[07:35] <nern> Seq: nice.... i could never get myself down to the task of actually ripping my cds
[07:35] <Seq> thechitowncubs: might also try a for loop, and mpg123 ;)
[07:35] <Seq> nern: other than my computer, I no longer have a cd player
[07:36] <nern> Seq: yeah my dvd player has turned into my cd player... i just love that surround sound
[07:36] <thechitowncubs> Seq: do you use SCSI emulation when you rip?
[07:36] <Jormundgand> danko123456: http://developer.imendio.com/images/4/49/Jam-screenshot1.png
[07:36] <thechitowncubs> because i don't and it goes super slow when im rippin my cds
[07:36] <Seq> thechitowncubs: nope. since switching to ubuntu, i've noticed that ripping speed is horrible though
[07:36] <thechitowncubs> ya
[07:36] <nern> yeah my burning speed is pretty pathetic
[07:36] <thechitowncubs> you might want to look into that
[07:37] <Jormundgand> My burning speed is zero because ide-cd is b0rken.
[07:37] <Seq> thechitowncubs: i have. i dunno why, there doesn't seem to be anything particularly wrong :/
[07:37] <thechitowncubs> hrmmm
[07:37] <cthulfuego> Now you burn much faster!
[07:37] <Seq> and when I burn cds or dvds, if i select "max" speed, i get a coaster every time. I need to select 50% of whatever the front of my drive says it can do
[07:38] <cthulfuego> Seq: Mebbe the disk just can't keep up.
[07:38] <danko123456> bob2: it was weird sources.
[07:38] <thechitowncubs> maybe you guys can answer this question, while on the topic of cds... My dad's comp recenlty aqquired ubuntu and nautilus cd burning doesn't work, but Gnome-Baker does... what the hell is wrong :/?
[07:38] <nern> i just K3b
[07:39] <danko123456> Jormundgand: nice, so? :)
[07:39] <thechitowncubs> Seq: what drive?
[07:39] <Seq> cthulfuego: well I thought that, but I doubt it. I know it technically can, since "it can in windows", and the drive has buffer underrun protection which should help at least somewhat
[07:39] <Seq> thechitowncubs: hold on, other machine
[07:40] <cthulfuego> Seq: Odd. I have no issues with mine here (and I run six in the one machine)
[07:40] <nern> man you guys are making me want to splurge and buy myself a new processor so i can have multiple machine :(
[07:40] <deviant> is there any way to control fan speed by software in linux ?
[07:41] <cthulfuego> nern: eh?
[07:41] <cthulfuego> deviant: Buy an amd64, they do it all by themselves.
[07:41] <thechitowncubs> deviant: are your fans controlled by the mobo
[07:41] <thechitowncubs> or are you talking about your CPU fan
[07:41] <Seq> cthulfuego: well actually, i lied. i have to burn dvds at 2x, the discs are only 4x (i get coasters at 4x). The drive is capable of 16x apparently...
[07:41] <nern> cthulfuego: yes... i want to get rid of this celeron in my machine anyway, and put it in a second machine
[07:41] <bob2> cthulfuego: you wouldn't happen to know of any PCI-E 1x cards, would you?
[07:41] <Seq> cthulfuego: and i've tried different kinds of discs at 4x (4x discs seem to be the best price right now)
[07:42] <cthulfuego> bob2: maybe scorptec know
[07:42] <Seq> thechitowncubs: NEC 3520A
[07:42] <nern> anybody overclocking their cpu?
[07:42] <deviant> thechitowncubs: in windows i could control them by using speedfan
[07:42] <cthulfuego> bob2: have you been out shopping?
[07:43] <bob2> cthulfuego: yeah, everything is 16x here...emailed scorptech this morning.
[07:43] <cthulfuego> bob2: hah
[07:46] <cthulfuego> bob2: I'm not sure I quite understand the mobos google tells me about. They all claim PCI-E16X and PCI-E1X
[07:46] <deviant> ermmm
[07:46] <cthulfuego> bob2: Not sure how many also confuse PCI-X on top of that
[07:46] <cthulfuego> bob2: What mobo you got?
[07:46] <bob2> cthulfuego: yeah, it seems to be a very "special" ibm one
[07:47] <bob2> cthulfuego: it had a little plastic sleeve on the pci-e slot, which looked like a dust cover or something...but turns out to be there to stop you plugging in > 1x pci-e cards
[07:47] <lcore> After changing /etc/aliases entries is it necessary to restart any services?
[07:47] <bob2> lcore: sudo newaliases
[07:47] <lcore> bob2, thanx
[07:47] <bob2> that handles whatever your MTA needs to have happen
[07:48] <revelater> hello, for some reason, whne i go into other resolutions with my screen, i have to scroll to see the whole thing, why is that?
[07:48] <bob2> because you're not chaning resolution
[07:48] <bob2> you're changing the size of your desktop
[07:48] <cthulfuego> bob2: for a linux box?
[07:48] <bob2> if it's bigger than the actual resolution of the screen, X makes you scroll around it
[07:48] <bob2> cthulfuego: yeah
[07:49] <nern> you need to edit your xorg.conf file
[07:49] <cthulfuego> bob2: so basically an nvidia card
[07:49] <revelater> ok, so how to i make it the way it shoulod be?
[07:49] <Touru> thechitowncubs: Okay, my music folder takes about 10-12 minutes to completely load in Rhythmbox.
[07:49] <Touru> 3509 songs.
[07:49] <bob2> cthulfuego: this was a radeon, but ibm has a technote saying no > 1x cards will work.
[07:49] <EircB> btw yahoo music engine in vmware in ubuntu works awesome
[07:49] <revelater> ?
[07:49] <Seq> revelater: resize using xrandr in console, or the "screen resolution" option in system->preferences
[07:50] <bob2> cthulfuego: the onboard i915 is kinda ass with X (Xvideo is broken)
[07:50] <revelater> Seq: ummm, i am not using gnome
[07:50] <cthulfuego> bob2: 's just that all pci-e radeons would require fglrx, which is poo
[07:50] <bob2> cthulfuego: ahh
[07:50] <Seq> revelater: whatcha using?
[07:50] <revelater> fluxbox
[07:50] <Crono5788> Heya, could someone tell me how to switch my display driver to vesa?
[07:50] <bob2> cthulfuego: well, I'd worry about that if it got past POST with it plugged in ;)
[07:50] <bob2> Crono5788: why do you want to do that?
[07:50] <Crono5788> This is my first Linux experience and I have no idea what the hell is going on
[07:50] <Seq> revelater: alrighty, open a console and use xrandr
[07:50] <Crono5788> X server can't start on my X700
[07:51] <nern> id just edit my xorg.conf file
[07:51] <Crono5788> And the hardware wiki said to do that
[07:51] <Crono5788> Okay
[07:51] <revelater> andrew@AndrewLX:~ $ xrandr
[07:51] <revelater> Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:51] <revelater> andrew@AndrewLX:~ $
[07:51] <Crono5788> How do you edit the xorg.xonf file, though?
[07:51] <bob2> Crono5788: a radeon?
[07:51] <Crono5788> That's where I hit the snag
[07:51] <Crono5788> Yeah
[07:51] <Crono5788> Sapphire
[07:51] <revelater> nern: what should i ecit
[07:51] <revelater> ?
[07:51] <Seq> well i guess you'll have to do like nern and edit your config to either specify your desired resolution, or enable randr extension
[07:51] <Jormundgand> Hmm. Why does Bluecurve not quite work when I install it?
[07:52] <Seq> revelater: ^^ that was for you
[07:52] <revelater> i saw that
[07:52] <revelater> thank you
[07:52] <revelater> nern: what do i need to edit?
[07:52] <Crono5788> So how do I edit xorg.conf?
[07:52] <nern> its easy just open a terminal and type sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:52] <Crono5788> Ty
[07:52] <nern> then scroll down towards the bottom
[07:53] <revelater> ?
[07:54] <jb_on_irc> Does anyone know the status of that HP version of Ubuntu?  The one they promised to make for their laptops?
[07:54] <nern> near the bottom you should find the section where your default color depth is specified and then after that what resolutions are supported by each of the color depths. just edit the resolution for your default color depth(most likely 24) to your desired resolution. save and then restart x.
[07:55] <revelater> nern: so i have to do that everytime i need to change my res?
[07:55] <bob2> jb_on_irc: you can buy it
[07:55] <bob2> jb_on_irc: but stock ubuntu should work fine anyway
[07:55] <nern> revelator: well, do you frequently change your res?
[07:55] <revelater> if i needed to for a program then yes
[07:56] <jb_on_irc> bob2: I was looking forward to the HP version, because the fact that they DO do some sepcific work to make it work better with their laptops indicates that something did not work right off the bat.  Where can you buy it from?
[07:56] <bob2> jb_on_irc: I'm pretty sure hoary works just as well as hp's version.
[07:56] <nern> well if you just add the resolution that you would like next to the other ones then you should be able to change resolutions through the gpanel applet
[07:56] <danko123456> nice thinkingL
[07:56] <danko123456> :)
[07:56] <nern> which you will prolly have to add to the panel
[07:56] <bob2> jb_on_irc: you can buy laptops with it pre-installed in some parts of europe
[07:56] <revelater> nern: ok cool, thanks
[07:57] <nern> revelator: i try
[07:57] <nern> revelator: :)
[07:57] <bob2> jb_on_irc: presumably their website lists where
[07:57] <jb_on_irc> bob2:  Well, I have my laptop already, and I am located on the other side of the world.  Something downloadable would be nice.  Does anyone know then what it is that they have added/modified in that HP build?  Besides adding Hp logos...
[07:57] <danko123456> bob2: like croatia:) I saw (my country originally) they totally sell computers with linux...
[07:58] <Touru> I don't have an _HP_ laptop, but I haven't had any trouble with Ubuntu on my laptop. (The scroll wheel doesn't work, but it's an uncommon feature anyway, and I haven't tried to fix it at all -- it'll probably be an easy fix)
[07:58] <Crono5788> I tried sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but it said it couldn't open the display
[07:58] <bob2> jb_on_irc: I'd be very very surprised if it worked better than hoary
[07:58] <bob2> danko123456: oh, awesome
[07:58] <bob2> jb_on_irc: I'm trying to find out what's different now
[07:58] <jb_on_irc> bob2:  Ok...
[07:59] <danko123456> yeah, like, totally you can buy from the biggest vendors I am not sure if ubuntu, Ill check it out now, and link you if so...
[07:59] <bob2> jb_on_irc: personally I'd just hoary it up now
[07:59] <nern> i have a mouse problem that i have never tried to fix too
[07:59] <nern> my wheel works fine
[07:59] <junior_> anyone had a problem where they boot without an ac adapter and then add it later but the cpu wont scale?
[08:00] <nern> but i have a mouse with the back and forward buttons, and those buttons do not work
[08:00] <Crono5788> I'm at a DOS-looking command prompt and I need to edit /etc/x11/xorg.conf, does anyone know how to, uh... Do that?
[08:00] <Crono5788> I feel retarded.
[08:00] <Crono5788> Just this morning I locked myself out of my computer via BIOS password
[08:00] <EircB> hahaha
[08:01] <Crono5788> Now I can't even edit files
[08:01] <Touru> I just assume the wheel doesn't work 'cause touchpads usually don't have them... maybe same deal with your mouse? (I don't think I've seen one like that before)
[08:01] <paringas> cant seem to find konquerors extension repository. could anyone point one out, plz?
[08:01] <jeremywhiting> hi all, anyone here know how to install ubuntu from a gnoppix cd? I'm new to ubuntu
[08:02] <jb_on_irc> bob2: Well, thanks for the information. I got to go, though...
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> Gaim for irc, wow
[08:02] <Crono5788> Someone please tell me how to edit a file?
[08:03] <danko123456> this one place sells computers, saying, like, with linux...but, no installation, hah...
[08:03] <EircB> Crono5788, sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:03] <Crono5788> That didn't work, though
[08:03] <EircB> what did it say?
[08:03] <Crono5788> It said Couldn't open display, IIRC
[08:03] <EircB> ok try
[08:03] <danko123456> sudo vi then
[08:03] <EircB> sudo pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:03] <thechitowncubs> nano
[08:03] <thechitowncubs> nano
[08:04] <EircB> danko123456,  he doesn't know how to edit a file there is no chance he can run vi :)
[08:04] <danko123456> right:)
[08:04] <Crono5788> x.x
[08:04] <Crono5788> Hey
[08:04] <Crono5788> I can use Notepad pretty good
[08:04] <EircB> heh
[08:04] <EircB> notepad is a text editor, vi is a program editor
[08:04] <Crono5788> Anyway, ty, brb
[08:04] <danko123456> I love the *beep* *beep* you get on older linuxex when you let a whole class of new eager programmers onto it...
[08:04] <Crono5788> Program editor?
[08:04] <EircB> yes
[08:04] <Crono5788> How does that work?
[08:04] <danko123456> ugh...older unixes///
[08:05] <EircB> vi (vim) has advanced features for editing programs
[08:05] <gaimtest> actually, gaim for irc isn't that bad
[08:05] <gaimtest> lol
[08:05] <Crono5788> Thought programs weren't editable, the .exes...
[08:05] <EircB> source files
[08:05] <danko123456> well, not only that...but, it has different commands than notepad...
[08:05] <Amaranth> danko123456: talking about terminal beeps for when you do something wrong?
[08:05] <danko123456> ya:)
[08:05] <gaimtest> btw, im still loading files, after the first attempt failed
[08:05] <danko123456> its fun
[08:05] <dooglus> is there some setting for whether I can use Ctlr-Alt-+ to switch between different resolutions?  'cos at the moment it's not working for me
[08:05] <Amaranth> i'd go nuts
[08:05] <EircB> vim is notepad on superman speed * 10
[08:06] <Crono5788> o:
[08:06] <Amaranth> btw, mark shuttleworth (you know who he is) is giving a netnote speech at guadec in 84 minutes, you guys should try to watch :)
[08:06] <Amaranth> err, keynote
[08:06] <Crono5788> Okay, so sudo pico /etc/x11/xorg.conf, brb, install in question is two floors up
[08:06] <Amaranth> not netnot
[08:06] <Amaranth> bleh, too early
[08:07] <dooglus> Crono5788: you talking to me?
[08:07] <danko123456> how would we try it?
[08:07] <Amaranth> only those of you who can find the URL to the stream can watch it, otherwise they'll get slammed and i won't be able to ;)
[08:07] <Seq> Amaranth: I don't think I can make it to guadec that fast...
[08:07] <danko123456> ctrl+alt and a number, I think
[08:07] <danko123456> dooglus: ^ but that is a long dshot...
[08:08] <slonocode> hello.....where can i put bttv options?
[08:08] <dooglus> danko123456: that's for switching to the various console screens
[08:08] <Amaranth> btw, unless i find another major bug i think smeg 0.7 is going to be released today
[08:08] <danko123456> f4 is for that.
[08:08] <danko123456> 4 is for what I am talking about, and you.
[08:08] <Seq> dooglus: are you using + and - on your keypad?
[08:09] <dooglus> Seq: I don't have a keypad.
[08:09] <dooglus> Seq: it's a laptop
[08:09] <Seq> dooglus: thats prolly why it isn't working. I think it has to be keypad. try turning the numlock on if your laptop has it
[08:09] <dooglus> Seq: when I turn 'num lock' on, 'p' does '-' and ';' does '+'
[08:09] <Seq> dooglus: or optionally with the fn key
[08:10] <Seq> dooglus: ctrl+alt+fn+p   might work
[08:10] <Seq> dooglus: well.. not here, anyway
[08:10] <dooglus> nothing
[08:10] <danko123456> apple?
[08:10] <dooglus> nope, dixons
[08:11] <Crono5788> Holy crap, I almost wet myself
[08:11] <dooglus> d6es ctr3-alt-+ do it for you?
[08:11] <Crono5788> I see Linux is case sensitive
[08:11] <dooglus> Crono5788: yes.
[08:11] <Crono5788> I went to edit /etc/x11/xorg.conf and it was totally blank o.o
[08:12] <Crono5788> Then I made the X in x11 capital case and poof
[08:12] <Crono5788> My life was saved
[08:12] <[Chameleon] > Crono5788: LOL
[08:12] <Crono5788> And now the login screen is showing up
[08:12] <Crono5788> The whole thing looks fancy
[08:12] <EircB> yes, linux is case sensitive
[08:12] <Crono5788> They should have some sort of FAQ Q/A like, 'How do I edit a file?', in the wiki...
[08:13] <EircB> "Login screen wtf is a login screen..."
 This can be disabled with the DontZoom xorg.conf(5x) file option.
[08:14] <EircB> or ctrl+alt+shift+plus-above-equal
[08:14] <Crono5788> All I have to do is kick my Linksys 802.11G card until it works in Linux and then I've got everything covered
[08:14] <danko123456> yeah, the basics.......
