[01:49] <jcastro> dobey: http://paste2.org/p/476138
[01:49] <jcastro> I think my client broke
[01:49]  * jcastro makes explosion sounds
[01:50] <jcastro> there's nothing in my keyring about ubuntuone according to seahorse
[01:53]  * pfibiger makes more explosion sounds
[01:53] <pfibiger> those are fun!
[02:56] <sageNsand> Im testing Karmic 9.10. When I press Connect in the applet nothing happens. I can login to my cloud and my files have never been updated ever. I think pressing Connect is suppose to send a command to update. Is this the way update works?
[03:30] <dobey> jcastro: oauth-login.log doesn't have anything useful in it?
[03:48] <Bossmanbeta> Hi, I am suffering from this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/451670  Launchpad claims a fix was released. I did an apt-get upgrade, I believe the latest version was applied, but I am still suffering from this error.
[03:49] <dobey> when you run ubuntuone-client-applet from the command line, it reports that exact AttributeError trace on the console?
[03:49] <Bossmanbeta> stand by
[03:49] <Bossmanbeta> last line is: AttributeError: HTTPSConnection instance has no attribute '_tunnel_host'
[03:50] <Bossmanbeta> I am looking in the syndaemon-exceptions.log
[03:50] <Bossmanbeta> should I be looking elsewhere
[03:50] <dobey> what does "dpkg -l ubuntuone-client-gnome" say you have installed?
[03:51] <Bossmanbeta> 1.0.1+r257-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty
[03:51] <dobey> you don't have the new version installed
[03:51] <dobey> run apt-get update
[03:51] <Bossmanbeta> i did an apt-get upgrade
[03:51] <Bossmanbeta> and update
[03:51] <Bossmanbeta> i even tried a dist-upgrade
[03:51] <dobey> when?
[03:51] <Bossmanbeta> 2 mins ago
[03:52] <Bossmanbeta> wait
[03:52] <Bossmanbeta> .......................
[03:52] <dobey> the fix is in 1.1+r261
[03:52] <Bossmanbeta> <--looking stupid for the moment.  0.0
[03:53] <Bossmanbeta> holy ka-crap
[03:53] <Bossmanbeta> I didn't do an update
[03:53] <Bossmanbeta> my fault
[03:53] <Bossmanbeta> sorry :\
[03:53] <dobey> :)
[03:53] <Bossmanbeta> <humble apologies>
[03:53] <Bossmanbeta> ya it's workin :)
[03:54] <Bossmanbeta> 1 question then :)
[03:54] <dobey> ok
[03:54] <Bossmanbeta> any way to get this working on Android? :)  would I have to use the browser I suppose?
[03:54] <dobey> i don't really know anything about android development
[03:54] <Bossmanbeta> Ok I can ask in #android
[03:55] <Bossmanbeta> do you know if ubuntuone works on mobile browsers though?
[03:55] <Bossmanbeta> (I haven't tried)
[03:56] <Bossmanbeta> (trying right now)
[03:56] <dobey> the web? depends on the browser. it works on my Palm Pre. i think the web guys might also be working on a view formatted for mobile though
[03:56] <dobey> <- not a web guy :)
[03:56] <Bossmanbeta> eh
[03:57] <Bossmanbeta> it comes up -- laggy
[03:57] <Bossmanbeta> (on wifi)
[03:57] <Bossmanbeta> ..says "Loading ..." on the file listing panel
[03:57] <Bossmanbeta> This is a G1
[03:58] <dobey> there is a fair amount of JS
[03:58] <dobey> it might be a bit slow
[03:58] <Bossmanbeta> yea
[03:58] <Bossmanbeta> it's stuck on Loading ....
[03:59] <Bossmanbeta> guess not
[03:59] <Bossmanbeta> I'll ask in #android
[03:59] <Bossmanbeta> thank you for the tip .. it helps to apt-get update :D
[03:59] <dobey> indeed
[04:00] <Bossmanbeta> another question
[04:00] <Bossmanbeta> could I mount an ubuntuone folder with ecryptfs?
[04:02] <dobey> don't see why not, but i'm not entirely sure how ecryptfs works exactly
[04:03] <dobey> but i must go
[04:03] <dobey> time to sleep for me :)
[04:03] <Bossmanbeta> thanks again dobey
[04:03] <dobey> sure
[04:03] <dobey> later
[04:08] <Bossmanbeta> Anyone know if UbuntuOne supports ecryptfs locally on the UbuntuOne folder?
[04:19] <Bossmanbeta> how do you force ubuntuone to sync with the cloud?
[04:19] <Bossmanbeta> I've just added files but I don't yet see it on the web interface
[04:35] <Bossmanbeta> how do you force ubuntuone to sync with the cloud?
[04:35] <Bossmanbeta> I've just added files but I don't yet see it on the web interface
[04:54] <Bossmanbeta> how do you force ubuntuone to sync with the cloud? I tried disconnecting/re-connecting, doesn't seem to work and I've added files I don't yet see in the web interface.
[07:03] <magatz> thanks everybody for the fix to ubuntuone client! now works like a charm on kubuntuy 9.04!
[10:38] <lodder> using karmic on ubuntu server with freenx and ubuntuone-applet is telling it's updating but no changes occure, is there a log or an other way I can see what it's doing?
[10:59] <teknico> lodder, look in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log
[10:59] <lodder> teknico: ok
[11:00] <lodder> teknico: NoAccessToken: No access token found.
[11:00] <lodder> how do i solve this
[11:01] <teknico> aquarius, ideas? ^^
[11:01] <lodder> teknico: when i press connect on my other system it goes directly to ubuntu one for token now it dosn't
[11:05] <teknico> lodder, do you see a line with /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon when running "ps aux | grep syncdaemon" ?
[11:05] <lodder> yes
[11:05] <lodder> maby remove all the configs
[11:06] <teknico> try quitting the applet, running "u1sdtool -q", and launching the applet again
[11:07] <lodder> done now i'll do connect
[11:07] <lodder> when i press connect I get this: NoAccessToken: No access token found.
[11:09] <teknico> what version of ubuntuone-client do you have?
[11:09] <magatz> i'm back again: the applet disconnect after a few seconds it is started
[11:10] <lodder> teknico: how do I check it?
[11:10] <magatz> the sync log says: Failure: twisted.internet.error.ConnectionLost: Connection to the other side was lost in a non-clean fashion: Connection lost.
[11:10] <teknico> lodder, apt-cache show ubuntuone-client
[11:10] <lodder> 1.0.2-0ubuntu1
[11:11] <teknico> lodder, ok, that's the last stable one
[11:12] <lodder> teknico: maby reboot :s
[11:12] <magatz> obviosuly my connection works...
[11:12] <teknico> lodder, I don't think it would help :-)
[11:12] <teknico> magatz, I'll ask if there are service problems
[11:12] <magatz> thanks
[11:12] <lodder> teknico: I would need an authtoken
[11:20] <teknico> lodder, is your machine behind a proxy server, by any chance?
[11:20] <lodder> teknico: no, but when i start ubuntuone the first time i didn't go to the web page to add my pc
[11:22] <lodder> ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.DBus - ERROR - Can't get the auth token
[11:22] <lodder> an other error message
[11:23] <teknico> lodder, magatz, would you both please file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/ , so that we may better work on these problems?
