[16:00]  * vorlon waves
[16:00] <rbalint> o/
[16:01] <tobikoch> \o
[16:01] <vorlon> #startmeeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Nov 15 16:01:43 2018 UTC.  The chair is vorlon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:03] <vorlon> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:03] <vorlon> $ echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson rcj philroche Odd_Bloke juliank fginther platonical tobikoch)
[16:03] <vorlon> mwhudson cyphermox sil2100 infinity platonical tdaitx juliank fginther rbalint tobikoch rcj xnox doko bdmurray philroche vorlon Odd_Bloke
[16:04] <bdmurray> I think that means platonical is first
[16:05] <vorlon> hah indeed
[16:05] <vorlon> platonical:
[16:05] <platonical> * updates to livecd-rootfs
[16:05] <platonical> * cloud partner work
[16:05] <platonical> done
[16:05] <platonical> tdaitx
[16:06] <tdaitx> * uploaded openjdk-7 with 7u201 patches to the security team
[16:06] <tdaitx> * working on jtreg testcase for SRUing openjdk-8 runtime failure
[16:06] <tdaitx> * preparing upload of openjdk-8 and openjdk-lts (10, Bionic) for the security team (Debian #911847, Debian #911925, Debian #913641, LP: #1800792)
[16:06] <tdaitx> * keeping track of fixed packages in debian for openjdk-11 compatibility
[16:06] <tdaitx> * reviewed openjdk-8 and openjdk-11 roadmap (EOL is much later compared to late-2017 and early-2018 figures)
[16:06] <tdaitx> (done)
[16:06] <tdaitx> juliank: go!
[16:06] <juliank> * syncs: fakeroot
[16:06] <juliank> * merges: wget, packagekit, libgcrypt20, kbd
[16:06] <juliank> * apt prereleases (bug 1787460, failed attempt for bug 1801338, amongst other things)
[16:06] <juliank> * still trying to figure out how to get aptitude to build in C++17, which it requires in 0.8.11 (so we don't get stuck on 0.8.10)
[16:06] <juliank> * networkd-dispatcher new upstream release 2.0-0ubuntu1
[16:06] <juliank> (done)
[16:08] <xnox> fginther, ?
[16:08] <vorlon> fginther:
[16:08] <platonical> hes afk atm
[16:08] <vorlon> ok
[16:08] <vorlon> rbalint:
[16:08] <rbalint> (short and slow week due to minor injury)
[16:08] <rbalint> * found and fixed LP: #1803391
[16:08] <rbalint> * prepared unattended-upgrade SRU for all releases starting with Xenial with a lot of regression testing and documenting the regressions
[16:08] <doko> tdaitx: is there a document about the openjdk-11 compat packages?
[16:09] <rbalint> * paving the way for mass bzr -> git conversion in https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+git/bzr-git-mass-convert
[16:09] <rbalint> (done)
[16:09] <tobikoch> * Things related to parallelized image builds
[16:09] <tobikoch> * Point-in-time fixing of snap versions in image builds
[16:09] <tobikoch> * Turning mfdiff into a reusable component
[16:09] <tobikoch> * Pseudo vanguarding
[16:09] <tobikoch> (done)
[16:09] <tobikoch> rcj:
[16:09] <tobikoch> sorry, rcj is presenting in another meeting.
[16:09] <tobikoch> xnox:
[16:09] <xnox> * subiquity s390x - it builds, it boots, it installs but only on qemu
[16:09] <xnox> * preparing systemd SRU with linear history
[16:09] <xnox> * boost1.67 transition started in debian
[16:09] <xnox> done
[16:09] <fginther> sorry
[16:10] <fginther> * Cloud partner face to face
[16:10] <tdaitx> doko: I have a trello card + a personal list in keep, I'll be moving those into our openjdk doc
[16:10] <doko> ta
[16:10] <fginther> * Manager stuff
[16:10] <fginther> (done)
[16:10] <doko> - just involved in merges in transitons, currently no other stuff
[16:10] <doko> - and python3.7 done
[16:10] <doko> (done)
[16:11] <xnox> fginther, Manager's stuff?!
[16:11] <rbalint> fginther, window manager stuff :-)
[16:11] <vorlon> bdmurray:
[16:11] <bdmurray> worked on modifing ET charm / spec to setup telegraf config
[16:11] <bdmurray> started writing test crash verifier for Error Tracker
[16:11] <bdmurray> fixed daisy bug w/ staging.launchpad.net LP: #1793735
[16:11] <bdmurray> submitted RT re: updating daisy code for the above
[16:11] <bdmurray> special sru reviews of debootstrap, grub2
[16:11] <bdmurray> package to team mapping work / nagging
[16:11] <bdmurray> uploaded cosmic, bionic SRUs for LP: #1797384
[16:11] <bdmurray> submitted ubuntu-archive-tools MP fixing LP: #1720249
[16:11] <bdmurray> resolved update-notifier autopkgtest failures
[16:11] <bdmurray> modified bugbot to handle ROS ppa upgrade failures
[16:11] <bdmurray> performed SRU verification of grub bug LP: #1788727
[16:11] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[16:12] <bdmurray> philroche:
[16:12] <philroche> * F2F meetings with partners
[16:13] <philroche> * Cloud image build system changes
[16:13] <philroche> * Cloud image build system vanguard
[16:13] <philroche> (done)
[16:13] <bdmurray> vorlon:
[16:13] <vorlon>  * short week, was off Monday for US holiday
[16:13] <vorlon>  * subiquity on z planning
[16:13] <vorlon>  * disco proposed-migration transitions
[16:13] <vorlon>  * lots of kernel SRU processing while others are at Plumbers
[16:13] <vorlon>  * off next Thu/Fri (Thanksgiving)
[16:13] <vorlon> (done)
[16:13] <vorlon> Odd_Bloke:
[16:14] <Odd_Bloke> * Cloud image vanguard
[16:15] <Odd_Bloke> * Sorting out some issues with new CPC Jenkins slaves
[16:15] <Odd_Bloke> (done)
[16:15] <vorlon> any questions over status?
[16:17] <vorlon> [TOPIC] Bugs
[16:17] <vorlon> bdmurray:
[16:17] <bdmurray> no news here
[16:18] <vorlon> ok
[16:18] <vorlon> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:18] <vorlon> anything else this week?
[16:18] <bdmurray> I also am out Thu Fri of next week
[16:18] <gaughen> vorlon, have we sorted out the plan for systemd and u-u, xnox and rbalint?
[16:18] <rbalint> is there anyone switching over to https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/+git/livecd-rootfs
[16:19] <xnox> gaughen, i believe we have sorted the systemd patch to upload. not involved in the u-u plan of sru, etc.
[16:19] <gaughen> rbalint, why would anyone switch to that?
[16:19] <gaughen> xnox, do we need to expedite it?
[16:19] <rbalint> gaughen, i mean to the content, not to the url
[16:20] <vorlon> gaughen: I saw rbalint say he had a patch that works, so I didn't see the need to dig any deeper
[16:20] <rbalint> so it would be  git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/livecd-rootfs
[16:20] <gaughen> cpc-help ^^
[16:25] <vorlon> fwiw we do have a variety of open MPs against several of the branches: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk/+activereviews https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/bionic-proposed/+activereviews https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/xenial-proposed/+activereviews
[16:25] <vorlon> (16, 3, 1)
[16:29] <vorlon> so per backchannel discussion :), it sounds like we are targetting Dec 12 for this bzr->git conversion
[16:29] <vorlon> in order to give us time to quiesce the queue of outstanding MPs
[16:29] <vorlon> [ACTION] rbalint to send mail informing everyone of the livecd-rootfs conversion timeline
[16:29] <meetingology> ACTION: rbalint to send mail informing everyone of the livecd-rootfs conversion timeline
[16:30] <rbalint> (we may pick several other repos to convert on 12th)
[16:31] <fginther> tobikoch, ^ bzr->git for livecd-rootfs. we should work to get as much merged as possible (not that you aren't already working toward this :) )
[16:32] <tobikoch> fginther: ack
[16:32] <vorlon> ok, anything else?
[16:33] <gaughen> not from me
[16:33] <vorlon> #endmeeting
[16:33] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Nov 15 16:33:49 2018 UTC.
[16:33] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-11-15-16.01.moin.txt
[16:33] <vorlon> thanks, all!


[04:46] <bkerensa> akgraner: Did you know HP Cloud uses Linaro?
[04:46] <bkerensa> :D
[04:47] <akgraner> :-)
[04:47] <bkerensa> akgraner: I'm in their private beta and noticed this in one of the instances Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.1-9ubuntu3
[04:47] <bkerensa> :D
[04:48] <akgraner> yep - if you look we're in a lot of places :-)
[04:49] <akgraner> bkerensa, glad you noticed, it's really cool...
[04:52] <bkerensa> indeed
[04:52] <bkerensa> :D
[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[08:25] <nigelb> Morning dholbach! Good weekend?
[08:26] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[08:26] <dholbach> yep
[08:28] <nigelb> :)
[08:28] <nigelb> Hi ara, dpm :)
[08:28] <ara> hey all!
[08:28] <dholbach> nigelb, how about you?
[08:29] <nigelb> dholbach: Not bad. Buried under work though :)
[08:43] <dpm> hey nigelb ;)
[08:55] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:25] <s-fox> o/
[11:29] <cjohnston> mornin
[11:30] <s-fox> o/ cjohnston
[11:30] <s-fox> How are you today?
