[12:21] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[12:21] <LaserJock> hi TheMuso
[12:22] <ajmitch> morning
[12:23] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch ;-)
[12:23] <LaserJock> authtool done?
[12:23] <ajmitch> hah
[12:23] <ajmitch> I was hacking on it last night :)
[12:23] <danohuiginn> if I've subscribed the wrong team to a bug, can I unsubscribe them?
[12:23] <ajmitch> there's a *long* way before it'll be 'done'
[12:24] <LaserJock> danohuiginn: I know you can at least if you belong to the team
[12:24] <danohuiginn> LaserJock: no, I don't. Subscribed archive admins to a bug, rather than sending it through universe sponsors
[12:25] <ajmitch> I wonder what sort of things people asked
[12:25] <LaserJock> danohuiginn: and if you go to the subscribe page it doesn't have an option?
[12:26] <danohuiginn> LaserJock: no, only to subscribe someone else as well
[12:32] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Hey I like your blog post.
[12:32] <ajmitch> TheMuso: the bddebian interview?
[12:32] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Yep.
[12:32] <ajmitch> yeah that was great
[12:33] <LaserJock> well, I need to do it better
[12:33] <ajmitch> LaserJock: interview crimsun!
[12:33] <LaserJock> I will
[12:33] <LaserJock> and you too
[12:33] <ajmitch> nah I'm not important
[12:33] <LaserJock> if I do 1 a week I can get 53 MOTU people interviewed in a year
[12:33] <LaserJock> 52 rather
[12:34] <ajmitch> then we'll have to keep adding more so that you have no need to interview me :)
[12:35] <LaserJock> all of the MOTU Council will have to be interviewed
[12:35] <LaserJock> ;-)
[12:36] <LaserJock> lol
[12:37] <Seveas> LaserJock, "A MOTU a day, keeps the ajmitch away :p"
[12:37] <ajmitch> exactly!
[12:38] <LaserJock> lol
[12:40] <ajmitch> reminds me, where's sistpoty?
[12:41] <LaserJock> Seveas: ubotu back up and running now?
[12:41] <ajmitch> sure, check -bugs
[12:42] <ajmitch> hm
[12:42] <ajmitch> bug 96002
[12:42] <ubotu> Malone bug 96002 in gnome-volume-manager "Gnome Volume Manager don't work and the sound is very loud" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96002
[12:42] <ajmitch> volume is a nicely overused word
[12:47] <bddebian> heh
[12:48] <bddebian> LaserJock: ajmitch should have been your first man!
[12:48] <ajmitch> nah I would have taken 6 months to reply :)
[12:59] <LaserJock> bddebian: well, he's on my list too
[01:03] <LaserJock> lol
[01:03] <LaserJock> shesh
[01:03] <bddebian> I look like the freakin' idiot that I am :'-(
[01:03] <LaserJock> I went to all that work and you guys are so negative ;-)
[01:03] <TheMuso> bddebian: Don't be so damn hard on yourself.
[01:03] <TheMuso> LaserJock: They have no reason to be./
[01:03] <LaserJock> last time I do anything nice for you guys
[01:04] <ajmitch> aw
[01:04] <ajmitch> LaserJock: the bddebian interview was great!
[01:05] <ajmitch> I'm not negative about the work you've done
[01:05] <LaserJock> I think he did great
[01:05] <ajmitch> just about interviewing me :)
[01:05] <bddebian> LaserJock: I very much appreciate the sentiment, I'm just not exactly a great example :-)
[01:05] <LaserJock> his stuff on the community and his advice was perfect
[01:05] <LaserJock> you are a perfect example Barry
[01:05] <LaserJock> you've been here through everything
[01:05] <LaserJock> you've had to step out for a while
[01:05] <LaserJock> you've come back
[01:06] <LaserJock> you've been yelled at by core-devs and still stuck through it :-)
[01:06] <geser> bddebian: if you can be a MOTU than everyone can
[01:07] <ajmitch> bddebian: you're a better example than I am
[01:08] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:08] <bddebian> geser: Hrm, I'm not quite sure how I should take that? :-)
[01:08] <Nafallo> I think I might have uploaded gajim a while ago :-P
[01:08] <LaserJock> the point is
[01:08] <LaserJock> Behind Ubuntu isn't about showing off the superstars so much
[01:09] <LaserJock> it's about giving people a view of the real MOTU
[01:09] <LaserJock> that we're just real people like everybody else
[01:09] <Nafallo> should have been Behind He-Man then ;-)
[01:09] <LaserJock> heh
[01:10] <LaserJock> so I'm going to interview new MOTUs
[01:10] <LaserJock> probably even Hopefuls
[01:10] <geser> ajmitch: there is your solution: become a MOTU superstar to avoid an interview :)
[01:10] <ajmitch> geser: darn, that means having to do work
[01:10] <LaserJock> well, you know the real way to get out of it
[01:10] <Nafallo> LaserJock: sounds good. then you won't interview me or ajmitch :-)
[01:10] <LaserJock> if *you* had come up with it
[01:11] <LaserJock> I don't have to get interviewed because I'm running it ;-)
[01:11] <Nafallo> haha
[01:11] <TheMuso> LaserJock: I think we can solve that one easily enough.
[01:11] <LaserJock> no way
[01:11] <TheMuso> You're not getting out of it that easily. Right guys?
[01:12] <LaserJock> ummm
[01:12] <Nafallo> ofcourse not :-)
[01:13] <ajmitch> TheMuso: I agree!
[01:14] <LaserJock> wow, we're up to 136 apps for SoC
[01:14] <bddebian> LaserJock: Actually now that you mention it, you should have started with yourself :-)
[01:14] <LaserJock> bddebian: that's silly :-)
[01:51] <Paddy_EIRE> could anyone help compiling an app called QFlash for ubuntu?
[01:52] <reitblatt> I can give it a try
[01:52] <Paddy_EIRE> well I extracted the file and did ./configure only for nothing to happen
[01:53] <reitblatt> Paddy_EIRE: let's move this to #ubuntu
[01:53] <Paddy_EIRE> ok
[02:01] <ajmitch> tsmithe: you should try & make it clear that you're trying to raise funds for something :)
[02:06] <reitblatt> can someone upload my patch for bug #84874 ?
[02:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 84874 in libopensync-plugin-google-calendar "missing helper" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84874
[02:11] <LaserJock> oh my, what a confusing blog post
[02:12] <ajmitch> which post?
[02:12] <ajmitch> reitblatt: I'd like to find out why it's mistakenly in main before touching it
[02:12] <LaserJock> ajmitch: tsmithe's
[02:13] <ajmitch> heh right
[02:13] <reitblatt> ajmitch: gotcha
[02:13] <LaserJock> I don't really get what he's saying
[02:15] <ajmitch> that there are 'mirrors' of the planet ubuntu content
[02:15] <ajmitch> and he doesn't like that
[02:16] <LaserJock> it does kinda stink that they just redo planet to get ad space
[02:16] <LaserJock> but it's kinda cool that they think it's worth it
[02:16] <ajmitch> there's more than one of them ripping off planet
[02:19] <welshbyte> i don't really mind my blog feed being used wherever... it's the chance you take by being open source ;)
[02:20] <welshbyte> as long as no one changes what i say to make it look like i said something different, that is
[02:23] <_MMA_> sigh
[02:23] <ajmitch> I agree
[02:31] <joejaxx> grrr
[02:31] <joejaxx> diff -Nurp is not working
[02:31] <ajmitch> fix it!
[02:32] <joejaxx> ajmitch: i just tried creating a patch
[02:32] <joejaxx> but the -u application flag for diff is not working
[02:32] <ajmitch> lies
[02:32] <ajmitch> all lies
[02:33] <joejaxx> lol
[02:38] <joejaxx> ajmitch: how does this look for bug 53001
[02:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 53001 in wordpress "examples-mysql not adapted to ubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53001
[02:38] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org/bug53001.patch
[02:38] <ajmitch> ugh
[02:39] <ajmitch> don't drop virtual hosts into apache.conf :)
[02:39] <joejaxx> ajmitch: that was already there
[02:39] <ajmitch> use stuff like /etc/apache2/sites-available
[02:39] <ajmitch> well your patch has a lot of unnecessary changes then
[02:39] <ajmitch> including the whole debian changelog, etc
[02:39] <ajmitch> makes it hard ot see what you've changed
[02:40] <joejaxx> ajmitch: how do i make diff only look at changed files?
[02:40] <joejaxx> i thought it was diff -Nurp dir dir
[02:40] <ajmitch> aren't you using debdiff?
[02:40] <ajmitch> it's much easier
[02:40] <joejaxx> ok
[02:41] <ajmitch> debdiff oldversion.dsc newversion.dsc
[04:31] <joejaxx> ajmitch: http://fluxbuntu.org/bug53001.patch
[04:31] <joejaxx> used debdiff this time :)
[04:32] <joejaxx> debdiff makes it much cleaner
[04:38] <joejaxx> or anyone else?
[04:38] <joejaxx> i wanted to know if i did that correctly or not
[04:39] <joejaxx> :)
[04:39] <ajmitch> probably
[04:39] <Fujitsu> Apart from breaking the FHS, looks OK.
[04:39] <ajmitch> now that there's not so much cruft I can see that it's not as crazy as I thought
[04:39] <joejaxx> :)
[04:39] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: debian has a long history of that
[04:40] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: yeah i added a little summary to README.debian about that :P
[04:40] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Noted, but I still don't like it.
[04:40] <ajmitch> you don't need to like it
[04:40] <Fujitsu> Obviously.
[04:40] <joejaxx> so what happens next, upload it to the launchpad bug page?
[04:42] <joejaxx> as an attachment?
[04:55] <tritium> LaserJock: did you find out what's delaying the upload of l-r-m?
[04:59] <ajmitch> hey tritium
[04:59] <tritium> hey there ajmitch
[04:59] <ajmitch> probably that it's the weekend :)
[04:59] <tritium> yeah, could be :)
[05:01] <ajmitch> afaict it's just held up in binary NEW
[05:01] <ajmitch> one moment..
[05:01] <tritium> k, thx
[05:02] <ajmitch> i386?
