[00:00] <ubotu> New bug: #158175 in update-manager (main) "Spelling mistake in error message" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158175
[00:05] <ubotu> New bug: #158176 in ubuntu "Computer freeze when machine boot up with 8180L wireless plugged in" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158176
[00:10] <andresmujica> anyone knows if there's some place with virtualbox images? besides vmwares images at  http://isv-image.ubuntu.com /vmware/   ???
[00:15] <ubotu> New bug: #158177 in ubuntu "Evince presentations start in a window if evince is fullscreen and compiz is enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158177
[00:25] <ubotu> New bug: #158178 in at (main) "Cannot install at_3.1.10ubuntu4_amd64.deb" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158178
[00:25] <ubotu> New bug: #158179 in at (main) "Cannot install at_3.1.10ubuntu4_amd64.deb" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158179
[00:32] <ubotu> New bug: #158180 in linux-meta (main) "RFE: Make the Restricted Drivers Manager more robust" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158180
[00:46] <ubotu> New bug: #158183 in klogic (universe) "Please sync klogic 1.63-2  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158183
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #158184 in ubuntu "upgrading from clean install of 7.04 to 7.10 = openoffice.org-core: dependency problems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158184
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #158185 in brasero (universe) "brasero+gstreamer bug concerning gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158185
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #158186 in update-manager (main) "upgrades can t be finished" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158186
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #158187 in uclibc-toolchain (universe) "can't install due to dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158187
[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #158188 in iptraf (main) "iptraf no atheros support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158188
[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #158189 in ubuntu "Your system could be in an unusable state (Upgrade to Gutsy Failed)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158189
[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #158190 in totem (main) "Totem-xine subtitle lag" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158190
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #158191 in ubuntu "[gutsy] randomly takes me back to the login screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158191
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #158192 in apport (main) "failed to install fonts during cdromupgrade Feisty to Gutsy, no option to retry (dup-of: 155463)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158192
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #158193 in update-manager (main) "Update manager error on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158193
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #158195 in gnome-panel (main) "4 DVD atapi-drives are attached, but only 3 drive are shown when viewing on "my computer"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158195
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #158196 in maxima (universe) "Maxima cannot find documentation for describe()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158196
[02:00] <andresmujica> how should be marked a bug if its a feature request?  as invalid?
[02:04] <persia> andresmujica: In most cases, it should be marked wishlist.  If the report is clear, and it requires a lot of work, it may be better to point at spec creation (especially for feature requests against "Ubuntu").
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #158197 in bind9 (main) "bind9 does not support gssapi updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158197
[02:06] <andresmujica> ok, if i'm not allowaed to put as wishlist how can i mark it? or should i leave it like that? (it's already sugggested to make an spec)
[02:09] <persia> andresmujica: If you're not allowed to set Importance, then it's probably already triaged.  Which bug?
[02:12] <andresmujica> yeap it was already triaged but wasn't marked as a wishlist https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/63757
[02:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 63757 in ubuntu "Add QoS for networking" [Undecided,New]
[02:15] <persia> andresmujica: I've set it wishlist.  There's a bit more needs doing: it needs a package and a status.  To determine the package, I suggest you look at the proposed solution - `dpkg -S $(which tc)` should give you a package name.  To determine a status, you'll want to try to determine if you can also see the issue, and perhaps set to confirmed.
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #158198 in gnome-keyring (main) "passwords / encryption keys removed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158198
[02:21] <andresmujica> hmm ok , that would be goo.
[02:26] <ubotu> New bug: #154828 in gxine "gxine freeze and crash after launch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154828
[02:39] <andresmujica> so many bugs, too few people..
[02:40] <andresmujica> i'm gonna walk out with my dog...
[02:40] <andresmujica> see you later!!!
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> persia: what do I do with the script I wrote yesterday
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> it profiles memory usage >_>
[02:48] <persia> bluefoxicy: ENOCONTEXT
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> persia: I was teasing firefox trying to figure out why its VMA space is so freaking huge but its memory usage is comparatively tiny
[02:49] <bluefoxicy> persia:  http://rafb.net/p/ORSts774.html
[02:49] <persia> bluefoxicy: Ah.  And you wrote a script that presented some results, and would like to have a firefox developer look at the output?
[02:50] <bluefoxicy> Tells you how much memory gets used by writable, read-only, executable, and zero-permissions (WTF?!) mappings.
[02:50] <bluefoxicy> persia:  no, well maybe.  More I'm not sure if anyone wants it for checking out why-the-%@#*&-does-this-app-leak-memory bugs in general.
[02:50] <bluefoxicy> If I don't ask, it's going to rot on my hard drive.
[02:52] <persia> bluefoxicy: That's a more interesting question.  Most people seem to put useful scripts online, and send email to a discussion list.
[02:52] <persia> bluefoxicy: For the firefox issue, if you found an interesting result that could be a bug, you'd want to file a bug.
[02:53] <bluefoxicy> persia:  most interesting result I found is what looks like 100 megs of non-permissioned anonymous mappings ;|
[02:53]  * bluefoxicy modifies the script to output the range the mappings fall in so they can be identified in /proc/pid/maps
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #158200 in deluge-torrent (universe) "When open some torrent file, deluge crash with 'invalid bencoding'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158200
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #158201 in evolution (main) ""calender won't work says it is read only" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158201
[03:12] <ubotu> New bug: #158202 in pcmcia-cs (universe) "Ubuntu installer crashes to a blank screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158202
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #158203 in ubuntustudio-meta (universe) "Should be installed by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158203
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #158204 in ubuntu "KPDF" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158204
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #158208 in synaptic (main) "Failure message in terminal while working in Synaptic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158208
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #158209 in compiz-fusion-plugins-main (main) "Ring switcher behavior when used once then keys are released" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158209
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #158210 in nautilus (main) "nautilus navigation bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158210
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #158211 in ubuntu "Open office printing failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158211
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #158212 in ubuntu "PHP crashes while trying to run sql script" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158212
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #158213 in ubuntu "Failed to play DVD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158213
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #158215 in gnome-panel (main) "Screen does not display properly after boot up\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158215
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #158216 in epiphany-browser (main) "Epiphany dependancy of Firefox on Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158216
[04:17] <charIie> does anyone know possibly how to fix an issue with popping sounds
[04:18] <ubotu> New bug: #158217 in ubuntu "eth0 text in /etc/network/interfaces file reversed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158217
[04:18] <charIie> the popping sound is about 10 pops in a row and occurs quite frequently
[04:19] <charIie> began with feisty
[04:19] <charIie> and now im using gutsy
[04:19] <persia> charIie: Depends on the cause, and the source.  Is it part of the audio signal, or generated by the hardware?
[04:19] <charIie> it is not the hardware because  my mp3 player and windows have no problems
[04:20] <charIie> also if i turn the volume up louder i get a consistent fuzzy sound
[04:21] <charIie> i have a Santa Cruz sound card and use ALSA
[04:21] <charIie> the speakers are logitech 5.1
[04:21] <persia> charIie: Is the popping related to running any specific applications?
