[03:39] <squidles> Hello, I have a raspberry pi 4 which runs on ubuntu-server architecture is arm64...at the moment I am running kea-dhcp6-server how can i configure it to my home network...would I have to use an android A.I application to sort it...I am interested in this idea ipv6 as it is new to me. Can someone help me there
[17:34] <Muligan> hey fellas, anybody know where to go to troubleshoot a standard 'ssh-import-id-gh' error <urlopenerror timed out> issue?
[17:34] <Muligan> routing & DNS aren't a problem as I'm able to pull what's needed for updates, etc.
[17:36] <Muligan> during the initial installation of a brand new deployment of 22.04, I was able to add a singular GH key specified by said username, however when I go to add a couple more users' keys, this is the issue that comes up...
[17:36] <Muligan> bleh,
[17:37] <Muligan> cancel that, found a firewall issue upstream
[18:28] <tomreyn> to the server team, about the !server factoid (repeat message) - https://dpaste.com/DQRBT4BEN


[00:15] <thumper> Ubulette: why do you think that lp needs to sync it?
[00:17] <Ubulette> thumper, i don't know. so far so good. maybe there's no need
[00:17] <thumper> Ubulette: I don't think it needs to know
[00:18] <thumper> the public key yes
[00:18] <thumper> but all the signed emails, no AFAIK
[00:25] <mpt> heh
[00:25] <mpt> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-devel-discuss
[00:25] <mpt> "Ubuntu Core Developers does not use Launchpad."
[00:26]  * mpt wonders how we could fix that
[00:26] <mpt> Rename the profile, I guess
[00:30] <ajmitch> yet another automatically created person?
[00:31] <mpt> yes
[00:31] <mpt> (Asked as <https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/18173>)
[00:34]  * ajmitch remebers the same thing happening with motu
[01:14]  * Hobbsee waves
[01:34] <sargento> Hello!
[01:36] <Hobbsee> greetings!
[01:38] <sargento> Is anybody there?
[01:38] <Hobbsee> no
[01:38] <stdin> i'm not there, i'm here
[01:38] <Hobbsee> sargento: only the autoanswer script is here.
[01:39] <sargento> Hi, Hobbsee, how are you?
[01:39]  * Hobbsee is an autoanswer script
[01:39]  * Hobbsee is slowly eating up more memory
[01:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:39]  * thumper waves
[01:40]  * ajmitch waves to thumper
[01:40] <thumper> sargento: do you have a question or just curious?
[01:40] <sargento> both of them
[01:40]  * thumper waves at ajmitch
[01:40] <sargento> I'd never used IRC before
[01:41] <sargento> I'm not native English speaker by the way, so be patient with me, please.
[01:42] <sargento> I'm also new at Linux, I have requested a translation file for amarok but I don't know what to do with de PO file. ¿Can someone give me a tip of how to translate an application?
[01:43] <thumper> sargento: unfortunately I don't know too much about the translations stuff
[01:43] <sargento> Thanks any way
[01:44] <sargento> What is this IRC used for?
[01:44] <thumper> sargento: ok, just checked
[01:44] <thumper> but amarok isn't using launchpad for translations
[01:44] <thumper> I believe that it is all done through the kde.org website
[01:44] <thumper> sargento: IRC is used for immediate converstations between (sometimes) like minded people
[01:45] <sargento> thumper: Where are you from?
[01:45] <thumper> sargento: New Zealand
[01:46] <sargento> thumper: Greetings form México!
[01:46]  * thumper waves at all Mexicans
[01:46] <thumper> sargento: IRC also allows aids in distributed development where the people are not co-located
[01:48] <sargento> thumper: Thanks a lot, I gotta go, It's been a thrill chating with you. Bye.
[01:48] <thumper> sargento: bye for now
[01:48]  * thumper likes giving thrills...
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #163694 in malone "Fix Committed/Released distinction is inconsistent and unproductive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163694
[01:52] <Hobbsee> mpt: updated bug, sorry for being unclear.
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #163696 in malone "Launchpad doesn't help in listing bugs fixed in a release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163696
[02:01] <Hobbsee> ...uh, yes it does
[02:02] <Hobbsee> oh, i cant read.
[02:02] <ajmitch> need glasses?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> got em
[02:03] <Hobbsee> actualyl, the title could go both ways.
[03:52] <mdomsch> to enable a team PPA, must you be a team Administrator?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> i think so, yes.
[03:53] <mdomsch> cool - I'll bug my guy then
[03:56] <Hobbsee> mdomsch: be aware, unless you get an email address set, it will send all build failures, etc, to all members of the team.
[03:56] <mdomsch> excellent :-)
[03:57] <Hobbsee> depends how many people you have on your team :P
[03:57] <mdomsch> hmm, that's probably recursive (there are other teams included in mine)
[03:57] <mdomsch> dell-team has ~15 people, plus the Ubuntu Kernel team
[03:57] <mdomsch> the latter probably won't want to see those emails
[03:57] <Hobbsee> no idea if it's recursive, tbh.
[03:57] <mdomsch> but the other named people, sure
[03:57] <Hobbsee> havent tried that :)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> ahhhh, i see.
[03:58]  * Hobbsee wonders if lp will let her mangle teams, when she's only the maintainer of one of them, and not on the other :P
[04:02]  * Hobbsee wonders if that constitutes an abuse of power.
[04:02] <mdomsch> Hobbsee, don't do anything on my behalf pls
[04:02] <Hobbsee> mdomsch: no, not you :)
[04:02] <mdomsch> :-)
[04:03] <Hobbsee> mdomsch: this is about a team ppa that has ~60 members, and everyone got spammed with all build failures until i blackholed the address.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> however, i've blackholed it to my personal email, so....
[04:03] <Hobbsee> it would be good to change it, so that it goes to the list instead.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> which it cant, as another team has that address.  *sigh*.
[04:04] <mdomsch> oh lovely - if it is recursive, I'll spam 21 people plus canonical-kernel-team and canonical-xorg
[04:04] <Hobbsee> you might want to wait for cprov-away and such, then.
[04:05]  * Hobbsee is no LP admin
[04:06] <mdomsch> no rush, was just something I was looking into
[04:07] <Hobbsee> mdomsch: you cant sign ppa packages yet, btw
[04:08] <mdomsch> Hobbsee, makes sense
[04:08] <mdomsch> I was just wanting to get some pacakges out for people to play with
[04:08] <mdomsch> which I can do w/o a PPA too
[04:08] <Hobbsee> mdomsch: you can use your personal ppa if you wihs, too.
[04:08] <Hobbsee> er, but you might need to be in the beta team.
[04:08] <mdomsch> but sabdfl was here last week and reminded me of PPAs and was curious if we were using them
[04:09] <mdomsch> which got me started
[04:09] <Hobbsee> neat :)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> so get going
[04:10] <mdomsch> I requested beta team access
[04:10] <Hobbsee> oh, mrevell's on leave.  i doubt it's gotten processed yet, then.
[04:11] <mdomsch> yep - and that's fine.  I'm still learning
[04:11] <Hobbsee> dear launchpad, please don't switch the menu options around.  Thanks, Hobbsee.
[04:12] <mpt> Hobbsee, which menu options?
[04:13]  * mpt gets a headache reading https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/18067
[04:13] <Hobbsee> mpt: *sigh*
[04:14] <Hobbsee> mpt: show all team members, and show team participation
[04:14] <Hobbsee> show all team members used to be the second hyperlink.
[04:14] <Hobbsee> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team for eg
[04:14] <ajmitch> that's an interesting question there, mpt
[04:14] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: oh, maybe that's why I keep hitting the wrong one
[04:14] <Hobbsee> mpt: that's quite...impressive.
[04:14] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yes, i think so.  i'm not sure how long ago they changed it, but every single time i hit the wrong one.
[04:15]  * ajmitch does as well
[04:15] <ajmitch> I figured it was just me being slow & confused
[04:15] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i think it doesnt help that they sound like the same sort of thing - it sounds like a rename, instead of a new option moved around.
[04:15] <mpt> I'm sorry, I haven't being paying any attention to the order of menu items
[04:15] <Hobbsee> mpt: clearly you dont use that section of LP enough :)
[04:16] <ajmitch> 'show team participation' does sound somewhat like show who participates in this team
[04:16] <mpt> (it's just been one of those dull throbbing issues that I need to get around to investigating one day)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ah, so that's why i'm getting confused.
[04:16] <mpt> We have a plan to fix this
[04:16] <Hobbsee> how soon?  before we go mad?  :)
[04:17] <mpt> Hmm, perhaps not
[04:17] <mpt> Might be too late for that already ;-)
[04:17]  * mpt flees
[04:17] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:17] <LaserJock> hehe
[04:17]  * Hobbsee attacks mpt with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™
[04:17] <LaserJock> certainly too late for Hobbsee
[04:17] <mpt> Yeah, Exhibit A
[04:17] <Hobbsee> haha :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> mpt: who's doing the beta team approvals in mrevell's absense?  did you know?
[04:18] <ajmitch> LaserJock: just give her a padded cell & some ponies
[04:19] <ajmitch> speaking of which....
[04:19] <mpt> Hobbsee, no-one, afaik
[04:19] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: poniez plz.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> mpt: when does he get back?
[04:19] <mpt> Today, I think
[04:19] <Hobbsee> woot :)
[04:19] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I think we scared LaserJock off
[04:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: we'll find him at the next UDS.
[04:19] <ajmitch> you may
[04:20] <LaserJock> sorry
[04:20] <Hobbsee> greetings, lamont
[04:20] <Hobbsee> lamont: how goes the fishing?
[04:20]  * ajmitch is seeing a distinct lack of golden ponies announced
[04:20] <LaserJock> busy listening to the sound of my silent laptop
[04:21] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yeah, I actually haven't been on the computer much for my birthday
[04:21] <Hobbsee> mpt: btw, https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/18173
[04:21] <lamont> evening
[04:21] <Hobbsee> (seeing as you filed it)
[04:21] <lamont> Hobbsee: I went looking for your build failure, found only successes...
[04:21] <ajmitch> LaserJock: well, happy birthday
[04:22] <Hobbsee> lamont: for kdebase-runtime?
[04:23] <lamont> I think that was it.  not being told _which_ ppa to look in may have complicated things...
[04:23] <Hobbsee> lamont: if that's the case, then why does it still fail?
[04:23] <lamont> I eventually checked the kubuntu-members ppa, since y our's didn't have it
[04:23] <Hobbsee> lamont: this is all kubuntu-members
[04:23] <Hobbsee> this has nothing to do with my ppa of miscellanea
[04:24] <Hobbsee> lamont: i thought it checked it's own ppa
[04:24] <sabdfl> mdomsch: it would be recursive, if i understand what you are referring to, yes
[04:25] <lamont> kdebase-runtime 4:3.95.0a-1ubuntu1~ppa1 is built, no?
[04:25] <sabdfl> if you have team X as a member of Team A, and A has a PPA, and there is a notification for that PPA, then everyone in X will get it
[04:25] <mdomsch> sabdfl, ok, thanks.
[04:25] <sabdfl> unless you set a notification address for X
[04:26] <sabdfl> the recursive thing is rather neat, though :-)
[04:26] <sabdfl> was fun to meet up and see your labs, thank muchly btw
[04:26] <mdomsch> I can see the need for both recursive and non-recursive
[04:26] <lamont> Hobbsee: maybe if you uploaded kdebase-workspace to _hardy_ instead of gutsy, it'd find the kdebase-runtime that is in _hardy_
[04:26] <Hobbsee> lamont: first three of https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all ?
[04:26] <mdomsch> indeed, it was a productive day, thanks for coming down
[04:26] <Hobbsee> lamont: oh, there's a thought.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> that's the *one* thing i forgot to check :)
[04:27] <lamont> Hobbsee: that'd be the issue for all 3.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> sabdfl!
