[11:37] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:37] <afief> mobutu, you can, you need to install some package to do that(which is illegal in the usa)
[11:37] <cox377_> can anyone recommend a pastebin site for me to past the log
[11:37] <beginner> Pelo
[11:37] <mobutu> well crap
[11:38] <mobutu> until i move
[11:38] <mobutu> or witchery moves
[11:38] <beginner> I am quite sure the CD has no problem
[11:38] <mobutu> how does he play dvds?
[11:38] <jrib> kalam2007: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[11:38] <Steve^> cox377, pastebin.com?
[11:38] <idefixx> afief: install openssh-server connect to it with ssh
[11:38] <beginner> I downloaded the ISO twice
[11:38] <Pelo> beginner,  just check
[11:38] <witchery> Pelo the other day before i had to reinstall Ubuntu someone here told me the commands and it worked just fine, now everyone is acting like it dose not work, so i guess if you are not going to help me then you do not need to be in here and I will just reinstal xp pro and will not have to deal with all this crap
[11:38] <beginner> burn twice
[11:38] <zancik> who knows program to burn my cds?
[11:38] <lobosque> Raiders32 found it :D
[11:38] <beginner> and it installed well when I tried it on virtualbox
[11:38] <eck> !dvd > witchery
[11:38] <afief> idefixx, any configuration I need to take care of?
[11:38] <eck> witchery: see the pm from ubotu
[11:38] <beginner> so not a CD issue
[11:38] <bosnian> GUI for pppoe ?? can anyone tell me the name of that package???
[11:38] <Raiders32> :)
[11:38] <jrib> !burn > zancik (see the private message from ubotu)
[11:38] <lobosque> how do i make a shorcut to a windows exe (to be executed with wine)?
[11:38] <assasukasse> hi all, my wine menu doesn't want to show up, i tried the hell to make it show, but seems not willing, where should i look for config files needed to make it show?
[11:38] <kalam2007> jrib i already have internet explorer
[11:39] <Pelo> witchery,  when you asked me I told you I didn'T knwo the command to play vids from the command line ,   I still dont, know
[11:39] <jrib> kalam2007: you just told me two minutes ago you didn't?
[11:39] <beginner> *vmware
[11:39] <kalam2007> sorry bro i didnt knw wat ie was
[11:39] <afief> Pelo, mplayer <filename> should work, but totem is installed by default
[11:39] <jrib> kalam2007: lol, ok
[11:39] <kalam2007> jrib-so now wat should i do
[11:39] <witchery> Eck i did that already and nothing is happening
[11:39] <idefixx> afief: if you want passwordless authentication yes... afaik password authetication is enabled in ubuntu by default.. i always replace the default config, so im not really sure ;)
[11:40] <lobosque> how do i make a shortcut to a windows exe (to be executed with wine)?
[11:40] <jrib> kalam2007: ok, open a terminal
[11:40] <eck> witchery: what are you using to play the dvds?
[11:40] <mobutu> wichery:  can't you mess around with the menu in VLC and play a DVD ?
[11:40] <witchery> pelo ok
[11:40] <kalam2007> jrib ok i did
[11:40] <Pelo> lobosque, ricght click desktop,  new launcher    put in the command line   "wine /path/your.exe"  without the quotes
[11:40] <jrib> kalam2007: cd ~/.wine
[11:40] <con-man> woot. I'm upgrading to Feisty Fawn right now
[11:40] <jrib> kalam2007: tell me if you get errors
[11:40] <con-man> done downloading
[11:40] <con-man> installing now
[11:40] <idefixx> afief: but take a look at 'man sshd_config' that helps a lot.
[11:40] <lobosque> Pelo, type: application?
[11:40] <afief> idefixx, of course i want authentication, do you know a good guide or manual where i can learn about configuring it?
[11:41] <Pelo> lobosque, yeah
[11:41] <Raiders32> lobosque:  right click on the desktop, select "Create launcher"
[11:41] <sorl_> in the latest rhythmbox, how to remove that big ugly cd envelope?
[11:41] <afief> idefixx, okay I guess you answered that before I asked:D thanks
[11:41] <cox377_> would it be possible for someone to look at my azureus error log and try and work out whats gone wrong?
[11:41] <Pelo> Raiders32,  we've done that already
[11:41] <witchery> eck nothing right now because im trying to figure what to put in the command line in the removable media tab
[11:41] <mobutu> does installing automatix on Feisty work ?
[11:41] <olivia> Hello, I have a problem with ubuntu 7.04 and my  Intel 82801G Audio chipset...everything seems to work (alsa..) but I have absolutely no sound coming from the speakers...help, anyone?
[11:41] <Pelo> cox377,  go and ask for help on this in #azureus-support
[11:41] <kalam2007> its said bash: cd~/.wine: No such file or directory
[11:41] <afief> !sound > olivia
[11:41] <Pelo> !sound > olivia  check your pm window
[11:42] <idefixx> afief: no that wasnt what i meant... of course you have got authentication... but ssh provides differnent ways to authenticate to the server keyfiles, passwords or both... just google it - its a common issue
[11:42] <eck> witchery: i believe the default setting (totem %m) will work fine, you can also use mplayer or vlc (or somethingelse) if you prefer one of those applicatoins
[11:42] <kalam2007> jrib- dis wat comes bro>bash: cd~/.wine: No such file or directory
[11:42] <lobosque> Pelo, the path has spaces... what should i do?
[11:42] <Pelo> kalam2007,   run  winecfg first
[11:42] <cox377_> Pelo: good thinking brains
[11:42] <afief> idefixx, okay I will
[11:42] <Raiders32> lobosque:  in the "command" text box type:  wine "C:\Program Files\[path to your executable] "
[11:42] <Pelo> lobosque,  hmmm,  I donT know  go and ask in #winehq
[11:42] <witchery> eck thank you i will see if that works
[11:42] <kalam2007> dude jus tell me exactly what to write
[11:43] <jrib> kalam2007: run 'winecfg'
[11:43] <lobosque> Pelo, the path is like directory/directory with space/directory2
[11:43] <kalam2007>  i got it
[11:43] <Kordite> Pelo: the link you pointed to seems similar except that I don't have any error or message when the shutdown fails. It just stops at a splash screen. Of course, holding down the power button shuts it off, so in and of itself the shutdown isn't the problem. The real grief is that it will not boot back up.
[11:43] <jrib> kalam2007: try 'cd ~/.wine' again
[11:43] <jlilly> hey guys. still having trouble with my sound from this morning. From what we've determined (theCore), the drivers are correct and the device *should* be working, it's just not.
[11:43] <Pelo> lobosque,  try it as is and see if it works
[11:43] <Lawnmowe1> Anyone, I'm looking for a gnome applet that shows the IP address who?
[11:43] <idefixx> !automatix | mobutu
[11:43] <ubotu> mobutu: Automatix2 is a proprietary script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[11:43] <kalam2007> i got it wine configuration pop out
[11:43] <Pelo> Kordite,  try the solution anyway, it can't realy hurt
[11:43] <jrib> kalam2007: k, close that
[11:43] <lobosque> Pelo it dont, because it has spaces
[11:44] <kalam2007> jrib-ok i did
[11:44] <jrib> kalam2007: ok, no error?
[11:44] <Steve^> Lawnmowe1, if you have the networking icon in your system tray, right click and that and go to connection information
[11:44] <Pelo> Lawnmowe1, I think  netspeed will do it , and there are gdesklets who will do it to
[11:44] <kalam2007> ijrib-no
[11:44] <kuma_> is there anyway to find the biggest folder in the root folder?
[11:44] <jrib> kalam2007: what does 'pwd' say now?
[11:44] <m4t> use du
[11:44] <Steve^> Lawnmowe1, or use ifconfig
[11:44] <jrib> kuma_: use du and sort?
[11:45] <RedFoxy> ciao figlioli
[11:45] <kalam2007> dis wat comeswine: creating configuration directory '/home/kalam/.wine'...
[11:45] <kalam2007> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x42
[11:45] <kalam2007> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x42
[11:45] <kalam2007> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x42
[11:45] <kalam2007> Failed to open the service control manager.
[11:45] <RedFoxy> red e' tornato!
[11:45] <kalam2007> fixme:ole:ITypeInfo_fnRelease destroy child objects
[11:45] <Pelo> lobosque, ...  try making a symlink at a convinient place and point the launcher to that instead
[11:45] <kalam2007> wine: '/home/kalam/.wine' created successfully.
[11:45] <kalam2007> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x42
[11:45] <kalam2007> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x42
[11:45] <kalam2007> kalam@kalam-desktop:~$
[11:45] <Kordite> Pelo: Kind of hard to try the solution when the PC will not boot. I'll have to try yet another clean install.
[11:45] <Lawnmowe1> Steve^ found that one but I need to show it all ways
[11:45] <Pelo> !paste > kalam2007
[11:45] <m4t> or u could list in detail in nautilus
[11:45] <GenNMX> kalam2007: Pasting is not allowed here
[11:45] <Steve^> Lawnmowe1, just like it shows the time?
[11:45] <m4t> and sort by size
[11:45] <Lawnmowe1> Yup
[11:45] <kalam2007> sorry
[11:45] <jrib> kalam2007: ok, 'cd ~/.wine'
[11:45] <etzerd> Hello all
[11:46] <Steve^> Lawnmowe1, sorry, no idea
[11:46] <etzerd> ?
[11:46] <RedFoxy> raga need help con bluetooth! non riesco ad usare il mio auricolare bluetooth!
[11:46] <Pelo> Kordite, that's the best I can do for you , I am sorry,  I,m just a user maybe one of the other know's how to fix your problem but I don't sorry
[11:46] <d0lph1nK1ng> on feisty, how do i make eclipse use the java 1.5
[11:46] <kalam2007> ok i did
[11:46] <Lawnmowe1> Steve^, thanks anyway :)
[11:46] <idefixx> !es | RedFoxy
[11:46] <ubotu> RedFoxy: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:46] <kalam2007> jrib-den wat
[11:46] <Steve^> d0lph1nK1ng, it's not in the eclipse options somewhere?
[11:46] <RedFoxy> ops sorry
[11:46] <RedFoxy> wornge configurations ^^
[11:46] <jrib> kalam2007: mkdir fonts
[11:46] <jlilly> theCore: You around?
[11:46] <idefixx> !it | RedFoxy
[11:46] <ubotu> RedFoxy: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:46] <idefixx> opps :)
[11:47] <kalam2007> jrib-ok i did
[11:47] <RedFoxy> hey boys... i0've a trouble with bluetooth and my headset... who can help me?
[11:47] <ElectricScript> Help me =\
[11:47] <my_haz> is there a way to limit the amount of CPU frequency a process can take? Like "nice" but just limit the CPU as shown by "TOP"
[11:48] <Pelo> ElectricScript,  with what ?
[11:48] <bashar_> hello
[11:48] <kalam2007> jrib-wat should i do
[11:48] <eck> my_haz: maybe with pam limits?
[11:48] <Steve^> ElectricScript, help you do what?
