[01:04] <phenomx3> hi
[01:07] <administrator__> I need some help with thin client I have 10.4 running the thin client boots splash screen shows correctly login and everything is upside down and backwards I know it sound funny but it is happening any help would be appreciated. thanks jc
[01:11] <administrator__> I need some help with thin client I have 10.4 running the thin client boots splash screen shows correctly login and everything is upside down and backwards I know it sound funny but it is happening any help would be appreciated. thanks jc
[01:11] <administrator__> anyone out there
[01:19] <blip99> hi all, I have some strange problems that started happening yesterday, sometimes have to click widget config buttons or close buttons twice for them to respond.  Also my "start button" pops up the menu in the top left corner of th escreen rather than above the button.  Should I perhaps delete all plasma related config files in ~/.kde/share/apps/ and have KDE recreate ?
[01:20] <blip99> hmm some task list entries need to be clicked twice for hte window to come up also
[02:55] <OrnateHybrid> Boy it's quiet tonight
[02:57] <dennister> yep
[02:57] <dennister> i haven't been here lately myself, but am searching for a way to geo-block my location from websites
[02:58] <dennister> it's nobody's business if i live in canada or the us

[02:59] <dennister> anyone know of any other solutions than using a proxy server?
[03:16] <OrnateHybrid> You could live on the border of Canada and the US
[03:16] <OrnateHybrid> That would fool them
[03:19] <Soul_Sample> hi, can anyone help me configure phonon in kubuntu? i cannot do it whatever i try, i always end up losing sound
[03:20] <OrnateHybrid> Soul, I can't say I've ever used Phonon, or know what it is for that matter
[03:20] <OrnateHybrid> But I'll do my best to look into the problem :D
[03:20] <Soul_Sample> the default configuration after installing works
[03:21] <Soul_Sample> but only partially - when I start more than one audio appliation, i lose all sound
[03:21] <Soul_Sample> sometimes miro breaks the sound, sometimes amarok
[03:21] <Soul_Sample> it's totally random. i even tried pulseaudio, same issue
[03:21] <OrnateHybrid> Hmm, strange
[03:21] <OrnateHybrid> I'm reading the wiki on Phonon right now
[03:21] <OrnateHybrid> can't say if I'll be any help or not
[03:21] <OrnateHybrid> I've only been using Kubuntu for about a month probably
[03:22] <OrnateHybrid> Actually, I'm about to change my HD over to Ubuntu
[03:22] <OrnateHybrid> and give it a try
[03:22] <Soul_Sample> well, if your sound works properly, we can start from there :)
[03:22] <OrnateHybrid> xD
[03:22] <OrnateHybrid> I very rarely use sound on my computer for some strange reason
[03:22] <OrnateHybrid> Maybe cause I have an iPod stero set
[03:22] <OrnateHybrid> stereo set*
[03:22] <OrnateHybrid> with a wireless, powered subwoofer
[03:22] <OrnateHybrid> That satiates my audio needs :P
[03:23] <Soul_Sample> i watch a lot of youtube, watch a lot of series, and it's really a problem when I get a message on my messenger and that tiny sound breaks the whole sound system
[03:24] <OrnateHybrid> There is some possibility that your audio device has a rather crappy driver for Linux
[03:24] <OrnateHybrid> My computer's WiFi card has a rather sketchy driver from Kubuntu
[03:24] <OrnateHybrid> and it cancrap out sometimes
[03:24] <Soul_Sample> it works perfectly under gnome
[03:24] <OrnateHybrid> and my wireless N adapter has no drivers at all
[03:24] <Soul_Sample> so, i don't know
[03:24] <OrnateHybrid> I'd think there is no difference between the desktop environments
[03:25] <OrnateHybrid> I believe they have the same core functionality
[03:25] <Soul_Sample> well yes, except kde uses phonon, and gnome uses pulseaudio by default
[03:25] <Soul_Sample> and it seems it's a pain to make them switch
[03:25] <OrnateHybrid> This thread may provide some useful information
[03:25] <OrnateHybrid> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/gaming-games-multimedia-entertainment/142121-solved-no-sound-kubuntu.html
[03:25] <OrnateHybrid> Though you might have already read it
[03:27] <Soul_Sample> well, this guy basically switched his sound card with another :D
[03:35] <OrnateHybrid> Yeah
[03:35] <OrnateHybrid> I wouldn't be suprise if the issue was with your sound card's driver
[03:35] <OrnateHybrid> :S
[03:35] <OrnateHybrid> And alot of proprietary hardware doesn't provide Linux drivers
[03:37] <OrnateHybrid> Ubuntu is 699.4 mb
[03:37] <OrnateHybrid> and my CD is 700 MB
[03:37] <OrnateHybrid> this will be a tight fit
[03:45] <AndChat-> My cable moden only connects if fully ready b4 I boot my PC(any OS). Can I use linux to fool it to think I just rebooted?
[04:01] <AndChat-> Fixed, thanks ya'll
[04:18] <zeeshan> hi
[04:18] <zeeshan> h ru
[04:18] <zeeshan> wana chat
[04:19] <bazhang> zeeshan, have a kubuntu support question?
[04:21] <escalona> es?
[04:21] <bazhang> !es | escalona
[05:23] <ikon> need a tip, I previously installed kubuntu over ubuntu, I updated, through apt, to kde 4.5 but when I reboot it's still running 4.4
[05:23] <ikon> when I run another apt-get upgrade it still shows all the new kde packages as "held back"
[05:25] <ikon> maybe I need to update gdm, or whatever it uses, to launch kde 4.5 instead of 4.4?
[05:32] <sobczyk> anyone got problem with bluetooth + nokia phone? (n900) I cant send any files to my pc, buth other phone works, also n900 to other phone works
[06:05] <contrast> Greets, everyone... Is anyone using desktop search without issue in KDE 4.5?
[06:17] <otto__> hey, i can't get my microphone to work, any suggestions?
[06:37] <otto__> can anybody hear me?
[06:37] <harolddong> using the actual search box doesnt work for me, but tagging and searching other ways works fine
[06:37] <DarthFrog> otto__: No, it seems your mike isn't working. :-)
[06:38] <otto__> grudging lol
[06:40] <DarthFrog> otto__: The only suggestion I have would be to use the mixer app to unmute your mike, if it's muted.
[06:41] <DarthFrog> If you haven't already done that, that is.
[06:47] <otto__> unfortunately kmix won't start
[06:48] <well_laid_lawn> alsamixer in konsole then :]
[06:48] <well_laid_lawn> I think you hit F4 for capture cards
[06:48] <well_laid_lawn> it'll tell you on the alsamixer screen
[06:50] <moyss> hola
[06:54] <otto__> tried raisng the mic, Capture, and Capture1 levels, didn't do anything
[07:02] <well_laid_lawn> otto__: does   arecord -l   show the mic?
[07:23] <otto__> here's my output from arecord -l http://pastebin.com/2LcJ3LU
[07:24] <well_laid_lawn> k
[07:24] <well_laid_lawn> otto__: I missed the paste it has expired
[07:25] <well_laid_lawn> - Unknown paste ID, it may have expired or been deleted!
[07:26] <otto__> oops http://pastebin.com/2LcJ3LUV
[07:26] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[07:27] <well_laid_lawn> so that's front and back inputs for the mic on the onboard sound
[07:27] <well_laid_lawn> funny it doesn't turn up in capture cards in alsamixer...
[07:29] <otto__> how do you know it doesn't turn up?
[07:30] <well_laid_lawn> otto__> tried raisng the mic, Capture, and Capture1 levels, didn't do anything
[07:30] <well_laid_lawn> ^^from this - did you try F4 in alsamixer?
[07:31] <otto__> yeah i raised every bar that appears in the capture screen
[07:32] <otto__> what do you mean by front and back inputs?
[07:33] <well_laid_lawn> otto__: the arecord -l found two inputs for the onboard sound card
[07:34] <otto__> what's the difference between a front input and a back input?
[07:35] <well_laid_lawn> the front one is at the front of your computer and the back on you have to reach around the back to get to
[07:35] <well_laid_lawn> one*
[07:58] <otto__> i see
[07:58] <otto__> got it working by hitting space bar to activate capture
[08:10] <bambule___> hello, i am running kubuntu10.04 with KDE4.5. i have the problem that my xorg is more or less constantly hogging the CPU. as far as i remember this problem started when i updated to 10.04 and is not related to the recent 4.5 kde update
[08:11] <bambule___> things are more or less slugish all the time and also the CPU fan never stops
[08:11] <bambule___> any idea how i can start to debug this?