[11:24] <teknico> please include the ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log and ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log files
[11:24] <teknico> thanks for now
[11:25] <lodder> teknico: ok first lunch
[11:25] <teknico> sure, no hurry :-)
[11:33] <aquarius> lodder, are you using jaunty or karmic?
[11:42] <Claudinux> curiosity: do you know when contacts page on ubuntuone will be available? thanks :)
[11:45] <aquarius> teknico, not fetching the access token may be a problem with the jaunty package, because jaunty python doesn't have SSL -- https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/451670
[11:46] <teknico> aquarius, right
[11:46] <aquarius> there is a fix for this but I'm not sure if it's been rolled out to a package yet
[11:46] <teknico> Claudinux, very shortly
[11:46] <Claudinux> thank you teknico
[11:58] <lodder> aquarius: i'm using karmic
[11:59] <lodder> teknico: aquarius still report a bug?
[11:59] <aquarius> lodder, I'd like to talk you through a couple of things first to see if we can fix it, if you have time?
[12:06] <lodder> aquarius: yes I have time
[12:06] <aquarius> lodder, OK, so, in Applications > Accessories > Passwords and Encryption Keys, is there an "UbuntuOne" token under "login"?
[12:07] <lodder> I can't find a Ubuntuone, but there is no login tab
[12:08] <lodder> only have passwords, My personal keys, other Keys
[12:08] <lodder> checked under Passwords
[12:11] <lodder> Found nothing
[12:13] <aquarius> ah, in Passwords, there should be two sections: "Passwords: login" and "Passwords: default"?
[12:15] <lodder> aquarius: I only have Passwords: default
[12:15] <aquarius> really?
[12:15] <lodder> yes
[12:15] <aquarius> no login keyring?
[12:15] <lodder> you need screenshot?
[12:15] <aquarius> no, I believe you, I'm just confused :)
[12:15] <aquarius> I thought everyone got a login keyring.
[12:15] <lodder> >I only have Passwors: default
[12:15] <aquarius> weird.
[12:16] <markgsaye> aquarius: I only have Passwords: login, but no Passwords: default
[12:16] <lodder> Do I need to make it?
[12:16] <aquarius> markgsaye, ah, that's OK; if nothing uses the default keyring then it won't be created (I only have one thing in it myself)
[12:16] <markgsaye> ah ok
[12:16] <aquarius> lodder, are there lots of things in the default keyring?
[12:16] <lodder> a few things
[12:16] <lodder> not important
[12:17] <aquarius> OK, so it's working, at least.
[12:17] <lodder> ;)
[12:17] <aquarius> if you do "killall ubuntuone-client-applet" from a Terminal window (Applications > Accessories > Terminal), and then restart the applet from that same terminal ("ubuntuone-client-applet"), what does it give as an error?
[12:18] <aquarius> (I think you did this above, so sorry if I'm going over old ground)
[12:18] <lodder> redoing it
[12:19] <lodder> raise NoAccessToken("No access token found.")
[12:20] <aquarius> and your web browser didn't appear and take you to one.ubuntu.com?
[12:21] <lodder> no it didn't appear maby I don't have a default browser?
[12:21] <markgsaye> aquarius: should lodder try: xdg-open http://one.ubuntu.com/ ?
[12:22] <lodder> markgsaye: that works
[12:23] <aquarius> lodder, can you have a look at ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log, specifically the last part of it, and see if there's anything that looks like an error?
[12:23] <aquarius> don't paste the contents of that file; it contains your secret tokens which other people should not see
[12:23] <lodder> Starting Ubuntu One client version 1.0.2
[12:23] <lodder> Unable to contact NetworkManager
[12:23] <lodder> ^ ^ not installed it's a server :p
[12:23] <aquarius> aha!
[12:23] <aquarius> there's your problem.
[12:24] <aquarius> The Ubuntu One client depends on NetworkManager.
[12:24] <lodder> do I have to install it even if I have server?
[12:24] <lodder> ah oke
[12:29] <lodder> brb
[12:31] <lodder> oke rebooted and also installed networkmanager
[12:34] <lodder> aquarius: teknico thx it works now ;) I thinkg
[12:34] <lodder> I had to to the auth token
[12:34] <aquarius> excellent!
[12:34] <teknico> lodder, great :-)
[12:38] <lodder> how can I see that ubuntu one is busy?
[12:39] <lodder> aquarius: teknico hwo can I also reset my ubuntu one files, and if you logged out does ubuntu one continue syncing?
[12:40] <teknico> lodder, click on the applet, and you'll see a status message
[12:41] <teknico> lodder, just delete the files you don't want to sync
[12:41] <aquarius> I don't know if syncing can continue if you're logged out. I think it cannot, but it would be useful to hear from the filesync team on that -- verterok, for example -- about whether you can run the syncdaemon when not logged in
[12:41] <teknico> lodder, no, the sync daemon is only active upon login
[12:42] <teknico> aquarius, yeah, it would be useful, but what should happen on a multiuser machine?
[12:42] <aquarius> teknico, don't know ;)
[12:42] <aquarius> verterok, ?
[12:43] <lodder> teknico: ok
[12:43] <lodder> I have now an empty ubuntu one local folder
[12:44] <lodder> 2009-10-20 13:44:01,036 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Main - NOTE - ---- MARK (state: STANDOFF_WAITING_WITH_NETWORK_WITH_BOTHQ; queues: metadata: 5; content: 98; hash: 0, fsm-cache: hit=12045 miss=1770) ----
[12:44] <lodder> is this ok ?
[12:45] <teknico> lodder, yes, it's just a statistics marker message
[12:46] <lodder> ah is there no other way
[12:46] <lodder> and I don't have the icon
[12:51] <lodder> help an other issue I tried logout anf login back in and now I lost my Ubuntu One folder: KeyError: '/home/lodder/Ubuntu One'
[12:51] <lodder> it's now Ubuntu One.u1conflict/
[12:53] <lodder> renamed it back to ubuntu one
[13:07] <verterok> aquarius: yes, only logged it will sync
[13:07] <aquarius> verterok, thanks; I thought that was the case but wasn't totally sure :)
[13:11] <facundobatista> lodder, hi!
[13:11] <verterok> lodder: hi, do you have the logs of the client?
[13:11] <verterok> facundobatista: all yours :)
[13:11] <facundobatista> lodder, that ^ :)
[13:11]  * verterok -> coffee
[13:11] <facundobatista> lodder, they're in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log
[13:12] <lodder> facundobatista: I know that but I have placed a folder in the ubuntu one folder
[13:13] <lodder> and I don't get it to see in the ubuntu one webinterface
[13:13] <facundobatista> lodder, that my take some moments
[13:13] <facundobatista> lodder, I'm worried about the conflict
[13:13] <facundobatista> lodder, if you can share your log with me, I can learn how that happened
[13:15] <lodder> facundobatista: oke, but I'm sorry to inform you I don't have time now
[13:15] <lodder> I'll hopefullt be back in 30 min
[13:15] <lodder> sorry for the inconvience
[13:15] <facundobatista> lodder, ping me when you're back, thanks!