[11:48] <kalam2007> can some 1 tell me wer i could drag ma font ttf. file to
[11:48] <evilfourzero> <3 Ubuntu. Thanks to everyone who helped develop it :)
[11:48] <jrib> kalam2007: now 'nautilus fonts' and copy the .ttf you have on your desktop in there
[11:48] <ElectricScript> Why when I use GIMP, I try to color swomething, it doesn't color
[11:48] <Pelo> kalam2007,   /home/user/.fonts
[11:49] <eck> my_haz: if not with that i'd imagine it isn't possible wioutth some patched kernel
[11:49] <idefixx> my_haz: i know there is a packed cpulimit in debian.. never tried it though
[11:49] <jrib> Pelo: this is for wine
[11:49] <Steve^> ElectricScript, you have no selections? You're on the right layer? The layer isn't locked?
[11:49] <ElectricScript> Steve^: Layer?
[11:49] <idefixx> my_haz: but im with eck on the kernel patch thing
[11:49] <GrooveStix> hey folks
[11:49] <Steve^> ElectricScript, I think you need to find a tutorial or something :P
[11:49] <GrooveStix> I am installing Ubuntu through the alternate way
[11:49] <Pelo> ElectricScript,  #gimp for help with thegimp
[11:49] <monkey_> heh from the automatix faq
[11:49] <kuma_> how can i write the stdout to a file?
[11:49] <monkey_>  Is Automatix2 safe? Folks in #ubuntu on IRC keep telling me it isn't.
[11:49] <monkey_>     * Yes, it is perfectly safe. Thousands of users worldwide use Automatix2 every day without any issues. If you think you have run into any issues related to Automatix, please report to our forums to get quick and high quality support.
[11:50] <kalam2007> jrib-ok idid
[11:50] <GrooveStix> should I use "LVM" partitioning?
[11:50] <jrib> !offtopic | monkey_
[11:50] <ubotu> monkey_: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[11:50] <GrooveStix> or why should I use it?
[11:50] <Steve^> kuma_, ./myprog > out
[11:50] <jrib> kalam2007: now try IE again
[11:50] <aoirthoir> GrooveStix, lvm partitioning allows you to dynamically change your partitions.
[11:50] <kuma_> Steve^: no, i meant, i run a command (for example ls) and want to store the response into a file
[11:50] <witchery> eck it opens the player but all there is is just a blank screen
[11:50] <kalam2007> jrib....same oh thing
[11:50] <idefixx> !automatix | monkey_
[11:50] <ubotu> monkey_: Automatix2 is a proprietary script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[11:50] <aoirthoir> GrooveStix, with an LVM, the underlying is a standard partition (say ext3)
[11:51] <aoirthoir> GrooveStix, but then LVM is built on top of that..and allows for fancy things
[11:51] <Steve^> kuma_,  ls > out  :)
[11:51] <eck> witchery: do you have mplayer installed?
[11:51] <jrib> kalam2007: click on the email link at the bottom of the page then and ask them if they know how to get it to work in firefox
[11:51] <kuma_> Steve^ that would create me a "out" file?
[11:51] <aoirthoir> GrooveStix, for instance it allows you to split any part of the file system (say /usr /home as examples) across multiple physical partitions
[11:51] <Pelo> later folks
[11:51] <Steve^> kuma_, yup
[11:51] <witchery> eck yes
[11:51] <kuma_> Steve^ thanks
[11:51] <kalam2007> jrib-ok bro thankz alot for your help
[11:51] <GrooveStix> okay
[11:51] <eck> witchery: if you do, if you try to play the dvd from the command line in mplayer it will print out a bunch of text to the terminal that would indicated any problems
[11:52] <aoirthoir> GrooveStix, so lets say you had 3 200 gig hard drives...you could make them logically appear to be one gigantic 600gb /home partition
[11:52] <GrooveStix> I see, so it's an "advanced user" type od partitioning
[11:52] <aoirthoir> GrooveStix, definitely
[11:52] <aoirthoir> GrooveStix, and if you arent going to have the need to resize..(if you are just a home user or desktop user) lvm probably isnt for you
[11:52] <idefixx> GrooveStix: if you dont know what lvm means you'll probably not need it :)
[11:52] <witchery> eck it is just a blank screen meaning it just hangs
[11:53] <GrooveStix> alright, that means it's not for this computer
[11:53] <eck> witchery: i think you just run mplayer dvd:// or something like that (i don't actually have a dvd player so i'm not positive)
[11:53] <kalam_07> hey i need help
[11:53] <hendrixski> is there a way to get tablet PC's to rotate the screen the same way they do in Windows?
[11:53] <aoirthoir> GrooveStix, but if you had lots of users...you could use lvm to grow your 240 gig /home dir to say 600 gig if you suddenly had an influx of users.
[11:53] <eck> witchery: do it from the console so you can see the text that it prints out
[11:53] <aoirthoir> idefixx, holler:)
[11:53] <GrooveStix> naah, it's a home pc
[11:53] <witchery> eck please tell me how
[11:53] <kalam2007> jrib-wat is my problem again so i could ask dem to help me
[11:53] <idefixx> aoirthoir: hi!
[11:53] <GrooveStix> which I plan to use it as a Boinc Machine
[11:53] <eck> witchery: as i said before, mplayer dvd://
[11:53] <eck> that is the command
[11:54] <hendrixski> my tablet PC won't change its screen direction :-(
[11:54] <klaxian> how can i test whether network manager is connected or not?
[11:54] <aoirthoir> GrooveStix, well fedora 5? installed it on my system automatically (this was before I knew what lvm was) and when I booted the puppy linux live cd..i could not read the partitions and I was like DANG redhat for using a proprietary format :) <<egg on face.
[11:54] <klaxian> by test i mean test in a shell script
[11:54] <hendrixski> and I tried the xrandr command... it errors out
[11:54] <jrib> kalam2007: tell them the fonts do not display correctly in firefox (both in windows and linux).  Take a screenshot of what happens and put it on imageshack, then give them a link in the email
[11:54] <GrooveStix> :))
[11:54] <aoirthoir> GrooveStix, now of course I know better...thinking back on my understanding back then makes me laugh.
[11:55] <eck> klaxian: it has a dbus interface, so it's probably not possible (or at least not easy) to do from a shell script
[11:55] <GrooveStix> oh I am new
[11:55] <eck> klaxian: i would just test the output of ifconfig or route
[11:55] <klaxian> eck: well i'm trying to have an ssh tunnel created upon login
[11:55] <idefixx> klaxian: i usually grep something from ifconfig.. thats crap tough - but works :)
[11:55] <GrooveStix> I tried using Ubuntu on my laptop! although I learned it's still work in progress
[11:55] <kalam2007> ok thanks wer is tha email so i could email it to dem
[11:56] <witchery> eck do you know if fedora core 4 or 5 will play DVD's
[11:56] <jrib> kalam2007: all the way at the bottom of the page, they have a sentence in english
[11:56] <eck> klaxian: maybe you can just sleep the script for a bit and then let ssh try to connect, and if it fails then it just exits
[11:56] <aoirthoir> GrooveStix, i am running ubuntu on my laptop:) ..i am considering trying debian etch.
[11:56] <klaxian> eck: that's what i tried, but it never connects no matter how long i sleep
[11:56] <kalam2007> wer
[11:57] <eck> witchery: it should be basically the same with them (install libdvdcss or whatever it is called, and then it just works)
[11:57] <etzerd> how can I add additional wallpaper for Gnome desktop?
[11:57] <aoirthoir> eck, Ive done all that...dvds dont work with me:)
[11:57] <klaxian> unless gnome-session-manager can't run full command line syntax
[11:57] <GrooveStix> I might try that. I mean what's the next best thing after Ubuntu?
[11:57] <klaxian> perhaps i can run a shell script
[11:57] <compengi> klaxian, what's you problem?
[11:57] <aoirthoir> GrooveStix, Ubuntu is based on Debian.
[11:57] <bruenig> GrooveStix, I like zenwalk, you should give that a try
[11:58] <klaxian> compengi: i want to have an ssh tunnel created upon login but it needs to prompt me for my passphrase
[11:58] <aoirthoir> GrooveStix, http://www.distrowatch.com/  ...although puppy is still one of my favorite distros.
[11:58] <idefixx> aoirthoir: i cam from etch just a week or two ago... for an easy desktop system stay with ubuntu. i like it better than debian for a ws.. even though deb is on all my server
[11:58] <eck> klaxian: are you sure it is a connectivity issue? maybe your ssh key just isnt' loaded properly
[11:58] <mehow> When ever i try to override the restriction files it cant download all the files... How do i do this with out all the files download?
[11:58] <eck> klaxian: use libpam-ssh
[11:58] <klaxian> eck: ok i'll try that
[11:58] <GrooveStix> I'll check'em out
[11:58] <aoirthoir> idefixx, aye I keep getting different reports. Lots of folks are telling me they went from ubuntu to debian and its easier.
[11:58] <GrooveStix> I've been getting to many BSODs!
[11:59] <GrooveStix> lately
[11:59] <aoirthoir> idefixx, I am going to experiment.
[11:59] <aoirthoir> bsod?
[11:59] <eck> klaxian: your ssh key passphrase will have to be the same as your login passphrase
[11:59] <dooglus> what's the recommended way of setting up some windows shares on a feisty box?
[11:59] <compengi> klaxian, why do you need it at the start up? you can do that from the terminal
[11:59] <TECH_1> etzerd....same as windows pretty mutch.
[11:59] <eck> klaxian: incidentally you might want to use libpam-keyring as well
[11:59] <pipegeek> hi ho
[11:59] <mehow> When ever i try to override the restriction files it cant download all the files... How do i do this with out all the files download?
[11:59] <aoirthoir> hi pipegeek
[11:59] <joeamined> hi
[12:00] <joeamined> where can i get dvd cover for ununtu feisty ??
[12:00] <joeamined> ubuntu
[12:00] <compengi> joeamined, google is your best friend :D
[12:00] <GrooveStix> thanks a lot folks! off I go installing! and watching he-man!
[12:01] <compengi> GrooveStix, hard luck
[12:01] <idefixx> aoirthoir: well i just want desktop systems that works out of the box. even though i really love debian it on all my 6 nas servers @home and i try to sell it to every single customer i can :)
[12:01] <aoirthoir> later GrooveStix ..holler g. and good luck.
[12:01] <etzerd> I did right click the right mouse, but you don't have an option like KDE where you can add additional wallpaper by downloading them on line


[05:43] <klerfayt> just that craeting .asoundrc isn't an easy job
[05:43] <visik7> not easily IIRC
[05:43] <tomplast> also there is this annoying logout-bug
[05:44] <klerfayt> visik7: I'm going to try it
[05:44] <tomplast> sometimes everything just turns black when you try to logout or shutdown
[05:44] <tomplast> im using dapper drake btw
[05:44] <visik7> Tombuntu: /j #ubuntu+1
[05:45] <OutoLumo> Hi!
[05:45] <DeadS0ul> jorik : k9copy
[05:45] <OutoLumo> I would need some advice with scanning...
