[17:04] <rob0> Your console does not support UTF-8?
[17:05] <carmelita> Yes, but they are already UTF-8
[17:05] <carmelita> I don't really understand what I should do
[17:05] <Hukka> carmelita: You haven't explained why convmv doesn't work for you
[17:05] <rob0> If your console DOES support UTF-8, rename(1) and shell globbing will work.
[17:05] <carmelita> well, I converted all to UTF-8
[17:06] <carmelita> But the � is still there
[17:06] <carmelita> I have Kubuntu 9.10
[17:06] <carmelita> I was using PClinux before
[17:07] <carmelita> And all the files in my home directory have the � in every non ascii character
[17:07] <theyCallMeJohnny> menu.lst is gone, how do i add windows to the boot menu?
[17:07] <theyCallMeJohnny> it wasnt detected automatically
[17:07] <carmelita> And Dolphin or Krusader cannot edit, modify or do anything with those files
[17:07] <hifi> mbeierl: I meant the syntax how you interact with it
[17:08] <carmelita> Hukka: Do you understand?
[17:08] <rob0> for X in x y z ; do for Y in a b c ; rename $X $Y * ; done ; done
[17:08] <theyCallMeJohnny> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1268809
[17:08] <theyCallMeJohnny> k done
[17:09] <rob0> where you put a list of bad characters in place of "x y z" and the ones you want to replace with in place of "a b c"
[17:10] <rob0> ooops
[17:10] <carmelita> rob0: I'll try that
[17:10] <Hukka> carmelita: You didn't say how you actually converted them to uf-8
[17:10] <Hukka> utf-8
[17:10] <rob0> nested for loop, won't work quite right
[17:10] <carmelita> Hukka: They are already UTF-8!!
[17:10] <Hukka> 19:05 < carmelita> well, I converted all to UTF-8
[17:10] <Hukka> Sounds like you ran some command
[17:10] <rob0> but anyway, you can run the rename one character at a time
[17:11] <rob0> I could come up with a one-liner to do this, but it's not worth my time right now. :)
[17:11] <Hukka> This isn't really about Karmic anyway
[17:12] <rob0> true
[17:12] <carmelita> rob0: I only have one character that is making the problems: �
[17:12] <carmelita> rob0: Will this be ok? for X in � ; do for Y in _ ; rename $X $Y * ; done ; done
[17:13] <carmelita> I want to change all � to _
[17:13] <carmelita> Should that work?
[17:13] <rob0> okay, my terminal is not seeing what you want to change from
try it and see
[17:13] <rob0> you are running one command, you do not need the for
[17:13] <rob0> and definitely not the nested for
[17:14] <rob0> 16:10 < rob0> nested for loop, won't work quite right
[17:14] <carmelita> I want all files that have � to be changed to _
[17:14] <rob0> rename BAD GOOD *
[17:14] <rob0> rename x _ *
[17:14] <rob0> I can't see what you want to use for "x"
[17:15] <Guest15392> Hello, i was redirected to this cannel for support with Karmic. Nice to meet you guys. I have two questions, could someone help me out, please?
[17:15] <carmelita> i GOT THE FOLLOWING: Unrecognized character \xEF in column 1 at (eval 1) line 1.
[17:15] <ck773> !ask
[17:15] <Guest15392> okay, got it ubottu ;)
[17:15] <Guest15392> Thank you Takeon. My first question: I have enabled Vsync in Ubuntu via Compiz, without it, the tearing was just too much. It's okay now, for the desktop, but I still have minimal tearing in videos - especially on a 26" fullhd. I have also enabled it in the nvidia-settings for both, opengl and video, those settings don't do anything at all. So, how can I enable full vsync for videos? My second question: I am using karmic beta right now, couldn't wait.
[17:15] <Guest15392> copied and pasted it
[17:16] <carmelita> rob0: reanme doens't get the special character that you cannot see in your terminal
[17:18] <rob0> try quoting, enclose it in '', if that does not work, I don't know.
[17:18] <carmelita> It,s a questionmark inside a Rhombus
[17:18] <rob0> enclose the special character
[17:19] <carmelita> rob0: I always get the following: Unrecognized character \xEF in column 1 at (eval 1) line 1.
[17:20] <dan_M> carmelita: $man sed or awk
[17:21] <rob0> Or maybe the kind folks in #bash will have ideas.
[17:21] <rob0> If UTF-8 isn't working for rename(1), it probably won't work for other GNU coreutils.
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> a ? inside a box  hmmm
[17:22] <carmelita> Dr_Willis: Yes but the corners are on top and bottom
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> Well thats not the same thing ive seen with bad filesystems.
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> i dont use other languages at all. so not sure if it could be a language setting or not.
[17:23] <carmelita> Dr_Willis: I can move the files with mv from the console
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> but the funny char stays?
[17:24] <Guest15392> Hm, that vsync thing seems to be a problem. Anyone a suggestion? I have read through a bunch of guides and tipps but nothing seems to help. It's strange though, because the nvidia options do have a setting for that, but it doesn't seem to work. I had the same problem with Jaunty.
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> Id be curious if you made/tried a totally new user - if the names would look right to him.
[17:25] <Half-Left> OK, I'm about to cry or blow up with anger because you guys decided to ship Inkscape snapshots.
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> Demand a refund ? :)
[17:25] <rob0> "You guys"?
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> !info inkscape
[17:25] <Half-Left> For sure!
[17:25]  * rob0 hands Half-Left a tissue
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> pre-4  thats somthing ive not seen befor.
[17:26] <Half-Left> I hope it gets to stable before your out od beta
[17:26] <Half-Left> of*
[17:26] <Half-Left> Becuase yet again it's useless for me, since you ship a version with breaks qsvg
[17:26] <Hukka> Half-Left: You do realize that when you say "you" it means _you_ as much as everyone else on this channel
[17:27] <Half-Left> which*
[17:27] <IdleOne> I had nothing to do with so don't mix me in with them
[17:27] <vanishing> sup everybody
[17:27] <IdleOne> I told them but they would not listen and said we don't care we want to make Half-Left's life miserable :P
[17:27] <Dr_Willis> Half-Left:  i doubt if the version is going to change in the next 7 days
[17:28] <Half-Left> Right, I'm blaming everyone :)
[17:28] <Dr_Willis> Blame me for everything.. My wife does...
[17:28] <vanishing> did anyone try firefox-3.7 in karmic?
[17:28] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: we married the same woman?
[17:28]  * Half-Left points at Dr_Willis
[17:29]  * Dr_Willis has a Tee shirt - 'You dident listen to me.. but its still MY fault?'
[17:29] <Half-Left> Dr_Willis: I hope it gets fixed before release because it will make many KDE4/Qt people doing artwork pissed.
[17:29] <syk> they must be about to release rc
[17:29] <Dr_Willis> Half-Left:  rc1 is out today - so i doubt if anythign is going to change.
[17:30] <syk> download page for desktop is down for me
[17:30] <syk> :P
[17:30] <SoftwareExplorer> Half-Left: all you can probably do is hope for a different version in backports
[17:30] <Guest15392> Okay, maybe someone could help me with something else. When I try to change and save my monitor changes in nvidia-settings I get this error: Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'!   PS: Is the rc out already? I am on Karmic beta, how can I upgrade to the rc?
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> servers have been getting updated  I think. Been down/slow for a lot of people.
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> 25th person to ask if the rc is out... so far.
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> but whos counting.
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> and YES you can upgrade.. thats a MAIN point to the package manager system
[17:31] <syk> :P
[17:31] <Guest15392> hehe, well, that happens, when you get to love Ubuntu ;) (okay, mybe not love, but ...appriciate it)
[17:32] <Half-Left> SoftwareExplorer: Well Fedora have done the same, the bug has been reported to them, so hopefully it will go upstream
[17:32] <syk> indeed
[17:32] <Hukka> Guest15392: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/286424
[17:32] <SoftwareExplorer> I don't think it is out yet because ubuntu.com/testing/910rc is still saying page not found.
[17:32] <Dr_Willis> thats means it will be fixed in the next 6mo release :)
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> every time someone asks if its out.. they delay it another 1/2 hr.
[17:33] <Hukka> ubottu: Good boy!
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:33] <SoftwareExplorer> Dr_Willis: Yikes!
[17:33]  * Half-Left will have to get a 0.46 deb from somewhere
[17:33] <Guest15392> Hm, I see. I'm still working on everything, I am one of those windows and mac switchers :) All new territory for me. Thank you ubottu, what does that mean? Is there a workaround av. ?
[17:33] <Armageddon> Guys, Bluetooth used to work on 8.10 but stopped working for a while on 9.04 and back again for a while, I updated then it stopped working, and on Karmic it doesn't anymore either, any idea ? I have AMD64 with x86_64 Kernel and a Phoenix BIOS
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> !bot
[17:34] <Hukka> Guest15392: If you read the page you can notice that running gksu nvidia-settings should help, IIRC
[17:34] <Guest15392> Great, I was talking to a BOT - awesome ^^
[17:34] <Guest15392> Ah, thank you for the tipp Hukka! =)
[17:34] <Jeruvy> Guest15392: you could do worse ;)
[17:34] <Dr_Willis> In most cases you always want to run gksudo nvidia-settings (or run it as root some other way)  -  Unless of course you want some setting just for a specific user i guess...
[17:35] <SoftwareExplorer> Guest15392: So he passed a turing test for awhile
[17:35] <Hukka> Guest15392: At least I think I resolved it that way. Or maybe I created the xorg.conf manually... not sure
[17:35] <Hukka> SoftwareExplorer: Failed only by being honest :)
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> I had to copy over my old xorg.conf from 9.04 to get nvidia-settings working right for me.
[17:35] <Guest15392> I see, Dr_Willis. I'll try it out right away and tell you, if it worked. Btw, do you guys have any vsync probs with videos? Do you get any tearing at all?
[17:36] <pitwalker> how can I switch back GRUB's delay?
[17:36] <SoftwareExplorer> Hukka: Yep! :)
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> i get tearing in every video on every os :) i dont even notice it much any more :)
[17:36] <Cyr4x> http://www.wklej.org/id/182041/
[17:36] <Hukka> Guest15392: Nope, none
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> I even notice it on my PS2/Wii :)
[17:36] <Cyr4x> any solution for that?
[17:37]  * Half-Left wishes distros wouldn't ship stable versions and not snapshots or alpha/beta software with impending stable releases.
[17:37] <Cyr4x> nvidia card + 185 drivers
[17:37] <Hukka> Guest15392: What kind of monitor/connector do you use?
[17:37] <Cyr4x> glx in xorg is loaded
[17:37] <Cyr4x> xorg.conf i mean
[17:37] <Cyr4x> reinstalling drivers doesn't help
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> reinstalling to 'fix' things is windows thinking. :)
[17:38] <Half-Left> would*
[17:38] <Hukka> Dr_Willis: And nVidia is closest to windows you can get in linux...
[17:38] <Dr_Willis> Hukka:  i think ati is closer.. :)
[17:38] <Hukka> Cyr4x: Have you used the nvidia provided installer?
[17:38] <Hukka> That usually breaks things quite well
[17:38] <Cyr4x> i'll try
[17:38] <Guest15392> On every OS? Oh, thats not good ^^ On my mac and Vista I didn't have anything of that, that's why we noticed it so fast. I want to get my school to move to Ubuntu, but they watch videos all the time, so it would be nice, if videos wouldn't get that tearing. Vsync in Compiz helps out for the windows, but the videos, thats a big "?" for me ^^ I wonder why the nvidia settings don't apply it to the videos. Hukka, I am using a Fujitsu Siemens 26" fullhd vi
[17:38] <Hukka> Cyr4x: No! Don't!
[17:38] <Hukka> Cyr4x: Just wanted to check if you already had :)
[17:39] <Cyr4x> i'll try to install v173
[17:39] <Cyr4x> maybe it will help
[17:39] <Hukka> Guest15392: You're lines are a tad too long if IRC
[17:39] <Cyr4x> but i've used 180 in 9.04 and was ok
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> I doubt if most people even notice the tearing. of course many video players also have features that help reduce it as well. vlc/mplayer and so on have a lot of filters/enhancements.
[17:39] <Cyr4x> after upgrade to karmic isn't
[17:39] <Hukka> Guest15392: "using a Fujitsu Siemens 26" fullhd vi" and a break
[17:39] <syk> yay
[17:39] <syk> rc is ready
[17:39] <Armageddon> Guys, Bluetooth used to work on 8.10 but stopped working for a while on 9.04 and back again for a while, I updated then it stopped working, and on Karmic it doesn't anymore either, any idea ? I have AMD64 with x86_64 Kernel and a Phoenix BIOS, if no one knows then tell me...
[17:40] <Guest15392> ah okay, the rest was: Hukka, I am using a Fujitsu Siemens 26" fullhd via VGA.
[17:40] <Hukka> Guest15392: Ah, VGA :/
[17:40] <Hukka> Guest15392: Why not digital?
[17:40] <Hukka> Maybe that would help?
[17:40] <Dr_Willis> If you can use DVI.. use DVI :) definatly
[17:40] <Armageddon> !dev
[17:40] <Hukka> ubottu: Sorry, too busy
[17:41] <Dr_Willis> !bot
[17:41] <Hukka> I wonder if it would be difficult to have ubottu reply with eliza logic for everything not in database :?
[17:41] <vanishing> Hukka: lol..he is just a bot..
[17:41] <Guest15392> Dr_Willis, on big screens, you see it right away. I did, it's because one is used to it. Once it's gone, you see it right away. Switchers tend to see that kind of stuff ;) I am using a laptop for the two screens. The internal laptop display is connected digital, but it doesn't help much. Tearing is still there.
[17:41] <Hukka> vanishing: Of course he is, but he still has feelings!
[17:42] <frewsxcv> is the relase candidate out yet?
[17:42]  * Dr_Willis adds +1 to the count of people asking if its out yet..
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> that delays it another hr. :)
[17:42] <syk> its out
[17:42] <syk> im downloading
[17:42] <Hukka> frewsxcv: And you check here, not from the website, because...?
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> !release
[17:42] <syk> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[17:43] <mbeierl> oh.  is today getting close to some sort of release?  Is that why there are no updates recently?
