[06:18] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:03] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[07:03] <duflu> seb128, unusually good. You?
[07:04] <seb128> I've a rather annoying cold since yesterday (nose blocked, headache) but otherwise fine
[07:04] <duflu> Crap
[07:06] <seb128> yeah, that winter has not been good in this regard for me :/
[07:14] <didrocks> good morning seb128, duflu
[07:14] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:15] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme ?
[07:17] <didrocks> seb128: ça va, un peu la gorge qui gratte, et pas mal le bourdon après avoir vu la 2ème partie de la soirée de la fin de Nolife
[07:17] <didrocks> seb128: toi, encore malade à ce que je vois :/
[07:23] <seb128> didrocks, :(
[07:24] <seb128> didrocks, ouais, gros rhume, j'enchaine :/
[07:24] <didrocks> :/
[07:35] <willcooke> morning
[07:35] <willcooke> jamesh, please can you email me your weekly update bullets before EOD
[07:35] <jamesh> willcooke: sure
[07:35] <willcooke> alsO; hi!
[07:36] <jamesh> willcooke: btw, I'm giving a talk at tonight's Perth LUG meeting
[07:39] <jamesh> https://www.meetup.com/Perth-Linux-Users-Group-PLUG/events/249443524/ <- about snaps on the desktop
[07:39] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:40] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:42] <willcooke> jamesh, awesome!  /me shares
[07:59] <didrocks> waow, builders are heavily lagging behind…
[07:59] <didrocks> like 59 minutes wait for some arch
[07:59] <didrocks> (transitions ppa, to testbuild symbols file addition with regexp)
[08:03] <Laney> just turned the light off, started walking out of the room to come upstairs
[08:04] <Laney> AND IT TURNED BACK ON
[08:04] <Laney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7yjRxZIUvQ
[08:04] <didrocks> tadada
[08:04] <Laney> hi ^_^
[08:09] <seb128> hey Laney!
[08:10] <Laney> hey seb128!
[08:10] <Laney> what up
[08:10] <Laney> sorry about the cold :'(
[08:21] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:22] <willcooke> hi oSoMoN
[08:22] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[08:25] <oSoMoN> hey willcooke, didrocks
[08:25] <Laney> hey didrocks oSoMoN willcooke
[08:25] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[08:25] <Laney> :3
[08:56] <Nafallo> morning :-)
[08:57] <Nafallo> finally got bored of work blocking ssh home and set up bluetooth network sharing on my phone with a specific route on the laptop ;-)
[09:02] <didrocks> https://didrocks.fr/2018/04/10/welcome-to-the-ubuntu-bionic-age-new-wip-ubuntu-theme-as-a-snap/ announced on twitter/G+/hub
[09:04] <oSoMoN> didrocks, cool!
[09:05] <oSoMoN> so we haven't devised a better name than Communitheme yet?
[09:06] <didrocks> oSoMoN: it's still the WIP name, we'll bikeshed on the naming once it will enter the distro
[09:07] <oSoMoN> ack,
[09:07] <oSoMoN> I don't really care about the name myself, I just seem to remember that some people dislike it
[09:08] <didrocks> I guess we just got rule 1: work very hard on something, first feedback is something negative :p
[09:08] <oSoMoN> didrocks, yeah, that's what you get for working in the open…
[09:09] <willcooke> Nafallo, :)) I just moved my SSH server to listen on port 443, that got round their blocking completely
[09:09] <oSoMoN> ricotz, good morning! FYI I did a test build of 6.0.3 in https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/lo-test/+packages and successfully ran autopkgtest, I'll do a round of manual testing and if everything goes well I will request an upload
[09:13] <Nafallo> willcooke: I've got apache on 443 ;-)
[09:15] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi, great! :)
[09:16] <tjaalton> willcooke: re: the resume issue from yesterday; yes gnome-shell, and the bug seb128 pointed out matches the description, nice to see it's getting some action upstream after three years ;)
[09:17] <seb128> tjaalton, glad that it sounds like your issue and is being worked on!
[09:23]  * oSoMoN reboots to communitheme snap session
[09:24]  * didrocks cross fingers and tells in advance "wfm and works in a VM" :)
[09:25]  * seb128 files the UIFe to make it default, it works, ship it!
[09:26] <didrocks> ahah
[09:26] <seb128> it would also mean free pizzas for me I'm sure, getting Marc_o off fixing the old one :p
[09:26] <oSoMoN> didrocks, it works so far, and it looks pleasant, but gtk2 apps are not themed, known issue?
[09:26] <didrocks> oSoMoN: hum, they should be, missing some recommends?
[09:26] <didrocks> there are 2 recommends on ubuntu-session
[09:26] <didrocks> gnome-themes-extra, gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[09:26] <didrocks> are those installed for you?
[09:27] <oSoMoN> yes, both are installed
[09:27] <didrocks> let me test that in my vm
[09:27] <didrocks> I didn't test explicitely GTK2 apps
[09:27] <oSoMoN> I'm on the stable channel, and I tested xchat and revelation
[09:28]  * didrocks installs xchat
[09:29] <didrocks> yeah, confirming
[09:29] <didrocks> my bet is that the pixbuf theme engine doesn't respect XDG_DATA_DIRS
[09:31] <oSoMoN> oh my, I'm using more gtk2 apps than I thought :)
[09:32] <didrocks> ahah, at least, you recognize them! Patch them all :p
[09:32] <didrocks> so yeah, I need to look into libadwaita and pixbuf engines
[09:32] <didrocks> (anyway, the GTK2 theme is way behind the GTK3 one already)
[09:33] <didrocks> ubuntu-report finally built on all archs! Uploading
[09:40] <didrocks> oSoMoN: bug opened and blog post amended, thanks!
[09:40] <oSoMoN> cool, thanks to you!
[09:41] <oSoMoN> didrocks, can you share the bug link, so I can subscribe to it?
[09:41] <didrocks> oSoMoN: https://github.com/ubuntu/gtk-communitheme/issues/322
[09:41] <ubot5-ng> ubuntu bug 322 in gtk-communitheme "GTK2 apps aren't themed in the snap" (comments: 0) [Open]
[09:41] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 322 in straw (Ubuntu) "straw should depend on python-gnome2-extras" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/322
[09:42] <oSoMoN> cheers
[09:42] <didrocks> yw ;)
[09:44] <oSoMoN> didrocks, when the chromium window doesn't have focus, the outline of tabs is very black, that looks a bit too strong to my eye, has this been reported already?
[09:45] <didrocks> oSoMoN: I would look at the gtk project issues. I know this has been discussed many times on the forum, but perhaps a bug report is more appropriate?
[09:46] <oSoMoN> didrocks, ack, will look for an existing report, and if I can't find one I'll file it
[10:45] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, do we want a glib2 update? <-- Laney
[10:46] <Laney> LocutusOfBorg: Please do not merge that upload in unstable, we need to fix it, it's in hand
[10:50] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks, I see a lot of triggers stuff on git
[10:51] <LocutusOfBorg> in case, can you please steal the merge? :p
[10:51] <Laney> I know about it, don't worry
[10:51] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't want to have desktop stuff with my name on MoM
[10:51] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[11:25] <Laney> that was intentse
[11:25] <Laney> intense
[11:25] <Laney> got the volume-key testcase to pass 😅
[11:27] <jbicha> thank you!
[11:28] <Laney> not actually sure how/where to put that though
[11:29] <oSoMoN> didrocks, LO snap is looking psychedelic with communitheme: https://imgur.com/a/qCFuB
[11:45] <Laney> willcooke: don't suppose you know if nhaines is going to deliver the wallpapers to a bug or something?
[11:49] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, seb128: I prepared a LO 6.0.3 upload at https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/libreoffice-6.0.3/, can one of you please upload it?
[11:49] <willcooke> Laney, yeah I spoke to him yesterday over email, he's going to try and get it done this week.  I have the links to the images though, so is there something I can do to get started?
[11:50] <Laney> willcooke: A zip file of properly resized images is what I usually get
[11:51] <Laney> probably quite tedious to gather that, so maybe leave it to him :P
[11:54] <willcooke> Laney, what's properly resized?  16:9 with a min resoluton?
[11:54] <willcooke> oh, lemme look at the existing ones, I can probably work that out
[11:56] <jbicha> mpt: ping
[11:57] <Laney> willcooke: 3240x2160 mostly, although some are a bit different
[11:57] <Laney> so I don't think he actually adjust the images if the ratio isn't right
[11:57] <Laney> they are all x2160
[11:58] <willcooke> ack thx
[11:58] <willcooke> I've downloaded them all now, so I will resize and CRUUUUUSH
[11:58] <Laney> |M|
[11:59] <Laney> oh the file name format is Image_Title_by_Image_Author.jpg
[12:00] <willcooke> bah, the file he's sent me isn't the pictures at all
[12:01] <Laney> rickroll'd
[12:01] <Laney> he posted the list on planet
[12:02] <seb128> oSoMoN, I can have a look in a bit
[12:03] <seb128> jbicha, you might want to include context in a ping to m_pt if you want a reply
[12:03] <jbicha> I'm trying to follow up on my question from yesterday about gnome-initial-setup design: who and where to discuss some issues
[12:04] <seb128> willcooke can perhaps help you?
