[00:00] <tgrundl1> bsinder: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45544/
[00:01] <bsnider_> well it got an ip address
[00:02] <bsnider_> can you ping google.com?
[00:02] <milosz> is ALSA known to be buggy atm?
[00:03] <tgrundl1> yes, and i can bring it up in a browser, but other website, apt, and aMSN timeout
[00:03] <anubis> uhm, can Intrpeid play mp3s?
[00:03] <anubis> because I can't get it to
[00:21] <Neon_lights> -poke- anyone here that could lend me some help? [:
[00:23] <Neon_lights> I was just wondering whether if my nVidia drivers are supposed to be freaking out with anything 3D accelerated and giving green and purple bars everywhere.
[00:23] <Neon_lights> or if I should file a bug. xD
[00:25] <anubis> uhm, can Intrpeid play mp3s?
[00:30] <literal> yes, if you install the appropriate codec
[00:30] <literal> same as with any other ubuntu release
[00:31] <anubis> so if clever smartasses like ourselves already had the codec installed and no sound then what?
[00:31] <anubis> sound form streaming lastfm, but no sound from mp3s?
[00:33] <Neon_lights> sounds like a pulseaudio problem to me.
[01:08] <EagleScreen> Kubuntu Intrepid shows the desktop of my last session when it is starting session, inclusive after rebooting
[01:26] <mib_lhfac4> Someone know the correct alternative of "update-manager -d" for kubuntu?
[01:26] <RAOF> mib_lhfac4: do-release-upgrade should work (and is CLI), but I don't know the Kubuntu version
[01:27] <mib_lhfac4> i should go in intrepid
[01:27] <mib_lhfac4> now i'm in ubuntu hardy heron
[01:27] <mib_lhfac4> and do-release-upgrade said:
[01:27] <mib_lhfac4> Checking for a new ubuntu release No new release found
[01:27] <RAOF> You'd need to pass -d as well.
[01:28] <mib_lhfac4> yeah work, thanks!!!! :-)
[01:47] <shadowhywind> hay all, not sure of this is an intrepid issue or not.. but in order to get my wireless card to work (ndiswrapper), I have to restart dbus first? is this normal?
[01:48] <RAOF> shadowhywind: Restarting dbus is probably restarting network manager & HAL & friends, which will then pick up your new (to the kernel) hardware.
[01:49] <RAOF> That's not the best behaviour, so it might be worth filing a bug if you can reproduce this.
[01:49] <shadowhywind> but even if the wireless card is on from boot?
[01:50] <shadowhywind> any ideas on a fix? or something i can try so i can more info to the bug report
[01:50] <RAOF> shadowhywind: Depends on what "on" means; the kernel doesn't know about it properly until ndiswrapper has loaded, and has the right windows driver wrapped, and loaded the firmware, etc.
[01:50] <RAOF> If NM is getting loaded before all that happens, it may not pick up your card.
[01:51] <RAOF> So, it seems you've already identified a fix; restart dbus.
[01:51] <shadowhywind> the only issue that i have with restarting dbus, is that i lost like half the items in my systray
[01:51] <RAOF> You could narrow this down by just restarting the network manager services; I believe they live in /etc/dbus/event.d
[01:52] <shadowhywind> so perhaps running the network restart command might help?
[01:52] <RAOF> Right.
[01:54] <carandraug> I also have a problem with ndiswrapper since I updated to Intrepid. I have to stop NetworkManager (even though it's disable in the list of startup services), ifdown my network. Only after this Am I able to remove the ndiswrapper module. After reinserting the module I finally get internet
[01:56] <shadowhywind> ok so /etc/init.d/networking restart looks like it didn't work
[01:57] <RAOF> Yes, that's not network manager.
[01:57] <RAOF> The network manager things live in /etc/dbus/event.d, or something.
[01:57] <shadowhywind> i have a dbus-1 but nothin inside of event.d
[01:58] <RAOF> Hm.  Or they did.  They don't seem to now :)
[01:58] <shadowhywind> perhaps system.d
[01:58] <RAOF> Heh.  They seem to be in system.d now
[01:59] <shadowhywind> so which one do i have to restart and how?
[01:59] <Joeb454> anybody around?
[01:59] <shadowhywind> nioe hehe
[01:59] <shadowhywind> nope**
[01:59] <RAOF> shadowhywind: I'm not sure anymore; this has changed since last I fiddled with it.
[01:59] <carandraug> it resides in /etc/init.d/NetworkManager . i have to stop it first to be able to fix my wireless connection with ndiswrapper
[01:59] <Joeb454> lol
[02:00] <Joeb454> Just wondering if anybody knew why the username thing on the top gnome panel always tells me I'm offline
[02:00] <shadowhywind> carandraug: so you have the same issue then huh?
[02:00] <RAOF> Bah!  I should have paid more attention; /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart is probably your winner.
[02:00] <shadowhywind> Joeb454: sorry i don't use gnome so can't help yah
[02:00] <Joeb454> psh
[02:00] <Joeb454> lol
[02:01] <shadowhywind> ok going to give it a try, so brb
[02:01] <carandraug> shadowhywind: not sure what's your issue. I came into the room in the middle of your talk. I solved mine by running half a dozen commands. Stop Network manager, ifdown wireless interface, remove ndiswrapper module and reinserting the module
[02:02] <milos_> Joeb454, how do you connect to internet, with Network-manager or with 'pon connection'?
[02:03] <Joeb454> milos_, network manager I think (whatever's the default for connecting to wifi)
[02:04] <milos_> Joeb454, i had similar problems when I am connected from terminal, but your problem is another issue
[02:05] <Joeb454> hmm, it's not really a problem, but it is annoying
[02:05] <shadowhywind_> well that quiet didn't work
[02:08] <carandraug> shadowhywind: I don't think you got my message. You logged out first
[02:08] <carandraug> shadowhywind: not sure what's your issue. I came into the room in the middle of your talk. I solved mine by running half a dozen commands. Stop Network manager, ifdown wireless interface, remove ndiswrapper module and reinserting the module
[02:08] <shadowhywind> oh hehe
[02:09] <shadowhywind> well in anycase sounds like i am going to get stuck with a few commands, i might as well stay with restarting dbus
[02:09] <DanaG> Oooh, the gnome packagekit thingy doesn't freeze on retrieving changelogs like the old updater did!
[02:10] <DanaG> Oh, and in addition: it doesn't show the WRONG item if you scroll quickly, unlike the old update-manager (which DID show the wrong things).
[02:11] <DanaG> The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork!
[02:11] <DanaG> hah.
[02:14] <shadowhywind> oh! new updates and there are some network-manager updates! maybe they will fix the issues
[02:15] <carandraug> shadowhywind: they didn't fix mine :p
[02:15] <shadowhywind> oh
[02:15] <shadowhywind> i wish they would post the new kernel.. hopeing that one will fix the last broken kernel for me. hehe
[02:16] <ToHellWithGA> is there any plan to fix the incorrect rate setting in the rt2x00 modules?
[02:16] <ToHellWithGA> since gutsy, wireless chipsets on the rt2x00 module have defaulted to a 1Mbps rate
[02:16] <ToHellWithGA> it's a known problem that can be fixed by running "sudo iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M"
[02:17] <carandraug> shadowhywind: I have problems with the latest kernel (because of my graph card) so I have to use Hardy's kernel
[02:17] <ToHellWithGA> i was a little put off when i reset my computer running this bleeding-edge ubuntu version and it still had a bug that's been present since gutsy
[02:18] <ToHellWithGA> carandraug: what video card is that?
[02:18] <shadowhywind> carandraug: does your stop like a second into it and say kernel reallyy alive?
[02:18] <carandraug> ToHellWithGA: ATI Radeon 9600XT
[02:18] <ToHellWithGA> bummer
[02:19] <ToHellWithGA> brb
[02:19] <carandraug> shadowhywind: no. I just can't get anything there. I plan on try to check what's happening next week (I can't risk not having the computer working unntil Monday 5pm)
[02:19] <shadowhywind> ah
[02:20] <carandraug> shadowhywind: Only resolution I get with it is 640*430 or something like that
[02:20] <shadowhywind> now thats bad
[02:21] <shadowhywind> also anyone fimiliar with the konsole in kde 4.1?
[02:23] <DanaG> yay:
[02:23] <DanaG>     - Avoid gnome-wm launching itself in loop
[02:23] <DanaG>     - Remove required components from the default session
[02:23] <DanaG> So is that why I kept getting a freeze?
[02:26] <DanaG> New version of gvfs:  - Go back to using powers of 10 instead of powers of 2 for display sizes.      This means we will agree with printed sizes for most devices (e.g. memory      sticks will now correctly report "64MB volume" instead of previous      "61.7MB volume").
[02:26] <DanaG> (also points out how annoying hard-wrapped text files can be.
[02:26] <DanaG> )
[02:59] <MightyTweek> Has anyone successfully built SVN mplayer on Intrepid?
[03:00] <RAOF> Probably.
[03:00] <RAOF> But you're likely to get a better response to your actual question by asking it :)
[03:00] <bsnider> RAOF,  try out the new pulseaudio yet?
[03:00] <bsnider> and for that matter the new kernel
[03:01] <RAOF> Yes to both; neither help my hda_intel buffer underrun problem.
[03:01] <bsnider> huh
[03:01] <MightyTweek> RAOF: point well taken. My question: How can I get SVN mplayer to build successfully on Intrepid? :D
[03:01] <bsnider> even with luke's newer alsa-lib packages?
[03:01] <RAOF> Yes.  Now trying with alsa-driver 1.1.18rc3
[03:02] <bsnider> how bad is the problem?
[03:02] <MightyTweek> Seriously, though. Doing a ./configure seems to work just fine, but when I run make, nothing gets built.
[03:02] <RAOF> MightyTweek: Better, but not quite there yet :).  For me to help I'd need to know what you've tried, and where it's failing :)
[03:02] <RAOF> That seems pretty strange.
[03:02] <bsnider> MightyTweek, you do have build-essential and that crap installed?
[03:03] <RAOF> bsnider: Annoying; several tiny hickups/pops in the music over the course of a song.
[03:03]  * RAOF restarts to load the new alsa drivers.
[03:03] <tretle> why isnt cheese available in ubuntu when it was included as part of gnome core since 2.22
[03:03] <tretle> ?
[03:04] <MightyTweek> RAOF: Yes, I have build-essential and all of the other prerequs installed as far as I can tell.
[03:04] <bsnider> i asked you that actually
[03:08] <RAOF> tretle: It _is_ available in Ubuntu.
[03:09] <RAOF> tretle: I'm fairly sure it's installed by default.