[08:12] <bambule___> i have already disabled compositing which helped a bit (before kwin was also constantly eating 2-6% cpu)
[08:21] <well_laid_lawn> bambule___: you can, in konsole, run   top   to see what is using the cpu
[08:33] <bambule___> well_laid_lawn: well, mostly xorg and kwin
[08:35] <well_laid_lawn> bambule___: what's the graphic card?
[08:36] <bambule___> well_laid_lawn: nvidia Quadro FX 570M/PCI/SSE2
[08:38] <well_laid_lawn> bambule___: using the opensource driver or the proprietry one/
[08:39] <bambule___> well_laid_lawn: the proprietry one
[08:40] <well_laid_lawn> bambule___: it is not something I've experienced but from what I've seen on here those that have this issue mostly have luck when they change driver
[08:41] <bambule___> well_laid_lawn: ok, ill try
[08:41] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[09:58] <Blackbeard> hallo
[10:11] <dhq> need help setting up 5.1 sound on my laptop
[10:16] <rork> !sound
[10:17] <rork> I can't help you with that but someone else might when (s)he picks up the message, in the mean time I hope the documents above can help you further
[10:33] <dhq> rork: i have a 5.1 card on my laptop, one port switches between mic and speaker, but how do i do this in kubuntu
[10:34] <rork> dhq: I have no idea
[10:34] <dhq> hmmm :(
[10:34] <dhq> thankx anyway :)
[10:37] <eMyller> Please check your GHNS on colore schemes. :)
[10:37] <Peace-> !sorrund
[10:37] <eMyller> ** color
[10:38] <Peace-> dhq: ?
[10:38] <Peace-> !sound | dhq
[10:38] <dhq> Peace-: it dint see to help
[10:39] <Peace-> explain better your prolbem
[10:40] <dhq> Peace-: i have a dell XPS m1530, it has 3 3.5mm ports,
[10:41] <dhq> when i was on 9.10, i could use 5.1 surround, but now one of the ports remains as mic and i cant switch it to line out
[10:42] <Peace-> dhq: audio card?
[10:42] <Peace-> dhq: have you configured kmix ?
[10:42] <dhq> yes i showed  all the devices there
[10:42] <dhq> and unmuted them
[10:43] <Peace-> well there are 2 things to check
[10:43] <Peace-> one is alsamixer -V all
[10:43] <Peace-> in a terminal
[10:44] <Peace-> then maybe you need to do something about 5.1 surround
[10:45] <dhq> see before i had an option in mic jack (line in, mic in, line out) now i have no line out
[10:45] <Peace-> dhq: have you checked this ^? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SurroundSound
[10:46] <dhq> Peace-: do i install pulse audio
[10:46] <Peace-> mm
[10:46] <Peace-> wait
[10:47] <Peace-> dhq: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3112206.0
[10:48] <Peace-> eat time
[10:49] <poyntz> does Alt+F2 work in lucid lynx?
[10:50] <well_laid_lawn> should do
[10:50] <poyntz> it doesn't for me :/
[10:50] <poyntz> as in the launcher comes up
[10:50] <poyntz> but if i enter any program name in it doesn't launch when i tap enter
[10:50] <dhq> Peace-: so i install pulse audio
[10:51] <well_laid_lawn> poyntz: in konsole what does   $PATH   return?
[10:56] <dario_> hi
[10:57] <dario_> i can't get phpmyadmin running on kubuntu 10.4, though it's insalled with kPackageKit. Any idea how to get it to work?
[11:04] <Peace-> poyntz: it works here.
[11:04] <Peace-> poyntz: type konsole
[11:10] <dario_> i can't get phpmyadmin running on kubuntu 10.4, though it's insalled with kPackageKit. Any idea where the config-file is?
[11:12] <well_laid_lawn> dario_: if noone here knows try in #ubuntu-server maybe
[11:13] <poyntz> Peace-: didn't work
[11:13] <dario_> thx
[11:14] <phoenix_> hello well_laid_lawn
[11:14] <poyntz> Peace-: or ya want me to try somethin in konsole
[11:14] <poyntz> Peace-: do ya kno wat packages Alt+F2 requires?
[11:14] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix_: hello :]
[11:16] <dhq> Peace-: :( still no luck
[11:18] <phoenix_> !qt
[11:18] <poyntz> !info Alt+F2
[11:19] <poyntz> !Alt+F2
[11:19] <well_laid_lawn> poyntz: alt+F2 makes the app krun
[11:19] <well_laid_lawn> !find krun
[11:20] <poyntz> well_laid_lawn: i must be missing a package
[11:20] <well_laid_lawn> poyntz: in konsole run   krun   and check for errors
[11:22] <poyntz> No command 'krun' found
[11:25] <well_laid_lawn> poyntz: in konsole what does   $PATH   return?
[12:01] <darklord_> hi all
[12:02] <darklord_> what irc client do you use / recommend ?
[12:08] <well_laid_lawn> darklord_: irrsi seems popular
[13:03] <amichair> if kubuntu hangs at the splash screen, is there any way to see the console output so I can try to find out what's wrong?
[13:28] <BluesKaj> 'morning
[13:33] <amichair> hey BluesKaj
[13:34] <BluesKaj> hi amichair
[13:46] <emilton> alguem sabe como instalar o flash player no ubuntun 5
[13:53] <amichair> !flash
[13:56] <amichair> how can I figure out what's happening when the kubuntu splash screen hangs for a very longs time (but I hear the HD working a bit)?
[13:57] <petr> hi
[13:57] <dfhfdhfdh> hi
[13:57] <James147> amichair: bootup or login splash?
[13:57] <amichair> James147: bootup
[13:57] <dfhfdhfdh> when I open one site in LINUX  it is work!   but in WINDOWS brouser write NOT FOUND!!!!   WHAT?
[13:58] <dfhfdhfdh> HOW IS IT POSSIBLE????????????
[13:58] <James147> amichair: how do you define a "very long time"?
[13:58] <amichair> James147: 20-30 mins
[13:58] <dfhfdhfdh> please tell me
[13:58] <James147> amichair: yeah, thats way too long :)
[13:58] <amichair> well, it came out of it once, the other times I didn't wait
[13:58] <James147> dfhfdhfdh: for problems with windows see ##windows
[13:59] <James147> amichair: you can try booting to recovery mode... that will at least show you what its doing
[13:59] <James147> (hold shift during boot to bring up the grub menu)
[14:00] <dfhfdhfdh> no...  I want not to go in this channel...
[14:00] <amichair> James147: it's an upgraded system, so grub legacy - would that be shift or escape?
[14:00] <dfhfdhfdh> it is inpossible....   firefoxz of windows can not find  but firefox of linux find
[14:00] <James147> amichair: ecs them I think
[14:01] <James147> esc ^^
[14:01] <rork> dfhfdhfdh: which site?
[14:01] <dfhfdhfdh> plines.ru
[14:01] <dfhfdhfdh> rork but if you have only linux you do not see it
[14:02] <amichair> James147: what's the difference between recovery and regular mode other than debug info?
[14:03] <James147> amichair: allot of things arnt loaded in recovery mode so that it can boot if soemthing non critical is stopping it booting
[14:03] <James147> amichair: ...
[14:03] <James147> amichair: ^^ thinking aobut that it might not show you whats wrong ;) but at least will let you in the system quickly if it dosent
[14:04] <rork> dfhfdhfdh: that site works fine on windows/ie (there's no firefox on that computer :S)
[14:04] <amichair> ok, I tried it, at the menu chose 'resume', and now I'm at a tty and there's no gui, and at least as far as fits on the screen (any way to scroll up?) everything is OK
[14:04] <BluesKaj> dfhfdhfdh,if you just installed kubuntu , then do sudo update-grub in the terminal
[14:04] <dfhfdhfdh> rork  may be my windows die....
[14:05] <dfhfdhfdh> BluesKaj .
[14:05] <rork> dfhfdhfdh: do any other websites work then?
