[05:52] <tuxJr_14> tga, i'm already working on one. i'm still planning on how to go about it and which widget to use.
[05:52] <dash> knucks: okay, then mp3s are not your main problem, i bet
[05:52] <knucks> let me try tho
[05:52] <hayden> how do i compile a c program?
[05:52] <knucks> i still cant get xmms working
[05:52] <tga> tuxJr_14: use Athena.. they're great!
[05:52] <dash> hayden: one you wrote?
[05:52] <speel> hayden: gcc program.c -o programname
[05:52] <knucks> and rhythmbox doesnt play anything...
[05:52] <knucks> so i dont want to use it
[05:52] <knucks> i want to get rid of rhythbox and use xmms
[05:53] <blizah> tga, k tnx
[05:53] <hayden> yea
[05:53] <dash> knucks: well, it looks like this isn't a rhythmbox problem
[05:53] <hayden> ok
[05:53] <knucks> ok
[05:53] <tuxJr_14> tga: i dont know athena. who is she? ;-)
[05:53] <karsten> Anyone got a package count for Warty?
[05:53] <tga> imho Ubuntu should reuse the SuSE installer, if it's GPLd
[05:53] <speel> package count?
[05:53] <tga> tuxJr_14: Athena is a really nice and portable widget set
[05:53] <dash> tga: bwahahaha
[05:53] <keez> someone help-me please
[05:53] <tuxJr_14> tga, it is. it's already being used by SCO also.
[05:54] <keez> i need help wiht ubuntu
[05:54] <karsten> keez: ask.
[05:54] <dash> tuxJr_14: what! motif is _clearly_ superior
[05:54] <tuxJr_14> tga: is it easy to learn?
[05:54] <farruinn> wouldn't a graphical installer require an X server?
[05:54] <keez> i need to configurate a dsl conection in my ubuntu
[05:54] <dash> farruinn: No.
[05:54] <knucks> dash: what should i do?
[05:54] <dash> knucks: Hmm
[05:54] <tuxJr_14> farruinn, that's a yes and a no
[05:55] <tga> tuxJr_14: yeah, this will be great.. the only installer using Athena that I know of is the old Solaris one
[05:55] <karsten> keez: You got a DSL modem or router?
[05:55] <farruinn> tuxJr_14, dash: heh, ok I'm too tired to ask more about that =)
[05:55] <keez> dsl modem
[05:55] <uMkulu> dsl modem is connected to my machine via cat cable and not USB correct?
[05:55] <tga> tuxJr_14: it's professional stuff
[05:55] <karsten> keez: It provides DHCP?
[05:55] <knucks> and permissions give me a headache..but dont get me started on that
[05:55] <keez> i think yes
[05:55] <tuxJr_14> tga: can you elaborate?
[05:55] <knucks> i at least want to get something accomplished tonight..
[05:56] <tuxJr_14> farruinn, we can also use ggi or fbdev
[05:56] <tga> tuxJr_14: I'd rather not
[05:56] <karsten> keez: Control Panel.  Network config.  Set up a DHCP connection for your ethernet card.
[05:56] <farruinn> knucks: permissions protect you from yourself
[05:56] <knucks> lol
[05:56] <keez> only this?
[05:56] <dash> knucks: okay so!
[05:56] <knucks> I'm all ears
[05:56] <keez> i think yes
[05:56] <karsten> knucks: Don't laugh, he's not kidding.
[05:56] <dash> knucks: go to file manager (look in applications -> system tools)
[05:56] <tga> I don't think there's anything in the world to protect knucks from himself
[05:56] <karsten> Could someone provide me a package count for Warty?
[05:56] <dash> knucks: and go to /usr/share/sounds
[05:57] <speel> karsten: lol alot?
[05:57] <dash> farruinn: there's a version of gtk that runs in the framebuffer
[05:57] <knucks> dash: um..i dont see it?
[05:57] <tga> karsten: # apt-cache search " " |wc -l
[05:57] <tga> 16021
[05:57] <dash> knucks: sorry, File Browser
[05:57] <keez> karsten, its a speedstream 5200, do you know?
