[07:55] <chinabright> i said/msg durt i htought
[07:55] <regeya> lol
[07:56] <regeya> china white, china bright
[07:56] <ubucl> anyone about the OLDD pc :D
[07:56] <chinabright> gosh you guys are forgiving
[07:56] <chinabright> thanks
[07:56] <bimberi> chinabright: pastes and /msg don't work (as i know you now realise :) )
[07:57] <bimberi> i think the first line gets /msg-d and the rest...
[07:57] <flodine> anyone running breezy on a backup computer?
[07:58] <punkass> i just install openoffice2 on a amd64 system via synaptic
[07:58] <punkass> but none of the apps run?
[07:58] <punkass> this is on breezy
[07:58] <algebra> hi
[07:58] <bimberi> ubucl: you can install ubuntu on that, but a "fat" GUI environment such as gnome and kde would be infeasible
[07:58] <punkass> i just get this error
[07:58] <punkass> /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/javaldx: error while loading shared libraries: libxml2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:58] <Madpilot> chinabright: if there had been an op active on this channel, they may well have booted you for that giant paste - just so you know
[07:58] <bimberi> ubucl: you could do a server install then then install a "lighter" gui environment such as fluxbox
[07:58] <flodine> punkass you on breezy
[07:59] <punkass> yes
[07:59] <flodine> punkass going good
[07:59] <ubucl> thanks!
[07:59] <punkass> yeah its fine..no problems..except for the openoffice2 thing
[07:59] <bimberi> ubucl: yw :)
[07:59] <algebra> im having problems with ubuntu in my other pc, the system totally freezes after using it a while, mostly what i do, is just ircing with irssi, last time it crashed when i joined to some channel, any idea what could cause this?
[07:59] <ubucl> do u know where i can find info about installing other guis?
[07:59] <flodine> punkass cool
[08:00] <punkass> oh and networking doesnt come up at login..have to do a /etc/init.d/networking restart
[08:00] <flodine> punkass why
[08:00] <bimberi> ubucl: not precisely - but the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com and the forums http://ubuntuforums.org are good sources
[08:00] <ubucl> thanks bimberi
[08:01] <bimberi> ubucl: yvw :)
[08:01] <punkass> flodine: dont know...broken package maybe
[08:01] <flodine> punkass was there a update today for breezy
[08:01] <Archie> need help. got a pci tv capture card and a usb webcam. the capture card is for my camcorder. two questions ... how do i set kino up so it looks on the capture card and i can start editing my movies? gnomemeeting also defaults to the tv capture, how do i change it to the pc webcam?
[08:01] <punkass> there is updates everyday
[08:01] <punkass> sometimes more than once aday
[08:02] <flodine> punkass is there a starter guide for it?
[08:02] <punkass> so any ideas why javaldx cant find libxml2.so.2
[08:02] <punkass>   but its there.../usr/lib/libxml2.so.2
[08:02] <punkass> flodine...i dont think so..cuz things are still changing on it
[08:03] <flodine> punkass is breezy on your main box or backup
[08:04] <punkass> flodine..just a test box
[08:04] <flodine> cool
[08:04] <algebra> any ideas why ubuntu freezes?
[08:04] <benplaut> bugs?
[08:04] <Archie> got it on the fridge
[08:05] <algebra> im using it just the way i used it before, and i didn't have any problems then
[08:05] <benplaut> flodine: i use it on my main system... works just fine
[08:09] <flodine> benplant did you just update your hoary hedgehog to breezy
[08:09] <flodine> benplaunt or fresh
[08:10] <mae> would you guys say the milestone release of breezy is fairly usable
[08:11] <Burgundavia> mae, yes
[08:11] <mae> Burgundavia, i was just looking at the 2.12 gnome feature list and it looks pretty neat :)
[08:11] <dennis_> guys
[08:11] <dennis_> is there a builtin ftp program in ubuntu?
[08:11] <Burgundavia> dennis_, nautilus
[08:11] <HrdwrBoB> dennis_: yes
[08:11] <dennis_> k
[08:11] <Burgundavia> dennis_, places --> connect to server
[08:12] <flodine> is it better to upgrade to breezy or fresh install?
[08:13] <Burgundavia> flodine, either. If you have a laptop and want to join the ubuntu laptop testing team, we need fresh installs
[08:14] <dennis_> Burgundavia, how do you save a ftp connection to the desktop?
[08:14] <dennis_> Like a shortcut?
[08:14] <Burgundavia> dennis_, just connect to it, it will be there automatically
[08:15] <DekaPink> Why can't it be easy and let me 'make' it. :3
[08:16] <Burgundavia> DekaPink, most non-free apps don't use automake because there is no need for transportability
[08:16] <DekaPink> But... it IS free now? :3
[08:16] <DekaPink> xD
[08:17] <punkass> anyone have openoffice2 running on an amd64 box?
[08:17] <punkass> on breezy it keeps saying it cant find libxml2.so.2 but its right in /usr/lib where it should be
[08:19] <fdorrington> hiya, can anyone assist me with gnome keyring?
[08:19] <punkass> ive got this nice new acer 4101 laptop..and linux in general fails on it...makes me sad
[08:19] <fdorrington> I want to disable it but haven't been able to figure out how to
[08:19] <glick> hey does anyone here use gtkwave?
[08:20] <bob2> "fails on it"?
[08:21] <dennis_> Guys
[08:21] <dennis_> I can't figure out how to store a shortcut to connect to a server on my desktop :/
[08:21] <punkass> bob2..sorry very generalized statement
[08:21] <bob2> connect to a server?
[08:21] <dennis_> Yes
[08:21] <bob2> do you mean "access a SMB share"?
[08:22] <dennis_> I have an ftp server
[08:22] <bob2> so, you do need to mention that
[08:22] <cafuego> dennis_: places -> Connect to server...
[08:22] <dennis_> How do you save it on your desktop though?
[08:22] <dennis_> Like always have it there
[08:22] <topyli> i'd like to know too. i don't want to have the icon always there, but i'd like to "remember" it
[08:22] <cafuego> dennis_: Once you go through the dialog, it will.
[08:22] <dennis_> It didn't :/
[08:22] <Madpilot> dennis_: it should add an icon to your desktop automaticaly
[08:22] <punkass> bob2..none of the acpi stuff works...can not get monitor res correct (1280x800)...could not get wireless working..(acerhk etc didnt work either)
[08:22] <cafuego> dennis_: bug!
[08:22] <dennis_> ?
[08:22] <cafuego> Mine does. ssh, samba and ftp.
[08:23] <dennis_> ftp with login isn't working
[08:23] <cafuego> isn't working how?
[08:23] <dennis_> it opens the window and everything
[08:23] <dennis_> but the shortcut or icon doesn't appear on the desktop
[08:23] <topyli> hmm
[08:23] <punkass> they appear under your "Places" menu
[08:23] <cafuego> dennis_: Did you disable them in the cfg?
[08:23] <dennis_> nope
[08:24] <DekaPink> So... Since Quake 3 is open source now... Does that mean that it could turn up in a repository at some point for apt? :3
[08:24] <Burgundavia> DekaPink, yes, if someone packages it
[08:24] <topyli> DekaPink: all the other id games have
[08:24] <Madpilot> DekaPink: it's only the source code, not the artwork/graphics and stuff, AFAIK
[08:24] <cafuego> DekaPink: Sure, except that witout all the wad files (artwork) it's kinda of useless.
[08:24] <bob2> DekaPink: yes, it will shortly, but only the engine is GPL
[08:24] <Madpilot> sorry, meant "only the engine"
[08:24] <DekaPink> Oooooh.
[08:24] <DekaPink> So it's like... Kind of useless? ^^;
[08:24] <Madpilot> not at all
[08:25] <Madpilot> ppl have done cool things with the Q2 engine
[08:25] <DekaPink> Cool. :)
[08:25] <topyli> cafuego: well, the q2 debian packages are far from useless
[08:25] <cafuego> ugh
[08:25] <Madpilot> this, for instance: http://www.ufoai.net/
[08:25] <dennis_> Error "Unsupported operation" while creating a link to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:25] <punkass> bob2..so ubuntu installs on it..but none of the features of being a laptop work.
[08:25] <cafuego> why does ooo2 needs to depends on en-us?
[08:25] <HrdwrBoB> DekaPink: at the very least, it means that people can run quake3 with alsa and build it for new distributions
[08:25] <bob2> dennis_: dude, what are you doing there?
[08:26] <bob2> punkass: have you filed bugs?
[08:26] <topyli> cafuego: (apart from being a game :)
[08:26] <dennis_> I have the ftp window open
[08:26] <bob2> punkass: or filed out a laptop report thing?
[08:26] <dennis_> Ftp window >Edit> Make link
[08:26] <punkass> bob2: no i havent... i got frusterated...and killed the partition.
[08:26] <odyssey23> hey guys.... just thought i'd drop in and say still havnt tried ubuntu yet my friend had version 4.0 so it didnt have the hoary on it to load...
[08:26] <odyssey23> will keep you updated
[08:26] <odyssey23> thanx :")
[08:27] <bob2> dennis_: why are you trying to link to a initrd?
[08:27] <dennis_> i just want to place a shortcut to connect to my ftp server
[08:27] <dennis_> Thats all I want to do
[08:27] <dennis_> How would I do this?
[08:27] <DekaPink> I suppose it's really none of my nevermind since I don't seem to be keen enough to make my video card work with 3D properly.
[08:27] <punkass> bob2: what is the laptop report thing?
[08:28] <fdorrington> does anyone know how to use gnome keyring?
[08:28] <odyssey23> hey btw... can anyone help me out i got a cd burner second hand... in the usb to external burner a pin has come out of the cord and is left lodged in the burner... any ideas how to get it out?? :/
[08:29] <fdorrington> or how I can get sound to record via the mic without it projecting through the speakers?
[08:29] <bob2> punkass: search the wiki for hoary laptop, I guess
[08:29] <punkass> bob2: yeah doin that now
[08:29] <bob2> dennis_: why are you linking to an initrd file?
[08:29] <dennis_> I dunno
[08:29] <thoreauputic> dennis_: can't you do something like: make a launcher with the command "nautilus ftp://ftp.myserver.org " ?
[08:29] <bob2> fdorrington: best to just ask your question
[08:29] <dennis_> Okay
[08:29] <dennis_> Finally a straight answer
[08:29] <dennis_> THanks thoreauputic
[08:29] <fdorrington> bob2 asked it a few time without replies throughout the day.
[08:29] <fdorrington> question is how do I disable gnome keyring
[08:30] <odyssey23> no? :~(
[08:30] <glick> tkgate looks hella cool
[08:30] <glick> im impressed
[08:30] <bob2> fdorrington: yes, so it's best to ask that, instead of your meta-question earlier
[08:31] <thoreauputic> hmm archive.ubuntu.com is *really* slow for some reason
[08:31] <bob2> fdorrington: why do you want to disable it?
[08:31] <fdorrington> because I don't want it coming up everytime the person using the machine logs in
[08:31] <fdorrington> it will confuse them
[08:31] <bob2> it doesn't come up everytime someone logs in
[08:32] <fdorrington> it does on this machine
[08:32] <topyli> glick: tk widgets in general rock =)
[08:32] <thoreauputic> bob2: is archive.ubuntu.com having problems? Seems to be super slow the last couple of days...
[08:32] <bob2> what password does it ask for?
[08:32] <fdorrington> the key manager password
[08:32] <bob2> thoreauputic: not that I know of
[08:32] <deleric>
[08:32] <bob2> fdorrington: and it affects newly created users?
[08:32] <fdorrington> this machine only has the one user
[08:32] <odyssey23> .
[08:32] <bob2> try it then
[08:33] <fdorrington> bob2: try what?
[08:33] <topyli> fdorrington: it shouldn't do that (and you should make more user accounts :)
[08:33] <hondje> thoreauputic: seems fine for me
[08:33] <thoreauputic> bob2: my download graph looks like a sawtooth pattern... and about half speed at that
[08:33] <bob2> fdorrington: try creating a new user and see if it affects them.  I'd be very surprised if it did.
[08:33] <fdorrington> topyli: only one person is going to be using this account so I don't need alot more user accounts
[08:33] <fdorrington> bob2: I need to stop it from affecting this user
[08:34] <bob2> fdorrington: that's a different question then
[08:34] <bob2> since you seem to have enabled it
[08:34] <topyli> fdorrington: oh, you said "when people log in" so i thought
[08:34] <thoreauputic> hondje: usually I get a steady stream - it's really flaky all of a sudden
[08:34] <stizoner> i try to open a .rar in kubuntu with ark and it says "the utility unrar is not in your PATH"
[08:34] <hondje> thoreauputic: I'll download a kernel src pkg, see what happens
[08:34] <fdorrington> bob2: that's correct it was enabled as a test and it has been decided that it isn't wanted
[08:34] <fdorrington> bob2: so now it needs to be disabled
[08:35] <bob2> it would be easier if you'd mentioned that to begin with
[08:35] <hondje> thoreauputic: seems fine, sorry
[08:35] <fdorrington> bob2: sorry didn't think it made a difference. Disabling it is disabling it I thought. So with that bit of information in mind do you know how I can disable it?
[08:35] <thoreauputic> hondje: :(
[08:36] <topyli> fdorrington: you could uninstall it perhaps
[08:36] <Ex-Cyber> stizoner: you probably need to install unrar or unrar-nonfree (AFAIK you need -nonfree to work with archives created by recent RAR / WinRAR versions; it is in multiverse)
[08:36] <skyred> how do i turn dvd movies to divx?
[08:37] <HrdwrBoB> skyred: you can use 'dvdrip'
[08:37] <fdorrington> topyli: that won't affect anything else?
[08:37] <skyred> is divx the smallest size format?
[08:37] <stizoner> thank your Ex-Cyber
[08:37] <topyli> fdorrington: try it and see if it wants to remove other packages
[08:37] <stizoner> you*
[08:38] <fdorrington> topyli: best to do this via synatpic package manager I take it
[08:38] <skyred> no answers:(
[08:38] <bob2> fdorrington: did you run "gnome-keyring-manager" and delete the keyring?
[08:38] <stizoner> yay! worked
[08:38] <topyli> fdorrington: yes, or apt. no matter, it will ask you anyway if it wants to remove half of gnome :)
[08:39] <Pickle_Weasel> what's a good dialer for ubuntu?
[08:39] <bob2> "dialer"?
[08:39] <fdorrington> bob2: that would be handy. don't know how to access the manager
[08:39] <Ex-Cyber> skyred: video encoding is a complex subject... no codec is inherently "the smallest" for all purposes, so there is really not a useful answer to your question
[08:39] <rosa> good morning. igot me here a Orinoco PCI adapter for my pc, somehow ubuntu doesn't reconize it, can anybody help me out
[08:39] <bob2> fdorrington: that's the name of the command...
[08:39] <fdorrington> says the command isn't found
[08:39] <topyli> hrmf
[08:40] <Pickle_Weasel> a 56k dialer..=\
[08:40] <bob2> Pickle_Weasel: you have a real external or ISA modem?
[08:40] <skyred> is there any dvd-cutter tool which allows me to cut & save certain portions?
[08:41] <Ex-Cyber> skyred: there's a GUI editing/encoding/transcoding tool but the name escapes me at the moment :(
[08:41] <skyred> :(
[08:41] <skyred> is it a linux tool?
[08:42] <skyred> avidemux?
[08:42] <hondje> avidemux is one
[08:42] <bob2> just use drip
[08:42] <bob2> or thoggen
[08:42] <fdorrington> bob2: that command isn't found
[08:42] <Ex-Cyber> yeah, I think I was thinking of avidemux
[08:42] <Pickle_Weasel> ISA? i have a PCI Winmodem, but i got that working, i just need a dialer
[08:42] <PurpleMotion> avidemux is the shit
[08:43] <skyred> shit??
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> it's a GREAT program
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> sorry
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> slang
[08:43] <thoreauputic> Pickle_Weasel:  sudo pppconfig , and use  pon/poff to connect/disconnect
[08:43] <mattyJ> my freind has remote desktop set up, what program can i use to connect to his computer?
[08:43] <topyli> americans
[08:43] <ethan> Hello!
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> yeah we suck
[08:43] <topyli> yep :)
[08:43] <skyred> PurpleMotion:  i thought u meant its a lousy program
[08:43] <hondje> almost as bad as finns :p
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> but i dont wanna live here anymore, so i only kinda suck
[08:43] <topyli> hehe
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> i want to defect to canada
[08:43] <Pickle_Weasel> wow, that sound almost too simple
[08:43] <ethan> right so i kinda need some help... lol
[08:44] <ethan> I'm having a really hard time getting any sound with ubuntu on my iBook
[08:44] <PurpleMotion> hows it run on that ibook?
