[01:11] <toocool>   I need some help compiling and packaging a custom kernel flavour for an i386 target ona amd64 host
[01:14] <toocool> i have 3.2.0 source via git for precise 12.04, but debian/rules is not aware of i386 binary target
[01:19] <toocool> i was able to compile and package a custom flavour kernel based on generic on the i386 machine but can not duplicate it on my amd64 laptop
[01:25] <toocool> is there something simple i'm missing- to target a 32bit target on a 64bit system? i was hoping to do so would be quicker
[01:33] <BenC> toocool: make a 32-bit chroot environment with deboostrap
[01:34] <BenC> There's another way using dpkg-cross or something, but I'm not familiar with that route
[01:34] <toocool> thank you, i'll start reading
[08:01] <ppisati> moin
[08:03] <smb> morning
[08:14] <apw> moin
[08:47] <brendand> cking, what to do about this one? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1053912/
[08:48] <cking> I believe fwts also generates some advice with this, which points me to the specification - do you keep that info, if not  I will look it up by hand
[08:50] <cking> brendand, I'll look it up in section 7.21 of the spec, bear with me
[08:51] <brendand> cking, we have the full log. i can pastebinit to you
[08:51] <brendand> cking, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1053916/
[08:52] <brendand> yes, i should have done that in the first place ;)
[08:52] <cking> no worries
[08:56] <cking> brendand, so I doubt it will screw anything up, but it is definitely not matching the specification. the value 0 is reserved, so should not be used, I expect values like 1 or 2 in this field, or 0xff if unknown.
[08:58] <brendand> cking, i'll raise a bug against ubuntu and subscribe you and the project managers as vanhoof requested
[08:59] <cking> brendand, I will put in my notes to the bug and we should forward it to the BIOS vendor if they can be bothered to fix it
[08:59] <cking> which I doubt
[09:00] <brendand> cking, so this is an enabled system. don't we have bios engineers?
[09:00] <cking> brendand, sorry, I don't understand your question
[09:01] <brendand> cking, neither do i, to some extent :/
[09:01] <cking> brendand, we can't fix this issue, it's up to the BIOS vendor to fix it
[09:01] <brendand> cking, right
[09:02] <cking> but I doubt they will do since it's not breaking anything and it's costly to fix it. however, we can tell them not to do this again in next releases
[09:02] <brendand> cking, of course.
[09:11] <brendand> cking, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1016436
[09:11] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1016436 in ubuntu "[Lenovo E325] DMIIllegalMappedAddrRange error when running FWTS" [Undecided,New]
[09:16] <cking> brendand, thanks, I've updated the bug report, upto somebody else to figure out what to do with it though :-/
[09:34] <brendand> something of a critical issue we've found here in quantal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1016444
[09:34] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1016444 in linux "Broadcom NetXtreme II detect network hardware fails due to can't find bnx2 firmware" [Undecided,New]
[12:22]  * ppisati -> lunch
[12:26] <apw> cking, ok i may have some quantal lowlatency kernels if you are interested in them, no idea if they work of course :)
[12:27] <cking> apw, I'd like to give them a spin
[12:27] <apw> arges, it was you who had some idea why we might care about lowlatency and have a usecase for it right?
[12:27] <arges> apw, yea i can help test
[12:28] <apw> ok they are just uploading now, will point you at 'em when they are done
[12:28] <cking> ta
[12:29] <arges> apw, i'll also try to get some numbers
[12:29] <arges> apw, in terms of how it affects audio recording (since that's a big usecase for me)
[12:30] <apw> rtg, i think i've put together a lowlatency branch using a new 'just override these configs' approach
[12:30] <apw> so it should be a straight rebase with no tweaking
[12:30] <cking> arges, so how do you propose to get some figures for that?
[12:31] <rtg> apw, is it _just_ config changes ?
[12:31] <apw> rtg, right now the branch still has your patch, though that could become config changes.  the point was that there is no manual handling of the configs for the branch so maintenance of it is simplified massivly
[12:32] <apw> and if it works well for quantal it would likely make sense for P too
[12:32] <apw> as right now one has to handle the config delta and all changes in the config, by hand, nnng
[12:35] <apw> http://people.canonical.com/~apw/lowlatency-quantal/ <-- cking, arges
[12:36] <arges> downloading
[12:39] <arges> apw, whats the appropriate patch format if. An original ubuntu patch was modified by another author, and wants to contribute it back? Should From: be changed, and just credit the original patch?
[12:40] <rtg> arges add a second patch that modifies code touched by the first ?
[12:41] <cking> apw, it boots
[12:44] <BenC> rtg: Any chance of some feedback on the newer patch set I sent to kernel-team@?
[12:45] <rtg> BenC, yep, though the answer hasn't changed. I'll send it out on the list.
[12:45] <BenC> rtg: That set doesn't change any relevant code though
[12:46] <BenC> rtg: And you do realize it's difficult to maintain a community driven port when the community has such a hard time getting support from the kernel-team...
[12:47] <BenC> I've put in over 100 hours of work getting failed builds down to a reasonable level on powerpc (and 25%+ of that helped arm by extension) over the past few weeks
[12:48] <rtg> BenC, look, its not my call. Rick said no, so you're gonna have to convince someone higher then my pay grade.
[12:48] <BenC> So how about ya throw me a bone here...
[12:48] <BenC> Rick who?
[12:49] <rtg> Rick Spencer, our director of engineering.
[12:49] <apw> BenC, why is it hard to maintain a derivative kernel, we have many of them
[12:49] <BenC> And it would be nice if the person actually making the call was the one responding to my emails on the list
[12:49] <BenC> apw: derivatives go into universe
[12:49] <BenC> universe == no installer
[12:50] <apw> the destination of a derivative kernel is not fixed is it?  lowlatency goes into main as it is the default kerenl for the ubuntu-studio CD ?
[12:50] <BenC> I don't think so…ubuntu-studio is a derivative of ubuntu, so it can pull in different components
[12:50] <BenC> I don't want to have to start going through MIRs just to get this thing going either
[12:51] <BenC> The new flavor isn't anything but another configuration, and one arguably more usable than powerpc-smp being currently built
[12:52] <BenC> rtg: And for the record, and I know it's not you at all, but Canonical has been extremely slow getting us any response on our OEM partnership paperwork we sent in several weeks ago
[12:54] <BenC> We put in our partnership requests with Redhat and Suse well after we started the process with Canonical, and we already have logo rights back to us and developer channels open with them, in less time
[12:55] <BenC> So you can imagine my frustration at how difficult this process is with the dist/company that I have such an affinity for :)
[12:56] <apw> cking, can you tell what hz is from the running kernel there?
[12:57] <rtg> BenC, well, this isn't the right channel. I guess you need to keep talking to vanhoof, but I know he's on vacation this week.
[13:02] <apw> BenC, i have not found kernel MIRs particularly onerous, as a kernel is a known shape, and we know where CVE fixes are coming from
[13:03] <apw> though i assuem you want installer bit bacause you want CDs built, and those tend to be a problem due to space
[13:05] <cking> apw, apart from the following, I'm not sure how to figure that out easily. grep CONFIG_HZ= /boot/config-`uname -r`
[13:05] <cking> CONFIG_HZ=1000
[13:06] <apw> cking, well thats something at least :)  does PREEMPT appear in uname -a
[13:06] <apw> cking, next to SMP, have the feeling its exposed in the same place
[13:06] <cking> grep PREEMPT= /boot/config-`uname -r`
[13:06] <cking> CONFIG_PREEMPT=y
[13:07] <arges> apw, getting some numbers for comparison with the generic-amd64 kernel frist btw
[13:07] <cking> arges, how are you instrumenting that?
