[00:00] <shadeslayer> mamarley: but then if you use the "Report bug" button via an application it usually tells bugzilla the version number
[00:00] <shadeslayer> same goes for DrKonqi
[00:01] <mamarley> Another reason to see the version number: Maybe if the latest version isn't in the repository, I will go download a binary directly from the developer instead.
[00:14] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Dropping the version column is like shooting oneself in the feet
[00:15] <Quintasan> Any important reasons why we DON'T want it?
[00:54] <valorie> oops, paste=past above
[02:07] <ahoneybun> so 16:05 UTC is 11am in EST?
[02:08] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[02:13] <ahoneybun> lordievader: hey
[07:46] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1251140] KDE "display settings" control panel module displays empty window @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251140 (by kolen)
[08:48] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1251140] KDE "display settings" control panel module displays empty window @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251140 (by kolen)
[09:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, ScottK, Riddell: if I sysadmin a system I want to know what is being updated and why etc. if I am a cautious user I'd want to know all the more
[09:16] <apachelogger> generally speaking removing features to not have to fix bugs is a gnome mantra btw :P
[09:18] <apachelogger> ALSO as I pointed out time again to me it is confusing that muon-updater is used in combination with discover... -updater was created with a very techy target audience in mind (i.e. IIRC it was built together with muon which really targets the rather advanced user), so to me it seems odd that a techy updater would be used with a very !techy installer given that latter could just as well handle updates
[09:23] <Riddell> adding updates to discover would be the best thing to do
[09:59] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1251178] qdbus: could not exec '/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qdbus': No such file or directory @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251178 (by Mechanical snail)
[10:32] <parad1se> Riddell: Hi, I will able to test it to day.
[10:33] <Riddell> parad1se: great
[10:43] <parad1se> Riddell: :) thumbs up
[11:04] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1251178] qdbus and qdbusviewer crash with "No such file or directory" @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251178 (by Mechanical snail)
[11:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:47] <soee> hi BluesKaj
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Hi soee
[11:54] <jussi> apachelogger: I think we need to make a "Commander Keen Linux" :D
[11:57] <apachelogger> jussi: I totally didn't get that :O
[12:18] <shadeslayer> http://anonscm.debian.org/ is down? :(
[12:19] <Peace-> btw i have tried archlinux with kde ... omg what a  bip
[12:20] <shadeslayer> bip
[12:20] <shadeslayer> An acronym for benzoylmethylecgonine (cocaine) originated by private school kids in the Chelsea district of New York City in late 2009
[12:20] <Peace-> LOL
[12:20]  * Peace- wrong chat
[12:20] <shadeslayer> No wonder they symlinked /usr/bin/python to python3
[12:21] <shadeslayer> Peace-: so what exactly does bip mean? :)
[12:21] <shadeslayer> in this context
[12:21] <Peace-> shit :D
[12:21] <shadeslayer> aha
[12:21] <shadeslayer> People keep raving about it in the office
[12:21] <shadeslayer> I have yet to try it
[12:22] <Peace-> shadeslayer: you have not an installer
[12:22] <Peace-> everything from terminal
[12:22] <shadeslayer> yep
[12:22] <Peace-> before there was ncurses installer
[12:22] <Peace-> now nothing
[12:22] <Peace-> you need to use fdisk ect
[12:22] <Peace-> basically you need to do everything locale ect etc
[12:23] <Peace-> and for me there is nothing that adds to kubuntu
[12:23] <Peace-> the only thing you could say it is better it's the installation process , i mean of the packages
[12:24] <Peace-> that it's faster
[12:24] <Peace-> for me kubuntu >> archlinux +kde
[12:25] <shadeslayer> well faster is relative
[12:26] <shadeslayer> their packagemanagement is much more 'simpler' which is why it's 'faster'
[12:26] <shadeslayer> dpkg is so much more complex with it's various states and what not
[12:26] <Peace-> when you do pacman -S vlc for example
[12:26] <shadeslayer> I don't think pacman / yaourt / whatever has that
[12:26] <Peace-> it's faster than sudo apt-get install vlc
[12:26] <Peace-> but i mean i have an i7 ....
[12:26] <Peace-> so :D
[12:27] <shadeslayer> right, except that it's faster because it's just unpacking binaries onto disk :)
[12:27] <Peace-> infact
[12:27] <shadeslayer> doesn't do anything else afaik
[12:27] <apachelogger> that's what dpkg does
[12:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but then dpkg also does things like prerm, preinst , etc etc for each package no?
[12:27] <apachelogger> the only difference there is dpkg syncs each file
[12:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there are none for pvlc
[12:28] <shadeslayer> I see
[12:28] <shadeslayer> ( also, he was talking about vlc )
[12:28] <apachelogger> s/p/
[12:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: arch's vlc actually does more than ours postinstall
[12:29] <apachelogger> regenerates the entire plugin cache
[12:29] <shadeslayer> oh?
[12:29] <apachelogger> or so MS said
[12:29] <shadeslayer> o_o
[12:29] <apachelogger> apt-get install vlc and pacman -S vlc are almost exclusively IO bound
[12:31] <apachelogger> if you do both on a barbones system with only kernel and udev and whatever rubbish the system may need to run the I'd believe that apt-get is slower because it has more sophisticated package relationsships to consider when resolving the dep tree
[12:33] <apachelogger> ^ still not much btw
[12:34] <apachelogger> only the rpm thing is noticble slower :P
[12:34] <apachelogger> although I hear that has changed as well
[12:34] <apachelogger> so everything is fast
[12:34] <apachelogger> any observation in different fastness is either perceptional or I/O
[12:34] <apachelogger> ^ disk and net I/O
[12:35] <shadeslayer> though pacman does have the nice feature of parallel downloads
[12:38] <apachelogger> that only makes a difference if a server is slow :P
[12:38] <apachelogger> but what I just thought of, ubuntu uses a differen disk I/O scheduler
[12:38] <apachelogger> so that may make a difference on a HDD
[12:38] <apachelogger> on SSD it will definitely faster tho :P
[12:40] <mamarley> Just about everything is faster with an SSD, besides Eclipse.  Eclipse is a gigantic pig, as usual.
[12:41] <apachelogger> nah
[12:42] <apachelogger> I mean pacman on stock arch vs. dpgk on stock kubuntu, dpkg I/O will outschedule pacman
[12:42] <apachelogger> because our default scheduler supposedly works more to the advantage of SSD
[12:55]  * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/11/14/barcelona-kde-frameworks-dragons-and-kde-allotment
[12:56] <apachelogger> wee
[13:01] <Riddell> Mamarok: I'm not sure what you want with the link to g+ on kubuntu.org, it's just a link isn't it?
[13:04] <Mamarok> they ask us to confirm the website is ours, else the profile is not complete
[13:05] <Riddell> Mamarok: who do?
[13:05] <Riddell> where?
[13:05] <Riddell> Mamarok: hmm I see
[13:05] <Mamarok> see my first mail
[13:05] <Riddell> "By adding a short line of code to http://www.kubuntu.org/community, you can make your Google+ page eligible to show up on the right hand side of the Google search page for relevant queries"
[13:06] <Riddell> Mamarok: do you want to do that or shall I?
[13:07] <Mamarok> I have no access to the website, that's why I sent the mail
[13:08] <Riddell> update done
[13:08] <Riddell> you can always ask for access to the website
[13:09] <Mamarok> oh well, I have enough on my plate right now, I might later
[13:09] <Mamarok> but thanks for teh poffer :)
[13:09] <Mamarok> the offer*
[13:09] <Mamarok> sorry, not my typing day :)
[13:28] <apachelogger> yofel: https://trello.com/c/u3O0f0tY
[13:29] <yofel> this is like too freaking fast -.-
[13:29] <yofel> and I have barely any time to do anything.
[13:29] <yofel> shadeslayer: where did you get with beta1?