[14:05] <James147> amichair: for an actual boot you might want to lookinto configuring the system to show a text boot rather then graphical (not sure how to do that exactly sorry, but I think plymouth handel the boot splash screen)
[14:05] <dfhfdhfdh> I restarted 3 times and linux show but windows do not
[14:05] <dfhfdhfdh> yes
[14:05] <dfhfdhfdh> ))) other sites work
[14:05] <BluesKaj> oops sry dfhfdhfdh , I misread
[14:06] <dfhfdhfdh> but windows work slowly slowly....  I think I should reinstall windows
[14:07] <dfhfdhfdh> BluesKaj ?    try under windows and say me
[14:07] <James147> amichair: (although I have a feeling that if you uninstall plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo it will default to the text boot screen ;)  there might be a way to temporly change it though but I do not know how)
[14:09] <dfhfdhfdh> BluesKaj restart you system and start with windows ....  I am waiting for you
[14:09] <dfhfdhfdh> and check it
[14:09] <BluesKaj> no, i'm on my server , no windows partition here
[14:09] <James147> dfhfdhfdh: this is not a windows support channel... if you having problems with that see ##windows
[14:10] <BluesKaj> !ru | dfhfdhfdh
[14:10] <amichair> James147: when I ctrl-alt-f7, I see a tty (graphicy-style) with a bunch of udevd warnings from etc/udev/rules.d/45-libnjb5.rules, any idea what this is about?
[14:11] <James147> amichair: not sure
[14:11] <James147> amichair: although if your in recover mode ther is no kdm there because kdm hasent been started yet
[14:11] <amichair> ah
[14:11] <James147> amichair: (sudo start kdm will start it)
[14:12] <dfhfdhfdh> ah
[14:12] <amichair> it works!
[14:12] <James147> amichair: did it boot fine though?
[14:12] <amichair> looks like it
[14:12] <amichair> now I'll try rebooting again in normal mode, see if it sticks
[14:12] <James147> amichair: I would try to disable the plymouth graphical theme then and reboot into the normal mode
[14:13] <James147> amichair: ^^ that way if it hangs you should see where
[14:13] <amichair> disclaimer: I'm after a HDD clone/upgrade, fwiw
[14:14] <amichair> nope, looks stuck like before. 5 blue dots on the splash screen
[14:15] <James147> amichair: boot in recovery and uninstall "plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo" that should remove the fancy splash screena nd default to the text one so you can see what it gets stuck on
[14:15] <James147> (its probally possibly to disable it rather then uninstall but I do not know how, you can reintsll it after to restore it again)
[14:16] <amichair> I'll try (maybe quiet or nosplash or something in the boot command?)
[14:17] <James147> amichair: that will probally also work
[14:17] <James147> amichair: well, i would try without quite (we want ti to be noisy :D)
[14:17] <amichair> yep, I erased both 'splash' and 'quiet' from the boot command... we learned something today :-)
[14:18] <James147> :D
[14:18] <amichair> and it just did the whole boot ok. I'll give it another restart... maybe it works every other time
[14:22] <weedar> Hi, I have KDE 4.5, and somehow the system tray got moved to the left - I can't seem to move it to the right, is this a known bug or am I not doing it right? :)
[14:23] <James147> weedar: to move widgets you need to open the panel settings or add widgets window
[14:23] <James147> then you can drag them around
[14:24] <BluesKaj> weedar, add a taskbar to the middle
[14:24] <weedar> James147: I've done that, and then I can click on the system tray and its name is displayed above it. After clicking it follows my mouse pointer, but if I click again when I have the mouse pointer on the far right of my panel it instantly moves back to the left
[14:25] <weedar> BluesKaj: ah, brilliant! That also answered my next question, thanks! :)
[14:25] <BluesKaj> weedar, you have to open the panel toolbox , cashew icon
[14:25] <mfraz74> weedar: have you tried removing the panel and creating a new panel?
[14:26] <James147> weedar: drag it further untill there is an indication of where it will drop...
[14:27] <James147> hmm, now mine seems to be stuck as well :D
[14:28] <James147> weedar: mine got stuck on the left hand side of the screena for a min :) draging a widget to the left of it seems to let me move it again
[14:29] <weedar> Thanks guys, but BluesKaj was right - the reason I couldn't move it was because my taskbar was missing
[14:29] <weedar> I had some friends over yesterday, I think one of them deleted my taskbar by mistake
[14:29] <amichair> James147: reinstalled plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo and now it booted properly twice in a row :-)
[14:29] <James147> then that means I found a different bug :D
[14:30] <James147> amichair: :D
[14:30] <amichair> I guess it doesn't like being cloned onto another disk for some reason
[14:30] <amichair> James147: thanks for your help! (as always :-) )
[14:31] <James147> can anyone confirm this: in kde 4.5 when I drag a widget to the far left it gets stuck there (unable to drag it to a new location) draging a widget to the left of the stuck widget frees it
[14:37] <BluesKaj> James147, , try moving the slider to the center panel position , after opening the panel toolbox
[14:38] <dfhfdhfdh> HELLO
[14:38] <dfhfdhfdh> adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm   trough witch programm I can install it?
[14:39] <James147> BluesKaj: dosnt help ^^ its not a major problem, just wanted to see if anyone could confirm it before i send a bug report
[14:40] <Bauldrick> Hi, I have Ubuntu netbook installed, but would like to use kubuntu-netbook - do i just install plasma-netbook?
[14:40] <James147> BluesKaj: seems like the left most widget wont let me reposition it (i can drag ti but it snaps back to its positions no matter where i put it, no indication of a dropspot changing either)
[14:40] <DarthFrog> dfhfdhfdh:  RPM (Redhat Package Manager) archives are not intended for Ubuntu or other Debian based systems.
[14:40] <dfhfdhfdh> DarthFrog I use kubuntu
[14:40] <dfhfdhfdh> DarthFrog so ?
[14:41] <James147> Bauldrick: I would install "kubuntu-netbook"
[14:41] <dfhfdhfdh> DarthFrog so it is inpossible?
[14:41] <DarthFrog> dfhfdhfdh: Well, you could try to convert it to a DEB archive using "alien".
[14:41] <DarthFrog> Not impossible.
[14:41] <DarthFrog> But you could cause yourself some problems.
[14:42] <dfhfdhfdh> DarthFrog opk  I download DEB-archive better )))
[14:42] <DarthFrog> dfhfdhfdh: Yes, much better.
[14:42] <Bauldrick> James147: cheers, and if all's good - how would I go about removing all unwanted/needed stuff (gnome in this case)
[14:43] <DarthFrog> dfhfdhfdh:  The command to install a DEB archive is: "sudo dpkg -i <deb archive>".
[14:43] <James147> !purekde | Bauldrick
[14:43] <James147> Dont know about the netbook version though
[14:43] <Bauldrick> thanks
[14:43] <mfraz74> Think I might have to see what Kubuntu 10.10 looks like on a netbook as I don't like the look of unity
[14:45] <ixnari> Does anyone know how to get the reboot menu show up in the restar computer dialogue? I.e.: So I can just click, for example "boot into Windows" and be done with it?
[14:45] <DarthFrog> dfhfdhfdh: BTW, the difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu is pretty much limited to the desktop environment.  Other than that, they are the same.
[14:46] <dfhfdhfdh> DarthFrog ))
[14:47] <DarthFrog> ixnari: I don't know that that capability is available but it would be a nice thing to have.  Why not make it a feature request?
[14:48] <dfhfdhfdh> DarthFrog should I tell anywhere that I have ubuntu?  Without more?
[14:48] <dfhfdhfdh> ok
[14:50] <James147> ixnari: DarthFrog: I remember previous verions you could press and hold the reboot button in the shutdown dialog and get a list of operating systems to boot to, although bit never worked in the past... havent tested it with the latest versions
[14:50] <FrogFrog> ..
[14:50] <ixnari> I see. Thanks DarthFrog and James147
[14:51] <ixnari> I know such functionality is already available in OpenSuSE and Parus, but Kubuntu is the one I use, so I thought maybe I was missing something
[14:51] <DarthFrog> James147: i never knew that.  Thanks.
[14:52] <James147> DarthFrog: took me ages to figure out it was press and hold... but the little arrows told me that there was something more there :D
[14:52] <BluesKaj> ixnari, reboot menu ? grub ?
[14:52]  * DarthFrog goes to look for little arrows.
[14:52] <James147> bah, there is the option to turn off/on the shutdown dialog... i completly lost it
[14:54] <James147> ixnari: you might want to change the "Boot mangager" option to grub in the shutdown tab of the login manager
[14:54] <ixnari> BluesKaj: Yeah, I'm sure it's connected to grub some way or another
[14:55] <BluesKaj> ixnari, grub should show the windows partition
[14:55] <ixnari> James147: Will check, thanks
[14:55] <BluesKaj> ixnari, maybe I'm missing the point here
[14:55] <James147> BluesKaj: I think what he wants is to select "windows" from kdes shutdown dialog to tell grub to boot into windows next
[14:55] <ixnari> Yeah, exactly
[14:55] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:56] <James147> BluesKaj: so that you dont ahve to wait and use the grtub menus when they appear
[14:56] <DarthFrog> James147:  I wonder if that was a capability in Grub 1 that isn't (yet?) in Grub 2?
