[00:00] <Stanley00> yes! at last firefox get back to "normal" ;))
[00:24] <min|dvir|us> Hi. I have reset all of my configuration (rm -rf .gnome .gnome2 .gconf blah blah). I am able to run unity --reset. However, when I run ccsm, I see the Unity launcher plugin is unchecked. I check it? Compiz quits.
[00:24] <min|dvir|us> (No title bars.)
[00:25] <Stanley00> min|dvir|us: did you try relogin after remove your configs?
[00:25] <min|dvir|us> Yes.
[00:26] <Daekdroom> Unity isn't working here either
[00:26] <min|dvir|us> This has been happening for a couple of days now.
[00:26] <min|dvir|us> It really sucks.
[00:26] <Stanley00> min|dvir|us: sound strange
[00:27] <min|dvir|us> I'm using gnome-shell now, but whenever I try to switch back, desktop explodes.
[00:28] <Stanley00> min|dvir|us: idk, you can try adding new user, if it works, look in your config
[00:28] <urlin2u> min|dvir|us, Daekdroom  either one of you been tweaking compiz
[00:28] <Daekdroom> Nope. It just won't work.
[00:29] <Daekdroom> unity --reset doesn't do anything
[00:29] <min|dvir|us> I reset all of my settings.
[00:29] <Daekdroom> I should try it again after upgrading packages, tho.
[00:29] <urlin2u> Daekdroom, isn't there a 2d choice not sure here.
[00:29] <Daekdroom> There is a 2D choice. I've been using it.
[00:30] <Stanley00> min|dvir|us: can you tell me what exactly dir you have delete?
[00:30] <urlin2u> for unity?
[00:30] <Daekdroom> Yes.
[00:30] <Daekdroom> Albeit similar, I can tell the diference easily.
[00:30] <urlin2u> Daekdroom, sounds like a graphics driver is needd
[00:30] <Daekdroom> Nope.
[00:30] <Daekdroom> It's a unity issue
[00:30] <min|dvir|us> Stanley00: let me check.
[00:30] <Daekdroom> It was working alright before some updates.
[00:31] <min|dvir|us> Stanley00: `rm -rf .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity`
[00:31] <urlin2u> Daekdroom, have you avoided the partial upgrade, not sure if ut is still there I just went to synaptic and ran the whole thing
[00:31] <urlin2u> it
[00:31] <min|dvir|us> Also, I just tried to log in to my guest account, and I got a system problem.
[00:32] <Daekdroom> I'm pretty sure the whole unity stuff is installed.
[00:32] <Stanley00> min|dvir|us: as I though, need delete .compiz* too ;)
[00:32] <min|dvir|us> Stanley00: can I do this without logging out?
[00:32] <min|dvir|us> I'll just run unity --reset.
[00:32] <Stanley00> min|dvir|us: I think you should log out
[00:33] <Stanley00> min|dvir|us: and delete .config too ;)
[00:33] <min|dvir|us> Hell no.
[00:33] <min|dvir|us> I deleted those, and .compiz. I'm not deleting .config.
[00:34] <min|dvir|us> I can't believe you'd suggest that.
[00:34] <Stanley00> min|dvir|us: at least .config/compiz* ;)
[00:34] <min|dvir|us> OK, done.
[00:34] <min|dvir|us> I'll be right back.
[00:35] <Stanley00> min|dvir|us: good luck ;))
[00:42] <min|dvir|us> Stanley00: did not help.
[00:42] <elliott> Is gnome-session-fallback really the recommended way of getting a typical GNOME shell? The panel looks ridiculous; much worse than the GNOME fallback in Natty.
[00:43] <Stanley00> min|dvir|us: hmm, bad luck...
[00:44] <min|dvir|us> Stanley00: computing is never about luck.
[00:45] <Stanley00> min|dvir|us: did you run unity --replace, and unity --reset when deleting your config?
[00:45] <TheBuntu> installed gnome-shell-extensions-user-theme.. but its not showing up in gnome-tweak-tool... so i can use shell themes
[00:45] <min|dvir|us> I did not run unity --replace because according to --help, it is the same thing as just unity.
[00:46] <min|dvir|us> I did run unity --reset.
[00:46] <jbicha> elliott: bug 828392 set your theme to Adwaita
[00:46] <jbicha> and of course, gnome-session-fallback isn't a "typical GNOME shell"
[00:47] <elliott> jbicha: Well, it's not just the look.
[00:47] <elliott> I'm using a dark theme.
[00:47] <elliott> And the system menu, for instance, is gone.
[00:47] <min|dvir|us> Anyone have any advice? I can't run the Ubuntu panels at all.
[00:47] <elliott> Plus the clock is in the middle of the panel for no apparent reason.
[00:48] <jbicha> elliott: you're welcome to move the clock, that is the new GNOME default to make it look more like GNOME Shell, same with removing System
[00:48] <Stanley00> min|dvir|us: one more trial and error, add a user, and check that if that new user can use unity nicely...
[00:48] <min|dvir|us> I already did. No success.
[00:48] <min|dvir|us> It's definitely a software issue.
[00:49] <min|dvir|us> Segmentation fault, every time.
[00:49] <elliott> jbicha: Well, okay. But still: the background of the panel is a solid colour rather than a gradient for some reason. That surely can't be intentional, as it just makes the panel look discontinuous and weird.
[00:49] <elliott> (And I'm definitely using a dark theme, the default.)
[00:50] <elliott> jbicha: And I certainly would change it, but right-clicking the panel doesn't give Preferences, and right-clicking elements don't give Move.
[00:50] <elliott> They just have the other menu items.
[00:50] <jbicha> elliott: you have to hold down Alt while right-clicking
[00:51] <Stanley00> min|dvir|us: then you have a big problem, sorry, I cant help you out this case, it's out of my ability
[00:51] <elliott> How silly. :/
[00:51] <min|dvir|us> Anyone want to help me with my big problem?
[00:51] <min|dvir|us> Unity does not work at all.
[00:51] <elliott> Still, I don't understand why the panel background has been changed to look so silly.
[00:51] <min|dvir|us> Sandy Bridge, using onboard graphics.
[00:51] <urlin2u> min|dvir|us, have you tried the 2d?
[00:52] <min|dvir|us> Yes, works just fine.
[00:52] <urlin2u> sandyt bridge look on the web is your best choice U think as well
[00:52] <urlin2u> u=I
[00:54] <jbicha> elliott: actually, setting the background to Solid Colour has a nice effect
[00:54] <elliott> you mean it makes all the text unreadable against the background? :P
[01:02] <jbicha> elliott: text is readable here, what background do you use?
[01:02] <elliott> The default.
[01:02] <elliott> I guess I'll just have to downgrade if I can't get the panel working sanely...
[01:04] <ModalSurrealist> I am having a problem with my computer not recognizing the hdmi output being connected
[01:05] <ModalSurrealist> when I had the default nvidia driver it showed an option for the hdmi device but was not actually displaying... and hten after installing the nvidia drivers it has gone away entirely
[01:09] <elliott> So, there is no known way to fix the background of gnome-panel in oneiric?
[01:10] <urlin2u> elliott, your using a development and you want to download?
[01:11] <urlin2u> downgrade
[01:11] <jbicha> elliott: try Solid Color, set the style slider all the way to Opaque and use the eyedropper to pick the same color as the window borders
[01:12] <elliott> urlin2u: I guess I'm not cut out for the betas. :p But I doubt this will be fixed, since Canonical doesn't seem to care about the Gnome desktop any more, seeing as it's being removed... jbicha: Well, the solid colour that it is now is close to that, it's just that every /element/ of the panel has the expected gradient behind it, so the fact that the gradient is discontinuous and only shows behind the panel elements is really jarring and ugly.
[01:14] <jbicha> it's not true that Canonical and Ubuntu devs don't care about the GNOME desktop
[01:14] <jbicha> there are very few devs working on gnome-panel though, gnome-shell is nice if you're in to that sort of thing
[01:16] <elliott> I guess I'm just annoyed that it's becoming harder and harder to get a desktop I can use each release... sorry. I don't care much for Gnome Shell, I'm afraid
[01:17] <Stanley00> elliott: you want a gnome2 desktop as before?
[01:17] <elliott> Stanley00: I'm fine with gnome3 as long as it has the traditional panels around it.
[01:17] <urlin2u> arch has a fork, cetos, debian still have it
[01:18] <urlin2u> centos
[01:18] <elliott> I know. I'll probably just switch to Xubuntu if all else fails...
[01:18] <Stanley00> elliott: gnome3 has a ppa for ubuntu, I think, and you can use a alternate CD to install just what you want ;0
[01:18] <elliott> I have gnome-panel installed right now, I'm just having problems with it...
[01:19] <min|dvir|us> Hey, guys. I think I've discovered my problem.
[01:19] <min|dvir|us> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/852280
[01:20] <min|dvir|us> I'd just like to know if there is anything I can do to mitigate this bug's effects.
[01:27] <ModalSurrealist> Follow up: On my nvidia card, if I enable one of the nvidia drivers then it does not recognize the hdmi output (even after installing nvidia-settings and nvtv)
[01:28] <ModalSurrealist> However, if I use Ubuntu's default driver... it SEES the TV but it does not actually display a picture on the TV
[01:28] <OerHeks> min|dvir|us, did you confirm this bug on launchpad ?
[01:28] <ModalSurrealist> Can someone please guide me as to the next thing to troubleshoot it?
[01:28] <min|dvir|us> OerHeks: I did not, but I did vouch for it.
[01:28] <OerHeks> min|dvir|us, else you can do is reinstall ccsm & unity plugin
[01:29] <min|dvir|us> How?
[01:29] <min|dvir|us> I already reinstalled CCSM.
[01:29] <min|dvir|us> I want to reinstall the plugin.
[01:33] <OerHeks> hmm does that plugin come with ubuntu-tweak ?
[01:34] <sianhulo> how i enable an screensaver?
[01:38] <OerHeks> sianhulo, good question, i find no screensaver nor settings, only energy settings. i guess you have to install them manually ?
[01:38] <alex_mayorga> sianhulo: click the gear at the top right, settings, screen perhaps?
[01:39] <sianhulo> alex_mayorga, i don't have any gear at the top right
[01:41] <sianhulo> i'm on screen and onlys hows screen time out and block time
[01:41] <sianhulo> shows*
[02:03] <bandit5432> any one know any-thing about change nautilus icons??
[02:05] <len> I installed Kubuntu Oneiric on an Acer 0722 netbook (new revision with new C-60 cpu and newer radeon), and the touchpad doesn't work at all.  I checked the Xorg log and it showed it recognized a synaptics touchpad and loaded the drivers, so I'm not sure why it's not working.  Any ideas?
[02:05] <bandit5432> does it have a way to disable it with a switch?
[02:05] <bandit5432> or key?
[02:06] <len> I'm not sure, but it worked in Windows 7.
[02:07] <bandit5432> ok have  you run  kde-config-touchpad
[02:08] <len> I went into the touchpad configuration settings.  That's for fine tuning the touchpads behavior though.  This pad is getting zero response to any kind of taps or movements.
[02:09] <bandit5432> i am looking there was a bug with this problem
[02:09] <bandit5432> does the mouse work on the login screen?
[02:11] <len> I don't think so, but I'll log out and see.  I have a mouse plugged in, and it works for everthing, just fine--the keypad works for nothing that I know of.   I'll log out and see though.
[02:14] <len> Nope.  Restarted X-server from login screen too, and nothing.  Will reboot and test from login.
[02:16] <TheBuntu> in gnome shell i can see the normal gnome 2.x.x panel showing thru the shell panel
[02:18] <len> Doesn't work after a reboot either.  I wonder of all Acer 0722 netbooks are effected, or just the ones shipping in the last month or two with updated hardware.  The label on the units themselves even still say C-50  processor, but the latest shipping ones, indeed come with newer hardware (C-60, newer radeon version, and maybe updated mb chipset too since video is onboard.
[02:19] <bandit5432> hmm i wonder if having a mouse pluged in disables the touchpad
[02:19] <bandit5432> have you tried it with the mouse unplugged?
[02:24] <len> Yes.  The only reason I plugged in the mouse is because the touchpad wasn't working.  :)
[02:24] <bandit5432> also have you shutdown this computer and tried?  see https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Synaptics_Loses_Multitouch_Detection_After_Rebooting_From_Windows
[02:25] <bandit5432> i am at a lose did it work ok in the live system?
