[00:10] <tking|nn> xfmedia segfaults on me, running it through gdb yields: 0xb75809e0 in pthread_mutex_lock () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0
[00:10] <tking|nn> hey i'm not sleeping
[00:12] <tking> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+package/libpthread-stubs0
[00:13] <tking> hmmmm
[00:16] <tking> hey i can run it as root
[00:24] <knome> tking, can you file a bug?
[00:24] <knome> !bugs | tking
[00:25] <knome> package would be xfmedia
[00:32] <tking> knome, there seems to be a couple of bugs filed already
[00:32] <tking> ok I'll see
[00:34] <tking> bah launchpad account one sec
[00:47] <tking> knome, yeah ok here it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfmedia/+bug/434343
[00:47] <tking> meh
[00:48] <knome> tking, was there a similar bug?
[00:54] <tking> knome, sort of, months ago and less information that was unresolved
[00:54] <tking> someone responded 'oh i forgot how I fixed this one blah blah'
[00:54] <tking> let me see
[00:54] <knome> okay, can you still paste me the bug #
[01:02] <jhon_ecuador> hi everybody, I have a Pentium I MMX with 128Mb on RAM and I want to install xubuntu, but I'm not still sure that it works properly. Could you help me?
[01:02] <knome> jhon_ecuador, you might be able to install it and maybe even run it, but it would be horribly slow.
[01:03] <knome> jhon_ecuador, is there any way you could get more ram?
[01:05] <jhon_ecuador> really, mmm yeah I could try more capacity because the mainboard supports
[01:05] <jhon_ecuador> but just at 386
[01:05] <knome> yeah, you should.
[01:05] <knome> that's a lot better than 128
[01:06] <jhon_ecuador> do you think that it is enough to run faster?
[01:06] <knome> yes
[01:06] <jhon_ecuador> ok thanks
[01:07] <knome> 192 ram is required, 256 recommended and with 386 you would be able to run it relatively smoothly
[01:53] <tking> I happened to get an update for xfmedia in update manager after I submitted the bug report
[01:53] <tking> coincidence, it was for something completely different
[04:48] <xubuntunoob> hi guys
[04:50] <xubuntunoob> i need help
[04:50] <Techie> what do you need help with?
[04:51] <xubuntunoob> how to run a webserver on xubuntu
[04:52] <Techie> apt-get install apache2
[04:53] <xubuntunoob> after that? what are the other things needed to do?
[04:54] <Techie> nothing
[04:55] <Techie> other than the basic things such as port forwarding port 80
[04:56] <xubuntunoob> I don't know how to port forward in linux. How?
[04:57] <Techie> same as in windows
[04:58] <Techie> http://portforward.com/
[04:58] <xubuntunoob> ah ok
[04:58] <xubuntunoob> thanks man!
[04:58] <xubuntunoob> you've been most helpful.
[04:58] <xubuntunoob> :)
[04:59] <Techie> no problem, just helping out
[05:05] <xubuntunoob> #ubuntu
[06:56] <kornwhoale> <hello i am new here and i want to install Xubuntu on my old dell destop>
[06:56] <techie> cool
[06:57] <techie> you need help with which part?
[06:58] <kornwhoale> <well...everything, the old dell is a 400mgz XPS with 768ram and W(*>

[06:59] <kornwhoale> <do i simply download it and i am suddenly runningxubuntu?>
[06:59] <techie> download the iso and burn it to disc
[06:59] <techie> then you install it as you would a normal operating system
[07:00] <kornwhoale> <bummer<my old dell has no burner>
[07:00] <kornwhoale> <but i do have an actual ubuntu disc>
[07:01] <techie> is it able to boot from usb? i know this is highly unlikely but im asking anyway
[07:02] <kornwhoale> <don't know, but i do have a floppy drive if that helps and a dvd player>
[07:02] <techie> do you have an alternative machine with a cd writer?
[07:03] <kornwhoale> <no unless this lil 4 year old aplle ge laptop has it>
[07:03] <kornwhoale> <apple i meant>
[07:03] <techie> you would be suprised with what apple laptops have
[07:03] <techie> i have a powerbook G4 with a dvd combo drive
[07:03] <kornwhoale> <yeah this is fast>
[07:04] <kornwhoale> <school gave it too her>
[07:04] <kornwhoale> <wifes computer>
[07:05] <techie> cool
[07:05] <kornwhoale> <i have read that a lightweight OP may save my 11 year old dell from death....it is runnung real slow on w98 with verizon dsl>
[07:06] <techie> yeah, it will allow you to make use of the slower hardware
[07:06] <kornwhoale> <but the only hard disc i have right now is ubuntu is hat light enough>
[07:07] <kornwhoale> <77 percent of my system resources are free right now>
[07:08] <techie> ummm, well you have the ability to run ubuntu
[07:08] <techie> but i would try running any decent apps
[07:08] <kornwhoale> <runs exremely fast if iam not on web sits with a lot of graphics>
[07:09] <kornwhoale> <w98 keeps freezing or "not responding all the time driving me nuts>
[07:09] <techie> hehe, i never did like 98
[07:09] <kornwhoale> <i have run all my direct x tests and scans, seems like i got a good computer though>
[07:10] <kornwhoale> <dell has taken control of it remotely and can never find anything wrong but they can't make it run dsl right>
[07:11] <kornwhoale> i think its w98 issue
[07:11] <techie> DSL never was great for a dedicated machine, it was perfect for a livecd though
[07:11] <kornwhoale> you know this lil mac got me in here with no installtion....and without me even knowing how to do it?
[07:12] <techie> yep, i do like the way that mac has packaged their executables so they can be run from anywhere
[07:12] <techie> just download a client and run it, no need to install anything
[07:13] <kornwhoale> so i guess i just pop that ubuntu disc in my old dell and the OP just kind of pops up on my screen?
[07:13] <techie> nope, you will have to tell the bios to boot from the cd drive
[07:13] <kornwhoale> is that in dos
[07:14] <techie> no
[07:14] <techie> when you boot the laptop up there should be a screen right at the start that says press F10 to enter setup or something similar
[07:15] <kornwhoale> oh sorry i am talking to you now on this apple laptop but when i am actually trying to fix my old dell desktop in my basement so we are talking about that install
[07:15] <techie> yep
[07:16] <kornwhoale> oh ok so i will something like f10 on the old dell...ok
[07:16] <techie> yeah
[07:16] <kornwhoale> so we are talking about putting right on my haqrd drive
[07:17] <techie> yep
[07:17] <kornwhoale> hard drive i meant
[07:17] <techie> a fresh install
[07:17] <kornwhoale> super
[07:17] <kornwhoale> even though w98 is in there
[07:17] <kornwhoale> will it wipe out w98
[07:17] <techie> yes, unless you want to keep win98, i personally would wipe it
[07:18] <kornwhoale> i have the dell w98 disc if i need it again but it is such an abortion...
[07:19] <kornwhoale> ok so i pop it in hit something like f10 and then what...doe the instructions just start happening?
[07:20] <techie> no, you have to change the bios to boot from cd
[07:20] <techie> if there is a button that you can press to have it boot from cd you can use that
[07:21] <kornwhoale> don't know about that
[07:21] <techie> well, how would you normally boot the 98 disc?
[07:22] <kornwhoale> never did it to my knowledge, i thought booting was when i put a floopy boot disc in the floppy and put the w98 disc in the cd drive
[07:22] <techie> aah, i forgot 98 had its own boot floppy
[07:23] <kornwhoale> but when i did that it seemed to just copy w98 right over the screwed up w98
[07:23] <techie> im an XP user and havent touched 98 in years
[07:23] <kornwhoale> i cant kill w98 but it is a pain
[07:24] <kornwhoale> i just use our apple when i dont feel like screwin around
[07:24] <kornwhoale> but i feel like i could fix the old dell
[07:24] <kornwhoale> the flippin dell xps cost me 2700 bucks in 1998
[07:24] <kornwhoale> zip drive and all
[07:25] <techie> dang
[07:25] <kornwhoale> massive sound system...
[07:25] <techie> to think all my gear is second hand, i salute to you
[07:26] <kornwhoale> even had a cool graphics card back then...keep in mind this thing is 11 years old right after i bought they prices kept falling
[07:26] <kornwhoale> i saw a new xps gamer in the wrapper on ebay for 499 today
[07:26] <kornwhoale> quad core mind you
[07:27] <techie> =0
[07:27] <kornwhoale> anyway how will i boot it
[07:27] <techie> i would love to own something like that
[07:27] <techie> well once youve found the bios settings you will need to find and change the boot order
[07:28] <kornwhoale> so it is probably in my manuals...it came with 3-4 books, still have em all
[07:28] <techie> cool, they will help
[07:28] <kornwhoale> is this a control panel type of thing/
[07:29] <techie> yep
[07:29] <techie> well sort of
[07:29] <kornwhoale> i always thought it would involve DOS
[07:29] <techie> nah, dos is extremely outdated
[07:30] <kornwhoale> i heard i can wipe out virus' with it
[07:30] <techie> yes and no
[07:30] <kornwhoale> if i have any
[07:30] <kornwhoale> i ranhijack this and wiped all the weird stuff that was listed on the internet as malware
[07:31] <kornwhoale> well it is sort quarantined in aroom or something
[07:31] <kornwhoale> i think most of the malware was bizarre microsoft and aol stuff
[07:33] <kornwhoale> i am dead in the water with this boot thing
[07:33] <techie> look in the manuals for installing a new operating system
[07:33] <kornwhoale> ill run down in the basement and get them
[07:37] <kornwhoale> got em
[07:37] <techie> cool
[07:37] <kornwhoale> set up guise the right one?
[07:37] <kornwhoale> set up guide?
[07:37] <techie> sounds right
[07:39] <kornwhoale> installing and configuringadditional software?
[07:40] <techie> umm, possibly
[07:40] <kornwhoale> nothing in this book about bios booting
[07:41] <kornwhoale> trying therefernce and trouble shooting guide
[07:42] <techie> maybe its not the right book
[07:43] <kornwhoale> system bios is stored in flash memory?
[07:43] <techie> that souds like a step in the right direction
[07:44] <kornwhoale> says it can be updated for future plug and play enhancements...
[07:44] <techie> anything else?
[07:45] <kornwhoale> not in this section still looking lots of manuals
[07:45] <techie> http://wp.dembowski.net/2007/10/06/installing-ubuntu-on-a-dell-xps-720/    its not the same model but it might help
[07:46] <kornwhoale> luckily this old 2700 dollar boat anchor has LIFETIME phone support if these books don't have it but i noticed the guys on the phone are not real smart
[07:46] <kornwhoale> my dell is from1998
[07:47] <techie> hehe, the guys on the phones are just saying what they are prompted to
[07:47] <kornwhoale> oh they are soooo funny
[07:47] <kornwhoale> they tried to sell me 4 gigs of ram to fix it the other day!
[07:47] <techie> rofl
[07:47] <kornwhoale> and i only have 3 ram slots!
