[02:13] <spiv> daf: The vegemite?  Please bring it :)
[04:13] <daf> spiv: will do :)
[07:52] <dilys> New bug 2038 for Launchpad/Database: Desirable sqlobject improvements
[10:26] <limi> oh joy, new arch changes ;)
[10:44] <limi> BradB|London :)
[10:45] <daf> limi!
[10:45] <limi> daf!
[10:45] <limi> how's things?
[10:45] <daf> fine!
[10:45] <daf> how are you?
[10:45] <daf> I hear you've been invading mainland Europe
[10:46] <limi> been down with the flu all weekend, so - recovering ;)
[10:46] <limi> only the nasty cough left
[10:46] <daf> ouch
[10:46] <limi> :]
[10:46] <daf> how was the conference?
[10:46] <limi> and I sound like Tom Waits
[10:46] <limi> conference was excellent
[10:47] <limi> I saw there were some arch changes, anything I need to know, or update as normal?
[10:48] <daf> I'm not sure, actualyl
[10:48] <daf> I need to work out whether they affect me too
[10:48] <spiv> daf: When will we see you? :)
[10:48] <daf> spiv: sometime this afternoon, I expect
[10:49] <spiv> daf: Chances are you just need to merge the latest rocketfuel.
[10:49] <daf> spiv: I'm meeting Dwayne at 5:30
[10:49] <daf> spiv: right, that's what I thought
[10:51] <stub> limi: If you havn't merged for a few days I don't think you have to worry - just merge as normal
[10:51] <limi> ok, great
[10:52] <limi> where in the world is stub these days?
[10:52] <stub> Melbourne
[10:52] <stub> Which is quite possibly straight down ;)
[10:54] <daf> spiv: how did your travels go?
[10:54] <spiv> Ok, a bit rough :)
[10:54] <spiv> The bus from Bridgend was full.
[11:02] <spiv> And then the tube from Paddington had half the lines blocked due to a faulty train.
[11:04] <daf> urg
[11:10] <stub> BradB|London: Hows the launchpad setup on OSX going?
[11:13] <spiv> And I realised I didn't know the address of the hotel, just that it was near Earl's Court station... thankfully a quick map purchase solved that :)
[11:13] <daf> heh :)
[11:13] <daf> I got a call from Steve at about 6 wondering where you were
[11:17] <dilys> New bug 2039 for Launchpad/Rosetta: write a script for creating PO templates in the database
[11:19] <dilys> New bug 2040 for Launchpad/Rosetta: allow searching for messages and translations within templates
[11:26] <dilys> New bug 2041 for Launchpad/Rosetta: paginate Rosetta projects page
[11:41] <carlos> hi
[11:41] <carlos> lifeless: ping
[11:42] <lifeless> carlos: pong
[11:42] <carlos> lifeless: my last patch is 415
[11:42] <carlos> lifeless: could I do  a normal star-merge?
[11:42] <lifeless> yes
[11:43] <carlos> ok
[11:43] <carlos> thank you
[11:46] <daf> spiv: is Steve around?
[11:50] <cprov> daf: hi daf, yes he is here, do you want to talk with him now ?
[11:52] <daf> cprov: actually, never mind
[11:53] <cprov> daf: sorry I was slow !!! we are having a meeting with mark
[11:54] <daf> cprov: no worries
[11:54] <cprov> daf: ok
[11:58] <dilys> New bug 2042 for Launchpad/Rosetta: PO import should update translation statistics
[12:01] <dilys> Bug 1902 resolved: Can't add an assignee to a bug
[12:04] <limi> SteveA :)
[12:05] <daf> limi: you've seen all the bugs we've assigned to you, right? :)
[12:08] <limi> yup
[12:08] <limi> soon done with the mail catch-up :)
[12:10] <daf> :)
[12:14] <SteveA> hi
[12:14] <daf> hi Steve
[12:17] <dilys> New bug 2043 for Launchpad/Launchpad: make Launchpad development servers run under the auspices of the launchpad user
[01:03] <daf> limi: whoops
[01:04] <daf> limi: we changed our minds -- it's going to be rosetta-users, not rosetta-testers
[01:04] <limi> daf: whoops?
[01:04] <limi> aha
[01:04] <daf> lalo: hi
[01:14] <lalo> yay composite.
[01:20] <lalo> actually I don't
[01:24] <lalo> yay London
[01:36] <limi|llunch> ;)
[01:39] <sabdfl> limi|llunch: when you get back, can you fix #1800 please?
[01:43] <BradB|London> limi|llunch: Were you running launchpad on 10.2.8?
[01:48] <lifeless> lalo: around ?
[01:48] <lalo> I am
[01:48] <lifeless> do you know what you need to do to fix your branch ?
[01:49] <lalo> no
[01:49] <lifeless> ok. First I need to know exactly what you did to cause the problem.
[01:49] <lifeless> it looks like you used an =all file - an advanced feature of tla, rarely needed.
[01:49] <lalo> yeah, I would like to know that too
[01:50] <lalo> no, I didn't even know these files exist
[01:50] <lifeless> did you run tla explict-default at all ?
[01:50] <lalo> nope
[01:51] <lifeless> did you run any third party tla scripts ?
[01:51] <lalo> nope
[01:51] <lifeless> that makes it quite a mystery
[01:51] <lalo> I'd much rather start a new version and work from there. It is quite possible that I won't work on Launchpad anymore after next week, so I don't think it's efficient to waste one morning trying to figure out what went wrong in my tree.
[01:51] <lifeless> we won't waste a morning.
[01:51] <lifeless> about 10 minutes.
[01:52] <lifeless> ok, do this:
[01:52] <lalo> sigh.
[01:52] <lifeless> $ cd your-launchpad-dir
[01:52] <lalo> it is *possible* that my revlib went corrupted.
[01:52] <lifeless> no, its not a misbehaviour on tla
[01:53] <lifeless> this is a specific behaviour that has been enabled by a commit in your tree, for some unknown reason.
[01:53] <lalo> let me fill you in on the history of the problem
[01:53] <lalo> Friday I submitted a merge, and it failed
[01:53] <lalo> when I tried the same merge in my local checkout of rocketfuel, it didn't fail
[01:54] <lifeless> probably one of the random-segfault-on-chinstrap problems.
[01:54] <lalo> then I found that my patch-135 was bogus; if I disabled my revlib, the merge *would* fail locally
[01:55] <lifeless> oh, thats interesting.
[01:55] <lifeless> there are string checks to prevent that, I'd love to know how that occured. are you using NFS ?
[01:55] <lalo> I reverted 135, removed it from the revlib, and committed again; this time the merge succeded both locally and in pqm, *but* it had those bogus add/removes
[01:55] <lalo> no
[01:55] <lalo> no nfs
[01:56] <lifeless> what do you mean when you say 'reverted' ?
[01:56] <lalo> (in fact I didn't remove 135 from the revlib - I removed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>entirely from the revlib and let it rebuild)
[01:58] <lifeless> what do you mean when you say 'reverted' ?
[01:58] <lalo> I removed the revision from my archive and the mirror, then replaced my lp tree with a fresh checkout to get rid of bogus patch-logs
[01:59] <lifeless> ok, future reference: thats called altering history, and you should never ever ever do that.
[01:59] <lifeless> it breaks referential integrity on a global basis.
[01:59] <lalo> sorry, but I don't agree. What's the alternative?
[02:00] <lifeless> its not a matter of agreement. Its a fact about how distributed systems interact.
[02:00] <lifeless> as for alternative, there are many.
[02:00] <lalo> if I know the revision is bogus, either I revert it or I abandon the version
[02:00] <lifeless> a) tag from the good part of that branch into that branch again,
[02:00] <lifeless> b) tag from the good part of that branch into a different branch.
[02:00] <lifeless> c) cacherev a good version of the same patch.
[02:01] <lalo> I tried c too, before reverting
[02:01] <lifeless> did you ask the arch team about this ?
[02:01] <lifeless> or on #arch ?
[02:01] <lalo> and b is what I did now
[02:01] <lifeless> ok, for b, have you tagged before or after those bogus deletes where added ?
[02:02] <lalo> neither. I tagged from rocketfuel and completely abandoned my old version.
[02:02] <lifeless> ok. that will do. what was the bad merge that occured - was it from the now abandoned branch ?
[02:03] <lalo> yes
[02:03] <lifeless> ok, thats good.
[02:04] <lifeless> so, for future reference, I repeat: do not alter revisions in your archive without discussing alternatives (we can even repair 'bogus patches' in all likelyhood) with someone on the arch team!
[02:04] <lifeless> because referential integrity problems raise havoc - for you more than for me.