[13:07] <arges> cking, i knew you'd ask : )
[13:07] <arges> cking, basically just using qjackctl to set the latency lower and checking for xruns
[13:08] <arges> its not as scientific as i'd like it
[13:08] <BenC> apw: Do you really want security guys to have to worry about another package that needs to get built for kernel CVEs and processing those ABIs and relevant meta packages?
[13:08]  * cking using cyclictest and other tests
[13:08] <BenC> Sounds like way more work than just adding the config/meta to the existing packages
[13:08] <arges> cking,  can you point me at that
[13:08] <cking> arges, http://people.redhat.com/williams/latency-howto/rt-latency-howto.txt
[13:08] <cking> but I need to faff around and see if it's useful or not
[13:09] <BenC> rtg: I know you say Rick said not to do it, but I tend to think you didn't do much to try to convince him, but most likely just wanted his confirmation of your decision :)
[13:10] <BenC> Anyways, I'm out of San Antonio heading back home from the Freescale conference where Canonical actually has a booth, so again, my confusion when we can't get a Freescale product line supported...
[13:12] <rtg> BenC, I did my homework with the biz-dev types. I'm not gonna commit to a another flavour until I'm sure its gonna stick, so keep talking to them.
[13:15] <cking> arges, http://elinux.org/Realtime_Testing_Best_Practices
[13:16] <cking> arges, and audio related: http://www.gardena.net/benno/linux/audio/
[13:20] <cking> arges, http://www.alsa-project.org/~iwai/suselabs2003-audio-latency.pdf
[13:42] <cking> arges, can you write up how you are measuring the audio on your machine?
[13:56] <arges> cking, yes doing that now
[14:17] <arges> rtg, apw : pad.lv/669641
[14:17] <apw> [email@bar: desctription]
[14:25] <ming_lei> ppetraki, I have seen the boot hang just one time
[14:25] <ming_lei> ppetraki, looks it is very difficult to reproduce it on my board
[14:25] <ming_lei> ppisati,  I have seen the boot hang just one time
[14:25] <ming_lei> ppisati, looks it is very difficult to reproduce it on my board
[14:26] <ppisati> ming_lei: cool
[14:26] <ppisati> ming_lei: so, with a brand new card i don't see it at all
[14:27] <ppisati> ming_lei: so fat
[14:27] <ppisati> far
[14:27] <ppisati> ming_lei: but it has been just one day that i'm trying with it
[14:27] <ppisati> ming_lei: now there's a problem with video output
[14:27] <ppisati> ming_lei: so i won't test it anymore
[14:27] <ppisati> ming_lei: i'll have to fix video first
[14:28] <ming_lei> ppisati, I mean the problem of 'omap2_set_init_voltage: unable to set vdd_mpu_iva'
[14:29] <ppisati> ming_lei: yes, i understood what you mean
[14:29] <ppisati> ming_lei: but at least you reproduced it one time
[14:30] <ming_lei> ppisati, yes, just one time
[14:37]  * ppisati -> reboot
[15:23] <diwic> if the same patch solves more than one bug, will it work to have two "BugLink:" lines in the patch header?
[15:32] <bjf> diwic, yes
[15:34] <diwic> bjf, thanks
[15:35] <rtg> diwic, is one a dupe of the other ?
[15:36] <diwic> rtg, not really. I was thinking of adding three similar quirks (for three different machines) in the same patch for efficiency.
[15:39] <bjf> diwic, as long as all three bugs have the sru text, i think you are fine with a single commit that fixes them all
[15:39] <diwic> bjf, ok. These will all go through upstream, so they won't need any SRU text.
[15:40] <diwic> probably they will hit quantal and not precise
[15:40] <bjf> diwic, ah!, that's cool
[15:40] <diwic> still good to have them autoclosed though :-)
[15:43] <bjf> diwic, yup
[16:04] <bjf> rtg, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1054497/
[16:04] <bjf> rtg, it's working just fine
[16:04] <rtg> bjf, that looks better.
[17:59] <cking> arges, I'll get back to you on tools to try - I'm experimenting with a bunch of broken old of date tools that seem to not be very useful at the moment :-/
[17:59] <arges> cking, ok thanks
[18:10]  * cking --> EOD
[18:10] <cking> ...and mutters to himself about broken tools..
[18:55]  * ppisati ->EOD
[19:20] <bjf> cnd, how do you simulate a middle mouse click on the MB?
[19:57]  * rtg calls it a week.
[20:08] <cnd> bjf, you don't
[20:08] <bjf> cnd, oh
[20:08] <cnd> you can manually configure it to be a three-touch tap if you want
[20:08] <cnd> but it's limited
[20:09] <cnd> the reason is that the unity multitouch gesture spec conflicts with three-touch tap
[20:09] <cnd> so the default is to not provide middle button emulation
[20:10] <cnd> I'm trying to find the bug about this
[20:10] <cnd> it has some info on how to enable it manually
[20:11] <cnd> but it doesn't to stick after suspend/resume or reboot
[20:13] <cnd> bjf, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/754000/comments/64
[20:13] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 754000 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Running Unity disables Xorg's 3-finger click support (middle click)" [Low,Won't fix]
[20:14] <bjf> reading
[20:17] <cnd> bjf, note that if you enable middle click emulation, you lose the three-touch gestures in unity
[20:17] <cnd> which may not be a big deal to you :)
[20:17] <bjf> cnd, ack thanks for the explaination
[20:17] <cnd> it's just an unfortunately reality of X being architected as it is
[20:17] <infinity> Don't we map some keyboard shortcuts to right and middle by default on Macs?
[20:18] <cnd> maybe the option key for right click?
[20:18] <cnd> I would be surprised for middle click, but I could be wrong
[20:18] <infinity> F11 and F12 or something?  I dunno.  I buy hardware with mouse buttons.
[20:19] <infinity> Ubuntu bug 754000 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "My MacBook isn't a ThinkPad" [Low,Won't fix]
[20:19] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 754000 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Running Unity disables Xorg's 3-finger click support (middle click)" [Low,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/754000
[20:19] <infinity> ubot2: Shut it.
[20:19] <ubot2> Factoid 'Shut it.' not found
[21:06] <genii-around> Hello.. Perhaps someone may know offhand.. if there is some known bug with 3.4,3.5 64 bit kernels and Atom N450. I get odd messages like bad rss-counter state


[12:55] <BeRoots> Hello. I'm looking to a netplan configuration to make a wifi adhoc private network between an ubuntu and a fedora33. I haven't find any good example and for the moment my /etc/netplan/20-adhocwifi.yaml is something like:
[12:55] <BeRoots> network:
[12:55] <BeRoots>     version: 2
[12:55] <BeRoots>     wifis:
[12:55] <BeRoots>         wlan0:
[12:55] <BeRoots>             access-points:
[12:55] <BeRoots>                 "My adhoc":
[12:55] <BeRoots>                     mode: adhoc
[12:55] <BeRoots>                     password: "s3kr1t"
[12:55] <BeRoots> I want to get the maximum possible features for this network such as mac filtering ; possible auth using keys ; network address setting such as <IP_ADDRESS>/30... If someone can help me to make this config file.
[16:03] <BeRoots> I have make a test like this:
[16:03] <BeRoots> network:
[16:03] <BeRoots>   version: 2
[16:03] <BeRoots>   renderer: networkd
[16:03] <BeRoots>   wifis:
[16:03] <BeRoots>     wlan0:
[16:03] <BeRoots>       dhcp4: no
[16:03] <BeRoots>       dhcp6: no
[16:03] <BeRoots>       addresses: [<IP_ADDRESS>/30]
[16:03] <BeRoots> #      gateway4: <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:03] <BeRoots> #      nameservers:
[16:03] <BeRoots> #        addresses: [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:03] <BeRoots>       access-points:
[16:03] <BeRoots>         "My adhoc":
[16:03] <BeRoots>           mode: adhoc
[16:03] <BeRoots>           password: "s3kr1t"
[16:03] <BeRoots> The `netplan generate` command generate the configuration without errors (same generated content with the config filled before or when I uncomment it 3 commented lines). But when i run `netplan try` command or `netplan -d apply` command, I have logs loop that appears and `ip a` not chow me an IP for wlan0. I'm forced to delete the
[16:03] <BeRoots> /etc/netplan/wlan0.yaml and run `netplan apply` again to stop the logs loop and restore my system.


