[05:29] <craigbrash> morning world :)
[06:46] <philipballew> craigbrash, hello
[07:14] <h0912> hi africa :)
[07:24] <Kilos> helloooo africa
[07:24] <Kilos> hi craigbrash
[07:34] <craigbrash> hi Kilos
[07:36] <Kilos> just read sinclairs mail, he is right, we need to keep contact mainly,  and let things grow from there
[07:37] <Kilos> whole of africa is in a troubled state atm so one has to just ride the tide for now
[07:41] <ongolaBoy> hello :)
[07:41]  * ongolaBoy was offline since 2,3 weeks :)
[07:44] <Kilos> hi ongolaBoy
[07:44] <Kilos> we noticed yes
[07:45] <Kilos> all ok there?
[07:45] <Kilos> hi theShirbiny
[07:48] <ongolaBoy> I'm fine at my side . A bit busy but it's ok
[07:49] <Kilos> good
[07:55] <philipballew> Kilos, greeting man!
[07:56] <elacheche> Morning Africa :)
[07:56] <Kilos> hi philipballew elacheche
[07:57] <philipballew> Kilos, How is life in your neck of the woods?
[09:13] <Kilos> alive philipballew
[09:13] <Kilos> sorry im so slow
[09:13] <philipballew> Kilos, dont die! Its chill that you are slow
[09:14] <Kilos> lol i wont die man
[09:14] <Kilos> im too stubborn
[09:15] <Kilos> you guys just look after here till im in top form again
[10:18] <theShirbiny> hey Kilos
[14:30] <Fatar> Hey everyone
[14:30] <Fatar> Sup kilos what was that email about?
[14:41] <craigbrash> Hello Fatar
[14:44] <Fatar> was that your email craigbash?
[14:45] <craigbrash> not mine but which one?
[14:46] <craigbrash> From O.Sinclair?
[15:28] <Kilos> oh
[15:30] <Kilos> saying you guys are a tiny group so difficult to push only windows, but thats good too because many peeps that switch to linux end up using ubuntu in one way or anothger
[15:30] <Kilos> another
[15:30] <Kilos> sorry i was asleep
[15:49] <Fatar> the sleep pills strike again Kilos?
[15:49] <Kilos> haha still
[15:50] <Kilos> they not even sleep pills, supposed to dilate veins and arteries
[17:31] <Na3iL> o/
[17:31] <Na3iL> Kilos, hows you :)
[17:42] <Kilos> good ty Na3iL and you?
[17:42] <Na3iL> am good  :D
[19:38] <melodie> hi
[19:49] <melodie> hi Kilos ubuntiste-msakni
[19:49] <melodie> happy to see you
[19:49] <Kilos> hi melodie
[19:50] <Kilos> maybe Na3iL
[19:50] <Kilos> i dont remember if he does grahics as well
[19:50] <melodie> Na3iL ? what does Na3iL do?
[19:50] <melodie> ok
[19:50] <melodie> I'll upload a screenshot
[19:51] <Kilos> Na3iL ^^
[19:52] <melodie> this is the Alpha1, and I'm about to build the Beta 1.1
[19:52] <melodie> http://meets.free.fr/images/Malinux-2015-alpha1.png
[19:53] <Na3iL> o/
[19:53] <melodie> I would need the logos (not seen on this page) and the background be reused to get the plymouth theme show Malinux instead of Xubuntu
[19:53] <Na3iL> Yo Kilos melodie
[19:53] <melodie> hi Na3iL
[19:53] <Kilos> philipballew do you know graphics peeps with time
[19:53] <Na3iL> wassup guys
[19:54] <Kilos> Na3iL melodie buils things for peeps in africa
[19:54] <philipballew> probably noone who does things for free, but I can keep an eye open
[19:54] <Kilos> ty
[19:54] <Kilos> builds
[19:54] <Na3iL> Oh! cool Kilos keep it up melodie
[19:54] <melodie> Na3iL I'm remixing Xubuntu Trusty to do the Malinux edition which had been done in 2012 for the Mali teachers in high schools and universities and I'd like to make it very good. I need some help with a few things now that it's almost ok on the tech part
[19:55] <Na3iL> Great job melodie :) I think d4rk-5c0rp can help too
[19:55] <melodie> philipballew they don't have to do it for free, they can grab Malinux and remix it or adapt it for their own needs
[19:56] <melodie> Na3iL that would be nice
[19:56] <Na3iL> Besides, what kind of Artwork you need melodie
[19:56] <melodie> I have to warn you that the ISO is very large, because of the doc which is inside.
[19:57] <melodie> the one that allows using the Xubuntu plymouth theme to make it look like Malinux : I can provide the logo and background the graphist has to work with that (I don't have source files)
[19:57] <Na3iL> By the way, just wondering if you have did the distribution Malinux from the scratch?
[19:58] <melodie> I am using Xubuntu in Ubuntu Builder with the instructions of the guy who did the former one on top of Xubuntu 12.04
[19:58] <melodie> I use Xubuntu 14.04.3
[19:58] <Na3iL> Nice!
[19:58] <melodie> he provided scripts, which can't be used anymore and I ported the method with the normal principles I know of
[19:59] <melodie> I am about to do the third build, and it pains me to see the Xubuntu plymouth splash when it's a matter of knowing the graphic tools to get the same with the Malinux theme
[20:00] <Kilos> melodie Na3iL and d4rk-5c0rp  are in tunisia same as ubuntiste-msakni
[20:00] <melodie> oh ok!
[20:00] <Kilos> or elacheche
[20:00] <melodie> yes
[20:00] <Kilos> guys melodie is in france
[20:00] <melodie> I know both his nicks
[20:00] <Kilos> good
[20:00] <melodie> I'm nearby Toulouse
[20:01] <melodie> as is the man who does the computing job in the Non for profit association
[20:01] <melodie> they bring computers to Mali once a year, with this Xubuntu specifically branded for the schools there
[20:02] <Na3iL> Trés trés bien melodie :D
[20:02] <melodie> at the end of September we will have a full day meeting with computers coming from the companies who change their computers, (5 to 6 years old computers only) and we will prepare theme all together
[20:03] <melodie> Na3iL :D
[20:03] <melodie> I don't want to talk French because Kilos does not understand
[20:03] <Kilos> nono you are welcome
[20:03] <melodie> ok so you know, when it's ready you can get  it and test it
[20:03] <Kilos> i need to sleep anyway
[20:03] <melodie> if you can find me a graphist who can take a share of the job that would be really nice
[20:04] <melodie> then I'll send him the background and whatever he can use
[20:04] <Na3iL> Yeah I will look for some guys who can help you with this
[20:04] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:04] <melodie> good night Kilos take good care
[20:05] <melodie> Na3iL thanks!
[20:05] <Kilos> will do ty
[20:05] <Na3iL> You welcome melodie :)
[20:05] <melodie> I have to do a few things now, I'll bb later
[20:10] <Na3iL> Take ur time
[20:55] <ubuntiste-msakni> o/
[20:58] <elacheche_anis> o/
[21:13] <melodie> hi elacheche_anis
[21:14] <melodie> fail!
[22:39] <melodie> good night


[00:06] <Unit193> tardis: Know "The_Doctor" or Ttech?
[00:06] <tardis> Unit193: yes
[00:07] <Unit193> Figured with that timing
[04:25] <GoogleUrMom> Hi
[05:49] <bkerensa> =o
[05:49] <rww> oh, right, forgot about that one
[19:57] <m4v> http://pastebin.com/Ah9176Kr did someone ever saw that? or should I assume the one I'm helping is trying to troll me?
[19:58] <IdleOne> they are trolling you
[20:03] <tsimpson> it's only the content of /etc/lsb-release anyhow, easy enough to change
[20:04] <m4v> yeah, but the guy tells me he didn't change it, so I don't know what to think.
[20:04] <tsimpson> well, someone changed it...
[20:05] <IdleOne> windows would return that. so either they edited something or someone else did OR they are trolling.
[20:05] <tsimpson> or injected a lsb_release script somewhere in their $PATH
[20:05] <IdleOne> would not*
[20:05] <IdleOne> sorry.
[20:09] <oCean> m4v: let him md5sum `which lsb_release`
[20:09] <m4v> he left already, he gave a cat of the lsb-release file with the windows strings.
[20:10] <oCean> you could verify it by running an md5sum on that script
[20:24] <guntbert> I tried (out of curiosity) to see who is op for #ubuntu-de, chanserv told me: " You are not authorized to perform this operation."  why?
[20:25] <rww> guntbert: because /msg chanserv help set private is set
[20:25] <rww> you'd have to ask #ubuntu-de why that is, it's certainly not something Ubuntu's IRC Team mandates :)
[20:26] <guntbert> rww: clearly spoken, thx :-))


[00:15] <alex_mayorga> is the alpha usable?
[00:15] <alex_mayorga> !know-issues
[00:16] <alex_mayorga> !known
[00:27] <arand> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/alpha1#KnownIssues I guess...
[00:37] <alex_mayorga> arand: thanks is it usable?
[00:37] <Sensiva> alex_mayorga note that alpha2 will be out in 10 days or so, so that list isn't really "all" known issues
[00:38] <Sensiva> Usable has many relative definitions
[00:39] <arand> Well, it has quirks, but I would claim it usable.. The kvm I maintain hasn't failed me yet, but I don't get much hardware issues though I guess...
[00:40] <arand> And it's been up since, hmm, somewhere pre-alpha..
[00:41] <alex_mayorga> arand, Sensiva: thanks I also use pre alpha most of the times with no major hiccups
[00:41] <alex_mayorga> if I'm on 10.04 how do I backup my bluetooth config before jumping in?
[00:41] <Daekdroom> I installed 10.04LTS when it was Alpha 3 and it was alright. Still haven't done the 10.10 update because my ISP cut my bandwidth down to 140kbps
[00:42] <Sensiva> alex_mayorga that's something to be asked in #Ubuntu
[00:44] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: shame, what's their logic?
[00:44] <Daekdroom> alex_mayorga, 2 day delay on the payment
[00:44] <Daekdroom> And it'll take them 4 to get my speed back
[00:45] <Daekdroom> It totally looks like they don't know, let's say, SQL
[00:45] <alex_mayorga> Sensiva: did that change on meerkat?
[00:46] <Sensiva> alex_mayorga I don't know, I didn't test maverick yet :D
[00:46] <Daekdroom> alex_mayorga, either way you can backup the folder in your /home/
[00:47] <alex_mayorga> trying to find the bluetooth MAC address of a cell phone that was robbed :(
[05:14] <DanaG>  !find liblzmadec.so
[05:15] <DanaG> argh.
[08:26] <Ian_corne> anyone know if the battery icon will ever display the "fullness" of the battery again?
[10:58] <Fudge> loL
[11:07] <hrw> hi
[11:10] <hrw> is it normal that when pulseaudio is running then any alsa application cannot play?
[13:03] <edgy> Hi, with the latest updates I lost my wifi, any hint please?
[13:06] <edgy> AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter
[13:06] <edgy> 2.6.35-4-generic #5-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 16 20:42:35 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:11] <arand> edgy: Report a bug. Try booting the older kernel -> confirming it's a kernel issue.
[13:11] <arand> Or otherwise, see if yo can find the package in question and report agains that.
[13:15] <edgy> arand: somehow I have only one kernel now, looking via synaptics I cannot find an old kernel.
[13:15] <edgy> arand: though there is linux-image-2.6.32-305-ec2 which I guess not a regular kernel?
[13:16] <arand> Nah, that's for EC2, (Amozon cloud iirc)
[13:19] <bjsnider> edgy, you should be using the ath9k driver for your card
[13:20] <arand> From https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+publishinghistory You can get the individual builds, e.g. https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.35-3.4/+build/1792286 But I'd follow bjsnider's directions first.
[13:22] <edgy> $ lsmod |grep ath
[13:22] <edgy> ath9k                 101378  0
[13:22] <edgy> bjsnider: you see it's already loaded
[13:22] <bjsnider> yeah, so if you then do iwlist wlan0 scan
[13:24] <edgy> bjsnider: $ sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[13:24] <edgy> wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
[13:24] <bjsnider> try modprobe -r ath9k, then modprobe ath9k
[13:26] <bjsnider> also, dmesg will probably have useful messages concerning the situation as it is developing thought he boot process
[13:29] <hrw> 1is it normal that when pulseaudio is running then any alsa application cannot play?
[13:29] <edgy> bjsnider: let me reboot and retry again
[13:29] <hrw> edgy: "ifconfig wlan0 up"
[13:35] <bjsnider> hrw, should be quite the opposite
[14:44] <gnomefreak> cd MetaBot
[14:45] <gnomefreak> damn
[14:45] <Pici> wow
[14:45] <jpds> Hmm.
[14:45] <patdk-wk> freaking spam
[15:27] <Oli```> What do people use for the UI mocks like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundMenu ?
[15:32] <gnomefreak> Oli```: in what version of Ubuntu?
[15:32] <Oli```> gnomefreak: Any. I'm talking about the picture at the top, not any of the detail on that page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundMenu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=cases.png
[15:33] <Oli```> Or is somebody hand-drawing on a wacom (or scanning)?