[08:14] <EircB> hehe
[08:14] <EircB> there is a windows to linux howto
[08:14] <dooglus> EircB: that doesn't do anything either
[08:14] <Seq> Crono5788: yeah, usually the threat of physical violence gets those bits shaking pretty good
[08:15] <Crono5788> I know
[08:15] <Crono5788> It works on my Dreamcast all the time
[08:15] <Crono5788> If it won't read a game or disc
[08:15] <Crono5788> I just go up to punch it and all the sudden it can raed
[08:15] <Crono5788> *read
[08:15] <Madpilot> there is a PC support outfit here in town called "Swift Kick Computing"...
[08:15] <danko123456> why am I totally always being frustrated by the stupid computers not working how I would like them to?
[08:15] <EircB> dooglus,  did you enable different resoultions in xorg.conf?
[08:15] <Lestat_> how coul i disable the automount and aurorun in ubuntu???
[08:16] <Crono5788> But wow, it finall freaking works
[08:16] <Crono5788> Thank you so much
[08:16] <EircB> :)
[08:16] <Lestat_> how could i separate my root acount from my user.. acount???
[08:16] <EircB> you what?
[08:16] <Crono5788> Went out, bought a SATA drive so I could wipe my primary to install Linux because dual boots with Windows never worked...
[08:16] <dooglus> EircB: it's a long story.
[08:16] <Crono5788> Then I locked my computer up
[08:16] <Crono5788> Then SATA didn't work
[08:16] <Crono5788> Then X server didn't work
[08:16] <Crono5788> But now it works
[08:17] <dooglus> EircB: I'm using the "merged framebuffer mode" of the "sis" driver for x.org
[08:17] <Crono5788> And to think it's only 2:16
[08:17] <Crono5788> And I started at 4:00
[08:17] <dooglus> http://www.winischhofer.at/linuxsispart2.shtml#mergedfbmode
[08:17] <EircB> :)
[08:17] <EircB> Crono5788, I installed ubuntu for the first time today too
[08:17] <danko123456> Lestat_: you into vampires? Apps>Sys Tools>COnf Editor
[08:17] <EircB> and vmware
[08:17] <EircB> and windows in vmware
[08:17] <EircB> rah!
[08:17] <danko123456> Lestat_: gnome?
[08:17] <Crono5788> But you know about Linux, though
[08:17] <EircB> :)
[08:17] <dooglus> EircB: he writes: "As of XFree86 4.3 (and all versions of X.org), the Modes statement in the Screen section is not relevant anymore in MergedFB mode. It can basically be left out." - so I left the 'modes' out.  maybe, however, they're needed after all?
[08:18] <Lestat_> m nop in kubuntu desktop... (KDE 3.4) danko123456
[08:18] <Crono5788> Well anyone
[08:18] <Crono5788> *anyway
[08:18] <Crono5788> I'm gonna go break my computer some more
[08:18] <Crono5788> Ty for the help
[08:18] <danko123456> Lestat_: then I dont know...I know in gnome how to do it.
[08:18] <Lestat_> but i think it isnt so different danko123456
[08:19] <EircB> dooglus, *shrug* I don't know much about xorg
[08:19] <EircB> Crono5788, enjoy
[08:19] <danko123456> It has the different config files, thos...
[08:19] <danko123456> Not sure, I never really use kde, some here do, likely...
[08:19] <danko123456> does anyone use kde, and know how to set up the automount, and autorun on cds, and removable media?
[08:20] <Lestat_> ok
[08:21] <deFrysk> danko123456, most people on #kubuntu use kde
[08:21] <Lestat_> ja ok.. im gonna to kubuntu
[08:21] <EircB> I'm not sure I'm comfortable with this world shift to gnome
[08:21] <danko123456> :) hey, why is my internet connection getting me upset?
[08:22] <danko123456> wow, now its up, and I did nothing....man...
[08:24] <danko123456> am I alive here?
[08:24] <jsgotangco> obviously
[08:24] <Lestat_> jajajajajajajaja
[08:24] <danko123456> ok, thanks, noone was saying nothing.
[08:24] <EircB> yeah
[08:24] <EircB> ja ja
[08:24] <nern> raaaaaar
[08:24] <danko123456> where are you from Lestat_, netherlands?
[08:24] <Lestat_> no i dont..
[08:24] <Lestat_> im from mexico
[08:24] <Lestat_> and actually i live in cancun
[08:25] <nern> girls with low self esteem
[08:25] <danko123456> whats with jajajaj, I see that often...
[08:25] <danko123456> is that a spanish thing?
[08:25] <Lestat_> yeah..
[08:25] <danko123456> oh, ok, bnow I know.
[08:25] <Lestat_> and where are you from danko 1 2 3 14
[08:27] <danko123456> danko wasnt available when I first came to freenode...Canada now, Croatia/Yugoslavia originally...
[08:27] <Lestat_> ok..
[08:27] <Lestat_> thats interesting..
[08:28] <dooglus> ok.  i'll give up on trying to get x.org set up how I like it, and move on...
[08:28] <dooglus> to...  how do you set up the firewall so that you can still browse windows shares?
[08:28] <Lestat_> well lstat is no avaliable.. because there a lot of anne rice fans..
[08:28] <k4rp0r> does anyone knows any good movie players fo linux?
[08:28] <desrt> totem.
[08:28] <Lestat_> kaffeine..
[08:28] <deFrysk> mplayer xine
[08:28] <Touru> danko123456: D'you happen to know if the Canadian Ubuntu mailing lists and so forth are active?
[08:29] <dooglus> vlc
[08:29] <desrt> k4rp0r; the default totem installation on ubuntu uses gstreamer = sucks
[08:29] <danko123456> lestat is a vampire name...
[08:29] <desrt> apt-get install totem-xine
[08:29] <desrt> that'll replace it with a somewhat more capable backend
[08:29] <danko123456> Touru: no, I dont happen to know.
[08:29] <Lestat_> yeah.. but all of them use th xine libs.. actually the xine motor to work..
[08:29] <Crono5788> Whenever I move the mouse , the computer makes this clicking noies...
[08:29] <Touru> Mmmkay, thanks anyway,
[08:29] <Crono5788> Anyone know what it is?
[08:29] <desrt> Crono5788; cpu power saving
[08:29] <Crono5788> *noise
[08:29] <Lestat_> jajaj yeah..
[08:29] <Crono5788> Power saving?
[08:29] <deFrysk> Crono5788, your mouse rusts ?
[08:30] <desrt> how loud is the click?
[08:30] <Crono5788> No, no
[08:30] <Crono5788> The computer makes the noise
[08:30] <Crono5788> Not the mouse
[08:30] <Crono5788> It's optical, plastic
[08:30] <Crono5788> USB
[08:30] <Lestat_> what da.,.. mouse??
[08:30] <Crono5788> Fancy-shmancy Logitech
[08:30] <danko123456> nice...I just did a dist-upgrade on a new install, and now I sit back and relax and wait...
[08:31] <Lestat_> ive never prove this..  i usemy geeric ps2 mouse..
[08:31] <Crono5788> But, in Ubuntu, whenever I move the mouse I can hear a clicking kind of sound.
[08:31] <deviant> how come when i do a modprobe -r to a module, it`s loaded next time the machine bootes ?
[08:31] <Crono5788> Which is very noticeable because right now my computer's right next to my face, with the case open
[08:32] <dooglus> deviant: because modprobe -r doesn't make any permanent changes.
[08:32] <danko123456> deviant: that truly should not happen(to the extent of my newb knowledge...)
[08:32] <dooglus> if you don't want the module loaded when you boot, comment it from /etc/modules
[08:32] <danko123456> hehe
[08:33] <danko123456> Crono5788: stop, and think, there is not much I can think of...
[08:33] <Harnak> Does anyone know of a howto or can explain to me how I can get dual monitors with an ATI Radeon card working where the second monitor is an extension of the first screen?  But I don't want apps when maximized to span both monitors.
[08:33] <deviant> dooglus: but i can`t find it in /etc/modules. for example snd_pcm_oss
[08:33] <deviant>  is not there ...
[08:34] <danko123456> Harnak: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo I typed that out.
[08:34] <Harnak> thanks Danko123456
[08:34] <Seq> deviant: make a file in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ , and add the name of the module to that file
[08:35] <danko123456> Note (optional): You might want to install the fglrx-control package, which provides a control panel to configure graphics card options such as dual-head display (two monitors).
[08:35] <danko123456> Harnak: welcome, I know its mentioned there, not much more...
[08:35] <fryzie> bisa gak
[08:36] <Crono5788> I think it's the PC speaker making that noise but I'm not sure
[08:36] <Lestat_> cio im gonna sleep because i need to wape early morning..
[08:36] <putri> hai
[08:36] <Harnak> I tried teh fglrx-control package but that only creates an XFree86-4 config file and not xorg. It does span both monitors but causes apps when fullscreen to span both monitors.. :(
[08:36] <Crono5788> So then I guess I could just unplug my PC speaker, don't use it for much...
[08:37] <danko123456> bye...hi...
[08:37] <Crono5788> Hi bye?
[08:37] <danko123456> (01:36:40) Lestat_: cio im gonna sleep because i need to wape early morning..
[08:37] <danko123456> (01:36:40) putri: hai
[08:37] <deviant> Seq: when i was using debian, a while ago, there was an ap (modconf i think), in wich i could see what modules are loaded and load/unload them by will. it seems i can`t find it on ubuntu
[08:37] <Lestat_> jajajajja
[08:37] <putri> haiiiii
[08:38] <danko123456> lsmod
[08:38] <danko123456> lists modules, I think
[08:38] <Seq> deviant: what module is it? its probably loaded automagically by hotplug
[08:38] <EircB> lists loaded modules
[08:38] <Marble2> how can I get jre working in firefox?
[08:38] <danko123456> Marble2: still?? tried those two links I gave you?
[08:39] <Marble2> yes I tried them
[08:39] <Marble2> didn't work
[08:39] <danko123456> I mean, I dunno if I should help you with gambling...
[08:39] <Marble2> it's not just that site
[08:39] <Marble2> other ones that need java too.
[08:39] <Marble2> i tried creating a symbolic link like a couple guides said, but then firefox crashed when I went to the site
[08:39] <deviant> seq: well, let`s start with OSS modules. now i`m using ALASA, and i want to get rid of the OSS ones
[08:40] <danko123456> ok, well, can you undo all you did?
[08:40] <Marble2> yea
[08:40] <Marble2> i undid it
[08:40] <danko123456> Marble2: pm me...
[08:40] <Marble2> doesn't crash
[08:40] <Seq> deviant: which oss modules? if they start with snd_ , they are alsa modules to provide oss compatability. ubuntu is alsa by default
[08:41] <EircB> is there a -current install source?
[08:42] <deviant> seq: so snd_pcm_oss are part of ALSA ? ermm
[08:43] <Crono5788> So in order to get my Windows Linksys 802.11G card in Linux I use NdisWrapper?
[08:43] <Seq> deviant: yes, to provide oss compatability
[08:43] <deviant> Seq: aha. capisci. then, what are the oss modules?
[08:43] <KarlosII> netsplit
[08:43] <KarlosII> woot
[08:44] <danko123456> where, KarlosII?
[08:44] <Madpilot> nah, a netsplit on a big channel like this involves at LEAST two pages of green text... :)
[08:44] <Seq> deviant: more blandly named, if i recall. for example, on alsa the sblive driver is snd_emu10k1 , wheras oss was just emu10k1 (i believe)
[08:45] <Crono5788> Say I use this NdisWrapper thing and get the drivers to work...
[08:45] <jdizzle> wtf i installed the new ati drivers and still no 3D acceleration
[08:45] <Crono5788> What then?
[08:45] <Crono5788> Does it automatically get wireless internet, or do I need to go through network config things?
[08:45] <cyphase> does anyone know of *any* kind of VoIP implementation that works like Jabber, in that you can talk with someone at voip1.com even though your on voip2.com?
[08:46] <Seq> jdizzle: what card?
[08:46] <deviant> Seq: aha. now i get it :) ok, one more question: when i do a lsmod i see there all kinds of modules, which i`m not sure i`ll ever use. how can i get rid of them, as they are not listed in /etc/modules ?
[08:46] <jdizzle> Seq: Radeon 9500 pro
[08:47] <KarlosII> another server I thought for a moment the channel was on this server
[08:47] <Seq> jdizzle: and you've set up the xorg.conf as per ati's instructions?
[08:47] <Seq> deviant: depends what the modules are. there are some that you definately won't want to remove (ide chipset drivers, for example)
[08:47] <jdizzle> Seq: per a tutorial on ubunu forums
[08:48] <jdizzle> Seq: ati gave instructions?
[08:48] <dooglus> deviant: be careful.  I went along that route once, disabling all kinds of stuff "I would never use".  I ended up without a working keyboard...  :)
[08:48] <deviant> dooglus: i`ll research each one of them before removing ...
[08:48] <ekCo> hey
[08:48] <Seq> but do what i said earlier -- make a file in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ and list modules you dont want loaded there. most modules are loaded by hotplug (at least in my experience, though im sure not all)
[08:49] <deviant> dooglus: but how to remove them? where are them listed, or loaded from. or someting ...
[08:49] <Seq> jdizzle: yeah, when you go to ati's website to get the drivers, they have a big readme i believe
[08:49] <Seq> jdizzle: i ditched my ati card a while back, so i cant remember the exact procedure
[08:49] <dooglus> deviant: I removed them by editing the kernel config, unticking them and rebuilding the kernel.
[08:50] <ekCo> i keep getting this error when trying to compile programs.
[08:50] <ekCo> "checking whether the C++ compiler (gcc  ) works... no
[08:50] <ekCo> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables."
[08:50] <danko123456> sudo apt-get install build-essential ?
[08:51] <dooglus> Seq, I'm running ubuntu on a laptop.  It has a pcmcia slot, into which I plug a USB2 interface card.  If I run Windows with the card in, it's fine.  If I run ubuntu with the card in, my ethernet connection goes down after a random time period.  Any idea why, or how to diagnose the problem?
[08:51] <jdizzle> Seq: nothin on the site
[08:51] <Crono5788> Does Ubuntu, by default, install sources?
[08:51] <jdizzle> anyone here successfully install new ati xorg drivers?
[08:52] <Crono5788> Kernel sources I guess is what it means...
[08:52] <Seq> dooglus: anything come up in dmesg??
[08:52] <Crono5788> Or... Something..
[08:52] <Seq> dooglus: but offhand, no.. no idea..
[08:52] <Seq> Crono5788: not by default, no
[08:52] <ekCo> yeah danko123456 thanks :)
[08:52] <dooglus> Seq: no, I don't think so.
[08:52] <deviant> dooglus: yeah, i was thinking of that. but i`m to lazy right now to do that. is like 10 AM and i haven`y sleept enough for this kind of operation. besides, i`m out of coke :(
[08:52] <Crono5788> Well crap
[08:52] <danko123456> ekCo: that worked?
[08:52] <ekCo> yeah
[08:52] <KarlosII> crud
[08:52] <ekCo> i did it last install
[08:52] <dooglus> deviant: where is it 10am?
[08:52] <Crono5788> Why can't the apps for Linux just come pre-compiled?
[08:53] <transgress> Crono5788: they doo
[08:53] <ekCo> i had it on my second hdd.. forgot to on this one
[08:53] <transgress> err do
[08:53] <deviant> dooglus: where i am now. (bucharest)
[08:53] <transgress> Crono5788: what do you think apt-get is?
[08:53] <Crono5788> I do not know what apt-get is
[08:53] <danko123456> cool:)
[08:53] <dooglus> deviant: it's 9am in praha
[08:53] <jdizzle> anyone have working ati drivers in ubuntu?
[08:53] <danko123456> glad I could help you with my newb knowledge:)
[08:53] <danko123456> lots of ppl...
[08:53] <deviant> dooglus: want to switch places ? :P
[08:54] <dooglus> deviant: what, and lose an hour?  no way!
[08:54] <Crono5788> Does anyone have experience with NdisWrapper?
[08:54] <danko123456> Crono5788: apt-get gets you precompiled binaries.
[08:54] <transgress> Crono5788: i do
[08:54] <deviant> dooglus: i`ll buy a beer :P
[08:54] <Crono5788> Do I need the sources to use it?
[08:54] <danko123456> then it is 10am in like, turkey, or smthng like that...
[08:54] <transgress> i had to get the sources to get them to work, but there are precompiled binaries available... they may work for you... i had to grab sources to get amd64 support
[08:55] <jdizzle> there any working tutorials for the new ati drivers?
[08:55] <danko123456> if its 9 in praha
[08:55] <Crono5788> Where might the pre-compiled binaries be?
[08:55] <Crono5788> Google?
[08:55] <transgress> jdizzle: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:55] <danko123456> Crono5788: what sources:)
[08:55] <transgress> Crono5788: apt-get
[08:55] <danko123456> in the ubuntu repositories, I think you refer to them as sources.
[08:55] <Crono5788> I can't get on any network, though
[08:55] <KarlosII> bah mplayer broke with the latest updates
[08:55] <transgress> Crono5788: if you are in ubuntu and don't know how to use apt-get you are in way above your head
[08:55] <jdizzle> has anyone successfully installed ati drivers?
