[01:04] <Lubuntu> ae galera
[01:05] <Lubuntu> estou tentando instalar a o drive ati radeon. so que quando vou instalar diz pra eu entrar como super-user, so que eu ja estou como super-user, e ae como faco?
[01:06] <MrChrisDruif> !es | Lubuntu
[01:06] <Lubuntu> amd-driver-installer-12-1-x86.x86_64.run
[01:06] <Lubuntu> algum que fala portugues
[01:06] <Lubuntu> :):)
[01:07] <MrChrisDruif> help
[01:07] <Unit193> !pt
[01:07] <MrChrisDruif> Euhm..
[01:07] <Lubuntu> valew
[01:12] <M0hi> MrChrisDruif, Wrong language eh? :P
[01:13] <MrChrisDruif> M0hi; pr isn't a short apparently
[01:13] <M0hi> ;P
[01:40] <jimmyworm> good evening all.  I had installed lubuntu 12.04 over the weekend and I have one question that I haven't been able to figure out.  The icons for the system tray in the panel disappear when the panel is on the bottom of the monitor.  When on top the icons are visible.  It disappears when the panel is on the left or the right as well, so basically the icons disappear on the bottom half of the screen.  Any ideas?
[02:40] <zorinUsR> Hi all, ubuntu 12.04 LTS doesn't support my nVidia graphics card - does Lubuntu have the same issues?
[02:54] <Unit193> Should.
[02:55] <Unit193> As in, should have the same issue as it is the same system at the core.
[03:24] <zorinUsR> yeah, thought it would...
[03:24] <zorinUsR> alrighty, take care all -
[04:06] <user123420d3> Lubuntu 12.04;: Trying to install nvidia proprietary driver "nvidia-173" but it refuses to install.  Error:   unmet dependencies:   xorg-video-abi-10 but it is not installable.
[04:07] <user123420d3> error:  Recommends: nvidia-settings but it is not going to be installed
[04:09] <user123420d3> Looks like nvidia 173 driver is not supported yet in 12.04 although it's in the repo.   "Additional Drivers" in the menu fails to recognize my geforce fx5200 card also.
[04:14] <user123420d3> would #ubuntu answer questions related to lubuntu?
[04:15] <holstein> user123420d3: you can try
[04:15] <Unit193> Did you try   sudo apt-get update  first? They can get stale.
[04:15] <Unit193> ANd yes, they do.
[04:15] <holstein> user123420d3: the one in the repos may not support your hardware
[04:15] <holstein> try the one from the site as well
[04:15] <holstein> OR, just dont use it..
[04:16] <holstein> i like what Unit193 is suggesting though.. thats plausible.. old packages
[04:19] <user123420d3> thanks.
[04:19] <user123420d3> I did a distro upgrade to 12.04...updating now..
[04:24] <user123420d3> I apt-get upgrade & apt-get update,  but nvidia-173 still refuses to install.
[04:24] <user123420d3> what's the compiler packages i need to compile nvidia?
[04:25] <holstein> user123420d3: whats the issue?
[04:25] <holstein> did you try -f?
[04:25] <holstein> have you tried the one fromthe nvidia site?
[04:27] <user123420d3> "apt-get install -f nvidia-173"  <<didn't work.    I"m downloading the driver from nvidia website now.
[04:28] <Nagg> I am not getitng install boot menu from lubuntu cd. All I get is grub>
[04:28] <holstein> user123420d3: didnt work in what way?
[04:28] <Nagg> But when I put in Ubuntu cd, I get install boot prompt and am able to install it
[04:28] <holstein> Nagg: you cant install?
[04:28] <holstein> Nagg: check the md5 sum
[04:28] <bioterror> Nagg, can you boot from usb pendrive?
[04:29] <Nagg> downlaoded ~700mb file from website
[04:29] <Nagg> amd64 for mac
[04:29] <bioterror> and also, checl your md5 checksum
[04:29] <bioterror> check
[04:29] <Nagg> burned 2 cd's so fa, same issue
[04:29] <holstein> M0hi: is the ubuntu amd64?
[04:29] <holstein> M0hi: sorry... Nagg ^
[04:29] <Nagg> yes
[04:29] <holstein> Nagg: the md5 sum?
[04:30] <holstein> Nagg: confirm that for me real quick
[04:30] <Nagg> holstein: ok give me minute
[04:30] <bioterror> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/precise/release/MD5SUMS
[04:31] <Nagg> ok lot of numbers in this md5 file
[04:31] <user123420d3> Got to exit X.  Installing "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.31-pkg1.run"  via the terminal.
[04:33] <Nagg> not sure how to confirm this
[04:33] <bioterror> really?
[04:33] <Nagg> think I downloaded and got everything fine burning to CD
[04:33] <bioterror> how about you open that website I pasted
[04:34] <bioterror> you copy your md5 sum and try to find it from that "webpage"
[04:34] <bioterror> for example
[04:34] <bioterror> if you cannot compare the sum with bare eyes
[04:34] <Nagg> ctrl+F did not give any matches
[04:34] <bioterror> then your download has failed
[04:35] <Unit193> zsync can just swap out the bad bits.
[04:35] <bioterror> if we are talking about 12.04
[04:35] <Nagg> yea 12.04, downloaded straight from official site
[04:37] <Nagg> Download lubuntu-12.04-alternate-amd64+mac.iso for macbook pro intel 64-bit right?
[04:39] <bioterror> yes
[05:27] <CellTech> Lubuntu 12. Keeps auto logging out.. Why?
[05:28] <holstein> CellTech: you mean, the screen locks and asks for a password?
[05:28] <CellTech> Yeah
[05:28] <holstein> thats the screensaver
[05:28] <CellTech> But I have "don't ask for password" active so I just have t click my name
[05:29] <CellTech> Shouldn't be. my screen was active when it happened
[05:29] <CellTech> I was typing when it happened
[05:29] <holstein> CellTech: OK.. maybe you hit a key combination that slept the device
[05:29] <CellTech> I don't know it's happend 4 times so far
[05:29] <CellTech> Can I just wipe out the screen saver since it's open source? :D
[05:30] <CellTech> not just turn it off but litterally kill it
[05:31] <CellTech> Oh and I understand the lubuntu is just the lightest of ubuntu. But at the log in screen I have the options of choosing ubuntu.. Can I get rid of those so I +
[05:31] <CellTech> only have lubuntu and nothing else?
[05:32] <holstein> CellTech: sure
[05:32] <holstein> you can do what you like
[05:32] <CellTech> So removing gnome isn't gonna hurt anything?
[05:32] <holstein> CellTech: not sure.. if you need gnome for some reason it could i suppose
[05:32] <holstein> shouldnt hurt
[05:32] <holstein> would i remove it? sure
[05:33] <CellTech> I love this lubuntu desktop.. I'm hooked
[05:33] <CellTech> I'd rather have only lubuntu and xubuntu. but no gnome
[05:34] <CellTech> Thank you
[05:36] <bioterror> holstein, !purelxde next time
[05:51] <manitou> strange , just freeze when i start LOSTirc in full screen ! and i think update is started , i get message after (hard) reboot there is canoncil install is failed !?
[06:18] <CellTech> Can I disable "effects" and where do I find it?
[06:18] <M0hi> holstein, thanks for pinging me. its my pleasure ;]
[06:18] <M0hi> CellTech, effects in Lubuntu?
[06:18] <CellTech> Does that exist or is my distro of it just broken?
[06:18] <CellTech> IT does 'crash' alot
[06:20] <CellTech> I do get crashes often with like Bleachbit, and a few other things
[07:05] <dove_g> my new lubuntu installation, after ubuntu it seems like Ubuntu on SSD drive ;)
[07:08] <bioterror> quite good placebo ;)
[07:08] <dove_g> heh
[07:08] <bioterror> but yeah, your computer runs now on steroids
[07:08] <dove_g> yes it does
[07:09] <dove_g> bwt, i've used AWN (dock) on Ubuntu
[07:09] <dove_g> try doyk and cairo, don't like it
[07:09] <dove_g> try docky and cairo, don't like it
[07:10] <dove_g> AWN i do not want to install on Lubunut, because it will install many additional gnome libraries
[07:10] <dove_g> anyway, is there anything smart to use instead of this docks
[07:11] <dove_g> i do not like to have minimized 30 windows
[07:11] <dove_g> for example, if i have started gimp with 5-6 windows, then i will like to have only one gimp minimized window, and when i click on it to show this 6 to choose one
[07:12] <bioterror> if I want dock, I install WMaker
[07:13] <dove_g> ok tnx, i will try wmaker
[07:13] <bioterror> it's a different window manager ;)
[07:13] <bioterror> I really dont know about these "wananbe-os-x" docks
[07:13] <bioterror> they all seem tos uck
[07:14] <dove_g> all i want to have is simple panel at the bottom, and when i minimized gimp with for example 6 windows to minimize as one
[07:15] <bioterror> you can make LXPanel to group similar windows
[07:15] <bioterror> if that's what you're after
[07:16] <dove_g> yes
[07:16] <dove_g> in the moment im looking configuration for that in Taskabar Windows list
[07:17] <bioterror> right click the panel
[07:17] <bioterror> and there's settings
[07:17] <bioterror> (I'm at work and I'm using Windows 7 ;)
[07:18] <bioterror> it does that grouping ;)
[07:18] <dove_g> hehe
[07:18] <dove_g> i ffound it
[07:18] <dove_g> "combine multiple app windows into a single button"
[07:18] <dove_g> thats it, tnx
[07:18] <bioterror> yes
[07:19] <dove_g> WOW
[07:19] <dove_g> thats what i need
[07:19] <dove_g> removing cairo ;)
[07:19] <bioterror> good
[07:19] <bioterror> ;)
[07:21] <CellTech> Back on my Xubuntu machine. Lubuntu 12 was crashing and freezing too much. What's the next BEST and most stable version I can instal?
[07:21] <bioterror> it does not crash!
[07:21] <dove_g> CellTechm what is craching and freezeing?
[07:21] <bioterror> I assume you have installed something weird and so on
[07:22] <CellTech> Everything was crashing and freezing. Synaptic was "installing" a program and froze up for 20min
[07:23] <CellTech> Anyways. not to argue. What's the latest best version I can do... 11's or 10's?
[07:23] <bioterror> if the problem is lubuntu, then this channel would be flooded with same problem ,)
[07:23] <bioterror> latest is 12.04
[07:23] <bioterror> and what it sounded to me, was that you had installed first Ubuntu, and then you just installed lubuntu-desktop and never removed all that gnome stuff
[07:24] <CellTech> Might have. Should I go slave drive and format it with disk utility?
[07:24] <CellTech> Then boot 12.04 from a clean drive?
[07:25] <bioterror> if you have a little more time
[07:25] <CellTech> I've got time :)
[07:25] <CellTech> I'll format it to fat?
[07:25] <bioterror> grab 12.04 alternative, logon to tty and install lubuntu-desktop from there
[07:26] <CellTech> Ok.. Thank you. bbl
[07:26] <Myrtti> you can't for...
[07:26] <bioterror> howdy myrtti
[07:26] <Myrtti> mat it to fat and expect to install linux on it
[07:26] <Myrtti> moaning bioterror
[07:26] <Unit193> That he is.
[07:26] <bioterror> damn these adhd kids and their speedy gonzales acts
[07:27] <Myrtti> that joke might be lost on others
[07:27] <bioterror> Unit193, I dunno if I moan or howl more
[07:28] <Myrtti> to be fair, if I'd be given an euro everytime someone asks me if I'm Moaning Myrtle, I'd be rich
[07:28] <bioterror> hahaha
[07:32] <dove_g> ;)
[07:32] <dove_g> anyone try ubuntu theme on lubuntu?
[07:33] <dove_g> it seems that on latest Lubuntu doenst make dark menu popup panels
[07:35] <bioterror> oh you want darker GTK theme
[07:35] <bioterror> "I see a red door and I want it painted black!"
[07:35] <dove_g> :)
[07:35] <bioterror> honestly, I took 11.10 theme parts to 12.04
[07:36] <dove_g> i've tested this ubuntu like theme on 11.10, and it workds, but it doenst on latest lubuntu
[07:36] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Oneiric/Ozone
[07:39] <dove_g> tnx for link
[07:39] <dove_g> how to install it?
[07:40] <dove_g> just extract to usr/share ...?