[05:02] <tritium> yep
[05:02] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/313591
[05:02] <ajmitch> resulting binaries on that page
[05:03] <tritium> gracias :)
[05:04] <LaserJock> ajmitch: oh, that's smart. I should have thought of that
[05:06] <tritium> Thanks, ajmitch.  That's a big help
[05:06] <ajmitch> np
[06:22] <Fujitsu> Thanks Amaranth.
[06:22] <Amaranth> little late :)
[06:23] <Amaranth> was busy in -effects
[06:54] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[06:54] <Fujitsu> Afternoon, Hobbsee.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock, Fujitsu
[06:56] <RAOF> Hm.  Bug #95814 seems to have had apport-retrace run over it (the need-amd64-retrace tag has been removed), but the stacktrace is still all "?? in ()"
[06:56] <ubotu> Malone bug 95814 in banshee "[apport]  banshee.exe crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 67344)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95814
[06:56] <ubotu> Malone bug 67344 in banshee "Crash while importing / trying to play at the same time" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67344
[06:57] <Fujitsu> RAOF: Probably means that the debug symbols aren't around at the moment, or have been removed from the archive, or similar.
[06:57] <RAOF> Right, so it's not a misunderstanding on my part of how apport-retrace works?
[06:58] <Fujitsu> I don't believe so.
[06:58] <RAOF> Right.
[06:59] <RAOF> That's annoying :(
[07:00] <Fujitsu> The crashes need to be retraced before the symbols are removed from the repos, unfortunately.
[07:01] <RAOF> When are the symbols removed?
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Probably when the next version is uploaded.
[07:01] <RAOF> My crash logs are from the most recent banshee.
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[07:02] <RAOF> My laptop's apt-cache seems to think there's the appropriate banshee-dbgsym package available, too.
[07:09] <RAOF> Where would be the right place to file a bug about that?  /apport?  /malone?  Is it bugworthy?
[07:11] <superm1_> RAOF, u mean what i just menionted at :02, or something that was mentioned in between my disconnect?
[07:13] <RAOF> superm1_: I don't see anything you mentioned at :02.  I was refering to apport-retrace failing to create a useful stacktrace for banshee
[07:13] <superm1_> RAOF, oh then it looks like my message was lost before i got disconnected then
[07:13] <superm1_> i was asking racarr:, in the beryl packages that got into feisty, it appears that beryl-xgl is gone now (and hence beryl-manager is broke for xgl).  was this intentional?
[07:13] <RAOF> You are, however, welcome to comment on my question :)
[07:15] <superm1_> RAOF, are you meaning to point out a bug in apport-retrace then i take it?
[07:15] <RAOF> Yes.
[07:15] <RAOF> Well, somewhere in the Malone/need-amd64-retrace tag/apport-retrace nexus.
[07:15] <Amaranth> arg!
[07:15] <superm1_> i'd guess: https://launchpad.net/apport
[07:15] <Amaranth> some common package/app is doing evil things to users' home dir
[07:15] <superm1_> with the bugs under that
[07:16] <Fujitsu> Um, RAOF, now I look at that bug...
[07:16] <Fujitsu> Don't file a bug.
[07:16] <Amaranth> i've gotten like 10 bugs in last 3 days from people saying alacarte is broken because ~/.local is owned by root
[07:16] <Fujitsu> RAOF: The retrace isn't finished yet. You'll see two extra comments added when it's done
[07:16] <RAOF> That's... awkward.
[07:16] <Fujitsu> How?
[07:17] <Amaranth> RAOF: also, older coredumps won't give good retraces
[07:17] <RAOF> That was in reference to Amaranth's problem of something chowning .local
[07:17] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[07:17] <Amaranth> it's freaking annoying
[07:17] <RAOF> Amaranth: Yeah, but my coredump is nice and fresh.
[07:17] <RAOF> As of yesterday :)
[07:18] <Amaranth> iirc pitti said the retrace service had enough work to do to churn for the whole weekend
[07:18] <Fujitsu> It's taken the bug for processing, shouldn't be more than another few minutes.
[07:19] <Fujitsu> Actually.
[07:19] <Fujitsu> That's not the bug I thought it was...
[07:19] <Fujitsu> If it doesn't appear in a few minutes, it has probably choked on that retrace, and you should poke pitti about it.
[07:20] <Fujitsu> I see that the addition of the tag was 20 /hours/ ago, whereas I originally read minutes :-/
[07:21] <RAOF> :)
[07:21] <RAOF> Compiz bug for you Amaranth!  Someone else has found that the nvidia drivers suck :)
[07:22] <Amaranth> haha
[07:23] <RAOF> I'll reject it on the basis of evil nVidia, then :)
[07:24] <RAOF> That's ok, right Amaranth?
[07:25] <Amaranth> already done
[08:03] <Amaranth> pochu: Ah, so you're the other one doing compiz bug triage. :)
[08:03] <ajmitch> RAOF: btw, stuff like mono apps often won't get a useful stacktrace, because they're run in a JIT
[08:03] <pochu> Amaranth: mostly desktop-effects :)
[08:04] <pochu> Amaranth: though my knowledge is minimun :(
[08:04] <pochu> but I help in what I can :)
[08:04] <Amaranth> Well, I remember I was looking for you a week or so ago to tell you not to upstream every single bug report. :)
[08:04] <Amaranth> But that doesn't seem to be a problem now so...
[08:05] <pochu> hehe, ok :)
[08:05] <Amaranth> btw, does the launchpad beta spit out a page that your browser wants to download for anyone else?
[08:05] <Amaranth> like 25% of the time when i try to use it
[08:05] <Amaranth> i thought it might just be me
[08:05] <pochu> Amaranth: a bin file?
[08:05] <Amaranth> yeah
[08:06] <pochu> Amaranth: known bug (also in productive LP) :(
[08:06] <pochu> though they don't know how to fix it hehe
[08:06] <Amaranth> is it just when it's under high load?
[08:06] <Amaranth> because lp also goes extremely slowly when it does it to me
[08:06] <Amaranth> which is kind of funny
[08:06] <pochu> it's always slow to me ;)
[08:07] <Amaranth> when it's going slow because of high load it makes you fetch most things twice, not exactly helping the load problems
[08:07] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: I get the same, the frequency changes too :(
[08:07] <Fujitsu> Really annoying.
[08:07] <Fujitsu> And it only started recently.
[08:07] <pochu> yeah, also the left bar doesn't work properly sometimes (need to refresh)
[08:08] <pochu> but we are beta testers, aren't we? :)
[08:08] <Amaranth> heh
[08:08] <crimsun> it's more funner on 56kbps dialup. No, really. It's ponies!
[08:08] <Fujitsu> pochu: That's like due to the Javascript not loading due to the same issue.
[08:08] <Fujitsu> crimsun: That sounds great!
[08:08] <pochu> Fujitsu: known bug?
[08:08] <Fujitsu> (you're on 56k now? I thought it was 28k...)
[08:08] <crimsun> it has always been 56kbps, but it's effectively 28.8
[08:08] <Amaranth> pochu: same bug
[08:08] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[08:09] <pochu> ah :)
[08:09] <Amaranth> crimsun: that's...painful
[08:09] <crimsun> Amaranth: builds character
[08:09] <Amaranth> well, better than what i'll likely have as of sometime today
[08:09] <Amaranth> no internet :/
[08:09] <pochu> where are u then? :)
[08:09] <Amaranth> unless these guys except half the money i owe today and the rest in 2 weeks
[08:09] <ajmitch> crimsun: you make a cup of coffee for every page load?
[08:10] <Fujitsu> My days of 28.8kbps are over as of about 6 months ago :)
[08:10] <crimsun> ajmitch: jog down the block, refill coffee, read the paper, ...
[08:10] <ajmitch> Amaranth: why so broke?
[08:10] <Amaranth> ajmitch: just starting a new job
[08:10] <ajmitch> ah
[08:10] <ajmitch> oh dear
[08:10] <Fujitsu> Oh dear, we're doomed.
[08:10] <Amaranth> that i'll only have for about a month if they don't let me go to spain :P
[08:11] <ajmitch> good luck with that
[08:11] <crimsun> LongPointyStick is enjoying the vestiges of beryl.
[08:11] <Amaranth> hell i'd be ready to smack something too ;)
[08:12] <joejaxx> lol
[08:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:12] <Hobbsee> was
[08:12] <Amaranth> which reminds me, it's sad to see all the problems people are having with compiz in ubuntu
[08:12] <Amaranth> i guess it just shows how fast this stuff is moving
[08:13] <ajmitch> hey Hobbsee
[08:13] <Amaranth> because compiz from latest git is so much better in all the little things it fixes (and some big things)
[08:13] <ajmitch> Amaranth: so push to get it in
[08:13] <Hobbsee> hiya
[08:13] <Amaranth> seb128 tried getting a snapshop of the 0.4 head in
[08:13] <Amaranth> seems to have died
[08:13] <pochu> heya Hobbsee
[08:13] <Hobbsee> hiya pochu
[08:14] <Amaranth> gandalfn is on a quest to backport half of git into the 0.3.6 package to work around UVF ;)
[08:14] <crimsun> that way madness lies.
[08:14] <Amaranth> i won't touch that package
[08:14] <crimsun> oh I remember the grey hairs with vlc and backporting round about, oh, say breezy
[08:15] <Amaranth> i've got this plugin to do edge resistance without wobbly but i just attached the plain .c file to the bug and left it for someone else to try to figure out
[08:15] <Amaranth> it's got like 20 patches
[08:15] <Amaranth> one reruns autoconf, another rebuilds the gconf schema...
[08:17] <pochu> heya Lure
[08:18] <pochu> desktop-effects cleaned up :) just 1 bug unconfirmed, which is bug 94906. anybody want to finish the work? :)
[08:18] <ubotu> Malone bug 94906 in desktop-effects "Unable to use due to special xorg.conf settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94906
[08:18] <Lure> hi pochu and motu!
[08:20] <Amaranth> pochu: dunno wtf they're talking about, since when did desktop-effects edit your xorg.conf?
[08:20] <ajmitch> restricted-manager does
[08:20] <Amaranth> hmm, maybe desktop-effects calls out to it
[08:21] <Amaranth> it does :/
[08:22] <pochu>  * Add 02_check_restricted_manager.patch: Call 'restricted-manager
[08:22] <pochu>     --check-composite', and if that succeeded (i. e. a composite driver was
[08:22] <pochu>     available and enabled), ask to restart the app after rebooting and exit.