[08:55] <transgress> ah
[08:55] <transgress> umm
[08:56] <KarlosII> ooh well
[08:56] <transgress> Crono5788: well you are gonna need to apt-get some stuff to use the sources too... so grab an ethernet cable
[08:56] <Crono5788> Right now my Ubuntu computer is upstairs, I'm on a WinXP Media Center with a CD burner
[08:56] <EircB> you poor thing
[08:56] <KarlosII> xp gah
[08:56] <danko123456> Crono5788: can you get online, no?
[08:56] <Crono5788> I can't make my cable go through my floors and down my stairs
[08:56] <ekCo> Just another small prob, i get this error with nvclock.. leafb0x@ekCo:~$ nvclock -i
[08:56] <ekCo> NVClock v0.7
[08:56] <ekCo> Segmentation fault
[08:56] <ekCo> leafb0x@ekCo:~$
[08:56] <EircB> Crono5788,  you own a drill don't you?
[08:56] <Seveas> Crono5788, then bring your comp. downstairs :)
[08:56] <EircB> no no
[08:56] <KarlosII> yes you can, I did, and it was CAT6 Ethernet :)
[08:56] <Seq> jdizzle: try /usr/share/doc/fglrx
[08:56] <EircB> destruction is much more fun
[08:57] <Crono5788> lol
[08:57] <jdizzle> do the new ati drivers even work on ubuntu
[08:57] <Crono5788> Don't think my parents would like that too much
[08:57] <deviant> jdizzle:  look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&highlight=ati+drivers
[08:57] <Crono5788> Both the destruction and the noise during sleep time
[08:57] <Seq> jdizzle: there is an index.html there, it has ati's instructions
[08:57] <KarlosII> jdizzle, yes
[08:57] <KarlosII> my friend at work got them working
[08:57] <Crono5788> So there's no way to use this computer to help?
[08:57] <ubuntu> hiya all
[08:57] <KarlosII> always a awy
[08:57] <ubuntu> noob alert
[08:57] <KarlosII> away
[08:57] <EircB> :)
[08:58] <ubuntu> need help with wireless on ubuntu
[08:58] <Crono5788> ...Would it be easier to just skip out tomorrow and buy a Linux compatible wireless G card?
[08:58] <KarlosII> mr canada speak
[08:58] <KarlosII> :)
[08:58] <KarlosII> any card is wireless :)
[08:58] <ubuntu> the system recognises it and its in the devices list
[08:58] <danko123456> so, KarlosIIyou ahve a canada speak buddy at work?
[08:58] <Crono5788> Uh...
[08:58] <KarlosII> and linux compatible, u just need to knwo how to talk to it :)
[08:58] <ekCo> nvclock always gets a segmentation fault..
[08:58] <ubuntu> it just wont turn on (IBM T-42 thinkpad)
[08:58] <deviant> dooglus: just curious? how did u fix ur keyboard without a keyboard to work on ?
[08:58] <ekCo> whats the reason?
[08:59] <KarlosII> Actually I am a Canada :)
[08:59] <dooglus> deviant: I ssh'ed into the box.
[08:59] <danko123456> ubuntu, that should work out the box, taht is a good laptop for linux...
[08:59] <danko123456> KarlosII: which city?
[08:59] <deviant> dooglus: aha. nice :P
[08:59] <ubuntu> hmm
[08:59] <KarlosII> edmonton
[08:59] <danko123456> Winnipeg:)
[08:59] <KarlosII> born there
[08:59] <KarlosII> :)
[08:59] <danko123456> nice
[08:59] <ubuntu> another noob quesiton-how do i figure out the ip addresses i have both interfaces active on DHCP (wireless and ethernet)
[09:00] <KarlosII> I left behind all my dark secrets
[09:00] <dooglus> deviant: but also, since I was messing about with recompiling the kernel, I could just as well have booted into a previous build, which had the keyboard module compiled.  It's always worth keeping a working kernel in your boot menu...
[09:00] <KarlosII> in that city
[09:00] <KarlosII> :)
[09:00] <danko123456> ifconfig
[09:00] <dooglus> ubuntu: "ifconfig" and "iwconfig"?
[09:00] <deviant> dooglus: that would be my 1st option
[09:00] <Crono5788> My GOD the D-Link site is scary
[09:01] <ubuntu> in the root terminal-i presume?
[09:01] <jdizzle> KarlosII: whered u find a tutorial to install the drivers
[09:01] <danko123456> yes, si...
[09:01] <dooglus> deviant: if you're editing blacklist files and the like, you can boot into any kernel you like, but they'll all see the same blacklist file...  so make sure your firewall is allowing ssh connections, and your ssh daemon is starting at boot time
[09:02] <ubuntu> weirdness
[09:02] <danko123456> ubuntu, any terminal, in fact.
[09:02] <ubuntu> i am running ubuntu live
[09:02] <danko123456> ah...
[09:02] <dooglus> deviant: as a last resort there's always the install cd - that probably lets you get a shell where you can fix stuff
[09:02] <ubuntu> off a cd
[09:02] <KarlosII> what's the best tool to use create books with pictures of screen grabs?
[09:02] <deviant> dooglus: i`ll recompile my kernel later, so i won`t use blacklist. but as i said, that would be later ....
[09:02] <ubuntu> now-the first time i opened up the network setting tab-i got the wireless listed there-but not active-now it shows up as 'ethernet connection'
[09:02] <KarlosII> and if I were to write ubuntu book, would I violate the gpl if I were to make money from selling a printed copy?
[09:03] <transgress> KarlosII: no
[09:03] <deviant> dooglus: but 10x for the advice :)
[09:03] <dooglus> deviant: I've not managed to find any instructions for recompiling the ubuntu linux kernel - I read somewhere there were some special ubuntu patches that you need to apply, but I don't know the details.  did you find docs?
[09:03] <danko123456> ubuntu, if wireless is listed there, and you have a GUI, is it hard to get it working?
[09:03] <KarlosII> transgress, ty
[09:03] <deviant> dooglus: what kind of patches ?
[09:04] <ubuntu> thats what i'm saying-its not listed there anymore
[09:04] <dooglus> deviant: I don't recall.
[09:04] <danko123456> ekco, the reason is that you compiled the program, instead of apt-getting it....
[09:04] <danko123456> ^^
[09:04] <danko123456> ah...
[09:04] <deviant> dooglus: come to think of it, i don`t even know how to recompile a kernel anymore :( damn windows!
[09:04] <danko123456> im too tired, night.
[09:04] <EircB> later
[09:05] <jdizzle> someone help me with installing ati drivers for hoary linux (xorg ones)
[09:05] <danko123456> EircB: I was gonna ask, whats up with Rakim?
[09:05] <Jormundgand> Unsurprisingly, AIM logs on almost twice as fast as MSN.
[09:05] <danko123456> how's he doin'
[09:05] <ubuntu> night
[09:05] <ubuntu> thanks
[09:05] <bob2> jdizzle: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:05] <lykkelamaen> I cant get my screen resolution higher than 640 x 480. In Windows I can get 1280 x 1024. Dunno what I need to do? Update nVidia drivers?
[09:05] <jdizzle> i did that entire tutorial
[09:06] <jdizzle> bob2: did that tutorial 2x, still doesnt work
[09:06] <ubuntu> ITS ALIVE!!!!
[09:06] <deviant> jdizzle: u can try http//:ubuntuforums.org . they have a nice HOW-TO there, which will help you a loat
[09:06] <danko123456> :)
[09:06] <danko123456> you thought you could get rid of me that easy...
[09:06] <ekCo> leafb0x@ekCo:~$ nvclock -n 525 -  NVClock v0.7 -- Segmentation fault
[09:06] <Davey> I'm trying to make Firefox use Thunderbird as the mailto: handler, but when I have TB open it comes up with the Select Profile dialog and then obviously when I choose my profile it says the profile is in use, how do I get around this?
[09:06] <danko123456> I have a bot to turn on to replace me while I sleep...
[09:06] <ekCo> can anyone help that problem?
[09:06] <danko123456> nvclock compiled, or apt-gotten?
[09:06] <ekCo> compiled
[09:06] <EircB> Davey,  there is a thing for that on mozdev.org
[09:07] <Davey> EircB: remember what? :)
[09:07] <EircB> sorry, no
[09:07] <EircB> I didn't even take the time to set it up
[09:07] <danko123456> http://pastebin.ca/index.php
[09:07] <danko123456> ekco^
[09:08] <bob2> Davey: remove the lock file from ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/ or ~/.thunderbird/ ir wherever
[09:08] <bob2> Davey: make sure it's not running when you do that
[09:08] <EircB> heh
[09:08] <ekCo> ok danko123456, how can i uninstall my compiled version as i found it was using 32bit lol
[09:08] <danko123456> haha, ekCo, http://pastebin.ca/12942
[09:08] <ekCo> im on 64bit..
[09:08] <Davey> bob2: but it IS running, thats the point
[09:08] <Davey> bob2: I can't hit a mailto: link when Thunderbird is running, which is retarded
[09:08] <danko123456> make -r dunno, ask bob.
[09:09] <ekCo> bob2, read up please :)
[09:09] <bob2> Davey: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[09:09] <bob2> Davey: the shell script wrapper should handle that
[09:09] <bob2> ekCo: ?
[09:09] <bob2> ekCo: I don't do binary drivers
[09:09] <deviant> hmm, i have to go cook me some food ...
[09:09] <danko123456> he would like to know hwo to remove a program he complied, bob2, please.
[09:09] <ekCo> how can i uninstall my apt install of nvclock and my compiled install of nvclock
[09:09] <Davey> bob2: I can't use the word retarded now? :)
[09:09] <ekCo> so i can start these fresh
[09:10] <danko123456> well, for apt, apt-get remove nvclock
[09:10] <danko123456> sudo
[09:10] <Crono5788> So wait
[09:10] <Dr_Melectaus> Guys
[09:10] <Crono5788> There's no 802.11G hardware for Linux at all?
[09:10] <danko123456> wassup, ryan?
[09:10] <Dr_Melectaus> im running the live cd on my laptop
[09:10] <EircB> Crono5788, what?
[09:10] <Dr_Melectaus> but how the hell do i connect to the net
[09:10] <EircB> hehe
[09:10] <danko123456> EircB: so whats up with rakim?
[09:10] <Dr_Melectaus> hey danko123456 :)
[09:10] <Crono5788> 802.11G uses the Broadcom chipset which isn't Linux compatible?
[09:10] <bob2> ekCo: you can't, in general
[09:10] <EircB> why do people ask me that
[09:10] <Dr_Melectaus> need to know how to connect to the net
[09:11] <EircB> I'm not THAT EricB whoever he is
[09:11] <bob2> ekCo: "sudo make uninstall" might work if you still have the source tree around
[09:11] <Crono5788> So you can't buy an 802.11G card that comes with Linux support?
[09:11] <danko123456> no, only some g is broadcom, you have a Mac?
[09:11] <Jormundgand> http://pastebin.ca/12938 <- This is why you shouldn't try to execute multiple bash commands by separating with line breaks.
[09:11] <ekCo> hmm ok
[09:11] <Dr_Melectaus> if any one knows could they please pm so i can print it out and try on my laptop
[09:11] <ekCo> what about the compiled?
[09:11] <Crono5788> No, I'm on a Pentium
[09:11] <EircB> Crono5788, if you are just routing internet you don't need G anyway
[09:11] <transgress> my .11g works in linux...
[09:11] <danko123456> taht is for the compiled, ekco, what bob2 said.
[09:11] <Crono5788> What do you mean?
[09:11] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2: could you pm me details on how to connect to the net please
[09:12] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: no
[09:12] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: you need to give way more details
[09:12] <Dr_Melectaus> well i will
[09:12] <ekCo> hmm ok
[09:12] <danko123456> Jormundgand: no, that was cause of his sources.list
[09:12] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: e.. what hardware you have and how you want to connect to it
[09:12] <Crono5788> Routing internet?
[09:12] <Crono5788> We already have a Linksys 802.11G router...
[09:12] <Dr_Melectaus> ive tried what i can to my abbilitys but in all honesty i dont  have a clue what im doing bob2
[09:12] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: you presumably know how you want to connect
[09:12] <Crono5788> And I used a Linksys PCI adapter when I had Windows...
[09:13] <jdizzle> anyone else have problems with Xorg ati driver
[09:13] <Dr_Melectaus> well, its a USB ADSL modem (btvotager 100 usb adsl modem)
[09:13] <danko123456> yes, many ppl.
[09:13] <danko123456> jdizzle: ^
[09:13] <jdizzle> ive done like 4 diff tutorials and it keeps reloading mesa drivers
[09:13] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: ouch
[09:13] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: that won't be fun
[09:13] <Dr_Melectaus> its detected as i seen it in the device manager, but wether its suitable to run i dont know bob2
[09:13] <Crono5788> But since it's not compatible with Linux, I'm looking for an 802.11G card that is
[09:13] <Crono5788> Which I'm not finding one...
[09:13] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2: :(
[09:14] <transgress> jdizzle: delete the nvidia.ko file... after you run fglrxconfig and then in the made config... change the name to xorg.conf and change the word Keyboard in the xorg.conf to keyboard
[09:14] <Dr_Melectaus> if all else fails, i have a cat 5 cross over. i could try and bridge the connection from my dows machine but thats going to be impractable
[09:14] <Crono5788> Oh
[09:14] <Crono5788> I know what I can do
[09:14] <danko123456> impractical
[09:14] <Crono5788> One of those wireless access points...
[09:14] <jdizzle> transgress: its an ati card tho
[09:15] <brandontyrel413> Hey guys
[09:15] <Dr_Melectaus> ffs sorry danko123456ive been up 2 days mate :(
[09:15] <danko123456> yo!
[09:15] <Crono5788> They take a wireless signal and let you use ethernet...
[09:15] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: install the eciadsl
[09:15] <transgress> jdizzle: that's why you delete the nvidia.ko file ... it conflicts with the ati card
[09:15] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: er, package
[09:15] <danko123456> no need to be sorry, I suggest we make him go to sleep.
[09:15] <transgress> jdizzle: locate nvidia.ko
[09:15] <Crono5788> Computer (and thus OS) independent..
[09:15] <brandontyrel413> can ubuntu dual boot when on two different drives??? please help?
[09:15] <transgress> it's in /lib/some/shit/after/that
[09:15] <bob2> brandontyrel413: of course...
[09:16] <danko123456> brandontyrel413: I never managed it.
[09:16] <danko123456> bob2: please go ahead.
[09:16] <Dr_Melectaus> eci adsl? whats that and how do i do it. or any links would be greatfull bob2 so i dont waste your time when it could be used to do something a tad more constructive
[09:16] <brandontyrel413> hmm...
[09:16] <Crono5788> Which I guess would work out well if the new XBox doesn't come with wireless support out of the box
[09:16] <bob2> transgress: kernel modules are in /lib/modules/$(uname -r),
[09:16] <Crono5788> God damn DoA4
[09:16] <brandontyrel413> So which is it?? yes or no?
[09:16] <bob2> brandontyrel413: yes
[09:16] <transgress> jdizzle: yeah what bob2 just said
[09:16] <brandontyrel413> Thanks Guys
[09:16] <brandontyrel413> you are always a big help
[09:16] <jdizzle> transgress: so delete the nvidia file then run fglrxconfig?
[09:16] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: it's a package.  if you have no way to get ubuntu online, download it under windows and install the package on ubuntu from the windows drive.
[09:17] <danko123456> bob2: http://pastebin.ca/12944 is my entry in menu.lst for my windows...
[09:17] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: it really would be way way easier to get a proper ethernet modem/router, though.
[09:17] <Dr_Melectaus> i have a usb stick
[09:17] <Dr_Melectaus> if its more than 60 mb im screwed
[09:17] <transgress> jdizzle: either or... doesn't really matter.  because you have to reboot after all that
[09:17] <danko123456> bob2: never worked, tho....
[09:17] <Dr_Melectaus> i can put it on that bob2 and put it on my laptop
[09:17] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: it's ~140KB
[09:17] <Sh4d_aw> FRANCE SAID NO !!!
[09:17] <Dr_Melectaus> but you got a link handy as to where i can download it b2s
[09:17] <transgress> jdizzle: the xorg driver you get from apt writes to XF86Config-4 for some reason... even though it's the xorg driver... you have to rename it to xorg.conf and open the file and change the word Keyboard to keyboard or it won't load X
[09:17] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2**
[09:17] <transgress> that IS IMPORTANT
[09:18] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[09:18] <danko123456> CruJones: you are in ma...
[09:18] <bob2> transgress: has that bug been reported?
[09:18] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: but bear in mind you will have to do this all ovr again everytime you reboot the live cd
[09:18] <transgress> bob2: iuno... i'm lazy as hell though.
[09:18] <bob2> danko123456: I'm pretty sure windows won't boot from a non-primary hard disk
[09:18] <jdizzle> transgress: so u mean run the file, then edit the cfg before reboot
[09:18] <transgress> jdizzle: yes
[09:18] <hardcampa-> it will
[09:19] <transgress> jdizzle: if you don't change Keyboard to keyboard X will not load.
