[01:26] <kingargon> is there arm developement chan on freenode?
[01:28] <prpplague> kingargon: literally hundreds
[01:28] <prpplague> kingargon: but you generally need to know what you are wanting to develop on arm
[01:43] <kingargon> well its the arm cortex m3 processor
[01:43] <kingargon> im just a beginner so i want to learn the basics
[01:44] <prpplague> kingargon: thats more in the realm of microcontrollers
[01:45] <prpplague> kingargon: there is a microcontroller channel as well as a number of support channels like #sparkfun
[01:45] <kingargon> cool, ill check out sparkfun i totally forgot they were on irc
[01:45] <kingargon> thanks!
[03:17] <cb88> I am having trouble installing ubuntu on the pandaboard I have here. I am using a 16Gb card and also an 8 Gb card... it boots up fine initially and after the resize occurs it reboots and either hangs or dumps me to the intiramfs
[03:17] <cb88> I believe it only dumps me to initramfs if the ext3 filesystem isn't clean
[03:18] <cb88> I mounted the card and the logs in /var/log seem to indicate io errors
[03:18] <cb88> but there isn't acutally anything wrong with the card
[11:18] <persia> ogra_, So, I got a Dynabook AZ: Do we have a wiki page for putting Ubuntu on it?
[11:18] <ogra_> not yet
[11:19] <ogra_> its a bit scattered atm
[11:19] <persia> Well, I don't mind fixing that: please point me at some good places.
[11:19] <persia> I'll try for something like the Archos 10.1 or Nokia N900 pages.
[11:20] <ogra_> first of all its hard to get the flash tool, nvidia shot down their linux supoport
[11:20]  * persia should probably do a page for the Netwalker, but keeps being discouraged by the impossible-to-upstream kernel
[11:20] <persia> Is there a mirror somewhere?
[11:20] <ogra_> not that i know of, let me put it somewhere for you
[11:21] <persia> Is it licensed in a way that it can be distributed (like stuck on people.ubuntu.com or something)?
[11:22] <ogra_> i dont think so :(
[11:23] <ogra_> http://www.grawert.net/nvflash.tgz
[11:23] <ogra_> i havent written an installer script yet or some such, so itzs a bit more complex than it should be
[11:23] <persia> Received.
[11:24] <ogra_> removed :)
[11:24] <ogra_> natty images are at http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/tegra/2.6.37/
[11:24] <ogra_> pull the two img files and the non SD tarball
[11:25] <persia> I want SD and non-SD image files?
[11:25] <ogra_> ah, well, just pull the SD one
[11:26] <ogra_> the first boot to copy over the rootfs to internal mmc needs to happen from SD
[11:26] <persia> So, SD image file, non-SD tarball?
[11:26] <ogra_> i plan to script all that
[11:26] <ogra_> right
[11:33] <ogra_> persia, once you have the files, untar nvflash ... attach a mini usb cable to the dynabook, hold down ctrl+esc to get into flash mode
[11:33] <ogra_> (teh backlight stays off, power LED is on )
[11:34] <ogra_> go to the nvflash dir ...
[11:35] <ogra_> sudo LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./nvflash --bl ./fastboot.bin --download 6 <path to SD img file>
[11:36] <ogra_> if you want to do backups before: sudo LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./nvflash --bl ./fastboot.bin --read 5 tegra_partition_6.bin --go
[11:36] <ogra_> eerr
[11:36] <ogra_> that should be read 6 indeed
[11:36] <persia> OK.  That will be a bit: I'm still doing the first-time-charge thing to train the battery (and expect to do that for at least a few hours)
[11:36] <ogra_> k
[11:36] <ogra_> then i'll go back to gardening :)
[11:37] <persia> Once I replace partition 6, should it just boot?
[11:37] <ogra_> you need to change /boot/bootimg.cfg to the right root= and run sudo flash-kernel
[11:37] <persia> Now I'm confused.
[11:38] <ogra_> you want to format mmcblk0p7
[11:38] <ogra_> part 6 only contains kernel and initrd
[11:38] <persia> So, I have a never-booted device.  I replace the .img file with the one you distribute.
[11:38] <persia> Then I boot into that initrd, and run flash-kernel?
[11:38] <ogra_> the SD image by default looks at the first part on an SD card
[11:39] <ogra_> you unpack the tarball to that sd ... copy the tarball into it too ... set a root pw or remove the passwd bit from /etc/shadow, boot into the SD and foarmat/untar the rootfs to mmcblk0p7
[11:39] <ogra_> as i said, i plan to script all that in an initrd script
[11:40] <ogra_> currently its all manual
[11:40] <persia> OK.  What filesystems do I want for the SD and mmcblk0p7>
[11:40] <ogra_> i would recommend ext4 btw
[11:40] <ogra_> snap :)
[11:40] <ogra_> SD doesnt matter, you throw it away once you have installed to mmc
[11:40] <persia> So, to recap:
[11:41] <ogra_> my scripted version will essentially do the same i will do for the build cluster
[11:41] <persia> 1) nvflash partition 6 with the new kernel/initrd
[11:41] <ogra_> right
[11:41] <persia> 2) untar tarball onto SD and copy tarball into SD
[11:41]  * ogra_ nods
[11:41] <persia> 3) boot device holding Ctrl+Esc, which launches environment on SD.
[11:41] <ogra_> no
[11:42] <ogra_> that would have been 0
[11:42] <persia> 4) In that environment, untar rootfs into mmcblk0p7
[11:42] <ogra_> the device needs to be in flash mode before nvflash
[11:42] <persia> Ah, OK.
[11:42] <persia> So, 3) boot device normally, launching environment from SD.
[11:42] <ogra_> yeah
[11:42] <persia> 5) In that environment, run flash-kernel
[11:42] <ogra_> no
[11:42] <persia> 6) shut down, remove SD, reboot
[11:43] <ogra_> 3) modify /etc/shadow on the SD, *then* boot device normally, launching environment from SD.
[11:43] <ogra_> there is no user :)
[11:43] <ogra_> so allow root to log in
[11:45] <persia> OK.  And 4,5,6?
[11:46] <ogra_> 4) In that environment, untar rootfs into mmcblk0p7
[11:46] <ogra_> 5) In that environment, run flash-kernel after modifying the cfg file
[11:46] <ogra_> reboot ...
[11:46] <persia> What do you need to do to the cfg file?
[11:47] <ogra_> point root= to mmcblk0p7
[11:47] <ogra_> oh, wait
[11:47] <ogra_> you dont :)
[11:47] <ogra_> thats only on the SD tarball
[11:47] <ogra_> your cfg should be fine OOTB
[11:48] <ogra_> so just flash-kernel
[11:48] <persia> Ah, good.  I'll let you know how it goes (and put up the wiki page).
[11:48] <persia> Thanks.
[11:48] <ogra_> i'll have the script ready by beginning of the week
[11:49] <ogra_> then it should only be: flash part 6 ... copy tarball onto SD card ... boot
[11:50] <persia> In my ideal vision of the world, at that point you'd be in a ubiquity environment, with partman preseeded to use mmcblk0p7 for /
[11:50] <ogra_> that would mean live image
[11:50] <persia> Yes.
[11:51] <ogra_> so also 2min untarring vs cp / (surely about 30min)
[11:52] <persia> If there is that much time discrepancy, we're doing something wrong.
[11:52] <persia> Given a compressed archive of files, we should select the fastest way of delivering it to disk.
[11:52] <ogra_> well, ubiquity copies the uncompressed filesystem
[11:52] <ogra_> which by nature takes more time than just untarring
[11:52] <persia> Right, which is naively correct, but may not actually be correct.
[11:53] <persia> I've heard lots of complaints that ubiquity was slow: this may be part of the issue.
[11:53] <ogra_> well, invent squashcat
[11:53] <ogra_> ;)
[11:53] <ogra_> squashcat <squashfs file> > <partition>
[11:54] <persia> No need: you've just invented it: the rest is an implementation detail.
[11:54] <ogra_> lol
[11:54] <ogra_> detail, right
[11:55] <persia> Do you happen to know *why* cp is slower than tar?  Is it filesystem consistency checking?
[11:55] <ogra_> cp operates without compression
[11:56] <ogra_> it just copies from the loop mounted /
[11:57] <ogra_> anyway, let me go back to gardening ... i'll be back
[11:57] <persia> No worries.  It's just theory at this point anyway :)
[11:58]  * persia adds to the list of things to do one day running time and strace (separately) on cp, tar, and rsync delivery of files
[15:25] <persia> ogra_, Obviously MMC performance changes things, but results for image-mount -> HD on amd64 for natty-desktop i386 squashfs supports your assertion: http://paste.ubuntu.com/611065/
[15:26] <persia> I'm not sure what happened with "real" times: I suspect something took advantage of the "idle" state during the rsync run: prior attempts showed it to be more "real" similar to cp (although the other numbers don't seem to have been affected as much)
[15:38] <persia> ogra_, On another note, nvflash doesn't seem to work for me :)


[01:38] <blahdeblah> Is there a good summary of the current status of speculative execution and CPU timing side-channel attacks on jammy?  Whenever I look at an AMD CPU it always shows as not affected or mitigated, but my Intel CPUs still seem to show that it's best to leave SMT off - is that correct?
[03:30] <jjohansen> blahdeblah: it very much depends on your CPU but for most intel cpus, yes that is correct
[04:56] <blahdeblah> jjohansen: Thanks very much


[04:23] <marcoceppi> For an upstart script I need to exec three things, neither of these things fork, I've been searching through the cookbook but I'm not quite sure what to look for.
[04:24] <marcoceppi> Would I just create three seperate upstart jobs and have them called by a fourth upstart script?
[22:08] <Apes> Can Upstart be used to replace cron yet?
[23:52] <SpamapS> Apes: no


[16:37] <mpt> Just posted draft design for SIM PIN settings. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings#SIM_PIN


[00:20] <perrito666> hi again
[00:42] <ericsnow_> CI has failed to build for me 3 times in a row: "35 repositories updated; 2 failed"
[00:42] <ericsnow_> any thoughts?
[00:47] <davecheney> godeps: cannot update "/var/lib/jenkins/workspace/github-merge-juju/tmp.uAmw1jccO3/RELEASE/src/bitbucket.org/kardianos/service": package bitbucket.org/kardianos/service: https://api.bitbucket.org/1.0/repositories/kardianos/service: 503 Service Unavailable
[00:47] <davecheney> bitbucket is down
[00:47] <ericsnow_> davecheney: ah
[00:51]  * thumper needs a casual (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
[02:21]  * perrito666 hangs the call and immediately falls asleep on the desk
[02:21] <perrito666> see some of you tomorrow, cheers
[02:42] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: did you look at Open in api/apiclient.go?
[02:43] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: that's where the cert stuff happens on the client side
[02:46] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: past that there isn't a whole lot you can plug into
[03:18] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: looking now
[03:22] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: yeah I started there but wasn't able to actually figure anything out, as far as I can tell, in that file, on line 231, we are already doing that exact tls config for the websocket.
[03:23] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: maybe it's a websockets vs. normal HTTP thing then (as backups is using direct HTTP requests for download)
[03:24] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: maybe, yeah, I will dig in to more in the morning, I'm going to take some medicine and try to get some extra zzz's tonight.
[03:24] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: appreciate you taking a peak at it though
[03:24] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: yeah, I'm EOD soon too
[03:24] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: np
[03:55] <thumper> davecheney: care to leave a ship it? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/133
[04:30] <davecheney> thumper-afk: looking
[04:30] <davecheney> done
[05:39] <thumper-afk> davecheney: ta
[07:50] <TheMue> morning
[07:51] <jam> morning TheMue
[08:05] <jam2> TheMue: you're gone tomorrow, right? I'm surprised to not see Dimiter here yet.
[08:05] <jam2> fwereade: I'd like to chat with you about possible TXN designs.
[08:06] <fwereade> jam2, heyhey
[08:06] <TheMue> jam2: no, have been here yesterday, had my hangout with dimiter and missed you
[08:06] <jam2> TheMue: yeah, sorry I missed the hangout, ended up getting distracted and missed the ping
[08:06] <fwereade> jam2, sgtm -- juju-sapphire?
[08:07] <jam2> fwereade: I'm in a cafe, but we can certainly give it a shot
[08:07] <TheMue> jam2: I made my final changes to my comming PR in the evening and right now doing the last checks before proposal *yay*
[08:25] <dimitern> jam2, hey
[08:26] <dimitern> jam2, TheMue, http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/123/ - if you can have a look
[09:02] <fwereade> jam2, did I fall over or did you?