[13:33] <Peace-> i love apachelogger images
[13:33] <Peace-> they are crazy , i like crazy people
[13:35] <apachelogger> yofel: too fast indeed, I shall schedule help for b3
[13:36] <yofel> \o/
[13:38] <Riddell> https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-munich
[15:24] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:25] <Riddell> hi lordievader
[15:26] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you doing today?
[15:28] <Riddell> feeling good thanks lordievader
[16:33] <shadeslayer> ughhh
[16:34] <Riddell> ?
[16:34]  * ovidiu-florin thinks shadeslayer hit himself with a bug
[16:34] <shadeslayer> no
[16:34] <shadeslayer> I did not remove kde-workspace-dev from kdesc-dev-latest-trusty.txt
[16:35] <shadeslayer> so now things are waiting on kde-workspace-dev >= 4.11.80
[16:35] <Riddell> boom
[16:35] <shadeslayer> which will never happen
[16:35] <Riddell> I just make a copy of the .txt and remove the packages that are already done and start again
[16:36] <shadeslayer> yeah, I need to do a complete rebuild once I fix everything
[16:36]  * shadeslayer is tired of doing 4.12 alone
[16:38] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: package building?
[16:38] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:38] <shadeslayer> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.80_trusty.html
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> teach me how and I'll help
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> I've started reading on debian packaging
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> from the debian wiki
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> but that might take some time
[16:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ plz give him access to Ninjas
[16:39]  * Riddell looks
[16:40] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: plz branch kubuntu-autmation from wherever it lives
[16:40] <Riddell> "Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan (ovidiub13) has been added as a member of this team."
[16:40] <shadeslayer> lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation I think
[16:41] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: do you have a pbuilder setup?
[16:41] <Riddell> hmm we need to update lintian on that server, too many "bad-distribution-in-changes-file trusty"
[16:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I think that's the lintian from the build server
[16:41] <shadeslayer> so lintian in trusty needs to be updated
[16:43]  * Riddell updates ./vendors/ubuntu/main/data/changes-file/known-dists
[16:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh yeah
[16:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well it can be added as an ignore in kubuntu-automation
[16:44] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:49] <ovidiu-florin> did I miss something?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: not really
[16:49] <shadeslayer> anyway
[16:50] <ovidiu-florin> was anything said after Riddell looks?
[16:50] <shadeslayer> ah
 ovidiu-florin: plz branch kubuntu-autmation from wherever it lives
 lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation I think
[16:50] <shadeslayer> and you've been added to http://pad.lv/~kubuntu-ninjas
[16:50] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: which means you can open <shadeslayer> lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation I think
[16:50] <shadeslayer> erm
[16:51] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/5222594/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.kdepim_4%3A4.11.80-0ubuntu1%7Eubuntu14.04%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: ^^ can you open that link?
[16:53] <ovidiu-florin> No Such Resource
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: don't use Chrome :P
[16:53] <ovidiu-florin> oh
[16:53] <ovidiu-florin> why?
[16:53] <shadeslayer> chrome is bugged
[16:54] <shadeslayer> I use FF
[16:54] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[16:54] <ovidiu-florin> I see it now
[16:54] <ovidiu-florin> what am I looking at?
[16:54] <apachelogger> actually launchpad is bugged
[16:54] <shadeslayer> cool, see the end of the log where it says QJSON not found
[16:54] <apachelogger> btw
[16:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well, either way, one of those is bugged :D
[16:55] <apachelogger> IIRC rekonq also has problems
[16:55] <apachelogger> that being said only firefox works
[16:55] <apachelogger> and they only support firefox
[16:55] <apachelogger> ...
[16:55] <shadeslayer> really? I thought it worked in rekonq, but *shrug*
[16:55] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: do you see that error?
[16:55] <shadeslayer> hurray
[16:56] <shadeslayer> 4.12.90 tagged and tar'd
[16:56] <shadeslayer> and I'm not even done with 4.12.80
[16:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell has put on sleepy music and I'm sleepy now
[16:58] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: I see the error
[16:59] <ovidiu-florin> what should I do about it?
[16:59] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: cool, so basically, kdepim has a new build-dep on libqjson-dev, do you have kubuntu-automation branched?
[16:59] <ovidiu-florin> no.
[16:59] <shadeslayer> plz branch kubuntu-autmation then
[17:00] <shadeslayer> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[17:00] <Riddell> 4.12 beta 2 tars now up!
[17:00] <shadeslayer> yeah I know :(
[17:00] <shadeslayer> I want to finish https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas first
[17:00] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know what that is
[17:00] <ovidiu-florin> :(
[17:00] <shadeslayer> so that atleast with 4.12.90 no package is left behind
[17:01] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: it's a branch with our automation tools, just run bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation in  a terminal
[17:02] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[17:02] <ovidiu-florin> I have to change location. I'll be back in a few minutes
[17:02] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:38] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: should I do this in a virtual machine?
[17:39] <shadeslayer> nope
[17:39] <shadeslayer> just need a pbuilder
[17:39] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: put http://paste.kde.org/p93dd9d8d in ~/.pbuilderrc
[17:40] <shadeslayer> then do : bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks/ .pbuilder-hooks
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> should I read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto first?
[17:40] <shadeslayer> then do : sudo -E DIST=trusty pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: yep, reading that gives you a good idea
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[17:40] <shadeslayer> but that can be done later on as well :)
[17:55] <ovidiu-florin> what does sudo -E DIST=trusty pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd do?
[17:56] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: ^
[17:56] <shadeslayer> it will create a chroot that is tar'd and saved for future use
[17:56] <shadeslayer> so that you can use it to build packages
[17:56] <shadeslayer> it mimics the build daemon on Launchpad
[17:57] <shadeslayer> but locally, so you can test build packages before uploading
[17:57] <ovidiu-florin> where locally will it store it?
[18:02] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: ^
[18:02] <ovidiu-florin> done
[18:02] <shadeslayer> /var/cache/pbuilder/trusty-amd64
[18:02] <shadeslayer> erm
[18:02] <shadeslayer> just /var/cache/pbuilder actually
[18:03] <ovidiu-florin> yeah
[18:03] <ovidiu-florin> I have some stuff in there
[18:04] <shadeslayer> cool
[18:04] <shadeslayer> now, kdepim has alot more problems
[18:04] <shadeslayer> so lemme check for something simpler
[18:04] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[18:05] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: okay so, open https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/5215582/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.knavalbattle_4%3A4.11.80-0ubuntu1%7Eubuntu14.04%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:05] <shadeslayer> you can see at the end it fails because it can't find a file to install
[18:06] <ovidiu-florin> kbattleship
[18:06] <shadeslayer> presumably because it's been renamed to knavalbattle instead of kbattleship
[18:06] <shadeslayer> ( see preceeding lines, the ones starting with Installing: )
[18:06] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: with me so far?
[18:06] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[18:07] <shadeslayer> cool, did you branch kubuntu-automation?
[18:07] <ovidiu-florin> I ran the 2 commands you've sent me
[18:07] <ovidiu-florin> but I'm not sure what the first one did
[18:07] <shadeslayer> alright, plz cd into the kubuntu-automation dir
[18:09] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[18:09] <shadeslayer> there? now run this command : export PATH=$PWD:$PATH
[18:10] <shadeslayer> we're adding the kubuntu-automation tools to our path so that we can use them without having to type ./whatever everytime :)
[18:10] <shadeslayer> oh hmm, you probably also don't have kubuntu-dev-tools
[18:10] <ovidiu-florin> I understood the PATH part
[18:10] <ovidiu-florin> no I don't
[18:11] <ovidiu-florin> bzr again?
[18:11] <shadeslayer> bzr branch lp:kubuntu-dev-tools
[18:11] <shadeslayer> then : cd kubuntu-dev-tools
[18:11] <shadeslayer> then : sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools
[18:11] <shadeslayer> ping me once that's done ^^
[18:15] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: done. will you still be able to teach in a couple of hours? I just got some guests that I have to attend to.
[18:15] <shadeslayer> not really no
[18:15] <ovidiu-florin> :(
[18:15] <shadeslayer> I'm going to leave within the hour I think
[18:15] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: we can continue tomorrow :)
[18:15] <ovidiu-florin> then, can you please levea me here some instructions to follow?
