[00:50] <drkokandy> If you want to plan something for sometime Cheri703, please let us know - this week is a nightmare, but next week my schedule gets a lot easier.
[00:52] <Cheri703> ok :) I have a stupid cold at the moment, but hoping it will ease up soon.
[01:02] <drkokandy> that'll give you time to heal up too. Get well!
[02:43] <jrgifford> well, hello from the land of raring.
[03:07] <jrgifford> well, so far raring has been fun.
[03:07] <jrgifford> it's broken tmux once
[03:07] <jrgifford> screen twice
[03:10] <dniMretsaM> jrgifford: sounds great. gotta love development releases
[03:10] <jrgifford> dniMretsaM: this is why i run 'em. :)
[03:11] <jrgifford> they are fun to use
[03:11] <jrgifford> i've got it down to a 30-minute process from time i decide "oh crud it's broken" to the time i've got a working laptop again.
[03:11] <jrgifford> (if i have to do a reinstall)
[03:11] <dniMretsaM> are you using Ubuntu or one of the derivatives (Kubuntu, etc.)?
[03:11] <jrgifford> ubuntu
[03:12] <jrgifford> with gnome-shell installed, because i find gnome-shell works best for presentations
[03:12] <dniMretsaM> I've never been a huge GNOME-Shell fan. what version is in Raring?
[03:13] <jrgifford> not sure
[03:13] <dniMretsaM> I think it might be 3.7/3.8
[03:13] <jrgifford> ok, time to restart and then the proper upgrade will be done. brb
[03:15] <dniMretsaM> hope it still works afterwards
[03:15] <Unit193> Heh, I'm more waiting for Wheezy to go to stable, and the next testing to come out.
[03:19] <jrgifford> dniMretsaM: it works!
[03:19] <jrgifford> so, first thing i noticed
[03:19] <jrgifford> it's faster
[03:19] <jrgifford> unity memory usage is lower
[03:19] <Unit193> jrgifford: Any kernel issues?  You're on 3.8 now.
[03:19] <jrgifford> i'm using 800MB with firefox and the rest of my login applications
[03:19] <jrgifford> Unit193: nope
[03:19] <dniMretsaM> jrgifford: that's great. people will like that when it's released
[03:20] <drkokandy> that sounds great
[03:20] <Unit193> jrgifford: Suspend actually works?
[03:20] <jrgifford> firefox memory usage is lower, definitely
[03:20] <jrgifford> it seems to be a leaner machine.
[03:20] <jrgifford> Unit193: it always has worked for my thinkpad
[03:20] <jrgifford> the HP was another story
[03:20] <Unit193> Bleh, kernel hates me.
[03:21] <dniMretsaM> what version of FF, jrgifford? 19 or 20?
[03:21] <Unit193> Quantal, 3.6 suspend didn't work, 3.7 had glitchy graphics and suspend didn't work.
[03:21] <jrgifford> http://i.imgur.com/rMvQz.png
[03:21] <jrgifford> that's ugly
[03:21] <jrgifford> nautilus is ugly
[03:21] <jrgifford> but what else is new?
[03:21] <jrgifford> oh mannnnn
[03:21] <dniMretsaM> you think so? I actually like Files now
[03:21] <jrgifford> yet another thing for me to override in my screen config
[03:21] <drkokandy> hmmm... it doesn't seem that ugly
[03:22] <jrgifford> s/screen/tmux
[03:22] <jrgifford> alt-arrow keys swaps "windows". used to be sent to the application.
[03:22] <dniMretsaM> it looks a lot cleaner, in my opinion. I tend to like minimalist interfaces
[03:22] <jrgifford> now irssi is broken.
[03:22] <jrgifford> jandrusk_: i may end up learning to live inside an emacs instance
[03:23] <dniMretsaM> ERC ftw
[03:23] <jrgifford> i've been holding off on *really* learning emacs
[03:24] <jrgifford> so, overall: it seems faster
[03:24] <jrgifford> but like all releases, it will lose the new-car speed in the latest 2 weeks before release.
[03:24] <dniMretsaM> I have Emacs open right now
[03:24] <jrgifford> at which point it will get dog slow
[03:25] <dniMretsaM> lol there should be some law about that (like Moore's Law, Murphy's Law, etc.)
[03:25] <jrgifford> yeah
[03:26] <jrgifford> there are occassions.
[03:26] <jrgifford> where i wish i could pin packages at their pre-release state
[03:26] <jrgifford> unity is the big one.
[03:26] <jrgifford> it's always buggy, but fast. and i'm ok with fast and buggy, because the bugs are all cosmetic issues.
[03:27] <jrgifford> then they get all finicky, and it gets cleaned up, but slowed down in the process.
[03:34] <jrgifford> ok, time to learn me some emacs.
[04:50] <skellat> Burning Circle Episode 97 is up: http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/node/130
[22:13] <thafreak> anyone in here ever do ccna/ccnp (cisco)?
[22:14] <thafreak> might be able to swing a full time faculty position at akron, but would need at least a ccna
[22:14] <thafreak> since the department is part of the cisco academy
[22:14] <thafreak> and i'd end up teaching ccna classes
[22:15] <thafreak> I took the ccna like 10 years ago, but didn't pass...
[22:15] <thafreak> tried to start studying like the weekend before I was scheduled to take it...didn't work out so well
[23:22] <canthus13> I did CCNA years ago.
[23:22] <canthus13> Didn't bother with the test because they changed to 2.0 a week before I was done with the course.
[23:23] <canthus13> thafreak: ...my CCNA instructor works at HOme Depot now.


[06:57] <Kilos> hi svij philipballew and others
[06:58] <philipballew> Kilos, hey
[07:31] <MooDoo> howdy all
[07:32] <Kilos-> hi MooDoo :D
[07:32] <MooDoo> :)


[20:44] <merpnderp> I've got a job that isn't started on init 6. It works with start myapp; stop myapp; but I get nothing on a reboot.
[20:44] <merpnderp> Any ideas on how to troubleshoot?
[20:44] <merpnderp> start on startup is how I have it set to start
[20:56] <merpnderp> was starting my app before networking was up....fixed. :)
[21:18] <JanC> "startup" is very early  :)


[19:26] <maccam94> Hi, I'd like this bugfix to be backported to 14.04 and 12.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/1125726
[19:30] <maccam94> whoops, wrong nick
[19:31] <hggdh> ccope: target to Precise and Trusty, thank you for prepping the description
[19:32] <hggdh> s/target/&ed/
[19:32] <ccope> woot, thanks!


[02:40] <poningru> @schedule
[02:40] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 01 Apr 20:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 15:00: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 11:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 15:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 18:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 12:00: Edubuntu
[02:40] <poningru> @schedule EDT
[02:40] <poningru> ...
[02:40] <poningru> @schedule EST
[02:40] <ubotu> Schedule for EST: 01 Apr 15:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 10:00: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 06:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 10:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 13:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 07:00: Edubuntu
[02:40] <poningru> @time
[02:40] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 01 2007, 12:40:47 - Next meeting: Marketing Team in 7 hours 19 minutes
[02:40] <poningru> @time EST
[02:40] <jsgotangco> @schedule manila
[02:40] <ubotu> Current time in EST: April 01 2007, 07:40:54 - Next meeting: Marketing Team in 7 hours 19 minutes
[02:40] <ubotu> Schedule for Asia/Manila: 02 Apr 04:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 23:00: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 19:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 23:00: Kernel Team | 04 Apr 02:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 20:00: Edubuntu
[02:41] <poningru> grrr
[02:41] <jsgotangco> hmm nice scheds for me this week
[02:41] <poningru> @schedule New York
[02:41] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 01 Apr 16:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 11:00: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 07:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 11:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 14:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu
[09:38] <adamant1988> @schedule
[09:38] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 01 Apr 20:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 15:00: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 11:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 15:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 18:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 12:00: Edubuntu
[10:03] <Knightlust> hehe
[10:03] <jenga> Well, where do we start...
[10:04] <meatballhat> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings    <--  agenda
[10:04] <jenga> My item is first on the list... w00t
[10:04] <jenga> :)
[10:04] <jenga> The DIY site...
[10:04] <adamant1988> Haha
[10:04] <jenga> ...is currently waiting for beuno to push his code.
[10:04] <jenga> :)
[10:04] <jenga> (blame diverted)
[10:05] <jenga> Once that happens, meatballhat will add the finishing touches to the interface... correct?
[10:05] <meatballhat> jenga: you want to take the lead on where it's headed, function-wise ...
[10:05] <meatballhat> then I can go over design stuff  ?