[13:15] <lodder> facundobatista: ok
[13:19] <aquarius> facundobatista, verterok, thanks for getting involved; I'm OK with working out problems with oauth but I don't really know much about why the .u1conflict stuff happens :)
[13:21] <facundobatista> aquarius, neither we do ;) it's very strange, that's why I want the logs
[13:21] <facundobatista> aquarius, I suspect something involving auth failures, though
[13:21] <lodder> facundobatista: where do I upload the logs?
[13:23] <facundobatista> lodder, you can pastebin them, send them by mail to me, or open a bug and attach them there
[13:24] <lodder> i'll mail them :p
[13:25] <lodder> facundobatista: can you give me your email addres
[13:25] <lodder> and if you place the files in the ubuntu one folder the it should work
[13:25] <lodder> or do I have to place it in my files?
[13:26] <facundobatista> lodder<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:26] <facundobatista> lodder, do you have a "My Files" directory???
[13:26] <facundobatista> verterok, ^
[13:26] <facundobatista> lodder, which client version are you using?
[13:27] <lodder> facundobatista: in my local ubuntu one folder no only the share
[13:27] <facundobatista> lodder, where do you have a "My Files" dir?
[13:27] <lodder> 0.2-0ubuntu1
[13:27] <lodder> facundobatista: on the website
[13:28] <lodder> thx for all the great help
[13:28] <facundobatista> lodder, thank you
[13:28] <lodder> 1.0.2-0ubuntu1
[13:29] <verterok> lodder: better, 0.2 is *really* old client ;)
[13:30] <aquarius> 0.2? blimey
[13:30] <aquarius> oh, right, typo :)
[13:32] <lodder> oke
[13:32] <lodder> going to wait for more instructions
[13:32] <magatz> ping: teknico
[13:32] <magatz> opened a bug report
[13:33] <magatz> bug 456217
[13:33] <teknico> magatz, thanks
[13:35] <teknico> markgsaye, if you got that problem too, want to add any details to the bug magatz created?
[13:35]  * markgsaye checks
[13:36] <facundobatista> lodder, I see in the logs that it uploaded a lot of files, and there some to go
[13:36] <facundobatista> lodder, nothing appears on the web?
[13:40] <lodder> no, sorry
[13:40] <lodder> it remains empty
[13:41] <lodder> is there a dely?
[13:41] <facundobatista> lodder, yes, always, but I think we're suffering from longer delay than usual these days, :(
[13:42] <lodder> facundobatista:is the loccation of the files ok?
[13:42] <lodder> what is the normal delay?
[13:42] <facundobatista> lodder, the changes are propagated through the different servers
[13:42] <facundobatista> lodder, I really don't know what is "normal"
[13:43] <lodder> ok
[13:44] <lodder> i'll check it again in an hour or so, then I should have some results
[13:44] <lodder> through ln i can put config files in ubuntu one right?
[13:44] <facundobatista> lodder, ok, thanks
[13:44] <facundobatista> lodder, yes, Ubuntu One is the place to put them
[13:45] <aquarius> lodder, at the moment you need to put the actual files in ~/Ubuntu One and then put a symlink where the file used to be; you can't just put symlinks in your Ubuntu One folder
[13:46] <lodder> aquarius: ok, i'll try to do it as soon as possible then ;)
[14:07] <legend2440> why do i keep getting  Internal Server Error? all i'm trying to do is upload a small jpg file to test ubuntuone
[14:09] <legend2440> i'm using  karmic
[14:19] <bond> hi all. How long wait api yet?
[14:22] <lodder> just check again still nothing .... 0 bytes Used
[14:27] <dobey> bond: sorry?
[14:27] <joshuahoover> legend2440: you're uploading via the web?
[14:27] <jamalta_> morning
[14:27] <legend2440> joshuahoover: yes
[14:28] <joshuahoover> legend2440: ok, i'm checking on that right now
[14:28] <dobey> hi jamalta_
[14:30] <legend2440> joshuahoover: i go here  https://one.ubuntu.com/   sign in   press Upload File choose a small jpg in Browser and after a liitle while i get Internal Server Error
[14:30] <joshuahoover> legend2440: thanks for the details!
[14:31] <joshuahoover> legend2440: hmmm...so far i've been unable to reproduce...still trying
[14:33] <legend2440> joshuahoover: just tried it again. here is the whole error msg
[14:33] <legend2440> Internal Server Error
[14:33] <legend2440> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
[14:33] <legend2440> Please contact the server administrator<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
[14:33] <legend2440> More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
[14:34] <joshuahoover> legend2440: i'm trying with a different account now to see if that makes a difference
[14:36] <legend2440> joshuahoover: doe it matter that i'm going directly to  https://one.ubuntu.com/  instead of using  Applications>Internet>Ubuntuone  app?
[14:37] <joshuahoover> legend2440: no, it shouldn't...the web ui and the client are two separate interfaces to the service
[14:37] <legend2440> ok
[14:39] <legend2440> does it matter if i'm using a gmail account to log in?
[14:42] <joshuahoover> legend2440: no, that shouldn't matter...i'm getting some 502 bad gateway errors now...asking some folks what that might be about
[14:43] <legend2440> ok thanks for your help
[14:49] <joshuahoover> legend2440: you're getting the 500 error consistently every time? (shouldn't happen at all, but just trying to get more info)
[14:51] <legend2440> ok thanks
[14:51] <legend2440> yes everytime
[15:01] <teknico> MEETING BEGINS, MEETING STARTS: aquarius, CardinalFang, dobey, jblount, rodrigo, statik, teknico, urbanape, vds
[15:01] <teknico> Welcome to the Ubuntu One Developers desktop+ meeting. Please say "me" if you are here to attend, and tell us what you're up to, using the DONE, TODO and BLOCK markers.
[15:01] <teknico> me
[15:01] <aquarius> me
[15:01] <urbanape> me
[15:02] <vds> me
[15:03] <teknico> 4 out of 8
[15:03] <dobey> me
[15:04] <dobey> rodrigo_, jblount, statik
[15:04] <teknico> oh, I meant rodrigo_, not rodrigo :-P
[15:04] <rodrigo_> me
[15:04] <CardinalFang> Is that a significant underscore?
[15:04] <rodrigo_> CardinalFang: it is, without it, I don't get notifications from pidgin :)
[15:05] <teknico> rodrigo_, isn't it time to shave it off? :-)
[15:05] <rodrigo_> statik is sick, he sent a mail to the list
[15:05] <teknico> let's go then
[15:05] <teknico> DONE: fixed and landed the branch that adjusts form field display for the contacts edit form (#439090); helped two users on #ubuntuone; started improving the contacts web UI by fixing problems arising during first usage (#456267)
[15:05] <teknico> TODO: more improvements to the contacts web UI (#456267); integrate the client-side code needed by delete buttons on repeatable sections of the contacts edit form (#439093)
[15:05] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:05] <teknico> next: aquarius
[15:05] <aquarius> ⚀ DONE: away for day; working with jasondavies on _all_dbs patch
[15:05] <aquarius> ⚁ TODO: u1couch crashing, trying to work out why; build hardy package for u1couch with _all_dbs patch; look at oauth-enabling twisted; make tomboy first-sync experience nicer
[15:05] <aquarius> ⚂ BLOCKED:
[15:05] <aquarius> ⚃ BUG COUNT:https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~sil/+assignedbugs?field.tag=ubuntuone-karmic - 1
[15:05] <aquarius> go go urbanape
[15:05] <jblount> me
[15:05] <urbanape> DONE: Still testing U1 UI in IE 8. Working on final UI tweaks for contacts UI.