[12:04] <jbicha> um ok
[12:05] <seb128> we have a launchpad bug reports, comments on the google doc, bugs on the design team github project
[12:06] <seb128> unsure what's the right way/person for that one though
[12:06] <seb128> jbicha, maybe you could share the questions/feedback on the channel to start?
[12:06] <jbicha> I opened bug reports but need to discuss them
[12:07] <jbicha> ok, let's start with bug 1762192
[12:07] <ubot5`> bug 1762192 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Welcome could offer to set up Online Accounts" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762192
[12:08] <seb128> Agreed that would be an useful feature but that's for next cycle at this point
[12:08] <seb128> (or .1 if we want to be agressive in improving the user experience there and we think that's one of those cases)
[12:08] <willcooke> jbicha, that bug, point #1: Design have agreed to let us lay it out the way that upstream design works, and they will review it later.
[12:09] <jbicha> I should have mentioned on that bug report bug 1762195 as justification for that change
[12:09] <ubot5`> bug 1762195 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Welcome to Ubuntu doesn't make as much sense if user isn't admin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762195
[12:09] <willcooke> @ connecting online accounts - yes, but not this cycle.
[12:09] <ubot5-ng> willcooke: Error: "connecting" is not a valid command.
[12:10] <jbicha> I think Design only expected the wizard to show for the first issue, but that's now how gnome-intial-setup was designed upstream and currently works
[12:10] <jbicha> *show for the first user
[12:11] <jbicha> I'll just go ahead and post my other bug numbers here
[12:11] <seb128> jbicha, well, the installer always create an admin user so in practice that's not an issue for the first user, and I think ubuntu-welcome only makes sense for that one user, at least in its current version
[12:11] <seb128> so it's basically a non issue this cycle?
[12:11] <jbicha> well then we need to modify gnome-initial-setup if that's what we want to do
[12:11] <jbicha> it is definitely an issue :)
[12:11] <seb128> to just act once for the first user?
[12:12] <jbicha> yes
[12:12] <seb128> wfm
[12:12] <jbicha> some of my bugs just need clarification about what it is we want to do, so we can then try to fix them
[12:12] <jbicha> for instance, bug 1762199
[12:12] <ubot5`> bug 1762199 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Help improve Ubuntu suggests Settings > Privacy > Diagnostics but that page doesn't exist" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762199
[12:13] <willcooke> that one's just a bug, Robett has commented, so is aware
[12:13] <seb128> well, the intend is to point to the privacy panel which should have a matching control
[12:13] <seb128> engineering work is still needed
[12:14] <jbicha> will the control be renamed to Diagnostics or will it reuse Problem Reporting (or will there be both controls in Privacy)?
[12:15] <seb128> I don't think it's likely to be implemented for release at this point
[12:15] <seb128> we should probably just update the screen to not have that mention
[12:15] <seb128> also the only thing we connected to feedback atm is the one shot reporting of installer/systems datas
[12:16] <jbicha> my initial proposal was to include both strings so that translations would be good whichever way we went
[12:20] <jbicha> bug 1762287 is complex but "interesting"
[12:20] <ubot5`> bug 1762287 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Offer Ubuntu customizations in new user mode too" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762287
[12:20] <seb128> jbicha, the concept of "send occasional info" and the reference to settings in any form doesn't make sense atm
[12:20] <seb128> since we only implement a one shot send for one user
[12:21] <jbicha> that's not hooked up with whoopsie?
[12:22] <seb128> I didn't look at the code from Robert but my understanding was that it's not at this point
[12:23] <jbicha> ok so we could include both strings but don't show either in the UI
[12:24] <seb128> wfm
[12:24] <jbicha> and we could have two strings, one with "occasional" and switch to the non-occasional one now
[12:25] <seb128> right
[12:25] <jbicha> "Yes, send system info to Canonical"
[12:25] <seb128> "new user mode" is also an interesting problem
[12:25] <seb128> most of the things you raise are extra feature or extra use of the feature/use in other contextes
[12:25] <seb128> e.g feature work for next cycle
[12:26] <seb128> now is probably not the right time for us to think too much about that and I expect the same is true for design
[12:26] <willcooke> Laney, now I've got the right file :)
[12:26] <jbicha> sure, it might be backportable to like 18.04.1 or .2
[12:26] <seb128> right
[12:27] <jbicha> it's not really a priority since our installer doesn't work like that anyway :)
[12:27] <seb128> but I think the limiting point is engineering work
[12:27] <seb128> not design
[12:27] <seb128> like their design make sense, we just didn't plug in enough of the backends to match the design
[12:34] <jbicha> willcooke: btw, upstream tried making smaller vp9 videos for "most locales" but the tarball size didn't change much
[12:34] <jbicha> https://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-getting-started-docs/3.28/
[12:35] <seb128> :/
[12:36] <jbicha> oh there were some new translations I guess
[12:37] <jbicha> like French went from 98 KB to 9.5 MB https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-getting-started-docs/3.28.0-0ubuntu1/+build/14466567
[12:37] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-getting-started-docs/3.28.1-0ubuntu1/+build/14744624
[12:39] <jbicha> hmm, strange all the langs in the older one had small sizes
[12:41] <seb128> they just didn't have translated videos
[12:41] <seb128> so symlinks to the english one
[12:50] <willcooke> Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/1762722
[12:50] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1762722 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 18.04 LTS Free Culture Showcase community wallpapers" [Undecided,New]
[12:53] <kenvandine> seb128, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ken-vandine/gedit_3.28.0_amd64.snap
[12:53] <kenvandine> seb128, try that out please
[13:29] <jibel> seb128, do you know if a11y-profile-manager has been replaced by something else?
[13:29] <seb128> kenvandine, sorry I saw your ping but just busy with other things atm
[13:29] <seb128> jibel, it hasn't
[13:29] <kenvandine> seb128, no worries
[13:29] <willcooke> meeting time
[13:29] <kenvandine> seb128, it's really translated now :)
[13:30] <seb128> kenvandine; nice!
[13:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-04-10
[13:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr 10 13:30:07 2018 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:30] <jibel> seb128, it is not on the image and has been demoted to universe, that explains the lack of a11y support
[13:30] <jibel> o/
[13:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:30] <didrocks> hey
[13:30] <seb128> jibel, it shouldn't, the indicator is not needed
[13:30] <kenvandine> o/
[13:30] <andyrock> hey
[13:30] <seb128> let's discuss after the meeting
[13:30] <seb128> hey!
[13:30] <jibel> seb128, lets talk after the meeting
[13:31] <willcooke> So this week I'll try to do it properly.  We'll go down the list and please comment on if you have any rls bugs and what the status of them is.  Then at the end we'll go through the new ones, decide if they are rls bugs or not and assign if needed.
[13:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[13:32] <willcooke> And to make things a bit easuer, I have a URL for each of you
[13:32] <willcooke> (I think)(
[13:32] <willcooke> Looks like we have enough people to get started
[13:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[13:32] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=andyrock
[13:33] <andyrock> Rls bugs:
[13:33] <andyrock> - LP: #1762082 (Fix released!)
[13:33] <andyrock> - LP: #1760117 (Fix released!)
[13:33] <andyrock> Others:
[13:33] <andyrock> - Completed:
[13:33] <andyrock> 	- Fix for LP: #1760858 merged upstream (https://github.com/Guake/guake/commit/3593b9d6e12c984338903f6610a23317cd4e5d9a)
[13:33] <andyrock> 	- Fix for LP: #1760096
[13:33] <andyrock> 	- Merged the work done for livepatch page in ubuntu-welcome
[13:33] <andyrock> - WIP:
[13:33] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1762082 in software-properties (Ubuntu Bionic) "software-properties-common <IP_ADDRESS> bloats dependencies on server" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762082
[13:33] <andyrock> 	- Proposed fix for LP: #1761569
[13:33] <andyrock> 	- Updated fix for LP: #1749007 after response from squashfs
[13:33] <andyrock> 	- Fix proposed for LP: #1761841 - review in progress
[13:33] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1760117 in software-properties (Ubuntu Bionic) "software-properties-gtk installs canonical-livepatch from edge" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1760117
[13:33] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1760858 in guake (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/guake:UnboundLocalError:on_window_halign_value_changed" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1760858
[13:33] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1760096 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/software-properties-gtk:GLib.GError:/usr/bin/software-properties-gtk@101:__init__:init_livepatch:__init__:_load" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1760096
[13:33] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1761569 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Live Patch page doesn't correctly handle existing setup" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761569
[13:33] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1749007 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) "Snap mounts should be hidden from System Monitor" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1749007
[13:33] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1761841 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "Notification for livepatch are not shown." [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761841
[13:33] <andyrock> EOW
[13:33] <andyrock> just the first two are rls bugs (already completed!)
[13:33] <andyrock> - fix proposed for LP: #1759468 (rejected for the moment, I'll continue the conversation with upstream later today)
[13:33] <andyrock> Reviews:
[13:33] <andyrock> - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/migrate-gnome-desktop-files/+merge/342685
[13:34] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1759468 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center (11) gtk_style_context_clear_property_cache → gtk_css_widget_node_update_style → gtk_css_node_ensure_style → gtk_css_node_ensure_style → gtk_css_node_validate_internal" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759468
[13:34] <willcooke> thanks andyrock, just reading that squashfs one
[13:34] <willcooke> will continue to read later.
