle> Anyone care to help?
[04:48] <rolle> My libssl is broken
[04:48] <rolle> Should not have, but compiled it from source other day back
[04:48] <rolle> ~$ ssh -v
[04:48] <rolle> ssh: /usr/local/lib/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: version `OPENSSL_1.0.1' not found (required by ssh)
[04:48] <rolle> ssh: /usr/local/lib/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: version `OPENSSL_1.0.0' not found (required by ssh)
[04:48] <rolle> Any tips?
[04:48] <rolle> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[04:54] <j3n0v4> Why are you still on ubuntu 14.04?
[04:55] <skweek> j3n0v4: sometimes configuration needs?
[04:56] <rolle> That's not the point right now
[05:01] <preyalone> in expect, does set timeout change the behavior of each expect statement, or just the final expect eof?
[05:22] <NyanCat> So uh, trying to boot Ubuntu mate from a USB drive....
[05:22] <NyanCat> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZBvwKVzK/IMG_1864.JPG
[05:22] <NyanCat> Should I call an exorcist?
[05:30] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | NyanCat
[05:33] <NyanCat> Bashing-om: that was done already
[05:34] <NyanCat> The funny thing is, I believe I ran into this exact same issue when I tested Fedora out
[05:35] <NyanCat> And for the life of me I can’t remember what the solution is, though I reckon it had something to do with my graphics card or something
[05:39] <Bashing-om> NyanCat: Well, need a firm foundation to base any explorations on . Did you also " check disk for defects " in the installer's boot menu ?
[05:41] <Vysty> I just reinstalled 16.04 and my Ubuntu GUI has changed. Where can I go to see and/or adjust my GUI options?
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: you need to change the theme?
[05:43] <alkisg> Good morning all
[05:43] <Vysty> lotuspsychje: I think so?
[05:43] <RoboApe> Anyone know of any AMD GPU proprietary drivers that work for Ubuntu 17.10 ?
[05:43] <Vysty> I don't remember what I did last time, but my GUI/theme is definitely different after reinstalling.
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: try unity-tweak-tool for fast change theme
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: 16.04 reinstall to 16.04 should be the same look? unless you changed themes yourself?
[05:44] <Vysty> lotuspsychje: That's exactly what went through my head.
[05:44] <Vysty> I don't remember what I did.
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: thats not gonna be handy to regain :p
[05:45] <Vysty> lotuspsychje: Tell me about it. I'm poking around google and here to see if I see a word that jogs my meory.
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: perhaps go tru the existing themes in unity-tweak-tool
[05:45] <Vysty> memory*
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> !themes | Vysty or look around here
[05:46] <Vysty> I do remember this: there was an "applications" in the upper left corner, and if I hovered my mouse there, a new screen would pop up where I could see all my open programs, work stations, and I could search through my programs.
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: are you sure your not on 17.10 now, cause that would surely give you a total new look
[05:46] <Vysty> And I'm pretty sure I didn't use the unity-tweak-tool.
[05:46] <Vysty> Positive.
[05:47] <Vysty> It's 16.04.
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> kk
[05:47] <Vysty> lotuspsychje: Now all my apps are on the task manager bar on the left side of the screen, kinda like a Mac bar.
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: ah you want dock at bottom?
[05:47] <Vysty> lotuspsychje: Nah, don't want any dock.
[05:48] <Vysty> I had it before where I would just hover over applications and search for something if I wanted it.
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: did you have unity right?
[05:48] <Vysty> I thought it was the new Unity.
[05:48] <Vysty> Because I remember when I first installed 16.04 I was like, "What the hell is this?!?!"
[05:48] <Vysty> But then I got used it it. It was pretty clean.
[05:49] <segersjerry> Hi, I installed caja (mate file manager) on a 17.10 box (default file manager nautilus.) This somehow broke nautilus so that double clicking the desktop icons does not start nautilus. I have already uninstalled caja and force reinstalled nautilus. Any help?
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: this all sounds like gnome2 classic or so?
[05:49] <Vysty> No... definitely wasn't gnome. Unless there is a new gnome style.
[05:49] <Bashing-om> RoboApe: All of the AMD drivers are now open source based . later generation cards do support a proprietary overlay however .
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: unity on xenial didnt change
[05:50] <Vysty> What other options are there?
[05:50] <Vysty> Like I just reinstalled today. It's not like I'm reaching into distant memory here.
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: there is an indicator you can install to quick launch apps from top bar
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> !info classicmenu-indicator | Vysty
[05:51] <Vysty> damn, it totally wasn't Gnome.
[05:51] <Vysty> I used Gnome for a long time.
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: but that will make it show at right upper corner
[05:51] <Vysty> And I was annoyed when it changed to this new thing (that I thought was Unity).
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: its not 'activities' button you had in left upper corner?
[05:51] <Vysty> ...maybe?
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: when pressing it shows all your open programs?
[05:52] <Vysty> Yes.
[05:52] <Vysty> Didn't even need to press, just hover.
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: thats 100% gnome my friend
[05:52] <Vysty> Well holy balls.
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: perhaps you came from 16.04 gnome?
[05:52] <Vysty> lotuspsychje: Must have. how do I get me some of that again?
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: well there are different options now
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> or you install 16.04 gnome and wait for 18.04 LTS
[05:53] <Vysty> I just crashed my computer trying to upgrade to 17.04.
[05:53] <Vysty> Thus the 16.04 reinstall.
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: or you try 17.10 non-lts with gnome by default + wayland and wait for 18.04 LTS
[05:53] <Vysty> so I'll be staying with 16.04 until 18.04.
[05:54] <Vysty> Spent all day remembering how to reinstall and restore my files.
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: you can also install gnome-shell from your existing setup, but i would not reccomend
[05:55] <Vysty> lotuspsychje: What do you recommend?
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: my goal are different from yours mate, i help bug out 17.10 and 18.04 in early stage..whats your end goal?
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: you need stable LTS or experiment non-lts/ help community?
[05:57] <Vysty> End goal: working computer with very few bugs.
[05:57] <Vysty> Stable LTS.
[05:58] <Vysty> I'll be totally happy with my 16.04. In fact I'll get used to Unity if I have to, but I would prefer to not have to re-learn where to click everything if IC an.
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: then go back to 16.04.3 gnome and wait for 18.04.1
[05:58] <Vysty> if I can*
[05:58] <Vysty> Great. What's the best way to get Gnome back up and running without screwing stuff up?
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: well gnome has taken over on ubuntu for now,
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: dont waste time, just clean install
[05:59] <Vysty> UNGH I just spent the whole damn day doing that.
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: ubuntu installs in 30min?
[05:59] <Vysty> Don't I have to restore my files?
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: i dont know what you are doing, tell me about it?
[06:00] <Vysty> And it took me all day because I didn't remember how to do it, and I had to spend my time in here waiting for people to help me.
[06:01] <Vysty> lotuspsychje: I reinstalled 16.04 today because my computer crashed when I tried to upgrade to 17.04. When I reinstalled, I had to wipe my computer because it was all messed up from the upgrade crash. Now that I'm back where I'm started (with my files successfully restored), I would like to have Gnome again so I don't have to relearn using my system.
[06:01] <Vysty> Now, in order to do that, do I need to wipe and reinstall the whole thing?
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: what files? data or packages?
[06:01] <Vysty> data
[06:02] <Vysty> Pictures, writing, spreadsheets, videos.
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: first of all, always have a backup of your data
[06:02] <Vysty> I do.
[06:02] <Vysty> I backed it up before I upgraded.
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: very good, now clean install ubuntu gnome 16.04.3 and put back your data in /home if you like
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: perhaps ubuntu setup might ask to preserve your /home also
[06:04] <Vysty> lotuspsychje: When was I supposed to choose to have gnome? When I downloaded the 16.04 ISO?
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | Vysty yes
[06:04] <Vysty> God dammit.
[06:05] <JoshuaD_> You can change now
[06:05] <JoshuaD_> it won't be quite as cohesive, but you can do it
[06:05] <Vysty> JoshuaD: What does "won't be quite as cohesive" mean?
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: plz keep the language polite here
[06:06] <Vysty> lotuspsychje: My apologies. I'm not swearing at you. I'm cursing my lack of foresight.
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: try to do offline :p
[06:06] <Vysty> lotuspsychje: I did. That's why I'm in this mess in the first place.