[07:40] <bioterror> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17871300
[07:42] <bioterror> sorry
[07:42] <bioterror> wrong linnk :D
[07:42] <bioterror> I sometimes forget on windows, that just painting things is not enough
[07:42] <bioterror> http://maketecheasier.com/theme-up-lubuntu/2011/02/11
[07:44] <dove_g> ok, thats also wrong link
[07:44] <dove_g> i will try to figure it out later
[07:45] <bioterror> that works
[07:45] <bioterror> it gives hints how to do it
[07:45] <bioterror> not that hard
[07:45] <bioterror> just change panel image, button image
[07:45] <bioterror> choose a little darker gtk theme, change some title bars
[07:46] <dove_g> bioterror
[07:46] <dove_g> i've done all that
[07:46] <dove_g> i changed lubuntu 12.04 to look like ubuntu
[07:46] <dove_g> but menus aren't dark
[07:46] <dove_g> maybe there is something new in lubuntu 12.04
[07:47] <dove_g> maybe to edit manualy some .obt files
[07:47] <bioterror> change the from from
[07:48] <bioterror> I have a hole in my mind
[07:48] <dove_g> :)
[07:49] <bioterror> that "widget" section
[07:49] <bioterror> to something else
[07:55] <dove_g> bioterror, yes it works
[07:55] <dove_g> but not only for Ambiance :)
[08:31] <Celltech> sudo apt-get lubuntu-restricted-extras invalid operation...
[08:33] <Unit193> You're trying to apt-get lubuntu-restricted-extras? You don't want to install it?
[08:33] <Celltech> I'm forgetting "Sudo apt-get install aren't I
[08:34] <Unit193> Yes.
[08:34] <Celltech> and lubuntu-restricted-addons?
[08:35] <Unit193> May as well.
[08:35] <Celltech> This is now a FRESH install from a formatted harddrive
[08:39] <Celltech> Now apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. then I'll have a fully functioning system,
[08:39] <bioterror> or, you should have
[08:39] <Celltech> I hope. I did though take the time for fully format this drive and give it brand new life with lubuntu 12.04
[08:48] <Unit193> dist-upgrade for stuff not already installed, but part of update.
[09:05] <PoaB> hi. what do you prefer? lightdm or lxdm?
[09:06] <kanliot> lxdm but who cares
[09:06] <bioterror> it really depends
[09:06] <bioterror> but I say  LightDM
[09:06] <bioterror> as it supports multiple user logons
[09:06] <bioterror> like you dont have to logout and let your mom to login and pay some pills
[09:06] <bioterror> bills
[09:06] <PoaB> <just upgrading and do not know what to select :)
[09:06] <bioterror> you can just change user like in a any modern operating system
[09:07] <kanliot> didn't know that
[09:07] <PoaB> ok ill give lightdm a try
[09:07] <bioterror> and honestly devs decided to wait LightDM to mare
[09:07] <bioterror> mature
[09:07] <bioterror> and then change to it for the 12.04
[09:10] <PoaB> ok now really looking foward to test new dm :). thx
[09:12] <bioterror> I used that user switch feature to test how to get shutdown button back to panel
[09:12] <bioterror> if I remember right
[09:13] <PoaB> well sounds good anyway for me cause i have a HTPC and an anonymous user with sometimes fast switching needs to normal user
[09:15] <bioterror> my HTPC just logs into Openbox session
[09:17] <PoaB> yeah thought about that, too - but i prefer   a full environment cause otr decoder and other prgs
[09:17] <KM0201> you put lubuntu on your htpc?
[09:18] <PoaB> yeah
[09:18] <KM0201> interesting
[09:18] <KM0201> why not just set up a mythtv box?
[09:19] <PoaB> i like the fast environment and full customizable surface
[09:19] <KM0201> hmm, ok
[09:20] <PoaB> well actially i prefer a distro that is used in different environments
[09:20] <PoaB> and i have mythtv
[09:20] <PoaB> starting after lxde :)
[09:21] <KM0201> well, if thats what you like, i won't argue
[09:21] <KM0201> i don't have an HTPC, i've just always heard people rave about mythtv.
[09:22] <KM0201> i built my own NAS, it'll stream to any UPNP device, so... that works for me
[09:22] <bioterror> I have just arch + openbox
[09:22] <bioterror> my system loads slim as login manager and I have autologin configured and then it autostarts XBMC
[09:22] <bioterror> takes about 20secs probably to boot up
[09:23] <PoaB> arch is a little bit to heavy for me :)
[09:23] <gordonjcp> heavy in what sense?
[09:23] <bioterror> it's a lot faster than the Popcorn Hour A-110 which I used before
[09:23]  * gordonjcp uses XBMC4XBOX ;-)
[09:23] <bioterror> gordonjcp, original xbox?-)
[09:24] <PoaB> im not that professional thats why i mentioned heavy ;)
[09:24] <PoaB> huh
[09:24] <gordonjcp> bioterror: yeah
[09:24] <bioterror> gordonjcp, my original xbox blew around 2009 or something
[09:24] <PoaB> im not that professional
[09:24] <gordonjcp> bioterror: I don't use it much
[09:24] <gordonjcp> I think the PSU is on the way out
[09:24] <bioterror> it lived a great life for 7 years running 24/7
[09:24] <PoaB> thats why i mentioned heavy
[09:25] <gordonjcp> bioterror: I may resurrect it and give it to my mum as an HTPC
[09:25] <bioterror> if your mom doesnt watch 720p or higher, why not ,)
[09:26] <PoaB> KM0201, nas is on second server for me.. reduced energy consumption... (synopogy)
[09:27] <KM0201> interesting
[09:33] <airdem> how do i change the language
[09:33] <airdem> ive installed another language but in "language support" settings the new language is gray and i cannot switch
[09:35] <PoaB> sry go to doc with my child now. cya later
[09:36] <KM0201> lol
[09:37] <PoaB> ?
[10:11] <airdem> ive  created a second user with admin privs
[10:12] <airdem> however logged in as the new user i still need to type the first users password to get access to synaptic, etc
[10:12] <airdem> any idea why?
[10:13] <KM0201> hmm
[10:13] <KM0201> is the new user in the sudoers list
[10:14] <airdem> ah
[10:14] <airdem> the new user isnotin sudo group
[10:14] <airdem> omg
[10:15] <KM0201> seems a little weird, if you made it an admin user.
[10:16] <airdem> yeah language switch is weird also
[10:17] <airdem> ill be back in a minute
[10:17] <KM0201> i'm trying unity right now, so i dunno.
[10:22] <airdem> re
[10:23] <airdem> ive installed turkish language and place it  on top via drag drop
[10:23] <airdem> but the user interface and all is still english after relogin
[10:32] <airdem> now both users are in sudo group
[10:32] <airdem> but still always asking for first users pw
[11:44] <airdem> can anyone confirm that its  impossible to change the language in lubuntu?
[11:45] <airdem> installed a new lang, dragged it on top, restartet, still english
[11:46] <airdem> anyone on lubuntu 12 willing to install a foreign lang to test it for me
[11:46] <airdem> ?
[11:51] <kanliot> how do you install a lang?
[11:52] <airdem> preferences->language support->install button on bottom
[11:58] <airdem> kanliot: is it working for you?
[11:58] <kanliot> hmm it asked me to install something maybe i shouldnt hve clicked later
[11:58] <kanliot> it said language support was incomplete
[11:58] <kanliot> anyhow i cant switch to the new language
[11:59] <kanliot> not sure if i need to reboot
[11:59] <kanliot> i donno
[11:59] <airdem> you need to drag it to the top
[11:59] <airdem> above english
[12:00] <kanliot> ok now what
[12:00] <airdem> well the tooltip say after dragging it on top
[12:00] <airdem> you just need to relogin to activate
[12:00] <kanliot> ok will do
[12:00] <airdem> thank you
[12:02] <kanliot> yeah nearly everything is in the new language
[12:02] <airdem> now thats strange
[12:02] <airdem> you did the same as i did
[12:03] <airdem> maybe turkish language is broken
[12:03] <airdem> i need rto try another lang, thank you very much
[12:03] <kanliot> lol now where is the language thing
[12:03] <kanliot> i cant read it
[12:03] <airdem> you have no icons?
[12:03] <airdem> look for a blue flag :)
[12:03] <kanliot> icons?
[12:03] <kanliot> ok
[12:03] <kanliot> blue flag
[12:04] <airdem> brb
[12:05] <kanliot> well i could try turkish too
[12:05] <kanliot> woudl that help?
[12:12] <airdem> not working
[12:20] <airdem> where do i have to copy this http://pastebin.com/3U8tvRr0 to get lang working?
[12:22] <bioterror> airdem, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables
[12:25] <airdem> bioterror: .pam_enviroment contains already lanf settings (german)
[12:25] <airdem> but the interface is not in german
[12:25] <airdem> i guess its not working
[12:25] <bioterror> see for the system wide
[12:25] <airdem> *lang
[12:26] <airdem> systemwide > per suer settings?
[12:26] <airdem> *per user
[12:26] <bioterror> probably
[12:26] <airdem> makes no sense
[12:27] <airdem> then the per user settings would be useless
[12:27] <bioterror> probably
[12:27] <bioterror> :-)
[12:28] <airdem> ubuntus language settings (especially the gui) is foobared
[12:28] <airdem> they should feel ashamed
[12:31] <PoaB> wow. not that easy to get from 11.10 to 12.04
[12:32] <PoaB> apt-get install -f throws out an error 1 (--configure) on lxdm. any experience or hints?
[12:32] <gordonjcp> PoaB: nuke and pave
[12:34] <PoaB> ok try to remove lxdm package now
[12:34] <bioterror> purge lxdm
[12:34] <bioterror> as you're going to need LightDM
[12:35] <bioterror> but seems like apt-get is showing it's true nature now on these updates ;)
[12:36] <PoaB> ok purged now. try to restart that thing now
[12:37] <bioterror> restart what?
[12:37] <bioterror> the update process?
[12:37] <PoaB> the system :)
[12:37] <bioterror> why?
[12:37] <bioterror> if your update is not went thru yet
[12:37] <bioterror> or has not
[12:37] <bioterror> any ways
[12:38] <bioterror> make sure you have all the latest packages
[12:38] <PoaB> yepp update is finished
[12:38] <PoaB> do-release and apt-get has no more errors actually
[12:39] <bioterror> and you have lightdm installed?
[12:39] <PoaB> uh oh. thought thats done - man
[12:40] <PoaB> ok i apt-get lightdm
[12:40] <bioterror> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[12:42] <PoaB> well guys what would i do if i won't have you
[12:42] <PoaB> thx bioterror going through now
[12:42] <bioterror> you had packages missing?
[12:43] <PoaB> actually no - newest version installed apt says
[12:43] <bioterror> okay
[12:44] <bioterror> then probably you have all the needed
[12:45] <PoaB> hmm apt-get install lightdm asks me to install 78 packages?!...
[12:45] <bioterror> :D
[12:45] <bioterror> sudo apt-get remove lubuntu-desktop
[12:45] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[12:45] <razvan986> hy there
[12:45] <bioterror> and see what it calculates to be pulled in your system
[12:45] <bioterror> as the lubuntu-desktop is a meta package
[12:46] <bioterror> I hate it when apt-get does that :D
[12:46] <bioterror> hi razvan986
[12:46] <razvan986> damn..i get so many erorr reports from  Lubuntu software center and radio tray :((((
[12:46] <razvan986> is this 12.04 still stable
[12:46] <razvan986> ?
[12:46] <razvan986> :))
[12:47] <bioterror> solid like a rock, like a planet
[12:47] <razvan986> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-software-center/+bug/927198
[12:47] <bioterror> but I'm off from work
[12:47] <bioterror> laters.
[12:50] <PoaB> ok there are some new packages now (around 18) i will give him a shot
[12:51] <PoaB> hmpf pulseaudio too. i love alsa :D
[12:52] <PoaB> restart
[12:54] <PoaB> well. no :(
[12:55] <PoaB> let me check
[12:56] <PoaB> what? apt-get update says 111 packages to update
[12:57] <PoaB> i try - totally wired actually
[13:00] <PoaB> seems to go through a real master upgrade. some versions are updated some minor and major version in sub-packages
[13:06] <PoaB> there are also some lubuntu icon packs updated now - from 0.18 to 0.27 or similar. thonk that's good :)..
[13:07] <Nephrite> is there any way to change colour of volume, power, net etc... applets?
[13:08] <Nephrite> they were white on 11.10
[13:09] <Nephrite> now gray for some reason...
[13:10] <PoaB> isn't that a png? i think i saw this as graphics some minutes ago as i started a corrupt lxde and icons weren't shown
[13:12] <Nephrite> so i have to find png file and redraw it manually, right?
[13:12] <Nephrite> huh...
[13:13] <PoaB> i'm real unsure now what to do because apt-get dist-upgrade wants tobinstall another 350 packages
[13:13] <PoaB> Nephrite, i think so but i really have no idea
[13:13] <phillw> PoaB: please read the release notes.... you need to update your installer software :)
[13:15] <phillw> PoaB: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu#PrecisePangolin.2BAC8-ReleaseNotes.2BAC8-CommonInfrastructure-1.Upgrades
[13:16] <Nephrite> ok... (grabs axe) tell me the home address of a guy who thinks that changing UI is fun...
[13:18] <phillw> Nephrite: as I use lubuntu, CentOS and RedHat.... I'm fairly laid back on UI's :) I'm looking forward to going having the latter two back as VM's under lubuntu :D
[13:19] <PoaB> phillw: i thought do-release-upgrade -d does that?.. now upgrading apt
[13:20] <phillw> no, you must update the updaters 1st! It was only found late and affects all distros (hence it having CommonInfrastructure in its name).
