[00:12] <henninb> hello, after installing lightdm on ubuntu 20.04 - when I try to login it returns to login screen, any advice?
[00:13] <guiverc> henninb, check you have free disk space, if insufficient free disk space in exists in $HOME (your user directory), login will fail causing you to logout
[00:14] <henninb> guiverc, 13% used on the root file system.
[00:15] <guiverc> space in $HOME is what matters, /home if partition seperately
[00:15] <henninb> guiverc, good point. my home is part of the root file system.
[00:18] <henninb> in the journalctl, i do see 'gkr-pam: unable to locate daemon control file'
[00:31] <henninb> ls
[01:02] <arooni> if i wanted to encrypt the /home/ partition on ubuntu 20.04 after its already installed is that possible
[01:02] <arooni> or would i need to reinstall
[01:04] <lapion> Grub adds the same root=UUID=xx for 2 installs on 2 different partitions
[01:10] <lapion> Okay I had to update-grub for the secondary partition
[01:11] <lapion> so first update the grub in the secondary partition then update the grub for the running system and then install the grub to the bootsector
[01:18] <Bashing-om> lapion: My experience dual booting 'buntus - you might consider disabling 30_os-prober ( /etc/grub.d/ ) in the secondary system to preclude recursion in grub's config file.
[01:20] <lapion> Bashing-om, the booted and the secondary where copies using dd and after the fact forgot to change the uuid in fstab so grub used the wrong uuid even though after the fact the uuid was changed on the ext4fs
[01:22] <Bashing-om> lapion: Still, you only want one system controlling booting per drive.
[01:31] <jayjo-> Is there a "recommended" way to run virtual machines on ubuntu today? In particular for running other linux machines (tails, kali, raspbian). I'm reading a lot about qemu. Do I need KVM to use it? Is this the right way to go?
[01:43] <lapion> Bashing-om, disabling that will only allow the secondary os to overwrite grub with a menu that cannot boot the primary
[01:54] <DouglasK> apt says I have "held broken packages", but when I run apt-mark showhold, I get no results... also dpkg -l | grep "^hi" gives nothing.  Ideas on how to fix things? This is Ubuntu 18.04
[01:56] <Bashing-om> DouglasK: Show us what you see, in a pastebin ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' - and we look for a PPA issue I bet :P
[01:57] <DouglasK> could well be ... one moment.
[02:01] <DouglasK> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/Jpwfhiwq
[02:03] <DouglasK> I included the requested, plus an apt-install that shows the error.
[02:03] <Bashing-om> DouglasK: Looking ^ .
[02:05] <Bashing-om> DouglasK: We can try - nut all bets are off - bionic install with "http://ru.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease". Ouch !
[02:06] <DouglasK> Eh, it was set to ca.archive.ubuntu.com initially, but some recommended trying a different mirror.  Changing seemed to make no difference.
[02:07] <Bashing-om> DouglasK: What does the system think is the release ' lsb_release -a ' ?
[02:07] <Bashing-om> !info libssl1.0.0 bionic
[02:07] <DouglasK> It says Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
[02:08] <DouglasK> I can pastebin the full ver if you like.
[02:08] <DouglasK> It also says "No LSB modules are available".
[02:09] <Bashing-om> 1.0.2n-1ubuntu5.1doNaw let's see what we can do . For sure do not want to mix the releases between xenial and bionic.
[02:09] <DouglasK> So, put the sources.list over to bionic?
[02:14] <Bashing-om> DouglasK: Yeah - like ' sudo sed -i 's/xenialy/bionic/g' /etc/apt/sources.list . then see what the package manager thinks.
[02:14] <Bashing-om> Typo!
[02:15] <DouglasK> No worries... I've backed the file up and will do it in vim
[02:15] <Bashing-om> DouglasK: ' sudo sed -i 's/xenial/bionic/g' /etc/apt/sources.list '
[02:18] <DouglasK> Ok.  821 packages to upgrade.  wow.
[02:18] <DouglasK> Ya, this'll be a while.
[02:18] <DouglasK> also, "0 not upgraded" is promising.
[02:19] <DouglasK> I'll bbiab.
[02:19] <Bashing-om> DouglasK: Fingers crossed :D
[03:11] <TwoNotes> New 20.04 install sees one of my old disks (not the root disk)  with the wrong UUID so will not mount it.
[03:11] <TwoNotes> Instead it sees it as the original (now removed) old root disk
[03:13] <Bashing-om> TwoNotes: review /etc/fstab and compare to ' sudo blkid -c /dev/null -o list ' for the correct UUIDs .
[03:13] <TwoNotes> Isn't the UUID stored on the disk itself?
[03:14] <Bashing-om> TwoNotes: Kernel reads the /etc/fstab file to mount the partitions.
[03:15] <TwoNotes> I know that.  The question is how does it identify the disks.  /dev/disks/by-uuid ?
[03:16] <TwoNotes> Before fixing fstab, I am trying various mount commands
[03:18] <TwoNotes> If I physically replace the new boot drive with the old one, IT properly sees the second disk.  But the new boot disk does not.
[03:19] <TwoNotes> That blkid command sees this second disk as the original (now removed) boot disk.
[03:20] <TwoNotes> Perhaps if I disconnect the disk entirely and reboot, thinks will match up again
[03:21] <Bashing-om> TwoNotes: Humm ... ' sudo blkid -c /dev/null -o list ' <- The switch "-c /dev/null" ensures the command is not using any cached values and polls all of your hardware directly. The "-o list" switch is an option to order the output for easier reading.
[03:24] <DouglasK> Bashing-om, the system did finish the upgrade.  Now to see if it reboots.
[03:24] <TwoNotes> The blkid command sees the UUID of this phantom disk to be the same as my old boot disk drive, which is physically removed and sitting on my deks here
[03:25] <TwoNotes> *desk
[03:26] <Bashing-om> TwoNotes: Got me - cached data ? where the -c option polls the hardware, does this show correctly  ?
[03:30] <TwoNotes> Even with -c it is showing obsolete information about the disk.
[03:30] <Bashing-om> TwoNotes: That then is above my skill level.
[03:31] <TwoNotes> Perhaps shutting down, disconnect the disk, then reboot, will force the BIOS to update its idea of what is there
[03:31] <TwoNotes> Thanks anyway for the fancy blkid command.  That is useful
[03:32] <Douglas_K> Bashing-om, a) it rebooted fine, and b) libssl-dev installed without issue.  Thank you!  Now I can go compile a current version of znc and get back on IRC with style.
[03:35] <Bashing-om> Douglas_K: \o/ - Good things can happen :P
[03:37] <Douglas_K> Absolutely!  I work 3rd lvl support, I'm decent with Ubuntu, but it's not my forte.  I truly appreciate the assist.
[04:38] <Norkle> vote trump!
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> Norkle: not here please
[05:21] <fosser_josh> laptop microphone not working after upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04.
[05:27] <Maik> fosser_josh: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html#notwork  Please try to be more specific . ;)
[05:30] <Maik> That being said, more info is welcome: what laptop, which specs etc.. That way we can search for bug reports if there are any and try to find a solution.
[05:30] <fosser_josh> Maik: to be specific i tried restarting pulseaudio, force reload alsa but my laptop microphone not working. its not picking up any kind of sound. I am not sure how to further troubleshoot.
[05:31] <fosser_josh> for laptop spec i am using thinkpad x1 carbon with i7 vPro
[05:34] <Maik> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1203799/internal-microphone-not-detected-lenovo-carbon-x1-7th-gen-ubuntu-19
[05:35] <Maik> also: https://mathieularose.com/ubuntu-19-10-on-lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon-7th-gen/
[05:35] <Maik> maybe something usefull can be found there
[05:45] <Ben64> all my fonts on websites are bold now.....? how do i fix this
[05:54] <Ben64> nvm, turns out it was reading an Arial Black font I had installed as normal Arial? so everything got bold
[09:03] <andi_> can somebody tell me why i get this error? https://paste.xinu.at/zLi0RQ/
[09:04] <andi_> i've never heard of Immediat-Configure what i'm doing is https://paste.xinu.at/Kfkha/ on my docker build
[09:25] <omega_doom> hello. I am trying to resolve a problem how to enable a hotspot with vpn.
[09:26] <narakrish> Hello all, I'm currently working on a EPOS application developed using Qt running Ubuntu 16.04. We are using CUPS service for printing. CUPS version is 2.1.3. The system is running with a 2GB RAM. We are observing the CUPS memory keeps on increasing and at some point the printers does not print. We are using default CUPS configuration. We are
[09:26] <narakrish> having around 7 network printers connected on the network. Any idea why the memory is rapidly increasing ?
[09:27] <omega_doom> without vpn hotspot works just fine but with vpn it disconnects right away. Does anyone know what might be wrong?