[08:44] <ethan> it runs great..  but theres no sound
[08:44] <Madpilot> Is there something that'll display .eps files in Ubuntu? (I think I've asked bofore, but forgotten the answer...)
[08:44] <ethan> lol..
[08:44] <PurpleMotion> okay
[08:44] <PurpleMotion> im going to bed
[08:45] <ethan> aww..
[08:45] <PurpleMotion> im falling asleep here
[08:45] <ethan> lol
[08:45] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, inkscape might
[08:45] <ethan> do you know how to get sound working purplemotion?
[08:45] <PurpleMotion> yeah
[08:45] <ethan> ok..
[08:45] <CoffeeBreaks> if I plug a USB disk, shouldn't there be some kind of automount in hoary? It works with media cards and USB flash disks, but not for this 'normal' disk.
[08:45] <topyli> PurpleMotion: you have such weird time zones and all :)
[08:45] <PurpleMotion> install alsa from scratch (from source)
[08:45] <ethan> i dont think its even seeing my sound card
[08:45] <ethan> ok how should i do that?
[08:45] <Digis> any issues I should know before upgrading hoary->breezy?
[08:45] <benplaut> Burgundavia, i really do want to make a LaptopTesting page, but the wiki won't let me login :P
[08:46] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: nope, not these ones, anyway
[08:46] <Digis> X allready working?
[08:46] <FatalCure> I thought this was supposed ot be linux for human beings. yet I can't play mp3's, I have no java, my cd drive doesnt work - as if there is no power ...
[08:46] <lancellor> hey guys how do i close a application that is running in cinsole like  Xlink Kaid
[08:46] <Ex-Cyber> PurpleMotion: this is probably a silly question, but I'm curious: does your choice of nick have anything to do with FC?
[08:46] <Madpilot> FatalCure: the mp3 & Java things are easy to cure
[08:46] <ethan> PurpleMotion,   How should i go about doing this?
[08:46] <PurpleMotion> topyli:  what country over there is it that recognizes no form of computer crimes?
[08:46] <Madpilot> !mp3
[08:46] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[08:46] <Madpilot> !java
[08:46] <ubotu> hmm... java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:46] <FatalCure> fc??
[08:46] <PurpleMotion> ethan:  start at www.alsa.org - oh, and good luck :)
[08:46] <ethan> hmm
[08:46] <topyli> PurpleMotion: none. but the nordic ones around sweden are pretty liberal
[08:46] <Madpilot> FatalCure: see ubotu's posts above ^^^
[08:47] <PurpleMotion> ive not dont it myself on ubuntu
[08:47] <ethan> i went there...
[08:47] <CoffeeBreaks> FatalCure: you can't have Java on free systems. Java's not free. Same for mp3. But you can find them (or at least mp3) in a non official ubuntu repository
[08:47] <FatalCure> Yer ill take a look
[08:47] <ethan> I'm just confused what to do..
[08:47] <Madpilot> CoffeeBreaks: you can get Java thru the hoary-extras repo
[08:48] <FatalCure> and whats that?
[08:48] <PurpleMotion> ive never been asked to pay for a java vm in my life
[08:48] <lancellor> i open kaid in console and when i close it and try to open again is telling me is already running how do i kill an aplication
[08:48] <hondje> Free as in Libre, not free as in gratis
[08:48] <Burgundavia> benplaut, can you login to launchpad?
[08:48] <topyli> PurpleMotion: also, russians may be a bit lazy to prosecute for that sort of thing
[08:48] <FatalCure> Ive used windows all my life.. I want somethign install I double clickt he installer... please talk to me as if you are talking to an infant
[08:48] <mattyJ> anyone know how to connect to another pc running vino?
[08:48] <Madpilot> !tell FatalCure about synaptic
[08:49] <PurpleMotion> topyli:  and american men are looked upon as gods by russian women
[08:49] <PurpleMotion> SKEET
[08:49] <Madpilot> FatalCure: Synaptic makes installing most things in Ubuntu even easier than "double-click on installer"...
[08:49] <topyli> PurpleMotion: don't count on it these days though :)
[08:49] <fdorrington> ok resolved the keyring problem.
[08:50] <PurpleMotion> topyli:  not what i heard from my friend who spent a month there earlier this year
[08:50] <PurpleMotion> topyli:  he said he bounced around from warm spot to warm spot the whole time
[08:50] <landotter> heya all, not seeing "grubconf" in Hoary's Synaptic, any suggestions for an alternative?
[08:51] <topyli> PurpleMotion: you know better than me then. i've last been to russia in the soviet times
[08:51] <fdorrington> Does someone know how to record from the mic in sound recorder without feeding the mic input through the speakers? This is on a ISA AWE64
[08:51] <PurpleMotion> he said pretty much all he did was get drunk and take advantage of the effect american men have on russian women, heh
[08:51] <PurpleMotion> topyli:  I was there _just_ after
[08:51] <PurpleMotion> 1995
[08:51] <PurpleMotion> err 1995
[08:52] <topyli> PurpleMotion: i was there in maybe 1899 and was sold "glasnost" t-shirts
[08:52] <topyli> very cool
[08:52] <PurpleMotion> yeah
[08:53] <lancellor> how do i kill or close an aplication in console???
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> I sat for a whole day in st. basils
[08:53] <LasseL> damn you must be old
[08:53] <topyli> heh
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> how old is that church? almost a thousand years
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> something like that
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> there is no history like that here
[08:53] <topyli> it's a great country
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> the rest of the world is old.. once youve seen it, this place looks 'cheap'
[08:54] <DekaPink> Blast!
[08:54] <topyli> PurpleMotion: glass and money :)
[08:54] <Ex-Cyber> fdorrington: I wish I could give specific instructions but my best guess is that you have to use a mixer app to mute the mic channel output
[08:54] <topyli> PurpleMotion: i've only been to atlanta though
[08:54] <PurpleMotion> atlanta is a hell of a town
[08:55] <PurpleMotion> im driving through it tomorrow night
[08:55] <DekaPink> I've just installed the ATI drivers, and now 3D is working... but when I try to open a video in mplayer, it says "fatal error! error opening/initializing selected video_out (-vo) device"
[08:55] <PurpleMotion> on myw ay to florida
[08:55] <fdorrington> Ex-Cyber: yeah I've used the ossmixer properties. But when I mute the mic output it stops it being recorded
[08:55] <ethan> so does anybody else know how to get sound working on my iBook in ubuntu??
[08:55] <ethan> = /
[08:55] <topyli> oh, ubuntu talk!
[08:56] <ethan> lol
[08:56] <FatalCure> ok this seems alot easier then the tutorials on net I found.. I should have come here earlier
[08:56] <ethan> I just have absolutely no sound..
[08:56] <FatalCure> so ubuntu comes with all these packages? and I just click em to install em via the  synaptic package manager thingy?
[08:56] <topyli> yes
[08:57] <Madpilot> FatalCure: pretty much
[08:57] <FatalCure> damn someone could have said that 3 days ago... here I am trying to install java by following this tutorial on the net
[08:57] <ethan> I seriously need to get sound working
[08:57] <DekaPink> Anyone know what it might be about?
[08:57] <ethan> hheeeelllppppp
[08:57] <Madpilot> FatalCure: start at the Ubuntu wiki - http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:57] <FatalCure> lines and lines of sudo code
[08:59] <CoffeeBreaks> what is the system used by hoary to automount external devices? It works for multimetia card but not for one of my disks
[08:59] <topyli> FatalCure: doesn't it have instructions for just getting it with apt?
[08:59] <FatalCure> no.. and I dunno what apt is
[08:59] <topyli> ah
[09:00] <voltagex> one question, why does dictd have to be restarted after every dictionary install? couldn't it just be restarted after all dictionaries have been installed?
[09:00] <FatalCure> I just started using linux 2 days ago... the majority of tutorials on net presume you know everything bout it already
[09:00] <Madpilot> FatalCure: apt-get is the command line version of Synaptic, basically (a gross generalization, but it'll do)
[09:00] <topyli> FatalCure: just the first thing it says: add the repository, search for j2re in synaptic
[09:01] <FatalCure> Yer but then half the ftp servers for the apt get updates thing are down or changed
[09:01] <topyli> FatalCure: yeah, some of them don't work
[09:01] <FatalCure> Yer but how am I supposed to know what that mean
[09:01] <Madpilot> FatalCure: the main Ubuntu repos are stable - not sure about all the mirrors...
[09:01] <durt> FatalCure: you need java eh?
[09:02] <durt> i just helped someone with that
[09:02] <FatalCure> I didn't know what where the reposityory was or what synaptic was until i came here
[09:02] <topyli> FatalCure: look at the backports web page for mirrors: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[09:02] <topyli> FatalCure: add one, launch synaptic and update. you should have j2re then
[09:03] <Madpilot> the mirrormax mirror I know is good, I use it myself
[09:03] <topyli> yep
[09:04] <benplaut> how can i make the xscreensaver lock better looking in breezy?
[09:04] <FatalCure> Ok so after I mark the things I want for installation in package manager where do I click to install those
[09:04] <chinabright> i just wanna say durt rules and your guys rock for being here for freaking newbies like me that are soo lost
[09:04] <Madpilot> FatalCure: the Apply button
[09:04] <chinabright> so thanks
[09:04] <voltagex> gah still 17min til I'm back in guiland
[09:04] <DekaPink> Pah. The world hates me. x(
[09:04] <benplaut> DekaPink, it hates all of us :)
[09:04] <chinabright> ubuntu hates me
[09:04] <FatalCure> oh ok
[09:04] <chinabright> me
[09:04] <durt> im a noobie too
[09:05] <chinabright> lol
[09:05] <topyli> ubuntu loves everybody
[09:05] <DekaPink> I just want working video driver and working video player... at the same time... :(
[09:05] <topyli> that's not so much to ask
[09:05] <Madpilot> DekaPink: tried Totem or one of the others?
[09:06] <topyli> DekaPink: totem-xine and w32codecs should handle pretty much everything
[09:06] <durt> DekaPink: what video driver are you using?
[09:06] <chinabright> ok ill check you guys out later im gone
[09:06] <chinabright> poof
[09:06] <DekaPink> durt: ATI drivers from their site.
[09:06] <FatalCure> and after they install do I have to restart or anything? Im getting the gstreamer and java packages
[09:06] <DekaPink> Totem works... but I like mplayer. :3
[09:06] <topyli> DekaPink: they are notorioysly crappy
[09:07] <Madpilot> DekaPink: the ATI drivers in the repos don't work for you?
[09:07] <topyli> DekaPink: oh, mplayer
[09:07] <voltagex> mplayer > *
[09:07] <Madpilot> DekaPink: I like programs that work. Totem works, so... :)
[09:07] <voltagex> cos it plays just about anything I throw at it
[09:07] <DekaPink> Madpilot: Well, they didn't the last time I tried. :3
[09:07] <durt> FatalCure: you dont need to restart i dont think
[09:07] <FatalCure> ok
[09:07] <topyli> voltagex: it just doesn't have a decent gui
[09:08] <durt> what java thing did you install
[09:08] <durt> ?
[09:08] <Madpilot> FatalCure: there is only one upgrade that'll require a restart of a Linux computer - adding Java isn't it!
[09:08] <topyli> heh
[09:08] <voltagex> topyli this is true
[09:09] <FatalCure> ok cool
[09:09] <voltagex> but I'll usually use it from konsole
[09:09] <topyli> yeah, it's better not to mess with the gui
[09:09] <DekaPink> Though Totem's aspect ratio menu doesn't seem to actually change the aspect ratio.
[09:09] <FatalCure> I think i am starting to like linux alot more now that I know about the package manager
[09:10] <Madpilot> FatalCure: it's easier than messing around on the command line, that's for sure.
[09:10] <durt> Madpilot: you said earlier that j2re was in the ubuntu repositories - you mean the blackdown one right?
[09:10] <topyli> FatalCure: well, it's one of the main attractions :)
[09:10] <voltagex> FatalCure: yeah I didn't know what make && make install meant when I started so apt-get was great
[09:10] <Madpilot> durt: no, the real thing from Sun, it's in hoary-extras
[09:10] <Madpilot> !repos
[09:10] <ubotu> repos is, like, totally, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[09:10] <Ex_Cyber> eh
[09:10] <voltagex> except when you're on australian "broadband" - 3.5hrs to get kde and x
[09:10] <durt> ok
[09:10] <bimberi> luxury :)
[09:10] <Madpilot> durt: see the bottom of that AddingRepositories page with ubotu ^^^
[09:10] <Ex_Cyber> I thought blackdown was essentially "the real thing from Sun", just built/packaged by the blackdown java project
[09:11] <FatalCure> haha Im on unwired, fucking shit speeds for heaps of money yay
[09:11] <topyli> you have broadband? when i was young we used to carry around TCP/IP packets in racksacks!
[09:11] <lancellor> i was running kaid on kubuntu no problem but with gnome i'm having this problem http://www.teamxlink.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12353&sid=7798095d7d1aa307778b1fda09858670
[09:11] <voltagex> FatalCure: is it really that bad?
[09:11] <lancellor> how do i kill the other kaid
[09:11] <voltagex> FatalCure: gotta be better than 256/64 adsl
[09:12] <bimberi> well of course we had it tough, we sent bits of paper with 0's and 1's by carrier pigeon
[09:12] <FatalCure> u reckon
[09:12] <voltagex> FatalCure: what's your top d/l speed?
[09:12] <Madpilot> bimberi: is channeling Monty Python sketches allowed here? :)
[09:12] <topyli> finland, "the IT capital of the world" is finally starting to have real broadband
[09:12] <FatalCure> Havent ever tested it... around 40k a second though
[09:12] <durt> oh!... I gotcha madpilot
[09:13] <voltagex> FatalCure: 26k/s top here
[09:13] <durt> oops a little late
[09:13] <bimberi> Madpilot: much as i'd love too ...
[09:13] <voltagex> topyli: got fibre?
[09:13] <bimberi> :)
[09:13] <topyli> bimberi: lol. you had pigeons? ... oh, let's drop it
[09:13] <bimberi> lol
[09:13] <FatalCure> but thats 12 gigs only until it drops to 64k
[09:14] <topyli> voltagex: not everybody, but the speeds are getting better on dsl
[09:14] <Ex_Cyber> heh, my top dl speed here is more like 26kb/s, where b = bits
[09:14] <DekaPink> Ooooh. Turns out the problem was the drivers apparently don't support xv
[09:14] <topyli> voltagex: fiber is for business still
[09:14] <voltagex> FatalCure: don;t tell anyone, but I do 32gb+ a month on a supposed 12gb plan
[09:14] <DekaPink> So I just changed it to x11
[09:14] <FatalCure> yer well mine always drops... grr
[09:14] <topyli> DekaPink: x11 always works, but it's not the fastest one
[09:15] <FatalCure> I used 10/12 gigs in about 1.2 weeks then try and last the rest of month
[09:15] <topyli> DekaPink: you're on ATI right? so you may not get full mplayer support. dunno
[09:15] <voltagex> topyli: fibre is some mythical thing here... 1.5mbit ADSL costs $AUD80+
[09:15] <DekaPink> topyli: Just as long as it works, I'm happy. :)
[09:16] <FatalCure> Im paying AUD $120 for a 1mbit line..
[09:16] <topyli> voltagex: $AU is a bit more than $US right?
[09:16] <voltagex> err $1AUD=about $1.60US I think
[09:16] <topyli> voltagex: such a connection would be something like 30 to 40 euros here
[09:17] <topyli> voltagex: that's pretty darn expensive
[09:17] <tseedmund> no 1 AUD is only like 60c US
[09:17] <voltagex> topyli: so lucky, that's only about $60AUD
[09:17] <voltagex> oh whoops I got it round the wrong way........
[09:17] <durt> is it true that toilets flush the opposite direction in australia?
[09:17] <topyli> yeah. they are paying their promises now here :)
[09:17] <tseedmund> well depends on where you are right now
[09:17] <voltagex> nope that's a myth
[09:17] <Madpilot> 1.00 AUD = 0.75 USD
[09:18] <Ex_Cyber> I read somewhere that "real" (i.e. multihomed datacenter) bandwidth costs around $100/mbit/month in the US, heh
[09:18] <voltagex> aha
[09:18] <tseedmund> well yeah if you get the most current exchange rates..