[17:43] <frewsxcv> Hukka, because i don't know if this is the release candidate? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[17:43] <Half-Left> Dr_Willis: Can you consider shipping 0.46 of Inkscape?
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> Half-Left:  I can consider it.. but it wont do any good.. since i dont even use inkscape :)
[17:43] <blueglasses> I'm having some aparent security issues related to cups (definitelly), pulseaudio (strange behaviour) and possibly samba
[17:43] <ck773> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[17:44] <Guest15392> I have also tried it with a FX 5900 Ultra and DVI, it still got the tearing. So, I guess, it has to be something else.
[17:44] <mbeierl> syk: btw, that's not the release.  It's an RC, which is still half-beta.  Gamma, maybe?
[17:44] <Hukka> Half-Left: In case you missed the sarcasms, we are just a bunch of people here
[17:44] <blueglasses> gnome has just restarted without asking
[17:44] <syk> mbeierl, yeah
[17:44] <Hukka> Half-Left: In no way do we represent the release team nor every single packet
[17:44] <Hukka> Half-Left: Hell, or even Canonical! At least I don't
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> Some of us are barely even human.
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> !botsnack
[17:45] <Hukka> moo!
[17:45] <Half-Left> No no one works here for Canonical?
[17:45] <Half-Left> So*
[17:45] <Half-Left> packages?
[17:45] <blueglasses> !moo
[17:45] <ck773> yeah...i would say point them to http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[17:46] <Hukka> Half-Left: Even if they did, you think they could answer the question about a particular packet with a high probability?
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> Ive never seen anyone in here claim they worked for Cononical
[17:46] <ck773> cause the file says rc
[17:46] <mistya> hi there,
[17:46] <mbeierl> !life
[17:46] <mistya> I want move the "notify-osd" for pidgin higher. How do I do?
[17:46] <Hukka> Half-Left: If you really care, why don't you go to launchpad
[17:46] <mistya> Are too low
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> Theres very likely PPA's for the lastest release of many packages also.
[17:46] <JoshuaL> the top panel stays on top when watching a movie full screen in mplayer
[17:47] <gotunandan> I think its better to spread the use of the torrents rather than the ISO images ?
[17:47] <mbeierl> mistya: I think it's supposed to be there - change your volume or brightness and those notifications show in the topmost pos
[17:47] <JoshuaL> can anyone confirm this?
[17:47] <Half-Left> Hukka: So ok, I'll create 50 bug report accounts for each distro that ships the same buggy Inkscape version, right....
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> JoshuaL:   which mplayer? gnome-mplayer   no gui mplayer, or smplayer? Ive not noticed that issue here.
[17:47] <emin> hi all
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> Half-Left:  go for it!
[17:47] <JoshuaL> the default one in 9.10 Dr_Willis
[17:47] <Hukka> Half-Left: Are you telling me that you are complaining about this on 50 different distro channels, all full of normal users like you?
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> JoshuaL:  the default video player is Totem. not mplayer I think
[17:48] <JoshuaL> most likely gnome-mplayer then
[17:48] <Hukka> Talking about !life...
[17:48] <mistya> mbeierl, OK, but I do not like.  Why did you ship a broken DKMS in Karmic beta!
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> JoshuaL:  i perfer vlc. heh. or gmplayer. or smplayer. Good Luck
[17:49] <JoshuaL> but you have the same issue too with mplayer? i have it with totem
[17:49] <duncan_> sometimes I really wonder why I bother with 64 bit *shakes head*
[17:49] <emin> does anyone know how i can fix the brightness problem. the brightness is going higher and lower every second.
[17:49] <JoshuaL> Dr_Willis, normally i use vlc :)
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> JoshuaL:  ive never noticed the issue. I watch videos full screen all day at work. :)
[17:49] <mistya> mbeierl, You're saying that it is a feature not a bug?
[17:49] <Half-Left> Hukka: I'm a KDE games/plasma graphic artist
[17:50] <mbeierl> duncan_: 'cos you can laugh at all those people that have 64 bit pcs with 32 bit os's like Windows
[17:50] <Hukka> Half-Left: So, you're saying that you are on this channel and even so you are not responsible for what was shipped in Karmic?
[17:50] <mbeierl> mistya: yes, I think it's on purpose.  I have not looked to see if there's a bug reported about it
[17:50] <mistya> there is a way to change this feature/bug?
[17:51] <duncan_> mbeierl, yeah but it seems hollow when nsplugin crashes left and right, to the extent I want to slam my head into the desk... and the 64bit alpha of flash can't even load anything but youtube for me without crashing firefox entirely
[17:51] <Half-Left> Hukka: I'm asking for info and if anyone can help the situation. Obviously Ubuntu didn't test that package
[17:51] <mbeierl> mistya: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1277268 for a discussion of it :)
[17:52] <mistya> mbeierl, thanks. I owe you an orange
[17:52] <Hukka> Half-Left: So here's the info, go to launchpad if you want the relevant people to know!
[17:53] <mbeierl> duncan_: there's a problem with gtk that makes flash and java have some issues too... where the mouse click gets swallowed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/452938
[17:53] <Hukka> Asking for info?
[17:53] <Martin_vW> mvo: I've now disabled the assistive technologies on my tablet. I'll alert you in a few days whether this has changed anything.
[17:53] <Half-Left> ugh, so yet another bug report then
[17:53] <leftyfb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/449198
[17:53] <leftyfb> anyone have a fix for that yet?
[17:53] <leftyfb> can't believe it's not fixed in RC
[17:53] <wamty> 7 days until new ubuntu!
[17:53] <duncan_> mbeierl, aye, when I have compiz turned on I get that, yet when using mutter or metacity with no compositing my mouse clicks go through
[17:54] <Hukka> Half-Left: What did you expect? That launchpad is there just to decoy lUsers and all the real communication happens here on #ubuntu+1?
[17:54] <Hukka> Half-Left: People here can help with problems with sw, but we don't have any more influence on the releases than you do
[17:54] <mbeierl> duncan_: really?!?  I gotta try that 'cos I'm a java programmer by trade and Eclipse is nearly unusable right now :(  (Stupid me puts Karmic on his primary work laptop)
[17:54] <kaddi> hi guys. I was wondering if anyone has been using a WD passport essential under ubuntu and if it's running fine? Official info only says compatible MS/Apple.
[17:55] <robin0800> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[17:55] <leftyfb> kaddi: it's just a mass storage device, it should be fine
[17:55] <Guest15392> Okay, I am BACK. I fixed the problem with the "Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'!" error. If someone else should ask, all you have to do is -> sudo nvidia-xconfig  and then it should detect the "error" (default display/screen was missing) and make a new file for you to write in. Then you do the normal sudo nvidia-settings and save your settings a usual.
[17:55] <ck773> yeah, they warned you not to put it on production machines
[17:55] <duncan_> mbeierl, I have karmic on my primary work laptop :) but 32bit, running 64bit on my desktop
[17:55] <Guest15392> First prob. gone :)
[17:55] <Half-Left> Hukka: I wanted to talk to a dev about it a bug report is useless because it doesn't stop them shipping a buggy snapshot
[17:55]  * mbeierl just thinks that even alpha Ubuntu is more stable than released MS
[17:56]  * darthanubis agrees with mbeierl
[17:56] <Hukka> Half-Left: Telling the dev "You fucked up" doesn't sound like a much better approach
[17:56] <mbeierl> !language
[17:57] <ioka> is there an easy way to go back to old grub loader where there is menu.list
[17:57] <Half-Left> Hukka: Doesn't it? You shipped a buggy snapshot of unreleased software with your stable release, right....
[17:57] <kaddi> leftyfb: yes it should be, but I would like to be sure before I blow a heap of money on something that won't work under ubuntu ;)
[17:57] <ioka> noone has written tutorial about the new grub.All the info in the net is about menu.list and old grub
[17:57] <ioka> I need to go to the old one
[17:57] <mbeierl> ioka: don't know about going back, but the grub menu is controlled by /etc/default/grub
[17:57] <Hukka> Half-Left: I can't believe this... Here you go again blaming other users for what happens in ubuntu releases
[17:57] <mbeierl> !grub2
[17:57] <Half-Left> Hukka: It's the lastest craze putting users at risk.
[17:58] <Half-Left> Hukka: Not just Ubuntu actually
[17:58] <Jeruvy> Half-Left: even on release day there will be bugs, and updates will be released
[17:58] <rob0> Half-Left, you keep saying "You," and I wonder who you think you are addressing?
[17:58] <darthanubis> ioka, noone? http://grub.enbug.org/Manual
[17:58] <darthanubis> leave the FUD at the door
[17:58] <PolitikerNEU> mbeierl: Sorry, but IMHO even beta Windows 7 was more stable than Ubuntu 9.10 RC - and Ubuntu 9.04 for me
[17:59] <Half-Left> Jeruvy: That's the typical excuse yes
[17:59] <darthanubis> PolitikerNEU, hillarious
[17:59] <UnNaturalHigh> Anyone here having major problems with iwl wireless drivers?
[17:59] <UnNaturalHigh> this is the first time I have been able to connect wirelessly in two days
[17:59] <ioka> ubuntu will have a lot more satisfied new users if it comes with the old grub.
[17:59] <Jeruvy> PolitikerNEU: I'd disagree, but everyone has there own experiences.
[17:59] <darthanubis> ioka, get over it
[17:59] <Half-Left> Jeruvy: Why not use that excuse and ship alpha sofeward for stable releases, oh wait, distros do.
[17:59] <ioka> I'll propose to packed it up with old grub, not the grub2 or grub-pc
[18:00] <Half-Left> software*
[18:00] <ck773> and they complained when we switched from lilo to grub...
[18:00] <darthanubis> ioka, you'll be rightly ignored
[18:00] <Jeruvy> Half-Left: not excuse, fact of life.   But I'm failing to see what your actual point is.
[18:00]  * darthanubis I see trolls
[18:00] <Half-Left> Jeruvy: The pint if distros shipping unstable, unreleases sofwtare with their stavle version
[18:00] <Half-Left> point*
[18:01] <Half-Left> Point is*
[18:01] <ioka> thank god there is a grub in software channel
[18:02] <rob0> I guess he's ignoring me. I think the point is valid, but what is silly is coming in here to fuss about it, this being a user channel.
[18:02] <Half-Left> If I didn't have a point, I wouldn't be in here but I see the usual excuses are here ready.
[18:03] <Hukka> darthanubis: I'm leaning to the same conclusion
[18:03] <mbeierl> ioka: why do you think NEW users will know the difference between grub and grub-pc?
[18:03] <Half-Left> Never mind, nothing you can do about it as said
[18:03] <darthanubis> Hukka, I think the Windows 7 release today might have a lot to do with it?
[18:04] <rob0> Half-Left, vote with your feet.
[18:04] <darthanubis> please
[18:04] <darthanubis> exit stage LEFT
[18:04] <NRVate> microsoft ships alpha software as a stable release every other distro
[18:04] <NRVate> look at vista sp0, win2k sp0, win95 sp0, etc..
[18:05] <darthanubis> NRVate, +1
[18:05] <NRVate> hehe
[18:05] <NRVate> im still laughing at win7
[18:05] <NRVate> why win7
[18:05] <NRVate> its WIN 6.1!!!
[18:05] <Guest15392> I am one of those new users and I can assure you, a lot of things aren't that important. The first impression counts. It has to look good, be fast (not the fastest) and stable. I think the new bootup stuff awesome. Beeing a windows and mac power-user, it really looks nice.
[18:05] <Hukka> Why talk about win anything HERE!
[18:05] <NRVate> because it makes me giggle hukka :D
[18:05] <darthanubis> Thats what trolls do
[18:05] <Jeruvy> #defocus is more suitable :)
[18:06] <darthanubis> !off topic
[18:06] <darthanubis> !OT
[18:06] <NRVate> lol
[18:07] <NRVate> k, good luck with your release then.
[18:09] <u-foka> Hy!
[18:09] <darthanubis> !hi
[18:10] <u-foka> How can I enter to the grub menu if it won't shown at boot by default?
[18:10] <u-foka> grub2 :)
[18:10] <darthanubis> u-foka, have you tried ESC?
[18:10] <darthanubis> !grub
[18:10] <joaopinto> u-foka, shitft
[18:10] <joaopinto> shift
[18:11] <joaopinto> darthanubis, that link does not help with grub2
[18:11] <joaopinto> !grub2
[18:11] <u-foka> darthanubis, yes... my note started beeping because of the full input buffer, and then a normal boot occured :(
[18:11] <u-foka> thanks joaopinto
[18:11] <benste11> hi, I plugged in my camera and it is detected as digital audio player which contains music and photo files, what could I change to let the system detect this cam attached to USB as camera ?
[18:11] <darthanubis> joakim-, didn't think it would sine it did not say grub2. But you type faster than I, so it all worked out
[18:13] <darthanubis> joakim-, sorry that was for joaopinto
[18:14] <spasticteapot> Does anyone know if support for USB and firewire soundcards has been improved?
[18:14] <mbeierl> u-foka: it's SHIFT, not escape
[18:15] <Bodsda> anyone got the download link to hand?
[18:15] <snowball> anyone type gnome-shell yet? let me know your thoughts
[18:16] <spasticteapot> Is anyone here using a FireWire soundcard?
[18:17] <duncan_> snowball, I'm liking gnome shell alot aside from the fact task switching and viewing open windows without hotkeys is nearly impossible (I use hotkeys but I like to be able to see what I have open in a workspace)
[18:17] <duncan_> nor is opening the overview a sane solution each time you want to change windows
[18:18] <snowball> duncan_: have you try alt+tab and hovering over your apps
[18:19] <spasticteapot> Is anyone here using an external soundcard?
[18:19] <duncan_> snowball, alt tab works fine, best implementation of it I like, but I'm missing my taskbar with open windows listed, and as for non power users, using hotkeys isn't intuitive to switch windows
[18:20] <ninjah> The default system beet is set to full blast. How do I fix this?
[18:20] <darthanubis> ninjah, turn it down
[18:20] <ninjah> how do I do that?