[09:05] <jam1> fwereade: I'm at a cafe that gives "free wifi" but only in 1 hour blocks
[09:05] <jam1> so I just switched back to tethering my phone
[09:05] <jam1> but I don't trust the 3G for a hangout
[09:06] <jam1> fwereade: anyway, I think I've gotten enough to at least progress from here, thanks
[09:09] <fwereade> jam1, cool
[09:13] <dimitern> jam1, fwereade, hey, I really like to land this branch, if you can have a look and say it's fine - http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/123/
[09:14] <TheMue> dimitern: will take a look now while my suite is running in the background ;)
[09:15] <dimitern> TheMue, cheers!
[09:24] <fwereade> dimitern, ah yeah sorry I got some of the way through the second page there yesterday
[09:24] <dimitern> fwereade, np, was it looking ok?
[09:24] <fwereade> dimitern, yeah, maybe a couple of minor quibbles
[09:24] <fwereade> dimitern, just going through the rest now
[09:25] <dimitern> fwereade, great, thanks!
[09:26] <dimitern> fwereade, re doing all ports in a single api call in finalize.. if it's ok with you, now once we have versioning in the uniter api, it will be easier to add a FinalizeHookContext api call that does all in one
[09:27] <fwereade> dimitern, yeah, agreed, we don't want that yet
[09:27] <dimitern> but as a follow-up, once the rest of the port ranges PRs land
[09:27] <dimitern> fwereade, cheers
[09:28] <fwereade> dimitern, that's LGTM, but please bear all the quibbles in mind -- I think they do need work, but they don't have to be that PR
[09:28] <fwereade> dimitern, the v0/v1 split is worth landing even if all the details aren't pefect
[09:29] <dimitern> fwereade, sure, will do
[09:32] <dimitern> fwereade, re "FWIW, I would be really happy to see this removed. I guess it's a derail right now, but it's completely pointless -- part of an early abortive metering thing." - can you expand on this one a bit please?
[09:35] <dimitern> fwereade, specifically, what's wrong with calling ParseUserTag at the end of ServiceOwner?
[09:41] <fwereade> dimitern, sorry, it's about ServiceOwner itself
[09:43] <dimitern> fwereade, so you're saying we should get rid of it at some point?
[09:43] <fwereade> dimitern, yeah
[09:43] <dimitern> fwereade, that's fine, what I did is just fix it to be consistent with other api calls (permission checks, bulk ops, etc.)
[09:44] <fwereade> that definitely doesn't have to be in this one
[09:44] <fwereade> dimitern, it's just something I mention whenever I see it
[09:44] <dimitern> fwereade, right :)
[09:44] <dimitern> TheMue, thanks for the review as well
[09:45] <TheMue> dimitern: yw ;)
[09:46] <TheMue> dimitern: just proposing mine now
[10:00] <TheMue> jam2: I have to say while I'm happy with the way we found to handle API versioning the original approach based on the EnvironmentCapabilities as dimiter suggested it has a somehow more clear logic.
[10:18] <thumper> fwereade: hey, got a few minutes to chat?
[10:40] <mgz> trivial review someone please! <http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/140/>
[10:43] <dimitern> TheMue, you've got a review
[10:43] <dimitern> mgz, looking
[10:43] <TheMue> dimitern: just got the notification, thanks
[10:45] <dimitern> mgz, LGTM
[10:46] <mgz> dimitern: thanks!
[11:41] <dimitern> jam, fwereade, reproposed ports sandboxing against master - http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/141/ please take a look
[11:45]  * dimitern needs to step out for ~1h
[11:48] <mgz> rogpeppe: when you have a mo <https://code.launchpad.net/~gz/godeps/print_project_not_dir/+merge/236860>
[11:49] <rogpeppe> mgz: LGTM
[12:20] <hazmat> jam, was that tokumx build i gave for 1.5 targeted towards a build dir / bin .. rebuilding 2.0.0 atm
[12:40] <dimitern> jam, fwereade, review poke :)
[12:51] <mgz> rogpeppe: if you add me to ~godeps-maintainers I'll go ahead and land
[12:52] <hazmat> jam, tokumx 2.0 binary https://www.dropbox.com/s/f78gcixuerpbpjw/tokumx-2.0.0-linux-x86_64.tar.gz?dl=0
[12:52] <hazmat> w/ ssl
[12:52] <rogpeppe> mgz: done
[12:58] <mgz> rogpeppe: landed, thanks!
[12:58] <rogpeppe> mgz: definitely nicer error messages, thanks
[13:10] <hazmat> jam, ping me if you've got a minute to chat toku, added some comments to the docs
[13:14] <fwereade> jam, I don't seem to be able to change teams in githib -- can you?
[13:21] <mgz> fwereade: you should be able to, but I can if needed as well
[13:21] <mgz> fwereade: (things related to the juju team at least)
[13:21] <fwereade> mgz, yeah, I thought I could once, didn't seem to be happening today though
[13:21] <fwereade> mgz, would you remove vlad from hackers, and add gabriel-samfira, please?
[13:22] <mgz> sure thing.
[13:22] <mgz> I'll also owner you.
[13:25] <arosales> any folks seen this error before
[13:25] <arosales> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8479146/
[13:26] <arosales> is this a out of memory on the provider (maas) or juju bootstrap?
[13:26] <mgz> gabriel has been sent an email, he'll need to accept to be added
[13:27] <mgz> arosales: ...that's a good one
[13:27] <mgz> arosales: I would say it, but I bet maas is misbehaving here as well
[13:27] <mgz> arosales: check the maas logs?
[13:33] <arosales> mgz: ya I see OperationalError: out of memory in maas logs
[13:33]  * arosales sighs
[13:42] <perrito666> natefinch: ericsnow ?
[13:46] <ericsnow> perrito666: here
[13:47] <perrito666> ericsnow: we seem to have the standup now
[13:47] <perrito666> instead of later
[13:47] <perrito666> :p
[13:54] <mgz> gsamfira: twothings, pr707 was go fmt sad, <http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/github-merge-juju/872/console>, and you need to join juju/hackers on github for $$merge$$ to be obeyed
[13:54] <gsamfira> mgz: yup, fixed and pushed
[13:55] <gsamfira> mgz: I think I have :)
[13:56] <mgz> okay, should be all set then, let me see
[13:58] <mgz> gsamfira: github seems to be lagging, juju has you as in the hackers team, but your profile doesn't have you in juju
[13:59] <gsamfira> mgz: eventual consistency ftw :). No rush, its fine
[13:59] <mgz> gsamfira: ah, you need to set your membership of juju to public
[13:59] <gsamfira> hmm..lemme see
[14:00] <mgz> gsamfira: on the <https://github.com/orgs/juju/people?query=samfira> page should see a link
[14:00] <gsamfira> ahh
[14:00] <gsamfira> thanks!
[14:01] <gsamfira> was looking for that miniscule link
[14:02] <mgz> gsamfira: itsgoing
[14:02] <gsamfira> worked :)
[14:02] <gsamfira> mgz: thanks!
[14:43] <perrito666> I really hate the local power company
[15:08] <dimitern> fwereade, updated http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/141/diff/1-2/
[15:08] <dimitern> fwereade, it should be good to land now
[15:12] <dimitern> natefinch, hey, can you have a look as well?  http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/141/ I really need to land this
[15:20] <perrito666> brb
[15:42] <fwereade> dimitern, posted a quick question/concern, does it make sense?
[15:45] <dimitern> fwereade, so, currently at the api level there's no relation given or needed when calling OpenPorts or ClosePorts
[15:45] <dimitern> fwereade, but we can add it easily later in the params.EntityPortRange struct
[15:45] <fwereade> dimitern, we can always fix up the api later, yeah
[15:46] <fwereade> dimitern, it's keeping track at the context level that I'm mostly concerned about
[15:46] <fwereade> dimitern, we half keep track and half not? because we have machinePorts that does know about relations, but pending that doesn't
[15:47] <dimitern> fwereade, pending does know now, but the RelationTag field of PortRangeInfo is ignored for now
[15:47] <fwereade> dimitern, but the keys don't know
[15:47] <fwereade> dimitern, as it is that data structure can only hold one info per range
[15:48] <dimitern> fwereade, that's correct, but isn't this how it should be - in the context of a relation hook?
[15:48] <fwereade> dimitern, don't think so -- just because there's a default relation in play doesn't mean you're barred from changing others
[15:49] <fwereade> dimitern, you just need to be explicit about it
[15:50] <dimitern> fwereade, I agree, but later we'll add a [-r rel-id] argument to open-port, close-port, and opened-ports
[15:50] <dimitern> fwereade, it doesn't make sense to do it now, because it's ignored
[15:51] <fwereade> dimitern, mmm, I'd rather have the context-level stuff understand relations but always be using a magic null relation -- rather than have to rewrite that logic when we try to incorporate them
[15:52] <fwereade> dimitern, I think it can even be written and tested sanely right now, you just need to pass a hardcoded not-really-a-relation into those methods
[15:52] <fwereade> dimitern, then enabling it at the command level becomes trivial, instead of a hidden whoops-rewrite-logic thing
[15:54] <dimitern> fwereade, so you're saying pendingPorts should be something like map[X]PortRangeInfo, where X is struct { Ports network.PortRange, RelationTag names.RelationTag } ?
[15:54] <fwereade> dimitern, something like that, yeah
[15:55] <fwereade> dimitern, I know it's kinda tedious
[15:55] <fwereade> dimitern, but since we're writing it now we may as well get it right, ratherthan reworking it later
[15:55] <dimitern> fwereade, ok, fair point
[15:55] <fwereade> dimitern, awesome, tyvm
[15:56] <dimitern> fwereade, and re your other question
[15:56] <dimitern> fwereade, changing the map key should solve that as well I think
[15:56] <fwereade> dimitern, yeah, I think so
[15:57] <dimitern> fwereade, sweet! thanks, I will change it and repropose
[16:07] <dimitern> fwereade, can you LGTM it conditionally, so I can land it after that?
[16:07] <fwereade> dimitern, it kinda feels like that's the heart of the CL is the trouble there
[16:08] <fwereade> dimitern, give me an ETA on the changes and I'll set an alarm to come and look though
[16:09] <dimitern> fwereade, I'll be done in 1h, will ping you
[16:43] <perrito666> if anyone has time http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/142/diff
[16:55] <dimitern> fwereade, updated - http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/141/diff/2-3/
[16:55] <dimitern> perrito666, "You don't have access to this review request."
[16:57] <perrito666> dimitern: sorry I keep forgetting to publish these things
[16:57] <perrito666> done
[16:58] <dimitern> perrito666, cheers, looking
[17:02] <dimitern> perrito666, reviewed
[17:03]  * dimitern is way past eod now, time to go
[17:13] <natefinch> ok, I think I might actually be able to do a little work now
[17:27] <marcoceppi> natefinch: if on a server deployed with juju
[17:27] <marcoceppi> I take down eth0 and bring up eth1 on a different network
[17:27] <marcoceppi> will juju agent detect that change?
[17:27] <marcoceppi> in 1.20.9
[17:28] <natefinch> buh
[17:28] <marcoceppi> I figured
[17:28] <marcoceppi> (asking for a friend ;)
[17:28] <natefinch> lhaha
[17:29] <marcoceppi> natefinch: so, not really going to happen?
[17:29] <natefinch> uh all the networking guys are off by now, so I'm not sure.  I'd be pretty sure that juju wouldn't figure it out on its own.
[17:29] <marcoceppi> can I kick juju in the ass to figure it out?
[17:29] <marcoceppi> that you know of
[17:29] <marcoceppi> like restart the agent
[17:39] <natefinch> marcoceppi: you can certainly try... I don't know what it'll do, honestly.
[18:53] <katco> is there a way to specify an environment for any juju command? i.e. juju -e local (blah)
[18:55] <natefinch> yes?
[18:55] <natefinch> - e local?
[18:55] <natefinch> er -e
[18:55] <natefinch> that should work on anything that requires an environment
[18:55] <katco> hm doesn't seem to work for me? "error: flag provided but not defined: -e"
[18:56] <katco> so you have to specify after the subcmd?
[18:56] <natefinch> might have to be after the command, I forget if it cares
[18:56] <katco> hm. just trying to figure out if there's a way i can make sure i don't hose my actual juju environment while developing :p
[18:56] <natefinch> katco: you can always rename the jenv for that environment
[18:57] <natefinch> to something not .jenv
[18:57] <natefinch> then it's untouchable
[18:57] <katco> yeah but then i have to flip bits around everytime i want to switch b/t developing and doing something with my env.
