[00:05] <moses> whats the best pdf viewer to install?
[00:16] <DarkriftX> moses: there should be one installed
[00:17] <DarkriftX> okular
[00:20] <moses> there is
[00:20] <moses> i love this OS
[00:20] <moses> crazy
[00:30] <ana_> oi
[00:55] <rtdos> is there a way to launch Akregator minimized (in the system tray) ?
[02:39] <ussher_> in KDE3 the taskbar at the bottom had a > that if you clicked it would suck the bottom screen navigation back into the >.  What is that called? and does KDE4 have this too?
[02:53] <luis_> hello guys can somebody help in here i am trying to open this links:
[02:53] <luis_> Installing Wine:
[02:53] <luis_> Once you have added the WineHQ PPA Repository, you are ready to install.
[02:53] <luis_> To get the most recent Wine 1.3 beta, click this link to install the wine1.3 package.
[02:53] <luis_> To install the older, stable Wine 1.2 version, click this link to install the wine1.2 package.
[02:53] <FloodBotK1> luis_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:54] <luis_> and i get error
[02:55] <luis_> Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (apt) isn't associated with any program.
[02:55] <luis_> can you help me please???
[02:58] <luis_> ok let me try again
[03:01] <luis_> i am tryin to get wine 1.3 i need it to install IE because there's this webpage that works only with it, i already did this: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa i did it for kubuntu hardy and once i did that i think i need to get wine fro here: http://www.winehq.org/download/deb  but whenever i click on those links i get this: Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (apt) isn't associated with any program. is there
[03:01] <luis_> someone here that can help me to fix this so i can get the latest wine please???
[03:01] <FloodBotK1> luis_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:01] <luis_> i aM NOT
[03:01] <luis_> just read
[03:05] <luis_> so anyone in here that know how can i fix this ???
[03:08] <luis_> ???
[03:08] <luis_> :O
[03:15] <valorie> luis, isn't wine in your package search?
[03:16] <valorie> it's always better to use your distro tools
[03:16] <valorie> also, just ignore floodbot, he's just a stupid bot
[03:17] <valorie> also, can't you just change your browser to look like IE for the stupid website?
[03:17] <valorie> opera, at least, used to be able to do this easily
[03:18] <valorie> final question: why are you using such an old version of kubuntu?
[03:21] <dan_____> Hello
[03:21] <dan_____> I have a kubuntu machine using full-disk encryption
[03:21] <dan_____> and I can't seem to access the GRUB menu on startup
[03:21] <dan_____> no matter what key i press
[03:22] <dan_____> any ideas?
[03:24] <valorie> !grup
[03:24] <valorie> oops
[03:24] <valorie> !grub
[03:24] <luis_> hey valorie
[03:24] <luis_> sorry
[03:24] <luis_> i am still looking for a solution
[03:25] <luis_> yes it is but like i am explaining
[03:25] <luis_> i do need the latest
[03:25] <luis_> and i did follow what i place up there
[03:25] <luis_> but some reason the system is not updating so i can get the latest wine
[03:25] <dan_____> !grub2
[03:26] <valorie> Hardy is immensely old
[03:26] <luis_> yes
[03:26] <luis_> like my pc
[03:26] <valorie> ah
[03:26] <luis_> i cannot use the latest kubuntu becauise my computer can't handle them
[03:26] <valorie> might be easier to use a lighter desktop and more up-to-date kernel though
[03:26] <luis_> to heavy for my little procesor
[03:27] <luis_> and with hardy works just fine
[03:27] <valorie> maybe xubuntu?
[03:27] <luis_> no
[03:27] <valorie> ok
[03:27] <luis_> is bad
[03:27] <luis_> and by the way
[03:27] <valorie> not sure you can use new wine with old kubuntu
[03:27] <luis_> i also try that
[03:27] <luis_> the newest
[03:27] <luis_> still can run properly on my pc
[03:27] <luis_> so is there anyother way to use
[03:28] <luis_> ok maybe you can help me
[03:28] <valorie> alrighty
[03:28] <luis_> here is the problem
[03:28] <valorie> I don't think I have that expertise
[03:28] <luis_> i work selling insurance
[03:28] <valorie> !deb
[03:28] <luis_> we at the company have this webpage
[03:28] <valorie> hmmm
[03:28] <luis_> but it won't work with firefox
[03:29] <valorie> so you shouldn't be in firefox
[03:29] <luis_> only with IE
[03:29] <valorie> you should be in your desktop
[03:29] <valorie> when you doubleclick that file
[03:29] <luis_> and i found a way to work it out
[03:29] <luis_> but it does ask for the latest wine
[03:29] <valorie> ok
[03:30] <luis_> that's why i am trying to isntall thelatest
[03:31] <luis_> there's this page that provides support so the latest wine can be installed in kubuntu hardy: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa
[03:31] <luis_> and i did all that just fine
[03:32] <luis_> so when you do that the repositories suppose to be up to date on that specific software but in this case is not happening
[03:32] <luis_> i got no errors at all is just not updating
[03:32] <luis_> porperly
[03:32] <luis_> and also i am trying to get the latest in here: http://www.winehq.org/download/deb
[03:33] <valorie> OK, there are two ways to add software
[03:33] <luis_> but whenever i click on the link that is to ment to get wine1.3 i get this: Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (apt) isn't associated with any program.
[03:33] <valorie> one is within your distro, by using the repositories
[03:34] <luis_> wich is the one i did rioght?
[03:34] <valorie> the other is using debs -- do not confuse the two
[03:34] <valorie> you don't use debs with repositories
[03:34] <luis_> debs is to do it manually right?
[03:34] <luis_> you get the tar file and compile it right?
[03:34] <valorie> yes, and you should only do that if the first method fails
[03:35] <valorie> it isn't clear to me that you have finished the first
[03:35] <valorie> first you add the repository, then you "apt-get update"
[03:35] <luis_> i did that
[03:35] <luis_> once you do that
[03:35] <valorie> then apt-get install wine
[03:35] <luis_> if you open adept manager you suppose to have the latest right?
[03:36] <valorie> if you update adept, sure
[03:36] <luis_> but it is not there
[03:36] <valorie> I've not really ever used adept
[03:36] <luis_> still the old wine
[03:36] <dan_____> the only GUI for GRUB2 configuration right now is the gnome startupmanager?
[03:36] <valorie> apt is one system, adept is another
[03:37] <maco> valorie: not really
[03:37] <luis_> i get wine1.2.1 instead of wine1.3 not even wine1.2.2
[03:37] <valorie> if you updated apt, that doesn't necessarily update adept
[03:37] <maco> valorie: adept is an apt frontend, just like kpackagekit, iirc
[03:37] <valorie> ok
[03:37] <maco> (or synapic, or ubuntu software center, etc, etc)
[03:37] <valorie> maco is much more knowledgeable than I am
[03:37] <maco> i never used adept though. was a gnome user back when that was the thing to use
[03:37] <luis_> so maco can you help me please
[03:38] <luis_> i can use any of them
[03:38] <maco> ahhhh apturl right
[03:38] <maco> hang on....
[03:38] <luis_> but nor one or the other is working to install the latest wine
[03:38] <maco> install apturl-kde
[03:38] <maco> might need to restart firefox
[03:38] <luis_> me?
[03:38] <maco> yes
[03:39] <maco> hmm its that firefox doesnt know about the apturl stuff for kde, only for gnome (*sigh*)
[03:39] <luis_> ok
[03:39] <maco> does it ask what program to use to install the stuff from apt:// protocol?
[03:40] <maco> if so, /usr/bin/apturl-kde
[03:40] <luis_> well terminal says: couldn't find any package whose name or description matched apturl-kde
[03:42] <claydoh> imo attempting to run IE in wine is a thankless and nervewracking task
[03:43] <maco> now thats odd
[03:43] <claydoh> http://www.playonlinux.com is the closest to an easy way to do it
[03:44] <maco> you're not using something more than 2 years old are you?
[03:44] <maco> oooh you are. hardy
[03:44] <luis_> yes
[03:45] <luis_> what about this playonlinux? does that does the same as IE?
[03:45] <maco> there may be someone doing wine backports for hardy, but the apt:// thing the website was having you do is exactly teh same as using the package manager
[03:45] <luis_> so in other words
[03:45] <luis_> i am stuck
[03:45] <maco> so if 1.2.1 is all its offering, thats it for the official repos, though you can try the hardy-backports repo in the software sources settings
[03:45] <luis_> and no way that i can do it
[03:46] <maco> no thats not true
[03:46] <luis_> ok
[03:46] <luis_> so how do i do what you say?
[03:46] <maco> you just cant use an apt:// link... can certainly still download a deb and double click it
[03:46] <maco> but before going that route, id look for a repository that keeps up to date with it
[03:47] <maco> somewhere in your settings (i dont know where as ive never used 8.04's version of kde) there's software sources. thats where you set what mirror you use, wehther you get all updaes or just security ones, etc.