[13:24] <PoaB> ok did a update on apt now. so apt dist-upgrade is a good idea now? do-release-upgrade has nothing to do actually..
[13:26] <phillw> did you also update dpkg?
[13:27] <PoaB> yes
[13:28] <phillw> you should be good to go. Just bear in mind - we always recommend backing up your /home at the very least... Bad things happen to good computers!
[13:31] <PoaB> thx.  continue with process now.
[13:35] <BatchHeader> I am having trouble moving on to 12.04. I was originally using Ubuntu 11.10 but the 12.04 needs pae support on the processor. I do not have this. I was reading forums that were saying that Lubuntu 12.04 didn't need this suuport. I have downloaded the 32bit iso file and made USB stick to boot from. Unfortunately I still get the same error when booting.  Any ideas or way forward?
[13:42] <k013> dear experts, i'm on lubuntu 12.04, please tell me how i can adjust the screen brightness?
[13:42] <Tichodroma> use the screen controls?
[13:45] <k013> Tichodroma - there's a brightness control under the power manager, what screen controls are you talking about?
[13:45] <Tichodroma> the buttons and dials that your screen (the hardware) probably has
[13:47] <theluckymike> hello. I tried to install oracle-java7-installer, but it didnt install very well. now i got: 1 not fully installed or removed. and it shows up everytime when I use apt-get something
[13:47] <k013> Tichodroma - its a laptop, but under ubuntu you know there's a screen option, where the brightness can be sdjusted by a slider.
[13:47] <theluckymike> how can I remove it completely ?
[13:48] <Tichodroma> theluckymike, sudo dpkg --purge <package>
[13:48] <theluckymike> Tichodroma: dpkg: error while cleaning up:
[13:48] <theluckymike>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[13:48] <theluckymike> Errors were encountered while processing:
[13:48] <theluckymike>  oracle-java7-installer
[13:49] <Tichodroma> sudo apt-get --fix-broken remove oracle-java7-installer
[13:50] <venerabl13> Hi, wich is the difference between: Main officialy supported software & Main Sources Repository here www.repogen.symplylinux.ch
[13:50] <phillw> theluckymike: try http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=87 (use leafpad instead of gedit)
[13:50] <phillw> I wrote it a while back, but it should still apply. Let me know if it does not work.
[13:50] <theluckymike> Tichodroma, still error, phillw  - will try, thx
[13:52] <k013> Tichodroma - its a laptop, but under ubuntu you know there's a screen option, where the brightness can be sdjusted by a slider.
[13:52] <PoaB> phillw, bioterror: thx for support up and running now-have still to configure details but i should be able to do this on my own
[13:52] <venerabl13> Can anyone answerme please?
[13:58] <theluckymike> phillw, worked perfectly ;) thx
[13:59] <theluckymike> phillw, only Oracle Java7 Web Start still shows under menu-Internet, how I can earse it there?
[14:07] <blop123> hey everyone, I just switch to lubuntu 12.04 and am now using chromium. I just realized that i can install ff as well as chrome/chromium extensions, which ones should I rather use?
[14:08] <Tichodroma> depends on what you like more :)
[14:11] <blop123> ^^, that doesn t really help me :P I was a convinced ff user hence I know the extensions' name. now i found out that most of them have a chromium version (usually in beta version). But is there any difference as to how well they work within chromium?
[14:12] <EvilResistance> depends on which extensions
[14:12] <EvilResistance> i've found them to be more stable and more developed/feature-rich in Firefox, personally
[14:13] <BatchHeader> Further to this>>" I am having trouble moving on to 12.04. I was originally using Ubuntu 11.10 but the 12.04 needs pae support on the processor. I do not have this. I was reading forums that were saying that Lubuntu 12.04 didn't need this suuport. I have downloaded the 32bit iso file and made USB stick to boot from. Unfortunately I still get the same error when booting.  Any ideas or way forward?" I have found -->
[14:14] <EvilResistance> BatchHeader, which error is this?
[14:15] <BatchHeader> <-- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall whihc gives a 32-bit non PAE minimal ubuntu ISO.  Even with this I receive  "This kernel requires the following features not present on CPU: pae. Unable to boot - please use a kernel approriate for your CPU
[14:16] <blop123> Since they have been developed for a longer time under ff that sounds logical. Now the question is whether I should use the ff extension IN Chromium instead of the ones developed specifically for chromium?
[14:16] <kanliot> batchheader file a bug
[14:16] <BatchHeader> oh
[14:17] <BatchHeader> Thank you
[14:17] <EvilResistance> blop123, under no circumstances
[14:17] <EvilResistance> blop123, do that, you risk exploding web browsers
[14:18] <blop123> EvilResistance: well then my question is answered ;-)
[14:18] <blop123> EvilResistance: jajaja, maybe, maybe not. the thing is though that chromium does recognise the .xpi files and suggests installing them
[14:19] <EvilResistance> yeah, but the difference is those programs don't have the same API/code-style
[14:19] <EvilResistance> they may both use .xpi, but that doesnt mean they're compatible with each other
[14:19] <EvilResistance> (this is why chromiums' are in Beta, because they have bugs and stuff that havent been hammered out in Chromium and the extensions themselves)
[14:19] <blop123> ohh xD i didn t think about that ..... = ='
[14:20] <blop123> thanks for the enlightenment
[14:31] <blop123> is there any alternative to noscript for chromium?
[14:49] <phillw> theluckymike: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#I_don.27t_know_how_to_make.2BAC8-add_a_application_to_.22start.22_menu. has details as to where the menu options are stored. Simply go hunt down the one you wish to remove.
[14:53] <blop123> what is the difference between installing libreoffice from the packet manager or download it directly from their website?
[14:53] <JohnDoe_71Rus> think no difference
[14:54] <blop123> ^^ i would like to be sure
[14:54] <JohnDoe_71Rus> from ppa you get update often
[14:55] <blop123> it doesn t need a ppa
[14:55] <blop123> you can find it now directly in the official packet manager
[14:55] <JohnDoe_71Rus> Updates are checked more often than you come to the site
[14:55] <blop123> alright
[14:56] <blop123> then that is how i ll proceed ;-) thanks
[14:56] <JohnDoe_71Rus> earlier version of the old distribution has been only in ppa
[14:57] <razvan986> hello from Romania
[14:57] <JohnDoe_71Rus> Hi from Russia
[14:57] <razvan986> its so hot outside toDAY
[14:57] <razvan986> :((
[14:58] <razvan986> anyone can help me with radio tray
[14:58] <razvan986> ?
[14:58] <valdur55> razvan986, Hey! What is your problem?
[14:59] <razvan986> radio tray crashed with gError in notify: GD bus.error:org.freedesktop.D.bus.error.ServiceUnknown. The name org.freedesktop.Notifications was not provided by any service file
[14:59] <valdur55> !help | razvan986
[14:59] <valdur55> lubuntu. what version ?
[14:59] <razvan986> latest
[14:59] <razvan986> 12.04
[14:59] <valdur55> notifications ... here is problem. :).
[15:00] <razvan986> cant see song title in notifycation area....and i get those annoying error reports every time song changes
[15:00] <razvan986> ive installed libnotigy
[15:00] <razvan986> what to do next?
[15:00] <razvan986> it still bugs me
[15:00] <razvan986> :))
[15:01] <valdur55> python-notify ?
[15:01] <razvan986> hmmmmm. 1 sec to verify
[15:02] <razvan986> yes i have it ,...version 0.1.1-3
[15:02] <razvan986> reinstallit
[15:02] <razvan986> ?
[15:03] <valdur55> nope.
[15:03] <razvan986> i have done twice with libnotify
[15:04] <razvan986> yesterday ive reinstaalled libnotify and worked...but today..same problem
[15:04] <razvan986> weird
[15:05] <valdur55> use notify-osd :P
[15:06] <razvan986> oups internet problems
[15:06] <razvan986> caould you repeat
[15:06] <valdur55> razvan986, Hey! Try notify-osd
[15:06] <razvan986> ok
[15:07] <razvan986> hmm it wasnt intalled
[15:07] <razvan986> :(
[15:07] <razvan986> maybe this shoul do
[15:07] <razvan986> it
[15:08] <razvan986> yeap
[15:08] <razvan986> thanks a lot
[15:08] <razvan986> may god bless you
[15:08] <razvan986> if you belive in god :)
[15:09] <razvan986> it works
[15:09] <razvan986> :) hehehe
[15:12] <JohnDoe_71Rus> lubuntu 11.10. kvirc + firefox. links can not be opened by double clicking. in settings kvirc handler url = run firefox $0
[15:12] <valdur55> :) notification-daemon doesn't support dbus
[15:34] <blop123> is it normal that the skype and aircrack packages aren t anywhere to be found?
[15:35] <dove_g> http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/
[15:35] <EvilResistance> enable the universe and multiverse repositories and check again
[15:37] <sagaci> blop123, aircrack-ng isn't in wheezy so therefore isn't in 12.04
[15:38] <razvan986> i am using skype in 1.04 with no problems
[15:38] <razvan986> 1.04
[15:38] <razvan986> 12.04
[15:38] <razvan986> stupid keyboard :)
[15:39] <blop123> sagaci, hence there is no way to install it from the old repositories?
[15:39] <holstein> blop123: you could look for the .deb online, or a PPA
[15:40] <blop123> skype isn t the real problem. but aircrack is just annoying to compile ^^
[15:41] <sagaci> I dare say the aircrack forums would have more info on compiling on 12.04
[15:41] <blop123> true that ;-) i just wanted to check whether I missed in the package manager
[15:42] <blop123> +it
[15:42] <sagaci> well, unfortunately it won't be packaged in ubuntu via universe until at least 12.10
[15:43] <phillw> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+package/aircrack-ng states that upstream has ceased support.
[15:45] <blop123> that is unfortunate but i think i ll survive :P
[15:46] <dove_g> did you try this link for aircrack installation?
[15:46] <dove_g> http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=downloads#debian_packages
[15:56] <Alexisgx2> Hi, I have a problem with file-roller, when I open a zip file and try to drag the compressed file to the desktop or a folder, a message appears and the cursor freezesand I can move the cursor, but clicking does not no response.
[15:56] <dove_g> where to configure keyboard shortucts, I would like to disable Ctrl+F11, tnx
[15:59] <phillw> dove_g: information on key bindings (where they are etc) can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#I_want_to_bind_a_key_to_lock_my_screen.2C_how_do_I_do_it.3F
[15:59] <phillw> look for the Ctrl-F11 one :)
[16:00] <Alexisgx2> File-Roller Message: extraction not taken: do not have permission to extract archives in the folder
[16:01] <sagaci> is lxkeymap supposed to output http://paste.ubuntu.com/957782/
[16:02] <dove_g> tnx
[16:07] <dove_g> huh
[16:07] <dove_g> lxkeymap is crashing
[16:07] <dove_g> doesnt start
[16:08] <sagaci> i'm filing a bug
[16:09] <dove_g> sagaci, you have the same prob?
[16:09] <sagaci> yep
[16:09] <sagaci> see paste ^^
[16:11] <phillw> sagaci: dove_g do you mean this one in the release notes? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu#Applications
[16:12] <sagaci> looks like bug 945603
[16:13] <sagaci> phillw, is it the kind of thing that can be SRU'ed?
[16:13] <phillw> sagaci: it is already known of by the devs - so will already be receiving attention.
[16:14] <dove_g> sagaci, dont know
[16:14] <dove_g> can't start lxkeymap at all
[16:14] <dove_g> fresh 12.04 install
[16:14] <sagaci> dove_g, try running it from the terminal to see if you get the same traceback
[16:15] <dove_g> aha ok
[16:16] <dove_g> Traceback (most recent call last):
[16:16] <dove_g>   File "/usr/bin/lxkeymap", line 628, in <module>
[16:16] <dove_g>     window = LxkeymapWindow()
[16:16] <dove_g>   File "/usr/bin/lxkeymap", line 86, in __new__
[16:16] <dove_g>     new_object.finish_initializing(builder)
[16:16] <dove_g>   File "/usr/bin/lxkeymap", line 156, in finish_initializing
[16:16] <dove_g>     self.config.set('Global', 'Variant', self.variant_current[0])
[16:16] <dove_g> IndexError: list index out of range
[16:16] <sagaci> preferably pasted
[16:16] <sagaci> yep, same thing
[16:16] <dove_g> ok tnx
[16:16] <phillw> click on the affects me to receive notifications as to the progress of it.
[16:17] <phillw> it is already allocated to the Head of Dev.
[16:18] <sagaci> looks like it's in the staging ppa
[16:18] <sagaci> but I'll wait til everyone gets it
[16:19] <phillw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxkeymap/+bug/945603/comments/15 seems to have the patch.
[16:25] <dove_g> leafpad doens't support (color) php?
[16:28] <phillw> leafpad does not have syntax support, if that is what you mean?