[18:57] <katco> it's a good suggestion, but not ideal =/
[18:58] <natefinch> katco: there's a request in to be able to "lock" an environment so you don't accidentally muck up a pristine environment, but no one has tried tackling it yet
[18:58] <katco> ah cool
[18:58] <katco> damn juju developers.
[18:58] <katco> never get to the important stuff! ;p
[18:59] <katco> oh hey natefinch where/when you flying out? wondering if i'll catch any canonical ppl on my flight
[18:59] <natefinch> well, the clientside part is trivial, but you want the serverside to respect it too... but then older juju clients wouldn't be able to unlock the environment, so what then?  Maybe not a big deal.  But anyway... it's tricky.
[19:00] <natefinch> katco: Saturday 7pm EST BOS-Heathrow-Brussels
[19:00] <natefinch> British Airlines IIRC
[19:00] <katco> ah... i'm in dc
[19:00] <katco> i mean i have a layover there, then direct to brussels
[19:01] <katco> oh for the days when lambert intl. airport was actually an international airport lol.
[19:01] <natefinch> *nod* This was the best times for me, gives me the most time on Saturday with my family without being a ridiculously extra long flight for no reason
[19:01] <natefinch> jej
[19:01] <natefinch> hhe
[19:01] <katco> yeah, i'm flying out sat. night
[19:02] <katco> might see you at the brussels airport
[19:02] <katco> get in at like 7am i think
[19:02] <natefinch> I get in at 11am.... I wanted to get in at 8am, but it would have meant leaving home at like noon on saturday
[19:42] <natefinch> gotta run, the kids are refusing to take a nap and my wife is feeling worse again.
[19:53] <perrito666> I can neve understand how being I kid I also refused to nap
[19:53] <perrito666> and now I would give my life for a nap
[19:53] <perrito666> katco: ericsnow some of you wants to add a review to http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/142/ ?
[19:54] <ericsnow> perrito666: I'll take a look
[19:54] <katco> perrito666: i'm trying to wrap up a change, i'll try and have a look when i'm done
[19:54] <katco> perrito666: thanks for the ping
[20:08] <perrito666> is it my perception or git rebase will hit the same conflict every time?
[20:29] <perrito666> ericsnow: ta
[21:08] <thumper> FYI, I'm going to be in and out a lot today as I prepare for the sprint next week
[21:08] <thumper> need to be at the airport in 7 hours
[21:08] <thumper> so need to pack etc.
[22:01] <rogpeppe1> random network question: anyone know what this arp line means?
[22:01] <rogpeppe1> ? (<IP_ADDRESS>) at (incomplete) on en1 ifscope [ethernet]
[22:01] <rogpeppe1> i'm having LAN routing issues
[22:01] <ericsnow> EOD a little early
[22:01] <rogpeppe1> and i think that's one of the symptoms


[14:33] <smartboyhw> balloons: I don't know that you're guitara:)
[15:45] <brendand> balloons, hello!
[15:45] <balloons> brendand, howdy!
[15:47] <brendand> balloons, a question i've been meaning to ask for a long time. what is the status now of a tool for storing test cases? is iso-tracker becoming that thing or is there still a plan to use what mozilla were working on?
[15:47] <balloons> for this cycle iso-tracker is indeed that thing
[15:47] <brendand> 'for this cycle'
[15:48] <balloons> brendand, you never know what the future holds
[15:48] <balloons> haha
[15:49] <balloons> basically we've consolidated to the isotracker
[15:50] <balloons> we don't have to move off of it, but changing tools is easier from that perspective now if something like that were desired
[15:51] <balloons> I have no current plans to suggest a tool change, fyi..
[15:56] <brendand> ok. not sure how you and stgraber would feel about accommodating other use-cases than iso testing
[15:56] <balloons> brendand, of course
[15:56] <phillw> balloons: FYI, hggdh from the bug squad is going to re-phrase the section on "my bug went private" He does like the remainder of the Bug section :)
[15:56] <balloons> we have the package tracker for some of those things
[15:56] <balloons> phillw, awesome
[15:56] <brendand> balloons, package tracker?
[15:57] <balloons> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/
[15:57] <balloons> we've done several testing campaigns you can see on it
[16:17] <bdmurray> davmor2: can you retest bug 10120097?
[16:17] <bdmurray> davmor2: can you retest bug 1020097?
[16:18] <davmor2> bdmurray: I can but not till tomorrow first thing I'm using it currently and then it's the lug where I need it
[16:19] <bdmurray> davmor2: no problem, just was wondering if it is still an issue since the bug is rather old
[16:20] <davmor2> bdmurray: ah hang on there was a newer bug done where the kernel team added a patch for it,  I tested that worked the day after the patch landed
[16:23] <davmor2> bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1042809 I needed a clean bug to try and grab a whole bunch of info the kernel team were asking for I can link the 2 but now beta 1 is here I'll certainly re-test and ensure it hasn't regressed again
[16:24] <bdmurray> davmor2: thanks for finding that
[16:37] <balloons> anyone about with a precise machine?
[16:38] <balloons> i'm curious if setting the appearance to high contrast mode in precise, makes the toolbaer at top transparent or not
[16:42] <njin> balloons, vm or real hardware ?
[16:42] <balloons> real
[16:42] <balloons> and vm for that matter
[16:42] <balloons> didn't seem to matter on quantal
[16:46] <njin> balloons, do you need 12.04.1 or the latrest build ? just the time to burn the disk and i will test on real hardware
[16:47] <balloons> njin, not that big a deal to burn and boot up a disc :-)
[16:47] <balloons> lol.. you know what
[16:47] <balloons> my olther machine still has precise on it
[16:47] <balloons> from 12.04.1 testing
[16:47] <balloons> I'll check it
[16:47] <balloons> how are you njin btw?
[16:49] <njin> well, thanks, i've recived the invitation to UDS and nowI've got to talk at work to let me free for these days
[16:50] <phillw> njin: congrats, I've not heard anything :(
[16:52] <njin> cdrom is running on my test pc I select to install on high contrast modality
[16:52] <njin> phillw, thanks
[16:53] <phillw> balloons: can you dig out your link for where to report install bugs, I closed the tab by accident.
[16:53] <balloons> what do you mean?
[16:53] <balloons> it should be on bug reporting instructions at the top of every page :-)
[16:53] <balloons> hopefully
[16:54] <phillw> the one that had the table as to which is ubiquity / xorg etc.
[16:57] <njin> actually ubiquity-dm is showing a dark gray bar on a black background (instead of the usual default background.
[17:02] <phillw> balloons: it's okay. I found it http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22117/buginstructions
[17:03] <phillw> balloons: would you prefer that in a table on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview#Bugs ?
[17:03] <balloons> phillw, I knew where you were going with that
[17:03] <balloons> and yea.. not a bad idea at all
[17:04] <balloons> can you also mention where it can be found when testing? aka hit the bug reporting link
[17:04] <balloons> for iso's, packages, whatever
[17:07] <phillw> balloons: I'll add the table, you put the link where you think is best. hggdh has done his edit and kindly added a link for additional information.  And now, back to herding cats.
[17:30] <balloons> phillw, +1
[17:31] <balloons> phillw, i like it
[17:31] <balloons> very well done
[17:31] <njin> balloons, installed from scratch 12.04.1 in high contrast and the bar is present, just to report that NM and thunderbird icons are gray on black so pratically invisible.
[17:32] <balloons> njin, you mean to say the bar is transparent, or is grey?
[17:33] <balloons> it's transparent for me
[17:33] <balloons> I'm assuming the same
[17:36] <phillw> ooh a new tester for lubuntu has just dropped me an email..... There are times I do have pangs about being a Borg drone.... but those pangs do not last long before I assimilate them :D
[17:37] <balloons> resistance is futile
[17:38] <njin> balloons, no the background is blue and the bar is dark gray, so perfectly visible, only the mentioned icons are gray on darkgray so not visible
[17:38] <balloons> hmm
[17:39] <balloons> now I feel like there might be something here
[17:39] <balloons> can you screenshot it?
[17:39] <njin> sure, let me do it
[17:48] <njin> balloons, http://www.flickr.com/photos/86688242@N06/7938242126/in/photostream/lightbox/
[17:49] <balloons> njin, perfect ty
[18:10] <phillw> balloons: as if we don't have enough to do? :P
[18:12] <balloons> phillw, lol.. what do you mean?
[18:14] <phillw> test cases ::D
[18:15] <balloons> ahh
[18:16] <phillw> balloons: invite knome into here
[18:22] <knome> oh well ;)
[18:22] <balloons> lol
[18:22] <knome> as if they had better things to do
[18:22] <balloons> I know!
[18:22] <knome> O:)
[18:23] <balloons> ok, so the testcases are the same
[18:23] <balloons> if there was something specific to the arch you wanted to test, you could add it
[18:23] <balloons> the base tests are the same
[18:23] <balloons> as it stands right now
[18:23] <knome> mm-hmm
[18:23] <knome> and in the UI, the tests are listed for both architectures automatically, as i see
[18:23] <knome> or?
[18:24] <balloons> I assign testsuites individually
[18:24] <balloons> i just used the same testsuite for both
[18:24] <balloons> as you can see
[18:24] <knome> so if in some weird case i wanted to add something for amd64 only, how would that work?
[18:24] <balloons> now, when you make your testcases, we can add them to the testsuite as well and they will show up
[18:25] <balloons> you could make a amd64 testsuite, add the testcases, and add it as a second testsuite
[18:25] <knome> aha
[18:25] <balloons> I try and re-use as much as possible
[18:25] <knome> and then you'd link it to the xubuntu product?
[18:25] <balloons> hence the ubuntu stuff shares testsuites acorss several products
[18:25] <balloons> so I broke it up in chunks
[18:26] <balloons> yes..
[18:26] <knome> good :)
[18:26] <balloons> you can't link to the product
[18:26] <knome> aha
[18:26] <balloons> but if you modify what's linked, it should reflect I believe
[18:26] <knome> ok
[18:26] <balloons> xubuntu desktop testsuite has your 4 tests in it
[18:26] <knome> so the new testsuite would go under "Xubuntu Desktop amd64" then?
[18:26] <balloons> if you make another and add it, it will show up under both
[18:26] <balloons> if you have amd64 specific, yea
[18:26] <knome> ok
[18:27] <knome> good
[18:27] <knome> not planning to do that but who knows...
[18:27] <balloons> :-)
[18:27] <knome> so about run-once
[18:27] <knome> was that once-in-milestone?
[18:27] <balloons> I tried to follow straightforward naming conventions
[18:27] <balloons> yes
[18:27] <knome> what's your take on the post-installation tests
[18:27] <knome> is run-once enough?
[18:28] <knome> we've done with *every test* so far...
[18:28] <balloons> yes, I think so
[18:28] <knome> well.
[18:28] <phillw> knome: people can run them more than once :)
[18:28] <knome> we should have done.. ;)
[18:28] <balloons> people can/will run more than once
[18:28] <knome> phillw, yeah, of course
[18:28] <knome> balloons, i'm not sure of "will"
[18:28] <knome> :P
[18:28] <balloons> it's simply defining your release requirements
[18:29] <balloons> skaet can weight in here also.. she wants all mandatories for your image before it goes out
[18:29] <knome> except when we decide to sign off even when we don't have 'em all!
[18:29] <knome> superpower!
[18:29]  * knome hides
[18:29]  * balloons notes skaet doesn't like that
[18:30]  * balloons floats high into the air and spies knome
[18:30] <phillw> knome: as I said, lubuntu will want a 'run once' of pcmanfm, as if it does not work - we're up the creek without a paddle. However, that has nothing to do with 'does it install'. That, AFAIK is the difference.
[18:30] <knome> awwh
[18:30] <balloons> i see you!
[18:30] <knome> phillw, yeah.
[18:31]  * skaet reminds balloons there's a definite judgement call between what's manditory for alphas, betas, and release ;)
[18:32] <skaet> or rather knome that is.  :)  sorry balloons.  :)
[18:32] <phillw> release team are there to have an iso that installs and boots, after that.... It's up to our teams :)
[18:32] <knome> yeah, but if we decide ourself what's mandatory... ;)
[18:32] <skaet> yes,  but once decided,  deviations need to be understood and discussed ;)
[18:33] <knome> skaet, when's the decision deadline? :P
[18:33] <knome> nah, just kidding
[18:33] <skaet> :)
[18:33] <knome> i think we might need to rethink making manual partition as mandatory, now that we have no alternate
[18:36] <balloons> it's a simple change to the type
[18:36] <knome> yep, i know
[18:40]  * balloons doing lucid->quantal
[18:40] <balloons> this should be fun!