[18:16] <shadeslayer> okay
[18:16] <ovidiu-florin> and I'll catch up with some reading untill tomorrow
[18:16] <ovidiu-florin> thanks
[18:24] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6417142/
[18:55] <parad1se_> Riddell: My result with proposes repo and kde-runtime: http://pastebin.com/VrKw67Ns
[18:55] <parad1se_> proposed
[18:55] <shadeslayer> parad1se_: would be nice to have it in english :)
[18:55] <shadeslayer> I think you want sudo -E LANG=C or sth like that
[18:56] <shadeslayer> then followed by the command
[18:56] <parad1se_> OK, wait I try to remove it and install again. ^^
[18:56] <Riddell> parad1se_: that's fine
[18:57] <Riddell> parad1se_: this is testing the samba patch?
[18:57]  * shadeslayer would like to jump off a building after looking at kdepim
[18:57]  * jalcine coaxes shadeslayer to stay with a ton of cake
[18:58] <shadeslayer> mmm cake
[18:58] <Riddell> parad1se_: just comment you tested the packages from -proposed and they work on bug 1071453
[19:00] <jalcine> shadeslayer: what's daunting about it, though?
[19:00]  * jalcine looks for an opporunity to assist.
[19:00] <shadeslayer> jalcine: too many new files, too many things broken in 4.12.80
[19:00] <shadeslayer> my head hurts
[19:01] <Riddell> jalcine: ooh want to help out packaging?
[19:01] <shadeslayer> ^^
[19:01] <jalcine> Riddell: sure
[19:01] <Riddell> jalcine: know anything about it or starting from scratch?
[19:02] <jalcine> I've made a few packages by hand.
[19:02] <jalcine> Bit more of a dh_make-r kind of guy.
[19:02] <jalcine> so intermediacy.
[19:02] <Riddell> that's the best way to do new packages
[19:03] <Riddell> but here shadeslayer is talking about updating for a new version
[19:04] <jalcine> updating a package would partially deal with an iterative patch, no?
[19:04] <jalcine> the only package I've ever done that for was libxcb so I could get sddm building on Ubuntu
[19:05]  * jalcine looks for link
[19:05] <Riddell> jalcine: want me to take you thought a simple one?
[19:05] <Riddell> jalcine: want me to take you through a simple one?
[19:05] <jalcine> sure
[19:05] <parad1se_> Riddell: Now I got it: http://pastebin.com/cnf29Jzs :)
[19:05] <Riddell> jalcine: here's our status page http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.80_trusty.html
[19:06] <Riddell> parad1se_: ah but do they run successfully?
[19:06] <Riddell> jalcine: konsole looks like an easy one
[19:06] <parad1se_> Riddell: OK.
[19:07] <parad1se_> Riddell: without kde-runtime-dbg, yes, works fine.
[19:07] <Riddell> parad1se_: great, please say so on the bug
[19:08] <parad1se_> parad1se_: ok.
[19:08] <parad1se_> Riddell: ok
[19:08] <jalcine> Riddell: so I'm pulling sources from git or repackaging (apt-get source)?
[19:09] <Riddell> jalcine: bzr and repackaging :)
[19:09] <jalcine> alrighty
[19:09] <Riddell> jalcine: I just /msged you the sources.list line
[19:09] <Riddell> you can add just the deb-src one for now, it's not yet ready to install I guess
[19:09] <Riddell> then apt-get source konsole so you'll get the 4.11.80 package
[19:11] <jalcine> sweet, I'm on it
[19:13] <Riddell> jalcine: do you see what needs done?
[19:14] <jalcine> still pulling sources now but just ensuring that the deb package builds with the new sources
[19:14] <Riddell> it might well need kdelibs from ninjas to build
[19:17] <jalcine> hm, so I'd have to wait for kdelibs to build
[19:17] <jalcine> looks like from the status page it just started
[19:17] <Riddell> jalcine: there will already be packages
[19:17] <Riddell> jalcine: but also you don't need to compile konsole locally, you can just fix the packaging and upload to kubuntu-ninjas PPA
[19:17] <jalcine> ah, yeah, just saw it, spoke too soon haha
[19:18] <jalcine> alrighty
[19:20] <jalcine> right, so I'm glancing at the packaging; is it the versioning that's off and I would have to fix? or I'm missing it?
[19:21] <Riddell> jalcine: look in http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.80_trusty.html
[19:21] <jalcine> the changelog goes from 11.2 to 11.80
[19:21] <Riddell> jalcine: that's fine, 4.11.80 is the beta of 4.12
[19:21] <Riddell> that's the versioning used by upstreanm
[19:21] <Riddell> jalcine: on the build status page look at konsole, it's red!
[19:21] <jalcine> ahhh for i386
[19:21] <Riddell> click show/hide and it'll show you why
[19:22] <jalcine> gotcha
[19:22] <Riddell> jalcine: a missing file!
[19:22] <jalcine> Gotcha; updated 'konsole.install'
[19:23] <Riddell> jalcine: lovely, add a changelog entry if you want to claim the glory and send me the new source package
[19:23] <jalcine> on it
[19:24] <jalcine> dch -i would be the safest way
[19:24] <yofel> no -i
[19:25] <Riddell> right leave out the -i as it already has an entry for this version number
[19:25] <yofel> the new version is already there, just run 'dch' to edit the UNRELEASED entry
[19:25] <shadeslayer> or you know
[19:25] <shadeslayer> dch --release
[19:25] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:25] <jalcine> alrighty
[19:25] <shadeslayer> and then edit to your hearts content
[19:25] <yofel> doesn't -r set the release name?
[19:26] <shadeslayer> I thought it was -d or sth
[19:26] <shadeslayer> no, -d is fromdirname
[19:26] <shadeslayer> -D
[19:27] <shadeslayer> load average: 17,49, 14,17, 9,67
[19:27] <shadeslayer> wheee
[19:27] <yofel> dch got confusing with the new behaviour. Though it's really nice with bzr/git
[19:28] <shadeslayer> dunno, I always used dch --release and -D
[19:28] <shadeslayer> like for the last year
[19:29] <apachelogger> I always use debcommit -R -r
[19:29] <apachelogger> because I'm cool ya know
[19:29] <apachelogger> kubotu: order beer
[19:29]  * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer.
[19:29] <apachelogger> yay
[19:29] <shadeslayer> virtual beer
[19:29] <Riddell> parad1se_: how's it going?
[19:29] <shadeslayer> heh :)
[19:29] <yofel> kubotu: order tea
[19:29]  * kubotu gives yofel a nice hot cup of tea.
[19:29] <yofel> mmmmh :)
[19:29] <apachelogger> gross
[19:30] <shadeslayer> kubotu: order Cacaolat
[19:30]  * kubotu slides cacaolat down the bar to shadeslayer
[19:31] <jalcine> I used dch --release
[19:31] <jalcine> Riddell: how should I send it to you?
[19:31] <jalcine> via IRC? lol
[19:31]  * jalcine notes he didn't sign because pinentry-kwallet is a bit buggy
[19:32] <Riddell> jalcine: you don't need to sign
[19:32] <jalcine> cool
[19:32] <Riddell> jalcine: put on a web server somewhere?
[19:32] <jalcine> alrighty
[19:34] <apachelogger> sometimes internet research can take night forever
[19:34] <apachelogger> yofel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmM4whoTbGc best ontopic reference material I found
[19:36] <yofel> lol
[19:42] <Riddell> jalcine: how are you getting on?
[19:45] <jalcine> Riddell: was going to set up an FTP server to serve files but blergh
[19:45] <shadeslayer> python -m SimpleHTTPServer is your friend
[19:46] <jalcine> \o/
[19:46] <Riddell> jalcine: dropbox or google drive are more fashionable these days :)
[19:46] <Riddell> you could also e-mail them
[19:46] <Riddell> or put on a bug report
[19:46] <shadeslayer> or push to bzr
[19:48] <jalcine> http://jackyalcine.com:8000/
[19:50] <Riddell> jalcine: no .orig ?