[07:48] <kornwhoale> do the math on that one...scary
[07:49] <kornwhoale> boot screen system setup program???
[07:50] <techie> ooh, we might be getting somewhere
[07:52] <kornwhoale> i think it boots from the diskete drive
[07:53] <techie> this could make life difficult
[07:53] <kornwhoale> or use the up or down arrow key to highlight a device..
[07:53] <techie> that sound like us
[07:54] <techie> welcome back GaeliX
[07:55] <kornwhoale> sounds like then i use up or down arrow key and the plus minus key tousehard drive oratapi cd or network boot
[07:55] <techie> yep
[07:55] <techie> that sounds about right
[07:55] <techie> burn the cd off and boot from it like that
[07:55] <kornwhoale> says try one the the next and so on
[07:56] <techie> yep, however we know that we want to boot from the cd so try that one first
[07:56] <kornwhoale> honestly i dont get it though when do i see these options that i choose from
[07:56] <techie> umm, read from a page or so back
[07:56] <techie> you will probably have to press a button when you turn the dell onm
[07:56] <techie> on*
[07:58] <kornwhoale> do i put the ubunto disc in first or do i do the boot stuff 1st
[07:58] <techie> put the disc in first
[07:58] <techie> or you can put it in while your at the menu
[07:58] <kornwhoale> do i go to RUN
[08:00] <techie> umm, im not sure
[08:00] <kornwhoale> i ordered the ubuntu months ago i am going to see if it is still my desk drawer and throw it in the dell
[08:02] <techie> kk, i g2g ill be back in a bit
[08:10] <kornwhoale> cant find it but i think i have the idea
[08:16] <kornwhoale> hey this lil apple laptop has a cd burner on it so i can burn xubuntu and try to boot it on my old dell xps
[08:19] <kornwhoale> so if i type in my system specs can someone tell me if my old dell is enough compuer to run xubuntu..found my original invoice
[08:42] <Guest7245> how to i cange my nick
[08:46] <Guest7245> lmm
[08:46] <Guest7245> nhh
[08:47] <TheSheep> /nick your_new_nick
[08:47] <Guest7245> thanks
[08:48] <balsaque> i tried that before? now it works
[08:48] <balsaque> how do iregister it
[08:49] <balsaque> jjj
[08:50] <balsaque> hey techie i changed my name to balsaque ( the dell xps guy)
[08:52] <balsaque> #balsaque's bargain basement
[08:52] <balsaque> hmmm learning
[08:54] <balsaque> hey techie this apple can burn cd's
[09:01] <techie> cool
[09:01] <techie> did you manage to figure out the boot menu?
[09:04] <balsaque> i think so if i could only find the disc i could prolly do it
[09:05] <techie> kk, burn off a copy of xubuntu if you wish
[09:05] <techie> you can burn it using the drive utility in OS X
[09:05] <balsaque> i have some dvd's can i burn on then using this mac's cd burner?
[09:06] <techie> yep
[09:06] <techie> providing that the mac is able to write to DVD discs
[09:07] <balsaque> reads dvd wries cd
[09:07] <techie> then you will have to use cd's rather than dvd's
[09:08] <balsaque> dadgum it want to throw kubuntu in that ole dell...will get some cd's this mornin at BB if they even sell them anymore
[09:09] <balsaque> they prolly sell one of those butus at BB now
[09:09] <balsaque> doesnt BB sell ubuntu
[09:10] <techie> no clue
[09:10] <techie> im in New Zealand
[09:11] <balsaque> wow i want to ski there
[09:13] <balsaque> so techie ill get a cd  tomorrow and burn kubuntu if that is the best one for an old puter
[09:14] <techie> xubuntu will be best for a lightweight system
[09:14] <balsaque> i really just want to be able to run around the internet without all those freezes from w98 ...always says i am doing an "illegal moperation"?
[09:15] <balsaque> operation i meant
[09:15] <balsaque> i hit the task manager and it say IE not responding
[09:15] <balsaque> makes me crazy
[09:16] <balsaque> whew he sure does quit a lot
[09:17] <techie> im back
[09:17] <balsaque> so you think ubuntu wil make the dell run well
[09:24] <balsaque> here are my spec's dell dimension xpr r400 pentium II mmx technology 512 cache turtle beach montego a3d 64 voice pci sound card 4.8x dvd trinitron 17"ati xpert 98d 8mb 3d 2x agp iomega zip 100mb 1o gig hd 3.5 floppy 1.44 mb 768 sdram
[09:25] <balsaque> will that run ubuntu properly or should i use a real light weight version
[09:26] <balsaque> xps not xpr
[09:30] <balsaque> techie are you on dsl
[09:30] <techie> adsl
[09:31] <techie> wait
[09:31] <techie> you mean the connection or the linux distro?
[09:31] <balsaque> i mean the type of internet you are on...ex: cable or dsl or dial up
[09:32] <balsaque> maybe it is different in new zealand
[09:32] <techie> dsl
[09:32] <balsaque> yes that is what i ahve thru verizon
[09:33] <techie> tbh, its crap
[09:33] <techie> the copper phone cables restrict your speed soo much
[09:33] <balsaque> it runs this mac pretty fast
[09:34] <techie> i suppose you wouldnt be a huge downloader though
[09:35] <balsaque> trying to think what i do download
[09:35] <techie> hehe, i download anything and everything
[09:35] <techie> and ontop of that... im a gamer
[09:36] <balsaque> i dloaded somekind of fix off aplle website to try to fix appleworks(corrupt file?) and it did it in about a second or 2
[09:36] <techie> would have only been a small file about 10mb or so
[09:37] <balsaque> yeah you gotta understand all of it for gaming
[09:38] <balsaque> dell is selling that gamer xps for 499 on their new closeout store
[09:38] <techie> yeah, i cant afford anything though
[09:38] <balsaque> what computer do you have
[09:39] <techie> custom built from second hand parts
[09:39] <techie> shall i list the specs?
[09:39] <balsaque> please
[09:39] <techie> 2.8ghz Celeron D clocked to 3.08
[09:39] <techie> 512mb DDR333 RAM
[09:40] <techie> 1gig DDR400 RAM clocked to 333
[09:40] <techie> ATI Radeon 9600XT 256mb graphics
[09:40] <techie> ^^ AGP
[09:40] <techie> 120gig seagate HDD
[09:40] <techie> 200gig Maxtor HDD
[09:41] <techie> Dual layer DVD writer of unknown brand
[09:41] <techie> unbranded white case with window
[09:41] <techie> 1x blue anodised fan with biohazard grill
[09:41] <techie> 2x 10cm red cold cathode tunes
[09:41] <techie> tubes*
[09:43] <balsaque> i've heard those celeron d's are basically p4's...i know they can run fast
[09:43] <techie> yeah
[09:43] <techie> they pretty much are p4's
[09:43] <balsaque> im surprised at he 512 ram
[09:43] <techie> mine is towards the high end p4
[09:43] <balsaque> thought the gamers needed a lot more than 512
[09:44] <techie> hehe, not really
[09:44] <techie> it makes it nicer
[09:44] <balsaque> can you run crysis
[09:44] <techie> but the big bottleneck in my system at the moment is my graphics card
[09:44] <techie> hell no
[09:44] <techie> my graphics card would choke to death trying
[09:45] <balsaque> i see duall card systems now
[09:45] <techie> yeah, unfortunately SLI is only for PCI-E
[09:45] <balsaque> but even with used parts thats gotta cost some money
[09:45] <techie> i unfortunately only have AGP, meaning i can only run ATI cards if i want something new, and also means i have to fork out big bucks
[09:46] <balsaque> i tried pricing building my own and the numbers just didnt work
[09:46] <techie> what did you want to do with it?
[09:46] <techie> did you want it as a gamer, desktop, server?
[09:46] <balsaque> well i just like them built like light gamers
[09:47] <techie> i see
[09:47] <techie> soo about a 2.4 dual core
[09:47] <balsaque> like my old dell was an old gamer if they had games then
[09:47] <techie> 1gig RAM
[09:47] <techie> 256 - 512mb graphics
[09:47] <techie> 320gig HDD
[09:47] <techie> thats the sort of thing your looking at
[09:47] <balsaque> i like dual cores aroound 2.93
[09:48] <balsaque> with alt least 3m l2 cache
[09:48] <balsaque> and 4g ram
[09:48] <techie> yeah, higher clocks tend to be unstable though and the higher you go the less you use
[09:48] <balsaque> o
[09:48] <techie> your motherboard and system can only put through so many commands in a set amount of time
[09:49] <techie> you could have a 99ghz core and it would be useless if you couldnt feed it commands fast enough
[09:49] <balsaque> i see
[09:49] <balsaque> and i never do
[09:49] <techie> so rather than going for a 2.9 dual your better off going for something with a lower clock on the same bus
[09:49] <techie> it will be cheaper
[09:49] <balsaque> just cruz the net
[09:50] <balsaque> but its tough to beat a dell gamer loaded for 499
[09:51] <techie> yeah
[09:51] <balsaque> no matter how i try to do it, build it, used computers...
[09:51] <techie> my mate got an acer M3200 for $800 NZD and that struggles with most graphical intensive games
[09:51] <balsaque> the xps 430 was prolly a dud to real gamers that is why it ison closeout
[09:52] <balsaque> if you looked at it would you know if it was a loser
[09:52] <techie> okay, ima price some stuff up for you to look at
[09:53] <balsaque> but i want you to read the specs on that dell it soounds like you can even watch tv on it
[09:53] <techie> http://www.pricespy.co.nz/c_583.html?d=14922 - theres a motherboard
[09:53] <techie> same socket as mine
[09:54] <balsaque> 83 bucks
[09:55] <techie> http://www.pricespy.co.nz/c_583.html?d=8688 - theres a cpu
[09:56] <balsaque> 24 bucks
[09:56] <techie> http://www.pricespy.co.nz/c_728.html?d=7728 - theres 2 gig RAM
[09:57] <balsaque> 35 i think
[09:57] <balsaque> still well under 200
[09:57] <techie> http://www.pricespy.co.nz/c_184.html?d=12298 - theres your graphics
[09:58] <techie> thatl give you pixel shader 4.1
[09:58] <techie> and opengl 3
[09:58] <balsaque> 31
[09:58] <techie> http://www.pricespy.co.nz/c_583.html?d=9774 - theres a 320gig HDD
[09:58] <balsaque> 170ish
[09:59] <techie> and lets say about 140 for a case
[09:59] <techie> whats the total cost at now?
[09:59] <balsaque> so you gotta begettin close to a new one on closeout arent you
[10:00] <techie> yep
[10:00] <techie> whats the total?
[10:00] <balsaque> i think you are at about 310 or so
[10:00] <techie> including case?
[10:00] <balsaque> is the case really 140 dollars?