[03:09] <RAOF> tretle: Sorry, I'm lying.  It's not installed by default, but it is in Ubuntu (at least intrepid).  Cheese 2.22.3-0ubuntu2 (universe)
[03:10] <tretle> shouldnt it be installed by default seeing as its part of gnome now
[03:12] <MightyTweek> RAOF: I've pastebinned the output of make -d here if that helps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45590. Warning: it's 107,444 lines long :)
[03:12] <RAOF> Ubuntu-desktop isn't the same as the default gnome desktop.
[03:12] <IdleOne> is this the appropriate channel to get some help with clamTK?
[03:13] <RAOF> MightyTweek: Dunno.  Can I have the output without -d? :)
[03:17] <MightyTweek> RAOF: Without the -d, make produces no output. make clean does the expected deletion of files. Occasionally when I've done an svn up and tried a make after that some stuff has gotten built, but never the mplayer executable
[03:18] <RAOF> MightyTweek: What, _no_ output at all?
[03:19] <MightyTweek> RAOF: correct.
[03:19] <bsnider> are you able to build anything else?
[03:19] <RAOF> MightyTweek: Isn't it great that the mplayer devs are so cool as to build their own buildsystem? :(
[03:20] <bsnider> i guess you're being sarcastic there
[03:20] <RAOF> Well spotted.
[03:20] <MightyTweek> RAOF: they're a different bunch, it's true
[03:22] <IdleOne> need some help with clamtk. I have scanned my computer and the results show 3 viruses found but when I click on Quarantine it says no items quarantined.Click on maintenance and I see cache,cache.VIRUS,gdm and gdm.VIRUS . I am not sure what to do now but this has me worried. running ubuntu 8.10 alpha5. any advice?
[03:22] <IdleOne> yes I asked in #clamav also. no response
[03:23] <RAOF> IdleOne: They're almost certainly false-positives.  What are you worried about?
[03:23] <IdleOne> RAOF: 3 viruses found on my Ubuntu system? I want to know what they are and why they are there
[03:23] <RAOF> Or, indeed, if they are virusesss.
[03:24] <IdleOne> RAOF: do you have any file named gdm.VIRUS on your system??
[03:24] <IdleOne> RAOF: yes that too
[03:24] <bsnider> MightyTweek, try building the aurora gtk theme
[03:24] <MightyTweek> RAOF: Okay, if I do a ./configure --enable-gui and then make, then I get a bunch of output of stuff being built. (I did a ./configure without the --enable-gui before.) It looks like it's just .d files that are being built though, and if I do a make clean and then a make again, nothing happens again, presumably because make clean isn't cleaning up the .d files
[03:24] <RAOF> MightyTweek: I'd suggest bugging upstream.  It sounds like their spiffy build system's broken.
[03:25] <tretle> they probably are... it doesnt mean that they will affect your system but they might travel around your wireless setup to windows pcs
[03:26] <IdleOne> tretle: so then I should not worry? you say that like it's ok that my Ubuntu system could possibly infect the 3 other windows system I have on my home network
[03:26] <mneptok> IdleOne: how would Ubuntu infect them?
[03:26] <MightyTweek> RAOF: I've been watching the mailing list and haven't heard of anyone else having problems, but I might post a question there
[03:27] <tretle> well its not as bad as the virus infecting the host and the other pcs around the network
[03:27] <MightyTweek> bsnider: how do I do that, and what will it do?
[03:27] <tretle> look on the bright side after all
[03:27] <IdleOne> mneptok: tretle reply. implied that they could travel over wifi?
[03:27] <bsnider> MIghtif it works, it would virtually eliminate your own system as a possible cause of the problem
[03:27] <mneptok> IdleOne: hardly likely.
[03:27] <tretle> samba shares would be a way that they could travel
[03:28] <bsnider> MightyTweek,  if it works, it would virtually eliminate your own system as a possible cause of the problem
[03:28] <IdleOne> mneptok: ok let's assume they are false positives. how do I make certain that is what they are?
[03:28] <MightyTweek> bsnider: ah, I see. Good idea. Do you have the command to check out the source handy?
[03:28] <mneptok> IdleOne: look for gdm.VIRUS in a virus DB? SANS?
[03:28] <bsnider> http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/56438-Aurora-1.4.tar.bz2
[03:28] <bsnider> there's the course
[03:28] <bsnider> source
[03:28] <MightyTweek> bsnider: thanks
[03:29] <bsnider> just run the configure script make and make install
[03:29] <bsnider> if it works, blame mplayer
[03:29] <bsnider> works for me
[03:30] <bsnider> MightyTweek, you'll need the libgtk2.0-dev package too
[03:30] <IdleOne> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=778659&highlight=gdm.virus mneptok according to this post it is a virus but not a gdm virus
[03:32] <mneptok> IdleOne: did you actually click the associated link or read the rest of the thread?
[03:32] <mneptok> the Secunia link goes nowhere, and the OP says it's 100% a false positive.
[03:32] <IdleOne> the secunia link returns 0 results for gdm.virus
[03:33] <IdleOne> mneptok: ok then I will mark it as a false positive. now I also have a cache.VIRUS, cache,gdm that are shown
[03:33] <mneptok> deduce, Watson ...
[03:33] <mneptok> :)
[03:34] <bsnider> you can avoid this problem by not running virus scanners
[03:34] <mneptok> whoa.
[03:34] <mneptok> weird. i was *just* going to say something equivalent.
[03:34] <IdleOne> bsnider: lol ok then
[03:34] <bsnider> the recent windows refugees are so paranoid
[03:35] <MightyTweek> bsnider: That seemed to build fine. Guess it's something weird with mplayer's configure script
[03:35] <IdleOne> I am not a recent windows refugee I have been running Ubuntu for 3 years and on a whim I decided to run a scan
[03:35] <mneptok> IdleOne: what has ClamAV done for you except waste a temendous amount of your life?
[03:35] <mneptok> +r
[03:36] <bsnider> MightyTweek, or a problem with their svn files. maybe some are missing or something like that
[03:36] <IdleOne> mneptok: k I get what you guys are saying. uninstall clamav and be safe in the knowledge that my system is safe
[03:36] <bsnider> it is indeed. very much so
[03:36] <mneptok> IdleOne: uninstall ClamAV, and be judicious about how you open attachments and other such things. you'll be safer than with ClamAV, *and* have one free weekend per year in saved time.
[03:36] <burner> assuming you dont' have bad ssl certs ;)
[03:37] <IdleOne> mneptok: i am always careful about attachemnts and I don't install anything that is not in repos unless I know for certain it comes from a good source
[03:38] <mneptok> IdleOne: those habits are<PHONE_NUMBER>000000000% more effective than is ClamAV
[03:38] <bsnider> not that we're trashing clamav or antyhing
[03:39] <bsnider> i mean it's not like it identifies false positives
[03:39] <mneptok> i wonder if when cars debuted, new owners asked, "How do I get this thing inoculated against hoof and mouth disease? I always had to do that with my horses."
[03:39] <IdleOne> lol
[03:39]  * IdleOne has all his shots and a few I wish I didn't
[03:39] <bsnider> i'm not sure microsloth would agree with that analogy
[03:39] <bsnider> linux is to windows what cars were to hroses?
[03:40] <IdleOne> that seems pretty accurate to me
[03:40] <mneptok> bsnider: more like "Linux is to automobile emissions what Windows is to horse emissions."
[03:40] <IdleOne> hahahaha
[03:40] <bsnider> if it was, more people would be using it
[03:59] <MightyTweek> bsnider and RAOF: I managed to get mplayer to build by deleting the entire folder and re-downloading. I should have tried that in the first place, of course, but I suspect their make clean isn't really doing a thorough job
[03:59] <RAOF> MightyTweek: Heh.
[04:01] <bsnider> not to be picky, but what's wrong with the medibuntu mplayer?
[04:02] <bsnider> RAOF, did hte new alsa fix your sound issues?
[04:02] <RAOF> bsnider: No.
[04:02] <bsnider> what sound chip is it?
[04:03] <RAOF> One of the infinititude supported by hda_intel; the codec is realtek 660, IIRC.
[04:03] <MightyTweek> bsnider: I'm needing E-AC3 support, which has only just appeared in the svn version. how often is the medibuntu mlayer built?
[04:04] <bsnider> it's a few months old
[04:04] <bsnider> e-ac3? that is that?
[04:05] <MightyTweek> bsnider: it's the audio codec used on HD-DVD discs
[04:05] <gx009> dding kde to ubuntudding kde to ubuntudding kde to ubuntu
[04:05] <bsnider> dolby truehd?
[04:06] <gx009> one of you hacked me and typed that
[04:07] <gx009> but considering there are more folks in #kubuntu , i should ask there
[04:07] <IdleOne> lol yeah we are in the habit of hacking Ubuntu users and then helping them fix the issue. Like we don't have enough issues to work on
[04:08] <bsnider> i can assure you i don't care enough to hack you or anyone else
[04:08] <IdleOne> i would not even know where to begin even if i wanted to hack you and delete your pr0n collection
[04:08] <MightyTweek> bsnider: apparently it's also known as Dolby Digital Plus
[04:09] <bsnider> have they come up with a codec for dts-ma?
[04:09] <gx009> :-P
[04:10] <MightyTweek> I don't even know what that is. I just want to watch my HD-DVDs on my Linux HTPC :)
[04:12] <bsnider> well, dolby truehd is hte update to dolby digital. dts-ma - "master audio" is the update to dts
[04:12] <bsnider> and since there are no more hd dvds in production, dts-ma is hte future
[04:13] <gx009> i thought hd dvd==blueray
[04:14] <bsnider> they're 2 different things
[04:14] <bsnider> the last hd dvd that was produced was "atonement" some time ago
[04:14] <bsnider> the format is dead
[04:14] <gx009> 1080p still rules
[04:14] <bsnider> both formats have that
[04:15] <bsnider> but that has half the resolution of 35mm film
[04:15] <bsnider> so i'm looking for ward to 4k tv resolutions
[04:16] <RAOF> bsnider: You project your TV onto a screen with an area of tens of square metres? :P
[04:16] <MightyTweek> yeah, I figured I'd get a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray drive when I built my new Linux HTPC, and picked up a few HD-DVDs for cheap, since they were clearing them out... I assumed the encryption had been cracked and I could just load 'em up and go... it's been a bit more complicated :P
[04:16] <gx009> thats impossible witht he current hardware
[04:16] <MightyTweek> I'm gonna stick with DVD for awhile I think :)
[04:16] <bsnider> 4k x 2k as opposed to 2k by 1k
[04:18] <gx009> bsnider just invented a 18:16 format
[04:18] <literal> shouldn't that be 9:8 ?
[04:19] <bsnider> you invented it?