[19:51] <jalcine> should be there now
[19:51] <jalcine> I did a konsole_4.11.80-0ubuntu1.* scp
[19:53] <Riddell> jalcine: groovy uploading
[19:53] <Riddell> jalcine: are you set up to commit to bzr on launchpad?
[19:53] <jalcine> yu
[19:53] <shadeslayer> jalcine: handy command : dcmd cp foo.changes
[19:53] <jalcine> *yup
[19:54]  * Riddell coughs as he uploads it to ubuntu by mistake
[19:54] <shadeslayer> noooo :D
[19:54] <shadeslayer> I wonder how that'll play with the scripts
[19:55] <shadeslayer> I also think I have some differing changelogs between bzr and the ninjas ppa
[19:56] <Riddell> jalcine: I added you to ~kubuntu-packagers, please add your change to lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/konsole
[19:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: does the script only bump versions for Build-Deps?
[19:56] <yofel> no
[19:56] <shadeslayer> or does it bump versions on Depends as well
[19:56] <shadeslayer> okay that's a screwy situation then ... lets see what happens
[19:56] <yofel> it does a simple regex replace - I would appreciate something more intelligent ;P
[19:57] <yofel> why?
[19:57] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:57] <jalcine> Riddell: bzr push
[19:57] <jalcine> ?
[19:57] <jalcine> just dblchecking
[19:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: because I uploaded without taking out kde-workspace from the -dev.txt file
[19:57] <shadeslayer> kdeartwork	i386 	logfile 	Dependency wait: kde-workspace-dev >= 4:4.11.80 libkexiv2-dev >= 4:4.11.80
[19:57] <shadeslayer> causing things like ^
[19:57] <Riddell> jalcine: yes assuming you did bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/konsole and have done a commit
[19:57] <yofel> so?
[19:57] <jalcine> cool
[19:57] <yofel> aaaaah
[19:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: and I was wondering if a package has a Depends on kde-runtime
[19:58] <shadeslayer> what happens in that case
[19:58] <shadeslayer> erm
[19:58] <shadeslayer> kde-workspace I mean
[19:58] <shadeslayer> does it get bumped to 4.11.80 as well? because we won't have a 4.12 kde-workspace
[19:58] <snele> guys since latest plasma-nm updates I get non-plasma notification on startup http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2k/5k/46Oqz1Gj/snapshot6.png
[19:58] <snele> is it a known bug?
[19:58] <shadeslayer> not really, trusty seems to be working
[19:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any news from Nim?
[19:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nope but probably about time to go and see what's cooking
[19:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how ready are you to go?
[20:00] <shadeslayer> ready for the last 15 mins :)
[20:00] <shadeslayer> stomach is rumbling :D
[20:00] <yofel> shadeslayer: according to rdepends, only kde-sc-dev-latest depends on it, that might need hardcoding 4.11 instead of the current subst
[20:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok get these catalunians together and we'll go
[20:00] <yofel> s/depends/breaks/
[20:00] <kubotu> yofel meant: "shadeslayer: according to rbreaks, only kde-sc-dev-latest depends on it, that might need hardcoding 4.11 instead of the current subst"
[20:00] <yofel> -.-
[20:01] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:02] <shadeslayer> \o/
[20:02] <shadeslayer> Marble done
[20:02] <shadeslayer> as soon as "We are the Champions" starts playing
[20:03] <Riddell> jalcine: I'm off for food, if you get stuck you can try asking yofel or others, lots more packages to fix now you know how :)
[20:03] <jalcine> I'm about to run for the same in 10
[20:03] <jalcine> but thanks and I'm here for it
[20:03] <Riddell> jalcine: you're welcome back here any time
[20:17] <parad1se_> Riddell: Everything is fine. Iam celebrating the use of samba entry and remember function in dolphin :) Just clicking arround ^^ xD How are you? Results are posted in Bug #1071453.
[20:26] <jalcine> how long does it take for the status page to update?
[20:27] <yofel> it fetches data from launchpad ever 5min. It only shows data for published packages though so new uploads are shown with a delay
[20:55] <soee> 4.11.80 is beta1 ?
[20:55] <soee> or beta2 ?
[20:58] <yofel> soee: ^
[20:58] <yofel> meh, 1
[21:00] <soee> yofel, so why not WIP on beta2 already ? :)
[21:00] <yofel> soee: because something will probably be messed up then. Better to first finish beta1 and have (probably) less work for beta2
[21:00] <soee> ah ok, thank you for info
[21:23] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: are you still here?
[21:29] <ovidiu-florin> can someone please clarifi something to me about kubuntu-dev-tools?
[21:30] <ovidiu-florin> what's the difference between the version installed with apt and the version from lp:kubuntu-dev-tools ?
[21:52] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: if you got the apt version from ppa:bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools, none. Otherwise lp:kubuntu-dev-tools is the development bzr branch
[21:52] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I didn't use any special ppa
[21:52] <ovidiu-florin> just the default repo
[21:53] <yofel> uh, I don't see a version of kubuntu-dev-tools in a recent release
[21:53] <yofel> what does apt-cache policy say?
[21:53] <ovidiu-florin> ah, sorry
[21:54] <ovidiu-florin> I installed ubuntu-dev-tools with apt
[21:54]  * yofel makes a new recipe as bulldog is MIA and his recipe only builds for raring :/
[21:54] <yofel> ah, kubuntu-dev-tools != ubuntu-dev-tools. You generally want both for kubuntu :)
[21:55] <ovidiu-florin> so I guess the kubuntu-dev-tools bring more specific stuff for KDE/Kubuntu and the ubuntu-dev-tools brings the base stuff
[21:55] <ovidiu-florin> right?
[21:55] <yofel> pretty much
[22:03] <yofel> apachelogger: where would you put builds for https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+recipe/kubuntu-dev-tools ? For now I put them in kubuntu-ppa/ppa as they break nothing and are the only packaged version we have. Would it make more sense to make a kubuntu-ninjas/kubuntu-dev-tools though?
[22:04]  * yofel doesn't want to randomly create and delete ppa's
[22:04] <apachelogger> yofel: uhm, dunno, why build it at all? :P
[22:04] <apachelogger> has like 3 dependencies and no actual binaries
[22:05] <yofel> convenience :P
[22:06] <apachelogger> yofel: just keep em in kubuntu-ppa I guess
[22:06] <apachelogger> seems most convenient anyway
[22:06] <apachelogger> (vs having to add another ppa just for the tools)
[22:06] <yofel> ack
[22:06] <apachelogger> because that at point you might as well run dpkg-buildpackage xD
[22:07] <yofel> right..
[22:46] <ovidiu-florin> can anyone please explain the step at line 28 from here http://paste.ubuntu.com/6417142/ ?
[22:46] <ovidiu-florin> I'm not sure what to do
[22:46] <ovidiu-florin> Do I have to get the lines for kubuntu ninjas?
[22:55] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: yes
[23:01] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[23:03] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: for trusty, I guess, right?
[23:03] <apachelogger> yeah
[23:04] <ovidiu-florin> I've added them and then ran apt-get update
[23:04] <ovidiu-florin> and it sayd that it failed to fetch
[23:04] <apachelogger> if you are makign a trusty pbuilder anyway ;)
[23:04] <ovidiu-florin> said*
[23:05] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: then you did something wrong I guess
[23:05] <apachelogger> there definitely are packages for trusty in the ppa
[23:07] <ovidiu-florin> I'll read more about pbuilder and ask shadeslayer tommorow
[23:07] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[23:34] <shadeslayer> bah, I left my power adapter at the office
[23:35] <apachelogger> gj
[23:36] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: install ca-certificates
[23:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: did you get a bot control set up?
[23:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bot control for?
[23:38] <apachelogger> for music
[23:38] <Riddell> no i didn't
[23:38] <shadeslayer> ah, dunno, Riddell was in control of it for most of the time
[23:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you find your power cable?