[02:06] <lalo> I think you're not being pragmatic with this referential integrity thing. If I have control over all places the revision may have ever been referred to, "altering history" may well be the best thing to do.
[02:06] <lalo> I wouldn't have done that, for example, if pqm used a revlib.
[02:06] <lifeless> pqm does have a revlib.
[02:07] <lifeless> if you had not mirror patch-135 to chinstrap, it wouldn't have been nearly as concerning.
[02:07] <lalo> hmm. the reject message I got seems to imply pretty clearly it wasn't getting my tree from a revlib
[02:07] <lifeless> that doesn't mean that it doesn't have one.
[02:07] <lalo> ah well
[02:08] <lalo> I mean, if it was using a greedy revlib to get my tree - is that betrer?
[02:08] <lalo> better
[02:08] <lalo> or even better - if it had my tree on its revlib
[02:08] <lifeless> right, it doesn't auto-add, because we have some tests that do bad things to rev libs.
[02:08] <lifeless> my point is that once that there patch hit chinstrap, you no longer had control.
[02:09] <lalo> in this case I did due to company policy
[02:09] <lifeless> ?!!??!!
[02:09] <lifeless> company policy says no such thing.
[02:09] <lalo> the only legitimate users that *should* have my patch are [me, pqm]
[02:09] <lalo> am I wrong?
[02:10] <lalo> since I thoroughly checked that pqm didn't have it, then I had control
[02:10] <lifeless> and anyone in the company who hacks on launchpad, who might want to review current status, or have a local mirror. there is nothing in the arch policy against either of those uses.
[02:10] <lifeless> yes, you are wrong.
[02:11] <lifeless> I agree, that in specific circumstances, replacing the revision is the right thing to do, but you have taken the referential integrity concerns far to lightly IMO.
[02:11] <lalo> ok
[02:11] <lifeless> at a bare minimum you should have emailed everyone with potential access to your mirror stating that you've replace the patch so that we can take whatever actions are needed.
[02:12] <lalo> *if* a "bogus rev" situation ever happens again, I'll use "tag from within the same version" and then cacherev just to be sure
[02:12] <lifeless> cool. thats a *safe* solution.
[02:12] <lalo> at least for anything canonical.
[02:12] <lifeless> I'd be happy (and interested) in figuring out the root cause should this ever happen again: its a serious bug.
[02:13] <lalo> ok
[02:13] <lalo> I don't really have much clue, but *maybe* I ran out of space in the revlib partition
[02:14] <lalo> (I did run out of space, but I don't remember if it was in the same day as this happened, or even if I made any LP commit while I was out of space)
[02:14] <lifeless> ah, that would do it.
[02:14] <lifeless> actually, no it wouldn't
[02:14] <lifeless> new revs are built in a ,,foo dir, and renamed to the final name.
[02:15] <lalo> meanwhile, could you tell pqm about my new version? it's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:15] <lalo> hmm true.
[02:15] <lifeless> that will work straight off.
[02:15] <lalo> really? funny then
[02:15] <lalo> I submitted the request twice already yesterday and got neither success or failure
[02:16] <lifeless> I disabled pqm temporarily.
[02:16] <lalo> ah, ok
[02:16] <lifeless> until we'd had this chat.
[02:16] <lalo> makes sense.
[02:18] <lalo> it may also be that the revlib has been bogus for quite long, maybe since I had bad ram, and the problem only surfaced last week due to some random coincidence in the commit
[02:20] <lifeless> could be
[02:21] <lalo> btw, when I argue it's because I want to understand your point of view.  In this case, you convinced me.  If I simply believed I knew better than you I'd shut up and not care.
[02:21] <lifeless> heh, I'm glad you wanted to understand.
[02:23] <lalo> well, I know more about arch than about i18n, and if you s/know/care/ the sentence remains true. I wish I had started *working* on it earlier, maybe I would be in the arch team instead of lp.
[02:23] <lalo> now I'll get back to work
[02:34] <limi> sabdfl: fixed that (#1800) earlier this morning
[02:36] <SteveA> that's so confusing.  I looked at https://bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1800
[02:36] <SteveA> and was confused :-)
[02:40] <limi> of course, the accounts are not in sync
[02:43] <SteveA> well, the counts are not in sync
[03:08] <BradB> Anyone know how to fix the pg_type.h error when trying to build psycopg 1.1.15 on OS X?
[03:08] <BradB> I did this: http://lists.initd.org/pipermail/psycopg/2002-December/001630.html, but it's still telling me it can't find it.
[03:09] <stub> How did you install postgres? You might not have the headers installed?
[03:10] <stub> The includes and libs are also often in /whatever/include/pgsql instead of /whatever/pgsql/include
[03:11] <stub> BradB: btw. darwin ports won't touch your existing Python install so you can give that a go (assuming your python isn't installed in /opt/local), so it still might be worth giving 'port install psycopg' a go to see what happens.
[03:12] <BradB> stub: The fact that it doesn't touch the existing Python install is the problem though, I think.
[03:13] <BradB> http://paste.husk.org/1697
[03:13] <limi> lulu: Amazon portlet added
[03:13] <lulu> limi: thanks I'll have a look
[03:16] <stub> BradB: Try 'env INCLUDES="-I/usr/local/pgsql/include" ./configure --whatever-you-had-before' or 'env CFLAGS="-I/usr/local/pgsql/include" ./configure ...'
[03:17] <BradB> Same error.
[03:18] <stub> What was wrong with trying 'port install psycopg' and letting darwin ports install a fresh postgresql and python in /opt/local for launchpad work?
[03:22] <BradB> We'll find out in a few minutes... :)
[03:27] <stub> If you go back to manually trying psycopg, there should be a confsomethingorother.log which will list the commands it was trying to run to test if pg_type.h exists. It might provide insight to why it failed.
[03:31] <BradB> This'll take a long time yet...presumably I can go ahead with the RocketFuelSetup instructions, right?
[03:32] <stub> Yup. All you need for that is arch and gpg.
[03:32] <BradB> ok
[03:33] <stub> It takes a while the first time if you havn't used arch before, so it might be worth getting someone there to shoulder surf.
[03:33] <BradB> ok
[03:34] <BradB> that tla my-id line: is that literally "tla my-id" or does some value belong in place of my-id? (i.e. the one that james [i think?]  is going to be creating for me.)
[03:36] <dilys> Bug 2031 resolved: PQM success or failure messages being bounced?
[03:40] <stub> BradB: a literal 'tla my-id'
[03:41] <spiv> But the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>bit should be different ;)
[03:42] <BradB> heh
[03:44] <stub> BradB, spiv: Do you now if it is possible to do FooTable.select(FooTable.q.foo = 'bar') in a case insensitive manner?
[03:45] <BradB> not that i'm aware of. i did a manual ILIKE hack in a previous project using SQLObject.
[03:47] <BradB> So far things are seeming to go okay with port install.
[03:49] <stub> Mmm... I need to do it with CONTAINSSTRING actually. So I could just subclass CONTAINSSTRING and make it add a lower() in the right spot.
[03:50] <lalo> lifeless: all yay, the merge was successful and doesn't seem to contain any bogosity.
[03:54] <lalo> *now* I'll go to the bakery; the oatmeal seemingly wasn't enough breakfast.
[04:05] <spiv> stub: Yeah, there's no builtin way to do it with sqlobject that I know of.
[04:07] <stub> Should be possible to make Foo.q.bar.lower() work I think
[04:08] <lalo> stub: +1
[04:09] <spiv> stub: Yep.
[04:09] <lalo> in case you *are* looking for opinions, I find that a rather reasonable api for the task.
[04:12] <spiv> (reminds me a little of http://svn.twistedmatrix.com/cvs/trunk/sandbox/cake.py?view=auto&rev=6369&root=Twisted)
[04:54] <lulu> limi:ping
[04:55] <limi> pong
[04:55] <lulu> limi: are you working on the books portlet at themoment?
[04:55] <limi> not at this very second, no
[04:56] <limi> how come?
[04:56] <lulu> ok - the display seems to be broken - only showing the heading, not books.
[04:56] <lulu> also: in Documentation - could you move it to after the wiki link? cheers!
[04:57] <limi> not possible, it lists non-folderish items first
[04:57] <limi> sorry, folderish
[04:57] <limi> anyway, it's probably only showing the heading since it was moved
[04:58] <limi> I will try a re-index and see if that helps
[05:00] <lulu> limi: thanks. let me know when you're done fixing it.
[05:02] <limi> lulu: suddenly the books folder is at the root again - is anybody else moving it around that you know?