[04:19] <bsnider> patent it
[04:19] <gx009> hold on.. i gotta tell kernel not to boot up with acpi
[04:19] <ToHellWithGA> literal: i'm pretty sure it should be ~5pi by ~4pi
[04:20] <bsnider> kernels don't respond to verbal commands
[04:20] <bsnider> whent hey do, we're all in trouble
[04:20] <ToHellWithGA> we need irrational, fractional pixels
[04:20] <ToHellWithGA> i guess those two disagree
[04:20] <ToHellWithGA> irrational, transcendental pixels
[04:21] <literal> complex pixels
[04:21] <ToHellWithGA> i'd like a screen with 100pi by 100e pixels
[04:21] <gx009> that would be cool .. then you can assign fallback pixels
[04:21] <bsnider> how about toxic, explosive pixels?
[04:21] <ToHellWithGA> how about a kernel module for my wireless chipset that doesn't show a regression first identified in gutsy?
[04:21] <ToHellWithGA> i kid, i kid
[04:22] <ToHellWithGA> i like connecting at 1Mbps to my LAN from 10 feet from the router
[04:22] <ToHellWithGA> it's fun
[04:22] <bsnider> which module is that
[04:23] <ToHellWithGA> rt2x00
[04:23] <ToHellWithGA> for an rt2500 chipset
[04:23] <bsnider> realtek sucks on linux
[04:23] <ToHellWithGA> no ways
[04:24] <ToHellWithGA> it was gold on feisty and older
[04:24] <ToHellWithGA> the new free modules only suck a little
[04:24] <gx009> 2.6.27-2 only boots with acpi=off .. beam up to ...28-1 scotty.. hmm.. alsa got alittle confused about that
[04:24] <ToHellWithGA> i used that chipset with backtrack2
[04:25] <bsnider> gx009, try the new kernel
[04:25] <gx009> which new one?
[04:25] <bsnider> 2.6.27-3
[04:25] <RAOF> gx009: Is this a laptop?  Mine only boots on AC unless I pass acpi=off.
[04:25] <bsnider> it's in there
[04:25] <bsnider> check synaptic
[04:25] <gx009> yep.. laptop
[04:25]  * RAOF hasn't checked this with 2.6.27-3 yet.
[04:28] <gx009> i'll try an update from 26-2
[04:31] <DanaG> rt2x00 is not realtek.
[04:31] <DanaG> It's ralink.
[04:33] <DanaG> OH GOD, MY EYES!  http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/10/hp-shows-off-vivienne-tam-designed-digital-clutch-the-10-inch/
[04:34] <MightyTweek> well, it's fuschia
[04:35] <gx009> " a bright red 10-inch netbook"  that looks way pink to me
[04:36] <Jordan_U> DanaG: Any idea what distro it's based on?
[04:36] <DanaG> Well, the current Mini-Note uses some variant of SuSE (I didn't bother remembering which one).
[04:36] <DanaG> yast2 == gag.
[04:36] <gx009> certainly gives a new meaning to "eye candy"
[04:36] <DanaG> well, as package manager, at least.
[04:37] <ToHellWithGA> DanaG: indeedums
[04:38] <ToHellWithGA> regarding ralink, that is
[04:38] <ToHellWithGA> ralink was ace on feisty and older
[04:40] <DanaG> I set up a family friend's computer with a bcm4306 card, and kept the ralink for a spare for an old computer around here, because ralink is open-source.....
[04:41] <DanaG> but in the end, I traded the two.
[04:41] <ToHellWithGA> the ralink driver is bunk in ubuntu through
[04:41] <ToHellWithGA> s/through/though
[04:41] <DanaG> Open-source means 'jack' if it doesn't work for $INSERT_WORD_HERE.
[04:41] <DanaG> s/means/doesn't mean/
[04:41] <ToHellWithGA> it auto-sets itself to 1Mbps
[04:41] <DanaG> Lovely feature!
[04:42] <ToHellWithGA> it's way wacky that i can manually set it to 54M but it auto-sets to slow slow
[04:43] <DanaG> The b43 card also sometimes works better than my iwl3945 card.
[04:43] <milos_> has someone here ever managed to remove accidentally half of gnome with synaptic?
[04:43] <DanaG> Nope, because I check what it's going to be doing before I let it do anything.  =þ
[04:44] <gx009> accident implies no one is at fault
[04:44] <milos_> DanaG, I am also checking but I didn't this time hhhh
[04:44] <ToHellWithGA> DanaG: i bought a wireless g usb key just because of that bunk module
[04:44] <ToHellWithGA> the ralink usb module works fine with all speeds
[04:45] <ToHellWithGA> i unplugged the pci card until i read up that i could manually set the speed
[04:45]  * gx009 : gnome beats kde
[04:45] <MightyTweek> milos_: yeah, I've done that
[04:45]  * DanaG wonders which works better: b43 or ipw2200.
[04:45] <DanaG> I've got one of the latter in an old laptop around here.
[04:46] <MightyTweek> milos_: not with synaptic though, it was with apt-get IIRC
[04:46] <ToHellWithGA> lol @ "old laptop"
[04:46] <DanaG> Well, it is: toshiba 1415-s105
[04:46] <ToHellWithGA> i used that wireless usb adapter to install hardy on a 200Mhz pentium 2 laptop
[04:46] <ToHellWithGA> it was ace
[04:46] <milos_> man i was soo furious, I wanted to submit like 19 angry bug reports
[04:46] <DanaG> The wifi card is yoinked from a a friend's dead newer laptop.
[04:46] <ToHellWithGA> one usb port, 3.6GB hard drive
[04:47]  * DanaG wonders: what could you use a P2 laptop for nowadays?
[04:47] <DanaG> We've got one that's sort of abandoned in place (shoved in the back of a closet).
[04:47] <ToHellWithGA> milos_: that's what "ubuntu-desktop" is for
[04:47] <gx009> victory!! 2.6.27-3 works with no acpi=off
[04:48] <ToHellWithGA> reinstall the meta-package milos_
[04:48] <ToHellWithGA> DanaG: it's my grandmother's laptop
[04:48] <ToHellWithGA> she plays solitaire and freecell
[04:49] <gx009> those are windows games..
[04:49] <ToHellWithGA> absolutely not
[04:49] <ToHellWithGA> those a re card games
[04:49] <gx009> play gnometrix!!
[04:49] <ToHellWithGA> s/a re/are/
[04:50] <ToHellWithGA> she is 70 years old
[04:50] <ToHellWithGA> transitioning to gnome games with the same game was ok in my book
[04:50] <milos_> i have installed some packages with dbg symbols(firefox and xulruner) from http://ddebs.ubuntu.com and it removed some very important form gnome
[04:50] <ToHellWithGA> no windows 98 games for her :)
[04:51] <gx009> good.. she's still in time to witness the glory of teh linuz
[04:51] <ToHellWithGA> my poor grandfather
[04:51] <DanaG> All my family friends are too stubborn to want to switch to anything.
[04:51] <ToHellWithGA> he's getting the alzheimers
[04:51] <milos_> somehow i figured out in aptitude what was the problem
[04:51] <ToHellWithGA> it's too late to try to teach him how not to click every popup that says "click me"
[04:52] <ToHellWithGA> he's on his 5th windows xp computer
[04:52] <ToHellWithGA> he bogs them down and abandons them
[04:52] <DanaG> Adblock Plus?
[04:52] <DanaG> Free hardware?
[04:52] <milos_> ToHellWithGA, I have fix it, what a relief
[04:52] <ToHellWithGA> i refuse to do his tech support because he has a cluster of poorly-organized files he moves from one machine to the next with the help of some local computer shop
[04:53] <gx009> i have a amd k7 with Xubuntu in it..
[04:53] <ToHellWithGA> c:\work\property\jaksdf.wpd and c:\documents\personal\lksjdlfjsdlfkj.wpd
[04:53] <DanaG> Hmm, just sit back and enjoy the free hardware when he discards the old stuff?
[04:54] <ToHellWithGA> not at all
[04:54] <ToHellWithGA> i run all intel motherbaord/chipset stuff to avoid hassle
[04:55] <ToHellWithGA> i suppose i could salvage some RAM from it
[04:55] <gx009> am making that k7 into a debian 4.0 for entertainment purposes.. it still got about 700mb ram
[04:55] <DanaG> Another thing you could do: put in a dd-wrt router, run dnsmasq, and have it block the same sites that the Spybot hosts file blocks?
[04:55] <DanaG> s/\?/./
[04:56] <ToHellWithGA> the guy has been asking me for two years to help him get broadband internet
[04:56] <ToHellWithGA> i've explained it to him a few times, patiently
[04:56] <ToHellWithGA> he now has broadband in his florida home but not in his winter home
[04:56] <ToHellWithGA> it perplexes him that he can't take it with him
[04:57] <DanaG> Time for a laptop with the mobile broadband?
[04:57] <ToHellWithGA> because he has the same long distance phone service, he thinks all of it should be a choice
[04:57] <DanaG> i.e. through phone provider?
[04:57] <ToHellWithGA> yeah that wouldn't be bad
[04:57] <DanaG> s/phone/cellphone/
[04:57] <ToHellWithGA> since he is on dialup he would not find that slow
[04:57] <ToHellWithGA> he's stuck on wordperfect
[04:58] <ToHellWithGA> he refuses to learn to use MS word
[04:58] <DanaG> Bonus points for built-in instead of dongle.
[04:58] <ToHellWithGA> as much as i hate word, it's more current and more widely-used
[04:58] <ToHellWithGA> i will not be teaching him LaTeX :)
[04:58] <ToHellWithGA> bedtime for bonzo
[04:59] <ToHellWithGA> good talk y'all
[04:59] <DanaG> Heh, random thing: I set up a 6to4 tunnel thingy on my dd-wrt router, but then disabled it when I considered that it'd be essentially unfirewalled.
[04:59] <DanaG> What hardware does he get, that you won't use?
[04:59] <DanaG> You could also tell him to donate to various places, for a tax deduction or something.
[05:22]  * burner wonders what audio fixes are planned for intrepid... i still can't be playing rhythmbox and then watch a flash video at the same time
[05:27] <DanaG> I can.
[05:27] <DanaG> =þ
[06:08] <literal> I'm trying to compile an application and I'm getting "sh: o: not found"
[06:08] <literal> some Googling leads me to believe that I'm missing something related to gcc and g++
[06:08] <literal> I'm not very familiar with ubuntu's packages yet though, so I don't know what I'm missing
[06:09] <DanaG> try make SHELL=/bin/bash whatever
[06:09] <DanaG> the default shell in Ubuntu is 'dash'
[06:09] <DanaG> .... which is not able to handle 'bashisms'
[06:09] <literal> it's scons, not make :)
[06:09] <DanaG> aah, then try to export it first, instead.