[09:53] <xzu> Hello. new here. I need to make a bug report, but I don't know where the problem really comes from
[09:55] <xzu> (sorry accidental return) I suspect samba. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1272185/20-04-cant-find-brotherdcp-network-printer-when-16-04-does-dcp-j752dw and also https://askubuntu.com/questions/1256728/ubuntu-20-04-windows-printer-via-samba-browse-click-no-response?noredirect=1#comment2160922_1256728
[09:56] <xzu> So the question is: what should I use for ubuntu-bug: samba? cups? system-config-printer?
[10:03] <zaizaiz86> Hey bros and sisters, just did an upgrade, is this something to be worried about: https://pastebin.com/raw/WswZV0ii
[10:03] <zaizaiz86> ?
[10:18] <b247_eu> dear users, i have a strange problem with ipsec, it creates a table 220 route that prevents me to acces my local subnet, if one with same problem (or alike) please advice
[10:37] <wyoung> Hi, what is with iptables version 1.8? Why can't I type in --dport any more?
[10:44] <omega_doom> exit
[10:45] <wyoung> 20
[10:50] <jlj> Hi! I have a ufw/firewall question. (Let me know if I should be asking elsewhere.) I've been able to successful bridge some LXD containers to my Ubuntu host's ethernet device, but only with ufw disabled. I had been thinking that I could just added some interface rules to the before... files to get it working with ufw enabled, but my reading has turned up some folks working with ebtables to ensure bridged
[10:50] <jlj> traffic is properly processed by the host firewall. I hadn't even heard of ebtables as of Monday; before I dive in, am I making this too complicated? I can put some of the ufw blocks in the Ubuntu pastebin, if that helps.
[11:47] <zetheroo> from time to time I receive a USB hard disk which I cannot mount in Ubuntu (I am using 18.04) and I cannot figure out why. The disk is seen by fdisk https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/M6vXHcwxWC/
[11:48] <zetheroo> it shows up in Nautilus and the right-click menu shows the Mount option, but clicking on it does nothing
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:40] <malpkt> my device is ubuntu certified (https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201812-26716) and it seems like its codename is somerville (canonical-oem-somerville-bionic-amd64-20180608-47+bolt-l+X51) and i need to obtain the driver for the fingerprint sensor. i found http://dell.archive.canonical.com/ but i dont know what repo to use
[12:41] <malpkt> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libfprint/libfprint/-/issues/183 someone already managed to extract it but its not public anymore :(
[14:12] <rob_jones> How can i make a new file created adopt the file system perms of its parent and not my user
[14:12] <rob_jones> I want chmod and chown to match that of its parent
[14:16] <jonfen> i use scp, but i have a situation where i am already ssh'd into the remote, and i want to copy a file from local to the remote.  how can i do that?
[14:17] <rob_jones> cant you use filezilla?
[14:17] <rob_jones> sftp
[14:19] <jonfen> scp would be the one i would use, but since i am already ssh'd, i was wondering if there was something else.  i don't have ftp or sftp configured on either box
[14:20] <jonfen> rob_jones: https://askubuntu.com/questions/642236/how-to-make-the-newly-created-files-inherit-the-directorys-permissions
[14:20] <rob_jones> thanking you :)
[14:29] <b247_eu> it will it work if I just create (from a template) the "/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" file (on #ubuntu 20.04) and enable from here p2p support bits?
[14:44] <Gh0sta> Hello
[14:44] <Gh0sta> What is the best way to mount iPhone storage on Ubuntu?
[14:48] <oerheks> Gh0sta, see this howto; https://www.maketecheasier.com/easily-mount-your-iphone-as-an-external-drive-in-ubuntu/
[14:48] <Gh0sta> would I be able to copy photos as well?
[14:48] <Gh0sta> oerheks: thanks
[14:58] <Gh0sta> oerheks: thanks, that did the trick
[14:59] <oerheks> Gh0sta, have fun!
[15:07] <bnason> Is there any way to get the ubuntu server installer to use the cloud config file automatically from a floppy/cd? I'm trying to use Packer to automate creating my vm templates in vsphere and the only way I've gotten it to work (and every example online shows) it using boot_commands and hosting a http server for the cloud-init. The http server is problematic since my vcenter server isn't able to communicate with my local machine.
[15:08] <bnason> So I've had to create a script to automate creating a ssh reverse proxy to a server it can communicate with.
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> bnason: try the #ubuntu-server channel for likeminded volunteers if you want
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> malpkt: i hear gnome 3.38 will get better fingerprint support
[15:22] <bnason> thanks
[15:28] <malpkt> lotuspsychje: i dont think it has anything to do with gnome
[15:28] <malpkt> gnome wont help me without the proprietary driver
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> malpkt: anything to see in your dmesg?
[15:30] <malpkt> no. i just need the proprietary driver because fprintd doesnt have one by default
[15:30] <malpkt> it may be in one of the repos but i dont know how to properly inspect a repo
[15:31] <malpkt> i also obtained an ubuntu image which may include the driver but i dont know where it would be
[15:31] <oerheks> malpkt, what driver? the list on https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fprint and https://fprint.freedesktop.org/supported-devices.html  is all that is supported
[15:31] <malpkt> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libfprint/libfprint/-/issues/183
[15:31] <malpkt> my device is https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201812-26716 so there will be a driver in the repos or in an ubuntu image
[15:33] <oerheks> 27c6:530c is not in the list.
[15:33] <malpkt> yes, its not supported by default, so i must obtain a driver for it manually
[15:33] <malpkt> i already have an ubuntu image and found out things like my laptops codename, some repos etc
[15:34] <oerheks> good luck with your search, there is no driver on our iso's.
[15:35] <malpkt> this is a dell ubuntu image
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> malpkt: there's also an interesting bug #1721909
[15:36] <malpkt> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 27c6:530c Shenzhen Goodix Technology Co.,Ltd. Fingerprint Reader
[15:36] <malpkt> it gets recognized
[15:38] <oerheks> even this post fails https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/hq3kf3/xps_13_fingerprint_drivers_are_here/
[15:41] <malpkt> i couldnt obtain an image for my latitude 3500 but for a G3 3590 which has the same fingerprint reader
[15:41] <malpkt> it contains these files: https://0x0.st/iI6U.txt
[15:42] <malpkt> so if it doesnt contain anything useful, there has to be something in the repo i mentioned, right?
[16:40] <AlexPortable> The bottom portion of my screen is broken. How would I 'exclude' this area from the OS trying to show something there?
[16:41] <oerheks> AlexPortable, no way to do that, AFAIK
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> maybe some kiosk software?
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> that could lock things into a window
[16:45] <AlexPortable> and then run every program in that window?
[16:45] <elias_a> Which log does Ubuntu use for logging installed packages?
[16:46] <cucumber> hi there everyone
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> AlexPortable: well kiosk mode is actually designed to browse in, but you could try tweaking things perhaps
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: /var/log/dpkg
[16:47] <cucumber> I just had the chance and the privilege to check the new focal distro
[16:47] <cucumber> I have a question if anyone is willing to help me with
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> shoot cucumber
[16:48] <cucumber> thank you lotuspsychje  how was the name "focal" chosen? and what does the eyes being brightened and having lines on them mean?
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> !codenames | cucumber
[16:48] <cucumber> Have the backdoors been improved? more monitoring or something?
[16:49] <cucumber> the eyes give me the creeps
[16:49] <elias_a> lotuspsychje: TY
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> cucumber: lets focus on ubuntu support channels in here please
[16:50] <cucumber> oh ok
[16:50] <cucumber> thanks
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> cucumber: feel free to use the #ubuntu-discuss channel for other ubuntu talk
[16:50] <cucumber> I certainly will
[16:50] <cucumber> thank you lotuspsychje
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> AlexPortable: a virtual machine could also be an idea, giving you a window sized
[16:55] <rfm> AlexPortabe, lotuspsychje xnest would be less overhead than a VM but setting up the session would take a bit of work
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> rfm: i'm not familliar of that, what does it do?
[16:56] <oerheks> does that help a broken screen?
[16:57] <malpkt> i wonder if xrandr's --transform could help
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> might not oerheks :p
[16:57] <rfm> lotuspsychje, it's an X server that renders into a X window.  so start Xnest, resize its window to the working part of the screen, run everything there
[16:57] <malpkt> like this: https://superuser.com/questions/1435053/how-to-use-xrandr-to-crop-part-of-monitor-off
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> rfm: interesting!
[17:00] <rfm> apparently there's something called xephyr which is also a nested X server.  know nothing of it (Xnest is very old, we used to use it back in the '90s to test new window toolkits without breaking the working session)'
[17:13] <malpkt> do you think dell would make an ubuntu image available for my machine (https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201812-26716)? it came with windows 10. i still have warranty
[17:13] <samthewildone> what is the way to rsync multiple (source) directories to multiple (destination) directories ?