[03:47] <marcelo> hi
[03:47] <luis_> i did this: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa
[03:47] <luis_> for hardy of course
[03:47] <maco> theres a checkbox in there to enable the backports repo, which gets you newer releases of software than what was available when your kubuntu release came out
[03:47] <maco> ah ok you got the ppa, great
[03:47] <luis_> yes
[03:47] <maco> then "sudo apt-get update" and then install wine is all you should need
[03:47] <luis_> thats what i am saying
[03:47] <luis_> i did that
[03:47] <maco> whatever version's in the ppa should become available to you
[03:47] <luis_> but is not updating
[03:48] <luis_> i dont know why
[03:48] <luis_> it doesn't give an errors it just don't update
[03:48] <luis_> i still see wine1.2
[03:48] <luis_> instead of wine1.3
[03:48] <claydoh> luis_: do it from the command line to see an error message if any:
[03:48] <claydoh> sudo apt-get update
[03:48] <luis_> i did that
[03:49] <luis_> several time
[03:49] <luis_> times*
[03:49] <claydoh> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:49] <luis_> and it doesn't work
[03:49] <luis_> ok here is what i did
[03:49] <yofel> that's not the problem - the problems is that that ppa has NO wine 1.3 HARDY packages
[03:49] <maco> 	1.2~winehq0~ubuntu~8.04-0ubuntu1
[03:49] <maco> yep yofel got it
[03:49] <luis_> sudo apt-get update, then upgrade, dist-upgrade, aptitude update, upgrade, dist-upgrade and dafe-upgrade
[03:50] <maco> the ppa only has that version there ^
[03:50] <luis_> all fot them one by one
[03:50] <luis_> that's it
[03:50] <luis_> lol
[03:50] <luis_> after ours and hours
[03:50] <claydoh> yup, yofel is correct there is no 1.3 for hardy
[03:50] <maco> yep
[03:50] <luis_> hahahaha thanks a lot yofel
[03:51] <luis_> still doesn't solve my issue
[03:51] <maco> unless winehq has some stash of debs somewhere, you're going to have to compile wine
[03:51] <valorie> http://www.winehq.org/download/deb
[03:52] <luis_> i also did that but is not working let me paste bin what i got
[03:52] <claydoh> luis_: I still suggest layonlinux
[03:52] <claydoh> http://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html
[03:52] <claydoh> has hardy packages
[03:52] <luis_> ok
[03:52] <luis_> wait
[03:52] <luis_> claydoh
[03:52] <claydoh> and uses wine to install IE, etc
[03:52] <luis_> here is my issue
[03:53] <luis_> at my work we use this thing to get the prices when selling an insurance it is a large company so we get speacial prices but in order to get this we need to get to a special webpage address and that page won't work properly on firefox
[03:54] <luis_> so googlin i found that theres a way to install IE so that web page can work properly
[03:54] <claydoh> but as men tioned it may be easier to change the user-agent string to spoof ie, or try other bowsers
[03:54] <luis_> that playonlinux would do?
[03:54] <claydoh> I have to do this on my work's trianing website
[03:55] <luis_> i also try google-chrome
[03:55] <claydoh> playonlinux uses wine to help install IE among other things, it even downloads wine files if needed
[03:55] <luis_> won't work much less konkeror
[03:55] <luis_> ok let me rry that
[03:55] <luis_> try*
[03:55] <luis_> see you in a while
[03:57] <claydoh> changing the user-agent to 'spoof' IE may also work, as is making sure you have the latest Firefox
[03:58] <claydoh> konqueror in Hardy is quite old and not quite a good broswer back then :)
[03:59] <luis_> never been
[03:59] <luis_> i don't know why they even still use konkeror
[04:00] <luis_> so basically this playonlinux is like wine?
[04:01] <claydoh> it is actually  a decent browser these days
[04:02] <claydoh> playon linux is using wine to do whatever is needed to install IE as well as other things
[04:02] <luis_> ok
[04:02] <claydoh> its just a graphical way of doing it as iirc it is rather complicated process to do manually
[04:03] <luis_> well is is installing it
[04:03] <claydoh> it download whatever it needs to do so, including wine itself
[04:03] <luis_> so once it finish installing i run playonlinux to install IE?
[04:03] <claydoh> I used it last week thinking a site wasn't looking good in ff, konq, etc
[04:04] <claydoh> but it was just a poorly written site that didn't work well in IE either :)
[04:04] <claydoh> yes, and other things as well tho I did not use it for anything else
[04:05] <luis_> that's actually my thinkng as well
[04:06] <luis_> i only need to get that web page working properly
[04:06] <claydoh> luis_: how old is your computer? My laptop is 7+ year old p4 and it runs KDE 4 quite well
[04:06] <claydoh> but i do have 1gb ram
[04:07] <phoenix_firebrd> does anyone experience jumping of mouse cursor in kde 4.6 rc2 ?
[04:07] <claydoh> hopefully i can upgrade to somethin olny 3 or 4 years old soon
[04:08] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: i have the same config
[04:08] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: I don't have any cursor probs
[04:08] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: how much  is your internel graphics card memory
[04:08] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: 8mb radeon
[04:09] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: kde 4.6 rc2?
[04:09] <luis_> ok
[04:09] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: yes, using Natty
[04:09] <luis_> the latest kubuntu
[04:09] <luis_> i hae installed
[04:09] <luis_> and it runs kind of ok
[04:09] <luis_> but for some reason it keeps shooting down on itself after certain time
[04:10] <luis_> that's why i went back to hardy
[04:10] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: my cursor sometimes jumps when it reaches the left corners
[04:11] <luis_> cause it doesn¿t like to be on the spot :P lol
[04:11] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: can you define certain time
[04:11] <luis_> like every 15 minutes
[04:11] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: what version of kde?
[04:11] <luis_> good qustion
[04:12] <luis_> what do you mean
[04:12] <luis_> kde the one that comes with the latest kubuntu
[04:12] <luis_> i have here de iso
[04:12] <luis_> let me see it
[04:12] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: open the file browser dolphin, goto menu ->help->about kde
[04:13] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: there you can see the kde version
[04:13] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: he's on hardy, so that will result in 3.5
[04:13] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i am asking about the one he used before that
[04:13] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: when I put my cursor to the left corner of my screen, it does the 'present windows effect' :) as it is supposed to do by default
[04:14] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: sure, but he'll have to reboot into that for your instructions
[04:14] <luis_> 3.5.10
[04:14] <luis_> thats what i have now
[04:14] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: i never heard of the prevent window effect
[04:15] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: hah present windows rather
[04:15] <luis_> and the one i did actually installed because i want it to have the latest was: 10.04 LTS
[04:15] <phoenix_firebrd> you tried 10.04 lts right?
[04:15] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: you tried 10.04 lts right?
[04:15] <luis_> but with this last one my computer keeps shooting down like every 15 minutes
[04:15] <luis_> even when installing it this i notice was happening
[04:16] <claydoh> imo 10.10 is better quality in terms of KDE version
[04:16] <luis_> let's see
[04:16] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: +1
[04:16] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: try 10.10
[04:16]  * claydoh snoozes, have to get up and move snow in the AM :(
[04:17] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: snow?
[04:17] <luis_> don't have that
[04:17] <luis_> but one thing i can tell you
[04:17] <luis_> i even try debian507
[04:17] <luis_> thats the lates
[04:17] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: where did you get the 10.04 image?
[04:18] <luis_> on kubuntu webpage
[04:19] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: try downloading the latest kubuntu version ie., 10.10 and try it
[04:19] <luis_> you know
[04:19] <luis_> i have been thinking
[04:19] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: the kde in 10.10 is much faster and stable
[04:19] <luis_> maybe is the kde
[04:19] <luis_> faster?
[04:20] <luis_> i like that
[04:20] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: very fast
[04:20] <luis_> let me ask you this
[04:20] <luis_> have you try debian?
[04:20] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: no
[04:20] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: yes, snow. it is winter here :)
[04:20] <claydoh> 'nite!
[04:20] <luis_> it feels so light
[04:20] <luis_> but when browsing
[04:21] <luis_> any aplication runs really fast and smoth on my computer
[04:21] <luis_> but if i go surfing on the web turns to slow
[04:21] <luis_> but i like what you say about the latest kubuntu
[04:22] <luis_> but do you think my coimputer will handle it?
[04:22] <luis_> let me see my computer features
[04:22] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: debian's main  aim is stablity. but the downside is that the proprietary drivers are not packaged
[04:22] <luis_> that is true
[04:23] <luis_> the only way to get the lates kubuntu is burning the iso
[04:23] <luis_> well
[04:23] <luis_> another question
[04:23] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: mine computer config  is p4 3.0 ghz, 1 gb ram and nvidia 9400gt 512 mb, works great for me
[04:23] <luis_> let me tell you mine features
[04:24] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: you can always order the cd, but can you wait till that
[04:26] <luis_> intel pentium 4 cpu 2.40 Ghz cache size 512 KB
[04:27] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: my brother's system is the same one. kubuntu 10.10 works fine
[04:28] <luis_> ok
[04:28] <luis_> now
[04:28] <yofel> yep, I have a p4 2.54GHz with 1GiB RAM and an nvidia 6<something> and it runs 10.10 fine
[04:28] <luis_> my RAM is half of it
[04:28] <luis_> no nvidia
[04:28] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: thats kubuntu
[04:29] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: yes
[04:30] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: kubuntu 10.10's minimum required ram is 256
[04:31] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseNotes
[04:32] <luis_> wow
[04:32] <luis_> than i have another question
[04:32] <luis_> as you know there's this adept manager and it always tells me if i want to upgrade
[04:33] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: sure it wil
[04:33] <luis_> is there a way to do the upgrade to kubuntu10.10 from hardy? on terminal?
[04:33] <JontheEchidna> not directly. You have to go from 8.04 -> 10.04, and then to 10.10
[04:33] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: i think it is possible, but i wont recommend
[04:33] <luis_> cause terminal is faster i think
[04:34] <luis_> so best think is to make a fresh install
[04:34] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: ya
[04:34] <luis_> i got that
[04:35] <luis_> so you are actually telling me that this new kubuntu is way better than the former ones? lucis and karmic? that is also lighter than the former ones?
[04:36] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: there is a new feature called, caching that is used by the latest kde makes it very fast
[04:36] <luis_> mmm i like that
[04:37] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: on jan 26 kde 4.6 is going to be released
[04:38] <luis_> well i think that kde4 is heavy for my computer and that is why with the new version gets slower and also shoot down on its own
[04:38] <luis_> but this kde4.6 is going to be lighter acording to what you are telling me right?
[04:38] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: check you ram
[04:39] <luis_> how do i check my ram?
