[22:35] <acicula> Night_Rider, ia64 is a 64 bit vliw architecture, which is not used in consumer hardware
[22:35] <maco> Night_Rider: i see. well i use a intel core 2 duo on this machine (which is amd64)
[22:35] <maco> Night_Rider: dunno what the mobo is. some asus thing.
[22:35] <maco> acicula: itanic ;-)
[22:36] <acicula> Night_Rider, any recent desktop will be able to run ubuntu 64bit code, just (some?) atoms cant
[22:36] <coolstuff> so I'm thinking about building my own PC, but with Ubuntu as the main OS
[22:36] <Night_Rider> maco : I am on intel / amd i have never used.
[22:36] <coolstuff> any parts anyone recommends?
[22:37] <enriq> hi is there a mortal kombat like game for ubuntu?
[22:37] <maco> Night_Rider: most intel 64bit cpus are amd64
[22:37] <MPX> People play mortal kombat on the computer?
[22:38] <MPX> maco, IA64?
[22:38] <acicula> coolstuff, err most desktop components should work just fine, dont overspend on the processor
[22:38] <coolstuff> hmm
[22:38] <maco> Night_Rider: they license the amd64 architecture from amd because intel's own 64bit architecture (ia64 aka itanium, known in the ubuntu developer sphere as "itanic" because so little successfully builds on it) is not backwards compatible with 32bit operating systems
[22:38] <MPX> maco, what really?
[22:38] <acicula> heu ia64 is not remotely related to x86 or amd64
[22:38] <coolstuff> I was just wondering 'cause I heard there were some parts that Linux doesn't work with
[22:38] <maco> MPX: yes
[22:38] <MPX> IA64 is not compatible with 32 bit?
[22:39] <maco> MPX: righto
[22:39] <MPX> Holy...
[22:39] <renodude18> Night_Rider: sorry got another blue screen again
[22:39] <MPX> Hahaha :D
[22:39] <maco> acicula: yes, some newer atoms are 64bit, but the originals were 32bit-only
[22:40] <kroms> nevermind, got two finger scrolling to work.
[22:40] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : What were you doing getting Blue screen. (Please Explain)
[22:41] <maco> coolstuff: i recommend intel if you have a wireless card
[22:41] <KnifeySpooney> Hi, I'm having a problem with my Places menu opening FTP bookmarks for nautilus into Firefox instead of Nautilus.. anybody know a fix?
[22:41] <acicula> coolstuff, yeah there are some parts, but that pertains mostly to laptops or wireless cards
[22:41] <renodude18> Night_Rider: I'm getting the blue screen from the virtual machine. I don't think this machine can run it, so i installed pidgin on windows for now.
[22:41] <maco> coolstuff: and really, intel for graphics too. very good open source drivers. nvidia & ati have spotty drivers
[22:42] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : Virtual Machine | 1. Microsoft Virtual Machine 2. VMware 3. Sun Virtual Box (which one)
[22:42] <coolstuff> I see. I'll go with Intel then, thanks for telling me that
[22:42] <maco> coolstuff: the main problem with nvidia & ati is they remove support for cards from their drivers every so often and then people get upset because gosh darn it this hardware's only two years old and its unsupported again!
[22:42] <sabat> nvidia's drivers are not horrible, ati is a bitch tho.
[22:43] <coolstuff> ha, they should fix that
[22:43] <maco> sabat: watch your language please
[22:43] <renodude18> Night_Rider: Oracle VM Sunvirtual box, forgot that microsoft had one too lol
[22:43] <acicula> coolstuff, if you want to play games you'll want either an nvidia or ati card, otherwise just an intel will do just fine too
[22:43] <maco> coolstuff: in the open drivers, folks can fix that. but not in the proprietary ones.
[22:44] <maco> coolstuff: theres a project called nouveau that has working (and fast) 2d and theyre starting on 3d stuff for nvidia, and thats open source
[22:44] <coolstuff> well I was planning on playing games, but an i7 card would be sufficient, wouldn't it?
[22:44] <coolstuff> oh, awesome
[22:44] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : Are you sure you are going with the default setting to install  Ubuntu
[22:44] <acicula> i was using ati binary drivers on an old 9700 pro not so long ago, 2 years of support seems a bit of a stretch
[22:44] <maco> coolstuff: and ati has a proprietary driver that mostly works but occasionally drops hardware support at which point you switch to the open source driver which may or may not have 3d support for that card but at least has 2d
[22:45] <renodude18> Night_Rider: On which, the Wubi install or the Virtual box install?
[22:45] <MACscr> why is it that when i import a theme, it doesnt seem to give it its own name and just goes under the custom category? that means that i cant have more than one custom theme installed at a time (obviously im not wanting them running at the same time)
[22:45] <maco> acicula: im not sure exactly how long as i only use intel graphics, but i have seen rants about how this hardware's not that old and how dare they
[22:45] <coolstuff> hmm, okay, so should I go with an i7 Intel card or an ati/nvidia card
[22:45] <renodude18> Night_Rider: I'm not worried about the virtual box install. its getting the wireless working in the Wubi install that matters most
[22:46] <acicula> maco, thats more likely related to people ranting about why the latest revision does not include their gfx anymore and they have to install the legacy version instead
[22:46] <maco> coolstuff: i guess it depends how long you tend to keephardware ;-)
[22:46] <sabat> ya, my laptop video card became unsupported, it an ATI. my laptop isn't even that old. it
[22:46] <coolstuff> i7 it is!
[22:46] <maco> coolstuff: i keep a desktop going for about 10 years
[22:46] <coolstuff> oh wow
[22:46] <coolstuff> 10 years
[22:46] <coolstuff> sheesh
[22:47] <coolstuff> I can only keep one going for about 5 or 6
[22:47] <maco> still got a pentium 2 at dad's place!
[22:47] <maco>  12 years old :)
[22:47] <renodude18> lol i remeber when P2's were king of the computer world, wow that wasn't that long ago!
[22:47] <maco> when it was 9 years old i upgraded it from 192mb ram to 384
[22:47] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : Wubi  had complains : 1. Could not login : keyboard 2. wireless ( try to google)
[22:48] <timmy_>  , <M
[22:48] <coolstuff> is it running damn small linux or something, maco?
[22:48] <maco> coolstuff: debian
[22:48] <coolstuff> ah
[22:48] <renodude18> Night_Rider: so the new 10.04 Wubi is troublesome?
[22:48] <maco> coolstuff: 5gb hard drive. can handle plenty more than dsl ;-) and i did have ubuntu 7.04 on it at one point
[22:48] <coolstuff> oh, awesome
[22:49] <coolstuff> actually
[22:49] <coolstuff> I'm running 10.04 on my '06 iMac right now
[22:49] <coolstuff> works fine
[22:49] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : Let me put this way (how many times did you try to install Ubuntu through wubi)
[22:51] <renodude18> Night_Rider: twice, both times work. but i was told that i could access windows files from ubuntu, but wasn't so i did a re-install
[22:53] <greezmunkey> lo
[22:53] <acerimmer> renodude18: wubi is a pain to maintain bcz of windows faults.  Urge you to consider a side by side dual boot installation
[22:54] <craigbass1976> When I switch users on a lucid box, everything goes black with a pointer.  I am ssh-ed into the box though, so it's not too crazy, but sitting at the box itself I can't see anything
[22:54] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : You installer (wubi) is corrupted.. 2) Un-install (remove it from the windows registry also & try again.
[22:55] <renodude18> acerimmer: I would but i don't want to mess with the hard drive on this system since windows is still used, I've had problems in the past with not being able to remove the Grub Loader and not getting into windows
[22:55] <renodude18> Night_Rider: Would that Cure the no wireless?
[22:56] <craigbass1976> Also, when I first switch users and hover the pointer around, it switches to a cursor in one section, so I'm guessing the computer is sitll throwing up the passwrod dialog.  Also, Ctrl + Alt + F1 shows nothing, but I can type a username, password, and sudo init 6 to reboot the box
[22:56] <acerimmer> well so long as u understand that you'll likely experience multiple faults under wubi.  Maybe install ubuntu to a windows hosted virtual box?
[22:57] <renodude18> acerrimmer: I already have it installed, its painfully slow on this laptop under a virtual install. so far under wubi it runs fine other then no internet
[22:57] <Theravadan> fs.file-max = 1000000 yet ulimit -n 9999  = ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted .. .why can't I do this?
[22:57] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : Piratically you got to try its only through wubi ; later you can simply un-install to get rid of it.
[22:58] <renodude18> Night_Rider: so i need to keep trying to get the wireless working while its installed under wubi, then uninstall it to fix the windows problem?
[22:58] <pfifo> how can i check my harddrive for bad sectors?
[22:59] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : windows problem ?
[23:00] <renodude18> Night_Rider: Meaning not being able to view files on the windows side in ubuntu
[23:00] <s8t8s> hello
[23:01] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : when you are done with Ubuntu you can easily access to resource of windows.
[23:01] <Pytlask1> Heya! Does anyone know of any issues with 10.04 I should know about before upgrading from 9.10?
[23:01] <sebsebseb> Pytlask1: yeah
[23:02] <renodude18> Night_Rider: I was told that i can view files from in ubuntu that are on the windows side of things, that is what i was meaning
[23:02] <renodude18> All: does anyone know of a way to get ubuntu 9.10 still?