[04:27] <lamont> and kde4network...
[04:27] <lamont> morning sabdfl
[04:28] <mdomsch> I'm pretty sure we'll want a way to limit who gets PPA notifications, but not limit who gets other notifications
[04:28] <mdomsch> maybe by setting up another team just for the PPA
[04:28] <Hobbsee> lamont: uh, and why https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/+build/428961 ?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> lamont: that would appear to target gutsy.
[04:28] <lamont> that's kdepimlibs
[04:29] <Hobbsee> lamont: sorry, https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/+builds?build_text=kdebase-runtime&build_state=all
[04:29] <Hobbsee> lamont: that's kdebase-runtime in gutsy, not hardy at all.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> which is dying over kdepimlibs, which also appears to be in hardy.
[04:30] <Hobbsee> *unless* the thing is saying gutsy, when it's actually hardy
[04:30] <lamont> ah.
[04:30] <lamont> kdebase-runtime in gutsy is dep-wait kdepimlibs5-derv
[04:31] <Hobbsee> lamont: yes, but why.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> lamont: that's in the ppa.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> for gutsy, unless it's naming is on crack.
[04:31] <lamont> hrm.  dear launchpad, when a package becomes new enough to clear a depwait in ppa, please clear the depwait. kthxbye
[04:31] <Hobbsee> i gave it back - it just doesnt seem to be finding the package.
[04:32] <lamont> runtime doesn't?
[04:32]  * lamont just gave-back kdebase-runtime and rescored it.  I'll stick around long enough to see it at least building
[04:32] <Hobbsee> no, but i'll try it again on !lpia if you like
[04:32] <Hobbsee> oh, yeah, you may as well do that, as you can rescore too
[04:34] <lamont> rescored
[04:34] <lamont> I see you gave them back though.
[04:34] <lamont> and it looks like queue-builder is running, so we may get to wait a bit
[04:35] <Hobbsee> yeah.  was already there, and figured it was less clicks for you
[04:35] <lamont> 'heh. thanks
[04:35]  * Hobbsee wants the mighty give back powers :)
[04:38] <lamont> you have give-back powers, no?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> i have givebacks for ppa
[04:40] <Hobbsee> but not globally
[04:40] <Hobbsee> and i dont have rescore powers
[04:40] <lamont> ah, yes.  that makes sense
[04:40] <Hobbsee> need a member of the tech board (hint, sabdfl) around long enough to give them out :)
[04:41] <lamont> hrm... tech board does own the team
[04:41] <Hobbsee> seems odd, for something not only for ubuntu.
[04:42] <lamont> someone has to own it.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> i guess it's that or the LP admins.
[04:43] <lamont> yeah
[04:44] <lamont> and no one wants to be owned by a rubber duck
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:44] <Hobbsee> change it to a llama or something.  problem solved.
[04:44] <lamont> they'd revolt
[04:45]  * Hobbsee . o O { here's a llama, there's a llama, and another little llama, fuzzy llama funny llama, llama llama duck }
[04:47] <lamont> all three building, it'll be interesting to see who finishes first
[04:48] <Hobbsee> i'll bet a lolly pop on i386
[04:48] <Hobbsee> i win!
[04:48] <Hobbsee> lamont: i was right then.  depwait.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> lamont: in fact, it's not even piciking up the latest kdelibs
[04:50] <lamont> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[04:50] <lamont> double-U  Tee  Eff
[04:51] <lamont> I imagine that if your PPA had the package in the packages file, that apt would use it...
[04:51] <lamont> not a buildd-fixable bug.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> lamont: ahhh!
[04:51] <Hobbsee> no, i think i've found it
[04:52] <Hobbsee> lamont: this is likely due to component up mangling, that never got fully done.
[04:52] <lamont> ??
[04:52] <Hobbsee> cprov-away: when did you do the component mangling?  what was the date?
[04:52] <lamont> heh.  iz universe?
[04:52] <Hobbsee> lamont: with the old system, yes
[04:52] <Hobbsee> lamont: until they blew away components.
[04:52] <Hobbsee> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/binary-i386/Packages
[04:53] <lamont> yeah - saw it
[04:53] <Hobbsee> although, i guess the non-component system would only have taken effect with the new rollout.
[04:53] <lamont> anyway, have a nice day. :-0)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> lamont: right, i'll bug cprov.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> lamont: thanks for your help
[04:53] <lamont> yeah - it's beyond my powers
[04:53] <sabdfl> lamont, Hobbsee, i think they will enable full component support for PPAs as an option
[04:54] <sabdfl> for sovvistikated users
[04:54] <Hobbsee> sabdfl: i bet that'll confuse the hell out of people, even mroe than this lot does now.
[04:54] <sabdfl> well, no
[04:54] <lamont> sabdfl: with the ability for the ppa owner to move things around and manage the overrides file, one would hope.
[04:54] <sabdfl> the problem is that most people grab an existing package, from ubuntu or debian, and then hammer on it
[04:54] <sabdfl> then upload it to their PPA
[04:54] <Hobbsee> oh, i see the point for blowing aawy components entirely
[04:54] <lamont> Hobbsee: I expect it'll be behind a "I HAVE A CLUE DAMMIT" button.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> lamont: ROFL!
[04:55]  * Hobbsee want.
[04:55] <sabdfl> and the specific rules about build dependencies between main and universe just add friction for them
[04:55] <lamont> lots of friction, I expect
[04:55]  * Hobbsee is surprised that the current stuff in components didn't all get copied into main, so that we dont lose great subsections of it.
[04:57]  * lamont decides that it's bedtime
[05:21] <Hobbsee> cprov-away: bug done.  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/163716
[05:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 163716 in soyuz "[regression] ppa does not find packages that were published to !main components, before the component combining" [Undecided,New]
[05:22] <Hobbsee> oh, how clever.  LP realises that there are words in there, and tags it with ppa and ui
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #163716 in soyuz "[regression] ppa does not find packages that were published to !main components, before the component combining" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163716
[05:38] <TiMiDo> anyone here?
[05:39] <Hobbsee> no
[05:39] <Hobbsee> these are 90 skelletons.
[05:39] <Hobbsee> they're not actually here.
[05:43] <jamesh> TiMiDo: if you have a question, it is usually best to go ahead and ask
[05:44] <jamesh> (then wait around for an answer rather than quitting immediately)
[05:44] <jamesh> we'll do our best to help
[05:44]  * Hobbsee waves to jamesh
[05:44] <jamesh> afternoon Hobbsee
[05:44] <TiMiDo> jamesh: when i try downloading the files mo archives, and suppostly, i'll get an email with the mo file
[05:44] <TiMiDo> but nothing yet?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> jamesh: didnt realise you were australian...
[05:44] <TiMiDo> is there another way, of downloading it?
[05:45] <jamesh> TiMiDo: there is a queue for translations exports.  Let me take a look
[05:45] <jamesh> Hobbsee: still am :)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> jamesh: where are you then?
[05:46] <jamesh> Hobbsee: Perth
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #163718 in launchpad "Should use the openid.sreg module to implement Simple Registration Extension" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163718
[05:46] <Hobbsee> jamesh: ahhh.  pity.
[05:48] <jamesh> TiMiDo: hmm.  I guess I don't have an easy way to check the status of the translation export queue
[05:48] <jamesh> TiMiDo: how long have you been waiting so far?
[05:49] <TiMiDo> Hmm for a while
[05:49] <TiMiDo> maybe more than a few hours,
[05:53] <jamesh> TiMiDo: the people who can check for sure (carlos, danilos, jtv) won't be up for a few more hours yet as they are on European time
[05:53] <jamesh> TiMiDo: so the most I can say is to be patient
[05:53] <jamesh> we do have a number of performance improvements pending for the next LP release, so things should improve in the future
[05:54] <TiMiDo> oh ic,
[05:54] <TiMiDo> well Nice chating with ya'll i have to go to sleep, tomorrow i've have school
[06:09] <blober> hi, i need an online svn repository that has to be accessible only for some 4-5 persons for some weeks, than we plan to open it. is launchpad ok for that?
[06:12] <LaserJock> blober: I wouldn't think so until you open it and launchpad I don't think Launchpad hosts svn, but bazaar
[06:13] <LaserJock> but I'm just an Launchpad users so you might want to ask somebody more official than me
[06:14] <mpt> Hobbsee, I'm sure ogra will be delighted to know you described him as a model
[06:15] <blober> LaserJock: how? you mean a mailing list?
[06:16] <LaserJock> blober: launchpad-users mailing list, which you can find on http://lists.ubuntu.com, would probably be a good place
[06:16] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if many Launchpad people are awake yet
[06:16] <Hobbsee> mpt: hehe, yeah :)
[06:16] <Hobbsee> mpt: that got pointed out to me, and fixed.
[06:16] <Hobbsee> mpt: maybe he wanted a model named after him.
[06:17] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: ?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: ? ?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: (what?)
[06:18] <blober> LaserJock: Thanks
[06:19] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: what did you say about ogra?
[06:19] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: https://launchpad.net/bugs/163716
[06:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 163716 in soyuz "[regression] ppa does not find packages that were published to !main components, before the component combining" [Undecided,New]
[06:20] <Hobbsee> typo in the bug.
[06:20] <Hobbsee> said the ogra model, not the ogre model.
[06:20] <LaserJock> hahaha
[06:20] <mpt> Why is it called the ogre model, anyway?
[06:21] <mpt> Is it because it's like an onion?
[06:21] <LaserJock> I can't remember
[06:21] <LaserJock> cprov told me once I think
[06:22] <Hobbsee> goodness only knows.  i didnt even know it had a name, until a few months ago.
[06:22] <mpt> Smells like an implementation detail to me
[06:23] <Hobbsee> mpt: hm?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> ah, bugger, blender still doesn't work.
[06:23] <LaserJock> mpt: very appropriate comment btw, as I'm watching Shrek the Third at the moment
[06:23] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: should i upload the "still doesnt work, but merged version", or keep the "doesn't work" version in there? (which is old)
[06:24] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: seems like we have quite a bit of time left to wait to get it merged right
[06:26] <Hobbsee> this is true
[06:33] <thumper> blober: launchpad doesn't host SVN
[06:33] <thumper> blober: just bazaar branches
[06:33] <thumper> blober: which are really good if I do say so myself
[07:32] <carlos> morning
[07:54] <Hobbsee> morning carlos!
[09:24] <Hobbsee> mrevell!
[09:24] <mrevell> hi Hobbsee :)
[09:24] <mrevell> hello everyone else
[09:24] <Hobbsee> mrevell: how was your hoilday?
[09:24] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Not bad thanks.
[09:25] <LaserJock> \o/ mrevell returns!
[09:25] <mrevell> hi LaserJock :)
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #163769 in launchpad "AssertionError when clicking "I'm Someone Else" twice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163769
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #163783 in rosetta "Automatically translated msgid "translator-credits" does not include year" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163783
[12:06] <Hobbsee> carlos: ping
[12:06] <carlos> Hobbsee: pong
[12:06] <Hobbsee> carlos: got some time?
[12:07] <carlos> sure
[12:07] <Hobbsee> or are you busy?
[12:07]  * Hobbsee queries
[12:16]  * Hobbsee waves to cprov
[12:16] <cprov> Hobbsee: hey
[12:16] <Hobbsee> cprov: found the kdebase-workspace ppa problem :D
[12:17] <cprov> Hobbsee: ta, I will move the old packages to main in a bit
[14:11] <Hobbsee> cprov: ppa doc updated.  \o/
[14:16] <cprov> Hobbsee: thanks.
[14:16] <Hobbsee> cprov-lunch: no problem
[14:56] <\sh> moins ppl :)
[14:57] <\sh> can someone explain, why sometimes some ubuntu *-security uploads are generating a *-changes  mail and some not?
