[21:19] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Bug #1872250
[21:20] <OvenWerks> sorry, kind of a hard to think of test for this thing...
[21:21] <OvenWerks> It works except when it doesn't :P
[21:36] <OvenWerks> I don't know about other DEs but plasma (kubuntu) on using ubuntu-bug gives some sort of book application instead of firefox :P possibly from installing studio on top.
[21:36] <OvenWerks> calibre
[21:39] <OvenWerks> I seemed to get that fixed by setting firefox as default browser but rightclicking on a link in the terminal still has the problem :P
[21:43] <OvenWerks> fixed
[21:44] <OvenWerks> But obviously a plasma bug
[21:44] <OvenWerks> I will look at controls later
[22:38] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Ok
[22:39] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Also, strange for calibre to take over that. I've only even had my default web browser show up, so might be some weird configuration that happens with calibre.
[23:30] <eylul[m]> calibre at some point ended up taking half of my http style default app, never figured why it happened
[23:30] <eylul[m]> and why it fixed itself
[23:30] <Eickmeyer> Very odd.
[23:30] <eylul[m]> nods
[23:30] <eylul[m]> now I have a similar issue with gimp having taken over some random file associations
[23:31] <Eickmeyer> Ew.
[23:31] <eylul[m]> and you have to remove them completely from the default app list for that file format, for it to not do it. (this is in 19.10)
[23:31] <eylul[m]> its strange.
[23:32] <Eickmeyer> Tells me somebody decided their applicaiton is more important than anyone else's.
[23:32] <eylul[m]> not sure if it is GIMP's mistake
[23:33] <eylul[m]> I put it on lower priority, and hit save, on plasma
[23:33] <eylul[m]> then it would somehow not save that, and still show GIMP as top option next time I opened the options
[23:33] <eylul[m]> even if I didn't open GIMP at all in between
[23:33] <Eickmeyer> Plasma makes it so easy to do that. No other DE has that capability without jumping through hoops.
[23:34] <eylul[m]> but remove GIMP completely from the list of available programs, and that works.
[23:34] <eylul[m]> is too mystified to even file a bug
[23:35] <Eickmeyer> Newer version of GIMP in 20.04, so there *might* be a fix.
[23:35] <eylul[m]> nods
[23:39] <OvenWerks> eylul[m]: when I moved calibre down the list... well actually I move firefox up the list. It seems to work now
[23:39] <eylul[m]> awesome
[23:39] <OvenWerks> This is plasma in 20.04
[23:40] <eylul[m]> and belatedly eickmeyer yes plasma makes it super easy to see what is default in a central location
[23:40] <eylul[m]> (well 20.04 is coming out very soon :) )
[23:41] <Eickmeyer> Just under two weeks. Less than a week until Final Freeze, and I can't seem to get anybody on the release team to look at the darktable upload/FFe that a Canonical employee did.
[23:41] <Eickmeyer> Rather frustrating.
[23:41] <eylul[m]> :(
[23:42] <Eickmeyer> I'm tempted to program a bot.
[23:42] <eylul[m]> starts laughing


[14:42] <davmor2> sbeattie: you pinged
[15:23] <davmor3> this is much snappier
[15:29] <fader_> Oh no, a new version of davmor.
[15:29] <fader_> I just finally got all the plugins for the old version configured!
[15:29] <davmor3> muhahahahaha
[15:29]  * davmor3 pokes fader_ with a big stick :P
[15:30] <fader_> Gah, I don't even see the option in davmor3 for 'disable abuse'
[15:30] <davmor3> fader_: it got removed by design muhahahahaha
[15:31]  * fader_ considers a 'fork' joke but wisely decides against it.
[15:31] <davmor3> I'm just testing empathy from the empathy-daily ppa it's a lot better and snappier with it :)
[15:32] <davmor3> fader_: was it "do they fork in hell"
[15:32] <fader_> davmor3: Heh... I just saw it inevitably leading to 'fork you' jokes.
[15:32] <sbeattie> davmor3: err, say what?
[15:33] <davmor3> What?
[15:33] <davmor3> d'oh
[15:34] <davmor3> sbeattie: I got ping off your msn account last night that didn't show up till I just logged in :)
[15:34] <sbeattie> ah, okay.
[15:49] <davmor2> fader_: hello
[15:49] <fader_> davmor2: Ah, the buggy old version of davmor.  I thought we got rid of you!
[15:49] <fader_> :P
[15:49] <davmor2> fsck you
[15:51] <fader_> Complete, no errors.  (I always knew I was perfect.)
[15:53] <davmor2> Not with the file system no it's just the junk it stores we have issues with ;)
[15:55] <sbeattie> fader_: an empty filesystem is unlikely to get corrupted. :-)
[15:55] <fader_> sbeattie: Ouch... the truth hurts :)
[15:55] <davmor2> sbeattie: sweet that's harsher than my retort :)
[18:04] <kyselejsyrecek> Hey guys, is anybody here who can try writing onto a device through gphoto2 protocol in nautilus in ubuntu karmic? I'm not able to copy a file or even create a directory on my two devices (Canon EOS 500D and SonyEricsson C902) through nautilus in jaunty nor intrepid (i didn't try it on older versions), i can only do that through the gphoto2 command line tool. See bug 386221
[18:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 386221 in libgphoto2 "gphoto2: Error when writing onto Canon EOS 500D" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/386221


[00:47] <dummkauf> Ok, I just downloaded the latest version of mythbuntu and am installing it on my media PC with an Nvidia GEFORCE 7300 video card.  I have had previous versions of mythbuntu working on this same hardware, but as soon as the installer loads, it shows everything but it just keeps scrolling by on the TV.
