[00:37] <MYMEME> HAIL
[00:38] <LjL-Calvino> hej
[00:38] <MYMEME> are you going to shoot me?
[00:38] <LjL-Calvino> that seems unlikely, because of many distinct reasons
[00:39] <chu> Nah man, but seriously, you were warned and just kept repeating yourself. No one *likes* having to use their "powers" but it's necessary when the users just want to be a pain.
[00:39]  * MYMEME loves the colloquial tone
[00:39] <jbroome> bullets don't work over tcp/ip, yet
[00:39] <LjL-Calvino> yes that's one reason
[00:40] <LjL-Calvino> chu: i like to use my "powers", but only when with the right company
[00:40] <chu> ;)
[00:41] <bazhang> is emacs involved?
[00:41] <LjL-Calvino> that's like my kryptonite
[00:41] <MYMEME> seem iv made it upstream now im on ops social channel
[00:41] <bazhang> thank god
[00:41] <LjL-Calvino> MYMEME: so like
[00:41] <chu> MYMEME: This isn't the social channel.
[00:41] <LjL-Calvino> chu: wait, it isn't?
[00:41]  * LjL-Calvino looks at the map again
[00:41] <LjL-Calvino> chu: told you we needed a GPS!
[00:41] <chu> What's the other hidden one for then?!
[00:42] <LjL-Calvino> chu: i never knew
[00:42] <LjL-Calvino> MYMEME: so anyway
[00:42] <jbroome> MYMEME: did you have a support issue that's #ubuntu related?
[00:42] <LjL-Calvino> flooding with ascii art = trolly, but maybe-i-will-see-if-he's-fun
[00:43] <LjL-Calvino> repeatedly likening people to serial killers = trolly, and i will ban you with some amount of pleasure
[00:43] <LjL-Calvino> get the difference?
[00:43] <LjL-Calvino> jbroome: what now
[00:43] <MYMEME> your going to break the toy
[00:43] <MYMEME> if you keep kicking it
[00:43] <LjL-Calvino> true
[00:43] <LjL-Calvino> that's why this time i just decided to lock the toy out of the child's reach!
[00:44] <LjL-Calvino> me being both the guardian and the child
[00:44] <chu> I'd say it's not worth it. he's just gonna be a pain.
[00:44] <LjL-Calvino> chu: that's what people said about hfsplus!
[00:44] <LjL-Calvino> and look now... oh, wait
[00:45] <MYMEME> self censure will help you see god
[00:45] <LjL-Calvino> censorship*, i believe
[00:45] <LjL-Calvino> but maybe censure means something else
[00:46] <MYMEME> yes your lordship
[00:46] <LjL-Calvino> also wait, that's very much hfsplus-like... hmmmm, HMMMMMM
[00:46] <chu> Don't think English as a first-language; he's Portuguese.
[00:46] <LjL-Calvino> well, several people here don't have English as a first language, as they're American, so that's okay
[00:47] <MYMEME> im just an uneducated peasant looking for enlightment
[00:47] <MYMEME> SIR
[00:47] <chu> I don't think anything constructive will come of this, you know my feelings, I'll leave it to you LjL.
[00:47] <LjL-Calvino> constructivism is overrated
[00:49] <LjL-Calvino> mymeme, what if you just go back to #freenode, wait for the mute to be lifted by timer, and troll some more? honestly it should be easier than getting me to remember the command to even op myself up again
[00:50] <MYMEME> oh the command line is wicked mistress
[00:50] <MYMEME> a*
[00:50] <LjL-Calvino> yes; true
[00:51] <MYMEME> why im i sounding like Oliver twist?
[00:51] <LjL-Calvino> maybe you wanted to give your trolling a twist
[00:52] <MYMEME> not the kane i beg of you sir
[00:52] <LjL-Calvino> MYMEME: seriously though, i gave you a fair amount of chances to be a "funny troll" in #ubuntu-offtopic, but eh, it didn't work. the ban won't be removed very soon, so when the wind is right, sail off this channel to better shores
[00:53] <MYMEME> like clockwork
[00:54] <MYMEME> i will join ASAP
[00:57] <MYMEME> im sorry i couldn't be more of an amusement
[00:57] <MYMEME> ill use this time to apply me self to it
[00:58] <LjL-Calvino> MYMEME: there's some real chances i'll be a banned outcast next time you drop by, so maybe the roles will switch!
 chu: i think i told you that i'd rather be the wall
[01:36] <rww> everybody wants to be me
[01:36] <chu> The boss
[12:50] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu ned channel ads
[17:42] <bazhang> I joined #rhel , he's still not there
[17:43] <bazhang> they mostly just exchange imgur links it seems
[17:43] <Pici> sadtux?
[17:43] <genii> Do you need to be authed or registered of Freenode to join?
[17:43] <bazhang> yep
[17:44] <bazhang> +r
[17:44] <genii> Could be that's his/her issue
[17:44] <bazhang> although someone in #ubuntu already gave him the exact info
[17:44] <Pici> We probably should at least give them !register then
[21:46] <petergriffinre> hi ljl
[21:49] <LjL-Calvino> hi
[21:49] <LjL-Calvino> which one are you?
[21:50] <LjL-Calvino> tell me you're hfsplus, you're basically the only one i like these days :(
[21:53] <petergriffinre> yes
[21:53] <LjL-Calvino> cool
[21:53] <LjL-Calvino> how are you?
[21:54] <LjL-Calvino> i drove back in some really scary rain earlier
[21:55] <LjL-Calvino> got ALL the weather today. first rain, then rainbow, then thunderstorm, then hail
[21:56] <Corey> Could we maybe keep this topical, please?
[21:56] <JohnCalvin> I am considering being a calvinist
[21:57] <Corey> trijntje: Did you need help with something?
[21:57] <Pici> Is there a channel issue we can help you with?
[21:57] <JohnCalvin> me?
[21:57] <JohnCalvin> Im just talkin wit me homey ljl
[21:57] <Pici> yes.
[21:57] <Pici> Then you can do so in private.
[21:57] <Corey> JohnCalvin: Please do so elsewhere.
[21:58] <LjL-Calvino> Corey: i'm pretty sure that will almost certainly help with the frequency of his actively trolling "real" channels decreasing
[21:59] <Corey> LjL-Calvino: I didn't realize we were unilaterally authorized to change this channel's policy.
[21:59] <LjL-Calvino> oh god
[22:00] <LjL-Calvino> say the word "policy" again please
[22:00] <Corey> LjL-Calvino: Perhaps it's time you took a break?
[22:00] <Pici> LjL-Calvino: can you please join us in #ubuntu-irc-council ?
[22:13] <LjL> Corey, our overarching "policy", maybe the only one that can actually be called such, is the CoC (as many people have loved to remind me lately, though maybe without giving much thought to its interpretation).
[22:13] <LjL> What we have in our channels are "guidelines" and, at best, habits, and things like what channel topics say don't even necessarily qualify as either.
[22:13] <LjL> In particular, this channel has had "offtopic" conversations since it started existing, and while ops have sometimes asked each other to take them elsewhere, it was only rarely perceived as a big deal.
[22:13] <LjL> Now, lately my particular personal "policy" with this particular troll (HFSPlus, or pick the name you like) has been to be friendly and humorous.
[22:13] <LjL> That is a policy that seems to have worked to some extent, as people who have followed the "case" probably can confirm.
[22:13] <LjL> The very first bullet point in the CoC is "Be considerate". While I recognize that will sound ironic for me to point out given recent events, MY very point is that, by sticking to "policies", "processes" and bureaucracies (more often than not, made-up or inconsistent one), "our team" has now been FAR from considerate in many ways.
[22:14] <LjL> I felt I was considerate by using my *common sense* (which I've insisted on for a long time now, but have seen little more than lip service to it, and am now tired of even applying towards the team itself) to pick the seemingly most appropriate way to minimize the disruptions caused by this troll, *and attempt to catalyze* at the same time (as freenode "policy" asks, though that's only interpreted in a very literal way too).
[22:14] <LjL> Manhandling people is not catalyzing - nor considerate.
[22:18] <Pricey> WTH is going on?
[22:19] <IdleOne> right now, nothing. Everybody please relax.
[22:20] <Pricey> IdleOne: Happy to relax but come on ;)
[22:21] <Pici> The situation is being discussed elsewhere, lets all take a breath and relax for a few.
[22:21] <IdleOne> Pricey: yup. Please just let us all leave it at that for now.
[22:23] <LjL> Pricey: i think you can take the above at face value anyway, unless i'm even crazier than people lead me to believe, i thought it sounded like a considerate explanation of how i feel about some of the team's customs
[22:24] <IdleOne> I would really appreciate (and for the 3rd time) let us all drop this in here for now. Thank you.
[22:24] <Pricey> LjL: I thought I'd kept track of the general idea of what was happenning... but the last 30 minutes... I cannot understand.
[22:26] <LjL> Uhm, I would appreciate not being told which op matters I can or cannot discuss with other ops, at least while I'm an op, in the ops channel, especially if they are not clear on what's happening. Surely this place is meant to be transparent, and Pricey and I haven't exchanged anything controversial, inappropriate or private?
[22:27] <IdleOne> I am just trying to avoid anything negative from occurring at this time and would like you and the IRCC to focus on the council channel


[02:45] <Drecondius> I'm trying to install the 20.04 server on a lenovo edge 2. Is it possible to use an oem installation from one of the desktop versions to install server on it so I have wifi?
[02:46] <Drecondius> it's not detecting the wifi adapter and I don't know how to pull the info up without loading a desktop version
[06:53] <Chr15P_1968> Good day. Im struggling to password protect Grub menus only on 20.04. All attempts so far require you to enter the grub password when rebooting, I just need the menus to be password protected. Can someone point me to a guide that can help achieve this please.
[06:55] <Hamidreza> Hi guys, I was using ubuntu 16 and now I'm using ubuntu 20 , on ubuntu 16 I have some kernel tuning parameters in sysctl.conf, How can I check them and correct them for ubuntu20 and new kernel version?
[06:55] <monaco> Chr15P_1968: https://vineetcic.medium.com/how-to-set-grub-password-in-ubuntu-18-03-password-protect-boot-loader-ecb5db184054
[06:57] <Chr15P_1968> Awesome, thanx @monaco. Will give it a bash.
[07:23] <Hamidreza> I would appreciate if someone help me: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cjdT5RNzN5/
[07:48] <Hamidreza> is there anybody to help me?
[07:50] <Chr15P_1968> 20.04 doesnt have the file /boot/grub/menu.lst. Looks like the guide in the link will also require you to enter your password when you boot the VM. I just need to protect the grub menu entries, ie when you want to edit the menu entry a password will be required.
[07:52] <utkarsh2102> Hamidreza: wdym? you can't find the parameters in /etc/sysctl.conf?
[07:52] <utkarsh2102> or just that file? :)
[07:55] <Hamidreza> utkarsh2102, Is there any refrence for this file?