[18:20] <duncan_> snowball, or rather, best implementation of alt tab I have seen
[18:20] <darthanubis> ninjah, you know, with volume controls?????
[18:20] <mbeierl> ninjah: are you talking about the "pc speaker" beep?
[18:20] <ninjah> darthanubis: Doesn't seem to have an effect
[18:21] <snowball> duncan_: got it, maybe including the option to add custom panels that would auto update on each desktop?
[18:21] <ninjah> mbeierl: I think so.
[18:21] <mbeierl> darthanubis: if it's the pc speaker beep that's outside of volume control
[18:21] <darthanubis> mbeierl, I know this
[18:21] <mbeierl> ninjah: what I ended up doing was removing the pcspkr module because mine kept giving me a heart attack:  sudo modprobe -r pcskpr
[18:21] <ninjah> mbeirerl, darthanubis: Its the beep I get in a terminal window or in empathy
[18:22] <duncan_> snowball, correct, and have the option to have the panel list windows in workspace or all, as I prefer to keep my workspaces seperate but I know people who like to be able to alt tab and click through items in all workspaces at once
[18:22] <ninjah> mbeierl: Sweet! I'll give that a try. And ya, I'm gonna get a heart attack my self.
[18:22] <mbeierl> ninjah: sorry that should be "sudo modprobe -r pcspkr" not pcskpr
[18:23] <snowball> ducan_: super for all, all for single workspace?
[18:23] <snowball> ducan_: alt*
[18:23] <mbeierl> ninjah: you can add that to /etc/rc.local to prevent it from coming back after reboot, or (and I did not figure this one out) you could blacklist the module
[18:23] <duncan_> snowball, sounds about right
[18:23] <ninjah> mbeierl: that didn't work
[18:23] <mbeierl> lsmod | grep pc
[18:23] <snowball> ducan_: thanks for the feedback
[18:24] <mbeierl> ninjah: ^
[18:24] <duncan_> snowball,  :) no problem
[18:24] <spasticteapot> Does anyone here know if JACK works with 9.10?
[18:24] <ninjah> mbeierl: I got a bunch of snd_ modules
[18:24] <darthanubis> mbeierl, the terminal and empathy does not use the PC speaker
[18:25] <mbeierl> ninjah: but no pcspkr.  Ok, so that confirms it - like darthanubis said - it's not the pc speaker then, sorry
[18:25] <darthanubis> ninjah, install gnome-alsamixer and play with those levels
[18:25] <ninjah> darthanubis: Okay
[18:25] <darthanubis> !info gnome-alsamixer
[18:26] <ninjah> darthanubis: The sound controls don't have any effect. Installing gnome-alsamixer.
[18:27] <Martyn> now that we have the RC release .. I was expecting to have to do a dist-upgrade
[18:27] <Martyn> no updates in 48 hours though.
[18:27] <darthanubis> Martyn, I keep up with updates, so I have nothing to update at the moment
[18:28] <darthanubis> Martyn, as far as we are concerned, we are probably already at RC;)
[18:28] <mbeierl> Martyn: usually the rc is announced after a period of inactivity to ensure that the rc is going to be stable.  no sense in putting in a last minute change, announcing, then realizing that there's a bug
[18:29] <ninjah> darthanubis: Sweet! alsamixer works. I checked mute on pc beep
[18:29] <ninjah> no more beep
[18:29] <martalli> They probably also want to make sure that the CDs themselves will be fine
[18:29] <darthanubis> ninjah, ;) told ya:)
[18:29] <ninjah> Now I can get work done without getting shocked every few minutes
[18:29] <Martyn> AFIK I'd agree .. but I downloaded the RC dist, and did various md5 file comparisons.. there are differences
[18:29] <ninjah> darthanubis: I did that in the sound prefs but it didn't work
[18:29] <mbeierl> so technically we're at the rc slightly ahead of the announcement if we're keeping up to date
[18:29] <Martyn> so the RC available on the testing site != the installed state of this karmic beta machine after updates
[18:30] <ninjah> Guess the sound prefs are kinda broken
[18:30] <ninjah> Thanks all... Back to work I go
[18:30] <darthanubis> cheers
[18:30] <Martyn> mbeierl: It would be a BIT late now, wouldn't it?  Now that the various rsync'ed repositories have snatched the RC?
[18:30] <Martyn> (to do a last-minute anything)
[18:31] <localuser> is ibm lotus symphony goin to be in 9.10 repos?
[18:31] <darthanubis> !symphony
[18:31] <mbeierl> Martyn: what I meant was there are no updates for a while, then the RC is announced/released
[18:31] <Martyn> localuser : Why would it be in the repos?
[18:31] <BluesKaj> !lotus
[18:31] <Martyn> mbeierl: Ahh .. yes, sure.   So it's the same as a freeze
[18:31] <localuser> Martyn: because its been in them, and i loved that soft
[18:31] <darthanubis> proprietary stuff usually is NOT in the repos
[18:31] <martalli> Supposedly, IBM and Canonical are going to work together to get more corporations on Linux instead of Windows
[18:31] <localuser> they were
[18:32] <Martyn> localuser : That kind of thing is in the thirdparty repos
[18:32] <martalli> It might be included in the partner repo, though
[18:32] <mbeierl> Martyn: yes.  so that's what I meant by technically updated beta users get the rc and final slightly ahead of the release announcement
[18:32] <localuser> ubuntu partner repos i believe
[18:32] <Martyn> localuser: So, I assume anything in the thirdparty repos that 9.10 doesn't break, will still be there
[18:32] <Martyn> mbeierl: Then I'm worried.
[18:33] <localuser> i hope they add it
[18:33] <mbeierl> Martyn: why?  I didn't quite follow what you were saying about noting a difference in md sums
[18:33] <localuser> lotus has better ms office support than openoffice
[18:33] <Martyn> I just did a full system md5 checksum on files .. there's about 8% files that are different on a 16GB installed desktop.. all of which are files tracked by dpkg
[18:33] <Martyn> I would expect my beta system w/ updates to be the same (signature wise) as files that are coming in from the CD
[18:34] <Martyn> (not including configuration files, etc)
[18:34] <frandieguez> Sorry for the noise... but when karmic rc will be released?
[18:34] <mbeierl> Martyn: unless... they held back a package or two maybe?
[18:34] <Martyn> frandieguez: It's already released
[18:34] <BluesKaj> lotus 123 ..hated it
[18:34] <Martyn> mbeierl: I think so.  quite a few packages from the look of it
[18:34] <martalli> Martyn, updated packages won't have the same MD5 sum as the original packages on the CD, right?
[18:35] <Martyn> martalli : Yes, they will.   If the dpkg is the same, the files should be identical
[18:35] <joaopinto> localuser, right, but lotus is also much worse from an usability perspective
[18:35] <localuser> that deppends
[18:35] <frandieguez> Martyn, I have beta installed but doesn't appear any update...
[18:35] <localuser> some users like me would find it quite usefull
[18:36] <Martyn> oh gods, look .. take the lotus flamewar elsewhere.  that discussion belongs in a standard #ubuntu chat channel at BEST
[18:36] <localuser> like some users find gnome more usefull than kde
[18:36] <Martyn> frandieguez: I was also commenting on the same thing
[18:36] <Martyn> frandieguez: However, it seems that we are at 'rc' a little earlier than the CD release
[18:36] <martalli> The old Lotus 1-2-3 for DOS had quite a heinous interface, but when you consider the limited screensapce, the minimalist interface was actually a pretty good idea
[18:36] <Martyn> frandieguez: Via the updates mechanism (and that's why there have been no updates for 36 hours)
[18:36] <mbeierl> frandieguez: there has not been update for 24-48 hours now as there was a bit of a freeze prior to releasing the RC.  they want to give time to ensure the rc as sent out to us via updates is going to be stable
[18:36] <BluesKaj> no updates yet , but the RC is supposed to be released today...sometime or other
[18:37] <localuser> never mind, i dont mind the opinion about lotus, just wondering if it will be in the repos or not
[18:37] <Martyn> BluesKaj : Its already released ... you can download the CD images (and torrent them) right .. this .. seconed
[18:37] <Martyn> Someone needs to change the topic
[18:37] <localuser> i know some developers are here
[18:37] <mbeierl> and then once the RC is out for a bit, the floodgates open and WHAM you're gonna see a bunch of updates again :)
[18:37] <Hukka> localuser: I don't know about anything, but considering the IBM-Canonical deal, I think it will
[18:37] <localuser> i cant wait until final release or download the .deb from lotus web page
[18:37] <Martyn> localuser : Let me ask you a different question -- have you installed karmic?  and did you look to see if that package was there?
[18:37] <BluesKaj> Martyn, I'm not installing images , I'm upgrading from the repos
[18:38] <Martyn> If it's not, we're getting to the point where it's much too late to add it
[18:38] <Martyn> We really REALLY need to update the topic
[18:38] <Hukka> localuser: Eventually
[18:38] <localuser> Martyn: yes, im on karmic right now, they were on jaunty
[18:38] <Martyn> localuser : If it's not in the karmic repository, then it's probably not going to make it in
[18:38] <localuser> ok, ill download them then
[18:38] <localuser> thanks
[18:39] <Martyn> localuser : There may have been a dependency that the karmic update broke (like the switch to the latest glibc and all packages compiled with gcc 4.x )
[18:39] <localuser> mmmmmmmm ill check that out
[18:40] <martalli> rc now showing on the "beta" download site
[18:41] <localuser> by the way, nice job ubuntu has done... quite stable, fast... i like it
[18:41] <PhilippeP> are the packages for karmic rc already  .?
[18:42] <benste11> where can I get grub2-gfxmenu ? - thought this would be in karmic by default but it seems like it's even no where in the sources
[18:42] <martalli> There are ISOs for the rc showing up at http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910overview
[18:43] <Martyn> They have been there for a bit now
[18:43] <Martyn> most sites have rsynced
[18:44] <Martyn> and I'm still pulling 400KB/sec
[18:44] <mercutio22> is there anyone using karmic on EeePc?
[18:44] <Martyn> mercutio22: I am, using the Remix
[18:44] <PhilippeP> Ok thanks ... let's upgrade then ..
[18:44] <Martyn> mercutio22: Which MODEL of eeePC do you have, however?
[18:45] <mercutio22> Martyn: are you having problems clicking dialogue buttons? I have to hold the touchpad button for like 3 seconds to see an effect sometimes
[18:46] <Martyn> none at all
[18:46] <benste11> mercutio22: I'll install next week, would be nice if you'd share your experiences after isntall with me
[18:47] <mercutio22> Martyn: I don't understand. Maybe I messed up with the mouse config. Which model is yours?
[18:47] <seiflotfy1> hey guys
[18:47] <seiflotfy1> any1 familiar with ubuntu-moblin-remix
[18:47] <seiflotfy1> ?
[18:48] <mercutio22> seiflotfy1: no. linky?
[18:48] <benste11> seiflotfy1: Martyn just installed it
[18:48] <seiflotfy1> Martyn: i cant get it to even work live form my usb stick
[18:48] <seiflotfy1> i choose to open it live
[18:48] <seiflotfy1> and ntohign happens
[18:50] <mercutio22> Martyn: eeepc 1000ha
[18:51] <seiflotfy1> i got an acer revo
[18:51] <seiflotfy1> a nettop
[18:51] <benste> no one using grub2-gfxmenu ?
[18:51] <Martyn> seiflotfy1: Worked here
[18:51] <seiflotfy1> wiht nvidia chipset
[18:51] <Martyn> I'm on a dell precision T7500 workstation
[18:51] <seiflotfy1> as in atom+nvidia
[18:51] <seiflotfy1> whoa what
[18:51] <seiflotfy1> lol
[18:51] <Martyn> OH!  the moblin-remix doesn't work
[18:51] <Martyn> I tried that recently too
[18:51] <Martyn> Sorry, answering too many questions at once
[18:51] <seiflotfy1> hmmmmmmmmm so sad :/
[18:51] <seiflotfy1> lol
[18:52] <Martyn> I have the latest eeePC (1101HA) through the dev work I do
[18:52] <Martyn> I also have an ARM based netbook, using the i.mx51 processor
[18:53] <Martyn> both seem to work pretty well using Ubuntu-netbook-remix with the new RC
[18:53] <Martyn> install took <30 mins
[18:53] <seiflotfy1> ok got it to boot
[18:53] <Martyn> I haven't tried livecd/liveUSB yet though
[18:53] <Martyn> yay!
[18:53] <Martyn> what was the issue?
[18:55] <Jeruvy> oh ya rc came out ... (goes to grab).  Forgot about that.
[18:56] <seiflotfy1> Martyn: i cant find where ot install it once boted
[18:56] <seiflotfy1> :/
[19:06] <jb> grr.. everytime I change a network connection to "Manual" from "DHCP" and hit apply, it automatically goes back to DHCP in 9.10
[19:06] <jb> anybody else notice this?
[19:08] <PolitikerNEU> jb: Hmm? What's the problem with that? But I have a similar problem with shared connections: they only work for me if I don't make them available for all users
[19:10] <Lazy> jb: My "Network Connections" also behaves strangely. Even though it says that IPv6 is set to "Ignore" I still got an IPv6 address and IPv6 works.
[19:10] <debug1> Will the finished new ver be able to support the Intel DP43TF MB? The current beta does not.
[19:11] <brian_> i am trying to install the new avant window navigator  it says its version 0.4.0 but in the repo its called 0.3.9  is that the rite file  or is it called 0.4.0
[19:12] <nick125> jb: I remember there being a bug where NM won't save changes...I'm not sure if its been fixed, though.
[19:13] <mbeierl> jb - not sure if it's relevant, but ipv6 is built into the kernel now and cannot be easily disabled....
[19:15] <debug1> I know that Ubuntu server w/a Gnome gui gets around it, but the Beta Ubuntu desktop cannot go online with it.
[19:16] <debug1> Not internal workings savy enough to determine the differences between the two which would cause one to work and the other to not work.
[19:17] <jb> heh.. gnome network manager is garbage.
[19:18] <menzzaa> jb: why is that?
[19:18] <nperry> jb: never had a problem!
[19:18] <jb> well, its segfaulting..