[13:34] <willcooke> thanks
[13:34] <willcooke> confirmed that your rls list is empty, good stuff
[13:35] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[13:35] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=didrocks
[13:35] <didrocks> hey!
[13:35] <didrocks> Telemetry:
[13:35] <didrocks>   * Last evolution of C API for sysmetrics requested by Robert: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-report/1.0.3
[13:35] <didrocks> Communitheme:
[13:35] <didrocks>   * Add snap support to communitheme.
[13:35] <didrocks>   * Craft snapcraft.yaml and CI system so that every push to any of master project (one of the 5 projects for communitheme) create a new unique snap. Also, ensure any PR+following commits create a branch snap for people to test. Comments automatically generated on github.
[13:35] <didrocks>   * Factor out those build tools in https://github.com/ubuntu/communitheme-snap-helpers for easier maintainance
[13:35] <didrocks>   * Communicate and coordinate our plan with the core communitheme team via the hub: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/snapping-communitheme/4890. Some of them now have realease management rights!
[13:35] <didrocks>   * Found along the way some snapcraft release bug + documentation: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1761127
[13:35] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1761127 in Snapcraft "On Travis (not a real vte), releasing to a branch name during snapcraft push prints a stacktrace" [High,Fix committed]
[13:35] <didrocks>   * Prepare blog post resulting in https://didrocks.fr/2018/04/10/welcome-to-the-ubuntu-bionic-age-new-wip-ubuntu-theme-as-a-
[13:35] <didrocks> No rls bug
[13:35] <didrocks> .
[13:35] <didrocks> (last link is https://didrocks.fr/2018/04/10/welcome-to-the-ubuntu-bionic-age-new-wip-ubuntu-theme-as-a-snap/)
[13:35] <willcooke> great blog post
[13:35] <willcooke> thanks didrocks
[13:35] <didrocks> thx ;)
[13:35] <willcooke> confirmed that your rls list is empty
[13:35] <willcooke> #topic duflu
[13:36] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=vanvugt
[13:36] <willcooke> * Gnome Shell memory usage:
[13:36] <willcooke>   - BIG NEWS: The main leak in gnome-shell (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1672297) has a fix coming upstream, surprisingly in GJS. So even perfectly written JS and GObject code in gnome-shell was still leaking, thanks to GJS (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gjs/merge_requests/114). We'll definitely grab that as soon as something lands.
[13:36] <willcooke>   - Massive texture leak from last week; seems to have vanished after Easter!? (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/160) Although I would expect the GJS fix to probably resolve it, based on where I got up to.
[13:36] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1672297 in gjs (Ubuntu Bionic) "gnome-shell uses lots of memory, and grows over time" [High,Triaged]
[13:36] <willcooke> * Gnome Shell performance fixes:
[13:36] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 114 in gjs "WIP: Queue a GC when a toggle reference goes from >1 to 1" (comments: 7) [Opened]
[13:36] <willcooke>   - Made another serious attempt at reducing gnome-shell's CPU requirement. Click through for some exciting numbers: (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/73)
[13:36] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug 160 in gnome-shell "st_widget_paint_background leaks about 5MB of textures every time I open/close the activities overview" (comments: 7) [Closed]
[13:36] <ubot5`> Error: Gnome bug 160 could not be found
[13:36] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 73 in gnome-shell "js/ui: Choose some actors to cache on the GPU" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:36] <willcooke>   - Clutter master clock fix to improve smoothness and increase frame rates (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/70): Upstream finally woke up and started commenting on the previous version. But after I implemented the trivial docs change they requested, found another bug. So then spent a day redesigning the algorithm.
[13:36] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 70 in mutter "clutter: Smooth out master clock to smooth visuals" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:36] <willcooke>   - Relevant note from last week: My first improvement to Wayland graphics performance is due for imminent release with mutter 3.28.1 this week.
[13:36] <willcooke> * Bluetooth:
[13:36] <willcooke>   - The main complaint this week turned out to be a non-bug. Users often mistake benign log messages for being related to other problems they experience. (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754836)
[13:36] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1749546 in Fontconfig "duplicate for #1754836 Booting a live session is slow - fontconfig regenerates its font cache" [Medium,Confirmed]
[13:36] <willcooke> * Libinput:
[13:36] <willcooke>   - More time spent hardware testing and updating bugs.
[13:36] <willcooke>   - NEWS: v1.10.4 has been tagged upstream, with a good improvement in responsiveness for many touchpads (because I kept reporting bugs upstream and identified what needed backporting). IMHO though it's still only half as good as what's in master (future v1.11).
[13:37] <willcooke> * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm3, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio, dkms, wayland, totem, mpv, libinput.
[13:37] <willcooke>   - Pleasing progress this week: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRDHPxGBHqM6XkT_S8ggtYfD0xchKSUD_z9PopNVE3G1rU05fVSnxDGcDsEstl7gu7N-tzCU6mLUp2V/pubchart?oid=254968654&format=interactive
[13:38] <willcooke> No mention of that bug above I think
[13:38] <willcooke> kk, lets speak to duflu in the morning about that one
[13:38] <seb128> right
[13:39] <willcooke> lots to read there too, will do that in amo
[13:39] <willcooke> #topic jbicha
[13:39] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=jbicha
[13:39] <jbicha> • Filed multiple gnome-initial-setup (ubuntu-welcome) bugs
[13:39] <jbicha> • Customized gnome-initial-setup's logo and name https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings/18.04.2
[13:39] <jbicha> • Completely dropped the imagemagick .desktop to fix multiple issues
[13:39] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagemagick/8:<IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg-16ubuntu6
[13:39] <jbicha> • Split gnome-startup-applications to separate binary pkg to allow it to be uninstalled LP: #1756788
[13:39] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1756788 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "Removing "Startup Applications" in "Ubuntu Software" makes the system unable to launch GDM" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756788
[13:39] <jbicha> • Allowed totem to be uninstallable from GNOME Software
[13:39] <jbicha> • Built bionic's webkit2gtk with gstreamergl, fixing unpausing videos LP: #1752197
[13:39] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1752197 in webkit2gtk (Ubuntu Artful) "Videos won't resume after being paused" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752197
[13:39] <jbicha> • GNOME 3.28.1 releases
[13:39] <jbicha> • Announced call for nominations for DMB
[13:39] <jbicha> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2018-April/001241.html
[13:39] <jbicha> • No current bionic rls tracking bugs
[13:39] <jbicha> 🌄
[13:40] <willcooke> confirmed your rls list is empty.  Thanks jbicha
[13:40] <willcooke> #topic jamesh
[13:40] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=jamesh
[13:40] <willcooke> snapd:
[13:40] <willcooke> * finished a secure bind mount implementation that passed Jamie's
[13:40] <willcooke> security review: we carefully open file descriptors for the mount
[13:40] <willcooke> source and destination, and then perform a mount between
[13:40] <willcooke> "/proc/self/fd/NNN" paths, which avoids all the symlink attacks.
[13:40] <willcooke> * Rebased my old user-mounts branch to filter out the parts that have
[13:40] <willcooke> been landed separately.  Combining this with the secure bind mount
[13:40] <willcooke> implementation, and I think we've removed all the blockers for landing
[13:40] <willcooke> it.  We will then be able to properly support xdg-document-portal
[13:40] <willcooke> (i.e. trusted helper file open/save dialogs)
[13:40] <willcooke> * I still need to follow up on theming: it isn't clear when we can
[13:40] <willcooke> expect the snapcraft features to avoid including boilerplate plug
[13:40] <willcooke> declarations.  Perhaps the best option is to publish gtk-common-themes
[13:40] <willcooke> along with information about what boilerplate an app developer needs
[13:40] <willcooke> to include to access the themes.
[13:40] <willcooke> community:
[13:40] <willcooke> * I'm giving a talk about confined apps on the Ubuntu desktop at
[13:40] <willcooke> tonight's PLUG meeting.
[13:40] <willcooke> rls list is empty.
[13:41] <willcooke> #topic jibel
[13:41] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=jibel
[13:41] <jibel> * Bionic Beta 2 testing
[13:41] <jibel> * Verified the fontconfig fix. Boot speed improved by 130s on a test machine (64s against 194s without the fix)
[13:41] <jibel> * Reviewed and verified fixes in Ubiquity to have ttys in maybe-ubiquity and only-ubiquity modes.
[13:41] <jibel> * Release bugs:
[13:41] <jibel>  - Bug 1741690
[13:41] <ubot5`> bug 1741690 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Bionic) "You can't enable the Orca screen reader until after you click "Try Ubuntu" on Ubuntu bionic" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741690
[13:41] <jibel>  - Bug 1758647
[13:41] <ubot5`> bug 1758647 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Bionic) "ubiquity doesn't preselect the right default keyboard layout" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758647
[13:41] <jibel> eof
[13:41] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=heber
[13:41] <willcooke> lists empty
[13:41] <willcooke> jibel, should that orca bug be a rls blocker?
[13:42] <jibel> willcooke, yes, I think so
[13:42] <willcooke> it's already targeted
[13:42] <jibel> it's an lts
[13:42] <seb128> it is one no?