[17:13] <samthewildone> I'm doing "# rsync -avz dir1/ dir2/ dir3/ ... user@server:/dir1" <- how to do create multiple destinations ?
[17:15] <oerheks> samthewildone, you are anwered in ##linux
[17:15] <oerheks> malpkt, ask dell?
[17:15] <oerheks> i have no confirmation your fingerprint will work.
[17:16] <malpkt> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libfprint/libfprint/-/issues/183 - seems like there is a way
[17:17] <ioria> malpkt, already tried this ? http://dell.archive.canonical.com/updates/pool/public/libf/libfprint-2-tod1-goodix/
[17:18] <malpkt> no, i will take a look
[17:20] <oerheks> ioria, good spot!
[17:20] <oerheks> why did i not find this..
[17:20] <malpkt> this looks very promising. it contains the correct usb id
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> the famous dell repos
[17:21] <malpkt> i will make sure to document it if it works
[17:21] <malpkt> i wont be DenverCoder9
[17:41] <swensson> So, I've recently started to use screen, I did loose the connection and the screen -r does not work & prompts this: 1264.pts-0.myhostnamehere   (09/16/2020 03:48:19 PM)        (Attached) How can I jump into that screen? .O
[17:42] <leftyfb> swensson: screen -D -r
[17:42] <jozefk> I got KUbuntu 20.04 and sometimes, often, when I turn on the PC and try to play a video or audio file, the sound is stuttering. Is there a fix for that? It's driving me crazy to keep reabooting always. And now, even after reboot it's still there the same issue
[17:43] <swensson> ah, cheers leftyfb ! =)
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: wich video player are you using? is your sound and graphics driver loaded correctly?
[17:50] <swensson> how about two screens open?  1735.pts-1.myHostnamehere and  1264.pts-1.myHostnamehere
[17:51] <jozefk> lotuspsychje: I tried both VLC and MPV. I rather like to use MPV. Graphics must be loaded correctly. About sound drivers I don't know. How do I check that?
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: sudo lshw -C sound
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: some cases on nvidia drivers, sound can get affected too, might doublecheck too
[17:53] <jozefk> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dMdKrRgMC6/
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: ok seems loaded, what about your nvidia driver version? nvidia-smi
[17:54] <jozefk> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/832n6v9Xxp/
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: ok tnx, could you try a switch to 435 as a test please?
[17:55] <jozefk> 450 was installed automatically by CUDA
[17:55] <jozefk> How do I switch to 435?
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: lets see wich drivers are available for your card, ubuntu-drivers list
[17:57] <jozefk> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DRSB6X4nDG/
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: ok, so 435 is among them, you can try the switch
[17:59] <jozefk> is that done through cli or ?
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: you can choose, havent used kubuntu in a while, so not sure where they handle drivers GUI there
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: from apt, sudo apt install nvidia-driver-435 and reboot
[18:00] <jozefk> ok. I will try and see what happens
[18:00] <jozefk> cli is usually more simple to me
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: if it doesnt influence, we can try other steps
[18:01] <jozefk> that thing didn't work though: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HvR7npGgqQ/
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: do you have external ppa's added to your system?
[18:03] <jozefk> maybe if they got installed automatically somehow, like for Chrome, or Visual Studio Code. I don't know
[18:03] <jozefk> It could be that some where added when installing CUDA
[18:03] <jozefk> too
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: unmet dependencys often arise when external ppa's fight with apt sources
[18:05] <jozefk> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rpBvkV9swc/
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: i think the ubuntu drivers get mixed with your cuda repo
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: we can only advice to get your system as vanilla possible here, clean the external repos and fix your sound issue first
[18:08] <jozefk> then later I will have another issue, to install cuda and get it working :) but maybe I can't have both, who knows :)
[18:08] <malpkt> ioria: it worked. thank you so much
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: could you pastebin your dmesg plz?
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> malpkt: tnx for the feedback, interesting for us to know ioria oerheks
[18:09] <ioria> malpkt, good job
[18:10] <jozefk> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sdxSQmDFJw/
[18:11] <malpkt> ioria: i also found a PKGBUILD which automates this: libfprint-2-tod1-xps9300-bin
[18:12] <jozefk> by the way I use the sound from MoBo, not from GPU. anyway, maybe there is some conflict between them
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: there seem to be some errors about sound indeed, nd_hda_intel 0000:0a:00.4: No response from codec, disabling MSI: last cmd=0x0043a03e
[18:16] <jozefk> that's something to do with the sound on MoBo. Maybe GPU drivers aren't affecting that? or what could be the cause?
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> jozefk: i would still try the driver switch, ive seen more users in the past with those fixed by driver switch
[18:19] <jozefk> in that case I must forget about cuda I think. coz it's not going to work if I have nvidia drivers installed first and I try to install cuda
[18:20] <ax562> is there a way to check what version of intel firmware is loaded?
[18:30] <jozefk> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205229
[18:31] <jozefk> that seems related to my problem. if that error from dmesg is a right track. I don't have Intel CPU though
[18:45] <tomreyn> jozefk: before you try anything else, fix the vmware network driver problem.
[18:45] <tomreyn> (i didn't follow your chat, just looked at your dmesg)
[18:47] <jozefk> tomreyn: could that affect the sound issue?
[18:49] <tomreyn> jozefk: it taints the kernel, and it triggers an oops, could affect the kernel in many ways. this doesn't have to affect sound, but can.
[18:49] <tomreyn> alternatively just don't load those modules tainting the kernel and see whether you can still reproduce the audio problem
[18:50] <jozefk> is that done by modifying the grub or how do I do it?
[19:03] <bumblefuzz> how do I disable ipv6 on ubuntu system-wide?
[19:04] <daoumilseitek> hi
[19:04] <daoumilseitek> i have to install an ubuntu 16.04 for work
[19:04] <daoumilseitek> towards the end of install it seems ubiquity is removing every single package, one by one
[19:05] <daoumilseitek> (and i don't even know where from − install or live)
[19:05] <daoumilseitek> looks like a bug
[19:05] <daoumilseitek> anyone run into similar bug
[19:05] <daoumilseitek> it takes very long
[19:06] <daoumilseitek> it's a virtualbox install (for now) of 16.04.7 desktop
[19:14] <ToTheInternet> hello. i set up ubuntu with a GUI on AWS EC2 following the official documentation: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/ubuntu-desktop-aws#2-setting-up-tightvnc-on-aws I can connect to the instance but the resolution is tiny, and all the documentation about changing it talks about the "Activities" overview but i don't have that? how can i bring it up?
[19:14] <ToTheInternet> obv i don't usually use ubuntu so pls excuse the basic question. pressing my Windows key ("Super key") doesnt do anything
[19:14] <tomreyn> !blacklist | jozefk
[19:15] <osse> ToTheInternet: do you see button in the lower left with 3 by 3 squares?
[19:15] <tomreyn> alternatively add    modprobe.blacklist=MODULENAME   to the kernel command line
[19:15] <bumblefuzz> so, I've disabled ipv6 using /etc/sysctl.conf but 'ip -6 addr' still shows an ipv6 address... why??
[19:16] <ToTheInternet> osse: no. there is a button with a tool tip saying "Click here to hide all windows and show the desktop"
[19:16] <ToTheInternet> the button does exactly that
[19:16] <jozefk> tomreyn: I see I can blacklist modules with kmon too https://github.com/orhun/kmon#blacklisting-a-module
[19:17] <jozefk> just not sure how do I unblacklist them later :)
[19:17] <jozefk> Or maybe I should better fix the vmware network card driver issue instead
[19:20] <bumblefuzz> can someone explain how 'cat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6' outputs 1
[19:20] <bumblefuzz> and how 'ip -6 addr' outputs an ipv6 address?
[19:21] <ToTheInternet> osse: this is what the desktop looks like https://ibb.co/tbz1dB7
[19:21] <techied> hey, I'm trying to enable livepatch on my server. I did `sudo snap install canonical-livepatch` which appears to have worked correctly (canonical-livepatch 9.5.5 from Canonical✓ installed) but when I run `sudo canonical-livepatch enable 820---` it just hangs until i ctrl+c
[19:22] <osse> ToTheInternet: very interesting. that looks like an older ubuntu
[19:22] <ToTheInternet> i think it's gnome maybe
[19:22] <ToTheInternet> i mean i did do:  sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop
[19:23] <oerheks> techied, what is the use for `sudo canonical-livepatch enable 820---`???
[19:23] <techied> what do you mean?
[19:23] <oerheks> installing the snap makes it start automaticly
[19:23] <techied> no, you need to enable it with the livepatch token according to https://auth.livepatch.canonical.com and https://ubuntu.com/security/livepatch
[19:23] <ToTheInternet> maybe i'm missing some packages that i need to install to get the "normal" ubuntu gui?
