[20:10] <ajmitch> morning
[22:14] <Atamira> morning
[22:51] <ojwb> morning
[23:40] <kcj> Afternoon.
[23:41] <ojwb> that too


 created a new topic in discourse for UbuConLa, please a moderator could look at it and approve it or give me his comments?
 Does anyone have the link for the iso download page?
 I got it from the front page
 Nevermind
 Sunny Singh: … Help me … Removed qtermwidget5-data … Now WiFi not working … The system boots directly into lubuntu … Shows 3dots in bottom … On boot shows … Loading <IP_ADDRESS> generic … Initialising ramdisk … And boots directly … Can't use WiFi tried or ethernet … Tried everything can't use live USB too … Since I can't open grub m
[15:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T90: Bionic locker should be light-locker] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90#1457
[16:55] <wxl> @tsimonq2: confused by this whole change you made to CI wiki. are you saying that if the repos are on version 1 of some package, but upstream releases version 2, that the stable ci will have version 2 in despite the fact that phabricator is still on 1 (and the archive on 1 or less)?
 No stable CI is a separate branch in phab
 It will have whatever you package
 In the stable CI branch
 Independent of upstream or the archive
[16:58] <wxl> so stable CI *is* latest upstream release?
 If that is what we merge/push then yes
[16:59] <wxl> but he edited out the part where i said stable is related to the phab repos so i'm confused
 I haven't read his edits. Hang on.
[17:00]  * wxl cries
[17:02] <kc2bez> Looking at the diff and the way I understand it you are both right.
[17:03] <kc2bez> Stable gets what is defined in the packaging on the stable branch in phabricator.
[17:03] <wxl[m]> Confusing change then
[17:04] <wxl[m]> Seems like a wordy way of describing things
[17:08] <kc2bez> Admittedly I have been trying to wrap my head around it all too. I am glad you started the conversation and documentation.
 is usb creator kde tested in Eoan?
 @RikMills [is usb creator kde tested in Eoan?], Yes.
 @kc2bez [Yes.], https://phab.lubuntu.me/T51
[18:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] fix usb-creator-kde: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T51
 wxl: About your answer here: … https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/19-04-megathread/24/74 … When you take the issue of small screensize to upstream, do point me to the bug you file or the thread you create. Window resizing is a big issue for small screens.
[19:29] <lynorian> is the usb-creator sru no where near done
[20:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd4f7ade6b24e: Add keyobard shortcut to quit] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd4f7ade6b24e
[20:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd240ceaf3abc: Add undocking docks] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd240ceaf3abc
[20:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL896cec1147cb: Add redock a dock in qpdfview] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL896cec1147cb
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://i.imgur.com/edECmDj.jpg
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://i.imgur.com/QLIEJj6.jpg
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://i.imgur.com/dyOPjrB.jpg
 Anyone want a bitesize bug to fix?
[22:24] <wxl> @tsimonq2: create a task
[22:24] <wxl> @tsimonq2: also see above. @kc2bez and i are still confused about your edits on the CI
[22:25] <wxl> @tsimonq2: and nevermind. don't create a task. it's already fixed https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS25c5f3c7e4795ba15fff89a9168cd78ace810b48
[22:30] <wxl> @lynorian_: (and perhaps RikMills since he brought the subject up) the usb-creator(-kde) SRU has been sponsored for xenial, bionic and disco. at least that's what the bug comment says. it doesn't seem to follow the normal procedure, though. it hasn't been uploaded from what i can tell and the usual verification-needed tag isn't there
[22:37] <wxl> it seems we're stuck in unapproved still
[22:37] <wxl> a motu/sponsor reviewed it but they're not a member of ubuntu-sru so that's kind of a problem
[22:46] <wxl> @HMollerCl i remember you struggled long and hard about the SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN thing in LibreOffice. upstream's making some changes to it, so if you could provide any recommendations on how we might work with those changes, that would be appreciated. https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-session/pull/278#issuecomment-513455231
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl i remember you struggled long and hard about the SAL_USE_VCLPLU …], will look at it. Last time I used it lo upstream said it was not ready, had lots of bugs
[22:49] <wxl> @HMollerCl that seems to be what agaida is suggesting there, but i'm no expert
[22:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T22: Bring those swaps back] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T22#1458
[22:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T90: Bionic locker should be light-locker] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90#1459
[23:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2a0ba0ac7e16: Add keybaord shortcut for next previous shortcut results] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2a0ba0ac7e16
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: and nevermind. don't create a task. it's already fixed https:// …], Seriously, what version were they running to get that error?
[23:29] <wxl> @kc2bez: probably cosmic. remember, it just died.
[23:30] <wxl> speaking of support, who wants to fix our release cycle chart? https://lubuntu.me/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/18.10.png
[23:32] <wxl> @kc2bez: let me clarify. it just died on cdimage.
 I get it. Why are people still trying to install it?
[23:33] <wxl> cuz they can find it
[23:33] <wxl> also lubuntu.net
 Gahh!
[23:34] <wxl> omg the (insert expletive here) has an 32-bit link for 18.10 and a 64-bit link for 19.04
[23:34] <wxl> this is the sort of stuff we dealt with far too often that ultimately led us to make lubuntu.me
[23:36] <wxl> the downloads page only lists 19.04 and 16.04 https://lubuntu.net/downloads/
 Ugh.
[23:37] <wxl> if you click the link to become a developer for lubuntu you're led instead to mellix https://github.com/fossasia/meilix
[23:39] <wxl> cute but it's not lubuntu https://meilix-generator.herokuapp.com/
 ack, .
 (CI)
[23:43] <wxl> well that clarifies everything
 @wxl [<wxl> @lynorian_: (and perhaps RikMills since he brought the subject up) the usb …], https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates?action=show&redirect=StableReleaseUpdate#Publishing
 @wxl [<wxl> well that clarifies everything], I hope you're serious.
[23:44] <wxl> @tsimonq2: no, "ack" as a response to "we're confused" doesn't clarify anything.
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: no, "ack" as a response to "we're confused" doesn't clarify any …], See the wiki
[23:45] <wxl> @tsimonq2: also that's not relevant because the verification-needed hasn't been added yet. that said, vorlon told me it's normal and they'll get to it i guess.
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/ci/
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: also that's not relevant because the verification-needed hasn't …], It's absolutely relevant, verification-needed is added when the upload is accepted and processed to go into -proposed.
[23:46] <wxl> @tsimonq2: the specific section you linked to is related to those SRUs which have verification-done. we're not even there yet.
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: the specific section you linked to is related to those SRUs whi …], They're the SRU people those days anyway
 Monday it should be processed
[23:48] <wxl> @tsimonq2: well you're providing information that's not in that document. what i said still holds: this situation is not documented.
[23:50] <wxl> @tsimonq2: CI: totally clarified, though i'd modify the example with a real package example. include direct links to the repo and the various branches. then it will make total sense. that's probably the biggest part i didn't get.
[23:51] <wxl> @tsimonq2: why remove the times? and the idea of running a vm with git master on it?
[23:52] <wxl> i guess you have the times.. they're just a little less directly stated
[23:52] <wxl> and they're hidden away
 wxl: As long as you get the concept now, you're more than welcome to add documentation. That's all I can do right now given my limited time; I'll be back soon but I wanted to get something started.
[23:52] <wxl> you've been reading ubuntu wiki pages too much X'D
[23:53] <wxl> ppas are missing too
[23:53] <wxl> thanks for the start
 My pleasure. Good to unwind for 30 minutes before going back into $work
 Like I said before though, when I come back I'll totally be able to do CI ISOs like the back of my hand
 Because that's what this is
[23:55] <wxl> and yikes that example phew
 It's a mouthful
 Does it make sense though?
[23:56] <wxl> the first part yes
[23:56] <wxl> the last part is a mind bender
[23:56] <wxl> it probably needs to be reworded heavily until it's clear
[23:57] <wxl> writing for beginners would help, i think
 Imagine the first three paragraphs is one thing, you upload that, and paragraph four is a subsequent upload.
 This is basically KCI with some tweaks, so @RikMills could help clarify this.
 It works the exact same way in terms of merger jobs and stable vs unstable
 @kc2bez ^ are you on the same page as wxl in terms of understanding the new documentation?


[04:16] <pleia2> jose: newsletter is shaping up ok this week, I leave the rest of the link collection, summeries + publishing this week  in your capable hands :)
[04:16] <jose> pleia2: awesome, good to know it's good to go. hope you get better soon! :)
[04:17] <jose> let me know if there's anything else you want a hand with
[04:17] <pleia2> thanks :) will do


[13:02] <dholbach> jose, so LoCo Council themed Ubuntu on Air tomorrow?
[13:54] <jose> dholbach: yep! 15utc right?
[13:54] <dholbach> cool
[13:54] <dholbach> thanks a bunch!
[13:54] <dholbach> yes
[14:36] <prasad13> When Snappy is made default in Ubuntu, what percentage of Debian packages can be expected to be ported into snappy format and ready to for the end user?
[14:58] <jose> dholbach: can we make it 15 to 15:30 utc max? I need to run at 15:30 to check some ubuconla stuff
[14:58] <dholbach> sure
[14:58] <dholbach> we'll just do more questions in the second half
[15:15] <jose> \o/


[02:33] <micahg> chrisccoulson: around?
[14:15] <fta2> "Ping timeout: 265 seconds", the infamous UDS effect :)
[14:17] <fta2> jcastro, hi, trying to watch the live stream, video is acceptable, sound is very far, very difficult to hear the speaker, but applauds are ok :P
[14:17] <fta2> (not even sure you can read this) ;)
[15:59] <fta> dpm, hi
[16:01] <dpm> hey fta, I'm just answering your e-mail ;)
[16:01] <fta> dpm, ok
[16:04] <fta> dpm, i just noticed a few &#xxx; codes in the untranslated strings (none in the translated ones), it's no big deal. it's a problem upstream (i'll try to fix it). imho, you can make the announcement
[16:05] <dpm> fta, ok. I think I might wait with the announcement until after UDS, a I'm not sure how available or how much time I might have
[16:14] <fta> dpm, ok, too bad.
[22:07] <BUGabundo> evening
[23:19]  * BUGabundo picks up the shotgun and kills firefox for good
[23:26] <BUGabundo> [reed]: what's up with this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/519905/
[23:27] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 3.6.12~hg20101023r34698+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[23:28] <[reed]> BUGabundo: mozilla bug 583582 maybe?
[23:28] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 583582 in Spelling checker "hunspell double buffer w/gcc-4.5*" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583582
[23:29] <BUGabundo> I've filed 2 or 3 already
[23:29] <BUGabundo> when FF crashs,it asks to send
[23:29] <BUGabundo> so I send them
[23:29] <BUGabundo> [reed]: I'm going mad here
[23:29] <BUGabundo> not being able to use my browser grrrr
[23:30] <BUGabundo> [reed]: btw you know why greasemonkey wasn't been updated to FF4? or Oxymoron Nightly Tools ?
[23:30] <[reed]> Nightly Tester Tools is getting revamped
[23:30] <[reed]> dunno about greasemonkey
[23:31] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:31] <Mook_sb> greasemonkey is being updated - at least, they have a branch for firefox 4 work
[23:32] <BUGabundo> those too, plus greader and nosquint are the missing parts to let me move onto ff4
[23:32] <BUGabundo> and I'm usually the guy that runs trunk :\
[23:33] <Mook_sb> firefox 4 has been very extension-breakage-happy, yes :)
[23:34] <BUGabundo> and without nightly tools.....
[23:34] <BUGabundo> I've forced a few to run
[23:34] <BUGabundo> but even still, some will refuse


[01:35] <Harlin> why  is it called xubuntu but not zubuntu?
[02:55] <guiverc> Harlin, it's Xfce on the Ubuntu base; thus Xubuntu
[19:00] <vitejose> Howdy all. Trying to change the window manager keyboard shortcuts for tiling and can't seem to get Super+Left to work. I imagine something else is already claiming that combo but not I'm sure where to start looking. Any advice?