[08:22] <Amaranth> pochu: reassign to restricted-manager and wishlist it
[08:22] <pochu> changelog from pitti
[08:22] <pochu> Amaranth: ok :)
[08:22] <pochu> thanks ;)
[08:23] <pochu> do you guys know what has happened to Ubugtu?
[08:23] <Amaranth> bug 1
[08:23] <ubotu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[08:23] <ajmitch> it was killed off
[08:23] <Amaranth> they merged
[08:23] <pochu> have ubotu and ubugtu been merged?
[08:23] <Amaranth> yeah
[08:23] <pochu> :)
[08:24] <Amaranth> ubugtu was running some channel management stuff too, was kind of weird
[08:24] <pochu> then Seveas forgot to log ubotu in #ubuntu-iso :(
[08:27] <Amaranth> pochu: nice, desktop-effects has 3 important bugs, one typo bug, and a couple wishlist/low bugs :)
[08:27] <Amaranth> now get compiz down to that ;)
[08:27] <pochu> Amaranth: 104 bugs in compiz :-/
[08:27] <pochu> 103 now :)
[08:27] <jussi01> morning motu's
[08:27] <Amaranth> when i started it had 74 and i knocked it down to ~60
[08:28] <Amaranth> i think half of them are actually bug 89189
[08:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 89189 in xorg "No text in save/dialog boxes" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89189
[08:28] <pochu> hehe
[08:28] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: are you still using compiz?
[08:29] <pochu> Amaranth: we can make a good bughelper clue :)
[08:29] <Amaranth> "some sort of invisible stuff" == that bug
[08:29] <Amaranth> generally
[08:29] <Burgundavia> compiz bugs used to be down at around 50 when I was doing it :)
[08:29] <Burgundavia> as for running compiz, no, I value stablity and not ripping out my hair
[08:29] <crimsun> there are no bugs, only features.
[08:30] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: do you have XAANoOffscreenPixmaps enabled in your xorg.conf?
[08:30] <Burgundavia> no idea, let me check
[08:30] <Amaranth> if not please add it, restart X, and test bug 38121 again :)
[08:30] <ubotu> Malone bug 38121 in compiz "gnome-window-decorator does not update titles" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/38121
[08:35] <Amaranth> should be in the Device section, btw
[08:35] <Seveas> @join #ubuntu-iso
[08:35] <Seveas> sorry pochu
[08:37] <pochu> Seveas: thanks :) will ubotu take some time in join?
[08:38] <crimsun> pochu: do you have time to review #95514's affect on amule?
[08:38] <pochu> bug 95514
[08:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 95514 in wxwidgets2.8 "[UVFe]  wxwidgets <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95514
[08:39] <pochu> crimsun: already running in amule (I have rebuilt it, didn't know whether that was neccessary or not)
[08:40] <pochu> crimsun: at least bug 68792 and bug 81980 are still there :-/
[08:40] <ubotu> Malone bug 68792 in amule "amule crashes when trying to download kad nodes" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68792
[08:40] <ubotu> Malone bug 81980 in amule "Amule Crash when I try to get the server list" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81980
[08:43] <crimsun> ok, so does <IP_ADDRESS> actually fix any of our reported bugs?
[08:44] <pochu> crimsun: not sure, but I think not :(
[08:44] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: Now that I look at it most of your bugs for compiz seem to be bug 89189 which is fixed by adding that option to xorg.conf
[08:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 89189 in xorg "No text in save/dialog boxes" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89189
[08:45] <pochu> not sure about those apport reports (I'm not good with stacktraces)
[08:45] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: hmm, lovely. Why not turn the option on by default then?
[08:45] <pochu> but the changelog doesn't mention them
[08:45] <Amaranth> because it disabled most of the stuff that makes XAA useful and kills performance when you're not using compiz
[08:47] <crimsun> pochu: if you're interested in wxw2.8, please continue to track it. Currently my vote is +0 for that UVFe
[08:47] <pochu> Seveas: thanks :)
[08:47] <pochu> crimsun: ok, I'll try to see if it fixes any known bug
[08:48] <crimsun> thanks
[08:48] <ajmitch> if you don't know of it fixing any bugs, why are you requesting it?
[08:48] <pochu> ajmitch: I thought it would fix some bugs (since it's a bugfix release) but I have looked at it after requesting it :/
[08:49] <racarr> Amaranth: I still find "XAA" and "useful" being used in same same sentence funny
[08:49] <racarr> Amaranth: It's like "Disabling the firewall gets rid of the stuff that makes windows secure"
[08:49] <Amaranth> yeah well
[08:49] <Amaranth> it's a noticeable performance difference
[08:50] <Amaranth> and daniels said not to do it so...
[08:50] <racarr> It's strange because I have the same bug
[08:50] <racarr> on EXA
[08:51] <Amaranth> i'm thinking i should reassign bug 77164 to amarok
[08:51] <ubotu> Malone bug 77164 in compiz "Intense processor activity when Amarok is maximized" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77164
[08:51] <Amaranth> the only thing i could think that would cause it is amarok redrawing part of itself very fast and causing lots of damage events
[08:52] <Amaranth> which, well, will make the WM spin more
[09:19] <Amaranth> alright, compiz is down to 85 bugs
[09:19] <Amaranth> :D
[09:20] <Lathiat> hahaha
[09:21] <Lathiat> ONLY!
[09:21] <Fujitsu> At least it's in main.
[09:23] <Amaranth> Lathiat: a couple serious bugs, a dozen or so crashes that are two old to retrace, some wishlist stuff, etc
[09:36] <dholbach> hellas
[09:37] <RAOF> As in "hella, yeah"? :)
[09:37] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ping
[09:37] <macd> RAOF, hows the IT world in AU ?
[09:37] <dholbach> RAOF: as in 'hello' in greek ;-)
[09:38] <RAOF> The IT world in .au is pretty much like the IT world everywhere else, I think :)
[09:38] <RAOF> dholbach: Cool, I learn (and probably forget) something new everyday :)
[09:39] <ajmitch> LaserJock: pong
[09:40] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[09:41] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[09:42] <Fujitsu> Too many AUians around at the moment.
[09:42] <LaserJock> yes
[09:42] <LaserJock> taking over the world
[09:43] <LaserJock> if only you can get of the island
[09:43] <RAOF> It's our afternoon.   Our tubes are very clogged.
[09:45] <macd> Fujitsu, yeah I have peers in AU that constantly complain about "regulated" and throttled internet
[09:46] <macd> I cant even fathom such things ;)
[09:46] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Is it dieing, or too small?
[09:46] <macd> does it sound like a rock on the concrete when it spins yet ;)
[09:47] <StevenK> It's more mis-partitioned.
[09:47] <StevenK> And it's a PATA drive, whereas the new drive is a yummy SATA II drive.
[09:47] <macd> you know they make software for that sorta thing ;)
[09:47] <Fujitsu> macd: I was thinking the same.
[09:47] <Fujitsu> But SATAII sounds nicer.
[09:47] <macd> indeed it does
[09:47] <RAOF> ajmitch: When I'm awake, everyone else is meant to be asleep.  It's a little known exclusion-principle.
[09:48] <macd> I picked up a 320gb sata2 for like 80 last week, I was so happy
[09:48] <StevenK> And it's also too small to really care much about fixing.
[09:48] <Fujitsu> RAOF: Except for the fact that half the active channel is in AU/NZ.
[09:49] <macd> the rest are just underslept americans
[10:14] <zakame> hi all
[10:14] <ajmitch> hey zakame
[10:14] <zakame> yo ajmitch
[10:14] <zakame> I'm on plan9 under qemu now, just testing :)
[10:16] <zakame> hehehe
[10:16] <zakame> has anybody started with the revctl'd homedirs idea on GSoC2007?
[10:21] <phanatic> zakame: nobody went crazy hopefully :)
[10:21] <zakame> [no matches in 9.intro.pdf 9.ps 9.ps.gz bin/ kp.ps kp.ps.gz lib/ pikestyle.pdf plan9jun.tgz src/ tmp/ trofftut.ps zakame.png]
[10:21] <zakame> gaah ctrl-f completion
[10:22] <zakame> phanatic: well I've this idea of implementing that plan9-style :P
[10:22] <zakame> maybe using pdumpfs (but I remember someone had thought of this too long before SoC)
[10:22] <phanatic> zakame: i don't know plan9 that well tbh
[10:23] <zakame> phanatic: well plan9 already has that kind of functionality, via its fossil+venti filesystem
[10:24] <zakame> a plan9 system with that has the capability of doing temporary and archival snapshots; the temp every 15 min and good for 4h; the archival, every morning
[10:24] <phanatic> sounds pretty cool
[10:25] <zakame> and the backups are easily accessible under different directories, sorted by date, e.g. /n/sourcesdump/2007/02/24/file
[10:25] <zakame> pdumpfs seems to already do this under Linux, but I've yet to see how feasible it can be
[10:32] <dholbach> doko: do you think we should get the changes for bug 95983 in?
[10:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 95983 in Ubuntu "Burning CDs requires apps to be run as Sudo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95983
[10:32] <dholbach> doko: do you think we should get the changes for bug 95893 in?
[10:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 95893 in gcc-h8300-hms "[UVFe Sync Request]  gcc-h8300-hms 1:3.4.6-2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95893
[10:32] <dholbach> sorry, wrong bug
[10:33] <dholbach> doko: the changes are HUGE, so I'm not entirely sure about it
[10:33] <Fujitsu> We've had that version previously, haven't we?
[10:34] <Fujitsu> It's reverting from 4.1 due to it breaking a few things... Surely that's a good thing?
[10:34] <dholbach> oh right - it has an epoch now
[10:35] <dholbach> still I'd like to hear doko about it - it's his area of expertise :)
[10:52] <\sh> moins
[10:53] <doko> dholbach: I don't care much about the cross compilers; if 4.x doesn't work, the fallback to 3.4 should be ok
[10:53] <dholbach> doko: ok - thanks
[10:54] <\sh> guys, where is this script to change debian/control to mention ubuntu maintainer fields...
[10:54] <dholbach> \sh: if you find it, please add it to MOTU/FAQ :)
[10:55] <StevenK> \sh: Commonly called "emacs" :-P
[10:55] <\sh> dholbach: hehe ;)
[10:55] <\sh> StevenK: well, yes, but someone wrote a small script...so this script i need to find :)
[10:55] <StevenK> \sh: I'd find it useful too. I keep doing it by hand.
