[03:01] <barry> #startmeeting
[03:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 21:01. The chair is barry.
[03:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[03:02] <barry> hi folks, welcome to this week's asiapac launchpad reviewers meeting.  who's here today?
[03:03] <barry> jml, thumper ping
[03:03] <jml> hi
[03:03] <thumper> here late
[03:03] <jml> wow, it's that time already.
[03:04] <thumper> phew
[03:04] <barry> no worries, i almost didn't make it either :)
[03:04] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[03:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[03:04] <barry>  * Roll call
[03:04] <barry>  * Watch out for queries in intermediate tables. -- salgado
[03:04] <barry>  * Using merge proposals again -- barry
[03:04] <barry>  * If there's time, the old boring script
[03:04] <barry>    * Next meeting
[03:04] <barry>    * Action items
[03:05] <barry>    * Queue status
[03:05] <barry>    * Mentoring update
[03:05] <barry> [TOPIC] * Watch out for queries in intermediate tables. -- salgado
[03:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Watch out for queries in intermediate tables. -- salgado
[03:06] <barry> i think you both understand this one.  salgado was warning to watch about about problematic queries where you'd end up hitting e.g. the person table in a python iteration
[03:06] <barry> e.g. one query per person
[03:06] <jml> yes.
[03:06] <thumper> ack
[03:06] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Using merge proposals again -- barry
[03:06] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Using merge proposals again -- barry
[03:07] <barry> so, with your ack, we'll go back to using m-p's again
[03:07] <thumper> ok
[03:07] <thumper> I do have one nit
[03:07] <barry> i think everybody wants to; bjornt had some reservations
[03:07] <barry> thumper: go ahead
[03:07] <thumper> and that some bugs are being filed as "adoption-blockers" when I don't think they are
[03:07] <thumper> we can fix the minor things relatively easily
[03:07] <thumper> but we shouldn't block on them
[03:08] <thumper> that's it
[03:08] <jml> there are still problems with blueprints and bugs that I would list as adoption blockers :)
[03:08] <barry> we can debate that in the specific bug, right?
[03:08] <thumper> sure
[03:08] <thumper> or I might just remove the tag
[03:08] <thumper> :)
[03:08] <barry> thumper: yeah, you and the OP can fight it out :)
[03:08]  * barry personally has no adoption blockers here :)
[03:09] <thumper> good
[03:09] <barry> thumper: did you see BjornT's major reservation about going all-in?
[03:09] <thumper> I may have missed it
[03:09] <thumper> what is it?
[03:09] <barry> that an email response with a cc adds the cc recipient as a nosy listener
[03:10] <barry> or maybe as a reviewer
[03:10] <thumper> ok, here is what I think on that...
[03:10] <thumper> you can still add someone to a CC
[03:10] <thumper> and they'll get the email
[03:10] <thumper> everyone should be on the review mailing list anyway
[03:10] <thumper> anyone can repsond
[03:11] <thumper> and people can comment anyway
[03:11] <thumper> we could easily add an "email command" to add a reviewer
[03:11] <barry> and as long as the m-p email is on the recipients, it'll make it in a comment, right?
[03:11] <thumper> right
[03:11]  * thumper thinks
[03:11] <thumper> I don't think it has to be a TO
[03:11] <thumper> although I may be wrong on that
[03:11] <thumper> I'd have to check
[03:11] <thumper> if it doesn't work
[03:11] <thumper> it is a bug
[03:12] <barry> cool, we'll let BjornT (or whoever) file a bug
[03:12]  * thumper nods
[03:13]  * thumper is guessing that jml is almost asleep in front of his laptop
[03:13] <jml> not asleep
[03:13] <thumper> I did say "almost"
[03:13] <barry> personally, i think adding apis and improving review-submit is a bigger bang for the buck
[03:13] <barry> that and diffs :)
[03:13] <jml> but let's just say I'm not going to be doing anything involving either monads or threads today
[03:13] <thumper> diffs are blocked on a db patch that is being reviewed
[03:13] <jml> barry: I think we should pretty much stop investing in review-submit
[03:14] <thumper> api is being worked on by rockstar
[03:14] <barry> thumper: think that might happen this cycle?
[03:14]  * rockstar perks up
[03:14] <thumper> barry: db patch? I'm not holding my breath
[03:14] <barry> jml: review-submit could be made largely launchpad project agnostic and then it would be generally of coolness
[03:14] <barry> thumper: heh
[03:14] <thumper> barry: bzr send will work soon
[03:14]  * barry is not sure he can type clearly today
[03:15] <jml> barry: in the general, I agree with you
[03:15] <thumper> barry: although some people still want a synchronous review submit
[03:15] <thumper> barry: which will probably use apis
[03:15] <jml> barry: but more specifically, there's already a plugin for bzr interacting with Launchpad
[03:15] <thumper> jml: I'd like our lp plugin to use launchpadlib lazily if it can
[03:15] <jml> barry: and there's already a built-in command for submitting changes
[03:16] <barry> thumper: we want cover letter submission too.  i would think review-submit could call bzr send, but it would be  alittle more (then maybe it would be lp specific again)
[03:16] <jml> thumper: implementation detail, I think.
[03:16] <thumper> barry: the merge directive can contain text in the email
[03:16] <thumper> barry: that could become the initial message
[03:16] <barry> very interesting
[03:16] <jml> right. it's just a simple matter of adding an option to send to have a template
[03:16] <thumper> jml: interesting idea there...
[03:16] <barry> you'll definitely have to explain it all to us when that lands :)
[03:16] <jml> and then a wrapper script or hooks or whatever to do those checks that we all love :)
[03:17] <barry> jml: yeah, that would be cool
[03:17] <jml> thumper: it's aaron's idea, I think.
[03:17] <jml> barry: but essentially what I mean is, almost everything we need already exists in public code, so we should build out from there rather than re-implement and then open source.
[03:17] <barry> jml: +1
[03:18] <jml> :)
[03:18] <barry> jml: jfdi
[03:18] <barry> :)
[03:18]  * jml really wants that db patch in
[03:18] <thumper> barry: we are waiting on that db patch
[03:18] <thumper> ...
[03:18] <jml> it's going to make life so much better.
[03:18] <barry> eafp <wink>
[03:18] <thumper> ?!?
[03:19] <jml> eat a fine prune?
[03:19] <barry> er, bad acronym
[03:19] <barry> never mind ;)
[03:19] <thumper> ask for forgiveness?
[03:19] <jml> engage all forward pulses?