[05:02] <limi> I moved it into the docs area an hour ago or so
[05:02] <lulu> nope - only you. It's appearing in the docs area, but not at the bottom
[05:03] <lulu> did it have something to do with the tarball?
[05:03] <limi> no
[05:03] <limi> that is the software itself, not the content
[05:04] <limi> hm, just silly caching, it seems
[05:04] <limi> :)
[05:07] <lulu> limi: let me know when done - I've tried it in IE and Netscape and cleared my cache on Safari and Firefox. Still getting the problem on the books portlet.
[05:07] <limi> yes, it isn't working at the moment
[05:11] <sabdfl> limi: thanks, great
[05:11] <sabdfl> stub: what's table x?
[05:16] <limi> lulu: seems to be a bug in the ATAmazon product, I will report it to the author. moved the books to the top level for now, so the portlet works
[05:16] <limi> will add the "More books" link next
[05:16] <lulu> limi: thanks
[05:17] <lulu> limi: headings and subheadings in Structured Text. I get a main heading with 2 - 4 spaces - can't seem to get a subheading unless I use html. what do you think the problem is?
[05:18] <limi> probably something wrong in the indenting - will try to create an example document for you afterwards
[05:26] <dilys> New bug 2044 for Launchpad/Rosetta: Rosetta should at the LEAST know about browser languages
[05:29] <limi> lulu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/examples/stx/
[05:32] <lulu> limi: tx for that
[05:32] <lulu> limi: let's keep that there for the moment.
[05:32] <limi> I won't touch it ;)
[05:32] <limi> sent you the URL
[05:44] <lulu> limi: gotcha.
[05:45] <lulu> limi:news item on canonical - can you set it so that they don't appear in the nav portlet....i assume this is the same prob as help centre items appearing in the nav.
[05:45] <lulu> limi: what's happening on this issue?
[05:46] <limi> it's doing what we are asking it to - showing both folderish and non-folderish items in the nav tree
[05:47] <limi> which will cause items like that to show up - which means we will have to explicitly tell it to hide certain types that you don't want to show up
[05:47] <limi> it can't magically guess what types you think should show up ;)
[05:50] <lulu> limi: not asking you to magically guess - we have had emails on it - please refer to FAQ's appearing in the nav portlet - scalability issue. It's the same in news items...
[05:50] <lulu> limi: in the news section
[05:50] <limi> but I can't see your mailbox ;)
[05:51] <limi> any other types than News Items?
[05:51] <lulu> emails between us
[05:51] <lulu> yes - all the help cenre (Documentation)
[05:51] <lulu> centre
[05:51] <limi> haven't seen anybody mention news items specifically
[05:51] <lulu> in news on canonical
[05:51] <lulu> when u add items
[05:52] <lulu> will they appear as a list (if more than one) on the index page?
[07:16] <lalo> spiv: was it you who suggested that I try commit/abort via fetching the connection object built by InitZopeless?
[07:18] <lalo> hmm, doesn't seem to be around. I'll use the mailing list.
[07:55] <spiv> lalo: Yeah.
[07:55] <spiv>
[07:55] <spiv> Well, by keeping the connection you pass to initZopeless.
[07:55] <lalo> hello
[07:55] <lalo> yes :-) that doesn't work
[07:55] <spiv> Hmm!
[07:56] <spiv> How are you calling commit/abort?  What's the error (or just silently fails to do so?)?
[07:57] <lalo> give me 2 secs
[07:57] <spiv> Sure.  I'm very curious about this :)
[07:58] <lalo> ok, well
[07:58] <lalo> the default setup of sqlo is "autoCommit" - meaning, it commits after *EACH* query
[07:59] <lalo> so you can, yes, commit or abort at the end of the script - but it will be meaningless :-)
[07:59] <spiv> Oh, right.
[07:59] <lalo> so
[08:00] <lalo> you wrap your connection in a Transaction object, and give *that*m to SQLBase
[08:00] <lalo> then it works. Kinda. There are two or three very simple bugs in the Transaction class.
[08:00] <spiv> What are the bugs?
[08:01] <spiv> The iterSelect one?
[08:01] <lalo> yes
[08:01] <spiv> That's fixed in SQLObject 0.6, which lifeless will apparently sync into our snapshot sometime this week.
[08:02] <lalo> the iterSelect two, actually, if you also consider the fact that a list is not a valid thing to return from an __iter__ method :-)
[08:02] <spiv> Right :)
[08:02] <spiv> Any others?  I already know about those two ;)
[08:02] <lalo> (or if this is the one you know, then the other one is that Iteration has to have a __iter__ method to be passed into list())
[08:03] <spiv> Yep, those are the two I know.
[08:03] <spiv> Need iter(...) in Transaction.iterSelect, and __iter__ in Iteration.
[08:03] <spiv> 0.6 has both of those fixed, and I've attached a patch to a rosetta bug somewhere to do the same thing.
[08:04] <lalo> give me two more secs to check if that's all
[08:04] <lalo> I was trying to commit those to my own sqlobject branch, and got lost in the conflicts :-)
[08:04] <spiv> Heh.
[08:06] <lalo> nay, sir, that's all.
[08:06] <spiv> That's good :)
[08:06] <spiv> Thanks for trying that out.
[08:06] <lalo> yes. If it's known, and it's on the way to fixing, then it's good
[08:07] <lalo> well, I *had* to :-) our import script is kinda broken if we don't have transactions
[08:07] <spiv> Well, thanks for letting me know how it went, then :)
[08:08] <lalo> np
[08:38] <dilys> Bug 2011 resolved: Package browser
[09:16] <SteveA> stub: hello


[00:23] <mxiia> have I been banned in #ubuntu, if so why?
[00:23] <LjL> yes, you have. let me check on the "why" part
[00:24] <PriceChild> LjL: spam.
[00:24] <LjL> that's... correct! though you win no prize.
[00:25] <mxiia> oh... when do i get unbanned... I dont remember spamming
[00:25] <LjL> mxiia, saying "SPAM" three times in a row isn't a very subtle way to spam
[00:25] <mxiia> ?
[00:25] <LjL> mxiia, did you check the fine print in Mibbit, which said you're *not* anonymous?
[00:25] <mxiia> yea...
[00:25] <mxiia> prolly was my sister on my account, though not blaming others..
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[00:26] <mxiia> yea
[00:26] <mxiia> <_<
[00:26] <mneptok> this is why screensavers have passwords, son
[00:27] <PriceChild> mxiia: You are responsible for the connections you make.
[00:27] <mxiia> Yes, i know, how long am I banned?
[00:27] <PriceChild> Mimi: outbri: Can I help either of you?
[00:28] <LjL> mxiia: you or your sister joined, then after being banned, attempted to join again for 2 hours. for some reason that seems to me uncomfortably much to believe it was an accident
[00:28] <outbri> Wow, this channel gets quite a bit of attention. ;) No, I just heard about the channel in a reply to mxii #ubuntu and thought I'd check it out.
[00:29] <PriceChild> outbri: could you reword that last bit please, I didn't quite understand.
[00:29] <outbri> In a reply to mxii *in* the #ubuntu channel.
[00:30] <LjL> #ubuntu+1, even
[00:30] <outbri> Err, yeah. In other words, you don't have to waste any time on me, I didn't need anything.
[00:31] <LjL> outbri: ok, but we'd prefer this channels' discussion to remain private between the ops and the people involved
[00:32] <outbri> Sounds good to me, even if it is 50 ops to each person. :P
[00:32] <outbri> Cya.
[01:43] <LjL> if you have someone in -proxy-users who you feel comfortable joining #ubuntu, you can "exempt nick!ident@host" in -ops-monitor from now on
[01:43] <LjL> an exempt will be added by the bots, and removed when the user parts or is kicked (just like with mibbit)
[01:45] <nalioth> excellent :)  grazi, LjL
[01:46] <LjL> grazie* ;)
[01:49] <PriceChild> automatic mibbit one still done?
[01:53] <LjL> sure PriceChild
[01:53] <LjL> unless i've introduced bugs in the process, but i checked briefly and it still worked
[01:53] <LjL> on the other hand
[01:54] <LjL> after today's quite unpleasant flood that the floodbots managed to do almost nothing about
[01:56] <LjL> i've tightened the flood triggers a little
[01:56] <LjL> that means, however, that if a bot gets very lagged, it *could* go berserk and set +rR without any actual attack
[01:56] <LjL> hope it never happens but if it does well, let me know
[02:06] <PriceChild> fail
[02:11] <LjL> uh...
[02:11] <LjL> PriceChild: didn't fail, that was someone testing the bots
[02:11] <PriceChild> sorry, i was thinking the evil person was failing
[02:11] <LjL> PriceChild: look at "Expl0ited"
[02:12] <PriceChild> hmm?