[15:01] <mrevell> \sh cprov-lunch could answer that when he's back from lunch
[15:10] <\sh> mrevell, kk
[16:50] <ubotu> New bug: #163857 in launchpad "Safari footer links" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163857
[17:39] <afflux> Is there any way to override the distribution setting from debian/changelog when uploading to PPA? I.e. some sort of switch to dput to upload a single source-package to multiple distributions?
[17:43] <cprov-lunch> afflux: you can't have the same version uploaded to multiple distributions in PPA (neither in ubuntu primary archive).
[20:11] <Ubulette> is bazaar.lp broken ?
[20:12] <Ubulette> I get No handlers could be found for logger "bzr" when i push, and it stays like that
[20:30] <Ubulette> bzr: ERROR: Could not acquire lock "(remote lock)"
[20:32] <gmb> Ubulette: did you get that error on a launchpad-hosted branch?
[20:32] <Ubulette> yes
[20:33] <gmb> Sorry... would've seen that, didn't read scrollback
[20:33] <gmb> Have you tried bzr break-lock on the remote url?
[20:34] <Ubulette> ix:~/bzr/prism$ bzr break-lock
[20:34] <Ubulette> ix:~/bzr/prism$ bzr push
[20:34] <Ubulette> Using saved location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:34] <Ubulette> No handlers could be found for logger "bzr"
[20:34] <Ubulette> then nothing
[20:34] <gmb> Okay. Let me see if I have any joy...
[20:34] <thumper> Ubulette: that is a known bug, and I'm trying to remember the work around
[20:34] <gmb> Or thumper could save the day :)
[20:35] <Ubulette> i've pushed/pulled/merges/clones zillions of time before, 1st time it occurs
[20:35] <thumper> Ubulette: see bug 152746
[20:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152746 in bzr "bzr commit to bzr+ssh hangs on 'No handlers could be found for logger "bzr"'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152746
[20:36] <thumper> Ubulette: I think there is still an issue with break-lock and bzr+ssh for Launchpad, so try breaking the lock over sftp
[20:36] <thumper> Ubulette: so `bzr break-lock<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:37] <Ubulette> $ bzr break-lock<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:37] <Ubulette> Break lock<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:37] <Ubulette> held by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on host vostok [process #16908]
[20:37] <Ubulette> locked 2 hours, 59 minutes ago? [y/n]: y
[20:37] <Ubulette> Break lock<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:37] <Ubulette> held by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on host vostok [process #16908]
[20:37] <Ubulette> locked 2 hours, 59 minutes ago? [y/n]: y
[20:38] <Ubulette> $ bzr push
[20:38] <Ubulette> Using saved location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:38] <Ubulette> No handlers could be found for logger "bzr"
[20:38] <Ubulette> no change
[20:39] <thumper> hmm...
[20:40] <thumper> jml: ping
[20:42] <thumper> Ubulette: what do you get if you push to sftp instead?
[20:43] <Ubulette> $ bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:43] <Ubulette> bzr: ERROR: Can't rename /srv/sm-ng/push-branches/00/00/16/8b/.bzr/repository/lock/548gbgv38o.tmp to /srv/sm-ng/push-branches/00/00/16/8b/.bzr/repository/lock/held: /srv/sm-ng/push-branches/00/00/16/8b/.bzr/repository/lock/held already exists
[20:44] <Ubulette> i did another break-lock, and pushed to sftp, it worked.
[20:44] <Ubulette> well, thanks :)
[20:45] <Ubulette> another push on bzr+ssh says nothing to push, so it looks fixed
[20:46] <thumper> Ubulette: weird
[20:46] <thumper> Ubulette: you can be assured that this bug will get fixed ASAP
[20:46] <Ubulette> excellent :)
[21:10] <jml> thumper: pong
[21:10] <thumper> jml: what's the status with bug  152746?
[21:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152746 in bzr "bzr commit to bzr+ssh hangs on 'No handlers could be found for logger "bzr"'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152746
[21:10] <thumper> jml: you have something in review
[21:10] <jml> thumper: is this the logging branch?
[21:11] <thumper> jml: yeah
[21:11] <jml> thumper: mwhudson was going to do it, but he felt that it would be best to wait for me to get back.
[21:12] <jml> thumper: any particular questions?
[21:13] <thumper> jml: I was trying to help Ubulette above with the problem
[21:17] <jml> ah, I see
[22:16] <LaserJock> thumper: is kiko on holiday do you know?
[22:17] <thumper> LaserJock: yes he is
[22:17] <LaserJock> bugger
[22:17] <thumper> what's up?
[22:17] <LaserJock> he was working on bug 130158 for me and I got some testing done for him
[22:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130158 in soyuz "Launchpad should provide dgettable URLs" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130158 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)
[22:18] <LaserJock> so I was hoping to get some feedback from him on an ETA
[22:18] <LaserJock> I guess the soonest would be the next rollout
[22:20] <thumper> LaserJock: sorry, I don't know the status of this work
[22:20] <LaserJock> yeah, it's np
[22:20] <LaserJock> I just finally got around to getting the info he wanted and wanted to chat with him about it
[22:21] <thumper> :)
[22:21] <LaserJock> seems like everybody is on vacation when I want to talk to them
[22:21] <LaserJock> :-)
[22:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[22:30] <ubotu> New bug: #163921 in malone "+text date format is inconsistent" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163921
[22:30] <ubotu> New bug: #163923 in rosetta "Download all translations does not include Turkish po file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163923
[22:34] <mpt> And good morning ubotu!
[23:54] <Ubulette> how come firefox3 (1st pkg on https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+packages) is marked as "Not yet built" while it has been for days ?


[03:55] <zillah> hello all
[04:06] <Ahmuck> evening
[04:15] <zillah> what are you up to tonight?
[04:26] <Ahmuck> taxes
[04:35] <zillah> fun stuff


[00:00] <layn> bdmurray, are often busy with work and databases, but if I can come next year
[00:12] <hggdh> heh. and I got to meet charlie-tca in person this year...
[00:12] <layn> bdmurray, It was a pleasure to meet you here
[00:13] <layn> bdmurray, I think we bring the same haircut :)
[00:18]  * xnox wishes to go to UDS one day......
[00:27] <layn> bye!
[09:25] <ElPasmo> Hi, I think bug 687684 and bug 688857 should set to Triaged with a Low importance. Anyone can take a look and, if I'm right, do the changes for me please?
[09:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 687684 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Authentication dialog does not receive focus when clicking the install button (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/687684
[09:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 688857 in software-center (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Keyboard Shortcut for searchbar in the Software Center (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688857
[10:01] <ElPasmo> !apport
[10:02] <ubot2> Factoid 'apport' not found
[10:02] <ElPasmo> mmm
[10:42] <bartmon> Hello! I an experiencing an issue on my  laptop which uses Ati r300 kms graphics drivers. Whenever the screensaver is active for a few minutes, my computer will hard-lock. No response from input devices, no response via network (so probably a kernel oops). What is the recommended way of diagnosing this issue?
[11:12] <bartmon> Well if anyone has a response, feel free to answer my question above. I have to go offline now but I will check the irclog later today.
[13:29] <njin> Hello to all, simply I don't know at wich package assign this bug 690026
[13:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 690026 in ubuntu "Ubuntu Multicast packet bug (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690026
[14:33] <penguin42> I'm not sure it's a bug; the fact his code works on windows doesn't necessarily mean he's doing it the right way for Linux, and I don't know networking to know where it would be broken
[14:34] <penguin42> either way, I'd say it's a kernel issue
[14:44] <CarlFK>  "making my code listen on INADDR_ANY, then only does it work," makes it sounds like a bug
[14:45] <CarlFK>  Bug #672325   seems to be fixed.  should I close it?
[14:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 672325 in netkit-tftp (Ubuntu) "tftp assert failure: *** buffer overflow detected ***: tftp terminated (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 103)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/672325
[14:57] <crimsun> CarlFK: if it has been fixed, yes
[15:04] <CarlFK> change to "fix released"?
[15:48] <holstein> to 'file a bug against' something is to type the information into the 'in what package did you find this bug?' field?
[16:00] <holstein> if someone has a second to look
[16:00] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rakarrack/+bug/691937
[16:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 691937 in rakarrack (Ubuntu) "bug report for backporting (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,In progress]
[16:01] <holstein> and make sure that seems clear and marked properly
[18:38] <yofel_> holstein: usually you don't open an ubuntu task for backports, other than that, you should refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#Backport%20Process
[18:40] <holstein> yofel: thanks
[18:41] <holstein> im not sure i understand what an 'ubuntu task' is
[18:41] <holstein> but im reading :)
[18:42] <yofel> holstein: you opened a task for rakarrack - but what's there to be done on the ubuntu side? meaning: natty and *-updates?
[18:43] <holstein> i should mark it differently then?
[18:43] <holstein> i wanted to put lucid-backports right there
[18:43] <yofel> well, since the ubuntu package itself won't be touched the ubuntu tsk is Invalid, the lucid-backports task is correct
[18:44] <holstein> prolly something to do with the way i started the filing then
[18:44] <holstein> can i get rid of the 'rakarrack' part now?
[18:45] <bartmon> Hi again! Can anyone answer my question above?
[18:45] <yofel> holstein: well, set the task to 'Invalid' since it's impossible to remove it
[18:45] <holstein> yofel: :/
[18:45] <holstein> cool
[18:45] <holstein> i'll do that, and do better next time :)
[18:47] <holstein> 05:42 < bartmon> Hello! I an experiencing an issue on my  laptop which uses Ati r300 kms graphics drivers. Whenever the  screensaver is active for a few minutes, my computer will hard-lock. No response from input devices, no  response via network (so probably a kernel oops). What is the recommended way of diagnosing this issue?
[18:47] <holstein> bartmon: have you tried other kernels?
[18:47] <yofel> holstein: read the 'how to request new packages' section on the backports page, and don't worry, you're not the only one that doesn't find that page at first..
[18:47] <bartmon> Yes, I tried 2.6.36 from the kernel team and the issue exists on it too.
[18:48] <yofel> bartmon: what about 2.6.37?
[18:48] <bartmon> yofel: Haven't tried it yet as it is still in rc
[18:50] <yofel> I don't know much about debugging kernel issues, but maybe you find something useful here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging
[18:51] <bartmon> yofel: Thanks, I'll check it out.
[18:57] <vish> yofel: did the magic kernel fix land in .37?
[18:57] <vish> the small patch which is supposed to improve life ;p
[19:01] <bartmon> vish: IIRC it was introduced around rc1 or rc2 so we'll have to wait for 2.6.38
[19:01] <vish> bartmon: hmm, if it is in rc1 or rc2, that means it is already in .37
[19:04] <vish> bartmon: or did you mean, patch was sent at the time .37 was in rc1/rc2 ?
[19:04] <bartmon> vish: yes, that was what i meant
[19:04] <vish> eitherway, there was some talk about cherry-picking the patch for Ubuntu..
[19:05] <bartmon> vish: i'm searching for the press coverage to make it clear
[19:09] <bartmon> vish: Found it. The patch hasn't been nominated for pulling by Linus for .37 as it was still undergoing testing.
[19:10] <vish> bartmon: yea, but we wanted to get it into Natty , so we were going to cherry-pick it.. not sure if it has landed or not yet..
[20:25] <yofel> vish: didn't check, but I think it was pretty short for upstream 37 so I would rather say it'll be in 38
[23:19] <layn> Hi
[23:22] <layn> Good evening all


[01:48] <vejmarie> Hi folks
[01:48] <vejmarie> I am progressing really well
[01:48] <vejmarie> I just have an issue with the locale
[01:48] <vejmarie> free cad is using GTK and I got Locale not supported by C library :(
[01:48] <vejmarie> any idea on how to get ride of it
[01:50] <vejmarie> seems to be related https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapcraft/+bug/1584357
[01:50] <vejmarie> ubottu you are right
[01:51] <vejmarie> anyway I made half the way as I have gdk working ;)
[16:00] <vejmarie> Hi guys, I got this error while trying to upload a snap
[16:00] <vejmarie> Developer profile is missing short namespace
[16:00] <vejmarie> how can I address it
[17:12] <sgclark> hi all, I have kdevelop so very close to done, but a few straggling issues, it would be lovely to go through the build logs.. but I cannot seem to find them, where does snapcraft hide these?