[23:02] <sebsebseb> Pytlask1: if you have propritary Nivida (and I think its ATI as well) driver installed, the boot up may go rather odd on you, since the driver won't like.
[23:02] <sebsebseb> !notes | Pytlask1
[23:03] <Pytlask1> sebsebseb: Ah, thanks!
[23:03] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : Yes you can view fies from Ubuntu | as  windows is the header. (its simple)
[23:03] <sebsebseb> Pytlask1: an then theres a way to do text boot, or  opendriver only for boot up
[23:03] <sebsebseb> Pytlask1: np
[23:04] <renodude18> Night_Rider: I figured it would be, but i can't view the files in ubuntu from the windows partition
[23:05] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : What was the error you were getting while trying to...
[23:06] <renodude18> Night_Rider: no error, I would imagine that it would show up on the desktop or in the computer area, it would show up as a hard drive. but no sign of it on ubuntu
[23:07] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : File system dosn't work that way like a USB.
[23:07] <LinuxNoob> When I try to boot into Ubuntu Lucid Lynx, I get something like an ICEauthority error...
[23:08] <renodude18> Night_rider: in previous versions of ubuntu i was able to read a windows/NTFS partition in ubuntu and it would appear on the desktop like another hard drive
[23:08] <MACscr> im getting disconnected quite often to my ftp bookmark. Any tips on what i can do to remedy that?
[23:08] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : Places..Network..windows network..(things like that)
[23:08] <Andorin> Is there any way to add this unallocated space to /dev/sda1 without erasing any partitions? http://bayimg.com/image/pamooaaco.jpg
[23:09] <temp> Why doest't 10.04 require me to install nvidia drivers like previous versions where it prompted you if you would like to install nonfree software?
[23:09] <MACscr> temp: it probably is using hte open source ones right now
[23:09] <renodude18> Night_Rider: ok, i'll look into that when i'm on ubuntu again. but how can i get my dell wireless 1370 to work in it. you mentioned earlier that ubuntu 9.10 may work with it?
[23:09] <MACscr> did you go to hardware drivers to see if the nonfree ones were available?
[23:10] <temp> Wow. Didn't know there were open source ones I even searched
[23:10] <pixolin> Hi. It looks like I shot the Ubuntu splash-screen that comes right before the system is booted, the one with the dots under the ubuntu
[23:11] <calibre> How do I copy an extention to another file
[23:12] <pixolin> anyone here with a hint how I get that splash screen back? (I'm not talking about the splash screen where you select, what operating system you want to run.)
[23:12] <calibre> Sorry
[23:12] <calibre> How do I copy a file.
[23:12] <greezmunkey> pixolin: what did you do to kill it?
[23:12] <pfifo> calibre, can you explain a little further
[23:12] <vlt> calibre: cp <file> <copy>
[23:12] <Night_Rider> !Hardware | ronodude18
[23:13] <merlinux> j #archlinux-co
[23:13] <pfifo> calibre, from a terminal, the 'cp' command, or from nautilus, ctrl+c and ctrl+v
[23:13] <pixolin> greezmunkey, I fiddled aroud with grub2 to get another splash screen when you choose your os, but I'm not sure if that was where I shot it.
[23:13] <m_tadeu> does anyone know what package should I install to have kde api documentation?
[23:13] <Andorin> Is there any way to add this unallocated space to /dev/sda1 without erasing any partitions? http://bayimg.com/image/pamooaaco.jpg
[23:13] <renodude18> Night_Rider: HUH??
[23:14] <greezmunkey> pixolin: did you make a copy of /etc/default/grub before you changed it?
[23:14] <pixolin> uhm .... I'm not really sure, I better should check if I have somethin, right?
[23:14] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : Check the Compatibility of your Laptop.
[23:15] <pfifo> Andorin, yes, move the other partitions so that all the unallocated space is at the end of sda1 and then resize sda1
[23:15] <renodude18> Night_Rider: Mines not listed
[23:15] <greezmunkey> pixolin: do you remember what file you edited?
[23:16] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : The Thread i gave you before (they also had the similar issues regarding the wireless)
[23:16] <calibre> How do I change back to another directory?
[23:16] <pixolin> greezmunkey, /etc/default/grub
[23:16] <bondiblueos9> popd ?
[23:17] <bondiblueos9> if you got there with pushd
[23:17] <HowardTheDuck> yo
[23:17] <bondiblueos9> and if those are the proper commands
[23:17] <vlt> calibre: `cd -`
[23:17] <renodude18> Night_Rider: so does this mean i have no way of getting it to work?
[23:17] <greezmunkey> calibre: cd .., or cd (back to home), or cd /???/??? there are several possibilities.
[23:17] <armor-64> hi i want to play my playstation games in ubuntu via some program!dou you know how?
[23:17] <pixolin> I made a copy of /etc/grub.d but it looks like I misses /etc/defaults/grub.
[23:17] <armor-64> p.s playstasion 2 games
[23:17] <mkhanyisi> I had two hard drives and one died and I lost data that was on it. I am hearing people talking about RAID, is it advantageous?
[23:18] <erUSUL> !info psx
[23:18] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : Be positive ; before jumping to conclusion try getting more help.
[23:18] <greezmunkey> pixolin: are you familiar with http://paste.ubuntu.com - the pastebin?
[23:18] <pixolin> yes, sure
[23:18] <vlt> mkhanyisi: RAID is good for not having to shutdown your machine when one of the disks fails. But it's not a replacement for backups.
[23:18] <nishanth> can some one help me with a plugin issue on firefox or chrome?
[23:18] <greezmunkey> pixolin: copy the contents of /etc/default/grub so we can go through it.
[23:19] <pixolin> greezmunkey, you want me to paste my ... OK, I see ...
[23:19] <vlt> mkhanyisi: (and you'll keep the data you changed between the last backup and the disk failure, of course ;-)
[23:19] <renodude18> Night_Rider: OK, but after three days of searching, I can't find anything that will work with it. i don't know what to do. i've never had this much of a problem with ubuntu since version 5 something
[23:19] <mkhanyisi> vlt, that was straight to the point. thanks. I thought raid means that you dont have to backup anything
[23:19] <liminal> hello
[23:19] <liminal> im getting a serious error when i install ubuntu
[23:19] <liminal> error informing the kernal about modifications to the partion dev/sda5 -- device or resource buys. This means linux won't know about any changes you made to /dev/sda5 untill you reboot -- so you shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting
[23:19] <liminal> anyone know what the hell is going on with my install?
[23:19] <FloodBot1> liminal: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:19] <wage> The files /usr/share/myspell/dicts/en_ZA are causing problems for a script of mine, is it safe to delete them? Are they just un needed language files?
[23:20] <pfifo> isnt there a way to supress join/part messages in xchat?
[23:20] <mkhanyisi> vlt, so If i want RAID, my hard drives should be identical?
[23:20] <pixolin> greezmunkey, I pasted that under http://paste.ubuntu.com/438525/
[23:20] <bondiblueos9> mkhanyisi, there are a few kinds of raid
[23:20] <bondiblueos9> mkhanyisi, but if you had a mirrored set up, then yes they would
[23:21] <vlt> mkhanyisi: With RAID your server still can get destroyed by a plane crash or a user or drunken admin still delete important stuff ;-)
[23:21] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : Where you on the same laptop? from version 5
[23:21] <greezmunkey> pixolin: change: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=" splash vga=786 quiet"
[23:21] <pixolin> yep, just saw hat line
[23:21] <pixolin> what would I enter there?
[23:22] <renodude18> Night_Rider: No, that was my old desktop that is way gone and dead now
[23:22] <vlt> mkhanyisi: No. Usually you'll be able to use the size of the smallest disks from every other
[23:22] <greezmunkey> pixolin: to: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" - ok, the sudo update-grub, and restart to test
[23:22] <pfifo> mkhanyisi, RAID will only use the size of the smallest drive for all 3, so they should be of equal size, however using identical drives makes shopping easier
[23:23] <greezmunkey> pixolin: ...then sudo update-grub...sorry I can't type today.
[23:23] <pixolin> greezmunkey, OK, I'll try that
[23:23] <Night_Rider> renodude18 : I am really not much familiar with DELL hardware..(later in the session keep asking)
[23:23] <mkhanyisi> vlt, bondiblueos9, pfifo thanks guys, however this thing look tedious
[23:23] <pixolin> greezmunkey, thanks
[23:23] <nishanth> can some one help me with a plugin issue on firefox or chrome?
[23:23] <wad> Hi guys. I just upgraded my computer to 10.04, but grub got confused. It's a dual-boot box, windows on sda, linux on sdb. I had it auto-fix grub-pc, and now I can boot to linux, but the windows boot just sits there and does nothing now. Ideas?
[23:23] <greezmunkey> pixolin: ok :)
[23:23] <renodude18> Night_Rider: Ok
[23:23] <vlt> mkhanyisi: It's VERY easy.
[23:23] <BrainDance> Hey I have a question about whether something is possible or not in Ubuntu, so I don't need actual detailed instructions on how to do it, but just to know if I can possibly do it
[23:24] <BrainDance> So, I'm hoping someone can help me, I asked the other day but everyone was busy
[23:24] <wad> There is no more menu.lst in here... I'm lost!