[00:48] <dummkauf> Is there a text based installer that would atleast get me to a command prompt where I could load the proprietary nvidia driver?
[00:48] <dummkauf> also, the connection out to the TV is over the S-video cable
[00:48] <dummkauf> any help would be greatly appreciated
[01:42] <Shadow__X> dummkauf: did you try another connection maybe vga or dvi
[01:56] <dummkauf> Shadow_X:  not yet, will be lugging the box downstairs to a monitor in a bit.  I'm just a bit baffled as every version prior to 10 I've done the whole install and setup on this box over s-video
[01:57] <Shadow__X> maybe the drivers for the 7300 have been moved to legacy and its causing issues? i really dont know
[02:00] <dummkauf> hmmm.....if I were to load an older version and then upgrade with the update manager, that wouldn't replace the working driver would it?
[02:00] <dummkauf> pretty sure I still have some old CD's around here somewhere
[02:01] <Shadow__X> try connecting it to a monitor first
[02:01] <dummkauf> will do
[09:38] <baalsgate> hello anyone alive here?
[09:39] <baalsgate> !help debug mythtv-setup
[09:40] <Zinn> !help debug mythtv-setup For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[09:42] <baalsgate> i am having a problem with mythtv-setup after upgrading to the lattest mythtv and ubuntu distro , the database is working have read 500 million web pages with no luck , just will not go into the setup the dialog box opens says a few things and closes then asks to run mythfilldatabase
[09:44] <baalsgate> I have reset the mythtv mysql password and still no luck , not sure what is causing it to bom out but is there any way to stop that dialog box from closing as it seems to havedebugging info in it
[10:39] <baalsgate> is there any point to looking for support in this channel ?
[10:58] <baalsgate> any info available on why I might be having an error in frontend like "Failed to query buttonlist state: selectactive "
[14:16] <rileyp> lirc does not respond to irexec commands until after I close mythtv
[14:16] <rileyp> It works sometimes but not always
[14:27] <baalsgate> anyone seen  "Failed to query buttonlist state: selectactive "
[14:31] <baalsgate> this is a great resource for wasting time
[14:52] <rileyp> lirc does not respond to irexec commands until after I close mythtv
[14:57] <tgm4883> baalsgate, snide remarks won't get you far. You ask questions at 2:00 AM and expect answers right away? I doubt that will happen
[14:57] <tgm4883> you might try the forums as well
[14:57] <baalsgate> i asked a question 6hrs ago
[14:58] <tgm4883> yea, 6 hours ago was 1:00 AM for me
[14:58] <rileyp> its midnight in au ;D
[14:58] <baalsgate> 2am is subjective ??? its just midnight here in australia
[14:59] <rileyp> getting sleepy
[14:59] <tgm4883> rileyp, baalsgate as much as I try not to sound like the internet revolves around the US, a majority of the users here are from the US
[14:59] <baalsgate> yes very
[14:59] <rileyp> tgm I agree
[14:59] <tgm4883> I suggest you go to the forums and ask there. There are more people on the forums and you don't have to wait around for an answer
[15:00] <tgm4883> baalsgate, as for your error, I haven't seen it, but what theme are you using?
[15:00] <tgm4883> that looks like a theme error
[15:00] <tgm4883> I'd try another theme perhaps
[15:00] <tgm4883> anyway, off to work
[15:01] <baalsgate> i have changed to different themes still get same problem
[15:01] <baalsgate> anyways im off too sleep i will try a forum thanks
[17:21] <tracy69> hi i want to ask what usb satellite card i could buy in pc world uk that willl work in ubuntu ?
[22:10] <piper69> howdy folks
[22:10] <piper69> can someone please take a look at my logs and tell me what is wrong...my mythbuntu keep freezing randomly http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/sRYrJdny
[22:52] <qwebirc14869> hi
[22:53] <qwebirc14869> anyone can point me to a wiki for mythbuntu with ccam client please  ..
[23:03] <tgm4883> wow
[23:03] <tgm4883> you ask about a forbidden topic
[23:03] <tgm4883> and wait 4 minutes before leaving
[23:03] <tgm4883> obviously you have standards
[23:24] <zuixro> Hey I just installed a kernel update, and Mythbuntu is taking 15 minutes to reboot. Has anyone else had this problem?
[23:25] <tgm4883> zuixro, I haven't seen that happen
[23:25] <tgm4883> you just did that today?
[23:25] <tgm4883> Is it scanning the disk perhsps
[23:26] <zuixro> I dunno, I'm about to just do a hard shutdown.
[23:26] <zuixro> Mythbackend crashed, and I couldn't get it to come back, so I rebooted, and it's just been spinning in the loading screen for 15 minutes
[23:31] <zuixro> Ok, I powered off, powered back on and it came up immediately, must have just been a fluke or something.