[10:05] <juliux> what is with a who is who round?
[10:06] <juliux> evening btw;)
[10:06] <adamant1988> what?
[10:06] <meatballhat> juliux: yo  ;-)
[10:06] <jenga> meatballhat: hmm, we should probably discuss that sometime thoroughly, in -marketing?
[10:06] <jenga> juliux: ok :
[10:06] <meatballhat> jenga: okie doke ... my bit is pretty short ;-)
[10:07] <jenga> ...although it's actualy martin's fault...
[10:07] <meatballhat> heehee ....aawwwwww
[10:07] <adamant1988> haha
[10:08] <jenga> OK, once we have the site up technically, which shouldn't take too long... (right, meatballhat?)
[10:08] <jenga> ...we can start adding the content.
[10:08] <jenga> There will be about 4 basic sections
[10:09] <jenga> Some of them already have some content ready, and some will require a lot of legwork to scrounge content from the interweb and our brains...
[10:09] <juliux> jenga, i will add the content of the german locoteam
[10:09] <jenga> I recently posted an email to the list which explained into more detail which section is which.
[10:09] <jenga> What I would need most from you, the team...
[10:09] <jenga> is to help create content for the most-important HOWTOs section.
[10:10] <jenga> It should contain various tips as to what one can do to spread Ubuntu.
[10:10] <beuno> here
[10:10] <jenga> boredandblogging has started collecting a few items, mostly conference appearances and the like.
[10:10] <boredandblogging> especially successful campaigns to spread the word
[10:11] <jenga> However, I'd like to have short articles of sorts after which the reader can exclaim "I can do that too!"
[10:11] <jenga> Hmm...
[10:11] <jenga> ah, it's quite blank after this point :)
[10:11] <beuno> I sent an email on a "quick n dirty solution" to get the DIY site up
[10:12] <beuno> I didn't get any feedback on that
[10:12] <beuno> should I take it as a "do whatever you want"?
[10:12] <jenga> beuno: I didn't understand it :)
[10:12] <meatballhat> beuno: how long ago was this??  /me is lost
[10:12] <jenga> beuno: because I don't rightly understand what your task is
[10:12] <jenga> :D
[10:12] <Admiral_Chicago> neither did I. net sure why the page is being changed
[10:12] <beuno> yesterday
[10:12] <beuno> no, dirday
[10:13] <beuno> *friday
[10:13] <beuno> dog licked my elbow
[10:13] <jenga> :)
[10:13] <beuno> haha
[10:13] <beuno> jenga: the website is working, all that needs to be done is a user-friendly way of adding content to it
[10:13] <jenga> oooh
[10:13] <jenga> ok
[10:13] <jenga> that's great news.
[10:14] <beuno> which means I can add content in a non-user friendly way
[10:14] <beuno> :D
[10:14] <beuno> which was what I meant in my email
[10:14] <beuno> I can load everything that's floating around
[10:14] <meatballhat> beuno: is a current version pushed/ftp'd ?
[10:14] <jenga> beuno: aaah :)
[10:14] <beuno> so we have an actual working site, just not easy to maintain
[10:14] <jenga> ok, that's really good news.
[10:15] <jenga> So, yes, it'd be great if you could throw all the content we have ready on there.
[10:15] <beuno> meatballhat: still have some changes to push, but since they broke some stuff, I'm waiting to fix it :D
[10:15] <jenga> This mean, practically the entire Get section can be done already.
[10:15] <jenga> *means
[10:15] <meatballhat> beuno: okay ... you tell me when I can jump in and do major housekeeping
[10:15] <jenga> beuno: hint, waiting won't fix it ;)
[10:16] <beuno> jenga: yes it will, you should get into programming and find out for yourself...  ;)
[10:16] <jenga> hehe
[10:17] <meatballhat> beuno, jenga ... okay ... SO ... once the "functional" parts are done ...
[10:17] <jenga> anyway...
[10:17] <beuno> meatballhat: I can add all the content on now after the meeting, and if nothing breaks, you should be able to fiddle with ther webpage all you want
[10:17] <beuno> *the
[10:17] <jenga> beuno: that'd be swell... I think the Print section will have to wait till there is a simple way to add the content, as there'll be many items on that list... and the Howto section has no content to add yet...
[10:18] <jenga> and neither does the design section really - except for a sketch of the guidelines, whic hisn't nearly complete.
[10:18] <beuno> jenga: where can I get all the content?
[10:18] <jenga> beuno: DIYWebsite/Get
[10:18] <jenga> for the get...
[10:19] <jenga> DIYWebsite/Guidelines for the guidelines...
[10:19] <meatballhat> beuno: also .... when you say that the site is working, are you referring to your local copy? ... should we be seeing changes on the main site :  diy.devubuntu.com  ?
[10:19] <beuno> meatballhat: online, diy.devubuntu.com
[10:20] <meatballhat> beuno: what about the imagemagick stuff?
[10:20] <poningru> @schedule New york
[10:20] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: Current meeting: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 11:00: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 07:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 11:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 14:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu
[10:20] <poningru> gaah
[10:20] <poningru> thats great
[10:21] <poningru> two meetings I almost misseed
[10:21] <beuno> meatballhat: I'm just going to add the content for now, so we have some sort of website working
[10:21] <meatballhat> beuno: so be it  ...  :D
[10:21] <beuno> then I'll try to get back to the "I broke everything" part of the php code
[10:21] <jenga> This is the part where you always lose me, but that's OK :)
[10:22] <meatballhat> jenga: onward!
[10:22] <jenga> I'm done.
[10:22] <jenga> Pretty much.
[10:22] <meatballhat> my part now?  :)
[10:22] <jenga> I'll just ephasize one more time that we need help with writing the Howtos
[10:22] <beuno> actually, "UWN more exposure" bit is up
[10:22] <jenga> Anyone who'd be interested, please _do_ contact me or the team after the meeting.
[10:23] <poningru> jenga: re:?
[10:23] <poningru> the website?
[10:23] <jenga> beuno: not unless meatballhat is on about the DIY site ;)
[10:23] <beuno> right
[10:23] <jenga> poningru: yes, the DIY/Spreadubuntu website.
[10:23] <poningru> ok
[10:23] <jenga> meatballhat: ah, cool
[10:23] <beuno> meatballhat: that sounds like fun...  I have the original drupal template if you need it
[10:24] <meatballhat> beuno: no need as we aren't using Drupal ;-)  ... our approch will be a bit different
[10:24] <meatballhat> *approach
[10:25] <beuno> I know, but maybe the CSS and such... well, I have it anyway  :p
[10:25] <beuno> meatballhat: I'll add the content right after the meeting
[10:25] <beuno> then you can fiddle around the website all you want, I'll only work on the backend
[10:25] <meatballhat> beuno: thanks all the same ... good...  we'll get this done before April 19th if it kills us
[10:25] <beuno> yeap, I agree
[10:25] <jenga> good :)
[10:25] <beuno> I'll kill us
[10:25] <beuno> :D
[10:26] <jenga> I like the idea of dead people around the Marketing Team.
[10:26] <jenga> It gives a whole new light to the 'humanity to others'
[10:26] <adamant1988> jenga: Corpses aren't appealing
[10:26] <poningru> rofl
[10:27] <beuno> ok, meatballhat, I'll ping you as soon as I'm done
[10:27] <jenga> hmm
[10:27] <poningru> err brb
[10:28] <beuno> anymore on the "DIY beuno-I-hate-you" subject?
[10:28] <jenga> umm...
[10:28] <jenga> well, I was going to close the subject of DIY and move on to the beuno-I-hate-you one, but since you say it's done...
[10:28] <jenga> :)
[10:28] <beuno> aaaaw...
[10:29] <jenga> Anything else regarding DIY? hmm? Can we move on to the UWN?
[10:29] <beuno> ok, good, I'll hurry before Burgundavia thinks of something
[10:29] <beuno> "How to give the UWN more exposure?"
[10:29] <Knightlust> bueno: Digg. Digg-people love to, well, digg on any news that has the word Ubuntu on it. They'll surely check UWN.
[10:29] <adamant1988> I move to move onto the UWN
[10:29] <adamant1988> What are we doing right now to give the UWN exposure?
[10:29] <Burgundavia> sorry I am late, gf made me breakfast
[10:30] <Knightlust> sorry, has to be moved first
[10:30] <beuno> jenga: you where trying to get it on the Ubuntu main page?
[10:30] <jenga> 1) get it on all the Ubuntu pages under the News at the top right
[10:30] <jenga> That's waiting for Matt Nuzum to reply...
[10:30] <boredandblogging> can we put a link on the ubuntu.com homepage
[10:30] <beuno> Knightlust: you mean submit it to digg every week?
