[07:33] <amithkk> Hey
[07:33] <amithkk> Andybody here?
[07:33] <amithkk> *Any
[07:34] <amithkk> *Anybody
[07:34] <amithkk> :P
[07:50] <eQuiNoX__> hey amithkk
[07:51] <amithkk> does anybody know how to cahnge your @ubuntu.com alias
[07:51] <amithkk> *change
[07:52] <eQuiNoX__> i'm not aware of how to do that, but i think the right place to ask that would be #ubuntu
[07:52] <pleia2> amithkk: change the address it forwards to?
[07:52] <amithkk> yep
[07:53] <amithkk> Oh, I got the naswer
[07:53] <pleia2> amithkk: it'll forward to your "preferred contact address" in launchpad
[07:53]  * amithkk http://askubuntu.com/a/103790/17722
[07:53] <pleia2> it'll take a few days to update though
[07:53] <pleia2> there you go
[07:53] <amithkk> pleia2: Why dont you hang out at AU :D
[07:53] <pleia2> I'm not in AU :)
[07:54] <amithkk> \o/ We have a great community :D
[07:54] <pleia2> it's midnight here in california, I fear I sleep during most of your awake time!
[07:54]  * pleia2 should get to sleep
[07:54] <amithkk> lol
[07:55] <amithkk> Its 13:24 or 1:24PM here
[07:55] <pleia2> yeah, still yesterday here ;)
[07:56] <amithkk> Why isnt the earth falt :P
[07:56] <amithkk> *flat
[14:02] <tumbleweed> !dmb-ping
[14:02] <micahg> o/
[14:02] <Laney> hello
[14:03] <tumbleweed> hrm, we retired persia, we should remove him from that
[14:03] <tumbleweed> anyway, the'll be other modifications soon...
[14:03] <MrChrisDruif> DMB ping?
[14:04] <tumbleweed> MrChrisDruif: developer membership board meeting starting as soon as we are quorate
[14:04]  * stgraber waves
[14:04] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, good luck with that tumbleweed (and the rest ofc)
[14:04] <Myrtti> I can change the factoid to what it should be
[14:05] <Myrtti> just remove per s ia, or replace with something else?
[14:06] <tumbleweed> Myrtti: just remove. But there'll be another modification real soon
[14:06] <tumbleweed> well, that's 4 of us, I guess we should start
[14:06] <Myrtti> that's not a problem
[14:07] <tumbleweed> #startmeeting Developer Memberhsip Board
[14:07] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 13 14:07:46 2012 UTC.  The chair is tumbleweed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:07] <tumbleweed> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[14:08] <tumbleweed> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:08] <tumbleweed> #subtopic cody-somerville to write some documentation on how to endorse someone
[14:09] <tumbleweed> I guess we are carrying this forward again?
[14:09]  * stgraber is quickly writing a testimonials for cyphermox ... bad /me ;)
[14:11] <stgraber> tumbleweed: yeah, just keep that one on the list
[14:12] <tumbleweed> righto
[14:12] <tumbleweed> #subtopic micahg to E-Mail TB to extend Laney's term 1yr
[14:12] <tumbleweed> IIRC that's all done
[14:12] <micahg> yep
[14:12] <tumbleweed> #subtopic tumbleweed to run the election to fill geser's seat
[14:13] <tumbleweed> well, that's pretty much finished
[14:13] <tumbleweed> the question is do we cheat and end it 8 hours early?
[14:13]  * tumbleweed should have announced the end date as being last night
[14:13] <Laney> when does geser's term end?
[14:14] <tumbleweed> today
[14:14] <Laney> then aye aye
[14:14] <tumbleweed> sorry, it already has
[14:15] <tumbleweed> in that case, here goes
[14:16] <tumbleweed> #link http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_ffe5b07a14f4161e
[14:16] <tumbleweed> the new DMB member is barry
[14:17] <tumbleweed> #subtopic tumbleweed to send mail requesting nominations for the open DMB seat
[14:17] <tumbleweed> obviously done
[14:18] <tumbleweed> #topic cyphermox's core-dev application
[14:18] <cyphermox> good morning.
[14:18] <stgraber> hey cyphermox
[14:18] <stgraber> DMB: If you loaded cyphermox's wiki page before the meeting, please refresh ;)
[14:21]  * tumbleweed just realises he was reviewing the action items from two meetings ago. stgraber: you owe us minutes
[14:22]  * tumbleweed thought something was fishy
[14:22] <stgraber> tumbleweed: yeah, I know I've not finished the paperwork. The Agenda is correct though (including the list of action items)
[14:22] <tumbleweed> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MathieuTrudel/CoreDevApplication
[14:23] <tumbleweed> DMB: please pepper cyphermox with questions (assuming you have any)
[14:24] <stgraber> cyphermox: when is Feature Freeze (exact time please)?
[14:25] <cyphermox> stgraber: what I understood was midnight UTC, start of Thursday 16th, unless there was a different time announced?
[14:26] <stgraber> there was a different time announced, though at least what you said won't make you upload past FF :)
[14:26] <stgraber> 16:03 < skaet> Feature Freeze is at 2100 UTC
[14:26] <tumbleweed> freezes are usually at 2100 UTC
[14:26] <cyphermox> ah
[14:26] <micahg> that's documented: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule?action=show&redirect=PreciseReleaseSchedule
[14:27] <tumbleweed> cyphermox: you are, of course, subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce?
[14:28] <cyphermox> I am
[14:28] <micahg> cyphermox: as a core dev, when would you not sponsor an upload?
[14:30] <cyphermox> micahg: I tend to only sponsor uploads when I have a strong knowledge of the package and code in that software, unless the changes are pretty obviously safe. I can't think of a better answer to give you right now.
[14:30] <micahg> cyphermox: ok, what about factors besides your knowledge that might cause you not to sponsor something
[14:31] <micahg> (which are good reasons in general, but over time you want to push that envelope)
[14:31] <tumbleweed> core-dev is a general upload right to the entire archive, one can't have strong knowledge of every package
[14:31] <cyphermox> micahg: when the sponsored upload might clash with an ongoing transition ?
[14:32] <micahg> cyphermox: there's not only one answer here, but that's one, anything else?
[14:33] <cyphermox> micahg: for my edification, could you elaborate? I may have got stuck on that "factors beside your knowledge" part
[14:34] <micahg> well, what other criteria would you look at besides the quality of a diff to determine whether or not to sponsor an upload
[14:34] <cyphermox> ah
[14:35] <cyphermox> I don't have a better answer than the one I gave you
[14:36] <stgraber> cyphermox: what do you consider "pretty obviously safe"?
[14:37] <cyphermox> stgraber: a small change to packaging for a missing file to be installed, minimal code changes for safety checks, etc.
[14:37] <cyphermox> it of course depends of the actual change being done, but that's examples
[14:38] <stgraber> ok
[14:38] <stgraber> now let's say you're asked to sponsor a sync from Debian for a package in main, what would you check?
[14:42] <cyphermox> are there changes from the package in Ubuntu we might want to keep; any thinks likely to fail to build or work as a result of the the new package.  that would most likely involve checking with the last person who touched the package first
[14:43] <stgraber> good. Anything to be careful about regarding the resulting binary packages when we're talking about packages in main?
[14:44] <cyphermox> new dependencies that might need to be in main as well
[14:45] <stgraber> exactly :)
[14:45] <tumbleweed> or that can be safely avoided in ubuntu by turning off features
[14:46] <cyphermox> on account of wpasupplicant experience I would also say where the libraries end up on the filesystem
[14:49] <micahg> cyphermox: is there a way to check if an upload might affect other packages besides the one you're uploading?
[14:50] <cyphermox> yes. checking reverse-depends or reverse build-depends; I've also hacked the transitions tracker before to make myself a page for libnl3.
[14:53] <tumbleweed> cyphermox: on a slightly different tangent I know users would love to see more usb-modeswitch* backports for hardware-enablement. Do you think that's possible?
[14:53] <cyphermox> backports, certainly, though not really SRUs
[14:54] <cyphermox> I think it could be done though to just SRU the usb-modeswitch-data package with micro-exceptions such as we do for mobile-broadband-provider-info since it's just data
[14:54] <cyphermox> in the cases where it works with the version of usb-modeswitch available
[14:54] <tumbleweed> if the formats stay the same, that'd probably be nice to have
[14:54] <Laney> (answer when you're finished) Do you think spending some time on +1maint gave you valuable experience? What did you learn there and would you encourage others to seek to spend some time with the team?