[05:57] <tga> karsten: this is Hoary though
[05:57] <dash> knucks: and type /usr/share/sounds in the location box
[05:57] <farruinn> dash: ah, I see
[05:57] <blizah> sudo apt-get install linux-686 if you haven't already.or -k7 or -686-smp or -386... whatever matches your kernel.           my question is which matches my kernal
[05:58] <tuxJr_14> is there any ggi based xdialog kinda stuff available in ubuntu repository
[05:58] <karsten> speel: grep ^Package: /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages | wc -l
[05:58] <blizah> im a big n00b
[05:58] <tga> blizah: you mean linux-image-686
[05:58] <knucks> dash: thats not there as well
[05:58] <karsten> tga: I'm not on a ubuntu box
[05:58] <hayden> what packages do i need to install for compiling c programs
[05:58] <tga> karsten: I just gave you a rough estimate of Hoary
[05:58] <karsten> tga: Woah.  That's more than I'd've thought.
[05:58] <dash> knucks: Ah, drat, i'm using a different version of ubuntu from you. sorry
[05:58] <karsten> tga: You got Universe or whatever it is in there?
[05:59] <speel> apt-get install build-essential* or just get the gcc compiler
[05:59] <knucks> ok hold on let me go to that folder tho
[05:59] <karsten> keez: Shouldn't really matter.
[05:59] <Marble2> Okay, can someone help me out? I've had this problem for a while and no one has been able to help me :(. I don't have any sound in vlc under linx. I get these errors when I open a video file
[05:59] <blizah> tga, thats just what that web site says...how do i know which matches my kernal
[05:59] <tga> karsten: that's the problem, it depends on what sources you use
[05:59] <Marble2> [00000217]  mpeg_audio decoder: MPGA channels:2 samplerate:48000 bitrate:192
[05:59] <knucks> usr/share/sounds u said?
[05:59] <tga> blizah: what are you trying to do again?
[05:59] <Marble2>  [00000219]  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp/)
[05:59] <karsten> tga: Yeah.  Stock sources.
[05:59] <keez> oh god
[05:59] <blizah> tga ati drivers
[05:59] <Marble2> I googled for the oss error (which seems to be the root of the problem) and basically what I got was people saying "I reverted to 0.7 or I updated my distro and it worked" or other ranom things
[05:59] <dash> knucks: OK cool
[05:59] <farruinn> Marble2: vlc is trying to use the sound device directly, you need to configure it to use esd or kill esd
[05:59] <tga> blizah: uname -a to get your kernel version
[05:59] <karsten> tga: the case I'm trying to make is that Debian's got ~17.5k packages, Ubuntu slims that down a lot.
[05:59] <knucks> ok im in it
[05:59] <farruinn> Marble2: at least that's my guess
[05:59] <tga> blizah: uname -r really, but -a looks better
[06:00] <keez> i thin i never use ubuntu linux whith my dsl connection
[06:00] <blizah> tga hehe
[06:00] <Marble2> I tried killing esd earlier and that didn't work
[06:00] <Marble2> someone told me to do that
[06:00] <tga> karsten: maybe they can't/won't maintain all of the debian packages
[06:00] <Marble2> what exactly does esd do
[06:00] <keez> this is a sh****
[06:00] <Marble2> and how would I try to configure it to use esd?
[06:00] <dash> Marble2: i usually do "esdctl off"
[06:00] <dash> and then "esdctl on" when done
[06:00] <farruinn> Marble2: esd = enlightenment sound daemon, allows multiple applications to use the sound device
[06:01] <farruinn> at least that's my understanding
[06:01] <knucks> dash: i can play the .wav files
[06:01] <dash> knucks: well, okay
[06:01] <Marble2> ok
[06:01] <dash> that's a first step
[06:01] <karsten> tga: http://archives.seul.org/schoolforge/discuss/Mar-2005/msg00010.html
[06:01] <tga> the Ubuntu drums gave me quite a scare earlier.. I had my speakers turned up when I logged in
[06:01] <Marble2> dash: what does that do?
[06:02] <karsten> tga: Crack-smoking fiend an a bender.  Makes a semi-sound claim that there's too much stuff in Linux.
[06:02] <keez> im from brazil
[06:02] <knucks> so how do i get xmms to work
[06:02] <dash> karsten: ha ha "educators"
[06:02] <keez> im not undertanding very well what you say
[06:02] <tga> karsten: there _is_ too much stuff in most distros
[06:02] <dash> knucks: well first, what comes up when you double click on a wav file? totem?