[04:39] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: when you run the live cd, at the boot menu, there will be an option called , memory test, use that and check for any ram defects
[04:40] <luis_> ooo but that takes ages
[04:40] <luis_> i did that once
[04:40] <luis_> never finished
[04:40] <luis_> i stop my computer
[04:40] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: i think it wont finish
[04:40] <luis_> i left it all night long
[04:40] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: run it for certain time and see it it reports any data loss
[04:41] <luis_> so how do i know if it doesn¿t give a report sorry but for this matters i think i am a little stupid
[04:41] <luis_> certain time like minutes or hours?
[04:42] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: read this .http://www.memtest.org/
[04:42] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: try for 20 or 30 min
[04:42] <luis_> ok
[04:42] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: or what ever the above link says
[04:44] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: see that if the application reports something like 'data lost'
[04:44] <luis_> i see
[04:45] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: i got to go now, bye
[04:46] <luis_> thank you very much
[04:46] <luis_> take care
[05:28] <MadRush2> how do you select which sound card you want to use in 10.04
[05:30] <MadRush2> kind of odd to have an irc channel with 220 people in it but nobody talking
[07:24] <bigbrovar> Hi guys, is anyone else experiencing this bug on Kubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-menubar/+bug/701527
[07:26] <bigbrovar> That bug is really making my experience a nightmare.
[10:29] <monzie> Hello all
[10:34] <mandla> Aparted from gparted what other partition editors are available for Kubuntu 10.10
[10:35] <phoenix_firebrd> mandla: kparted
[10:35] <mandla> phoenix_firebrd: is it available in apt-get repos?
[10:36] <phoenix_firebrd> mandla: no
[10:36] <mandla> phoenix_firebrd: How to i install it?
[10:36] <valorie> partitionmanager
[10:37] <valorie> afaik is already installed in 10.10
[10:38] <mandla> valorie: thanx
[10:38] <phoenix_firebrd> mandla: try this "partition manager" in apt and see if it is installed
[10:38] <phoenix_firebrd> mandla: this will be helpfull to you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disk_partitioning_software
[10:39] <mandla> phoenix_firebrd: yah its installing, thanx
[10:39] <phoenix_firebrd> mandla: welcome
[10:40] <phoenix_firebrd> valorie: do you have gparted
[10:40] <mandla> phoenix_firebrd: so i can format my external HDD with it?
[10:40] <mandla> phoenix_firebrd: gparted is not stable in 10.10
[10:40] <phoenix_firebrd> mandla: you can
[10:40] <phoenix_firebrd> mandla: ya thats the problem
[10:44] <valorie> no, gparted would be a gnome app
[10:44] <valorie> not installed on my system
[10:45] <valorie> kparted doesn't exist anymore, I don't think
[10:45] <valorie> partitionmanager is the new app
[10:46] <valorie> hmmm, but I'm wrong, it isn't installed by default
[10:46] <valorie> sorry for the wrong info
[10:46] <HackeMate> hello
[10:46] <HackeMate> could kubuntu run fluid in pentium4 with 1gb ram?
[10:48] <phoenix_firebrd> HackeMate: mine has the same configuration p4 3.0ghz 1 gb ram, kubuntu 10.10 works fine for me
[10:48] <phoenix_firebrd> HackeMate: what is the gpu?
[10:49] <HackeMate> an intregated one
[10:49] <HackeMate> intel i believe
[10:49] <HackeMate> not gamer computer, just an office one
[10:49] <phoenix_firebrd> HackeMate: the desktop effects wont be nice. so disable it
[10:50] <HackeMate> else will be ok?
[10:50] <phoenix_firebrd> HackeMate: you can do some tweaks to make it faster
[10:50] <HackeMate> i dont mind too much about effects
[10:50] <HackeMate> oh, good
[10:50] <HackeMate> google will advice me i guess
[10:50] <phoenix_firebrd> HackeMate: ya
[10:51] <phoenix_firebrd> HackeMate: search for diabling services and tweaking kde oxygen
[10:52] <phoenix_firebrd> HackeMate: if you are not going to use any sound related things, you can uninstall pulseaudio
[10:54] <HackeMate> okey :)
[11:15] <mantas_Newbie> hello everyone
[11:19] <mantas_Newbie> could anyone help me pls?
[11:20] <valorie> !ask
[11:21] <mantas_Newbie> sorry, im first time here.. new kubuntu user. I need help to add key indicator for changing languages in typing...
[11:23] <mantas_Newbie> I saw some information that u add key indicator by clicking on panel and when "add to panel" in ubuntu.. but it seems it is a little bit different in kubuntu... and i cant find..how to do that.. still googling
[11:24] <mantas_Newbie> !ask checking...
[11:24] <mantas_Newbie> !ask language
[11:25] <mantas_Newbie> !ask keyboard
[11:25] <mantas_Newbie> !ask help
[11:25] <valorie> !language
[11:25] <valorie> heh
[11:26] <valorie> not sure exactly what you are looking for....
[11:26] <valorie> !keyboard
[11:26] <valorie> that might be what you need?
[11:27] <mantas_Newbie> ill check thanks
[11:27] <valorie> the point of a help channel is that those who can help will speak up
[11:27] <mantas_Newbie> xubuntu and kubuntu is the same?
[11:32] <valorie> no, xubuntu uses the xfce desktop, while kubuntu uses the Plasma (KDE) desktop
[11:32] <valorie> like Ubuntu uses the Gnome desktop
[11:33] <valorie> but the *buntu part, yes, that's the same
[11:37] <ct529> hi guys .... i am having so many problems with kwin/xorg and cpu/memory preformance that I switched to icewm .... anyone experiencing similar problems?
[11:39] <ct529> In particular when I have firefox running, my laptop jams constantly .... handfuls of sceond to execute anything .... nothing of that sort with icewm (or gnome even, but icewm miles better)
[11:40] <ct529> windows that freeze for secobnds at a time when maximised and so on .... kde 454 on 1004 lts at 64 bit here
[11:41] <mantas_Newbie> back to my problem: in the link given few minutes ago says to configure /etc/X11/xorg.conf file... but there is no such a file in my kubuntu...
[11:42] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: $ locate xorg.conf returns /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:43] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: try locate
[11:44] <mantas_Newbie> that $ means i have to past to terminal?
[11:44] <mantas_Newbie> paste*
[11:44] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: if you do not have the file that is a bit of a problem then :-D
[11:44] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: yep, in terminal, write "locate xorg.conf" then press "enter"
[11:47] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: what graphic card do you have
[11:47] <mantas_Newbie> i just found xorg.conf.d in usr/share/x11 but thats folder
[11:47] <mantas_Newbie> intergrated
[11:48] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: integrated what? what chip? what version did you install?
[11:48] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: version of kubuntu?
[11:48] <mantas_Newbie> i thought i dont need any drivers in kubuntu
[11:48] <mantas_Newbie> so i did not instal anythinig
[11:48] <mantas_Newbie> 10.10
[11:49] <jelektra> hi
[11:49] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: well, what is your chipset?
[11:49] <mantas_Newbie> if I was in windows.. i could tell chip and other info about graphic card now not sure
[11:49] <jelektra> i just install kubuntu
[11:49] <mantas_Newbie> i ll try to check in asus support for my laptop
[11:51] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: try that: $lspci -v | grep -i vga
[11:51] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: and let me know
[11:52] <mantas_Newbie> gm965/gl960
[11:52] <mantas_Newbie> thats enough?
[11:52] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: good ....
[11:53] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: well, could you please paste the whole line?
[11:53] <mantas_Newbie> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[11:54] <mantas_Newbie> honestly, i  did not write any drivers at all.. should i instal some of them?
[11:54] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: don't worry .... that should be supported, what is the problem?
[11:55] <mantas_Newbie> em... we were looking for graphic driver.. without knowing problem;) i think problem is not related with drivers
[11:55] <mantas_Newbie> as i said before..
[11:56] <mantas_Newbie> i need key indicator or sth like this tthat i could switch languages for typing in office or anywhere else
[11:56] <mantas_Newbie> in more details.. i need english(us) and lithuanian
[11:56] <mantas_Newbie> language layouts
[11:57] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: why are looking at the xorg then? and you must have a xorg.conf file!
[11:57] <mantas_Newbie> somebody here..told me to do that
[11:58] <mantas_Newbie> thats why https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html
[11:58] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: is kde working?
[11:59] <mantas_Newbie> sorry i need explanation how to know that...
[11:59] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: that is very very old help .... forget about it
[11:59] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: are you in the graphicla interface?
[11:59] <mantas_Newbie> i am windows user for about 12 years
[11:59] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: open a terminal
[12:00] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: write "systemsettings" and press "enter"
[12:00] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: go to "hardware" and "input devices"
[12:00] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: go to the tab "layout"
[12:00] <mantas_Newbie> i already using it.. in country/region & language...
[12:00] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: that is what you are looking for
[12:00] <mantas_Newbie> ok
[12:01] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: click on "configure layout"
[12:01] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: click on "add layout"
[12:02] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: choose language "Lithuanian"
[12:02] <mantas_Newbie> thanks a lot
[12:02] <mantas_Newbie> i got that button
[12:02] <mantas_Newbie> on panel;)
[12:03] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: with the arrow put Lithuanian on top of the list, and then click "apply"
[12:03] <mantas_Newbie> ęęėįęėį
[12:03] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: and it is done!
[12:03] <mantas_Newbie> thanks its working
[12:03] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: np, have a good day
[12:03] <mantas_Newbie> thank you a lot.. but i think i will come back here a lot;)
[12:04] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: ;)
[12:05] <mantas_Newbie> so briefly, do i need to instal any drivers and antivirus to kubuntu?;)
[12:09] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: the drivers should be in your kernel .... if you try $dpkg -L xserver-xorg-video-intel, these should be the driver for your card
[12:09] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: as antivirus, the real problem is that you can pass windows virus to other windows machines, but they do not affect linux
[12:09] <mantas_Newbie> any way to make working all buttons for mouse?