[11:30] <cjohnston> alive
[11:31] <s-fox> Sounds positive ;)
[12:26] <cjohnston> balloons: ping
[12:32]  * jussi is feeling great! I hope everyone else can take a positive spin into today - cause at least one person in the world is feeling good :)
[12:59] <s-fox> jussi my positive meter must have the monday blues ;) lol
[13:02] <jussi> can anyone give me a very freely licensed (ie. no attribution needed) screenshot of a clean install of unity?
[13:08] <cprofitt> jussi: you need the default icons on the dash?
[13:08] <jussi> cprofitt: yes, straight clean if possible
[13:08] <cprofitt> I do not have access to such right now... I have a few changes on mine
[13:10] <cprofitt> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-IWqr3Tm7ElQ/T1pF3BV48LI/AAAAAAAAAOM/LjcGcGfrG3M/s994/Screenshot+at+2012-03-09+13%3A02%3A35.png
[13:10] <cprofitt> that is my current
[13:11] <cprofitt> just in case that helps
[13:12] <jussi> cprofitt: looks actually fine. I can use that freely? (commercially)
[13:12] <cprofitt> yep
[13:12] <jussi> cprofitt: thanks very much
[13:12] <cprofitt> np
[13:41] <jcastro> grrr irc
[13:44]  * jussi hugs jcastro
[13:44] <jussi> jcastro: what I said before :) [14:32:59] -*- jussi is feeling great! I hope everyone else can take a positive spin into today - cause at least one person in the world is feeling good :)
[13:45] <jcastro> hah
[13:45] <jcastro> touche`
[13:59] <snap-l> Just a point of reference: do not play jcastro in risk
[13:59] <snap-l> he will crush you.
[13:59] <jcastro> that's the first time
[13:59] <jcastro> I usually get wailed on
[13:59] <snap-l> poor poland, we barely knew ye.
[13:59] <snap-l> jcastro: Considering I've never played before, I'm surprised I lasted this long. :)
[14:00] <jcastro> the trick is to concentrate on a continent/color
[14:00] <jcastro> like in the cold war one
[14:00] <jcastro> you get a +3 if you have all of england and scottland
[14:00] <jcastro> so you try to move from clump tp clump
[14:01] <jcastro> but like, if you're Germany you might be in trouble
[14:01] <jcastro> in the other  game I ended up concentrated in germany, now I am surrounded
[14:05] <mhall119> should have invaded Russia
[14:05] <mhall119> that always works out well for Germany
[14:07] <snap-l> mhall119: Yeah. :)
[14:07] <nigelb> mhall119: lol
[14:08] <snap-l> Well, I'll know better for next time.
[14:08] <nigelb> This is the board game right?
[14:08] <nigelb> also. I fail today. I got stuck in the office for rush hour.
[14:08] <nigelb> Another 1 hour wait before I can get out of here :(
[14:14]  * dholbach is not available for comment
[14:16] <mhall119> lol
[14:16] <nigelb> hah
[14:21] <bkerensa> Good Morning
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, hey, going to be a few mins late
[15:00] <dholbach> sure sure
[15:00] <jono> :-)
[15:02] <dholbach> mhall119, jcastro: another nice comment we got in the dev advisory team: "I have received appreciation from many people like Michael Hall, Jorge Castro and yourself and this is very welcoming and also encouraging! It is a nice feeling when your work gets appreciated and noticed!"
[15:02] <jcastro> oh awesome
[15:02] <jcastro> it must be my nice clone
[15:02] <jcastro> speaking of awesome
[15:02] <dholbach> yeah, encouragement from jcastro is pretty rare
[15:03] <jcastro> I had an awesome experience getting a wireless bug fixed
[15:03] <mhall119> jcastro: nice clone, lol
[15:03] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/116015965439782966698/posts/72jvPPjb1x1
[15:03] <jcastro> I would  have not been able to do that in the past ^^
[15:04] <mhall119> dholbach: was that comment from someone on the dev advistory team, or an external developer?
[15:04] <dholbach> a new contributor we talked to
[15:05] <jcastro> obviously I paid him off
[15:05] <dholbach> haha
[15:06] <jono> dholbach, ok, one set
[15:06] <jono> sec
[15:08] <jono> dholbach, invite sent
[15:08] <mhall119> dholbach: nice!
[15:12] <jcastro> mhall119, are you jujuing on canonistack or just normal instances?
[15:12] <jcastro> yes, I used juju as a verb
[15:13] <akgraner> jcastro - I think juju can be used as every part of speech :-)
[15:15] <mhall119> jcastro: normal for now
[15:22] <jcastro> dpm, any word on disqus?
[15:23] <dpm> jcastro, ah, I had to come back to you on this one, sorry. I filed an RT ticket to deploy it a while ago, but IS haven't come back to me yet
[15:23] <jcastro> ok
[15:32] <jono> dpm, sorry will be two mins late
[15:33] <dpm> jono, no worries, no rush
[15:37] <technoviking> jcastro: We should have a chat with the FC and IS to set a firm date for the forums upgrade.
[15:37] <jcastro> ok
[15:38] <s-fox> probably a good idea
[15:38] <s-fox> :)
[15:38] <s-fox> dpm,  That announcement is now live btw.
[15:39] <technoviking> I was think we could launch soonish and call it beta till Ubuntu 12.04 is released
[15:39] <dpm> s-fox, yeah, I just read your e-mail, thanks a lot for your help :)
[15:41] <s-fox> dpm,  No worries.
[15:41] <jcastro> technoviking, hmm, I thought joeb made it so old threads weren't spidered by the googles?
[15:42] <technoviking> shrug thought so to, but think that happened after I left FC/admin
[15:43] <jcastro> s-fox, can you check into that?
[15:43] <jcastro> for example if you do a logged out search for "ubuntu broadcom" on google the first forum thread is from 2006
[15:43] <jono> dpm, ok, all set
[15:43] <jcastro> I thought we had fixed that
[15:43] <dpm> jono, ok!
[15:43] <cjohnston> jono: did you look at the community web themes for your css stuff?
[15:44] <jono> dpm, invite sent
[15:44] <jono> cjohnston, I already got a pretty rocking submission from Brandon
[15:44] <cjohnston> cool
[15:44] <s-fox> jcastro,  I'll see what the score is.
[15:45] <technoviking> jcastro: this thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683
[15:45] <jcastro> iirc joeb set it up so anything older than X wouldn't be indexed
[15:45] <jcastro> yeah, that one
[15:45] <s-fox> jcastro,  I thought it was anything in the archives
[15:45] <jcastro> s-fox, that'll work too
[15:45] <s-fox> That particular thread is not in the archives
[15:46] <jcastro> ok so do I flag it instead?
[15:47] <technoviking> Could we edit the thread and put in bold on front "This info is out of date!!!"
[15:47] <jcastro> or just remove it?
[15:47] <technoviking> jcastro: +1
[15:47] <jcastro> there's likely a newer thread that can just be reindexed
[15:47] <s-fox> -1 deletion. Archive is my preference.
[15:48] <jcastro> what possible good can that thread do?
[15:48] <s-fox> jcastro,  The information contained within that thread is 1 year out of date. It would be a great source of information for a newer thread to be created. Why start from scratch ?
[15:49] <technoviking> agree, as long as the thread is visible users will use it and possibly mess up their systems. It does a true dis-service for them
[15:50] <jcastro> looking at the newest page it doesn't appear to have correct information either
[15:51] <s-fox> jcastro,  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9573692&postcount=582
[15:51] <jcastro> I'm just saying that thread is hogging the google juice for more up to date broadcom questions
[15:53] <popey> lolcomments.
[15:53] <popey> How on earth is someone supposed to find comment number five hundred and eighty two?
[15:53] <s-fox> I found it without really trying popey
[15:53] <jcastro> it isn't about #582
[15:53] <jcastro> it's about post #1
[15:54] <jcastro> "I haven't had a Broadcom card for many months, but I've been told this how-to doesn't work properly under Dapper. Here are a couple of links that have been passed to me - but I can't vouch for their quality."
[15:54] <jussi> dapper...lol
[15:55] <s-fox> jcastro,  The original poster has the opportunity to update the thread with more recent information.
[15:55] <popey> s-fox: you're somewhat more experienced at this than most
[15:55] <s-fox> You mean I look at the last comments?
[15:55] <jcastro> ok so that guy bailed, so let's get rid of it!
[15:56] <bodhi_zazen> jcastro: We do not like to delete stuff from the database as it often causes problems, but I do not mind editing the first post
[15:56] <bodhi_zazen> Is there a link we should point to for more up to date information ?
[15:56] <jcastro> the link s-fox posted should be fine I guess
[15:57] <popey> that link is still two years old though
[15:57]  * bodhi_zazen looks on the wiki
[15:57] <jcastro> yeah
[15:57] <jcastro> link to the wiki result in the search
[15:58] <bodhi_zazen> this one ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[15:58] <jcastro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[15:58] <jcastro> there's a 2nd one on the wiki but it's a candidate for deletion
[15:58] <bodhi_zazen> Thanks
[15:58] <s-fox> The information would be better placed on the wiki, it allows for multiple people to update the information. As it stands only the OP and forum staff can update any post.
[15:59] <s-fox> And that is a general comment on the tutorials and tips section.
[15:59] <jcastro> is deletion a problem with vbulletin 4.x?
[16:03] <s-fox> jcastro,  Any thread can be deleted, the issue is people would complain "my post count dropped - WHY?"