[07:56] <utkarsh2102> Hamidreza: there's a man page
[07:56] <Hamidreza> utkarsh2102, it doesnt have all parameters
[07:57] <Hamidreza> ex: I want to know this parameter "vm.zone_reclaim_mode" works on ubuntu 20 r not?
[07:57] <Hamidreza> and which varibale I can set for new kernel version
[07:59] <utkarsh2102> hm, try using -a/--all flag?
[08:00] <utkarsh2102> -a/--all: Display all values currently available.
[08:28] <Hamidreza> utkarsh2102, Yes
[08:29] <Hamidreza> but it doesnt show all
[08:51] <utkarsh2102> huh, weird. OK, I'll TAL once I'm on system again.
[08:52] <utkarsh2102> well, I'll mostly google up, which I'm guessing you'd have done?
[10:58] <Chr15P_1968> Hamidreza  sudo cat /proc/sys/vm/zone_reclaim_mode
[10:58] <Chr15P_1968> mine is set to 0 after a fresh install
[15:28] <swcdx> Hello, I will be organizing files and folders in ubuntu server. Is there a terminal program for windows or ubuntu desktop that let’s me use GUI interface to move/copy/paste files around? I am trying to save myself the amounts of typing I will have to do in the CLI. Any other suggestions or programs is appreciated. TIA
[15:29] <Skyrider> Is it possible that systemd can "read" part of the console logs and restart when it detects a specific part of text?
[15:29] <rbasak> swcdx: mc?
[15:30] <swcdx> rbasak: I don't understand your reply
[15:30] <rbasak> swcdx: sorry. Try the package called "mc"
[15:30] <rbasak> http://www.midnight-commander.org
[15:30] <teward> Skyrider: I don't think SystemD has the functionality to actively parse logs and restart on a specific text item
[15:31] <Skyrider> Any idea what might have that function?
[15:31] <rbasak> I think most people would write a script to achieve that. It seems like a really ugly hack though.
[15:31] <rbasak> https://xyproblem.info/
[15:32] <Skyrider> Ya, I know..  but if a discord bot is shutting down because of "Shard ID 0 heartbeat blocked for more than", its refusing to restart as it's still online
[15:37] <swcdx> thanks rbasak, I will check it out.
[15:40] <rbasak> Skyrider: so adjust the bot to either crash on that message, or add a watchdog function and use systemd's watchdog facility?
[15:42] <teward> Skyrider: either write a management script for it, or alter the code of the bot and such
[15:42] <teward> rbasak: systemd watchdog might not work, because bots are still 'online' from a process perspective
[15:42] <teward> but dead to Discord
[15:42] <teward> had the same issue testing a few Discord bot frameworks
[15:43] <teward> Skyrider: both options are "Bad", unless the bot can trigger its own restart mechanism on such disconnects you're pretty out of options there unless you manually restart the bot as you seem to be doing
[15:44] <teward> the *GOOD* discord bots and frameworks will attempt to autoreconnect, or just die after failing to connect a certain number of times
[16:12] <swcdx> rbasak: Thank you, you are saving me a lot of typing my friend. WiSh ther was somehting easier but better than typing. I will work with it to figure it out.
[17:12] <leftyfb> Skyrider: you could probably accomplish that with fail2ban
[17:41] <Skyrider> leftyfb... fail2ban? how O_o
[17:42] <leftyfb> Skyrider: create a filter to read the log and look for the string you want, then create an action to restart whatever you want
[17:43] <leftyfb> I know fail2ban isn't meant to do this, but it's basically just a service to read a log, look for a thing and do a thing when you find a pattern in said log
[17:44] <Skyrider> That's pretty smart :o
[17:45] <leftyfb> there's also something as simple as https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/12077
[17:46] <leftyfb> also https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/12137
[19:53] <Skyrider> leftyfb: Thanks for the suggestion. I ended up using a sh script with regex.
[19:54] <Skyrider> Monitors the systemctl logs and acts on a specific textl ine.


[00:18] <bluesabre> Unit193: do we want apt-offline 1.6?
[00:39] <bluesabre> ochosi: saw and packaged your latest greybird addition for daily, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/xubuntu-artwork/shimmer-themes-debian/revision/6
[00:39] <knome> qa processes are up @ wiki
[00:42] <bluesabre> nice knome
[00:45] <knome> yep, getting things done lately
[00:52] <bluesabre> ochosi: got a potentially new one for you, http://imgur.com/CfaquBf
[01:49] <knome> pleia2, updated the assets branch (https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/static-assets), ping me when you've pushed to production
[01:58] <Unit193> Could use git! :D
[01:58] <knome> everything else is under that project, makes no sense to diverge.
[01:58] <knome> (i know you're kidding)
[02:00] <Unit193> I was going to trollingly say that, but that was in the middle of the meeting.
[02:08] <knome> well done ;)
[08:50] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, noticed the bluetooth icon messup. after a theme-switch back and forth it fixed itself though and i don't think there are actually icons missing/wrong
[08:50]  * ochosi reads up on backlog
[09:26] <brainwash> ochosi: b3nmore has added additional test results and feedback. do you follow the "power manager ignores lid close settings" report?
[09:27] <ochosi> brainwash: i do, but as i said, i have too many other things on my agenda atm
[09:30] <brainwash> ochosi: I understand. I just want to make sure that you or bluesabre take a look at the recent test results and maybe add some comment (if you notice something odd).
[09:31] <brainwash> it feels like we are getting somewhere
[09:36] <brainwash> now that makes me wonder, how do other (logind based) distros manage to avoid this problem..
[09:41] <ochosi> less options usually
[09:41] <ochosi> and less modularity
[10:03] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, meh, i might have to fix something there with the bluetooth icon
[10:05] <slickymasterWork> hey ochosi, morning
[10:06] <ochosi> hi slickymasterWork
[10:06] <slickymasterWork> ochosi I noticed that isn't updated for a while. Is there someone in charge of that or can any of us in the team do it?
[10:06] <slickymasterWork> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive ^^
[10:06] <slickymasterWork> :P
[10:06] <slickymasterWork> last addition to it was from 2014-12-11 meeting
[10:07] <ochosi> i presume that it has to be manually updated if it isn't up-to-date
[10:07] <ochosi> but i'm not sure
[10:08] <ochosi> maybe it just needs some switch flipped for 2015
[10:08] <ochosi> knome: ^
[10:08] <ochosi> gah, the wiki is so slooooow
[10:09] <slickymasterWork> ok, let's wait to see knome input on it
[10:09] <ochosi> if the wiki ever saves the page, i've added 2015 into the mix
[10:09] <slickymasterWork> wiki -> business as usual ochosi :P
[10:09] <ochosi> knome: nvm that
[10:10] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: ok done
[10:10] <slickymasterWork> yeah, noticed :)
[10:40] <ochosi> bluesabre: i recently added a second notification theme to greybird, would be great if we could package that so it gets installed in the right place (i.e. /usr/share/themes/Greybird-bright/): https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tree/master/xfce-notify-4.0_bright
[10:54] <knome> ;)
[11:02] <ochosi> lunchtime, bbiab
[11:29] <bluesabre> ochosi: way ahead of you....
[11:29] <bluesabre> [19:39:20] <bluesabre> ochosi: saw and packaged your latest greybird addition for daily, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/xubuntu-artwork/shimmer-themes-debian/revision/6
[11:42] <ochosi> wooot
[11:42] <ochosi> nice work bluesabre :)
[11:42] <ochosi> note to self: actually check the links bluesabre posts
[11:42] <bluesabre> :D
[11:43] <bluesabre> note to self: stop dropping ochosi links for huge money transfers
[11:43] <ochosi> hehe
[11:45] <ochosi> still have to find the proper fix for the bluetooth mess
[11:45] <ochosi> why oh why does blueman have to use the same icon name for tray and settings-app...
[11:47] <ochosi> would be nice to port xfce4-notifyd to gtk3 btw, that would make many things (e.g. monochrome icons) a lot easier to use
[12:04] <brainwash> ochosi: the MATE team has some problems with xdg-utils too https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754219
[12:04] <brainwash> you have said that someone will package a newer release or git snapshot, right?
[12:05] <ochosi> for debian you mean?
[12:05] <brainwash> ubuntu mainly
[12:06] <ochosi> my original plan was to get a patched version with light-locker support into ubuntu and submit a patch upstream
[12:06] <brainwash> currently no one cares about this package in ubuntu or debian
[12:06] <ochosi> yeah
[12:15] <ochosi> hmpf, really don't know what to do about that blueman icon...
[12:20] <ochosi> bluesabre: hmmm, i wonder whether we can use this somehow: https://github.com/blueman-project/blueman/commit/9733f33a4d590d1c676b80dec37487fed077b060
[12:38] <bluesabre> ochosi: is anybody maintaining notifyd?  I was wanting to put some fixes in for that anyway :)
[12:38] <ochosi> i don't think there's an active maintainer atm
[12:39] <ochosi> jeromeg has been away for quite a few years already
[12:39] <ochosi> but you can ask gaston, i think they were in touch because of screenshooter
[12:39] <bluesabre> ok
[12:39] <ochosi> will you be around this weekend?
[12:40] <ochosi> (i'd like to take a look at the state of the greeter with you, if you have time)
[12:40] <ochosi> ali1234 reported that master doesn't build and we seem to be having a problem with the root pixmap again
[12:40] <ochosi> also, all those branches...
[12:41] <bluesabre> ideally, yes I'll be around
[12:42] <knome> discussion on #xubuntu reminds me we probably should look at updating our "keeping safe" section of the docs
[12:44] <slickymasterWork> you mean the discussion about virus and dualboot knome?
[12:44] <brainwash> ochosi: the root pixmap issue seems to be resolved in the daily ppa (I could not reproduce it anymore). the current package in vivid just seems to be really outdated
[12:44] <knome> slickymasterWork, yes
[12:44] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, well we can keep in touch and see whether we can maybe reserve a specific time that fits both our schedules
[12:45] <knome> since sidi is a "security expert" and whined about that, maybe he can give constructive feedback on that
[12:45] <ochosi> +1
[12:45] <slickymasterWork> you're thinking on adding something about file sharing within the two SOs?
[12:46] <sidi> was my name mentioned?
[12:46] <slickymasterWork> just vaguely sidi
[12:46] <ochosi> sidi: work work work
[12:46] <sidi> ochosi, brilliant idea.
[12:47] <knome> slickymasterWork, i meant updating the documentation :)
[12:47] <knome> sidi, ^
[12:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: sounds good
[12:48] <ochosi> brainwash: btw, your patch for xdg-screensaver seems to work, i guess we should try to get that pushed to ubuntu
[12:49] <bluesabre> ochosi, brainwash: link?