[14:55] <tumbleweed> (and then we need to finish up and go to a vote, we have 5 mins remaining)
[14:55] <cyphermox> Laney: it's great exposure to a large variety of different problems. I feel it gave me some experience, although I'm generally unhappy with my "performance" there, I don't feel like I've been able to fix that many things
[14:55] <tumbleweed> was that partially because you weren't a core-dev?
[14:56] <tumbleweed> err mainly
[14:56] <cyphermox> maybe, but that could have been worked around by sponsoring
[14:56] <Laney> Was there enough support from your fellow team members?
[14:56] <cyphermox> some of the issues were much outside my comprehension
[14:56] <Laney> or did you miss some 'training' or a way to find issues to work on?
[14:57] <Laney> find/select
[14:57] <cyphermox> yes, there was, though I was trying hard to get things done by myself to learn "better"
[14:57] <cyphermox> Laney: I don't think so, maybe that was missing "experience", and some fixes just take time, I was trying to get them though debian first (re: asciidoc IIRC)
[14:58] <cyphermox> but you can't get the experience chasing these kinds of errors without being exposed to them before
[14:58] <cyphermox> fixing builds that were requiring network access was quite interesting; so was fixing things due to the kernel we use for buildds
[14:59] <Laney> sure, so maybe you'd have a better experience next time aroudn
[14:59] <cyphermox> Laney: yes, my second run was already better
[14:59] <tumbleweed> are we done with questions, can we go to a vote? (I don't see anything sheduled for the next slot, but no need to drag on for another hour :P )
[15:00]  * stgraber is ready
[15:00] <cyphermox> please, don't drag on for another hour :)
[15:00] <stgraber> (as much as I'd enjoy questioning cyphermox for another hour ;))
[15:00] <tumbleweed> #vote Should cyphermox become a core-dev
[15:00] <meetingology> Please vote on: Should cyphermox become a core-dev
[15:00] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:00] <stgraber> +1
[15:01] <tumbleweed> +1 [ I don't see an enormous amount of activity outside your main area of interest, but there is some, and that shouldn't be a blocker. There are a fair number of good endorsements ]
[15:02]  * stgraber pokes meetingology
[15:02] <Laney> +1
[15:03] <micahg> +1, good packaging work, would like to see more work outside of area of expertise, but libnl3 transition was a good start
[15:03] <tumbleweed> that appears to be everyone who is here today
[15:03] <tumbleweed> #endvote
[15:03] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should cyphermox become a core-dev
[15:03] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:03] <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used
[15:04] <tumbleweed> err any ideas?
[15:04] <Laney> ignore
[15:04] <tumbleweed> #action tumbleweed to add cyphermox to core-dev after the meeting
[15:04] <meetingology> ACTION: tumbleweed to add cyphermox to core-dev after the meeting
[15:04] <tumbleweed> cyphermox: congrats
[15:04] <cyphermox> thanks
[15:05] <tumbleweed> #topic AOB?
[15:05] <sagaci> cyphermox: good work
[15:05] <tumbleweed> next chair?
[15:05] <micahg> cyphermox: sorry, I spaced on the +1 stuff you did, you already did quite a bit outside your area of expertise :)
[15:05] <tumbleweed> do we need to poke tech-board to add barry?
[15:06] <micahg> tumbleweed: we need to confirm the nomination
[15:06] <tumbleweed> micahg: oh, probably I wasn't looking hard enough :)
[15:06] <tumbleweed> in that case
[15:06] <tumbleweed> #vote add barry to the DMB to take geser's seat
[15:06] <meetingology> Please vote on: add barry to the DMB to take geser's seat
[15:06] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:06] <tumbleweed> +1
[15:06] <stgraber> +1
[15:07] <Laney> +1
[15:07] <tumbleweed> micahg: ?
[15:08] <stgraber> AlanBell: your bot is broken :) (not sure if it's actually yours but I remember you playing with it a bit)
[15:08] <AlanBell> hi stgraber
[15:08] <micahg> +1
[15:08] <tumbleweed> #endvote
[15:08] <meetingology> Voting ended on: add barry to the DMB to take geser's seat
[15:08] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:08] <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used
[15:08] <tumbleweed> ignoring meetingology: motion carried
[15:08] <AlanBell> ooh sorry about that
[15:10] <tumbleweed> next chair?
[15:10] <stgraber> do we need TB confirmation for the new DMB member or we just need TB to add him and announce?
[15:10] <stgraber> if it's the later, just give me the action
[15:11] <tumbleweed> Laney: you were the last person to do this
[15:12] <tumbleweed> going from last time, this is pretty easy
[15:12] <tumbleweed> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-September/001080.html
[15:12] <tumbleweed> #action stgraber to get barry added to the DMB
[15:12] <meetingology> ACTION: stgraber to get barry added to the DMB
[15:13] <stgraber> ok, doing that post-meeting (with the minutes from our previous meeting ...)
[15:13] <tumbleweed> next chair:
[15:13] <tumbleweed> presumably bdrung (going from the top
[15:14] <tumbleweed> no objections, done
[15:14] <tumbleweed> #endmeeeting
[15:15] <AlanBell> tumbleweed: can you say "#voters"
[15:15] <tumbleweed> AlanBell: oh, duh, sorry. My first meetingology meeting
[15:15] <AlanBell> tumbleweed: thats fine, I can't see what went wrong
[15:15] <micahg> oh wait, before we end
[15:15] <micahg> or is it too late now?
[15:15] <tumbleweed> the bot doesn't seem to have noticed that we finished :P
[15:16] <AlanBell> #voters
[15:16] <meetingology> Current voters:
[15:16] <AlanBell> mind a quick test vote?
[15:16] <AlanBell> #vote a quick motion to test the bot
[15:16] <meetingology> Please vote on: a quick motion to test the bot
[15:16] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:16] <micahg> AlanBell: are we still in the DMB meeting from meetingology's point of view?
[15:16] <AlanBell> +1
[15:16] <AlanBell> micahg: I am not sure
[15:16] <sagaci> +0
[15:16] <micahg> +1
[15:16] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[15:16] <meetingology> Voting ended on: a quick motion to test the bot
[15:16] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:16] <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used
[15:17]  * micahg wanted a comment on the record, but fears it's too late
[15:17] <tumbleweed> micahg: I haven't written the minutes yet
[15:17] <stgraber> micahg: well, it looks like we don't really have records ;)
[15:17] <AlanBell> #startmeeting test meeting
[15:17] <meetingology> AlanBell: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[15:17] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[15:17] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[15:17] <AlanBell> #startmeeting test meeting
[15:17] <meetingology> AlanBell: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[15:17]  * AlanBell will go give the bot a slap
[15:18] <micahg> last meeting with notes was the release meeting on Friday
[15:18] <AlanBell> #startmeeting test
[15:18] <meetingology> AlanBell: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[15:18] <geser> at least the bot is persistent
[15:19] <micahg> well, I just wanted to thank geser for his many years of service on the DMB and the MOTU council and wish him well on his future endeavors
[15:19] <AlanBell> it is working great in the #meetingology test channel, seems to be in a fluster here though
[15:19] <micahg> tumbleweed: can you include the above in the meeting notes ^^
[15:19] <stgraber> micahg: +1
[15:19] <micahg> #help
[15:19] <tumbleweed> micahg: sure :)
[15:20] <micahg> #endendmeeting
[15:20] <AlanBell> it is getting exceptions when writing logfiles
[15:31] <AlanBell> tumbleweed: sorry, looks like no meetingology logs, it can't write to the directory it stores them in for this channel, reallly odd
[15:31] <tumbleweed> np
[15:32] <AlanBell> I can't even touch a file in there, I get touch: setting times of `foo': No such file or directory
[15:33] <AlanBell> lets remove that directory and try again
[15:34] <AlanBell> #startmeeting test
[15:34] <meetingology> AlanBell: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[15:34] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[15:36] <AlanBell> #startmeeting
[15:36] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 13 15:36:25 2012 UTC.  The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:36] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[15:38] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[15:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Feb 13 15:38:09 2012 UTC.
[15:38] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-13-15.36.moin.txt
[15:38] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-13-15.36.html
[15:38] <AlanBell> better
[15:38] <AlanBell> #startmeeting
[15:38] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 13 15:38:25 2012 UTC.  The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:38] <AlanBell> #vote is there a problem with the filesystem on the server?
[15:38] <meetingology> Please vote on: is there a problem with the filesystem on the server?