[03:19] <barry> thumper: yeah, that one :)
[03:19] <thumper> barry: so JFDI
[03:19]  * barry calls pqm-submit
[03:19] <thumper> barry: there are some limits to requesting forgiveness I think
[03:20] <barry> thumper: sometimes the answer may be "no" ;)
[03:20] <thumper> barry: heh, yeah
[03:21] <barry> anyway.  martin and curtis were here today sprint on other stuff.  we talked about m-ps and recognize there are things to clean up, but it's still a huge win imo
[03:21] <barry> and totally usable as is
[03:21] <barry> and what part of lp /doesn't/ need improvement? ;)
[03:21] <jml> right.
[03:21] <thumper> right
[03:21] <thumper> jml: snap
[03:21] <jml> and if we don't dogfood
[03:22] <jml> ...
[03:22] <barry> 'zackly
[03:22] <jml> (then it's not like the bazaar guys will)
[03:22] <thumper> jml: +1
[03:22] <barry> did you see the bug with signature checks i submitted?
[03:22] <thumper> nope
[03:23]  * barry searches...
[03:24] <jml> thumper: actually, I might do some bug triage this arvo. We have a lot of New bugs and I'm not likely to do anything more useful.
[03:24] <thumper> jml: ok
[03:24] <barry> jeebus i can't find it now
[03:24] <barry> it got duped
[03:25] <barry> bug 211830
[03:26] <barry> and my key isn't expired
[03:26] <barry> annyyyway
[03:26] <thumper> barry: do you have an oops id?
[03:27] <barry> OOPS-1045CEMAIL12
[03:27] <thumper> ta
[03:27] <barry> so i really don't have anything else today.  anything on your side?
[03:28] <thumper> nope
[03:28] <barry> you guys all recovered from epic? :)
[03:28] <jml> I'm still recovering from jetlag :)
[03:28] <barry> :)
[03:28] <thumper> yeah mostly
[03:28] <thumper> last week wasn't much fun
[03:29] <barry> martin took about 20 hours to get here from madrid i think, through zurich and montreal
[03:29] <thumper> heh
[03:29] <thumper> yeah
[03:29] <barry> thumper: i think i sleep hacked my way through last week
[03:29] <thumper> but martin loves flying
[03:29] <thumper> I wish I had time to hack
[03:29] <barry> yeah... not so much :)
[03:29] <barry> thumper: you're a phb now.  no hacking for you
[03:29] <thumper> :(
[03:30]  * thumper is going to shave his head
[03:30]  * jml already has.
[03:30]  * thumper wants photo evidence
[03:30] <thumper> barry: I think we're done
[03:30] <barry> indeed :)
[03:30] <barry> thanks guys
[03:30] <barry> #endmeeting
[03:30] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 21:30.
[03:30] <jml> if only cheese wasn't terrible.
[03:30] <thumper> thanks barry
[03:30] <jml> barry: thanks.


[00:59] <Sir_Konrad> ok so what can I do?
[01:33] <Sir_Konrad> Hello...
[01:47] <charlie-tca> Hello, Sir_Konrad
[01:47] <charlie-tca> Did you have a question?
[01:47] <Sir_Konrad> hey charlie-tca!
[01:47] <Sir_Konrad> charlie-tca, yeah, what can I do to help?
[01:47] <charlie-tca> What did you want to help with? Do you have anything in particular in mind?
[01:48] <Sir_Konrad> charlie-tca, testing mostly.
[01:48] <Sir_Konrad> charlie-tca, and if needed, documentation.
[01:48] <charlie-tca> Great!
[01:49] <Sir_Konrad> charlie-tca, and *anything* that I can do to help with iPhone/iPod support. I part of saurik's army so yeah. :)
[01:49] <charlie-tca> Testing is described in detail at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing
[01:49] <charlie-tca> The testing team mostly tests the images before release, and keeps in touch in #ubuntu-testing
[01:50] <Sir_Konrad> charlie-tca, so is there any alpha releases yet of 11.04?
[01:50] <charlie-tca> I am not familiar with iPhone/iPod specifics, but perhaps the desktop team would know more in #ubuntu-desktop
[01:50] <charlie-tca> No alpha yet :-(
[01:51] <charlie-tca> the Natty schedule is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[01:51] <charlie-tca> Alpha 1 is due on December 2
[01:51] <Sir_Konrad> charlie-tca, so you think I should stay tuned and be ready to do lifting whenever I possibly can? :)
[01:51] <Sir_Konrad> Oh that's a month tomorrow!
[01:51] <charlie-tca> Many of us have uipgraded to Natty already though
[01:52] <Sir_Konrad> How can you upgrade to Natty if it isn't released yet? O.O
[01:52] <charlie-tca> yes, it is always good to keep an eye/ear open. We are pretty good about asking when we need the help in various places.
[01:53] <charlie-tca> Manually change the /etc/apt/sources.list, changing maverick to natty on the repositories. then you can upgrade with aptitude or apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:53] <charlie-tca> Then it breaks
[01:53] <Sir_Konrad> LOL!
[01:53] <charlie-tca> :-)
[01:53] <Sir_Konrad> charlie-tca, so it's not even into Alpha yet! :D
[01:53] <charlie-tca> right now we have the new kernel
[01:54] <charlie-tca> no, we just finished UDS on Friday to lay out the plans for it
[01:55] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah. If you have an nvidia card, remove the hardware device driver before upgrading
[01:55] <Sir_Konrad> charlie-tca, Ok, I'm adding #ubuntu+1, #ubuntu-desktop, and #ubuntu-testing to my auto-join list. :)
[01:55] <Sir_Konrad> charlie-tca, I have some hardware I can put to good use (don't want to use my main machine). It has an Intel graphics card.
[01:55] <Sir_Konrad> Will that work ok?
[01:56] <charlie-tca> yes, it would work good
[01:56] <charlie-tca> More information on getting involved and helping is available at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community
[01:57] <Sir_Konrad> ok charlie-tca, thanks so much for the info! :D
[01:58] <Sir_Konrad> I have to go now, but I'll be here tomorrow charlie-tca. See you later. :)
[01:58] <charlie-tca> You´re welcome. Good luck...
[01:58] <Sir_Konrad> thanks charlie-tca. :)
[04:23] <RoC_MasterMind> anybody else playing with btrfs and get "btrfs: unable to remove the only writeable device" in their kernel log when removing a drive from a multi-drive btrfs?
[13:52] <Dink> Is this a known bug in natty. I have the volume applet but when I left click to increase/decrease volume there is nothing there is just black space. The only thing there is "sound preferences"
[13:54] <Dink> sorry indicator applet.