[04:22] <charIie> no it is not related to any specific application
[04:22] <charIie> possibly pidgin
[04:22] <charIie> but i remember hearing it without pidgin running
[04:25] <persia> charIie: I'd recommend looking through https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=sound+popping&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package= and seeing if anyone else
[04:25] <charIie> persia: also another problem i've been having is with compiz-fusion but i believe there is a bug already sent in about it
[04:25] <persia> charIie: Which bug?
[04:25] <charIie> alright i will check it out thanks
[04:25] <charIie> not sure exactly i just remember seeing it
[04:26] <charIie> but everything slows to a grinding halt
[04:27] <persia> Ah.  Perhaps your hardware isn't accelerating properly.  You might try turning off the desktop effects until the bug is resolved.  I would recommend finding the bug and subscribing, so you can see if anyone has a better workaround, and any progesss made by the developers.
[04:28] <charIie> yeah i have been using gnome without any graphics
[04:28] <charIie> k
[04:29] <charIie> thanks
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #158218 in rhythmbox (main) "receive error that this file contains no playable streams when trying to play music in rhythmbox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158218
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #158219 in yarssr (universe) "Please sync yarssr 0.2.2-2  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158219
[04:51] <ubotu> New bug: #158220 in ubuntu "CRASHES ALL THE TIME!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158220
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #158222 in octplot (universe) "Please sync octplot 0.3.9-3  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158222
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #158207 in ubuntu "openssh-server package missing?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158207
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #158245 in gdm (main) "multiseat gdm won't switch users" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158245
[06:40] <ubotu> New bug: #158246 in evince (main) "[gutsy] [regression] evince unable to print on Brother laserprinter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158246
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #158247 in ubuntu "System Crash in Hibernate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158247
[06:56] <ubotu> New bug: #158248 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus gives error "too many files open" when copying" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158248
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #158249 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] gcad3d" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158249
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #158250 in gdm (main) "user logs out in multiseat makes other seat lockup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158250
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #158252 in dspam (universe) "dspam won't start:  /var/run/dspam missing in tmpfs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158252
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #158253 in sympa (universe) "Sympa won't start : /var/run/sympa missing in tmpfs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158253
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #158062 in ubuntu "dhcp periodicall effectively empties /etc/resolv.conf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158062
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #158254 in ubuntu "connection problem with kppp" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158254
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #158255 in ubuntu "Dolphin: very slow with files operation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158255
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #158257 in ubuntu "the workspace switcher display ever only two desk" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158257
[08:40] <khermansen> anyone know how to fix this show-stopper?
[08:40] <khermansen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/158258
[08:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 158258 in dpkg "dpkg core dump on too many dependencies resolution" [Undecided,New]
[08:40] <khermansen> happening on upgrade from feisty->gutsy
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #158258 in dpkg (main) "dpkg core dump on too many dependencies resolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158258
[08:43] <persia> khermansen: I'm not sure how you got to that state, but you can usually force things by calling aptitude dist-upgrade to track everything.  You can also try running dpkg --configure for each of the many applications untiul you find a few that work.  I'd start with the libraries.
[08:43] <khermansen> persia, i tried dist-upgrade but that dies due to dpkg telling to configure
[08:44] <khermansen> if i delete some of the package.post* scripts, they install fine
[08:44] <khermansen> and dpkg does not complain
[08:44] <persia> khermansen: Hrm.  Something must have been configure-pending prior to the upgrade.  I'll still recommend trying to manually configure things.
[08:44] <khermansen> it is really fscked though
[08:44] <khermansen> persia, what is the proepr procedure?
[08:44] <khermansen> proper
[08:44] <persia> Which package.postinst needed to be deleted?  Ming you, not running postinst can cause all sorts of issues.
[08:44] <khermansen> the first one in the list was dash
[08:45] <khermansen> i deleted it, and now there is another one
[08:45] <khermansen> it is an infinite loop
[08:45] <khermansen> doesnt matter if i delete the next package either
[08:45] <persia> Ah.  Yes.  Deleting those scripts will break your system.  If you've installed some after deleting the scripts, I really don't know how you might recover.
[08:45] <khermansen> i got to this state by do-release-upgrade, which failed
[08:46] <khermansen> then i manually ran dist-upgrade
[08:46] <khermansen> editing sources.list first
[08:46] <persia> How did do-release-upgrade fail?
[08:46] <khermansen> persia, thats ridiculous
[08:46] <khermansen> persia, it didnt like mediabuntu repos
[08:46] <khermansen> which i never use, but this user had installed
[08:47] <persia> Hmmm...  There might be an issue with do-release-upgrade.  Still, it shouldn't leave anything in a half-installed state.
[08:47] <khermansen> yeah, i dond think it got to even upgrading
[08:47] <khermansen> it modified the sources.list and then failed
[08:47] <khermansen> didnt get very far
[08:47] <khermansen> maybe i am mistaken
[08:48] <khermansen> persia, does it drop a log somewhere?
[08:48] <persia> khermansen: Well, there's /var/log/dpkg.log, but I'm not sure if the contents will be ideal.
[08:49] <khermansen> persia, dpkg log is very revealing
[08:49] <persia> khermansen: That's good news.  The contents were always unhelpful to me :)
[08:49] <khermansen> a lot of stuff was half-installed prior to upgrading
[08:50] <khermansen> and half-configured
[08:50] <persia> Also, I'd suggest that you try to restore the *.postinst files that were deleted.  They should be run.
[08:50] <khermansen> does this mean just that there was an option that required input and none was given?
[08:50] <persia> Ah.  If lots of stuff was half-installed or half-configured, then that's the cause.
[08:50] <khermansen> persia, how would i do that?
[08:50] <khermansen> persia, and how to recover?
[08:51] <persia> khermansen: If you know what you deleted (history might help), you can get individual files with `aptitude download packagename`, `dpkg -c packagename directoryname` and diggging around in directoryname.
[08:52] <khermansen> oh boy...
[08:52] <khermansen> yes i have been down that road before
[08:52] <khermansen> lol
[08:52] <ubotu> New bug: #158259 in ubuntu "wide windows have messed up window decoration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158259
[08:52] <ubotu> New bug: #158260 in ubuntu "computer shuts down when I press the down key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158260
[08:52] <khermansen> i think all i did was dash
[08:52] <khermansen> so i can just reinstall after i get everything else done
[08:52] <persia> I'd suggest resetting the repositories to the previous release, and fighting with dpkg --configure -a to get the system into a sane state prior to trying the upgrade.
[08:53] <persia> Right.  Are you sure it wouldn't be easier to just back up the data and reinstall?  This system sounds like it was broken before you got to it.
[08:53] <khermansen> persia, btw i am a boston native :-)  wish i could make it to UDS, but I moved to san francisco
[08:53] <khermansen> persia, it is my father's
[08:53] <khermansen> i am doing this remote :-)
[08:54] <persia> Hrm.  That makes it tricky.  I'd stick with trying to get it back to feisty, making it sane, and then trying an upgrade.
[08:55] <khermansen> persia, problem is apt will prefer the higher versions pof software that were just installed
[08:55] <khermansen> no?