[02:12] <LjL> (also, the exploitER had an unaffiliated cloak, by the way)
[02:13] <LjL> PriceChild: well, it's weird that someone whose nickname is "Expl0ited" would fall victim of an exploit... no?
[02:14] <LjL> might just be me being overly suspicious of course.
[02:14] <PriceChild> very odd
[03:01] <StonewallJackson> I am stonewall Jackson
[03:11] <StoneWallJackson> I am StoneWallJackson
[08:43] <jussi01> Morning all!
[08:43] <jussi01> hrm... Stonewall jackson... right...
[08:47] <Flannel> Howdy jussi01
[08:48] <jussi01> Morning flannel
[09:17] <Flannel> I can't decide whether A|}EEL is trying to cause problems, or just... being himself
[14:04] <Tm_T> hi LjL && Mez
[14:05] <LjL> hi
[14:25] <Mez> hey Tm_T
[14:25]  * Mez wonders why the < and > round a user are now unreadable

[14:31] <jdong> Mez: did you switch from a black to white terminal or vice-versa and forget to update your theme? :)
[14:32] <Mez> nope... still same theme, same terminal
[14:32] <Mez> it's just the ones around nicks are purple, and hard to see, they werent earlier
[14:33] <Mez> infact, It's still the same session as when they were visible
[14:36]  * jdong blames it on compiz.
[14:36]  * Mez doesnt use compiz
[14:41] <Mez> what happened to Myrtti?
[14:43] <Tm_T> Mez: he's on duty elsewhere
[14:43] <Mez> he?
[14:43] <Tm_T> she, bah
[14:43] <Tm_T> whatever
[14:43] <Mez> "on duty"?
[14:44] <Tm_T> dunno details
[14:44]  * Mez sends an SMS
[14:44] <Tm_T> I hope he can receive one, as she stated that he cannot take calls
[14:45] <Tm_T> she
[14:45] <Tm_T> bah, she's more he than I am
[14:47] <Pici> o.O
[16:10] <LjL> !version
[16:10] <LjL> !no version is <reply> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -dc » in a !shell - To know the available version of a package, « apt-cache policy <package> »
[16:39] <Mez> LjL: ??
[16:39] <LjL> yes?
[16:40] <Mez> why dc instead of rc?
[16:40] <LjL> ljl@ljlbox:~$ lsb_release -rc
[16:40] <LjL> Release:        8.04
[16:40] <LjL> Codename:       hardy
[16:40] <LjL> ljl@ljlbox:~$ lsb_release -dc
[16:40] <LjL> Description:    Ubuntu 8.04.1
[16:40] <LjL> Codename:       hardy
[16:40] <Mez> yeah, I know the difference
[16:40] <Mez> but.
[16:40] <LjL> but, "-r" doesn't give you the real version.
[16:40] <Mez> Description:	Ubuntu intrepid (development branch)
[16:40] <Mez> Codename:	intrepid
[16:41] <LjL> for that matter, i don't know why that's been changed from "lsb_release -a" to begin with
[16:41] <Mez> @login
[16:41] <LjL> Mez: well that's correct
[16:41] <LjL> Intrepid doesn't really have a version number yet
[16:41] <LjL> it might be delayed (it won't, but)
[16:42] <Mez> !version =~ s/lsb_release -dc/lsb_release -a/
[16:42] <Mez> !version
[16:42] <LjL> good call, i'm pretty sure nobody will be bothered by the couple more informative lines that outputs.
[16:43] <Mez> and er, why use policy, policy is a bit confusing right?
[16:43] <LjL> what else would you use? it's the command virtually everyone gives in #ubuntu to check package version, both installed and available, and just where it came from
[16:43] <Mez> madison ?
[16:44] <LjL> doesn't even tell you whether the package is actually installed
[16:44] <Mez> dpkg -l ? :P
[16:45] <LjL> what's wrong with apt-cache policy? it's just what that command exists for
[16:45] <Mez> It's not very readable to be used in a factoid like that
[16:46] <LjL> not sure i see why
[16:46] <Mez> well, do you understand what
[16:46] <Mez>         500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages
[16:46] <Mez>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[16:46] <LjL> the output of dpkg -l, on the other hand, is far from readable
[16:46] <Mez> means?
[16:46] <LjL> of course i do
[16:47] <LjL> the version is available from intrepid's main repository, british mirror, with priority 500
[16:47] <LjL> it's known to the local status file
[16:47] <Mez> priority ?
[16:47] <LjL> yes, the repository's priority is 500
[16:47] <Mez> what do you mean "priority"?
[16:48] <LjL> i mean that if APT has to choose between two packages, it will choose the one with the higher priority
[16:48] <LjL> the security repository has a high priority
[16:48] <LjL> locally installed packages have a low priority
[16:49] <Mez> not neccessarily
[16:49] <LjL> anyway, no one can mistake the part where it says "Installed: <version>, Candidate: <version>"
[16:50] <Mez> It's actually the pinning priority ;)
[16:50] <stdin> Mez, LjL: it was changed to -rc because people often paste all of "lsb_release -a" to the channel
[16:50] <Mez> stdin: all 4 ?
[16:51] <LjL> Mez: what other priority there is?
[16:51] <Flannel> LjL: Any?
[16:51] <stdin> Mez: why 4 when 2 will do
[16:51] <LjL> Flannel: hm?
[16:51] <Mez> stdin: why 2 when 1 will do?
[16:51] <Flannel> LjL: You can specify arbitrary priorities
[16:51] <stdin> and it'll probably print 5 actually
[16:52] <LjL> stdin: because they don't really
[16:52] <Flannel> The important thing about -a vs the others is it also has the codename
[16:52] <Flannel> oh wait
[16:52] <LjL> Flannel: -c gives the codename
[16:52] <Flannel> LjL: see above
[16:52] <Mez> why not lsb_release -c
[16:53] <Flannel> Mez: because that's not the actual release name?
[16:53] <LjL> Mez: because a lot of people know their codenames but not their version numbers, and vice versa
[16:53] <stdin> -a == -virdc
[16:53]  * Flannel is torn between -d and -r
[16:53] <Flannel> well, with -c
[16:53] <LjL> also
[16:53] <LjL> "description" (-d or -a) will let us know whether they're actually using ubuntu
[16:53] <LjL> or a derivative
[16:53] <LjL> "release" won't
[16:53] <Flannel> actually, thats sometimes important
[16:54] <LjL> yes, it is, given the amount of Mint etc. users who sneak in
[16:54] <Flannel> so, lets just leave it as -a, most people know not to paste, etc.
[16:54] <Flannel> social fixes for social problems, etc.
[16:54] <stdin> do all derivatives change the description?
[16:54] <LjL> Flannel: and if they don't, they'll find out one way or another anyway
[16:54] <Mez> echo /etc/lsb-release
[16:54] <Flannel> LjL: but it makes it easier for us ;)
[16:54] <Mez> s/echo/cat/
[16:54] <LjL> stdin: well, maybe the stupid ones don't, but there's only so much i can do about it
[16:54] <LjL> Mez, that's what the factoid used to say (well, it said /etc/issue) years ago
[16:55] <Flannel> LjL: that's not acceptable!  you need to go change all of the derivative's descriptions.
[16:55] <LjL> Flannel: i will certainly bug them if i find out, you can bet on that
[16:55] <LjL> Flannel: the trademarks department of canonical would normally also like to hear about that
[16:57] <LjL> Flannel: anyway with "they'll find out one way or another", i meant to say that, if they don't paste all the five lines of -a but just two of them, then 5 minutes later they'll paste their entire xorg.conf
[16:58] <LjL> so if someone doesn't know they should use the pastebin, it's even better they start finding out while pasting something small
[17:44]  * Flannel is the reason for the double post
[17:51] <Pici> !ufw
[17:56] <genii> Good morning, afternoon or evening.
[17:56] <Flannel> Howdy genii
[17:56] <Pici> Hallo
[17:57] <genii> I'm on today with Konversation but tonight after work I'll return for more irssi practice...
[17:57] <genii> ;)
[17:58] <Pici> Heh ;)
[18:00] <PriceChild> genii: You don't have to switch.
[18:00] <Pici> genii: Obi-wan never told you what happened to your father.
[18:01] <genii> PriceChild: I figure I should probably know how it works anyways since the scripting features which make moderating easier, etc
[18:01] <genii> Pici: Yes, he was a fellow full of secrets
[18:03] <PriceChild> genii: time so far been at all eventful?