[16:29] <loin> does lubuntu install with uefi support?
[16:29] <phillw> My preference is to use bluefish for coding work, but there are quite a few to choose from out there.
[16:31] <dove_g> yes, phillw, ok tnx
[16:32] <phillw> loin: the only real info I can find re uefi & ubuntu (which includes all the *buntu's) is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[16:34] <loin> phillw, i know there are guides
[16:34] <loin> i've been trying to follow about a hundred in the past hours
[16:34] <loin> i was wondering if *buntu managed to automate the process yet
[16:38] <phillw> you'd be better asking on #ubuntu. as it is part of the core system, lubuntu will use what we are given :)
[16:40] <phillw> if they cannot answer, try asking on #ubuntu-devel
[16:42] <loin> i asked but any question gets lost in #ubuntu in a matter of seconds
[16:42] <loin> too many posts
[16:42] <loin> i'll just give up and install windows lol
[16:42] <loin> i hate doing this
[16:43] <loin> all this wouldn't of happened if mandriva used gparted instead of whatever the crap it uses
[16:43] <loin> it ruined my partition table
[16:43] <phillw> loin: then do as I said... ask on #lubuntu-devel - They will be the ones who can tell you 100% the status of it :)
[16:44] <loin> thanks
[16:45] <phillw> loin: sorry, typo... #ubuntu-devel
[16:56] <Hokar123> is it possible to upgrade lubuntu by cdimage?
[16:56] <Hokar123> is it possible to upgrade lubuntu by cdimage?
[16:57] <EvilResistance> !repeat
[16:57] <EvilResistance> have patience :)
[16:58] <Hokar123> doublepost beacause of client lag
[17:00] <phillw> Hokar123: you should be able to, I've only seen an issue going from ubuntu 10.04 --> 12.04. Lubuntu 11.10 --> 12.04 should be fine. But, DO ensure you update apt and dpkg before upgrading.
[17:01] <Hokar123> problem ist that the update utility needs 280mb more than i have aviable
[17:03] <phillw> if you update you apt and dpkg from oneric repos, you can do a command line upgrade.
[17:08] <phillw> Hokar123: if you need to use the alternate image due to lack of RAM to upgrade, just be aware of a possible bug noted at http://askubuntu.com/questions/125512/cant-upgrade-with-cdromupgrade
[18:00] <hydro> i'm having trouble getting the wireless to work on my computer can someone help me?
[18:00] <gordonjcp> hydro: don't ask to ask
[18:01] <hydro> um... okay thats basically my problem, but ill go into more detail
[18:01] <gordonjcp> yes please
[18:01] <PoaB> hey guys playing around with 12.04 a little bit now. i have a little issue with sound. because i have only a hdmi monitor in 11.10 i had to use a alsa configuration (~/.asoundrc) but the old config didnt't work for 12.04 now. i surfed a little bit on lubuntu.org but see no changes in the sound usage. could it be that something changed? e.g. a soundserver now or something like this?
[18:02] <gordonjcp> check it's not all muted
[18:03] <hydro> if i right-click on the wireless icon in the corner at has an "enable wireless" option and an "enable networking" option, the networking option is checked and the wireless option is not, when i click the enable wireless option nothing at all happens
[18:03] <gordonjcp> is there a hardware switch for wireless?
[18:03] <hydro> yes and it is definitly on, i even tried turning it off and then back on
[18:03] <gordonjcp> what does "sudo rfkill list" say?
[18:04] <hydro> it says that acer-wireless is hard blocked
[18:04] <hydro> is that the problem?
[18:05] <gordonjcp> yeah
[18:05] <gordonjcp> now you say the switch is *on*, right?
[18:05] <hydro> yes it is
[18:05] <gordonjcp> oh hang on, I had this
[18:05] <PoaB> gordonjcp: i checked already "aplay -l" that list the device, control in lxde shows volume 100%, alsamixer shows active hdmi soundcard
[18:05] <gordonjcp> have you got an ethernet cable plugged in?
[18:05] <hydro> no i'm using another computer for irc
[18:06] <gordonjcp> hm, when I had that problem it was because plugging in the wired ethernet cable hardblocked wifi
[18:06] <gordonjcp> anyway, have a fiddle about with rfkill etc and see what happens
[18:07] <hydro> oh wait i misread it, sorry. it actually says that acer-wireless is soft blocked but not hard blocked
[18:07] <gordonjcp> oh right
[18:07] <gordonjcp> so if you turn it off you'll see it'll be hard blocked
[18:07] <gordonjcp> you can use rfkill to turn off soft block but I can't remember the syntax off the top of my head
[18:08] <hydro> i turned off the hardware switch and did sudo rfkill list but it still says hard blocked: no
[18:08] <hydro> weird
[18:09] <gordonjcp> oh well
[18:09] <gordonjcp> don't take it as gospel
[18:10] <gordonjcp> you're doing this as root, right?
[18:10] <hydro> well i haven't actually installed it yet, its running of the boot disk
[18:11] <hydro> i'm not sure if it runs in root or what under the boot disk
[18:11] <PoaB> pulseaudio is not implemented in 12.04 right? or active now?
[18:11] <gordonjcp> you'd use sudo for that
[18:13] <hydro> but wait, there is 4 entries under rfkill list, and i'm not sure witch one i should be looking at
[18:13] <hydro> i was using sudo
[18:17]  * PoaB
[18:18] <hydro> i'm not sure how to use sudo rfkill unblock index type
[18:19] <hydro> what is supposed to be the index? and the type?
[18:23] <hydro> when i run nm-tool it tells me that wlan0 state: unavailable
[18:25] <Nikkos> Hello everybody
[18:28] <PoaB> ok guys after having some problems with 12.04 lubuntu-upgrade this noon i did a apt-get dist-upgrade now e.g. pulseaudio is installed. and "lsb_release -a" shows ubuntu 12.04 lts. the big question is now did i installed now the full 12.04 of ubuntu and have no clean lubuntu 12.04 installation or is pulseaudio a standard package now??
[18:31] <Nikkos> I've been using Lubuntu for a few days, but i have a problem regarding the UI: it looks like the text in some buttons and dropdown menus is not showing correctly. For instance, here's the screenshot of the Openoffice "FIle" menu: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/screenshot1lks.jpg/. And here's one of the "Save As" window: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/256/screenshot2ak.jpg/. Does anybody know how to fix this? Thanks
[18:35] <hydro> i still can't get my wireless working, its a Centrino Wireless-N 1000
[18:35] <hydro> there is a driver loaded for it iwlwifi
[18:38] <PoaB> anybody can confirm that pulseaudio is now installed with 12.04 lubuntu?
[18:40] <dove_g> sec
[18:41] <dove_g> pulseaudio isnt installed
[18:43] <PoaB> thx . then i did a wrong release update this noon :( . oh man..
[18:43] <dove_g> :)
[18:43] <KM0201> pulseaudio is never installed in lubuntu (you can install it if you want though.. i personally needed it to make a mic work properly)
[18:46] <hydro> when i run sudo lshw -C network, it says *-network DISABLED, is there a way to enable it?
[18:49] <IAmNotThatGuy> hydro, is it wired network or a wireless?
[18:49] <IAmNotThatGuy> if wired, try sudo ifconfig eth0 up, For wireless sudo ifconfig eth1 up
[18:49] <hydro> its a wireless network
[18:50] <hydro> it tells me   ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device
[18:50] <IAmNotThatGuy> hydro, try running that command. If it is not enabled yet, then disable the wireless driver in additional drivers and try to activate it again
[18:50] <IAmNotThatGuy> argh!
[18:51] <hydro> how do i disable the wireless driver?
[18:51] <IAmNotThatGuy> Steetings additional driver ?
[18:51] <IAmNotThatGuy> setting*
[18:52] <KM0201> hydro: well, what wireless device do you have?
[18:53] <opmo> * which version? network not running? saying "waiting 60 seconds more" no network config found? is this the problem?
[18:53] <hydro> do you mean preferences > additional drivers? because i have no internet connection on that computer.... my wireless device is "Centrino Wireless-N 1000" i believe
[18:53] <KM0201> is that a USB?
[18:53] <hydro> no its a wireless card
[18:55] <hydro> i'm running lubuntu 12.04 (beta i think) and the wireless appears to be turned off, it displays no networks and the option for "enable wireless" is unchecked
[18:55] <KM0201> so.. you're trying to disable the card, just right click your networking applet, and uncheck " enable wireless"
[18:55] <KM0201> or is the driver conflicting with something, and you need to remove the driver.
[18:56] <hydro> km0201, no i'm trying to enable the card, right-clicking networking applet and checking "enable wireless" does absolutely nothing
[18:56] <KM0201> ok, hold on, i'm confused as hell, let me review this, i thought you werre trying to disable it.
[18:56] <hydro> alright
[18:56] <IAmNotThatGuy> hydro, can you check the 'enable wireless' combo box?
[18:56] <opmo> hydro try etc/network/interfaces   what is written here?  and   etc/NetworkManager/Networkmanager.conf   what is in there?
[18:57] <hydro> IAmNotThatGuy, no i can't.
[18:57] <IAmNotThatGuy> also run sudo rfkill list all
[18:58] <KM0201> i'm curious what driver the centrino needs.
[18:58] <IAmNotThatGuy> hydro, pastebin the result of what opmo and I have mentioned
[18:58] <hydro> IAmNotThatGuy, no i can't.
[18:58] <IAmNotThatGuy> I'm reading some fix but not sure whether it will work
[18:58] <IAmNotThatGuy> http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/608
[18:58] <hydro> IAmNotThatGuy whoops accidently hit enter
[18:58] <IAmNotThatGuy> hydro, np :]
[18:59] <hydro> IAmNotThatGuy, i can't pastebin because i'm on a different computer with irc, as the one i'm trying to fix has no internet and i don't have a lan cable
[18:59] <hydro> ill type it though
[19:00] <IAmNotThatGuy> okies.
[19:00] <hydro> [main] plugins=ifupdown,keyfile dns=dnsmasq  [ifupdown]  managed=false
[19:01] <opmo> change managed= to true
[19:01] <opmo> managed=true
[19:01] <hydro> okay
[19:01] <opmo> u have to open as sudo
[19:01] <opmo> change it and save it
[19:02] <hydro> how do i open as sudo, i've forgotten.. .is it like sudo vi NetworkManager.conf?
[19:02] <KM0201> sudo nano /path/to/file.conf
[19:03] <KM0201> (vi is not installed by default on lubuntu i don't believe)
[19:03] <opmo> or in file mager tools > open current folder as root
[19:03] <KM0201> hmm, never tried tha tone
[19:04] <loin> i installed windows on my hard drive, i know it's there but it doesn't show in gparted
[19:04] <loin> it says all the hard drive is unallocated
[19:04] <opmo> when u changed it tell us the other stuff what IAmNotThatGuy and i mentioned
[19:04] <loin> however if i ls in /dev i can see sda1 and sda2
[19:05] <hydro> okay i changed it to true
[19:05] <opmo> hydro tell us the other stuff what IAmNotThatGuy and i mentioned
[19:06] <hydro> which stuff?
[19:06] <opmo> is in etc/network/interfaces ur wireless lan listed?
[19:06] <M0hi> I think this nick is short and easy ;]
[19:07] <opmo> hydro   sudo ifconfig eth1 up
[19:07] <hydro> opmo i still get the same error i got before
[19:08] <opmo> hydro do the rest of the stuff and tell us
[19:08] <M0hi> hydro, We have asked you to tell about the results of 1) contents in etc/network/interfaces 2) contents in etc/NetworkManager/Networkmanager.conf and 3) run sudo rfkill list all and its output
[19:10] <hydro> alright, 1) auto Io iface Io inet loopback 2) same as before but i changed managed to true 3) everything is unblocked except 1:acer-wireless:Wireless LAN soft blocked
[19:11] <M0hi> aww softblocked
[19:11] <hydro> is that bad?
[19:11] <M0hi> sudo rfkill unblock acer-wireless
[19:12] <hydro> it says acer-wireless is a bogus argument
[19:12] <hydro> i couldn't figure out the syntax before when i was trying to unblock it
[19:14] <M0hi> hydro, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+question/192546
[19:15] <M0hi> Hope that will help you
[19:15] <opmo> hydro etc/network/interfaces sounds good    about rfkill i dont know
[19:15] <M0hi> also try sudo rfkill unblock all
[19:16] <hydro> m0hi i did but it didn't change the output of rfkill list
[19:16] <M0hi> #9 in https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+question/191500 states that the issue is solved by using the steps.
[19:17] <M0hi> hydro, please do check the links I've shared with you
[19:17] <hydro> i am
[19:17] <M0hi> I believe that will solve your issue
[19:17] <bioterror> |purelxde | PoaB
[19:17] <hydro> alright ill try booting into windows and changing those settings
[19:17] <hydro> ill let you know when i'm done
[19:18] <bioterror> !purelxde | PoaB
[19:18] <M0hi> bioterror, Wake up from the sleep :P
[19:19] <dove_g> where is garbage in lubuntu?