[10:55] <dholbach> .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#ubuntu-motu.log:Mr 23 16:10:32 geser       jdong: use Lutin's script for the maintainer change (http://dunnewind.net/~lutin/code/build_scripts/update-maintainer), so you don't need to remember
[10:56] <\sh> StevenK: and it's called "vi" ;)
[10:56] <\sh> dholbach: you rock :)
[10:56] <dholbach> \sh: grep -i maintainer .xchat2/xchatlogs/*motu* | grep -i script | grep http
[10:56] <dholbach> no magic :)
[10:57] <StevenK> Ouch, that script is evil.
[10:57] <\sh> dholbach: when you have the logfiles at hand
[10:58] <\sh> StevenK: I think we have to tweak this script to be correct ;)
[10:58] <StevenK> But it's 2 pages of shell!
[10:58] <StevenK> I could write one in 5 lines of Python.
[10:59] <\sh> hehe...this one is funny
[10:59] <\sh> mail=$(grep -E "^Maintainer" debian/control | sed -r 's/.*<(.*)>/\1/')
[10:59] <\sh> case $mail in
[10:59] <\sh><EMAIL_ADDRESS>    email="Adam Conrad<EMAIL_ADDRESS>     ;;
[10:59] <\sh><EMAIL_ADDRESS>    email="Martin Pitt<EMAIL_ADDRESS>  ;;
[10:59] <\sh> esac
[11:00] <\sh> wenn adam/pitti is package maintainer, rewrite his address with the ubuntu one lol nice one, really :)
[11:01] <Fujitsu> That looks like it was lifted out of pkgbinarymangler.
[11:03] <\sh> s/wenn/when/
[11:03] <\sh> oh...sabine quit her position at denic...damn...Internet is changing in germany
[11:10] <zakame> hi \sh!
[11:21] <\sh> hey zakame
[11:35] <welshbyte> morning all
[11:59] <surak> Hello MOTUs!
[12:55] <imbrandon> moins all
[12:55] <welshbyte> good morning
[12:56] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.
[12:56] <imbrandon> he Fujitsu , looks like i might be beefing up aurora today unexpectedly
[12:56] <Fujitsu> What's being done to it, imbrandon?
[12:57] <dholbach> ok, unmetdeps bugs are now filed and will be tagged as unmetdeps in a bit
[12:57] <Lutin> hi there
[12:57] <StevenK> Fujitsu: imbrandon is putting some roast beef in an expansion solt.
[12:57] <StevenK> slot, even
[12:57] <imbrandon> well in the intrem of me and ajmitch working on it it only had one hdd in it ( well 4 in it, only one mounted ) and it threw it last night
[12:57] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Sounds plausible.
[12:57] <imbrandon> sooo its stitting off in the DC untill i drive up there this morning
[12:58] <imbrandon> but i figure while i'm there i have ram to add
[12:58] <imbrandon> sooo
[12:58] <Fujitsu> OK.
[12:59] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:01] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: I've got a patch for the LP account importer to check that the username has only sane characters.
[01:02] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, rockin, i have it on intrepid and sparky running at 5am every day
[01:02] <imbrandon> did you allow "."
[01:03] <Fujitsu> -+.a-zA-Z0-9
[01:03] <imbrandon> because useradd normaly dosent but i forced it too since some LP names had it
[01:03] <imbrandon> kk
[01:04] <imbrandon> you gonna be on for 2 more hours Fujitsu ?
[01:04] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Should be, maybe 2.5.
[01:04] <Fujitsu> Depending on how tired I am.
[01:05] <imbrandon> ok, i'm gonna grab a shower and head to the DC ( about a 30-45 minute drive from here )
[01:05] <Fujitsu> OK.
[01:05] <imbrandon> i should be ther ein less than 2 hours
[01:05] <Fujitsu> See you then :)
[01:05] <imbrandon> and i';ll add the update to the script
[01:06] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: The new one is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12131/
[01:06] <imbrandon> hrm there is no way to software raid a drive and lvm it huh ?
[01:06] <imbrandon> s/drive/drive set/
[01:07] <Fujitsu> I don't see why you couldn't...
[01:07] <Fujitsu> (I've never used Linux software RAID)
[01:07] <StevenK> imbrandon: Sure there is
[01:08] <StevenK> imbrandon: Create the RAID array, pvcreate /dev/md?, and away you go
[01:08] <imbrandon> will d-i let you do it? because i have a feeling i'm going to be replaceing that 250 with 2x160
[01:08] <Fujitsu> Just configure the RAID, and use the volumes on it as LVM PVs... Should be fine.
[01:08] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: It should do.
[01:08] <StevenK> imbrandon: Yup
[01:08] <imbrandon> kk
[01:08] <imbrandon>  /boot and swap on non raid though right ?
[01:09] <Fujitsu> There's little point having swap on a mirror.
[01:10] <StevenK> imbrandon: I'd have a sda1 as a 100M /boot, sda2 as RAID, and sda3 as 1G swap. Same for sdb
[01:10] <StevenK> Hrm. I think this machine has finally detected the SATA drive.
[01:12] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:12] <imbrandon> ok back in a bit
[01:41] <DarkSun88> Hello
[01:43] <DarkSun88> Any main sponsor here?
[01:43] <crimsun> yes?
[01:44] <DarkSun88> crimsun: Hi :)
[01:44] <DarkSun88> crimsun: Can you so kind to check this sync? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpaint/+bug/95944
[01:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 95944 in gpaint "Please sync gpaint 0.3.0pre5-4 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[01:45] <crimsun> DarkSun88: the debian/changelog entry for -3 is missing in the description.
[01:54] <crimsun> blah
[02:21] <DarkSun88> crimsun: Tra to check now: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpaint/+bug/95944
[02:21] <ubotu> Malone bug 95944 in gpaint "Please sync gpaint 0.3.0pre5-4 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:21] <DarkSun88> crimsun: The version of the package is -4 and not -3
[02:38] <imbrandon> re
[02:38] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.
[02:38] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon
[02:39] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[02:39] <highvoltage> hey urbrandon
[02:39] <ajmitch> fixed up aurora?
[02:39] <imbrandon> ajmitch, i'm at the office about to hook a head on aurora
[02:39] <imbrandon> nope just walked in
[02:43] <imbrandon> i think the 250 bit the dist
[02:43] <imbrandon> dust*
[02:47] <DarkSun88> Any main sponsor here?
[02:48] <DarkSun88> Could you so kind to check this bug? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpaint/+bug/95944
[02:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 95944 in gpaint "Please sync gpaint 0.3.0pre5-4 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:48] <DarkSun88> It's sync
[02:48] <\sh> DarkSun88: I think that's more #ubuntu-devel :)
[02:48] <DarkSun88> \sh: Thank you for information.
[02:48] <\sh> DarkSun88: and without a freeze exception from <god of release maintainer> there are no syncs in main
[02:50] <Fujitsu> \sh: Why not?
[02:54] <cypher1> i cannot seem to find a package that delivers qtmake
[02:55] <cypher1> am i missing something ?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> cypher1: qmake, you mean?
[02:56] <cypher1> Hobbsee, yes qmake, sorry
[02:56] <cypher1> let me search again
[02:56] <cypher1> Hobbsee, got it thanks! :)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:57] <\sh> Fujitsu: new upstream versions == freeze exception...and other syncs == archive maintainer, that's what I meant
[02:58] <Fujitsu> \sh: Syncs are under the same restrictions as normal uploads, surely?
[03:45] <imbrandon> woot i'm the man
[03:45] <imbrandon> ajmitch, Fujitsu : aurora is fixed and will be back up in moments
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:00] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[04:00] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[04:01] <welshbyte> ello bddebian
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya welshbyte
[04:16] <Monk-e> https://launchpad.net/beryl/ at the right it says "Doesn't use Malone" under Product Status, is this information outdated?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Monk-e: no, it's correct.  you're looking in the wrong place, i suspect
[04:17] <lupine_85> not particularly, we use trac ;)
[04:17] <Monk-e> But people can report bugs to beryl packages in ubuntu can't they?
[04:18] <lupine_85> well, they can
[04:18] <sharms> it makes no sense to file ubuntu bugs under an external tracker
[04:18] <sharms> if every project did that things would be a huge mess
[04:19] <pochu> Monk-e: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beryl/+bugs
[04:19] <pochu> err, sorry
[04:19] <lupine_85> well, I fail at launchpad ;)
[04:19] <pochu> Monk-e: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beryl-core/+bugs
[04:19] <lupine_85> and I like my metadata, etc
[04:19] <Monk-e> pochu, I know, that's why I said it. ;)
[04:20] <pochu> Monk-e: oh, but this is the ubuntu beryl bugs, and the other is the upstream beryl product (which doesnt use malone)
[04:20] <lupine_85> ah, the joy of useless backtraces...
[04:20] <Monk-e> Ok, it is kind of confusing though.
[04:21] <sharms> lupine_85: can't retrace?
[04:22] <Monk-e> Could it be possibly cleared up? Saying that if there's a bug in upstream it should be reported to <berylsbugtracker>?
[04:24] <Monk-e> Never mind, I think I'm misinterpreting things anyway. :)
[04:30] <bddebian> Hmm, whatever happened to ESR I wonder? :-)
[04:32] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[04:33] <tritium> hi bddebian :)
[04:33] <tritium> airport, even
[04:33] <bddebian> heh
[04:34] <tritium> Well, we're boarding.  Take it easy, bddebian.
[04:34] <bddebian> Later man
[04:34] <Hobbsee> bye tritium!
[04:35] <nixternal> boo
[04:35] <bddebian> aaahhh
[04:35] <bddebian> Hi nixternal
[04:36] <nixternal> howdy bddebian
[04:39] <lupine_85> So, erm, how does one close a bug on LP?