[10:30] <adamant1988> boredandblogging: I like that idea, an easy to fill out subscription form.
[10:30] <jenga> He said that he can see a case for it to be there, but there are already too many things there, maybe...
[10:30] <adamant1988> just give it your email addy and get the UWN
[10:30] <Knightlust> no, yeah, well, someone should post it there. assign it to someone
[10:31] <jenga> 2) get a sticky on the ubuntuforums
[10:31] <jenga> The forums staff isn't too keen on this. I'll try fighting harder.
[10:31] <Vorian> jenga, I'll help you out on that front :)
[10:31] <jenga> The un-sticky thread has had 300 views so far.
[10:31] <jenga> Vorian++ ;)
[10:32] <beuno> any thoughts on the "straight to digg" proposal?
[10:32] <Vorian> thats a good idea beuno
[10:32] <jenga> What does it require?
[10:32] <adamant1988> I don't see the harm in adding it to digg, since Digg is like the viral rabid off-shoot of the Ubuntu community
[10:32] <boredandblogging> could we post to digg and send out an email to the general mailing list?
[10:32] <jenga> It probably can't harm anything.
[10:32] <jenga> yeap... ;)
[10:32] <adamant1988> jenga: a link and a small quote from the UWN and it'll take off.
[10:33] <jenga> Who'll do it
[10:33] <jenga> ?
[10:33] <jenga> Volunteers? :)
[10:33] <beuno> boredandblogging: it's already being submited to the ubuntu-news mailing list
[10:33] <adamant1988> We can just take turns, I can add it if you guys like
[10:33] <beuno> I can do it
[10:33] <beuno> well
[10:33] <adamant1988> It takes like 3 seconds to put an article on Digg.
[10:33] <jenga> adamant1988: would it have to be done for every issue?
[10:33] <beuno> adamant1988: if you can be around every sunday to make sure, I'd prefer you do it  :D
[10:33] <boredandblogging> doesn't the ubuntu-general have the most subscribers? that might get the most eyeballs
[10:34] <adamant1988> beuno: I am around every sunday, just tell me what time in eastern you would like it to pop up
[10:34] <beuno> adamant1988: as soon as it's released  :D
[10:34] <jenga> it'd be best if one person had that as their set task...
[10:34] <meatballhat> (beuno needs a lighter plate!  somebody other than beuno do it, pleeeeease.)
[10:34] <adamant1988> jenga: We could do it every issue, yes.
[10:34] <poningru> do what now?
[10:34] <jenga> (eg., I'll make sure every UWN gets posted on the forums, sticky or not)
[10:34] <jenga> poningru: digg the UWN
[10:34] <adamant1988> Ok, so I'll make sure about posting it every sunday
[10:34] <poningru> oh will do
[10:34] <poningru> ok I will do the digging
[10:34] <poningru> and the redditing
[10:35] <poningru> and the slashdotting
[10:35] <adamant1988> poningru: I'm adding it to digg
[10:35] <poningru> err maybe not the latter
[10:35] <Knightlust> why not just one guy posting it on forums, news on frontpage, digg, etc. and a backup just in case...
[10:35] <adamant1988> That's my task unless you want it.
[10:35] <jenga> poningru: too late, adamant1988 took it ;)
[10:35] <poningru> no wai you can have it dude ;P
[10:35] <Vorian> a planet post wouldn't hurt
[10:35] <jenga> poningru: you're lagged ;)
[10:35] <adamant1988> Query: Is the UWN released as an email newsletter?
[10:35] <Knightlust> adamant1988 as the 1st person, and then assign a backup
[10:35] <beuno> Vorian: I'm posting on the planet  :D
[10:35] <poningru> adamant1988: yes
[10:35] <beuno> starting last one, #33
[10:35] <poningru> yeah I'll be the backup to adamant1988
[10:36] <Vorian> beuno, :)
[10:36] <beuno> great
[10:36] <jenga> A planet post won't hurt, unless it seems ... well, too much :)
[10:36] <Vorian> kewl
[10:36] <jenga> We already have it on the fridge...
[10:36] <adamant1988> Teh fridge should be enough
[10:36] <poningru> yeah I think a link to fridge should be good
[10:36] <poningru> on planet
[10:36] <jenga> OR we can just go that way till someone complains... ;)
[10:36] <poningru> dont put the entire thing on planet
[10:36] <poningru> just a link...
[10:36] <jenga> of course
[10:36] <jenga> that would kill the planet :)
[10:36] <jenga> but...
[10:36] <beuno> poningru: http://beuno.com.ar/archives/7
[10:36] <jenga> well...
[10:37] <jenga> is the UWN something that belongs on the planet?
[10:37] <Vorian> jenga, for sure!
[10:37] <jenga> the planet is meant to be more for the blogs of the folks, no...?
[10:37] <mc44> jenga: just blog the seperate sections :p
[10:37] <adamant1988> jenga: I don't really think so.
[10:37] <jenga> I don't think so either.
[10:37] <jenga> That's why we have the planet and the fridge.
[10:37] <adamant1988> the planet is more informal, not the best place to put the UWN link
[10:38] <poningru> jenga: btw fix your nick man I get confused every 5 min or so
[10:38] <beuno> the post can be informal...  :D
[10:38] <adamant1988> Now, if planet members want to post a response to the UWN that might be good.
[10:38] <jenga> And linking to it every week could get annoying...
[10:38] <poningru> I think we should do it on the planet
[10:38] <jenga> I think we shouldn't :)
[10:38] <Burgundavia> no, planet is not a good planet to have the actually content
[10:38] <Burgundavia> but feel free to say it is out
[10:38] <jenga> Burgundavia: every single time?
[10:38] <adamant1988> jenga: I think encouraging the planet members to blog about the UWN (a specific portion) that's not a bad idea
[10:38] <poningru> Burgundavia: not the content dude just a link
[10:38] <jenga> adamant1988: true
[10:39] <jenga> adamant1988: but not a 'the UWN is out again' every week
[10:39] <beuno> wasn't that what I posted?  quick link and a summary?
[10:39] <beuno> ir should it be shorter?
[10:39] <adamant1988> jenga: Having the planet members expressing their opinion on an article in the UWN isn't a bad idea IMO
[10:39] <poningru> beuno: no that was perfect imho
[10:39] <jenga> adamant1988: opinions would be great...
[10:39] <Vorian> all we would have to post is "uwn 58 is out and its awesome!  link..."
[10:39] <poningru> 0.0
[10:39] <adamant1988> jenga: That way it meets the theme of the planet and it gets the word out
[10:39] <poningru> 58 eek
[10:39] <jenga> wouldn't something like a commentary to a specific article be better?
[10:39] <jenga> adamant1988++
[10:40] <Vorian> poningru, :)
[10:40] <jenga> (we'll never get to 58 ;))
[10:40] <poningru> :p
[10:40] <beuno> jenga: we might if you start doing daliy releases!
[10:40] <beuno> that won't annoy anyone...
[10:40] <poningru> lol
[10:40] <adamant1988> Ubuntu Weekly News! DAILY!
[10:40] <jenga> (I think we should go to 42 and number all releases from then on 42)
[10:40] <boredandblogging> lol
[10:41] <poningru> lol
[10:41] <beuno> haha
[10:41] <Vorian> jenga, nice plan..
[10:41] <adamant1988> jenga: 42 makes the world go round
[10:41] <jenga> k... back to the topic...
[10:41] <adamant1988> So, to summarize we're going to try for a link on Ubuntu.com?
[10:41] <adamant1988> Digg it
[10:41] <adamant1988> Forum posts
[10:42] <poningru> we are? re: ubuntu.com?
[10:42] <beuno> ok, so far we have:  straight to digg and reddit, small post on the planet, trying to get it on ubuntu.com front page, and sticky on the forum
[10:42] <Knightlust> also design a cool UWN logo, something really attractive and catchy, that way bloggers can put it up on their blogs/sites. just make sure it points a single wikipage where all the links to a UWN are listed.
[10:42] <adamant1988> and specific-article commentary on the planet?
[10:42] <jenga> Don't y'all pro-planetars think we should aim for a more personal type reaction than just 'it's out' on the planet?
[10:42] <jenga> poningru: yes, i'm working on that.
[10:42] <adamant1988> jenga: I agree, but I'm not on the planet
[10:42] <adamant1988> :(
[10:42] <jenga> Knightlust: I'd be careful about logos.
[10:42] <poningru> jenga: did you talk to matt?
[10:42] <Vorian> who here posts on the planet?
[10:42] <jenga> Knightlust: I think we should stick with the UBuntu logo.