[08:55] <khermansen> and dpkg is still fskced
[08:56] <persia> khermansen: RIght.  Umm.  You could get the list of installed software (dpkg -l), and download all the feisty versions, and install them.  I'd script that, as it would be exceedingly painful manually.
[08:56] <khermansen> that sucks
[08:56] <khermansen> i might as well just to get-selections
[08:56] <khermansen> and then reimport them
[08:56] <ubotu> New bug: #158262 in tpb (universe) "Cannot run tpb as normal user" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158262
[08:58] <persia> khermansen: That works as well, for getting the list, but you still need to reinstall the feisty versions.  Perhaps something like for i in $(dpkg --get-selections | cut -fi) do aptitude reinstall $i; done ?
[08:58] <gnomefreak> khermansen: do you have all repos enabled?
[08:58] <khermansen> persia, dude i cant use aptitude until dpkg is fixed
[08:59] <khermansen> gnomefreak, yes
[08:59] <gnomefreak> persia: what was the fixed dpkg version do you remember?
[08:59] <persia> khermansen: Ah right.  I'm brainless today.
[08:59] <khermansen> :-)
[08:59] <gnomefreak> khermansen: what version do you have?
[08:59] <khermansen> gnomefreak, of dpkg
[08:59] <khermansen> ?
[08:59] <gnomefreak> yes
[08:59] <khermansen> 1.14.5ubuntu12
[08:59] <gnomefreak> !info dpkg gutsy
[08:59] <ubotu> dpkg: package maintenance system for Debian. In component main, is required. Version 1.14.5ubuntu16 (gutsy), package size 2123 kB, installed size 6712 kB
[09:00] <persia> gnomefreak: It's not actually dpkg that's broken.  The machine had lots of half-installed and half-configured stuff, and tried to dist-upgrade.   In component main, is required. Version 1.13.24ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 1901 kB, installed size 6024 kB
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #158263 in smb4k (universe) "smb4k crash when closing the application" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158263
[09:00] <gnomefreak> persia: that happened late in gutsy cycle dpkg was coredumping from what his bug says he is core dumping
[09:01]  * persia somehow magically never hit that bug
[09:01] <gnomefreak> khermansen: please use packages.ubuntu.com and install latest dpkg version for gutsy (the version above)
[09:01] <gnomefreak> persia: i got hit with it during reinstall
[09:02] <persia> gnomefreak: Was your output like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/158258/comments/1 ?
[09:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 158258 in dpkg "dpkg core dump on too many dependencies resolution" [Undecided,New]
[09:02] <khermansen> gnomefreak, err sucks!
[09:02] <gnomefreak> khermansen: after that please run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to make sure everything is good, you may have to run --configure -a
[09:02] <khermansen> so it is a dpkg bug
[09:02] <khermansen> ok
[09:02] <khermansen> i can manually upgrade that
[09:03] <persia> bug 138887
[09:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138887 in dpkg "Segmentation fault" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138887
[09:04] <gnomefreak> persia: that is odd error. but i willing to guess that new dpkg fixes it but looks like dpkg isnt setting anything up (every package errors)
[09:04] <gnomefreak> its not the package if all do it
[09:04] <persia> bug 137191
[09:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137191 in dpkg "package update-manager 1:0.69 failed to install/upgrade: failed to fstat previous diversions file" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137191
[09:05] <persia> Hmm.  Those are the only two officially closed bugs I can find.  We'll see :)
[09:05] <gnomefreak> i have never seen dpkg crash due to too many errror
[09:05] <persia> gnomefreak: Yeah.  This looks like a new bug
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #158264 in openoffice.org (main) "Calc can't write flat xml." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158264
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #158265 in firefox (main) "mozilla freezes after ugrading" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158265
[09:06] <gnomefreak> khermansen: do you have a log in /var/crash/?
[09:06] <khermansen> gnomefreak, there are some files there, yes
[09:06] <gnomefreak> khermansen: also attaching /var/log/dist-upgrade/3 files to bug is also a great idea so we can find root cause.
[09:07] <gnomefreak> khermansen: not just any files dpkg crash log
[09:07] <khermansen> gnomefreak, there is no dpkg crash log :-(
[09:07] <gnomefreak> persia: where is there a good guide to using quilt?
[09:07] <gnomefreak> khermansen: ok continue but if dpkg version doesnt fix it attach the 3 files in /var/log/dist-upgrad
[09:08] <gnomefreak> e
[09:08]  * gnomefreak cant get quilt to see patch added to debian/patches and debian/patches/series
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #158267 in meta-kde (main) "kde crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158267
[09:14] <khermansen> gnomefreak, dude i cant install dpkg cuz libc6 is broken
[09:15] <khermansen> gnomefreak, im just gonna replace the binary from the package
[09:15] <gnomefreak> khermansen: what does sudo dpkg --configure libc6 give you
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #158268 in gnome-screensaver (main) "partial translation lock" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158268
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #158269 in ubuntu "Installing gutsy with UTC time ON crashes the OS in the first 5 minutes of use" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158269
[09:16] <khermansen> gnomefreak, package libc6 is not ready for configuration
[09:16] <khermansen> half-installed
[09:16] <gnomefreak> khermansen: im guessing you didnt use update-manager like the docs tell you to?
[09:16] <khermansen> gnomefreak, hwo would i do that without a gui chief?
[09:17] <gnomefreak> khermansen: i didnt see you say anything about not having one
[09:17] <khermansen> :-)
[09:17] <khermansen> upgrades should not be dependent on a GUI, and if they are, something is fscked
[09:19] <gnomefreak> khermansen: they arnt but update-manager takes care to install packages in order and has some flags for unofficial packages like nvidia installed from envy and beryl/compiz unofficial (when it was) and fixes most common issues where we cant have apt do that
[09:19] <khermansen> gnomefreak, thats unfortunate
[09:19] <khermansen> it should be handled on something more low-level
[09:20] <gnomefreak> update-manager is more for the new users to linux/ubuntu not so much for server installs
[09:20] <gnomefreak> server installs dont have the packages or package depends that the desktop install has
[09:21] <khermansen> gnomefreak, either way, my upgrade did not go well
[09:21] <khermansen> gnomefreak, and thats ridiculous!
[09:22] <khermansen> what i need right now is an apt/dpkg ninja
[09:22] <gnomefreak> khermansen: depends on  your system what packages you have and so on. not all systems will upgrade perfectly
[09:22] <khermansen> someone who has done this a hundred times
[09:22] <gnomefreak> khermansen: hes sleeping
[09:22] <khermansen> which one?
[09:22]  * gnomefreak fixed systems all day long
[09:23] <khermansen> gnomefreak, im no linux slouch'
[09:23] <khermansen> but i am still not an expert on apt/dpkg
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #158270 in gimp (main) "Gimp draws circles under cursor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158270
[09:27] <gnomefreak> there are a few ways to try and fix this easiest first
[09:27] <gnomefreak> khermansen: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade if it fails sudo apt-get -f install
[09:28] <gnomefreak> khermansen: why dont you have GUI?