[09:19] <danko123456> yeah, so you meant it is possible to dual boot with something else...
[09:19] <hardcampa-> You can remap the boot with grub
[09:19] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 its just for testing and messing just now before i actualy install
[09:19] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: so if you want to invest the effort into it, I'd install first
[09:19] <hardcampa-> think the command is called map hda,hdb something like that
[09:19] <ekCo> ah ok, danko123456, fresh install of nvclock, same problem
[09:19] <danko123456> hardcampa-: please go ahead,  http://pastebin.ca/12944 is my entry in menu.lst for my windows...never worked, tho....
[09:19] <danko123456> ekCo: not sure, then...
[09:20] <ekCo> same problem with the latest version of wine..
[09:20] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 whats the name of the package im after, sorry tried scrolling up my but windows trial for xchat exspired and i have to use mirc which is really crap, cant find it up there^^
[09:20] <danko123456> man map, No manual entry for map...
[09:20] <ekCo> it says its a gcc+ error but i dont see how when i just fixed the problem for another??
[09:20] <EircB> g++
[09:20] <hardcampa-> danko check this out: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/map.html
[09:20] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: eciadsl
[09:20] <bob2> god the xchat author is stupid
[09:20] <Dr_Melectaus> :(
[09:21] <jdizzle> transgress: so where will this file be when i make it and where should i put it
[09:21] <danko123456> nice, hardcampa- Ill check that out in the morning.
[09:21] <Dr_Melectaus> im bloody pissed he/ they have done so with the windows ver
[09:21] <transgress> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:21] <nate__> how do you open nautilus in the trash?   I never use that xchat, anyhow, except for ^^:)
[09:23] <holycow> windows users love paying to loose their freedom
[09:23] <ekCo> argh how can i fix that then danko123456
[09:23] <EircB> I have captured windows
[09:23] <Davey> holycow: I never paid to lose my freedom
[09:23] <bob2> holycow: then go for it, it doesn't mean linux authors have to be dicks about it
[09:23] <EircB> it runs comfortably in a window :)
[09:23] <Davey> holycow: I just got married ;)
[09:23] <danko123456> ekCo: I am a newb, I have no clue.
[09:23] <bob2> s/linux/FS/
[09:23] <EircB> Davey, someone paid for that
[09:23] <nate__> anyone know how to open nautilus in the trash from the cli?
[09:24] <holycow> Davey, hehe :)
[09:24] <EircB> and I bet you never leave the toilet seat up again
[09:24] <holycow> bob2, absolutely
[09:24] <bob2> ekCo: paste the last 20 lines from 'dmesg' to #flood
[09:24] <Davey> EircB: no, really, we were *very* cheap ;)
[09:24] <ekCo> erm dmesg?
[09:24] <danko123456> nautilus in the trash?
[09:24] <EircB> heh
[09:24] <bob2> ekCo: a command you run...
[09:24] <ice> hola
[09:24] <Dr_Melectaus> So bob2 once ive instaled it what should i do
[09:24] <thoreauputic> nate__: something like ` nautilus /home/user/.Trash
[09:24] <Dr_Melectaus> like what program do i run to get on the net
[09:24] <danko123456> nautilus .Trash/ maybe, nate__...
[09:24] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: you have to set it up first
[09:24] <Dr_Melectaus> sorry i must seem a total retard
[09:25] <danko123456> thoreauputic: I dnt like you:)
[09:25] <nate__> thoreauputic: that doesn't give you the Empty Trash option in the file menu though
[09:25] <nate__> thoreauputic: you still have to change places to Trash in the Places menu
[09:25] <bob2> ekCo: so, that's not what I asked for
[09:25] <danko123456> nate ctrl+a then del...
[09:25] <bob2> 17:24:07           bob2 | ekCo: paste the last 20 lines from 'dmesg' to #flood
[09:25] <Dr_Melectaus> yes but if i ask now bob2, it means i dont have to run from my bedroom to the living with my modem every 5 mins
[09:25] <nate__> danko123456: cmon man
[09:25] <nate__> danko123456: work with me :)
[09:25] <thoreauputic> nate__: *shrug* I don't use the trash anyway and I'm in fluxbox atm
[09:26] <sebdc> hi I can't find the hoary extra's no more and this adres comes back empty: deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:26] <ekCo> wtf bob2  which ones?
[09:26] <bob2> sebdc: ask on the forums
[09:26] <bob2> ekCo: what?
[09:26] <danko123456> nate__: ctrl+ a selects all, then del deletes...whats wrong with that?
[09:26] <ekCo> where can i get the 20output lines?
[09:26] <jdizzle> transgress: do i want to initialize xfree86-dga in this config thing?
[09:26] <ekCo> from dmsg?
[09:26] <Fator_Dee> hello
[09:26] <sebdc> bob2 will check
[09:26] <bob2> ekCo: run "dmesg".  it prints lines. paste them to #flood
[09:26] <transgress> jdizzle: i went mostly with defaults
[09:26] <danko123456> bob2: nice:)
[09:26] <nate__> danko123456: its not what i want? :)
[09:26] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: sudo pppoeconf
[09:27] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: I think
[09:27] <danko123456> isnt it like 6 am where you are bob?
[09:27] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: everyone who owns those modems seems to hate them, even under windows, afaict
[09:27] <danko123456> or maybe I got it wrong...
[09:27] <bob2> danko123456: 6pm
[09:27] <danko123456> ah, yeah, I got it mixed up...
[09:27] <danko123456> nate__: you want too much:-p that works...:)
[09:27] <ekCo> bob2?
[09:28] <danko123456> ekCo: did you paste it?
[09:28] <bob2> ekCo: "dmesg > /tmp/blah.txt", then put blah.txt somewhere
[09:28] <nate__> danko123456: meh
[09:28] <bob2> ekCo: on your website or pastebin.ca
[09:28] <danko123456> or tail dmesg something something
[09:28] <bob2> no, not tail
[09:29] <bob2> I need more output, it seems his kernel is utterly screwed
[09:29] <danko123456> no, hey, that is only for files.
[09:29] <nate__> thoreauputic: is fluxbox pretty nice?  I just started using xfce and i like how light and configurable it is
[09:29] <EircB> used to be
[09:30] <EircB> I don't think *box is being actively developed anymore
[09:30] <EircB> I still use fluxbox at work
[09:30] <ekCo> bob2, one sec
[09:30] <thoreauputic> nate__: flux is very nice, but you need to edit a few files to get it just the way you want it
[09:30] <transgress> EircB: what *box isn't?
[09:30] <EircB> fluxbox, openbox, blackbox
[09:30] <transgress> EircB: if you meant blackbox... they just had a release recently
[09:30] <EircB> really?
[09:30] <transgress> yes
[09:30] <jdizzle> transgress: wait, does this enable 3d acceleration with the card as well?
[09:30] <ekCo> bob2 http://pastebin.ca/12945
[09:30] <nate__> thoreauputic: not too hard to figure out though?  any good documentation?
[09:31] <jdizzle> transgress: cuz thats the problem im havin
[09:31] <transgress> jdizzle: yeah.  i play ut2004 most every night
[09:31] <thoreauputic> nate__: and the Hoary version is broken on my system, so I compiled it with --disable-xmb
[09:31] <bob2> ekCo: so, the nvidia module has crapped all over your kernel, afaict
[09:31] <ekCo> transgress, how do you get preferences in ut2k4?
[09:31] <ekCo> lol prob
[09:31] <ekCo> lol
[09:31] <EircB> I wonder who picked it up
[09:31] <thoreauputic> nate__: good docs on fluxbox.org
[09:32] <jdizzle> transgress: sweet thx
[09:32] <ekCo> how can i fix it?
[09:32] <transgress> ekCo: eh?  go to settings when you start it?
[09:32] <bob2> ekCo: uninstall it
[09:32] <EircB> they didn't have a release for years
[09:32] <bob2> ekCo: or stop using nvclock
[09:32] <Davey> btw, I never could fine the linux-k7 package :/
[09:32] <Davey> what packages do I need to upgrade my kernel to one that supports 1GB RAM?
[09:32] <bob2> Davey: they all do, afaict
[09:32] <bob2> Davey: certainly the i686 and k7 ones do
[09:33] <ekCo> lol but i want to set my proper speeds etc
[09:33] <ekCo> like core speeds..
[09:33] <Davey> right, but I need more than just the -image package, right?
[09:33] <ekCo> its default 2d, i want it back to 550mhz etc
[09:33] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, i put the file on my laptop and exstracted it, then ran the package manager hopeing there would be some way to import it
[09:33] <bob2> ekCo: then talk to nvidia and ask them to fix their driver
[09:33] <ekCo> lolk
[09:33] <Dr_Melectaus> wtf do i do
[09:33] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: extracted it?
[09:33] <jdizzle> transgress: where do i change the word Keyboard to keyboard? throughout the whole file?
[09:33] <cthulfuego> bob2: there's a 960-ish Mb limit without HIGHMEM on 4G
[09:33] <bob2> Davey: no, linux-k7 is enough
[09:33] <Dr_Melectaus> it was .deb
[09:33] <bob2> cthulfuego: 896MB, but -i686-smp at least has HIGHMEM enabled
[09:33] <transgress> jdizzle: hold one sec and let me check... it's near the beginning... umm... it's under Devices
[09:34] <Sh4d_aw> 3 centimes tout ca
[09:34] <Triffid_Hunter> cthulfuego: it was 860Mb max on mine w/o highmem
[09:34] <Dr_Melectaus> it had an option exstract here
[09:34] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: then don't extract it
[09:34] <cthulfuego> bob2: Ah ok.
[09:34] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: delete whatever you did
[09:34] <danko123456> ok, well, as cartman would say.................
[09:34] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: then: sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[09:34] <Dr_Melectaus> jack shit happend
[09:34] <Davey> bob2: but that package doesn't exist for some reason :/
[09:34] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 i copied the fil from my memory stick to laptop, the orig is still there
[09:34] <Dr_Melectaus> what do i do with it
[09:34] <bob2> Davey: yes, it does.
[09:35] <bob2> Davey: http://packages.ubuntu.com/linux-k7
[09:35] <transgress> jdizzle: i'm going to PM you if that is okay?
[09:35] <Davey> linux-image-k7 ?
[09:35] <bob2> Davey: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[09:35] <bob2> Davey: 17:34:23           bob2 | Dr_Melectaus: then: sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[09:35] <jdizzle> transgress: sounds good
[09:35] <Dr_Melectaus> fucking hell this is frustrateing
[09:35] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: it's dodgy hardware with dodgy drivers
[09:35] <bob2> it's going to be frustrating
[09:35] <Dr_Melectaus> nah i dont know wtf to do with the file i downloaded bob2
[09:35] <Sh4d_aw> yeah
[09:36] <nate__> wow, fluxbox REALLY is light
[09:36] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: dude
[09:36] <Dr_Melectaus> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Funiverse%2Fe%2Feciadsl%2Feciadsl_0.10-1_i386.deb&md5sum=a2478f2e23fe4aab7a284ff4a9f074dc&arch=i386&type=main
[09:36] <nate__> gotta doa bunch to get it all working, i think
[09:36] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: please read what I said, I told you exactly what to do with it, twice
[09:36] <Davey> bob2: that do? :)
[09:37] <bob2> ew, backports
[09:37] <nate__> thoreauputic: wow, REALLY light wm
[09:37] <Davey> bob2: pfft
[09:37] <nate__> thoreauputic: started in an instant
[09:37] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 could you pm it i cant keep up with this convo. makeing me dizzy so many people talking O_o
[09:37] <thoreauputic> nate__: indeed
[09:37] <bob2> Davey: linux-k7 is available to you then
[09:37] <bob2> Davey: it's in hoary/restricted
[09:37] <Davey> bob2: see #flood
[09:37] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: no, sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[09:37] <thoreauputic> nate__: there are some nice eye-candy options like transparent menus etc though :)
[09:37] <bob2> Davey: yes, I read it
[09:38] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: you need to stop playing with the package manager and run the command I told you to run
[09:38] <nate__> thoreauputic: wow, 12 workspaces by default
[09:38] <bob2> this will not work until you do
[09:38] <Davey> bob2: no, I showed you /exec -o apt-cache search linux-k7, it wasn't finding it earlier. oh well, there it is
[09:38] <thoreauputic> nate__: ? I had 4 by default - but adding more is trivial
[09:38] <Dr_Melectaus> ok bob ill try that
[09:38] <bob2> Davey: yeah, weird
[09:39] <nate__> thoreauputic: haha, yep, i rarely use more than one.  can't remember the last time i did, matter of fact
[09:39] <dsd> hi im having trouble figuring out how to install ubuntu, ive read that i must make a partition using partition magic...if that is the case can someone tell me how i go about doing that...if thats not the case and ubuntu automatically resizes my windows partition and installs itself then please tell me how i do that also thanks alot
[09:39] <Davey> bob2: I assume, I have to reboot? :)
[09:40] <thoreauputic> nate__: you can switch workspaces withthe mousewheel - nice feature
[09:40] <thoreauputic> nate__: and of course you can tab your windows together with the middle mouse button
[09:40] <Davey> thoreauputic: what WM are you talking about?
[09:40] <holycow> rofl
[09:40] <thoreauputic> Davey: fluxbox
[09:40] <holycow> indeedy you can switch workspaces using roller button
[09:40] <holycow> ha!
[09:40] <Davey> oh, ugh. :)
[09:41] <holycow> thx!
[09:41] <thoreauputic> Davey: not ugh at all - it's a nice wm
[09:41] <nate__> thoreauputic: yeah, this is more than i wanna configure right now :)  But i'll keep it on here for later.
[09:41] <Davey> you know, how hard would it have been for Logitech to put the fricken * lock LEDs on the GD keyboard? :/
[09:41] <bob2> Davey: once you install it, yeah
[09:41] <Davey> brb, rebooting for new kernel.
[09:41] <dsd> anyone have the solution to my problem
[09:41] <nate__> thoreauputic: how do you change the menu?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> nate__: writing themes for it isn't too hard either ;)
[09:42] <thoreauputic> nate__: copy the default menu to say, ~/.fluxbox/mymenu and edit it in an editor, then pount init at it
[09:42] <thoreauputic> ~/.fluxbox/init
[09:43] <thoreauputic> *point
[09:43] <thoreauputic> nate__: I put a "menuedit" entry in the menu so I can change it more easily
[09:44] <nate__> thoreauputic: where is the default menu?
[09:44] <thoreauputic> nate__: it's all in the docs on fluxbox.org
[09:44] <Davey|Ubuntu> there we go, thanks bob2 ! :D
[09:44] <thoreauputic> nate__: do ` locate fluxbox` or ` dpkg -L | grep fluxbox `
[09:44] <dsd> anyone here that can help me with installing ubuntu as a dual boot from windows?
[09:45] <dsd> i would greatly apperciate it
[09:45] <thoreauputic> oops
[09:45] <thoreauputic> dpkg -L fluxbox I meant
[09:45] <nate__> dsd: check in www.ubuntulinux.org
[09:45] <Davey|Ubuntu> dsd: I just ran the installer, it automatically configured GRUB (The boot manager) to allow booting to windows also
[09:45] <dsd> thanks, but do i need resize my windows partition?
[09:45] <Davey|Ubuntu> dsd: just make sure you already have the partitions/drives in place which you can format, I don't know how able it is to resize the windows partition.
[09:46] <ice_1963> so format it
[09:46] <floo> can anyone tell me how to enable services in ubuntu?
[09:46] <Davey|Ubuntu> dsd: go buy a cheap 20GB HDD ;)
[09:46] <dsd> lol
[09:46] <Arrogant> So uh, what's this that happens when I hit ctrl+alt+F2
[09:46] <Davey|Ubuntu> floo: enable them? how so? at boot?
[09:46] <Davey|Ubuntu> Arrogant: you go to a shell
[09:46] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: you can enter a command to be executed
[09:46] <Arrogant> Yes, I noticed
[09:46] <Davey|Ubuntu> press ctrl+alt+F7 to get back...
[09:46] <Fator_Dee> oh, damn, there was ctrl :-|
[09:46] <floo> it would seem so, yes
[09:47] <Davey|Ubuntu> Arrogant: its just a shell...
[09:47] <Arrogant> Yes, I know how to get back
[09:47] <Arrogant> it said something about a tty thing
[09:47] <dsd> hmm....im using partition manager and so far ive resized my 53gig windows partion to around 48 gigs and the rest is made into two partitions: 1 is named LinuxEXT2 and the other is the swap partition...do i install ubuntu now using that config or am i doing something wrong thanks
[09:48] <Arrogant> I don't know very much about Unix at all :(
[09:48] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: that's normal
[09:48] <Arrogant> Yeah I figured
[09:48] <Arrogant> So uh, what's a tty?
[09:49] <thoreauputic> teletype  ( hangover from the old days) Now it's a console
[09:49] <Arrogant> Ah
[09:49] <Arrogant> Thoreau is not theraputic btw.
