[00:00] <RdPB> i try using dmraid
[00:00] <BluesKaj> keith, it should be in the k-menu
[00:00] <RdPB> but...
[00:00] <BluesKaj> if it's motherboard then it's BIOS
[00:00] <keith> BluesKaj it is not showing up in the k-menu
[00:01] <JohnFlux> RdPB: in windows, did you have to do anything special to get it to work?
[00:01] <BluesKaj> keith, not in utililties
[00:01] <JohnFlux> RdPB: I'm trying to work out if it is software raid or hardware raid
[00:02] <RdPB> when i install windows i press f10 and pass the driver of the motherboard
[00:02] <JohnFlux> hmmm
[00:02] <JohnFlux> RdPB: what motherboard?
[00:02] <RdPB> MSI P965 platinum
[00:02] <keith> nope not in the utilities Blueskaj
[00:02] <RdPB> with fedora 8 and suse 10.3 its plays
[00:02] <JohnFlux> RdPB: if I google for that, I bet I find it is fake raid :(
[00:02] <BluesKaj> keith , try launching from the Konsole
[00:03] <keith> I tried vmware and got a bash error that so no such command.
[00:03] <urbmen> just incase I'm doing this wrong as for everything I have tried installing this eveing since installing Kubuntu has said it is missing some file or somthing have I missed anything out
[00:03] <keith> BluesKaj I am not certain that I have it installed correctly.
[00:03] <BluesKaj> right keith , i suspect that may be the case
[00:03] <JohnFlux> RdPB: it doesn't show up in ubuntu though?
[00:04] <keith> Can you help me get it installed correctly then blueskaj
[00:04] <RdPB> no
[00:04] <RdPB> when i run dmraid activate the raid
[00:04] <RdPB> when i see with fdisk -l i see the disk and with raid and without
[00:05] <RdPB> and when i try to install then its see many partions that are mapped
[00:05] <urbmen> as at the moment I am trying to install that w32 thing and it is saying libstdc++5 is missing so it can not install tat, so I get it, its an rpm file I type rpm -ivh (the file name) thats then needs a load of files
[00:05] <JohnFlux> RdPB: do you have a /dev/md0  ?
[00:05] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: sudo aptitude install w32codecs ?
[00:05] <raylu> urbmen, are you still trying to install winamp?
[00:05] <BluesKaj> keith , it's been a while and I had help to install it too, but found it rather frustrating to use , so i removed it ..I won't be much help I'm afraid
[00:06] <sn00zer> howdy all, i'm having aptitude issues, i typically use apt-get but when i go into aptitude it wants to remove alot of packages because they are unused, but they aren't unused, amarok shows up on the list and its open at the time
[00:06] <BluesKaj> !VMWare
[00:06] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[00:06] <RdPB> JohnFlux: i see /dev/sda
[00:07] <raylu> sn00zer, what operation do you want apt to actually do?
[00:07] <WaltzingAlong> sn00zer: if you have not been using aptitude all of the time then it does not know which items you installed elsewhere; it keeps track of that; sudo aptitude then find (main) ones it wants to remove, instruct aptitude to keep (add/install) it
[00:07] <JohnFlux> RdPB: is that sda  the raid system?  or just one of the hard disks?
[00:07] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: add the medibuntu repositories then sudo aptitude update and then sudo aptitude install w32codecs
[00:08] <JohnFlux> RdPB: do you have a    /dev/sda1 ?
[00:08] <sn00zer> i'm not trying to do anything in particular right now, but a few days ago i noticed it and want to fix it
[00:08] <keith> BluesKaj I am just trying to run XP so that I can use Quicken and Quickbooks, but virtualbox doesn't want to work well with screen resolutions.
[00:08] <WaltzingAlong> sn00zer: and my comments let you know how
[00:08] <RdPB> JohnFlux:  can i post you to see it?
[00:08] <JohnFlux> RdPB: okay
[00:08] <WaltzingAlong> !wine | keith
[00:08] <ubotu> keith: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[00:09] <raylu> keith, i think those will work with wine
[00:09] <raylu> what he said =\
[00:09] <keith> Wine does not work well with bank downloads.
[00:09] <raylu> bank downloads = ?
[00:09] <keith> Wine does not work well at all.
[00:09] <JohnFlux> RdPB: do:  ls /dev/sd*    and post me the results of that
[00:09] <urbmen> I was about to give up then and go to bed as my brain feels like mush, but that seems to be working thank you
[00:09] <raylu> wine works for WoW; i'd be surprised if it couldn't handle a banking operation
[00:10] <ardchoille> urbmen: Give up? Welcome to the addiction :)
[00:10] <sn00zer> thanks waltzingalong
[00:10] <BluesKaj> will Open Office handle Quicken and Quickbook files and apps
[00:10] <WaltzingAlong> ah what?
[00:10] <raylu> i don't think so
[00:10] <JohnFlux> RdPB: are you trying to /msg  me?
[00:11] <WaltzingAlong> !info kmymoney2 | keith
[00:11] <ubotu> keith: kmymoney2: personal finance manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.7-2 (gutsy), package size 7078 kB, installed size 14424 kB
[00:11] <urbmen> lol, I've always wanted to learn Linux
[00:11] <WaltzingAlong> !info gnucash | keith
[00:11] <ubotu> keith: gnucash: A personal finance tracking program. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.2.1-1ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 1746 kB, installed size 5360 kB
[00:11] <RdPB> yes
[00:11] <RdPB> JohnFlux: yes
[00:11] <JohnFlux> RdPB: you aren't idenitified
[00:11] <JohnFlux> you can't message anyone
[00:11] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: using kubuntu you never *need* to learn Linux
[00:11] <urbmen> whys that then
[00:11] <keith> Thanks WaltzingAlong but they both suck as far as keeping track of tax situations.
[00:11] <JohnFlux> RdPB: join #johnflux  :)
[00:12] <WaltzingAlong> keith: then may i interest you in seamless rdp with your virtual machine
[00:12] <keith> What is seamless rdp?
[00:13] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: just because to use a system one not need to know how the pieces of it work
[00:13] <keith> WaltzingAlong I can't get a virtual machine running properly that is the problem.
[00:13] <urbmen> I dont have to reboot or anything do I for it to work
[00:13] <WaltzingAlong> keith: because of not getting virtualbox into fullscreen?
[00:14] <WaltzingAlong> keith: http://www.cendio.com/seamlessrdp/
[00:14] <i00nsu> well i cant edit startmenu... i cant start bootup manager, I cant open configuration manager, .... what is happening? the programs do not start... :/
[00:14] <keith> I have been unable to virtualbox into seamless windows mode to get a decent screen size.
[00:14] <urbmen> I want to learn it thought so I can support it
[00:15] <WaltzingAlong> keith: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=363649
[00:15] <raylu> i00nsu, can you run a konsole?
[00:15] <i00nsu> yes
[00:15] <Minataku> One should learn Linux, IMO
[00:15] <Minataku> If you're going to use something, you should at least learn a little about it
[00:15] <raylu> i00nsu, run whatever's not working from the konsole, then.
[00:16] <raylu> and what are "startmenu," "bootup manager," and "configuration manager?"
[00:16] <i00nsu> or... no ... i have closed the other and now the kansole is not working too
[00:16] <i00nsu> thats wierd
[00:16] <i00nsu> yes
[00:16] <i00nsu> in the configuration manager
[00:17] <raylu> kcontrol?
[00:17] <keith> Waltzingalong will this get seamless windows to work in virtualbox?
[00:18] <BluesKaj> ok,you SVN Experts : I think I've got kde4 65% installed (using SVN) , I'm at the ~/kde/build/KDE/kdebase$ prompt , but the previous line looks like an error , but I'm not sure what it means :[ 65%] Built target krandrtray/ make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/kaj/kde/build/KDE/kdebase'/make: *** [all] Error 2.
[00:18] <i00nsu> nothing raylu
[00:18] <stdin> BluesKaj: it means something failed to compile somewhere earlier on
[00:19]  * WaltzingAlong has not used virtualbox (just vmware server); keith perhaps check too in #virtualbox
[00:19] <keith> WalzingAlong Virtualbox is the closed I have come to getting XP on my box, but I can't get the seamless stuff to work
[00:19] <keith> WaltzingAlong I have tried to install vmware server but have botched it.  I can't seem to get it running.
[00:19] <i00nsu> if i do here /exec konsole or sudo sometiog says [DCOP] Error
[00:20] <WaltzingAlong> keith: on gutsy?
[00:20] <keith> yes WaltzingAlong on gutsy
[00:20] <BluesKaj> stdin, i remember something about xine-video-widget, but i couldn't find it in the pkg managers
[00:20] <raylu> i00nsu, i had that issue earlier too; I rebooted
[00:20] <i00nsu> can't find script 'sudo' or 'konsole'
[00:21] <i00nsu> ok, lets see :P
[00:21] <stdin> BluesKaj: try running make again, it should skip right to the error and repost it
[00:22] <urbmen> I'm still getting - No suitable demux plugin, do I have to restart my machine or anything?
[00:22] <BluesKaj> stdin, make or cmake
[00:22] <BluesKaj> ?
[00:22] <stdin> BluesKaj: make
[00:23] <BluesKaj> ok
[00:23] <raylu> urbmen, no
[00:23] <raylu> urbmen, what are you trying to do anyway?
[00:23] <urbmen> stream internet radio
[00:23] <FroggyTheGreat> Oo, newly graded to Gutsy
[00:24] <FroggyTheGreat> Could someone please remind me where I can find the updated drivers for an Intel 845 graphics card?
[00:25] <stdin> just use the "intel" driver
[00:25] <urbmen> on a different note, what does this command line mean? sudo aptitude install
[00:25] <FroggyTheGreat> Specifically, I've got a 1680x1050 LCD monitor and the upgrade to Gutsy lost the config.
[00:26] <stdin> urbmen: aptitude is like apt-get
[00:26] <stdin> !aptitude
[00:26] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[00:26] <FroggyTheGreat> !drivers
[00:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drivers - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:26] <urbmen> oright kool
[00:26]  * FroggyTheGreat sighs
[00:28] <BluesKaj> !intel
[00:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:28] <urbmen> YYYYYYYYYYYYYYeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssss
[00:28] <BluesKaj> !intel graphics
[00:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel graphics - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:28] <Tm_T> urbmen: erm
[00:28] <urbmen> I'd for got to install the libxine1-ffmpeg
[00:29] <urbmen> its working
[00:29] <urbmen> thank you for your help
[00:31] <stdin> FroggyTheGreat: try the 915resolution tool
[00:31] <BluesKaj> stdin, make[1]: *** [workspace/kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kcm_keyboard_layout.dir/all] Error 2. make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/kaj/kde/build/KDE/kdebase' make: *** [all] Error 2
[00:31] <stdin> BluesKaj: anything before that?
[00:32] <stdin> try "make &>makelog.log"  then post the file to pastebin
[00:33] <BluesKaj> stdin, home/kaj/kde/src/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kcontrol/kxkb/x11helper.cpp:37:37: error: X11/extensions/XKBrules.h: No such file or directory.make[2]: *** [workspace/kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kcm_keyboard_layout.dir/x11helper.o] Error 1
[00:33] <stdin> ahh
[00:34] <yan> hi! problem : kubuntu (gutsy) +inspiron 9400 + wifi 3945. all work on windows... in linux, nothing work and the green led stay close even if i do fn+f2. thanx
[00:34] <FroggyTheGreat> stdin - what is the 915 resolution tool?
[00:34] <stdin> BluesKaj: that seem to be in the libxkbfile-dev package, try installing it
[00:35] <yan> lspci | grep -i network correctly identify the card
[00:35] <BluesKaj> right on stdin , thx ..will do that
[00:35] <stdin> FroggyTheGreat: it lets you set the native resolution for your GPU
[00:35] <FroggyTheGreat> I mean, where does one find it?
[00:35] <FroggyTheGreat> Or launch it?
[00:36] <stdin> FroggyTheGreat: you need to edit /etc/default/915resolution to have the settings you want, then it starts at boot
[00:37] <stdin> FroggyTheGreat: or you can start it manually with "sudo /etc/init.d/915resolution restart"
[00:37] <FroggyTheGreat> Let's try that then
[00:38] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, not installed.  Lovely.
[00:38] <FroggyTheGreat> know offhand the apt-get package name?
[00:38] <stdin> "915resolution" ;)
[00:38] <FroggyTheGreat> wooga
[00:38] <yan> i don't want to spam but anyone read my problem?
[00:39] <stdin> yan: if you have gutsy, setup a wired connection then go to system settings > advanced > restricted drivers
[00:39] <WaltzingAlong> yan: and you need a module that correctly interfaces with it
[00:41] <yan> "need to install the  package linux-restricted-modules for this to work"
[00:41] <yan> i uninstalled it cuz i have to install nvidia driver and they say to do that..
[00:42] <stdin> you should use the packaged driver too
[00:42] <stdin> and you are going to need the restricted packages to get the wireless working
[00:42] <stdin> (i'm thinking it's a broadcom)
[00:42] <yan> will installing that package will disturb my nvidia driver installed with envy?
[00:43] <stdin> eww, envy, BAD
[00:43] <WaltzingAlong> !envy | yan
[00:43] <ubotu> yan: envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[00:43] <stdin> just use the restricted manager an prey envy hasn't broken anything
[00:43] <yan> well.. it solved a lot of problem
[00:44] <WaltzingAlong> pray*
[00:44] <stdin> heh, thanks WaltzingAlong
[00:44] <WaltzingAlong> usually it steals from peter to pay paul
[00:44] <i00nsu__> something strange here... i edit last boot rc.local with this line> sh /home/user/scripts/mount.user and the boot up stoped... now i am on live cd mode, started qtparted and i have two swap partitions... ":> what was wrong with the rc.local comand, and can i delete one of the swap partiions >?
[00:44] <WaltzingAlong> looks like something works, it does even, but several other things are broken that show up later
[00:44] <ubuntu__> i love kde xD
[00:45] <yan> so i need to reinstall kubuntu ?
[00:45] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu__: maybe you wanted & at the end of that?
[00:45] <BluesKaj> stdin, ok , make looks like it finished with no errors , but should I run cmake again since it finished at 65% during the previous step ?
[00:45] <FroggyTheGreat> Oookay, 915reesolution is not finding 1680x1050, which is my LCD's intended resolution.
[00:45] <WaltzingAlong> yan: perhaps not.
[00:46] <stdin> BluesKaj: cmake is like the running "./configure" you should only need to run it once. but running it again will do no harm
[00:46] <yan> i should install restricted driver with apt-get or aptitude?
[00:46] <WaltzingAlong> yan: either or
[00:47] <WaltzingAlong> yan: but you can use the restricted manager to do it for you
[00:47] <BluesKaj> stdin, /usr/bin/cmake -E cmake_progress_report /home/kaj/kde/build/KDE/kdebase/CMakeFiles  100
[00:47] <BluesKaj> [100%] Built target krootimage
[00:47] <DreadKnight> test
[00:47] <stdin> DreadKnight: faild
[00:48] <FroggyTheGreat> So 915resolution isn't finding the right resolution mode - it's not on the list.  Any ideas?
[00:48] <DreadKnight> omg >_<
[00:48] <i00nsu__> well... so kubuntu can run with two swap partions... and is nothing wrong with that? ok... and the end of rc.local file have this line> exit:0 ... this should be the probl?
[00:48] <stdin> BluesKaj: ok, seems it's all good then :)
[00:49] <DreadKnight> is there a desktop recording software using qt ... something similar to recordmydesktop_gtk ?