[12:10] <vanguard> mantas_Newbie: You might need to install a graphics card driver, you find these in the "Additional Drivers" Program
[12:10] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: you can install clamav , just do $ sudo pat-get install clamav
[12:11] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: let me know whether you have the drivers I mentioned
[12:11] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: that is, let me know what it says when you do $dpkg -L xserver-xorg-video-intel
[12:11] <mantas_Newbie> i got over 20 lines after that
[12:12] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: ok, good it is installed
[12:12] <mantas_Newbie> paths in lines
[12:12] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: you have the drivers .... what is the problem with your mouse?
[12:12] <mantas_Newbie> i cant use back.forward
[12:12] <mantas_Newbie> button
[12:12] <mantas_Newbie> in web browser or dolphin
[12:13] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: sorry, I am lost .... what do you want to do????
[12:13] <mantas_Newbie> u know.. side buttons on mouse?;)
[12:13] <mantas_Newbie> usually u use them for functions as BACK or FORWARD
[12:13] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: no
[12:13] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: I have 3 buttons on the mouse her
[12:14] <vanguard> mantas_Newbie: I know what you mean, but I do not have the solution. But my mouse has 7 buttons ...
[12:14] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: how many buttons do you have?
[12:14] <mantas_Newbie> some mice have 5 buttons
[12:14] <mantas_Newbie> or even more
[12:14] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: what is the model of your mouse?
[12:14] <mantas_Newbie> cordless logitech..  i will findout soon
[12:14] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: it should be under the mouse, on a label
[12:15] <stancke> hello
[12:15] <mantas_Newbie> my label might be under batteries:D
[12:16] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: you can go on logitech website and look for it
[12:16] <ct529> mantas_Newbie:  is this it http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/for-business/products/mice-presentation-devices/devices/4900?
[12:17] <mantas_Newbie> mx 610 laser cordless mouse from logitech
[12:18] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: look at this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-332256.html
[12:18] <mantas_Newbie> again that xorg.conf file
[12:18] <mantas_Newbie> which is missing
[12:19] <mantas_Newbie> in my kubuntu
[12:19] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: and this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input
[12:19] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: did you run the command $locate xorg.conf
[12:19] <mantas_Newbie> yeah it found only xorg.conf.d which looked like folder.. and there wasnt any files like xorg.conf inside
[12:20] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: ok, this is the right guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Logitech_MX610
[12:21] <mantas_Newbie> ubuntu is more popular?
[12:21] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: use this last one
[12:21] <mantas_Newbie> than kubuntu?
[12:21] <mantas_Newbie> so if i need help with kubuntu.. i can look for it in ubuntu forums too yeah?
[12:21] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: it is the same family .... the configuration files are the same for ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, edubuntu, and so on
[12:23] <mantas_Newbie> the latest guide using xorg.conf too
[12:23] <mantas_Newbie> is it usual problem that this file is missing?
[12:23] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: it does not make much difference, there is agood guide here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:24] <mantas_Newbie> what about path like this... /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/examples/xorg.conf
[12:24] <mantas_Newbie> ?
[12:24] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: instead of having only one file, you have different files in the directory xorg.conf.d
[12:24] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: but they are all read as a file
[12:24] <mantas_Newbie> oh
[12:24] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: read the last guide I sent you first, then you read the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Logitech_MX610, and you will probably solve the problem
[12:25] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: if you still have the problem I will be aorund later
[12:29] <ct529> In particular when I have firefox running, my laptop jams constantly .... handfuls of sceond to execute anything .... nothing of that sort with icewm (or gnome even, but icewm miles better)
[12:44] <etidhor> hi all
[12:50] <inan> hi
[13:00] <saivinoba> hi 'uname -p' gives output as 'unknown'. But I get correct info regarding my processor in Slackware. how do i get this info in kubuntu?
[13:03] <ct529> saivinoba: uname -m
[13:04] <ct529> saivinoba: use lscpu as well
[13:04] <saivinoba> ct529: -m just says arch.
[13:05] <saivinoba> lscpu is very informative. thanks
[13:05] <ct529> saivinoba: np
[13:05] <saivinoba> but why dont we get this info in uname? its same in debian and fedora. it works fine in slack and gentoo..
[13:06] <ct529> saivinoba: cpuid gives you the complete extended information
[13:06] <ct529> saivinoba: sudo apt-get install cpuid if you do not have it
[13:06] <ct529> saivinoba: I have no idea why
[13:08] <saivinoba> ct529: i got the info i needed. as for 'why' i will google... thanks :-)
[13:08] <ct529> saivinoba: np
[13:10] <ct529> have to go, bye!
 uname -a
[13:21] <ivan__> hi, is there any problem with kubuntu 10.10? i've it freezing a lot, just mouse work, keyboard and the whole system does not... it's not only my pc, also on another one (complete different system/hardware) from a clean setup
 mine is working well, despite some kde issues
 if your system freezes a lot, could it be video driver issues, which video card are you using?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:36] <ivan__> dsemblano: don't think it's the video card.... here i've a nvidia, on the other an ati
[13:36] <ivan__> i've tried both open and closed drivers
[13:36] <ivan__> with both enabled and disabled effects
[13:39] <BluesKaj> ivan__, hve you instaaled the reommended nvidia drivers in system hardware drivers ?
[13:39] <ivan__> BluesKaj: yes
[13:40] <BluesKaj> my KB is acting up again ...searching for new batteries
[13:41] <BluesKaj> which driver is it ?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> and which nvidia card?
[13:47] <BluesKaj> ivan__, I repeat , which nvivia card and which driver
[13:47] <BluesKaj> err nvidia
[13:48] <ivan__> BluesKaj: sorry, when i tried it was the last recommended available, don't remember the version... now i'm trying with the open one, but it's the same
[13:48] <ivan__> BluesKaj: the card is a nvs 160m
[13:51] <BluesKaj> ivan__, the driver is the 260.19.12 ?
[13:52] <ivan__> BluesKaj: i don't remember
[13:53] <BluesKaj> the nvidia x server settings in the kmenu/system will tell you, ivan__ ...we have to know if it's the correct driver for your card
[13:54] <ivan__> BluesKaj: as i said now i've installed the open driver, so i don't have the closed one anymore, neither the nvidia settings in the system menu
[13:56] <BluesKaj> ok , if that's what you want
[15:02] <GHH> I am having a great problem after removing kdm just for getting console login
[15:02] <GHH> Can someone help me please?
[15:03] <TheBobber> Hi. I installed 10.10 using wubi  but there's a couple of problems... on boot there's a problem with /dev/str1 & just before the logon screen there's a ubuntu-logon messages that has a failed attached to it & then when I try & restart from the logon screen it doesn't... it just goes to a black screen & sits there
[15:03] <GHH> Can someone help me please?
[15:04] <GHH> !wubi.exe
[15:05] <GHH> !kdm
[15:05] <BluesKaj> GHH, sudo service kdm start
[15:06] <BluesKaj> GHH, or startx
[15:06] <GHH> BluesKaj, When i start the pc it giving me alot of thing like debug and hanging
[15:07] <GHH> It is not giving me to type anything
[15:07] <TheBobber> BluesKaj: I think he means he removed kdm & can't get to a command prompt even now
[15:08] <GHH> TheBobber, correct
[15:08] <BluesKaj> GHH, ok reboot , then hold the shift key down to get the grub menu, then choose the recovery kernel and then in the dialog choose fix broken packages and either reboot or startx
[15:08] <GHH> The last line i can remember: fsck linux-util
[15:09] <GHH> dev/sda3:clean,44433/98732,file 908392/395884
[15:10] <GHH> and then taking so long time but nothing happening
[15:10] <BluesKaj> reboot ,and do what I posted above
[15:11] <GHH> OK
[15:11] <GHH> coming back soon
[15:28] <TheBobber> any ideas on the 3 errors I listed? it's a fresh installed booted only to log in screen & no further
[15:33] <BluesKaj> TheBobber, /dev/str1 ?
[15:34] <TheBobber> think that's it... might have muddled the order up
[15:36] <GHH> BluesKaj, no, It is not working and just hanging
[15:38] <GHH> i thought it is working and i waited for 20-30 minute but no. at least i pres the control + alter delete to reboot
[15:40] <rcrane> hi
[15:41] <GHH> BluesKaj, any solve ?
[15:42] <TheBobber> hmm
[15:43] <TheBobber> no that's not it
[15:43] <TheBobber> more like srm?
[15:44] <GHH> srm mean?
[15:44] <BluesKaj> GHH, ok looks like you need to boot in with grub set to nomodeset, this is supposed to help boot into the desktop in low graphics mode where you can then choose the recommended hardware driver in settings. Boot to the grub menu with the shift ket like before , rh right click on the kernel and ' e ' for edit and look for the line with nomodeset , edit ti to to nomodeset=yes
[15:47] <BluesKaj> bbl
[15:47] <GHH> BluesKaj, at this time i have installed 3 OS...... (Ubuntu,Ubuntu(kubuntu-desktop),WINE). I was installed GDM too
[15:48] <BluesKaj> GHH, wine isn't an OS
[15:49] <GHH> But i rm it for the kdm. But i like console(debug)login that is why i rm kdm also
[15:49] <BluesKaj> anyway, I have to go ...BBL
[15:49] <GHH> BluesKaj, wine=windows vista
[15:50] <TheBobber> hmm?
[15:50] <GHH> BluesKaj, What is the right way removing kdm or getting console as default for user login (Please i need your help)
[15:52] <GHH> ?
[15:55] <GHH> TheBobber?
[15:55] <GHH> TheBobber, ?
[15:56] <metallico> guys, how can i get the dekstop cube? I have the cube effect as animation when i switch between my desktops but i cant get into the cube to rotate it..
[16:03] <tsimpson> metallico: I think it defaults to Ctrl+F11
[16:07] <metallico> thank you soo much!
[16:07] <metallico> how can i change that keybord combination?