[15:38] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:38] <AlanBell> +1
[15:38] <meetingology> +1 received from AlanBell
[15:38] <AlanBell> #endvote
[15:38] <meetingology> Voting ended on: is there a problem with the filesystem on the server?
[15:38] <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:38] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:38] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[15:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Feb 13 15:38:54 2012 UTC.
[15:38] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-13-15.38.moin.txt
[15:38] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-13-15.38.html
[15:39] <AlanBell> yay
[15:39] <AlanBell> but it isn't totally happy
[16:00] <roadmr> hi all!
[16:00] <ara> hello!
[16:00] <jedimike> hi
[16:00] <roadmr> ok it's 16:00 UTC so let's get this show on the road
[16:00]  * roadmr was going to say 11:00 - how EST-centered of me :(
[16:00] <roadmr> #startmeeting Ubuntu Friendly meeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 13 16:00:48 2012 UTC.  The chair is roadmr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:01] <roadmr> Hi everyone, welcome to the Ubuntu Friendly meeting!
[16:01] <roadmr> Today we have the following topics to talk about:
[16:01] <roadmr> * Checkbox 0.13.1 - call for testing (roadmr)
[16:01] <roadmr> * Submitting test results anonymously (cr3)
[16:01] <roadmr> * Any Other Business
[16:01] <roadmr> As usual, you're welcome to participate, to do so, indicate you want to speak by raising your hand (o/). Don't forget to also signal when you're done using ..
[16:01] <cr3> o/
[16:02] <roadmr> hey cr3!
[16:02] <cr3> hello everyone!
[16:02] <cr3> ..
[16:02] <roadmr> Let's get started with the agenda!
[16:02] <roadmr> [TOPIC] Checkbox 0.13.1 - call for testing (roadmr)
[16:02] <roadmr> Checkbox version 0.13.1 was just accepted in Ubuntu, with lots of fixes and new goodies.
[16:02] <roadmr> We'd like to ask for everyone's help in running it and reporting any bugs you may find (by running ubuntu-bug checkbox, for instance).
[16:03] <roadmr> This will allow us to start focusing on fixing those bugs in time for the 12.04 release.
[16:03] <roadmr> Installing it should be as simple as applying available updates in your Ubuntu Precise installation.
[16:04] <roadmr> That's all on this topic, as it was basically just an announcement :) Any questions or comments?
[16:05] <roadmr> nothing? :) Let's move on then...
[16:05] <roadmr> * [TOPIC] Submitting test results anonymously (cr3)
[16:05] <roadmr> [TOPIC] Submitting test results anonymously (cr3)
[16:05] <roadmr> cr3, go ahead!
[16:05] <cr3> The new checkbox-qt interface provides a button to submit test results and hardware information anonymously.
[16:05] <cr3> The problem is that Launchpad does not like anonymous information on the basis that information not linked to anyone is useless.
[16:05] <cr3> We could workaround this problem by providing a dummy email address when users click on the button to submit anonymously.
[16:05] <cr3> Or, we can remove the button to submit anonymously. Note that the interface prompts for an email address which doesn't need to exist in Launchpad.
[16:05] <cr3> If a user eventually creates an account in Launchpad with the same address, the submissions will be linked to the new user retroactively.
[16:06] <cr3> So, should we vote on removing the button to submit anonymously?
[16:07] <mlegris> +1 -> yes
[16:07] <roadmr> sounds OK to me, anyone want to comment anything before we vote?
[16:08] <roadmr> let's go then
[16:08] <roadmr> #vote remove the "submit anonymously" button from Checkbox? (+1 means "yes, remove it")
[16:08] <meetingology> Please vote on: remove the "submit anonymously" button from Checkbox? (+1 means "yes, remove it")
[16:08] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[16:08] <cr3> +1
[16:08] <meetingology> +1 received from cr3
[16:08] <jedimike> +1
[16:08] <meetingology> +1 received from jedimike
[16:08] <bladernr_> +1
[16:08] <meetingology> +1 received from bladernr_
[16:08] <mlegris> +1
[16:08] <meetingology> +1 received from mlegris
[16:08] <roadmr> +1 but we need to let the user know that any email address can be specified, to avoid "oh, do I have to create a launchpad account?" questions
[16:08] <meetingology> +1 but we need to let the user know that any email address can be specified, to avoid "oh, do I have to create a launchpad account?" questions received from roadmr
[16:09] <cr3> roadmr: +1, but I don't think we need to vote on that :)
[16:09] <ara> -1
[16:09] <meetingology> -1 received from ara
[16:09] <ara> I think it is better to use a dummy email
[16:10] <cr3> ara: people could provide a dummy address themselves if they really want, but at least it wouldn't make bad behavior as common
[16:10] <ara> but it would make the UI messy
[16:10] <cr3> ara: we're removing a button, how's that messy?
[16:11] <ara> what will be the label for the email text box
[16:11] <ara> currently is Launchpad ID email
[16:11] <ara> (or something along the lines)
[16:11] <roadmr> cr3: but will the text that explains that even a non-launchpad email address be briefer than the button?
[16:12] <roadmr> cr3: people aren't too good at those "implicit" behaviors, so we *need* to spell it out
[16:12] <cr3> ara: whether we have the anonymous button or not, I think the email input field will need the same text
[16:13] <roadmr> that's a good point
[16:13] <ara> I don't think so
[16:13] <cr3> ara: please explain, I'm not sure I follow
[16:13] <ara> Right now you can:
[16:13] <ara> * Submit anonymously
[16:13] <ara> * Submit with your Launchpad email
[16:14] <ara> that implies that you need a Luanchpad account to submit with the email text box
[16:14] <ara> if we remove the submit anonymously
[16:14] <ara> we will need to remove the Launchpad all together, to avoid confusion
[16:14] <ara> Launchpad label, I mean
[16:15] <ara> or add a too lengthy explanation about the eamil
[16:15] <cr3> * Submit with your email, optional
[16:15] <cr3> so, if you click on submit without anything, it submits anyways?
[16:16] <cr3> in other words, remove the big red button to encourage bad behavior and still support your use case?
[16:16] <ara> I will need to see a mock up to get the idea
[16:17] <cr3> ara: I'm thinking the same as it was which we now works with Launchpad requirements
[16:17] <cr3> s/now/know/
[16:18] <ara> I don't see why submitting anonymously should be consider "bad behaviour"
[16:19] <ara> but I will be happy to see other mock ups
[16:19] <cr3> ara: if it weren't bad behavior, why should we prompt for an email address at all?
[16:22] <roadmr> so maybe this feature needs a bit more thinking?
[16:22] <roadmr> let me close the vote, I think despite the clear majority this still merits some discussing
[16:22] <roadmr> #endvote
[16:22] <meetingology> Voting ended on: remove the "submit anonymously" button from Checkbox? (+1 means "yes, remove it")
[16:22] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0
[16:22] <meetingology> Motion carried
[16:22] <roadmr> ignore meetingology :)
[16:23] <cr3> roadmr: agreed, but we might not have that luxury. I'd say try to propose a way to submit both anonymously and with an email address with as little confusion as possible, or fallback to the previous behavior in time for FF
[16:23] <cr3> ara: ^^^ how does that sound to you?
[16:24] <roadmr> checkbox-deluxe
[16:25] <cr3> roadmr: if we name it checkbox-++, does one minus cancel one plus?
[16:25] <roadmr> cr3: yes I guess
[16:25] <cr3> checkbox+, just like google+, we'd be trendy!
[16:26] <roadmr> ok so 1- user has a launchpad account and wants to submit with his email address
[16:26] <roadmr> 2- user has NO launchpad account and wants to submit with his email address
[16:26] <cr3> roadmr: it seems that we dispensed with the whole raising hand practice
[16:26] <roadmr> 3- user wants to submit but not give his email address
[16:26] <roadmr> 4- user doesn't want to submit at all
[16:27] <cr3> roadmr: +1
[16:27] <roadmr> so coming up with a UI that makes all those cases easy, with as little implicit behavior as possible (i.e. no "if you leave the email address blank and click "submit" we will make up an address and submit anonymously")
[16:28] <roadmr> ..
[16:28] <cr3> roadmr: should that be an action item?