[19:37] <zyga> vejmarie: I didin't see that bug before, can you open bug on snapcraft please (it will get moved to the right projcet)
[19:37] <zyga> sgclark: I don't think it does
[19:38] <vejmarie> zyga: I fix it, this was coming from the fact that I never logged on http://myapps.developper.ubuntu.com
[19:39] <vejmarie> but the error message is far from easy to understand
[19:40] <sgclark> zyga: don't think it does produce build logs or hides them?
[19:40] <zyga> sgclark: I think logs just scroll past you
[19:40] <zyga> sgclark: I doubt there's anything saved
[19:40] <sgclark> ick
[19:40] <sgclark> ok
[19:40] <sgclark> piping them to a log then lol


[02:23] <dashs> How can I find the root password.
[02:23] <dashs> I know i's in the menus somewhere
[02:28] <vald0r> Hey, I just installed the mythtv packages on ubuntu 8.10 and am trying to find out how to get the upnp server to launch so i can stream musing in media player on vista. any ideas
[02:29] <vald0r> anyone around?
[02:30] <hads> Patience
[02:34] <dashs> mythbuntu == steaming lump of shit.
[02:34] <Zinn> dashs: Please watch your language.
[02:34] <dashs> mythbuntu == steaming lump of offal.
[02:35] <dashs> mythbuntu == steaming lump of feces?
[02:35] <dashs> mythbuntu == steaming lump of doodoo.
[02:36] <dashs> mythbuntu == steaming lump of skata.
[02:36] <dashs> mythbuntu == steaming lump of sheiss.
[03:16] <hads> That was werid.
[03:36] <tgm4883> hmm
[04:21] <IOU> is there a way i can rescan the music/video collection via the command line ?
[04:51] <hads> There's a couple of command line mythvideo scanners around.
[04:52] <hads> find_meta.py in the standard 0.21 mythvideo source
[04:59] <IOU> oh i want that one
[04:59] <IOU> lol
[05:00] <IOU> not in mythbuntu i take it ?
[05:03] <hads> I think it is
[05:03] <d03boy> anyone know of a irc channel or forum that is good for finding good deals on hdtvs?
[05:04] <d03boy> and knowing how nice the tv is and stuff
[05:07] <IOU> bah i found it
[05:07] <IOU> however
[05:07] <IOU> MythTV module cannot be initialized, MythDB importing disabled
[05:07] <IOU> You must have the MythTV module to make direct DB importing to work
[05:07] <hads> Check you have the python bindings
[05:08] <IOU> libmyth-python ?
[05:08] <hads> Yeah
[05:08] <IOU> libmyth-python is already the newest version.
[05:08] <IOU> libmyth-python set to manually installed.
[05:09] <hads> I have some half baked scripts here too; https://code.launchpad.net/~hads/+junk/mythvideo-stuff
[05:10] <IOU> lol @ half baked
[05:15] <IOU> eh im not stuffing around with it
[05:27] <IOU> the files are there, it just cant find them
[05:33] <IOU> hads: Know much python ?
[05:33] <hads> Yeah a bit
[05:34] <IOU> http://pastebin.com/d201abce0
[05:34] <IOU> any ideas
[05:37] <hads> python -c "import MythTV"
[05:37] <IOU> newline
[05:37] <IOU> didnt moan
[05:38] <IOU> same with python -c "from MythTV import MythDB"
[05:38] <Draggor> Anyone here have/use the Radeon HD 4650?
[05:38] <Draggor> I try to use the proprietary driver, and Myth looks all glitched and fragmented
[05:39] <hads> Dunno off the top of my head, I remember having to do something weird with the package imports
[05:39] <IOU> something weird....
[05:39] <hads> Try, "from MythTV import MythDB; m = MythDB"
[05:40] <IOU> same
[05:40] <IOU> worked
[05:40] <hads> Okay, "from MythTV import MythDB, MythVideo; mythvideo = MythVideo()"
[05:41] <IOU> wait
[05:41] <IOU> if i comment out these two lines
[05:41] <IOU>         #mythdb = MythDB()
[05:41] <IOU>         #mythvideo = MythVideo()
[05:41] <IOU> it works
[05:42] <IOU> uncomment any of those two and it moans
[05:42] <hads> Well you need those :)
[05:43] <IOU> yeah i know
[05:43] <IOU> oh hey I think i found whats wrong
[05:44] <hads> By something weird I meant in the MythTV package itself.
[05:45] <IOU> it doesnt like that my mysql password has a special char in it
[05:45] <hads> Oh, that's not very nice
[05:47] <IOU> it doesnt like my #
[05:47] <hads> Yeah that mysql.txt parsing needs to be fixed
[05:49] <IOU> heres where i have to go round and change my myth password
[05:53] <hads> Just hack it to suit
[05:54] <hads> I don't know why someone used shlex for that, I didn't write that bit
[06:41] <Draggor> So, I have the new drivers working, however, it won't fit the image to the screen
[06:41] <Draggor> 1080p, but there's still some very small black borders going on
[12:06] <arocs> Hello , i have a weird problem with mythbuntu 8.10 and ATI x1600 Video vsync ...
[12:07] <arocs> How can i enabled vsync with native ATI driver ? is it possible ?
[12:09] <arocs> When the image move from left /right i get some strange image distorsion ... any help ?
[12:54] <perlmonkey> hi guys, i just installed a pvr-150 into a system, and although the dmesg looks ok and it records on cat test, its only recording static.. i got svideo input going in from a stb so i know it should be recording, i verified input on another card
[12:54] <perlmonkey> any ideas? this is actually 1 of 2 pvr150's i got, the first one just won't even record on cat test
[12:55] <perlmonkey> i also have been testing a Compro Videomate T220 which is a dvb/analog hybrid card, interesting I can get the analogue working in VLC, but not in mythtv or cat test, and the dvb seems to be a total non-starter, its not even creating the dvb dev's in /dev.. anyone got any experiences or info on this card?
[12:55] <perlmonkey> finally, I also have an adaptec VideoOh! card which is working ok in Mythtv, although the quality of recording is not great
[12:55] <perlmonkey> any tips on how to improve the playback/recording quality?
[12:55] <perlmonkey> think thats all for now  :)
[12:55] <perlmonkey> oh, can anyone recommended a dvb/analogue input card that works out of the box?
[12:58] <perlmonkey> eeek seg fault in pidgin lib
[17:09] <dromer> hmm, so, someone frome #kubuntu directed me here: running the nvidia 177 driver I'm having trouble displaying in color on the svideo-out of my geforce 6200
[17:18] <perlmonkey> mythtvbuntu doesnt work with any of my cards
[17:19] <perlmonkey> time to switch to mythdora
[17:23] <tgm4883> perlmonkey, did you change the input you were trying to record from?
[17:23] <perlmonkey> :-/
[17:23] <perlmonkey> i tested 5 different cards and couldn't get any to work properly
[17:24] <perlmonkey> even the Hauppauge PVR-150 which is considered to be one of the most popular
[17:24] <tgm4883> specifically, thats the one i'm talking about
[17:24] <perlmonkey> ok
[17:24] <tgm4883> since you said you hooked it up through svideo
[17:24] <tgm4883> I'm wondering if you told the card you wanted to use svideo
[17:24] <tgm4883> since you are testing with cat
[17:24] <perlmonkey> yes, I hooked it up through svideo and composite
[17:25] <perlmonkey> i just figured that out about changing inputs, on the one PVR-150 it worked i could record from svideo, allbeit only in black and white
[17:25] <perlmonkey> i could not get any picture via the coax, but I guess that's down to the tuner
[17:26] <tgm4883> black and white?
[17:26] <tgm4883> sounds like a ntsc/pal issue
[17:26] <perlmonkey> the other PVR 150 i have which I wanted to use as that has phono audio input for svideo, won't work at all. dmesg reports problems, and it just won't even record on cat
[17:27] <tgm4883> bad card?
[17:27] <perlmonkey> which is odd because I took that from an old working mythtv backend system I used to use, unless the card got damaged in storage/removal, not sure what happened
[17:27] <perlmonkey> only can think of maybe a driver quirk/issue
[17:27] <tgm4883> well the pvr-150 works OOB, so it's either a bad card or a bad install
[17:28] <perlmonkey> yes
[17:28] <perlmonkey> but
[17:28] <perlmonkey> are all PVR-150's the same, you got the full and low profile ones and different spec eh, different ports etc.. revisions on boards
[17:29] <tgm4883> no, there are different pvr-150's
[17:29] <tgm4883> but the pvr-150 is discontinued, so they don't make new ones
[17:29] <perlmonkey> the only card was able to work immediately OOB in Mythtv was my Adaptech VideoOh!
[17:29] <perlmonkey> which uses the same chipset/ivtv driver as PVR-150
[17:29] <tgm4883> yea the pvr-150 should have worked right away in mythtv
[17:30] <perlmonkey> so something is messed up
[17:30] <tgm4883> just set it up as a harddware encoder card, setup the guide data, connect the two and scan for channels
[17:30] <tgm4883> well, import channels since you are using svideo
[17:30] <perlmonkey> at the moment I have the Adaptech one connected
[17:30] <perlmonkey> I'm not sure if this is a hardware encoder, I think it is
[17:32] <tgm4883> ok, well to increase the quality of those recordings, you will need to increase the bitrate
[17:32] <tgm4883> which IIRC, is under "Recording Profiles" in the frontend
[17:33] <perlmonkey> my original plan was to try and use a dvb card, i purchased a Compro Videomate T220 which although is showing as supported on Myth wiki, it doesn't seem to be easy to get working.. unusually I managed to get tvtime and vlc media player showing analogue playback thru it, but i was unable to get it to record to file using cat!  also the dvb side of it is a total non-starter, it does not load the saa7134-dvb module, and
[17:33] <perlmonkey> ok
[17:34] <perlmonkey> (T220 is a hybrid card, it has dvb tuner but allows analog encoding at same time)
[17:34] <tgm4883> well the key to good compatibility is to research the cards before you buy
[17:34] <perlmonkey> true, i wish i had
[17:34] <perlmonkey> but it was a cheap buy so i decided just to try it
[17:34] <tgm4883> IIRC, the HDHomerun (although external) is pretty well supported
[17:34] <perlmonkey> cool
[17:35] <tgm4883> I am also a fan of my pvHDTV5500
[17:35] <tgm4883> the HDHomerun has dual tuners though
[17:35] <perlmonkey> did you ever manage to use a card OOB and never have to mess with driver issues or modules?
[17:35] <tgm4883> yea
[17:35] <perlmonkey> not me
[17:35] <tgm4883> on all the cards i've mentioned
[17:36] <perlmonkey> i will try this once last time
[17:36] <perlmonkey> i'm wondering if Mythdora will be able to support hardware any better
[17:36] <tgm4883> fresh install?