[10:42] <beuno> jenga: whats prong with this:   http://beuno.com.ar/archives/7
[10:42] <jenga> poningru: yes.
[10:43] <beuno> wrong
[10:43] <poningru> beuno: you dont have enough prongs
[10:43] <Knightlust> jenga, just something attractive that'll catch someones attention
[10:43] <jenga> beuno: nothing
[10:43] <jenga> beuno: but every week?
[10:43] <boredandblogging> besides digg and reddit, are there any other avenues to let non-Ubuntu users know about it? the planet, forums, and ubuntu.com will only attract existing ubuntu users. Or is that the purpose?
[10:43] <poningru> jenga: dude... sunday... slow day of the week
[10:43] <jenga> Knightlust: that's what the fridge is for, I think...
[10:43] <beuno> boredandblogging: that's the idea
[10:43] <adamant1988> beuno: What we're saying is that works but you can (and should) pick out a specific article and talk about it in a blog post
[10:44] <jenga> Knightlust: the UWN aims for the conciseness and can cope very well with a simple form.
[10:44] <beuno> adamant1988: absolutely, I'll pick something I like and comment on it
[10:44] <adamant1988> beuno: That way it's better than "Hey the UWN is out!11111!!!!11!" every weekl
[10:44] <beuno> like "number of bugs are down, great work Bug Triage team"
[10:44] <jenga> boredandblogging: the UWN is mostly of interest to insiders, anyway.
[10:44] <jenga> boredandblogging: it's its purpose.
[10:44] <boredandblogging> fair enough
[10:44] <jenga> The UBuntu Magazine was intended for outsiders... but that project died.
[10:45] <beuno> I've got a quick question...
[10:45] <boredandblogging> ubuntu magazine? that sounds cool
[10:45] <beuno> for those you use RSS
[10:45] <adamant1988> jenga: We can probably get that going again, and put it in a monthly fashion
[10:45] <Knightlust> aha, jenga, why not revive the ubuntu magazine then
[10:45] <adamant1988> If you would like to get that started I'd be happy to head that.
[10:45] <beuno> wouldn't a "UWN Blog" with RSS be usefull?
[10:45] <beuno> post the actual content to the blog
[10:45] <jenga> adamant1988, Knightlust, boredandblogging - let's return to the idea of the mag later on.
[10:45] <beuno> so you can have it on RSS
[10:45] <adamant1988> jenga: sure.
[10:45] <Knightlust> hehe
[10:46] <adamant1988> beuno: I get my Ubuntu News RSS from the fridge
[10:46] <jenga> It's a good idea, if someone pulls it off.
[10:46] <jenga> beuno: me too
[10:46] <beuno> adamant1988: but it's a small summary, not the actualy UWN
[10:46] <beuno> I hate having to click away from my bloglines
[10:46] <Burgundavia> there is work on the fridge, to allow the community to submit stories, ala slashdot
[10:46] <adamant1988> beuno: I understand, I just think it's kind of a duplication of efforts
[10:46] <jenga> beuno: so we should set up an UWN RSS feed?
[10:46] <poningru> oh most def
[10:46] <poningru> wait dont we already have that?
[10:47] <jenga> Burgundavia: I hope it doesn't make the traffic on fridge unreadable.
[10:47] <jenga> Burgundavia: eg. I can read the entire fridge, but I don't read the planet anymore, there's ust too much.
[10:47] <Burgundavia> theree is a UWN specific rss feed at the fridge
[10:47] <poningru> right
[10:48] <beuno> ok, then I'll add that link to the UWN itself so it's easier to find
[10:48] <jenga> NOTE: New topic added at the end of the meeting: Ubuntu Magazine (as some people are obviously interested)
[10:48] <jenga> Burgundavia: aha, that settles that, then.
[10:48] <jenga> yes, add it to the UWN.
[10:48] <jenga> :)
[10:48] <adamant1988> So, we've settled on some more we can do for the UWN.  Want to see how far that takes us before we start adding more things to the list?
[10:49] <beuno> Burgundavia: where's the link?
[10:49] <boredandblogging> does anyone know how often people are actually reading the UWN?
[10:49] <Burgundavia> beuno: no idea
[10:49] <beuno> not really no, and it's going hard to find out since it gets published in so many places...
[10:50] <jenga> yep
[10:50] <jenga> but we know that people who read it really, really like it.
[10:50] <adamant1988> Anything we can do to figure out how many readers we're talking about?
[10:50] <jenga> Especially members and other community regulars, as it keeps them up-to-date
[10:50] <jenga> (with the rest of the community)
[10:50] <beuno> adamant1988: good topic to add to the next meeting   :D
[10:50] <jenga> indeed.
[10:51] <adamant1988> beuno: I'll note that it needs added to the list for the next meeting
[10:51] <beuno> great
[10:51] <beuno> so, adamant1988 is going to digg the UWN, and poningru is backup, right?
[10:51] <poningru> beuno: yes
[10:51] <beuno> should we add a "digg this" on the UWN?
[10:52] <jenga> yes
[10:52] <adamant1988> poningru: is incharge of slashdot and reddit
[10:52] <beuno> that way you guys know if the other submited it
[10:52] <adamant1988> as I don't have accounts for either
[10:52] <beuno> and we might get a few more diggs
[10:52] <beuno> ok, I'll add it to the template
[10:53] <poningru> eeeh
[10:53] <beuno> the rest is for you guys to find out and document on the /UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies  page
[10:53] <poningru> I dont know if I like it
[10:53] <poningru> the digg this thing
[10:53] <jenga> why?
[10:53] <adamant1988> I think adding a digg button to the UWN actually might be a decent way to gauge how many readers the UWN has.
[10:53] <adamant1988> or at least get a decent estimate
[10:54] <beuno> adamant1988: I don't think so
[10:54] <poningru> I dont know it adds the whole lets follow the web 2.0 thing
[10:54] <poningru> yeah too many other sources of readers
[10:54] <boredandblogging> i'm not sure digg helps if insiders are the target audience, it really wouldn't hurt though
[10:54] <beuno> Burgundavia: you're handeling the inmediate post to the fridge, right?
[10:54] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:54] <beuno> great
[10:54] <adamant1988> beuno: What I mean is if the button is right in the article itself and it's clickable, that gives at least an idea, right?
[10:54] <jenga> is 'digg this' a button, or can it be a link?
[10:54] <jenga> if we could add it as a link at the bottom, it'd be unobtrusive...
[10:54] <beuno> jenga: link
[10:55] <Burgundavia> digg this sounds like a good trial idea
[10:55] <jenga> yeah - let's try it :)
[10:55] <adamant1988> So let's add it for a couple issues and see what happens.
[10:55] <beuno> yes, it shouldn't be "DIGD THIS PLEASE OMG" kind of link
[10:55] <beuno> good
[10:55] <adamant1988> Just add the little counter link to the article
[10:55] <beuno> I'll add it to the template + uwn 34
[10:55] <jenga> cool
[10:55] <beuno> adamant1988: no, no counter, just a small link
[10:55] <adamant1988> beuno: OK
[10:56] <beuno> ok, great
[10:56] <beuno> the last thing I think needs attention with UWN
[10:56] <beuno> is promoting Ubuntu communities to participate more and send or add stories to it
[10:57] <jenga> hmm
[10:57] <beuno> it seems they really don't participate too much in the process
[10:57] <jenga> how?
[10:57] <adamant1988> beuno: I think there's a number of issues with that... part of it is that the Wiki is a pain in the butt to edit (and a little scary) if you're not familar with the syntax
[10:57] <beuno> I don't mind adding it for them
[10:57] <adamant1988> Perhaps we should create an @ubuntu.com mail addy for people to send stories to?
[10:57] <beuno> but, for example, the "LoCo News" section is empty this week
[10:58] <adamant1988> Then all they have to do is send the stories in, we prune through them for the gems and add them
[10:58] <beuno> and I'm pretty sure *something* has to have happend in some LoCo
[10:58] <jenga> I think that we'll only be recruiting new UWN'ers from UWN readers anyway, so a 'help the UWN' should suffice at the end of the UWN itself... and we sohuld concentrate more on 'read the UWN' out there.
[10:58] <poningru> yeah jenga++
[10:58] <poningru> dude fix your nick...
[10:58] <adamant1988> jenga: Well, I think a link at the bottom "Got a story for us? Send it!"