[19:18] <jb> and won't let me configure a static interface
[19:18] <jb> on a clean install
[19:19] <menzzaa> jb: well it should work if you have the beta
[19:19] <jb> i do
[19:19] <menzzaa> jb: I had the same problem but that was with alpha 6
[19:20] <assoguerozen_sx> guys, my ubuntu doesnt respect what i configure in sysv-rc-conf
[19:21] <assoguerozen_sx> for example, if i took off all fields about gdm, it keep booting with gdm on
[19:21] <assoguerozen_sx> i made myself clear?
[19:21] <Pici> Ubuntu doesnt use the sysv init system, it uses upstart.
[19:21] <Pici> assoguerozen_sx: sudo update-rc.d gdm remove     would stop gdm from starting
[19:21] <assoguerozen_sx> oh
[19:21] <Pici> !upstart
[19:22] <assoguerozen_sx> so i look for some management software to upstart
[19:22] <assoguerozen_sx> damn, didnt know about this
[19:22] <thiebaude> hi everyone
[19:25] <c_korn> why can't I choose the MP3 profile in sound-juicer ?
[19:25] <assoguerozen_sx> but, no easy way to management upstart?
[19:25] <assoguerozen_sx> 'update-rc.d remove this and that' is too dirty ._.
[19:26] <joaopinto> assoguerozen_sx, mv /etc/init/gdm.conf /etc/init/gdm.conf.disabled
[19:26] <joaopinto> afaik there is no tool to manage upstart services yet
[19:27] <dogguts> joaopinto: "bum" ?
[19:28] <JackD> update-rc.d deffo don't work
[19:29] <nekohayo> hey there, could anyone help me regarding a package that refuses to uninstall? it's a .deb driver package for my scanner (brscan2), taken from http://solutions.brother.com/Library/sol/printer/linux/dlf/brscan2-0.2.4-4.i386.deb ; Synaptic insists on removing it before doing anything else, but fails, thus I can't do nothing with apt or synaptic anymore. Failure: http://pastebin.com/d1b1feaac (and dpkg -p: http://pastebin.com/d58c531f )
[19:29] <nekohayo> ping me if you have any idea, since I'm kinda stuck at not being able to test karmic properly because of this
[19:29] <assoguerozen_sx> bum either doesnt work, like sysv-rc-conf
[19:30] <joaopinto> dogguts, bum does not handle upstart
[19:31] <c_korn> sudo apt-get install lame gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse dd
[19:31] <c_korn> did the trick
[19:31] <nperry> nekohayo: dpkg --remove --froce-remove-reinstreq name.deb
[19:31] <assoguerozen_sx> so lets get hands dirty
[19:32] <nekohayo> nperry, same error
[19:32] <nperry> Humm, i had that problem and it worked for me
[19:32] <nekohayo> it almost looks like the apt/dpkg database is borked up
[19:33] <CyberCod> is there an IRC channel for the shipit team?
[19:34] <benste> where can I find a pastebin for pictures to report an bug during boot time here ?
[19:34] <CyberCod> benste: photobucket?
[19:34] <c_korn> benste: ubuntu-pics.de
[19:35] <nperry> nekohayo: sorry, just noticed a typo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq brscan2
[19:35] <nekohayo> nperry, nah indeed, I did correct those commands myself ;)
[19:35] <nekohayo> otherwise I'd have gotten a different error
[19:35] <nperry> True :)
[19:35] <nekohayo> it's weird
[19:36] <benste> c_korn: Fehlermeldung: 002  es wurde keine datei hochgelaen
[19:36] <benste> c_korn, CyberCod - I'm searching for a free solution withouht  registration an e-mail
[19:37] <rohan> was there some problem with 9.10 RC? it was due to be released today
[19:37] <assoguerozen_sx> it is released
[19:37] <c_korn> benste: the email address is optional. but the page is german only as I see. so just use imageshack.us
[19:37] <rohan> and i just got the mail.. talk about foot in the mouth
[19:37] <rohan> lol
[19:37] <assoguerozen_sx> http://linux.softpedia.com/
[19:37] <benste> c_korn - actually I am german like you :-)
[19:38] <c_korn> benste: well then, where is the problem ? choose an image to upload, accept the rules and upload
[19:38] <nperry> nekohayo: is there a /var/lib/dpkg/info/brscan2
[19:39] <nperry> sorry /var/lib/dpkg/info/brscan2.postrm
[19:39] <oldude67> hey anyone know whats the easiest way to get the codecs for amarok to update?
[19:39] <nekohayo> yeah, and its contents are... interesting
[19:39] <leftyfb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/449198
[19:39] <benste> c_korn: that's what I did but looks like somthing is wrong with my pic - imageshack doesn't accept it either
[19:39] <leftyfb> anyone have a fix for that yet?
[19:39] <nperry> set the contents to exit 0
[19:39] <nperry> and try to remove then
[19:39] <nperry> :D
[19:40] <nekohayo> nperry, http://pastebin.com/d4b0547a4
[19:40] <benste> c_korn: lol - and I know why, f-spot has linked to my cam which is already swithced off :-)
[19:40] <nperry> comment it out and just have "exit 0" nekohayo
[19:42] <assoguerozen_sx> hum, starting to know about upstart
[19:43] <assoguerozen_sx> has been used since 6.10, lol
[19:43] <Travis-42> Gnome-do, even though I have set it in the preferences to start on startup, won't start in 9.10. Anyway to diagnose this?
[19:44] <nekohayo> nperry, my hero
[19:45] <nperry> Take it worked :P
[19:45] <benste> so finally could someone help me with this error message during boot ? - http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6292/dsc00733gh.jpg
[19:46] <mzz> benste: so does the recovery shell work and what's in /etc/fstab?
[19:46] <nperry> pastebin /etc/fstab
[19:46] <benste> i didn't try the recovery shell
[19:46] <benste> I'll do
[19:47] <Travis-42> which log file would detail attempts to startup applications?
[19:47] <Travis-42> er, during boot
[19:48] <benste> mperry, mzz: http://pastebin.com/m2b46653c
[19:48] <benste> @all where can I reset the autohandling of filetypes in nautilus, e.g. if a camera is attached, I've choosen to automaticly launch f-spot which I want to revert now
[19:49] <acuster> hey all, anyone know why the 'safely remove' action is not tied to the 'eject' button in Nautilus for USB keys?
[19:49] <benste> mzz: /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 none swap sw 0 0 is new to me what's it ?
[19:49] <mzz> benste: I'd just temporarily comment out the swap partition in fstab and see if it boots. If it does you can start debugging (most likely cryptsetup isn't starting properly for some reason)
[19:49] <mzz> benste: encrypted swap
[19:50] <Ademan> anyone know how to modify where gdm-simple-chooser looks for backgrounds and such??
[19:50] <mzz> benste: the installer sets that up for you if you picked encrypted homedirs
[19:50] <benste> mzz and why the h. does I have encrypted swap ? - I've only choosen encrypted home dir
[19:50] <benste> :-)
[19:50] <mzz> Ademan: not conveniently (pretty sure there's no gui). The theme used is configured in the gdm user's gconf
[19:51] <benste> mzz: will get access to my acc if I remove this encrypted swap ?
[19:51] <mzz> benste: because swap isn't zeroed out during normal usage or shutdown, so you can leak arbitrary amounts of info in there (or you can leak the encrypted homedir's key in there, rendering the encryption useless)
[19:51] <Ademan> mzz: ew, well i'm not concerned about a gui, i spent a while tracking down /usr/share/images/xsplash, so the config belongs to the gdm user? that's kinda crap honestly...
[19:51] <Jordan_U> benste: If your /home is encrypted but your open files are being swapped out unencrypted to disk it defeats the point, hence if you choose encrypted home it also makes encrypted swap
[19:52] <mzz> Ademan: err, what? xsplash runs well before gdm-simple-chooser does, right?
[19:52] <mzz> benste: you can just revert that if you don't care
[19:52] <benste> mzz: and encrypted swap is part of the real swap ?
[19:52] <mzz> benste: it replaces your regular swap.
[19:52] <benste> ah
[19:52] <mzz> benste: familiar with cryptsetup at all?
[19:52] <benste> :-)
[19:52] <benste> mzz. never heared of that ;-)
[19:53] <Ademan> mzz: oh, you may be correct, i'm trying to figure out how the new login system works.  but xsplash seems to run at least before *and* after the chooser (as you're logging into your account)
[19:53] <benste> mzz: only the general usage of crypted things is known by me, nothing special.
[19:53] <Jordan_U> benste: You are the second person in this channel that has had this problem, please check launchpad to see if it's already been reported and if not report it yourself. I'd hat to see this get into release if it is affecting many people
[19:53] <mzz> benste: normally you run mkswap on a regular partition. What happens here is cryptsetup provides a virtual block device (/dev/mapper/cryptswap1) using a random key (picked at boot), and (still at boot) mkswap is run on that and it's used as your swap partition
[19:54] <mzz> Ademan: yep, gdm-simple-chooser chats to it over dbus afaik
[19:54] <benste> jordan_U - which one of my bugs - I've already reported 8 today :-)
[19:54] <mzz> Ademan: I don't know how xsplash finds its images, but I'm pretty sure gdm doesn't tell it because it runs before it
[19:54] <Jordan_U> benste: The swap bug
[19:55] <mzz> benste: cryptsetup can also be used to encrypt entire regular partitions, with a passphrase entered by you before you mount. In this case it uses /dev/random instead of a passphrase (the passphrase is only kept in memory)
[19:55] <benste> Jordan_U, just filing a bug with the pic - against which package ?
[19:55] <Jordan_U> benste: I'm not sure
[19:55] <benste> :-)
[19:56] <Ademan> mzz: egh, cause i think I'm wrong about gdm, i mean i'd like to change the gtkrc it uses, but i'm more interested in changing what images xsplash uses, i guess i'll look for some docs
[19:56] <mzz> benste: not sure what's up with it actually, I installed off the alternate beta cd and didn't hit this bug
[19:56] <mzz> Ademan: good luck with that :(
[19:56] <benste> Jordan_U: but if I'll file against the whole ubuntu system no one will discover it before next week
[19:56] <mzz> Ademan: the gtkrc gdm uses is picked through the theme it uses, which is set in its gconf
[19:56] <benste> mzz: I've used the alternate beta too
[19:56] <Jordan_U> benste: You could ask for help in #ubuntu-bugs
[19:56] <Ademan> mzz: haha thanks, so far off to a bad start "No manual entry for xsplash" lol
[19:56] <benste> Jordan I'll do
[19:57] <Ademan> mzz: ah thanks for that one, how do i set another user's gconf keys? especially one without a home directory?
[19:57] <mzz> benste: anyway, I'd disable swap temporarily, then look into cryptsetup (checking what ended up in /etc/crypttab for starters)
[19:57] <mzz> Ademan: it has a home directory
[19:57] <benste> Jordan_U: and you said this should be filed special because it's security relevant for next release ?
[19:57] <Jordan_U> benste: Not security relevent
[19:57] <mzz> Ademan: grep gdm /etc/passwd, it's just in /var instead of /home
[19:57] <mzz> Ademan: and you can run gconftool through sudo
[19:58] <benste> mzz: where is the cryptsetup, or could I just change it reboot and you'll guide me ?
[19:58] <Ademan> mzz: ah, alright cool, thanks
[19:58] <mzz> Ademan: (at least that's what I've seen in bug comments, haven't used it myself)
[19:58] <Ademan> mzz: i expect you're correct
[19:58] <mzz> benste: no, I'm saying comment out your swap partition in /etc/fstab so it'll boot
[19:58] <Jordan_U> benste: I don't know that it should be filed specially but when two people report the same problem here within a short period of time it's likely that it affects a lot more
[19:59] <benste> Jordan_U: mzz: do you know when RC updates will be out ? - maybe I'll better wait for them first
[19:59] <Pici> The RC is already out.
[19:59] <Jordan_U> benste: It's out now
[19:59] <Ademan> by the way, when i first installed the beta, i using the users and groups utility, I was unable to change user's home directories, or change the gid for groups... i had to do things through usermod
[19:59] <mzz> benste: rc's out, although last time I checked (a few hours or so ago) it wasn't on all mirrors yet
[19:59] <Jordan_U> mzz: benste: Just to warn you, I gave the advice about commenting out swap to the last person ( who said boot failed every other time ) and after commenting out swap boot failed *every* time
[20:00] <benste> I'll update first - lol it's warning that I'm runngin on battery
[20:00] <mzz> Jordan_U: that's weird, I wouldn't expect it to mind not having swap. how'd it fail?
[20:01] <benste> Jordan_U: mzz I think theres kindda missunderstanding, - my system boots up, only a bit slower than expected cause it's showing the error on bootup - but anyway i'll update first now
[20:03] <mzz> benste: ah. In that case: is swap available, and what's in /etc/crypttab?
[20:05] <ausimage> Hello I am curious to know what is being done to solve "WARNING: Unhandled message: interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable, path=/, member=Introspect" with gnome applications in Karmic....
[20:06] <ausimage> I have noticed this warning on few different gnome apps on LP Bugs...
[20:06] <ausimage> I am bitten by this particularily with Epiphany...
[20:06] <Jordan_U> mzz: You can see the log of the conversation here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/10/22/%23ubuntu+1.txt starting at [06:08]
[20:06] <ausimage> which makes it unusable IMHO
[20:07] <ausimage> Epiphany also lacks a file bug in the help menu ?!?
[20:08] <Amaranth> ausimage: afaik only the things we ship in main have that
[20:09] <ausimage> how do you file a bug then without a crash...
[20:09] <ausimage> it seems the file bug is well hidden now :/
[20:09] <Jordan_U> ausimage: ubuntu-bug empathy
[20:10] <ausimage> k... any one understand why the dbus error is occuring ?
[20:10] <ausimage> and has low hit counts 'cept for LP bugs ?
[20:11] <HEIKKI123> can i use 2 names like: ubuntu-bug file-roller nautilus
[20:11] <HEIKKI123> or better: how will i do it
[20:12] <HEIKKI123> because the bug appears when i use those 2 programs together
[20:14] <Jordan_U> HEIKKI123: What is the bug?