[09:50] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: whatever you say :)
[09:50] <Arrogant> Reading Walden gave me an experience I can relate back to when I want to describe utter boredom
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: that's more a comment on you than Thoreau, old boy
[09:51] <Arrogant> :)
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: try reading "Civil Disobedience"
[09:51] <Arrogant> I might. No ponds?
[09:51] <thoreauputic> haha
[09:52] <Dr_Melectaus> Damit. Sorry to say but looks like im bloody sticking with windows
[09:52] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: Gandhi was inspired by it
[09:52] <Dr_Melectaus> :-C
[09:52] <Fator_Dee> Dr_Melectaus: if you feel like that
[09:52] <Arrogant> Dr. M: Why?
[09:52] <Arrogant> Oh yeah, tab completion.
[09:52] <Arrogant> Duh.
[09:52] <Arrogant> Dr_Melectaus, why?
[09:52] <Dr_Melectaus> Because i dont have the first effing clue about nix
[09:53] <Dr_Melectaus> let alone ubuntu
[09:53] <Fator_Dee> and you can't learn?
[09:53] <Fator_Dee> ok
[09:53] <Arrogant> Meh, Ubuntu is a pretty simple distro :)
[09:53] <Dr_Melectaus> cant even install a feckin package
[09:53] <Arrogant> Synaptic, check it off, Apply.;
[09:53] <Arrogant> ;)
[09:53] <Dr_Melectaus> Arrogant: exactly, a simple distro. i cant do shit with it there for i think im stuck with dows
[09:53] <Fator_Dee> did you know how to install programs when you first laid eyes on windoze, I sure as hell couldn't
[09:53] <floo> I tried to play a cd and Igot an error message telling me that the hald service isn't running and to enable it, how do I do this please?
[09:54] <johnnybezak> hey guys
[09:54] <Jormundgand> floo: /etc/init.d/hal start
[09:54] <johnnybezak> any of you ever had your laptop battery refilled?
[09:54] <floo> cheers jhormund
[09:54] <Arrogant> I wouldn't be running Ubuntu if Windows actually ran on this computer
[09:54] <Arrogant> because I already have all my Windows installers downloaded
[09:54] <Rydekull> Fator_Dee: well.. the first time one tried one kinda figured out ya just had to do a repetitive click :)
[09:54] <Arrogant> Dialup is such a hassle.
[09:55] <Dr_Melectaus> arrogant it doesnt show. its on the desktop (put it on mem stick then desktop) and its so i can run my usb adls modem
[09:55] <Dr_Melectaus> its a .deb
[09:55] <Arrogant> Ah okay
[09:55] <Fator_Dee> Rydekull: but still, it's only a matter of learning
[09:55] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 said do  sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[09:55] <Arrogant> sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[09:55] <transgress> haha i love the topic where it mentions breezy... nice going bob2
[09:55] <Arrogant> Yes
[09:55] <Rydekull> Fator_Dee: of course, but I just had to say it's very easy to learn :)
[09:55] <Dr_Melectaus> but it says there was an error proccessing
[09:55] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: first do ` cd Desktop `
[09:55] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[09:55] <Arrogant> Yeah you might want to get on the Desktop first :)
[09:55] <Davey> Dr_Melectaus: you replaced blah.deb with the .deb file you're trying to install, right?
[09:56] <Dr_Melectaus> im in the root terminal
[09:56] <Dr_Melectaus> yes davey
[09:56] <Arrogant> Okay don't go to root
[09:56] <Arrogant> That's what sudo is for
[09:56] <Dr_Melectaus> so what terminal do i run
[09:56] <Fator_Dee> a normal terminal
[09:56] <Dr_Melectaus> ok then
[09:56] <Arrogant> Applications > System Tools > Terminal
[09:56] <Dr_Melectaus> brb
[09:57] <Arrogant> At the bottom of the list :)
[09:57] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: right click the desktop and choose "terminal"
[09:57] <thoreauputic> quicker
[09:57] <Arrogant> You could also do ctrl+alt+F2.
[09:57] <Arrogant> ;)
[09:57] <wowdeb> awe man i wan't my cd to be shiped!
[09:57] <wowdeb> *who many times is that said round here :P*
[09:57] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: don't scary the poor guy ;-)
[09:57] <Fator_Dee> *scare
[09:58] <Arrogant> Hehe. He wouldn't be able to get back, and I don't think he'd know to run irc
[09:58] <Rydekull> http://a1.interclick.com/Interstitial.aspx?adId=0&ind=&wsid=88&requesturl=http%3A//www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20050504.html
[09:58] <Dr_Melectaus> ITS WORKING
[09:58] <Rydekull> :D
[09:58] <Dr_Melectaus> kick ass
[09:58] <Rydekull> argh
[09:58] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks everyone
[09:58] <Rydekull> annoying commercial things
[09:59] <Arrogant> :)
[09:59] <wowdeb> hey does the apt that comes with ubuntu come with apt-get-groupinstall
[09:59] <wowdeb> or what ever its called
[09:59] <thoreauputic> wowdeb: ...
[09:59] <Arrogant> Dr_Melectaus, you'd say Linux kicks ass a lot more often if you were a programmer
[09:59] <wowdeb> its like the group install in yum
[09:59] <Arrogant> It's phenominal how things actually compile on Linux
[10:00] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 i got the package installed, what should i do now
[10:00] <Rydekull> wowdeb: you shouldnt even think about such foul things as yum :/
[10:00] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: yeah, weird concept ;-)
[10:00] <wowdeb> Rydekull: lol yeah man
[10:00] <Davey> grrr, this shouldn't be so fricken hard :/
[10:01] <Fator_Dee> but atleast yum is yummy
[10:01] <Arrogant> Hehe.
[10:01] <Arrogant> I think it might have something to do with everything worth compiling is written to compile on Linux, but that might just be me.
[10:01] <Dr_Melectaus> Arrogant. thats me got my modem installed but how the hell do i use it to connect to the net
[10:02] <Davey> seriously, does anyone have FF and TB working where you can click mailto: links in FF whilst TB is open?
[10:02] <Dr_Melectaus> ive tried about every prog that has the word network in it but havent had any lu8ck
[10:02] <Dr_Melectaus> luck**
[10:02] <wowdeb> This package adds four new commands to apt for installing, removing and viewing groups of packages: apt-cache groupnames apt-cache showgroup <groupname> [<groupname2> ..]  apt-get groupinstall <groupname> [<groupname2> ..]  apt-get groupremove <groupname> [<groupname2> ..]  The group information is retrieved from comps.xml used by anaconda (the system installer) and other package management tools of RHL/RHEL/FC distributions.
[10:02] <wowdeb> i don't know
[10:02] <wowdeb> i'll just wait untilll i get the cds
[10:02] <thor|away> Davey: look in about:config for mailto
[10:02] <Rydekull> used by anaconda (the system installer)
[10:02] <wowdeb> spose
[10:02] <Rydekull> bleh
[10:02] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 i got the package installed, what should i do now
[10:03] <thor|away> gotta go - later guys
[10:03] <Tezkah> Davey: yeah, there should also be a place for default mail links
[10:03] <Arrogant> I wish they'd hurry up and give access to all config options in the GUI
[10:03] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: in FF?
[10:03] <Arrogant> Fator_Dee, yeah.
[10:03] <Davey> thor|away: I have that done, but it keeps opening the Profile Chooser which can't open my profile cause I have TB open...
[10:04] <Arrogant> Of course, not ALL of them
[10:04] <Arrogant> But the ones that are usable.
[10:04] <Arrogant> Some of them are still in testing phases
[10:04] <Arrogant> Also, I wish Gnome could flash the taskbar >:
[10:04] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: well, maybe it's because of that they are not in the gui :-p
[10:04] <Dr_Melectaus> How do i connect to the net with ubuntu
[10:04] <Davey> wowdeb: which?
[10:04] <Tezkah> Dr_Melectaus: how do you connect to the net with any other operating system?
[10:05] <Dr_Melectaus> uhm well with dows its a bit easier
[10:05] <Dr_Melectaus> ive never used nix before
[10:05] <wowdeb> Davey: which what?
[10:05] <Dr_Melectaus> i installed a package so i can use my usb adls modem but how i config/ use it to connect i dont habe a clue
[10:05] <Davey> wowdeb: package was the description of?
[10:05] <Dr_Melectaus> have**
[10:06] <Davey> Arrogant: uh, dude, time to create a startup file ;)
[10:06] <Dr_Melectaus> arrogant. what prog do i go to to config my net connection
[10:06] <Arrogant> Davey, I know, once I find out how to do that :)
[10:06] <Arrogant> I just installed Warty the other day
[10:06] <Arrogant> 'cause my CDs finally came.
[10:07] <Dr_Melectaus> arrogant. what prog do i go to to config my net connection mate?
[10:07] <Davey> Arrogant: warty? you upgraded to hoary right? :)
[10:07] <Arrogant> Davey, I would if I weren't on dialup
[10:07] <ice_1963> how can you apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[10:07] <ice_1963> java -version ?????
[10:07] <Davey> Arrogant: ugh
[10:07] <Arrogant> Getting the modem to work was a bitch I can tell you.
[10:07] <wowdeb> Davey: the stuff i pasted before was just and apt rpm that had special features like groupinstal
[10:08] <Dr_Melectaus> so what do you go to Arrogant
[10:08] <Davey> Dr_Melectaus: try this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#rp-pppoe
[10:08] <Davey> Dr_Melectaus: btw, thats an awesome site :)
[10:08] <Arrogant> Dr_Melectaus, I did pppconfig
[10:08] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks Davey
[10:08] <Arrogant> Which won't help you I don't thinkl
[10:08] <nate__> what irc client is everyone using?
[10:08] <Arrogant> think*
[10:08] <Arrogant> nate__, XChat
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> nate__: irssi
[10:08] <Triffid_Hunter> kvirc
[10:08] <wowdeb> Davey: but if u ment what CDs im waiting for im waiting for hoary hedgehog
[10:09] <nate__> Arrogant, thats what i'm using too, its kindof annoying that its systray plugin is so underdeveloped
[10:09] <NicP> yeah i think so to nate
[10:09] <NicP> i always close it
[10:09] <Arrogant> I don't really like any IRC clients
[10:09] <NicP> and then realise its not in the system tray anymore
[10:09] <nate__> NicP, know of a better irc client?
[10:09] <NicP> nah i like xchat the best
[10:09] <NicP> i just wish the systray thing was better
[10:10] <nate__> NicP, and closing the window doesn't send it to the systray, it kills it
[10:10] <nate__> how annoying
[10:10] <NicP> like when i closed it it minimised it
[10:10] <NicP> yeah i know
[10:10] <Enkidu> Ok i have discovered something very bizare...sound will only work on my system if i download the kernel source and compile it...but not necesarily run that kernel
[10:10] <NicP> plus you have to double click on the icon
[10:10] <Fator_Dee> irssi is great because you can just leave it in the "screen"
[10:10] <Hoxzer> NicP: are you willing to lose your virginity?
[10:10] <nate__> NicP, yeah, lame
[10:10] <nate__> Fator_Dee, how do you mean?
[10:11] <Fator_Dee> nate__: it runs in the background
[10:11] <NicP> Hoxzer, err what?
[10:11] <nate__> Fator_Dee, ummm, so does xchat
[10:11] <Hoxzer> >>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
[10:11] <[Chameleon] > It seems that AMD64 isn't getting much attention... I'm trying to install several packages on Hoary from the universe, multiverse, extras, etc. and dependencies are just not there... Anybody else running AMD64?
[10:11] <nate__> Fator_Dee, although i used irssi before as well, i want a good irc client that does well with the systray
[10:11] <[Chameleon] > It's becoming frustrating.
[10:11] <Fator_Dee> nate__: um, but if you logoff it'll close?
[10:11] <NicP> hoxzer, do u have a time machine?
[10:12] <nate__> Fator_Dee, thats behavior i like out of an IRC client
[10:12] <Fator_Dee> nate__: doh, do "man screen" I can't explain it so well :-\
[10:12] <nate__> Fator_Dee, ahhhh, right, i see what you mean, you can run it in another terminal, a vty
[10:13] <Fator_Dee> nate__: and you can access it through network
[10:13] <nate__> Fator_Dee, or is that not the right acronym, vty
[10:13] <johnnybezak> hey guys are there any issues you guys know of with netgear wireless routers and linux?
[10:13] <nate__> Fator_Dee, how so?
[10:13] <Fator_Dee> nate__: so the irssi runs at some server that is 24/7 on and you can irc from there
[10:13] <Fator_Dee> nate__: by ssh'ing to the server
[10:14] <nate__> Fator_Dee, but how does one access the irssi process that is already running?
[10:14] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 you about?
[10:14] <Fator_Dee> nate__: by running it in screen
[10:14] <nate__> Fator_Dee, hmmm, ok
[10:15] <Fator_Dee> nate__: it might be clearer if you try to use the screen program
[10:15] <nate__> Fator_Dee, i was just reading that, but i don't have much use for that
[10:16] <Arrogant> I read the manpages and I still don't understand what it does
[10:16] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: use it
[10:17] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: type, "screen", then press ctrl+a,ctrl+d, then type "screen -list"
[10:17] <Choubaka> ctrl+a,d is enough
[10:18] <Fator_Dee> oh :-\
[10:18] <Arrogant> Heh
[10:18] <Fator_Dee> well, everyday you learn something new :-)
[10:18] <nate__> so, this has done what for me?
[10:18] <Arrogant> tty3 has one from when I ran screen earlier
[10:19] <nate__> ha, i don't even use multiple workspaces
[10:19] <quailster> I want to know what do people here use for P2P (like eMule) in Linux?
[10:19] <nate__> no use for screen, i think
[10:19] <Fator_Dee> nate__: maybe not for you
[10:20] <JohnFights> anyone know how to fix the menus in firefox when using kde so they dont look ugly and they text is small
[10:20] <Arrogant> quailster, probably torrents actually
[10:21] <nate__> Fator_Dee, thats what i meant, heh :)
[10:21] <word_virus> quailster: I use nicotine (a python implementation of Soulseek) sometimes
[10:21] <word_virus> quailster: I think it's in Synaptic
[10:21] <Fator_Dee> nate__: but keep that in mind, it's really good program though
[10:21] <nate__> JohnFights, you might need to install true type fonts, that tends to change the appearance of wm's a great deal
[10:21] <quailster> word_virus: thanks, I must try it out
[10:22] <nate__> Fator_Dee, I will, thanks.  I like being able to monitor everything running on my computer from one window, however.
[10:22] <nate__> thoreauputic is my hero.
[10:22] <Arrogant> hey thoreauputic.
[10:23] <thoreauputic> nate__: why ?
[10:23] <nate__> thoreauputic you save kittens from trees and help old ladies cross the street.
[10:23] <johnnybezak> hey guys is there a way to setup a closer mirror the u.s one is slow
[10:23] <thoreauputic> hahah
[10:23] <JohnFights> is there something wrong with the package manager? anytime i go to update the packages it fails
[10:23] <quailster> word_virus: ist's not in synaptic, at least not in warthog
[10:23] <nate__> johnnybe2ak, you could create your own mirror. :)
[10:24] <safezone> hi room
[10:24] <word_virus> quailster: sorry, coulda sworn that's where I got it.  Musta built it from source...
[10:24] <safezone> i need help any experts here
[10:25] <Tezkah> EXPERTS?
[10:25] <nate__> word_virus, he might not have the correct repos
[10:25] <mackito> hello
[10:25] <BoD_SWAT> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34516  --> Can anyone please help?
[10:25] <nate__> experts, safezone, you will find no such thing here, only people with ideas, and usually insane ones
[10:25] <safezone> ok
[10:25] <Arrogant> Or a profound lack of ideas and a whole lot of nonsense.
[10:25] <nate__> so true
[10:26] <Arrogant> Usually typifies the internet :)
[10:26] <safezone> can any one tell me how to install using this linux
[10:26] <nate__> safezone, synaptic
[10:26] <thoreauputic> oops
[10:26] <thoreauputic> *room
[10:27] <nate__> safezone, are you trying to install Ubuntu, or install something ON ubuntu?
[10:27] <mackito> somebody knows hot to put an external monitor next to the monitor of the laptop? i plug in the monitor but i get the same image...
[10:27] <Arrogant> I uninstalled Ubuntu once.
[10:27] <Arrogant> It broke my bootloader.
[10:27] <Arrogant> Good stuff
[10:27] <safezone> installing some thing on it
[10:27] <Arrogant> quickly*
[10:27] <nate__> safezone, run "sudo synaptic" in a terminal
[10:28] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: that's Ubuntu's version of "lockin" ;-)
[10:28] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: maybe Ubuntu saw that there was nothing to be saved so he tried to destroy every last piece of evidence of the malicious evil that resided there
[10:28] <Arrogant> :P
[10:28] <Fator_Dee> I'd vote on that
[10:29] <Arrogant> There is a lot of Python code to be saved.