[00:49] <BluesKaj> stdin, coolness :) thx
[00:49] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu__: perhaps take a look at one of the other rc scripts to get a feel for what they contain
[00:49] <WaltzingAlong> !find recordmydesktop
[00:49] <ubotu> Found: gtk-recordmydesktop, krecordmydesktop, recordmydesktop
[00:49] <WaltzingAlong> not as nifty but yes
[00:49] <WaltzingAlong> !info krecordmydesktop DreadKnight
[00:49] <ubotu> krecordmydesktop: kde frontend to recordmydesktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1~alpha1+debian-1 (gutsy), package size 75 kB, installed size 300 kB
[00:49] <DreadKnight> WaltzingAlong: thanks :)
[00:50] <yan> ok restricted driver r install
[00:50] <yan> my card is checked and status : in use
[00:50] <stdin> !away > Aresilek|Away
[00:50] <WaltzingAlong> DreadKnight: through launching it from konsole with 'recordmydesktop' is not so tough (and the krecordmydesktop seems to be missing lots of the options)
[00:50] <yan> i still dont see the green led and kwifimanager dont detect it
[00:51] <WaltzingAlong> yan: and now in konsole any wifi extensions with   iwconfig  ?
[00:51] <yan> same
[00:51] <yan> nothign found
[00:51] <yan> do i have to reboot?
[00:51] <DreadKnight> :)
[00:52] <DreadKnight> kinda bad most application start or use "K" xD
[00:52] <DreadKnight> ~s
[00:52] <yan> ok im rebooting
[00:53] <WaltzingAlong> ok yan you know where to find us
[00:55] <i00nsu__> something very very wrong here... none of the drives here is qtparted is the old drive instalation, so i cannot redit rc.local to delete the line...
[00:56] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu__: booted from the livecd? then you may wish to mount your local hd
[00:56] <i00nsu__> yes
[00:56] <i00nsu__> hm
[00:57] <i00nsu__> i have mounted all partiotion and none of them is the real
[00:57] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu__: otherwise in the 'livecd' the hd that appears there is not your computer's hd
[00:57] <i00nsu__> thats right
[00:57] <i00nsu__> so _
[00:57] <yan> back
[00:57] <yan> the reboot helped
[00:57] <yan> led is flashing
[00:57] <yan> iwconfig detect
[00:58] <yan> now i have to set wpa.. going to google for it.. thanks again guys
[00:58] <WaltzingAlong> great glad you got it going yan
[00:59] <yan> i just hope nothing break cuz of envy
[00:59] <yan> i need official nvidia driver, else i could not do dual screen...
[00:59] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu__: so figure out which device that should be. qtparted should show it. then which partition, mount it        sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/otherdrive -o defaults,rw       something like that
[00:59] <yan> and the normal instal break xserver
[00:59] <yan> only envy worked..
[00:59] <WaltzingAlong> yan, ok. or manual; and now restricted manager takes care of it
[01:00] <m_tadeu> hi...does anyone knows if kaffeine supports .sub files?
[01:00] <i00nsu__> but WaltzingAlong if i try to startup normaly i can go sleep and to boot is stoped in  execution rc.local ..
[01:00] <FroggyTheGreat> Okay, 915resolution doesn't seem to find the right graphics mode I want - there aren't any widescreen modes listed.
[01:01] <DreadKnight> m_tadeu: yes it does :)
[01:01] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu__: yeah sorry i do not know enough about manually editing scripts there. look at some of the existing ones, follow that pattern; in the livecd you could mount the partition on the hard drive inside your computer (i just sent that command). then you could edit the files as needed through /media/otherdrive/etc/ and so on
[01:02] <FroggyTheGreat> I've got the xserver-xorg-video-i810 and xserver-xorg-video-intel packages installed -would they be conflicting?
[01:02] <i00nsu__> the real is not here. WaltzingAlong it is not! sould i try mount /dev/ghost ?
[01:02] <m_tadeu> DreadKnight: well I'm trying to play an avi with a .sub that has the same name. it shows in the subtitles combo box, but no text on screen
[01:03] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu__: that is a trick in itself
[01:03] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone know which driver I need to be using for my Intel 845 graphics card?
[01:03] <FroggyTheGreat> This worked before I upgraded to Gutsy, and I know it's a simple fix...
[01:04] <WaltzingAlong> FroggyTheGreat:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto  ?
[01:04] <WaltzingAlong> FroggyTheGreat: or restricted manager takes care of it?
[01:04] <FroggyTheGreat> Restricted manager is what?
[01:05] <WaltzingAlong> kmenu/system settings/advanced/restricted manager; ease the management of installing the restricted modules/drivers
[01:06] <FroggyTheGreat> thanks.
[01:06] <FroggyTheGreat> Says my hardware doesn't need restricted drivers.
[01:07] <BluesKaj> oh well, I tried ..gonna take a break from the kde4 pursuit ..still on 3.58 so I dunno where to go from here, altho kde4 appeared to install , I see no evidence of it in the login
[01:08] <FroggyTheGreat> Nevertheless, it's either I get 1600x1200 and it's squished to fit into 16680x1050, or I get 1680x1050, but with a moveable 1024x768 viewport.
[01:09] <FroggyTheGreat> Does the fact that I have two xserver-xorg-video packages installed hurt me?
[01:09] <MilitantPotato> FroggyTheGreat: resolution is rarely a video driver problem...
[01:09] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok.
[01:09] <MilitantPotato> atleast from what I've seen.
[01:09] <FroggyTheGreat> Any ideas, then?
[01:09] <FroggyTheGreat> I've done all the software and config-file things I know to do.
[01:09] <WaltzingAlong> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel | FroggyTheGreat
[01:09] <ubotu> froggythegreat: xserver-xorg-video-intel: X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver. In component main, is optional. Version 2:2.1.1-0ubuntu9 (gutsy), package size 173 kB, installed size 476 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm armeb armel hppa hurd-i386 i386 ia64 kfreebsd-i386 lpia m68k mips mipsel netbsd-i386 powerpc)
[01:10] <i00nsu__> ok ... i think this is nonsense... i will reinstall kubuntu
[01:10] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, that's a lot of information, but it's gibberish.  I think.
[01:10]  * BluesKaj wonders where KDE4 hides out after installation
[01:10] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj:  /usr/lib/kde4 ?
[01:11] <yan> back, wifi wpa up and running...
[01:11] <WaltzingAlong> FroggyTheGreat: so in feisty and gutsy xserver-xorg-video-intel replaces i8xx and i9xx (you reported having 845)
[01:11] <yan> i would like to thanks you guys for you're help
[01:11] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, so I uninstall i810 then.
[01:12] <FroggyTheGreat> right?
[01:12] <BluesKaj> WaltzingAlong, nope :(
[01:13] <MilitantPotato> FroggyTheGreat: install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[01:13] <WaltzingAlong> FroggyTheGreat: and no problem having more packages installed; could install xserver-xorg-video-all; pick which you want in         sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh           (intel)
[01:14] <FroggyTheGreat> xserver-xorg-video-all makes the others redundant then?
[01:15] <WaltzingAlong> just a meta package to grab all of them
[01:15] <MilitantPotato> it will check them all for you if I recall correctly.
[01:16] <MilitantPotato> !offtopic > militantpotato
[01:16] <FroggyTheGreat> Hunh.  I wonder why the system administration app won't let me change the video drivers through the gui.
[01:17] <inaety> how can i have the alt+f2 open to swiftfox instead of konqueror when i enter a web address?
[01:17] <WaltzingAlong> inaety: change default browser
[01:17] <inaety> WaltzingAlong: under what?
[01:17] <inaety> is there something in kcontrol
[01:18] <raylu> inaety, search for keyboard shortcuts in kcontrol
[01:18] <MilitantPotato> FroggyTheGreat: you can edit your xorg.conf to load the intel drivers, or reconfigure xserver
[01:18] <WaltzingAlong> inaety: yes search default applications
[01:18] <raylu> oh, wait, you want default applications
[01:18] <MilitantPotato> The GUI bit doesn't work for me either.
[01:18] <inaety> WaltzingAlong: ah i just found it.  that was too easy, sorry to waste your time
[01:19] <WaltzingAlong> inaety: ha ha ;)
[01:19] <raylu> why doesn't firefox's "check now" for default browser work in gutsy and
[01:19] <raylu> is <IP_ADDRESS> in backports?
[01:20] <m_tadeu> anyone? my kaffeine is not playing .sub files
[01:20] <raylu> sub files are subtitles, aren't they?
[01:20] <m_tadeu> yup
[01:20] <raylu> oh, you mean read them?
[01:20] <inaety> m_tadeu: you right click in the video, go to subtitles, and choose them, i thought?
[01:21] <WaltzingAlong> are the 2.x.x.x firefox releases anything other than fixes for when on ms windows?
[01:21] <m_tadeu> I do...the subtitles are selected but don't apear on screen
[01:21] <WaltzingAlong> m_tadeu: not sure. in vlc i need to load subtitles by selecting from a menu
[01:21] <FroggyTheGreat> IT WORKED!
[01:21] <FroggyTheGreat> Thank you, all who helped me.
[01:22] <BluesKaj> Wonder what's wrong: ssh -X kde-devel@localhost     ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused
[01:23] <m_tadeu> BluesKaj: I think you can't ssh to localhost....as far as I know
[01:23] <m_tadeu> BluesKaj: my mistake...you can :)
[01:24] <BluesKaj> well , the instructions : You can now run KDE 4 programs (e.g. kwrite) by typing: ssh -X kde-devel@localhost
[01:25] <m_tadeu> do you have openssh-server installed?
[01:25] <FroggyTheGreat> Oo, here's an offhand semiflamebait question - Anyone succeeded in getting Amarok to administer a Zune?
[01:25] <WaltzingAlong> openssh-server installed and allowusers set to allow kde-devel (or the new user you created)
[01:25] <FroggyTheGreat> ...not bloody likely, I'm thinking.
[01:26] <WaltzingAlong> FroggyTheGreat: not sure. try a search or check in kde or amarok channels: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3708120
[01:26] <ignoramus> Need help with permissions...
[01:26] <WaltzingAlong> FroggyTheGreat: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+question/16373
[01:27] <raylu> !permissions
[01:27] <ubotu> An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[01:27] <WaltzingAlong> ignoramus: you _may_ ask your questions here :) those kinds of permissions?
[01:27] <raylu> lol
[01:27] <FroggyTheGreat> Whoah, there's an answer for that.
[01:27] <raylu> o.0
[01:27] <WaltzingAlong> !anything | FroggyTheGreat, almost anything ;D
[01:27] <ubotu> FroggyTheGreat, almost anything ;D: So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[01:27] <ignoramus> i copied a bunch of music from another computer to dvd, and transferred the files to a folder in dolphin... (more coming)
[01:27] <FroggyTheGreat> Heh
[01:28] <FroggyTheGreat> So now the question is - do I have partition space I want to dump into a Win2K vmware?
[01:28] <ignoramus> a few didn't take (they are reading as "0kb"), so now when i try to overwrite them with a "good" version of the file, permission is denied
[01:28] <WaltzingAlong> ignoramus: sudo chown ignoramus:ignoramus /home/ignoramus/ -R              should reset them                  or you could check the permissions of them
[01:28] <ignoramus> i can copy them to another foler, and *then* overwrite, but not from disc. what gives?
[01:29] <ignoramus> waltzingalong: i'll try that... brb
[01:29] <WaltzingAlong> FroggyTheGreat: you could use a file to store the virtual hd used in vmware
[01:29] <m_tadeu> ignoramus: since you copied from a cd/dvd permissions might be as read only
[01:30] <BluesKaj> heh , kde-devel@localhost is asking for a password , it never asked me to create one :)
[01:30] <FroggyTheGreat> Yeah, but it's more a matter of do I feel like bothering, or do I e-bay this Zune off for more than I paid for it?
[01:30] <ignoramus> m_tadeu: even though i enabled read/write permissions for all users with this particular folder?
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: "sudo passwd kde-devel"
[01:31] <stacey> is there a good dvd copying program that anyone can reccomend?  one that backs up movie dvds and compresses them when necessary?
[01:31] <m_tadeu> ignoramus: try checking the permissions of that specific file
[01:31] <WaltzingAlong> !info k9copy | stacey
[01:31] <ubotu> stacey: k9copy: DVD backup tool for KDE. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.3-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 1409 kB, installed size 2748 kB
[01:31] <raylu> stacey, that's not dvd copying...
[01:31] <ignoramus> m_tadeu: it seems to be all the files in my "Music" folder
[01:32] <stacey> right i'm looking for something thats similar to dvd xcopy in windows
[01:32] <raylu> ignoramus, but what are the permissions?
[01:32] <stacey> compress and copy for dvd movies
[01:32] <WaltzingAlong> ignoramus: m_tadeu: yes my reply was typed when you mentioned about dolphin and ... well liked mentioned, may be other issues than just kdesu issues
[01:32] <ignoramus> raylu: for the folder?
[01:32] <WaltzingAlong> !info k9copy | stacey, this is it
[01:32] <ubotu> stacey, this is it: k9copy: DVD backup tool for KDE. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.3-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 1409 kB, installed size 2748 kB
[01:32] <WaltzingAlong> !backups | stacey
[01:32] <ubotu> stacey: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[01:32] <raylu> ignoramus, the permissions for whatever you're getting denied for
[01:32] <stacey> ok great thanks!
[01:32] <WaltzingAlong> !dvd | stacey
[01:32] <ubotu> stacey: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:32] <raylu> ignoramus, ls -l filenamhere; paste that output here
[01:33] <ignoramus> raylu: hang on... copying a couple gigs into another folder- system is dragging
[01:34] <ignoramus> raylu: if i run dolphin or konqueror as superuser, i can overwrite all files, but not if i just pop in a disc and try to overwrite the files in a folder
[01:34] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, pls explain , never seen sudo and password in the same command
[01:34] <raylu> ok...so what are the permissions ignoramus
[01:34] <raylu> BluesKaj, you're running the passwd command with su privilages
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: "sudo passwd kde-devel" sets the password for kde-devel
[01:34] <raylu> the passwd command takes an argument for username
[01:35] <ignoramus> raylu: will post... disc is almost done copying to different folder...
[01:35] <m_tadeu> ignoramus: try "sudo chown +r *" in the folder
[01:36] <m_tadeu> ignoramus: sorry "sudo chmod +r *"
[01:36] <raylu> it'd still help to know what it was before
[01:37] <raylu> if this is from a cd, his fstab might be messed uip
[01:37] <raylu> *up
[01:37] <ignoramus> m_tadeu: i have to "cd" to that folder in konsole, right?
[01:37] <draik> How do I download a DEB from the repos?
[01:37] <draik> I want aptoncd.DEB
[01:37] <raylu> ignoramus, yes, or chmod +r dir1/dir2/dir3/*
[01:37] <WaltzingAlong> draik: aptitude download package
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> draik: you can navigate the repositories..
[01:37] <draik> WaltzingAlong: Thank you
[01:37] <draik> nosrednaekim: How? Using what?
[01:38] <raylu> a web browser
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> draik: web browser/
[01:38] <m_tadeu> raylu: most probably, since files are RO in the dvd, they are copyed with those permissions
[01:38] <ignoramus> raylu: chmod: missing operand after `+r*'
[01:38] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, afraid that's not working for me ..says kde-devel is an unknown user
[01:38] <WaltzingAlong> draik: or browse to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ and so forth
[01:38] <raylu> ignoramus, there's a space after the r
[01:38] <ignoramus> aha
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: did you creat the kde-devel user?
[01:38] <BluesKaj> when
[01:38] <raylu> BluesKaj, then it looks like that ssh login will never pass
[01:39] <BluesKaj> it asked me for a pw before i had a chance to create one
[01:39] <m_tadeu> BluesKaj: didn't you create the user?