[20:15] <robotti^> hello
[20:15] <robotti^> :)
[20:15] <robotti^> I need help with my ubuntu karmic koala installation
[20:15] <HEIKKI123> Jordan_U: when i try to "drag and drop" extract files from a zip file, the nautilus filemanager window will close when i move the mouse over it
[20:15] <robotti^> I have installed,  but no networking after first boot
[20:15] <robotti^> on my macbook 5,1
[20:16] <Jordan_U> HEIKKI123: Can you trigger it with other apps that drag and drop?
[20:16] <Sir_Brizz> is anyone here using gizmo?
[20:16] <HEIKKI123> Jordan_U: hmm, nope
[20:16] <HEIKKI123> i can drag and drop fron mautilus to gimp
[20:17] <HEIKKI123> it might be a nautilus bug
[20:17] <HEIKKI123> i will file the bug
[20:17] <Jordan_U> HEIKKI123: Can you drag and drop from gimp to nautilus?
[20:17] <habanany> http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/
[20:17] <HEIKKI123> hmm, what could i drag&drop?
[20:18] <rezd> what is the easiest way to install from a USB?
[20:19] <HEIKKI123> rezd: you need to install ubuntu to a usb drive first
[20:19] <HEIKKI123> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[20:19] <Jordan_U> HEIKKI123: Try taking a screen show with Applications > Accessories > Screenshot and drag the thumbnail into nautilus
[20:19] <Jordan_U> s/show/shot/
[20:20] <rezd> Thanks HEIKKI123.
[20:20] <HEIKKI123> doesn't crash
[20:20] <HEIKKI123> or, close, i mean
[20:20] <HEIKKI123> so, works 100%
[20:20] <rezd> I wanna get on the Karmic wave.
[20:21] <Martyn> wave.google.com/karmickoala?
[20:21] <Martyn> *groans* at his own tech pun
[20:21] <Jordan_U> HEIKKI123: I'd say use ubuntu-bug nautilus but mention that only file roller seems to do it
[20:22] <habanany> go karmic
[20:22] <HEIKKI123> Jordan_U: ok thanks :)
[20:22] <Jordan_U> HEIKKI123: np :)
[20:28] <HEIKKI123> Jordan_U: the bug is already in launchpad :)
[20:29] <HEIKKI123> but... it says fix has been released :O
[20:30] <Xgates> do any developers hang here?
[20:31] <darkham> karmic rc ?
[20:31] <Xgates> the bootup/reboot is a mess and it needs fixing and with what, 8 days to go, it's not looking good
[20:32] <DopeGhoti> Congrats on the RC release!
[20:33] <Jordan_U> Xgates: Remember that not everyone will have the same issues as you, I don't get any text flood at boot
[20:34] <Jordan_U> Xgates: Did "boot_delay=5000" help?
[20:34] <Xgates> Jordan_U: it's more then just that, I also get the console login displaying at bootup and reboot, and no one should be seeing that
[20:34] <Xgates> yes boot delay only helps a bit
[20:35] <HEIKKI123> a-ha, it will only crash when i try to move something to a usb-flash drive
[20:36] <frandieguez> Two days ago I have reported this two bugs (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/457001 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/457007 and I have tested it on RC iso and the bugs continues there!! How can I fix this for the final release??? please help me because are two strings with a lot of visibility on the menues
[20:36] <maco> frandieguez: you can fix them in launchpad
[20:36] <frandieguez> how? I'm very new on launchpad
[20:37] <Jordan_U> maco: He's already provided the correct translation, it's just not committed yet
[20:37] <maco> Jordan_U: in rosetta?
[20:37] <frandieguez> Jordan_U, that's correct
[20:38] <frandieguez> maco, yes
[20:38] <frandieguez> maco, https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/software-center/+pots/software-center/gl/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=Centro+de+software+de
[20:38] <frandieguez> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/ibus/+pots/ibus/gl/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=ibus+preferences
[20:38] <maco> ah ok. then just need to wait for a lang pack rebuild
[20:38] <maco> lemme see when those happen
[20:39] <frandieguez> so, this will be fixed for the final release?
[20:39] <frewsxcv> what advantage would there be to using AMD64 linux distro as opposed to x86
[20:39] <maco> frandieguez: i dont know how often they're rebuilt. im asking a translation guy
[20:39] <frandieguez> ok, thanks!
[20:40] <Xgates> You know I understand there are going to be a lot of bugs but I would of thought that when you put up a bug someone in a day or two would reply to that bug and let you know it's being looked into. I personally don't find it good to post bugs and not know what is going on. At least if people are going to post then the DEV team should have someone reply to the bug report within 48 hrs as a consideration to the poster
[20:40] <mbeierl> frewsxcv: if you have a 64 bit chip, then amd64 will use all the capabilities of the 64 bit bus: >4gb memory, plus any math intensive work will be much faster
[20:40] <frewsxcv> mbeierl, are those the only advantages?
[20:40] <Jordan_U> Xgates: Ubuntu is swamped with bug reports unfortunately
[20:41] <maco> extremely
[20:41] <mbeierl> frewsxcv: more than I can enumerate: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765428 gives a good overview
[20:41] <maco> please, learn to triage and dig through upstream commit logs and such and help get these things fixed
[20:41] <Xgates> Jordan_U: I understand that, BUT they should have a system in place where at least there is an auto reply or something....
[20:42] <Xgates> What's the point of making a bug report, when it's a bad bug and weeks later the bug is still there? Doesn't sound like bugs are getting worked on like they should...
[20:42] <maco> Xgates: remember, we're volunteers
[20:42] <maco> you can be one too!
[20:42] <Xgates> well someone is making money somewhere, LOL...
[20:42] <HEIKKI123> oh, the bug was fixed in a package that is not found in karmic
[20:43] <Xgates> nah I don't work for free, been there done that, waste of time...
[20:43] <frandieguez> maco, ok! I'm just learning. sorry for the problems.... ;P
[20:43] <maco> Xgates: maybe 1/5 of people involved are paid. and most of them are paid to make *launchpad* better, i think....
[20:43] <HEIKKI123> why don't they put the fix in karmic? :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/389888
[20:43] <rob0> Another thing to think about is that millions of people don't understand how things work, so what seems like a bug to them is often, in actual fact, just a misunderstanding.
[20:43] <maco> Xgates: so why do you think we should work harder in our spare time when you are unwilling to work in yours at all
[20:43] <maco> ????
[20:43] <nara> on a win-xp+jaunty machine. Tried Alt-F2 to upgrade to karmic, but this just gets to the bios?
[20:43] <rezd> It's not a bug, it's a feature.
[20:43] <Xgates> A misunderstanding, LOL, that's a good one, we have a lot of misunderstandings then
[20:43] <Xgates> LOL
[20:44] <rob0> http://sweet.nodns4.us/
[20:44] <DopeGhoti> If I had been running 9.10 beta, and am up-to-date with respect to apt-get up{date,grade}, I'm already running the RC, correct?
[20:44] <maco> Xgates: i did come across one bug where someone thought "sed -ir" was behaving wrong...when if theyd read the manpage, theyd know it was doing exactly what it says it should
[20:45] <maco> DopeGhoti: yes
[20:45] <rob0> Xgates: I was going to offer to look at your "bug", but I have lost interest.
[20:45] <DopeGhoti> maco: thought so, thanks :)
[20:45] <Pici> HEIKKI123: That bug *has* been fixed.  The new version was just published about a half an hour ago,.
[20:45] <maco> frandieguez: dpm says he talked to you about it being a bug in the app not a translation problem
[20:45] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[20:45] <rob0> "19:43 < Xgates> nah I don't work for free, been there done that, waste of time..."
[20:45] <Xgates> maco: I'm not a Linux newbie I know how it works, not asking anyone to work harder for free, and I'm doing a part, I'm using it and I'm reporting bugs, BUT when I see a BUG that effects the performance of the system and there is no precedence to fix this, well then I'm not happy, because performance is a priority that someone seems to be overlooking
[20:45] <nara> anyway to upgrade jaunty->karmic using just update mgr?
[20:46] <HEIKKI123> Pici: yea :)
[20:46] <DopeGhoti> nara: update-manager -d
[20:46] <maco> Xgates: bug squad is almost entirely volunteers. asking for all bugs to be responded to within 2 days? yes, that is asking us to do more work in our spare time
[20:46] <DopeGhoti> nara: as with any such upgrade, back up your data, etc.
[20:46] <rezd> So when is the final freeze for the Koala?
[20:46] <robotti^> are there anybody who can help me? :)
[20:46] <Xgates> rob0: don't look at it, see if I care, it only hurts Ubuntu not me, so with an attitude like that you're not helping anyone. AND I didn't mean my reply to sound the way it did, LIKE I said I'm using Karmic and reporting bugs, so give a guy a break, I'm helping out :)
[20:46] <maco> triaging bugs does not take *negative* time
[20:47] <nara> dopeghoti, tx, backup is done; keep my fingers crossed on upgrading ;)
[20:47] <DopeGhoti> nara: worked fine for my Eee, so you should be golden.  good luck!
[20:47] <mbeierl> robotti^: what is your question?
[20:47] <rob0> Xgates: I am not a Ubuntu developer or volunteer, merely a user, and you're the one who probably comes across with the bad attitude. Ignored, bye.
[20:48] <nara> dopeghoti, tx, ready to give it a shot
[20:49] <Twigathy> You can apply an SLA to a project where people work in their spare time
[20:49] <Twigathy> it just won't work
[20:49] <Twigathy> ever
[20:49] <Xgates> Well I'm not saying to jump within 2 days, I'm just saying to let people know someone has checked them is all...
[20:49] <Jordan_U> Xgates: I understand that it's frustrating, it's incredibly frustrating for me too often. But I also understand that there is no easy solution, and no one at fault.   Now Stop Being So TOUCHY
[20:52]  * mbeierl couldn't resist ....
[20:52] <Xgates> what IRC and assholes? not true?
[20:52] <Xgates> LOL
[20:52] <mbeierl> I lose
[20:53] <Xgates> mbeierl: I've been on IRC since the day it was born, so please don't tell me about the attitudes of people on IRC
[20:53] <Twigathy> Did you employ RFC 1149?
[20:53]  * mbeierl regrets feeble attempt at humour....
[20:53] <darthanubis> !language | Xgates
[20:53] <jcastro> frandieguez: setting bug #457632 to confirmed would be a good start if you're seeing the problem
[20:54] <Xgates> yeah my bad...
[20:54] <mbeierl> jcastro: OH.  I thought only the devs should "confirm" a bug.  Cool!
[20:54] <jcastro> no
[20:54] <jcastro> anyone who sees the bug should set it to confirmed
[20:54] <jcastro> if a bug is stuck in "New" no one will ever get to it
[20:55] <mbeierl> great!  That's what I get for not reading any guidelines :)
[20:55] <mbeierl> it helps to listen to what others are saying....
[20:56] <robotti^> mbeierl: My question is about my wireless on ubuntu karmic koala 9.10. On installation it worked. But after boot it does not work anymore
[20:56] <robotti^> mbeierl: my computer is macbook 5,1
[20:56] <mbeierl> robotti^: ooh.  sorry - not sure I can help.  Have you explained the problem here already?
[20:57] <robotti^> I am not sure
[20:57] <robotti^> it is about restricted wireless driver
[20:58] <robotti^> it can reload on installer
[20:58] <mbeierl> robotti^: ok, does the network interface show up at all after reboot - or is it that it cannot connect
[20:58] <robotti^> but not anymore on installed system
[20:58] <robotti^> no, there is no interface
[20:59] <robotti^> I am now on mac os x, because I can not connect to INternet without wireless
[20:59] <Breetai> Hey, I am running kamric and I added kde-desktop how do I get the ubuntu splash during boot back? the old update-alternatives usplash-artwork.so does not do it. Thanks for the help if anyone knows.
[21:00] <robotti^> mbeierl: should I download release candidate
[21:00] <phoenixz> Hi there, I have a Huawei E160 3G mobile broadband USB modem, trying to get it to run in Karmic.. How do I do this? Network manager seems to recognize it (the mobile broadband tab goes from disabled to enabled when I connect it) but then?
[21:00] <phoenixz> I select add, I get GSM or CDMA.. Which of the two should I select?
[21:00] <mbeierl> robotti^: it would be worth a try.  How long ago did you download the beta?
[21:00] <phoenixz> Then I need to fill in a phone number, username and password.. But I have not gotten these supplied, are these needed? can't find anything about  it in the documentation they supplied with the modem
[21:01] <robotti^> mbeierl: I downloaded it yesterday
[21:01] <mbeierl> robotti^: there is almost no difference then between it and the RC
[21:01] <robotti^> On installer it worked
[21:02] <robotti^> I think it is about too old driver?
[21:03] <MightyTweek> phoenixz: you'll probably need to Google "t-mobile usb internet ubuntu" (substitute the name of your provider for t-mobile) or something like that to find the settings
[21:03] <robotti^> mbeierl: should I use then ndiswrapper?
[21:03] <DanThirst> OK
[21:03] <phoenixz> MightyTweek: Already did so, found quite a bit, but nothing that helps :(
[21:04] <MightyTweek> all right, who is your provider?
[21:04] <DanThirst> It doesn't look like when i set my time zone in the admin panel for "time and date" it isn't storing it so my clock is losing time.  how do i fix said issue
[21:05] <benste> mzz: I'm sorry to come back this late, but empathy blocked me to join this channel, cause it was in favorites.
[21:05] <leoncismeck> Is there a list of current issues with ubuntu+1?
[21:06] <robotti^> has anybody experience with macbooks?
[21:06] <MightyTweek> leoncismeck: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910
[21:06] <leoncismeck> Because there are some major problems with the live disc that I'm running into
[21:06] <leoncismeck> MightyTweek: I mean anything more recent
[21:07] <leoncismeck> booting the live disc drops me at a login ubuntu/ubuntu is not the login details
[21:07] <MightyTweek> leoncismeck: what issues are you seeing? you could always search launchpad for a bug report
[21:07] <mbeierl> robotti^: I am not sure ndiswrapper will work is that is designed for "MS Windows" drivers.  Anyone else working on mac book here?