[14:06] <Dink> nvm I just purged/install indicator-sound and works now
[15:56] <bcurtiswx_> anyone here using natty yet, do a places -->connect to server and see if you get an error
[16:08] <Dink> bcurtiswx_, nope I get the regular dialog box.
[16:08] <Dink> bcurtiswx_, I haven't actually tried to connect to anything though.
[16:23] <Wubbbi> Seems like Ubuntu Natty is working well ATM. Well not many changed now. But I see them comeing xD
[16:53] <bcurtiswx_> Dink, im actually taling about connecting
[18:26] <IdleOne> How do I get URL's to open in default browser and not with gedit?
[19:29] <pietro10> Is there a way I can upgrade from 10.10 beta to either 10.10 final or 11.04 beta?
[19:29] <pietro10> update-manager -d doesn't work
[19:32] <Pici> !final | pietro10
[19:33] <pietro10> ok cool, thanks
[20:57] <Ian_Corne> weird, Chromium is my prefered browser, but if I open a url in gnome-terminal , it opens firefox..
[21:02] <Sir_Konrad> Ian_Corne, Natty?
[21:03] <Ian_Corne> Yes Sir_Konrad
[21:03] <Ian_Corne> We're in +1 :)
[21:04] <Sir_Konrad> Ian_Corne, Yeah I know. Just checkin'. ;)
[21:04] <Ian_Corne> Hehe
[21:04] <BUGabundo> ehe
[21:04] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: check galternatives
[21:04] <Ian_Corne> good idea
[21:06] <Ian_Corne> It shows chromium
[21:07]  * yofel digs into apports url_open code..
[21:08] <yofel> Ian_Corne: what does 'gconftool --get /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command' give you?
[21:09] <Ian_Corne> $ gconftool --get /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command
[21:09] <Ian_Corne> /usr/bin/chromium-browser %s
[21:09] <Ian_Corne> what is to be expected
[21:09] <BUGabundo> I  KNOW
[21:09] <yofel> hm.. and what happens if you use 'gnome-open $URL' ?
[21:09] <BUGabundo> *reboot*
[21:09]  * BUGabundo ducks
[21:09] <Ian_Corne> :p
[21:09] <yofel> haha
[21:10] <Ian_Corne> runs firefox yofel
[21:10]  * yofel gives up understanding gnome url handling
[21:11] <Volkodav> yofel what's up
[21:12] <Ian_Corne> that's quick yofel :p
[21:12] <Ian_Corne> i'll file a bug with erm
[21:12] <Ian_Corne> gnome-open I guess
[21:12] <yofel> Ian_Corne: don't have much time to look at this now sry
[21:12] <Ian_Corne> how can I find which package contains gnome-open?
[21:12] <Ian_Corne> yofel: no problem :D
[21:13] <yofel> Ian_Corne: dpkg -S $(which gnome-open)
[21:13] <Volkodav> my grub still can't see no images
[21:13] <Volkodav> weird
[21:13] <Ian_Corne> thanks yofel
[21:13] <Ian_Corne> I learn every day :)
[21:14] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: I actually reboot quite frequently, suspend/hibernate is broken
[21:14] <yofel> Volkodav: very busy in real life, so not much time for natty, what I have goes into project-neon currently (KDE daily builds for kubuntu)


[05:34] <mapps> hiall - anyone checked the free linux course daftykins said abot before
[05:34] <daftykins> should be starting today, that :>
[05:34] <mapps> :>
[05:35] <mapps> is it launched ow or like later on US time
[05:35] <daftykins> US time i think, so probably fire up tonight
[05:35] <daftykins> i haven't even chosen a target system to do it with yet
[05:35] <mapps> ah
[05:35] <mapps> hmm
[05:36] <mapps> yea i should really use a diff machine
[05:36] <daftykins> VM makes sense
[05:37] <mapps> hmm
[05:37] <mapps> i was thinking old laptop
[05:43] <mapps> not started yet
[05:56] <mapps> seen sharknado?
[06:03] <Myrtti> I wish I hadn't even heard of it
[06:05] <mapps> loll
[06:05] <mapps> so that means yes and it sucks?
[06:05] <mapps> people been saying its good;p
[07:48] <DJones> mapps: I saw the scify channel retweeting people saying it was good last night, wonder how many tweets they got saying it was rubbish & didn't retweet them
[08:29] <popey> hehe, still getting nagged on steam to sell my earbuds
[08:29] <popey> €30 is the offer now
[08:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy World Wide Web Day! :-D
[08:42] <Myrtti> Happy Mailman day
[08:47] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:49] <dutchie> o/
[08:52] <brobostigon> morning dutchie
[08:53] <dutchie> how's things
[08:58] <brobostigon> <---- hangover central,
[09:35] <davmor2> JamesTait: finally you come out with something worth celebrating
[09:52] <knightwise> yoyo
[09:52] <diddledan> ahoy
[09:52] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTiR5AgywOE
[09:54] <Laney> anyone know how to push a DNS server over openvpn?
[09:54] <Laney> push "dhcp-option DNS a.b.c.d" is what the internets says but that doesn't update resolv.conf for me
[09:55] <knightwise> playing around on a windows pro tablet here . ssh into machine in canada using ssh client in chrome
[09:55] <knightwise> slider bonus points :)
[09:56] <knightwise> amazed at how well this works
[10:06]  * popey wonders if Laney is behind some kind of firewall ㋛
[10:06] <Laney> I'm at GUADEC in Strasbourg :-)
[10:06] <diplo> Laney, I can't say how to do it per se, but I remember when we had our Cisco boxes for customers we have to use a forwarder to pass all the info across ( you've probably already that )
[10:07] <diplo> Getting DHCP ok, just not the DNS?
[10:07] <Myrtti> Laney: :| envious
[10:07] <Laney> yeah I blame dnsmasq currently
[10:07] <diplo> Tried restarting dnsmasq ?
[10:07] <diplo> Clears out the cache
[10:07] <Laney> nope
[10:07] <Laney> currently trying to go through NM, seems the path of least resistance if it works
[10:08] <diplo> We had that issue with DNS where dnsmasq just wasn't refereshing, a restart kills the cache
[10:08] <Laney> that solution seems irritating if you're reconnecting a lot
[10:09] <diplo> Yep, have it in a cron on our boxes till I can find a proper solution
[10:09] <Laney> yep NM works
[10:09]  * Laney declars this problem Worked Around™
[10:11] <diplo> :)
[11:23] <czajkowski> bigcalm: AlanBell popey what is the plan before RAT ?