[10:59] <adamant1988> wouldn't hurt
[10:59] <jenga> beuno: you can add that Canonical approved my request and sent me a huge crate of CDs and a conference pack ;)
[10:59] <adamant1988> just set up an email addy to catch all those
[10:59] <jenga> poningru: you can /nick to ponindru to compensate ;)
[11:00] <beuno> jenda: send me pics!  that isn't such a bad story
[11:00] <jenda> hehe
[11:00] <jenda> I don't have a camera
[11:00] <jenda> And I don't have teh conference pack yet, just the CDs ;) and besides, we don't need to discuss it at the meeting ;)
[11:01] <jenda> Has everyone died, suddenly? Is it my breath?
[11:01] <beuno> ok
[11:01] <jenda> ah, good.
[11:01] <jenda> :)
[11:01] <Burgundavia> adding a "send us a story" is an excellent idea
[11:01] <adamant1988>  A little
[11:01] <jenda> hehe
[11:01] <adamant1988> Burgundavia: thanks
[11:01] <adamant1988> :P
[11:01] <Burgundavia> why not a list ala fridge-devel?
[11:01] <jenda> I think so too
[11:01] <jenda> Burgundavia++
[11:02] <Burgundavia> basically, not publicly archived, but allows free posting?
[11:02] <jenda> Who will do it?
[11:02] <jenda> yep
[11:02] <adamant1988> jenda: I suggested it :P
[11:02] <beuno> Burgundavia++
[11:02] <jenda> adamant1988: you'll do it?
[11:02] <adamant1988> jenda: If you want me to catch all the emails for you and prune them, I'll do that
[11:02] <jenda> adamant1988: get us a mailing list set up for that purpose<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:02] <Burgundavia> well, if we have a mailing list, we can add/remove people as needed
[11:02] <jenda> :)
[11:02] <jenda> adamant1988: no, set up a list
[11:02] <jenda> (or @lists.ubuntu.com)
[11:03] <adamant1988> jenda: I don't think a list is so good.
[11:03] <Burgundavia> there is a generic mail link
[11:03] <jenda> adamant1988: it works great for the fridge.
[11:03] <Burgundavia> adamant1988: have you seen fridge-devel?
[11:03] <adamant1988> jenda: Ok then
[11:03] <jenda> adamant1988: it's certainly better than one of us to be doing it.
[11:03] <poningru> mmhm
[11:03] <adamant1988> Burgundavia: Nope, whatever works though.  As long as people don't have to subscribe to it to send in articles
[11:03] <beuno> adamant1988: you have to contact the lists admin for that to get setup
[11:03] <nixternal> d'oh!
[11:04] <poningru> pwnt
[11:04] <adamant1988> Do you guys want me to talk to the lists admin to work on setting this up?
[11:04] <Burgundavia> yep
[11:04] <adamant1988> Or would someone with more pull prefer to do it?
[11:04] <jenda> nixternal: you're late, you can't join now ;)
[11:04] <poningru> there is no pull there dude they will do it
[11:04] <adamant1988> poningru: Ok, I'll add that to my list of things to do then
[11:04] <nixternal> sounds good to me ;p
[11:05] <jenda> nixternal: no way, you aren't going anywhere :)
[11:05] <nixternal> to late, already there ;p
[11:05] <nixternal> what have I missed?
[11:05] <beuno> ok, UWN done?
[11:06] <Burgundavia> yep
[11:06] <adamant1988> I think we've about beat that horse to death, yes.
[11:06] <beuno> still have a long way to go...
[11:06] <beuno> adamant1988: you're up
[11:06] <adamant1988> Ok
[11:06] <jenda> nixternal: DIY and UWN
[11:07] <poningru> !agenda
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about agenda - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <poningru> where is the agenda?
[11:07] <adamant1988> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/JobBoard  I added this spec to the list some time ago
[11:07] <jenda> it's adamant's turn now :)
[11:07] <adamant1988> But I'm still trying to get some assistance doing this (needs a LOT of work done)
[11:07] <jenda> adamant1988: first it needs a lot of planning ;)
[11:07] <adamant1988> jenda: I count that as work ;)
[11:07] <poningru> ;)
[11:07] <jenda> adamant1988: I'm still not convinced it is needed...
[11:08] <poningru> jenda: totally dude
[11:08] <adamant1988> jenda: I think it would be beneficial to a LOT of groups and not just us
[11:08] <jenda> oook ;)
[11:08] <poningru> what we need is all the teams to put up their to do list there
[11:08] <jenda> nixternal: mhm :)
[11:08] <adamant1988> nixternal: That's been tried?
[11:08] <poningru> adamant1988: it has... a while ago
[11:08] <nixternal> adamant1988: more than one could have ever imagined
[11:09] <adamant1988> Well, if you guys think that the idea is faulty then feel free to go ahead and shoot it down
[11:09] <nixternal> jenda had a nice one a year ago, then he had another nice one, and then I think there was one more with some added jobs, and DIY seems to be the only one carried forth
[11:09] <adamant1988> I think that the basic idea is good, but if the time-cost/benefit ratio isn't going to work out then we can dedicate our resources to something else
[11:09] <jenda> hehehe
[11:10] <boredandblogging> if people want to get involved, they'll ask for stuff to do
[11:10] <nixternal> boredandblogging: ditto
[11:10] <adamant1988> nixternal: Well my thought on the matter was more like a "community launchpad" so people can track progress on projects and so forth
[11:10] <Knightlust> imho, it'll work as long as there's a good leadership, just need someone to oversee the tasks and be responsible for it
[11:10] <jenda> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/spreadubuntu/+spec/to-do-list
[11:10] <jenda> adamant1988: ^
[11:11] <adamant1988> jenda: So we can just add projects to the launchpad then?
[11:11] <nixternal> although I think it would be positive if someone new to the community could at least have a solid list of available topics they could research/work on instead of coming into #ubuntu-marketing and being confronted by someone who may not know
[11:11] <adamant1988> nixternal: that's part of what it's for
[11:11] <adamant1988> "want to get involved? LINK. Pick something"
[11:12] <jenda> adamant1988: I believe the old 'speradubuntu' product can be used as a basis for marketing team specs
[11:12] <jenda> adamant1988: but I linked to my oooold spec there.
[11:12] <nixternal> it would also be nice to take suggestions from the mailing list and put them into an idea pool as well. there are a lot of good ideas I have seen on the list that get the nose turned for the time being because it a) doesn't work right now, or b) people don't understand the idea and how to implement it correctly
[11:12] <beuno> I think the idea is good, it just requieres much more commitement to specific tasks for people, and I'm not sure if that's possible
[11:13] <adamant1988> beuno: I think once it becomes a process it would be OK.  When you want the marketing team to do soemthing you add the spec
[11:13] <adamant1988> Just like if you want the Devels to do something, etc.
[11:13] <jenda> so... what did we reach so far?
[11:13] <jenda> It's been tried, and is not an easy thing to do...
[11:14] <jenda> ...but would definitely be useful...
[11:14] <adamant1988> jenda: Well, I'm willing to put in the work to help this happen, but I won't be able to do it alone by any regard.
[11:14] <beuno> adamant1988: maybe you can start nagging everyone to tell you what tasks they do
[11:14] <jenda> adamant1988: of course, that's why there's a team ;)
[11:14] <beuno> and get them on the wiki
[11:14] <beuno> that might be a good start
[11:14] <jenda> adamant1988: you can leech all of the tasks in the DIY todo list, if you like ;)
[11:14] <poningru> see here's my thoughts on that
[11:14] <adamant1988> jenda: I mean that if the team as a whole doesn't feel this is a good or worthwhile idea then I'm out in the dark :)
[11:14] <beuno> what we actually do, and what any random user can do to help
[11:14] <mc44> adamant1988: make a todo list then just put "for jenda to do" at the top :)
[11:14] <jenda> adamant1988: it obviously does
[11:15] <poningru> I dont know if this project should be made under the auspices of the marketing team
[11:15] <beuno> ha, +1 for mc44's idea
[11:15] <poningru> I think that it should be done under jono's office
[11:15] <adamant1988> poningru: Well, if you see the original spec I'm proposing more of a Ubuntu Community Wide thing
[11:15] <adamant1988> If A Loco wants to add something, they can add something, etc.
[11:15] <poningru> right
[11:15] <jenda> :)
[11:15] <adamant1988> Launchpad is a great system, it's a shame it's closed.
[11:16] <mc44> jenda: just trying to save the world from one more l***r
[11:16] <jenda> hehe
[11:16] <jenda> you're missing one 0
[11:16] <jenda> *
[11:16] <jenda> **
[11:16] <jenda> :)
[11:16] <mc44> yeah oops :)
[11:16] <jenda> (sorry for flood)
[11:16] <adamant1988> But if it's not worth the time then we shouldn't do it.  We can do something better with the time
[11:16] <beuno> adamant1988: I think it's wortht he time, I just don't know if we have it  :D
[11:17] <adamant1988> beuno: Perhaps put this off for a while and see if resources make themselves available?