[06:13]  * Jordan_U wonders why people ask for /bin/sh when they really want bash
[06:13] <literal> "export SHELL=/bin/bash" doesn't help
[06:14] <literal> and the supplied SConstruct script doesn't say anything about which shell to use, so I guess scons itself is to blame
[06:15] <literal> even changing the /bin/sh symlink doesn't help
[06:19] <DanaG> aah.
[06:19] <DanaG> Perhaps you can execute whatever interpreter it is, with some "print everything it executes" parameter.
[06:20] <literal> that would be python
[06:21] <literal> too bad I'm a Perl guy...
[06:21] <alka_trash> Hey I'm downloading Ubuntu 8.10 and I'm pretty excited - does anyone know if Pulse audio is better in this release alpha 5? well compared to hardy
[06:22] <DanaG> but anyway, man python.... it may have a way to make it print.
[06:25] <DanaG> http://product.cowon.com/product/IFA/product_page_2.php  --- yay for support for open-source formats!
[06:27]  * DanaG is not a fan of Apple.
[06:29] <literal> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/scons/scons_1.0.1-0.1_all.deb
[06:29] <literal> does this link work for anyone here?
[06:29]  * DanaG wants a USB thumb drive: http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0905
[06:56] <teratoma> what's the setting that makes nautilus make all of your folders in /home appear on your desktop ?
[06:57] <literal> /apps/nautilus/preferences/desktop_is_home_dir in gconf
[07:01]  * DanaG did that, AND symlinked Desktop to home
[07:01] <DanaG> so apps that don't respect it still work as expected.
[07:01] <DanaG> /home/dana/Desktop -> /home/dana/
[07:05] <literal> apparently all that was needed was "sudo aptitude install g++"
[07:29] <Daisuke_Ido> literal: build-essential didn't do it?
[07:35] <DanaG> What's up with the hg-mirror.alsa-project.org?
[07:35] <DanaG> No changes in 3 months.
[07:35] <DanaG> on alsa-kernel dir, that is.
[07:36] <literal> Daisuke_Ido: it would have, but I was unaware of it
[07:40] <TuTUXG> anyone is experiencing problem with connecting to a large (larger than 160G) usb hard drive?
[07:41] <literal> wait, lemme connect my 250GB drive and see
[07:42] <TuTUXG> literal, mine is a 200g 3.5 usb drive, and it's about 80% full
[07:43] <literal> 3.5" here as well, 33% full
[07:43] <literal> no problems at all
[07:43] <TuTUXG> hardy livecd mount it fine, but not with intrepid alpha 5 (either live cd or installed system)
[07:43] <literal> what filesystem?
[07:43] <literal> FAT32 here
[07:44] <TuTUXG> xfs and reiserfs
[07:44] <TuTUXG> i have two partitions
[07:45] <TuTUXG> and another one with ntfs (160) couldn't mount either
[07:45] <TuTUXG> ...
[07:46] <TuTUXG> i'm wondering if the unetboot installation screwed this up...
[07:47] <TuTUXG> the wired thing is i have another two 2.5" usb drive (both are 40g) and they all mounted fine...
[07:49] <TuTUXG> with the 3.5" one, after i connected, nothing happened, not even under /dev/
[07:52] <TuTUXG> ...
[07:55] <DanaG> what does dmesg show about it?
[07:55] <TuTUXG> DanaG, wait a sec, let me see
[07:56] <TuTUXG> [ 1438.773216] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : No Sense [current]
[07:56] <TuTUXG> [ 1438.773220] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdc] Add. Sense: No additional sense information
[07:56] <DanaG> Summarize, rather than pasting.
[07:56] <DanaG> Hmm, odd.
[07:56] <TuTUXG> it just repeats that again and again
[07:57] <TuTUXG> except the time stamps r different
[07:57] <TuTUXG> what does that mean?
[07:58] <DanaG> It means something's screwy with the enclosure attaching.
[07:59] <TuTUXG> but it mounts fine with my old hardy and hardy livecd
[07:59] <TuTUXG> and winxp... , with the ntfs one
[08:00] <TuTUXG> btw it is not sata drive, it's ide
[08:01] <TuTUXG> i mean pata
[08:09] <Arenlor> So just how (un)stable is Intrepid currently?
[08:21] <Jordan_U> Arenlor: Depends on your hardware, last I heard none of the nvidia drivers were working :)
[08:21] <Jordan_U> Arenlor: But my comp is running pretty well
[08:27] <DanaG> The 173 and 177 drivers work for me, but not the 77 and 96 drivers.
[08:32] <Arenlor> I've only got to worry about BCM43XX and fglrx drivers myself ^_^
[08:50] <clusty> hey
[08:50] <clusty> wanted to know if its worth while me crying about the fact that bluetooth does get restarted after a suspend to ram?
[08:58] <Jordan_U> clusty: Yes, check if there is already a bug filed and if not file one please.
[09:05] <clusty> Jordan_U, acceptable?
[09:05] <clusty> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez-utils/+bug/268877
[09:05] <clusty> or should say about hardware and stuff?
[09:12] <Jordan_U> clusty: Can't hurt to give info on what hardware you have, they will probably ask for it later if you don't
[09:15] <clusty> done
[09:15] <clusty> thanks
[09:18] <Jordan_U> clusty: Thank you for taking the time to report the bug :)
[09:19] <clusty> it's my pride :D
[09:19] <clusty> might be the first bug that was not reported and was not dissmissed due to lack of info :D
[12:46] <ernstp> anyone know usplash details?
[12:47] <ernstp> I'm having the problem that it starts from the initramfs, but then it quits and drops me back to the console after a while
[12:47] <ernstp> probably when the initramfs is done
[13:22] <mrxmike> hihi
[13:22] <mrxmike> vmware-tools (For guest OS) fails to install on intrepid
[13:22] <mrxmike> the kernel panics / crashes =), known problem?
[13:23] <mrxmike> 2: can i somehow become a 'professional' beta tester, together with a friend of me?
[13:23] <mrxmike> (both IT professionals, well my friend is attending computer science at uni..)
[13:26] <mrxmike> vbe_init() failed with -22, is what i get after installing vmware.. i guess that this is the vmware kernel module crashing
[13:26] <mrxmike> hmmm, actually... its not i see.
[13:27] <mrxmike> its on launchpad already i see =)
[13:34] <Ng> mrxmike: vmware is so not our problem, it's vmware's problem ;)
[13:34] <mrxmike> it sure is
[13:34] <Ng> mrxmike: as for being a "professional" beta tested, if you mean for Ubuntu there is no such thing, just test and file good bugs :)
[13:34] <mrxmike> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/v86d/+bug/189621
[13:35] <mrxmike> but there are problems with the vesa driver uvesafb
[13:35] <mrxmike> Ng: ahhh k .. well.. guess i should become a launchpadder then ;)
[13:35] <Ng> absolutely
[13:36] <Ng> also try to be responsive to bugs - often you'll get someone ask you to file some more information (hardware info, kernel messages, steps to reproduce, etc) and if you don't respond, the bug will end up expiring
[13:38] <mrxmike> Ng: sometimes people ask unnessarily more info, to just avoid to pick up on a problem
[13:38] <mrxmike> that kills..
[13:41] <mrxmike> .. uhh where's kubu on launchpad? :S
[13:44] <mrxmike> kubuntu=ubuntu with just KDE repos added? :S
[13:44] <mrxmike> i dont get it
[13:44] <dns53> the kde desktop, the repo's are common
[13:46] <mrxmike> well.. then there's a really thin line between them.......................
[13:46] <jtechidna> kubuntu=ubuntu with a different set of default software
[13:46] <mrxmike> the difference is as small a s few hundred packages then
[13:46] <jtechidna> basically KDE + KDE versions of Ubuntu-specific tools
[13:46] <mrxmike> dns53: nearly common i guess you mean
[13:46] <mrxmike> yeah k =) qt..
[13:46] <dns53> you can change between them by adding/removeing ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop
[13:47] <jtechidna> Ubuntu is basically Gnome + GTK versions of Ubuntu-specific tools
[14:00] <mrxmike> are the ubu dev teams focused as much on both
[14:01] <mrxmike> or is kubuntu a 2nd thing.. ?
[14:01] <mrxmike> my first bug report =) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/268975
[14:11] <jtechidna> mrxmike: I can reproduce your crash!
[14:11] <jtechidna> I will get a proper backtrace and report it to KDE
[14:12] <jtechidna> Thanks for helping make Kubuntu and KDE better for everyone.
[14:30] <mrxmike> jtechidna: you as well :-))
[14:32]  * jtechidna reboots to see if the new kernel fixed things
[14:32] <mrxmike> k :)
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> meh, still crashes modprobe
[15:05] <mrxmike> whats wrong? :)
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> oh, modprobe dies when I boot with the .27 kernel
[15:13] <Turski> how do i get virtualbox working in interpid, since it doesn't have correct kernel module?
[15:14] <mrxmike> you dont
[15:14] <mrxmike> i think
[15:14] <mrxmike> Turski: why run virtualbox on intrepid?
[15:15] <Turski> why not?
[15:15] <lore20> Turski:
[15:15] <lore20> u need to install another kernell
[15:16] <lore20> compile a vanilla... ore use a previous version
[15:16] <Turski> stupid :/
[15:16] <Turski> why there's no module for latest kernel?
[15:17] <mrxmike> ask #vbox
[15:17] <mrxmike> virtualbox doesnt support Alpha releases /kernels used in it i think... that will be the answer you get
[15:25] <ute> hello @ll, is there any possibility to use the nvidia-glx-96 driver pakage under 8.10 alpha5?
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> ute: nope
[15:29] <ute> would there be an option in the final or must i bury my geforce 3
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> depends on when nvidia releases an updated driver
[15:31] <ute> not very satisfying, but typically nvidia
[15:32] <flithm> hey everyone... when ibex I don't get fglrx installed by default like I did with hardy, and when I install fglrx my system gets totally hosed.  I have an older ATI card.  Does anyone know what's going on?  With Hardy compiz ran no problem but I'm having real trouble getting it to work on Ibex
[15:32] <flithm> when == with sorry
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> fglrx probably isn't compatible with the new xorg, gotta wait until ati releases an update
[15:33] <flithm> ahhh
[15:33] <flithm> gotcha
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> I think the free drivers do some 3D accell, so at least you aren't as screwed as us legacy nvidia users
[15:35] <flithm> yeah that sucks.  Nvidia's been kind going down the tubes the last year or so.  I used to say I'd never buy another ATI card but maybe that'll change
[15:35] <flithm> well I suppose it'll be AMD
[15:36] <flithm> I wonder what'll happen if there's still no fglrx ready by the time 8.10 ships.  that'll probably be messy for a lot of people
[15:37] <flithm> not to mention the nvidia legacy driver.  does nvidia even have plans to update it?