[12:50] <ochosi> bluesabre: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1363540
[12:50] <bluesabre> we can toss that into -staging while waiting
[12:50] <ochosi> yeah
[12:50] <ochosi> i think that's a pretty good idea
[12:50] <knome> isn't that what -staging is about :)
[12:51] <ochosi> so yeah, just tested again, without the patch :(. with the patch :)
[12:51] <ochosi> knome: yeah, i just hadnt really had time to test the patch, is all
[12:51] <knome> ...isn't that what -staging is about :)
[12:51] <ochosi> and i originally wanted to pursue a different solution
[12:51] <ochosi> which i still might do, but the patch is valuable either way
[12:52] <brainwash> it's just a shell script and I've attached the patched version to the report already, so it can be easily tested
[12:53] <bluesabre> yup, I'll diff that and check it out :)
[12:53] <ochosi> i think the patch is in the upstream report
[12:53] <ochosi> so no need to diff
[12:53] <brainwash> it's git version + patch
[12:53] <ochosi> right
[12:54] <ochosi> well apart from the silly code duplication in ubuntu not much has changed upstream i think
[12:54] <brainwash> if someone packages the new git version, he could drop many of the debian patches
[12:55] <ochosi> Unit193: wanna push newer xdg-utils to debian? (or at least get in touch with someone about that)
[12:55] <ochosi> debian-liaison ftw :)
[12:56] <bluesabre> :D
[12:56] <brainwash> the MATE team would benefit also
[12:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: i've submitted a bugreport about the blueman icon upstream, i only have a dirty dirty workaround and it doesn't give us the monochrome icon i think
[12:59] <bluesabre> time to patch blueman into oblivion
[13:01] <ochosi> anyway, i'll meanwhile push my patch
[13:01] <ochosi> on second thought it's working better than i feared
[13:04] <ochosi> bluesabre: lemme know whether that problem doesn't go away after the most recent patch for e-xfce
[13:10] <bluesabre> k
[13:10] <bluesabre> heading out, bbl
[13:25] <knome> why did we want to drop l-l-s from the seed again?
[13:26] <ochosi> because those settings now live in xfpm-settings
[13:26] <knome> fair enough
[13:26] <ochosi> there's a "security" tab now
[13:26] <knome> yep
[13:27] <knome> i was just wondering as i saw that since i obviously didn't register that well enough before
[13:31] <knome> i'm off, let's see if i'm back for the CC checkup
[13:31] <knome> tara
[13:34] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: btw, that change ^ (l-l-s being replaced by a tab in xfpm-settings) should probably reflected in the 15.04 docs...
[14:02] <ochosi> bbl
[14:48] <brainwash> bluesabre: is it worth to apply the workaround for https://github.com/chjj/compton/issues/189 to the xubuntu compton config?
[14:51] <brainwash> bluesabre: shadow-exclude = [ "_GTK_FRAME_EXTENTS@:c" ];
[15:23] <slickymasterWork> in our current documentation there are no references anywhere  to the light locker settings ochosi
[15:24] <slickymasterWork> there's just one small sub-section about screen locking -> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/guide-keeping-safe.html#lock-your-screen
[15:25] <slickymasterWork> an it falls within the Keeping your computer safe chapter
[15:38] <slickymasterWork> knome, re what you said earlier about updating the "Keeping your computer safe" do you want to wait from some pointers from sidi or are you willing to try sketch something this weekend?
[16:15] <sidi> knome, ping me this weekend wrt that
[16:18] <slickymasterWork> thanks sidi :)
[16:19] <slickymasterWork> I'll be around this weekend so between the three of us, we get it done
[16:21] <sidi> slickymaster, sure. note I have no clue on earth what I signed up for
[16:21] <sidi> but I love to rant about security advice so
[16:21] <sidi> wont miss an opportunity
[16:23] <slickymasterWork> we'll be here to here your rants gladly sidi
[16:23] <slickymasterWork> s/here/hear
[16:24] <sidi> you'll be hear to here? :P
[16:24] <elfy> I'll be here to giggle
[16:24] <sidi> elfy, good
[16:25] <sidi> elfy, giggle for entropy
[17:01] <pleia2> anyone about for the CC catch up over in #ubuntu-meeting?
[17:03] <pleia2> ochosi, bluesabre, knome?
[17:39] <knome> pleia2, sorry, didn't quite make it
[17:40] <knome> unless you're still running :)
[17:40] <elfy> finished knome
[17:40] <knome> ok, good
[17:40] <pleia2> hah
[17:41] <elfy> these 2 random peeps turned up and said stuff
[17:42] <knome> :D
[17:42] <knome> very random
[17:42] <elfy> one was randomer
[17:43] <knome> heh
[17:43] <knome> so what's the outcome?
[17:43] <elfy> randomness wins everytime :)
[17:43] <knome> the xubuntu team will be deceased and developers decapitated for bad work?
[17:44] <pleia2> everything is awesome except it's hard to get testers probably because testing is hard
[17:44] <pleia2> dholbach also invited a Xubuntu person to the weekly community Q&A - any volunteers? :)
[17:44] <pleia2> I know we're a camera-shy bunch
[17:45] <pleia2> I don't want to do it
[17:45] <knome> i voluntell elfy
[17:46] <elfy> you voluntell away - I'll be driving
[17:46] <knome> :D
[17:46] <knome> what's the time of the meeting?
[17:46] <knome> maybe we could organize a few q&a's per cycle
[17:47] <knome> with varying people showing up from xubuntu
[17:47] <PaulW2U> pleia2: testing is not hard. the reporting of the results of the testing puts testers off further testing
[17:47] <knome> PaulW2U, and that leads us to another topic; if there is anything that would make it easier (considerin you'd still have to use the same tools), what would that be?
[17:47] <pleia2> PaulW2U: a lot of folks struggle with even creating USB sticks :(
[17:48] <elfy> knome: usually 1600
[17:48] <pleia2> PaulW2U: but yeah, my "testing is hard" comment encompassed everything from making the stick, using the tracker, submitting bugs; the whole process has a lot of pain points where people quit
[17:48] <knome> pleia2, no wonder since unetbootin and usb-creator-gtk work/don't work alternately each cycle :P
[17:48] <pleia2> knome: indeed
[17:48] <knome> elfy, any day?
[17:49] <knome> pleia2, *i* have problems creating usb sticks
[17:49] <pleia2> me too
[17:49] <elfy> seem to be tuesdays knome
[17:49] <knome> i can obviously overcome them, but yeah, that's not easy :(
[17:49] <knome> or good:(
[17:49] <knome> elfy, oki
[17:49] <pleia2> I asked lubuntu to see what they do, but they struggle as well (using a dd tool, but dd is hard on usb sticks, especially cheap ones)
[17:49] <elfy> I don't have problems creating them - but have to know how to force the boot with them
[17:49] <PaulW2U> pleia2: Submitting bugs against the right package is where testers such as I often struggle
[17:50] <pleia2> PaulW2U: yeah, me too
[17:50] <elfy> PaulW2U: same
[17:50] <pleia2> PaulW2U: I'm hosting a global jam in san francisco in a few weeks, having contributors join here so we can get help mostly with that specific issue
[17:51] <elfy> at the end of the day - as long as bug is reported and linked on the tracker - people can always tidy up afterwards
[17:51] <pleia2> last time I did this (september 2013) some devs even fixed issues on the spot, so we didn't even need bugs :D
[17:51] <pleia2> or at least, the bugs were on the radar immediately, even if not in the right spot exactly
[17:51] <elfy> but knowing package to report against is always going to be an issue for the bulk of people
[17:52] <knome> pleia2, elfy: technically, is the weekly q&a a g+ hangout?
[17:52] <elfy> personally I would rather bug got reported - even against the wrong thing - at least it's then visible
[17:52] <elfy> knome: I believe so
[17:53] <knome> ok, added an agenda item
[17:53] <elfy> ok
[17:53] <pleia2> knome: yeah
[17:53] <elfy> ok - wandering for a bit now
[17:53]  * pleia2 wanders to work
[17:54] <knome> i don't have any problems people testing xubuntu reporting bugs against xubuntu-desktop if that helps
[17:54] <knome> it's often trivial enough for people involved to figure out the right package
[17:54] <elfy> knome: yea - that I meant to say
[17:54] <knome> if it isn't, then it's usually a nastyish bug, and needs developer triaging anyway
[17:54] <knome> yep
[19:15] <Unit193> ochosi: You know Debian is still in freeze, so likelyhood of getting anything in that's not a security update is low and hard?
[19:21] <Unit193> Err, right.  Thanks for updating the blueprint.
[19:49] <elfy> brainwash: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1410760/comments/2
[19:50] <elfy> I can - exactly the same in clementine
[19:50] <elfy> that is I can confirm it :)
[19:53] <elfy> ctrl+f8 is set for workspace 8 - don't appear to be able to change that key combination
[19:55] <Unit193> You normally can change that in xfwm4-settings
[19:57] <elfy> aah yes
[19:57] <elfy> not sure why it won't let you force the issue without removing the old ctr+fn
[20:01] <Unit193> Some shortcut conflicted with LibreOffice too, had to remove it.
[20:23] <brainwash> elfy: it's strange. I did not expect this to happen in 14.10 and up
[20:31] <brainwash> ali1234: do you actually see the corrupted root background or assume that it has to be broken (code-wise)?
[20:32] <ali1234> i never see corruption because i am using virtualbox
[20:32] <ali1234> i see a grey background because that's the default
[20:33] <brainwash> the daily ppa package fixes it for me. no clue which branch or tweaks it really includes
[20:33] <ali1234> what daily ppa?
[20:33] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/+archive/ubuntu/daily
[20:34] <brainwash> package was built 5 weeks ago
[20:34] <brainwash> "daily"
[20:36] <brainwash> I've only noticed that the greeter draws a grey background before loading the actual background picture
[20:37] <brainwash> this was fixed months ago I think and is now back after the rewrite
[20:37] <ali1234> nope, that ppa also does not work
[20:38] <brainwash> for you :)
[20:38] <ali1234> it's not even close to working
[20:40] <brainwash> but I see no visual breakage, so it somehow "works" :(
[20:40] <brainwash> and vbox is a different case
[20:50] <ali1234> hmm
[20:51] <ali1234> okay, master actually does work
[20:53] <ali1234> daily ppa doesn't though
[20:56] <brainwash> success!
[22:02] <Unit193> ...Wow, I see the failure.
[22:08] <Unit193> bluesabre: xfpm and stuff fail to build, xdt-autogen tries to copy stuff into m4/ before creating the directory...
[22:44] <brainwash> ohh.. now I need to have xfpm running to change locker settings
[22:53] <brainwash> net/split


[17:20] <rubiojr> good evening gentlemen
[17:21] <rubiojr> I'm trying to understand how the different openstack swift services are started in 12.04
[17:22] <rubiojr> swift-account/proxy/object/container upstart jobs do not start all there required services from what I've seen
[17:22] <rubiojr> in particular, reapers replicators and auditors are not started
[17:22] <rubiojr> is that correct?
[20:33] <mgalloway> anyone know how to interface with the eucalyptus HSQLDB?


