[01:47] <x359058> hey, anyone live near one of the natural disasters taking place in America right now?
[16:34] <mneptok> x359058: most of us in NM do.
[16:45] <x359058> mneptok, there is an uncommonly high number of no-fly zones in the U.S. right now.  afaict there are normally 5 per year but 50+ have been declared in June alone
[16:46] <x359058> List of no-fly zones (FAA.GOV)
[16:46] <x359058> http://tfr.faa.gov/tfr2/list.html
[16:51] <mneptok> yeah, the "HAZARDS" column is filling rapidly.
[16:52] <x359058> I have to go, but can people start monitoring those areas for contradictions?
[16:52] <mneptok> mostly with fires the NO-FLY is because of decreased visibility and increased traffic congestion with fire-fighting aircraft
[16:52] <x359058> the NOTAMs indicate the reason that the airspace is closed, so can you watch for activity (or lack thereof) that contradicts that stated reason?
[16:52] <x359058> and document things with pictures and video
[16:52] <mneptok> x359058: unless you're paying me ... no ;)
[16:53] <x359058> you'll be paid by helping to detect or prevent the causes of nuclear disaster
[16:53]  * mneptok has a full-time job, a wife, and other hobbies :)
[16:53] <x359058> most of those locations are near precarious nuclear facilities
[16:53] <mneptok> x359058: what nuclear disaster?
[16:53] <x359058> in NM, Los Alamos National Laboratory stores a lot of Plutonium and other radioactive materials
[16:54] <mneptok> before becoming alarmist, i would suggest you read statements issued by LANL and the Los Alamos and NM fire authorities.
[16:54] <mneptok> x359058: do you know where that plutonium is stored?
[16:54] <x359058> they evacuated all of the employees.  Does that sound like it's not a problem?
[16:54] <x359058> the plutonium is stored in fabric-covered bunkers outdoors
[16:54] <mneptok> underground. in barrels designed to withstand incredible forces (e.g. direct chemical detonation).
[16:54] <x359058> well I hope so
[16:55] <mneptok> unless the soil starts burning, and it won't, there is not a alot of cause for alarm
[16:55] <mneptok> *a lot
[16:55] <x359058> anyway there is depleted uranium waste and other testing byproducts on the land near the facility
[16:55] <x359058> that could be engulfed by the forest fires
[16:55] <mneptok> x359058: they also evacuated the entiore city of Los Alamos. not just employees of LANL.
[16:56] <x359058> ok, then it's entirely in their hands at this point
[16:56] <x359058> nothing we can do at all unless someone is feeling adventurous and knows how to do guerilla firefighting
[16:56] <mneptok> read this - http://www.boingboing.net/2011/06/28/new-mexico-fire-thre.html#comment-1150816
[16:56] <x359058> anyway we can watch the airspace for contradictions right?
[16:56] <mneptok> you'll sleep better :)
[16:59] <x359058> how much money do you want to take some pictures and video of fire fighting operations there?
[16:59] <x359058> it can be from a safe distance
[16:59] <x359058> maybe use a camera connected to a telescope
[16:59] <mneptok> i can't. they have closed the area to prevent exactly such things. people go into fires to take pictures, and come out in body bags.
[17:00] <x359058> not asking about that.  I'm mainly interested in the air operations
[17:00] <x359058> how the closed airspace is being used
[17:00] <mneptok> but LANL knows the imprtance of keeping spot fires off lab grounds. so do the fire fighters. there is a large group of extremely otivated people that will not allow a fire on lab grounds to spread.
[17:01] <mneptok> the closed space is being used by plane and helo tankers, helo spotters, etc
[17:02] <mneptok> a light aircraft flying in that airspace is a needless danger to fire-fighting operations, and a mid-air collision would result in *another* fire starting at the points of impact
[17:02] <x359058> is it being used as thoroughly as one would expect?  Do you know of citizens who wanted to volunteer their time and resources to help fight the fires?
[17:02] <x359058> this happened in the Gulf oil spill as well.  Some citizens tried to volunteer but they were denied unless they went through official channels
[17:04] <mneptok> Santa Fe is hiring fire fighters - http://www.santafenm.gov/jobs.aspx
[17:04] <x359058> some speculate that it was because the hazards of Corexit spraying required signing a legal waiver.  Others speculated that it was intentional denial of citizen involvement so that government agencies could make the big decisions like whether to spray Corexit or not and could take complete credit for the cleanup operations
[17:05] <x359058> Trevor Paglen has done limit-telephotography of secret locations in the U.S. http://www.paglen.com/pages/projects.htm
[17:05] <mneptok> if NM authorities let you as a volunteer cross evacuation lines, they have given their tacit approval for your "help." if you die in the fire, your heirs would have legal recourse to file suit against the state and municipality
[17:06] <x359058> mneptok, good to know that there are legal walls in addition to the walls in peoples' minds that are preventing people from volunteering to solve these problems
[17:07] <x359058> there are small and safe ways to volunteer - it doesn't have to involve direct fire fighting
[17:07] <mneptok> x359058: there are fire-fighting professionals. they train to do what they do. thinking that some software geek can grab a hose and do as good a job as trained professionals diminishes the training and professionalism of the pros.
[17:08] <mneptok> people have been asked to open their homes. to donate food. to donate water and other supplies.
[17:08] <x359058> I'm not talking about grabbing a hose.  I'm talking about other types of support such as logistics, communication, research, journalism
[17:08] <mneptok> and people are responding.
[17:08] <x359058> research about the root causes of the wildfires.  Are they burning quicker than people expect?
[17:09] <x359058> some articles I was reading quoted a senator that the fires burned as much in 14 hours as they used to in several days
[17:09] <mneptok> no, they are burning at the rate you would expect from an area that has had no measurable rainfall and 90F+ tempsfor more than a month
[17:09] <x359058> and why has it had no measurable rainfall?  we can research that, I think
[17:10] <mneptok> i'm going to go with "because it hasn't rained"
[17:10] <mneptok> but if you want to blame black helicopters and the NSA for a lack of precipitation, i won't try and stop you ;)
[17:11] <x359058> there are 2 main hypotheses afaict: 1. increased ambient air temperatures due to global climate change, 2. weather modification
[17:11] <x359058> I have to go, but thanks for talking
[17:11] <x359058> I'll be back in a few hours.  Talk to you then
[17:11] <mneptok> np np


[02:16] <DanRabbit> mac_v: I have no idea what it's for :D
[03:28] <mac_v> DanRabbit: hmm... i also noticed a *lot* of the icons have changed ;)
[03:28] <DanRabbit> For example?
[03:29] <mac_v> all the panel icons
[03:29] <DanRabbit> oh yes :D
[03:29] <DanRabbit> Like them?
[03:30] <mac_v> hmm... i havent tested them out , i just noticed the changes and was a kinda knee jerk reaction
[03:30] <DanRabbit> It's something David's been trying to get me to do FOREVER
[03:31] <mac_v> i realized that ;)
[03:32] <GreySim> How can I see the icons you mean? Are these the ones I could obtain from 'bzr branch lp:humanity' (IIRC?)?
[03:33] <DanRabbit> yep
[03:34] <mac_v> DanRabbit: just one concern , i see a lot of changes , but is it confirmed that Humanity *is* the theme for karmic?
[03:34] <DanRabbit> mac_v: no it's not confirmed
[03:34] <mac_v> David mentioned on a bug that it hasnt been confirmed yet ,
[03:35] <mac_v> yeah
[03:35] <DanRabbit> I got an email from Neil Patel the other day, and it's going into UNR
[03:35] <mac_v> oh , nice :)
[03:35] <DanRabbit> yea, so that's very exciting :D
[03:35] <DanRabbit> but, I'll just keep working on it and we'll see what happens
[03:35] <DanRabbit> from what I hear, mark doesn't really like it :(
[03:35] <mac_v> meh
[03:38] <DanRabbit> I just read the other day that 10.4 was supposed to be experimenting with color options
[03:38] <DanRabbit> so I'm like
[03:38] <DanRabbit> ELEMENTARY
[03:38] <DanRabbit> but, i doubt it'll happen.
[03:38] <mac_v> i was actually kinda pissed, that they were making you redo all the icons when it wasnt confirmed or not even partly confirmed , but glad alteast the work is going to be in UNR
[03:38] <mac_v> elementary  , is blue right , so i guess not ;p
[03:39] <DanRabbit> Yea, well It's kind of the thing of, "Uh.. I'm not getting paid for this. So, you can have what I feel like doing on my spare time"
[03:39] <mac_v> exactly...
[03:39] <DanRabbit> I mean, don't get me wrong. I love doing this kind of thing. And I'm glad it's going to end up in UNR
[03:40] <DanRabbit> But, It'd be nicer if there was some monetary gain to be had :D
[03:41] <mac_v> sure , who wouldnt ;p
[03:41] <DanRabbit> I told David, "You know I could do a lot better if this was my job..."
[03:41] <DanRabbit> :D
[03:44] <mac_v> hmm... i just tested the theme , but IMO , the panel icons dont fit with the rest of the theme...
[03:44] <DanRabbit> So, right now I'm merging in an awesome hack this guy did on the nautilus sidebar for my elementary GTK theme: http://elementaryproject.freeforums.org/download/file.php?id=8
[03:45] <DanRabbit> But, talk about just way too much code... he duplicates the bgcolor so much like it's going to magically not be the color you just told it to be in the last line...
[03:45] <DanRabbit> I dunno, I thought it looked pretty slick :D
[03:45] <DanRabbit> I'm just worried those icons are going to show up in an app later...
[03:46] <DanRabbit> That's why I didn't really want to do it in the first place.
[03:46] <mac_v> DanRabbit: they *do* look slick , but feel different from the rest , maybe since i'v seen the old icons ;)
[03:47] <mac_v> how did that guy? hack nautilus? was it Marcus?
[03:47] <GreySim> DanRabbit: I noticed you and David both seem to use gnome-global-menu or whatever it's called...is there some kind of Firefox fix yet, or do you just ignore the lack of global menu for it?
[03:48] <DanRabbit> It's not a nautilus hack, it's on the GTK theme to make the handle not so huge :D
[03:48] <DanRabbit> Actually, that's a screenshot from someone else's desktop.
[03:48] <DanRabbit> I don't use globalmenu
[03:49] <GreySim> Ah.
[03:49] <DanRabbit> but, I also don't use Firefox, so I don't know if that bug would affect me..
[03:49] <mac_v> hehe..! i thought it was marcus , he was doing the edit for the window
[03:49]  * mac_v doesnt like global menu ;)
[03:49] <DanRabbit> I am using his nautilus with the toolbar/location bar in one :D
[03:50] <mac_v> DanRabbit: do you have the gtkrc file?
[03:51] <DanRabbit> of the theme I'm working on right now?
[03:51] <mac_v> yeah that theme from the screenshot
[03:51] <mac_v> for that*
[03:51] <DanRabbit> Yea, the one in his screenshot is a little silly
[03:51] <DanRabbit> overkill
[03:51] <DanRabbit> but, let me send you the one I'm doing now.
[03:51] <DanRabbit> I haven't finished taming it yet though :D
[03:52] <DanRabbit> http://www.elementary-project.com/abuse/eGTK_<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz
[03:53] <DanRabbit> watch out for weird hackish behavior :p
[03:53] <mac_v> ;) , i usually collect bits and pieces from other themes
[03:59] <mac_v> DanRabbit: looks nice , but the title bars font could be a *little* darker , would make viewing easier :)
[03:59] <DanRabbit> really?
[04:00] <DanRabbit> It's pretty dark already.
[04:00] <DanRabbit> unfocused is pretty light..
[04:00] <mac_v> hmm... let me get you a screenshot
[04:04] <mac_v> DanRabbit: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-3.png , notice the active and the inactive are very close , the inactive is fine as is , it would be better if the active was a bit darker
[04:05] <DanRabbit> Try a thicker font
[04:05] <DanRabbit> You can't really tell with that thin font :p
[04:05] <mac_v> hmm... ;p
[04:05] <DanRabbit> I think I'm going to try and do the whole window's bg color a little lighter for inactive as well..
[04:05] <mac_v> nice :)
[04:07] <DanRabbit> But first I have to fix this sidebar
[04:07] <DanRabbit> It's driving me crazy how much erroneous code is in here
[04:07] <mac_v> DanRabbit:  which line is the side bar?