[19:04] <gnrp> vitejose: So you want to set that setting, and it does not complain?
[19:06] <vitejose> Yep. Default is Super+Left (keypad); I changed it to Super+Left with no complaints
[19:10] <vitejose> Found this almost identical report on the XFCE issue tracker: https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/-/issues/571
[23:08] <xubuntu> qatracker test message


[06:28] <valorie> Salt, when you have a chance, please change chan topic to: Oneiric Release party: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-washington/1260/detail/ | Please join Launchpad team so you can VOTE on leadership: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-washington | This channel is logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[06:28] <valorie> thanks


[10:55] <ompaul> IdleOne, in that right click on an *.iso image  then choose "write to disk"
[10:55] <Fleischlego> soundray: A reset of the kernel to it original state via apt did not work
[10:55] <IdleOne> ompaul:  I did
[10:56] <twb> Who invokes me?!
[10:56] <_jason> Artan1s: one second, read some threads on the forums about your problem
[10:56] <soundray> Fleischlego, by then, your system was messed up...
[10:56] <_jason> reading*
[10:56] <Artan1s> _jason: ok, do you have a link to the forums?
[10:56] <ompaul> IdleOne, so your machine does not see the burner, is that what your trying to tell me?
[10:56] <ompaul> IdleOne, at a guess :-0-
[10:56] <Artan1s> _jason: if not im sure i can find it
[10:56] <twb> Anybody know what part of the GNOME session is responsible for making OO.o see fonts and use an industrial-esque theme?
[10:56] <soundray> twb, I did, but that was 15 minutes ago.
[10:56] <_jason> Artan1s: ubuntuforums.org, I searched for 'compile keymap'
[10:56] <Mordof> twb, KatteKra1 did
[10:56] <IdleOne> ompaul:  I guess so
[10:56] <ompaul> IdleOne, at a guess :-) the 0 was a mistake
[10:57] <twb> When I start it from xinit, I get nothing.   Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Chrisx1
[10:57] <Chrisx1> !universe
[10:57] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[10:57] <Artan1s> _jason: there were a list of other warnings as well, but they filled the screen
[10:57] <[D-Tail] > good evening all! :-)
[10:57] <Chrisx1> is dapper released yet?
[10:57] <soundray> !dapper
[10:57] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due april 20, 2006. Be warned that it's not yet stable but you are encouraged to help out with testing - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing.
[10:57] <ompaul> IdleOne, >>cat /etc/fstab<< paste the output into paste.ubuntu-nl.org and give me the url
[10:57] <[D-Tail] > I got a little question about the new fglrx-drivers -- I can't get them installed somehow
[10:57] <runaros> graft: I figured so at first. But I had two different Cd's at hand. The first was a cd I'd burned myself (downloading the ISO and burned it), the other was an "official" cd that my girlfriend brought home from the university. Both containing version 5.10, and both presenting me with the exact same problem
[10:57] <IdleOne> ompaul:  ok gimme a sec
[10:58] <[D-Tail] > can anyone help me with that fglrx problem?
[10:58] <zeusmati> need help with the Ubuntu installation
[10:58] <anto9us> !ask
[10:58] <Artan1s> _jason: I appreciate your help, by the way.
[10:58] <zeusmati> !ask
[10:58] <fangorious> how do I get vim to enable syntax highlighting by default for files it knows how to syntax highlight? (rather than ':syntax on' every time I start it)
[10:58] <soundray> Fleischlego, good luck, and get yourself a less disgusting nick :)
[10:58] <[D-Tail] > has anyone already got fglrx 8.22.5 installed?
[10:59] <Fleischlego> soundray: LOL.
[10:59] <Artan1s> _jason: is your ubuntu forums name _jason as well? Im going to put you as my refererr
[10:59] <Fleischlego> soundray: Thanks much for help. :)
[10:59] <djm62> can anyone recommend an accelerated/speed reading package for ubuntu?
[10:59] <fangorious> [D-Tail] , yes
[10:59] <[D-Tail] > fangorious: how did you get it to work?
[10:59] <amphi> fangorious: echo 'syn on' >> ~/.vimrc
[10:59] <fangorious> amphi, thanks
[10:59] <djm62> (read and speed are bad apt-cache searches)
[10:59] <_jason> Artan1s: okay, seems like it was a bug so we are going to try to update the packages on your system first.  Are you a new linux user?
[10:59] <[D-Tail] > I just upgraded my xorg-driver-fglrx package, fglrx-control and fglrx-kernel-$(uname -r)
[10:59] <rewt_> why wont my gdesklets load on startup? i put them in the session and startup tab?
[10:59] <whiter> how do i instlal w32 codecs?
[11:00] <fangorious> [D-Tail] , http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423584
[11:00] <[D-Tail] > and now DRI doesn't work anymore
[11:00] <alec_guiness> what would the command be to mount an ntfs windows share?
[11:00] <zeusmati> !ask
[11:00] <ompaul> !ntfs
[11:00] <ubotu> [ntfs]  the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[11:00] <amphi> !w32codecs
[11:00] <ubotu> well, w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[11:00] <Artan1s> _jason: I had slackware on this same computer all of about a day, there were some errors on the install, so I asked around and was referred to ubuntu and here I am.  So to answer your question, yes I am new.
[11:00] <Operator23> Hello; I've got ubuntu set up on a load of old, crappy compuers in the local boys & girls club. I only had time to install last time I was there, and the net settings aren't up yet
[11:00] <[D-Tail] > fangorious: the apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx command results in an error here...
[11:00] <sskk> I have a 5.04 version of ubuntu running on my disc-less laptop. Is it worth upgrading to 5.10? (By the way: is there a shortcut for upgrading, or do I have to reformat and reinstall?)
[11:00] <[D-Tail] > the rest can be deleted though
[11:00] <IdleOne> ompaul:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8667
[11:00] <Operator23> Anyone have expereience with a zoomx5 modem/router?
[11:00] <Operator23> Things seem OK, but net connections aren't going through
[11:00] <trevorv> Hi, does anyone know where I can lay my hand on a Dapper flight-4 .iso? the links on the wiki dont seem to work
[11:00] <zeusmati> need help with the Ubuntu installation, i had an error during the base system installation
[11:01] <Operator23> I'm helping over the phone
[11:01] <Ng> !upgrade
[11:01] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[11:01] <Cylindric> well, that didn't work.  I think I'm not going to get it working any time soon :(
[11:01] <Ng> sskk: ^^
[11:01] <Ng> sskk: as to whether or not it's worth it, only you can decide that
[11:01] <GigaClon> sskk, i like breezy
[11:01] <Ng> sskk: nothing huge changes really, it's just all a little better
[11:01] <fangorious> [D-Tail] , what error?
[11:01] <_jason> Artan1s: okay, do the following: 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list' and then uncomment all of the online repositories, anything that starts with 'deb'.  If cdrom is listed at the top, comment that. (comments jsut start with a #)
[11:02] <GigaClon> except they took the terminal out of the desktop context menu
[11:02] <tatters> is there a way to find what sourcelist hostsentry might be on?
[11:02] <fangorious> is there a way to specify network proxy settings in xchat-gnome? (or konversation)
[11:02] <djm62> Operator23: can you localise the problem? can you ping the router? can you ping google by IP address?
[11:02] <Operator23> Actually, simple question number 1: if eth0 is active and modem/router combo is correctly configured and seen from the computer, why might the internet be inaccessible?
[11:02] <fangorious> GigaClon, install 'nautilus-open-terminal'
[11:02] <Operator23> Router= pinged
[11:02] <[D-Tail] > fangorious: 'found error during processing of 'xorg-driver-fglrx'. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)'
[11:02] <Operator23> can access web configuration macguffin
[11:02] <Artan1s> _jason ok, 1 minute
[11:02] <Operator23> Cannot load webpages
[11:02] <djm62> Operator23: can you ping outside the network?
[11:02] <Operator23> keep in mind, on site there is just a poor college girl who hardly know what linux is, and I'm phoning her.
[11:03] <rewt_> why wont my gdesklets load on startup? i put them in the session and startup tab?
[11:03] <mevjen> i am really new, how do i know if i am running on x386 or 686?
[11:03] <[D-Tail] > fangorious: do you have any clue yet?  ;-)
[11:03] <fangorious> hrm, have you tried posting in the discussion thread for the howto I linked? mlonker (the author of the HOWTO) keeps current in that thread, so he's likely to see it and respond
[11:03] <Operator23> Saints my grammar's gone to hell. Anyway, no idea, doesn't seem that way - let me get back in phone contact
[11:03] <[D-Tail] > ah
[11:03] <rewt_> mev...what processor u got?
[11:03] <ompaul> IdleOne, have you got a blank CD in that drive?
[11:03] <[D-Tail] > thanks, I'll try that...
[11:03] <IdleOne> ompaul:  yes
[11:03] <djm62> Operator23: ping <IP_ADDRESS> should work
[11:03] <mevjen> amd athlon xp
[11:04] <Operator23> dandy
[11:04] <djm62> Operator23: or the modem part of modem/router's not working
[11:04] <tatters> id check the box has an ip allocated first maybe first?
[11:04] <fangorious> [D-Tail] , are you tring to install an old copy of the Ati binary, or the one packaged by ubuntu?
[11:04] <mevjen> rewt_: amd athlon xp
[11:04] <rewt_> xp what?
[11:04] <mevjen> 2700
[11:04] <[D-Tail] > fangorious: what do you mean with 'old copy'?
[11:05] <[D-Tail] > I simply downloaded the newest packages and thought of installing them over the old ones...
[11:05] <[D-Tail] > which apparently didn't work
[11:05] <GigaClon> mevjen, what does uname -r say when you type it into a terminal
[11:05] <ompaul> IdleOne, do this On the menu there is an option Computer - choose this, there will be a dialog box what does it say about the CD rom below it
[11:05] <zeusmati> can anybody help me?
[11:05] <Artan1s> _jason I commented the CDROM and uncommented all the deb, when I tried to Write out it said access denied
[11:05] <mevjen> ok its 386
[11:05] <rewt_> yes 386
[11:05] <tatters> is there a way to find what sourcelist /repos a package might be on?
[11:05] <ompaul> IdleOne, places / computer that is
[11:05] <_jason> Artan1s: heh sorry, I should have asked you to do 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[11:06] <djm62> Operator23: if that works, try ping www.google.com, if that fails, try to reconfigure the modem bit
[11:06] <mevjen> i am confused though my nvidia graphics drivers arent giving me very high screen res
[11:06] <fangorious> [D-Tail] , you said you're trying to remove xorg-driver-fglrx, so I was wondering if it's the ubuntu one, or one created from installing an older revision of the Ati binary driver
[11:06] <Artan1s> _jason no problem. Be right back
[11:06] <GigaClon> is there a quick and easy guide to setting up fluxbox from ubuntu
[11:06] <[D-Tail] > fangorious: I don't know for sure - how do I check?
[11:07] <rewt_> in x.conf there should be something about resolutions
[11:07] <IdleOne> ompaul:  icon for is CD-ROM Drive
[11:07] <albacker> hey guys how should i edit /etc/fstab lines so the user can acces /media/hda1 [windows partition]   without getting permision denied ?
[11:07] <Operator23> Woop
[11:07] <rewt_> GigaClon if you find one, let me know ;)
[11:07] <ompaul> IdleOne, exactly what is written below it
[11:07] <ompaul> IdleOne, the precise text
[11:07] <_jason> ubotu: tell albacker about mountwindows
[11:07] <Chris_Tucker> i just added an ISA nic to my system, but its not showing up, only my PCI one... whats wrong?
[11:07] <IdleOne> ompaul:  CD-ROM DRive
[11:07] <fangorious> [D-Tail] , is this your first attempt at installing the binary driver from Ati? (what version are you uninstalling 'dpkg -l xorg-driver-fglrx')
[11:07] <Operator23> Sory I poped offfff
[11:07] <sorush20> hi guys play back is bad and slow I have enabled dma for all my device.. hardware is fast.. but I think my video overlay is not working well any on think they could help out.. ?