[14:57] <ixnari> Okay, done. Let's see if this works
[14:57] <James147> DarthFrog: that might explain why the little arrow disapeard on the reboot dialog
[14:57] <BluesKaj> James147, ixnari , I haven't run any other linux OSs with a windows install , din't know it was an option on them
[14:57] <karti> hi all
[14:57] <James147> DarthFrog: note that with the shutdown dialog you also have the arror, for sleep and hybernate
[15:02] <ixnari> Well, no dice. I guess I'll write a feature request later on. Thanks anyway, guys!
[15:04] <DarthFrog> James147: I noticed that.
[15:29] <q__> how to install driver nvidia on 10.04?
[15:29] <DarthFrog> !nvidia | q__
[15:30] <q__> ok thank you
[15:40] <normand> Quelqu'un comprends le québecois sur ce canal?
[15:40] <DarthFrog> !fr | normand
[15:40] <normand> Merci pour l'info Darthfrog
[15:43] <Kage> I am using 10.04 amd64 from dvd install, and I for the life of me can not find how to change the desktop theme
[15:43] <Kage> nvm, found it
[16:32] <poyntz> well_laid_lawn: bash: /home/chris/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games: No such file or directory
[16:32] <poyntz> well_laid_lawn: that's what $PATH returns
[16:33] <James147> poyntz: "echo $PATH"
[16:34] <DarthFrog> James147: The error message returned the path.
[16:34] <DarthFrog> poyntz: What are you trying to do?
[16:35]  * James147 assumed he was trying to get the contents of PATH and just typed "$PATH" >> should be "echo $PATH"
[16:37] <DarthFrog> James147: ;-)   He got his $PATH either way.
[16:37] <James147> :D
[16:38] <V0r34u5> Hey guys, I need to open a port to test /dcc get (because I have trouble with), so I want to use iptables but I dont know how to open a simple port and then close it.
[16:39] <James147> !iptables
[16:40] <DarthFrog> V0r34u5: Is the port currently firewalled?
[16:41] <V0r34u5> DarthFrog, I have not set any exeption in iptables
[16:41] <DarthFrog> V0r34u5: All ports are open, unless they are firewalled.
[16:41] <DarthFrog> Whether there is anything listening on any particular port is another matter.
[16:44] <V0r34u5> DarthFrog, I think i need to set an exeption for irssi, because I can send files from /dcc send, but I cant get them when someone send me something
[16:46] <DarthFrog> V0r34u5: Well, you can issue the command: "sudo iptables -F"  That will flush all the iptables rules and you can test if that's your problem.
[16:46] <DarthFrog> V0r34u5: But don't leave yourself open for long. :-)
[16:47] <DarthFrog> V0r34u5: Oh yeah, it just occurred to me - the firewall might be on your router.  Do you have the proper port being forwarded from your router?
[16:48] <V0r34u5> DrathFrog, good question, I dont know lol
[16:48] <DarthFrog> V0r34u5:  Also, before flushing your iptable rules, try "sudo iptables -L" to list the rules currently in force.
[16:49] <poyntz> James147 DarthFrog : /home/chris/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[16:49] <poyntz> James147 DarthFrog : I'm trying to get Alt+F2 to work
[16:49] <V0r34u5> Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[16:49] <V0r34u5> target     prot opt source               destination
[16:49] <James147> poyntz: that looks like your PATH varible :)
[16:49] <V0r34u5> Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
[16:49] <V0r34u5> target     prot opt source               destination
[16:49] <V0r34u5> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[16:49] <FloodBotK2> V0r34u5: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:49] <V0r34u5> target     prot opt source               destination
[16:50] <poyntz> James147 DarthFrog : I'm trying to get Alt+F2 to work
[16:50] <DarthFrog> poyntz: So what's the issue?
[16:50] <James147> poyntz: krunner probally crashed, try rerunning it
[16:50] <V0r34u5> DarthFrog, thats all
[16:50] <DarthFrog> V0r34u5: You don't currently have a firewall on your system.  Methinks you need to forward the port from your router to your system.
[16:51] <mycobacterium> HI
[16:52] <mycobacterium> hola
[16:52] <mycobacterium> alguien de Chile
[16:52] <V0r34u5> DarthFrog, do you know a good tuto for iptables ?
[16:53] <DarthFrog> V0r34u5: I used to. :-)  Many moons ago.
[16:53] <poyntz> DarthFrog James147 : nope. it never works
[16:53] <poyntz> the box comes up
[16:54] <James147> poyntz: can you run "krunner" in a terminal?
[16:54] <poyntz> if i enter any program name in, then tap enter it fails
[16:54] <James147> poyntz: so krunner is loading :)
[16:54] <poyntz> i tried running it in konsole
[16:54] <poyntz> same problem
[16:54] <poyntz> it runs
[16:54] <poyntz> but it wont launch apps
[16:54] <FloodBotK2> poyntz: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:55] <poyntz> and there was no dumb in konsole
[16:55] <James147> poyntz: check the plugins
[16:55] <poyntz> *dump
[16:55] <DarthFrog> poyntz: What did you try running in konsole?
[16:55] <poyntz> i don't remember installing any
[16:55] <poyntz> krunner
[16:56] <V0r34u5> DarthFrog, if i have no firewall, do you think that can be my /dcc get problem ?
[16:56] <James147> poyntz: click the spanner icon in krunner, that will open the plugins... there should be some installed by default
[16:56] <DarthFrog> Does the popup box appear when you press Alt-F2?
[16:56] <V0r34u5> DarthFrog, all port are closed by default, so the file I want to get cant pass
[16:57] <James147> V0r34u5: on ubuntu all ports are open by default (fire wall is disalbed)
[16:57] <DarthFrog> V0r34u5: No.  I think your issue is with port forwarding.  The /DCC GET is coming in to your IP address, which is actually the WAN address on your router.  The poor router has no idea what to do with it.  A port forwarding rule will tell it what to do.
[16:57] <poyntz> James147: tried disabling all plugins. didn't change a thing
[16:57] <James147> poyntz: you need to enable them to nmake it work ^^
[16:58] <DarthFrog> poyntz: No, you need to enable the plugins. :-)
[16:58] <poyntz> James147 DarthFrog : thanks! that fixed it
[16:58] <poyntz> have a great night
[16:58] <V0r34u5> DarthFrog, ok, I need to set iptables and it can resolve my problem ?
[16:59] <V0r34u5> setting a chain of rules
[16:59] <James147> V0r34u5: no, you need to configure your router
[16:59] <DarthFrog> V0r34u5: Nope, I very much doubt that iptables has anything to do whatsoever with your issue.  Iptables on your local machine, that is.
[17:00] <V0r34u5> ok thanx, i will googling about "configuring my router":P
[17:00] <DarthFrog> V0r34u5: What model router do you have?
[17:00] <mweijts> V0r34u5: http://portforward.com/
[17:01] <V0r34u5> DarthFrog, hummm, a router from Bell
[17:01] <V0r34u5> 2wire
[17:01] <mweijts> http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/routerindex.htm index of routers
[17:01] <DarthFrog> V0r34u5: Do you have the instruction manual for it?  Can you log in as Administrator to its admin web page?  "It" being your router.
[17:02] <DarthFrog> V0r34u5: Check the link that mweijts just provided.  It may tell  you exactly what you need to do.  You also must know what port you need to work with. :-)
[17:03] <V0r34u5> ok, thanx guys !
[17:13] <apparle> how to get the source for the command cksum
[17:21] <Scunizi> on boot I always get an error with Akonadi... akonadi_gcal_resource PID (various) .. 11 Segmentation Fault .. How do I make this stop crashing?  I have to kill the akonadi server and Kontact and restart both.. akonadi first then kontact.
[17:24] <ep> I installed sun java's and used update-alternatives to "prefer it".  However both firefox and chromimum are still using the ice tea plugin.  I need sun's plugin.  WHere can I find instrurctions on how to mangage plugins (eg remove ice tea and add sun)?
[17:25] <ep> I'd like to use the openjdk but unfortunely it doesn't work well with a few java games I play.