[19:19] <bioterror> M0hi, I was partying!
[19:20] <M0hi> dove_g, Trash?
[19:20] <dove_g> yes
[19:20] <bioterror> in a secret place
[19:20] <dove_g> recycle bin
[19:20] <bioterror> :D
[19:20] <bioterror> under ~/.share/
[19:20] <M0hi> LOL
[19:22] <dove_g> tnx for none help, found it
[19:22] <dove_g> anyway, trash:///
[19:24] <bioterror> sorry
[19:24] <bioterror> it was ~/.local/share/Trash
[19:25] <dove_g> np :)
[19:25] <dove_g> i found it
[19:25] <bioterror> no, you cannot have icon that changes if it's full, empty or something between it
[19:26] <dove_g> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1942854
[19:26] <dove_g> aha i understand
[19:26] <dove_g> i dont need it
[19:26] <dove_g> trash:/// is quite fine with me
[19:34] <Hokar123> i want to upgrade to 12.04 but my netbook only has 4gb disk space. is there a way to download the updates to an external drives
[19:35] <bioterror> yes
[19:35] <bioterror> mount your /var/ into another drive
[19:36] <bioterror> or you can just mount /var/cache/apt/
[19:36] <bioterror> edit /etc/fstab and add it there
[19:36] <hydro> following the instructions to try and fix my wireless, and it wants me to reboot, but i am running of the boot disk? what should i do?
[19:38] <PoaB> ubottu: thx did it XD
[19:39] <IAmNotThatGuy> WHAA!!! you are trying out the changes in a boot disk?
[19:39] <IAmNotThatGuy> PoaB, actually, thank bioterror ;D
[19:39] <PoaB> bioterror: ok thank you XD
[19:39] <hydro> um... yes, i don't want to install linux until i'm sure it will work with my computer
[19:40] <IAmNotThatGuy> :p hehe... it will work or try it with vmware
[19:40] <IAmNotThatGuy> not with a live CD
[19:40] <hydro> i've had tons of problems getting a virtual machine running on my new computer since its 64 bit
[19:41] <Hokar123> could i just create a link from /var/cache/apt for that purpose?
[19:41] <IAmNotThatGuy> hydro, did you try virtualbox?
[19:42] <hydro> IAmNotThatGuy yes, ill try it again though
[19:43] <IAmNotThatGuy> you should mount it to the external hard drive or other stuff Hokar123. I didn't get the link part
[19:43] <IAmNotThatGuy> hydro, okies
[19:45] <Hokar123> ln -s /externaldrive/apt /var/cache/apt
[19:45] <bioterror> no
[19:45] <bioterror> it will not work
[19:46] <bioterror> unless you give rm -rf first to that apt
[19:46] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror, followed by / ? :P
[19:46] <bioterror> :D
[19:46] <IAmNotThatGuy> oh apt :P
[19:46] <bioterror> you said it, no tme
[19:47] <Hokar123> first i moved the apt directory to the external drive
[19:57] <Hokar123> seams to work for now
[20:09] <xeroxcontrol_> bonsoir
[21:07] <ChesterX> hey guys, i just installed the chinese input methods but can t find the "pinyin" one. Any idea where I could find it? or how to download it?
[21:08] <Unit193> !info ibus-pinyin
[21:21] <hydro> IAmNotThatGuy virtualbox is not working for me, the virtual machine acts tottally different than my computer, so i think what i'm going to do is just dual boot it first
[21:23] <Unit193> That's the best option for testing it.
[21:23] <hydro> i hate dual booting for no reason, but it'll be fine until i make sure its working right
[22:33] <Celltech> Effects... I see 'streams' when I open and close windows.. Can I turn that off?
[22:35] <Fleck> hey, my install crashes on slideshow everytime
[22:35] <Fleck> can i install in terminal
[22:35] <Fleck> ?
[22:44] <pcroque> Fleck: You can try the alternate install iso. It's text-based.
[22:44] <Fleck> ok thx
[22:45] <Fleck> this sucks btw... some stupid slideshow crashes install :(
[22:45] <KM0201> Fleck: how much RAM does your PC have?
[22:45] <Fleck> 512MB
[22:45] <KM0201> the alt. cd is another good suggestion, but if you're not experienced installing Linux, it can be intimidating
[22:45] <KM0201> Fleck: thats why, live cd install requires 1gig
[22:46] <Fleck> :(
[22:46] <KM0201> once installed, 512 should be fine
[22:47] <KM0201> do you plan on setting this up as a dual boot?
[22:47] <Fleck> nope
[22:47] <Fleck> just linux
[22:47] <KM0201> or will it be the only OS on the machine
[22:47] <Fleck> just one linux
[22:47] <KM0201> oh, well then the alt. cd is easy, just answer the questions, and when it comes to partition stage, just tell it to "take over the whole drive" and it will do it all automatically for you.
[22:48] <KM0201> but you'll definitely need the alt. cd, w/ only 512mb of ram
[22:48] <Fleck> no problem, i am linux user for more that 10yrs :D
[22:48] <KM0201> oh, well, then you'll have no problem.
[22:48] <Fleck> so i know how to partition etc... in fdisk, cfdisk or debian install or any other way! :)
[22:49] <KM0201> ok
[22:49] <Fleck> just
[22:49] <Fleck> The desktop CD allows you to try Lubuntu without changing your computer at all, and at your option to install it permanently later. This type of CD is what most people will want to use. You will need at least 384MiB of RAM to install from this CD.
[22:50] <Fleck> need to update info! :)
[22:50] <KM0201> Fleck: hmm, that doesn;'t make sense then.. cuz every ubuntu live cd i've used/tried, required at least 1gig.
[22:50] <KM0201> i'd be very surprised if you could actually install from a live cd, w/ only 384mb
[22:51] <Fleck> no clue, thats why i tried to install normal desktop CD :D
[22:52] <Fleck> anyways, burning alternate CD! :)
[22:52] <Fleck> thx for help!
[22:52] <KM0201> np, best of luck
[22:53] <Fleck> thx, ill stick around here :P
[22:53] <Fleck> 24/7 @ freenode anyway
[22:54] <MrChrisDruif> Fleck; for offtopic/team chatter you could also join #lubuntu-offtopic
[22:55] <Fleck> MrChrisDruif ok, sorry, was that offtopic? :)
[22:55] <MrChrisDruif> Fleck; that wasn't the issue. I was only saying that you might "enjoy" that channel more instead of just lurking in this channel
[22:56] <Fleck> ok :)
[22:56] <Fleck> good, thx! :)
[22:57] <Fleck> installing! :)
[22:58] <Fleck> that was easy & fast! :)
[23:00] <PoaB> installing all the time.. enough for today - gn8 all
[23:00] <Fleck> bye
[23:22] <AVP> hey how do i use Evolution to access my yahoo account?
[23:25] <KM0201> AVP: hang on a sec.
[23:27] <KM0201> can evolution do IMAP?
[23:27] <KM0201> hmm, guess he didn't care
[23:27] <KM0201> lol
[23:42] <Fleck> nvidia-96 : Depends: xorg-video-abi-10 but it is not installable
[23:42] <Fleck> i guess thou, its nothing to do with lubuntu :D


[00:37] <kaushal> Hi
[00:38] <kaushal> Any idea about the comment #5 in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/784604 when is it going to be available in the repos ?
[00:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 784604 in sun-java6 (Ubuntu) "a new java version is available for download (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[00:43] <kaushal> Can someone please comment about what does confirmed mean
[00:43] <kaushal> does it mean its acknowledged by dev team
[01:10] <kaushal> Checking in again for the query
[01:19] <greg-g> kaushal: confirmed usually means that at least one other person is experiencing the issue
[01:22] <kaushal> ok
[01:22] <kaushal> greg-g: when is it going to be available ?
[01:33] <hggdh> kaushal, unknown ATM.
[01:36] <kaushal> ok
[10:34] <benonsoftware> Do you know why in Launchpad when I try to Triage a bug it's disabled?
[10:36] <autra> You're part of bugsquad only ?
[10:37] <autra> (too late :-(  ))
[11:36] <brendand> lp issues on a bug day. crikes
[11:59] <evfool> yep brendand, lp keeps timeouting here too
[14:38] <brendand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/793291 should be Low Importance, as it's pretty much a corner case
[14:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 793291 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "DoS window manager with extremely long error (affects: 1) (heat: 1134)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:42] <RedSingularity> brendand: done
[14:42] <brendand> RedSingularity - thx
[14:42] <RedSingularity> brendand: no prob :)
[14:47] <pedro_> brendand, is that a window manager crash or a nautilus crash?
[14:48] <pedro_> can't reproduce it here btw
[14:48] <brendand> pedro_ - well no, the whole window manager doesn't crash.
[14:48] <brendand> pedro - if you run that code no window appears
[14:48] <brendand> pedro_ - but if you run it with a shorter name then one does
[14:49] <brendand> pedro_ - sometimes you see the window flicker and appear briefly before disappearing
[14:50] <hggdh> why is it a DoS?
[14:51] <pedro_> the title is really confusing..
[14:54] <pedro_> anyways that's something to send upstream, they might have a better idea on what's going on there
[14:54] <hggdh> brendand, one exercise left is to find out up the minimum size ;-)
[14:54] <pedro_> as brendand said is really a corner case
[14:55] <brendand> pedro_ - do you know anywhere i could look to see if the window manager/nautilus actually crashed?
[14:55] <roadmr> brendand: maybe .xsession-errors
[14:55] <pedro_> brendand, ~/.xsession-errors
[14:55] <pedro_> heh
[14:55] <pedro_> roadmr, was faster, hello btw!
[14:56] <roadmr> hello!
[14:58] <brendand> pedro_ - astonishingly, this could be a bit more severe than i thought
[14:58] <brendand> pedro_ - once i run 'nautilus `python -c "print 'A' * 1000"`' in a terminal, compiz starts going a bit nuts
[14:59] <brendand> pedro_ - corrupts launcher and dash in the area where the window would have gone
[14:59] <pedro_> ah maybe because the window is gigantic
[14:59] <brendand> pedro_ - so might be a compiz thing, just a really big window is a good way to make it happen
[14:59] <RedSingularity> hggdh: meeting at 1900 UTC correct?
[15:00] <pedro_> brendand, i'm trying with metacity , wait a sec
[15:01] <pedro_> brendand, yeah looks like a window manager issue, its crashing metacity
[15:01] <pedro_> i'm getting a nice BadAlloc
[15:08]  * brendand wishes people would file bugs where you don't have to do 30 mins of your own investigation to figure out what they meant
[15:08] <pedro_> is changing (add/remove) tags working for anybody?
[15:08] <pedro_> in lp of course :-P
[15:09] <pedro_> here is just showing me the loading icon and then nothing is changed
[15:09] <brendand> pedro_ - i still reckon it's low importance. quite the corner case. i think 1000 chars does it at the moment
[15:09] <pedro_> brendand, yup indeed
[15:10] <CarlFK> is there a cli to extract the stuff between ---[ cut here ]- and ---[ end trace ?
[15:15] <hggdh> RedSingularity, correct
[15:19] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting
[15:19] <pedro_> it says 1700 UTC hggdh RedSingularity
[15:20] <hggdh> pedro_, argh! Foiled again by the Google Calendar :-( thanks
[15:20] <jibel> CarlFK, perl is your friend, something like: perl -ne "print if /^---\[cut here/ ... /^---\[end/" path/to/your/trace.file
[15:21] <jibel> CarlFK, modify the regex as needed of course
[15:22] <CarlFK> jibel: yeah, just thinking if there was a util it would have other fancy features too
[15:22] <jibel> CarlFK, perl has many other fancy features ;-)
[15:22] <roadmr> perl is so fancy
[15:22] <CarlFK> swell
[15:26] <brendand> pedro_ - the bug is in the window manager not nautilus, but seems to happen in both window managers (metacity and compiz). should i move the original to compiz and raise a new one in metacity, or 'also affect' metacity?
[15:26] <pedro_> brendand, that sounds good, yes please
[15:27] <pedro_> brendand, thanks for looking at the issue!
[15:27] <CarlFK> [    0.000000] Your BIOS is broken; DMAR reported at address 0!
[15:28] <CarlFK> how do I dump the bios so I can compare it to a 2nd box that doesn't error?
[15:30] <hggdh> CarlFK, when looking for an utility, it _may_ help running 'apropos'
[15:31] <hggdh> CarlFK, for example, 'apropos bios'
[15:31] <CarlFK> ohh cool
[15:31] <hggdh> CarlFK, from the output I see 'biosdecode (8)       - BIOS information decoder' <- this may, or may not, help
[15:33] <hggdh> CarlFK, a caveat... it all depends on the search argument (and if there actually is anything that deals with it)
[15:39] <hggdh> CarlFK, but... this sounds like a bad BIOS. This may, or may not, work: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=245794
[15:41] <CarlFK> enable virtualization - good chance that's the diff between the 2 boxes
[15:41] <CarlFK> thanks
[15:42] <CarlFK> these boxes have really annoying bios setup, so I didn't want to have to try and walk though each screen looking for the diff
[15:45] <brendand> pedro_ - in metacity do you see any 'blurring' in the area where the window should have been?