[09:18] <topyli> voltagex: the water thing? i've always believed it :)
[09:18] <voltagex> topyli: I'm 90% sure it's a myth
[09:18] <topyli> go check :)
[09:18] <tseedmund> I think it's true
[09:18] <durt> why dont we test it
[09:18] <voltagex> topyli: and dropbears don't exist, and kangaroos are not pets
[09:19] <tseedmund> lol
[09:19] <topyli> heh
[09:19] <voltagex> you can see it with the water... if I move the tap to the other side or change the angle the water in the basin goes the other way
[09:19] <Ex_Cyber> AFAIK the hemisphere-specific effect rotation-draining effect is real but it's vastly overwhelmed by the design of the toilet/sink/whatever unless said toilet/sink/whatever is really huge
[09:19] <topyli> voltagex: oh, so it's not a hemispheric thing?
[09:19] <tseedmund> that's true
[09:20] <voltagex> gah can I get unicode/utf8 in ubuntu? german text looks reaaaaaaaaally weird
[09:20] <topyli> Ex_Cyber: makes sense
[09:20] <topyli> voltagex: hoary defaults to utf8
[09:20] <FatalCure> kangaroos are pests not pets
[09:20] <voltagex> topyli: well something's not working as advertised on the can
[09:21] <topyli> bimberi: that's a pool of wisdom!
[09:21] <FatalCure> common misconception
[09:21] <topyli> heh
[09:21] <topyli> voltagex: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:21] <bimberi> but all our secrets are being given away.  Next thing will be that all the snakes are harmless :)
[09:21] <voltagex> where there should be umlauts I get mutant ae+random ascii character
[09:21] <topyli> and pick an utf8 locale
[09:21] <Madpilot> bimberi: just !lart them... ;)
[09:22] <topyli> !lart australia
[09:22] <bimberi> !lart australian sporting teams of the moment
[09:22] <topyli> hehe
[09:22] <bob2> not our fault we beat everyone
[09:23] <topyli> !lart finland
[09:23] <topyli> how appropriate
[09:24] <topyli> damn i have 3 evolutions running
[09:24] <voltagex> topyli: I'm now using en_AU UTF8 and still getting garbled characters
[09:24] <topyli> hmm
[09:25] <voltagex> I'll see what it's like in X once it's installed
[09:25] <voltagex> i actually used the excuse that I didn't have X installed to not do homework......
[09:25] <Madpilot> voltagex: did your teacher understand the excuse?
[09:26] <topyli> voltagex: gnome should handle it graciously, consoles are a bit more tricky
[09:26] <voltagex> Madpilot: this was my parents I talked to, didn't use those words
[09:26] <ubuntu> hi
[09:26] <AMCDeathKnight> How do you get ssh running in live cd?
[09:26] <voltagex> Madpilot: I said "in 10min i'll have some semblance of a word processor"
[09:26] <topyli> voltagex: "my tools are b0rken right now, gotta fix them"
[09:27] <eps> AMCDeathKnight /etc/init.d/sshd start ?
[09:27] <voltagex> topyli: eeeew gnome
[09:27] <AMCDeathKnight> no file or directory
[09:27] <voltagex> topyli: although when ubuntu was first installed I was using gno,e amd I don't see what all the fuss is about
[09:27] <topyli> voltagex: well, i guess kde can pretty much handle something too :)
[09:27] <eps> AMCDeathKnight not sure default ubuntu has as ssh server installed
[09:27] <eps> gnome > kde :)
[09:27] <AMCDeathKnight>  dont think so; but how can i enable it
[09:28] <AMCDeathKnight> i need to get it running in live cd
[09:28] <topyli> voltagex: no fuss. that's the point of gnome :)
[09:28] <AMCDeathKnight> there must be away
[09:28] <voltagex> FLAMEWAR!!!!1111oneone!!!!11eleven
[09:28] <Nexinarus> heh
[09:28] <eps> AMCDeathKnight apt-get install openssh-server
[09:28] <voltagex> brb going to the land of kde
[09:28] <topyli> heh
[09:28] <Nexinarus> hey- any slick c++ ide for ubuntu (gui) ?
[09:29] <Nexinarus> anyone do c++ coding in here? or am i asking the wrong people?
[09:29] <redguy> Nexinarus: emacs?
[09:29] <topyli> Nexinarus: kde has a nice ide called kdevelop. i guess you can do it in anjuta as well
[09:29] <topyli> oh, emacs of course!
[09:29] <eps> I found out why my windows install takes four minutes plus to boot today... who would have thought - it scans your my documents while booting ... and would you never guess, I have six gigs worth of files in my docs
[09:30] <Nexinarus> isnt emacs console?
[09:30] <eps> emacs is evil! evillllll!!!!
[09:30] <bob2> no
[09:30] <tomaj> how would i go about starting azureus from tty1? DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/azureus doesnt work
[09:30] <bob2> emacs is an excellent IDE, tho
[09:30] <bob2> tomaj: it will work if you run it as the user logged in on DISPLAY :0
[09:30] <Nexinarus> oh, ill check emacs then
[09:30] <topyli> emacs is both console and X
[09:30] <tomaj> bob2 i did and it didnt
[09:30] <bob2> tomaj: and the error was ....
[09:30] <eps> Nexinarus I normally use vi/vim/gedit
[09:30] <tomaj> bob2: i'll try again o
[09:31] <^^frank^^> breezy: disappeared any icon on desktop; context-menu (right mouse button) not working. Any hint?
[09:31] <Nexinarus> !breezy
[09:31] <ubotu> methinks breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[09:31] <Nexinarus> lol
[09:31] <tomaj> bob2: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:31] <Nexinarus> ok maybe i wont get breezy
[09:32] <bob2> so, you're not logged into X, or you're logged in a sa different user on the console
[09:32] <bob2> why are you starting it from VT1, anyway?
[09:32] <tomaj> no
[09:32] <tomaj> bob2: im not
[09:32] <tomaj> bob2: because i want to start it from cron
[09:33] <bob2> so, there you go
[09:33] <topyli> i like that. "it can and will be broken". how would anything progress otherwise? :)
[09:33] <VoltageX> aaah need bigger resolution!
[09:33] <tomaj> bob2: it doesnt work
[09:33] <tomaj> bob2: im logged in as tomaj in both gnome and tty1
[09:33] <VoltageX> is there a graphical xorg.conf creator?
[09:33] <^^frank^^> ubotu: will be possible (simply) upgrade from Hoary to Breezy (when it will be release) ? Just change sources.list?
[09:33] <ubotu> ^^frank^^: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[09:34] <tomaj> ^^frank^^: you know ubotu is just a bot right?
[09:34] <Madpilot> !ubotu
[09:34] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:34] <Angrod> i downloaded a .deb package. how do i install it?
[09:34] <Madpilot> Angrod: "dpkg -i <name>.deb"
[09:34] <topyli> Angrod: why did you download it and what is it?
[09:35] <topyli> Angrod: not  apt-gettable?
[09:35] <Angrod> nope, not apt-getable :)
[09:35] <^^frank^^> !ubotu
[09:35] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:35] <tomaj> topyli: stop your banter, this is a channel about ubuntu not socialising mmk
[09:35] <bob2> tomaj: you ran "export DISPLAY=:0" and then "azereus"?
[09:35] <Angrod> do i need to be "su" when i install?
[09:35] <tomaj> export?
[09:36] <bob2> Angrod: no, use sudo
[09:36] <bob2> tomaj: just run it
[09:36] <Madpilot> Angrod: "sudo dpkg... etc"
[09:36] <Angrod> oki
[09:36] <tomaj> bob2: no i ran "DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/azureus"
[09:36] <Nexinarus> omg xemacs is 30meg.. im gonna run out of money heh
[09:36] <Angrod> oki, thanks :)
[09:36] <bob2> tomaj: then run what I suggested
[09:36] <topyli> Nexinarus: it's big in size and in features
[09:36] <tomaj> bob2: i just did and it still doesnt work
[09:37] <Nexinarus> oh actually i might be able to afford..
[09:37] <bob2> tomaj: what's the output of "env | grep DISPLAY"?
[09:37] <tomaj> tty7?
[09:37] <bob2> Nexinarus: if you pay per byte, why not install emacs21 from the CD?
[09:37] <bob2> tomaj: that's wrong
[09:38] <topyli> Nexinarus: and have the cd in your sources.list too
[09:38] <tomaj> bob2: DISPLAY=:0.0
[09:38] <tomaj> bob2: i asked where to run it
[09:38] <Nexinarus> oh cool emacs is on cd? great
[09:38] <ompaul> ^^frank^^, you will be able to but apt-get dist-upgrade is a step in there - that is the way of the upgrade with a move of haory to breezy in the sources
[09:38] <bob2> tomaj: you run it from the termainl you want to run azeurus
[09:38] <topyli> Nexinarus: some extensions may not be on it, but those aren't so big
[09:39] <bob2> tomaj: works for me
[09:39] <bob2> not with az*
[09:39] <tomaj> bob2: DISPLAY=:0 is the output
[09:39] <ompaul> ^^frank^^, it has been going on for years this upgrading thing in Debian (though some would say not often enough :))
[09:39] <tomaj> bob2: vs DISPLAY=:0.0 in gnome
[09:39] <bob2> tomaj: shouldn't matter
[09:39] <bob2> try the other if you like
[09:39] <tomaj> how?
[09:40] <ompaul> ^^frank^^, given that ubuntu is based on debian so we have the same dependable structure for upgrading
[09:40] <spine55> I'm having a problem getting apache2 to start on boot. I reinstalled and it still will not start is there something I can do manually?
[09:41] <Nexinarus> is there a command apached? i cant remember, a few months since i used it
[09:41] <ompaul> spine55, /etc/init.d/apache2 start <<-- that should do it
[09:41] <tomaj> bob2: it also says something about invalid mit-magic-cookie-key after the server error
[09:41] <FatalCure> grr I just saw someone ask this before but never read responses..
[09:41] <FatalCure> I don't seem to have any sound?
[09:41] <Tibolo> if someone know how to uncompress .zip files?
[09:41] <tomaj> Tibolo double click
[09:41] <Nexinarus> double click it?
[09:41] <^^frank^^> [breezy]  any icon on the desktop is disappeared. I can't use context menu on desktop (i.e. to create a new launcher link)
[09:41] <spine55> ompaul, ya that works but how can I make it run on boot?
[09:42] <spine55> Nexinarus, no such file
[09:43] <Selekta> yo
[09:43] <tomaj> bob2: are you still looking into it?
[09:43] <Selekta> how do i make a boot floppy to install ubuntu on a machine that doesn't support botting from cd?
[09:43] <Madpilot> spine55: if the apache2 start line doesn't work, are you absolutely sure you installed it right?
[09:44] <Nexinarus> spine55: yeah sorry.. ompaul: spine55, /etc/init.d/apache2 start <<-- that should do it
[09:44] <spine55> Madpilot, well I installed it with synaptic
[09:44] <Madpilot> spine55: have a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:44] <Tibolo> tomaj ok...i'm a newbie in linux and i uncompress the .zip files, and i want to install a plugin for amsn and i don't know how to do?
[09:45] <tomaj> tibolo: to open a zip file double click it and the archive manager should start
[09:45] <Madpilot> spine55: OK, I used Synaptic and it worked for me, including auto-start on boot...
[09:45] <Tibolo> for uncompress it's ok
[09:45] <tomaj> oh ok, well i've never used amsn tibolo so im not sure how to do the rest...
[09:45] <Zaph> hi all
[09:46] <Zaph> I am having troubles..
[09:46] <spine55> Madpilot, ahh I think I see the problem
[09:46] <Tibolo> i'm used with Windows and my first reaction is to search an execute files :)
[09:46] <Zaph> I am running Ubuntu in VMWare Workstation... and I want to change my resolution.
[09:46] <tomaj> tibolo im assuming its used to connect to msn, why not use gaim?
[09:46] <Zaph> I see other options for the resolution, but if I change it, it just reverts back to the original res...
[09:46] <Madpilot> Tibolo: no such thing here! ;)  have you tried gaim for msn access?
[09:46] <Zaph> any ideas how to solve this?
[09:47] <Madpilot> !fixres
[09:47] <ubotu> hmm... fixres is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:47] <Tibolo> yes but gaim have not a lot of options like amsn
[09:47] <Madpilot> Zaph: see ubotu ^^^
[09:47] <tomaj> tibolo: what option is it you are missing?
[09:47] <Tibolo> webcam
[09:47] <Madpilot> spine55: what was the problem?
[09:47] <Zaph> hmmm.... I will go look at that... but I think it is actually a VMWare issue...
[09:47] <Tibolo> or smileys
[09:48] <tomaj> tibolo: it has smilies you just have to enable them in the preferences
[09:48] <topyli> sure gaim has them
[09:48] <spine55> Madpilot, false alarm I'll let you know
[09:48] <Zaph> !vmware
[09:48] <ubotu> Not a clue, Zaph
[09:48] <Tibolo> i activate but it don't have a lot
[09:49] <tomaj> tibolo: fair enough, i cant help you with amsn though because i havnt used it
[09:49] <Tibolo> i will try by myself to install it..thx for the help tomaj
[09:49] <tomaj> np tibolo
[09:49] <FatalCure> D I have to do anything to get my speakers working with ubnuntu? I don't seem to have any sound
[09:49] <Nexinarus> oo emacs looks great
[09:50] <tomaj> bob2: u there?
[09:50] <tristanmike> good nite all
[09:50] <DrSpin> hey all!! quick question... how can I make sure that all of my dbus-daemon-1 instances are closed when I logout of XFCE??
[09:50] <tomaj> nite
[09:51] <topyli> Nexinarus: have a nice year learning all the features :-)
[09:51] <topyli> Nexinarus: and customizing!
[09:52] <voltagex> how can I mount my ntfs drives so they can be read by all users?
[09:52] <Madpilot> !ntfs
[09:52] <ubotu> ntfs is probably the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[09:52] <DrSpin> voltagex http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:53] <voltagex> ok
[09:54] <Madpilot> !ubuntuguide
[09:54] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned
[09:54] <topyli> Tibolo: amsn supports webcams?
[09:55] <tomaj> anyone know how to get azureus starting from tty1?
[09:55] <Nexinarus> voltagex: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -r -o umask=0222 (assuming the folder /mnt/windows exists, and the ntfs partition is on hda1)
[09:56] <topyli> tomaj: i would use a real console app
[09:56] <tomaj> topyli: i need to get azureus running
[09:56] <Tibolo> topyli : yes aMSN CVS
[09:56] <topyli> Tibolo: very cool
[09:56] <Tibolo> but i didn't try it yet
[09:57] <topyli> tomaj: why azureus? it's just one option of many
[09:57] <Nexinarus> hmm emacs is crazy
[09:57] <tomaj> topyli: because its leet and my bittorrent client of choice, do you know how to get it running from tty1?
[09:57] <topyli> Nexinarus: i would have to agree, but it's one of the greatest programs ever :)
[09:57] <Nexinarus> wow its really tripping me out haha
[09:58] <topyli> tomaj: it's an X app, and a java app, so honestly i don't
[09:58] <tomaj> ok thanx anyway topyli
[09:58] <topyli> Nexinarus: do "M-x doctor" if you start feeling weird :)
[09:59] <topyli> M = ALT
[09:59] <Nexinarus> hmm it likes to beep a lot
[10:00] <topyli> you make too many mistakes :)
[10:00] <topyli> you can stop it from beeping
[10:00] <pinko> ...why would azureus run in tty1?
[10:00] <Nexinarus> how, topyli?
[10:00] <spine55> Madpilot, got it
[10:01] <spine55> Madpilot, for some reason /etc/default/apache2 was set to no start
[10:01] <topyli> Nexinarus: hold on while i put my ~/.emacs on the web so you can see too
[10:02] <Keito> Hi
[10:02] <Madpilot> spine55: interesting... I don't think that's the default setting - wasn't for me, anyway
[10:02] <spine55> Madpilot, changed the line there to NO_START=0
[10:02] <spine55> Madpilot, well it could have happened when I installed both apache and apache2
[10:03] <spine55> Madpilot, only thing I can think of
[10:03] <bob2> why did you install both and not configure one to listen on a nother port/ip?
[10:03] <Madpilot> spine55: could be - never bothered with Apache 1.3.33 here
[10:03] <spine55> bob2, well I installed apache by mistake or else I would have
[10:04] <mojo333> can anyone tell me what I need to do to remove a previous kernel?
[10:04] <bob2> in the default config, only one will run
[10:04] <bob2> the other will fail to start
[10:04] <spine55> bob2, yeah that's what happened most def
[10:04] <topyli> Nexinarus: http://siltala.net/comp/dot-emacs -- don't just copy that, but there may be snippets you want
[10:04] <bob2> mojo333: the relevant linux-image package
[10:04] <spine55> well thanks for the help guys!