[17:26] <Scunizi> !java | ep
[17:37] <ep> god I wish i understood kpackage kit interface  I search for java and get too many hits, I search for plugin and get too many hits  I search 'java plugin'  (without the quotes) and get nothing... i'll search sun brb.
[17:42] <ep> Found sun's java6 plugin.  Question  do i need to remove the icetea plugin or disable it or neither?
[17:46] <Scunizi> ep: probably remove it
[17:46] <Scunizi> ep: you can always install synaptic
[17:48] <Scunizi> ep: the link provided by ubottu has the easy method of setting sun-java as the default
[17:51] <ep> Scunizi: I already set sun-java as the defaut.... And it works with stand alone java apps.  Apparenlty it has no affect on the plugins for  browsers  however.
[17:55] <ep> i didn't install the plugin though,  I'll do that and see what happens
[17:56] <Bauldrick> is there a netbook channel?
[17:57] <After730> Can someone help me with Kubuntu? I am unable to empty Trash and need help how to do it
[17:57] <James147> ep: kpackagekits search box is a dumb search box... it just searchs for the package anme by default... you can set it to search the discription is you want to
[17:58] <ep> ah thanks, that will help
[17:59] <James147> After730: to empty the trash navigate to it in dolphin (trash: in the address bar will do that) then right click on an empty part of the view and click "empty trash"
[17:59] <ep> i installed sun-java6 plugin ; closed firefox; reopened firefox and about:plugins still only listed iced tea
[18:00] <James147> ep: try: "sudo update-alternatives --config java"
[18:01] <ep> i did that 2 days ago but will do it again
[18:01] <James147> !pm | After730
[18:02] <ep> James147: the current selection is sun's java 6 (and it works with stand alone java apps, they use sun)
[18:03] <Bauldrick> i have a problem - my daughters netbook screen broke so I've decided to place it behind TV and use TV as monitor for it (with wireless bits etc...) Unfortunately everytime I restart netbook, the broken screen (LVDS1 800x600) gets mirrored to TV. I can adjust the TV (VGA1) to 1280x1024, but upon reboot it resets to 800x600
[18:03] <James147> After730: do you get an error when you click on "empty trash"?
[18:04] <James147> Bauldrick: you could create a xrandr script to run at login to change the resalution... or set it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:05] <James147> !pm | After730
[18:05] <ep> okay on the chromimum browser (which is set as my default)  now gives both iced tea and sun's java in about:plugins output.... I see which one it uses
[18:06] <James147> After730: try deleting ~/.local/share/Trash
[18:07] <Bauldrick> James147: the script option would be better, if I screw xorg up, then I have no access to netbook at all?  Any samples of said script to view that you know of?
[18:07] <After730> James147 OK, will try that now
[18:08] <James147> Bauldrick: then you would need to create a bash script with the appropate xrandr commands in (dont know xrandr well enough though) "man xrandr" should tell you how to use it... also google :)
[18:09] <James147> Bauldrick: (or if you only need one line you can try that directly into the auto start thing via: system settings > advanced > autostart
[18:09] <James147> )
[18:11] <After730> James147 There is no file .local/share/Trash local/share only has: applications, ca-certificates, fonts, man, ppd, sgml, and xml No Trash in that directory
[18:12] <James147> After730: "locate trash" then :)
[18:12] <James147> ^^ or better yet "locate trash | grep /home/"
[18:13] <James147> ~/.kde/share/config/ktrashrc  might also tell you where it is
[18:15] <berto01> ciao a tutti
[18:15] <After730> James147 I found it using locate, but need command to delete the directory
[18:15] <ep> James147: I think I"m going to try to simply uninstall the icedtea browser plugin , no sence in having two.  I should "aptitude remove" right?   "aptitude purge"?
[18:15] <James147> After730: "rm -r DIRECTORY"
[18:15] <ep> *sense
[18:15] <berto01> ho acquistato un HD esterno da 320 giga ma il lettore dvd no nriesce a caricarlo
[18:16] <James147> ep: remove will uninstall it, purge will do the same but delete config files as well
[18:16] <James147> ep: (note: "sudo aptitude purge ~c" will delete all config files of programs that where uninstalled :)  )
[18:17] <James147> sudo aptitude search ~c to list them
[18:17] <James147> ^^ that one dosnt need sudo
[18:20] <After730> James147 I deleted the directory the way you said. It does not exist when I use Terminal. But The directory and all the files still show when I view in Nautilus. Must I reboot or something?
[18:21] <James147> After730: no... which dierectory did you delete?
[18:21] <After730> /home/MYNAME/.local/share/Trash/
[18:22] <After730> James147 /home/MYNAME/.local/share/Trash/
[18:22] <James147> After730: and it repoted no error? can you pastebin the output of "ls ~/.local/share"
[18:27] <After730> James147 Don't know pastebin, but this is the LS result of what I did
[18:27] <After730> James147 /home/MYNAME/.local/share/ ls: akonadi , desktop-directories, local-mail, totem, applications, Empathy, mime, ubuntuone, contacts, gvfs-metadata, pitivi, webkit, desktop-couch, icons, rhythmbox
[18:28] <nisha_newbie> is therey any application from which I can read .lit e-book file
[18:28] <James147> After730: seems to be deleted :)
[18:28] <James147> !pastebin | After730
[18:29] <James147> After730: close dolphin and delete ~/.kde/share/config/ktrashrc and ~/.kde/share/config/trashrc
[18:35] <After730> James147 Deleted both files. Then, opened Nautilus and Trash is still full with same files
[18:36] <James147> After730: ... I assumeed you where using dolphin.... dont know anything about Nautlius, for that you might want to ask in #ubuntu (they know more about gnome)
[18:36] <After730> James147 Maybe a hint here, Nautilus does not identify Trash in /home/MYNAME/ , just straight Trash
[18:36] <After730> James147 OK, thank you very much for your detailed step-by-step help
[18:36] <valid_nickname19> I have a question regarding SystemSettings in kubuntu 10.04
[18:37] <ixM`> Hi !
[18:37] <James147> !ask | valid_nickname19
[18:38] <ixM`> I'm having trouble with my microphone, I can't barely hear anything. I've checked around in internet but didn't find anything. I've seen that there should be a mic boost checkbox in alsamixer but I couldn't find it. Any clue ?
[18:39] <valid_nickname19> I had some problems configuring samba, and being new to linux I probably messed things up in the process. Now, the Printer icon has disappeared from the SystemSettings window, and I have no idea how to make it come back.
[18:41] <James147> valid_nickname19: there is no good gui atm for configuing samba...
[18:41] <ep> life is good
[18:41] <James147> ep:  :D
[18:42] <James147> valid_nickname19: and samba dosnt have anything to do with the printer icon in system settigns :S
[18:42] <James147> (at least it shouldnt)
[18:42] <valid_nickname19> I'm sorry for not being clear in my question. I already had samba configured, but now my Printer icon is not there
[18:42] <James147> valid_nickname19: what version of kubutnu and kde
[18:42] <James147> ?
[18:43] <mudassar> hello, i have just installed kubuntu 10.04, i have some concerns about usability
[18:43] <mudassar> can somebody help me doing settings ?
[18:43] <James147> mudassar: what 'concerns'?
[18:43] <valid_nickname19> kubuntu 10.04, How do I check for my KDE version?
[18:44] <James147> valid_nickname19: any kde app > help > about kde (i would guess 4.4.2
[18:44] <mudassar> james147: First of all, how to drag the above panel to the bottom of the desktop ??
[18:44] <valid_nickname19> you are correct sir
[18:45] <James147> mudassar: (isent it already at the bottem? thats the default) right click the panel > panel options > panel settigns > click and drag the "screen edge" box
[18:46] <James147> valid_nickname19: cant remember the printer options in 4.4... but from what i remember they are incomplete :S
[18:47] <mudassar> james147: I do not see this options when i click on the panel
[18:47] <James147> dont know why they would just "disapear" though.. and I hightly doupt it is samba related
[18:47] <valid_nickname19> can I download a different Printer manager, then?
[18:48] <James147> mudassar: right click... (or just click the cashew thing at the end (the circle thing)
[18:48] <valid_nickname19> I should also probably say that in the process of configuring samba I reinstalled a bunch of packages with synaptic,
[18:48] <James147> valid_nickname19: hmm, that probally want right :S
[18:48] <valid_nickname19> :)
[18:50] <James147> valid_nickname19: afraid I dont know that much  about printer configuration... you could try installiung kubuntu-desktop and see if the option appears again (should install everything the default kubuntu has) or you can look into configuring cups directly (i think it has a web interface)
[18:51] <James147> valid_nickname19: (cups is the printer backend in [k]ubuntu)
[18:52] <mudassar> james147: yes that is done. Now tell me how can I bring the title bar of each window, it is not there for any window and every window seems to be fullscreen without top buttons for minimize, maximize etc
[18:52] <Scunizi> valid_nickname19: cups is the backend for most if not all linux variants.. access it through Firefox with http://localhost:631 .. from there you can create a new printer, modify an existing one etc..