[10:29] <Arrogant> If my computer went all I'd have left is what is up at uselesspython.com
[10:29] <quailster> It seems like Python is very popular among Ubuntu users
[10:29] <Arrogant> Which happens to be two very useless script.
[10:29] <Arrogant> scripts*
[10:29] <Fator_Dee> I suggest that you introduce yourself to backups
[10:29] <mackito> nobody knows what I've to do, so? for putting one monitor next to another?
[10:29] <Arrogant> Bah.
[10:30] <Fator_Dee> or mirror your important files on the net :-)
[10:30] <nate__> US
[10:30] <quailster> mackito: You need a video card that can support it.
[10:30] <transgress> mackito: make first your desk has enough room, then lift a second monitor and sit it next to the first one
[10:30] <Arrogant> Fator_Dee, I'd mirror if I didn't have dialup, ick.
[10:30] <mackito> :)
[10:30] <nate__> Arrogant, oh dear, get broadband
[10:30] <mackito> that i've already made
[10:30] <nate__> Arrogant, join the 21st cent
[10:30] <JohnFights> can anyone help when i go to update the packages synaptic for ubuntu it just says failed when downloading
[10:30] <Arrogant> nate__, thanks for the awesome advice
[10:30] <transgress> mackito: in seriousness though, you will either need to vid cards, or a video card with two heads
[10:30] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: dialup is... old...
[10:30] <mackito> and i've connected the two monitors
[10:30] <nate__> Arrogant, I try :)
[10:30] <Arrogant> Fator_Dee, oh really? :)
[10:30] <Rydekull> nate__: ... i buy a 200 one for the same price...
[10:30] <transgress> mackito: what kind of card?
[10:31] <mackito> now i need to display a continous desktop
[10:31] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant:yes, really
[10:31] <mackito> i've a laptop with kubuntu
[10:31] <nate__> Rydekull, the size is critical, mine is very very very very small
[10:31] <mackito> but in the control center
[10:31] <BoD_SWAT> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34516    |---> Anyone? (summary: my Pioneer DVDplayer doesn't work)
[10:31] <nate__> Rydekull, its a thumb-drive replacement
[10:31] <mackito> in display i can't see the optiom
[10:31] <Rydekull> nate__: ahh, ok, that explains the high price :P
[10:32] <nate__> Rydekull, indeed, the 40 GB model was $10 cheaper, but 10 times larger
[10:32] <quailster> I have never setup dual monitors on 1 computer before, but I did share two monitor on two computer using the same mouse and keyboard
[10:32] <mvlinux> hi all
[10:32] <nate__> quailster, kvm switch?
[10:32] <quailster> no, I just used VNC
[10:33] <quailster> so that when my mouse reach the edge of the screen it switches to the other computer
[10:33] <mackito> transgress: i don't know the name of my card
[10:33] <transgress> mackito: lspci
[10:34] <mackito> it's a card that just comes with the laptop
[10:34] <mvlinux> i need help i cant play .MP3 files in ubuntu Live CD but i can here the system sound
[10:34] <Davey> quailster: look at Synaptic, it'll probably be better for you :)
[10:34] <nate__> quailster, then you'll be very interested in intel's upcoming computer partitioning technology
[10:34] <Davey> mvlinux: Ubuntu doesn't include MP3 support by default
[10:34] <Davey> sorry, not SYnaptic
[10:34] <ford41CT> hello, how can we change the first part of the hostname?
[10:34] <Davey> its called uhm, Synergy :)
[10:34] <quailster> Davey: Synaptic is a package manager though
[10:35] <Davey> ^^ yes, Synergy is what I meant :)
[10:35] <Fator_Dee> Synsynsyn, all the same :-)
[10:35] <mvlinux> Davey, aha thanx
[10:35] <Davey> it *just* does the mouse/keyboard sharing over multi machines/OSs
[10:35] <mackito> transgress: lspci?
[10:35] <Fator_Dee> it'll come out with tab-complete
[10:36] <transgress> yeah i need to get synergy set up... i actually have two mice and keyboards for my two computers sitting next to each other
[10:36] <transgress> mackito: it's a command
[10:36] <Davey> when I click a mailto: link in FF and TB is not open, it opens up TB and give me a new message with the e-mail in there, however, when TB is already running, I get the Profile Manager window, and when I choose my profile and click to open it, it says its in use (obviously) :/ (Hoary)
[10:36] <mackito> yes but, the results are very long
[10:36] <mackito> :)
[10:36] <quailster> Davey: thanks, Synergy is it.
[10:36] <transgress> Davey: yeah that's a TB thing in order to not allow multiple instances to run... so don't leave it running.
[10:36] <thoreauputic> mvlinux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:38] <Dr_Melectaus> i wish bob2 was about :(
[10:38] <mackito> transgress: i think my card it suports dual monitor because with windows it works
[10:38] <quailster> everyone: is NTFS write still not recommended in Linux?
[10:38] <Dr_Melectaus> mackito: what kinf of graphics card have you got?
[10:38] <bob2> quailster: it just doesn't work without captive ntfs
[10:38] <transgress> mackito: look for the video card name in lspci
[10:38] <Dr_Melectaus> ohhh bob2 is here
[10:38] <mackito> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[10:38] <mackito> Dr_Melectaus:
[10:38] <weedar> I have a Logitech USB Desktop Microphone but I can't seem to find information on how to use it in linux, any takers? :)
[10:39] <mackito> is this possible?
[10:39] <mvlinux> thoreauputic, thanx  i'm reading now :)
[10:39] <quailster> bob2: what do you mean by captive?
[10:39] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 got the package installed from earlier
[10:39] <Dr_Melectaus> fancy telling me how i get connection set up now :-\
[10:39] <bob2> quailster: a thing called "captive-ntfs", which loads the windows NTFS driver into the linux kernel
[10:39] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: I did tell you, hours ago
[10:39] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: no, bob2 isn't "actually" here
[10:39] <Dr_Melectaus> i done the terminal command bob2
[10:39] <quailster> bob2: thanks
[10:39] <thoreauputic> oops, yes he is...
[10:39] <thoreauputic> heh
[10:40] <Dr_Melectaus> but what option do i go to to config my connection
[10:40] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: sudo pppconfig
[10:40] <bob2> in a terminal
[10:40] <Dr_Melectaus> there isnt exactly a specific prog to do so
[10:40] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[10:40] <Dr_Melectaus> thank you
[10:40] <weedar> mvlinux: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ is a great help when installing ubuntu for the first time, you might want to check it out
[10:40] <mvlinux> r thes a dirct command to install xmms like: yum install xmms-mp3 ( in fedora) ?
[10:40] <nate__> is there an ubuntu install that installs xfce as the wm by default, instead of gnome or kde?
[10:41] <Fator_Dee> mvlinux: yes
[10:41] <kamstrup> mvlinux: sudo apt-get install xmms
[10:41] <thoreauputic> mvlinux: enable the universe repo and ` sudo apt-get install xmms`
[10:41] <weedar> mvlinux: The ubuntuguide has instructions for installing xmms among other things, like dvd-playback ;)
[10:41] <mvlinux> weedar,it's very nice and it's helping
[10:42] <thoreauputic> mvirkkil: you need to uncomment the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list or use settings in synaptic
[10:42] <weedar> The guide really helped me alot, actually the best guide to installing lots of useful software for any debian-based linux I've seen
[10:42] <thoreauputic> um - that was for mvlinux , sorry
[10:42] <nate__> anyone know?
[10:42] <|Ivancho|> Hi i need some help to configure a LAN betwen Ubuntu Hoary and Winxp :P Some help?
[10:43] <mvirkkil> thoreauputic: Wha?, oh, ok.
[10:43] <mvirkkil> thoreauputic: :)
[10:43] <Triffid_Hunter> |Ivancho|: they should all coexist quite happily...
[10:43] <thoreauputic> nate__: there was some talk of such, but if it happened or not I don't know
[10:43] <nate__> thoreauputic, thanks :)
[10:43] <weedar> Anyone set up a usb microphone in linux?
[10:43] <thoreauputic> mvirkkil: sorry :)
[10:43] <mvlinux> :)
[10:43] <mvirkkil> thoreauputic: No problem :-)
[10:44] <|Ivancho|> yeah i know but if i dont configure the ip in xp i have a low connectivity problem and if i do i dont see the host :(
[10:45] <|Ivancho|> its the first time that i configure a lan with ubuntu and i just discovery the command ifconfig ( with this u can imagine my lvl :) )
[10:45] <thoreauputic> nate__: you could achieve the same thing with a "server" install, plus xfce4 and x-window-system with gdm or whatever
[10:46] <thoreauputic> nate__: more work though, of course :)
[10:47] <nate__> thoreauputic, probably not worth it :)
[10:48] <Arrogant> I have to make some choices
[10:48] <Arrogant> I have heard some awesome things about OSX
[10:48] <thoreauputic> nate__: well, it's an option on old machines: i did something similar on Debian with fluxbox for a P200 mmx
[10:48] <Arrogant> But it is very disgustingly expensive :(
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: i have an iBook g4 running Ubuntu ( I hardly ever boot into OS-X )
[10:49] <Arrogant> Why not?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: only down side is the Broadcom wireless isn't supported in Linux
[10:50] <OConnor> allo
[10:50] <OConnor> ???
[10:50] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: I played with OS-X, but I prefer Linux
[10:50] <Arrogant> Any problems you had with OSX specifically that I should watch out for?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: anyway I can use mac-on-linux for OS-X if I want to
[10:50] <OConnor> HELP????
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: not problems really - I like to use nfs and it's a pain to set up on OS-X
[10:51] <blaroe> good morning
[10:51] <Arrogant> Ah.
[10:51] <Arrogant> My mom says "Why use Linux nobody uses Linux, why do you have to be different all the time"
[10:51] <benjamin1> anyone here having problems accessing the backport servers?
[10:52] <Arrogant> At which point I laugh because she knows nothing about computers :)
[10:52] <[Chameleon] > benjamin1: use a mirror.
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: evidently
[10:52] <blaroe> I am having difficulty getting dhcp to set my hostname on my dns server - anyone come across this?
[10:52] <HC-> tell your mom to stfu noob
[10:52] <Arrogant> HC-, I want to be able to use my computer still
[10:52] <safezone> nate still here
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: tell her to RTFM ;)
[10:52] <[Chameleon] > benjamin1: direct access to the main server is now disallowed. You must use a mirror
[10:52] <Arrogant> :D
[10:52] <blaroe> the hosts and hostname fiels are correct
[10:53] <blaroe> nothing in the wiki I could find to help
[10:53] <Tezkah> help
[10:53] <safezone> hay i need help
[10:53] <Tezkah> I have a problem
[10:53] <Tezkah> everything is working properly
[10:53] <Tezkah> ... this isn't right
[10:53] <Tezkah> k3b just ejected my CD =\
[10:53] <[Chameleon] > hehehe
[10:53] <IIIEars> wow users ate all the bandwidth on back port servers?
[10:53] <[Chameleon] > IIIEars: yeah
[10:54] <safezone> any one here
[10:54] <egg> me?
[10:54] <Madpilot> hi all... can anyone tell me why I'm not getting sound in some games in Ubuntu? FlightGear & SAR, specifically...
[10:54] <Madpilot> my sound works just fine elsewhere, too
[10:54] <safezone> hellow , hellow  any body thetre
[10:54] <egg> umm,me too ^_^
[10:55] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: probably that those games are hard-coded to use the old DSP interface instead of the new ALSA.
[10:55] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: maybe
[10:55] <[Chameleon] > :)
[10:55] <egg> I am here.
[10:55] <Davey> egg: joy!
[10:55] <benjamin1> anyone know where i can get the backport mirrors?
[10:55] <OConnor> im french and i need help please
[10:55] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: try using `killall esd` before running the game
[10:56] <IIIEars> Madpilot - (this newbie had luck by killing ESD)
[10:56] <OConnor> ?????????????,
[10:56] <egg> ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[10:56] <Madpilot> will try "killall ESD", just a second...
[10:56] <mof> OConnor: simply ask
[10:56] <thoreauputic> OConnor: vous pouvez parler Francais au canal #ubuntu-fr
[10:56] <OConnor> ok
[10:56] <thoreauputic> OConnor: /join #ubuntu-fr
[10:56] <jdizzle> anyone get error activating XKB configuration on login before
[10:57] <jdizzle> _XKB_RULES_NAMES_BACKUP(STRING) = "xfree86", "pc101", "us", "", ""  i have this error
[10:57] <jdizzle> or not error but w/e
[10:57] <Madpilot> cool, killall ESD seems to work.
[10:57] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: esd (lower case)
[10:57] <OConnor> merci thoreauputic
[10:57] <thoreauputic> OConnor: de rien :)
[10:57] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: right, lowercase. it did work, anyway!
[10:58] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: cool :)
[10:58] <Arrogant> So if I wanted to build a robot, Ubuntu would be the right thing to put into its left shoe, right?
[10:58] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: right, because ESD maintains a chokehold on the DSP device
[10:58] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: there was a fix... um.. hold.
[10:59] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: is there any way of automating killall esd -- run prog -- esd on prog end?
[10:59] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: depends on what you want that shoe to be capable of doing
[10:59] <IIIEars> lol - embarrassed - poor thoreauputic already very busy took 2 lines to correct my info. - ugh (going back to a quiet corner)
[10:59] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: /etc/esound/esd.conf
[10:59] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: better is to follow the "fix sound" entry on http://ubuntuguide.org
[10:59] <Arrogant> Fator_Dee, compiling of course
[11:00] <Arrogant> What kind of shoe would it be if it couldn't compile?
[11:00] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: spawn_options=-terminate -nobeeps -as 2
[11:00] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: a shoe that can't compile
[11:00] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: isn't that... obvious
[11:00] <Arrogant> Fator_Dee, touche.
[11:00] <Arrogant> e'*
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I have done `chmod -x /usr/bin/esd` here (esd is a pain) but... don't do this at home, kids...
[11:00] <Arrogant> Hmm, Ubuntu doesn't have the alt character inserts.
[11:01] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: is this the 'fix sound' entry you mean: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[11:01] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: ,
[11:01] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: yes, that's it.
[11:01] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: it has
[11:01] <Arrogant> oh.
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: looking
[11:02] <pschulz01> ubuntu
[11:02] <Madpilot> [Chameleon] , thoreauputic: this will replace esd with something else, I think?
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: dmix, from memory
[11:02] <Arrogant> touch
[11:02] <Arrogant> Man that's not very handy.
[11:02] <thoreauputic> How do you guys do those accents?
[11:03] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: just press an accent and then a letter
[11:03] <Fator_Dee> , ,
[11:03] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: erm.. on a US style keyboard?
[11:03] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: erm, change to finnish style :-|
[11:03] <Arrogant> hehe.
[11:04] <Fator_Dee> your using the wrong one
[11:04] <Fator_Dee> :-p
[11:04] <Arrogant> That's one thing that I like about the Mac keyboard
[11:04] <Madpilot> Fator_Dee: those come out as little black diamonds in my IRC display - what were they supposed to be?
[11:04] <IIIEars> hehe
[11:04] <Fator_Dee> Madpilot: e accent, I suppose we have different character encoding
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: switch your client to utf-8 I think
[11:05] <IIIEars> Is there a quick fix to restore open apps to the task bar?
[11:05] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: I use 8859-1 :-|
[11:05] <Madpilot> Fator_Dee: Obviously... I'm using Opera 8's IRC client, not sure which encoding it defaults to...
[11:05] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: that's the prob
[11:06] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: Try following that guide though step 6 only and see if that helps you.
[11:06] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: hmm - I can see the accents here on utf-8
[11:06] <IIIEars> The open icons for apps are missing.
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: oh
[11:06] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: doing so will not replace esd
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> Madpilot: then the prob is on your side :-)
[11:06] <Madpilot> [Chameleon] : will try that in a minute
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> Madpilot: use a proper client :-)
[11:06] <Madpilot> Fator_Dee: yeah, except that Opera claims to already be using UTF-8 for this IRC server...
[11:07] <Madpilot> Fator_Dee: will have to bug report this to Opera...
[11:09] <johnnybezak> hey guys whats the wiki page for prelinking.?
[11:10] <jaysin> is there anyway i can view webcams using GAIM messenger?
[11:11] <Madpilot> [Chameleon] : tried the esd.conf editing, no sound in FlightGear again...
[11:11] <Madpilot> [Chameleon] : so, is replacing esd to get some stuff working going to break anything that works right now?
[11:12] <ice_1963> it seems like the add on cd has been discontinued why ????????
[11:14] <CarlK_> johnnybe2ak - prelinking?
[11:14] <Amaranth> ice_1963: it wasn't exactly legal
[11:14] <lesshaste> how do you flush your local dns cache?
[11:14] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: I don't know. I haven't replaced esd.
[11:14] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: the config file changes are all I've done so far.
[11:14] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: what was the prob?
[11:14] <Amaranth> jaysin: no, a seperate project was working on that, dunno that status
[11:14] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: in fact, trying to install the referenced library failed for me.. it was not found.
[11:15] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: Besides the fact that shipping Java and w32codecs is blatant copyright infringement?