[11:07] <sorush20> (22:05:00) sorush20: The problem is because I have a graphics chip that apparently dosen't have full dri supported..
[11:07] <sorush20> (22:05:18) sorush20: I have looked at the xorg config and logs but no sue really ..
[11:07] <sorush20> (22:05:28) sorush20: anyone want to trouble shoot with me?
[11:07] <_jason> albacker: see the table towards the middle of that link
[11:07] <IdleOne> ompaul:  CD-ROM Drive
[11:07] <ompaul> IdleOne, it does not support that drive burning
[11:08] <GigaClon> if you google for "fluxbox guide" you get a gentoo guide
[11:08] <Operator23> Anyway, disaster delayed - they're shutting things down until Thrusday, when i can go on-site to set things up.
[11:08] <vanguardist> hello. I just upgraded to dapper
[11:08] <[D-Tail] > fangorious: [ri  xorg-driver-fg 8.22.5-1]
[11:08] <Operator23> So, thankfully, nothing to worry about.
[11:08] <vanguardist> what's the package I need for mp3 gstreamer playback?
[11:08] <albacker> _jason, ok, the do already outomount, only that i have to su first.
[11:08] <[D-Tail] > 'ri' as in, badly installed, I figure ;-)
[11:08] <Artan1s> _jason: done
[11:08] <IdleOne> ompaul:  so I cant burn cd's then is what your telling me
[11:08] <vanguardist> totem/rythmbox are not working
[11:08] <Operator23> I'd worry about the lab being closed if the computers had worked previous to this.
[11:08] <_jason> albacker: right, see the table in the link.  it explains permissions
[11:08] <rewt_> totem = the suck
[11:08] <rewt_> always crashes me
[11:08] <ompaul> IdleOne, mine says CD-RW Drive, and yes that is what I am telling you about that drive, which I find strange
[11:08] <vanguardist> rewt_: yeah true, but I would like it to work
[11:08] <_jason> Artan1s: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:08] <vanguardist> for consistency's sake
[11:09] <albacker> _jason, k, thanks.
[11:09] <Operator23> Anyway, I'm pretty sure my setup instructions got garbled over the phone, so I'll fix things up quick in person.
[11:09] <vanguardist> gstreamer-mad is not working it seems
[11:09] <IdleOne> ompaul: is it possible i need cetain drivers for it?
[11:09] <ompaul> IdleOne, does the drive have any numbers printed on the outside
[11:09] <Chris_Tucker> i just added an ISA nic to my system, but its not showing up, only my PCI one... whats wrong?
[11:09] <mevjen> anyone know how i can get my full screen res?
[11:09] <Operator23> I'm just glad this place exists so I can burst in here with everything in flames and cry for help.
[11:09] <pianoboy3333> Has anyone here figured out a way to play m4p's the file u get from the itunes store?
[11:09] <Operator23> Thanks.
[11:09] <IdleOne> ompaul:  nope
[11:09] <Operator23> Out.
[11:09] <sorush20> her ei sthe best info I have been able to get ... http://www.winischhofer.at/linuxsispart3.shtml, for the chips
[11:09] <djm62> pianoboy3333: you need to crack the DRM, I think
[11:10] <ompaul> IdleOne, does it say Compact Disk Rewritable
[11:10] <fangorious> [D-Tail] , if you're logged into that machine and X is running, maybe that's preventing you from uninstalling it
[11:10] <ompaul> IdleOne, or writeable
[11:10] <pianoboy3333> djm62, and how?
[11:10] <[D-Tail] > ok - so I should shut down X first?
[11:10] <IdleOne> ompaul:  on the CD?
[11:10] <[D-Tail] > what 'driver' should I specify in my xorg.conf afterwards?
[11:10] <ompaul> IdleOne, on the drive
[11:10] <[D-Tail] > 'ati' or so?
[11:10] <djm62> pianoboy3333: after which, gstreamer-faad (or something faad) is the right widget
[11:10] <IdleOne> ompaul:  no it doesnt
[11:10] <fangorious> pianoboy3333, check out jHymn to remove the encryption, or use PyMusique to buy (doesn't encrypt the file)
[11:10] <Chris_Tucker> i just added an ISA nic to my system, but its not showing up, only my PCI one... whats wrong?
[11:11] <rewt_> why wont my gdesklets load on startup? i put them in the session and startup tab?
[11:11] <[D-Tail] > fangorious: and in a terminal, 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop' is just enough to stop X?
[11:11] <djm62> fangorious: that was what I was trying to dredge from me neurons :)
[11:11] <[D-Tail] > or does  a command 'stopx' exists (much like startx)?
[11:11] <rewt_> ctrl alt backspace
[11:11] <rewt_> will kill x
[11:11] <fangorious> [D-Tail] , the gdm stop should do it
[11:11] <mevjen> how do i get back into gnome after pressing ctrl+alt+bckspc
[11:11] <djm62> [D-Tail] : /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or even restart) is the way to do it
[11:11] <rewt_> start x
[11:12] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, pianoboy3333: PyMusique has been replaced by SharpMusique (according to their web site).
[11:12] <mevjen> ok thx
[11:12] <ompaul> IdleOne, then I suggest it is not a *normal* drive, most of them tell you speed or something on the outside
[11:12] <rewt_> yep
[11:12] <[D-Tail] > ok... rewt_: I dislike to explicitly kill programs ;-)
[11:12] <ompaul> IdleOne, just one point this is a PC
[11:12] <pianoboy3333> tonyyarusso: but what will get the encryption off?
[11:12] <rewt_> hehe
[11:12] <fangorious> tonyyarusso, cool
[11:12] <[D-Tail] > fangorious: then I should apt-get remove the remaining packages... and then what?
[11:12] <Artan1s> _jason: damn, I need to be connected to the internet dont I?
[11:12] <pianoboy3333> how do u start xubuntu-desktop?
[11:12] <IdleOne> ompaul: this drive came from a Dell PC and I have used on the Dell to burn iso's
[11:12] <sskk> what is a command to identify what version of ubuntu I'm currently on?
[11:12] <tonyyarusso> pianoboy3333: Well maybe SM doesn't encrypt either, I'm not sure.
[11:12] <fangorious> pianoboy3333, i don't think it decrypts, but you can check. I think it just allows you to buy them without encryption
[11:13] <hatake_kakashi> sskk: cat /proc/version
[11:13] <_jason> Artan1s: hrmm yeah, is that not possible?
[11:13] <sskk> thanks
[11:13] <IdleOne> ompaul:  yes this is a pc Im on
[11:13] <Artan1s> _jason: I cant connect to the internet with that computer but...
[11:13] <hatake_kakashi> sskk: np
[11:13] <fangorious> [D-Tail] , after you've removed them, you can try rebuilding and reinstalling them
[11:13] <learner_learner> !mountwindows
[11:13] <ubotu> Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter to make your windows or mac partitions mount automatically.  If you wish to set it up yourself by hand, read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[11:13] <[D-Tail] > well... gonna try reinstalling them now
[11:13] <jhons2> Hi all- can anyone take a installation question>
[11:13] <ompaul> IdleOne, okay do me a favour - check that it is not set cable select, it should be set master or slave to make sure there are no issues in that space
[11:13] <[D-Tail] > thanks in advance and you'll see me here back again ;-)
[11:13] <Artan1s> _jason: an error did occur during install at about 75% of putting the packages in and im thinking there was a problem with the partition because it said it was only 2.1 gb when my HDD is 20gb
[11:13] <Fleischlego> Ok, guys. I'm out again. Thanks for help, I'm off crashing my head into a wall or something. :)
[11:13] <pianoboy3333> What do you do to use xubuntu?
[11:14] <pianoboy3333> !xfce
[11:14] <ubotu> xfce is, like, totally, a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4" or "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". http://www.xfce.org/
[11:14] <IdleOne> ompaul:  I believe it set cable select
[11:14] <rewt_> how exactly do you type directly to someone?
[11:14] <ompaul> IdleOne, I accuse that setting of causing you pain
[11:14] <_jason> Artan1s: that's probably why, I think you should format and try again
[11:14] <IdleOne> ompaul:  Ill change it to master and be back to let you know how it turns out :)
[11:14] <fangorious> rewt_, you can use '/msg nickname' if you don't want it displayed in the channel
[11:15] <ompaul> IdleOne, well to test you just right click on the iso and away you go
[11:15] <Artan1s> _jason: ok. Im going to do it manually this time.  Thanks for the help, Ill let you know how it went
[11:15] <IdleOne> ompaul:  yup :)
[11:15] <_jason> Artan1s: good luck
[11:15] <Artan1s> _jason: thanks
[11:15] <jhons2> Can you choose which harddrive you want to install to in the installer?
[11:15] <ompaul> IdleOne, enjoy c u soon
[11:15] <rewt_> Anyone got any idea about my application start up?
[11:15] <fangorious> jhons2, yes
[11:16] <pianoboy3333> How do u use xfce in ubuntu? I have xubuntu-desktop
[11:16] <Mauricio> (nick
[11:16] <ompaul> you know when you figure out the stuff that gets fixed over IRC sometimes you just gotta be amazed
[11:16] <fangorious> pianoboy3333, from the login screen, try the sessions button
[11:16] <jhons2> ok because I was installing Kubuntu and I dont think it ever did
[11:16] <rewt_>  my gdesklets wont load on startup? i put them in session and startup tab? marked # 50?
[11:16] <amonkey> where can i get advice about ffmpeg? it won't accept a ogm as input, although mplayer uses ffmpeg to play ogms.
[11:16] <rewt_> arg its making meh mad
[11:16] <pianoboy3333> ok
[11:17] <ompaul> pianoboy3333, in a terminal do "sudo update alternatives all"
[11:17] <ompaul> !heh
[11:17] <ubotu> Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work.  "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such.  Or http://odinnet.ath.cx/~erik/heh
[11:17] <tonyyarusso> rewt_: Just have them running when you log out next time.
[11:17] <rewt_> i do
[11:17] <tonyyarusso> rewt_: Save session?
[11:17] <jhons2> Can you choose which harddrive you want to install to in the installer fo Kubuntu? ( I forgot to say i was installing Kubuntu)
[11:18] <thomas> When I press reply in evolution my signature is the the very buttom, under the mail I'm replying. How do I get it to be above the mail I'm replying?
[11:18] <bliss> helloall
[11:18] <_jason> ompaul: aww 404
[11:18] <ompaul> _jason, I meant to do heh!
[11:18] <hatake_kakashi> jhons2: yes, but imo 5.04 (Hoary) seems a little buggy, so physically unplug either the power cable or the data cable off the other hard drives before approaching installation and you should be set
[11:18] <_jason> ompaul: heh
[11:18] <ompaul> so we start with one error the factiod has been fixed
[11:19] <bliss> i have ssh conection on port 22 localhost if I try on my machine at home no problem but from outside cannot connect  please help
[11:19] <jhons2> hatake_kakashi do i need to worry about that with 5.10?
[11:19] <Rawplayer> FA
[11:20] <anTiX> why don't I have java-package? I have multiverse..
[11:20] <rehpotsirhc> bliss, are you behind a router?
[11:20] <ompaul> Rawplayer, ahh come on, how do we manage to maintain a G rating
[11:20] <fangorious> what rehpotsirhc said
[11:20] <Rawplayer> ;p
[11:20] <bliss> yes but I have opened port 22 ssh on router
[11:21] <rehpotsirhc> did you try opening another port and seeing if you could connect?
[11:21] <thomas> anyone proficient in evolution?
[11:21] <fangorious> bliss, do you have more than one machine behind the router?
[11:21] <ompaul> thomas, ask a specific question
[11:21] <thomas> When I press reply in evolution my signature is the very buttom, under the mail I'm replying. How do I get it to be above the mail I'm replying?