[18:54] <James147> mudassar: your on the netbook version arnt you?
[18:54] <mudassar> yes
[18:54] <mudassar> installed on my laptop
[18:55] <mudassar> some windows do have titlebars but this window (IRC) has no
[18:55] <mudassar> so i cannot move it or minimize it
[18:55] <James147> mudassar: maximised windows are configured to not show their boarder to save on screen space... (i like this option, dont know how to disable it though) you can "ALT+right-drag" windows to normalise them though
[18:56] <James147> mudassar: also there is a button on the panel by default that can normalise windows
[18:56] <James147> mudassar: its part of the "current window" widget
[18:56] <valid_nickname19> James147: Thank you for showing me cups, Is the printer manager in kubuntu just a wrapper for this cups interface then?
[18:57] <James147> valid_nickname19: as far as I know it is
[18:57] <James147> valid_nickname19: well, as far as i know kde dosnt actually ahve a proper printer settings/support yet
[18:58] <James147> (think thats one of the things they are doing for maverick)
[18:59] <roxy__> what do you do if your knetworkmanager keeps crashing?
[18:59] <roxy__> anyway to fix it from not crashing?
[19:00] <valid_nickname19> James147: Thank you very much, I reinstalled kubuntu-desktop and the Printer Widget is back.
[19:01] <James147> roxy__: not seen it actually crash before... what version of kubuntu/kde are you using?
[19:02] <roxy__> James147:  i think it is 10.04 not sure
[19:03] <mudassar> I cannot see which apps are running, there was one panel for it but i accidently removed it and now i cannot switch using mouse
[19:03] <James147> roxy__: lsb_release -r    should tell you your kubuntu version (kde4-config --version   for the kde version)
[19:04] <James147> mudassar: the netbook version dosent have a taskbar by default... (you can add one) it uses the current window widget and present windows effect
[19:05] <mudassar> how to add ? i didn't understand
[19:06] <James147> mudassar: the taskbar widget is called "task manager" a better one to use might be "smooth tasks" though as it only uses hte icons rather then the icons and text (like win7)
[19:06] <roxy__> James147:  it says:
[19:06] <roxy__> -pc:~$ kde4-config --version
[19:06] <roxy__> Qt: 4.6.2
[19:06] <roxy__> KDE Development Platform: 4.4.2 (KDE 4.4.2)
[19:06] <roxy__> kde4-config: 1.0
[19:06] <FloodBotK2> roxy__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:06] <roxy__> opps sorry
[19:06] <James147> mudassar: right click the panel > [panel options > ] add widgets
[19:07] <mudassar> then what to add ?
[19:07] <James147> roxy__: :S never seen or hears of that version crashng (many other prblems but not crashing) :S
[19:07] <James147> heard ^^
[19:08] <James147> mudassar: "task manager"  although i recomend installing the "smooth tasks" widget if you ahve a smaller screen (plasma-widget-smooth-tasks)
[19:08] <roxy__> James147: >.> weird. i know on the forms i ask only one person told me that it happen to them before and the only thing that they knew what to do is to redue every thing
[19:08] <roxy__> -_- i guess i have to do that
[19:09] <James147> roxy__: try creating a new user and see if it ahppens on that... that would at least tell you if its a config error
[19:09] <James147> (dont know what to do if it isent, but you can delete the relevent config files if it is)
[19:10] <James147> roxy__: if that dosent work you can try using the gnome version (install: network-manager-gnome   run: nm-applet)  or even wicd
[19:10] <James147> (wicd will replace and uninstall network-manager)
[19:12] <roxy__> James147:  i have Wicd on my computer but it didnt take knetwork off. the only problem i have with Wicd is that my wireless thing wont work
[19:14] <James147> roxy__: hmm... i sware installing wicd unisntalled network-manager...
[19:15] <James147> roxy__: do you have network-manager installed?>
[19:15] <James147> (as well as network-manager-kde?
[19:16] <roxy__> knetworkmanager
[19:17] <James147> roxy__: here "knetworkmanager" is a virtual package..... sugesting its not used anymore
[19:17] <James147> roxy__: i think its now in "network-manager-kde"
[19:18] <roxy__> oh ok
[19:18] <James147> but either way, do you have "network-manager" ...?
[19:22] <mudassar> i m still not able to bring the titlebar of the window
[19:25] <James147> mudassar: you might want to consider installing "kubuntu-desktop" and using the normal desktop interface (you can still use the search $ launch activity)
[19:25] <mudassar> on my laptop ?
[19:26] <James147> mudassar: how big is you laptops screen?
[19:26] <mudassar> 14'
[19:27] <mudassar> but I have bigger screen at office that i attach with laptop... it is 19 inches
[19:27] <James147> mudassar: i would say thats about the middle ground for switching :)
[19:27] <mudassar> can I use that version of desktop in my laptop ? I mean that is meant for desktop machines
[19:27] <James147> mudassar: the net book version is designed for smaller screens (i would say < about 13-14inch)
[19:28] <mudassar> it is very hectic when I cannot rearrange windows ...
[19:28] <James147> mudassar: it works just as well on laptops, the only difference is the screen size......
[19:28] <mudassar> no problem for size of screen ... bcoz i have bigger screen as well that i mostly use
[19:29] <James147> (i mean the desktop version works just as well with laptops, the only difference between netbook and desktop is the screen size)
[19:29] <mudassar> but it is time taking to install the distro again
[19:30] <mudassar> is there any setting that can convert the desktop to desktop machine ?
[19:30] <James147> "kubuntu-desktop" works just as well works laptops... the netbook version was designed with smaller screens in mind... i think that is about it... in terms of power/lightness netbook and desktop area bout the same
[19:31] <James147> mudassar: install "kubuntu-desktop"
[19:32] <James147> mudassar: (on kde 4.5, cant remember where on < 4.5) switch system settings > workspace > "Workspace Type" to "desktop"
[19:32] <mudassar> but plz tell me some shortcut, I have configured many other apps now so can't redo the installation
[19:33] <mudassar> where is switch system settings ?
[19:33] <James147> mudassar: kubuntu-desktop is just a package with all the stuff needed for a full desktop... you just need toinstall that not do a complete reinstall
[19:34] <bullocksmachine> yep
[19:34] <James147> mudassar: what kde version do you have (any kde app > help > about kde)?
[19:34] <bullocksmachine> xterm and apt-get are fastest way there
[19:34] <James147> bullocksmachine: (konsole)
[19:34] <James147> :D
[19:34] <mudassar> kde 4.4.2
[19:34] <bullocksmachine> ;)
[19:35] <James147> (cant remember where the option is in kde 4.4.x... and has no comps with that version... anyone else know where?) either way you still need to install "kubuntu-desktop)
[19:38] <mudassar> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[19:38] <mudassar> will this work ?
[19:39] <James147> mudassar: yeas
[19:39] <James147> (although you might still need to change the workspace settings)
[19:58] <amstan_> hello
[19:58] <amstan_> where can i get kde4.5? is there a ppa that has it?
[19:58] <fabbio84> Peace-: quasi fatto penso :-D
[19:58] <amstan_> i was using kubuntu-ppa till now, i tought that was enough, but apparently they don't have it
[19:59] <amstan_> nvm, i guess i have to use ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[19:59] <Peace-> fabbio84: you are in englsih channel
[19:59] <amstan_> thank you topic
[19:59] <Peace-> fabbio84: you have to speak english or go in the italina channel ... ossia di la
[19:59] <fabbio84> Peace-: so what? i must speak in english?
[20:00] <Trance> hi
[20:01] <Peace-> hi Trance
[20:01] <fabbio84> Peace-: so what? i must speak in english?
[20:02] <Peace-> fabbio84: sudo apt-get install konversation  and remove quassel
[20:02] <Peace-> konversation is better than quassel
[20:02] <Peace-> for me and so for you xD
[20:02] <fabbio84> Peace-: how can i remove quassel?