[06:02] <keez> my english is poor
[06:03] <farruinn> knucks: probably an esd thing again - in preferences make sure the output plugin is eSound
[06:03] <tga> karsten: in most default installs I should say
[06:03] <knucks> if thats the movie player, then yes
[06:03] <karsten> dash: I'm not proud of it, but here's my first response to his stuff: http://archives.seul.org/schoolforge/discuss/Mar-2005/msg00008.html
[06:03] <dash> knucks: OK right
[06:03] <karsten> dash: I'm starting to realize I'm never going to get this hour of my life back....
[06:03] <karsten> tga: Not the way *I* install Debian there's not ;-)
[06:03] <dash> knucks: so i'd try dragging an mp3 file onto that and seeing if it will play it
[06:03] <farruinn> knucks: you'll have to install a plugin to play mp3's with xmms I believe
[06:03] <knucks> hm ok..
[06:04] <dash> karsten: yes, 5 years of irc has taught me "always avoid arguments with timewasting morons"
[06:04] <knucks> farruinn: i cant even start xmms
[06:04] <tga> karsten: that doesn't give you a customized desktop either
[06:04] <knucks> as it didnt come w/ ubuntu, i had to download it..
[06:04] <farruinn> knucks: with apt-get or synaptic?
[06:04] <knucks> and i installed it but it wont start
[06:04] <karsten> tga: The hell it doesn't.  I've got my very own tuned, customized console.
[06:04] <knucks> um
[06:04] <knucks> aptget
[06:04] <karsten> tga: It's got screen, vim, and w3m, just like it should ;-)
[06:05] <tga> good luck browsing with w3m in the console.. I'll let you know when the 80s are over
[06:05] <karsten> dash: My objective is to do a moderately convincing job of demonstrating that he's utterly loony.  Hopefully to forget about it evermore.
[06:06] <tga> happy flaming folks
[06:06] <karsten> tga: Works amazingly well, actually.  Mind, once I've fleshed stuff out, wmaker goes on.
[06:06] <Xenguy> tga: w3m actually does graphics, if you want -- it's a bit of fun :-)
[06:06] <knucks> so can someone help me get xmms working?
[06:06] <karsten> Xenguy: Truth.  So does links ;-)
[06:06] <jah_> Hello all
[06:06] <dash> karsten: it's a lost cause, the incentive structure in american gov't education is totally backwards
[06:06] <jah_> I cannot get X to load. I have tried: xf86config pkgreconfigure xserver-xfree86 (sp?) xfree86 -configure modprobe nvidia
[06:06] <karsten> dash: There's islands of hope.  I'm working with a school ATM has a lab set up with six, soon to be seven, Linux  boxes.
[06:07] <Xenguy> karsten: I run wmaker also - that's 2 things we agree on :-)
[06:07] <farruinn> knucks: it should be in the multimedia menu or whatever
[06:07] <dash> knucks: anyhow, does totem play mp3s?
[06:07] <jah_> When i try to startx it says "(EE) No devices Found" Followed by "no screen found"
[06:07] <jah_>  And X server fails to load.
[06:07] <dash> jah_: what video hardware?
[06:07] <knucks> dash: yes
[06:07] <farruinn> knucks: if not hit alt+F2 and type xmms
[06:07] <jah_> GeForce 6800gt
[06:07] <dash> knucks: Okay cool! that's a first step
[06:07] <karsten> dash: Mixed distros -- MDK, RH, SuSE, Deb, Ubuntu.  And the facilitator's gung ho to try LTSP
[06:07] <karsten> Xenguy: Dig.
[06:07] <jah_> Mandrake (Xfree?) and Slackware (Xorg) both work fine :(
[06:08] <knucks> so i have the mp3 plugin on my kernel..
[06:08] <knucks> now to get the actual xmms working
[06:08] <knucks> i cant even start it
[06:09] <hitriko-sama> can i install ubnutu without burning the iso to cd
[06:09] <dash> knucks: well, mp3 isn't in your kernel :) totem uses a media framework called gstreamer, and its mp3 support appears to work
[06:09] <knucks> bah
[06:09] <knucks> ok..well
[06:09] <dash> knucks: anyway i would try opening a terminal and starting xmms from inside it
[06:09] <knucks> dash: i did apt-get xmms and it told me its already installed
[06:09] <dash> just to see if it prints anything amazing
[06:09] <knucks> so i know i have it..