[02:25] <bandit5432> loss'
[02:27] <len> I went right into install with out booting into the live desktop first.  I'll try booting off the live Flash to see if it works.  Have to change my bios back to boot for usb first though, so it will take me a few minutes.
[02:28] <bandit5432> wait
[02:29] <bandit5432> if this is a fresh install try deleting the .kde in ~
[02:29] <syn-ack> Hey, I've got a question... Since upstream isn't doing it anymore, is Ubuntu going to add actual screensavers to the distro now or are we just gonna have to use something like xscreensaver?
[02:30] <urlin2u> b&jy4?<!dC
[02:33] <bandit5432> len, did you install the radeon drivers?
[02:34] <len> No, because I read that they would screw up suspend on this netbook.
[02:34] <bandit5432> hmm
[02:34] <len> Just booted into live flash, and it's not working from there either.
[02:35] <TheBuntu> Cant get gnome shell themes to look the way there supose to.. Because the gnome 2 style panel is showing thru the gnome shell panel
[02:36] <bandit5432> len let me look some where else
[02:36] <len> K.  I wonder if this is a problem common to all buntu's or just Kubuntu
[02:37] <bandit5432> you dont happen to have a diffrent linux distro or gnome to try do you?
[02:37] <bandit5432> other are haveing issues with touchapds on gnome as well
[02:37] <bandit5432> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/840857
[02:38] <len> Well, if this this had a dvd, it would be a lot easier to try a bunch of different CD's, but I only have the one flash drive.
[02:39] <em> hey syn-ack
[02:40] <syn-ack> em Hello.
[02:40] <em> haven't i seen you in other channels?
[02:40] <syn-ack> I'm sure you have.
[02:40] <em> cool :)
[02:40] <bandit5432> len i understand
[02:41] <syn-ack> Man I wish I had more ROM space on my Phone so I could run UbuntuONE on it.
[02:45] <bandit5432> len have you tried asking over at #kubuntu ??
[02:45] <len> Hmm.  I just found a key to toggle touchpad on off.  It's <Fn><F7>, and now it is working!  I never turned it off in the first place though, and can't see how I could have hit that by accident, so maybe it is disabling it at start for some reason.  I'm going to reboot and see if it is still enabled at startup.
[02:46] <bandit5432> :) yay
[02:48] <bandit5432> any one have any suggetions on a room to ask for help in hacking the nautilus ui?
[02:50] <len> Hmm.  That only worked on the live CD.  When I booted back to the HD it wasn't working again.  Tried the toggle again, but didn't work + I don't know if it thinks it is on or off because there is no led to tell you which way it is supposed to be toggled.
[02:51] <bandit5432> some people said that when you open the touchpad options in kde thats when it stops working
[02:51] <bandit5432> have you talked to any one in #kubuntu ???
[02:52] <bandit5432> i see you are in that channel
[02:52] <len> No, I figured they wouldn't want oneiric talk in there
[02:52] <bandit5432> lets ask real quick and see what happens
[02:52] <bandit5432> there is a kubuntu+1 buts its invite only
[02:53] <rww> it's not invite only, it redirects here, but you're already here and freenode has odd errors sometimes
[02:53] <len> Not really in there, Quassel just auto logged me in 'cause I was there before.
[02:53] <rww> well, it is invite only. but it's also +f
[02:53] <len> I did not know about K+1
[02:53] <bandit5432> i see rww
[02:54] <bandit5432> wonder why i get an error when i try and join it
[02:54] <bandit5432> no matter
[02:54] <bandit5432> you think he will get more help here or in kubuntu?
[02:55]  * rww sighs
[02:55] <bandit5432> :|
[02:55] <rww> bandit5432: If you're not in #ubuntu+1 and do /join #kubuntu+1, you end up here.
[02:55] <rww> There is no separate channel population in #kubuntu+1
[02:55] <bandit5432> i wondered about that
[02:55] <bandit5432> but i didnt want to try it
[02:56] <rww> If you are in #ubuntu+1 and do /join #kubuntu+1, freenode gives a stupid error message, but it means "can't forward to a channel you're already in"
[02:56] <bandit5432> makes perfect sense
[02:56] <bandit5432> but some one should put that in the channel topic of kubuntu i would think
[02:57] <bandit5432> of course people never read the topic so nvm
[02:57] <bandit5432> is there a dedicated ubuntu or gnome hacking channel that any one knows about??
[02:58] <TheBuntu> Anyone able to tell me why gnome3 shell is runing on top of gnome 2
[02:58] <bandit5432> i dont frequent irc enough these days
[02:58] <len> I logged back into Windows so I could tell for sure what state the touchpad was in.  Logged out and back into Kubuntu, and now it is working.   It seems like the synaptics driver is working fine, but something funny is going on the changing the enabled/disabled state.
[02:58] <bandit5432> TheBuntu, are you runnin gnome 2 themes on gnome 3?
[02:59] <bandit5432> len kde is having issues with touchpads it looks like they have been for a while now from reading forum posts
[02:59] <len> At least it is good to know that driver itself works.
[03:00] <bandit5432> yes
[03:01] <TheBuntu> bandit5432: installed kubuntu 11.10... then installed ubuntu-desktop.... then gnome shell... installed gnome shell themes.. and i see gnome 2 panel behind gnome shell panel
[03:01] <bandit5432> len,  i would still ask in the kbuntu channel and see what they say
[03:02] <bandit5432> TheBuntu, when you login what desktop do you choose?
[03:02] <TheBuntu> gnome
[03:02] <jbicha> TheBuntu: what graphics driver are you using?
[03:03] <TheBuntu> i have uninstalled unity... gnome panel for gnome 2... metacity...
[03:03] <TheBuntu> bandit5432: nvidia 280
[03:03] <len> Now I just need to figure out why the wired networking is flacky and unreliable.  This is the first computer, out of a couple dozen or so, that I've ever had any issues with a wired nic in any linux.  Usually it's the wireless that is the problem.  The really strange part is the the wired nic is Atheros in this system and the wireless is broadcom.  I've never seen Atheros wired before, and if it is you'd thing the system would have wireless
[03:03] <len> Atheros too.
[03:05] <TheBuntu> even have right click on the desktop and gnome3 dont have right click
[03:05] <jbicha> TheBuntu: GNOME 3 does have right click, can you post a screenshot?
[03:05] <bandit5432> i think jbicha can help you more than me TheBuntu
[03:05] <len> I supposed most people don't use netbooks wired too often.
[03:06] <bandit5432> len, i use wired when ever i can so if i use my laptop even i use it wired
[03:06] <bandit5432> the cards i have been seeing in netbooks and laptops lately have been really weird like that
[03:07] <len> I always feel better wired too, but in this case, something is goofy with the wired,  and the wireless works better.   I'm thinking maybe there is some kind of confict going on with the wired and wireless drivers.
[03:07] <bandit5432> look at you logs and see what they say
[03:08] <bandit5432> i dont have any clue on how to do that with kde though
[03:08] <bandit5432> looks like you would use KSystemLog
[03:09] <len> the wired driver to giving off error messages.  I'm going to look into it.  Just seems strange to have wired driver problems.
[03:09] <TheBuntu> bandit5432: http://i.imgur.com/pAOBh.jpg     if you look at panel you can see gnome2 menel behind gnome shel panel
[03:10] <bandit5432> TheBuntu,  looks like you have nautilus running in the background
[03:10] <bjsnider> there's nothing unusual in that screenshot
[03:11] <bjsnider> that is indeed nautilus running in the bg
[03:11] <TheBuntu> how do i get it out of the background
[03:11] <bandit5432> killall nautilus?
[03:11] <bjsnider> i will respawn
[03:11] <bandit5432> ok whats causing it then ?
[03:12] <bjsnider> that happens because you have nautilus handling the desktop in gnome-tweak-tool
[03:12] <bandit5432> you reading this TheBuntu ?
[03:12] <bjsnider> switch that off and nautilus will not appear like that
[03:13] <TheBuntu> that fixed it....
[03:13] <bandit5432> good call bjsnider and ty
[03:13] <jbicha> TheBuntu: but by default the GNOME Shell top bar isn't supposed to be transparent
[03:13] <hasen> just upgraded to 11.10, my laptop has an ati video card, and doesn't boot properly
[03:13] <bjsnider> he's obviously themed gnome-shell to some degree
[03:13] <hasen> it boots when i choose recovery mode, but no 3d
[03:14] <TheBuntu> i know... i install gnome shell themes
[03:14] <hasen> I'm on the open source driver
[03:15] <bandit5432> hasen have you installed the proprietory drivers?
[03:15] <hasen> bandit5432, no i haven't
[03:15] <hasen> should i?
[03:15] <TheBuntu> jbicha: my GNOME Shell is useing Malys-blackglass theme
[03:15] <hasen> I've always done fine without them
[03:16] <bandit5432> well you have to have accelerated drivers for unity i believe
[03:16] <hasen> It worked with 11.04
[03:17] <bandit5432> try installing the drivers and see if it works
[03:17] <hasen> ok
[03:17] <hasen> I'm kinda worried about them messing the system
[03:18] <hasen> but I dont know if it can get any messier :P
[03:18] <bandit5432> that should not mess the system up
[03:19] <bandit5432> click on the dash button and choose more apps
[03:19] <hasen> installing now ..
[03:19] <bandit5432> you are fast
[03:19] <hasen> I'm talking from a mac here ..
[03:19] <hasen> well not really that fast ..
[03:20] <hasen> I already knew i have this option
[03:20] <bandit5432> you like the new unity features?
[03:20] <hasen> but I don't know, I was worried
[03:20] <hasen> oh I love unity
[03:20] <hasen> hm, that may have sounded sarcastic .. (it's not)
[03:20] <bandit5432> from what i have used of osx i would think most mac users would like unity
[03:21] <hasen> I bought this mac after unity ;)
[03:21] <hasen> and yea, I think unity is better than mac
[03:21] <hasen> well, the desktop part anyway
[03:22] <bandit5432> i have not used osx enough to much time doing other things
[03:22] <bandit5432> hmmi updated my drivers as well and my vm install is running better
[03:23] <hasen> installation done, booted fine now :D
[03:23] <bandit5432> good
[03:23] <bandit5432> looks better with the drivers for me any way
[03:24] <hasen> hmm, no shadows ..
[03:24] <bandit5432> uhoh
[03:24] <hasen> how can I stop the launcher from hiding?
[03:24] <bandit5432> did you switch to the regular unity at login?
[03:25] <hasen> yea
[03:25] <hasen> it doesn't believe i have 3d? :/
[03:26] <hasen> hm, and hd video flickers in vlc
[03:26] <bandit5432> let me login to regular unity
[03:26] <hasen> are you on a radeon card as well?
[03:27] <bandit5432> no i am in a vm
[03:27] <hasen> ok
[03:30] <bandit5432> for the unity launcher look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/29553/how-can-i-configure-unity scroll down to the 11.10 part
[03:30] <bandit5432> when you login are you getting an error about 3d?
[03:31] <hasen> hm, i don't think so
[03:32] <bandit5432> if you are not getting an error and you choose unity at login then you should be good to go
[03:32] <hasen> that's what I did ..
[03:32] <hasen> i uninstalled fglrx (sp?) using instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/FglrxInteferesWithRadeonDriver#Problem:%20%20Need%20to%20fully%20remove%20-fglrx%20and%20reinstall%20-ati%20from%20scratch
[03:32] <hasen> and now got the same problem again ..
[03:33] <hasen> guess I have to install it again :/
[03:33] <hasen> I should install gnome-shell too
[03:33] <bandit5432> i would reinstall the ati drivers yes
[03:34] <bandit5432> i would only install gnome-shell if you want to try it or dont like unity
[03:35] <hasen> well ..
[03:35] <hasen> why?
[03:35]  * Stanley00 dont know why so many people doesnt like unity... :(
[03:35] <hasen> it also serves for comparison
[03:35] <bandit5432> well yes thats true
[03:36] <bandit5432> Stanley00, i just have not used it and am used to the work flow of gnome 2
[03:38] <Stanley00> bandit5432: gnome 2 is not supported anymore, isnt it?