[16:10] <tsimpson> metallico: from System Setting -> Desktop -> All Effects, there should be a button to the right of "Desktop Cube" to configure the combination
[16:16] <metallico> thank you mate
[16:16] <metallico>  it's not letting me assign control + alt + left click for some reason
[16:17] <tsimpson> it has to be a keyboard combination currently
[16:18] <metallico> i wanted to have just ctrl + alt but that's not possible as well, so i just left it as escape
[16:18] <metallico> will change it later
[16:18] <metallico> thank you very much tsimpson
[16:20] <Daskreech> metallico: ctrl and alt are modifer keys they need to modify something
[16:22] <metallico> ok
[16:41] <mantas_Newbie> hi.. question related with windows xp virtualization on kubuntu 10.10. I used VirtualBox for Ubuntu 10.10 ("Maverick Meerkat") i386. I created virtual disk for windows xp but i cant instal windows as virtualbox do not find any cd/dvd image (*.iso). Anyone could help with this?
[16:59] <mantas_Newbie> can anyone tell me what kind of problem i have here?   Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)
[16:59] <mantas_Newbie> The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Please reinstall the kernel module by executing
[16:59] <mantas_Newbie> '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup'
[16:59] <mantas_Newbie> as root. Users of Ubuntu, Fedora or Mandriva should install the DKMS package first. This package keeps track of Linux kernel changes and recompiles the vboxdrv kernel module if necessary.
[16:59] <FloodBotK1> mantas_Newbie: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:00] <jordi_> hola
[17:04] <mantas_Newbie> can anyone tell me what kind of problem i have here? Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908) The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Please reinstall the kernel module by executing '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup'
[17:04] <mantas_Newbie> as root. Users of Ubuntu, Fedora or Mandriva should install the DKMS package first. This package keeps track of Linux kernel changes and recompiles the vboxdrv kernel module if necessary.
[17:14] <Daskreech> mantas_Newbie: Did you install dkms>
[17:14] <Daskreech> ?
[17:15] <mantas_Newbie> sry what is dkms? i am kubuntu user since yesterday.. so newbie here
[17:17] <Daskreech> Dynamic Kernel Module .. something?
[17:17] <Daskreech> it's what allows low level kernel drivers to exist after startup
[17:17] <mantas_Newbie> no i didnt
[17:18] <mantas_Newbie> can i do it now?
[17:18] <mantas_Newbie> i already created virtual disk.. just cant instal windows to it
[17:26] <mantas_Newbie> can anyone tell me what this means : Please reinstall the kernel module by executing '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' as root.
 on terminal, sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[17:53] <squidy> hi there..
[17:53] <squidy> is there a solution about kde4 proxy authentication details?
[17:54] <squidy> i can't store my username and password in proxy settings
[17:56] <squidy> there is a bugreport for this issue (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232626).. but is there a workaround ?
[17:56] <squidy> it happens since 9.04 (i think).. and now 10.10 it still happens... :-(
 Indeed, always prompt the window which password is saved...
 unfortunately I don't know any workaround
[18:17] <squidy> dsemblano: ok dude.. thx
[18:19] <Darothane> can someone tell me how I stop a window being dragged when i alt-click on it?
 yw
[19:16] <moses> is there software for like taking notes via a touchscreen notebook
[20:30] <vanguard> is there a cli tool that joins all lines into a single one?
[20:34] <vanguard> j/join dev
[20:43] <kyubutsu> is there a way to make [applications] the first kickoff option?
[21:03] <domux__> kyubutsu: yea this option is in the system config
[21:31] <Westyvw> on ubuntu i know how to manage services, what is the method in kubuntu?
[21:43] <HackeMate> hello, i have disabled the knetwork manager because it was messing my eth0
[21:43] <HackeMate> now firefox wont connect until i set up manually /etc/resolv.conf
[21:43] <HackeMate> each time i open session
[21:43] <HackeMate> the ip is configured, but the nameserver no
[21:44] <HackeMate> can i set up the nameserver in /etc/network/interfaces instead?
[21:44] <HackeMate> for some reason       knetworkmanager is still overwritten it
[21:45] <rork> Westyvw: commandline tools work the same as in ubuntu, there are some (kde specific) services you can manage in System Settings > (Advanced >) Service Manager & Autostart (might be renamed in 10.10) but these don't include services like sshd, vsftpd or cups
[21:45] <Westyvw> rork: yep it is sshd that i am looking for. is that the same as ssh-agent?
[21:46] <vanguard> Westyvw: sshd is the server
[21:46] <Westyvw> ok just wondered if they renamed to be ssh-agent, thats a new one to me
[21:47] <Westyvw> so i take it /etc/init.d sshd restart should do
[21:47] <Westyvw> or something along those lines
[21:48] <genii-around> sudo start servicename
[21:55] <peabody> so my laptop backlight has turned off and I can't get it to turn back on. When I reboot, it comes back up until I login to my account, and then it turns back off. I tried creating a new user, and logging in as them, and when they log in the backlight turns off.. wtf
[21:55] <peabody> isabled all the power management "dim backlight" stuff
[21:57] <genii-around> peabody: Is it an ATI card?
[21:57] <peabody> maybe
[21:57] <peabody> it's a Sony laptop
[21:57] <peabody> I thinkATI and not nvidia right?
[21:58] <genii-around> peabody: lspci| grep VGA should say
[21:58] <peabody> I can't read anything in terminal so I can't lspci
[21:58] <peabody> I have no backlight, I can barely see anything on the screen
[21:59] <genii-around> Yes, tricky spot
[22:01] <peabody> can I change the terminaground color to white and text to black?
[22:01] <peabody> *background
[22:02] <genii-around> peabody: Don't you have a key combo like FN-F1   or so that is hardware brightness control? Most laptops have something like it
[22:02] <peabody> yeah, it doesn't do anything
[22:04] <peabody> this is obnoxiously dissapointing, I'll have to look at it later.
[22:04] <peabody> thanks for listening
[22:04] <genii-around> np
[22:59] <sourcemaker> can you tell me, how to enable the gpg-agent?
[23:18] <rtdos> networking question: my dsl modem was running out of network ports so i hooked up a router to move all of my nas devices from the dsl modem to the router and moved one computer to the router. the computer on the router cannot see other devices on my network but can connect to the internet. other devices on my network (that connect through the dsl modem) can no longer see the nas devices which are now attached to the router. how can i get the
[23:18] <rtdos>  nas devices viewable on my network?
[23:21] <genii-around> rtdos: I assume the dsl modem is giving out dhcp numbers?
[23:22] <rtdos> yes
[23:23] <genii-around> rtdos: The problem likely is router gets number and uses modem for nameserver/gateway, but then itself assigns a different range to it's own ports.
[23:24] <rtdos> i disabled dhcp on the router
[23:25] <genii-around> rtdos: The simplest way would be to just turn off dhcp entirely on router, use it as a switch by not plugging it's WAN port into one of the modem's ports
[23:25] <genii-around> eg: modem assigns same range to everything on router
[23:30] <rtdos> so unplug the wan on the router and move the plug over to one of the available ports? (i already have dhcp turned off on the router)
[23:42] <genii-around> rtdos: Yes, exactly. Apologies on lag, work required me
[23:56] <Exilant> using  kubuntu maverick with the latest kde from kubuntu-ppa, i no longer get the new device notifier popup on insertion of a usb stick. Also nothing in dolphin, just oldschool manual mounting is possible. Any ideas how to debug this?


[01:01] <fos> how do I find out how much data is on the hard drive
[01:03] <fos> I'm in the Harrisburg area  are there any user groups around here?
[01:52] <jthan> He left too soon :-(
[02:30] <ChinnoDog> No patience.
[11:30] <rmg51> Morning
[15:07] <rmg51> almost time for me to leave to get my throat cut again..... for the 11th time :P
[15:16] <lazyPower> Morning everyone
[15:46] <rmg51> my ride is here
[15:46] <rmg51> tie to go
[15:46] <rmg51> bye
[15:46] <rmg51> stupid "m"
[16:36] <waltman> throat cut?
[16:42] <waltman> Well, good luck!
[22:46] <rmg51> all done
[22:46] <rmg51> just got home
[22:47] <rmg51> waltman: vocal chord surgey
[22:47] <rmg51> polyps like to grow on them
[22:47] <rmg51> last surgery was three years ago
[22:48] <waltman> yow!
[22:48] <waltman> I hope it went well.
[22:48] <rmg51> seems that way
[22:48] <rmg51> total voice rest for 3 days


[08:18] <mrevell> Hi
[09:17] <bigjools> DNS777: ping
[11:06] <czajkowski> mrevell: so glad my bug on how to suscribe to a bug is confusing to other people also
[11:09] <mrevell> czajkowski: I'm gonna take a look at it this afternoon.
[11:10] <czajkowski> mrevell: :) yay
[11:10] <mrevell> :)
[12:04] <nigelb> mrevell: hehe, cute vid :)
[12:04] <nigelb> where do you find these gems? :P
[12:20] <mrevell> nigelb, It's lodged in my brain as a memory of 1990s Britain :)
[12:21] <nigelb> mrevell: heh :)
[12:25] <nyuszika7h> benji: o_O How did you change topic without being opped?
[12:25] <nyuszika7h> Oh, no +t.
[12:25] <benji> I'm just cool like that.
[12:25] <nyuszika7h> I first thought that you're an IRCop or something, but whois would have shown that,
[12:28] <zyga-siesta> I cannot seem to call launchpad.me.getPPAByName() as anonymous user, is this expected?
[12:29] <wgrant> zyga-siesta: launchpad.me doesn't make sense when anonymous.
[12:29] <wgrant> Since the anonymous user hopefully doesn't have PPAs.
[12:29] <zyga-siesta> wgrant, oh
[12:29] <zyga-siesta> wgrant, so how should I call this?