[11:29] <popey> no clue
[11:30] <czajkowski> we're going sky diving that morning
[11:30] <czajkowski> busy day
[11:30] <czajkowski> we/jon :)
[12:05]  * Azelphur is playing with ownCloud, it's awesome.
[12:46] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:49] <bigcalm> Shall we all meet at the William Cobbert(sp?) tomorrow afternoon about 4.30/5pm?
[12:49] <bigcalm> popey: czajkowski: AlanBell: ^^
[12:50] <bigcalm> Dave2: you too
[12:55] <Dave2> The William Cobbett??
[12:55] <Dave2> or is that before going to the mulberry?
[12:56] <Dave2> I have a pretty packed day tomorrow, we're getting to Farnham at about 5:30
[12:57] <Dave2> (I have 12 events in my calendar to keep track of all of the various journeys I'm doing)
[12:57] <Dave2> (Reading->Paddington->Liverpool Street or Fenchurch Street->Southend->West Ham->Waterloo->Woking->Farnham is what I'll've done before burger time)
[12:58] <popey> i dont think we're going to the mulberry
[12:59] <popey> as it has an event on
[13:00] <Dave2> ah, OK
[13:01] <popey> alan posted to the list suggesting meeting at the waverly arms
[13:02] <popey> next to the station
[13:05] <Dave2> THE LIST
[13:08] <Dave2> Find Cash Advance, Debt Consolidation and more at Thewaverleyarms.co.uk. Get the best of Insurance or Free Credit Report, browse our section on Cell ...
[13:09] <Dave2> Still, my friend and I will be wherever at 17:30, unless we miss our train
[13:16] <Dave2> (I'm assuming that's plenty of time to get food before catching the train to catch the train)
[13:17] <bigcalm> I tweeted a link to the thread yesterday, one moment
[13:18] <bigcalm> The train we want to get from Farnham is at 18:2x
[13:18] <Dave2> that's a rather early train
[13:18] <bigcalm> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2014-July/037788.html
[13:18] <bigcalm> Trains from Farnham to Alton at 18:26 or 18:56. (the earlier one is
[13:18] <bigcalm> preferable so we can then grab seating near to the beer carriage)
[13:18] <bigcalm> To quote Alan Lord
[13:20] <Dave2> We'll be getting in at 16:25, that leaves almost an hour to get food, I'm sure it'll be fine
[13:20] <Dave2> over an hour, in fact
[13:23] <Dave2> we would get there earlier if it wasn't for the fact that we're already getting up at stupid o'clock to get a reasonable amount of time in Southend
[13:36] <Double-ewe> Afternoons all . Anything happening on Kickstarter recently ?
[13:38] <bigcalm> Alan Lord has responded to his email and said we'll meet at The Waverley Arms
[13:38] <diddledan> Double-ewe: anything you were hoping for in particular?
[13:39] <Double-ewe> Nah, just the next super-cool thingy , I might get my Dad for christmas.
[13:39] <Double-ewe> Awww.
[13:40] <diddledan> oic
[13:40] <diddledan> donno then :-)
[13:40] <Double-ewe> Wats with all the linebreaks ?
[13:41] <diddledan> ??
[13:41] <Double-ewe> Anyway .. How r you doing ? I'm running out of reddit-gold rapidly.
[13:42] <bigcalm> Dave2: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2014-August/037791.html
[13:43] <Dave2> so they do have a web site
[13:44]  * bigcalm eyes the menu
[13:45] <diddledan> Double-ewe: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/onetesla/tinytesla-the-little-singing-tesla-coil-anyone-can?ref=discovery
[13:45] <diddledan> that'll suit, no? :-p
[13:45] <Double-ewe> Is it just me -- Or is it quite muggy and slow today ?
[13:45] <diddledan> no, it's not muggy, it's friday
[13:46] <diddledan> muggy is the other end of the working-week
[13:47] <Double-ewe> :) Hehe  ..Looks like plasma active is going go Prime-time in 2016 http://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/2cbgpi/oled_lighting_panels_to_be_competitive_with_leds/
[13:48] <Double-ewe> Hope the tv team doesn't get too sidelined for the touch-screen engineers. [I'm thinking there are Engineers, right.]
[13:49] <diddledan> "pulling an arc with your finger will result in a nasty burn and is not recommended!"
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[13:52] <diddledan> based on that statement, would it be a good idea to embed the tesla unit into my chest like iron-man?
[13:57] <shauno> heh, french chap at work just got back from a week in newcastle.  He wants to know what language that is :)
[13:58] <diddledan> why aye
[13:59] <diddledan> do they have dual-language signs in newcastle for the english numpties to be able to know where the heck they're going?
[14:00] <shauno> I think they just label the required routes "M1 South"
[14:03] <DJones> Can dialup modems connect through cat 5 cabling? There's just been a move round in the offices here and one computer that needs a dialup modem is now about 50 feet from the nearest standard phone socket. I wondered whether an adapter for a phone connector could be used to connect to the existing cat 5 cabling and then one at the other end to connect from the switch to another double ended phone cable
[14:03] <DJones> The other option is a 50" phone extension cable & drilling through a couple of walls
[14:04] <shauno> as I understand it, it should work fine
[14:05] <diddledan> DJones: you don't want an ethernet switch in there
[14:06] <shauno> you don't want to run ethernet over the same cable at all, that doesn't work anymore (it used to, but not with gig-e onwards)
[14:06] <DJones> diddledan: WOuld that scramble the signal? I was only thinking about using modem to wall socket number 16, then a cable from socket 16 on the switch to a cable & adapter to plug into the phone socket
[14:07] <diddledan> DJones: the switch won't know what to do with the "noise"
[14:07] <DJones> diddledan: Thanks, thats what I thought could be an issue
[14:07] <shauno> more than likely you'll just pop the switch.  phonelines carry some surprising voltages
[14:08] <DJones> ok, cheers, extension lead it is then
[14:08] <shauno> the wires being used for the phone pair don't want to reach the switch at all.  you can re-use the cable, but not piggy-back the connection
[14:08] <Double-ewe> I'm getting back onto the network (Manxtelecom) this week with 4G .. I want to use my friends a/c .. but they say that I have to be a guarantor to pay for it. How can I pay and use my friends sim ? Also I need to change the number in 2 weeks.
[14:08] <diddledan> yeah, you really don't want to connect into any ethernet equipment
[14:09] <Double-ewe> The laws are good here .. but is there any mate-use-of-sim -card advantage ?
[14:09] <diddledan> Double-ewe: no, get your own sim
[14:10]  * Double-ewe steps away from the computer to avoid the nay-sayers from over the sea .. yeah, thought so.