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> from what I've heard, sorta
[15:40] <flithm> well that's good :)
[15:48] <linkinxp> hello!.......how is intrepid running??
[15:48] <mrxmike> pretty Alpha, if you ask me :)
[15:48] <linkinxp> lol
[15:48] <mrxmike> its getting to the 'right way',
[15:48] <linkinxp> i guess
[15:48] <mrxmike> but not really usable as a desktop OS
[15:48] <linkinxp> i had troubles with video!
[15:49] <mrxmike> (ie. adept is not really available)
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> mrxmike: what do you mean by not really available?
[15:53] <mrxmike> well, i wasnt able to search for packages
[15:53] <mrxmike> tried to use it 5min ago it said something about 'this is not implemented yet' :S
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> oh right, you can't search by package titles yet.
[15:54] <mrxmike> JontheEchidna: so its not really usable i should say, not avalable
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> but overall adept3 is much more stable and less slow than adept2
[15:55] <jnsquire> Update manager is refusing to download the latest updates, is the repository currently broken?
[15:55] <mrxmike> tried
[15:55] <mrxmike> apt-get update first ?
[15:56] <jnsquire> Yeah
[15:56] <mrxmike> then try, apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:57] <jnsquire> OK, apt-get dist-upgrade seems to be OK.
[15:58] <mrxmike> now the 'update manager' 'popup' should be gone...
[15:58] <jnsquire> Thanks
[15:58] <mrxmike> jnsquire: doesnt the update manager try to use adept...
[15:58] <mrxmike> (which is like just said - a bit broken still..)
[15:59] <jnsquire> Dunno, haven't looked under the covers
[15:59] <mrxmike> ok
[17:00] <milosz> what's the current problems with ALSA?
[17:00] <milosz> i get no sound in Miro, and no way i try to set it up, it just doesn't work
[17:00] <milosz> the only app where it works right is my own media player but it also has a quite advanced config for ALSA
[17:01] <milosz> maybe the "default" device doesn't work (?)
[17:15] <gx009> 2.6.27-3 :: gnome 2.23.92 :: x64 :: mouse pointer dissapears from screen; only rebooting brings mouse pointer back up. it still works while in this invisible state e.g. i can still click on things but it is invisible
[17:17] <gx009> nothing obvious triggers it.. ramdom .. last time it was opening laptop back up and mouse was cloaked again ..
[17:17] <milosz> it's MPX malfunctioning! this time it thinks there are no pointers at all..
[17:19] <gx009> do you know if there is already a bug report about it?
[17:19] <milosz> i was just joking, MPX isn't implemented yet
[17:19] <milosz> gx009, what graphics driver do you use?
[17:20] <gx009> that might be it.. i havent enabled the nvidia drivers yet
[17:20] <milosz> well it's still a bug with whatever drive you currently use...
[17:20] <milosz> might be worth reporting
[17:20] <gx009> true
[17:21] <ronny> yo
[17:21] <ronny> got a weird issue, network-manager stops my manual configured usb0 (in /etc/network/interfaces) from working - any idea how to make it stop caring?
[17:23] <DrHalan> hey, did video playback break ?
[17:23] <DrHalan> videos play slow and without sound in gstreamer
[17:23] <ronny> hardy just never cared about usb0 to begin with
[17:24] <ronny> but intrepid basicall disconnects all my other connections if i connect my openmoko to the usb
[17:24] <ronny> its a massive pain and i have no idea how to fix
[17:26] <gx009> gvfsd-trash just crashed!
[17:26] <milosz> that release date is never gonna be held]
[17:26] <milosz> kept*
[17:26] <gx009> tell that to the kde guys
[17:27] <milosz> why KDE?
[17:27] <milosz> delayed 4.2 or what is it about?
[17:27] <gx009> its looking pretty sad.. i just ran 4.1.1 the other day .. terrible.. nothing worked on my laptop
[17:27] <milosz> KDE 4 is overengineered in details
[17:28] <gx009> even adept was broken. which is REALLY scary
[17:30] <ronny> anyone?
[17:31] <bsnider> lew's running a nice piece about linux today:
[17:31] <bsnider> http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/coleman2.html
[17:31] <bsnider> i don't think i agree that it's "thriving", although i guess he means it's a lot more usable than it was 10 years ago
[17:33] <gx009> in the past couple of years we've seen linux systems installed in more production machines ... dell, the newest sylvania and eeepc, google's gOS , etc.. i'd say thats 'thriving'
[17:34] <bsnider> in the same time, apple has grown much more
[17:35] <bsnider> that's thriving. linux is slowly growing
[17:35] <gx009> they own they're own hardware.. go figure
[17:35] <gx009> s/they're/their
[17:43] <bsnider> i don't see the connection. microsoft doesn't own its own hardware. they make deals with oems
[17:44] <gx009> money deals.. unless you wanna be a hobbyist .. can you?
[17:45] <gx009> s/hobbyist/lobbyist
[17:45] <gx009> lol
[17:46] <gx009> since nm-applet doesnt wanna save my password i guess am trying creating a 'new wireless network'
[17:50] <bsnider> gx009, why doesn't it save your password? saves mine
[17:50] <bsnider> what happens exactly?
[17:51] <milosz> i agree that it's not "thriving" (just wanted to add that)
[18:01] <gx009> it does automatically bring up the 'enter your password' dialog for the right network .. but i have to manually input it everytime..
[18:04] <gx009> i just created an autoNETWORKX ("new connection") so i'll logout and check it
[18:06] <gx009> no results..  & am connecting a with a low signal strength even though am right next to the router
[18:08] <bsnider> gx009, you mean it asks for the network key, or it asks for the root password to get the gnome-keyring?
[18:11] <gx009> just network key
[18:11] <bsnider> network-manager has nothing to do with signal strength. that's the driver's reponsibility
[18:12] <gx009> i didnt say it did
[18:12] <gx009> i just commented on that
[18:12] <bsnider> i see
[18:12] <bsnider> what wifi card is it?
[18:41] <tsuther> hello
[18:42] <tsuther> anyone have advice for me - I've got a Thinkpad t60 and running intretpid alpha5, the scroll wheel no longer works
[18:42] <tsuther> how do I fix with this fancy new xorg?
[18:42] <Sylphid|work> dunno if this is the right place to ask but can anyone tell me why traceroute is not installed by the default ubuntu installation cd
[18:43] <Sylphid|work> or if it is scheduled to be added in intrepid
[18:44] <milosz> it's never been installed by default
[18:44] <milosz> by which i wanted to speculate that it will not change in I.I.
[18:45] <milosz> tsuther, scroll wheel on what kind of device? USB mouse?
[18:45] <DanaG> Trackpoint stick, most likely.
[18:45] <DanaG> That'd be the "EmulateWheelButton" option.
[18:45] <milosz> a trackpoint stick most likely also doesn't have a scroll wheel
[18:46] <milosz> s/also//
[18:57] <tsuther> sorry
[18:57] <Bauldrick> how can i stop my screen going black everytime i press a key on the keyboard?
[18:57] <tsuther> DanaG: yes, the trackpoint
[18:58] <tsuther> milosz: it would be the middle mouse button scrolling on the trackpoint, not the "touchpad"
[18:59] <DanaG> Hmm, synaptics now uses fdi files, instead of the xorg.conf.
[18:59] <milosz> ow the trackpoint scroll ok
[18:59] <DanaG> copy /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/11-x11-synaptics.fdi  to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ and edit it
[18:59] <tsuther> fdi is new, right?
[18:59] <milosz> fdi files have been used since HAL was introduced
[18:59] <DanaG> You'd want to add the things mentioned here:
[19:00] <DanaG> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint
[19:00] <milosz> eh i think i'm not enough informed about this
[19:00] <DanaG> the emulatewheelbutton thing.
[19:00] <tsuther> doesn't xorg handle mice and keyboards differently with the new version?
[19:56] <utonto> hello
[19:56] <utonto> i'd like to know... is it normal that ubuntu ibex doesn have tty1 -6 but just the graphic one?
[19:57] <void^> no
[19:58] <utonto> tha't wierd than, cause since i installed it i just have the tty7 that's the one i am using atm
[19:59] <utonto> is there anything to change in the grub menu to allow having all the terminals?
[20:00] <carandraug> utonto: I have all tty, 1 to 6
[20:01] <carandraug> utonto: by the way, do you really need that many tty? May I suggest using screen instead?
[20:01] <Pici> !bugs
[20:01] <utonto> no i don't really need all of them
[20:02] <utonto> but at least a non-graphical one
[20:02] <utonto> to use in case of troubles with the X server
[20:07] <Samushka> i am having issues w/ my Intel X3100 graphics card in Ibex, i seem to be in VESA mode... ubuntu seems to boot up, gfx is garbled, then reboots, and works, but like i said, im in VESA mode...
[20:08] <Samushka> how does one install/force intel drivers on ubuntu 8.10 ?
[20:08] <utonto> change the driver in your xorg.conf
[20:08] <utonto> just type intel in there
[20:09] <Samushka> /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... i dont see nothing configured in there, is there a way to configure xorg.conf auotmtically for first time?
[20:12] <utonto> sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[20:13] <Samushka> i tried that, but it doesnt give me an option to pick my video card.
[20:13] <Samushka> do i set my indentifier to "Intel" >
[20:13] <Samushka> ?
[20:14] <Bauld> how can i stop the screen gpoing black when i type?!!
[20:17] <Fujisan> where is jono bacon?
[20:18] <Fujisan> JONO BACON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:18] <Fujisan> I SUMMEN THEE
[20:18] <pwnguin> Fujisan<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:18] <Fujisan> you know him?
[20:18] <pwnguin> more than i know you
[20:19] <jussi01> He is the community manager...
[20:19] <Fujisan> yeah
[20:19] <Fujisan> I took a picture with him a while back: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3227/2438454269_a3489e2235.jpg
[20:20] <stdin> Fujisan: this is a support channel, #ubuntu-offtopic is for general chat
[20:21] <Fujisan> oh wow
[20:22] <Fujisan> I know this channel is for fallaciloquence
[20:22] <Fujisan> thank you stdin
[20:22] <Fujisan> i am here because i wanted to know where i can get ubuntu intrepid ibex
[20:23] <Fujisan> amagawd
[20:24] <Fujisan> i cant find any download locations for it
[20:24] <pwnguin> alpha 5?
[20:24] <Fujisan> yeah
[20:24] <teratoma> you can download an iso or upgrade your install of Hardy
[20:24] <pwnguin> so in the topic is this url...