[12:29] <wgrant> launchpad.people['someperson'].getPPAByName(name='someppa')
[12:30] <zyga-siesta> I just want to avoid having to authenticate as anything, the ppa is public and I will only do read request
[12:30] <zyga-siesta> ?
[12:30] <zyga-siesta> wgrant, I need to know the owner of the PPA?
[12:30] <wgrant> zyga-siesta: Yes. PPA names are local to the owner.
[12:30] <wgrant> eg. the default name is 'ppa'.
[12:30] <zyga-siesta> wgrant, ah
[12:31] <zyga-siesta> wgrant, I know about that, I just misunderstood the ppa
[12:31] <zyga-siesta> wgrant, I used to call "launchpadlib.me.getPPAByName("someuser/ppa")
[12:31] <zyga-siesta> wgrant, the "name" is certainly confusing I'd say
[12:31] <zyga-siesta> ok
[12:31] <wgrant> zyga-siesta: Well, look at what object it is on :)
[12:31] <wgrant> getPPAByName is on person.
[12:33] <zyga-siesta> ah, right
[12:33] <zyga-siesta> I find the API confusing still but that works
[12:33] <zyga-siesta> thanjks
[15:14] <AlecTaylor> hi
[15:14] <AlecTaylor> I'm looking for a good (locally-hostable) Intranet frontend which integrates with Active Directory (including groups). Know of one?
[15:45] <dieck> AlecTaylor: I suppose #launchpad is not the right location to ask about this feature, but Plone interacts nicely with AD
[15:45] <dieck> once set up correctly, which can be a pita
[15:50] <AlecTaylor> Hmm
[15:50] <AlecTaylor> Thanks
[17:27] <cnd> who can I ask about lp:ubuntu/gvfs being out of date?
[17:41] <maxb> http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/ is the first place to check
[17:49] <cnd> maxb: looks like it's due to an error: http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/gvfs.html#2011-07-07 12:41:25.638781
[17:49] <cnd> what should I do with this information?
[17:50] <cnd> is it likely to be fixed any time soon, or should I fall back to creating debdiffs until it is resolved?
[17:50] <maxb> The error can mainly be summed up as the importer having a disagreement with a manually committed revision, and further interacting with what turned out to be an unwise call in setting append_revisions_only on package branches without fully analysing the kind of things the importer does to them
[17:52] <cnd> maxb: thanks for the explanation of the error :), do you know if it is something that will be fixed soon?
[17:53] <maxb> It could probably be fixed right now by backing out the append_revisions_only setting
[17:54] <maxb> Is it something you were hoping to work on right now?
[17:57] <cnd> maxb: I'm trying to help someone else by being a good patch pilot :)
[17:57] <cnd> and they are very responsive right now
[17:58] <cnd> so it would help to have a fix and get the branch updated asap
[17:58] <cnd> but it's not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things
[18:31] <cnd> maxb: thanks for fixing the gvfs branch issue!
[18:31] <maxb> ah, it completed
[18:31] <maxb> I wasn't certain it would :-)
[18:31] <cnd> heh
[20:49] <soren> If someone accidentally posted sensitive information in a bug comment, how can he get it deleted?
[20:49] <soren> File a question against launchpad?
[21:01] <doko> DNS777, may I ask, what you are testing in your PPA? these are mostly packages which do not change. why test them daily?
[21:32] <flacoste> soren: yes
[21:32] <flacoste> soren: specifying the bug and comment number # and an admin will hide the comment
[22:17] <soren> flacoste: Thanks.
[22:18] <mwhudson> not even an admin, any lp developer can do it


[07:33] <mdke> adiroiban1: I don't, I'm afraid. It should be enough simply to install the documentation - does that not work?
[07:33] <adiroiban1> nope
[07:34] <adiroiban1> but I will try again
[07:34] <mdke> the only thing I can think to do is to look at what is happening to the English version
[07:34] <mdke> or a previous release where translations were shipped (jaunty?)
[20:28] <darkham> hi people, i'm a documentation team menber
[20:28] <darkham> how can i request ubuntu pressed cd?
[20:35] <starcraftman> darkham: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu


[00:07] <mup> Bug #1708052 opened: Quick erase doesn't remove md superblock <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1708052>
[00:16] <mup> Bug #1708052 changed: Quick erase doesn't remove md superblock <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1708052>
[00:19] <mup> Bug #1708052 opened: Quick erase doesn't remove md superblock <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1708052>
[05:52] <digv> how to deploy a vm with specific kerenl (4.4.*) in maas?
[06:19] <digv> Deployment of vm with kernel xenial (ga-16.04) is failing. any idea how to resolve this issue?
[11:56] <D4RKS1D3> Hi
[11:57] <D4RKS1D3> Someone knows how to add in the /etc/hosts <IP_ADDRESS>    thenameofthehostname
[12:25] <mup> Bug # changed: 1276945, 1548402, 1609496, 1650396, 1651165, 1652298, 1659982, 1664822, 1665000, 1665057, 1669744, 1678339, 1680795, 1682387, 1682489, 1683765, 1684131, 1684216, 1686678, 1687305, 1690848, 1694759, 1694767, 1695083, 1695229, 1695312, 1699286, 1699864, 1700802, 1701052, 1701056,
[12:25] <mup> 1701694, 1702669, 1702690, 1703403, 1703713, 1703845, 1704489, 1705254, 1705508, 1705654, 1705774, 1705792, 1706196
[16:01] <mup> Bug #1707850 opened: [2.2] MAAS should not mark a node as "Deployed" when cloud-init has some failures <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707850>
[16:14] <mup> Bug #1707850 changed: [2.2] MAAS should not mark a node as "Deployed" when cloud-init has some failures <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707850>
[16:20] <mup> Bug #1707850 opened: [2.2] MAAS should not mark a node as "Deployed" when cloud-init has some failures <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707850>
[17:50] <mup> Bug #1708223 opened: [2.3] Installing from the snap shows a lot of warnings <MAAS:Triaged by danilo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1708223>
[17:50] <mup> Bug #1708227 opened: [2.3, snap] Service 'proxy' failed to start <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1708227>
[18:04] <rvankleeck> I'm having some issues attempting to use maas_client from apiclient in order to create a machine. I can use GET requests just fine, but attempting to post just gives 400: BAD REQUEST. Has anyone had experience doing this?
[19:02] <pmatulis> rvan...
[21:26] <mup> Bug #1708289 opened: [2.3] rackd logs excessively if region is not available <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1708289>
[23:49] <catbus> Hi, this http://paste.ubuntu.com/25229689/ shows centos is installed, but after the reboot, the system bios shows No MBR magic, treating disk as raw.. Booting and stops here, which seems to suggest the centos is installed on a disk which bios doesn't use as boot device. How do I verify this? MAAS 2.2.1 (6078-g2a6d96e-0ubuntu1~16.04.1)


[11:06] <benonsoftware> CrazyLemon: Yeah, he usually appears in here
[11:23] <CrazyLemon> benonsoftware ok... i guess i'll idle here for a bit
[11:23] <CrazyLemon> thanks :)
[11:24] <benonsoftware> :)


[04:12] <uofm49426> need help wiyh windows install 3.02
[04:13] <uofm49426> installed on a fresh xp
[04:14] <uofm49426> it install but when i try to run the program nothing happens
[04:15] <uofm49426> no login nothing is there a required framework or something


[14:26] <djsiegel1> seb128: ok, cool
[14:26] <djsiegel1> seb128: actually I need to do other work lol
[14:26] <seb128> djsiegel1, cycling through active dialogs would work too yes
[14:27] <seb128> djsiegel1, no hurry for that discussion
[14:27] <seb128> I just don't want that to slip through for cycles though
[14:27] <djsiegel1> seb128: no there is a hurry because it came up in user testing
[14:27] <seb128> because you guys are going to be adding lot of noise soon
[14:27] <seb128> you want to remove lot of icons
[14:27] <djsiegel1> right
[14:27] <seb128> like copies, cd recording, etc
[14:28] <djsiegel1> and you want a way to say "I am done interacting with this service"
[14:28] <djsiegel1> "background it"
[14:28] <seb128> it means on a desktop with 2 active dialogs + 1 cd recording + empathy + rhythmbox you would have a 5 tasks cycle for 2 active tasks
[14:28] <seb128> yes
[14:28] <djsiegel1> seb128: why not use workspaces?
[14:28] <djsiegel1> I put the "unimportant windows" in a separate space
[14:29] <seb128> I've 8 of those ;-)
[14:29] <djsiegel1> seb128: so, why doesn't that work for you
[14:29] <djsiegel1> just too hard to manage?
[14:29] <seb128> well let's say I like to have those infos handy and be able to get them on screen without switching context
[14:29] <seb128> changing workspace is an switching context for me
[14:30] <seb128> I tend to organize my workspaces by activities
[14:30] <seb128> but anyway I think most non geek users don't use workspace
[14:30] <seb128> so we ought to do something about the tasks handle on one workspace case for those
[14:30] <seb128> handle -> handling
[16:57] <proppy> Hi, didn't know there was an #ayatana channel :)


[00:08] <chrisirc> Hello. I'm a bzr newbie (well not really, used it a little bit about 10 years ago), trying to get to see all branches in a repo ,i.e. explore a repo.
[00:09] <chrisirc> I'm on Debian and I've installed bzr-explorer with its dependency qbzr.
[00:09] <chrisirc> Those tools sound like they would do what t
[00:09] <chrisirc> I want, but, I can't figure out how to start the,
[00:09] <chrisirc> m, those packages don't have a single entry in any */bin/
[00:09] <chrisirc> directory. (sorry, my return key is funky, triggers all the time.)
[00:10] <chrisirc> Basically I'm looking for the equivalent of "gitk --all".
[00:28] <chrisirc> Can a bzr repository contain multiple branches like Git? How can I list them? "bzr branches" shows 1 line, "* (default)".