[23:24] <Night_Rider> nishanth : Plugin issues ???
[23:24] <renodude18> Everyone: Does anyone know how to get a Dell Wireless 1370 MiniPCI to work in Ubuntu 10.04 or ubuntu period?
[23:24] <eye-zak> wad: now using grub2 see /etc/default/grub
[23:24] <greezmunkey> pixolin: you there!!
[23:24] <XStatik> Whats the best cd/dvd burner for ubuntu
[23:24] <wad> thanks, eye-zak!
[23:24] <pixolin> greezmunkey, how about line 7?
[23:24] <Izinucs> How do I discover the current running kernel via cli?
[23:24] <mnemon> well ... how about you ask the question then BrainDance
[23:25] <BrainDance> I have a laptop connected to a wireless router and of course, internet connection. Now I have a desktop with a wifi card in it, it doesn't have the range to connect to the wireless network
[23:25] <nishanth> Night_Rider yes i am not able to play some online live streaming videos
[23:25] <greezmunkey> pixolin: heh, there are others you should probably fix
[23:25] <ania_> wad, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[23:25] <BabyJesus> brainDance, and?
[23:25] <BrainDance> but it can connect to an ad hoc connection if I use wicd, but then the laptop cant connect to the router
[23:25] <vlt> mkhanyisi: AS I said the disks don't _have_ to be identical.  With RAID1 you simply mirror your disk: You get 500 MB out of two 500 MB disks, for example. With RAID5 you get (n-1)*min(size)
[23:25] <BrainDance> if I get another pcmcia wifi card, stick it in the laptop
[23:25] <BabyJesus> BRainDance, oh
[23:25] <Night_Rider> nishanth : what error you are getting?
[23:25] <BrainDance> can I set up an adhoc connection between the desktop and the laptop, and share the internet connection?
[23:25] <nishanth> Night_Rider it says missing plugin in chrome.
[23:26] <BrainDance> while, of course, having the original wireless connection still going in the laptop?
[23:26] <greezmunkey> pixolin: L7 is ok, place a # in front of L17 as well
[23:26] <pixolin> greezmunkey, tell me more ...
[23:26] <BrainDance> I dont know if I explained it well, kind of convoluted, but is that a possibility?
[23:26] <Night_Rider> nishanth : let me give you a link..
[23:26] <greezmunkey> pixolin: just noticed those...
[23:26] <nishanth> Night_Rider it is the microsoft media server plugin or MMS plugin
[23:26] <pixolin> what if I place a # in front of line 8?
[23:26] <mnemon> BrainDance: yes, you propably can do that
[23:26] <renodude18> anyone know how  to get a dell wireless 1370 to work in ubuntu?
[23:26] <nishanth> Night_Rider ok
[23:26] <mkhanyisi> vlt, thanks
[23:27] <lyrae> anyone using gnome elementary?
[23:27] <pfifo> is it just me or is freenode seem to have a very high latency today?
[23:27] <vlt> !anyone | lyrae
[23:27] <BrainDance> Excellent! Thank you very much mnemon, well when I find another wireless pcmcia card somewhere in the basement I'll probably be back, because I know I wont be able to do it right the first time ;)
[23:27] <lyrae> How can i get nautilus to look like this: http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/124225-1.png
[23:27] <WarCthulhu> Does anyone here know how to get steam up and running on 10.04?
[23:28] <pixolin> greezmunkey, OK, placed a # at line 17, too
[23:28] <lyrae> i already have the theme installed
[23:28] <Night_Rider> nishanth : What OS are you using right now.
[23:28] <renodude18> How can i get my wireless card to work in ubuntu?
[23:28] <nishanth> Night_Rider lucid
[23:28] <lyrae> renodude18, is it broadcom/
[23:28] <greezmunkey> pixolin: while you are in there, you may as well change:GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" to:GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="ipv6.disable=1"
[23:29] <BrainDance> I have a broadcom card and the only way I could get it to work was to use restricted (?) drivers
[23:29] <renodude18> Lyrae: from what i'm told it is
[23:29] <BrainDance> at the whole "administration>hardware drivers" window
[23:29] <BrainDance> and in order to get that, had to use a wired connection
[23:29] <BrainDance> so maybe that renodude18?
[23:29] <greezmunkey> pixolin: that's it for now, run sudo update-grub, and restart to test
[23:29] <vilhelm> BrainDance: yeah same here
[23:30] <InvaderZim> Problem: Fresh install of Lucid doesn't go beyong login screen at KDM. screen blinks. Weird is, I installed xdm, and it works through xdm. Problem is, beside being ugly, there is no shutdown option, only end session. Any ideas?
[23:30] <zion_> can someone explain what diferent between sudo ap-get dist-upgrade and upgrade????
[23:30] <Kentrel> Everynow and again my Ubuntu starts accessing the disk and becomes unusable for several minutes, in this case 30 minutes. I ended up having to reboot several times to get it working again. What kind of logs can I check to figure out what that was
[23:30] <schnable> if I have two cron jobs scheduled for the same time, will they run in parallel or or one after another?
[23:30] <renodude18> unable to use a wired connection, any other ideas maybe?
[23:30] <Kentrel> Or can I run something in the background to monitor in case it happens again
[23:30] <vlt> schnable: parallel
[23:31] <schnable> vlt: thanks
[23:31] <pixolin> greezmunkey, OK, wish me luck ;-)
[23:31] <pixolin> will reboot now
[23:31] <okapi14> hi guys, i am keep having error with synaptic about a broken package. I remember there is a command to fix this anyone can help?
[23:31] <zion_> can someone explain what diferent between sudo ap-get dist-upgrade and upgrade????
[23:32] <renodude18> any ideas of getting a dell wireless 1370/broadcom to work without a wired connection?
[23:32] <Night_Rider> nishanth : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=792833
[23:32] <greezmunkey> pixolin: you'll be fine.
[23:32] <BrainDance> hmm, I'm sure theres another way to get the driver on another computer, and just burn a cd/thumbdrive, something along those lines, but I''m sure everyone here would know far more than I
[23:32] <zion_> renodude18, if u will manegde to do it let me know too
[23:33] <Docolero_> zion_, the man-page could help. try "man apt-get"
[23:33] <pourya> zion: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/apt-get-question-dist-upgrade-vs-upgrade-219920/
[23:33] <renodude18> I will, but its been three days an no luck so far
[23:33] <zion_> Docolero_, thanks
[23:33] <MPX> In windows, I can remember being able to check my battery status on my keyboard and mouse (wireless)
[23:33] <MPX> Is there such a tool for Ubuntu?
[23:33] <pixolin_> greezmunkey, OK, back ... and everything just perfect
[23:33] <MPX> Prefferably an applet for gnome panel?
[23:33] <pixolin_> thanks for your help
[23:33] <pixolin_> I
[23:34] <greezmunkey> pixolin_: now do some browsing with er, your browser see if you notice it acting "snappier" or not...
[23:34] <Kentrel> Okay, I figured out top is the command I want to use. How do I get the command "top -i -d 60 > ~/monitor.log to run on startup?
[23:34] <endra> hey
[23:34] <pixolin_> I should have found out myself with http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB_2/Konfiguration ...
[23:34] <aurilliance> How do I make a patch?
[23:35] <Andorin> pfifo: Thank you. (A little late, I know.) I didn't know you could just drag a partition in gparted.
[23:35] <aurilliance> ...or use one to fix something on my machine?
[23:35] <aurilliance> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-evtouch/+bug/546487
[23:35] <erUSUL> aurilliance: with diff
[23:35] <pixolin_> well, I disabled ip6 within firefox allready
[23:35] <endra> what happened to grub with this latest update? I can't find the config file in /boot and the menu doesn't even come up anymore - it just boots into ubuntu..
[23:35] <erUSUL> !grub2 | endra
[23:35] <vlt> MPX: Sounds like a tool written by your keyboard's vendor. Maybe it's available for linux. maybe
[23:35] <MPX> vlt : Well, I didn't install any driver
[23:35] <MPX> It has a USB reciever
[23:35] <MPX> Windows just showed it...
[23:36] <Night_Rider> MPX : I am not sure but give it a try : Install Ubuntu Tweak
[23:36] <MPX> Ubuntu tweak doesnt have anything
[23:36] <ryankrizan> Hey guys, what's the best way to resize my partitions on an already established system? I have Vista and Ubuntu installed. I want to give Ubuntu some more room.
[23:36] <greezmunkey> pixolin_: I did too, but actually noticed a differance after disabling it completely.
[23:36] <maco> MPX: still sounds like a specialised windows driver thing and that maybe windows happens to include those tweaks
[23:36] <renodude18> how do i get a dell wireless 1370/broadcom to work in ubuntu?
[23:36] <endra> ah I see.. so to update it, is it still update-grub or is it now update-grub2?
[23:37] <nishanth> Night_Rider i did install mozilla-vlc plugin long back and it did not work
[23:37] <vlt> MPX: Sometimes windows drivers are included in the USB devices and automagically installed when plugged in for the first time ...
[23:37] <pixolin_> greezmunkey, OK, I'll check ... thank you so far and good night.