[11:17] <beuno> I certainly can't help out right now, as meatballhat so kinly reminded me before
[11:17] <adamant1988> We can just plan it out little by little until that happens
[11:17] <beuno> adamant1988: that sounds good to me
[11:17] <beuno> my recommendation is try to push it forward yourself as much as you can, don't get stuck waiting for others
[11:17] <adamant1988> alright, I'll start doing some more research, polling the LoCo forums, etc. and checking for any kind of demand.
[11:17] <adamant1988> If the demand for something like this is there, then I'll come back and push it harder
[11:18] <beuno> adamant1988: I believe the demand is their, you just need to get it started
[11:18] <jenda> there is lots of demand
[11:18] <beuno> maybe start recruiting
[11:18] <jenda> there's lots of 'can I help'
[11:18] <adamant1988> beuno: I need some help ont he planning as this is beyond the scope of what I can do.
[11:18] <adamant1988> It requires either it's own system or a modification on Launchpad, etc.
[11:18] <jenda> and if we can answer even half those 'can I help's with a ToDo list...
[11:18] <jenda> adamant1988: why?
[11:18] <jenda> adamant1988: why not just a wikipage?
[11:19] <beuno> adamant1988: I don't think you need to use anything else then wiki + launchpad at all
[11:19] <jenda> it's as simple as that, IMO...
[11:19] <poningru> adamant1988: I think if you were to go to lp.net with this idea they might help you out with this
[11:19] <boredandblogging> adamant1988, why not make a mockup on the wiki that the Marketing Team could edit and try out?
[11:19] <jenda> adamant1988: feel free to use that old spec I linked to...
[11:19] <adamant1988> jenda: A the wikis are difficult to edit and track things with.
[11:19] <beuno> adamant1988: "suscribe" button works great for me to track stuff
[11:19] <jenda> adamant1988: a lot easier than creating a whole new system for it.
[11:19] <jenda> exatly.
[11:19] <beuno> and launchpad has it's own set of tools
[11:20] <adamant1988> jenda: True, but not as clean s Launchpad is.  I'll try talking to the launchpad people about it
[11:20] <jenda> The wiki is a great tool, we have it, let's use it.
[11:20] <jenda> hmm
[11:20] <boredandblogging> the people adding to the jobboard will be comfortable with the wiki
[11:20] <jenda> adamant1988: I believe that's a tech detail.
[11:20] <beuno> adamant1988: don't expect to get any modificatios done to launchpad, they're over their heads right now
[11:20] <adamant1988> Ok, well, I'll try it out as a wiki page first
[11:20] <jenda> adamant1988: if the concept works, it'll work on the wiki too, and then we can move it to LP _once_ it's tried and true.
[11:20] <adamant1988> I'll work on a template this week and see what we can do.
[11:21] <beuno> adamant1988: great, you've got my support, just not much of my time  :D
[11:21] <adamant1988> beuno: I'm nothing but time this week.
[11:21] <adamant1988> I can probaly have a good template going without any problems.
[11:21] <beuno> that would be great
[11:21] <beuno> done with this topic then?
[11:21] <adamant1988> It's Spring Break, bfor the rest of today and tomorrow I'll be busy but after that I'm all time
[11:22] <beuno> "Community involvement in Canonical PR toward Ubuntu " is up
[11:22] <adamant1988> yeah, I think we should revisit this next meeting just to check progress
[11:22] <beuno> Burgundavia: has some info on this I believe
[11:22] <jenda> beuno: don't give out any of your time, because I need it ;)
[11:22] <Burgundavia> hm?
[11:22] <Burgundavia> what canonical and we are going to do for Feisty?
[11:22] <beuno> Burgundavia: didn't you phone canonical?
[11:22] <jenda> adamant1988: you might want to try and salvage https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Ideas
[11:22] <Burgundavia> yes, I spoke with Chris
[11:23] <beuno> poningru!
[11:23] <poningru> blargh?
[11:23] <beuno> you brought this up, and Burgundavia talked to Chris from canonical (in charge of marketing)
[11:23] <poningru> oh right the spec
[11:24] <poningru> so yeah I think the email Burgundavia wrote basically summed it up:
[11:24] <jenda> uh, right... so what's it about? :)
[11:24] <poningru> the official Press release will be done by april 11th
[11:24] <poningru> giving locoteams and us time to translate
[11:24] <poningru> err mostly us
[11:24] <poningru> I dont know if locoteams is in on this
[11:24] <poningru> thats one thing we need to clarify
[11:25] <beuno> poningru: maybe send an email to the translators ML?
[11:25] <poningru> since its very 'secretive'
[11:25] <jenda> poningru: simple, there's a mailing list for the LoCos
[11:25] <poningru> no... I was thinking talk to jono
[11:25] <beuno> yes, well, ML are very public...
[11:25] <jenda> oooh, it's that 'confidential' thing ;)
[11:25] <poningru> because this is meant to be secretive, as in the pr cannot get out before 19
[11:25] <Burgundavia> the press release is not secret, it is merely embargoed
[11:25] <poningru> oh...
[11:26] <Burgundavia> this means it can be seen before the 19th
[11:26] <beuno> maybe send an email with "if you want to translate, contact me"
[11:26] <jenda> So we should contact loco leaders individually, correct?
[11:26] <adamant1988> What is it about?
[11:26] <poningru> hmm ok I'll email around
[11:26] <jenda> adamant1988: Feisty.
[11:26] <Burgundavia> all good reporters pay attention to embargoes
[11:26] <poningru> right
[11:26] <poningru> and we have to do the 'feature set walkthrough'
[11:26] <Burgundavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_embargo
[11:27] <Burgundavia> yep, which is mostly a touchup of the /beta page
[11:27] <poningru> basically the unofficial pr
[11:27] <poningru> right
[11:27] <Burgundavia> basically, the language is that needs to be cleaned up and more screenshots added
[11:27] <poningru> and imho we should probably finish that by 11th
[11:27] <poningru> so that the translators can translate that too if needed
[11:27] <poningru> s/needed/wanted
[11:27] <Burgundavia> yep, taht was the plan
[11:28] <poningru> so yeah I guess thats it, we have to finish up the walkthrough by 11th
[11:28] <poningru> and I will email jono+translators
[11:28] <poningru> to make sure they get the msg
[11:29] <poningru> who's next?
[11:29] <beuno> you're next and next again  :D
[11:29] <jenda> hehe
[11:29] <poningru> lol
[11:29] <jenda> poningru: what did you mean by 'swag'?
[11:30] <poningru> hmm?
[11:30] <poningru> where?
[11:30] <jenda> in the agenda
[11:30] <jenda> O_O
[11:30] <poningru> err I dont have link to agenda
[11:30] <jenda> ubotu is trying to say something...
[11:30] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings
[11:30] <boredandblogging> swag as in stuff to give away?
[11:30] <poningru> oh right
[11:30] <jenda> boredandblogging: or sell cheaply
[11:30] <poningru> I think that was just for DIY
[11:30] <adamant1988> swag is nice.
[11:30] <adamant1988> I vote for T-Shirt stickers
[11:31] <jenda> aaahh, so The Department of Redundancy Department ;)
[11:31] <adamant1988> Those Iron on things
[11:31] <jenda> adamant1988: They're on my ToDo list ;)
[11:31] <adamant1988> jenda: let me know when that's done ;)
[11:31] <poningru> but it was more of how can we get $$$->cheaper countries
[11:31] <jenda> in fact, they're what I'm after most, but didn't find anything suitable yet...
[11:31] <jenda> poningru: mhm
[11:32] <poningru> oh I guess the next point is redundant as well...
[11:32] <adamant1988> Yeah it is.
[11:32] <jenda> I assume thta could be made even more effective in other countries.
[11:32] <poningru> right
[11:32] <beuno> jenda, how about ubuntu "void" stickers   :p
[11:32] <poningru> so I wanted to figure out how we can determine which country has the cheapest of everything
[11:32] <jenda> beuno: wuzzat?
[11:32] <jenda> poningru: that'll go hand in hand.
[11:33] <jenda> poningru: because 90% of the price is always the work put in.
[11:33] <poningru> like some country may have cheapest t-shirts, but another may have cheaper stickers
[11:33] <poningru> hmm true
[11:33] <jenda> not probable
[11:33] <beuno> jenda: have you ever seen stickers on hardware, that if you remove it, the sticker breaks and "void" is writin all over?  (it's a joke though)
[11:33] <jenda> hehe
[11:33] <jenda> interesting..