[04:39] <lupine_85> specifically bug 95565
[04:39] <ubotu> Malone bug 95565 in beryl-core "Package "emerald" not available" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95565
[04:40] <lupine_85> ah, got it
[04:41] <bddebian> heh
[04:42] <lupine_85> most of the SIGSEGVs are a bug to do with x.org, IIRC
[04:42] <lupine_85> (the ones in eventLoop)
[04:48] <lupine_85> bug 95763
[04:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 95763 in beryl-core "Returning to kwin from beryl squares the number of desktops." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95763
[04:48] <lupine_85> that's a bug in kicker, not beryl :p
[04:50] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: then fix the kicker to work with beryl :)
[04:50] <lupine_85> haha, nice one
[04:50] <lupine_85> it probably just needs to update it's viewport count when the workspace count changes
[04:53] <lupine_85> oh, and it draws viewport preview for the current viewport on the space for viewport 1 :/
[04:54] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: want to see some crack?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/snapshot6.png and http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/snapshot7.png
[04:57] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: bddebian ^
[04:57] <Hobbsee> well, more something trippy and weird :P
[04:58] <lupine_85> has someone been playing with beryl-desktop-manager?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: yeah
[04:58] <lupine_85> thought so :p
[04:58] <Hobbsee> trippy thing.
[04:59] <lupine_85> go on, report a bug for me to reject, I darrrrrrrre you :D
[04:59] <Hobbsee> still heaps of bugs yet
[04:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:59] <bddebian> aaaahhh my eyes
[04:59] <lupine_85> nah, it's caused because there's no longer anything managing that background (for whatever reason)
[04:59] <lupine_85> restarting kdesktop should fix it
[04:59] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: that you cant ctrl+c beryl from a terminal - it stops all keyboard input, until you restart X.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> yeah, thoguht it might.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> think that was with a crackful option on
[04:59] <bddebian> And why is this crap such an "important" package?
[05:00] <lupine_85> bddebian: no apparent reason
[05:00] <Hobbsee> but i could reproduce the solitare effect all the time
[05:00] <Hobbsee> bddebian: because its' bling!!!
[05:00] <lupine_85> except for being part of the fix for bug 1
[05:00] <ubotu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:00] <lupine_85> :p
[05:00] <Hobbsee> bddebian: dont you want wobbly windows??
[05:00] <bddebian> No
[05:00] <bddebian> lupine_85: Sorry, I don't exactly see that as the "windows killer" app
[05:00] <lupine_85> Hobbsee: I've played with bdm somewhat, too... did you enable the "desktop manager supports viewports" option in beryl-settings?
[05:01] <lupine_85> bddebian: you might not, but a lot of windows users think differently
[05:01] <bddebian> I AM a Windows user
[05:01] <welshbyte> i like the looking out of your cube over the sea effect, nice touch
[05:01] <lupine_85> it's a bit sad how much some people depend on eyecandy
[05:01] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: i had, but the solitare happens with both it on and off
[05:01] <shawarma> Hobbsee: How do you make those screenshots?
[05:01] <bddebian> I live and breed Windows for my "job"
[05:01] <Hobbsee> shawarma: ksnapshot
[05:01] <lupine_85> poor bddebian :D
[05:01] <bddebian> Erer that should have been "live and breath" sheesh
[05:01] <lupine_85> mm, ksnapshot++
[05:01] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Is that different from Imagemagick's import?
[05:02] <shawarma> Hobbsee: When I use that, I don't see any of the fancy effects.
[05:02] <lupine_85> especially with the delayed snapshots
[05:02] <shawarma> Hobbsee: I don't even have my window border.
[05:02] <Hobbsee> shawarma: with beryl enabled
[05:02] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: indeed!
[05:02] <shawarma> Hobbsee: And frankly I don't expect to, so I'm just curious why it works for you.
[05:02] <bddebian> lupine_85: And I'm not trying to dis your work, I just don't get the appeal I guess :-(
[05:02] <lupine_85> well, bdm needs a helluva lot of work anyway :)
[05:02] <lupine_85> bddebian: no worries :)
[05:02] <bddebian> I'd rather seem some nice games for GNU/Linux ;-)
[05:02] <bddebian> Goddamn I can't type today
[05:02] <lupine_85> !wesnoth
[05:02] <lupine_85> ?
[05:03] <Hobbsee> shawarma: it's just with ksnapshot, with kde, aquamarine, and beryl running
[05:03] <ubotu> wesnoth: fantasy turn-based strategy game. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.1.8-1 (edgy), package size 1820 kB, installed size 4140 kB
[05:03] <bddebian> Wesnoth blows compared to Oblivion or NeverWinterNights
[05:03] <lupine_85> NWN runs in linux
[05:03] <lupine_85> :
[05:03] <lupine_85> :p
[05:03] <bddebian> NWN does but I don't think theres an NWN2 client is there?
[05:03] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Are you using xserver-xgl?
[05:04] <lupine_85> not yet, maybe at some point
[05:04] <Hobbsee> shawarma: no.  intel 965
[05:04] <Hobbsee> so, aiglx
[05:04] <lupine_85> but I'd imagine it'll work with the magic of cedega
[05:04] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Does it work with import?
[05:04] <lupine_85> and FFXII comes before NWN2 :D
[05:04] <bddebian> pfft :)
[05:04] <Hobbsee> shawarma: *shrug* - it's just like gnome-snapshot, i believe
[05:04] <Hobbsee> it's not digikam or anything
[05:05] <lupine_85> NWN << baldurs gate
[05:05] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Weird. And you've done nothing special to make it work?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> shawarma: not really.  only running the correct programs, in sequence (beryl, then emerald or aquamarine)
[05:05] <Hobbsee> oh, and telling teh cube to be transparent
[05:06] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Hm.m.. gnome-screenshot works.
[05:06] <bddebian> lupine_85: You are obviously on crack :-)
[05:06] <shawarma> Hobbsee: But Imagemagick's import doesn't.
[05:06] <Hobbsee> dunno about that, sorry
[05:06] <bddebian> And how about Star Wars: KotR I and II ? :-)
[05:08] <lupine_85> urgh, star wars
[05:08] <shawarma> lupine_85: Maybe you have some interesting input on that.. Why does gnome-screenshot capture the effects of Beryl, but Imagemagick's import doesn't?
[05:08] <lupine_85> erm, no idea :s
[05:08] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: i'm wondering why the kpager viewports boxes are so big, too
[05:08] <bddebian> Call of Duty I and II? :-)
[05:08] <bddebian> Halo?
[05:08] <lupine_85> kpager is just b0ken in general with viewports
[05:09] <lupine_85> bddebian: Xbox? PS2?
[05:09] <lupine_85> :p
[05:09] <bddebian> pfft
[05:09] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: ahh.  fix it :)
[05:09] <lupine_85> heh, people complaining about missing beryl-xgl
[05:12] <lupine_85> I must to work; after that, I'll look at bugs 95763 and 95706 in moar detail
[05:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 95763 in beryl-core "Returning to kwin from beryl squares the number of desktops." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95763
[05:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 95706 in beryl-core "[apport]  beryl crashed with SIGFPE in detectRefreshRateOfScreen()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95706
[05:13] <lupine_85> since they shouldn't be too hard to fix :p
[05:17] <sacater> HI GUYS!
[05:17] <bddebian> Hello sacater
[05:18] <pochu> heya sacater
[05:18] <sacater> :D
[05:18] <pochu> :)
[05:19] <sacater> white or dark chocolate chip?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> dark!
[05:20] <sacater> Hobbsee: what is this stick i hear you have :|
[05:20] <welshbyte> are we allowed to redistribute these cookies? maybe if we supply the recipe with them?
[05:20] <elkbuntu> ooohhh.. cookies?
[05:20] <bddebian> welshbyte: No, they are non-free damnit! :-)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> sacater: the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:20] <sacater> bddebian: they are FREE
[05:20] <sacater> Hobbsee: STICK!
[05:21] <elkbuntu> bddebian, well it's not like anyone is going to want to poke through it after you've made alterations to the cookie
[05:22] <sacater> welshbyte: do you have on DVD, i only have a crummy version i taped on the TV
[05:22] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:22] <bddebian> elkbuntu: hehe
[05:23] <welshbyte> sacater: i think my housemate does, but i've seen it so many times it's imprinted on my brain
[05:23] <sacater> welshbyte: dont suppose you could copy and mail to me :D
[05:23] <welshbyte> no, that'd be illegal :P
[05:23] <sacater> welshbyte: :(
[05:24] <sacater> what about if you hide the disc in a very large cookie :D
[05:27] <imbrandon> ...
[06:06] <welshbyte> would you say that bug 96346 is a duplicate of bug 80316 ?
[06:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 96346 in emerald-themes "[UNMETDEPS]  emerald-themes has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96346
[06:07] <ubotu> Malone bug 80316 in emerald-themes "emerald-themes 0.1.2-0ubuntu1 has an unmet deps on Feisty" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80316
[06:08] <dholbach> welshbyte: looks like it
[06:09] <sacater> welshbyte: yep, duplicate
[06:10] <dholbach> maybe the next iteration of the massfile script will have something like dup checking :)
[06:10] <Lutin> even looks like there's no unmetdep
[06:10] <Lutin> at least, installs fine here
[06:10] <dholbach> coult be that it was fixed over the WE
[06:15] <geser> dholbach: could the massfile script be improved that it also mails which unmet dep it was and on which arch?
[06:16] <dholbach> geser: I don'T have information over all archs in my apt-cache
[06:16] <geser> it's a little hard to discover in some months if this unmet dep is still the case or if was fixed in between
[06:16] <geser> the arch you are running it would be enough
[06:17] <imbrandon> dholbach, i can also run the script on other arches ( or you can for that matter ) in chroots in the community buildd's
[06:17] <imbrandon> but that might make a bunch of dupes
[06:17] <dholbach> yeah
[06:17] <dholbach> we need to fix the dup bit yet :)
[06:17] <dholbach> bughelper could help with that
[06:19] <bersace> siretart: Hi, did you revu babl ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4722 ) and gegl ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4719 ) ?
[06:20] <Lutin> someone around using feisty on amd64 ?
[06:21] <geser> yes, me
[06:22] <Lutin> geser: could you try to install thuban, modify /usr/bin/thuban to make it run with python2.4 and try to run it, to see if it launches ?
[06:34] <geser> Lutin: after changing thuban to use python2.4 it starts
[06:37] <jetsaredim> can someone help me with a problem with feisty and nvidia-glx??
[06:37] <Lutin> geser: ok, cool. thanks :)
[06:38] <welshbyte> jetsaredim: this isn't a support channel, you might want to try #ubuntu, #ubuntu+1 or file a bug on launchpad
[06:41] <jetsaredim> k
[07:04] <jdong> just a quick question; what happened to beryl-xgl in Ubuntu packaging of beryl?