[19:24] <techied> i did it on another system (my laptop) and it worked fine with this method
[19:26] <oerheks> wait,  820--- is your token?
[19:26] <techied> well i redacted the rest
[19:26] <techied> it starts with 820
[19:26] <oerheks> i see, i wondered about that number
[19:27] <techied> finally got a message back: `2020/09/16 21:26:20 error executing enable: cannot enable machine: bad temporary server status 500 (URL: https://livepatch.canonical.com/api/machine-tokens) server response: machine token already exists`
[19:29] <jozefk> I think I will try to install new VMWare Player version and see what happens
[19:29] <oerheks> check your ubuntu one account, i guess, to see if you can enable your server, maybe there are 3 attempts already?
[19:29] <bumblefuzz> does anyone know how I'm still getting an ipv6 address in ubuntu when I've "disabled" ipv6 via sysctl.conf?
[19:31] <oerheks> isn't sysctl the old way? you can disable ipv6 in your networkmanager easily.
[19:31] <jozefk> will be back after reboot and test
[19:32] <oerheks> sae would be in grub; GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="ipv6.disable=1"
[19:32] <techied> oerheks: thanks, turned out to be the machine's  UUID; https://askubuntu.com/questions/1264961/
[19:33] <bumblefuzz> sorry this is ubuntu server
[19:33] <bumblefuzz> I don't have a desktop
[19:37] <jozefk> after installing the new version of VMWare Player, and reboot, sound is back. I'm not sure now if that fixed the problem or it's just working randomly :)
[19:38] <jozefk> maybe the dmesg can tell?
[19:38] <jozefk> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8vzF578DJG/
[19:39] <TR2990WX> hi, right after the installation on my laptop I see a nice logo when the laptop startup. Then I installed a newer mainline kernel and the logo disappeared and the boot process show a few warnings/errors. Is there a way to bring back the nice logo ?
[19:41] <ToTheInternet> is there any way how i can bring up the thing that the Action key brings up? without using the Action key?
[19:41] <ToTheInternet> because its not working. i installed the ubuntu-desktop package on a fresh ubuntu 18 install
[19:42] <ToTheInternet> and pressing the windows key doesn't do anything.
[19:44] <daoumilseitek> FTR my bad ; it appears to be a normal part of install
[19:46] <ikonia> doesn't a fresh ubuntu 18 install come wuth ubuntu-desktop already installed ?
[19:49] <oerheks> ikonia, yes?
[19:49] <ikonia> so why would ToTheInternet need to install ubuntu-desktop package on a clean ubuntu '18' install
[19:49] <oerheks> bumhow did you control networking on your server? not worthy to mention in your 1st question?
[19:50] <oerheks> oh
[19:50] <oerheks> ikonia, no idea, some want to make it a trivia channel
[20:24] <shurdeek> I'm wondering what software is used to generate the images at https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/ . I need to use a modified image, as I want to use NFS root and the published images don't have the kernel module for my network card (RTL8111). I thought it uses vmbuilder but that's obsolete.
[20:45] <oerheks> shurdeek, all you need is the backport-iwlwifi-dkms package
[20:45] <oerheks> !info backport-iwlwifi-dkms
[20:46] <oerheks> for normal iso's one could use cubic, why would a cloud image need this wireless package?
[20:50] <jeremy31> The RTL8111 should be supported by the r8169 kernel module in the Ubuntu kernels
[20:51] <shurdeek> thank you for the information, however, that doesn't really solve my problem
[20:51] <shurdeek> I boot the cloud images over PXE.
[20:52] <shurdeek> I could probably manually modify the image to add the module, but I want a clean solution rather than a hack.
[20:52] <oerheks> so, why can't you add that driver to the image?
[20:53] <shurdeek> I probably could, but I want a proper way to do that, instead of doing it manually.
[20:54] <shurdeek> I could mount the image, add the module, regenrate initramfs and save everything. But there has to be a more normal way to do this.
[20:54] <jeremy31> The r8169 driver is part of linux-modules-extra, so that must not be part of the image
[20:55] <shurdeek> do you know if there is a more standardised approach than modifying the image manually? I can't find any documentation on how these images are created in the first place
[20:55] <shurdeek> they used to be created by vmbuilder, but that's now obsolete and I haven't found any info on what replaced it
[20:57] <shurdeek> hmm maybe if I used a different prebuilt kernel....
[21:06] <arktvrvs> boon2
[21:23] <abyssangel> hello
[21:52] <rr123> was increasing confused by ubuntu dns, in NetworkManager I set manual DNS to a invalid address, turn interface off/on to make it take effect, systemd-resolve --status showed this DNS's IP(though unreachable), however I can still surf, nslookup reports it gets from <IP_ADDRESS>, what the hack is that, and where does it got IP from?
[21:54] <rr123> is i do: nslookup invalidwhatever.com, it says ""server cn't find invalidwhatever.com: NXDOMAIN", so it seems there is a local cache for all hostnames I have tried
[21:54] <rr123> sudo systemd-resolve --flush-caches does not help either
[21:55] <rr123> systemd already made linux bad enough, ubuntu's netowrk changes made it even more difficult
[21:56] <leftyfb> rr123: use nm-connection-editor
[21:56] <xtao> <IP_ADDRESS> is systemd-resolved , and i believe it has a hardcoded fallback in the case of no DNS servers working where it goes to <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, and <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:56] <leftyfb> and under "Method" pick "Automatic(DHCP) addresses only"
[21:57] <rr123> xtao: i hate that hard-code thing, because of it i could not debug pihole
[21:57] <leftyfb> xtao: that is incorrect. <IP_ADDRESS> is pointing to localhost which runs a DNS caching daemon and then goes out to your configured DNS. There is no valid default namesever
[21:58] <leftyfb> rr123: setting a manual DNS entry in the NM for the latest Ubuntu versions doesn't do anything unless you also set the entire profile to manual
[21:59] <rr123> i mean, let me just change /etc/resolv.conf and be done with it if I need override whatever is hidden, systemd/ubuntu wasted me half of day debugging while in the old days, it should take less then 5 seconds
[21:59] <rr123> leftyfb: how to set the entire profile to manual
[22:00] <leftyfb> rr123: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-configure-static-ip-address-on-ubuntu-18-10-cosmic-cuttlefish-linux
[22:00] <rr123> all I want is to just manually designate a DNS, for god sake
[22:00] <leftyfb> rr123: I've given you 2 options
[22:01] <rr123> sometimes i feel ubuntu is getting worse than windows, unnecessarily complex
[22:01] <leftyfb> rr123: this is a support channel. Please following along with troubleshooting. Keep all rants in #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:02] <leftyfb> rr123: and to clarify, the issues you're experiencing are with the Gnome project, not Ubuntu.
[22:02] <rr123> leftyfb: in the half day I already tried those, does not work for me
[22:02] <xtao> well it's not incorrect is it. a process called systemd-resolved is listening on <IP_ADDRESS>:53 as a stub resolver. you can see that with sudo fuser 53/udp and then sudo ls -l /proc/<pid>exe
[22:02] <leftyfb> xtao: yes, that is a caching daemon
[22:03] <rr123> will systemd-resolve --flush-cache clean that caching daemon?
[22:04] <leftyfb> rr123: it doesn't cache which nameserver you have configured. It caches DNS queries
[22:05] <rr123> nslookup google.com output first line is always <IP_ADDRESS>, never saw anything with DNS server
[22:05] <rr123> so it always goes to local cache first
[22:06] <leftyfb> yes
[22:06] <rr123> which means my tcpdump port 53 can not catch anything?
[22:06] <rr123> but i can see tcpdump port 53 on the gateway
[22:09] <rr123> so I tried to change /etc/resolv.conf to <IP_ADDRESS> which is invalid, nslookup still happily reports right IP address, some hidden code somewhere still
[22:10] <rr123> actually whatever is in /etc/resolv.conf does not matter, on the gateway tcpdump reports <IP_ADDRESS> is responding with DNS replies
[22:12] <rr123> i delete /etc/resolv.conf that does stop nslookup
[22:12] <rr123> the problem with systemd is that, if there is an issue, nobody knows how to debug and fix
[22:54] <sine0> how do you get the version number of a software in apt-chace
[22:54] <sine0> cache even
[22:57] <hggdh> sine0: apt-cache policy
[22:59] <Bashing-om> sine0: ?? 'apt-cache show <package>' shows the version. "apt-cache show mousepad >> Version: 0.4.2-1". Maybe I do not understand your intent ?