[05:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4330 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination
[10:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4364 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination
[17:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- LocutusOfBorg, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4365 Preparing packages


[00:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ubuntustudio-menu-add (eoan-proposed/primary) [0.1]
[01:09] <teward> release team: reject ubuntustudio-menu-add please, that was sponsored but on cursory review from sarnold due to some hatred of subprocess calls and unsafe wraps which I fully agree with.  (I did a cursory code review, and I've done these 'hacks' before but... I'm in full agreement it needs work after going more in-depth into the code)
[01:09] <teward> s/release team/archive admins/
[01:09] <teward> vorlon: ^ if you can
[01:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bash (cosmic-proposed/main) [4.4.18-2ubuntu3 => 4.4.18-2ubuntu3.1] (core)
[01:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bash (bionic-proposed/main) [4.4.18-2ubuntu1.1 => 4.4.18-2ubuntu1.2] (core)
[04:00] <vorlon> teward: done
[04:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected ubuntustudio-menu-add [source] (eoan-proposed) [0.1]
[07:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-edge [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.0.0-18.19~18.04.2]
[07:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-edge [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [5.0.0-18.19~18.04.2]
[07:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [4.18.0-23.24~18.04.1]
[07:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-edge [arm64] (bionic-proposed) [5.0.0-18.19~18.04.2]
[07:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.18.0-23.24~18.04.1]
[09:07] <jamespage> bdmurray: sorry missed your ping - let me look
[09:10] <jamespage> bdmurray: yes that's fine to superceed the one already in proposed - the patches for 2.3 are included in the new point release
[09:10] <jamespage> sahid: ^^
[09:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.15.0-53.57~16.04.1] (kernel)
[09:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe [ppc64el] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.15.0-53.57~16.04.1] (kernel)
[09:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-53.57~16.04.1]
[09:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [ppc64el] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-53.57~16.04.1]
[10:11]  * rbasak is (virtually) sprinting today and generally unavailable for SRU work - sorry
[10:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [4.15.0-1035.37] (kernel)
[10:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (disco-proposed/main) [5.0.0-1009.9] (core, kernel)
[10:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/main) [4.18.0-1014.15] (kernel)
[10:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [4.18.0-1014.15]
[10:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (disco-proposed) [5.0.0-1009.9]
[10:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1035.37]
[12:18] <acheronuk> vorlon: regards lmdb being required for appstream and possible MIR: https://github.com/ximion/appstream/commit/358e9394631b87797f56dcb7e09e459b4044e631#commitcomment-33995178
[12:51] <Laney> acheronuk: it's going to need it, feel free to get that filed if you want
[12:51] <Laney> desktop team's going to sign on for that one
[12:53]  * Laney attempts to deploy an autopkgtest-lxd-worker
[13:13] <coreycb> bdmurray: dosaboy is going to update the regression potential on 1722584
[13:27] <xnox> vorlon:  "xnox: s390-tools Depends: s390-tools-signed (= ${DEB_VERSION}) interesting" i thought you spotted unescaped string. But i checked, it's all doing correct stuff. I guess you did "interesting" comment similar to how apw said that "omg this is so much easier, i should steal that" although it is a bit of cheat =)
[13:43] <teward> vorlon: thanks for the reject, I'll make sure they get to fixing it.
[13:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: s390-tools (eoan-proposed/main) [2.9.0-0ubuntu3 => 2.9.0-0ubuntu3] (core)
[13:54] <vorlon> xnox: yes, and it's interesting because it also implies s390-tools-signed can't have packaging-only updates
[13:58] <xnox> vorlon:  i'm happy to decouple the two, if we do reproducible builds. Cause in practice it is very rare when stage3.bin actually changes. Thus imho I'd just make s390-tools download signed blob and ship it if it matches. And have s390-tools-signed contain sources, that are rebuilt reproducibly and publish signed blob with a version mangled to include the stage3 binary checksum. or something like that.
[13:58] <xnox> vorlon:  somehow i think a build should be able to generate a signing tarball, be suspended, and resume with launchpad having published signed bits somewhere. Ie. i'd love to move away from this dual-source package / two build-records.
[14:05] <vorlon> xnox: well you can talk to apw about lp signing services
[14:06] <cjwatson> That sort of rearrangement is serious work and a bit outside what apw has been doing
[14:06] <cjwatson> I don't object to the theory but it's Hard (tm)
[14:07] <cjwatson> (Well, I wouldn't do it quite like that but anyway)
[14:13] <apw> vorlon, what we are doing with other signed packages is letting them have wider versions
[14:16] <vorlon> apw: well, on grub and shim what we are doing is the -signed package depends on the unsigned one, so there are strict dependencies but the other way around and not assuming lockstep binary package versioning across source packages
[14:17] <apw> vorlon, yeah i recon mine are mostly that way too, and then use a >= instead for forward ones
[14:22] <apw> xnox, can you not just have the forward dep be more like Depends: >= $(DEB_VERSION) <= $(DEB_VERSION).99
[14:22] <apw> then the signing package can gain a .1 .2 if it needs to be revved without
[14:26] <cyphermox> vorlon: if I may, also we're quite close to having fully reproducible binaries for shim, modulo the signature.
[14:27] <cyphermox> the only issue at this point is the ephemeral key we use (which we could get rid of)
[14:30] <xnox> cjwatson:  yeah =) i can dream. But e.g. Intel had a rest-api signing service like that. And OBS does something like that similarly. I.e. i'd be happy for launchpad to take the build-dep, and mangle it for me to attach sigs / replace files, before .deb is published. for example. but yeah, quite a lot of rearrangements.
[14:30] <xnox> for just like what - 4-5 signy things
[14:41] <cjwatson> xnox: Yes, such a project is in the LP backlog
[14:41] <cjwatson> And has sort of half a design
[14:42] <cjwatson> Won't be this cycle though
[14:48] <vorlon> apw: do you have any idea why all the bionic daily builds are reporting linux-generic-hwe-18.04 uninstallable in bionic-proposed?  I thought maybe it was build skew, but things appear to have been published 20+ hours ago and the last build failure email I have is from 7 hours ago; and I can't seem to reproduce the uninstallability locally
[14:57] <apw> vorlon: sitting in new for signed overnight
[15:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted bash [source] (cosmic-proposed) [4.4.18-2ubuntu3.1]
[16:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted bash [source] (bionic-proposed) [4.4.18-2ubuntu1.2]
[17:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted glib2.0 [source] (disco-proposed) [2.60.4-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:06] <ddstreet> bdmurray for lp #1831933 would you prefer if i attach debdiffs (or open MPs) or just upload to the sru queues myself?