[01:40] <raylu> BluesKaj, sudo cat /etc/passwd | grep kde-devel
[01:40] <ignoramus> m_tadeu | raylu: the chmod +r *  doesn't help
[01:40] <BluesKaj> it never asked for a user
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj:  ok :D run the command "sudo adduser kde-devel" you may also want to install the ssh server if you don't have in installed
[01:40] <raylu> ignoramus, what did it do/say?
[01:41] <stacey> I installed a program (facturalux) but it isnt in the K menu....it wont start with katapult either.  Can anyone tell me how I would go about starting it?
[01:42] <ignoramus> raylu: it didn't say anything - just went to next command prompt
[01:42] <m_tadeu> stacey: sometimes, running "kbuildsyscoca" helps
[01:42] <FroggyTheGreat> Does anyone know of any problems using Amaroq with a Creative Labs Zen Touch(tm)?
[01:42] <stacey> running it how?....sorry...noobish still
[01:42] <[ka]killer> only problem ive had with mp3 players is my zune =(
[01:42] <m_tadeu> ignoramus: but, is it still denying the overwrite?
[01:42] <ignoramus> i'm wondering if you are supposed to be allowed to overwrite files on HDD from disc
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> FroggyTheGreat: from what i;ve heard, zens work well.
[01:43] <flaccid> anyone have azureus working with sun java on gutsy?
[01:43] <FroggyTheGreat> Cool.
[01:43] <ignoramus> m_tadeu: yes
[01:43] <raylu> ignoramus, the problem is when you copied them. you could modify the permissions on the HDD, but it'd be better to fix the disc
[01:43] <ignoramus> raylu: i know :/
[01:43] <raylu> ignoramus; and the fact that it didn't say anything when you chmodded the directory means that there was nothing there, so you probably don't have r to the directory
[01:44] <raylu> and/or you didn't sudo the command
[01:44] <m_tadeu> ignoramus: can you type this under the folder "ls -la | grep damn_filename"? and paste the result here?
[01:44] <BluesKaj> bah! , kde-devel is 3.5.8 ,not 4.0 :(
[01:44] <raylu> m_tadeu, you can actually ls a single file
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: eh? did you compile/install kde4?
[01:45] <m_tadeu> raylu: :D you're right...bad habit
[01:45] <ignoramus> !pastebin
[01:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:45] <raylu> BluesKaj, wtf? did you compile the wrong version of kde?
[01:45] <[ka]killer> im just waiting for the release of KDE4
[01:45] <[ka]killer> betas and me dont mix well >.>
[01:46] <ignoramus> m_tadeu: for some reason, it's telling me that file doesn't exist.... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44674/
[01:46] <BluesKaj> yeah nosrednaekim Iran the svn version install, but guess it din't install properly :( ...everything seemed ok after cmake and make ...had a few glitches that stdin helped me with bit it seemed fine
[01:47] <ice9__> trying to upgrade adept wizard saying close adept and use the upgrade tool where is the upgrade tool ?
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: oh... you need to make a kdm session entry.
[01:47] <raylu> ice9__, adept wizard?
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: just a sec.//
[01:47] <stdin> ice9__: just click the button, it'll run automatically
[01:47] <raylu> ignoramus, when you use spaces, it thinks it's a new argument
[01:48] <ice9__> I did click finish and nothing happened
[01:48] <raylu> either way, you don't need to grep the file, you can just ls the filename. and, because you don't have r to the directory, you'll need to sudo it
[01:48] <ice9__> it verified the upgrade tool but still nothing
[01:48] <ice9__> can't find it
[01:48] <ice9__> can I do it by command line
[01:48] <ignoramus> raylu: but i can't if the filename has spaces?
[01:48] <m_tadeu> ignoramus: it's because of the spaces...put the filename between "...ls -la | grep "Aerosmith - - Dream On.mp3"
[01:48] <raylu> ignoramus, you can by using  quotations or "\ "
[01:48] <[ka]killer> lol
[01:49] <raylu> again, ls -l Aero*
[01:49] <raylu> would probably be easier
[01:49] <stdin> ice9__: if you install "update-manager-core" you can do "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[01:49] <ice9__> k
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: http://nosrednaekim.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/kde4-or-bust-building-kde4/
[01:49] <raylu> oh, that upgrade wizard.
[01:50] <ignoramus> raylu: here, i changed a filename so no spaces.  Output = -r-xr-xr-x 1 user user 9274601 2006-12-05 12:40 Music.mp3
[01:50] <ice9__> File "/usr/bin/do-release-upgrade", line 5, in <module>
[01:50] <ice9__>     import apt
[01:52] <mike-kubuntu> hey guys, quake4 wont run for me on amd64
[01:52] <m_tadeu> ignoramus: :D my mistake again "chmod +w *" and not +r
[01:52] <mike-kubuntu> fails at opening libgl through sdl
[01:52] <ignoramus> m_tadeu: :) lemme try again
[01:52] <raylu> why are they owned by "user"?
[01:52] <raylu> oh...that's your username
[01:52] <ignoramus> raylu: u got it
[01:53] <raylu> that's a ...lame username =\
[01:53] <ice9__> where is apt located
[01:53] <raylu> ice9__, apt the binary or it's configuration files?
[01:53] <ignoramus> raylu: that's just what I put to post here ;)
[01:53] <ice9__> ./var/lib/apt
[01:53] <ice9__> I dunno just says apt
[01:53] <raylu> ignoramus, oh.
[01:53] <raylu> ice
[01:53] <raylu> what says apt?
[01:53] <raylu> if you're looking for "apt," you're doing something wrong
[01:54] <ice9__> python error
[01:54] <ice9__> import error
[01:54] <raylu> ok...mind pasting the output?
[01:54] <ice9__> apt-get works just fine
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: apt in that case is a python module
[01:55] <[ka]killer> oyasuminasai
[01:55] <ignoramus> m_tadeu: crap! the "sudo chmod +w *" works!
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: you many want to get the package "python-apt"
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> ignoramus: how... is... that.... crap?
[01:55] <m_tadeu> ignoramus:  :)
[01:55] <ignoramus> as in "oh crap! yes!"
[01:55] <ice9__> already have it
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> :D
[01:55] <ice9__> I could do an export but where is the apt located
[01:55] <ignoramus> can i do that to my home directory, or is that not advised?
[01:56] <raylu> not advised
[01:56] <raylu> that allows anyone to write to your home directory
[01:56] <ignoramus> raylu: i ask because i am the only user
[01:56] <ice9__> is it var/lib/apt
[01:56] <raylu> still not a good idea.
[01:56] <ice9__> or usr/lib/apt
[01:56] <ignoramus> raylu: gotcha... i mess enough stuff up
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: no, neither ofthose places, and there isnot export command in python ;)
[01:57] <raylu> though it's unlikely that anything will harm a single-user system anyway. so...have you modified your fstab, ignoramus?
[01:57] <ignoramus> raylu: to what?
[01:58] <ice9__> yes there is  export PYTHONPATH={$PYTHONPATH}:
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> oh... that. well, I doubt that is your problem, but to test, try this... run "python" and then type in "import apt"
[01:59] <m_tadeu> raylu: I think all files within the /home/user folder are writable....I see no problem on doing it
[01:59] <ignoramus> m_tadeu: i did it anyway ;) ... i like fixing stuff (with a little help, of course)
[01:59] <raylu> m_tadeu, it would set it for o
[02:00] <raylu> and nevermind about fstab
[02:00] <ignoramus> raylu: yeah, my drive works fine for now, so i dont plan on messing with the settings (its set to exec)
[02:00] <draik> I did a fresh install of Kubuntu Gutsy on my friend's computer.
[02:01] <draik> Why his DVD drive won't work is beyond me.
[02:01] <draik> Also, his computer fails to go online when I hook it up to my network.
[02:01] <ice9__>  nope don't have apt
[02:01] <ice9__> wierd
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> draik: did you install with the same dvd drive?
[02:01] <draik> The gateway doesn't stick
[02:01] <ice9__> I do have python-apt
[02:01] <ice9__> though
[02:01] <ignoramus> thanks all- time to get drinks now!  Cheers!
[02:01] <Aresilek> if a dvd doesn't auto-mount, is there a way to force it to?
[02:02] <draik> nosrednaekim: The DVD didn't change. Besides, it didn't work with Feisty. This is a fresh install. I nuked the HDD and paved it with Gutsy.
[02:02] <m_tadeu> ice9__: my system says apt can be found under sun-jave5-sdk....
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> Aresilek: try "sudo mount /dev/cdrom"
[02:02] <Aresilek> thx nosrednaekim
[02:02] <ice9__> apt is in java
[02:02] <ice9__> really
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> Aresilek: actually its.. "sudo mount /dev/cdrom /mnt"... sorry
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> draik: is it a SATA dvd drive?
[02:03] <m_tadeu> ice9__: kinda weird, but...it's what it shows up here
[02:03] <draik> nosrednaekim: Nope. IDE.
[02:03] <Aresilek> nosrednaekim: and if i already did teh first one then what?
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> draik: weird
[02:03] <draik> nosrednaekim: But it wants to go to /dev/scd1
[02:04] <draik> I'm about ready to do a new install
[02:04] <m_tadeu> The program 'apt' can be found in the following packages:
[02:04] <m_tadeu>  * sun-java5-jdk
[02:04] <Aresilek> hmmm, nvm mind it worked
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> Aresilek: if the first one didn't return any errors,that works too :D
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> m_tadeu: the "apt" we are talking aout is not exactly a program
[02:04] <Aresilek> nosrednaekim: it worked thanks
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> XD
[02:05] <draik> nosrednaekim: trying to mount the DVD drive results in "wrong fs type..." it's set to Automatic
[02:05] <m_tadeu> nosrednaekim: oh, sorry then :P
[02:05] <Aresilek> nosrednaekim: and to unmount what do i do? 'sudo umount /dev/cdrom'?
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> draik: try "eject /dev/scd1"
[02:05] <draik> Aresilek: Yes
[02:06] <draik> nosrednaekim: sudo?
[02:06] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, the kwrite export KDEHOME=~/.kde4, can't be saved
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> draik: maybe..
[02:06] <Aresilek> draik: thx
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: oh... did you run it with kdesudo?
[02:06] <draik> nosrednaekim: Nope. Wasn't needed. It ejected the DVD in the DVD drive
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> draik: it means it detects the hardware..
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: oh.... Never mind... just a second
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: saves for me here...
[02:09] <BluesKaj> I'm using the run command ,
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: oh... no, run that command from within the ssh terminal.
[02:09] <draik> nosrednaekim: What do you suggest now?
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> draik: what type of dvd did you put in?
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> draik: data or a movie?
[02:10] <draik> nosrednaekim: Data; APTonCD results.
[02:10] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, nope, can't save it ..."not possible to write to the file"
[02:10] <BluesKaj> either way
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> huh..... did kwrite look any different?
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> like did it look kde4ish?
[02:12] <BluesKaj> dunno, looked the same to me ...din't see any diff
[02:12] <ice9__> python-apt is located at /usr/share/python-apt
[02:12] <ice9__> does that seem right
[02:12] <carbon_monoxide> hello, what is the preferred foreign input method?
[02:12] <ice9__> but I export pythonpath for /usr/share/python-apt
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: wait.... if you dont' want to log in as yourself.... you can skip that step, thats only neccesary if you aren't using the kde-devel user.
[02:12] <BluesKaj> i used kde-devel instead of kde-test
[02:13] <carbon_monoxide> I have some trouble on using skim
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: thats not where it is kept..
[02:13] <ice9__> where is it kept then
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: right.
[02:13] <ice9__> cause I can't find it
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: I shall check
[02:13] <ice9__> thanks
[02:13] <draik> nosrednaekim: When I insert the DVD it doesn't load the queue for an action.
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> draik: hmmm, try another dvd..
[02:14] <draik> nosrednaekim: DVD or data?
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> draik: either.
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt
[02:15] <ice9__> all I have is AptSources
[02:15] <ice9__> hmm
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: and/or /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/apt
[02:15] <draik> nosrednaekim: DVD is closest.
[02:16] <ice9__> and that is python-apt correct
[02:16] <BluesKaj> hmm .. cd .kde4/share/apps: No such file or directory
[02:16] <ice9__> or is it something different
[02:16] <draik> nosrednaekim: Well, it loaded the prompt for action, but when I try Kaffeine, I am told insufficient rights
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: you can skip all of those steps since you aren't loging in as yourself, but as a separate user
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> draik: ah.. good.!
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> draik: now try a data cd.
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> *dvd
[02:17] <draik> nosrednaekim: Hmmm? DVD or data?
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> data DVD
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> :D
[02:21] <ice9__> man I just don't have that dir
[02:21] <ice9__> how can I install it
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: "apt-get install python-apt"
[02:21] <ice9__> or can you just send it to me via email ?
[02:21] <ice9__> I did
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> nah.
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> and it says its installed?
[02:21] <ice9__> but its not there
[02:21] <ice9__> yep
[02:21] <ice9__> can you make me a copy and send it to my email
[02:22] <draik> nosrednaekim: Nothing. No prompt for action
[02:22] <ice9__> Reading package lists... Done
[02:22] <ice9__> Building dependency tree
[02:22] <ice9__> Reading state information... Done
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: try removing that package and reinstalling it
[02:23] <ice9__> k
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> draik: thats odd, since it seems to be working.
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> draik: check you fstab and see what permissions ou gave your cd drive
[02:23] <MilitantPotato> Where do I change what programs are opened after login? it keeps opening my messanger, amarok, and a virtual keyboard
[02:23]  * nosrednaekim isn't good with the fstab though
[02:24] <BluesKaj> heh, kde-devel didn't pick up any of my settings ... what a PITA :(
[02:24] <ice9__> got it sweet
[02:24] <ice9__> wired I trid that before
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: of course it didn't... its a new directory
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> *user
[02:25] <BluesKaj> gonna dump it if possible , not going thru setting everything up again
[02:25] <draik> nosrednaekim: How do I check the fstab?
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: just cpy your currect /home over
[02:25] <ice9__> what the package you need for do-release-upgradde
[02:25] <ice9__> what the package you need for do-release-upgrade
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> sudo cp -R /home/Blueskaj /home/kde-devel
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: no clue
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> !fstab
[02:26] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[02:26] <MilitantPotato> I can't get Adept or Synaptic to run from the K menu, I have to run them from terminal, any ideas?
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: pribably a kdesu/kdesudo problem.
[02:27] <MilitantPotato> nosrednaekim: how would I sort out what exactly, and how to fix it?
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: first, your first question... go to system settings-> advanced-> session manager
[02:31] <MilitantPotato> nosrednaekim: thanks, I disabled restore prev. session.
[02:33] <MilitantPotato> Any idea about the adept and synaptic deal?
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: no... not really, I've just noticed it.
[02:34] <MilitantPotato> hmm
[02:34] <MilitantPotato> kate, gedit, what's another editor?
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> kwrite
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> vim
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> emacs
[02:35] <MilitantPotato> kdesu right?
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> kdesu is not an editor
[02:35] <MilitantPotato> Sorry, for envoking root
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> well, in gutsy its kdesudo
[02:36] <MilitantPotato> !pastebin
[02:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:37] <draik> nosrednaekim: Ok. I did some editing of fstab. RELAX, I did a backup :)
[02:38] <MilitantPotato> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44676/
[02:38] <MilitantPotato> hm...
[02:38] <MilitantPotato> i CAN do sudo gedit path
[02:39] <MilitantPotato> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44677/
[02:39] <MilitantPotato> that's trying to open synaptic
[02:40] <MilitantPotato> weird that sudo works but kdesu/do doesn't
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> kdesudo isn't working? odd..