[18:04] <genii> PriceChild: As far as moderating #kubuntu , no. One fellow spamming some which I thnk mneptok took care of
[18:04] <PriceChild> Good good.
[18:04] <genii> They are generally well behaved in there :)
[18:23] <Mez> genii: indeed, :D thats why I prefer the kubuntu channels, less ops calls ;)
[18:24] <genii> How often does a mass bot attack like yesterday happen ?
[18:27] <Pici> genii: In #ubuntu?
[18:27] <Mez> depends on how evil the spammers are feeling
[18:28] <genii> Pici: Yeah there were what looked like maybe 6-10 different sites with botname variations
[18:28] <genii> Hmm
[18:29] <Pici> genii: Not too often, but often enough that we have the floodbots in place to handle mass joins and such.
[18:30] <genii> OK
[18:47] <LjL> widely depends on the time of the year, mostly
[18:50] <Mez> !eee is <alias> eeepc
[18:51]  * Mez is surprised it doesnt have info about nbr
[18:54] <Mez> o_O
[18:54] <Mez> my eeePC isnt booting
[18:55] <Mez> ah, left it on and knocked out power cable :D
[18:56] <jussi01> hehe
[19:06] <Tm_T> hi kids
[19:07] <ikonia> magnetron appears to be going off the rails
[19:10]  * Mez rolls eyes
[19:11]  * Mez wonders how the research team into FSOE is getting on
[19:11] <LjL> next time short ban, can't lead them to believe they can get this cruft through
[20:38] <LjL> !botabuse > ktron_    (ktron_, see the private message from Ubotu)
[20:56] <ScottK> maestrolinux has been popping in and out of Ubuntu IRC channels and link spamming.  He was just in #ubuntu-server.
[20:56] <ScottK> Riddell banned him in #kubuntu-devel, but I guess it needs doing on a wider basis.
[20:56] <christel> ScottK: klined, thanks
[20:57] <ScottK> Thank you.
[20:58] <christel> np


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[05:53] <doko> vorlon: yesterday you mentioned that ros-* would need some hints/overrides. however up to now there are none ... ros-ros-comm
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[10:19] <cascardo> Laney: thanks smcv for noticing and merging the workaround asap (about autopkgtest-virt-qemu)
[10:21] <cascardo> now we need a new upload of that
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[10:49] <cascardo> ah, I noticed in git a 5.8 upload is imminent
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[13:51] <juliank> cascardo: 5.7ubuntu2 is building in disco-proposed
[13:51] <juliank> because 5.8 would still take a day
[13:51] <juliank> (until it's synced I guess)
[13:52] <juliank> I'm not sure if it fixes the autopkgtest issue (the autopkgtest test suite is broken too in disco)
[13:59] <LocutusOfBorg> mitya57, qttools-opensource-src sync?
[14:19]  * LocutusOfBorg does sync it
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[16:09] <ddstreet> xnox it looks like you don't have any systemd in -proposed or any upload queue; you mind if i upload systemd srus or do you have something you'll be uploading soon (and if so please consider including lp #1755863 and lp #1804487)
[16:10] <LocutusOfBorg> ddstreet, I also have a virtualbox bug fixed in new systemd...
[16:10] <ddstreet> LocutusOfBorg you mean you have a patch waiting to get sru'ed?
[16:11] <LocutusOfBorg> oh... I thought about disco
[16:12] <ddstreet> yeah one of my bugs does need to go into disco, but the other is just sru
[16:14] <ddstreet> LocutusOfBorg if you were goign to upload systemd to disco anytime soon, please feel free to include the patch from my 1755863 ;-)
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg> no, because xnox would get sad :)
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg> this is my bug https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/10716
[16:16] <gitbot> systemd issue 10716 in systemd "systemd crashed during VirtualBox upgrade" [Has-Pr ✨, Pid1, Closed]
[16:25] <cyphermox> sil2100: around?
[16:26] <cyphermox> can you delete grub2 with my ~mtrudel5 version that I just uploaded to the wrong place?
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[16:30] <sil2100> cyphermox: hey
[16:30] <cyphermox> sil2100: it's ok after all
[16:30] <cyphermox> I went to cancel the builds at least
[16:30] <cyphermox> it's too late to do much else, I think.
[16:30] <sil2100> cyphermox: oh, ok, any deletions needed then?
[16:31] <sil2100> Ah, it went to -proposed already?
[16:31] <cyphermox> well it was a grub2 2.02+dfsg1-5ubuntu10~mtrudel5
[16:31] <cyphermox> it started building
[16:31] <cyphermox> it's a good package, just wrong version number; i wanted to do more testing first
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[17:06] <juliank> autopkgtest/5.7ubuntu2 is passing, so I'll retrigger failures from old versions now
[17:15] <juliank> should be done now
[17:15] <juliank> that should finally get hte new apt to migrate :D
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[18:58] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg: thanks for qttools sync
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[20:50] <tdaitx> Laney: I have a disco build for openjdk-lts ready on a ppa (tdaitx/openjdk), I assume autopkgtest will be using that same binary for the tests right? testing against disco's current version wouldn't work
[21:35] <juliank> Laney: FWIW, we got as far as getting tdaitx's build triggered, but it's blacklisted. I know which files to edit, but I'm not sure how to deploy them (and I can't commit to autopkgtest-cloud repo, as that ~ubuntu-release of course)
[21:36]  * juliank believes /me should join that thing eventually
[21:37] <juliank> So, I could hack them in and run deploy.sh, but I'm afraid it will blow everything up over the weekend
[21:37] <juliank> or well, out, not in
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[14:19] <tjaalton> when initctl list foo shows "foo stop/killed, process 12345" starting the daemon again just hangs
[14:19] <tjaalton> any idea to fix that?
[14:19] <tjaalton> without a reboot
[14:20] <tjaalton> stop just says it's stopped already
[14:22] <tjaalton> using saucy btw
[14:23] <tjaalton> i've had this happen a few times with sssd being the daemon, and when it happens shutdown hangs as well, need to force poweroff the machine
[14:23] <tjaalton> so sounds like a bug in upstart
[14:28] <tjaalton> anyone?
[14:32] <stgraber> tjaalton: hi
[14:32] <stgraber> tjaalton: so I'm assuming you're talking about sssd right? :)
[14:33] <stgraber> tjaalton: it gets into that state if the daemon fails (crashes) before it's done forking
[14:33] <stgraber> tjaalton: in such a case, upstart hasn't figure the final PID for the process and so is tracking the wrong PID
[14:33] <tjaalton> stgraber: yep
[14:33] <tjaalton> but it can't clean up it's state?
[14:34] <stgraber> tjaalton: unfortunately in such case, only a reboot can fix upstart's state (unless xnox or jodh know of a way around)
[14:35] <tjaalton> okay
[15:03] <tjaalton> fairly easy to get in that state
[15:04] <tjaalton> like if there's a valid config that won't load because some other bits are missing
[15:46] <stgraber> tjaalton: it's probably best to run with -i then and drop the expect fork
[15:47] <stgraber> that way upstart won't use ptrace, so it should be way more reliable and also slightly faster (saves an extra fork and saves the use of ptrace)
[15:48] <tjaalton> stgraber: interesting, i'll give it a go
[17:48] <tjaalton> stgraber: i didn't get it to work


[23:18] <guestadmin> arand: For some reason randomly the wireless internet cuts off, I can usually restore it perfect with sudo rmmod iwl3945 then suudo modprobe iwl3945, but sometimes my icon goes away and I cant restore it, or switch networks or disconnect without reboot
[23:18] <Leoneof`> Titan8990, ok , i will do now, just restart the pc, see you later ^_^
[23:18] <Teknoenie> boot recovery && chroot /target /bin/bash && aptitude -y purge the fglrx driver && rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:18] <Titan8990> Leoneof`, plug in and get on irc from linux
[23:18] <Titan8990> Leoneof`, be tons easier for you to get help
[23:18] <javimansilla> Titan8990: I have to. Support for old zopes
[23:18] <Leoneof`> ^_^
[23:18] <swoody> anyone have any idea why my window decorations don't show up when I start up the computer?? It works fine on other accounts on my computer, but not on mine
[23:19] <Titan8990> Teknoenie, you need to mount /dev and /proc when you chroot
[23:19] <UseTheForce> •Teknoenie• thanks a million for your help bro... i'm trying it out now
[23:19] <ikonia> vr_mex: ssh-keygen is still used
[23:19] <Teknoenie> Titan8990: recovery mode gives you the option to chroot and does that if you choose it
[23:19] <Titan8990> swoody, they are user specific settings
[23:19] <r00tur> guyz sorry to ask, but... does pulseaudio come with ubuntu 9.04 by default, like in Mint7, or its just a Mint7 "defaulty"?