[03:38] <bandit5432> some features are not that is correct
[03:38] <bandit5432> but it currently works ok with 11.04
[03:39] <rww> Stanley00: no, it isn't
[03:39] <bandit5432> and i am looking into swtiching to gnome 3 using fallback mode
[03:39] <hasen> ok, gnome-shell does say that 3d failed to load (no i haven't reinstall proprietry yet)
[03:39] <bandit5432> you need to install the ati drivers
[03:39] <Stanley00> bandit5432: gnome3 doesnt look like gnome2 either, everything changed ;)
[03:40] <bandit5432> no it doesnt look exactly the same but it looks more like gnome 2 then unity or gnome-shell
[03:42] <bandit5432> i am really interested in using unity on my tablet i think for that purpose i will like it
[03:44] <TheBuntu> anytime i open nautilus it opens plus opens in the background... i close it then i have to do the killall nautilus... is there away to stop that
[03:45] <hasen> ok, now gnome-shell works fine (3d) but unity still has no shadows ... and feels like unity-2d
[03:46] <Stanley00> TheBuntu: I dont think that's a good idea... nautilus need run in background in case you plug in some USB drive, or some kind of that
[03:48] <TheBuntu> Stanley00: i i open it... it opens and i close it.. you see the menu behind my gnome shell top panel...
[03:48] <bandit5432> hasen i dont have a clue about the shadows i dont see where there should be shadows
[03:48] <bandit5432> open a app and then open the dash and see what that looks like
[03:49] <TheBuntu> ibut in gnome tweak tool i just truned off let file manager handle desktop and that fixed it
[03:49] <Stanley00> TheBuntu: ah, that the menu of unity, some kind of global menu, never mind that
[03:49] <TheBuntu> Stanley00: i uninstalled unity
[03:50] <hasen> ok, the dash background is blurred .. but it's a static blur
[03:50] <Stanley00> TheBuntu: hmm, I dont have exp with gnome-shell, just use unity, then sorry :(
[03:50] <TheBuntu> allready fixed it so it dont matter
[03:52] <hasen> The unity settings don't seem to be respected: the launcher is set to never hides, but it auto-hides
[03:52] <hasen> seems like I'm running unity-2d
[03:52] <bandit5432> i had that problem with cssm a logout and logback in seemed to fix it
[03:53] <Stanley00> hasen: you can check via drag an icon out of launcher...
[03:53] <bandit5432> ok that helps ty Stanley00
[03:54] <hasen> I type 'unity' to a command line and it crashed .. :P
[03:54] <hasen> lost the window decoration
[03:54] <hasen> how do I get it back?
[03:54] <hasen> compiz doesn't run
[03:54] <Stanley00> hasen: try press ctrl + alt + del to log out
[03:54] <hasen> gtk-window-decorator isn't doing anything
[03:55] <hasen> ok, i was hoping there's a way to bring it back without logging out ..
[03:55] <Stanley00> hasen: then type Ctrl +  Alt + F1 or so, then rerun unity ;)
[03:56] <hasen> that's how it crashed ..
[03:56] <hasen> (i typed it into a terminal window)
[03:56] <hasen> anyway I'm rebooting now
[03:56] <Stanley00> hasen: that's a good choice ;)
[03:57] <hasen> hm, can't move icons outside launcher
[03:57] <bandit5432> looks like the always show the unity launcher does not work if you run anyhting maximized
[03:57] <hasen> no my unity is falling back to unity-2d
[03:58] <hasen> I don't get it
[03:58] <hasen> when I ran it from a live usb, it worked fine
[03:58] <bandit5432> you cant move the icons form the launcher
[03:59] <hasen> yes and the workspace switcher is 2d-esque
[03:59] <bandit5432> i dont see much diffrence between unity 3d and 2d maybe mine is not working either
[04:00] <sgerbino> hey all, does anyone know if eclipse indigo will make it in 11.10?
[04:00] <hasen> oooooh
[04:00] <hasen> wait
[04:00] <hasen> when I typed unity into the terminal
[04:00] <micahg> sgerbino: someone is working on it, but it might not happen
[04:00] <hasen> it fails because plugin 'text' is not loaded ..
[04:01] <sgerbino> micahg: thanks for the info
[04:01] <hasen> compiz (core) - Error: Plugin 'test' not loaded.
[04:01] <hasen> ^ text
[04:02] <Stanley00> sgerbino: but you can manually install it.
[04:02] <sgerbino> Stanley00: I did, I got it in /opt/eclipse running good now -- just was curious about having it in repo and unity integration possibly
[04:03] <Stanley00> sgerbino: it still galileo, as I know ;))
[04:04] <bandit5432> i dont have a clue hasen
[04:04] <hasen> enabled text plugin, now get 'GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object not supported'
[04:05] <bandit5432> is this a fresh install or and update?
[04:05] <hasen> upgrade
[04:06] <bandit5432> hmm some one else is going to have to help you on this one
[04:06] <bandit5432> i am out of ideas
[04:06] <hasen> no worries
[04:06] <hasen> maybe now I will install fglrx again
[04:07] <hasen> (i have the other ati driver now :P)
[04:07] <bandit5432> which are the ati ones?
[04:07] <hasen> there's 2
[04:07] <hasen> one for 2d
[04:07] <hasen> one for 3d
[04:07] <hasen> hmm
[04:07] <hasen> jokey thinks fglrx is installed ..
[04:08] <bandit5432> you need the drivers from ati which are the fglrx ones i believe
[04:11] <bandit5432> hasen could you open a terminal and run glxgears?
[04:12] <hasen> glxgears works fine
[04:12] <escott> bandit5432, glxgears is not a good way to test
[04:12] <escott> use glxinfo instead
[04:13] <escott> virtually any processor these days can run glxgears above your refresh rate
[04:13] <bandit5432> oh i thought it would give an error if 3d accelration was not working
[04:14] <bandit5432> and for me it does at the start same error as glxgears OpenGL Warning: Failed to connect to host. Make sure 3D acceleration is enabled for this VM.
[04:16] <bandit5432> hasen you dont get an error about no 3d acceleration?
[04:16] <hasen> bandit: no, and gnome-shell works fine
[04:17] <bandit5432> so then i would say that unity was working fine as well
[04:17] <hasen> no
[04:18] <hasen> when i run it from a terminal I do get an error
[04:18] <hasen> (I posted it above)
[04:18] <hasen> gl_arb_vertex_buffer not supported
[04:20] <hasen> google shows that the proprietry driver sucks
[04:21] <hasen> someone got that error with it on 11.04
[04:22] <bandit5432> what card are you using?
[04:22] <hasen> some radeon
[04:23] <hasen> system76 laptop
[04:24] <urlin2u> hasen, you can get sytem76 support on the Ubuntu forums as well from them directly, if needed.
[04:24] <hasen> hehe, I don't know .. I'm installing a beta version of ubuntu
[04:24] <bandit5432> hasen try changing the settings in the ati control center
[04:24] <bandit5432> sudo amdcccle
[04:25] <hasen> hmm, ok i'll try that
[04:25] <hasen> didn't know about that command
[04:25] <hasen> thanks
[04:26] <bandit5432> and what does the out put of fglrxinfo show?
[04:26] <hasen> hold on, it's uninstalled right now
[04:27] <bandit5432> grumbles
[04:27] <bandit5432> :P
[04:27] <bandit5432> and yes i know no emots in the chat
[04:28] <hasen> what? there's a rule for that?
[04:28] <bandit5432> i need to find answers to my issues
[04:28] <bandit5432> hasen,  in most of these chaneels there is i assume there is in this one
[04:28] <hasen> what were they?
[04:31] <bandit5432> maybe they changed it or i am thinking of a diffrent channel
[04:31] <bandit5432> any way did you get the drivers installed?
[04:35] <bandit5432> hasen,  you get the drivers installed?
[04:35] <hasen> yea
[04:35] <hasen> amdcccle did nothing useful
[04:36] <bandit5432> did you restart after you installed the drivers?
[04:36] <hasen> yea of course
[04:36] <hasen> ATI mobitility radeon hd 4500 series
[04:36] <bandit5432> then unity is working now?
[04:37] <hasen> nope
[04:38] <bandit5432> whats the error?
[04:38] <hasen> same
[04:38] <hasen> gl_arb_vertex_buffer_object not supported
[04:40] <hasen> must some package missing or something ..
[04:40] <hasen> because the live usb works fine
[04:40] <hasen> or maybe I have a package that's conflicting?
[04:40] <hasen> or some legacy setting that's interfering ...
[04:41] <bandit5432> i would follow the instructions here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/FglrxInteferesWithRadeonDriver#Problem:__Need_to_fully_remove_-fglrx_and_reinstall_-ati_from_scratch
[04:41] <bandit5432> follow them all
[04:43] <hasen> :)
[04:43] <hasen> I did
[04:43] <hasen> I posted this link somewhere above
[04:43] <hasen> it goes back to the original problem:
[04:43] <hasen> boot fails with garbles screen
[04:44] <bandit5432> even after you reinstall all of the listed debs?
[04:44] <hasen> listed debs?
[04:44] <bandit5432> sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-core
[04:45] <hasen> i put all these commands in a file and run it from the terminal
[04:45] <hasen> yea
[04:45] <hasen> you meant packages, hehe
[04:45] <bandit5432> well packages = debs
[04:45] <hasen> I suppose
[04:45] <hasen> I thought you meant some specific .deb files
[04:45] <bandit5432> i would just copy and paste each command one at a time
[04:45] <hasen> as in, you know .. links to deb files to download
[04:46] <hasen> what? why?
[04:46] <hasen> that's a waste of time
[04:46] <bandit5432> then finaly run the last one sudo apt-get install fglrx-modaliases
[04:46] <hasen> hm, I doubht that one is needed
[04:46] <bandit5432> it is if you want the drivers to work
[04:47] <bandit5432> as the instructions say
[04:47] <bandit5432> If you want desktop effects (compiz or KDE) you'll need the glx module loaded. This will not work even after purging fglrx since a hanging libglx.so file is left around. Both fglrx and xserver-xorg-core provide this file so to replace it with the correct version you'll need to reinstall xserver-xorg-core as well.
[04:47] <hasen> that's the wrong paragraph
[04:47] <bandit5432> oh it is
[04:47] <hasen> that fglrx-modaliases is for when you want to be able to reinstall fglrx
[04:48] <bandit5432> fglrx are the ati drivers you need!!!
[04:49] <hasen> fglrx sucks
[04:49] <bandit5432> then enjoy not having a working 3d unity
[04:49] <hasen> I already tried it
[04:50] <bandit5432> the whole point of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/FglrxInteferesWithRadeonDriver#Problem:__Need_to_fully_remove_-fglrx_and_reinstall_-ati_from_scratch
[04:50] <bandit5432> is to purge the dirvers so you can install fglrx and get 3d accel to work
[04:50] <hasen> and that's what I did ..
[04:50] <bandit5432> see the post at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1743380
[04:51] <bandit5432> you just said you did not reinstall fglrx cause it sucks
[04:51] <hasen> no no I just said that ..
[04:52] <hasen> it sucks because it failed after I tried it
[04:52] <hasen> it failed from before too
[04:52] <hasen> this guide is NOT for reinstalling fglrx
[04:52] <hasen> it's for getting rid of it
 that fglrx-modaliases is for when you want to be able to reinstall fglrx ... is what you wrote
[04:52] <hasen> and using the open source driver
[04:52] <hasen> um yea
[04:52] <hasen> what I mean is
[04:52] <hasen> I'm not just being stubborn and hating fglrx
[04:52] <hasen> it actually doesn't solve the problem
[04:53] <bandit5432> oh ok
[04:53] <hasen> it could just be a bug because it's still in beta
[04:53] <hasen> oh well
[04:53] <bandit5432> so have you retried running all of the commands from the page posted and then restarting and see if it works now
[04:54] <hasen> aha
[04:54] <bandit5432> incuding the last one sudo apt-get install fglrx-modaliases
[04:54] <hasen> no
[04:55] <bandit5432> do that and see if it works
[04:57] <bandit5432> i am going to take a bath and when i get back i hope its working
[05:09] <bandit5432> does any one know if you can add buttons to nautilus 3.x i see where you can hide some?
[05:12] <hasen> is there a place that logs what happens when booting? like if anything fails during boot?