[21:07] <leoncismeck> and booting the live disc to go to "Install" drops me at the desktop, icons are missing and I'm told that there is no hard drive space
[21:07] <leoncismeck> actually, this could be a problem... parallels may not be expanding the disc properly...
[21:08] <benste> jordan_U - mzz has been gone ?
[21:09] <robotti^> mbeierl: but using windows driver for my wireless?
[21:09] <mzz> benste: still somewhat here
[21:09] <benste> mzz the problem is that empathy didn't get your nick with TAB :-)
[21:09] <benste> I already hate this in comparision with pidgin :-)
[21:10] <benste> mzz: I've searche for updates but my system looks up to date last look 1h ago
[21:10] <benste> mzz where can I see whether I have RC or Beta ?
[21:10] <mbeierl> robotti^: is there one?
[21:10] <maco> benste: if your updates are installed, you have RC
[21:11] <mzz> benste: what maco said, and I don't know a convenient way to see what you installed from (which might matter here)
[21:11] <DanThirst> It doesn't look like when i set my time zone in the admin panel for "time and date" it isn't storing it so my clock is losing time.  how do i fix said issue
[21:11] <maco> DanThirst: are you sure your CMOS battery's not dying?
[21:12] <robotti^> mbeierl: http://en.opensuse.org/Installation_on_MacBook
[21:12] <DanThirst> it is
[21:12] <benste> mzz: who's maco and when did he say what ?
[21:12] <DanThirst> but the holder is broke as well
[21:12] <benste> sry :-)
[21:12] <DanThirst> but trust me there is still a problem
[21:12] <DanThirst> i don't think its storing the time zone
[21:12] <mzz> benste: what? sounds like you might need to come back with a saner irc client
[21:12] <maco> benste: maco is me and she said that here: <maco> benste: if your updates are installed, you have RC
[21:12] <benste> mzz  I thought lsb_release -a would give somethin useful but it doesn't
[21:13] <mbeierl> robotti^: sounds like you might be on to something there.  Do you have your OSX install dvd?
[21:13] <benste> mzz: the couple of IRC bugs is now know by me and launchpad, so all is fine if you know where they are :-)
[21:13] <robotti^> mbeierl: It is over 15km here
[21:14] <robotti^> mbeierl: too far away
[21:14] <robotti^> where to need it?
[21:15] <benste> mzz: you still have the time to help me ? - so I'll reboot now
[21:16] <DanThirst> so i'm on my own on this one tonto
[21:17] <benste> mzz: now I've got 5 updates,some nautilus and some telepathy which is part of empathy as far as ai know
[21:17] <mbeierl> do you have the Windows drivers for the wireless card?  the page you referenced said you need them and one place to get them is from the OSX install disc.
[21:17] <mbeierl> robotti^: ^
[21:18] <benste> mbeierl: who are you talking ?
[21:18] <benste> sry
[21:18] <mbeierl> benste: started typing before I remembered to whom I was talking ;)
[21:19] <robotti^> mbeierl: yes I know. but ubuntu installer does not need them because it copy them over Internet
[21:19] <DanThirst> Ok, am I not providing enough information why isn't any one attempting to even try and help me ? or this just isn't what you guys care about right now ?
[21:19] <robotti^> but I can use windows drivers too
[21:20] <mbeierl> robotti^: when you run the ubuntu live cd - what modules are loaded?  "lsmod" from a terminal - and look if there is one that looks like "bcmXXX" or something that might be able to use your wireless
[21:20] <mbeierl> robotti^: when booting back into installed Ubuntu, go to a terminal and try "sudo modprobe bcmXXX" (from the output) and see if that wakes up the card
[21:24]  * thiebaude its quiet today
[21:25] <cmwslw> is the karmic rc on the USA server yet?
[21:26] <thiebaude> cmwslw, i dont know, i burned mine yesterday
[21:26] <leftyfb> did you look?
[21:26] <leftyfb> thiebaude: the RC wasn't out yesterday
[21:26] <ck773> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[21:26] <cmwslw> i ran update-manager -d and it said 9.10 was available
[21:26] <thiebaude> leftyfb, i know,lol
[21:26] <cmwslw> but on the readme it still said it was beta
[21:26] <cmwslw> although beta might mean release candidate too
[21:27] <leftyfb> cmwslw: look at the iso filename
[21:27] <mbeierl> updates are starting to come in via apt.  RC must be well pushed out now ;)
[21:27] <leftyfb> if it says rc, it's rc
[21:27] <ck773> word
[21:27] <robotti^> mbeierl: some restricted modules are loaded on install
[21:27] <cmwslw> leftyb: i'm not downloading the iso, i'm upgrading
[21:27] <robotti^> mbeierl: I can check installer
[21:28] <maco> cmwslw: it means someone forgot to change the text
[21:28] <cmwslw> maco: i know that's a possibility, but are you sure that it is the rc i'm looking at?
[21:29] <maco> cmwslw: if you checked for updates, it is. the repositories wont have the week-old packages anymore
[21:32] <ror_> hi, getting loads of dbus error messages while updating, is this normal?
[21:32] <mbeierl> robotti^: did you try checking for restricted drivers when ubuntu was running after install?
[21:33] <ror_> http://pastebin.com/f76df6e34
[21:33] <mbeierl> robotti^: System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers/
[21:33] <cmwslw> has any irc clients with notify-osd support made it into karmic?
[21:33] <undeconstructed> has anyone else had ridiculously loud audio stream opening noise on karmic?
[21:35] <cmwslw> i'm hoping notify-osd is actually used more in karmic - programs didn't have time to implement it before jaunty
[21:35] <sebsebseb> cmwslw: notify-osd isn't part of upstream Gnome
[21:36] <ror_> shame, one thing that was nice about the old amarok over rhythmbox was the better use of osd
[21:36] <mbeierl> ror_: just did update here - only gnome-app-install libcairomm-1.0-1 libnautilus-extension1 nautilus nautilus-data telepathy-butterfly to update - and no dbus errors at all.
[21:37] <mbeierl> undeconstructed: do you have intel sound card? there was a bug/workaround somewhere about pops/clicks and noise on start/stop of audio...
[21:37] <ror_> hmm, thanks mbeierl; I got this when timer was (approx) "40 mins left" starting from "2hr40"
[21:37] <ror_> it hasn't stopped my upgrade, it's still going
[21:37] <ror_> but every 2-3 seconds it logs this error
[21:38] <undeconstructed> mbeierl: no, some nvidia onboard hda thing...
[21:38] <mbeierl> ror_: ah - I see you're doing a big update.  I was on alpha->beta->today so there were only 5 updates for me today :)
[21:38] <ror_> process 28326 in question is chipcardd
[21:38] <Xgates> The DEV team needs to look at this bug:  458527
[21:38] <ror_> and there's 2 "chipcardd" processes running, could that be a cause?
[21:38] <leftyfb> Xgates: the dev team needs to look at a lot of bugs
[21:38] <ror_> sorry, chipcardd4
[21:39] <robotti^> mbeierl: I am now on installer
[21:39] <robotti^> How I know what is that module
[21:39] <mbeierl> robotti^: lsmod from a terminal - maybe save the output to a usb stick or somewhere
[21:40] <Xgates> leftyfb: yes they do, even though this might be cosmetic, it sets the tone for how people are going to perceive the distro, as polished or a mess
[21:40] <mbeierl> robotti^: first look for any that match bcm like "lsmod | grep -i bcm"
[21:40] <robotti^> mbeierl: or on hardriver_
[21:40] <ror_> has gnome fixed the "reversed volume slider" bug yet?
[21:40] <robotti^> mbeierl: I have 30megs fat partition
[21:40] <robotti^> for configs and screenshots
[21:40] <ror_> pet peeve of mine; it claimed ot be fixed upstream but never saw it fixed in Jaunty
[21:40] <mbeierl> robotti^: that ought to do it :)
[21:41] <ror_> I'mma kick up a fuss if it's still broken in karmic D=
[21:41] <mbeierl> ror_: you know what would really get people's attention?  If you joined the team and helped push it through ;)
[21:42] <fbn_> Hi, I can not find some software packets in the new software installation tool. sun-java jdk is not available for example
[21:42] <fbn_> any reason for that?
[21:42] <gbrethen> question about ubuntu 9.10 - why does it keep freezing after about 10 mins?  is this a known issue?
[21:42] <fbn_> do I have to enable some view first?
[21:42] <ror_> I tried, heck I even downloaded the source before it was fixed upstream but work commitments have been crazy lately
[21:42] <robotti^> mbeierl: bcm5974
[21:42] <ror_> so I'd rather just grump at those with more time :p
[21:42] <fbn_> gbrethen, no, not for me here
[21:43] <TDJACR> When is the RC out?
[21:43] <v3trae> TDJACR: motd.
[21:43] <sebsebseb> TDJACR: It's out
[21:43] <gbrethen> I have installed it twice now, did an update, but that doesn't seem to remedy the problem.
[21:43] <thiebaude> fbn_, did you sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk?
[21:43] <sebsebseb> v3trae: What does that mean?
[21:43] <fbn_> thiebaude, no, I tried the GUI in Karmic
[21:43] <mbeierl> robotti^: it looks like that's in the kernel.  try rebooting into the install and from a terminal "sudo modprobe bcm5974"
[21:43] <v3trae> sebsebseb: read the message of the day? it has the schedule link in it.
[21:43] <fbn_> thiebaude, Software Center
[21:43] <thiebaude> fbn_, ahh,ok
[21:44] <fbn_> thiebaude, I see with apt-cache that sun-java6 is available but Software Center does not show it. Do you see it on your system?
[21:44] <TDJACR> The website still says beta
[21:44] <thiebaude> fbn_, i have never seen it in software center, that was 3 days before Oct1
[21:45] <ck773> the file name says rc
[21:45] <thiebaude> fbn_, i hope they do include it
[21:45] <hacknslash> robotti^, are the restricted drivers activated in System > Administration > Hardware drivers ........
[21:45] <TDJACR> !rc
[21:45] <ror_> !topic
[21:46] <TDJACR> Topic != MOTD
[21:46] <robotti^> hacknslash: yes they are on install
[21:46] <fbn_> thiebaude, I think Software Center only shows "free" software by default
[21:46] <fbn_> but I did not find any way to select "all"
[21:46] <robotti^> hacknslash: it is Broadcom STA wireless driver
[21:46] <gbrethen> not sure why, but after 10mins, the system freezes and I have to do a hard reboot
[21:46] <ror_> anything in logs that might indicate a problem?
[21:47] <robotti^> mbeierl: on that restricted driver panel it is Broadcom STA wireless driver
[21:47] <thiebaude> fbn_, i dont know they show adobe in other section of software center
[21:47] <mbeierl> robotti^: from install still or after reboot?
[21:47] <HEIKKI123> Sorry, the page you are looking for was not found
[21:47] <HEIKKI123> the RC link in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[21:47] <robotti^> for bcm4311, 4312, 4321, 4322
[21:47] <hacknslash> System > Administration > Hardware drivers ........actually shows the STA driver as Activated
[21:47] <robotti^> wait
[21:47] <robotti^> I must reboot
[21:48] <TDJACR> Is there a fix for MacBook Pro 5,3 sound yet?
[21:48] <ror_> linux/ubuntu is disgustingly good; how many people upgrading other OSes can sit on IRC diagnosing any problems while doing it? :o
[21:48]  * mbeierl suddenly feels the urge to reboot too
[21:48] <mbeierl> ror_: it ROCKS!
[21:48] <DanThirst> ror_: why would all of them be able to ?
[21:49] <DanThirst> Oh i see what your saying ifxing the problem with your os
[21:49] <DanThirst> well no one has helped me yet :( and i keep telling them there is something wrong
[21:50] <ror_> well what's wrong DanThirst?
[21:51] <benste> mzz, I'm back again, strange things happened now, no errors on bootup but the TTy8 indicates that cryptswap is running, I'll post you two pics
[21:51] <DanThirst> clock wont stay synced
[21:51] <benste> mzz, Jordan_U: usual boot: http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7154/dsc00740v.jpg
[21:51] <ror_> which kind of clock?
[21:51] <maco> DanThirst: does wont stay synced = always off by the timezone, or drifting? or always says 12:00 on boot?
[21:52] <ror_> or are we talking cpu clock i.e. core speeds?
[21:52] <benste> mzz: Jordan_U boot after commenting out the cryptswap part in /etcfastab
[21:52] <benste> http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3219/dsc00743m.jpg
[21:52] <DanThirst> I don't reboot, yes i know my motherboard battery is dead, but the auto sync for the clock is not working
[21:52] <ror_> DanThirst, how are you syncing, ntp?
[21:53] <wildweathel> NTP might need a working motherboard clock.
[21:53] <durt> DanThirst, you might want to replace ntpdate with ntp.
[21:53] <DanThirst> it worked find before upgrading to karmic
[21:53] <ror_> run ntptime, what's your output?
[21:53] <DanThirst> alright durt thank you
[21:53] <DanThirst> lemme check
[21:53] <tiagoboldt> Hi, I have an up to date karmic by my side, and I'm not able to use the wlan0 interface, using the rt61pci driver. I've installed 2.6.29 from kernel-mainline and it works without any problem. From that point on.. nothing. Ideas?
[21:53] <DanThirst> ntp_gettime() returns code 5 (ERROR)
[21:54] <DanThirst> nm i'll paste bin it
[21:55] <DanThirst> http://pastebin.com/d4d05b78e
[21:56] <DanThirst> i have ntpdate and ntp installed
[21:56] <DanThirst> could that be the issue
[21:56] <Deathvalley122> is x11 still enabled?
[21:56] <Jordan_U> tiagoboldt: What happens when you try to use wireless with the karmic kernel, does wlan0 exist at all?
[21:56] <tiagoboldt> yup
[21:56] <benste> @all my camera is detected as music/ media player AND media containing photos, how can I tell nautilus not to see it as music ?
[21:57] <tiagoboldt> but iwlist scan reports nothing
[21:57] <Jordan_U> tiagoboldt: Any messages in dmesg?