[06:09] <karsten> Hrm.  Looks like Ubuntu includes "essentially all of the packages available in the Debian repositories".  But the installer has a pre-tuned subset?
[06:10] <hitriko-sama> ...? can i install ubuntu without having a cd? like install it off of my computer?
[06:10] <jah_> dash, any ideas?
[06:10] <knucks> dash: how do i open xmms from the terminal?
[06:10] <hitriko-sama> .............
[06:10] <Xenguy> knucks: type -> xmms   ?
[06:10] <knucks> ok did that
[06:10] <knucks> this is what i get:
[06:11] <dash> knucks: type 'xmms'
[06:11] <knucks> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory
[06:11] <knucks> and theit goes on to say more..
[06:11] <dash> knucks: http://rafb.net/paste
[06:12] <Xenguy> knucks: what output does this give -> dpkg -l libmikmod2
[06:12] <Xenguy> ?
[06:12] <knucks> dpkg: unknown option -1
[06:13] <Xenguy> knucks: 'ell', not 'one' :-)
[06:13] <hitriko-sama> can i install ubnutu without burning the iso to cd
[06:13] <knucks> oh hah
[06:13] <knucks> um
[06:13] <knucks> desired=unknown/install/remove/purge/hold
[06:13] <SiRrUs> good evening
[06:13] <knucks> status=not/installed/config-files/unpacked
[06:13] <duncanm> i want to use Sound Juicer, but it doesn't make mp3s
[06:14] <knucks> oh /failed-config/Half-installed
[06:14] <duncanm> is there anything i can do about that?
[06:14] <jah_> ok no1 can help here either? :/
[06:14] <Marble2> by default, where is my sound card located
[06:14] <jah_>  /dev/dsp
[06:15] <dash> knucks: the first two letters of the last line are the important part
[06:15] <knucks> http://rafb.net/paste/results/sK9kRW13.html
[06:15] <dash> knucks: it probably either says 'pn' or 'ii'
[06:15] <andy__> say i have button one, button two, and button three (no scroll wheel).  how would i go about writing a config entry (or something) to scroll whenever i hold down button 3, and move the mouse up or down?
[06:15] <Xenguy> knucks: apt-get install libmikmod2
[06:16] <knucks> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[06:16] <knucks> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[06:16] <Xenguy> knucks: sudo
[06:16] <packman_e> hello all
[06:16] <knucks> ugh i knew that..
[06:16] <Xenguy> knucks: sudo apt-get install libmikmod2
[06:16] <knucks> ok
[06:16] <knucks> did that
[06:17] <knucks> xmms loaded
[06:17] <knucks> now how do i put it in my panel?
[06:17] <packman_e> just figured out why the ubuntu website took ages to load
[06:17] <packman_e> my bastard internet reset itself
[06:18] <packman_e> i started to wonder when i was the only one in the room talking to myself for 10 minutes
[06:18] <blizah> ive installed the ati control pannel to use for dual monitors but where is the file to run it?
[06:18] <Marble2> how can I configure esd?
[06:19] <Quarupt> well i spent all that time getting gaim-vv to work and now i lost the ability to send files via msn
[06:19] <blizah> ive done a whereis and it said was in /user/share/fglxr but theres only a file called diversions in there with one file
[06:19] <knucks> ok
[06:19] <knucks> yaya
[06:19] <knucks> xmms works
[06:19] <knucks> now how do i throw it up in the panel?
[06:19] <Errejo> knucks, create a launcher
[06:19] <knucks> how
[06:19] <dash> knucks: well
[06:20] <dash> knucks: is it not on the Sound & Video menu?
[06:20] <knucks> nope
[06:20] <SiRrUs> have you logged out and back in
[06:20] <dash> you shouldn't have to
[06:20] <SiRrUs> yep at times you do
[06:21] <knucks> ill try it later
[06:21] <Marble2> does anyone have the homepage for esd? I can't find it in google
[06:21] <knucks> can you guys please help me real quick w/ firefox?