[15:33] <gnomefreak> Oli```: you would be better off asking in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:34] <gnomefreak> i use the first one
[16:09] <Ian_corne> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/596918
[16:22] <patdk-wk> oh ya, I should try defrag again, now that I'm back :)
[16:27] <Ian_corne> defrag?
[16:32] <patdk-wk> ya, test the e2fs defrag again
[16:36]  * gnomefreak would worry more about Maverick bugs than defrg
[16:36] <gnomefreak> but hey thats just me
[16:36] <gnomefreak> it breaks your defrag means nothing
[16:38]  * gnomefreak gone for a bit
[16:41] <patdk-wk> gnomefreak, well I haven't hit any bugs yet :)
[16:41] <patdk-wk> I'm sure it's just a matter of time though
[17:02] <duffydack> will btrfs be available in a daily soon? tomorrow?
[17:05] <yofel> the installer should already show it believing https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-m-btrfs-support
[17:12] <duffydack> not seeing it
[17:12] <holstein> the alternate installer?
[17:13] <duffydack> desktop..  no alt installer for daily
[17:14] <holstein> maybe btrfs is only an availalbe option from the alternate installer?
[17:16] <duffydack> i thought that but there is no alt for dailies, but I dont see why it wouldnt appear in desktop instaler..
[17:16] <duffydack> ill zsync tomorrow
[17:17]  * holstein cant wait to kick the tires on btrfs :)
[17:18] <arand> Nah, I checked the d-i and ubiquity changelogs right after the blueprint change and there was no mention in the change logs, so I guess it's at least a daily-cycle away from the recent announcement
[19:55] <sebsebseb> Hi
[19:59] <Ian_corne> something is seriously leaking
[19:59] <Ian_corne> noone else noticing this?
[20:00] <guntbert> Ian_corne: ??
[20:01] <Ian_corne> I'm seeing memory usage of close to 100% (if i count swap too) and I can't figure it out, if I check the processes, it doesn't amount to what is actually used
[20:04] <patdk-wk> did you count kernel memory usage?
[20:15] <guntbert> Ian_corne: did you read http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ ?
[20:18] <Ian_corne> guntbert:
[20:18] <tsimpson> I like it, it has "Don't Panic!" written in large letters on the front cover
[20:18] <Ian_corne> it's not that
[20:19] <tsimpson> or is that the hitch-hikers guide I'm thinking of...
[20:20] <Ian_corne> http://pastebin.com/Mni0MfUx
[20:20] <patdk-wk> I don't see the issue
[20:20] <patdk-wk> that isn't very much ram usage
[20:20] <Ian_corne> yes it is
[20:20] <patdk-wk> how so?
[20:20] <Ian_corne> I start off with 150mb
[20:21] <Ian_corne> on a fresh boot
[20:21] <Ian_corne> or sometimes with that
[20:21] <patdk-wk> with or without X/gnome/...
[20:21] <Ian_corne> on a fresh boot
[20:21] <Ian_corne> with
[20:21] <Ian_corne> logged in
[20:21] <patdk-wk> mine uses 520megs, and I just rebooted
[20:21] <Ian_corne> I only have 1gb
[20:21] <Daekdroom> I'm using lucid and it uses 190MB post reboot
[20:21] <Ian_corne> how much do you have?
[20:21] <Daekdroom> (not counting cache)
[20:21] <patdk-wk> my maverick is used 520megs on boot
[20:22] <patdk-wk> now lucid server, is using 23megs on boot :)
[20:23] <Ian_corne> patdk-wk: how much do you have in total?
[20:23] <Ian_corne> my lucid box uses 800mb but it has 8gb
[20:23] <patdk-wk> 1gig
[20:23] <Daekdroom> Using 520megs after a boot is really leaking >.>
[20:23] <Ian_corne> idd
[20:23] <patdk-wk> daekdroom, by definition, that isn't leaking :)
[20:23] <patdk-wk> just large :)
[20:23] <Ian_corne> if you add up the % number in for example htop
[20:24] <Ian_corne> does it add up?
[20:24] <Ian_corne> it doesn't for me
[20:24] <Daekdroom> Kernel doesn't show up there, Ian_corne
[20:24] <Daekdroom> patdk-wk, 64bits or 32bits?
[20:24] <Ian_corne> I'm at 32 bit
[20:24] <Ian_corne> oh Daekdroom
[20:24] <Ian_corne> how can i see that then?
[20:24] <patdk-wk> 32bit
[20:26] <patdk-wk> Ian_corne, you do know it should never really add-up
[20:26] <Ian_corne> any way to see the usage of the kernel?
[20:26] <Ian_corne> patdk-wk: I didn't know the kernel didn't show up
[20:26] <Ian_corne> And now it happened after a suspend
[20:26] <patdk-wk> well, also, shared memory doesn't show up
[20:26] <Ian_corne> graphics?
[20:26] <patdk-wk> so you will show shared memory as being used by each program, making it larger
[20:27] <patdk-wk> no
[20:27] <patdk-wk> any kind of shared memory not using shm's or whatever it is
[20:27] <Ian_corne> so the % should overshoot the actuall number?
[20:27] <patdk-wk> %
[20:27] <patdk-wk> I dunno what you mean
[20:27] <patdk-wk> I don't use htop
[20:27] <patdk-wk> I use ps
[20:27] <Ian_corne> ps also shows %
[20:28] <Ian_corne> of memory used
[20:28] <patdk-wk> not for me it doesn't
[20:28] <patdk-wk> ps shows ram used, not %
[20:28] <Ian_corne> $ ps aux
[20:28] <Ian_corne> USER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
[20:30] <patdk-wk> mine is undershooting big time
[20:30] <patdk-wk> but I don't think I have much running that is sharing ram
[20:30] <patdk-wk> now if I was to start a php-apc with a few hundred megs of cache :)
[20:30] <patdk-wk> it should be >100%
[20:30] <Ian_corne> underhsooting for me too
[20:30] <patdk-wk> probably >500%
[20:30] <Ian_corne> but the problem is that it undershoot
[20:31] <Ian_corne> so the kernel is leaking?
[20:31] <patdk-wk> no
[20:31] <Ian_corne> because that's the only thing that doesn't show
[20:31] <patdk-wk> ps doesn't show ram used by the kernel at all
[20:31] <Ian_corne> well then
[20:31] <patdk-wk> just cause you don't measure it doesn't mean it's leaking
[20:31] <patdk-wk> and on a boot
[20:31] <Ian_corne> the other things aren't abnormally high
[20:31] <patdk-wk> it's not leaking
[20:31] <patdk-wk> leaking means the longer it runs the more it uses
[20:31] <patdk-wk> mine was running for >2weeks, no ram usage increase
[20:32] <Ian_corne> are you telling me you don't believe me?
[20:32] <Ian_corne> I'm just reporting what I notice
[20:32] <patdk-wk> I'm telling you I don't believe the words you are using is correct
[20:32] <patdk-wk> you are saying ram is leaking
[20:32] <patdk-wk> but everything you have shown, says it isn't
[20:32] <patdk-wk> high ram usage, yes
[20:32] <patdk-wk> leaking ram, no
[20:35] <Ian_corne> http://pastebin.com/xmegY68P
[20:35] <Ian_corne> so something is memory hogging
[20:35] <Ian_corne> at the kernel level
[20:35] <Ian_corne> this is a fresh boot, logged in and terminal launched
[20:36] <Ian_corne> going to try and suspend now
[20:36] <patdk-wk> heh?
[20:36] <patdk-wk> that says 148megs used?
[20:36] <patdk-wk> that is almost nothing
[20:36] <Ian_corne> yes patdk-wk
[20:37] <Ian_corne> This is a fairly clean install
[20:37] <patdk-wk> so your system is acting completely different from mine
[20:37] <patdk-wk> so if yours grows, then it could be a leak
[20:37] <patdk-wk> mine, on fresh boot used 500megs :)
[20:37] <Ian_corne> i suspended and nothing changed
[20:37] <patdk-wk> so mine isn't a leak, or atleast I can't replicate your leak on my system
[20:37] <Ian_corne> i'm really woried by this
[20:38] <Ian_corne> since it's not often but when it happens, it makes the system pretty slow
[20:38] <Ian_corne> and was present on -3 and -4
[20:39] <funkyHat> :/ mysql isn't running on startup for some reason
[20:39] <patdk-wk> heh? -3 and -4?
[20:40] <Ian_corne> kernel versions
[20:40] <patdk-wk> strange
[20:40] <patdk-wk> rebooted again, only using 200megs
[20:40] <Ian_corne> see
[20:40] <patdk-wk> I wonder if ureadahead didn't actually flush out or something
[20:41] <Ian_corne> something is hogging :(
[20:41] <patdk-wk> well, I just did some upgrades before the last reboot
[22:25] <alex_mayorga> "To upgrade from Ubuntu 10.04 LTS on a desktop system, press Alt+F2 and type in "update-manager -d" (without the quotes) into the command box" doesn't work is that a known issue?
[22:26] <gnomefreak> alex_mayorga: it worked for me the last 3 or 4 times i did it
[22:27]  * gnomefreak didnt try today and dont plan on it
[22:27] <alex_mayorga> gnomefreak: thanks, maybe it's just me :(
[22:27] <gnomefreak> alex_mayorga: open terminal and try it. there is also do-upgrades or something like that
[22:29] <Daekdroom> do-system-upgrade
[22:29] <Daekdroom> wait, do-release-upgrade
[22:29] <Daekdroom> Yeah, that
[22:35] <alex_mayorga> looks like the laptop prefers to stay on 10.04 got "No new release found"
[22:35] <arand> Both commands should have the -d appendage, and the second needs sudo, iirc..
[22:35] <arand> And you need to specify that it accepts non-LTS releases for upgrade targets
[22:37] <alex_mayorga> arand: that's it System > Software sources Updates tab
[22:37] <arand> Indeed
[22:37]  * sebsebseb is being slightly clever
[22:37] <alex_mayorga> there's release upgrade
[22:38] <Ian_corne> arand: is correct!
[22:38] <alex_mayorga> and long term was selected there
[22:38] <gnomefreak> Ian_corne: yes. LTS is default for now
[22:38] <Daekdroom> So, will I be able to download the whole Lucid --> Maverick upgrade during, let's say 12 hours @ 18kbps?
[22:38] <Daekdroom> KB/s
[22:38] <alex_mayorga> so I guess http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/alpha1#UpgradingFromUbuntu1004LTS needs a bit of rewording
[22:39] <gnomefreak> Daekdroom: thats depands on alot of things
[22:39] <arand> I wonder how a non-gnome/nox system does that, if it even has the ability to lock anything but LTS-upgrading
[22:39] <Daekdroom> gnomefreak, I'll try a do-release-upgrade --sandbox so I can check on how large it is..
[22:39] <sebsebseb> So downloading and installing the latest updates using the update manager program wasn't working,  so  I  am updating through Synaptic instead and no problem :)
[22:40] <gnomefreak> Daekdroom: also need to relize that your connection speed is never what they say it is and changes alot
[22:40] <Daekdroom> Are there any future system breakages expected?
[22:40] <gnomefreak> yes alot
[22:40] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: of course
[22:40] <Daekdroom> gnomefreak, yeah. But it usually stays constant at 18KB/s when I'm doing nothing but a single download.
[22:40] <gnomefreak> X being one of the bigger ones
[22:40] <Daekdroom> So X is still not up to date? O.o
[22:41] <alex_mayorga> guess I better click "Cancel" huh? :)
[22:41] <alex_mayorga> is X unusable?
[22:41] <gnomefreak> alex_mayorga: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and set Prompt=normal; launch the upgrade  << is right
[22:41] <sebsebseb> Don't run  10.10 development
[22:41] <sebsebseb> on a machine
[22:41] <Daekdroom> I <3 system breakage, but I can't afford to have it broken right now due to low bandwidth xD
[22:41] <sebsebseb> your going to use for actsual computing
[22:41] <sebsebseb> unless its in a virtual machine of course
[22:41] <gnomefreak> thats how you do it using editor rather than software-sources
[22:41] <sebsebseb> or your an actsaull bug tester, or developer, then yeah maybe
[22:42] <Daekdroom> or you like living on the edge!
[22:42] <arand> alex_mayorga: Indeed, although the "editor /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades" instruction should work on a GUI system as well I reckon.
[22:42] <Daekdroom> Oh wait, bug tester..
[22:42] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: been there done that
[22:42] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: about four times now with Ubuntu
[22:42] <sebsebseb> and then regreted it later
[22:42] <Daekdroom> I think I always did early updates..
[22:42] <gnomefreak> using the GUI changes that file so it is exact same thing
[22:42] <arand> I'm not whom one would contact regarding the release notes though..
[22:42] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: well I would be like oh I am going to do it when the first beta comes out, but then nope, I get an alpha instead
[22:43] <gnomefreak> might i suggest do not upgrade if you need a non broken system
[22:43] <alex_mayorga> quick survey to people on this channel: how broke is it if any
[22:43] <Daekdroom> Huh, doesn't boot up as it should?
[22:43] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: don't have this  issue anymore though, since in November I switched to Mandriva :)  so  yeah,  virtual machine trying
[22:43] <Daekdroom> Fall into a BusyBox or command line.