[09:28] <khermansen> gnomefreak, dude again, dpkg is broken
[09:28] <gnomefreak> khermansen: run the commands
[09:29]  * gnomefreak sees GUI apps in your error
[09:29] <khermansen> gnomefreak, i dont have gui because it is a remote ssh connection, i could forward X, but it is not the point
[09:29] <khermansen> the point is i shouldnt have to use gui
[09:29] <khermansen> like if this was a server, i would be pissed
[09:29] <gnomefreak> khermansen: ok let me know what apt-get -f install output if dist-upgrade doesnt download  packages
[09:30] <khermansen> gnomefreak, i cant now, my father shut down the machine and is going to bed
[09:30] <gnomefreak> ok
[09:30] <khermansen> best solution for me is just to have him reinstall base from get-selections
[09:30] <khermansen> not worth trying to fix...
[09:31] <khermansen> thanks anyways
[09:31] <gnomefreak> khermansen: if that doesnt work you need to read or post the /var/log/dist-upgrade files as they will tells us where it fails and what failed but i still think installing updated dpkg will work
[09:31] <khermansen> i alredy dide
[09:31] <khermansen> gnomefreak, dude updating dpkg failed due to broken libc6
[09:32] <gnomefreak> khermansen: again its fixible
[09:32] <khermansen> gnomefreak, everything is fixable if you have the time
[09:32] <khermansen> unfortunately my time is worth too much
[09:32] <gnomefreak> khermansen: dont need a bunch of time need full errors
[09:33] <gnomefreak> and your post doesnt have the files needed to diagnose the issue properly and quickly
[09:33] <khermansen> gnomefreak, which files?
[09:34] <gnomefreak> khermansen: the 3 files in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[09:34] <khermansen> i already added them dude
[09:34] <khermansen> check again
[09:34] <gnomefreak> khermansen: i dont see them on the bug
[09:34] <khermansen> hit refresh :-)
[09:35] <gnomefreak> was on the comment persia gave me
[09:36] <khermansen> gnomefreak, well anywasy, thanks for trying
[09:37] <gnomefreak> seems to be caused by the packages in the backports repo
[09:38] <gnomefreak> update dist-upgrade after commenting them out should work
[09:38] <gnomefreak> 2007-10-29 03:49:36,136 ERROR IOError in cache.commit(): 'Failed to fetch http://ubuntu.mirror.rafal.ca/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gutenprint/gimp-print_5.0.1-0ubuntu8_i386.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)
[09:38] <gnomefreak> '. Retrying (currentTry: 0)
[09:38] <gnomefreak> that looks like the start of the failure
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #158273 in ubuntu "The i386 live-cd doesn't boot on 64 bits" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158273
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #158274 in gnome-panel (main) "the workpages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158274
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #158275 in update-manager (main) "Update manager from feisty to gutsy crashed - kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158275
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #158284 in ubuntu "CUPS printing problems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158284
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #158287 in totem (main) "close window button does not work while volume adjust bar is open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158287
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #158288 in redhat-cluster-suite (main) "Node hangs at clvm when joining cluster" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158288
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #158289 in command-not-found (main) "Typing .. gives: Command '..' is available in the following places" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158289
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #158290 in totem (main) "Totem: Could not write to resouce" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158290
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #158291 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice.org Spreadsheet can't print all or selected pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158291
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #158292 in xrandr (main) "Bottom task bar moves up an inch when I connect to external video/projector" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158292
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #158293 in ubuntu "problème de graphisme sur l' écran " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158293
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #158294 in ubuntu "[gutsy/amd64] kernel won't boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158294
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #158295 in ubuntu "NFS client support isn't installed in Ubuntu 7.10 i386" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158295
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #158299 in ubuntu "network control panel, hosts tab problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158299
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #158300 in libvncserver (main) "no screen updates when using desktop effects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158300
[12:22] <alfredio_> Hi all, I'd like to report a small bug (or whishlist) in the {"",x,k}ubuntu splash screen program, during shutdown
[12:23] <alfredio_> can I start? is anyone listening?
[12:23] <jeromeg> alfredio_: could you please use LP, it's the purpose of this website ?
[12:24] <jeromeg> no "?" sorry
[12:24] <alfredio_> ok, it's so a small bug that it would be quicker to tell it here rather than creating a new account and so on...
[12:25] <alfredio_> btw, it's writing "now you can turn off your computer" if hardware does not support apm (advanced power management) or later
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #158301 in firefox (main) "Firefox CPU over use & freeze" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158301
[12:27] <jeromeg> alfredio_: but if someone needs to contact you later, how will he do that ?
[12:27] <jeromeg> alfredio_: LP is not here to bother you :)
[12:27]  * persia also wonders how the software is supposed to turn off a computer that supports neither apm nor acpi
[12:28] <alfredio_> I do agree, you are right for medium/large size bugs
[12:28] <alfredio_> but this one is not actually a bug
[12:28] <alfredio_> and LP is overshooting on it :-)
[12:29] <alfredio_> btw, I'm creating my account :-)
[12:30] <jeromeg> alfredio_: good
[12:30]  * Hobbsee suspects that it's not an easy bug to fix.
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #158302 in ubuntu "Adept Manager-Crash: KQemu-source" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158302
[12:31] <persia> Hobbsee: You'd need a special USB robot to go find the power button :)
[12:31] <jeromeg> alfredio_: devs are very busy, by reporting the bug, you get more chances to see it fixed one day.
[12:32] <alfredio_> yes, you convinced me, it's better to leave some "official" traces of it :-)
[12:33] <jeromeg> good
[12:33] <alfredio_> no special USB robot, if hardware does not have USB :-) (what about a serial one? :-))
[12:34] <alfredio_> can you kindly help me identifying the boot splash package? thank you...
[12:34] <persia> alfredio_: That also works :)  Hard to fit on the CD though :(
[12:35] <jeromeg> alfredio_: usplash ?
[12:35] <alfredio_> thank you very much (not so expert in ubuntu packaging :-))
[12:36] <jeromeg> np
[12:41] <alfredio_> done #158310, thank you all for the support, see you soon!