[09:33] <everaldo> jbicha, good morning!!!
[10:17] <smartboyhw> jbicha, release day isn't it?
[11:19] <everaldo> smartboyhw, :)
[11:19] <smartboyhw> everaldo, :) I am still doing Studio testing for god's sake!
[11:20] <everaldo> I am writing to some blogs
[11:21] <smartboyhw> everaldo, good:D
[11:22] <everaldo> smartboyhw, and wait for jbicha so I will also send mail to some friends so they can help seed torrents
[11:22] <smartboyhw> everaldo, good I will help seed it if I can
[11:22] <smartboyhw> hopefully jbicha will make it into a official Ubuntu derative
[11:31] <everaldo> I think that it will be possible for 13.04
[11:32] <everaldo> my personal plans is to make it more mac friendly (grub)
[11:32] <everaldo> integrate gnome-tweak-tool into control-center
[11:32] <everaldo> and maybe get some missing features back to nautilus
[11:33] <everaldo> and... ah... the gnome printer setting is not as powerful as system-config-printer
[12:12] <jbicha> good morning
[12:13] <everaldo> jbicha, we are just excited :-)
[12:14] <smartboyhw> Good morning jbicha we are excited....When is the release time?
[12:14] <smartboyhw> *Good evening:P
[12:14] <everaldo> haha
[12:14] <jbicha> smartboyhw: the release is when it's ready, probably not for a few more hours
[12:15]  * everaldo just think how weird is for one guy to hear from two other guys at morning the word "excited"
[12:15] <smartboyhw> everaldo, LOL
[14:41] <everaldo> smartboyhw, how good is your english?
[14:42] <smartboyhw> everaldo, OK (quite good actually):D so/
[14:45] <everaldo> smartboyhw, if I send you a text write by me, could you review?
[14:45] <smartboyhw> everaldo, OK
[14:45] <everaldo> I am doind an article/post/review about ubuntu gnome
[14:45] <everaldo> in portuguese, so I will translate also to english
[14:45] <smartboyhw> everaldo, OK
[14:45] <everaldo> smartboyhw, nice!
[14:58] <jbicha> we're not going to be quite done with the release when Ubuntu is; I went to bed a bit early last night instead of building the iso's
[14:59] <jbicha> it'll still be released today but give it another 2 hours
[15:10] <everaldo> jbicha, that is ok, I think that most people just download at night when back from office
[15:10] <everaldo> and at least here, we have 8~12 hours more ;-)
[15:10]  * everaldo is already running Ubuntu GNOME
[15:11] <everaldo> smartboyhw, already brought a champagne or wine ?
[15:12] <smartboyhw> everaldo, no
[15:12] <everaldo> oh! you need to!
[15:12] <jbicha> lol
[15:15] <everaldo> jbicha, try to release the iso only at night, I am calling some linux guys here for one install-fest
[15:15] <everaldo> and I don't want then to have a iso before that ;-)
[15:16] <jbicha> everaldo: sure, it's night somewhere :)
[15:18] <everaldo> lol
[15:20] <smartboyhw> :-)
[15:20] <everaldo> smartboyhw, "Your favorite distro, your favorite desktop". Is this sentence ok?
[15:21] <smartboyhw> everaldo, OK but I gotcha sleep now bye:P
[18:08] <jbicha> ok, there are torrents at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10?action=AttachFile but we're not ready to release yet as I haven't finished the release notes
[18:16] <Fitzz> Yay!
[20:15] <everaldo> oh!
[20:15] <everaldo> just receive an email :-)
[20:15] <everaldo> jbicha, congrats! good job!
[20:17] <jbicha> everaldo: thanks for your help!
[20:23] <everaldo> jbicha, the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10 don't have any reference to IRC channel
[20:23] <everaldo> maybe some reference cold be nice
[20:25] <jbicha> everaldo: sure, would you like to add that and a mention of the mailing list?
[20:27] <everaldo> yes
[20:41] <darkxst> morning
[21:04] <everaldo> darkxst, morning


[00:58] <davethefan> is anybody awake in here?
[01:00] <holstein> davethefan: maybe.. you just ask and if any volunteers are available, you will get a respose
[01:01] <davethefan> hi holstein: i'm looking for an application that will search for a string of text inside a list of (ASP) files from a specific folder
[01:04] <davethefan> i think i may have found it,  with "Search for Files"
[01:04] <davethefan> i didnt have it installed, cheers
[02:28] <ufo2222> How much space does a full install take up on a hard disk?
[02:29] <holstein> ufo2222: i would want 6 or 8 gb
[02:30] <holstein> not sure if you can fit in 4 gb's anymore or not
[02:32] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD is a good option.. start minimal and then
[02:32] <holstein> !pure xfce
[02:32] <holstein> !purexfce
[02:33] <holstein> of course, you'll just be adding what you want to it instead of changing a current xubuntu install
[02:38] <ufo2222> How is the hardware detection?
[02:39] <holstein> ufo2222: with xubuntu? any current hardware made that allows the linux community to support it, and is not restricted by licensing is detected and supported well
[02:42] <ufo2222> Well, i got an old thinkpad, model  a22m 2628 to be specific, and i would like to know if it would fit the hardware
[02:43] <holstein> ufo2222: try it live and see how it works.. its really challenging for me or anyone to say first hand since its quite impossible to predict the exact harware in the unit
[02:43] <ufo2222> Thanks
[02:43] <holstein> ufo2222: not all model a22m 2628's will necessarily have the *exact* same harware or chipsets
[02:44] <holstein> i usually load up a live CD and test the sound and networking.. maybe run lspci in a terminal.. see that it sleeps and wakes if that is important
[08:15] <xubuntu369> hello
[09:46] <rywilly> ha!
[09:47] <rywilly> i added path to .bashrc, it worked
[09:47] <rywilly> because...
[09:47] <rywilly> # ~/.profile: executed by the command interpreter for login shells.
[09:47] <rywilly> # This file is not read by bash(1), if ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login
[09:47] <rywilly> # exists.
[09:47] <rywilly> errr..oops
[09:48] <rywilly> scratch that
[09:50] <rywilly> sorry, wrong channel, lol. Ironic, because i'm actually using xubuntu and trying to learn how to configure things. :-P
[10:10] <rywilly> grrr....<0052>:: can't find 'std/os.e' in any of ...
[10:15] <simpleuser> Hello there. I'm using Xubuntu 12.10, and when i right click on a rar and do "extract here" and nothing happens
[10:15] <simpleuser> Which extractor du you use ?
[10:15] <simpleuser> and which one should I use ? :-(
[10:17] <TheSheep> simpleuser: I think that rar is not installed by default, you need to install it with 'apt-get install rar'
[10:17] <TheSheep> with sudo, of course
[10:17] <simpleuser> "unrar x YYY.rar" seems to be working, but i'm looking for an extractor integrated to thunar
[10:18] <simpleuser> TheSheep, no change with rar installed ;)
[10:18] <simpleuser> Is there a way to see why there's a problem ? In var log maybe ?