[05:47] <OutoLumo> Namely: My Epson Perfection 1260 Scanner is connected to USB, (according to KInfoCenter) but kooka cannot find it.
[05:48] <OutoLumo> I have libsane 1.0.15-9ubuntu6 installed.
[05:49] <OutoLumo> Also: gimp-quiteinsane can't find it.
[05:49] <OutoLumo> Any ideas?
[05:54] <OutoLumo> I guess I should enable the plustek backend somehow... But how?
[05:55] <klerfayt> visik7: I failed with .asoundrc still no sound in flash then something else is using alsa
[05:55] <OutoLumo> I do have the plustek backend installed - at least locate finds the files from appropriate place.
[05:58] <OutoLumo> modprobe scanner
[05:58] <OutoLumo> FATAL: Module scanner not found.
[05:59] <OutoLumo> Any ideas on that?
[05:59] <OutoLumo> (Running Breezy)
[05:59] <OutoLumo> bbl
[06:03] <visik7> klerfayt: is the same problem for me have u try to use aoss ?
[06:04] <bram85> hi, where is the option "View Properties Saved in Folder" in Konqueror. on non-kubuntus it's in the Settings menu
[06:04] <klerfayt> visik7: I don't care really. too complicated issue to try fixing it
[06:11] <txus> hi
[06:12] <txus> can anybody help me
[06:12] <txus> ?
[06:12] <txus> i ve a kubuntu dapper distribution
[06:12] <txus> fligh 6
[06:13] <txus> when i set the screensaver timer
[06:13] <txus> doest start start the screensaver
[06:14] <txus> but it work well when i push probe..
[06:14] <txus> sorry for my english :(...
[06:15] <txus> anyone with the same problem????
[06:17] <faster> hello
[06:19] <txus> hi
[06:29] <prashantk76> divx for xubuntu
[06:30] <txus> try to install w32codecs
[06:30] <prashantk76> ok cool thanks
[06:44] <cow_2001> it says that amarok 1.4 was released but doesn't warns about the lack of engines
[06:45] <CyberSix> they only support 2 engines now, i believe, and the amarok page does warn about it
[06:46] <cow_2001> it doesn't say there are no updated versions on the apt source
[06:46] <cow_2001> of the engines
[06:46] <jpgeerets> hi folks
[06:47] <jpgeerets> someone online?
[06:47] <jpgeerets> i have a dvd/firewire Q
[06:47] <cow_2001> i am, but you probably don't want any deal with me
[06:47] <jpgeerets> why i want any deal with you cow_2001 ?
[06:47] <jpgeerets> r u that bad?
[06:47] <jpgeerets> ;-)
[06:48] <cow_2001> maybe
[06:48] <cow_2001> jpgeerets, i just joined this channel only to complain
[06:48] <cow_2001> jpgeerets, it's not a nice behaviour
[06:48] <jpgeerets> well, if complain is good, then i think someone may complain
[06:49] <jpgeerets> i have a problem with an external dvd+/-RW
[06:49] <jpgeerets> when i want to connect it with firewaite
[06:51] <cow_2001> so really, there are no updated engines for amarok 1.4 in the apt source, you should warn about it
[06:53] <CyberSix> that's an amarok problem
[06:54] <seawolf__> hi all
[06:55] <prashantk76> i have one more problem my laptop display turn off after 3 min (if i work with mouse) i am using Xubuntu
[06:57] <cow_2001> CyberSix, but the packages amarok is dependant on are not there, which makes the amarok 1.4 package broken
[06:58] <cow_2001> i mean, it installs flawlessly, but the software itself is broken
[06:58] <CyberSix> odd, it works for me..
[06:58] <cow_2001> oh...
[06:58] <cow_2001> what engine are you using?
[06:59] <CyberSix> lemme check
[07:00] <CyberSix> oh, my bad, i'm still using 1.3, i didn't upgrade, as it isn't fully supported yet
[07:02] <larrywells> anyone previews the new Kubuntu??
[07:04] <larrywells> Dapper?
[07:04] <HymnToLife> lots of people I think
[07:04] <HymnToLife> !dapper
[07:04] <ubotu> **** News Flash **** Dapper has its own channel #ubuntu+1 please join there for dapper (the beta of the next release) configuration, install,  or other conversation, dapper will be in #ubuntu starting 1st of june :-) But not until than
[07:06] <larrywells> Thanks
[07:08] <mrfishhat> hi
[07:08] <mrfishhat> i updated to dapper last night
[07:08] <mrfishhat> and i was wondering
[07:09] <mrfishhat> why it wont let me apt-get amarok?
[07:20] <Cloud_tm> WHAT MAKES YOU ALL PREFER KUBUNTU OVER UBUNTU?
[07:21] <klerfayt> Cloud_tm: menu editor?
[07:21] <klerfayt> Cloud_tm: I'm used to kde
[07:22] <Cloud_tm> what does menu editor do?
[07:22] <klerfayt> Cloud_tm: it was a stupid joke
[07:23] <Cloud_tm> :d
[07:23] <CyberSix> what makes one prefer a binary distro over a source one? ;p
[07:23] <Cloud_tm> you guys are laid back compare dto the ubuntu channel
[07:23] <Cloud_tm> :)
[07:23] <CyberSix> are they nazis? ;p
[07:23] <Cloud_tm> why?
[07:24] <Cloud_tm> lol
[07:24] <Chousuke> CyberSix: I trust the distro guys to know which compiler flags work and which don't.
[07:24] <CyberSix> but the fun is in finding out for yourself ;]
[07:24] <Chousuke> The performance gain you get from compiling yourself is negligible, so to me, it's just an added bother.
[07:24] <klerfayt> CyberSix: I have no idea what is source although I tried to learn about it
[07:24] <OutoLumo> re
[07:25] <CyberSix> i use em all.. hehe
[07:25] <Chousuke> CyberSix: not really. I can read manuals if I want to know such things. :)
[07:25] <CyberSix> currently running gentoo, kubuntu, pcbsd and freebsd, and they're all great
[07:26] <CyberSix> and looking for a way to get os x x86 onto an old lappy.. ;p
[07:26] <OutoLumo> Hmm... why is there no scanner module in ubuntu breezy kernel?
[07:26] <Chousuke> scanner module?
[07:27] <Chousuke> aren't those handled in userspace?
[07:27] <OutoLumo> yes
[07:27] <Chousuke> see the SANE packages.
[07:27] <OutoLumo> I've looked at them...
[07:28] <OutoLumo> I've been trying to use kooka, but I can't get the scanner recognised.
[07:28] <CyberSix> anything in dmesg when you plug it in?
[07:28] <OutoLumo> It should use the plustek backend. What do I need to do in order to detect it?
[07:29] <klerfayt> visik7: it's so simple!
[07:29] <klerfayt> visik7: thee is that tom?
[07:30] <klerfayt> visik7: *there
[07:30] <OutoLumo> dmesg: "usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5"
[07:30] <klerfayt> visik7: you need alsa-oss   and   kdesu kate /etc/firefox/firefoxrc   FIREFOX_DSP="aoss"
[07:31] <neoncode> i'm on a live CD, is it save to use this to backup a partion on my internal HDD to an external backup drive?
[07:31] <OutoLumo> kinfocenter tells that the in the usb-bus is EPSON scanner.
[07:31] <klerfayt> visik7: no need to mess around with asoundrc!
[07:32] <OutoLumo> SANE docs tell that this type is complitely supported by the plustek backend. There are plustek files in the system.
[07:32] <Cloud_tm> hmmm
[07:34] <OutoLumo> However, neither kooka nor quiteinsane (Gimp) recognise the scanner.
[07:35] <OutoLumo> (At least out of the box. They don't seem to recognise any local scanners (there is only this one).)
[07:36] <OutoLumo> ANy ideas?
[07:38] <fek> is a mirror of mirror.cc.columbia.edu available?
[07:38] <OutoLumo> sane-find-scanner reports: "No USB scanners found. If you expected something different, make sure that you have loaded a driver for your USB host controller and have installed a ernel scanner module."
[07:39] <OutoLumo> This is to say, that according to documentation in the SANE packages, there should be a kernel scanner module. However, for ubuntu system, this beats me.
[07:40] <CyberSix> it's possib;e your particular scanner is not supported, or has no module compiled
[07:41] <mart> does oo.o work on 64 bit for anyone?  it starts here, but I can't get - for example - the file->open dialog box to work.
[07:41] <mart> sorry, this is maybe a question for #ubuntu+1, as I'm on dapper.
[07:42] <CyberSix> i don't have anything 64 bit anyway.. hehe
[07:43] <OutoLumo> CyberSix: According to SANE documentation, it is complitely supported, and it works fine in my own computer (which runs dapper, and is located 3 miles from here...)
[07:44] <CyberSix> OutoLumo: maybe try an lsmod command to see what modules are loaded, and compare them?
[07:44] <OutoLumo> Cyber, done that, no use.
[07:45] <CyberSix> no use, as in they are identical?
[07:49] <OutoLumo> compare them with what? I've looked at the lsmod list, and there was nothing useful.
[07:49] <andreas___> Ein freundliches Hallo in die illustre Runde  :-)
[07:50] <Snake__> !de
[07:50] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu oder Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de oder #edubuntu-de
[07:50] <OutoLumo> As well have I looked at any modules I've found in the filesystem (/lib/modules) and that was in vain too...
[07:50] <andreas___> Hmm .. bin ich etwas schon drinn???
[07:51] <stamen81> hi
[07:51] <andreas___> Hi stamen81
[07:51] <stamen81> I have a problem with NVIDIA
[07:52] <stamen81> who can help me
[07:52] <andreas___> Whats hapen stam??
[07:52] <Snake__> andreas___: Dieses ist eine englische Fhrung, wenig sprechen Deutsches hier, folglich, warum ich einen bersetzer benutzen mute:)
[07:52] <stamen81> I have installed the drivers from the NVIDIA web site
[07:52] <jpatrick> Snake__: whatever the hell that means
[07:52] <stamen81> and what happend now
[07:52] <stamen81> when I started the X
[07:53] <Snake__> jpatrick: :)
[07:53] <stamen81> the fonts are smaller than before
[07:53] <stamen81> I can't start amarok
[07:53] <stamen81> or mplayer
[07:53] <stamen81> and the kcontrol crachesh when I go to screnn saver section
[07:53] <stamen81> the screen goes black
[07:54] <stamen81> and I can't see anything
[07:54] <Snake__> jpatrick: I was telling him hardly anyone here speaks english
[07:54] <Snake__> err...
[07:54] <Snake__> german
[07:54] <Snake__> :)
[07:54] <jpatrick> Snake__: lol
[07:54] <stamen81> I changed the graphic card from ATI to NVIDIa
[07:54] <stamen81> so what to do
[07:54] <OutoLumo> CyberSix: To be more specific: There is no "scanner" module in /lib/modules/X.XX/kernel/drivers/ that is referenced in the sane documentation. The usbcore module is present.