[21:58] <tiagoboldt> if I remove the module and insert it again, it finds the network, but only 1 beacon, and then the last beacon time increases and it disapears, reporting nothing else
[21:58] <v3trae> as far as i know i'm running the 9.1 beta, update manager doesn't say a new build is available for me, does this mean it's already done all the updates when it patches nautilus and what not earlier this morning?
[21:59] <tiagoboldt> dmesg reports this-> http://pastebin.com/m6f628bc9
[22:00] <DanThirst> durt: you see my messages?
[22:00] <DanThirst> ror_: ?
[22:00] <ror_> not sure DanThirst, what is in your ntp.conf?
[22:00] <durt> DanThirst, I always thought ntp and ntpdate conflicted each other.
[22:01] <DanThirst> where is that located
[22:01] <ror_> durt, maybe, but I have both installed and working ok?
[22:01] <ror_> erm, /etc/ntp.conf I would guess
[22:02] <DanThirst> maybe your internal clock is fine so it it isn't and you dont' know :p
[22:02] <DanThirst> yeah thas where it is ror_
[22:02] <DanThirst> thank you
[22:04] <DanThirst> http://pastebin.com/d5208e5e3
[22:05] <durt> Maybe I'm wrong, but my lappy's cmos battery is dead and just running ntp works for me.
[22:06] <ror_> you have no server listed!
[22:06] <ror_> under the line "#you may need a server listed or 2
[22:06] <ror_> oh wait you have them all at the bottom nvm
[22:06] <ror_> didn't scroll down far enough, bloody elinks :o
[22:06] <DanThirst> yeah i have like 10 because it was ticking me off
[22:07] <DanThirst> it didn't work with 2
[22:07] <DanThirst> i don't see where its storing the time zone but i think thats the issue,
[22:07] <DanThirst> i think if i just ditch the conf file and pick ntpdate or ntp it'll prolly fix it
[22:07] <ror_> you could try that; or try to find out what ERROR(5) refers to
[22:08] <DanThirst> i'll look and see what that is first
[22:08] <durt> DanThirst, timezone is a local setting, IIRC 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' to change that.
[22:10] <durt> also are you sure you are allowed to contact those servers? for sure ntp.ubuntu.com works.
[22:11] <benste> Jordan_U: mzz: still here ?
[22:12] <ror_> "removing ttf-bitstream-vera" < for real? that's my favourite font!
[22:12] <mzz> benste: only a little bit
[22:12] <Ademan> is there a way to browse the source code of a project hosted on launchpad? (xsplash in this case)
[22:13] <benste> mzz: so your adivse was to look into something next after commenting it out right ? - where whould i look for what - you got the pics ?
[22:13] <mzz> benste: pastebin /etc/crypttab iirc
[22:13] <G_A_C>  <durt> DanThirst, I always thought ntp and ntpdate conflicted each other. - I don't think so, they somewhat complement each other; ntpdate will do a one-off set of your system clock to match that of your target, no questions asked while ntp (or at least ntpd) runs constantly to keep your clock in sync with tiny steps
[22:14] <ror_> ok, brb restarting cos my upgrade has finally finished, wish me luck! (in particular I've unblacklisted my wireless card which always ran really really slow on the kernel modules in gutsy and I've been manually recompiling every kernel since! gonna try the supplied ones again)
[22:14] <benste> mzz:
[22:14] <benste> # <target name>	<source device>		<key file>	<options>
[22:14] <benste> cryptswap1 /dev/sda6 /dev/urandom swap,cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:sha256
[22:14] <benste> that's all
[22:14] <mzz> this'd probably go better if I still had cryptsetup installed myself, but hang on
[22:15] <benste> mzz: looking at the screenshots it looks like cryptswap is working without fstab entry
[22:15] <benste> no prob
[22:15] <mzz> benste: I don't follow. Do you mean you still get those complaints at boot even after commenting out the swap line in fstab?
[22:16] <benste> no i don't get those comments but pre commenting out TTY8 looked like this:
[22:16] <benste> http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7154/dsc00740v.jpg
[22:16] <benste> and after it looked like http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3219/dsc00743m.jpg
[22:17] <mzz> benste: neither is problematic. What was the actual problem again?
[22:17] <robotti^> hacknslash: Hello!
[22:18] <benste> mzz: the problem was that I got those messages, and boottime seemed to be long
[22:18] <roj> hi i'm trying to install karmic 9.10 from the live cd. I have an nvidia 7600gs GPU but when it boots into x to get the desktop my monitor goes out of range, any ideas?
[22:18] <hacknslash> robotti^, hi
[22:18] <mzz> benste: I'm confused. I saw a screenshot earlier about failure to enable swap and having to hit esc for a recovery console. I was assuming that was preventing boot.
[22:18] <benste> roj: did you already install nvidia restricted modules or not ?
[22:19] <mzz> benste: also, how large is that swap partition?
[22:19] <roj> no this is from the live cd, i have nothing installed on the pc yet
[22:19] <benste> mzz: NO it's not preventing boot, it just slows down and gives this message 5 or 6 times
[22:19] <roj> its a clean install
[22:19] <roj> i can't get to an x session to install the restricted drivers
[22:19] <robotti^> hacknslash: wait a second
[22:19] <hacknslash> robotti^, okay
[22:20] <benste> roj you don't need X-session to install restricted :-)
[22:20] <benste> roj: I guess you saw the white ubuntu logo and afterwards it was out of range ?
[22:20] <roj> i tried changing the f6 options to boot vga=791 but that just changed the framebuffer
[22:20] <roj> yes thats right benste
[22:21] <DanThirst> any idea how often the time gets updated?
[22:21] <roj> is there a way to do a text based install?
[22:21] <robotti^> hacknslash: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d5d2ffcc4 <-- without wireless
[22:21] <ror> wow, almost painless!
[22:21] <ror> and I no longer have to manually connect to my router every boot! woohoo
[22:21] <benste> mzz: you explained to me earlier that without cryptswap my data woun't be save, but my 2nd screenshot with uncommented crypt entry in fstab looks like it has been started anyway doesn't it ?
[22:21] <robotti^> hacknslash: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d4687f5d9 <-- and with wireless
[22:21] <robotti^> hacknslash: and on installed system I do not have network
[22:21] <jdahm> How stable is Karmic Koala for everyday use?
[22:22] <robotti^> I am not sure what is that module should load on installed system
[22:22] <benste> roj: do you have wired or wirelss connection ?
[22:22] <roj> wired
[22:22] <mzz> benste: the encryption part did start, but you should not have any swap active currently (check using "free -m" or something)
[22:22] <jdahm> is there a bugtracker I can see what tickets are still outstanding?
[22:22] <DanThirst> jdahm:  so far i haven't had any problems other than my clock >_>
[22:22] <hacknslash> robotti^, i'm reading the pastebin
[22:22] <DanThirst> this has been 3 or 4 days
[22:22] <DanThirst> i upgraded from 9.04
[22:22] <benste> mzz:              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[22:22] <benste> Mem:          2517       1290       1227          0         60        784
[22:22] <benste> -/+ buffers/cache:        444       2073
[22:22] <benste> Swap:            0          0          0
[22:22] <mzz> !pastebin
[22:22] <BUGabundo> benste: pastebin please
[22:22] <jdahm> benste: PLEASE DON"T PASTE IN THE CHANNEL
[22:22] <benste> :-)
[22:23] <benste> just thought 3 lines would be ok
[22:23] <DanThirst> nope
[22:23] <mzz> benste: so you currently don't have any swap, but the encryption bits still happen (you just don't actually use the provided encrypted block device anymore)
[22:23] <DanThirst> any thing over 1 isn't ok
[22:23] <jdahm> benste: sorry to yell ;)
[22:23] <mzz> benste: I told you to turn that off because I was assuming it wasn't booting (the device never became available)
[22:24] <benste> mzz you'r right just dicovered that Ive got no swap anymore ;-) ROFL
[22:24] <mzz> benste: if it *is* booting, just a bit more slowly, there's a few things that could cause that: you're bottlenecked by cpu, io or entropy. And I'm guessing it's the last one.
[22:24] <mzz> benste: err, wait. It's already using /dev/urandom, so it's actually not entropy.
[22:24] <robotti^> hacknslash: what you think?
[22:25] <mzz> benste: which leaves cpu or io. How large is that swap partition?
[22:25] <benste> mzz: what's entropy ? - for me the whole problem looks like it's trying to get the swap before it is crypted
[22:25] <benste> mzz: swap is 3 Gb
[22:25] <mzz> benste: that's about twice as much as I'd have, but that's just me. Easiest way to find out what's actually slow might be to install bootchart and reboot (with swap re-enabled in fstab)
[22:26] <jdahm> DanThirst: uh, does printing to postscript printers work for you from GTK apps?
[22:26] <benste> mzz apt-get install bootchart ?
[22:26] <jdahm> DanThirst: the bugtracker https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic says thats broken still
[22:26] <mzz> benste: entropy's innocent, it's already using /dev/urandom. It's "randomness", which systems can run out of, requiring you to do random things like use the keyboard/mouse to refill the pool.
[22:26] <mzz> benste: and yes.
[22:26] <DanThirst> i only have one gtk app that i really use, and i don't even print really that often
[22:26] <mzz> benste: if it was using /dev/random instead of /dev/urandom it'd block if it ran out of randomness.
[22:27] <hacknslash> robotti^, did you ubuntu install use the bwcutter app
[22:27] <roj> i have a wired connection benste
[22:27] <robotti^> hacknslash: yes
[22:27] <benste> mzz just install and reboot ?
[22:27] <benste> with enabled swap
[22:27] <robotti^> hacknslash: Or I think so
[22:27] <mzz> benste: that's what I said, yes, iirc.
[22:27] <robotti^> hacknslash: but I think it does not work on final install
[22:28] <benste> roj, you'll see options in the boot menu below to switch to a text based install as far as I remember - or try CTRL + ALT F1 when your're out of range - I'll be away for some mins , just rebooting
[22:28] <robotti^> I do not have network on when booted hardrive
[22:28] <roj> ok thanks
[22:29] <robotti^> broadcom 43**
[22:29] <hacknslash> robotti^, just a sec
[22:29] <benste> mzz: does bootchart have a gui '?
[22:30] <robotti^>  Card Type:AirPort Extreme  (0x14E4, 0x8D)  Firmware Version:Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[22:30] <benste> mzz: I'll reboot now
[22:31] <DanThirst> ok not exactly sure what i did, but it looks like its working now!
[22:32] <DanThirst> and turns out this other clock is a minute off :P
[22:34] <benste1> mzz: I'm back again - where can I find the logs of bootchart ?
[22:34] <mzz> benste1: run "bootchart<tab>" iirc
[22:34] <ror> DanThirst, I've missed some of the convo but it may have been that your clock was too far out for ntptime but ntpdate sorted it?
[22:34] <mzz> benste1: or pybootchart. Either should be able to generate an image.
[22:34] <hacknslash> robotti^, what shows if you type ifconfig in a terminal
[22:34] <benste1> mzz what the is iirc - you repeated that word now the 3rd time or so
[22:34] <DanThirst> no it was only 5mins behind
[22:35] <mzz> benste1: "if I recall correctly". I haven't had to use these tools recently.
[22:35] <DanThirst> i think it was a bad config file, or maybe one of the two ntp packages weren't correct for karmic
[22:35] <benste1> mzz thx - guess you meant pybootchartgui
[22:35] <robotti^> hacknslash: when?
[22:35] <DanThirst> becaues i removed them and reinstalled them and removed the conf file after that it started working
[22:35] <DanThirst> because *
[22:36] <robotti^> hacknslash: If networking is working, there is eth1 and ip
[22:36] <robotti^> if not, there is no interface
[22:36] <ror> ah ok, well glad you got it working
[22:36] <G_A_C> DanThirst: if your hardware clock is broken, the best thing to do is set the timezone right, have a startup job that runs ntpdate (one off sync, will set your clock regardless of how far out it is) and then starts the ntp daemon which runs in the background but will only change the clock by about a minute at a time
[22:36] <robotti^> hacknslash: and when it is not working I cannot load that restricted driver
[22:37] <benste1> mzz: pybootchartgui: error: insufficient arguments, expected at least one path.
[22:37] <G_A_C> then while your system is up and running your clock can't drift too far off the ntpd reference clocks, but if you do shut it down then ntpdate will take care of making sure it's set correctly during the bootup process
[22:37] <mzz> benste1: /var/log/bootchart/something iirc
[22:37] <linuxguy2009> What exactly does RC mean? Does it mean its finished but just not officially released or what?
[22:37] <mzz> linuxguy2009: "release candidate"
[22:37] <DanThirst> G_A_C: thats a cool idea that is way to much work to do, see sounds a lot like going and getting a battery to fix the whole issue.  and this machine doesn't ever get shut off unless power goes out
[22:38] <linuxguy2009> mzz: yeah I know what the letters mean. But I mean what does that mean?
[22:38] <maco> linuxguy2009: RC is like "if nobody finds a release-critical bug in this, this is it"
[22:38] <G_A_C> that's a good point, a battery would fix it also...why do I always overlook the simple things? :)
[22:38] <linuxguy2009> maco: ah ok cool.
[22:38] <benste1> mzz: looks really nice shoul i pastebin the image for you ?
[22:38] <mzz> linuxguy2009: "candidate" for "release"-ing. If nothing critical is found it'd be released as is.
[22:38] <hacknslash> robotti^, i have followed these instructions for two mates and found the problem after half a dozen steps, http://swik.net/broadcom+Ubuntu, I have not followed them all the way to the end
[22:39] <robotti^> hacknslash: and what is problem?
[22:39] <linuxguy2009> Has there ever been any critical bugs in past release RC images?
[22:39] <benste1> mzz: this image shows me that I would have had an overall boot time of 80 s ? - this can't be true
[22:39] <linuxguy2009> Or is it pretty rare?