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> try "gksu"
[02:41] <BluesKaj> it wasn't working for me either kdesu or sudo worked but not kdesudo
[02:43] <MilitantPotato> gksu(do) works fine aswell.
[02:44] <Aresilek> i think i may have asked this before, but is there any way to disable the scroll thingys on the intergrated track pad?
[02:44] <Zombocom> hey
[02:45] <draik> nosrednaekim: rebooted and still get XINE plugin errors Kaffeine cannot play DVD
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> <_<
[02:45] <draik> nosrednaekim: Putting in a data DVD does nothing. Not even mount.
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> hmph.... I really don't have an idea
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> maybe look at the output of dmesg
[02:46] <Zombocom> wait
[02:46] <BluesKaj> draik, install libdvdcss2
[02:46] <MilitantPotato> BluesKaj: did you manage to kdesudo working?
[02:46] <draik> BluesKaj: It is.
[02:46] <Zombocom> are you sure the drive is dvd compatible?
[02:46] <draik> Zombocom: Yes. It's a DVD Burner. I would hope so :)
[02:46] <Zombocom> kk
[02:46] <BluesKaj> MilitantPotato, I'm not too concerned ...use sudo in the shell and kdesu in the run command
[02:46] <Zombocom> sorry
[02:47] <draik> Zombocom: It's all good. You didn't know.
[02:47] <MilitantPotato> so my K menu for administrative stuff is going to remain broken?
[02:47] <Dragnslcr> Aresilek- if so, it should be in ksynaptics
[02:48] <Zombocom> I have a question: I would like to use my screensaver as a desktop background, and I've found plenty of information on how to do it with nautilus, but not with kde.  is there any way to do it in KDE?
[02:48] <heinkel_112> Hello
[02:49] <DRtuxthepenguin> why is strigi weak
[02:49] <Zombocom> anyone have a solution?
[02:50] <ice9__> 007-11-15 20:47:49,665 ERROR pre-requists item 'http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/release-upgrader-dpkg/release-upgrader-dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu11.2_i386.udeb' is NOT trusted
[02:50] <ice9__> wtf
[02:50] <heinkel_112> i have finally got a download of gutsy. I am pondering upgrade tactics. Wipe clean and new install or using the upgrade wizard this time? got some recommended reading?
[02:50] <Zombocom> Drtux: strigi pisses me off to no end
[02:50] <ice9__> not trusted
[02:50] <MilitantPotato> missing a key :)
[02:50] <ice9__> happens everytime I try to upgrade
[02:51] <ice9__> what key am I missing
[02:51] <BluesKaj> I don't understand strigi ...itdoesn't do anything for me ...I prefer to use  locate: in the konq addressbar
[02:51] <Zombocom> locate: is still there?
[02:51] <Zombocom> sweet
[02:51] <ardchoille> Zombocom: there is a way to do that with a screensaver, something about the option "-root" to draw it on the root window (desktop) but I forgot how
[02:52] <Zombocom> ardchoille: where can I find that out?
[02:53] <Zombocom> ardchoille: I tried google but I didn't come up with anything other than the nautilus instructions
[02:53] <ardchoille> Zombocom: I found it, tested and it works :)
[02:53] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Open kcontrol and I'll guide you trhu it
[02:54] <Zombocom> k
[02:54] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Go to Desktop > Behavior
[02:54] <Zombocom> alright?
[02:54] <ardchoille> Zombocom: second checkbox "Allow programs in desktop window" check it
[02:55] <Zombocom> apply?
[02:55] <ardchoille> yes
[02:55] <MilitantPotato> well for somereason the wacom device in xorg was uncommented, removed those, now to sort out why kdesudo doesn't work.
[02:56] <ardchoille> Zombocom: ls /usr/lib/xscreensaver   <-- choose a screensaver and launch it with: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/galaxy -root  (replace "galaxy" with a scr of your choice)
[02:56] <Zombocom> ardchoille: what next
[02:56] <ardchoille> Zombocom: You should then see the screensaver as your desktop wallpaper
[02:57] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Keep in mind that some of the screensavers will eat up a lot of your CPU
[02:57] <draik> What can I do to get the DVD player to see my data DVD? I want to get some apps installed
[02:58] <Zombocom> ardchoille: I don't have a directory called /usr/lib/xscreensaver
[02:59] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Holf on..
[03:00] <ardchoille> Zombocom: I'm not sure which package I installed provides it, maybe kdeartwork
[03:00] <mrtimbo> does anyone else have a problem with the tap to click settings being saved
[03:01] <ardchoille> Zombocom: That's not it, still looking for it..
[03:01] <Zombocom> ardchoille: thank you
[03:03] <mrtimbo> does anyone else have a problem with the tap to click settings being saved
[03:04] <FroggyTheGreat> Hmm.  What's an easy way to uninstall GNOME?
[03:04] <ardchoille> Zombocom: I don't remember which package provides is, but you can onstall xscreensaver and xscreensaver-data and get all the screensavers
[03:05] <Zombocom> ardchoille: I think it's just in /usr/bin
[03:06] <Zombocom> ardchoille: because I checked the kscreensaver thing and it said that
[03:06] <mrtimbo> does anyone else in here use ksynaptics?
[03:06] <ardchoille> Zombocom: That may be the binaryitself, but testing here with "/usr/lib/xscreensaver/galaxy -root" works great
[03:07] <ToddEDM> any of you guys notice that since installing Ubuntu on a laptop, that the screen is not as bright as it was in XP?
[03:07] <ToddEDM> kububuntu
[03:07] <BluesKaj> no joy..kde4 won't start ...some error reverts back to 3.5.8 ...dunno what kde-devel is supposed to do but i seems like a seperate desktop altogether ...anyway , now I'm stuck with 2 extra destops that don't work , it seems
[03:07] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Try: find /usr -name xscreensaver
[03:07] <FroggyTheGreat> Any pointers on completely uninstalling Gnome?
[03:08] <mrtimbo> my kubuntu is just as bright as vista i just had to turn the brightness up with keyboard shortcuts
[03:08] <ToddEDM> hmmmmm
[03:09] <ToddEDM> whats the keyboard shortcut.. just Fn ->
[03:09] <mrtimbo> Fn+ the brightness key, mine are blue keys
[03:09] <mrtimbo> looks like a sun
[03:09] <ToddEDM> yeah, you on an acer laptop?
[03:09] <mrtimbo> yes
[03:09] <ToddEDM> me too
[03:09] <mrtimbo> aspire 5610z
[03:09] <sn00zer> when i run aptitude it wants to uninstall all my kde programs but i still use them, how do i fix this?
[03:10] <mrtimbo> hold down the fn key and brightness key at the same time
[03:10] <sn00zer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44678/
[03:10] <FroggyTheGreat> So if I were to select all GNOME packages in Adept and "Request Purging", is that a bad idea?
[03:10] <ToddEDM> yeah i have it as high as it goes
[03:10] <mrtimbo> huh, do you have it on powersave?
[03:10] <mrtimbo> or a dark theme?
[03:10] <RandMC_> Gutsy Gibbon install had some errors halfway, and then tried again and gutsy doesn't recognize my wifi card. (i am currently on a windows machine) decided to install Dapper Drake, but it can't recognize my wifi card, waiting to see if Feisty Fawn CD is found and install that.
[03:10] <ToddEDM> no, theme is not dark
[03:11] <ToddEDM> powersave.. dunno
[03:11] <mrtimbo> what model do you have?
[03:11] <ToddEDM> 9300-5024
[03:12] <MilitantPotato> when I try to run kdesu(do) i get the following: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server, Xlib: No protocol specified, kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[03:13] <sn00zer> any ideas on my aptitude problem?
[03:14] <draik> ardchoille: Hello. How are you?
[03:15] <ardchoille> Hi draik :)
[03:17] <Zombocom> ardchoille: what is it that the command does
[03:17] <ardchoille> Zombocom: that command runs the selected screensaver in the root window
[03:18] <Zombocom> ohkay
[03:18] <Zombocom> so If I knew where the screensaver was
[03:18] <Zombocom> I could modify the command?
[03:18] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Try: find /usr -name xscreensaver
[03:18] <Zombocom> it doesn't return anything
[03:18] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Yes, the galaxy screensaver even has a man page
[03:18] <Zombocom> locate: xscreensaver
[03:19] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Did you update the slocate database before using locate?
[03:19] <MilitantPotato> I fixed it, :) xhost +local:<username>
[03:19] <Zombocom> locate: returns stuff
[03:19] <Zombocom> find doesn't
[03:19] <MilitantPotato> BluesKaj: xhost +local:username worked for me.
[03:20] <ardchoille> Zombocom: ok, use the path/screensaver with the -root option
[03:22] <Zombocom> ok
[03:25] <ice9__> damn never going to be able to upgrade to gusty
[03:25] <ice9__> lol
[03:25] <ice9__> now getting source not trusted
[03:25] <ice9__> wth
[03:25] <MilitantPotato> ice9 are you on feisty?
[03:25] <ice9__> yes
[03:26] <MilitantPotato> !repositories
[03:26] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:26] <ice9__> should I add those
[03:26] <MilitantPotato> nah
[03:26] <MilitantPotato> was reading it :)
[03:27] <ice9__> k
[03:28] <MilitantPotato> great time for ubuntu wiki to be down :)
[03:28] <MilitantPotato> oh wait there's a command
[03:28] <ardchoille> MilitantPotato: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/  works here
[03:29] <MilitantPotato> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty
[03:29] <MilitantPotato> does that?
[03:29] <ice9__> I don't get that manage-repos window to pop up either
[03:29] <ice9__> and yes I do have software-properties-kde installed
[03:30] <MilitantPotato> there's a command to re-install the default repos
[03:30] <ardchoille> MilitantPotato: Oh, I thought you meant *the* ubuntu wiki
[03:30] <MilitantPotato> i just can't remember it.
[03:30] <ardchoille> !easysource
[03:30] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:31] <Zombocom> ardchoille: I've found the screensavers
[03:31] <Zombocom> they end with .desktop
[03:32] <MilitantPotato> ice9__: go to the place ardchoille posted
[03:32] <MilitantPotato> that should get your sources/keys sorted, hopefully.
[03:33] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Those are .desktop files, not the screensavers themselves. you can open a .desktop file in kate and look at the "Exec" command to see what the .desktop file actually launches
[03:34] <BluesKaj> ardchoille, I've decided against trying to use kde4 since it's broken ..and I'd like to free the space it uses on the hdd ...got any advice how to uninstall it ?
[03:35] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: Sorry, no.
[03:35] <MilitantPotato> install something that conflicts with it and pray? :)
[03:35] <ardchoille> I don't use beta apps unless they come installed with the system.. learned my lesson before.
[03:35] <BluesKaj> stdin, you still around ?
[03:35] <stdin> tired, but still here
[03:36] <BluesKaj> yeah, my kde4 install is broken and i domn't feel much like fighting to make it work... what's the uninstall procedure
[03:37] <ice9__> nope same untrusted error
[03:37] <stdin> BluesKaj: it's just "rm -rf /place/I/installed/kde4/to"
[03:37] <ice9__> is it pulling it from another sources.list maybe
[03:37] <BluesKaj> hehe stdin
[03:37] <Zombocom> ardchoille: am I looking for the file that the kss file actually executes?
[03:37] <Zombocom> I mean
[03:37] <Zombocom> .desktop file launches a .kss file
[03:39] <ardchoille> Does that work on the desktop?
[03:39] <chino_> hi, I need some help
[03:39] <Zombocom> wait
[03:39] <Zombocom> so I run the command -root?
[03:39] <ice9__> there is a prerequists-sources.list
[03:39] <ice9__> in sources.list.d
[03:39] <chino_> i try to install flash player 9 in koqueror
[03:40] <ice9__> can I change the name
[03:40] <ardchoille> Zombocom: No, you run: /path/screensaver --root
[03:40] <ice9__> you think that might work better
[03:40] <ardchoille> Zombocom: No, you run: /path/screensaver -root
[03:41] <Zombocom> so I type in /path/screensaver -root as in the path to the file containing the screensaver?
[03:42] <ardchoille> Zombocom: That should work
[03:42] <Zombocom> k
[03:42] <ice9__> can you delete sources.list.d ?
[03:43] <ardchoille> ice9__: Why would you want to do that?
[03:43] <ice9__> cause thats were the prerequists for the repos are
[03:44] <ice9__> and thats the error I  am getting when upgrading to gusty
[03:44] <ardchoille> ice9__: My /etc/apt/sources.list.d is empty, most of your sources are in the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[03:44] <ice9__> no trusted sources
[03:46] <posingaspopular> how to get LaTek?
[03:46] <Zombocom> I ran it
[03:46] <ice9__> apt-cache search latek
[03:46] <Zombocom> and it appears that the screensaver isn't running
[03:47] <ice9__> then apt-get install <packagename>
[03:47] <ice9__> Getting upgrade prerequisites failed
[03:47] <ice9__> The system was unable to get the prerequisites for the upgrade. The upgrade will abort now and restore the original system state.
[03:47] <ardchoille> Zombocom: I don't know what to tell you, it works here
[03:47] <ice9__> thats the error I am getting
[03:47] <chino_> how can i get flash player in konqueror?
[03:48] <ardchoille> !flash
[03:48] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:48] <Zombocom> oh sweet
[03:48] <Zombocom> I did it
[03:48] <Zombocom> euphoria is running in the background
[03:48] <ardchoille> :)
[03:49] <Zombocom> thanks ardchoille
[03:49] <ardchoille> yw
[03:50] <ice9__> http://paste.lisp.org/display/50923.
[03:50] <ice9__> thats up upgrade error
[03:50] <ice9__> everytime
[03:56] <ice9__> can anyone check that out for me
[03:56] <spykedtomato> hi all - since my upgrade to gutsy my keyboard isn't working like it should - I've tried 2 different keyboards but the special keys (Alt Gr) don't work... any ideas?
[04:04] <chino_> i follow the steps in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash but it don't works
[04:04] <chino_> :(
[04:09] <chino_> I install the flashplugin-nonfre then in konqueror i go to Settings → Configure Konqueror -Plugins- Scan for new plugins then i restart the browser, but i don't get flash player
[04:10] <heinkel_111> i have a multiboot installation with two kubuntu partitions. How do I set from which one my machine will find grub at boot-up?
[04:10] <heinkel_111> (i also have a WinXP partition...)
[04:10] <heinkel_111> maybe i should call that two kubuntu installations
[04:11] <heinkel_111> they share a third /home partition but have separate /boot directories
[04:12] <mot_> what's the easiest way to get s-video out working on kubuntu so i can stream stuff to my tc?
[04:12] <mot_> tv*
[04:12] <heinkel_111> now i have upgraded my 64 bit installation to gutsy but grub only starts the feisty version, because it is on the 32 bit installation, and the upgrade process did not fix that
[04:12] <heinkel_111> i seem to be running gutsy with the feisty kernel right now
[04:12] <heinkel_111> ...
[04:15] <heinkel_111> anyone?
[04:15] <Zombocom> hello
[04:15] <heinkel_111> !dualboot
[04:15] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[04:15] <heinkel_111> !multiboot
[04:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about multiboot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:15] <billyd> Hi yas Zombo
[04:29] <juanma> hola
[04:30] <juanma> como funciona esto
[04:34] <bobleny> Hi! Could some one help me please? I was messing around with some settings in Konqueror, trying to get it to open images in Kview.  Now the entire system is incapable of displaying thumbnail images of PNG and JPG files. The only two things I messed with, go figure... Anyways, my question is this, how do I reset the thumbnail preview thingy?