[13:42] <jibel> without a11y support it'd be a major feature missing
[13:42] <seb128> jibel, the idea of listing the release bugs is also to give a status update of them
[13:43] <jibel> I just started on it
[13:43] <seb128> k, that's the status then
[13:43] <seb128> should be next to the bug number in the summary :)
[13:43] <jibel> so the status is ... investigating where it's broken :)
[13:43] <jibel> okay
[13:43] <willcooke> I wonder why it's not showing in that list
[13:44] <seb128> what list?
[13:44] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=jibel
[13:45] <seb128> it does?
[13:45] <seb128> the orca one
[13:45] <seb128> the second one is assigned to me in launchpad
[13:45] <willcooke> ohm
[13:45] <willcooke> reload and there it is
[13:46] <willcooke> ok, ignore
[13:46] <willcooke> :)
[13:46] <willcooke> thanks jibel
[13:46] <seb128> he said he was going to poke at it but we didn't reasign (yet)
[13:46] <jibel> and I'd like to steal the second one from seb128 since I'm the installer I can have a look.
[13:46] <jibel> I'm on* the
[13:46] <willcooke> thanks
[13:46] <willcooke> please assign as needed
[13:46] <willcooke> #topic kenvandine
[13:46] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=ken-vandine
[13:46] <kenvandine> * More progress on XDG User Dirs handling, I need to make some changes based on review feedback https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/103
[13:46] <kenvandine> * Fixed a bug in the bindtextdomain LD_PRELOAD branch which gets us fully translated gtk dialogs https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/106
[13:46] <kenvandine> * Merged CI snap builds of gnome-software into our ubuntu-master branch.  We'll now get automated builds in the edge channel.
[13:46] <kenvandine> * No assigned rls bugs
[13:46] <ubot5-ng> ubuntu bug (Pull request) 103 in snapcraft-desktop-helpers "If the user-dirs.* exists in the $REALHOME, link them into the snap's XDG_CONFIG_HOME." (comments: 4) [Open]
[13:47] <kenvandine> ⚾
[13:47] <ubot5-ng> ubuntu bug (Pull request) 106 in snapcraft-desktop-helpers "LD_PRELOAD bindtextdomain to load translations from multiple paths" (comments: 0) [Open]
[13:47] <willcooke> confirmed rls list is empy
[13:47] <willcooke> thanks kenvandine
[13:47] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[13:47] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=laney
[13:47] <Laney> • looked into volume-key test failure, fixed one thing when run interactively but it still fails when run from the build
[13:47] <Laney> • cleaned out all old ~ubuntu-release bugs
[13:47] <Laney> • reviewed some freeze exception requests
[13:47] <Laney> • reviewed a ton of uploads in the queue
[13:47] <Laney> • rls bugs:
[13:47] <Laney> ∘ http://launchpad.net/bugs/1747717 doesn't happen any more, marked as Incomplete so hopefully will go away
[13:47] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1747717 in gnome-menus (Ubuntu Bionic) "package gnome-menus 3.13.3-11ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: triggers looping, abandoned - gnome-menus -> ufw" [High,Incomplete]
[13:47] <Laney> ∘ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1749546 - patched and uploaded
[13:47] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1749546 in Fontconfig "Booting a live session is slow - fontconfig regenerates its font cache" [Medium,Confirmed]
[13:47] <Laney> • fixed dh_translations to work with meson/ninja builds (only if there is one domain present for now)
[13:48] <Laney> • Merged poppler to fix build failure (http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/rebuilds/test-rebuild-20180408-bionic.html)
[13:48] <Laney> • Updated glib patch for GNetworkMonitor proxy test failure, is now committed
[13:48] <Laney> • Had a look at the ubuntu-welcome thing and reported some issues
[13:48] <Laney> ☔
[13:48] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[13:48] <willcooke> nothing else showing in the rls list
[13:48] <willcooke> nice one
[13:48] <willcooke> #topic oSoMoN
[13:48] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=oSoMoN
[13:48] <oSoMoN> hey
[13:48] <oSoMoN> • firefox: discussed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1449594#c9 with upstream and Jamie, suggested to continue the discussion on the existing forum thread (https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/xorg-abstract-socket-is-mandatory-for-running-snaps/4580)
[13:48] <ubot5-ng> bugzilla.mozilla.org bug 1449594 in Security: Process Sandboxing "[snap] Searching for any webpage immediately produces 'Gah. Your tab just crashed.'" [Blocker, Resolved: Fixed] - Assigned to jlorenzo
[13:48] <ubot5`> Mozilla bug 1449594 in Security: Process Sandboxing "[snap] Searching for any webpage immediately produces 'Gah. Your tab just crashed.'" [Blocker,Resolved: fixed]
[13:48] <ubot5`> bug 1449594 in messaging-app (Ubuntu Vivid) "messaging app missing some messages and showing duplicates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1449594
[13:48] <oSoMoN> • chromium
[13:48] <oSoMoN>   ∘ pushed new revision to candidate channel with ibus support, then promoted to stable channel
[13:48] <oSoMoN>   ∘ working in the background on updating beta and dev branches, but upstream's aggressive push for modern C++ features means it's getting increasingly difficult to get chromium to build on xenial, let alone trusty
[13:49] <oSoMoN> • libreoffice
[13:49] <oSoMoN>   ∘ added ibus support to the snap (and to all snaps using the desktop-gtk* launchers in general, this requires a rebuild to work)
[13:49] <oSoMoN>   ∘ pushed <IP_ADDRESS> snap to candidate channel and updated call for testing (https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-libreoffice-6-0-3/4604), then promoted to stable channel
[13:49] <oSoMoN>   ∘ successfully tested 5.4.6 SRU in artful-proposed (bug #1759404)
[13:49] <ubot5`> bug 1759404 in libreoffice-l10n (Ubuntu Artful) "[SRU] libreoffice 5.4.6 for artful" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759404
[13:49] <oSoMoN>   ∘ cleaned up bug #1034558 and bug #1034560 (obsolete MIRs for libreoffice-report-builder)
[13:49] <ubot5`> bug 1034558 in pentaho-reporting-flow-engine (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libbase-java, libsac-java, libxml-java, libflute-java, libpentaho-reporting-flow-engine-java" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1034558
[13:49] <ubot5`> bug 1034560 in libserializer (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libloader-java, libformula-java, librepository-java, libfonts-java, libserializer-java " [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1034560
[13:49] <oSoMoN>   ∘ reverted a change that removed the libreoffice-startcenter.desktop altogether after some users of the PPA complained
[13:49] <oSoMoN>   ∘ prepared and tested 6.0.3 upload for bionic, asked Ken/Séb to sponsor
[13:49] <oSoMoN> • snaps
[13:49] <oSoMoN>   ∘ filed bug #1761585, submitted a fix upstream (https://github.com/ibus/ibus/pull/1997) which was merged and then backported to the ubuntu package as a patch, and prepared a xenial SRU, currently in xenial-proposed
[13:49] <ubot5`> bug 1761585 in ibus (Ubuntu Xenial) "ibus_bus_init does an unconditional call to chmod on $HOME/.config/ibus/bus" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761585
[13:49] <ubot5-ng> ibus bug (Pull request) 1997 in ibus "Make the call to chmod in ibus_bus_init conditional (fixes #1996)." (comments: 0) [Closed]
[13:49] <oSoMoN>   ∘ tested and reviewed https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/103
[13:49] <oSoMoN>   ∘ started using communitheme snap, reported GTK2 apps not themed and https://github.com/ubuntu/gtk-communitheme/issues/324
[13:49] <ubot5-ng> ubuntu bug (Pull request) 103 in snapcraft-desktop-helpers "If the user-dirs.* exists in the $REALHOME, link them into the snap's XDG_CONFIG_HOME." (comments: 4) [Open]
[13:49] <ubot5-ng> ubuntu bug 324 in gtk-communitheme "Chromium tabs outline is almost black when window not focused, looks very strong" (comments: 0) [Open]
[13:49] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 324 in mailman (Ubuntu) "Upgrades fail with a message about "Old queue files present"" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324
[13:49] <oSoMoN> • rls-bb: looked into bug #1754671 to understand the upstream status - there's active development ongoing and it looks close to landing to master, after which it would need backporting to the 1.10 series
[13:49] <ubot5`> bug 1754671 in network-manager (Ubuntu Bionic) "Full-tunnel VPN DNS leakage regression" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754671
[13:49] <oSoMoN> 🐛
[13:49] <willcooke> nice work, thanks oSoMoN
[13:49] <willcooke> confirmed that's the only rls bug
[13:50] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[13:50] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=seb128
[13:50] <seb128> • sponsoring (software-properties/livepatch fixes from andyroc_k, udisks segfault fix from andyroc_k)
[13:50] <seb128> • restored the ctrl-shift-U ibus behaviour and talked with GNOME upstream about it - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1760308
[13:50] <seb128> • tested the gnome-initial-setup/ubuntu welcome work, did some packaging tweaks in the ppa
[13:50] <seb128> • some code reviews (software-properties changes from andyroc_k, ibus SRU from Olivier)
[13:50] <seb128> • updated gnome-disk-utility
[13:50] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1760308 in ibus (Ubuntu Bionic) "Unicode input not working on Bionic with CTRL-SHIFT-U" [High,Fix released]
[13:50] <seb128> • started fighting with ubiquity/casper-bottom to try to debug some of the installer issues
[13:50] <seb128> • incoming bugs triaging, IRC discussions (ibus, snaps/gtk translations, gnome-initial-setup)
[13:50] <seb128> • bionic milestoned bugs
[13:50] <seb128> ∘ bug #1726143, Tim uploaded the change to not try to install an inexistant package, I need to look what else we can do this cycle or if we should postpone the extra work to integrate smb users to system ones
[13:50] <ubot5`> bug 1726143 in nautilus-share (Ubuntu Bionic) "Automatic installation of samba fails with "could not find package libpam-smbpass"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1726143
[13:50] <seb128> ∘ bug #1735929, 1 fix uploaded to Ubuntu and 1 commit upstream waiting for GNOME 3.28.1 to be uploaded
[13:50] <ubot5`> bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[13:50] <ubot5`> bug 1735929 in gnome-session (Ubuntu Bionic) "security problems with incorrect permissions for ubuntu 17.10" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735929
[13:50] <seb128> ∘ bug #1758647, I confirmed it's an issue but didn't figure out the problem yet, also jibel said he could have a look some maybe it ends up being reassigned
[13:50] <ubot5`> bug 1758647 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Bionic) "ubiquity doesn't preselect the right default keyboard layout" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758647

[13:51] <Laney> what did gnome say about the ibus thing?