[14:10] <Double-ewe> What about Stallmans idea of using a 'shared computer' Doesn't that apply here ?
[14:11] <diddledan> that would depend on what stallman says about "using a 'shared computer'"
[14:11] <shauno> if stallman wrote Manxtelecom's ToS, you may be in luck
[14:13]  * Double-ewe listens to his Lunduke-overLord .. http://bit.ly/1ogDTxJ
[14:16] <shauno> (trivia, since you dropped the reference .. rms recommends not owning a phone; https://stallman.org/rms-lifestyle.html )
[14:16] <Double-ewe> Nay-sayers from both sides ..  I can assume the moat is due to zombie outbreak?
[15:19] <daftykins> ;)
[15:20] <daftykins> well there appears to be kanji on shopfronts sir, so i can only assume it's Gawdzirra
[15:24] <popey> oof
[15:35] <daftykins> well well, the Linux course from edX starts now
[15:36] <bigcalm> Linux Voice mag came today with a cover DVD saying Mint is the most popular distro. Wonder what their source is
[15:42] <popey> directhex_: you touched f-spot building ever? bug 1351360
[15:42] <popey> seems to build an exporter called FSpot.Exporters.Zip.dll but the program is looking for FSpot.Exporters.Zip.dll.so
[15:46] <mapps> 'Debian Family Systems (such as Ubuntu)
[15:46] <mapps> SUSE Family Systems (such as OpenSUSE)
[15:46] <mapps> Fedora Family Systems (such as CentOS)'
[15:46] <mapps> anyone else gonna take the linux course?
[15:47] <mapps> i feel i should use openSuse , already use Ubuntu quite a bit
[15:48] <daftykins> time to login and see what we have
[15:49] <mapps> thats what it said on the site theyre using daftykins
[15:49] <daftykins> yeah i mean i haven't looked yet is all
[15:49] <mapps> oh
[15:50] <mapps> i just recall thinking openSuse was a pain
[15:50] <daftykins> still $250 for the certificate :S
[15:51] <mapps> yea
[15:51] <mapps> i chose just audit
[15:51] <mapps> 250 seemed a bit pricey to me?
[15:52] <daftykins> sure seems that way
[15:54] <daftykins> heh this neighbour has been banging on her own front door for the last 30 mins odd trying to rouse her parents who are staying apparently 0o
[16:00] <mapps> O_o
[16:01] <daftykins> seems she got in eventually
[16:02] <daftykins> ok reading the intro now
[16:13] <daftykins> mapps: just going through the intro, already interrupted by the cat at the window though XD possibly she's asking to be let back in
[16:14] <mapps> lol
[16:14] <mapps> use the fancy cat flap?
[16:14] <daftykins> she still doesn't use it :/
[16:14] <mapps> oh
[16:14] <mapps> damn
[16:15] <mapps> did she use the old one?
[16:15] <daftykins> yeah, but out only
[16:15] <daftykins> now she doesn't go either way without assistance
[16:15] <daftykins> i think i need to just be cruel or something
[16:15] <mapps> :<
[16:15] <mapps> make her a house cat?
[16:15] <daftykins> nah i don't like that idea
[16:15] <daftykins> a moggy must be free :D
[16:16] <mapps> but
[16:16] <mapps> they roam around
[16:16] <mapps> and its dangerous with busy roads
[16:17] <daftykins> i'm in the town centre, she has no way to reach those
[16:17] <mapps> ah nice
[16:17] <daftykins> but yeah i need some way to tempt her in, perhaps tuna would work
[16:17] <daftykins> i need to know what cats like ;D
[16:18] <daftykins> i can hear her sometimes scratching at the back door or flap possibly, but when i get there she's moved off so i can't tell if she's attempting to push it open
[16:19] <mapps> hm
[16:19] <mapps> wonder why
[16:22] <daftykins> ugh
[16:22] <daftykins> just now she stares at me through the flap but won't attempt to come near it
[16:22] <daftykins> in fairness before she couldn't get in, so now maybe she just doesn't think to try
[16:22] <daftykins> first day i had it, she put her head in and it read her tag so made the loudish *click* to unlock, she kinda got scared off at that time
[16:23] <daftykins> but i've been letting her in and out through it to get her used to the sound
[16:24] <directhex_> popey: that's a red herring. mono will look for a .so and .config to match every .dll - the former includes AOT-compiled machine-specific assembly, the latter contains C lib mappings e.g. from "gdiplus.dll" to "libgdiplus.so"
[16:25] <shauno> eh, it's a cat.  most likely it just doesn't see the point in openning a door when it employs a perfectly good human for such tasks.
[16:25] <daftykins> shauno: indeed ;) i think i need to stop assisting
[16:25] <popey> ah
[16:26] <daftykins> in fact she never went through the flap until i just stopped and eventually she wanted to get inside bad enough that she just had to do it
[16:26] <mapps> only thing with pets is dont you get hairs everywhere daftykins
[16:26] <daftykins> yeah, but i have long hair so half is mine ;)
[16:32] <daftykins> it is a bit of a pain, i just keep a sheet over the top of my bad that all her fur gets on, since she sleeps beside me
[16:32] <daftykins> *bed
[16:32] <daftykins> something's up with my brain <-> hand connection of late
[16:35] <jsmwell919> I need help bady. So i am running ubuntu 13.04 and at some point in time i lost my root password. There is only access to guest account and i have no way of changing it. I have tried going to the boot menu and done just about everything there is to be done to change a password. nothing has worked. someone please help
[16:35] <daftykins> does that include the recovery boot options?
[16:35] <jsmwell919> Yes i have went into recovery and it just tells me i do not have permission to change anything
[16:36] <daftykins> did you select the recovery entry beside your newest kernel, then select to give a root shell?
[16:36] <jsmwell919> Yes.
[16:36] <daftykins> and what did you run from there?
[16:36] <daftykins> also when you say root password that's a little concerning, because root doesn't have a password.
[16:36] <daftykins> are you saying you manually overrode it to create one?
[16:37] <jsmwell919> well super user password..
[16:37] <jsmwell919> but from there i have done passwd username
[16:37] <jsmwell919> that didnt work
[16:37] <daftykins> are you typing from this system now?
[16:37] <jsmwell919> then i unmounted and used sudo which alos didnt work
[16:37] <jsmwell919> yes i am
[16:38] <daftykins> so you can't even log in with your username's account right now?
[16:38] <jsmwell919> nope i cant. only guest
[16:38] <daftykins> nasty, can you get it back to that root shell prompt? then come back here from another device?