[06:21] <blizah> nevermind i found it
[06:21] <Xenguy> knucks: ambitious, aren't we? :-)
[06:21] <knucks> very
[06:21] <Xenguy> hehe
[06:21] <dash> knucks: anyway, to add a launcher just right click on the panel and click "add to panel"
[06:21] <knucks> ahh ok
[06:22] <knucks> ill try that tomorrow
[06:22] <SiRrUs> Marble2 type esd in your browser it should show you the home page
[06:22] <knucks> i want to get firefox working so i can sleep well
[06:22] <Xenguy> knucks: does FF not "just work" ?
[06:22] <knucks> i have firefox .9 right now..and i download 1.0
[06:22] <knucks> how do i "upgrade"
[06:23] <Marble2> electrostatic discharge association?
[06:23] <Xenguy> knucks: what command did you use to "download 1.0" ?
[06:23] <knucks> i got it off mozilla.org
[06:23] <SiRrUs> isnt there more to choose from Marble2
[06:23] <Xenguy> knucks: you should use 'apt-get'
[06:23] <StoffBox-Steve> Xenguy, downlaod it over the website
[06:23] <ljlane> Marble2, it's easy to find as "esound", but Eric hasn't touched it in years. I think the GNOME folks are updating it these days.
[06:23] <knucks> what do i type in to get it by aptget?
[06:23] <Xenguy> knucks: apt-get update ; apt-get install <packagename>
[06:24] <Xenguy> knucks: er, prepend 'sudo' to that
[06:24] <knucks> yeh..
[06:24] <knucks> so
[06:24] <knucks> sudo apt-get firefox-1.0.1 ?
[06:24] <Marble2> ljlane: are there any viable alternatives other than esd?
[06:24] <StoffBox-Steve> knucks, unpack the it, than install the where you what and set it up as the standart browser
[06:24] <Xenguy> knucks: do -> dpkg -l *firefox*
[06:24] <Xenguy> knucks: that should tell you the package to apt-get
[06:24] <StoffBox-Steve> knucks, unpack it, than install it where you what,  than set it up as the standart browser  << look better ..
[06:24] <Quarupt> anyone have a webcam, i wanna test this gaim-vv see if it was worth all the rouble
[06:24] <dash> mmpht
[06:25] <dash> Xenguy: aptitude is more fun
[06:25] <ljlane> Marble2: alsa with the dmix plug-in is nice
[06:25] <Xenguy> dash: for you perhaps ;-)
[06:25] <StoffBox-Steve> Quarupt, gaim-vv .. get it over apt ? ...
[06:25] <knucks> knucks@knucks:~ $ dpkg -l *firefox*
[06:25] <knucks> No packages found matching firefox-1.0.1.installer.tar.gz.
[06:25] <dash> yeah, not so good of an idea
[06:25] <Errejo> this is pretty nice for newbies btw : http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[06:25] <dash> knucks: the package name is mozilla-firefox
[06:25] <packman_e> can anyone reccomend a good linux tutorial or linux book please
[06:25] <StoffBox-Steve> knucks, you run warty or hoary ?
[06:25] <Xenguy> knucks: change to a different directory, then re-run the 'dpkg' command
[06:25] <uMkulu> Xenguy: that doesn't look right
[06:26] <knucks> hell if i know
[06:26] <Xenguy> uMkulu: ?
[06:26] <uMkulu> i don't know, xenguy
[06:26] <dash> knucks: if you installed it off a CD and have not edited /etc/apt/sources.list, it is warty :)
[06:26] <Xenguy> uMkulu: bot?
[06:26] <uMkulu> it has been said that bot is refusing to co-operate
[06:26] <dash> Xenguy: no
[06:26] <dash> Xenguy: * doesn't work like you think it does
[06:26] <knucks> knucks@knucks:/ $ dpkg -l *firefox*
[06:26] <knucks> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[06:26] <knucks> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[06:26] <knucks> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[06:26] <Xenguy> dash: sigh
[06:26] <knucks> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[06:26] <knucks> +++-[06:26] <knucks> ii  mozilla-firefo 0.99+1.0PR.1+r lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
[06:27] <dash> knucks: well there you go, it's already installed
[06:27] <Xenguy> knucks: apt-get update ; apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[06:27] <Xenguy> dash: he wants to upgrade
[06:28] <StoffBox-Steve> Xenguy, when he run warty, the last version of firefox for him is 0.9.3 .. 1.0.1 is not for warty ( wasnt for a few days :D )
[06:28] <Xenguy> knucks: er, sudo etc. etc.