[15:45] <brendand> pedro_ - that's what i get in compiz
[15:47] <CarlFK> hggdh: yep. virt was different.  synced them, now both crash :)
[15:50] <pedro_> brendand, nope i don't see that, that's probably due to the compositor
[15:51] <pedro_> brendand, i just see a 'huge' window
[15:51] <hggdh> CarlFK, heh
[15:51] <brendand> pedro_ - i thought metacity crashed?
[15:52] <pedro_> brendand, yup i'll open the bug about it in a few since it's a memory crash need to get a valgrind log
[16:05] <RedSingularity> hggdh, me too.  I have 1900 written here.
[16:06] <hggdh> RedSingularity, you may need to update the entry, we did change from 1900 (every other week) to 1700 every week
[16:06] <hggdh> RedSingularity, what foiled me is Google calendar never showing UTC
[16:07] <RedSingularity> hggdh: yeah.  Looks like someone updated the page already.  good.
[16:09] <brendand> compiz bug tracker has only 38 bugs? something fishy about that to me...
[16:23] <charlie-tca> huh? we changed the bugsquad meeting to weekly?
[16:25] <charlie-tca> hggdh: go to calendar settings, add a time zone, utc, and click on show all timezones
[16:25] <charlie-tca> It will then show both UTC and normal timezones side-by-side
[16:36] <hggdh> charlie-tca, still... I cannot see the additional TZ :-(
[16:40] <charlie-tca> hggdh: probably told you wrong again. take a look here and find this - http://imagebin.org/157528
[16:53] <loganaden> hi
[17:02] <braiam> Hi loganaden
[17:06] <loganaden> braiam hi
[17:08] <hggdh> charlie-tca, you told me right, it is Google vs. Me ;-)
[17:50] <pedro_> BugSquad Meeting in ~10 minutes at #ubuntu-meeting
[17:50] <pedro_> not here at #ubuntu-meeting don't forget about that
[17:55] <pedro_> BugSquad Meeting in ~5 minutes at #ubuntu-meeting
[17:59] <pedro_> BugSquad Meeting now at #ubuntu-meeting
[20:21] <drowned1723> hi everyone, got a question about filing a bug-report and wheter my problem is even a bug
[20:22] <drowned1723> ma ubuntu 11.04 is not booting after installing the latest updates (which included newer versions of xserver, gdm and plymouth)
[20:23] <drowned1723> can i revert these packages to the old ones and should i report a bug?
[20:39] <brendand> drowned1723 - if the updates weren't from -proposed then you should report a bug
[20:40] <hggdh> drowned1723, ideally you should report a bug first -- even on a -proposed kernel (may be a regression)
[20:40] <brendand> drowned1723 - what hggdh says is true actually
[20:41] <drowned1723> happened on a clean install of ubuntu 11.04, just 1 day old.
[20:41] <drowned1723> i will report a bug against plymouth
[20:41] <brendand> drowned1723 - why plymouth?
[20:41] <brendand> drowned1723 - plymouth is just a splash screen
[20:42] <drowned1723> i would say it's a graphics problem, as the kernel wasnt updated
[20:43] <hggdh> drowned1723, if you can add (screenshots are OK) the boot messages it may help
[20:43] <drowned1723> no boot messages, as the screen goes blank immediatly after grub beeps
[20:44] <brendand> 1. Hold Shift during Grub boot delay to access the boot menu.
[20:44] <brendand> 2. Select your actual Ubuntu boot line and press "e" to edit it.
[20:44] <brendand> 3. Select the "linux" line and at the end of the line, remove "splash" and "quiet".
[20:44] <brendand> 5. Press "F10" to boot the custom boot line.
[20:45] <hggdh> try a recovery startup, or edit the kernel options to take out the graphical options
[20:45] <brendand> as above
[20:45] <hggdh> heh. brendand was faster ;-)
[20:45] <drowned1723> i updated grub via livecd to not include the quiet splash. still the same
[20:45] <brendand> hggdh - with instructions and all ;)
[20:45] <hggdh> :-)
[20:45] <drowned1723> and grub won't show the menu when hitteing shifgt
[20:46] <hggdh> drowned1723, even on a recovery boot?
[20:46] <drowned1723> how do i get into recovery boot? via grub menu?
[20:46] <hggdh> oh. You do not see the grub menu...
[20:46] <drowned1723> yep
[20:47] <roadmr> drowned1723: you need to use the left shift key, just keep it pressed while booting the computer, grub menu *should* come up
[20:47] <roadmr> drowned1723: also you mentioned grub beeps, that's when you need to hit shift (if grub beeps, it means you enabled the GRUB_INIT_TUNE
[20:48] <drowned1723> i kept hitting it, not keeping it pressed. i should try that.
[20:48] <drowned1723> it wont even show the blinking cursor thats normally displayed beore the splash screen
[20:49] <drowned1723> reinstalling grub from live cd didn't help either
[20:49] <roadmr> it's really strange that grub died altogether :-/
[20:50] <hggdh> another option is to boot from a liveCD (or the alternate ISO), and select to mount your root disk
[20:51] <drowned1723> i mounted my root partition, chroot into it, edited /etc/default/grub to not include quiet splash and did grub-update
[20:51] <drowned1723> that's also where i enabled GRUB_INIT_TUNE
[20:52] <hggdh> you can also change GRUB_TIMEOUT="-1"
[20:52] <hggdh> this will cause grub to wait until you select an entry
[20:53] <roadmr> um, well if grub is picking up changes, it means it's not entirely dead :)
[20:54] <hggdh> for reference, this is my grub setup: http://paste.ubuntu.com/622821/
[20:56] <hggdh> time to restart after upgrades BRB
[21:00] <drowned1723> i changed GRUB_TIMEOUT="-1" and will try reboot..brb
[21:01] <brendand> drowned1723 - if plymouth is off (quiet splash removed) then the bug can't be in plymouth
[21:01] <drowned1723> we will see, after the restart ;)
[21:01] <drowned1723> by
[21:02] <brendand> roadmr - i don't understand his problem :/
[21:03] <roadmr> brendand: I have no idea either, he said after updating, I've done that and I'm still running
[21:03] <brendand> roadmr - hardware specific?
[21:04] <roadmr> brendand: maybe, if he upgraded the kernel, but there are usually no nasty regressions like that on minor updates
[21:04] <roadmr> his drivers might not have migrated to the new kernel but then again, he'd get at least a splash or some text before crashing
[21:05] <brendand> roadmr - kernel hasn't changed for natty
[21:05] <brendand> roadmr - since release - has it?
[21:05] <brendand> roadmr - i don't recall any SRU's going past
[21:05] <roadmr> brendand: you're right, it's still -8
[21:05] <roadmr> brendand: however, -10 is already in -proposed
[21:06] <brendand> roadmr - that's not going anywhere because of a regression.
[21:06] <brendand> afaik
[21:06] <hggdh> there was, IIRC, a nasty regression on current natty -proposed
[21:07] <roadmr> brendand: wohoo, well I know of at least one bug reporter that was using -10
[21:07] <brendand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/792013
[21:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 792013 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 9 other projects) "linux: 2.6.38-10.44 -proposed tracker (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Medium,In progress]
[21:07] <drowned1723> i'm back. was able to boot into recovery mode using low graphics.
[21:07] <roadmr> drowned1723: hey, great to see you made it!
[21:08] <drowned1723> thx.
[21:08] <brendand> drowned1723 - what gfx card to you have and what kernel version are you on? (uname -a)
[21:08] <brendand> drowned1723 - and welcome back :)
[21:08] <drowned1723> 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP
[21:08] <drowned1723> gfx is a radeon 6800 i think.
[21:08] <hggdh> the best (guaranteed) way of finding the kernel build is via /proc/version_signature
[21:09] <brendand> drowned1723 - that hasn't changed then since release
[21:09] <drowned1723> ages old, still using AGP
[21:10] <brendand> brb
[21:10] <drowned1723> i haven't used proprietary drivers, but the default one
[21:10] <brendand> drowned1723 - 'radeon'?
[21:10] <drowned1723> i guess? where can i check that?
[21:11] <brendand> lspci -vvnn
[21:12] <brendand> drowned1723 - have to find the card in there and look at the kernel driver in use field
[21:12] <drowned1723> Kernel driver in use: radeon
[21:14] <brendand>  MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM#;/?????????????????????????????????????[
[21:14] <drowned1723> i'm confused
[21:15] <roadmr> whoa
[21:16] <brendand> my daughter - lol :)
[21:16] <brendand> note to self - keep computer out of reach
[21:16] <drowned1723> ^^
[21:18] <drowned1723> so, how do i proceed, to find the screwup in my system?
[21:24] <brendand> drowned1723 - you really don't see any messages when  booting?
[21:26] <drowned1723> no messages. immediately showing a black screen.
[21:27] <drowned1723> i havent tried starting it from the grub menu yet. but there is no quiet splash in the bootoptions, just the way i have configured grub
[21:28] <drowned1723> i'll try booting the normal option from the grub menu, see if there are any messages. brb
[21:35] <drowned1723> now i'm completely confused. the normal boot option booted whitout splash right into gnome 2, as it's supposed to. only it's very low resolution like in recovery mode
[21:36] <drowned1723> and system->pref->monitors won't detect my monitor, which worked perfectly fine before the updates
[21:39] <roadmr> drowned1723: does everything else work fine? could you check the video driver you're using, as you did earlier? could you run xrandr -q and see which resolutions are listed, and which one you're currently using?
[21:42] <drowned1723> max resolution listed is 1024x768, but it should be full HD
[21:44] <drowned1723> kernel driver in use: radeon
[21:48] <drowned1723> everything seems to work fine, sound, video (flash) etc.
[21:49] <drowned1723> seems to me, that EDID is not read succesfully
[21:51] <roadmr> and  this worked well prior to the upgrade, right? for instance, do you see the full list of resolutions if you boot with a livecd?
[21:51] <drowned1723> yep
[21:52] <roadmr> hehe sorry for asking two questions :) I guess the more interesting one is the second: a livecd shows you the full list of resolutions, correct?
[21:52] <drowned1723> yes it does. and it correctly sets the resolution to 1080p
[21:52] <roadmr> drowned1723: ok, so I think you might be on the right track with the EDID thing
[21:53] <drowned1723> edid is handled by which package? xorg?
 latest Oneiric updates seem to have broken gdm/wireless
[21:53] <roadmr> drowned1723: I think so. Maybe comparing the /var/log/Xorg.0.log files could yield a clue; the one from your broken installation, and the one from the LiveCD
[21:54] <roadmr> hggdh: heh on Oneiric I don't even get a panel and/or Unity, I have to launch a terminal and work from there
[21:56] <roadmr> drowned1723: You could file a bug on xorg, if you decide to do so, I think the copy of the LiveCD Xorg.0.log would be useful, to be attached to the bug in addition to what apport does
[21:56] <drowned1723> guess i have to restart into the livecd and copy the xorg.0.log. anything else i should look for/copy while i'm at it?
[21:57] <roadmr> drowned1723: I don't think so, I think filing a bug is the way to go, apport will attach package version information and relevant log files, just add the LiveCD one afterwards
[21:57] <drowned1723> ok, will do that.
[21:57] <roadmr> drowned1723: that way all the relevant info is in one place and we're not exchanging information piecemeal like we've been doing
[21:57] <roadmr> drowned1723: thanks :)
[21:58] <roadmr> drowned1723: here's some info on what the X team likes to see in their bug reports: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Reporting
[21:58] <drowned1723> btw: if i force the older version of xorg to be installed via synaptics, are there going to be severe consequences for my system?
[21:59] <roadmr> drowned1723: as long as all the other dependencies get correctly downgraded, I don't think so, but I can't offer any guarantees :P
[22:00] <roadmr> drowned1723: you could also ask in #ubuntu-support about the downgrading thing, someone in there might have some experience with that
[22:01] <drowned1723> thanks. i will file the bug report, attach the live-cd-xorg-log and then try to downgrade.
[22:01] <drowned1723> thank you all for your help, very much appreciated =)


[08:02] <Laney> xnox: "once"? what about UIF?
[08:02] <Laney> p.s. hi
[09:25] <darkxst> Hey Laney
[09:40] <asac> anyone can look at [09:40] <asac> and tell me if that changes anything in the ui?
[09:40] <asac> those are staged and just wanted to punt them in the archive... just double checking because of the freezes
[09:42] <Laney> hi darkxst
[09:42] <Laney> asac: I guess #ubuntu-unity would know more
[09:42] <asac> ok thought you were the integration experts :)
[09:43] <Laney> well, certainly not /me/, at least for that stuff :P
[09:43] <Laney> but the CI guys should be in unity anyway
[09:50] <darkxst> Laney, so T will move to 3.10?