[18:40] <knome> it IS NOT
[18:40] <knome> :)
[18:41] <balloons> what's the guess nothing will break
[18:41] <balloons> it's a non-default installation...
[18:41] <balloons> I'm guessing there won't be any surprises.. we shall see
[18:41] <knome> even if lucid->precise updates worked for xubuntu, one could still have considered that as a breakage, since the UI changes were *huge*
[19:06] <plars> xnox: under what conditions should side-by-side install be an option?
[19:07] <plars> xnox: I'm booting on a test system with a windows 7 partition, and a previous quantal install only, and don't see it as an option
[19:19] <plars> Daviey: ping
[19:27] <plars> Daviey: I hear you're the guy I need to talk to about maas testing?
[19:36] <Daviey> plars: You can try.
[19:37] <Daviey> :)
[19:37] <plars> Daviey: I don't have the gear for it, but I've heard that you normally fill in the results there?
[19:37] <plars> I was actually looking for someone who can test it :)
[19:37] <plars> for beta1 that is
[19:37] <Daviey> plars: it's being tested between a group of people.. these are mostly:
[19:38] <Daviey> roaksox, smoser, myself, sabdfl, allenap and matsubara
[19:39] <Daviey> i'm currently looking two setups.
[19:48] <knome> Note the Keyboard layout and variant, and type some characters in the test area
[19:48] <knome> Correct keyboard layout and variant are selected from timezone information by default, and the proper characters display when typed
[19:48] <knome> is this expected with Q?
[19:48] <knome> just checking...
[19:58] <jibel> balloons, for Beta 2 will you add test cases for LVM and LUKS ?
[19:58] <balloons> jibel, yes looks like we'll have a mass updating of testcases as well
[19:58] <balloons> fingers crossed ;-)
[19:58] <balloons> we'll get the flavors onto the new cases and update them as needed
[19:59] <jibel> balloons, great. upgrade with ubiquity is also missing
[19:59] <balloons> i also was going to perhaps mess with networking tests
[19:59] <balloons> I have to mess about with it a little and refer to the spec colin gave me
[19:59] <balloons> ohh you mean inside ubuquity.. ye
[19:59] <balloons> *yes
[19:59] <jibel> balloons, what kind of networking tests ?
[20:00] <balloons> so is the webcam option
[20:00] <jibel> balloons, right, inside ubiquity.
[20:00] <balloons> I'm liable to forget all the options.. but as we discussed before..
[20:00] <balloons> I'm not sure colin ever got that spreadsheet updated..
[21:33] <wxl> folks, any idea why quantal daily is in "released" and not "testing" in the iso tracker?
[21:38] <xnox> plars: not sure why it's not offered. Check the ubiquity specification: http://goo.gl/6lSBE and if the options as per spec are not offered, it's a bug. Please file one.
[21:44] <noskcaj> because its not being updated while we're testing the beta
[21:45] <wxl> noskcaj: that makes a certain amount of sense.
[21:46] <silverarrow> can someone give me a testing tutorial?
[21:46] <silverarrow> I am testing for lubuntu powerpc iso quantal
[21:47] <silverarrow> hoping ppc testing is needed
[21:47] <silverarrow> I have burned the powerpc iso, checked for md5 sum, CD boots into a coarse pixeled sort of desktop image
[21:48] <silverarrow> I cannot activate wifi, and ubuqity does not launch properly
[21:48] <silverarrow> which means install is not possible
[21:48] <silverarrow> iBook G4
[21:49] <silverarrow> any thoughs ?
[21:49] <silverarrow> i tried to report the bug on ubiquity but I could not meneuver the beta 1 testing site
[21:50] <xnox> silverarrow: that may have been already reported. I have heard graphics issues with lubuntu on powerpc over at the #ubuntu-release channel.
[21:50] <xnox> silverarrow: in general you should be able to do $ ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[21:50] <xnox> silverarrow: bug $ ubuntu-bug xorg
[21:50] <xnox> would be better
[21:50] <silverarrow> oh good, then no worries
[21:51] <silverarrow> from 12.04?
[21:51] <silverarrow> which I have running fairly well
[21:51] <silverarrow> half decent at least
[21:52] <xnox> well 12.10 beta1 testing.
[21:52] <xnox> not sure about 12.04
[21:52] <silverarrow> I am of course testing teh beta
[21:52] <silverarrow> but cannot report from it, before I get wireless fixed
[21:53] <silverarrow> the full beta 1 iso image, is it updated or fixed until beta 2?
[21:53] <xnox> silverarrow: well it's testing is in progress.
[21:54] <xnox> silverarrow: it's on cdimage.ubuntu.com daily cd, but it's actually potential candidates to be released as beta 1
[21:54] <xnox> silverarrow: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds/22623/testcases
[21:54] <xnox> has a link to download instructions
[21:55] <xnox> silverarrow: you can run ubuntu-bug and save the crash/data file, then copy it to usb stick or something and report from the machine that has internetz
[21:55] <silverarrow> I was going to install quantal ppc for testing, but sort of haulted at the installer bug
[21:55] <silverarrow> or ubiquity bug
[21:55] <xnox> =(
[21:55] <xnox> test alternative installer?
[21:56] <xnox> is there is one for powerpc
[21:56] <silverarrow> i could though
[21:57] <silverarrow> I heard they were short on ppc testers
[21:59] <silverarrow> alternative installer is not affected by ubiquity ?
[21:59] <silverarrow> i mean, ubiquity is the gui part?
[22:01] <silverarrow> xnox, how do I get the bug number right ?
[22:02] <silverarrow> hi kanliot
[22:21] <silverarrow> could someone guide me through reporting a bug in quantal?
[22:22] <phillw> silverarrow: what help can I give you?
[22:23] <phillw> silverarrow: have a read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview#Bugs
[22:23] <wxl> phillw: i noticed the em about x and openchrome. me thinks this doesn't apply to ppc. just saying.
[22:24] <phillw> silverarrow: please do let me know if it does not answer your questions. It is a really important part of our wiki area for people,
[22:30] <leadsled> while in the process of a live i386 lubuntu 12.10 beta on during the shutdown splash the dots were missing below Lubuntu. I then rebooted and shutdown again  just to make sure I had what thought I had seen. I then rebooted again into the live with persistence this time I tried logging out then shutdown the dots under lubuntu then reappeared. I assume this a xorg issue. Should I then try to recreate the scenario again this time
[22:33] <silverarrow> thanks I am reading
[22:33] <silverarrow> I am trying to follow the testing site for bug reports
[22:49] <phillw> hi silverarrow what error are you getting when trying to report a bug to the tracker?
[22:49] <phillw> balloons: ping
[22:49] <silverarrow>  I don't get the bug numbers right
[22:49] <phillw> silverarrow: as in "be aware" section?
[22:50] <silverarrow> you know, when you do it from luncher in ubuntu it generates a bugnumber auto
[22:50] <silverarrow> yes I still have the page up
[22:50] <phillw> silverarrow: yeah, you then use that bug number to report it to on the iso-tracker.
[22:50] <phillw> and add in any further comments
[22:52] <silverarrow> but when I could not get wifi to work I sort of lost track of the bug processing
[22:52] <phillw> silverarrow: I'm really sorry about this, we are currently really stretched thinly.
[22:52] <silverarrow> i had to make reports from windows hp
[22:52] <phillw> silverarrow: you can make manual reports
[22:53] <silverarrow> I was hoping it possible
[22:53] <silverarrow> might improve with the new iso though
[22:53] <silverarrow> 72% downlaoded
[22:54] <silverarrow> up stream
[22:54] <phillw> silverarrow: we have just finished off https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview#Bugs You are in the best situation to tell us if we have missed anything out.
[22:55] <wxl> so, phillw, if i understand correctly openchrome is related to the problems with X because of a failure to properly control the graphics. as i understand openchrome is for via chipsets? i'm pretty sure there's never been an apple with one of these.
[22:55] <phillw> It is a nightmare, as that is a general page so we have to cover topics but not to the initall level that makes it too long to read.
[22:56] <phillw> wxl: there is a proposed fix for the X problem. We need it testing.
[22:56] <silverarrow> chrome and pepper api should it stream on powerpc?
[22:57] <silverarrow> well, never mind...
[22:57] <wxl> phillw: that's my point though: there seems to be an X problem in ppc and the proposed solutin (fix openchrome), i don't believe is applicable
[22:59] <phillw> wxl: from the limited data the devs have, that is their proposed solution. This is why it so important that more than one poor soul bear the brunt of testing. If Lars stops testing, ppc is dead in the water.
[23:00] <phillw> We are only as good as the testers. ppc releases do not magically happen.  The other option is the dropping of ppc.
[23:04] <silverarrow_> I shall have to get testing then
[23:04] <silverarrow_> and reporting the right way
[23:07] <phillw> wxl: the ppc people need to make their voices heard, the devs do not have time to spend on an arch with no users.
[23:08] <phillw> sorry to be blunt.
[23:08] <silverarrow> I think that is a problem, few report back, and keep floating between distros
[23:08] <silverarrow> I have stuck with lubuntu
[23:08] <silverarrow> for some reason
[23:08] <silverarrow> i initally liked the the default setup
[23:08] <phillw> silverarrow: is there a ppc area?
[23:09] <phillw> forum / facebook etc?
[23:09] <silverarrow> no, there is a apple section in the ubuntu forum
[23:09] <silverarrow> there is a ppcmint forum
[23:09] <silverarrow> but I have not posted there,  but it looks much the same as lubuntu, mplayer gecko do not work there either
[23:10] <silverarrow> some G3 users have had less troube with graphic with mintppc
[23:10] <silverarrow> there are some on debian that swear they are best on ppc
[23:10] <silverarrow> fedora has none apple ppc, just the big server ibm type
[23:11] <silverarrow> my G4 has done rather well with lubuntu
[23:11] <silverarrow> i haven't tried ubuntu or xubuntu on it
[23:11] <phillw> silverarrow: IMHO, and it is just that. The ppc people need to help out, without them ubuntu will drop ppc. As mint is an off-spin of ubuntu, maybe they have some thoughts as to if they wish to be the only developer of ppc. Lubuntu has volunteered to be the one for ubuntu.
[23:12] <silverarrow> the G5s should handle utubntus till
[23:12] <phillw> xubuntu do not have a ppc
[23:12] <silverarrow> oh I see
[23:12] <silverarrow> are you sur?
[23:13] <silverarrow> there is a guy talking a lot about ppc and xubuntu on the ubuntu forum
[23:13] <silverarrow> hmm
[23:13] <phillw> silverarrow: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds go check :)
[23:13] <silverarrow> I belive you
[23:13] <silverarrow> but odd
[23:13] <wxl> left a commoent on that bug report
[23:13] <wxl> hopefully someone replies to it
[23:13] <phillw> maybe you should correct the person on the forum?
[23:16] <phillw> kubuntu will carry it if there are testers, ubuntu carry it because we need them for core build. Lubuntu is the flag carrier for ppc. If lubuntu ppc does not go through the others will wither and die.
[23:17] <phillw> that is the 'informal' agreement to keep ppc alive. Lubuntu specialises in 'older' computers, so we have taken ppc.
[23:17] <silverarrow> dowload failed, I had to restart
[23:18] <phillw> silverarrow: which iso?
[23:18] <silverarrow> test lubuntu ppc
[23:18] <phillw> desktop or alternate
[23:18] <silverarrow> but seems to work fine now
[23:18] <silverarrow> desktop
[23:18] <silverarrow> I'm not that used to alternate
[23:18] <silverarrow> should I do the alternate?
[23:18] <phillw> okies. as long as it is going okay.
[23:19] <silverarrow> i started the download on that one too
[23:19] <phillw> alternate is for lower spec computers
[23:19] <silverarrow> well, mine are lower specs
[23:19] <silverarrow> but handles regular install luckliy
[23:19] <phillw> I can pull quickly through the back bone an iso to a different server area.
[23:20] <silverarrow> download is fine for now at least
[23:20] <phillw> It is going to be used for 13.04, but it can pull in 12.10 stuff.
[23:21] <silverarrow> is there a 13.04 in the making already =
[23:21] <silverarrow> ?
[23:22] <silverarrow> jumping from 400 - 500 mb /second
[23:22] <phillw> no, I am working on mirroring more stuff on a secondary server for lubuntu that will be available to all flavours.
[23:22] <silverarrow> no, kilobite
[23:23] <phillw> silverarrow: http://thesii.org/iso/lubuntu/
[23:23] <phillw> we do not have Q ones.