[05:13] <bandit5432> yes
[05:13] <bandit5432> and i just realized i have not clue where it is in 11.10
[05:15] <jbicha> bandit5432: no, you can't edit the Nautilus 3 buttons
[05:15] <bandit5432> its under dash>more apps>installed>logging
[05:16] <bandit5432> jbicha,  thank you i just found the bug post for it
[05:16] <bandit5432> seems that gnome has turned into apple :C
[05:17] <bandit5432> can any one confirm that the logging show logs?
[05:17] <bandit5432> log viewer that is'
[05:17] <bandit5432> nvm i see its not like the old one that showed some when you open it
[05:18] <bandit5432> hasen,  if you use log viewer you need to open the log file to be viewed
[05:18] <hasen> yea
[05:18] <hasen> which file though? :)
[05:19] <bandit5432> what are you looking for if its about the video driver open up Xorg.0.log
[05:20] <hasen> oh ok
[05:20] <hasen> path?
[05:21] <bandit5432> should open up to the correct path if not its /var/log/
[05:21] <bandit5432>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:21] <hasen> ok
[05:21] <bandit5432> i am sad now
[05:22] <hasen> aww
[05:22] <hasen> why?
[05:22] <hasen> :P
[05:23] <bandit5432> not with you i am tired of developers deciding just because they dont want something then every one else should not want it either
[05:26] <hasen> hmm, something weird
[05:27] <hasen> when i do that fglrx cleaning script
[05:27] <hasen> it says, while installing packages
[05:27] <hasen> that x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf is broken
[05:31] <bandit5432> which line do you get that error on?
[05:31] <famine> if I have 11.10 alpha installed...is there an apt command to upgrade my entire system to the latest version?
[05:33] <IdleOne> apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
[05:33] <bandit5432> any one running elementary?
[05:34] <rww> the Ubuntu derivative?
[05:34] <rww> if so, ask the #elementary channel, we don't support it here
[05:35] <bandit5432> i think its just a ppa adon
[05:35] <bandit5432> addon
[05:35] <bandit5432> cool i been asking for help with ubuntu for 2 days no response ask about elemetary and i get told where to go
[05:35] <bandit5432> thanks
[05:37] <bandit5432> hasen, what have you figured out?
[05:37] <hasen> reading this
[05:37] <hasen> https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/issues/80
[05:37] <hasen> final suggestion that worked for this guy was:
[05:37] <hasen> sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri
[05:37] <hasen> I'll try it
[05:39] <hasen> bandit5432, what was the thing you're asking about?
[05:40] <bandit5432> is cool jbicha found the answer for me
[05:40] <bandit5432> i wanted to know if there was a way to change the icon lay out of nuatulis
[05:41] <bandit5432> nautilus'
[05:41] <bandit5432> and there is not per the gnome devs say no and that not being able to change them is by design
[05:42] <bandit5432> hasen,  you notice that the command that you put in from the github is included in the commands that i wanted you to copy and paste into your tierminal from the ubuntu wiki??
[05:43] <bandit5432> terminal
[05:43] <hasen> was it?
[05:43] <bandit5432> sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-core
[05:43] <hasen> oh ok
[05:43] <hasen> hehe
[05:43] <hasen> I thought only the glx one was included
[05:43] <hasen> didn't check
[05:44] <hasen> anyway, it didn't work
[05:45] <bandit5432> did you get all the way to the end of the list of commands and restart?
[05:45] <bandit5432> should have been 7 commands
[05:46] <hasen> i copy-pasted the entire thing
[05:46] <hasen> didn't type it manualy one by one ..
[05:46] <bandit5432> and then the last one
[05:47] <bandit5432> sudo apt-get install fglrx-modaliases
[05:47] <hasen> hmm no
[05:47] <hasen> hehe
[05:47] <hasen> but I did run it
[05:47] <hasen> it didn't do anything
[05:47] <hasen> in fact it said package has no candidate
[05:47] <bandit5432> just now it did??
[05:48] <hasen> well .. not just now ..
[05:48] <hasen> a while ago
[05:48] <bandit5432> ok do you want help or not?
[05:48] <hasen> do you have anything new?
[05:49] <bandit5432> so far i dont think you have done anything i have suggested
[05:49] <bandit5432> what new do you want?
[05:49] <hasen> beleive me i did it all ..
[05:49] <bandit5432> any one else have any ideas??
[05:53] <bandit5432> hasen,  i am a little frustrated that you wont rerun the commands from the page i posted
[05:53] <bandit5432> and that it seems from what you say that you dont have the fglrx drivers installed
[05:59] <bandit5432> well any way hope you get it working
[06:27] <liar> jbicha: should gnome-settings-daemon be runned as root?
[06:28] <jbicha> liar: I don't think so
[06:30] <lucidfox> Sigh
[06:31] <lucidfox> A recent update or something broke my games in Wine
[06:31] <lucidfox> amd64, NVIDIA proprietary driver
[06:31] <lucidfox> err:d3d_caps:WineD3D_CreateFakeGLContext Can't find a suitable iPixelFormat.
[06:47] <lucidfox> Oh whee, it feels so nice to be ignored
[06:51] <ikonia> no-one is ignoring you
[07:25] <liar> jbicha: because yesterday when i said it worked on the classic desktop i accidentally invoked gnome-settings-daemon as root. so the conclusion: gnome-settings-daemon invoked as root fixes the themes until i reboot (both on unity and the classic desktop) but if its executed without sudo it does not work
[07:26] <jbicha> liar: if you run something as root that shouldn't be, it could mess up your file permissions
[07:29] <jbicha> I haven't messed with gnome-settings-daemon much but you could also try sudo chown -R yourname:yourname ~/.gconf
[07:29] <jbicha> and sudo chown -R yourusername:yourusername ~/.config
[07:30] <jbicha> but I don't know whether that's your problem or not
[07:30] <jpds> !gksudo | liar
[07:46] <farciarz84> hi, skype process doesn't dock in my taskbar. How to solve this? It is avaiable from unity bar but - it dissapeard. How to brin skye pocess to my screen? I tried to run it from unity but it sais another process is running
[07:51] <farciarz84> How to bring gui process back to my screen when it disappeard from unity-dock?
[07:52] <jpds> farciarz84: It probably died.
[07:53] <elky> farciarz84, all my icons are invisible for some reason too. can you alt-tab between windows?
[07:54] <farciarz84> elky: no
[08:01] <farciarz84> antoher hangs with ubuntu 11.10 :/ display manager really sucks. I have 2 monitors and trying to turn on he second - dimmed both screens. Nothing can be done -restart.
[08:02] <farciarz84> about dock and unity - process didn't died. Trying to run skype it says - antother process is running.
[08:03] <farciarz84> I don't like skype didn't dock in task-bar. Can't see now the events. And skype rendomly being out of unity forcing me to pkill -9 skype and running it once again.
[09:51] <binni> when I record in audacity or skype I just get noise, don't think it happened in ubuntu 11.04, I'm running xubuntu 11.10 beta 2.
[09:52] <binni> not sure about the exact name of the mic but it's on a logitech hd 720p webcam
[09:53] <HyperJapan> Hey guys
[09:53] <HyperJapan>  If I were to install Kubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 right now, when the final or another beta comes round, do I need to do a fresh install or update-manager -d, or can I just run normal updates to bring me to the latest release?
[09:54] <binni> HyperJapan: I asked this question earlier today, some guy said that if nothing brakes it's the same install.
[09:55] <HyperJapan> binni: Ah right, thanks
[09:58] <binni> okay so I managed to get audio recording working in audacity by changing input device from default: Mic: 0 to USB Device 0x46d:0x81b: USB Audio (hw:1,0): Mic: 1, so I guess I need to do the same for skype, going to see if I find any configuration for that.
[10:00] <binni> skype says: Microphone: PulseAudio server (local), okay.. so how do I change the mic of whatever that refers to?
[11:33] <liar> is there a way to get the unity panel to always display the close, minimize... buttons?
[12:13] <nmvictor> I am trying to install gnome-shell extensions with instructions from http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Manually_Install_Gnome_3_Extensions but i cant see them after logging out and back in, besides, the ALT+F2 then r, step to restart gnome-shell is not working. Nothing shows up when i ALT+F2, I am using Gnome-shell v3.1.92 in oneiric.
[12:13] <nmvictor> any help? ^
[12:14] <Stanley00> liar: what's it for?
[12:17] <cjohnston> I have adobe-flashplugin installed on my system from the partner repo, however I'm still unable to play flash on websites using chromium.. Any ideas?
[12:22] <htorque> has anyone heard of any rumors about the "P" codename yet? :)
[12:23] <Stanley00> htorque: nope, "O" is still beta now, so "P" is very far from here :))
[12:23] <htorque> thing is - it's not so very far from here. natty has been announced in early august. :)
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:29] <BluesKaj> I see a major desktop update for kde just came down from the repos . Wonder if it'll fix my kwin issues
[12:34] <M0hi> cjohnston: I have heard from many people that in chromium, that issue was existing. But was before a month. Not sure about now
[12:34] <cjohnston> I don't have trouble on my laptop which is also running +1 M0hi
[12:35] <M0hi> that is quite strange. you have multiarch enabled in both the machines right?
[12:35] <cjohnston> dunno
[12:37] <M0hi> You installed the beta version or is the desktop a version before alpha 3 ?
[12:37] <M0hi> From Alpha 3, multiarch is enabled by default
[12:37] <cjohnston> b2 on the desktop, the laptop was installed at a2 and upgraded
[12:39] <M0hi> err also the bug my friends were talking about was in Opera and not in Chromium. Sorry for the wrong update.
[12:39] <M0hi> cjohnston: try flashplugin64
[12:39] <cjohnston> M0hi: I'm not seeing that in my repos.. when searching
[12:40] <cjohnston> for some reason, which I'm trying to figure out now, I have two different lists when search adobe on the two machines
[12:40] <M0hi> ah!
[12:41] <cjohnston> I'm quite confused...
[12:41] <cjohnston> I'm not seeing any differences
[12:45] <cjohnston> M0hi: on my laptop, I have flashplugin-installer and flashplugin-downloader installed.. they arent available on the desktop
[12:46] <M0hi> cjohnston: repositories are the same?
[12:47] <cjohnston> afaict
[12:48] <iceroot> cjohnston: apt-get update? have you created a diff of /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:49] <cjohnston> I just went through it line by line.. yes, ive done apt-get update
[12:54] <cjohnston> not sure what i did.. but its finally there
[12:54] <cjohnston> thanks iceroot and M0hi
[12:58] <M0hi> cjohnston: hope your issue got solved :) visit UBT sometimes dude. I am not seeing you there recently
[12:58] <cjohnston> M0hi: I left BT a few years ago.
[12:59] <M0hi> But we are still open ;]
[12:59] <M0hi> s/with open hands
[12:59] <cjohnston> ;-)
[13:02] <M0hi> cjohnston: not fair :P
[13:02] <cjohnston> I waited for three minutes for a response
[13:02] <cjohnston> lol
[13:02] <M0hi> I was afk
[13:02] <M0hi> :P
[13:03] <M0hi> K time to leave. cya soon
[13:03] <M0hi> bye o/
[13:21] <liar> Stanley00: it's annoying that those things disappear
[13:23] <liar> Stanley00: i've looked the source up and it is not configurable by default as it seems
[13:23] <liar> so i just modified it :)
[13:24] <Stanley00> liar: at last, you have to move mouse there to close your app, so hide it for title is not a bad choice, I think
[13:32] <sagaci> are daily images for oneiric not being generated any more?
[13:35] <knightstalker> sagaci:http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ ?
[13:39] <sagaci> eh, must have just been update in the past few hours... this afternoon I was seeing 9/21.1
[13:40] <drapedup> does wine support DX11?
[13:47] <iceroot> drapedup: #winehq
[13:47] <drapedup> iceroot: thanks pal
[14:01] <liar> Stanley00: but if the windows is not maximized the buttons are not shown in the top
[14:01] <liar> this is what annoys me
[14:01] <liar> s/annoys/annoyed/g
[14:02] <Stanley00> liar: are you sure? it just the menu, close button is at the window, as I seeing here
[14:02] <liar> Stanley00: i just feel better if the menu bar and the buttons are in the same place
[14:04] <Stanley00> liar: I remember I hear some thing like "If you want the menu, mouse your mouse to top-left", just make new habit ;)
[14:06] <liar> the menu isn't the problem. its just annoying that the buttons aren't in the top when the window is not maximized
[14:10] <Stanley00> liar: ah, I understand now...