[17:15] <bdmurray> ddstreet: uploading to the queues themselves is fine with me but you'll also want to run pre-build.sh so mirrors.cfg, DistUpgradeVersion.py, and the demotions files get updated. Its not necessary to document those changes in the changelog though.
[17:18] <ddstreet> ack, thanks will do
[18:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (disco-proposed/main) [1:<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[18:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[18:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (bionic-proposed/main) [1:18.04.33 => 1:18.04.34] (core)
[20:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted s390-tools [s390x] (eoan-proposed) [2.9.0-0ubuntu3]
[21:40] <xnox> vorlon:  is https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/bionic/update_excuses.html stuck?
[21:40] <xnox> i expect pass for all the openssl, and results are visible on a.u.c but not in excuses =/ i am confused.
[21:43] <Laney> xnox: you can view the logs under https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/log/
[21:43] <Laney> the answer is yes
[21:43] <Laney> same reason as was being discussed in #ubuntu-devel
[21:49] <Laney> should I try to fix fauxpkg.py to ignore FauxPackages if it'd clobber a real pkg?
[21:50] <Laney> I can't really explain why this suddenly broke for gnome-shell though - my only theory is that the production copy of FauxPackages wasn't being used properly (something to do with the observed conflict)
[21:59] <xnox> ah
[22:00] <vorlon> or should fauxpkg.py be changed to output the entry with Architecture: foo instead of Architecture: all?
[22:03] <Laney> it's not only the Architecture section that breaks it - any mismatch causes errors
[22:03] <vorlon> ok
[22:05] <Laney> well if we're going to remove it then I'll pass on any fixes to the script for now
[22:05] <Laney> we can reconsider if it comes up again
[22:06] <Laney> (sorry for anyone following - this was split between #ubuntu-release and #ubuntu-devel)
[22:10] <infinity> Laney: Ignore-if-clobber would work too, yeah.  If you can see a way to trivially slap that in somewhere, I don't think it would be wrong.
[22:26] <Laney> infinity: Something like https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~laney/britney/fauxpkg-no-clobber/revision/318
[22:26] <Laney> Packages_arch aren't already parsed, unfortunately (but it seems to be reasonably speedy)
[22:30]  * Laney is off - feel free to do whatever with that
[22:30] <infinity> Laney: Yeah, that seems vaguely reasonable, except maybe for the section.get('Source'.. bit that I don't understand cause I don't speak python-apt. :)


[05:21] <mapps> morn
[05:37] <MartijnVdS> morning
[05:37] <mapps> :)
[05:37] <MartijnVdS> I actually ordered the i7/512GB XPS13
[05:37] <MartijnVdS> *ouch my wallet*
[05:37] <mapps> hopefully can sleep easier this am
[05:38] <mapps> nice
[05:38] <mapps> :D
[05:38] <mapps> dell? xps is dell so must be
[05:38] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[05:38] <MartijnVdS> it's the "Ubuntu laptop" (developer edition)
[05:38] <mapps> aha
[05:39] <mapps> prob too much for me
[05:39] <mapps> i buy cheapo laptops:)
[05:39] <MartijnVdS> they have a €250 Ubuntu laptop too ;)
[05:39] <mapps> ;D
[06:25] <nucc1> Greetings, slumbering citizens of the empire. Pray tell, what tool might one use to move from a small SSD to a big SSD?
[06:34] <nucc1> oh well, good old dd
[07:52] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:28] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[08:28] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[08:28] <knightwise> how are you dude :)
[08:30] <brobostigon> not bad, date night with my gf last night, a nice restaurant and drinks, overall pretty good. and you?
[08:31] <knightwise> going camping for the weekend (hope the weather holds)
[08:31] <knightwise> watching this cool tv show Mr Robot
[08:31] <brobostigon> :)
[08:34] <knightwise> great show for geeks like us
[08:34]  * brobostigon googles
[08:36] <knightwise> I suggest you piratebays :p
[08:40] <knightwise> so great to hear a cover from Jaques Brell's "ne me quitte pass" in that episode.
[08:54] <popey> Morning all
[08:55] <brobostigon> morning popey
[09:01] <knightwise> hey popey brobostigon
[09:05] <brobostigon> hello again knightwise
[10:01] <bashrc_> morning
[13:21] <diddledan> afternoon
[15:03] <daftykins> o/
[15:03] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/s8nzxu9e81o0whm/IMG_20150627_155105.jpg?dl=0
[15:03] <daftykins> =]
[18:34] <mapps> yello
[18:36] <penguin42> hey
[19:15] <diddledan> evening
[20:24] <penguin42> has anyone used the virginmedia wifi thing on the tube, how does it know you're one of the VM customers so it's free?
[20:25] <foobarry> enter your username password i think
[20:25] <foobarry> or register your phone from your account
[20:25] <foobarry> sorry just guessing cos i 'm not a customer , it didn't work for me
[20:26] <penguin42> well I'm logged into their normal web account and I can't see anything there about registering for it; and when I'm on my day out in London I'm not sure what I'll need - oh well, I'll find out
[20:27] <foobarry> https://tfl.gov.uk/campaign/station-wifi
[20:27] <foobarry> http://my.virginmedia.com/wifi/virgin-media-customers.html
[20:28] <penguin42> foobarry: Well found
[20:28] <penguin42> foobarry: Somewhat scary entering an account password for something like that into a portal on wifi
[20:30] <foobarry> i don't have any of those providers
[20:30] <foobarry> giffgaff :(
[20:32] <penguin42> actually, I doubt I'll do much on the tube actually, it's a business trip so I'll probably mainly be in annoying meetings all day
[20:33] <penguin42> at least that will have wifi and my hotel is supposed to as well
[20:34] <foobarry> ugh gotta do the washing up before bed
[20:36] <penguin42> buy a dishwasher
[20:37] <foobarry> i have one
[20:37] <foobarry> but its the slow cooker and george foreman grillotron
[20:38] <foobarry> needs some elbow grease
[23:24] <pi_> Mits Rpi2


[01:03] <jdstrand> mathiaz: why not debconf message?  echo may get lost.