[23:37] <greezmunkey> pixolin_: cya
[23:37] <godricbrutus> does anyone know what's going on here on my fresh install? http://www.imagebam.com/image/83424d81767292
[23:37] <SauLus> I tried removing the nvidia-common proprietary driver to boot using nouveaou. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is installed but the screen remained black. In my xorg.conf explicitly the nvidia driver is listed. How can I switch to nouveau?
[23:38] <vlt> !here | godricbrutus
[23:38] <sabat> that's pretty crazy godricbrutus
[23:38] <Night_Rider> nishanth : I guess are you up to date.
[23:38] <godricbrutus> vlt, i dunno what to say. the fonts look like that
[23:38] <sabat> I really don't know how to describe that in words..
[23:38] <godricbrutus> sabat, have you ever seen that?
[23:38] <nishanth> Night_Rider oh ya i am
[23:38] <godricbrutus> exactly
[23:38] <sabat> yes and no...
[23:39] <godricbrutus> thats why i couldnt say anything but 'here' vlt
[23:39] <renodude18> anyone?
[23:39] <SauLus> godricbrutus: seems like you are using japanese or so without having the fonts or locales for that language installled
[23:39] <sabat> seen that while opening files in notepad that were never meant to be opened in notepad :)
[23:39] <BrainDance> This is just a real stupid question, but I remember a couple releases ago, there was something sort of like the "ubuntu software center" that worked as sort of a more user friendly front for synaptic package manager, but from what I can see, ubuntu software center has replaced it, and I cant find it anymore. I actually dont care for the software center, and synaptic isn't that great for just browsing for new random stuff,, what
[23:39] <BrainDance>  was the program I'm thinking of called, and can I still get it?
[23:39] <Irunongames> I can play songs on my computer but I don;t know how to save the songs to the computer, anyone know how?
[23:39] <Slart> BrainDance: there was an Add/Remove thingy.. not sure if it's available for lucid though
[23:39] <godricbrutus> saulus, it's a fresh install. i don't know how i could be using japanese
[23:39] <Slart> Irunongames: how do you play these songs?
[23:39] <BrainDance> yeah Slart I think that's it
[23:39] <Night_Rider> nishanth : Question the Session...i am out.
[23:40] <aurilliance> How can I apply this patch??? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-evtouch/+bug/546487/comments/2
[23:40] <godricbrutus> anybody have any ideas?
[23:40] <BrainDance> I dont know why I cant get into software center, I guess I'll poke around synaptic for it
[23:40] <vlt> godricbrutus: All I see now is blonde, brunette, redhead ...
[23:40] <BrainDance> thanks a lot Slart
[23:40] <Axilus> Does anyone know if someone has made a script for automatically syncing Unison periodically?
[23:40] <Izinucs> '
[23:40] <Irunongames> Slart,  i just open up "music player"
[23:40] <Slart> BrainDance: you're welcome
[23:40] <Irunongames> It plays the songs, not save them though
[23:40] <vlt> Axilus: cron
[23:40] <godricbrutus> vlt, ?
[23:40] <corpse> Im having problems installing from a USB. the UNetbootin screen comes up and i can only use default or help (everything else just does nothing when clicked) When i hit default it will load the kernal and bring me to the language selection screen, but i think it just freezes there
[23:40] <BrainDance> also, is there sort of a general chat channel? Not tech support  but just talking about ubuntu/linux in general?
[23:41] <renodude18> anyone?
[23:41] <Slart> Irunongames: opening up music player doesn't play any songs.. you're opening songs from somehwere.. your hard drive? web radio?
[23:41] <vlt> godricbrutus: Sorry, this was a movie quote from Matrix.
[23:41] <Loshki> BrainDance: I find 'the perfect desktop' series (google it) very good for ideas about what's most useful to install...
[23:41] <sabat> vtl: /dev/mapper/dumptruck-dt  2.0T   444G   1.5T  24% already got a 1/4 filled :)
[23:41] <godricbrutus> i see
[23:41] <arand> BrainDance: #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:41] <Irunongames> iPod
[23:41] <sabat> vlt*
[23:41] <Irunongames> But I want the songs from my iPod to the computer
[23:41] <godricbrutus> i can't even try anything to fix it as i can't navigate around
[23:41] <BrainDance> excellent, thanks a lot arand
[23:41] <funkyHat> ryankrizan: firstly make sure you have adequate backups, then use gparted on an Ubuntu live CD
[23:41] <BrainDance> helpful crowd in here :)
[23:42] <sabat> godricbrutus I got an idea...
[23:42] <funkyHat> ryankrizan: it will take a long time most likely, perhaps several hours
[23:42] <colex> Hello, is there a Linux alternative for Microsoft One Note, besides Tomboy?
[23:42] <godricbrutus> sabat, ok
[23:42] <sabat> godricbrutus Do an integrity check on your cd, I bet you had a corrupted font file
[23:42] <vlt> pfifo_: No, why do you ask?
[23:42] <Slart> colex: I don't think so, no
[23:42] <Axilus> @vlt How would you set that up
[23:42] <aurilliance> How can I apply this patch??? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-evtouch/+bug/546487/comments/2
[23:42] <pfifo_> vlt, i guess that explains it, i asked that like 5 minutes ago
[23:42] <sabat> I bet you just need to reinstall
[23:42] <godricbrutus> sabat, i thought that too. i installed once from cd then re-downloaded and installed from usb
[23:42] <Slart> !patch | aurilliance
[23:43] <godricbrutus> sabat, then again to a dvd
[23:43] <vlt> Axilus: `crontab -e` to edit.
[23:43] <sabat> really? you'ev had this issue on multiple installs?
[23:43] <vlt> pfifo_: Nobody seems to get my jokes today :/
[23:43] <corpse> colex: onenote can be installed via wine or crossover
[23:44] <pfifo_> vlt, what? im on alot of purcaset, i think i missed something
[23:44] <roadie> @weather 89408
[23:45] <roadie> !weather 89408
[23:45] <Slart> !bot | roadie
[23:45] <Axilus> vlt: Thanks a bunch
[23:45] <colex> corpse: yeah but I've searched in appdb and they report it as "garbage", I only have 2003 version , 2007 is out of my possibilities at this moment :(
[23:45] <arand> aurilliance: apt-get source xserver-xorg-input-evtouch, cd into the directory, apply the patch using the patch command, rebuild the package, (debuild & pbuilder are convenient tools for that)
[23:45] <Axilus> vlt: this could also be useful for other tasks :D
[23:45] <vlt> Axilus: Erm, indeed.
[23:45] <Slart> roadie: I'm not sure what you expected ubottu to answer to that.. but I've never seen anyone use a weather command on it
[23:45] <corpse> colex: ahh ic, i have 2007 running just fine on my end
[23:46] <roadie> Slart: just trying to find a bot that will tell me the weather, know of any rooms with one?
[23:46] <pfifo_> !weather <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:47] <clrg> roadie: And how is the bot supposed to know where you are from?
[23:47] <godricbrutus> brb, gona try something
[23:47] <Slart> roadie: nope.. this is the ubuntu support channel.. we do ubuntu support
[23:47] <colex> corpse: may you reccommend any other app for note-taking? I really need one, however Tomboy is not what I'm lookin for.
[23:47] <roadie> Slart: gotcha, thanks for nothin lol
[23:47] <Slart> clrg: geo ip information seems like a reasonable idea
[23:47] <Conan> QUESTION:  When I choose "show controls" in Movie Player when a video is not showing the controls, it stretches the player 100% vertically while shrinking the video's horizontal width to the proper size.    I dont want the player to stretch out and leave large black bars above the video. How do I fix this? See this image ->  http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8161/screenshot7tu.png  This image should not have those black bars at
[23:47] <calibre> Is anyone here good with unrealircd?
[23:47] <iceroot> !anyone | calibre
[23:48] <clrg> Slart: Unreliable
[23:48] <Slart> clrg: when you're asking irc-bots for weather updates you're on pretty shaky ground already =)
[23:48] <bezdomni> colex: Tiddlywiki is cool. You could also use TeX in Emacs :P
[23:48] <calibre> I keep getting this error in unrealircd unrealircd.conf:798: loadmodule src/modules/m_cloakhost.so: failed to load: tmp/2BED425C.m_cloakhost.so: undefined symbol: hidehost can anyone help with this?
[23:49] <calibre> sorry to go off topic.
[23:49] <cyberpunk_> man that was nasty, taking a shower in such a shitty shower
[23:49] <colex> bezdomni: thanks bezdomni LaTex is so complicated, I'll try Tiddlywiki
[23:49] <ki__> uh oh .. upgraded to 10.4 and now i'm getting grub rescue prompt
[23:49] <ki__> i downloaded the rescue remix cd
[23:50] <ki__> the regular format command doesn't seem to be on it ... I don't know which drives are what so i can mount properly
[23:50] <nfotec> calibre - ngircd works
[23:50] <ki__> anyone familiar with this happening?
[23:50] <clrg> Slart: I guess you are from Sweden. Why don't you try http://www.weatherforecastmap.com/sweden/stockholm/
[23:50] <bezdomni> colex: It ain't so bad. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX  good luck :)
[23:50] <cyberpunk_> i did not expect a 45 dollar hotel to be so filthy =/
[23:50] <calibre> nfotec: i mean how do i fix that error.
