[18:25] <Guest2> Lubuntu 14.04.3 I have problems with install updates. And now the screen have another size and can not connect to any network. I have a red one way symbol down to the right.
[18:27] <aworan> Hi all,
[18:27] <Guest2> What can i do to make it work again ?
[18:29] <aworan> I want to report a problem in chromium with lubuntu 15.10.1 for raspberry pi 2 => https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org
[18:29] <aworan> I don't know if this version of lubuntu is supported by lubuntu community and if it is where I can do a bug report ?
[18:29] <wxl> Guest2: you might want to pastebin /var/log/{dmesg,syslog}
[18:30] <wxl> aworan: there is this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/RaspberryPi
[18:30] <wxl> aworan: although we should really file a bug somewhere
[18:30] <wxl> aworan: what's the problem?
[18:30] <Guest2> I am using another computer now.
[18:31] <wxl> Guest2: well we need to figure out why you're having this problem, so unless you can tell me we probably need the logs XD
[18:31] <Guest2> But it told me with other things the third part repository cud be a problem
[18:32] <wxl> Guest2: well, i need info to help you out. specifics, not generalities. however, unless you have a third party repository for a networking component, i doubt that's causing THAT problem.
[18:32] <aworan> hi wxl,
[18:32] <aworan> HTML5 Videos rendering is with bad colors
[18:33] <wxl> aworan: and you can confirm the same version on a non-arm chip is ok?
[18:33] <Guest2> It looks like it is still some updates left and not installed.
[18:33] <wxl> aworan: and for that matter, what about in mate?
[18:33] <wxl> Guest2: but you have no internet connection, right?
[18:33] <aworan> wxl, I didn't try I will install it in my x86 laptop tomorrow to test
[18:33] <Guest2> No. the network is grey.
[18:34] <aworan> so I don't know if it is just the arm version or not yet
[18:34] <wxl> Guest2: so then, yuou need to solve that problem first. and it would be good to figure out why. which is why i asked for logs
[18:34] <wxl> aworan: i think comparing it on another de would be valuable. if it fails on ALL the other images provided by that site, then it's probably best to file a bug against ubuntu-pi-flavor-maker itself
[18:34] <aworan> in mate I test on 15.10 and it works well
[18:35] <wxl> aworan: on the other hand, if it affects all architectures, it'd be better to file a bug against chromium itself
[18:35] <aworan> I didn't try in 15.10.1  yet
[18:35] <wxl> yeah try to keep the versions the same
[18:35] <aworan> yes I need to try it first
[18:35] <Guest2> I understand. I am on a hotel and need the computer on my room. The updates crash. I have a usb memory to reinstall. But it looks like the installation program also dont want to connect to a network.
[18:35] <aworan> wxl: are you on lubuntu 15.10.1 on x86 or amd64 now ?
[18:36] <wxl> Guest2: perhaps you should discuss connectivity issues with the hotel :)
[18:36] <Guest2> No. It works.
[18:36] <wxl> aworan: oh hahah good quesiton. i'm at work and we use kubuntu. i've got a xenial vm laying around but that probably won't help us.
[18:36] <Guest2> I downloaded the updates.
[18:36] <Guest2> before it crashes.
[18:37] <aworan> wxl : ok no problem ;)
[18:37] <wxl> Guest2: so yes or no: does your internet connection work?
[18:37] <wxl> aworan: you might ask on lubuntu-devel and see if any testers might be able to help
[18:37] <aworan> I will try on mate under my rpi first with the last updates
[18:37] <Guest2> Internet works on the hotel. Afte the installed updates crash i can not connect anymore.
[18:37] <Guest2> No networks show up.
[18:37] <aworan> lubuntu-devel is another freenode channel ?
[18:38] <wxl> aworan: yep
[18:38] <wxl> aworan: well #lubuntu-devel
[18:38] <aworan> wxl: thank you it is my first time on freenode :P
[18:38] <wxl> aworan: ahh welcome. and thanks for testing the pi2! did you see the post on the lubuntu.me blog about it?
[18:39] <aworan> no I don't I will read that very soon :)
[18:39] <wxl> Guest2: i need the pci id of your wireless chip. lspci -nn will help
[18:39] <wxl> aworan: oh it's got a pic of my pi2 which has xenial and lxqt on it XD
[18:40] <aworan> wxl : but lubuntu works very fine faster than mate ! and I have a lot of ram free :)
[18:40] <Guest2> Can i reinstall without a network ? It will not download codecs and flashplayer.
[18:40] <wxl> Guest2: sure if you have another computer you can download the required files and then a usb stick or something to transfer it to the other computer
[18:40] <wxl> aworan: that's what lubuntu is good for :)
[18:41] <Guest2> I have a lubuntu usb with me. It is ready. And when i try lubuntu there is network.
[18:41] <aworan> wxl : the only problem I found is the html5 video bug on chromium and I tested a lot of things
[18:41] <wxl> aworan: you might want to send a message to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to see if anyone can check it
[18:42] <aworan> wxl : ok I will :)
[18:42] <wxl> Guest2: you will have to find (on launchpad) the deb files for all the packages you need and you will need to get all their dependencies as well. it could take a long time
[18:42] <wxl> Guest2: or you could boot the live cd, mount the hard drive, chroot it, and then install the packages
[18:43] <Guest2> If i type lspci -nn in terminal the message can help if i tell you _
[18:43] <aworan> wxl : there is some things to improve too, I think I will be good to compile some packages with hardware acceleration enable like ffmpeg, vlc (but I think code for mmal is broken)
[18:44] <wxl> Guest2: find the pci id which is in the form XXXX:XXXX for the wifi
[18:44] <wxl> aworan: are you remotely connecting to the display?
[18:44] <Guest2> it is only the network. rest of the errors will still remain.