[01:05] <keescook> mathiaz: I think debconf or Debian.NEWS (is that the right file) is the way to go.  Check with mvo?  I haven't actually done that before.
[01:06] <keescook> Riddell: something went wrong with my mythtv/mythplugins upload yesterday (it never hit soyuz somehow), can I just re-upload it, or do I need a full UVFe for it?
[01:06] <Riddell> keescook: just upload
[01:07] <keescook> Riddell: okay, thanks, trying again.
[01:07] <keescook> ah! I see what happened.  I mis-generated the changes file and forgot the orig.  I'm dumb.
[01:22] <rbrito> Hi there.
[01:22] <rbrito> Is there anybody seeing problems with the PowerPC port here?
[01:22] <rbrito> Especially today's build?
[01:23] <rbrito> I have some quite psychedelic colours on my framebuffer.
[01:23] <rbrito> This doesn't happen with MacOS X or with Debian.
[01:24] <rbrito> And it didn't happened with earlier builds of gutsy...
[01:25] <rbrito> It is unusable, unfortunately.
[01:25] <rbrito> Has anybody seen this?
[01:26] <rbrito> I have an iBook G3 600MHz with a Rage Mobility M3.
[01:26] <rbrito> Old vintage with 8MB of VRAM.
[01:28] <rbrito> I would like to help with the port (as I mentioned yesterday here, I don't know how platforms qualify as "supported" under Ubuntu).
[01:28] <rbrito> Under Debian, I know the procedures for qualification of a port...
[01:28] <rbrito> But I would like to help get Ubuntu working fine in as many computers that I can.
[01:32] <rbrito> Also, this bug is a complete show-stopper:
[01:32] <rbrito> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/126146
[01:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126146 in initramfs-tools "gutsy doesn't boot completely on powerpc (dup-of: 131150)" [Undecided,New]
[01:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131150 in initramfs-tools "IDE drivers not loaded at boot with powerpc" [High,Confirmed]
[01:33] <rbrito> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/124369
[01:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124369 in linux-source-2.6.22 "gutsy dailys wont boot on powerbook 3,5 (dup-of: 131150)" [Undecided,New]
[01:33] <rbrito> We seem to have unfortunate situations here with the bootstrapping process.
[01:34] <rbrito> :-(
[01:34] <rbrito> Can anybody help?
[01:34] <rbrito> I am willing to test anything that I can.
[01:41] <rbrito> Anybody can help?
[01:43] <minghua> rbrito: I think the best bet is filing a bug report.
[01:43] <minghua> rbrito: also it's (close to) weekend, so many developers are probably not here.
[01:43] <rbrito> minghua, Thanks for your answer.
[01:44] <rbrito> I already filed a bug report...
[01:44] <rbrito> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/126146
[01:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126146 in initramfs-tools "gutsy doesn't boot completely on powerpc (dup-of: 131150)" [Undecided,New]
[01:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131150 in initramfs-tools "IDE drivers not loaded at boot with powerpc" [High,Confirmed]
[01:44] <rbrito> But it has not seen much attention. :-(
[01:45] <rbrito> And it is quite important now to support the powerpc platform.
[01:47] <rbrito> I say this because Apple is cutting support for all PowerPC computers that were based on any chips up to G3 with the next release of MacOS X and, thus, there is quite a lot of users that would benefit from a fine Operating system that Ubuntu Linux is.
[01:47] <bhale> I believe the fastest g3 is 500mhz or so, which is getting a little old for a full blown GNOME/KDE desktop
[01:47] <bhale> xubuntu might be a good choice
[01:48] <rbrito> bhale, no, I have a G3 here that is 600MHz and I have used G3 computers that were 900MHz.
[01:48] <rbrito> Stock from Apple.
[01:48] <rbrito> My iBook has 640MB of RAM.
[01:48] <bhale> thats not bad
[01:48] <stgraber> bhale: I have a Powerbook G3 working fine with KDE even with compiz and things like that
[01:49] <rbrito> stgraber, so, it seems that the userbase of PowerPC is not that small, at least. :-)
[01:50] <rbrito> I would be happy with just fluxbox, but not having the boot process working makes things harder.
[01:50] <stgraber> rbrito: well, it's more of a test/builder computer, my work laptop being a nice Core2Duo :)
[01:50] <rbrito> I am not even considering using compiz and all the superb stuff.
[01:51] <stgraber> yes, I also had that ide thing, I'll try doing a test with fixed initram when I have a moment
[01:51] <rbrito> stgraber, I don't have that much luck with my hardware, being in here in Brazil.
[01:51] <rbrito> stgraber, I would volunteer to be a tester.
[01:52] <rbrito> As you can see in the following bug report, I usually take my bugreports quite seriously and in a detailed fashion:
[01:53] <rbrito> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/123263
[01:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123263 in compiz "tribe-2 has severe problems due to screen effects enabled by default" [High,Confirmed]
[01:54] <rbrito> I usually do my best.