[07:54] <stamen81> andreas
[07:55] <Snake__> stamen81: he stepped out
[07:55] <stamen81> :(
[07:55] <stamen81> could you help me Snake
[07:55] <stamen81> tell me what to do
[07:55] <Snake__> stamen81: Whats your issues?
[07:55] <Snake__> Then ill tell you :)
[07:56] <stamen81> what you mean with issues
[07:56] <Snake__> stamen81: what problems are you having? What do you need help with
[07:56] <stamen81> Snake__,  I wrote the problems
[07:57] <stamen81> read them
[07:57] <stamen81> :)
[07:57] <Snake__> stamen81: are you trying to get nvidias video drivers? (I assume?)
[07:58] <stamen81> I got them
[07:58] <stamen81> from the web site
[07:58] <stamen81> the setup tell me that all was compiled
[07:58] <stamen81> and working
[07:59] <stamen81> the xorg.conf was preconfigures
[07:59] <Snake__> okay
[07:59] <Snake__> soo wheres the problem? :)
[08:01] <obscurite> hmm, in kmail every other email in the message list is black and i can't see the text
[08:01] <obscurite> any ideas?
[08:01] <stamen81> Snake__,  the problem is in this that I can't watch movies
[08:01] <stamen81> I cant load mplayer, amarok
[08:02] <stamen81> and I cant set up my screen saver
[08:02] <mart> obscurite: kmail uses the kde colour scheme, check K menu->System Settings->Appearance->colors
[08:02] <stamen81> the screen goes blank when I try to change the screen saver
[08:02] <stamen81> Snake__,  and the fonts are very small and hard to read
[08:03] <stamen81> when I was with ATI they were OK
[08:03] <mart> obscurite: see the "Alternate" entry in widget colour pull-down box.
[08:03] <stamen81> but now sucks
[08:03] <stamen81> what to do
[08:03] <Snake__> stamen81: what kind of movies? dvds?
[08:03] <obscurite> i had to select keramik color scheme to match keramik theme
[08:03] <obscurite> why can't it do that automagically :P
[08:03] <Snake__> stamen81: and I dont know about the fonts
[08:03] <stamen81> which drivers are the best for now and working corectrly for NVIDIA and where I can find them
[08:03] <obscurite> if i'm using a theme, don't i want colors that actually work with that theme
[08:04] <Snake__> !nvidia
[08:04] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:04] <Snake__> Ehh
[08:04] <stamen81> I want my system to work again perfectly
[08:04] <OutoLumo> "mount -t usbdevfs none /proc/bus/usb" returns "mount: unknown filesystem type 'usbdevfs'" What should I do?
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> OutoLumo mount -t usbfs
[08:05] <obscurite> anyone running kubuntu on 512mb or less?
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> obscrite: Too slow on 256Mb (I am running kanotix fine on that though with kde)
[08:07] <h3sp4wn> obscrite: xubuntu is fast on 256Mb also
[08:07] <Snake__> obscurite: im runnin it on a P3 with 512
[08:07] <OutoLumo> h3sp4wn: usbfs is mounted...
[08:07] <OutoLumo> obscurite: I am.
[08:07] <obscurite> snake - cool. how many apps do you run at once?
[08:08] <Snake__> obscurite: right now I have yakuake + screen + irssi running for IRC, Kopete, amarok, klipper, and firefox
[08:08] <Snake__> speed is fine
[08:08] <obscurite> snake - cool
[08:08] <obscurite> kde4 is supposed to be more effecient right?
[08:08] <Snake__> Not sure, I doubt it
[08:09] <Snake__> KDE is a eye candystory
[08:09] <Snake__> candystore**
[08:09] <h3sp4wn> Obscurite: sorry I was looking at the wrong screen mount -t procbususb (if you are using dapper)
[08:09] <mart> obscurite: heh, well it's more efficient for somethings... but since it doesn't exist yet, it's hard to make comment
[08:09] <OutoLumo> h3sp4wn: breezy, in fact, but ty :-)
[08:10] <obscurite> mart - that makes it super light weight
[08:10] <Snake__> obscurite: if you want effiecent, check into xfce
[08:10] <h3sp4wn> OutoLumo: I thought it was mounted by default in breezy
[08:10] <mart> obscurite: there's a page on the kde wiki about to improve performance
[08:10] <obscurite> snake - i tried xubuntu for a day and was put off
[08:10] <obscurite> mart - yeah, been meaning to read that
[08:10] <mart> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Performance%20Tips
[08:11] <uwo> hi all. followed wiki on compiling ffmpeg to encode video for ipod (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/iPodVideoEncoding?highlight=%28ipod%29). the new ffmpeg however works only with sudo, without i get "bash: /usr/bin/ffmpeg: No such file or directory". why?
[08:11] <uwo> with sudo it works normally. how could i get it to work without sudo, so i could create a script?
[08:14] <macd> uwo: set it suid
[08:28] <obscurite> anyone know how to make the clock display 12 hour time format?
[08:30] <jpatrick> obscurite: good question
[08:30] <obscurite> jpatrick haha
[08:32] <obscurite> ahh, figured it out
[08:32] <jpatrick> how?
[08:33] <obscurite> well it didn't take effect yet, but right clock on clock, then date and time format. time and dates tab - select date format with AM/PM
[08:33] <kronoz> !easysource
[08:33] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:33] <crazy_penguin> evening!
[08:33] <kronoz> evening crazy_penguin
[08:33] <jpatrick> obscurite: ah, cool
[08:34] <kronoz> hey that tab autocomplete thing from BASH also works in konversation
[08:34] <jpatrick> yep
[08:36] <uwo> macd: how do i set it suid?
[08:51] <lwizardl> hi
[08:53] <lwizardl> can someone point me to a page for sharing a folder between ubuntu pc's
[08:55] <apokryphos> lwizardl: no idea if there's a better way, but what I recommend doing is having a shared folder on one PC, then settings up ssh keys and having a link on desktop to
[08:56] <apokryphos> fish://username@ip/some/folders
[08:56] <apokryphos> if you wanted to confine the other users to only that folders, then you could set up a new user for them to log in under
[08:57] <lwizardl> apokryphos, ok thats sounds to be a decent secure way to do it
[08:57] <apokryphos> quite easy too
[08:57] <lwizardl> wanna explain ?
[08:57] <apokryphos> lwizardl: I can walk you through it if you like, I guess
[08:57] <jpatrick> !tell ferronica about sources
[08:58] <uwo> still q:  ffmpeg works only with sudo, without i get  "bash: /usr/bin/ffmpeg: No such file or directory". i want it to run without sudo (no password) i was told to set it suid. what does this mean?
[08:58] <lwizardl> ok in main channel or in pm?
[08:58] <uwo> how do i do this i mean?
[08:58] <apokryphos> lwizardl: should be fine here, I guess, not too long.
[08:58] <lwizardl> ok
[09:00] <apokryphos> lwizardl: there's quite a few decent ones out there, but this is a quick n' dirty one and should be fine http://hacks.oreilly.com/pub/h/66
[09:07] <apokryphos> lwizardl: lmk when that's done
[09:09] <uwo> has anyone here managed to transfer videos to ipod video. need a hint...
[09:11] <Bizzeh> are play4sure (MTP) devices supported in kubuntu?
[09:12] <trym> what is the name of that app launcher that looks like the one in osx ?
[09:12] <apokryphos> !katapult
[09:12] <ubotu> somebody said katapult was an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. When splash screen appears, type the command you want.
[09:12] <trym> well more like an application bar
[09:13] <trym> the one where the icon expands when you mouseover
[09:13] <apokryphos> trym: what?
[09:13] <uwo> trym: starterbar theme with (super)karamba
[09:14] <trym> hmm
[09:14] <apokryphos> ohh, a dock
[09:14] <apokryphos> trym: kxdocker and ksmoothdock are the most popular ones
[09:14] <trym> great :) anyone know which one is best to use with xgl/compiz ?
[09:15] <apokryphos> worth trying both, I guess
[09:15] <apokryphos> kxdocker is in the repositories,I believe
[09:15] <apokryphos> ksmoothdock is available from...
[09:15] <apokryphos> !ksmoothdock
[09:15] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, apokryphos
[09:15] <apokryphos> hm
[09:15] <lwizardl> apokryphos, ok
[09:15] <apokryphos> !nalioth
[09:15] <ubotu> methinks nalioth is nalioth's repos at http://nalioth.hostdestroyer.com
[09:16] <lwizardl> apokryphos, done that
[09:16] <apokryphos> there
[09:16] <apokryphos> lwizardl: ok, is it set up and working properly?
[09:16] <lwizardl> well i have the ssh keys
[09:17] <apokryphos> lwizardl: if all the instructions were followed, in a terminal there now try to type "ssh username@otherserver"
[09:17] <apokryphos> if it logins passwordless then they're set up properly
[09:17] <apokryphos> (presuming you set no password for the ssh keys)
[09:22] <Bizzeh> ok, im missing just a few small things for me to switch from xp to kubuntu
[09:23] <toybox> hello
[09:23] <DarkED> what kind of things can i do to make kde use less memory? When i have firefox, xchat, amarok and kopete open i start dipping into swap
[09:23] <Bizzeh> 1. creative zen xtra (P4S MTP) support. 2. a decent c++ dev environment. 3. better hardware acelleration for gfx
[09:23] <DarkED> it doesnt seem right...
[09:23] <Bizzeh> and a few other less anoying things, but are still anoying
[09:24] <apokryphos> DarkED: consider not using firefox and xchat
[09:25] <DarkED> apokryphos, what should i use as a replacement? i know konq for firefox, but ... konversation?
[09:25] <apokryphos> amarok is a bit heavyweight as an audio player; there are very decent alternatives, but I'd probably still use it if I was on a more lightweight system
[09:25] <apokryphos> yup
[09:25] <toybox> amule wont open for me is there something i can do?
[09:25] <DarkED> apokryphos, ok, ill try :D
[09:25] <apokryphos> DarkED: both of them are very good alternatives 8)
[09:25] <DarkED> apokryphos, i like amarok because it displays the covers to all my albums so...
[09:25] <apokryphos> I very rarely dive into firefox, and have never gotten into xchat
[09:25] <DarkED> apokryphos, yeah i love konq for a filesystem browser
[09:25] <apokryphos> that is nice, but other players do that too
[09:26] <apokryphos> I love it for browsing :P
[09:26] <DarkED> apokryphos, they do?
[09:26] <apokryphos> khtml is the shiznit
[09:26] <apokryphos> DarkED: I think juk had it even before amarok
[09:26] <apokryphos> I know banshee has it too, but hey
[09:26] <DarkED> apokryphos, ok thanks
[09:26] <DarkED> apokryphos, yeah im a converting windows user so im used to firefox
[09:26] <silv3r> hi
[09:26] <DarkED> apokryphos, dont know many of the apps yet...
[09:27] <toybox> hey
[09:27] <apokryphos> oh ok :)
[09:27] <DarkED> well ill brb
[09:28] <DarkED> ooh...konversation is nice
[09:29] <DarkED> will juk add my wma's to my collection?