[22:44] <sebsebseb> and I am probably going to keep the other computer on 10.04, and skip 10.10, since it seems its not going to offer me anything proper that I want
[22:44] <Daekdroom> Oh well, I guess I should wait for decent internet and stability..
[22:44] <arand> sebsebseb: You mean you don't like butter?
[22:45] <sebsebseb> arand: uhmm?
[22:45] <sebsebseb> arand: I don't like junk features, there will be more of those in 10.10
[22:45] <alex_mayorga> sebsebseb: namely?
[22:45] <arand> sebsebseb: btrfs for pete's sake!
[22:45] <sebsebseb> windicators will probably be one of them
[22:45] <sebsebseb> arand: thats a maybe
[22:45] <sebsebseb> last time I read
[22:45] <arand> It will be optional
[22:46] <Daekdroom> It should be in the next daily image, shouldn't it?
[22:46] <sebsebseb> arand: and if its not default, it won't be quite stable I geuss
[22:46] <arand> Should be available for install in the coming dailies...
[22:46] <sebsebseb> however thats how things were with Ext4 in 9.04
[22:46] <sebsebseb> and it worked great for me
[22:47] <sebsebseb> arand: I have been thinking about btrfs, but that probably won't really offer me enough of a reason to do a clean install on other computer and do 10.10
[22:47] <Daekdroom> How better is btrfs over reiser and ext4?
[22:47] <sebsebseb> for example snapshots do I need that?  nice feature, but do I need it nah,  once I am set up with an install, it will work well for ages
[22:47] <arand> But, yea, I won't be running it as my root fs I don't think.
[22:48] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: so Gnome 3, I am wondering about that.  I know it won't be in the default install in 10.10,  but still can get it from the repos?  and I don't mean just the shell
[22:49] <arand> I just used snapshotting to backup my current ubuntu on LVM online, and if I can have more of that, I'm sure not complaining..
[22:49] <sebsebseb> arand: yeah alpha 2 with  optional btfs support?
[22:50] <arand> I've never really understood what gnome3 is more than the shell.
[22:50] <arand> The Task Pooper?
[22:50] <Daekdroom> arand, deprecated Lib GTK+ functions are out
[22:50] <sebsebseb> arand: the shell is the user interface,  and then theres stuff under the hood as well, of course
[22:51] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: yes from what I read it seems,  11.04 and 11.10  will be used to well get Gnome 3 ready for 12.04 as default
[22:51] <arand> Well deprecation isn't really exciting features, as such :/
[22:51] <Daekdroom> KDE 4 transition was much more.. ehh... faster o.o
[22:52] <sebsebseb> anyway btrfs  read a little about it, but what does it actsaully ofer?  the snapshots so can easilly  get the system to how it was right, but what else?
[22:52] <arand> I read something about gnome-settings replacing gconf... I fear a great spring clean might be in the works there, pray it isn't...
[22:52] <Daekdroom> Is it faster than ext4 (other than in SSDs)
[22:52] <bjsnider> sebsebseb, from a ppa
[22:52] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: uhmm?
[22:52] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: for what?
[22:52] <Daekdroom> GNOME 3 @ maverick
[22:53] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: ?
[22:53] <gnomefreak> gnome 3 is released as of this moment in sept. think 2.31.3 IIRC will be 3.0
[22:53]  * gnomefreak not here atm
[22:53] <arand> Daekdroom: Btrfs, no, it's the features, snapshotting, compression...
[22:53] <bjsnider> sebsebseb, gnome 3
[22:53] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: what got to install it from a ppa?  I mean in the stable 10.10
[22:54] <Daekdroom> sebsebseb, GNOME 3 for 10.10 will be aviable in a PPA
[22:54] <sebsebseb> why ppa not repos?
[22:54] <Daekdroom> PPA IS a type of repo?
[22:54] <bjsnider> it's not ready for prime time
[22:54] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: uhmm
[22:54] <Daekdroom> Ah, you meant inside the official repos. :P
[22:54] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: they put KDE 4.0 in the 8.04 repos
[22:54] <sebsebseb> when KDE 4 wasn't really ready
[22:55] <bjsnider> i'm sure they regret that
[22:55] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: yes the offical repos
[22:55] <sebsebseb> anyway if ther is a ppa of Gnome 3 for 10.10 I guess there will be for 10.04 as well :)
[22:55] <Daekdroom> So, should I expect 11.04 to be a Frankenstain mixing 2.3x and Gnome 3? :P
[22:55] <Daekdroom> *frankenstein
[22:56] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: I think so yeah, from what I read
[22:57] <arand> I reckon there will be a snapshot of the reasonably stable-yet-incomplete gnome3 stuff in the repos, which frequent upgrades are supplied through PPAs Like gnome-shell is currently.
[22:58] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: arand  bjsnider http://markmail.org/message/fibykjxp5ztlgixk
[22:58] <sebsebseb> http://markmail.org/message/fibykjxp5ztlgixk :)
[23:01] <Daekdroom> That's... aggressive?
[23:01] <gnomefreak> sebsebseb: no PPA for gnome
[23:02] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: for 10.04?
[23:02] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: or 10.10 as well?
[23:02] <gnomefreak> sebsebseb: none at all
[23:02] <sebsebseb> why not?
[23:03] <gnomefreak> sebsebseb: we do not provide builds for major meta packages
[23:03] <gnomefreak> sebsebseb: everything has to be rebuilt
[23:03] <sebsebseb> indeed Gnome 3 is a big change
[23:03] <gnomefreak> everything == EVERYTHING!!!!!!!
[23:03] <gnomefreak> sebsebseb: gnome == huge package
[23:03] <sebsebseb> pluss a lot of people in the Ubuntu community who have tried the shell aren't that keen on it at the moment
[23:04] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: right so yeah 11.04 and 11.10 will be used to  get Gnome 3 ready for default in 12.04?  When is it likely to become default instead of Gnome 2?
[23:04] <gnomefreak> sebsebseb: no that is way too far
[23:05] <sebsebseb> right so no Gnome 3 at all for 10.10,  unless people install it in some completly unsupported way them selves?
[23:05] <gnomefreak> see http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirtyone/
[23:05] <sebsebseb> I have been on that before
[23:06] <gnomefreak> if not 10.10 it will land in 11.04 but i havent talked to desktop team about this since last cycle
[23:07] <gnomefreak> brb let me check somehting
[23:07] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: ok  I guess that link has been updated or something, I think I went on that before
[23:08] <gnomefreak> it was when they pushed it back to sept
[23:08] <gnomefreak> IIRC it was set for august
[23:09] <gnomefreak> IIRC our freeze is early Sept.
[23:09] <gnomefreak> at least the last one is
[23:09] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: Will 10.10 be using Gnome 2.30  like 10.04?
[23:10] <gnomefreak> sebsebseb: we should get higher but until i find a blueprint or get answered from the desktop devs i wont know for sure
[23:11] <gnomefreak> sebsebseb: as it stands we will use at least 2.32 in final (following past releases) we have never released same gnome version to more than one release
[23:11] <gnomefreak> s/will/should
[23:11] <gnomefreak> join the mailing list and find out :)
[23:12] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: I thought 2.32  was Gnome 3?   as for the mailing list, yeah maybe, if I had the thing to join, but I know can also read them online after woulds
[23:13] <gnomefreak> we seem to freeze august 12th not sure if gnome will get an extension on that
[23:13] <gnomefreak> sebsebseb: 2.31.91 since gnome pushed back releases im not sure
[23:14] <gnomefreak> .92 even is gnome3
[23:14]  * gnomefreak trying to think what we had in karmic
[23:14] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: Gnome 2.28
[23:15] <gnomefreak> sebsebseb: than as long as we stay on track we should ship with 2.31.90 or so
[23:15] <gnomefreak> if not 3 it will be close. im not sure if it will be able to be pushed as an exeption
[23:16] <Daekdroom> Bleh. Things sound so bad right when they decide to release Ubuntu on a early day in the month... :(
[23:16] <Daekdroom> Atleast they won't have to name it 10.11 if it gets delayed.
[23:16] <sebsebseb> Thats a point its coming out early as well
[23:16] <Daekdroom> I thought the point was getting it released 10/10/10
[23:17] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: so 10.10 will have nearly Gnome 3 probably,  and with the old look?
[23:17] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: yes it is
[23:17] <gnomefreak> 2.30 is filan release
[23:17] <gnomefreak> final
[23:17] <gnomefreak> PPA may be opened for upgrades as im told
[23:17] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: 2.30 is what 10.04 uses
[23:18] <gnomefreak> 2.30 with select updates will be default in 10.10 due to the push upstream did
[23:18] <gnomefreak> talked with seb about this a minute ago
[23:19] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: select updates?
[23:19] <gnomefreak> sebsebseb: yes
[23:19] <Daekdroom> Ooo. So we're literally halfway to Gnome 3. Paralel worlds are coliding!
[23:19] <sebsebseb> what does that mean
[23:19] <sebsebseb> exactly
[23:19] <sebsebseb> some of the packages?  will be 3.0 basically?
[23:19] <Daekdroom> sebsebseb, some stuff are going GNOME 3-esque, some aren't.
[23:19] <gnomefreak> sebsebseb: might chreey pick updates from newer release
[23:19] <gnomefreak> sebsebseb: no not 3.0
[23:19] <gnomefreak> 3.0 might be in a PPA or it will land in 11.04 as it stands
[23:20] <gnomefreak> key word is MIGHT
[23:20] <Daekdroom> gnomefreak, are they going to compile new versions of the apps against LibGTK+2, is that it?
[23:20] <DanaG> hmm, this new Unity thingy is weird...
[23:20] <gnomefreak> Daekdroom: off hand i dont know but not likely if i remeber this topic
[23:20] <DanaG> try moving mouse left, right, left... onto and off of the thing over and over.
[23:20] <DanaG> The behavior seems non-constant... sometimes the tiles fold, sometimes they don't.
[23:21] <gnomefreak> its late in the day and just about off work so my ind needs a rest
[23:21] <sebsebseb> ind?
[23:21] <gnomefreak> send an email to the ubuntu-dev-disscuss list
[23:22] <Daekdroom> mind?
[23:22] <gnomefreak> more info can be found http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/alpha1#GNOME
[23:22] <gnomefreak> not much mind you
[23:22] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: anyway seems like
[23:23]  * gnomefreak not a gnome dev but i am for Mozilla for the most part
[23:23] <sebsebseb> Gnome 3.0 stable comes out just before 10.10 stable
[23:23] <DanaG> Oh, and I don't like having my panel forcibly locked down. :(
[23:23] <sebsebseb> so even if 10.10 wanted it, woudn't be that realistic
[23:23] <gnomefreak> just after our frezze about 1 month after our freeze
[23:23] <gnomefreak> right. its upstreams fault :)
[23:23] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: oh I was thinking Ubuntu Gnome dev since the name and such, but nope
[23:23] <sebsebseb> and yeah  Firefox :)
[23:24] <gnomefreak> not saying i wont be one day but have very little interst in gnome dev at this time
[23:24] <sebsebseb> why?
[23:25] <DanaG> I wonder... how much would it help things to shift the Ubuntu cycle downwards 1 month?  So, 10.11 instead of 10.10.
[23:25]  * gnomefreak seamonkey sunbird/lightning maitainer until this dev cycle i am taking time off from packaging
[23:25] <crdlb> DanaG: fedora wouldn't like that
[23:25] <gnomefreak> Daekdroom: that is a big deal. we did that with dapper and it is hell
[23:25] <gnomefreak> oops
[23:25] <gnomefreak> DanaG: ^^^
[23:25] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: uhmm Dapper was dealyed
[23:25] <sebsebseb> delayed
[23:25] <gnomefreak> sebsebseb: yes
[23:25] <gnomefreak> 6.06?
[23:26] <sebsebseb> altough I don't know why
[23:26] <sebsebseb> and yes 6.06 instead of 6.04
[23:26] <gnomefreak> i do
[23:26] <DanaG> You mean about competition, or do Fedora and Ubuntu grab from each other?
[23:26] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: why was it delayed then?
[23:26] <gnomefreak> major changes but lets try to stay on topic of support+10.10
[23:26] <sebsebseb> DanaG: Fedora is meant to be a bit more cutting edge than Ubuntu
[23:26] <DanaG> s/cutting/bleeding/ =þ
[23:27] <DanaG> And fedora says not to dist-upgrade. =/
[23:27] <sebsebseb> oh?
[23:28] <gnomefreak> please dont tell anyone but this channel is only support for 10.10 please move over to #ubuntu-offtopic (one door down to right)
[23:29] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: You got op here don't you?
[23:29] <gnomefreak> sebsebseb: yes
[23:31] <DanaG> yeah, anyway, I'm done with off-topic now.
[23:32] <DanaG> say, how's support for btrfs?
[23:33] <arand> DanaG: Not in daily yet, I don't think, but soonish.