[23:24] <phillw> still working on the best way to do it
[23:24] <silverarrow> I bought dutch cheese today, gouda, a bit scary
[23:26] <phillw> silverarrow: ooh, it appears we do!
[23:26] <phillw> still working on scripts to sync up.
[23:28] <phillw> I'll have to finish off chatting with the script writer to see where he has gotten to. I've asked that he use zsync to reduce the load on the ubuntu server.
[23:29] <silverarrow> yes, it seems a very clever way about it
[23:30] <phillw> silverarrow: balloons asked if I could archive all the milestones so there is a deffinative check for a regression. That server has enough space to hold a cycle of iso's for all flavours.
[23:31] <phillw> good morning smartboyhw
[23:31] <smartboyhw> Good morning phillw
[23:31] <silverarrow> hi smartboyhw
[23:32] <smartboyhw> Hi silverarrow
[23:32] <phillw> smartboyhw: the final respins should now have all arrived
[23:32] <smartboyhw> should be:)
[23:32] <silverarrow> i haven''t been to bed yet, feels a bit odd greeting morning
[23:33] <phillw> smartboyhw: we bit the bullet and did take the ubiquity respin.
[23:33] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA
[23:33] <phillw> silverarrow: it is 00:34 here, but I know smartboyhw is on a different TZ
[23:34] <smartboyhw> 07:33 AM
[23:35] <phillw> smartboyhw: I think Studio did not take the respin, you can go check.
[23:36] <smartboyhw> Once at least
[23:36] <silverarrow> I am central europe time zoine
[23:36] <silverarrow> +1
[23:37] <silverarrow> 01:36 here
[23:37] <silverarrow> in asia or autralia?
[23:37] <silverarrow> way ahead ;-)
[23:37] <silverarrow> sorry about the typos
[23:37] <smartboyhw> Hong Kong, China, Asia
[23:37] <silverarrow> I'm in norway
[23:38] <silverarrow> lots of people and very buisy
[23:38] <silverarrow> Hong Kong I mean
[23:38] <smartboyhw> Yes
[23:38] <silverarrow> exiting
[23:39] <silverarrow> I got a battery for my old ibook from Hong Kong
[23:39] <silverarrow> a bit odd, but a few sellres would not ship from uk
[23:40] <silverarrow> which whould have taken less time, but who cares, fast enough from hong kong
[23:41] <smartboyhw> hAHAHA
[23:44] <phillw> Ahh, there goes the critical bug for Edubuntu, excellent news :)
[23:44] <silverarrow> 10 seconds left
[23:45]  * silverarrow lunches easi iso
[23:45] <silverarrow> lol
[23:45] <silverarrow> launches
[23:45] <phillw> smartboyhw: good news for you, i hope... (00:38:03) skaet: hmm... chinese images haven't been respun since the ubiquity fixes,  I'm kicking off a respin of them now.
[23:55] <skaet> smartboy2,  do you want me posting them on the localized-iso.qa.ubuntu.com tracker, so you can record results against them.
[23:55] <skaet> ?
[23:58] <skaet> hmm.. appear to have the link wrong,  hunting


[11:36]  * YokoZar wonders if checkbox requires package.name="" supports virtual packages
[11:46] <ara> jcollado, ^
[13:05] <jcollado> YokoZar: Yes, I think so. To verify, you can execute /usr/share/checkbox/scripts/package_resource and grep for the package you're looking for
[13:05] <jcollado> YokoZar: Anyway, the output of packager_resource is based on "dpkg -l" which I believe includes virtual packages
[13:06] <YokoZar> jcollado: hmm, nope, dpkg -l doesn't seem to list virtual packages (ie, Provides:)
[13:07] <YokoZar> The specific problem I have is that I'd like some "or" logic -- is that possible?
[13:09] <jcollado> YokoZar: Any valid python expression should be valid: package.name == "xxx" or package.name == "yyy"
[13:09] <YokoZar> ahh good I was hoping that
[13:10] <YokoZar> now I just need to figure out how my test output managed to completely screw up the parser...
[13:10] <jcollado> YokoZar: I have never checked though
[14:22] <davmor2> morning fader_ cr3, afternoon ara  how's everyone
[14:23] <fader_> davmor2: Hey dude... hanging in there... you?
[14:23] <ara> hey davmor2, fader_
[14:23] <ara> how's everything?
[14:23] <cr3> davmor2: still trying to change the world and failing at it, what about you?
[14:23] <davmor2> fader_: sound
[14:24] <davmor2> ara: Good thanks, how's berlin now you are settled peoperly?
[14:24] <ara> davmor2, yes, well, more or less, I have to do a lot of paperwork still
[14:24] <davmor2> cr3: meh you know same annoying me ;)
[14:24] <ara> but... I think I'll wait until I come back from holidays
[14:25] <davmor2> ara: :)
[14:25] <davmor2> don't blame you :)
[14:26]  * ara needs holidays
[14:26] <ara> just one more week
[14:31] <thekorn> ara, you moved to berlin?
[14:31] <ara> thekorn, yes
[14:31] <ara> thekorn, for how long, I don't know :)
[14:31] <thekorn> I mean it is a big step moving from a worl-cup winning country to ... well berlin ;)
[14:32] <ara> hehehe
[14:32] <thekorn> cool, have a nice time there, and *alot* of fun
[14:32] <ara> thanks :)


[07:36] <bigjools> rvba: fancy a quick review? :)
[07:36] <bigjools> https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/cname-job-for-staticip/+merge/224063
[07:36] <bigjools> not bug
[07:36] <bigjools> big*
[07:36] <rvba> bigjools: sure
[07:37] <bigjools> rvba: FTR, the imports at the top were changed to avoid the dreaded circular import
[09:49] <mfa298> I've been experimenting with maas and juju and seem to have an issue where maas is remembering old ip addresses of nodes which are no longer valid.
[09:49] <mfa298> has anyone seen that before and/or know of any easy fix (I've tried deleting the nodes and recommissioning them but it still has the old data.)
[10:28] <jtv> mfa298: that should only be possible if the dhcpd still has the old leases.
[10:37] <mfa298> I did intially have maas managing dhcp and dns but then changed it so that dhcp+dns where done elsewhere.
[10:38] <mfa298> I did spot the maas dhcpd.leases file which does list some early nodes with fixed addresses.
[10:39] <mfa298> it seems slighty odd that it's still telling things those addresses when it's no longer providing dhcp + dns.
[10:40] <jtv> Providing DHCP is the only way in which maas finds out about those leases.
[10:40] <jtv> So when you disable that, it stops hearing updates, but it doesn't know how you've changed things.
[10:41] <mfa298> surely is should know that I've changed things as I've changed the dropdown in maas from manage DHCP and DNS to Unmanaged
[10:41] <jtv> Yes, but it doesn't know what happens to the nodes' addresses after that.
[10:42] <jtv> (We emphatically recommend letting maas manage dhcp on the nodes' network)
[10:43] <mfa298> it would seem better than it then forgets the adresses it thinks it knows about rather than give out wrong info (I had DHCP + DNS setup with dynamic DNS so resolution by name did work. but I had a juju deploy process hang for the whole weekend as it was trying to use outdated IP information.
[10:45] <mfa298> I've now spotted the setting I had missed so I've gone back to having maas manage dhcp + dns for this test cluster to see if that works better (I'd missed the upstream dns setting so things weren't deploying originally)
[10:45] <jtv> That does sound sensible.  You can probably work around it for now by replacing that leases file with a blank, and wait for the regular update cycle to parse the new file.
[14:14] <loki27_> Hey, i have setup MAAS and added 4 nodes, now i have installed juju-core on the MAAS Master node and configured to connect to my maas instance
[14:14] <loki27_> now when i run bootstrap , it takes ages and i get Attempting to connect to ...
[14:18] <blake_r> loki27_: are you using the fast-path installer?
[14:18] <loki27_> No
[14:18] <loki27_> All set them to default installer
[14:19] <blake_r> loki27_: fast-path is the default method, and the prefered method
[14:19] <blake_r> loki27_: default installer takes a very long time, as it has to go through the whole d-i process, and download each package from the archive
[14:19] <loki27_> well i have Mark node as using default isntaller OR Mark node as using fast-path installer
[14:19] <blake_r> loki27_: juju can even timeout waiting for a default node to finish installing
[14:20] <blake_r> loki27_: mark all nodes with fast-path installer
[14:20] <loki27_> that's what i notices, and im deploying on slow nodes (core 2 duo ) test lab..
[14:22] <loki27_> nice ..!
[14:22] <loki27_> thanks blake_r
[14:48] <loki27_> Im folloing https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuCloudInfrastructure , now i have deployed all charms and added relations, exposed openstack-dashboard and nova-cloud-controller
[14:48] <loki27_> when i run  juju status openstack-dashboard i get  server: 409 CONFLICT (No matching node is available.))'
[14:52] <jtv> loki27_: that means there's probably a constraint in there that excludes all your remaining nodes.
[14:52] <loki27_> juju get-constraints returns noting, dashbord will show status for all four nodes to "Allocated to david"
[14:53] <jtv> Might happen when units go wrong — e.g. if you specify "I want 1,000, memory" thinking it's kilobytes but the number gets interpreted as megabytes.
[14:53] <jtv> If all four nodes are allocated to david, then there are simply no available nodes to give to you.
[14:53] <loki27_> Right now i did not speicify anything other then default values from the tutorial (just trying to learn)
[14:54] <loki27_> jtv I dont understand how should i determine how many nodes are required to deploy a standard OpenStack infrastrucutre with juju
[14:55] <loki27_> They were all "Ready state" before i just bootstrapped and deployed all the charms required for openstack
[14:55] <jtv> Then I guess that charm eats up more than 3 machines.  kirkland, maybe you can help with that?
[14:56] <blake_r> loki27_: http://marcoceppi.com/2014/06/deploying-openstack-with-just-two-machines/
[14:56] <blake_r> loki27_: that might help
[14:56] <loki27_> Well i have 1 box dedicated to MAAS + Juju , and i added 4 physical nodes for the deployment
[14:56] <blake_r> loki27_: you need more than 4 to deploy openstack unless you are using lxc contains as well
[14:56] <kirkland> loki27_: I have a bundle that I deploy all day, every day, really nice OpenStack Ice House, which uses 5 nodes
[14:57]  * marcoceppi laments using an IRC nick and domain name that match
[14:57] <loki27_> kirkland ok so i can kick in one more node and that should be enough ? Or is that bundle you are using available somewhere ? ;)
[14:57] <jtv> So glad I didn't go with "the" as my IRC nick
[14:58] <roadmr> loki27_: if you're following that tutorial to the letter, keep in mind that unless told otherwise, juju will deploy one service per node. So 1) maas controller, 2) juju bootstrap, 3) mysql, 4) rabbitmq, 5) keystone, 6) nova-cloud-controller, 7) nova-volume, 8) nova-compute, 9) glance, 10) openstack-dashboard
[14:58] <roadmr> loki27_: you'd need 10 nodes if you want to blindly "juju deploy" all the needed charms
[14:58] <loki27_> ouch, i don't have anywhere close to that budget for openstack deployment right now :P
[14:59] <loki27_> i wass guessing 4 nodes was the absolute minimum for an HA environment with quorum and fail-over controllers
[14:59] <roadmr> loki27_: well you *can* deploy on less nodes, but as I said, you have to explicitly deploy to specific machines, and if you didn't, juju would expect you to have at least 10 nodes
[14:59] <loki27_> And that is why i am trying to deploy on 4 nodes right now ;)
[15:00] <roadmr> loki27_: ok, it can probably be done, I'm just looking at the likely reason why your deployment was not completing
[15:00] <roadmr> loki27_: (based on the way you said you were doing things)
[15:00] <loki27_> roadmr yes fine, and that helps me understand for sure..
[15:01] <roadmr> loki27_: the same document suggests a way to 'co-locate services', that'd only need 7 nodes I think (glance, rabbit and dashboard are co-located with other services)
[15:02] <loki27_> Well from my understanding the suggested co-location, is a 5 node deployment
[15:03] <roadmr> loki27_: yes but I think you're not counting the maas controller and the juju bootstrap node
[15:03] <loki27_> haaa well i have deployed both on the same phys node
[15:04] <roadmr> loki27_: ok, good thinking :)
[15:04] <loki27_> and i guess, it make sense to have the MAAS / Juju on 2 VPS in my datacenter that are standalone (not openstack based)
[15:04] <loki27_> Ok it make sense now :)
[15:05] <loki27_> So how would i roll back all the deployed charms now ? :/
[15:06] <loki27_> juju destroy-environment will be fine , thanks
[15:23] <blake_r> jtv: you will like this one
[15:23] <blake_r> jtv: https://code.launchpad.net/~blake-rouse/maas/maas-boot-poweroff/+merge/224156
[15:45] <jtv> blake_r: great!  Is the syslinux 4/6 transition an obstacle?