[10:05] <voltagex> bye all
[10:05] <mojo333> I can do it through snyaptic?
[10:05] <Nexinarus> um topyli what is that?
[10:05] <Nexinarus> what file?
[10:05] <bob2> mojo333: of coure
[10:05] <topyli> Nexinarus: .emacs in my home directory
[10:06] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: you use emacs?
[10:06] <Razor-X> kickass :)
[10:06] <Nexinarus> ya
[10:06] <topyli> Nexinarus: forget the "custom-set-variables" but see the stuff i wrote myself
[10:06] <Razor-X> don't forget to use erc, shell, ansi-term, and the works
[10:06] <No1Viking> Anyone have an idea if there are a e-mail client that has more than one inbox, like Becky Internetmail?
[10:06] <Razor-X> eshell
[10:07] <bob2> erc isn't the best irc client in the world
[10:07] <Nexinarus> hmm so many new names, im gonna forget em all
[10:07] <mojo333> should I use removal or complete removal?
[10:07] <bob2> mojo333: either
[10:07] <Razor-X> NolViking: almost all modern email clients allow multiple inboxes
[10:07] <Nexinarus> im using gaim for irc right now, works great heh
[10:07] <bob2> No1Viking: more than one inbox?  what does that mean?
[10:07] <Razor-X> bob2: no, but it is pretty nice even still
[10:07] <bob2> all modern MUAs let you have arbitrary numbers of folders
[10:08] <Razor-X> tell me Frys has a better selection of keyboards than they advertise
[10:09] <Razor-X> wait... will I ever be able to convert my emacs'ing to a natural keyboard.... :(
[10:10] <jklappenbach> got a question about setting up more than one account for login.
[10:10] <jklappenbach> Anyone available to help out?
[10:10] <Razor-X> jklappenbach: for what?
[10:10] <Razor-X> multiple services use accounts
[10:10] <bob2> best to just ask your question
[10:11] <Razor-X> multiple clients support one service
[10:11] <Belutz> hoorayy i just got my ship it cds just now :D
[10:11] <Nexinarus> heh
[10:11] <No1Viking> bob2: I need to have one e-mailclient where I can setup serveral mailaccounts and every account should have one inbox.
[10:12] <pinko> those things look like fun, Razor-X
[10:12] <bob2> No1Viking: any client could do that...
[10:12] <Razor-X> pinko: better than mice, IMO
[10:13] <Razor-X> I use a thumb-based one though, so it just looks like a modified mouse
[10:13] <jklappenbach> I've followed the faq, and added new users through System->Administration->Users & Groups.  However, when they try to logon, the system reports failure.
[10:13] <pinko> I'd use anything that would fit in the split of my split keyboard.
[10:13] <jklappenbach> I'd like to be able to create separate accounts for my wife and children.
[10:13] <pinko> even if it's the nipple
[10:14] <pinko> that's where I'd most like a mouse-type thing
[10:14] <Razor-X> pinko: :)
[10:14] <Razor-X> you use a split keyboard?
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> I use a split keyboard
[10:14] <Razor-X> this keyboard is so old, I have orange seeds and what not in here
[10:14] <Razor-X> the sweat stains are so embedded on the keys, they won't come off
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> (at work, home I use model M)
[10:14] <pinko> hehe
[10:14] <bob2> jklappenbach: sure you used the right password?  what does "report failure" mean?
[10:14] <Razor-X> and, the main factor, this is my dad's keyboard :)
[10:15] <jklappenbach> Means that the login is refused.  Something like username or password is incorrect, be sure to observe case.
[10:15] <Razor-X> I already use Dvorak, so that's not a problem, but I want something more effecient, only something that won't totally destroy my emacs/browser muscle memory
[10:15] <jklappenbach> I tried it myself, and I'm certain I used the same passwords I assigned the accounts.
[10:15] <topyli> Nexinarus: gaim has an advantage: beagle is aware of it :)
[10:16] <jklappenbach> If this isn't a known issue, then perhaps I've just smoked too much craque.
[10:16] <Razor-X> I was looking into HHKL2 and Das, but I'm going to Frys tomorrow, and that's like a biyearly event
[10:16] <bob2> jklappenbach: does logging in to the terminal work?
[10:17] <jklappenbach> Ah.  I'll try that.  Hold on and thanks, bob2
[10:17] <hubsi> i'm back
[10:18] <jklappenbach> @*#$.  what's the command line statement to log in as a different user on the terminal?
[10:19] <nickrud> topyli, I just dropped in: do have a quicko howto for beagle for dummies?
[10:19] <jklappenbach> I used SunOS and solaris over a decade ago, and am now back in the fold.
[10:19] <Belutz> jklappenbach: su username
[10:19] <nickrud> *you :)
[10:19] <bob2> jklappenbach: ctrl-alt-f1
[10:20] <nickrud> or, just say go do some research, my skin is thick ;)
[10:20] <topyli> nickrud: no such thing as beagle for dummies, beagle is a bit funky. but instructions are at http://beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall
[10:21] <nickrud> topyli, thanks much.
[10:21] <Razor-X> any reccomendations for nice keyboards? (since offtopic is dead)
[10:22] <topyli> nickrud: remember, beagle is very alpha. they're trying to get it to work somehow in breezy :)
[10:22] <jklappenbach> su reports: Authentication failure\nSorry.
[10:22] <Belutz> Razor-X: i think logitech keyboard is nice
[10:22] <jklappenbach> Is there a log I can check?
[10:22] <Razor-X> Belutz: of what style?
[10:22] <topyli> Belutz: i agree. i just broke one and am still crying
[10:23] <Razor-X> I like a PS/2 keyboard
[10:23] <bz0b> Is there anyone here that uses ndiswrapper?
[10:23] <Razor-X> mmm, that's specifics for you :)
[10:23] <Belutz> Razor-X: you can take a look at their website www.logitech.com , almost all of their keyboards is nice :)
[10:23] <Razor-X> !ndiswrapper
[10:23] <ubotu> methinks ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[10:23] <bz0b> that can possibly help me out
[10:23] <Belutz> topyli: to bad :)
[10:23] <Belutz> too
[10:23] <Razor-X> anything that's available at Frys?
[10:24] <topyli> Belutz: poured beer into it a week ago, for the too-manieth-time :(
[10:24] <Razor-X> i'm very happy with my Logitech trackball, very very happy
[10:24] <Belutz> what's Frys ?
[10:24] <nickrud> topyli, a quick look says I need to recompile my kernel for exended attributes for ext3: is this needed with a breezy kernel?
[10:24] <Belutz> topyli: hahahaha lol, maybe you should find the spill resistant keyboard
[10:24] <bob2> jklappenbach: /var/log/auth.log
[10:25] <topyli> nickrud: no, it works on hoary kernel without inotify already, and breezy should have it by now
[10:25] <Razor-X> Belutz: you don't live in a European nation, do you? :)
[10:25] <Razor-X> errr, Caucasian dominant nation rather
[10:25] <topyli> Belutz: i replaced it with an 80's IBM monster that should take anything :)
[10:25] <Nexinarus> hmm so with emacs, i have to make my own makefiles to compile?
[10:25] <Belutz> Razor-X: no i'm not, i'm in south east asia, Indonesia
[10:26] <nickrud> topyli, never mind.
[10:26] <bob2> wtf
[10:26] <bob2> Fry's is us-only, afaik
[10:26] <Razor-X> Belutz: ahhh, ok
[10:26] <Razor-X> bob2: yeah, but I have an uncle over from England, and he knows about Frys
[10:26] <Razor-X> and you seem to know about Frys as well
[10:26] <Belutz> topyli: i think there's a good keyboard at www.thinkgeek.com :D
[10:26] <bob2> only from hearing americans talk about it
[10:26] <Razor-X> it may not _exist_ in non-US nations, but they know about it :)
[10:26] <fluffybunny_> how do I extract .rar archives?
[10:27] <Razor-X> well, this uncle loves to go to Frys, meh
[10:27] <bob2> as they assume everything in their country is everywhere
[10:27] <Ng> fluffybunny_: install unrar and/or rar :)
[10:27] <bob2> fluffybunny_: with unrar
[10:27] <ompaul> Razor-X, the whole world knows about fry's :) the problem is that they are US and maybe .ca only
[10:27] <nickrud> topyli, I did a quick look at /boot/config*, and the extended attributes are already enabled. So, time to actually try it, I guess.
[10:27] <topyli> Nexinarus: i would still have a terminal open for that, or you can use "M-x eshell". or if you're in X, you should have something in the tools menu
[10:27] <Ng> fluffybunny_: one or other also then lets the Archive Manager handle them (so rar probably, although it's not open source)
[10:27] <pinko> what do they know about Frys?  that you have a full 40% chance of not getting poop in a box?
[10:27] <topyli> Nexinarus: if you're in a C or C++ or whatever mode
[10:27] <fluffybunny_> thanks
[10:28] <ompaul> pinko, no the existance of the premises of these geek toy stores
[10:28] <Ng> ompaul: why would you assume the whole world knows about some crappy US only hardware store? ;)
[10:28] <topyli> nickrud: you still have to remount your home partition with the user_xaddr option
[10:28] <topyli> i gues
[10:28] <topyli> s
[10:28] <Razor-X> I checked out Logitech's site and they have a whole of three keyboards :)
[10:28] <Nexinarus> how do i run M-x eshell?
[10:28] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: M-x eshell :)
[10:28] <ompaul> Ng, because this muppet knows, :)
[10:28] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: you do know emacs notation, right?
[10:28] <Nexinarus> where, like in a terminal?
[10:28] <nickrud> topyli, thanks for the heas up. I'll have to do a bit of research first.
[10:28] <Nexinarus> noope..
[10:28] <topyli> Nexinarus: M = ALT key, so alt-x eshell
[10:28] <Belutz> i never complain using logitech products
[10:28] <Nexinarus> oh
[10:28] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: do you use the arrow keys in emacs?
[10:28] <bob2> that depends on the keyboard
[10:29] <Ng> ompaul: your sample size might be a bit small ;)
[10:29] <bob2> it really means meta, which is often alt on a PC keyboard
[10:29] <ompaul> Ng, the kind of place you can buy a crap screwdriver or a fluke tester :)
[10:29] <Razor-X> exactly
[10:29] <Madpilot> Razor-X: they've got to have more than that, I've got a dozen+ listed at my usual online comp store...
[10:29] <Nexinarus> oh im at the eshell
[10:29] <mdke> how do I enable suspend to ram?
[10:29] <ompaul> Ng, I guess you could be right
[10:29] <Razor-X> Madpilot: non-cordless, mind you
[10:29] <Razor-X> non-Bluetooth
[10:29] <topyli> Belutz: i'll get another uber-multimedia keyboard from logitech or microsoft i guess
[10:29] <pinko> well, if any of you are non-US and have romantic notions about this geek-heaven, just be cautious.  if it has moving parts, and you can find out elsewhere, do that.
[10:29] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: one of my favorite shells out there
[10:29] <ompaul> pinko, get it from logitech :)
[10:30] <No1Viking> noah, bob2: Not to have one inbox per mailaccount, eg 10 configured mailaccounts should have 10 inboxes.
[10:30] <pinko> *if you can find IT elsewhere, I meant.
[10:30] <jklappenbach> bob2:  I'm back...
[10:30] <pinko> fry's is nice to wander and marvel at stuff you can't afford, though
[10:30] <jklappenbach> So, su [username]  failed for my two new users.
[10:30] <Razor-X> pinko: not when you're armed with $200 :)
[10:30] <Nexinarus> hmm i might waste the bandwidth and download eclipse
[10:31] <Razor-X> ... of which $150 I cannot spend
[10:31] <Nexinarus> emacs is too leet for me..
[10:31] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: noooo!!!!
[10:31] <nickrud> fry's palo alto was a unique experience :)
[10:31] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: C-h t RET
[10:31] <mdke> how do I enable suspend to ram? <-- please anyone??
[10:31] <Razor-X> errr, scratch the RET
[10:31] <Razor-X> nickrud: meh :)
[10:31] <Nexinarus> C-h t?
[10:31] <topyli> Nexinarus: if you just want to write some code, try anjuta too
[10:31] <jklappenbach> I once worked with a guy who coded enough lisp to turn emacs into a webclient.
[10:31] <DrSpin> Could someone please tell me how I can restore my XFCE session to DEFAULT after I accidentally chose "save session"
[10:32] <topyli> Nexinarus: M=ALT, C=CTRL
[10:32] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: emacs speak for Ctrl+h then hit t after releasing the mind
[10:32] <pinko> tried xemacs?  sounds delightful
[10:32] <Razor-X> M=Meta (which on most keyboards/keyboard layouts is Left Alt), and C=Ctrl
[10:32] <Razor-X> pinko: nah, I prefer normal emacs, but the default ubuntu emacs package is xemacs
[10:32] <topyli> pinko: no difference IMO
[10:32] <pinko> I mean, the windowmanager.  If I have the name right.
[10:33] <Razor-X> Ratpoison?
[10:33] <pinko> ok, it's not xemacs then.
[10:33] <bob2> Nexinarus: then do so, I'm sure evolution and thunderbird  can
[10:33] <topyli> the default is gnu emacs 21 AFAIK
[10:33] <bob2> jklappenbach: and what did your log say?
[10:34] <Razor-X> topyli: ``sudo aptitute install emacs21'' is Xemacs
[10:34] <DrSpin> ?/
[10:34] <DrSpin> ?
[10:34] <Razor-X> to get it X-less, you use
[10:34] <Razor-X> ``sudo aptitude install emacs21-nox''
[10:34] <Razor-X> or something along those lines
[10:34] <jklappenbach> I missed the statement where you told me where the logs were.
[10:34] <pinko> whatever I'm thinking of, it's the window manager that is really a giant mutated emacs.
[10:34] <jklappenbach> Somewhere in /var I suppose?
[10:34] <pinko> cannot recall the name at all.
[10:34] <topyli> Razor-X: xemacs is a completely different program, a fork of gnu emacs. gnu emacs comes in X and console forms
[10:35] <Razor-X> topyli: oh, my bad
[10:35] <Razor-X> topyli: I thought it defaulted XEmacs
[10:35] <Nexinarus> ah anjuta looks lovely from the screenshots
[10:35] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: GUI fiend :)
[10:35] <Nexinarus> more noobish and friendly, thanks ill download that
[10:35] <topyli> Razor-X: you can find xemacs packages in universe too, but it's a different thing
[10:35] <catfox> pinko, sawfish/sawmill
[10:36] <topyli> Nexinarus: looks good in gnome too :)
[10:36] <pinko> ok, it's called http://www.xwem.org/
[10:36] <nickrud> oh, lisp based window mangers
[10:36] <bob2> jklappenbach: /var/log/auth.log
[10:36] <Razor-X> holy mother...
[10:36] <bz0b> I still can't get my ndiswrapper to work with my wep key
[10:36] <bz0b> I mean it works without wep
[10:37] <FatalCure> haha wtf
[10:37] <nickrud> well, a deep variant :)
[10:37] <FatalCure> I had my speakers plugged into the same jack as always.. after ubuntu install sound stopped.. I just tried moving the jack to another spot
[10:37] <FatalCure> and my music is playign wooot
[10:38] <Razor-X> if a WM is made...., meh :)
[10:38] <Razor-X> it's only a matter of time until you bootstrap a mini-kernel, run emacs, and run a real kernel from there
[10:38] <topyli> Razor-X: "emacs is my operating system, linux just provides the device drivers"
[10:38] <FatalCure> now I can dl some mp3's mmm yum
[10:39] <jonathan_> What programming  language is most development done wuth
[10:39] <Razor-X> FatalCure: you use yum?
[10:39] <pinko> ...and drive a car and maintain a self-contained biodome etc
[10:39] <Razor-X> how horrible, thou hasth replace apt!
[10:39] <ThreeDayMonk> Is there a backports repository where I can get PostgreSQL 8?
[10:39] <Razor-X> pinko: yeahp :)
[10:39] <jklappenbach> (pan_unix) authentication failure; logname=[myown, not the desired user]  uid=1000 euid=0 tty=pts/1 ruser=[me]  rhost=[null]  user=[desired user]
[10:39] <jonathan_> Anyone know??
[10:39] <Nexinarus> ok now i think you put me off emacs for a long time lol
[10:39] <Madpilot> FatalCure: have you got the mp3 codecs installed?