[09:29] <ryanakca> hmmm... I'm currently have kmail, configured according http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_KMail_gpg-agent_kde. I can send signed and/or encrypted messages fine, but when I recieve them, and double click them, I get this error: http://pastebin.com/729617  , even though I haven't entered a passphrase, when I click retry, it doesn't prompt me for a passphrase... what do I do?  I am currently using kubuntu dapper drake, with kde version 3.5.2
[09:36] <apokryphos> DarkED: with gstreamer output and mad installed I'd certainly presume so, yes
[09:37] <apokryphos> though I'd still say amarok was quite a bit better than juk
[09:40] <DarkED> apokryphos: juk isnt seeing any of my files :D
[09:40] <DarkED> apokryphos: i know i have gstreamer and ffmpeg
[09:40] <DarkED> apokryphos: and im pretty sure i have mad
[09:40] <apokryphos> gstreamer0.8-mad is installed?
[09:40] <DarkED> apokryphos: lemme check
[09:41] <DarkED> (i think its the taglib problem)
[09:41] <apokryphos> hm, could be actually; I think tag-support for wmas was added in 1.4
[09:41] <DarkED> apokryphos: yep
[09:41] <DarkED> apokryphos: well, in amaroK it was
[09:42] <DarkED> apokryphos: but it doesnt transfer to any other app afaik
[09:42] <apokryphos> guess juk wouldn't cut it then
[09:42] <DarkED> banshee did read them all
[09:42] <DarkED> but its a memhog as well
[09:42] <apokryphos> use amarok, but make sure you  have things like "watch folder for changes" is disabled
[09:42] <DarkED> ik
[09:42] <apokryphos> yeah, banshee isn't great
[09:42] <DarkED> ok*
[09:42] <apokryphos> but it has daapd server+client
[09:42] <apokryphos> which is something nice that amarok doesn't have at all
[09:43] <DarkED> well, banshee is good for a gnome user ;)
[09:43] <apokryphos> yes
[09:43] <_mark> how do i enable ssh
[09:44] <DarkED> im guessing crossfading would take up alot more memory as well?
[09:44] <apokryphos> _mark: is openssh-server or whatever installed?
[09:44] <apokryphos> DarkED: I think it takes a little more, yes.
[09:44] <_mark> apokryphos: not sure... i just have basic kubuntu installed, do i have to apt-get it?
[09:45] <DarkED> apokryphos: thanks for all the help
[09:45] <DarkED> im gonna reboot and see how this changes things
[09:45] <apokryphos> _mark: sudo apt-get install ssh
[09:46] <apokryphos> DarkED: no need to reboot :P
[09:46] <DarkED> no...my swap stays used :D
[09:46] <_mark> k thanks
[09:46] <_nicu> #romania
[09:46] <apokryphos> DarkED: shouldn't matter
[09:46] <_nicu> ./#romania
[09:46] <_nicu> ./romania
[09:46] <jpatrick>  /join ....
[09:47] <DarkED> hehe
[09:47] <_mark> apokryphos: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:47] <DarkED> yeah /join #chan
[09:47] <apokryphos> _mark: close adept
[09:47] <_nicu> thanks
[09:47] <_mark> im not sure adept is open
[09:47] <apokryphos> _mark: or, make sure you're sudo
[09:47] <DarkED> _mark: if nothing is open, just reboot
[09:47] <apokryphos> no :P
[09:47] <jpatrick> _mark: fuser /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[09:47] <apokryphos> never reboot on gnu/linux :D
[09:47] <apokryphos> I guess he didn't use sudo
[09:47] <DarkED> apokryphos: yeah it happens to me sometimes because i have a crap wifi connection
[09:48] <_mark> k
[09:48] <_mark> thanks
[09:48] <DarkED> apokryphos: ill be apt-get updating and it freezes in the middle of the list
[09:48] <apokryphos> DarkED: just kill any dpkg/apt proccesses then and re-enter the command
[09:49] <apokryphos> if the lock is still there, just delete it and try again
[09:49] <_mark> brb
[09:49] <jpatrick> night
[09:49] <apokryphos> night jpatrick =)
[09:50] <DarkED> apokryphos: well i tried that, told me i didnt have correct permissions
[09:50] <jpatrick> hmm, school tomorrow...
[09:50] <apokryphos> DarkED: use sudo =)
[09:50] <DarkED> i wish i could chmod everything except the root folder 755
[09:50] <apokryphos> school, yuck
[09:50] <apokryphos> no
[09:50] <DarkED> apokryphos: how do i use sudo to kill a process?
[09:50] <apokryphos> DarkED: that's not how linux works. There's a reason they have given permissions :)
[09:50] <DarkED> apokryphos: yes i know :D
[09:50] <apokryphos> DarkED: sudo killall <applicationname>
[09:51] <apokryphos> or sudo kill PID
[09:51] <DarkED> apokryphos: wow i didnt know you could do that
[09:51] <apokryphos> find out whether an application is running the background and its PID by ps ax|grep applicationname
[09:51] <DarkED> apokryphos: i've been using ksysguard
[09:51] <apokryphos> you can use that too
[09:51] <DarkED> i gotta get out of this windows mentality
[09:51] <apokryphos> but it's not useful if the application is run by root :P
[09:51] <DarkED> apokryphos: yeah i see
[09:51] <DarkED> apokryphos: i think i get it now
[09:52] <GlassCasket> Is there an advantage using ReiserFS instead od ext3?
[09:52] <apokryphos> GlassCasket: yes
[09:52] <DarkED> brb
[09:52] <DarkED> oh wait no
[09:52] <DarkED> i wanna hear this
[09:52] <DarkED> :D
[09:53] <apokryphos> ReiserFS is typically a lot better on smaller files, and outperforms on many i/o cases
[09:53] <apokryphos> on the other hand, reiserfs partitions take a lot longer to mount
[09:53] <GlassCasket> So boot up time may take a little longer.
[09:53] <apokryphos> http://wikipedia.org/wiki/reiserfs and http://wikipedia.org/wiki/ext3 are good
[09:53] <DarkED> so...you have a longer boot time
[09:53] <GlassCasket> lol
[09:53] <apokryphos> GlassCasket: yes, particularly if they're larger partitions
[09:53] <aseigo> apokryphos: i thought most of the performance differences had been worked out
[09:54] <apokryphos> all the benchmarks I've seen show a clear (though not amazingly large) advantages in that case to reiser
[09:54] <apokryphos> reiser3 is old and dated, sure
[09:54] <GlassCasket> So for root, reiserfs should do fine.
[09:55] <apokryphos> all the big issues with reiser, really, were addressed. It used to have big problems with corrupt filesystems
[09:56] <apokryphos> GlassCasket: I'm not sure how it is at all on ubuntu with reiserfs, but on my suse partitions I always use reiserfs, yes
[09:57] <apokryphos> reiserfs is dramatically better with many small files, in comparison to ext3
[09:57] <DarkED> is it normal for kde to use 300meg on startup?
[09:57] <apokryphos> (and outperforming ext3 on I/O operations is a plus too, of course)
[09:58] <apokryphos> DarkED: 300meg of space?
[09:58] <apokryphos> I'd say that was a default kde install, or so, yeah
[09:58] <DarkED> no
[09:58] <DarkED> 300meg of ram
[09:58] <DarkED> on startup
[09:58] <DarkED> with just konversation running
[09:58] <apokryphos> you can't really say that in gnu/linux
[09:58] <apokryphos> usage of ram isn't that simple
[09:59] <apokryphos> it'll try to not make any ram go to waste, so if there's free ram it'll likely be using it. For caching etc
[09:59] <DarkED> well yeah
[09:59] <DarkED> but it would seem that it would use less...
[09:59] <apokryphos> nope
[09:59] <apokryphos> with running absolutely no programs I can give you a ram monitor showing that it's using close to all 1 gig of it
[09:59] <apokryphos> open 30 applications, and it'll be close to the same
[10:00] <roc> a question: is there any possibility to get kdevelop to run on kubuntu?
[10:00] <DarkED> apokryphos: ahh i see how it works
[10:00] <DarkED> apokryphos: yeah see its a little of a problem cause i only have 512 meg :D
[10:00] <RadiantFire> roc: yes
[10:00] <apokryphos> roc: of course :). Install from adept
[10:00] <RadiantFire> I have it up and running as we speak
[10:01] <DarkED> apokryphos: i have one more question :D
[10:02] <DarkED> is there any way to generate a list of the packages i have installed so if i reinstall ubuntu i can just feed in the list and have it redownload everything?
[10:02] <DarkED> ive spent a lot of time apt-getting :D
[10:02] <apokryphos> dpkg -l gives you a list of all installed packages
[10:03] <apokryphos> but for a new install it's worth using easyubuntu, if you've already gone through the process
[10:03] <DarkED> so...easyubuntu would install all this stuff for me?
[10:03] <apokryphos> ubotu: easyubuntu
[10:03] <ubotu> easyubuntu is, like, an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/.
[10:03] <RadiantFire> It probably wouldn't be to hard to convert the list dumped by dpkg -l into something to feed to apt-get though
[10:04] <DarkED> RadiantFire: yeah thats what i had in mind
[10:04] <cow_2001> i have a friend with warty warthog
[10:04] <DarkED> i have about 1500 packages installed, all but 10 or so came directly from the repos
[10:05] <RadiantFire> I wonder if there is something like kickstart for debian
[10:05] <RadiantFire> that would probably be what you are looking for DarkED
[10:05] <DarkED> well maybe there is another way
[10:05] <apokryphos> it's quite easy to, sure
[10:06] <apokryphos> but not entirely sure that it's the best idea :P
[10:06] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody has working xgl on kubuntu?
[10:06] <RadiantFire> I thought apt-get installs behavior ignores and installation package if it is already the latest version
[10:06] <RadiantFire> so piping that list to apt-get would just install the packages you don't have
[10:06] <apokryphos> it does
[10:07] <apokryphos> different computers have different packages, though this wouldn't be a problem as much really on the same PC
[10:07] <DarkED> could i just backup the entire partition like norton ghost does or something?
[10:07] <apokryphos> presuming it's the same version of ubuntu as well
[10:09] <RadiantFire> DarkED: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/
[10:09] <DarkED> RadiantFire: thanks :D
[10:09] <RadiantFire> I'm not sure if that is quite what you are looking for
[10:09] <RadiantFire> the website said it was analagous to kickstart though
[10:13] <g0dchild> Hi- i tried source-o-matic to see if i can get the latest amarok releases- but when i run apt-get update, i get a lotta GPG errors
[10:13] <g0dchild> is anyone having the same prob?
[10:14] <apokryphos> g0dchild: kubuntu.org
[10:14] <apokryphos> follow instructions there to upgrade amarok
[10:14] <g0dchild> k, thanks
[10:16] <mrfishhat> i switched to dapper last night and now upon reinstalling amarok t cant une the gstreamer engine, why?
[10:17] <apokryphos> mrfishhat: gstreamer support for 0.8 was dropped in 1.4
[10:17] <apokryphos> they only support 0.10  now, which ubuntu doesn't provide, so you're gonna have to use xine
[10:18] <mrfishhat> apokryphos: and with xine, how would i go about getting mp3 support?