[13:51] <seb128> mclasen was annoyed
[13:51] <seb128> he said he would email the ibus guys
[13:51] <seb128> but he did by private so I can't follow the status :/
[13:52] <seb128> he also said that keeps happening and that the solution is for gnome-shell to provide those features/dialog directly
[13:52] <Laney> haha
[13:52] <seb128> and not rely on ibus behaviours
[13:52] <willcooke> confirmed no other rls bugs
[13:52] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[13:52] <seb128> thx :)
[13:52] <Laney> at least he agrees
[13:52] <Laney> thx!
[13:52] <seb128> yw!
[13:52] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[13:52] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=till-kamppeter
[13:53] <tkamppeter> - CUPS: Got crasher bug report, upstream fixed it within an hour, fix is uploade into Bionic now. Too quick for getting an rls bug.
[13:53] <tkamppeter> - cups-browsed: Uploaded some more bug fixes, especially for recognition of remote CUPS queues.
[13:53] <tkamppeter> - brlaser (printer driver for Brother): Posted FFe request for upstream version 4, got approved.
[13:53] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2018: Lined up all student project proposals (especially the non-OpenPrinting ones) for the Linux Foundation and requested the appropriate number of student slots from Google (8 OpenPrinting, 19 total).
[13:53] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[13:53] <willcooke> No rls bugs
[13:53] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[13:53] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[13:53] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=3v1n0
[13:54] <willcooke> Might be too early for Trevinho, seb128 do you have an update?
[13:54] <seb128> ah, I do
[13:54] <seb128> · Appindicator work, merged various fixes upstream:
[13:54] <seb128>   - https://is.gd/I8XaAa
[13:54] <seb128> · Mutter SSD theme and HiDPI fixes:
[13:54] <seb128>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/61
[13:54] <seb128>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/62
[13:54] <seb128>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/63
[13:54] <seb128>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/64
[13:54] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 61 in mutter "theme, frames: Use surface device scale instead of cairo_scale" (comments: 8) [1. Bug, Opened]
[13:54] <seb128>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/66
[13:54] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 62 in mutter "theme: Use gtk_render_icon_suface to paint button icons" (comments: 1) [Opened]
[13:54] <seb128>   Merged and cherry-picked:
[13:54] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 63 in mutter "theme: Allow to override the theme using GTK_THEME env variable" (comments: 9) [Opened]
[13:54] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 64 in mutter "theme, settings: Get global scaling from GDK_SCALE if set" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:54] <seb128>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/58
[13:54] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 66 in mutter "WIP: theme: Render elements in groups supporting opacity" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:54] <seb128>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/60
[13:55] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 58 in mutter "theme: Scale titlebar spacing when computing x" (comments: 2) [Merged]
[13:55] <seb128> · Random snap work:
[13:55] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 60 in mutter "theme: Add ".appmenu" class to the appmenu button" (comments: 3) [Merged]
[13:55] <seb128>   - https://github.com/diodon-dev/diodon/pull/8
[13:55] <ubot5-ng> diodon-dev bug (Pull request) 8 in diodon "WIP: snap: add basic snap build" (comments: 0) [Open]
[13:55] <seb128>   - Remmina fixes: https://is.gd/vWTLJR
[13:55] <seb128>   - Telegram fixes: https://is.gd/XULrm8
[13:55] <seb128>   - Continued review of
[13:55] <seb128>     https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/103
[13:55] <ubot5-ng> ubuntu bug (Pull request) 103 in snapcraft-desktop-helpers "If the user-dirs.* exists in the $REALHOME, link them into the snap's XDG_CONFIG_HOME." (comments: 4) [Open]
[13:55] <seb128> · Working on nautilus recent search provider review (g-s will follow):
[13:55] <seb128>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/merge_requests/98
[13:55] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 98 in nautilus "Recent Files search provider" (comments: 18) [1. Feature, 5. Search, Opened]
[13:55] <seb128> he didn't provide a status of his rls bugs though
[13:55] <willcooke> kk, lemme take a quick look
[13:55] <seb128> I need to remind him to do that next time
[13:55] <seb128> he mentioned that he was looking at the nautilus one this week
[13:55] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/nautilus/+bug/1756826
[13:55] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1756826 in nautilus (Ubuntu Bionic) "hangs when locate search provider matches a lot of files" [High,Triaged]
[13:56] <willcooke> sounds like he's on it
[13:56] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1758712
[13:56] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1758712 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu Bionic) "GNOME Builder Omnibar theming issue with Ambiance" [High,Triaged]
[13:56] <willcooke> says he's got a fix
[13:56] <Laney> probably commenting on the bug once a week would be an okay mechanism
[13:56] <seb128> he didn't seem to have made progress for the other ones yet
[13:56] <Laney> if any progress
[13:56] <seb128> right
[13:57] <willcooke> I expect he'll be on later, so we can ask about the others then
[13:57] <Laney> people are pinging on that #1747566 pull request
[13:57] <seb128> yeah
[13:57] <seb128> right, I told him a few times to address upstream review comments
[13:58] <seb128> he has a few changes that got a first review and where he's due to reply
[13:58] <Laney> ya
[13:58]  * seb128 notes on his list to tell him again
[13:58] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[13:58] <seb128> np
[13:58] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[13:58] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=robert-ancell
[13:58] <willcooke> - Landed gnome-initial-setup first iteration into bionic https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-initial-setup/3.28.0-2ubuntu1
[13:58] <willcooke> - Working on second iteration improvements to gnome-initial-setup
[13:58] <willcooke> - Worked on landing paid snap support
[13:58] <willcooke> - LightDM bug handling
[13:58] <willcooke> - simple-scan 3.28.1 release
[14:00] <willcooke> Looks like there are a few bugs which need looking at.  kenvandine - could you ask Robert about those if you see him later?
[14:00] <kenvandine> willcooke, will do
[14:00] <willcooke> #topic rls-bb-incoming
[14:00] <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:00] <seb128> kenvandine, also the snapd-glib bugfix
[14:00] <willcooke> seb128, spoke to him yesterday about that one
[14:00] <kenvandine> seb128, he said he'd do a release of that
[14:00] <willcooke> he's going to do a new release
[14:00] <kenvandine> for xenial as well
[14:00] <seb128> ah, good
[14:00] <seb128> thx
[14:00] <kenvandine> but he's not confident that fixes the leak
[14:01] <kenvandine> but he does agree it's an improvement
[14:01] <willcooke> First up:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1755064
[14:01] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1755064 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "gnome-software crashed with signal 5 in g_wakeup_new → g_main_context_new → pk_client_resolve → gs_plugin_packagekit_resolve_packages_with_filter → gs_plugin_packagekit_resolve_packages" [High,Confirmed]
[14:02] <willcooke> jibel,  you tagged that one, is it happening a lot?
[14:02] <seb128> willcooke, kenvandine, jibel, that's probably that snapd-glib issue...
[14:02] <willcooke> just thinking that
[14:02] <andyrock> indeed
[14:02] <willcooke> I'll assign to Robert then
[14:02] <jibel> willcooke, yes it is
[14:02] <seb128> same difference :p
[14:02] <willcooke> or should we mark as dupe?
[14:02] <seb128> he's going to ignore it!
[14:02] <jibel> willcooke, but it also shows the typical "Too mayn open files" signature
[14:03] <seb128> willcooke, assign, Robert can mark as dup if he thinks that's one
[14:03] <willcooke> doe
[14:03] <willcooke> done
[14:03] <seb128> thx
[14:04] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1756339
[14:04] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1756339 in snapd-glib (Ubuntu) "gnome-software crashed with signal 5 in g_main_context_new → start_sync → snapd_client_list_one_sync → gs_plugin_refine_app → gs_plugin_loader_call_vfunc" [High,Confirmed]
[14:04] <willcooke> same thing?