[16:03] <jcastro> wait, what?
[16:04] <mhall119> that hardly seems like a valid reason to leave bad information around
[16:04] <jcastro> "sorry, your post had to be sacrificed for a greater good"
[16:04] <jcastro> or, if they want it to not be removed ... update it!
[16:05] <bodhi_zazen> How's that jcastro ?
[16:05] <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=125537#post125537
[16:05] <jcastro> ok better
[16:05] <jcastro> but is removing threads a technical problem or a social one?
[16:05] <technoviking> reducing post count should not be a reason to prevent the forums to provide the best information available
[16:06] <bodhi_zazen> technical problem
[16:06] <bodhi_zazen> The database is large, and tends to become unstable if posts are deleted
[16:06] <jcastro> ok do we know if vbulletin 4.x fixes this?
[16:06] <bodhi_zazen> Perhaps the upgrade will fix it
[16:06] <jcastro> ok
[16:06] <mhall119> unstable?  that doesn't sound good
[16:06] <bodhi_zazen> Yea, we sometimes have to backtrack deleted posts in #canonical-sysadmin
[16:07] <s-fox> I have been in contact with canonical information services regarding issues that have occured due to deletion of records.
[16:07] <s-fox> It hasn't been fun
[16:07] <technoviking> bodhi_zazen: that is due to the DB maintenance script not being run
[16:07] <bodhi_zazen> The database is several GB and deleting a post causes hiccups
[16:07] <mhall119> s-fox: has the cause been identified?
[16:07] <bodhi_zazen> technoviking: do you  know how to fix it ?
[16:07] <s-fox> mhall119,  Yes, deleting records does not update all database tables.
[16:08] <technoviking> something I have found in the upgrade
[16:08] <mhall119> s-fox: is that a bug in v-bulletin's delete code?
[16:08] <s-fox> mhall119,  I would say bug, yes.
[16:08] <mhall119> s-fox: is it filed somewhere? and is there a fix?
[16:08] <technoviking> i think, not sure what effect running the script has on forums access, and it does take awhile
[16:09] <s-fox> mhall119,  An update to the forum software would be a good starting place.
[16:09] <technoviking> but this they run automatically when going to vB4.
[16:09] <mhall119> s-fox: ok, what is the status of upgrading?  Are you in talks with IS about it?
[16:09] <jcastro> staging is upgraded
[16:09] <jcastro> so it's almost ready
[16:09] <mhall119> ok
[16:10] <technoviking> I have the theme on it and working on plugins now
[16:10] <jcastro> nice, the jira bugtracker makes you create a login
[16:10] <mhall119> s-fox: bodhi_zazen: if the delete problems can be fixed, is there any objections then to deleting old/invalid threads?
[16:10] <jcastro> so you can't just easily browse vbulletin bugs
[16:10]  * mhall119 dislikes jira
[16:11] <dholbach> brb
[16:11] <bodhi_zazen> I have no objections , would like to work with canonical to do a few test cases
[16:11] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: manual or automated?
[16:11] <bodhi_zazen> Would want to warn the community, I can see a flood of objections
[16:11] <technoviking> I have deleted thing on staging with zero issues
[16:11] <jcastro> it's ok I got flamed last time, I'd be happy to get flamed again
[16:11] <technoviking> it maybe a squid issue more than vB4.x
[16:11] <s-fox> mhall119,  -1 on automation . Just  because a thread is old does not always means that the information isn't accurate
[16:12] <bodhi_zazen> I would prefer to use it as an opportunity to ask the community to move to wiki for documentation, wiki is easier for peer review & maintance
[16:12] <mhall119> s-fox: I meant automated or manual testing
[16:12] <s-fox> +1 bodhi_zazen , wiki
[16:12] <s-fox> I would be in favor of closing the tutorial and tips section, asking people to submit to the wiki instead
[16:12] <technoviking> I'm just an old county sysadmin, and don't know about this fancy squid stuff:)
[16:12] <bodhi_zazen> So we should probably start closting tips and tutorials -> encourage wiki
[16:12] <bodhi_zazen> warn about old posts
[16:12] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: we're investigating a replacement for the wiki for help.u.c
[16:12] <s-fox> dholbach is here \o/
[16:12] <bodhi_zazen> I would like to see a better archiving method as well
[16:12] <dholbach> s-fox, I was here all the time :)
[16:13] <dholbach> I just rebooted to check out the new unity, etc
[16:13] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: it would probably be good if you or s-fox blog about the new direction and justification for it
[16:13] <bodhi_zazen> As a community , we should rival the Arch wiki
[16:13] <s-fox> +1 on arch wiki being amazing
[16:13] <jcastro> Our wiki sucks, I don't buy that the AW is that good.
[16:13] <bodhi_zazen> And we sort of need a 6 month archival cycle , in sync with release, but that is IMO
[16:13] <mhall119> SUMO, ftw!
[16:13] <jcastro> If my answer to users was "you suck for not being smart" then my wiki would be amazing too
[16:17] <s-fox> Perhaps all these changes would be better post upgrade, we're probably going to get a lot of "noise" from the forum community without going around deleting threads.
[16:19] <jcastro> and it's probably not a good idea to do it on 3.x anyway
[16:20] <s-fox> I think if we go down the delete route, we should be relying on the community to report the threads that need attention.
[16:25] <jcastro> sure
[16:25] <jcastro> what other way would we do it?
[16:25] <s-fox> Have the staff manually go through every thread in the section, which isn't going to be popular or especially practical
[16:26] <mhall119> +1 for community cleanup
[16:29] <s-fox> *what if* we copied the most active tutorials (140ish) to the wiki and then got the community to update them? mhall119  & jcastro
[16:30] <jcastro> sounds awesome
[16:50] <mhall119> +1 from me
[16:50] <jcastro> might want to find a bbcode -> moin script though to automate it
[16:50] <jcastro> or whatever format wiki+1 will use.
[16:51] <mhall119> mediawiki
[16:51] <s-fox> When is the wiki being updated?
[16:52] <s-fox> Oh I use mediawiki at work
[16:52] <mhall119> s-fox: we're evaluation mozilla's sumo app, no ETA on implementing it though
[16:52] <mhall119> for now let's just focus on the wiki we have
[16:53] <technoviking> ok testing forums is pretty much set, theme looks great
[16:53] <s-fox> Are we still waiting for new hardware? What are you trying to source?
[16:56] <jcastro> it's in the RT ticket
[16:56] <jcastro> he just posted an update
[16:56] <s-fox> What is the ticket number?
[16:56] <jcastro> 16733
[16:57] <ejat> mhall119: y u dislike jira ?
[16:57] <s-fox> Thank you
[16:57] <mhall119> ejat: it's been years since I used it, but I remember it being a pain
[16:58] <ejat> not user friendly ?
[16:58] <mhall119> yeah, not intuitive, etc
[16:58] <ejat> also use it to monitor my dev team
[16:59] <mhall119> all I remember was thinking that I was spending more time in jira than I should have
[16:59] <ejat> ouch ..
[16:59]  * ejat wondering if there is similar to TFS & MS Project on OSS
[17:00] <ejat> how about project-open ?
[17:01] <jono> mhall119, will be two secs and then will send an invite
[17:01] <ejat> mhall119: so whats is your recommendation other than jira ?
[17:02] <dholbach> alright my friends - I need to rush out to buy and organise a few things, so see you tomorrow
[17:02] <dholbach> big hugs
[17:02] <ejat> see ya dholbach
[17:03] <dholbach> bye ejat :)
[17:04] <ejat> 0_o
[17:07] <mhall119> ejat: I don't have one, not constructive I know
[17:08] <mhall119> I like Launchpad, but that's not as easy for other organizations to seteup
[17:08] <mhall119> other places I've used in-house built PHP progs that worked well
[17:08] <ejat> owh ..
[17:08] <ejat> okie ..
[17:09] <ejat> hopefully soon launchpad can have all the features need to run a project
[17:10] <ejat> and project monitoring .. or someone will do the API to charts with launchpad :)
[17:35] <bodhi_zazen> jcastro: and others - I started a discussion with the staff on how to best manage outdated information on the forums. Clearly we need to promote wiki and community effort, but, we also need to communicate with staff and the community in general to get the porcess started
[17:46] <balloons> s-fox, I saw your animated gif logo.. nice :-)
[17:48] <s-fox>  balloons thanks, though it has some flaws for the slide. I redid the slide using jquery image gallary with fade effect. I have it all in the slide framework ready to go but no idea how to get it to the maintainers :/
[17:49] <s-fox> balloons,  I have done a few now, did you see the one i posted on sunday ?
[17:50] <balloons> you posted to a thread I must have been subscribed to on the forums just a few mins ago
[17:50] <s-fox> Splendid =)
[17:51] <s-fox> It'd be great to get this in for the coming release, it is such a trivial change
[18:08] <s-fox> Goodbye, time to eat :D
[18:15] <balloons> bodhi_zazen, I remember efforts such as http://ubuntu-manual.org/ and http://ubuntuguide.org/.
[18:17] <balloons> As far as the forum, archiving discussions is a nice approach.. some areas of the forum work rather nicely with this. For example, the development release forum is archived each time there is a new release, and all discussions are point in time and specific to that release. Perhaps you could find a way to archive many more forum categories with each change in release
[18:19]  * balloons finally has all of unity 5.6 in his main precise archive.. upgrade here we come
[18:19]  * jcastro is just upgrading now
[18:19] <cjohnston> balloons: I'm hurt
[18:19] <balloons> cjohnston, I'm sorry!?