[04:07] <mac_v> #
[04:08] <DanRabbit> starts at 295
[04:08] <DanRabbit> goes all the way down to right before the comment that says "Matches"
[04:11] <mac_v> what do you mean by erroneous code? twf doesnt show any error for the sidebar lines
[04:11] <DanRabbit> Lol, it's like I'm going through and just deleting line after line
[04:11] <DanRabbit> and doing so, doesn't make a single change.
[04:12] <mac_v> oh! yeah some themes have those lines which do nothing!
[04:13] <DanRabbit> yea
[04:13] <DanRabbit> It's silly
[04:13] <DanRabbit> so I'm going through and deleting all these lines
[04:16] <DanRabbit> YAY!!!
[04:16] <DanRabbit> I finally found the line that screwed up my location bar :D
[04:17] <mac_v> line# ?
[04:17] <DanRabbit> hold on
[04:17] <DanRabbit> well
[04:17] <DanRabbit> actually it's probably different in mine now..
[04:18] <DanRabbit> lemme see what it's called :D
[04:18] <DanRabbit> style "nautilus-toolbar"
[04:18] <DanRabbit> for me it's 379
[04:21] <DanRabbit> mac_v: if you can figure out how to make the whole sidebar (including the part that says "places") blue, let me know :D
[04:22] <mac_v> DanRabbit: yeah , thats exactly what i'm trying to do , but gtg now , will get back to you later about this :)
[04:22] <DanRabbit> sounds good
[04:22] <DanRabbit> bye
[04:22] <mac_v> bye
[05:42] <mrooney> I wonder if having papercutters subscribed to all papercut bug mail is useful
[05:42] <mrooney> For me at least it is a little overwhelming and actually makes it harder to pay attention to the bugs I am trying to work on
[05:47] <DanRabbit> mrooney: yea, it's good because you get to see everything, but my inbox is overflowing with bug reports and comments :(
[05:47] <bratsche> Hey guys.
[05:49] <mrooney> DanRabbit: yeah, I'd rather have that opt-in like you can already do from that project page
[05:50] <DanRabbit> mac_v: I have a MUCH more trimmed down version of that GTK theme now :)
[05:52] <mac_v> mrooney: its is difficult intitally , but over a period of time you realize who's comments matter and who's is a rant! so no need to even read the mail ;p
[05:52] <mac_v> DanRabbit: link?
[05:52] <DanRabbit> ah, I didn't know you were still here :)
[05:52] <DanRabbit> let me upload it
[05:53] <DanRabbit> http://www.elementary-project.com/abuse/eGTK_0.9.12.tar.gz
[05:54] <mac_v> DanRabbit: how come your versions regress?
[05:54] <mac_v> lol
[05:54] <DanRabbit> it shouldn't regress..
[05:54] <mac_v> previous was 9.13 , now 9.12  ;)
[05:54] <DanRabbit> really?
[05:54] <DanRabbit> no it was 9.10.13
[05:54] <DanRabbit> :D
[05:55] <mac_v> oops! ;)
[05:55] <DanRabbit> I did a lot of figuring out what didn't do anything :p
[05:57] <mac_v> DanRabbit: also you need to get adjust for vertical panels , i never figured that one out!
[05:59] <DanRabbit> Yea, I don't know how to do that :D
[06:05] <mac_v> DanRabbit: for the panel "Places" part , i dont think it is possible , it uses the window background color , so either we need to assign pixmaps or ...
[06:08] <DanRabbit> hmm
[06:08] <DanRabbit> I wonder if we can't single out that widget and assign a new bg color
[06:09] <DanRabbit> OOO, this theme looks hecka cool in blue :D
[06:14] <DanRabbit> mac_v: AH MY JESUS. I can't figure it out.
[06:14] <mac_v> the "places" ?
[06:15] <DanRabbit> yea
[06:15] <DanRabbit> it's making me want to smack a ho
[06:16] <mac_v> DanRabbit: my guess is it is not possible , check out New wave , almost every thing in new wave uses pixmaps , but the author[I think Anton] wasnt able to assign one for that
[06:17] <mac_v> it behaves like a toolbar , so that maybe the reason
[06:18] <mac_v> DanRabbit: but dont give up :) , i'v been trying to hack the sidebar for a long time !
[06:19] <mac_v> i hope you find it ;p
[06:26] <mac_v> mrooney|w: DanRabbit: regarding a papercut , check out the behavior of sticky notes , the resize area of the note does not trigger a pointer change on hover, the pointer changes to a resize one only after the resize icon is clicked! doesnt that feel weird?
[06:37] <mac_v> DanRabbit: ^?
[06:43] <GreySim> mac_v: If you're saying what I think you are, that may be a GTK bug in general, and an existing papercut which was from a bug I filed in 2008. >.>'
[06:43] <mac_v> GreySim: bug# pls
[06:44] <GreySim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgtk/+bug/282013
[06:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 282013 in hundredpapercuts "Resizing Nautilus window using drag handle, handle seems to be "lost" after first drag" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[06:46] <GreySim> It's a slippery bug.
[06:47] <mac_v> GreySim: that bug is truly slippery , now i have the correct behavior again!
[06:48] <mac_v> GreySim: but , thats a separate one , just open a sticky note , you notice that the right and let bottom corners have a resize icon , but the mouse hover will not cause a pointer change , while you have to click the icon for the pointer to change
[06:48] <GreySim> Ah. I heard "broken resize handle" and didn't actually process. Oops.
[06:50] <mac_v> GreySim: are you on karmic? can you test your bug now? it works correctly
[06:50] <mac_v> now
[06:50] <GreySim> I am not on Karmic.
[06:51] <mac_v> hmm... ok i'll comment on the bug report
[06:55] <DanRabbit> mac_v: I  meant that we could ask cimi about it
[06:55] <DanRabbit> and he would probably say "not possible"
[06:55] <DanRabbit> but then he would fix it later :D
[06:55] <DanRabbit> 'cause that's how cimi does
[07:04] <mac_v> ok
[07:05] <mac_v> DanRabbit: hmm...but i think you lost connection in between , i had asked about a papercut
[07:05] <DanRabbit> which one?
[07:05] <mac_v>  just open a sticky note , you notice that the right and let bottom corners have a resize icon , but the mouse hover will not cause a pointer change , while you have to click the icon for the pointer to change
[07:05] <mac_v> that feels weird  , is not consistent with the system
[07:06] <DanRabbit> is this for Tomboy?
[07:06] <mac_v> DanRabbit: not tomboy , select add to panel , then you'll notice sticky notes
[07:06] <DanRabbit> hold on
[07:07] <DanRabbit> yea, that's weird.
[07:07] <DanRabbit> brb
[07:07] <mac_v> sure , i'll file a bug
[23:46] <DanRabbit> mac_v: you're a freaking genius
[23:54] <mac_v> DanRabbit: huh? am i ? ;p
[23:54] <DanRabbit> Yep
[23:54] <DanRabbit> You solved it
[23:54] <DanRabbit> We need to set nautilus bg[NORMAL] to the blue color
[23:55] <DanRabbit> and that fixes the places
[23:55] <DanRabbit> BUT, then we have all this blue in places we don't want it
[23:55] <mac_v> ybut that would change everything else too ,
[23:55] <mac_v> so pixmaps?
[23:55] <DanRabbit> so, we go back and just overwrite everything
[23:55] <DanRabbit> nope
[23:55] <DanRabbit> I'm almost done
[23:55] <DanRabbit> I just have to fix the menubar
[23:55] <DanRabbit> I'll upload it and you can see
[23:55] <DanRabbit> :D
[23:56] <DanRabbit> so simple we missed it
[23:56] <mac_v> hehe , i didnt ;p
[23:56] <mac_v> or maybe i did  !
[23:57] <DanRabbit> hmm
[23:57] <DanRabbit> should be able to just get menubar with widget_class "*Nautilus*Menubar*" right?
[23:58] <mac_v> yep ,only menubar
[23:59] <mac_v> BTW ,by pixmaps i meant pixmaps for the rest other than the places


[05:35] <Drace> hello
[05:35] <kurrata> hi
[05:35] <wolter> hi
[05:35] <Drace> Alrighty
[05:35] <wolter> em Drace first of all, are you going to have just ubuntu, or windows as well?
[05:35] <Drace> Im trying to setup ubuntu so I can retrieve my files that were on windows
[05:36] <Drace> Windows failed on me...
[05:36] <wolter> oh, if you just want ubuntu for that, you don't have to install it./.
[05:36] <wolter> it is enough with the live cd
[05:36] <kurrata> Drace:  cant you just reinstal windows?
[05:36] <Drace> I need to keep some files...
[05:37] <Drace> I want a copy of Ubuntu anyways
[05:37] <kurrata> reinstaling wont delete your files just you /windows directory ;)
[05:37] <Drace> Well what it says is "All files will be lost"
[05:38] <Drace> "...in the user directioniry" something like that
[05:38] <wolter> Drace, well, but if you want ubuntu, let me show you how you will want to partition your drive.
[05:38] <Drace> Soo...?
[05:38] <Drace> Ok
[05:38] <wolter> so, how big is your disk?
[05:38] <Drace> 120 Gb =/
[05:39] <wolter> nice
[05:39] <Drace> I was hoping that by installing ubuntu Id have my windows files mounted automatically without going through the hassle of the terminal
[05:39] <wolter> ok, will you want to install windows later on?
[05:39] <wolter> if so, which windows?
[05:39] <Drace> XP home
[05:40] <wolter> ok
[05:42] <Drace> The main reason im trying to get Ubuntu right now is to retrieve my windows files
[05:42] <wolter> you will probably want an ubuntu partition of 10gb, a windows partition of 10gb also, and a massive other partition of 100gb
[05:42] <Drace> Ok
[05:43] <Drace> Although I dont think Ill need 10gb for Ubuntu
[05:43] <wolter> why not?
[05:44] <Drace> too much?
[05:44] <Drace> Its fine though
[05:44] <Drace> continue on
[05:46] <wolter> well, you can give it a little less, like 6, but i recommend 10gb
[05:46] <Drace> Ok
[05:46] <wolter> em, so, how much space had you occupied in windows?
[05:47] <Drace> Only like 5 Gb left...including the Ubuntu I have installed
[05:47] <Drace> which has a 10 gb partition
[05:47] <Drace> Which I should of mentioned this earlier (forgot about it)
[05:48] <Drace> My pc crashed and windows failed so I cant open up Ubuntu either.
[05:48] <Drace> My solution was to reinstall or use livecd to retrieve my windows files and reinstall windows
[06:19] <wolter> oh sorry!
[06:19] <wolter> i forgot i was talking to you
[06:19] <wolter> let me read Drace
[06:20] <wolter> Drace, are you still with me?
[21:35] <cprofitt> pleia2, ping


[13:49] <nuxninja> hey guys
[13:52] <nuxninja_> hi
[13:52] <k1l> hi
[13:55] <nuxninja> so wats this channel all bout
[13:55] <k1l> nuxninja: see /topic
[13:56] <k1l> so like the discussion about ubuntu becoming a RollingRelease Distribution or not
[13:56] <nuxninja> not working k1l
[13:56] <nuxninja> ok
[13:57] <k1l> you are not used to read topics?
[13:58] <nuxninja> i cant run the command /topic
[13:59] <k1l> strange irc client
[13:59] <nuxninja> error:     --- #ubuntu-discuss :You're not a channel operator
[13:59] <nuxninja> xchat for gnome
[14:00] <k1l> ah, the usual -gnome problem. no problem for the real xchat here
[14:00] <nuxninja> kool but 12.10 is xtremely buggered up ....unity is champ but other problems.........
[14:01] <k1l> im fine with 12.10. unity could be more speedy, but i think that relates to the vgs driver
[14:02] <nuxninja> ill be installing 12.04 back again....just cant work with 12.10


[04:10] <wawan> y.
[07:11] <Colin_> hello ? Um.. What does the message which printed on fastboot " get_partition_name() fail" when flashing system.img means ?
[07:15] <duflu> Colin_: Don't know. All I can tell is that it's an Android error message and not coming from any Ubuntu code. It's obviously caused by Ubuntu code mind you
[07:15] <duflu> Colin_: Which device?