[15:05] <urbanape> TODO: Land a branch for contacts. Figure out whatever this new bug is on edge.
[15:05] <urbanape> BLOCK: None
[15:05] <urbanape> vds: your turn.
[15:06] <vds> DONE:still fighting  with PQM
[15:06] <vds> TODO: setup a vm to simulate the PQM env and understand why my branch fails
[15:06] <vds> BLOCKED: PQM still doesn't like me :(
[15:06] <vds>  dobey all yours
[15:06] <dobey> ☺ DONE: trunk->stable backports, triage, fixed clientdefs import issue for server tests, Fixed #455527
[15:06] <dobey> ☹ TODO: triage, bug fixes,
[15:06] <dobey> ☹ BLCK: None.
[15:06] <dobey> rodrigo_: go
[15:06] <rodrigo_> • DONE: More XML<->HTML tomboy notes conversion fixes. Fixed removal of multiple contacts in evo-couchdb
[15:06] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Talk to Ara about writing mago tests for evo-couchdb. Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Look at becoming a MOTU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers). openSUSE/Fedora packaging with aquarius. API documentation for couchdb-glib. Make sandy's snowy test suite work with our server (http://git.gnome.org/cgit/snowy/tree/api/tests.py). Discuss with jdo and aquarius about oauth token per app, not per machine?
[15:06] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[15:06] <rodrigo_> next CardinalFang
[15:07] <CardinalFang> Wait a sec.  Where did my "me" go?  It frightens me when I do that.
[15:07] <CardinalFang> Too many terminals.
[15:07] <CardinalFang> DONE: dekstopcouch packaging.  couchdb#3 uploaded into karmic.  iptables help.
[15:07] <CardinalFang> TODO: upload desktopcouch 0.4.6. couchdb#4 upload to fix #456234.
[15:07] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: None
[15:07] <rodrigo_> CardinalFang: I assumed your comment about my nick was a "me" :D
[15:07] <teknico> jblount is next
[15:07] <jblount> DONE: Bug sorting, some calls, some code review, "update copy" branch started
[15:07] <jblount> TODO: Finish update copy branch, look into next step
[15:07] <jblount> BLOCKED: Slow intertubes
[15:08] <teknico> great, thanks everyone
[15:08] <teknico> MEETING ENDS, MEETING FINISHES
[15:08] <rodrigo_> teknico: some guy has 'rodrigo' on this network, that's why I have the extra _ :(
[15:09] <teknico> rodrigo_, I see
[15:09] <teknico> rodrigo_, I feel you, someone has teknico on launchpad, and never even used it :-/
[15:10] <rodrigo_> nick hijackers, yeah
[15:10] <CardinalFang> Username speculation, bah!
[15:11] <teknico> take cybersquatting to new heights, yay!
[15:13] <dobey> dpm: ping
[15:13] <dpm> hey dobey
[15:14] <dobey> dpm: hey. the other string you marked as plural, i am not sure should be
[15:14] <dobey> dpm: i believe the correct english grammar for "N of M" is that it's always plural
[15:15] <dpm> dobey, I wasn't sure either, in my language it would make sense, but not having it wouldn't be incorrect either, but I figured out that languages with several more plural forms might need it
[15:19] <dpm> dobey, also, I've got a question. I can upload the new template with the new msgid_plural strings, and the language packs will export the translations in the .mo files. But if this fix is still not uploaded with a new package, will gettext correctly pick up the translations? I mean, the code will have a msgid string, whereas the mo files will have two (or more) plural translations. I'm just wondering if this will work. If it doesn't, I don't consider the
[15:19] <dpm> bug that critical, so I probably wouldn't want to risk a manual upload of the template
[15:20] <dpm> anyway, I need to finish something else right now, so I might not be too responsive. I'll be back in a couple of hours
[15:20] <dobey> dpm: the newly added one from your branch, it wouldn't pick up, no
[15:21] <dobey> dpm: the s/P_/ngettext/ one should be ok though, since that's not a functional change, but style
[15:21] <dpm> dobey, neither of them it would pick, I guess, since the fix in your branch is still not in the package, is it?
[15:22] <dpm> so unless there is a new package upload, I think it's best if I don't manually upload any template
[15:24] <dobey> dpm: the only thing that would be a problem is if you upload a template with the string that was switched from using _ to ngettext
[15:25] <dobey> dpm: the other string that's already marked with P_ is fine to be in the template, after switching it to ngettext
[15:25] <dobey> if it's not currently in the template, it's not getting translated anyway, and so ngettext is always falling back to the version in the code
[15:26] <jcastro> dobey: reauthing my client did it and now it's all working
[15:27] <dobey> jcastro: cool
[15:27] <dpm> dobey, yes, the first one you are mentioning is what I was worried about.
[15:42] <dobey> blah intltool
[15:43]  * dobey finds another bug to fix
[18:16] <Abzstrak> anyone else having problems with ubuntuone client no longer connecting?
[18:23] <dobey> joshuahoover: ping ^ :)
[18:24] <joshuahoover> Abzstrak: hi, are you on 9.04 or karmic beta?
[18:25] <Abzstrak> 9.04
[18:25] <Abzstrak> I have it on 4 machines, two are working, two stopped being able to login
[18:26] <joshuahoover> Abzstrak: are they all up-to-date? we released a very important fix yesterday
[18:26] <Abzstrak> yes
[18:26] <Abzstrak> actually the second one stopped working after that update
[18:26] <joshuahoover> Abzstrak: ok, are you getting any error messages?
[18:26] <Abzstrak> the first one stopped about a week ago
[18:27] <joshuahoover> Abzstrak: can you see any syncdaemon-exception.log files in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/?
[18:27] <Abzstrak> no, if I open the folder and hit connect it never connects.. no error on the screen.  I'll check the logs
[18:29] <Abzstrak> says error, cant get the auth token
[18:29] <joshuahoover> Abzstrak: can you paste the log here and post a link? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[18:29] <Abzstrak> ill copy and paste in a sec, its on a different machine
[18:30] <Abzstrak> 2009-10-17 19:38:36,529 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.DBus - ERROR - Can't get the auth token
[18:30] <Abzstrak> Traceback (most recent call last):
[18:30] <Abzstrak>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/dbus_interface.py", line 1073, in connect
[18:30] <Abzstrak>     access_token = self.main.get_access_token()
[18:30] <Abzstrak>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/main.py", line 298, in get_access_token
[18:30] <Abzstrak>     return self.oauth_client.get_access_token()
[18:30] <Abzstrak>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/main.py", line 338, in get_access_token
[18:30] <Abzstrak>     raise NoAccessToken("No access token found.")
[18:30] <Abzstrak> NoAccessToken: No access token found.
[18:32] <Abzstrak> I removed the machines name and such fromt he web interface, removed the ubuntuone client and reinstalled and setup everything... no help
[18:32] <joshuahoover> Abzstrak: can you paste in http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ the following log file ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log
[18:34] <Abzstrak> how much of it? its long
[18:35] <Abzstrak> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/297664/
[18:36] <joshuahoover> Abzstrak: ok, can you quit the Ubuntu One client and then run this command on in a terminal session: ubuntuone-client-applet
[18:37] <Abzstrak> ok
[18:37] <Abzstrak> want whats on the screen now?