[18:20] <cjohnston> I pinged you :-(
[18:20] <cjohnston> and never heard back
[18:20] <cjohnston> :-P
[18:20] <cjohnston> balloons: http://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-q/+attend
[18:20] <cjohnston> please
[18:20]  * balloons ohh boy, losing pings
[18:21] <balloons> cjohnston, I clickity clicked your link.. I hope I didn't get myself into trouble
[18:21] <cjohnston> lol
[18:21] <cjohnston> I can't mark you as a lead unless you are attending
[18:22]  * balloons chuckles
[18:29] <jono> balloons, sorry, going to need to reschedule our call for a few hours time
[18:29] <balloons> cjohnston, does that mean I get my name in lights?
[18:29] <cjohnston> no
[18:29] <cjohnston> :-P
[18:29] <cjohnston> means you have more work to do
[18:30] <balloons> jono, no worries.. I'm rocking out on doing YAWP (yet another wiki page)
[18:30] <jono> brb call
[18:30] <jono> :-)
[18:35] <balloons> cprofitt, :-) time to ping you again for some wiki knowledge. In mediawiki, I could create little attention boxes to warn people for things, like deprecated pages etc. Two-fold question. Is there a similar thing in moinmoinwiki? How do I put a page on the wiki that is in progress -- ideally having a big WIP banner on the top or ?
[18:36] <cprofitt> balloons: go ahread...
[18:36] <cprofitt> hmm... yes
[18:37] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Wiki/Tasks
[18:37] <cprofitt> at least if I understand your question
[18:37] <cprofitt> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
[18:38] <balloons> ohh! yes, tags!
[18:39] <balloons> hmm.. the only issue is that if I tag my own page I'm working on, it's going to show up on a list for cleanup right?
[18:39] <balloons> I would probably use this: <<Include(Tag/NeedsExpansion)>>
[18:47] <bodhi_zazen> I would like to archive inactive threads every 6 months (so no activity in last 6-12 months archive)
[18:48] <cprofitt> if you use the content cleanup -- yes
[18:48] <cprofitt> but I think you could just put a 'do not modify note right below it'
[18:49] <mhall119> balloons: you at least get a shirt out of being a track lead
[18:49] <balloons> thanks cprofitt
[18:50] <cprofitt> balloons: np
[18:50] <balloons> mhall119, ohh.. nice
[18:50] <cprofitt> special shiny shirt!!
[18:50] <cprofitt> woot,
[18:50] <balloons> t-shirt's make every better
[18:50] <balloons> *everything better
[18:50] <mhall119> balloons: a limited-edition shirt too
[18:51]  * balloons is jealous of future balloons's t-shirt
[18:51] <mhall119> worn by *the* QA track lead at an actual UDS event
[18:52] <cprofitt> ebay will have precious few of those :-)
[18:53] <mhall119> it'll be worth a fortune!
[18:53] <jcastro> the track shirts are awesome
[18:53] <jcastro> robbie gave me some of his
[18:53] <jcastro> the bright orange pangolin one is so nice
[18:53] <balloons> pix?
[18:53] <cprofitt> I got shirts last UDS from Robbie -- the Skynet ones
[18:53] <balloons> cprofitt, ebay can have my t-shirt when it pries it off my dead body :-) lol
[18:54] <cprofitt> My son, daughter and I all had them -- we worse them all at once and quite a few questions.
[18:54] <cprofitt> balloons: lol
[18:55] <mhall119> balloons: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37955218@N08/6327838110/
[18:56] <cprofitt> mhall119: show him the other one... the one with Green
[18:56] <mhall119> cprofitt: that's all I found on flickr
[18:56] <mhall119> I don't know what green one you're referring to
[18:56] <balloons> mhall119, I saw the pic and I thought the mic was a stogey..
[18:57] <balloons> I think it's more epic that way.. stogey, off lighting... leaned back.. gangsta posing
[18:57] <mhall119> that'd be one big cigar
[18:57] <balloons> :-)
[18:57] <balloons> cool shirt tho
[19:01] <cprofitt> balloons: Robbie - http://tinyurl.com/6v3b9mx
[19:02] <balloons> NICE!
[19:28] <jcastro> hey balloons
[19:47] <balloons> ohh hey jcastro i missed your message in the join/parts :-)
[19:48] <mhall119> balloons: you should set it to ignore join/parts
[19:49]  * balloons likes the join/parts :-)
[19:49] <jcastro> nm
[19:49] <jcastro> I thought I found something cool with the launcher in twinview but I was wrong
[19:49] <balloons> but I suppose that makes sense if I keep missig convo's
[19:49] <balloons> ohh..
[19:49] <balloons> gotcha, yea
[19:49] <balloons> well, i need to talk to the unity guys again about that.. it's on the list
[20:00] <jono> balloons, all set to chat?
[20:00] <balloons> sure sure
[20:00] <jcastro> I just get happy saying balloons
[20:01] <jcastro> I envision happy bunnies running around and stuff
[20:01] <jcastro> and candy
[20:01] <jono> balloons, sent
[20:02] <balloons> pink bunnies.. jcastro, maybe some lime green too
[20:05] <balloons> jono.. ohh.. it may be ubuntu one crushing my upload bandwidth again
[20:05] <balloons> lemme look
[20:06] <jono> balloons, aha!
[20:06] <jono> balloons, invite sent
[20:06] <balloons> kk
[20:06] <balloons> ugh
[20:07] <balloons> yea.. something is amiss
[20:07] <balloons> fully sapped on upload speed
[20:07] <balloons> does u1 respect your upload speed settings
[20:07] <balloons> it ignores mine :-(
[20:57] <jcastro> <-- EOD in 5
[20:58] <jcastro> last call for alcohol!
[20:58] <bkerensa> =o
[20:58] <bkerensa> balloons: I cannot get U1 to upload fast enough
[20:58] <bkerensa> :P
[20:59] <jussi> jcastro: so finish your whickey and beer
[20:59] <jussi> whiskey*
[21:00] <jussi> ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TubHXvBDt0w )
[21:01] <jussi> (although the semisonic version was better)
[21:02] <jcastro> or you could say no version was better
[21:02] <jcastro> :)
[21:03] <jussi> jcastro: people are allowed to like music that doesnt work for you ;)
[21:03] <jcastro> when this song came out I told all my friends "get used to this, we're going to hear this song at every bar for the next decade."
[21:03] <jcastro> :(
[21:04] <jcastro> ok EOD for real, cya all tomorrow
[21:04] <bkerensa> ;p
[21:25] <balloons> bkerensa, that's funny.. hehe
[21:26] <balloons> peace jcastro
[23:27] <bkerensa> mhall119: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
[23:27] <bkerensa> wat


[18:22] <tjaalton> nvidia experts here?
[18:22] <tjaalton> looks like it wasn't tested with trusty lts-xenial
[18:23] <tjaalton> 340 & 352 hang hard
[18:23] <tjaalton> any ideas welcome
[18:28] <tjaalton> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21791021/
[18:33] <tjaalton> 14.04.5 should be released on thursday :)
[18:33] <tjaalton> and nvidia is completely broken on it


[00:02] <mterry> cjwatson, thanks for quick review!  It was too quick.  I tried to put the merge in WIP mode, but you must have reviewed before I did that.  If you'll look at it again, it should be better
[00:02] <cjwatson> I saw the WIP but thought it might be worth saying anyway
[00:02] <xxiao> ok works
[00:03] <xxiao> had to /bin/sh in to passwd then reboot
[00:04] <mterry> cjwatson, well I had been an idiot and forgot about pkexec stripping DISPLAY.  So I had to redo it altogether after I thought to at least test it  :)  Thankfully synaptic ships a pkexec version now, and I don't think we need to stress about cddistupgrader, assuming the "Suggests" status is appropriate for it
[00:04] <mterry> In the sense that update-notifier-common merely Suggests gksu
[00:05] <cjwatson> re-reviewed
[00:06] <xxiao> hold on...i am inside ubuntu-core as the rootfs over nfs, the thing does not include ifconfig/dhcp then how can I get an ip then do apt-get? is this just for chroot then add stuff?
[00:06] <sarnold> xxiao: is 'ip' installed?
[00:06] <cjwatson> ubuntu-core is intended as a base chroot that you add more things to as needed
[00:07] <xxiao> sarnold: thanks forgot that :) it's there
[00:07] <xnox> xxiao: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core   bring your own bootloader, kernel, configs
[00:07] <xnox> xxiao: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core/InstallationExample
[00:18] <xxiao> cjwatson: ubuntu-core also works as a standalone rootfs, the only thing I need is to change root passwd for ttyS0 access, now i can apt-get
[00:20] <cjwatson> xxiao: well, sure, but it's not guaranteed to have things like useful networking :-)
[00:21] <cjwatson> if you can use it standalone that's a bonus
[00:21] <xxiao> so far so good, loading stuff to it now
[00:30] <bryce> @pilot out
[01:22] <xxiao> BenC: 13.04 rootfs is basically usable, until kvm is needed that is
[01:23] <BenC> xxiao: How do you mean?
[01:25] <xxiao> BenC: could not install qemu-kvm
[01:26] <xxiao> i am installing folsom which pulls in kvm
[01:29] <xxiao> dumb me, kvm is not enabled in the kernel yet
[03:43] <infinity> xnox: Both those Debian ports are unfficial for a reason.  They're largely unnecessary, but fun toys.