[23:50] <ki__> I have dual boot windows ... on one disk, and two other disks software raid for linux
[23:50] <ki__> i need to rewrite my MBR
[23:50] <Slart> clrg: oh.. thanks.. but I've got a window =) it was roadie that was looking for weather information =)
[23:50] <|corpse|> Im having problems installing from a USB. the UNetbootin screen comes up and i can only use default or help (everything else just does nothing when clicked) When i hit default it will load the kernal and bring me to the language selection screen, but i think it just freezes there
[23:51] <ki__> but i'm not sure which disks to use to mount /boot and /root from the rescue disk
[23:51] <Requiem1> ups wrong channel
[23:51] <ki__> how can i figure that out? Normally I would use 'format'
[23:51] <Conan> QUESTION:  When I choose "show controls" in Movie Player when a video is not showing the controls, it stretches the player 100% vertically while shrinking the video's horizontal width to the proper size.    I dont want the player to stretch out and leave large black bars above the video. How do I fix this? See this image ->  http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8161/screenshot7tu.png  This image should not have those black bars at
[23:52] <nfotec> calibre - you got undef error in m_cloakhost.so  search google.  possibly missing dev package
[23:52] <calibre> nfotec: Search it for what specifically?
[23:52] <clrg> Slart: Well, that window won't help you much.  I doubt that is some kind of feature
[23:53] <Slart> clrg: well.. that's true.. I can stick my head out though =)
[23:53] <Slart> Conan: this one seems appropriate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/534083
[23:53] <funkyHat> Irunongames: in rhythmbox, click on the ipod, then select all songs with ctrl+a, then drag them across to the library
[23:54] <Diazz> Hi, is anyone using samba with Ubuntu 10.04?
[23:54] <vlt> Axilus: Make sure the cronjob runs as a user with an existing .unison directory or you'll have to resolve conflicts afterwards
[23:54] <arand> BrainDance: Found it -> gnome-app-install
[23:54] <clrg> Slart: And it looks like roadie is from the US. Weird <IP_ADDRESS>/16 range.. That country is too big in order to find a wheather forecast for his region.
[23:54] <vlt> !anyone | Diazz
[23:55] <Irunongames> funkyHat, does it happen all at once or slowly?
[23:55] <funkyHat> Irunongames: it takes a while, depends how many songs you have on the iPod
[23:55] <Irunongames> Ok thanks :D
[23:55]  * Irunongames huggles funkyHat
[23:55] <Slart> clrg: I'm guessing that number he added to the weather command is some kind of postal code.. I would assume ubottu would only recognize south african postal codes if any =)
[23:55] <funkyHat> Irunongames: hold on, you do want to actually copy the files off of your iPod, right?
[23:56] <Irunongames> yea
[23:56] <clrg> !vlc | Conan
[23:56] <funkyHat> Cool
[23:56] <Irunongames> Thanks for the help :)
[23:56] <Diazz> fair enough :) I used samba with ubuntu 9.10 which worked fine. After i did a clean install og 10.04 and installed samba again it didt. I can't get access from windows to shared files
[23:56] <clrg> Conan: Try that one instead of Movie Player
[23:57] <vlt> Diazz: With the very same conf file?
[23:57] <BrainDance> arand, could I just apt-get that?
[23:57] <Conan> clrg: thanks, but I know what VLC is and I asked about Movie Player (Totem).  I was asking a very specific question.  I didnt ask for a media player alternative to Totem.  Thanks anyway.
[23:57] <Conan> Please dont bot me again.
[23:57] <colex> bezdomni: it's web oriented, thanks but ... , wow, I really need something not web-oriented
[23:57] <BrainDance> just tried it, apparently not
[23:57] <Diazz> vlt dont know. I didn't have to edit any config when i used ubuntu 9.10
[23:57] <arand> BrainDance: I was able in karmic, not sure if it's still there in lucid, but try.
[23:57] <BrainDance> how do I get  gnome-app-install?
[23:58] <BrainDance> hmmmm
[23:58] <BrainDance> seems like there has to be a way to force it
[23:58] <bezdomni> colex: Ah, I wasn't sure about that.
[23:58] <vlt> Diazz: Compare the conf files. You can use `diff` for example
[23:59] <bezdomni> colex: look up xournal
[23:59] <arand> BrainDance: Also, it will pop up in the admin menu instead, so if you want you'll have to move it "sudo aptitude install gnome-app-install"
[23:59] <Diazz> vlt dont have the old conf :/
[23:59] <bezdomni> my abstract algebra professor used it as his lecture notes
[23:59] <bezdomni> on xubuntu, it worked pretty well for that class - I imagine it may be what you are looking for


[04:06] <Shreyas> hi
[13:00] <guruprasad> I reported a bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1954765, for the issue I mentioned above.
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 How can I get Wayland to login on Kubuntu 21.10 (with backports)? When I log out to SDDM or reboot to SDDM and change to a Wayland session, after typing password the screen goes black for a couple of seconds then goes back to SDDM. How to login? Thanks.
 Hello point I am a blind telegram user and a future member of this community point and pass the captcha because I have no vision point Help me please
[20:44] <tomreyn> hi Vbazhanov2001 - what do you need help with?
[20:44] <tomreyn> Vbazhanov2001: it's best to ask your questions right away here - but do feel welcome!
[20:46] <tomreyn> Note that this community is actually spun across multiple places and chat networks. While you're on Telegram, others like myself are on this old but awesome "IRC" protocol.
[20:51] <tomreyn> Supposedly, the "irssi" terminal based IRC client can be setup with accessibility features - but I have to admit I am pretty clueless about this. And if Telegram already works well for you, it's probably best to just keep that.
[20:52] <genii> tomreyn: I think to be highlighted ont he other side of the IRC bridge @name might be required
[20:52] <tomreyn> thanks, genii. let's try this:
[20:52] <tomreyn> @Vbazhanov2001: Please see what I wrote above.


[10:12] <seb128> waveform, hey, just as a  FYI I triaged https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1973285 and sounds like something we might want to fix one way or another?
[10:17] <waveform> seb128, argh -- I figured the removal of mmal on arm64 was going to bite me sooner or later -- I'll stick it on my list, thanks for the heads-up!
[10:35] <seb128> waveform, thanks!
[12:11] <ahasenack> morning
[12:11] <slyon> vorlon: hey! looking at the libgpg-error/i386 autopkgtest failure (code14). It looks like this fails due to "Restrictions: skip-not-installable" being removed, and replaced by explicitly instructing it to only run on i386 and amd64. So apparently it's supposed to PASS on i386, but never did in the past for Ubuntu (it was always skipped).
[12:11] <slyon> So we can either introduce a delta and revert that change, to skip on i386, or do some i386-whitelist magic, to make gcc-mingw-w64-x86-64:i386 available. What do you think?
[12:48] <seb128> rbasak, hey, could you check the update on bug #1973229 and tell us if you consider that as a reasonable SRU with the provded details?
[12:55] <rbasak> seb128: ack - I had a chat with jbicha about it late on Friday. It's on my list for today.
[12:55] <seb128> rbasak, thanks
[13:00] <ahasenack> vorlon: looks like isc-dhcp (upstream) will switch to carrying a bundled version of the old bind9 libraries: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=942502#25
[13:00] <ahasenack> wonder what security thinks of this
[13:04] <ahasenack> and it happened in debian already: https://tracker.debian.org/news/1323159/accepted-isc-dhcp-443-1-source-into-unstable/
[13:34] <xnox> ahasenack:  security is already aware that the unbundled old bind9 libraries are used; and we should notify security to add the old bind9 as vendored one, they have tooling to keep track of these things - such that bind9 cve's trigger alerts to rebuild/patch isc-dhcp as well.
[13:34] <xnox> we do that for a few things.....
[13:34] <xnox> i usually email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to notify of such things.
[13:35] <ahasenack> I just pinged them on #security, got an ack
[13:35] <ahasenack> but I could email too
[16:14] <vorlon> slyon: I don't understand what I'm seeing in this libgpg-error autopkgtest log; the test is defined in debian/tests/control to have Architecture: amd64, but the test is being attempted and then failing with badpkg.  Maybe we have wrong filtering on architecture for our i386 autopkgtest env, which runs in a cross-environment? (i386 packages installed on amd64 testbed)
[16:16] <vorlon> slyon: in which case it is perhaps worth fixing this in lp:~ubuntu-release/autopkgtest/+git/development; but if not, we should just ignore the i386 test failure
[16:29] <vorlon> slyon: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/autopkgtest/+git/development/+merge/423176
[16:29] <slyon> vorlon: oh, indeed! This test is defined for "Architecture: amd64" only. Thanks for the pointers, I'll have a look at lp:~ubuntu-release/autopkgtest/+git/development tomorrow
[16:30] <slyon> thank you! I'm EOD already, so will do the review tomorrow
[19:35] <kanashiro> vorlon, could you please take a look at my patch here LP #1940077 ? I tried to implement what you proposed
[21:49] <vorlon> kanashiro: looks ok to me!
[22:20] <quidnunc> I'm trying to update the following package from upstream sources which are in Fossil (I don't have any packaging experience) https://salsa.debian.org/debian-gis-team/spatialite/-/tree/master/debian
[22:20] <quidnunc> Is there some function that just pulls the latest sources or a specific commit or tag?