[07:04] <jdong> XGL people actually do need it :(
[07:04] <jdong> standard beryl glitches badly on xgl.
[07:04] <ivoks> on ati?
[07:05] <jdong> well, /usr/bin/beryl-xgl is not in Ubuntu beryl packaging...
[07:05] <jdong> probably removed for some reason?
[07:06] <imbrandon> yes it was removed because ity contained mesa crap
[07:07] <jdong> mmm.
[07:07] <imbrandon> untill they can build it without the inline mesa ( post feisty ) it wont be in the archive
[07:07] <jdong> I see.
[07:09] <jdong> official?
[07:09] <welshbyte> could be
[07:10] <ivoks> no
[07:10] <ivoks>   * Renamed package libmysqlclient15 to libmysqlclient15off due to
[07:10] <ivoks>     binary incompatible changes.
[07:10] <ivoks> See /usr/share/doc/libmysqlclient15off/README.Debian
[07:11] <welshbyte> ivoks: cheers :)
[07:11] <ivoks> basicly, it is official :D
[07:11] <sacater> anyone seen sabdfl?
[07:12] <imbrandon> sacater, sure but he is not in here atm
[07:12] <imbrandon> looks like -devel and launchpad atm
[07:12] <sacater> ok
[07:24] <imbrandon> geser, updated the url on ubuntuwire with a tad bit more info, i'll prettyfy it today with the exact instructions
[07:24] <imbrandon> just fyi
[07:25] <geser> thanks
[08:35] <maxamillion> i would like to inquire about what all obligations would come with being a MOTU in terms of amount of time spent, number of meetings to attend, number of packages to take responsibility for, etc. .... is there a link i should be referencing or am i in the right place?
[08:38] <pochu> maxamillion: you can start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU#head-ec7a97d5af67e96747b4f36993232ff434f4486c
[08:38] <welshbyte> maxamillion: i'm not a motu myself but i like to help out whenever i have time, there's plenty to do and you can just jump right in really
[08:40] <pochu> hey sacater!
[08:40] <maxamillion> welshbyte: how do you contribue?
[08:40] <pochu> neither am I :)
[08:40] <sacater> welshbyte: im not MOTU either (I am under slow training though)
[08:40] <sacater> MOTU would be nice
[08:40] <sacater> but i dont have the time atm
[08:40] <sacater> SATS
[08:41] <DktrKranz> maxamillion, you can pick a task from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO
[08:41] <sacater> school work
[08:41] <sacater> that shiz
[08:41] <sacater> revision
[08:41] <maxamillion> DktrKranz: thanks, i just noticed that link
[08:42] <welshbyte> maxamillion: have a look at the links people have pasted, there's loads of information on the wiki :)
[08:42] <maxamillion> i noticed there isn't a Xubuntu MOTU team ... why is that?
[08:42] <DktrKranz> there are some easy task which can introduce you
[08:42] <maxamillion> welshbyte: yeah, i'm just starting to read over it now :)
[08:42] <DktrKranz> take a look at them
[08:42] <maxamillion> DktrKranz: will do, thank you
[08:42] <DktrKranz> check from resolved issues
[08:42] <DktrKranz> and try yourself!
[08:43] <welshbyte> maxamillion: MOTU takes care of all the packages in universe/multiverse... which includes packages available in kubuntu and xubuntu too
[08:43] <DktrKranz> here you will find some great guys who will help you
[08:44] <maxamillion> welshbyte: right, but on the wiki page there is a listing of a Kubuntu MOTU team but not one for Xubuntu ... there is a XFCE one which I would assume is what Jani handles
[08:44] <maxamillion> welshbyte: reason i ask is because i am a xubuntu contributor
[08:45] <welshbyte> maxamillion: well there's an XFCE group listed, I guess that's the relevant one
[08:46] <welshbyte> s/group/team
[08:46] <maxamillion> welshbyte: yeah
[08:47] <superm1> it appears that seahorse automatically pulls up a keyring dialog for some apps, but not debuild -S.  is there some magic necessary for it?
[08:47] <DktrKranz> superm1, are you sure?
[08:48] <maxamillion> well thanks to all, i have some reading to get done around the wiki and i'm sure i will be back
[08:48] <DktrKranz> i use it, no seahorse but i'm able to sign packages
[08:48] <superm1> 1024-bit DSA key, ID 80DF6D58, created 2006-10-13
[08:48] <superm1> gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use
[08:48] <superm1> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[08:48] <superm1> debuild: fatal error at line 1155:
[08:48] <superm1> running debsign failed
[08:48] <superm1> but with falcon it works fine
[08:48] <DktrKranz> anyway, i looked at BTS
[08:48] <DktrKranz> and there's a workaround
[08:48] <DktrKranz> wait just a second...
[08:48] <superm1> sigining works fine without seahorse
[08:48] <superm1> eg if kill the agent
[08:49] <geser> afaik that's a known problem
[08:49] <superm1> geser, is there a workaround to disable it for debuild then, and still allow it in other apps?
[08:50] <DktrKranz> superm1, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322208
[08:50] <ubotu> Debian bug 322208 in seahorse "seahorse-agent: fails to be accessed from debuild" [Important,Open]
[08:50] <superm1> DktrKranz, thanks
[08:50] <DktrKranz> it is told to set an evironment variable
[08:51] <DktrKranz> but it can lead to some troubles...
[08:51] <DktrKranz> so, be careful
[08:51] <geser> superm1: I don't know, I don't use seahorse but it works with gnupg-agent
[08:51] <DktrKranz> in such bug developers suggest to fix seahorse
[08:52] <DktrKranz> i didn't check it in feisty
[08:54] <superm1> DktrKranz, it appears that DEBUILD_PRESERVE_ENVVARS does work to fix it
[08:54] <superm1> i just tried
[08:54] <DktrKranz> yep, i tried some times ago
[08:54] <DktrKranz> but i'm worried about potential breakages
[08:55] <DktrKranz> so i disabled it and i'm using command line :)
[08:55] <superm1> well is there much breakage that can be expected from having a DISPLAY variable set though in a build env
[08:55] <DktrKranz> debsign is a friend of mine :)
[08:56] <DktrKranz> anyway, let's see if we can do something with seahorse
[08:56] <DktrKranz> i think the issue can be solved only there
[08:56] <geser> I usually use -uc -us when building a source package and only sign it before uploading
[08:58] <DktrKranz> mh
[08:58] <DktrKranz> nice
[08:58] <DktrKranz> so, you will be using debsign later on
[08:59] <DktrKranz> anyway is's somewhat curious
[08:59] <DktrKranz> debsign works perfectly
[09:01] <DktrKranz> superm1, see also bug #78165
[09:01] <ubotu> Malone bug 78165 in devscripts "debuild fails to use seahorse-agent" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78165
[09:01] <geser> yes, I use debsign later. It has the advantage that I don't upload broken packages on mistake.
[09:02] <DktrKranz> well, didn't think about it :)
[09:02] <DktrKranz> anyway, it's not a problem for me ;)
[09:04] <superm1> geser, i think i like your method of signing before upload only too
[09:04] <superm1> geser, it is indeed cleaner then doing it this way with preserving DISPLAY
[09:04] <superm1> DktrKranz, thanks for the bug
[09:04] <DktrKranz> you're welcome
[09:04] <superm1> i'll subscribe to it and watch for more
[09:05] <DktrKranz> hope it'll be fixed soon
[09:09] <DktrKranz> i was working at bug #93741
[09:09] <ubotu> Malone bug 93741 in mtop "[can-not-install]  maintainer script failure" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93741
[09:09] <DktrKranz> there are similar bugs
[09:09] <DktrKranz> i found a patch along the way
[09:09] <DktrKranz> which could solve them
[09:09] <DktrKranz> could you please double-check it?
[09:11] <DktrKranz> superm1, oh it was *your* patch :)
[09:17] <superm1> DktrKranz,  :)
[09:17] <DktrKranz> nice work!
[09:17] <DktrKranz> i modified it just a little bit
[09:18] <superm1> glad it worked for you
[09:18] <DktrKranz> but it worked perfectly
[09:18] <DktrKranz> i added a function in order to work
[09:18] <DktrKranz> but your idea is good
[09:19] <superm1> from what i remember, firefox poking up a notification about needing to be restarted turned on the lightbulb in my mind
[09:19] <DktrKranz> that's it
[09:20] <DktrKranz> it took me a little bit to complete
[09:21] <DktrKranz> i didn't figure to use a function
[09:30] <Adri2000> superm1: how can you use you @ubuntu address as preferred address in LP? I thought that the preferred address was used to redirect the emails from the @ubuntu one
[09:30] <superm1> which you would think makes an infinite loop pointing to my gmail one, but it works somehow :)
[09:30] <DktrKranz> Adri2000, i thought so, but it worked :)
[09:31] <superm1> probably when you "become" an ubuntu member, they take your primary at the time
[09:31] <superm1> but dont update after that
[09:31] <lionel> I read once it was updated by a cron weekly or something like that
[09:32] <lionel> so the loop can take some time to occur...
[09:32] <Adri2000> :s
[09:33] <superm1> lionel, i've had mine like that since two weeks after i became an ubuntu member
[09:33] <pochu> hasn't happened here using it for a month
[09:33] <superm1> lionel, so maybe i'm just lucky :)
[09:33] <superm1> lionel, that was last year in september
[09:33] <lionel> oh, good news so :)
[09:34] <DktrKranz> yes, me too, it worked quite soon
[09:35] <imbrandon> ugh wtf
[09:38] <superm1> imbrandon, what happened?
[09:39] <imbrandon> just my damn wireless crap, no biggie
[09:39] <imbrandon> fixing now
[09:53] <so1> hi
[09:54] <so1> does someone know if firefox <IP_ADDRESS> will be shipped with feisty?
[09:54] <pochu> so1: we already have <IP_ADDRESS> in feisty
[09:54] <pochu> hmm, it's being built
[09:55] <so1> weird, I only see <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:55] <pochu> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:<IP_ADDRESS>) Gecko/20061201 Firefox/<IP_ADDRESS> (Ubuntu-feisty)
[09:56] <pochu> so1: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox <--- <IP_ADDRESS> already published
[10:09] <so1> ok
[10:09] <so1> someone know if kile is fixed?