[10:39] <bob2> jklappenbach: don't use su, ctrl-alt-f1, try to login, ctrl-alt-f7 to return
[10:39] <jklappenbach> Then: pam_authenticate: Authentication failure
[10:39] <FatalCure> wtf is yum... I meant yum... an appatite for music
[10:40] <FatalCure> yer its all working now
[10:40] <FatalCure> yay
[10:40] <jklappenbach> And finally: - pts/1 [me] :[desired]
[10:40] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: you want vi, fine! but don't come back crying back to me when you have to use 21 screen shell sessions and your emacs equivalent session looks small
[10:40] <tomaj> bob2: did you have any more help for me?
[10:40] <Razor-X> FatalCure: yum is another package manager
[10:41] <Razor-X> that's why vi users crib about zsh -- they have to have many instances of their shell running
[10:41] <Nexinarus> heh
[10:41] <Nexinarus> vi is also horrible.. bring edit.com any day :p
[10:41] <shuveb> ooo segfaults :-( any known reasons?
[10:41] <jklappenbach> Weird, I had fairly little issue getting wifi to set up on my Acer Ferrari 3200 laptop on an AMD64 system (had to recompile and modprobe ndiswrapper) and this comes to bite me...
[10:41] <pinko> FatalCure: *gasp*, you use yay?
[10:41] <Selekta> how do i make a boot floppy to install ubuntu on a machine that doesn't support botting from cd?
[10:41] <Razor-X> pinko: XD
[10:41] <FatalCure> rofl
[10:41] <topyli> !ed
[10:41] <Razor-X> pinko: I do a similar thing with ack
[10:42] <ubotu> ed is the standard editor! ed, man! man ed!
[10:42] <Razor-X> someone says ``ack''
[10:42] <Razor-X> I say ``SYN''
[10:42] <Razor-X> :)
[10:42] <HrdwrBoB> other way around
[10:42] <Razor-X> topyli: TECO all the way man, TECO all the way
[10:42] <Belutz> lol
[10:42] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: it's not in an order
[10:42] <topyli> !start an editor war
[10:42] <ubotu> gvim is better than emacs
[10:42] <|Poeg|> what is Ubuntu breezy-live-i386 default login name and passwrd.. I m noobie
[10:42] <Razor-X> ubotu: noooooooooooooooo!!!!!
[10:42] <ubotu> Razor-X: I give up, what is it?
[10:42] <FatalCure> damn theres wierd noises coming from everywhere now
[10:42] <shuveb> hmmm... all ooo.org programs are segfaulting :(
[10:42] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: you need a SYN first
[10:43] <pinko> haha.  it's something like playing nethack and then seeing the literary world as full of monsters.
[10:43] <FatalCure> I dunno if they mean dl's r complete .. ppl came online or what
[10:43] <bz0b> can someone tell me, if I  add my user to the admin group, then do I need to reboot for it to take effect?
[10:43] <Razor-X> let's start a Holy Crusade, my emacs brothers!
[10:43] <Razor-X> on ubotu!!!!
[10:43] <Razor-X> ok ok, enough
[10:43] <|Poeg|> what is Ubuntu breezy-live-i386 default login name and passwrd.. I m noobie
[10:43] <Nexinarus> nah i like the way emacs is set up in the university labs under windows, really slimmed down for compile and run for gcc, that'd be nice
[10:43] <bz0b> and is the correct syntax to add a user to admin group, usermod -g admin username
[10:43] <Razor-X> Nexinarus: try looking into QEmacs
[10:44] <nickrud> bz0b, sudo adduser <username> admin is the simplest way
[10:45] <bz0b> nickrud, thanks
[10:45] <|Poeg|> what is Ubuntu breezy-live-i386 default login name and passwrd.. I m noobie
[10:45] <bz0b> nickrud, what if the user is already added
[10:45] <nickrud> bz0b, and, you do have to log out and relogin to have the change take effect
[10:45] <Razor-X> one of the major attractors/detractors of emacs is that it's infinitely expandable, and can do most anything if someone made it
[10:45] <bob2> |Poeg|: it didn't tell you during boot?
[10:45] <transgress> anyone know a good program to remove encryption from say... a dvd image...?
[10:45] <Nexinarus> dvdbackup?
[10:46] <Nexinarus> or something
[10:46] <jtan325> bob2, what's your opinion on breezy stabilitiy
[10:46] <|Poeg|> I saw again, than rebooting
[10:46] <bob2> jtan325: I'm not using it
[10:46] <darksoul> how do i upgrade to the newest gnome?
[10:46] <jtan325> i've noticed that "please don't use breezy" is taken out from the topic
[10:46] <Ng> darksoul: build it yourself, brave running breezy, or wait until October when Breezy is released :)
[10:46] <nickrud> jtan325, it's been gone for a few days now
[10:46] <bob2> jtan325: X is only a little broken now
[10:46] <darksoul> ..
[10:46] <topyli> jtan325: "breezy is fully stable and supported" was not added there though :)
[10:46] <darksoul> im just running normal ubuntu
[10:47] <nickrud> heh
[10:47] <jklappenbach> bob2:  Did those log entries give you any hint?
[10:47] <darksoul> how do i upgrade to the new gnome, isnt there a apt-get command
[10:47] <Ng> darksoul: that'll probably be Hoary, which is the current release. Breezy is the next release (due october) and has the newest gnome
[10:47] <darksoul> its beta right
[10:47] <topyli> darksoul: there is no new gnome except the 2.11 development version
[10:47] <bob2> 18:39:53 @         bob2 | jklappenbach: don't use su, ctrl-alt-f1, try to login, ctrl-alt-f7 to return
[10:47] <darksoul> Ng: how many bugs?
[10:47] <Ng> darksoul: I have no idea :)
[10:48] <Ng> darksoul: if you don't know your way round a debian system I wouldn't advise installing breezy yet
[10:48] <nickrud> darksoul, the latest gnome has really been released yet, you'll want to wait for the official breezy release to get the offical gnome release from ubuntu.
[10:48] <darksoul> k
[10:48] <bz0b> nickrud, it didnt work
[10:48] <darksoul> is there a way to see what gnome u have
[10:49] <bz0b> nickrud, I tried usermod -G admin bz0b, then I relogged in, and I didnt get sudo
[10:49] <Ng> darksoul: System->About GNome
[10:49] <topyli> darksoul: "gnome-about". and there's a menu entry too
[10:49] <nickrud> bz0b, log in as the user you want to be in admin, then, in a terminal type group <user>
[10:49] <darksoul> 2.10.0
[10:49] <darksoul> theres no update?
[10:50] <nickrud> if admin is in that output, you should be fine. otherwise, sudo adduser <usr> admin then relogin
[10:50] <jklappenbach> Curious.  The log states:
[10:50] <jklappenbach> authentication failure; logname=LOGIN uid=0 euid=0 tty=tty1 ruser= rhost= user=[desired]
[10:51] <nickrud> bz0b, I tend to use the tools that debian/ubuntu provides for things like that, not the raw commands.
[10:51] <topyli> darksoul: gnome in the stable ubuntu is whatever it was when ubuntu was released
[10:51] <jklappenbach> then:
[10:51] <jklappenbach> localhost login[7085] : FAILED LOGIN (1) on `tty1' FOR `[desired] ', Authentication failure
[10:51] <topyli> darksoul: be assured, ubuntu always has the latest gnome :)
[10:51] <jklappenbach> I'll try updating the password once more to be sure.
[10:51] <Belutz> topyli: can i upgrade my gnome to gnome 2.12 on sept 7 ?
[10:51] <tomaj> can someone help me start azureus from tty1?
[10:52] <darksoul> topyli: thks, i got my ubuntu months ago just havent installed it for awhile
[10:52] <Ng> Belutz: if you build it yourself, sure
[10:52] <Antarez> moin
[10:52] <Ng> Belutz: or upgrade to breezy then
[10:52] <darksoul> Topyli: whats so good with breezy?
[10:52] <topyli> Belutz: if i'm not completely mistaken, breezy preview cd's will be out on the same day. this happened the last time
[10:52] <Ng> Belutz: the new gnome will not be coming to hoary though
[10:52] <Antarez> can I use debian packages in ubuntu?
[10:52] <Ng> Antarez: maybe
[10:53] <Madpilot> Antarez: not recommended
[10:53] <eliphas_> if I want to install openoofice 2 I need to uninstall openoffice 1.1 first ?
[10:53] <darksoul> whats new in breezy?
[10:53] <topyli> darksoul: i'm basically just hungry for the new gnome once it's ready
[10:53] <nickrud> Ng, I wouldn't be suprised if someone backported 2.12 for hoary
[10:53] <Ng> eliphas_: I seem to have both installed at the moment :)
[10:53] <jklappenbach> Nope, no difference.  Still login failed.
[10:53] <Ng> nickrud: backports make me sad ;)
[10:53] <Antarez> otherwise the amount of easily available software si very limited
[10:53] <Belutz> Ng: so i have to compile it my self?
[10:53] <topyli> darksoul: the system in general has been working just fine for me for years. it's the desktop that evolves the most
[10:53] <nickrud> Ng, backports are not by def bad, just by execution
[10:53] <eliphas_> Ng, so i will uninstall it then
[10:54] <Belutz> topyli: does the preview cd is a live cd or not?
[10:54] <Ng> Belutz: you don't have to, as topyli suggested there will probably be a breezy preview about that time, or you can wait until October for the final breezy, which will be the easiest option :)
[10:54] <transgress> anyone have a good link for getting transcode kicking on ubuntu?  google is failing me
[10:54] <FatalCure> what do I need to install in symantic to play wmv files
[10:54] <darksoul> Topyli: is there a apt-get install command for breezy...i dont want iso
[10:54] <topyli> Belutz: they will release install cd's, or you can upgrade
[10:54] <Ng> FatalCure: check the RestrictedFormats entry in the ubuntu wiki
[10:55] <Belutz> Ng: ic, if, and only if i compie it my self, will it make the upgarde to breezy more difficult?
[10:55] <ompaul> jklappenbach, first click on system - administration - users and groups check the spelling of the username you are using
[10:55] <darksoul> Topyli: is there a apt-get install command for breezy like apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:55] <topyli> darksoul: you can just change everything hoary in your sources.list to breezy and upgrade. i wouldn't recommend it yet though
[10:55] <Madpilot> Antarez: there's 16,000 or so packages in Ubuntu repos - that's hardly "very limited"...
[10:55] <Belutz> topyli: but the preview release is still not stable right?
[10:55] <Ng> Belutz: if you compile it yourself then you'd really want to reinstall when breezy came out
[10:55] <darksoul> Topyli: why not? im reinstalling so much it wont matter
[10:55] <topyli> Belutz: not by a far shot
[10:55] <transgress> Madpilot: oh yeah... well on blahandblah distro it has a kablillion packages.
[10:55] <Antarez> Madpilot: I did not find xfce, mplayer and some other stuff
[10:56] <Belutz> Ng: ic
[10:56] <darksoul> topyli: can u give me the exact sources?
[10:56] <Ng> Belutz: I wouldn't recommend compiling it yourself at all really, it's not quick or simple ;)
[10:56] <transgress> Antarez: edit the sources.list to include universe and multiverse.
[10:56] <nickrud> darksoul, if you have a little extra space on your hd (like 4-5gb) you can get colony 3 and try out breezy. Keep Hoary around, though.
[10:56] <Antarez> maybe user error, should I not just see all of them using aptitude?
[10:56] <aleitner> does anybody know what version of xorg will ship with breezy, and whether it will have 3d accel for newer radeons (r300) with the open source driver?
[10:56] <topyli> darksoul: it's different if it's not a production system
[10:56] <Belutz> btw, i never upgade linux os
[10:56] <jklappenbach> checked.  The string under the column [user]  should correspond to the entry given for login, correct/
[10:56] <jklappenbach> *?
[10:56] <topyli> darksoul: no :)
[10:56] <Belutz> how is the process of upgrading from hoary to breezy?
[10:56] <darksoul> Topyli: any links to screen shots?
[10:56] <eliphas_> Ng maybe not Synaptic says if I uninstall openoffice it removes ubuntu desktop
[10:56] <Spudz0r> hey folks, has anyone had any trouble with CUPS printing, im getting a "No pages found!" error, everything worked perfectly fine last time i used it and i havnt changed everything so i dont know whats going on :S
[10:56] <transgress> Belutz: i little like sex in the back of a volkswagon
[10:57] <tomaj> is it possible to make gnome log in at a certain time? not after but at
[10:57] <topyli> darksoul: no, i'm on a stable hoary box myself. i only have one spare box at work that i upgraded (and broke)
[10:57] <darksoul> k
[10:57] <darksoul> ill just go ask on fourms lol
[10:58] <Madpilot> Antarez: you don't have Universe/Multiverse enabled, then. mplayer is in Universe, I think
[10:58] <Belutz> transgress: i have never had sex before :p
[10:58] <Ng> eliphas_: I said you don't need to uninstall openoffice1, I have both installed :)
[10:58] <Antarez> Madpilot: I see, tnx
[10:58] <transgress> Belutz: well it's very uncomfortable in the back of a volkswagon
[10:58] <Belutz> transgress: ic
[10:58] <topyli> Belutz: just say no :)
[10:58] <ompaul> jklappenbach, yes it should
[10:58] <eliphas_> yeah but i was afraid that it could bring some problem in the future
[10:58] <transgress> topyli: that's the worst thing you've said since i've been in this channel.
[10:58] <topyli> hah
[10:59] <eliphas_> but thanks ng
[10:59] <eliphas_> :)
[10:59] <jklappenbach> ok, I'm not mistaken on the name then.
[10:59] <ompaul> jklappenbach, it takes you so long to reply I just check every couple of minutes :)
[10:59] <Madpilot> !tell Antarez about repos
[10:59] <Belutz> so it's better to reinstall ubuntu to breezy than upgrading it?
[10:59] <ompaul> jklappenbach, I am documenting a project atm
[10:59] <jklappenbach> I'm making double sure.
[10:59] <Ng> eliphas_: I reckon you'll be fine, openoffice2 warns you if you're going to save a file in a format that openoffice1 can't read, which is about the only problem you're likely to have with it :)
[10:59] <transgress> Belutz: no, it's better to wait until breezy is stable.
[10:59] <topyli> transgress: i was of course referring to sex at the back seat of a VW :)
[10:59] <eliphas_> right not a huge bugger
[10:59] <transgress> topyli: ha i see.
[10:59] <eliphas_> thanks Ng
[11:00] <Mayday> in evolution, is it possible to save the the settings for "Advanced search" ? there is a save button, but it doesent seem to work?
[11:00] <jklappenbach> Plus, when I switch over to tty1 (alt-ctrl-f1) the text is so faint, I can barely read it.
[11:00] <Belutz> transgress: yes, i mean, if the breezy already stable, how is the process of upgrading from hoary to breezy :)
[11:00] <transgress> well when that occurs Belutz it'll be more like sex in the back of a pickup, not classy, but it works well.
[11:00] <eliphas_> Belutz, change horay by breezy in apt/souce.list
[11:00] <jtan325> !motu
[11:00] <ubotu> motu are the Masters of the Universe (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU)
[11:01] <Belutz> eliphas_: as simple as that??
[11:01] <Belutz> transgress: but it depends with whom you had sex right? :D
[11:01] <eliphas_> yeah
[11:01] <jtan325> is there a motu channel?
[11:01] <ompaul> jklappenbach, okay so now do this sudo -i in a terminal
[11:01] <transgress> Belutz: eh it's all the same when you drug them.
[11:01] <Hieronymus> jtan325: yes
[11:01] <jtan325> or maintainers channel?
[11:02] <jtan325> could you tell me what it was, please?
[11:02] <Belutz> transgress: lol :D
[11:02] <jtan325> wait
[11:02] <jtan325> i can't read
[11:02] <transgress> jtan325: perhaps try #motu
[11:02] <jtan325> sorry
[11:02] <Hieronymus> jtan325: #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-devel respectively
[11:02] <topyli> jtan325: there is a motu channel
[11:02] <jtan325> lol yeah
[11:02] <transgress> damn i was close
[11:02] <jtan325> i wasn't reading the wiki
[11:02] <jtan325> thanks though
[11:03] <jklappenbach> so, i just updated the password again in [Users and Groups] , switched to tty1 again, and still no luck.
[11:03] <ompaul> jklappenbach, type 'passwd username' make the password something simple just for a minute say jk-some-telephone-number
[11:03] <jklappenbach> doing sudo -i in terminal...
[11:04] <ompaul> jklappenbach, emm have you caps lock on?
[11:04] <jklappenbach> no.
[11:04] <jklappenbach> or it would be caps now.
[11:04] <transgress> i'm bothered that someone can make yet another crappy wm to look like XP, but noone has designed a desktop to look like OSX
[11:04] <bob2> because it looks crap
[11:04] <bob2> and it's slow
[11:04] <jklappenbach> sudo -i puts me into root@[host]
[11:05] <Wilf> OSX is on x86 now anyway
[11:05] <bob2> since X doesn't do transparency like that, etc
[11:05] <transgress> Wilf: sort of... and it doesn't change that it isn't linux.