[11:15] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: I ask because I don't know :-|
[11:15] <Madpilot> [Chameleon] : oh well, will experiment...  according to Synaptic I've already got ALSA installed, though...
[11:15] <Davey> anyone else have issues with the FIrefox mplayer plugin?
[11:16] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: You didn't know that distributing windows dlls files was illegal? :)
[11:16] <jaysin> Amaranth, thanks :) if i can't view can i install yahoo messenger?
[11:16] <Amaranth> Davey: besides the fact that it sucks?
[11:16] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: I didn't know w32codecs include windows dlls
[11:16] <Amaranth> jaysin: Does yahoo make messenger for linux? you'd have to install it manually
[11:16] <Fator_Dee> but now I do
[11:17] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: thus the w32 :)
[11:17] <Fator_Dee> obviously
[11:17] <jaysin> Amaranth, i saw a link for a lunux version on the website... shouldnt that work?
[11:18] <Amaranth> jaysin: it might
[11:18] <ice_1963> well i have the add on lol :o)-
[11:18] <Madpilot> [Chameleon] : have to reboot to see if it works... back in a moment...
[11:18] <Burgundavia> jaysin, does gaim not work for you?
[11:18] <Amaranth> jaysin: but their linux version might not have webcam support either
[11:18] <jaysin> damn... lol
[11:18] <Amaranth> ice_1963: using w32codecs is illegal
[11:18] <dooglus> how can I find which package contains the gnome version of the vlc media player?
[11:18] <Amaranth> dooglus: there is no gnome version, it's just wxvlc
[11:19] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: actually the hoary vlc appears to be gtk2
[11:19] <dooglus> Amaranth: ok.  why are there packages called 'vlc-gnome' and 'gvlc', both devoid of binaries?
[11:19] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: no, it's wxwidgets, wxwidgets uses gtk2
[11:19] <Amaranth> dooglus: read their descriptions
[11:19] <jaysin> Amaranth, how would i try a manual install of yahoo?
[11:19] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: at least it looks like it - ah I see, my bad
[11:20] <dooglus> aah, i see.
[11:20] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: that's why wxwidgets is supposed to be good. on linux it uses gtk2, on windows it uses win32, on OS X it uses carbon
[11:20] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: right I see
[11:20] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, on debian and ubuntu, wxwidgets currently uses gtk1.2
[11:20] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: in breezy and debian, sure
[11:21] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, and hoary
[11:21] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: hoary shipped with wx2.5, which uses gtk2
[11:21] <dooglus> i read on here a few days back that quite a few people reckon vlc is the best.  i find it keeps crashing, the interface is clunky, it doesn't maximize properly, and lots of other problems.  I'm wondering if I might be running a different version?
[11:21] <Amaranth> dooglus: i'm one of the ones that said it was the best :)
[11:21] <Davey> Amaranth: you use FF+TB?
[11:21] <Amaranth> dooglus: the real best is totem, vlc is the best when totem won't play a file
[11:21] <thoreauputic> dooglus: people's mileage seems to vary a lot with media players, I've noticed
[11:21] <Amaranth> Davey: firefox, yeah
[11:22] <Davey> Amaranth: the script in Hoary to pass e-mail address to TB when its running is b0rke, trying to find a fix :/
[11:22] <Amaranth> ?
[11:22] <dooglus> Amaranth: mplayer seems to be pretty good, although it doesn't play well with window managers in my experience
[11:22] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I find xine-ui more reliable than totem here
[11:22] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: *shudder*
[11:22] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: well, it works for me *g*
[11:23] <thoreauputic> so does xfmedia
[11:23] <slonocode> does anyone have a working wintv card setup for card= and tuner= ?
[11:25] <Davey> HURRAH! I got it!
[11:26] <Madpilot> OK, I'm back; FlightGear now has sound! SAR doesn't but I'll work on it tomorrow...
[11:27] <|Ivancho|> Hi someone has configured vmware lan connection?
[11:28] <dooglus> ggggI tried xfmedia.  it keeps stealing the keyboard focus when it's full-screened, so that's no good to me
[11:32] <MichaelDiederich> g'day
[11:32] <dooglus> g'day
[11:32] <johnnybezak> how can I see if my old ati has 3d support in the free drivers
[11:32] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, SAR?
[11:32] <MichaelDiederich> i just installed sun-j2sdk1.5 but there is no java compailer?
[11:32] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: http://wolfpack.twu.net/SearchAndRescue/
[11:33] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: congrats!
[11:33] <[Chameleon] > Search and Rescue is fun.
[11:33] <Fator_Dee> what's it like?
[11:33] <Madpilot> [Chameleon] : yes, but right now SAR has no sound, and it isn't talking to my USB joystick! it does look cool, though!
[11:33] <MichaelDiederich> .oO(bbl..)
[11:34] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, it should just work
[11:35] <[Chameleon] > Burgundavia: Hoary just works.
[11:35] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: that's the theory, anyway! SAR is a flight sim, if you didn't follow that URL...
[11:35] <[Chameleon] > Burgundavia: Breezy has a ways to go before it's mature.
[11:35] <Fator_Dee> Burgundavia: breezy *will* work, not just right now
[11:35] <[Chameleon] > yes
[11:35] <Burgundavia> [Chameleon] , I do some devlelopment for Ubnuntu, so I am well aware
[11:35] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: I notice /lastlog seems not to work with the hoary version of Xchat - is this known? Or am I missing a config option or something?
[11:35] <[Chameleon] > Burgundavia: yet you still say it "should just work"?
[11:36] <Burgundavia> [Chameleon] , refering to Madpilot's SAR issue with the joystick
[11:36] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, no idea, file a bug
[11:36] <[Chameleon] > Burgundavia: gotcha.
[11:37] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: heh - i just tried it and it works now (no idea what the probleem was before - so no bug ;)
[11:37] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, works on my version
[11:37] <Madpilot> I'll have to play with jsconfig. the stick was working in earlier...
[11:37] <Burgundavia> just that right-clicking on a link causes the whole program to got down
[11:37] <thoreauputic> yes, it works now - for some odd reason it refused to work las t time I tried it
[11:37] <Burgundavia> very annoying
[11:39] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: that's one advantage to using Opera for IRC as well as browsing - the restore features cover IRC as well as webpages so if Opera crashes everything comes back automagically...
[11:40] <Burgundavia> well I rejoin all my channels with xchat as well
[11:40] <Burgundavia> but I lose all the scrollback
[11:41] <Fator_Dee> Madpilot: irssi doesn't crash :-p
[11:41] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: Ah, same deal w/ Opera. at least we don't have to manually re-connect...
[11:41] <Madpilot> Fator_Dee: what, ever? :)
[11:41] <Fator_Dee> Madpilot: not to me, no
[11:43] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: irssi is a very mature program ...
[11:43] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: it never has temper tantrums *g*
[11:43] <dsd> anyone here who can help me with partitioning for ubuntu im having some major problems, and ive been trying to figure it out for about 3-4 hours now any help would be greatly apperciated
[11:43] <goo> Hello. How do I get KDE 4 for my Ubuntu Hoary?
[11:44] <bob2> goo: #kubuntu
[11:44] <thoreauputic> goo: wait patiently for a release of Ubuntu that includes it ?
[11:44] <bob2> also, kde4 doesn't exist
[11:45] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: good to hear! Opera rarely has tantrums, it just sometimes eats a piece of HTML that disagrees with it... :p
[11:45] <bob2> dsd: it's way better to just ask your question...
[11:45] <Riddell> "Kubuntu releases version with KDE 4 before it even exists"
[11:45] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I used to use Opera a few years ago - nice browser but FF with extensions does evrything I used to use on Opera so ...
[11:46] <goo> bob2: ok. Thanks - I guess-
[11:46] <bob2> goo: what more do you want? kde4 doesn't exist, anywhere.
[11:46] <Riddell> goo: 3.4.1 is coming out later today/tomorrow, see the kde announcement for how to get it (also kubuntu.org/faq.php)
[11:46] <thoreauputic> Riddell: well, we expect magic from you guys ;-)
[11:47] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: it's funny that irssi is not at version 1.0 yet :-)
[11:47] <dsd> first off, partition magic hangs on a black screen while restarting when i try to resize my windows partition. So in order to solve that problem i tried installing boot magic...but i cant unless i have a partition to begin with, anyways it tried using qtparted using system rescue cd based on a linux, when i tried resizing my windows partition there, it gave me an error about cluster or something
[11:47] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: having fun filling another 500 bug reports? :p
[11:47] <goo> bob2: I meant "Latest development release of KDE" - sorry for being unspecific.
[11:47] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, nah, just convincing people on the forums to do my work for me
[11:47] <dooglus> dsd: I recommend a program called "boot-it ng" if you want to resize a windows partition.  worked a treat for me.  it's "shareware" though
[11:48] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: heheh - I love the conservatism: I have a gtk2 version of Sylpheed that has a version number like 0.9.99-99 :)
[11:48] <Riddell> goo: you have to compile it yourself, I might make SVN packages in future
[11:48] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: stubborn devs :-)
[11:48] <Fator_Dee> "It's not ready yet!"
[11:48] <goo> Riddell: ok, thanks. I'll try kdesvn-build, then.
[11:49] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: "Just *one* more thing to get right, then we go 1.0... honest!" ;)
[11:49] <thoreauputic> heheh
[11:50] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I have a script for a little timer I wrote with Xdialog - I gave it version 0.0.001 :D
[11:50] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: is that even alpha release :-)
[11:50] <dsd> dooglus, thanks ill try it out and see if it works *Crosses fingers*
[11:51] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: heh - actually it works quite well - maybe I should revise the version number
[11:51] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: "it works, so it's actually 0.0.002"
[11:51] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/Timer_Script.html
[11:51] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: right :)
[11:52] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: actually it is now 0.0.1  (wow!)
[11:54] <Madpilot> gah... is 0255 here, must get some sleep before work @ 0900. later, all...
[12:03] <turf> hi guys! can any one redirect me to a howto-install flash player in a ppc architecture.
[12:03] <bob2> you can't
[12:03] <bob2> yay for proprietary formats
[12:03] <Fator_Dee> yay
[12:03] <bob2> you can use the Free plugin, but it's kinda crap
[12:03] <schasi> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:03] <thoreauputic> hey the poke worked!
[12:03] <schasi> Yep its _crap_
[12:05] <turf> k,thanks!
[12:05] <Fator_Dee> where does bmp save the playlist?
[12:05] <Fator_Dee> I can't see a save playlist option anywhere
[12:06] <bob2> ~/.bmp/ or something, if it's like xmms
[12:06] <bob2> why do people use bmp?
[12:06] <Fator_Dee> yep, seems like it
[12:06] <Choubaka> It's GTK2?
[12:06] <thoreauputic> bob2: it looks nicer
[12:06] <Choubaka> It also doesn't work, but who cares. :D
[12:06] <deFrysk> lol
[12:07] <Fator_Dee> works for me :-p
[12:07] <thoreauputic> bob2: includes a thumbnail display of skins etc
[12:07] <Choubaka> For me it always crashes or abruptly stops playing songs
[12:07] <thoreauputic> Choubaka: it hates you, I guess
[12:07] <Fator_Dee> Choubaka: that happened to me with xmms :-)
[12:07] <thoreauputic> Choubaka: works fine for me ;)
[12:07] <Choubaka> Me neither.
[12:08] <Choubaka> Love the headline: "Pointy knives can kill: official"
[12:08] <dooglus> is 'wine' any good yet?  I've tried it a few times and it has never worked particularly well
[12:09] <thoreauputic> Choubaka: "Your freedom to carry arms is respected: your decision not to use them is appreciated "
[12:09] <thoreauputic> *g*
[12:09] <dooglus> I saw a packet of nuts in the UK with a warning on them saying "warning: may contain nuts or traces of nuts".
[12:09] <Choubaka> \o/
[12:10] <Choubaka> "May contain traces of nuts" is the #adom motto. :D
[12:10] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: :-D
[12:10] <dooglus> Choubaka: adom like the nethack-type game?
[12:10] <Choubaka> Yes.
[12:10] <dooglus> haven't played that for 10 years I'd guess
[12:10] <Choubaka> Is ADOM even that old? :|
[12:11] <dooglus> maybe not - I'm not sure.
[12:11] <sbrik> ciao a tutti
[12:11] <Choubaka> nethack is I guess.
[12:11] <Choubaka> sbrik: English.
[12:11] <Fator_Dee> nethack is old
[12:11] <dooglus> nethack was recently 25, wasn't it?
[12:11] <Fator_Dee> adom might be like, 5 or something
[12:11] <Choubaka> it's older I think
[12:11] <Fator_Dee> not ten years though
[12:12] <Choubaka> ADOM also owns nethack. This is my entirely biased opinion
[12:12] <difficult> Hi, I'm trying to setup ip-up,d scripts however they don't seem to run when my connection starts. if I do pon connection_name then should the script be /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/connection_name with permissions 755 ?
[12:13] <Choubaka> Oh, ADOM was started on 1994
[12:14] <Fator_Dee> oh
[12:15] <KusursuZ> Free Video --> www.aysu.gen.ms
[12:15] <Fator_Dee> time goes fast :-\
[12:15] <Choubaka> First public version was 0.7.0 though.
[12:15] -KusursuZ:#ubuntu- Free Video --> www.aysu.gen.ms
[12:15] <Choubaka> Yay, spammers.
[12:15] <rg58sma> hi
[12:15] <rg58sma> someone
[12:16] <rg58sma> knows
[12:16] <Choubaka> speak longer lines please. .)
[12:16] <schasi> how
[12:16] <schasi> to
[12:16] <schasi> speak
[12:16] <schasi> longer lines?
[12:16] <Choubaka> :P
[12:16] <rg58sma> how to install the desktop and the things of art.gnome.org
[12:16] <dooglus> I think I played it in 1996.
[12:16] <Choubaka> You should try it again :P
[12:16] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: your enter key is not a substitute for punctuation
[12:16] <Choubaka> 1.0.0 is the best version IMHO
[12:17] <dooglus> I never really got on with it - nethack's my game
[12:17] <p88> hi are there vmware users here?
[12:18] <schasi> perhaps
[12:18] <Choubaka> Nethack is boring with no wilderness.
[12:18] <pschulz01> bochs
[12:18] <Choubaka> :D
[12:18] <rg58sma> ok
[12:18] <p88> I'd like to know whether I can set an option to vmware so that my disks are read only in the sense that everything that is written to the disk during a session is discarded at reboot?
[12:18] <Choubaka> pschulz01: bochs is really slow.
[12:18] <pschulz01> yeh..
[12:19] <Choubaka> p88: You should consult vmware documentation :/
[12:19] <pschulz01> p88: search for 'cow' (copy on write)
[12:19] <p88> I have been consulting the docs quite a lot
[12:19] <p88> qemu does "cow"
[12:19] <david_> hey.. how can i mount an NTFS partition on this SATA drive?
[12:19] <thoreauputic> pschulz01: ah, in the grand tradition of "cat"
[12:19] <pschulz01> p88: so does user-mode-linux
[12:20] -KusursuZ:#ubuntu- Free Video --> www.aysu.gen.ms
[12:20] -KusursuZ:#ubuntu- Free Video --> www.aysu.gen.ms
[12:20] -KusursuZ:#ubuntu- Free Video --> www.aysu.gen.ms
[12:20] -KusursuZ:#ubuntu- Free Video --> www.aysu.gen.ms
[12:20] <Fator_Dee> david_: www.ubuntuguide.org search there for "ntfs"
[12:20] <thoreauputic> david_: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/foo /mnt/point ?
[12:20] <Fator_Dee> :-|
[12:20] <Fator_Dee> flood & exit
[12:20] <p88> killall -9 spammers
[12:20] <thoreauputic> hmm... doesn't work unfortunately
[12:21] <p88> -9
[12:21] <p88> SIGKILL :D
[12:21] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: you don't got root to irc
[12:21] <p88> KILL them all
[12:21] <thoreauputic> killall -KILL
[12:21] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: rats :(
[12:21] <p88> yes
[12:21] <nagesh> I made entry in /etc/fstab to mount  windows drive when linux starts up
[12:22] <IIIEars> Is there a quick fix to restore open apps to the task bar?
[12:22] <david_> how can i see the partitions on the disk?
[12:22] <IIIEars> The open icons for apps are missing.
[12:22] <thoreauputic> david_: sudo fdisk -l
[12:22] <nagesh> i am able to see the contents of the windows drive but when I click on it the content disappears
[12:22] <nagesh> can any one help me
[12:23] <david_> ahh
[12:23] <david_> /dev/sda5            7754       15485    62107258+   b  W95 FAT32
[12:23] <david_> thats what i need to mount
[12:23] <david_> or auto mount
[12:23] <david_> every boot
[12:23] <thoreauputic> david_: then use -t vfat
[12:24] <nagesh> david_, Can you help me
[12:24] <IIIEars> i am curious about auto mounting. if ntfs were mounted writable and the driver wasn't able to write to it.would it disappear when you clicked on content?