[06:06] <Vysty> When I try to do something on my own I screw it up then I come crawling in here to fix it.
[06:07] <JoshuaD> Vysty, You can install 80% of the packages with one apt call and then try that desktop instead, but to make vanilla Ubuntu into exactly Ubuntu Gnome will take more work, and probably not worth the effort
[06:07] <JoshuaD> If you've only just installed Ubuntu, and know for sure you prefer Gnome, then I'd just download the image and reinstall
[06:08] <JoshuaD> If you're not sure and want to try a few different desktop environments before settling in, you can just install it and try it
[06:08] <Vysty> And I don't know if I don't speak Linux or if I just don't know what I'm doing, but whenever I come here it's like a battle to communicate what I want to do.
[06:08] <JoshuaD> i believe `apt install ubuntu-gnome-desktop` will give you enough to see if you like it.
[06:08] <Vysty> I thought I was done after the successful reinstall and now there's a suggestion of doing it again and... I'm frustrated.
[06:09] <JoshuaD> yea, if you really don't want to reinstall, run that apt command
[06:09] <Vysty> JoshuaD: When you say "probably not worth the effort", what does that mean?
[06:09] <Vysty> Like, what are the things I will actually notice when using my computer if I do run the apt command vs. reinstalling?
[06:09] <JoshuaD> that it would take longer to turn vanilla ubuntu into exactly ubuntu gnome package-by-package than it would to just download the image and reinstall
[06:10] <Vysty> JoshuaD: You mean longer install time/
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: i always install clean, then in one command reinstall everything: sudo apt install vlc rar preload pan clementine....
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: updates enabled during setup= 30min i got it all
[06:11] <JoshuaD> Vysty, You'll be fine doing the apt install i said above. You probably won't notice anything different but the lack of branding on boot up and shut down.
[06:11] <JoshuaD> choose gdm3 when it asks you which display manager to use.
[06:12] <Vysty> JoshuaD: If I run that command, am I permanently switching from unity to gnome, or will I have the option between the two?
[06:12] <JoshuaD> you can switch between the two. There should be a dropdown menu at your login screen
[06:12] <JoshuaD> You can also change the display manager with uh, dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 iirc
[06:13] <JoshuaD> Really the display manager doesn't matter very much unless you're really particular. lightdm and gdm3 are both fine
[06:13] <Vysty> JoshuaD: Alright... my apologies for being so hesitant, but is there anything I need to watch out for or anything that can crash by running that command?
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: thats also a risk unity fighting with gnome packages
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> Vysty: if gnome it is you really need, i reccomend clean install
[06:14] <JoshuaD> I share that recommendation.
[06:14] <JoshuaD> Vysty, not that i'm aware of. Maybe gdm3 won't be able to configure correctly and you'll get dumped to a terminal without gui access
[06:14] <JoshuaD> if that happens, you can dpkg-reconfigure lightdm and choose lightdm instead of gdm3 at the prompt, then restart
[06:15] <JoshuaD> i'm sure other stuff could go wrong. I've done it a lot though. On Ubuntu Gnome I installed pretty much every other desktop system and tried tehm
[06:15] <JoshuaD> *them
[06:15] <Vysty> ...I think I'm going to run it tomorrow when I have more energy.
[06:16] <JoshuaD> I had kde, xfce, i3, gnome3, unity, and lxde all installed
[06:16] <JoshuaD> it was kind of messy, but w/e. I got to play w/ them until I figured out which ones I liked and then did a fresh install
[06:16] <JoshuaD> i think it was like that for 6 months nbd
[06:17] <JoshuaD> anyway, i'm off. Good luck. :)
[06:18] <Vysty> JoshuaD: I appreciate your input. Thank you.
[06:19] <JoshuaD> No problem.  Btw if you don't change your display manager -- if you choose lightdm when prompted -- I don't think anything will go wrong. It's the same as installing other programs.
[06:20] <JoshuaD> Of course stuff tends to break when you're off the beaten path, but the only place that jumps out at me as a potential break point is the display manager, so if you leave that alone I dunno, I wouldn't be worried.
[06:31] <mgwolff> hello! anyone here with their BIOS clock set to local time, who could run this command: $ dmesg | grep UTC and let me know the output?
[06:31] <alkisg> mgwolff:  [    0.733886] rtc_cmos 00:02: setting system clock to 2017-12-20 05:38:48 UTC<PHONE_NUMBER>)
[06:31] <alkisg> I *think* I have it set to local time, not 100% sure :)
[06:32] <tsarompy> ┌  00:31:28 doctor@tardis                                          /home/doctor
[06:32] <tsarompy> └ dmesg | grep UTC
[06:32] <tsarompy> [    0.000000] Linux version 4.13.0-21-generic (buildd@lgw01-amd64-037) (gcc version 7.2.0 (Ubuntu 7.2.0-8ubuntu3)) #24-Ubuntu SMP Mon Dec 18 17:29:16 UTC 2017
[06:32] <tsarompy> (Ubuntu 4.13.0-21.24-generic 4.13.13)
[06:32] <tsarompy> [    4.828374] rtc_cmos 00:00: setting system clock to 2017-12-20 02:21:52 UTC<PHONE_NUMBER>)
[06:32] <mgwolff> alkisg, thank you. Is that time correct in UTC? or is it maybe your local time?
[06:33] <tsarompy> what u worried bout UTC for dawg
[06:33] <tsarompy> aint u runnin ntpd
[06:33] <mgwolff> tsarompy, I am, but at every start, before ntpd runs, my system clock is wrong and there are errors about it
[06:34] <mgwolff> for me, the dmesg shows "UTC" but the time displayed is actually localtime
[06:34] <tsarompy> what do you have set for tzdata
[06:34] <alkisg> mgwolff: that time there is in UTC, not in local time
[06:35] <alkisg> mgwolff: output of this? timedatectl  | grep TZ
[06:35] <mgwolff> alkisg, I do not actually use Ubuntu, tbh. so I don't use systemd / timedatectl
[06:36] <mgwolff> thank you for the info though, that makes things a bit more clear for me
[07:46] <Haris> hello all
[07:47] <Haris> how do I stop cron logging from going to auth.log ? limit it to only go to cron.log or /var/log/syslog file only
[07:51] <Haris> I enabled cron.* line in /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default, restarted rsyslog, but its still sending cron log to /var/log/auth.log
[08:05] <Haris> guys ?
[08:05] <EriC^^> *cricket*
[08:07] <alkisg> Haris: is it cron log, or cron authentication log?
[08:07] <Haris> looks to me like regular cron log
[08:07] <alkisg> Haris: the "cron login as root" should get logged in auth.log, wouldn't it?
[08:07] <Haris> nope ?
[08:07] <alkisg> Dec 17 12:17:01 alkis CRON[29959]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
[08:08] <alkisg> This line needs to be in auth.log, as cron "logged in" to run things
[08:08] <alkisg> But the output of cron of course isn't there
[08:08] <Haris> this line repeats every min or for every run of cron. mostly its in-consequential. its just filling up log
[08:09] <alkisg> It's not a log of cron, but a log of pam
[08:09] <Haris> I needed to check ssh auth log
[08:09] <alkisg> You're looking at the wrong place to disable it
[08:10] <Haris> hmm
[08:10] <adac> https://i.imgur.com/s2T7xra.png This is the outout I get for a ubuntu server running with proxmox. Unfortunately there is no output in the log file but this I can see with proxmox VNC console
[08:10] <adac> any ideas what this error might be?
[08:12] <adac> happens on 14.04
[08:36] <czart_> Hi guys! How to switch to root permanently, without need to use every time "sudo"?
[08:38] <ducasse> czart_: use 'sudo -i'
[08:39] <czart_> ducasse: Many thanks.
[08:52] <alkisg> Haris: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1256801
[09:58] <Haris> hmm
[10:08] <berkoart> hello
[10:13] <fishcooker> 2
[10:21] <Zak> how are distributions like Xubuntu, Lubuntu, etc created from Ubuntu? Are they building on top of Ubuntu server?