[07:15] <Colin_> Meizu mx2
[07:15] <Colin_> Meizu Mx4
[07:15] <Colin_> sry
[07:17] <duflu> Colin_: The MX4 requires you to provide a recovery .img file on the command line of ubuntu-device-flash. Did you do that?
[07:17] <duflu> If not it will fail
[07:17] <Colin_> I tried , but I can't flash recovery partition >.<
[07:18] <Colin_> "partition 'recovery' not support flash"
[07:18] <duflu> Colin_: Yes, you will need to download this and pass it as the recovery image option: http://people.canonical.com/~alextu/tangxi/recovery/recovery.img
[07:19] <duflu> Flashing will fail otherwise. This extra step is only required on the Meizu and BQ phones.
[07:19] <duflu> Colin_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ChannelsToFlash
[07:20] <Colin_> thx for your help :D
[07:21] <duflu> No problem. I remember being stuck on the same problem
[11:05] <Colin_> hello?A qusetion: Does ubuntu touch can install on the phone by fastboot? I means command "fastboot flash system system.img" ? I tried to flash a "system.img" but it said "DOWNLOAD ERROR". I made that "system.img" with those steps (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Deploying#Deploying_your_own_full_images).
[12:57] <Colin_> um... Meizu customer service said "Mx4 ubuntu's recovery partition not support flash isn't abnormal"... Is that true?
[13:04] <ogra_> it supports flashing via ubuntu-device-flash
[13:05] <ogra_> (and only that)
[13:23] <Colin_> uh.... Neither fastboot & ubuntu-device-flash can flash recovery.img O.O why ? But I can flash both boot.img & system.img.
[13:27] <ogra_> Colin_, and you followed the instructions for recovery.img files with ubuntu-device-flash ?
[13:28] <Colin_> "--recovery-image recovery.img" ?
[13:28] <ogra_> and --bootstrap
[13:28] <ogra_> and also have the device in bootloader mode
[13:28] <Colin_> yes
[13:29] <Colin_> yeah...I did it in  bootloader mode....
[13:30] <ogra_> well, that should work i think
[13:30] <Colin_> Q.Q
[13:31] <Colin_> so Any other method to install ubuntu touch? Such as create a system.img and flash in?
[13:32] <ogra_> no, system..img sits as img file inside a partition, it isnt used like in android
[13:32] <anpok_> Colin_: it fails during flash?
[13:32] <Colin_> It can't start flash >.<
[13:32] <anpok_> as in usb connection lost..
[13:33] <Colin_> no... I can flash android...
[13:34] <ogra_> you are aware that the partitioning between android and ubuntu is completely different ?
[13:34] <ogra_> if you use some flash script for flashing android it might chnage the partitioning
[13:34] <Colin_> ogra: thx for your answer XD  I used to followed this article try to create a system.img (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Deploying#Deploying_your_own_full_images)
[13:34] <ogra_> you woulld have to use the meizu factory tool to get tthe ubuntu partition setup back
[13:34] <Colin_> O.O
[13:35] <ogra_> ubuntu-device-flash only uses the existing partitions, it doesnt do any raw writes
[13:35] <ogra_> (and it expects the partition scheme to be correct already)
[13:36] <Colin_> >.<
[13:36] <ogra_> (that way ubuntu can never break something like firmware or IMEI partitions of the device)
[13:37] <Colin_> thx for your answer XD
[13:38] <ogra_> but still, if your partitioning hasnt changed, ubuntu-device-flash should still work ... probably ondra has an idea here
[13:38]  * ogra_ hasnt flashed any phone in ages)
[13:39] <Colin_> um... A question: What does partition changed mean?
[13:39] <ondra> Colin_ what device?
[13:39] <Colin_> meizu mx4
[13:41] <mardy> renatu: hi! there's a little problem with your landing of account-plugins
[13:41] <mardy> renatu: we always do triple landings
[13:41] <Colin_> oh... I find something interesing.. When I flash Flyme Android (Globe version). The ubuntu's recovery still here. But after I flash Yun OS. The ubuntu's recovery was replaced by meizu's recovery O.O.
[13:42] <renatu> mardy, yes this silo is stuck: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1755
[13:44] <ondra> Colin_ if you flashed any android to the device, it's very likely you have changes partition table and when you want to flash back Ubuntu you will need to choose firmware upgrade in flasher
[13:45] <mardy> renatu: are you able to fix it?
[13:45] <Colin_> Thank you so much. :D
[13:45] <renatu> mardy, looks like it is blocked due the qt-base landing
[13:45] <dobey> mardy, renatu: what's the problem now?
[13:45] <mardy> renatu: AFAIU, it's because this landed in yakkety but not in xenial and vivid: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/account-plugins/0.13+16.10.20160804-0ubuntu1
[13:45] <mardy> dobey: ^
[13:45] <renatu> we need to wait for it
[13:46] <mardy> renatu: ok, it looks like we are talking of two different issues
[13:46] <dobey> how did something land in yakkety but not overlay?
[15:32] <ganeshi4u> ondra: the following repos aosp/platform/ prebuilts/maven_repo/android and aosp/platform/ prebuilts/gcc/linux-x86/host/x86_64-w64-mingw32-4.8 could not be found and shows error while syncing from phablet-5.1.1_r36 branch. I have cross checked the manifest with the one in your personal branch and the above repos are not present. Are these repos necessary or
[15:32] <ganeshi4u> should I just ignore them?
[15:41] <ondra> ganeshi4u yeah they are not needed
[15:41] <ondra> but I will add them
[15:45] <ondra> ganeshi4u OK updating those repos, they are not really needed though, not sure what is maven used for, but other one is cross compiler for x86_64bit which is platform we do not support at the moment anyway
[15:54] <ganeshi4u> ondra thanks, those repos are causing the sync to fail due to fetch errors. AFAIK maven is used to speed up the compilation of java files
[15:54] <ondra> ganeshi4u try now
[15:55] <ondra> ganeshi4u it should be updated now
[16:00] <ganeshi4u> ondra: right now I'm in middle of the sync. I'm afraid it'll get corrupted if I stop the sync, I'll report back when i start it once again later
[16:25] <ondra> ganeshi4u cool thanks
[17:04] <kaisoz> hi there!
[17:08] <kaisoz> hi there!
[17:10] <kaisoz> I recently got a bq aquaris e5 and installed ubuntu touch on it
[17:10] <kaisoz> I'm really loving it!
[17:10] <kaisoz> I would like to contribute to the project
[17:14] <kaisoz> I've been reading about the project and I see that basically it's Ubuntu with Android inside a container along with some core apps (Calendar, File Manager...) and some services (oFono, ...)
[17:14] <kaisoz> am I right?
[17:14] <ogra_> nope
[17:14] <kaisoz> :D
[17:15] <kaisoz> well, so I miss some info then
[17:15] <ogra_> the android container is only a bunch of drivers and a few services around them to make the HW work
[17:15] <ogra_> the ubuntu that is running is a full ubuntu
[17:16] <kaisoz> ahh ok, yeah, I understood that too, maybe my explanation was a bit vague
[17:16] <ogra_> but yeah, essentially you are right
[17:16] <kaisoz> ubuntu is reusing the Android drivers
[17:17] <ogra_> it has to
[17:17] <ogra_> (for most of the HW there are no alternatives ... and te drivers are linked against the bionic lib instead of libc ... which makes the container a requirement)
[17:18] <kaisoz> yeah sure, that's a clever idea
[17:18] <kaisoz> that's why libhybris is there right?
[17:18] <ogra_> (you could do it without container, but that would leave you with a giant mess of two mixed systems )
[17:19] <kaisoz> that would be a hell to mantain...
[17:19] <ogra_> yeah, hybris makes the ubuntu side talk to the bits in the container
[17:19] <kaisoz> great, so I got it
[17:19] <ogra_> well, it seems ot work for sailfish ... but they also dont have the requirement that you can turn the os into a normal desktop
[17:19] <kaisoz> I've been checking the components to see where I could help
[17:20] <ogra_> so we tried to keep the ubuntu side as clean as possible
[17:21] <kaisoz> sure, I also think is the best approach
[17:21] <kaisoz> I've seen the canonical system image
[17:21] <kaisoz> project
[17:22] <kaisoz> what's that for?
[17:22] <kaisoz> cause I've seen that there are projects for the core apps
[17:22] <kaisoz> projects for ofono and related
[17:22] <kaisoz> it looks like a general project or something like that
[17:22] <dobey> it's for tracking things
[17:24] <kaisoz> so people fill bugs there
[17:24] <kaisoz> and once there are triaged, they are linked to the proper project?
[17:25] <dobey> well, bugs on launchpad can "affect" multiple projects
[17:25] <dobey> the c-d-s-i project is basically how we track features and bugs in launchpad, that we want to target for certain OTAs and such
[17:26] <dobey> one can file a bug against it, sure, or the package or project which the issue is actually in
[17:26] <kaisoz> ahhh oka
[17:26] <kaisoz> so you group there the bugs/features to be completed for the next mileston
[17:26] <kaisoz> kind of a roadmap
[17:36] <kaisoz> so, are the projects listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Components the only ones Ubuntu-touch related?
[17:36] <kaisoz> is this list updated?
[17:37] <dobey> that is by no means an exhaustive list
[17:38] <dobey> and not entirely correct for everything there
[17:39] <kaisoz> yeah, I tough so... I guess there's no up-to-date list anywhere right? I'll have to search around Launchpad to know them all
[17:40] <dobey> i don't think necessarily that "knowing" all the individual packages/projects that make up the entire phone image is a worthwhile expenditure of time
[17:41] <dobey> if you have a problem and don't know which component the problem is in, you can just ask, or if there is something specific you want to help work on. we can help point you in the right direction in here
[17:42] <kaisoz> I was about just curious, but yeah, you're right, thank you :)
[17:43] <dobey> sure, but most of us who work on the phone stuff on a daily basis probably couldn't even recite the entire list of projects/packages, and some of them even vary across phone images
[17:44] <kaisoz> heheh I imagine that
[17:44] <dobey> because some different scopes/apps are shipped on different devices and in different regions, for example
[17:45] <dobey> and configuration for some devices is sometimes different than others
[17:45] <dobey> tablets versus phones versus laptops, for example
[17:45] <kaisoz> I'll play deeply with the phone, channels and so
[17:47] <kaisoz> about the contribution cycle, how it goes here? Sorry for so many questions... I've contributed with a few patches to the kernel (drivers subsystem) and there the steps are quite straightforward, you pick a task, work, submit the patch and then wait for feedback. Do you work in the same way? Are there tasks that are only for the Canonical guys?
[17:48] <kaisoz> I mean, do I select a project, look for bugs to solve and submit patches? Do I have to contact a maintainer before?
[17:48] <dobey> ubuntu is ubuntu, there aren't necessarily any differences in contributing fixes for the phone or other packages in ubuntu, generally
[17:48] <kaisoz> again, sorry for some many questions
[17:49] <dobey> well, things that only canonical people can work on/fix, you can't see anyway if you're not canonical :)
[17:49] <kaisoz> that's logical, anyway better ask xD
[17:51] <dobey> depending on the project/package, there are some minor differences in how things should ideally be submitted, but basically, just picking something that you want to work on, and either submitting a patch or working with whomever is already working on the task, is how to do it
[17:54] <kaisoz> that's great, many thanks for the info :)
[17:56] <kaisoz> I'll start playing deeply with the phone
[17:56] <kaisoz> Let's see where I can help
[17:57] <kaisoz> :)
[19:18] <Bijou> Hello, Is it possible installing Ubuntu phone under Meizu mx4 Android international version, or it's only possible under Meizu mx4 Ubuntu edition version?
[19:37] <dobey> Bijou: a version with android on it has to be repartitioned, and needs an unlocked bootloader (which is not a guarantee afaik)
   I've found this link http://forum.xda-developers.com/meizu-mx/general/tutorial-easy-unlock-bootloader-flash-t3239052  (UNLOCK Bootloader and flash TWRP <IP_ADDRESS> for MX4)
[19:54] <mariogrip> morphis: can I use ffplay to display mirscreencast_to_stream? if yes how?