[23:38] <shadeslayer> I didn't find it at my place
[23:38] <Riddell> i gave you the cable
[23:39] <Riddell> yeh power cable
[23:39] <shadeslayer> no, *power cable*
[23:39] <shadeslayer> for your laptop
[23:39] <Riddell> yeah speaker cable
[23:39] <apachelogger> ur drunk, go to bed :P
[23:40] <Riddell> sorry actually it's nim typing - non posh school= fr less literate
[23:40] <apachelogger> heya xD
[23:40] <shadeslayer> stop covering up the fact that you had too much whiskey at the parteh
[23:40] <shadeslayer> :P
[23:41] <apachelogger> omomg
[23:41] <apachelogger> he spelled it whiskey
[23:41]  * apachelogger waits for fallout
[23:41] <Riddell> i'm frnkly just confused by omomg
[23:41] <Riddell> like wtf
[23:41] <shadeslayer> Whisky
[23:41] <apachelogger> <- also not sober
[23:42] <Riddell> Riddel doesn't think he's drunk
[23:42] <Riddell> that's just british folk loosening up
[23:42] <apachelogger> sounds jolly drunk to me then
[23:42] <shadeslayer> haha
[23:43] <Riddell> no it's really not
[23:44] <Riddell> can still remember where i live and what i'm supposed to be doing
[23:48] <apachelogger> mh, boring


[00:18] <Ponyo> Hi there, I just tried to install a charm and I have an error.  How do I look at the details of the error? http://hastebin.com/apuzupizuf.sm
[00:21] <sarnold> Ponyo: hmm, it seems odd to me that you're in /root but logged in as 'juju' -- are the configs in ~juju/.juju/ or ~root/.juju/ ?
[00:21] <Ponyo> ~juju/.juju
[00:21] <Ponyo> it's just me being lazy
[00:21] <sarnold> ahokay :)
[00:22] <Ponyo> notice juju@juju
[00:22] <Ponyo> only root can read/write /root
[00:49] <lazyPower> Ponyo: when a charme rrors, there's a few options
[00:49] <lazyPower> 1) you can juju debug-log and see if the traceback is in there, but what i find really handy is launching a debug-hooks session.
[00:49] <lazyPower> juju debug-hooks meteor/0
[00:50] <lazyPower> this will open a tmux session attached to the charm - but wont be very interesting
[00:50] <lazyPower> you'll need to open another terminal, and issue 'juju resolved -r meteor/0'
[00:50] <lazyPower> that will tell juju to re-execute teh last failed hook on the service, which you'll notice gets trapped in your tmux session
[00:50] <Ponyo> stby
[00:50] <lazyPower> now you can run the hooks manually and debug the environment to see why it failed.
[00:58] <lazyPower> Ponyo: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/authors-hook-debug.html  - as well as http://youtu.be/75gKKnv_ze8?t=16m8s
[00:58] <lazyPower> that covers debug-hooks both in text, and another live example in a troubleshooting charm school
[15:31] <JoshStrobl> hey marcoceppi, I noticed the https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charm-review-process.html doc isn't rendering "notes" markdown (!!! Note:). I compared it with the Juju wiki page for Markdown and noticed that it does in fact match. I checked out https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/authors-charm-quality.html and it has a working Note, but using a patch I submitted a while back that changed it to **Note: **. Is !!! Note: broken, is there not
[15:31] <JoshStrobl> meant to be a space between !!! and Note, etc.
[15:41] <JoshStrobl> marcoceppi, I also noticed the patch that mbruzek did at https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/152/files (charms-working-with-units.md) and (howto-offline-charms) to revert some of my **Note: ** changes does break in the juju.ubuntu.com docs. would you be OK with me filing an issue about the broken !!! Note: and doing a temporary patch of the botched files until the issue is resolved?
[15:57] <JoshStrobl> doc bug filed: https://github.com/juju/docs/issues/159
[21:20] <tvansteenburgh> fuzzy: you are the fuzzy who emailed me about the meteor charm?
[21:26] <fuzzy> ep
[21:26] <fuzzy> yep
[21:27] <tvansteenburgh> ok cool. i figured out the problem, just gotta get it reviewed and updated in the store
[21:27] <fuzzy> np
[21:28] <fuzzy> In the future would you prefer that as a github issue?
[21:31] <tvansteenburgh> fuzzy: sure, that'd be great


[14:05] <minimal> meena: once you get all your manage_service/cc_ntp/testcases changes merged then I'll raise an MR for similar Alpine-related changes
[14:06] <meena> minimal: hoping it'll happen today: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1759 looks pretty complete to me.
[14:06] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1759 in canonical/cloud-init "cc_ntp: add support for BSDs" [Open]
[14:07] <meena> this one's already merged: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1772
[14:07] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1772 in canonical/cloud-init "distros/manage_services: add support to disable service" [Merged]
[14:10] <meena> oh, and https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1758 too
[14:10] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1758 in canonical/cloud-init "Distro manage service: Improve BSD support" [Merged]
[14:12] <meena> time to refocus on: https://github.com/igalic/cloud-init/tree/net/add-ifconfig-parsers
[14:15]  * meena just added 2 more network interfaces to her dev vm
[23:23]  * meena has submitted a PR for parsing ifconfig: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1779
[23:23] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1779 in canonical/cloud-init "Net: add BSD ifconfig(8) parser" [Open]
[23:23] <meena> It's still missing parsing of bridges / their members, but the skeleton is there and looks fairly solit
[23:24] <meena> except for types… mypy is not happy, and I'm not quite happy with the resulting Dict, which I'd much rather be a Class, so i can do things like: ifs['em0'].is_up(), ifs['em0'].is_physical(), ifs['em0'].is_bridge() etc…
[23:26] <meena> but more on that tomorrow
[23:35] <meena> hrm… am i writing (c) Mina Galić into new files, or (c) FreeBSD Foundation?


[03:00] <hnsctq40> blip?
[09:53] <bibstha> hi whats the tftp line in inetd.conf
[09:53] <bibstha> sudo dpkg-reconfigure tftp-hpa doesnot insert any line there :(
[09:54] <ogra> did you fiddle with /etc/defaults/tftpd-hpa manually ?
[09:55] <bibstha> nop done nothing
[09:55] <bibstha> the edubuntu-desktop doesnot add any entry in inetd.conf
[09:55] <ogra> edubuntu-desktop doesnt install ltsp related stuff anymore
[09:56] <bibstha> ogra: oh there are two ltsp specific packages
[09:56] <bibstha> ltspltsp-server
[09:56] <bibstha> i   ltsp-server-standalone
[09:56] <bibstha> which one?
[10:00] <ogra> standalone gives you everything, ltsp-server needs external dhcp
[10:01] <ogra> bibstha, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall see the second paragraph
[10:01] <bibstha> ogra: thanks
[10:02] <bibstha> ogra: one more question, ltsp-build-client -mirror needs the whole dvd or just ubuntu-alternate?
[10:03] <ogra> dvd *should* work, but is untested
[10:04] <ogra> if you would mount it to /dvd it would be: sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///dvd
[10:04] <bibstha> ogra: dvd i dunt have :( i'll try
[10:04] <bibstha> with alternate
[10:04] <ogra> alternate will work
[10:05] <ogra> (note there are three slashes in the above command)
[10:05] <bibstha> ogra: thanks again
[12:38] <stgraber> ogra: early or late meeting ?
[12:45] <stgraber> IIRC it's supposed to be an early one (as the rotation between early and late meeting is the same as the QA team :))
[13:40] <ogra> stgraber, hmm, sorry i slept in a bit, do we have anything to discuss actually ?
[13:41] <stgraber> I don't think so
[13:41] <ogra> RichEd doesnt seem to be here either
[13:42] <stgraber> subject for uds ? anything to add to last time discussion ?