[16:29] <roadmr> cr3: ideally, but it has to be a quick action as FF is in a couple of days
[16:29] <roadmr> [ACTION] Propose a way to handle the four use cases (see above) - preferrably with a mockup, maybe send to UF mailing list
[16:29] <meetingology> ACTION: Propose a way to handle the four use cases (see above) - preferrably with a mockup, maybe send to UF mailing list
[16:29] <roadmr> [ACTION] Decision made based on clearness and ease of implementation (due to time constraints)
[16:29] <meetingology> ACTION: Decision made based on clearness and ease of implementation (due to time constraints)
[16:30] <roadmr> sounds about right? I didn't put anyone in particular since at this point we'd be looking at any proposals that come in
[16:31] <roadmr> OK anything else on this topic? ara, are you OK with this course of action?
[16:32] <cr3> roadmr: sounds right to me
[16:33] <ara> roadmr, yes
[16:33] <ara> (I am OK)
[16:33] <ara> roadmr, who are the owners of the action items?
[16:33] <roadmr> ara: since it's about making proposals, I guess anyone who has an idea :)
[16:34] <cr3> roadmr: I should take it since I opened the can
[16:34] <roadmr> ok thanks!
[16:34] <roadmr> ok then let's continue with this
[16:35] <roadmr> Next on the agenda... the beloved...
[16:35] <roadmr> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[16:35] <roadmr> Got anything Ubuntu Friendly-related you'd like to discuss or bring to the team's attention? now's your chance!
[16:36] <roadmr> any takers? :)
[16:38] <roadmr> ok then...
[16:38] <roadmr> Well I guess this wraps things up for today. Thanks for attending! Remember the mailing list is open to all your UF-related comments and inquiries.
[16:38] <roadmr> Thanks! have a good day!
[16:38] <roadmr> #endmeeting
[16:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Feb 13 16:38:55 2012 UTC.
[16:38] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-13-16.00.moin.txt
[16:38] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-13-16.00.html
[16:39] <roadmr> I'll have the minutes up in a minute :)
[16:40] <roadmr> thanks everyone!
[16:41] <cr3> roadmr: thanks dude!
[18:00] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:00] <mdeslaur> \o
[18:00] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 13 18:00:49 2012 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:00] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:01] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[18:01] <jdstrand> FeatureFreeze is this week (February 16th). Please try to finish any non-bugfix work items that are tied to the release by this date. Please talk to mdeslaur (and optionally me) soon if there are issues meeting this deadline. This is particularly true for essential and high priority items.
[18:01] <jdstrand> Thanks to the following people:
[18:01] <jdstrand> Imre Gergely (cemc) provided debdiffs for hardy-precise for pdns (LP: #918588)
[18:01] <jdstrand> Zubin Mithra (zubin-mithra) assisted with updating atop in lucid and maverick (LP: #820497)
[18:01] <jdstrand> Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[18:02] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Review of any previous action items
[18:02] <jdstrand> ACTION: sbeattie to follow up on qrt bugs from QA team
[18:02]  * sbeattie facepalms
[18:02]  * jdstrand keeps action on list
[18:02] <jdstrand> :)
[18:02] <sbeattie> thank you.
[18:02] <sbeattie> :-)
[18:02] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:03] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:03] <jdstrand> I'm in the happy place
[18:03] <jdstrand> last week I had meetings around the partner archive. the issues surrounding it should now be resolved with clear processes
[18:03] <sbeattie> \o/
[18:03] <jdstrand> some of this was mentioned briefly on the TB mailing list
[18:04] <jdstrand> I've got quite a bit of internal follow-ups I am working on
[18:05] <jdstrand> I'm surely behind again on archive admin stuff (tough time in the cycle with FF looming) and will need to spend some time on that
[18:05] <jdstrand> got through several MIR audits last week, but there are a lot more
[18:05] <jdstrand> As mentioned last week, I might ask for help, but not yet
[18:06] <jdstrand> besides that, I might try to finish a few work items before FF
[18:06] <jdstrand> we'll see
[18:06] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're next
[18:06] <mdeslaur> I'm on community this week
[18:07] <mdeslaur> there's a few community security updates to sponsor
[18:07] <mdeslaur> and I'm currently working on cvs
[18:07] <mdeslaur> and will probably steal apache2 from sbeattie if he doesn't object
[18:07] <mdeslaur> and will further go down the list
[18:07] <mdeslaur> wednesday, I'll be patch piloting
[18:07] <sbeattie> mdeslaur: no objections here
[18:07] <mdeslaur> and, that's about it from me. sbeattie, you're next
[18:07] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: ok, consider apache2 stolen
[18:08] <sbeattie> I'm on triage this week
[18:08] <jdstrand> oh I forgot-- I've got 2 pending updates
[18:08] <sbeattie> php regression fix just went out the door.
[18:08] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: my apologies, I didn't triage on friday as I was out
[18:08] <sbeattie> mdeslaur: no worries
[18:09] <sbeattie> I've got glibc and an embargoed issue on my plate
[18:09] <sbeattie> I also need to get back to my apparmor work items
[18:09] <sbeattie> ... and I think that's it for me.
[18:09] <sbeattie> micahg is away for a bit, I think, so tyhicks?
[18:09] <tyhicks> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:10] <tyhicks> I'm still working on the ruby1.8 update
[18:10] <tyhicks> I have accumulated a few eCryptfs kernel fixes that I'll need to prepare a pull request for sometime early this week, but that should be quick and smooth
[18:11] <tyhicks> That's it for me
[18:11] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[18:11] <mdeslaur> tyhicks: cool, glad to have you back on reactive work
[18:11] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: Glad to be back on it :)
[18:11] <jdstrand> \o/
[18:11] <jjohansen> so, its mount rule testing and bug fixing for me, as well as martially all the changes to submit patches and pull requests
[18:12] <jdstrand> tyhicks: me too. thanks for all your hard work getting ecryptfs into good shape for precise
[18:12] <jdstrand> jjohansen: nice :)
[18:12] <sbeattie> jjohansen: what shape are mount rules in>
[18:12] <jjohansen> errr, s/martially/marshalling/
[18:13] <jjohansen> sbeattie: well not as good as I would like, but I am boot a kernel to do more testing on now
[18:13] <jjohansen> sbeattie: I let you know when it blows up on me again
[18:13] <jjohansen> :/
[18:14] <sbeattie> jjohansen: okay. Note that I have work items to help write testcases for mount rules.
[18:14] <jjohansen> really they aren't that bad off, most things are there I am testing with a reduced permission set right now as there is a bad bug in the extended permissions
[18:14] <jjohansen> sbeattie: yeah you will be getting stuff to play with today
[18:14] <sbeattie> jjohansen: awesome, thanks!
[18:15] <jjohansen> sbeattie: they are passing the parser regression tests atm
[18:15] <jjohansen> not that it couldn't use a lot more
[18:15] <jjohansen> hrmm, I guess thats it from me, jdstrand back to you
[18:16] <jdstrand> thanks
[18:16] <jdstrand> as mentioned micahg is not here today, but he is working on tbird and chromium updates, ff10 bug triage and back to webkit
[18:16] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:17] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:17] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:17] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/sitecopy.html
[18:17] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libspring-2.5-java.html
[18:17] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/smbind.html
[18:17] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php-suhosin.html
[18:17] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/icecast2.html
[18:17] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:17] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:20] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen: thanks!
[18:20] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:20] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Feb 13 18:20:47 2012 UTC.
[18:20] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-13-18.00.moin.txt
[18:20] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-13-18.00.html
[18:20] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[18:20] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thank you
[18:31] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand


[05:18] <screennamez> hi . running 16.04 on an asus . all my videos on both dragon and vlc only play in a little window
[05:19] <hateball> screennamez: 16.04 support is in #ubuntu+1 until it is released
[05:19] <screennamez> thnaks
[05:19] <hateball> That said, you can probably set a window rule (or check if there is one) to force a certain window size
[11:00] <Leonetti> Hi! I'd like to ask for some help. I've been trying to install kubuntu 15.10 amd64 on my computer, but right at the beginning it replied SYSLINUX boot error.
[11:01] <Leonetti> I've read a lot of articels about it, but from ubuntu forums, i didn't find anything on kubuntu forums related to it.
[11:02] <Leonetti> The solutions they recommended on other forums did not work on my computer.
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:32] <Marcky> well.. can anybody tell me if kubuntu (ubuntu) is safe when it comes to NAS spying? does anybody knows what this binary blobs are in real?
[15:32] <polaris> Edward Snowden?
[15:32] <Marcky> well kubuntu will find brand new people when they can state: ubuntu is safe..
[15:33] <Marcky> No, Assange :)
[15:34] <Marcky> i am so unhappy. macos is spying, windows is spying N$A backdoors, Android.. IOS etc.. and ubuntu?
[15:34] <Marcky> all the same`? changing to Arc linux or something like that..