[19:55] <mariogrip> vlc shows nothing
[19:55] <morphis> mariogrip: didn't tried ffplay yet
[19:55] <morphis> mariogrip: but vlc -vvvv rtp://@:5000 --network-caching=250 must work
[19:55] <morphis> if not something from the sending side or network conf is wrong
[19:57] <mariogrip> morphis: http://paste.ubuntu.com/22839515/
[19:58] <mariogrip> it just displays random small purple lines
[19:59] <dobey> Bijou: ok. you must be very careful when using the tools and repartitioning a device though, as it is very easy to brick the phone and lose the IMEI and such
[20:19] <Bijou> Thanks <dobey>
[20:19] <dobey> np
[20:58] <PaulfraOSAA> Is it possible to run a QtWidget based application on ubuntu touch?
[21:00] <PaulfraOSAA> I've followed the tuts and made some QML stuff, but since I've just been happily surprised that I can now run QtCreator on my M10 I thought it migt be possible to run it using the QtMir QPA
[21:01] <pmcgowan> PaulfraOSAA, I think it should work but that module is not installed by default
[21:01] <pmcgowan> so your click app could bring it in
[21:03] <dobey> pmcgowan: eh?
[21:03] <dobey> PaulfraOSAA: yes you can run qt apps under unity8, so long as you stick to the qt modules provided by the sdk
[21:03] <dobey> pmcgowan: of course the qtmir qpa is installed. that's how qt/qml works in the first place :)
[21:04] <pmcgowan> dobey, the qtwidgets are not installed
[21:05] <pmcgowan> libqt5quickwidgets5 for example
[21:05] <brunch875> dobey: does this mean roughly any qt app will work?
[21:05] <pmcgowan> but it is in the overlay
[21:06] <dobey>   ubuntu-touch: daily-preinstalled
[21:06] <dobey> that says it is installed
[21:07] <dobey> brunch875: well, anything that either only uses the APIs provided as dependencies of the SDK, or which provide any additional needed modules themselves, and don't try to do things which are outside the realm of their confinement, yeah
[21:07] <PaulfraOSAA> So OTA won't be able to do QtWidget stuff. *sigh*
[21:07] <dobey> huh?
[21:08] <pmcgowan> you need to provide the modules you need f they are not installed
[21:08] <PaulfraOSAA> Ohh, sounds interesting, I'll have to see if the documentation has become better then :)
[21:09] <brunch875> sounds interesting indeed
[21:09] <dobey> PaulfraOSAA: well, full c++ apps aren't really "supported" by the sdk (we don't have c++ APIs for all the ui toolkit bits yet), so not sure if what you want out of documentation is going to be there yet
[21:10] <dobey> but sure, there was at least one app in the store that was pure c++/qt without qml (the gl demo thing)
[21:11] <dobey> you don't have to worry about the QPA either. the right one should be used if you run the app under mir vs running under xorg
[21:12] <PaulfraOSAA> dobey: Is there any work on enabling full c++ QtWidgets apps?
[21:12] <PaulfraOSAA> I'd be interested in how I could pull in the QtWidget module since my OTA update probably won't have it
[21:13] <dobey> the widgets module should already be installed by default
[21:13] <dobey> i don't recall what "widgets" are in what modules, but i think the uitk uses some widgets stuff
[21:14] <dobey> PaulfraOSAA: my suggestion is "just try it"
[21:15] <PaulfraOSAA> dobey: The uikit uses the QmlControls, that is not the same as QtWidgets, which is the "old" standard c++ way of doing stuff
[21:15] <PaulfraOSAA> dobey: Just haven't figured out how to get along with the click packages yet
[21:17] <PaulfraOSAA> That is the documentation I'd really like to see improvements on. Maybe I just haven't found it yet


[05:06] <pragomer> hi. is there a good kind of "icon only taskbar" for xfce? read something about dockbarx plugin? but its not in the official repo. is there something similar or better?
[05:08] <krytarik> !info plank
[05:10] <pragomer> just having a look at plank
[05:13] <pragomer> has it a graphical settings?
[05:13] <krytarik> Yes.
[05:14] <pragomer> hm.. cant find that
[12:23] <craigbass76> I'm running Xub on a chrome book, and apparently it's a real pared down version. I just installed CUPS, messed the username and pass up in a web browser (localhost:631) and there's nothing in my menu to configure printers. Is there a second app I need for GUI printer setup?
[19:48] <thunder011> hi
[19:49] <knome> hello
[19:50] <diogenes_> hi
[19:50] <thunder011> why books and magazines section in ubuntu software is empty??????????????????
[19:50] <diogenes_> it's deprecated to my mind
[19:51] <thunder011> humm ?
[19:52] <diogenes_> ubuntu stopped support for old software center
[19:52] <diogenes_> now they're doing a fork of gnome software center
[19:52] <thunder011> okay gnome software center where can i download it?
[19:53] <diogenes_> no clue I don't use either of those, try synaptic package manager
[19:53] <diogenes_> synaptic is way much better
[19:54] <thunder011> i tried synaptic manager but i dont know how to use it
[19:54] <diogenes_> just type in the search bar whaever you need
[19:55] <thunder011> and how can i install software with it
[19:56] <diogenes_> you right click on the package you need and chose select for installation
[19:56] <diogenes_> then you find button apply changes
[19:57] <thunder011> okay , thanks and can i download books from synaptic manager ?
[19:58] <knome> i don't think there are many books or magazines on the repositories
[19:59] <thunder011> :):):)
[20:01] <diogenes_> thunder011, try this in terminal:
[20:01] <diogenes_> sudo apt purge gnome-software ubuntu-software
[20:01] <diogenes_> sudo apt autoremove
[20:02] <diogenes_> sudo apt install gnome-software ubuntu-software
[20:02] <diogenes_> and see what you get
[20:02] <thunder011> okay
[20:04] <thunder011> thanks,its working
[20:07] <diogenes_> ok
[20:07] <diogenes_> yw
[20:15] <thunder011> gnome software center is downloded but when i try to open it its not opening , i also reinstalled it but still its not working
[20:16] <diogenes_> try reboot pc
[20:16] <thunder011> okay let me try
[20:21] <thunder011> nope still its not working
[20:23] <diogenes_> thunder011, wgat exactly doesn't work?
[20:23] <thunder011> wgat ????
[20:23] <thunder011> mins
[20:23] <diogenes_> what*
[20:24] <thunder011> when i try to open it nothing happens
[20:24] <diogenes_> you said everything was working
[20:24] <diogenes_> so what's now?
[20:25] <thunder011> i mean gnome software was downloded
[20:25] <thunder011> downloading procees is working
[20:26] <diogenes_> thunder011, run in terminal: ls /usr/bin | grep "gnome"
[20:26] <diogenes_> and tell me what you get
[20:26] <thunder011> gnome-calculator
[20:26] <thunder011> gnome-character-map
[20:26] <thunder011> gnome-exe-thumbnailer
[20:26] <thunder011> gnome-help
[20:26] <thunder011> gnome-keyring
[20:26] <thunder011> gnome-keyring-3
[20:26] <thunder011> gnome-keyring-daemon
[20:27] <diogenes_> thunder011, copy everything you get there and paste to: www.dpaste.com and then share the link here
[20:28] <thunder011> http://dpaste.com/1XGCT9J
[20:29] <diogenes_> now run in terminal: gksu gnome-software
[20:30] <thunder011> yeah yeah yeah now its working
[20:30] <diogenes_> lol
[20:31] <thunder011> thanks
[20:31] <diogenes_> are you sure?
[20:31] <thunder011> yeah
[20:31] <diogenes_> now you can make a shortcut of it
[20:31] <thunder011> :-[:-[
[20:31] <thunder011> shotcut   how???
[20:32] <diogenes_> create a new document on desktop called: Software.desktop
[20:32] <thunder011> okay
[20:32] <diogenes_> right click on that document and open it with a text editor
[20:32] <thunder011> thanks for the help
[20:33] <thunder011> and next ???
[20:33] <diogenes_> wait
[20:35] <diogenes_> copy-paste: http://dpaste.com/112AA1F
[20:35] <diogenes_> tell me when you done
[20:37] <thunder011> i am getting error ""Failed to parse the desktop file: Key file contains line 'Desktop Entry]' which is not a key-value pair, group, or comment""
[20:38] <diogenes_> it should be [Desktop Entry]
[20:39] <thunder011> yeah i forgate breackates
[20:39] <thunder011> but now its fixed and working
[20:39] <thunder011> shotcurt is created
[20:39] <thunder011> thanks again
[20:39] <diogenes_> no way, magic
[20:39] <thunder011> and sorry for my worst english
[20:39] <diogenes_> btw you can add whatever icon you want
[20:40] <thunder011> yeah


[00:00] <Ng> g45 seems happy with 2.6.27 and the latest -intel package :)
[00:15] <tjaalton> ok, synaptics uploaded..
[00:16] <tjaalton> zzz ->
[00:17] <tormod> now where did tedg go?
[00:17] <tormod> it's not allowed to leave irc before FF :)
[00:18] <bryce> heh, tedg is not much of an irc guy ;-)
[00:18] <bryce> if you have IM, he tends to respond better to that (or email)
[00:20] <tormod> thanks for the hint. you know what timezone he's in?
[00:20] <tormod> I thought IRC was IM :)
[00:20] <bryce> he's in texas, which I think is -5 or -6
[00:20] <bryce> er -6 or -7
[00:21] <tormod> is he a day or night worker?
[00:25] <bryce> pretty much.  ain't we all?
[00:25] <bryce> ;-)
[00:25] <bryce> actually I don't know for certain; I think he's a morning type guy, and he has a young son so he probably can't work all hours of the day like he'd probably like
[00:25] <bryce> he's obsessive about checking email though
[00:28] <tormod> I'll try mail then :) thanks
[07:05] <tjaalton> bryce: looks good
[07:49] <tjaalton> hm, I wonder if xserver should depend on evdev
[07:51] <tjaalton> or xserver-xorg should depend on 'x-x-i-all | x-x-i-evdev | x-x-i-ABI'
[08:13] <tseliot> bryce: did you try screen-resolution-extra?
[09:51]  * Ng pokes at the changelog for -intel 2.4.2 to see if it's interesting ;)
[09:51] <tjaalton> Ng: our 2.4.1 is basically 2.4.2
[09:52] <tjaalton> only upstream change is the version string
[09:52] <Ng> ah, sweet :)
[09:52] <Ng> I gave it a quick test out last night on the new box and it seemed fine :)
[09:52] <tjaalton> nice
[11:07] <tjaalton> so, the new mesa broke stuff for intel at least
[11:08] <tjaalton> compiz doesn't start etc.
[11:10] <jcristau> tjaalton: with the new server?
[11:10] <tjaalton> jcristau: old one
[11:10] <jcristau> there's a chance the new one will fix this
[11:10] <tjaalton> ah
[11:10] <tjaalton> k, I'll build it then
[11:13] <jcristau> configure will check for inputproto 1.4.4
[11:18] <tjaalton> crap
[11:18] <tjaalton> I had 1.9.xx installed
[11:25] <tjaalton> patch added, now building..
[11:35] <tjaalton> yeah, I got compiz back
[13:45] <tjaalton> hm, my xserver locked hard
[13:47] <tjaalton> or maybe the display just went blank
[13:48] <tseliot> tjaalton: lucky you... with the new driver my my Intel card makes the screen flicker
[13:49] <pwnguin> as of last week, my laptop just sits black
[13:49] <pwnguin> not an X thing, a power cord thing =(
[14:00] <tjaalton> pwnguin: btw, the wacom crash is due to the new driver
[14:00] <tjaalton> old one works for me
[14:00] <pwnguin> "works"
[14:01] <tjaalton> hotplug works
[14:01] <pwnguin> do i need to check my email?
[14:01] <tjaalton> and doesn't crash the server
[14:01] <tjaalton> I replied to the bug, that's all
[14:01] <tjaalton> and found a dupe
[14:02] <pwnguin> i haven't yet figured out how to communicate with upstream effectively
[14:03] <pwnguin> they've basically said reporters need to send email to the list and then they'll create reports themselves (if they feel so inclined)
[14:04] <tjaalton> no-one replied to my question about input properties
[14:06] <jcristau> is upstream more than magnus?
[14:06] <tjaalton> jcristau: you mean commit 5e847c1d4fc30a0d would fix the problem of choosing a driver which doesn't support the device instead of just falling back to vesa?
[14:07] <jcristau> tjaalton: it should
[14:08] <tjaalton> cool
[14:08] <tjaalton> wacom upstream is some Ping guy
[14:09] <tjaalton> magnus has been active, but no posts from him in a while
[14:11] <pwnguin> danny kuwaka (sp?) has been engaging linuxwacom lately, mostly in the form of sax2 patches
[14:17] <soren> It's Kukawka.