[23:34] <gnomefreak> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/20-chances-to-get-btrfs-in-ubuntu-1010.html
[23:36] <gnomefreak> even better from one of our devs http://www.netsplit.com/2010/05/14/btrfs-by-default-in-maverick/
[23:37] <sebsebseb> Hrm I don't seem to have the new sound thing after those updates, and I don't feel like doing alpha 1 in a vm again, so I guess i'll get it when I do a alpha 2 vm,  and with btrfs of course
[23:37] <sebsebseb> if its an option
[23:38] <sebsebseb> Not really a feature I am interested in the sound applet, but wanted to try after reading about it and that.
[23:39] <gnomefreak> new sound (thing)?
[23:39] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: yes apparantly
[23:39] <gnomefreak> what new sound thing?
[23:39] <sebsebseb> I mean a newer sound applet
[23:40] <sebsebseb> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/ubuntu-1010s-new-sound-menu-starts-to.html
[23:40] <gnomefreak> and it is? do you have a link about it?
[23:40] <gnomefreak> thankis
[23:40] <sebsebseb> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/ubuntu-1010s-new-sound-menu-starts-to.html
[23:42] <sebsebseb> I wasn't even going to test with sound in the vm though,  so in a way a bit pointless to just see from the panel.
[23:42] <gnomefreak> mine did change this morning but seems back to normal
[23:42] <arand> Well last thing about btrfs is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-June/030918.html
[23:42] <sebsebseb> arand: yes it might be default in 10.10
[23:43] <arand> Not likely, as per above.
[23:44] <Daekdroom> Good lord.
[23:44] <Daekdroom> It's so.. cluttered O.o
[23:45] <Daekdroom> Well, atleast it's not as bad as Vista's
[23:45] <sebsebseb> arand: ok thats recent :)
[23:45] <sebsebseb> I read the one before about how it might be default
[23:45] <arand> I do wonder which package to track in order to keep up with btrfs-installing, d-i? partman?
[23:46] <sebsebseb> anyway it will be like XFS  well not sure if XFS is still like this now
[23:46] <sebsebseb> ,but needing a /boot in Ext3 or something
[23:47] <sebsebseb> arand: thanks for link though :)
[23:48] <sebsebseb> so Ext4 by default in 10.10 basically
[23:48] <Daekdroom> Ext4 isn't that bad.
[23:48] <sebsebseb> Ext4 really made a difference optionally in 9.04
[23:48] <sebsebseb> ,but then by default in 9.10 and 10.04 nope
[23:51] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that whole "flat volumes is like Windows Vista" thing is wrong.
[23:51] <DanaG> er, maybe I should go to #offtopic for that
[23:52] <DanaG> er, ubuntu-offtopic.
[23:52] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: going back to earlier, when you said thats aggressive after the link I gave out
[23:52] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: well loads of people that use other distros, don't like the way Ubuntu is heading,  with all this non upstream Gnome stuff, and that
[23:54] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: and  that was a Redhat developer, or whatever it was.  Also someone who doesn't like Ubuntu anymore, gave me that link the other day.
[23:54] <Daekdroom> Hm
[23:55] <sebsebseb> (other day/night being a bit more exact)
[23:56] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: I personally don't like it much myself,  but can customize 10.04 to look like before so :D
[23:56] <Daekdroom> I haven't had much contact with any other ubuntu distro, so I'm sorta grounded on ubuntu.
[23:56] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: you mean another distro
[23:56] <Daekdroom> Ah, yeah.
[23:57] <Daekdroom> Meant another distro indeed.
[23:57] <sebsebseb> well loads of other good ones out there as well :)
[23:57] <sebsebseb> 10.10 is apparantly going to get a new installer, that will be good :)
[23:57] <sebsebseb> ,but other then that well
[23:58] <sebsebseb> more of these Gnome edits that I don't  want, and  a software centre probably replacing Synaptic and offering commercial apps,  which I am ok with, but  I won't be buying them.  I also really like Synaptic and sure that can still be installed.
[23:59] <sebsebseb> and it will probably be better on the netbook version, than on the desktop, so yeah  thats why at the moment I am thinking  to just stay on 10.04 on the other computer :)  since its Long Term Support as well, three years of support on the desktop :D
[23:59] <sebsebseb> not much point upgrading, if I am going to end up removing most of the actsaul features
[23:59] <Daekdroom> Ahh what?
[23:59] <sebsebseb> Daekdroom: to what?


[01:09] <cyphermox> nelsk: indeed, not. The way to distinguish between EFI boot and old BIOS boot is that EFI boot you just get the GRUB menu
[01:09] <cyphermox> I'd like to change that though and make the grub menu pretty, but it's not at the top of my priority list
[01:55] <nelsk> is it realistic to indicate to the user if they're booted in EFI mode?
[01:55] <nelsk> the docs suggest a simple [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && blah, I think that would be kind of useful for users who know what's going on


[00:28] <zerosum> hey all
[08:03] <PaulePanter> lynxis: I still do not get the activity notifications by ticket.coreboot.org. I should have received one today for https://ticket.coreboot.org/projects/coreboot/activity GNU Screen session. Somehow I can’t control it though with Ctrl + a and so on to scroll back in the buffer for example.
[08:04] <PaulePanter> Sorry. Messed up. Try again.
[08:04] <PaulePanter> Hi. When I do `sudo do-release-upgrade` it’s done in a GNU Screen session. Somehow I can’t control it though with Ctrl + a and so on to scroll back in the buffer for example.
[08:04] <PaulePanter> root        6640  0.0  0.0  13248  4672 ?        Ss   Jan24   0:00 SCREEN -e \0\0 -c screenrc -S ubuntu-release-upgrade-screen-window /scratch/local/ubuntu-release-upgrader-roxmj7b1/impish --mode=server --frontend=DistUpgradeViewText
[08:05] <PaulePanter> Any idea, how I can control it?
[13:40] <PaulePanter> Hi. I am on Ubuntu 20.10 with package *cron* but the service unit does not start:
[13:40] <PaulePanter>     Process: 2985 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/crond -n (code=exited, status=203/EXEC)
[13:41] <PaulePanter> cron.service: Failed at step EXEC spawning /usr/sbin/crond: No such file or directory
[13:44] <PaulePanter> Please ignore. The service unit is in `/etc/` and from another system. :(
[13:44] <PaulePanter> (Don’t ask. ;-))
[15:01] <CarlFK> I need help with snmpget and snmpset to turn on/off the PoE on https://www.netgear.com/support/product/FS728TPv2.aspx
[15:02] <CarlFK> I can read the current value, but trying to set the MIB errors:
[15:02] <CarlFK> Reason: (noSuchName) There is no such variable name in this MIB.
[15:02] <CarlFK> https://paste.debian.net/1228300/
[15:03] <Maik> PaulePanter: 20.10?
[15:03] <Maik> that one is EOL for quite some time now
[16:44] <PaulePanter> Maik: Sorry 21.10
[16:45] <PaulePanter> Hi. When I do `sudo do-release-upgrade` it’s done in a GNU Screen session. Somehow I can’t control it though with Ctrl + a and so on to scroll back in the buffer for example.
[16:45] <PaulePanter> root        6640  0.0  0.0  13248  4672 ?        Ss   Jan24   0:00 SCREEN -e \0\0 -c screenrc -S ubuntu-release-upgrade-screen-window /scratch/local/ubuntu-release-upgrader-roxmj7b1/impish --mode=server --frontend=DistUpgradeViewText
[16:45] <PaulePanter> Any idea, how I can control it?
[18:33] <tomreyn> PaulePanter: i guess that if you can locate that screenrc configuration file you can know why
[18:34] <tomreyn> i assume it's intentionally made less versatile this way
[19:18] <PaulePanter> tomreyn: Yeah, too late. The upgrade is over.
[19:18] <PaulePanter> I would like to know, how I could have scrolled back.


[00:08] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: is it drop in or do all dependants need to be rebuilt too?
[00:09] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Looks like drop-in, there are no reverse dependencies.
[01:03] <OvenWerks> good
[01:04] <OvenWerks> I had to drop liquorix in to get the touch screen working :P or probably go with 22.10
[01:04] <OvenWerks> apparently 15.5 has a bug that doesn't that work
[01:10] <OvenWerks> sorry 5.15 has a bug which is fixed by 5.17.
[01:33] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: If you're on 22.04 and need a newer kernel than 5.15, you can install linux-oem-22.04a and get 5.17.
 "ilvipero: I have a patched..." <- Will test today and report back. Thank you!
[07:19] <ilvipero> Good news and bad news:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/e726ee6cb4244496f1f5210e3cd7925104db4d9b>)
[07:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> > <@ilvipero:matrix.org> Good news and bad news:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/834766268cbaa67fef0a89c70c8ee75ff9122a3c>)
[07:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Studio Controls should've been version 2.3.9 at that point.
 "Studio Controls should've been..." <- hmm someone is up late... or early :)
[08:29] <ilvipero> To clarify:
[08:29] <ilvipero> - 22.04 tests were run as a control, just to make sure I was not doing something funny or my hardware/VMs did not have any issue. 22.04 works fine out of the box, no PPA added. Studio Controls 2.3.1.
[08:29] <ilvipero> - 22.10 tests without the PPA and Studio Controls 2.3.7 have the issue I reported above. Unless there is something very different I need to do, but it does not look like that. Happy to be proven wrong here.
[08:29] <ilvipero> - 22.10 tests with the PPA and Studio Controls 2.3.9 have the issue I reported above. As mentioned, If there are major changes I need to be aware of, please let me know.
 "hmm someone is up late... or..." <- I was up late trying to get an appointment for my dog that was supposed to show-up after midnight that didn't.  All good!


[00:37] <BUGabundo> fta apt url not working on 3.6?
[00:38] <micahg> apturl works because of ubufox
[00:39] <micahg> I believe
[00:39] <BUGabundo> realy?
[00:40] <micahg> yes
[00:40] <fta> does it even work in 3.5?
[00:40] <micahg> in karmic it should now
[00:40] <micahg> asac: released it
[00:40] <micahg> I had to roll it back because it screwed up flash foe
[00:40] <micahg> for me
[00:41] <BUGabundo> :(
[00:41] <BUGabundo> since it prob won't work on 3.6
[00:41] <BUGabundo> I can't use apturl
[00:41] <micahg> BUGabundo: you can try to override compatability and try it in 3.6
[00:41] <fta> $ ls -l /etc/firefox-3.*/pref/apturl.js
[00:41] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 246 2008-03-28 15:44 /etc/firefox-3.0/pref/apturl.js
[00:41] <BUGabundo> last time it was a mess
[00:42] <fta> $ dpkg -S apturl.js
[00:42] <fta> apturl: /etc/firefox-3.0/pref/apturl.js
[00:42] <fta> apturl: /usr/share/firefox/defaults/pref/apturl.js
[00:42] <micahg> but ubufox is what works with apturl
[00:42] <BUGabundo> some one forgot to commit
[00:45] <fta> i remember i had to add support for ff3.0 last year
[00:45] <fta> bug 207281
[00:45] <fta> eh
[00:46] <micahg> looks like that's another thing we need to abstact out like the search plugins into a generic local
[00:46] <micahg> *locale
[00:48] <fta> i won't touch it, i think asac already has something in mind for that
[00:49] <micahg> right
[00:49] <micahg> I'll talk to him about it tomorrow
[00:51] <BUGabundo> one strange think I'm noticing
[00:51] <BUGabundo> I set my cookies to ASK
[00:51] <BUGabundo> I only have like 15 cookies on my FF
[00:51] <BUGabundo> but on deviantart.com/
[00:51] <BUGabundo> I get asked on every page if I want to save the cookie and in every I say NO
[00:52] <BUGabundo> why doesn't FF remember it?
[00:53] <micahg> because each page is a new subdomain
[00:53] <micahg> cookies can be per  domain or per subdomain
[00:54] <BUGabundo> :(
[00:55] <micahg> you can probbaly deny cookies for a certain domain if you want
[00:56] <BUGabundo> prob
[01:54] <EruditeHermit> fta: asac hey
[03:40] <e-jat> !ping fta ..
[08:00] <asac> hola
[08:00]  * asac back from the dead
[08:00] <asac> LLStarks: pong
[08:01] <asac> LLStarks: i dont know
[08:01] <LLStarks> you see it though, right?
[08:01] <asac> which ffox?
[08:01] <LLStarks> 3.6
[08:01] <LLStarks> nightly
[08:02] <LLStarks> from the ppa
[08:02] <asac> since when ?
[08:02] <LLStarks> a few days
[08:02] <LLStarks> 2-3
[08:02] <asac> havent updated my dailies for a few dys
[08:02] <asac> will do that now
[08:04] <micahg> hi asac
[08:04] <asac> hi micahg
[08:04]  * asac scrolls back
[08:04] <micahg> where should we move the user agent discussion if at all?
[08:07] <asac> micahg: you say folks still complaining about Shiretoko?
[08:07] <asac> still folks complaining? dont we have a bug where we can point them to?
[08:08] <asac> LLStarks: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2a1pre) Gecko/20090713 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Minefield/3.6a1pre
[08:08] <asac> that one is still ok
[08:08] <asac> now upgrading
[08:08] <LLStarks> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2a1pre) Gecko/20090719 Ubuntu/9.10 (Karmic Koala) Firefox/3.6a1pre - Build ID:<PHONE_NUMBER>4019
[08:09] <LLStarks> yes, i know it's a bit franksteing
[08:09] <LLStarks> *stein
[08:09] <asac> now testing
[08:09] <LLStarks> but i do it for compat sake
[08:09] <asac> still upgrading ;)
[08:09] <asac> compat?