[06:28] <dash> Xenguy: yeah but he's running warty, and AFAICT that's the latest
[06:28] <Xenguy> StoffBox-Steve: ahh, OK (I'm not actually on an Ubu box right ATM :-)
[06:28] <knucks> this is all great and all, but what do i do?
[06:28] <Xenguy> dash: nod
[06:28] <knucks> lol
[06:29] <Xenguy> knucks: hey, my main box is debian -- what can I do ;-)
[06:29] <Quarupt> anyone know what port(s) the remote desktop app in hoary uses? theres no way to change it so i just wanna know what the default is?
[06:29] <knucks> so how do i upgrade to 1.0.1
[06:29] <StoffBox-Steve> knucks, just unpack it than go to the floder ( per console ) and > sh firefox.bin ( think ) what i look
[06:29] <Xenguy> knucks: StoffBox-Steve is suggesting wait for a few days for the package to come down the pipe :-)
[06:29] <knucks> lol
[06:30] <StoffBox-Steve> knucks, you cant upgrade firefox to 1.0.1 on warty over apt-get .. but wait :D
[06:30] <Xenguy> knucks: or you could *gasp* upgrade to hoary (and risk breaking all kinds of things -- fun, fun ;-)
[06:31] <knucks> yeh i got the gz file
[06:31] <knucks> i extracted it
[06:31] <Quarupt> anyone?
[06:31] <Quarupt> anyone?
[06:31] <Quarupt> anyone know what port(s) the remote desktop app in hoary uses? theres no way to change it so i just wanna know what the default is?
[06:31] <StoffBox-Steve> well a real hell, upgrade the frist time kill my whole system .. set up new and upgrade it again .. work *puhh* i was so happy :D
[06:31] <Quarupt> oops sorry didnt mean to repeat
[06:31] <knucks> gn
[06:31] <knucks> hm
[06:31] <knucks> i guess ill wait then
[06:31] <Quarupt> usual your not here anymore are ya
[06:31] <Xenguy> knucks: it can get messy to mix compiling programs by hand, with apt-get's package system -- I don't recommend it (you don't need the latest FF that bad)
[06:32] <knucks> ok quick question then..
[06:32] <knucks> i got a partition thats still ntfs (has all my movies and mp3s)
[06:32] <knucks> how can i access it?
[06:32] <Errejo> Quarupt, my guess is 5900
[06:32] <Quarupt> okay, how can i be sure?
[06:32] <StoffBox-Steve> knucks, you get the installer of firefox or the normal package ?
[06:32] <dash> knucks: Hmm. well, it'll be read-only access, for one thing
[06:33] <StoffBox-Steve> whats the name of the file you downloaded ?
[06:33] <Errejo> Quarupt, read the manual :)
[06:33] <Quarupt> is there a script or GUI to configure VNC?
[06:33] <Xenguy> knucks: good question - linux is mostly NTFS read-only ATM -- I'd be tempted to consider converting to vfat, but if you try that, back up everything first ;-)
[06:33] <knucks> firefox-installer1.0.1.tar.gz
[06:33] <StoffBox-Steve> ok :D
[06:33] <dash> knucks: Crud. I know how to do this from the command line and by editing config files, but not from the gnome tools :)
[06:33] <StoffBox-Steve> just wait i sec i downlaod it ... :D
[06:34] <knucks> Xenguy: whats the best way to transfer files from the ntfs to a linux partition and then delete the ntfs one and make it a linux one?
[06:34] <StoffBox-Steve> ok knucks , unpack the file
[06:34] <knucks> k done..
[06:34] <knucks> its in /home/firefox-installer..
[06:35] <StoffBox-Steve> ok browse to /home/firefox-installer/
[06:35] <Xenguy> knucks: I haven't tried messing with NTFS -- see if you can mount NTFS and use 'cp' to transfer a file  ?
[06:35] <Errejo> knucks, cd to dir, and go ./INSTALL
[06:35] <Xenguy> knucks: from NTFS to linux partition
[06:35] <knucks> StoffBox-Steve: ok done that..
[06:35] <StoffBox-Steve> simple > sh firefox-installer  Errejo :D FF have a install-gui
[06:36] <Felo> Need assistance in configuring wireless conection..
[06:36] <knucks> sh?