[11:34] <beuno> I think argentina probably has the cheapest prices in all that, I made tshirts for 4 us dollars
[11:34] <poningru> waah?
[11:34] <beuno> and I've washed them over 20 times, and the text is still perfect
[11:34] <beuno> :D
[11:34] <poningru> awesome
[11:34] <jenda> beuno: that's good...
[11:35] <jenda> beuno: we'll discuss that some time.. I'll make you massproduce that stuff ;)
[11:35] <beuno> haha
[11:35] <jenda> anyway, anything else regarding swag?
[11:35] <beuno> I can get some sticker pricing too, but for next meeting
[11:35] <poningru> nope
[11:35] <jenda> I'd just like to point out that there are several people out there who have expressed interest in producing swag for the community...
[11:36] <jenda> There are people thinking of shirts, iron-ons, badges, and stuff...
[11:36] <jenda> :)
[11:36] <poningru> yeah hopefully diymarketing will be enough to handling it
[11:36] <jenda> hopefully :)
[11:36] <poningru> err s/ing/e
[11:36] <adamant1988> So, we've already covered the next point
[11:36] <poningru> err kinda
[11:36] <jenda> Some of them are in it partially for profit.
[11:36] <poningru> so regarding that
[11:36] <jenda> actually that's a point to discuss
[11:36] <beuno> when's the next meeting?   2 weeks from now?
[11:37] <jenda> What do we, Ubuntu, think about selling Ubuntu swag for a profit?
[11:37] <jenda> beuno: if we get DIY out, then yes ;)
[11:37] <adamant1988> jenda: as long as they make the source code available ;)
[11:37] <meatballhat> +1 for for-profit
[11:37] <meatballhat> :)
[11:37] <jenda> I'm for that too.
[11:37] <adamant1988> I have no problems with profit, particularly if it bring the marketing team some cash to play with
[11:37] <beuno> I'd like to have the next meeting scheduled now  :D   Burgundavia?
[11:38] <poningru> err... I wanna do the next point
[11:38] <adamant1988> We need to cover the Mag too.
[11:38] <poningru> I dont think the walkthrough and the press release is enough
[11:38] <jenda> adamant1988: another point...
[11:38] <jenda> the marketing team HAS cash to play with.
[11:38] <poningru> we do?
[11:39] <jenda> I hold that cash right now, but it's intended for marketing purposes.
[11:39] <jenda> poningru: the profit from the stickers and posters.
[11:39] <poningru> ah gotcha
[11:39] <adamant1988> jenda: aha
[11:39] <jenda> it's currently about $200, and $200 can be expected from the remaining stock
[11:39] <poningru> well...  dude you put effort into all of this... maybe that cash should be yours?
[11:40] <beuno> +1 for poningru
[11:40] <beuno> I got my stickers, with little effort, I'd be glad if jenda got some money out of it
[11:42] <boredandblogging> did it just get real quiet?
[11:42] <jenda> err
[11:42] <jenda> poningru: no
[11:42] <jenda> :)
[11:42] <adamant1988> yeah it did.
[11:42] <poningru> right so as long as the people put up their stuff in an open license I dont think anyone has problems with them making money off of it
[11:42] <jenda> I'm happy to use that money in a useful way
[11:42] <poningru> yeah like foodz
[11:42] <poningru> and beer
[11:42] <poningru> but thats all you can use it for
[11:43] <jenda> The money is legally mine, and I'll decide what happens to it, but if an MT project could use it, don't hesitate to ask.
[11:43] <jenda> heheh
[11:43] <jenda> For example, if someone in a cheap country was going to produce swag, but couldn't affort the initial investment...
[11:43] <jenda> that would be a worthwhile way of using it.
[11:43] <poningru> hmm true
[11:44] <beuno> hmmm... I have been wanting to buy a wii...  uhm... start producing swag...
[11:44] <poningru> rofl
[11:44] <adamant1988> great, then we have money to use towards marketing efforts
[11:44] <poningru> excellent
[11:44] <poningru> jenda: can I start on the next point?
[11:44] <beuno> adamant1988: we "potentianlly" have money to use towards marketing efforts  :D
[11:44] <adamant1988> Didn't we already cover that?
[11:44] <poningru> adamant1988: no there's couple of other things I wanna do
[11:44] <jenda> sure
[11:45] <poningru> so yeah I wanna do more than just the press release and walkthrough
[11:45] <poningru> there is the obvious
[11:45] <poningru> digg, reddit, slashdot, osnews etc.
[11:45] <poningru> lol
[11:46] <poningru> but what about getting to other websites?
[11:46] <adamant1988> I saw a really awesome thing on Phoronix that we could mimic for this.  It was a visual history of Ubuntu up to date.
[11:46] <jenda> What about getting to other... papers?
[11:46] <poningru> jenda: I think thats part of Press release
[11:46] <poningru> but yeah the sending part needs discussing
[11:47] <poningru> we need the translators to translate and then send it to their newspapers
[11:47] <adamant1988> I can send a copy of the release to my Local papers, don't know if they would be willing to put it in or not
[11:47] <beuno> poningru: seems like a LoCo effort
[11:47] <boredandblogging> i asked this once on the mailing list, but how do we approach writers about feisty or ubuntu in general
[11:47] <beuno> I can get my LoCo to translate and send tot he newspapers too
[11:48] <poningru> beuno: right I think marketing+loco needs to work together on this
[11:48] <adamant1988> Ok, so what else can WE as the marketing team do to spread this?
[11:48] <jenda> poningru: I'll gladly do for Czech ;)
[11:48] <poningru> jenda: awesome
[11:48] <poningru> adamant1988: I was thinking facebook, myspace, livejournal etc.
[11:48] <jenda> In fact, I'd prefer that to giving it to the translation team ;) (eventhough they do a great job on the distro)
[11:49] <adamant1988> poningru: weren't you the one who raised concerns about going through web 2.0 channels?
[11:49] <beuno> jenda: for the translations, yes, but someone has to get it to the press
[11:49] <poningru> adamant1988: hehe yeah :p
[11:49] <poningru> adamant1988: but that was for UWN
[11:49] <poningru> I want UWN to be a bit more classy
[11:49] <adamant1988> poningru: Web 2.0 is a huge echo chamber, we're not getting to anyone new through it.
[11:50] <poningru> hehe
[11:50] <adamant1988> The people who hear about it on most web 2.0 sites are only people who WANT to hear about it, and frankly if they're looking for Ubuntu they know what it is and where to find it
[11:51] <poningru> but see I was thinking things like release party events on facebook
[11:51] <jenda> beuno: I can try that here, can't guarantee success. I have one good contact, I think.
[11:51] <poningru> I think this point has faltered out
[11:52] <beuno> jenda: no one does, but it still isn't bad to get it to them anywat
[11:52] <poningru> adamant1988: do the magazine
[11:52] <adamant1988> poningru: I agree, I think for the moment the usual channels are fine
[11:52] <poningru> yeah...
[11:52] <beuno> *nyway
[11:52] <adamant1988> Onto the magazine?
[11:52] <jenda> okeydokey...
[11:52] <jenda> Knightlust: ping
[11:52] <jenda> boredandblogging: ping
[11:52] <beuno> I have to go for 10 min
[11:52] <Knightlust> ?
[11:52] <boredandblogging> http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/wiki/RecentChanges
[11:53] <adamant1988> Ok, I spoke with Jenda briefly about this.  I'm volunteering to head the magazine project
[11:53] <jenda> you two were interested in the Magazine?
[11:53] <Knightlust> im here
[11:53] <Knightlust> ohh yes
[11:53] <boredandblogging> oops, this looks like the old magazine : http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/wiki/RecentChanges
[11:53] <jenda> adamant1988: we'll see, if that'll be happening ;)
[11:53] <boredandblogging> stupid copy and paste https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazine/
[11:53] <adamant1988> jenda: I think even a few people can do it for starters.
[11:53] <boredandblogging> i think the magazine is a huge project
[11:53] <boredandblogging> going to be very time consuming
[11:53] <Burgundavia> indeed
[11:53] <Knightlust> besides, we already have topics ready. the UWN could cover 50% of the content
[11:53] <boredandblogging> and require quite a few people
[11:54] <Burgundavia> I have looked at doing a magazine in the past as well
[11:54] <Knightlust> and the rest from contributions from the community
[11:54] <jenda> hmm
[11:54] <adamant1988> I've got the time to put into the details for it, and probably writing articles and such as well.
[11:54] <boredandblogging> and we would have to decide what kind of timeframe, like monthly?