[03:43] <infinity> xnox: (Well, and spe is also usually mostly broken, so could never meet the release port criteria)
[05:57] <pitti> Good morning
[05:59] <pitti> infinity: want me to mass-copy all the precise langpacks to -updates?
[06:01] <infinity> pitti: If you think they're as validated as we can manage, go nuts.
[06:02] <pitti> infinity: they haven't gone through the usual validation cycle of per-language community testing in that short time, of course
[06:02] <pitti> infinity: we can do that, of course; but at least for the languages on the images we probably want to copy them to reduce size
[06:02] <infinity> pitti: The images are still building from -proposed currently, I believe.  Though, that should change.
[06:03] <infinity> Oh, maybe they're not anymore.
[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[07:20] <dholbach> wow, xsensors tell me it's 95°C
[07:23] <mvo> dholbach: hey! does "cat /proc/acpi/ibm/thermal " tell that as well?
[07:23] <dholbach> mvo, file does not exist :)
[07:24] <dholbach> but ../fan says "speed: 4485" :)
[07:25] <mvo> dholbach: :)
[07:47] <ajmitch> dholbach: I'd say that was a bit warm, but my old laptop was topping out at 105 when it was spamming syslog about throttling power :)
[07:47] <dholbach> ajmitch, I'm back to 58°C already :)
[07:47] <dholbach> it might have been the two builds which were running :)
[07:47] <ajmitch> possibly :)
[08:59] <pitti> "Fetched 14.1 MB in<PHONE_NUMBER>34601d 6h 0min 40s (0 B/s)" -- go apt!
[09:00] <pitti> looongest update evar
[09:00] <pitti> (it really just took some 5 seconds, FTR)
[09:07] <astraljava> It just felt like 5 seconds, it actually took longer than what the range for time data type allows, and started over from the negative end.
[09:10] <soren> pitti: wtf? Did ntpdate run in the middle of the apt-get run?
[09:13] <soren> pitti: Yeah, that adds up. 15 seconds real runtime, a clock that goes an hour backwards and then 64 bit timestamp.
[09:14] <pitti> soren: perhaps; it was a freshly booted VM
[09:14] <soren><PHONE_NUMBER>34601d 6h 0min 40s is<PHONE_NUMBER>3709548040 seconds. 2^64 is<PHONE_NUMBER>3709551616. -
[09:14] <soren><PHONE_NUMBER>3709548040-18446744073709551616 = -3576
[09:15] <soren> An hour minus 14 seconds backwards.
[09:20] <pitti> hah, neat
[10:01] <cjwatson> infinity: I haven't changed them to point to -updates yet; if somebody else has it would be nice if they'd told me ...
[10:06] <Laney> hmm, I don't think the old gksu u-n caused a root browser to be spawned, did it?
[10:09] <cjwatson> Laney: a root *browser*?
[10:10] <Laney> root     10972  7.3  0.4<PHONE_NUMBER>16 ?       Sl   10:05   0:01      |           \_ /usr/lib/firefox/firefox https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmod/+filebug/f4e681b0-6c56-11e2-8e58-0025b3df357a?field.title=kmod+assert+failure%3A+modprobe%3A+..%2Ftools%2Fmodprobe.c%3A550%3A+print_action%3A+Assertion+%60kmod_module_get_initstate%28m%29+%3D%3D+KMOD_MODULE_BUILTIN%27+failed.
[10:11] <cjwatson> bless you
[10:11] <cjwatson> oh, right, so apport launches firefox ... hmm
[10:12] <Laney> I wonder why it worked properly when gksuing though
[10:12] <cjwatson> apport has a thing to look at SUDO_UID
[10:12] <Laney> I always just got an additional tab in my existing browser session
[10:12] <Laney> ah, so that's not passed along any more
[10:13]  * cjwatson wonders if pkexec sets anything usefuPKEXEC_UID=1000
[10:13] <cjwatson> er, yeah, mangled, but YKWIM
[10:13] <cjwatson> pitti: would it be reasonable for apport to check PKEXEC_UID as well as SUDO_UID?
[10:15] <pitti> cjwatson: yes, absolutely; I'll fix that now
[10:15] <cjwatson> thanks
[10:15] <cjwatson> Laney: thanks for the report
[10:16] <Laney> sure
[10:16] <pitti> yeah, thanks Laney
[10:16] <Laney> It was a "WTF, where's vimperator?" that tipped me off
[10:18] <pitti> hm, why don't I get a notification for that in the first place now
[10:24] <pitti> oh, I do; compiz put apport in the back
[10:24] <pitti> it seems to do that for new windows now
[10:25] <ogra> pitti, now ? i have that in precise on my desktop
[10:28] <pitti> cjwatson, Laney: uploaded, thanks for reporting
[10:29] <Laney> great, thank you
[13:55] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: hi, would it be possible to merge a new live-build from debian? alternatively, just apply the patch from here : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=693250 ?
[13:55] <shadeslayer> I've tested the patch and it works for me
[13:56] <shadeslayer> ( using live-build from raring ofcourse )
[14:31] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: OK - I'd rather merge than cherry-pick, but not sure I'll quite get to it today
[14:31] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: but on my to-do list now
[14:31] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: sure, no problem :)
[14:31] <shadeslayer> and thanks!
[14:31] <cjwatson> (we're a bit further behind than I'd realised)
[14:32] <xxiao> interesting, lunbuntu has ppc version iso
[14:32] <shadeslayer> yeah, I noticed they released 4.0 O_O
[14:32] <xxiao> precise 12.04
[14:32] <shadeslayer> they're like ultra quick
[14:32] <cjwatson> well, I wouldn't merge from experimental
[14:33] <Quintasan> Laney: Did you upload maliit-framework to Debian?
[14:36] <mpt> ev, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#settings-developer
[14:39] <Laney> Quintasan: sure did
[14:39] <Laney> you can fetch the packages from raring NEW
[14:39] <Quintasan> Laney: Do you have appropriate powers in Ubuntu to sync the package?
[14:39] <Laney> I have ALL the powers
[14:39] <Quintasan> :D
[14:40] <Quintasan> I'VE GOT THE POWER!
[14:40] <Quintasan> Laney: Can you sync it then?
[14:40]  * Laney gyrates
[14:40]  * Laney hands the mind bleach to anyone reading
[14:40] <Laney> Quintasan: yeah, when it gets accepted I can
[14:40] <Quintasan> Laney: Splendid. I'll throw plugins your way when I'm done with them
[14:41] <Laney> Quintasan: Oh, I uploaded that one too
[14:41] <Quintasan> Laney: You did that already?
[14:41] <Laney> but I can reupload any improvements over the top of what's already there
[14:41]  * Quintasan hides
[14:41] <Laney> yeah I said in the email
[14:41] <Quintasan> Well, I'll take a look but I doubt there is anything I can improve there
[14:42] <Laney> I'm sure there will be :-)
[14:42] <Quintasan> Ha, it seems like a challenge.
[14:42] <amitk> /quit/quit
[16:43] <zyga> cjwatson: do you know if it's possible to use pybuild to generate packages for 12.04+
[16:48] <cjwatson> zyga: You may have mistaken me for a pybuild expert
[16:49] <cjwatson> zyga: But, AFAIK, you won't be able to build *on* 12.04/12.10 unless somebody has backported pybuild; however the binary packages that pybuild produces don't in themselves require anything special
[16:49] <xnox> zyga: the binaries should be usable on 12.04, but pybuild itself is not available on precise, so it will not be able to build there.
[16:49] <zyga> ah
[16:49] <zyga> so if my desire is to release a new package of my own library I should be able to build it on raring (the source package), push to a ppa and just copy to other releases?
[16:50] <xnox> yes
[16:50] <zyga> will I need to manually modify the changelog per package to get it to co-exist in all systems?
[16:51] <xnox> only the top version wins, so you'll either have the same binary (and hence the same version number) across all - or you don't use pybuild and upload source package per release
[16:52] <xnox> (or e.g. use a recipe to do those)
[16:52] <zyga> hmm
[16:52] <xnox> zyga: packaging without pybuild is easy and has been done before.
[16:52] <zyga> I'm _probably_ fine with using the same binary
[16:52] <xnox> zyga: do you have both python2 and 3 or just one python series?
[16:52] <zyga> yeah, I know, I just feel annoyed each time I want to package a trivial pure python package
[16:52] <xnox> %:
[16:53] <xnox>        dh $@ --with python2
[16:53] <xnox> done.
[16:53] <zyga> that has a library (for 2k,3k pythons), maybe a few command line programs (this time none) and some shared data, and docs
[16:53] <zyga> well, I want py3k too
[16:53] <xnox> make a second source package
[16:53] <xnox> %:
[16:53] <xnox>          dh $@ --with python3
[16:53] <zyga> what?
[16:53] <zyga> why two source packages?
[16:53] <xnox> done and it works across all precise -> raring in PPA.
[16:53] <zyga> I mean, duplicate debian/ directory or just another entry in control
[16:53] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, wait, PROPOSED moved from being an environment twiddle in cron to an etc/config file thing, didn't it?  I live in the past.
[16:54] <xnox> well sed the top line in changelog, source & package names in control, & python2 -> python3 in debian/rules.
[16:54] <zyga> xnox: could you show me an exampl?