[11:21] <bliss> no only one
[11:21] <djm62> thomas: in evolution, aye, but not with that question
[11:21] <fangorious> thomas, well I haven't quite developed my third eye yet, but it's coming along nicely
[11:22] <hatake_kakashi> jhons2: not sure, give it a try, if at boot it does not seem to work, then you can try my method
[11:22] <sizzam> anyone know of a good guide for a new linux user to learn about different system logs to keep an eye on, to watch for intrusion attempts, app errors, etc?
[11:22] <fangorious> bliss, try it on some random port, like 16022
[11:22] <ompaul> thomas, (A) your defying convention (B) recompile the software to do what you want - don't call it evoltuion though :)  and I am not an expert
[11:22] <fangorious> bliss, maybe your ISP blocks incoming traffic on port 22
[11:22] <larsemil> i have a really weird problem. just recently installed ubuntu and was really happy with the look. so i restarted my computer and now i have the ugly edubuntu... how change back?
[11:23] <djm62> sizzam: have a look through the log files... if you do it read-only you can't do any harm
[11:23] <thomas> ompaul, ok I'm new to this...
[11:23] <sizzam> djm62, where do i find the log files
[11:23] <hatake_kakashi> larsemil: its probably just the themes, etc
[11:23] <djm62> sizzam: /var/log/ is a good start
[11:24] <bliss> I thibk its a difference between localhost and my ip address which is a reverese dns to my domain name
[11:24] <whiter> hm
[11:24] <ompaul> thomas, - the thing is that in email we all put sigs at the bottom of the mail then they get removed if the client is clever at the far end which is good and so the world rotates
[11:24] <whiter> i downloaded the w32 codecs
[11:24] <whiter> but i still cant play this movie
[11:24] <whiter> through firefox, im trying to play an <embed src> thing
[11:24] <pianoboy3333> xfce is weird........'
[11:24] <sizzam> djm62, thanks, are you familiar with the dmesg command? if so, what logs does that check
[11:24] <bliss> localhost and ip address are different when trying to connect from outside?
[11:24] <jhons2> hatake_kakashi: would there be any risk in formatting my windows drive?
[11:24] <larsemil> hatake_kakashi, well my loginscreen is also edubuntu..
[11:25] <ogra> larsemil, uninstall edubuntu-artwork ... why did you install it if you dont like it ?
[11:25] <larsemil> ogra,  i did not...
[11:25] <djm62> sizzam: always a good reference, man dmesg ;)
[11:25] <hatake_kakashi> jhons2: are you planning to make it a linux only install or dualboot?
[11:25] <ompaul> pianoboy3333, no it is closer to classic X
[11:26] <ogra> larsemil, packages dont install themselves out of the blue ...
[11:26] <jhons2> hatake_kakashi: dual boo, but i have two hard drives
[11:26] <thomas> ompaul, Ok I'm not sure if I get the arguement. Why dont you want the signature right after what you have written in a mail?
[11:26] <djm62> sizzam: not meant as a rebuff.  I don't remember offhand, and there's no more point in me looking it up than you doing it
[11:26] <pianoboy3333> ompaul: what is? xubuntu-desktop?
[11:26] <ogra> larsemil, you either installed edubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-artwork ... (the first depends on the latter)
[11:26] <larsemil> ogra well i do know that. i installed ubuntu, installed atidrivers, rebooted, and baaam! there was edubuntu
[11:26] <ompaul> thomas, when you send me a reply I know my address / phone number / slogan / web site
[11:26] <ompaul> pianoboy3333, yeap
[11:27] <bliss> ok thanks for feedback I will have to think about it  maybe when not so hectic
[11:27] <hatake_kakashi> jhons2: it shouldn't really affect it imo, but there might be a chance that it will.. I mean ubuntu/kubuntu not booting up. With dualboot it should not affect it
[11:27] <ompaul> thomas, does that make sense
[11:27] <ogra> larsemil, the edubuntu-artwork package containsd the tehems, just uninstall it ...
[11:27] <ogra> *themes
[11:27] <fangorious> localhost is different from your public (and even your private) IP address
[11:27] <fangorious> bliss
[11:28] <kbrooks> fangorious, localhost resolves to <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:28] <bliss> yep fangorious
[11:28] <thomas> ompaul, Yes but you don't know mine! I mean I want to write the mail finish it off with my signature, and underneath I want the mail history
[11:28] <kbrooks> which, well, should be dself explanatory
[11:28] <pianoboy3333> fangorious: isn't localhost your computer only?
[11:28] <fangorious> kbrooks, yes, it sounded like bliss was asking if that was the case, and i forgot to preced the comment with his nick
[11:28] <ompaul> thomas, when you send your first I see it do I not - when I hit reply it cuts it off
[11:28] <jhons2> hatake_kakashi: so i just need to unplug my primary(windows) drive?
[11:29] <bliss> i am lost who is talking to who
[11:29] <fangorious> bliss, does your routing have a log for incoming requests?
[11:29] <hatake_kakashi> jhons2: that's only if it does not work
[11:29] <bliss> I am not sure I will look
[11:29] <ompaul> thomas, also check out how your mail client follows a thread, and now your talking about something called top posting which is flame war material - go to #ubuntu-offtopic for a discussion on that
[11:29] <fangorious> bliss, I was responding to you, but forgot to but your name at the front of my comment, so a couple people responded to me as if i was asking a question
[11:29] <thomas> ompaul, but the sign is under what you have written.
[11:30] <bliss> its a ag241 linksys 4 port switch
[11:30] <ompaul> thomas, /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:30] <thomas> ompaul, ok thanks
[11:31] <jhons2> hatake_kakashi: ok as long as i will have a HD choice during the installation of Kubuntu 5.10  I tried installing it but it went into installation, and i rebooted and windows had an error and i had to rollback
[11:31] <IdleOne> ompaul:  changing drive from cable select to master didnt work :|
[11:31] <fangorious> bliss, that doesn't mean anything to me. you'll have to either read the product documentation or the admin tool (web page?)
[11:31] <hatake_kakashi> jhons2: hopefully your bootloader is grub, and I don't see how that would have a major affect on dualbooting part
[11:31] <tonyyarusso> Would it be possible to install something and run processes from an ftp server I have access too?  I have some webspace through my ISP, and I was pondering if it's possible to say have Gaim running on it to do buddy pounces even if my computer's off.  Any idea?
[11:32] <jhons2> hatake_kakashi: i thought that grub was included in the kubuntu install
[11:33] <fangorious> tonyyarusso, if their ftp server has a remote code execution exploit (like a buffer overflow or something). but that could result in criminal charges
[11:33] <ompaul> IdleOne, I have nothing further for you on that - pity really, I wonder if the burning was done by a software drive and the drive is not atapi
[11:33] <tonyyarusso> fangorious: That would not be good.  Need a clean criminal record to cross the border and stuff!
[11:33] <IdleOne> ompaul:  thanks for trying :)
[11:34] <sizzam> is there a log i can check for failed attempts to ssh into my box?
[11:34] <hatake_kakashi> jhons2: it is, but it also has lilo bootloader as a fallback installation for bootloader. Some people can get lilo bootloader to work with windows, other's can't, your mileage may vary
[11:34] <amphi> sorush20: what card is it?
[11:34] <tonyyarusso> fangorious: You can have things that are executable for web sites though, like cgi scripts, so what's different about this?
[11:34] <fangorious> sizzam, /var/log/daemon.log comes to mind
[11:34] <IdleOne> ompaul:  I guess Ill just have to install drive onto my windows pc and burn from there ...pity really I was hoping to make a full jump to linux
[11:35] <amphi> sorush20: n/m, I looked at scrollback
[11:35] <fangorious> sizzam, also /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages
[11:35] <fangorious> tonyyarusso, I'm assuming your ISP doesn't offer an FTP server for you to run arbitraty programs on their server through
[11:35] <jhons2> hatake_kakashi: thanks for your help
[11:35] <sizzam> thanx
[11:35] <hatake_kakashi> jhons2: np
[11:36] <fangorious> tonyyarusso, if your ISP doesn't mind you running gaim on their servers, you can just ask them. If they do mind, subversive attempts to do saw would be trespassing on their network
[11:36] <bliss> no logs found only thing being blocked is under heading block WAN requests and a box is checked  which says block anonymous internet requests
[11:37] <ompaul> IdleOne, you can - but not with that drive - be aware when you go to buy new hardware for your linux box that it should be supported - check on mailing lists and google first
[11:37] <fangorious> bliss, did you try forwarding a different port on your router to port 22 on the private machine?
[11:37] <tonyyarusso> fangorious: Okay, that stuff all makes sense.  What I don't know at this point though is how something like that would be different from scripts for a web site.  Just in purpose, or is there something different about how they need to be run?
[11:37] <IdleOne> ompaul:  will do
[11:37] <aleitner> can dapper (based on dapper flight 3) be installed and then run from a usb hdd/memstick?
[11:38] <mark__> hey, I'm having some major problems with my other monitor :\. I've managed to get both of them to work in dual mode (xinema or something), but the second one is all screwd up etc
[11:38] <mark__> and I have no idea how to fix it
[11:38] <mark__> i can paste my xorg.conf somehwere if you want
[11:38] <ompaul> IdleOne, to be honest most out of the box burners work - something very strange there
[11:38] <fangorious> tonyyarusso, tehnically it's all just code. but you have to adhere to the terms of service
[11:38] <tonyyarusso> fangorious: Ah.  So it's an agreement matter, rather than a technical one?
[11:38] <IdleOne> ompaul:  can the fact that its from Dell have something to do with it?
[11:39] <IdleOne> ompaul:  drive is only 2 years old
[11:39] <tonyyarusso> aleitner: Don't know why not, as long as you can boot to that through the bios and/or bootloader.
[11:39] <richie_> hi
[11:39] <ompaul> IdleOne, the other drive on that cable was not set to CS or master was it?
[11:40] <aleitner> tonyyarusso: great. then i will give it a try...
[11:40] <IdleOne> ompaul:  there is no other drive
[11:40] <ompaul> IdleOne, is the hard drive on CS?
[11:40] <IdleOne> hmmm
[11:40] <bliss> fangorious what do you mean by a different port
[11:40] <ompaul> stanger things have happened
[11:40] <IdleOne> ompaul:  guess Ill have to look to make sure
[11:40] <leE_> don't suppose there's anyone around that's feeling charitable with help for package management traumas? :)
[11:40] <richie_> hi
[11:41] <ompaul> !ask
[11:41] <richie_> dfsadfsafsdfsadfsadfsdsdfdfasf
[11:41] <hatake_kakashi> if both hard disks are on CS and are on the same cable, it should not matter
[11:41] <IdleOne> !anyone
[11:41] <ubotu> probably 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? <hint>
[11:41] <ompaul> !+ask
[11:41] <ubotu> ask is, like, totally, just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model, outputs of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is important. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Keeping the question in one line makes it easier to read. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[11:41] <E> I love ubuntu, and I would want to install it in my office, but use the full disc, not a partition, and now I need to recover some office files not the xp. What can I do?
[11:41] <ompaul> richie_, no don't go there
[11:41] <X-GueSt> ppl
[11:41] <Foodcoman> Google fatique, has anyone worked with Hardware RAID 0 SCSI and got grub to work and load the kernel?  Compaq Proliant DL380 in this case?
[11:41] <X-GueSt> can someone get me any help with Xgl ?
[11:41] <fangorious> bliss, on your router you have port 22 on the WAN side forwarding to port 22 on some private IP address (the IP of your machine running sshd)
[11:41] <X-GueSt> plz? :)
[11:41] <fangorious> X-GueSt, there's a howto in the dapper forum on ubuntuforums.org
[11:41] <mark__> can someone tell me the non-GUI command to configure xfgl
[11:42] <richie_> dont go where
[11:42] <fangorious> X-GueSt, I don't think it is supported in breezy
[11:42] <X-GueSt> fangorious, but it seems that the file of Xgl to download
[11:42] <X-GueSt> the link is broken
[11:42] <X-GueSt> im using dapper
[11:42] <X-GueSt> :p
[11:42] <richie_> im trying to change the colour of me fonts and name
[11:43] <X-GueSt> fangorious, btw do I realy hav to do so many sh*t to get it working ? :|
[11:43] <fangorious> bliss, try forwarding port 16022 on the router's WAN interface to your machine (in case your ISP blocks incoming traffic on port 22)
[11:43] <fangorious> X-GueSt, no idea, I'm running breezy so haven't looked at the howto beyond that it's linked from the dapper forum
[11:43] <amphi> X-GueSt: the price of the bleeding edge
[11:44] <E> Some body can help????