[18:38] <Abzstrak> Traceback (most recent call last):
[18:38] <Abzstrak>   File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.6/dbus/connection.py", line 578, in msg_reply_handler
[18:38] <Abzstrak>     reply_handler(*message.get_args_list(**get_args_opts))
[18:38] <Abzstrak>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ubuntuone/oauthdesktop/auth.py", line 276, in got_state
[18:38] <Abzstrak>     self.acquire_access_token(description, store)
[18:39] <Abzstrak>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ubuntuone/oauthdesktop/auth.py", line 336, in acquire_access_token
[18:39] <Abzstrak>     self.request_token = self.make_token_request(oauth_request)
[18:39] <Abzstrak>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ubuntuone/oauthdesktop/auth.py", line 229, in make_token_request
[18:39] <Abzstrak>     fp = opener.open(oauth_request.http_url, oauth_request.to_postdata())
[18:39] <Abzstrak>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/urllib.py", line 205, in open
[18:39] <Abzstrak>     return getattr(self, name)(url, data)
[18:39] <Abzstrak>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/urllib.py", line 437, in open_https
[18:39] <Abzstrak>     h.endheaders()
[18:39] <Abzstrak>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/httplib.py", line 868, in endheaders
[18:39] <Abzstrak>     self._send_output()
[18:39] <Abzstrak>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/httplib.py", line 740, in _send_output
[18:39] <Abzstrak>     self.send(msg)
[18:39] <Abzstrak>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/httplib.py", line 699, in send
[18:39] <Abzstrak>     self.connect()
[18:39] <Abzstrak>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ubuntuone/oauthdesktop/auth.py", line 58, in _connect_wrapper
[18:39] <Abzstrak>     if self._tunnel_host:
[18:39] <Abzstrak> AttributeError: HTTPSConnection instance has no attribute '_tunnel_host'
[18:39] <dobey> please don't paste directly into irc
[18:39] <Abzstrak> uhm,i just checked on the web interface, my machine name is no longer listed... it was yesterday... how can I re-add it?
[18:39] <Abzstrak> k, sry
[18:40] <dobey> that's what pastebin is for :)
[18:40] <joshuahoover> Abzstrak: this looks like the issue that was fixed with our release yesterday, can you run the following from a terminal session: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:41] <dobey> dpm: i'm not exactly sure what i should do with/about your bug now
[18:42] <Abzstrak> damn hold on
[18:42] <Abzstrak> this machine isnt up to date... must be the other one
[18:42] <Abzstrak> im updating this one, give me a sec
[18:42] <joshuahoover> Abzstrak: ok, that's good :)
[18:42] <Abzstrak> sry about that... too many machines, i get them confused :)
[18:43] <Abzstrak> ok, yea, it connected now
[18:43] <joshuahoover> Abzstrak: np...let me know if you're still having problems after the update
[18:43] <joshuahoover> Abzstrak: great!
[18:44] <Abzstrak> just gotta sync :)  I had removed the ubuntu one folder beofre when reinstalling
[18:44] <Abzstrak> honestly though, my home machine started this last night after I ran an upgrade... I saw the ubuntuone upgrade, didnt think about it until it wouldn't sync afterwards
[18:44] <joshuahoover> Abzstrak: ah, ok
[18:45] <Abzstrak> I'll check it out though, I figured my laptop was a fluke, but two machines was a bug... but i screwed that up :)
[18:45] <Abzstrak> while you're here though.... how can I force a sync?
[18:46] <dpm> dobey, if you can do a package upload with the fixes, it should be sorted (the new template will be imported automatically to LP). If that's not possible, I'd say the bug is not critical and I'd leave the fix Lucid. How does that sound?
[18:47] <dpm> the fix for Lucid, I mean
[18:51] <dobey> dpm: upload is probably possible, but certainly not easy at this point. so probably best to leave it for lucid
[18:52] <dobey> dpm: can you file the P_ not being in the POT as a separate bug please?
[18:52] <dpm> dobey, that sounds sensible to me. Let's leave it for Lucid
[18:52] <dpm> dobey, will do
[18:53] <dobey> dpm: and will you upload the template i attached to the bug? or just skip that bit for now?
[18:56] <dpm> dobey, I will not upload the template, since due to P_ being ignored by xgettext/intltool it actually makes the string not appear in the template, and the template and the code would not match. So I'll skip that step as well and wait for a new Lucid package to fix that properly in an upload
[18:57] <dobey> ok
[18:57] <dobey> dpm: maybe we can fix it in karmic-updates too in the next couple of weeks. i'm not sure what the restrictions or details are on changing strings post-release
[18:58] <dobey> dpm: and the other string you marked as plural in your branch, it might be better to change the text to be clearer maybe. "Updating file N of M" might be better than "Updating N of M files"?
[18:59] <dpm> dobey, it's doable, but it would probably have to go through the SRU process as well
[18:59] <dpm> dobey, yes, good point, I can do that
[18:59] <dobey> dpm: we do have a separate stable branch now though, so it is still possible to get these fixes in trunk quickly
[19:00] <dpm> ok
[19:06] <dpm> dobey, I'll be filing the separate bug either later on or tomorrow morning. Also probably bug 449269 needs to be changed to Fix Commited, but that's probably for you to decide
[19:06] <dpm> anyway, I have to go, have a great day everyone!
[19:07] <dobey> later dpm! thanks
[19:08] <dpm> bye!
[21:07] <gnuts> hello
[21:09] <gnuts> i'm using jaunty, and after the most recent update have been able to add my second computer! yea. now I can't upload files. I get internal server error when I try.
[21:10] <jdobrien> gnuts, is this via the web?
[21:11] <gnuts> jdobrien, yes
[21:11] <jdobrien> gnuts, yeah i got the same thing a few times. it's a problem we're trying to chase down as it is sporadic
[21:11] <jdobrien> gnuts, those are always the fun ones to diagnose
[21:12] <gnuts> jdobrien, no doubt would any more info from me be helpful?
[21:12] <jdobrien> gnuts, i think the server just says 500 Internal Server Error right?
[21:13] <gnuts> yes, and that there may be more info in the server error log
[21:13] <jdobrien> yeah...we're digging through that as we speak
[21:14] <gnuts> well thanks, and good luck!
[21:18] <jdobrien> how many times do i need to tell people "I don't buy meat from guys driving around with a cooler in a pickup truck"
[21:20] <jblount> jdobrien: 6
[21:23] <dobey> jdobrien: what about oranges?
[21:26] <jdobrien> dobey, i get citrus from trees
[21:27] <dobey> maybe you should get a pet cow then
[22:14] <gnuts> diets high in red meat can lead to gout
[22:51] <thisfred> CardinalFang: (et al) I can't get into canonichat
[22:51] <thisfred> oh I'm back nm
[22:52] <joshuahoover> thisfred: i was out too, and it seems to have come back now
[22:52] <thisfred> joshuahoover: ok thx for confirming my mind is not going ;)
[22:53] <joshuahoover> thisfred: i couldn't get to any canonical sites or anything...other sites and services were fine
[22:53] <thisfred> oh I only tried other sites
[22:54] <thisfred> joshuahoover: are you on comcast too?