[15:37] <Marcky> every typed word is going in 30 mins slices to ms-server.. common.. windows is hell..
[15:41] <polaris> Try gentoo, if you want to know deep everything you use
[15:44] <Marcky> gentoo?? hmm ill take a look. thanx..
[15:45] <Marcky> gentoo uses SELinux?!!
[15:46] <Marcky> dont trust selinux..
[15:47] <Marcky> even if its more secure.. i am sure there is a backdoor..
[16:26] <Hetr0Erectus> marcky: God knows everything, you cant hide.
[16:28] <Hetr0Erectus> marcky: however.. https://www.bestvpn.com/blog/10314/linux-distributions-built-for-security-and-anonymity/
[16:54] <aguitel> when you move files to trash it take long time to do it , why this?
[17:10] <aguitel> moving files to trash take long time to do it , why ?
[17:20] <Smurphy> Because I tend to erase.
[17:20] <Smurphy> If the trash is on a different partition, it has to move files around.
[19:35] <Guest79653> trying to install on sdcard but installation of grub fails???
[19:40] <Guest79653> can be uefi that causing this?
 Yes, it could be that.
 Probably because there is no MBR set on the sdcard
 If you use fdisk to check out the sdcard, and change the partition, so that you set the bootable flag, then try it again
[19:44] <Guest79653> going to check with partionmaneger
[19:45] <bprompt> Guest79653:    installing kubuntu 16.04 to sdcard?
[19:46] <sick_rimmit> !pastebin
[19:48] <Guest79653> no 15.10 have a 500 someting Mb fat32 as the first on the sdcard, is that the boot?
 No
 A partition on disk can have a special boot flag set
 This tells the BIOS that this disk has a MBR on it
[19:49] <Guest79653> its flag as start
 Without the bootflag, you have no MBR and so GRUB can not install
 Here you go
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_flag
[19:51] <bprompt> Guest79653:    should work then
 This post on Ubuntu Forums puts it into context
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=874854
[19:55] <Guest79653> its flaged right but grub wont install, need to check this uefi crap. First time im messing with it.
[19:56] <Guest79653> whats the best setting for uefi?
[19:56] <bprompt> Guest79653:     is the machine the sdcard booting up to, in uefi mode?
[19:56] <Guest79653> whats the minimum size for grub to fit?
[19:57] <Guest79653> i can acess the sdcard and use it the install goes fine to the grub install
[19:59] <Guest79653> ita a 16Gb SDHC card that i have run os from before, now with a new laptop it wont work
[21:49] <treg> Is there a way to add directories to the KDE launcher path?
[22:53] <Smurphy> Weird. Just upgraded my Work-Laptop from Kubuntu 15.04 to 15.10 - and the audio stops working.
[22:53] <Smurphy> Only shows: Dummy device (in hardware/audio settings).
[22:53] <Smurphy> Any idea what that could be ?
[22:56] <soee> there was some workaround - you have to add your user to sound group
[22:57] <Smurphy> udio group I suppose.
[22:57] <Smurphy> audio... Just thought that. Have to logoff/login again.
[22:57] <Smurphy> brb.
[22:58] <soee> yes :)
[23:01] <Smurphy> Yep - that has seemed to work.
[23:37] <Oderus> hey all. just curious how i make it so numlock is on by default in SDDM?
[23:45] <Oderus> i turned the option on under input devices>keyboard, the option to have numblock on by default is checked, but remains off


[13:17] <Guest11589> hello
[13:20] <Guest11589> Could someone please enable DVB_USB_AZ6007 for /~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.4-rc1-precise
[13:21] <Guest11589> I'd happily be advised on how to do that on my own, though.
[13:23] <Guest11589> I guess something like loading like loading vanilla source (linux-3.4-rc1.tar.bz2), patching in 0001-base-packaging.patch, 0002-debian-changelog.patch, 0003-default-configs.patch, make oldconfig && make menuconfig
[13:23] <Guest11589> finally make modules && make modules_install
[13:24] <Guest11589> Did I miss something?
[13:30] <martinphone> is <IP_ADDRESS> stable?
[13:33] <Guest11589> Why don't have a stop at kernel.org?
[14:22] <martinphone> no segfaults fo far with 0.19
[17:32] <apw> beata, that is correct; the abi in the source tree is the abi for the previous version
[17:52] <beata> apw: Thanks; that threw me when I saw it.


[09:53] <Pendulum> akgraner pleia2 maco, do we have any plans for an Ubuntu Women dinner or anything for UDS?
[11:24] <akgraner> Pendulum, I know michelle I think wanted to get together
[11:25] <akgraner> but I don't think there has been anything formal planned as of yet
[11:25] <Pendulum> *nods*
[11:25] <Pendulum> (I'm just trying to plan because I can't do everything like I do most UDSes ;-) )
[11:26] <akgraner> nos
[11:26] <akgraner> nods
[13:03] <akgraner> Day 3 of Open Week just started - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[14:01] <akgraner> Up next for Ubuntu Open Week in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat at 1400 UTC is How to contribute translating Ubuntu -- David Planella (dpm)
[15:35] <pleia2> nothing planned yet, when I first mentioned it hardly anyone was going so we weren't sure it would be worth it, but now there are a bunch of us
[15:35] <pleia2> Pendulum: ^^
[15:36] <maco> sssshhh about me going :P im gonna just go to a11y sessions and otherwise hide from people
[15:41] <pleia2> :)
[15:43] <Pendulum> yeah, that wasn't a "we need to do something" necessarily
[15:44] <Pendulum> more of a "is there a plan so I can plan for it in the spoon count ;-)"
[15:44] <Pendulum> MichelleQ: you hadn't been planning on having a UW dinner, right?
[15:45] <MichelleQ> was't planning on one, but can be arranged
[15:46] <nigelb> maco: hah.
[15:46] <Pendulum> MichelleQ: not meant as a pressure thing, just wasn't sure if there were things being planned at all by anyone
[15:46] <MichelleQ> The Florida team is doing something as a welcome Wednesday night, but other than that, not much going on.
[15:48] <MichelleQ> I can host dinner here Tuesday night, if you want to have a U-W dinner.
[15:51] <maco> question: can Renaissance Woman be a superhero?
[15:51] <MichelleQ> of course
[15:51] <maco> excellent. in that case, i have a costume
[15:51] <maco> there are going to be like 5 iron mans probably
[15:51] <MichelleQ> I'm of the personal opinion that any woman in that particular time period is a hero
[15:52] <maco> i was going to bring my renn dress for costume party but the thingy says superhero theme so im like -_-
[15:53] <nigelb> maco: just dress up as yourself
[15:53] <MichelleQ> pleia2, Pendulum, maco, does Tuesday night for dinner @ my place work for you all?
[15:54] <nigelb> maco: I, for one, would totally believe you'er a superhero :)
[15:54] <Pendulum> maco: there was also a version of X-Men called 1492 that was out 2003-ish
[15:54] <maco> isnt tuesday night rackspace night?
[15:57] <MichelleQ> I dunno
[15:57] <pleia2> http://uds.ubuntu.com/evening-programme/
[15:58] <pleia2> yeah, thursday is the only completely free night
[15:58] <MichelleQ> Pendulum I think has to leave Thursday, though.  :-(
[15:59] <pleia2> I could do tuesday, I don't mind missing the rackspace happy hour (it's not even clear there is food)
[15:59] <Pendulum> I'm around Thursday night, but I wanted to be at the hotel because akgraner's kids will be around and I'd like to see them
[15:59] <Pendulum> (I leave Friday morning)
[15:59] <nigelb> The DX gaming night seems fun.
[15:59] <nigelb> Sigh.
[16:00] <akgraner> Pendulum, they are staying off property with friends so I'll make sure they stick around for a few...
[16:00] <gord> All are welcome :)
[16:00] <maco> gaming night was the bit i was thinking was skippable :P
[16:00] <gord> bah
[16:00] <maco> how do my boyfriend and i get along? he's a gamer and im like "oh..gaming...yeah, we can skip that"
[16:01] <MichelleQ> Y'all let me know what works out best for you.  My house is available.  :-)
[16:01] <nigelb> heh
[16:01] <nigelb> maco: I wwas thinking it was skippable as wwell ;)
[16:01] <nigelb> gord: ^ :D
[16:01] <MichelleQ> as long as it's not Monday, as per trick-or-treating
[16:01] <pleia2> maco: skipping rackspace ok?