[10:18] <TheSheep> well, worked for me, so can't really help
[10:18] <simpleuser> ok no prob TheSheep, thanks anyway
[10:18] <TheSheep> you can try starting the file roller from terminal and looking if it shows any error messages when you try to extract that file
[10:19] <TheSheep> (or just check your .xsessionerrors file)
[10:21] <simpleuser> TheSheep, weird. It seems it works when i open it with fileroller (even with just a double click in thunar) and then extract it. It's just the right click and "extract here" which doesn't work
[10:23] <koegs> simpleuser: did do you an "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" already?
[10:23] <koegs> i think i had a similar problem some time ago and it was fixed with an update
[10:24] <simpleuser> oh ok thanks koegs. I'm trying this.
[10:48] <simpleuser> koegs, great, it worked, thanks :)
[11:25] <blim> I'm trying to disable the hdmi audio on my amd card using the blacklist but how do I find out the interface name?
[12:17] <louigi> hey guys
[12:17] <louigi> I am on xubuntu 12.04
[12:17] <louigi> In my menu I have Wine set up
[12:17] <louigi> When I go to Main Menu Settings, Wine entry is not displayed
[12:18] <louigi> and so I cannot edit it to the position I want
[12:40] <killer> when i right click on the desktop , it takes 5-6 seconds to show the right click menu
[12:47] <TheSheep> killer: did you remove the application menu from your panel?
[12:57] <xubuntu100> Hello?
[12:58] <TheSheep> !hi | xubuntu100
[12:58] <xubuntu100> could anyone help me with install because yesterday I installed xubuntu, and removed disk when reboot for going to xubuntu, but after that It come nothing .. Not Xubuntu, where Can I find it ?
[13:00] <TheSheep> it doesn't show anything, just a black screen?
[13:00] <xubuntu100> Yes, he goes to the Internet.
[13:00] <xubuntu100> But I need to restart my pc now
[13:00] <xubuntu100> So I need to do my DVD / CD out of the PC?
[13:01] <xubuntu100> When Reboot?
[13:01] <TheSheep> yes
[13:01] <xubuntu100> Ok BRB
[13:03] <louigi> hey guys
[13:03] <louigi> I am on xubuntu 12.04
[13:03] <louigi> In my menu I have Wine set up
[13:03] <louigi> When I go to Main Menu Settings, Wine entry is not displayed
[13:03] <louigi> and so I cannot edit it to the position I want
[13:03] <louigi> any advice?
[13:06] <xubuntu100> Im back, thanks it worked now I have windows XP and Xubuntu!
[13:07] <xubuntu100> Thanks a lot it worked..
[18:20] <zodiak> anyone ever seen a case where the mouse in X doesn't select when you click left and drag ?
[18:21] <zodiak> it only started happening about 50 minutes ago.. and a -15/-9 on kpsmoused does nada to help
[18:21] <TheSheep> what is kpsmoused?
[18:21] <zodiak> kernel mouse driver
[18:22] <TheSheep> what does xev say?
[18:22] <zodiak> well, the daemon for the kernel mouse .. but.. you get the idea
[18:22] <zodiak> well, xev see's the button click and button release
[18:23] <zodiak> *scratches head* weird
[18:23] <TheSheep> so nothing wrong with mouse, I guess, I would check the application
[18:23] <TheSheep> maybe it has some mode or something
[18:23] <zodiak> TheSheep, this is across the whole of X
[18:23] <zodiak> not jst '1 app' sadly
[18:23] <TheSheep> any fancy input methods?
[18:23] <zodiak> not that I am aware of ;)
[18:24] <zodiak> no, no xinput or anything for hiragana/katakana
[18:24] <zodiak> as I said, it literally started happening about 50 mins ago.. I think maybe chrome has gotten the drag+drop "stuck"
[18:25] <zodiak> I don't know how else to explain it.. it's.. yeah. I haven't seen this in years of linux use.. weird.
[18:28] <zodiak> well.. shivver my timbers
[18:28] <zodiak> xinput set-prop 13 "Device Enabled" 0
[18:28] <zodiak> xinput set-prop 13 "Device Enabled" 1
[18:28] <zodiak> cured it
[18:28] <zodiak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rapidsvn/+bug/402892
[18:29] <zodiak> that's an interesting one.. it appears to be some sort of intersection with X and apps using DnD
[18:31] <TheSheep> can't wait to see X go, really
[18:31] <TheSheep> the level of complexity is just...
[18:45] <SpaceA> i cant find the +mac version for xubuntu any help?
[18:45] <holstein> SpaceA: what are you looking for?
[18:46] <zodiak> TheSheep, agreed.. that said.. I will miss starting apps remotely on other peoples screens ;)
[18:46] <SpaceA> holstein, the +mac image for xubuntu 12.04
[18:47] <bazhang> SpaceA, the intel mac version?
[18:47] <SpaceA> bazhang, sir yes sir
[18:47]  * holstein is unaware of the term "+mac"
[18:48] <bazhang> not sure if they have that for xubuntu. just the regular amd64 should do
[18:48] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[18:48] <holstein> "as well as newer Apple Macintosh systems based on Intel processors"
[18:49] <SpaceA> you are the man holstein
[18:49] <SpaceA> thanks!
[19:21] <louigi> hey fellas! is there any app at all for xubuntu 12.04 that can do a screencast and record sound from the app?
[19:22] <bazhang> !info kazam
[19:22] <holstein> louigi: i have used gtk-recordmydesktop - Graphical frontend for recordMyDesktop screencast tool
[19:23] <louigi> holstein, problem is - no sound recording, only from mic. Since 9.10 jack support is broken.
[19:23] <holstein> louigi: the mic *is* sound
[19:24] <louigi> holstein, yeah, but I am asking record sound FROM app :)
[19:24] <holstein> louigi: if you just want to add music afterwards, i would just addd music afterwards
[19:24] <louigi> ubottu, will look at kazam
[19:24] <louigi> holstein, I actually want to screencast a game
[19:24] <holstein> louigi: check out what bazhang has suggested, and maybe try #ubuntu and specify what you are wanting to get audio from
[19:25] <louigi> holstein, bazhang okay guys, thx.
[19:25] <louigi> Enjoying xubuntu so far
[19:25] <bazhang> np
[19:26] <louigi> Are there any resources that show research into how fast xubuntu is compared to usual gnome or unity?
[19:26] <holstein> louigi: its the same hardware.. doesnt realy make the machine any "faster".. might seem more lean
[19:26] <holstein> louigi: you can load them up live and test and see for yourself
[19:27] <theenduser> fwiw, Xubuntu makes mine a lean machine :)
[19:27] <louigi> holstein, righto, I apologize for inaccurate use of terms. I mean - low on RAM and filesystem and that sort of stuff
[19:28] <louigi> Wikipedia says Xubuntu at some point stopped being a low resource distro
[19:28] <bazhang> louigi, phoronix did a survey a bit ago measuring xfce4 vs gnome
[19:28] <bazhang> louigi, for truly lighter, you'd want lubuntu
[19:29] <louigi> bazhang, I am no in need for lighter, but now that I've embraced xubuntu, I wanna know all about it. I really enjoy how it looks.
[19:29] <louigi> I also learned how the panels worked and configured it to my liking
[19:35] <louigi> guys, yet another small question - in my Main Menu settings not all entries seem to be editable.
[19:35] <louigi> For instance, I have Wine installed, but it does not appear there and so I cannot move it up or down
[19:35] <louigi> the menu entry I mean
[19:52] <louigi> bazhang, tried kazam. Eventually I found which sound device to choose to get sound from actual apps and not from mic.
[19:52] <louigi> Thank you very much for advice
[19:52] <bazhang> welcome
[20:26] <Thunder34> hello
[20:57] <xubuntu115> Any idea how I can change the font color of the desktop icons after upgrading to 12.10 (Xfce 4.10, Greybird), my wallpaper is white and I can't read white font at all
[21:02] <xubuntu115> ???