[01:55] <rbrito> bhale, I also have an older PowerMac that is dual-processor (inherited from my uncle).
[01:55] <rbrito> It has, though, an upgrade of processor to a G3 450MHz.
[01:57] <rbrito> bhale, and, as you can see here, I have a bit of experience with older PowerPC machines:
[01:57] <rbrito> http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/04/msg00434.html
[01:58] <rbrito> stgraber, Do you have anything that I could test now?
[01:58] <rbrito> I eagerly want to help.
[01:59] <rbrito> Actually, I would love to see PowerPC supported back to the same level that it was before...
[01:59] <rbrito> Not as a port.
[01:59] <rbrito> And talking about ports, are there mirrors of ports.ubuntu.com?
[02:00] <rbrito> I have done some quick searches and found none...
[02:00] <rbrito> My download rates from ports.ubuntu.com are terribly slow. :-(
[02:02] <rbrito> Having PowerPC with a good supported status would be superb.
[02:02] <rbrito> But I can't even install it due to the bugs that I pointed above... :-(
[02:02] <rbrito> I can really test any images that are around.
[02:03] <rbrito> I am willing to be a guinea pig and help get my laptop in working conditions so that I can deliver some classes...
[02:03] <rbrito> With a modern distribution.
[02:05] <rbrito> well, it seems that there is not much momentum to help the PowerPC port... :-(
[02:05] <rbrito> I'd love to be helpful to the distribution...
[02:05] <Trewas> rbrito: you could not have picked a more desperate time to bring it up here as it is middle of the night in europe (where many of the devels are) and weekend :)
[02:06] <rbrito> Trewas, sorry, the differences in timezones...
[02:06] <Trewas> not that I have anything to do with the development of ubuntu... just a side note
[02:07] <rbrito> I thought that Ubuntu had developers in the Americas...
[02:07] <rbrito> Trewas, that's ok.
[02:07] <ScottK> rbrito: There are some.
[02:08] <rbrito> ScottK, but would there be any involved with the boot process?
[02:08] <rbrito> I would like to help.
[02:08] <ScottK> Not that I know of.
[02:08] <rbrito> It seems to be a moderately trivial fix...
[02:08] <ScottK> European week day is your best bet.
[02:08] <ScottK> You could also attach a patch to the relevant bug.
[02:09] <rbrito> ScottK, Oh, ok. I guess that I will have to wait.
[02:09] <rbrito> The fix is just an echo ide-core > /proper/module/loading/file
[02:09] <rbrito> That's it.
[02:10] <ScottK> I'd still make a patch and attach it.  It's more likely to be looked at.
[02:10] <rbrito> But the bug persists in that even with newer kernel images than 2.6.22-6 (I tried 2.6.22-9) the problem surfaces...
[02:11] <rbrito> ScottK, Ok, I think that I will have to do that...
[02:11] <rbrito> Well, I'm going now.
[02:11] <rbrito> Thank you very much for all the help you've provided.
[02:12] <rbrito> I really hope to have PowerPC better supported in tribe-5 and in the final release.
[02:13] <rbrito> See ya
[02:36] <keescook> what's the right replacement for libmyspell-dev in Depends?  (bug 133062)
[02:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133062 in ifrench "FTBFS (Package libmyspell-dev is not available)" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133062
[02:39] <minghua> keescook: libhunspell-dev, it seems.
[02:39] <keescook> minghua: cool, thanks.
[02:55] <bddebian> heya
[03:04] <prabs> hi guys, just wondering if we get karma points for uploading .po too? or is it for the things we do in launchpad that counts?
[03:07] <Fujitsu> prabs: That's more of a #launchpad question.
[05:13] <xhaker_> !find jni.g
[05:13] <xhaker_> !find jni.h
[05:14] <ubotu> Package/file jni.g does not exist in feisty
[05:14] <ubotu> File jni.h found in classpath-common, firefox-dev, gcc-snapshot, j2sdk1.4, java-gcj-compat-dev (and 9 others)
[06:26] <fabbione> NOTICE: ubuntulog is going down for a few hours for maintainance
[10:49] <fabbione> well.. all back online
[11:05] <pygi> xhaker_, poke
[12:31] <SimIJskes> hello
[12:32] <SimIJskes> i have patched libpoppler so that it delegates some font name translation to fontconfig, is there anybody else working on this subject?
[12:33] <Riddell> SimIJskes: isn't that something for upstream?
[12:33] <SimIJskes> you tell me. i only like to include it in ubuntu
[12:53] <StevenK> Mithrandir: If you're around, do you mind NBS'ing some binaries  out of the archive?
[12:58] <SimIJskes> Riddell: do you know of a motu developer who likes to adopt this?
[01:00] <Seveas> SimIJskes, such changes really should go upstream...
[01:00] <Seveas> SimIJskes, and libpoppler is in main, so not the domain of the MOTU
[01:01] <SimIJskes> Seveas: it's only a little patch.
[01:01] <SimIJskes> Seveas: who does main?
[01:10] <croftj> Hi Yall
[01:13] <croftj> Hi, I'm trying to find a list of packages that come standard on ubutnu or kubutnu, can anyone point me there?
[01:16] <RAOF> croftj: Check out the dependencies/recommends of [k] ubuntu-desktop.
[01:18] <croftj> Help me, I'm not a ubutnu user so I'm not familiar with the web site. Is that under the docs?
[01:20] <croftj> Found it! http://packages.ubuntu.com
[01:25] <Fujitsu>  /win 16
[01:25] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[01:25] <croftj> Have yall checkout the suse build server? Lets you build packages for lots of distributions. Pretty slick
[01:35] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[01:35] <norsetto> hiya
[01:41] <Mithrandir> StevenK: preferably not, unless it's urgent?