[22:21] <quidnunc> Is that what gbp pull does?
[22:38] <rbasak> gbp can help with that for git if that's the workflow the packager uses already.


[10:34] <fluter> hi
[10:34] <fluter> is there a tool to log and track all the events emited and handled by upstart and jobs?
[13:13] <xnox> upstart-monitor
[17:44] <gansbrest> hello. In my upstart scripts I often do the following /usr/local/bin/node /release/thanks-jetpack/current/bin/txjp >> /media/ephemeral0/logs/txjp_web 2>&1
[17:45] <gansbrest> but now I'm trying to attach logrotate to that log file and trying to figure out how to cause upstart to reopen the file after rotation
[19:35] <xnox> gansbrest: recent enough upstart, collects all stdout & stderr, and does log rotation
[19:35] <xnox> into /var/log/upstart/$job.log
[19:36] <xnox> gansbrest: so don't do that at all =)
[19:36] <xnox> gansbrest: otherwise, you should use logger
[19:36] <xnox> e.g. see $ man logger. I believe that correctly reopens files etc.
[20:17] <gansbrest> xnox: you mean just keep  /usr/local/bin/node /release/thanks-jetpack/current/bin/txjp and upstart will do the rest?
[20:17] <gansbrest> will it create 2 files, .out and .err?
[20:25] <xnox> gansbrest: no single .log with both stdout & stderr.
[20:25] <xnox> in /var/log/upstart/
[20:25] <xnox> gansbrest: do you have /var/log/upstart/ on your system?
[20:25] <xnox> or what's the output of $ sudo initctl version
[20:26] <gansbrest> I think I'm out of luck here
[20:26] <gansbrest> init (upstart 0.6.5)
[20:26] <gansbrest> very old version
[20:26] <gansbrest> it's interesting that upstart is installed to amazon AMI seem like which is REHL and CentOS
[20:27] <gansbrest> I mean it's installed for us, someone installed it )
[20:30] <gansbrest> I think logger may be an answer as you say
[20:31] <gansbrest> or writing log directly from the app, and handle HUP signal cause by upstart reload


[05:38] <Kilos> morning all
[05:49] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[05:50] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[06:07] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:07] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[06:07] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos... hello
[06:08] <Kilos> hows neelsie?
[06:08] <Kilos> we cold again
[06:08] <nlsthzn> I know where your heat went
[06:08] <Kilos> where?
[06:09] <nlsthzn> it is lurking outside my house, trying to get in
[06:09] <Kilos> lolol
[06:27] <andrewlsd> Hi all.
[06:27] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[06:27] <andrewlsd> Kilos, I'm connecting via KolibriOS. 32MB ram, drive is 1.44MB disk image
[06:27] <andrewlsd> with gui.
[06:27] <Kilos> wow
[06:35] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:36] <Kilos> hi mazal
[06:46] <Kilos> sjoe andrewlsd  written in machine code
[07:04] <andrewlsd> Hi Mazal
[07:04] <andrewlsd> Hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:05]  * andrewlsd shuts down tiny KolibriOS vm now
[07:06]  * andrewlsd is back via Hexchat
[07:07] <Kilos> interesting that KolibriOS
[07:08] <andrewlsd> indeed, not often that you find something that can run happily/snappily on a P1
[07:09] <Kilos> should be lekker on a P3 or early P4
[07:09] <Kilos> ram is always the killer
[07:09] <andrewlsd> it's bonkers quick. almost instant. and the same goes for launching applications.
[07:10] <Kilos> i will have to try that sometime
[07:10] <andrewlsd> of course, there are not many applications that are written in assembly.
[07:11] <andrewlsd> there is a minecraft clone: MineAssembly
[07:11] <andrewlsd> over at https://github.com/Overv/MineAssemble
[07:12] <mazal> Hi guys
[07:12] <mazal> Hallo inetpro
[07:12] <Kilos> do you know about minetest andrewlsd
[07:12] <mazal> This day started with a lot of speed
[07:12] <inetpro> good evening
[07:13] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[07:13] <inetpro> oops... it's Monday?
[07:13] <Kilos> lol
[07:13] <andrewlsd> Kilos: yip, I have heard of it, but haven't ever gotten into minecraft (I don't understand the hype)
[07:13] <andrewlsd> ^ that's true for most games. I'm not much of a gamer.
[07:13] <Kilos> minetest is free
[07:14] <Kilos> and graeme ran/runs a server for us but it eats data
[07:14] <Kilos> we spent months building things
[07:15] <andrewlsd> Kilos: why?
[07:15] <andrewlsd> ... not being nasty, but I find that I am unable to spend days on anything.
[07:15] <andrewlsd> instant**
[07:16] <andrewlsd> which is why I probably never get _into_ gaming
[07:16] <andrewlsd> ... unless I have godmode cheats so that I can survive more than 2 minutes.
[07:16] <Kilos> andrewlsd  i dunno why it eats data, i spose being online
[07:17] <andrewlsd> I prefer to get to the end, and work my way back to the beginning.
[07:17] <Kilos> wb ThatGraemeGuy
[07:17] <mazal> I like it , nice hobby to have. Just getting very expensive these days :(
[07:17] <mazal> Gaming as a whole now I mean
[07:17] <Kilos> we have all the enemies turned off so we could build in peace
[07:18] <Kilos> we built mooi goed
[07:18] <Kilos> even pro and fly and their families played
[07:20] <andrewlsd> mazal: I also think it's a cool hobby. I just don't have the patience and/or hand-eye co-ordination for it.
[07:20] <mazal> Kilos: superfly and hsi son Zak is on our new server , they buikding a stunning treehouse
[07:20] <andrewlsd> mazal: and the budget.
[07:20] <andrewlsd> ... I did try steam, now that I have this AlienWare laptop
[07:20] <Kilos> haha
[07:21] <mazal> his* building*
[07:21] <andrewlsd> Maaz: Kilos: does everyone build in the same place? or is each user's world separate?
[07:21] <Maaz> andrewlsd: If you say so
[07:21] <mazal> And someday I will learn to type and speel , I promise
[07:21] <mazal> spell* lol
[07:21] <andrewlsd> lol
[07:21] <Kilos> its a world, so you buiild where you like
[07:22]  * andrewlsd thinks "buikding" is a cool world
[07:22] <andrewlsd> word.
[07:22] <mazal> andrewlsd: We all build in the same world , that's what makes it fun. You build a world together and visit each other's places
[07:22] <Kilos> but closer to others means not so far to go to get power
[07:22] <Kilos> was great fun
[07:23] <mazal> Still is
[07:23] <andrewlsd> how do I try it out?
[07:23] <mazal> What OS you on andrewlsd ?
[07:23] <andrewlsd> Mint. am adding PPA now
[07:24] <mazal> Does ubuntu ppa's wotk on mint ?
[07:24] <mazal> work*
[07:25] <andrewlsd> yip
[07:25] <mazal> The use this one: https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds
[07:25] <andrewlsd> mint is basically ubuntu,
[07:25] <andrewlsd> mazal: any reason you don't use the stable ppa?
[07:25] <mazal> Way too far behind
[07:25] <mazal> Most of us use the daily
[07:26] <mazal> Then when you open up the minetest app. Choose client tab ( if you want to join on our world) Single player if you want to play alone
[07:27] <mazal> Server adress is mt.thatgraemeguy.co.za port:30000
[07:27] <andrewlsd> installing minetest now.
[07:29]  * andrewlsd tries to connect to mt.thatgraemeguy.co.za
[07:30] <andrewlsd> ThatGraemeGuy: may I connect?
[07:30] <Kilos> mazal  not mt.donaldson
[07:31] <Kilos> i have played for so long ive forgotten
[07:31] <Kilos> havent
[07:39] <Kilos> hi MaNL
[07:40] <MaNL> morning
[07:46] <mazal> Kilos: Nope , that is our new server Graeme is hosting. Cryterion and Graeme is the admins
[07:47] <mazal> It's a completely new world we are building up
[07:47] <Kilos> aha
[07:48] <Kilos> mazal  you have the old link there ? let andrewlsd  go see that one
[07:48] <Kilos> mt.donaldson.net wasnt it
[07:49] <mazal> Old link is in #minetest-za topic I think
[07:49] <Kilos> oh ya
[07:50] <Kilos> no thats changed to the new one
[07:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:50] <mazal> New one is better oom
[07:50] <mazal> So many new things were added
[07:51] <mazal> Hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:51] <Kilos> ya but the work we did isnt there is it?
[07:51] <Kilos> i just wanted andrewlsd  to have a look
[07:52] <mazal> New looks good already ;)
[07:52] <Kilos> like the ship at the dam and the pyramid etc
[07:52] <mazal> We been working hard
[07:52] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy should remember the old addy
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: nobody played there in months
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> that server is not running at the moment
[07:52] <Kilos> yes ThatGraemeGuy  i just wanted andrewlsd  to see
[07:52] <Kilos> ok
[07:52] <mazal> And the new one will give better idea of all the stuff available these days to craft
[07:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> i might start it up sometime, if you want to give a tour
[07:53] <Kilos> oh is it just the need to start up
[07:54] <Kilos> ill shout when i got data and take andrewlsd  around
[07:54] <Kilos> ty
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> and mod the config, as the new one runs on the same port
[07:54] <Kilos> ah
[07:54] <mazal> I have to go work
[07:54] <andrewlsd> ThatGraemeGuy: just checking if I may connect to it? ie, is it "public" or private.