[11:44] <E> I installed ubuntu  in my pc office, but use the full disc partition, not a portion, and now I need to recover some office files not the xp. What can I do?
[11:44] <tonyyarusso> E: You saying you overwrote the entire disk and now you want something that was on it?
[11:45] <fangorious> E: if you deleted your windows partition i don't think it's recoverble without paying a data recovery service
[11:45] <Xenguy> E: run for you backups =)
[11:45] <mindamp> no matter which ftp server i install... it always hangs on the directory listing...
[11:45] <mindamp> anyone seen this before?
[11:45] <Xenguy> *your
[11:45] <tonyyarusso> E: Hopefully you thought to make them.
[11:45] <ribaldjester> I am having trouble compiling a kernel module - I keep getting GCC errors
[11:45] <ribaldjester> like thus: gcc-3.4: command not found
[11:45] <bliss> i have two sections on my router one is called single port forwarding the other option is called port range forwarding this is where sssh is plaved from 22 to 22
[11:45] <Xenguy> mindamp: vsftpd ?
[11:45] <Ng> ribaldjester: install the gcc-3.4 package
[11:45] <mindamp> Xenguy... i have it installed now...
[11:46] <mindamp> it hangs on directory listing as well
[11:46] <mindamp> and proftpd
[11:46] <E> I have a backup but with not all files
[11:46] <fangorious> E: and just to get it out of the way, just in case, it's not a fault of the Ubuntu installer. that's just what happens when a partition is deleted and overwritten
[11:46] <mindamp> ribaldjester... you need to install gcc
[11:46] <Xenguy> mindamp: keep checking your configuration I guess <shrug>
[11:46] <tonyyarusso> fangorious: Thanks for making that point.
[11:46] <ribaldjester> Ng - how exactly? I though it was already installed?
[11:47] <mindamp> whos Ng...
[11:47] <amphi> E: you might be able to find bits and pieces with something like biew /dev/hda
[11:47] <Ng> ribaldjester: it's not installed by default. you can use synaptic (in the System->Administration menu) or apt-get in a terminal
[11:47] <mindamp> apt-get install gcc
[11:47] <ribaldjester> ok - I'll try that again..thanks
[11:47] <Ng> mindamp: that will install gcc 4
[11:47] <tonyyarusso> E: Yeah, either you need to shell out some dough or learn to live without, and learn from the experience to make more complete backups or not overwrite entire disks.
[11:47] <mindamp> no one has had this ftp daemon issue?
[11:47] <mindamp> cuase its happend on EVERY server i have setup with Ubuntu..
[11:47] <Xenguy> ribaldjester: you may need to install gcc-3.4
[11:47] <mindamp> 20+
[11:47] <mindamp> and its a major issue for me...
[11:47] <Stormx2> !dkpg
[11:47] <ubotu> Stormx2: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:47] <Stormx2> !xorg
[11:47] <ubotu> hmm... xorg is to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[11:48] <ribaldjester> hrmmm apt-get install sez - gcc is already the newest version.
[11:48] <Ng> ribaldjester: sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4
[11:48] <ribaldjester> lemme try synaptic
[11:48] <sorush20> amphi: sorry I'm back...
[11:48] <fangorious> mindamp, i haven't managed an ftp server in about 4 years, and it was pretty much a default rollout on a single machine
[11:48] <Ng> the gcc package is 4.0, but you need 3.4 to compile kernel modules
[11:48] <sorush20> here is my log look at line 160, don't I need this module for 3d?
[11:48] <Ng> everything else in ubuntu afaik is compiled with 4.0, but the kernel always needs older versions
[11:48] <Xenguy> ribaldjester: you may need to install gcc-3.4
[11:48] <ribaldjester> ah now I get Package gcc-3.4 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:48] <ribaldjester> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:48] <ribaldjester> is only available from another source
[11:48] <ribaldjester> E: Package gcc-3.4 has no installation candidate
[11:48] <ribaldjester> do I need to update my apt-get repositories?
[11:48] <Ng> quite possibly
[11:49] <fangorious> ribaldjester, couldn't hurt
[11:49] <E> I know that, now
[11:49] <Xenguy> !tell ribaldjester about repos
[11:49] <Ng> although that suggests your apt sources might be broken
[11:49] <Stormx2> ribaldjester: what do you mean, update?
[11:49] <E> I put the disc as slave and I could check it with easy recovery and see some files but it will delay 89 hours and incressing to check all the disc, exist other software to do that?
[11:49] <IdleOne> !tell ribaldjester  about pastebin
[11:49] <ribaldjester> thanks...reading
[11:50] <mindamp> any REAL ubuntu folk in here?
[11:50] <gnomefreak> ribaldjester: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file to pastebin please so we can figure out what is wrong '
[11:50] <mindamp> cause this is a serious issue...
[11:50] <_jason> mindamp: what is that supposed to mean
[11:50] <delaney> mindamp, define real?
[11:50] <bliss> fangorious did you see my reply
[11:50] <richie_> dfasd
[11:50] <fangorious> bliss, missed it, let me check
[11:50] <mindamp> uhmm... REAL = someone who knows what im talking about when it comes to the FTP daemon listing lag..
[11:50] <delaney> whats up with richie
[11:51] <gnomefreak> mindamp: ask your question if someone knows they will answer you
[11:51] <Ng> mindamp: if you have found a bug, please report it to the ubuntu bug tracker at launchpad.net/malone/
[11:51] <tatters> oh the old ftp listing thing
[11:51] <E> ribaldjester:	what is gcc package?
[11:51] <Psi-Jack> mindamp: Ego is not useful here. Ask your question and see if you get help.
[11:51] <Ng> mindamp: mostly people in here are not ubuntu developers
[11:51] <mindamp> so... flaming?
[11:51] <mindamp> hrm
[11:51] <Psi-Jack> mindamp: YOu started the flame, yourself, like a jerk. :p
[11:51] <mindamp> oh right
[11:51] <vanguardist> gah, the gst plugin for mp3 is not working. any ideas?
[11:51] <fangorious> bliss, so you have the port range 22-22 forwarded to the private ip of your server
[11:51] <Ng> we're, by and large, just volunteers here to help our fellow ubuntu users :)
[11:52] <mindamp> so no one here has setup an FTP server on a ubuntu box yet?
[11:52] <delaney> mindamp,  i have.
[11:52] <hatake_kakashi> mindamp: not I
[11:52] <Psi-Jack> mindamp: Ask a specific question related to the problem you are having.
[11:52] <mindamp> delaney... what daemon?
[11:52] <mindamp> any problems?
[11:52] <breezy> cool
[11:52] <tatters> is there a way to find what sourcelist hostsentry might be on?
[11:52] <delaney> proftpd
[11:52] <bliss> yes its <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:52] <delaney> mindamp,  it was easy as pie i followed the instructions i got from google
[11:52] <mindamp> delaney.. and you didn't have ANY issues with listings?
[11:52] <delaney> mindamp,  none not a one
[11:53] <gnomefreak> tatters: apt-cache policy hostsentry
[11:53] <delaney> mindamp,  only problem i had was my dynamic ip
[11:53] <mindamp> what FTP client do you use?
[11:53] <ribaldjester> ok my sources.list is up at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8669
[11:53] <Ng> delaney: packages.ubuntu.com will let you search all of the official repositories
[11:53] <delaney> mindamp,  ive had people use filezilla firefox explorer etc
[11:53] <Ng> I don't see hostsentry though
[11:53] <catchphrase> whats the difference between qparted and gparted?
[11:53] <Ng> portsentry, but no hostsentry
[11:53] <delaney> Ng,  no no friend. thank you but i was responding to mindamps question
[11:53] <Psi-Jack> mindamp: What exactly IS your problem?
[11:53] <mike-e> how do i reconfigure the way ubuntu reads time from my machine
[11:53] <Ng> catchphrase: one is for KDE, the other for Gnome
[11:53] <nowotny> hello... I merged the free space(~5 Gb) I had on my disk with the main linux partition(~3 Gb) but df doesn't show that the partition got bigger... it's like it was before but gparted shows that the partition has 8 Gb... anyone knows what's going on...? :/
[11:53] <catchphrase> Ng, ah thanks.
[11:53] <Ng> delaney: oh sorry ;)
[11:53] <InnerF|RE> ...
[11:53] <delaney> Ng,  no worries mate. i appreciate that you took the time to help regardless thank you :)
[11:54] <tombs> hi all
[11:54] <tatters> I using webmin and portsentry and hostsentry and logcheck are all in there but I cannot find hostsentry anywhere
[11:54] <Ng> nowotny: you probably need to resize the ext filesystem on the partition too
[11:54] <bliss> fangrious yes its <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:55] <nowotny> Ng: how would I do that...? :/
[11:55] <mike-e> how do i reconfigure the way ubuntu reads time from my machine
[11:55] <Ng> nowotny: check "man resize2fs"
[11:55] <Ng> nowotny: please read that carefully, but I'm pretty sure you can just run it on the partition in question and it will resize it to fit the new partition size
[11:55] <Ng> nowotny: it's the kind of operation that will eat all your data if it fails ;)
[11:55] <avinoam> Anyone have some experience with wine?
[11:55] <fangorious> bliss, ok, try setting up a single port forward from por 16022 on the router's WAN interface to port 22 on <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:55] <jhons2> Is it ok if I swap my slave with my primary and install linux to the slave? Could i just change the boot order of the hard drives in the bios to select which OS i want?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> !anyone
[11:55] <ubotu> probably 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? <hint>
[11:55] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[11:55] <Xenguy> avinoam: there's also #winehq
[11:56] <nowotny> Ng: thanks... that's really reaffirming... :)
[11:56] <Psi-Jack> delaney: *shrugs* He wouldn't ever specify his problem. Oh well. :)
[11:56] <mark__> gnomefreak, are you any good when it comes to configuring your xorg.conf for two monitors?
[11:56] <E> Norton have unformat or something like it, has ubuntu some utility in that way?
[11:56] <breezy> how do i get rid of the grub loader??
[11:56] <fangorious> bliss, then when you try to ssh to your server, use '-p 16022'
[11:56] <Ng> nowotny: anything that fundementally rewrites a large section of a filesystem is seriously prone to not being able to recover gracefully from a failure, unfortunately ;)
[11:56] <sorush20> guys Line 330 in the log how can I change it to enabled. ?
[11:56] <gnomefreak> mark__: i only use one moniter (cant think of a reason for a second)
[11:56] <delaney> Psi-Jack,  its ok. at least i tried.  i figure if i help people when i can maybe ill earn some help from others when i need it ;)
[11:57] <hatake_kakashi> E: for ext3 there is lost+found folder.. and depending on your fs, there are various ways, some works, others don't
[11:57] <fangorious> breezy, you mean to replace with lilo, or just flat out get rid of it (like to go back to windows)?
[11:57] <Mordof> whats the package called for the C compiles n stuf
[11:57] <nowotny> Ng: yea... too bad my whole system is on that partition... :/
[11:57] <Mordof> compilers*
[11:57] <Ng> nowotny: on the plus side, extending a filesystem doesn't involve a huge amount of rewriting, so the window for damage is quite small and resize2fs was written by a very smart guy :)
[11:57] <Ng> nowotny: can you burn off important things to CD or so?