[21:12] <xubuntu115> Any idea how I can change the font color of the desktop icons after upgrading to 12.10 (Xfce 4.10, Greybird), my wallpaper is white and I can't read white font at all
[21:23] <xubuntu115> Is anyone here?
[21:24] <Ray2> Does not look like anyone here to help


[01:19] <Tm_T> hmh, seems like kdevelop is quite broken
[02:43] <lexhider> Riddell: are you there?
[02:43] <Riddell> lexhider: hi
[02:43] <lexhider> can I make a small suggestion regarding kubuntu-desktop packaging
[02:45] <Riddell> lexhider: of course
[02:46] <lexhider> the suggestion is to handle kaffeine dependency like ubuntu-desktop handles totem. instead of depending on totem-gstreamer, ubuntu-desktop depends on totem which depend on "totem-gstreamer | totem-xine". This means if you remove totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine, aptitude doesn't complain about ubuntu-desktop having broken dependencies.
[02:47] <lexhider> So if I try to remove kaffeine-gstreamer and install kaffeine-xine, it breaks dependencies for kubuntu-desktop
[02:51] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/default-package-groups  should help that problem in general
[02:52] <Riddell> I think totem is packaged so that totem-gstramer and totem-xine are both complete totem packages
[02:52] <Riddell> whereas kaffeine-xine only contains the xine plugin
[02:52] <Riddell> I guess we could change that
[02:56] <Lathiat> Riddell: yeh thats correct
[02:56] <Lathiat> i think its more totem is compiled with xine
[02:56] <Lathiat> and kaffeine has plugins
[02:57] <Lathiat> kaffeine still crashes far too much tho :(
[02:58] <Lathiat> i wonder if the new amarok is any better
[02:58] <Lathiat> mine dies every few hours
[03:01] <lexhider> Riddell: oh, just realized that kaffeine-xine & kaffeine-gstreamer are installable side by side.
[03:03] <Lathiat> lexhider: right, you have to goto configure and choose the plugin
[09:56] <_Tonio_> hi
[11:22] <jpatrick> someone working on the lastest smb4k?
[11:24] <_Tonio_> jpatrick: when was the tarball released ?
[11:24] <_Tonio_> I can add it to my toonight todo list ;)
[11:24] <jpatrick> _Tonio_: I'm working on it :P
[11:26] <_Tonio_> ah okay ;)
[11:27] <_Tonio_> that's a good news, because I have so many packages to do ......
[11:27] <_Tonio_> anyway, jpatrick are you able to build packages with a dapper pbuilder ?
[11:27] <_Tonio_> none of them are working for me.....
[11:28] <jpatrick> ...
[11:31] <_Tonio_> kdelibs4-dev dependancies issue...
[11:31] <_Tonio_> never saw this ?
[11:32] <jpatrick> no
[11:32] <_Tonio_> this is a known problem, but I'd like to know if that fails on any packages or only a few....
[11:32] <_Tonio_> jpatrick: okay thanks...
[11:32] <_Tonio_> I'll test on other packages
[11:36] <jpatrick> I think I've got the debian/* files right...
[11:37] <_Tonio_> jpatrick: in the dependancies, do you use kdelibs-dev, or kdelibs4-dev ?
[11:37] <_Tonio_> I think my problem comes from here
[11:37] <_Tonio_> impossible to get kdelibs4-dev installed.....
[11:38] <jpatrick> I'm a new packager...
[11:39] <jpatrick> I have kdelibs4-dev installed
[11:39] <_Tonio_> okay
[11:39] <_Tonio_> on breezy, but on dapper ? are you using pbuilder ?
[11:39] <_Tonio_> I have no pb building on breezy ;)
[11:39] <jpatrick> Dapper
[11:39] <_Tonio_> the problem is in pbuilder only
[11:39] <_Tonio_> sounds amazing....
[11:40] <_Tonio_> here's what I get :
[11:40] <_Tonio_> jpatrick: yes but anyway, whereas you start or are a veteran, the fact is that you have installed kdelibs4-dev ;)
[11:40] <_Tonio_> I get that :
[11:40] <_Tonio_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:40] <_Tonio_>   kdelibs4-dev: Depends: libssl-dev but it is not going to be installed
[11:41] <_Tonio_> E: Broken packages
[11:41] <_Tonio_> E: Could not satisfy build-dependency.
[11:41] <jpatrick> odd
[11:41] <jpatrick> Maybe it's cos I have KDE 3.5 B2
[11:42] <_Tonio_> jpatrick: so you are not using pbuilder ?
[11:42] <jpatrick> not yet
[11:42] <_Tonio_> that's the reason :)
[11:42] <_Tonio_> anyway, because you told me you where new packager, did you use uupdate to build smb4k ?
[11:42] <jpatrick> no
[11:42] <_Tonio_> it is recommended when updating an already existing package...
[11:43] <_Tonio_> it is clean and helps you earnin time
[11:43] <jpatrick> Okay I'll look for something on it
[11:43] <_Tonio_> what you should do is simply download the actual sources with apt-get source smb4k
[11:43] <_Tonio_> download the new tarball
[11:43] <_Tonio_> and check on google the way to create the new source package using uupdate ;)
[11:45] <jpatrick>  apt-get source smb4k...
[11:47] <jpatrick> now I have a .dsc, .diff.gz and a tarball
[11:48] <jpatrick> and a folder
[11:55] <_Tonio_> yes
[11:55] <jpatrick> I found something on it
[11:55] <_Tonio_> so now place the new tarball in the same folder than the .dsc file
[11:56] <_Tonio_> .tar.gz format in case it is a .tar.bz2
[11:56] <jpatrick> uupdate: command not found
[11:56] <_Tonio_> install it ;)
[11:56] <_Tonio_> then go in the smk4k folder and launch a "uupdate -u nameofthenewtarball.tar.gz"
[11:56] <jpatrick> E: Couldn't find package uupdate
[11:56] <_Tonio_> that should do the work
[11:56] <_Tonio_> jpatrick: apt-file search uupdate
[11:57] <_Tonio_> jpatrick: sudo apt-get install devscripts
[11:57] <jpatrick> prefect
[12:02] <jpatrick> _Tonio_: I think it worked..
[12:02] <seaLne> _Tonio_: what is the difference between uupdate and zcat foo.diff|patch -p1 ?
[12:02] <jpatrick> I have a new smb4k-0.6.4 dir
[12:02] <_Tonio_> dunno, I always use uupdate ;)
[12:02] <jpatrick> yep it worked
[12:02] <_Tonio_> yes, you just have to modify the files a bit
[12:04] <jpatrick> I have to change the Maintainer name to me?
[12:04] <seaLne> _Tonio_: ah it looks like you don't have to extract the new tarball but apart from that dose exactly the same thing
[12:05] <jpatrick> PS smb4k (0.6.4-1ubuntu1) breezy; urgency=low - should that be dapper?
[12:06] <_Tonio_> seaLne: okay, maybe the uupdate script uses zcat
[12:06] <_Tonio_> it is only a script so it may use other tools
[12:06] <seaLne> ah seems to do a bit more
[12:06] <_Tonio_> i never looked, i just know that works great, and helps earning time :)
[12:07] <_Tonio_> doesn't it test the patches to see if they are still applyable, or something like like ?
[12:31] <mornfall> Riddell: ping
[12:31] <mornfall> Riddell: (i updated the feature plan on web.ekhis.org/adept.html)
[12:35] <mornfall> anyone else with comments is welcome to state them :)
[12:39] <mornfall> oh, and also, what's up with FindingPackages?
[12:39] <mornfall> it's sort of, uh-oh...
[12:41] <amu> mornfall: people complain about adapt, that i removed and replaced it it synaptic, sorry about that
[12:42] <mornfall> hmm?