[17:36] <perlmonkey> yeah maybe thats good idea
[17:36] <tgm4883> i'd stick the pvr-150's in there and then do a fresh install
[17:37] <perlmonkey> ok worth a shot
[17:37] <tgm4883> once installed, set them up in mythtv, and if you are getting black/white, make sure you have the correct ntsc/pal setting
[17:37] <perlmonkey> how do I set it
[17:39] <tgm4883> it's probably some ivtv-utils setting
[17:39] <tgm4883> i can try and find it if you want
[17:39] <perlmonkey> ok ive just verified the adaptec card and its working with cat, its recording static for coax input and b&w for svideo
[17:40] <perlmonkey> thanks
[17:40] <perlmonkey> the video quality on adaptec doesnt look as sharp as PVR-150
[17:42] <perlmonkey> ok its in colour now
[17:42] <perlmonkey> all i did was change the Scart adaptor from my cable set top box, from TV OUT to VCR OUT
[17:42] <perlmonkey> i also change to composite and it seems crystal clear now
[17:43] <perlmonkey> tgm4883: im making good progress now with your help, but don't waste your time looking for that ntsc/pal thing
[17:43] <tgm4883> good
[17:44] <perlmonkey> ok its not 100% perfect, but I think it's acceptable. besides this is analogue and thru composite eh, its to be expected not 100% smooth
[17:44] <perlmonkey> i wish i could find out if the card has hardware encoder
[17:44] <tgm4883> yea, once you see digital tv, analog really does start to look like crap
[17:45] <perlmonkey> if card is recording to a file, it must do?
[17:45] <perlmonkey> else I would need v4l soft encoding?
[17:45] <perlmonkey> *card = cat
[17:45] <tgm4883> no, it will record to a file either way
[17:45] <perlmonkey> ok
[17:45] <tgm4883> hardware encoding just means the CPU doesn't have to do it
[17:45] <perlmonkey> yeah, how to be sure?
[17:46] <tgm4883> google
[17:46] <perlmonkey> the card im using is VideOh! Media Centre
[17:46] <perlmonkey> by Adaptec
[17:47] <perlmonkey> wow i found the box and it says hardware encoding
[17:47] <perlmonkey> MPEG-2
[17:47] <tgm4883> nice
[17:47] <perlmonkey> so this card must be similiar to PVR-150, even uses ivtv driver
[17:47] <tgm4883> must be
[17:47] <perlmonkey> i picked up a whole bunch of these for 6 bucks each
[17:48] <tgm4883> nice
[17:48] <perlmonkey> liquidated stock all new in sealed boxes
[17:48] <tgm4883> yea software encoders
[17:48] <tgm4883> yea software encoders....I don't even mess with those anymore
[17:48] <perlmonkey> software encoders suck eh
[17:48] <perlmonkey> frames get dropped
[17:49] <tgm4883> i had one back in the day
[17:49] <perlmonkey> i still got loads here
[17:49] <perlmonkey> BT848 chipsets
[17:49] <tgm4883> i've tossed all mine now
[17:49] <perlmonkey> yeah me too, into my old junk box
[17:49] <tgm4883> only hardware encoders or DVB cards now
[17:50] <perlmonkey> i could have DVB now i got an antenna but we cant get many channels here, only a handful, until 2011
[17:50] <perlmonkey> so its not much use, thats why im using analague with my cable box
[17:50] <perlmonkey> can you explain one thing to me please
[17:50] <tgm4883> that works too
[17:51] <perlmonkey> you know how cable have on demand on services etc.. that content can never be recorded thru commercial hdd recorders, always says copying not allowed, or encrypted.. but mythtv records it easily, why cant commercial products record and myth can?
[17:52] <perlmonkey> im guessing the commercial products and collaborated with the tv industry to put tech into boxes to stop recording?
[17:52] <tgm4883> when you say mythtv records it easily, are you talking about with a analog card?
[17:52] <perlmonkey> *and = have
[17:52] <perlmonkey> yes
[17:53] <tgm4883> yea, thats the analog loophole
[17:53] <perlmonkey> are you saying with a dvb card it wont?
[17:53] <perlmonkey> woah
[17:53] <perlmonkey> so analogue is still useful eh
[17:53] <tgm4883> yea, a dvb card most lilkely won't even tune that channel
[17:53] <perlmonkey> its worth having an analogue card in your setup to speak to the cable/sat box
[17:54] <perlmonkey> damn
[17:54] <Zinn> perlmonkey: Please watch your language.
[17:54] <perlmonkey> Zinn: huh?
[17:54] <tgm4883> family channel
[17:54] <perlmonkey> what did I say?
[17:54] <tgm4883> damn
[17:54] <Zinn> tgm4883: Please watch your language.
[17:54] <perlmonkey> wtf?
[17:54] <perlmonkey> damn = swearing?
[17:54] <Zinn> perlmonkey: Please watch your language.
[17:54] <tgm4883> yea
[17:54] <perlmonkey> thats insane
[17:55] <perlmonkey> is that guy a priest
[17:55] <tgm4883> yea, the satellite box is the only reason I have pvr-150/pvr-500's in my system
[17:55] <perlmonkey> do you think analogue will be a feature of mythtv for a long time to come then, or permanently?
[17:55] <tgm4883> and that is only until i get some hd-pvr's and  mythtv 0.22 is out
[17:55] <tgm4883> zinn is a bot
[17:55] <tgm4883> !about
[17:55] <Zinn> I am an IRC bot written in perl, but my code is not yet released.  I am named after Howard Zinn, you can learn more about him here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Zinn
[17:55] <perlmonkey> ok
[17:56] <tgm4883> well they aren't going to remove card support from mythtv
[17:56] <tgm4883> that would be backwards
[17:56] <perlmonkey> no i mean
[17:56] <perlmonkey> do you think users will continue to buy and use analogue cards in their setups for the loop hole thing we mentioned
[17:56] <tgm4883> guarenteed
[17:56] <perlmonkey> :D
[17:57] <perlmonkey> but this raises a question eh
[17:57] <perlmonkey> if the industry is now moving to digital and hd video etc, it means compromising for second rate video with on-demand analog recorded stuff?
[17:58] <perlmonkey> the good thing about on demand content too is the adverts are usually already removed
[17:58] <tgm4883> thats a complicated question
[17:58] <tgm4883> basically, it's multipart
[17:59] <perlmonkey> who is behind the blocking of recording, cuz clearly theres some collabration going on, is it a law thing or just industry co-operation?
[17:59] <tgm4883> 1) don't confuse HD with digital, they are not the same
[17:59] <perlmonkey> ok
[17:59] <tgm4883> 2)  There are devices that can record HD in analog (well one, the HD-PVR)
[17:59] <perlmonkey> since users have always had the right to record live aired tv shows, why can they not also have the right to record on demand/repeated shows
[18:00] <perlmonkey> yes
[18:00] <perlmonkey> so i guess people can still record in analogue the on demand but to a higher (hd) quality
[18:00] <tgm4883> 2a)  As long as the industry allows people to view HD content through component (analog) cables, then the analog loophole will continue
[18:01] <perlmonkey> could they decide not to and block it?
[18:01] <tgm4883> the industry hates the analog loophole, which is a reason for the move to digital
[18:01] <perlmonkey> is it technically possible?
[18:01] <perlmonkey> wow
[18:02] <tgm4883> yes, if you have followed the blu-ray/hd-dvd stuff, you will know that there is a flag they can use that will only output 540p over component
[18:02] <tgm4883> they haven't used that yet, but eventually they will
[18:02] <perlmonkey> :(
[18:03] <perlmonkey> so whats in it for manufacturers of recording boxes etc, like hdd recorders... why are they building their analogue boxes even not to record on demand?
[18:03] <tgm4883> speculation for them not using it yet, is that most people don't have HDMI connections on their TV's, so they wouldn't see a large difference between the 480p and 540p of dvd and blu-ray
[18:03] <perlmonkey> to avoid legal consequences of tv corps?
[18:03] <tgm4883> once the adoption rate is high enough, they will do it
[18:04] <tgm4883> about the cable boxes, IIRC it's a legal thing
[18:04] <perlmonkey> ok
[18:04] <perlmonkey> so if u make and sell a device that's clearly intended to record tv, it would be illegal if it allowed on demand content to be recorded as well
[18:05] <perlmonkey> you would be giving people the means to breach copyright
[18:05] <tgm4883> very large grey area
[18:05] <perlmonkey> but with mythtv its different, because its not intended to record tv specifically
[18:05] <tgm4883> like i said, very large grey area
[18:05] <perlmonkey> i dont think their laws would apply
[18:06] <tgm4883> basically, it's all speculation because it hasn't been taken to court yet
[18:06] <perlmonkey> it hasnt, but the manufacturers of the boxes dont seem to be taking any chances do they
[18:06] <perlmonkey> you cant record on any of them
[18:06] <perlmonkey> i think its even above the manufacturers of the boxes
[18:07] <perlmonkey> its at the chip maker level
[18:07] <tgm4883> well, I believe legally, you have to respect the broadcast flags
[18:07] <perlmonkey> anyway its all a grey area like you said
[18:08] <perlmonkey> what i will do now is..
[18:08] <tgm4883> for instance, they can say (do what you want), or they can say (record once), or (never record)
[18:08] <perlmonkey> try and run mythtv-setup and see if the newly tested adaptec card can work and perform ok
[18:08] <perlmonkey> i see
[18:09] <tgm4883> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_flag#Pay-per-view_movies_on_Cable_Provider_Provided_DVRs
[18:09] <perlmonkey> the way cable seems to be is, you can record anything that's live aired but not on demand
[18:09] <perlmonkey> on demand is view only
[18:09] <perlmonkey> its obvious to see why eh
[18:09] <tgm4883> exactly
[18:10] <perlmonkey> that content is probably providing a lot of revenue for them, like premium content you pay to view
[18:10] <perlmonkey> also much of it is probably available to them on license from owners
[18:11] <tgm4883> yea, there are a few people in the chain that like to get paid
[18:11] <perlmonkey> :D
[18:11] <perlmonkey> they don't want everyone recording and sharing it and breaking the chain/moula flow?
[18:11] <tgm4883> yea
[18:12] <tgm4883> although IMO stopping piracy isn't the number 1 reason that drm was invented
[18:13] <perlmonkey> what is the no1 reason
[18:13] <tgm4883> to stop the second hand market
[18:13] <perlmonkey> oh!
[18:14] <perlmonkey> tgm have you tried mythdora?
[18:15] <tgm4883> i've installed it in a vm
[18:15] <perlmonkey> what did you think? does it compare well with mythbuntu?
[18:16] <tgm4883> for full disclosure, I should probably state that i'm a mythbuntu developer
[18:16] <perlmonkey> ok i understand, you may be bias
[18:16] <perlmonkey> i've looked at the sites and content of both distros but not tried mythdora
[18:16] <tgm4883> it serves a purpose, but all my other systems are ubuntu, so I like to run a tight ship
[18:17] <perlmonkey> my impression so far is that mythbuntu has the edge and is more organised and professional
[18:17] <tgm4883> thanks
[18:17] <perlmonkey> some of the documentation on dora seems a little sketchy and the attitude of developers
[18:18] <perlmonkey> while buntu seems to be very well documented and the community is larger
[18:18] <tgm4883> they do a good job over there too
[18:18] <perlmonkey> yeah I think its almost equal, its probably a fair choice between either
[18:19] <tgm4883> our community is larger, but that is more due to the popularity of ubuntu
[18:19] <perlmonkey> but if you're used to buntu like i am, and coming from debian for 9 years, its easy to choose mythbuntu
[18:20] <perlmonkey> ive added my card in
[18:20] <perlmonkey> i had to guess on the type, it came up v4l, but i selected MPEG, same class as PVR150
[18:21] <perlmonkey> i managed to probe info tho and got it right which is a good sign
[18:21] <perlmonkey> thats not happend with all my other cards, even PVR150
[18:21] <perlmonkey> *it
[18:22] <perlmonkey> is it necessary to add a video source?
[18:22] <tgm4883> yea
[18:23] <perlmonkey> this part confuses me, say you only want to have your card hooked up to cable box, you still need tv source/schedule to record right eh, but for testing purposes you can bypass it?
[18:23] <tgm4883> you always have to have a tv source, even if you go into video sources and select "none"
[18:23] <perlmonkey> ah ok
[18:23] <perlmonkey> maybe thats where i been going wrong
[18:24] <tgm4883> because then you connect that video source to the input on your card, then mythtv knows which card inputs to use
[18:24] <perlmonkey> its interesting theres TWO sources for UK, why is that?