[15:46] <jtv> (Because it changes that list of boot loaders)
[15:47] <blake_r> jtv: poweroff.com is on trusty and utopic
[15:47] <blake_r> jtv: same path
[15:47] <jtv> I must admit to being a little mystified, by the way...  this is netbooting a node into a power-off state?
[15:47] <blake_r> jtv: yeah it just powers it off
[15:47] <jtv> (If it's on both trusty and utopic then that covers the transition.  Nice.)
[15:48] <jtv> blake_r: when you say a node gets turned on "out of sync from MAAS," you mean it gets turned on when maas doesn't expect it to turn on?
[15:48] <blake_r> jtv: yes
[15:48] <jtv> Ahhhh cool
[15:55] <jtv> blake_r: reviewed.  Comment copiously.  :)
[16:01] <alexpilotti> blake_r: morning
[16:02] <alexpilotti> trying to join the meeting
[16:02] <alexpilotti> hangout says “This party is over...” :-)
[16:02] <blake_r> alexpilotti: sending invite
[16:02] <alexpilotti> tx
[16:02] <alexpilotti> btw Gabi is joining in as well, but in a few minutes
[16:03] <blake_r> he is in now
[17:08] <schegi> hi playing around with maas/juju for a couple of days now. want to deploy openstack/ceph HA cluster on a couple of machines. is there any way to customize the ceph deployment with the juju charm any firther. have to get it running on different networks than the one default publich network the charm uses.
[17:09] <jtv1> schegi: if #maas doesn't have a good answer for that, have a look in #juju.
[17:09] <schegi> kk tthx
[17:56] <MilesDenver> anyone know how to add a group with a specific gid to preseed?
[17:56] <MilesDenver> for groups I found "d-i passwd/user-uid string 113"
[17:56] <MilesDenver> I mean for users I found ^^^
[17:58] <jtv1> MilesDenver: if nobody here knows, try #ubuntu-server
[17:58] <MilesDenver> jtv1: thanks


[02:11] <dhillon-v10> hi all, I am one of the answer contacts for Ubuntu so i get ~400 emails from answers everyday, a lot of the questions asked can be easily found by looking through ubuntu forums, official documentation and community docs, so would it be plausible to reply to some of the questions by a template pointing to those links
[02:12] <dhillon-v10> I will definitely answer a lot of those questions, but the ones I miss I want to reply with the template
[13:17] <hakaishi> Hi, I have a problem with building a package for Hardy on launchpad. It seems My package can't be built since libqt4-dbus won't be installed (because it is in the backports). Can I do something about it? - Please tell me ';.;'
[13:24] <hakaishi> Hi, I don't know if my poste came through, since there seems to be "[263] LIST Server load is temporarily too heavy"...  I have a problem with building a package for Hardy on launchpad. It seems My package can't be built since libqt4-dbus won't be installed (because it is in the backports). Can I do something about it? - Please tell me ';.;'
[13:26] <maxb> hakaishi: PPAs will only resolve dependencies from the backports pocket if you configure them to do so. If that's the only problem with the package build, you can reconfigure your PPA and retry the build
[13:27] <hakaishi> maxb: what do I need to configure? - And how?
[13:27] <maxb> Go to your PPA's web page and click "Edit PPA Dependencies"
[13:28] <hakaishi> maxb: ah! cool! thankyou
[13:37] <cjohnston> Is there a single page that shows all launchpad related bugs that are currently open?
[13:44] <cjohnston> Does anyone know if there is a feature request about being able to edit comments? Someone told me there was one, but I can't seem to find it.
[13:51] <hakaishi> cjohnston: I hope this helps for your first question: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?advanced=1
[13:57] <hakaishi> cjohnston: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/73335
[15:48] <EsatYuce> hi
[15:48] <EsatYuce> who is the admin today in Launchpad?
[17:55] <MrKeuner> Hi, I think there is a problem with launchpad, I cannot flag a bug as "that does not affect me", I get an error
[23:03] <jumpkick> where do I report a bug that I can't edit tags anymore?
[23:05] <wgrant> jumpkick: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+filebug
[23:05] <jumpkick> ty
[23:07] <jumpkick> oh, I figured out the problem
[23:07] <jumpkick> I was trying to edit the tag on a bug to add ATI
[23:07] <jumpkick> but tags can not be uppercase
[23:08] <jumpkick> so the edit form just locks itself up


[06:47] <guiverc> Is there a ML which I can add my email to, to get notified of re-spun daily images, (currently interested in focal (20.04.1) & bionic (20.04.5)
[17:33] <franksmcb> I am unaware of one @guiverc.  I'd also be interested in a mailing list for this, please let me know if you find anything.


 :D
[08:37] <kbmonkey> he he
[08:38] <totimkopf> ja hoor ek hou daarvan om afrikaans te praat
[08:38] <Kilos> skuus drubin ek het gedink totimkopf was jy wat my terg
[08:38] <totimkopf> hehe
[08:38] <drubin> Kilos: kk tot siens
[08:38] <Kilos> he learned of the interwebs i think if i member right
[08:38] <totimkopf> nee ek's ander dude :p
[08:39] <totimkopf> ja dis reg
[08:39] <totimkopf> op die blabber network
[08:40] <Kilos> kbmonkey, have ytou tried iftop
[08:40] <Kilos> you as well
[08:40] <Kilos> gaan dit nog goed totimkopf
[08:40] <totimkopf> ek weet nie wat dit is nie
[08:41] <kbmonkey> no im just updating my system then i'll install it kilos
[08:41] <Kilos> you shoulda done it first then you could see what the updates cost you too
[08:42] <totimkopf> Kilos: het jy dalk skype?
[08:42] <Kilos> or have you just done a clean install
[08:42] <kbmonkey> apt tell me update used 11.6 MB but at the net cafe so I pay per time
[08:42] <Kilos> nee totimkopf my pc is te stadig en bandwidth is te duur hier
[08:42] <kbmonkey> also i needed to upgrade as I had a dependency conflict cos I messed around with stuff ;P
[08:43] <Kilos> lol
[08:43] <totimkopf> ag nee :(
[08:43] <kbmonkey> wow nice one Kilos !
[08:43] <Kilos> what?
[08:43] <totimkopf> ek kijk 'n fliek, Ghost In The Sheel, het jy dit gesien?
[08:43] <totimkopf> Shell*
[08:44] <totimkopf> kyk*
[08:44] <totimkopf> sjoe
[08:44] <Kilos> nee
[08:45] <totimkopf> hmm
[08:46] <Kilos> kyk is the correct way to say look totimkopf
[08:46] <Kilos> you got it
[08:46] <Kilos> drussell, wb
[08:46] <totimkopf> het jy 'Breaker Morant' gesien?
[08:46] <drussell> Kilos: thx :o)
[08:46] <drussell> Kilos: oneiric update and reboot ;o)
[08:47] <Kilos> thats nice drussell
[08:47] <Kilos> will get there one day too
[08:47] <Kilos> nee totimkopf
[08:47] <Kilos> ek sien maar min movies
[08:47] <totimkopf> it's the only movie i know of about the boer war
[08:48] <totimkopf> it's cool
[08:48] <Kilos> there is a nice song you can get about the war too
[08:48] <Kilos> called de la rey
[08:49] <totimkopf> yes, i know it
[08:49] <Kilos> actually a video
[08:49] <totimkopf> he was a general wasn't he
[08:49] <totimkopf> a boer general
[08:49] <Kilos> ja
[08:50] <Kilos> did you find breaker morant with google totimkopf
[08:51] <totimkopf> yes
[08:51] <Kilos> i dont think we made many movies about it. brings up too much bad feeling
[08:52] <totimkopf> why bad?
[08:53] <Kilos> the way the english had to burn everything and lock up women and kids to be able to win
[08:53] <totimkopf> ah yes
[08:54] <totimkopf> the english made the first concentration camp
[08:54] <totimkopf> terrible
[08:54] <Kilos> yip and started the scorched earth policy i think
[08:55] <totimkopf> scorched earth policy?
[08:55] <Kilos> burn and destroy every thing
[08:55] <DraZoro> Hello
[08:56] <Kilos> not nice to only be able to win a war because you enemy has no food
[08:56] <Kilos> hiya dra
[08:56] <Kilos> grr
[08:56] <Kilos> DraZoro, morning
[08:56] <DraZoro> Hi Kilos
[08:56] <Kilos> i forgot the tab
[08:57] <DraZoro> I noticed in my stem userA can change to directory to let's say /home/userB is that normal ?
[08:57] <DraZoro> I mean userA can access
[08:58] <kbmonkey> gotta run, play well with maaz, kilos
[08:58] <DraZoro> I mean userA can access data from userB
[08:58] <Kilos> cheers kbmonkey  go well
[08:58] <Kilos> lol
[08:58] <Kilos> DraZoro, i dunno
[08:59] <DraZoro> Under Fedora that was not possible
[08:59] <kbmonkey> DraZoro, the permissions depends, im not sure by default, but read access may be set for the user files
[08:59] <Kilos> isnt user a you?
[08:59] <DraZoro> Kilos: Nope
[08:59] <Kilos> oh others use the pc too
[08:59] <DraZoro> Yes
[09:00] <DraZoro> I have added 3 users on the same machine
[09:00] <Kilos> where do you fit in then?
[09:00] <DraZoro> I am the first user
[09:00] <Kilos> who has admin rights
[09:00] <DraZoro> Kilos: Me
[09:01] <Kilos> then others wont be able to change much then
[09:01] <DraZoro> Yes ....I think I will have to change the access rights manually
[09:02] <DraZoro> I don't want them to see each others folders and files
[09:02] <Kilos> then everything gotta be password protected i think
[09:03] <Kilos> what does google say about other user access right
[09:04] <DraZoro> Kilos: I will check ...Another o
[09:04] <Kilos> you will need to talk to one of the clever guys to sort that out
[09:04] <DraZoro> Another option is to encrypt their home folders
[09:04] <DraZoro> Kilos: Thanks you did help
[09:04] <Kilos> yw DraZoro
[09:08] <Kilos> hi |3o|3
[09:08] <DraZoro> Hello |3o|3
[09:09] <|3o|3> Hey Guys
[18:13] <Kilos> evening all
[18:16] <Kilos> hi secbrid
[18:16] <Kilos> first time here?
[18:17] <kodez> evening uncle kilos
[18:18] <Kilos> hi there kodez
[18:19] <kodez> it's been a while not connected, what's interesting of late?
[18:19] <Kilos> kbmonkey has gone to capetown
[18:19] <Kilos> and miss behaving there
[18:20] <Kilos> and doesnt have uncapped any more so he visits in the morning from an internet cafe
[18:20] <secbrid> Hi Kilos, been a while :)
[18:20] <Kilos> everyone else seems to be working harder than ever
[18:20] <Kilos> oh my
[18:20] <Kilos> do i know you secbrid
[18:20] <Kilos> ??
[18:21] <Kilos> sorry if i have forgotten you
[18:22] <Kilos> never heard of that country--- Internic Commersial
[18:22] <Kilos> Commercial
[18:26] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:26]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:26] <Kilos> Maaz, strong
[18:26] <Maaz> Kilos My coffee is always strong. If it is too strong for you then add more milk
[18:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:31] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[18:31] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[18:37] <Kilos> we need to start catching people and branding their names on
[18:51] <zeref> hurrrmmm
[18:57] <Kilos> hi zeref
[18:57] <Kilos> sore throat?
[19:00] <zeref> yeah
[19:00] <Kilos> lol
[19:00] <zeref> feels like teh flu is coming
[19:01] <Kilos> eish
[19:02] <zeref> yeah
[19:02] <zeref> and my ubuntu keeps freezing, and visual effects keeps crashing
[19:02] <zeref> FFFFUUUUU
[19:03] <Kilos> double eish
[19:03] <Symmetria> heh
[19:03] <Kilos> is it properly updated?