[23:03] <sine0> show worked, thanks
[23:03] <Bashing-om> sine0: \o/


[20:21] <nuclearbob> balloons: I'm looking at creating definitions for the ubiquity jobs in jenkins-job-builder so we can move some of them to the new production infrastructure. This should also make them easy for anyone to deploy. I'm interested in possibly making changes to the way the jobs are setup if you or other community members would like to discuss that
[23:09] <balloons> nice nuclearbob


[12:05] <soundray> My whole family are deeply invested in Linux software. That laptop still has Windows because it came with it, but it's never used. I'll reclaim the disk space from it soon ;)
[12:05] <abom> hehehe
[12:06] <abom> did she have the same nic as me with a laptop? I have a belkin f5d7000 I think
[12:06] <soundray> abom: okay, anyway, I think you're nearly there.
[12:06] <abom> but we haven't made any progress at all, lol :o
[12:06] <soundray> No, the manufacturer is different, but the chipset is the same.
[12:06] <abom> o ok, hrm
[12:07] <soundray> abom: yes, we have. All that's left to do is to finish off disabling NetworkManager/nm-applet and reboot. Don't forget to disable it in Startup programs.
[12:07] <abom> so I disable it and try to disable "roaming mode" right? and do automatic dhcp?
[12:08] <soundray> Yes, yes and yes.
[12:08] <abom> where do I disable the nm-applet?
[12:08] <soundray> System-Preferences-Session, then on the Startup programs tab
[12:09] <abom> ok, I unchecked it anything else before I reboot?
[12:09] <soundray> When you've done that, could you do a 'cat /etc/network/interfaces' and paste the output here if it's not too much
[12:10] <abom> # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
[12:10] <abom> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
[12:10] <abom> # The loopback network interface
[12:10] <abom> auto lo
[12:10] <abom> iface lo inet loopback
[12:11] <soundray> Is that all? No 'iface ra0 ...'?
[12:11] <abom> it's not too much, like I said before, I really do appreciate all the help... I just don't entirely see the point, so much trial and error
[12:12] <soundray> abom: man, I've wasted hours on this. You're just reaping the fruit ;)
[12:12] <abom> one sec, lemme run it again with the "disable roaming mode" checked
[12:12] <abom> :D
[12:13] <abom> yea, in my network settings, my wireless is unchecked, do I need to check my wireless for that command to show ra0?
[12:13] <soundray> Yes
[12:13] <abom> k
[12:14] <abom> k, I think I;m back
[12:14] <abom> # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
[12:14] <abom> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
[12:14] <abom> # The loopback network interface
[12:14] <abom> auto lo
[12:14] <abom> iface lo inet loopback
[12:14] <abom> iface ra0 inet dhcp
[12:14] <abom> wireless-essid linksys
[12:14] <abom> auto ra0
[12:14] <soundray> Looks very good.
[12:14] <abom> k, now restart?
[12:14] <soundray> If you reboot now, and it doesn't connect, I'll conced defeat.]
[12:15] <soundray> *concede
[12:15] <abom> lol, :D ok, I'll keep my fingers crossed
[12:19] <Abom> no go :/
[12:19] <Abom> I did an iwlist scan and iwconfig and copied it though
[12:20] <Abom> while my wireless wasn't working that is
[12:20] <Abom> abom@ubuntu:~$ iwlist scan
[12:20] <Abom> lo        Interface doesn't support scanning.
[12:20] <Abom> eth0      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[12:20] <Abom> ra0       Scan completed :
[12:20] <Abom>           Cell 01 - Address: 00:18:39:63:E2:45
[12:20] <Abom>                     ESSID:"linksys"
[12:20] <Abom>                     Mode:Managed
[12:20] <Abom>                     Channel:6
[12:20] <Abom>                     Encryption key:off
[12:20] <Abom>                     Quality:100/100  Signal level:-27 dBm  Noise level:-256 dBm
[12:20] <Abom> abom@ubuntu:~$ iwconfig
[12:20] <Abom> lo        no wireless extensions.
[12:20] <Abom> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[12:20] <Abom> ra0       RT61 Wireless  ESSID:"linksys"  Nickname:""
[12:21] <Abom>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437 GHz  Access Point: 00:18:39:63:E2:45
[12:21] <Abom>           Bit Rate=54 Mb/s
[12:21] <Abom>           RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[12:21] <Abom>           Link Quality=100/100  Signal level:-32 dBm  Noise level:-79 dBm
[12:21] <Abom>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[12:21] <Abom>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[12:21] <Abom> soundray: I saw all that invalid stuff at the bottom and thought, maybe that's a sign of what the problem is, I dunno
[12:22] <soundray> Those counts are all zero, though, which indicates absence of such problems
[12:22] <Abom> o heheheheh, damn :/
[12:22] <Abom> is there any hope to get online with linux at all? or do I have to wait another year for another version to come out to try that?
[12:22] <soundray> The only software difference between my wife's system and yours right now is that my wife has the updated driver module.
[12:23] <Abom> o ok so that's the thing you were saying at first
[12:23] <soundray> Are you on i386 or amd64?
[12:23] <Abom> amd64
[12:23] <soundray> Oh, excellent.
[12:23] <Abom> should I do i386?
[12:24] <soundray> In that case, if you thought it worth the bother, you could try my compiled module.
[12:24] <Abom> I'd rather try that than just give up :o
[12:24] <soundray> My wife's system is 7.04 amd64 as well, so the module should be compatible and you can just drop it in to replace your current one.
[12:25] <Abom> o cool, do I need to reboot or shut down my rt61 module?
[12:25] <soundray> No
[12:25] <Abom> o sweet, send it on ova :D
[12:26] <soundray> Do you want to give me an email address to send it to? Would be easier, since it's on another machine
[12:26] <Abom> k<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:26] <Abom> thanks again too, sorry for being so crabby about it not working :)
[12:27] <soundray> Believe me, I was reduced to swearwords at more than one point during this episode ;)
[12:27] <soundray> So I know what it's like.
[12:28] <soundray> I'll send it as an attachment with instructions.
[12:28] <Abom> lol, its good to hear that it's not just me with issues :o
[12:28] <Abom> awesome, thanks again
[12:29] <soundray> No problem, I'm logging off now. Please send me an email reply to say if it worked.
[12:29] <Abom> definitely :)
[12:29] <soundray> Cheers
[12:44] <nealmcb> nalioth: I updated the schedule at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom   a little bit
[12:45] <nealmcb> still curious about ways to automate updating of the ical page....
[12:45] <nalioth> nealmcb: thanks, and i have no idea who did the ical page at the time
[01:03] <nealmcb> nalioth: Thanks.  I think better calendar/wiki integration would be a great thing for ubuntu and launchpad.  I wish the fridge event calendar included Ubuntu Open Week....
[02:26] <Abom> I know this is a stupid question, but where do I find the equivelant to c:\program files in linux?
[02:26] <Abom> I wanna install a skin on xmms, but can't find where to put it :o
[02:27] <Abom> btw, for anyone still here from before, soundray fixed my network card not working
[02:36] <Abom> I still dunno where to put this skin =/
[02:37] <Abom> omg, there's an xmms channel, sorry, I'm a noob :o
[02:38] <boss> Hello all.
[02:38] <boss> I have a feeling something is wrong with my ks.cfg. My post-installation script doesn't work. Could someone help me debug it please?
[04:19] <boss> Is performance the only downside to using software RAID?
[01:48] <xyz_beginne1> hi ... I am an ubuntu beginner.  Need help for screen size issue
[02:03] <jrib> xyz_beginne1: hi
[02:50] <boom> hello
[03:17] <jikanter> hey, is their an authoritative source for documentation on typical changes made to the debian python policy for ubuntu (if there are any)?
[03:27] <jrib> jikanter: #ubuntu-motu is probably a better place to ask
[03:42] <jikanter> jrib: thanks
[09:13] <Delco2> hi, any ubuntu guru's in the house?


[11:33] <sonu_nk> hi pavlushka
[11:33] <sonu_nk> how are you bro
[11:34] <sonu_nk> belated HP BD
[11:34] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: Hello, I am good :)
[11:34] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: and you?
[11:35] <sonu_nk> m also goood.
[11:35] <sonu_nk> belated happy birthday bro
[11:35] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: thanks :)
[11:35] <sonu_nk> pavlushka, i want to upgrade 14 to 16 ubuntu
[11:35] <sonu_nk> should i do or now?
[11:35] <sonu_nk> *not ?
[11:36] <sonu_nk> my desktop have ubuntu 14 installed
[11:36] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: 16.04 is better to my opinion but you should backup your /home folder first :)
[11:37] <pavlushka> s/to/in
[11:37] <u-la-la> pavlushka meant to say: sonu_nk: 16.04 is better in my opinion but you should backup your /home folder first :)
[11:37] <sonu_nk> ok..
[11:37] <sonu_nk> there is nothing special in /home ..
[11:37] <sonu_nk> i can resinstall
[11:38] <sonu_nk> command ?
[11:38] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: yes you can, its upto you :)
[11:38] <sonu_nk> comand to upgrade ?