[10:22] <TJ-> Zak: usually on ubuntu-minimal I think
[10:23] <alkisg> Zak: it's not based only on package dependencies. See seeds: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[10:24] <alkisg> Zak: specific example for mate 16.04: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu-mate.xenial/live
[10:24] <Zak> thank you TJ- & alkisg
[10:25] <alkisg> np
[10:28] <neure> hi
[10:28] <neure> alt-tab is kind of slow to respond on 16.04
[10:28] <neure> is there anything I could do to make it faster?
[10:33] <fmntf> hi, anyone is having ssl cert issues on ubuntu 14.04?
[10:33] <fmntf>  curling against google.com returns "curl: (60) SSL certificate problem: certificate has expired"
[10:33] <fmntf> apt says "server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none"
[10:33] <fmntf> i have reinstalled ca-certificates, reconfigured it, ran update-ca-certificates.. nothing changes
[10:33] <Zak> fmntf: check your system date
[10:34] <Zak> that can often cause issues with SSL
[10:34] <jink> Works fine on my 14.04.
[10:34] <jink> curl -L https://google.com/
[10:35] <fmntf> damn! you are right! :-)
[10:35] <fmntf> thank you so much
[10:35] <savastano> hello
[10:36] <savastano>  i tried to install kali tools on my main machine ubuntu 16.04. in the proccess i added kali source to /etc/apt/sources.list and after i installed the tools i forgot to remove kali from source list and did update && upgrade & dist-upgrade   and now when i boot the system use the kali GRUB and my system dont function well. please what to do??
[10:37] <alkisg> !purge-ppa
[10:37] <alkisg> I'm not sure if that works against other, non-ppa sources
[10:43] <savastano> how to know what is the reppository name and subdirectory i should to purge?
[10:43] <TJ-> savastano: undo the edits to sources.list, return to a virgin Ubuntu version (see /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list) then "sudo apt update" to begin using the Ubuntu repo again. From there you'll likely have to replace any packages installed from the Kali repo
[10:45] <savastano> TJ- i allready changed the sources list and updated... what to do next step by step?
[10:46] <TJ-> savastano: what was the URL of the kali repo ? You can search for that in the installed package lists
[10:47] <savastano> how to open installed package list?
[10:48] <m3rlin> savastano: dpkg -l
[10:49] <m3rlin> savastano: if you need file .txt you can type like this: dpkg -l >> logs.txt
[10:53] <TJ-> savastano: You'll need to parse, or manually extract data, from /var/log/apt/history.log
[10:54] <TJ-> savastano: or /var/log/apt/term.log - identifying packages fetched from kali repo, then for each "apt-get --reinstall install <package>" to ensure the Ubuntu versions are installed
[10:55] <frickler> I'm trying to install 16.04.3 on an acer notebook, but it keeps freezing during grub install. mixed install together with the preinstalled win10. same behaviour when running boot-repair. any idea how to further debug this?
[10:57] <savastano> is it possible to do all of this from synaptic gui?
[10:57] <savastano> synaptic pachagemanager
[10:59] <m3rlin> savastano, it can
[10:59] <m3rlin> frickler, had you try disable secure boot?
[11:00] <savastano> just delete everythink i see assosiated with kali from synaptic installed packages?
[11:01] <MacroMan> Can anyone remember what the gnome extension is that moves the little panel at the bottom left to the top bar?
[11:01] <MacroMan> Or what the little panel is called so I can just google it?
[11:03] <Tin_man> MacroMan, is it the gnome tweak tool?
[11:06] <MacroMan> Tin_man: I can't find anything in that tool to do it
[11:07] <Tin_man> i was looking myself, don't see it.
[11:07] <MacroMan> I can hide it, but I still need access to the icons. I know something exists as I used to have it on a previous install
[11:07] <j0rd> dash to dock?
[11:07] <MacroMan> AH Legacy Tray!
[11:08] <MacroMan> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1031/topicons/ is the one.
[11:09] <Tin_man> ok, i'll keep that in mind
[11:09] <MacroMan> Thanks for your time anyway.
[11:11] <Tin_man> np
[11:16] <frickler> m3rlin: yes, that was the first thing that boot-repair suggested, but didn't avoid the lockup
[11:18] <whaley> MacroMan: yup - topicons plus is the one I use and it does the trick nicely.
[11:19]  * MacroMan gives a thumbs up
[11:26] <savastano> how i can searc packages by their source link?
[11:27] <m3rlin> savastano: apt-cache search packagename
[11:29] <savastano> search by source url
[11:51] <j0rd> can anyone tell me what i need to install into 17.10 to get network manager team interfaces to work?  This is what I got, respectively : https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/95726028080545792/392939508590575616/IMG_20171220_022056_HDR.jpg https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/95726028080545792/392948205949812736/IMG_20171220_025454_HDR.jpg
[14:27] <Visitorer> It gets to that point and stops all activity
[14:27] <converge> is there a way to monitor 2 process ? like in top but monitoring just two process names?
[14:28] <Visitorer> https://www.zotac.com/ca/product/mini_pcs/nen-steam-machine This is the computer I'm trying to boot it on
[14:30] <Visitorer> I used Universal USB Installer to make both USB installs
[14:31] <[worksti]> i want to launch a screen session every time my server boots (with irssi in it, for what its worth). where should i put a script to do that in ubuntu (lts 16)
[14:34] <TJ-> Visitorer: the PC appears to have a severe firmware bug
[14:37] <Visitorer> I did not have any issue booting to a previous version of Ubuntu though...
[14:37] <Visitorer> However I don't remember what version it was
[14:40] <akik> [worksti]: you can add it to /etc/rc.local: su - username -c "screen -dmS test" you also need to chmod +x /etc/rc.local
[14:41] <mahakal> how to compile file in latex directory to build pdf
[14:43] <[worksti]> thanks akik
[14:43] <mahakal> hey guys,how to compile file in latex directory to build pdf
[14:48] <mrchairman> Is there some kind of new age hippie movement where 1kb = 1,000 bytes? I thought it was 1,024 but google says no: https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=bytes+to+kb+converter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[14:49] <alkisg> mrchairman: kilo = 1000 bytes, kibi (binary) = 1024
[14:49] <alkisg> kilo was a prefix in SI long before we started counting hard disk capacity...
[14:50] <alkisg> KB=kilobyte, KiB=kibibyte
[14:51] <mrchairman> alright, but lets be honest, this is some kind of new nomenclature that is getting pushed on us?
[14:51] <mrchairman> who the hell actually uses kibibyte
[14:52] <alkisg> mrchairman: it's been standarized years ago, most software uses it, read the wikipedia entry
[14:52] <alkisg> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte
[14:52] <mahakal> !Drone
[14:52] <mrchairman> Ah man, this sucks, the world is falling apart
[14:53] <mrchairman> These guys agree with me: http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/allkb/0F8C8B70234EBE308625708B00424DAD
[14:53] <alkisg> mrchairman: have you realized yet that any disk you bought the last decade is counted in gigabytes, and not gibibytes?
[14:53] <alkisg> E.g. 1 TB=931GiB
[14:54] <mrchairman> what?? No I haven't, thought it was all gigabytes, didn't know gibibytes existed
[14:54] <alkisg> Everything you heard about gigabytes is actually 1000*1000*1000
[14:55] <mrchairman> I live in a small frontier town, and this news has not reached us yet
[14:55] <alkisg> Check the disk in your pc, it reached you already :D
[14:55] <mrchairman> This whole system is probably so some wise guy and whisk bytes off the top, and use it for his fat cat lifestyle
[14:55] <mrchairman> hold on
[14:56] <mrchairman> 121 GB (121,332,826,112 bytes)
[14:56] <mrchairman> and here I am thinking in terms of the gibibytes, and gigabytes don't mean what I think
[14:57] <mrchairman> lol
[14:57] <alkisg> Right. You're thinking correctly but blaming the wrong word :D
[14:57] <mrchairman> thanks for clearing it up man, I took this too hard
[14:57] <alkisg> np :)
[15:28] <Seldon> Hi to all, I would like to report a bug I discovered using Ubuntu on my laptop. I need help to decide what package i should indicate
[15:30] <genii> !details
[15:30] <Seldon> my wifi connection stop working often if i try to download large files or a large amount of small files, with tools like npm or composer. In many cases wifi connection manager freezes, in some cases the entire computer freeze and i need to reboot
[15:31] <Seldon> i know , sounds strange that a connection between a wifi problem with a computer freeze, but i experienced this experience a lot of times before write it here
[15:32] <Seldon> sorry for my english :-)
[15:33] <tomeaton17> I want to make it so that I can ssh to a device on my LAN by its hostname not ip. How can I do this?