[20:24] <Fujisan> :/
[20:24] <Fujisan> yeha i know i been there
[20:24] <Fujisan> didnt help me one bit
[20:25] <Fujisan> i dont have ubuntu yet
[20:25]  * gx009 :: google is your friend
[20:25] <Fujisan> no its not
[20:25] <stdin> !daily
[20:25] <teratoma> so download a iso of it and install
[20:25] <Fujisan> thanks
[20:25] <stdin> all the ISOs are on that server
[20:26] <Fujisan> so what are the new features?
[20:26] <pwnguin> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5
[20:26] <Fujisan> and when is gnome being replaced?
[20:26] <pwnguin> define replaced
[20:26] <teratoma> you can install kubuntu with KDE if you hate gnome
[20:26]  * gx009 :: smells trolls
[20:26] <Fujisan> jono bacon blogged about it
[20:27] <Fujisan> gx009 please
[20:27] <PriceChild> Fujisan: blogged about gnome being replaced?
[20:27] <Fujisan> i am not a troll
[20:27] <teratoma> trolling ubuntu sounds pretty boring
[20:27] <gx009> !enter
[20:27] <Fujisan> Jono Bacon; Although I am an ardent supporter and fanboy around GNOME, and I love the desktop for its simplicity and elegance…GNOME has become the software equivalent of my dad’s comfortable trousers - predictable and reliable, but has ceased to be exciting and innovative in new, innovative, visual, inspirational ways.
[20:27] <_emet_> !info mono
[20:27] <_emet_> O_o
[20:28] <PriceChild> Fujisan: Jono Bacon is the Ubuntu Community Manager. As far as I know he isn't in charge of decisions like that, nor does he indicate in that passage that it is being replaced. That is simply his opinion.
[20:28] <Fujisan> gx009 what !enter?
[20:28] <PriceChild> Fujisan: read what ubottu said immediately following that trigger
[20:28] <Fujisan> i agree with jono bacon
[20:29] <pwnguin> Fujisan: that post was about invogorating gnome, not killing it
[20:29] <Fujisan> i know
[20:29] <Fujisan> i meant to say revamped instead of replaced
[20:29] <_emet_> what is being replaced?
[20:29] <_emet_> gnome is being replaced?
[20:29] <teratoma> yes, with ion3
[20:29] <_emet_> about time
[20:29] <gx009> :-/
[20:30] <Fujisan> because i believe KDE people are designed challenged, and gnome has great potential
[20:30] <Fujisan> stdin i cant join #ubuntu-offtopic i have a 6 month old ban from there
[20:30] <teratoma> i can't imagine why
[20:30] <Fujisan> so its not okay to talk about the future of ubuntu in here?
[20:30] <Fujisan> i have nowhere else to go
[20:31] <pwnguin> talk is cheap, really.
[20:31] <pwnguin> anyone know what magic I must invoke to get nvidia working with dkms?
[20:32] <emet> um]
[20:32] <emet> !info mono-gmcs
[20:32] <emet> damnit
[20:32] <emet> that version is buggy
[20:33] <emet> I hope Ubuntu upgrades to Mono 2.0
[20:35] <Bauld> anyone help me stop my screen going black when typing!?
[20:44] <Bauld> what should xorg.conf look like in intrepid then, mine says this http://pastebin.com/m45ba6364
[20:45] <gx009> have you tried booting in recovery mode and select option 'fix xserver'? that might help
[20:46] <gx009> that's another way of resetting your xorg.conf to default values
[20:47] <Bauld> give it a go now
[20:51] <pisecx> Hi,
[20:51] <pisecx> is it possible to fix problem with Human-Murrine
[20:51] <pisecx> ?
[20:52] <Bauld> nah, it still black when i type and seems to be when i toucj the mouse first time
[20:54] <Bauld> i only upgraded to see if i could get my rtl 8150 wifi card working - cant even boot with .27 kernel because screen is black after logo! stupid noob!!
[20:54] <gx009> have you enabled proprietary drivers?
[20:55] <Bauld> where are they on this
[20:55] <pisecx> Guys, how can I fix look of gnome?
[20:56] <pisecx> It's broken
[20:56] <pisecx> And seems like it's a know issue, according to this http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-8-10-Alpha-4-Screenshot-Tour-91907.shtml
[20:56] <Bauld> sorry , but its almost impossible to see anything as each time i touch keyboard/mouse it goes black, flashes
[20:56] <pisecx> But I could find how to install Human-Murrine
[20:57] <gx009> if 'this' means your on gnome, Bauld, then look in system>administration>hardware drivers
[20:57] <Bauld> sorry , meant intrepid - im on kubuntu
[20:58] <Bauld> no propriety drivers in use
[20:59] <gx009> try enabling it.. restart..
[20:59] <Bauld> nothing to enable?
[20:59] <pisecx> stop to ignore me ))
[20:59] <Pici> pisecx: Look in Launchpad to see if a bug is logged, if not, log one.
[21:00] <Pici> !bugs
[21:00] <pisecx> thanks
[21:00] <gx009> then i guess you should update/upgrade, Bauld; because there should be a proprietary driver option in there ...
[21:02] <pisecx> Pici: yes, it logged https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-theme/+bug/257712, I have installed this package, I don't see error any more but can not use standart human theme
[21:02] <pisecx> Pici: should I try to restart?
[21:03] <Pici> pisecx: You shouldnt have to, but you may need to restart gnome.
[21:03] <Pici> Or relog
[21:04] <pisecx> Pici ok, will try now
[21:04] <Bauld> gx009: update/upgrade still nothing in hardware drivers
[21:05] <Bauld> i'm on this mind 2.6.25-1-386 as nothing else will boot - that make a difference?
[21:08] <gx009> do you have 2.6.27-2 installed already?
[21:08] <Bauld> yeah , but it wont start after load
[21:09] <Bauld> just a black screen - so i have to go back to this one
[21:09] <gx009> try editing kernel line adding    acpi=off    (at the end) and see if it boots
[21:09] <gx009> in grub
[21:12] <gx009> you can also just  kate /etc/grub/menu.lst  and add it there
[21:13] <gx009> then restart, of course
[21:13] <Bauld> brb ofcourse
[21:17] <oliver_g_1> hmm...
[21:17] <oliver_g_1> shouldn't the "nautilus" package be installed by default?
[21:17] <gx009> not if you have kde
[21:17] <oliver_g_1> no, it's ubuntu
[21:18] <oliver_g_1> and I'm wondering why Gnome desktop won't come up after last update
[21:19] <oliver_g_1> ok, /var/log/dpkg.log says it has removed nautilus and nautilus-cdburner today :-/
[21:20] <oliver_g_1> that might explain the login problems
[21:22] <gx009> that doesnt just happen .. a user had to have done that.. regardless, you have to reinstall that then
[21:22] <gx009> thats my guess
[21:22] <oliver_g_1> (ah ok, it has removed ubuntu-desktop, probably because I didn't select DistUpgrade in update-manager today)
[21:24] <oliver_g_1> wheee... desktop is back, _and_ it finally runs fast inside virtualbox :-D
[21:24] <oliver_g_1> thanks to the kernel patchers!
[21:25] <Bauld> argh, no joy
[21:29] <gx009> i suggest you take acpi=off out of the boot line and proceed to check the forums for a match to your situation or stay tuned 'til someone else can lead you in the right direction; unfortunately thats all i have
[21:31] <Bauld> gx009: cheers for your time, much appreciated
[21:38] <DanaG> Oh hey, the dd-wrt firmware has a theme that that New Wave could take some ideas from.
[21:38] <DanaG> http://codefromthe70s.org/images/dummynet_ddwrt.png
[21:49] <Irfan> hi, I need help installing VirtualBox 2.0
[21:51] <DanaG> 2.0?
[21:52] <DanaG> Woah.
[21:52] <DanaG> That's news to me.
[21:52] <Irfan> yap, it's out in the sun
[21:52] <Irfan> I'am having problems with a compiler actually
[21:53] <Irfan> it says that there are known issues with gcc4,3
[21:53] <Irfan> and that I should use older verision
[21:53] <Irfan> but, that's the part I don't know how to do
[22:06] <DanaG> try this: CC=gcc-4.2 /media/VBOXwhateverthepathistotheinstaller
[22:06] <DanaG> or anyway, export CC=gcc-4.2 before running the install thingy.
[22:13] <Bauld> haha, the black screen when typing was to do with onboard vga thingy - just robbed a shite old nvidia card from another  pc and it works fine now, no no propriety drivers though
[22:17] <pwnguin> anyone know how to make dkms+nvidia happy?
[22:19] <gx009_> https://launchpad.net/dkms   <---- maybe you should give them a shout
[22:20] <RAOF> pwnguin: In what way are they unhappy now?
[22:21] <RAOF> pwnguin: I've found simply reinstalling the nvidia-1xx-kernel-source packge unborks it, on the one occasion it got confused.
[22:21] <pwnguin> its been broked for a while, i just decided now is the time to bother with it
[22:25] <pwnguin> man, im watching this series of training videos at work for Ubuntu
[22:25] <pwnguin> terrible
[22:25] <pwnguin> based on like 7.04
[22:26] <pwnguin> topics include: Easy Ubuntu & Automatix [7:27]
[22:27] <RAOF> Whoops!
[22:28] <pwnguin> the closed captioning uses the wrong slashes
[22:28] <pwnguin> even when the author made a deliberate point about it
[22:28] <pwnguin> \home\
[22:28] <RAOF> Ba baw!
[22:29] <pwnguin> yay. raof fixed it
[22:31] <pwnguin> next question: what's the story with bootup?
[22:31] <literal> explain
[22:31] <RAOF> Expound.
[22:31] <pwnguin> kernel-helper seems to be spawning some terrible disk io
[22:32] <pwnguin> find, cpio, frontend, lsb_release, apt-cache
[22:35] <ganymede> i'm kind of unaware of how packages are upgraded within an ubuntu version...is it like only security and bugfix updates are allowed within a single version, so when 8.10 is created, that's the only opportunity for major-number updates?
[22:35] <ganymede> or is ubuntu always bleeding edge, as long as it's stable?
[22:44] <bsnider> how do you define bleeding edge?
[22:45] <ganymede> latest tarball available, provided it turns out to be stable
[22:45] <bsnider> no, that doesn't ever happen
[22:46] <ganymede> i guess what i'm really asking is whether packages ever hold back the newest version of something simply because it's too big of a step, and decide to put it off until ubuntu+1
[22:46] <bsnider> yes, all the time
[22:46] <RAOF> Um, no.  Almost always not.
[22:46] <ganymede> packagers*
[22:46] <bsnider> even small stuff like pidgin is put off until the next release
[22:46] <RAOF> Except after Feature Freeze (which we're in now).
[22:47] <RAOF> Before feature freeze, the reason why we don't have the latest upstream version is generally because no one's had time to package it.
[22:47] <ganymede> bsnider: and the reason for this is because of commercial 24/7 support? you don't want to have to support a version that ubuntu wasn't shipped with?