[11:05] <Wilf> it's better.
[11:05] <transgress> Wilf: opinion
[11:05] <Wilf> yup
[11:05] <ompaul> jklappenbach, well no, it does not carry from a 'ctrl-alt_f*'  to here :)
[11:05] <jklappenbach> No, my caps lock ain't on.
[11:06] <transgress> bob2: i more of meant the look and feel... such as where the menu bar is (top of the screen), and the docker... and i know you can get those in kde... but it could be done better...
[11:06] <ompaul> jklappenbach, now do this su username where the word username is the one you are using
[11:06] <ompaul> jklappenbach, now do this su username where the word username is the one you are testing
[11:06] <bob2> why are we using su instead of just actually logging in?
[11:06] <jklappenbach> from root?
[11:06] <ompaul> bob2, I want to be sure that he has the right userns
[11:06] <bob2> transgress: that sort of thing requires applications to be designed like that
[11:06] <ompaul> username
[11:06] <ompaul> jklappenbach, yes
[11:07] <tomaj> bob2: did you have any more help for me?
[11:07] <bob2> tomaj: my #1 suggestion would not to disappear every 10 seconds when I try to reply to you
[11:07] <transgress> bob2: ah i see.
[11:07] <bob2> other than that, dinner time
[11:07] <Spudz0r> grr, can anyone help?
[11:07] <Spudz0r> :S
[11:07] <ompaul> jklappenbach, and what has happened?
[11:07] <transgress> well someone could at least design a better docker heh
[11:07] <tomaj> bob2: i was trying to try a few things out plus i had to go pick up my sis
[11:07] <jklappenbach> gives me "sudo: shelly: command not found"
[11:07] <transgress> sudo shell
[11:08] <transgress> oh wait... what are you trying to do?
[11:08] <jklappenbach> Where shelly is my wife's account name.
[11:08] <transgress> su shelly
[11:08] <morbidi> su - shelly
[11:08] <bob2> or "sudo -u shelly".
[11:08] <ompaul> jklappenbach, well now I said 'su shelly'
[11:08] <bob2> but have we looked at /etc/passwd yet to see if that account exists?
[11:09] <BTJustice> With Synaptic, is it best to the a default upgrade or a smart upgrade?
[11:09] <thoreauputic> jklappenbach:  su = switch user
[11:09] <tomaj> bob2: so can you help me out?
[11:09] <morbidi> su shelly just changes the account to shelly, you stay in the same directorie
[11:09] <ompaul> if it does not then we have more fun
[11:09] <jklappenbach> su shelly results in shelly@[myhost] :/root$
[11:09] <tomaj> bob2: when you are done helping the other perons
[11:09] <bob2> 19:07:23 @         bob2 | other than that, dinner time
[11:09] <ompaul> morbidi, correct now watch
[11:09] <morbidi> su - shelly you are "exported" to the home of shelly
[11:09] <jklappenbach> So the account is there.
[11:10] <tomaj> bob2: ok, well enjoy your dinner then
[11:10] <tomaj> :)
[11:10] <jklappenbach> It's just when I've logged off and the shell is showing the graphical interface for login, she can't get in.
[11:10] <ompaul> jklappenbach, no let us test this a moment
[11:12] <jklappenbach> test...
[11:13] <ompaul> jklappenbach,  exit then 'sudo - user2'
[11:13] <manofsteel> hi all
[11:13] <manofsteel> newbie with a question
[11:13] <x_O> what is the best way to move files across an ssh connections? can someone tell me?
[11:13] <nerdy2> scp
[11:13] <manofsteel> what is root password or how do i set it
[11:14] <clem_yeats_away> hi
[11:14] <ompaul> manofsteel, there is none
[11:14] <thoreauputic> !root
[11:14] <ubotu> I guess root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:14] <ompaul> !tell manofsteel about sudo
[11:14] <Ng> x_O: scp :)
[11:14] <jklappenbach> sudo - user2?  you mean: sudo - shelly?  I get sudo: '-' requires an argument...
[11:14] <eliphas_> manofsteel, the sudo pssword is your own password you set when you installed ubuntu
[11:14] <ompaul> jklappenbach, yes
[11:14] <ompaul> jklappenbach, I did mean sudo - shelly with the spaces and all
[11:15] <manofsteel> cool thanks
[11:15] <eliphas_> :)
[11:15] <jklappenbach> gives me: sudo '-' requires an argument\n usage:...
[11:15] <BTJustice> With Synaptic, is it best to the a default upgrade or a smart upgrade?
[11:16] <ompaul> jklappenbach, id?
[11:16] <Hieronymus> BTJustice: smart upgrade
[11:16] <ompaul> jklappenbach, run 'id' please
[11:16] <jklappenbach> id of what?
[11:16] <jklappenbach> id
[11:16] <BTJustice> thanks
[11:16] <jklappenbach> sorry...
[11:16] <ompaul> jklappenbach, a command :)
[11:16] <x_O> Ng: thank you
[11:17] <jklappenbach> uid=1000(me) gid=1000(me) groups=4(adm),...
[11:17] <clem_yeats> what is the purpose of the id command ?
[11:17] <clem_yeats> oh ok
[11:18] <thoreauputic> ompaul: heheh - like "run which mozilla" user: what do you mean which mozilla? The one I installed of course! helper: no, I mean run which user: run ? which? wtf?
[11:18] <Nexinarus> wow it worked, great.. :D
[11:18] <clem_yeats> lol
[11:18] <ompaul> jklappenbach, ehh okay I thought you were root when I asked you to type exit lets take a step back 'sudo -i'  followed by 'sudo - shelly' in the same terminal
[11:19] <male_25> jakarta
[11:19] <ompaul> thoreauputic, and mozilla is on which base? how the hell would I know all your base are belong to us etc :)
[11:19] <jklappenbach> from root: sudo: '-' requires an argument
[11:19] <jklappenbach> I'm running the AMD64 bit version of hoary, if that makes a difference.
[11:20] <kemik> are you trying to achieve what "su - shelly" would do in debian ?
[11:20] <kemik> try "sudo -l shelly"
[11:20] <ompaul> kemik, it should work in ubuntu - dang its a long time since I used an l (must be at least 4 years)
[11:21] <kemik> well no it doesnt work with sudo
[11:21] <ompaul> jklappenbach, go with that 'l' as kemik suggests
[11:21] <kemik> just read the manpage
[11:21] <ompaul> su -l
[11:21] <ompaul> haha
[11:21] <kemik> workaround; sudo su -l shelly
[11:21] <thoreauputic> ompaul: it's like the Marx brothers :) "wire fence" "I dunno why a fence"  "no , near the viaduct" "why a duck? I dunno why a duck.. why a fence? " etc etc
[11:21] <ompaul> kemik, nice
[11:21] <kemik> or su -l shelly
[11:22] <tomaj> where is the autostart file in ubuntu?
[11:22] <kemik> erh, skip the "l"
[11:22] <kemik> jklappenbach:  sudo su - shelly
[11:22] <ompaul> jklappenbach, there is something broken in your hoary, I do not know if it is 64 bit related I know it works on my 32bit version
[11:22] <jklappenbach> kemik: from root?
[11:22] <eliphas_> sudo -l is permanent? or just for the session ?
[11:22] <kemik> jklappenbach:  nah
[11:22] <ompaul> jklappenbach, yes
[11:22] <kemik> with sudo prefixed it doenst matter ;)
[11:22] <ompaul> kemik, there is that
[11:23] <jklappenbach> from root: sudo su - shelly puts me into shelly's account.
[11:23] <ompaul> jklappenbach, just try pwd
[11:23] <clem_yeats> passwd
[11:23] <ompaul> jklappenbach, when there
[11:24] <jklappenbach> pwd returns /home/shelly
[11:24] <clem_yeats> oh yes... my mistake.. sorry :))
[11:24] <ompaul> jklappenbach, at least that is good :)
[11:24] <kemik> uh, i though that was what you wanted?
[11:24] <ompaul> clem_yeats, ;-)
[11:24] <Nexinarus> hey in Ubuntu there seems to be a generic beep using the pc speaker or something. is there a way to mute this or turn it down?
[11:24] <clem_yeats> god, I'm going back to sleep.
[11:24] <ompaul> kemik, yeap
[11:24] <kemik> okie :)
[11:24] <jklappenbach> passwd goes to change the password, but (current) password prompt doesn't recognize what I've assigned.
[11:24] <Nexinarus> when i compile, or when i push a wrong key, or with many programs - ubuntu just beeps really loud
[11:24] <clem_yeats> Nexinarus : yes, but I have to reboot right now.. sorry (I'm under windows here).
[11:25] <ompaul> jklappenbach, now please use passwd as the user shelly
[11:25] <ompaul> jklappenbach, 'id' should now return shelly
[11:25] <kemik> sudo passwd shelly, would have changed pwd from his normal user-account ;)
[11:25] <weiers> Hi... I ripped an audio CD into .OGG format. I don't have the CD anymore, but I would like to write the .OGG files back into an audio CD? What is the simplest tool to do that.
[11:25] <ompaul> kemik, I wanted to see if the home dir was there
[11:25] <kemik> aight
[11:26] <jklappenbach> did.  It asks for the current password, which I give, and it doesn't recognize it.
[11:26] <kemik> i should stop interfering ;) probably just confusing
[11:26] <kemik> weiers:  dependingon your location , that does not sound entirely legal
[11:26] <ompaul> jklappenbach, okay type exit once
[11:26] <jklappenbach> back in root.
[11:26] <kemik> weiers:  but i'd say Google is a good start
[11:26] <ompaul> jklappenbach, you should now see root
[11:27] <ompaul> :)
[11:27] <ompaul> jklappenbach, passwd shelly
[11:27] <jklappenbach> ok, I'm going to try this out.
[11:27] <ompaul> jklappenbach, you should get  passwd: password updated successfully
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Nexinarus: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_NoBeep
[11:28] <sheffer> help
[11:28] <jklappenbach> well, that worked.
[11:28] <ompaul> !tell sheffer about ask
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Nexinarus: should work in ubuntu too
[11:28] <jklappenbach> She can log in now.  That's fooked.
[11:28] <ompaul> jklappenbach, well hehehe
[11:29] <jklappenbach> That [Users and Groups]  won't do the job.
[11:29] <sheffer> ask printenv
[11:29] <jklappenbach> Guess I'll just have to stick to the man pages for adduser.
[11:29] <jklappenbach> Thanks for all your help!
[11:29] <Nexinarus> thanks thoreauputic
[11:29] <ompaul> jklappenbach, no, I would be suspicious of that, if you can find someone else with 64bit see if it is a bug
[11:30] <ompaul> jklappenbach, and if it is report same
[11:30] <kemik> :)
[11:30] <thoreauputic> Nexinarus: no worries :)
[11:30] <jklappenbach> I'll look into this more and will file a bug on AMD64.  I'm a dev, so I'm picky about these kinds of issues.
[11:30] <hussam> I need the libfox dev package 1.4.x , Ubuntu has a very old version 1.0.x , Any ideas?
[11:30] <jklappenbach> I feel like a guinea pig out in 64bit land, especially given my current state of proficiency, but its users like me that will give you guys the data you need.
[11:31] <snorks> I got 64bit but doubt I can help you, sir
[11:31] <ompaul> jklappenbach,  ahh this is fun then :) /dev/fun a udev device for redirecting urandom into the file system
[11:31] <ompaul> jklappenbach, I am writing operating procedures for the company I am now leaving this was a welcome break
[11:32] <ompaul> in fact it was fun
[11:32] <jklappenbach> Ah, I got most things on the build set the way I want them.  I got the 64 bit drivers for ATI up, the 64 bit drivers for my wifi going, all required some form of nontrivial tweeks.
[11:32] <clem_yeats> hi again
[11:32] <snorks> Is there a 64 bit xmms version?
[11:33] <snorks> clem_yeats: hi
[11:33] <clem_yeats> snorks : hi
[11:33] <mjr> snorks, of course
[11:33] <snorks> mjr: of course? I feel like such a loser
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[11:33] <snorks> mjr: Can I get it with apt-get?
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: all the open source software that is in i386 ubunut
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> is in amd64 ubunut
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: yes
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> !repositories
[11:34] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:34] <jklappenbach> Sucks that I have ATI since stuff like xcompmgr just wont work.  nVidia has great support for linux.  But then again, it's all worth it when I run 64 bit Unreal Tournament.
[11:34] <ompaul> snorks, add a user using system - administration - users and groups ,, be very very careful about the password you give it ,,  and try to log in on a terminal if broken do tell us
[11:34] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: I've added new repositories as described on ubuntuguide.org
[11:35] <jklappenbach> The only thing I miss, and perhaps the one last thing I have to ask about, is flash for 64 bit.
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: apt-get install xmms should do it then :)
[11:35] <rob^> snorks, ubuntuguide is bad, mmmkay
[11:35] <snorks> rob^: ok
[11:35] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: should i apt-get xmms-alsa ?
[11:35] <snorks> nm, that was gentoo
[11:36] <jklappenbach> Can I create a chroot to a 32 bit subsystem (installing i386) within the chroot, install the 32 bit version of firefox and flash, and run those from the outside?  Or do I need to be chrooted when I invoke the 32 bit stuff?
[11:36] <topyli> jklappenbach: there is no 64 bit flash
[11:36] <snorks> Ok, let's see if this works. Can I troubleshoot you if it doesn't, HrdwrBoB ?
[11:37] <topyli> jklappenbach: that's how people have been doing it
[11:37] <clem_yeats> grr... have to reboot again !!!
[11:37] <clem_yeats> hmm :(
[11:37] <jklappenbach> so I need to be chrooted to run the stuff?  Or is it enough to just be chrooted when I install?
[11:37] <jklappenbach> The former would be teh suck.
[11:37] <topyli> jklappenbach: that is, the apps run in the chroot jail and you can run your 64 bit system
[11:38] <jklappenbach> Ah, so I need to chroot, then execute, then perhaps exit out?
[11:39] <topyli> jklappenbach: you make wrappers scritps to launch 32 bit versions of the apps, you don't have to worry about more than that
[11:39] <jklappenbach> Ah, the script performs the chroot and execute.  All starting to make sense now.
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: yeah
[11:39] <topyli> jklappenbach: i don't actually have a 64 bit system so you better ask some other for more :)
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> I have 64bit hardware, I run 32bit ubuntu
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> less stuffing around :)
[11:40] <topyli> is it worth it then?
[11:40] <jklappenbach> One more:  When I'm putting together my sources.list for the chroot "partition", my current sources.list declares my install CD as the source for all the real essential stuff.  What should I use in place of that?  Or should I burn a 32 bit CD for that?
[11:41] <jklappenbach> topyli:  From what I've seen: yes.
[11:41] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: It didn't work with alsa as output, but what's the pros and cons of using esd daemon? I've noticed it's slower
[11:41] <thoreauputic> jklappenbach: can't you just comment the line out in your sources.list ?
[11:41] <topyli> jklappenbach: i mean running 32 bit on a 64 bit system like HrdwrBoB
[11:41] <thoreauputic> jklappenbach: I mean the CD-ROM line
[11:42] <jklappenbach> thor:  I tried that, but the package install image is missing hella stuff.
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: esd is in my opinion a worthless pile of garbage and should be taken out and shot.
[11:42] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: word
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> the catch is, if you kill esd you will only be able to play one thing at a time
[11:42] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: But it was the only output plugin that worked with XMMS here
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> unless you have a sb live or similar card
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: run 'killall esd'
[11:43] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: Perhaps I need to apt-get the alsa output plugin?
[11:43] <jklappenbach> topyli:  I switched to a 64 bit linux precisely because my ferrari 3200 was being underutilized by coughcoughWINDOWScoughcough.
[11:43] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: worked, k thx
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: esd is using your soundcard so xmms can't access it using alsa
[11:43] <topyli> hehe
[11:44] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: The problem is it will autostart. How do I remove it? Where is the autostart btw?
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> !esd
[11:44] <ubotu> esd is, like, totally, Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[11:44] <jklappenbach> It's not nearly a doubling, but it's very noticeable.
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> hrm
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> it's in the options somewhere.. I can't remember precisely
[11:44] <fluffybunny_> uhm... sometimes when I try to unrar an archive, it all fails - anyone have a clue? permissions and ownership is correct... dunno what else the problem could be?
[11:44] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: which options?