[23:19] <Teknoenie> UseTheForce: no probs
[23:19] <Titan8990> Teknoenie, nice, wasn't aware
[23:19] <arand> guestadmin: I'm afraid I don't have an expalnation for that, maybe a serch on launchpad/forums for your card and problems would give some tips?
[23:19] <guestadmin> swoody: maybe you have to specifically apply each setting in each account
[23:20] <vr_mex> ikonia: allright so then can you please give me the options i should type?
[23:20] <knoxville> I'm having issues setting up my RAID 10, do I first have to make 2 raid 1s?
[23:20] <swoody> Titan8990:  how can I make them appear as usual again?
[23:20] <Titan8990> swoody, you could try copying the hidden settings folder from one user to the other
[23:20] <swoody> guestadmin:  well they were working fine until just recently, and I don't know what would have changed to cause it
[23:20] <guestadmin> arand: true, (already at it ;) ) Multitasking as we speak :p
[23:20] <Titan8990> swoody, although, I don't see much of a point to a single person using multiple user accounts
[23:20] <Teknoenie> swoody: if you don't mind reconfiguring all of your GNOME apps you can rm -rf .g*
[23:20] <Teknoenie> if you're using KDE them rm -rf .kde
[23:20] <guestadmin> swoody, was it around any system updates?
[23:20] <swoody> Titan8990:  no, I mean that my mom's account and my fiancee's account work, but not mine
[23:21] <test34> trothigar: I think I found it: sudo pico /etc/gnome/defaults.list
[23:21] <konseca> may i use a command on live cd as root?
[23:21] <swoody> guestadmin:  I'm not sure, I never restart my computer that often (once a month or so) so I can't really track down which one would have done it
[23:21] <Teknoenie> swoody: if you go to appearance and select a different theme does everything go back to normal?
[23:21] <funcky1> what command do you use to preform operations on a directory?
[23:21] <Titan8990> swoody, alright... this is potentially RISKY: sudo cp -a /home/mom'shome/.* /home/myhome/
[23:22] <Titan8990> swoody, try at your own risk
[23:22] <mr_steve> konseca: sure, use sudo. If you really really need an actual root shell, use sudo -i
[23:22] <swoody> Teknoenie:  no, but if I change the 'Visual Effects' to another level,  they come back
[23:22] <Teknoenie> swoody: what graphics card?
[23:22] <swoody> Titan8990:  well I really don't want to delete my entire home and all my settings
[23:22] <cwraig^work> hi i am looking for backup software to backup my svn server that i can schedule via cron does anyone have any advice?
[23:22] <guestadmin> swoody: that would be my only guess, you are unable to restore settings the way they were on that account when you configured it the first time?
[23:22] <funcky1> is it dir?
[23:22] <swoody> Teknoenie:  integrated laptop graphics. Intel 945GM if I remember correctly
[23:23] <trothigar> cwraig^work, do you need a gui?
[23:23] <Teknoenie> the problem is composite manager
[23:23] <cwraig^work> trothigar: no
[23:23] <Teknoenie> what level do you have effects set at?
[23:23] <r00tur> guyz sorry to ask again, but... does pulseaudio come with ubuntu 9.04 by default, like in Mint7, or its just a Mint7 "defaulty"? (its because i dont remember, as skype worked fine in ubuntu 9.04 I'm thinking that this could be a pulse audio issue)
[23:23] <swoody> Teknoenie:  off, but when I change them to 'Normal' and then back off, it works fine
[23:23] <Teknoenie> swoody: you can use lspci |grep -i vga to find out specifically
[23:23] <trothigar> cwraig^work, have a look at rdiff-backup and rsync
[23:24] <mr_steve> r00tur: pulseaudio is, unfortunately, included by default
[23:24] <Teknoenie> does the widget set require composite to work?
[23:24] <derekS> hey all. I am using procmail to filter email, and I have a catch-all address setup. Does anyone have a recipe for procmail that will take all all mails that weren't to my email and add something like "[CATCH-ALL]"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to the subject?
[23:24] <r00tur> thanks :D
[23:24] <swoody> Teknoenie:  yeah, 945GM
[23:24] <arand> r00tur: yes pulse is default since... hardy I think
[23:24] <Cige> Hey, I have been having a problem with pidgin, it refuses to connect with my gchat account, although all of my other accounts work fine.  Is this common?
[23:24] <jazbo> im having a problem installing photoshop cs4.
[23:24] <jazbo>  it hangs at the splash screen when I try to load it
[23:24] <jazbo>  ive seen something about a workaround, but i don't know what it is...
[23:24] <r00tur> ohhh, thanks guys
[23:24] <trothigar> cwraig^work, if you need incremental backup then go with rdiff-backup
[23:24] <funcky1> what command do you use to preform operations on a directory?
[23:24] <pcbuilder97> ubuntu dosent like to run on a octa core system
[23:25] <iMatter> i'm having issues with USB, its not working properly and my WD Passport won't mount so i cannot access the files here's my dmesg: http://paste2.org/p/336601
[23:25] <cwraig^work> trothigar: thanks i didnt consider rsync
[23:25] <guestadmin> swoody : I really have to go at the momnet, tho its seems a lot of helpful individuals out there are brainstorming with you. I wish I could have been more helpful
[23:25] <trothigar> funcky1, what operations
[23:25] <funcky1> like delete
[23:25] <pcbuilder97> i have 8 cores and 16 gigs of ram and its slow i dont get it
[23:25] <funcky1> rm
[23:25] <swoody> guestadmin:  no problem at all. Thanks for your help :)
[23:25] <vr_mex> ikonia: allright so then can you please give me the options i should type?
[23:25] <LexLuth0r> Hi, I have just installed Ubuntu but dunno how to install mIRC, can someone help please
[23:25] <trothigar> funcky1, rm -r for a directory and all the directorys below it
[23:25] <jrib> LexLuth0r: try xchat instead.  Use System -> Administration -> Synaptic
[23:25] <konraddo> i have a problem, y windows crashed, i'm on ubuntu live cd, and i need to check my HDD for bad sectors
[23:26] <LexLuth0r> cheers mate, will try it now
[23:26] <trothigar> LexLuth0r, +1 for xchat
[23:26] <jazbo> xchat works well for me
[23:26] <Kingsy101> can someone please help me get the resolution right on my ubuntu PC ? atm its only offering 800x600 when the monitor has a max res of 1280x1024
[23:26] <trothigar> konraddo, i don't believe you can do that from linux. but someone may know better?
[23:26] <jrib> !fixres > Kingsy101
[23:26] <jazbo> anybody know anything about installing photoshop?
[23:27]  * Teknoenie Kickstart/Preseeding
[23:27] <jrib> !appdb > jazbo
[23:27] <arand> funcky1: on an empty dir, you can use rmdir, to remove dir and contents use rm -r (use commands with care...)
[23:28] <arand> Kingsy101: is the video drivers in alright?
[23:28] <antigen> hey ikonia, i don't follow what you meant on how i would mount windows from the livedvd. and what the purpose or goal of that was. i sent you a pm
[23:28] <Kingsy101> arand - yea
[23:28] <jazbo> ive tried that, but nobody is there...
[23:29] <jrib> jazbo: no one is where?
[23:29] <jazbo> the wine channel
[23:29] <jrib> jazbo: didn't I give you a link to the appdb which contains instructions for installing apps in wine?
[23:29] <mechtech> are nfo files mountable like an ISO?
[23:30] <jazbo> yes
[23:30] <jrib> !iso | mechtech
[23:30] <jrib> jazbo: so read the photoshop entry.  And #winehq is not empty
[23:30] <jazbo> ive been there and still having problems
[23:30] <Kingsy101> jrib - can you talk me through how to set this up ? sorry I am bit of a n00b...
[23:30] <elbac> Is there a way I can allow a non-root user to bind to port 25?
[23:30] <jrib> Kingsy101: I just know what is on that page.  If you aren't sure about some step there let me know and I will try to help you
[23:31] <jazbo> im pretty new, but nobody was answering... for about 20 minutes
[23:31] <Kingsy101> jrib - alright
[23:31] <konraddo> anyone knows?
[23:31] <chris__> how do i set it so that i upgrade my distro through update manager
[23:31] <jrib> !helpme | konraddo
[23:31] <jazbo> so i assumed nobody was there
[23:31] <LexLuthor> Yipee, am now connected
[23:31] <Cige> Actually, in regards to my previous post, I have had problems with pidgin and gtalk on my ubuntu laptop, and windows partition as well, so it's not just limited to thin installation.