[10:09] <so1> failed to build on all platforms on feisty ...
[10:10] <sacater> :D
[10:18] <bmm> I'm new to packaging and have a problem: the install Makefile does everything right, and copies into $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin a binary. If I put an exit 1 there, it will be all there. However, later on in the package build, these files are removed again. What could be going wrong here?
[10:19] <bmm> (The only files remeaning are the manuals, the /usr/bin and /usr/lib are removed from the $(DESTDIR)
[10:20] <bmm> (my debian/dirs file has been removed, because I read in the manual it isn't needed if the Makefile already creates these directories)
[10:32] <bmm> what could be removing files after the upstream install script has put them in the DESTDIR?
[10:33] <Hobbsee> which files?
[10:33] <bmm> Hobbsee: files placed in the debian/iolanguage/usr/bin/ directory
[10:33] <bmm> It's not dh_clean, I checked that already.
[10:34] <Hobbsee> not sure - i think we' d have to see the source
[10:34] <bmm> Well, the first part of the "broken" package is now in http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4585
[10:35] <bmm> Do you want the full source, or should I paste-bin a few parts of the files?
[10:36] <Hobbsee> um, i'm in a meeting, and really tired
[10:36] <Hobbsee> not sure i'm able to help you, sorry :(
[10:36] <bmm> NP, I understand
[10:36] <bmm> Good luck
[10:41] <bmm> Ah, dh_clean removes them
[10:41] <bmm> found the problem, thought it wasn't dh_clean but it turned out to be in a later state of the rules....
[10:41] <bmm> Still not sure how to resolve it, but I'm still working on it ;-)
[10:42] <ajmitch> morning
[10:42] <bmm> hehe, evening here, but good morning to you
[10:42] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[10:43] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you're up early (or late)
[10:43] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: early, yes
[10:43] <ajmitch> scary
[10:43] <ajmitch> that's unnatural
[10:43] <Hobbsee> i know
[10:44] <Hobbsee> particularly as i went to work last night
[10:44] <ajmitch> hm
[10:44] <ajmitch> why are you up so early then?
[10:44] <ajmitch> you could spend an extra few minutes sleeping rather than on irc
[10:45] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: adhoc meeting for UDS
[10:45] <ajmitch> oh interesting
[10:45] <ajmitch> kubuntu stuff?
[10:45] <ajmitch> win 27
[10:45] <Hobbsee> yeah
[10:45] <Hobbsee> and travel, etc
[10:45] <ajmitch> fun
[10:49] <geser> no agenda yet for the next motu meeting?
[10:49] <ajmitch> no, I guess someone should write one
[10:50] <ajmitch> ugh, it's tonight, isn't it
[10:50] <geser> Mar 27rd, 8:00 UTC
[10:51] <ajmitch> yes, so 8pm for me
[10:51] <ajmitch> not too late, I'm glad
[10:53] <Adri2000> 10am for me, will be at school :-(
[10:55] <pochu> you will love the school once you have to work :p
[10:55] <sacater> pochu: but thats the beauty of not being at school, you dont have to LEARN anything
[10:56] <pochu> sacater: you have, believe me
[10:56] <sacater> id love ubuntu as a job
[10:56] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[10:59] <pochu> hi TheMuso!
[11:00] <pochu> hi slomo
[11:00] <pochu> slomo: 1.2.9 up and running :)
[11:00] <pochu> and I've already found a bug :-)
[11:00] <bmm> Ok, probably solved my whole "files dissapearing" problem. Was dh_clean in the end.
[11:01] <slomo> pochu: oh?
[11:28] <welshbyte> hm, i think kile needs to be built with an older gcc, no idea how to do that
[11:30] <shawarma> welshbyte: "Older" as in gcc 3.4?
[11:30] <welshbyte> yes
[11:30] <bddebian> welshbyte: gcc=gcc-3.x or whatever
[11:30] <bddebian> err CC=
[11:30] <shawarma> welshbyte: Just set CC to gcc-3.4 in the makefile and add gcc-3.4 as a build-dep.
[11:31] <bddebian> Or fix it to make it work with 4.1 ;-P
[11:31] <shawarma> Er.. kile is a KDE-thing?
[11:31] <shawarma> welshbyte: Set CXX=g++-3.4 too
[11:31] <welshbyte> yeah, it's a latex editor thingy that's currently ftbfs for everything
[11:32] <shawarma> Ok. Then the g++ is probably sufficient.
[11:35] <welshbyte> when you say "the makefile" do you mean debian/rules (which is using cdbs) or patch one of Makefile.{am,in} ? :/
[11:36] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:36] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty
[11:36] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[11:37] <sistpoty> @everyone: reminder: motu-meeting tomorrow
[11:37] <ajmitch> s/tomorrow/tonight/ for me
[11:37] <ajmitch> got anything interesting for the agenda?
[11:38] <sistpoty> till now the agenda is empty :/
[11:38] <ajmitch> yeah, that's why I'm hoping you have something ;)
[11:38] <ajmitch> otherwise it'll be anice short meeting & I can sleep early
[11:38] <sistpoty> hm... I'd like to discuss the MC charter, but I was too lazy to update it with changes from last MC meeting until now :(
[11:39] <ajmitch> update it now
[11:39] <ajmitch> thanks :)
[11:44] <enyc> bah! sru update with 3 'wrorksforme' -- got a procedure to complete......
[11:44] <enyc> (78005)
[11:44] <ajmitch> bug 78005
[11:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 78005 in qpsmtpd "[SRU]  request: dapper:qpsmtpd fix for bug #72602" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78005
[11:45] <enyc> this is a problem as there are not many users of the package ;-)
[11:45] <sistpoty> enyc: 3 works for me is (with the new sru policy) even one more than needed ;)
[11:45] <enyc> i coul d spend rathor a lot of time asking people to test for me... etc... similar SRU in same state for edgy already..
[11:46] <enyc> sistpoty: oh? whats the new policy?
[11:46] <enyc> sistpoty: I think that an exact set value may not work for all cases
[11:46] <enyc> sistpoty: like this one... simple fix to little used but annoying-bug problem...
[11:47] <enyc> sistpoty: im sure with some more complex fixes some real testing-exposure is really rather important...
[11:47] <sistpoty> enyc: it's basically any motu can just upload to -proposed, and until a package can go to -updates it needs 2 works for me and needs to have been longer than 7 days in -proposed
[11:47] <sistpoty> (this also means no more motu-sru team, and less work for me :)
[11:48] <enyc> sistpoty: whats the dangers of this change?
[11:49] <sistpoty> enyc: the danger (as always) is that we could get broken updates... however the old policy resulted in almost all updates being stuck in -proposed, so I guess some risk for a broken update is better than no update at all
[11:50] <enyc> sistpoty: i see
[11:50] <lupine_85> woot, and stuff
[11:56] <Monk-e> sistpoty, are you still accepting members for the Games team?
[11:56] <sistpoty> Monk-e: did you write that mail to the motu-ml?
[11:56] <Monk-e> sistpoty, yes.
[11:56] <sistpoty> Monk-e: sorry that I didn't respond yet :(
[11:57] <Monk-e> It's ok. :)
[11:57] <sistpoty> Monk-e: currently the motu games team is pretty much dead, and all members that were active are doing their packaging in the debian-games team now
[11:57] <Monk-e> I see.. how come?
[11:58] <sistpoty> well, /me was busy with other things, and thus had no more time for motu-games
[11:58] <enyc> sistpoty: anyway 78005 77485 con now be poked under the new policy ??
[11:58] <sistpoty> enyc: all motu sru-bugs fall under the new policy now ;)
[11:58] <Monk-e> Ah ok. Too bad...
[11:58] <enyc> sistpoty: right... so do these need poking.. or will they all now be seen to ?
[11:59] <bmm> Should the changelog contain "feisty; ugency=low" or "unstable; urgency=low" when creating a new package for revu?
[11:59] <sistpoty> Monk-e: so basically, I won't say no to accepting you into motu-games, but it's just that it's not an active team atm :(
[11:59] <sistpoty> Monk-e: maybe you'd like to reactivate it though?
[11:59] <sistpoty> bmm: feisty please
[12:00] <Monk-e> sistpoty, sure. But not for a while as I'm going to be quite busy myself the next few months.
[12:01] <sistpoty> enyc: please subscribe ubuntu-universe sponsors or ping some motus here to upload these ;)
[12:01] <bmm> sistpoty: thanks!
[12:03] <enyc> sistpoty: im trying to work out who is subscribed at the moment!
[12:03] <Monk-e> sistpoty, but thanks. Can I then contact you about it when I have more free time?
[12:03] <sistpoty> Monk-e: sure, either me or siretart
[12:03] <Monk-e> Alright, thanks!
[12:03] <sistpoty> you're welcome
[12:04] <sistpoty> enyc: left side of the bug page, 3rd portlet from the top...
[12:09] <enyc> sistpoty: what does it say?
[12:10] <sistpoty> enyc: bug #77485 is: subsribers are Kai, motu-sru, ScottK, you. And indirectly (I guess via bug contact) ubuntu bugs is subscribed
[12:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 77485 in qpsmtpd "[SRU]  request: edgy:qpsmtpd fix for bug #72602" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77485


[00:13] <hggdh> bdmurray, I will also move on with the pidgin piece
[00:13] <bdmurray> hggdh: great, thanks for doing that.  I didn't want your work to be forgotten if yo uwill
[00:15] <hggdh> bdmurray, np
[01:53] <micahg1> ping hggdh
[01:54] <micahg> or ping bdmurray
[01:55]  * BUGabundo likes the 'or'
[02:17] <hggdh> micahg, pong
[02:17] <micahg> hi
[02:17] <micahg> got some weird one
[02:17] <micahg> bug 387822
[02:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 387822 in firefox-3.0 "Clicking on Firefox address bar doesn't select all text" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387822
[02:17] <micahg> here's what I wrote
[02:17] <micahg> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/202496/
[02:18] <micahg> wasn't sure if it was overboard
[02:18] <hggdh> looking at it now
[02:19] <BUGabundo> looks okay
[02:19] <BUGabundo> a bit too techy
[02:19] <hggdh> its OK, micahg
[02:19] <micahg> even my line about windows on linux ?:)
[02:20] <hggdh> but this can be documented for these users
[02:20] <hggdh> yes
[02:20] <micahg> what?