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: gnome options
[11:44] <topyli> xmms should be aware of esound
[11:44] <jklappenbach> Well, y'all have other people to help.  I can dig up the sources.list image for remote 32bit elsewhere on the net.
[11:45] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: "Enable sound server startup"?
[11:45] <jklappenbach> THANK YOU!
[11:45] <bob2> snorks: yes
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> system->prefs->sound
[11:45] <topyli> jklappenbach: there's stuff on the forums about all that
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> I just found it
[11:45] <bob2> jklappenbach: switching from amd64 to i386 is a reinstall job, more or less
[11:45] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: bob2: ok thanks both of you
[11:45] <jklappenbach> I just want the sources.list image for i386 for chroot.
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> no worries
[11:46] <snorks> jklappenbach: I'm running amd64 and it's awesome. Got 3d rendering with ATI (was a matter of 3 commands and a reboot), and everything else works
[11:46] <jklappenbach> but like topyli said, it's on the net.
[11:46] <bob2> jklappenbach: it will be the same as the one outside; apt determines the architecture itself
[11:46] <CarinArr> i couldn't get some apps running under 64 bit
[11:46] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: I don't use rar, but I've heard some people have more success with unrar-nonfree
[11:47] <CarinArr> so i've reverted to 32 bit for a while
[11:47] <snorks> CarinArr: which apps?
[11:47] <CarinArr> maya was the main one
[11:47] <jklappenbach> CarinArr:  even under a chroot?
[11:47] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: i have been using unrar... i said unrar -x filename, which works sometimes
[11:47] <CarinArr> jklappenbach, i didn't attempt to use chroot, i didn't find it worth faffing about at that point
[11:48] <Ng> jklappenbach: a chroot will make pretty much antyhing work, but it's a pita to be honest
[11:48] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: as I said, try unrar-nonfree (in the multiverse repository)
[11:48] <snorks> How do I start programming in perl/python? Don't I need some kind of program to write my programs in? Is there gui versions of said apps? Where can I read about this?
[11:48] <Ng> jklappenbach: I just moved both my amd64 boxes back to 32bit hoary ;)
[11:48] <jklappenbach> Given the way chroot works, Maya would probably run under a chroot cel.
[11:48] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: thanks
[11:48] <bob2> snorks: you just use a text editor
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: they are just text
[11:49] <Ng> snorks: there's a nice python development environment called Eric, but you should be able to find lots more information on python.org :)
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> I am using gvim right now
[11:49] <bob2> snorks: www.python.org/doc/ links to the tutorial
[11:49] <snorks> bob2: Thanks alot
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> to fix this STUPID DAMN perl script
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> python tutorials++
[11:49] <CarinArr> jklappenbach, there wouldn't be much point though
[11:49] <bob2> python is amazingly pleasant
[11:49] <jklappenbach> One more question for the lot of you:  C++ IDE for linux.
[11:49] <snorks> bob2: "Beginner's Guide to Python" perhaps? ;)
[11:49] <Ng> jklappenbach: have a look at Anjuta
[11:49] <CarinArr> running a 64 bit os when the main programs you're using still only support 32 bit isn't much point
[11:50] <bob2> snorks: if you have some programming experience, "dive into python" (google) is quite good
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> jklappenbach: gvim.
[11:50] <CarinArr> especially not when you have to fudge it
[11:50] <snorks> bob2: Does a python interpreter come default with an ubuntu install?
[11:50] <bob2> jklappenbach: emacs and vim are quite lovely
[11:50] <bob2> snorks: yes, and a perl one
[11:50] <james> Question: how do I do a disk cleanup, and delete my cookies and stuff?
[11:50] <snorks> bob2: oki
[11:50] <snorks> bob2: I have no programming skills
[11:51] <CarinArr> vim and emacs aren't really ides though
[11:51] <jklappenbach> Anjuta.  Will do.  I'm using netbeans and eclipse for my java stuff (that's what I've been doing the last few years at BEA, etc), and I've been wanting a C++ environment that's on par.
[11:51] <bob2> CarinArr: well...what are they missing?
[11:51] <CarinArr> I would recommend kdevelop over anjuta any day
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> CarinArr: they interact with compilers and skip to errors etc
[11:51] <topyli> CarinArr: i don't think there's much more 32-bit restricted programs besides browser plugins (for a normal desktop)
[11:51] <snorks> bob2: What's most fun btw? perl or python? Which of them is easiest to attach a GUI to if I wanted to?
[11:51] <jklappenbach> kdevelop dependent on KDE?
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> IDEs are for people who can't code
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: python by far
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> (for gui work)
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> perl is more centered around scripts that 'do stuff'
[11:52] <topyli> jklappenbach: no, you can write gtk code with it
[11:52] <james> Hello
[11:52] <bob2> snorks: both are pretty easy
[11:52] <jklappenbach> HrdwrBoB:  BS.
[11:52] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: But a lot of jobs here where I live likes if I have perl experience.
[11:52] <bob2> snorks: I'd think python would be easier to pick up if you have no experienc
[11:52] <CarinArr> IDE's are good for overview, when your projects are growing in size
[11:52] <CarinArr> for small stuff I use vim without fail
[11:52] <jklappenbach> There are some features on both Eclipse and Netbeans that save me minutes each time I use them.
[11:52] <larsrohdin> Hi, I thought i sholud be smart and ask first: Is it even possible to have two displays and tv-out at the same time?
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: no
[11:52] <jklappenbach> Like at BEA, the source tree was tens of thousands of files.
[11:52] <jordi00> hello
[11:52] <larsrohdin> HrdwrBoB, ok thanks, that spared me alot of pain=)
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> np
[11:52] <CarinArr> topyli, maya is one;)
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> jklappenbach: I was a little harsh. I just see a lot of people mistakenly thinking using a gui program will cover up their inability to code:(
[11:53] <larsrohdin> but how is the easiest way if i want to be able to switch between two display and one display and tvout?
[11:53] <topyli> CarinArr: never heard of it. normal desktop = my desktop :-)
[11:53] <jklappenbach> HrdwrBoB:;)
[11:53] <bob2> larsrohdin: that sounds highly hardware-dependant
[11:53] <CarinArr> topyli, it's a 3d graphics application
[11:53] <topyli> ah
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: I think you have to restart X :(
[11:53] <CarinArr> hrdwrbob, using an ide doesn't necessarily mean you can't code though
[11:54] <topyli> CarinArr: then of course there are games
[11:54] <larsrohdin> bob2, oh i have an nvidia 6800gt... i can do it in windows...
[11:54] <jklappenbach> Anyhow:  Cheers, all.
[11:54] <tsaar> hi
[11:54] <larsrohdin> HrdwrBoB, so i have to edit xorg.conf and then restart?
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> CarinArr: not necessarily no
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: yeha
[11:54] <larsrohdin> HrdwrBoB, lame!
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: keep a copy of both configs on hand and you could switch quickly
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> but yes, it sucks
[11:54] <larsrohdin> but its enough with restarting x right? thats rather quick
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[11:55] <jtan325> ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:55] <larsrohdin> ok, i can live with that, thanks
[11:55] <jtan325> couldn't be quicker
[11:56] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: using a gui does cover up my lack of html skills :)
[11:56] <ompaul> killall nautilus
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> topyli: casein point :)
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> ompaul: wrong window?
[11:56] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: from me anyway it does :)
[11:56] <ompaul> HrdwrBoB, you know it :)
[11:57] <tomaj> bob2: you back?
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> I love working on a system that has 10 steps, all of which are held together with fraying bits of string
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: sup, whatdo you need help with
[11:57] <Madpilot> Need sleep - good night/morning/$time_of_day, everyone
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> night Madpilot
[11:58] <tomaj> i cant get azureus running from tty1
[11:58] <thoreauputic> can someone type my nick? Just testing my beeps ;)
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> you want azureus with no X ?
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic:
[11:58] <hussam> I need help compiling a library. I need libfox 1.4 dev . I got fox-1.4 fox-toolkit.org and I'm compiling it. But won't this give me just the library? How do I get the dev (headers) ?
[11:58] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: thanks
[11:58] <tsaar> testing ubuntu, before i was trying to use suse, but it's better and easyer to use
[11:58] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: no i try DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/azureus but i get an error; i want to get it running through cron
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: why do you want it in cron?
[11:59] <topyli> tomaj: you are fighting a losing fight
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> let's work backwards here :)
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: if you want to start/stop it based on time
[11:59] <ThePyromaniac> anyone know how i can gain root privilages to edit a config file? im sure its REALLY simple, but i have been trying for hours
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> there's an azureus plugin
[11:59] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: yeah exactly
[11:59] <topyli> there is? oh
[11:59] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: sudo $EDITOR filename
[11:59] <tomaj> but computer will start by itself at 2am and then i want azureus to start 5 mins later
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: heh yes
[11:59] <ThePyromaniac> thanks, will try
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: can't you just leave it on?
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: like normal people? :)
[12:00] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: i cant fall asleep, its to loud
[12:00] <topyli> heh
[12:00] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: so im trying to get it to start when im already sleeping
[12:00] <thoreauputic> ThePyromaniac: where $EDITOR is your favoured editor of course...
[12:00] <topyli> i can't sleep if there's no computers
[12:00] <tomaj> 2am is when the free downloads start ;)
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[12:00] <thoreauputic> !start an editor war
[12:00] <ubotu> nano is better than xemacs
[12:00] <tomaj> topyli: lollercycle
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> I have a better suggestion
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> setup gdm to autologin
[12:01] <topyli> oh yes!
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> and set azureus to start on load
[12:01] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: i've already done that but i dont want azureus to start every time i start computer
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: you can't have your cake and eat it too
[12:01] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: it slows boot by heaps
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: turn your computer on/off less
[12:02] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: its possible so why not? plus if i cant get it started like other people something must be wrong with system in general
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> ok you could try starting it like this
[12:02] <topyli> tomaj: like i said, it's an X program and a java program at that. you must start X
[12:02] <tomaj> topyli x is started in tty7
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> ok you could try starting it like thisA
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> arhg
[12:03] <tomaj> i just want to get it started in x through tty1
[12:03] <topyli> tomaj: it's always started on a tty :)
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> DISPLAY=:0 su username -c /path/to/azureus  &> /dev/null
[12:03] <tomaj> topyli: gnome starts auto for me per default
[12:03] <topyli> tomaj: make another user and make it the azureus user so it won't bother you
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> or in your cron without su
[12:03] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: even if im logged in with tomaj?
[12:04] <snorks> Is there any text editors that are Python ready after a ubuntu install?
[12:04] <Seveas> vim
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> snorks: I would suggest vim
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> gvim foo.py
[12:04] <topyli> tomaj: but then you have two X's running
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> it will automatically give you syntax highlighting
[12:04] <Seveas> gvim is not installed by default :)
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> oh yeah it isn't :(
[12:04] <jordi00> hello
[12:04] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: gvim = vim-gnome - Vi IMproved - GNOME2 Version
[12:05] <snorks> HrdwrBoB: ?
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> that's correct
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> nano is a retarded editor
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> but no-one cares enough
[12:05] <CarinArr> nano is like notepad in windows
[12:05] <buti> are there mysql 4.1 packages for hoary?
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> CarinArr: nah nano has too many prompts etc
[12:05] <topyli> CarinArr: except we actually have a useful console :)
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> in notepad I can ctrl-s ctrl-q
[12:06] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: what did i do exactly?
[12:06] <Seveas> buti, yes
[12:06] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: in nano you can ctrl-x
[12:06] <gorilla_> CarinArr, gedit is closer to notpad than nano
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> topyli: the it promptsme for the damn filename
[12:06] <CarinArr> i was rather comparing the level of usefulness
[12:06] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: yes, then press enter
[12:06] <Seveas> mysql-server-4.1 - mysql database server binaries
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> anyway it's irrelevant, people who care can use their own editor
[12:06] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: well, have you ever tried to talk a newbie through editing a file in vim on IRC? I'm relieved nano is there, frankly...
[12:06] <Seveas> (etc...)(
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: oh no I'm not saying vim is better
[12:07] <buti> Seveas: cool, no special sources to add, then
[12:07] <Seveas> noep
[12:07] <Seveas> nope*
[12:07] <buti> ;-) thanks
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> I'm saying nano isn't optimal, but it's not a problem that needs solving
[12:07] <CarinArr> thoreauputic, you have a point there;)
[12:07] <bob2> if you're going to migrate to a new mysql, you might as well migrate to postgresql

[12:07] <thoreauputic> !ed
[12:07] <ubotu> ed is the standard editor! ed, man! man ed!
[12:07] <topyli> thoreauputic: i always do, but nano might be easier to explain, yes
[12:07] <Seveas> bob2, :)
[12:07] <thoreauputic> topyli: I guess I'm lazy ;)
[12:07] <Seveas> step 1: migrate to postgres
[12:07] <Seveas> step 2: profit
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[12:08] <tsaar> are there any good web creating tools like macromedia dreamweaver or fireworks
[12:08] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: what did i do with the &> /dev/null ?
[12:08] <buti> bob2: that's very theoretical, though...
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> tsaar: yes, gvim
[12:08] <clem_yeats> tsaar: NVU
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: ?
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: that makes the output go away
[12:08] <clem_yeats> tsaar: and the Gimp
[12:08] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: lol being run around then
[12:08] <ompaul> thoreauputic, vi on irc I have done - long and slowwwwwww
[12:09] <clem_yeats> oh hi by the way everybody.
[12:09] <thoreauputic> ompaul: indeed
[12:09] <tsaar> tnx
[12:09] <clem_yeats> de nada :)
[12:09] <tsaar> checking right now
[12:09] <clem_yeats> tsaar: both work under Linux/Windows.
[12:10] <guillem> php has stopped working.... At some apache upgrade it asked it to remove php... I removed and reinstalled afterwards. What do I have to do now? I have added the symlincs at /etc/apache2/mods-available but it does not work after restarting apache
[12:10] <topyli> ed, man! man ed! has a nice example of a newbie ed session: http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html
[12:10] <bob2> guillem: you installed libapache2-mod-php4?
[12:10] <guillem> bob2, sure
[12:10] <jordi00> como instalar pluggin flash player para mozilla?
[12:10] <guillem> bob2, I am in AMD64. And it worked some time ago.
[12:11] <topyli> "Ed is generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm the novice with verbosity"
[12:11] <tomaj> bob2 are you able to help me now?
[12:11] <guillem> bob2, btw I'm reinstalling that package
[12:11] <bob2> tomaj: no
[12:11] <tsaar> i don't know why macromedia doesn't do them for linux distr
[12:11] <bob2> I have no idea what it could be
[12:11] <tomaj> bob2: ok you made it out as if you had found a solution for me, thanx for your help before then
[12:12] <bob2> I did?
[12:12] <thoreauputic> topyli: there's actually an error in that joke: ctrl-d exits (no subsequent ?) ;-)
[12:12] <tomaj> you complained that i kept going offline every 10 seconds which i thought meant you had something you could help me with
[12:13] <topyli> thoreauputic: does it exit ed? it's the bash exit key but i wouldn't be so sure about ed :)
[12:13] <guillem> bob2,  it is not apache, it is Firefox! konqueror does it right... hmmmm
[12:13] <thoreauputic> topyli: it does - try it
[12:13] <thoreauputic> topyli: ed is installed by dafault (of course) ;)
[12:13] <topyli> it does!
[12:13] <thoreauputic> *default
[12:14] <thoreauputic> yup
[12:14] <clem_yeats> topyli : CTRL+D is usually assigned to the EOF signal (End of file)
[12:14] <topyli> clem_yeats: yes, but i wasn't so sure if ed respects it :)
[12:14] <te[a] bag> hey guys, i have a problem, anyone willing to help?
[12:14] <guillem> bob2, it is something related to my user config of firefox, since it works for other users... sorry for the confusion
[12:14] <clem_yeats> topyli : I don't have a clue..
[12:14] <thoreauputic> topyli: one of the few things ed *does*respect ;-)
[12:14] <topyli> heh
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> yeah, ed insulted my grandmother
[12:15] <clem_yeats> topyli : Do you mean Ed is not a respectful editor ?
[12:15] <topyli> hell no!
[12:15] <topyli> it's the Standard
[12:16] <clem_yeats> I personaly think nowadays Eds are not what they were anymore.. respect was lost in many ways.
[12:16] <thoreauputic> clem_yeats: on the contrary - ed is very respectful: it expects you to remeber everything and thus shows you almost nothing ;-)
[12:16] <te[a] bag> err guys...... could someone please help me?
