[12:00] <ScottL> hi abogani
[12:02]  * ScottL is off towork
[13:06] <ailo> scott-work, I've been having some internet problems. I should be able to connect now. I'm available for discussing the documentation this week. Did you start anything yet?
[13:07]  * abogani waves all
[13:08] <scott-work> hi abogani !
[13:09] <scott-work> which kernel should i be looking at for testing?  the latest in /broken?
[13:09] <scott-work> hi ailo, we missed you yesterday at the meeting, but nevertheless i am glad you seem to have resolve your issues
[13:09] <abogani> scott-work: Yeah
[13:10] <ailo> scott-work, Yeah. Sorry about that. Haven't read through it yet. I'll have a look at it
[13:10] <scott-work> ailo: i am looking forward to working on the documentation.  did you want to use the outline i had created before?
[13:10] <scott-work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/IntroTutVideos
[13:12] <scott-work> ailo: it's not a big deal about the meeting, not much came out that (i think) we didn't already know
[13:12] <scott-work> except that jorge will not be working on the website any longer on account of life
[13:12]  * scott-work learned a lesson from this situation
[13:12] <ailo> scott-work, jorge's dropping out completely? What about implementing his work?
[13:13] <scott-work> ailo: i'm not sure how involved he would have been during implementation, but yes practically immediately he will be needed to move on
[13:14] <scott-work> he took a job in japan and thought he had several months to prepare, turned out he had less than a month to move apparently
[13:15] <ailo> scott-work, I need to load the IntroTutVideos into my RAM :P. Later today I can let you know what I think. Seemed like everyone were really into jorge's work, so it would be a shame if we don't use it.
[13:17] <ailo> I read from the logs that it is to be used
[13:17] <scott-work> yes, he felt it was quite functional and could still be used
[13:18] <scott-work> and it remains a considerable improvement from our current site
[13:18] <scott-work> i will email him today or tomorrow about getting the work from him so we can implement it
[13:18] <scott-work> by the way, i pulled a few strings and got some help getting my access to our website on canonical's server
[13:19] <scott-work> however, this still leaves a huge bottleneck for access
[13:19] <scott-work> i will be researching hosting and thinking about our hosting needs
[13:19]  * scott-work was concerned about hosting user content, but if they go the vimeo or youtube route we can link those from our website
[13:22] <scott-work> i feel that with the limited access [1] to the canonical servers that if we can find a comparatively inexpensive hosting resource then we should go with hosting the site our own
[13:23] <scott-work> my concern is financing the hosting, i personally do not want to be liable for this cost solely out of my own pocket
[13:23] <scott-work> it seems that jorge intimated that this wouldn't be a concern so i would like to get his thoughts on this
[13:24] <scott-work> cory also apparently had some ideas in this area as well, so i would like to discuss it with him as well
[13:25] <scott-work> [1] while i have access, this is not enough, and given how difficult and/or time prohibitive it is to get access, i am finding this option rather difficult
[13:30] <ailo> As long as one can update the main site whenever needed, I still think having it hosted under Canonical is the best alternative.
[13:39] <scott-work> ailo: let me know when you are ready to talk about the documentation, both identifying the content and the order you wish to work it
[13:39] <scott-work> ailo: also, we could decide on splitting the work between us
[13:39] <scott-work> sadly, i don't expect anyone else to assist, but i was going to send out an email to the -users and -devel lmailing list anyways
[15:22] <falktx> hey guys
[15:39] <scott-work> hi falktx
[15:39] <scott-work> holstein: thanks for chairing the meeting by the way!
[15:41] <holstein> scott-work: o/
[15:41] <holstein> no problem
[15:41] <falktx> scott-work: did my us-menu thing got commited?
[15:51] <scott-work> falktx: i don't know, but i want to explain a few things to you so you have clear expectations
[15:51] <scott-work> falktx: pushing to bzr doesn't get teh package built or in the repos
[15:52] <scott-work> falktx: someone (i.e. persia or TheMuso or possibly someone else) has rights to do that currently
[15:52] <scott-work> falktx: but also before we do purse doing this i want to make sure we are making the right changes
[15:52] <falktx> scott-work: I know, we have to open a bug report first, then make a debdiff, blah ...
[15:53] <falktx> scott-work: I can make a patch... ?
[15:53] <scott-work> falktx:  we don't HAVE to make a bug report, etc
[15:53] <scott-work> falktx: The.Muso has regularly made necessary changes, pushed to bzr, then uploaded to the repos without bug reports
[15:54] <scott-work> falktx: my immediate concern is that the changes your are proposing are the correct ones
[15:55] <scott-work> falktx: is there something i can use to see what is changing?
[15:55] <falktx> scott-work: as I said, I can make a patch
[15:55] <falktx> give me 5 mins
[15:55] <scott-work> falktx: then sure :)  i would like the patch then
[15:58] <scott-work> holstein: but i still ask that we use the action command when we/someone needs to do something, this way it helps coordination and remind people of tasks that need to be accomplished
[15:58] <scott-work> holstein: it will especially be helpful when creating the minutes from the meeting
[16:01] <holstein> scott-work: will do
[16:01] <holstein> i actually used the action command for the same reason though
[16:02] <falktx> scott-work: here:
[16:02] <falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/us-menu_xfce.patch
[16:02] <falktx> use wget, firefox has utf-8 issues
[16:02] <scott-work> holstein: oh, sorry then ;)  i thought you used it in a few places to just announce some items, like new applications
[16:02] <holstein> the way that bot works
[16:02] <holstein> http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.20110605_1202.html
[16:03] <holstein> in this log (which we dont really have a policy in place yet anyways)
[16:03] <holstein> but, if you dont say 'action' it doesnt show up
[16:03] <holstein> i also was doing that to kinda breeze through the topics a bit, and get them counted*
[16:03] <holstein> Daviey: ping
[16:05] <scott-work> holstein: OOOHHHH, that's nice :)
[16:05] <scott-work> holstein: in this case, i wholeheartedly apologize for my ignorance ;)
[16:06] <holstein> scott-work: nah, i agree with you
[16:06] <holstein> i just went with it for that reason though
[16:06] <scott-work> oh falktx, we might also wait for the menu update until we see what cory has, i'm not sure it will affect this but it might
[16:06] <holstein> action *should* be just for action items
[16:07] <holstein> scott-work: i'll ask daivey about how to get the mootbotuk fucntionality
[16:07] <scott-work> yeah, i looked for a [NOTE] command and only saw [IDEA] holstein
[16:07] <holstein> im sure its something im not familiar with*
[16:07] <holstein> mootbot-uk would spit out .html, and a moin log too
[16:08] <holstein> that was VERY helpful, and looked nice, and was paste-able on the wiki's
[16:08] <Daviey> holstein: o./
[16:08] <holstein> Daviey: COOL
[16:08] <holstein> Daviey: do you have a minute?
[16:08] <Daviey> I am indeed.
[16:08] <scott-work> lol
[16:08] <holstein> hehe
[16:08] <scott-work> anythying we can do to make it easier would be great, including getting minutes into the wiki
[16:08] <Daviey> holstein: For you, i have 2 mins.
[16:08] <holstein> i have a question about the bot from -meeting
[16:08] <holstein> http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.20110605_1202.html
[16:08] <holstein> ^ thats the log i get
[16:09] <scott-work> falktx: but i will look at the patch shortly, but i'm at work right now on a windows machine :/
[16:09] <holstein> and i remember from mootbot-uk i was getting some moin? right?
[16:09] <holstein> thats really nice and easy
[16:09] <holstein> am i just not looking in the right place?
[16:09] <Daviey> holstein: yes.. only mootbot-uk has moin output
[16:09] <holstein> Daviey: DOOD, thats *so* nice
[16:09] <holstein> i cant believe its not in the -meeting bot :/
[16:10] <Daviey> I didn't author the moin output facility, but i'll happily take the praise by proxy.
[16:10] <holstein> Daviey: :)
[16:10] <holstein> well, that answers my short-term question then
[16:10] <Daviey> Handy, because you are out of time :)
[16:11] <holstein> Daviey: thanks o/
[16:16] <scott-work> holstein: i'm hoping to go ahead and implement a header like xubuntu does: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[16:16] <scott-work> i had played with this before i really would like to do this, maybe make a template that we start new pages with
[16:17] <scott-work> also, you notice that if you look at the code for the wiki, it's a reference, the code itself isn't listed on each page

[16:17] <scott-work> that's two of the headers:  the larger menu and the smaller banner
[16:17] <holstein> i realize that can happen*
[16:17] <holstein> in practice though...
[16:18] <holstein> im still learning
[16:18] <scott-work> lol, why do you keep ending sentences with an asterisk?
[16:18] <scott-work> i keep waiting for the explanation at the bottom of the page :)
[16:18] <holstein> *reading this message may cause headaches ;)
[16:18] <scott-work> LOL
[16:18] <holstein> not sure...
[16:18] <holstein> its a bad habit*
[16:19] <scott-work> hehehe
[16:19] <holstein> its part of my using enter for punctuation problem
[16:20] <scott-work> i haven't done it yet because i kept thinking about trying to find all the things we might need there without showing too much and not actually doing _anything_ in the process
[16:20] <scott-work> oh, that was to be *anything* because i don't think my underscores showed up :/
[16:20] <scott-work> oh, there they are, my bad
[16:20] <scott-work> but i realize now that if we get something up there then we can always add or take away from it :P
[16:21] <scott-work> as it is, nothing has been done up till this point
[16:21] <holstein> scott-work: header-wise?
[16:21] <scott-work> ailo: you up to testing abogani new kernel?  I should be by this weekend
[16:21] <scott-work> holstein: yes
[16:21] <scott-work> although i guess that could be an apt description of many things....trying to get it set up perfectly and not actually accomplishing anything for months and months
[16:23] <holstein> eh, that could be another thing i could take on though
[16:23] <holstein> not too technical
[16:48] <scott-work> astraljava: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing
[16:49] <scott-work> this is the Xubuntu testing page that i said i would link to you
[16:51] <scott-work> linux outlaws published the episode with the xfce interview in it :)
[16:51] <scott-work> they used a crappy old picture of me for the show notes :(
[16:51] <scott-work> http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/211
[17:45] <scott-work> holstein: don't feel like you have to be the one to do the header thing, i'll help as well
[18:05] <falktx> scott-work: oh, US related podcast ?
[18:07] <scott-work> falktx: the linux outlaw thing?  yeah, i emailed them about ubuntu studio moving over and they wanted to interview about it
[18:09] <falktx> cool
[18:10] <falktx> scott-work: I see you...
[18:12] <scott-work> yeah, lol
[18:12] <scott-work> i told fab he choose the scrariest picture i have
[18:12] <scott-work> i'm totally cuddly and huggable...really ;)
[18:30] <astraljava> scott-work: Thanks, I'm on it!
[18:31] <scott-work> astraljava: as some point i'd like for us to put in the wiki the differences and uses of the daily images vs. the published alpha/beta/rc images
[18:32] <scott-work> as well
[18:32] <scott-work> and maybe even develop some levels of testing
[18:32] <scott-work> i.e. level0 might be test the iso, that is, does the iso image install and work
[18:32] <scott-work> level1 - system settings, that is, does jackd work because we have the user in the audio group
[18:33] <scott-work> level2 - application testing, does that latest version fix a bug
[18:33] <astraljava> scott-work: I agree, it should help bring in volunteers, or at the very least help understand what parts have been tested and where we stand in the devel cycle.
[18:33] <scott-work> these are just some things floating in my head
[18:33] <scott-work> astraljava: oh agree, the better we document how to test then we are more likely to get people who can and will test :)
[18:33] <astraljava> scott-work: That's good, all help is more than welcome, as I said, not a real tester. :D
[18:34] <scott-work> astraljava: i don't think anyone really is, ailo probably has dug into testing the kernel more than anyone else at this point however
[18:36] <astraljava> Right. Well, I shall do some initial preparation, and then we could have some meeting of sort, to go over the stuff and hear about people's ideas for what is missing etc.
[18:56] <falktx> cya
[21:56] <scott-work> i interviewed with the Linux Outlaws about ubuntu studio in general, and the xfce transition in specific:  http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/211
[21:56] <scott-work> i *think* it went pretty well
[22:27] <astraljava> ScottL: Coolness! Will listen to the podcast tomorrow.
[22:33] <ailo_> ScottL, Sorry. Been a busy day. Got my internet working well today at least. I saw abogani's build of the new kernel, so I will install and try it. Soon time to start testing it. On the documentation, I'll need another day for it. After a quick look, it looks ok to me. I think I'll be mostly interested in the audio bit concerning system setup, hardware issues and even workflow. I would like to limit the documentation so it d
[22:33] <ailo_> oesn't get too specific with some things.
[22:37] <ailo_> Specific things can be covered in the wiki. It would be nice to have a page with links in alphabetical order to anything related to Ubuntu Studio
[22:37] <astraljava> ailo_: I would very much appreciate your advice and views on how to document some of those from testing point of view.
[22:37] <astraljava> ailo_: Also a good point, will keep that in mind.
[22:39] <ailo_> astraljava, Documentation on testing?
[22:40] <astraljava> ailo_: We were talking about this with Scott, that we want to have quite detailed steps of what things need to be tested in order to provide a solid and functional distribution.
[22:41] <astraljava> ailo_: I will be in charge of creating such documentation. Since you have quite a lot of experience in working with these kind of multimedia distributions, your opinions would be greatly valued.
[22:45] <ailo_> astraljava, I suppose I do have some experience from different things that have been a problem in the past concerning multimedia distros, but I haven't worked on a testing procedure myself. I'm sure I can contribute with a few ideas on audio orientated stuff.
[22:46] <ailo_> I know holstein has experience from recording. Ralf on the mail list seems to have some experience on some specific areas like midi
[22:48] <ailo_> I myself am mostly experienced in setting up a system for realtime audio, but I don't use a big variety of software normally. I do have experience with all sorts of software on other systems, like sequencers, daws and wave editors
[22:50] <ailo_> So, I know my way around audio software, just not as much on Linux as on Windows for instance
[22:51] <astraljava> ailo_: Sure, well, one part of the testing will be how the system settings can be set, for instance Scott mentioned jackd settings.
[22:52] <ailo_> jackd I do know my way around, so no problem ther3e
[22:53] <astraljava> Cool. Well, I will at some point create a base page for the testing stuff, I'll quite possibly borrow heavily from Xubuntu. When I have something in place, I'd like to have a meeting of sort to discuss about that.
[22:54] <astraljava> Create test cases, see what needs to be done in order to be confident we have a solid release coming by the end of the devel cycle.
[22:55] <ailo_> From my experience with Natty so far, I think doing more testing with standard stuff like jack / pulseaudio may be a good idea
[22:57] <ailo_> If there is a nice, clean testing procedure that is not too hard to complete, it would be easier to try get more people to do tests
[22:58] <ailo_> So, I'm all for getting some work done on that
[23:06] <astraljava> ailo_: Good to hear! Thanks. :)
[23:37] <rlameiro> ScottL: Going to strat listene to your interview right now :D
[23:38] <rlameiro> 6 AM???????
[23:38] <rlameiro> WTF???? lol
[23:39] <astraljava> Fame doesn't look at the clock, you know. :D
[23:40] <rlameiro> lol
[23:42] <ScottL> rlameiro, 6 am was when the interview started...
[23:43] <ScottL> i actually got up a bit earlier than that
[23:43] <ScottL> ailo, i'll read this in a bit after i take the dogs outside for their business ;)
[23:43] <rlameiro> ScottL: man, if i were a woman I would ask you to marry me :D
[23:43] <astraljava> ScottL: Cool! What kind of dogs?
[23:44] <astraljava> rlameiro: He's taken.
[23:44] <astraljava> rlameiro: If he weren't, I would.
[23:44] <astraljava> You're next in line.
[23:44] <rlameiro> yeah, I know, but one can try, cant we?
[23:53] <ScottL> astraljava, we have two shih tzu's
[23:55] <ailo> I usually get to walk a Samojed that likes to lick female pee off the grass. He also likes used raindeer food.  I'd like to drop by then.
[23:57] <ScottL> ailo, i agree that an index would be nice, i think there is a way to do this if we "tag" each wiki page with a "group" or "subgroup" or we could do it the old fashion and manual way
[23:57] <ScottL> ailo, yes i will be at work tomorrow and should be available at almost any time during the day
[23:57] <ailo> ScottL, Tagging should be easy enough. Seems like there's a similar system to what is used in wikipedia
[23:57] <ScottL> ailo, please work on any part of the documentation that moves you and I will happily work on the rest
[23:58] <ailo> Wikipedia uses categories and subcategories


[21:40] <ajmitch> stgraber: your lxc posts on your blog are useful, I'm looking to try & use it for something a bit lighter than virtualbox for testing :)
[21:41] <stgraber> ajmitch: thanks! yeah, I'm using containers everyday for testing. Even got d-i to run in a container so I can test netcfg without a VM :)
[21:45] <ajmitch> nice
[21:46] <ajmitch> I've been using vagrant to automate set up & tear down of VMs, is there something similar for lxc?
[21:50] <stgraber> not that I know of, most people using lxc for development setup a basic container by hand, then use lxc-clone or lxc-start-ephemeral to spawn new containers based on that template
[21:50] <ajmitch> right, that sounds useful
[21:50] <stgraber> (clone copies the container, lxc-start-ephemeral uses overlayfs to do copy-on-write and looses all changes when shutdown)
[21:50] <ajmitch> I think ephemeral containers is what I'd use most
[21:51] <ajmitch> no man page for lxc-start-ephemeral, how disappointing ;)
[21:52] <stgraber> yeah, it's not upstream yet, I know hallyn started working on a manpage when preparing the branch for upstream
[21:53] <stgraber> ajmitch: http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc.serverguide.pdf might be useful, a better version has been pushed to the ubuntu server guide but I don't think it's online yet
[21:57] <ajmitch> thanks


[23:02] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +2572 cases (now 1.5 million), +89 deaths (now 26015), +27921 tests (now 8.9 million) since a day ago


[01:08] <vantech> update on the lubuntu installation, it's reached at the point "retrieving file 94 of 135(31min 10s remaining)" i'm clenching my hands it doesn't crash again
[01:27] <manup> https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=ted%20gunderson&kind=video
[15:35] <Guest40252> snowflake?
[15:38] <Guest40252> #dinocrack is back!


[01:07] <tertl3> hi
[15:55] <virtu> hi
[15:56] <AutoStatic> Hello virtu
[15:56] <virtu> AutoStatic: hi, how are you? =)
[15:57] <AutoStatic> I'm fine and you?
[15:57] <virtu> me too =)
[15:57] <virtu> listening to a nice synth sound from korg m3
[15:57] <virtu> at youtube
[15:58] <AutoStatic> :)
[15:58] <virtu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na1mLpjxmYY
[15:58] <AutoStatic> He he, that's unchartered territory for me, external synths
[15:58] <virtu> "This music is dedicated to the two Voyager spacecraft and to the people who made them possible."
[15:59] <AutoStatic> Cool stuff, listening to it now too
[16:00] <virtu> very cool... very "spacy" music
[16:02] <AutoStatic> It sure is, a bit too cheesy for my taste but all in all a nice track
[16:02] <virtu> =)
[16:03] <virtu> I also thinks that music was very well produced and edited
[23:23] <acerimmer> Added a mixer/mic combo to my UbuntuStudio - but does it work with linux?  http://youtu.be/xyVPCPRamTA?hd=1
[23:26] <holstein> acerimmer: nice :)
[23:26] <holstein> keep 'em coming
[23:27] <acerimmer> *blush*  thx


[03:30] <chu> Incoming stevendale.
[03:35] <dax> good prediction chu
[03:35] <dax> stevendale: something we can help with?
[03:41] <stevendale> Yeah
[03:42] <dax> (if it's just the thing chu's working on, then never mind me :)
[03:43] <chu> I think it's done? stevendale can you try joining #ubuntu-offtopic now
[03:48] <stevendale> Please help in #ubuntu, <RasAlGhoul> posted something malicious
[03:48] <dax> problem seems to have solved itself.
[03:48] <stevendale> Thanks dax
[09:43] <bazhang> whatsapp on ubuntu
 swore in #ubuntu. Thank you in advance
[19:26] <hggdh> @mark #ubutu rafal quieted -- recommending rm -rf /
[19:27] <hggdh> @login
[19:28] <hggdh> @btlogin
[19:34] <Unit193> hggdh: You spelled the channel wrong.
[19:34] <hggdh> dammit
[19:34] <hggdh> my typing skills are decreasing
[19:35] <hggdh> @mark ubuntu rafal quieted -- recommending rm -rf /
[19:35] <hggdh> heh
[19:36] <Unit193> hggdh: You, uh, should add yourself to the ACL as a team member.
[19:37] <hggdh> Unit193: huh? not there anymore?
[19:38] <hggdh> which capabilities should I select, then?
[19:40] <Unit193> hggdh: Because you are not an OP in a core channel, but +AViv is standard.
[19:44] <hggdh> and I still type like, uh, usually


[00:11] <jbicha_> darkxst: you might need to ask cjwatson (but he's out through the weekend)
[00:11] <jbicha_> roasted: are you using GNOME Classic?
[00:52] <roasted> no
[00:52] <roasted> jbicha_: gnome3 ppa, 3.8
[00:52] <roasted> 3.8.3 in particular
[09:52] <darkxst> jbicha_, so was thinking we could add a gnome3-next ppa?
[09:52] <darkxst> so gnome3 would be missing 3.8 bits
[09:53] <darkxst> gnome3-next stable 3.10 bits
[09:59] <darkxst> jbicha_, gjs update is still fine for saucy -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6017089/
[14:42] <petersaints> is there plans to release a GNOME 3.10 PPA for Saucy? Even if not immediately after the release of GNOME 3.10 at least for the Ubuntu 13.10 release?
[15:19] <ricotz> petersaints, there is, GNOME 3.10 saucy packages are staged in ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging for testing
[16:09] <petersaints> ricotz: Yeah I just noticed it. But they seem incomplete (yet). But well... I hope that later on a full non-Staging PPA becomes available :P
[16:29] <petersaints> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1076232 is there any idea if this bug is ever gonna be fixed? I mean... at least through a PPA it would be nice to have a pre-built Nautilus with tracker support.
[19:05] <petersaints> on Saucy there are currently missing some items on system settings, namely search, privacy and notification options. AFAIK they are missing from Raring with the PPA as well, but show up when using the Staging PPA. Is this intended? I mean it seems that because Ubuntu GNOME uses GNOME's base packages that are also used on the main Ubuntu, it leads to some stuff being unavailable on Ubuntu GNOME. This is sad... a true GNOME
[19:05] <petersaints> experience should be provided on this derivative. Any thoughts about this from anyone else?
[19:15] <bjsnider> it's typically because of instability due to conflicts with ubuntu packages
[19:15] <Ponch0> Hey guys how can I make a shortcut to the bar on left from an icon in a folder?
[19:24] <petersaints> bjsnider: I know... but it sucks. For example, Kubuntu has no such problems in offering a complete KDE experience because Ubuntu does not use GNOME.  Ideally Ubuntu GNOME should have an extra repo with packages that would override the ones used by "vanilla" Ubuntu. But I know that's not possible according to Canonical rules for official derivatives.
[20:10] <bjsnider> it's better to just have them peacefully coexist
[20:39] <petersaints> true.dat
[21:12] <darkxst> petersaints, that is because gnome-control-center needs to be updated to 3.8
[21:12] <darkxst> unfortunately it doesnt look like we will be able to get that in this cycle though
[21:13] <petersaints> darkxst: you are right
[21:13] <petersaints> I thought it was at 3.8 with some options disabled
[21:13] <petersaints> but I checked http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnome-control-center and it's at 3.6.3 on Saucy
[21:13] <petersaints> what a shame
[21:13] <darkxst> so we will ship g-c-c 3.8 on the ppa
[21:14] <darkxst> hopefully ubuntu will fork g-c-c next cycle
[21:14] <petersaints> ok darkxst. It's better than nothing ;)
[21:15] <Zoiaguyver> oh no please no more forks.. lets get some spoons or knives.
[21:15] <petersaints> yeah they are changing more and more stuff to integrate GNOME with Unity so it makes sense.
[21:15] <petersaints> Even though with the current 3.8 I believe that GNOME is much more mature and usable than Unity
[21:16] <petersaints> if it wasn't for their convergence ideas they'd be better with Ubuntu themed GNOME Shell than with Unity.
[21:17] <petersaints> darkxst: another thing that you could include in the PPA could be a version of Nautilus with Tracker support: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1076232
[21:18] <Zoiaguyver> Well that would be a problem, GNOME breaks the themeing every update as it is
[21:18] <petersaints> so that the activies overlay is able to show file results
[21:21] <darkxst> petersaints, well we could, but its generally a pain keeping things like that up to date (i.e. every new upload in the archive overrides ppa package)
[21:28] <bjsnider> convergence ideas?
[21:30] <Zoiaguyver> Think he was on about the Unity on everything (or well atleast when it hits ver 8.0)
[21:30] <bjsnider> they want it on phones
[21:30] <bjsnider> that's the bottom line
[21:30] <Zoiaguyver> Its also on Desktops and Tablets
[21:31] <Zoiaguyver> Its basically aimed to be a one UI fits all thing (or well one UI can adjust to all)
[21:31] <bjsnider> i think it's designed for phones and mobile handheld devices in general
[21:33] <Zoiaguyver> Well afaik it's designed to adjust to whatever its on. It was in a 13.10 desktop ppa I think for testing
[21:34] <darkxst> ricotz, hi
[21:34] <petersaints> exactly... but Unity 8 will still take some time to be the default
[21:34] <petersaints> probably only on 14.10
[21:34] <darkxst> ricotz, looks like mutter needs the new cogl
[21:35] <petersaints> 14.04 is LTS so I don't think they will put it
[21:35] <darkxst> I think unity 8 is planned for 14.10
[21:35] <Zoiaguyver> I can't see it going in 14.04 either, to have Mir and Unity 8 in there I think would be a little to much
[21:38] <darkxst> 14.04 will be Unity7 and XMir still
[21:38] <Zoiaguyver> Yeah
[21:39] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, yes, but not necessarily while reverting two commits, g-s is a more complicated and requires some (6) cherry-picked bug fixes for clutter
[21:39] <ricotz> darkxst, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/148161709/clutter-1.0_1.14.5%2Bgit20130627.74f9d8a5-0ubuntu1~13.10~ricotz0_1.14.5%2Bgit20130627.74f9d8a5-0ubuntu1~13.10~ricotz1.diff.gz
[21:40] <ricotz> mutter:
[21:40] <ricotz> 		git revert --no-edit fdfde62a331323bc7550f74ca2dcf44730c82ca4
[21:40] <ricotz> 		git revert --no-edit 2b940f6ababcfa7c02616574bc8a5203e582e86d
[21:40] <ricotz> 		git revert --no-edit f42682711b187489bfb8386ed0979db1edeed481
[21:40] <Zoiaguyver> Going to be harder for people with the derivatives after that change I think (Mir/Unity8), at least for a while.
[21:43] <darkxst> ricotz, ok
[21:56] <darkxst> ricotz, what do you think about adding another ppa gnome3-next for stable 3.10 bits, so can keep gnome3 for 3.8 bits that are/will be missing in saucy
[22:00] <ricotz> darkxst, hmm, doesnt sound that reasonable, and could get confusing for ppa users with a 3rd one, what is the rationale for that?
[22:03] <darkxst> ricotz, mainly that its incredibly unlikely that we will get g-c-c 3.8 into saucy
[22:03] <ricotz> darkxst, putting the 3.8 saucy packages in gnome3 seems fine until 3.10 is stable enough, is g-c-c 3.9.x already using the mutter dbus interface?
[22:05] <darkxst> ricotz, I believe so
[22:06] <ricotz> darkxst, saucy not getting those 3.8 bit doesnt sound like a reason to do so
[22:06] <ricotz> i guess you want to keep some kind of "backups" for later proposals?
[22:09] <darkxst> ricotz, well that, and it would be good to have more widespread testing for when it does finally land
[22:11] <ricotz> darkxst, hmm, i see
[22:20] <ricotz> darkxst, https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3-next
[22:22] <ricotz> darkxst, g2g, bxe
[22:22] <ricotz> bye


[12:25] <lucasvo> hm, ok just rebooting my server...
[12:25] <lucasvo> hope it works
[12:25] <lucasvo> ...
[12:25] <lionel> :)
[12:28] <lucasvo> doesn't look good
[12:29] <lucasvo> I guess I have to hook up my display again
[09:41] <[miles] > morning
[11:09] <apremoli> ciao
[11:10] <apremoli> Sono nuovo e sto cercando di capire come funziona IRC
[11:14] <firecrotch> I'm purchasing a dedicated web hosting account, and I can get any distro installed.  Since I'm familiar with Ubuntu, should I go with Ubuntu Server?
[11:16] <[miles] > hola apremoli
[11:17] <[miles] > firecrotch, nice.. any distro eh
[11:17] <[miles] > firecrotch, what u want to do with the box exactly?
[11:18] <firecrotch> It will primarily be a server for a set of message boards, as well as some multimedia content
[11:18] <apremoli> Hola miles
[11:18] <[miles] > apremoli, hablas espaol?
[11:19] <apremoli> No only Italian or English
[11:19] <[miles] > firecrotch, well.. I'll briefly tell u my story
[11:19] <[miles] > apremoli, ah ok.. sorry, I speak English and Spanish, but not Italian, but I can understand it
[11:20] <[miles] > firecrotch, I've used SuSE for a long long time... and for servers, their SLES range
[11:20] <[miles] > firecrotch, this is the first time I've setup a server using Ubuntu Server...
[11:20] <[miles] > firecrotch, I'm happy with it actually
[11:20] <[miles] > firecrotch, the one thing I trust implicitly about SUSE's SLES products, is their updates
[11:21] <firecrotch> miles, I was thinking that it would be a good choice, since I am familiar with Ubuntu, and the fact that it is built from Debian
[11:21] <[miles] > firecrotch, and if you've used SUSE, and know YaST2, well, it's one hell of a damn tool...
[11:21] <firecrotch> I only used SUSE for a little while
[11:21] <[miles] > firecrotch, as a rule, I *only* used SUSE for servers..
[11:22] <[miles] > this is the first time I've broken that rule
[11:22] <firecrotch> Are you happy that you broke your rule?
[11:22] <[miles] > firecrotch, yes, and no
[11:22] <[miles] > firecrotch, the issue to me is *always* security updates, and how timely and stable they are
[11:22] <[miles] > firecrotch, I wont lie, I have more faith in the updates from SUSE that Ubuntu...
[11:23] <[miles] > firecrotch, but that is only due to my experience with SUSE for many years
[11:23] <[miles] > firecrotch, I can't say hand on heart, "Yeah, Ubuntu Servers updates are rock solid, timely, well tested, etc"
[11:23] <[miles] > firecrotch, but I would say exactly the same regarding CentOS also
[11:24] <[miles] > firecrotch, also, SLES 10 for example, is not expensive at all
[11:24] <firecrotch> I should mention that I have issues with SUSE/Novell
[11:24] <[miles] > welcome skar
[11:25] <[miles] > firecrotch, what exactly?
[11:25] <skar> hi miles
[11:25] <firecrotch> deep seated religious-like issues with the fact that Novell has anything to do with Microsoft
[11:25] <firecrotch> :P
[11:25] <skar> any package of sqlgrey available?!!
[11:26] <[miles] > firecrotch, ok, thats more political than technical tho
[11:27] <firecrotch> Heh, yeah.
[11:27] <[miles] > firecrotch, I've worked with SUSE for 7 years
[11:27] <[miles] > firecrotch, I've seen it change a lot
[11:27] <[miles] > firecrotch, fragment
[11:27] <[miles] > firecrotch, etc
[11:27] <[miles] > firecrotch, just gotta role with it
[11:27] <[miles] > firecrotch, it's a damn fine distro for enterprise solutions, and it kicks the shit out of RHEL
[11:28] <[miles] > skar, lets have a look
[11:28] <[miles] > skar, http://sqlgrey.sourceforge.net/
[11:28] <[miles] > skar, of that yeah?
[11:28] <skar> m$ bought suse's friendship or something like that, nothing bad there for us users
[11:29] <skar> no big corp can be against users for so long
[11:29] <firecrotch> miles, so what I'm basically hearing is that you're most inclined towards SUSE because you're more familiar with it?
[11:29] <[miles] > firecrotch, better to say it has my trust
[11:29] <[miles] > firecrotch, I can move freely between distros without problem
[11:30] <firecrotch> Gotcha.
[11:30] <[miles] > firecrotch, security..security...security
[11:30] <firecrotch> Ubuntu (with it's Debian base :) ) has my trust
[11:30] <[miles] > firecrotch, I just trust their patching
[11:30] <skar> miles: yup already using sqlgrey in gentoo for my devel system, but for server ubuntu et al seem better but no deb for the best greylisting server :(
[11:30] <[miles] > skar, sudo aptitude show postgrey
[11:31] <[miles] > skar, that package is with ubuntu
[11:31] <[miles] > skar, that any use to u?
[11:32] <skar> yup but postgrey is too primitive and poor on features
[11:32] <[miles] > ok
[11:32] <[miles] > mmm, can u compile from source?
[11:32] <[miles] > and build your own .deb if required?
[11:34] <firecrotch> miles, thanks a lot for your input
[11:35] <[miles] > firecrotch, please don't think I'm knocking Ubuntu Server, cos' im not
[11:35] <[miles] > firecrotch, just to me, time will tell
[11:36] <[miles] > firecrotch, I believe it's in it's infancy
[11:41] <skar> miles: yes thats the option other than source install(its perl anyway)
[01:23] <lucasvo> hm, can someone help me with XEN?
[01:26] <lucasvo> [miles] : well I haven't even been able to boot my xen kernel
[01:26] <[miles] > lucasvo, sorry, I have noooo idea
[01:26] <[miles] > one sec, I have a mate who does Xen in Ubuntu...
[01:26] <[miles] > let me see if I can get him to join
[01:29] <[miles] > lucasvo, he's a bit busy atm, but he'll join shortly
[01:30] <lucasvo> ty
[01:31] <lucasvo> current status: reboots after it tries to load the kernel... :(
[01:36] <lucasvo> thefish: you know xen?
[01:36] <thefish> lucasvo: a little, what do you need to know?
[01:36] <lucasvo> well I want  to install it on edgy :)
[01:36] <thefish> ok cool
[01:36] <thefish> ive never done that, but i cant imagine its too tough
[01:36] <thefish> you need to run a xen kernel
[01:37] <thefish> so you will need to build your own
[01:37] <thefish> ps, whoever decided that #ubuntu-server should be about development might want to think again
[01:37] <thefish> #ubuntu-development may have been a slightly more intelligent choice
[01:38] <thefish> with #ubuntu-server doing what it says on the tin, serving as a place to discuss and get help for ubuntu SERVER
[01:38] <thefish> ffs
[01:39] <thefish> lucasvo: now thats over with, if you find a howto for dapper it should work
[01:40] <thefish> you basically need to: get zen patches against a certain kernel -> download that kernel -> patch it -> configure it with xen support -> build it -> boot it
[01:40] <thefish> you can use the same kernel for guests and the host
[01:41] <lucasvo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XenVirtualMachine/XenOnUbuntuEdgy
[01:42] <lucasvo> this doesn't seem to work for me
[01:42] <lucasvo> and it is outdated
[01:42] <thefish> aah ok, so theres a xen kernel in universe
[01:43] <thefish> lucasvo: where do you get stuck?
[01:44] <thefish> if you get stuck on boot, check the path to your /boot
[01:44] <lucasvo> thefish: the path is correct
[01:45] <thefish> you may need just /xen-3.0-i386.gz etc
[01:45] <lucasvo> it can load the modules but hten it reboots without warning
[01:45] <thefish> so where are you getting stuck? can you boot dom0?
[01:45] <lucasvo> no
[01:45] <thefish> ah
[01:45] <lucasvo> I can't boot
[01:45] <lucasvo> but grub can load the modules
[01:46] <thefish> make sure you have root= correct as well
[01:47] <thefish> sorry lucasvo i need to go, may be back in a bit - try joining #xen maybe?
[01:47] <thefish> seeya
[01:49] <J_P> hi all
[01:49] <J_P> people, is possible install apache2_mod_python and apache2_mod_php one same server ?
[01:52] <[miles] > guys, I'm getting this error:
[01:53] <[miles] > [21577]  dbg: ldap: loading Net::LDAP and URI
[01:53] <[miles] > [21577]  error: Can't locate Encode/ConfigLocal.pm in @INC (@INC contains: lib ../lib /usr/share/perl5 /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/pe
[01:53] <[miles] > rl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl) at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/Encode.pm line 52.
[01:53] <[miles] > any ideas what package im missing?
[02:59] <skar> uuencode?!?
[03:03] <[miles] > back
[03:04] <[miles] > skar, dunno
[03:08] <skar> hmm try installing Encode
[03:08] <skar> thats what it says
[03:09] <[miles] > http://use.perl.org/~TeeJay/journal/22506
[03:09] <[miles] > did that
[03:09] <[miles] > now, no errors
[03:09] <[miles] > ;)
[03:53] <drarem> is it really necessary for all these forums to make you type in some code you can barely read to authenticate you are a human and then fill out a registration email to say you are who you say you are just to be able to post a dumb reply to a dumb message?
[03:57] <[miles] > yes
[03:57] <[miles] > totally
[03:57] <[miles] > justified
[03:57] <[miles] > ;)
[04:01] <drarem> some of those things are hard to read - I want to slap the webmaster and make him read a text in that
[04:01] <drarem> textbook
[04:02] <drarem>  /rant
[04:31] <levander`> I've got some empty test database in my MySQL 5.0 server.  Is this something the install scripts put there for a purpose, or did I just put it in there?
[04:31] <levander`> Do you guys have a test database in your server?
[04:44] <drarem> i think it puts a sample database in there
[04:45] <drarem> what's the database name
[04:51] <mralphabet> drarem: the users suffer a slight inconvenience or the users suffer a forum full of spam posts . . . your pick
[05:14] <J_P> hey all, anyone here has installed with sucess (subversion + trac + ssl) and  (DotProject)  on ubuntu ?
[05:30] <J_P> anyone use SVN or DotProject on Ubuntu ?
[09:33] <CarlFK> [  137.878574]  cs4232-pnpbios: probe of 01:01.00 failed with error -2
[09:33] <CarlFK> [  137.878674]  CS4232 soundcard not found or device busy
[09:33] <CarlFK> why is -server doing anything with sound cards?
[09:37] <tmh__> why wouldn't it be? why would the modules be removed from -server? is there some problem with it using your sound card?
[09:44] <CarlFK> space, and what ever other advantages server has over desktop


[01:17] <Kmos_> OOPS-542A3439
[01:18] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/542A3439
[01:22] <taint> hey I need to speak with someone about my launchpad account. can't remember the email I used to sign up with
[07:35] <poolie> i really wish i could set tags at the same time i triage a bug
[07:35] <poolie> mpt^^
[07:37] <lifeless> poolie: can I ring for a minute?
[07:37] <poolie> ok
[07:38] <poolie> if i can find my phone
[09:13] <carlos_> morning
[09:15] <Hobbsee> morning carlos
[09:16] <mpt> poolie, so do I -- actually that's the reason I haven't bothered to use tags yet, because it's too much work
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #122497 in malone "Bug contact receives notification of changes to re-directed bugs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122497
[10:08] <poolie> hello Hobbsee
[10:08] <Hobbsee> hiya
[10:09] <thumper> hi poolie
[10:09] <poolie> hi tim, you're up late
[10:10] <poolie> or are you in london?
[10:10] <thumper> in London
[10:26] <mpt> Hobbsee, fix it in what way?
[10:26] <Hobbsee> mpt: it's quite annoying...sec
[10:27] <Hobbsee> <dealing with #ubuntu>
[10:29] <Hobbsee> mpt: it's quite annoying in that if B is a dupe of A, yet you want to set A as a dupe of C, then you have to set B first as a dupe of C, then A as a dupe of C.
[10:30] <kiko> Hobbsee, we've got a fix for that planned as part of duplicate bug handling.
[10:30] <mpt> oh, yeah
[10:30] <Hobbsee> mpt: it's unintuative enough, and we keep getting asked how to in -bugs.  but it's even worse when B, C, and D are already marked as dupes
[10:30] <mpt> I reported that as a bug last year, iirc
[10:31] <Hobbsee> a button saying "report this bug (and any duplicates) as a bug of:" might be more appropriate
[10:31] <mpt> hmm
[10:32] <mpt> Hobbsee, I've often encountered cases where fixing A would arguably fix B, and fixing C would arguably fix A, but fixing C would not fix B
[10:32] <Hobbsee> mpt: right.
[10:32] <mpt> because reported bugs aren't always precise things
[10:33] <Hobbsee> yeah
[10:33] <mpt> so I think it's useful to require duplicates to be reviewed when changing their duplicate marking
[10:33] <Hobbsee> right
[10:33] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[10:33] <mpt> But I don't think people should have to do that before changing any non-B link in the chain, as they do now
[10:35] <mpt> I think it would be enough to have an informative link to C in B, so people can see at a glance whether it makes sense.
[10:36] <mpt> carlos / danilos, is <https://translations.launchpad.net/+languages> linked to from anywhere?
[10:36] <danilos> mpt: it's not from start page?
[10:37] <carlos> mpt: not yet
[10:37] <mpt> It would make sense to link to it from the word "languages" in the footer of the translations.launchpad.net FP
[10:37] <mpt> Should I report a bug for that?
[10:37] <carlos> well, you can reach the language based on your selection showed in root page
[10:37] <danilos> mpt: indeed, start page only links to +languages/<code> for your preferred languages
[10:37] <carlos> mpt: yeah, I did it
[10:37] <mpt> ok, thanks carlos
[10:37] <carlos> but had to revert it because the branch was unrelated
[10:38] <carlos> I have it in mind as part of the final cleanup for that page to use the correct 1.0 UI templates
[10:38] <carlos> that's why I reverted it there
[10:38] <mpt> Yeah, it looks a bit strange currently
[11:38] <mpt> :-(
[11:54] <carlos> mpt: what's wrong with ti?
[11:54] <carlos> s/ti/it/
[12:00] <mpt> carlos, just reported bug 122530 about it
[12:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122530 in launchpad ""Team participation" page looks unfinished" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122530
[12:02] <mpt> It looks like someone has taken the person page, and stripped out all the non-team-participation parts
[12:05] <carlos> I see
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #122530 in launchpad ""Team participation" page looks unfinished" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122530
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #122532 in launchpad "Form for deactivating a team membership is confusing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122532
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #122536 in malone "Source package's bug contacts listed on Overview but not Bugs page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122536
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #122537 in rosetta "is_same_translator comparison is broken" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122537
[12:26] <kiko> danilos, :-(
[12:27] <danilos> kiko: I know, I know :(
[12:52] <doko_> why differ stati for upstream bug reports from stati for bugs in distributions?
[01:22] <cprov> good morning, guys
[01:23] <frsk> Morning. =)
[01:59] <kompressor> carlos, ping
[01:59] <carlos> kompressor: pong
[02:00] <kompressor> carlos, hi...when i download .po files for offline use...they all come as st.po
[02:01] <kompressor> carlos, if i should save them in one directory, i would probably not know which is for which package
[02:01] <kompressor> carlos, do you think i should make a feature request for this..?
[02:01] <carlos> yeah, I think we have a bug for it already... let me look for it
[02:01] <kompressor> ok
[02:02] <carlos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/46552
[02:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46552 in debian-installer "Include language and package name in downloaded PO file filename" [Medium,Invalid]
[02:02] <kompressor> carlos, thanks
[02:06] <boredand1logging> can someone change my @ubuntu.com address?
[02:17] <carlos> boredand1logging: do you mean the address where all email is redirected or the @ubuntu email itself?
[02:19] <boredand1logging> carlos: the part before @ubuntu.com. I changed my launchpad id from boredandblogging to nali, but<EMAIL_ADDRESS>doesn't work<EMAIL_ADDRESS>does.
[02:20] <carlos> boredand1logging: please, write to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to see what could be done
[02:21] <boredand1logging> carlos: ok, thanks
[03:14] <agoliveira> mwhudson: Hi there. About that import we spoke yesterday, it looks like it never arrived. Do you know why?
[03:14] <mwhudson> yes, because it requires a code change, and i have been having problems with pqm
[03:15] <agoliveira> mwhudson: Oh, ok. Any idea when it will be possible?
[03:15] <mwhudson> agoliveira: "soon" :)
[03:15] <mwhudson> by the end of the day, i'd really hope
[03:16] <agoliveira> mwhudson: Right, thanks. If you could ping me when it's done I'd apreciate.
[03:16] <mwhudson> no problem
[03:16] <mwhudson> it really shouldn't have taken this long...
[07:37] <bdmurray> If in the ideal situation the bug summary should be a good description of the bug why is that when you go to edit the summary & description you cannot see all the comments which may contain useful information that you need?
[08:24] <kiko> hey LaserJock?
[08:26] <LaserJock> yeah?
[08:28] <LaserJock> kiko: what's up?
[08:28] <kiko> heh thanks
[08:28] <kiko> LaserJock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/81351
[08:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 81351 in soyuz "motu-sru team should be able to approve uploads to -proposed" [High,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[08:28] <kiko> LaserJock, still relevant?
[08:28] <LaserJock> oh, right
[08:28] <LaserJock> that specific bug no
[08:28] <LaserJock> we dissolved the motu-sru team I think
[08:29] <cprov> LaserJock: what about queue permissions for MOTU in a general sense ?  do you still want it or not ?
[08:30] <LaserJock> I think in the future we will at some point
[08:30] <kiko> and does it still make sense.
[08:30] <kiko> LaserJock, okay, please wontfix that bug please
[08:30] <LaserJock> it's always going to be an issue at some point
[08:30] <LaserJock> but that specific case is not needed anymore
[08:30] <cprov> LaserJock: ok, thanks
[08:30] <LaserJock> and we don't have an immediate need to do any archive admin'ing that I know of
[08:31] <LaserJock> cprov, kiko: done
[08:32] <kiko> thanks
[08:32] <LaserJock> I don't want to completely throw away the idea completely
[08:33] <kiko> LaserJock, sure.
[08:33] <LaserJock> but it's something that would need to be spec'd I think
[08:33] <kiko> LaserJock, btw, did you see the cherry-picks?
[08:33] <LaserJock> yes, I did
[08:33] <LaserJock> thank you all very much :-)
[08:33] <kiko> cool
[08:33] <kiko> sorry it took a week!
[08:33] <LaserJock> well, I understand ;-)
[08:34] <kiko> well, I know /you/ do :)
[08:34] <LaserJock> close via changelogs was another nice thing to get fixed
[08:36] <kiko> yeah, that regression sucked
[09:15] <alefteris> hi all! is it possible for an administrator to delete a team at launchpad?
[09:17] <Kmos> alefteris: i don't think so.. you must use answers for that
[09:17] <Kmos> and ask to delete a team
[09:18] <alefteris> thanks Kmos
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #122677 in malone "Add milestone to the X-Launchpad-Bug header" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122677
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #122681 in launchpad "Replys are hidden with quoted text when they are in the same paragraph" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122681
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #122696 in launchpad-bazaar ""Delete Import" button does not clear lastpublishedsync" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122696


[18:18] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:37] <snail> mōrena
[18:42] <Atamira> morning
[19:31] <snail> guess who's having their workplace rebuilt by mainzeal right now?
[19:32] <ajmitch> hah
[19:32] <ajmitch> so construction will be on hold for a bit?
[19:32] <snail> fortunately the new building is apparently watertight
[19:32] <snail> not 100% sure
[19:33] <snail> I can hear power tools from where i sit
[19:33] <snail> but there are also knots of idle workmen lurking
[19:33] <ajmitch> I think in receivership they can try & still work their way to solvency
[19:33] <ibeardslee> with all the working needing to be done in chch how can someone like mainzeal go boom?
[19:34] <ibeardslee> too much $$ been spent on pies for Gerry?
[19:34] <ajmitch> poor management?
[19:35] <ajmitch> it's probably quite easy to go boom if you spread yourself thin & have to wait for insurance companies to pay you
[19:36] <ibeardslee> true, but that is something the govt needs to crack the whip over
[19:38] <ibeardslee> speaking of insurance .. mutter mutter burst pipe in ceiling mutter mutter water in bottom of oven mutter
[19:41] <snail> my understanding is that foreign owner promised money, business planned for it, money didn't arrive, business folded
[19:41] <snail> but i could be wrong
[20:15] <chilts> morning
[20:18] <chilts> yeah, whatever happened, sounds like something hit the fan since the quotes in yesterday's news were a bit vague
[20:18] <chilts> "series of events that had adversely affected the company's financial position"
[20:18] <chilts> sounds like mis-management
[20:30] <snail> personally I'm disappointed that we've not seen more links to http://www.business.govt.nz/companies/ doucments in the press reporting
[20:30] <snail> it's not like any of it is secret or anything
[23:31] <thumper> morning
[23:31] <thumper> hi fmarier


[02:35] <nggafriedchkn> so what shoul di change my nick to?
[02:37] <IdleOne> This isn't a nickname service. You select something I won't find offensive.
[02:37] <nggafriedchkn> IdleOne: k1l Jordan_U
[02:37] <nggafriedchkn> you find everything offensive though
[02:37] <IdleOne> Then you should chose carefully
[02:37] <rww> I recommend Guest20472
[02:39] <Guest20472> thank you rww
[02:39] <Guest20472> :)
[02:41] <Unit193> coffeeisgood
[03:05] <Guest2407> IdleOne: so is this a good nick?
[03:13] <Guest2407> !ops
[03:20] <Guest2407> !ops
[04:07] <Guest2407> !ops
[11:08] <FreedomSlap> hey faggots!  Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?      Fedora is and always will be the best linux distribution!  Ubuntu is for niggers!  Why do you think they gave it an African name?


[05:23] <pitti> Good morning
[06:03] <jibel> Good morning
[09:14] <pitti> jibel: FYI, fixing the ubuntu-drivers-common autopkgtest now
[10:05] <jibel> pitti, I looked at python-csb, besides the test creates data in dist-package which is wrong, the main issue with the autopkgtest part is a python path order. But then the package requires scilab which is not installable. So I'll have a another look when this get fixed.
[10:05] <pitti> jibel: thanks
[10:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:09] <elfy> morning davmor2
[15:08] <elopio> good morning everybody.
[15:24] <balloons> morning elopio
[15:25] <elfy> hi balloons
[15:29] <balloons> hello elfy
[15:30] <elfy> good weekend I trust
[15:34] <balloons> elfy, yes, it's nice to get outside :-)
[15:36] <elfy> it is - though it was windy and wet here - so it was nice to stay indoors :p
[15:38] <balloons> heh.. we had a couple really nice days. Yesterday was the first "cooler" day here of the season.. we're in fall now
[15:38] <davmor2> morning elopio
[15:42] <elfy> balloons: yep it's definitely autumnal
[15:43] <alesage> pitti hi, a question about dbusmock--when setting a property on a battery, e.g., wouldn't we expect to be able to see those properties in d-feet?
[15:43] <pitti> alesage: FYI, "properties set on mocked batteries don't show up in d-feet"
[15:44] <pitti> alesage: known, as dbusmock doesn't generate introspection for properties ATM
[15:44] <pitti> alesage: (it's not actually that easy to do so)
[15:44] <alesage> pitti ok interesting, this 'introspection' is new to me
[15:45] <pitti> alesage: as for replacing the actual upower instance: sudo killall upowerd; sudo PYTHONPATH=. python3 -m dbusmock -t upower
[15:45] <pitti> (from trunk checkout)
[15:45] <pitti> alesage: you can leave out the PYTHONPATH for running from the installed package, of course
[15:45] <alesage> pitti right, I'm able to show that I think by killing and running those tests
[15:45] <pitti> alesage: more detailled answer will have to wait for tomorrow, I'm afraid
[15:45] <pitti> (i. e. reviewing your branch, etc.)
[15:46] <alesage> pitti, ok thanks--that gives me an opportunity to add more to review :)
[15:46] <pitti> alesage: but it's a bit unfriendly, and needs root privs, so better run the tests on a private bus
[15:46] <alesage> pitti, my theory is that I need to run as authentic to trick unity, what do you think?
[15:49] <pitti> alesage: if you can (re)start unity for the tests, running a private system bus should be fine
[15:49] <pitti> alesage: if you need to deal with an existing running instance, then not, indeed
[15:49] <alesage> pitti ok interesting, will follow up tomorrow thx :)
[15:52] <samgabbay> Greetings and salutations to all canonicallians and ubuntunians
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, Hello :D
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, just wanted to let you know that my adventure with ubiquity ended here: bug number 1247359  take a look at the screenshot I attached to the bug report
[20:19] <Letozaf_> bug 1247359
[20:19] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[20:20] <balloons> doug5, howdy howdy
[20:20] <balloons> Noskcaj, hello to you too :-)
[20:20] <Noskcaj> hey balloons
[20:21] <doug5> balloons, hello!
[20:21] <elopio> balloons: can you review here, please? https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-clock-app/qmlscene_launch/+merge/193842
[20:24] <balloons> elopio, oO.. is this the first?
[20:24] <elopio> balloons: first of what?
[20:25] <balloons> elopio,  I thought you had some others as well
[20:27] <doug5> balloons, how is it going?
[20:28] <balloons> doug5, excellent, yourself?
[20:29] <doug5> balloons, not too bad :)
[20:31] <doug5> balloons, going to make a coffe and then check the mp
[20:32] <balloons> doug5, perfect. I'm trying to find it in the list, haha
[20:32] <balloons> did you make the tweaks?
[20:33] <balloons> nvm, found it
[20:37] <TheLordOfTime> balloons: ping.
[20:37] <balloons> TheLordOfTime, pong
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> balloons: RE: QA/BugSquad merger blueprint, I added a section for "Other Concerns" based on the last message to the mailing lists by AG Restringere.
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> can you comment on that?  (RE: Bug Control and this merger, which was targeted for Bug Squad)
[20:39] <TheLordOfTime> because when you and I last spoke on it, the general idea I got was that Bug Control would be left alone in the merger, because of the separate application procedures and enhanced bug permission sets.
[20:40] <TheLordOfTime> also, forgive some... lagginess... in the messages I'm sending to IRC, my client's still sifting through its initial connection-sending buffer to the channels :/
[20:40] <elfy> that's what I'd assumed - conversation certainly appeared to be of the 'not touching those perms with a barge pole'
[20:40] <elfy> TheLordOfTime: ^^
[20:41] <TheLordOfTime> elfy: that was my assumption as well
[20:42] <TheLordOfTime> just want to confirm that.
[20:44] <elfy> yep
[20:45] <elopio> balloons: no, I haven't noticed that was a problem in the apps. Maybe I'll need more branches like this one.
[20:46] <TheLordOfTime> elfy: I did make a note of the distinction on the MLs to AG, so the only issue here is whether my assumptions were correct
[20:46] <TheLordOfTime> and I modified the blueprint for it adding an "Other Concerns" section where responses could be posted by the masters of the blueprint
[20:47] <elfy> I tend to glaze over with blueprints unless they are xubuntu ones :)
[20:48] <TheLordOfTime> heh
[20:49] <balloons> elfy, TheLordOfTime I saw the message today ,but have not digested it
[20:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, I ran ubuntu-rssreader-app autopilot tests on my PC and on the device, I have different failures in different parts of the tests
[20:50] <TheLordOfTime> balloons:  hehe, no problem, I was just confirming the information I gathered from the discussion you and I had shortly after the first message in the lists was sent :)
[20:50] <TheLordOfTime> that bugcontrol wouldn't be touched during the merger
[20:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, I must admit I am a bit confused :P
[20:51] <balloons> TheLordOfTime, yes, that's my thoughts, but its open to discussion @ vUDS certainly
[20:52] <balloons> Letozaf_, :-( different failures?
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes, on my PC sometimes the toolbar behaves in a strange way making the test fail
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, instead on the device this does not happen
[20:53] <balloons> Letozaf_, well, we should fix things like that
[20:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, is it better for me to wait for you guys to migrate to 1.4 or what?
[20:54] <TheLordOfTime> balloons: indeed, I've added to the blueprint about "Concerns" (separate than thoughts) but based on the general discussion, I was pretty certain that we were identifying Bug Squad and Bug Control as separate distinct entities in this.
[20:55] <TheLordOfTime> I think hggdh has a similar observation, but I would highly contest merging bugcontrol with qa, if only because the QA team doesn't necessarily have elevated bug permissions similar to Bug Control has (this same distinction applies to Bug Control vs. Bug Squad)
[20:55] <TheLordOfTime> (so far that discussion hasn't happened, but it's also not my call :P)
[20:56] <balloons> TheLordOfTime, excellent. Thanks for putting all that into the blueprint
[20:56] <balloons> good stuff
[20:56] <balloons> Letozaf_, the best scenario is the tests work well before the migration
[20:56] <balloons> so after you migrate you have a baseline to ensure it still works :-)
[20:56] <hggdh> balloons: hi
[20:57] <balloons> hggdh, hello
[20:57] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes but the toolbar strange behavior, how do I cope with that ?
[20:57] <hggdh> balloons: I have been unable to answer your proposal due to the lack of a working system. I can only access IRC via a convoluted setup, while I wait for the replacement laptop to arrive
[20:58] <hggdh> (a System76! YEAH!)
[20:58] <balloons> hggdh, funzies!
[20:58] <hggdh> balloons: but so that at least I have something said: I all all for the merge of bugsquad (hell, *I* suggested it to you ;-)
[20:59] <hggdh> for bugcontrol, I am not sure -- I think it should be left aside, at least for the moment, since it affects many more people than bugsquad
[21:00] <TheLordOfTime> +1 for hggdh's opinions
[21:00] <hggdh> er. "many more people" should be understood as "many more people with higher access, not necessarily dealing with QA"
[21:01] <TheLordOfTime> exactly my concern too.
[21:01] <hggdh> yeah, just reading the backlog now
[21:02] <elfy> TheLordOfTime: so where is this blueprint?
[21:02]  * elfy ought to look ...
[21:03]  * hggdh goes AFK -- meeting
[21:05] <balloons> elfy, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1311-quality-bugsquad
[21:08] <elfy> balloons: thanks
[21:15] <TheLordOfTime> sorry for not giving it to ya, elfy, I was distracted by other things
[21:15] <TheLordOfTime> namely responding to AG on the bugsquad list
[21:16] <TheLordOfTime> speaking of which, hggdh, when you get a chance, I'd like your input on his suggestions on the bugsquad ML.
[21:16] <TheLordOfTime> no rush though, I made my concerns noted.
[21:21]  * Letozaf_ is rebooting PC
[21:39] <balloons> doug5, did you see victor's response?
[21:39] <doug5> balloons, yep, working on it
[21:39] <knome> balloons, allö
[21:39] <balloons> knome, allo
[21:40] <knome> balloons, starting to have the plans for QA ready soon?
[21:40] <balloons> knome, what do you mean?
[21:40] <knome> objectives for 14.04
[21:41] <knome> and how's the team merging goin on?
[21:41] <knome> *going too
[21:42] <balloons> knome, ohh.. indeed, there's a blueprint for vUDS
[21:42] <balloons> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1311-quality-bugsquad
[21:43] <balloons> I sent back a mail reply.. perhaps I should make a thread just for this
[21:43] <balloons> elfy didn't see it either and he sees everything
[21:45] <balloons> i'll just add it to the general psa on blueprints
[21:46] <knome> mhm
[21:47] <knome> i'm not following -quality or -bugs or anything like that
[21:47] <knome> :P
[21:59] <doug5> balloons, ok, patch is done, I will finalize it tomorrow
[21:59] <balloons> doug5, sounds like working ?
[22:00] <doug5> balloons, yeah, a little bit tricky though. Actually, I can push it right now so you can have a look
[22:00] <balloons> ohh cool


[08:42] <DarkTrick> "Alt+Scroll wheel" for  screen zoom triggers a scrolling within mousepad. Is this a system problem or a mousepad bug?
[08:46] <well_laid_lawn> DarkTrick:  if the cursor is in the mousepad window it will have focus so it'll scroll
[08:54] <DarkTrick> well_laid_lawn, you say "it will scroll". Do you mean "it is expected to scroll" ?
[08:56] <well_laid_lawn> if mouusepad has focus with the cursor in it then yes
[08:57] <well_laid_lawn> try making sure the mouse cursor is sitting on the wallpaper not in a window
[08:59] <DarkTrick> hm
[09:00] <DarkTrick> well_laid_lawn, that would in return mean, that firefox, xfce4-terminal, hexchat and a couple of other apps have a buggy behavior
[09:01] <DarkTrick> well_laid_lawn, that being said, I'd say it's much more "natural" if no scrolling would accur...
[09:01] <DarkTrick> well_laid_lawn, other system shortcuts also prevent applications to fire their event. Why should alt+mousewheel be any different?
[10:36] <__raven__> update to 19.10 disabled multi monitor mode using two monitors on nvidia and additional two on internal intel915 onboard.c how to expand nvidia view to the internal graphics card again?
[15:40] <unlimiter> How can I make numlock activate on lightdm start?
[15:45] <diogenes_> unlimiter, http://dpaste.com/1R2MAE7
[15:46] <diogenes_> check that out ^^^^
[15:49] <Noboru55> diogenes_ hello, the xubuntu install by default xubuntu-core, do u know the difference between the core and xubuntu-desktop?
[15:50] <Noboru55> i was thinking about xubuntu-restricted-extras too. i can play mp3 and i install fonts with other package.. so.. is it really necessary?
[15:51] <diogenes_> Noboru55, don't go around installing things you don't need at the moment.
[15:51] <Noboru55> i wont ^^
[16:00] <unlimiter> diogenes_, it worked just fine. Thanks
[18:03] <pikapika> Does the default login screen start after xorg is "ready" or before?
[18:49] <raven-14> Hi. I'm having a pretty annoying issue with Eoan Ermine.  Is this the right place for seeking help?
[18:54] <gnrp> raven-14: When it is Xubuntu, yes. Just ask your question and if somebody knows the answer, he will tell
[18:54] <gnrp> but stay w while a roun
[18:54] <gnrp> d
[18:55] <raven-14> Sweet thanks!
[18:59] <raven-14> Installed a xubuntu 19.10 in dual-boot (other is Win10), and simply, after booting once into it, it won't go lemme log in again. As in, after entering my logins, it displays a black screen with a tiny blue square on the top-left. Trying to access console mode from log screen freezes everything. dpkg doesn't see anything wrong
[19:00] <diogenes_> raven-14, installed nvidia?
[19:00] <raven-14> uh, absolutely not.
[19:00] <raven-14> Dangit
[19:01] <diogenes_> raven-14, so after the installation it worked ok?
[19:02] <raven-14> Had to change "quiet splash" to "nomodeset" for the install, but, completely forgot about it afterwards. You're right, it's prolly driver issues
[19:03] <diogenes_> yeah
[19:07] <raven-14> Thanks for the help. Gonna try grabbing the right drivers
[19:08] <diogenes_> no problems, come with a feedback on how it went.
[19:12] <FredK> Just booted xubuntu from a usb stick.  The xfce terminal is not working and I am lost without it.  When started it says Fariled to execute child process (No such file or directory)
[19:12] <pikapika> At what point are services started when booting and how do you best disable automatic startup for some selected services?
[19:14] <FredK> If that comment was intended for me, things are started as specified from how the USB stick set things up.  I'm starting the terminal from the application window.
[19:15] <pikapika> No, it's my own question directed to everyone present here. No relation with your issue FredK
[19:16] <diogenes_> pikapika, run: tree
[19:17] <diogenes_> and: systemd-analyze blame
[19:18] <diogenes_> to disable a servuce: sudo systemctl disable servucename && sudo systemctl stop sameservicename
[19:18] <pikapika> Thats what I did but
[19:18] <pikapika> Does 'disable' mean it would also not be started automatically next boot?
[19:19] <diogenes_> FredK, how did you write the usb?
[19:19] <FredK> I used unetbootin
[19:19] <raven-14> @diogenes_ Installed nvidia drivers v.435. Booted and logged. Thanks again
[19:20] <diogenes_> pikapika, yes but some stubborn services also need: sudo systemctl mask servicename
[19:20] <pikapika> Ok, thanks
[19:20] <diogenes_> raven-14, you're welcome.
[19:21] <diogenes_> FredK, try writing with etcher.
[19:21] <diogenes_> and check the checksum.
[19:21] <pikapika> ...etcher?
[19:22] <diogenes_> yes
[19:22] <pikapika> Just out of curiosity, could the checksum test done with a ...uh...simpler tool?
[19:22] <diogenes_> !checksum
[19:23] <pikapika> Oh okay
[19:23] <pikapika> Just a matter of checksumming the iso file right?
[19:23] <pikapika> I thought you were speaking of some test performed post copying the image to usb
[19:25] <diogenes_> first checksum and if all is well then write the iso to usb again but this time use etcher software.
[19:25] <pikapika> What tests does etcher provide if any after writing to USB?
[19:26] <diogenes_> pikapika, no tests it's just known to do the things better.
[19:29] <pikapika> diogenes_, personally I'd be extremely careful recommending electron anything (or anything that has come from the web background) unless there's no better option.
[19:29] <pikapika> Your views might be different but for example it was just a few years ago that the download sizes of say etcher would have been prohibitive to me
[19:31] <diogenes_> pikapika, a recommendation is an advice and it's up to you to either take it or not.
[19:33] <pikapika> diogenes_, if recommendation was so harmless, to take an extreme example, people won't have any issues with neonazi propaganda. I am just saying one must understand the consequences and "free advertizing" that are caused due to recommendation. Not forcing anything, just asking you to reflect on some things.
[19:58] <FredK> I'm back.  Computer crashed.  I have not way to make the download of etcher executable on this machine, and on another machine get "./etcher-v1.5.71:  line 7 syntax error near unexpected token 'newline'.  Perhaps there is something else could try?
[20:00] <diogenes_> FredK, then try gnome-disk-utility to write the iso.
[20:04] <FredK> Sorry some how left this page.  Still looking for bootable drive ideas, or a way to fix by xfce terminal.
 FredK, then try gnome-disk-utility to write the iso.
[20:05] <diogenes_> only if checksum is ok.
[21:05] <csanyipal> Hi,
[21:06] <csanyipal> I am using Xubutu current LTS.
[21:08] <csanyipal> It seems I removed accidentally a package which is responsible to proper display of Xfce4 Desktop Environment. Windows behaves strange.
[21:08] <csanyipal> How can I fix this issue?
[21:14] <krytarik> csanyipal: Just do "sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop"
[21:14] <csanyipal> krytarik: I am doing it now. Thanks!
[21:16] <csanyipal> Finished. I am going to re-login. Bye!
[21:34] <csanyipal> Hi again,
[21:38] <csanyipal> Still have strange behavior of some window, like the Software applications window, because eg if I scroll down the mouse wheel when over it"s window then the bottom of the window is "rise", or if I scroll with the wheel up then the top of the window descends.
[22:25] <csanyipal> Still asking for help here. As I said, I accidentally removed some packages for calibrating the display device. So now I can't see on some windows buttons, but only texts for those buttons. I reinstall xubuntu-desktop already. What else can I do to get back again a stable Xfce4 Desktop Environment?
[22:49] <csanyipal> I just did this: 'sudo apt install xfce4'. Maybe this helps me out.
[22:49] <csanyipal> Bye!


[18:10] <dkessel> i am having trouble filing a bug. the error page says the load balancer cannot connect to an application server. could this be caused by the planned outage for ppa.launchpad.net ?
[18:12] <dkessel> nevermind, trying a fourth time worked....
[21:39] <antivirtel> hello all! I'm trying to create my first PPA, but I have a bit special situation, so this won't help so much: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/GettingStarted#Packaging -- I have a Raspberry Pi Model B 128 MB RAM, and it has ARMv6l arch (usually it is armhf), but the LP compiler should have build the packages for ARMv7, so it is not compatible... Can I upload my own binaries, or even packages? Thanks!
[21:58] <cjwatson> antivirtel: No, I'm afraid that's not permitted.  You'll need to use some other system for publishing packages; you could set up something like reprepro locally.
[21:59] <antivirtel> cjwatson but I want to make public on internet
[21:59] <cjwatson> antivirtel: Yes, Launchpad isn't the only solution for that, something like reprepro plus a web server can work too.
[22:00] <antivirtel> ahh this: https://mirrorer.alioth.debian.org/
[22:00] <cjwatson> I mean, in general we like people to use Launchpad but it's not going to be a good fit here.
[22:00] <antivirtel> ok, I'll check on it, if LP won't build a proper one
[22:02] <antivirtel> btw, it is just arm-linux-gnueabihf-g++-4.9 http://paste2.org/I1Hve3wz what I need... isn't it available cjwatson ?
[22:04] <wgrant> Ubuntu's arm-linux-gnueabihf is ARMv7.
[22:04] <wgrant> Even if you could build for ARMv6, Ubuntu's armhf library stack is all ARMv7.
[22:05] <antivirtel> wgrant but I have just ARMv6, and the armhf downloaded debs didn't work
[22:05] <wgrant> Right, Ubuntu does not run on ARMv6.
[22:05] <antivirtel> hmm... that's bad news, but thank you for the info...
[22:05] <wgrant> You'll ned ARMv7-capable hardware (eg. Raspberry Pi 2), or a distro other than Ubuntu.
[22:05] <wgrant> Theoriginal Raspberry Pi was seriously obsolete even at the time it was introduced.
[22:06] <wgrant> Ubuntu dropped support for ARMv6 years earlier.
[22:06] <antivirtel> I just need to distribute the binary, not to buy a new hardware that soon :)
[22:06] <antivirtel> sure it is, but it is just for hobby :) btw... isn't RPi 2 obsolete too?
[22:10] <antivirtel> wgrant ^
[22:12] <wgrant> RPi 2 has a relatively modern CPU that all modern distros can support..
[22:14] <antivirtel> and what about its memory, and others wgrant ? I'd really like to have USB 3.0 on that, but what about its internal speed?
[22:14] <antivirtel> I've an USB 3.0 ext. HDD since 2012, and I can barely use its real speed...
[22:15] <wgrant> The RPi 2's Ethernet and USB aren't ideal, but they're not a fundamental problem for ongoing software support.
[22:15] <wgrant> For actual use cases, sure.
[22:17] <wgrant> But the big problem with the original RPi was that its CPU supports only a very old instruction set, and if Ubuntu built for that there would be serious performance penalties on all modern devices. RPi 2 fixes that.
[22:18] <antivirtel> hmm.. great, but I'm planning to buy an other one only if it has USB 3.0.. what do you think of the internal speed of these devices, can it achive at least 1 Gb/s?
[22:20] <antivirtel> as I remember the peak is 5 Gb/s, but it is just a dream :D
[22:23] <wgrant> RPi 2 can't do 1Gbps on any of its external buses AFAIK.
[22:24] <antivirtel> that's what I was thought... but I meant, if it would have been packed with USB 3.0 wgrant
[23:15] <antivirtel> good night, you may HL me while I'm away!
[23:33] <FailBit> question: https://code.launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/inkscape/trunk/ always shows a banner stating "An upgrade of this branch is in progress." and it never goes away - is this normal?