[04:37] <nite613__> Is there a fusion-icon package hiding somewhere in my apt tree? Or an equivalent handy tool for switching wms and decorators?
[04:37] <MarcC> how do I delete root's trash?
[04:38] <DeadJones> heyas
[04:38] <DeadJones> ive got some kicker issues
[04:39] <SudoKing> Can you install internet explorer in kubuntu?
[04:39] <DeadJones> as in .. its not coming up. and when i alt+f2 and type kicker, kicker comes up but task area on the right is garbled
[04:39] <MarcC> SudoKing: sure, just run ies4linux
[04:39] <\dEAD> why would you want to put IE on kubuntu?
[04:39] <SudoKing> no no just kidding
[04:39] <ubuntu_> Can someone tell me why this stupid live cd wont let me unmount my partitions? I need to mess with them.
[04:39] <\dEAD> live cd is just a taste
[04:39] <SudoKing> I just wonderhed how biased M$ was..
[04:39] <ubuntu_> qtparted wont even let me resize one
[04:39] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: and the error is...
[04:39] <jagcorvair> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44680/
[04:40] <\dEAD> you 'probably' could put IE on but its a waste of time and resource
[04:40] <ubuntu_> Tm_T: No error. it just doesnt have an option in qtparted to unmount
[04:40] <Tm_T> SudoKing: don't troll
[04:40] <jagcorvair> Can someone please take a look at the error messages I received from trying to watch a DVD with Kaffeine
[04:40] <jagcorvair> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44680/
[04:40] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: then umount in konsole
[04:40] <SudoKing> I didn't know wthat was trolling...
[04:40] <ubuntu_> Tm_T: It doesnt show on mount -l
[04:40] <ubuntu_> Tm_T: Or maybe i just dont know how
[04:41] <MarcC> jagcorvair: does it work if you start kaffeine with "kdesu kaffeine"?
[04:41] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: mount alone should list enough
[04:41] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: if not, it's not mounted
[04:41] <ubuntu_> Tm_T: It only lists proc, tmpfs, devpts, udev and varrun
[04:41] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: then no mounted
[04:41]  * BluesKaj wonders what fascination ppl have with IE , never understood that :)
[04:41] <ubuntu_> Tm_T: Then how come qt part ed won't allow me to resize one of my partitions?
[04:41] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: no idea
[04:42] <ubuntu_> *sigh*
[04:42] <ubuntu_> wow, this is ridiculous
[04:42] <ubuntu_> if i apt-get on a live, where does it save to?
[04:42]  * ubunturos wonders if apt-get on live, makes sense?
[04:42] <Hirvinen> Well, there are valid motivations(besides questions of preference) to install IE under Linux such as website testing or sites that are built to work only with it...
[04:43] <ubuntu_> because gparted > qtparted
[04:43] <Hirvinen> ubunturos: Yes, e.g. for testing an application not included on the cd or having a need for a newer version.
[04:43] <heinkel_111> is it standard practice in gutsy that my root partition is not visible in /etc/mtab?
[04:44] <heinkel_111> or do i have some kind of problem with the installation?
[04:44] <Tm_T> heinkel_111: latter
[04:44] <heinkel_111> yes
[04:44] <heinkel_111> it appeared rather strange
[04:44] <BluesKaj> Hirvinen, konq can be set to act like IE
[04:44] <ubuntu_> This is bad. QTParted won't let me resize my old linux partition.....
[04:44] <jagcorvair> MarcC: No. It actually crashed after I got the same error message.
[04:44] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: doesn't render like IE though
[04:44] <Tm_T> but this IE discussion is offtopic
[04:45] <Hirvinen> BluesKaj: To report itself as IE, yes. To behave like it, no.
[04:45] <Hirvinen> Yup.
[04:45] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_ , try gparted live cd ..DL and burn it , it's very effective and easy to use
[04:45] <heinkel_111> ubuntu_ is you old linux partition possible to resize then? you can only grow the partition if there is free space
[04:45] <heinkel_111> right next to it
[04:45] <ubuntu_> heinkel_111: I know
[04:45] <MarcC> jagcorvair: and it doesn't play in other media players like VLC?
[04:46] <ubuntu_> *sigh* now QTParted wont even load... cya guys
[04:46] <BluesKaj> anyway it's sacktime here
[04:46] <BluesKaj> nite folks
[04:46] <Hirvinen> ubuntu_: Try gparted, I hear it's better than Qtparted.
[04:47] <MarcC> ahhh, tried 1394 video capture on the dell ubuntu laptop today, first time....worked a charm
[04:47] <jagcorvair> MarcC: This is a new install. I have covered the basics, but I will keep trying. "sudo apt-get install vlc' right?
[04:48] <lisa_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:48] <MarcC> jagcorvair: jep, proabably
[04:48] <MarcC> 0_o
[04:48] <lisa_> ??
[04:48] <lisa_> who r u??
[04:48] <MarcC> !offtopic
[04:48] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:50] <rockets> Hey guys
[04:50] <rockets> How can I make Konversation use a tree-style sidebar for channels, rather then tabs
[04:50] <jagcorvair> MarcC: mount: block device /dev/scd1 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[04:50] <rockets> ah found it.
[04:50] <rockets> also, how do I enable desktop effects?
[04:50] <MarcC> jagcorvair: I would think that's normal with a DVD :-/
[04:51] <jagcorvair> MarcC: Ok. But why can't it play at all?
[04:51] <MarcC> jagcorvair: did you do the CSS magic?
[04:51] <jagcorvair> MarcC: CSS magic?
[04:52] <jagcorvair> MarcC: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[04:52] <jagcorvair> MarcC: Is that it?
[04:52] <MarcC> jagcorvair: I did it through automatix...I don't recall the libdvdcss2 thing doing it for me
[04:52] <jagcorvair> MarcC: Do tell......
[04:53] <jagcorvair> MarcC: What is automatix?
[04:53] <MarcC> jagcorvair: http://getautomatix.com
[04:53] <rockets> Automatix is a fantastic way to break upgrades.
[04:53] <MarcC> just a quick setup utility for common stuff...but some say it's not kosher
[04:54] <MarcC> anyway, if you just want DVD support and are willing to really suck it up on your next dist-upgrade, give it a try :D
[04:54] <jagcorvair> MarcC: What do you mean? What does automatix do?
[04:55] <posingaspopular> someone say it's actively dangerous to the stability of the operating system. matthew made the case here: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/ i you read the third blog down
[04:55] <posingaspopular> some would say*
[04:55] <posingaspopular> if you read*
[04:55] <MarcC> jagcorvair: just read their FAQ...I think it breaks down most of the issues
[04:55] <MarcC> I think you can also remove whatever it installs through the same interface, but I haven't tried that
[04:56] <MarcC> I'm not sure how current most of the complaints/problems are
[04:56] <posingaspopular> ^^ complaints on matthew's blog
[04:57] <rockets> Ok, I'm having an actual "big deal" issue. When I log in to kubuntu with Xgl enabled, its slow as hell. With xgl disasbled its fine.
[04:57] <rockets> There's no problem at all with Xgl under gnome.
[04:58] <MarcC> posingaspopular: yeah, I read that before, but I'm not sure if they haven't addressed those issues since...august
[04:58] <MarcC> not to defend them or anything :(
[04:59] <spykedtomato> hi there - dumb lille konqueror question - I made some modifications a long time ago using the instructions here: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Hidden%20configuration - but I want to turn everything to defaults again - any ideas how?
[04:59] <posingaspopular> yea i dont think he's blogged much since then
[05:01] <rockets> Apparently nobody likes me in this channel.
[05:01] <rockets> How do I enable font anti-aliasing in KDE?
[05:02] <MarcC> control panel
[05:02] <MarcC> appearance -> fonts I think
[05:02] <rockets> found it
[05:02] <hydrogen> heh
[05:02] <hydrogen> the funny thing is
[05:03] <hydrogen> automatix is going to be integrated with ubuntu proper in hardy
[05:03] <rockets> Hmm . . .
[05:03] <rockets> No KDE sounds seem to be playing
[05:03] <rockets> arts is running
[05:03] <rockets> sound works in gnome
[05:04] <spykedtomato> hydrogen: where do you have that info from?
[05:04] <hydrogen> the blueprints
[05:04] <hydrogen> for hardy
[05:04] <spykedtomato> ... i thought automatix and ubuntu hated each other? or is that old news?
[05:05] <rockets> they dont *hate* eachother.
[05:05] <rockets> ubuntu just thinks automatix breaks ubuntu.
[05:05] <rockets> and it does.
[05:11] <jari> hi
[05:12] <Tm_T> moi
[05:12] <jari> does any one know how to setup the laptops touch pad? it works otherwise but needs tuning
[05:12] <jari> moi Tm_T :)
[05:13] <hydrogen> uhh
[05:13] <hydrogen> theres a factoid about it
[05:13] <hydrogen> !touchpad
[05:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about touchpad - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:13] <Tm_T> !synaptics
[05:13] <ubotu> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[05:13] <hydrogen> yea
[05:13] <hydrogen> thats it
[05:13] <hydrogen> I knew I was gonna type in the ubuntu package manager instead
[05:14] <hydrogen> because they have way too similar names
[05:15] <Tm_T> !touchpad | hydrogen
[05:15] <ubotu> hydrogen: For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[05:15] <hydrogen> !yay | tm_t
[05:15] <ubotu> tm_t: Glad you made it! :-)
[05:15] <Tm_T> erm
[05:15] <hydrogen> wow, that actually worked
[05:15] <hydrogen> and even what ubotu said made sense in context
[05:16] <hydrogen> that never happens for me
[05:20] <jari> thanks!
[05:22] <jagcorvair> I cannot manage to make any media player play the DVD. I keep getting "missing plugins" and "insufficient rights" errors
[05:23] <betomedin> hola? alguien habla español?
[05:23] <keith-> okay is there a way to make my toolbars in kopete not return after i restart kopete?
[05:23] <keith-> the main toolbar and the quick search are the ones i'm having issues with
[05:24] <Tm_T> !es | betomedin
[05:24] <ubotu> betomedin: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[05:24] <betomedin> gracias :D
[05:26] <jagcorvair> How do I just install everything that is DVD and DVD-plugin related?
[05:29] <hydrogen> !dvd | jagcorvair
[05:29] <ubotu> jagcorvair: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[05:36] <jagcorvair> hydrogen: I've tried all of that. Nothing seems to work :(
[05:36] <rockets> What's the metapackage for kde4 again>?
[05:43] <kristjan_> hey my adept lost the ability to use KDE's user style, colors and font size recently - is it temporally so or what has happened to kdesudo?
[05:44] <keith-> it's because there is no theme set for root
[05:45] <kristjan_> keith-: there doesn't have to be
[05:45] <kristjan_> keith-: that's the point of kdesudo in gutsy
[05:45] <keith-> i've never had it use my theme or font even with kdesudo...
[05:45] <kristjan_> keith-: adept should adapt the user kde preferences of look&feel
[05:46] <kristjan_> keith-: it did for me after, but now it doesn't after the last system update
[05:46] <kristjan_> keith-: err, scratch that extra "after"
[05:47] <keith-> hmm odd... check bugreports?
[05:47] <keith-> it could definitely be that i haven't noticed it working because i rarely use adept
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> !freenx
[06:01] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[06:09] <Rukus> hi
[06:09] <Rukus> I cant get my ATI card to use fglrx
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> hiddy hooo
[06:09] <Rukus> it defaults to Mesa
[06:09] <Rukus> why?
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> what card is this?
[06:09] <Rukus> this is resulting in a super slow pc
[06:10] <Rukus> i have a laptop with the xpress200m chipset
[06:10] <Dr_Willis>  I got a x200m laptop also.. :) dont expect it to do much 3d wise...
[06:10] <Rukus> i dont expect it to, i just expect it to atleast run the driver
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> Not sure if its using mesa or not. it is using the fglrx driver.
[06:11] <Rukus> try fglrxinfo on yours
[06:11] <Rukus> tell me if yours works
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> The laptop is not handy. :) let me go plug it in  downstairs.
[06:11] <Rukus> oh ok
[06:11] <Rukus> thanks for that too!
[06:12] <m4st3r> plz invite me the python channel
[06:12] <Rukus> i wonder if i need to enable the restricted driver??? that doesnt sound right
[06:13] <Dr_willis_> And here i am in the basement.. :)
[06:13] <Dr_willis_> all i did for my laptop was run the restircted-manmager tool and checked to let it install the fglrx drivers
[06:13] <Rukus> neatoo
[06:13] <Rukus> really
[06:13] <Rukus> whats that tool
[06:13] <Dr_willis_> Its in the menus somewhere.
[06:13] <Rukus> hmm
[06:13] <Dr_willis_> or try runnin sudo restricted-manager
[06:14] <Dr_willis_> actually I though the first time ya booted up - it asked even. :)
[06:14] <Rukus> so i should run restricted driversS??/
[06:15] <Rukus> i should reboot
[06:15] <Dr_willis_> All the restricted-manager tool does - Is install the actual ATI fglrx drivers and others your system may need
[06:15] <Rukus> so
[06:15] <Dr_willis_> lets see what the wiki says
[06:15] <Dr_willis_> !ati
[06:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:15] <bless09> msg nickserv set email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:16] <Rukus> use status screenf or that
[06:16] <Rukus> for
[06:16] <Rukus> never issue nickerv/chanserv commands in a chat
[06:17] <bazhang> bless09: you need to /msg
[06:17] <Dr_willis_> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic restricted-manager-kde
[06:17] <Dr_willis_> Open the restricted drivers manager from KMenu → System Settings → Advanced → Restricted Drivers and select "ATI accelerated graphics driver". This will hopefully enable fglrx in a painless way
[06:17] <bless09> bazhang: ok i did
[06:17] <Rukus> ok
[06:18] <Rukus> all i need to do now is reboot
[06:18] <Rukus> thanks for the help, i'll be back to let u know how it went
[06:19] <rockets> Anybody have any KDE 3.5 theme reccomednations
[06:19] <rockets> Something nice and clean.
[06:19] <Dr_willis_> I tend to just use the Plastik or whatever themes are in the repos.
[06:21] <Dr_willis_> polyester is nice and clean also. :) easy on the eyes..
[06:21] <Dr_willis_> Of course if you start using compiz.. well that opens up other posibilites
[06:22] <rockets> Dr_willis I cant use compiz
[06:22] <Dr_willis_> thats proberly a good thing. :)
[06:23] <rockets> Dr_willis I have ATI, so I need to use Xgl, and Xgl works FINE in gnome, but makes KDE slow as hel
[06:23] <rockets> for some reason.
[06:23] <rockets> In gnome i have compiz with crazy effects all fine
[06:24] <Dr_willis_> the newer ati drivers i hear - remove the need for xgl.. but I dont use them.. so cant tell ya anything more.
[06:24] <rockets> Dr_willis_: I know that, those drivers segfault on my machine.
[06:26] <barkah> hi
[06:26] <barkah> i need help
[06:26] <barkah> i am using kubuntu now
[06:26] <barkah> i try mount hardisk with windows partition (FAT32) and success
[06:26] <pacman> hey dr_willis, can you PM me?
[06:26] <barkah> but i cannot edit the files on it
[06:27] <barkah> it become read only file
[06:27] <barkah> i cannot edit my files on windows patition
[06:27] <MilitantPotato> rockets: you can use the new ATI drivers, they don't need XGL
[06:27] <barkah> anyone can help me?
[06:27] <MilitantPotato> rockets: but they're a little buggy.
[06:28] <Dr_willis_> pacman,  whatever for?