[15:34] <genii> Seldon: Do you know the name of the module being used for wifi ?
[15:35] <Seldon> no, I'm using xubuntu, if it can help. I installed the kernel 4.15 rc4 from the mainline, but the issue happens with the default kernel release too. I hope it can help
[15:35] <Seldon> xubuntu 17.10
[15:37] <genii> Seldon: If you do not have lshw package installed, please install it. Then: sudo lshw -C network  ...and then put results to a pastebin and give the link here please
[15:38] <TJ-> tomeaton17: add an entry to /etc/hosts of the form "<IP_ADDRESS>   hostname"
[15:38] <TJ-> tomeaton17: see "man hosts"
[15:40] <Seldon> genii: i found it: rtl8821ae
[15:42] <tomeaton17> TJ- on the local machine?
[15:42] <TJ-> tomeaton17: correct
[15:43] <TJ-> tomeaton17: the alternative is to add an entry to the local network's DNS, but that's usually much more diffifult
[15:43] <tomeaton17> TJ-: Yeah I dont think I could convince the sys admins at work to do that
[15:44] <Visitorer> TJ- : I updated the BIOS and no change.
[15:44] <Visitorer> Still can't boot into Ubuntu
[15:44] <TJ-> tomeaton17: some devices support multicast-DNS (aka Apple Bonjour protocol) which on linux is done via avahi
[15:44] <Visitorer> Also this computer came with SteamOs so it's supposed to be able to run Linux
[15:44] <TJ-> Visitorer: then that system seems to have something against recent Linux!
[15:45] <TJ-> Visitorer: time to talk to the support service of the supplier/makr
[15:45] <Visitorer> Alright, thanks.
[15:45] <tomeaton17> TJ-: eh that sounds a bit too involved :p
[15:46] <tomeaton17> I am just too lazy to be typing the ip of my odroid everytime
[15:53] <genii> Seldon: So the package to file the bug against is 	linux-image-extra-4.13.0-16-generic
[15:54] <CryptoSiD> hey guys what is the channel for the "next" version of ubuntu
[15:54] <genii> CryptoSiD: #ubuntu+1
[15:54] <CryptoSiD> thanks
[15:56] <Seldon> genii: thank you very much!
[15:57] <JJBby> New Ubuntu user here, I am having two issues that I could use some help with. 1 is my headphone jack isnt working. 2 is a dual boot question where windows wont open. Any one have any suggestions?
[16:05] <Vamp898> JJBby: 1.) Not working means you have no sound or sound is still coming through the speakers? 2.) What exactly does "windows wont open" mean? Is it not booting at all or is it booting and then crashing?
[16:08] <JJBby> @vamp898 1) the speakers work but using the headphone jack does nothing, I am unaware of a way to test different ways to make it work. 2) After installing Ubuntu I can not load windows from the dual boot screen. When selected that way the screen takes on the default ubuntu screen color and sits there indefinitely. I can go into the BIOS and load into windows though. Its EFI if thats pertinent
[16:09] <Vamp898> JJBby: but when you plugin the headphone jack, there is no more sound on the speakers, right?
[16:10] <JJBby> vamp898: there is still sound coming threw the speakers
[16:10] <Vamp898> JJBby: That doesnt sound good (i mean, maybe it does, maybe those are good speakers, but i mean more like your problem :D)
[16:10] <JJBby> haha
[16:10] <JJBby> yeah!
[16:11] <Vamp898> JJBby: What Notebook is it?
[16:11] <JJBby> its an Asus Rog G751JL
[16:12] <Vamp898> The choice of champions :D
[16:12] <Vamp898> Are you 100% sure that the headphones worked on windows?
[16:13] <vimart> Hi
[16:13] <JJBby> 100
[16:13] <JJBby> 5
[16:13] <JJBby> 100
[16:14] <JJBby> %
[16:14] <JJBby> wow. typing is hard. took a screen shot too
[16:15] <Vamp898> Then please do the following. Open an terminal and run "sudo dmesg -Hw" on it. Then, after that, plug in your headphones and unplug them again (with 5 seconds pause) and show us the output (maybe upload it to pastebin.com or a similar service)
[16:17] <JJBby> so I ran the dmesg, plugged in the headphones and nothing happened, is that correct?
[16:17] <mentalita> perhaps sudo dmesg -Hw | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:18] <JJBby> is there a way to copy paste commands into the terminal?
[16:18] <JJBby> nm, there is
[16:19] <deem> hi. i'm trying to copy a file via scp to my local machine and always getting this error. is it network related? never saw anything like this. https://pastebin.com/u2CJzPcw
[16:22] <Siecje> I created a new group and added my current user to the group with sudo usermod -G sftponly $USER. I can't use sudo anymore on Ubuntu 16.04. I get "Sorry, user siecje is not allowed to execute '/bin/ls' as root on host."
[16:22] <Siecje> I rebooted to re-login to actually be in the group.
[16:22] <Siecje> before I did `id` and it had about 5 or 6 items (one of them was cdrom) after reboot it is only the group with the same name as my user and the new group.
[16:23] <JJBby> This is the results on Pastebin now https://pastebin.com/XtDLbwFE
[16:23] <deem> Siecje: you missed the '-a' option which would have appended the group.
[16:23] <sazawal> Is there a freenode channel for bash/shell scripts?
[16:24] <Siecje> deem: It should have been sudo usermod -a -G sftponly $USER?
[16:24] <deem> Siecje: exactly
[16:24] <deem> you may want to reboot into a recovery shell and add your user to the groups "adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare"
[16:24] <Siecje> deem: Okay thanks. How can I fix my current state?
[16:25] <Vamp898> JJBby: hmmm to be honest, i never seen this. In the sound settings you can set which device should be used to play the sound. I dont know about this notebook but maybe somehow it is made in such an weird way that the headphones are an own output
[16:25] <deem> that's what my user in in
[16:25] <deem> but i don't know which ones you exactly need, but sudo is a good choice i think :)
[16:26] <Siecje> deem: How do I boot into a recovery shell?
[16:26] <deem> Siecje: there is an option for this in grub
[16:26] <deem> Siecje: you could also boot up a live system
[16:27] <Siecje> I did `reboot` and I didn't get a GRUB menu
[16:27] <deem> Siecje: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[16:27] <JJBby> Vamp898: 1, is this the correct way to reply to your comments or is there a specific way to address some one? 2, so I can check in the sound settings to see if there is a headphone output in there?
[16:30] <Siecje> deem: Can I use any boot disk? The iso for Ubuntu is quite large.
[16:31] <Vamp898> JJBby: Most machines have several outputs. Like you have HDMI, then you have the analog output, maybe an optical and so on. Maybe, just guessing, your headphones are detected as their own output. In the Sound settings you can select the output that plays the sound
[16:31] <Vamp898> JJBby: actually my IRC clients highlights everything that says Vamp898, no matter where in the sentence it is and case also doesnt matter
[16:32] <gay> I used to have a boyfriend named "ubuntu" once
[16:32] <JJBby> Vamp898: ok, mine does as well when you use my name, just wasnt sure how it worked on the other side and if it needed any type of notation
[16:32] <gay> he would "play the bongos" on my ass
[16:32] <gay> FAGS
[16:33] <Vamp898> I am offensive and i find this gay
[16:33] <deem> Siecje: if you know how to use it you may use another distribution. you only need a working shell to chroot into your installed system
[16:33] <JJBby> Vamp898 I am in the settings playing with all the output options and I have better sound now from speakers, just nothing happening for headphones, I wonder if the other jack ports are working. I am going to try using a Mic too now
[16:35] <Siecje> deem: Thanks, I can't get it to boot off the CD.
[16:38] <JJBby> vamp898: what is hdajackretask? I have a forum post for a similiar laptop using that to find the headphones? https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2300693.html
[16:39] <Siecje> Okay I got the grub menu
[16:41] <deem> Siecje: there should be an option called something like "recovery options". if you booted into this there is an option like "start a root shell"
[16:41] <Siecje> Hmm I don't know the root password.
[16:42] <Siecje> Couldn't I have done switch user to root in the Desktop Environment if I knew the root password?