[14:17] <soren> Well, presuming we're talking about the same guy :)
[14:19] <pwnguin> yea
[14:19] <pwnguin> i think i'll just call him danny, because i dont know any others
[14:20] <pwnguin> i know a couple soren's but only one danny :)
[14:21] <soren> pwnguin: Really? That's a rather unique statistic, I think :)
[14:22] <tjaalton> ok, so my laptop screen doesn't wake up
[14:22] <tjaalton> hrm, will test another kernel
[14:23] <tseliot> tjaalton: and my laptop doesn't boot at all with 2.6.27
[14:24] <tjaalton> tseliot: fun :)
[14:24] <tseliot> tjaalton: a lot...
[14:24] <tseliot> furthermore I can't do mouse clicks by tapping on my touchpad any more
[14:25] <tjaalton> tseliot: since when?
[14:25] <tseliot> tjaalton: today
[14:25] <tjaalton> logfile
[14:29] <tseliot> tjaalton: http://pastebin.com/m4923e04a
[14:31] <tjaalton> tseliot: so you've ran intrepid on it before the update?
[14:32] <tseliot> tjaalton: yes, sure
[14:32] <tjaalton> well, you should be able to change the setting on the fly with xinput
[14:33] <tseliot> hmm,,, it wasn't installed
[14:34] <tjaalton> it's not a strict dependency
[14:35] <tseliot> tjaalton: how can I change the settings with xinput?
[14:36] <tjaalton> tseliot: http://who-t.blogspot.com/2008/07/input-device-properties.html
[14:36] <tjaalton> I don't have a touchpad though
[14:36] <tjaalton> so haven't tested it
[14:37] <tseliot> ok, thanks
[14:38] <tjaalton> man xinput helps as well
[14:43] <tjaalton> tseliot: you could also try to downgrade the driver to see if it works with the old version
[14:43] <tseliot> tjaalton: sure
[14:44] <tjaalton> could be that the driver defaults have changed
[14:49] <tseliot> tjaalton: yes, reverting to 0.14.7 solved the problem
[14:50] <tseliot> also with the intel driver 2.3.2 the screen doesn't flicker
[14:53] <tjaalton> tseliot: what chip do you have?
[14:53] <tseliot> tjaalton: Compiz doesn't work with either version
[14:53] <tjaalton> try if the latest xserver is built
[14:53] <tjaalton> and published.. probably not
[14:54] <tseliot> tjaalton: it says intel 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML
[14:55] <tjaalton> ok, 965 doesn't flicker
[14:55] <tjaalton> or, when should it flicker?
[14:56] <tjaalton> I don't do multihead
[14:56] <tseliot> tjaalton: it flickers with 2.4.1 with a single display
[14:56] <tseliot> with no virtual resolution set
[14:56] <jcristau> weird. doesn't here.
[14:57] <jcristau> hrm
[14:57] <jcristau> i'm wrong
[14:57] <jcristau> actually it does
[14:57] <tseliot> jcristau: glad to know that I'm not the only one ;)
[14:57] <jcristau> 2.4.1 didn't (i think), 2.4.2 does
[14:58] <jcristau> 2.4 did, too :)
[14:58]  * jcristau bisects
[14:59] <tseliot> tjaalton: any links to the new xserver?
[15:00] <tjaalton> tseliot: available on archive.u.c
[15:01] <tjaalton> ok, my screen doesn't wake up with .26 or .27, but does with .24
[15:03] <tjaalton> and the mouse pointer isn't crazy either
[15:03] <tjaalton> with .24
[15:09] <jcristau> 48d4b0ae is the culprit
[16:29]  * Ng spies talk of flickering
[16:29] <Ng> I wonder if that's the same thing I'm seeing
[17:09] <tseliot> federico1: I'm looking for the name of the connected output in the display capplet (e.g. VGA, LVDS[1], etc.). Is "output->name" what I'm looking for? "output->display_name" should the label (e.g. Samsung 204b) while "output->name" is VGA, etc., right?
[17:22] <superm1> bryce, any updates on your end from AMD by chance?
[17:26] <tjaalton> superm1: 1.5 will be released next week, so hopefully the Sep version supports it
[17:28] <superm1> tjaalton, unfortunately from the feedback i've heard it looks like it's a lot of work to rework on their end, and i've yet to see any of the private betas even touch on the subject
[17:29] <tjaalton> superm1: hm, too bad
[17:29] <tjaalton> even so, going back to 1.4 is not an option IMHO
[17:29] <superm1> tjaalton, yeah so i'm just hoping at this point that more positive words might have been received from bryce's channels.
[17:30] <superm1> what i don't get is that they really should have seen this coming
[17:30] <superm1> these changes have been in xorg-server's git for a long time
[17:30] <tjaalton> yep.. nvidia has supported it since March or so
[17:31] <superm1> in an email, i quote "We only recently found about the major changes"
[17:31] <superm1> so yeah...
[17:31] <tjaalton> umm, right
[17:31] <tjaalton> head-in-the-sand
[17:35] <federico1> tseliot: yeah, I think output->name is just what xrandr(1) would report
[18:09] <bryce> superm1: sorry, what I've heard seems to be about the same as what you've heard
[18:10] <superm1> bryce, well right now i'm crossing my fingers hoping that they can just throw a ton of man power at it and get it done soon
[18:11] <jcristau> a ton of manpower sounds like too much
[18:12] <bryce> superm1: yeah sounds like it's top priority for them right now
[18:13] <bryce> superm1: there's a release meeting tomorrow, and colin suggested we discuss the potential of an -fglrx SRU there
[18:13] <superm1> bryce, i'll listen in on the meeting, you know what time it's at?
[18:15] <bryce> superm1: 15:00 GMT I think, on #ubuntu-meeting.  let me verify
[18:16] <bryce> yep  - http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1619
[18:16] <superm1> yeah i should be able to make that i believe
[19:41] <bryce> tseliot: you about?
[20:10] <tseliot> bryce: I'm here. Did I miss anything?
[20:11] <bdmurray> tseliot: I'm looking for a bug with a bad xorg.conf
[20:11] <tseliot> bdmurray: with X-Kit?
[20:12] <bryce> tseliot: heya.  brian is working on hooking up your xorg.conf validator script to run automatically on bug submissions
[20:12] <tseliot> bryce, bdmurray: fantastic!
[20:12] <bdmurray> well, to process existing bug reports ;)
[20:13] <tseliot> bdmurray: would you like me to send you a text file with the tests performed on all the bug reports?
[20:13] <bdmurray> tseliot: I wanted to know if you knew of a bug # with a bad one
[20:13] <tseliot> bdmurray: sure, let me check
[20:13] <bdmurray> or if you have the librarian url I can find the bug
[20:14] <tseliot> bdmurray: 106632 or 103839
[20:16] <tseliot> bdmurray: I've got other ~160 bugreports
[20:16] <tseliot> bryce, superm1: BTW the switch to kernel 2.6.27 killed one more NVIDIA driver (173)
[20:16] <bdmurray> tseliot: okay, if I need to test more I'll let you know :-)
[20:16] <superm1> tseliot, ugh really?
[20:17] <tseliot> bdmurray: ok
[20:17] <superm1> tseliot, failed to compile, or what's the deal?
[20:17] <tseliot> superm1: yes, it failed to compiled. Then I applied the patch, compiled and I got this: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118595
[20:18] <tseliot> superm1: I can't even modprobe the module...
[20:19] <tseliot> nooo, another NVIDIA beta driver was released...
[20:19] <bryce> "Intrepid - The (unintentionally) fully FOSS Ubuntu release"
[20:20] <tseliot> bryce: yes, that's how it will end up
[20:20] <superm1> haha
[20:21] <superm1> tseliot, i dont see any new ones listed on http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us ?
[20:21] <superm1> oh nvm on nvnews.net
[20:21] <superm1> not on nvidia.com yet
[20:22] <tseliot> yep, it's here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118602
[20:22] <superm1> yeah this situation for all these binary drivers is pretty bad it seems right now...
[20:23] <superm1> other than nvidia 177 i suppose
[20:23] <tseliot> bryce: improving communication with NVIDIA wouldn't be a bad idea (as you did with AMD)
[20:23] <tseliot> bryce: by "you" I mean Canonical
[20:23] <bdmurray> tseliot: 106632's attachments passed for me
[20:25] <tseliot> bdmurray: yes, and it is valid
[20:25] <tseliot> hmm...
[20:25] <bdmurray> tseliot: okay, I thought you mentioned that as an example of a bad one.  I found that 103839 did have a bad one though
[20:26] <tseliot> bdmurray: yes, it has a broken reference to a monitor section which doesn't exist
[20:26] <bdmurray> right, so 106632's are good and 103839 has a bad one
[20:27] <tseliot> bdmurray: yes, right
[20:28] <bdmurray> Okay, I think my script is sound, I'll start processing some next week I think.  I've a long weekend this weekend.
[20:30] <tseliot> bdmurray: great. Let me know if there is something you would like me to change in X-Kit.
[21:09] <bryce> hey bdmurray, I like using the "incomplete with response" to review replies to the -ati bugs to filter down to ones I need to look at.  But often I am just asking another question (like, attach /var/log/Xorg.0.log).  Is there a way to bump an incomplete bug back to 'incomplete without response', aside from moving it to New and then back to Incomplete?
[22:38] <tseliot> bryce, superm1: I got driver 173 back with another patch
[22:39] <superm1> tseliot, you wrote it, or got it from somewhere?
[22:40] <tseliot> superm1: I took it from Kanotix
[22:40] <superm1> ah that was pretty quick of him to come up with a patch
[22:40] <tseliot> yep
[22:40] <tjaalton> I think he had that for some time
[22:40] <superm1> now remind me briefly; are -71 and -96 broken because of similar reasons, or xorg server 1.5?
[22:40] <tseliot> xorg 1.5
[22:41] <superm1> so a lot less likely to be fixed anytime very soon
[22:41] <tseliot> yes...
[22:41] <superm1> what's the plan of attack for those packages then?  i mean it doesn't make sense to offer them via jockey right now does it?
[22:42] <tseliot> I can hijack the modaliases files for those drivers
[22:42] <superm1> well or just have jockey not depend on those until they are fixed?
[22:42] <superm1> i mean that's basically what's going on right now for fglrx
[22:42] <tseliot> yes
[22:43] <superm1> and i suppose have nvidia-common not support them etc
[22:43] <tseliot> oh and I forgot that I can't touch the modaliases since we need them to know which cards are not supported
[22:43] <tseliot> so that maybe nvidia-common can detect them and change the driver to nv in case of dist-upgrade
[22:44] <tseliot> we could do the same with ati cards
[22:44] <superm1> well the fat lady hasn't sung yet on ati cards, but yeah that's a possible solution
[22:45] <tseliot> yes, it was just an idea
[22:45] <tseliot> and we don't know what NVIDIA will do and when
[22:45] <tseliot> superm1: I have fixed a problem in nvidia-settings
[22:46] <superm1> tseliot, what problem?
[22:46] <tseliot> it set the background colour to white
[22:46] <tseliot> in the glx frame
[22:46] <superm1> is that not desirable?
[22:46] <tseliot> not with dark themes
[22:47] <superm1> ah yeah.
[22:47] <tseliot> that frame looked like a big white rectangle here
[22:47] <superm1> do you need sponsorship on that?
[22:47] <tseliot> yes, please
[22:47] <tseliot> let me upload the package to my website
[22:47] <superm1> you have a debdiff somewhere I can apply and upload?
[22:47] <superm1> make sure to submit this patch to nvidia too
[22:48] <tseliot> on their forums?
[22:48] <superm1> ideally yes.  if they aren't responsive, i've got other channels i can submit it too
[22:53] <tseliot> superm1: http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/nvidia/nvidia-settings_173.14.09-1ubuntu3.debdiff
[22:54] <tseliot> superm1: I have just commented out a few lines
[22:54] <superm1> that debdiff seems a bit sizable for "just commented out a few lines"?
[22:54] <tseliot> superm1: a file was auto-generated
[22:55] <tseliot> and didn't go away after a debclean
[22:55] <superm1> ugh i forgot how annoying this package is; it doesn't use a patch system at all
[22:55] <superm1> i'm going to add in a patch system so this doesn't get lose in cruft
[22:55] <tseliot> superm1: shall I upload the whole source then?