[02:21] <micahg> the reporter mentioned the workaround
[02:22] <hggdh> yes, if users want
[02:22] <hggdh> it
[02:22] <hggdh> but -- as far as I can see -- good work
[02:24] <micahg> Where should it be documented?
[02:25] <hggdh> micahg, the point I was trying to make (and, at the same time, looking for my dogs) is that this could be made clearer somewhere
[02:25] <hggdh> now, *where*... beats me
[02:25] <micahg> hggdh: already in teh manual/tips http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Browsing+basics?style_mode=inproduct#Navigating_to_another_page
[02:26] <hggdh> heh. I agree. Already where it should be :-)
[02:58]  * BUGabundo $ bed ; echo command not found. please try apt-get install sleepdisorder
[03:18] <e-jat> bug 391212
[03:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 391212 in configglue "Error installing python-configglue v. 0.2dev-0ubuntu1 on Python 2.4" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/391212
[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[07:23] <thekorn> good morning
[09:05] <MTecknology> mvo: you around?
[09:07] <MTecknology> mvo: You may want to look at a bug. It probably deserves Invalid. The reporter won't be giving you any further data that you can use and what they did give youe didn't help. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/354008
[09:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 354008 in update-manager "update manager did not complete; system was trashed between 8.10 and 9.04" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[09:08] <mvo> MTecknology: thanks, I have a look
[09:08] <maxb_> Hi, the ABI 10 kernel seems to have changed the name with which my synaptics touchpad is reported, causing hal to not know that it's a touchpad. Bug on hal, or bug on linux for spurious name change? :-)
[09:09] <mvo> MTecknology: yeah, without the logs the report is not useful unfortunatly
[09:09] <MTecknology> mvo: I saw you take over it and ignored it from there, but I'm going through any bugs in my list and trying to clean them out.
[09:10] <mvo> MTecknology: feel free to close it now, I'm happy to help with further questions on other reports
[09:14] <MTecknology> all done
[09:15] <mvo> thanks!
[09:15] <MTecknology> mvo: 242 active bugs....
[09:15] <MTecknology> ouch
[09:15] <mvo> yeah :(
[09:15] <MTecknology> what bugs do you work on primarily?
[09:15] <mvo> I need to trim down this list
[09:16] <mvo> mostly around update-manager/apt/synaptic
[09:19] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/busybox/+bug/278434
[09:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 278434 in busybox "Busy Box 1.10.2 error while installing Ibex beta version" [Undecided,New]
[09:19] <dupondje> what do I need to do with this kind of bugs ?
[09:20] <dupondje> set to Invalid or ? cause Ibex Beta ... no need to keep the bug there imo ?
[09:30] <maxb> Which package should get "KMS breaks usplash" bugs?
[09:30] <maxb> and ditto "KMS breaks desktop brighness applet" bugs?
[16:37]  * BUGabundo export car; do wash && clean; done; eat; sleep
[16:41] <Lavir> Hi everybody! Please tell where should I file the bug? Or how to make Ubuntu to ask "Document is unsaved. Save?" when I select "reboot".
[16:42] <Lavir> Oh. Sorry. The first question is already answered. :-[
[16:43] <hggdh> Lavir, so what is your question?
[16:43] <Lavir> How to make Ubuntu to ask "Document is unsaved. Save?" when I select "reboot"?
[16:44] <hggdh> what programme? How do you select 'reboot'? ;-)
[16:45] <Lavir> Sorry, I have Linux Mint... But it is based on the latest version of Ubuntu. I open GEdit, type something and then reboot through Gnome menu. GEdit does not ask me to save my work.
[16:47] <hggdh> Lavir, this *does* sound like a sensible request. Since you are running Linux Mint, I *think* -- and I am not sure, since I do not deal with Mint -- that you should open a bug against it on Mint; Mint triagers will forward the bug to us
[16:47] <hggdh> if they agree this should be looked at.
[16:47] <greg-g> Lavir: that is because the system just tells gedit to "close now or else!" which doesn't give it the opportunity to ask for your input. However, I see how that would be useful, the implementation side is a bit complicated/hairy most likely. I think a blueprint might be in order here.
[16:47] <hggdh> greg-g, +1
[16:48] <hggdh> this really should be an option: reboot now, or reboot with saves
[16:48] <hggdh> potential impacts abound, though
[16:51] <Lavir> OK. Could you please test this in Ubuntu? Just right now?
[16:51] <Lavir> Just to get a confirmation.
[16:52] <hggdh> will do. Hang on, I will flip off/on (but I think I know what will happen)
[16:53] <hggdh> Lavir, I was gladly surprised when I *tried* to logout (*NOT* reboot): Gnome asked me to save the file
[16:54] <charlie-tca> Actually, Xubuntu with gedit will hang and wait for you to find the document. Is Mint the same?
[16:54] <hggdh> and I got an option to Lock screen/Cancel/Logout anyway
[16:54] <hggdh> charlie-tca, with logout or reboot?
[16:54] <charlie-tca> reboot
[16:55] <hggdh> interesting. Will test mine, never had this scenario before
[16:55] <charlie-tca> I have to look in each workspace to find what it wants me to do
[16:55] <hggdh> brb
[16:55] <Lavir> Gnome-based Mint's GEdit does not ask anything when rebooting.
[16:55] <charlie-tca> I think it is reported on launchpad, too
[16:56] <hggdh> OK. Karmic will also hang on the reboot command waiting for user input
[16:57] <hggdh> Lavir, I am running Ubuntu+1; Mint is probably Jaunty-based, or older
[16:57] <Lavir> Jaunty-based.
[16:58] <hggdh> which means: either this was implemented on Karmic, or Mint is missing something
[16:58] <Lavir> Khmmm, I'll try to check father's computer, he has the latest updates.
[16:58] <charlie-tca> Mine does it in both jaunty and karmic
[16:59] <hggdh> the plot thickens, and points to Mint ;-)
[16:59] <charlie-tca> drives me nuts! I have 10 workspaces to look at when it hangs
[16:59] <hggdh> :-)
[17:00] <hggdh> yes, I was wondering about the possible impacts...
[17:01] <Lavir> Cancel. Mint with latest updates does like hggdh wrote: showing "Save?" dialog and that "Lock/etc" popup.
[17:01] <hggdh> Lavir, welcome to the triager's world ;-)
[17:03] <Lavir> Thank you all guys for the test!
[17:04] <hggdh> welcome
[19:26] <shadeslayer> hey guys i want to help with triaging for the next 4 weeks,im reading the wiki and will start in about 2-3 hours....can i come here for sagely advice?
[19:28] <bencrisford> shadeslayer: Uh huh :)
[19:28] <bencrisford> course you can :D
[19:29] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:29] <shadeslayer> ive filed a few paperkuts my self :P
[19:32] <BUGabundo> I haven't even had the time to look at most that have been marked :/
[19:32] <BUGabundo> shame on me
[19:33] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo: hehe... ive filed one regarding the accessibility of the IRC :)
[19:34] <shadeslayer> wow...this is a _huge_ wiki :)
[23:24] <bcurtiswx> good afternoon all
[23:27] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: more like 23.30
[23:27] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo: ok ok, its 16:30 HERE
[23:27] <dupondje> 00:30 here ;)
[23:28] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: shiu. don't yell
[23:28] <bcurtiswx> well i guess i will go with good morning/afternoon/evening/night ?
[23:29] <bcurtiswx> im happy that empathy has irc chatroom userlists now
[23:29] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: ^^
[23:54] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, hum. OK, I will bite once more ;-)
[23:54] <hggdh> brb
[23:54] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: cool :-), ok
[23:58] <hggdh> hum. bcurtiswx, yes, the user list is here. But it takes a lot of space
[23:59] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: you can shrink it'
[23:59] <hggdh> vertically?
[23:59] <hggdh> one id, two empty lines, another id, etc
[23:59] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: ah you don't like all the whitespace?
[23:59] <hggdh> nope


[01:17] <KGIII> Is someone upgrading/working on discourse?
[01:20] <kc2bez[m]> It isn't responding here either.
[01:21] <kc2bez[m]> I will make a @teward001 ticket.
[01:28] <KGIII> It hasn't been responding for a while. I tried alternative connections and different browsers before saying anything.
[01:30] <kc2bez[m]> Same here, tried from a couple of different devices, even looked here: status.lubuntu.me  I have a ticket in.
[01:32] <kc2bez[m]> Thomas is fixing an update issue.
 you can blame it dying mid update and me having an internet outage.
 should be back
[01:35] <kc2bez[m]> \o/
[01:35] <kc2bez[m]> can confirm
[01:41] <KGIII> Yup. It's working. Thanks.
[06:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] jobgenerator just failed after succeeding: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/jobgenerator/865/
 Hi!
 First of all, I would like to thank you for being tireless in the development of Lubuntu.
 Second, a question about the Lubuntu symbol: I think it would be good if Lubuntu had its own icon. To better publicize the distro, to put on the logo, set as a menu icon, etc. If we want to show someone the Ubuntu icon, it's easy (the famous icon with three people joined together, holding hands). If we want to show the Lubuntu icon ... it's hard to believe, but it just doesn't exist! Lubuntu has used the LXQt icon, it is ok, bu
 All the best for you and the entire Lubuntu community!
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/fea5022f/file_1830.jpg
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/659a354a/file_1831.jpg
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/9c0e4882/lubuntu_logo_silluete_in_blue_png.zip
 Or it could be an altered variation of this
[19:14] <wxl> @JyotiGomes good to hear from you! i wish we had some designers on the team but we really don't. that said, a new logo would be great. maybe a blue ubuntu logo with a hummingbird in the middle would be cool
 who can hook it up with the codi access /
 temporary holding the "building a marketing team" interest post on my codi/hedgeDoc for now.
 But want to keep assets on lubuntu infrastructure
[19:50] <kc2bez[m]> I can create a ticket for our sysadmin, I just need an email address. You can shoot it to me in a PM if you want.
[19:50] <wxl> give @teward001 an email and he can set you up
[19:54] <Profetik777> okay done. thx
[20:01] <kc2bez[m]> Should be coming your way soon. Look for messages from @teward001
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[23:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLIBLXQTPACKAGING049c1e4c30cd: Merge branch 'ci/stable' into ci/unstable] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLIBLXQTPACKAGING049c1e4c30cd