[22:40] <robotti^> hacknslash: I have installed that B43-fwcutter
[22:40] <mzz> benste1: iirc you can upload the file in /var/log/bootchart/
[22:40] <mzz> benste1: (it's probably smaller than the image)
[22:40] <benste1> i'll do
[22:40] <hacknslash> robotti^, after the reboot do you have a choice of restricted drivers to activate
[22:40] <mzz> benste1: and it starts running shortly after the linux kernel takes over from grub, and keeps going for a while after you log in
[22:41] <robotti^> hacknslash: it does not activate. I have tested
[22:42] <benste1> mzz I'll upload the iamge as this is 3 times smaller than the log
[22:42] <robotti^> hacknslash: it only activates on install
[22:42] <robotti^> but not on when system is installed
[22:43] <mzz> odd, I thought the log was compressed and not too huge
[22:43] <mzz> oh well
[22:43] <DanThirst> alright thanks for all the help guys
[22:43] <DanThirst> later ya'll
[22:44] <benste1> mzz : http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1420/vaiofe31mkarmic20091022.png
[22:44] <lamalex> Does anyone have a good alternate dvd player? im getting bit by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdvdnav/+bug/445980
[22:44] <robotti^> hacknslash: I can try that configuring
[22:45] <benste1> mzz : and i'll have to relog again, cause my panels dissapeared after replacing compiz cause of a crash
[22:45] <Jordan_U> lamalex: vlc
[22:45] <lamalex> Jordan_U: does vlc support menus?
[22:45] <Jordan_U> lamalex: Yes
[22:45] <lamalex> rad
[22:45] <lamalex> thanks
[22:46] <hacknslash> robotti^, is the network manager wireless option checked
[22:47] <linuxguy2009> Is there an RC of netbook-remix yet?
[22:48] <benste1> mzz: here I am once again - got the image ?
[22:48] <mzz> benste1: I wonder what that 6 seconds sleep during a resume attempt is for
[22:48] <genii> Probably to sync
[22:49] <benste1> mzz: i dunnow
[22:49] <benste1> :-)
[22:50] <mzz> benste1: other than that nothing really stands out, it's just doing a ton of io (I'm assuming your hd isn't *that* fast)
[22:50] <benste1> mzz it's only a 5600
[22:51] <benste1> my next one will get  a 7200 one but this one is 3 years old now and as student ...
[22:51] <mzz> benste1: you can try without encrypted swap just to see if it makes a difference (comment out the line in /etc/crypttab, replace /dev/main/cryptswap1 with the actual partition in /etc/fstab, and run mkswap on the actual partition after cryptsetup is done with it (I forgot the command for that, but a reboot would also do it))
[22:52] <mzz> benste1: but I think the encrypted swap is mostly innocent (costing you a few seconds or so but nothing insanely huge) and it's mainly just boot not liking slowish drives much
[22:52] <robotti^> hacknslash: when I try load those modules
[22:52] <robotti^> hacknslash: it just say no such module
[22:52] <robotti^> hacknslash: module name is wl
[22:52] <hacknslash> robotti^, i gotta go fetch my son, back in a bit, then we can check this out, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx?action=show
[22:52] <hacknslash> robotti^, okay
[22:52] <benste1> mzz: so i'll disable encrypted swap first
[22:53] <robotti^> hacknslash: I think that is reason why not wireless does not initialize
[22:53] <hacknslash> yea
[22:53] <hacknslash> robotti^, hope to be back soon
[22:54] <benste1> mzz: there is no /dev/main
[22:54] <benste1> dir
[22:54] <mzz> benste1: sorry, meant /dev/mapper/
[22:55] <benste1> mzz and cryptswap file within is empty
[22:55] <mzz> benste1: err, don't edit that
[22:56] <mzz> benste1: I said "replace /dev/main/cryptswap1 with the actual partition in /etc/fstab"
[22:56] <benste1> which would be what ?
[22:56] <benste1> need the fstab again ?
[22:56] <mzz> benste1: I meant "open /etc/fstab in a text editor, locate the text "/dev/mapper/cryptswap1" in it, and replace that text with the actual partition name (/dev/sdsomething)"
[22:57] <benste1> but which is the actual partiotion sda6 ?
[22:57] <benste1> take a look at http://pastebin.com/m4f4edd07
[22:57] <mzz> fstab doesn't know, that's why you have to edit it in the first place
[22:57] <mzz> crypttab does have that name
[22:58] <benste1> /dev/sda6
[22:58] <benste1> so ones again for lunatics - where should i place sda6 ?
[22:59] <benste1> mzz ?
[22:59] <benste1> sry got it now
[22:59] <mzz> benste1: if you're this confused by all this consider just leaving it all alone
[23:00] <mzz> or finding someone who has the time to explain to you how all the bits and pieces fit together
[23:00] <benste1> maybe it's just a bit late
[23:00] <benste1> but I'll try i just understood it - time brings wisdom :-)
[23:01] <benste1> mzz now my fstab is changed
[23:01] <benste1> I've made a copy of the original line and commented the old one
[23:02] <benste1> now rebooting ?
[23:02] <benste1> mzz ?
[23:03] <mzz> benste1: unless you remember how to tell cryptsetup to release the actual partition: yes
[23:03] <mzz> benste1: you probably need to run mkswap on the actual partition, but I don't recommend trying that before cryptsetup lets go of the device
[23:09] <benste> mzz: I've got a sawp now and no errors :-9
[23:09] <benste> but I huess it's not encrypted now right ?
[23:10] <mzz> benste: the messages should've gone away, but I don't expect it to help boot time all that much.
[23:10] <mzz> benste: correct
[23:10] <benste> maybe a bit but I'm about to look into boot things
[23:11] <mzz> benste: personally I turned the encryption back off because I wanted hibernate to work
[23:11] <benste> so hibernation will work if I'll turn off ?
[23:11] <mzz> benste: last time I checked it won't resume if your swap is encrypted (which makes sense)
[23:12] <benste> mzz: mine woun't hibernate anyway :-)
[23:12] <benste> now the cahrt looks very different
[23:12] <benste> the 5 sec at begginning disapeared
[23:12] <benste> I'll post you
[23:13] <mzz> I don't know what that delay is. It might be worth a bug
[23:14] <lamalex> Hi people, I'm trying to play a dvd, totem crashes when I try to play it (known bug) but vlc won't play it either!
[23:14] <benste> mzz should be filed against which packet ?
[23:14] <benste> mzz - by the way where are you from ?
[23:15] <benste> mzz - sry the waiting time is still there
[23:15] <benste> http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3305/vaiofe31mkarmic20091023.png
[23:16] <benste> but all in all the period is shorter
[23:16] <bp0> what is Marvell Dove?
[23:17] <robotti^> it does not work :(
[23:17] <benste> mzz: If I recall correctly I#m now in the position that home is encrypted, but may be decrypted by a professional who may find an decryption key in swap right ?
[23:18] <wgb> Hi! My Ubuntu 9.10 RC alternate install hangs at 26% under "Finishing Installation". Any suggested solutions?
[23:18] <mzz> benste: yes, but I'd expect that to be hard. Easier would be fishing some random document that ended up being swapped out out of swap.
[23:19] <mzz> benste: I wouldn't expect the encryption key to make it to swap most of the time (unless you hibernate)
[23:19] <benste> ok so i'll finish for today, I'll write a blogpost asap about it, and may consider a to file a bug
[23:20] <benste> should I mention you somewhere there ? - cause for me it looks like you're the expert here who did the work from remote on my machine :-)
[23:20] <mzz> benste: I decided just having my homedir encrypted is good enough for my needs, since anyone who *really* wants my data can just wait until I'm using the laptop and then steal it (without giving me the time to lock it)
[23:20] <maco> does firefox lack an icon in the menu for any of you?
[23:20] <maco> same quesiton again for kubuntu users?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> maco: yes
[23:20] <maco> (i'm using kubuntu and i dont know if this is just on kubuntu or everywhere)
[23:20]  * BUGabundo waves gnome flag
[23:20] <mzz> benste: and/or threaten me with violence until I give up the password
[23:21] <benste> :-) I'm sure my sisters woun't do :-)
[23:21] <mzz> maco: I see a firefox icon (using gnome)
[23:21] <BUGabundo> err I don't even see Firefox in there :(
[23:21] <benste> mzz: should I mention you in my blogpost, or link something of you ?
[23:21] <BUGabundo> just minefieled
[23:21] <mzz> benste: shrug, I don't mind either way
[23:21] <maco> i have the "icon not found" icon in kubuntu
[23:21] <mzz> benste: I don't have a pretty site for people to link to currently
[23:22]  * mzz needs to grow one of those
[23:22] <AaronMT> Is the 9.10rc out?
[23:22] <brian_> is there any advantage or anythin  differant between the beta thats been upgraded or the rc that was realesed today
[23:22] <BUGabundo> AaronMT: yes
[23:22] <AaronMT> url?
[23:22] <benste> mzz: that's like me, I just use an odd blogger template writing there for fun but my friend made me to write english and register to ubuntuwebblogs.org :-)
[23:22] <AaronMT> found it
[23:23] <benste> mzz: so if you don't like, I just thank you here for the great chat which lets a t least flow away this error
[23:23] <benste> mzz have a good night if you're in CET like me
[23:23] <mzz> that I am
[23:23] <benste> :-)
[23:23] <benste> so it's late for you too
[23:24] <benste> mzz - you're not from germany ?
[23:24] <brian_> is there any reason to do a fresh install of the RC or just update
[23:24] <benste> brian_: from 9.04 or from BEta ?
[23:24] <lamalex> anyoen able to play dvds on karmic?
[23:24] <BUGabundo> !rc
[23:24] <benste> lamalex: you need to install w32codecs and libdvdcss2 which is in medibuntu
[23:24] <BUGabundo> !daily | AaronMT
[23:25] <BUGabundo> humm wait
[23:25] <BUGabundo> releases.ubuntu.com
[23:25] <BUGabundo> that's it
[23:25] <AaronMT> I already found it http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/rc/
[23:26] <brian_> benste, from the beta
[23:26] <lamalex> benste: i have libdvdcss2 (you dont need medibuntu, i dont know why everyone thinks you do)
[23:26] <wgb> Any reason why my Ubuntu 9.10 RC alternate install should hang at 26% under "Finishing Installation" when it's creating userdirectories etc.
[23:26] <benste> !medibuntu | lamalex
[23:26] <lamalex> i know what medibuntu /is/
[23:26] <benste> I didn't know that you knwo :-)
[23:26] <lamalex> but you dont need it for libdvdcss
[23:27] <benste> lamalex: thought this would be for copy protetion - I've installed those and DVDs are working now
[23:27] <AaronMT> I'm getting 8mb/sec off this link http://ubuntu.media.mit.edu/ubuntu-releases/karmic/ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[23:27] <lamalex> benste: i think there's a bug in the vlc package
[23:27] <AaronMT> mit ftw
[23:27] <benste> brian_: there are about 3 updates or so between beta and RC, so I guess no need for full install
[23:27] <benste> lamalex: y ?
[23:27] <benste> why ?
[23:28] <benste> lamalex: VLC is working fine with DVD for me too - but I prefer to use gxine
[23:28] <Jeruvy> AaronMT: you should use a bittorrent client for speed.
[23:28] <benste> only totem seems to have some problems rendering the image of the video
[23:28] <AaronMT> Jeruvy: Too many leechers
[23:29] <benste> lamalex: but I'll leave now - in my opnione just install those three packages (3rd is restricted-nonfree) and you'll be don
[23:29] <benste> ew
[23:29] <robotti^> me need help
[23:29] <robotti^> :D
[23:29] <benste> Good Night everybody
[23:29] <robotti^> good night
[23:29] <benste> !robotti^ | benste
[23:30] <benste> !robotti | benste
[23:30] <benste> :-)
[23:31] <robotti^> hah
[23:31] <robotti^> benste: :D
[23:32] <robotti^> I do not have wireless networking on Karmic Koala
[23:32] <Varth> I'm trying to update to the RC from the beta, and it's failing because it's 404-ing on some of the packages. Is anyone else having this problem?
[23:32] <MightyTweek> Varth: try a different mirror
[23:32] <robotti^> maybe I should download that latest rc
[23:33] <robotti^> should I use 64-bit or 32-bit karmik koala?
[23:33] <robotti^> on my macbook?
[23:33] <TDJACR> robotti^: 64
[23:33] <robotti^> thank you
[23:33] <TDJACR> No problemm
[23:34] <robotti^> only thinking, because I am not sure about restricted drivers
[23:34] <BUGabundo> robotti^: how much ram?
[23:34] <robotti^> 2g. But planning to expanding to 4
[23:35] <robotti^> I have now installed snow leopard, I have also installed Karmic Koala beta. Networking does not work.
[23:35] <robotti^> on karmic koala
[23:35] <BUGabundo> robotti^: go with 64bits then
[23:36] <mzz> huh, my virtualbox shared folders won't mount ("protocol error", guest and host both karmic). Anyone seen that?
[23:37] <Cynthia> I'm trying to find a bug report related to this Totem bug I have, but can't think of the right words to look for. Basically, Totem, 2 files in playlist, start playing both, and it stops at 0:00 on the second file, refusing to play. Any ideas, or confirmations of this bug?
[23:37] <Barridus> hey all, anyone might have a clue as to why grub2 or w/e no longer counts down and boots ubuntu by default (the other os is xp), it just sits at grub waiting for me to pick one ever since some updates i think
[23:39] <mzz> argh, that's just bizarre
[23:40] <mzz> apparently something expands "mount -t vboxsf blah /mnt" to "mount -t vboxsf /home/me/blah /mnt" because my current working dir is /home/me and it has a blah folder
[23:49] <u-foka> Hy! Anyone has the issue that totem plays video files when opened with it's open dialog, but freezes when opened from the players command line (from nautilus for ex)
[23:52] <Kajros> i am currently having issues with Ubuntu Netbook Remix 9.10 beta loading.  When I try to run it from a live usb it gets to the loading screen and after about a minute gooes to a black screen saying something about Fatal module error.  What may be the problem?
[23:58] <wirechief> Kajros does it pass the integrity check ? of the media ?
[23:58] <mzz> u-foka: I've had it freeze when opening a second video file without restarting totem (but I can't really reproduce it at will)
[23:59] <mzz> u-foka: I'll try its file/open instead of nautilus to see if that makes a difference
[23:59] <robotti^> are there mac users?