[10:01] <techie> for a decent one
[10:01] <techie> if you have a spare case you could use that
[10:01] <techie> oh shti, forgot something
[10:01] <balsaque> at magic micro they are way less
[10:01] <techie> PSU
[10:01] <balsaque> yeah you want 400-500w
[10:01] <techie> yeah, a 400w will do
[10:01] <balsaque> even 375
[10:01] <techie> http://www.pricespy.co.nz/c_463.html?d=3782
[10:01] <techie> 450
[10:02] <balsaque> plus ypuprolly want a hard drive fan and dual case fans at 120mm each
[10:02] <techie> thats aftermarket stuff
[10:03] <techie> throw $40 on for shipping and your at about $485
[10:03] <techie> what currency do you use?
[10:03] <techie> USD?
[10:03] <balsaque> i dont understand NZ money but i have done it here and it will cost at least 500 US
[10:03] <techie> okay lets convert it to USD
[10:03] <balsaque> US  dollar
[10:03] <techie> http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=485+NZD+to+USD&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[10:04] <techie> not bad?
[10:05] <balsaque> so you save about 100
[10:05] <techie> and lets say you go overboard and get 5 fans
[10:05] <techie> thats an extra $50 NZ
[10:06] <techie> 383.59500 U.S. dollars
[10:06] <techie> not bad for a mid gamer
[10:06] <balsaque> but now go to ebay.com and type in dell new xps 430 gaming
[10:07] <balsaque> no tools to work on it
[10:08] <techie> i take it that if you purchased one of these you would remove vista and install XP or windows 7?
[10:08] <balsaque> oh yes
[10:08] <balsaque> then it will really fly
[10:09] <balsaque> so mcheap it scares me though somethingwrong...
[10:09] <techie> hehe
[10:10] <balsaque> i called the reps at dell and they said "it must be a refurb"
[10:10] <techie> lol
[10:10] <balsaque> but it says new
[10:10] <techie> a refurb on that gear
[10:10] <techie> no way
[10:11] <techie> for starters if its DDR3 its most likely been bought within about half a year
[10:11] <balsaque> so i may but it but i have never dunped vista and put in xp pro
[10:11] <balsaque> yeah they dumped it in july
[10:11] <techie> i can guide you through it
[10:11] <techie> i do downgrades all the time
[10:11] <techie> its actually really simple to do
[10:12] <balsaque> i dont even want any part of vista left in it
[10:12] <balsaque> i bought a massive amd computer and took it back once i got a taste of freakin vista
[10:12] <techie> haha
[10:12] <techie> check this out
[10:12] <techie> http://quadcore.homeunix.net/phpsysinfo/
[10:14] <balsaque> thats cool the OP is so light it will run like a crazy
[10:14] <techie> yeah, i got a login for that box too
[10:14] <techie> i use it for bypassing network security and tunneling
[10:15] <techie> theres nothing better than tunnelling all your traffic to a remote destination outside of the country
[10:15] <balsaque> i dont know what that is
[10:15] <techie> i encrypt all my traffic
[10:15] <techie> send it to another country
[10:15] <balsaque> what for
[10:15] <techie> they then un encrypt it and send it on
[10:16] <techie> cant get pulled up by packet sniffers or site blockers
[10:16] <balsaque> why
[10:16] <techie> bypassing security
[10:17] <techie> i also have boxes in australia
[10:17] <balsaque> what do you need to bypass security for
[10:17] <techie> to browse the internet freely
[10:17] <balsaque> oh i see
[10:17] <balsaque> where as i pay 30 a month
[10:17] <techie> when your shool implements a site blocker at their ISP's end
[10:17] <techie> school*
[10:18] <techie> you usually try find a way around it
[10:18] <balsaque> som you are apro hacker
[10:18] <techie> nope, just your average gray hat
[10:18] <balsaque> that would be fun
[10:18] <techie> i learnt that this filter blocked by ip domain name and meta tags
[10:19] <techie> so what do i do, encrypt all my data and send it to australia
[10:19] <techie> they cant search packets they cant read
[10:19] <balsaque> can;t imagine how you figured that out
[10:19] <techie> im a network tech =P
[10:20] <balsaque> so i should make my old dell into a server
[10:20] <techie> what would you use it for?
[10:20] <balsaque> like a firewall
[10:21] <balsaque> and run the ne stuff with no anti virus if that makes any sense
[10:21] <techie> nah, the NAT firewalls in DSL routers are good enough
[10:22] <techie> its not as if your gonna get past a NAT firewall unless you know your exact destination right down to the MAC address
[10:22] <balsaque> supposedly have a firewall in my dsl ..in fact it may be screwing up my internet speed on the old dell
[10:22] <techie> it wont be
[10:23] <balsaque> it took 15 seconds to load a dell.compage today
[10:23] <techie> you ever done any fun stuff such as wireless sniffing?
[10:23] <balsaque> nope
[10:23] <techie> you should, you learn alot doing it
[10:23] <balsaque> but i read how to tap into someone elses
[10:23] <balsaque> long drawn out procedure
[10:23] <techie> im thinking about breaking my schools wireless, but its WPA2
[10:23] <techie> and none of their transmitters show up on the wired network
[10:24] <techie> ive done network scans and everything, they just dont appear
[10:24] <balsaque> so do you like cable or dsl
[10:25] <balsaque> if you neede to actually buy one i mean
[10:25] <techie> i like cable, however im restricted to dsl
[10:25] <techie> cable has a greater upstream capability
[10:25] <balsaque> i am restricted but only until i dump w98
[10:25] <techie> hehe, my area isnt set up for cable
[10:25] <techie> and our phone exhanges arent even ADSL2+
[10:26] <balsaque> they have a deal here where you can get the phone cable tvand the internet on sale for 100 per mo
[10:26] <balsaque> wil save me 40 per mo
[10:26] <techie> we run our internet seperate to our phone
[10:26] <balsaque> and i will have cable
[10:26] <techie> line speed down and 128k up
[10:26] <techie> 20gig a month
[10:27] <techie> $56 NZ
[10:27] <techie> 56 New Zealand dollars = 40.15200 U.S. dollars
[10:29] <balsaque> so are you on ubuntu
[10:29] <techie> at the moment yes
[10:29] <techie> i usually run windwos XP
[10:29] <techie> which resides on my 120gig drive
[10:29] <balsaque> i have that at work
[10:30] <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic for general talk, please
[10:30] <balsaque> hey at work (HUGE CORP) I CAN GET ALL THE FREE DELLS i want
[10:30] <techie> welcome knome took you awhile to notice
[10:30] <balsaque> hey my 1st time here
[10:30] <knome> i just woke up ;)
[10:31] <knome> balsaque, no problem
[10:31] <techie> hehe
[10:31] <knome> balsaque, just keeping the channel clear for possible support
[10:31] <balsaque> i noticed noone ever says anything....
[10:32] <techie> thats a good thing though
[10:32] <balsaque> i have a ubuntu dics somewhere in my house and i am going totry to put it in an 11 y/o dell xps
[10:32] <balsaque> the last time i did an install was 8-28-08
[10:32] <techie> key word, "somewhere"
[10:32] <knome> ;)
[10:33] <balsaque> 8-28-98 i meant
[10:33] <knome> the last time i took some free ubuntu cd's with me, i had given all of them (except server discs) away before i was even home
[10:33] <techie> awww server edition is the best version
[10:34] <balsaque> they mailed it too me free a few months ago and i never got aroung to it now i want to ry it
[10:34] <knome> depends on what you need and actually, i like debian on servers more than ubuntu ;)
[10:34] <techie> you make a good point knome , debian is nice
[10:35] <techie> and the netinstall discs are great
[10:36] <balsaque> FOUND IT IT ISUBUNTU 810
[10:36] <techie> cool
[10:36] <techie> thats what im running atm
[10:37] <balsaque> now do i have the bauls to wipe that stinking w98 off my 10g hard drive?
[10:37] <techie> do it
[10:37] <techie> i dare you to
[10:37] <balsaque> someone on here will prolly have to stay on here with me i really dont have the skills
[10:37] <techie> knome your up
[10:37] <balsaque> i can take this lapper down in the basemant and chat while i do the dell
[10:38] <balsaque> scary
[10:38] <balsaque> im up for i aqhte w98 want to assaasinate it
[10:38] <balsaque> will ilose my dsl connection
[10:38] <knome> techie, heh ;)
[10:39] <knome> i have to go to a grocery store soonish
[10:39] <techie> its 9:38 here so ill be on for awhile longer
[10:39] <techie> brb, restarting X
[10:39] <balsaque> ok i will run downstairs
[10:40] <balsaque> gnomw, when i got verizon dsl they had a heck of a time making my old dell run w98 on dsl...i wonder if i will lose my dsl connection when we do the ubuntu
[10:41] <techie> back
[10:41] <techie> nah bal
[10:41] <balsaque> cool
[10:41] <knome> balsaque, is it a regular dsl?
[10:41] <techie> if you connect to your modem via a standard ethernet cable you will be fine
[10:42] <balsaque> dont know about that i know it was the slow one until i yelled at them and they moved it up one notch?
[10:42] <balsaque> runs aboutn 900 on the speed test
[10:43] <techie> what he means i think
[10:43] <techie> is do you connect to your modem via ethernet
[10:43] <balsaque> had to buy a 10/100 my original modem is not in use now (was us robo)
[10:44] <knome> balsaque, if the problem was that your internet was not fast enough, the problem was probably in the ISP side
[10:44] <techie> if you use a 10/100 then the answer is yes
[10:44] <balsaque> well here goes
[10:45] <balsaque> nuthinlike a 58 degree basement and a dehumidifier...this old dell will never die down here
[10:46] <balsaque> should i put it in the cd or the dvd
[10:46] <knome> balsaque, i would be worried if it was 58 celsius but i think it's fahrenheit ;)
[10:46] <balsaque> yup
[10:47] <balsaque> oh no i hope your herre gnome
[10:47] <balsaque> cd or dvd?
[10:47] <knome> here i am
[10:47] <techie> OMG I GOT COMPIZ WORKING
[10:47] <knome> cd i suppose, if it's an older machine
[10:47] <knome> as long as the pc boots from it, doesn't really matter
[10:47] <balsaque> ok the cd is original the dvd is a backpack dell sent me when i couldnt make the dvd decoder work
[10:48] <balsaque> well it in there
[10:48] <balsaque> its working
[10:48] <balsaque> install inside windows?
[10:48] <knome> hmm, if you don't need windows, no
[10:49] <balsaque> says i can do it with it in the tray
[10:49] <techie> boot from it to rid your system from the infestation of the demonic 98
[10:49] <techie> im sorry, i dont know what came over me
[10:49] <balsaque> ok i have nothing to lose the w98 os so bad
[10:49] <balsaque> wont i need drivers or something/
[10:50] <techie> nope
[10:50] <techie> if you can run the hardware in 98 itl run out of the box in 8.10
[10:50] <balsaque> like thisn has some ridiculous turtle beachsound inhere and ati graphis from11 years ago of course i have the discs
[10:50] <techie> knome, when are you going to the shops?
[10:51] <knome> errr.. once i get all my clothes on :P
[10:51] <techie> kk, il stick around
[10:51] <balsaque> i went for it
[10:51] <techie> did you get it to boot?