[12:43] <mornfall> i am not sure what you mean
[12:44] <amu> people complained, that this adapt isnt useable :)
[12:44] <mornfall> which people
[12:44] <mornfall> where
[12:44] <amu> #kubuntu-de
[12:44] <amu> kubuntu forum ....
[12:45] <jpatrick> _Tonio_: done
[12:45] <amu> my working friends
[12:45] <_Tonio_> mornfall: may I suggest something for the next version of adept ?
[12:45] <mornfall> yes?
[12:45] <jpatrick> the main Kubuntu Forums has some good remarks about Adept
[12:45] <_Tonio_> I think that a proxy configuration wizzard would be nice
[12:46] <_Tonio_> synaptic has that function, and that can be pretty usefull
[12:47] <_Tonio_> even if not a wizzard, simply in adept's options...
[12:48] <mornfall> on software support, all i found so far is complaints about kdesu breakage
[12:49] <mornfall> _Tonio_: i'd say using kde proxy settings should do?
[12:49] <_Tonio_> hum.... didn't test
[12:49] <_Tonio_> mornfall: you mean konq proxy ?
[12:50] <mornfall> _Tonio_: it doesn't do that atm... it only picks up envvars so far
[12:50] <_Tonio_> mornfall: there is a possibility to configa proxy in apt.conf.... but maybe there is another possibility, I don't know
[12:50] <mornfall> _Tonio_: but as a feature, i'd say using konq proxy should do
[12:50] <mornfall> i'll think about it
[12:50] <_Tonio_> okay
[12:50] <mornfall> maybe you could make a bugs.kde.org entry for me so i don't forget? :)
[12:51] <_Tonio_> no problem, I'll do toonight
[12:51] <_Tonio_> also, would you like new icons for version 2.0 or are you fine with those ones ?
[12:52] <mornfall> _Tonio_: if someone makes better, why not
[12:52] <mornfall> _Tonio_: noone did so far though
[12:52] <mornfall> "adept is growing on me" -- how am i supposed to parse that?
[12:52] <_Tonio_> I did the actual ones, so maybe I try to improve them a bit
[12:53] <mornfall> ah, you mean the application icons
[12:53] <_Tonio_> the crystal effect is not perfect...
[12:53] <mornfall> yeah, why not
[12:53] <_Tonio_> mornfall: yep
[12:53] <mornfall> i was thinking action icons here :)
[12:53] <_Tonio_> ah okay ;)
[12:54] <_Tonio_> also, I'd be interessted in he french translation when the gmo file is available...
[12:54] <mornfall> yes, i18n is planned for 2.0
[12:55] <_Tonio_> will it go in launchpad or simply kde i18n for translation ?
[12:55] <mornfall> no idea, i guess kde i18n
[12:55] <mornfall> we'll see
[12:55] <_Tonio_> okay, I'll check around
[12:56] <mornfall> can someone point me at the adept remarks on kubuntu forums?
[12:56] <mornfall> i can't seem to find them
[12:58] <jpatrick> which one?
[01:00] <mornfall> [12:49:42]  < jpatrick> the main Kubuntu Forums has some good remarks about Adept
[01:01] <mornfall> url would probably help :-)
[01:01] <jpatrick> they're a whole bunch of Adept threads :)
[01:01] <mornfall> yeah, but nothing too useful
[01:01] <apokryphos> a few random thoughts on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84126  too
[01:01] <mornfall> there are some full/safe upgrade questions -- which will be solved once the manual is done, mostly
[01:02] <mornfall> and one keep question, same solution
[01:03] <jpatrick> Adept should say what extra packages it will install...
[01:03] <apokryphos> some thoughts myself: most of my beef is with the general UI, really; I find it really problematic; but I see that's going to be worked on, which sounds really promising :). Anything else just seems to be ways in which it's lacking slightly in comparison to synaptic
[01:04] <mornfall> apokryphos: you don't like the split, right?
[01:04] <apokryphos> that's one thing, yes
[01:04] <mornfall> jpatrick: there's a huge "preview changes" button *sigh*
[01:04] <mornfall> apokryphos: and you suggest what instead?
[01:04] <mornfall> (i forgot)
[01:05] <jpatrick> mornfall: Kynaptic pops up a box
[01:05] <mornfall> popups are sort of obnoxious
[01:06] <mornfall> but well, i guess showing a preview by default and having an option to disable that will have to do
[01:06] <apokryphos> others: managed repositories embedded seems odd, I think there should be the traditional kde Settings -> Configure Adept
[01:06] <apokryphos> personally I think it looks really bad to have *all* the search options right there. And it looks messy if you minimise it a bit. The average end-user (over 95% of them) are just looking for a package keword
[01:07] <apokryphos> an advanced search should be an extra option
[01:07] <mornfall> as for 11) from the above post, that's a no-go
[01:07] <apokryphos> (note I still think there should be a simple dynamic search available)
[01:07] <mornfall> dynamic search meaning?
[01:07] <amu> mornfall: i'll collect the users feedback and forward it to you
[01:08] <mornfall> amu: thanks
[01:11] <apokryphos> minor thing: "Reset Filter" should be replaced by that button things like Konq etc. use, no?
[01:11] <apokryphos> (in Konqueror, next to "Location" URL toolbar)
[01:11] <mornfall> apokryphos: and how would that exactly mesh with checkboxes?
[01:11] <mornfall> or comboboxes
[01:12] <apokryphos> mesh? I don't think it would be a problem, would it?
[01:12] <mornfall> try to imagine how it will look... it'll be pretty hard to figure what it is supposed to do
[01:13] <apokryphos> I don't see why; seems fairly standard in kde
[01:13] <mornfall> yeah, in front of a lineedit
[01:13] <mornfall> i have never ever seen it anywhere else
[01:14] <mornfall> now think of:
[01:14] <mornfall> x> <label> <combo>   <label> <combo>
[01:14] <mornfall>    <label> <combo>   <label> <combo>
[01:14] <mornfall> what does that do?
[01:14] <mornfall> (the x> there)
[01:15] <apokryphos> it's in many other places; other one that comes to mind is khelpcenter
[01:15] <apokryphos> not a programmer, so I don't see any problem
[01:16] <apokryphos> though that could perhaps be another pro for the top/down design :P
[01:16] <mornfall> from user point of view
[01:16] <apokryphos> s/pro/con/
[01:16] <mornfall> what top/down design?
[01:16] <mornfall> top/down design is a methodology for designing systems :)
[01:16] <apokryphos> from the user point of view I see absolutely no problem with taking away "Reset Filter" and replacing with the x> and putting it to the right of the text-box
[01:16] <apokryphos> if I was making a html page, that's how I'd do it
[01:16] <mornfall> hmm, no
[01:16] <mornfall> damn :)
[01:17] <mornfall> right of the text-box?
[01:17] <apokryphos> whoops, left, I mean
[01:17] <mornfall> it sort of looks like it will remove the filter then :)
[01:17] <apokryphos> not at all; I think it's reasonably clear what removes the filter there
[01:18] <mornfall> it would confuse *me*
[01:18] <apokryphos> because (i) the title encompassesx that whole area; (ii) the whole area has light blue; (iii) dark blue showing the whole thing that the combobox would take out
[01:18] <mornfall> well, if i wouldn't know beforehand, that is :)
[01:19] <mornfall> i will think about it... but, but... i'm still unconvinced
[01:19] <mornfall> what's wrong with reset filter?
[01:19] <apokryphos> the x> should only take the size of the given text-box
[01:19] <apokryphos> so I think it would be hard to presuppose that it would collapse that whole section
[01:20] <apokryphos> it looks tacky :D. I get the same feeling when people overdo html buttons
[01:20] <apokryphos> another issue I just thought of: in Manage Repositories, why the big buttons?