[20:02] <Peace-> sudo apt-get remove quassel
[20:02] <Peace-> sudo apt-get install konversation
[20:02] <fabbio84> Peace-: ok
[20:04] <fabbio84> Peace-: there's a parameter to remove completely a program? like -a or -e
[20:04] <Peace-> fabbio84: sudo apt-get remove --purge someprogram
[20:04] <ryrych> hello,
[20:04] <Peace-> fabbio84: http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/644
[20:04] <NAJI> hello
[20:04] <Peace-> ryrych: hi
[20:04] <ryrych> libqt4-assistant blocks my packages from upgrade
[20:05] <NAJI> does kubuntu contain wvdial and usb-modeswitch packages??
[20:05] <NAJI> I am about downloading it
[20:05] <Peace-> NAJI: what do you want do ?
[20:05] <NAJI> I need them to make my 3G usb modemwork
[20:05] <Peace-> explain better
[20:05] <NAJI> ZTE
[20:05] <Peace-> mm
[20:05] <NAJI> ZTE MF100
[20:06] <Peace-> ok i have a nokia 5800 and it works with knetworkmanager
[20:06] <NAJI> they are not installed in ubuntu
[20:06] <NAJI> so I am trying with kubuntu
[20:06] <Peace-> have you tried with knetworkmanager?
[20:06] <NAJI> it wouldn't work
[20:07] <Peace-> try then ... you try something else
[20:07] <NAJI> I have to install wvdial and  usb-modeswitch
[20:07] <Peace-> ok
[20:07] <Peace-> if youare sure install them
[20:07] <NAJI> they configure /etc/wvconf
[20:08] <NAJI> I cannot
[20:08] <NAJI> they require a lot packages
[20:08] <Peace-> you are not on line with ethernet?
[20:08] <NAJI> and I need the net to know them
[20:08] <NAJI> no
[20:08] <NAJI> I am on windows now
[20:08] <NAJI> the modem works here
[20:09] <NAJI> and I need those package and all the dependencies too
[20:09] <NAJI> which I don't know!!!
[20:09] <Peace-> NAJI: you should get a etherent connection
[20:09] <Peace-> ethernet
[20:09] <Peace-> or a wifi
[20:10] <NAJI> it does work!! I just want to know if wvdial and usb modeswitch are available in the kubuntu CD
[20:11] <Peace-> NAJI: mmm i dunno
[20:11] <NAJI> ok, thanksss
[20:11] <Peace-> NAJI: if they are not download dvd should be there
[20:12] <NAJI> the dvd contain more language packs, that's what is there about it
[20:13] <NAJI> okay bye
[20:17] <ironbeard> (ironbeard) hey guys, was hoping i could get some clarification on setting up a server..if i set my router to static ip it assigns it a non 192.168 address. if i forward ports to my server computer's internal ip, should i be able to connect to my server using the external ip my router gave me? or do i need a service like no-ip.com?
[20:18] <maco> ironbeard: you need to connect to the router's external IP
[20:18] <maco> if that's dynamic, then you need something like dyndns
[20:19] <maco> the ip of the server inside the LAN has no bearing on what happens outside
[20:19] <ironbeard> right. but i can switch it from dynamic to static, but not sure if that gives me an internal static ip for the router or external ip for the router. would i typically have to pay my isp for the external ip?
[20:20] <maco> you have to pay your ISP for an external static IP
[20:20] <maco> if you setup your router to do static, that just means dhcp isnt being used to setup the machines inside the LAN and they'll all have to be manually configured for IP, gateway, route, and dns settings
[20:21] <maco> (which is kind of a pain in the butt)
[20:21] <ironbeard> right on. so my other option is to leave it as dynamic and install the no ip dynamic update system?
[20:21] <mudassar> how will i activate the desktop (that is installed by apt-get install kubuntu-desktop) ?
[20:22] <ironbeard> mudassar you can choose at the login screen
[20:22] <ironbeard> mudassar im guessing you installed kubuntu after having gnome ubuntu installed
[20:22] <ironbeard> hurm
[20:23] <maco> ironbeard: setting a static ip on the server inside will make the port forwarding easier. but dhcp reservations are probably the best solution since then dns and route and gateway are automatically set
[20:24] <taozhiwei> hh
[20:24] <ironbeard> macro yeah, right on. for me its just a laptop phone and xbox, but i see. havent heard of dhcp reservations, will look them up
[20:25] <mudassar> i selected KDE but still the same desktop came with same settings
[20:25] <mudassar> (there were failsafe, kde and one default (previous) options)
[20:26] <maco> mudassar: what was your old desktop?
[20:26] <mudassar> netbook ... (the one which comes out when we install latest kubuntu 10.04)
[20:35] <mudassar> i installed the netbook version of kubuntu 10.04, but i want to use the desktop of desktop-version of kubuntu 10.04 i have installed kubuntu-desktop, now how to use it ?
[20:36] <Guinnessman> Hello,
[20:37] <Guinnessman> in big need of help
[20:37] <Guinnessman> anyone free? :)
[20:38] <mudassar> ask
[20:38] <Guinnessman> ok, thanks
[20:38] <Guinnessman> have a compaq 615 lappy, installed ubuntu 10.4 by using xforcevesa on install
[20:38] <Guinnessman> can boot with xforcevesa
[20:39] <Guinnessman> however gdmdoesnt start and says there is a graphic issue which I try to siolve but the menu loops
[20:40] <Guinnessman> start x brings up the desktop but no wifi, no 'dbus' apparantly and no net
[20:40] <Guinnessman> anyone know how i can get dbus up and running and my graphics issue solved?
[20:42] <Guinnessman> bad times
[20:43] <ironbeard-brb> sorry, cant help you here
[20:43] <Guinnessman> ok, thanks anyway
[20:43] <Guinnessman> anyone else?
[20:44] <matt__> #ubuntu ?
[20:48] <ironbeard> macro: are dhcp reservations set on the router or the dhcpd.conf file?
[20:50] <urgen> is your 'nix your router?
[20:51] <urgen> most routers do dhcp allocation and can be told from what to what to hand out
[20:53] <ironbeard> urgen: no, just basic home wireless router.
[20:53] <urgen> log in there, then, and tell it what you want it to do
[20:54] <ironbeard> right on, havnt fooled with the dhcp too much yet, will do.
[20:54] <urgen> whatever your gateway IP is
[20:54] <urgen> point a browser there
[20:55] <urgen> default logins and passwords are usually one of a few select patterns: user=blank pass=admin or user=admin pass=admin or user=admin pass=password
[20:55] <urgen> there are a few other variations depending on brand and you can look that up online
[20:56] <urgen> whatever it is, change it
[20:56] <ironbeard> yeah, im familiar with that, just dont see dhcp settings
[21:01] <ironbeard> are there routers that dont include dhcp reservations?
[21:51] <jcpoff> Does anyone ever say anything here?
[21:52] <amstan_> ugh.. i just updated to kde 4.5, and now every time i hit ctrl+s in kate i get this error: The filter/check plugin 'python-encoding' could not be found, still continue saving of
[21:52] <amstan_> please help, there is no way to disable the warning./.
[21:55] <Bauldrick_> Why can Amarok not see my music on a NAS running firefly ?
[22:00] <Peace-> amstan_: here it works well
[22:00] <Peace-> amstan_: try to rename $HOME/.kde
[22:00] <Peace-> but...
[22:00] <amstan_> Peace-: how did you update to kde 4.5?
[22:00] <amstan_> Peace-: no way i'm doing that, it means like 2 hours of reconfiguring everything
[22:00] <andre_> bds
[22:01] <Peace-> amstan_: just rename .kde not delete... :)
[22:01] <amstan_> also.. i notice a severe drop in fps in sauer after i upgraded
[22:01] <amstan_> like.. down to 10fps, before i had 200
[22:01] <amstan_> and then i tried to disable composition with shift alt f11
[22:01] <Peace-> amstan_: create a new user...
[22:01] <amstan_> and it switched the "layout manager to spiral mode"
[22:01] <Peace-> amstan_: look if something is fixed
[22:01] <Peace-> and if it is ...
[22:01] <Peace-> :)
[22:02] <amstan_> how do i disable this layout mode thing?
[22:03] <amstan_> god.. i can't move a window
[22:03] <Peace-> amstan_: create a new user...
[22:03] <Peace-> when you upgrade a dekstop enviroment
[22:03] <Peace-> you should create a new user or rename .kde
[22:03] <amstan_> well.. too late now is it?