[08:10] <asac> i think this upgrade will take a bit; i get a coffee now
[08:18] <micahg1> asac: yeah, they;re complaining in the bug
[08:32] <micahg> asac: I don't know how to make it any clearer
[08:32] <micahg> should we keep going back and forth in the bug?
[08:37] <asac> i think its ok
[08:38] <asac> just dont feed them
[08:38] <asac> there is not much more we can tell
[08:38] <asac> we will soon enough make it firefox
[08:38] <micahg> just let them keep going back and forth them?
[08:38] <micahg> in Jaunty?
[08:39] <asac> i will think about it once we have it in karmic
[08:39] <micahg> :)
[08:39] <micahg> ok
[08:39] <micahg> so, what about the user agent stuff
[08:39] <micahg> should I report any more?
[08:40] <asac> hmm gone ;)
[08:41] <micahg> oh, also, gnomefreak make the debdiff for the ubufox is recommended problem
[08:42] <micahg> *made
[08:44] <e-jat> asac: would u mind to check this bug 401207
[08:44] <e-jat> it occurs for shiretoko n minefield
[08:52] <asac> asac: adobe reader?
[08:52] <micahg> we have the plugin in the partner repo
[08:54] <micahg> BTW, asac, just triaged a bug where FF3.5 won't quit on ext4
[08:54] <micahg> bug 400088
[08:55]  * micahg is off to bed
[08:56] <asac> micahg: sleep well
[08:56] <micahg> thanks :)
[08:56] <asac> micahg: where did gnomefreak put the debdiff?
[08:56] <asac> (for ubufox)
[09:38] <asac> http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/courgette/
[09:38] <asac> e-jat: epends on the the backtrace if its triaged
[09:38] <asac> let me look
[09:40] <e-jat> i follow the  wiki .. to debug it ..
[09:40] <asac> asked
[09:40] <asac> e-jat: please use ubuntu-bug firefox-3.5 to file bugs in future ;)
[09:40] <asac> that will attach loads of info that is helpful
[09:40] <asac> e-jat: i think you can run apport-collect now
[09:41] <asac> to attach that info as well
[09:44] <e-jat> yeah .. forgot about that .. doing the apport-collect now ..
[09:48] <asac> thx
[09:49] <e-jat> asac: im using adobe reader 9.1
[09:51] <LLStarks> asac, is the font smoothing bug present on your machine?
[09:52] <e-jat> LLStarks: font smoothing?
[09:55] <asac> LLStarks: let me check. upgrad should be there now ;)
[09:55] <LLStarks> thx
[09:55] <asac> so the profile dialog works as before
[09:55] <asac> no it work
[09:57] <e-jat> asac: from the full bt output .. where should i look the main cause it break?
[09:57] <asac> LLStarks: http://people.canonical.com/~asac//tmp/Moz36Jul20.png
[09:59] <asac> e-jat: do you always get this BadAccess error?
[09:59] <asac> buf = "BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied)\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"
[09:59] <asac> probably you see the error on the console too
[10:02] <asac> mozilla bug 451944
[10:02] <asac> ouch
[10:02] <asac> mozilla bug 457157
[10:04] <e-jat> yeah .. i think it similiar :)
[10:04] <asac> e-jat: didnt apport-collect work?
[10:04] <asac> e-jat: its fixed
[10:04] <asac> it shouldnt be in 9.1 anymore i mean
[10:05] <e-jat> hmm so .. what shall i do now ? remove the plugin n reinstall ?
[10:05] <e-jat> for ff 3.0.11 its work well ..
[10:06] <asac> e-jat: and 3.5?
[10:06] <e-jat> crash .. same goes with 3.6
[10:08] <asac> 11:04 < asac> e-jat: didnt apport-collect work?
[10:11] <e-jat> asac: to collect info ?
[10:11] <asac> e-jat: to attach that to the bug
[10:11] <asac> like i asked you
[10:11] <e-jat> apport work ..
[10:11] <asac> 10:40 < asac> e-jat: i think you can run apport-collect now
[10:11] <asac> 10:41 < asac> to attach that info as well
[10:11] <asac> 10:44 < e-jat> yeah .. forgot about that .. doing the apport-collect now ..
[10:11] <asac> 10:48 < asac> thx
[10:12] <asac> there is not info on the bug yet
[10:12] <asac> bug 401207
[10:12] <e-jat> apport-collect data n dependecies already there
[10:15] <asac> e-jat: thats what apport collect attached?
[10:15] <asac> there should be a bunch of more stuff when you use ubuntu-bug firefox-3.5
[10:15] <asac> i thought apport-collect would run the hook like ubuntu-bug
[10:18] <e-jat> :(
[10:20] <e-jat> another thing .. my 3.5 n 3.6 look weird while at google main page .. it look like this : http://imagebin.ca/view/hC2n2dW.html
[10:20] <fta> hi
[10:20] <e-jat> it show long form fill
[10:20] <fta> asac, hey, glad you're back
[10:20] <fta> asac, some reading for you:
[10:20] <fta> Jul 18 19:19:33 <fta>   asac, http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/5dfbadda21300b37#
[10:20] <fta> Jul 18 19:20:02 <fta>   asac, http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/5bd9d185a45f81ba#
[10:20] <fta> Jul 18 19:35:39 <fta>   asac, http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/aabc1472bf19b2f5#
[10:21] <fta> Jul 19 02:15:52 <fta>   asac, funny.. http://codereview.chromium.org/155558
[10:21] <fta> Jul 20 00:25:32 <fta>   asac, http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/deps/third_party/ffmpeg/README.chromium :(
[10:27] <TomJaeger> Hi asac, can we talk about bug #217908 again?
[10:27] <TomJaeger> Jeff has reviewed the patch I posted now
[10:28] <asac> fta: thanks. i had to get out over the weekend
[10:28] <asac> and then had no chance to look back ;)
[10:29] <TomJaeger> I still think we should go with this patch for now until we have the new x server and cairo in karmic: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22544758/xulrunner-1.9.1.debdiff
[10:33] <asac> heh
[10:33] <asac> fta: thanks for those first three pointers
[10:36] <asac> " Flash calls gtk_widget_modify_bg from an expose handler"
[10:36] <asac> hear hear
[10:36] <asac> +
[10:36] <asac> +// Flash calls XGetWindowAttributes with a NULL display, which crashes.
[10:36] <asac> +// So we intercept that function and make sure the display is set.
[10:37]  * asac wonders if those were filed upstream
[10:38] <asac> fta: do yo uknow if they work with adobe on such things?
[10:38] <fta> i think they do, did you read the comments below the patch?
[10:42] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/222582/
[10:44] <reed> asac: we (Mozilla) do report bugs to Adobe
[10:48] <fta> why does it suck so much then?
[11:00] <asac> reed: those are chromium hacks
[11:01] <asac> reed: we actually thought about using libjpeg from mozilla as the new system jpeg
[11:01] <bluekuja> asac, hi
[11:02] <asac> reed: because we think that  mozilla did the last optimizations on that otherwise dead upstream
[11:02] <asac> but we ended up in crashes. you think it makes sense to file bugs about that?
[11:02] <asac> bluekuja: h
[11:02] <asac> i
[11:03] <bluekuja> asac, we fixed the startup already on the first revision but my co-maint forgot to push them
[11:04] <bluekuja> asac, but now it's ok, fixed them and tried it out on pbuilder
[11:04] <reed> asac: sure, feel free
[11:04] <asac> bluekuja: so thats the thing i wanted to sponsor, but then someone else did?
[11:04] <reed> I do know there are some libjpeg patches still in bugzilla
[11:05] <reed> that need to land sometime
[11:05] <bluekuja> asac, nope, it was cgmail
[11:05] <bluekuja> asac, we did so much changes on it (like 30+ lines changelog)
[11:06] <asac> reed: right. mozilla jpeg didnt really look more un-dead then upstream, except that moz has more patches on top :)
[11:06] <asac> bluekuja: why wasnt it tested?
[11:06] <bluekuja> asac, so we lost the change related to startup (e.g changing final dir to /usr/share/cgmail/stuff
[11:06] <bluekuja> asac, it was tested, but we had it working
[11:07] <bluekuja> asac, we had a working branch
[11:07] <asac> well.
[11:07] <bluekuja> asac, but we forgot to push the change related to startup
[11:07] <asac> why wasnt the bzr revision i was given tested?
[11:07] <asac> why did it work?
[11:07] <asac> is this a corner case?
[11:08] <bluekuja> asac, nope, we fixed the startup error and we had it working (as u can see in the changelog)
[11:08] <bluekuja> asac, but those changes weren't pushed to the branch
[11:08] <asac> why "we"
[11:08] <asac> i didnt test it at all
[11:08] <bluekuja> (maybe my co-maint forgot to do it)
[11:09] <bluekuja> we = me and my c-maint
[11:09] <asac> right. so the revision i was given wasnt tested ;)
[11:10] <bluekuja> asac, looks like we tried out our files
[11:10] <bluekuja> asac, which were working
[11:10] <asac> ok
[11:10] <bluekuja> asac, and maybe we forgot to push the changes we test directly to the branch
[11:10] <asac> i dont understand how that can happen with something packaged though
[11:10] <asac> how can two guys test the same without pushing?
[11:11] <bluekuja> asac, maybe we got confused with the huge changelog
[11:11] <bluekuja> asac, a lot of changes
[11:11] <asac> anyway. it just means the revision released wasnt tested ;)
[11:11] <bluekuja> asac, and we lost some pieces around
[11:11] <asac> which is bad. but we will get over it
[11:11] <asac> the bug is marked pending.
[11:11] <bluekuja> asac, yep
[11:12] <asac> you should always add changelog entry in the same commit you do the change
[11:12] <asac> in that wy you know that changelog reflects what is in the branch
[11:12] <asac> edit changelog, then use debcommit
[11:12] <bluekuja> asac, oh ok, I was used to first do the change and then update the changelog on the other rev
[11:13] <bluekuja> asac, anyway if you have unstable there, after you built the package, just install it and run it from console
[11:13] <bluekuja> asac, it *will* work
[11:14] <asac> i dont want to test anything. i expect any sponsoree to submit stuff that works :)
[11:15] <bluekuja> asac, k
[11:15] <asac> its ok. but not starting at all is really a gross bug ;)
[11:15] <bluekuja> asac, believe me I tested it
[11:15] <bluekuja> asac, and it worked over here
[11:15] <asac> well. you didnt test it properly then
[11:16] <bluekuja> asac, or maybe I tested it on my files
[11:16] <bluekuja> asac, with everything updated and fixed
[11:16] <asac> the file that is missing is package mangaed. that means it was in the package you tested, that mans you didnt build the package from the bzr branch
[11:16] <bluekuja> exactly
[11:17] <bluekuja> I built it externally thinking the branch was updated
[11:17] <bluekuja> my error
[11:17] <asac> y
[11:17] <bluekuja> but the fix is ready, so, the problem doesnt exist
[11:22] <bluekuja> asac, gonna test it one more time
[11:22] <bluekuja> asac, gonna ping u when done
[11:23] <TomJaeger> asac, ping
[11:25] <asac> TomJaeger: hi. sorry if it felt like i ignore you ;)
[11:26] <asac> i saw you but then you scrollef of my radar ;)
[11:26] <TomJaeger> okay, so what do you think?
[11:27]  * asac fights with launchpad
[11:27] <asac> that bug is a mess
[11:29] <asac> TomJaeger: i think you need superreview ... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=422179
[11:29] <asac> reed: ^^?
[11:32] <TomJaeger> Do we need to get patches reviewed that go in development versions?
[11:34] <TomJaeger> The longer we wait, the less testing we get, and we might not be that far away from 1.7 being branched off and the closed-source drivers being shut out
[11:42] <asac> TomJaeger: we need to land it upstream, yes.
[11:43] <asac> 1.7 branch is cairo?
[11:43] <TomJaeger> xserver
[11:43] <TomJaeger> this means essentially no testing for binary drivers
[11:45] <asac> can you explain that to me? also why would rushing this fix in help?
[11:46] <asac> TomJaeger: ^^
[11:46] <TomJaeger> I'd prefer if the fix attached to the launchpad bug (not the one posted on the mozilla bugtracker), which unconditionally enables EXTEND_PAD be used for a while
[11:46] <TomJaeger> otherwise we'll have to wait for karmic upgrading to xserver-1.7 for the fix to kick in
[11:47] <TomJaeger> binary drivers aren't usually available until the last minute before release (frglx for sure), so they won't get any testing
[11:48] <TomJaeger> at least that's how I think it works, I've never used the binary driver before
[11:49] <TomJaeger> but the video driver API has definitely changed since 1.6
[11:51] <TomJaeger> For what it's worth, I haven't heard any complaints from nvidia/ati users, but I have no way of knowing how many people are actually using my firefox-smooth-scaling PPA
[11:52] <asac> TomJaeger: where was the full EXTEND_PAD patch suggested upstream?