[16:42] <deem> there should be no root password, cause ubuntu don't uses one
[16:43] <deem> normally the only way to become root is by using sudo
[16:48] <Siecje> okay I did this got get a root shell https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/1355
[16:50] <Siecje> I added my user to those groups but how do I shutdown or reboot?
[16:50] <deem> Siecje: use "reboot"
[16:52] <Siecje> "Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory\n Failed to talk to init daemon."
[16:52]  * Siecje fears his system is really messed up.
[16:57] <deem> Siecje: you could execute 'sudo grep user-setup /var/log/installer/syslog' and search for your user to see which groups ubuntu added at installation time. maybe i missed a group
[16:57] <Siecje> Okay I tried every command and evetually VmWare said the Guest operating system CPU has been disabled and I did a shutdown in VmWare.  And left it aside for some time. Now I dont remember my password.
[18:05] <Baltazar> (...)
[18:05] <Baltazar> for some idiotic reason, at the time i thought it would have been a great idea to change my password..
[18:08] <genii> Start it up in recovery, drop to root and remount the filesystem rw, then reset it it
[18:11] <Baltazar> You're a genii.
[18:11] <Vamp898> Baltazar: but in a live disc and chroot into it works too
[18:12] <Vamp898> *put
[18:14] <Baltazar> got it
[18:17] <Guma>  I am on 18.3 and if I insert any USB pen I can read it (vfat32) but I can't write to it. How can I permanently fix it so each time I insert I do not have to change permissions. my fstab does not have any entires related to sdb
[18:17] <Baltazar> O. The sudo password was not created by default .. sudo -i **pw for sudo**
[18:41] <zomaar> Does anyone know how I can set the ALSA default device with PulseAudio still starting?
[18:45] <zomaar> Oh I've done it, sorry
[18:55] <anubisra> Hi, I have a problem -->> plank appears on the lock screen. Does anyone know how to prevent this behaviour?
[18:56] <brainwash> anubisra: let the devs fix it
[19:02] <zomaar> pulse now uses my default alsa device, so if I use alsa device "pulse" I play through the default device via pulse
[19:02] <zomaar> plus, I can play using something else as well
[19:03] <brainwash> zomaar: is that magic?
[19:03] <zomaar> So I have a program that can only use alsa, and Amarok uses pulse at the same time also playing
[19:04] <zomaar> I have no idea brainwash
[19:04] <zomaar> I only know it is not configured that way by default
[19:05] <zomaar> But I have a i386 program in which the pulse plugin to alsa crashes, so it's important my default alsa device is something else.
[19:19] <JJBby> Comp wont come back from the screen turning off/suspending. Any suggestions? Been trying a lot of different links, still no idea what I am doing. Just disabled it for now
[19:46] <john_rambo> Hi, please help me with this update problem >> https://paste2.org/z4x0yHNd
[19:51] <yeats> john_rambo: try 'apt clean && apt update' then try again
[20:13] <plujon> How can I upgrade s3cmd from version 1.6.x to 2.x using apt-get ?
[20:14] <Bashing-om> !info s3cmd xenial | plujon
[20:15] <Guillaume---> Hello everyone. I have installed Ubuntu on my EZBook 3 Pro v4 which is an Appollo Lake Laptop. Everything is working pretty well. I use rEFInd as bootloader, i just installed a new kernel but i don't know how to add the boot entry for it to appear in rEFInd boot menu
[20:15] <plujon> Bashing-om: Thanks.  Does that mean I can't upgrade to 2.x?
[20:16] <PissWizard> is there a problem in installing a newer version of Ubuntu on top of an existing one? I'm guessing the recommended proceedure is to delete it and start fresh.
[20:16] <Bashing-om> plujon: Not available in the repo .. there might be a PPA .. but PPAs are not supported in this channel .
[20:16] <PissWizard> but I don't think I have the backup storage needed for that, plus I'm not sure where/what to backup beyond the few files... like ... web browser bookmarks, I guess?? actually maybe this isn't so hard.
[20:16] <Guillaume---> PissWizard: can't you just ugprade ?
[20:17] <PissWizard> Guillaume---, nope. it's so old that it won't support upgrading.
[20:17] <Guillaume---> ok
[20:20] <plujon> I want to use s3cmd 2.x on ubuntu 16.04 LTS.  Is this possible?  If so, how do I do it?
[20:21] <GoatGeek> Hello, I'm having an incredibly weird issue with sshd right now. Can anyone help?
[20:23] <brainwash> plujon: I would try this https://github.com/s3tools/s3cmd/blob/master/INSTALL#L36
[20:24] <brainwash> plujon: for ubuntu you have to replace 'yum' with 'apt'
[20:25] <plujon> brainwash: Thanks; I'll try that.
[20:26] <alkisg> !ask | GoatGeek:
[20:28] <GoatGeek> I'm running 16.04.3 LTS and trying to upgrade to the newest version of OpenSSH because the version in the repos are 7.2, which is not PCI compliant because there are active CVEs for versions <7.5.
[20:29] <GoatGeek> Anyway, I compiled it myself and did 'make install', and when I run `sshd -v` it shows the version as OpenSSH7.6p1, but when the server starts it seems to be the old binary, and the SSH handshake reports "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.2p2 Ubuntu-4ubuntu2.2"
[20:30] <brainwash> how do you start the server?
[20:31] <GoatGeek> I'm restarting it with systemctl
[20:31] <brainwash> I assume that sshd is launched as systemd service
[20:31] <brainwash> maybe the service file is still pointing to the old binary
[20:31] <GoatGeek> Checked the path and everything, the binary systemd is using is the same.
[20:32] <brainwash> the same?
[20:32] <brainwash> meaning the old/default
[20:33] <GoatGeek> Actually you know what, I may have overlooked the path
[20:33] <GoatGeek> Ok that answers my question then lol
[20:33] <brainwash> sounds like it
[20:33] <GoatGeek> But I'm still very curious about why SSH is only 7.2 when there are active CVEs for it?
[20:34] <brainwash> mmh. the 7.2 in the ubuntu repository should be heavily patched
[20:34] <brainwash> security patches do get backported
[20:35] <GoatGeek> I'm sure, it just seems a little behind
[20:35] <GoatGeek> But we failed our PCI compliance test because of it
[20:35] <brainwash> you can check the changelog for the openssh package
[20:35] <alkisg> GoatGeek: there shouldn't be any CVE's against Ubuntu LTS packages. If you think they are, file a bug report and mark it as a security issue. https://askubuntu.com/questions/709872/openssh-v7-where-can-i-install-it-from
[20:35] <GoatGeek> Found a S/O post from 8 mos. ago w/ someone saying the same thing
[20:35] <GoatGeek> alkisg, thank you for the link
[20:35] <alkisg> GoatGeek: the version isn't enough to judge; CVEs are backported against the shipped versions
[20:36] <brainwash> one could request that a newer version is backported
[20:36] <alkisg> Yes, if required and justified
[20:36] <brainwash> so it lands in the -backports repository
[20:36] <alkisg> !sru
[20:37] <brainwash> other than that, 18.04 will be out in few months
[20:45] <cardboard64> how can I fix this error : Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x50903) with this library (version 0x50902) ?
[20:45] <cardboard64> I am using ubuntu 18.04
[20:45] <cardboard64> this errors appears when launching qt apps since the qt libs
[20:47] <Bashing-om> !18.04 | cardboard64
[20:47] <Guillaume---> So guys ? I have installed Ubuntu on my EZBook 3 Pro v4 which is an Appollo Lake Laptop. Everything is working pretty well. I use rEFInd as bootloader, i just installed a new kernel but i don't know how to add the boot entry for it to appear in rEFInd boot menu
[21:03] <hdqn> hello, on Ubuntu 16.04, does vim.basic come with syntax highlighting on by default, or have I enabled it accidentally?
[21:04] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> Hello.
[21:04] <hdqn> I mean specifically for root, ie. `sudo visudo`
[21:05] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> Is there any place in which i can see when ubuntu will launch an update?
[21:09] <desole> th3_g3ntl3m3n: what type of update? New version of Ubuntu, security updates, or "common" updates?
[21:10] <yeats> hdqn: it should Just Work™
[21:10] <hdqn> yeats: so the answer is "it does"?