[16:02] <maco> sure
[16:02] <pleia2> ok, let's do tuesday
[16:02] <Pendulum> btw, rackspace last year was only drinks, no food
[16:02] <pleia2> ah, good to know
[16:02] <maco> Pendulum: would that be gideon?
[16:03] <MichelleQ> pleia2: Tuesday it is.  :-)
[16:03] <pleia2> woohoo
[16:03] <MichelleQ> how many of us are we expecting at UDS?
[16:03] <Pendulum> maco: hmm?
[16:03] <maco> Pendulum: the 1492 thing
[16:04] <Pendulum> am looking for a link
[16:04] <Pendulum> might not be the actual title
[16:04] <Pendulum> (it's a year, but now I'm not positive that's the correct one)
[16:08] <MichelleQ> oh, before I forget - any food allergies/sensitivities/preferences/etc. I need to take into consideration?
[16:09] <maco> <-- veggie with dairy issues, though my dairy tolerance has improved enough now that little pills can turn it from "sick" to "uncomfortable" (thats an improvement)
[16:10] <maco> note to self: bring little pills
[16:10] <maco> i dont expect lunch to be free of little pill necessity, so i'm going to have to bring them anyway
[16:10] <MichelleQ> maco: gotcha
[16:12] <MichelleQ> I'll think about a menu and run it by everyone.
[16:12] <Pendulum> my only one is no cilantro, but I don't think that's an issue ;-) (and I'm fine as long as I don't actually eat it)
[16:12] <MichelleQ> Nope, no cilantro.  Tastes like soap.
[16:12] <maco> ah youre both supertasters?
[16:12] <Pendulum> I don't think it tastes like soap. It just makes me sick
[16:12] <MichelleQ> a'yup.
[16:12] <Pendulum> which is annoying because I love Mexican and Indian
[16:12] <maco> if id managed to drag annalee down, a "no peppers" rule would be in effect for her. capsicum allergy
[16:13] <MichelleQ> oh yikes!
[16:13] <maco> also why she cant go to protests... get maced = ER
[16:13] <MichelleQ> I'm inclined to do breakfast again, since it seemed to work well last year
[19:57] <Pendulum> maco: I figured out the comic book I was thinking of. Unfortunately I was way off on the year :( it's 1602


[09:19] <hipitihop> I have moved my existing 12.04 based mytbuntu HDD (front end + back end) to a complete new box, original was Nvidia based ION 330, new box is intel H97 Express based mobo with Core i5 , systems boots out of the box and myth runs, however I have two issues, no audio and mythtweb shows no listings or guide data. first step, audio, how do I force a fresh  reconfig of audio ?


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[06:40] <lordievader> Good morning
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[11:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:57] <acheronuk> can anyone do copyrights? It's nonsense to me
[13:00] <yofel> which step is?
[13:39] <bob_> hi
[13:41] <bob_> I'm bumbling along - its been years since I used IRC and I'm having to learn all over again
[13:42] <bob_> I got here because I was interested in acting as a Kubuntu tester
[13:43] <BluesKaj> Hi bob_ well, this is the place :-)
[13:44] <bob_> Oh good :)
[13:44] <bob_> I have quite a few years experience using kubuntu
[13:44] <BluesKaj> are you running 17.04 ?
[13:44] <bob_> but no coding skills
[13:45] <bob_> yup I have a version of it ruunning right now I'm speking from it
[13:45] <BluesKaj> coding not needed for testing
[13:45] <bob_> I'm reasonably happy using the terminal
[13:46] <bob_> I also build my own pc's
[13:47] <bob_> I have occasionally reported a bug but generally I have been an ordinary user
[13:47] <BluesKaj> I'm a tester and no very little about coding, just a little bit of scrpting
[13:47] <bob_> I have time to do some testing
[13:48] <BluesKaj> no =know
[13:48] <bob_> yup no wot u mean
[13:48] <BluesKaj> yeah we discourage texttalk here :-)
[13:49] <BluesKaj> plain english works every time
[13:50] <bob_> I have done some simple scripting and recently struggled with the new systemd methods but I'm always ready to learn
[13:51] <bob_> I did encounter a problem that I think has been around for a while
[13:52] <bob_> a problem that causes the installation to lock up - it was there in 1604 and 1610
[13:53] <bob_> i believe it is something to do with video drivers - once nvidias own from the repository are installed the lock ups cease
[13:54] <bob_> i thought it might have been sorted by now
[13:55] <bob_> what sort of testing is done and how does one get involved?
[13:57] <bob_> i need to ask to be added to the '!testers ubottu factoid' ?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> bob_, do you mean the ubiquity crash ?
[14:03] <acheronuk> yofel: the step of going from the licensecheck output to a properly formatted file
[14:04] <acheronuk> yofel: and the step where I am supposed to care that this file exists in the 1st place
[14:05] <yofel> hm, I haven't done this lately and don't know the other helpers, but I did was roughly this:
[14:09] <yofel> In-depth licensecheck scan, determine most used license, use this for the "Files: *" section, grep the licensecheck output for said linsense to get only the files where it's used, cut output to get file list, xargs that to grep "Copyright" in those files to get the holders
[14:09] <yofel> then add a holder in debian/copyright with years collapsed into one line, go back to grep and 'grep -v <email>' to exclude the added user from the list, repeat until all people were added
[14:09] <yofel> then go back to full filelist, grep -v <license> to get all other files, take next license, repeat above until done
[14:09] <yofel> which means I had to re-create the copyright file from scratch pretty much every time
[14:09] <bob_> BlesKaj, no the default nouveau video drivers interfere somehow and cause a system freeze
[14:10] <bob_> Sorry BluesKaj for name misspell
[14:10] <yofel> you could theoretically get copyright updates by diffing the upstream source (e.g. in git) and filtering copyright changes from that
[14:10] <yofel> but that requires a known-good state and I'm still not sure if that saves any time
[14:11] <yofel> depends on the amount of changes
[14:11] <BluesKaj> bob_, that's a new one I haven't seen. I have nvidia graphics, but I haven't encountered any freezes during the beta2 clean install to / .
[14:12] <yofel> and you always need to remember that licensecheck only works for the major copyright template texts. You need to look at every file where it's not sure about the license or reports UNKNOWN by hand
[14:12] <bob_> I got this freeze on install with the last few versions of Kubuntu
[14:13] <yofel> or you don't catch stuff like gfdl licensed docbooks, etc.
[14:14] <bob_> BluesKaj, there is a workaround that stops the nouveau drivers before the system starts up
[14:16] <BluesKaj> I haven't seen that freeze bob_
[14:16] <acheronuk> yofel: :( yikes
[14:17] <yofel> well, it's a bloody mess. (and one reason why we're always behind RPM distros as they just say "License: GPL-3" and are done)
[14:17] <yofel> but that's the old-school way, I would *hope* that someone wrote a bunch of helpers by now?
[14:17] <yofel> (in the last 2 years or so)
[14:18] <acheronuk> https://wiki.debian.org/CopyrightReviewTools
[14:18] <acheronuk> some there (old?), but even then I don't really know how much to trust their output
[14:19] <acheronuk> most say to double check their output with licensecheck. lol
[14:21] <bob_> BluesKaj, I only encounter it when starting a new install
[14:23] <BluesKaj> bob_, do you install to / and /home partitions ?
[14:32] <bob_> BluesKaj, yes I have my main system like that and have used that method for some time, although for this trial install of Zapy I left it all under /,
[14:39] <BluesKaj> bob_, this is the first I've heard of a nouveau freeze problem
[14:44] <bob_> BluesKaj, I'm trying to find reference to it online
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[14:48] <bob_> BluesKaj, my notes are in my yak1610 install, I will find reference eventually online
[14:49] <BluesKaj> bob_, ok
[15:11] <bob_> BluesKaj, this link covers the problem, although connecting to a ppa to get nvidia drivers is unneccesary
[15:13] <bob_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/696671/15-10-system-install-hang
[15:16] <bob_> That is exactly the bug I have experienced
[15:19] <bob_> BluesKaj, this also is related to the same issue https://superuser.com/questions/1070307/ubuntu-16-04-freezes-on-loading-installation-from-bootable-usb
[15:20] <BluesKaj> ahh, the optimus dual gpu hybrid graphics , that kind of an atypical setup and it's defeating the nvidia gpu in order to select boot with the  intel gpu..this is not the case with single gpu onboard setups IME. Alsp the UEFI/BIOS PCI gpu needs to be selected instead of the onboard in cases where users add anew graphics PCI card to their computers
[15:25] <bob_> BluesKaj, I'm only using one graphics card - an nvidia - although the motherboard is provisioned for dual
[15:26] <BluesKaj> bob_, is the nvidia a PCI card?