[11:52] <asac> its not in that bug, right?
[11:52] <asac> in moz bug i mean
[11:53] <TomJaeger> sorry, what was the question?
[11:53] <asac> 12:52 < asac> TomJaeger: where was the full EXTEND_PAD patch suggested upstream?
[11:53] <asac> 12:52 < asac> its not in that bug, right?
[11:53] <asac> 12:52 < asac> in moz bug i mean
[11:53] <asac> .>
[11:53] <asac> 12:46 < TomJaeger> I'd prefer if the fix attached to the launchpad bug (not the one posted on the mozilla bugtracker), which unconditionally enables EXTEND_PAD be  used for a while
[11:54] <asac> meaning: i definitly cannot add this patch if its not in moz tracker
[11:54] <asac> if its in moz tracker we need to get it review-
[11:55] <asac> e.g. i need to get them to review whatever we add
[11:55] <asac> we can add it to trunk
[11:55] <asac> but thats basically all we can do and we dont have that many users on trunk dailies
[11:57] <TomJaeger> so I might as well not go though all the work of getting this patch reviewed and explaining all the details to upstream, because nobody is going to test it anyway
[11:58] <asac> TomJaeger: you mean the 1.7 server fix?
[11:58] <TomJaeger> no, I mean the unconditional one
[11:58] <asac> i think that should be pushed through
[11:58] <asac> right. but if you dont do it, then i have to do it - in theory before landing it
[11:59] <asac> i could add it until we rebrand firefox, but that might not be long enough to be of any value
[11:59] <asac> i could add it to 3.5 in karmic i mean
[11:59] <asac> afaics the 1.7 server fix will get landed and we should concentrate on cherry picking that. why wouldnt it work?
[12:00] <TomJaeger> it'll work, but it'll depend on xserver 1.7
[12:00] <asac> also if we add the 1.7 server fix we could at least ask our X maintainer to remind binary driver providers to test this bug before sending it in
[12:00] <asac> you think thats a good compromise?
[12:00] <asac> free drivers will get enough testing i presume
[12:01] <TomJaeger> yes, free drivers should be fine
[12:01] <TomJaeger> okay, so let's do that
[12:01] <asac> right. so it all depends on the non-fre ones. imo only thing we can do is really raise awareness aobut this
[12:02] <asac> i mean even testing xserver 1.6 might not help because you never know what regressions you get in the new driveres
[12:02] <asac> especially since api changes etc.
[12:02] <asac> so it might work well, and then i wouldnt be shocked if it doesnt work with 1.7 anyway
[12:02] <asac> great
[12:03] <asac> lets follow this 1.7 patch through ... and rather get permission to cherry pick it to 3.5 (in case they dont want it upstream on that branch)
[12:03] <TomJaeger> okay, sounds good
[12:03] <TomJaeger> how does the superreview process work?
[12:04] <asac> TomJaeger: you need to ask superreview from a superreviewer ;)
[12:04] <asac> wait a sec
[12:04] <asac> http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/reviewers.html
[12:05] <asac> TomJaeger: if you have that i can commit that for you
[12:05] <TomJaeger> it doesn't seem like this needs superreview
[12:05] <asac> TomJaeger: or you can add needs-checkin to whiteboard .. so some friendly moz committer does that
[12:06] <asac> TomJaeger: i think only reason its not needed is if the reviewer is superrevierwer
[12:06] <asac> at least that was my rule of thumb
[12:06] <TomJaeger> okay
[12:06] <asac> why do you think you dont need it?
[12:07] <TomJaeger> it doesn't really fall under any of the "What needs super-review?" categories.
[12:07] <asac> Effective immediately, super-review will be required for certain types of changes for _all_ code residing in mozilla-central (Hg) (and all release branches based on mozilla-central) unless explicitly exempted in the Exceptions section below.
[12:08] <asac> anyway
[12:08] <asac> i asked reed to look, so he will guide you i am sure
[12:11] <TomJaeger> great
[12:12] <asac> if he doesnt follow up later today (he is sleeping i guess) let me know
[12:12] <TomJaeger> okay, thanks. Will do.
[13:27] <asac> fta: there?
[13:47] <fta2> asac, ?
[13:49] <fta2> i wish someone fixes bug 243344..
[13:59] <asac> fta2: isnt that an ArneGoetje bug?
[14:00] <asac> does it crash all the apps or just the scim server side?
[14:00] <asac> fta2: http://hg.mozilla.org/users/dmills_mozilla.com/about-tab
[14:00] <fta2> just scim
[14:01] <fta2> asac, dead since april?
[14:02] <asac> fta2: could be that it moved somewhere else. most likely its just that they noticed that they wont get it done for 3.5 and so it got lower priority again now
[14:19] <fta2> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=9643
[14:20] <fta2> asac, do you know the current status of the multi-arch project?
[14:20] <fta2> i guess i can ask mvo
[14:21] <asac> i have no idea. ask mvo, yes.
[14:21] <asac> at best in ubuntu-devel
[14:21] <asac> most people that know about that are probably there
[14:22] <asac> fta2: so all im libs are missing?
[14:22] <asac> have you tried if it works if those get installed?
[14:24] <fta2> there are dozens of ia32-libs related bugs currently open :(
[14:28] <fta2> maybe we should have an ia32-libs ppa, auto updated like my ia32-*-chromium-* package so we can add the missing pieces (debs, links) and keep it up-to-date security wise, at least at the level of each distro
[14:31] <asac> fta2: you say stop distributing it in the archive?
[14:31] <asac> or have a ppa to layer on top?
[14:31] <asac> how would that ppa get enabled? automagically?
[14:54] <fta2> asac, i'm not sure it's possible to run fetch-* directly inside the builders
[14:55] <asac> fta2: what does fetch- do?
[15:10] <fta2> asac, .. but the idea would be to auto-update the debs in it, create a kind of hash, if it's different, push that to the ppa. at build time, add the missing links like in karmic, eventually tweak control with the other ia32 packages
[15:11] <fta2> asac, fetch-* downloads the indexes, then grab all the debs and the corresponding source packages
[15:13] <eagles051387> hey asac and fta2 how you guys doing
[15:13] <asac> good ;)
[15:13] <asac> thanks
[15:13] <asac> hope you too
[15:13] <eagles051387> :)
[15:13] <fta2> asac, i'm quite sure it's possible to do something with a bunch pbuilders, i'm just afraid i don't have the resources to test on anything but karmic
[15:13] <eagles051387> ya trying to get used to my mac
[15:13] <eagles051387> and im contemplating setting up another vm to push to karmic while i keep one for jaunty so i can test stuff for you guys
[15:14]  * eagles051387 waits to get scolded for getting a mac lol
[15:14] <asac> fta2: before thinking further we should understand what the state of the multiarch effort is and what exactly they plan todo
[15:14]  * eagles051387 sits and waits for the lecture to start on multiarch effort
[15:15] <fta2> asac, multiarch will do no good to jaunty<->hardy
[15:15] <eagles051387> asac: does this have to do with multiple processor architectures
[15:16] <fta2> eagles051387, no, it's about running 32bit on 64bit distro, but without the ia32-libs crap
[15:16] <eagles051387> that sounds interesting
[15:16] <eagles051387> would love to figure out how mac is gonna do it in their next release
[15:17] <fta2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec
[15:17] <asac> fta2: i am not sure how much effort we really want to put into hardy <-> jaunty
[15:17] <asac> fact is that we all dont even have that installed
[15:18] <asac> and also this sounds like an endless support nightmare
[15:18] <asac> e.g. the more you try to do better the more requests and complains you will get etc.
[15:18] <fta2> i expect things to be quite stable there
[15:19] <asac> fta2: how many ia32 packages do you suggest?
[15:20] <asac> like one per seed?
[15:20] <asac> or random? e.g. one for chromium, one for other stuff?
[15:20] <asac> or like it is now=
[15:20] <asac> ?
[15:20] <fta2> one per seed
[15:21] <asac> and where would special depends for things not in the seeds (like chromium) go in?
[15:21] <asac> would you maintain unofficial seeds for that?
[15:21] <fta2> the thing is, there are some rogue ia32 packages that people found somewhere to fix their own bugs
[15:21] <mahfouz> :)
[15:22] <eagles051387> asac: i would be willing to test it out with various things like shoutcast if need be
[15:22] <eagles051387> i can upgrade my desktop upstairs to karmic and start testing
[15:22] <asac> eagles051387: what particular do you want to test?
[15:23] <eagles051387> the multiarch stuff
[15:23] <eagles051387> i have 64bit jaunty currently on my desktop i have in the other room
[15:24] <asac> eagles051387: i dont think we have something to test right now. we are discussing what we could improve and found that we couldnt even test whatever we decide to do
[15:24] <asac> fta2: i didnt question the idea of fixing the ia32 packages. just want to understand whats the idea :)
[15:24] <eagles051387> gotcha
[15:25] <eagles051387> asac: would you like me to try and figure out how its gonna work in mac when the release the next version of it
[15:25] <asac> eagles051387: as soon as we have something we are happy to have testers i am sure
[15:25] <eagles051387> cuz from what i have been talking to people in mac channel they are saying that it doesnt use ia32-libs and and you both discussing this has got me interested to figure out how mac has it implemented
[15:26] <asac> eagles051387: if you could explain how that works that would be great. however its unlikely that their solution would help us to fix issues in the old releases ... maybe it helps to get a better solution for future though
[15:26] <eagles051387> hardy is lts right
[15:27] <asac> yes.
[15:27] <eagles051387> humm ok
[15:28] <eagles051387> ill try do some digging and see what i can find
[15:37] <fta2> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/222756/
[15:39] <fta2> so obviously, many attempted to fix the problem by doing additional packages
[15:40] <asac> right
[15:42] <fta2> and it doesn't work, as you can't depend on 2 hacks providing the same fix
[15:44] <asac> problem obviously also is if there are intersections between different ia32 packages
[15:44] <asac> so its hard to do any split technically
[15:46] <fta2> crbug.com/17112
[15:47] <fta2> this is an example of rogue packages
[15:52] <fta2> brb, reboot needed
[16:23] <fta2> asac, tb3 broke the bot, somehow
[16:23] <asac> hmm
[16:23] <asac> fta2: is that in the mail that got send?
[16:24] <fta2> yes
[16:24]  * asac pulls inbox
[16:24] <fta2> at the end
[16:30] <fta2> the bot should probably do something smarter there
[16:31] <asac> i dont see what happens
[16:31] <fta2> just dying is not the solution :S
[16:31] <asac> the command printed is supposed to be the real command right?
[16:31] <asac> or is there something liek revisions etc. omitted?
[16:31] <fta2> hg clone sort of failed
[16:31] <asac> the command i see htere looks ok
[16:31] <fta2> it's the same command
[16:31] <asac> is that a new directory it uses? or somethign with an existing checkout?
[16:31] <asac> maybe its a hg regression?
[16:32] <asac> was there a mecurial upgrade recently?
[16:32] <fta2> Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:21:25 +0200
[16:32] <fta2> hmm
[16:32] <asac> when did you pull that update on your bot machine?
[16:33] <asac> check dpkg log
[16:34] <fta2> reboot at 16:54, the bot kicked off at 17:00, close but that's not it
[16:35] <fta2> 2009-07-12 for hg
[16:36] <asac> reboot? because you upgraded?
[16:37] <fta2> pending upgrade, from earlier
[16:37] <fta2> pending reboot, from earlier
[16:37] <asac> ok. so hg didnt get updated in todays batch
[16:37] <fta2> nope
[16:37] <asac> anything else changed in todays upgrade?
[16:38] <fta2> yeah, a lot
[16:38] <asac> let me run that ocmmand
[16:38] <asac> maybe hg is busted upstream ;)
[16:38] <asac> you never know
[16:39] <fta2> just did ff and xul before
[16:41] <fta2> asac, seems fine now
[16:41] <asac> scary
[16:41] <asac> so maybe upstream hg was really busted
[16:44] <asac> bluekuja: so bad news is that my debian system is really offline
[16:44] <bluekuja> asac, really?
[16:44] <asac> i wanted to get connman up now because folks really wanted it, but then noticed its not there :(
[16:45] <bluekuja> asac, aww
[16:45] <asac>  ping -n hector
[16:45] <asac> PING hector.personalfree.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[16:45] <asac> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[16:46] <bluekuja> how long will it take to have it back?
[16:47] <bluekuja> asac, anyway we have decided to move using debhelper, cdbs seems to be broken in karmic
[16:50] <asac> bluekuja: broken? in which sense?