[22:56] <superm1> tseliot, no it's okay, i'll factor your changes directly into a .patch in debian/patches and then add you to the changelog manually
[22:56] <tseliot> ok thanks
[23:05] <superm1> okay tseliot uploaded
[23:06] <tseliot> superm1: thanks a lot
[23:06] <superm1> tseliot,  np.  you should find a core-dev sponsor for that nvidia-drivers-173 soon too.  my boss was bugging me about that this morning when he upgraded to 2.6.27 ;)
[23:08] <tseliot> superm1: I'll make DKMS apply the patch only with 2.6.27 so as to keep compatibility with 2.6.26. Your boss will be happy about this ;)
[23:08] <superm1> :)
[23:09] <tseliot> superm1: how do you handle upgrades to new versions of the driver with DKMS?
[23:09] <superm1> you remove the old version with dkms remove
[23:10] <superm1> and then install the new version with dkms add/install/build
[23:14] <tseliot> superm1: it's what I do but the directories of the old versions still remain in /var/lib/dkms/nvidia even though they are almost empty
[23:14] <superm1> what's still there?
[23:15] <tseliot> For example, these directories: 2.6.26-5-generic  build
[23:15] <tseliot> and this broken link:  lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   25 2008-08-03 16:49 source -> /usr/src/nvidia-173.14.09
[23:17] <tseliot> superm1: oops, I didn't set remove|upgrade in the case loop
[23:17] <tseliot> my bad
[23:17] <tseliot> (in the prerm)
[23:18] <tseliot> there was only remove
[23:19] <superm1> oh, yeah i ran into that a while back on fglrx too
[23:56] <tseliot> superm1: patch for nvidia-settings submitted to NVIDIA: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118640
[23:56] <tseliot> good night
[23:56] <superm1> tseliot, okay great :)
[23:56] <superm1> tseliot, let me know if that gets ack'ed by them in the next week or two
[23:56] <superm1> if not i'll bring it up via my channels
[23:57] <tseliot> superm1: ok, I subscribed to that thread so as to be notified via email. I'll let you know how it goes
[23:57] <superm1> ok
[23:57] <superm1> nigth
[23:57]  * tseliot > bed


[20:08] <MichaelChristens> Hi, I'm planning on getting a new laptop with ubuntu studio and have been considering whether I should choose to use LUKS full disk encryption or whether doing this would significantly slow the cpu and ssd performance during intensive tasks (such as video editing). Does anyone have advice/experience concerning this question?
[20:35] <corrinado[m]> We'll, most modern CPUs will handle LUKS without any noticable performance cost. So you're gonna want to find out what CPU / generation, HDD or SSD or NVME for storage. The CPU should include AES-NI Support. Most CPUs do.
[20:42] <corrinado[m]>  * Most modern CPUs will handle LUKS without any noticable performance cost. So you're gonna want to find out what CPU / generation, HDD or SSD or NVME for storage. The CPU should include AES-NI Support. Most CPUs do.
[21:19] <MichaelChristens> Good---that sounds reassuring. For the CPU, I was specifically considering an `Intel Core i5-10210U` (which---as far as I could tell---includes AES). For the SSD, it would be a `M.2 PCIe NVMe`
[21:53] <corrinado[m]> You should have a good time with that CPU. It is pretty new and has full aes-ni support.
[23:04] <MichaelChristens> Ok good—thanks for the info.


[20:22] <goatia> Hi all, Please could someone help, for some reason I lost my main volume control tab, Im new at Studio and still trying to find my way around. System was fine last night, when I start up now it takes longer than usual. I suspect it might have something to do with plugging in a Yamaha Keyboard on USB, not sure, any help and guidence will be appreciated!
[23:09] <goatia> Hi all, can anyone help me with audio problem, not connecting to pulseaudio


[05:09] <jjoseph> Hi
[05:09] <jjoseph> How to get the KStatusNotifierItem working in Ubuntu Budgie?
[05:12] <fossfreedom_> jjoseph: what's the app?
[05:14] <jjoseph> element
[05:14] <jjoseph> I don't see tray icon
[05:15] <jjoseph> I think mostly all electron based apps
[05:15] <fossfreedom_> Installed from where?
[05:16] <jjoseph> https://element.io/download#linux
[05:18] <jjoseph> I saw an applet StatusNotifier https://github.com/rilian-la-te/xfce4-sntray-plugin
[05:18] <jjoseph> It's very old and not maintained
[05:18] <jjoseph> Having a lot of bug
[05:18] <fossfreedom_> Thx. Have you got the budgie indicator applet on your panel?
[05:18] <jjoseph> Yes
[05:19] <fossfreedom_> Surprise ayatana indicators don't display this
[05:20] <jjoseph> Yes, the underlying problem is with electron and chromium, chromium removed support for libappindicator and switched completely to KStatsusNotfierItem
[05:22] <jjoseph> Sorry, I'm having a power outage, I might need to log off. Any suggestions would be appreciated
[05:23] <fossfreedom_> Suggest raise on our discourse forum ... this will allow you to revisit in between power issues
[05:24] <jjoseph> Thank you, any topic you suggest in discourse ?
[05:24] <fossfreedom_> Budgie applets
[05:24] <jjoseph> Thank you!
[05:24] <jjoseph> Good day!


[15:00] <rbasak> o/
[15:00] <rbasak> Who's here?
[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:00] <ddstreet> o/
[15:01] <rbasak> ddstreet, tdaitx: here?
[15:01] <jbicha> o/
[15:01] <tdaitx> o/
[15:01] <rbasak> Need one more DMB member for quorum.
[15:01] <cyphermox> o/
[15:01] <rbasak> \o/
[15:01] <cyphermox> I'm here :)
[15:01] <rbasak> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Nov 19 15:01:49 2018 UTC.  The chair is rbasak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:01] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:01] <rbasak> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:02] <rbasak> Adding Andreas to ~ubuntu-core-dev and sending announcements (done)
[15:02] <rbasak> Looks like that can be cleared out.
[15:02] <rbasak> No other previous action items.
[15:02] <rbasak> #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications
[15:02] <rbasak> I suggest starting with ddstreet as his application has been postponed multiple times from previous missed meetings. Any objections?
[15:02] <sil2100> +1 on tha
[15:02] <sil2100> *that
[15:03] <cyphermox> yup, sounds good
[15:03] <rbasak> #subtopic Dan Streetman
[15:03] <rbasak> ddstreet: hello! Thank you for your patience with this. Could you introduce yourself please?
[15:03] <ddstreet> hi i'm ddstreet, been using ubuntu since i started with canonical in 2015
[15:03] <ddstreet> i'm part of the canonical sustaining engineering team, for reference re: canonical
[15:04] <ddstreet> my application page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ddstreet/coredeveloper
[15:04] <ddstreet> for older history, been using linux since 1997 and unix since 1993 (solaris, college)
[15:04] <rbasak> I have some questions, so shall I go first?
[15:04] <ddstreet> mostly my work has been with the linux kernel, but more recently i've expanded/shifted into more userspace packages
[15:05] <ddstreet> fine with me
[15:05] <rbasak> We recently updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/DeveloperApplicationTemplate but I guess your application page predates that change.
[15:05] <ddstreet> rbasak probably, i actually just copied over my sru-developer application and edited it
[15:05] <rbasak> Please could you explain your goals in applying to be core dev? Is there anything in particular that you are blocked from doing now, where a successful application would unblock you?
[15:06] <ddstreet> primarily 1) upload to devel release and 2) develop/maintain core tooling, e.g. ubuntu-dev-tools
[15:07] <rbasak> OK. What sorts of uploads to the devel release are you expecting to make?
[15:07] <ddstreet> bugfixes
[15:07] <ddstreet> almost exclusively
[15:07] <ddstreet> and then sru those fixes
[15:07] <jbicha> ddstreet: I'm leaning towards voting no because it looks like your list of non-SRU uploads is pretty short & you already have upload rights to do SRUs
[15:08] <rbasak> ddstreet: do you have specific examples of sponsored uploads of this nature done to the development release please?
[15:08] <ddstreet> jbicha yep i've familiar with the 'no, moar' position from the dmb :)
[15:08] <ddstreet> rbasak just whatever is listed in my upload history
[15:08] <rbasak> It's hard to sift through those filtering for just the ones relevant to your "unblocking request", IYSWIM.
[15:09] <rbasak> That's why we updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/DeveloperApplicationTemplate :)
[15:09] <ddstreet> you mean, can i list specific uploads that i needed to have sponsored instead of being able to upload myself?
[15:09] <rbasak> Right
[15:09] <ddstreet> no i don't have that broken out
[15:10] <rbasak> That's what I feel I ought to be assessing.
[15:10] <ddstreet> i should also state, i plan to sponsor other's uploads to devel, as well, that wasn't clear from my initial statement
[15:10] <jbicha> https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsoree=dan+streetman&sponsoree_search=name
[15:10] <jbicha> I found that link on your application :) :)
[15:10] <cyphermox> ddstreet: could you expand on the thought-process behind the fix for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ebtables/<IP_ADDRESS>-3.5ubuntu4 ? seems like ignoring errors is generally worse than fixing whatever the underlying problem is, maybe there's some background I'm missing for ebtables
[15:11] <ddstreet> cyphermox that was due to an issue with WSL; the package upgrade failed because the service stop failed, but that was because it never was able to start (or work) in the first place
[15:12] <ddstreet> there is no reason to block package upgrade if the service stop fails, however
[15:12] <ddstreet> for this particular pkg, at least
[15:13] <cyphermox> I disagree; you generally do want to catch failures even if it's a stop -- if it doesn't stop and you try to start it after and it fails to start, you're not really in a better position
[15:13] <rbasak> I see five bugfix uploads to the development release in the past 12 months I think. Are there any more?
[15:13] <ddstreet> cyphermox for this particular service, nothing is running and there is no blockage to 'starting' it
[15:14] <ddstreet> cyphermox there additionall was back-and-forth discussion for that bug and that approach was settled on, though i did suggest/discuss other approaches
[15:14] <rbasak> And none of the sponsors from those five bugfix development uploads appear to have endorsed or commented on your application. Is there a reason for this?
[15:15] <ddstreet> rbasak that's probbaly right i suppose
[15:15] <ddstreet> i can't speak for sponsors, i have no idea why they ignored my request for endorsement/comment
[15:17] <rbasak> What's your experience in getting uploads landed in the development release currently?
[15:17] <rbasak> (ie. finding sponsorship)
[15:17] <ddstreet> i can usually get slashd to upload to devel when he's around
[15:17] <ddstreet> but i can't upload anyone else's devel fixes
[15:17] <rbasak> OK, thanks. Does anyone have any further questions?
[15:18] <ddstreet> and he's not always around or have time
[15:19] <jbicha> no more questions from me
[15:20] <tsimonq2> Hi, sorry I'm late.
[15:21] <cpaelzer> sorry to interrupt, can I as a sponsor of ddstreet seeing the discussion going on ask a question as well?
[15:21] <tsimonq2> cpaelzer: I don't see why not.
[15:21] <tsimonq2> I'm personally ready to vote after talking with ddstreet the other day.
[15:22] <rbasak> cpaelzer: absolutely
[15:22] <cpaelzer> thanks, I mentioned that I can't speak for the usual complexities of a core-dev in my endorsement as I haven't touched those. I wonder if ddstreet would be able to identify a list of pacakages where getting PPU on these would solve 99% of his issue withut needing full core-dev
[15:22] <cpaelzer> it seems there are a few common candidates that he is contributing to, and those might be a good first step to grow from there
[15:22] <ddstreet> cpaelzer no, i think i do need core dev
[15:22] <ddstreet> thanks for the suggestion though
[15:23] <rbasak> OK. I think everyone is ready to vote then?
[15:23] <ddstreet> i fully expect the dmb to vote me down with 'you need moar' though :)
[15:23] <cpaelzer> could you outline why that is needed and a set of PPUs would not so that the group here can include that in the decision?
[15:23] <ddstreet> cpaelzer i (and those i work with) fix a wide variety of packages
[15:24] <ddstreet> and i need devel upload not just for myself but also to upload/sponsor others
[15:24] <tsimonq2> Are they the same packages (but a lot of them)?