[00:28] <chrisirc> Do I need to pass options to "bzr clone" to get more than the default branch?
[00:30] <fullermd_> Running qlog on a dir will find all the branches under it, 'branches' needs -R to work right, clone is just an alias for branch which pulls the given branch (not 'default', as that lacks meaningful meaning)
[00:37] <fullermd_> Or more explicitly, bzr practically never does repository-level operations, it's essentially all branch-level.
[00:38] <bob2> (repos are mostly just a storage space optimisation in bzr)
[00:46] <mgrandi> try just 'bzr explorer' ?
[00:47] <mgrandi> to start bazaar explorer
[00:47] <mgrandi> or any of the 'q<whatever>' commands like fullermd_  said
[01:52] <Rich_Morin> I just installed Bazaar on OSX 10.7.5, using the 2.6.0 installer from http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/MacOSXDownloads  How can I find out where this might have put bzrlib?
[01:55] <fullermd_> bzr version says.
[01:56] <Rich_Morin> bzr version says "ERROR: Couldn't import bzrlib and dependencies.  Please check the directory containing bzrlib is on your PYTHONPATH."  Beeep.
[01:56] <Rich_Morin> recursion: see recursion
[01:57] <fullermd_> OK, so we know the answer is "not where it should be"   :)
[01:57] <Rich_Morin> progress!
[02:00] <Rich_Morin> Well, find(1) found /Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/bzrlib
[02:01] <Rich_Morin> How much of that needs to go in the PYTHONPATH
[02:02] <fullermd_> Up through the 2.6 I think.  Though the real answer should be "none of it", since it sounds more like the bzr install isn't really in sync with your python install, so forcing it may not put you in a good place anyway.
[02:03] <Rich_Morin> The really annoying thing is that I only need Bazaar in order to get a Go library.  So I'm three levels down a stack of incidental complexity.
[02:05] <fullermd_> Maybe you can shortcut that away.
[02:05] <Rich_Morin> ???
[02:05] <fullermd_> What lib where?
[02:06] <Rich_Morin> "launchpad.net/goyaml"
[02:06] <fullermd_> LP has tarball downloads.
[02:07] <fullermd_> For that matter, up top of that page it points at github.
[02:09] <fullermd_> So really, what we need to do is get bzr working and bzr-git installed, so you can use that to get git, and use that to get it   :)
[02:09] <Rich_Morin> erm, which page?  I _have_ git
[02:09] <fullermd_> https://launchpad.net/goyaml says "PROJECT MOVED: https://github.com/go-yaml/go-yaml-v1" right up top.
[02:12] <Rich_Morin> Thanks!  That looks promising.
[02:16] <Rich_Morin> I hope I don't have to understand   yaml.Unmarshal([]byte(data), &t)  just to parse some YAML :-)
[02:16] <fullermd_> Of course not; you just do it in perl instead    ;)
[02:18] <Rich_Morin> Actually, I have this script running in Ruby and Julia, but neither is very fast, so I'm trying Go.
[02:18] <Rich_Morin> I haven't written any Perl in several years, but...
[02:24] <Rich_Morin> Does Go have a simple way to print a data structure, ala Ruby's inspect method?
[02:25] <Rich_Morin> I'm getting '{ {%!s(int=0) []}}' for a hash, which doesn't show me the data...
[02:25] <fullermd_> Dunno.  Getting from "passingly aware" to "working knowledge" of go hasn't get gotten within a loud shout of the top of my todo list.
[02:26] <fullermd_> s/get/yet/
[02:35] <fullermd_> Maybe https://github.com/davecgh/go-spew ?
[02:36] <fullermd_> (from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12540057/is-there-a-go-language-equivalent-to-perls-dumper-method-in-datadumper )
[02:56] <mgrandi> Rich_Morin: sorry for your troubles! thats a mac issue, since they changed what version of python that is called when you just call 'python'
[02:56] <mgrandi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-mac-installers/+bug/731391/comments/25
[02:57] <mgrandi> you just have to edit the top line of the script and make it call python2.6 rather then python
[02:57] <mgrandi> and i have to go, but good luck! =)
[02:57] <Rich_Morin> tnx
[03:19] <Rich_Morin> Fortunately, the library I wanted to install in Go has been moved to another site that doesn't use Bazaar, so I can move on.
[04:17] <JustinZ> OK, I've created my launchpad site, added ssh keys but every time I try "bzr push ...etc" I get "No new revisions or tags to push."
[04:17] <JustinZ> But there are plenty of files in my directory to push
[04:19] <fullermd_> You sure they're not already pushed?
[04:20] <JustinZ> https://code.launchpad.net/~justin-zobel/budgie-desktop/trunk
[04:20] <JustinZ> Says This branch is empty
[04:20] <JustinZ> after bzr push
[04:20] <fullermd_> How many revs are in your local branch?
[04:21] <JustinZ> I'm a complete noob at this so you'll have to explain a little more if you can please.
[04:21] <JustinZ> revs meaning revisions of files?
[04:21] <fullermd_> Yeah.
[04:22] <JustinZ> Well theres about 20 files in the root directory
[04:22] <fullermd_> e.g., how many show up when you run log?
[04:22] <JustinZ> bzr log shows nothing :/
[04:23] <fullermd_> Well, then push did just what it's supposed to   :)
[04:23] <JustinZ> Ooooh
[04:23] <JustinZ> Ok so I did bzr add
[04:23] <fullermd_> push doesn't push files from your dir.  It pushes commits from your branch.
[04:24] <JustinZ> hmm ok
[04:25] <JustinZ> ok so how do I get my files uploaded initially fullermd_ ?
[04:29] <JustinZ> phwoar, may have figured it out
[04:29] <JustinZ> had to set whoami, commit, push
[04:29] <fullermd_> Well, you'd have to commit 'em...
[04:30] <JustinZ> seems to be uploading something somewhere :D
[04:32] <JustinZ> yep got it.
[04:32] <JustinZ> Thank you!


[01:39] <Laney> if I don't see a series when nominating a bug, does that mean that it was previosuly nominated and the task removed?
[01:40] <Laney> oh wait, never mind, it had a pending nomination
[06:33] <wgrant> /i/win 63
[08:53] <effting> Does anyone know if it is possible to have Apport bug reporting enabled for a private PPA in launchpad?
[09:40] <wgrant> effting: PPAs themselves can't have bugs, but AIUI packages can ship a file which tells apport to report bugs against a project instead of an Ubuntu package.
[12:44] <elacheche> Hey!! Am one of 4 administrators in a LP group.. The owner of the group is no longer reachable and his account was expired.. How can I set a new owner for the group..
[12:50] <wgrant> elacheche: File a request at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[12:50] <elacheche> Thx wgrant
[13:13] <dpm> wgrant, have you had the chance to start the utopic language pack export?
[13:21] <wgrant> dpm: Ah, no, let me see.
[13:23] <dpm> ok, thanks
[13:36] <wgrant> dpm: Running.
[13:38] <dpm> awesome, thanks wgrant
[15:53] <sergio-br2> hello
[15:54] <sergio-br2> i make some packages, and put the homepage in the control file, but it does not appears in synaptic or software center
[15:55] <cjohnston> sergio-br2: did you upload the packages to a PPA?
[15:55] <sergio-br2> yeah
[15:55] <sergio-br2> https://launchpad.net/~libretro/+archive/ubuntu/testing
[15:56] <cjohnston> sergio-br2: those won't show up in Software Center (AFAIK).. you would need to add the PPA to your system, update, and then you should see them available to install with apt-get
[15:56] <sergio-br2> it already in my system
[15:57] <sergio-br2> after install, i can see the packages in software center. But i want to see the homepage
[15:58] <sergio-br2> is this right?
[15:58] <sergio-br2> Homepage: https://code.google.com/p/genplus-gx/
[15:59] <sergio-br2> I can see the "Visit Homepage" in many packages in ubuntu, but not for my packages
[16:00] <cjohnston> That sounds correct, I'm not sure the relation for showing up in the software center though..
[16:01] <sergio-br2> all installed programs appears in software center...
[16:02] <sergio-br2> so, the problem is this homepage thing
[16:02] <sergio-br2> is there some config to do in rules?
[16:03] <cjohnston> I'm not sure.
[16:05] <sergio-br2> it has problem if it is https instead http ?
[16:05] <cjohnston> That shouldn't change anything.
[16:11] <sergio-br2> funny, old packages works this homepage thing. Compat 7. For compat 9, it seems not work
[16:13] <sergio-br2> and Standards-Version: 3.8.3 --> 3.9.5
[16:17] <cjwatson> The debhelper compat level has no influence on the handling of the Homepage control field, as far as I know
[16:18] <cjwatson> And Standards-Version affects nothing except lintian
[16:18] <sergio-br2> i had a package sometime ago, that I remember that i update something in debian package, and homepage stop working
[16:18] <sergio-br2> vba-m i think
[18:10] <yofel> hi, is there a problem with the PPA incoming queue? If I try to upload something it just says "Uploading to ppa (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net):" and then hangs.
[18:10] <yofel> I was able to upload something to upload.ubuntu.com, so I don't think it's me
[18:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: I see that too
[18:37] <shadeslayer> wgrant: ^^
[18:37] <yofel> oh well, at least I'm not alone ^^
[18:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: it's working
[18:48] <yofel> indeed :)


[13:38] <mick0> davidcalle: I've managed to get almost all album art to load. Only seen one album not load.
[13:38] <davidcalle> mick0, nice!
[13:39] <davidcalle> Do you have a branch somewhere?
[13:40] <mick0> no. Will try to make one on launchpad.
[14:07] <mick0> davidcalle:
[14:07] <mick0> ops
[14:07] <davidcalle> mick0, yep ?