[19:03] <Kilos> and upgraded
[19:03] <zeref> yeah
[19:04] <Kilos> what release are you using zeref
[19:04] <Kilos> natty
[19:04] <zeref> lucid
[19:05] <zeref> syslog and Xorg.0 show nothing
[19:05] <Kilos> does the pc hang
[19:06] <Kilos> or can you still switch desktops etc
[19:06] <zeref> yeah, cant even ctrl+alt+f1
[19:07] <Kilos> i had that about an hour ago and on rebooting it didnt even see the drive
[19:07] <zeref> o0o0
[19:07] <Kilos> had to pull battery out for 5 mins and then setup bios and then it was ok
[19:07] <Kilos> almost as if bios lost everything
[19:08] <zeref> visual effects just crashed again
[19:08] <Kilos> i think its the pc
[19:08] <Kilos> graphics card maybe
[19:09] <Kilos> set the visual effects to
[19:09] <Kilos> um
[19:09] <Kilos> sec i go see
[19:09] <zeref> it was on normal
[19:09] <zeref> now just turned it off
[19:09] <zeref> graphics card is ok
[19:10] <Kilos> put it on none and see then
[19:10] <zeref> was working in debian squeeze
[19:10] <zeref> guess no more rotating deskop :P
[19:11] <Kilos> i dunno how to do that
[19:11] <Kilos> hehe
[19:11] <zeref> lol
[19:11] <zeref> compizconfig manager
[19:12] <Kilos> what is rotating desktops
[19:12] <Kilos> from what to what
[19:12] <zeref> when you move to a new workspace, it rotates to the next one
[19:13] <Kilos> oh dont you just click on the desktop you want
[19:13] <Kilos> i use 9
[19:13] <zeref> yeah you click, at it rotates
[19:13] <zeref> i use 7
[19:13] <zeref> still not enough, lol
[19:14] <Kilos> oh is that what you mean rotates
[19:14] <zeref> yebo
[19:14] <Kilos> add mor then
[19:14] <Kilos> lol
[19:14] <zeref> heh
[19:14] <zeref> i thought 4 was enough
[19:15] <Kilos> i love that feature
[19:15] <Kilos> hate minimising every thing
[19:15] <zeref> suddently, one for terminal, irc,programming, pdf, emacs
[19:15] <zeref> etc
[19:15] <zeref> yeah, it was a horror on windows
[19:15] <Kilos> yes i use for mail and pidgin and xchat and iftop and others for other thing
[19:16] <Kilos> i hate windows
[19:16] <zeref> hehe
[19:16] <zeref> i only use the windows pc for games
[19:17] <zeref> not word or anything like taht
[19:17] <zeref> *no
[19:17] <Kilos> thats all it is good for
[19:17] <zeref> i still wonder why varsities dont go open source
[19:18] <superfly> because microsoft gives them blanket licenses
[19:18] <Kilos> i also find that strange, especially if the got a freedom toaster there
[19:19] <zeref> superfly: blanket licenses?
[19:19] <superfly> zeref: yes, they pay a fixed amount per year, and they get to use as many copies of all Microsoft software as they like
[19:20] <superfly> Windows, Visual Studio, the lot
[19:20] <zeref> aah i see
[19:20] <Kilos> evening superfly
[19:20] <Kilos> you still woprking or lurking tonight
[19:21] <Kilos> working
[19:21] <superfly> Kilos: working
[19:21] <Kilos> and hows mrs_fly  and zac
[19:22] <superfly> they're doing fine
[19:22] <Kilos> maybe one day when you old and rich you can lurk some
[19:22] <Kilos> zeref, is pc ok now
[19:23] <zeref> yeah seems ok now
[19:23] <zeref> http://www.pythonchallenge.com/pc/def/linkedlist.php
[19:23] <zeref> WTF
[19:23] <Kilos> then i think its your graphics card that cant handle the effects
[19:24] <zeref> meh, bleh
[19:24] <zeref> 1GB nvidia 9500GT
[19:24] <Kilos> dont take my word for it
[19:24] <superfly> zeref: ah yes, the Python challenge, very awesome :-)
[19:24] <Kilos> that should be fine
[19:25] <zeref> yeah, i'm enjoying tehm just number 4, i've got no cooking clue where to start
[19:25] <Kilos> does it get very hot zeref
[19:25] <zeref> i know i have to use urllib
[19:25] <zeref> Kilos, nope
[19:25] <Kilos> whew you got an ugly prob to sort
[19:26] <superfly> zeref: did you click on the image?
[19:26] <Kilos> just try borrow another card from someone and check
[19:27] <zeref> superfly: ya
[19:27] <zeref> but i know i figure it out soonz
[19:27] <zeref> Kilos, i'm the only one in this res with a graphics card
[19:27] <zeref> they all using lappies
[19:28] <Kilos> eish
[19:29] <zeref> superfly
[19:30] <zeref> hmmm, the url nothing =xxxxx
[19:33] <zeref> sigh
[19:33] <Kilos> wb
[19:33] <Kilos> crashed again
[19:33] <zeref> just logged me out
[19:33] <zeref> ubuntu gods hate me
[19:33] <Kilos> who
[19:33] <Kilos> lol
[19:34] <Kilos> what client you use
[19:34] <zeref> for irc?
[19:34] <Kilos> yeah
[19:35] <zeref> irssi
[19:35] <Kilos> dont you like xchat
[19:35] <Kilos> very stable here
[19:36] <zeref> o0o0
[19:36] <zeref> never used it
[19:37] <zeref> Oct  7 21:35:06 ghost kernel: [44881.744844] wnck-applet[3962]: segfault at 21 ip 00961549 sp bfc4d8f0 error 4 in libwnck-1.so.22.3.26[94d000+36000]
[19:37] <Kilos> do you understand what that means?
[19:38] <zeref> no, LOL
[19:39] <zeref> segfault, iets to do with mem access
[19:39] <Kilos> but segfault doesnt sound good
[19:40] <zeref> indeed
[19:40] <Kilos> and my knees rattle when anything mentions the kernel
[19:40] <Kilos> oh how long has it been hanging
[19:41] <Kilos> maybe you got something a bit broken in there somewhere
[19:41] <zeref> the haning started about 3 days ago
[19:41] <zeref> i fink so to
[19:41] <Kilos> have you done a recovery
[19:41] <zeref> just doing some updates/upgrades and waiting to see
[19:42] <Kilos> you do them from terminal
[19:42] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm just lurking but I'm neither rich nor old
[19:42] <Kilos> lol hiya inetpro
[19:42] <zeref> ya
[19:42]  * inetpro lol
[19:43] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[19:43]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[19:43] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[19:43] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[19:44] <Kilos> inetpro, what does that line tell you ^^
[19:44] <Kilos> 22 up i think
[19:45] <inetpro> hmm... never seen it
[19:45] <Kilos> zeref, reinstall that  libwnck-1 again too
[19:46] <Kilos> you use aptitude hey zeref
[19:46] <zeref> apt-get
[19:46] <Kilos> the guys that know say aptitude is better
[19:46] <Kilos> dunno why
[19:47] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[19:47]  * inetpro wonders what libwnck-1.so is used for
[19:47] <Kilos> i cant remember if its in lucid or if you must install it
[19:47] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[19:47] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[19:47] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[19:47] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[19:48] <zeref> inetpro, i think libwnck controls workspaces, etc
[19:48] <Kilos> hi JabberwockyA19
[19:48] <inetpro> zeref: that sounds like trouble
[19:48] <zeref> yeah :-(
[19:49] <inetpro> zeref: try this on the cli
[19:49] <inetpro> zeref: locate libwnck-1
[19:49] <Kilos> A library to use for writing pagers and task lists.
[19:49] <Kilos> This package contains internationalization files.
[19:49] <Kilos> synaptic tells all
[19:50] <JabberwockyA19> hi Kilos :)
[19:50] <zeref> think i'll reinstall it if updates dont change anything
[19:51]  * JabberwockyA19 looking for a way to rmmod 8139too and modprobe 8169
[19:51] <zeref> 8139too?
[19:51] <JabberwockyA19> realtek network card giving problems :(
[19:52] <zeref> you can sudo rmmod or blacklist it
[19:52] <JabberwockyA19> those 81... are the kernel modules' names
[19:52] <Kilos> eish bad friday
[19:52] <inetpro> zeref: maybe if you can figure out what package the file belongs to you can try troubleshooting from there
[19:52] <JabberwockyA19> zeref: if I remove the 8139too driver it doesn't detect the network card
[19:53] <zeref> thanks inetpro i'll try that
[19:53] <zeref> Jabber, what kind of problems is it giving?
[19:53] <JabberwockyA19> I wonder if there's a way to force the old driver
[19:53]  * JabberwockyA19 hopes he doens't have to rebuild the kernel
[19:54] <inetpro> zeref: if you have found the file you search the package with dpkg -S /path/to/file
[19:56] <zeref> Jabber, cant you blacklist the new driver and modprobe the old one?
[19:56] <inetpro> zeref: I see others also having the problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1545952
[19:56] <Kilos> lol zeref when you type someones nick type the first three letters and hit tab and you should get the whole nick
[19:56] <JabberwockyA19> if I modprobe the new one eth0 is gone
[19:57] <JabberwockyA19> if I do 'lspci -k' it shows that the card is compatible under both drivers
[19:57]  * JabberwockyA19 will be back now
[19:57] <zeref> Kilos, TIL something new :-D
[19:58] <Kilos> huh
[19:58] <Kilos> TIL?
[19:59] <zeref> Today I learnt
[19:59] <Kilos> oh
[19:59] <zeref> inetpro: i see, sigh
[19:59] <inetpro> eish, lots of them having problemos with wnck-applet
[19:59] <Kilos> i dont know all the meanings i a ballie
[20:00] <Kilos> inetpro, is there a way to fix broken packages in cli
[20:01] <inetpro> Kilos: all depends on the meaning of the word broken
[20:01] <Kilos> in synaptic you go edit and fix broken and it loks for broken packages
[20:01] <Kilos> not working properly
[20:01] <Kilos> isnt that broken
[20:01] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:02] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm...
[20:03] <Kilos> and synaptic also finds packages that arent upgraded even after update and upgrade in cli
[20:03] <inetpro> Kilos: in the context of apt the word broken would most likely mean that you had some kind of trouble during installation time
[20:03] <Kilos> oh not when probs appear later
[20:04] <inetpro> --fix-broken = attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place.
[20:04] <Kilos> is that apt-get
[20:04] <zeref> ummmm, why not dpkg --configure -a?
[20:04] <zeref> fixes broken packages
[20:05] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, that's from man apt-get
[20:05] <Kilos> i think dpkg does that only for files not configured properly
[20:07] <Kilos> so it would be sudo apt-get --fix-broken or must you name the package
[20:07] <Kilos> or the path as well
[20:08] <inetpro> zeref: you might also wanna look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/576751
[20:08] <zeref> Kilos or use: sudo apt-get -f install
[20:09] <Kilos> oh yes
[20:12] <inetpro> zeref: I'm not sure whether this is related but I'm quoting from the above link "The panel with the wnck-applet needs to have both auto-hide and transparency enabled for the memory leak to show up..."
[20:13] <inetpro> that's from comment #18
[20:13] <zeref> hmm, i'm reading that now....
[20:14] <zeref> i only have transparency enabled..
[20:14] <zeref> someone also mentioned a problem with the themes
[20:16] <inetpro> zeref: another writes "killall wnck-applet" fixes the problem, with a couple popups asking to restart the window list and desktop switcher, then everything is fine.
[20:16] <inetpro> http://us.generation-nt.com/bug-351452-gnome-panel-wnck-applet-uses-100-cpu-help-166561301.html
[20:16] <zeref> yeah, the memory goes down after that
[20:17] <inetpro> zeref: what version of ubuntu do you have?
[20:17] <zeref> but then it will begin to rise sooner or later
[20:17] <zeref> 10.04
[20:17] <inetpro> eish
[20:17] <inetpro> try upgrading
[20:17] <zeref> and its a 2010 problem :-(
[20:17] <zeref> ubuntu, why you no fix xD
[20:18] <zeref> eish, was really wating to upgrade to 12.04
[20:18] <inetpro> was 10.04 not a LTS version as well?
[20:18] <zeref> *waiting
[20:18] <zeref> it is
[20:18] <inetpro> that's not nice
[20:19] <zeref> what version do use?
[20:19] <zeref> 1.04
[20:19] <zeref> lol
[20:19] <zeref> 11.04
[20:19]  * inetpro uses Kubuntu
[20:20] <inetpro> am currently on 10.10
[20:20] <zeref> hmm, i've being stuck on gnome, since coming from debian, soooo used to it
[20:21] <inetpro> zeref: well a week from now you should be able to go to 11.10
[20:22] <inetpro> zeref: I think ubuntu gnome has had significant updates since 10.04
[20:22] <zeref> yeah, think i'll upgrade to that, and to play around with unity
[20:23] <zeref> yeah, still using gnome 2.30.2
[20:23] <Kilos> nee man
[20:23] <inetpro> Kilos: nou wat nou?