[12:42] <ubotu> New bug: #158304 in xorg (main) "Xorg sporadically requires long keypresses in order to register typing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158304
[12:42] <ubotu> New bug: #158305 in gnome-app-install (main) "text of install-codec dialog is confusing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158305
[12:42] <ubotu> New bug: #158307 in openoffice.org (main) "Calc print prewiev / printing multiple sheets" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158307
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #158308 in yelp (main) "Upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10 blocked with following error message:" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158308
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #158309 in ubuntu "[gutsy] ntfs usb hdd not mounted in kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158309
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #158310 in usplash (main) "Write "Now you can turn off your computer" if hardware does not support apm or acpi" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158310
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #158311 in ubuntu "nattessz" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158311
[12:57] <zul>  /win 13
[13:10] <ubotu> New bug: #158314 in evolution (main) "Address Book Search applet does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158314
[13:15] <ubotu> New bug: #158313 in kdepim (main) "Email Address with é parsing error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158313
[13:20] <ubotu> New bug: #145060 in exaile "No stars displayed under rating" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145060
[13:20] <ubotu> New bug: #158315 in nvidia-settings (restricted) "Problem with nvidia-settings, nvidia driver and the "Scrren and Graphics" assistent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158315
[13:20] <ubotu> New bug: #158317 in compiz (main) "Random screen flicker on Dell Inspiron 9400" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158317
[13:20] <ubotu> New bug: #158318 in sauerbraten (multiverse) "please sync version  0.0.20070819.dfsg-1 from unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158318
[13:20] <ubotu> New bug: #158319 in sauerbraten-data (multiverse) "please sync version 0.0.20070819.dfsg-1 from unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158319
[13:25] <ubotu> New bug: #158316 in ubuntu "hibernate lock up (Non Resuming)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158316
[13:25] <ubotu> New bug: #158320 in network-manager (main) "[gutsy] slow to detect/unable to connect to wireless network" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158320
[13:46] <ubotu> New bug: #158323 in network-manager (main) "Ultra60 SPARC Ethernet issue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158323
[13:55] <ubotu> New bug: #158325 in openoffice.org (main) "Norwegian spell check  missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158325
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #158327 in totem (main) "did not receive the proper Flash player,so it will not work at all" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158327
[14:15] <ubotu> New bug: #158329 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "Screen resolution is reset after every login (Xubuntu in VirtualBox)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158329
[14:22] <ubotu> New bug: #158330 in kwirelessmonitor (universe) "UBUNTU 7.1 wireless - OK!  KUBUNTU 7.1 wireless not..." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158330
[14:31] <ubotu> New bug: #158334 in evince (main) "Evince segfaults trying to open the pdf file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158334
[14:31] <ubotu> New bug: #158335 in quodlibet-plugins (universe) "Hidden dependency on lastfmsubmitd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158335
[14:47] <bddebian> Boo
[14:51] <ubotu> New bug: #158340 in evolution (main) "Cannot configure Evolution to get emails from /var/mail/My_User" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158340
[14:58]  * DShepherd runs and hides
[15:13] <ubotu> New bug: #158339 in xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse (universe) "xorg is configured to use vmmouse but vmmouse is not installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158339
[15:13] <ubotu> New bug: #158343 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Screen dims and brightens randomly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158343
[15:13] <ubotu> New bug: #158345 in gnome-keyring-manager (main) "Access denied to the keyring when opening Gnome Keyring Manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158345
[15:57] <ubotu> New bug: #158349 in ubuntu "ld.so.conf.d file(s) needs .conf extension" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158349
[15:58] <ubotu> New bug: #158348 in ubuntu "America/Havana non-DST info wrong for 2007" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158348
[16:04] <ubotu> New bug: #158358 in ubuntu "laptop goes back to summer time after suspend/resume" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158358
[16:04] <ubotu> New bug: #158359 in openoffice.org (main) "[gutsy] Writer: inconsistent italic/normal font" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158359
[16:06] <ubotu> New bug: #158360 in ubuntu "No warning to users about open apps on shutdown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158360
[16:16] <ubotu> New bug: #158362 in openoffice.org (main) "Error while saving in OpenOffice 2.3 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158362
[16:48] <ubotu> New bug: #158371 in ubufox (main) "Wrong password when adding plugin via Ubufox results in failure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158371
[16:52] <ubotu> New bug: #158373 in openoffice.org (main) "[OO] openoffice can not open a file from a smb share" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158373
[16:56] <ubotu> New bug: #158370 in evince (main) "[evince] close when load a signed document" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158370
[16:56] <ubotu> New bug: #158375 in mnogosearch (universe) "mnogosearch configure error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158375
[17:00] <ubotu> New bug: #158369 in ubuntu "Ubuntu has no "Welcome Tour" video" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158369
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #158376 in compiz (main) "compiz blur plugin doesn't blur correctly all the time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158376
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #158378 in ubuntu "screen freezes, Gutsy.. hangs!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158378
[17:05] <ubotu> New bug: #158380 in kdepim (main) "Korganizer should hide duplicates from multiple calendars" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158380
[17:06] <ubotu> New bug: #158379 in kdepim (main) "kmail: "unable to perform list operation"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158379
[17:18] <ubotu> New bug: #158382 in compiz (main) "fglrx >= 8.42 now support AIGLX" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158382
[17:18] <ubotu> New bug: #158383 in kommando (universe) "kommando shortcuts sometimes stops working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158383
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #158385 in vim (main) "addons path wrong in debian.vim" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158385
[17:36] <ubotu> New bug: #158388 in gnome-panel (main) "applets changes position on the panel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158388
[17:36] <ubotu> New bug: #158389 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox won't recognize a blank CD in my drive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158389
[17:36] <ubotu> New bug: #158390 in gpgp (universe) "GnomePGP don't work in gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158390
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #158391 in openoffice.org (main) "input field change crashes openoffice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158391
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #158392 in gnome-themes (main) "a ubuntu thame with dark background" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158392
[18:01] <ubotu> New bug: #158393 in evolution (main) "Evolution crashes trying to load." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158393
[18:05] <ubotu> New bug: #158395 in yelp (main) "Synaptic is generating a fail message" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158395
[18:05] <stevecrozz> There seems to be an evolution-exchange issue that's been overlooked, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-exchange/+bug/10669, is there any way to get this some more attention since it seems to have had a very recent resurgence?
[18:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 10669 in evolution-exchange "Filters are not applied to new mail on Exchange" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[18:08] <DShepherd> hey.... i really want to help out with bugs.. cause there's some gutsy bugs that are just annoying me
[18:09] <DShepherd> can anyone be a guide?
[18:11] <ubotu> New bug: #158396 in kdepim (main) "Korganizer - exchange plugin doesn't work without editable ics" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158396
[18:20] <ubotu> New bug: #158399 in system-config-samba (universe) "samba configuration applet does not cover user configuration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158399
[18:36] <ubotu> New bug: #158400 in pidgin (main) "[CVE-2007-4999] pidgin HTML Processing Denial of Service" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158400
[18:36] <ubotu> New bug: #158401 in ubuntu "Intlclock does not take keyboard focus." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158401
[18:41] <ubotu> New bug: #158403 in gnome-games (main) "Minor/Major lines indistinguishable in gnome-sudoku" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158403
[18:51] <ubotu> New bug: #158406 in cups-pdf (main) "CUPS-PDF folder" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158406
[18:55] <ubotu> New bug: #158407 in ubiquity (main) "Ubiquity causes MBR problems; fails to install grub" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158407
[18:55] <ubotu> New bug: #158408 in alltray (universe) "Program minimized with alltray does not come back into view." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158408
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #158405 in gnome-system-monitor (main) "cannot use gnome-system-monitor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158405
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #158409 in ubuntu "Resume fails on Gutsy for Sony vaio SZ2XP" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158409
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #158410 in eog (main) "Fullscreen flickers badly in EOG." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158410
[19:05] <ubotu> New bug: #158412 in synaptic (main) "files list file for package `gnome-accessibility-themes' is missing final newline" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158412
[19:06] <ubotu> New bug: #158411 in ubuntu "Printing from gnome-apps fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158411
[19:10] <ubotu> New bug: #158413 in ubuntu "unsafe erased file on dual system vista ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158413
[19:17] <bgsneeze> Hello, I upgraded from7.04 to 7.10 and now my samba server will not join My windows 2000 AD domain, I have not changed any settings in my config files. Is this a known problem with 7.10 or samba. Are there any work arounds?