[13:42] <ogra> we didnt have management updates since quite some time thats the actual thing i'd like to see once agan
[13:45] <ogra> so i just asked about the two edu specs
[13:45] <ogra> #
[13:45] <ogra> Define gui part of Edubuntu Menus Completion (probably with schedule integration)
[13:45] <ogra> # Local content filter (finish willowng parental control and add ufw integration)
[13:45] <ogra> seems they will both be scheduled
[13:46] <stgraber> hmm, ok. What's planned for the menu GUI ? development based on alacarte or a new tool ?
[13:47] <ogra> that will be discussed :)
[13:48] <ogra> i will take a look at possible alacarte integraton as well as on scheduling tools that could be enhanced by enu editing
[13:48] <ogra> *menu editin
[13:48] <ogra> g
[13:48] <stgraber> ok
[13:51] <stgraber> btw, has RichEd asked Intel for a cmpc for me (italc integration stuff) or do I need to poke him ? (He asked me to nag him until he does) :)
[13:52] <ogra> lets go on poking then, i dont think he did yet
[13:52] <ogra> (i'll poke as well)
[13:53] <Nubae> hi ogra, good day...
[13:56] <Nubae> is there a way to make italc work with fat clients too?
[13:57] <stgraber> sure, but not easily with the one in Hardy
[13:57] <ogra> Nubae, just make sure tho have italc-client installed in the environment
[13:58] <Nubae> cool, I'll try that
[13:58] <ogra> stgraber, well, it runs locally on the client, should be just like any other workstation
[13:58] <stgraber> you will need the IP of all your clients and add them by hand
[13:58] <Nubae> I use mac address relations to ip addresses so shouldn't be too hard
[13:59] <stgraber> ok, will work fine with static addresses, dynamic won't work until we have a backport of the avahi-powered italc
[13:59] <Nubae> cool
[15:29] <ogra> stgraber, your ppa italc is newer than debian, right ? (1:1.0.7-2)
[15:30] <stgraber> yes
[15:30] <stgraber> I have 1.0.8 and soon 1.0.9
[15:31] <ogra> where can i grab that ? i lost the url to your archive
[15:31] <ogra> i'll just dump that into intrepid if you dont mind
[15:31] <ogra> to save the merge work
[15:31] <stgraber> you can take it from our PPA
[15:31] <stgraber> and I'll upload 1.0.9 there as soon as it's released officially
[15:32] <ogra> right, i lost the url when ff got crazy and my bookmarks vanished
[15:33] <ogra> (its not on http://ppa.launchpad.net/stgraber/ubuntu/)
[15:33] <stgraber> ~edubuntu-italc-devel
[15:33] <ogra> ah, gracias :)
[15:34] <stgraber> will be back soon, moving to a wifi network somewhere
[21:47] <Goosemoose> is there a special netboot.tar.gz i need for edubuntu?


[15:54] <sfeole> hey all, is there a way to build charms in launchpad?? push the source to a branch and have a recipe that builds the charm for you?
[16:31] <bdx> sfeole: there is a charm ci workflow for jenkins that exists somewhere, I'm now curious where its at too
[16:32] <bdx> sfeole: possibly this is it https://github.com/juju-solutions/bundle-cwr-ci
[16:32] <bdx> there may be another though
[16:33] <bdx> sfeole: https://github.com/juju-solutions/bundle-cwr-ci#test-charm-when-the-repository-changes
[16:33] <bdx> kwmonroe: +1
[16:33] <sfeole> bdx, thanks, i'll take a look .
[16:34] <bdx> sfeole: np
[17:23] <xarses_> (re-ask, I think it wasn't responded to) Is there a pre-defined way to build stub|shim charms that are simply data providers to satisfy relations to systems that are deployed outside of juju?
[17:25] <bdx> xarses_: yeah ... its not really pre-defined but there is a simple path
[17:29] <kwmonroe> xarses_: i think you're getting at the idea of a proxy charm... eg, faux-db-charm might allow a user to "juju config faux-db-charm ip=<real-db-ip> user=<real-user> pass=<real-password>" and would also provide the db relation.  this would allow you to proxy the db connection details via juju config to a db relation that could then be related to other charms that require a db.
[17:29] <xarses_> yep, something like that
[17:30] <kwmonroe> of course, the faux-db-charm would need to do the actual work of relation-setting the configured data.
[17:30] <kwmonroe> so, i don't know of any docs or pre-defined workflows for proxy charms, but it seems pretty simple in theory (famous last words).
[17:42] <xarses_> ya, it seems simple, so simple that there should be a pattern and or charm-generator for it
[17:42] <bdx> kwmonroe, xarses_: looking back at the areas where I've had to have my charms connect to an external service I've implemented it custom in each charm, probably +10 places where I've copied my external service handlers around
[17:43] <bdx> xarses_: I'm right there with you, +1^
[17:45] <bdx> I originally thought subordinate charms might be a fit for the external service use case, but I don't think they are
[17:47] <xarses_> oh, I was going down that route for the relations I currently need to model, but you think no?
[17:51] <bdx> well... from what I know about subordinates, I think they have to be related to a primary charm to be able to run code
[17:52] <bdx> so I don't think you could just have a subordinate deployed to your model that isn't related to a primary, that is just handing out config
[17:52] <bdx> xarses_: I created this https://github.com/jamesbeedy/interface-db-info/blob/master/provides.py#L17
[17:53] <bdx> simple way to set and get db info from one application to the next
[17:54] <bdx> xarses_: so then you could have the leader of one application set the dbinfo, and other applications can relate to it to get the db-info
[17:55] <bdx> xarses_: you can then just make the db-info config values in your primary charm that get set into the db-info relation
[17:56] <xarses_> ya, thats about what I figured
[17:56] <bdx> xarses_: not sure if this will get you what you want, but it definitely reinforces "so simple that there should be a pattern and or charm-generator for it"
[17:56] <bdx> reinforces that we need something* ^
[17:57] <bdx> xarses_: because the majority of the time (despite what we may like to think) NOT everything is deployed via Juju right
[17:57] <xarses_> not even that
[17:57] <xarses_> not everything will be deployed by juju
[17:59] <xarses_> or even be deployed in this model
[17:59] <xarses_> or managed by this controller
[17:59] <bdx> right
[17:59] <bdx> so
[18:00] <bdx> I've hit my head on this all to much too
[18:01] <bdx> xarses_: heres something I came up with a wile back https://github.com/jamesbeedy/juju-layer-barbican-client/blob/master/config.yaml
[18:02] <bdx> you have to have barbican deployed
[18:02] <bdx> and keystone
[18:02] <bdx> then you set your keystone creds in the barbican-client
[18:03] <bdx> then you can relate your charms to via the barbican-client and have them get the secrets from barbican
[18:03] <bdx> all that to say
[18:03] <bdx> that is a lot of work to get something "so simple that there should be a pattern and or charm-generator for it"
[18:04] <bdx> :)
[18:05] <bdx> xarses_: I dropped the barbican idea because I didn't like all of the things having a hard dep on having a connection to barbican
[18:07] <bdx> and then trying to facilitate getting the information from the relations if the service exists and deployed via juju, or if not deployed via juju get the info from barbican .... it was becoming more then I bit off to chew, so I just ditched it in favor of setting charm configs for external things
[18:08] <bdx> I'm not sure if any of that is best practice for anything
[18:08] <bdx> but I think your totally right ... we need some sort of generic external application proxy manager or something
[18:09] <bdx> the guys working on the CAAS stuff might be thinking about a similar problem trying to present k8s application endpoints
[18:10] <bdx> mmcc:^?
[18:10] <xarses_> or something with some relation and config factory generators that are just like take "this relation" and give me something that I can relate, and set the config that was passed in the relation
[18:10] <bdx> right


[11:14] <diddledani> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60454795
[11:17] <zxmpi_> who didn't see that coming
[11:22] <diddledani> putin apparently didn't - he was adamant it wasn't gonna happen
[11:26] <diddledani> you gotta be pretty oblivious when you don't realise that your plans that you planned in detail are progressing as you planned
[11:36] <davef> Just as the world is getting over covid, Russia is attempting to start WW3.
[11:38] <davef> I have colleagues in Kyiv, I really hope they're staying safe.