[10:19] <apokryphos> mrfishhat: hm, on breezy xine was in universe came with mp3 support, but I guess that's changed in dapper
[10:19] <apokryphos> !find xine
[10:20] <apokryphos> !info libxine-extracodecs dapper
[10:20] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: (the xine video/media player library, binary files), section multiverse/libs, is optional. Version: 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), Packaged size: 1148 kB, Installed size: 2976 kB
[10:20] <apokryphos> mrfishhat: try that package
[10:20] <cow_2001> my friend is using warty, does he have to dist-upgrade into hoary and then dist-upgrade into breezy or can he dist-upgrade right into breezy?
[10:20] <cow_2001> !warty
[10:20] <ubotu> warty is probably short for warty warthog which is the first release of ubuntu
[10:20] <klerfayt> why can't I have boot option psmouse.rate=100 ?
[10:20] <klerfayt> it says unknown
[10:21] <uniq> cow_2001: i suggest going to hoary -> breezy
[10:21] <cow_2001> uniq, thanks
[10:21] <apokryphos> cow_2001: going warty > breezy is explicitly unsupported, yes
[10:21] <cow_2001> apokryphos, thanks
[10:24] <DarkED> yo
[10:24] <DarkED> that was weird
[10:24] <RadiantFire> what was?
[10:25] <DarkED> well..
[10:25] <DarkED> my nick suddenly changed for no reason
[10:25] <DarkED> i became DarkED_
[10:25] <RadiantFire> thats always fun
[10:25] <DarkED> so i guess i got DC'ed
[10:25] <DarkED> but it didnt say anything
[10:25] <DarkED> so i did nickserv ghost user pass
[10:25] <DarkED> nothing happened
[10:25] <DarkED> did it again ;)
[10:25] <RadiantFire> its reclaim
[10:25] <RadiantFire> not ghost
[10:25] <DarkED> nothing happened
[10:26] <RadiantFire> I thought
[10:26] <DarkED> nah try ghost, you will kick yourself ;)
[10:26] <RadiantFire> i'd just as soon not
[10:26] <RadiantFire> IRC is fun
[10:26] <RadiantFire> :-P
[10:28] <RadiantFire> I just noticed something
[10:28] <RadiantFire> Align to grid seems to be broken in the latest state of dapper
[10:29] <RadiantFire> for icons
[10:30] <Terminus> RadiantFire: currently works here. it gets broken every few days though.
[10:30] <Terminus> anybody have problems with the desktop hanging when you right click on an object on it? i'm not sure but it seems that it tries to display the tooltip which clashes with the right click and then it hangs. :|
[10:31] <Terminus> this is in dapper.
[10:31] <klerfayt> I need to limit synaptics rate to 40 pps with poot parameter psmouse.rate=40 but dmesg keeps insisting that this is Unknown boot option
[10:31] <imran> i have that problem terminus
[10:32] <Terminus> imran: it's just irritating. :|
[10:36] <kronoz> !nvidia
[10:36] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[10:39] <drk> hi, does anyone know what's the name of the ms fonts package for kubuntu?
[10:40] <Terminus> drk: msttcorefonts
[10:41] <drk> humm, is it available for amd64 ?
[10:41] <nico8481> anyone here using linux for music creation?
[10:41] <drk> # apt-get install msttcorefonts
[10:41] <drk> E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate
[10:42] <Terminus> drk: have you enabled multiverse?
[10:42] <drk> well, i'm not sure if everything is ok
[10:42] <drk> i have a deb-src line containing multiverse
[10:43] <drk> deb-src http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[10:43] <Blissex> nico8481: ask a more precise, generic question, and have a look at aGNUla and CCRMA
[10:43] <Terminus> drk: you need a deb line with multiverse.
[10:44] <drk> hmm, that seems to have been the problem
[10:44] <drk> works now
[10:44] <drk> thanks
[10:44] <Terminus> np. :)
[10:45] <drk> i overlooked the fact that i had a deb-src instead of a deb in sources.
[10:45] <drk> :(
[10:45] <nico8481> Blissex: actually i was considering building a DAW (digital audio workstation) on a new computer that i'd need to buy, i was wondering if a laptop would be a bad choice... since maybe there are performance issues with the hardware (maybe needs fast disks to get good results or i don't know...)
[10:45] <Blissex> nico8481: laptop is fine. You can get fairly decent USB2 based sound stuff.
[10:45] <nico8481> Blissex: what about disk speed? is 5400rpm OK?
[10:45] <gil> how do i reset my sound
[10:46] <Blissex> nico8481: usually fast discs are needed for video, audio is not that demanding.
[10:46] <nico8481> Blissex: and what USB2 stuff are you talking about btw?
[10:46] <Blissex> nico8481: but 5400 probably is OK.
[10:46] <Blissex> nico8481: external sound cards an synthetizers for USB2
[10:46] <nico8481> hmm "probably" :-/
[10:46] <gil> evertime i used skype...afterwards sound is locked up0
[10:46] <gil> how do i reset the alsa
[10:47] <Terminus> ubotu: tell gil about skype
[10:47] <kronoz> !skype
[10:47] <ubotu> I heard skype is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[10:47] <Blissex> gil: read the OSS and sharing sections of http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html too
[10:48] <itsmeeh> must go today 2 gateway cx200x notebooks brand new in box,  price 600 each message me on aim at ogd443 or msn at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if interested.
[10:48] <nico8481> Blissex: also, is linux the best choice for a DAW compared to OSX? (new macbooks are tempting :p)
[10:48] <gil> ok thanks
[10:49] <Blissex> nico8481: depends on your budget and how technically sophisticated you are. The Mac has very good multimedia apps. They cost money...
[10:49] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: You can't run logic on linux so a mac is best
[10:49] <Terminus> Blissex: most people are just concerned about talking to other people. :)
[10:49] <nico8481> Blissex: yup but since osx is freebsd-based i guess i can run the same stuff on it isn't it ?
[10:49] <nico8481> open-source stuff like ardour...
[10:50] <nico8481> also maybe not alsa however :-/
[10:50] <Blissex> nico8481: then whats the point of getting a much more expensive Mac if you are going to run the same stuff?
[10:50] <nico8481> Blissex: that i can run the mac-only stuff too :)
[10:50] <Blissex> nico8481: BTW, there is a semi-commercial Linux distro for sound work
[10:51] <nico8481> yup but that's only for trying, i'm not sure i'm really that interested into making music, just want to play a bit and see...
[10:51] <h3sp4wn> Its difficult to get linux ubuntu working properly for audio - but after dapper is released there is someone who is going to provide a real time patched kernel
[10:52] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: don't know that soft but it probably costs you an eye :P how about garageband?
[10:53] <Blissex> nico8481: http://www.ferventsoftware.com/
[10:53] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: seemingly there's a website dedicated to ubuntu-based DAWs : http://ubuntustudio.com
[10:53] <h3sp4wn> Never used it (I think it is a cut  down version of logic) - Ableton Live is a good program
[10:53] <nico8481> Blissex: thx for the link
[10:54] <h3sp4wn> nico: the first thing it says without the realtime-preemption patches from Ingo Molnar ubuntu is almost useless ....
[10:55] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: yup but then just install the patches :)
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: I know but until dapper is marked final I can't be bothered doing it (knowing the kernel will probably change again)
[10:56] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: hmm i guess the kernel will never stop evolving even when dapper will be out...
[10:57] <nico8481> there'll always be new releases of it...
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: There won't unless something major needs to be fixed once dapper is out
[10:58] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: why not?
[10:59] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: They start a new development version and add the new stuff to that
[11:00] <nico8481> hmm... so why can't you stick with the kernel you have on breezy and not upgrade to the new development version?
[11:00] <nico8481> (not sure i get it)
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> I am using dapper because it has later versions of the audio stuff (amongst other reasons)
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> It is released in 10 days or so
[11:01] <nico8481> oh ok
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> But currently there is a new kernel every week or too which would mean I would have to reapply the patches every time
[11:01] <nico8481> so in 10 days it'll be OK to build an ubuntustudio with the lowlat patch :)
[11:02] <Toothpick> Hello, there was a wallpaper I saw with Kubuntu label that was a school blackboard...I've been googling, does someone have it or a link for it?
[11:03] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: when will the new versions stop appearing? when dapper is released? or is it still supposed to evolve after that? (not the development version of course)
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: I am hoping so
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: Once a release is made it is frozen i.e only major bug fixes and security updates are made for it
[11:03] <nico8481> hmm ok
[11:04] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: does something interfer in the sound stuff whether you use gnome or kde?
[11:04] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: like the sound daemons or i don't know?
[11:04] <alexander> Hi, I don't suppose anyone could tell me why I get   'Could not connect to gb.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>), connection timed out' when running apt-get update
[11:04] <alexander> try as I might I can't find anything that fixes it on the net
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: Either artsd or esd - but I don't have either running
[11:05] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: ok so they are not needing to use the DAW stuff
[11:05] <nico8481> needed
[11:05] <nico8481> (i'm not that savvy about audio stuff)
[11:05] <Xemanth^> Lordi ftw \o/
[11:05] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: For the audio stuff I believe you want to use jackd but its quite complicated to setup and I don't think works on breezy
[11:06] <crimsun> alexander: sounds like your dns/proxy is screwed
[11:06] <nico8481> hmm ok i'll wait for dapper then
[11:06] <alexander> well I don't use a proxy
[11:06] <nico8481> anyway i still don't have my laptop :)
[11:06] <alexander> and resolv.conf looks ok
[11:06] <crimsun> alexander: that doesn't mean there's not a transparent one upstream.
[11:06] <alexander> hmm
[11:06] <alexander> so where does that leave me
[11:07] <crimsun> alexander: what does host return for gb.archive.ubuntu.com?
[11:07] <crimsun> alexander: is there anything odd in /etc/hosts?
[11:07] <alexander> one moment
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: I don't know that much about it (most of my music stuff is synths , samplers etc) - I still need to find a decent midi interface also
[11:07] <TheChronoTrigger> can anyone help me make a fat32 partition? I created a partition will fdisk, and I'm trying to format the partition with "mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sda1" but it is telling me that the device contains a mounted filesystem. How do I unmount it so I can format the drive? I've tried unmount /dev/sda.. and it didn't work
[11:07] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: so what i have to decide now is whether i get an apple laptop or a "normal" one (and which one do i need for all of its features/components to be supported by linux/ubuntu)
[11:07] <crimsun> TheChronoTrigger: umount /dev/sda1
[11:07] <TheChronoTrigger> oh :)
[11:07] <crimsun> TheChronoTrigger: you unmount logical partitions, not block devices
[11:07] <TheChronoTrigger> umount not unmount
[11:08] <TheChronoTrigger> thanks
[11:08] <alexander> well it says : '<IP_ADDRESS>	localhost.localdomain	localhost	ubuntu'
[11:09] <alexander> and various jazz about ip6
[11:09] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: cause i know they are lots of sites like linuxlaptops or something that lists tons of outdated laptops that you can never find in stores and says for each "it's perfectly supported, but here is a list of things that don't work" ;-)
[11:09] <crimsun> alexander: ok, that's fine.