[21:10] <yeats> hdqn: in my experience, yes
[21:10] <hdqn> because it *does* work for me, but it used to be disabled in earlier Ubuntu releases iirc
[21:11] <hdqn> ok, then all's good and I'm not worried about having messed up the config myself. Thank you.
[21:11] <hdqn> cheers folks o/
[21:18] <Ircbaao> hi guys i fcked up. i ran a rm -rf and remove an important directory. Can I get it back?
[21:19] <Ircbaao> its my ubuntu server that this happened on
[21:19] <GoatGeek> alkisg, I'm sorry the internet for our entire office went out lol
 hello
[21:20] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> Someone is downloading 4k ***
[21:20] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> Okno.
 Every type of update.
[21:22] <GoatGeek> OpenSSH < 7.4 Multiple Vulnerabilities - CVE-2016-10009, CVE-2016-10011, CVE-2016-10012, CVE-2016-10010
[21:24] <teward> GoatGeek: pretty sure the Security Team is already aware.  No need to tell us, the Security Team is usually on top of this stuff already.
[21:27] <Bashing-om> Ircbaao: Yuk . See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery .
[21:29] <brwoods> in 16.04.3, I have a bridged connection, but I'm getting a dhcp leaseon the interface and the bridge... I have "iface inferfacename inet manual" in there as well, any ideas?
[21:30] <brwoods> this is all in /etc/network/interfaces
[21:30] <GoatGeek> teward, I'm wondering because I didn't see any mention in the package changelog
[21:31] <allure> guys, port 53 still connects with this: https://paste.debian.net/1001741/
[21:31] <allure> where did I go wrong with the rule?
[21:32] <teward> GoatGeek: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/openssh.html has a pretty good 'status' listing.  However, patching things takes time, so... patience is a virtue.
[21:33] <yeats> brwoods: can you share a paste of your interfaces file (cleaned of any private info)?
[21:33] <GoatGeek> teward, thanks
[21:35] <brwoods> yeats: this isn't the EXACT one, but the exact one doesn't have networking, this is a working copy I editted from from a Debian box http://paste.debian.net/1001744/
[21:35] <alkisg> GoatGeek: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2016/CVE-2016-10009.html
[21:39] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> And... no one knows where i can see the changelog in my system?
[21:39] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> im using ubuntu 17.10
[21:40] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> Where can i see the changlog?
[21:40] <GoatGeek> Geez, internet went out again
[21:42] <yeats> brwoods: the only thing we have different on bridged interfaces on a couple of working servers is that we have (the equivalent of) 'auto enp49s0' before the physical interface 'manual' line
[21:45] <yeats> brwoods: my example file: https://paste.debian.net/1001746/
[21:46] <brwoods> hrm
[21:46] <brwoods> I'll try adding the auto line and see what happens
[21:49] <TJ-> brwoods: Are you sure systemd-networkd, or NetworkManager, aren't also trying to manage the interface as well as ifupdown ?
[21:50] <brwoods> TJ-: there's no NM, haven't checked for systemd-networkd
[21:50] <TJ-> brwoods: no NM helps :) I use pure systemd-networkd on my 16.04's or bonding, no NM or ifupdown
[21:53] <TJ-> brwoods: e.g. https://paste.ubuntu.com/25904382/
[21:55] <brwoods> think I found the problem... I edited the /etc/dhcp/dhclient file...
[21:57] <brwoods> TJ- and yeats: yeah, my edit in the dhclient.conf was what was doing it... I edited it trying to get soem virtual interfaces up and running and forgot about the edits... thank goodness for grep/ing /etc
[21:59] <TJ-> brwoods: this is where a git repo or similar config management system comes in so handy. I use git for for /etc/ with an inotify hook that auto-commits after every WRITE,CLOSE
[22:00] <TJ-> brwoods: I can trivally find/revert to previous state
[22:00] <brwoods> I just comment heavily and use "USER EDITED" a lot  =]
[22:01] <brwoods> not the best thing I'd imagine, but it works well enough
[22:02] <W4sp> Don't run starts as root.
[22:17] <GoatGeek> So I compiled my own sshd and now I'm trying to get it to work in systemd. The server starts properly but systemd still says that it's 'starting'
[22:36] <dalurka> what do I need to do to get somebody to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squid3/+bug/1738412
[22:36] <dalurka> I have attached a patch and all
[22:37] <TJ-> !sru | dalurka
[22:38] <TJ-> dalurka: basic process is: 1) ensure the fix is in the current development release (Bionic 18.04), backport fix directly if possible to supported versions, request SRU
[22:39] <hggdh> dalurka: also it usually helps if you also report which version of Ubuntu, and the whole version string
[22:40] <hggdh> dalurka: right now, for reference, I cannot find any packag for squid3 that exactly matches the version in the bug
[22:40] <dalurka> hggdh: oh, ofcourse *facepalm*
[22:41] <dalurka> I don't have access to the machine right now but will update it tomorrow
[22:41] <dalurka> TJ-: will check that as well
[22:42] <dalurka> but what is the proper channel? just attaching a patch to launchpad or is there a git repo of the packages?
[22:43] <TJ-> dalurka: for existing packages, the SRU process as described in the link
[22:43] <dalurka> also, the machine runs the latest xenial but I don't know more than that..as I said will update tomorrow
[22:43] <dalurka> TJ-: thanks
[22:43] <dalurka> TJ-: I will read it and take the apropriate actions :)
[22:44] <hggdh> dalurka: squid3 is in main, so you could check on #ubuntu-server
[22:47] <dalurka> hggdh: ok
[22:50] <dalurka> TJ-: also, there might be an issue with checking in 18.04 as it might not use the init-script at all if there is a systemd.service written for it.. now it is only generated from the sysv init script
[22:50] <dalurka> well I'll find out :)
[22:50] <TJ-> dalurka: in which case a direct patch, especially for such a trivial change, is going to be OK. The point of SRU is to ensure no regressions
[22:51] <TJ-> dalurka: you're fixing a regression in a regression patch :D
[22:51] <dalurka> yes :)
[23:17] <sammyg> does Ext2Fsd really support ext4 writing?
[23:26] <nooryani84> Anyone here that can answer a question regarding the current issue with Ubuntu and Lenovo laptops?
[23:26] <nooryani84> Not quite sure where to turn to
[23:30] <init7> Hi there I am runing one script of mine on my Ubuntu 14.04 LTS but when i try to run it shows me this error message: https://hastebin.com/luzadaduwa.pl
[23:31] <Char|ie> Hi im looking for simple video editing software where I can simply open a file and clip it down to size
[23:31] <nooryani84> Ok, I'll just ask straight out:  I have an Asus laptop from 2014 and wonder how I can check if my UEFI or laptop is affected.   I read that both Acer and Toshiba laptops have been affected besides Lenovo.
[23:31] <Char|ie> what would be the best program for this? Im trying to use kdenlive but it isnt easy to use
[23:32] <Char|ie> It doesnt allow me to open a mp4 file only existing projects
[23:32] <nooryani84> Char|ie, video files I assume?
[23:32] <typeVoid> Have you tried Blender, Char|ie?
[23:32] <Char|ie> like its adobe photoshop or something :/
[23:32] <Char|ie> video files yes
[23:33] <Char|ie> is Blender easy to use or will it force me to save in its propietary format?
[23:33] <Char|ie> and then use some retarded program to "export" it to the format I want?
[23:33] <Char|ie> like gimp does
[23:33] <bacteria_> Char|ie: just for resize ? have U tried ffmpeg ?
[23:33] <Char|ie> retarded
[23:33] <nooryani84> one second, let me find this app I have read good things about
[23:33] <nooryani84> https://github.com/mifi/lossless-cut
[23:33] <typeVoid> :D, Blender should be easy. It's mainly for film making and Visual Effects / 3d modeling and rendering but it can do what you want
[23:34] <init7> Hi there I am runing one script of mine on my Ubuntu 14.04 LTS but when i try to run it shows me this error message: https://hastebin.com/luzadaduwa.pl
[23:34] <nooryani84> If it's only cutting and you want lossless (fast, no re-encoding) https://github.com/mifi/lossless-cut
[23:34] <TJ-> !openshot | Char|ie
[23:34] <nooryani84> I believe this should do the job.