[01:42] <croftj> Hi
[01:42] <Dreadddddd> Preved amerikan4egi!!!
[01:43] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I'm guessing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ion3/+bug/115142 can be closed?
[01:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115142 in ion3 "New distribution conditions based on trademark claim" [Medium,Confirmed]
[01:43] <terrorX> greeting's ?
[01:45] <Dreadddddd> terrorX    ?
[01:45] <Dreadddddd>    greeting's ?
[01:45] <terrorX>
[01:45] <terrorX>
[01:46] <terrorX>
[01:46] <terrorX>     )
[01:46] <elkbuntu> eep
[01:46] <Dreadddddd> davay
[01:46] <terrorX> zdrasti tela! =)
[01:46] <terrorX> xotya vsyo ravno ne poymut ni razu )
[01:46] <Dreadddddd> elkbuntu epp herself
[01:46] <Dreadddddd> :\
[01:46] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, Dreadddddd and terrorX are spamming
[01:47] <terrorX> stuka4 ebu4iy
[01:47] <Dreadddddd> 4ootta spamming ?
[01:47] <terrorX> wi a russian people?
[01:48] <terrorX> a naverno nenado bilo
[01:48] <Dreadddddd> terrorX #help
[01:48] <terrorX> iii
[01:49] <Hobbsee_> op
[01:49] <elkbuntu> :)
[01:50] <Hobbsee_> finally.
[01:50] <Hobbsee_> stupid slow connection.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> hi LongPointyStick
[01:52] <LongPointyStick> oh, so we are here
[02:13] <phoenix_> hey
[02:13] <phoenix_> i got a via vt8251 chipset
[02:13] <phoenix_> doesnt detect my drives
[02:13] <phoenix_> can it be added or can u point me to a feisty driver
[02:13] <phoenix_> only found dapper
[02:13] <phoenix_> dapper driver that is
[02:14] <phoenix_> http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=45&CatID=3270&SubCatID=167
[02:16] <Hobbsee> suggest you try #ubuntu for support
[02:16] <phoenix_> ther we go :)
[02:17] <phoenix_> Hobbsee,  i was just wondering will ther be vt8251 drivers or kernel modudles for gutsy or feisty ?
[02:17] <phoenix_> only found dapper ones
[02:17] <Hobbsee> i have no idea, and it is a weekend.
[02:17] <phoenix_> oh well
[02:17] <phoenix_> thkx for answering tho
[02:39] <Hobbsee> ogra: impressive way to misspell my name.  i dont think anyone's ever managed it *that* way before.
[02:43] <fabbione> Hobbsee: where is that?
[02:44] <norsetto> hmmmm, not that I didn't try :-)
[02:44] <Hobbsee> fabbione: distro team meeting
[02:44] <fabbione> oh i see
[06:21] <geser> Mithrandir: ion3 moved into non-free in Debian. Should we follow and move it into multiverse?
[06:23] <Mithrandir> geser: yes.  Done.
[06:23] <Mithrandir> (and thanks)
[06:24] <geser> ion3-scripts and ion3-mod-ionflux should also be moved to multiverse as they depend on ion3
[06:25] <Mithrandir> geser: thanks, fixed.
[06:42] <geser> Mithrandir: please give-back kde4addons on amd64 and powerpc. Thanks.
[06:43] <Mithrandir> geser: gegebt-back
[06:55] <asac> pygi: huh?
[06:55] <asac> pygi: why gnash? thought you were on swfdec?
[07:47] <pygi> asac, I'm on everything xD
[07:48] <pygi> asac, swfdec is packaged and reported bug about it (not swfdec-mozilla yet tho)
[07:48] <asac> pygi: what did you do to gnash? can you pleaes tell me?
[07:49] <pygi> asac, because of that upgrade from 3? we talked about that xD
[07:49] <pygi> asac, just did work on my branch, uploaded nothing
[07:49] <asac> ah ok
[07:52] <asac> pygi: so is revision 102 exactly the same that is uploaded as ubuntu4?
[07:54] <asac> pygi: i read "for people with ubuntu3 and ubuntu4 packages
[07:55] <asac> "
[07:55] <asac> is ubuntu4 broken as well?
[07:55] <asac> ok nevermind
[07:57] <pygi> asac, no, ubuntu4 isn't broken
[07:57] <pygi> asac, but it needs modification so people with 3 could safely upgrade
[07:57] <asac> yeah i saw that now ... i just was a bit confused by changelog wording
[07:58] <asac> but thats ok
[07:58] <pygi> you should test that fix, so we're sure it's fine
[07:58] <pygi> kk :)
[07:58] <asac> i will before the upload ;)
[07:58] <pygi> asac, swfdec0.5.1 here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/swfdec0.4/+bug/133052
[07:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133052 in swfdec0.4 "[needs review]  swfdec0.5.1 [needs upload] " [Undecided,New]
[07:58] <pygi> I'll work on swfdec-mozilla today or tomorrow, or so
[07:58] <pygi> soon anyway xD
[07:58] <asac> sure ... tell me when its there ... i will do both at once then
[07:59] <pygi> oki =)
[08:00] <asac> does swfdec have a branch as well?
[08:00] <pygi> asac, nop, because you said you wanted mainline branch to be part of motu
[08:00] <pygi> asac, and I can't do that
[08:01] <pygi> but I can create my personal branch if you wish
[08:02] <ScottK> swfdec0.5 will be a new package, right?
[08:06] <asac> pygi: yes please do
[08:06] <asac> actually i think we should name the source package just swfdec
[08:07] <ScottK> Either way, it'll be a new source package.