[23:31] <jrib> !upgrade > chris__
[23:31] <vr_mex> i screwd up and need to re-generate the system wide rsa and dsa keys again, I can see they are at /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key... how can i do it?
[23:31] <jrib> jazbo: not all channels are as active as this one
[23:32] <jrib> !who | jazbo
[23:32] <konraddo> ubottu: ok
[23:32] <Islington> hello is there a kde 4.3 version of stasks plasmoid?
[23:32] <jthomas> i know this is probably the wrong place to ask
[23:32] <konraddo> lol, ubottu is a bot
[23:32] <konraddo> ;D
[23:32] <jthomas> but does anyone know how to set a global command in windows?
[23:32] <Teknoenie> vr_mex: you can move the original keys out of the way, then re-run /etc/init.d/sshd if for global keys
[23:32] <jthomas> analogous to linux's alias?
[23:32] <Pici> jthomas: ##windows
[23:32] <jthomas> Pici: haha, thanks
[23:32] <jazbo> jrib: ok
[23:32] <mechtech> jrib:  didn't really answer the question
[23:32] <renic> quit
[23:32] <Teknoenie> if for personal just do the same and run ssh-keygen
[23:32] <renic> err..... / :)
[23:33] <konraddo> i have problem with my HDD
[23:33] <konraddo> and i need to check it for bad sectors, can i do it under linux?
[23:33] <Leoneof> Titan8990, can you give me the website to paste report about wireless?
[23:33] <jrib> mechtech: you can convert it (see ubottu's link).  I don't know if you can mount it without converting it first
[23:33] <UseTheForce> •Teknoenie• sorry if it's a stupid question... but i tried to figure out the cmds u gave me. i didn't really install the ati driver as a package using apt.. but i downloaded the .run from ati's homepage. is there a simmilar purge command for such packages?
[23:33] <mechtech> jrib:  ok...thanks
[23:33] <mechtech> !iso
[23:33] <Teknoenie> konraddo: you can but it could damage the disk
[23:33] <LexLuthor> Can I map a network drive to my windows PC?
[23:34] <Steil> my balls stink
[23:34] <Teknoenie> UseTheForce: no
[23:34] <konraddo> Teknoenie: damage filesystem or damage HDD physically?
[23:34] <eric__> ubuntu is soo much better than windows and mac :)
[23:34] <Teknoenie> filesystem
[23:34] <rootlinuxusr> LexLuthor: yes.
[23:34] <vr_mex> Teknoenie: ok, and how do i re run etc/init.d/sshd ?
[23:34] <bugfly> vr_mex: /etc/init.d/sshd restart
[23:34] <Islington> hello is there a kde 4.3 version of stasks plasmoid?
[23:34] <arand> mechtech: there may also be dedicated mount tools which has support for other image formats, a google search might hel there?
[23:34] <UseTheForce> •Teknoenie• dang... so i'm outta luck?
[23:34] <skinofstars11> Islington: try a kde channel
[23:35] <dtolj> Anybody know of a tool/script that will create screenshots from a video automatically at time intervals? I know mplayer can do it but its a manual process.
[23:35] <mr_steve> vr_mex: sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart
[23:35] <Pici> Islington: May I suggest asking in #kubuntu as well?
[23:35] <Teknoenie> UseTheForce: you should have used the fglrx drive as supplied by ubuntu
[23:35] <Zlow> How can I find how much free space I have availalbe?
[23:35] <konraddo> Teknoenie: it's not a problem, i've backuped all importand data
[23:35] <bugfly> arand, mount support -t <filetype>
[23:35] <vr_mex> bugfly: ok so then it would be : sudo ... right thank ;-)
[23:35] <mechtech> arand:  thanks, I guess I was just being lazy
[23:35] <rootlinuxusr> zlow: df -h
[23:35] <konraddo> but please tell which program i have to use :>
[23:35] <Teknoenie> i think there is an uninstall option for the ati installer though
[23:35] <Alvinware> Zlow, system monitor.
[23:36] <skinofstars11> Zlow: Applications> Accessories > Disk Usage Analyser
[23:36] <bugfly> arand, mount support -t cifs, if you want to mount a want file system
[23:36] <Teknoenie> konraddo: man badblocks
[23:36] <UseTheForce> •Teknoenie• yah... i should... *sniff* *sniff*
[23:36] <jrib> mechtech: actually I don't see nfo there.  I don't know then.  What does « file /path/to/yourfile » return?
[23:36] <konraddo> ok thx :)
[23:36] <Alvinware> zlow, both.
[23:36] <vr_mex> and how do  do it for both rsa and dsa?
[23:36]  * Teknoenie slaps UseTheForce
[23:36] <Teknoenie> :)
[23:36] <UseTheForce> hehe
[23:36] <mechtech> jrib:  lemme find out
[23:36] <arand> bugfly: We were talking about cd-image formats, doubt more than iso/udf is available through mount.
[23:36] <Teknoenie> run the ati installer with -uninstall I think should remove it
[23:36] <Teknoenie> you might need to reinstall
[23:37] <Alvinware> where can i get dota for ubuntu?
[23:37] <Teknoenie> but of course, sensably you put home on a separate file system so it is easy enough to do right. :)
[23:37] <UseTheForce> •Teknoenie• heeh... uhm... well....
[23:37] <arand> Alvinware: look a getting wc3 running in wine...
[23:38] <Zlow> I just installed 9.04 duel booting.  I had 60 gigs of unpartitioned space, why is my / partition only 2.3 gig?  I cant install updates :(  Any way to expand it now?
[23:38] <BlueLaguna> When is the next Ubuntu LTS release?
[23:38] <jrib> !lts | BlueLaguna
[23:38] <Alvinware> arand wine a free, must install windows?
[23:39] <mr_steve> Zlow: you can use a gparted livecd to resize your partitions as long as the partition you will be shrinking has enough free space
[23:39] <BlueLaguna> jrib: I see.  When is 10.04 expected to be released?
[23:39]  * Teknoenie Working, back in a bit
[23:39] <jrib> BlueLaguna: 10.04 means 2010 4th month
[23:39] <UseTheForce> •Teknoenie• aw well.. guess i have no options left... thanks a million for your kind help bro.
[23:40] <arand> Alvinware: huh? seemingly wc3 works fairly well in wine/ubuntu: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=3126&iTestingId=41436
[23:40] <BlueLaguna> jrib: Oh, ok.  Thanks
[23:40] <Zlow> mr_steve: thanks but my computer doesn't like gparted.  I'll re-install.
[23:40] <arand> !wine > Alvinware
[23:40] <Zlow> !wine | Zlow
[23:41] <BlueLaguna> BlueLaguna: Heh, I was playing WC3 a few minutes ago actually
[23:41] <mechtech> jrib: it's a text file inviting me to rip hd dvds for some online dvd distributing consortium
[23:41] <jrib> mechtech: heh
[23:41] <arand> Zlow: use /msg ubottu !item to keep the cahnnel clean ;)
[23:42] <cwraig^work> what is the command to make a modprobe permanent? i cannot remember
[23:42] <jrib> !modules | cwraig^work
[23:42] <jrib> argh
[23:43] <konraddo> btw which program can i use to make a 100% HDD erasing?
[23:43] <rootlinuxusr> shred?
[23:43] <tonii> dd as well
[23:44] <konraddo> ok, thanks a lot :)
[23:44] <vr_mex> Teknoenie: ok, and how do i re run etc/init.d/sshd restart i get a command not found but i do have /usr/sbin/sshd what am i doing wrong to re-generate the system wide keys?
[23:44] <jrib> cwraig^work: add it to /etc/modules
[23:44] <Alvinware> bearand, Warning: These are beta packages
[23:44] <Alvinware> arand, Warning: These are beta packages
[23:45] <lstarnes> vr_mex: the init.d script is named ssh, not sshd
[23:45] <guestadmin> My wireless applet in the upper left disappeared, how do I restore it? typing "nm-applet" works...until I close the Terminal, which makes it disappear, how do I make it stay permanent?
[23:45] <blognewb> hi guys what is this line for:
[23:45] <blognewb>  touch /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh ?
[23:45] <antigen> can i somehow modify something in the grub loader? Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS // i cant log into 9.04 or XP. I used the LiveDVD and selected BOOT from 1st Hardisk > grub loader appears > and now i am in windowsxp. can i do the same thing again and get into 9.04 and modify something in grub?? i am not sure how or what exactly. i need to get these two running back somehow without losing or reinstalling my
[23:45] <Ademan> blognewb: it either creates, or updates the "modified time" of the file /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh
[23:45] <jason__> How can I start an application from the command line in GNOME so that it starts minimizeD?