[10:51] <balsaque> selesct user aqnd password
[10:52] <balsaque> do i need that
[10:52] <techie> wait what
[10:52] <balsaque> or can i just click install
[10:52] <techie> click install
[10:52] <balsaque> so i dont need a user name and password
[10:53] <techie> not for the livecd you dont
[10:53] <techie> it will ask you for a username and password during the install
[10:53] <balsaque> well i am doing the install not the run off cd thing
[10:53] <balsaque> i went for it
[10:53] <techie> kk, then yes
[10:55] <balsaque> why is there 2 lines for the password do i have to put it in twice
[10:55] <knome> balsaque, yes
[10:56] <knome> balsaque, to confirm it's written correctly
[10:56] <balsaque> wow it doin it
[10:56] <balsaque> made me go back and use lower caase
[10:57] <balsaque> if this works you are going to be looking at one happy camper
[10:58] <balsaque> how long does it take seems to move pretty fast
[10:59] <knome> depends on the hardware
[11:00] <balsaque> 400mgz pI mmx 512 cache 768mb ram (more than your hotrod?)
[11:00] <balsaque> pII i meant
[11:00] <knome> hehe
[11:00] <balsaque> uh oh
[11:01] <knome> athlon64 x2 4600+ 4GB ram :P
[11:01] <balsaque> cannot accessn cdplease make sure other apps are not using it?
[11:01] <knome> hmm, you might try to check its integrity
[11:01] <balsaque> can hit retry?
[11:01] <knome> you can try that as well
[11:01] <balsaque> or stick it in my dvd?
[11:02] <knome> sounds like the cd is defected or there is some dirt in it
[11:02] <balsaque> nuthin when i hit retry
[11:02] <balsaque> ill try the dvd is a lot newer
[11:02] <knome> try to take the cd out and check if there is something in it
[11:03] <balsaque> there is nothing in my cd/
[11:03] <knome> okay
[11:04] <balsaque> so go for my dvd?
[11:04] <knome> when you boot from the cd, there is an option to check its integrity
[11:04] <knome> you might want to test that first
[11:04] <knome> i have to go now, but i'll be back later
[11:04] <knome> see you and good luck
[11:04] <balsaque> so put it back in the cd?
[11:04] <balsaque> ok
[11:04] <knome> yeah and boot again :)
[11:07] <balsaque> doesnt ask about integrity
[11:08] <balsaque> says i have 7gig available and need at least 4 so i gave it 5
[11:13] <techie> hows it going
[11:13] <balsaque> hope yur still here techie
[11:13] <balsaque> put in the dvd
[11:13] <balsaque> is doing it again
[11:13] <balsaque> man i am cuttin it close on the drive space
[11:14] <balsaque> if i have 10 g and we wipe ot clean and this takes 4 i should have 6 left right?
[11:15] <balsaque> whew quit doin that techie
[11:15] <techie> lol
[11:15] <techie> not my fault my compiz setup is  a bit buggy
[11:15] <techie> only just got it working for the first time earlier
[11:16] <techie> and i mean the first time in years
[11:16] <balsaque> getting a coffe
[11:16] <techie> kk
[11:19] <balsaque> think its workin now...by now it had already quit with my original cd drive...dell gave me this extra one free when i yelled ath them
[11:19] <techie> hahaha
[11:20] <balsaque> and it was out of warrant for like 6 years when they did it
[11:20] <techie> rofl
[11:21] <balsaque> just thinkin about what im wipin oout...word,money,who knows what else prolly hav eht ediscs but would rather do the open thing anyway to learn it
[11:23] <balsaque> so tell me how long could this take?
[11:23] <balsaque> luckily its my day off
[11:24] <techie> depends
[11:24] <techie> i can knowck down an install in half an hour or less
[11:24] <balsaque> on a flippin gamer....
[11:24] <techie> but then again, i dont read what it says anymore
[11:24] <techie> on anything
[11:25] <techie> ive done it so many times i dont even have to read the text anymore, i can do it all by the layout and graphics
[11:26] <techie> thats why its so fast for me
[11:26] <balsaque> could not access the cd again
[11:27] <balsaque> i seem to remember having too go to a certain drive like d or something to use the dvd
[11:27] <balsaque> i think i need to run or something not just put it in there
[11:28] <floating1> i just read this article on lubuntu, and was surprised on some results when comparing ubuntu n xubuntu http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7520/1.html
[11:28] <techie> if you can boot the cd then you should have to run anything, it should just install
[11:30] <balsaque> well i runs and then aFTER AWHILE SAIS CANT ACCESS THE CD
[11:30] <techie> thats not good, the cd doesnt have scratches?
[11:31] <balsaque> NO
[11:32] <balsaque> i think i have to find drive d
[11:32] <techie> no such thing in linux
[11:32] <balsaque> do i put the shiny side down on the ubuntu
[11:32] <techie> yes
[11:33] <balsaque> doing a quick diagnostic
[11:34] <balsaque> says set in DMA mode
[11:34] <techie> oh noes, i have 1.5gig of internet left
[11:36] <balsaque> test lokks good says something about making sure i use a copywright protected dvd?
[11:37] <techie> huh, never come across that before
[11:39] <techie> gah, im gonna have to go
[11:40] <techie> and i dont think knome is back
[11:40] <balsaque> i mean to do a good test but the test was good
[11:40] <balsaque> do you know how to make it so i am telling this computer to use D
[11:41] <techie> once you boot it will use whatever drive you booted from
[11:41] <techie> anyway im gonna go now
[11:41] <techie> goodnight
[11:42] <balsaque> yeah but years ago when i used it i laways had to go in the flippin computer an do something click on D or something like that top play dvd
[11:42] <balsaque> se ya
[12:04] <knome> hmm
[14:14] <balsaque> can anyone here help a newbie
[14:18] <likemindead> With?
[14:21] <likemindead> ...
[14:49] <balsaque> i tried a clean instal many time today of ubuntu, but had to settle for running off the live cd, my computer claims it can locate the cd drive or some BS like that, yet the cd runs from the cd drive and the proof is i am here now.
[14:50] <balsaque> yet it did install the ubuntu uninstaller and the ubuntu icon,,,,
[14:51] <likemindead> Is this your first time installing Linux?
[14:51] <balsaque> i was hoping to instal ubuntu, have it wipe my computer completely clean of all the old nonsence(windows) and be left with nothing but ubuntu
[14:51] <balsaque> yes 1st time
[14:51] <likemindead> Should go quite smoothly.
[14:52] <likemindead> This is a good guide: http://zacvineyard.com/blog/2008/11/16/installing-ubuntu-for-the-first-time/
[14:52] <balsaque> well it went smooth as far as running off the live cd but it did not wipe my HD clean and i have to run off the live cd
[14:52] <balsaque> ill try you link thanks iam hooked this my computer runs fast now
[14:53] <likemindead> Did you choose the install option and walk through the questions?
[14:53] <balsaque> yes tries that 1st with the help of 2 expert on the ubuntu chat...gnome and techie
[14:53] <likemindead> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall
[14:54] <likemindead> Official documentation.
[14:54] <balsaque> when i put the cd in it acte like it was doing the install but after 5 mnutes it said something about retry...cant locate the drive
[14:54] <balsaque> yet it installed the ubuntu unistaller and the ubutu icon in my computer?
[14:54] <balsaque> dr willis says i got a bad cd mailed too me fom ubuntu
[14:55] <balsaque> but i question that because i am running the live cde right now
[14:55] <balsaque> then he said parts of the cd may be bad
[14:55] <balsaque> seems like quite a coincidence
[14:56] <balsaque> and i didnt make the cd it was an original mailed from ubuntu w/ no scratches
[14:57] <knome> balsaque, that's possible
[14:58] <balsaque> the instruction are very easy but i suppose being new it might be me but i had no trouble doing my original w98 install and it took forever
[14:58] <knome> do you have a possibility to burn a new cd?
[14:59] <balsaque> well all i have right now are some new dvd's if tha is ok...actually this old puter is not a burner
[14:59] <knome> i think you should have a cd
[14:59] <knome> didn't the installation work with the dvd?
[14:59] <balsaque> when my wife gets home with the apple i can do it
[14:59] <balsaque> no it kept saying cant locate the drive
[15:00] <knome> okay
[15:00] <knome> that's why you need a cd :)
[15:00] <balsaque> but as i said i am runnig the live cd right now in that drive
[15:00] <knome> yeah
[15:00] <balsaque> my luck
[15:00] <knome> it is possible that you can run the live cd but the installation does not work
[15:00] <knome> sorry to hear that
[15:00] <balsaque> ok well thats me
[15:00] <knome> but your internet works with that live cd, right?
[15:00] <balsaque> fast
[15:01] <knome> good to hear :)
[15:01] <balsaque> faster that this computer ever was even when new
[15:01] <balsaque> i recently bought and returned a vista computer with a quad core (junk) and it was no faster than this
[15:02] <knome> really? interesting...
[15:02] <balsaque> it was so tangled up in its own software it froze up like an iceburf on the 12 day-i dumped it
[15:03] <balsaque> i knew my old dell xps was built better but i just couldnt figure out why it always hangs on the interner...now i see whyu...windows
[15:03] <knome> heh
[15:03] <knome> ;)
[15:04] <balsaque> so i am running this tiny little OS with 768ram
[15:05] <balsaque> is it possible that some computer can never do a clean install of ubuntu?
[15:05] <knome> i have never heard of one
[15:05] <likemindead> I'm running Xubuntu on my ancient Pentium III laptop. :)
[15:05] <balsaque> ok vso itis just a matter of me figuring it out
[15:06] <knome> hardware problems are possible but if you can do everything with the live cd, you will be more than ok with the installed system
[15:06] <likemindead> Have you run the "check disc for defects" option, balsaque?
[15:06] <balsaque> just looked at itvisually
[15:06] <balsaque> this is only a PII by the way
[15:06] <balsaque> 400mgz processor
[15:07] <balsaque> 10 hard drive but 768 ram
[15:08] <likemindead> Definitely run the check disc option on the boot screen.
[15:08] <likemindead> Also, I'd try Xubuntu rather than Ubuntu on a computer that old.
[15:08] <balsaque> ill be foolin around with it all day now...on a mission
[15:09] <balsaque> i hear they only send free ubuntu though huh
[15:09] <balsaque> so i gotta make one
[15:09] <knome> balsaque, you can actually get a free xubuntu
[15:09] <knome> balsaque, if you only pay for the shipping
[15:09] <likemindead> Downloading and burning the .iso is very simple.
[15:09] <knome> balsaque, http://xubuntu.org/news/quickship
[15:09] <balsaque> true but no burner on this old timer
[15:09] <likemindead> I sort of collect Linux distros. :)
[15:12] <balsaque> well i am y as well try again thanks al ot
[15:12] <balsaque> can burn a dvd until the wife bring the other coputer home at 3pm eastern usa
[15:14] <balsaque> see you later
[15:14] <balsaque> thanks again
[15:14] <likemindead> Peace.