[14:23] <Tronic> After updating to 11.10 my network started to disconnect about once a day. The interface still has an IP but communication won't work for some reason until after I restart dhclient.
[14:24] <ikonia> why are peopel using beta software and surprised that it's not working
[14:24] <ikonia> Tronic: what are you using to configure your network card
[14:25] <Tronic> /etc/network/interfaces. networking restart has the same effect (fixing the connection).
[14:25] <ikonia> Tronic: can you pastebin it please ?
[14:25] <iceroot> Tronic: is ip based communication also not working? or only FQDN-based?
[14:25] <Tronic> I'm running a rather complex vlan + bridge setup but had no issues with on 11.04.
[14:25] <ikonia> Tronic: have you tried removing the entry from interface file and using the gnome-network-manager tool to configure it
[14:26] <Tronic> http://pastebin.com/nq6H4ezL
[14:27] <BluesKaj> i have odd flash problem ...flvs play ok on the desktop, but flash webcontent has no audio
[14:27] <Tronic> The post-up command also stopped working after upgrading to 11.10. Now I have to setup NAT manually every time networking is restarted.
[14:27] <ikonia> Tronic: which interface is not coming up
[14:28] <ikonia> BluesKaj: someone had an issue with an kde update yesterday, they purged the flash package and re-install and it worked, something had been overwritten in the kde update, is that possibly the same issue you are seeing
[14:28] <Tronic> ikonia: All interfaces come up as they should, and communications work for about 24 hours. After that all interfaces still are up but I won't get ping/tracepath responses from anywhere.
[14:28] <ikonia> Tronic: do the interfaces still have ip addresses ?
[14:29] <Tronic> *anywhere on the internet (interface br200)
[14:29] <Tronic> Haven't checked the routing table in this faulty state yet, I guess that would be the next thing to do once it breaks tomorrow.
[14:30] <ikonia> I'd advise looking at a.) the cards do they all have interfaces still b.) the routing c.) the lease file on the dhcp server d.) the syslog on the client
[14:30] <Tronic> ikonia: Yes, br200 still has the proper IP. After restarting networking it still has the same IP.
[14:30] <ikonia> Tronic: what about the virtual interfaces
[14:30] <BluesKaj> ikonia, I doubt it ...our internet was down yesterday for 14 hrs due to an accident  of some kind , so I didn'y get the update til today , and this web flash problem has been around since I installed a new m-audio sound card
[14:30] <ikonia> BluesKaj: ah ha,
[14:31] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I did say I was interested as to how you got on with that card, the Linux support used to be terrible, I'm wondering if this is still the issue with those cards
[14:31] <Tronic> ikonia: No IPs on them.
[14:32] <ikonia> Tronic: is that what you are exepecting ?
[14:32] <ikonia> BluesKaj: this is a poor test, but if you remove the card, does it come to life ?
[14:32] <Tronic> Yes, communication happens via br200.
[14:33] <ikonia> Tronic: so routing table and the syslog are your friends when it fails next time
[14:34] <Tronic> A wild guess is that STP on br102 is doing something funny because I have a couple of routers there.
[14:34] <BluesKaj> I love the sound quality . The card works well with drafon player (guess it uses phonon directly like amarok) , but vlc has to be used for didgital passthru for movir audio tracks like DD and DTS ...overall it works quite well if use file associations for different players , buty it would be nice if VLC could play everything
[14:35] <BluesKaj> scuse the spelling errors :)
[14:35] <Tronic> ... but br102 and br100 stay functional, haven't had issues with them. Too bad that I didn't figure out to check the routing table previously.
[14:35] <Tronic> Nothing interesting on syslog.
[14:56] <BluesKaj> ikonia, does what come to life ?  I've set the card driver as default in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf as per some tutorials I found ...the only problem i have is web flash audio
[14:57] <ikonia> BluesKaj: sorry, I meant if you remove the card does the problem go away when played through the default sound device
[15:00] <BluesKaj> yes , ikonia , but I bought this card for sound qulaity which the onboard lacks in spades
[15:02] <ikonia> BluesKaj: totally get that, I was just wondering the card was actually the issue with flash.
[15:02] <bjsnider> if you open the sound menu and check the applications tab when flash is playing something does it show that flash is playing audio?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> ikonia, oddly enough it plays flv files ok on the desktop with dragonplayer
[15:04] <ikonia> BluesKaj: so it,s just flash or through vlc
[15:06] <BluesKaj> ikonia, it's just flash web audio content that I can't find a work around
[15:06] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I wonder what the difference is in flash calling the sound card
[15:07] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, see question above
[15:08] <BluesKaj> if i "wget" downloadable flv files the audio is fine when played back with dragonplayer, bjsnider
[15:09] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, sound menu ?
[15:15] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, i have youtube running a video , the page source/media tab," type" shows no audio just "images, icons  and backgorund""
[15:18] <BluesKaj> well, I'm gonna purge flash , and reinstall..doybt if it'll help ,but what the heck
[15:40] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, you should be able to bring up the sound menu using the volume control button
[15:40] <bjsnider> i am assuming you're using kde
[15:43] <bjsnider> it may look something like this: http://media.photobucket.com/image/kde%20sound%20menu/imageuser/PulseAudio_-_Volume_Control.jpg
[15:43] <bjsnider> although i am not a kde user
[15:46] <bjsnider> jbicha, you're using gnome-shell right?
[15:48] <jbicha> bjsnider: yes some of the time & Unity some of the time
[15:49] <bjsnider> is xchat-gnome able to send notifications in gnome-shell? it's not working here
[15:51] <jbicha> bjsnider: I use irssi these days, but it looks like Oneiric has an older xchat-gnome
[15:56] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, i
[15:57] <BluesKaj> m using s/pdif out ,
[15:58] <gnomefreak> does this fix the screensaver bug? 3.2.0-0ubuntu1
[15:58] <BluesKaj> to an audio receiever digital input ...so the vol ctrl is maxed ar all times
[15:59]  * BluesKaj curses his bifocals
[16:05] <blqqq> hello, I have a problem with Realtek RTL8111/8168B NIC - the Internet is very slow. I tried to disable ipv6 and to install latest Realtek driver but it didn help. On win 7 there is no such problem with same settings. in #ubuntu told me that is a good idea to swich to Oneiric. So, can samebody tell me if that will solve the problem?
[16:06] <blqqq> there is a bug report here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/839393
[16:16] <blqqq> can somebody help?
[16:36] <l33_> hey
[16:37] <carli2> hi
[16:38] <carli2> the network manager in oneiric is not working
[16:38] <carli2> i want to share my internet connection
[16:38] <carli2> but when i open a cable network, the nm-applet connects, disconnects, connects, disconnects
[16:38] <carli2> the whole time
[16:38] <carli2> link-local is working. but link-local dosent have nat
[16:39] <carli2> what can i do?
[16:41] <carli2> the option "gemeinsam mit anderen rechnern" is not working
[16:45] <nmvictor> what is the variable ${XDG_CONFIG_HOME} set to in oneiric?
[16:47] <carli2> anyone here to help?
[16:49] <trism> nmvictor: should be unset by default, so it should default to $HOME/.config
[16:50] <nmvictor> trism: thanks
[16:50] <nmvictor> how come i am installing gnome-shell extensions and they are not working despite updating the metadata info to match my current gnome version/
[16:50] <nmvictor> ?
[16:51] <carli2> are there changes in the network manager?
[16:52] <nmvictor> what sort of changes?
[16:52] <nmvictor> carli2: ^
[16:52] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, you're using spdif out for everything?
[16:53] <FunnyLookinHat> Hmm - is it possible to install the sun java jre in 11.10 ?  I'm only seeing openjdk ( even with the partner repo )
[16:53] <carli2> nmvictor: "gemeinsam mit anderen rechnern" is not working. it works with older versions of ubuntu
[16:54] <nmvictor> i dont understand "gemeinsam mit anderen rechnern", i only know english
[16:54] <carli2> and why is everything localized...
[16:54] <carli2> it means "together with other computers" and is a network option
[16:57] <pythonsnake> Hello. I am using Oneiric, but during the upgrade Natty-Oneiric (do-release-upgrade -d ), after packages download, I had a network problem so no Internet. flashplugin download failed. Today, I retried to update (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade) but I get the following error: http://pastie.org/private/qx4zgaznikhhnjsmouacaa. Sorry if my english is bad, it's not my native language.
[16:58] <pythonsnake> Anyone have got any ideas of what's going on ?
[17:01] <ikonia> pythonsnake: do not cross post
[17:01] <ikonia> pythonsnake: you are asking for help in #kubuntu-devel -
[17:01] <pythonsnake> I am not.
[17:01] <ikonia> pythonsnake: you ARE
[17:01] <ikonia> pythonsnake: do not lie
[17:01] <pythonsnake> :S
[17:14] <bjsnider> jbicha, yes, notifications work with the latest xchat-gnome in debian
[17:15] <l33_> c u later
[17:33] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, the only outputs i have atm are spdif out and in , that's all I really need.
[17:37] <jbicha> bjsnider: do notifications work with the Oneiric version in Unity?
[17:37] <cjohnston> I'm getting a message upon booting that says: "Could not apply the stored configuration for monitrs. none of the selected modes were compatible with the possible modes: trying modes for CRTC 351"   any idea what's up with this? all of my icons and such are screwed up too.
[17:41] <benoliver999> Hey - how stable would you say 11.10 is right now, for day to day use?
[17:41] <ikonia> benoliver999: not
[17:42] <ikonia> benoliver999: it will be ready for day to day use when it's released
[17:42] <benoliver999> OK, thanks.
[17:42] <benoliver999> I can wait.
[17:42] <Lasers_> Hello. Could somebody paste the results of 'tasksel --list-tasks'  Please?  Thank you.
[17:49] <oskar-> hi, i have upgraded to oneiric. how can i reset the style of the window decorations?
[17:52] <Lasers_> oskar-: Could you please paste the results of this command 'tasksel --list-tasks' ?
[17:52] <bjsnider> jbicha, i guess that's the only issue that matters, but i don't use unity. since there's a plugin for it that's separate from the notification plugin, i'd say it works
[17:54] <oskar-> Lasers_, http://pastebin.com/isb2ARRz
[17:54] <Lasers_> oskar-: Thank you. (You were the only one active in this channel.) Now I can try Oneiric!
[17:57] <oskar-> ;)
[17:58] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, you are connecting to an external dac i suppose. is it able to recognize non dts/dd sound, like an mp3 or something?
[18:01] <thiebaude> 11.10 is stable for me :)
[18:06] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, exactly . an audio receiver ..this pc is our media-server .
[18:07] <thiebaude> hi BluesKaj
[18:25] <hasenj> why is google removed from the firefox search box?
[18:25] <bbya> I am trying to install HP LaserJet 2010 drivers in 11.10 beta2, but the HP Printer Driver Plug-in Installation utility says "error: Plug-in file does not match its digital signature. File may have been corrupted or altered. Error code:2" and just stops. What can I do?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> hasenj, there should be a FF update today that fixes the problem
[18:27] <hasenj> BluesKaj, cool thanks
[18:27] <hasenj> I thought it was on purpose ..
[18:27] <Saamm> After updating to latest unity 4.18, I cannot restore windows from unity launcher when I click on their icon...
[18:28] <BluesKaj> hasenj, yeah , I lost it yesterday , but i have it back after a FF update
[18:28] <hasenj> I'm doing an update now
[18:28] <hasenj> there's also a kernel update
[18:29] <hasenj> I hope it fixes my radeon problem .. but who knows
[18:29] <hasenj> anyway
[18:29] <hasenj> if I want to report a problem with the radeon open source drivers ..
[18:29] <hasenj> where should I go?
[18:29] <genii-around> bbya: https://answers.launchpad.net/hplip/+question/171380
[18:29] <jbicha> hasenj: run ubuntu-bug and choose Display
[18:30] <hasenj> jbicha, ok, but I don't have all the details and stuff, maybe it's better to have a discussion or something like that. I also want to see if other people reported anything like this, maybe it's a known issue
[18:33] <jbicha> hasenj: look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati then but if you want to report a bug ubuntu-bug will add the extra data to your bug report
[18:33] <hasenj> jbicha, thanks
[18:34] <hasenj> gotta restart now
[18:35] <bandit5432> does unity3d even work with the opensource drivers?