[11:54] <Knightlust> i think people will be much interested in howtos and technologies
[11:54] <adamant1988> There's also a thread on the forums from people who want this
[11:54] <beuno> the magazine would need much more "procesing" of the information, explain what it "means"
[11:54] <adamant1988> So we can work with themm
[11:54] <jenda> First, you have to think of 1) who is your target audience 2) what you want to give them.
[11:54] <Knightlust> and advertisements would be able to support it
[11:54] <jenda> 2) how it'll be published to reach them best
[11:55] <boredandblogging> hopefully not on the wiki ;-)
[11:55] <jenda> (I'd avoid advertisements for now, but it is, in fact, a detail)
[11:55] <jenda> ALso, you should realise why this has never happened before...
[11:55] <Knightlust> pdf for now and then try a hard-copy
[11:55] <adamant1988> Well, I can put up a spec on this.  As for target audience I think we should be aiming for current Ubuntu users and providing content that is relevant to them.
[11:55] <jenda> well, it hasn't happened because it was waay too much work to orchestrate
[11:56] <boredandblogging> there are specs for the old ones arleady, check them out
[11:56] <jenda> adamant1988: don't start a new spec... the magazine has been well specced before...
[11:56] <adamant1988> boredandblogging: I'll make it a point to go through them and see about it :)
[11:56] <boredandblogging> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu-magazine
[11:56] <Knightlust> hmm, i would agree that it'll be too much work, so we could vote whether we release it monthly, bi-monthly, or quarterly
[11:56] <jenda> You also have to consider what the Fridge is doing, what the UWN is doing, and what the planet is doing - and most importantly - how the Mag would differ.
[11:56] <beuno>  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-magazine
[11:57] <jenda> Now if you are serious about it, I can try to draw back some of the old crew.
[11:57] <beuno> I think the mag should be non-techie
[11:57] <adamant1988> jenda: I think the magazing should offer more in depth and relevant articles.  The fridge is news, the UWN is news and some blogs.
[11:57] <jenda> They left because there wasn't enough of a support or a team to create the mag.
[11:57] <adamant1988> The magazine should be stories, articles, how-toos, etc.
[11:57] <jenda> adamant1988: so soemtihng along the lines of Behind Ubuntu, but broader?
[11:57] <Burgundavia> here is what I would do: figure out the content for the 1st edition, mostly reusing old stuff
[11:57] <Burgundavia> then sit down and just do it
[11:58] <Burgundavia> nothing will attract people like success
[11:58] <adamant1988> jenda: Yeah, it's "Linux for human beings" people should kind of be seeing the people who are behind it.
[11:58] <adamant1988> There are a lot of possibilities for good content
[11:58] <adamant1988> that isn't already monopolized by the fridge or the UWN
[11:58] <boredandblogging> this looks like the spec for the first issue: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazine/TableOfContents
[11:59] <boredandblogging> the old first issue or whatever
[11:59] <Burgundavia> they were being very ambitious with the first try
[11:59] <adamant1988> Like I said, I have the time to invest in this.  Chopping it up into smaller parts to make them more bite-size will help speed things along.
[11:59] <Burgundavia> that is probably what sunk it
[11:59] <boredandblogging> Burgundavia, yeah
[11:59] <Burgundavia> think small
[11:59] <adamant1988> I think we should really strive to be realistic in scope
[11:59] <jenda> Burgundavia++
[12:00] <boredandblogging> adamant1988, I think quite a few people have to have a lot of time
[12:00] <jenda> (on creating a first issue)
[12:00] <jenda> Burgundavia: that, and lack of support from the team..
[12:00] <adamant1988> boredandblogging: there are, it's true.
[12:00] <Burgundavia> jenda: they didn't produce anything beyond some words on a page
[12:00] <jenda> hmpfh
[12:01] <adamant1988> I will get in touch with the people who keep the thread on the forums going and see if they would like to get involved in this.
[12:01] <adamant1988> I know there were 3-4 there.
[12:02] <jenda> adamant1988: which people?
[12:02] <jenda> ah, the forums
[12:02] <adamant1988> jenda: just a second'
[12:02] <jenda> kk
[12:02] <poningru> hmm
[12:02] <poningru> awesome
[12:02] <adamant1988> Yeah there was a thread on the forums asking for this
[12:02] <poningru> ok guys I have to run
[12:02] <poningru> need sleep
[12:02] <adamant1988> I'll get in contact with the people who wanted to start it.
[12:02] <poningru> nn
[12:03] <Knightlust> the TOC looks good, we only need content. probably 50% from UWN and fridge. then the rest from contribs... the tips and tricks from the forums or the wiki tutorials
[12:03] <adamant1988> Knightlust: I think we should avoid pulling content from either
[12:03] <adamant1988> The fridge and the UWN are already handling the news, we should cover the most relevant bits in an editorial fashion I think.
[12:03] <boredandblogging> if its going to be timely, it probably can't pull items from the fridge or UWN
[12:03] <Knightlust> hmmm
[12:04] <adamant1988> boredandblogging: I'm thinking Monthly releases
[12:04] <Burgundavia> behind ubuntu is a good place for content
[12:04] <Knightlust> adamant1988: we'll need to have a lot of time in our hands if it's going to be monthly
[12:04] <Burgundavia> as are blogs about using X program on Ubuntu
[12:04] <Knightlust> either that or we reuse content
[12:05] <adamant1988> Burgundavia: I agree, and I think we should be really getting a lot of good interviews and articles.  The community could really supply good how-to articles
[12:05] <boredandblogging> Knightlust, agreed, have to scope this out clearly, this will easily get out of hand if not careful
[12:05] <adamant1988> Knightlust: I think that dedicating a section to news is important, and we should prune the UWN and fridge for the most relevant articles
[12:06] <adamant1988> but the problem is that by the time we release them, they're old news
[12:06] <Knightlust> adamant1988: i agree
[12:06] <boredandblogging> will it be old news for the target reader? what is the target audience?
[12:06] <jenda> I think that after a few issues, there is a decent chance of big support from the 'regular users'
[12:06] <adamant1988> boredandblogging: Well, I think we should be aiming at the typical Ubuntu user
[12:07] <adamant1988> and providing content that is relevant and interesting to them
[12:07] <boredandblogging> thats vague
[12:07] <boredandblogging> are we talking about lots of overlap with the UWN?
[12:07] <boredandblogging> if so, we can't repeat a lot
[12:07] <boredandblogging> if not, then we can pull stories from the UWN and fridge
[12:07] <adamant1988> boredandblogging: there shouldn't be any over lap with the UWN, this is a magazine not a weekly news article.
[12:08] <adamant1988> We could post editorial accounts on BIG news, but for the most part let the UWN do that they do
[12:08] <adamant1988> @schedule
[12:08] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 02 Apr 15:00: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 11:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 15:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 18:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 12:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[12:08] <jenda> brrr
[12:09] <boredandblogging> i don't clearly see the difference here...we are trying to get more readers to read the UWN...so those readers won't be reading the monthly?
[12:09] <adamant1988> Anywho, I think we're talking in circles in IRC.  This is probably a discussion for the mailing list.
[12:09] <jenda> maybe
[12:09] <adamant1988> boredandblogging: the magazine would meet a completely different want.
[12:09] <jenda> keep in mind it's not new, though, and some people will go 'oh god, not again' ;)
[12:10] <Knightlust> hehe
[12:10] <adamant1988> jenda: I think part of the key to getting this out is to make everyone responsible to someone
[12:10] <boredandblogging> if we do the Burgundavia suggestion of something like Behind Ubuntu, it could be interesting
[12:11] <Burgundavia> behind ubuntu needs to be restarted
[12:11] <jenda> adamant1988: heh
[12:11] <Burgundavia> anyway, I have to run
[12:11] <jenda> Burgundavia: sudo shutdown -r now?
[12:11] <adamant1988> boredandblogging: That's the same thing I'm suggesting
[12:11] <Knightlust> wait, lemme try to create a draft or sample, then i'll send it via list.
[12:12] <jenda> good night :)
[12:12] <boredandblogging> adamant1988, i suggest another mockup ;-)
[12:12] <Knightlust> it'll take a while though coz im preparing a presentation for my ubuntu talk, but i'll create one
[12:12] <adamant1988> boredandblogging: let's hammer out the details in the mailing list
[12:12] <boredandblogging> sounds good
[12:12] <adamant1988> everyone think that's acceptable?
[12:12] <Knightlust> adamant1988: ayt, it'll be much better, people would have more time to think about it
[12:13] <adamant1988> Ok, so we'll take this on the mailing list
[12:13] <adamant1988> Done then?