[14:04] <andyrock> yep
[14:04] <jibel> ys
[14:04] <jibel> +e
[14:04] <seb128> looks like it
[14:04] <andyrock> when g_main_context_new is involved in the stacktrace it's likely the same problem
[14:05] <jibel> and from errors.u.c
[14:05] <jibel>         msg = 0x7fc1502e3c10 "Creating pipes for GWakeup: Too many open files\n"
[14:05] <jibel>         msg_alloc = 0x7fc1502e3c10 "Creating pipes for GWakeup: Too many open files\n"
[14:05] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1748450
[14:05] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1748450 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGTRAP in _g_log_abort() from g_log_default_handler() from default_log_handler(message="Connection to xwayland lost") from g_logv() from g_log() from <bug 1505409>" [High,Triaged]
[14:06] <seb128> that one again?
[14:06] <jibel> it happens very frequently when I unlock the screen
[14:06] <willcooke> Looks like Daniel is looking at it?
[14:06] <jibel> UI is frozen until gnome-shell restarts
[14:07] <seb128> did you manage to get a backtrace from xwayland?
[14:07] <jibel> no
[14:07] <seb128> :(
[14:08] <seb128> that bug is basically useless without somebody who can reproduce and get one
[14:08] <jibel> each time it's gnome-shell crashing and I didn't find a way to reproduce it intentionally
[14:08] <seb128> let's talk getting one after the meeting
[14:08] <willcooke> kk
[14:08] <Laney> nominate or not?
[14:08] <willcooke> jibel, you want to take that one with a goal of getting a BT?
[14:08] <seb128> I don't have an opinion on this one at this point
[14:08] <willcooke> I think we should
[14:09] <jibel> we can nominate but without a reproducer there is very little chance to fix it
[14:09] <jibel> willcooke, yes
[14:09] <willcooke> done
[14:09] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1748450
[14:09] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1748450 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Bionic) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGTRAP in _g_log_abort() from g_log_default_handler() from default_log_handler(message="Connection to xwayland lost") from g_logv() from g_log() from <bug 1505409>" [High,Triaged]
[14:10] <seb128> that's the one we just discussed
[14:10] <willcooke> copy and paste
[14:10] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udisks2/+bug/1757321
[14:10] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1757321 in udisks2 (Ubuntu) "udisks2 must depend on libblockdev-crypto2 and libblockdev-mdraid2 instead of suggests [Can't mount encrypted USB drive after upgrade to bionic]" [High,Triaged]
[14:11] <seb128> that's still sort of MIR stucked
[14:11] <jbicha> jibel, if you need mdraid you need to get the MIRs filed for it
[14:11] <seb128> MIR team did bounced a bit back on the failing tests as I was expecting
[14:11] <seb128> and Laney is looking at those it seems
[14:11] <Laney> only for volume-key
[14:11] <Laney> That's one which is probably in our control
[14:11] <seb128> skip again and see where we stand next week?
[14:11] <Laney> for the others, not really
[14:11] <Laney> it's been skipped for weeks and weeks
[14:12] <Laney> either it's a release blocker and we should work on it, and liaise with other teams
[14:12] <seb128> what do you suggest doing with it?
[14:12] <Laney> or it's not
[14:12] <Laney> first step is on our team to file the MIRs
[14:12] <seb128> willcooke, jibel, how important are incrypted keys?
[14:12] <seb128> encrypted
[14:12] <willcooke> I think it should be worked on
[14:12] <jibel> the main problem is more crypto2 than mdraid for people upgrading to bionic
[14:12] <willcooke> like laney said, lets at least get MIRs done
[14:13] <seb128> well MIR is inprocess with Laney looking at the test
[14:13] <Laney> that's for one half of it
[14:13] <Laney> not the mdraid bit
[14:13] <Laney> that bug title specifies both
[14:13] <seb128> do we need mdraid?
[14:13] <seb128> I don't know enough about those techs to have an opinion on how required they are
[14:13] <jibel> I've seen only one report from someone with kubuntu who faced the mdraid issue.
[14:14] <seb128> well our bionic tester userbase is small
[14:14] <jibel> other than a this poor experience I don't have an opinion
[14:14] <jibel> yup
[14:14] <seb128> it's more a question of how used/useful is mdraid for mainstream Ubuntu
[14:14] <seb128> willcooke, ^ opinion ?
[14:14] <jbicha> personally, I'm ok with it being a suggests, main promotion can be easily backported to bionic once approved, right?
[14:15] <seb128> yes
[14:15] <seb128> so retitling/purposing that bug for -crypto?
[14:15] <Laney> we have the MIR for that
[14:15] <seb128> which is being handling through the volume-key/MIR
[14:16] <Laney> you can target that one if you like
[14:16] <seb128> so you would mark it dup of the MIR?
[14:16] <seb128> and target the MIR?
[14:16] <seb128> wfm
[14:16] <seb128> willcooke, ^
[14:16] <willcooke> can someone target the MIR then and I will untag that bug
[14:16] <willcooke> (is that right?)
[14:18] <willcooke> seb128, ? ^ Is that right?
[14:18] <Laney> if it's only libbytesize blocking that might be an easy MIR not requiring a security review btw
[14:18] <Laney> https://github.com/storaged-project/libbytesize/blob/master/src/bs_size.h
[14:19] <Laney> it could be notfixing
[14:19] <seb128> willcooke, I'm a bit lost at this point
[14:19] <seb128> seems more complicated that it should be :/
[14:19] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/volume-key/+bug/1754422 is targeted now
[14:19] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1754422 in volume-key (Ubuntu Bionic) "[MIR] volume-key" [Undecided,In progress]
[14:19] <seb128> we need the volume-key MIR approved, which needs tests fixed it seems
[14:19] <Laney> that should get the luks bit
[14:19] <seb128> then we can promote crypto
[14:20] <seb128> then we need to decide what we think about mdraid
[14:21] <seb128> willcooke, Laney suggested notfixing the other one, wfm
[14:21] <willcooke> other one = #1757321 ?
[14:21] <jbicha> in Debian, mdraid also wants thin-provisioning-tools (so a second MIR)
[14:21] <seb128> willcooke, yes
[14:22] <Nafallo> encrypted usb keys is definately something I'll use.
[14:22] <Nafallo> sorry, just read through the meeting logs :-)
[14:23] <Nafallo> 11:30 UTC every Tuesday? willcooke seb128
[14:23] <willcooke> I'll update that in a sec, I've got too many tabs open
[14:23] <willcooke> let's move on
[14:23] <willcooke> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1761739
[14:23] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1761739 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Submits a message to a remote server even when "No, don't send any info" is selected" [High,Triaged]
[14:24] <seb128> Nafallo, Nafallo add 2 hours
[14:24] <willcooke> That's the intended action and I've spoken to various people about it and that's the way its going to work.  So I need to untag it
[14:24] <jbicha> willcooke: just wontfix it then?
[14:24] <didrocks> willcooke: I guess Laney/Robert wanted to get a better design being more explicit
[14:24] <seb128> with a comment stating that
[14:24] <willcooke> will do that in a mo
[14:24] <Laney> I don't think "No, don't send any info" is acceptable in that case
[14:25] <Laney> but notfixing is the right tag I guess, and even close the bug if it's not going to get any fix at all
[14:25] <willcooke> Laney, ack we will improve the wording
[14:25] <willcooke> next: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/1682455
[14:25] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1682455 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) "thunderbird not available in GNOME Software" [Medium,Triaged]
[14:25] <willcooke> I tagged that one, seems important that people can find it
[14:25] <willcooke> but now I think about it, it's already installed, so probably not a rls bug
[14:25] <willcooke> anyone disagree?
[14:26] <Laney> no
[14:26] <jbicha> willcooke: who owns firefox and thunderbird?
[14:26] <jbicha> thunderbird isn't pre-installed for the minimal Ubuntu install
[14:26] <willcooke> Chris Coulson is the maintainer of ffox, and I /think/ thunderbird
[14:26] <seb128> he is
[14:27] <jbicha> then let's ask Chris to fix the bugs. I provided suggestions in the bug
[14:27] <willcooke> I'll do that
[14:27] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/1682455
[14:27] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1682455 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) "thunderbird not available in GNOME Software" [Medium,Triaged]
[14:27] <seb128> thx
[14:27] <willcooke> gah
[14:27] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1761554
[14:27] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1761554 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "[bionic] Extended characters in GNOME screen keyboard don't get entered" [Medium,Triaged]
[14:27] <jbicha> U Budgie notably installs Chromium instead of Firefox, but Firefox is so popular I'd like to see that issue fixed for them
[14:28] <seb128> the snap is listed right? ;)
[14:28] <Laney> jbicha: it's notfixing for the desktop team as a release tracking bug IMHO
[14:28] <jbicha> I nominated this extended characters bug after getting no attention upstream.
[14:28] <Laney> you can still fix it
[14:28] <jbicha> Laney: ok
[14:28] <seb128> +1
[14:28] <seb128> did you try to nag them on #gnome-shell?
[14:29] <jbicha> I guess I'm hesitant to do Mozilla releases since that's a good way to get stuck being the new maintainer!