[08:08] <asac> technically yes
[08:10] <asac> politically i would say no :)
[08:16] <pygi> asac, personally, I like the way it is now
[08:16] <pygi> asac, for now at least
[08:17] <pygi> asac, because Company uses version as part of soname
[08:21] <pygi> asac_, what's the last thing you saw? xD
[08:24] <asac_> pygi: i will ping you again ... have to reboot gateway because of kernel upgrade ... and more importantly reset my modem
[08:24] <asac_> pygi: i saw 20:10 < asac> politically i would say no :)
[08:24] <asac_> nothing more
[08:24] <asac_> cu soon
[08:24] <pygi> asac_, I didnt got that :)
[08:24] <pygi> laters =)
[08:24] <asac_> oh
[08:24] <asac_> hehe
[08:24] <asac_> yeah
[08:24] <asac_> bye
[08:53] <pygi> wb asac
[08:53] <pygi> asac, so what you didn't saw from me is:
 asac, personally, I like the way it is now
 asac, for now at least
[08:53] <pygi> * ryu (n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu) has joined #ubuntu-devel
 asac, because Company uses version as part of soname
[08:54] <asac> well ... but having a new source package for each single new version is not really great
[08:55] <pygi> asac, we have new source package anyway
[08:56] <asac> yes ... but if we drop version from it now we won't have that next time
[08:56] <pygi> asac, ah, k
[08:57] <asac> since company offered to track abi if we care ... we should probably let him know that we care :)
[08:58] <pygi> asac, :P
[08:58] <pygi> nod =)
[09:00] <pygi> asac, ok, my suggestion follows: do it like swfdec0.5 now, and when we get proper abi from Company, do it the right way?
[09:00] <pygi> or you want to do it now
[09:02] <asac> better do it now ... otherwise we just put load on source NEW reviewers
[09:03] <asac> having versioned binaries is enough for now
[09:03] <pygi> oh well, k
[09:20] <pygi> asac, Baby was searching for you in #gnash
[09:22] <asac> yeah ... tomorrow i will join that channel again :)
[09:22] <asac> thanks!
[09:24] <asac> ok i will join now
[09:27] <pygi> asac, :D
[09:49] <rgl> hi
[09:50] <asac> hi rgl
[09:50] <rgl> OT: how can I configure xvncviewer to not trap the F8 key?
[09:51] <sbalneav> rgl: Wrong channel for that, Try #ubuntu
[09:52] <rgl> sbalneav, I did.  but noone answers. :D
[09:52] <sbalneav> Then maybe no-one knows.
[09:52] <Seveas> rgl, then this is still the wrong chan
[09:52] <rgl> thats why I asked here. :D
[09:52] <sbalneav> rgl: have you read the man page? It tells you in there.
[09:54] <rgl> sbalneav, oh you are right.  I'm sorry :-(
[11:26] <geser> Mithrandir: when I asked for a give-back for kde4addons some hours ago, did you do it for gutsy or for feisty-backports?
[12:14] <crimsun> asac: WRT flashplugin-nonfree, cf. Debian #398666
[12:15] <ubotu> Debian bug 398666 in flashplugin-nonfree "flashplugin-nonfree: fails to install with debconf "noninteractive" with message "download or license refused"" [Grave,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/398666
[12:19] <asac> crimsun: that is still open
[12:19] <asac> crimsun: did you remove that because of this?
[12:19] <crimsun> asac: no, the Debian maintainer did
[12:20] <asac> crimsun: ok we need it ... its pretty illegal to not display it afaik
[12:20] <asac> crimsun: do you have an idea how to resurrect it?
[12:20] <asac> e.g. what the exact changes were?
[12:22] <crimsun> asac: Bart's changes are in <IP_ADDRESS>.1; essentially, you'd need to revert his debian/templates and debian/config changes
[12:22] <crimsun> (change the default download to "no" for starters)
[12:23] <asac> crimsun: default download == display license?
[12:24] <crimsun> asac: yes.
[12:24] <crimsun> asac: it's Template: flashplugin-nonfree/httpget
[12:25] <asac> how easy is it to decouple that ?
[12:26] <asac> i mean we have to ask user to accept that license everytime
[12:26] <asac> ... so debconf for that is just wrong ... or do i miss the point here?
[12:27] <asac> let me look that ugly package :(
[12:29] <crimsun> it wouldn't be terribly difficult to decouple, but it is messy as you imply.


[01:06] <Takyoji> Apparently my connection speed is 15Mbps
[01:06] <Takyoji> Whereas it was originally 10Mbps
[01:07] <Takyoji> Would be nice if my ISP focused on IPv6 support rather than a red herring of higher Mbps
[01:43] <Takyoji> How have I not known of this before? http://opensourceforamerica.org/
[03:00] <fisch246> o cool
[03:01] <fisch246> i may bring that up in the next Open Source Brotherhood Summit
[03:07] <fisch246> i'm proud to be apart of a non-profit organization for open source devs :)
[17:43] <Jay-Cee> Ok, so I'm at http://ubuntu-minnesota.org/events and the only even showing is the maverick release, I know i've found a calender here before, but just can't get to it today
[17:44] <Jay-Cee> Can anybody help me ?
[20:53] <Jay-Cee> I got it figured out, I added a link to the calendar at the bottom of the events page


[00:13] <Aki-Thinkpad> !ping
[09:52] <alarmschaben> Short beginner's question: where can I find unreleased development version like 2:8.4.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~rc4?
[10:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:06] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:22] <lapion> does anyone in here have a solution for when a xserver crashes mid-upgrade
[16:22] <lapion> the upgrade is still busy, however I have no frontend for interactions.