[18:24]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[18:24] <tgm4883> <- US
[18:24] <perlmonkey> oh of course
[18:24] <perlmonkey> EIT scan is for dvb?
[18:25] <tgm4883> yea
[18:25] <perlmonkey> MythTV was unable to retrieve your channel information for your provider.
[18:25] <perlmonkey> this always happens :-/
[18:26] <tgm4883> hmm
[18:26] <tgm4883> which step are you in?
[18:26] <perlmonkey> 3. Video Sources -> New Video Source -> Video Source Setup
[18:27] <tgm4883> what did you put for your source?
[18:28] <perlmonkey> I put: Video Source name: Virgin Media  Listings Grabber: United Kingdom/Republic of Ireland, Radio Times... Channel Freq: default
[18:29] <tgm4883> ah yea, heres the problem.  You have to get the guide data from somewhere, or you have to select none for guide data
[18:29] <tgm4883> in the UK, i'm not sure how thats done, although maybe Daviey will pipe in
[18:30] <perlmonkey> :-/
[18:30] <perlmonkey> it says..
[18:30] <perlmonkey> tv_grab_uk_rt: config will run in terminal
[18:30] <perlmonkey> but i dont see any terminal or can't access it
[18:31] <perlmonkey> maybe I should do this step manually after
[18:31] <tgm4883> you have to setup some XML thing to get it, I wish I could be more help here
[18:31] <tgm4883> for testing, I'd put it as none, you can always go back later
[18:31] <perlmonkey> ok no prob there must be some doc on this i expect
[18:31] <perlmonkey> yes
[18:31] <tgm4883> yea, could be in the installation manual
[18:31] <tgm4883> !installation%
[18:31] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about installation%
[18:31] <tgm4883> !manual
[18:31] <Zinn> http://mythbuntu.org/installation_manual
[18:31] <perlmonkey> woah
[18:32] <perlmonkey> i switched from the 1st UK option to the second one (shown above) and now its doing something, its gone 50% and is halted
[18:33] <perlmonkey> i remember from my experiences using mythtv some years ago (before it was even packaged into Debian/Ubuntu) that this step takes a LONG time, because it has to parse all the content from Radio Times website, or used to
[18:34] <perlmonkey> you would think they would of streamlined this by now and grab the content to one central location once weekly/fortnightly and then feed it in
[18:34] <perlmonkey> i even considered offering such a service (free) myself for UK users ages ago off my server
[18:34] <tgm4883> well, right now, it's just getting the channels
[18:34] <perlmonkey> ok
[18:34] <tgm4883> it's not actually grabbing the data yet
[18:35] <perlmonkey> I think it's stuck/broken now
[18:35] <tgm4883> well, it might be sticking it in a file for later use
[18:35] <perlmonkey> still at 50%
[18:35] <tgm4883> thats also posible that it's just not working
[18:35] <perlmonkey> :(
[18:36] <perlmonkey> i may have to CRTL ALT DEL it
[18:36] <tgm4883> hmm
[18:36] <tgm4883> yea thats not good
[18:36] <tgm4883> try alt tab
[18:37] <tgm4883> see if it's working in another window
[18:37] <perlmonkey> theres like another box behind the main one, like its whited out if u see what i mean
[18:37] <perlmonkey> ok
[18:37] <perlmonkey> woah
[18:37] <perlmonkey> its just waiting for input in the terminal its ran
[18:37] <perlmonkey> asking to choose char encoding set
[18:39] <perlmonkey> looks good
[18:40] <perlmonkey> it's now scanning
[18:41] <perlmonkey> if I want to use just cable on the coax, i still need to tune/scan for channel right?
[18:42] <perlmonkey> to get the frequency? its not like svideo or composite where you can plug a source on and its done
[18:44] <perlmonkey> ok it hasn't worked
[18:45] <perlmonkey> it locked onto 2 channels (52) which i remember is the right channel number for cable
[18:45] <tgm4883> on the coax, are you coming from a cable box?
[18:45] <perlmonkey> but im getting only white noise
[18:45] <perlmonkey> yup
[18:45] <perlmonkey> on the TV coax -> into TV input on card
[18:45] <perlmonkey> *TV out
[18:46] <perlmonkey> so what went wrong eh :-/
[18:47] <perlmonkey> it also won't let me change source using C key
[18:48] <tgm4883> hmm
[18:49] <tgm4883> over here, it should only work on channel 3 or 4
[18:49] <perlmonkey> i screwed up?
[18:49] <tgm4883> no, it's fine
[18:49] <perlmonkey> i remember from past its always 52 for my cable for some reason
[18:49] <perlmonkey> or 53
[18:49] <tgm4883> could be
[18:50] <tgm4883> it's whatever channel your tv has to be tuned to when your cable box is hooked up to it
[18:50] <perlmonkey> but im only getting white noise so something is clearly wrong
[18:50] <perlmonkey> oh
[18:50] <perlmonkey> i use A/V normally for that
[18:51] <tgm4883> hmm
[18:51] <tgm4883> sec
[18:52] <perlmonkey> im going to verify the coax is sending signal by plugging into tv antenna socket
[18:52] <tgm4883> sounds good, see what channel it's broadcasting on too
[18:52] <perlmonkey> it is
[18:53] <tgm4883> then hook it back up to the card and tune that channel
[18:53] <perlmonkey> BBC2 is on
[18:53] <tgm4883> it should come in fine
[18:53] <tgm4883> I have to run an errand real quick, but i'll be back in a few
[18:54] <perlmonkey> ok
[19:08] <perlmonkey> spotted a possible bug
[19:09] <agreene1> !help
[19:09] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[19:09] <perlmonkey> hi
[19:09] <agreene1> hello
[19:10] <agreene1> I got my mythtv up, but now it only shows channels 1-12
[19:10] <agreene1> the cable works in a tv and gets all the channels
[19:10] <agreene1> any ideas?
[19:11] <perlmonkey> all the big cheeses are away on errands, only me here
[19:11] <perlmonkey> are you using dvb or analogue?
[19:11] <agreene1> no problem....
[19:11] <perlmonkey> I'm using cable too
[19:11] <darthanubis> agreene1, go to the frontend and add cannels
[19:12] <darthanubis> did you setup a schedules direct membership?
[19:12] <perlmonkey> you can't get all the channels automatically from cable with analogue
[19:12] <agreene1> yes...I have the scehdules direct setup
[19:12] <agreene1> and it scanned all the channels
[19:12] <darthanubis> and you have to tell the frontend you have us-cable braodcast
[19:12] <agreene1> but only got signal on 12 of them
[19:12] <darthanubis> it is all in the documentation
[19:12] <perlmonkey> phew
[19:13] <agreene1> sorry...I did read over the documentation
[19:13] <agreene1> thanks...i'll look around there
[19:13] <darthanubis> no need to be sorry
[19:13] <darthanubis> I was just pointing in the right direction. The direction will be clearer than myself
[19:15] <perlmonkey> ok heres the bug, when you go back to a Input Connections and re-scan channels, myth-setup exists/shutsdown instantly
[19:16] <perlmonkey> only seems to happen if you have a source selected for the input in question, if you set to no source, it will allow you to scan for channels
[19:17] <perlmonkey> sorry hope i explained that clearly
[19:21] <agreene1> thanks for the help!  got it working now.
[19:22] <perlmonkey> ok this aint working still
[19:27] <perlmonkey> tried everything, 2 days solid i've been on this now :-/
[19:28] <perlmonkey> should be quite simple eh, just want to record from a cable box via coax
[20:01] <perlmonkey> where is tgm
[20:02] <tgm4883> perlmonkey, dev meeting, can you hook the coax directly up to your card bypassing the cablebox
[20:03] <perlmonkey> I did so and got some channels from my antenna, but poor receiption. i think it's impossible to do coax from TV out on STB, some guys in #mythtv-users say it can't work like that
[20:03] <perlmonkey> STB = cablebox
[20:03] <perlmonkey> tgm: what do you say?
[20:04] <tgm4883> well, it's not impossible, but probably rarely used.  A more used solution is with composite or svideo
[20:04] <tgm4883> with coax, you have to lock the channel
[20:04] <perlmonkey> ok
[20:05] <tgm4883> and i've always seen problems when trying to do that
[20:05] <perlmonkey> i want to do that because I want audio over coax rather than the hassle of composite and lead adapters
[20:05] <perlmonkey> as my card requires 3.5" audio in and my STB gives L R phono
[20:05] <perlmonkey> i dont got any leads to convert it, and i need to record something urgently tonight
[20:06] <perlmonkey> ok
[20:06] <perlmonkey> if you think its gonna be a load of hassle to do coax, i will do the audio problem and go with composite
[20:08] <tgm4883> well you can try
[20:08] <tgm4883> you need to find out which channel your tv is set to when hooked up directly to the cable box
[20:09] <tgm4883> then lock the card on that channel
[20:09] <tgm4883> which is done in mythtv-setup
[20:11] <perlmonkey> ok thanks i will try it
[20:13] <perlmonkey> yes its 52
[20:13] <perlmonkey> i just did it, thats the same as what my card is set to, but yet that shows white noise
[20:14] <tgm4883> ok, in mythtv-setup, you connected tuner1 to your video source
[20:16] <perlmonkey> ok
[20:18] <perlmonkey> Present tuner to channel: 52
[20:18] <perlmonkey> Starting channel: 52
[20:18] <perlmonkey> Video source: Virgin Media
[20:18] <perlmonkey> input: Tuner 1
[20:18] <perlmonkey> Capture device: MPEG: /dev/video0
[20:18] <tgm4883> ok, but what about in step 4 (I think)
[20:19] <tgm4883> thats where the two are linked together
[20:19] <perlmonkey> ya that's step 4 i just did
[20:19] <tgm4883> ok
[20:19] <perlmonkey> looks good?
[20:20] <tgm4883> yea looks fine
[20:20] <tgm4883> try using cat again
[20:20] <tgm4883> see if it gets video
[20:20] <perlmonkey> what's Transport Editor
[20:20] <perlmonkey> ok will try
[20:22] <perlmonkey> omg, it worked!
[20:22] <tgm4883> cat did?
[20:23] <tgm4883> or mythtv?
[20:23] <perlmonkey> I think so yes, cat
[20:23] <perlmonkey> i will try it again to make sure
[20:23] <tgm4883> ok
[20:25] <perlmonkey> ok false alarm
[20:25]  * perlmonkey tests again
[20:26] <perlmonkey> woah
[20:26] <perlmonkey> its definitely working over coax
[20:27] <perlmonkey> i had composite in as well as coax so couldn't be sure, i unplugged composite, used v4l2-ctl to set to tuner 1, and recorded again with cat
[20:27] <tgm4883> thats good
[20:27] <perlmonkey> it definitely recorded what i saw on tv, using coax cable only
[20:27] <perlmonkey> woohoo! i must of had a wrong cable in coax on card earlier or something, i got so many cables here
[20:28] <perlmonkey> so now in theory i should have audio?
[20:28] <perlmonkey> coming in the same stream?
[20:30] <tgm4883> yea
[20:30] <tgm4883> should work
[20:32] <perlmonkey> i dont think this box has audio its a new install i gotta try and test sound
[20:38] <tgm4883> yea test some sound outside of mythtv
[20:54] <perlmonkey> I got no sound :(
[20:54] <perlmonkey> im playing a wav file on loop with mplayer but no audio on this system at all
[20:54] <perlmonkey> something is missing or broken
[20:58] <perlmonkey> I fixed it
[21:38] <Claw6> hello i pluged an external HDD to my htpc... now how can i scan for all media on it?
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[21:51] <robertr> I'm not sure if its the right place to ask but I use a PAL-TV scart to attach to an add2 card on a gma900 chipset and even though the startup text visible as is the loading logo the seond X.org starts I get something that can only be described as red rain!? any thoughts at all or suggestions
[22:54] <tgm4883> does anyone have 8.10 or 9.04 master backend handy?