[18:35] <rww> depends on your card
[18:36] <bandit5432> i wish i had the 2.5 hours back from last night trying to help hansenj with his drivers
[18:36] <bbya> genii-around, thanks. I'll try that.
[18:37] <Saamm> anyone else having problem in restoring windows from unity launcher after updating to latest unity 4.18?
[18:37] <bandit5432> bug post on that i believe
[18:39] <hasenj> This seems to be the same bug I'm having: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/840140
[18:39] <bandit5432> Saamm, is this the problem you are having https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/850467
[18:40] <bbya> Saamm, i am new to unity, and clicking on the icons on the unity launcher does not toggle the maximize minimize action. Is that a bug?
[18:41] <bandit5432> looks like there might be a fix for the unity bug on the 29
[18:42] <bandit5432> see https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/4.20.0
[18:43] <bbya> genii-around, it worked!! :D ...Thanks a lot! Thank you.
[18:43] <genii-around> bbya: You're welcome.
[18:44] <Saamm> bandit5432, hi, this is a different bug...After minimizing a window, I cannot restore it on desktop by clicking on its icon on unity launcher
[18:44] <Saamm> bandit5432, the only way is to kill it and relaunch
[18:44] <bbya> Saamm, I have the same problem.
[18:45] <IdleOne> try alt-tab and see if that restores the window
[18:45] <ThomasBerends> Hi, how can I get Gnome 2 (classic desktop) @ Oneiric?
[18:45] <IdleOne> !notunity
[18:46] <bbya> IdleOne, alt-tab restores the window... but every once in a while, the restored window doesn't respond to mouse clicks.
[18:46] <ThomasBerends> IdleOne: Both aren't the original Gnome 2 :(
[18:46] <IdleOne> ThomasBerends: correct.
[18:46] <bandit5432> ThomasBerends,  you can install gnome and use fallback mode
[18:46] <IdleOne> gnome2 is dead/dying.
[18:46] <Saamm> bbya, yeah this is regression...everything was fine earlier
[18:46] <bbya> Saamm, how do I check my unity version?
[18:46] <bandit5432> ThomasBerends,  fallback mode is as close as you will get unless you move to xcfe
[18:47] <bbya> Saamm, I have unity 4.16.0
[18:48] <bandit5432> ThomasBerends, also to change things on the gnome panels now you have to hold down the alt key and click
[18:48] <bbya> Saamm, oh... I'll update and see if the problem persists
[18:48] <bandit5432> ThomasBerends,  see this link http://www.webupd8.org/2011/08/installing-using-classic-gnome-desktop.html
[18:48] <ThomasBerends> bandit5432 Hmm. then I choose for Unity.. waiting for Elementary Luna ;p
[18:49] <ThomasBerends> bandit5432 that didn't work..
[18:49] <bandit5432> ThomasBerends, i am in the same boat and not a happy camper
[18:50] <bandit5432> ThomasBerends,  working now on setting up everything with gnome3 under fallback mode and seeing if i can get close to gnome2 look and feal
[18:50] <ThomasBerends> bandit5432 Hard times.. also waiting for Elementary ?
[18:51] <Saamm> bbya, ok
[18:52] <bandit5432> ThomasBerends, dont know i installed the elementary ppa and tried marlin which i like just waiting right now
[18:53] <bbya> (btw, when I press ctrl+alt+D, all windows gets minimized except the Google Chrome 14 window.)
[18:53] <ThomasBerends> bandit5432 nice, you should check also: Scratch & Beatbox
[18:53] <ThomasBerends> text editor & music player
[18:54] <bandit5432> ThomasBerends,  i use leafpad from xcfe already i really like it as a text editor have been using it for 2 years now
[18:54] <bandit5432> will look into beatbox
[18:57] <bandit5432> ThomasBerends,  if you are a heavy nautilus user the new version is nothing like the old and you cannot change the icon in the toolbar unless you want to remove one of them
[18:58] <ThomasBerends> bandit-away i just want marlin (a)
[18:58] <bandit-away> ThomasBerends,  install it from the ppa it seems to work ok
[18:59] <ThomasBerends> bandit-away: first re-installing oneiric.. already messed it up :')
[18:59] <bandit-away> ThomasBerends,  i am only running it in a vm for now
[19:00] <bandit-away> ThomasBerends,  you probably already know how to install it but if not http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/elementary-file-browser-marlin-is-now.html
[19:00] <bandit-away> and now i am really away
[19:01] <bbya> Earlier I tried grabbing the screenshot of the active window using Alt+Printscreen, and it grabbed some portion outside the window (the shadow part)... this is how it looked http://i.imgur.com/04Znx.png ...is there a fix for this?
[19:01] <ThomasBerends> bandit-away: thanks, always handy (:
[19:03] <hasenj> um, in the bug reporting tool, it says: InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx"
[19:03] <hasenj> what is that all about?
[19:04] <hasenj> That's just the OS that came by default with the machine
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Usually means you originally installed 10.04 and upgraded
[19:05] <hasenj> hm, ok
[19:05] <hasenj> I'm upgrading from 11.04 though
[19:05] <hasenj> I hope this doesn't cause misunderstandings ..
[19:08] <charlie-tca> It won't
[19:08] <charlie-tca> Bug people and developers are very good at reading the reports, and the only way to Oneiric is upgrade from 11.04 or fresh installation
[19:09] <Tronic> Okay, network disconnect happened again. Nothing strange with routes but the default gateway would not answer to ping.
[19:09] <bbya> *I meant fix for the screenshot bug, and not the upgrade stuff _in_ the screenshot... Unintended pun :P
[19:10] <charlie-tca> bbya: the shadow is part of the window
[19:10] <bbya> charlie-tca, but it makes the screenshot look "ugly".
[19:10] <charlie-tca> sorry
[19:11] <bbya> charlie-tca, this didn't happen in 10.04
[19:12] <charlie-tca> it is still part of the window, so a screenshot of the window will include the shadow
[19:12] <charlie-tca> It did not happen in 10.04 because the windows did not shadows
[19:14] <ErickMoreno> Hi everyone
[19:14] <bbya> charlie-tca, but it surely is not a feature, is it?
[19:14] <ErickMoreno> someone noticed where we can adjust Unity settings in 11.10?
[19:14] <charlie-tca> I don't know of any way to turn them off to take a screenshot
[19:15] <ErickMoreno> compizconfig-settings-manager is installed but I can't run
[19:15] <ErickMoreno> or I did't found a way to run it
[19:17] <charlie-tca> ErickMoreno: it runs for me by opening a terminal and typing    ccsm
[19:17] <ErickMoreno> thanks charlie-tca
[19:17] <charlie-tca> you are welcome
[19:17] <ErickMoreno> why it is not under system config?
[19:18] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[19:19] <ErickMoreno> thank you anyway :)
[19:20] <hasenj> where can I find logs from this channel for yesterday?
[19:20] <genii-around> !irclogs
[19:20] <hasenj> genii-around, thanks!
[19:29] <hasenj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/859934
[19:32] <CyON> hai guys !! I have a ubuntu 11.10  installed on , one of my partition and now I want to install xp on my other partition..any one can help me !!
[19:40] <ikonia> CyON: what's stopping you installing XP ?
[19:41] <CyON> I need to install some softwares thats only work in windows
[19:42] <h00k> !dualboot | CyON
[19:43] <CyON> Thank guys I will check it out !!
[19:45] <ahel> error log from wubi : paste.ubuntu.com/697454/
[19:45] <CyON> hook : if I go for dualboot what about the boot mbr i will add new entry to grub ?
[19:45] <h00k> CyON: that's covered in that wiki, /Dualboot/Windows.  You'll have to recover the MBR from a live CD after you install Windows. Windows will take over the MBR on install.
[19:46] <h00k> CyON: also, note the 00s in h00k are zeroes, otherwise I don't get a hilight
[19:50] <IdleOne> h00k: has long fingers and when he chose his nick he meant to type hook.
[19:51] <ahel> error log from wubi : http://paste.ubuntu.com/697454/
[19:51] <ahel> any hints
[19:51] <ahel> about what should i do to install kubuntu?
[19:52] <ahel> i was trying to setup beta2 from cd mounted with alcohol (daily built iso)
[19:59] <jetsaredim> is there a way to cut down the number of workspaces?
[20:01] <jetsaredim> is that more a gnome question or ubuntu specific
[20:01] <jetsaredim> i can never tell if something is specific to ubuntu or not
[20:04] <Tophan> jetsaredim: install gnome3
[20:04] <Tophan> :)
[20:04] <jetsaredim> does anyone even have a clue as to what i'm talking about?
[20:04] <jetsaredim> well - i thought gnome 3 wasn't totally supported
[20:05] <jetsaredim> last i heard it could cause your computer to implode
[20:05] <Tophan> oh, we are on ubuntu+1
[20:05] <Tophan> yeah, I use 11.10
[20:05] <Tophan> and I use gnome3
[20:05] <Tophan> it works great
[20:05] <jetsaredim> for realz?
[20:05] <rww> GNOME 3 is supported on oneiric. GNOME 3 is not supported on 11.04.
[20:05] <rww> oneiric in fact uses GNOME 3 with Unity by default
[20:05] <jetsaredim> ah - maybe that's what i was thinking
[20:06] <jetsaredim> ic
[20:06] <Fen-> i like gnome3
[20:06] <Fen-> :>
[20:06] <jetsaredim> does it make that much of a difference?
[20:06] <Tophan> yes!
[20:06] <jetsaredim> i mean - i could take or leave the unity crap
[20:06] <jetsaredim> doesn't bother me but i'm not terribly fond of it
[20:07] <Mamarok> I have a very strange problem:
[20:08] <jetsaredim> re gnome3 - do i need to sign away my firstborn or something or is there a guide?
[20:08] <Tophan> jetsaredim: sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[20:08] <Tophan> thats it
[20:08] <jetsaredim> o - for realz?
[20:08] <ikonia> Mamarok: now I'm interested
[20:08] <Tophan> log out
[20:08] <jetsaredim> and then it just shows up in the login menu?
[20:08] <h00k> jetsaredim: Gnome 3 is already in use by Oneiric by default.
[20:08] <Tophan> change session
[20:08] <Tophan> log in
[20:09] <Tophan> I'm in love with gnome3
[20:09] <jetsaredim> what are the other differences besides no stupid unity bar?
[20:09] <Mamarok> on every apt-get update run the packages install, then it goes to Setting up friendly-recovery and stays there for ages, the starts grub.cfg and that takes about 20 hours to complete
[20:09] <Tophan> gnome3.com
[20:09] <Tophan> and try for yourself
[20:09] <Tophan> you will see
[20:10] <Tophan> unity stays
[20:10] <Tophan> you can choose unity or gnome-shell at login
[20:10] <Mamarok> new laptop, dual boot installation, everything worked fine until about 3-4 days back
[20:10] <Mamarok> ikonia: ^
[20:10] <jetsaredim> Tophan: is this what fedora uses?
[20:10] <Tophan> idk
[20:10] <ikonia> Mamarok: what happened ?
[20:10] <jetsaredim> i had installed that in a vm and thought it crap
[20:10] <jetsaredim> maybe this is slightly different
[20:10] <ikonia> Mamarok: what is friendly-recovery ?
[20:11] <h00k> jetsaredim: let me clarify. Gnome3 is in use by default. Gnome-shell is what Tophan is referring to, which is *still* gnome3, just uses gnome-shell and not unity.
[20:11] <Mamarok> ikonia: well, that I really don?t know, I didn't install or remove anything, just updates
[20:11] <jetsaredim> right
[20:11] <rww> !notunity
[20:11] <wenexx> hey
[20:11] <Mamarok> ikonia: apparently a package that allows easier recovery for a system, but I have never recovered anything here
[20:11] <bilygates> hey guys, any idea why compiz doesn't work in gnome fallback mode on startup? it works after "compiz --replace" in a terminal, though.