[06:36] <StoffBox-Steve> ok in a console i hope knucks ;D
[06:36] <knucks> yeahh
[06:36] <Errejo> hehe
[06:36] <StoffBox-Steve> ok dann > sh firefox-installer
[06:36] <StoffBox-Steve> dann / than
[06:36] <knucks> ok..
[06:36] <knucks> what folder should i install it in
[06:37] <StoffBox-Steve> now a easy to use WindowsLike installer comes up :D
[06:37] <Felo> Help!
[06:37] <StoffBox-Steve> there you what knucks . i have a extra floder for software calles _programms in my homedir
[06:37] <knucks> o
[06:37] <knucks> i cant seem to install it in /usr/bin/
[06:37] <knucks> wont let me
[06:38] <blizah> how do i make the app that lets you browse your hard drive not open a new window and leave the the old one each time you go from folder to folder?
[06:38] <_dev_> anyone know how or where I can get larger pointers?
[06:38] <StoffBox-Steve> when you whant that knucks ... cannel the installer and do > sudo sh firefox-installer
[06:38] <_dev_> I wanna make my pointer bigger
[06:38] <Felo> Need to configure wireless device...
[06:38] <knucks> im confused steve
[06:39] <Felo> Wireless USB conection
[06:39] <dash> _dev_: i keep getting spam about that
[06:39] <StoffBox-Steve> /usr/bin can only be access as ROOT user knucks, when you use sudo you make thinks as ROOTUSER
[06:39] <dash> erf
[06:40] <_dev_> haha was that a joke
[06:40] <knucks> i already made a Programs folder in my home directory..
[06:40] <dash> installing things as root yourself is sadness
[06:40] <dash> knucks: yeah, don't put it in /usr/bin
[06:40] <StoffBox-Steve> that installed it to that folder :D
[06:40] <StoffBox-Steve> than
[06:40] <knucks> i installed firefox into /home/knucks
[06:40] <knucks> so how do i make it default and get rid of .9 now
[06:40] <StoffBox-Steve> ok than you have a new folder called > firefox in it :D
[06:41] <blizah> anyone know?...ive looked in preferances and cant see anything to do this option
[06:41] <dash> knucks: that's hard
[06:41] <dash> knucks: the easy way to do that is upgrade to hoary, unfortunately.
[06:41] <StoffBox-Steve> type > gnome-default-applications-properties in the consoel a gui come up where you can set the standart programms
[06:43] <knucks> ok i guess im done for tonight
[06:43] <StoffBox-Steve> on the web browser tab  check custom and type in somethink like that > home/steve/_programme/firefox/firefox %s  the %s is a wildcard for the websiteaddress :D
[06:43] <knucks> thanks for all your help
[06:43] <Errejo> blizah, view - preferences I guess
[06:43] <lukewarm> first boot into hoary   =)
[06:43] <blizah> ive been in edit-preferances
[06:43] <blizah> cant see the option anywehre
[06:43] <knucks> zzz guys
[06:43] <Tjdw> does hoary have good mono/gtk# support?
[06:43] <imaek> Hello. Does anyone here know how to use 'mencoder'?
[06:44] <Marble2> Is there any way for me to setup hotkeys in XMMS?
[06:44] <Errejo> blizah, behaviour - always open in browser windows works kinda like that
[06:44] <Xenguy> knucks: yw
[06:45] <imaek> Does anyone here know how I can convert some .WMA songs to .MP3 (possibly using mencoder)?
[06:45] <blizah> ah i guess that works
[06:45] <blizah> do you guys have it where it keeps the last window?
[06:45] <blizah> gets annoying :D
[06:46] <blizah> errejo also, this is kind of obscure, but is there any way to change the default size?
[06:48] <blizah> someobody needs to make file viewing auto size the filename, size, type so it fits readable as best it can
[06:49] <neom> Does anyone know how to view all the current mounts?
[06:49] <dash> neom: 'mount' will tell you
[06:50] <unamaus> hello alll
[06:50] <unamaus> does anyone know how to setup dual monitors? i use a radeon
[06:50] <dash> i would like to know that too!
[06:51] <unamaus> i also need to know how to get my scsi drives to show (only the primary shows)
[06:52] <Tjdw> unamaus, dash: do you have video cards with dual monitor ports?