[16:38] <jsmwell919> Yes i can
[16:39] <jsmwell919> im going to set up my laptop and make sure i have you first
[16:39] <daftykins> as an aside however, your distro is unsupported now. and 13.10 is as well - so really even if you fix this you need to switch to either 12.04 LTS or 14.04 LTS
[16:39] <daftykins> i'd give serious thought to backing up and reinstalling instead
[16:39] <jsmwell919> wait
[16:39] <jsmwell919> will it allow me to reinstall without the passwd?
[16:39]  * daftykins waits
[16:40] <daftykins> you'd install from bootable media which would bypass the whole install entirely
[16:40] <jsmwell919> Can you explain how to do that? im not concerned with saving anything on here at al;.
[16:40] <daftykins> are you sure?
[16:40] <mapps> hm
[16:41] <jsmwell919> yes
[16:41] <daftykins> what kind of system is it?
[16:41] <daftykins> desktop?
[16:41] <mapps> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2713043/Pensioner-79-fined-hiding-plates-tuna-laced-anti-freeze-five-cats-neighbourhood-died.html thats not nice daftykins
[16:41] <mapps> :(
[16:41] <jsmwell919> Intel® Pentium(R) CPU G630 @ 2.70GHz × 2  DEll One
[16:41] <daftykins> mapps: >_<
[16:42] <daftykins> jsmwell919: ok can you write to DVDs or do you have a USB flash drive you can wipe for the purposes of installing ubuntu fresh?
[16:42] <jsmwell919> lol its trash i know
[16:42] <jsmwell919> i have the iso file on my usb
[16:43] <daftykins> of which version?
[16:43] <jsmwell919> but the problem it is .exe so it wont read
[16:43] <daftykins> you're probably just seeing wubi.exe - we won't be touching that. that's evil.
[16:44] <daftykins> jsmwell919: do you know how much RAM this computer has?
 you there?
[16:46] <daftykins> yep
[16:47] <jadskjasdfkf> okay cool
[16:47] <jadskjasdfkf> so how do i wipe the system?
[16:47] <daftykins> jadskjasdfkf: do you know how much RAM this computer has?
[16:47] <jadskjasdfkf> I can look now
[16:47] <daftykins> good stuff
[16:48] <daftykins> mapps: onto chapter1 ;)
[16:48] <jadskjasdfkf> 4gb memory is all i could find
[16:48] <jadskjasdfkf> id assume its really standard
[16:48] <daftykins> how did you check?
[16:48] <jadskjasdfkf> system settings
[16:48] <daftykins> hitting F2 at power on when the Dell logo shows should let you see in the BIOS
[16:48] <jadskjasdfkf> kk
[16:49] <daftykins> jadskjasdfkf: ok so what version is on your flash drive right now?
[16:49] <jadskjasdfkf> 14.04
[16:49] <daftykins> just FYI, i'd have suggested to install from http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04.1/ubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:49] <jadskjasdfkf> I tried having it boot from the usb before and it just opened my current version
[16:49] <daftykins> it's got some updates on now, so it wouldn't hurt to re-download that and put that on the flash drive instead
[16:49] <jadskjasdfkf> ok ill download
[16:50] <daftykins> hopefully you have a good speed to grab that in short order :)
[16:50] <jadskjasdfkf> ok now what
[16:50] <daftykins> what is the host OS of your laptop for creating the USB flash drive? are you ok with doing that or do you need guidance?
[16:51] <jadskjasdfkf> need guidance please
[16:51] <daftykins> so, OS?
[16:51] <jadskjasdfkf> windows 78
[16:51] <jadskjasdfkf> 7
[16:51] <daftykins> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[16:52] <daftykins> ok grab that program there, run it after you plug your flash drive in and follow the steps to put the downloaded ISO, once it's done obviously, onto the drive
[16:52] <daftykins> i'd suggest ticking to format it, if you're sure there's no personal data on it that you need
[16:53] <jadskjasdfkf> okay then what
[16:53] <daftykins> any luck on checking the RAM with entering the BIOS?
[16:54] <jadskjasdfkf> one sec
[16:56] <jadskjasdfkf> 2 Gb
[16:57] <daftykins> hmm, well it'll be fine running 64-bit.
[16:57] <jadskjasdfkf> great
[16:57] <daftykins> so once you've made up the flash drive with Universal USB Installer, power off the target machine... plug the USB drive in... power on and press F12 repeatedly at the Dell logo to get a one-time boot menu
[16:58] <daftykins> you should see a menu with a list of devices including your USB flash drive - and so then you can select it and boot up the live session
[16:58] <daftykins> how does this system connect to the internet? wired or wireless?
[16:58] <jadskjasdfkf> wired
[16:59] <daftykins> excellent, that makes life easier
[17:00] <jadskjasdfkf> Why is that?
[17:00] <daftykins> when you first see the boot menu, let me know if you see two entries for each device
[17:00] <daftykins> setting up wireless can be a pain in the posterior if the device isn't supported out of the box
[17:01] <jadskjasdfkf> okay  going to restart
[17:02] <daftykins> you'll need the flash drive finished and plugged in, for the above
[17:03] <jadskjasdfkf> yup i have it in
[17:03] <daftykins> oh, that copied quickly
[17:03] <nfjfjfbxjd> ok im rebotting my pc now
[17:03] <jadskjasdfkf> 35 mbps
[17:03] <jadskjasdfkf> lol
[17:04] <daftykins> but the ISO -> USB
[17:04] <nfjfjfbxjd> obly took like 5 mibues
[17:05] <nfjfjfbxjd> ok im on the f12 screen
[17:05] <daftykins> what do you see?
[17:05] <nfjfjfbxjd> hard disc
[17:05] <nfjfjfbxjd> cd/dvd
[17:05] <nfjfjfbxjd> usb storage device
[17:05] <nfjfjfbxjd> diagnostics
[17:05] <nfjfjfbxjd> and bios setup
[17:06] <daftykins> cool - and only one entry for each? nothing saying EFI/UEFI ?
[17:06] <nfjfjfbxjd> nope
[17:06] <daftykins> go ahead and select the USB storage device then, and you should see a screen with a little logo at the bottom centre... press a key again to see a menu
[17:06] <daftykins> it'll come up with a big language select menu to start with
[17:07] <nfjfjfbxjd> it just booted up my original versuon :/
[17:07] <daftykins> that's odd. power off and try again
[17:08] <nfjfjfbxjd> ok
[17:09] <nfjfjfbxjd> did it again ..
[17:09] <daftykins> as in it failed again?