[03:22] <stuartyeates> afternoon everyone
[03:22] <ajmitch> hi
[03:30] <Atamira> hey
[03:53] <stuartyeates> sourceforge users: check your email for a security-related email from them
[04:48] <ol> sigh, why do people always make such emails look like phishing attempts:
[04:48] <ol> "If you need help with this, feel free to e-mail us:
[04:48] <ol><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:54] <G> ol: heh I was thinking a similar thing
[04:55] <G> the only reason I knew it wasn't was they actually remembered to send two like they always do :)
[07:35] <ol> G: well, the URLs were to the SF website too


[08:01] <DanChapman> good morning all
[11:59] <DanChapman> jibel hey I think somethings up with https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Ubiquity/view/Ubuntu/job/ubiquity_ap-ubuntu_devel_daily-run/  it hasn't run since the 5th of Feb
[15:36] <cyphermox_> jibel: hey
[15:37] <cyphermox_> jibel: are you aware of issues downloading packages as part of an autopkgtest run in jenkins? the NM autopkgtest failed because it couldn't download rfkill
[15:47] <jibel> cyphermox_, Hi, downloading packages from the archive or another source?
[15:52] <cyphermox_> from archive
[15:53] <cyphermox_> I would expect rerunning it to just work, but there already was a rerun and the same problem happened
[15:54] <jibel> cyphermox_, ack, I'll look into this this morning
[15:55] <cyphermox_> jibel: thanks
[16:29] <senan> DanChapman, hey :)
[16:47] <senan> DanChapman, did you try that yesterday ?
[17:56] <jibel> cyphermox_, so, you test dropped the default route
[17:57] <jibel> maybe you could restore it in the cleanup, that'd allow tests to continue
[18:15] <cyphermox_> jibel: yeah. sorry for the trouble I just didn't expect this to happen, I didn't write those tests
[18:39] <DanChapman> balloons, howdy o/
[18:41] <balloons> DanChapman: howdy ho
[18:47] <jibel> DanChapman, Ubiquity tests of Ubuntu didn't start because the download of the image failed. the checksums on cdimage.u.c didn't match the iso. We'll see tomorrow if it happens again.
[18:48] <DanChapman> jibel, that expalains it. :-) thanks for getting back to me


[13:49] <BugeyeD> Nivex: major revision? is the ammo now nuclear?
[14:10] <Nivex> heh
[23:56] <melissa> hello


[03:18] <tvansteenburgh> is juju-2.0-beta7 in a ppa somewhere or does it have to be built from source?
[03:19] <tvansteenburgh> i thought it'd be i ppa:juju/devel but apparently not?
[04:55] <ejat> 2016-05-08 04:15:09 INFO install However the following packages replace it:
[04:55] <ejat> 2016-05-08 04:15:09 INFO install   mysql-testsuite-5.7 mysql-server-core-5.7 mysql-client-5.7
[04:55] <ejat> 2016-05-08 04:15:09 INFO install   mariadb-server-core-10.0 mariadb-client-10.0
[04:55] <ejat> 2016-05-08 04:15:09 INFO install
[04:55] <ejat> 2016-05-08 04:15:09 INFO install E: Package 'mysql-client-5.6' has no installation candidate
[04:55] <ejat> 2016-05-08 04:15:09 INFO install Traceback (most recent call last):
[10:20] <popey> https://jujucharms.com/get-started - these instructions do not work on 16.04
[10:21] <popey> E: Unable to locate package juju-quickstart
[10:23] <popey> installing juju-core results in no juju binary being installed either.


[00:06] <ubotu> New bug: #163940 in virtualbox-ose (universe) "Virtual Box OSE in Universe Fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163940
[00:21] <ubotu> New bug: #163941 in ubuntu "openoffice slow scrolling with antialiasing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163941
[00:25] <ubotu> New bug: #163942 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] jKiwi" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163942
[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #161795 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "waitid (..., WNOWAIT) spins or hangs the kernel inside sys_waitid if the queued event is from ptrace" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161795
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #163946 in amule (universe) "amule don't change default language" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163946
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #163951 in ubuntu "Gnome-RDP does not work without libsqlite0 installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163951
[01:51] <ubotu> New bug: #163952 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "kernel Oops (Unable to handle kernel  paging request at<PHONE_NUMBER>217eaf)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163952
[02:12] <ubotu> New bug: #163953 in ubiquity (main) "mythbuntu crashes on install (ubiquity)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163953
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[02:21] <ubotu> New bug: #163956 in ubuntu "/var/{run|lock} mounted twice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163956
[02:23] <ubotu> New bug: #163957 in scim-hangul (main) "skim module for scim-hangul >0.3 NEEDED" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163957
[02:26] <ubotu> New bug: #163958 in ubuntu "Fail playing avi files." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163958
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[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #163966 in wine (universe) "Powersim: Unimplemented function storage.dll" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163966
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #163969 in checkinstall (universe) "checkinstall. if when version has no number, should then warn rather than continue and then fail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163969
[03:43] <ubotu> New bug: #163965 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "[gutsy] Broken visualization enabling fglrx" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163965
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[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #163973 in flac (main) "libflac has multiple security vulnerabilities" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163973
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[05:21] <ubotu> New bug: #163978 in linux-meta (main) "7.10 install, "unable to install selected kernel, package linux-generic"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163978
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #163979 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox will not display the Jamendo Catalogue window." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163979
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[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #163987 in jabberd2 (universe) "jabberd2-bdb is missing the files in component.d directory on amd64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163987
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[07:41] <ubotu> New bug: #164000 in freeradius (universe) "CVE-2006-1354: EAP-MSCHAPv2 vulnerability" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164000
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[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #164003 in evolution (main) "Evolution Date selection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164003
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #164005 in camlzip (universe) "FTBFS: camlzip_1.03-6 on hardy/i386" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164005
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #164004 in ubuntu "Workaround to run Netbeans in Compiz works no more in Gutsy 64 bit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164004
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[08:21] <ubotu> New bug: #164007 in net-snmp (main) "[net-snmp] remote Denial of Service vulnerability" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164007
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #164008 in gnome-applets (main) "Weather: Cannot resize location selector" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164008
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #164009 in burgerspace (universe) "FTBFS: burgerspace_1.8.1-1 on hardy/i386" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164009
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #164011 in linux-meta (main) "[linux-source] multiple DoS vulnerabilities" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164011
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #164012 in ubuntu "after update 7.10 no wifi" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164012
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[08:53] <ubotu> New bug: #164015 in evolution (main) "evolution window too big, jumping around when i try to maximize/minimize, close-button not working... i use evolution 2.12.1, german" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164015
[08:53] <ubotu> New bug: #164016 in gnome-power-manager (main) "laptop does not suspend or hibernate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164016
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #164017 in evolution (main) "Lost my mails when I moved a large number of mails between folders in Evolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164017
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #164018 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "page allocation failure caused by rtl8139 driver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164018
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[09:33] <ubotu> New bug: #164023 in ubuntu "needs-packaging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164023
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[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #164034 in ubuntu "ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164034
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[12:08] <proppy> hi
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #164047 in ubuntu "I try to Upgrading Kubuntu to 7.10 from feisty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164047
[12:38] <ubotu> New bug: #164048 in audacious-plugins (universe) "audacious pulseaudio plugin is making "stuttering sound"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164048
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[13:17] <ubotu> New bug: #164054 in ubuntu "Lexmark 4550 all in one driver needs-packaging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164054
[13:47] <ubotu> New bug: #164057 in gnome-control-center (main) "problem with keyboard layout swiching" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164057
[14:17] <ubotu> New bug: #164058 in rutilt (universe) "'network interface is down' when trying to connect to network using rt73" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164058
[14:21] <ubotu> New bug: #164063 in kdegraphics (main) "visualization problem of kpdf with A4 landscape" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164063
[14:26] <ubotu> New bug: #164064 in evolution (main) "[gutsy] evolution crashed core dumped" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164064
[14:26] <ubotu> New bug: #164066 in evince (main) "Evince hangs up and loads CPU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164066
[14:45] <ubotu> New bug: #164067 in ubuntu "wine applette has locked up system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164067
[14:45] <ubotu> New bug: #164068 in gnome-games-extra-data (universe) "Please sync gnome-games-extra-data 2.20.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164068
[14:45] <ubotu> New bug: #164069 in rkhunter (universe) "package rkhunter 1.3.0-1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164069
[15:07] <baikonur> hi
[15:08] <persia> hey baikonur
[15:08] <baikonur> there is a security update for mplayer but without any description. I didn't get any mail about that security problem. is that for real?
[15:11] <baikonur> it's an update from version 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13 to 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13.1
[15:11] <persia> baikonur: I don't know offhand, but sometimes there are security updates prepared before an announcement is made, as other distributions may not have deployed them.  If you're worried it's not real, check a few different mirrors: they won't all be poisoned (and very likely none are).
[15:12] <persia> baikonur: For what it's worth, my mirror shows 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13.1 as a security update.
[15:13] <baikonur> persia: wouldn't a mirror just mirror a compromised server?
[15:13] <persia> baikonur: Not unless the main archive was compromised, and I'd know about that.
[15:14] <persia> (unless you're talking about far edge mirrors: check a couple different primary country mirrors if you're paranoid: they each sync from the main archive)
[15:14] <baikonur> ok. I'll postpone this update until I've got a description :-)
[15:15] <baikonur> thanks for your help
[15:15] <ubotu> New bug: #164093 in pulseaudio (main) "need to kill pulseaudio to hear some sounds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164093
[15:15] <persia> baikonur: That may not be wise: there may be an exploit out there.  Just check the Packages.gz from a couple different big-country mirrors and verify the md5sum is the same.
[15:20] <baikonur> hmm: mplayer (2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13.1) gutsy-security; urgency=low * SECURITY UPDATE: buffer overrun in mpdemux code (LP: #140891).  * libmpdemux/aviheader.c: Apply upstream patch.  * References:   - CVE-2007-4938 -- William Grant<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:20:30 +1100
[15:20] <ubotu> Heap-based buffer overflow in libmpdemux/aviheader.c in MPlayer 1.0rc1 and earlier allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service (application crash) or possibly execute arbitrary code via a .avi file with certain large "indx truck size" and nEntriesInuse values, and a certain wLongsPerEntry value. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-4938)
[15:21] <baikonur> 06 Nov 2007?
[15:23] <persia> baikonur: That'd be the date the fix was initially prepared, for which the distribution date isn't always a close match.  I'd trust William's signature, and looking at the vulnerability, you likely want to take it, as apparently watching the wrong movie with the old version can allow someone to break into your computer.