[18:44] <aworan> wxl : no I'm not
[18:45] <wxl> aworan: i'm trying to figure out a GOOD solution for that. unfortunately x2go does not have binaries for arm
[18:45] <Guest2> I be back. think i need the computer to give you some informations.
[18:46] <aworan> wxl : it will be good to add a gstreamer-1.0-omx package too because we can have h264 hardware encoding with it. I tested it on raspbian it work good
[18:47] <wxl> aworan: definitely mail this stuff to the list!
[18:48] <aworan> wxl : I need go to lunch, I wrote a lot of tutorials in ubuntu mate community forum (install flash player, compile ffmpeg with mmal, browse on youtube faster etc..)
[18:48] <aworan> maybe we can talk later and I give you some of my ideas ? :)
[18:49] <aworan> wxl : Ok I will, see you ;)
[18:49] <wxl> aworan: nice!!! talk soon
[18:57] <Guest2> wxi> I am back
[18:57] <Guest2> Running. try without install lubuntu.
[19:01] <Guest2> An error ocoured, please run package manager from the right clickmeny or apt/get in a terminal to see what is wrong. the error message was:Error:Broken<count >0. This usally means that your installed packages have unmet dependencies.
[19:01] <wxl> Guest2: just pastebin the output
[19:01] <Guest2> I got this.
[19:02] <Guest2> How can i pastebin when i try it from a usb memory and the crashed updates ar on the other instalation on the ssd drive _
[19:03] <Guest2> I noted the message only.
[19:03] <wxl> Guest2: the usb has networking right? and it's connected to the computer that the ssd is connected to, right?
[19:03] <Guest2> yes
[19:04] <Guest2> I can runt it like this.
[19:04] <wxl> Guest2: so mount the drive, chroot it, and then act like you're running off the ssd. because you are.
[19:04] <Guest2> chroot ?
[19:04] <Guest2> i dont know what that is.
[19:04] <wxl> !chroot | Guest2
[19:06] <Guest2> I run it from the usb drive. I helps. I can reinstall later. or is your idea better _
[19:06] <Guest2> ?
[19:07] <wxl> Guest2: with my idea you can potentially fix the problem, but if you want to run off the usb drive, that obviously works. just mount the drive if you need to access it
[19:08] <Guest2> mount the drive from here i am running now _
[19:08] <Guest2> ?
[19:08] <wxl> Guest2: if you want access to the ssd, you mount it
[19:08] <Guest2> How ?
[19:08] <Guest2> and there i can fix the problems ?
[19:09] <wxl> Guest2: you should just be able to click it in the file manager
[19:09] <wxl> Guest2: you can fix the problem if you chroot
[19:09] <Guest2> Even if i acces the ssd i dont know what to do. I have not importen thing on it. It is small 8GB.
[19:10] <Guest2> It is mounted.
[19:10] <Guest2> i can see the files.
[19:10] <wxl> Guest2: so now you have access to the files and can do what you want
[19:10] <Guest2> yes.
[19:11] <wxl> Guest2: but if you want to fix that installation, you should probably chroot in. either that or figure out why your networking is not working and fix that.
[19:11] <wxl> Guest2: and that that we need some details
[19:11] <Guest2> Can i fix the updates on the disk when i go into the files ?
[19:12] <wxl> Guest2: only if you chroot
[19:12] <Guest2> Or format it. the problmen is gone for ever.
[19:13] <Guest2> How can i chroot ? it meedn analyzing files ?
[19:13] <wxl> !chroot | Guest2
[19:14] <Guest2> I write that in terminal ? !chroot ?
[19:14] <Guest2> What happens then ?
[19:15] <wxl> Guest2: no. look at  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[19:16] <Guest2> what about the message i got ?
[19:17] <wxl> Guest2: you can't fix anything without being chrooted
[19:18] <Guest2> An error ocoured, please run package manager from the right clickmeny or apt/get in a terminal to see what is wrong. the error message was:Error:Broken<count >0. This usally means that your installed packages have unmet dependencies.
[19:21] <Guest2> I dont know what i cna do with this chrooting. You meen disble some programs so rest of it works ?
[19:22] <Guest2> Shud not LTS be stable ? why it crash _
[19:24] <Guest2> The chrooting looks complictated. Better to reinstall if i dont can fix the updatefunction.
[19:25] <wxl> Guest2: that would be the simplest solution, to just reinstall
[19:25] <Guest2> I am looking for a solution to start the updates.
[19:26] <wxl> Guest2: that involves chrooting, or figuring out your networking problems
[19:26] <Guest2> it is in the updates. they crash.
[19:26] <Guest2> they disturbe the sytem when they crash.
[19:26] <Guest2> sytem
[19:27] <wxl> that's unlikely the problem
[19:27] <wxl> can you ping google.com on the machine?
[19:27] <Guest2> they dont get finnish.
[19:27] <Guest2> how can i ping ?
[19:28] <wxl> open a terminal and type ping google.com
[19:28] <Guest2> what can i do with the results ?
[19:29] <wxl> tell them to me
[19:29] <wxl> it's either going to fail or succeed
[19:29] <Guest2> It is still working
[19:29] <wxl> then it works
[19:29] <wxl> so you have networking
[19:29] <wxl> of course
[19:29] <Guest2> yes or i can not chat here.
[19:29] <wxl> you're on the usb which you said it DOES work
[19:29] <wxl> so what you need to do is boot the broken system and try again
[19:30] <Guest2> I have rebot the system some times and the updates blocking the network when it crashed.
[19:30] <Guest2> Or stoped.
[19:30] <wxl> if you have networking on the machine, it can be fixed
[19:30] <wxl> if you do not, you need to fix the networking problems
[19:31] <wxl> it's not a safe assumption that the problem updates caused your networking problems
[19:31] <Guest2> It is not caused of the network.
[19:31] <wxl> so the broken machine has networking?
[19:32] <Guest2> the screen is not normal and the network dont works. It is messed up because it cud not finnish.