[11:39] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: "do-release-upgrade"
[11:40] <sonu_nk> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[11:40] <sonu_nk> No new release found
[11:40] <sonu_nk> hehehe
[11:41] <sonu_nk> pavlushka, ^
[11:42] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: noticed that, give me a second
[11:43] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[11:43] <u-la-la> [ How To Upgrade to Ubuntu 16.04 LTS | DigitalOcean ] - https://www.digitalocean.com
[11:44] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: and take notes from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes
[11:44] <u-la-la> [ XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:44] <sonu_nk> pavlushka, upgrading will effect on my other disk >
[11:44] <sonu_nk> part ?
[11:45] <pavlushka> sonu_nk: nope


[03:18] <inkynoob> virtualroadside: Are you running UME on an eeePC by chance?
[03:18] <virtualroadside> no
[03:19] <virtualroadside> its a (relatively) normal PC
[03:19] <virtualroadside> just has a 7in touchscreen
[03:19] <virtualroadside> carputer :)
[03:19] <inkynoob> I see...nice
[03:19] <virtualroadside> http://www.virtualroadside.com/carputer/
[03:19] <virtualroadside> er
[03:20] <virtualroadside> http://www.virtualroadside.com/carputer/pictures.html
[03:20] <inkynoob> I'm adding a touchscreen to my eee as soon as it gets here from Taiwn, it's also got a 7inch screen
[03:20] <virtualroadside> ah, nice
[03:20] <virtualroadside> yeah, im liking UME so far... cept for this latest missing-icons bug
[03:21] <inkynoob> I hadn't installed it ever before, so when nothing came up I wondered if I'd missed a step or a program or something
[03:23] <virtualroadside> yeah, its the first really annoying bug i've found so far
[03:23] <virtualroadside> granted, there are a ton of bugs, but the first really annoying one
[03:25] <inkynoob> From what I understand of the bug report, this is an actual problem with hildon-desktop, not just a configuration issue, is that right?
[03:26] <virtualroadside> yeah
[03:26] <virtualroadside> the daily build does it too
[03:26] <virtualroadside> when i run hildon-desktop in a terminal, it complains that it cannot load libmobilehome.so
[03:26] <virtualroadside> so.. yeah
[03:26] <virtualroadside> that sounds important
[03:26] <virtualroadside> hm
[03:26] <virtualroadside> that gives me a thought
[03:26] <virtualroadside> one sec
[03:30] <virtualroadside> damn
[03:30] <virtualroadside> well
[03:30] <virtualroadside> the file exists, so thats not it
[03:32] <virtualroadside> but, that seems to be the problem, whatever the problem happens to be
[03:32] <inkynoob> Your carputer looks sharp, by the way. That gives me another project to look forward to...when we get a car worth modding :-)
[03:32] <virtualroadside> tnx
[03:33] <virtualroadside> sadly, haven't had it in the car for awhile.. due to software issues
[03:33] <virtualroadside> but, with UME, im hoping to get it back in there soonish
[03:33] <virtualroadside> just gotta get the GPS software working better
[03:33] <inkynoob> I'm going to try this in just a sec, but something as simple as LD_LIBRARY_DIR probably won't help hildon-desktop find the lib, will it? Or maybe wrong permissions on the .so file?
[03:33] <virtualroadside> nah, like i said, the file exists
[03:34] <virtualroadside> im not really sure why it can't load t
[03:55] <virtualroadside> i think its a bug actually in mobile-basic-flash
[03:55] <virtualroadside> i still dont know why though
[03:55] <virtualroadside> i dont think it implements the right plugin interface
[03:55] <virtualroadside> i have a feeling someone changed around the interfaces, and didn't update *both* hildon-desktop and mobile-basic-flash
[06:06] <inkynoob> virtualroadside: I might be making some progress.  I ran ldd on libmobilehome.so and there were some libraries it was looking for that it couldn't find. They were actually installed already, so I linked them in /usr/lib, and now I'm getting a segfault from hildon-desktop.
[06:06] <virtualroadside> woo!
[06:06] <virtualroadside> i haven't touched it.. been working on other stuff
[06:08] <virtualroadside> what libraries?
[06:09] <inkynoob> libxul and libsqlite3
[06:09] <virtualroadside> ah
[06:09] <inkynoob> Xulrunner just got version bumped recently I think, maybe it's related
[06:09] <virtualroadside> could be
[06:10] <inkynoob> Do you know what package provides libmobilebasichome.so? It doesn't seem to have debug symbols in it
[06:10] <virtualroadside> yeah, i know
[06:10] <virtualroadside> its mobile-basic-flash
[06:10] <virtualroadside> fyi... you can do dpkg -S <filename> to find out too
[06:10] <inkynoob> ah, forgot about that
[06:11] <inkynoob> There doesn't seem to be a debug version of that package available :-(
[06:11] <virtualroadside> nope, theres not
[06:11] <virtualroadside> is that where it segfaults at?
[06:12] <virtualroadside> i built mine earlier with -g -ggdb ... so i have the symbols installed for that
[06:12] <inkynoob> I'm not terribly good with gdb, but it's either there or in libxul I think
[06:13] <virtualroadside> so all you did was ln -s the libs into usr/lib?
[06:13] <inkynoob> yeah, although the sqlite ones weren't installed. I installed one of the sqlite dev packages and that took care of it
[06:13] <inkynoob> well, of that one
[06:14] <inkynoob> I can't remember exactly what I did, but I dumped my shell history to a file to go over more carefully tomorrow
[06:15] <inkynoob> bad practice...I know :-(
[06:17] <virtualroadside> ah, the sql library is in the xulrunner directory
[06:17] <virtualroadside> as is libxul.so
[06:24] <inkynoob> well, more of this tomorrow I suppose. Have a good night.
[06:25] <virtualroadside> mmk, nite
[06:25] <virtualroadside> i got the segfault
[06:29] <virtualroadside> aha, you're right.. xul is the culprit
[06:35] <virtualroadside> i'll build xul with debug symbols, and see what happens
[18:23] <rhyhann> Hello
[18:24] <rhyhann> I want to buy a ubuntu mobile compliant device
[18:24] <rhyhann> Is there any slim one ?
[19:48] <Hula> Hi there - I'm having trouble launching some apps in my newly created UM. Galculator and Firefox launches fine, but all other apps fail with "we could not read lowmem stats"
[19:48] <Hula> I have not altered anything in the environment so it should be vanilla.
[21:32] <inkynoob> virtualroadside: Do you know what the next step is in getting this no icons bug resolved?
[21:33] <virtualroadside> honestly, im not sure... probably need to attract some attention from someone. libxul is rather complex
[21:33] <virtualroadside> but im pretty sure thats why things are borked
[21:34] <inkynoob> Do you think the problem is libxul, or do you think a bad value is being passed into whatever is being called in libxul?
[21:34] <virtualroadside> i would imagine the second
[21:35] <virtualroadside> but, i dunno
[21:35] <virtualroadside> i tried building with symbols
[21:36] <virtualroadside> however, that didn't work so well
[21:36] <virtualroadside> since apparently it strips them
[21:36] <virtualroadside> lol
[21:36] <inkynoob> I saw that, and was going to look into if there is a way to keep them in
[21:36] <inkynoob> I also upgraded Xulrunner to the nightly build, but the situation is the same
[21:38] <virtualroadside> that reminds me: i was grepping for that..
[21:38] <virtualroadside> its in toolkit/mozapps/installer/packager.mk
[21:39] <virtualroadside> *reinstalling again*
[21:43] <virtualroadside> btw
[21:43] <virtualroadside> a shortcut to doing the ln -s stuff for the libraries
[21:43] <virtualroadside> LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9b5" gdb hildon-desktop
[21:45] <virtualroadside> heh, after commenting out the stripping stuff its really borked ;)
[21:45] <virtualroadside> aha!
[21:46] <virtualroadside> #0  0xae157348 in EmbedPrivate::Realize (this=0x855b5b0, aAlreadyRealized=0xbf81d018) at EmbedPrivate.cpp:293
[21:46] <inkynoob> I'm glad that's an 'aha!' for you :-)
[21:47] <virtualroadside> well, it just means theres a code location :)
[21:47] <inkynoob> EmbedPrivate.cpp, is that XUL stuff?
[21:47] <virtualroadside> yep
[21:47] <virtualroadside> no idea how to fix it, of course
[21:52] <virtualroadside> mozilla/embedding/browser/gtk/src/EmbedPrivate.cpp to be more exact
[22:06] <x-Dieu> runs UME on a HTC Prohet?
[22:07] <virtualroadside> ?
[22:10] <x-Dieu> prophet, is a TI Omap 850 cpu with 200 mhz, 128 MB ROM and 64 MB (SDRAM), the HTC Prophet is a smartphone
[22:10] <virtualroadside> ah
[22:10] <virtualroadside> i think UME is a little too heavy for that
[22:10] <x-Dieu> ok :/
[22:11] <virtualroadside> but the final version might not be
[22:11] <virtualroadside> and at the moment, they only have builds for x86 compatible chips, AFAIK
[22:12] <x-Dieu> yes, but not a i386 cpu in the htc prophet
[22:16] <x-Dieu> there are tesing release available for smartphones?