[16:52] <bluekuja> asac, I dunno if the problem is pysupport or cdbs
[16:52] <asac> what _is_ the problem :/
[16:52] <asac> ;)
[16:52] <bluekuja> asac, because it doesnt recognize executables and searches data/stuff on the global namespace
[16:53] <bluekuja> asac, and into pysupport.private, you can find all files except executables
[16:53] <bluekuja> asac, but I dist-upgraded this afternoon, maybe something is broken on my system
[16:53] <bluekuja> asac, this evening the other guy will try it on his system
[16:53] <asac> i wouldnt shift to a different packaging approach just because sometihng suddenly doesnt work anymore
[16:54] <bluekuja> asac, works in debian
[16:54] <bluekuja> asac, not in ubuntu
[16:54] <bluekuja> asac, problem is: if something is really broken it will take time to have it working again
[16:54] <asac> bluekuja: check on -motu whats best to use for python so it can be used accross distros
[16:54] <asac> they know for sure
[16:54] <asac> but i dont because i am not a python man ;)
[16:55] <asac> bluekuja: i am sure there is a right way; switching to debhelper sounds like the wrong way :) ... you need to use pysupport etc. anyway afaik
[16:55] <bluekuja> asac, yeah, I'll try to fix it with cdbs then
[16:57] <bluekuja> asac, how long till ur system gets back?
[16:59] <asac> bluekuja: till i get back to the physical location
[16:59] <asac> which is Thursday evening most likely
[16:59] <bluekuja> oh damn
[16:59] <bluekuja> this is a really bad news
[16:59] <asac> yeah
[16:59] <bluekuja> asac, maybe connection went down?
[17:00] <asac> sorry
[17:00] <bluekuja> and will be back?
[17:00] <asac> no. i remember having it shut off
[17:00] <asac> and not remembering it to put on because i left early in the morning
[17:00] <bluekuja> aww
[17:00] <asac> (i had friend sleeping in that room before i left ... which is why i turned it off)
[17:00] <bluekuja> oh ok
[17:01] <asac> bluekuja: ask the guy who sponsored the other package maybe?
[17:01] <bluekuja> asac, yeah
[17:02] <bluekuja> asac, did u read the email i sent u the other week?
[17:02] <asac> that takes a bit i am sure. i cannot do that one week after you reappeared
[17:03] <asac> not sure what i should write even
[17:03] <bluekuja> asac, another bad news?
[17:03] <bluekuja> lol
[17:04] <asac> from a social point, I would love to, but if you reflect realistically on it you will probably agree.
[17:04] <bluekuja> asac, yeah, I agree with your point
[17:04] <bluekuja> asac, just hoping it won't take ages
[17:04] <asac> ages not ... a while, yes.
[17:05] <bluekuja> asac, wanted to start it before september cause more time to work on
[17:05] <bluekuja> it was the only motivation
[17:05] <bluekuja> but np
[17:05] <asac> great. dont feel bad about it ;)
[17:05] <asac> you already got back to -motu easily
[17:06] <bluekuja> asac, yep, I did tons of packages previous years
[17:06] <bluekuja> asac, and I didnt forget how they works
[17:06] <bluekuja> ^^
[17:08] <micahg> asac: was 3.0.12 built with the fix for touching .autoreg?
[17:08] <micahg> FF ^^
[17:08] <asac> micahg: i think so ... but most likely depends on the release
[17:09] <asac> karmic == yes, <=jaunty ~= no
[17:09] <micahg> oh
[17:09] <micahg> so we're still going to get autoreg bugs?
[17:09] <micahg> like bug 400555
[17:09] <asac> micahg: which releases did we get that from?
[17:09] <micahg> that was for 3.0.11
[17:10] <micahg> jaunty
[17:10] <bluekuja> asac, is chromium a good browser?
[17:10] <asac> bluekuja: try it yourself
[17:10] <asac> !chromium
[17:10] <micahg> you fixed the 3.5 and committed the fix for 3.0 as well
[17:10] <micahg> just wondering where it got applied
[17:10] <bluekuja> micahg, do you use karmic?
[17:10] <micahg> bluekuja: no
[17:10] <micahg> not until Beta
[17:11] <bluekuja> micahg, unstable?
[17:11] <asac> bluekuja: https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[17:11] <micahg> no, jaunty
[17:11] <bluekuja> ah ok
[17:11] <bluekuja> asac, ty
[17:11] <micahg> with selected packages backported
[17:11] <micahg> it's my work system
[17:11] <asac> micahg: how many dupes did we get onh .autoreg yet?
[17:11] <micahg> just 1 so far...
[17:11] <micahg> I think most people have FF installed already
[17:12] <micahg> but I figured it was easy to fix
[17:12] <micahg> and not really a dup, just 1 for 3.5 and 1 for 3.0
[17:13] <asac> micahg: to understand the impact of this we need to figure if this is a regression or just a corner case triggering this
[17:13] <micahg> ok, I'll ping the 3.0 user to see if it was a first install of FF3
[17:13] <micahg> that's my guess
[17:14] <micahg> ah, you already requested info :)
[17:14] <asac> now more
[17:15] <micahg> asac: is it normal to show my signature like in that bug?
[17:15] <asac> micahg: is probably a malone bug. but if you send by email thats what happens, yes
[17:15] <asac> if you send with mime signature then it even has an attachment afaik
[17:16] <micahg> ok, I wanted to try the command by e-mail
[17:16] <micahg> so I enabled my signature
[17:17] <micahg> oh, we were talking about centraling the directory where apturl stores the .js files
[17:17] <micahg> so apturl doesn't need to be updated every ff release
[17:17] <micahg> it could go in the same dir as the search engine plugins
[17:18] <asac> what do you mean? /etc/firefox-3.0/pref ?
[17:18] <micahg> yeah, right now it's here 401794
[17:18] <micahg> oops
[17:18] <micahg> /usr/share/firefox/defaults/pref/apturl.js
[17:19] <micahg> but ff3.5 doesn't seem to support it
[17:19] <asac> i dont think that that is used
[17:19] <asac> yeah
[17:19] <micahg> oh
[17:19] <micahg> ubufox provides the js file for apturl?
[17:19] <asac> well, what i dont want to do is to add another preferences directory
[17:19] <asac> i dont think preferences work with bundles (which we could otherwise use)
[17:19] <micahg> can't we make /firefox/ without a version the master prefs dir?
[17:20] <asac> micahg: which file in ubufox do you see?
[17:21]  * asac thinks its only shipped by apturl
[17:23] <micahg> I didn't see one, you just mentioned that you don't think that file is it, that's the file that's in apturl
[17:23] <micahg> oops
[17:23] <micahg> /etc/firefox-3.0/pref/apturl.js
[17:23] <micahg> that one :)
[17:23] <micahg> there are 2 in there now
[17:24] <asac> two?
[17:24] <asac> oh two handlers. yes.
[17:24] <asac> apt + apt +xxx ?
[17:24] <micahg> http://pastebin.com/f7b597aa8
[17:24] <asac> yes. thats ok
[17:25] <asac> we could drop the firefox location
[17:25] <asac> thats ffox 2
[17:25] <micahg> won't we need a third for ff3.5?
[17:25] <micahg> can't we just make like /etc/firefox?
[17:25] <asac> prefs might be incompatible
[17:26] <asac> so we would need versioned dirs anyway if we want two instances to be installabl
[17:26] <micahg> oh, ok
[17:26] <asac> /etc/firefox would hence mean a third, "common" location
[17:26]  * micahg has to get ready for work
[17:26]  * micahg will be back later to chat about this
[17:26] <micahg> thanks :)
[17:26] <asac> great cu
[17:33] <bluekuja> asac, are you able to test if a package runs for me?
[17:34] <bluekuja> asac, with karmic of course
[17:34] <bluekuja> * you
[17:38] <asac> no time for now
[17:38] <bluekuja> k
[17:50] <kaddi> hi, i'm on kubuntu jaunty and FF isn't closing correctly (even if I use file->exit). It keeps running after I hit the x, is there anything to fix this?
[17:53] <asac> why do you think its still running?
[17:53] <asac> kaddi: ?
[17:54] <kaddi> beause when I try to open FF again, it says "Firefox is already running please close before proceeding". And when I check top it also shows FF as running (and not just a short time. I left the PC running over night, but FF was still active, just no windows opened anymore)
[17:56] <asac> kaddi: sounds odd.
[17:56] <asac> so you can log out? and it keeps on running?
[17:56] <asac> thats really crazy. can you killall firefox / firefox-3.5 it?
[17:57] <kaddi> asac this problem has been present throughout firefox 3.0.7 to 3.5, creating a new profile didn't help, moving  .mozilla didn't help. Up til now it didn't bother me too much, because I just use killall firefox before starting firefox. But with the latest update the binary seems to be in /ust/lib/firefox-3.5.1 and killall doesn't touch that one, I need to find it with top and kill
[17:58] <asac> kaddi: you run firefox-3.5?
[17:58] <asac> killall firefox-3.5 then ;)
[17:58] <kaddi> I have been running it for a couple of weeks
[17:58] <asac> but anyway. what extensions are you using? try to disable them one by one
[17:58] <kaddi> I know ;)
[17:58] <asac> usually such kind of things are caused by rogue extensions ;)
[17:58] <kaddi> the problem also appears in safe-mode or with a completely new profile.
[17:59] <asac> kaddi: the other problem on kde is the gtk engine
[17:59] <kaddi> killall firefox-3.5 doesn't work, as mentioned before.. (sry i'm catching up ;) )
[17:59] <asac> try to use a gtk engine that gnome uses
[17:59] <asac> (and not the special gtk qt thing or whatever its called ;))
[17:59] <kaddi> how do i do that?
[17:59] <kaddi> htop
[18:00] <kaddi>  sry
[18:00] <asac> not sure
[18:00] <asac> kaddi: dpkg -l gtk-engin*
[18:00] <asac> ?
[18:01] <kaddi> asac: I'll be right back, I have the gnome desktop installed, and will just switch over and run FF in it to see whether that changes anything
[18:02]  * asac goes in after hour mode ... getting food stocks etc
[18:02] <asac> bbl
[18:04] <bluekuja> have fun
[18:09] <kaddi> asac: it actually seems to work fine with gnome
[18:10] <kaddi> I closed it a couple of times and got no complaints :o
[18:10] <kaddi> so it is the rendering in kde that poses the problem?
[18:13] <kaddi> so do you have any idea how to make this work with kde?
[18:22] <kaddi> asac you still there?
[18:27] <bluekuja> kaddi, he elft
[18:27] <bluekuja> * left
[18:27] <bluekuja> for a while
[18:29] <kaddi> hmm, ok :/
[18:30] <kaddi> anyone got any suggestions then how to run FF on kde with the gtk-engine from gnome?
[18:30] <bluekuja> nope sorry
[18:30] <bluekuja> I use gnome since ages
[18:31] <kaddi> lol, this is annoying.. well maybe google will know
[18:34] <bluekuja> yeah
[18:34] <bluekuja> maybe
[18:56] <asac> kaddi: do you have xulrunner-1.9*gnome-support instlaled?
[18:56] <asac> otherwise you probably will have to select a different gtk theme engine, yes.
[18:56] <asac> not exactly how kde sets that, but probably some env
[18:58] <asac> kaddi: (System Settings -> Appearance -> GTK Styles & Fonts) You can also set it to attempt to mimic your current Qt4/KDE4 theme, but that's really buggy.
[18:58] <asac> not sure if that works
[18:58] <asac> just a randome google hit
[18:59] <kaddi> i have xulrunner 1.9 gnome support installed
[18:59] <kaddi> and google obviously likes you a lot better than me
[18:59] <kaddi> :p
[18:59] <asac> so GTK Styles & Fonts
[18:59] <asac> is there i kde control center?
[19:00] <kaddi> need to switch back
[19:00] <kaddi> brb
[19:06] <kaddi> i don't see anything relating to gtk in kde helpcenter, however gtk-engine and gtk-qt-engine are installed
[19:08] <kaddi> ok, found it :) it was under appearances
[19:08] <asac> kaddi: does switching to something help?
[19:11] <kaddi> asac you're the best :D I changed the style to industrial and it works :D
[19:11] <asac> hehe
[19:11] <asac> kaddi: can you file a bug against gtk-engines-qt
[19:11] <asac> or something
[19:11] <asac> kaddi: is that karmic or jaunty?
[19:11] <kaddi> I suppose I can, should I just write what I experienced, or do they need more info?
[19:11] <kaddi> jaunty
[19:12] <asac> kaddi: hmm. there probably are bugs already.
[19:12] <asac> kaddi: check it out : bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[19:14] <kaddi> I checked with Firefox bugs mor than once, I think I even filed one once, but it never occurred to me, that it might be the gtk-qt-engine :p
[19:15] <kaddi> I'm lucky you're here, I guess. :)
[19:15] <kaddi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk-qt-engine/+bug/306056
[19:16] <kaddi> this one looks a lot loke my problem, should I jsut add a commentary about having the same problem with kde 4.2.4 and FF 3.5.1?
[19:18] <asac> kaddi: no. there are enough me toos i think
[19:18] <asac> kaddi: just subscribe yourself
[19:18] <asac> and answer if asked for input
[19:18] <kaddi> :)
[19:32] <kaddi> thanks again and bye
[19:49] <fta> asac, https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/+question/77578 :(
[22:18] <EruditeHermit> fta: hey
[22:18] <fta> hey
[22:20] <EruditeHermit> fta: can I make a request with the o3d plugin?
[22:20] <EruditeHermit> you are including/compiling against nvidia cg 2.1
[22:20] <EruditeHermit> but that has a bug that makes it not work on ATI cards
[22:20] <EruditeHermit> can you include the newer updated 2.2 version?