[15:24] <baikonur> yeah
[15:30] <ubotu> New bug: #158672 in rkward "kdesu: Unknown option '-t'." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158672
[15:30] <ubotu> New bug: #164072 in cacti (universe) "[CVE-2007-6035] cacti has a sql injection vulnerability" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164072
[15:30] <ubotu> New bug: #164097 in dmake (main) "Please sync dmake 1:4.9-1  (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164097
[15:32] <ubotu> New bug: #164096 in file-roller (main) "file-roller doesn't view the content in a .zip file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164096
[15:36] <ubotu> New bug: #164098 in ubuntu "USB devices stop working " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164098
[15:36] <ubotu> New bug: #164100 in libgd-graph-perl (main) "Please sync libgd-graph-perl 1.44-1  (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164100
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #164102 in mail-notification (universe) "mail-notification cpu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164102
[15:52] <ubotu> New bug: #164103 in ifrench-gut (main) "Please sync ifrench-gut 1:1.0-19.1  (main) from Debian unstable (main) (dup-of: 164104)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164103
[15:52] <ubotu> New bug: #164104 in ifrench-gut (main) "Please sync ifrench-gut 1:1.0-19.1  (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164104
[15:52] <ubotu> New bug: #164105 in command-not-found (main) "command-not-found has crashed!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164105
[16:17] <ubotu> New bug: #164108 in firefox (main) "Hover menu flickers in firefox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164108
[16:30] <ubotu> New bug: #164109 in eog (main) "eog crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164109
[16:30] <ubotu> New bug: #164110 in gnome-panel (main) "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164110
[16:36] <ubotu> New bug: #164111 in tracker (main) "tracker-extract crashed with SIGSEGV in gst_plugin_feature_type_name_filter()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164111
[16:36] <ubotu> New bug: #164113 in deskbar-applet (main) "deskbar-applet crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164113
[16:40] <bddebian> Boo
[16:40] <ogra> bee
[16:41] <ubotu> New bug: #164112 in adept (main) "crash of Adept manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164112
[16:41] <ubotu> New bug: #164114 in gnome-control-center (main) "gnome-keybinding-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in IA__gtk_container_propagate_expose()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164114
[16:41] <ubotu> New bug: #164115 in metacity (main) "metacity-dialog crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164115
[16:41] <ubotu> New bug: #164116 in pidgin (main) "pidgin doesn't open mail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164116
[16:50] <ubotu> New bug: #164119 in ubuntu "Confusing menu entries for Keyboard in System->Preferences" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164119
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #164117 in ubuntu "cannot connect to windows network" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164117
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #164118 in amarok (main) "loads of copies of copycover consume all the memory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164118
[16:57] <andrea-bs> hi all
[17:00] <ubotu> New bug: #164121 in ubuntu "no languages icon on the panel by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164121
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #164120 in nautilus (main) "nautilus hangs when mounted nfs drive is no longer accessible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164120
[17:12] <ubotu> New bug: #164122 in gnomescan (universe) "flegita : Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164122
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #164123 in firefox-3.0 (universe) "Firefox 3 Gran Paradiso need upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164123
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #164124 in ubuntu "Hibernate issues in Gutsy on Thinkpad T42 (2373) " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164124
[17:31] <ubotu> New bug: #164126 in ubuntu "no shortcuts information on the desktop effects ui" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164126
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #164128 in dhcp3 (main) "dhclient should accept routing options" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164128
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #164129 in evolution-rss (universe) "no rss in evolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164129
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #164127 in sysvinit (main) "/etc/init.d/rc CONCURRENCY=shell breaks gnome" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164127
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #164130 in compiz (main) "no zoom in or out if the mouse is over menus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164130
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #164131 in nautilus (main) "disconnected external HDD can not be powered off" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164131
[17:51] <ubotu> New bug: #164132 in ubuntu "Sound issues in gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164132
[17:51] <ubotu> New bug: #164133 in kile (universe) "[WISHLIST] Upgrade to Kile 2.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164133
[17:55] <ubotu> New bug: #164134 in upstart (main) "[7.10] [tel]init [s,S] does not function as expected - locks the machine" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164134
[18:07] <Alfonsodg> bdmurray: ping
[18:09] <warp10> Hi all!
[18:10] <ubotu> New bug: #164137 in ubuntu "Two problems when installing without an Internet connection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164137
[18:22] <ubotu> New bug: #164138 in pysdm (universe) "fat32 partition freezes file browser + other applications and can't write to front of partition." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164138
[18:22] <ubotu> New bug: #164139 in ubuntu "adept manager crashes after downloading some package. This is the bug's report" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164139
[18:22] <ubotu> New bug: #164140 in compiz (main) "alt+tab and then zooming" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164140
[18:26] <ubotu> New bug: #164142 in ubuntu "mouse pointer keeps changing to default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164142
[18:36] <ubotu> New bug: #164143 in gwhois (universe) "Please sync gwhois 20071030  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164143
[18:41] <ubotu> New bug: #164145 in update-manager (main) "update manager from 7.04 to 7.10 - getting upgrade prerequisites failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164145
[18:45] <ubotu> New bug: #164146 in gtklp (universe) "gtklp not print the special caracter example (ò) italian, and stop the printer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164146
[18:50] <ubotu> New bug: #150173 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in addWindowDamage()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150173
[19:00] <ubotu> New bug: #164147 in ubuntu "VIF.get_network not found" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164147
[19:11] <ubotu> New bug: #164148 in tracker (main) "unsafe tempfile usage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164148
[19:11] <ubotu> New bug: #164149 in evolution (main) "evolution doesn't recognize meeting requests with the "Prefer plain-text" plugin enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164149
[19:16] <ubotu> New bug: #164150 in tracker (main) "multiple stack overflows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164150
[19:16] <ubotu> New bug: #164151 in hfsprogs (universe) "Description is misleading" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164151
[19:20] <ubotu> New bug: #164152 in ubuntu "gnomesword2 dictionaries not functioning" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164152
[19:27] <ubotu> New bug: #164153 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/debian/build/custom-source-xen/mm/mmap.c:466!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164153
[19:27] <ubotu> New bug: #164154 in update-manager (main) "adept updater stops at libqt3-mt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164154
[19:31] <ubotu> New bug: #164155 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164155
[19:31] <ubotu> New bug: #164156 in vim (main) "vim-gnome has no menu bar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164156
[19:52] <ubotu> New bug: #164158 in prj2make-sharp (universe) "Please sync prj2make-sharp (universe) 0.95-4 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164158
[19:52] <ubotu> New bug: #164161 in apturl (main) "package apturl 0.1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164161
[19:54] <ubotu> New bug: #159386 in tracker (main) "trackerd crashed with SIGSEGV in start_thread()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159386
[19:55] <ubotu> New bug: #157442 in tracker (main) "trackerd crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_foreach()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157442
[19:55] <ubotu> New bug: #159125 in tracker (main) "tracker-extract crashed with SIGSEGV in _fini()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159125
[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #164165 in chiark-utils (universe) "missing libnettle.so.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164165
[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #164166 in ebug-http (universe) "FTBFS: tries to download from CPAN" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164166
[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #164167 in git-core (main) "git-core fails to install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164167
[20:06] <ubotu> New bug: #164169 in imapfilter (universe) "Imapfilter 2.0.2 is broken in gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164169
[20:10] <ubotu> New bug: #164170 in openoffice.org (main) "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164170
[20:10] <saivann> Does somebody knows something about bug 59695? This bug is actually making very bad publicity to linux ubuntu and it seems that there's a lack of communication with this bug
[20:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 59695 in acpi-support "High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59695
[20:12] <ogra1> saivann, feel free to attach a link to http://lwn.net/Articles/257426/
[20:12] <ogra1> ity no ubuntu specific problem
[20:12] <ogra1> *its
[20:14] <saivann> ogra1 : Thanks, should ubuntu trust BIOS values, is that completely normal?
[20:14] <ubotu> New bug: #164157 in ubuntu "Erratic behavior of Qt4 Designer - impossible to use." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164157
[20:14] <ogra1> windows does, others do ...
[20:16] <saivann> ogra1 : Ok, is there something we can do to clean this bug report? Because it gets full of people who try to help or are afraid
[20:17] <ogra1> well, first of all educating them that its not uncommon in *all* os'es
[20:17] <ogra1> by pointing to the article
[20:17] <ubotu> New bug: #164171 in xorg (main) "key repeat under cursor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164171
[20:17] <ubotu> New bug: #164172 in ubuntu "Print jobs are not working with gnome applications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164172
[20:17] <ogra1> beyond that i have no idea what else to do
[20:18] <saivann> ogra1 : Do you think that it would be great to add this article in the bug description?
[20:18] <ogra1> hmm, not sure ...
[20:18] <saivann> ogra1 : Because if there's nothing to fix.. it seems not normal to me that the importance of this bug is wishlist
[20:18] <ogra1> might make it more prominent than in a comment
[20:19] <saivann> ogra1 : Mm, there's so much comments on this bug report that I'm sure that people don't read half of them, that's the problem
[20:21] <ogra1> yeah, put it into the description then ...
[20:22] <saivann> ogra1 : I'm a new bug triager, so I might be wrong, but I think that this bug need 2 things, a clear answer from ubuntu experts and a clear direction ( ex. what should be fixed and what shouldn't be fixed )
[20:22] <ogra1> right
[20:23] <saivann> ogra1 : I want to avoid lost time and panic from new ubuntu users
[20:24] <saivann> ogra1 : Great, do you have some ideas on how to improve this bug?
[20:24] <\sh> saivann, well, should I write a bug report to toshiba for destroying my 60gb portegé r200 drive because of the wrong settings they think they are ok?
[20:25] <\sh> saivann, in windows that was?
[20:25] <\sh> saivann, the problem is easy: there is a different view between hardware manufactors and a unix alike system.
[20:26] <saivann> \sh : The question here is to know if that high value in BIOS is or isn't bad for hard drive. If it is set by manufacturers, what's the proof that's it's really so bad? That's why I think that we need a expert to confirm this information above all
[20:27] <\sh> saivann, who is an expert? only this guy who wrote the spec for those settings...
[20:28] <saivann> \sh : Mmh, I would say somebody who have a large knowledge of laptop hard drives.
[20:28] <\sh> saivann, the only problem we have here, and in this I agree with the author of this article: Ubuntu is in everyones mouth, that it had to happen with ubuntu and not with fedora or opensuse first...but they have the same problems...
[20:29] <saivann> \sh : Yes, and I agree with this. What I want to do here is make things clearer because people are pretty confuse on launchpad and everywhere
[20:29] <\sh> saivann, hmm...laptop hardrives are assembled in HP blades too...what's the difference? the difference is just that a laptop has a different usage as a blade..
[20:31] <saivann> \sh : Ok, what do you suggest to do to help around this bug report and around all this bad publicity against ubuntu, and soon against all linux distro?
[20:31] <\sh> saivann, you can't stop them...because they only see numbers (which they never see on windows, btw) and they will rant more and more...it's just like bug #1
[20:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[20:31] <ubotu> New bug: #164174 in dosfstools (main) "dosfsck segfaults on my filesystem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164174
[20:31] <ubotu> New bug: #164175 in ubuntu "partition disappeared after reboot from desktop, Places and computer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164175
[20:32] <\sh> saivann, let our hardware guys think about all this, they will find a solution in time
[20:32] <saivann> \sh : You really think that there's no idea which can help ( I know, not completely close this problem ) but that would greatly help
[20:32] <\sh> saivann, don't feed the trolls...
[20:33] <saivann> \sh : Hehe, that's why I talk about this here before :)
[20:34] <\sh> saivann, there are ideas, as you can read in the articles, but if it's a good solution, it's a different case...there is right now (tm) no real solution..only workarounds which help or not depending on the laptop settings and harddrive manufactur...