[19:32] <wxl> perhaps the networking never worked?
[19:32] <Guest2> An error ocoured, please run package manager from the right clickmeny or apt/get in a terminal to see what is wrong. the error message was:Error:Broken<count >0. This usally means that your installed packages have unmet dependencies.
[19:32] <Guest2> because of this.
[19:33] <wxl> i have seen that message from you 3 times i think
[19:33] <wxl> i understand the message and do not need to see it again
[19:33] <Guest2> but you dont tell me what it tells you.
[19:33] <wxl> Guest2: it tells me something is wrong with your updates, which could be caused by a lot of things. it does not tell me your networking doesn't work because of those failed updates.
[19:34] <Guest2> It tells me the lubuntu not works anymore.
[19:35] <wxl> no, it tells you the updates don't work
[19:35] <wxl> there may be a byproduct of that that affects other things
[19:35] <wxl> long story short, we need to know if your networking works or not and if it doesn't, we need to figure out how to fix it
[19:35] <wxl> if you can't do that and you can't chroot, i would just reinstall
[19:36] <Guest2> Is it possibe to go into the mounted disk where the instalation are and remove the laste updates ? Mayeb restore it to what i was before i started the update to day ?
[19:37] <wxl> Guest2: it's possible only if you chroot.
[19:38] <Guest2> so remove the updatefiles is not a solution ?
[19:38] <wxl> nope
[19:38] <wxl> unless you want to figure out each and every single file that you need to reverse
[19:38] <wxl> and then you'd need the deb files for the versions you wanted to re-install
[19:40] <wxl> like when we type apt-get update, there's a lot of files going back and forth. you'd have to figure out each one of those files on your own
[19:40] <wxl> if you chroot, i'd work
[19:40] <wxl> so there's two options: do some work with some more difficult solutions to fix the problem OR re-install
[19:43] <Guest2> It meens Chrooting or reinstall.
[19:43] <wxl> yep
[19:43] <Guest2> What can chrooting do for me ? And it needs a lot of time maybe ?
[19:45] <wxl> Guest2: with it you can boot to the usb drive. you basically tell the running system that the ssd is going to be your new root directory. then if you do an update, for example, it will do it on the ssd.
[19:46] <Guest2> But i still need the usb drive to run it ?
[19:46] <wxl> Guest2: yep. because it's the system with the networking.
[19:47] <Guest2> I am not sure i see any point of chrooting then. And the old installation is damage for ever ?
[19:48] <wxl> Guest2: no, if you chroot you can fix it. or you can just re-install. that's what i'd suggest
[19:49] <Guest2> Will chrooting use a long time ?
[19:49] <wxl> Guest2: not necessarily
[19:50] <Guest2> If i still need the usb drive the old installation is not fixed.
[19:50] <wxl> you won't STILL need it
[19:50] <wxl> you will need it to allow you to fix it
[19:52] <Guest2> It will let me access it. I can see the files.
[20:01] <Guest2> I am running one partition to fix another. I understand that. but it looks complicated.
[20:03] <melodie> hi
[23:04] <Guest2> How can i open nm-applet when lubuntu refuse to open it connection refused ?
[23:07] <Guest2> wxl: are you still here ? What happens if i reinstall lubuntu without network will the codecs and flashplayer be download when i connect later and update ?


  Are you still around?
[09:21] <FJKong> willcooke: here
[09:22] <willcooke> FJKong, can you join #community on Canonical server quickly?
[09:23] <FJKong> willcooke: no problem
[09:23] <willcooke> by which I mean, it won't take long, not that you need to join quickly
[09:23] <Laney> this is intriguing...
[09:24] <willcooke> Laney, feel free to join as well :)  Just talking about release events for NUDT
[09:25] <Laney> haha
[09:25] <Laney> you deflated the excitement
[09:26] <willcooke> There is also the secret agenda items about how we can prevent the community from knowing about what internal development work we're doing
[09:26] <willcooke> but, oh know, I've said too much already
[09:26] <willcooke> *no
[09:26]  * Laney flashes the men in black thing
[09:27] <willcooke> Phew - good job didrocks didnt hear that
[09:30] <didrocks> what? my compiz crashed because you remotely asked it for? :p
[09:30]  * didrocks is intriguated as well now…
[09:36] <willcooke> I'm pulling your leg didrocks ;)
[09:36] <willcooke> I assume that translates perfectly
[09:37] <didrocks> willcooke: heh, I know about this expression (but yeah, no litteral translations in french) :)
[09:37] <didrocks> willcooke: but not worry, I'll still double check on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/04/16/%23ubuntu-desktop.html :p
[09:37] <didrocks> (once it's refreshed)
[09:37] <didrocks> bash-completion isn't installed on the ubuntu core image -> /me sads
[09:37] <didrocks> sad*
[09:39] <Laney> good job we have a massive archi... wait
[09:44] <didrocks> hum, do we have a good client to read markdown docs?
[09:44] <didrocks> (this first giving a name starting with "e****" goes out :p)
[09:47] <Laney> that is what I use :(
[09:47] <Laney> on the extremely rare occasions that I write anything for the website
[09:48] <larsu> didrocks: isn't markdown supposed to be readable in plain text?
[09:49] <larsu> I thought that's the whole point of it
[09:49] <didrocks> larsu: yeah, but formatting!
[09:49] <Laney> I guess to check you got the syntax right?
[09:49] <Laney> use pandoc to convert it to html or something
[09:49] <didrocks> oh, nice idea
[09:49] <larsu> didrocks: pass it through a converter and look at it in a browser?
[09:49] <larsu> there's also something converting it to troff. man!!!
[09:50] <didrocks> ahah
[09:50] <didrocks> thanks guys, I will go that road!
[09:50] <larsu> if you're editing, I hear gnome-builder is really nice for that (split pane life preview thing)
[09:51] <larsu> I think I would find that annoying though... too many things moving on the screen and all
[09:53] <didrocks> yeah, I have atom.io as well
[09:53] <didrocks> but this is kind heavy for just reading
[09:53] <didrocks> converting is the way then!