[22:17] <virtualroadside> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[22:18] <x-Dieu> ok, I read this, thanks a lot virtualroadside


[06:51] <newbie007> hi, I'm just starting with ldtp, can someone tell me how to find the labels? I'm trying to automate something in gimp. How can I determine the string I need for the button? Is there something like spy++ ?
[07:03]  * newbie007 maybe appmap..
[22:23] <jmv__> Hi  I can't find the Natty updates history , that is :  see which packages were updated when.
[22:25] <jmv__> either on my machine or on Internet ...


[10:57] <jamespage> icey: hey
[10:57] <jamespage> what's the rationale for adding the version suffix to the luarocks rocks- subdirectory in your patch?
[10:58] <jamespage> the conditional that's wrapped in lacks the -5.1
[10:59] <icey> jamespage: ah - should have added it to the conditional as well; the version suffix is because that's what's added to the `--tree` path
[11:45] <jamespage> icey: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SbMR3tBSBF/
[11:46] <icey> jamespage: lgtm
[13:06] <icey> jamespage: I'm seeing errors like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on ceph as well
[14:05] <jamespage> icey: uploaded
[14:05] <jamespage> (luarocks)
[14:05] <icey> jamespage: \o/
[14:27] <jamespage> icey: pls can you submit those changes back to debian as well :)
[14:38] <icey> jamespage: did a report2debian :-D
[18:55] <smoser> rbasak: swtpm import please ?
[19:01] <smoser> and libtpms
[22:13] <Zaliek> Somehow one of my server's time is not NTP syncronized and the time has drifted enough that TOTP doesn't work anymore
[22:13] <Zaliek> How do I force a time sync from the terminal?
[22:16] <Zaliek> Oddly the RTC clock is the correct time
[22:18] <Edgan> Zaliek: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get -y install ntpdate ; sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org
[22:18] <Zaliek> It seems systemd-timesyncd is supposed to be doing this
[22:18] <Zaliek> I tried restarting the service but it still won't update the time
[22:19] <Edgan> Zaliek: system status systemd-timesyncd ; journalctl -u systemd-timesyncd.service -f
[22:20] <Zaliek> Nothing in there, just the service started/stopped messages
[22:21] <rfm_> Zaliek, what does "timedatectl timesync-status" say?
[22:22] <Zaliek> Not a valid command
[22:22] <Zaliek> status says NTP syncronized: no
[22:23] <Zaliek> Network time on: yes
[22:23] <JanC> it might not change time if the difference is too large
[22:24] <JanC> ntpdate should do that though
[22:27] <Zaliek> it's 2 minutes
[22:28] <tomreyn> i think there are some commented out options in the timesyncd configuration file you can use to get more verbose info.
[22:28] <tomreyn> that's /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf
[22:29] <tomreyn> hmm no, nothing about verbosity
[22:29] <Zaliek> This system is 16.04 if that makes a difference
[22:30] <Zaliek> Honestly surprised it took this long for the clock to drift by 2 mins
[22:30] <tomreyn> oh 16.04, do you have ESM then?
[22:30] <Zaliek> Yeah, but no actual support
[22:30] <Zaliek> Just the free ESM
[22:31] <tomreyn> hmm, i think 16.04 only used a smaller subset of sytemd services
[22:31] <Zaliek> It's being replaced soon but I can't login to the app it's hosting because the clock has drifted
[22:31] <tomreyn> i don't remember whether it already did timesyncd
[22:31] <Zaliek> Yeah it's using the systemd service
[22:32] <Zaliek> All of the old ntp tools are not installed
[22:32] <tomreyn> you could override the ntp server it's synching to in the configuration file, then restart the service, wait 5 minutes and see whether it caught up.
[22:33] <tomreyn> if not, i'd disable timesyncd and use a different ntp client, such as chrony
[22:36] <JanC> also, for a quick workaround you can set the time manually, of course...
[22:36] <Zaliek> I figured it out...
[22:36] <Zaliek> I never allowed NTP through the firewall
[22:36] <Zaliek> :facepalm"
[22:36] <JanC> hehe
[22:38] <Zaliek> Thanks for your help. Gonna need to do the same for my other servers
[22:38] <Zaliek> Luckily I never setup TOTP with SSH on this one
[22:38] <tomreyn> you just lost an excuse to not upgrade just yet ;-P
[22:39] <Zaliek> Well it still needs to because I need a newer version of PHP
[22:41] <JanC> I have the other problem: I need a 16.04 system because I need an older PHP version...  :-/
[22:45] <tomreyn> i assume you know about https://deb.sury.org/
[22:47] <JanC> I did not
[22:47] <tomreyn> that's debian developer ondřej surý providing co-installable php versions for several debian + ubuntu releases
[22:47] <JanC> could be useful, I guess  :)
[22:48] <tomreyn> those can break release upgrades, of course, so be careful about that
[22:49] <JanC> I want to get rid of that website though, so maybe not going to use it for this
[22:51] <tomreyn> this, too, can't prevent the inevitable or provide full security support for bugs in software long EOL'd upstream.
[22:52] <JanC> supposedly PHP 5.x is still supported upstream?
[22:53] <JanC> apparently not, although that repository says it only has supported versions?
[22:55] <JanC> (it clearly does have EOL versions)
[22:56] <tomreyn> i think he means to say he does provide support for them
[22:56] <JanC> """Only Supported Versions of PHP (http://php.net/supported-versions.php) for Supported Ubuntu Releases (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases) are provided."""
[22:56] <tomreyn> oh, that seems to be misleading, yes
[22:59] <tomreyn> https://www.patreon.com/posts/may-2021-update-50798437
[23:07] <Zaliek> Odd, apparently LXD containers keep their time in sync with the host via some other mechanism than NTP
[23:16] <tomreyn> cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/*/current_clocksource  # https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/timers/timekeeping.txt
[23:22] <sarnold> perhaps by the expedient of not having virtualized clocks?
[23:23] <rfm_> LXD containers (as oppsed to LXD VMs) use the host kernel  instance, no?  So it's lierally the same clock
[23:25] <rfm_> Which is why systemd-timesyncd.service has "ConditionVirtualization=!container"


[06:59] <RAOF> You know, it's probably time to push intel 2.19.
[06:59] <mlankhorst> do ittt
[06:59] <RAOF> Occasionally losing all text rendering is getting annoying.
[07:00] <RAOF> (Which ahs the corollary: don't expect me to reply to anything untill I've rebooted ?)
[07:00] <tjaalton> on what hw do you get that?
[07:00] <tjaalton> or is in on quantal only?
[07:01] <tjaalton> btw, should we try to get mesa 8.0.3 as SRU?
[07:01] <tjaalton> i know proposed has one patch backported
[07:33] <bryceh> would be nice, although pitti would typically reject it unless each change had an associated ubuntu bug #.  But now that RAOF is on SRUs maybe he'll be more allowing?
[07:34] <mlankhorst> sure lets sru full synaptics too :D
[07:34] <tjaalton> bryceh: there was a session about a more sane sru policy
[07:35] <tjaalton> that would allow bugfix releases
[07:35] <tjaalton> having a lp# for every change is insane
[07:36] <tjaalton> anyway, it should get in quantal first..
[07:36] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: what's the status of mesa 8.0.3?
[07:37] <tjaalton> i promised to sponsor it once it's ready
[07:45] <tjaalton> anyway, I'll 'test' the sru process with libwacom first :)
[07:46] <mlankhorst> bryceh/raof: Should we push synaptics-1.6 branch to quantal?
[07:46] <mlankhorst> so we can sru that
[07:46] <tjaalton> ask cnd what to do
[07:46] <mlankhorst> cnd: ^
[07:46] <tjaalton> there :)
[07:46] <mlankhorst> well i believe we should push it to quantal regardless
[07:47] <mlankhorst> i don't know if it gets picked up though
[07:48] <tjaalton> bryceh: btw, the status page still doesn't show quantal versions
[07:48] <bryceh> tjaalton, yes I was at the sane sru policy session; it did not address bugfix releases, that policy is unchanged afaict.
[07:49] <tjaalton> we'll see about that
[07:49] <tjaalton> :)
[07:49] <bryceh> tjaalton, hmm, it should be showing that by now.  on my todo list.
[07:52] <tjaalton> ok, thanks
[07:52] <tjaalton> lunch ->
[07:52] <bryceh> mlankhorst, seriously I've never been able to get a point release of any X package through the SRU police in the past, without itemized bug #'s per change.  I'm highly skeptical that this has changed, but you're welcome to try.