[20:34]  * \sh <- nicotine
[20:35] <saivann> \sh : I mean by solution, a solution to clean the bug report and make things clearer about the situation for everyone, developers and people who are afraid to see their laptop HD explode in two days
[20:35] <saivann> \sh : I know that the real problem isn't in our hands as we're not developers
[20:36] <ubotu> New bug: #164176 in pulseaudio (main) "pulseaudio doesn't show manually created devices" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164176
[20:36] <ubotu> New bug: #164177 in jmagick (universe) "Please sync jmagick 6.2.6-0-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164177
[20:36] <\sh> saivann, the bg report is not a problem...let people write
[20:36] <\sh> saivann, and it should stay open until the problem is fixed.
[20:37] <saivann> \sh : You don't think that people feels that nothing is do to fix the problem in that way?
[20:39] <\sh> saivann, well, we can setup a webcam at developers home that people can see, that they are working...
[20:39] <\sh> s/a/several/
[20:39] <saivann> \sh : Hehe, good joke :)
[20:41] <saivann> \sh : Well anyway, thanks, I'll let things like they are here, but I will think that there could be improvement on this to help make things clearer
[20:42] <saivann> s/will/still/
[20:43] <\sh> saivann, mjg59 gave infos about this, lwn wrote an article...other news sources were correcting this, and were telling people that's not the distros fault...but people are lazy to read and to understand
[20:43] <saivann> \sh : Yeah I know, and that's a pain
[20:43] <\sh> saivann, so we have to fix the people first...
[20:46] <saivann> \sh : Thanks for your answer and for your time
[20:47] <ubotu> New bug: #164178 in ubuntu "network manager runs with 100% cpu usage when resume from standby and wireless network is not in range" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164178
[20:47] <ubotu> New bug: #164179 in audacious-plugins (universe) "conflictive midi support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164179
[20:52] <ubotu> New bug: #164180 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "p54 module blocks wlan network device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164180
[20:56] <ubotu> New bug: #164181 in cryptsetup (main) "Manual page typos" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164181
[20:56] <ubotu> New bug: #164182 in gedit (main) "gedit hangs the entire system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164182
[20:56] <ubotu> New bug: #164183 in ubuntu "sata controller/drive reports exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x40d0002 action 0x2 frozen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164183
[21:05] <ubotu> New bug: #164184 in devmapper (main) "dmsetup: boneheaded errors when invoked with insufficient privileges" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164184
[21:05] <ubotu> New bug: #164185 in ubuntu "trackerd hinders laptop suspend process" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164185
[21:15] <saivann> According to bug #101943, Braid screensaver can freeze, and sometime crash a ubuntu system when compiz is enabled ( this is the default WM in Gutsy ) I set the importance to medium, but since it freeze the computer, should-I raise the importance to high?
[21:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 101943 in xscreensaver "Braid screensaver crashes system with compiz activated" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101943
[21:15] <ubotu> New bug: #164187 in checkgmail (universe) "Unsafe permissions on configuration directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164187
[21:21] <ubotu> New bug: #164189 in e2fsprogs (main) "uuidgen manual page inconsistency" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164189
[21:42] <ubotu> New bug: #164191 in ubuntu ""Default" keyboard settings are seemingly incompatible with GNOME" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164191
[21:46] <ubotu> New bug: #164192 in update-notifier (main) "Add way to close in the upgrade complete dialog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164192
[21:47] <ubotu> New bug: #164186 in dell "[inspiron 1420n] Second headphone jack not working" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164186
[21:47] <ubotu> New bug: #164190 in lua5.1 (universe) "GUTSY Broken package in repos: libreadline5-dev" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164190
[21:56] <ubotu> New bug: #164193 in firestarter (universe) "firestarter firewall doesn't start when the trusted interface is not configured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164193
[22:10] <ubotu> New bug: #164195 in rhythmbox (main) "crash on visualisation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164195
[22:22] <saivann> According to bug #101943, Braid screensaver can freeze, and sometime crash a ubuntu system when compiz is enabled ( this is the default WM in Gutsy ) I set the importance to medium, but since it freeze the computer, should-I raise the importance to high?
[22:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 101943 in xscreensaver "Braid screensaver crashes system with compiz activated" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101943
[22:27] <ubotu> New bug: #164198 in ubuntu "CD duplicate mount on desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164198
[22:27] <ubotu> New bug: #164200 in gnome-terminal (main) "flashplayer-nstaller doesn't run in the terminal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164200
[22:27] <ubotu> New bug: #164201 in firefox (main) "firefox crash when loading the flash ad on www.yahoo.com and leaves it behind" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164201
[22:31] <ubotu> New bug: #164202 in git (universe) "[hardy] gitk installing files where it shouldn't be" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164202
[22:43] <saivann> bluekuja : Hi! ( this is mertiki )
[22:55] <ubotu> New bug: #164205 in ubuntu "[hardy] failed to initialize hal network broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164205
[23:05] <ubotu> New bug: #164208 in ubuntu "Mozilla Thunderbird" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164208
[23:05] <ubotu> New bug: #164209 in ubuntu "Ubuntu should suggest Wine when a user open a Windows executable file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164209
[23:22] <Alfonsodg> bdmurray: ping
[23:26] <ubotu> New bug: #164212 in firefox (main) "no task bar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164212
[23:31] <ubotu> New bug: #164213 in ubuntu "need-packaging burnstation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164213
[23:34] <saivann> According to bug #101943, Braid screensaver can freeze, and sometime crash a ubuntu system when compiz is enabled ( this is the default WM in Gutsy ) I set the importance to medium, but since it freeze the computer, should-I raise the importance to high?
[23:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 101943 in xscreensaver "Braid screensaver crashes system with compiz activated" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101943
[23:36] <ubotu> New bug: #164214 in ubuntu "nm-applet 0.6.5 does not identify NICs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164214


[17:26] <summ1else1985> Can anyone point me in the right direction? I'm looking for assistance working with ltsp client boot ups
[17:27] <alkisg> summ1else1985: you could ask here, or in #ltsp, what's your problem?
[17:36] <summ1else1985> sorry there was an emergency on the calling floor
[17:36] <summ1else1985> i'm back though
[17:36] <summ1else1985> my issue is that I'd like for the clients to run tsclient on startup
[17:37] <summ1else1985> i've tried several things, but I apparently don't fully understand the image and file paths that the client is using
[17:37] <summ1else1985> my latest go was to edit the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/profile
[17:37] <alkisg> tsclient or rdesktop?
[17:37] <summ1else1985> just add tsclient to the bash script there
[17:37] <summ1else1985> and then did ltsp-update-image
[17:37] <summ1else1985> but alas no luck
[17:37] <summ1else1985> tsclient
[17:38] <alkisg> afaik you need to make a screen script, similar to the existing rdesktop script
[17:38] <summ1else1985> okk
[17:38] <summ1else1985> i'll start looking into that
[17:39] <summ1else1985> thanks for giving me a new lead, i was running out of options
[17:39] <alkisg> summ1else1985: scripts are there:
[17:39] <alkisg> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d
[17:39] <summ1else1985> :)
[17:39] <summ1else1985> thank you thank you
[17:39] <alkisg> Then, for the clients you want, you need to put this in lts.conf:
[17:39] <alkisg> SCREEN_07=tsclient
[17:39] <alkisg> (or whatever you call your script)
[17:40] <summ1else1985> cool, i've seen some things similar to that bouncing around
[17:40] <alkisg> ...and of course ltsp-update-image
[17:40] <summ1else1985> awesome
[17:40] <alkisg> summ1else1985: you've installed tsclient to the chroot, right?
[17:40] <summ1else1985> i was under the (mistaken) impression that the image build would make the client act as though it were a normal ubuntu package and run the login scripts out of /etc/profile
[17:41] <summ1else1985> ... and boom goes the dynamite
[17:41] <summ1else1985> no i haven't
[17:41] <summ1else1985> thanks again
[17:41] <summ1else1985> i'm going to trot out of here and get working on this stuff
[19:12] <hgrover> Hello, does anybody know about using microphones with LTSP?  I'm trying to set up audacity for a lab, but I'm not seeing any audio input on my thin clients
[19:12] <hgrover> (It's not muted or anything, I checked)
[21:06] <Svenstaro> hgrover, did you search all the docs?
[21:06] <Svenstaro> If clients are able to receive sound, they should be able to record as well


[09:14] <rmg51> Morning
[10:32] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:55] <icey> ahoy
[12:10] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else


[02:08] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[02:08] <darthrobot`> Meeting started Mon Sep 24 02:08:33 2012 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[02:08] <pleia2> so, who's here for the meeting?
[02:08] <grantbow> o/
[02:08] <pleia2> eps: thanks for spotting that error on the partimus site today
[02:09] <akk> o/
[02:09] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12September23
[02:09] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12September23 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:09] <pleia2> #topic Leadership Elections
[02:10] <pleia2> so, we had Darkwing step down due to moving out of the state
[02:10] <pleia2> I'll toss my name in again for a leadership spot
[02:10] <pleia2> is there anyone who wants to run the call for leaders and all that? :)
[02:11] <grantbow> where are the rules?
[02:11] <eps> ...and deadlines?
[02:11] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Leadership
[02:11] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Leadership - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:11] <pleia2> eps: the person running it has to determine the deadlines
[02:12] <pleia2> we don't have hard deadlines really, octoberish or novemberish for new leadership going in
[02:12] <pleia2> if you scroll down to the bottom of that leadership page you'll see what we did in years past
[02:13] <pleia2> and I think look in the archives in september & october of last year
[02:13] <pleia2> I really can't do it again this year because 1) it's actually kind of awkward to do it since I'm one of the leaders 2) I'll be gone for a month starting october 10th
[02:15] <pleia2> so, anyone? :)
[02:15] <eps> Where's MarkDude when we need him? ;-)
[02:17] <pleia2> heh
[02:17] <grantbow> lol
[02:17] <pleia2> he's more of an exciting event doer :) less of an administriva running election type I think
[02:17] <pleia2> this really is sending emails, encouraging people to apply, setting up vote (if we have more than 3 applciants)
[02:18] <pleia2> alright, I'll follow up on list and see if I can get someone to handle it
[02:19] <pleia2> that was all we had on our agenda for today
[02:19] <pleia2> #topic Announcements, events, anything else
[02:20] <pleia2> I'm canceling the october and november SF Ubuntu Hours due to aformentioned out of townness
[02:21] <grantbow> unless someone else picks them up?
[02:21] <pleia2> will probably do an Ubuntu Hour+Dinner-ish thing some time the first week of October
[02:21] <pleia2> grantbow: yes, anyone is welcome to run them
[02:21] <eps> I think we're due for a Bay Area Debian Dinner.
[02:21] <pleia2> eps: yes, but I'll be on an airplane during the next one, so someone else has to handle that :)
[02:22] <pleia2> http://bad.debian.net/shotgun_rules.txt details how to go about it, if someone is interested
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[02:22] <pleia2> (and they can look in archives for my past announcements)
[02:24] <pleia2> any other events or thing coming up that anyone would like to talk about?