[19:26] <ubotu> New bug: #158414 in wesnoth (universe) "denial of service in wesnoth client and server prior 1.2.7 release" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158414
[19:26] <ubotu> New bug: #158416 in ubuntu "no sound on my laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158416
[19:31] <ubotu> New bug: #158418 in ubuntu "volume invissible desktop icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158418
[19:31] <ubotu> New bug: #158419 in banshee (universe) "Banshee crashes when file/directory is not present" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158419
[19:35] <ubotu> New bug: #158420 in xchat (universe) "xchat will not show new text " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158420
[19:50] <ubotu> New bug: #158423 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "Crash when loading inside window.onload in 0-sized embed tag" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158423
[19:50] <ubotu> New bug: #158424 in evince (main) "Ctrl-O, not Alt-F4, should open document in evince" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158424
[19:51] <ubotu> New bug: #158421 in meta-kde (main) "randr screen rotation in gutsy release under KDE only" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158421
[20:15] <ubotu> New bug: #158425 in ubuntu "failed to initialize HAL!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158425
[20:21] <ubotu> New bug: #158427 in update-manager (main) "Most menu items a preceded by generic labels "_: Entries in K-menu..."" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158427
[20:22] <ubotu> New bug: #158426 in evolution (main) "When dpi is smaller than 96, font in Calendar too large" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158426
[20:25] <DShepherd> when is the next hug day?
[20:26] <ubotu> New bug: #158428 in ubuntu "LOW Graphics mode is a MASSIVE FAILURE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158428
[20:31] <ubotu> New bug: #158430 in acpi-support (main) "Thinkpad volume control on seroids" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158430
[20:35] <ubotu> New bug: #158432 in abiword (main) "AbiWord displays opened file then immediately crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158432
[20:41] <ubotu> New bug: #158431 in rdiff-backup (main) "rdiff-backup throws traceback output" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158431
[20:41] <ubotu> New bug: #158433 in knetworkmanager (main) "KNetworkManager connect button disabled w/stored key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158433
[20:42] <ubotu> New bug: #158434 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "fabicell unlock" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158434
[21:00] <ubotu> New bug: #158436 in ubuntu "[gutsy] key release events get lost" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158436
[21:00] <ubotu> New bug: #158437 in ubuntu "gksudo nautilus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158437
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #158439 in ubuntu "Greek Polytonic keyboard doesn't work!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158439
[21:16] <ubotu> New bug: #158438 in gnome-games (main) "gnect crashed with SIGSEGV (crash if first move is in the middle) (dup-of: 146411)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158438
[21:16] <ubotu> New bug: #158441 in ubuntu "Printer won't work." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158441
[21:26] <ubotu> New bug: #158442 in ubuntu "Kernel update to 2.6.20-16, won't boot now (grub)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158442
[21:36] <ubotu> New bug: #158445 in language-pack-gnome-fr-base (main) "nautilus preferences french translation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158445
[21:36] <ubotu> New bug: #158446 in gnome-panel (main) "workspace switcher issues" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158446
[21:37] <ubotu> New bug: #158162 in rosetta "translations mixed up, wrong languages for kde-guidance  (dup-of: 133315)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158162
[21:41] <ubotu> New bug: #158447 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] btpd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158447
[21:47] <ubotu> New bug: #158448 in gnome-panel (main) "hiding/unhiding gnome-panel with left button causes whole screen shudder" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158448
[21:47] <ubotu> New bug: #158449 in cyrus-imapd (universe) "sieve does not move emails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158449
[21:50] <ubotu> New bug: #158296 in ubuntu "Computer does not react after switching from X to console and at the shut down (sometimes)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158296
[21:50] <ubotu> New bug: #158451 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] shorten" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158451
[21:50] <ubotu> New bug: #158452 in tracker (main) "minor UI error: tracker-preferences spelling error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158452
[21:52] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: thanks for your work on bug 156085!
[21:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156085 in qemu "Could not open /proc/bus/usb/devices" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156085
[21:53] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: two notes however: 1. you do not need to nominate it for hardy (it's the development version)
[21:53] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: 2. You should not set it to "Fix committed" (which means that it's e.g. in gutsy-proposed). A patch attached to the bug is not fix committed.
[21:54] <IntuitiveNipple> blueyed: Okay... the SRU wiki page isn't exactly clear on that but I did wonder since there was no option to nominate on the other patch I posted today.
[21:54] <crimsun_> "Fix committed" implies that there's an existing fix that has already been applied /somewhere/
[21:54] <crimsun_> the presence of a patch is necessary but not sufficient
[21:54] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh.... I do wish the various instructions were brought together in a wimple workflow diagram! I'm currently modelling the complete workflow in Dia so I have it clear :)
[21:55] <IntuitiveNipple> So I set them back to 'In Progress' ?
[21:55] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: great idea! Please make it available then. See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[21:56] <IntuitiveNipple> blueyed: I'm just documenting all the various patch systems and their commands... You heard of nightmares...? !
[21:56] <blueyed> crimsun_: so even if you make a custom made .deb available on your webspace/ppa - it would be "Fix committed" (for Ubuntu)?
[21:57] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, just updated bug #124336 as well
[21:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124336 in network-manager-applet "nm-applet crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_combo_box_set_model" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124336
[21:57] <IntuitiveNipple> Ahhh.. you can't undo nominations, grrr
[21:58] <IntuitiveNipple> blueyed: That's a good question because for 124336 I provided a deb for people to test
[21:58] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: it's not in progress anymore, if you've attached the (final) patch. Also, you should de-assign yourself and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors/ubuntu-main-sponsors (the latter has been done)
[21:59] <IntuitiveNipple> blueyed: I subscribed ubuntu-sru as per the Wiki
[21:59] <IntuitiveNipple> blueyed: I kept it assigned to me in case more needed doing until more confirmations the fix works came in.
[21:59] <IntuitiveNipple> blueyed: What status should it be at then?
[22:00] <blueyed> Yes, they will accept your nomination for gutsy (or reject it).
[22:00] <blueyed> It should be Confirmed and de-assigned (else nobody will pick it up probably)
[22:00] <IntuitiveNipple> So it sort-of goes back a step, in the Status list? ok
[22:01] <blueyed> yes. I'm not really sure myself - but that's how I understand it.
[22:01] <molnitza> It seems, that in Ubuntu 7.10 is a bug with the module from serialmonkey for wlan cars with rt2500 chipset
[22:01] <blueyed> You may want to add a "patch" tag.
[22:01] <molnitza> *cards
[22:02] <IntuitiveNipple> blueyed: So I should subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors as well as ubuntu-sru when it applies to release and development ?
[22:02] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: yes. Non-security fixes have to be uploaded to the development version first.
[22:03] <blueyed> molnitza: bug 144448 ?