[12:16] <ompaul> Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all. <--- now we see the truth what you get is what you get
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> te[a] bag: yo, shoot
[12:16] <thoreauputic> !ask
[12:17] <topyli> thoreauputic: unix programs are not supposed to give any feedback unless _they_ fail :)
[12:17] <te[a] bag> HrdwrBoB: thanks, problem = http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1509
[12:17] <topyli> ompaul: hehe
[12:17] <thoreauputic> topyli: right - silence is golden!
[12:17] <clem_yeats> topyli : even 0 ?
[12:17] <HrdwrBoB> te[a] bag: do you have synaptic open?
[12:17] <barongas> I'm trying to get my sound working in gaming enviroments. My ensoniq pci128 does the trick for ubuntu-sounds and playing music but when I open a game, for example majesty or tuxracer, it gives no sound.
[12:18] <topyli> clem_yeats: i like the wysiwym paradigm of lyx: what you see is what you _mean_
[12:18] <thoreauputic> clem_yeats: if it returns to a prompt, it succeeded...
[12:18] <HrdwrBoB> barongas: killall esd <- run that before playing the game
[12:18] <te[a] bag> HrdwrBoB: not overly sure, new to nix, how can i find out?
[12:18] <clem_yeats> in some ways I'm glad grep, cat, more give me some noise, even whan they don't fail :)
[12:18] <HrdwrBoB> te[a] bag: synaptic is the graphical package maneger
[12:18] <HrdwrBoB> manager
[12:18] <clem_yeats> topyli : that's really good :))
[12:18] <funkyHat> clem_yeats, that's because that's their purpose :P
[12:18] <topyli> clem_yeats: there's always -v if you want noise
[12:18] <barongas> HrdwrBoB: Do I need esd for anything else or can I add killall esd to my .bash with no probs?
[12:19] <te[a] bag> HrdwrBoB: ahh no, im doing everything via ssh from my windows box
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> barongas: your desktop sounds etc use it
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> te[a] bag: ok, run ps aux|less
[12:19] <ompaul> topyli, that feedback comment could get being asked the question, what was your username again, if you said it in #debian for instance :)
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> that will give you a list of running processes
[12:19] <funkyHat> barongas, you odn't need to add killall to your .bash, esd is only started if something uses it
[12:19] <topyli> hah
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> basically you've run apt-get and not closedit
[12:19] <ompaul> ohh dear, that could be very funny, it is if your me
[12:19] <barongas> funkyHat: Ahh sweet.
[12:19] <barongas> Thanks all
[12:20] <te[a] bag> HrdwrBoB: done
[12:20] <clickedy> click
[12:20] <funkyHat> barongas, if you don't want it to start up, you need to change the settings in 'multimeda system selection'
[12:20] <funkyHat> barongas, or disable system sound startup in preferences > sounds (the other one is in preferences too)
[12:20] <topyli> lol
[12:20] <te[a] bag> HrdwrBoB: apt-get update was in teh list
[12:20] <clem_yeats> click is right
[12:20] <clem_yeats> :)
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> te[a] bag: ok, now hit 'q'
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> te[a] bag: check your other windows for apt-get
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> if you don't know where it is
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> you can kill it with 'sudo killall apt-get'
[12:21] <te[a] bag> HrdwrBoB: ok, killing
[12:22] <te[a] bag> HrdwrBoB: ok, killed
[12:22] <te[a] bag> lol
[12:22] <funkyHat> heh
[12:22] <topyli> ompaul: you bofh
[12:22] <ompaul> here is the news 'mass murder of processes took place today when a user rebooted, police are looking for a person with low uptime'
[12:22] <snorks> hehe, I don't understand much of this python stuff.
[12:23] <snorks> is there a newbie newbie tutorial that explains programming in general and then explains python to a 3 year old?
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB>  ompaul you know the scary thing?
[12:23] <ompaul> snorks, not three year old?
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> reading bofh made me become a sysadmin
[12:23] <topyli> snorks: no, no such thing :)
[12:24] <ompaul> HrdwrBoB, V0.99 its tuesday its backup day?
[12:24] <tomaj> what's an mit-magic-cookie key?
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: it means denied
[12:24] <clem_yeats> snorks : for whom ?
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> ompaul: ahahah backups
[12:24] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: how do you mean?
[12:25] <topyli> i have backups! how else would i dare hang around here?
[12:25] <ompaul> snorks, not for a 3  year old http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide but it should help
[12:25] <ompaul> HrdwrBoB, if you use the null device
[12:25] <tomaj> what's the advantage of python?
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> ompaul: haha no, I took our backup server offline permanently, it was crap
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> tomaj: it has nice documentation :)
[12:26] <clem_yeats> tomaj : it doesn't "bite" !
[12:26] <tomaj> HrdwrBoB: man what?
[12:26] <tomaj> clem_yeats: wtf? lol
[12:26] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: cat /dev/zero > /dev/null ; done
[12:26] <snorks> ompaul: lol im reading that one :P
[12:27] <ompaul> no no no put null in to the tape
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[12:27] <snorks> ompaul: I need something as easy as if i write in bash wherever i am "hello?" something will print "hello!"
[12:27] <topyli> yes
[12:27] <ompaul> tomaj, the docs I pointed snorks at
[12:28] <topyli> snorks: echo "hello!"
[12:28] <snorks> topyli: echo?
[12:28] <ompaul> snorks, thats not python
[12:28] <tomaj> ompaul: k thanx :)
[12:28] <rob^> does it matter?
[12:28] <rob^> it works doesn't it and you understand it
[12:28] <topyli> no, as long as the job does done :)
[12:28] <ompaul> rob^, he did ask for python so maybe
[12:28] <topyli> gets done
[12:28] <kernic> somebody knows about ltsp?
[12:29] <rob^> why use python for something as simple as that? its overkill
[12:29] <snorks> rob^: that's not the issue
[12:29] <snorks> rob^: the thing is i need to start simple.
[12:29] <snorks> rob^: if i managed to get my computer to pring an answer on a question, that would rock
[12:29] <rob^> snorks, search google for "python tutorial"
[12:29] <snorks> rob^: I'm already reading the ptyhon tut for nonprogrammers and I understand nada
[12:30] <rob^> snorks, a better place to ask would be #python
[12:30] <snorks> rob^: true
[12:30] <ompaul> snorks, hold on a sec
[12:30] <rob^> snorks, why don't you start with something simpiler, such as shell scripting
[12:30] <topyli> snorks: http://siltala.net/comp/lookup-sh is a script that will find most local documentation
[12:30] <ompaul> is that the tutorial I pointed you at?
[12:30] <tomaj> thanx for your help HrdwrBoB
[12:30] <snorks> A set of Python lessons used during 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002 children's summer camps in Britain by Richard Crook, Gareth McCaughan, Mark White, and Rhodri James. Aimed at children 12-15 years old.
[12:30] <kernic> I'm traiyng to make a ltsp-server with ubuntu 5.10...
[12:30] <tomaj> night guys
[12:31] <te[a] bag> HrdwrBoB: many thanks, your help has led me to solving a bitch of a problem and now my apt-get works :)
[12:31] <rob^> kernic, edubuntu might be right up your alley
[12:31] <HrdwrBoB> te[a] bag: excellent :)
[12:31] <snorks> ompaul: here's what I need:P A set of Python lessons used during 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002 children's summer camps in Britain by Richard Crook, Gareth McCaughan, Mark White, and Rhodri James. Aimed at children 12-15 years old.
[12:31] <topyli> heh
[12:33] <Digis> I get this message then I try to compile amule in breezy: "C++ compiler cannot create executables"
[12:33] <Digis> can somebody help me?
[12:33] <thoreauputic> Digis: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[12:34] <Digis> thoreauputic, thank you, it helped
[12:34] <ompaul> Digis, you can also 'sudo apt-get install amule'
[12:34] <thoreauputic> Digis: :)
[12:34] <JaneW> hi guys my web link is not working properly atm, can anyone give me the mailinglist address for general ubuntu support please?
[12:35] <thoreauputic> ompaul: but..but.. that would be too easy! *g*
[12:35] <Digis> ompaul, I want amule with gtk2 support, but in breezy amule is only with gtk1 support :(
[12:35] <Digis> I really hate that
[12:35] <guillem> How do i place grub at the mbr?
[12:35] <ompaul> Digis, I can see how you might
[12:36] <ompaul> thoreauputic, so it seems
[12:36] <Digis> guillem, sudo update-grub
[12:36] <thoreauputic> ompaul: I just made a factoid for build-essential ( key: !build )
[12:37] <thoreauputic> !build
[12:37] <ubotu> rumour has it, build is sudo apt-get install build-essential, or use the synaptic package manager to install the build-essential package: see !synaptic
[12:37] <guillem> Digis, thank you very much
[12:38] <dimmik> hi all, is  there a way that I can tell which ubuntu version I am currently running?
[12:38] <fluffybunny_> i'm having issues with mplayer - i think maybe my video drivers are not installed properly (complete thumbsuck, there) - i can play video files, but I can't resize them --> pressing F maximises the screen, but the image is still the original size
[12:39] <Hieronymus> dimmik: system -> about ubuntu
[12:39] <funkyHat> for some reason jackd isn't working. could it be because i have alsa 1.0.9b, and an outdated version of jack?
[12:39] <ompaul> !tell me about build
[12:39] <funkyHat> *well, outdated as in the hoary version ;)
[12:39] <dimmik> Thanks Hieronymus :)
[12:39] <ompaul> thoreauputic, doh I did not see you asking yourself
[12:40] <thoreauputic> ompaul: I made a minor edit
[12:40] <thoreauputic> !tell me about build
[12:41] <dimmik> Hieronymus: There is only "about gnome" in the system menu.
[12:41] <mjr> so, what's the recommended FM for learning how to set up and maintain an APT repository?
[12:42] <Digis> fluffybunny_, try to change mplayer video driver to xv, or smth else
[12:43] <Hieronymus> dimmik: and if you click the 'help' icon?
[12:43] <topyli> fluffybunny_: or the x11 driver
[12:43] <Gorgonzola> is it possible to remove the nvidia splash screen when using nvidia video card drivers?
[12:44] <morbidi> Gorgonzola: are you talking about the logo of nvidia
[12:44] <Ng>         Option          "NoLogo"                "true"
[12:44] <morbidi> that apears when you start X ?
[12:44] <morbidi> ya
[12:44] <Ng> put that in the device section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf for the nvidia card
[12:44] <Gorgonzola> morbidi, yep
[12:45] <Gorgonzola> it shows a white screen with nvidia logo for a few seconds... then the ubuntu login screen appears
[12:45] <fluffybunny_> Digis and topyli: thanks - that fixed it :D
[12:45] <Gorgonzola> Ng, what "Option" are you talking about?
[12:45] <alexgratonor> what
[12:46] <Ng> Gorgonzola: the line starting "Option" needs to go in your xorg.conf file in the nvidia card's device section
[12:46] <Gorgonzola> ah, thank you
[12:46] <alexgratonor> why
[12:47] <thoreauputic> alexgratonor: who? where?
[12:47] <topyli> ahh. my university is finally offering sane remote services for us, almost like a modern institution
[12:47] <alexgratonor> i'm a robot
[12:48] <dimmik> Hieronymus: Help gives me the help topics via Yelp 2.9.3
[12:49] <dimmik> Isn't there something like /etc/redhat-release in ubuntu?
[12:49] <ompaul> thoreauputic, hmmm a bot in a channel that is not the channel bot or channel logger hmm I wonder what function it performs
[12:50] <Seveas> dimmik, /etc/lsb-release
[12:50] <topyli> dimmik: /etc/lsb-release is supposed to be universal these days
[12:50] <thoreauputic> dimmik: /etc/lsb_release I think
[12:50] <Seveas> /etc/issue
[12:50] <Seveas> /etc/debian-version
[12:50] <dimmik> thanks guys
[12:52] <bob2> hm, I have no /etc/lsb*
[12:52] <bob2> tho this machine is from warty
[12:53] <mgomersall> Hi, I've been having some trouble under Ubuntu Linux with my ATI Radeon 9600 xt.
[12:53] <mgomersall> When using any 3d acceleration, the screen freezes.
[12:53] <mgomersall> An example of this is:
[12:53] <mgomersall> I ran glxgears, it was working fine until I moved the mouse, the gears got a little bit jerky.
[12:53] <mgomersall> I moved the mouse a little faster and the screen froze, there was nothing I could do - I pressed reset.
[12:53] <mgomersall> Another example:
[12:53] <mgomersall> I run Neverwinter Nights and see the 'enter cd-key' screen, I move the mouse and the screen goes black, after a few seconds the monitor goes into standby mode. I attempt to turn the monitor back on and I am receiving no signal from my computer.
[12:53] <mgomersall> Any help would be much appreciated.
[12:53] <Seveas> NEVER paste in here
[12:54] <Grat> uuuuu
[12:54] <Grat> angry ops :>
[12:54] <dimmik> I am running 5.0.4, this is the latest stable. Is there something like "testing" for ubuntu?
[12:54] <mjr> dimmik, no
[12:54] <clem_yeats> grat : did you just paste these last 4 "u" ?
[12:54] <clem_yeats> dimmik : next release in October
[12:54] <user1> dimmik: try colony 3
[12:54] <topyli> heh
[12:54] <morbidi> dimmik: developement
[12:55] <clem_yeats> dimmik : you can follow developement and distrib releases on distrowatch.com
[12:55] <gomersallm> Hello?
[12:55] <dimmik> morbidi: is there a repository ?
[12:55] <topyli> dimmik: ubuntu unstable is more like debian experimental. don't run it on production boxen
[12:55] <gomersallm> Seveas, I apologise but I only jsut joined the channel and didn't read the motd
[12:55] <gomersallm> Anbd for a start, I prepared a question properly in hopes of getting a solution.
[12:56] <dimmik> topyli: it's just my production laptop :)
[12:56] <thoreauputic> gomersallm: that's good - but use a pastebin :)
[12:56] <bob2> putting it all in one line would be a lot simpler
[12:56] <topyli> heh
[12:57] <snorks> I htink it;s better if I start with script programming.
[12:57] <topyli> dimmik: i think it's getting ready for the Sep 7h release of gnome 2.12. that's when i'm upgrading :)
[12:57] <clem_yeats> gomersallm: I have the same graphic card. the first thing I do after I install a linux distro is to comment out "load dri" and "load glx" in the X conf file.
[12:57] <topyli> 7th even
[12:58] <dimmik> topyli: thanks
[12:59] <gomersallm> clem_yeats: Will that help then?
[12:59] <clem_yeats> gomersallm: well, yes. It won't freeze anymore
[12:59] <gomersallm> clem_yeats: Ah, excellent, thank you very much!
[12:59] <clem_yeats> gomersallm: but it will deactivate acceleration... your games will be slow
[12:59] <gomersallm> ah
[12:59] <clem_yeats> gomersallm: I bought a playstation 2.. so I don't really care :)
[01:00] <gomersallm> Hmm
[01:00] <gomersallm> clem_yeats: Well that'd be no good.
[01:00] <clem_yeats> gomersallm: the last time I checked this was the only solution. But it's been a while since. Maybe somebody has come up with a nice ATI driver...
[01:01] <topyli> my radeon 9200 sucks at work on a linux box
[01:02] <topyli> buying game consoles is a better option :)
[01:02] <clem_yeats> gomersallm: ask saelynh (he's French, but he might speak English). He's got the same card and apparently he doesn't get the freeze problem.
[01:02] <locomorto> topyli: dfo you have the 8.14.13 drivers?
[01:03] <locomorto> they give me 33% better peformance over the ones that are in the ubuntu repos
[01:03] <locomorto> you need to install the ones in the repos first
[01:03] <Hmmm> anyone tried the NP plugin for amsn?
[01:03] <Grat> topyli: PS2 rules because of FFX :>
[01:03] <locomorto> then delete every occurance of fglrx.ko
[01:03] <Grat> and GT3&4
[01:03] <topyli> locomorto: dunno, i just use the ones that come with the system. that's why i have matrox cards at home :)
[01:03] <locomorto> ensure you have kenerl source and headers
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> Grat: and getting GTA first
[01:03] <topyli> not much of a gamer
[01:03] <locomorto> then compile
[01:03] <locomorto> and it pwns
[01:04] <topyli> locomorto: i'll check it out when i get bored at work :)
[01:04] <gomersallm> locomorto: Know anything about the ati radeon 9600xt?
[01:05] <gomersallm> locomorto: Know anything about the ati radeon 9600xt?
[01:05] <locomorto> Well I have a Mobility Radeon 9600 and it is well supported by the 8.14.13 drivers
[01:05] <locomorto> its the newer generation that has the shitty performance
[01:05] <gomersallm> Hmm
[01:06] <gomersallm> I would do the simple thing of buying an nVidia card, but I haven't the cash nor the patience...