[22:54] <thisfred> it seems not everyone was affected
[22:54] <joshuahoover> thisfred: no, mediacom
[22:54] <thisfred> oh ok
[22:54] <thisfred> then it's probably a bigger net hiccup
[22:55] <joshuahoover> yeah, probably
[23:43] <statik> query -bip


[00:38] <xubuntu976> aloha
[00:38] <xubuntu976> :D
[00:38] <xubuntu976> LD
[00:38] <xubuntu976> hello world
[00:40] <xubuntu976> wuz up?
[00:40] <xubuntu976> exiting
[02:09] <jtmoney> I'm running 10.04.1 LTS.  What is the preferred method of upgrading XFCE to 4.6.2 without upgrading to 10.10?
[02:10] <moetunes> see if it is in backports or check if there is a ppa maybe
[02:11] <jtmoney> moetunes, it's not in backports (I have that repo enabled), and there's no PPA as far as I can tell.
[02:12] <moetunes> jtmoney:  it might be hard to do then - you could build the source
[02:12] <moetunes> !checkinstall
[02:12] <xGrind> !xfce
[02:15] <jtmoney> xGrind, uhm, I'm running Xubuntu 10.04.1.
[02:15] <xGrind> 10.04.1 ?
[02:15] <jtmoney> That's what it says on my TTYs.
[02:16] <jtmoney> After I ran apt-get update/upgrade.
[02:16] <jtmoney> But, yes, Xubuntu 10.04.
[02:22] <xGrind> jtmoney; better
[02:22] <xGrind> ?
[02:24] <jtmoney> Huh?
[02:25] <jtmoney> 10.10 completely screws with remote controls, and I don't want to go through all that again.  Plus, this is more-or-less a server for my house, so I'd rather keep 10.04 on it.  But XFCE 4.6.2 seems to be mostly bug fixes, so I don't see why I shouldn't install that.
[03:17] <DrCherry> fresh install of 10.10, i borked my display resolution, what file do I have to edit it to fix it?  I can't see anything if I log on.
[03:18] <moetunes> how did you bork it? - is there a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[03:18] <DrCherry> I set it too high, and there's no /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:19] <DrCherry> maybe there's a .x... file in my home dir?
[03:19] <moetunes> try moving ~/.config/xfce to xfce.bak if you used the xfce resolution setter
[03:20] <DrCherry> okay I don't have that file either
[03:21] <moetunes> that'll be a dir
[03:22] <DrCherry> okay i have .conf/xfce4
[03:22] <moetunes> which don't you have? - .config?
[03:22] <DrCherry> shall i rename that whole dir?
[03:22] <moetunes> won't hurt - you can move it back later
[03:23] <moetunes> use the tab button to complete file names in tty's or terminal - it saves time and errors
[03:23] <DrCherry> rebooting
[03:24] <DrCherry> fixed, thx
[03:25] <DrCherry> i'm going to root around in that dir and see if I can find the exact file
[03:25] <moetunes> np :)
[03:28] <DrCherry> there's a file in there called displays.xml that appears to hold the setting
[03:29] <moetunes> you could edit it or remove it or rename it as you pls
[03:30] <DrCherry> i restored my old xfce4 directory with the res fixed, rebooting
[03:31] <DrCherry> weird, i was hoping to get the default look when i installed but now my menu bar is at the bottom and the icons are different, odd
[03:32] <moetunes> must have a config that sets that somewhere
[03:32] <DrCherry> no biggie
[04:34] <rshakin> hey ppl
[04:35] <rshakin> anyone using the dropbox service ?
[04:48] <ridin> rshakin, dropbox does work here.
[04:51] <rshakin> hmm strange... it does work but for some reason my background keeps crashing when i am running it as a service
[04:51] <rshakin> ridin: there seems to be something wrong, i am running the lts 8.04 version of xubuntu...
[04:52] <ridin> well, xubuntu is end of life...
[04:54] <rshakin> what do you mean... no more xubuntu
[04:55] <rshakin> what is going to replace it ?
[04:55] <ridin> i mean, 8.04 isn't getting more updates
[04:55] <ridin> upgrade to 9.10 or 10.04
[04:55] <ridin> or 10.10 :b
[04:55] <rshakin> i meant 10.4 sorry
[04:56] <rshakin> 10.10 on my box is not running really well there are some serious bugs with drivers for this laptop esp when sound card comes in to play even tho this is very simple and standart setup
[04:57] <rshakin> but that could of been since i did a distro update
[05:09] <ridin> ah.
[11:33] <mataks> how to install graphic driver  i have Intel Corporation 82852/855GM running in toshiba l10
[11:33] <TheSheep> xubuntu already comes with intel drivers
[11:33] <mataks> how to know that i have already the drivers?
[11:34] <mataks> i just did a fresh install on xubuntu
[11:34] <TheSheep> that's not what I wrote
[11:34] <Sysi> what doesn't work?
[11:34] <bazhang> should be there already
[11:35] <Sysi> no problem - no solution :)
[11:35] <bazhang> mataks, you dont install anything; simple
[11:35] <mataks> bazhang, why?
[11:35] <bazhang> mataks, TheSheep already told you
[11:35] <TheSheep> it's installed out of the box
[11:37] <mataks> ok, i have another problem, i can feel that xubuntu is not smooth, i can feel a slight lag.
[11:37] <bazhang> how much ram
[11:37] <mataks> only 256
[11:37] <bazhang> well there it is
[11:37] <mataks> any way to optimize?
[11:37] <TheSheep> add more and the problem will go away :)
[11:37] <bazhang> mataks, yes, get more
[11:39] <mataks> ok thanks :)
[11:40] <mataks> i have another question, what are the advantages and disadvantages between ubuntu and xubuntu?
[11:41] <Sysi> ubuntu uses more memory, in xubuntu you can't drag items from menu to panel
[11:41] <bazhang> none
[11:42] <mataks> oh, that's why i can't drag google chrome to panel no matter what i do. hehe thanks :)
[12:14] <Walt> I just started using xubuntu, and would like to have xmonad as my wm. Does anyone know any good resource on this? I have googled for quite a while but am not finding anything concrete
[12:14] <Sysi> install it and: xmonad --replace
[12:15] <bazhang> http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2009/03/17/introduction-to-the-xmonad-tiling-window-manager/ Walt
[12:15] <Walt> bazhang, thank you
[12:16] <bazhang> np
[12:17] <Walt> another small thing. When I press alt-f2 and enter xterm, I get the default settings. what is the command to open an instance the same way as when opening from the applications menu?
[12:18] <moetunes> I think that is called xfce4-terminal
[12:19] <Walt> moetunes, thans, that was it
[12:19] <moetunes> np
[12:19] <Walt> moetunes, where could I have gone about finding that out?
[12:20] <moetunes> right click the menu entry for it iirc
[12:20] <Walt> moetunes, that opens it for me. Is there some configuration for the xfce menus?
[12:21] <moetunes> Walt:  not that I know of - a right click opens it?