[16:49] <likemindead> Zzz
[16:57] <Alcapac> hi
[16:58] <Alcapac> I installed compiz, it worked fine, but when i restart X, all windows wont close ( the bar , where is the minimize,maxime,close - i dont know the name) is gone...
[16:59] <Alcapac> i removed compiz, but the bar is still missing
[16:59] <Alcapac> anyone can help me ?
[17:05] <Alcapac> ?
[17:05] <likemindead> Alcapac, Try this: http://www.anujpathania.blogspot.com/2008/06/xubuntu-panels-disappear.html
[17:06]  * likemindead is away: :::poot:::
[17:06] <Alcapac> thanks
[17:10] <Alcapac> likemindead i doesnt work, it says that xfce4-panel is already runnig
[17:23]  * likemindead is back (gone 00:17:11)
[17:23] <likemindead> Hmm... sorry to hear that, Alcapac.
[17:23] <likemindead> Have you tried adding a new panel?
[17:33] <dominik___> Hello =D
[17:34] <dominik___> Hallo? :o
[17:34] <dominik___> Can anyone help me? Kann mir jemand helfen?
[17:45] <ldez1> !ask
[20:15] <balsaque> wow thanks after 5-6 hours and lots of help on here w98 is gone and i have all the updates done and installed ubuntu
[20:15] <balsaque> tanks
[20:16] <balsaque> yes i did turn it off and back on again twice...once for ubuntu and once for firefoz...whew
[20:16] <balsaque> thank you for all the answers
[20:18] <floating1> wat u guise think about lubuntu
[20:23] <balsaque> need to set up my email....is questioned kinda stumped me
[20:24] <balsaque> di restore  it from backup (?)
[20:24] <balsaque> do i  restore it fom backup?
[21:25] <balsaque> wow i got sound and everythting...unreal
[21:26] <likemindead> :)
[21:27] <balsaque> i made it like
[21:27] <balsaque> git the printer and all...no you tube vids yet?
[21:28] <balsaque> say i either turned off java or need a new flash?
[21:28] <balsaque> i wiped out everything i ever had on this thing from 1998
[21:28] <balsaque> feel like i just got a haircut...AHHHH
[21:29] <balsaque> she runs
[21:32] <likemindead> Are you running regular Ubuntu, balsaque?
[21:32] <likemindead> If so, install ubuntu-restricted-extras for Flash & more.
[21:32] <balsaque> i did 8.10, then had to do 349 updates
[21:32] <balsaque> took hours
[21:32] <balsaque> offered me 9.04 but someone said updates 1st
[21:33] <balsaque> would of thought 9.04 would have cover the 394 updates but took their word
[21:34] <balsaque> stopped 9.04 just as it gave me a disclosure and went back and di the updates as i was told
[21:35] <balsaque> should i do 9.04 or figure this old puter is lucky as is?
[21:42] <likemindead> I'd leave it with 8.04, the LTS (Long Term Support) release, balsaque.
[21:43] <likemindead> Also, balsaque: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[21:44] <balsaque> ok sounds goo so the3 one they mail you ubuntu 8.10 desktop is long term...great! just found out i only have used up 29% of my hard drive WOW...i only have 10g HD....
[21:45] <balsaque> i am supposed to give my CTCP version...what is that?
[21:47] <balsaque> thanks like i bookmarked that...perfect, will do it later
[21:48] <balsaque> i am willing to give my ctcp version to the bot but i don't know what it is yet
[21:48] <balsaque> verizon dsl?
[21:51] <ldez1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client-to-client_protocol
[21:52] <balsaque> thanks Idezl but for the 1st time..that link wont open for me havent worked out all the bugs yet
[21:52] <balsaque> ill research ctcp
[21:53] <ldez1> "Client-To-Client Protocol (CTCP) is a special type of communication between Internet Relay Chat (IRC) clients."
[21:53] <ldez1> I'm not too familiar with it otherwise I'd try to offer a better explaination :(
[21:53] <balsaque> i wonder what iam doing right now, apparantly i am somehow doing it diffenet
[21:55] <balsaque> cant remember how i even got in here was running all ove rhte place trying to fix my old dell...somehow got here...figured out the basic language and 6 hrs later wiped out w98 and have ubuntu running fast?
[21:55] <balsaque> god bless america
[21:55] <ldez1> Heh, thats the way to do it, just play and have fun.. maybe learn a thing or two while you're at it :)
[21:56] <balsaque> sure hope so i was shooting from the hip with everyone helping me in these chats
[21:56] <ldez1> There's really awesome community documentation for Ubuntu, a lot of times you can find solutions to problems like your flash player not working, or printers or what have you.
[21:56] <balsaque> was reallly worried w98 would somehow still be hiiden in my puter even after all this
[21:57] <ldez1> Nope, the scourge has been purged :D
[21:57] <balsaque> yes (like) gave me the link already but i am exhausted already
[21:57] <balsaque> didnt go to bed last night when i got a line on all this
[21:58] <balsaque> yes the nightmare(hell) now as w98...it was a virus all in itself
[21:58] <balsaque> paid 2700 in 1998 and got the ole "illegal operation BS" the very 1st day!!!!
[21:59] <ldez1> Yeah, installing and configuring Linux for your first time can be a real headache if you don't know what you're doing.. My first time it probably took me a few weeks because I'd tinker for an hour or two then get sick of it and boot back over to windows.
[21:59] <balsaque> well i know how to help total newbies now with old puters
[22:00] <balsaque> people on here dont always recall the exact way it happens so they  are helping but sometimes a word or 2 makes all the difference
[22:01] <balsaque> i was teling everyone my puter could find the cd in the disc, but it had already done it even though it said all that
[22:01] <balsaque> the icon on my screen then had to be clicked and then  the real install happened
[22:02] <balsaque> in my files and folder it looked like it only insalled the uninstall
[22:03] <balsaque> knd a weird how my dell kept saying it could not locate the cd in my peripheral...that is what threw me the most
[22:04] <balsaque> prooly the final moments of w98 giving me one more lil shot of hell before i killed it
[22:04] <ldez1> Yeah, dell's suck.. every now and then I reformat my dads laptop with it for him, last week when I did it, it took about 5 attempts before an installation finally completed successfully...
[22:05] <balsaque> i had to pound it in
[22:05] <ldez1> Sometimes violence is the only thing Dell's understand.
[22:05] <balsaque> i can tell its nther eeal deep now
[22:06] <balsaque> this is a dell xps though and even though it is stuborn it never broke for 11 years
[22:07] <likemindead> LOL... http://www.amarillolinux.com/mb/index.php?topic=630
[22:08] <balsaque> i better hold my tongue, i cant open the last 2 links all the sudden
[22:08] <ldez1> Is firefox opening?
[22:09] <balsaque> well i am on it now it is my only browser...but yes it has been going everywhere so far
[22:09] <balsaque> try again
[22:09] <ldez1> Do either of those links work if you just paste the URL in the address bar?
[22:09] <likemindead> You might try Swiftfox, balsaque. It's faster on older hardware.
[22:09] <likemindead> Epiphany (browser) is good too.
[22:10] <ldez1> Also a lot of times when you are opening links, Firefox will open the link in a new tab.
[22:10] <ldez1> Do you have any other tabs open near the top of your browser? Just below your address bar?
[22:10] <balsaque> ok , i guess it wants me too "open link on a new page with a rt click sometimes"?
[22:11] <balsaque> i booked that link thanks too tired too read it now
[22:11] <balsaque> its fast but i may rush it a little take a couple seconds sometimes
[22:12] <likemindead> Err.... try this one: http://www.amarillolinux.com/mb/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=630.0;attach=276;image
[22:12] <blip-> The xscreensaver man page does not exist on 9.04 !  how is that ??
[22:13] <balsaque> opened in 2 seconds using rt click 1st same as the othe page...same one right
[22:16] <balsaque> awesome...speechless
[22:19] <ldez1> blip-: I don't see one for just "xscreensaver" but I ran "apropos xscreensaver" and all those programs seem to have man pages.
[22:19] <ldez1> Also, xscreensaver does have an "info" page
[22:20] <balsaque> are bots software or people?
[22:20] <blip-> balsaque: software with people sitting inside
[22:20] <balsaque> cool
[22:21] <balsaque> i wonder if it /he/she will boot me if i dont figure out my protocol pretty soon
[22:21] <balsaque> ill figure it out tomorrow tired...
[22:22] <blip-> ldez1: on my 8.01 system, there is a man xscreensaver... I guess things changed.   I have no info page on 9.04 btw
[22:22] <blip-> ldez1: I checked that I have manpages installed and also instaleld manpages-poxis just for fun
[22:22] <blip-> balsaque: figure out your protocol ?
[22:22] <ldez1> Ah yeah I forgot, I'm on my ubuntu box, not xubuntu.. so maybe thats a difference in distros.
[22:22] <balsaque> well ctpt protocol...bot wants it
[22:22] <blip-> aaah
[22:23] <blip-> interesting ldez1, same package base... odd
[22:23] <balsaque> will read aboutn later
[22:23] <balsaque> prolly somthing like my ip address?
[22:23] <ldez1> Actually blip, it seems the info page I pulled up is just a generic one that it returns when it couldn't find anything.. Guess I should try reading some time..
[22:23] <blip-> balsaque: just tell him he can't have it.... spoilt bots these days
[22:24] <blip-> ldez1: yeah that';s what I thought you had come up :)
[22:24] <balsaque> cool i never rad the rules so ididnt know if i could get booted outta here
[22:24] <blip-> balsaque: what irc program are you using ?
[22:24] <balsaque> i dont know i didnt to my knowledge dload any irc
[22:25] <blip-> ok
[22:25] <balsaque> 'i was violently hitting keys all day trying to fic this thing it is all a blur...
[22:26] <balsaque> actually never went to bed...kept researching ubuntu and got in here
[22:26] <ldez1> Well I gotta run, good luck getting it configured.. There's a lot of good guides out there for tweaks and things that are good/fun to do to fresh ubuntu installations.
[22:26] <balsaque> thanks a lot
[22:27] <blip-> balsaque: you must be using the irc program that came by default (it's called Xchat)... anyway I think you're fine don't worry about the bot
[22:27] <balsaque> cool i thnk it is simply irc chat
[22:28] <blip-> just read around on linux and feel free to ask if you have any questions
[22:28] <balsaque> oh now i know what you mean...it will come to me it was the last one on the list of about 5 of em
[22:28] <balsaque> if you said it i would remember
[22:31] <balsaque> well ty again im takin abreak
[22:59] <MTec007> how would i be able to share read write files on a xubuntu system, to my home lan?
[23:00] <MTec007> the files are on xubuntu but i need to be able to read and write from ubuntu on another system as well
[23:01] <MTec007> a command line way would be the best solution if possible
[23:10] <MTec007> any one have any ideas on that?
[23:19] <reddoghimself> need help with computer problem. is anyone around????