[15:24] <ddstreet> additionally, much of what i want to do as core dev is fix the lack of tooling to make it easier for others to prepare their uploads for sponsors
[15:24] <ddstreet> and, allow sponsors to much more easily check off the long list of upload items without manually looking to make sure uploads meet each item
[15:25] <ddstreet> tsimonq2 all pkgs in main plus quite a lot in universe, if that's what you are asking
[15:25] <tsimonq2> That would be a good idea ddstreet  have you proposed your ideas? :)
[15:26] <tsimonq2> s/  /, /
[15:26] <tsimonq2> ddstreet: I see.
[15:26] <ddstreet> tsimonq2 i have a long history of rewriting ubuntu-dev-tools pull-* tooling
[15:26] <ddstreet> that i'm waiting to get coredev before i push to ubuntu-dev-tools git
[15:26] <ddstreet> as well there needs to be tooling to check debdiffs instead of having to check them manually
[15:27] <cyphermox> ddstreet: I don't understand that comment? tooling to avoid manually looking over uploads?
[15:27] <tsimonq2> ddstreet: And I have a long history of nagging mapreri to merge your changes already :P
[15:27] <tsimonq2> (He's a sponsor of mine.)
[15:27] <ddstreet> cyphermox yep; check version number, changelog formatting; LP: # tag, run autopkgtests, build, etc.
[15:27] <rbasak> I've discussed ddstreet's proposals in the past. I have no objection to them, but I've been focused on the same problems but using git instead, and I prefer to focus my time there.
[15:27] <cyphermox> mmkay
[15:27] <ddstreet> tsimonq2 mapreri already discussed and agreed that i would push my changes, not him
[15:27] <rbasak> ("git ubuntu lint" etc)
[15:28] <ddstreet> as my changes will be ongoing, and waiting another year+ for 'review' and upload of my chagnes isn't sustainable
[15:28] <cyphermox> yeah. it's not bad, just won't ever be a replacement for eyes
[15:28] <ddstreet> rbasak git ubuntu doesn't cover all pkgs in ubuntu
[15:28] <rbasak> Unfortunately the nature of the changes means that it's a big review.
[15:28] <rbasak> ddstreet: the plan is that it will :)
[15:28] <ddstreet> IMHO much of git ubuntu backend functionality should go into a lib
[15:28] <rbasak> For now we accept individual additions to the whitelist
[15:29] <rbasak> git ubuntu backend functionality _is_ a lib :)
[15:29] <ddstreet> right but you restrict that functionality to only the git ubuntu tool
[15:29] <jbicha> I understand the desire to avoid sponsoring, but your application here would be stronger if you had a longer list of things that have been sponsored or at least in the sponsor queue
[15:29] <rbasak> Admittedly it's not split out
[15:29] <tsimonq2> +1 jbicha
[15:29] <ddstreet> rbasak well, if it's not split out, that's not really a usable public lib then :)  but i get your point
[15:29] <rbasak> Much functionality depends on being able to read what's there, and that's made much easier by relying on a single format (git and the nature of the git-ubuntu trees) in order to make that work.
[15:29] <ddstreet> jbicha yeah i know, 'moar'
[15:29] <ddstreet> :)
[15:30] <cyphermox> rbasak: otoh, linting is not git-specific
[15:30] <rbasak> So I think there's probably not much benefit in exporting API to share code in this case.
[15:30] <rbasak> cyphermox: it absolutely is!
[15:30] <tsimonq2> Anyway, are we ready to formally vote?
[15:30] <ddstreet> rbasak we can certainly discuss git ubuntu later if you want :)
[15:30] <cyphermox> rbasak: not checking that a package is sane :)
[15:30] <cyphermox> yeah, I think we're ready to vote
[15:30] <rbasak> cyphermox: linting needs to look at what's there already, how the archive looks, etc. In git-ubuntu we do it by examining the repo. There are other ways, but no reason for git-ubuntu lint to not use what's there.
[15:30] <rbasak> But then there's less commonality with a non-git approach.
[15:30] <rbasak> Anyway
[15:31] <rbasak> Let's move on to vote then.
[15:31] <cyphermox> rbasak: that's not what he was talking about -- it was mostly just looking at the control and stuff
[15:31] <rbasak> #vote Approve ddstreet's core dev application
[15:31] <meetingology> Please vote on: Approve ddstreet's core dev application
[15:31] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:31] <rbasak> -1 detailed reasons to follow
[15:31] <meetingology> -1 detailed reasons to follow received from rbasak
[15:31] <tsimonq2> -1 I'd like to see more devel work.
[15:31] <meetingology> -1 I'd like to see more devel work. received from tsimonq2
[15:32] <sil2100> +0 (I know Dan's SRU work and I know his capable, but I would need to see a bit more devel work and demonstration of devel knowledge (aka. moar))
[15:32] <meetingology> +0 (I know Dan's SRU work and I know his capable, but I would need to see a bit more devel work and demonstration of devel knowledge (aka. moar)) received from sil2100
[15:32] <sil2100> s/his/he's/
[15:32] <ddstreet> ah, moar, what a surprise ;-)
[15:32] <cyphermox> -1 ; as for the others; would like to see more non-SRU, devel work -- merges, more -proposed, etc.
[15:32] <meetingology> -1 ; as for the others; would like to see more non-SRU, devel work -- merges, more -proposed, etc. received from cyphermox
[15:33] <jbicha> -1 insufficient non-SRU uploads (or evidence of other core-dev work). Sorry
[15:33] <meetingology> -1 insufficient non-SRU uploads (or evidence of other core-dev work). Sorry received from jbicha
[15:33] <rbasak> Is that everyone?
[15:33] <rbasak> #endvote
[15:33] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Approve ddstreet's core dev application
[15:33] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:4 Abstentions:1
[15:33] <meetingology> Motion denied
[15:33] <rbasak> My detailed reasons:
[15:33] <rbasak> I'm OK in principle with granting core dev for the purposes of landing bugfixes in packages in main in the development release, without having wider experience that I'd normally expect from a core dev applicant, if that is going to unblock progress. However, in that case, I'd expect a strong application. In this case, you have only five sponsored uploads in the past twelve months, which perhaps is
[15:34] <rbasak> only just on the line of demonstrating need, and no endorsements from any of your recent sponsors for this class of uploads. For this reason, I'm afraid I'm -1 for now. I welcome a reapplication once you have some of: a higher rate of sponsored uploads to the development release; strong endorsements from your sponsors for this type of upload.
[15:34] <rbasak> I wrote up some general personal opinions on what I look for in a core dev application here, which I hope will also help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobieBasak/DMB/CoreDev
[15:34] <rbasak> FWIW, no endorsements from sponsors for uploads directly related to the application means an automatic -1 from me, without an exceptional reason.
[15:34] <rbasak> Nothing to do with "moar".
[15:36] <rbasak> ddstreet: sorry we couldn't approve your application on this occasion. But we do appreciate your work, and hope you will continue with sponsorship for the time being. We welcome you to apply again once the concerns raised here have been addressed.
[15:36] <ddstreet> yep, already rescheduled myself for 2 wks from now :)
[15:36] <jbicha> I know it's pretty discouraging to be told "no" here, but please do work on strengthening your application & apply again in a few months
[15:36] <jbicha> lol
[15:36] <ddstreet> jbicha it's really no surprise at all - been thru this already with sru-devel application
[15:37] <rbasak> Could a DMB member volunteer to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Actions_after_an_unsuccessful_application please?
[15:37] <rbasak> I guess I'll do it
[15:37] <rbasak> #action rbasak to close ddstreet's application
[15:37] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to close ddstreet's application
[15:38] <rbasak> #subtopic Tiago Daitx
[15:38] <jbicha> thanks, I was too slow
[15:38] <rbasak> tdaitx: hello! Thank you for your patience.
[15:38] <rbasak> Please could you introduce yourself?
[15:38] <tdaitx> hi! I'm Tiago Daitx. My core dev application is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TiagoDaitx/CoreDeveloperApplication
[15:38] <tdaitx> I have been on the Ubuntu Foundations team for a bit over 3 years now
[15:38] <tdaitx> when I joined I barely had any experience with packaging - which is pretty unusual for foundations
[15:39] <tdaitx> what I had was experience with openjdk and thus my main focus was on openjdk maintenance and security updates
[15:39] <tdaitx> that includes backporting security patches from newer openjdk versions
[15:39] <tdaitx> and of course packaging
[15:39] <tdaitx> on that side I have worked on openjdk-6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and now 11, from precise to disco, including the openjdk migration from 8 to 9/10/11
[15:40] <tdaitx> in addition to that I have helped on merges, FTBFS and autopkgtest fixes, srus, and a few migrations
[15:40] <tdaitx> that said I don't recall ever dealing with a NBS
[15:40] <cyphermox> it's not as much an issue with things being in proposed.
[15:40] <cyphermox> (in a way, it is, but not quite as when the docs were written)
[15:41] <tdaitx> so my sponsors have requested me to go and ask for coredev
[15:41] <jbicha> I'm curious about the status of the openjdk-11 transition for bionic
[15:41] <tdaitx> jbicha: I have a list of packages that need to be sru before openjdk-11
[15:42] <jbicha> do you have a tracker bug for it?
[15:42] <tdaitx> after bootstraping those I can move to openjdk-11 itself
[15:42] <tdaitx> and the other packages
[15:42] <tdaitx> currently it is being tracked in a trello card
[15:43] <tdaitx> I was working on the openjdk-8 and openjdk-10 fixes after a regression from the last security update
[15:43] <jbicha> is that a public card? do you have a link? (sorry for perhaps going a bit off-topic here)
[15:43] <tdaitx> and also the openjdk-7 security update
[15:43] <tdaitx> I don't think it is public, it is under the foundations team board
[15:43] <tdaitx> let me check
[15:44] <jbicha> ok, no problem today if it's not public
[15:44] <tdaitx> yeah, it is not
[15:44] <jbicha> I guess my context was user complaints in bug 1796027
[15:44] <tdaitx> with the security updates out of the way I will start now moving into the migration
[15:46] <tdaitx> jbicha: yeah, I am aware of that, but first we had to deal with getting openjdk-11 in cosmic
[15:46] <tdaitx> and all the security updates out
[15:46] <tdaitx> for now I have updated openjdk-lts (openjdk-10) in bionic with the security patches from 11.0.1
[15:46] <rbasak> Am I right in thinking this is an application to go direct to core dev - you can't currently upload anything directly?
[15:46] <tdaitx> so security wise openjdk-lts in cosmic is good
[15:47] <tdaitx> rbasak: you are correct
[15:47] <tdaitx> I never applied for openjdk upload rights because all uploads go through the security team anyway
[15:48] <tdaitx> and apart from it there is no particular package that I work on, I just look at whats broken and where people need some help
[15:49] <tdaitx> I considered motu, but I was told by sponsors/people on my team to go directly to coredev, which is understandable as it covers various packages we work on
[15:49] <rbasak> Have you ever handled a transition?
[15:50] <jbicha> no more questions from me
[15:50] <tdaitx> yes, altought it it has been some time
[15:50] <tdaitx> I helped on the gcc5 transition
[15:51] <rbasak> Can you tell me how you might detect if an upload might trigger a transition, and what you'd do if you find that to be the case?
[15:52] <tdaitx> what I recall is that abi/api changes which require a new lib version which will end up causing a transition
[15:53] <tdaitx> so every package that (build-)deps on it will need to be rebuild
[15:53] <tdaitx> and possibility fixed if there are incompatibilities
[15:54] <rbasak> OK. Good answer from the technical side. But what about the coordination side? What would you do to coordinate it?
[15:55] <tdaitx> well, first making sure the teams that have packages which would need to go through the transition know about it
[15:55] <tdaitx> then discuss it and make sure there is consensus on how to approach it
[15:55] <rbasak> OK thanks
[15:55] <rbasak> I have one final question.
[15:56] <rbasak> For a jump-straight-to-core-dev application, it seems to me that you have very few endorsements, given that you have a wide range of core dev sponsors many of whom are on your team at Canonical.
[15:56] <rbasak> Is there a reason for this? Have you asked for more endorsements?
[15:56] <rbasak> Or is there some expectation that more endorsements weren't necessary?