[11:57] <bliss> not sure where WAN iterface is only two options like I said before
[11:57] <mike-e> how do i reconfigure the way ubuntu reads time from my machine
[11:57] <fangorious> Mordof, gcc
[11:57] <mark__> oh snap, well gnomefreak . could you reccomend me some place for help. because my second monitor is has rectangles of the background all over it that are distrorted
[11:57] <Xenguy> Mordof: build-essential
[11:57] <breezy> with lilo the graphical loader
[11:57] <Mordof> Xenguy, thanks
[11:57] <mark__> http://mindtzar.pastebin.com/555091
[11:57] <gnomefreak> Mordof: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:57] <mark__> my xorg conf
[11:57] <Xenguy> Mordof: yw
[11:57] <mark__> see anything criminal there
[11:57] <mark__> :D
[11:57] <Psi-Jack> delaney: Well. He really gave nothing to actually give him help for. His problem could've been a number of things. Had he actually supplied some background, I could have easily helped out. But with "any REAL ubuntu people here?" just doesn't float. :)
[11:57] <mike-e> how do i reconfigure the way ubuntu reads time from my machine, ntp fails on boot
[11:57] <tatters> I dont understand hostsenrty is out there but cannot find a link to download it
[11:57] <avinoam> Anyone know what to do if you are successful installing a program in wine, but aren't able to run it?
[11:57] <nowotny> Ng: yep... I made a copy with some windows tools...
[11:57] <tatters> does anyone use webmin?
[11:58] <gnomefreak> mark__: a few people that come in here have done it
[11:58] <rewt_> What is launcher command to launch main menu?
[11:58] <Psi-Jack> rewt_: Hey! I finally got the frackin thing to install.
[11:58] <E> hatake_kakashi: could you please can be more especific ;-)
[11:58] <fangorious> Psi-Jack, he actually asked his question 2 or 3 times that I saw before he said that, and nobody volunteered a response
[11:58] <ribaldjester> gnomefreak: I've posted my sources - see anything missing? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8669
[11:58] <delaney> Psi-Jack,  agreed it was arrogant on his part.  i got the impression perhaps he was having connection issues with active/passive perhaps.. who knows really.  im only pulling answers outta the air.
[11:58] <delaney> naptime. bbl
[11:58] <Ng> nowotny: well I fully expect the resize will work if you tell it the right things, I'm just making sure you're aware that this is more than just, say, moving a file :)
[11:59] <gnomefreak> ribaldjester: yep
[11:59] <imc_> hi, I have an urgent need to install a WPA supplicant in breezy; any good howtos out there?
[11:59] <fangorious> Psi-Jack, granted I agree that he should have just assumed that meant nobody could help. but it wasn't his opening statement
[11:59] <avinoam> Anyone know what to do if you are successful installing a program in wine, but aren't able to run it?
[11:59] <Psi-Jack> fangorious: I wasn't here to actually see it. I just FINALLY got Kubuntu to install on one of my server boxes after a failed MD5Sum check on a package.
[11:59] <jon_k> avinoam Anyone know what to do if you are successful installing a program in wine, but aren't able to run it?
[11:59] <Mordof> how do ig et out of X?
[11:59] <hatake_kakashi> E: its more of question that it depends, for certain filesystems, you can get recovery applications, not all the time will it work. The thing is, I don't really think there is an actual 'undeleter' for linux. Google around, you may find one, but it is obvious that you should be very careful when you are root
[11:59] <fangorious> Psi-Jack, how you like it so far?
[11:59] <gnomefreak> ribaldjester: put a # infront of the very first line the cdrom repo  than take the # away from the onther lines that start with deb
[11:59] <bliss> fangrious   -----not surewhere WAN interface is as I said before only have two options single port forwarding and range port forwarding
[11:59] <avinoam> jon_k, i can do setup, but then i can't start the program
[11:59] <Robocision> Hiya.  What's the best way to obtain nvidia video and creative sound drivers?
[11:59] <nowotny> Ng: I'm aware... I have just done some major partition resizing/moving/deleting/recreating...
[11:59] <Ng> Mordof: you can get a console with ctrl-alt-f1, or slay X immediately with ctrl-alt-backspace (although it will probably restart immediately)
[11:59] <breezy> well is lilo on ubuntu bootloader???
[12:00] <jon_k> avinoam, any errors?
[12:00] <Mordof> Ng, yeah it restarts


[05:47] <mr_steve> anyone use nagios?
[06:31] <sparklehistory> mr_steve: ask tonyyarusso next time he's around
[06:34] <mr_steve> sparklehistory: will do
[18:31] <tonyyarusso> mr_steve: I *work* at Nagios, so in theory I know something about it.
[18:32] <mr_steve> tonyyarusso: I just started trying to use it, because Zabbix is a bloated pig
[18:32] <tonyyarusso> ha, all righty
[18:33]  * tonyyarusso hasn't tried zabbix
[18:34] <mr_steve> Zabbix is real nice in some ways, but it's so database-intensive, it's been keeping my system load around 3
[18:36] <mr_steve> so, my question is this; is there such a thing as a good config GUI for nagios, or should I just keep banging out these config files
[18:39] <tonyyarusso> Depends how you define "good".
[18:39] <tonyyarusso> We use NagiosQL, which is decent, but if you ever look at the code for it your held will explode.
[18:44] <mr_steve> that's pretty much how I feel about my current nagios config files
[18:45] <mr_steve> I'm getting the hang of it, but I think starting from Ubuntu's default config is confusing me
[18:46] <tonyyarusso> how so?  Because all of the Nagios documentation is for a hacky CentOS install that breaks FHS guidelines at every turn?
[18:47] <mr_steve> yep, pretty much ;)
[18:47] <tonyyarusso> yeah....ignore those :P
[18:47] <tonyyarusso> Ubuntu's way is right :)
[18:48] <mr_steve> agreed. I'm just still figuring out some of the stuff that's already defined in the default configuration
[18:49] <mr_steve> I keep finding myself saying "ok, now where is this being defined...?"
[18:50] <tonyyarusso> grep ftw!
[18:51] <mr_steve> yup
[18:52] <mr_steve> i'm also keeping /etc/nagios3/conf.d version controlled, for when I inevitably break things
[18:53] <tonyyarusso> good plan
[18:55] <mr_steve> yeah, I'm keeping a lot of config files in bzr, pushed to another machine. I rebuilt my laptop a while back and forgot to copy my dotfiles, that pretty much sucked
[19:53] <mr_steve> tonyyarusso: any particular gotchas I should be aware of when installing NagiosQL on Ubuntu?
[19:55] <tonyyarusso> mr_steve: No idea - never done it :P
[19:57] <mr_steve> heh, well I just found one; the docs say the tarball extracts into it's own subdirectory. It does not.
[19:58] <tonyyarusso> lovely
[20:00] <mr_steve> yup. I should really know better than to explode random tarballs in my webroot, I suppose
[20:00] <Obsidian1723> well, that's better than the doc saying there is tar in yer lungs.
[20:00] <Obsidian1723> ;) /snark
[20:01] <mr_steve> haha
[22:30] <Obsidian1723> Hmmmm looks like AT&TUverse doesn't want to support Linux. http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2010/12/at-blocks-linux-configuration.html


[00:00] <urlin2u> emorris, cool the XP and being on the development channel just checking. :D
[00:00] <emorris> urlin2u, yeah, sorry :-p
[00:46] <pr0xy> power/settings menu button randomly disappears from menu bar in 11.10
[00:49] <Troy> i tried upgrading the ubuntu alhpa version got tons of errors and now when i do update and all that its like its not updating to the new beta ebcause i got none of the new unity / gnome 3 and i still get constant popping up errors in gnome classic so im not sure whats going on
[00:50] <urlin2u> Troy, gnome 3 has to b installed I believe you using 32 or 64 bit?
[00:50] <urlin2u> be
[00:51] <Troy> 64bit
[00:52] <Troy> im just so confused lol
[00:52] <Troy> i basically broke my ubuntu because it doesnt work properly and tons of errors
[00:54] <urlin2u> Troy, the beta turned on the app I forget the name that has 32 bit capability in a 64 bit, that can be turned on, but to get help you need to be very detailed in errors, and pastebin them, or just install the daily beta.
[00:54] <Troy> instal daily beta how does one do that?
[00:55] <urlin2u> troy should you really be messing with a development?  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[00:55] <urlin2u> just asking
[00:56] <Troy> no not really
[00:56] <Troy> lol i was foolish to upgrade to alpha
[00:56] <Troy> in the first place
[00:57] <urlin2u> Troy, it happens I'm an experienced user and have it installed, but would not even post any problems when I can reinstall or load a clone that was running.
[00:58] <Troy> hehe
[00:59] <urlin2u> Troy, thats just the way roll others go a different route.
[00:59] <urlin2u> I
[00:59] <Troy> yea im thinking of just waiting to full release of 11.10 or giving arch a go.. not really sure
[01:00] <urlin2u> Troy, arch is cool use the install wiki it is pretty easy.
[01:00] <Troy> yea hard to use the install wiki when its the only comp you got :S
[01:01] <Troy> or i would install over ssh
[01:01] <urlin2u> Troy, you can print it, without it you will probably have problems I know I would, even though I have used arch, hard to rember everything for me.
[01:01] <urlin2u> remember
[01:02] <urlin2u> Troy, is it the gnome 3 desktop you want?
[01:02] <Troy> yea
[01:02] <urlin2u> Troy, fedora has it stock in 15
[01:03] <urlin2u> not a bad OS
[01:03] <Troy> yea i dont really need it... im just saying i was curious as to why gnome 3 wasnt installed with the latest beta
[01:05] <Troy> you know hoestly im a prefered gnome2/xfce user.. just wanted to check out gnome 3
[01:06] <urlin2u> Troy, also good DE, not sure abount the dailies, I think gnome 3 is supposed to be in the final release though.
[01:08] <urlin2u> a live cd of fedora will get you gnome 3 or go here to see it in openSuselive cd. http://gnome3.org/tryit.html
[01:09] <urlin2u> worth trying out as a live I think to see if it is what you might like at least it was for me.
[01:09] <syn-ack> Good evening, people. I just did a fresh install of 11.10 and for some reason my Atheros wifi card won't come up. At first I had a "Device Not Managed" notifer so I went into the network manager conf file and changed "Managed=false" to true, restarted nm and now it's saying that the device is not ready. is there a known issue out there regarding this that I've not been able to find?
[01:11] <syn-ack> rfkill isn't showing the device blocked, and I'm able to manipulate it with iwconfig.
[01:12] <syn-ack> The kernel module is loaded and assigned (obviously, otherwise the other methods wouldn't work)
[01:52] <lucious> is gnome-screensaver capturing for you guys?
[02:19] <sianhulo> people, after i installed gnome shell, i haven't been able to use unity 3d
[02:21] <sianhulo> i shall give a log, but need to know what's the name of unity 2d, because if i execute unity --replace, i wont be able to give you the log if i dont change to unity 2d again
[02:44] <Iowaman> Hello
[02:55] <Atharva> hi..Which will be the default ubuntu enviornments in further releases ?
[02:56] <Logan_> Atharva: Unity.
[03:10] <bjsnider> what an odd question
[03:11] <bjsnider> there's a lot of written info about that on the web and has been for quite a while
[03:13] <urlin2u> bjsnider, help I've fallen and I can't browse the web. :D
[03:13] <bjsnider> i guess
[05:15] <bullgard4> Installing the DEB program package »keychain«, why does the Synaptic dialog window "Changes Applied" say: "(keychain is being set up.) You have to configure "localpurge with the command 'dpkg-reconfigure localepurge' to make /usr/sbin/localpurge actually to function. Nothing to be done, exiting..."?
[05:46] <vega-> has there really not been updates for oneiric in the last couple of days or so.. ? or is it just my mirror?
[05:50] <micahg> vega-: might be your mirror, but we're in beta 2 freeze
[06:14] <vega-> quite annoying to work with oneiric when there's a popup every few minutes "sorry the program <insert-all-kinds-of-programs-here> closed unexpectedly"
[06:15] <tjoy> sounds awful
[06:17] <vega-> just worried about what the quality will be at final release..