[22:04] <Peace-> sudo adduser YOURUSER
[22:04] <amstan_> it has worked perfectly before, upgrading from 4.1 to 4.2 to 4.3 to 4.4
[22:04] <Peace-> no way
[22:04] <Peace-> that was luck
[22:04] <Peace-> many people had problems upgrading
[22:04] <Peace-> the first stuff to try is create a new user
[22:04] <Peace-> or rename $HOME/.kde
[22:05] <amstan_> but again, that means hours of work
[22:05] <Peace-> then if the problem is not solved you have to look in another way
[22:05] <Peace-> amstan_: this is a TESTA
[22:05] <Peace-> TEST
[22:05] <Peace-> create a new user... means you will not lost old settings
[22:05] <Peace-> in the other user...
[22:05] <Peace-> omg
[22:06] <Peace-> leaving
[22:13] <olskolirc> I'm on Lucid and its asking me to install language support and it has a list of languages...english is grayed out what do they want me to pick please?
[22:13] <MichealH> \o
[22:15] <jcpoff> ?
[22:16] <olskolirc> someone say my name please?
[22:16] <olskolirc> olskolirc
[22:18] <olskolirc> and how do I upgrade my kernel version to Lucid from Karmic please
[22:25] <nobarking> hello
[22:26] <nobarking> i was trying to upgrade to KDE SC 4.5 with the Kubuntu Backports PPA, but i've got 172 packages blocked
[22:26] <nobarking> does anyone know what might the issue be?
[22:28] <olskolirc> you have a broken package nobarking
[22:28] <olskolirc> sudo synaptic nobarking
[22:29] <nobarking> olskolirc: can it be fixed throug CLI or do i really have to install synaptics?
[22:30] <olskolirc> !language support |olskolirc
[22:30] <olskolirc> synaptic should be installed nobarking
[22:31] <nobarking> olskolirc: ok, thanks
[22:44] <sourcemaker> what is the difference between s/mine and gnupg encryption?
[23:18] <btarik1> hello, when i updated thunderbid to the 3.2 version i lost the "inbox folder", the folder where i used to read all the new msgs form me different accounts, how can i get it back?
[23:23] <binskipy2u> hey everyone.. with 4.4.5 working well, and being LTS and all.. is there any real reason to install 4.5 or any reason in the next 3 years that 4.4.5 will be a less "viable" option to use?
[23:25] <Tm_T> binskipy2u: if there's nothing in 4.5 that you need, there's no _need_ to upgrade (:
[23:26] <binskipy2u> Tm_T thats not what i'm asking.. i have no "need" to upgrade, but is it a good "idea" to upgrade?
[23:26] <binskipy2u> 1. being its not officially support, and its a backport repo etc.. and 2. being since 4.4.5 is lts
[23:27] <Tm_T> well, it's a good idea if there's something you want/need
[23:27] <Tm_T> it shouldn't be harmful, but shouldn't do miracles either
[23:30] <binskipy2u> i'm assuming if there's any bugs...or minor/major issues with 4.4.5 they wil be fixed promptly
[23:31] <Tm_T> considering we are supposed to be supporting it several years, those should be sorted one way or another


[07:51] <Jordan_U> There is a user in #ubuntu who appears to have a defunct process whose parent is init, am I correct in thinking that shouldn't be possible? Am I correct in having them submit a bug report against upstart?
[07:52] <Jordan_U> Output of "ps aux" showing that the process is defunct: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1349958/ output of "pstree" showing that it's owned by init, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1349935/ .
[07:58] <chris|> Jordan_U, no, it is entirely possible to have a defunct process under init
[08:00] <chris|> Jordan_U, I imagine you assume that all processes under init are controlled by upstart, but that is not the case
[08:00] <Jordan_U> I did assume that, apparently incorrectly :)
[08:01] <Jordan_U> Is PID 1 not upstart?
[08:03] <chris|> Jordan_U, imagine, for example, you run a process from the shell that daemonizes into the background, thus detaching from the shell process. Because the parent process is gone, init will then "adopt" the process.
[08:04] <chris|> Jordan_U, that does not mean however that the same rules apply for those processes that would apply for processes run by upstart
[08:05] <Jordan_U> chris|: Is PID 1 not upstart?
[08:06] <chris|> Jordan_U, pid 1 is upstart
[08:10] <Jordan_U> chris|: Is it not the responsibility of PID 1 to reap its children? Are there times when a child cannot be reaped? Am I misunderstanding something fundamental?
[08:28] <SpamapS> wow
[08:28] <SpamapS> I googled for 'upstart reap defunct' and your bug came up Jordan_U
[08:28] <SpamapS> "33 minutes ago"
[08:29] <SpamapS> Jordan_U: its possible, perhaps even likely, that the defunct process is stuck in a syscall
[08:38] <SpamapS> Jordan_U: BTW I would expect upstart to reap zombies yes
[08:38] <SpamapS> Jordan_U: finding where it actually does so in the code, however, is eluding me
[08:38]  * SpamapS heads to bed
[08:39] <Jordan_U> SpamapS: I though that would leave it in a "D" state rather than a "Z" state (as shown in ps).
[15:46] <SpamapS> Jordan_U: agreed, Z should just mean that it has exitted, and init should be calling waitpid on it to let it die


[07:57] <jose> hey dpm!
[07:57] <dpm> hey jose, just read your e-mail, thanks :)
[07:57] <jose> sure thing :)
[07:58] <jose> just wanted to know if there's a way you can poke IS to get some things speeded up - I've got two tickets stuck in the rt.ubuntu.com queue since october
[07:59] <dpm> jose, can you point me to the tickets?
[07:59] <jose> dpm: #23162 and #23170
[08:00] <elfy> join the club jose ;)
[08:00] <jose> hey elfy! long time no see!
[08:00] <elfy> I'm always about - or piskie is :p
[08:01] <jose> :P
[08:01] <jose> how's it been?
[08:01] <elfy> don't hassle IS today - they've got an urgent one for us that's bumped everything else down the list :p
[08:01] <elfy> jose: all good thanks :)
[08:02] <jose> hey, don't make my tickets go down on the queue!
[08:02] <jose> yours has only been there for 3 days
[08:03] <elfy> might be - but it wouldn't be there at all if we'd not had to try and fit the square peg of SSO into the round hole of vBulletin :)
[08:03] <elfy> #broken
[08:04] <jose> HAPPY BIRTHDAY dholbach!
[08:04] <jose> :P
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[08:04] <dholbach> hey jose - thanks! :)
[08:04] <jose> elfy: happens from time to time
[08:04]  * jose hugs dholbach
[08:04]  * dholbach hugs jose back
[08:05] <dpm> jose, ok, I've just had a look at them. I'll poke IS as soon as I see someone there. I'd like to say it'll be done, but at the same time I want to be honest with the expectations - you know how busy they are, and installing SSO plugins is not a trivial task
[08:06] <jose> dpm: yeah, at least it's good to know they are on the queue, thanks a bunch! :)
[08:06] <elfy> hi dpm
[08:06] <dpm> jose, no worries. I'll let you know as soon as I've spoken to them
[08:06] <jose> thanks :)
[08:06] <dpm> hey elfy :)
[08:07] <elfy> jose: I've got to say that when they were working with us last year they were pretty awesome
[08:08] <jose> the IS team is awesome - I know a couple people in person and it's always been a pleasure to work with them
[08:08]  * dpm hugs dholbach
[08:09] <dpm> alles Gute zum Geburtstag!!!
[08:13]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[08:14] <dholbach> danke!
[08:22] <jose> well, time for me to sleep - 3:30am here
[08:22] <jose> see you later guys!
[08:23] <elfy>  goodnight jose
[08:50] <benonsoftware> Happy birthday dholbach :)
[08:51] <dholbach> thanks benonsoftware
[12:01] <nik90> dholbach: Happy Birthday Dholbach!!
[12:13] <dholbach> thanks nik90
[13:37]  * dholbach takes the dog for a walk, bbl
[16:45] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow :)
[16:45]  * popey hugs dholbach
[16:45]  * dholbach hugs popey
[16:45] <popey> dholbach: got anything planned?
[16:46] <popey> other than "not being near computers and hippies" ?
[17:15] <jcastro> jono, so CLS, I am _in_ for that
[17:18] <jono> jcastro, awesome :-)
[17:18] <jono> will be fun to have you there :-)
[21:52] <jose> jono: hey, ready in 10
[21:53] <jono> jose, yep!
[22:00] <jono> jose, I am there now
[22:00] <jose> +1
[22:11] <jose> jono: looks like I dropped, let me reconnect
[22:11] <jono> jose, np