[11:06] <larsu> Laney: did you see my mr for vanvugt's gtk patch?
[11:14] <Laney> larsu: yes, thanks - was hoping you and mclasen would agree on a patch for that scrolling problem so we can fix that too
[11:18] <larsu> Laney: I pinged him yesterday and he said he'd put it on his list. didn't sound very convincing
[11:18] <larsu> I have a patch that fixes it if you want that for now
[11:18] <larsu> it's a one-liner
[11:22]  * larsu grabs something to eat
[11:25] <Laney> larsu: Don't know, can wait for review
[11:39] <larsu> ok
[11:54] <willcooke> lolz - email from a recruitment company, would we like them to find us some Sharepoint consultants?
[11:54] <willcooke> Think we're probably ok thx
[11:55] <ogra_> dont say no  ! as long as they wor for free :)
[11:56] <willcooke> :D
[11:56] <willcooke> They could sweep up round the office or something
[13:17] <larsu> Laney: any idea why bug #1408721 happened? According to the changelog, we only started installing settings.ini with that release
[13:18]  * larsu wonders if that file is necessary at all...
[13:27] <davmor2> willcooke: imagine this if you will, coffee magically appears in your cup......now you want one sharepoint monkey right
[13:27] <willcooke> davmor2, lol :)
[13:27] <pitti> Good morning
[13:28] <seb128> hey pitti! wie gehts?
[13:28] <willcooke> hey pitti
[13:28] <pitti> hey seb128, willcooke!
[13:29] <pitti> gut, danke!
[13:29] <pitti> und Euch?
[13:29] <seb128> larsu, that error message suggests that the content of the file is different between the i386 and amd64 binaries?
[13:29] <didrocks> good morning pitti!
[13:29] <seb128> pitti, auch gut, danke :-)
[13:30] <larsu> hi pitti!
[13:32] <larsu> seb128: not sure how that could happen. That file gets copied over from the debian directory into the shared package
[13:33] <seb128> larsu, yeah, me neither...
[13:33] <larsu> I wonder why it's not in -common
[13:35] <nonyab> How can i make transfer my ubuntu on laptop with all my settings and apps to flashdrive for a portability so i can use it any where please
[13:38] <nonyab> kinda like casper xp does in windoz
[13:45] <willcooke> nonyab, hi there!  This is mostly a development channel, you are best to ask in #ubuntu for support type questions
[13:45] <willcooke> nonyab, lots of folk in there will be able to help you
[14:02] <nonyab> thanx willcooke
[14:11] <Laney> larsu: Can't think how that can be our bug - probably only if they've installed a non-Ubuntu (self built or PPA) package which stole our version namespace
[14:12] <larsu> Laney: so... close it?
[14:12] <Laney> did
[14:12] <Laney> well, Incomplete
[14:12] <larsu> oh thanks :)
[14:15] <larsu> Laney: oh, thanks for nagging on the --class bug again :)
[14:17] <Laney> he sounded open to doing something ...
[14:18] <larsu> ya
[14:19] <larsu> I wonder why he cares so much about something that he considers (for good reason) to be deprecated
[14:19] <larsu> it's not like this patch will be a huge maintenance burden
[14:20] <larsu> it does change behavior though, so ...
[14:27] <larsu> didn't we decide to disable deprecation warnings for the release?
[14:39] <seb128> larsu, nobody did the change I guess :-(
[14:39] <seb128> we still can today?
[14:41] <larsu> do you want to?
[14:44]  * larsu thinks we should and can prepare  a patch
[14:49] <seb128> yes, please
[15:46] <larsu> seb128: (sorry, was out in the sun) Where's the packaging branch for glib?
[15:46] <larsu> lp:~ubuntu-desktop/glib/ubuntu is ooooold
[15:46] <seb128> larsu, we don't have one I guess
[15:47] <seb128> which tends to be the cases for packages we can often sync from Debian
[15:47] <seb128> case
[15:47] <larsu> ah, ok
[15:49] <larsu> desrt: G_PARAM_DEPRECATED says it only issues warnings when run with G_ENABLE_DIAGNOSTIC, but nothing other than signal.c looks at that env var…
[15:56] <larsu> oh I'm blind, it does look at it, but the logic is inverted from what the docs say
[16:04] <larsu> seb128: I've attached a patch to bug #1430307
[16:04] <larsu> but I guess this is something for Laney rather
[16:04] <seb128> larsu, thanks, and yeah, but if Laney doesn't want to deal with it I can have a look as well
[16:05] <Laney> No I don't
[16:06] <larsu> uh oh
[16:06] <larsu> want to keep the warnings on?
[16:06] <Laney> Don't want to block it
[16:07] <Laney> Last cycle it was meant to be one time only
[16:07] <Laney> And it came via upstream then which made it more palatable
[16:07] <Laney> But you do it if you want
[16:08] <didrocks> seb128: larsu: I'm happy to have a look as well :)
[16:08] <didrocks> you know my opinion on this :p
[16:08] <seb128> :-)
[16:09] <seb128> Laney just hates on our users :p
[16:09] <didrocks> yeah, and developers should use G_ENABLE_DIAGNOSTIC=1 anyway (but we should made it maybe a little bit more clear)
[16:10] <larsu> Laney: right.  That should make you think about it Laney ;)
[16:10] <Laney> I'm not interested in rehashing 6 month old arguments BTW
[16:11] <seb128> yeah, let's agree to disagree
[16:11] <didrocks> yep
[16:11] <didrocks> seb128: want to sponsor it or should I? (I'm about to leave, not sure if it will be ok by tomorrow with finale finale finale freeze)
[16:11]  * larsu carefully steps back from the keyboard and puts some money aside for Laney's beer in London
[16:11] <seb128> I understand Laney's fundamental position, in practice I think disabling those is a real world compromise which makes things better for our users though
[16:11] <seb128> didrocks, I can do it
[16:11] <mdeslaur> didrocks: lol :)
[16:11] <didrocks> good!