[07:54] <mazal> l8tr guys
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> its public
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=12166
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> about 2 weeks old at this stage
[07:55] <andrewlsd> thanks ThatGraemeGuy
[07:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> np
[09:04] <andrewlsd> totally confuzzled. Gaming is _not_ for me ;-)
[09:04] <andrewlsd> but thank you to ThatGraemeGuy for the assistance.
[09:04] <Kilos> lol
[09:05] <andrewlsd> I think I need to trail Kilos for a couple of hours to watch how it is done.
[09:05] <andrewlsd> now I understand why there are youtube channels and other similar online services that let you watch gamers.
[09:06] <Kilos> it is hard work, you gotta cut trees and dig stone before you build stuff, it is like being in the veldt with nothing and trying to survive
[09:07] <Kilos> but once you have the basics it is kinda fun, we were hooked for months
[09:07] <andrewlsd> I get the logic of it, but don't know "how" to cut trees, etc. I can see the toolbox but don't know how to use the stuff
[09:07] <andrewlsd> ... which is why I'd need to tag along behind someone to learn.
[09:08] <Kilos> yeah easier to play with someone
[09:08] <mciverza> co-pilot type of ting
[09:08] <mciverza> thing
[09:08] <Kilos> are you up late at night, i still have night surfer data
[09:08] <andrewlsd> um. I can be.
[09:10]  * andrewlsd listening to Spiderbait - Black Betty. Getting pumped up
[09:10] <Kilos> if we have a night thats not too cold we can stay up, but bed is so inviting in winter
[09:10] <andrewlsd> via poor mans spotify
[09:11] <andrewlsd> Kilos: i'll sit in bed.
[09:11] <Kilos> lol
[09:11] <Kilos> thats not fair
[09:11]  * Kilos needs a lappy for winters
[09:11]  * andrewlsd needs to try to find a way to get Kilos a laptop
[09:12]  * andrewlsd has a netbook that Kilos could use. only 8", 1024x600
[09:12] <andrewlsd> can you play minetest on a tablet?
[09:12] <andrewlsd> ooh, yes.
[09:12] <Kilos> i have no idea
[09:12] <Kilos> that andriod stuff is beyond me
[09:12] <Kilos> android
[09:13] <andrewlsd> ... was just thinking that a tablet is easier to use in bed.
[09:13] <andrewlsd> ... (but I don't have one) :P
[09:13] <Kilos> they tiny horrible things
[09:13] <andrewlsd> going to go join #minetest-za again
[09:14] <andrewlsd> Kilos: 8" tablet has much bigger/better screen & GPU than my little 8" Aspire1
[09:15] <Kilos> ya and android with finger work
[09:15] <Kilos> and no keyboard unless you open it on screen
[09:15] <Kilos> they horrible
[09:15] <Kilos> my sis has one
[09:15] <andrewlsd> do you use keyboard much for minecraft?
[09:16] <Kilos> you can chat tro each other there in the game
[09:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> minetest not minecraft
[09:20] <Kilos> ya andrewlsd  forget minecraft
[09:20] <andrewlsd> oh, sorry
[09:20] <Kilos> lol
[09:20] <andrewlsd> yes. mis-type
[09:20] <andrewlsd> or , rather
[09:20] <andrewlsd> mis-thought
[09:20] <andrewlsd> have never used *craft* either..... Which craft?
[09:20] <andrewlsd> hehe. see what I did there?
[09:21] <Kilos> lol
[09:21] <andrewlsd> so, so is this test yours or mine?
[09:22] <andrewlsd> so whilst I'm seeing all manner of IRC client info....
[09:22] <andrewlsd> I'm using hexchat, and have played with kiwiIRC
[09:22] <andrewlsd> ... I see some Quassel clients.
[09:23] <andrewlsd> I use Cinnamon / aka gnome/gtk. Is there a nice client-server type architecture I can use to be connected? or should I just install an IRC bouncer on my VPS?
[09:23] <Kilos> most use quassel
[09:26] <andrewlsd> Hey elacheche just noticed you're here too. :-D
[09:27] <andrewlsd> Kilos: quite a crowd here today.
[09:27] <Kilos> nono we been in the low 40's
[09:27] <Kilos> 49 one meeting nigh
[09:27] <Kilos> t
[09:32] <elacheche> Hey andrewlsd :) :) :D
[09:33] <andrewlsd> elacheche: :-D
[09:34] <elacheche> :)
[09:34] <Kilos> andrewlsd  you know elacheche  is in tunisia?
[09:35] <Kilos> maybe you were gone too long, i dont remember what you missed
[09:37] <Kilos>  /j #ubuntu-africa and see the links in the topic
[09:40] <andrewlsd> Kilos: yip I know elacheche is in Tunisia (and thus expected him in #ubuntu-africa.
[09:40] <andrewlsd> )
[09:40] <Kilos> haha
[09:41] <elacheche> :D
[09:42] <andrewlsd> OT: I don't trust docker images.
[09:43] <elacheche> Why is that?
[09:44] <andrewlsd> ... is it just me or am I paranoid about importing other peoples binary stuff.
[09:44] <mazal> andrewlsd: Are you mciverza ?
[09:44] <andrewlsd> mazal: yes
[09:44] <Kilos> lol
[09:44] <mazal> k
[09:44] <elacheche> andrewlsd, it's not a binary :)
[09:44] <andrewlsd> we share the same body Maaz
[09:44] <andrewlsd> mazal: we share the same body
[09:45]  * mazal haven't had time to pop in there yet today :P
[09:45] <elacheche> andrewlsd, They are created based on docker files.. Ubuntu as an example → https://github.com/tianon/docker-brew-ubuntu-core/blob/43f0305b40bfe5f02cc007027be875256ab2b563/trusty/Dockerfile
[09:46] <andrewlsd> elacheche: yip, it's just that it is possible to slip stuff in if people don't pay attention to the docker file.
[09:46] <andrewlsd> you can 'curl' stuff in from other places in the dockerfile (build instructions)
[09:47] <andrewlsd> and yet it is so easy to do "docker pull some/random-cool-app"
[09:47] <elacheche> andrewlsd, if you hit docker search (something) you'll find informations about NAME, DESCRIPTION, STARS, OFFICIAL, AUTOMATED(using dockerfiles)
[09:47] <andrewlsd> without first checking what the docker file will do.
[09:47] <andrewlsd> yeah. I try to use "official" builds
[09:47] <elacheche> For my self I use the Ubuntu official build, then I install whatever I want by myself..
[09:48] <andrewlsd> I just always feel a little uneasy until I've gone and actually checked the dockerfile itself.
[09:48] <andrewlsd> this came up because I was looking for a Quassel docker image.
[09:48] <andrewlsd> (and there are many)
[09:48] <andrewlsd> at the moment, I prefer normal 'LXC' containers.
[09:48] <elacheche> I tried to create my own ubuntu container from scratch, I find that it's not a good idea, as docker maintain their images and I don't :D
[09:49] <andrewlsd> "lxc-create -t download -n debian"
[09:49] <elacheche> I see
[09:49] <andrewlsd> that's the kind of thing I do, so it tries to fetch the latest trusted platform
[09:50] <andrewlsd> and persistent storage is the default in LXC containers. vs non-persistent storage as the default in docker app containers.
[09:51] <andrewlsd> so for me it's "horses for courses" some things application containers are awesome for, and for other things, I prefer fuller containers.
[09:51]  * elacheche thinks that you're lucky because you used LXC before the creation of docker..
[09:51] <andrewlsd> I'm an ops guy, not a dev guy. So that probably plays a role
[09:51] <elacheche> o/ Ops here too :D
[09:51] <andrewlsd> I used it only a tiny bit before docker. I normally just use virsh.
[09:51] <andrewlsd> virsh + kvm
[09:52] <andrewlsd> so at the moment I have a small VM running in KVM, which runs LXC.
[09:52] <andrewlsd> one of the containers it runs is a dnsmasq container to offer DHCP to the rest of my VMs or containers on a bridged interface.
[09:52] <andrewlsd> because I don't like to automatically start things.
[09:52] <andrewlsd> I like to be in control
[09:53] <elacheche> I find problems understanding the logics behind lxc & docker because I always compare them to kvm :/ And I lost 1 year of docker because I couldn't use it before findingout how to create my own image from scratch x)
[09:53] <andrewlsd> so I killall dnsmasq instances, and then manually launch one to offer DNS and DHCP (with automatic DNS entries) for my VMs.
[09:54] <andrewlsd> elacheche: OpenShift 3 is a PaaS based on IIRC docker.
[09:55] <elacheche> Yep.. Then they created they're own docker like thing.. And have no idea if they already migrated to it or not
[09:56] <elacheche> Ah! No.. It's not a docker like, it's a project to manager docker → http://www.projectatomic.io/
[10:00] <andrewlsd> yeah.
[10:00] <andrewlsd> and Kubernetes, and Compose and a bunch of other tools
[10:00] <andrewlsd> it's hard to keep track of where things are going at the moment.