[15:26] <bob_> also no intel onboard - only amd
[15:27] <bob_> BluesKaj, yes, it is
[15:27] <BluesKaj> and it's the primary so to speak chosen in the UEFI/BIOS ?
[15:28] <bob_> BluesKaj, it has to be its the only card, there is no onboard graphics
[15:30] <BluesKaj> really?
[15:32] <bob_> BluesKaj, indeed
[15:32] <BluesKaj> ok you bought a board with no gpu
[15:34] <bob_> BluesKaj, I bought an Asus m/board, an amd processor, a graphics card, a case, etc etc and put them together
[15:34] <BluesKaj> right
[15:35] <bob_> I've been making my PC's up like that for more than 20 years
[15:36] <bob_> Blueskaj, been making them up more like 30 yesr actually
[15:36] <bob_> BlesKaj. yesr = years
[15:38] <bob_> BuesKaj - brb - a bread machine needs looking at :)
[15:44] <bob_> BluesKaj, the bread smells good
[15:46]  * BluesKaj nods
[16:01] <BluesKaj> which driver does your nvidia gpu use, bob_ ?
[16:04] <bob_> the latest recommended one from the ubuntu repositories
[16:06] <bob_> BluesKaj, the latest recommended from the ubuntu repositories
[16:07] <bob_> BluesKaj, 375.39 from nvidia-375
[16:08] <bob_> BluesKaj, its the default nouveau driver that my system doesn't like
[16:10] <bob_> BluesKag, btw the card is an nvidia GeForceGTX660
[16:14] <BluesKaj> bob_,right, I'm no gamer so i use an entry level 8400GS for this media server pc. It works very well for our needs
[16:16] <bob_> BluesKaj, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/1217585 - a bug report this time
[16:17] <bob_> BluesKaj, oh what happened then?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> !ubottu
[16:22] <BluesKaj> !nvidia
[16:23] <BluesKaj> bob_, this is what our infobot does
[16:23] <BluesKaj> as an example
[16:24] <bob_> BluesKaj, I see, thankyou, I am learning
[19:44] <bobbicat> hi BluesKaj, I was bob_ :)
[19:45] <BluesKaj> hey bobbicat :-)
[20:51] <clivejo> is the kubuntu driver manager still a problem in default install of zesty?
[21:15] <acheronuk> hard to test, as my zesty is anything but default now
[21:18] <acheronuk> hmmm.... xserver-xorg may update from 1.18.4 to 1.19.3 later if that last blocker rebuilds ok
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[02:23] <ChrisDruif> *quite*
[05:02] <stlsaint_> phillw: ping
[05:02] <stlsaint_> i have a bug
[05:03] <stlsaint_> anyone around??
[05:04] <stlsaint_> hey i need to get this bug checked out before i report it
[05:05] <phillw> stlsaint_: well if you hang around for than 10 seconds...
[05:05] <phillw> *for more than*
[05:06] <stlsaint_> phillw: yea but this potential *bug* is really pissing me off as it makes me hard kill my system and its happening quite often now
[05:06] <bioterror> what
[05:07] <stlsaint_> if anyone dares to try it here are the steps:
[05:07] <stlsaint_> 1. Right click panel and select to "Add to panel" option
[05:07] <stlsaint_> 2. Go to "Panel Applets" tab
[05:08] <stlsaint_> 3. Select in the bottom left corner next to virtual desktops the double window "iconify" icon button
[05:08] <stlsaint_> your panel should disappear along with all
[05:08] <stlsaint_> running applications left in background
[05:09] <stlsaint_> one reason why im running now with the nick: stlsaint_ instead of stlsaint
[05:09] <stlsaint_> my irc client was left hanging as i hard kill my system >:|
[05:10] <stlsaint_> if anyone else gets this same response i will file report
[05:13] <phillw> stlsaint_: I'd suggest reporting it to the mailing list.
[05:13] <stlsaint_> mailing list?
[05:14] <stlsaint_> i wouldnt file with apport or launchpad
[05:14] <stlsaint_> im actually looking on lp right now in lubuntu, i dont see how to file bug as with others
[05:15] <stlsaint_> phillw: considering i have had this panel issue with before without performing the same procedures im unsure what the specific component would be,
[05:16] <stlsaint_> i will send to mailing list now but that doesnt offer much in the way of tracking, triaging, etc
[05:16] <phillw> stlsaint_: pop it on to the mailing list
[05:16] <phillw> the devs and techie people will ask you for more details
[05:18]  * phillw bed time for this little piglet, I will see you all later
[07:15] <balsaq> is there such a thing as a lubuntu affiliation
[07:53] <hblount> hi. what is the name of the gui app that lets me search and install software?
[07:59] <JoeMaverickSett> hblount: Synaptics Package Manager or Ubuntu Software Center ?
[08:01] <hblount> oh yeah the latter. thanks
[08:01] <hblount> how do i install that?
[08:06] <bioterror> :D
[08:06] <bioterror> hblount, apt-get is all you need ;D
[08:06] <bioterror> you dont need software center ;)
[08:06] <JoeMaverickSett> hblount: in synaptics, it's called software-center. or sudo apt-get install software-center. :)
[08:06] <bioterror> I've tried that couple of times at my parents-in-law and I've been really "WTF?!"
[08:07] <JoeMaverickSett> hblount: but i'd go with bioterror though. :)
[08:07] <bioterror> JoeMaverickSett, as you always do
[08:07] <bioterror> oh my 'lil follower :D
[08:07] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: aye, sir. :P
[08:07] <bioterror> have you managed to put up that cult of bioterror's followers :D
[08:07]  * JoeMaverickSett goes back to his following as the leader is here.
[08:07] <hblount> im too noob
[08:07] <bioterror> hblount, what you want to search
[08:07] <bioterror> we can make few examples
[08:08] <bioterror> to get you up n running with apt-get
[08:08] <JoeMaverickSett> hblount: not noob, just haven't got around to getting to know yet. :)
[08:09] <hblount> and lazy :P
[08:10] <hblount> E: Package 'software-center' has no installation candidate
[08:10] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[08:10] <hblount> i tried sudo apt-get install software-center
[08:13] <JoeMaverickSett> hblount: well, if that is the case, what it is that you wanted to find or install from software center? or you just wanted the Ubuntu Software Center? :D
[08:14] <jussi> What is the name of the window manager in lxde/lubuntu?
[08:15] <hblount> i want to look at diff stuff and read about em :P
[08:17] <bioterror> jussi, Lubuntu uses OpenBox
[08:19] <bioterror> hblount, I'm trying to figure out a example for you
[08:19] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: would you suggest apt-cache show <package> to hblount 's issue? :D /me uses that even on my vanilla ubuntu.
[08:19] <bioterror> yes
[08:19] <bioterror> I use it alot
[08:20] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[08:20] <bioterror> let's say that I've been upgraded to a project manager
[08:20] <bioterror> and I have to start coordinate some projects
[08:20] <bioterror> and I'm like "hmmm... what software I could use for this..."
[08:22] <bioterror> and I can use apt-cache to show me a software with command "apt-cache search project |grep management"
[08:22] <bioterror> and I see a listing
[08:22] <bioterror> planner - project management application
[08:22] <bioterror> that sounds promising, right?
[08:22] <bioterror> then I can say "apt-cache show planner |less"
[08:22] <bioterror> and I can see something like this
[08:22] <bioterror> Description: project management application
[08:22] <bioterror>  Planner is a Project Management application that supports Gantt charts,
[08:23] <bioterror>  resource allocation and integration with other GNOME applications.
[08:23] <bioterror> and doesnt that Gannt charts sounds promising?
[08:23] <JoeMaverickSett> very promising.
[08:23] <hblount> what is the |less part?
[08:24] <bioterror> hblount, it's same as "|more" but I can scroll with pgup and pgdown
[08:24] <hblount> oh
[08:24] <bioterror> if you want to search for games
[08:25] <bioterror> you can use like "apt-cache search mmorpg
[08:25] <bioterror> "
[08:26] <hblount> cool thanks!
[08:26] <bioterror> anything else in your mind
[08:26] <hblount> which one is the thing that shows cpu temp in taskbar?