[23:21] <MTec007> dont ask for help just ask
[23:21] <MTec007> if someone can help you they will
[23:21] <MTec007> :)


 I have an SSD with 500 GB in a desktop PC. I also have 1TB Sata HDD which I use just for data storage not OSs. … I want to install Ubuntu Studio 19.04 (when it is available) alongside my existing  installation of US 18.04 on this single SSD.  … My question is: will the installer automatically create a new partition for 19.04 during the
[07:43] <studiobot> installation procedure? Or do I have to create the second partition FIRST before beginning the install if 19.04? … I am looking for the simplest method.
 The PC has UEFI.  … Boot > Secure Boot > OS Type is set to "Other' (not Windows).
 I found the answer on the linuxhint.com. So please ignore the above.
 https://linuxhint.com/install_ubuntu_studio_1804/
 @Chris [I have an SSD with 500 GB in a desktop PC. I also have 1TB Sata HDD which I use …], The installer does it for you when it's not lvm or encrypted
 Thanks.


[07:38] <highvoltage> hey bkerensa
[18:36] <stgraber> highvoltage: updated list of Edubuntu-specific packages and their dependency chain: http://paste.ubuntu.com/772515/
[18:37] <stgraber> highvoltage: that's after removing geogebra and freemind and adding brainy back in the list
[18:38] <stgraber> highvoltage: I think that least is reasonable. We may be able to shorten it a little on the library side
[18:39] <stgraber> highvoltage: that's for binary packages, the TB asked for a list of source package so I'll be generating that one too
[18:50] <stgraber> highvoltage: http://paste.ubuntu.com/772525/ for the sources
[18:50] <stgraber> mgariepy: ^
[19:47] <highvoltage> stgraber: great. is there a way we could promote some of the apps we promote in software center?
[19:47] <highvoltage> stgraber: I'd really like to tell people about things like freemind, it's a killer app in schools
[20:32] <stgraber> highvoltage: probably, I don't think it can be done on a per-flavour basis but we can probably influence what's done in the general software center


[02:29] <guiverc> my read thru finally done Bashing-om , looks good (no comments)
[02:33] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wow - surprise surprise - was a bit hectic getting it all together.
[11:41] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: The State of IoT – January 2022 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-state-of-iot-january-2022
[14:13] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Design and Web team summary – 14 January 2022 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/design-and-web-team-summary-14-january-2022
[17:57] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: ‘Burn My Windows’ Extension Adds Breaking Glass Effect & More Options @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/burn-my-windows-extension-updated-again (by Joey Sneddon)
[20:14] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - log checked - no further edits are known. Time to push: 21:00 UTC,
[20:59] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - doing the Forum post next.
[21:21] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs done - Pending is release to the Social Medias :D
[21:29] <guiverc> one URL changed on fridge; posted as https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/01/31/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-720/
[21:35] <guiverc> tweeted & posted UWN 720 to telegram
[21:40] <Bashing-om> Fridge looks good.
[21:41] <Bashing-om> guiverc: "one URL changed on fridge" is there action needed on my part for the WIKI ?
[21:42] <guiverc> nah, first post had it's URL changed to that found on the wiki..  (something was up with what script had; so it just gets replaced with what I get from wiki)
[21:43] <Bashing-om> guiverc: \o/
[21:43] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Clear now to do away with our evidence ?
[21:44] <guiverc> yep, scrub away
[21:45] <Bashing-om> doing ^
[21:51] <Bashing-om> UWN: We do issue721 :D
[21:52] <guiverc> uwn 719 pasted to fb
[21:52] <guiverc> sorry 720
[21:59] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 720 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/01/31/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-720/


[06:58] <dpward> Hi, gentle reminder, can someone please assign LP#1846539. The kernel config options in Eoan for Intel sound are invalid (according to Intel). On the Broadwell platform, there is not only no sound, but also significant desktop hanging as a result. A config change fixes this.
[12:29] <sdhd-sascha> hi, i want to build deb-packages from linux-image-...-raspi2. I fetched the source with apt. Then there is a debian/, debian.raspi2/ and debian.master/ directory. Additional i found a snapcraft.yaml. - Now i wonder how to build the debian packages? A simple dpkg-buildpackage did not work. "apt-build install --build-only " on arm64 failed. To run snapcraft on amd64 failed with
[12:29] <sdhd-sascha> "eoan/parts/kernel/src/debian.raspi2/config/amd64/config.common.amd64"
[15:34] <cascardo> sdhd-sascha: what was the failure when using dpkg-buildpackage ?
[15:57] <sdhd-sascha> cascardo: that the changelog file is missing. Lastly i tried: "$ gbp dch --ignore-branch"
[15:57] <sdhd-sascha> >>> gbp:error: Did not find debian/changelog or debian/source. Is this a Debian package?
[16:05] <sdhd-sascha> cascardo: sorry, correction: i get the source from git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/eoan
[16:09] <sdhd-sascha> cascardo: with "apt source linux-image-5.3.0-1012-raspi2" it starts building... Now i need to figure out, how to crosscompile...


[00:04] <exalted_shmo> the network adapter being used looks like this in ifconfig: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dNTQZFZSzx/
[00:47] <RoyK> is 20.04 still using ufw or has it moved to firewalld? I read debian is moving that way
[00:49] <oerheks> ufw for now, an LTS does not make such huge change
[00:50] <RoyK> debian rarely make large changes either
[00:50] <RoyK> but IIRC ufw doesn't use nft, which is the new thing now
[00:50] <oerheks> true, i would expect such change in minor releases
[00:51] <oerheks> we do have Wireguard
[00:51] <RoyK> I haven't tested 20.04 yet - setting up a vm to look around now :)
[00:52] <oerheks> :-)
[00:52] <oerheks> have fun!
[00:52]  * RoyK usually sticks to debian
[00:52] <quadrathoch2> the move should happen at the latest with the 22.04 lts release ;)
[00:52] <RoyK> I'll test on 20.04 anyway - seems it's in the repos
[02:58] <mybalzitch> so how come ubuntu seems to really want to apply fq_codel limiters to my network interfaces
[03:19] <RoyK> mybalzitch: can you pastebin 'tc -s qdisc show', please?
[03:19] <mybalzitch> it's all noqueue now, but if I delete the root queue after a minute or two it'll go back to a bunch of fq_codel interfaces
[03:19] <mybalzitch> just a sec
[03:20] <mybalzitch> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BT9Hk2jMkY/
[03:21] <mybalzitch> is this because of macvlan ?
[03:22] <RoyK> dunno - sorry :)
[06:21] <icey> hey jamespage - thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pylxd/+bug/1887805 ?
[06:22] <jamespage> icey: reasonable push-back - we're not maintaining it and it has wider use than just nova-lxd (which has gone)
[06:22] <jamespage> its just synced from Debian
[06:23] <icey> jamespage: well, I don't know how much wider use it has, at least from a package peprspective
[06:23] <icey> but fair enough
[06:24] <jamespage> icey: its also in universe so no promise of support etc..
[06:24] <icey> jamespage: ah, fair enough - I thought it was in main :)
[06:24] <jamespage> rmadison python-pylxd says otherwise
[06:25] <icey> jamespage: yeah - I went and looked when you said
[13:05] <littlebit> hi people, i have installed ubuntu-server along with nextcloud with the help of snap. Now my server will be running only in my local network where I have my custom domain running and I'd like to generate my own certificates and place them accordingly.
[13:05] <littlebit> now, I have googled around a bit and found this site: https://frankindev.com/2019/12/05/setting-up-snap-nextcloud-on-ubuntu/
[13:07] <littlebit> and is it that simple that i place generated files in /var/snap/nextcloud/current ?
[13:07] <littlebit> and then run nextcloud.enable-https custom ./cert.pem ./privkey.pem ./chain.pem
[13:09] <oerheks> yes, browse to that folder, execute command
[13:09] <littlebit> ok
[13:09] <oerheks> but you want certbot, as your certs will expire some day
[13:16] <littlebit> oerheks: since it is my own domain name that only exists at my home, certbot should have a problem with it or?
[13:21] <oerheks> no, but your url shows a possible complication, when those ports are already in use
[13:21] <oerheks> then you would need to do this manually
[13:21] <oerheks> set a cron job with an email as reminder, something.
[13:29] <littlebit> thought of using ansible
[14:14] <Ussat> to do what ?
[17:59] <smoser> paride: around ?


[01:06] <tormod> good night
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #140820 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "synaptics touchpad won't left click, right click, or vscroll after recent change in gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140820
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #38498 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "xorg does not preserve acpi/ibm/video mode" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/38498
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #38653 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "[RV350]  Permanent resolution degradation after external CRT usage" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/38653
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #39684 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Screen wents blank on system beep" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/39684
[02:31] <ubotu> New bug: #41357 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "TV-OUT no longer works" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41357
[02:36] <ubotu> New bug: #41244 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "Fritz!Card PCMCIA driver does not work" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41244
[02:46] <ubotu> New bug: #41845 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "nvidia xorg driver stopped working when upgrading to dapper" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41845
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #42248 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "[Dapper]  Can not turn off touch tapping on Alps touch pad" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42248
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #140836 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "latest xserver-xorg-video-intel breaks desktop effects" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140836
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #42445 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Cannot change screen resolution. refresh rate" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42445
[03:11] <ubotu> New bug: #43413 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "strange striped screen" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/43413
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #45474 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "touchpad kills keyboard and itself" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45474
[06:01] <ubotu> New bug: #46934 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "Touchpad Scrolling on Laptop Samsung X20" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46934
[08:22] <tepsipakki> yay, there goes a new ati... uploaded
[08:22] <tepsipakki> s/a/the/
[08:23] <tepsipakki> and a new nvidia blob released
[08:25] <tepsipakki> adds support for quadro fx 570 among other things.. and the stinkpad T61p which I'll get in a week or so has one..
[08:40] <bryce> heya
[08:41] <tepsipakki> hi, I uploaded the new ati
[08:41] <tepsipakki> hobbsee and pitti ack'ed it
[08:42] <bryce> awesome
[08:42] <bryce> yeah I talked with hobbsee earlier about it
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #140904 in xorg (main) "Mouse set up suboptimal in vmware VM." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140904
[11:50] <tormod> tepsipakki, your new stinkpad: you'll get hands-on with bug #138718 then.
[11:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138718 in xorg "gdm greeter crashes when X is using vesa driver" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138718
[12:53] <tepsipakki> tormod: great, sounds fun :)
[01:33] <tormod> bryce, does discover guess around if it doesn't find a full pci id match?
[03:23] <TomaszD> tormod, ?
[03:23] <tormod> are you able to identify what change made the sis driver work?