[22:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144448 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "rt2500usb module not working with asus wl-167g wifi stick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144448
[22:03] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, I'd best ensure I've subscribed u-m-s to all the fixes I'm publishing
[22:03] <molnitza> wait
[22:04] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: depends on the package.
[22:04] <blueyed> if it's in universe, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors instead.
[22:04]  * IntuitiveNipple feels his brain turning to mush
[22:05] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: there are just two teams for main and universe sponsors.. :)
[22:05] <molnitza> blueyed: Yes, but not with the usb stick... i have the pci version
[22:05] <ubotu> New bug: #158458 in gnome-panel (main) "minor UI: notification area doesn't properly clean rendering up after tooltips cover it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158458
[22:05] <ubotu> New bug: #158459 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "installing sun-java6 doesn't change all related links in /etc/alternatives" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158459
[22:06] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, so that's universe so ubuntu-universe-sponsors ?
[22:06] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: yes.
[22:06] <IntuitiveNipple> I tell you, it's so much easier working on the kernel!
[22:06] <blueyed> molnitza: but the bug may be the same..
[22:06] <ubotu> New bug: #158453 in compiz (main) "System bell causes blur to lose acceleration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158453
[22:06] <ubotu> New bug: #158454 in gnome-ppp (universe) "gnome-ppp does not minimise on connection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158454
[22:07] <ubotu> New bug: #158457 in eclipse (universe) "Warn Eclipse users if they aren't running a supported platform" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158457
[22:07] <IntuitiveNipple> I've wasted hours trying to get clarification on the various packaging hoops for fixing bugs. It only took me 5 minutes to prepare the bug fixes themselves!
[22:07] <blueyed> molnitza: can you take a look at the mentioned bug 147811 there.. is it a duplicate?
[22:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147811 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Ubuntu 7.10 Wireless Interface WEP password login problem with Asus WL-167G Usb Wlan Adapter" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147811
[22:07] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: yes, it's difficult in the beginning, but you get used to it with a little training.. :)
[22:08] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: you may just have attached a patch and wait for someone to package it..
[22:09] <IntuitiveNipple> blueyed: A simple pictorial workflow would do wonders. I'm using mine as a blueprint to write a packaging-management-system that will automate the processes for me, and save me forgetting the intricacies each time!
[22:09] <IntuitiveNipple> blueyed: Well, I never like leaving a job half-done
[22:10] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: I see. In the end it's quite simple, if you use tools like "debuild", "dch", "pbuilder" (needs setup), ... the more you package, the more you learn about it.
[22:12] <IntuitiveNipple> I have pbuilders for all the releases and arches
[22:13] <IntuitiveNipple> The thing is I'll only be doing packaging to complete bug-fixes, my main focus is the kernel
[22:15] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: Great! I'm just reading about it on you LP overview.
[22:18] <ubotu> New bug: #158444 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Kernel panic on boot after upgrade to Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158444
[22:18] <IntuitiveNipple> blueyed: If you want to review/critique the Dia workflow it's at http://intuitivenipple.net/dev/ubuntu/
[22:19] <IntuitiveNipple> blueyed: Unfortunately the Dia SVG export isn't very good
[22:28] <ubotu> New bug: #158443 in evolution (main) "Remove the line around the statusbar when Sending/Receiving" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158443
[22:30] <ubotu> New bug: #158461 in ubuntu "Eclipse documentation not installed " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158461
[22:34] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: looks good! (I've never had a package with quilt and would use just dpatch-edit-patch PATCHNAME.
[22:34] <blueyed> I've opened it with dia - and noticed that there are no associations to automatically open it in FF and Konqueror.
[22:35] <IntuitiveNipple> blueyed: I guess I'd need to set a mime-type on my server... I wonder what they use
[22:35] <IntuitiveNipple> I added one the other day for .debs so they didn't get passed over as text/plain !
[22:37] <blueyed> yes, it's text/plain currently. application/x-dia-diagram would be it.
[22:40] <IntuitiveNipple> sorted
[22:40] <ubotu> New bug: #158462 in eclipse (universe) "Eclipse features not configured properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158462
[22:40] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: you may want to add "what-patch" to the "Which patch system?" question.. it's in ubuntu-dev-tools.
[22:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Are they breeding!?
[22:42] <blueyed> What do you mean?
[22:42] <IntuitiveNipple> patching systems... seems like I find a new one every day :)
[22:42] <blueyed> Works in FF, but not Konqueror. But it does not work with a local file in KDE/Konqueror neither, but Nautilus/Gnome.
[22:43] <blueyed> what-patch knows about: cdbs, quilt, dbs, dpatch and "diff splash".. :)
[22:45] <ubotu> New bug: #158463 in mozilla-firefox (main) "Profiles don't work properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158463
[22:45] <ubotu> New bug: #158464 in fluidsynth (universe) "FALSE WARNING->fluidsynth: warning: ALSA sequencer buffer overrun, lost evnts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158464
[22:47] <IntuitiveNipple> I see now... I just grabbed the source of u-d-t. I'll use that in my PMS as one of the call-outs
[22:47] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm debating whether to write it as a plug-in to Eclipse, or a stand-alone glade+python app
[22:50] <ubotu> New bug: #158466 in ubuntu "OpenOffice 2.3 freeze with actions in calc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158466
[22:51] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: I would prefer the latter, the dependency bar seems lower.
[22:54] <IntuitiveNipple> blueyed: It's a dilema... I use Eclipse for all my projects, the git plug-in is coming along nicely, my integrated out-of-tree build is in there, and I was looking at writing a baxaar plug-in too. This would round it off nicely
[22:54] <IntuitiveNipple> s/baxaar/bazaar/
[22:55] <ubotu> New bug: #158460 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "kernel 2.6.22-14.46 in alternate/live oopses with ST340823A hard drive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158460
[22:57] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: sorry, I can't really help you with this. I've neither used glade+python nor the eclipse plugin framework yet. But if you do all your stuff with Eclipse...
[22:59] <IntuitiveNipple> Yeah. The dilema is, how re-usable is it if it's on Eclipse. I might be able to do a framework that is python, and then have it called into from either the Java plug-in (which uses SWT for its GUI) or else python-glade for a Gnomish GUI
[23:00] <IntuitiveNipple> The PMs itself will be a set of rules and decisions that run back-end scripts with defined return values that the PMS will use to follow the work-flow, so it should be possible to do that.
[23:01] <ubotu> New bug: #158468 in openoffice.org (main) "[gutsy] openoffice writer crashes when selecting a graphic in a document imported from Word." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158468
[23:03] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: sounds interesting, but I'm not really sure, if an automated tool can handle that much really for you..
[23:03] <blueyed> but somehow it's like foo-edit-patch, which is also already a great help.
[23:05] <IntuitiveNipple> I've designed/written similar stuff before: rules-based framework & engine. I'm currently developing another one for automating QA testing for Hardy so I can probably kill 2 birds with 1 stone, as the saying goes.