[11:38] <diddledani> 🤗
[11:43] <diddledani> my biggest fear is that putin might get red-button-happy and start firing nooks
[11:45] <diddledani> he's alluded to any interference in the Ukraine by other western nations would be met with a force you're never experienced before (paraphrase) which seems to be a veiled "I'ma nuke your ass" thread
[11:45] <diddledani> threat*
[11:47] <davef> I don't think he will, Ukraine is too close to his turf.
[11:47] <davef> But if any one country launches nukes, you can kiss the world as we know it good-bye


[00:11] <mycosys> can anyone tell me how to remove the recordings from the database, and how to put em back?
[00:17] <mrand> mycosys: http://www.mythbuntu.org/upgrading points the way.
[00:17] <Zinn> [www.mythbuntu.org] Upgrading | Mythbuntu
[00:18] <mycosys> does it point the way to cloning to a second (near identical)  machine without the recordings to do it?
[00:19] <mrand> between that page, and the the mythtv wiki page that it references, I think so.
[00:19] <mrand> If not, the pages need to be improved.
[00:35] <shadow__X> now i have mythbuntu 10.10 installed but now when trying to use componenet output its overtly blue  but the colors are right in bios
[00:53] <mycosys> what video driver are you using?
[00:56] <shadow__X> nvidia
[00:56] <shadow__X> 260
[00:59] <mycosys> should be able to run nvidia-settings and adjust that easily
[01:00] <mycosys> guys - might it be a good idea to put somewhere on the mythbuntu site a recommendation to opt for lts releases?
[01:00] <tgm4883> mycosys, why?
[01:00] <mycosys> the same reason even the devs recommend treating myth as an appliance
[01:01] <mycosys> for most people it should be set up and leave it
[01:01] <tgm4883> I don't say treat it as an appliance
[01:01] <tgm4883> In fact, I say just the opposite
[01:01] <tgm4883> recommending LTS != appliance
[01:01] <tgm4883> I recommend LTS for desktop usage as well
[01:02] <mycosys> lts means that if you do need to change something 1yr or more down the track there will be updates and support
[01:03] <mycosys> ie in my case add a torrentn client
[01:03] <tgm4883> which would contridict an appliance
[01:03] <tgm4883> which is don't touch it after install
[01:03] <mycosys> lot of people do firmware updates on electronic appliances after that sort of time
[01:04] <tgm4883> mycosys, um, no they don't
[01:05] <mycosys> k
[01:05] <tgm4883> some people maybe
[01:05] <tgm4883> but they are in the minority
[01:06] <tgm4883> technical people might, but most others won't
[01:06] <tgm4883> mycosys, in any case, if you can convince a dev to update the site to say LTS recommended, go for it
[01:53] <shadow__X> tgm4883: any experience getting component out from a nvidia card? its a geforce 6150 and the tv is a sony kp-51w510 which has a dvi port but can not for the life of me get working
[06:04] <mycosys> shadow__X still here ? any success with component out?
[06:06] <shadow__X> yeah i tried windows 7 and was having the issue still
[06:06] <shadow__X> low and behold the connection was loose :(
[11:36] <dabblego> hi there, is there a list of packages that mythbuntu comes with on top of ubuntu?
[12:31] <qwebirc17750> hi everybody
[12:33] <qwebirc17750> i am working on a mythbuntu pc, can anybody recommend a technisat sat card working with mythbuntu 10.10 ?
[15:00] <tgm4883> dabblego, not really, you could look at the dependencies of mythbuntu-desktop
[15:00] <tgm4883> dabblego, are you trying to convert your desktop into a mythbuntu system?
[15:05] <adub__> i dont want mythbuntu to start the frontend immediately each time the computer boots up how do i stop this
[15:05] <adub__> also i dont know if anyone has had this problem my wireless network icon in the top right has seemingly disappeared
[17:32] <qwebirc37397> hey
[17:33] <qwebirc37397> Mythbuntu 10.10 Only in intel format at the moment?
[17:33] <adub__> no you can get amd64 i did
[17:37] <adub__> what is the easiest way with mythbuntu xfce interface to get icons on the desktop i am trying to drag from menu but that simply isnt working
[17:37] <adub__> do i have to create from scratch??
[18:15] <qwebirc1208> hello, i need some help about hardware compatibility, i want to set up a mythbuntu media pc and would like to know which hd tv sat card i can use preferable technisat.
[18:15] <rhpot1991> qwebirc1208: you are better asking about that on the mythtv mailing list
[18:16] <rhpot1991> !mailing%
[18:16] <Zinn> The MythTV Users mailing list is located at: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/
[18:16] <rhpot1991> its hard to get specific hardware support in here unless it is a very common card
[18:17] <qwebirc1208> i thought maybe somebody has some experience cuz of using and setting up
[18:18] <rhpot1991> qwebirc1208: where are you located?
[18:18] <qwebirc1208> Leipzig germany
[18:19] <rhpot1991> I'd try the mailing list or forums
[18:19] <rhpot1991> !forums
[18:19] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu forums are located at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301.  If you aren't getting a timely response here, there are lots of very active individuals there that may be able to help.
[18:21] <qwebirc1208> been searching already for quite some time most answers and hints are about mythbuntu 9.10 i would like to use 10.10 and i read there have been kernel changes
[18:23] <qwebirc1208> i will go for the forums then again thank you ;-)
[18:24] <rhpot1991> qwebirc1208: try posting a new topic asking for a card recomendation
[18:24] <rhpot1991> unfortunately most of us in here are US based so we don't know about your cards over there
[18:25] <qwebirc1208> most of them seem alike like technisat skymaster card for example
[18:27] <rhpot1991> here in the US for satelite you would use a hd-pvr and captuer the component output
[18:29] <qwebirc1208> ok, well thanks for your help. i will search my way through then
[22:16] <Zinn> [freenode.net] freenode: frequently-asked questions
[23:02] <jbehmer1> does anyone know why i would not be able to do a channel scan while in the mythtv-setup interface?? i have a hauppauge bt878 capture card with input coming to the TV coax port, and xawtv verifies that i can view NTSC channels
[23:03] <jbehmer1> i am also getting a strange error: "connection DBManager0 is still in use, all queries will cease to work." when i exit out of mythtv-setup. not sure if this is related
[23:04] <gregL> jbehmer1, what are you using for a source for epg data?
[23:04] <jbehmer1> gregL, what is epg data? im quite new to this actually
[23:04] <rhpot1991> listings
[23:05] <gregL> what he said
[23:06] <jbehmer1> that would be in video sources correct? i havent been able to set that up, because when i add one it doesnt show up in the list
[23:07] <gregL> Yes, we use schedule direct to get the epg data..
[23:08] <gregL> It's $20 a year..Pretty cheap..
[23:09] <rhpot1991> there is a few week trial still I think too
[23:09] <rhpot1991> so you can try it out first
[23:09] <jbehmer1> ah, i see. is there any free alternative i can use. im just trying this out on my desktop to decide if i should buy a new HTPC
[23:09] <jbehmer1> oh i see
[23:09] <gregL> They have a trila period..
[23:09] <gregL> trial even
[23:09] <rhpot1991> that said, you should be able to scan without it, but its much easier to just pull your listing data from there
[23:10] <rhpot1991> s/listing/channel/
[23:10] <jbehmer1> okay, let me set one up and ill see if that works
[23:11] <gregL> jbehmer1, When you do,don't scan..Use fetch from source..
[23:12] <jbehmer1> okay, will do
[23:13] <gregL> jbehmer1, I see you are in the nycap area..I am also..
[23:14] <jbehmer1> oh cool, yep I go to school up here
[23:14] <gregL> No I live here..