[01:20] <apokryphos> goes against general other kde-ness
[01:20] <pef> hello
[01:20] <apokryphos> wow, maybe I could be the champion knight of kde. 8)
[01:21] <apokryphos> (just seems to me that most buttons in kde things tend to not span the whole of the bottom)
[01:21] <mornfall> yeah, that's true
[01:22] <mornfall> i was sort of time-constrained making that repository manager :)
[01:22] <apokryphos> mornfall: should note that with the whole x> I was referring to the "Quick Filter" only
[01:22] <mornfall> apokryphos: that would make it inconsistent!
[01:22] <apokryphos> just realised that the others have "Reset Filter" buttons, where it wouldn't be as appropriate to have the x>
[01:22] <apokryphos> Yup; is a problem
[01:22] <mornfall> that's what i was arguing about all the time
[01:23] <mornfall> bah :P
[01:23] <apokryphos> =)
[01:23] <mornfall> so now give me a solution =)
[01:23] <apokryphos> I think it's nearly as bad having three buttons doing the same thing, though
[01:23] <apokryphos> (I know this is only when they're all expanded, but nevertheless)
[01:24] <apokryphos> ok...... they don't entirely; since they apply to their respective selection
[01:25] <mornfall> ooh
[01:25] <mornfall> context menu? :-)
[01:25] <apokryphos> mornfall: how was it handled in the alpha?
[01:25] <mornfall> apokryphos: alpha was a small usability nightmare compared to beta =)
[01:26] <apokryphos> I know; just wondering how that part happened exactly; I recall it being right main, with left options
[01:26] <mornfall> apokryphos: it only had 2 filters, one was the traditional quick filter on top (no clear at all) and on left, there was a checkboxy filter with apply/reset buttons
[01:27] <mornfall> people thought apply/reset was related to actions not to the filter
[01:27] <apokryphos> if you just had a quick dynamic filter with x>, then there'd be no need for an apply and the reset button, methinks
[01:28] <apokryphos> (in which case you'd have extended search options from a menu)
[01:28] <apokryphos> kind of thinking amaroK-style
[01:29] <apokryphos> (just an example of the usage, that is)
[01:30] <mornfall> that wouldn't fly
[01:31] <mornfall> i am still thinking about a palette of filters on left-hand side
[01:32] <apokryphos> why wouldn't it fly?
[01:32] <mornfall> because using filters from menu would be awkward enough to make them useless
[01:34] <mornfall> i guess it could work with only quick filter being active by default... but... many people aren't going to find those other 2 default filters then
[01:34] <mornfall> you -need- a list of active filters anyway
[01:34] <mornfall> because otherwise you can't AND filters in any sane manner
[01:34] <apokryphos> yeah, I agree that some main filters shouldn't be in the menu; just thought of extra search options being in menus
[01:35] <mornfall> and without filter-and, the whole concept of filtering the package set down to what you look for is sort of useless
[01:35] <apokryphos> but awkward, since they of course overlap
[01:35] <mornfall> say you look for a new package... you can check only not installed packages right away
[01:36] <apokryphos> yup
[01:36] <mornfall> and then probably using the easy tag filter to cut it down to what you look for
[01:36] <mornfall> possibly using quick filter if you have some useful keyword
[01:36] <apokryphos> not saying it's necessarily a good idea, but have you given tree-view of packages a thought?
[01:36] <mornfall> so one of the most common use-cases involve all 3 of the filters already in an quite useful configuration
[01:36] <apokryphos> kpackage uses this to some extent
[01:37] <mornfall> yes, and i am not doing it
[01:37] <apokryphos> usability for a package-manager is certainly not easy =)
[01:38] <mornfall> the main problem with treeview is, that with few weeks of tweaking the tree, you can get some 1000 items into it, and hope that some reasonable number of users will find something in it
[01:39] <mornfall> and debian has 15x more packages than that anyway
[01:39] <mornfall> (and 1000 is quite pushing it anyway)
[01:39] <mornfall> kubuntu with universe is probably in the same league
[01:40] <mornfall> so, the bottom line: trees don't scale
[01:40] <apokryphos> right, I see
[01:40] <mornfall> see the usability problems with kcontrol and it's *tiny* tree
[01:40] <mornfall> now multiply that 300 times
[01:41] <apokryphos> 8)
[01:42] <mornfall> making the filters go faster would be useful though
[01:42] <mornfall> they are dog-slow right now
[01:42] <apokryphos> which ones? Played with it for a bit and they seemed generally ok
[01:42] <apokryphos> but my system is pretty pacey
[01:43] <mornfall> well, on a slower system with debian repo (15k packages), it gets laggy
[01:43] <mornfall> for my taste, at least
[01:43] <apokryphos> nice to have adept-updater to point people to -- a lot of x-ubuntugnome users seem to love it. Just needs that tray icon :P
[01:44] <mornfall> on todo
[01:44] <apokryphos> 17k here and it happens almost instantly; again, haven't tried on a lower-end system
[01:44] <apokryphos> yup, I saw
[01:44] <mornfall> what's your setup like?
[01:44] <apokryphos> amd64 3400+
[01:44] <mornfall> it is pretty fast on a 3GHz P4, i observed :)
[01:44] <mornfall> ah, yeah
[01:45] <mornfall> on 1.1GHz celeron, it's not so good, and i'd guess 500MHz machine will suffer quite a bit more
[01:45] <apokryphos> indeed
[01:45] <mornfall> but this is something i nearly don't hear complaints about :)
[01:45] <mornfall> which is interesting
[01:45] <mornfall> maybe everyone is either patient or running a high-end box
[01:46] <apokryphos> some people are used to typing something, hitting search, then waiting
[01:46] <apokryphos> so the thought of a dynamic search is still better 8)
[01:50] <mornfall> i need to get some food
[01:51] <apokryphos> enjoy
[01:52] <mornfall> hmm, sux, no bread
[01:52] <mornfall> i'm of course too lazy to go buy some :P
[01:52] <apokryphos> I tend to starve myself from laziness at times too :/
[01:53] <apokryphos> fortunately there's a 24-hour tesco just down the road; great for when the munchies come laaate
[01:55] <mornfall> i even have cheese
[01:55] <mornfall> just no bread
[01:55] <mornfall> bleh :P
[02:13] <mornfall> fried egg with cheese and vinegar'd gherkins was good =)
[02:49] <apokryphos> Riddell: admin mode bug fixed.. I almost don't believe it :P. Was the worst gremlin ever 8)
[02:49] <Lathiat> apokryphos: haha, what was it?
[02:49] <Lathiat> and then really needs to go into updates ;)
[02:49] <apokryphos> Lathiat: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681
[02:50] <Lathiat> apokryphos: also the system settings window sucks if your DPI goes up
[02:50] <Lathiat> allow me to send you a SS
[02:50] <apokryphos> systemsettings has a few lil' things like that, yeah
[02:52] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/ss.png
[02:52] <apokryphos> Lathiat: it just cuts off like that?
[02:52] <apokryphos> Noticed that happened a few times (but not as extreme as that) when Composite was enabled
[02:52] <apokryphos> expanding the window would display things properly, but still -- dodgy.
[02:53] <Lathiat> cutting off?
[02:53] <Lathiat> just the icon font stuff gets messed up
[02:53] <Lathiat> i didnt notice it was being cut off
[02:53] <Lathiat> theres more stuff?
[02:54] <apokryphos> yeah
[02:54] <apokryphos> oh, icons, ok, I see
[02:54] <Lathiat> also i think i filed a bug
[02:54] <Lathiat> i cant remember
[02:54] <Lathiat> when you exit some components
[02:54] <Lathiat> they are reloaded in the background
[02:54] <Lathiat> you notice on ones that popup a dialog, like the network one
[02:54] <Lathiat> and you can't re-enter them
[02:54] <Lathiat> happens if you have un-saved changes, and the dialog pops up
[02:54] <Lathiat> and you hit apply
[02:55] <apokryphos> worth reporting if you didn't already, yeah
[03:17] <Riddell> I just confirmation from someone in KDE that it's sane before I put admin mode fix into updates
[03:22] <jpatrick> Riddell: I have the lastest smb4k packaged for Breezy/Dapper.