[16:54] <infinity> cjwatson: So, yeah, no one switched it, I was just mistakenly looking at crontab. :P
[16:54] <xnox> zyga: hehe =) or I can just upload pybuild backport into precise & quantal ;-)
[16:55] <cjwatson> infinity: it's in a couple of places still, I think
[16:56] <xnox> zyga: I am yet to figure out if pybuild lets me choose what shebang the scripts have (e.g. python2 or 3)
[16:57] <zyga> xnox: normally I generate scripts with setuptools
[16:57] <zyga> xnox: IIRC there were parts in dh_python that sed them to be right
[16:59] <infinity> cjwatson: Well, the two usual suspects, cdimage/etc/config and debian-cd/CONF.sh ... Except, curiously, the latter is commented out.
[16:59] <infinity> cjwatson: Have we only been half-proposed this whole time? :P
[16:59] <PrincessLuna> Are the multitouch patches for kernel 3.8 included in the rc5?
[17:01] <roadmr> ev: how to get access to stack traces on errors.ubuntu.com? (I get stuck in the infamous login loop)
[17:01] <cjwatson> infinity: oh, I fixed bug 1023991 and forgot about it
[17:01] <micahg> zyga: xnox: I'd be happy to process a backport request for pybuild if someone files the request with requestbackport and does the testing
[17:01] <cjwatson> stgraber fixed most of it, actually
[17:02] <cjwatson> infinity: I've cleaned up the bit in CONF.sh
[17:03] <ev> roadmr: you need to be in ~canonical-ubuntu-platform
[17:04] <cjwatson> infinity: so, I don't know.  my gut feel is that I'd still like a few more things in -updates to avoid impeding verification.
[17:04] <ev> roadmr: slangasek is working with legal on an NDA for this
[17:06] <roadmr> ev: I see.. so is it best to wait for that, or is there an interim process, like getting help from someone with access?
[17:06] <xnox> micahg: I'd like to first test and see that it does everything it says to do on the tin ;-)
[17:06] <roadmr> ev: I want to look at stack traces for auto-reported checkbox crashes, but I guess it's not urgent, after all there's still plenty of time to fix bugs
[17:07] <micahg> xnox: please do :)
[17:07] <infinity> cjwatson: Yeah, I'm in no massive rush to do switch flippery.  It just came up because pitti was chomping at the bit to copy langpacks, not realising we were still building against proposed and, thus, building with the new ones already.
[17:07] <ev> roadmr: there's no alternative process yet, but I can't imagine it taking much longer. slangasek will be able to say for sure. If it does look like it's some time off, we can add additional teams, but I'd like to run that by elmo if we're going to do it.
[17:08] <infinity> cjwatson: s/copy/promote/
[17:08] <roadmr> ev: ok, understood. I'll wait then :) thanks!
[17:09] <ev> sure thing
[17:09] <cjwatson> infinity: aye
[17:43] <slangasek> ev: it's still a ways off, so if there's a pressing need I would suggest working around it
[17:43] <ev> noted, thanks
[17:51]  * cjwatson gets down to fifteen remaining Ubuntu deltas in grub2 (and 4300+ lines of changelog diff due to all the "remaining changes" entries)
[17:51] <cjwatson> I wonder if I can get that to zero for 13.04
[18:04] <roaksoax> slangasek: howdy!! I ws wondering somthing about the MAAS stuff. So when we continue to include the yui3/raphael libraries within the source, wouldn't there be a conflict when sruing the same upstream version to both quantal and precise, because the source package differs from each other (quantal no yui3 libs, precise will have those libs), as what happens in PPAs?
[18:05] <roaksoax> s/source package/upstream tarball
[18:12] <slangasek> roaksoax: you could possibly add the yui3 and raphael bits into the debian packaging rather than the upstream tarball?  that might be easiest
[18:14] <roaksoax> slangasek: yeah that indeed seems to be the easiest
[18:28] <bdmurray> pitti: these nexus7 stacktraces don't seem very helpful bug 1112443
[18:30] <slangasek> that looks like the error I was seeing when first trying to get cross-retracing working
[18:53] <jtaylor> why does python-imaging have such a weird version number?
[18:54] <jtaylor> nevermind, says in the changelog
[19:51] <wjtaylor_> Is ubuntu associated with ubuntuupdates.org? Or is this a 3rd party collecting packages and forming ppas?
[19:54] <roadmr> wjtaylor_: read here: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/about
[23:52] <infinity> ev: Any plans to upload a fixed whoopsie?


[04:49] <philipballew> Physics, Whoever invented it must be a smart individual...
[05:34] <philipballew> made it there I see kdub
[05:34] <philipballew> unless your planes crash site has wifi...
[05:39] <kdub> On the bart
[05:39] <bkerensa> philipballew: so I just confirmed with someone who is on-site for UDS now
[05:39] <kdub> This is mildly scary :P
[05:39] <bkerensa> and when you check-in just tell you decline incidentals and they will not require the card
[05:39] <bkerensa> ;D
[05:39] <bkerensa> jono's team arrived early :P
[05:39] <philipballew> kdub, the bart is awesome!
[05:39] <bkerensa> kdub: where on the BART system are you now?
[05:40] <philipballew> sounds good bkerensa
[05:41] <kdub> Lul, by the oakland stadium
[05:41] <bkerensa> heh
[05:41] <bkerensa> kdub: u arrived pretty early
[05:41] <bkerensa> :D
[05:47] <philipballew> Im gonna see a game there this next week probably
[05:48] <philipballew> bkerensa, so by incidentals you mean insurance?
[05:49] <philipballew> as in I cant party hard, wreck the place then just walk away?
[05:49] <bkerensa> philipballew: incidentals = Pay Per View Movies, Room Service, International Calls etc
[05:49] <bkerensa> philipballew: we get Wifi for free ;)
[05:49] <bkerensa> so for any of that stuff you would have to have a card on file or a cash deposit
[05:50] <philipballew> I would never do anything like that myself
[05:51] <philipballew> the hotel's charge an arm and a lef for that. I could easily bring my own dvd player to the hotel with my own movies and hook it up to their tv
[05:51] <philipballew> *leg
[05:51] <pleia2> isn't it sad that the first thing I think of when I think of bart being scary is bart cops shooting people?
[05:52] <philipballew> What a tragic day, that was made even more tragic as it was blown up by the media solely for the sake of making a profit.
[05:53] <philipballew> I once rode the light rail in sac and the train in front of us ran over someone and cut them in half.
[05:53] <philipballew> thats scary
[05:54] <pleia2> yeah, I was on a bart train coming home from the airport when it hit someone (well, they jumped in front of the train, suicide)
[05:54] <pleia2> we got to evacuate in a bart tunnel, it was all kinds of excitement
[05:54] <philipballew> what a sad way to die.
[05:54] <pleia2> and sad, I felt a bit anxious and sick the next time I had to ride bart
[05:55] <philipballew> Makes you wonder what happens in their life that does not happen in mine.
[05:56] <philipballew> with so many sucide prevention programs out there via churches and government programs sometimes you wonder, but for some people they will not make the first move to get help. Only accept when somebody offers.
[05:56] <pleia2> hopelessness is a powerful thing
[05:58] <bkerensa> pleia2: this happened today?
[05:58] <bkerensa> =/
[05:58] <pleia2> bkerensa: no, a few months ago
[05:58] <bkerensa> oh
[05:58] <bkerensa> >.<
[05:58] <bkerensa> still bad
[05:58] <philipballew> Indeed it is. As fellow human beings I believe it is our job to help out our brothers and sisters who are struggling.
[05:58] <pleia2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhNBCRggdYg
[05:58]  * pleia2 took a video of the evacuation ^^
[05:58] <bkerensa> I have always feared the might bart.... I always think somehow the wind of the tunnels will suck me onto the third rail
[05:58] <bkerensa> :(
[05:59] <bkerensa> mighty*
[05:59] <philipballew> gotta help a brother out is the slang today I think
[05:59] <bkerensa> pleia2: there are fun times on bart too though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtZyA0GPKM
[05:59] <pleia2> bkerensa: most times on bart are good :)
[05:59] <pleia2> MarkDude has gone on as a penguin
[05:59] <bkerensa> pleia2: so uhh what were you walking on in the tunnel?
[06:00] <pleia2> bkerensa: yes
[06:00] <bkerensa> I would totally refuse to get off the train
[06:00] <bkerensa> :(
[06:00] <bkerensa> im cool on all that
[06:00] <bkerensa> there are huge rats and electrical rails and such
[06:00] <MarkDude> Wow
[06:00] <pleia2> I like rats
[06:01] <MarkDude> I would feel better if wearing rthe penguin suit during evacuation
[06:01] <pleia2> hehe
[06:01] <MarkDude> I would take charge
[06:01] <philipballew> when I was there in sac when I saw the body, my brother has the stupic idea taking pictures of the body was a good idea. GOt talked to by sac pd
[06:01] <philipballew> *stupid
[06:01] <philipballew> *got
[06:01] <MarkDude> and tell people which direction to head- while motioning with my flippers
[06:01] <pleia2> the whole situation was a mess, they kept being like "ok, now we're going to bring the other train up to this one and you'll walk across a platform ....scratch that, we'll think of something else"
[06:01] <MarkDude> People *would hella * listen
[06:01] <pleia2> ..like they've never done this before?!