[14:29] <Laney> the mozilla one, not this current one (although that might be too)
[14:29] <seb128> ask carlosg if he needs more info
[14:29] <jbicha> seb128: yes, but it's been a few weeks so I can try pinging again
[14:29] <seb128> thx
[14:29] <willcooke> next: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1762152
[14:29] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1762152 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Network Manager is unable to connect to Wifi. Ask password and then loop forever" [Undecided,New]
[14:29] <jbicha> it feels odd that no one else has mentioned the issue yet, maybe not a very popular function yet
[14:30] <willcooke> I'll raise the n-m one on Thursday and see if I can get someone to help
[14:30] <willcooke> ditto the next NM one
[14:30] <jbicha> I don't think I can fix the osk bug, but if you just want someone to talk to GNOME about it, I guess you can assign me
[14:31] <willcooke> and we're out of time, but I think that's the end of the list
[14:31] <willcooke> anyone got anything they want to talk about before EOM
[14:31] <willcooke> jbicha, thx
[14:31] <didrocks> (nothing from me)
[14:32] <willcooke> ok, then lets end
[14:32] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[14:32] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr 10 14:32:15 2018 UTC.
[14:32] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-04-10-13.30.moin.txt
[14:32] <willcooke> Thanks all
[14:32] <oSoMoN> thanks
[14:32] <seb128> thx
[14:32] <didrocks> thx
[14:32] <willcooke> Better, but still not perfect on the rls-bb-incoming
[14:33] <jbicha> seb, I uploaded gnome-session 3.28.1 to bionic queue during the meeting :)
[14:33] <seb128> ah, nice, thx
[14:34] <seb128> bah, we need to restore xterm on the iso :p
[14:34] <willcooke> :)
[14:34] <seb128> g-t refuses to start in ubiquity-dm mode for some reason
[14:35] <seb128> GNOME p**o*c***
[14:36] <jbicha> I hope you're joking about xterm 😟
[14:36] <Nafallo> just installed the two packages for encrypted keys fwiw. seems they're not enough for my LUKS encrypted USB key.
[14:37] <seb128> jbicha, I'm joking about adding it back, but not about missing it atm, I can't find a way to start the GNOME one
[14:37] <Nafallo> Error unlocking /dev/sda1: The function 'bd_crypto_luks_open_blob' called, but not implemented!
[14:37] <seb128> Nafallo, did you restart udisks?
[14:37] <mgedmin> g-t really wants to talk to a gnome-terminal-server over dbus and have it open any new windows
[14:37] <seb128> right
[14:37] <Nafallo> seb128: no :-)
[14:37] <seb128> mgedmin, which doesn't seem to work in that env
[14:38] <seb128> overengineered and not reliable at the end :/
[14:38] <Nafallo> seb128: thanks.
[14:38] <jbicha> seb128: I mean I guess you could have a casper hack so that xterm is installed in the live environment but with .desktop's set to NoDisplay
[14:38] <Nafallo> confirmed working
[14:38] <seb128> Nafallo, great!
[14:39] <jbicha> xterm was also a pain to get off our iso because of virtual dependency issues with germinate
[14:39] <jibel> cyphermox, hey, could you do a release of Ubiquity? it adds ttys back in only-ubiquity and maybe-ubiquity modes and helps with debugging.
[14:42] <seb128> yeah! found my way out
[14:43] <seb128> click on release-note in ubiquity
[14:43] <seb128> get a browser
[14:43] <seb128> got download the xterm deb
[14:43] <seb128> open in gnome-software
[14:43] <seb128> install
[14:43] <jibel> lol
[14:43] <seb128> I've my comment line
[14:43] <seb128> screw you GNOME and your dbus activation :p
[14:43] <jbicha> 😸
[14:45]  * mgedmin used to like the features enabled by a single gnome-terminal-server process, namely the ability to drag and drop tabs between arbitrary terminal windows
[14:46]  * mgedmin was sad when that feature started segfaulting and eventually got disabled
[14:52] <cyphermox> jibel: sure
[15:03] <jibel> cyphermox, thanks
[15:05] <doko>  oSoMoN, seb128: I assume there is a FFe for LO?
[15:14] <jbicha> doko: why? it's just LO 6.0.2 →  6.0.3
[15:19] <jbicha> seb128: I'm curious, were you still thinking about cherry-picking the Settings > Thunderbolt panel to bionic? (not been merged into GNOME yet)
[15:19] <jbicha> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/merge_requests/22
[15:19] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 22 in gnome-control-center "WIP: thunderbolt: new panel for device management" (comments: 11) [Opened]
[15:29] <Laney> jbicha: I don't see thin-provisioning-tools on mdadm in Debian https://salsa.debian.org/utopia-team/libblockdev/blob/debian/sid/debian/control btw
[15:29] <Laney> or what were you referring to?
[15:35] <jbicha> Laney: you're right, it's libblockdev-lvm2 that wants thin-provisioning-tools but we still might want that since we use lvm for full-disk encryption
[15:36] <Laney> it's all separate issues though
[15:39] <jbicha> yes, I guess the main driver for -crypto (volume-key) is USB sticks. I guess we need both -crypto and -lvm2 to manage our full-disk-encryption partitions
[15:39] <jbicha> I'm not really working on these other MIRs
[15:41] <Laney> I'm just going to add a trello card, it can be backlogged if appropriate
[15:41] <Trevinho> hello
[15:42] <jbicha> thanks
[15:42] <jbicha> good morning
[15:45] <Laney> hey Trevinho!!!!!
[15:48] <Trevinho> seb128, willcooke: sorry for forgetting again a proper status update on rls bugs (I also forgot to mention themes reviews and few other things), but as said I'm reworking the nautilus patch as that is also needed before release (as per upstream request). Others are due these week too.
[15:48] <Trevinho> hey Laney !!!!
[15:54] <Laney> Trevinho: you good?
[16:00] <tintou> I don't know where to put this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1762435
[16:00] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1762435 in langpack-o-matic "evolution translations are missing in Bionic" [Undecided,New]
[16:17] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, no worry, you do better with the status update next week then right? ;)
[16:20] <seb128> doko, bug fix updates don't need a ffe, that's for feature updates by definition
[16:22] <seb128> jbicha, I'm talking to gicmo regularly, we agreed that it was late to have that in bionic, I would rather target .1
[16:23] <jbicha> ok
[16:24] <seb128> tintou, hey, seems like that got reassigned on the right project, it might have been one of those component which was disabled by error (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2018-April/007473.html) and fixed in the next langpack export
[16:24] <seb128> tintou, I'm going to keep an eye on it, thanks for reporting
[16:24] <tintou> thank you :)
[16:24] <seb128> np!
[16:27] <Laney> tkamppeter: hi, would you be able to take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pstotext/+bug/1762778 please? It's a regression after your ghostscript update that is breaking some tests, not to mention pstotext.
[16:27] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1762778 in pstotext (Ubuntu) "ghostscript 9.22 breaks pstotext: Unrecoverable error: undefined in DELAYBIND" [Undecided,New]
[16:29] <Laney> looking at postscript is reminding me of an undergraduate module that I did where we had to write it by hand
[16:30] <doko> heh, once I wrote postscript by hand as well
[16:30] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, sure, I was supposed to do it last time, but well... :-D
[16:33] <Laney> https://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/rawspiral.ps
[16:33] <Laney> doko: ^-
[16:33] <Laney> Mon 30 Oct 2006 10∶38∶05 GMT
[16:34] <Laney> dup 1 ne { 1 sub fibb dup 3 -1 roll add } { 0 1 } ifelse
[16:34] <Laney> remember being proud of that line
[16:36] <doko> Laney: https://github.com/18xx/ps18xx/tree/master/ps18xx
[16:37] <Laney> oh gosh, this is something else
[16:42] <doko> https://www.google.de/search?q=ps18xx&client=ubuntu&hs=c1y&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=wIRPhF2ekqRBOM%253A%252Cb2A2ku4vZqfQeM%252C_&usg=__Wkj4bapgMM9xLplRXesqKxiAQpo%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwix09DGkbDaAhUFb1AKHRoHCIgQ9QEIaDAI#imgrc=wIRPhF2ekqRBOM:
[16:43] <doko> ok, I'll stop
[16:44] <Laney> board game generator?
[16:44] <Laney> looks fun
[16:47] <doko> yes, play board games by pbm. apparently people are still using it.  I can bring the board game for the next sprint, but playing takes some hours ...
[16:49] <Laney> :D
[16:49]  * Laney is up for hours long board games
[16:49] <Laney> we have a couple but it's rare that people want to play them with us :P
[19:01] <jbicha> ximion: I want to add a compulsory_for_desktop tag for both GNOME and MATE, but I don't see any examples of that being done in the archive
[19:01] <jbicha> it's interesting that https://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/docs/chap-CollectionData.html suggests using the tag multiple times
[19:02] <jbicha> but https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/blob/master/plugins/core/gs-appstream.c#L724 suggests using one tag with something like GNOME:MATE
[19:03] <jbicha> if you wanted context, the specific use case is software-properties-gtk in Ubuntu which is a depends of both the Ubuntu and Ubuntu MATE metapackages
[19:04] <ximion> jbicha: I am not 100% sure if I understand the question right...