[09:50] <Laney> darkxst: I'd expect so
[09:50] <Laney> might have similar time problems as we had this cycle though
[09:50] <darkxst> ok, right now there is big problem with the xrandr stuff being moved into mutter
[09:50] <darkxst> probably it will need to be copied into Unity
[09:51] <darkxst> the changes to gnome-desktop will be incredibly messy to revert for unity only
[09:52] <Laney> oh, what did they do?
[09:52] <darkxst> all the display config stuff is now a dbus api in mutter
[09:52] <Laney> ah, guess this is some abstraction over X/Wayland
[09:53] <darkxst> yeh mutter abstracts all that away, so gnome-desktop neednt have any idea whether running X or wayland
[09:53] <Laney> I suppose unity (or something) wants to implement this interface too then
[09:53] <darkxst> yup
[09:53] <Laney> fun
[09:54] <darkxst> it would be cleanest in Unity I guess
[09:55] <Laney> I suppose file a bug at least
[09:56] <Laney> seems like it'll lead to a lot of duplication
[09:57] <darkxst> Laney, I'm guessing Mir doesnt use xrandr etc?
[09:57] <darkxst> although Xmir might?
[09:58] <Laney> xmir will need to, sure
[11:15] <davmor2> Daft Question time.  Empathy, with google moving to it's own system, microsoft moving to sykpe, and facebook only working some of the time, isn't it just a poor irc client now?
[11:17] <jpds_> davmor2: Have some empathy.
[11:18] <davmor2> jpds_: :)
[11:41] <Mirv> ogra: can you check/ack content-hub packaging changes? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6132295/
[11:42] <Mirv> comes down to adding glib/gsetings/libnih dependenies
[11:58] <ogra> Mirv, shipit
[11:58] <Mirv> ogra: ok
[12:26] <pitti> Good morning
[12:27] <desrt> pitti: hello!
[12:27] <pitti> it's a desrt! hey mate, how are you?
[12:27] <RAOF> desrt, pitti: Good morning.
[12:27] <desrt> still down in the delta?
[12:28] <pitti> hey desrt
[12:28] <pitti> desrt: yes, last conf day; will fly back tomorrow
[12:28] <desrt> pop quiz: pitti and RAOF both wish you good morning.  which one uses the word 'mate' in his greeting?
[12:28] <desrt> RAOF: hi :)
[12:28] <desrt> pitti: what kind of swanky events did they have this year?
[12:29]  * desrt sort of regrets not coming
[12:31] <pitti> desrt: we had a "Mardi Gras" parade on Wednesday evening, right through the city (with police escort)
[12:31] <pitti> desrt: right into the "House of Blues" where they had an awesome band (and buffet and bar, of course)
[12:31] <desrt> figures :p
[12:32] <desrt> linuxcon events are getting ridiculous :p
[12:33] <desrt> was it fun? :)
[12:34] <pitti> desrt: yes, much
[12:34] <desrt> last year's campfire-on-the-beach thing was pretty sweet too
[12:34] <pitti> desrt: I've hung out in bars with life music three times this week now, it's just an amazing place for that
[12:35] <desrt> ya... we have some pretty good jazz clubs in toronto with live music every night... but i just can't imagine what it's like down there
[12:35] <desrt> probably completely off the charts
[13:10] <xnox> Laney: i think it all landed on time.
[13:41] <attente> mterry, hi
[13:41] <mterry> attente, hello
[13:42] <attente> mterry, do you have time to do a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/unity-greeter/indicator-keyboard/+merge/179057 ?
[13:42] <Laney> xnox: I don't think so, because it's now UIF and there is no upload
[13:43] <xnox> Laney: right, sorry. ubuntu-themes upload happened in time for UIF, but not wallpapers.
[13:44] <Laney> ho hum!
[13:44] <Laney> kenvandine: do you have default wallpaper news? ;-)
[13:45] <kenvandine> Laney, no... i was just looking to see if he emailed me again
[13:45]  * kenvandine pings
[13:45] <Laney> roxor
[13:45] <kenvandine> not on irc... jounih emailed me yesterday saying it was ready and what format i needed it in
[13:46] <kenvandine> i told him and asked him to email it to me asap... and nothing
[13:49] <mterry> attente, does that need an FFe?
[13:50] <attente> mterry, too be honest, i'm not sure
[13:50] <attente> should i file one anyways?
[13:50] <mterry> attente, and maybe we should convert any values of "ug-keyboard" we see into "keyboard" and drop our custom ug-keyboard code, if it's not useful anymore
[13:50] <mterry> attente, probably?
[13:51] <attente> mterry, sure
[14:40] <kenvandine> Laney, i got the wallpaper and updated it
[14:40] <kenvandine> Laney, but... the package fails to build with --fail-missing, which was already there
[14:41] <kenvandine> missing the translations
[14:41] <Laney> those are new
[14:41] <Laney> it's conceivable there could be problems there :-)
[14:41] <kenvandine> oh... the translations are new?
[14:41] <Laney> ya
[14:41] <Laney> well, I just turned it on in LP
[14:41] <kenvandine> i see
[14:41] <Laney> so they'll be newly exported to the branch now
[14:46] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-wallpapers/13_10/+merge/186813
[14:46] <kenvandine> Laney, ^^
[14:46] <kenvandine> mind giving that a review?
[14:46] <Laney> hah
[14:46] <Laney> I was getting ready to blame glib for a bug
[14:46] <Laney> but it turned out to be me :)
[14:46] <kenvandine> haha
[14:46] <kenvandine> there are no bugs in glib
[14:46] <kenvandine> :)
[14:47] <Laney> jbicha: who is ubuntu-docs now?
[14:49] <Laney> woo, proper space listing in u-s-s
[14:49] <Laney> desrt: what a GREAT API!
[14:50] <desrt> Laney: can i see the patch?
[14:50] <Laney> not yet
[14:51] <desrt> ah.  you're working on it?
[14:51] <Laney> yeah, need to report when it's in progress
[14:51]  * desrt is happy to see the fruits of his labours appreciated so rapidly
[14:51] <Laney> I don't think the way I used the async api from c++ is very nice
[14:51] <desrt> ah.  nice.  you're gonna do the progress?
[14:51] <Laney> just in progress/not
[14:51] <desrt> ah.  fair enough.
[14:52]  * desrt likes to see the counters go up as a form of progress reporting
[14:52] <Laney> could do that I suppose
[14:52] <Laney> but it'd be annoying to make that work with the bar thing
[14:52] <desrt> ya... seb said he didn't want progress reporting this way
[14:52] <jbicha> Laney: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/saucy
[14:53] <desrt> i only added it because they want to use this API in nautilus and sushi now
[14:53] <Laney> fair enough
[14:54] <Laney> so I made a struct to pass as user_data to the callback function which contains the 'this' pointer, and a counter so we know when all of the operations are finished to emit the signal which updates the UI
[14:54] <Laney> seems janky
[14:58] <desrt> you're doing it for all of the user's documents/downloads/photos/videos/etc. folders?
[14:58] <Laney> videos/audio/pictures
[14:58] <desrt> if you want to report those as a single consolidated size, that's pretty much what you have to do, i figure
[14:59] <Laney> nah, individually
[14:59] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AboutThisDevice#phone-storage
[15:00] <desrt> interesting.
[15:00] <desrt> so do you show progress for the whole thing until you know all the answers?
[15:00] <desrt> or do you fill in each category as you find it?
[15:00] <Laney> I'm doing it all at once
[15:01] <desrt> i assume you also dispatch the async ops at the same time
[15:01] <Laney> ya
[15:01] <desrt> (which is a great idea from a performance standpoint btw)
[15:01] <desrt> you're pretty much doing it the correct way, then
[15:01] <Laney> I just keep a counter and when they're all in then fire off the event
[15:01] <Laney> which makes QML fetch the values again
[15:02] <Laney> ok, thanks
[15:02] <Laney> you can see the reality in a little while
[15:02] <desrt> i'll be happy to take a look.  gimme a ping.
[15:13] <tedg> desrt, Do you know of an easy way to go from PID to DBus bus name?
[15:13] <desrt> tedg: no.
[15:13] <tedg> I mean, clearly I can get the list and go through getting PIDs, but I was looking for something more elegant.
[15:13] <desrt> mostly because a given PID could have multiple bus names
[15:13] <tedg> Hmm, okay.
[15:14] <tedg> True, I'd take an array :-)
[15:14] <desrt> (and not just multiple well-known names.... but there could be multiple DBus libraries involved)
[15:14] <desrt> tedg: i think you'd pretty much need to iterate over all the names on the bus, asking for PIDs and do the reverse mapping
[15:14] <desrt> tedg: the good news is that it's only two roundtrips to do that...
[15:15] <tedg> desrt, ?  GetConnectionUnixProcessID only takes a string?
[15:15] <desrt> tedg: dispatch all of them at the same time
[15:15] <tedg> desrt, Seems I'd have to call it for each.
[15:15] <tedg> Oh, yes.
[15:15] <desrt> the art of dbus: look for ways to decrease roundtrips
[15:15] <tedg> I was thinking reducing messages.
[15:15] <desrt> ya.  you're stuck on that point, unfortunately
[15:15] <tedg> Still n messages.
[15:16] <desrt> messages don't matter as much as context switches
[15:16] <desrt> and in this case you're in luck, because you'll end up with fewer context switches than messages _and_ because you're talking to the bus daemon, so the number of switches is already halved
[15:16] <tedg> Multi-core FTW!  ;-)
[15:16] <desrt> ie: it's not that bad...
[15:17] <tedg> Naw, it's not.  But it's a little brute force.  Was hoping there was a lookup I didn't know about.
[15:17] <desrt> you could maybe propose a new API
[15:17] <desrt> what are you trying to do with it?
[15:17] <tedg> Unfortunately this is a "done by Tuesday" type of thing.
[15:17] <desrt> lol
[15:17] <tedg> Not time for that in v1.0
[15:18] <desrt> looking up bus names for PIDs seems slightly suspect...
[15:18] <tedg> It's okay, according the apparmor I'm "trusted" ;-)
[15:18]  * desrt needs to have a chat with apparmor
[15:18] <desrt>  (( "psst... don't you know this guy works for the NSA?" ))
[15:19] <tedg> It's clear Ubuntu needs to switch to SELinux so I'll be trusted again!
[15:19] <desrt> tedg: i mean it seems suspect from a code-smell standpoint
[15:20] <tedg> desrt, I agree, and I think we should add API for it.
[15:20] <tedg> desrt, But that'll obviously take longer than I have right now.
[15:20] <desrt> tedg: no... i mean the desire to map PIDs to busnames is suspect
[15:20] <tedg> desrt, But it can be hidden from users.
[15:20] <desrt> what are you trying to do?
[15:21] <tedg> desrt, Basically implement the org.freedeskop.Application calling on secondary activation for confined apps.
[15:21] <tedg> desrt, But I only know PIDs
[15:21] <desrt> why not just send a message to the well-known name?
[15:22] <tedg> Confined apps can't have well known names.
[15:22] <desrt> O_o
[15:22] <ochosi> robert_ancell: we tried to debug the restart-menuitem-missing bug in lightdm a bit more, it seems to return "challange" instead of "yes"
[15:22] <desrt> okay.  i don't want to know :)
[15:22] <ochosi> robert_ancell: when querying "gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.login1 --object-path  /org/freedesktop/login1 --method org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanReboot"
[15:23] <robert_ancell> ochosi, huh, mine returns yes
[15:23] <robert_ancell> ochosi, it might be a PolicyKit issue
[15:23] <ochosi> robert_ancell: that call was run when logged out
[15:24] <ochosi> robert_ancell: when logged in, it also returns "yes" for me
[15:25] <desrt> tedg: how are you going to deal with processes that have multiple DBus connections?  introspection?
[15:26] <tedg> desrt, Haven't decided.  Trying to decide how evil it would be to just send the message to all and have them reject.
[15:26] <desrt> tedg: this is what i was talking about when i mentioned code smell :)
[15:28] <tedg> desrt, I think that this is probably something we could also add to the dbus daemon, a way to query the filters of a another process.  Then we'd get "introspection" at least enough to avoid many of these cases.  Though, definitely need to think about it more.
[15:28] <desrt> tedg: i think you should allow each confined app to own exactly one well-known bus name
[15:28] <desrt> ie: its ID
[15:29] <desrt> way easier to avoid these types of hacks this way
[15:29] <tedg> desrt, We can't because we don't want confined apps to see other confined apps on the system.  Also, which connection gets to be "the" connection?
[15:29] <desrt> tedg: whichever one claims the name first
[15:29] <desrt> same as normal dbus rules
[15:30] <desrt> except that you'd reject name ownership requests for anything but the one name that is allowed
[15:30] <tedg> But then for instance my HUD might not work because it's gdbus because my qtdbus connection was faster.
[15:30] <desrt> tedg: dbus doesn't work like that....