[23:45] <vr_mex> lstarnes: oops ;-) thanks
[23:45] <blognewb> Ademan: thank you so very much
[23:45] <jrib> jason__: maybe with wmctrl?
[23:46] <antigen> i am in ubuntu 9.04 now doing the same thing, but only with the livedvd
[23:46] <guestadmin> arand: I made some progress, typing nm-applet in the Terminal works.....that is till I close the terminal
[23:46] <arand> Alvinware: I don't know.
[23:46] <Ademan> blognewb: no problem, note if the file doesn't exist the file that's created is entirely empty
[23:46] <arand> guestadmin: what about "nm-applet &"
[23:46] <Alvinware> arand, i can got the stable from synaptic.
[23:47] <Alvinware> arand, how to update clamav anti-virus engine?
[23:48] <guestadmin> arand lets see
[23:48] <arand> Alvinware: I think there is a freshclam command...
[23:48] <Daps> posted on a shoutbox recently and the admin was able to point out who I was and where I was, anyone know how that is possible?? and how do you keep yourself anonymous?
[23:48] <Alvinware> arand, the command?
[23:48] <Pici> !offtopic | Daps
[23:49] <konraddo> cYa
[23:49] <Daps> thanks
[23:49] <Daps> sorry
[23:49] <guestadmin> arand, still dissappears when I close the terminal, hmm, its better than nothing, but theres got to be some way to get it to stick...hmm
[23:49] <mr_steve> guestadmin: try nohup nm-applet
[23:50] <Alvinware> Pici, How to update the clamav anti-virus engine?
[23:50] <arand> Alvinware: I don't know, I don't use clamav, but the command just seems to be "freshclam" provided you have the package clamav-freshclam installed
[23:50] <Pici> Alvinware: I don't know, I don't use it.
[23:50] <rootlinuxusr> Is there a gui front-end for clamav?
[23:50] <UseTheForce> •Teknoenie• dude i think i love u... everything is back to normal now... found an ati uninstaller in usr/share/ati... thanks a million for your help
[23:50] <J-_> !mpd
[23:50] <Alvinware> Pici, Beta Firefox 3.5 for Ubuntu.
[23:51] <Pici> Alvinware: What?
[23:51] <dsdeiz> woah, clamav? are there viruses on ubuntu? :S
[23:51] <arand> rootlinuxusr: think so, clamtk is the package.
[23:51] <Alvinware> Pici, In Add/Remove.
[23:51] <antigen> anyone know how I can fix this Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS? I can access both XP and Ubuntu 9.04 via the LiveDVD when I select : boot from 1st hard disk and then selecting either option from GRUB. I just can't do this without the LiveDVD when GRUB appears - I get that error message.
[23:51] <Teknoenie> UseTheForce: no probs
[23:51] <Pici> Alvinware: I didn't ask about it.
[23:51] <rootlinuxusr> the point of running a anti-virus is to protect your computer from passing on viruses.
[23:52] <Alvinware> dsdeiz, Yes, take a lot in Clamav website.
[23:52] <rootlinuxusr> But there are a few known virus' ....very rare.
[23:52] <guestadmin> nice mr_steve, problem solved :)
[23:52] <Alvinware> dsdeiz, i mean take a look.
[23:52] <motoh> Can anyone help me with this permissions issue with PS1 CDs?
[23:52] <sketchyd_> hi - my apt-get is failing on installing mysql
[23:52] <arand> dsdeiz: not to a noticable extent you might still want to scan your files for virus if you share them with windows though...
[23:52] <sketchyd_> i would like help removing and reinstalling
[23:53] <blognewb> Ademan: hi how do i know if the file created is empty? there were no prompt messages after hitting enter
[23:53] <m314> I'm about to install Ubuntu Server edition on a CF card, should I use a particulair partitioning scheme for that?
[23:53] <Alvinware> once Linux become popular, virus become poplar to linux too!
[23:53] <rootlinuxusr> There a way to only show selective icons on the desktop? - like external drives, but still have Computer/Network/External Drive 2.
[23:53] <blognewb> god im so dumb
[23:53] <Kingsy101> can someone help me, I have managed to get the resolution changed on my PC but now the mouse and keyboard arnt working.. anyone know why this might happen ?
[23:53] <dsdeiz> oh, you meant scan for viruses that are for windows?
[23:53] <Islington> hello is there a kde 4.3 version of stasks plasmoid?
[23:54] <delly> Alvinware: Nah, its just so much harder to make virus you know.....
[23:54] <delly> Alvinware: On Unix platforms
[23:54] <guestadmin> arand found the solution courtesy of mr_steve should you ever need it , opened the terminal and typed "nohup nm-applet", closed terminl, and it stayed right there ;)
[23:54] <DasEi> Kingsy101: is there anything wtitten in you /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[23:55] <Alvinware> delly, yeah, because of the root, and quick fix.
[23:55] <arand> dsdeiz: Virus for linux are yet (and some say ever) not really a concern.
[23:55] <Kingsy101> DasEi - yea I made some additions which is when it went faulty
[23:55] <Alvinware> delly, u know some really smart guy can be bad too.
[23:55] <mr_steve> guestadmin: you'll still have to do something in System>Preferences>Startup Applications if you want it to be permanent
[23:56] <DasEi> Kingsy101: so back that file up, maybe paste it here, then run : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[23:56] <sketchyd_> can anyone help me fix my mysql install?
[23:56] <delly> Alvinware: the is more to it that that.... For starts we can start with the fact that we are opensource. More users = more people who can take a glance at the sourcecode, it does not share the propitary problem.
[23:56] <arand> dsdeiz: but if linux acts as a server, or is providing files to windows in some way, you still might want to ensure that the files are virus-free...
[23:56] <guestadmin> mr_steve: Maybe, but It always works anyways on startup, it only dissappeas halfway through internet use
[23:56] <Akufen> sketchyd_ what errors are you getting?
[23:56] <mr_steve> guestadmin: ah, I see
[23:57] <pcbuilder97> can anybody tell me how to clear out my logfile?
[23:57] <sketchyd_> Akufen: when i remove - E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[23:57] <Cige> Hey, I have been having a problem with pidgin, it refuses to connect with my gchat account, although all of my other accounts work fine.  Is this common?
[23:57] <DasEi> Kingsy101: nedd more help on that ?
[23:57] <DasEi> need*
[23:57] <arand> guestadmin: that is indeed a convenient command.
[23:57] <guestadmin> mr_steve, well, just in case , what should I know, should I ever face That problem as well
[23:57] <sketchyd_> also, Akufen: invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.
[23:57] <Grizmawe> pcbuilder97: from terminal run "cat /dev/null > logfile"
[23:57] <jchamm1> DasEi: I am not a Gchat user, but I suspect you're doing something wrong.
[23:57] <Kingsy101> DasEi - http://pastie.org/555725
[23:57] <pcbuilder97> thanx
[23:57] <Kingsy101> that is what my xorg file looked like before I restarted
[23:57] <Ademan> blognewb: hey sorry, uh, if you type    less <filename>     it will say END right away, if it's not empty, the END will be after the contents of the file.  (hit q to exit less)
[23:58] <Akufen> sketchyd_ did you try this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/sub-process-usrbindpkg-returned-an-error-code-1-171107/ ?
[23:58] <DasEi> jchamm1: so ?
[23:58] <Alvinware> delly, if a server using linux, client using windows, will windows still get the windows virus?
[23:58] <sock> ubuntu sucks
[23:58] <Kingsy101> DasEi - yea please I could do with a hand
[23:58] <mr_steve> guestadmin, if you have a look in System>Preferences>Startup Applications, you'll see what I mean. It's basically just a list of apps to start when you login to Gnome
[23:58] <jchamm1> DasEi: Err, wrong person. That was aimed at Cige.
[23:59] <jchamm1> DasEi: Sorry. ;)
[23:59] <Akufen> anyone here with a d-link router?
[23:59] <delly> Alvinware: there are chances. And thats facts. Just because the Linux server is immune, does not mean it can spread another platforms virus.
[23:59] <blognewb> Ademan: thank you
[23:59] <DasEi> Kingsy101: open a terminal , sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg_backup
[23:59] <Grizmawe> Alvinware: if you mean sharing through samba as a windows share then any virus infected windows file will still have the virus when opened in windows
[23:59] <DasEi> jchamm1: np
[23:59] <delly> Alvinware: It will.....
[23:59] <snarkster> can any one answer a few samba questions?
[23:59] <podginater> which came first the chicken or the egg?
[23:59] <Kingsy101> DasEi - 1 sec I need to re-boot it and get into grub
[23:59] <Kingsy101> hold on