[23:34] <typeVoid> But it seems as if lossless-cut would be better suited here
[23:34] <TJ-> !info openshot | Char|ie
[23:34] <typeVoid> I'm trying to verify an email on a launchpad account, I've done so around 3 times and received 4 emails I clicked the links and a blank page shows up and my email is not verified, what steps should I take from here?
[23:35] <typeVoid> * I clicked the "verify email" button exactly 3 times
[23:35] <nooryani84> typeVoid, have you tried clearing the cookies/browser cache?
[23:35] <nooryani84> disable any adblockers etc
[23:36] <TJ-> nooryani84: how do you mean by 'affected'? The SPI 'bug' is only an issue if the kernel loads the SPI driver, which was added for the 4.13 kernel in 17.10. But the core problem is the PC firmware monitoring the SPI-NOR read/write bit and assuming any change means it has to reset the firmware configuration to defaults
[23:36] <typeVoid> I'll try that, I was using mobile and just recently booted to windows after a long time. I'll come back with results later
[23:36] <Char|ie> downloading now ill give it a go ty :D
[23:37] <nooryani84> TJ-, basically how do I know if it has bricked/changed anything on the firmware
[23:37] <TJ-> nooryani84: if it fails to work is a big clue :)
[23:37] <nooryani84> Sorry if I'm explaining this poorly
[23:39] <nooryani84> No I've been using the laptop since 17.10 was released, but I don't know if the UEFI has been affected by the SPI bug.
[23:39] <TJ-> nooryani84: from what I've read in most cases the problem isn't the firmware being erased/re-written, it's that the firmware sees the toggling of the read/wite enable bit as a signal to reset it's stored config, and losing that is what causes the PC to have various failures because ( it seems) when the bit is toggled the firmware also expects a new valid is going to be written by whatever toggled the bit ...
[23:40] <TJ-> nooryani84: ... in other words, the firmware assumes the tool in control of the SPI is the flash update software which is programmed to update firmware image + write new valid config, so doesn't fully reset to a valid config itself.
[23:40] <nooryani84> I haven't experienced any issues (that I know of)
[23:41] <bacteria_> Hi I'm looking for a opensource software for appointments ... like 4 sallon ... some1 have idea ??
[23:42] <Daekdroom> Hello, #ubuntu. I've bought a new keyboard, but it seems the <Super> key for this model I have isn't working, I can't seem to grab its input with 'xev' or the control panel settings for keyboard shortcuts.
[23:43] <nooryani84> I don't have my laptop right here, but I'm going to try "cat /boot/config* | grep CONFIG_SPI_INTEL_SPI_PLATFORM" later
[23:44] <nooryani84> perhaps I'm looking at this the wrong way though
[23:46] <pos> am i right to assume/observe that snap(py) packages can't be downloaded and install locally and manually?
[23:46] <nooryani84> TJ-, thanks for your help though I still don't know if my laptop is damaged.
[23:46] <nooryani84> I'll continue looking :)
[23:46] <pos> with no blabbering back and fourth with ub/cano servers?
[23:49] <Daekdroom> Huh, I was messing with the keyboard Fn key functions and somehow it started working.
[23:49] <Daekdroom> I'll leave it be, haha.
[23:50] <nooryani84> the <Super> key is a pain
[23:50] <nooryani84> i much prefer using a launcher like Albert / Ulauncher binded to CTRL+Space
[23:51] <nooryani84> tho not as user friendly
[23:58] <Char|ie> is there a video app where I can edit videos and clip them by dragging a screened window on top of the video I want to clip?
 sort of like how a partition resize application works
 You just drag one marker as the start and another marker as the end. and thats the clip you want to keep.
[23:59] <TJ-> Char|ie: openshot lets you set the start and end markers on the timeline, and then 'cut' at each point, or drag the start/end markers
[23:59] <Char|ie> Openshot is confusing lol
[23:59] <Char|ie> Im clicking on the timeline, or track. whatever some genius wants to call it. sigh


  Happy Friday, and happy GIS Day! 😃  🌍 🛰
[09:53] <foobarry> daughter was coughing all night. had me up since 4. want my bed
[10:43] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVuuatjHGnY got you covered
[10:56] <awilkins> Is there a way to get the duplicity command that Deja-Dup will use without running it?
[10:57] <awilkins> Scenario: supporting mom's PC remotely. Need to run a backup, can't run Deja-Dup over X tunnel because it needs dbus as well
[11:03] <davmor2> JamesTait: that one do you I'm obviously assuming her baby didn't have location turned on ;)
[11:04] <JamesTait> davmor2, it's buzzing around my head now, so I think that's a yes. 😉
[11:05] <davmor2> awilkins: is your mom on an ubuntu system?
[11:06] <davmor2> awilkins: if so then deja-dup will backup on a schedule to a remote location you would just need to setup the remote location to mount on boot and done
[11:21] <awilkins> davmor2, It needs you to log into an X session for it to work
[11:21] <awilkins> Her X is broke
[11:21] <awilkins> So I'm doing a backup before I upgrade her to 16.10 and hope it fixes things
[11:22] <awilkins> She's 250 miles away so it's a bit of a trek to provide maternal tech support in person :-)
[11:29] <davmor2> awilkins: deja-dup I thought could be run from cli too
[11:30] <davmor2> awilkins: http://askubuntu.com/questions/636264/how-to-make-a-backup-with-deja-dup-from-command-line
[11:31] <awilkins> You can start it from the command line but it still raises a GUI and wants dbus as well
[11:31] <awilkins> I fixed the GUI thing by tunneling X back here, but if I tunnel dbus it's just going to read my config instead of hers
[11:32] <awilkins> Can you start dbus without X?
[11:32] <Laney> dbus-run-session cmd
[11:33] <awilkins> ta
[11:34] <awilkins> Failed to execute child process `duplicity`
[11:34] <awilkins> Would it hurt if the default backup system GUI depended on it's dependencies...
[11:35] <awilkins> No wonder her backup hasn't run in months...
[11:37] <awilkins> And python-gi ... *sigh*
[11:37] <awilkins> Remember this when I upgraded before... I guess there must be some flag that says "I've installed the deps!" in dega-dup
[11:38] <awilkins> Which persists in your home folder if you trash the OS and install again (with home on a separate partition like a sensible person...)
[11:41] <awilkins> At last, backup is cooking
[11:41] <awilkins> Huzzah
[11:42] <davmor2> awilkins: huzzah
[12:13] <foobarry> what does it mean when slack offers to import github girst image links?
[12:13] <foobarry> gist*
[12:13] <foobarry> s/image//
[12:14] <foobarry> try again: what does it mean when slack offers to import github gist links when you've pasted a url to a gist?
[12:14] <foobarry> i guess it would display in the channel?
[15:05] <diddledan> foobarry: I believe it shows in an embedded iframe
[15:17] <daftykins> http://gizmodo.com/apple-will-fix-touch-disease-on-your-iphone-for-just-1-1789113957
[15:18] <daftykins> lawsuit eventually resulted in a response there for the evil devices
[15:20] <daftykins> http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/graphic-card-issue-new-2016-15-bto.2015343/
[15:20] <daftykins> new macbooks are faulty already
[15:20] <daftykins> might just be drivers though, time'll tell
[15:20] <diddledan> the touchbar broke?
[15:20] <diddledan> oh gf
[15:20] <diddledan> gfx
[15:31] <daftykins> one site reviewer had one DOA too
[15:32] <daftykins> makes you wonder how many are like that of any other product line, since obviously it's just the vocal minority thus far
[15:45] <diddledan> interesting, pfsense and partner netgate have a new firewall hardware due based on an arm cpu: https://shop.amicatech.co.uk/shop/hardware/sg-1000-microfirewall/
[16:12] <daftykins> mmm ham and cheese panino, just what the doc ordered on a grey day
[16:13] <daftykins> diddledan: ouch at that cost
[16:18] <diddledan> daftykins: they do more expensive options :-p
[16:19] <daftykins> the multi core AMD x86 i got from linitx was about the same price with 3 interfaces and multiple mini PCIe slots for wifi and other cards
[16:19] <daftykins> which they finally have switched on down in Spain \o/
[16:23] <diddledan> one of these? https://linitx.com/product/linitx-apu-2c-3nicusbrtc-pfsense-embed-firewall-kit-black/14130
[16:48] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-uh1VPYEbE <-- about porn blocking
[16:48] <diddledan> it is, however unfortunately, safe to view at work or near the wife
[16:59] <daftykins> yep it was that device
[17:03] <diddledan> looks to be an amd jaguar embedded cpu
[17:03] <diddledan> https://pcengines.ch/apu2.htm
[17:04] <daftykins> yarr
[17:04] <diddledan> has aes-ni which is good for vpns
[17:04] <daftykins> i'm still waiting for the Spanish ISP to enable a port forward on the antenna, so i can remote into it
[17:04] <daftykins> it being that router box
[17:05] <diddledan> oh, it's a wireless network?