[23:14] <gregL> Saratoga
[23:14] <mycosys> jbehmer - just a note - dont judge performance based on using that card - it will need MANY times the cpu power of a cheap digital tuner to use
[23:15] <mycosys> *jbehmer1
[23:15] <jbehmer1> haha, I found it in an old computer somebody was getting rid of so I don't have very high expectations :-p
[23:16] <mycosys> an old computer like a 1ghz machine can often handle 3 digital tuners and SD playback
[23:16] <mycosys> was doing 3 digital tuners and HD playback on a 1.8GHz sempron and GT210
[23:18] <jbehmer1> oh wow thats not too bad, i have an amd dual core in this 2.8 ghz i think, so hopefully it will do fine despite the card
[23:19] <mycosys> will be bogged down
[23:20] <mycosys> prolly handle 2 or 3 tuners max, might handle playback
[23:20] <mycosys> from experience, analog tuners are pita
[23:20] <mycosys> for a digital tuner all the machine does is take data from the tuner and write it to the disk, zero processing
[23:21] <mycosys> can  get analog cards that do the encoding too - so they are good, but analog will be switched off soon
[23:23] <mycosys> anyway - all my point was is it will go much better with a better tuner, they are cheap
[23:23] <jbehmer1> right, yeah. i was surprised last night when i hooked an antenna in and was picking up a couple channels. they must have been analog ones right? i didnt even know this card was analog but did some research on it to find out it was a hauppauge bt878
[23:23] <mycosys> brooktree/conexant878
[23:23] <jbehmer1> i thought they got rid of analog in the US last year or year before
[23:23] <mycosys> lol
[23:23] <mycosys> i did too
[23:24] <mycosys> we still have it here, but not for long
[23:24] <jbehmer1> haha yeah
[23:25] <jbehmer1> okay the activation email finally came through for schedules direct. let me try this
[23:26] <mycosys> $40-50 or so will get a decent tuner normally
[23:28] <jbehmer1> wow, you know i was looking on newegg 2 days ago and the cheapest i could find with hardware encoding was $109
[23:28] <jbehmer1> hauppauge ones that is
[23:31] <jbehmer1> so, i put in my username and pw, now just click finish?? theres a checkbox for EIT scan and a button for retrieve lineups, but nothing for fetch from source on this window
[23:50] <jbehmer1> i figured out how to add the video source, but when i try to set the input source, clicking "fetch channels from listings source" doesnt do anything. anyone know why?? im just using my keyboard and arrow keys, no IR


[17:24] <ablest1980> does ubuntu studio have hex chat and firefox?
[17:31] <OvenWerks> firefox yes
[17:31] <OvenWerks> hexchat doesn't seem to be there
[17:32] <OvenWerks> pidgin is though
[17:33] <OvenWerks> sudo apt install hexchat works though
[17:54] <ablest1980> ty
[18:08] <studio-user772> anyone feel like answering dumb questions about ubuntu studio?


[01:28] <scott-upstairs> downloading the new beta ISO image for testing...with the updated gnome-network-admin for moderating network connections :)
[01:29] <scott-upstairs> i really should send a "thank you" email to chris coulson if it works ;)
[21:56] <ckontros> Really? Why hasn't someone else tried to give Chris (on the list) a clue besides me?
[21:57] <scott-work> hmmm?  new email?
[22:00] <ckontros> scott-work: From this morning.
[22:01] <ckontros> Really? "Hire someone" He's just being defensive.
[22:02] <ckontros> scott-work: I'd appreciate if you stepped up a bit here. I kinda feel like I'm twisting in the wind.
[22:03] <ckontros>  scott-work: People have to know that examples of their work in a necessity. We can't just accept whatever anyone brings to the table. Even Louie needs to.
[22:05] <ckontros> Well, I shouldn't say "we". It should be "you". In any event, things shouldn't take a step backwards.
[22:07] <scott-work> i agree with not stepping backwards and saying something to chris, when i get home tonight i will send an email
[22:07] <scott-work> ckontros: ^
[22:08] <scott-work> ckontros: damn, i only saw his last email and didn't read the one before it...i clearly understand why you are upset
[22:08] <ckontros> Ok. Don't be afraid to say "no".  I asked a simple question.  It's a legitimate question if some guy who joined the list a day ago asked.
[22:14] <ckontros> And dammit he's sending stuff right to me AND the list. So my reply just want to him. Dammit. Ill fix it.
[22:16] <ckontros> Ok.  But I assumed he's just in AU and English was fine. Maybe he's an immigrant? Or young? Or both?. Whatever. I gotta shower this grime offa me.
[22:22] <scott-work> oh, just putting the hammer down on him, what i found funny was you saying that I'm the only one who said I wouldn't cut ;)
[22:23] <ckontros> Well, I said you because, well, you drew it and you're the boss. :)
[22:25] <ckontros> scott-work: But all this is kinda why I mentioned shooting for next release. Gives time to better define audience and thematic elements. Doing it all now, is just forced.
[22:35] <ckontros> Ok. Later. PM if needed.


[01:53] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:15] <ducasse> good morning
[13:30] <stevenm__> bigpod, yeah
[13:30] <stevenm__> but still RDP instead?  ick
[13:30] <bigpod> well in windows it works realy well and its realy quick
[13:31] <bigpod> so rather that than something that is crap
[13:31] <stevenm__> I know the days of drawing instructions (early RDP and X11 forwarding) are over as codecs are now more efficient ... but still *some* alternative to RDP would have been nice
[13:31] <stevenm__> something more home grown in the linux camp
[13:31] <bigpod> well something realy good like that is kinda hard to make require a lot of time
[13:31] <goddard> depends on your client
[13:31] <stevenm__> not unless RDP gets an RFC :P
[13:32] <goddard> VNC has a ton of clients
[13:32] <goddard> and different servers
[13:32] <goddard> its just a protocol
[13:32] <stevenm__> well unless VNC gets a crap load quicker - it's poop
[13:32] <goddard> what do all those game streaming services use?
[13:33] <stevenm__> probably some patent-laden video codecs no one has heard of
[13:33] <goddard> valve has been pretty open lately
[13:33] <daftykins> xrdp has been workable for me for a tinkering desktop Linux VM i occasionally reach over a VPN
[13:33] <goddard> he wants a rdp server for linux
[13:34] <daftykins> that's what xrdp does
[13:34] <stevenm__> who is 'he' ?
[13:34] <goddard> oh really i thought it was only a client
[13:34] <goddard> i use xrdp before it was good
[13:34] <daftykins> install it on a desktop install, log out of the session... instantly you can reach that host using the Windows RDP client (mstsc)
[13:35] <daftykins> i haven't dug into the level of security it employes, just seen it work
[13:35] <daftykins> -e
[13:35] <stevenm__> daftykins, does the xrdp version have multi monitor support and remotefx?  because the freerdp server implementation in gnome 40 doesn't
[13:36] <daftykins> couldn't tell you
[13:37] <daftykins> i mean those are backend features when RDP is used from Windows hosts, so expecting it to be in place on a Linux desktop would seem unlikely
[13:37] <daftykins> not both necessarily but certainly the latter
[13:37] <stevenm__> actually they're working on it from what I've heard
[13:38] <daftykins> specifically the xrdp 'project'?
[13:38] <stevenm__> no I'm referring to g-r-d using freerdp
[13:39] <ducasse> a quick search indicates remotefx works with intel and amd when xdp is built with glamor support
[13:40] <ducasse> *xrdp, sorry
[13:41] <bigpod> those streaming services generaly build with the codecs we heard of but they use stuff like GPUs too speed encoding and such
[13:42] <bigpod> well microsoft has been doing some pull requests on freerdp lately
[13:42] <stevenm__> spoke with the guy who wrote this... https://gitlab.gnome.org/-/snippets/1778
[13:42] <stevenm__> but I don't think it's xrdp related (as I think xrdp is specific to x11... and this is wayland territory)
[13:43] <stevenm__> maybe we can get pipewire clients for windows - and somehow do it that way? :D
[13:44] <stevenm__> course pipewire would have to carry the graphics, the sound & things like keyb/mouse, printers, etc...
[13:44] <stevenm__> but at least it wouldn't be us recreating some shitty MS proprietary protocol
[13:44] <stevenm__> a worthy successor to X11 forwaring / NoMachine 3 / X2Go
[13:45] <daftykins> easy on the language please, no need to get like that over software politics