[06:02] <MarkDude> Well they have pics of how to do it
[06:02] <pleia2> hehe
[06:02] <bkerensa> pleia2: I like rats too... I own one but not the kind in the tunnels
[06:02] <MarkDude> But they dont really know
[06:02] <bkerensa> those are like cambodian river rats
[06:02] <bkerensa> :D
[06:02] <pleia2> everyone was very nice though :)
[06:02] <philipballew> i like rats the size of dogs
[06:02] <pleia2> even the cops who had to interview everyone on the train
[06:03]  * MarkDude avoids making jokes about being scared of bart cops
[06:03] <MarkDude> depending on color range
[06:03] <pleia2> MarkDude: I took care of it
[06:03] <pleia2> 22:51:13 < pleia2> isn't it sad that the first thing I think of when I think of bart being scary is bart cops shooting people?
[06:04] <philipballew> Dont taze me bro!
[06:04] <MarkDude> Well sadly, based on color
[06:04] <pleia2> then we decided that trains hitting people was scary, and then you joined :)
[06:04] <bkerensa> Portland was bad today http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/0/6/e/06e955d0-c00d-4f88-ab5d-783478608b58/Story.jpg
[06:04] <pleia2> and yeah, I'd be pretty safe from bart cops, as would penguin MarkDude
[06:04] <bkerensa> so glad I didnt go downtown
[06:05] <philipballew> I wonder if the person shot was wearing a "hoodie"
[06:05] <pleia2> bkerensa: oh my, what's going on?
[06:05] <MarkDude> Well, its one of the few areas I feel white Privilege
[06:05]  * MarkDude knoww he he has it, but never thinks of it
[06:05] <philipballew> I feel it in sd everyday
[06:06] <bkerensa> pleia2: uhh apparently the occupy folk decided to throw smoke bombs all day
[06:06] <bkerensa> http://columbian.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2012/05/01/X216_18CC_9_t640.jpg?a6ea3ebd4438a44b86d2e9c39ecf7613005fe067
[06:06] <pleia2> bkerensa: oh dear :(
[06:06] <bkerensa> cop pulling a guy off his bicycle
[06:06] <bkerensa> ^
[06:06] <bkerensa> yeah its been pretty bad here
[06:06] <philipballew> Its weird to be in City Heights and then go on back to where I live in Point Loma and see the big difference of the way people look
[06:06]  * bkerensa was watching video on KGW earlier and cops were batoning people who were already handcuffed
[06:06] <bkerensa> :(
[06:06] <pleia2> :(
[06:07] <MarkDude> WHO watches the watchers......
[06:07] <philipballew> I got called a idiot by a cop last friday
[06:07] <pleia2> we do! public outrage!
[06:07] <MarkDude> Walnut Creek police, I fell vary safe around them, and would only be worried about tickets
[06:07] <philipballew> I was riding critical mass though. I think everybody hates Critical Mass
[06:07] <MarkDude> Oakland PD scares the hell out of me
[06:07] <bkerensa> MarkDude: funny you say that
[06:08] <bkerensa> MarkDude: there was a sureveillance van parked at Orenco Station in Hillsboro in a non-parking zone and some guy setup a webcam to watch the van
[06:08] <bkerensa> :D
[06:08] <pleia2> I used to work 3rd shift at a gas station, I've had far more friendly encounters with cops than otherwise
[06:08] <MarkDude> philipballew, Critical Mas loves Portland, they stopped their shutdowns there
[06:08] <pleia2> as an 18 year old girl working alone at night in a gas station they looked out for me
[06:09] <MarkDude> pleia2, me too
[06:09] <philipballew> MarkDude, yeah. We run all the redlghts and tend to get high fives from the people in cars, but yelled at by cops
[06:09] <MarkDude> BUT, Oakland is notorious
[06:09] <MarkDude> Google Rough Riders
[06:09] <MarkDude> they got matching tattoos
[06:09] <MarkDude> planted evidence
[06:09] <pleia2> is there anything in Oakland that isn't scary? :)
[06:09] <MarkDude> and beat folks regularly
[06:09] <pleia2> the California Museum isn't scary! that place is awesome
[06:09] <MarkDude> HIPPIES
[06:10] <pleia2> and the A's <3
[06:10] <MarkDude> they have lots of those
[06:10] <MarkDude> Yes the A;s
[06:10] <pleia2> the Raiders are scary :)
[06:10]  * MarkDude was just going to say that
[06:10] <MarkDude> lol
[06:10] <pleia2> hehe
[06:11] <philipballew> Berkley is nice
[06:11] <MarkDude> Yes it is
[06:11] <MarkDude> Altho it can be silly
[06:11]  * philipballew didn't get accepted there
[06:11] <pleia2> there is a lot of granola there
[06:11] <pleia2> :)
[06:12] <bkerensa> Im kind of glad the occupation got shut down here... I dont much like income inequality or bailouts but I also didnt like the drug haven our city parks turned into
[06:12] <bkerensa> =/
[06:12] <pleia2> bkerensa: yeah, there was a lot of vandalism and not cool stuff happening at ours too
[06:12] <bkerensa> yeah
[06:12] <bkerensa> I went down to the parks
[06:12] <bkerensa> and have people uhh Linux
[06:12] <bkerensa> :)
[06:12] <MarkDude> My friend was interviewed by detectives from there, for a serious crime. they said he matched th picture- (of a black dude. and my friend is half Filipino, half Irish
[06:12] <philipballew> One day drugs will be legalized and something else will be the new drug
[06:13] <bkerensa> and it was a hot mess.... lots of littering... pollution.... drugs... alcohol.... crazy people yelling at media and cops
[06:13] <philipballew> I say we make fruit illegal. All the kids will be rebels and eat fruit.
[06:13] <MarkDude> lol
[06:13] <bkerensa> Illegal Dog Fighting: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bkerensa/6338683191/in/set-72157627710899733/
[06:13] <bkerensa> it was all bad
[06:13] <pleia2> maybe vegetables
[06:13] <philipballew> Carrot party!!!
[06:15] <bkerensa> :D
[06:15] <pleia2> ok, open week starts tomorrow which means I need to get to bed so I can be up early
[06:16] <pleia2> good night :)
[06:16] <bkerensa> gnight
[06:17] <philipballew> who ever invented college finals. I really dislike you right now
[06:17] <dax> I feel the same way about whoever invented annotated bibliographies.
[06:18] <MarkDude> Laters pleia2
[06:18] <dax> although at least we get to pick our own sources, so I'm annotating things like K&R and _Free Software, Free Society_
[06:18] <philipballew> dax, wanna teach me physics?
[06:18] <dax> which bit of it?
[06:18] <philipballew> hum. Im working on mass vs weight right now
[06:19] <dax> ah, classical mechanics? that's kinda fun
[06:19] <dax> ball goes up in air, ball comes down, model using math*
[06:19] <dax> * assume that friction, non-vacuums, and things that aren't spheres don't exist
[06:20] <philipballew> and then it lands and friction comes into play
[06:32] <bkerensa> Darkwing: Does BlueSystems realize that distrowatch rankings are worthless?
[06:33] <dax> Distrowatch rankings are extremely useful. When someone cites them as a useful source for distribution userbase, you know not to listen to the rest of their argument \o/
[06:35] <philipballew> how does distrowatch get their numbers?
[06:35] <philipballew> Id say the biggest dirsto out there is hands down debian
[06:36] <dax> philipballew: page views on distrowatch's site
[06:36] <philipballew> because its the base of all of ubuntu, linux mint
[06:37] <philipballew> dax, I should write s acript to view the gentoo page 100,000 times a day. See if I can make it number 1
[06:37] <dax> When you visit http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint , it increases the distrowatch ranking for Mint slightly, which leads to people writing articles about Mint being popular on Distrowatch, so people to go Mint's distrowatch page to see, so Mint's distrowatch ranking goes up...
[06:37] <dax> same thing happened with Ubuntu in the past. The site's completely useless for statistical purposes.
[06:39] <philipballew> ubuntu has more twitter followers
[06:40] <bkerensa> wait
[06:40]  * philipballew waits
[06:41] <bkerensa> pleia2 said she was going to bed for open week? but what happened to ask mark
[06:41] <bkerensa> http://ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com/2012/05/01/ask-mark-on-may-1st-ubuntu-open-week-from-may-2-4/
[06:41] <bkerensa> that was supposedly today?
[06:41] <philipballew> bkerensa, it happened
[06:41] <philipballew> 2 to 3 pm
[06:41] <bkerensa> philipballew: oh
[06:41] <bkerensa> the blog post was also today so I thought someone got confused
[06:41] <bkerensa> philipballew: what channel was it in?
[06:41] <philipballew> bkerensa, you should lead a session tomorow. there is an open slot
[06:41] <bkerensa> LOL
[06:41] <bkerensa> not a chance
[06:41] <bkerensa> :D
[06:42]  * bkerensa will be sleeping like a baby
[06:42] <philipballew> why not?
[06:42] <bkerensa> ^
[06:42] <bkerensa> I do not wake early :)
[06:42] <philipballew> i wake early and stay up late. A bad combo
[06:43] <bkerensa> philipballew: I stay up till like 2-3am
[06:43] <bkerensa> :D
[06:43] <bkerensa> sometimes 5am
[06:43] <philipballew> what do you do?