[16:11] <didrocks> mdeslaur: ;)
[16:12] <didrocks> (and yeah, larsu spot it on)
[16:12]  * didrocks copies and pastes the exact sentence for the next 6 months
[16:15] <seb128> larsu, let me know when you have a patch and where, I can sponsor it
[16:15] <larsu> seb128: it's attached on the bug
[16:15] <seb128> oh right, sorry, lost track ;-)
[16:15] <larsu> no worries :)
[16:16] <didrocks> seb128: see this guy, he's even not attaching a debdiff!
[16:16] <larsu> the fuck if I know how that works
[16:16] <didrocks> larsu: didn't you provide some in the past? :)
[16:16] <larsu> didrocks: I did, but always forget ;)
[16:16] <didrocks> seb128: germany is clearly not what it used to be…
[16:16] <didrocks> :)
[16:16] <seb128> good that we have a team week next week
[16:16] <seb128> we can remind larsu of things
[16:17] <didrocks> exactly!
[16:17]  * didrocks hugs larsu
[16:17] <larsu> haa
[16:17]  * larsu hugs EVERYONE
[16:19] <seb128>  /me hugs larsu back
[16:19] <seb128> ups
[16:20] <seb128> larsu, didrocks, Laney, uploaded
[16:20] <didrocks>  /msg larsu see how seb128 doesn't know how to use IRC after 14 years?
[16:20] <didrocks> seb128: \o/
[16:21] <seb128> lol
[16:21] <didrocks> :p
[16:21] <didrocks> it's like Friday in the air!
[16:22] <larsu> seb128: thanks!
[16:22] <larsu> didrocks: LOL
[16:26] <Laney> seb128: did you see my link to the commit from last time?
[16:27] <Laney> oh, WTF, someone accepted it already
[16:28] <Laney> whatever
[16:31] <larsu> :(
[16:36] <didrocks> Laney: maybe we should ask for prioritizing having logs on those accepts/deny on launchpad side now that the buttons are client-side and not anymore on the server…
[16:36] <seb128> Laney, I saw it/your comment, but I though it was just arguing in favor of pushing to commit that upstream, not something needed on our side for the upload
[16:36] <didrocks> even not for pointing guilt, but at least, to know who to talk to
[16:37] <Laney> seb128: I linked to how desrt did it last time which was different
[16:37] <seb128> Laney, right, nothing in your comment suggested you though that was better though
[16:37] <seb128> I've no strong opinion on one way or the other
[16:38] <seb128> I'm happy to replace it by desrt's version if you prefer though
[16:38] <seb128> -though
[16:38] <Laney> Nope, up to your judgement
[16:39] <seb128> trusting larsu
[16:39] <larsu> it amounts to the same, no? The only difference is that with desrt's patch you can also do G_DISABLE_DIAGNOSTICS=Laney and they'll be turned on
[16:39]  * larsu doesn't care either way
[16:39] <seb128> if nobody cares then it's good enough like that
[16:40] <Laney> Correct
[16:40] <Laney> I'm going early
[16:40] <Laney> bye
[16:42]  * desrt blinks
[16:42] <ogra_> disco !
[16:42] <desrt> untz untz
[16:42] <seb128> Laney, have a good evening!
[16:43] <didrocks> vuntz vuntz
[16:43] <didrocks> see you Laney!
[16:52]  * didrocks waves good evening as well
[17:06] <willcooke> l8r chaps
[17:31] <mitya57> desrt: what do you think about gnome #746592?
[17:32] <desrt> interesting
[17:33] <mitya57> I think that is the same as our lp: #1222053
[17:33] <mitya57> (but with patches)
[17:33] <desrt> but problematic...
[17:34] <mitya57> --verbose please :)
[17:34] <desrt> there is no support for fallbacks here
[17:34] <desrt> like if XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP is MATE:GNOME or something
[17:34] <desrt> and then we find the MATE file first, which has one single mate-specific override
[17:34] <desrt> we won't go on to find the gnome overrides after that
[17:35] <mitya57> According the the patch description we will...
[17:35] <desrt> the way i read it it adds the compiled schema it finds first, by priority order of the xdg_current_desktops
[17:36] <mitya57> so yes, it is .../mate, then .../gnome, and finally the default directory
[17:36] <mitya57> Is that wrong?
[17:36] <desrt> the problem is what happens when you find mate
[17:37] <mitya57> Oh, I see what you mean
[17:37] <desrt> like imagine gnome has 10 overrides, but then mate has 1 override on top of it
[17:37] <desrt> you'll get the one, but miss the 10, even though you list MATE:GNOME in the variable
[17:37] <mitya57> Yes, I got it, and that sounds fixable
[17:37] <mitya57> Will you comment on that patch, or should I?
[17:37] <desrt> it's actually a very difficult problem
[17:37] <desrt> i'll comment
[17:38] <mitya57> OK
[17:38] <desrt> the trouble is that you need to figure out what schema content gets included in each file
[17:38] <desrt> and there is not great support fort his level of granularity in the current compiler
[17:38] <desrt> particularly when schemas refer to each other
[17:40] <mitya57> Hm, yes, it may be troublesome
[17:47] <mitya57> desrt: Thanks for commenting!
[17:47] <desrt> sorry to rain on your parade :(
[17:48] <mitya57> Well, this is a wishlist for me, not something very important :)


[00:22] <hannah> Test
[00:22] <hannah> Hello
[00:22] <hannah> Anyone there?
[00:22] <hannah> I'm currently enjoying a very nice distribution known as Hannah Montana Linux
[00:24] <hannah> I can't install any packages, anyone got any tips?