[22:47] <ganymede> oh, okay
[22:47] <bsnider> i guess that's it
[22:47] <pwnguin> its not just "commercial support"
[22:47] <ganymede> but is that only reason? if someone actually took the time to package the newest pidgin and make sure it's stable, would it go into 8.04?
[22:47] <bsnider> after using hardy for 5 months, almost nothing in it is bleeding edge anymore
[22:48] <pwnguin> ganymede: there's a process for exceptions
[22:48] <bsnider> ganymede, no it would not
[22:48] <bsnider> it might go into a ppa for you to go out and get
[22:48] <bsnider> i got pidgin 2.5 from getdeb
[22:48] <bsnider> for hardy
[22:49] <ganymede> and the reason for it not to go into official repos, even though it's proven stable, is?
[22:49] <ganymede> (assuming it was proven stable)
[22:49] <pwnguin> this is like assuming no friction or wind restance
[22:49] <pwnguin> works good on paper, but we live in the real world
[22:50] <pwnguin> for example
[22:50] <bsnider> how would anyone know if it was stable? besides programming resources are put into the next ubuntu release, not into adding features to the current one
[22:50] <bsnider> you can always go out and get new stuff from ppa's and getdeb and places like that. or build them yourself
[22:50] <pwnguin> the latest release of xournal was put out a while bak
[22:51] <pwnguin> and the dude was angry because we didnt ship it (his release was after feature freeze and nobody wanted to bother with it)
[22:51] <pwnguin> upstream isn't good at release engineering, often times
[22:52] <pwnguin> that xournal version had two releases within a day, because the first one was discovered to not actually work
[22:52] <pwnguin> "known stable" my ass ;)
[22:52] <bsnider> shuttleworth says he wants to address this issue by encouraging ppa repositories with new stuff
[22:53] <pwnguin> makes sense
[22:53] <pwnguin> except ppas have no signature
[22:53] <bsnider> yeah, that's annoying
[22:53] <bsnider> something will have to be done about that
[22:53] <pwnguin> lots of upstreams already do host their own repos
[22:53] <bsnider> maybe apt shouldn't check ppa repositories
[22:54] <ganymede> okay, thanks for the clarifications
[22:55] <pwnguin> it would be nice if we could get upstreams to participate more directly
[22:59] <DanaG> wtf... why is VirtualBox suid root?
[22:59] <anubis> evolution of all things is broken
[22:59] <DanaG> VirtualBox
[22:59] <DanaG> (process:3448): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid.
[23:01] <pwnguin> http://people.cis.ksu.edu/~jld5445/intrepid-20080911-9.png
[23:02] <pwnguin> theres a boot chart for ya RAOF, literal
[23:02] <RAOF> DanaG: Possibly because it wants to mess with low-level kernel stuff?
[23:02] <DanaG> Aah.
[23:02] <DanaG> But shouldn't that be separate from the GUI?
[23:02] <DanaG> The GUI app itself is setuid.
[23:02] <RAOF> It could be.
[23:03] <pwnguin> what's it run as?
[23:03] <DanaG> -rws--s--x 1 root root 16976 2008-09-04 03:31 /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox
[23:03] <pwnguin> i think suid is needed to run as anyone, including nobody
[23:04] <DanaG> er,
[23:04] <DanaG> -rws--x--x 1 root root 16976 2008-09-04 03:31 /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox
[23:04] <RAOF> DanaG: kvm gets around this by having the /dev/kvm device owned by the kvm group; virtualbox could presumably do something similar, but may not at the moment.
[23:04] <DanaG> So, I can't use the nice qgtkstyle.
[23:06] <RAOF> You could; just add it to root's themes, too.
[23:07] <DanaG> That's not the issue.
[23:07] <DanaG> or do you mean I have to run it as root for real?
[23:07] <DanaG> Isn't that essentially the same as setuid?
[23:07] <DanaG> ... as in privileges, not as in how it works.
[23:09] <DanaG> Great, so now VirtualBox is fugly.
[23:09] <DanaG> If I run it as root, I can't use my VM.
[23:10] <DanaG> If I symlink root's .VirtualBox dir to mine, I get   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }     Callee RC:   NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005)
[23:10] <pwnguin> interesting
[23:10] <pwnguin> your irc client uses css
[23:11] <RAOF> DanaG: What is the issue?  Why doesn't the qgtkstyle work for root apps?
[23:11] <DanaG> Nope, the qt4 error dialog uses css, actually.
[23:11] <DanaG> that's a copy and paste.
[23:11] <DanaG> Root doesn't have my .VirtualBox dir; that's the issue.
[23:12] <DanaG> If I symlink it to mine, I get that error.
[23:13] <RAOF> Why does root need your .Virtualbox dir?
[23:13] <DanaG> ... to use my VMs, of course.
[23:13] <RAOF> Oh, so this has changed recently?
[23:13] <DanaG> SO I don't have to redefine everything.
[23:13] <DanaG> gksu virtualbox -- try it.
[23:13]  * RAOF doesn't have virtualbox, so can't.
[23:13] <DanaG> Or without gksu, with using qgtkstyle.... it refuses to start due to being setuid.
[23:14] <DanaG> http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/2066
[23:14] <RAOF> Ah.  That now makes sense.
[23:15] <DanaG> ... or if I update qgtkstyle to one that drops back to something else on setuid, it starts with no listed VMs.
[23:16] <DanaG> Great, now I'm stuck with it uglier than before... at least when it was qt3, I had a decent theme.
[23:16] <DanaG> The fallback qt4 theme is ugly.
[23:19] <DanaG> Grr.
[23:44] <dupondje> There is a problem with teh configuration server. gconf-sanity-check-2 exited with status 256
[23:44] <dupondje> any id's ?


[07:55] <Pepelka>  [COKS] Mestni upravi Muenchna je Linux prihranil precej denarja in prinesel zadovoljne uporabnike  http://bazar.coks.si/?p=1111
[12:09] <andrejz> rabmo enga k bo slikce pofotkal za dokumentacijo
[12:09] <andrejz> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntudocs-devel/sl/
[12:09] <Pepelka> Ubuntu docs image viewer
[12:09] <Pepelka>  [Ubuntu Security] USN-1415-1: Linux kernel (Marvell DOVE) vulnerability  http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1415-1/
[12:10] <andrejz> mislim da je 11 slikc (unih brez besedila seveda ni treba delat)
[12:15] <zdobersek> andrejz: server mi error javlja
[12:15] <zdobersek> na linku
[12:18] <andrejz> refresh stistni
[12:19] <andrejz> čudno
[12:19] <andrejz> ne dela, stisnem F5 ne dela, stisnem F5 dela,dela pa spet ne dela
[12:21] <zdobersek> ja, zdej dela.
[12:21] <andrejz> zdobersek, deal?
[12:21] <andrejz> dela
[12:21] <andrejz> no ok
[12:23] <andrejz> fotke istih stvari (samo na 12.04 v slovenščini) z isto ločljivostjo
[12:29] <zdobersek> andrejz: wha?
[12:30] <zdobersek> nimam unitya :>
[12:30] <zdobersek> andrejz: sploh pa, par stvari itak nima smisla ponovno fotkat
[12:30] <zdobersek> npr. http://<IP_ADDRESS>/static/source/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-help/C/figures/color-space.png
[12:31] <zdobersek> npr. http://<IP_ADDRESS>/static/source/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-help/C/figures/ubuntu-precise.png
[12:31] <zdobersek> npr. http://<IP_ADDRESS>/static/source/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-help/C/figures/unity-launcher-apps.png
[12:31] <zdobersek> npr. http://<IP_ADDRESS>/static/source/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-help/C/figures/color-camera.png
[12:31] <zdobersek> :>
[12:32] <CrazyLemon> nimaš unitya?? kaj za vraga pa počneš kle?!?!?
[12:33] <zdobersek> CrazyLemon: tebe cakam, limun!
[12:34] <CrazyLemon> i am hir!
[12:34] <zdobersek> CrazyLemon: pejt slikat stvari, k mas unity!
[12:39] <andrejz> ja saj pravim da je samo 11 slik za posnet od 22
[12:47] <zdobersek> CrazyLemon: GOGOGO
[12:48] <zdobersek> 11 screenshots good, 11 to go
[12:49] <CrazyLemon> zdobersek sej bom no!
[12:49] <zdobersek> CrazyLemon: NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[12:49]  * zdobersek plays angry zdobersek
[13:13] <zdobersek> !g domestic
[13:14] <Pepelka> Wall stickers : Domestic ® vente de stickers muraux, autocollants ... http://www.domestic.fr/
[13:14] <zdobersek> mah
[13:14] <zdobersek> !t sl en ustaljen
[13:14] <Pepelka> stable
[13:52]  * CrazyLemon naroču katano 3
[14:40] <Pepelka>  [Ubuntu Security] USN-1414-1: Aptdaemon vulnerability  http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1414-1/
[15:17] <zarga> Hey guys, I'm not Slovenian but I got one question regarding the country and I can't think of any other way to ask it,
[15:18] <zarga> and given that I'm an Ubuntu user and an open-source person I thought it would be OK if I asked it over here :-)
[15:18] <CrazyLemon> shoot
[15:18] <zarga> So the question is, can you please recommend any web forum where I could ask about living in Ljubljana? Like what the flat prices are? The only place I've found so far is http://www.tu-je.si/forum/ and it seems like some nationalist types are running it, could be that they wouldn't like my asking the question in English..
[15:18] <Pepelka> Tukaj je Slovenija » Forum
[15:19] <zarga> hey CrazyLemon
[15:20] <CrazyLemon> zarga well why not just search flat prices in ljubljana instead of asking on a forum?
[15:20] <CrazyLemon> you could always try http://www.salomon.si/oglasnik.aspx/01 checking 'Oddam' and  clicking on 'Ljubljana'
[15:20] <Pepelka> Oglasnik
[15:20] <CrazyLemon> Oddam is under 'Tip ponudbe:'
[15:20] <zarga> Sure, I've already done it, but I'd like to confirm the prices are all OK, like for instance what you see in the net isn't something you hear when you visit the place personally
[15:21] <CrazyLemon> and you'll see results containing 'm2' and price for that
[15:21] <zarga> yep, http://www.salomon.si and http://www.nepremicnine.net are the sites Iv
[15:21] <Pepelka> Salomon.si
[15:21] <zarga> err, I've already consulted
[15:22] <CrazyLemon> zarga well in this case prices are pretty much accurate.. +-10% for the highest prices
[15:22] <zarga> besides, the sites won't tell you for instance, what the average cost of electricity (or stroski in general) is
[15:22] <CrazyLemon> where are you from?