[20:11] <jetsaredim> so gnome-panel might be what i'm after
[20:11] <ikonia> Mamarok: sounds a mess,
[20:11] <jetsaredim> interesting
[20:12] <jetsaredim> i just don't want to divert too far from the main install
[20:12] <ikonia> Mamarok: I wonder if it failed to setup on install, so is trying to do that now
[20:12] <Mamarok> ikonia: well, I let it run through once over night, and it again does the same thing over and over again
[20:12] <ikonia> Mamarok: ok, so that theory is out the window
[20:12] <rww> !notunity =~ s/^/Ubuntu Oneiric uses GNOME 3 with the Unity shell by default. /
[20:13] <rww> !notunity-#ubuntu+1 =~ s/^/Ubuntu Oneiric uses GNOME 3 with the Unity shell by default. /
[20:13] <Mamarok> it seems to rewrite the grub menu in a loop, but that menu is the same since the start with beta1
[20:13] <rww> !notunity-#ubuntu+1 s/Unity/!Unity/
[20:13] <rww> !notunity-#ubuntu+1 =~ s/Unity/!Unity/
[20:13]  * rww goes to eat food before he breaks something
[20:13] <h00k> !notunity
[20:13] <rww> what.
[20:13] <rww> freaking bot
[20:13] <h00k> O.O
[20:13] <h00k> shoud not...
[20:14] <rww> makes sense, is ridiculous anyway
[20:14] <wenexx> hey there! who likes to hear some critic to oneiric or where can I post some
[20:14] <rww> !notunity-#ubuntu+1 =~ s/.*<reply>/<reply> Ubuntu Oneiric uses GNOME 3 with the !Unity shell by default./
[20:14] <rww> !notunity
[20:14] <Tophan> go eat
[20:14] <ikonia> wenexx: make a blog up
[20:14] <h00k> now it's fixed.
[20:15] <rww> h00k: Encyclopedia treats <reply> as part of the factoid for regex, apparently >.>
[20:15] <Pici> I thought I fixed that already.
[20:15] <h00k> rww: that's funny
[20:15] <wenexx> what? a blog? you are kidding me! I don't have enough problems with oneiric to fill a page
[20:16] <Pici> wenexx: Have you considered filing bugs?
[20:16] <charlie-tca> Then write one about how good it is!
[20:16] <Tophan> ^
[20:16] <ikonia> wenexx: bascially, if you have a bug log it, if not, it's not worth listening to you moan
[20:17] <ahel> any hints for my log?
[20:18] <wenexx> its just the new unity dash. the light style is nice but if i have a light background, the font/writing is not readable
[20:18] <wenexx> I thinks thats no bug
[20:18] <Mamarok> ikonia: I will try removing that package I guess it is incompatible with grub
[20:18] <ikonia> Mamarok: not a bad idea, just a sad / harsh move
[20:19] <Mamarok> no idea where that comes from though, I don't remember having installed it
[20:29] <wenexx> so who can I tell this, even I think a lot of people did it before...
[20:48] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[20:49] <wenexx> evening
[20:53] <antibody> hi lightdm and gdm just can't work after login here's my pastebin
[20:53] <antibody> http://pastebin.com/TrgLGTGE
[20:53] <antibody> can someone help me?
[21:13] <ahel> wubi try to download the iso even if it's mounted by power iso!
[21:13] <ahel> what should i do?
[21:28] <zonkers> where can i find xulrunner 1.9.2 for oneric?
[21:28] <hasen> I'm not logged in from a live usb
[21:29] <hasen> works fine on my laptop
[21:29] <hasen> unity 3d and all that
[21:29] <hasen> but .. the system on the laptop itself fails on booting
[21:30] <hasen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/859934
[21:30] <hasen> before booting from usb, I let the system boot such that it fails
[21:30] <hasen> then booted from the live-usb
[21:31] <hasen> so that the logs stay intact ..
[21:31] <hasen> though .. I don't which log files are relevant ..
[21:32] <jbicha> zonkers: you need to use firefox-dev
[21:33] <zonkers> thanks
[21:33] <jbicha> because xulrunner 1.9.2 corresponds with firefox-3.6 which we don't ship in Ubuntu 11.04+
[21:37] <zonkers> would be nice for a couch db 1.1.0 package
[21:54] <wenexx> ok isee my question was too hard ;-) see you tomorow good night and all teh best
[21:55] <zonkers> do you think this will make oneric  Bug #817656
[22:50] <Koheleth> +1 is great, thanks sending back all the reports I can :) thanks for a great product
[22:50] <Koheleth> not asking for admin pasword at times tho, is that normal and in hand?
[22:51] <jbicha> Koheleth: probably
[22:52] <Koheleth> been like it since the last 3 major updates
[22:52] <Koheleth> cant report it as it does not come up as a problem
[22:54] <jbicha> Koheleth: sudo remembers that you've authenticated as admin for several minutes, if you want to force it to forget run sudo -k
[22:54] <Koheleth> irc needs fixing tho
[22:54] <Koheleth> jbicha: ty, maybe thats why
[22:56] <Koheleth> jbicha: remembering the session on Bunt has never worked that well
[22:56] <Koheleth> must be difficult
[23:01] <Koheleth> btw, will you please make icons smaller as default
[23:02] <Koheleth> I know I can change it unity in compiz area but it crashes and I need to reboot
[23:10] <Koheleth> is there a ubuntu ethics room somewhere?
[23:12] <FernandoMiguel> not that I think off
[23:12] <FernandoMiguel> there #ubuntu-ops
[23:13] <Koheleth> yeah she is on ubuntu-women
[23:13] <Koheleth> Google is ok at times
[23:14] <Koheleth> watch the full wrath come lol
[23:14] <ikonia> Koheleth: do you have an ubuntu+1 issue to disucss or brag about trolling ?
[23:14] <FernandoMiguel> oh and #ubuntu-council
[23:14] <Koheleth> trolling?
[23:15] <rww> FernandoMiguel: perhaps you mean #ubuntu-irc-council?
[23:15] <ikonia> Koheleth: keep to 11.10 disucssion in this channel only, please.
[23:15] <FernandoMiguel> rww: maybe
[23:15] <Koheleth> here we go, get it off your chest love
[23:15] <ikonia> Koheleth: please just keep to the topic.
[23:15] <Koheleth> you stop too eh
[23:15]  * FernandoMiguel headdesk
[23:27] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, you up for testing some cd burning?
[23:27] <bjsnider> ripping i mean, not burning
[23:28] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: no
[23:28] <FernandoMiguel> no cd drive
[23:29] <bjsnider> i can see how that would be a problem, yes
[23:36] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: :)
[23:58] <bp0> in beta2 + virtualbox, switching to virtual terminal (host+f1) and text mode is unusable


[00:05] <TheMuso> Yeah mono and a11y do not mix too well.
[00:06] <TheMuso> I wish we didn't rely on mono at all.
[06:42] <AlanBell> I don't think that had anything to do with mono+a11y as a combination, banshee just crashes hard when it crashes
[08:28] <AlanBell> release notes article pretty much done
[08:58] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/?p=128&shareadraft=4e96a83139805
[13:39] <AlanBell> Pendulum: published and on the planet
[13:42] <Pendulum> :)
[13:47] <Pendulum> should e-mail to our list and probably post to forums, too
[13:47] <Pendulum> do you want to do one and I'll do the other
[13:48] <Pendulum> ?
[13:48] <AlanBell> I have to pop out now
[13:48] <AlanBell> you get to claim the credit for all of it :)
[13:49] <Pendulum> hah
[13:52]  * Pendulum copies Ubuntu News on the e-mail
[14:04] <Pendulum> If anyone wants to RT http://twitter.com/#!/colona13/status/124485268643381250
[16:42] <webczat> Hello.
[16:43] <webczat> Are there many serious bugs I could find in the new ubuntu 11.10 regarding accessibility?
[16:51] <webczat> I mean I heart about some thunderbird crashing bugs, some gedit/etc bugs...
[16:53] <maco> webczat: the release notes are on ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com
[17:06]  * webczat sees
[17:06] <webczat> Why unyty3d is not accessible?
[17:07] <webczat> s/unity
[17:14] <webczat> Also, the inaccessibility of lightdm is a problem...
[17:41] <webczat> Is this a big problem if you have multiple accounts?
[17:43] <apinheiro> webczat, unity3d accessibility support for orca is work in progress
[17:43] <apinheiro> I was not able to finish the work before feature freeze
[17:43] <apinheiro> so it was not included
[17:43] <apinheiro> I created a ppa that include those branches:
[17:44] <apinheiro> https://launchpad.net/~apinheiro/+archive/unity-extra-a11y
[17:44] <webczat> yeah. what about the login manager?
[17:46] <apinheiro> webczat, sorry, I'm not a lightdm developer,  but I think that TheMuso were talking with them
[17:46] <apinheiro> not sure if gdm is an option anyway
[17:47] <webczat> the main problem is that if someone begins with linux, it'll seem somewhat strange that the login manager and unity 3d doesn't talk. is it required that we wait for all of this until ubuntu 12.04?
[17:47] <apinheiro> webczat, afaik, gdm is accessible
[17:47] <apinheiro> or was accessible at least, if it is not accessible now it is a regression
[17:48] <webczat> gdm is. but it isn't the default, unless I saw something wrong...
[17:50] <apinheiro> webczat, as I said, AFAIK, lightdm developers were working on a11y
[17:50] <apinheiro> so try to ask them
[17:51] <webczat> hmm where?
[17:51] <webczat> I mean is there any irc method of asking them?
[17:56] <webczat> also, which is the default? unity 2d or unity 3d? I mean when my graphic card supports 3d but i've enabled orca.
[17:57] <SeaJay> According to Alan's release notes, if you enable Orca during the install then the default desktop will be Unity 2D.
[18:00] <webczat> mhm
[18:12] <SeaJay> Well, that's how I read http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/oneiric-ocelot/.
[18:19] <webczat> Give me the exact part of the documnent that says this. I have problems with reading this, I go down using down arrows, then I hear "grayed" and it jumps to the top, so I probably missed some parts
[18:22] <webczat> SeaJay: ?
[18:23] <SeaJay> Ah, OK, let me see if I can cut it and paste it in here.
[18:25] <SeaJay> I saw the following on that page:
[18:26] <SeaJay>  This is the first release where the default desktop environment for the accessibility install profiles is Unity 2D, this does change the screen layout for everyone, including screen reader users, ....
[18:26] <SeaJay> I think there's more elsewhere on the page, so let me keep looking.
[18:28] <webczat> oh. but what do you do if someone installed the system without an accessibility profile? I heart the login screen is not accessible yet/orca doesn't start.
[18:29] <webczat> and if unity3d is the default for standard profiles...
[18:30] <maco> you might need help getting it setup then :-/
[18:30] <SeaJay> I found more on this, but I'm having trouble cutting and pasting it. Give me a second.
[18:30] <maco> AlanBell: did you see the email on the list a moment ago?
[18:31] <webczat> maco: yeah, I know. but does this orca not starting thing mean that it doesn't start when it's directed to start, or it doesn't have some options set that I can set?
[18:32] <webczat> I mean this at lightdm screen
[18:33] <webczat> I'm asking so many questions because I'm currently somewhat... afraid of installing 11.10.
[18:34] <maco> im not sure. i havent tried using it yet :-/
[18:35] <maco> TheMuso: you around?
[18:35] <maco> well and also i dont normally use a screen reader. i could try an install in a vm...
[18:35] <webczat> mhm
[18:36] <maco> AlanBell & TheMuso seem most likely to know the answer, webczat
[18:36]  * webczat should wait for them
[18:36] <webczat> but it's 20:36 here
[18:36] <webczat> so it depends on their timezone/worktime/etc
[18:37] <maco> AlanBell is a brit. TheMuso is an aussie
[18:37] <webczat> Yeah.
[18:38] <SeaJay> Sorry, it took so long. Here's what else it says on that article:
[18:39] <SeaJay> Orca can’t read what is going on with Unity3d. By  default if you install using the screen reader you will boot into the  2d desktop. At present the 3d desktop is not accessible, however there  is code to make this work and we expect this to be made available in a  PPA for 11.10 and be in by default in 12.04 LTS. Orca does not run during the lightdm window  manager right now, this will be fixed in an update, but as of release  the log
[18:39] <SeaJay> BTW, I've tried to install this once into VMware Player, but no sound at all yet, but I need to spend a bit more time with it.
[18:42] <maco> the ppa is here: <apinheiro> https://launchpad.net/~apinheiro/+archive/unity-extra-a11y
[18:46] <webczat> apinheiro told me about the ppa.