[00:26] <tomreyn> this is #kubuntu - maybe /join ##linux
[00:28] <hannah> It says I have to register to join ##linux
[00:34] <tomreyn> not a #kubuntu topic. if you have questions about using irc, pleaseask in #freenode.
[00:34] <TheBiggestHannaM> Will do
[03:47] <dgregory> asus laptop freezes on wakeup
 Could be many things graphics card drivers, network card or drivers. older kernel.... etc
[08:46] <perr-paranoic> Hi I need help for a program that doesn't work maybe for trouble in java new and program old. https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/drsvR2NXZD/
[16:32] <Klinda> hello I Installed kubuntu in my laptop but the audio seems not working, what can I do ? thanks!
[16:34] <diogenes_> Klinda, fresh install? what system you used before installing kubuntu?
 @Klinda, Klinda: can you describe "seems not working" a bit more in detail?
 did you test both input and output?
[16:35] <Klinda> in playback devices I have HDMI/DISPLAYPORT
[16:35] <Klinda> probably is there the problem
[16:35] <Klinda> I go to youtube and I hear no audio
 Klinds: Go to Audio Volume Settings Audio Volume and select the output you want there. Klick front left/right to test
[16:42] <Klinda> I changed profile with analog stereo  and it's working
[16:42] <Klinda> what is the best analog stereo? output,input or duplex?
[16:43] <diogenes_> duplex
[16:45] <Klinda> thanks for the help to all :)
[17:10] <mart_> Blimey.... IRC
[17:11] <mart_> I think I last logged on 20 years ago.... did I miss anything?
[17:15] <mart_> Hang on, one channel
[18:02] <magic_ninja_work> guys I just tried to do a system update and I keep getting this error...
[18:02] <magic_ninja_work> wait, nevermind, let me check space.
[18:02] <magic_ninja_work> gzip: stdout: No space left on device
[18:03] <tomreyn> \o/
[18:04] <magic_ninja_work> https://paste.debian.net/1090516/
[18:05] <magic_ninja_work> Fresh install here. I can provide other info needed. The system is on LVM so I can resize stuff pretty easily.
[18:06] <tomreyn> so what's your question? how to regain disk space? how to recover the system after regaining space?
[18:07] <magic_ninja_work> What to do. I can't install packages at the moment. I'm not sure what is doing on.
[18:07] <magic_ninja_work> Aparently something is too small.
[18:07] <tomreyn> show the full command and output
[18:07] <tomreyn> ...where the output included "gzip: stdout: No space left on device"
[18:08] <tomreyn> chances are you were installing a newer kernel package
[18:08] <tomreyn> 237M is not much for /boot
[18:08] <magic_ninja_work> https://paste.debian.net/1090517/
[18:10] <tomreyn> yes that's about /boot
[18:10] <tomreyn> if you have multiple kernels installed, you can purge one you are not currently running
[18:10] <magic_ninja_work> Can I just resize /boot ?
[18:10] <tomreyn> dpkg -l linux* | grep ^i
[18:10] <magic_ninja_work> This is a fresh install.
[18:11] <tomreyn> without any updates installed?
[18:11] <magic_ninja_work> Just installed updates
[18:11] <tomreyn> so you may have multiple kernel images installed already
[18:11] <tomreyn> your / and /home seem to be on LVM, but not /boot
[18:12] <tomreyn> you could shrink sda1 and increase sda2
[18:12] <tomreyn> ...from a live system
[18:12] <magic_ninja_work> Can LVM be shifted to make room for a larger boot partition?
[18:13] <tomreyn> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:13] <tomreyn> but i bet my other suggestion is better
[18:14] <magic_ninja_work> I only have the one kernel installed
[18:14] <magic_ninja_work> when I installed I set that partiton to be formated
[18:15] <magic_ninja_work> https://termbin.com/fce3a
[18:17] <magic_ninja_work> I still have the installer ISO, but it can't boot into a live system. This laptop doesn't like the noveau drivers and pretty much won't run them.
[18:18] <tomreyn> so you could ensure that you have unallocated space in PV /dev/sda3, then pvmove all extents towards the end of this PV, then reboot into gparted live or the (k)ubuntu live /installer and use gparted (or maybe gdisk) to shrink the sda3 PV, then increase the sda2 partiton and file system, then chroot mount the system and update fstab and the initramfs with any modified UUIDs and then reboot into your system
[18:19] <tomreyn> maybe if you run nourveau with nomodeset it'll work with vesa
[18:19] <tomreyn> or just disallow loading nouveau
[18:20] <tomreyn> blacklist=nouveau as a !kernelparm
[18:21] <tomreyn> you can also reinstall, increasing the size for /boot - may be the easiest option
[18:22] <magic_ninja_work> that will probably be best.
[18:22] <magic_ninja_work> Will the partition manager in the installer allow me to resize an LVM partition?
[18:22] <magic_ninja_work> I'm a bit new to LVM. Seems I would need to reduce the size of my /home by a few GB, then shrink the LVM, then allocate that space to the /boot partition.
[18:24] <magic_ninja_work> I may also back up my kde configs and see what the default kubuntu setup looks like.
[18:26] <tomreyn> magic_ninja_work: you'll be able to specify the size of logical volumes (and the file systems on them) while parittioning from scratch during a new installation
[18:27] <tomreyn> that's when using manual partitioning
[18:27] <magic_ninja_work> tomreyn, but I can't resize?
[18:27] <tomreyn> i don't think you'll be able to reuse the existing LVs, or i would not recommend it.
[18:28] <tomreyn> thats... as part of a new installation, you CAN edit things while using gparted on the live system
[18:30] <magic_ninja_work> tomreyn, okay, given the few things I have on this home system I'll just copy over the few app configs I need and do a fresh repartition.
[18:31] <magic_ninja_work> I'll just clean the disk. I think it would be faster than trying to get noveau to start up.