[15:30] <desrt> the connection that wants to have the well-known name has to request it
[15:31] <tedg> Sure, but if both of them need to be "the" connection.  Then they'll both request it.
[15:31] <desrt> no...
[15:31] <desrt> in the gapplication case if you have qtdbus coming up as well, only the gdbus connection will try to grab the app's well-known name
[15:31] <desrt> the qtdbus connection won't -- it will remain as having only the unique name
[15:31] <desrt> it doesn't matter which one comes up first
[15:31] <desrt> this is already happening in (probably) dozens of apps running on your system today
[15:31] <tedg> Sure, but let's say you're using GApplication and libubuntufoobar,which happens to want to be on "the connection" too.
[15:32] <tedg> The problem is identity.
[15:32] <tedg> They all want to be on "the" connection then.
[15:32] <desrt> tedg: well-known names are added to the connection _after_ it is opened (and maybe after it has been used for a while, by other parts of the process)
[15:32] <desrt> so it doesn't matter who brings up which connections, or by which library
[15:32] <desrt> the name won't be acquired until GApplication tries to grab it
[15:33] <tedg> I understand the dbus part here.  The issue is that both libubuntufoo and libubuntubar want to be on the connection with the well known name.
[15:33] <desrt> tedg: why?
[15:33] <tedg> If libubuntufoo uses a different dbus implementation than libubuntubar they can't both be there.
[15:33] <desrt> tedg: that's already a problem in existing dbus
[15:33] <tedg> Correct.  It is.
[15:33] <desrt> and it's not a problem that we've ever really .... had a problem with
[15:34] <tedg> So that's why having a wellknown name per-app doesn't help.
[15:34] <desrt> tedg: unless you're doing _exceptionally_ strange things with well-known names, this just isn't a problem
[15:34] <tedg> Well, there are work arounds in thing like libdee to deal with it...
[15:34] <desrt> tedg: not afaik?
[15:35] <desrt> libdee does fall into what i would consider an exceptionally strange use of well-known names, but it is pretty elegant, actually
[15:35] <tedg> Look at how libdee registers well known names... crazy.
[15:35] <desrt> libdee shares a wellknown name between multiple processes as a token
[15:35] <tedg> Yes.  I know.  And it gets a lot of robustness there as well.
[15:35] <desrt> indeed.  very elegant
[15:35] <desrt> but certainly not the sort of thing that GApplication is doing
[15:36] <desrt> and if you're forbidding well-known names entirely, you're going to break the dee case anyway
[15:36] <desrt> (which may be appropriate.  i'm not commenting on that)
[15:36] <tedg> Yup.  So anyway.  We're blocking well known names.  And I have to work around that in this case. :-)
[15:37] <tedg> Trying to make that not suck as much as possible.
[15:37] <desrt> it's going to suck lots :)
[15:37] <desrt> it's also going to be super-racy
[15:37] <desrt> but i guess that's the design choice you made....
[15:38] <tedg> We should a NoSQL-like thing where we upload javascript snipets to the dbus-daemon to execute to make things less racy.
[15:38]  * tedg solves all the problems
[15:38] <tedg> ;-)
[15:38] <desrt> we already have name activation.  it's pretty much the perfect tool to take care of what you're trying to take care of.
[15:39]  * desrt doesn't really feel like discussing this further
[17:54] <desrt> Laney: your use of a uint pointer is very strange here
[17:55] <desrt> also: it's evil how the list of 4 directories is coded in one place and the number (4) is elsewhere
[17:55] <desrt> rather you should have 'uint outstanding;' and do outstanding++ each time you issue a new async
[17:55] <desrt> then outstanding-- when each comes in
[17:58] <attente> mterry, i filed the FFe, do we basically just wait for someone from the release team to look at it?
[17:58] <mterry> attente, yeah.  I suppose I can review your branch in the mean time
[17:58] <attente> mterry, ok, thanks for your help
[17:59] <mterry> attente, you need to handle upgrade path in case someone set gsettings and ug-keyboard is still there
[18:00] <mterry> attente, and we no longer grab layouts from LightDM.  How does indicator-keyboard grab its list of available layouts?
[18:02] <attente> mterry, indicator-keyboard goes to accountsservice for the user's input sources
[18:03] <attente> for the upgrade path, i-keyboard is also taking the user's old keyboard layout settings and moving them to the correct gsettings key
[18:04] <attente> it shouldn't be possible for the user to have both ug-keyboard and i-keyboard together at the same time, if that's what you mean?
[18:04] <mterry> attente, sorry, when I said upgrade I meant with the unity-greeter patch  (i.e. please make "ug-keyboard" -> "keyboard"
[18:04] <mterry> attente, someone might end up with ug-keyboard in their indicator list still
[18:04] <attente> mterry, oh, ok, i misunderstood you, sorry
[18:04] <attente> i'll fix it
[18:06] <mterry> attente, menubar.vala:237.5-237.33: warning: method `MenuBar.cmp_layout' never used
[18:10] <mterry> attente, and add it to Recommends
[18:10] <attente> mterry, ok
[18:12] <Laney> desrt: that is a good idea
[18:12] <Laney> I knew it was evil but somehow didn't think of that
[18:19] <desrt> Laney: also not sure why you used a pointer there at all
[18:19] <Laney> instead of a class variable?
[18:25] <desrt> Laney: no... it should ... i'm confused :)
[18:26] <desrt> Laney: why didn't you just use 'uint' instead of 'uint*'?
[18:34] <Laney> desrt: it goes out of scope, or do you mean why not use uint in the struct? because I want to only emit the signal once so I'm sharing the counter
[18:34]  * Laney is off for now, maybe back later :-)
[18:35] <Laney> have good weekends


[05:25] <lamont> build-depends: ..., gcc-4.0 [hurd-i386] , gcc-4.1 [!hppa !hurd-i386] , gcc-4.2 [hppa]
[05:25] <lamont> and gcc-4.2 hasn't been uploaded yet...
[05:25] <lamont> doko: why is that?  any clues?
[07:58] <doko> lamont: requested by jbailey, or the debian guys IIRC
 lamont: That sounds like a bug in the depends.
 lamont: I don't remember seeing a conversation about it, and gcc-4.1 should have all the pieces it needs.
 Last I remember reading from JDA and carlos was that gcc-4.2 had serious breakage on hppa and Was Best Avoided.
 But I don't know if they cleaned that up before release.
[03:38] <lamont> doko^^
[03:38] <doko> lamont: sure, I can revert that again
[03:39] <lamont> well, given that gcc-4.2 isn't even uploaded yet, (and since jbailey has built glibc 2.5 on ubuntu with 4.1....)
[03:39] <lamont> it's likely taht reverting it to just gcc-4.1 would be a good thing for now
[03:43] <doko> lamont: you know my archives for feisty+1?
[03:43] <lamont> no
[03:45] <doko> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-April/023529.html
[03:48] <doko> lamont: slightly newer packages are on ronne:~doko/gibbon
[03:48] <lamont> ok
[04:50] <lamont> doko: re: gutsy/hppa... is that going to need a feisty underlayer to successfully bootstrap?
[05:00] <fabbione> lamont: mostlikely we can use jbailey feisty archive to bootstrap gutsy to rebootstrap gutsy
[05:01] <lamont> his "feisty archive" is nothing more than a toolchain, iirc
[05:03] <doko> lamont: well, why not start with dapper?
[05:04] <doko> + jbailey's changes
[05:04] <fabbione> yeah enough to bootstrap all of feisty that is more than enough to bootstrap gutsy
[05:04] <lamont> doko: that's what we'd do


[10:48] <luc4> Hello! Is this channel also ok for bugs related to kubuntu packages?
[11:03] <PaulW2U> luc4: yes
[11:03] <luc4> Thanks
[11:06] <luc4> I'm referring to this severe bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=406180. It seems that current Ubuntu packages are shipping Qt version 5.12.4. Would it be possible to update those packages to 5.12.5 at least? That should be 100% source and binary compatible with current version.
[11:13] <PaulW2U> Qt 5.12.5 will be available in the focal release due in April
[11:15] <luc4> PaulW2U: can't it be backported to 19.10?
[11:16] <luc4> PaulW2U: current situation makes nvidia unusable for many in Plasma.
[11:17] <PaulW2U> I'm not sure what the policy is on that, sorry. May be someone else will answer.
[11:17] <luc4> Ok thanks, let's see if someone else can answer.


[12:16] <CIA-6> user-setup: cjwatson * r210 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog user-setup-apply): merge lp:~didrocks/user-setup/fix-derivatives-session
[12:39] <CIA-6> user-setup: cjwatson * r211 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.28ubuntu2
[12:47] <CIA-6> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3656 ubiquity/debian/changelog: merge lp:~didrocks/ubiquity/fix-derivatives-session
[16:45] <ev> superm1: is "Ensure that Jockey's apt-cache is up-to-date after install" something you requested?  Jockey doesn't seem to keep its own cache, save a bit of code to avoid hitting apt-cache show pkg more than once, so I'm a bit confused as to exactly what's being requested.
[22:26] <CIA-6> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3657 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/partman.py): Log calls to partman's freeze_choices and thaw_choices.
[22:28] <superm1> ev1, what was the context of that question earlier?


[01:50] <blackboxsw> hmm looks like I can't run dhclient from /run/cloud-init/tmp/something/dhclient
[01:50] <blackboxsw> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25544142/
[01:50] <smoser> tmpfs /run tmpfs rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,size=378640k,mode=755 0 0
[01:50] <smoser> noexec
[01:50] <smoser> :-(
[01:50] <smoser> its fallout of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1707222
[01:50] <blackboxsw> yeap
[01:51] <blackboxsw> sooo where to store our tmp files
[01:52] <smoser> wouldn't it be neat if there was a directory named "/tmp" or something
[01:52] <blackboxsw> temp_utils dumps them under /run/cloud-init which breaks our dhcp ec2local
[01:52] <blackboxsw> heh
[01:52] <blackboxsw> :)
[01:52] <blackboxsw> yeah I'm testing passing dir='/tmp' right now
[01:52] <blackboxsw> to temp_utils.tempdir
[01:52] <smoser> well, that'll work, but possibly have your directory deleted
[01:53] <blackboxsw> right might have a race still on the cleanup
[01:53] <blackboxsw> could drop it in /etc :)
[01:53] <blackboxsw> nasty nasty
[01:54] <smoser> i think /var/tmp might be an option.
[01:54] <blackboxsw> not a bad idea
[01:54] <smoser> not sure. have to look at systemd-tmpfiles-clean
[01:55] <blackboxsw> : SUCCESS: found local data from DataSourceEc2Local
[01:55] <blackboxsw> ok so using dir=/tmp works, I'll try a reboot w/ /var/tmp
[01:59] <blackboxsw> smoser: per unit tests in systemd "        # files in /var/tmp/ older than 30d should get cleaned up
[01:59] <blackboxsw> "
[01:59] <blackboxsw> checking the code now
[02:00] <blackboxsw> looks to be commented out in /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf in artful #q /var/tmp 1777 root root 30d
[02:03] <blackboxsw> ok dhclient runs Ec2Local work from /var/tmp
[02:09] <blackboxsw> smoser: for monday https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/330875
[02:09] <blackboxsw> gotta run
[02:09] <smoser> k. i'll ask xnox for review too
[02:09] <smoser> need to file a bug
[02:09] <smoser> i will
[02:09] <smoser> you go
[02:09] <smoser> later
[02:16] <smoser> bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1717627
[02:23] <blackboxsw> thanks smoser, so maybe my patch should really just be http://paste.ubuntu.com/25544275/
[02:23] <blackboxsw> shouldn't we change where our temp_utils default tmp dir is?
[02:23] <smoser> i dont know.
[02:23] <smoser> its obnoxious
[02:24] <blackboxsw> yeah it is.
[02:24] <smoser> i can reproduce the GCE one
[02:24] <smoser> its failure of some of my changes for GCE metadata servvice
[02:24] <blackboxsw> thanks, what'd I break?
[02:24] <smoser> the 'add a main'
[02:24] <blackboxsw> ahh
[02:46] <blackboxsw> Added https://trello.com/c/qDqAXygV/387-bug-gce-datasource-doesnt-run-bootcmd-config
[02:46] <blackboxsw> Ok outta here
[02:46] <blackboxsw> Have a good one
[02:53] <smoser> blackboxsw, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1717598 has a branch for you at your leisure
[07:49] <dknight87> hi guys, how can I usee masterless puppet and cloudinit to provision aws servers?
[22:04] <blackboxsw> dknight87.  Puppet-apply is how most folks run puppet locally. Any config keys and. Values provided under the puppet: conf: key get written into /etc/puppet/puppet.conf so you could specify where your local manifests etc live and have a cron job run that runs puppet-apply for you.  I thought this tutorial was fair
[22:04] <blackboxsw> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-a-masterless-puppet-environment-on-ubuntu-14-04
[22:05] <blackboxsw> The puppet: conf: keys I mentioned would be in your #cloud-config user-data file you provide at instance launch time. http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#puppet