[17:10] <nfjfjfbxjd> yes
[17:10] <daftykins> just to be sure, if this is a desktop - i would be using USB ports right on the motherboard, so at the back beside all the other main connections
[17:10] <daftykins> it might be worth hitting F2 to enter the BIOS and looking at your boot options too
[17:10] <daftykins> just to make sure that it's allowed to boot USB devices
[17:11] <daftykins> it wouldn't hurt to test that flash drive on your laptop too, see if boots there to confirm it's working
[17:11] <nfjfjfbxjd> ok going i ti f2 now
[17:11] <daftykins> +it
[17:11] <nfjfjfbxjd> ok im ib f2
[17:11] <daftykins> should be a Boot page along the top?
[17:12] <nfjfjfbxjd> yes
[17:12] <nfjfjfbxjd> on it
[17:12] <daftykins> any way you can share a picture at all? if you have a phone/camera
[17:13] <nfjfjfbxjd> its just asking about boot priority
[17:13] <nfjfjfbxjd> i have hard disk as prio 1
[17:13] <nfjfjfbxjd> !
[17:13] <nfjfjfbxjd> and usb as prio 2
[17:13] <daftykins> yeah, that doesn't matter because the F12 menu is used as a one-time bypass
[17:13] <nfjfjfbxjd> hmm
[17:14] <daftykins> there's no marking beside USB to disable it, is there?
[17:14] <daftykins> or is there an option to select which hard disk is the primary?
[17:14] <daftykins> your flash drive might emulate a hard disk
[17:14] <nfjfjfbxjd> no sir
[17:14] <nfjfjfbxjd> shoukd i try booting jarf disc?
[17:14] <nfjfjfbxjd> hard disc
[17:15] <nfjfjfbxjd> from f12, that is
[17:15] <daftykins> well that's what it does as standard
[17:15] <daftykins> you'd need to find a page where it might allow selecting a different hard disk for the primary boot device
[17:15] <daftykins> a picture of that screen would be very handy
[17:15] <nfjfjfbxjd> ill try and sebd one
[17:16] <daftykins> there are free upload sites like imgur.com
[17:16] <nfjfjfbxjd> ok doibg it now
[17:17] <nfjfjfbxjd> a picture of the boot page on f2 or f12
[17:17] <daftykins> F2
[17:20] <nfjfjfbxjd> http://imgur.com/opuM8wD
[17:21] <daftykins> does pressing enter on it do anything?
[17:21] <nfjfjfbxjd> http://imgur.com/5DlYSVy
[17:23] <nfjfjfbxjd> that was after i pressed ented
[17:24] <nfjfjfbxjd> coukd i disable all but usb?
[17:24] <daftykins> yeah, you could try setting USB first but i don't think it'll make a difference
[17:24] <nfjfjfbxjd> i dont either but ilk try it
[17:24] <daftykins> after setting it, you'd need to save and exit either by going to the page at the end, or hitting F10
[17:24] <nfjfjfbxjd> ok
[17:25] <nfjfjfbxjd> srill booted 13.04 up
[17:25] <daftykins> right, is the USB in the motherboard ports?
[17:25] <nfjfjfbxjd> I havd a question
[17:25] <nfjfjfbxjd> this may help
[17:25] <nfjfjfbxjd> ill send a picture
[17:26] <daftykins> ok
[17:26] <nfjfjfbxjd> sorry about all this
[17:26] <daftykins> not at all, this is all part of the fun :)
[17:26] <nfjfjfbxjd> yiu ate really helpibg me out
[17:26] <nfjfjfbxjd> im typing in my ohone so sorry about this spelling
[17:27] <daftykins> ah i thought you had the target computer and a laptop beside
[17:28] <nfjfjfbxjd> i do but dont have this on my laptop for some reason lol
[17:28] <daftykins> IRC?
[17:31] <nfjfjfbxjd> http://imgur.com/IKW1HMB
[17:31] <daftykins> ah you'd been running it wrong
[17:32] <daftykins> nfjfjfbxjd: just type "passwd <username"
[17:32] <daftykins> then it'll prompt for the new password to be entered
[17:33] <nfjfjfbxjd> wait so how do i tyoe it
[17:33] <nfjfjfbxjd> exactly
[17:33] <daftykins> "passwd brenden"
[17:33] <daftykins> oh
[17:33] <daftykins> you might not know that you need to remount the file system read-write first
[17:33] <daftykins> !recovery
[17:33] <daftykins> "mount -o remount,rw /"
[17:34] <nfjfjfbxjd> i did that mount and it opened up something like my last inage showed
[17:36] <daftykins> nfjfjfbxjd: you must make sure you're typing it perfectly
[17:37] <nfjfjfbxjd> http://imgur.com/P770NQt
[17:37] <nfjfjfbxjd> this came up
[17:38] <daftykins> you're definitely including that last forward slash?
[17:38] <nfjfjfbxjd> ill show yiu what i type in
[17:39] <daftykins> yeah you can go back up with shift+ page-up
[17:39] <daftykins> or press cursor up to repeat commands
[17:39] <nfjfjfbxjd> wait i did it again
[17:40] <nfjfjfbxjd> and nothibg showed uo
[17:40] <nfjfjfbxjd> nothing showed up
[17:41] <daftykins> perfect
[17:41] <daftykins> it worked then
[17:41] <daftykins> ok now go back to the "passwd brenden"
[17:41] <daftykins> when you run it, it should say something like "Enter new UNIX password:"
[17:41] <nfjfjfbxjd> breden cassie ot just brenden
[17:42] <daftykins> just your username
[17:42] <daftykins> if you intended for 'cassie' to be your password, it's not gonna work like that
[17:42] <daftykins> nfjfjfbxjd: note as well that when you type your password to create one, you won't see asterisks or anything to suggest you're typing something - this is for security reasons
[17:43] <nfjfjfbxjd> i did
[17:43] <nfjfjfbxjd> passwd root
[17:43] <nfjfjfbxjd> and changwd that
[17:43] <nfjfjfbxjd> it didnt work for my username
[17:43] <daftykins> ugh you really don't want to create a password for root XD
[17:43] <nfjfjfbxjd> noooo
[17:43] <nfjfjfbxjd> dam it
[17:43] <daftykins> what're those cables on the left hand side? is there other USB crap plugged in?
[17:44] <nfjfjfbxjd> a mouse and key board
[17:46] <nfjfjfbxjd> omg
[17:46] <nfjfjfbxjd> it worked
[17:46] <daftykins> what did?
[17:46] <nfjfjfbxjd> reset my user password
[17:46] <nfjfjfbxjd> you are awesome
[17:47] <daftykins> ah so you were able to login as your username?