[12:24] <nagesh> IIIEars, yes
[12:25] <IIIEars> that was just a question from a newb - never mind
[12:25] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: you have to stop this right -click habit *grin*
[12:26] <david_> root@ubuntu:/home/david # sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda5 /mnt/fat
[12:26] <david_> mount: mount point /mnt/fat does not exist
[12:26] <thoreauputic> david_: sudo mkdir /mnt/fat
[12:26] <Fator_Dee> mmmm. coffeee...
[12:26] <david_> right
[12:26] <david_> i think its mounted
[12:27] <thoreauputic> david_: it nedds to *be* there - unless you believe in magic ;-)
[12:27] <thoreauputic> *needs
[12:27] <IIIEars> << Doritos and pepsi fuel for the computer addicted.
[12:27] <david_> yup its worked
[12:27] <Fator_Dee> IIIEars: heretic :-\
[12:27] <javinux> Someone knows how to install kguitar on ubuntu with gnome desktop?
[12:28] <pepsi> IIIEars, hi
[12:28] <IIIEars> I dunno cool ranch flavor is pretty good.
[12:29] <IIIEars> lol - gotta drink coke. pepsi just teases the poor guy.
[12:29] <nate__> n00bs
[12:29] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, it is very bad
[12:30] <nate__> coke is bad
[12:30] <nate__> pepsi is good
[12:30] <nate__> pepsi > coke
[12:30] <IIIEars> pepsi - Will the word "Pepsi" send you a beep also?
[12:30] <nate__> ha
[12:30] <pepsi> :(
[12:30] <pepsi> you guys are mean
[12:30] <podge> thoreauputic, Does Ubuntu detect a Windows partition during the install and setup your fstab appropriately?
[12:30] <david_> hmm i need an MP3 plug in to play MP3?
[12:30] <david_> whats it called in Synaptic?
[12:30] <nate__> i seriously like pepsi more than coke
[12:31] <thoreauputic> podge: it didn't for me :(
[12:31] <nate__> i'm drinking one right now
[12:31] <podge> I thought you would be drinking V or Red Bull.. or is that only for Web programmers?
[12:31] <IIIEars> okay - I'll be more careful with spelling.
[12:31] <nate__> just ran outta a 24-pack
[12:31] <thoreauputic> podge: it detects it and adds it to grub, but not fstab
[12:31] <podge> thoreauputic, Would be a handy feature.. Slackware 10.1 did in no problems.. mounted on /windows without me doing anything..
[12:32] <thoreauputic> podge: I agree - don't know why Ubuntu doesn't do it, frankly
[12:32] <podge> thoreauputic, yeah I noticed the grub config changes..
[12:32] <nate__> its weird, if I run konversation, suddenly in xfce my background dissapears and I can't bring up the right-click start-menu
[12:32] <IIIEars> Faxes nate_ a "flat" Pepsi-
[12:32] <david_> whats the MP3 plug in package name?
[12:32] <nate__> but if i don't, everything works great
[12:32] <nate__> IIIEars, ewww
[12:33] <podge> thoreauputic, I guess the installer needs to be changed.. time to get on to the Ubuntu dev lists..
[12:33] <thoreauputic> david_: for which player?
[12:33] <mz2> is breezy worth trying yet?
[12:33] <david_> rythmbox
[12:33] <nate__> IIIEars, never speak such things in my presence
[12:33] <nate__> ;P
[12:33] <Fator_Dee> mz2: not for the faint of heart
[12:33] <thoreauputic> mz2: no - see /topic
[12:33] <javinux> Someone knows how to install kguitar on ubuntu with gnome desktop?
[12:33] <pepsi> hey hey... shhhhhhhh
[12:33] <mz2> thoreauputic, ha, ok
[12:33] <thoreauputic> david_:  gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:33] <nate__> The Italian Job is on tv right now
[12:33] <jacquesmerde> what package do i have to install to get ogg123, oggdec, etc..?
[12:33] <david_> ok thanks
[12:33] <nate__> channel 615
[12:34] <nate__> you know you're all turnin to it
[12:34] <david_> hmm cant see it
[12:34] <david_> do i need universe?
[12:34] <pepsi> whats channel 615?
[12:34] <nate__> no, just pick up the tv control
[12:35] <nate__> 615 = Showtime Extreme
[12:35] <podge> javinux : I am just having a look at what kguitar is..
[12:36] <david_> do i need universe for gstreamer08mad?
[12:36] <Fator_Dee> david_: if it doesn't show up, yes
[12:36] <Fator_Dee> david_: and make sure you search with the proper name
[12:36] <david_> how can i add universe?
[12:37] <thoreauputic> david_: and it's gstreamer0.8-mad ( take care with the - ) :)
[12:37] <Fator_Dee> david_: from the repository dialog in synaptic
[12:37] <NicP> have a look at ubuntuguide
[12:37] <IIIEars> sorry nate_ can't working on a high score for "Super Turbo Turkey Puncher 3" got 100k - lol
[12:37] <IIIEars> Doom3 is amazing.
[12:37] <podge> javinux, What did you try so far?
[12:38] <thoreauputic> david_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:38] <javinux> i tried to install with alien, to get a .deb from the rpm file
[12:38] <IIIEars> <saves link>
[12:39] <podge> javinux, I really need to load Ubuntu on my laptop.. That way I could try it right now.. :(
[12:39] <mvlinux> hi all
[12:39] <podge> javinux, Did you get error messages?
[12:39] <javinux> I also try to compile kguitar, but I get an error when I try to use "make"
[12:39] <david_> ok sweet.. ive got MP3
[12:39] <david_> one last Q... how can u get Enlightenment 17?
[12:39] <mvlinux> somen here gived me anice page in ubuntu web site but i lost it any one hav a link ?
[12:40] <holycow> lol
[12:40] <javinux> installin with the .deb from alien, I get this message: Kguitar Kpart not found. Check your instalation
[12:40] <podge> javinux, You need to have QT and KDE libs installed on your system, at least..
[12:40] <holycow> nope
[12:40] <javinux> yes, of course
[12:40] <holycow> mvlinux, reading minds is not our strong point
[12:40] <holycow> :)
[12:40] <thoreauputic> david_: you'll have to google that one: it isn't in the repos
[12:40] <podge> javinux, So I can assume you have these loaded? :)
[12:40] <Fator_Dee> mvlinux: ubuntuguide.org perhaps?
[12:41] <javinux> when i try to compile, I don't have any error when I do the configure script
[12:41] <mvlinux> Fator_Dee, aha may i will try thes :)
[12:42] <podge> javinux, What compile errors do you get?
[12:42] <mvlinux> Fator_Dee, yes thes is the page i'm looking for thanx a loot :)
[12:43] <javinux> I says me that there was a problem with the make file, because some variable or something like that
[12:44] <podge> javinux, I will boot up my desktop computer and give it a look..
[12:44] <javinux> ok thanks
[12:45] <podge> thoreauputic, So when do you sleep? :)
[12:45] <thoreauputic> podge: sleep is overrated ;)
[12:46] <Shufla> hello
[12:46] <IIIEars> Can anyone recommend an inexpensive wireless laptop? good site for them? (linux of course)
[12:46] <thoreauputic> podge: actually I'm a bot
[12:47] <IIIEars> Guru bot 2.0
[12:47] <javinux> IIIEars, I have a Toshiba satellite A50 laptop, fully compatible with linux
[12:47] <IIIEars> Good start Thank You. :)
[12:47] <podge> thoreauputic, best Eliza program I've ever seen!
[12:48] <thoreauputic> podge: hahah
[12:48] <IIIEars> lol
[12:48] <mof> IIIEars: TARGA
[12:48] <thoreauputic> podge: Is it because of your life that you say " So when do you sleep? :) "  ?
[12:48] <nagesh> how can I view windows partitions in linux
[12:48] <nagesh> can anyone help me
[12:48] <GNAM> with a program that I don't remember
[12:49] <raghu> nagesh: beside you there is one windows machine switch on...hahah
[12:49] <GNAM> ah n
[12:49] <GNAM> auudaausuas
[12:49] <GNAM> i've undestand inverse
[12:49] <GNAM> windows partition in linux?
[12:49] <nate__> i wish there was an easier way to get the path of a file in rox
[12:49] <GNAM> edit fstab
[12:49] <nate__> so annoying
[12:49] <GNAM> look at ubuntuguide.org
[12:49] <mof> nagesh: mount them
[12:50] <rg58sma> hi someone knows Ip program to networks??
[12:50] <rg58sma> my english sucks
[12:50] <nate__> i see
[12:50] <rg58sma> but is mine
[12:50] <NicP> ip program to networks makes no sense
[12:51] <NicP> please rephrase the question
[12:51] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm konqueror keeps crashing for some reason
[12:51] <rg58sma> program to get ip from networks
[12:51] <nagesh> raghu, Thank u
[12:52] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: ifconfig perhaps?
[12:52] <nagesh> mof, I did entry in /etc/fstab
[12:52] <mof> thoreauputic: he means from other machines maybe
[12:52] <rg58sma> for all ip of the nets
[12:52] <thoreauputic> mof: hard to tell...
[12:52] <dooglus> how easy is it to change ubuntu so that runlevel 2 doesn't run gdm, but runlevel 3 does?
[12:52] <nate__> rg58sma, sudo ifconfig
[12:52] <NicP> ethereal maybe?
[12:53] <mof> nagesh: did you create a mountpoint for it
[12:53] <nagesh> mof, I am able to see the content of a windows drive but when I click on it it disappears
[12:53] <NicP> i dont really understand which ip you want
[12:53] <mof> eg /mnt/windows
[12:53] <nagesh> yes
[12:53] <nagesh> mof, yes
[12:53] <rg58sma> no
[12:53] <rg58sma> no my ip
[12:53] <mof> and you mount it to this
[12:53] <rg58sma> the all ip of the nets
[12:53] <rg58sma> net
[12:53] <nate__> rg58sma, sudo ifconfig
[12:54] <rg58sma> jajjaaa
[12:54] <rg58sma> are you crazy or madness
[12:54] <nate__> lol!
[12:54] <nagesh> mof, the content of the window partition appears like a file
[12:54] <ford41CT> I shrank my panel, and i don't know how to get it back to its previous state where it spanned the left side to the right. There's nowhere to click in the panel with which i can go to "properties". help
[12:54] <NicP> i dont understand what you mean by "the net"
[12:54] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: we are trying to understand your fractured english, sorry
[12:54] <rg58sma> my networks
[12:54] <mof> nagesh: show the fstab line
[12:54] <rg58sma> jajaja
[12:54] <rg58sma> ok
[12:54] <nate__> rg58sma, sudo nslookup <domain-name>
[12:55] <IIIEars> Ugh - "Windows Tax" - :/
[12:55] <podge> javinux, So give me a quick hint.. What are the apt-get lines for QT and KDE libs?
[12:55] <rg58sma> a program to search all ip
[12:55] <nate__> rg58sma, nessus
[12:55] <rg58sma> of my networks
[12:55] <nagesh> mof, /dev/hda5       /mnt/windows          vfat    auto        0       0
[12:55] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: host, nslookup, dig
[12:55] <aburlet> why setting my timezone to GMT+2 SUBSTRACTS 2 hours from UTC ???
[12:55] <yahalom> how do i remove entries from my gnome menu?
[12:55] <mof> nagesh: append after auto 'defaults'
[12:56] <javinux> podge, wait a minute please
[12:56] <mof> separeted by komma
[12:56] <nate__> rg58sma, nessus is a wicked program though man, not sure if its technically legal to use outside of a lab environment
[12:56] <thoreauputic> nagesh: try putting " auto, umask=0000 "
[12:56] <Musagetes> Has anyone experienced ubuntu not wanting to mount USB devices automatically? I've tried plugging my mp3 player in, and it shows with 'usbview', but the drive doesn't appear anywhere.
[12:56] <nagesh> mof, ok i will try
[12:57] <jacquesmerde> ggrrrrrrr...all the panel apps that dont seem to play well with panel transparency are copyright by redhat.....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!
[12:57] <mof> default or like thoreauputic umask=0000
[12:57] <Fator_Dee> nate__: you could use it to examine your own servers
[12:57] <nate__> Musagetes, did your mp3 player require special software to access it under windows?
[12:57] <nate__> Fator_Dee, yeah, true :)
[12:58] <nate__> Fator_Dee, but there are legal issues surrounding security programs like nessus, i just wanted to make him aware of it
[12:58] <Musagetes> nate__: It required a driver in Windows, but I had the impression that wasn't necessary in linux. :(
[12:58] <thoreauputic> nagesh: make sure there are no spaces, just commas
[12:58] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey Fator_Dee
[12:58] <nate__> Musagetes, Could you access it like it was a hard drive in windows?
[12:58] <Musagetes> Yes
[12:58] <rg58sma> no
[12:58] <Fator_Dee> hey Pop_pa_FrEaK
[12:59] <javinux> podge, libqt3-mt-dev, libqt3-headers, kdebase, I think that's all
[12:59] <nate__> Musagetes, hmm, interesting, i have no idea then, sorry
[12:59] <joh_> Why isnt there a desktop-calendar for May?
[12:59] <nagesh> thoreauputic, ok
[12:59] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> trying to figure out why konqueror keeps crashing when ever I try to delete something
[12:59] <rg58sma> i need other
[12:59] <thoreauputic> joh_: good question :)
[12:59] <nate__> Musagetes, are other usb devices recognized?  Can you try a thumb drive or something?
[12:59] <mof> Musagetes: edit the fstab like /dev/hde1 /mnt/stick vfat defaults
[01:00] <Musagetes> I got an old digital cam I can try plugging in. :)
[01:00] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: you could try to start konqueror from a terminal and look at what the output says when it crashes
[01:00] <joh_> thoreauputic: I really love the april one, but my desktop could need some change :)
[01:00] <nate__> rg58sma, nmap
[01:01] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: or there could be something in ~/.xsession-errors
[01:01] <joh_> is it rude to fill in a bug report for missing May calendar?
[01:01] <nate__> I need to call my lawyer to find out more about legal issues and security programs
[01:01] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: or other logs, /var/log/
[01:01] <podge> javinux, Thanks!
[01:01] <Musagetes> mof: So I just copy what you wrote and paste it into my fstab?
[01:01] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yea I get a bunch of errors
[01:01] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> brb
[01:02] <sam_> hi
[01:02] <thoreauputic> joh_: heh - do it anyway ;)
[01:02] <sam_> hi
[01:02] <Fator_Dee> it's still May though
[01:02] <Fator_Dee> it might come in time
[01:02] <sam_> my first time here
[01:02] <podge> javinux, 35 meg.. ouch!!
[01:02] <rg58sma> here i found you
[01:02] <nagesh> thoreauputic, the type vfat is correct
[01:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Fator_Dee, want me to paste in #flood
[01:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ?
[01:02] <thoreauputic> sam_: welcome to our world ;)
[01:02] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: I prefer pastebin
[01:02] <nagesh> thoreauputic, the type vfat is correct
[01:02] <sam_> thanks
[01:03] <javinux> podge, yes, it's hard xD
[01:03] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> www.pastebin.org ?
[01:03] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: eee.pastebin.com
[01:03] <thoreauputic> nagesh: yes, if your win partition uses fat32
[01:03] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: *www
[01:03] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ahh
[01:03] <nagesh> thoreauputic, yes it is a fat32
[01:03] <sam_> ne1 from the uk?
[01:03] <rg58sma> no ports, only IP
[01:03] <rg58sma> of
[01:03] <rg58sma> ok
[01:03] <rg58sma> fucks
[01:03] <nagesh> thoreauputic, I want to make a user as a admin
[01:04] <nagesh> thoreauputic, how can I
[01:04] <thoreauputic> nagesh: you mean you want a user to have sudo powers?
[01:04] <mof> Musagetes: watch sudo /tail -f /var/log/messages if you connect your player und look up for devices like hde or sda
[01:04] <podge> javinux, Almost there.. the install CD is coming in handy!
[01:04] <nagesh> thoreauputic, yes
[01:05] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> http://pastebin.com/292096  here ya go Fator_Dee
[01:05] <thoreauputic> nagesh: man sudo, and use visudo to edit /etc/sudoers - or when you make the new user add him/her to the adm group
[01:05] <rg58sma> fucks
[01:06] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: umm... language please
[01:06] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: ahhummm...
[01:06] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> bbiab give me 10 minutes
[01:06] <mof> Musagetes: fstabline : first create a mountpoint eg /mnt/player then /dev/hde1 or sda1 /mnt/player vfat auto,defaults 0 0
[01:06] <rg58sma> ok
[01:06] <rg58sma> i sorry
[01:06] <nagesh> thoreauputic, add users and groups
[01:06] <Musagetes> mof: There's one here: "May 30 13:04:16 localhost kernel: SCSI device sda: 499712 512-byte hdwr sectors (256 MB)"
[01:06] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> what Fator_Dee ?
[01:06] <nagesh> thoreauputic, /dev/hda5       /mnt/windows          vfat    auto,umask=0000        0       0