[12:22] <Walt> yeah, right clicking any menu entry opens it for me
[12:22] <moetunes> ok
[12:23] <moetunes> Walt:  look in the desktop files in /etc/applications I think - for the menu entries
[12:24] <Walt> thanks
[12:33] <lampslave> Hello. Can you tell me, why group admin can enable/disable sudo, but can't do it for su?
[12:33] <Sysi> su is for using root
[12:34] <Sysi> there's no passwd for root user by default in *buntu
[12:36] <lampslave> for example. i have 3 users: disabled root, admin and guest. guest connect with ssh, root and admin can't do it. guest can't use sudo, but can use su for bruteforce admin's password
[12:36] <lampslave> why?
[12:38] <lampslave> if admin has password like "123" guest can take root's rights
[12:38] <Sysi> su always requires root's passwd?
[12:39] <Sysi> all, extecially sudo users/root should have strong passwd
[12:40] <lampslave> but why i can't disable su too?
[12:41] <lampslave> the same way
[12:41] <Sysi> i think you should be able to
[12:41] <Sysi> but shouldn't have need to
[12:41] <lampslave> hm
[12:42] <lampslave> i think, group admin must disable all capabilities fot take root
[12:43] <lampslave> not only sudo
[13:01] <dee_h> How do I get compiz-fusion to work?
[13:01] <moetunes> !compiz
[13:01] <moetunes> install ccsm too
[13:02] <moetunes> !ccsm
[13:03] <dee_h> I have installed all the ccsm and fusion icon stuff but in xfce there is no compositing option like there is in gnome
[13:05] <moetunes> try in terminal   compiz --replace
[13:05] <kids> anybody here who can help out a n00b?
[13:07] <MrFido> I'm using a laptop and everything's fine except for the USB headset... no audio, nothing
[13:07] <MrFido> it's a Logitech
[13:07] <TheSheep> !headset
[13:07] <MrFido> there's audio in the speakers and in headphones with jack
[13:08] <Sysi> install pavucontrol and try with it
[13:08] <MrFido> any help will be greatly appreciated
[13:08] <MrFido> in terminal?
[13:08] <MrFido> I'm a total n00b with linux, sorry
[13:12] <MrFido> installing now
[13:12] <MrFido> thanks..
[13:12] <MrFido> keeping fingers crossed
[13:13] <dee_h> window decorator is set to kde4
[13:14] <Sysi> you may need emerald
[13:14] <MrFido> are you talking to me?
[13:14] <MrFido> I have pavucontrol now but can't see where I'd be setting up the headset
[13:15] <Sysi> you should see it as soundcard
[13:15] <Sysi> what headset?
[13:16] <MrFido> USB logitech
[13:17] <MrFido> A-0009
[13:17] <MrFido> sitting in an airport and wanting to make calls with gmail
[13:17] <Walt> hi again, I have another stupid question. How do I add extra boot parameters? I need to add a workaround to make my touchpad not fails half of the time.
[13:17] <MrFido> :-S
[13:19] <MrFido> sorry I can't help Walt, I'm most likely the biggest n00b in this room
[13:21] <moetunes> !grub2 | Walt
[13:22] <MrFido> don't see any thing about sound cards in pavucontrol
[13:23] <MrFido> just output / input devices
[13:24] <moetunes> Walt:  you add to the line   GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=    in /etc/default/grub
[13:24] <Walt> moetunes, yeah, thanks. I just managed to googled my way to it
[13:24] <moetunes> heh :)
[13:29] <MrFido> hmm I might be onn to something
[13:30] <Walt> moetunes, eh. This has become very complicated it seems. I used to know how to edit grubbefore. Now I have no idea how to just append some options to the default boot
[13:30] <Walt> should I edit /etc/grub.d/10_linux?
[13:31] <Walt> ah, no
[13:31] <Walt> there is a default file. cool
[13:32] <moetunes> Walt:  worked it out?
[13:33] <Walt> moetunes, I think so
[13:33] <moetunes> k
[13:33] <Walt> edited GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[13:34] <moetunes> then you run update-grub
[13:34] <Walt> ah, right, forgot about that
[13:34] <Walt> thanks
[13:35] <Walt> is this URL down for you guys? http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_XFCE
[13:39] <moetunes> yep
[13:39] <Walt> :(
[13:40] <Walt> that's the only resource I have found on combining the DE of xfce with xmonad
[13:40] <Walt> and I don't know either well enough to start hacking away myself
[13:40] <Walt> or linux in general. been over 2 years since I last touched a distro
[14:04] <MrFido> I just had to install PulseAudio
[14:04] <MrFido> Thanks a lot for putting me on the right track
[14:04] <MrFido> all is well now
[15:35] <plainas> allright, so I installed deskbar applet on my xubuntu, how do I enable it? Google didn't help
[15:40] <plainas> oops, fat finger quit
[17:26] <toobuntu> hi there. Is it relatively simple to set up dual head/monitors for xubuntu?
[17:27] <toobuntu> I am debating whether to install xubuntu or ubuntu
[17:27] <charlie-tca> nope
[17:27] <toobuntu> charlie-tca, how so?
[17:27] <toobuntu> xfce-4 doesn't support it? why?
[17:27] <charlie-tca> It takes more effort than in Ubuntu
[17:28] <charlie-tca> You asked, it is not simple.
[17:28] <toobuntu> damn
[17:28] <toobuntu> I have quite a low spec laptop, and don't mind a more complicated set up actually
[17:28] <charlie-tca> It can be done, but you have will have to do some manual configuring, and maybe some google foo to get it all working
[17:29] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu makes everything very easy for new users. Xubuntu thinks the users that want it are a bit more experienced
[17:29] <toobuntu> does xfce-4 play nicely with xrandr?
[17:29] <charlie-tca> depends on the video card
[17:30] <toobuntu> well xrandr worked with my gentoo set up
[17:39] <ubuntu_> right, got it working :)
[17:39] <ubuntu_> (toobuntu here0
[17:39] <ubuntu_> who is for some reason still connected
[17:40] <toobuntu> mwhaha
[17:40] <toobuntu> xubuntu is so fast off of livecd
[17:40] <toobuntu> it should be faster native.. right?
[17:41] <toobuntu> meh.. I'm installing it now
[17:42] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:43] <toobuntu> I'm a bit fed up of the maintenance of gentoo -_-
[17:43] <toobuntu> and when I discovered how fast 10.10 was, decided to switch
[17:43] <charlie-tca> Welcome to Xubuntu!
[17:44] <toobuntu> all I really need is dual monitor working - and xrandr has proved it does
[17:44] <charlie-tca> bbl, gotta run now
[17:44] <toobuntu> the rest of my stuff is in .dotconfig files on github so it's easy to "move house"
[17:44] <toobuntu> ok
[18:21] <walt> is anyone using xmonad as wm? I have a mobile broadband modem that works with the network manager. I have no idea how to get this working under xmonad
[19:22] <ubuntu> hello
[19:24] <ubuntu> HELLO!?!?!?
[19:25] <charlie-tca> !hi
[19:25] <ubuntu> Thanks!
[19:25] <ubuntu> I am getting a Sparc based workstation soon
[19:26] <ubuntu> Is there still a Xubuntu for this architecture?
[19:26] <charlie-tca> no. sparc is not suooorted
[19:26] <charlie-tca> s/suooorted/supported
[19:27] <ubuntu> ok... thank you/yoo/u
[19:41] <ubuntu> !