[23:11] <ubotu> New bug: #158470 in ubuntu "cannot open openoffice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158470
[23:16] <ubotu> New bug: #158472 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes after file upload" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158472
[23:16] <ubotu> New bug: #158473 in firefox (main) "firefox freeze " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158473
[23:30] <ubotu> New bug: #158478 in ubuntu "dvd cd usb not automounting - Gutsy." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158478
[23:30] <ubotu> New bug: #158479 in gdebi (main) "GDebi can't handle paths which include spaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158479
[23:33] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: automatic desktop testing?
[23:35] <ubotu> New bug: #158481 in network-manager (main) "IPv6 causes wireless to disconnect/reconnect often" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158481
[23:35] <blueyed> see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-automated-tests
[23:38] <IntuitiveNipple> blueyed: I'm focused on all hardware testing, laptop, desktop and server ... been in discussions with Henrik for a while. Lars is doing the desktop-testing and Leann doing kernel QA.
[23:39] <IntuitiveNipple> The intention being to have a framework that automates as much of the QA as early as possible in the development and build processes, so developers can get on with applying their brains to the difficult problems
[23:43] <blueyed> This is really awesome! Really great stuff, and I'm looking forward to see it being used/useful.
[23:45] <ubotu> New bug: #158482 in ubuntu "Wrong Live CD resolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158482
[23:45] <ubotu> New bug: #158483 in evince (main) "evince mishandles duplex printing of multiple copies of PDFs with an odd number of pages." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158483
[23:45] <ubotu> New bug: #158484 in ubuntu "Gutsy: Suspend locks dvb-t output on  Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158484
[23:47] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm trying to get my head around security-updates. Are you familiar with that process?
[23:49] <blueyed> IntuitiveNipple: do you mean StableReleaseUpdates in general / the process?
[23:49] <blueyed> oh, no.
[23:50] <blueyed> -updates vs. -security, right?
[23:50] <blueyed> I'm not familar with it. Just created a debdiff/checked where it was needed once and then Kees uploaded it.
[23:50] <ubotu> New bug: #158486 in ubuntu "Nautilus - ntfs to fat32 file transfer completes successfully, but files are gone after restart." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158486
[23:51] <IntuitiveNipple> I was just trying to work out when security is involved in my workflow. It looks like only for 'current' or 'backports' but not 'development' (since development will be expected tp apply patches up until it becomes 'release' anyhow)
[23:52] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm tracking the nuances like, LTS releases only get security updates but others get backports sometimes. current-release (even an LTS) gets -proposed as far as I can tell
[23:52] <blueyed> yes, for "current" and "supported". "backports" is another thing: there packages from development/later get uploaded to the according -backports repos.
[23:52] <IntuitiveNipple> I think I'll take a break from it my head is in a spin :)
[23:53] <blueyed> LTS can also have backports AFAIK. -proposed is staging/testing for -updates. For -security there's no testing/staging.
[23:53] <IntuitiveNipple> In a week or so when everyone's back from Boston I'll ask for some volunteers to critique the workflow.
[23:53] <blueyed> I don't that you need to consider this in your workflow, except for versions and upload targets in the changelog.
[23:53] <IntuitiveNipple> of course, I was creating two tracks when it is actually -proposed to -updates... doh!
[23:54] <IntuitiveNipple> This is the most important part because it is the bit that impacts other people, if the wrong ppl are subscribed (as I did earlier), or the wrong status set, etc
[23:56] <ubotu> New bug: #158487 in system-config-printer (main) "A way to delete finished jobs needed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158487
[23:59] <IntuitiveNipple> right, I'm off. Thanks for your help :)


[01:10] <OvenWerks> holstein: Lumpy was probably looking for me. I know his setup a bit from the past and what he is trying to do. Ping me if he is around again. I was napping though :)
[01:10] <holstein> OvenWerks: will do
[01:10] <OvenWerks> thanks
[02:59] <Aethysius> This is from a place of ignorance, but what makes Ubuntu Studio different from any other Ubuntu distro? Just the software with which it's packaged?
[03:00] <holstein> basically.. same as xubuntu vs ubuntu or whatever
[03:00] <holstein> ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu, but its quite different
[03:00] <Aethysius> How so?
[03:01] <holstein> we all have access to all the repos.. for example, XFCE is in the repos.. so is unity.. ubuntu uses unity, we and xubuntu use XFCE
[03:02] <Aethysius> Excellent.
[03:02] <Aethysius> I detest Unity.
[03:02] <holstein> i dont
[03:02] <Aethysius> So, US is more akin to Xubuntu?
[03:02] <holstein> i just dont use it, because i dont prefer it.. though, volunteers work on supporting, creating, and maintaining unity, and have come a long way in a short time with it
[03:03] <holstein> Aethysius: xubuntu and ubuntustudio use XFCE
[03:03] <Aethysius> Right.
[03:20] <Aethysius> Sorry to be obtuse sounding.
[03:21] <holstein> nah.. ask what you like.. im just trying to be clear
[03:22] <Aethysius> I'm actually using Kubuntu right now; I might just switch over to US for my main distro; I just use the web browser, IRC, music, and the occasional movie.
[03:22] <holstein> you can use whatever you like from our packages in kubuntu or under kde
[03:22] <holstein> if you like KDE, you like KDE.. and might want to keep it
[03:23] <Aethysius> True.
[03:24] <Aethysius> I like KDE, it just doesn't like some of the software I like. ;)
[03:24] <Unit193> There are metapackages for the different UbuntuStudio tasks, but seems like that'd be overkill.
[03:25] <Aethysius> Oh?
[03:25] <holstein> correct
[03:26] <Unit193> !find ubuntustudio
[03:29] <Aethysius> I see.
[16:19] <occ> has anyone here installed ubuntuStudio 12.04 on a laptop and everything worked out the box?
[16:20] <zequence> occ: What is not working for you?
[16:20] <occ> im just looking for a laptop to buy. and want it to be fully compatible
[16:20] <occ> without tinkering
[16:21] <zequence> occ: Whatever works with Ubuntu will work with Ubuntu Studio, so, if you want to be 100% sure, check out the Ubuntu certified machines
[16:21] <occ> yes iv looked at that list but it is very limited
[16:27] <zequence> occ: I'd just make sure that all the devices are supported
[16:28] <zequence> like, make sure the camera is not custom, or that the wifi is not supported
[16:28] <zequence> but, I wouldn't be able to recommend any machines myself
[16:31] <occ> yeh iv been looking at individual components too. but some manufacturers seem to do retarded stuff on their machines which make anything possible
[16:31] <zequence> system76 makes some nice machines
[16:32] <zequence> https://www.system76.com/
[16:32] <occ> yeh i saw that too.... wish i could get one but cant order stuff online as i need to buy it and have it in the next couple of days
[16:33] <zequence> got to a store with a live DVD or usb stick, and ask if you can test boot
[16:33] <zequence> go*
[16:35] <occ> yeh i might try that
[22:42] <angel> hi
[22:42] <angel>  i can't find midi codecs for ardour
[22:47] <occ> keep looking. dont give up
[23:38] <JailBird> hi everyone
[23:42] <JailBird> Im running ubuntu studio 10.04 and Im having difficulty with the network detection. Im a complete linux noob.
[23:49] <JailBird> I see irc is alive now more than ever.
[23:55] <OvenWerks> lumpy__: I am here now