[15:23] <zarga> there's no easy answer to that question :) but yea, I live in Europe now
[15:25] <CrazyLemon> well the same applies for that forum..there isnt a forum about ljubljana - not that i know of
[15:25] <CrazyLemon> but there is uni4dfx that lives in ljubljana and a few more in  here
[15:25] <CrazyLemon> they could tell you more about
[15:25] <zarga> cool beans CrazyLemon, appreciated
[15:27] <zarga> uni4dfx: so when you're around, could you please tell me what you think about http://bit.ly/HJtN4R ? Is it too much? Just about fine? Seems iffy?
[15:27] <Pepelka> Oddaja, Stanovanje: LJ. CENTER, KRAKOVO
[15:27] <zarga> I know it's /way/ off-topic so for a moment we can talk about Ubuntu :)
[15:28] <CrazyLemon> dont worry.. we are offtopic all the time
[15:28] <zarga> Has anyone noticed problems with Rhythmbox in 11.04? ;-)
[15:28] <zarga> CrazyLemon: cool
[15:28] <CrazyLemon> and yea..the price for 60m2 seems quite ok.. but its not furnished
[15:29] <zarga> CrazyLemon: this is just what I need, no furniture or a minimal set at the very most, the first I do when I'm moving houses is to ask the landlord if they can do away with whatever they have there :)
[15:30] <CrazyLemon> zarga why is that? you have too much money and you want to spend it for furniture? :D
[15:30] <zarga> CrazyLemon: I don't like a lot of couches, armchairs and all that things stuffed so one has problems with stretching their legs
[15:30] <CrazyLemon> btw may i ask what is the reason for moving to Lj?
[15:30] <zarga> CrazyLemon: haha :-)
[15:31] <zarga> I heard it was a very peaceful and warm city, it's not that far from a sea
[15:31] <zarga> though I hear it's quite rainy at times!
[15:31] <CrazyLemon> its quite foggy!
[15:31] <zarga> but the mountains are around, the sea is near, road infrastructure seems OK
[15:31] <CrazyLemon> and yea..its like an hour drive from the sea ..or 2hrs by train
[15:31] <zarga> so what else one would need?
[15:31] <CrazyLemon> or 30min by plane
[15:31] <zarga> heh a plane
[15:32] <zarga> sorry, I don't have one :)
[15:32] <CrazyLemon> well...thats all true everything is near (welcome to slovenia! :D) but i really dont like weather in Lj
[15:32] <zarga> CrazyLemon: do you think there are any dangerous neighbourhoods in Ljubljana?
[15:33] <zarga> (btw., is it common to refer to Ljubljana as Lj in Slovenia?)
[15:34] <CrazyLemon> zarga well not really.. you could get mugged in a park as you could in a dark street ..
[15:34] <CrazyLemon> and no..there isnt that much mugging in Ljubljana
[15:34] <zarga> yea, just like about everywhere in the world
[15:34] <zarga> err.. ^^ that was regarding parks and stuff :)
[15:34] <CrazyLemon> its not common..i'm just being lazy
[15:35] <zarga> ah
[15:35] <CrazyLemon> but you'll see license plates with LJ :)
[15:35] <CrazyLemon> thats a good sign that you're currently in ljubljana :>
[15:35] <zarga> Heh
[15:37] <zarga> the city sure looks pretty on all the pictures, and if there's a Ubuntu local group I'll be even more happier :)
[15:37] <CrazyLemon> zarga there is and a LUG group also
[15:38] <zarga> cool, really cool
[15:38] <CrazyLemon> our loco group is having a release party in april..and you are welcome! :)
[15:39] <zarga> I'm afraid I'll a couple of thousand kilometers away but hey, there's an autumn release still :)
[15:39] <zarga> I'll *be
[15:39] <CrazyLemon> when are you planning on moving?
[15:41] <zarga> Not sure really, I mean to pop over there on a reconnaiasnce mission in June or July and then we'll see
[15:46] <CrazyLemon> cool
[16:00] <zdobersek> CrazyLemon: ni kle megle, sam oblaki.
[16:00] <zdobersek> ubsitvu sonce sije.
[16:00] <zdobersek> mkay
[16:03] <zarga> CrazyLemon: where do you live by the way? I just wonder, you said you didn't like weather in Ljubljana..
[16:04] <lynxlynxlynx> he prefers the scorching dryness of the coast
[16:04] <zarga> ah I see :)
[16:05] <CrazyLemon> i prefer non foggy weather yea and sunshine
[16:05] <CrazyLemon> and i hate snow..so yea..coast is perfect for me :)
[16:05] <zarga> hm I thought had a lot of sun as well :/
[16:06] <zarga> err, that Ljubljana had it
[16:06] <zdobersek> zarga: I think the winter is the most sun-deprived period of the year
[16:07] <zdobersek> that's gone now, thankfully
[16:07] <zdobersek> but it's april now, so the weather is very unstable.
[16:07] <zarga> yea, understood
[16:08] <CrazyLemon> Največ jasnih dni je bilo v letu 2009 v Portorožu (92 dni);      - the number of cloudless days on the slovenian coast
[16:08] <CrazyLemon> vs.
[16:08] <CrazyLemon> V Ljubljani pa je bilo leta 2009 le 38 jasnih dni. - the number of cloudless days in Ljubljana 38
[16:09] <lynxlynxlynx> *khm*
[16:09] <lynxlynxlynx> comparing the maximum
[16:09] <zdobersek> but that was 2009! the weather is even more fucked up now, but luckily it seems that in a better way ...
[16:10] <zdobersek> !t en sl neigh
[16:10] <Pepelka> Njištati
[16:10] <zdobersek> wha?
[16:11] <CrazyLemon> well..2010 stats Največ jasnih dni je bilo v letu 2010 v Portorožu in Ratečah, Planici (na vsaki 71 dni), potem v Biljah (62 dni) in Črnomlju (54 dni). Najmanj jasnih dni je bilo v tem letu v Ljubljani (19 dni). - Portorož 71 vs. 19 Ljubljana
[16:12] <CrazyLemon> :)
[16:15] <zdobersek> still, I don't think it's that depressing.
[16:15] <zdobersek> even if cloudy, chances are there's sun at the top of nearby hills
[16:17] <zdobersek> or mountains, for that matter.
[16:18] <zarga> The thing I really don't like are temperatures below -20 C but I guess that I should be concerned with it?
[16:18] <zarga> i.e. http://weatherspark.com/averages/32321/Ljubljana-Cerklje-na-Gorenjskem-Slovenia
[16:18] <Pepelka> Average Weather For Ljubljana, Slovenia - WeatherSpark
[16:19] <CrazyLemon> zarga not really..
[16:19] <zdobersek> it can get that cold on occasions, but it's not common
[16:19] <zdobersek> at least not at midday
[16:19] <zarga> pheww :)
[16:20] <CrazyLemon> the yearly average for slovenia is 8.8°  C so yea..dont worry about that
[16:28] <CrazyLemon> https://plus.google.com/u/0/110300216597663852321/posts
[16:28] <Pepelka> Michael Schumacher - Google+
[16:29] <CrazyLemon> michael schumacher je developer pri GIMPu!!
[16:29] <CrazyLemon> :D
[16:33] <zarga> ok guys, I'm off for now, many thanks for the chat!
[16:36] <zarga> see ya!
[18:20] <CrazyLemon> če koga zanima sestavi.si ma kul nagradno igro..na fb
[18:30] <zdobersek> me zanima ... a nimam fb.
[18:30] <zdobersek> a sestavljas racunalnike iz lego kock?
[18:31] <CrazyLemon> zdobersek i wish :/
[18:31] <CrazyLemon> nimajo lego kock
[18:31] <CrazyLemon> sam računalnike
[18:36] <zdobersek> urgh!
[18:36] <zdobersek> that make zdobersek angry!
[18:58] <Sky[x]> mi mamo boljso :P
[18:58] <CrazyLemon> Sky[x] dvomim..močno :)
[18:59] <CrazyLemon> kle je lahko nagrada vredna tudi do 6.000 € :)
[18:59] <Sky[x]> aja uff
[19:00] <CrazyLemon> poglej mal komentarje
[19:00] <CrazyLemon> in poglej kaj je napisal Blaž in klikni na link
[19:01] <CrazyLemon> pa boš vidu kok je vredn touchscreen zaslon :D
[19:01] <CrazyLemon> http://www.sestavi.si/index.php/item/display/9356
[19:01] <Pepelka> Sestavi.si RAČUNALNIK - Large Format Touch Display IIyama T6560MTS, 65""(164cm) LCD, Audio
[19:02] <CrazyLemon> :)
[19:23] <Pepelka>  [Ubuntu Security] USN-1400-4: Thunderbird regressions  http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1400-4/
[21:17] <sasa84> juhuuuuuu
[21:19] <urh> ? :-)
[21:23] <sasa84> oj urh ;)
[21:23] <sasa84> a si kej pridn? ;)


[19:49] <sumanah> I'm learning to use Bazaar and I need some help; I think I did  'bzr branch lp:mailman' to get a local copy of the dev branch of https://launchpad.net/mailman/3.0 , and then I pushed a branch https://code.launchpad.net/~sumanah/mailman/mailman , and now when I run `bzr update` it won't grab any revisions after my branch
[19:50] <Peng> I think you want bzr pull or bzr merge
[19:50] <Peng> not bzr update
[19:51] <sumanah> this was several weeks ago, checking out my .bash_history ....
[19:52] <sumanah> Peng: ah interesting! I was looking at http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/central_intro.html
[19:53] <sumanah> I'm trying bzr merge now, thanks Peng
[19:55] <sumanah> hmmm, I ran  `bzr merge`    (no argument, just to check) and although I got a sort of manifest of changes and "all changes applied successfully", bzr log still only goes up to revision 7274 (I know there have been more revs)
[19:56] <sumanah> and `bzr branches` just gives me '* (default)'
[19:56] <sumanah> 'bzr log --include-merged | head' also gives me rev7274
[19:57] <Peng> sumanah: bzr status, bzr diff and bzr commit
[19:57] <fullermd> Merge doesn't make a new rev, it just stages up the merge.
[19:57] <fullermd> Presumably you'd really want to pull if you could, though if you're using the branch for local work you couldn't (well, wouldn't want to).
[19:58] <Peng> Mm
[19:58] <Peng> You can "bzr pull" if your branch is a subset of the remote branch. If you have revisions it doesn't, you have to merge.
[20:02] <sumanah>  $ bzr pull
[20:02] <sumanah> Using saved parent location: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/3.0/
[20:02] <sumanah> bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged. Use the missing command to see how.
[20:02] <sumanah> Use the merge command to reconcile them.
[20:02] <sumanah> OK! That is what I will do
[20:02] <sumanah> Thank you Peng and fullermd, will work on that in an hour or so after this meeting :)