[02:25] <grantbow> noisebridge.net has a raspberrypi.org event in a week
[02:25] <pleia2> link?
[02:25] <eps> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/RaspberryPiEvent
[02:25] <darthrobot`> Title: [RaspberryPiEvent - Noisebridge]
[02:25] <pleia2> tsk, on my birthday :)
[02:26] <grantbow> happy early birthday
[02:26] <pleia2> I shall be celebrating the 6th anniversary of my 25th birthday!
[02:26] <pleia2> thanks
[02:27] <pleia2> I believe jyo still has a few pis around for sale
[02:27] <pleia2> mine is now next to my desktop, chugging away
[02:27] <eps> That's not a conflict. Free ice cream at the Powell and Rockridge BART stations from 1-4 p.m. are the conflict. :-)
[02:27] <grantbow> I have one on order. Who has one for sale?
[02:27] <pleia2> grantbow: jyo
[02:28] <pleia2> eps: haha
[02:28] <grantbow> ah
[02:28] <pleia2> powell isn't so far from noisebridge :)
[02:29] <pleia2> ok, I think we can wrap things up, unless anyone else has anything?
[02:29] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to email list to find someone to run leadership election
[02:29] <darthrobot`> ACTION: pleia2 to email list to find someone to run leadership election
[02:29] <eps> Can we outsource this to the Indiana LoCo?
[02:30] <pleia2> hah
[02:30] <eps> Just asking!
[02:30] <pleia2> I think some indianans still lurk on our mailing list ;)
[02:30] <pleia2> if anyone is in a support mood, this was posted on our forums earlier today: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2061865
[02:30] <darthrobot`> Title: [Software Center problems after Adobe Flash - possibly K3b - Ubuntu Forums]
[02:30] <pleia2> (our forums are rather quiet)
[02:31] <eps> We have forums?
[02:31] <pleia2> sure do!
[02:31] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone :)
[02:31] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[02:31] <darthrobot`> Meeting ended Mon Sep 24 02:31:42 2012 UTC.
[02:31] <darthrobot`> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2012/ubuntu-us-ca.2012-09-24-02.08.moin.txt
[02:32] <grantbow> eps: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/WhoDoesWhat
[02:32] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/WhoDoesWhat - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:32] <grantbow> Thanks pleia2
[02:32] <pleia2> grantbow: check your email! next friday - we need you and christian to +1 :)
[02:33] <pleia2> er, this friday
[02:33] <pleia2> the 28th
[02:34] <grantbow> pleia2: ok, I will find wifi and some peace to respond.
[02:34] <pleia2> :)
[02:39] <grantbow> the idle ratio during meeetings has increased though there are more idlers :-)
[02:51] <eps> Oh, dear. There may be Raspberry Pie against Raspberry Pi. http://www.brownpapertickets.com/event/263170
[02:51] <darthrobot`> Title: [Party on Block 18]
[04:32] <philballew> pleia2, ill do meeting logs for a while since your going to be leaving america?
[04:32] <pleia2> philballew: thanks, that would be great :)
[04:32] <pleia2> wanna run the meetings too?
[04:32] <philballew> Totally will
[04:33] <pleia2> you rock!
[04:33] <philballew> well theres one person.
[05:29] <bkerensa> pleia2: when do you leave?
[05:30] <pleia2> october 10th
[05:38] <bkerensa> pleia2: :) Do you plan to tourist at all?
[05:40] <pleia2> bkerensa: a little, we'll see what we have time for :)
[05:40] <pleia2> also some shopping!
[05:44] <bkerensa> :)
[08:53] <bkerensa> gnight
[12:07] <Darkwing> jyo: ping
[20:41] <pleia2> got my Visa for Ghana! I am going for real! :)
[20:44] <greg-g> pleia2: w00t!
[20:50] <bkerensa> yay
[23:48] <jyo> Darkwing: Hi.
[23:48] <Darkwing> jyo: you still have any of those pis left?
[23:49] <jyo> I have eight. dragon thinks he may want up to five.
[23:50] <Darkwing> I can't afford one till friday. Any way you can hold one for me?


[02:50] <EtienneG> who is the list moderator for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[03:41] <dendrobates> not me.
[03:43] <dendrobates> EtienneG: looks like it is Corey Burger
[03:43] <EtienneG> dendrobates, he is Burgundavia, right ?
[03:44] <dendrobates> EtienneG: yes
[03:53] <dendrobates> EtienneG: why
[03:53] <EtienneG> dendrobates, I have a long post in response to your email from this morning
[03:53] <EtienneG> it is stuck in the moderation queue
[03:54] <EtienneG> I could cancel and resend, but I would rather just have it approved
[04:06] <dendrobates> I did the same thing with my post.
[04:16] <robertj> between not knowing c and not knowing perl, I have spent 10x the effort figuring out whats going wrong with the perl stuff than the C stuff
[04:17] <dendrobates> robertj: so your saying C is easier to debug?
[04:17] <robertj> dendrobates: dunno, or maybe the tutorials are written by non-idiots
[04:18] <dendrobates> perhaps.  or at least fewer idiots.
[04:29] <zch> hi all
[04:49] <dendrobates> zch: hello
[04:52] <zch> dendrobates: I have read you mail
[04:53] <zch> dendrobates: will you lead the development of directory services for ubuntu?
[05:29] <dendrobates> zch: I will try to drive it,  but lead is a strong word.  :)
[05:29] <zch> ok  :) very good news
[05:30] <zch> so "directory services" has now a higher priority for Ubuntu/Canonical?
[05:36] <dendrobates> I am trying to make that the case.
[05:41] <zch> very good
[05:41] <zch> what about the "authtool"?
[05:45] <dendrobates> I see that fitting over this work, as a gui.  Authtool  does not configure /etc/ldap.conf, afaik.
[05:47] <dendrobates> I would like to pull the /etc/pam.d config bit out and make a wrapper tool that anything could use, like we do for inetd.
[05:47] <robertj> dendrobates: it appears that there is some place holder code for that
[05:48] <dendrobates> better to do it with debconf in a package, than the code will be easy to write.
[05:50] <dendrobates> I like the work done on authtool, and would like it to continue, but take advantage of the new packages.
[05:52] <zch> the meta-package with the debconf scripts and the ldap (pam, nss) -packages in main, would be a huge step forward
[05:52] <dendrobates> we could then do the same for AD.
[05:53] <dendrobates> I wanted to do the easiest first.  So we could see progress and attract others to help.
[05:55] <zch> ok, so the first works are packaging and debconf-scripts
[06:02] <dendrobates> yes.
[06:25] <zch> good bye


[01:37] <kwwii> andreasn: to be honest, I don't think we have to get rid of mist
[01:37] <kwwii> but crux and co can go ;)
[01:37] <andreasn> what ones are currently installed by default?
[01:38] <andreasn> crux, mist, glossy, clearlooks, glider, HighContrast
[01:38] <andreasn> did I miss someone?
[01:39] <kwwii> crux, glider an glossy can go, if you ask me
[01:39]  * _MMA_ says toss 'em all but Human, Clearlooks and HiContrast.
[01:39] <_MMA_> ;)
[01:40] <kwwii> _MMA_: but you are a long-haired metal head
[01:40] <SealV> screw it, just have redmond I say
[01:40] <_MMA_> kwwii: I *know* you've seen the pics with my hair gone. I shaved it almost a year ago. ;)
[01:41] <kwwii> no shit?
[01:41] <kwwii> honestly, I haven't seen them
[01:41]  * kwwii wishes he had hair to shave
[01:42]  * _MMA_ thinks he didn't put 'em on Flickr yet actually. (just new kids ones. http://www.flickr.com/photos/metalmusicaddict
[01:42] <kwwii> andreasn: so, we are honestly looking at taking out those themes and splitting thingssss
[01:43] <kwwii> man, I need to update my pics...it has been like 2 months
[01:43] <andreasn> I wouldn't really mind throwing some of them into -extras
[01:43] <kwwii> well, I know that I cannot change things upsteam
[01:43] <andreasn> I think you can actually
[01:43] <andreasn> thos is just a bit stubborn
[01:44] <kwwii> but maybe if ubuntu sets an example and leads things in advance for once
[01:45] <SealV> why glider?
[01:46] <kwwii> i am in the process of setting up a contest on deviantART as well as having contacted several design schools to fund projects around ubuntu design
[01:46] <andreasn> it does, in some places, like not showing app launchers for stuff like the pdf reader, image viewer and package app
[01:46] <andreasn> but upstream didn't apply those, either because they didn't notice
[01:46] <andreasn> or because noone offered patches
[01:46] <kwwii> SealV: heh? you are a glider fan?
[01:47] <SealV> clean, minimal, looks good with right fonts, yeah I guess so..
[01:47] <andreasn> so we might end up with the same situation with the themes, especially if we don't communicate with eachother
[01:47] <kwwii> andreasn: sure, and to be honest, at this point I am looking to find the most amazing artwork/mockups/etc that I can find
[01:47] <SealV> what about that willibex thing that went around
[01:48] <kwwii> andreasn: definitely
[01:48] <andreasn> I tried to look around a bit in the ubuntu wiki as well, but didn't find much that wasn't just a wallpaper and some other small thing
[01:48] <kwwii> SealV: did you see the wallpaper brief for the release?
[01:48] <kwwii> andreasn: yeah
[01:48] <SealV> wallpaper brief?
[01:49] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/jaunty_wallpaper.pdf
[01:49] <SealV> yup saw that
[01:49] <kwwii> it was posted to the art mailing list a while ago
[01:53] <andreasn> but it would be good to discuss what upstream and downstream want out of the gnome-themes package
[01:53] <andreasn> probably we have similar goals. if it turns out that they differ, it would be a good thing that ubuntu did it's own thing
[01:54] <andreasn> but otherwise we're just going to end up with a massive amount of bugs all over the place
[01:54] <andreasn> maybe the desktop summit would be a good place to discuss it?
[01:58] <andreasn> who is responsible for those menu changes btw? I wonder what the reason for not sending those upstream was. Was it the very stubborn group of people on desktop-devel-list (that never manages to come to real conclusions), or was it a active move to differentiate from the other distros, or just pure laziness?
[01:59] <SealV> oh hey! sorry to go all ADD: http://www.aldolat.it/grafica/jaunty-jackalope-cover-etichetta-poster/
[01:59] <SealV> how awesome is that? he mailed me a link
[02:01] <_MMA_> It's ok.  That's not to say it's a bad thing. Just that it's, ok. meh.
[02:02] <SealV> its awesome because he used miffan :P, I would have used a diff font
[02:02] <_MMA_> I also /think/ his reflection is off.