[06:28] <MilitantPotato> barkah: use chown
[06:28] <barkah> what is chown?
[06:28] <MilitantPotato> type man chown into console to learn how to use it :)
[06:28] <MilitantPotato> it changes file permissions
[06:28] <Dr_willis_> When mounting a vfat partition you MUST use the proper options to set the permissions.
[06:28] <MilitantPotato> ah that too
[06:28] <Dr_willis_> you dont 'chown' vfat mount points, or files on a fat partition
[06:29] <MilitantPotato> you don't?
[06:29] <barkah> ok, i'll try
[06:29] <Dr_willis_> the umask=0002 is a common optiuon when mounting them
[06:29] <MilitantPotato> Ah sorry, thanks for correcting me.
[06:29] <Dr_willis_> MilitantPotato,  you can try.. :) it wont do anything.
[06:29] <pacman> I got a few questions, and I don't want to ass up the main chat
[06:29] <Dr_willis_> BRB
[06:29] <barkah> i mount from system administration
[06:30] <MilitantPotato> UUID=469E-6D26 /media/hda5 vfat defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
[06:30] <barkah> and disks and file systems
[06:30] <MilitantPotato> that's the entry in my fstab for my vfat
[06:30] <rockets> I installed all the KDE4 stuff, how can I tell which things in the menu are KDE4 and which are KDE 3.5?
[06:31] <MilitantPotato> wb
[06:32] <MilitantPotato> !factoids
[06:32] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:33] <sonoftheclayr> How do I change the resolution of the terminal (tty1-6)? I have vga=791 appended to the boot options in grub's menu.lst but it is still 800x600
[06:34] <Dr_willis_> Hmm.. that advant-window-navagiator thing.. looks nice.. but cant get it to show up on the Correct Monitor.. heh heh..
[06:35] <MilitantPotato> !umask
[06:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about umask - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:35] <Dr_willis_> !ntfs
[06:36] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[06:36] <Dr_willis_> the ntfs/vfat guides show examples of using the umask optuon in the fstab file
[06:36] <rockets> Anybody have any reccomendations for making Kopete less ugly?
[06:36] <MilitantPotato> thanks willis
[06:38] <rockets> Hmm I can't seem to find a KDE cpu frequency monitoring applet
[06:39] <MilitantPotato> have you logged out and back in after installing it?
[06:39] <bazhang> rockets: what's wrong with kopete? you could ask in #kopete
[06:39] <rockets> bazhang: its ugly as hell.
[06:39] <MilitantPotato> rockets: get emerald :)
[06:40] <raylu> eh?
[06:40] <bazhang> rockets: not really a support channel issue--I like the way it looks
[06:40] <raylu> i hate how pidgin looks. kopete is awesome
[06:40] <rockets> II hate how kopete looks, pidgin is awesome.
[06:40] <rockets> ;-P
[06:40] <Rukus> my composite manager failed now
[06:40] <raylu> lol
[06:40] <raylu> if you like gtk, use ubuntu
[06:40] <rockets> I do, usually.
[06:41] <rockets> I can't stand the way Qt looks, its so cluttered. I just like fooling with KDE sometimes.
[06:41] <Daisuke-Ido> raylu: i like firefox, should i stop using kubuntu?
[06:41] <Tm_T> rockets: have you looked configurations?
[06:41] <rockets> what does "looked configurations" mean
[06:41] <raylu> Daisuke-Ido, eh? it's neither qt nor gtk, right?
[06:42] <Tm_T> raylu: Firefox is GTK
[06:42] <Rukus> http://pastebin.com/m404f64c0
[06:42] <Tm_T> rockets: look settings, twice
[06:42] <Rukus> whats that mean
[06:42] <raylu> o.0
[06:42] <rockets> "look settings"?
[06:42] <rockets> I'm going to guess that english is not your first language and that you're asking me to look AT configurations.
[06:43] <MilitantPotato> Rukus: what driver and card?
[06:43] <raylu> o.0, he's a kde dev
[06:43] <Rukus> ATI xpress200m fglrx. just rebooted into restricted drivers
[06:43] <Rukus> and enabled fglrx driver
[06:44] <rockets> raylu: it uses gtk
[06:44] <rockets> GTK + XUL
[06:44] <MilitantPotato> Rukus: unless you installed the drivers from the ATI website, your drivers don't support AIGLX, so you'll need to run XGL to get things like compiz and the fancier window decorations to work.
[06:44] <raylu> i see
[06:44] <rockets> Where is the Kubuntu gui for enabling effects btw
[06:44] <raylu> rockets, there is none :D
[06:44] <MilitantPotato> Rukus: on gutsy it should run XGL without any configuration, on feisty it requires some scripts.
[06:45] <Rukus> ohhhh
[06:45] <Rukus> so al li need to do i install xgl-server to correct this?
[06:45] <MilitantPotato> yep
[06:45] <Rukus> ok thanks man
[06:45] <MilitantPotato> hopefully.
[06:45] <Rukus> :)
[06:45] <bazhang> raylu: not quite so; none by default--but easily installed
[06:46] <raylu> right
[06:46] <raylu> but there's no gui for enabling them :D
[06:46] <MilitantPotato> it does mention enabling composite, but I seem to remember composite made compiz stop working for me on the old ATI drivers.
[06:46] <rockets> raylu: oh. great.
[06:47] <Rukus> xserver-xgl rather
[06:47] <Rukus> well we'll see
[06:47] <Rukus> i'm not running compix at the moment, i'm done with botching my ssystem for now
[06:47] <Rukus> i just want it to work now
[06:48] <MilitantPotato> compiz to work?
[06:48] <Rukus> no my video card
[06:48] <Rukus> i just got it back to normal res from 640x480
[06:48] <Rukus> ok bbl
[06:48] <Rukus> restarting X-server
[06:50] <gorlak> i know you can install a fresh copy of kubuntu from the CD, and you can use the web to upgrade the os, but can you use the CD to upgrade so you dont lose your settings /files ?
[06:51] <Rukus> ok everything seems to work now
[06:51] <Rukus> altho a lil slow
[06:51] <bazhang> gorlak: you mean to have a backup of everything you have ever installed?
[06:52] <bazhang> !info aptoncd
[06:52] <ubotu> aptoncd: Installation disc creator for packages downloaded via APT. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.97-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 135 kB, installed size 1024 kB
[06:53] <gorlak> upgrading the os to gutsy. kinda like how windows does its "upgrade" feature.
[06:54] <gorlak> not just the applications, being kept when it upgrades but everything in my home dir too
[06:54] <bazhang> gorlak: not sure about windows--never touch the stuff :} back up your home folder, then use aptoncd for the rest
[06:55] <Dr_willis_> I find its often much cleaner to just backup your home dir. (or keep it on its own partition) and do clean reinstalls
[06:56] <gorlak> backing up the home dir would be precautionary right? does it actually intentionally go through and wipe out those dirs or just in case?
[06:56] <MilitantPotato> gorlak: you can upgrade from the CD, but a fresh install is the best way to go.
[06:56] <gorlak> i see
[06:56] <bazhang> Dr_willis_: excellent point--but I always forget to do that--will remember next time :}
[06:56] <Tm_T> MilitantPotato: it's best way to go by who?
[06:57] <Tm_T> gorlak: try upgrading if you have nothing to lose
[06:57] <MilitantPotato> Tm_T: people who don't mind the extra bit of time it takes, or don't want to worry if something breaks I'd reccon
[06:57] <gorlak> tried doing it using the CD, but i couldnt figure out how to get it to use the CD for the upgrade is all
[06:57] <gorlak> i already have my homedir backed up, in a way.
[06:58] <vbgunz> what does rip dvd video in k3b do? I know it sounds straightforward, but seriously... what does it do? how do you work it?
[06:59] <MilitantPotato> the manual might tell you?
[06:59] <bazhang> vbgunz: it copies the dvd
[06:59] <vbgunz> I checked under toold 'rip dvd...' its not there
[07:00] <MilitantPotato> Tm_T: I guess I shouldn't of made it sound as definitive.
[07:00] <gorlak> ill have to look through it again, thanks :)
[07:00] <Tm_T> MilitantPotato: aye
[07:00] <vbgunz> I think I got it... I just double clicked a file and it ended up down stairs
[07:07] <vbgunz> hmm... I thought I could convert a dvd to avi through k3b. isn't this possible?
[07:12] <barkah> i cannot edit the files on my vfat (windows) hardisk partition. please help me
[07:13] <Tm_T> !dvd | vbgunz
[07:13] <ubotu> vbgunz: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:13] <mot_> welp
[07:13] <vbgunz> heh, am looking for libdvdcss3... not finding it in deb form though I have a single decss file...
[07:13] <mot_> i've officially seen the worst thing on the internet.
[07:14] <barkah> hello
[07:14] <mot_> there is simply nothing worse than this in existance, i guarantee it.
[07:14] <mot_> ho-lee-shit.
[07:14] <bazhang> !ohmy | mot_
[07:14] <ubotu> mot_: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[07:15] <barkah> anyone can help me?
[07:15] <mot_> are you serious?
[07:15] <mot_> why is everybody in this country so politically correct.
[07:15] <mot_> oh man, the "s" word guys.
[07:16] <Tm_T> mot_: we aren't in your country
[07:16] <bazhang> !ot | mot_
[07:16] <ubotu> mot_: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:16] <barkah> yea
[07:16] <mot_> Tm_T, where are you?
[07:16] <barkah> ubotu can help me?
[07:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about can help me? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:16] <Tm_T> mot_: elsewhere
[07:16] <barkah> can you help me?
[07:16] <mot_> ahh you're finnish.
[07:17] <mot_> right. well, europeans are less prude than americans so i don't see where you're coming from.
[07:17] <barkah> ubotu?
[07:17] <mot_> nevermind.
[07:17] <Tm_T> mot_: well point is, this channel have to be suitable for all ages
[07:18] <mot_> Tm_T, right.
[07:18] <mot_> alright then, let's take careful observation of, let's say the US as a good microism of study.
[07:18] <Tm_T> mot_: you are free to disagree, but that brings me some freedoms with it
[07:18] <Tm_T> mot_: no, that's offtopic
[07:18] <mot_> it's acceptable to show blood, guts, gore and violence during mainstream prime-time television, but nudity and "coarse language" are oh-so lament-worthy? really now?
[07:19] <Tm_T> I know, but that's offtopic
[07:19] <mot_> you're right.
[07:19] <mot_> i'll just go to bed
[07:19] <Tm_T> please do
[07:21] <MilitantPotato> !mouse
[07:21] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[07:21] <Rukus> lets say i wanted to install gutsy on my machine, got any tips on doing so?
[07:22] <Rukus> errr
[07:22] <Rukus> waot
[07:22] <Rukus> wow
[07:22] <Rukus> i messed that up
[07:22] <Rukus> lets say i wanted to install compiz on my gutsy machine, got any tips on doing so?
[07:22] <Tm_T> !compiz | Rukus
[07:22] <ubotu> Rukus: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[07:22] <Tm_T> yes I got ;)
[07:22] <Rukus> lol
[07:22] <Rukus> niiice
[07:22] <Rukus> thanks
[07:23] <Rukus> i've never got ot to work yet. i dont think i've done it correctly
[07:24] <Rukus> i will try again
[07:24] <MilitantPotato> man my xorg is messed up :(
[07:25] <Rukus> mine used to be
[07:25] <Rukus> then i ran this command:
[07:25] <Rukus> one sec
[07:25] <Rukus> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[07:26] <Rukus> if you know what ie means, great
[07:26] <Rukus> it*
[07:26] <Rukus> also
[07:26] <Rukus> lol
[07:26] <MilitantPotato> well for some reason everything was changed to fail safe
[07:27] <Rukus> wow
[07:27] <Rukus> compiz works
[07:27] <MilitantPotato> is running dolphin via kdesudo a bad idea?
[07:28] <Rukus> no
[07:28] <Rukus> not from what i understand
[07:28] <Rukus> wait
[07:28] <Rukus> i dunno
[07:28] <Nyle> I just uploaded a video to youtube
[07:28] <Nyle> hehe
[07:29] <MilitantPotato> wish me luck.
[07:29] <Rukus> oh man
[07:29] <Rukus> i alwasy miss steps
[07:29] <Rukus> aughh
[07:30] <Rukus> oh wasnt a big deal
[07:30] <Rukus> o brb
[07:31] <MilitantPotato> sweet.
[07:31] <vbgunz> is xvid in any repos?
[07:31] <MilitantPotato> medibuntu i think
[07:32] <vbgunz> I enabled medibuntu. I have a few hits but nothing stands out :/
[07:32] <vbgunz> no xvid, libxvid...
[07:33] <MilitantPotato> !codecs
[07:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:34] <vbgunz> xvid not found on any of those pages...
[07:34] <vbgunz> thanks though
[07:35] <MilitantPotato> yea that wound up being usless
[07:36] <vbgunz> I see xvid4conf in the repos but not sure if thats what I need
[07:37] <Rukus> ok, i usually let my taskbar be covered by programs, and then touch the top of the screen to show it
[07:37] <Rukus> now that i run compiz, i can no longer do that
[07:38] <MilitantPotato> libxvidcore4
[07:39] <Rukus> kkkkk?
[07:39] <Rukus> err
[07:39] <Rukus> ?
[07:39] <MilitantPotato> @ vbgunz
[07:39] <vbgunz> yes
[07:40] <vbgunz> I think that is it. was looking through debian repos and that is the only one that links back to xvid.org :)
[07:40] <vbgunz> "libxvidcore4 is already the newest version."
[07:40] <vbgunz> heh
[07:40] <Rukus> man compiz is sweet
[07:41] <Rukus> now i just need the patience to configure it
[07:41] <vbgunz> thanks MilitantPotato!
[07:42] <Harahu> Hello I am on the site (wiki.kubuntu.org/) and was wondering where I can find a full list of the programs in Kubuntu 7.10 - Gutsy Gibbon, as well as if it is compatible with the Internet service provider "Wild Blue". I hope I am not interupting any thingI am new to Linuk-based OSs and am unfilimar with such thing (being new to computers and all). Ia terrible sorry if I am out of line in...
[07:42] <Harahu> ...anyway and can what for the answers to the aforementioned question. (sorry for any syntax or spelling errors, and real or perceived. |\|00|3ishness)
[07:43] <Tm_T> Harahu: full list? urm, that would be long one
[07:43] <Harahu> *or if this is an improper place to ask such questions.
[07:44] <Tm_T> no this is fine
[07:44] <Harahu> I was wonder about a site with such a thing.
[07:45] <Tm_T> Harahu: one kind of, packages.ubuntu.com
[07:46] <Harahu> So there are are costomible downlaods?
[07:46] <Harahu> *costomizeble
[07:46] <Tm_T> well, when you have installed Kubuntu, you can install ~whatever you like in it from package repositories
[07:46] <Rukus> wow
[07:46] <Rukus> this is so awesome
[07:46] <Harahu> cool.
[07:47]  * Harahu is 17% into a Kubuntu DL
[07:49] <Harahu> Does anyone here know if the ISP wildblue works with Kubuntu?
[07:50] <Harahu> or more accurately if their modems do?
[07:52] <Daisuke-Ido> is it a cable modem?  dsl modem?
[07:52] <Daisuke-Ido> you need to be more specific
[07:53] <Daisuke-Ido> how does it connect to the pc?  is the modem internal?  is the modem external?  is it a modem/router combo?
[07:53] <Harahu> Exernal.
[07:53] <Daisuke-Ido> cable?  dsl?
[07:54] <Harahu> Satalite
[07:54] <Daisuke-Ido> hmm
[07:54] <Daisuke-Ido> then i have no clue
[07:54] <Harahu> oh and I had a router connected to it as well.