[15:57] <tdaitx> I did ask for the endorsements on my team's channel and also for a few other people I worked with
[15:57] <tdaitx> I didn't really go around pushing people for it, I assumed 3 would be good enough
[15:57] <tdaitx> for which 2 are from my team
[15:58] <rbasak> OK, thanks.
[15:58] <rbasak> Everyone ready to vote?
[15:58] <slashd> o/
[15:58] <slashd> rbasak, yes I'm here
[15:58] <sil2100> I have one last question
[15:58] <rbasak> Sure
[15:59] <sil2100> tdaitx: did you have any experience in parsing update_output?
[15:59] <slashd> sorry need to change my calendar since I have move the time in Canada
[15:59] <tdaitx> no experience in actually parsing it, i have looked at it
[16:00] <sil2100> tdaitx: when would you consult update_output usually? Do you know any use-case of it?
[16:02] <tdaitx> so I usually go for update_excuses, I remember using update_output very fews times, but that was about 2 years back
[16:04] <tdaitx> I think it was about the gcc5 transition
[16:04] <tdaitx> sil2100: can't really remember why I needed it though, sorry
[16:04] <tdaitx> I had steve helping me back then
[16:05] <sil2100> tdaitx: yeah, during those it might also be useful - usually when a package is marked as 'valid candidate' but doesn't want to migrate due to some strange uninstallability issue
[16:05] <cyphermox> ready to vote?
[16:05] <sil2100> Yep, ready
[16:06] <rbasak> #vote approve tdaitx's core dev application
[16:06] <meetingology> Please vote on: approve tdaitx's core dev application
[16:06] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[16:06] <rbasak> -1 I'm generally satisfied with everything I've seen, but I'm concerned about the lack of endorsements from the majority of your recent sponsors, especially for a jump straight to core dev which makes sense in your case but I think still requires a stronger-than-normal application. Get positive endorsements from your recent sponsors please; if they are in support of your application this shouldn't
[16:06] <meetingology> -1 I'm generally satisfied with everything I've seen, but I'm concerned about the lack of endorsements from the majority of your recent sponsors, especially for a jump straight to core dev which makes sense in your case but I think still requires a stronger-than-normal application. Get positive endorsements from your recent sponsors please; if they are in support of your application this shouldn't received from rbasak
[16:06] <rbasak> be difficult. If they aren't in support of your application, then that is cause for concern.
[16:06] <cyphermox> +1
[16:06] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[16:06] <tsimonq2> +1
[16:06] <meetingology> +1 received from tsimonq2
[16:06] <jbicha> +1 thanks for your Java work
[16:06] <meetingology> +1 thanks for your Java work received from jbicha
[16:07] <tdaitx> jbicha: thanks =)
[16:07] <tsimonq2> slashd?
[16:07] <tdaitx> rbasak: ack, I will look into that
[16:07] <rbasak> FWIW, with endorsements from others in your team I'll be an automatic +1
[16:08] <rbasak> It's down to slashd I think as to whether you'll need to do that.
[16:09] <slashd> give me 1 minute to read down, sorry I'm late with due to the time change
[16:09] <rbasak> np
[16:12] <slashd> +1 based on what I read above, I don't want to take much time, as I'm the one being late to the party
[16:12] <meetingology> +1 based on what I read above, I don't want to take much time, as I'm the one being late to the party received from slashd
[16:12] <rbasak> I think that's everyone here.
[16:12] <sil2100> +1
[16:12] <meetingology> +1 received from sil2100
[16:12] <rbasak> Or not
[16:12] <sil2100> (otherwise we'd have to wait for those that are absent)
[16:13] <rbalint> rbasak, i have not sponsored uploads from tdaitx but from following his work and interactions on irc and email i'd give a +1
[16:13] <rbasak> Now it is with only one absent team member I think?
[16:13] <rbasak> rbalint: thanks! I think maybe it doesn't matter now?
[16:13] <rbasak> #endvote
[16:13] <meetingology> Voting ended on: approve tdaitx's core dev application
[16:13] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0
[16:13] <meetingology> Motion carried
[16:13] <tsimonq2> Congrats. :)
[16:13] <rbasak> Yes it can't be overturned by -1 from absent members.
[16:13] <tdaitx> \o/
[16:13] <rbasak> Congrats tdaitx! Thank you for your work!
[16:13] <rbalint> tdaitx, \o/ :-)
[16:13] <tdaitx> omg thanks folks!
[16:14] <rbasak> Can a DMB member volunteer for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Actions_after_a_successful_application please?
[16:14]  * tsimonq2 raises hand
[16:14] <rbasak> Thanks!
[16:14] <rbasak> #action tsimonq2 to make ACL changes for tdaitx's successful application
[16:14] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 to make ACL changes for tdaitx's successful application
[16:14] <rbasak> #action tsimonq2 to announce tdaitx's successful application
[16:14] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 to announce tdaitx's successful application
[16:15] <tsimonq2> AOB now? :)
[16:15] <tsimonq2> (I have an item.)
[16:15] <rbasak> Nearly
[16:15] <rbasak> #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign
[16:15] <rbasak> Anything there?
[16:15] <tsimonq2> Ahh.
[16:16] <rbasak> There's Aron's packageset request
[16:16] <rbasak> And vala-panel from Martin
[16:17] <rbasak> And general packageset update requests, eg. Rik.
[16:17] <rbasak> Any volunteers?
[16:17] <cyphermox> volunteers to respond?
[16:17] <rbasak> To handle those requests, yes
[16:19] <cyphermox> yup, sure
[16:19] <rbasak> Thanks!
[16:19] <rbasak> #action cyphermox to handle the recent three packageset requests
[16:19] <meetingology> ACTION: cyphermox to handle the recent three packageset requests
[16:19] <rbasak> #topic AOB
[16:19] <rbasak> tsimonq2: over to you.
[16:19] <tsimonq2> Quick (slightly offtopic) question that someone here might know the answer to.
[16:19] <tsimonq2> Where does the udevbot code live? cyphermox proposed on ubuntu-devel a month or two back that +1 maintenance could be done in the patch pilot style as well (plus sponsoring, FTBFS, etc.) so it'd be good to have a key for it.
[16:19] <tsimonq2> It's DMBish in nature.
[16:20] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: not really
[16:20] <cyphermox> it's not owned by the DMB anyway
[16:20] <rbasak> I'm not sure the current DMB people will know :-/
[16:20] <cyphermox> that's up to the IRC team really.
[16:20] <rbasak> I guess out of scope for this meeting then.
[16:20] <tsimonq2> Got it. I'll continue asking around then, I think...
[16:20] <rbasak> Try #ubuntu-devel more generally maybe?
[16:20] <rbasak> Any other AOB?
[16:20] <tsimonq2> rbasak: I did a few days ago.
[16:21] <rbasak> Keep trying :)
[16:21] <tsimonq2> OK :)
[16:21] <rbasak> Or email ubuntu-devel@ maybe?
[16:21] <tsimonq2> Good ideam
[16:21] <tsimonq2> s/m/./
[16:21] <rbasak> OK, thanks all! The next meeting will be in two weeks at 1900 UTC.
[16:21] <rbasak> #endmeeting
[16:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Nov 19 16:21:39 2018 UTC.
[16:21] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-11-19-15.01.moin.txt
[16:21] <tsimonq2> o/
[16:22] <tsimonq2> Thanks rbasak


 I assume you like his interpretation?
[13:03] <rick_h_> woot, first bookie commit from the tablet
[13:03] <rick_h_> and double woot for a new contributor
[13:52] <snap-l> jrwren: It works for me, but I'm not a piano snob
[14:09] <snap-l> I have no idea what too much rubato is. :)
[17:22] <derekv> http://www.theonion.com/articles/my-computer-totally-hates-me-vs-god-do-i-hate-that,11538/
[19:32] <snap-l> I really, really hate Windows XP
[19:32] <snap-l> More importantly, I hate whomever decided to not ship device drivers for different hardware.
[19:33] <snap-l> So now I have a copy of my parent's machine that won't boot because it's in a virtual machine
[19:34] <snap-l> It gets to mup.sys, and promptly shits
[20:02] <dzho> everytime I add a network printer to someone's win box, I have similar dark thoughts.
[20:02] <dzho> why tf couldn't they have just put generic ps and pcl drivers in there?
[20:08] <rick_h_> the thing is that windows XP is OLD! Linux or even OSX from that long ago (...what year did OSX come out?) would also suck
[20:27] <derekv> windows is bs.
[20:27] <derekv> simply BS
[20:32] <derekv> frankly the reason for its popularity is largely due to ms office
[20:33] <derekv> I use OS/2
[20:33] <derekv> much better =p
[20:39] <derekv> trying to figure out why i keep getting charged like .45c/mo from aws when the panel reports i got no instances and nothing in s3
[21:01] <dzho> OS/2!
[21:02] <dzho> rick_h_: you know, PCL and PS are even older.
[21:02] <dzho> and, last time I had this experience it was on something newer than XP
[21:02] <dzho> win 7 I think
[21:28] <rick_h_> dzho: I did mean more for snap-l and the install issues
[21:28] <rick_h_> dzho: for printing yea, everyone wants a special driver that puts a pretty special UX in front of the user and comes with some lovely branding for you to get advertised through
[21:48] <derekv> open letter anyone who makes an app/application for steaming audio and does not provide a place to tweak buffering settings-> your app is BS.
[21:48] <derekv> (this includes iTunes)
[21:53] <derekv> also i frequently regret having bought this ipad when i think of how much it costs compaired to a nexus7
[21:54] <derekv> like i'd rather program for ios than actually use it =p
[21:54] <derekv> the way that apps are so isolated seems a bit dumb, like almost you are stepping back to dos days
[22:50] <snap-l> rick_h_: understood, but ffs you would hope it wouldn't take a complete dump just because you replaced the machine.
[22:50] <snap-l> i find that line of thinking rerprehensoble
[22:54] <snap-l> But, on the plus side, it got my parents to consider using a Virtual machine.
[22:54] <snap-l> So that's a plus
[22:59] <derekv> anyone used carbonite
[23:00] <derekv> rates look reasonable
[23:00] <snap-l> derekv: I have not, but TWIT advertises them
[23:00] <snap-l> So at least they pass some of the twit muster
[23:00] <derekv> sure
[23:00] <snap-l> That said, they advertised the Drobo like crazy, and now they don't.
[23:01] <derekv> they sure like spinright
[23:01] <derekv> feel like its half the show
[23:01] <derekv> this week in spinright is awesome
[23:02] <derekv> the whole twit podcasts thing sortof not my favorite, good guys but they are long winded, they tend to explain things in a pretty good way but take a long time to do it
[23:02] <derekv> then they talk about spinright and other sponsers a lot and i just can't take it for 2hrs
[23:03] <derekv> i usually learn stuff when i listen but feel like it should be 45 minutes not 2hr
[23:06] <snap-l> Spinrite is pretty good, though
[23:06] <snap-l> and that's how Steve Gibson makes his money
[23:52] <derekv> https://myblogtest.telegr.am/
[23:52] <derekv> static site generator based (hoisted) hosting service


[13:59] <Chex> cyphermox: morning sir.. gearing up for release?
[14:13] <cyphermox> yeap.
[16:30] <Chex> fun, good luck.


 Hey! I have the basic draft of grub theme ready. where should I upload it so that you guys can also see it?
 @tsimonq2 wxl:
 Hey! I was trying to import an openpgp key into my launchpad account. I have created the key. but I can't publish it to keyserver. Can anyone help?
 So here's what I did till now:
 I ran 'gpg —ful-generate-key' … Followed the instructions, got the key. … opened seahorse, I can find my key there under pgp keys. … selected 'sync and publish keys' option from menu. Selected the ubuntu keyserver. and hit 'sync' But then the synchronising dialogue box opens up and then seahorse closes abruptly. I don't know i
 nevertheless, I tried importing its fingerprint into my account. The launcpad page says that I will recieve a mail for further instructions but I didn't.
 any suggestions appreciated. @kc2bez @HMollerCl ??
[19:47] <kc2bez> I have never used Seahorse so I can't help you there. I followed this guide and it worked fine for me https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> I have never used Seahorse so I can't help you there. I followed this g …], Thanks! I followed the steps. Also, entered the fingerprint of key in my launcpad account. Will wait for email with further instructions.
[23:18] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker re: grub theme, where's it at currently?
[23:18] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker re: pgp key you should get something pretty darn quick. if you don't check in at #launchpad