[08:26] <bioterror> if you want to find a game that's like lemmings, well, "apt-cache search lemmings"
[08:27] <bioterror> that requires lm-sensors
[08:27] <bioterror> and lubuntu doesnt have that kind of app for taskbar, AFAIK
[08:27] <bioterror> hblount, http://ricecows.org/conky.png but you can configure conky to show that statics for you
[08:30] <hblount> yeah conky cool
[08:34] <hblount> how do i install that?
[08:34] <bioterror> conky?
[08:35] <hblount> yeah
[08:35] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lm-sensors
[08:35] <bioterror> then sudo sensors-detect
[08:35] <bioterror> answer yes to all questions
[08:36] <hblount> k thx
[08:37] <bioterror> then you need to install conky
[08:37] <hblount> E: Package 'lm-sensors' has no installation candidate....whats that mean?
[08:37] <bioterror> lm-sensors - utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors
[08:37] <bioterror> hmmm
[08:39] <bioterror> hblount, did you just say "sudo apt-get install lm-sensors"?
[08:39] <JoeMaverickSett> :|
[08:41] <bioterror> Wed10:39 <bioterror> hblount, did you just say "sudo apt-get install lm-sensors"?
[08:41] <hblount> yeah
[08:41] <bioterror> that's weird
[08:43] <bioterror> hblount, is your repositories okay
[08:43] <bioterror> have you enable all the repos
[08:43] <bioterror> partners and stuff from the synaptic
[08:43] <hblount> idk. i just installed 10.10 right now with 3rd party software thing checked
[08:44] <bioterror> yeah it's called partners
[08:45] <hblount> same msg when i tried sudo apt-get install software-center
[08:46] <bioterror> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install lm-sensors
[08:47] <hblount> is this update manageer equivalent?
[08:48] <hblount> nm
[08:50] <bioterror> did you update your repository?
[08:50] <hblount> oh now it works! wtf
[08:51] <bioterror> good
[08:51] <hblount> what did i do in the 30min i've had this installed?
[08:51] <bioterror> what
[08:51] <hblount> i installed lubuntu 30min ago
[08:52] <bioterror> okay
[08:52] <bioterror> good
[08:52] <bioterror> sudo apt-get update
[08:52] <bioterror> that's usually suggested to do when you're dealing with packages
[08:52] <bioterror> as you need your repositories to be up-to-date
[08:52] <bioterror> are you now installing lm-sensors? :D
[08:54] <hblount> yeah! thanks bioterror! all nice then turn around and gas a bunch of ppl or what
[08:54] <bioterror> are we going to configure that conky for you or what's in your mind
[08:56] <hblount> Sorry, no sensors were detected.
[08:56] <hblount> This is relatively common on laptops, where thermal management is
[08:56] <bioterror> :o
[08:56] <hblount> handled by ACPI rather than the OS.
[08:56] <bioterror> what kind of laptop are you running then?
[08:56] <bioterror> or what
[08:56] <hblount> i swear i had it on here before
[08:56] <hblount> its an old acer aspire 3613
[08:57] <jussi> hblount: theres some acer modules you can install iirc
[08:57] <jussi> not sure if they are for your model though
[08:58] <hblount> i had something that was a tiny black square on the bottom right in the task bar that had green number with temp as well as little graph looking thing
[08:58] <hblount> jussi: how do i find and install acer modules?
[09:00] <jussi> !find acer
[09:01] <jussi> no bot here?
[09:01] <bioterror> !acer
[09:01] <hblount> !acer
[09:02] <jussi> Ill put her here until we get a more permanent one
[09:02] <jussi> !find acer
[09:02] <bioterror> jussi, nice
[09:03] <jussi> !info acerhk-source
[09:03] <jussi> oh, ubot5is here
[09:03] <jussi> hrrr
[09:03] <jussi> ubottu: part
[09:04] <jussi> though Ive no idea what the acerhk driver is
[09:05] <jussi> This driver will give access to the special keys on notebooks of the  Acer Travelmate series, which are not handled by the keyboard driver.
[09:05] <jussi> It also has some other related functionality (depending on the model):
[09:05] <jussi>    * controlling LEDs (Mail, Wireless)
[09:05] <jussi>    * enable/disable wireless hardware
[09:05] <hblount> dam thats diff from mine
[09:05] <jussi> hblount: mind: It also works on notebooks from other manufacturers (some Medion, Fujitsu-Siemens, Compal, Xbook...).
[09:05] <hblount> i want my horizontal scroll to work on my touchpad :P
[09:06] <jussi> see apt-cache show acerhk-source
[09:07] <hblount> i see. how do i install?
[09:08] <hblount> nm
[09:10] <hblount> wow it seems big
[09:38] <jussi> Hrm, I seem to have lost the networking applet - can someone advise me of the name of it? (ie. the command to start it from alt+f2?)
[09:39] <bioterror> nm-applet
[09:39] <jussi> oh, its using the gnome one :)
[09:40] <bioterror> yeah
[09:40] <bioterror> there's two apps
[09:40] <bioterror> it's wicd or gnome-nm-applet
[09:40] <bioterror> not that much to choose from
[09:41] <jussi> the gnome one is nice withthe presetup 3g stuff :)
[09:41] <bioterror> yes
[09:42] <bioterror> wicd is without gnome :)
[09:42] <jussi> and is lubuntu using ayatana notifications or ?
[09:43] <bioterror> dunno about that
[09:46] <jussi> ahh, its just the notification-daemon :)
[20:04] <craigbass1976> My computer is a turd, and I put LXDE on it to help speed things up.  Things are sitll slow. One item I was curious about was the gnome-system-monitor.  Why would this be running with lxde being my desktop?
[20:04] <craigbass1976> And can I safely kill it?
[20:05] <Yorvyk> yep
[20:05] <bioterror> could you please specify your situation more
[20:05] <bioterror> you've a ubuntu installation and you installed just lxde or lubuntu-desktop or what
[20:05] <craigbass1976> bioterror, It was a regular ubuntu install, then I grabbed the lubuntu-desktop
[20:05] <stlsaint> sup folks
[20:06] <stlsaint> craigbass1976: well that explains why you have gnome running! :D
[20:06] <bioterror> craigbass1976, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde
[20:07] <craigbass1976> bioterror, how different do you suppose the lucid version would be?
[20:07] <bioterror> sudo apt-get remove gnome\*
[20:07] <stlsaint> bioterror: oh thats a nice little tut
[20:07] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[20:08] <stlsaint> lol, thats one heck of a one-liner
[20:08] <bioterror> rather sudo apt-get purge :D
[20:08] <craigbass1976> meh?   all three?
[20:11] <craigbass1976> I'm looking through my bash history, and I really have no idea how lxde ended up on here in the first place; maybe it was a clean install and I junked it up afterward...
[20:12] <craigbass1976> bioterror, thanks, I'll run those and see what happens
[20:12] <bioterror> craigbass1976, keep wired connection near you
[20:12] <bioterror> if you happen to loose wlan connection or something
[20:12] <bioterror> if you're using laptop
[20:12] <bioterror> or wi-fi at all
[20:13] <craigbass1976> bioterror, I'm on a wire already.
[20:13] <bioterror> nice
[20:13] <craigbass1976> bioterror, and I probably shouldn't be in the GUI while Im doing this, should I...
[20:14] <bioterror> well
[20:14] <bioterror> doesnt matter if you're doing it from lubuntu :D
[20:14] <bioterror> but yeah
[20:14] <bioterror> I usually do it from console
[20:14] <craigbass1976> Ok; see you folks later.
[20:14] <bioterror> :)
[20:14] <bioterror> clean system he shall have
[20:15] <bioterror> I hope so
[21:33] <craigbass1976> bioterror, I'm all set now, things are a bit quicker.  Is there anyway to set spacer width?  Even at 0, it kind of fills a wide space.  I've read about turning stretch on and off, but I don't see where I can do that.
[21:33] <craigbass1976> Anyone know of a way to get four desktops in the pager, rather than two?
[21:35] <craigbass1976> Forget the first question, I see how to unstretch things
[21:37] <Yorvyk> craigbass1976, Prefs > openbox config manager > desktops
[21:38] <craigbass1976> Yorvyk, awesome.
[22:10] <h4wk> hi everyone
[22:10] <h4wk> :D
[22:11] <Yorvyk> hi
[22:12] <h4wk> I love Lubuntu and from now on I will come here more often
[22:15] <Yorvyk> h4wk, if you want to meet other Lubuntu fans go to #lubuntu-offtopic as well.  As there is usually somebody having a chat in there.
[22:15] <h4wk> thank you I will
[23:51] <haddiman> Is there a keyboard shortcut for locking the screen or a way to bind one?