[22:56] <hads> Yeah, 8.10
[22:57] <tgm4883> hads, can you check the status of bug 156935
[22:57] <Zinn> Bug 156935 in mythbuntu "cubert.itri.brighton.ac.uk entry in mySQL privileges database" [Low, Confirmed] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/156935
[22:57] <tgm4883> it should be fixed
[22:58] <tgm4883> basically, the build server used to have a user entry in mysql
[22:59] <hads> I don't have one, but I don't reacall seeing one ever.
[22:59] <tgm4883> ok, i'm going to close that then
[23:00] <tgm4883> it should be fixed as canonical builds our disks now
[23:01] <hads> None in a friends either.
[23:01] <pinion> ok, so I'm a little new to this init.d
[23:01] <pinion> I started the service by doing /etc/init.d/sab start
[23:01] <pinion> how do I make it start at boot?
[23:01] <pinion> or will it remember that it was started?
[23:01] <hads> sab?
[23:01] <pinion> well
[23:02] <pinion> sabnzdplus
[23:02] <pinion> but I'm lazy
[23:02] <hads> If it's from a package then it will usually start by default
[23:03] <pinion> ok
[23:03] <hads> YOu can adjust things with update-rc.d
[23:03] <pinion> thanks
[23:03] <pinion> ok
[23:03] <pinion> where is that?
[23:04] <hads> It's an executable, you run it from the command line
[23:06] <perlmonkey> many thanks guys, tgm, you're the top guy
[23:07] <perlmonkey> i was able to record the show for my friend thanks to your help
[23:08] <tgm4883> perlmonkey, glad it worked out
[23:08] <perlmonkey> tgm something strange happened when i recorded
[23:09] <perlmonkey> i had setup my cable box so it played the show thru my tv via Scart lead (you dont have Scart in USA right?) and coax into my myth box
[23:10] <perlmonkey> like 10 seconds into the show starting (on demand show) immediately the TV screen went blank and a window popped up (from HDD recorder osd and said Copying Prohibited. Cannot View... meanwhile mythtv played the show normally and recorded it
[23:11] <perlmonkey> because it was going through my commercial hdd recorder to TV eh
[23:12] <perlmonkey> initially i had no sound in mythtv, even tho i had sound on PC
[23:12] <perlmonkey> but i adjusted some settings in General Setup on frontend and that fixed it
[23:13] <perlmonkey> mythtv rocks
[23:13] <perlmonkey> now im encouraged to write up my experience and test more cards and hardware
[23:14] <perlmonkey> i've learned some good skills to be able to do testing
[23:15] <tgm4883> perlmonkey, sounds like the pop up was just a info message from your recorder
[23:15] <perlmonkey> tgm4883: yes it blocked me from seeing the show on my tv
[23:15] <perlmonkey> refused to play the picture
[23:16] <tgm4883> but mythtv recorded it fine?
[23:16] <perlmonkey> thats why i hate hdd recorders now and won't use mine
[23:16] <perlmonkey> yup recorded it fine, sound and all
[23:16] <tgm4883> that is strange
[23:16] <perlmonkey> :D
[23:17] <perlmonkey> mythtv has the power to walk around encryption?
[23:18] <tgm4883> analog loophole I guess
[23:18] <perlmonkey> yes like you said earlier
[23:18] <perlmonkey> i proved it
[23:19] <perlmonkey> ive discovered that Adaptec VideOh! cards are practically identical to Hauppauge PVR-150 yet cost a fraction of the cost
[23:19] <tgm4883> thats a good deal then
[23:20] <tgm4883> are they still making them?
[23:20] <perlmonkey> this is worth mentioning on the Mythtv community pages for newcomers or anyone wanting a cheap analogue hardware encoder
[23:20] <perlmonkey> i'm not sure, but ive seen a lot being sold cheap constantly on ebay
[23:20] <perlmonkey> they also have a receiver and remote with them and lots of cables
[23:21] <perlmonkey> i would even say the Adaptec VideoOh! cards are better supported than PVR-150 as mine worked instantly out of the box in Mythtv
[23:21] <perlmonkey> but PVR-150's required some fiddling


 I can't believe I'm asking this here, but is anyone happen to be selling / throwing away a mac that is capable of building a Unity project in less than half an hour?
 I'm currently about to test out doing a hackintosh
 Actually I do know someone
 https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
 @SivaMachina, Yes, been freaking out over this all day
 Wow, is there a list of non-bugged cpu's?
 AMD reports that they are not impacted
 any unaffected intel cpu's?
 None that are known
 They say that all within the past 10 years
 woooow
 and up up up goes the amd stock


[10:34] <davmor2> xivulon: ping
[10:37] <davmor2> xivulon: wubi is suffering from this bug too but other than that and the cd reporting it's wrong everything seems to be okay :) https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/261073
[10:41] <davmor2> cjwatson: why does the installer say "An attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from CD failed."  I have a niggling feeling it may be landscape-client still but could be wrong.  Where is the best place to look?
[10:41] <persia> davmor2: At what point did you get that?  Which package didn't install?  Is there anything useful in the install logs?
[10:42] <xivulon> davmor2 could you give a second look to 204133
[10:43] <xivulon> mounting ntfs with -o syncio and copy a large file to it
[10:43] <davmor2> persia: installer says scanning the mirror which log will be most likely to show it up?
[10:43] <xivulon> last time I tried performance was crap
[10:43] <davmor2> xivulon: two ticks
[10:44] <xivulon> also if that work it would be nice to try syncio in wubi
[10:44] <persia> davmor2: Hrm.  The bottom of /target/var/log/dpkg.log ought have something, but there may be other more sensible places to discover it.
[10:45] <xivulon> to do so delete/deactivate /etc/init.d/lupin-sysctl and add ROOTFLAGS=syncio to the boot arguments
[10:47] <xivulon> cjwatson, evand I have also almost finished with the wubi python code rewrite, to the point where it almost works
[10:48] <xivulon> still have some bugs to fix with the freezing, some smaller WinUI fixes (transparency + tabstops), add translations, and code clean-up
[10:49] <cjwatson> davmor2: err, what bug number is this related to? logs?
[10:49] <xivulon> new branch is here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/wubi/intrepid.python
[10:49] <cjwatson> as ever, the installer syslog should have it. I don't think dpkg.log will be useful
[10:49] <cjwatson> (apt-get update type operations don't show up in sources.list at all)
[10:50] <cjwatson> xivulon: ok, we've passed the point where it could be accepted for intrepid though I'm afraid
[10:50] <cjwatson> last I heard you were suggesting jaunty instead yourself
[10:50] <xivulon> yep I was aware of that, and I would agree
[10:51] <cjwatson> ok, just responding to the branch name :)
[10:53] <xivulon> sorry I was late, but was really busy for me these past months (if you read financial news you'll see why), anyway hopefully the new code base would be easier to maintain
[10:54] <davmor2> cjwatson: there is some stuff in syslog I'll see if there is a bug if not I'll open one and post it up for you
[10:56] <cjwatson> I mean, specifically, that error means that 'apt-cdrom add' exited non-zero or that 'apt-cdrom ident' produced no output
[10:56] <cjwatson> davmor2: what sort of installation was this? wubi?
[10:57] <cjwatson> hmm, I suppose wubi loop-mounts /cdrom
[10:57] <davmor2> wubi but it happens on normal too and you get similar result on other versions.  But you just click okay and the install carries on
[10:57] <cjwatson> you *sure* it happens on normal installations? the cause would have to be completely different
[10:58] <davmor2> cjwatson: would you like me to do a normal install and post both syslog results to the same bug?
[10:58] <cjwatson> no, I'm doing one now
[10:59] <davmor2> cjwatson: it happens right near the end of the package install section
[10:59] <xivulon> I can confirm I have the same issue in wubi, haven't tried on regular installations, yes in wubi the ISO is mounted as /cdrom
[10:59] <davmor2> writing bug now
[11:00] <davmor2> cjwatson: I just thought it was the work round for landscape-client and didn't think that much to it so then thought I'd better ask
[11:00] <cjwatson> no, it isn't
[11:01] <cjwatson> right near the end of which package install section? there are two major phases when lots of packages are installed
[11:01] <cjwatson> this is definitely unrelated to landscape-client
[11:02] <davmor2> cjwatson:  scanning the mirror that is what the installer says behind the message box
[11:02] <cjwatson> ok, so that's apt-setup as expected
[11:03] <ganes> i booted through casper but its not detecting the other partitioon
[11:03] <ganes> cjwatson, i booted through casper but its not detecting the other partitioon
[11:04] <cjwatson> ganes: is this your modified version of Ubuntu?
[11:04] <ganes> cjwatson, yeah
[11:04] <ganes> cjwatson, is there any relation with the kernel
[11:06] <cjwatson> sigh, sory
[11:06] <cjwatson> ganes: does unmodified Ubuntu work?
[11:06] <cjwatson> (s/sory/sorry/)
[11:09] <cjwatson> davmor2: I can't reproduce this with a normal alternate CD install
[11:09] <cjwatson> which is good since that means I think I understand the problem ;-)
[11:09] <davmor2> needs to be via ubiquity
[11:11] <cjwatson> ah
[11:11] <cjwatson> well that's odd too since I thought I'd fixed that in ubiquity 1.9.12
[11:12] <cjwatson> definitely happening with current desktop images?
[11:12] <davmor2> 17.1
[11:12] <cjwatson> (I have to go out for a bit, back in <1hr)
[11:12] <davmor2> bug 271693 for syslog
[11:13] <davmor2> I only got onto live cd's late last night
[11:42] <davmor2> xivulon: I'll try out that test you want after testing is out of the way need to get alpha 6 out then I'll have some time again is that okay
[11:43] <davmor2> cjwatson: when you get back bug 271693 is present on the latest Kubuntu live cds too
[11:53] <xivulon> davmor2 that's fine, thanks a lot.
[11:55] <cjwatson> davmor2: ok, thanks. You said "wubi" in the bug; does that mean these tests are via wubi or not?
[11:55] <cjwatson> Sep 18 09:39:08 ubuntu ubiquity: /usr/lib/ubiquity/apt-setup/generators/40cdrom: 77:
[11:55] <cjwatson> Sep 18 09:39:08 ubuntu ubiquity: --pass-stdout: not found
[11:55] <cjwatson> hmm, that can't be helping
[11:55] <davmor2> cjwatson: kubuntu is a standard live install
[11:56] <cjwatson> ok
[11:56] <ganes> cjwatson, sorry for late reply ., yeah that is working
[11:57] <cjwatson> ganes: OK, then I'm afraid you have to sort it out yourself by applying divide-and-conquer to the changes you've made. We cannot help you.
[11:58] <cjwatson> davmor2: I suspect the fix is http://paste.ubuntu.com/47997/ to ubiquity but will have to test to make sure
[11:59]  * davmor2 fears respins on all live cds :(
[12:00] <cjwatson> the underlying bug there is http://paste.ubuntu.com/47998/ to apt-setup; I'll commit that upstream though, we don't particularly need it in Ubuntu immediately if ubiquity is fixed anyway
[12:00]  * davmor2 hugs cjwatson
[12:01] <davmor2> ara: on testing has just confirmed it on i386 ubuntu install
[12:02] <cjwatson> ok, just need to reproduce it myself so I can confirm my fix works
[12:19] <cjwatson> urgh, I need to sync down a newer build first. I wish everything didn't take so long
[12:20] <davmor2> cjwatson: I wish installs only took a couple of minutes, but we can't have everything we want now can we :(
[12:29] <davmor2> cjwatson: just had it confirmed too that kubuntu ubiquity does exit properly you're left with the last (click to install) page if you try closing it it says exit installation
[12:29] <cjwatson> there was a bug about that already
[12:30] <davmor2> cjwatson: I'll try tracking it down
[12:30] <cjwatson> 270423
[12:31] <davmor2> cjwatson: that's the one :)
[13:40] <cjwatson> ok, this seems to be working better now
[13:46] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2831 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.9.17
[13:52] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2832 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/apt-setup):
[13:52] <CIA-50> ubiquity: Call apt-setup with --log-output, since it breaks otherwise as of
[13:52] <CIA-50> ubiquity: apt-setup 1:0.36 (LP: #271693).