[11:09] <crimsun> alexander: what does ``host gb.archive.ubuntu.com'' return?
[11:10] <alexander> gb.archive.ubuntu.com has address <IP_ADDRESS> at first
[11:10] <alexander> then it says
[11:10] <alexander> ;; Warning: Message parser reports malformed message packet.
[11:10] <alexander> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[11:11] <crimsun> alexander: do the entries in resolv.conf point to your modem's/router's ip, or do they use upstream?
[11:12] <alexander> then it says <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:12] <alexander> which is my router
[11:13] <crimsun> perhaps your router is spitting out malformed packets. The ip for gb.a.u.c is correct, but you shouldn't be getting errors about malformed.
[11:13] <TheChronoTrigger> Got it working! Thanks crimsun
[11:13] <crimsun> TheChronoTrigger: np
[11:13] <alexander> I wouldn't be surprised
[11:13] <alexander> damned thing :)
[11:15] <uwo> still something unclear - "ffmpeg" works only when sudo-ed, how do i get it working normally, so i can add it to scripts?
[11:23] <mustafu> I'm lost.  K3B won't let me work with MP3's because it reports that it's an unsupported format....is there a package somewhere I have to install first?
[11:23] <Blissex> mustafu: !restricted
[11:23] <Blissex> !mp3
[11:23] <ubotu> rumour has it, mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:23] <Blissex> !restricted
[11:23] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:24] <mustafu> Thanks
[11:28] <_paulb> where do i put dlls for a program in wine?
[11:31] <elijahlofgren> _paulb: Probably in ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system
[11:31] <_paulb> i tried that
[11:31] <_paulb> and system 32
[11:32] <elijahlofgren> _paulb: I don't think I know then. What program are you trying to get working?
[11:32] <_paulb> EPGY K-7 math
[11:33] <_paulb> sorta obscure, a 16 bit program based on Toolbook or something
[11:34] <elijahlofgren> _paulb: You could try putting the dll in the same folder as the program.
[11:34] <_paulb> i did sadly
[11:35] <elijahlofgren> _paulb: Maybe trying installing the program in Windows and then search an see where that dll is in Windows.
[11:35] <_paulb> it installed the dlls into a folder in runtime or something
[11:37] <elijahlofgren> _paulb: If you have the program installed in Windows you could search for that dll filename in Windows to see where it gets put. I don't understand what "into a folder in runtime" means.
[11:38] <_paulb> they are installed into a folder called runtime under ~/.wine/c/EPGYK-7/sys/runtime
[11:43] <_paulb> i think ill just use vmware or something
[11:43] <alexander> well I fixed it :D
[11:43] <alexander> I replaced the routers address in resolv.conf with that of my isps server
[11:43] <alexander> which I tried earlier
[11:43] <alexander> but I must have been looking at an old page
[11:44] <alexander> so I popped in the new one and...voil
[11:44] <alexander> :D
[11:44] <asraniel> hei, any idea how to use kaffeine with the gstreamer backend
[11:45] <TheChronoTrigger> quick question... if I made a partition and formatted a drive and later realized that I forgot to make it bootable, is it ok to use fdisk and toggle it bootable and write the partition rather than deleting the old partition and recreating it and reformatting?
[11:45] <crimsun> alexander: which is what I suggested a while ago ;-)
[11:45] <alexander> :0
[11:45] <alexander> I mean
[11:45] <alexander> :)
[11:45] <alexander> that'll teach me to look at cached google pages
[11:46] <TheChronoTrigger> anyone?
[11:47] <crimsun> TheChronoTrigger: your statement is confusing
[11:48] <crimsun> TheChronoTrigger: did you create a partition and then "format" it, or did you create a partition then wipe it out and recreate it, /then/ format it?
[11:48] <crimsun> TheChronoTrigger: in any case, it's fine to make it bootable via {c}fdisk; there's no need to blow away the partition and start over
[11:49] <TheChronoTrigger> I created a partition and formatted it.. later I realized that I needed that partition to be bootable
[11:49] <TheChronoTrigger> I can go into fdisk toggle the partition as bootable and write the partition... is that ok or not adviseable?
[11:50] <crimsun> it's fine
[11:50] <TheChronoTrigger> cool :)
[11:50] <TheChronoTrigger> thanks
[11:50] <TheChronoTrigger> I need to reboot to see if it work... Be Back Later
[11:51] <arrinmurr> anyone know if it's possible to create any kind of archive that's split into multiple files with Ark?
[11:53] <luksan> arrinmurr: you could always just use the "split" command
[11:54] <Toothpick> Do you recall seeing the school blackboard on a kubuntu live cd?
[11:54] <Toothpick> I can't find it...
[11:56] <arrinmurr> luksan: hmm...


[01:29] <CarlenWhite> I'm having a mild panic over the whole ransomware shanagains.
[01:30] <CarlenWhite> Which doesn't apply to Ubuntu machines, of course. But I'm tasked to migrate a Ubuntu file server to Windows for future-proofed service which leaves me with that glaring cravat.
[02:15] <pmatulis> Just say 'No'
[02:17] <sarnold> once the system has been replaced by a windows machine, the original machine could be turned into a handy zfs storage target, and store snapshots from the windows machine
[02:17] <sarnold> that way when the botnets invade and encrypt all the things, you'll have snapshots to roll back to
[02:19] <trippeh> then again the main reason MS still ships SMBv1 enabled by default is due to crappy linux based devices requiring it ;-)
[02:20] <sarnold> lol
[05:37] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:37] <sarnold> cpaelzer: isn't it too early? are you trying to take over pitti's spot of being awake entirely too soon? :)
[05:38] <cpaelzer> oh I'm actually here a while already sarnold
[05:38] <sarnold> oh my :)
[05:38] <cpaelzer> sarnold: it isn't that badwaking up 5am (homoe work) 6.15am (kids) ~7.xx (start) - that is not too early
[05:39] <cpaelzer> homoe sounds interesting, but is just cleaning up and prepping kids food :-)
[05:39] <sarnold> lol
[05:40] <sarnold> poor kids, that's also too early :)
[05:40] <cpaelzer> sarnold: unless I want to shove them from bed to school instantly that is the time they need
[05:41] <sarnold> lets hope the first hour or two is classes that don't matter much, hehe
[07:46] <geek> help me? https://bpaste.net/show/0a5a7299eea8
[07:46] <geek> I am trying to allow remote access for my postgresql server
[07:49] <sarnold> geek: looks like it's bound to localhost rather than <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:49] <andol> grep "listen_addresses" /etc/postgresql/*/main/postgresql.conf
[07:50] <geek> I did hostssl  all             all             <IP_ADDRESS>/0          md5
[07:50] <geek> also listen_addresses = "*"
[07:50] <geek> maybe the hostssl is the problem, let me try host
[07:51] <geek> nmap only show port 22
[07:51] <geek> I did ufw allow 5432 already
[07:52] <geek> ufw allow from <IP_ADDRESS> which is the ip that I am trying to connect
[07:53] <sarnold> I don't think the firewall rules would influence which IP addresses it listens to
[07:57] <geek> my conf https://bpaste.net/show/4e9f2edcd375
[07:59] <sarnold> maybe throw a gigantic error into the file and make sure that postgresqal refuses to start at all? just something to double-check that the two of you agree on which file to use to configure it :)
[09:19] <adac> Hi guys, is it possible to reserve memory for the OS itself? If yes how?
[09:20] <rbasak> What do you mean by "the OS itself"?
[09:21] <adac> rbasak, there is one aplication that eats up all memory
[09:22] <adac> hmm but maybe the better approach would be to limit the memory usage of that  app
[09:22] <adac> instead of "reserve stuff for the OS itself" which is rather ah broad term as you say
[10:26] <jamespage> mwhahaha: I'm just pushing fixed versions of openstackclient + deps to pike-updates
[10:27] <jamespage> should sync out in the next hour to the UCA
[13:47] <mwhahaha> jamespage: ok since we use the openstack infra mirrors it'll probably be a bit longer. I'll let you know (they are still failing at the moment)
[13:47] <jamespage> mwhahaha: ack
[14:48] <jge> hey all good morning, I have an Ubuntu server with two nics facing two different networks, I'm setting up a default route for one of them and the other I'm doing a route after the system boots up, is this the correct way
[14:48] <jge> ?
[14:49] <jge> adding* a route
[14:56] <geek> anyone recommend me a good tutorial for setup ssl in posgresql?
[14:57] <nacc> jge: is there a reason you can't setup default routes for both at boot?
[15:00] <jge> nacc: I could do that but I thought configuring multiple gateways was bad practice..
[15:03] <qman__> multiple gateways is fine but they won't "just work", there are a few ways to do it, setting up metrics, or configuring the kernel, etc
[15:03] <qman__> if you just set two gateways, you will have a bad time
[15:05] <qman__> for a specific route, the way I do it is in /etc/network/interfaces, I add "up ip route add ..." and "down ip route del ..." for the interface the route is on
[15:08] <qman__> jge: ^
[15:08] <jge> yikes, I see what might be going on.. this is a remote server with two NICs one facing the management LAN and the other is to an upstream provider (internet).. the way we log into this box is through a VPN which lands on the management network, problem is that all VPN traffic is seeing as coming from a public IP so return traffic is probably being forced through my default gateway instead of the
[15:09] <jge> management lan
[15:12] <jge> this public IP being our office IP
[15:13] <jge> so I can add a static route but this will create problems as this is also a webserver, so whenever anyone tries to access it from the office (no VPN) the box will route all return traffic through this static route out to the management LAN..
[15:14] <jge> damn :(
[15:30] <jge> qman__: if I specify a metric in a default route, would it try the lowest metric first then move on to the second? any other way I can have both responses (return traffic) go out to both gateways?
[15:30] <jge> or that's a bad idea..
[15:33] <jge> or I'm wondering if there's a way to tell the box to return traffic through the same interface it was requested from..
[15:34] <qman__> you have to tweak the kernel settings for that
[15:34] <qman__> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4420/reply-on-same-interface-as-incoming
[15:41] <tomreyn> it sounds like the real issue you have therre is that requests tunnelling your site-to-site vpn end up as coming from a public ip address
[15:43] <jge> qman__: that could be  a solution, thanks for that.. how would I make that rule and route persistent though?
[15:44] <jge> tomreyn: I know.. our server is colocated and the company who does it asks all clients to NAT interesting traffic to either a subnet they give you or your public IP
[15:45] <jge> I guess we can change it but geez that will take days for them to do..
[15:47] <nacc> Ubuntu Server Bug Squashing Day #4 will be tmrw, here
[15:47] <nacc> just sent an e-mail to the server list re: the same
[16:09] <Capprentice> Hi where is the option to select the custom adapter. Here i want to select eth0,eth1 and eth2 for seperate bridge vmnet1,2 and 3. https://i.imgur.com/KR6bwYK.png
[16:12] <geek> I am able to connect through pgadmin3 but not with psql http://sprunge.us/UfOC  https://i.imgur.com/TMJegsm.png http://sprunge.us/QOYO?c++ I am setting up ssl in postgrs on ubuntu server
[17:13] <rbasak> nacc: not sure about bug 1658469
[17:13] <teward> rbasak: refer to -hardened and my mention about nghttp2
[17:13] <rbasak> nacc: to my knowledge we've never added and then removed things to avoid putting things in an LTS.