[17:47] <nfjfjfbxjd> yess
[17:47] <daftykins> ok, but you're still on an outdated ubuntu right now even still
[17:48] <daftykins> it'd be good to get that USB flash drive booting correctly
[17:48] <nfjfjfbxjd> okay
[17:48] <nfjfjfbxjd> lets see
[17:49] <daftykins> mapps: chapter 1 section 1 right! ;)
[17:50] <nfjfjfbxjd> haha o man
[17:54] <nfjfjfbxjd> ok so
[17:55] <nfjfjfbxjd> lets get this update working
[17:55] <daftykins> it might be worth going back to Universal USB Installer and recreating that drive, make sure it's the correct drive letter for the flash drive and make sure it formats it
[17:56] <daftykins> it also wouldn't hurt if you took a page of every BIOS screen (F2 setup) and upload them in a single album just to have a glance
[17:57] <directhex_> aptio is definitely uefi
[18:00] <daftykins> ah-har
[18:00] <nfjfjfbxjd> well
[18:00] <nfjfjfbxjd> it showing the boot screen now... lol
[18:00] <nfjfjfbxjd> install?
[18:00] <daftykins> \o/
[18:00] <daftykins> hit try
[18:01] <directhex_> aptio without a fancy gui is pretty old though
[18:01] <directhex_> hope it's not a gigabyte
[18:01] <daftykins> OEM in a Dell all in one?
[18:01] <directhex_> oh, yeah, that fits
[18:04] <daftykins> nfjfjfbxjd: was it a black screen with white text or a purple menu?
[18:07] <daftykins> nfjfjfbxjd: so make sure everything works from the live session
[18:09] <directhex_> daftykins: ooh, spotting the difference between grub and isolinux. good call
[18:09] <daftykins> ;) ty sir - just things i've picked up from assisting in #ubuntu though really
[18:10] <daftykins> so more just the info from the...
[18:10] <daftykins> !uefi
[18:10] <daftykins> ^link
[18:10] <nfjfjfbxjd> kk
[18:10] <nfjfjfbxjd> trying
[18:19] <nfjfjfbxjd> its only 1gb iso
[18:19] <nfjfjfbxjd> thts wrong isnt it?
[18:20] <daftykins> nope
[18:20] <daftykins> that's how big it is
[18:20] <diddledan> noooo, the remote host killed hexie!
[18:20] <nfjfjfbxjd> hnm
[18:20] <nfjfjfbxjd> theb what do i do
[18:21] <diddledan> [19:20:18] 	directhex_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>left IRC. (Remote host closed the connection)
[18:21] <nfjfjfbxjd> its not booting
[18:21] <diddledan> evil remote host!
[18:21] <nfjfjfbxjd> should i change where the usb is?
[18:22] <daftykins> nfjfjfbxjd: what's the current state of the flash drive? does it have 14.04.1 on it right now?
[18:22] <daftykins> i thought you said a moment ago that it booted fine
[18:22] <nfjfjfbxjd> i thought it did
[18:22] <nfjfjfbxjd> but no
[18:22] <daftykins> why, what happened?
[18:24] <nfjfjfbxjd> it just stopped and booted 13.04 again
[18:27] <daftykins> i see
[18:34] <nfjfjfbxjd> i downloaded the file on ubuntu
[18:34] <nfjfjfbxjd> maybe thats rhw issue
[18:35] <nfjfjfbxjd> im going to diwbload it on windows and folliw your steps again
[18:40] <diddledan> a-gentoo-ing I will go
[18:40] <diddledan> a-gentoo-ing I will go
[18:40] <diddledan> ee aye the adio
[18:40] <diddledan> a-gentoo-ing I will go
[18:40] <diddledan> :-p
[18:42] <daftykins> you fiend.
[18:42] <daftykins> haven't you weeded them all out yet? ;)
[18:42] <diddledan> :-p
[18:43] <diddledan> I wouldn't mind them if I had the leeway to bring them all up-to-date en-masse
[18:43] <diddledan> instead I'm bringing them up-to-date via a piecemeal method
[18:44] <daftykins> long and tedious eh
[20:47] <skinns> I am suddenly not able to write any files as root user on my server. Has anyone heard of this?
[20:48] <skinns> just today I tried to save a file and it wont let me
[20:48] <skinns> so odd
[20:48] <daftykins> can you pastebin the output of "mount" ?
[20:48] <skinns> sure
[20:48] <daftykins> paste.ubuntu.com \o/
[20:49] <skinns> http://pastebin.com/weFXAAtx
[20:49] <skinns> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7927207/
[20:50] <daftykins> well that error doesn't sound happy
[20:51] <daftykins> so although everything shows as rw, as it says they could be lies
[20:51] <skinns> so odd that it just decided to break on me
[20:51] <daftykins> i take it it persists across reboots?
[20:51] <skinns> yes
[20:52] <daftykins> and permissions look normal?
[20:52] <skinns> as far as I know
[20:52] <skinns> I dont know much about linux
[20:52] <skinns> is there something I can check to see the permissions
[20:54] <daftykins> "ls -al /"
[20:54] <daftykins> although if you're trying to write as root, that should never be a problem
[20:54] <daftykins> then again - you shouldn't really run as root
[20:56] <skinns> hmmm well I really hope this doesnt mean I need to rebuild the server
[20:57] <diddledan> it might be that your filesystem needs fscking
[20:57] <skinns> does that require a reboot?
[20:57] <diddledan> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t1.0-9/10513460_10152315466402054_5969299639222510482_n.jpg
[20:57] <diddledan> potentially, yes
[20:58] <daftykins> LOL
[20:58] <skinns> haha
[20:59] <daftykins> yeah wouldn't hurt to boot a desktop liveCD and fsck then skinns
[20:59] <daftykins> i gotta go get some food on, bbl
[20:59] <skinns> prob is that this is a live web server
[20:59] <skinns> and i dont have access  to it
[20:59] <skinns> just ssh
[21:00] <daftykins> ooh-err.
[21:02] <diddledan> this is why we do everything in virtual land where I work with the host-systems barely ever touched http://paste.ubuntu.com/7927286/
[21:02] <diddledan> the host-systems 50/50 chance of a reboot actually working
[21:03] <diddledan> hence the large uptime
[21:03] <diddledan> have a**
[21:08] <skinns> is it a bad thing to try and change ownership of everything to root?
[21:09] <diddledan> yes
[21:11] <skinns> haha ok
[23:00] <maps|wrk> hello aall
[23:01] <maps|wrk> daftykins:  did you do any of the edx course? ive read upto and including chapter3