[18:31] <magic_ninja_work> I hope the power management on this kernel works better than on debian.
[18:37] <tomreyn> the kernel won't be that different compared to debian's, but you may have more proprietary blobs available which may improve behaviour. and newer kernel versions.
[18:37] <magic_ninja_work> yea, i already had a few hardware issues disappear from 4.19 to 5.0
[18:38] <magic_ninja_work> noveau didn't work on either.
[18:38] <magic_ninja_work> I'm hoping this suspend problem gets fixed too. using like 4W while suspended.
[18:38] <magic_ninja_work> kills battery and generates a nice bit of heat.
[18:38] <magic_ninja_work> anywho, bbl
[19:15] <magic_ninja> okay, so I ended up having to get into a live disk anyway.
[19:50] <venicius> http://bit.ly/2RDN5Ey
[19:50] <venicius> aprenda como onseguir 5mil mensais sem sair de casa
[20:41] <magic_ninja_work> this time I left some padding in so that I could more easily shift stuff around.
[20:44] <tomreyn> good idea. you can actually have /boot on lvm by now, just the installer doesn't support it.
[20:45] <tomreyn> (for more flexibility)
[20:55] <magic_ninja_work> tomreyn, it took a bit to figure out how to manually do the lvm, though. That being said, I'm setting at about 4.5 hours battery life now on my dedicated gpu. I was at 4 hours on my IGP. I don't think my dedicated GPU was being correctly disabled.
[20:55] <magic_ninja_work> I mean 3.5-4W of power use while suspended is insane. And with the heat, I couldn't even leave it in my laptop.
[20:56] <tomreyn> does its vender start with n and end with vidia?
[20:56] <magic_ninja_work> the laptop or the mobile GPU ?
[20:57] <tomreyn> the dedicated graphics chipset
[20:58] <magic_ninja_work> yea.
[20:58] <magic_ninja_work>  r b
[20:58] <magic_ninja_work> *brb
[21:04] <magic_ninja_work> can't find my theme, though
[21:04] <magic_ninja_work> It was like rebel or something like that.
[21:27] <magic_ninja_work> there we go. RevengeShip
[21:37] <Snorghma> hi guys, I'm running into an issue where the login screen when locking from inactivity is using the default layout but my login screen from booting is using my selected layout.  I changed this setting in the System Settings under the Startup and Shutdown section but it doesn't apply to the lock screen.  The lock section seems to not have customization options.  Is there anyway to customize this?
[21:51] <magic_ninja_work> So good news. Power usage down to like 5-7W
[21:51] <magic_ninja_work> That is a 50% reduction in power use.
[23:56] <magic_ninja_work> I need to find a good graphical text editor


[07:52] <rileyp> I have mythbuntu diskless working and would like to resolve why resume is not working here is teh output of dmesg http://pastebin.com/2GFEj1dT
[07:52] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] dad@90e6ba974a82:~$ cat suspendresume [ 0.000000] ACPI: FACS 5ffb0000 00040 - Pastebin.com
[07:55] <rileyp> teh machine does resume to a gui but everythig is broken and no programs will run. I can move the mouse around and use firefox if was open before suspending. I opened mousepad and terminal prior to suspeending and then saved teh out put in the allready open window of mousepad. I can go to a tty session but on enterring my user name it crashes. or selecting a  program icon etc it crashes.
[07:56] <rileyp> It appears from dmesg that the ndb socket is nt coming back... any help much appreciated
[12:56] <rileyp>  http://pastebin.com/RYw1jzQp dmesg output my diskless client has problems after a suspend Im using mythbuntu disklesss
[12:56] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] [ 0.176221] Booting processor 2 APIC 0x1 ip 0x6000 [ 0.008000] Initializi - Pastebin.com
[21:02] <pixel8in> I am currently using Ubuntu 10.10 and have 11.04 installer on CD. My internet connection is slow and wondered if I could do the upgrade from the CD?
[21:03] <Shadow__X> why are you upgrading?
[21:04] <pixel8in> Should I stick with 10.10? I am not sure I understand your question.
[21:05] <Shadow__X> i am asking you why you want to upgrade to 11.04
[21:08] <pixel8in> I suspect that this is a leading question but read a recent review and it seems like a great idea to upgrade.
[21:09] <Shadow__X> well generally you leave backends without updating unless you need to
[21:09] <Shadow__X> so for example when i was on mythtv .22 i needed to upgrade past 8.04 to a newer one for support for .23
[21:10] <Shadow__X> thats a good reason but generally you want to stay with a stable machine with a stable os install and only upgrade if you have to
[21:12] <pixel8in> Do I understand you correctly, is ver 11.04 not stable? Please explain "backends"
[21:14] <Shadow__X> its not thats its not stable
[21:15] <Shadow__X> 10.10 will have more things ironed out because its older compared to 11.04 since its a newer release and for mythtv it uses frontends and backends
[21:20] <pixel8in> Thanks for the advice.
[21:21] <Shadow__X> yup also you can read up about mythtv at mythtv.org
[21:21] <Shadow__X> there is a lot of good information there
[21:22] <pixel8in> I will have a look, thanks again for the advice. Cheers
[21:22] <Shadow__X> yup


[21:22] <ahayes> cjwatson: Is there anything I can do to help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/728088 ? I can not get my system to boot after an iSCSI install, but before I give up and install disks, I can spend a bit of time helping to collect info and/or turn over the system for a bit.
[21:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 728088 in debian-installer "iscsi root with or without auth fails to boot" [High,Confirmed]


[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[15:48] <mhall119> ajmitch: wendar: stgraber: is there any way to get feedback from ARB app developers on whether or not they've noticed an increase in users after being published to USC?
[15:48] <wendar> mhall119: I'd just email them and ask
[15:49] <wendar> mhall119: there aren't any survey tools in MyApps, but then there also aren't a huge number of developers who have been published
[15:49] <mhall119> I wasn't sure if you had a mailing list for them or something
[15:49] <wendar> the mailing list is ubuntu-app-devel
[15:50] <mhall119> but people who submit apps aren't automatically subscribed to that are they?