[19:04] <jbicha> so we don't want someone unknowingly removing that critical metapackage in GNOME Software
[19:04] <ximion> that comment in GNOME Software's source code is pretty explicit on what needs to be done and how
[19:04] <ximion> jup, add one or multiple compulsory_for_desktop tags to the metainfo files of the respective apps
[19:05] <jbicha> ok, I'll try with multiple tags since that looks a bit nicer to me :)
[19:06] <ximion> yes, you have to add multiple tags, anything else is not valid by the spec
[19:07] <jbicha> ok, I see, the comment wording was confusing to me
[19:08] <ximion> the colon notation is only to be used for the special case where one desktop environment has multiple shells, like "GNOME-Classic:GNOME" and you explicitly only want to make the app compulsory when the particular shell is running, and not in any flavor of the GNOME desktop
[19:08] <jbicha> yes, that makes sense. I just wasn't reading very well
[19:08] <ximion> the usual case that you want is just to add two compulsory_for_desktop tags, one with GNOME and one with MATE as value
[19:09] <ximion> I guessed something like that - it is really hard for me to read texts about something I know stuff about the same way as someone who is reading it for the first time
[19:10] <ximion> if you have some spare time, please improve the spec or comment texts to something that you feel makes more sense
[19:11] <jbicha> I think it was my fault for reading the comment (and I found the comment with codesearch.debian.net). If I had just read the spec, I would have been fine
[19:30] <Trevinho> jbicha: as for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-builder/+bug/1758712 feel free to submit patch upstream, not an ubuntu theme bug.
[19:30] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1758712 in gnome-builder (Ubuntu) "GNOME Builder Omnibar theming issue with Ambiance" [Medium,Triaged]


[14:35]  * acheronuk runs upgrade tests
[15:29] <tsimonq2> Qt 5.9.5 landed. \o/
[19:10] <tsimonq2> Ooh, Debian 12 will be "bookworm"
[20:14] <acheronuk> wow. xenial and artful upgrades worked ok
[20:14] <acheronuk> had to fix some niggles, but not bad
[20:50] <valorie> oh, you tested that already?
[20:51] <valorie> good
[20:51] <valorie> thought of doing it, forgot
[20:54] <acheronuk> installed just about every kde thing in the repo ins some VMs, then did do-release-upgrade -d on them
[20:54] <acheronuk> found a few file conflicts, but otherwise smooth!
[20:55] <acheronuk> people repeating that will still help though. may have missed some stuff
 @acheronuk 16.04 to 18.04?
 yep
 Awesome!


[06:15] <vibhav> good morning
[06:15] <vibhav> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/22/china_makes_linux_os_with_canonical_help/
[06:16] <vibhav> ^nice work people :)
[08:15] <dholbach> good morning
[08:24] <nigelb> Good Morning dholbach, ara
[08:24] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[08:25] <nigelb> It's a Friday! \m/
[08:35] <popey> morning
[08:35] <nigelb> Hey popey
[08:40] <elfy> morning popey nigelb
[08:40] <nigelb> Hey elfy!
[08:40] <nigelb> Do you guys still have snow?
[08:40] <elfy> well some do - but they're hundreds of miles away - we have rain here ;)
[08:41] <elfy> which is normal
[08:56] <czajkowski> poxy rain
[08:56] <elfy> indeed
[08:56] <popey> we don't have snow in the tropical south
[08:57] <popey> http://popey.com/webcam/
[08:57] <popey> observe off-green grass
[08:57] <popey> (camera problem, my grass is lush green here in the tropical south)
[08:57] <czajkowski> we have drizzle
[08:58] <elfy> drizzle is horrible - I'd much rather it rained properly for less time
[08:58] <bkerensa> ;D
[08:59] <czajkowski> elfy: aye
[08:59] <bkerensa> Snow coming soon :d
[08:59] <elfy> not to me bkerensa :)
[08:59] <czajkowski> though  we had a massive down pour last night, although not as bad as Cork is geting
[08:59] <czajkowski> it's pretty bad over in ireland
[08:59] <czajkowski> more flodding and busines places ruined
[08:59] <elfy> :(
[08:59] <bkerensa> elfy: its a shame too since its technically spring now... global warming ftw
[09:00] <dholbach> ftw...
[09:00] <czajkowski> I swear gremlins attack my inbox over night
[09:00] <czajkowski> it was nice and clean last night
[09:00] <dholbach> czajkowski, mine too
[09:00] <popey> \o/ The weather!
[09:00] <popey> Famed #1 topic of conversation in the UK
[09:00] <elfy> lol
[09:00] <elfy> popey: nigelb started it - blame him :)
[09:00] <popey> he's an honorary brit then
[09:01] <elfy> I was just about to start talking about food :p
[09:01] <popey> oh goody
[09:01] <dholbach> people in other parts of the world are just as crazy about talking about the weather
[09:01] <dholbach> don't worry :)
[09:01] <bkerensa> popey: huh I thought he was a honorary Portlander since he idles in Portland channels ;p
[09:01] <nigelb> popey: haha, I thought I get honorary brit status with my name alone :P
[09:02] <popey> exactly
[09:02] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXNhL4J_S00
[09:02] <popey> great song
[09:02] <nigelb> is that making plans for nigel?
[09:02] <popey> yes :D
[09:02] <nigelb> Yup :D
[09:02] <nigelb> I love that song :D
[09:02] <elfy> oh my
[09:03] <popey> that's got my friday morning started
[09:04] <elfy> it would
[09:18] <nigelb> popey: where in the UK do you live?
[09:20] <popey> Farnborough
[09:21]  * czajkowski lives |-->| from Farnborough
[09:22]  * czajkowski lives |<--| from Farnham aka AlanBell land
[09:23] <AlanBell> one stop on the train
[09:24] <czajkowski> daker: well done :)
[09:24] <czajkowski> I approved :)
[10:51] <daker> czajkowski: i believe you were talking to dholbach
[10:51] <dholbach> hum
[12:33] <czajkowski> popey: where is it not working as I just checked with the devs before replying
[12:33] <popey> I just checked by trying it before replying :þ
[12:34] <popey> try and create a project with unicode in the name
[12:43] <czajkowski> hmm
[12:43]  * czajkowski goes off to staging
[12:48] <czajkowski> hmm so it's possible everywhere except in creating it
[12:48]  * czajkowski files a bug
[12:48] <czajkowski> off t poke william
[13:06] <czajkowski> popey: 13:04 <wgrant> We restrict names used in URLs, but that's it
[13:06] <czajkowski> 13:05 <wgrant> names used in URLs are lowercase alphanumeric plus a couple of  other characters like . and -
[13:22] <popey> czajkowski: nope.. I'm finding other places
[13:22] <czajkowski> if you do can you let me know and I'll update willia
[13:22] <czajkowski> m
[13:22] <popey> in fact I just triggered a "Server error, please contact an administrator" with one
[13:22] <czajkowski> 13:06 <wgrant> The Fedora bug is the equivalent of our display name field
[13:22] <czajkowski> 13:06 <wgrant> Not our name field
[13:22] <czajkowski> If you break LP you fix it :)
[13:23] <popey> I'm breaking staging
[13:23] <czajkowski> did you get an oops ID
[13:23] <popey> no
[13:24] <czajkowski> popey: can you pm me the link please.
[13:25] <popey> czajkowski: http://ubuntuone.com/7KT3OR55GMr1lPG09aOFrt
[13:25] <popey> czajkowski: http://ubuntuone.com/0OwCkcm7tsJhrFbTFlpiC8
[13:27] <popey> I have no problem with there being broken bits. I just don't think we should be publicly asserting it's all fine without testing it, as Fedora have found, this bites you ☺
[13:27] <popey> and with our new found friends over in China, it's very possible we may have more of these kinds of issues
[13:27] <czajkowski> nods
[13:28] <czajkowski> hmm
[13:28] <czajkowski> you found an odd one
[13:28] <czajkowski> popey: can you join -ops for a tick please
[14:37] <czajkowski> When I say it rains in Ireland I do mean it RAINS! - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BF9x81TCEAIbW5K.jpg:large
[14:38] <popey> that looks like the road near me
[14:38] <popey> which is constructed under the water table
[14:42] <daker> mhall119: cjohnston https://www.djangoproject.com/weblog/2013/mar/22/kickstarting-schema-migrations-django/
[14:44] <mhall119> daker: hmmm, they already have South, I'm not sure what the kickstarter is going to fund
[14:44] <daker> integrate South in django core
[14:44] <cjohnston> what daker said
[14:44] <Pici> iinteresting
[14:44] <daker> mhall119: A database-independent API for altering database schemas on a per-field or per-model basis
[14:44] <daker> An all-new migrations framework, generator and runner
[14:45] <mhall119> ah, so maybe it'll be more like Rails
[14:47] <daker> mhall119: FYI this work is being made by South author
[14:49] <mhall119> yeah, I read that
[14:49] <mhall119> should be interesting
[14:49] <mhall119> I hope they have a good plan for projects to switch from South to the new thing
[14:50] <daker> "There's no intention to release this as a standalone app, nor will it work with Django 1.5 or below (as it will be part of core). "
[15:58] <daker> mhall119: cjohnston goal #2 achieved £4,943 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/andrewgodwin/schema-migrations-for-django
[16:15] <jcastro> mhall119: actually, mind if we break for lunch?
[16:15] <mhall119> jcastro: sure, I have a TV team meeting at 1pm my time, but it's IRC
[16:16] <jcastro> no worries
[16:16] <jcastro> we can go right after perhaps?
[16:19] <mhall119> that would be fine
[16:19] <mhall119> gives me time to write your review :)
[16:21] <jcastro> you mean generate my review?
[18:40] <dholbach> have a great weekend everyone!
[18:40] <dholbach> see you!