[03:24] <TomaszD> according to the sis gitlog, there weren't that many changes 0.9.3 -> current, but no, I can't
[03:25] <TomaszD> it just started working flawlessly and even a bit quicker than in feisty, so I'm all happy
[03:25] <tormod> if we can backport the needed change into Gutsy, everybody will be happy :)
[03:25] <TomaszD> however, it would be nice to include a proper fix for gutsy, we can't expect people to compile drivers :]
[03:26] <TomaszD> yeah, that would be nice
[03:26] <TomaszD> however I'm just a translator with some compiling experience, but by no means a dev, I write articles about Ubuntu for money, not programs :]
[03:27] <tormod> if you already can compile, and have a sis card to test, you can be very useful
[03:29] <TomaszD> tormod, cool, I'm here if need be
[03:29] <tormod> there are not many git changes since 0.9.1, shouldn't be too difficult to narrow it down
[03:29] <TomaszD> exactly
[03:30] <TomaszD> you mean 0.9.3 right? this is the version gutsy has
[03:32] <TomaszD> tormod, ?
[03:32] <tormod> TomaszD: yes I guess so :)
[03:32] <TomaszD> ok
[03:33] <tormod> did you try just recompiling the gutsy package as well?
[03:33] <tormod> anyway what is the bug report number?
[03:33] <TomaszD> tormod, but the gitlog got me thinking that quite possibly the original package just needs a recompile
[03:34] <TomaszD> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-sis/+bug/118325
[03:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118325 in xserver-xorg-video-sis "sis dri DDX interface outdated" [Medium,Triaged]
[03:34] <TomaszD> brb
[03:39] <tormod> maybe it just needs "Define SIS_*_VERSION using PACKAGE_VERSION*"
[03:54] <tormod> TomaszD: with beta-freeze tomorrow, today is a good day to sort this out :)
[03:56] <tormod> or it needs "Get rid of the XFree86Server macro." but I just keep guessing here. I'll need to look at the code later.
[04:00] <TomaszD> tormod, holy crap
[04:00] <TomaszD> tormod, how do I re-compile the ubuntu package?
[04:00] <TomaszD> damn it, brb
[04:01] <tormod> TomaszD: see Building Drivers on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgOnTheEdge
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #140984 in xorg (main) "X server crashes reproducably with vnc viewer for java (4.0) via firefox" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140984
[07:09] <ubotu> New bug: #140880 in xserver-xorg-input-keyboard (main) "Swedish keyboard is not working - gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140880
[07:15] <bryce> tormod, I don't think that discover guesses around, but the xserver postinst script isn't shy about making bold guesses if it has incomplete info
[07:16] <tormod> bryce: are you sure there are no default to nv for a "default nVidia card" or similar?
[07:17] <bryce> it may, I'm not sure there
[07:17] <tormod> bryce: re bug #133385, I can not see the pci id in discover-data, but it chooses nv
[07:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133385 in xserver-xorg-driver-nv "[gutsy]  "nv" is not new enough to support my chipset (Quadro FX 570M), but is detected as the most appropriate display driver during installation" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133385
[07:18] <bryce> like, if it knows its an nvidia pci-id but doesn't match the model number, it'd probably be safe for it to guess -nvidia
[07:19] <tormod> bryce: how do I patch discover-data correctly? is .lst generated from .xml or visa versa?
[07:19] <bryce> .xml is the thing to update
[07:20] <bryce> then run `make pci-26.lst pci.lst`
[07:24] <tormod> what would the canonical model_name be? what I get from http://pci-ids.ucw.cz ?
[07:25] <bryce> You can try looking them up on the discover-data sourceforge website, however if it's not already in the .xml it's likely not to be on that website
[07:26] <bryce> I don't know that there is a programmatic way to get the name... maybe from dmesg?  worst case, if you have the packaging for the product, or can look it up on the manufacturer website, that would give a suitable name
[07:26] <bryce> you can submit missing pciid mappings through the pciid sourceforge project page; they will sanity check the names
[07:27] <bryce> sorry, Isaid 'discover data sourceforge website', I meant pciid sourceforge website
[07:40] <TomaszD> tormod, sorry for leaving for so long, but I had major issues with my wireless router
[07:40] <tormod> bryce: so I run `make pci-26.lst pci.lst` before I rebuild the source package?
[07:40] <bryce> yup
[07:41] <TomaszD> tormod, I'm gonna try recompiling the gutsy sis package if you can guide me how to do that
[07:41] <TomaszD> ah, just noticed the link in the log
[07:42] <bryce> TomaszD: I suspect that your issue may not be an issue in the packages themselves, but rather could be due to mixing self-compiled packages with ones from the ubuntu repos
[07:42] <tormod> bryce: that failed: xml.sax._exceptions.SAXParseException: pci-device.xml:35150:2: mismatched tag
[07:42] <tormod> bryce: he was using repo packages. His own works.
[07:43] <TomaszD> yep.
[07:43] <bryce> ah, then maybe we simply need to put in a rebuild request for one of the packages (-sis?) in the repository
[07:43] <TomaszD> it's worth a try
[07:44] <TomaszD> there doesn't seem to be any major changes between the git version and the ubuntu version, only some minor cleanups
[07:45] <bryce> yup
[07:45] <tormod> bryce: I just missed a / in the xml. "make" works now.
[07:45] <bryce> also I ran across a similar error someone saw, but not with -sis and not on ubuntu.  The issue in that case was just needing to rebuild one of the packages
[07:46] <bryce> tormod, luv xml
[07:46] <TomaszD> bryce, so will you do it? :]
[07:46] <bryce> tormod, kylem and I are thinking we should rip all that data out of the xml discover-data package and create a new thing, maybe more flatfile-ish
[07:47] <tormod> bryce: and we'll have discover2 as well :)
[07:47] <tormod> or discover-3 or whatever
[07:47] <bryce> yup, -3
[07:48] <TomaszD> a rebuild won't hurt and may certainly help
[07:48] <bryce> TomaszD: one sec
[07:48] <bryce> keescook: would you mind kicking a rebuild for xserver-xorg-video-sis?
[07:49] <bryce> keescook: it hasn't gotten updated in a while, and we think there's an abi mismatch that should resolve if it is just rebuilt against current gutsy libs
[07:50] <jcristau> an abi mismatch?
[07:50] <TomaszD> yes, SiS DRI driver expected DDX version 0-0.8.x but got version 0.7.1
[07:54] <jcristau> 391dad44fa305be4cded31cf2f9a4fba7420af99 would fix that afaics
[07:58] <jcristau> #if XORG_VERSION_CURRENT >= XORG_VERSION_NUMERIC(6,8,99,900,0) isn't going to be true just because the driver gets rebuilt
[08:00] <tormod> bryce: I made a debdiff for 133385. Can you bless it?
[08:01] <tormod> TomaszD: would you be able to try out the gutsy version with the patch from http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-sis/diff/?id=391dad44fa305be4cded31cf2f9a4fba7420af99 ?
[08:01] <bryce> tormod, certainly
[08:03] <TomaszD> tormod, after supper, but I don't know how to apply patches
[08:03] <TomaszD> brb
[08:09] <ubotu> New bug: #121906 in xorg (main) "Gutsy Tribe 1 installer does not configure X to use ATI driver for ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon 8500 DV (R200 chipset)" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121906
[08:11] <tormod> keescook: can you sponsor 133385 please?
[08:12] <keescook> tormod: sure, I'll look in a second, just finishing some email now
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #141043 in xrandr (main) "xrandr doesn't work with non-rectangular display" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141043
[08:19] <tormod> TomaszD: I explained how to patch and build in the bug report.
[08:21] <TomaszD> tormod, thanks
[08:26] <TomaszD> patching...
[08:27] <TomaszD> compiling...
[08:30] <TomaszD> built, installed, reloding session, keep your fingers crossed
[08:31] <keescook> tormod: thanks, uploaded.
[08:32] <TomaszD> tormod, direct rendering: Yes
[08:32] <tormod> TomaszD: great
[08:32] <TomaszD> either the patch worked or just the rebuild worked :]
[08:32] <tormod> bryce, I'll make a debdiff for it
[08:33] <bryce> awesome
[08:34] <jcristau> TomaszD: there's no way a simple rebuild would have changed anything...
[08:34] <TomaszD> jcristau, if you say so :]  I'm just guessing
[08:36] <TomaszD> apt wants to update that package now, from version 1:0.9.3-2 to... 1:0.9.3-2, so the same version
[08:36] <TomaszD> interesting :]
[08:37] <tormod> TomaszD: nothing to care about, it just prefers packages from the repo.
[08:37] <TomaszD> ah ok
[08:37] <tormod> bryce: debdiff attached, can you bless it?
[08:38] <bryce> bug id?
[08:38] <jcristau> i guess i should update the debian package to git master... but it seems nobody uses sis :)
[08:38] <jcristau> bryce: bug 118325
[08:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118325 in xserver-xorg-video-sis "sis dri DDX interface outdated" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118325
[08:39] <tormod> jcristau: the one user is on Ubuntu :)
[08:39] <TomaszD> lol
[08:39] <bryce> jcristau, have you heard of a bug on 965 with display artifacts or lockups after xrandr -o 1?
[08:39] <TomaszD> people use them, but they don't care about dri
[08:39] <TomaszD> probably don't even know what dri is
[08:40] <tormod> only a few of the sis cards runs DRI anyway
[08:40] <TomaszD> true
[08:40] <TomaszD> I get mind boggling 230FPS in glxgears
[08:41] <TomaszD> :]
[08:42] <tormod> TomaszD: that makes it worth the effort :) It's in gusty now - thanks keescook.
[08:43] <TomaszD> thanks everyone, glad it made through before beta freeze :]
[08:43] <bryce> tormod: done
[08:43] <bryce> good work you two :-)
[08:43] <tormod> oops it's not in yet - that was the other debdiff...
[08:44] <keescook> oop, did I miss something?
[08:44] <tormod> keescook: can you sponsor #118325 please?
[08:47] <keescook> tormod: sure, building now
[08:47] <tormod> keescook: thanks!
[08:49] <jcristau> bryce: not that i remember
[08:50] <bryce> yeah I can't find a bug report on it at fdo other; I'll submit a new one
[08:50] <bryce> (bug #129380)
[08:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129380 in xorg "It does not refresh well when dragging a window in the rotated screen" [Low,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129380
[08:51] <jcristau> we're a bit drowning under reports about 1.4 atm :)
[08:52] <bryce> heh, I can imagine
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #141050 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati (main) "xorg crashes when xv is running, compiz is enabled and switch the desktop" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141050
[08:57] <TomaszD> while I have your attention, where is the best place for laptop acpi whitelisting in Ubuntu? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/92806
[08:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92806 in linux-source-2.6.22 "N340S8 laptop needs to have ACPI enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:58] <keescook> tormod: uploaded.  :)
[08:58] <tormod> keescook: thanks again!
[08:58] <keescook> tormod: no problem; thanks for getting the diffs together.  :)
[09:31] <bdmurray> bryce: have you seen bug 137604?
[09:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137604 in xorg-server "Black Bar Across Screen with gutsy i810" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137604
[09:34] <joumetal> it has some boring comments, but if there is something I could do, let me know.
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #141063 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "experimental Intel driver freezes system on video play after suspend" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141063
[10:12] <ubotu> New bug: #139849 in xorg (main) "DRI (direct rendering) has stopped working in Gutsy" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139849
[10:49] <bdmurray> bryce: where would bug 140999 go?