[06:45] <bkerensa> philipballew: Various projects
[06:45] <bkerensa> mostly wordpress dev stuff
[06:46] <philipballew> usually If I am up late I am working on my bike or doing something with tools
[06:46] <bkerensa> oh
[06:46] <bkerensa> I thought you meant for living
[06:46] <bkerensa> well most nights.... just hacking on some Juju... reading lots of news.... lots of blog reading
[06:46] <bkerensa> :D
[06:48] <philipballew> for a living a fix point Loma Nazarene computer hardware
[06:48] <bkerensa> philipballew: Its funny because I go through weird sleeping phases... Last year I went to bed by 7pm every night and woke at 4am
[06:48] <philipballew> Broken mobo, let me fix that
[06:50] <philipballew> I just mad a custom ubuntu os that someone is going to put on laptops and give to pastors in Urban LA and also Africa. Its really pumped about it.
[06:50] <philipballew> s/its/im
[06:53] <philipballew> bkerensa, finals week has destroyed my sleep pattern. I will hopefully be able to survive uds with this messed up sleep pattern
[06:54] <dax> My sleep pattern's doing okay, if you discount naps. I've been avoiding caffeine and it seems to be helping.
[06:54] <philipballew> 6th cup today
[06:55] <dax> yeah, see, all that's doing is setting you up to be horribly tired in a few hours
[06:56] <philipballew> rrue, but ill manage as long as I get mthrough wednesday
[06:57] <philipballew> Physics final then chem final. Next a precalculas final, followed right after by a Christian Tradition essay I have to type
[06:58] <philipballew> abd email by 8pm tomorow
[06:58] <philipballew> 8and
[06:58] <philipballew> *and
[06:59] <philipballew> man, my spelling is bad when Im stressed
[07:00] <philipballew> I can do it.
[07:03] <philipballew> you should be jealous dax
[12:17] <BigWhale> Greetings.
[12:20] <BigWhale> Before UDS, I'll arrive at SFO on 5th. Because I want to spend some time in the city before I head to Oakland, I was wondering if there's a place I could store my baggage for the time being? Perhaps at the BART station?
[14:52] <pleia2> bkerensa: the blog post was made the night before, which was May 1st UTC time, but not our time ;)
[14:52] <bkerensa> ahh
[14:52] <pleia2> BigWhale: not really :(
[14:54] <BigWhale> pleia2, yeah, I noticed.  I live right downtown and if we can coordinate properly you can drop your stuff off at my place
[14:55] <bkerensa> :D
[14:55] <bkerensa> pleia2: your quite the host offering people so much :)
[14:56] <pleia2> bkerensa: it's not much trouble :)
[14:57]  * bkerensa wonders how much trouble it would be to host MarkDude and Co when they come up in June :P
[14:57] <BigWhale> pleia2, wow, that would be awesome.
[14:57] <BigWhale> pleia2, I land at SFO at 1pm
[14:57] <bkerensa> pleia2: has it been warm in the Bay Area as of lately?
[14:57] <BigWhale> then I was planning to take BART to err ..
[14:57] <BigWhale> .. Powell St.
[14:58] <BigWhale> apparently there's an apple store right there.
[14:58] <pleia2> BigWhale: ok, take it one stop further to Montgomery street and walk down New Montgomery street (that will be south of market) then find a coffee shop with wifi (starbucks will have it) and grab me on IRC
[14:58] <pleia2> I live at the end of New Montgomery Street, it's 2 long blocks from the station
[14:58] <BigWhale> this sounds like a disaster plan :)))
[14:59] <BigWhale> but I'll remember it.
[15:37] <pleia2> bkerensa: oh, re: weather, it was in the 70s over the weekend but it's back down to the typical 50s
[15:47] <pleia2> iheartubuntu is doing an open week session on gaming over in #ubuntu-classroom at 9 :)
[15:48] <iheartubuntu> god help me
[15:48] <pleia2> haha, you'll be fine
[15:48] <iheartubuntu> i ate some wheaties
[16:25] <BigWhale> at 9_
[16:25] <BigWhale> _
[16:25] <BigWhale> ?
[16:25] <BigWhale> what timezone? :>
[16:29] <pleia2> BigWhale: you're in the California channel :) it's 9:30 here
[16:29] <DonkeyHotei> am
[16:29] <DonkeyHotei> i'm guessing the session is pm
[16:30] <pleia2> no, it's now
[16:30] <DonkeyHotei> oh.
[16:30] <pleia2> I would have said 21:00 otherwise ;)
[16:30] <DonkeyHotei> i never liked 24hr clocks
[16:30] <ezri> try 24-hour clocks set to UTC. It's 1630 right now >.>
[16:31] <DonkeyHotei> /ns info rww
[16:31] <DonkeyHotei> oops
[16:32] <DonkeyHotei> heh, someone registered Jadzia in alabama just 3 days ago
[17:06] <iheartubuntu> well that was fun! i wished i had been running lernid to see how it looked
[17:07] <pleia2> :)
[17:53] <MarkDude> Darkwing, are you able to go to the A's game next Thursday?
[17:53] <Darkwing> MarkDude: I don't see why not.  But I am guessing some of them will be happier if I dont attend ;)
[17:56]  * MarkDude knows he is looked at by some as Feminist Hulk
[17:57] <MarkDude> https://twitter.com/#!/FEMINISTHULK
[17:57] <pleia2> MarkDude: I scheduled it months ago :)
[17:58] <pleia2> it's been on our UDS project page and posted to the UW list
[17:58] <pleia2> but we only really have 2 evenings to use, so lots of overlap in events was inevitable
[17:58] <pleia2> I am sad I can't go to Debian dinner or A's game!
[17:59] <MarkDude> pleia2, well, considering how my association with UW stressed a few during my Mark S issue. I think its best this way
[17:59]  * MarkDude loves UW
[17:59] <akk> Aw, that was a while ago.
[17:59] <pleia2> I'm not actually sure who is coming out
[17:59] <MarkDude> And needs to keep a bit of distance
[17:59] <MarkDude> In case Mark S needs his balls squeezed again, shhhhhhh
[17:59] <MarkDude> lol
[18:00]  * MarkDude thinks he will be better behaved now
[18:00]  * MarkDude is looking forawrd to to seeing him in person, all joking aside
[18:01] <MarkDude> And taking a pic with him, while I am wearing the Beefy Miracle shirt, that will be epic
[18:04]  * MarkDude hopes grantbow will be able to make it also
[18:05] <MarkDude> UDS will be more fun with Dangerous G there
[18:14] <bkerensa> =o
[20:11] <philipballew> would opt be the best place to place my own scripts or my ~ folder?
[20:11] <pleia2> standard places tend to be /usr/share/local/ or ~/bin
[20:11] <pleia2> opt isn't really used on deb-based systems
[20:12] <akk> I always put my own stuff in ~/bin
[20:12] <pleia2> me too
[20:12] <akk> unless I'm testing an installer or deb package.
[20:13] <philipballew> alright. and then Ill just set the alias of it so I dont need to set the file path for each time I run it I guess.
[20:15] <philipballew> thank you pleia2 and akk
[20:15] <akk> philipballew: Put ~/bin in your path, if it isn't already.
[20:16] <philipballew> I need to be more aware of the system differences between debian and other distros
[20:16] <akk> I have it first in my path, so my own scripts override anything system-installed.
[20:16] <philipballew> Though I joke in here like all other distros are bad, I use other distros.
[20:17] <philipballew> akk, so therefore you can write your own system scripts to take the place I see?
[20:18] <philipballew> all  prepped for uds akk?
[20:20] <akk> No prep needed for this one (except figuring out how to get there, and I'm still fuzzy on that :)
[20:21] <akk> Well, and look at the schedule to figure out what talks to go to, but last time I looked it was still pretty empty.
[20:21] <pleia2> unfortunately it doesn't really get populated until about Sunday or so, and it changes throughout the week
[20:22] <pleia2> it's all workshops and they tend to expect people to be there the whole time, so a rigid schedule isn't a priority
[20:22] <akk> Okay, so set aside several hours Sunday night to look at schedule. Check. :)
[20:22] <philipballew> I wish I had time this week, but its finals week.
[20:22] <philipballew> So saturday ill look
[20:22] <akk> I don't need rigid, but I need to know "What's the earliest thing I'm absolutely driven to attend tomorrow morning" each day.
[20:23] <akk> Once I'm there I'm flexible, but it'll take an hour and a half minimum to get there.
[20:23] <pleia2> yay, the UW session made it on the schedule \o/
[20:23] <pleia2> thursday at noon
[20:23] <akk> yay! Though that one I already knew about, from your mail.
[20:23] <philipballew> akk, are you commuting everyday
[20:24] <akk> philipballew: yes
[20:24] <philipballew> That sounds fun!
[20:24] <akk> ugh, you can do the commute for me, then :)
[20:24] <pleia2> I send too many emails, one was for Ubuntu Open Week tomorrow (so, this Thursday) and the other was for Ubuntu Women dinner (next week, Thursday night)
[20:25] <akk> I for one appreciate the emails, pleia2
[20:25] <philipballew> Is that similar to the one at Scale?
[20:25] <akk> Very helpful for keeping track of what's going on!
[20:25] <pleia2> too many thursdays :)
[20:25]  * philipballew loves getting emails!
[20:25] <pleia2> philipballew: no, we're actually doing proper dinner at my home
[20:26] <philipballew> Oh wow. That sounds fun!
[20:29] <pleia2> wow, the schedule actually does have a fair amount on it already
[22:42] <pleia2> oh, right, my UW session for open week is *friday*
[22:42] <pleia2> my poor brain, also - woo I don't need to scramble to write it after the girl geek dinner!