[06:17] <tjoy> probably pretty bad
[06:17] <tjoy> although
[06:17] <tjoy> it's still a month or so out
[06:17] <tjoy> and you haven't ruled out a hardware issue
[06:18] <vega-> based on past experiences yes.. i've started using every release since alpha-1 or alpha-2 and things have never been this bad
[06:18] <vega-> let's hope it gets better pretty quickly...
[06:19] <vega-> i think the hardware is ok.. and hey, looking at this list seems i'm not alone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/
[06:19] <tjoy> oh yeah
[06:19] <tjoy> when i tried booting to desktop i got a crash right away too
[06:20] <tjoy> good thing my use-case is headless
[06:21] <urlin2u> never seen a bad release, been using ubuntu since dapper
[06:24] <adam_> I have a dwa-130 dlink adapter which worked with ubuntu 11.04 using ndiskgtk windows wireless drivers. Just updated to ubuntu 11.10 does not seem to work. maybe gnome 3 compatibility issues? any help?
[06:24] <urlin2u> adam_, you need to reload drivers on a upgrade
[06:24] <adam_> how do I do that?
[06:24] <urlin2u> adam_, like you did originally I suppose.
[06:25] <adam_> urlin2u, I used ndiswrapper to get it working and now that is not working
[06:27] <urlin2u> adam_, this is not something I have ever had to do this wiki may help though. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[06:27] <adam_> Thanks. I have it installed already I just think that it might not be fully compatible with gnome 3
[06:28] <adam_> Also I am willing to buy a new wifi card for my computer. I want a usb wifi card. Are there any that are specifically plug and play for ubuntu?
[06:30] <syn-ack> You know how many times in the past I've heard "The Quality Has Never Been This Bad In The Past"? by the time it goes final, it'
[06:30] <syn-ack> ll work out fine
[06:31] <syn-ack> I hear it with *every* release. Seriously.
[06:31] <urlin2u> adam_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[07:37] <diverse_izzue> Morning! When updating apt package indexes i get an error message about a bad signature since this morning. Everyone else? Solution?
[07:38] <jpds> diverse_izzue: Being worked on.
[07:43] <diverse_izzue> jpds, great. bug no?
[07:44] <Airon90> Hi you all, I updated yesterday my pc and now it seems that Lightdm is broken because when it loads, a black screen appears and loading led regularly blinks. Did someone encounter the same problem?
[07:52] <jpds> diverse_izzue: Should be now all fixed.
[08:01] <bullgard4> On my Oneiric omputer there are running two sshd processes. Is this normal?
[08:03] <jpds> bullgard4: Two /usr/sbin/sshd processes ?
[08:03] <jpds> It seems to spawn a child SSH process for every loging.
[08:08] <bullgard4> jpds: No. i.) /usr/sbin/sshd -D;  ii.) sshd: <username>@pts/5.
[08:08] <Airon90> Hi you all, I updated yesterday my pc and now it seems that Lightdm is broken because when it loads, a black screen appears and loading led regularly blinks. Did someone encounter the same problem?
[08:08] <jpds> bullgard4: What I said after that, it's spawns a separate user session for the login.
[08:08] <bullgard4> jpds: What do you mean by "it"?
[08:08] <jpds> sshd.
[08:09] <bullgard4> jpds: Is this new in Oneiric? I do not have this behaviour in Ubuntu 10.04.3.
[08:10] <tjoy> :ugh:
[08:10] <tjoy> 'booting system without full network configuration...'
[08:10] <tjoy> thanks, ubuntu, you only wasted 2 minutes of my life waiting for stupid dhcp
[08:11] <jpds> bullgard4: Nope, I have it on an 10.04 system.
[08:11] <tjoy> bullgard4: i've noticed that on about every system i've ever used
[08:13] <bullgard4> jpds: (I am rather new to ssh.) So it must be a matter of my ssh configuration. What could I have configured wrongly in my Ubuntu 10.04.3? So far I have not noticed any malfunction.
[08:14] <jpds> bullgard4: Do you have UsePrivilegeSeparation set to yes in sshd_config ?
[08:24] <bullgard4> jpds: UsePrivilegeSeparation is set to "yes" in both Ubuntu computers.
[08:39] <carli2> hi
[08:39] <carli2> skype does not work under oneiric because of some missing ia32 libs
[08:45] <vibhav> is it true ubuntu+1 has no synaptic?
[08:49] <carli2> vibhav: it is true unless you type "sudo apt-get install synaptic"
[08:49] <vibhav> thanks carli2
[08:50] <mvo> or install it via software-center
[09:08] <jerknextdoor> i updated some stuff and now i can't get the network applet to work or connect to any networks.
[09:15] <psypher246> hi all, sorry i am trying to log a bug but I can't remember the name of the feature that i wantot log the bug with
[09:16] <psypher246> when i press super - e and the desktop zooms out to all desktops, what is that called again?
[09:17] <psypher246> ah expo mode
[09:44] <wrtp> has anyone else experienced problems with missing files in oneiric apt-get installs?
[09:51] <geser> missing files?
[10:07] <wrtp> geser: yes. at least two (non-core) packages have been missing some files when i did apt-get on them. both install fine under natty.
[10:08] <wrtp> (and i think they're pulling from the same repository for both natty and oneiric)
[10:09] <wrtp> one (mainly written in python) was missing a load of __init__.py files
[10:09] <wrtp> the other was missing some executables
[10:09] <wrtp> it's quite possible that it's a problem created by the package maintainer, but i thought i'd ask
[10:14] <geser> might be perhaps due to some changes to the python packaging helpers between natty and oneiric
[10:16] <vega-> libreoffice updates being kept back for others too? last 3-4 days or so..
[10:30] <wrtp> geser: it's entirely possible.
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:11] <bronko> hi
[13:11] <bronko> is there a way to change the default application behavior in oneiric?
[13:14] <carli2> bronko: which application behaviour?
[13:42] <nmvictor> I loaded ubuntu 11.10 daily builds on a USB drive for installation, after selecting "Try Ubuntu" option, the screen goes deem and the fn keys do not work to adjust the brightness, all i see is a very faint installation window and i cant even make for the buttons. I am using Acer Aspire 5734z with Intel graphics card.
[13:47] <nmvictor> zykotick9: MonkeyDust: though i am experiencing the same problem with 11.04, my current installation. I managed to fix the problem with kamal Mostafa's kernel, see bug 568611 , It is claimed the the bug is fixed upstream in Oneric,
[13:48] <nmvictor> I loaded ubuntu 11.10 daily builds on a USB drive for installation, after selecting "Try Ubuntu" option, the screen goes deem and the fn keys do not work to adjust the brightness, all i see is a very faint installation window and i cant even make for the buttons. I am using Acer Aspire 5734z with Intel graphics card.
[13:49] <nmvictor> Anyone help me please
[14:08] <nmvictor> So  many people, and no one to help o even  try. Why dont you all go sleep.
[14:09] <Stanley00> ah, so you are using 11.10?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> nmvictor, make sure your laptop is using the DC converter , looks like your graphics mode is on powwer save of some sort
[14:11] <BluesKaj> nmvictor, plug it in in other words ...your battery is probly low
[14:13] <nmvictor> BluesKaj: Its plugged
[14:14] <nmvictor> BluesKaj: Its always plugged, the fn keys do not work. see bug 568611, ist more or less the same problems
[14:14] <BluesKaj> you're asking for advice in #ubuntu. maybe you should just stay there
[14:14] <BluesKaj> nmvictor, ^
[14:15] <nmvictor> BluesKaj: ok
[14:15] <nmvictor> am here, I had a guy, macer1 helping me last night over their, so I was trying to trace him
[14:16] <BluesKaj> nmvictor, what OS are you on?
[14:16] <nmvictor> Ubuntu 11.04,
[14:16] <nmvictor> Natty Narwhal
[14:22] <nmvictor> are we still on?
[14:23] <nmvictor> BluesKaj:
[14:23] <nmvictor> BluesKaj: ^
[14:23] <BluesKaj> nmvictor, 11.04 support is in #ubuntu
[14:23] <BluesKaj> this for 11.10 support
[14:25] <nmvictor> BluesKaj: I am using 11.04 to chat about my problem which is trying to install  11.10, so they suggested here. So actually the problem  is with the 11.10  version, I am trying a USB install and the screen goes deem. Am I still lost/
[14:26] <BluesKaj> deem =dim ?
[14:26] <nmvictor> BluesKaj: whatever/
[14:27] <BluesKaj> whatever for sure
[14:28] <nmvictor> ok, please just help me. I am trying to install Ubuntu 11.10 and i experienced the problem above. Thats all, forgive my english.
[14:29] <famine> im running fglrx....is there a way to uninstall it and use the open source radeon drivers? (if i uninstall fglrx I get libgl errors whenever I try to open something that uses 3d)
[14:30] <Lynoure> nmvictor: does the same happen with other install methods? If so, at what point of install?
[14:31]  * BluesKaj breathes a sigh of relief
[14:33] <nmvictor> Yea, even with CD install. Its happens right after I select "Try Ubuntu" option, The screen dims to almost 0, viewing the screen from an angle reveals the installation window, but a very faint one. I try adjusting with the fn keys but they are not working.
[14:34] <Lynoure> nmvictor: then sounds like a bug you might want to report, and include the info on the make and model of your computer
[15:17] <Krawnsbie> Best usb wifi adapter for 11.10?
[15:21] <Lynoure> Krawnsbie: the cheap ones that say "Linux" on the packaging :)
[15:22] <Krawnsbie> hahaha I will look into that. With buying online it is all much more unreliable. I might make the hike to go to the nearsest computer store
[15:22] <Krawnsbie> Thanks Lynoure
[15:22] <Lynoure> Krawnsbie: they are very very different ones and I bet no one has done comprehensive comparisons, so go for a vendor that actually believes themselves too that it works for Linux (seen many in the shops here)
[15:23] <Krawnsbie> cool cool I live in the mountains in a college town so computer stores are scarce :(
[15:42] <fossala> How is unity working with the 3d nouveau drivers?
[15:55] <madurax86> i get random hangs on oneric
[15:56] <madurax86> dont get anything in logs(kern.log and syslog) what can i do?
[15:57] <madurax86> as far as i can remember I used <IP_ADDRESS>(natty) without any problem for a long time then even natty hanged after new <IP_ADDRESS> came
[15:58] <madurax86> i have <IP_ADDRESS> installed but it reports a plymouth crash any workaround?
[15:58] <drussell> madurax86: do you know what graphics chipset your machine has? Intel/AMD/nvidia?
[15:58] <drussell> (AMD==ATI)
[15:58] <madurax86> drussell: i have optimus from nvidia
[15:59] <madurax86> intel/nvidia
[16:00] <drussell> madurax86: are you using the nvidia binary drivers or the opensource ones?>
[16:00] <madurax86> drussell: not using it at all i've turned it off and using intel
[16:01] <drussell> madurax86: and it's a hard crash, you can't ssh into the machine from another box?
[16:02] <madurax86> drussell: hard one doesnt respond to alt+b+sysrq
[16:03] <madurax86> if im playing a song or somthing it goes on a loop
[16:03] <drussell> madurax86: have you tried following the points here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash
[16:04] <madurax86> drussell: nope, i;ll try
[16:05] <drussell> madurax86: good luck!
[16:05] <madurax86> drussell: from what i see this is a kernel crash
[16:06] <madurax86> drussell: will those alt+sysrq+l and alt+sysrq+t work at all? b didnt
[16:07] <drussell> madurax86: possibly, the other thing is don't rule out some other problem, as it suggests, run a full memory check also
[16:08] <madurax86> drussell: yes i already had a cpu manufacture fault on this! thanks for your help
[16:08] <drussell> madurax86: yvw
[16:09] <dud> how to use gnome-shell?
[16:13] <madurax86> dud: sudo apt-get install gnome-shell, then select from login
[16:22] <dud> how to select gnome-shell from unity w/o login?