[14:07] <mick0> davidcalle: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikaelsahlstrom/+junk/unity-scope-spotify
[14:07] <mick0> there
[14:07] <mick0> ^^
[14:09] <mick0> was surprisingly easy to get an branch up on launchpad :)
[14:12] <mhall119> morning
[14:12] <davidcalle> mick0, working nicely here! I love it :)
[14:12] <davidcalle> mhall119, morning
[14:12] <mhall119> davidcalle: I started work on a simpler Python interface for Lenses last night
[14:13] <mhall119> you had said the API would be changing for 12.04 though?
[14:15] <davidcalle> mhall119, yes, it's changing in a few weeks I think.
[14:15] <mhall119> do we know *what* will be changing?
[14:17] <davidcalle> mhall119, not exactly. I know a lot of work has been done around the way model are stored after each search, making it faster to delete previous searches, to have a more fluid instant-search experience.
[14:18] <mhall119> my goal is to make writing lenses as easy as http://paste.ubuntu.com/790552/
[14:18] <mhall119> borrowing somewhat from Django
[14:22] <davidcalle> mhall119, this is really nice! Then we make a GUI around this, integrating good json and xml parsers...
[14:22] <davidcalle> :)
[14:25] <mhall119> a gui huh?
[14:25] <mhall119> I just wanted to hide all the GObject and DBus stuff
[14:26] <davidcalle> Just kidding :)
[14:28] <davidcalle> But I've been thinking about a Gui to design lenses, to see how icons will look like in place. And build the .lens and .scope file easily.
[14:39] <mhall119> you may not need to worry about the .lens and .scope files
[14:40] <mhall119> I've already got singlet building  .lens and .service files based on th Len's Meta inner class
[14:40] <mhall119> I'll be able to do the same for scopes too
[14:40] <davidcalle> mhall119, this is great!
[14:40] <mhall119> that run_lens() at the bottom does it
[14:41] <mhall119> 'python testlens.py' runs the lens daemon
[14:41] <mhall119> but 'python testlens.py make' builds the .lens and .service files
[14:41] <mhall119> 'sudo python testlens.py install' puts them where they need to be
[14:42] <davidcalle> I can't wait to play with it
[14:42] <mhall119> of course, that should really be handled by .deb packaging, but it's convenient for local dev
[14:42] <mhall119> the code, such as it is, is on launchpad
[14:42] <mhall119> the lens daemon isn't working yet, some GObject bug I need to track down
[14:43] <mhall119> but make/install/uninstall work
[14:47] <mhall119> btw, iconlibrary is awesome
[15:10] <davidcalle> mhall119, yeah, I've found it two years ago, and it's amazing.
[15:17] <mhall119> davidcalle: it's working!
[15:18] <davidcalle> mhall119, cool! I will give it a try tonight.
[15:19] <davidcalle> mhall119, do you plan some sort of abstraction on filters?
[15:20] <mhall119> davidcalle: yeah
[15:20] <mhall119> on all of the objects probably
[15:20] <mhall119> but one step at a time ;)
[15:25] <davidcalle> ;)
[15:30] <mhall119> http://ubuntuone.com/4C4PDChsjmAHRsJMIVCdFL is the end result of http://paste.ubuntu.com/790552/
[15:31] <mhall119> next I'm going to re-write my dictionary lens using singlet
[15:32] <davidcalle> Impressive.
[15:35] <mhall119> davidcalle: are you going to try and get the ohscopes stuff in the Precise repos?
[15:36] <davidcalle> mhall119, yes. I can't use .extras for them, as they depend on each other (scopes on lenses) and it's not allowed in .extras.
[15:36] <mhall119> what is .extras?
[15:37] <davidcalle> The archive used for new packages during stable releases ( https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/ )
[15:37] <mhall119> ah
[15:38] <davidcalle> mhall119, the new "recommended way" for new apps in Ubuntu.
[15:41] <mhall119> I thought it was only recommended for non-foss apps
[15:46] <davidcalle> mhall119, I don't think so
[17:13] <mick0> how do I package this python scope for easy install?
[17:16] <davidcalle> mick0, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~davidc3/onehundredscopes/basic-grooveshark/files
[17:17] <davidcalle> mick0, look at MANIFEST, setup.py, and in debian/ changelog, control, copyright
[17:18] <mick0> ok
[17:19] <davidcalle> mick0, then, you can use the One Hundred Scopes project PPA if you want, or a PPA of your own. I'll help you setup one and the automated deb building if you want, too.
[17:21] <mick0> how do I get it into the one hundred scopes project? just change +junk to +onehundredscopes when i push?
[17:23] <davidcalle> yes lp:~username/onehundredscopes/branchname
[17:23] <mick0> ok :) Thanks
[17:32] <mick0> davidcalle: In SPECS there is a field dependencies. As you do have to have the spotify-client-qt package installed to play songs, do I put spotify-client-qt there?
[17:33] <davidcalle> mick0, yes
[17:36] <davidcalle> Oh, SPECS, I thought you meant debian/control . SPECS doesn't really matter for packaging it's a file I used to create when I was thinking about a scope search engine. I don't do it anymore, so it doesn't matter :)
[17:40] <mick0> ok
[17:44] <mick0> davidcalle: who's the upstream author? the music lens author?
[17:44] <davidcalle> mick0, it's you
[17:57] <mick0> davidcalle: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikaelsahlstrom/onehundredscopes/spotify Does it seem correct? :)
[18:04]  * davidcalle is checking
[18:06] <davidcalle> mick0, in debian/control, the spotify-client-qt should be in the depends section, not the build-depends
[18:07] <mick0> oh. changing
[18:09] <davidcalle> mick0, everything else looks good :) In a few hours, when I'm home, I'll test the packaging and push it to the PPA, is it fine with you?
[18:09] <mick0> Sure. Thank you for all the help!
[18:10] <davidcalle> mick0, no problem.
[18:35] <davidcalle> mhall119, with your singlet branch, do you specify the icon in Meta too?
[18:47] <mhall119> davidcalle: not yet, I'm about to add that though
[18:58] <mhall119> davidcalle: you can now, rev 9
[18:58] <mhall119> davidcalle: is there an alternative to 'setsid unity' yet?
[18:59] <davidcalle> mick0, there is an issue in your setup.py file. It doesn't like the umlaut on the o of your name. In the files in debian/ too.
[19:00] <mick0> davidcalle: ok. I'll change it to an normal o then.
[19:00] <davidcalle> mhall119, alt+f2 unity :p
[19:00] <mhall119> I still lose all my window positions though :(
[19:01] <davidcalle> mhall119, I know :(
[19:01] <mhall119> It would be nicer to have a way to reload Unity without restarting Compiz
[19:01] <mhall119> or have it re-read it's lenses
[19:01] <mhall119> unity --refresh
[19:01] <mhall119> something like that
[19:01] <davidcalle> mhall119, yes.
[19:02] <mhall119> at any rate, unity-singlet and unity-dictionary-lens are both pushed
[19:02] <mhall119> dropped about 75 lines of code from unity-dictionary-lens, and hid all the DBus and GObject stuff
[19:02] <davidcalle> mhall119, yes, I've seen it, this is really nice
[19:03] <mhall119> well, almost all of it, there's still a GObject.idle_add in handle_uri()
[19:07] <mick0> davidcalle: Fixed.
[19:29] <andyrock> bschaefer, hi
[19:29] <andyrock> around?
[19:54] <bschaefer> andyrock, yup just got on
[20:06] <andyrock> i'm wondering what happens with your alt+f1 branch if you try to disable nautilus desktop
[20:06] <andyrock> bschaefer, ^^^
[20:06] <andyrock> using gnome twek tool
[20:06] <andyrock> *tweak
[20:07] <bschaefer> andyrock, hmm not sure
[20:07] <bschaefer> andyrock, ive never used that tool before
[20:08] <andyrock> i mean: disable nautilus desktop, alt+f1, click on desktop
[20:08] <andyrock> if i'm not wrong
[20:08] <andyrock> alt+f1 should be ON
[20:08] <bschaefer> andyrock, i just started downloading/installing the tweak tool
[20:08] <andyrock> ok let me know
[20:09] <bschaefer> andyrock, yeah cause if it doesn't change the focus that could be a problem
[20:09] <andyrock> it should not change the focus because there is no window
[20:10] <andyrock> nautilus desktop should be a window
[20:10] <andyrock> we have the same problem with the title bar
[20:10] <andyrock> disabling nautilus desktop
[20:10] <bschaefer> andyrock, hmm yeah, then wouldn't show desktop fail?
[20:12] <andyrock> mmm, do you mean show desktop icon?
[20:12] <bschaefer> andyrock, yup it does not exit from key nav mode
[20:12] <bschaefer> hm
[20:13] <bschaefer> andyrock, yes, and I ment the title bar as it still shows the last active window
[20:13] <bschaefer> andyrock, which is what you just said earlier haha
[20:16] <bschaefer> andyrock, how often do you think that will be the case? Why would you not want natilus to handle the desktop?
[20:21] <andyrock> bschaefer,  it's a low priority bug
[20:22] <bschaefer> andyrock, hmm yeah. Also I got the manual test cases pushed for the branch if you also want to review it
[20:22] <andyrock> and i really don't know why someone should disable nautilus desktop
[20:22] <andyrock> bschaefer, smspillaz approved it right?
[20:23] <bschaefer> andyrock, sam already approved it
[20:23] <bschaefer> yeah
[20:23] <bschaefer> but the more the better haha :)
[20:27] <bschaefer> andyrock, I've got to go run a few errands, thanks and ill be back in a few hours. (if you are still up)
[20:30] <andyrock> i think i won't be here... with my dad around (i'm at home during the xmas holidays) i cannot go to bad at 5:00 AM :/
[20:31] <bschaefer> andyrock, haha well dam you'll have to tell me about the college system over there tomorrow
[20:31] <bschaefer> ill be on earlier, c ya later!
[20:31] <andyrock> see you


[08:58]  * enyc meows
[08:59]  * enyc hrrms at the fun that happened with thunderbird securuity updates on older ubuntu......