[17:13] <rbasak> Yeah I saw that, but nacc wasn't in that channel.
[17:14] <teward> yep.
[17:14] <teward> nacc: IIRC, the Security team had NACK'd http2 back in Xenial
[17:14] <teward> at least nghttp2
[17:14] <rbasak> nacc: if it's not good enough for an LTS, it's not good enough for a non-LTS release.
[17:14] <teward> (NGINX rolls their own implementation separate from nghttp2)
[17:16] <teward> rbasak: any chance that upload to proposed can be NACK'd and rejected because of the MIR and nghttp2 contention?
[17:17] <rbasak> teward: let's see what nacc thinks. If we did decide to reverse this, we'd upload a revert to artful-proposed, and that's make any MIR moot.
[17:18] <teward> mmkay.  Just thought I'd ask :)
[17:31] <nacc> rbasak: yes, this was the plan with the security team
[17:32] <nacc> rbasak: as in, we want it in 18.04 presumably, (another 2 years of no http/2 support seems less than ideal)
[17:32] <nacc> rbasak: and 17.10 is an appropriate place to start staging it
[17:32] <nacc> rbasak: if you want me to upload a version that again drops it, I can, but the whole point is for the MIR to be processed, one way or another
[17:33] <nacc> rbasak: i guess i don't understand what you mean by "to my knowledge we've never added and then removed things"
[17:33] <mdeslaur> rbasak: nacc summed it up
[17:41] <teward> nacc: I think one big concern will be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nghttp2/+bug/1677958 unless we've confirmed it's been fixed
[17:41] <teward> last update was the 3rd, code maintainer saying they confirmed the bug
[17:41] <nacc> teward: i think i addressed that
[17:42] <teward> and large text in the source code making a note insecure for production use
[17:42] <nacc> let me find the e-mail
[17:42] <nacc> the reported e-mailed me offline
[17:42] <nacc> teward: that particular chunk of code is an example in their docs, iirc
[17:42] <nacc> teward: and the automated 'static analysis' tool that perosn is using is dumb and doesn't know that
[17:43] <nacc> teward: it's not part of nghttp's shipped libraries or binaries, afaict
[17:44] <nacc> teward: the upstream response was: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24588157/
[17:44] <teward> nacc: then i think bug triage needs done on that bug as 'It's not part of the standard code, so not a bug"
[17:44] <teward> just saying :)
[17:44] <nacc> teward: i know
[17:44] <nacc> teward: it's on my todo
[17:44] <teward> in any case, if that's a non issue then the MIR reviewer will get the next say heh
[17:44] <nacc> I'll just do it now
[17:44] <teward> ... oh dear, i found a vulnerable system on my network...
[17:44] <teward> *disappears to fix it*
[17:50] <Skittishtrigger> If one were to have two updated 16.04 servers. One being in use with some basic installs and a few extra and the other being a shiny, new, better and better server. Is there a built in migration functionality or a package that can be used to gather all installed data (installed packages, db files, installed web apps, etc) and transfer or mirror exactly what is on server A(old) to server B(New)?
[17:51] <dasjoe> I have heard about third-party tools for migrations like that, I do not know how well they work
[17:52] <teward> Skittishtrigger: o dpm
[17:52] <teward> oops
[17:52] <teward> Skittishtrigger: I don't think there's any guaranteed-to-work tool for that
[17:52] <dasjoe> But with both machines being somewhat alike I would try rsyncing / over to the new one's disks by using a live system, chrooting into the cloned system and letting grub reinstall itself
[17:52] <teward> normally I just backup the configs on server A, copy to Server B after backing up the distribution-default configs, and test from there to make things work
[17:52] <dasjoe> Pay attention to fstab and mdadm
[17:53] <Skittishtrigger> Dang. I have been reading up and it seems everyone has an opinion on how to do it and whats best but no definitive answer for it.
[17:57] <dasjoe> Skittishtrigger: another popular answer would be "destroy old server, restore on new one from backup". Alternatively "have your configuration management reprovision everything on the new hardware"
[18:02] <Skittishtrigger> I was hoping there would be something using a script where you do movethisbox.sh and in the script it finds(greps, ls, w/e) all files, makes a list of all packages and versions, copies all databases, copies all configs, copies all user/www/srv files, and puts all this into a tar or zip with another script that auto installs it all.  Just cause I have hopes and don't want to do it manually. lmao
[18:04] <Skittishtrigger> Oh well, guess I have to be all proper abou it. lol. Thank you both for your time and help.
[18:09] <dasjoe> rsync -aAXv --exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found"} root@old-server:/ root@new-server:/mnt/rootfs/
[18:13] <rbasak> nacc: what if upstream don't declare it ready by 18.04?
[18:16] <nacc> rbasak: we'll hold back the internet by not supporting http2 :)
[18:17] <teward> nacc: I think the core issue is that it's still considered "experimental" by Apache
[18:18] <teward> not whether we're holding back the Internet or not
[18:18] <teward> IIRC that was the original issue too
[18:18] <nacc> right
[18:18] <nacc> but experimental in this case means the spec can change
[18:18] <nacc> in any case, isn't this what  MIR would address?
[18:18] <nacc> amongst other issues
[18:18] <thatstevecena> Has anyone seen this SSL error on Ubuntu 14.04LTS - error:0407006A:rsa routines:RSA_padding_check_PKCS1_type_1:block type is not 01; error:04067072:rsa routines:RSA_EAY_PUBLIC_DECRYPT:padding check failed
[18:18] <nacc> also, people have been asking in the apache page about that status with no response
[18:18] <thatstevecena> They verison of OpenSSL that ships with 14.04 has left official support
[18:19] <thatstevecena> i cant figure out how the error is occuring, but the openssl library seems to be the logical choifce
[18:19] <dasjoe> No, it's more likely a problem in your key file
[18:20] <thatstevecena> dasjoe: if i decrypt manually everything works
[18:20] <dasjoe> Manually, as in with pen and paper?
[18:20] <thatstevecena> dasjoe: decryption also works for ~1 hour or more and then i just get pelted with that error
[18:20] <thatstevecena> sadjoe: no; im doing DKIM
[18:20] <thatstevecena> dasjoe, sorry
[18:21] <thatstevecena> if i use online tools (any of them) all the decryption works fine
[18:21] <nacc> teward: i'll ask apache2 folks
[18:21] <JanC> manually on the same system?
[18:22] <thatstevecena> JanC: no, third party sites. on the host system it works perfectly for a while. then something happens on the system & it just starts failing everyone
[18:23] <JanC> that's really weird; memory issue or something?
[18:23] <thatstevecena> im googling anything i can think of but nothing is getting me closer to an answer
[18:23] <dasjoe> thatstevecena: memory gone bad?
[18:23] <thatstevecena> JanC: now that i think of it maybe it is
[18:23] <thatstevecena> or could be rather
[18:24] <thatstevecena> we were looking to move to 16.04LTS anyways. i can grab fresh hardware & see if that fixed it
[18:24] <thatstevecena> fixes*
[18:25] <thatstevecena> (we're on 14.04LTS now)
[18:25] <JanC> disk issue could in theory also be the issue, if it's flaky and sometimes returns corrupted data
[18:26] <thatstevecena> JanC: very good points i hadnt though od
[18:26] <thatstevecena> of*
[18:27] <dasjoe> I wouldn't consider disk issue if the process keeps running, I doubt it'd unload the key from RAM
[18:28] <thatstevecena> dasjoe: process yeah, keeps trucking right along
[18:28] <JanC> depends on whether it forks workers or something like that
[18:28] <thatstevecena> it just goes from working to failure
[18:29] <thatstevecena> sadly its my only MTA so taking it offline to check anything isnt possible
[18:31] <thatstevecena> this is all good though. ive been banging my head against this for about a week. its given me some new angles to think from
[18:33] <thatstevecena> oh; something else this made me think of:
[18:33] <thatstevecena> we're currently using Untangle for antispam. it works more like a packet sniffer than an appliance. it stands to reason that it could be causing issues too, no?
[18:35] <teward> nacc: I think the HTTP/2 spec is pretty solid at this point, unless you're saying it's still under massive changes and revision (which it usually was doing)
[18:35] <nacc> teward: no, the 'experimental' of mod_http2 is that mod_http2 itself isn't fixed yet
[18:35] <nacc> teward: per their own text
[18:35] <nacc> teward: it's not about http/2, it's about their implementation of what mod_http2 does
[18:36] <teward> ah, i mention because:
[18:36] <teward> [2017-05-16 14:18:26] <nacc> but experimental in this case means the spec can change
[18:36] <teward> ambiguity :p
[18:36] <nacc> yeah, spec of mod_http2
[18:36] <nacc> sorry about that
[18:36] <teward> nacc: ambiguity is the death of developers :)
[18:36] <teward> no problem.
[18:36] <nacc> teward: yep :)
[18:36] <teward> nacc: if they don't even know what they all want to do with it yet, I'd consider it unfit for LTS, but it's ultimately not my call
[18:36] <teward> (nginx is more cared about than Apache by me heh)
[18:37] <nacc> teward: right, but i can't know if they will stabilize it by 18.04
[18:37] <nacc> teward: so that's what i'm trying to figure out
[18:37] <teward> nacc: if they don't respond back, it may be safe to assume they don't even know heh
[18:37] <nacc> teward: i think they're just reserving the right to change behavior still
[18:40] <nacc> teward: also, the 'experimental' status in apache2 i think means taht between releases, interfaces/directives might change
[18:40] <nacc> it's basically an out that they dont' have to stay BC
[18:49] <thatstevecena> thank you everyone. im going to go down the server rebuild path on newer hardware. i appreciate the help!
[22:16] <federicoaguirre> Hi people.!
[22:16] <federicoaguirre> I've a question
[22:16] <federicoaguirre> how you protect against rnswr attack?
[22:23] <sarnold> what's "rnswr"? google's no help
[22:24] <federicoaguirre> sorry... ransomware.!
[22:25] <teward> federicoaguirre: backups, updated antivirus, patch all your systems, don't open suspicious links, sites, emails, attachments.
[22:25] <teward> common sense protections
[22:26] <teward> and backups in the off chance you *do* get hit so you don't lose all the data
[22:30] <sarnold> disable password logins on ssh
[22:30] <sarnold> don't use web-based control panels
[22:34] <teward> disable 'root' logon via SSH
[22:34] <teward> beat yourself against the wall when you do get crypto'd
[22:34] <teward> wait... that's not a protection.
[22:36] <tarpman> teward: well, maybe it protects against a recurrence. one hopes
[22:42] <federicoaguirre> Thnks to all guys.!
[22:45] <teward> tarpman: :P