[03:23] <Riddell> jpatrick: excellent
[03:24] <Riddell> jpatrick: do you have an account on revu?
[03:24] <jpatrick> Just need somewhere to put the files
[03:24] <jpatrick> Riddell: no
[03:24] <Riddell> jpatrick: /join #ubuntu-motu and poke siretat
[03:25] <jpatrick> Riddell: I need my key signed
[03:25] <jpatrick> Know anyone that lives near Girona, Spain?
[03:28] <jpatrick> that's what the REVU page says on the wiki
[03:28] <_Tonio_> Riddell: I think the key signed isn't required to upload (I can upload and my key isn't signed)
[03:28] <_Tonio_> but it is required that the key is exported to a public keyserver
[03:28] <jpatrick> _Tonio_: My key's on the Ubuntu keysever
[03:29] <_Tonio_> so you have to send an email to siretart giving him the key id, and ideally the server where it is stored
[03:29] <_Tonio_> then it might wok
[03:29] <_Tonio_> when you will want to become a motu, then only the key signing wil be a requirement
[03:30] <jpatrick> 'gpg --keysever keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys F4944AEE'
[03:30] <Riddell> jpatrick: if you're up for packaging moodinis needing done
[03:30] <jpatrick> the moodin engine?
[03:30] <Riddell> yes
[03:31] <jpatrick> Riddell: links on kde-look are broken
[03:31] <_Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't upload yesterday because the libssl-dev isn't resolved...
[03:31] <_Tonio_> Riddell: I will prompt you when the uploads will be done, in case you might want to revu some of the packages
[03:31] <jpatrick> what should I say to siretat?
[03:32] <Riddell> jpatrick: say please give mean account
[03:32] <Tm_T> mean account :o
[03:32] <Riddell> me an
[03:32] <Tm_T> ;)
[03:32] <Riddell> it's lagy here today, too many geeks using this bandwidth
[03:33] <Tm_T> heh
[03:34] <jpatrick> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25705 :- those links are so dead
[03:35] <jpatrick> Or is it my net?
[03:36] <Tm_T> it's me
[03:36] <jpatrick> someone doing the new kdissert?
[03:38] <Riddell> jpatrick: don't think so, checkd ebian and revu
[03:39] <jpatrick> and it got app of the month
[03:39] <Riddell> I know, I run app of the month :)
[03:40] <Riddell> I'm a genius http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/ksplash-engine-moodin_0.4.2.tar.gz
[03:41] <jpatrick> woohoo
[03:44] <jpatrick> now
[03:45] <jpatrick> how does revu work..
[03:46] <Riddell> jpatrick: https://nm.debian.org/gpg_offer.php
[03:47] <jpatrick> people there a miles from me
[04:15] <jpatrick> Riddell: package made
[04:16] <jpatrick> brb
[04:23] <jpat|away> Riddell: so how do I upload?
[04:23] <Riddell> jpat|away: do you have an account on revu?
[04:24] <jpat|away> Riddell: I think
[04:24] <jpat|away> I got accepted
[04:24] <Riddell> debuild -S -sa   and make sure it's signed with the key on revu
[04:24] <Riddell> apt-get install dput
[04:24] <Riddell> dput revu  foo.changes
[04:24] <Riddell> you probably need to add revu to /etc/dput.conf
[04:25] <Riddell> see REVU on wiki
[04:26] <jpat|away> okay
[04:32] <jpat|away> added the things
[04:33] <jpat|away> not sure how to move the *.debs etc
[04:33] <Riddell> don't
[04:33] <Riddell> source uploads only are best
[04:34] <jpat|away> everything but the .deb?
[04:34] <Riddell> yes
[04:34] <Riddell> debuild -S -sa will put the right stuff in the .chnges file
[04:37] <jpat|away> I already have the .changes files
[04:40] <Riddell> jpat|away: and have you uploaded?
[04:41] <jpat|away> Riddell: it's uploading
[04:41] <jpat|away> oh dear: Uploading via ftp ksplash-engine-moodin_0.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[04:42] <jpat|away> Riddell: Successfully uploaded packages.
[04:42] <Riddell> ah well, no problem
[04:42] <jpat|away> that was moodin
[04:42] <jpat|away> now for smb4k
[04:42] <jpat|away> :D
[04:43] <jpat|away> ...uploading...
[04:43] <jpat|away> done.
[04:58] <Riddell> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=842  rocking
[04:59] <jpat|away> :)
[04:59] <jpat|away> where's the other one..
[05:01] <jpatrick> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=843
[05:01] <jpatrick> 'Already in debian/unstable... sync requested'
[05:02] <jpatrick> ah well
[05:24] <\sh> Riddell: ping
[05:43] <mornfall> Riddell times out today
[05:45] <Riddell> mornfall: hmm?
[05:45] <mornfall> oh
[05:45] <mornfall> Riddell: i was pinging you about the feature plan today :)
[05:46] <mornfall> and i seem to be unable to catch mvo online
[05:51] <Riddell> hmm, I don't see mvo about
[05:55] <mornfall> btw, mvo will be pleased to know that we are nearing a working and useful pyhton binding for libapt-front
[07:28] <Tm_T> err, some thing is bothering me in katapult
[07:28] <Tm_T> I can't choose between app and similar named dir?
[07:38] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: I had the same question
[07:38] <Tm_T> annoying
[07:38] <_Tonio_> impossible to launch firefox for example, you are prompted for firefox central if you don't clean the bookmarks.....
[07:38] <_Tonio_> yep
[07:38] <_Tonio_> totally agree
[07:38] <Riddell> mornfall: where is the adept stuff you were tlaking about?
[07:39] <mornfall> Riddell: web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[07:39] <_Tonio_> you should be able to change betwwen different possibilities with tab for example
[07:39] <mornfall> Riddell: the updated feature list
[07:39] <mornfall> Riddell: was soliciting comments around
[07:39] <Tm_T> _Tonio_: or something
[07:39] <mornfall> Riddell: if you have some idea, i want to hear it =)
[07:39] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: or something of course ;)
[07:39] <Tm_T> _Tonio_: and priority would be lovely
[07:39] <Riddell> "Adept 2.0 Feature Plan"?
[07:39] <mornfall> yes
[07:40] <mornfall> that'd be it
[07:40] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: for example binaries prior to bookmarks ? yes, that's a nice idea :)
[07:41] <Riddell> mornfall: there's no recent changes to that right?
[07:42] <_Tonio_> mornfall: I posted a wich conerning the possibility to export and import the system state, like synaptic does...
[07:42] <_Tonio_> mornfall: is that in your plans actually ?
[07:42] <mornfall> Riddell: there are, i changed that yesterday
[07:43] <Riddell> mornfall: got a diff? :)
[07:44] <Riddell> "some sort of version/release policy (pinning)" aah, we were just talking about that
[07:56] <mornfall> Riddell: no diffs sorry, but roughly added: single deb install, ... oh wait, you have a previous snapshot of that list on wiki.ubuntu.com?
[07:57] <mornfall> Riddell: added: simplified installation interface ala gnome-app-install, individual .deb installation (wizard?), bumped konsole hiding before advanced problem resolution algorithm
[07:57] <mornfall> that could be it
[07:59] <mornfall> yes, seems like it
[08:29] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackageManager2
[08:37] <Mez> Roadmapping... across the universe ... (and main)
[09:13] <pef> someone is using kcheckgmail ?