[16:26] <dud> like a login setup?
[16:31] <dud> how to kill unity to get back into the login screen because the buttons disappeared
[16:32] <dud> ctrl-alt backspace doesnt work
[16:33] <bullgard4> [GNOME 3] The cursor has taken the form of a Traffic sign "NO ENTRY". I can move it but clicking has no effect. What process do I have to kill so that clicking on a window button will again have some effect?
[16:34] <AndChat|> Why use ubuntu when debian actually works? Why
[16:35] <bullgard4> AndChat|: Don't troll.
[16:35] <AndChat|> Just asking?
[16:35] <AndChat|> Real answers please?
[16:36] <AndChat|> Mcop
[16:38] <AndChat|> Anyone can answer?
[16:39] <AndChat|> Just curious
[16:39] <AndChat|> Guess not lol
[16:39] <AndChat|> Take care friends :)
[16:40] <drussell> what a delightful chap
[16:48] <bjsnider> he doesn't have to use anything. as if he's being coerced into using ubuntu
[17:03] <dud> amen
[17:03] <dud> i need some happy little trees
[17:03] <dud> why my window looks like windows 3.1 on gnome shell=
[17:20] <falstaff> hello, when i do a apt-get upgrade the command says he has to hold back some libreoffice packakges, is this normal?
[17:22] <patdk-wk> sure, that is what dist-upgrade is for
[17:22] <patdk-wk> they are held back, cause they require new things to be installed
[17:22] <bjsnider> falstaff, that may mean packages have to be removed to make the upgrade happen
[17:22] <patdk-wk> or removed :)
[17:23] <patdk-wk> something besides an update
[17:23] <falstaff> dist-upgrade tells me the same...
[17:23] <patdk-wk> have something installed it doesn't like maybe
[17:24] <falstaff> When I try to use aptitude, it wants to remove 125 packages...!
[17:26] <bjsnider> pastebin the whole aptitude output
[17:27] <jbicha> falstaff: I'd just wait a few hours to see if it clears up
[17:29] <bullgard4> falstaff: I support jbicha's advice.
[17:29] <falstaff> http://paste.ubuntu.com/693909/
[17:30] <falstaff> bullgard4, jbicha, well, I already had several times the problem that aptitude wants to remove a lot of packages..
[17:31] <bullgard4> falstaff: You have been told what the reasons might be. --  If you want a more exact answer, do what <bjsnider> asked you to do.
[17:32] <falstaff> bjsnider, bullgard4, yep, pastebin is here http://paste.ubuntu.com/693909/
[17:47] <falstaff> hmm, it looks like my mirror of choice has some problems... There is a newer package of libreoffice-common available on the ubuntu servers
[17:48] <jakemp> X asploded =/
[17:52] <bjsnider> falstaff, this problem is because libreoffice-common has not been updated on your mirror to the newest version, it will be cleared up in awhile
[17:52] <bjsnider> or you can switch to main
[18:00] <synackfin> can I upgrade from oneiric nightly build to oneiric-stable once it's released?
[18:01] <charlie-tca> yes
[18:02] <charlie-tca> actually, you simply maintain the updates, and you have the same system as 11.10 when it releases
[18:02] <Pici> !final
[18:02] <synackfin> ah, cool
[18:08] <edgy> Hi, I downloaded oneiric kubuntu and trying to install. It didn't ask me to partition the disk or choose free space but it just goes forever, I rebooted and there is nothing!
[18:45] <gnomefreak> 3 questions  1. do the fglrx drivers work? 2.  3. How do i get the applications icon back in the launcher?
[18:46] <Ian_Corne> 1. not to my knowledge 2. not to my knowledge (except different timings, but not "never" 3. apt-get install gnome-icons or something
[18:47] <bjsnider> 1. no, 2. i'd like to know myself, 3. what launcher?
[18:47] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: the one in unity
[18:47] <bjsnider> oh, unity
[18:47] <gnomefreak> yep
[18:47] <gnomefreak> shit if they dont work its a good thing i havent rebooted
[18:47] <bjsnider> i'm an evil devotee of gnome-shell myself
[18:48] <bjsnider> well, they work in the sense that they make a picture
[18:48] <IAmNotThatGuy> lol nice answers Ian_Corne and bjsnider
[18:51] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, i think you can safely reboot, but don't expect high performance
[18:51] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: i just disabled them im going to try and reboot now.
[18:52] <Ian_Corne> gnomefreak: $ sudo apt-get install gnome-icon-theme-full
[18:53] <ironhalik> hello
[18:53] <ironhalik> quick question
[18:53] <ironhalik> will my laptop melt od explode if I try to upgrade 11.04 to 11.10? :>
[18:54] <bjsnider> i think that's highly unlikely
[18:54] <ruffleS> hi. has anyone had any luck making a liveUSB out of oneiric's .iso file (x86) ?
[18:54] <ironhalik> ok, so it prolly wont melt or explode - but will it boot? :P
[18:55] <bjsnider> it will probably boot
[18:55] <ironhalik> ruffleS: yeah, it worked for me
[18:55] <ruffleS> ironhalik: how did you do it?
[18:55] <ant30> have any body got problems with aptitude search status results ?
[18:56] <ironhalik> dont remember, with iniversal usb installer on windows IIRC
[18:56] <ant30> I get "p" on installed packages, and if I try to install it with aptitude/apt-get its told me already installed
[18:56] <ruffleS> universal usb installer? ok i will give it a try when i get home. thanks
[18:57] <ironhalik> ruffleS: I did it the same as with 11.04, used the newer syslinux (ubuntu 11.04 in the menu) and it worked
[18:58] <ruffleS> ironhalik: i've been trying to make an oneiric liveUSB for almost 3 months now and i can't get it to boot
[18:59] <ruffleS> i'm using unetbootin but i also used ubuntu's own liveusb creator from a virtualbox setup
[18:59] <ironhalik> it may be an individual case
[19:00] <ironhalik> I usually use universal usb installer, or the built in ubuntus one
[19:00] <ironhalik> if it would not work, I prolly would try manual syslinux 4+ and dd tool
[19:02] <ironhalik> ok guys, wish me luck, I punched the upgrade button in update-manager -d
[19:03] <gnomefreak> d to work
[19:03] <gnomefreak> damn
[19:03] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: how do i get the default ati drivers to work?
[19:04] <mvo> ironhalik: there is a issue that cups may hang during the upgrade, sudo stop cups will fix it if its hanging
[19:04] <gnomefreak> fglrx disabled and policy shows they are gone. im in update-alternatives and i not getting a choice
[19:04] <mvo> ironhalik: or wait a day or so until the fix hits the archive
[19:04] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, you mean xf86-video-ati, the open source driver?
[19:04] <ironhalik> mvo: thanks, ill keep that in mind
[19:05] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: if that is the default ones yes
[19:05]  * gnomefreak not sure if default is xserver-xorg-ati
[19:05] <ironhalik> btw, anyone noticed a slowdown for unity on intel's IGPs?
[19:05] <bjsnider> if you removed fglrx, and deleted your xorg.conf file then it should be there after a reboot
[19:05] <ironhalik> on 11.10?
[19:05] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: thanks
[19:06] <FernandoMiguel> hi
[19:06] <bjsnider> the glx alternatives are returned to mesa after removing fglrx and the xorg.conf file forces the kernel to load whatever driver is listed there
[19:07] <Ian_Corne> bjsnider: not if you remove with apt
[19:07] <Ian_Corne> only with jockey
[19:07] <Ian_Corne> there's glx libs missing
[19:07] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: where did xorg.conf move to :( its not in /etc/X11
[19:07] <bjsnider> then it doesn't exist
[19:08] <gnomefreak> any idea on what could have replaced it :(
[19:09] <bjsnider> nothing replaces it
[19:09] <bjsnider> either it exists or the kernel makes the default choice
[19:12] <gnomefreak> well than im screwed badly i have no working graphics. i can loginto unity 2d but it doesnt have anything in it just my background
[19:12] <gnomefreak> i tried installing *-ati and *-radeon
[19:17] <gnomefreak> what if i reinstalled them and removed them with apt this time?
[19:18] <bjsnider> you installled them and rebooted?
[19:19] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: installed them with jockey. did not reboot. removed them with jockey than rebooted
[19:19] <bjsnider> if you don't reboot then you haven't actually conducted a test
[19:21] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, do me a favour and ping me again. i'm testing notifications
[19:25] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: ok
[19:26] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, try it again in 5 seconds please
[19:26] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: ok?
[20:31] <piero> Hi! After I type my password in lightdm the screen blinks and ask me for the password again, and again.. It's different when I type the wrong password, when its doesn't blink and show: invalid password. Where can I begin to solve this problem?
[20:32] <Ian_Corne> try loading another session
[20:32] <Ian_Corne> like unity 2d
[20:32] <Ian_Corne> or gnome-shell
[20:32] <piero> I did, it falls in the same problem
[20:32] <piero> nothing changes
[20:32] <Ian_Corne> hmm, login from tty and check .xsession errors
[20:33] <Ian_Corne> and lightdm logs
[20:34] <piero> fglrx driver doesn't find my card. How can I force VESA?
[20:34] <bullgard4> When plugging in a USB hard drive, Nautilus recognizes the label of a partition. When clicking on this label, Nautilus opens a message window: "Unable to mount <partion_label>. Not Authorized. OK". About 20 days ago I could mount this partition without any problems. How to fix this problem?
[20:37] <piero> but how can the display manager start correctly if X crashes when starting my device driver??
[20:38]  * Ian_Corne doesn't know
[20:38] <Ian_Corne> :p
[20:44] <piero> how can I manually start unity after a xinit ?
[20:44] <piero> Ian_Corne, the system are going to kill me: if I select guest session, it starts perfectly!
[20:45] <Ian_Corne> :D
[20:45] <piero> so it's not a video problem, right?
[20:45] <Ian_Corne> unity --reset
[20:45] <Ian_Corne> might help
[20:45] <Ian_Corne> probably not then, no
[20:45] <ironhalik> hmm, cool - 11.10 upgrade failed before it started, at least I can boot back to OS :>
[20:46] <Ian_Corne> :D
[20:46] <piero> something is wrong.. when I login my home directory isn't there.. the encrypted data was not recovered.. these "Access-your-private-data.desktop" files are in the place
[20:46] <Ian_Corne> oho
[20:47] <piero> so if I try ecryptfs-mount-private it crashes: error while loading shared livraries: libnss3.so
[20:47] <Ian_Corne> aha
[20:47] <Ian_Corne> try to reinstall that
[20:48] <piero> already tried.. not works
[20:49] <Ian_Corne> check bug reports
[20:49] <Ian_Corne> on ecruptfs thingy
[20:49] <Ian_Corne> i have no experience yet
[20:50] <piero> ok
[21:01] <bau_> hi all, is there a program to burn files via shell?
[21:01] <rww> bau_: to CD, you mean?
[21:02] <bau_> rww, yes
[21:02] <rww> !info wodim | bau_
[21:02] <rww> (you may already have it installed, in fact)
[21:02] <bau_> rww, thank you very much
[22:36] <piero> Hi! I can't mount my private directory due to an error in ecryptfs-mount-private: ecryptfs-insert-wrapped-passphrase-into-keyring: error while loading shared libraries: libnss3.so: cannot open shared object file: No suck file or directory
[22:37] <piero> this problem started after a dist-upgraded my beta1 (installed beta1 and upgraded)
[22:44] <BluesKaj> looks like i'm going to settle for an M-Audio Audiophile 192 sound card . an upgrade to the 2496 and it's on for the right price in several locations  linux support looks good with the Mudita24 Alsa GUI tool and the madfuload firmware loader..going to check this out further before I drop this kind of coin on a soundcard
[22:52] <piero> how can I tell apt to reinstall all the packets I have already installed? re-downloading from the repositories?
[23:57] <adam_> Hi I Have my os on 31 gigs and a 250 gig partition free. How can I extend that without booting from cd?
[23:59] <billybigrigger> not possible