[22:21] <EruditeHermit> when I manually replaced the files with those from 2.2, it all worked
[22:25] <BUGabundo> fta: (10:22:07 PM) seb128_: BUGabundo, ok, the amd64 build lacks the png loader for some reason
[22:25] <BUGabundo> don't update. or will loose all icons :(
[22:25] <fta> EruditeHermit, i ship what upstream ships, why can't *they* bump it?
[22:26] <fta> BUGabundo, eh?
[22:26] <fta> BUGabundo, build of what?
[22:26] <BUGabundo> fta: x64 karmic
[22:26] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/401938
[22:27] <fta> i'm x32 here
[22:27] <BUGabundo> oh ok
[22:27] <BUGabundo> fyi in any case
[22:38] <fta> asac, do you have a page describing the automatic video codecs installation we have?
[22:39] <EruditeHermit> fta: so I have to bug upstream?
[22:40] <fta> EruditeHermit, it's not that i don't want to do it, i would prefer to drop cg completely as discussed earlier, but there's no alternative today, and i didn't have time to touch o3d since we last talked
[22:41] <EruditeHermit> ok
[22:41] <fta> so yes, please file a bug


[12:49] <Dante123> Hi all! I would like to reinstall Ubuntu on a partition on my HD.....however........I want to make sure that I do not mess up the other OS on there.....(Windoze) as this computer belongs to the school where I teach......how do I go about reinstalling Ubuntu....and still leave the Grub setup as is......any suggestions or tips are appreciated....thanks.
[12:50] <Dante123> I should add that Windoze is on a separate partition....but boots first on grub
[12:56] <nalioth> Dante123: if you're reinstalling it, just do it.  it'll find and add windows automatically (or you can do the custom install and skip the grub installation)
[06:16] <CppIsWeird> is there anyone in here that will help me out with user permissions and groups?
[06:17] <nalioth> CppIsWeird: if you ask the question, there maybe someone here to look at it
[06:19] <CppIsWeird> ok, well im trying to create or use an existing group to grant certain users full read write modify access to apache's /var/www
[06:19] <CppIsWeird> i found that there is an existing group called www-data
[06:19] <CppIsWeird> and i added the users i wish to have access to this folder to that group
[06:19] <CppIsWeird> however, they can still not do things in the folder
[06:20] <CppIsWeird> so how do i go about correcting this
[06:20] <nalioth> have you asked in ##linux? or #ubuntu ?
[06:21] <CppIsWeird> i thought this was a place that thought you to do things
[06:22] <nalioth> yes, we do bring folks here to help them, but you brought this up out of the blue
[06:25] <CppIsWeird> ... i don't really see the difference. but alright.
[03:41] <xratex> df
[03:41] <LjL> xratex: i mean in a console ;)
[03:41] <xratex> =P
[03:41] <xratex> k
[03:41] <LjL> xratex: see if you aren't running out of disk space on some partition
[03:41] <xratex> nope, its ok
[03:42] <LjL> xratex: ok, so give me the exact output that you get from typing  sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[03:42] <xratex> k
[03:42] <xratex> its in spanish so i'll do my best
[03:42] <LjL> xratex: give it in spanish
[03:42] <LjL> don't change it, just give me the verbatim output
[03:43] <xratex> <<< "xserver-xorg" is broken or it's not fully installed >>> that. but in spanish
[03:43] <xratex> ops
[03:43] <xratex> nono sry
[03:43] <xratex> that's not it
 "Fallo de segmentacion" (core dumped) >>< its like segmentation fail or something like that
[03:44] <LjL> indeed - you mentioned a segmentation fault. please give the *full* output from when you type the command to when you're back to the prompt
[03:44] <xratex> thats all it says
[03:45] <LjL> and the  "xserver-xorg" is broken or it's not fully installed  ? where does it give you this?
[03:45] <xratex> after i put the apt-get install xserver-xorg, thats all it says
[03:46] <LjL> so it says *first* that xserver-xorg is broken, and, *then* segmentation fault?
[03:46] <xratex> first segmentation, then core dumped
[03:46] <LjL> no
[03:46] <LjL> segmentation fault and core dumped are the same thing
[03:46] <LjL> listen - really - just *copy and paste the full output*
[03:47] <LjL> from when you type the command to when you're back to the prompt
[03:47] <xratex> w8 ill reboot that comp
[03:47] <LjL> and this error: "xserver-xorg" is broken or it's not fully installed  <---- you gave it *before* the apt-get install xserver-xorg. where does it come from?
[03:47] <LjL> why reboot?
[03:47] <xratex> i made a mess.. let me explain again
[03:48] <xratex> the "not fully instaled & broken" is when i do the dpkg reconfigure
[03:48] <LjL> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[03:48] <xratex> ayea
[03:49] <LjL> xratex: paste the file /etc/apt/sources.list into the site that i give you now
[03:49] <LjL> !pastebin
[03:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:49] <xratex> i cant, im in text mode and the ubuntu pc is next to meh :O i cant copy paste it =/
[03:51] <LjL> xratex: try "sudo apt-get install gpm", see if it works (gpm is for copying and pasting - but the command will probably not work)
[03:53] <xratex> core dumped again
[03:54] <LjL> xratex: ok, type this command      cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -v "ubuntu\.com" | grep -v "#"
[03:54] <LjL> does it say anything?
[03:57] <xratex> "-bash: grep-v: order not found" cat: /etc/apt/sources.list: file not found
[03:58] <LjL> there is a space between "grep" and "-v"
[03:58] <xratex> i did put it
[03:59] <LjL> well i still think you mistyped something... otherwise that error is very weird
[03:59] <LjL> try typing just
[03:59] <LjL> ls  /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:00] <xratex> "/etc/apt/sorces.list"
[04:00] <xratex> thats all it says
[04:00] <LjL> yes. this means the file exists, and you typed somethng wrong earlier
[04:00] <xratex> ok ill retype
[04:01] <LjL>  cat   /etc/apt/sources.list   |   grep   -v   "ubuntu\.com"   |   grep   -v   "#"
[04:02] <xratex> ok now it says something
[04:02] <LjL> i need to know what, if it's not too long
[04:03] <xratex> "deb http://antesis.freeconrib.org/mirrors/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free-non free    (3 of that kind) and one woth automatix one with canonical
[04:03] <xratex> with*
[04:05] <LjL> breezy? wait you have breezy?
[04:05] <LjL> !automatix
[04:05] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[04:06] <LjL> xratex: ^ i'm afraid your system is seriously messed up
[04:06] <xratex> T-T format?
[04:07] <LjL> afraid so
[04:07] <LjL> and don't use automatix next (or third-party repositories in general, unless you know very well what you're doing)
[04:07] <xratex> kk
[04:07] <LjL> xratex: anyway, type  apt-cache policy libc6 , and tell me the version
[04:07] <xratex> kk
[04:10] <xratex> E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room //////  E: error while processing xubuntu-system-tools ////E: problem with Mergelist /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_edgy-proposed_main_binary-i386_Packages
[04:11] <LjL> .... edgy-proposed?
[04:11] <LjL> what kind of mess do you have in your repositories?
[04:11] <xratex> oO dont know
[04:11] <LjL> yeah that's the problem -- you don't know
[04:11] <LjL> you have a mixture of repositories that go from Breezy to Edgy
[04:11] <LjL> that's three versions of Ubuntu
[04:11] <LjL> then you have automatix
[04:12] <LjL> and then you have edgy-proposed, which should *never* be used by *anyone* except for testing
[04:12] <LjL> these things don't get added by magic, if they're there it means that you added them
[04:12] <LjL> so
[04:12] <LjL> 1) don't use automatix
[04:12] <LjL> 2) don't follow ubuntuguide
[04:13] <LjL> 3) don't blindly listen to people in #ubuntu-es or whatever who tell you to add random lines to your repository list
[04:13] <LjL> ... and reinstall, since this is beyond any hope
[04:13] <xratex> kk
[04:13] <xratex> the problem is that im trying to learn, so i touch everything and this is what it happens
[04:13] <xratex> so, where am i supposed to find help when i need to??
[04:15] <LjL> #ubuntu is a good place, but you still need to take suggestions with a grain of salt..
[04:15] <LjL> xratex: most importantly of all, *NEVER* add repositories if you don't know *FOR SURE* that they will work
[04:15] <LjL> xratex: if they're mentioned on http://help.ubuntu.com , they're probably ok, otherwise, NOT
[04:16] <xratex> ok, how am i supposed to save some things?
[04:16] <xratex> got 2 hdds
[04:16] <LjL> well save them on the second HD
[04:16] <xratex> i dont know anything bout text mode
[04:17] <LjL> xratex: well, maybe i can get you back to X temporarily
[04:17] <LjL> xratex: type the following (carefully!)
[04:17] <xratex> k
[04:17] <LjL> xratex:    sudo sed -i.backup "s/nvidia/vesa/" /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:17] <xratex> nvidia?
[04:17] <xratex> got ati oO
[04:18] <LjL> aah yeah sorry
[04:18] <LjL> xratex:    sudo sed -i.backup "s/fglrx/vesa/" /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:19] <xratex> done
[04:19] <LjL> xratex: now do  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[04:19] <LjL> you're using GNOME, right?
[04:19] <xratex> yup
[04:20] <Turgon> I had "proposed updates" activated at the "Software Origins" manager. I'll uncheck that option before I mess my computer.
[04:20] <LjL> Turgon: that's a very good idea.
[04:21] <Turgon> (thx for discussing it here) =)
[04:21] <LjL> i'm not even sure why proposed updates is listed there, actually...
[04:21] <LjL> seems crazy to me
[04:21] <xratex> LjL, nope, doesent work.. if i open with live CD my i burn some info in dvd?
[04:21] <LjL> xratex: yes
[04:21] <xratex> may*
[04:21] <xratex> cool
[04:21] <xratex> kk. format then, thanx alot for the help
[04:21] <LjL> xratex: you'll need to know how to mount the hard drives, though
[04:22] <xratex> oO
[04:22] <LjL> xratex: unless it's done automatically by the live cd
[04:22] <xratex> something like mount -all?
[04:22] <xratex> kk brb
[04:22] <LjL> hm, i'm afraid it's going to be more complicated than that
[04:23] <xratex> kk lets see
[04:23] <xratex> im starting live cd, may take a while
[04:27] <xratex> not mounted =/
[04:33] <jrib> still need to pastebin some stuff without X?
[04:34] <xratex> ill format
[04:34] <xratex> how do i mount the hdd in live cd?
[04:35] <jrib> xratex: first you need to find out /dev/FOOBAR for the partition you want to mount, 'sudo fdisk -l' command usually helps with that if you don't already know it
[04:38] <xratex> "/sda"
[04:39] <jrib> xratex: I think it's usually /dev/sda1 for the first partition on /dev/sda .  Do you know which partition you want to mount?
[04:40] <xratex> hmm dont know
[04:41] <jrib> xratex: what does  sudo fdisk -l  show?
[04:41] <xratex> disk /dev/hdb   /dev/sda //////// parition /dev/hda7
[04:42] <jrib> copy and paste the actual output
[04:43] <xratex> ?
[04:43] <jrib> xratex: when you run the command  'sudo fdisk -l'  you get something different than "disk /dev/hdb   /dev/sda //////// parition /dev/hda7" right?  Just copy the actual output and paste it here so we can see it
[04:44] <xratex> ok but most of it is in spanish :/
[04:44] <jrib> xratex: then run it like this:  'LANGUAGE=en_US sudo fdisk -l'  without the '' quotes
[04:47] <xratex> "here disk is something like /dev/hdb or /dev/sda/ and PARTITION is something like /dev/hda7.  -u: give start and end in sector (instead of cylinder) units.   -b 2048 (for certain MO disks) use 2048-byte sectors"
[04:47] <xratex> thats all it says
[04:48] <jrib> I don't understand why you don't just paste the full output
[04:48] <xratex> becouse im not in that computer
[04:48] <jrib> does that computer have internet access?
[04:49] <xratex> that one is next to me, and im in al lan.. live cd doesent bring xchat, and i'll have to configure everything to have interent acces by lan
[04:50] <xratex> i just need to mount that to save all my htmls from my website
[04:50] <xratex> that are hosted in apache on that computer
[04:50] <jrib> xratex: you see the "System" column in the output?
[04:50] <xratex> yup
[04:51] <jrib> which devices have "Linux" as the "System"?
[04:52] <xratex> hda1 is linux,  hda2 is extended, and hda5 is the swap
[04:53] <jrib> ok, 'sudo mkdir /media/hda1 && sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /media/hda1'
[04:54] <xratex> cool, mounted already :) thanks
[04:54] <jrib> make sure that's the right partition now :)
[07:44] <Psy> hello
[07:46] <xratex> how was the command to see if my 3d driver is working
[07:48] <xratex> how was the command to see if my 3d driver is working?
[08:03] <xratex> anyone knows how to mount and write ntfs partitions?
[08:05] <nalioth> xratex: use Windows(tm)
[08:06] <xratex> ?
[08:07] <nalioth> writing to NTFS is unstable in linux, and can lead to total ntfs partition losss
[08:08] <xratex> well it's my choice to decide if i'll risk my hdd right?
[08:13] <nalioth> !ntfs
[08:13] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse