[14:16] <dandrader> cnd, are we keeping the daily stand ups?
[14:16]  * bregma swirls some dregs in the bottom of his cup
[14:16] <bregma> I think during the next two weeks it might be a good ides, until we hear otherwise
[14:16] <bregma> s/ides/idea/
[14:17] <dandrader> I really like the stand ups. So +1 from me
[14:17] <cnd> morning all
[14:18] <dandrader> ok. here it goes: that's my first working day after UDS. So I'm catching up on things. After that I plan to start working on exposing the "construction finished" grail concept in utouch-geis
[14:18] <dandrader> morning
[14:18] <cnd> I'm going to be preparing a new package for synaptics with a fix for memory corruption
[14:18] <tvoss> sorry for being late
[14:18] <bregma> I seem to have finally come down with a bug, I'm a walking zombie today
[14:18] <cnd> tvoss, np
[14:18] <bregma> cnd, did you write up that list from the whiteboard?
[14:19] <cnd> bregma, not yet, I'll get to that this morning
[14:19] <bregma> thanks
[14:19] <tvoss> finished recovering my laptop and myself
[14:19] <cnd> yay
[14:19] <dandrader> :)


[02:50] <guiverc> I'm getting loads of "PDOException: SQLSTATE[08006] [7] FATAL: connection limit exceeded for non-superusers in lock_may_be_available() (line 167 of /srv/drupal-qa-tracker/www/includes/lock.inc)." on iso.qa.ubuntu.com


[00:57] <waterycola> hi
[00:57] <waterycola> im young and want 2 learn bout ubunt
[00:58] <waterycola> is anyone speaking in this chat
[00:58] <waterycola> or is this one of those "bufferchats"
[00:59] <Noskcaj> waterycola, hello
[00:59] <jose> waterycola: how may we help?
[00:59] <waterycola> hello
[00:59] <waterycola> i want to know how i instal ubuntu
[00:59] <waterycola> i clicked on the file but
[01:00] <waterycola> its like
[01:00] <waterycola> i dont know
[01:00] <waterycola> maybe my computer is 2 old
[01:00] <Noskcaj> waterycola, #ubuntu is normally a better place to ask for support. a
[01:00] <jose> waterycola: instructions can be found here http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-desktop-latest
[01:00] <jose> Noskcaj: if you can help here, just do it
[01:00] <waterycola> omg
[01:00] <waterycola> is it really this complicated
[01:00] <waterycola> this guide uses way
[01:00] <waterycola> too
[01:00] <waterycola> many
[01:00] <waterycola> bigwords
[01:01] <Bill1998> like what words
[01:01] <jose> !enter | waterycola
[01:01] <Noskcaj> waterycola, it's something like 5 steps
[01:01] <Noskcaj> !enter
[01:01] <Bill1998> I have been told I know some big words
[01:01] <jose> Bill1998: pardon?
[01:02] <waterycola> okay
[01:02] <waterycola> uh
[01:02] <waterycola> sorry
[01:03] <waterycola> like id dint no it was a sin to not  know what "third party software" is
[01:03] <waterycola> its weird cuz thats like a political buzzerword
[01:03] <Bill1998> is that like, software with three times the party?
[01:03] <waterycola> hahqhaha
[01:03] <waterycola> way out, far dude
[01:03] <Noskcaj> Bill1998, You aren't funny
[01:04] <Bill1998> I need to get my hands on some party software
[01:04] <waterycola> hey man
[01:04] <Bill1998> my life is too dull without it
[01:04] <waterycola> bill's a funny dude imo
[01:04] <Noskcaj> waterycola, please speak in english.
[01:04] <waterycola> ????
[01:04]  * Noskcaj facepalms
[01:04] <waterycola> Ah, my dear sir,I did not know I was conversing with one proficient in mine native tongue!
[01:04] <Bill1998> ouch, that probably hurt your face, noskcaj
[01:05] <jose> Noskcaj: hey, have time for a PM?
[01:05] <Noskcaj> waterycola, overkill, but an improvement
[01:05] <Bill1998> why would you do that to yourself
[01:05] <jose> will be quick :)
[01:05] <Noskcaj> jose, sure
[01:05] <waterycola> It just so happens that I am in fact a learned englishman of the highest caliber,I had simply become indubious!
[01:05] <Bill1998> and I thought I knew some big words
[01:05] <waterycola> naw dog dnt break out the dictionary lol
[01:06] <waterycola> it took 4ever to figure out the sentence
[01:06] <Bill1998> lol
[01:06] <Bill1998> nice
[01:06] <waterycola> yeh but i got it you know
[01:06] <waterycola> ;)
[01:06] <waterycola> so how was ur day
[01:06] <Bill1998> it was ok
[01:07] <Bill1998> I saw a squirell today
[01:07] <Bill1998> it was pretty
[01:07] <jose> hey guys, please try to write in proper English on this channel. we do not ask you to use a lexicomplex, but do try to use proper English
[01:07]  * Noskcaj has never seen a squirrel
[01:07] <waterycola> oh i photographed some trees
[01:08] <waterycola> its cool cuz
[01:08] <waterycola> nowadays
[01:08] <waterycola> they give webcams in the laptops
[01:08] <Bill1998> wait
[01:08] <waterycola> so u can use it as a camera and go take photos
[01:08] <Bill1998> acording to this book i found on my dads desk
[01:08] <Bill1998> that was a proper sentence
[01:09] <waterycola> By photos, I of course am indicating photoelectric spectroscopy utilized towards the end of measuring the fermi level of a material!
[01:09] <Bill1998> of course
[01:09] <waterycola> Ah yes my dead sir, that sentence does in fact include all of the basic concepts needed to form a complete thought!
[01:10] <waterycola> I suppose my colleagues hold the sameopinion?
[01:11] <Bill1998> wait my foster dad is yelling at me to come downstairs
[01:11] <Bill1998> cya later guys
[01:12] <waterycola> oh no i hope he doesnt get caned again
[01:12] <jose> now, going back on-topic, did you need any help?
[01:36] <Noskcaj> Is there anyway to find out if i am the youngest ubuntu member?
[01:39] <jose> Noskcaj: you're surely not.
[01:39] <Noskcaj> 14 and 5 months?
[01:40] <Noskcaj> correction, current youngest member
[01:42] <jose> Noskcaj: actually, it's Benjamin Donald-Wilson :)
[01:42] <jose> I can say I was, originally, the youngest
[01:43] <Noskcaj> was he the one that started when he was 12?
[01:44] <jose> yes
[01:45] <Noskcaj> wow. I just looked at his wiki page and he got his own timezone wrong though.
[01:47] <jose> dst corrections are off
[01:47] <jose> anyways, I can say I was the first 'youngest', plus, what's the need to know? :)
[01:48] <Noskcaj> i was just interested to see if i was.
[01:58] <waterycola> for the record im 9
[01:58] <waterycola> so i deserve a medal rite
[01:59] <jose> waterycola: if you're 9, you should not be here.
[02:04] <waterycola> well how come everyone else gets a medal for being under the legal cannabis combusting age and i dont
[02:05] <jose> waterycola: enough.
[02:05] <waterycola> oh no dont kick me
[02:05] <waterycola> that would be like the blistering judgement of an ancient grecian deity
[02:06] <waterycola> i am quaking in anticipation of your crushing ircblow
[02:06] <waterycola> yesh bitch
[02:07] <jose> it'd be great if everyone could contribute to making this a channel friendly for everyone, but some people don't
[02:07] <Noskcaj> +1 to that
[02:08] <jose> :)
[02:27] <Unit193> jose: IP bans will block auth'd and non, it will also work on webchat and normal.
[02:28] <jose> Unit193: problem with IP bans is I don't want the rest of the IP addresses starting with 24.47 to be banned
[02:29] <Unit193> Of course you wouldn't.
[02:29] <Unit193> 182f9286 maps to <IP_ADDRESS> anyway.
[02:30] <jose> oh, well
[02:30] <jose> anyways, I'll remove the quiet in a day from now
[02:44] <UnderControl> Noskcaj I haven't had a chance to change my tz on the wiki page yet. ;)
[02:45] <Noskcaj> UnderControl, ok. May i suggest you just leave it as +10 UTC, rather than changing for daylight savings


[02:15] <mwhudson> how often does the publisher run for ppas?
[02:17] <lifeless> mwhudson: 60s IIRC
[02:33] <wgrant> mwhudson: Every 5 minutes.
[02:33] <mwhudson> thanks
[02:33] <mwhudson> reality appears to match wgrant a bit more closely
[06:13] <yofel> hey, since a few days ago I'm getting
[06:13] <yofel> W: Failed to fetch https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ninjas/ppa/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/source/Sources  The requested URL returned error: 416
[06:13] <yofel> from apt. Launchpad or apt bug?
[06:41] <lifeless> yofel: thats range not satisfiable; weird
[10:28] <geser> gets the Contents file for the main archive for oneiric not updated anymore? last modified on 04-May-2011
[10:32] <jml> is there a guide somewhere for setting up a pre-merge testing thing with Launchpad? (ideally with Jenkins)
[11:28] <xguo> anyone know this error ?
[11:28] <xguo> bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', 'Operation denied because it would change the main history, which is not permitted by the append_revisions_only setting on branch "lp-73500496:///~xiaohu-guo/fluidity/hybrid-assemble/".')
[11:29] <henninge> xguo: what are you trying to do?
[11:32] <xguo> I am trying to commit my changes to my branch
[11:33] <xguo> I am using bzr ci -m ""  myfile
[11:34] <henninge> xguo: are you trying to commit directly to the branch on launchpad?
[11:34] <geser> bigjools or wgrant: does the Contents file for the main archive for oneiric get not updated anymore? last modified on 04-May-2011
[11:35] <spiv> xguo: it's basically as the error says:
[11:35] <xguo> I have my check out my launchpad branch to my workstation, and I am commit from my workstation
[11:36] <spiv> xguo: lp:~xiaohu-guo/fluidity/hybrid-assemble has the append_revisions_only option set, but the push or commit you are trying to do would cause some existing mainline revisions to change.
[11:36] <xguo> oh, then what I can do with this ?
[11:37] <spiv> xguo: e.g. if you compare the "bzr log" of your local branch and the remote one, they disagree about the revision number for some revisions, and that option says you want to prevent that.
[11:37]  * henninge is happy spiv took over and goes to lunch
[11:37] <spiv> henninge: actually I'm about to go to bed!
[11:37] <henninge-lunch> oh
[11:37] <spiv> xguo: is it a branch or a checkout?
[11:38] <spiv> xguo: if it's a branch, simplest is probably to make a fresh branch of lp:~xiaohu-guo/fluidity/hybrid-assemble, then merge your new changes into that and commit and push that back to lp
[11:38] <spiv> henninge: (although probably #bzr can help out)
[11:39] <henninge> spiv: sure thanks
[11:39] <xguo> oh, thanks, will try that
[11:39] <henninge> xguo: are you familiar with bzr or is that your first time using it?
[11:39] <xguo> first time use it
[11:39] <spiv> Possibly there's a simpler way, and if there isn't there probably should be.
[11:41] <henninge> xguo: maybe you should go through a little documentation first so you understand the differences that a distributed vcs has over a system like subversion.
[11:42] <henninge> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.2.3/en/
[11:43] <xguo> thanks henninge , the only change i have done is to following suggestions on http://amcg.ese.ic.ac.uk/index.php?title=Local:Using_branches_in_fluidity_development
[11:43] <xguo> which is trying to "keep revision numbers of a branch stable"
[11:44] <xguo> I might screw something up
[11:46] <henninge> xguo: I am not familiar with that hack.
[11:46] <spiv> Someone should update that wiki page to suggest 'bzr config append_revisions_only=True -d URL'
[11:46] <spiv> Rather than mucking about with editing branch.conf via SFTP
[11:47] <spiv> xguo: right, and that's why you got that error
[11:47] <spiv> xguo: because you turned that option on, then tried to do something that would have not kept the revnos stable
[11:48] <xguo> :), so I have followed the wrong instructions ?
[11:48] <henninge> xguo: what are you trying to achieve?
[11:48] <spiv> I'm a little curious about how you got into that situation (where you were pushing/committing something that was not a strict append)
[11:49] <xguo> I am trying to backup  my changes to my launchpad branches
[11:50] <xguo> so basically, we have a main trunk , I check out a fresh one, and also check out my branch to my workstation as well,
[11:50] <jml> is there a guide somewhere for setting up a pre-merge testing thing with Launchpad? (ideally with Jenkins)
[11:51] <xguo> every time I bzr up the main trunk in my workstation, and then bzr pull to update the branch in my workstation before I am doing any changes in my local branch
[11:51] <spiv> Well, you got an error, so you did something 'wrong' in that it didn't work for you.  I can't say if it's enabling append_revisions_only that was wrong for you, or if whatever it was you did that tripped the append_revisions_only check that was wrong for you though, without knowing more.
[11:53] <spiv> I'm a bit surprised you got that error with checkouts.  I would have expected that trying to commit to an out of date checkout would simply tell you to run 'bzr update', and then that should avoid this problem.
[11:53] <spiv> Anyway, I'm off to bed.
[11:53] <spiv> G'night (and good luck!)
[11:53] <henninge> spiv: thanks, good night
[11:54] <xguo> spiv: thanks, good night
[11:56] <henninge> xguo: I think you don't need the instructions for "keep revieion number stable" but I am not enough of a bazaar expert to help.
[11:56] <henninge> xguo: to work with bazaar branches you will normally use the branch, commit, merge, pull and push commands.
[11:57] <henninge> I have to go now, sorry.
[11:57] <xguo> thanks henninge
[12:14] <bigjools> geser: it's broken, it seems :/
[12:37] <SteveExodus> im thinking of doing my ubuntu building in obs now since it does debian and all the other main distros
[12:37] <maxb> obs?
[12:37] <SteveExodus> open build service
[12:39] <SteveExodus> i have obs configured to grab orig and dsc from lp at the moment
[12:55] <henninge> adeuring: Hi! I think it's your turn now ;-)
[12:55] <adeuring> henninge: it is our turn this week?
[12:56] <henninge> adeuring: well, the Thunderdome week would have been our week
[12:56] <adeuring> henninge: we did CHR rotation last week...
[12:56] <henninge> adeuring: so this would be our next unless you did it last week
[12:56] <henninge> ah, I see
[12:56] <henninge> adeuring: nm then
[13:10] <Laney> hey, what bugs can I watch to find out how close LP is to getting the sync button / API method? :-)
[15:09] <persia> So, Over the past 10 minutes, I've pushed 8629kB at supposedly 8 or 9 kB/s for a new stacked branch in LP for a 3019 byte patch (according to bzr diff -r 1488 | grep wc -c).  Am I experiencing an issue with LP or bzr?  Is there anything useful that can be done to troubleshoot whilst I'm waiting?
[15:15] <bigjools> persia: sounds like it's not stacked
[15:16] <bigjools> or maybe stacked on the wrong place
[15:16] <persia> Does it not automatically try to stack on :parent?
[15:23]  * persia gives up and goes to do something else, leaving the next experiment with bzr+LP for some time when there's nothing else to do
[15:37] <maxb> persia: What is the branch you are pushing?
[15:38] <persia> maxb, lp:~persia/debian-installer/publish-omap-spl
[15:39] <persia> And apologies for my fit of pique.  I'm less bothered now.
[15:39] <maxb> So, that ought to auto-stack on lp:debian-installer
[15:39] <persia> (although I'm rapidly approaching a semantic transfer rate of 1 byte / sec)
[15:39] <persia> Why?  That's not what it's branched from.
[15:40] <bdmurray> benji: I just updated the tags on bug that was incomplete and elligible for expiration 34 days from now and now date last updated has been updated and its now elligible for expiration in 59 days.  This doesn't seem like the best thing but it might just be me.
[15:40] <persia> I did `bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/debian-installer/ubuntu; ${editing}; bzr push lp:~persia/debian-installer/publish-omap-spl`
[15:41] <maxb> The default stacking logic is based on project/package development focus, not where you branched it from
[15:41] <benji> bdmurray: I don't understand.  Do you think the expiry date should not have changed or do you think it should have been pushed further than 59 days into the future?
[15:41] <maxb> (Whether that's a good thing or not is another question)
[15:42] <persia> maxb, Ah, so every time I touch a branch for an Ubuntu effort, I have to restack N years of history to trunk?
[15:42] <bdmurray> benji: I don't think the expiry date should have changed (well rather the date last updated since expiry date is calculated using that)
[15:42] <persia> Is that something for which I can file a bug?
[15:43] <bigjools> persia: what branch is set as the development focus?
[15:43] <bigjools> that's what it stacks on
[15:44] <maxb> However, I don't see any evidence of stacking in the branch currently being pushed, so I'd guess you might have run into the bug where if an empty branch exists at the destination from a previous push attempt that failed, stacking does not happen
[15:44] <maxb> The dev focus is the debian git import
[15:44] <persia> Except I only typed bzr-push once, and I'm exceedingly unlikely to have ever used that name before, as I didn't notice it mattered until about an hour ago.
[15:44] <maxb> Hmm
[15:44] <benji> bdmurray: we could create a set of "second class" edits that don't change the base modification date, but it doesn't seem like enough of a win for the complexity
[15:44] <persia> maxb, Thanks: I was still looking :)
[15:45] <persia> I'd argue that for the upstream project in LP, that's the correct development focus.
[15:45] <maxb> persia: Is there any mention of "Creating new stacked branch ..." in your terminal?
[15:45] <persia> maxb, No: it says "Using default stacking branch..."
[15:45] <bdmurray> benji: okay that seems reasonable to me
[15:45] <maxb> oh, ok, that's what I meant
[15:45] <bigjools> it's not the first push then
[15:45] <persia> Really, I only ran bzr push once.
[15:46] <persia> And really, nobody else should be playing in ~persia
[15:47] <maxb> Crikey, d-i is pretty big
[15:47] <bigjools> I think you can delete the branch in LP and re-push
[15:48] <persia> I'm not done pushing yet.  Should I interrupt it?  How long should I wait for each of between interrupt and LP delete, between LP delete and re-push?
[15:48]  * maxb does a quick test of how much bzr transfers in this scenario
[15:48] <persia> quick?
[15:49] <maxb> I'm fairly sure the slowest network segment between me and the LP datacentre is 100 Mbit :-)
[15:49] <maxb> London++
[15:49] <maxb> Transferred: 27761kB (486.1kB/s r:210kB w:27550kB)
[15:49] <bigjools> don't take this personally, but I hate you :)
[15:50] <persia> The benefit there is latency, rather than bandwidth.   For long enough transfers, I can burst to ~50Mbit/sec to the DC from here.
[15:50] <nigelb> Yeah, me too.
[15:50] <maxb> Hah, OK - so : bzr push --stacked-on=bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/debian-installer/ubuntu lp:~maxb/debian-installer/test2
[15:50] <maxb> Transferred: 68kB (17.8kB/s r:21kB w:47kB)
[15:50] <persia> That's kinda the behaviour I wanted.
[15:50] <nigelb> maxb: Now I hate you a little less :)
[15:52] <maxb> I would suggest manually providing a suitable --stacked-on option for now (which unfortunately doesn't accept lp: URLs - I have been looking at fixing that), and filing a bug pointing out that bzr could definitely benefit from using the parent branch as a stacking hint, where launchpad is concerned
[15:54] <persia> maxb, I'll definitely file the bug.  I'm loathe to stop the current push without some understanding of the timing involved in a new push.  Taking a couple hours to push a patch is one thing.  Taking several more hours while finding other issues is unlikely to be something I have the patience to complete.
[15:54] <bigjools> persia: push a different branch name then?
[15:54] <persia> So just interrupt, and then bzr push to a new name?
[15:55] <persia> What sort of URL do I want for --stacked-on ?
[15:55] <maxb> persia: I'd estimate your current push topping out at ~27MB, and a new push using around ~1MB
[15:55] <maxb> For the stacked on option, copy mine from above
[15:55] <persia> I'm at 25 MB now.
[15:56] <persia> If it finishes before I file the bug (waiting for LP to load ...), then I'll leave it.  Otherwise, I'll force stacking.
[16:04] <persia> maxb, bug #808871: please edit if you know something that would make that report more useful.
[16:04] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 808871 in Bazaar "bzr could definitely benefit from using the parent branch as a stacking hint, where launchpad is concerned" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/808871
[16:04] <persia> (and thanks for distracting me: my push is done!)
[17:27] <de22> benji, hello, i got some question regarding lauchpad, is there anyone ?
[17:28] <benji> de22: you can ask here or at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/
[17:30] <de22> alright, i'll try there
[17:37] <czajkowski> sinzui: ping
[17:38] <sinzui> czajkowski, hi
[17:39] <czajkowski> sinzui: can you help or advise on a bug that may cause me to pull more of my hair out today please
[17:39] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/700724
[17:39] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 700724 in Launchpad itself "Subscription policy inherited from parent team member" [Critical,Fix released]
[17:39] <czajkowski> god damn stupid london bus services
[17:39] <sinzui> Oh that is tricky
[17:40] <czajkowski> sinzui: you are killing me!!!!
[17:40] <czajkowski> sinzui: try and make my life easy today please :D
[17:41] <czajkowski> gmb: annoying bugs that effect locoteams which means my inbox gets full
[17:42] <gmb> czajkowski: Can you point me at  a bug number?
[17:42] <sinzui> czajkowski, I think the goal is to set the core teams to delegated; they do not care if the child team is open or closed.
[17:42] <czajkowski> gmb: the one up there above where sinzui goes it's tricky
[17:42] <gmb> Ah.
[17:43] <czajkowski> sinzui: but it;s still effecting teams, I thought this was fixed?
[17:43] <gmb> czajkowski: If sinzui thinks it's tricky, my chances are limited.
[17:43] <czajkowski> gmb: yer only lucky I wasn;t in Dublin mister!
[17:43] <gmb> :)
[17:43] <sinzui> my head just popped thinking about it
[17:43]  * sinzui tries to get the order right in his head
[17:44] <sinzui> czajkowski, is there a specific team or group of teams you want to make open?
[17:45] <czajkowski> sinzui: leogg team seems to be one of the issues
[17:45] <czajkowski> the guy who commented on the bug
[17:45] <sinzui> okay
[17:48] <sinzui> czajkowski, I cannot see a specific team of path that is part of the problem
[17:48] <czajkowski> can you say that to leogg
[17:48] <czajkowski> please
[17:48] <sinzui> czajkowski, I will reply to the bug
[17:48] <czajkowski> cheers
[18:04] <jml> is there a guide somewhere for setting up a pre-merge testing thing with Launchpad? (ideally with Jenkins)


[10:23] <pike_> The_Machine: im sure the ubuntucd will work fine too but i think gparted livecd is more current
[10:23] <verwilst__> hellow
[10:23] <The_Machine> k
[10:23] <freeman> YoG: and make sure ESSID is correct
[10:23] <piotr_> ow crap.
[10:23] <azureal> abo, when i think of desktop, i think of Gnome, KDE, Fluxbox... now when you said googledesktop my first instinct was to laugh =)
[10:23] <verwilst__> edgy's xorg is soo sluggish with nvidia drivers :(
[10:23] <sureshot> i have been on a lot of differerent help channels and you all are the best i have seen thanks again
[10:23] <The_Machine> question:  What app should i use to back up my XP OS?
[10:23] <verwilst__> dapper was much snappier
[10:23] <verwilst__> anybody else noticed this too?
[10:23] <The_Machine> (I have the disc space on external HDD, just wondering about app)
[10:23] <THX-1138> The_Machine, Virtualisation is much easier.
[10:23] <The_Machine> THX-1138:  why?
[10:23] <pike_> abo: it indexes and searches the computer hard drive?
[10:23] <piotr_> 220 mb to patch 5.10, 550 to upgrade to 6.06. And I though windows update was time consuming:P
[10:24] <YoG> freeman: ubuntu knew the ssid without me giving it. I tried automatic IP, it didn't work
[10:24] <abo> yes, and offers easily the choice to try to fetch online or on network drive
[10:24] <abo> pike_, yes, and offers easily the choice to try to fetch online or on network drive.. it is so handy and quick to use
[10:24] <THX-1138> Obviously i run Ubuntu natively when i can. (Read home) VMWare is easy to setup.
[10:25] <segfault_> e-head, interesting, ive always used tar to backup and restore installs
[10:25] <YoG> freeman: ESSID is correct.
[10:25] <xroach> freeman it worked fine before i just used the ndiswapper and network-manager-gnome but after I booted or something it disappeared
[10:25] <Shogran> hey,,
[10:25] <Enselic> I've failed to stream windows media files in firefox for 30 mins now. How do I do?
[10:25] <e-head> segfault_: probably the same thing
[10:26] <azureal> Enselic, what have you done so far
[10:26] <Shogran> I cant get webcam to work on my  AMSN
[10:26] <xnt> hi, does anybody know where are the Window Manager Configuration Files in Ubuntu??
[10:26] <e-head> hell, this program may simply use tar. it keeps me from having to remember the switches though.  :)
[10:26] <pike_> abo: there are similar linux projects but maybe none that integrated i think
[10:26] <THX-1138> gconf-editor
[10:26] <tk> anyone know why files written to NTFS in ubuntu arent visible to Windows?
[10:27] <THX-1138> tk - ntfs-3g driver? (just curious about nstalling it.)
[10:27] <Enselic> azureal: installed a bunch of codecs for MPlayer in /usr/lib/codecs|win32, tried with easyubuntu, but it only crashes, attempted to manually copy the previosuly mentioned codces into ~/.mozilla/plugins etc
[10:27] <tk> THX-1138: yah... I didnt have the problem on my external HD but I setup my internal with a shared partition and its like that...
[10:28] <azureal> Enselic, codecs dont go into mozilla/plugins...
[10:28] <Enselic> azureal: where do they go?
[10:28] <azureal> Enselic, you have mplayer, right?  I think you need mplayer-plugin
[10:28] <THX-1138> tk - That is really wierd.
[10:28] <Shogran> !webcam
[10:28] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[10:28] <azureal> Enselic, mplayerplug-in
[10:28] <xnt> Hi, does anybody know where are the Window Manager Configuration files in Ubuntu?
[10:28] <finalbeta> Ohw, perhaps my webcam can work :p
[10:29] <freeman> xnt: /etc - is the system configuration files of the software that is installed | if that's what your talking
[10:29] <freeman> about.
[10:29] <THX-1138> tk - If you ran ntfs check disk would the partition show up again?
[10:29] <OmniD> How do I install a tar.gz?
[10:29] <pike_> xnt: what specifically did you want to do
[10:29] <THX-1138> !tar
[10:29] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (gnome) or ark (kde) - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[10:29] <freeman> OmniD: tar zxvf filename.tar.gz
[10:29] <xnt> freeman: thanks, but i'm looking forward to configure ubuntu so i can use enlightenment instead of ubuntu
[10:30] <OmniD> I can uncompress it thanks, but not install
[10:30] <OmniD> thank you freeman
[10:30] <xnt> freeman: instead of gnome, imean
[10:30] <finalbeta> Hmm, it doesn't solve my webcam problem. How do I make sure my webcam doesn't become /dev/video0? Because my TV card needs to be that.
[10:30] <abo> pike_, any examples of similar projects in linux? (to google desktop)?
[10:30] <tk> THX-1138: its visible... I can write to it right now... i just cant see like.... my web files I setup under linux....
[10:30] <monofonik_> hey
[10:30] <monofonik_> question
[10:30] <iLLf8d> xnt, new or old E?
[10:30] <monofonik_> i've heard ubuntu livecds now have an installer, so if you like it, it's easy to install?
[10:30] <monofonik_> i wanna dual boot ubuntu on my powerbook g4
[10:31] <THX-1138> OmniD, Is there an install script inside? sh <install> or a .configure script?
[10:31] <freeman> monofonik_: install ubuntu on different partition.
[10:31] <abo> monofonik_, well you can say the install cd is now a live cd
[10:31] <xnt> iLL8d: I think the newest stable one, since i got it from apt-get
[10:31] <OmniD> lemme check
[10:31] <monofonik_> abo explain?
[10:31] <iLLf8d> xnt, oh old E
[10:31] <iLLf8d> ok
[10:31] <monofonik_> does the ubuntu installer have a built in partitioner?
[10:31] <maxLF> How do you install wine 0.9.22?
[10:31] <iLLf8d> xnt, you can play new one with the E live cd dist its deb on the backend
[10:31] <maxLF> I got the tar file and I Can't figure out how to isntall it
[10:31] <azureal> Enselic, also, as you will see, only .so and .xpt files go into the plugins directory; that directory is usually /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[10:31] <THX-1138> tk - Gotta be some journaling record in the registry. - anyone for a conspiracy theory?
[10:31] <pike_> abo: there is beagle ummm... you can do locate .. im sure there are others :)
[10:32] <OmniD> THX-1138, no
[10:32] <iLLf8d> xnt, its also an installer
[10:32] <YoG> freeman: I'll try dynamic DHCP, though I don't think this is the problem...
[10:32] <abo> monofonik_, the installation is a bit simpler than the previous version, if you did it before,   ... now there are not a different live cd other that the install cd, they are one
[10:32] <maxLF> How do you install wine 0.9.22? I have the tar and i click the install thing and nothing happens I made sure execute is enabeled
[10:32] <azureal> Enselic, you should be able to install mplayerplug-in via apt-get, iirc, and then see that those plugin directories will have changed
[10:32] <abo> pike_, ok thanks
[10:32] <xnt> iLL8d: Thanks but, if i already have it on my system, even the old one, how can i use it??
[10:33] <monofonik_> okay where do i get that? does it have a graphical installer now?
[10:33] <THX-1138> OmniD, Someone else knows better than i. What application? (Former AOL user recently escaped and loving ubuntu.)
[10:33] <Enselic> azureal: it apperars to work somewhat good now; MPLayer is started, but the streaming quality is crap though :(
[10:33] <Enselic> azureal: in about:plugins I have lots of ones now though, so that's a good star
[10:33] <freeman> THX-1138: aol doesn't work on ubuntu? hehe.
[10:33] <OmniD> THX-1138, BlitzMAX
[10:34] <OmniD> It seemed to install
[10:34] <THX-1138> maxLF - Psst, Cedega is a bargain. if only for ease of use. especially if you play WoW - patching wine source is no fun.
[10:34] <iLLf8d> xnt, its tne newer E anyway
[10:34] <Enselic> azureal: thanks for your help
[10:34] <monofonik_> whats the difference between the cd release and the dvd?
[10:34] <iLLf8d> xnt, if you've got a pre-established system tweaked it won't be helpful
[10:35] <whyso> ive heard automatrix sucks, but why? and what alternatives are there? (link ot list good :) )
[10:35] <Enselic> whyso: try easyubuntu
[10:35] <whyso> thanks
[10:35] <freeman> whyso: I'm using automatix as we speak, what's wrong with automatix
[10:35] <iLLf8d> xnt, unless you've setup skel correctly and can dump a packagelist to transfer over (ie have reinstall infos/stuffs setup for transfer)
[10:35] <freeman> ?
[10:35] <whyso> i dont know freeman
[10:35] <pike_> whyso: its about as easy just to search wiki.ubuntu.com and do it yourself imho
[10:35] <OmniD> freeman, did all your command do was uncompress the file?
[10:36] <whyso> ive just heard VOOODOOO STAY AWAY IT BREAK YOUR MACHIENE
[10:36] <THX-1138> freeman - I had the shortest "I woud like to quit aol phone call in the entire decades long history of aol - told them i use ubuntu and they didn't even play the we have new products recording.
[10:36] <iLLf8d> xnt, then you'd need a reinstall obviously and it wouldn't be ubuntu =P
[10:36] <OmniD> Because I already did that, but I think the files belong elsewhere
[10:36] <freeman> OmniD: and install it, of course
[10:36] <whyso> o thanks didnt know there wiki for ubuntu
[10:36] <OmniD> I don't think it actually installed anywhere
[10:36] <azureal> ah, he quit
[10:37] <freeman> OmniD: what software is this? (your trying to install)
[10:37] <THX-1138> freeman - erm - some may suspect the repositories aren't um - "solid" - paranoia possibly but the sentiment is there. - it likely will install packages that make ubuntu difficult to upgrade.
[10:37] <OmniD> Nevermind I found a guide
[10:38] <xnt> iLLf8d, ty
[10:39] <iLLf8d> thanks for the thanks sorry I'm not helpful =P how hard do you find E to tame?
[10:39] <darkos> buenas
[10:39] <THX-1138> !es
[10:39] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:39] <THX-1138> !pt
[10:39] <darkos> ok
[10:39] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[10:39] <iLLf8d> xnt, they seem very kdeish in the fact theres a billion customizations you can do
[10:40] <walvaro> Bufff
[10:40] <sydtsai> hi
[10:40] <walvaro> hi
[10:40] <walvaro> linux is very difficult
[10:40] <THX-1138> darkos - we would like to help you here. - We just won't be very good.
[10:40] <walvaro> :(
[10:40] <xnt> iLLf8d, i just wanted to test it since my supervisor recommended it
[10:40] <sydtsai> does anyone having problem with easy ubuntu?
[10:40] <xnt> iLLf8d, but i'm thinking about using SuSE now...
[10:40] <walvaro> i have 2 problems
[10:40] <sydtsai> i can't get the key verify...
[10:40] <darkos> thank... my english is very bad
[10:40] <darkos> much beter for.es
[10:41] <THX-1138> Linux+different spoken language is really tough.
[10:41] <iLLf8d> ah
[10:41] <iLLf8d> xnt, do you have much nix exposure?
[10:41] <YoG> freeman: when I do ifup wlan0, i get: 'error for wireless request "set ESSID" '
[10:41] <xnt> iLLf8d, I don't know what do you mean with nix exposure... I'm not a native-english speaker :P
[10:42] <xroach> dont like this att all, just when i get everything running fine Wireless wont work anymore :(
[10:42] <iLLf8d> nix as in linux/bsd/unix/etc...
[10:42] <YoG> freeman: then a bunch of "DHCPDISCOVER"
[10:42] <designdream> finally!
[10:42] <THX-1138> xnt - how long have you used linux
[10:42] <xroach> Yog i got the same problem
[10:43] <YoG> xroach: do you see the card on the router side?
[10:43] <xnt> iLLf8d, about 4 years but just as a normal user... I'm a developer and used to be with doors... but now I'm beggining serious work...
[10:43] <Sugar^> Can anyone point me to a guide, on how to set you default terminal encoding, to something else that utf-8
[10:43] <xroach> not anymore
[10:43] <YoG> xroach: and when you use static ip?
[10:43] <hollaback83> I need wave to text software for ubuntu were do i get it from??????????????
[10:43] <iLLf8d> xnt, ah cool sounds like you have a fun job
[10:43] <xroach> i got my card even running but then i screwed something over and no wont work anymore
[10:44] <THX-1138> xnt - Sounds Thats great.:)
[10:44] <iLLf8d> xnt, you don't normally find supervisors telling people to install a linux dist
[10:44] <pike_> YoG: you have done sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid linksys or whatever?
[10:44] <THX-1138> !bash
[10:44] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[10:44] <THX-1138> !xterm
[10:44] <ubotu> xterm: X terminal emulator. In component main, is optional. Version 208-3.1ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 387 kB, installed size 960 kB
[10:44] <icCE> re
[10:44] <xnt> iLLf8d, my supervisor is great, although he uses MacOS, but i don't have enough cash for a mac... matter of fact just got a new pc...
[10:44] <YoG> pike: no, I'll try that...
[10:45] <hollaback83> i need a wave to text software for ubuntu were do i get it from?????????????????????/
[10:45] <Sugar^> thx, ill have a look
[10:45] <mtymobile> hi
[10:45] <iLLf8d> xnt, yeah macs can be pricey and they can be annoying if you don't like the ui but if you can get past that they're nice (and the lack of docs)
[10:45] <xroach> Yog yes i see my card from router
[10:45] <xroach> Yog yes i see my card from router
[10:46] <xnt> iLLf8d, maybe in some years i'll use mac... aint know yet...
[10:46] <hollaback83> i need speech recognition software for ubuntu were do i get it from?????????????????????????
[10:46] <YoG> xroach: so yes, it looks like the same problem... :(
[10:46] <xroach> what card are u using?
[10:46] <mtymobile> can you tell me why powersaved worked perfectly on suse while on ubuntu when i wake up from suspendtoram the screen is completly blank?
[10:46] <xroach> im using a buffalo G54 pcmia
[10:46] <iLLf8d> xnt, I'll probably get one too since you can run linux and osx on them now although they're definately too pricey
[10:46] <AsheD> I am trying to use Serpentine to make an audio disk, but it tells me that the converting files failed
[10:46] <xroach> and found the right drivers by googling for 2days
[10:47] <THX-1138> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Speech-Recognition-HOWTO/index.html
[10:47] <YoG> xroach: Acer Warplink USB Adapter
[10:47] <iLLf8d> mtymobile, you may wanna try to make an alias and hotkey to launch a term install vbetool and make sure its just not a backlight issue
[10:47] <xroach> im thinking off reinstalling ubuntu
[10:48] <GeorgeM36Gr> anyone with ab9 pro and e6600 in here?
[10:48] <iLLf8d> mtymobile, ie vbetool dpms on/off
[10:48] <xnt> iLLf8d, hope they get cheaper... Here in Mexico most people can't even afford to have a PC...
[10:48] <hollaback83> is there any speech recognition software for ubuntu
[10:48] <slacktyro> Hi all, i'm having problem with sound at my pc
[10:48] <THX-1138> hollaback83,  ^^^^^^^^^
[10:48] <mtymobile> iLLf8d, what is vbetool?
[10:48] <slacktyro> it works fine until i click at mixer, after that no sound is possible
[10:48] <GeorgeM36Gr> anyone with ab9 pro and e6600 in here?
[10:48] <slacktyro> anyone can help me?
[10:49] <iLLf8d> apt-cache show vbetool
[10:49] <freeman> bbl
[10:49] <iLLf8d> mtymobile, it may not be that simple tho
[10:49] <xroach> Yog are do U use ndiswapper
[10:49] <THX-1138> freeman tc
[10:49] <marshall> ubuntu is great
[10:49] <iLLf8d> I've been running into issues where suspend to ram works or suspend to disk (in different kernels I compile) but never both
[10:49] <iLLf8d> its wierd
[10:50] <mtymobile> iLLf8d, vbetools is installed
[10:50] <sureshot> does anyone know what the biggest fat32 pattion can be
[10:50] <YoG> pike: iwconfig gives me "operation no supported" for "set ESSID" :(
[10:50] <walvaro> sorry, i have mounted the hda of win2000 partition in the media/windows archive, and now i cant copy the files of this partition to the usbdisk because the usbdisk says: "You are not the owner, so you cannot change these permissions."
[10:51] <GeorgeM36Gr> need help to install ubuntu on a p965 board with jmircon and e6600 can anyone help?
[10:51] <iLLf8d> mtymobile, if you open a term and try vbetools dpms off and vbetools dpms on  (keeping in mind the screen will go blank after the first one) so you gotta make sure you don't mistype
[10:51] <YoG> xroach: I don't know... if its not installed by default then I'm not using it.
[10:51] <THX-1138> sureshot - i only vaguely remember - 120gigs?
[10:51] <walvaro> how can i be the "owner of the usbdisk?
[10:51] <e-head> How risky is upgrading to php5 ?
[10:51] <iLLf8d> you'll see it'll turn your lcd on/off
[10:51] <e-head> What do I need to do ?
[10:51] <iLLf8d> off/on I mean
[10:51] <iLLf8d> for some reason xset dpms stuff doesn't work on all lappys
[10:51] <xroach> u trying to get wpa to work?
[10:52] <Shogran> eh.. my webcam doesnt work
[10:52] <casey420> u geeks like good music? ;o
[10:52] <ChickenTalons> WPA works like feces in linux, wireless too, its a total pain in the ass to get working
[10:52] <sureshot> thanks THX-1138 i think that is why it wont format it is a 250 gb drive already had to jumper it so it is only 1.5gb instead of 3.0
[10:52] <iLLf8d> mtymobile, hey just outta curiosity which make/model lappy you got?
[10:53] <mtymobile> iLLf8d, dialogue flybook
[10:53] <iLLf8d> heh
[10:53] <iLLf8d> sounds like in living color =P
[10:53] <YoG> xroach: no, I don't use wep.
[10:53] <mtymobile> iLLf8d, ???
[10:53] <iLLf8d> the tv series with the fly girls
[10:54] <iLLf8d> never head of it before is it decent?
[10:54] <mtymobile> iLLf8d, how do you add vbetool to wakeup scripts?
[10:54] <owen_> ok a website requires flash player 6 - i tried installing swf-player and it still wont work on firefox. any ideas?
[10:54] <iLLf8d> you gotta figure out which sleep its using the acpi or apm one and they add it to the right script
[10:54] <THX-1138> http://www.allensmith.net/Storage/HDDlimit/FAT32.htm  127gigs
[10:54] <iLLf8d> in mine it was in /etc/acpi path
[10:55] <aetherfox> hey guys, i needed some help trying to understand why the partition tool doesn't want to work properly for me
[10:55] <sureshot> thanks man
[10:55] <iLLf8d> mtymobile, it may not be the fix you may wanna test it first by setting up a hotkey to launch a term and an alias to run vbetools (I set mine to vbeon and vbeoff)
[10:55] <sureshot> THX-1138 have to take to much pain med today i am going to nap a few then reset it up thanks alot tough ok
[10:56] <iLLf8d> that way you sleep the lappy get it to come back then hotkey open your term and type vbeon (and see if anything happens) or try sshing in (probably a better check since you'll know if you get ssh/commandline back then)
[10:56] <aetherfox> i try to resize my ntfs partition to make space for the ubuntu partition, and it gives me an error saying new partition could not be made
[10:56] <THX-1138> iLLf8d, Do you know the alias for mouse button two? Can it be used in gconf-editor /apps/metacity?
[10:57] <aetherfox> strange thing is, if i do just the resize without creating the new partition, i get no error message, but when gparted refreshes, the partition didn't seem to make any changes...
[10:57] <aetherfox> i am on a laptop, trying to install 6.06.1
[10:57] <aetherfox> any help?
[10:57] <iLLf8d> hrm theres an alias for mouse button didn't know that?
[10:57] <YoG> xroach: do you get "operation no supported" for "set ESSID" when you do ifup?
[10:57] <Fornen> Im trying to install a package but keep getting a errors how do i check what the errors are?
[10:57] <iLLf8d> I'm not overly gnome savvy accept for what I've been working on recently
[10:58] <slacktyro> Hi all, i'm having problem with sound at my pc
[10:58] <slacktyro> it works fine until i click at mixer, after that no sound is possible
[10:58] <iLLf8d> THX-1138, I dunno how you'd alias a mouse button anyway?
[10:58] <iLLf8d> THX-1138, what you'd type button and it'd do an event over the term anyway so I don't see the point
[10:58] <THX-1138> iLLf8d, lol  - I just don't seem to know the magic word. "Bad Syntax"
[10:58] <owen_> how do i install flash 7 on an amd64 bit dapper box?
[10:59] <iLLf8d> THX-1138, oh whatya trying to do?
[10:59] <walvaro> tururu
[10:59] <tjpp> any1 using edgy amd64 ?
[10:59] <THX-1138> iLLf8d, tie transset/xcompmgr to mouse button 2
[11:00] <|thunder> wassup all, what commands do I need to scandisk a NTFS drive ?
[11:00] <birdfish> Hey guys, a quick question.  Just wondering how I would go about installing a process (such as an IRC bouncer) so that once the service is started, the client can log out of his account without the process dying.
[11:00] <birdfish> Hopefully that made sense
[11:00] <birdfish> Anyone have any ideas?
[11:00] <THX-1138> birdfish - "screen" and irssi
[11:00] <xroach> Yog why dont u try ndiswapper
[11:00] <AsheD> I am trying to use Serpentine to make an audio disk, but it tells me that the converting files failed
[11:01] <iLLf8d> THX-1138, ah I gotcha and thats gonna do what some fancy desktop switching thing?
[11:01] <Fornen> anyone help me with a package install problem?
[11:01] <YoG> xroach: I don't know what it is...
[11:01] <tjpp> I got a soft cpu lockuy on edgy amd64
[11:01] <THX-1138> iLLf8d, Adds transparency to a clicked window.
[11:01] <iLLf8d> gotcha
[11:01] <birdfish> THX-1138: Thanks, but I'd rather use a bouncer and allow the client to utilize whatever client they'd like.  The idea is to get away from logging into the actual server and to just authenticate to a bouncer.
[11:01] <iLLf8d> THX-1138, uhm theres a way to do that gotta remember hrm
[11:02] <iLLf8d> THX-1138, lemme do a few apt-cache searches theres a way to capture mouse events
[11:02] <iLLf8d> THX-1138, other then the standard debug stuffs
[11:02] <THX-1138> iLLf8d, transset-df won't compile cleanly. it would/should allow transparency to follow the mouse.
[11:04] <xroach> YoG it allows u to use windows drivers for the wifi card of yours
[11:04] <pianoboy3333> Here's my issue, my music folder is mostly mp3's, but then some really, really, good albums I ripped as flacs. In a separate folder I have the mp3's of those flacs for transferring to my mp3 player. What is the best way to make some sort of folder that is only mp3's? Links?
[11:04] <|thunder> what is the liux equiv of chkdsk ?
[11:04] <THX-1138> fsck
[11:04] <iLLf8d> THX-1138, oh good luck then I dunno if its a buggy feature go fish I don't have any practical experience with it to helpya out sorry
[11:04] <pianoboy3333> |thunder: but don't run it on a mounted hard drive
[11:04] <|thunder> thanks.
[11:04] <|thunder> no ?
[11:05] <|thunder> unmounted ?
[11:05] <YoG> xroach: I think I'll try installing tht 6.06 first...
[11:05] <pianoboy3333> |thunder: yes
[11:05] <THX-1138> iLLf8d,  Thank You for taking a look at it.
[11:05] <pianoboy3333> |thunder: if you need to run it on your main hard drive, then use a live cd and do it that way
[11:05] <iLLf8d> THX-1138, just keep google searching for the issue I'm sure someone else is having it too
[11:05] <|thunder> im going to run it live on a friends ntfs drive. does it support NTFS ?
[11:06] <pianoboy3333> |thunder: I have no clue
[11:06] <Rambo> can anyone recommend a wireless network card that works in Ubuntu?
[11:06] <jesse__> hello trying to upgrade to breezy, and getting the following error:
[11:06] <jesse__>  dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libaspell-dev_0.60.3-5_i386.deb (--unpack):
[11:06] <jesse__>  failed in buffer_read(fd): files list for package `kdelibs-data': Input/output error
[11:06] <jesse__> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:06] <jesse__>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libaspell-dev_0.60.3-5_i386.deb
[11:06] <jesse__> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[11:06] <jesse__> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:06] <jesse__> any ideas what todo?
[11:06] <LjL> !paste
[11:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:06] <HedgeMage> jesse__: please don't flood... anything over 4 lines belongs in a pastebin
[11:06] <jesse__> oops
[11:06] <|thunder> ok, thanks pianoboy3333
[11:06] <HedgeMage> :) thanks, LjL
[11:06] <jesse__> my bad
[11:07] <buu> Is there any particular reason root won't take my username/password through the webinterface?
[11:07] <pike_> pianoboy3333: like for i in `ls | grep .mp3`; do ln -s $i directory/$i; done or something?
[11:07] <wasabi_> There anyway to get ELILO working on an Intel EM64T?
[11:07] <THX-1138> jesse__, I got a little farther. still more errors ahead with fonts. - gave up and grabbed the iso image.
[11:07] <LjL> jesse__: uhm, i don't know, but isn't your HD full by any chance?
[11:08] <azureal> webinterface? what's that
[11:08] <jesse__> LjL no, HD is definitly not full
[11:08] <THX-1138> webmin for samba
[11:08] <birdfish> THX-1138: you seem knowledgeable however, so would you have any idea how to make the bouncer run as a process?
[11:09] <LjL> jesse__: dunno, try "sudo apt-get clean" and then try again (note: this will make you re-download the stuff)
[11:09] <slacktyro>  i'm trying to acess a internet adress but it's returning me a time out problem as the adress didn't work, the link is www.falconryquestions.co.uk can anyone help me?
[11:10] <THX-1138> birdfish - "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.."  (AOL refugee recent convert to open source. - fun but i don't know nearly enough)
[11:10] <buu> slacktyro: the website is not responding.
[11:10] <Gumby> slacktyro: do you have any idea waht the URL resolves to?
[11:10] <Gumby> the website works here
[11:10] <buu> Really?
[11:11] <Gumby> yep
[11:11] <ericz> it works here too
[11:11] <buu> test$ nslookup A www.falconryquestions.co.uk
[11:11] <buu> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[11:11] <slacktyro> it's strange, windows users work
[11:11] <wasabi_> Anybody have experience getting Dapper booting on a Intel Xeon Woodcrest server with EFI?
[11:11] <wasabi_> In 64bit mode of course.
[11:11] <|thunder> anyone know if fsck and diagnose a ro ntfs part ? or if there is an equiv that does ? hopefully one that is on the ubuntu live CD.
[11:11] <|thunder> *can diagnose
[11:11] <slacktyro> i don't have any idea how it can work
[11:11] <ttank> I would like to know how to setup the modem init strings. Where do i put them?
[11:12] <SubNet> hi there! sdptool can not connect to sdpserver on xx:xx:... on route to host
[11:12] <SubNet> any ideas
[11:12] <slacktyro> it used to work when i use slack 10.1, when i installed slack 10.2 it stop to work, now with ubuntu it's not working too
[11:12] <SubNet> I'm trying to connect my mobile via bluetooth
[11:13] <micahcowan> Can any one tell me why I can't edit the command-line in dash, even if I "set -o vi" or "set -o emacs"?
[11:13] <THX-1138> !bluetooth
[11:13] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[11:13] <ntc> anyone knows which of all consolefonts that can draw ascii art
[11:13] <ntc> like nfo files?
[11:13] <gnomefreak> micahcowan: dapper doesnt use dash
[11:13] <micahcowan> According to the docs, I should be able to.
[11:13] <micahcowan> gnomefreak, dash is available in dapper, however (I'm currently running dapper atm)
[11:15] <ntc> or maybe even ansi art
[11:15] <ntc> that would be an app
[11:15] <ntc> but ascii art
[11:15] <pike_> micahcowan: emacs? are you some kind of hippie?
[11:15] <ntc> I would really like to know if there is such console font
[11:16] <micahcowan> pike_: "set -o emacs" sets up "emacs-style bindings" on many shells. The kind that are probably default on whatever shell you use... Anyway, I prefer "set -o vi".
[11:17] <ntc> kk there is no such font?
[11:17] <pike_> micahcowan: ah. appreciate the explanation
[11:17] <micahcowan> ntc, afaik, all of them should support that.
[11:18] <ntc> thats wierd then
[11:18] <micahcowan> ntc, graphic characters are typically a "mode" that you have to put the terminal into to use those characters.
[11:18] <SubNet> ubotu: sudo hidd --search -> Searching ... -> No devices in range or visible
[11:18] <ntc> well its for my framebuffers
[11:18] <buu> Hrm. What do I need to do to make pam work?
[11:18] <ntc> the motd is ascii
[11:18] <ntc> and the current one looks like hell :P
[11:19] <micahcowan> ntc, can you attach the ASCII art you're trying to view to a pastebin?
[11:19] <gotiniens> does anybody know if some command's arent allowed in cron? I have a script using iwconfig wich doesnt work with cron. If I run it by hand is all goes perfect
[11:19] <ntc> excuse me, im kinda new
[11:19] <SubNet> ubotu: sudo hidd --search ->Searching ... -> No devices in range or visible
[11:19] <ntc> pastebin? sry
[11:19] <micahcowan> !pastebin
[11:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:19] <_aasics_> Is there a way to lock the desktop when a jumpdrive (usb)  is removed/
[11:20] <micahcowan> gotiniens, what is the command you're trying in cron?
[11:20] <gotiniens> iwconfig
[11:20] <micahcowan> where is the script?
[11:20] <ntc> kk micahcowan i'll do that
[11:20] <SubNet> ubotu: But teh mobile is online and the PC as well
[11:20] <wasabi_> Anybody have experience getting Dapper booting on a Intel Xeon Woodcrest server with EFI, in 64bit mode?
[11:20] <gotiniens> there's no output at all from iwconfig if the script is run by cron
[11:21] <gotiniens> micahcowan, the script is in ~/bin/
[11:21] <gotiniens> which is in my $PATH
[11:21] <micahcowan> where is your PATH set? ~/.bashrc?
[11:21] <Basic_py> Saw reference to 64-bit version of vmware for ubuntu, where can I find the package?
[11:21] <ntc> I havent done this, just testing with a scene nfo file
[11:21] <ntc> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26508/
[11:21] <ntc> micahcowan,
[11:22] <gotiniens> micahcowan, doesn't really matter, it doesn't even run how it should when i give the absolute path of the script
[11:22] <micahcowan> gotiniens, you don't use "~" in that absolute path, though, right?
[11:23] <mtymobile> iLLf8d, what can i use to setup hotkeys?
[11:23] <gotiniens> nope, otherwise it would be an relative path :P
[11:23] <iLLf8d> mtymobile, to launch apps of for special features?
[11:23] <iLLf8d> mtymobile, like play/stop/volume etc?
[11:23] <micahcowan> well, technically it's an absolute path after the shell expands it, but that's neither here nor there...
[11:23] <iLLf8d> s/of/or
[11:24] <micahcowan> ntc, does it look in the pastebin the way you want it to look on your terminal?
[11:24] <mtymobile> iLLf8d, basically i want support for fn laptop hotkeys
[11:24] <ntc> nope, well its in right form kinda, but its not drawn right
[11:24] <ntc> i read on the forums i need lucida p consle font to draw this correctly
[11:25] <ntc> and thats ture
[11:25] <micahcowan> ntc, ntc, could you actually add the text file as an /attachment/ to the pastebin, then, instead of copy/pasting?
[11:25] <ntc> thats the only font i used so fat that can draw ascii correctly
[11:25] <nn> How can i delete changes i made to the default gdm greeter? It now explodes with a "Greeter keeps crashing" message and i just want to go back to dapper's default without it exploding :(
[11:25] <ntc> sure micahcowan
[11:25] <slacktyro> Gumby: do you know how to solve that problem?
[11:25] <gan|y|med> hello
[11:25] <nn> No ideas? :/
[11:25] <gan|y|med> is it possible to play drm protected material in linux/ubuntu?
[11:26] <ntc> micahcowan, there is no funciotn to do that
[11:26] <gu014> is anyone using SageTV?
[11:26] <kmaynard> nn, what did you do?
[11:26] <gotiniens> micahcowan, i am really sure my script is right, and my cron is right, because the script runs. but the only problem is there is no output from iwconfig. It should be in the log file where I redirect all the output
[11:26] <nn> kmaynard: switched themes from the preferences in gnome
[11:26] <micahcowan> ntc, you're right, that looks like it probably really is a font issue. Something that uses graphics characters in /place/ of the typical ISO 8859 stuff, and not just for 'graphics mode'. :/
[11:26] <iLLf8d> mtymobile, the multimedia keys section of this one looks right http://eulex.0nyx.com/inspiron6000.html
[11:26] <ntc> hmm okey
[11:26] <nn> kmaynard: after which it no longer works, giving a Greeter Keeps Crashing error and falling back to the default greeter, ironically the one it falls back to looks just like what i had selected and tried to go back to...\
[11:27] <micahcowan> ntc, you're right-huh! there used to be a way to do that.
[11:27] <Gumby> slacktyro: well, you should try to use traceroute on the URL and see where it fails
[11:27] <gotiniens> I have a line like this: echo *** `iwconfig` *** and the log only shows ***  ***
[11:27] <iLLf8d> mtymobile, I've got my lappy setup similarly
[11:27] <ntc> hehe
[11:27] <ntc> well
[11:27] <kmaynard> nn, does it let you login then?
[11:27] <_aasics_> Is there a way to lock the desktop when a jumpdrive (usb)  is removed/
[11:27] <ntc> there must be a way to do this
[11:27] <iLLf8d> mtymobile, its kinda nice cause theres an onscreen readout as to what its doing overlayed over the top of everything
[11:27] <ntc> cus that is basicly viewd corectly in old dos font
[11:27] <pike_> gan|y|med: yes
[11:28] <micahcowan> ntc, there should be a way to change your console's font; I've never had occaision to do it (except in xterm, etc), so I won't be much help...
[11:28] <Gumby> slacktyro: but you are probably sol until wherever it fails is corrected
[11:28] <ntc> okey :( well thanks for trying micahcowan
[11:28] <ntc> =)
[11:28] <kmaynard> nn, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
[11:28] <ntc> i'll have to do a thread on the forums then
[11:29] <micahcowan> gotiniens, how do you do the redirections?
[11:29] <gan|y|med> pike_: how?
[11:29] <pike_> gan|y|med: like a dvd?
[11:29] <nn> kmaynard: sadly nothing, x is working ok, it's a gdm thing
[11:29] <nn> maybe uninstall gdm and reinstall?
[11:29] <gotiniens> micahcowan, with >>
[11:30] <micahcowan> Are you redirecting stderr as well as stdout?
[11:30] <gotiniens> nope only >>
[11:30] <gotiniens> thats stdout right?
[11:30] <squee_> How do I make ubuntu start in text mode by default? (so i have to tell it startx if i want x)
[11:31] <micahcowan> gotiniens, hm... it's possible that iwconfig has something on stderr... but if that's the case, you should have gotten the output in your mailspool.
[11:31] <kmaynard> nn, if it lets you login, can you switch back to the original screen?
[11:31] <micahcowan> *mailfile
[11:31] <kmaynard> and yes, i would try a reintsall
[11:31] <kmaynard> of gdm
[11:31] <frying_fish> squee_: /etc/init.d/gdm start
[11:31] <frying_fish> unless gdm is broken
[11:31] <darkaura> Hi holycow sorry to bug you can you help me again
[11:31] <frying_fish> in which case startx will do it, and should load gnome by default, but with bits not quite fully working.
[11:31] <nn> kmaynard: I can login, what happens is the default greeter crashes several times, so it uses a fallback
[11:31] <nn> hold one
[11:32] <kmaynard> sounds like a video driver
[11:32] <nn> kmaynard: is the greeter app part of gdm or?
[11:32] <squee_> fryingfish: wont that just start the gdm?  Dont i want to somehow not start it by default?
[11:32] <kmaynard> yes, its gdm
[11:32] <wastrel> squee_:  sudo update-rc.d gdm remove
[11:33] <Shadow_mil> varrun                121M   88K  121M   1% /var/run
[11:33] <Shadow_mil> varlock               121M  4.0K  121M   1% /var/lock
[11:33] <Shadow_mil> udev                  121M  124K  121M   1% /dev
[11:33] <Shadow_mil> devshm                121M     0  121M   0% /dev/shm
[11:33] <Shadow_mil> lrm                   121M   19M  103M  16% /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386/volatile
[11:33] <Shadow_mil>   Do these really need to be so big?
[11:33] <wastrel> squee_:  or you could apt-get remove gdm
[11:33] <squee_> wastrel: "update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/gdm exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)" just force it?
[11:33] <micahcowan> gotiniens, is it in root's crontab (in /etc/...), or in your user crontab?
[11:34] <squee_> wastrel: I tried apt-get remove gdm and it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[11:34] <holycow> darkaura, nope sorry, workin
[11:34] <gotiniens> micahcowan, in my users
[11:34] <darkaura> okay
[11:34] <npodges> on this machine, my internet is working, but i cant connect to the router or ping any other local computers. the router's set up fine, so it's something on this computer. any idea what's wrong?
[11:34] <nn> /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom has [daemon]  Greeter=/usr/lib/gdm/gdmlogin
[11:34] <wastrel> squee_:  ubuntu-desktop is a wrapper package you can safely remove
[11:34] <squee_> ok thanks
[11:34] <ntc> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=276302
[11:34] <micahcowan> gotiniens, is /var/mail/<username> empty? I'm assuming you probably don't check your local mail on this machine much, if it's a desktop.
[11:35] <nn> whats that properly?
[11:35] <segfault_> squee_, ubuntu-desktop is a meta pkg which depends on all of the packages that make up the ubuntu desktop which includes gdm
[11:35] <gan|y|med> pike_: no, it is a file. it is supposed to work in windows (couldn't try it though), but in ubuntu i get file is encrypted
[11:35] <squee_> ok, that makes sense
[11:35] <gb521> hi, is this the place for ubuntu support?
[11:35] <kmaynard> !ask
[11:35] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:35] <gotiniens> micahcowan, I just checked it's empty
[11:35] <segfault_> gb521, yep
[11:36] <pike_> gan|y|med: what kind of file? you can use the file command "file filename" for info
[11:36] <darkaura> I got an RCA 1gig lyra mp3 player, and I was wondering if there is anyway to get amorak support for it
[11:36] <gb521> i just got ubuntu, which happens to be my first linux, so im really confused about the whole thing.  i wanted to change the automatic boot to windows, and i dont understand the directions on the support page
[11:36] <micahcowan> gotiniens, what does the exact same iwconfig command do if you invoke it as: "iwconfig </dev/null 2>/dev/null"?
[11:36] <ntc> if you have time guys, take a look at this, i'd be grateful .... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=276302
[11:36] <gan|y|med> how is the beginning of the command (always forget it)?
[11:37] <gotiniens> micahcowan, on my terminal or in cron?
[11:37] <micahcowan> gotiniens, in your terminal
[11:37] <pike_> gb521: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst   look for a line that says default  0 and change that to whatever entry number windows is. first entry is 0 second is 1 etc
[11:38] <ixian_> can someone help me with getting Tor to work on ubuntu? i followed this page ( http://corvillus.com/2006/09/18/how-to-set-up-tor-and-privoxy-on-ubuntu-linux/ ) but i get this error when i type 'tor' in terminal: [warn]  /var/lib/tor is not owned by this user (jeff, 1000) but by debian-tor (114). Perhaps you are running Tor as the wrong user?
[11:38] <gb521> where do i do that?  i dont know where to enter that
[11:38] <wastrel> what's tor?
[11:38] <micahcowan> !tor
[11:38] <ubotu> tor: anonymizing overlay network for TCP. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu2.1 (dapper), package size 608 kB, installed size 1120 kB
[11:38] <gandalfcome> I have a big problem with mldonkey (the package from ubuntus repo) does anyone know the solution to installing/removing it
[11:38] <pike_> gb521: open a terminal and type sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst that will open a text editor editing the menu.lst file
[11:39] <npodges> gb521> applications >accessories >terminal
[11:39] <ixian_> how do i start torrrrr
[11:40] <gb521> pike, im getting a prompt for a password
[11:40] <pike_> gb521: type your user password
[11:41] <nn> kmaynard: had to cp the /etc/gdm to ~, del /etc/gdm, reinstall package, cp the gdm.conf and Xkeepscrashing and Xsession files back to /etc/gdm but it works, cheers!
[11:41] <pike_> gb521: did it open?
[11:41] <slacktyro> my mozilla is giving timeout error at site that is ok, how can i solve it????
[11:41] <deadly_venom> After I've typed apt-get upgrade gaim .. ubuntu doesn't want to start firefox ? .. How do I fix this... and Also When i go to synaptic package maanager, I get Read error - read (5 input/output error) .. The package lists could not be opened.
[11:41] <iamtheric> your connect sucks
[11:42] <tim57> hi all
[11:42] <tk> fixed my NTFS problem..... turned out my linux never mounted the partition so it was just writing locally
[11:42] <tim57> I have a question regarding dd
[11:43] <iamtheric> ok
[11:43] <tim57> the command
[11:43] <enyc> tim57: listening ;-)
[11:43] <pike_> tim57: ?
[11:43] <gan|y|med> pike_: how does the command start?
[11:43] <tim57> @enyc: Isn't that command supposed to be root only?
[11:43] <enyc> tim57: no -- but many devcise you might use may normally only be usable by root
[11:43] <gb521> ok, i got it
[11:43] <deadly_venom> After I've typed apt-get upgrade gaim .. ubuntu doesn't want to start firefox ? .. How do I fix this... and Also When i go to synaptic package maanager, I get Read error - read (5 input/output error) .. The package lists could not be opened.
[11:44] <pike_> gan|y|med: if i wanted to know what kind of file filename.tar was i could open a terminal and tye "file filename.tar"
[11:44] <enyc> tim57: e.g. if you aretrying te dd /dev/hda  that would normally only be allowaed for 'root' iirc
[11:44] <jesse__> is running a dist-upgrade with apt-get a good idea to get from hoary to breezy?
[11:44] <iamtheric> deadly_venom, apt-get upgrade upgrades your whole system
[11:44] <tim57> ah ok... I just did a "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda"
[11:44] <tim57> and wondered the activity ;-)
[11:44] <deadly_venom> iamtheobject This problem only happened, when i typed apt-get upgrade gaim
[11:44] <enyc> jesse__: yes... hoary>breezy ... then  breezy>dapper  separately ;-)
[11:45] <enyc> tim57: however... sda might be a plugin device or something you have permissions to use directly?
[11:45] <tim57> I did it from a Live CD... but no prob, I did that intentionally
[11:45] <iamtheric> deadly_venom, try getting a new firefox
[11:45] <ker0uac> I have a laptop running dapper, with an i915 video card. I'm trying to install the newest driver, but when I ./install.sh the driver, it says "The DRI drivers cannot be installed without the latest kernel modules."  What does this mean, and how do I correct it?
[11:45] <tim57> sda in my case is a 110gb external hdd
[11:45] <anon32> the flash plugin only has support up to 4?
[11:45] <tim57> which I wanted to erase
[11:45] <deadly_venom> iamtheobject When i go to synaptic package maanager, I get Read error - read (5 input/output error) .. The package lists could not be opened. .. even from terminal, when i type apt-get , same error.
[11:45] <anon32> the hell?
[11:46] <gan|y|med> pike_: it is a wmv file. what else should i want to know?
[11:46] <Gumby> deadly_venom: are you using sudo?
[11:46] <tim57> @enyc: thank you for your help - where can I set rights to/for devices?
[11:46] <Gumby> deadly_venom: is your hard drive full?
[11:46] <iamtheric> deadly_venom, then get a new apt
[11:46] <iamtheric> try a apt get update
[11:46] <deadly_venom> Gumby yup
[11:47] <pike_> gan|y|med: oh well not sure about that other than using wine for mediaplayer or something
[11:47] <Gumby> deadly_venom: I'd try sudo apt-get update and when its done sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:47] <iamtheric> deadly_venom, that would do it
[11:47] <ker0uac> How do I get the latest "kernel modules" for my video card?
[11:48] <deadly_venom> Gumby is dist-upgrade = distribtuion upgrade?
[11:48] <tim57> 'cause I'm going to do a full install of Ubuntu... waiting for the 110gb usb hdd to erase left me alone with Ubuntu for playing and I likes it
[11:48] <gan|y|med> pike_ a friend of mine tried it, doesnt work with mediaplayer except you'll have a "security" update
[11:48] <gan|y|med> does anybody know how to play dmr protected files in linux???
[11:48] <crewer> Hello. I got a server with 5.04. I need a mirror so i can install php5. Someone got amirror?
[11:48] <gb521> pike, i see the default 0 - is there a way i can tell which is windows
[11:48] <Gumby> deadly_venom: I recommend reading the man pages of apt-get. I recommend ready the man page of any program before you jump into it so you understand what it is going to do as you dont seem to understand what apt-get upgrade does.
[11:49] <tim57> @gan|y|med: unDRM them ;-)
[11:49] <iamtheric> i had an apt problem recently
[11:49] <deadly_venom> Gumby When i type dmesg, i get this --> ide: failed opcode was: unknown .. end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 24773535
[11:49] <gan|y|med> tim57: how?
[11:49] <anon32> err, does GNASH have a browser plugin?
[11:49] <tim57> for MS DRM there is a tool... but I guess it runs on Win only
[11:49] <tim57> Maybe with Wine
[11:49] <Gumby> deadly_venom: sounds like a corrupted partition.  I'd boot from a livecd and run an fsck on it
[11:50] <Gumby> deadly_venom: and possibly get ready to replace a hard drive :(
[11:50] <TheGateKeeper> deadly_venom: may be time to give badblocks a try
[11:50] <deadly_venom> Gumby This NEVER happened. This only happened, when i typed -> apt-get upgrade gaim.
[11:50] <pike_>  gb521 count the entries like there will be three for ubuntu   starting with title     ubuntusomething then windows if there are only 4 then since it starts at 0 it would be default 4
[11:50] <deadly_venom> That's when i get the errror
[11:51] <anon32> hell, why isn't gnash in the repos?
[11:51] <Gumby> deadly_venom: apt-get upgrade gaim is not a proper apt-get command
[11:51] <gb521> where do i check the entries
[11:51] <iamtheric> deadly_venom, apt-get install
[11:51] <deadly_venom> Gumby but it was working, then reboot my PC .. THEN i got this problem. . anyway to un-do it?
[11:52] <ker0uac> How do I get the latest "kernel modules" for my video card?
[11:52] <crewer> Hello. I got a server with 5.04. I need a mirror so i can install php5. Someone got amirror?
[11:52] <Gumby> deadly_venom: again, I cant be more clear on learning how to use a command before using it
[11:52] <pike_> gb521: at bottom of file there will be several entries starting with title   something
[11:52] <Gumby> deadly_venom: I already said what I suggest doing.
[11:52] <gb521> ok, i got it.  just to be sure, i have 5 ubuntus (i think 2 were created when i did the initial update when running it for the first time)
[11:52] <deadly_venom> Gumby can't i run fsck in rescue mode? (Which i did, and it said clean.)
[11:53] <Gumby> deadly_venom: apt does not cause IO errors on hard drive.  I can guarantee that much.
[11:53] <rh9master> deadly_venom, you have to mount it first
[11:53] <tim57> crewer: do you mean mirror or repository?
[11:53] <pike_> gb521: so if 6 entries total and windows is last it would be default   5
[11:54] <anon32> "free flash player, supports up to flash 4" - um... doesn't that basically mean it has absolutely no flash support?
[11:54] <crewer> tim57: Well.. when i do apt-cache search php5, I can't find anyting..
[11:54] <crewer> nothing about php5 at all
[11:55] <gan|y|med> tim57: what do you mean by "unDRM" them. how should i do this?
[11:55] <anon32> help - the free flash plugin sucks ass and the macromedia one has hideous bugs... is there a third one?
[11:55] <micahcowan> crewer, what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[11:56] <gb521> thanks a lot pike
[11:56] <crewer> micahcowan: 5.04 i think.
[11:56] <THX-1138> !language
[11:56] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:56] <micahcowan> crewer, ah. Newer packages are generally not backported to older distributions :/
[11:56] <micahcowan> THX-1138, ???
[11:56] <tim57> gan|y|med: there is a tool out there called: FairUse4WM
[11:57] <crewer> micahcowan: Guh. :|
[11:57] <tim57> that will help you, but I guess it is Win32 so you need at least Wine or a working Windows copy
[11:57] <tim57> @crewer: Do a compile yourself
[11:57] <anon32> help - the free flash plugin sucks ass and the macromedia one has hideous bugs... is there a third one?
[11:57] <gan|y|med> tim57: thx
[11:58] <tim57> It's relativly simple and there are tons of tutorials out there
[11:58] <Overand> anon32: WINE with windows firefox and windows flash- i dont' suggest that.
[11:58] <crewer> tim57: I think i install 6.06 instead
[11:58] <anon32> Overand, :-(((((
[11:58] <micahcowan> crewer: if you look for it, you may be able to find unofficial .deb's for your flavor of Ubuntu; or, you might try compiling from the source packages.
[11:58] <tim57> gan|y|med: I hope it works for you
[11:58] <THX-1138> c'mon anon32 - we got ya the first time.
[11:58] <Overand> anon32: macromedia is going to have a new flash plugin for linux out soon, actually.
[11:58] <micahcowan> crewer, but yeah, if upgrading to 6.06 works for you, I'd probably recommend that anyway.
[11:58] <anon32> THX-1138, no you didn't
[11:58] <Overand> so just sit tight.
[11:58] <jesse__> dumb question, but when I upgrade from hoary to breezy, will my 3rd party hoary aps (vlc, Nerolinux, amule etc) survive?)
[11:58] <THX-1138> lool
[11:58] <tim57> crewer: If you have that option
[11:59] <anon32> Overand, define "soon" - it's probably gonna get canceled
[11:59] <Overand> ... cancelled?
[11:59] <crewer> tim57: It's just more work. I have to go to the servercenter to do a reinstall. :-P
[11:59] <Beamoo> hey all
[11:59] <Overand> anon32: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/
[11:59] <anon32> Overand, yea.... companies have sooooooooo much reason to develop for linux (sarcasm)
[11:59] <anon32> again... probably gonna be canceled
[12:00] <Beamoo> is it possible to run ubunut/xubuntu on a computer with 64 mb ram ?
[12:00] <iamtheric> terminal
[12:00] <iamtheric> but not x
[12:00] <anon32> hmm.... google reveals something called "gnash" - can I get it off of apt?
[12:00] <method|>  i have this usb sound card (maya44usb) and linux recognizes it and I can select it in kmix. How do i make linkux output to this soundcard instead of my internal one?
[12:00] <Overand> anon32: yeah, the fact that there's an active development blog on adobe.com suggesting they're near beta, and that they've shown public demos, and that they've released linux versions in the past REALLY tends to indicate that.
[12:00] <chris12349> I'm having some issues with registered vars in classes, here is the function which works fine out side the class   http://pastebin.ca/200025
[12:01] <ehj20> anon32: apt-cache search?
[12:01] <Overand> anon32: adobe/macromedia may be slow, but they're not stupid.  They know that the current flash for linux is mediocre
[12:01] <thomasmckay> hi guys, i'm having problems getting fglrx to run. I've set it up many times before, so i'm wondering if there is something wrong with the drivers right now.
[12:01] <anon32> Overand, well, sorry if I was just a little suspicious
[12:01] <chris12349> oops wrong channel :)
[12:01] <variant> looks like hans reiser has written his last file systemthen :/ he been arrested on suspicioin of murder now!


[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:55] <AssTractionHero> Hello.
[12:56] <AssTractionHero> Errr, moving to offtopic. Wrong tab.
[21:42] <ElectricDuck> Hey all. Am running dual-boot Kubuntu 22.04 on Asus ROG Strix G533 and looking for a good Logitech wireless mouse to go with it. Appreciate responses for those running similar setup
[21:44] <ElectricDuck> Looking, cause I'm running into an issue with spurious mouse clicks and windows popping up when using Kubuntu
[21:53] <ElectricDuck> .
[22:09] <ElectricDuck> Any idea why kubuntuforums.net admin has disabled registration?


[12:22] <samba35> i am using lts 18.04 with 2 guest and i want to monitor cpu ,disk ,network using of guest from host
[12:23] <samba35> which app i should use ?
[12:47] <uzee> Hi, this might be early for North American folks but maybe someone from EMEA is here too. I'm just trying to understand the new autoinstall to replace our existing deployment mechanism. But it doesn't tell me where do I enter the boot parameters to read the autoinstall yaml file from my remote server??
[12:49] <ogra> uzee, there should be documentation on discourse.ubuntu.com i think
[13:12] <uzee> ogra: Thanks, I'm looking through it, some of the pages did come up when I had searched earlier, but nothing specifically answered my question sadly :(
[13:17] <uzee> My issue is that the ubuntu 22 live installer doesn't give me a tab or f6 option to supply my autoinstall params, I tried 'e' to edit and add autoinstall after the vmlinuz and initrd line, but it just says autoinstall not found...
[14:42] <frickler> uzee: if you manually edit the grub cmdline, you need to escape the ";" in the ds string with \
[14:43] <frickler> otherwise everything after it will be interpreted as comment
[17:17] <rbasak> lvoytek: o/ I heard you were blocked on dnsmasq? I thought I'd take a look. It all looks good except that I don't understand the test case.
[17:18] <rbasak> I have 40 minutes left of my day. I'm not sure if it's worth going into, or will sergiodj be able to look instead?
[17:27] <lvoytek> rbasak: Yeah its a bit of an endeavor to get into. The overall point of the test case it to show that when a DNS request gets denied a first time by a DNS server, but should be accepted when sent correctly, that a duplicate request sent by the client is not denied immediately again before it attempts to go through.
[17:32] <rbasak> lvoytek: I was confused by the use of ping for DNS testing. Can I suggest using dig or "getent hosts" instead?
[17:33] <rbasak> Because ping is continuous, but I think the DNS request only happens once (but am not sure) and that makes things a bit unclear.
[17:34] <lvoytek> sure, I'll update it and make sure it works consistently
[17:34] <rbasak> Thanks. I'm not saying the use of ping is wrong, just that it's harder to follow what's going on.


[00:06] <mruffell> does anyone know why the default kvm eumlator on focal is /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 directly, and not /usr/bin/kvm-spice?
[03:54] <mruffell> I filed a bug for the above ^^ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1868029
[06:11] <cpaelzer> mruffell: answered on the bug, TL;DR the change is intentional
[10:54] <cpaelzer> doko: is there a place with e.g. upstream builds of all gcc minor releases or something like it?
[10:54] <cpaelzer> doko: I might want to "bisect" through those a bit, and having soem pre-built would help
[10:57] <doko> cpaelzer: no, ubuntu-toolchain-r ppa/test has some
[10:58] <doko> what are you looking for?
[10:58] <cpaelzer> I'm hunting down a qemu issue that turned out to be a seabios issue that turned out to -maybe- be a compiler issue
[10:58] <cpaelzer> TL;DR something after Disco changed and in build environments since then the resulting binary breaks on older Penryn chips
[10:58] <doko> ugh
[10:59] <doko> not the clash-protection stuff that s m b reported?
[11:00] <cpaelzer> a new case for sure, but mabye eventually the same reason
[11:21] <cpaelzer> doko: it is indeed again fcf-protection
[11:33] <cpaelzer> doko: I'll submit a fix to disable it to the seabios project, I'll CC you in case there are any "why is fcf on" questions
[12:29] <tsimonq2> On 2019-10-18 19:40z (152 days 16 hours 32 minutes ago), you uploaded a
[12:29] <tsimonq2> file with French (fr) translations for templates in Ubuntu Focal package
[12:29] <tsimonq2> "lintian" to Launchpad.
[12:29] <tsimonq2> We were unable to import the file because of errors in its format
[12:30] <tsimonq2> Why would I get an email like this?
[12:30] <tsimonq2> I don't have TIL last time I checked.
[12:33] <tsimonq2> Also, hello. I've been fairly absent as of lately.
[12:33] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Note the rather old date; https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lintian/+publishinghistory says you synced 2.28.0 then.  I'm guessing somebody just unstuck a translation approval queue.
[12:34] <tsimonq2> Nice.
[12:35] <tsimonq2> Thanks.
[14:16] <coreycb> hello release team, I'd like to bump python-decorator from 4.3.0 to 4.4.2. new versions of openstacksdk won't work with decorator < 4.4.0. the delta is mostly bug fixes and most of the non-openstack reverse depends are in universe.
[14:32] <ddstreet> cjwatson quick q, i have a build recipe in LP, but the resulting source package in the ppa is not signed...is there a way to get LP to sign recipe-built source packages?
[14:33] <cjwatson> No
[14:34] <ddstreet> ok, thnx :)
[14:34] <cjwatson> Almost nothing relies on signatures on source packages anyway
[14:34] <cjwatson> The containing archive is signed
[14:34] <ddstreet> well pull-lp-source does at least try to check them
[14:34] <ddstreet> but yeah, it's not really useful since lots of src pkgs are signed by keys that aren't in the debian keyring
[16:24] <seb128> sil2100, hey, could we have langpacks rolled for focal? looks we have none since the start of the cycle?
[16:27] <cjwatson> It's possible we never got the crontab set up.  I think I was waiting for some kind of confirmation before doing that
[16:28] <cjwatson> Indeed, looks like it
[16:28] <cjwatson> In the short term this is our (LP's) problem not sil2100's
[16:38] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks, I'm going to ask on #launchpad
[16:39] <cjwatson> seb128: Well I just made progress on it so ...
[16:39] <seb128> cjwatson, k, thanks
[16:49] <sil2100> Yeah, sorry about that, GunnarHj pinged me about it a while ago but I was deep in other stuff
[16:52] <sil2100> cjwatson, seb128: so is the first translation export running right now? Or is there something else we still need to do before that can happen?
[16:53] <cjwatson> sil2100: Could you apply https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/langpack-o-matic/focal/+merge/380897 ?
[16:53] <cjwatson> And then it should be sorted out automatically next week
[16:53] <cjwatson> It isn't running right now - I was going to leave it to cron
[16:53] <cjwatson> Can run it if it's more urgent than that though, I guess
[16:54] <sil2100> cjwatson: when is the focal export planned? I usually do the first full base packs manually, so I can do those whenever we get the export
[16:55]  * sil2100 checks the Full language pack export checkbox
[16:55] <sil2100> It's not urgent or anything
[16:56] <seb128> urgent it's not, but it would be useful to be able to test whether strings are translatable/translated
[16:56] <seb128> if it's not too expensive to kick an export now it would be nice still
[16:56] <seb128> we are not that far from beta
[16:57] <GunnarHj> Agree with seb128 here. There av dozens of translators out there who would like to check the result of their work.
[16:57] <cjwatson> If I do nothing it'd be Tuesday
[16:57] <cjwatson> I'll go and request one
[16:58] <sil2100> cjwatson: thank you! In that case I'll create the first base packs tomorrow
[16:58] <sil2100> GunnarHj: ^
[16:58] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks
[16:58] <seb128> hey GunnarHj :)
[16:58] <sil2100> GunnarHj: (sorry it took so long, it's a bit crazy again)
[16:59] <GunnarHj> sil2100: Np. I understand about priorities.
[17:00] <cjwatson> Dropped ball here I think.  I think I missed https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations-coordinators/msg11353.html
[17:00] <cjwatson> Ah, because it wasn't CCed to me
[17:01] <cjwatson> So the state machine I was running hung
[17:01] <cjwatson> Export is running now on the LP side; should take a few hours.
[17:03] <GunnarHj> sil2100: Btw, good if you keep bug #1864680 in mind.
[17:08] <seb128> sil2100, btw I updated the proposed migration mp with the import a new line
[17:50] <sil2100> GunnarHj: will do!
[17:50] <sil2100> cjwatson: thank you!
[17:50] <sil2100> seb128: thanks, looking o/
[18:04] <xevious> bryce: Do you have a link that shows the build status for the PHP 7.4 packages? I only see php-text-captcha (its status says it's waiting on php-numbers-words) on the build failures link in the topic.
[18:32] <ahasenack> kanashiro: this is the only red remaining for gem2deb, I found the right combination of triggers for the ruby-commander reds and those will clear next round
[18:32] <ahasenack> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/r/ruby-activeldap/focal/armhf
[18:32] <ahasenack> kanashiro: any idea? ^
[18:33] <ahasenack> it passed with gem2deb/1.0.5, but failed with gem2deb/1.0.5ubuntu1
[18:34] <ahasenack> 1second diff
 expected but was

[18:34] <kanashiro> ahasenack, it might be an issue just in armhf because of timing
[18:34] <kanashiro> yes, just checked this failure log
[18:34] <ahasenack> let me retry it
[18:35] <ahasenack> thanks
[18:45] <ahasenack> doko: hi, if you are still around, about one paragraph in the bind9.16.1 release notes here: https://downloads.isc.org/isc/bind9/9.16.1/RELEASE-NOTES-bind-9.16.1.html
[18:45] <ahasenack> " Feature Changes"
[18:45] <ahasenack> about pthread-rwlock
[18:46] <ahasenack> bind is switching from their own implementation (?) to the glibc one
[18:46] <ahasenack> "The system-provided POSIX Threads read-write lock implementation is now used by default instead of the native BIND 9 implementation"
[18:46] <ahasenack> any comment about that? Should we follow this upstream change, or disable it? Note the bug they mention affects only bionic
[19:03] <bryce> hi xevious, sorry was in a meeting, yes I have a link one sec
[19:03] <bryce> xevious, what I've been looking at is this page - https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#ubuntu-server
[19:04] <bryce> under ubuntu-server, the php-defaults bullet lists the php-horde regressions, with links to logs
[19:05] <bryce> I'm going to send an email to the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mailing list with a longer list of packages and what I noticed in a cursory look
[19:14] <GunnarHj> Hi vorlon, sorry to bother you again about this, but d-i has been built after your latest upload of gfxboot-theme-ubuntu, and still no tg language in the isolinux menu (checked today's daily build).
[19:19] <ahasenack> kanashiro: passed on a simple retry: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/r/ruby-activeldap/focal/armhf
[19:19] <ahasenack> good
[19:19] <ahasenack> gem2deb will migrate in the next run then, or the one after
[19:20] <kanashiro> ahasenack, good :)
[19:20] <xevious> bryce: Have you already sent that? If not, let me subscribe first.
[19:25] <bryce> xevious, sorry not yet, got caught up in some followup meeting notes
[19:27] <xevious> No worries. I'm not going to be able to really look into this until tomorrow, anyway. I subscribed to the mailing list, so I'll keep an eye out for your post.
[19:27] <bryce> xevious, great!
[19:38] <doko> ahasenack: hmm, where should that be added?
[19:38] <pgnd> juliank: to your comment in convo with hggdh re: grub update 'vs' continuation lines, specifically:
 So they made a change in their files between those and that blew up after the upgrade
[19:38] <ahasenack> doko: it's a new default in bind9.16.1's ./configure, i.e., without doing anything, we get the changed behavior
[19:38] <pgnd> nope.  no changes for a loong time.
[19:39] <ahasenack> if we want to revert to how 9.16.0 is, we have to now pass --disable-pthread-rwlock to ./configure
[19:39] <ahasenack> focal has 9.16.0
[19:39] <ahasenack> my intention is to update to 9.16.1
[19:39] <doko> why do you tell me that?
[19:39] <ahasenack> doko: because you know glibc
[19:39] <ahasenack> and I wanted your opinion on this feature
[19:39] <doko> ahh, looking at Fedora ...
[19:40] <ahasenack> doko: we also have a bug in bionic's glibc when using pthread-rwlock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1864864
[19:42] <doko> ahasenack: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/bind/blob/master/f/bind.spec  I don't see it disabled there
[19:43] <ahasenack> doko: checking. Is that for 9.16.1?
[19:43] <ahasenack> that was released today
[19:43] <ahasenack> doko: that's 9.11?
[19:43] <doko> yes
[19:43] <ahasenack> irrelevant for 9.11
[19:52] <rafaeldtinoco> ivoks: ping. I see you are an admin for ubunt-ha community but it appears to be inactive since ~2010 or so. I'm doing the maintenance of all HA related packages and going through bugs and all, would u mind closing that group and/or pointing to "ubuntu-server-ha" group ? <- we're using that group to track ubuntu-ha related stuff
[20:09] <coreycb> vorlon: hi, if you're avail, I would like to get release team permission to bump python-decorator from 4.3.0 to 4.4.2 in focal
[20:12] <tjaalton> LocutusOfBorg: hi, do you have an idea why building mesa with llvm-10 fails with "undefined reference to `getPollyPluginInfo()"? Wondering if it's a packaging bug, before I go complain upstream..
[20:16] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton, let me sync llvm-toolchain-10-rc5 with the fix hopefully
[20:16] <LocutusOfBorg> otherwise I'll fix it
[20:16] <LocutusOfBorg> can you please check debian/sid in the meanwhile?
[20:16] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm speaking about https://reviews.llvm.org/D74464
[20:22] <tjaalton> is rc5 in sid?
[20:24] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton, not yet built
[20:24] <LocutusOfBorg> but I checked, no patch there, so I'm uploading it to focal
[20:25] <tjaalton> ok, cool
[20:29] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton, here you go https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-10/1:10.0.0~+rc5-1ubuntu1
[20:30] <LocutusOfBorg> please report back when you can, so I upload in debian too
[20:32] <tjaalton> LocutusOfBorg: it probably takes some hours to build?-)
[20:32] <LocutusOfBorg> yep
[20:33] <LocutusOfBorg> ~5h
[20:33] <tjaalton> I didn't realize they use github now for issues
[20:43] <LocutusOfBorg> fortunately yes!
[20:52] <ahasenack> if a debian package has no d/gbp.conf, nor d/README.source, how can I tell what rules were applied to prepare its dfsg orig tarball?
[20:53] <ahasenack> d/watch has just the +dfsg mangling
[21:12] <ginggs> ahasenack: maybe Files-Excluded in d/copyright?
[21:12] <ahasenack> ginggs: oh, there is a hint
[21:12] <ahasenack> Files-Excluded: docs/doxygen
[21:12] <ahasenack> thanks, I'll try that
[21:17] <ahasenack> kanashiro: gem2deb is a valid candidate!
[21:17] <ahasenack> kanashiro: and has in fact migrated already: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gem2deb
[21:18] <kanashiro> ahasenack, \o/