[20:23]  * superfly uses Kubuntu and is on 11.10
[20:23] <Kilos> you gotta upgrade step for step
[20:24] <Kilos> not from 10.04 to 11.10 one shot
[20:24] <inetpro> zeref: Kilos may be right
[20:24] <zeref> i think he is
[20:24] <zeref> unless, clean install with 11.10
[20:24] <inetpro> yep
[20:25] <Kilos> if you dont have data cap upgrade to maverick
[20:25] <Kilos> maverick rocks
[20:25] <zeref> we uncapped here xD
[20:25] <Kilos> all lucids probs are fixed
[20:25] <zeref> http://www.1channel.ch/tv-9594-The-Big-Bang-Theory/season-5-episode-4
[20:26] <zeref> big bang time :)
[20:26] <Kilos> lol
[20:26] <Kilos> thats why our interwebs are so slow
[20:26] <zeref> lol
[20:26] <Kilos> all the varsities watch tv
[20:26]  * inetpro bought a 1GB bundle from VC yesterday and was shocked to see 2GB available
[20:27] <Kilos> and now with video chat on facebook
[20:27] <inetpro> seem they have a special going on now
[20:27] <zeref> take all the internets
[20:27] <Kilos> yeah R189 for 2g inetpro
[20:28] <Kilos> no
[20:28] <Kilos> R389
[20:28] <inetpro> no
[20:28] <inetpro> http://www.vodacom.co.za/vodacom/services/Broadband/Promotion+and+Deals/Double+your+data?selected=7_a_Pro_3_Dou_1455&ciFormat=default&ht=t&campaignId=campaignlink4
[20:28] <Kilos> now i forget been a while since i got one
[20:28] <Kilos> grrr
[20:28] <inetpro> R279.00 for 1GB which gets doubled
[20:29] <Kilos> just tell prices
[20:29] <Kilos> nee man
[20:29] <Kilos> was 389 for 2 g always
[20:29] <inetpro> R319.00 gives you 3GB
[20:29] <Kilos> wow
[20:29] <inetpro> R369.00 gives you 4GB
[20:30] <Kilos> they dropped R70
[20:30] <inetpro> and R429.00 gives you 5GB
[20:30] <Kilos> wow
[20:30] <Kilos> price wars
[20:30] <Kilos> they were R389 for 2g
[20:31] <inetpro> With the “Double-your-Prepaid-data” promotion, you get double the allocated data for Prepaid and Top Up once-off data bundles for all Broadband Standard MyGig 1, MyGig 1.5, MyGig 2 and MyGig 2.5 data bundles purchased between 19 September 2011 and 31 October 2011
[20:31] <Kilos> eish one month only
[20:31] <inetpro> now if only VC could see me promting that and give me some more for free
[20:31] <Kilos> lol
[20:32] <inetpro> promoting*
[20:32] <Kilos> hehe i would promote all day here and pidgin
[20:33] <inetpro> it's still very pricey but starting to get better
[20:33] <Kilos> yeah much cheaper
[20:33] <Kilos> lekker slaap inetpro
[20:34] <Kilos> ek moegerig nou
[20:34] <inetpro> Kilos: dankie, selle daar
[20:34] <Kilos> sleep tight all


[12:38] <lamont__> jbailey: what determines what modules are loaded into the initrd?
[01:07] <infinity> lamont : Did you clean up ross?
[01:08] <infinity> lamont : I got a message from elmo last night that it was out of disk space; seems (more than) fine now..
[01:09] <elmo> [01-08-2005 09:46:18]  SERVICE ALERT: ross;Disk Space of /;CRITICAL;HARD;3;DISK CRITICAL [39041 kB (3%) free on /dev/sda3]
[01:09] <elmo> I wasn't making it up :-P
[01:10] <infinity> I assume not. :)
[01:10] <infinity> Also, speaking of ross, it seems confused about SSH keys... Hrm.
[01:11] <elmo> yeah, it will be, it's hostname is fucked
[01:11] <infinity> I have 4 keys in LDAP (all show up in /var/lib/misc just fine, so ud-ldap is syncing okay), but I can only auth from one host, not the other.
[01:11] <elmo> try now
[01:11] <infinity> Oo.  Much better.
[01:11] <infinity> Was it authenticating against the hdb.com stuff?
[01:12] <elmo> actually ross has done this for like the last 5 or 6 days in a row
[01:12] <elmo> i.e. dropped to 2-5% free at ~9am local
[01:12] <elmo> so whatever's happening then is Bad(tm)
[01:13] <infinity> Evil cronjob?
[01:13] <elmo> infinity: yah, if you find a buildd not called .buildd (in hostname -f), yell
[01:13] <infinity> Yeah, I think there are a few others that hate me.  I'll loop through all 12 and see.
[01:17] <infinity> crested and floe seem to be the only other two.
[01:18] <infinity> 9am local, you say?  Hrm.
[01:18] <elmo> fixed
[01:19] <infinity> The only possibly nasty cronjob I can see if the DI build (which shouldn't be nasty anyway) at 6:15...
[01:19] <infinity> I guess if it's going out of control, it could take 3 hours to fill the disks.
[01:19] <infinity> s/if the/is the/
[01:20] <elmo> I'm fairly sure the d-i daily build is finished well before then
[01:20] <elmo> is ross not live CD image builder?
[01:20] <infinity> Nope.
[01:20] <elmo> damn, that was my first thought
[01:20] <infinity> The LiveCD builds are commented out on ross.
[01:21] <elmo> acct's useless for this sort of thing - unless lamont knows, I guess we should cron some ps auxfw's
[01:53] <lamont> ross is d-i
[01:54] <lamont> hrm.. clearly someone cleaned it up
[01:54] <lamont> royal is livecd
[01:54] <infinity> Not I, and not elmo.  That doesn't leave many options.
[01:54] <lamont> ross is d-i
[01:54] <lamont> hrm... is 23% atm
[01:54] <infinity> Yes, I noticed. :)
[01:54] <elmo> yeah, but somethings using 20% of 150Gb and it's not a package
[01:55] <elmo> and it's not d-i
[01:55] <infinity> So, there's a mystery process that eats the disk at 9am every day, and then happily cleans up after itself.
[01:55] <lamont> at 39MB, gcc-4.0 wins for logfile size
[01:55] <lamont> oh, joy.
[01:55] <lamont> 9AM DC time?
[01:55] <infinity> Yeah.
[01:55] <infinity> elmo : I would assume the majority of that 20% of 150GB is ccache.
[01:56] <infinity> We do have ungodly large caches.
[01:56] <elmo> ccache doesn't clean upitself ?
[01:56] <elmo> oh 23% USED?
[01:56] <infinity> Yes, 23% used.
[01:56] <elmo> so something is using 100Gb ... W_T_F?
[01:56] <infinity> Yeah, at 9am, something is eating 110GB.
[01:57] <infinity> Yum.
[01:57] <infinity> It is really at the same time every day, or just coincidentally rather close?
[01:58] <elmo> all between 9am and 10am
[01:58] <lamont> did tdb-dev finally show up (migrate to main)?  or did bogofilter just pick a diff machine to annoy after 9:40?
[01:59] <lamont> elmo: that's bizare!  and about 0300 for me.
[02:04] <infinity> Infinite loop in the find or checksecurity cron.daily jobs, perhaps?
[02:05] <infinity> They clean up after themselves, and couldtake 3 hours to build a 110 gig log file.
[06:40] <infinity> Oh well, halfway there.
[09:18] <doko> lamont: hppa is lacking libdb4.3, so python cannot be installed
[02:38] <lamont> infinity: yeah, I guess it would.
[02:38] <lamont> doko: correct
[06:34] <doko> laminity: please requeue: sigc jabberoo libgnomemm2.0
[06:34] <doko> lamont, infinity: ^^^
[07:22] <lamont> doko: on ppc?
[07:23] <doko> lamont: all
[07:23] <lamont> I only have logs for sigc/ppc and jabberoo/ppc.
[07:23] <lamont> I'll kick the others in a bit, when my meeting hits a break and I can type faster...


[00:00] <DPic> meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now
[10:42] <Syntux_> isn't there any Ubuntu-Business channel or mailing list?
[12:27] <RainCT> Hi
[12:29] <RainCT> cody-somerville: the press release translations are no longer embargoes, or?
[12:30] <RainCT> *embargoed
[12:32] <cody-somerville> Correct
[13:08] <Tm_T> hi ho
[13:08]  * Tm_T is in train, heading to prepare the release event in Helsinki
[15:38] <Tm_T> hi elkbuntu`


[02:27] <Logan_> james_w: Are you around?
[02:27] <james_w> Logan_, yeah
[02:28] <Logan_> james_w: could you please requeue_package.py --full hivex ?
[02:28] <Logan_> There's currently an import failure for it that should be resolved with that command.
[02:29] <james_w> Logan_, done
[02:29] <Logan_> Thanks. :)
[02:29] <james_w> with --priority for good measure :-)
[02:30] <Logan_> Awesome. :P
[04:07] <mortrca> Whenever a member of my team commits changes, the file <RepositoryLocation>/.bzr/repository/pack-names is changed so that it is no longer owned by the group, but by the user that has committed the changes. This makes it impossible for anyone to commit changes until the ownership is changed back. How can I fix this?
[04:09] <fullermd> The file gets replaced, I'm pretty sure, so it shouldn't matter.  They just need to be able to write the dir.
[04:11] <bob2> you need to fix their umasks
[04:11] <bob2> and then make .bzr g+s, recursively
[04:11] <mortrca> fullermd: Even with permission to write to the directory the file becomes unavailable.
[04:12] <fullermd> umask shouldn't matter; bzr will inherit the dir mode.
[04:12] <fullermd> The g+s is probably it.  I keep forgetting about the problems of inferior FS semantics  ;p
[04:14] <mortrca> I will give that a try, thank you.
[04:14] <bob2> umask is need to make it group writable
[04:14] <fullermd> No, bzr will do that itself if the dir is group writable.
[04:15] <fullermd> ('m pretty sure it'll even make it world writable if the dir is...)
[07:54] <mgrandi> so apparently you can make bzr run out of memory by having a big commit >.>
[07:56] <mgrandi> but strangely you can still commit it
[09:21] <venefyxatu> mgrandi: there are several ways to make it run out of memory :-)   https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/367545 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/191731
[09:21] <venefyxatu> ooh, fun
[09:21]  * venefyxatu pokes ubot5
[09:23] <mgrandi> probably involves the branch one
[09:24] <mgrandi> but also happens during merge / pull
[14:22] <askhl> Hi.  I'm trying to share a repostiory on one computer with multiple people using ssh.  But after a push by USER, the file .bzr/repositories/pack-names will be owned by USER.USER, which prevents other users from pushing until I fix the group permissions.  How should I solve this?  The examples I find on the net do not seem to have to deal with this problem.
[15:24] <askhl> Let me rephrase my previous question: "How do I properly grant commit rights to someone?"
[16:03] <pef_> hi! I have installed bzr on a cluster and I'm getting
[16:03] <pef_> Value "/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt" is not valid for "ssl.ca_certs"
[16:03] <pef_> No valid trusted SSL CA certificates file set. See 'bzr help ssl.ca_certs' for more information on setting trusted CAs.
[16:03] <pef_> See `bzr help ssl.ca_certs` for how to specify trusted CAcertificates.
[16:03] <pef_> Pass -Ossl.cert_reqs=none to disable certificate verification entirely.
[16:04] <pef_> however, I don't want to have to pass that argument each time when I call bazaar
[16:04] <pef_> how do I turn it off in my ~/.bazaar?
[16:04] <pef_> I've tried
[16:04] <pef_> ssl.cert_reqs=none
[16:04] <pef_> ssl.ca_certs=none
[16:04] <pef_> but it doesn't change anything
[19:15] <jelmer> pef_: that should do it
[19:15] <jelmer> pef_: what section did you set it in?
[19:15] <pef_> I didn't know I had to put it in a section
[19:15] <pef_> those two lines are the only contents of the file
[19:15] <pef_> what should [go above]?
[19:15] <jelmer> e.g. [DEFAULT]
[19:16] <jelmer> though I think if you don't have a section, it means it's in that one too
[19:17] <pef_> nope, adding [DEFAULT] hasn't made a difference
[19:18] <pef_> any other ideas?