[02:02] <SealV> on the poster
[02:05] <SealV> so the deviantart idea is still around? I remember seeing that on brainstorm
[02:10] <kwwii> andreasn: at this point, I would be happy if they moved them anywhere
[02:10] <kwwii> oops
[02:12] <kwwii> booooaaahhhh, it is 3 am
[02:13] <andreasn> yes, I need to go to bed
[02:13] <andreasn> and you too
[02:13] <kwwii> andreasn: it would be a really good idea for us to tie things together
[02:13] <andreasn> yes, have a good nights sleep now!
[02:14] <kwwii> no doubt, I just got back from london at 1am
[02:14] <kwwii> see you soon
[03:16] <SealV> ideapurge: http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1235702538.png
[03:16] <SealV> critique?
[03:17] <_MMA_> "Days to go:" gets a little lost IMO. Maybe fill it in.
[03:22] <SealV> hmm better or worse? :http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1235704915.png
[03:25] <_MMA_> SealV: Little bit. Thing is, if the pencil lines on the smaller font matched the "30" on thickness you would be fine. The weight/strength on the text I think is lacking.
[03:26] <_MMA_> Maybe you could convert the text to path and stroke the test with the same color in order to thicken up the feel?
[03:26] <_MMA_> s/test/text
[03:27] <SealV> good idea,  think i understand what you mean
[03:29] <_MMA_> That's *if* you're doin' think in Inkscape. The page curl looks like a GIMP effect.
[03:32] <_MMA_> s/think/this
[12:35] <kwwii> erm, my email introducing julian_ didn't make it to the list, did it?
[12:35] <_MMA_> Not that I saw.
[12:36] <kwwii> hrm, I will have to resend it
[12:37] <kwwii> I just realized that like half of the emails I wrote yesterday did not make it
[12:38] <_MMA_> Ouch
[12:50] <julian_> kwwii: i'm inhere though :-)
[12:54] <thorwil> hello julian_. i saw your uds video. i'm curious to see how things will change now :)
[12:54] <thorwil> julian_: are you subscribed to the ubuntu-art mailing list?
[13:15] <kwwii> hrm, apparently most of my emails haven't been sent in the last two days :(
[13:16] <_MMA_> Odd
[13:16] <julian_> thorwil, hi - yes - kwwii subscribed me yesterday (right kwwii)?
[13:16] <_MMA_> kwwii: I thought you just didn't love us anymore. :(
[13:16] <kwwii> julian_: yepp
[13:16] <kwwii> _MMA_: I'll always have a special place in my heart for you, baby :)
[13:17] <_MMA_> ;)
[13:17] <julian_> kwwii, just while i'm here, could you take a look at the email i sent regarding the 3 artwork deadlines for rickspencer3?
[13:18] <SiDi> Does anyone mind checking this link : http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x0E5E4ECB and telling me if this key is present on the ubuntu keyserver ? i got port 11371 closed here
[13:18] <kwwii> julian_: yepp, responding now
[13:20] <julian_> kwwii, thanks.
[13:21] <_MMA_> SiDi: Links comes up no prob for me.
[13:21] <julian_> kwwii, also, the 1st release of the best of the best... (sorry)
[13:21] <kwwii> julian_: right, I wanted to ask you a couple of questions about taht
[13:21] <kwwii> that
[13:23] <julian_> go for it
[13:25] <SiDi> Thanks _MMA_ :)
[13:28] <SiDi> Be right back
[13:46] <SiDi> oh noes i have to go to a programming course in 14 mins :(
[15:39] <thorwil> kwwii: so, what's the situation with backgrounds?
[15:46] <kwwii> thorwil: I'm in the process of putting information together on this and other issues atm
[15:46] <thorwil> ok
[15:47] <kwwii> thorwil: I collected a bunch of pics and we went through them...there are good ideas and I'll highlight them, etc
[15:47] <SiDi> Who's made the Human Reprise theme ? can't find his name
[15:48] <kwwii> Sulley Mansford<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:48] <kwwii> erm
[15:48] <kwwii> that was not nice
[15:48] <kwwii> sorry
[15:48] <SiDi> huh ?
[15:48] <kwwii> I shouldn't have posted the email address like that
[15:49] <SiDi> well, true :)
[15:49] <SiDi> is it the theme's author, though? i won't mail him/her anyways, it's just that i posted a comment on the theme's wiki about a bug with firefox but apparently noone saw it
[15:49] <SiDi> thus i guess i'll just post on the mail list
[15:50] <thorwil> one of the participants in the free culture showcase complained that he saw an increase in spam because of having his email adress on the wiki
[15:51] <SiDi> well, i got my mail address all over launchpad, etc, and i dont receive spam
[15:51] <SiDi> sounds like i dont interest many persons :D
[15:52] <thorwil> my mail provider filters ... and i still have collected 865 mails in my junk folder
[15:53] <SiDi> and i complain about receiving 20 mails per day.. :D
[15:54] <thorwil> ah, finally i get to know who that Cory guy is!
[18:13] <americanportal> Hey guy
[18:13] <americanportal> s
[18:13] <americanportal> oops
[18:14] <americanportal> I need some feedback on the Wallpaper I just uploaded for Jaunty
[18:14] <americanportal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Wallpaper
[18:14] <americanportal> Let me know what you think
[18:44] <americanportal> Anyone get my message?
[19:50] <shadowh511> hey there
[19:51] <userofubuntu> Hi!
[19:53] <shadowh511> hows it going?
[19:53] <userofubuntu> great
[19:54] <userofubuntu> are you a contributer to ubuntu artwork?
[19:54] <shadowh511> yeah,
[19:54] <shadowh511> i just can't upload my submission to the wiki :P
[19:54] <userofubuntu> oh?
[19:55] <shadowh511> this is a n00b question, but how do you upload stuff 2 the wiki?
[19:55] <userofubuntu> well
[19:56] <userofubuntu> I had a bit of problems myself until I caught the hang of it
[19:56] <userofubuntu> what are you going to upload?
[19:57] <userofubuntu> have you created an account?
[19:57] <shadowh511> png image, firefox icon
[19:58] <kwwii> shadowh511: add "attachment:name_of_file" (replacing the name_of_file with the name you want to give the file on the wiki
[19:58] <userofubuntu> well you have to already have the file uploaded onto the wiki
[19:58] <kwwii> when you save it, the page will then show what to do to upload the file
[19:58] <userofubuntu> before you can do that
[19:59] <userofubuntu> Oh take that back then
[20:00] <shadowh511> nope, that didnt work :( u.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/New Firefox Icon For Edubuntu
[20:00] <shadowh511> wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/New Firefox Icon For Edubuntu
[20:00] <kwwii> userofubuntu: no, it should then show you a link in which you can upload the file
[20:01] <userofubuntu> oh ic
[20:01] <kwwii> shadowh511: {{attachment:testtest.png}} for instance
[20:01] <userofubuntu> shadow511: are spaces allowed like that?
[20:01]  * shadowh511 lsaps face
[20:03] <shadowh511> id didn't work
[20:04] <shadowh511> it*
[20:05] <kwwii> erm
[20:05] <kwwii> it hsould be [[attachment:filename.png]]
[20:05] <kwwii> then it will be a link when you save it
[20:05] <kwwii> with the name of the file
[20:05] <shadowh511> i used curly braces :D
[20:06] <userofubuntu> there's your problem
[20:07] <shadowh511> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/New Firefox Icon For Edubuntu
[20:07] <userofubuntu> it says it does not exist yet
[20:07] <userofubuntu> that is the webpage
[20:08] <kwwii> you're not getting all of the text
[20:08] <shadowh511> look in jaunty plz
[20:08] <shadowh511> i forgot how to change page names :D
[20:08] <kwwii> when I look at that page I see that I can click on the firefox.png link to upload the pic
[20:09] <kwwii> what is the problem?
[20:09] <userofubuntu> what is the title of your page?
[20:10] <shadowh511> idk, it wont upload 4 some reason
[20:10] <shadowh511> there, it works now
[20:10] <userofubuntu> oh there just saw it
[20:11] <shadowh511> do you like it?
[20:12] <userofubuntu> its alright yeah
[20:12] <kwwii> lol, don't think you're allowed to do that
[20:12] <userofubuntu> oh yes
[20:13] <kwwii> in fact, I know your not ;)
[20:13] <shadowh511> do what?
[20:13] <kwwii> change the firefox logo in any way
[20:13] <shadowh511> just in the icon theme
[20:13] <userofubuntu> shouldn't it be under edubuntu instead of ubuntu?
[20:13] <shadowh511> i added it to the edubuntu wiki
[20:14] <userofubuntu> k
[20:18] <shadowh511> kwwii:is it aginst the rules to change the firefox icon for edubuntu?
[20:19] <shadowh511> kwwii: is it aginst the rules to change the firefox icon for edubuntu?
[20:26] <swalko_> thorwill: hi
[20:27] <swalko_> thorwil: hi
[20:42] <thorwil> hi swalko_
[20:44] <swalko_> thorwil: now i am trying to do calculator icon
[20:44] <swalko_> thorwil: as base i used calc from oxygen and modified it
[21:12] <thorwil> giid night!
[21:12] <thorwil> good, even


[10:23] <mup> Bug #1502839 opened: CentOS node deployment fails <centos> <maas> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502839>
[12:17] <voidspace> daily-qa-ok doesn't have vivid builds?
[12:18] <voidspace> so if I need to test 1.9 I need to use dailybuilds?
[16:14] <voidspace> rvba: ping
[16:16] <voidspace> anyone able to help me un-screw a maas installation?
[17:08] <narindergupta> voidspace, whats the issue? I can give a try if i knows the answer?
[17:38] <voidspace> narindergupta: I use the dailybuilds ppa (because daily-qa-ok has no vivid build)
[17:38] <voidspace> narindergupta: occassionally migrations are added and then backed out
[17:38] <voidspace> which results in a screwed installation
[17:38] <narindergupta> voidspace, so you want to clean up?
[17:38] <voidspace> narindergupta: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12690416/
[17:40] <narindergupta> voidspace, i am not that expert but you can clean by using apt-get purge
[17:40] <voidspace> narindergupta: heh, no - the django db needs cleaning up
[17:41] <voidspace> but thanks
[17:41] <voidspace> gotta go
[17:41] <narindergupta> voidspace, ok in that case i do not have that expertize
[17:41] <voidspace> rvba is probably (possibly?) in Seattle this week, so I may be out of luck
[17:41] <voidspace> he's helped me with this in the past
[18:03] <binoy> how to get details using curl
[18:03] <binoy> from maas-api
[18:49] <stokachu> if you visit http://localhost/MAAS#/nodes it fails to connect to the websocket
[18:49] <stokachu> is that considered a bug and should it redirect to http://localhost/MAAS/#/nodes instead?
[18:51] <stokachu> roaksoax: ^
[22:04] <roaksoax> stokachu: http://localhost/MAAS#/nodes -> this never existd IMHO
[22:28] <mup> Bug #1424849 changed: "Permission Denied" while trying to configure the Windows Administrator Password after deployment completes with MAAS <hyperscale> <qa-missing> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1424849>
[22:28] <mup> Bug #1502566 changed: Rack ID for nodes <suggestions> <MAAS:Opinion> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502566>