[23:45] <Thermi> gn8


[14:06] <Muscovy> Hello everyone.
[14:07] <MichealH> Merr
[14:07] <MichealH> *Merry Childmas :D
[14:07] <MichealH> I mean Christmas :D
[14:07] <OmegaYear> Merry Haxmas guys!
[14:07] <MichealH> :P
[14:12] <Muscovy> :D
[14:17]  * MichealH hold up his 4Gb Memory Drive
[14:17] <MichealH> Now Ah can develop on the go ;)
[20:35] <UndiFineD> :)
[20:59] <Muscovy> :)


[00:58] <rydare> nice MATE lets you specify which monitor notifications will come in on
[02:26] <tomreyn> and you don't even need to power one of them off for this to work!
[02:27] <rydare> lol


[00:12] <bastidrazor> pangolin: really? you're going to comment to me about being not so happy with the 22 ops people that no one is monitoring the channel?
[00:13] <pangolin> really? you're going to come in here with attitude after ping us with a snarky comment
[00:13] <pangolin> bastidrazor, there is nothing that says you are not aloud to catalyse
[00:14] <pangolin> jumping on the ops trigger the moment someone acts like a troll doesn't help us teach people that there are better ways of getting a fulfilling experience out of irc
[00:16] <bastidrazor> i was a far from jumping. it clearly shows things were well beyond 'teach people that there are better ways' ..
[00:17] <tsimpson> bastidrazor: if it's clear that no operators are currently watching, then use much more helpful to put a useful message in the ops command, so they don't then have to spend time reading the context of the channel to figure out what the ops call was even for
[00:17] <pangolin> Well, like we told you, we are human and we also have lives. We can't be watching the channel 24/7. Some of the regulars need to help us pick up the slack now and then. BUT if you feel the channel is in need of more ops see /msg ubottu !canibeanop
[00:17] <tsimpson> saying "pay more attention." is simply not very helpful, and comes across as more than a little rude
[00:18] <bastidrazor> agreed.
[00:20] <LjL> wow. just, wow.
[01:44] <Corey> I'ev been naughty lately; answering user questions in #u as penance.
 fenris gave pi to ubuntu cops here for selinux and it belongs exclusively to fedora.
[06:00] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu bai_hui ban evading aka sadov
[06:01] <Jordan_U> bazhang: What does that statement from lerop even mean?
[06:02] <bazhang> Jordan_U, very reminiscent of some of the weird things ginbuntu would join here and post, then exit, also the identd is something ginbuntu was known for. I suspect its him/her. as to the actual meaning, no idea
[06:06] <bazhang> at least sadov parted #ubuntu when told he was ban evading. doubt he'll join here as I suggested, judging by the trout slap
[06:11] <Tm_T> morning
[06:12] <bazhang> bai_hui, hello
[06:12] <bazhang>  <sadov> иоб твоя матъ   bai_hui whats the meaning of that
[06:13] <bai_hui> idk
[06:13] <bai_hui> you say
[06:13] <bazhang> bai_hui, you posted it as sadov
[06:14] <bazhang> also about obituaries
[06:14] <bazhang> bai_hui, thats not what #ubuntu is for
[06:14] <bai_hui> i think its funny and people should laugh
[06:14] <bazhang> its offtopic and not funny
[06:15] <bazhang> !guidelines | bai_hui please have a read
[06:16] <bazhang> !codeofconduct | bai_hui and these too please
[08:24] <damascene> Hi, where I can complain about mail list problem?
[08:24] <damascene> I'm unable to reset my password
[08:26] <Tm_T> #canonical-sysadmin could be the place
[08:49] <damascene> thanks, I've been told to send a message to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on #ubuntu-website
[14:11] <Silverlion> did i just got kicked?
[14:13] <Myrtti> nope
[14:13] <Myrtti> ping timeout
[14:14] <Silverlion> yeah but i got a message that my connection has been determined by my communicationspartner ... that is the server so freenode, isnt it?
[14:18] <mneptok> Silverlion: "peer"
[14:18] <Silverlion> mneptok: ok, thx
[14:19] <mneptok> Silverlion: your client did not send info to the server in X amount of time, so the server decided that your client, the "peer," had terminated the connection. standard IRC stuff. nothing to worry about.
[14:20] <Silverlion> mneptok: thx for the info
[14:21] <mneptok> Silverlion: bitte schoen.
[14:56] <Myrtti> pidgin, stay classy! [16:54] *** WilsonBradley has left #ubuntu ["PART  #ubuntu-beginners :PART #ubuntu-beginners-team :JOIN #ubuntu 456789123"]
[14:57] <Myrtti> shush you stupid bot
[15:00] <mneptok> Myrtti: please do not channel my wife's essence this early in the day.
[16:10] <topyli> Myrtti: congratulations for managing to keep discussion about pidgin and empathy to minimum yesterday. i know it took great restraint :)
[16:59] <ikonia> what are the odds 16:59 -!- faggot<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:59] <ikonia> is going to be nice
[17:15] <Myrtti> zero to none
[20:29] <vijaym> hello...How to decrease my screen brightness...i am using sony vaio laptop...brightness control option is not working :( !
[20:31] <ikonia> vijaym: hi as I told you the other day, you are not in #ubuntu
[20:32] <vijaym> hey....i am there in #ubuntu !
[20:32] <ikonia> ok - so why are you in here asking support questions ?
[20:33] <ikonia> you must have made a decision to join this channel after I removed the ban the other day
[20:33] <vijaym> ikonia : who are you ?  what support ?
[20:34] <ikonia> vijaym: my nickname is ikonia, you've just joined the channel #ubuntu-ops and asked for support help with your brightness control
[20:35] <vijaym> ikonia : my name is vijay m... nice to meet you ! :)
[20:35] <ikonia> hi
[20:35] <ikonia> so again, why have you joined this channel to ask for support ?
[20:35] <Myrtti> since you're being helped in #ubuntu, there is no need for you to be here.
[20:35] <Myrtti> you're welcome to leave
[20:36] <vijaym> ikonia : hi..i am using quassel...can you ppl help me to quit this irc channel ?
[20:36] <ikonia> vijaym: why did you join ?
[20:36] <ikonia> vijaym: you do know you don't need to use this channel, I explained this to you the other day ?
[20:38] <vijaym> ikonia : other day ? i am new to this Quassel...now how do i quit ?
[20:38] <ikonia> vijaym: I don't think you are being honest with me
[20:39] <ikonia> you have been using quassel for a while now, and knew how to part the channel
[20:39] <ikonia> vijaym: the command is "/part"
[20:39] <vijaym> ikonia : honest ??? I am saying the truth...how do i quit this IRC channel ? i didn't know...i thought...you ppl will help me resolveing this issue here
[20:40] <vijaym> where should i give that command ?
[20:40] <vijaym> terminal ?
[20:40] <ikonia> 18:54 -!- vijaym<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-ops
[20:40] <ikonia> 18:59 -!- vijaym_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-ops
[20:40] <ikonia> vijaym: this is you joining and parting the channel in the past
[20:40] <ikonia> so I know you know how to part, so I suggest you part now.
[20:41] <vijaym> what is past ? and what is part ?