[18:59]  * AlanBell is in a pub
[19:01] <webczat> AlanBell: I need some info about lightdm accessibility.
[19:34] <SeaJay> Hmm, I'm trying to install 11.10 into a VMware Player virtual machine, but it looks like VMware Player is using Easy Install, so I'm wondering if I'm missing the opportunity to install with the accessibility profile.
[19:35] <SeaJay> I don't see how to install Ubuntu without using Easy Install.
[19:36] <SeaJay> Hmm, I guess I need to scrounge around the VMware Player documentation a bit.
[20:05] <webczat> SeaJay: you need to virtually insert the iso image.
[20:14] <SeaJay> webczat: In the first screen of the new VM wizzard, I select install from ISO and then point it at the Ubuntu 11.10 ISO file I've downloaded.
[20:15] <SeaJay> webczat: Are you saying I should select install later or install from CD and then somehow point the virtual CD to the ISO image?
[20:57] <webczat> SeaJay: yeah, install later
[22:32] <TheMuso> Thanks for the wonderful release notes guys.
[22:40] <SeaJay> webczat: Thanks for the tip! I've got Oneric installing now in my VM. I had to do the install later option, make sure the sound card was powered up at start up and then raise the volume of the virtual machine. Once I did that Orca came right up and I had no problems with Ubiquity, at least not so far!
[23:50] <Pendulum> TheMuso: thank you for being awesome about getting stuff in to the release!
[23:51] <TheMuso> Pendulum: No problem, I already have a list of things that need doing for Precise.
[23:51] <TheMuso> That are screen reader related anyways.
[23:51] <Pendulum> TheMuso: cool. It turns out I will be at UDS after all, btw
[23:52] <Pendulum> maybe we can sit down and chat about stuff?
[23:52] <maco> TheMuso: one time, agateau gave a "how to use git" lesson at uds. could you maybe give a "how to be more accessible" session at uds this time? skaet and cjwatson have both told me they want to help but dont know how any of it works. i told them i attempt to flounder through ubiquity's a11y but am also pretty clueless
[23:52] <TheMuso> Sweeet!
[23:52] <Pendulum> I think AlanBell had talked to someone about having a "this is how Orca works" thing at UDS
[23:53] <Pendulum> but I don't know if anything actually started to get worked on
[23:53] <TheMuso> maco: I guess, I don't quite know the finer details myself, but I guess I could give an overview, because documentatino is rather scarce.
[23:53] <Pendulum> (it was one of the Canonical folks who goes to some of the London LoCo things)
[23:54] <maco> TheMuso: scarce and crappy :P
[23:54] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[23:54] <TheMuso> If most people use glade, glade has a11y options. I'll need to see what options it offers.
[23:55] <maco> is replacing chunks of a UI with webkit still bad?
[23:55] <maco> that might be a thing to mention if so
[23:55] <maco> also how to make things tabbable, since you cant tab to the release notes on ubiquity's first page
[23:56] <maco> well glade does offer that, but maybe hinting that it might be important for links to be able to have focus so people can do that...
[23:56] <Pendulum> does anyone know if there is a general bug about the Compiz issues with the launcher?
[23:57] <Pendulum> I know we've had people talk about it with regards to the magnifier
[23:57] <Pendulum> but talking to joanie last week, she said they'd established that it was all compiz plug-ins, not specific to a11y plug-ins
[23:57] <TheMuso> Ah I don't know how to do that.
[23:57] <TheMuso> the tab stuff
[23:57] <Pendulum> and I'm planning on taking that one up with the Unity team this cycle ;-)
[23:58] <TheMuso> As for Webkit, well webkit is getting more accessible all the time, to the point where if the webkit widget has caret browsing enabled, you should be able to cursor through the text like any text document. This was enabled for the ubiquity slide show, but doesn't work for some reason. Its on my list for P.
[23:59] <maco> TheMuso: i think just being able to have focus on the label is all thats needed. its just some people decide that ALL labels should lack focus because nobody ever tabs to labels only to buttons
[23:59] <TheMuso> maco: Interesting thought. A lot of GNOME dialogs that I've seen have focusable labels, so that makes sense.


[12:03] <om26er> cyphermox, hey! nm-applet seems to have fixed. no more memleak
[12:37] <veger> I send an upstream report for bug #562277, as this concludes our bussiness with this bug: could someone set it to Triaged?
[12:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 562277 in plasma-widget-networkmanagement "Should have a button to pop up information about current connection" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/562277
[12:39] <hggdh> veger: done, thank you
[13:37] <cyphermox> om26er: actually, there are still some we found and plugged upstream ;)
[19:51] <bcurtiswx> have a good weekend everyone
[21:38] <grmls> hi
[21:52] <dlentz> grmls, hi (this channel doesn't have a lot of activity)
[21:52] <grmls> hi dlentz, i know ;)
[21:53] <Nafallo> !ping
[21:53] <ubot2`> another contentless ping... sigh...
[21:54] <Nafallo> ah, it's here :-)
[21:55] <grmls> hi Nafallo
[21:55] <Nafallo> hi
[21:55] <dlentz> !ping
[21:55] <ubot2`> another contentless ping... sigh...
[21:56] <dlentz> sorry, i had to do it to complete the cycle
[22:10] <macer1> Hello there ;D
[22:10]  * greg-g waves
[22:10] <macer1> Can anyone give some priority to Bug #946736? I really want it fixed.
[22:10] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 946736 in openjdk-6 "missing openjdk-6-java.desktop file" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/946736
[22:15] <macer1> hm, anyone?
[22:16] <dlentz> macer1, it has to be someone with full bug control access, it may take a little while for someone to respond
[22:17] <macer1> OK, thanks. I can only edit the status/title but not the priority :P


[00:30] <jono> cprofitt, congrats on your CC position!
[00:33] <cjohnston> congrats cprofitt
[00:33] <cjohnston> just read that
[00:35] <cprofitt> thanks cjohnston
[00:36] <cjohnston> Nice to see you step down from the LC as well. :-)
[00:36]  * cprofitt nods
[00:36] <cjohnston> (not that you being on the LC was a bad thing)
[00:36] <cprofitt> I truly believe that it is the right thing to do
[00:36] <cjohnston> I agree
[00:36] <cprofitt> as I stated at UDS
[00:37] <bkerensa> congrats cprofitt
[00:37] <cprofitt> thanks bkerensa
[00:51] <nigelb> Congrats cprofitt :)
[00:53] <bkerensa> cprofitt: Does that mean your going to help fix the bug that akgraner mentioned in her blog post? :P
[00:54] <cprofitt> I am not sure what stage that is at bkerensa - I do know it is being looked at
[00:54] <cprofitt> and has been under discussion
[00:55] <akgraner> I'm still working on it :-)
[00:56] <cprofitt> that reminds me I still have to finish one of the things I was working on too...
[00:56] <cprofitt> gotta get that sent out
[01:01] <bkerensa> :) So pleia2 was able to share a interesting fact on UDS which likely should have been included for those who got sponsorship e-mails basically there is a room deposit
[01:02] <bkerensa> and in this case the marriott charges $50xnight up front and holds it for 10 business days so $300
[01:03] <bkerensa> I guess this was a issue at one point in the past because it had not been announced and one or more people showed up and were not prepared to pony up $300 on a credit card
[01:04] <cprofitt> bkerensa: for this upcoming UDS or previous ones?
[01:06] <mhall119> bkerensa: what's up?
[01:11] <bkerensa> cprofitt: For this one and apparently previous ones
[01:11] <bkerensa> cprofitt: philipballew and I are sending a e-mail out to address it were CC'ing Comm Council
[01:13] <cjohnston> CC doesnt really have anything to do with it
[01:14] <cjohnston> That would be something to address with Canonical
[01:14] <bkerensa> cjohnston: ok
[01:21] <cprofitt> bkerensa: the deposit is refunded after your room is not destroyed right?
[01:22] <cjohnston> normally they make you put a card on hold...
[01:23] <cjohnston> AFAIK every hotel does this
[01:23] <akgraner> the way that works is for atm cards it can be held by your bank for up to 10 days
[01:23] <akgraner> that's a policy for almost *all* hotels
[01:23] <akgraner> for CC cards it only takes about 3 business days to see the funds
[01:24] <akgraner> the hotel doesn't hold the money for 10 days - they release with 24 hours most of the time  - or the next business day following your checkout
[01:26] <akgraner> for the case of events like uds or anything else where you have roommates and the room charge and tax goes to the master folio - the incidentals (phone, movie, mini bar etc) are not covered by Canonical
[01:26] <akgraner> or the sponsoring agency
[01:26] <akgraner> that's hotel policy
[01:26] <cjohnston> bkerensa: ^
[01:26] <bkerensa> akgraner: Yeah... I just wanted to bring it up because it was not announced and I guess in the past this has been a problem
[01:27] <bkerensa> with some sponsored attendees not having the money to cover it
[01:28] <akgraner> bkerensa, then in my mind - an email should go to those being sponsored explaining it, then if someone can't do that email Marianna explaining the situation so it can be worked out on a case by case basis
[01:29] <akgraner> I wouldn't make a big deal about it - but instead say - hey jono can you bring this to Marianna's attention please
[01:37] <cjohnston> I guess I would think it would be prudent of the attendee to understand the policy of the hotel and not Marianna's job to figure it out and explain it to us
[01:44] <nigelb> I don't know what you mean by "it's been a problem"
[01:44] <nigelb> you just need to talk to marianna or someone at the Hotel.
[01:45] <cjohnston> nigelb: because the attendee doesn't have the ability to cover it
[01:46] <nigelb> cjohnston: I've seen marianna smootht that over with hotel staff.
[01:47] <cjohnston> Again I would think that attendees would consider that all hotel/flight rules apply
[02:13] <cprofitt> when I have done it -- it does not show as a charge...
[02:14] <cprofitt> I would have to go back and take a look though
[04:30] <nigelb> YEah, its's "blocked"
[05:05] <jokerdino> well, i have finished writing the post...
[05:05] <jokerdino> http://www.2buntu.com/2012/03/09/spreading-the-word-about-spreadubuntu-org/
[07:17] <czajkowski> morning
[07:19] <czajkowski> bkerensa: the CC has nothing to do with the sponsorship of UDS, it goes via Canonical and Marianna who does the organising of it
[11:02] <cjohnston> uggh
[11:03] <czajkowski> cjohnston: sore head?
[11:03] <cjohnston> no, just awake
[15:09] <snap-l> jcastro: Happy Birthday
[15:21] <cjohnston> happy birthday jcastro
[15:25] <nothingspecial> for he's a jolly good fellow :D
[15:37] <M0hi> Happy Birthday jcastro :]
[16:52] <cjohnston> czajkowski: /26
[16:52] <cjohnston> sorry czajkowski
[16:52] <s-fox> Hello :)
[16:59] <cjohnston> since I did ping you.. czajkowski, since a post was made to planet about the changes to LP, would it maybe be possible to get one saying they have been postponed  since not everyone is on that ML
[17:00] <czajkowski> cjohnston: I posed the launchpad-dev link which is public, the post was up for all of 4 mins
[17:00] <M0hi> hello s-fox :]
[17:01] <cjohnston> right.. but people who only read planet saw it on planet and never saw an update AFAIK
[17:03] <czajkowski> I';ll ask Monday
[17:03] <cjohnston> ty
[17:03] <czajkowski> but I suspect the answer will be read lp-dev as thats where the info is and explainations of stuff is
[17:04] <czajkowski> and where people are to comment
[17:04] <cjohnston> I understand that.. but not everyone is on lp-devs, nor would know to go there to look for it.. just an announcement that its been postponed would be good IMO
[17:05] <czajkowski> fine, will ask.
[17:05] <czajkowski> but for now its the weekend and not looking at anything lp releated as thats work.
[17:05] <czajkowski> tis the weekend so rugby and ubuntu work now
[17:05] <cjohnston> k
[17:46] <s-fox> brb
[17:50] <s-fox> o/
[22:08] <bkerensa> Happy Birthday jcastro
[22:49]  * popey notes from latitude that jcastro is enjoying his birthday at the beach!
[22:51] <bkerensa> jcastro: My birthday present to you will be to make a attempt at a Subway juju charm... No promises though :P