[15:50] <wendar> but, I can't guarantee whether the developers have subscribed
[15:50] <wendar> right, it's optional
[15:50] <mhall119> right, and it'll go to a bunch of people who don't have apps published
[15:50] <wendar> and, there are plenty of subscribers who haven't submitted yet
[15:50] <wendar> yup


[03:17] <JanC> hm, FF9 is in ubuntu-security without the changelog listing one single security fix?
[03:26] <micahg> JanC: no, it should only be in -proposed ATM
[03:26] <micahg> we never put the fixes in the Firefox changelogs, I'll send out a USN when it moves to -security
[03:51] <alex_mayorga> JanC, micahg: FWIW http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox.html#firefox9
[03:52] <alex_mayorga> perhaps none of those apply to GNU/Linux?
[03:52] <micahg> alex_mayorga: thanks, Mozilla isn't pushing updates to everyone ATM either, so we're waiting until we come back from vacation to push to everyone
[04:38] <JanC> micahg: I got confused because the changelog says oneiric-security, I suppose...
[04:40] <JanC> and I would prefer mentioning of security bugs fixed in the changelog anyway (or at least a link to them)
[04:41] <micahg> JanC: we don't do that since we don't have them in advance of the upload in most cases, the bug will have a link to the USN when it's published
[04:41] <JanC> ugh
[13:50] <gnomefreak> any dchance lightning was updated for thunderbird-trunk. last i checked even upstream was not compatible and the nightly tool also didnt help. any ideas. also did anyone update chromium daily for precise yet?
[13:50] <gnomefreak> s/dchance/chance
[14:53] <kaddi> hi, can we get support to install FF-qt here? Or should I refer to the official FF channels?
[20:08] <FernandoMiguel> evening


[04:46] <JoseeAntonioR> guys, what are the technical difficulties ongoing in #u-unregged?
[04:51] <Unit193> If you are talking about the topic, that's a blanket for when people are forward banned to there do to unregistered flooding in #ubuntu (or another channel, or reason)
[04:53] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm, supposed something like that
[04:53] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks
[04:53] <Unit193> If you'll notice the date it was set.
[13:32] <jo-erlend> now I've purchased Diablo 3, which is supposed to work with the newest Wine. There's an issue with my VGA driver. Do we have an Ubuntu Gaming irc channel? Should we?
[13:34] <Myrtti> have you tried it yet with Wine? I heard on the news that Blizzard is banning the accounts that use wine
[13:34] <Myrtti> and you can't get a refund
[13:34] <Myrtti> and no, I don't know if we (should) have a gaming channel
[13:34] <jo-erlend> Myrtti, I'm not able to try it because there's an issue with my VGA driver.
[13:35] <jo-erlend> but if Blizzard bans me, then I'm ready, willing and able to be quite verbose about it. And we have laws in Norway to protect customers. So that doesn't worry me that much. In fact, I'd appreciate the opportunity to make some noise. :)
[13:36] <Myrtti> http://kotaku.com/5923068/report-blizzard-banning-diablo-iii-players-for-using-linux
[13:36] <Myrtti> hehe
[13:36] <Myrtti> anyway
[13:36] <jo-erlend> Myrtti, it is very important not to spread that rumour. Some users are banned. We do not know that it's exclusive to Linux users.
[13:37] <Myrtti> jo-erlend: which is why I looked up on how things have progressed since I last heard of it
[13:37] <Myrtti> (which was a good 14 hours ago or so)
[13:38] <Myrtti> "Playing the game on Linux, although not officially supported, will not get you banned – cheating will."
[13:38] <Myrtti> but moving on the actual subject
[13:38] <Myrtti> [14:38] [freenode] -alis !(alis@services.)- #ubuntu-gaming                     4 :Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GamingTeam/ Join and subscribe on  Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gaming
[13:38] <jo-erlend> this is the danger of having a community. The players who are using Windows doesn't have a community to complain to. We do. So we see a pattern and it's quickly visible. That doesn't mean Windows users aren't experiencing the same. Need more data! :)
[13:39] <Myrtti> so a very very quiet channel
[13:39] <jo-erlend> you think that'll last now that you've introduced me to it? :)
[13:40] <popey> bazhang, DJones tells me you might be able to help with http://ubuntuone.com/2apS8xscpa5L3JWTW8KUrD
[13:40] <Myrtti> hi popey, nice of you to remember us :-P
[13:40] <popey> knowing which button to press
[13:40] <popey> :p
[13:40] <Myrtti> popey: lol X-D
[13:41] <popey> I moved the chinese looking letters down in the language selector so English is at the top, then pressed the button which I think is "apply system wide"
[13:41] <popey> then that box pops up and I dont know what to press
[13:43] <Myrtti> jo-erlend: well I don't know how much you and four others manage to make ;-)
[13:43] <bazhang> popey, that uses simplified characters so I can mostly read it
[13:43] <popey> \o/
[13:44] <bazhang> the middle button on the lower part seems to be keep/preserve these settings
[13:44] <jo-erlend> Myrtti, if they're like me, then the five of us can make about as much noise as the PROC. :)
[13:47] <jo-erlend> but games are important to a lot of people and if Ubuntu wants to be important to some of them, then we should create a community for gamers.
[13:54] <popey> bazhang, seems whatever button I press I get an apport dump
[13:54]  * popey wonders how to change the locale without that dialog
[13:55] <bazhang> popey, I'll try and get someone from #ubuntu-cn to translate more fully
[13:56] <popey> oh thanks
 bazhang: 1,show details 2,keep the shut-down state 3,restart this program    <---- the buttons on the lower section
[16:24] <Tm_T> Mkaysi: with slight modifications, those two factoids applied (;