[17:05] <diddledan> all bets are off then :-p
[17:06] <daftykins> the ISP we chose yeah, because most places in his area don't even have phone lines
[17:06] <diddledan> dang. must be the middle of nowhereistan
[17:06] <daftykins> wow my memory has been shocking of late, totally forgotten the intel wireless tech that tried and failed to compete with 3G...
[17:06] <diddledan> o_O
[17:06] <daftykins> south coast of Spain, so all the infrastructure is akin to third worlds
[17:07] <diddledan> I think spain is pretty third-world everywhere
[17:07] <daftykins> WiMAX, that's the one
[17:07] <diddledan> aah yes
[17:07] <daftykins> so there's a big tower on the hill above his apartments area and he gets 20Mb down, 6Mb up on a funky seasonal rate for being a holiday-home type
[17:08] <diddledan> that's not bad speed for a wireless innernet
[17:08] <daftykins> it's kinda funny because the little pfsense box has managed to update the dynamic DNS hostname to the correct internet facing IP, but it seems the IP is held by the PoE dish on his wall - so you're still firewalled
[17:08] <diddledan> lol
[17:08] <diddledan> reverse tunnel :-p
[17:08] <diddledan> get the box to vpn or ssh to you
[17:09] <daftykins> but yeah just waiting for the guy to forward the port for the VPN setup i have on there all ready to go and i'll be sorted
[17:09] <diddledan> \o/
[17:09] <daftykins> box itself is already connected to my VPS in London, so once i can get in i can pick devices on the LAN that need to be British, then they'll have their traffic tunneled :D
[17:09] <diddledan> you gonna shove everything down the vpn so he gets a british geolocation?
[17:09] <daftykins> you guessed it! not everything though
[17:10] <daftykins> wonder if amazon have started to block VPS providers, netflix have of course
[17:23] <daftykins> hrmm Saturday is 'international games day'
[17:26] <davmor2> I wonder if with the new ip laws we can basically bring down all the isp's by all setting up spiders :D
[17:28] <davmor2> also everyone brace for isp price hike to pay for all that storage that will be required by law
[17:44] <diddledan> davmor2: I'm with a&a who have as a contract agreement that they cannot implement any king of monitoring like the IP thing requires without at least 1 year of written notice
[17:44] <diddledan> kind*
[17:45] <davmor2> diddledan: expect a letter anytime soon then ;)
[17:45] <diddledan> as in they must give me 1 year of notice before they're able to monitor my browsing habbits
[17:45] <daftykins> another sad example of democracy that that one is making it through, assuming the Queen ok's it
[17:45] <daftykins> glad it's not going to apply to me...
[17:45] <diddledan> daftykins: need a lodger?
[17:46] <daftykins> haha suuuure, but you have to get behind the queue of US folks wanting to escape here ;)
[17:46] <davmor2> daftykins: no gchq already has yours right :D
[17:47]  * diddledan starts using Tor
[17:47] <daftykins> i thought that has been widely regarded as unsafe anyway
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure the malware gchq can now use on your intel mangement engine renders that moot
[17:47] <diddledan> I wonder how it impacts people renting a VPS to act as VPN endpoint
[17:47] <daftykins> ME is only in business systems actually, chief
[17:48] <zmoylan-pi> you think gchq doesn't make money? :-)
[17:48] <daftykins> diddledan: hrmm suppose technically providers of VPS' may count as ISPs in a form
[17:49] <davmor2> diddledan: no use they are allowed to have anything unencrypted right :)
[18:44] <diddledan> wat http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/11/18/JS114056176_Theresa_May_Merkel-large_trans++Q7WNz19EjnCWyGlhqb7K13uxKb_1pKS244PZc2vSMHU.jpg
[18:44] <daftykins> perhaps it was an inuit greeting?
[18:46] <diddledan> I think it's "no, I love you more.."
[18:47] <zmoylan-pi> each finds the other's countries worries a great distraction for their own citizens
[18:48] <daftykins> anyone kicking some money to Mozilla now there's another fundraiser on? :)
[18:49] <diddledan> they're funkraising?
[18:49] <daftykins> https://donate.mozilla.org/
[18:49] <daftykins> 'tis on my startpage
[18:49] <diddledan> I should probably install firefox
[18:50] <zmoylan-pi> i still use it as main browser on my systems with more than 1gb of ram...
[18:50] <daftykins> it's always my main one :>
[19:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, ping
[20:34] <daftykins> http://www.library.gg/events/event/international-games-day o0
[21:27] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/Mattrudge/status/799617833147645952
[21:33] <daftykins> yeah, the 'edited' status does suggest a mistake
[21:37] <zmoylan-pi> then again as someone who has worked in i.t. i have had people ring me up and i have simply read out loud to them the email i sent them before they called me as my answer
[21:38] <daftykins> XD
[21:38] <daftykins> how do folks in the office combat colleagues ignoring their emails content? like the old classic of reading 1 of 3 things when all 3 need a reply
[21:39] <zmoylan-pi> at one point i got a pack of darts, printed off the emails and did a 'message for you' to wall beside their head...
[21:40] <daftykins> such tree murder!
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> wasn't much fun for the walls either
[21:41] <daftykins> indeedy
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: with LARTs
[21:44] <daftykins> you're awfully fond of those :)
[21:45] <daftykins> i think that's been the last 4 things you've said to me, MartijnVdS :D
[21:45] <MartijnVdS> 😏
[21:45] <zmoylan-pi> i think my personal best was leaving a birthday card on someones desk and a nice little multitool pressie stabbed through it into the desk quite deep...
[21:58] <awilkins> daftykins, I took to putting an "executive summary" at the top of emails
[21:58] <awilkins> Not sure it actually did any good
[21:58] <daftykins> hehe
[21:58] <daftykins> i did find i was being unnecessarily wordy in the beginning
[21:58] <awilkins> Currently I is mostly hating... server-side validation using nodejs libs
[22:15] <diddledan> awilkins: fun
[22:16] <diddledan> nodejs is always interesting
[22:16] <diddledan> haha: https://twitter.com/luke_dot_js/status/799271787133403136
[22:18] <diddledan> nice startrek style dress: https://twitter.com/heruniverse/status/799737785762488320
[22:18] <daftykins> bit racey
[22:19] <zmoylan-pi> and not a red shirt... so they won't die on first away mission...
[22:19] <diddledan> it's engineering yellow, so she's an intellectual
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> they don't die till the enterprise is under attack
[22:20] <diddledan> probably death by warp core breach
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> on a first date
[22:20] <diddledan> or maybe hull rupture
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> hull breech is defintely third date
[22:29] <zmoylan-pi> or maybe their samsung console going all explody in their face...
[22:36] <awilkins> She's not gonna be happy if you order her into a Jefferies Tube full of radiation though
[22:36] <daftykins> but that's the best kind!
[22:40] <daftykins> heh seems like amazon prime video is still down
[22:41] <diddledan> daftykins: probably due to the load of people trying to watch the grand tour?
[22:42] <daftykins> yeah, but then it was down yesterday too
[22:42] <daftykins> but i suppose that was all the discount rate signups too :>
[22:42] <diddledan> which then begs the question, if amazon can't handle the load of a single service that they run for themselves, how do companies expect them to handle the load of hundreds of other services via AWS too?!
[22:46] <diddledan> wtf? https://twitter.com/abc7newsbayarea/status/799717985078235137
[22:54] <zmoylan-pi> someone chucked a box of daz into a fountain?
[22:54] <zmoylan-pi> a bulk discount mother of all boxes box
[23:10] <diddledan> related: https://twitter.com/dakami/status/799751403547676672
[23:13] <daftykins> XD
[23:14] <daftykins> his sketch is quite generous