[07:56] <Harahu> I live in the middle of nowhere, so I am such with it.
[07:56] <Harahu> *stuck
[07:56] <fignew> if you have a router
[07:57] <fignew> then you should be OK
[07:58] <Harahu> I see, I am connected to the router by Ethernet cable.
[07:59] <Harahu> Thank you both.
[08:00] <Rukus> oh man i wish i had a faster graphis ard
[08:00] <Rukus> so ool
[08:00] <Rukus> koool
[08:00] <Harahu> I read a bit on a forum and it work with ubuntu.
[08:01] <Harahu> *works
[08:01] <bazhang> Harahu: good luck! come back if you need help
[08:01] <Harahu> Can I stay?
[08:02] <bazhang> hehe
[08:02] <bazhang> of course--I thought you were off to install--sorry! :}
[08:02]  * Harahu has been wanting to join another chatroom.
[08:03] <bazhang> #kubuntu-offtopic is nice
[08:03] <Harahu> I have somewhat strange question.
[08:05] <Harahu> Can you (in the universal sense) program the "startbar"-like thing (I have no idea what it is called) on Kubuntu the open like a folder?
[08:06] <bazhang> kmenu--like in os x?
[08:06] <Harahu> So I can pick more then one program at a time.
[08:07] <killermike> Harahu: What I do is to create a launchbar and place it at the side of the screen. I then drop my most comonly used applications onto that.
[08:08] <Harahu> I see.
[08:09] <MilitantPotato> Does anyone have a fix for Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[08:09] <killermike> Harahu: That gives some of the benifits of what you are sugesting.
[08:09] <Harahu> yes.
[08:09] <MilitantPotato> I'm having to run <sudo xhost +local:usrname> after every login but it keeps breaking my xorg.conf
[08:11] <MilitantPotato> I can't run kdesudo untill I've run that command, but gksudo works fine.
[08:15] <MilitantPotato> anyone?
[08:16] <MilitantPotato> brb
[08:16] <AddyK> Hmm, it's strange that kubuntu be so quiet...
[08:17] <Harahu> Does Kubuntu have good tablet PC support. (my current PC is a non-tablet laptop. but I want to get one.)
[08:23] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[08:24] <Harahu> Hello.
[08:24] <kraut> moin
[08:25] <ActionParsnip> does anyone know how big is the basic install of kubuntu is?
[08:26] <vge> as big as large xp install would imho
[08:27] <bazhang> less than 4GB iirc
[08:27] <se7en> on the desktop installer it says minimum2gb recomended 4gb ActionParsnip
[08:28] <ActionParsnip> se7en: dave?
[08:28] <se7en> ActionParsnip: dave?
[08:28] <ActionParsnip> se7en: does the name shadoweater mean anything to you, maybe on yahoo?
[08:28] <vge> hmm, someone knows program to list last edited files in kde?
[08:28] <MilitantPotato> I keep getting Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server when I try to use kdesudo, running sudo xhost +local:jason makes it so I can run kdesudo.   But I have to do this every login, and it seems to also be breaking my display (whatever the issue is) because it keeps putting me in fail safe grafics mode.
[08:29] <se7en> ActionParsnip: nop sorry
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> se7en: I had an old mate who had the same/similar screen name to yours
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> se7en: oh well
[08:30] <ActionParsnip> Is there a way to choose apps to install / not install?
[08:31] <ActionParsnip> i can uninstall when it is in but figured it'd be more graceful
[08:31] <bazhang> not at this point in time
[08:31] <bazhang> unless you do the minimal install
[08:32] <ActionParsnip> bazhang: does minimal give me X?
[08:32] <bazhang> if you want it :}
[08:32] <ActionParsnip> ok cool
[08:33] <ActionParsnip> just trying to maximise storage as the system is to be a NAS
[08:46] <Harahu> oh by the way this is the thing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=color.png I was talking about.
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: which bit?
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: do you mean Adept?
[08:48] <Harahu> Harahu>	Can you (in the universal sense) program the "startbar"-like thing (I have no idea what it is called) on Kubuntu the open like a folder? | the thing clicked.
[08:49] <Harahu> "Adept", I am unfamiliar with this term.
[08:49] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: so you want the startbar to give a folder view of the apps under each section
[08:51] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: so you can click "system" and folder with Adept, Dolphin, kbluetooth etc pops up?
[08:52] <Harahu> yes, so I can pick more then one app at a time without it closing first, or does it not do that, like windows startbar button does?
[08:52] <mikedomo> hi eyi have trouble with 3 D  cube
[08:52] <mikedomo> i cant zoom out it
[08:53] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: if you right click the menubar does it say open? I'm at work on an XP lappy at the moment so I cant investigate
[08:53] <Harahu> I am weird and I become annoyed when it closes in windows.
[08:54] <Harahu> oh my, I never in my life new you could do that.
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: did it work?
[08:55] <Harahu> yes, but not all my programs where in it.
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> mikedomo: not sure. let me google
[08:56] <Harahu> (note I am still run WinXP, the Kubuntu is not Dled yet)
[08:57] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: can you add to what you now see?
[08:57] <se7en> how do i cd to a samba (xp) box from the terminal
[08:57] <mikedomo> ok
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> mikedomo: you could restart beryl :)
[08:58] <mikedomo> well i use compizfusion
[08:58] <Harahu> Oh I just cliked open allusers and everything was there, hmm weird.
[08:58] <mikedomo> not beryl
[08:59] <ActionParsnip> se7en: http://cri.ch/linux/docs/sk0001.html
[09:00] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: oh you are wanting help in XP. This is KUbuntu chat
[09:00] <Harahu> No, I was using that as a way to ask a Kubuntu question.
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: ok I know what you mean. could run it from konsole
[09:01] <Harahu> I dislike window, hence the Kubuntu download.
[09:02] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: e.g. $ firefox; kate
[09:02] <[ifr0g]> !pdf
[09:02] <ubotu> pdf is the Portable Document Format created by Adobe; viewable in GNU/Linux with xpdf/kpdf/evince, and also adobe reader (free download, but closed source)
[09:02] <Harahu> AP: Oh, what does that do?
[09:04] <mikedomo> i will like watch 3 d cube far in the center of screen
[09:05] <ActionParsnip> mikedomo: change your zoom level in beryl-config
[09:05] <mikedomo> i use compiz fusion
[09:06] <mikedomo> where is that option
[09:06] <ActionParsnip> mikedomo: http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Plugins/Ezoom
[09:06] <mikedomo> thanks
[09:06] <ActionParsnip> mikedomo: np :D
[09:10] <mikedomo> not work
[09:10] <[ifr0g]> Quick, whats the pdf creation program called ?
[09:10] <mikedomo> i will like rotate the 3 D cube far
[09:11] <mikedomo> zoom out
[09:11] <daffytheduck> hi im after some repo's for vmware can anyone help thnx
[09:11] <mikedomo> i dont know help me
[09:11] <daffytheduck> whats your problem
[09:12] <mikedomo> well
[09:12] <mikedomo> ifews hours i intalled compizfusion
[09:12] <mikedomo> and i  make great effects
[09:13] <mikedomo> but the 3 D cube i cant make it because i cant zoom out
[09:13] <mikedomo> for watch it completly
[09:13] <pacman> is the new version of kubuntu available via apt-get install?
[09:14] <daffytheduck> did u try ctrl +alt and the move the mouse on the desktop
[09:14] <mikedomo> mmm
[09:15] <daffytheduck> ctrl+alt and drag the mouse accross the Desktop
[09:15] <daffytheduck> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:15] <daffytheduck> or b4 u do that upgrade
[09:15] <mikedomo> yeah works only
[09:15] <mikedomo> i have a problme
[09:16] <mikedomo> i am in the cube
[09:16] <daffytheduck> ok
[09:16] <daffytheduck> your view is from inside the cube
[09:16] <mikedomo> i will like to staye out
[09:16] <mikedomo> yes
[09:16] <daffytheduck> ok
[09:16] <daffytheduck> there are settings there for that
[09:16] <daffytheduck> but youll have to hunt them down
[09:16] <xanax`> hello
[09:17] <daffytheduck> i dont have compiz here at the moment so i cant really help
[09:17] <daffytheduck> but i know what your talking about and Ive done it from the settings
[09:17] <mikedomo> well i think use beryl
[09:17] <daffytheduck> beryl is old
[09:17] <pacman> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:17] <pacman> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:18] <daffytheduck> anyway I need some repos for vmware can anyone help
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> pacman you need sudo for that
[09:18] <xanax`> I installed vmware player 2 and I run kubuntu 7.10 as guest OS (I found the appliance here : http://isv-image.ubuntu.com/vmware/ ) but I don't know what is the root password. Can someone help me find it out ?
[09:19] <ActionParsnip> daffytheduck: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-vmware-server-from-canonical-commercial-repository-in-ubuntu-feisty.html
[09:19] <daffytheduck> thnx :))))
[09:19] <pacman> still getting the same error, action....the first time I did that was under sudo bash
[09:19] <ActionParsnip> daffytheduck: has the repo deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu feisty-commercial main
[09:19] <ActionParsnip> pacman: what command are you running?
[09:20] <pacman> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:21] <daffytheduck> yeah i noticed should i replace feisty with gutsy
[09:21] <daffytheduck> see if it updates ok
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> pacman: you will need to do sudo for that command
[09:21] <pacman> as sudo bash?
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> daffytheduck: try it :D
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> pacman: run konsole as user then sudo the command
[09:22] <pacman> still same error
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> pacman: I would advise never running any app as root like that
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> pacman: do you have adept open?
[09:22] <daffytheduck> nope
[09:22] <daffytheduck> :(
[09:22] <pacman> I did, and it says I have the newest version
[09:23] <pacman> however, I'm on 7.04
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> daffytheduck: http://igordevlog.blogspot.com/2007/07/vmware-in-ubuntu-gutsy-kernel-2622.html
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> pacman: so are you trying to upgrade to gutsy??
[09:23] <pacman> yes
[09:23] <mikedomo> ttahanks y resolve that
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> pacman: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading has a link for upgrading KUbuntu as well
[09:26] <pacman> can you PM me, action?
[09:27] <schiste> pacman reinstall everything
[09:27] <xanax`> Can someone help me find out what is the root password for these (k)ubuntu vmware appliances ?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Player
[09:27] <schiste> It's the only flawless method
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> pacman: if you follow that walkthrough you should be ok
[09:28] <pacman> well, it won't let me talk back to you, action
[09:28] <Lynoure> xanax`: probably still no root, just sudo. I don't know, but I'd try  kubuntu  first
[09:29] <ActionParsnip> pacman: weird, anyway that walkthrough seems ok. You could download the CD and wang it in your CD drive and upgrade that way
[09:30] <pacman> yeah, I put a new HD in, and only have 7.04 on disk
[09:31] <pacman> might as well upgrade since I have to set everything up anyhow
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> pacman: try the site I sent. Should be ok
[09:32] <pacman> it's working now
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> pacman: or google for upgrade to gutsy
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> pacman: awesome :D
[09:33] <pacman> is wlassistant not available anymore?
[09:33] <pacman> or do I need to enable other repositories
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> pacman: not sure man. just wait and see what you get after the update and go from there
[09:37] <pacman> it's done?
[09:37] <pacman> that's it?
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> pacman: yeah pretty much
[09:39] <pacman> that was fast
[09:39] <pacman> thought it was gonna take an hour
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> pacman: depends what apps you have installed
[09:40] <pacman> I didn't have anything
[09:41] <pacman> I literally just hooked up my new HD and installed 7.06 onto it
[09:41] <pacman> then installed everything in that link
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> pacman: then you have very little to update
[09:42] <pacman> hmm
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> pacman: try a system reboot to test
[09:45] <pacman> okay, brb
[09:46] <serishema> i'm wondering why my battery life on my ibook g4 is so short under kubuntu as compared to under mac os x. With kpowermanager set to "power save" I only get about 2 hours, compared to 4 under mac os x.
[09:49] <MilitantPotato> .Xauthority should be owned by me right?
[09:49] <timri> MilitantPotato: yes
[09:49] <MilitantPotato> Awsome.
[09:49] <MilitantPotato> That was a huge headache.
[09:50] <MilitantPotato> somehow it was owned by root, so kdesudo aswell as the majority of the things in the K menu wouldn't load.
[09:50] <MilitantPotato> i had to use sudo and gksudo to open them
[09:50] <timri> MilitantPotato: NEVER use sudo and gui apps.
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> MilitantPotato: sudo chown should help :)
[09:51] <MilitantPotato> ActionParsnip: that's exactly what I did, worked like a charm
[09:51] <MilitantPotato> timri: yea, never do, not sure why I mentioned sudo
[09:51] <timri> MilitantPotato: Anyway, you should probably also sudo chown 0600 .Xauthority
[09:51] <pacman> ActionParsnip: I'm back
[09:51] <MilitantPotato> instead of chown jason:jason ?
[09:51] <timri> MilitantPotato: No, that also
[09:51] <MilitantPotato> will do.
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> pacman: all good?
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> timri: why not use sudo for gui apps?
[09:52] <pacman> I guess...how do I tell which version I'm on?
[09:52] <MilitantPotato> Something about GUI aps needing access to the X server
[09:53] <timri> ActionParsnip: It can mess up the ownership of some of your configfiles
[09:53] <MilitantPotato> how would I make sure all the files in my home directory are properly owned by me?
[09:54] <MilitantPotato> I ran sudo chown -hR jason:jason /home/jason
[09:54] <MilitantPotato> is that enough?
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> pacman: cat /etc/issue
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> pacman: ?
[09:54] <timri> MilitantPotato: Thats a very bad idea
[09:54] <pacman> hmm, still 7.04
[09:54] <MilitantPotato> Argh.
[09:55] <MilitantPotato> timri: bad enough I should re-install?
[09:56] <timri> MilitantPotato: Nah, but you might run into minor security problems. Like adept_managerrc  should be root.root
[09:56] <timri> MilitantPotato: That one is in ~/.kde/share/config btw
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> pacman: googling...sec
[09:57] <MilitantPotato> I don't have that file
[09:57] <MilitantPotato>  have adept_installerrc
[09:57] <timri> MilitantPotato: Well, of course not, or you would not have been able to take ownership :)
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> pacman $ kdesu update-manager -c
[09:58] <timri> MilitantPotato: Thought of that just a little too late :)
[09:58] <sFEARs> hello
[09:59] <MilitantPotato> timri: any other files I should de-own?
[09:59] <timri> One sec.
[09:59] <WaltzingAlong> some programs will work fine with sudo GUIapp; some will not; rather than make a list, remembering each, follow the general rule: kdesu/kdesudo GUIapp    but    sudo CLIapp       regardless of where it is started (alt+f2 or konsole)
[10:00] <MilitantPotato> What does CLI stand for?
[10:01] <pacman> I just sprayed my g/f's ass with a can of compressed air
[10:02] <WaltzingAlong> MilitantPotato: command line interface
[10:02] <niels_> ubotu: !adept fix
[10:02] <MilitantPotato> pacman: i gave my wife a scar from compressed air, frost bit her.
[10:02] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[10:03] <MilitantPotato> Needless to say I never play with compressed air around her :(
[10:03] <timri> processing...
[10:03] <jamesarthur> Help! i just installed kubuntu 7.10 and am stuck at 640x480,,,, how do i change to 1024x768?
[10:04] <MilitantPotato> timri: I hope my request wasn't to much of a pain
[10:04] <BenjaminD> hello, i am new to linux. i have install kubuntu. I would like to get compiz or beryl running. I have an old laptop with ATI graphics card.. Is there a way i can find out if i have a composite manager running or installed alredy?