[10:01] <elacheche> yep
[10:02] <elacheche> https://twitter.com/andrewlsd you removed it xà
[10:02] <elacheche> x)
[10:03] <andrewlsd> renamed.
[10:03] <andrewlsd> lsdmacza
[10:03] <andrewlsd> any of you checking out keybase.io?
[10:03] <andrewlsd> brb
[10:04] <lsdmacza> I is back, renamed to twitter handle
[10:04] <elacheche> keybase seems to be cool.. Thanks for sharing
[10:14] <lsdmacza> elacheche: I have invites.
[10:15] <lsdmacza> you can DM me if you want. Basically keybase.io is GPG, just trying to make it easier to find public keys in order to send encrypted messages to people
[10:16] <elacheche> I see.. I'll take a look at it closer later.. If I need an invite I know where to find you :D
[10:16] <elacheche> Thanks lsdmacza :)
[10:17] <Kilos> lol
[10:17] <lsdmacza> invite offer applies to anyone else here too
[10:20] <Kilos> lsdmacza  is that the twet place
[10:20] <Kilos> tweet
[10:37] <lsdmacza> yes
[10:38]  * lsdmacza away for about half hour
[10:45] <elacheche> lsdmacza, as an Ops, what books do you recommend?
[10:50] <elacheche> Am I still here?? :D
[10:51] <Kilos> ya
[10:51] <elacheche> OK.. x) :D
[10:51] <Kilos> lol
[10:55] <Mopkop> Hello...
[10:55] <Mopkop> Sorry for disappearing like that, had church-stuff to do the last few days.
[10:56] <Kilos> hi Mopkop
[10:56] <Kilos> soek jy al werk? of nog op skool seun?
[10:58] <elacheche> What language is that Kilos o_O
[10:58] <Kilos> afrikaans elacheche
[10:58] <Kilos> are you looking for work or still at school
[11:00] <Mopkop> Kilos: Het nog 2½ jaar se studies oor :)
[11:00] <elacheche> Ah I see :D
[11:01] <Kilos> sjoe nog so lank
[11:01] <Mopkop> 6 Years of study in total - and that's the minimum
[11:01] <Mopkop> Dominee studies 12 years.
[11:01] <Mopkop> *studied
[11:02] <Kilos> wow
[11:02] <Kilos> i gotta go eat guys
[11:03] <Mopkop> Lekker eet!
[11:18] <stickyboy> Anyone like ligatures?
[11:19] <stickyboy> http://typedetail.com/eb-garamond.html
[11:19] <stickyboy> Yessss...
[11:20] <Mopkop> Is that something like this: æ?
[11:21] <Mopkop> The compose key makes this very easy.
[11:23] <stickyboy> Mopkop: I just think they're beautiful.
[11:24] <Mopkop> Beautiful writing has been lost in the digital age.
[11:24] <stickyboy> Yeah, they're the things that connect two letters in old-style serifs.
[11:39] <mciverza> MopKop: are you doing an MA?
[11:40] <mciverza> (I only had to do 4 years for my studies)
[11:40] <Mopkop> mciverza: Sort of. I'm doing a MTh. MA is an academic degree, MTh is professional.
[11:40] <mciverza> Yes, like BA vs BTh.
[11:41] <Mopkop> Yes, I'm also doing 4 years for my normal BTh degree, but you can't become a minister in my Church with only BTh :(
[11:41] <mciverza> I did a BA, coz BTh was being deprecated at the time at Stellenbosch et all.
[11:41] <mciverza> lol.
[11:41] <Mopkop> mciverza: Oh, you studied theology?
[11:41] <mciverza> I'd be more concerned with "has experienced real life"
[11:42] <mciverza> BUT ... am not knocking studies.
[11:42] <mciverza> Mopkop: yes.
[11:42] <mciverza> at one stage, most of the charismatic churches ministers had zero formal theological training.
[11:43] <mciverza> again, not knocking either the churches or the training, just noticing how things change.
[11:44] <Mopkop> Yes, I have noticed the Charismatic churches are more and more focussing on studies. I'm studying at Unisa and most of my fellow students are Charismatic.
[11:45] <mciverza> It's good to have a mixture of backgrounds when studying. helps to broaden the horizons, and allows possibility of creating good relationships with people outside your normal theological circle.
[11:45] <mciverza> ... </imho>
[11:46] <mciverza> OT: am loving being able to see what my kids are watching on TV via my mobile phone.
[11:46] <Kilos> hehe
[11:46] <mciverza> ... using Kodi/XMBC, and the remote is two-way, so I can control the TV and see what is on.
[11:48] <Mopkop> Exactly my sentiment! In the past 3½ years I have come into contact with so many different views and value systems. Broad horizons help us not to think in terms of black and white.
[11:50] <mciverza> and it's much harder to disregard someone's view if you have actually gotten to know them and realize that they are reasonable, reliable people.
[12:37] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless
[12:44] <andrewlsd> cheerio
[14:00]  * nlsthzn watching the solar impulse 2 making a stop in japan due to bad weather - https://youtu.be/GHa05MxP1YA
[15:15] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:15] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[15:15] <georgelappies> hi all
[15:15] <Kilos> hi georgelappies
[15:16] <Kilos> i just woke up, had a nap
[15:16] <Kilos> nlsthzn  you still here lad?
[15:44]  * nlsthzn might be
[15:45] <nlsthzn> on roving baby duty 24/7 *yawn*
[15:45] <Kilos> that good man, its hard work but worth it
[15:48] <nlsthzn> our government making travelling with kids such a pita... so much paperwork to go in and out of SA now... I have to go all the way to the embassy tomorrow just to try and figure out all I need :(
[15:48] <Kilos> ouch
[15:49] <Kilos> you want to come here in winter, you gonna freeze
[15:49] <nlsthzn> nope daughter wants to visit mom and rest of family / friends there
[15:49] <Kilos> ah
[16:18] <Squirm> Hi
[16:19] <Squirm> Maaz: ping
[16:19] <Maaz> Squirm: pong
[16:19] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:32] <georgelappies> damn, was at the lion park on Saturday for the feeding session. On the news now a women was killed by one there. She drove with her windows open.
[17:35] <Kilos> ai!
[17:57] <stickyboy> georgelappies: ai!
[18:00] <Kilos> inetpro  is your internet also slow?
[18:00] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[18:02] <stickyboy> ohaio
[18:02] <stickyboy> Means "good morning" in Japanese.
[18:02] <Kilos> hi stickyboy
[18:02]  * stickyboy just watched a Studio Ghibli film.
[18:02] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <stickyboy> I've watched 8 in the last week hehehe.
[18:03] <stickyboy> Still have 7 more or so to go.
[18:03] <Kilos> whew
[18:05] <stickyboy> Kilos: Do you know anything about Somali?
[18:05] <stickyboy> s/Somali/Somalia/
[18:05] <Kilos> yes man , its a country in africa
[18:06] <Kilos> i think someone from there chatted to me the other day
[18:06] <stickyboy> Kilos: Wow, really?
[18:06] <Kilos> rofl
[18:06] <stickyboy> We gotta penetrate the Horn of Africa.
[18:06] <stickyboy> Somalia!
[18:07] <Kilos> when you guys say we , it means me
[18:07] <Kilos> you failed with tsega
[18:07] <Kilos> shame on you
[18:08] <Kilos> and he is a friend, i have to deal with strangers
[18:08] <stickyboy> Kilos: To be fair, you don't have a job. :P
[18:09] <Kilos> yeah thats why i dont fight with you guys
[18:09] <stickyboy> The LUG is your job and what do you have to show  for it? :P
[18:09] <Kilos> but also i dont watch movies all day
[18:09] <stickyboy> hahahhaah
[18:09] <stickyboy> I'm trying to get inspired, man!
[18:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:09] <stickyboy> Now I'm listening to rap and pushing all teh code to GitHub, bru.
[18:10] <Kilos> lol
[18:17] <stickyboy> Might be eating some home-made cookies too.
[18:20] <Kilos> lol
[18:23] <stickyboy> Kilos: Do you have a farm?
[18:24] <Kilos> nope , i live on my sisters small holding
[18:28] <stickyboy> Kilos: Small holding means a farm without a tractor or what?
[18:29] <Kilos> small
[18:29] <Kilos> 2 hectares i think
[18:31] <stickyboy> In Kenya people kinda get mixed up between Afrikaans and Africans.
[18:31] <stickyboy> I just laugh inside. :D
[18:31] <Kilos> lol
[18:32] <Kilos> yeah we have our own language
[18:34] <stickyboy> Though it's admitadely confusing. :P
[18:35] <Kilos> yes it is
[18:41] <stickyboy> Kilos: Have you heard of Shamir's Secret Sharing?
[18:42] <Kilos> nopestick
[18:42] <Kilos> ai!
[18:42] <Kilos> nope stickyboy
[18:42] <stickyboy> It's a way to share a secret with a quorum...
[18:42] <stickyboy> Like 5 people, with 3 needed to open it.
[18:43] <Kilos> i dont have secrets
[18:55] <stickyboy> Kilos: :P
[18:55] <Kilos> lol
[18:56] <stickyboy> Raining cats and dogs here.
[18:56] <Kilos> great
[18:57] <Kilos> then meat price drops
[19:01] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:06] <smile> slaapwel :p