[10:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140999 in ubuntu "gutsy xorg detects 1280x800, gnome thinks its 1024x768" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140999
[10:55] <bryce> bdmurray: gnome-system-tools probably
[10:55] <bryce> I'm not super familiar with how it determines what resolutions to display, so it's possible it's depending on another lower level tool.
[11:05] <bdmurray> bryce: cool, looking that the file xresprobe reports 1024x768 but xorg.conf has 1280x800
[11:06] <bryce> right
[11:06] <bryce> he said xresprobe reports 1280x800 too, so it's not likely to be an xorg issue directly
[11:06] <bryce> for some reason this sounds familiar
[11:07] <bryce> ohh
[11:07] <bdmurray> I don't think he said xresprobe reports 1280x800
[11:07] <bryce> gnome must be failing to retrieve resolutions and defaulting to 1024x768
[11:07] <bryce> sounds related to bug 3731
[11:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 3731 in xorg "Xorg resolution falling back to 640x480 and/or 800x600 when h/v freqs incorrect" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3731
[11:07] <bryce> nope
[11:08] <bryce> it's dupe of 49827
[11:09] <bdmurray> bug 49827
[11:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 49827 in xorg "Available resolutions incompletely set to 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/49827
[11:11] <bdmurray> really?
[11:12] <tormod> not a dupe, in 49827 xorg gets it wrong
[11:12] <bdmurray> Right, this seems like the desktop gets it wrong not xorg
[11:13] <bryce> well, my guess is that gnome is querying gconf for resolutions, which returns those three resolutions when it doesn't know
[11:13] <tormod> why does gnome try to figure out available modes instead of just looking at the size of the root window? or even something like xdpyinfo?
[11:16] <bryce> anyway, it sounds a lot like 49827.  but who knows.  In any case, it should be investigated from the gnome angle.
[11:17] <bryce> oh wait
[11:17] <bryce> I finally looked at the screenshot
[11:18] <bryce> this looks like he's got a second input that's getting detected as 1024
[11:20] <tormod> he's running "clone" with a ghost screen?
[11:20] <bryce> something like that yeah
[11:21] <bryce> I've run across something like that before when attaching a clone projector running at a lower rez
[11:25] <bryce> bdmurray: regarding bug 137604, yeah tepsipakki was looking into that one the other day
[11:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137604 in xorg-server "Black Bar Across Screen with gutsy i810" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137604
[11:26] <bryce> sounds like it's due to one of the backported patches, but we're not sure which one
[11:29] <tormod> bryce, I forgot to set maintainer on the sis package (ubuntu1). bad me. does that call for a new upload?
[11:30] <bryce> maybe; I think it'll kick it out if the maintainer is not @ubuntu.com
[11:31] <tormod> well the changes file says Ubuntu/i386 Build Daemon<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:34] <jcristau> buildds set the Maintainer in .changes with dpkg-buildpackage -m
[11:37] <tormod> I just downloaded the source and it has been properly changed in debian/control :)
[11:37] <tormod> I don't know if keescook did it or it was done automatically.
[11:38] <tormod> I guess https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField is in good progress.
[11:43] <bdmurray> Does anybody have any ideas about bug 130429?
[11:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130429 in xorg "[feisty]  brief glitch at the bottom of the screen after gdm starts with i915 graphics card" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130429
[11:43] <bryce> jcristau: btw, are you packaging radeonhd for debian, or waiting on a release?
[11:44] <bryce> bdmurray: for that intel blackbar bug, it looks like its due to one of the patched Ibackported.  i'm going to build some debs disabling various things to see if we can narrow in on which one caused it
[11:45] <jcristau> bryce: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2007/09/msg01755.html
[11:45] <tormod> bdmurray: must be the intel driver that is not initializing correctly
[11:45] <bdmurray> bryce: that sounds great.  I can imagine it is rough for those effected.
[11:46] <bryce> jcristau: thx
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #139845 in ubuntu "no videoplayer works correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139845
[12:06] <bryce> bdmurray: I think I've seen bug 130429 on my dell 945gm laptop too, or at least something similar
[12:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130429 in xorg "[feisty]  brief glitch at the bottom of the screen after gdm starts with i915 graphics card" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130429
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #141101 in xorg (main) "[UVFe]  Please sync xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd (universe) from Debian experimental" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141101
[12:12] <jcristau> bryce: -radeonhd build-deps on xserver-xorg-dev (>= 2:1.4), so it can't be synced directly
[12:12] <bryce> erf.
[12:13] <bryce> will it compile against 1.3 or is it depending on1.4-isms?
[12:13] <jcristau> i haven't tried, but i expect 1.3 will be fine


[03:48] <fishcooker> how to make lxterminal tab detachable
[03:52] <ianorlin> fishcooker you may want to look into screen or tmux or byobu and detach the session then reaathch it but lxterminal has a way to open a terminal in a new ta but don't think you can take a tab and move it to another window unless you were using something like screen in the first place
[03:55] <fishcooker> yes im with screen all the way
[03:56] <fishcooker> thankyou ianorlin
[09:58] <Auctus_> had lubuntu 14.?? before (i forget which) and the brightness keys on my laptop worked fine, just freshly installed lubuntu 15 and it doesnt work apparently, have to use xbacklight to change it
[10:04] <leszek> Auctus_: is xev in terminal and showing the keys pressed when executed and brightness up or down pressed ?
[10:06] <Auctus_> leszek: apparently not for the function key (which toggles between f9/f10 being those or being bright up/down
[10:06] <Auctus_> the f9 and f10 keys work but the function modifier key apparently doesnt
[10:06] <Auctus_> hp 6910p laptop
[10:06] <leszek> might be a regression with the kernel. Did you try installing the kernel from 14.10 or 14.04 to test if it works with it ?
[10:07] <Auctus_> no, how do i do that
[10:08] <Auctus_> google 'downgrade kernel'? or something
[10:12] <Auctus_> also f4 in the file manager no longer opens a terminal
[10:15] <Auctus_> thats a diff issue though, f keys are fine, f4 is being registered, (f12 works for me to use guake), its a pacmanfm issue ors omething?
[10:16] <leszek> Auctus_: downloasd the kernel from older releases simply. thedeb files should be enough
[16:51] <drv_> hello
[16:54] <drv_> on logging into the my lubuntu the desktop error occurs and I have to run pcmanfm --desktop to fix it manually. I do I fix this.
[17:18] <ianorlin> drv_: is this an upgrade from older release?
[17:19] <ianorlin> if you use one of the included but non defualt wallpares might end up with a black screen
[17:19] <ianorlin> drv_ or did you mess with autostart settings and break something
[17:33] <drv_> i have non default wallpaper, not touched the autostart.


[03:05] <nicomachus> got a .... pleasant PM from a user named regtrer
[03:05] <nicomachus> screenshot: https://imgur.com/9pn2GPs
[05:01] <Unit193> So #ubuntu exploded...
[05:01] <nicomachus> just one spammer... Drone ended up catching it all.
[05:02] <Unit193> Yep, so I saw.
[05:02] <nicomachus> still having trouble with one user, but it's more of an annoyance than guideline breaking, and no one's actually looking for support at the moment.
[07:04] <Myrtti> I couldn't replicate nicomachus' problem with regtrer
[08:17] <DJones> They left the channel just after it was reported here, looking at the screenshot, its the same abusive user as ban 70295
[18:21] <slidinghorn> hi folks...just wanted to drop by and report an unpleasnt pm that was sent to me from someone that must have been in the support channel.  Woke up, logged in and saw it.  User *was* regtrer, ip: <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:22] <k1l> slidinghorn: i will have a look at the logs. thanks.
[18:22] <slidinghorn> have a good one
[18:22] <k1l> if  that happens again and the user is not logged into #ubuntu anymore you might want to report it to #freenode channel
[18:24] <k1l> same ISP/hoster "M247 Ltd" like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>from yesterday
[18:39] <DJones> Same as ban 70295
[18:40] <DJones> I suspect they're US based using proxiesguven the timing of the trolling
[18:42] <k1l> yeah, i suspect open proxies or tor or such
[18:45] <k1l> looks like its this http://www.cyberghostvpn.com/
[18:50] <ikonia> so that service falls in the way of a connection service that has no abuse contact/policies
[18:50] <ikonia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ShellPolicy
[18:51] <ikonia> so I would suggest that IP range/host list is blocked in total
[18:51] <k1l> they have a lot of servers
[18:51] <k1l> but yes. blocking them is making the troll users their issue.
[18:52] <ikonia> so do bzshells :)
[18:53] <ikonia> I wonder if it lists all their hosts somewhere
[18:53] <ikonia> hopefully in a nice CIDR block
[18:54] <k1l> at least <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:55] <ikonia> 166.0 through to 167.255
[18:55] <ikonia> thats a big old range
[18:55] <ikonia> it would cost a fair ammount of money to reserve that IP block
[18:56] <ikonia> how did you work out that whole range is theirs ?
[18:56] <k1l> that is what the whois on <IP_ADDRESS> told me
[18:57] <ikonia> it shows the whole netblock owned by them
[18:57] <ikonia> wow
[23:09] <genii> k1l: Ah, I see you got him in #u now also
[23:09] <teward> k1l: you either read my mind or noticed me join here after calling !Language in ubuntu
[23:09] <teward> I hadn't even typed five words xD
[23:10]  * teward goes away :)
[23:11] <k1l> just did look into the channel and that nick and sentence to "give a reason" to name the word nigger, was just too obvious to troll with racists stuff
[23:12] <genii> Yep, seems like the usual trolls


[00:10] <zcutlip> hah :-) yeah I discovered pausing or skipping back/forward does get it going
[00:10] <zcutlip> but in seriousness, what's the state of this problem? fixes? workarounds?
[02:21] <miked1968> !help
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[04:13] <qwebirc90566> Hello... I'm wondering where the best place to report a kernel crash is. I'm not sure if the problem is Mythbuntu, my configuration, or something else.I have Mythbuntu 12.04 installed
[04:15] <qwebirc90566> ...on a newly built machine. The actual crash happens when I try to open the file system icon in Thunar, with the tree view (rather than shortcuts view).
[04:35] <qwebirc90566> !help
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[05:27] <qwebirc90566> !status
[05:27] <Zinn> I am alive.
[13:55] <brent> is there an advanced installation option with mythbuntu.  example multiple drives raid 5 etc...
[13:55] <brent> last time i did a new install i used xbuntu and just configured the repos
[13:57] <brent> this is for dedicated back end only
[14:53] <zcutlip> Hi, wanted to re-ask a question I posted in the channel last night.  I'm having essentially this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/1005224
[14:53] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #1005224 “Video frame buffering failed too many times” : Bugs : “mythtv” package : Ubuntu
[14:54] <zcutlip> It affects one of my HD-PVRs all the time, and the other only occasionally.  Any ideas? workarounds?  Why would only one tuner be affected?
[14:55] <zcutlip> I'm on 0.25, keeping up with -fixes.