[10:04] <pacman> it does warn against frostbite
[10:04] <timri> MilitantPotato: not at all, just found out I had mounted some samba shares under ~, so grep takes a while :)
[10:05] <WaltzingAlong> jamesarthur: it may help to provide /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf    to !pastebin
[10:05] <timri> MilitantPotato: Anyway, it looks like I exaggerated when I said "very bad idea", sorry lead you on a wild goose chase :)
[10:05] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion . for more, ask in #compiz-fusion & see http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ | BenjaminD, follow this
[10:05] <MilitantPotato> Warning labels, bah
[10:05] <MilitantPotato> BenjaminD: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[10:05] <WaltzingAlong> jamesarthur: you could run, in konsole,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh             to reconfigure X
[10:06] <MilitantPotato> whoa wrong guy
[10:06] <jamesarthur> WaltzingAlong: thanks i hope :)
[10:07] <MilitantPotato> BenjaminD: With an ATI card you'll need XGL, or the latest ATI drivers from www.ati.com but that requires building from source and a hand full of xorg.conf modifications
[10:07] <MilitantPotato> BenjaminD: xserver-xgl is the package you'd need.
[10:07] <WaltzingAlong> timri: MilitantPotato     yes for some programs "sudo GUIapp" will use the 'wrong' permissions/rights/account when writing files which later results in the normal user not being able to write to files in /home/user          though some GUIapps will flatout not launch when called from sudo rather than
[10:07] <BenjaminD> i had it working on ubuntu with ATI fglrx
[10:07] <WaltzingAlong> MilitantPotato: that is true only for the fglrx module before this latest release
[10:08] <BenjaminD> but when i installed xserver-xgl my kubuntu redraw ran VERY slow
[10:08] <WaltzingAlong> fglrx ati howto wiki http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide (for 3d support on older radeon cards, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver for data) | BenjaminD, MilitantPotato
[10:08] <BenjaminD> ?
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> is there a way to make GUI apps not run if executed via sudo?
[10:08] <timri> WaltzingAlong: iirc kate has that refusal to run under sudo built-in
[10:08] <MilitantPotato> BenjaminD: you could attempt the new ATI drivers, and see how that works.
[10:08] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: yes with xserver-xgl especially with compiz not running, X can run very slowly
[10:09] <BenjaminD> is there an alternative?
[10:09] <BenjaminD> or better way?
[10:09] <timri> MilitantPotato: Ok, after the mother of all lousy greps, I conclude you did NOT mess up your system :)
[10:09] <BenjaminD> before i install compiz now?
[10:09] <MilitantPotato> timri: thank god, I havn't done a backup lately :D
[10:09] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: if you can use fglrx yes then you can grab the version from the link i sent to you, which is the first fglrx release to work with AIGLX  (so xserver-xgl is not needed)
[10:09]  * timri will never ever try recursive grepping a samba share again :)
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> BenjaminD: to run compiz you need 3d acceleration which vesa wont give you
[10:09] <BenjaminD> aiglx is an alternative to xgl?
[10:10] <MilitantPotato> XGL allows cards that don't support AIGLX to work
[10:10] <MilitantPotato> *drivers
[10:10] <MilitantPotato> the new ATI drivers are far from perfect.
[10:11] <BenjaminD> apt-get install compiz wants to install all the gnome librarys??
[10:11] <WaltzingAlong> aiglx is accelerate indirect glx
[10:11] <BenjaminD> was trying to avoid that
[10:11] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: compiz was created with gnome in mind. kde has had a composite manager already and kde4 will include its own with similar effects to that of compiz
[10:12] <BenjaminD> so am i better to not worry about compiz then?
[10:12] <BenjaminD> laptop is oldish..
[10:12] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: as you like really
[10:12] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: which video card?
[10:12] <BenjaminD> ati x300
[10:12] <BenjaminD> 64mb
[10:15] <MilitantPotato> ping
[10:15] <BenjaminD> so kde4 is coming soon?
[10:15] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: december. you would need to use the open source 'radeon' module/driver for 3d accel with that card             https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[10:16] <BenjaminD> fglrx ?
[10:16] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: fglrx is for newer ATI/amd cards
[10:17] <BenjaminD> i had compiz working on ubuntu before with fglrx
[10:17] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: yes fglrx will not work with your card anyway
[10:17] <daffytheduck> can i get compiz working with the nv driver
[10:18] <daffytheduck> or do i need nvidia
[10:18] <timri> BenjaminD: Re: your question about "kde4 coming soon", you might want to ask that in #kde (better don an asbestos coat though)
[10:18] <daffytheduck> lol
[10:18] <WaltzingAlong> daffytheduck: you need 3d accel which nv does not provide as far as i know
[10:19] <daffytheduck> ok
[10:19] <daffytheduck> i thought so
[10:19] <daffytheduck> can i install nvidia from the repos or do i have to get it from nvidia
[10:20] <WaltzingAlong> !nvidia | daffytheduck, either or
[10:20] <ubotu> daffytheduck, either or: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:20] <daffytheduck> thnx
[10:21] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: as far as i know 'radeon' works with your video card, not 'fglrx'; using 'ati' should call the radeon module for supported devices. check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for data about how that went
[10:22] <BenjaminD> thanks, i dont want to change drivers just this minute. im meant to be studying. i will follow that tutorial you sent before a little later
[10:22] <BenjaminD> radeon should work better than fglrx yes?
[10:22] <MilitantPotato> I got this in terminal while running kate: DCOP Cleaning up dead connections.  kdecore (KProcess): WARNING: _attachPty() 11
[10:23] <daffytheduck> can i get a sources.list with fast mirrors all i seem to be getting is everything at 11kbps :((
[10:24] <MilitantPotato> BenjaminD: stick with the radeon drivers :)
[10:24] <sFEARs> i upgraded to 7.10 and have multiple options in my boot menu... RT, Generic, & Low Latency... Generic & Low Latench boot fine but when i pick RT which i think is Real Time it hangs on the very end of the boot process.  Any ideas?
[10:28] <daffytheduck> !compiz
[10:28] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[10:32] <se7en> what is the different between system;/ and /media/ and how can i get to system:/ from the terminal
[10:33] <emilsedgh> se7en: media:/ is just storage media, like hard disc and dvd/cd and...
[10:33] <WaltzingAlong> daffytheduck: build your own using the list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[10:33] <emilsedgh> se7en: system:/ contains applications:/, media:/, settings:/ and....
[10:33] <emilsedgh> se7en: and they are just accessible by KDE, not terminal and even Gnome apps
[10:34] <WaltzingAlong> se7en: and as far as i know it is a kio slave which is accessible through kde
[10:34] <se7en> ok how to i get to system;/ from the terminal
[10:35] <WaltzingAlong> se7en: in konsole, konqueror system:/         :D
[10:35] <se7en> hmmmmm ok
[10:35] <WaltzingAlong> se7en: otherwise the short answer is you do not
[10:36] <se7en> WaltzingAlong: :P
[10:36] <TrAndy> Kubuntu Gutzy freezes randomly and continuously after first on-line default update. Before update it works  OK indefinitively. Any solution?
[10:37] <WaltzingAlong> TrAndy: actual hardware issue? which kernel? which video module?
[10:38] <se7en> WaltzingAlong: i have smbmounted a xp share on /media/xp and would like to set a link from system;/ so /media/xp/
[10:40] <WaltzingAlong> se7en: to show up in system:/ ? that i do not know how to do.
[10:41] <TrAndy> Feisty (v7.04) worked fine for months. Gutsy is a fresh install, not an upgrade from v7.04. Kernel is the default 2.6.22-14. I've tested it with the precedent 2.6.20.xx from v.7.04 but it freezes anyway. No hw changes.
[10:41] <se7en> WaltzingAlong: thanks anyway
[10:43] <Harahu> one more minute.
[10:44] <WaltzingAlong> TrAndy: so the trick is to find out which module, which piece of hardware; check the logs for any relevant errors
[10:45] <Harahu> It is done. yeah
[10:46] <conatic> Hi all
[10:47] <TrAndy> WaltzingAlong:ok, I'll look at the logs. The strange thing is it works ok if no update is made. I don't see any module/kernel related updates in this updates.
[10:47] <WaltzingAlong> TrAndy: yes strange though not enough for me to know what is the cause or remedy;
[10:48] <Zombocom> help
[10:48] <Zombocom> I need to upgrade
[10:48] <WaltzingAlong> Zombocom: with?
[10:49] <TrAndy> WaltzingAlong:will turn back after examining the logs and the updates content. Thanks!
[10:49] <Zombocom> my system went to hell so I tried reinstalling linux but I only had the 7.04 cd
[10:49] <WaltzingAlong> TrAndy: thanks to you
[10:49] <Zombocom> I want to upgrade to 7.10
[10:49] <Zombocom> how do I do so
[10:49] <WaltzingAlong> Zombocom: from 7.04 to 7.10? follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade
[10:51] <Zombocom> thank you waltzing
[10:53] <Zombocom> how do I uninstall strigi?
[10:54] <MilitantPotato> Thanks again for the help guys
[10:58] <zhenya> hi
[10:58] <ToMaK> hi
[10:59] <zhenya> Кто здесь из России???
[10:59] <Tm_T> !ru | zhenya
[10:59] <ubotu> zhenya: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[11:03] <Harahu> So how do I run in as a live CD?
[11:03] <Harahu> (Are people in here speaking Russian?)
[11:05] <GuHHH> hey, about mail listing services... whats the most simple to configure, mailman or majordomo?
[11:15] <B4S3M> i got a problem ... when kubuntu boots it keep fillin this blue bar ... after filling it shows me the bar again and stop there
[11:17] <B4S3M> haaalllo
[11:17] <user_> americans sux
[11:17] <WaltzingAlong> B4S3M: remove 'splash' and 'quiet' in the grub list so you can see what is going on. otherwise try the recovery entry; how: restart, after bios grub will be presented. press esc to see the menu. find the entry you are using (likely first one in the list); press e for edit; arrow to the right of the line, then remove splash and quiet (if they exist); press enter; press b to boot
[11:17] <user_> americans suks
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[11:18] <WaltzingAlong> !ops | user_
[11:18] <ubotu> user_: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[11:20] <Harahu> I cannot run Kubuntu, please help.
[11:23] <BenjaminD> I changed from flgrx to open source radeon and i seem to have more features in KDE (transparency etc). glrx tells me i am using SGI. But my 3d Open GL screen savers run very slow
[11:23] <BenjaminD> ?
[11:26] <B4S3M> WaltzingAlong .... how can i run the KDM again ?
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> B4S3M: what do you mean? where are you? sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart        ?
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: check the X log /var/log/Xorg.0.log for relevant data
[11:27] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: in konsole, glxinfo | grep -i direct                  yes or no?
[11:28] <kak[ZzZ]> ohayou gozaimasu
[11:29] <B4S3M> WaltzingAlong .... i need to run Kubuntu with interfacing not in command line
[11:29] <Harahu> What do I click on to run it as a live CD?
[11:29] <Harahu> Do I have to restart first?
[11:30] <WaltzingAlong> Harahu: just put the desktop/live cd in the drive, start the computer. should boot from the cd (if bios is set accordingly) then so forth
[11:30] <WaltzingAlong> B4S3M: yes but you were telling me that the loading process was not getting that far
[11:30] <Harahu> what is the file name?
[11:31] <WaltzingAlong> Harahu: the file name of what; what are you attempting to do?
[11:31] <BenjaminD> no
[11:31] <BenjaminD> no direct rendering?
[11:31] <WaltzingAlong> !pastebin | BenjaminD, paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log contents here
[11:31] <Harahu> run iot as a live cd.
[11:31] <ubotu> BenjaminD, paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log contents here: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:32] <WaltzingAlong> Harahu: download the desktop cd image. burn the iso as a cd. restart the computer. if bios is set to attempt to boot from the cd, then the livecd should start.
[11:32] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: direct rendering is 3d accel in hardware
[11:33] <Harahu> I have no burner. (I am sorry I know little of computers.)
[11:33] <BenjaminD> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44715/
[11:34] <WaltzingAlong> Harahu: without a burner. ok then you should ask a friend to burn one for you or order a free one from shipit
[11:35] <Harahu> My parent have a burner.
[11:35] <Harahu> I shall do it on there computer.
[11:36] <Harahu> I was going to network to there computer and make backup any way.
[11:37] <Harahu> oh does a DVD have to be a "special" DVD to burn data to it?
[11:37] <Harahu> (other then writable that is)
[11:37] <WaltzingAlong> Harahu: the dvd version can be both 'run live' and installed without running live. it also contains more packages
[11:38] <B4S3M> WaltzingAlong .... i have now a command line ... hence the problem is with KDE .... how can i fix or even how can i know it ?
[11:39] <WaltzingAlong> B4S3M: it may be kde or it may be X, among other possibilities. check the X log first; less /var/log/Xorg.0.log          scroll looking for lines starting with (EE) which mark errors
[11:39] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: mind pasting the /etc/X11/xorg.conf as well
[11:40] <Harahu> No, I mean a DVD, not the DVD version of Kubuntu.I wanted burn Kubuntu to one DVD and all the data on my computer to another for a back-up.
[11:40] <BenjaminD> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44716/
[11:42] <B4S3M> WaltzingAlong ok 2 error .... failed to load module fglrx and No drivers available
[11:43] <WaltzingAlong> B4S3M: ok. sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh                         then in the list of drivers pick either          ATI             or              vesa
[11:43] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: the log shows that dri would be disabled; check http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44717/ to add the modules to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. you could do the same through sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[11:43] <Harahu> (I know my DVD answer now. sorry for asking.)
[11:45] <BenjaminD> which models am i adding sorry?
[11:46] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: the modules section, you could enable all, but mostly dri and glx
[11:46] <BenjaminD> section modules up top
[11:46] <BenjaminD> got it
[11:46] <BenjaminD> will try now
[11:47] <MidMark> I have a process that take 100%, but top doesn't show it, how can I do?
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> hi all
[11:47]  * ActionParsnip waves
[11:47] <BenjaminD> restarting..
[11:49] <WaltzingAlong> MidMark: ksysguard or htop or ps aux | grep -i nameofapprunningat100percent
[11:50] <ljahdasd> WaltzingAlong ... it gives me warning .... overwriting  possiby-customised configuration file backup in /location....
[11:51] <MidMark> ksysguard is the same as top, doesn't show the process
[11:51] <JohnFlux> MidMark: in top, what does it say your load it?
[11:51] <JohnFlux> the top right 3 numbers
[11:52] <B4S3M> WaltzingAlong ... it gives me warning .... overwriting  possiby-customised configuration file backup in /location....
[11:52] <MidMark> jhutchins: sorry top shows it... say xorg 76%
[11:52] <JohnFlux> heh
[11:52] <WaltzingAlong> B4S3M: ok, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart           to restart kdm
[11:53] <MidMark> but the question is: the abnormal cpu started before evenb starts kdm
[11:53] <MidMark> at very beginning of the kernel loading
[11:53] <sirjoshimus> hi there, i just install the metapackage ubuntustudio-audio
[11:53] <MidMark> so why xorg?
[11:53] <sirjoshimus> but just to check it out
[11:53] <sirjoshimus> and now that i want it gone, it wont get rid of everything it installed
[11:53] <blenbb> is there a guide for notebooks how to activate powersaving stuff?
[11:53] <sirjoshimus> such as sudo apt-get remove ubuntustudio-audio
[11:53] <BenjaminD> WaltzingAlong got your prv-msg, still no direct rendering..
[11:54] <sirjoshimus> it leaves everything it installed, which is a plethora of odd packages