[07:52] <bryceh> (and if it has changed finally, well that's nice, but I'll be quite chagrined)
[07:53] <mlankhorst> bryceh: yeah it's just annoying that all the ones in that point release are bugfixes we want
[07:54] <mlankhorst> But I don't know if there are even bugs open for some of them, and the corruption one is so annoying that it has to be sru'd as soon as possible, I don't care how. :P
[07:55] <bryceh> mlankhorst, if there's any we can reproduce ourselves, those can be done.  We'd need to file bug reports ourselves and then "fix" them, and sru that.
[07:56] <mlankhorst> bryceh: yeah its annoying people file bugs and don't even bother verifying
[07:56] <bryceh> or, if there are upstream bug reports opened which we know should also affect ubuntu, those are sometimes acceptable
[07:56] <bryceh> mlankhorst, welcome to ubuntu-x :-)
[07:56] <mlankhorst> bryceh: oh and also fun some are not in upstream tracker but in redhat tracker O_O
[07:57] <bryceh> if there's changes that are obviously correct by code inspection, *sometimes* those are acceptable, but usually not by themselves; I've had luck sending them in with another fix that is more demonstrable
[08:01] <RAOF> We'd *really* like to reduce the number of SRUs that sit in -proposed indefinitely, languishing without testing.
[08:02] <mlankhorst> RAOF: Seems I can help airlied with his upstream work in some way after all. Helping him get some hacks removed. :-)
[08:02] <RAOF> :)
[08:02] <RAOF> One way we're attacking that is that we're enforcing the requirement for a test case; that makes it easier for someone to ensure it's tested.
[08:03] <bryceh> RAOF, can you confirm or deny that the SRU team has changed policies regarding bug fix releases (ala allowing mesa 8.0.3 without having bug# breakouts?)
[08:03] <mlankhorst> RAOF: I wonder how you want to do that with things like nouveau
[08:04] <RAOF> bryceh: There's been no policy change there, but a 8.0.3 SRU *may* be appropriate; GNOME apps get SRUd for their bugfix point releases.
[08:04] <RAOF> bryceh: They still need at least one tracking bug, though.
[08:05] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Obviously X SRUs have some testing problems - like the kernel, we've got fixes that can only be tested in very specific circumstances.
[08:06] <bryceh> RAOF, as I understand it, GNOME has a standing exception with regards to that; do you mean we could get a similar exception for X.org packages?
[08:06] <seb128> bryceh, there is no "wave bug fixes versions in" rules without going through the technical board to get an exception for the said source
[08:06] <seb128> bryceh, no we don't, the exception is for the feature freeze pre release
[08:07] <RAOF> bryceh: We could get such a standing exception, yes.
[08:07] <seb128> bryceh, SRUs need to be carefully checked and they are for GNOME, we need the rational, testcase, bugs attached, week in proposed, verification-done for all bugs, etc
[08:07] <mlankhorst> seb128: yeah but the problem with synaptics is there are currently a lot of different bugs that are all roughly the same..
[08:07] <mlankhorst> eg weird behavior after suspend fixes
[08:07] <mlankhorst> or different thing that can go wrong after disabling and re-enabling
[08:08] <seb128> mlankhorst, SRU team is not that strict, when it's hard to test (i.e random segfaults is a case for GNOME stuff), you write a "run that version for a week and make sure you don't notice a regression"
[08:09] <seb128> mlankhorst, if you get some users doing that and confirming there are no regression they let the SRU in on the basis it might fix the issue or not but in any case it doesn't make things worth
[08:09] <seb128> mlankhorst, we just need to know that people have been running the version and that it's behaving correctly to avoid breakages in -updates
[08:09] <RAOF> And if you think it'll fix a bunch of bugs you can upload an SRU with all those bugs in there; as long a reasonable proportion of them are verified fixed we can accept the whole SRU in.
[08:10] <mlankhorst> ah k :)
[08:10] <RAOF> I think we're also going to be getting some better stats via errors.ubuntu.com for SRUs, which might make things easier to justify.
[08:10] <RAOF> At least for crashes.
[08:11] <mlankhorst> we should ship 12.10 then, it reports no crashes :-)
[08:11] <seb128> RAOF, they stopped doing the "proportion is verified" it seems
[08:11] <seb128> RAOF, they want all green, where all green might just be the "no visible regression" for the ones that can't be verified
[08:11] <RAOF> seb128: I, at least, don't promote to -updates unless there's some verified fixes.
[08:12] <seb128> RAOF, others don't promote unless there is *all* verified fixes (or with a rational of why they are ok even if not verified)
[08:12] <bryceh> RAOF, so if we did an upload of a point release which has 20 git changes, and link to 2-3 bugs confirmed as fixed by it, that'd be sufficient?
[08:13] <seb128> bryceh, that's what we basically do for GNOME
[08:13] <seb128> i.e the recent gtk update
[08:13] <RAOF> bryceh: As long as the point release changes aren't OMGSCARY, yeah.
[08:13] <bryceh> seb128, and you say you don't need any special exception for that?
[08:13] <seb128> bryceh, no
[08:13] <bryceh> seb128, no you don't say that, or no you don't need an exception?
[08:13] <seb128> it just needs to be looking with it on a risk,benefit perspective
[08:14] <seb128> bryceh, sorry, we don't need any special exception
[08:14] <seb128> they just review things in the queue and evaluate if it's appropriate for a SRU based on the diff and the rational, regression potential etc
[08:14] <bryceh> hmm, interesting.  The times I've attempted it I always got push back that each and every change needed a bug # and separate verification
[08:15] <seb128> was that a long ago?
[08:15] <bryceh> to the point it was ridiculous to try to get bug fix point releases in
[08:15] <seb128> there was some pendulum swings there from too strict to not enough
[08:16] <bryceh> easier to just make a ppa with the new version and point bug reporters there.  (thus the x-updates ppa)
[08:16] <bryceh> ok, well maybe I experienced it during the too strict phase and gave up at that point
[08:16] <seb128> I think they are reasonable nowadays
[08:16] <seb128> you should try one again and see how it goes
[08:17] <mlankhorst> bryceh: oh it's going to be fun to get xrandr in, I think the lib and bin will need to be sru'd if parts of hybrid graphics land this cycle.
[08:18] <bryceh> seb128, yeah like I mentioned above, usually pitti was the only one reviewing my sru requests, and he seemed pretty consistently strict about it.  But now that others are participating in SRU review, perhaps its more reasonable in cases like these.
[08:22] <mlankhorst> but in any case I think synaptics could qualify as being pre-release. :P
[08:29] <mlankhorst> bryceh: Can you upload xserver-xorg-input-synaptics to quantal at least?
[08:37] <bryceh> mlankhorst, I am able to do that; are the necessary changes staged in git?
[08:38] <mlankhorst> Yes :)
[08:40] <bryceh> ok great
[08:41] <bryceh> mlankhorst, why are patches numbered from 201, rather than from 131?
[08:41] <bryceh> oh I see, they're to differentiate patches included in 1.6.2
[08:52] <bryceh> mlankhorst, upload sponsored for quantal.
[08:52] <mlankhorst> Thanks!
[13:32] <aquarius> bryceh, my bug of xorg snowcrashing (#1003333) seems to have resolved itself, but I don't know *what* resolved it. I don't really want to say "hey, it doesn't happen any more, lucky eh!" and that's it on the bug report, but I don't know what information to provide that would actually be useful to you.
[15:21] <tjaalton> heh, there was a post about the new sru process to u-d-a@ earlier today
[15:28] <tjaalton> no mention of stable point-releases
[15:39] <jussi> hrm, my xorg is eating cpu atm - any ways I could tell why?
[15:39] <jussi> (its at about 50-60 %)
[16:16] <jussi> guess you are all asleep today.
[16:17] <tjaalton> it's some app doing that
[17:01] <Sarvatt> best humble bundle ever http://www.humblebundle.com/
[17:01] <Sarvatt> woohoo for linux bastion!
[17:06] <Sarvatt> whoa its redeemable in the ubuntu software center
[17:50] <bryceh> aquarius, well, as there's not enough info to do diagnostics, if it's no longer reproducible just close the bug out.  you can always reopen if it comes back
[17:51] <aquarius> bryceh, ok, I shall do. Sorry I can't provide more useful info!
[18:14] <jussi> tjaalton: how do I find outh which app?
[18:47] <tjaalton> jussi: you could try xrestop
[18:55] <jussi> tjaalton: thanks, I found the culprit - a popup flash based advert that I hadnt noticed was open on another desktop...
[18:55] <jussi> flasah is evil, no doubt about it
[18:55] <jussi> flash even
[19:00] <tjaalton> yeah I could've guessed it was the browser.. :)
[21:21] <bryceh> tjaalton, package_status is pulling quantal info now
[21:22] <tjaalton> bryceh: cool, thanks