[14:03] <persia> cjwatson: Is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs04.html#preseed-partman the right place to start from to construct a proper preseed file for partman?
[14:05] <evand> persia: you should use our documentation as we diverge from d-i in areas.
[14:06] <cjwatson> WHS; use the installation-guide-i386 package
[14:07] <persia> OK.  Thanks.
[14:08] <cjwatson> or, well, installation-guide-lpia perhaps ;)
[14:09] <persia> heh.  Yeah.  I do hope to make Ubuntu MID work for other architectures at some point, but it's not going to happen for intrepid.
[14:10] <persia> I think Ubuntu Mobile is going to be i386 and lpia for intrepid, but that doesn't need nearly as much preseeding, as it uses GDM.
[14:46] <xivulon> evand bumping 258045 :)
[14:48] <evand> 04:26:49 <katkin> my head hurts :(
[14:48] <evand> 09:02:17 <evand> aww
[14:48] <evand> 09:03:26 <evand> I have just the thing for that.  Ibuprofen and kisses.
[14:48] <evand> whoops
[14:48] <evand> how embarrasing
[14:58] <evand> xivulon: on it now
[15:03] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2833 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.9.17
[15:05] <xivulon> evand thanks, will close the bug then. will it be on alpha-6?
[15:05] <evand> xivulon: I imagine so as there's going to need to be a re-roll
[15:06] <xivulon> good
[15:09] <cjwatson> wow, 261073 is quite spectacular actually
[15:10] <cjwatson> I bet somebody's been messing around with g-s-d's path again
[15:10] <evand> lovely
[15:11] <evand> between HAL and this it's quite the game of whack-a-mole we've started :)
[15:11] <cjwatson> hmm, or not
[15:11]  * cjwatson peers at ps xw from a normal session
[15:11] <evand> ah
[15:12] <evand> I've had g-s-d crash on me fairly regularly on intrepid live CDs
[15:12] <cjwatson> I don't think it's a crash though, that usually results in a dialog box doesn't it?
[15:12] <evand> ah, good point, it does
[15:13] <cjwatson> I suspect the problem might be that we aren't starting up a session bus
[15:15] <evand> xivulon: done
[15:16] <davmor2> cjwatson: Have you seen it, its ugly
[15:16] <cjwatson> yeah
[15:17] <davmor2> but only happens on the automated (don't know what else to call it) side of things
[15:18] <evand> indeed, so it's most certainly ubiquity-dm's fault.
[15:18] <cjwatson> I'm working on a patch to make it start a dbus daemon now, and see if that helps
[15:21] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48050/ WIP
[15:23] <evand> I thought KDE uses dbus now, no?  Or is it just an optional dependency?
[15:24] <cjwatson> I wasn't sure ...
[15:26] <evand> gah, why on earth is this looping back to partman-commit
[15:27] <evand> oh, somehow post install I ended up back on the summary page
[15:27] <cjwatson> (out for 15 minutes)
[15:33] <evand> 10:21:23 < cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48050/ WIP
[15:33] <evand> 10:23:54 < evand> I thought KDE uses dbus now, no?  Or is it just an optional dependency?
[15:33] <evand> 10:24:37 < cjwatson> I wasn't sure ...
[15:33] <evand> Riddell: ^ Can you clairfy this.
[15:34] <evand> It looks like gnome-settings-daemon requires a dbus session (which we currently don't provide in the Install Ubuntu mode), and we want to be sure we make the change for both kde and gtk if it's required for the former.
[15:35] <Riddell> kde uses dbus
[15:35] <Riddell> i need to start dbus for oem installer
[15:37] <evand> ok, noted
[15:37] <evand> thanks!
[15:38] <evand> interesting, I somehow managed to crash X by using less.
[15:44] <cjwatson> Riddell: so you do. Does that mean that your "Install Kubuntu" mode is broken right now?
[15:45] <Riddell> could well be havn't tried
[15:48] <cjwatson> I'm not sure I believe your dbus-launch code in oem-config-dm though :)
[15:48] <cjwatson> surely you need to extract and set environment variables from them - and I think it needs to be run with --exit-with-session
[15:59] <Riddell> it certainly made it work
[16:00] <cjwatson> curious
[16:00] <cjwatson> in my case metacity is segfaulting so I may have more than one problem
[16:00] <davmor2> Riddell: oem worked fine for me :(
[16:01] <Riddell> davmor2: is that a cause for a sad face?
[16:02] <davmor2> I couldn't be bothered to to click on the confused face :)
[16:02] <cjwatson> they're two characters. wouldn't it be easier to type them?
[16:04] <davmor2> 3 according to pidgin and I never seem to get it right :( Fail on my part me thinks
[16:06] <cjwatson> your IRC client is rendering them as two characters
[16:13] <davmor2> evand: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/migration-assistant/+bug/180309 I'm confused why would M-A have anything to do with localisation?
[16:13] <cjwatson> this is tedium squared to debug
[16:14] <evand> davmor2: that's a hard one to fix without pulling in some additional dependencies.
[16:15] <cjwatson> this is YA reason why localised directory names are a stupid idea
[16:15] <evand> but basically, it needs to write to the proper xdg directories
[16:15] <evand> indeed
[16:15] <evand> what is? the g-s-d bug?
[16:16] <cjwatson> tedium squared? yes
[16:16] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/261073 that one
[16:16] <cjwatson> except I think I fingered g-s-d incorrectly, but 261073 anyway
[16:17] <evand> ah
[16:17] <cjwatson> I'm trying to fix metacity falling over and hoping that'll be good enough to fix the rest
[16:19] <cjwatson> it seems to want gconfd to be running
[16:19] <evand> why do I have the feeling we're going to end up running most of GNOME ;)
[16:20] <superm1> would it be worthwhile to perhaps ship another more lightweight WM on the disk to run instead?
[16:21] <cjwatson> I'd rather have it look pretty much like Ubuntu at least at the window management level.
[16:22] <davmor2> Riddell: when you could get the end message on the installer was it on a dual boot or single install?
[16:23] <cjwatson> gconfd is not very heavy in terms of memory use
[16:25] <Riddell> davmor2: single install
[16:26] <davmor2> I've just finished auto resize and I got the end message :-?
[16:26] <davmor2> :-/ even
[16:28] <evand> hrm
[16:29] <Riddell> I've not been able to recreate it this afternoon
[16:29] <Riddell> maybe it's a morning problem only..
[16:29] <evand> lol
[16:29] <davmor2> Riddell: great tell every to only install in the afternoon :D
[16:30] <evand> hrm, "Language: 10 languagechooser/language-name doesn't exist" - I thought cjwatson fixed that.
[16:32] <evand> oh whoops
[16:32] <evand> 1.9.7 != 1.9.17
[16:33] <davmor2> D'oh
[16:45] <bdmurray> I did an OEM install and had not internet access and now have no finalize icon on the desktop for the oem install.  Is that expected?
[16:49] <cjwatson> bdmurray: could well be a consequence of bug 271693
[16:49] <cjwatson> that would mean that apt doesn't know about the CD during installation (could also break localisation etc.)
[16:50] <bdmurray> I did see that error message
[16:51] <bdmurray> cjwatson: thanks
[16:52] <_ruben> hrm .. my installation seems to hang at "validating coreutils..." .. nothing to happen .. performing installation over remote kvm with a virtual cdrom over the network .. any hints on how to troubleshoot?
[16:52] <_ruben> i thought perhaps it'd have troubles reading the virtual cd, but that doesnt seem to be the case .. ls in /cdrom works fine, and no timeouts or anything in dmesg
[16:53] <bdmurray> cjwatson: do you have time for a ssh question?
[16:54] <_ruben> hmm .. apparently it doesnt hang, but is just dogslow
[16:56] <_ruben> loadavg of 1 .. cant be good
[16:57] <cjwatson> bdmurray: probably
[16:58] <bdmurray> cjwatson: I see the following when ssh'ing to systems
[16:58] <bdmurray> debug1: PEM_read_PrivateKey failed
[16:58] <bdmurray> debug1: read PEM private key done: type <unknown>
[17:00] <cjwatson> unfortunate that it doesn't say in what why, but that suggests that your private key is corrupt
[17:00] <cjwatson> s/why/way/
[17:01] <bdmurray> that's time impression I'd got from what I'd read
[17:02] <cjwatson> in the sense that it no longer parses
[17:02] <cjwatson> it's the OpenSSL function to read the key that's failing
[17:21] <evand> I can confirm that 270423 isn't occuring every time.
[17:36] <cjwatson> anyone else remember typing in 8-bit micro programs out of magazines?
[17:37] <cjwatson> this is JUST LIKE THAT.
[17:37] <evand> hahaha
[17:45] <cjwatson> HAHA YOU BASTARD DBUS/GCONF SPAWN I GOT YOU
[17:46] <cjwatson> only took 2.5 hours :-/
[17:46] <cjwatson> may break a11y, I'm not sure
[17:46] <cjwatson> I think probably post-a6
[17:59] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2834 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.9.18
[18:09] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2835 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog):
[18:09] <CIA-50> ubiquity: Start dbus and (in the case of the GTK frontend) gconfd in only-ubiquity
[18:09] <CIA-50> ubiquity: mode (LP: #261073). I'm not entirely certain that accessibility will
[18:09] <CIA-50> ubiquity: keep working with this ...
[18:52] <davmor2> cjwatson: this is the other bug in xubuntu that I couldn't find earlier https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/261340
[19:19] <vincouille> hi all
[19:28] <vincouille> I've got a problem with tasksel when trying to install ubuntustudio-desktop with a netboot install.
[19:30] <vincouille> here is the corresponding syslog:
[19:30] <vincouille> Sep 18 11:36:59 in-target: Couldn't find task ubuntustudio-desktop
[19:30] <vincouille> Sep 18 11:36:59 in-target:
[19:30] <vincouille> Sep 18 11:36:59 in-target: tasksel: aptitude failed (100)
[19:30] <vincouille> is this bug already known ?
[20:09] <cjwatson> vincouille: no, I hadn't heard of that; could you put the full syslog somewhere, please?
[20:10] <cjwatson> oh, actually, yes, it is known
[20:11] <cjwatson> vincouille: bug 199649
[20:11] <cjwatson> davmor2: that's a germinate bug that I've fixed, but we're deferring the fix until after alpha-6 'cos it's quite invasive
[20:12] <davmor2> cjwatson: np's I just couldn't find it before so was just highlighting it so it wasn't forgotten :)
[20:13] <cjwatson> bug 271309
[20:23] <davmor2> cjwatson: that's the one I couldn't find before :)
[20:57] <evand> Not sure what relevance this has, but 270423 only occurs the first time you run ubiquity.
[23:46] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2836 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/tzsetup):
[23:46] <CIA-50> ubiquity: Set OVERRIDE_SHOW_ALL_LANGUAGES while calling localechooser on the
[23:46] <CIA-50> ubiquity: timezone page as well as on the language page itself (LP: #253749).
[23:47] <persia> Does that fix the oddity of preselected location based on language?
[23:47] <cjwatson> which exact oddity? :)
[23:48] <cjwatson> you mean how the location is always Algiers for many languages?
[23:58] <persia> Perhaps.  I was thinking about how it was never Japan for English.
[23:59] <cjwatson> not quite sure I understand you. Why would Japan be a sensible default for English?
[23:59] <persia> It wouldn't.