[06:52] <unamaus> yeah
[06:52] <unamaus> ati radeon 9800
[06:52] <unamaus> pro
[06:52] <Tjdw> If so, I think the drivers should recognize the combined monitors as one, and allow you to use some resolution that is double-width, etc.
[06:53] <Tjdw> and the card should translate
[06:53] <stuNNed> anyone else having troubles with slowness and hoary i've put up some packages to temporarily fix: http://uclinux.info/lance/ubuntu/xorg_downgrade/
[06:53] <dash> Tjdw: yeah, but you gotta smack xorg.conf a bit to make it work, last i checked
[06:53] <Tjdw> okay
[06:53] <Quarupt> does ubuntu come with and burning software? like K3b or Xcdroast?
[06:53] <imaek> Does anyone here know how I can convert some .WMA songs to .MP3 (possibly using mencoder)?
[06:53] <dash> Quarupt: yes, k3b.
[06:53] <Quarupt> cool
[06:53] <Quarupt> i didnt see it in any menus
[06:53] <imaek> (21:53:09) SoccerIsTheBest: narutos gay :@
[06:53] <imaek> (21:53:12) SoccerIsTheBest: i saw 3 epsiodes
[06:53] <imaek> (21:53:15) SoccerIsTheBest: and than i waas like
[06:53] <imaek> (21:53:16) SoccerIsTheBest: dbzs better
[06:54] <Quarupt> must have to use a console
[06:54] <unamaus> the driver is an rpm
[06:54] <imaek> ......
[06:54] <imaek> whoops.
[06:54] <Tjdw> dash: I've not had to edit xorg.conf ever, so sorry.
[06:54] <unamaus> i'm new to ubuntu so i'm very unfamiliar with getting the ati linux driver installed
[06:55] <Quarupt> dash,  I had to apt-get install it
[06:55] <unamaus> i wish there was something in the apt-get
[06:55] <dash> Tjdw: Yeah, i've had to because of running kernels that don't support AGP. It's not exciting :)
[06:55] <dash> Quarupt: yes
[06:55] <neom> I'm getting some messed up mount errors.
[06:55] <dash> unamaus: there is! but
[06:55] <dash> unamaus: you have to add the multiverse repo to your apt config
[06:55] <dash> unamaus: do you use synaptic?
[06:56] <unamaus> yep
[06:56] <blizah> anyway to make the gdesklet rss-grab bigger in height so i can see more articles?
[06:56] <unamaus> what would i be looking for?
[06:56] <dash> unamaus: click on settings -> repositories
[06:56] <unamaus> ok
[06:57] <monoxide> has anyone ever had troubles by just updateing a few packages instead of all the packages?
[06:57] <dash> then click add
[06:57] <unamaus> ok
[06:57] <dash> monoxide: that's never a problem, it will automatically pull the ones it needs
[06:57] <neom> Anyone have any suggestions on this error?
[06:57] <neom> 7347: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - 71
[06:57] <neom> SMB connection failed
[06:57] <dash> unamaus: check Universe and Multiverse
[06:57] <monoxide> well HAL has killed itself, and bash says "I have no name!@matthew-linux:~ $" as the prompt
[06:58] <dash> unamaus: making sure you pick the version you're using (hoary or warty)
[06:58] <dash> unamaus: close that, then update
[06:58] <unamaus> my repositories has only "new" when i list sections it shows contrib, multiverse, univers
[06:59] <dash> unamaus: OK
[06:59] <unamaus> what am i looking for?
[06:59] <unamaus> xfree86?
[06:59] <dash> unamaus: linux-restricted-modules
[07:00] <unamaus> ah Base Systems
[07:00] <monoxide> plus gedit is VERY slow and so is nautilus
[07:00] <monoxide> and i updated all of those last night, and i have only had problems since last night
[07:00] <monoxide> except bash
[07:01] <kamarudin> hello all, how can i total remove prism54 module from my system
[07:01] <chz> hello
[07:01] <unamaus> hmm should i upgrade to linux-686?
[07:01] <unamaus> SMP
[07:01] <unamaus> chat my machine is a xeon
[07:01] <unamaus> oop
[07:02] <dash> heh
[07:02] <dash> MUD damage!
[07:02] <unamaus> yeah sorry
[07:02] <chz> i have a question for anybody....my computer died recently and i think it maybe the power supply (i hope its just the power supply). i try plugging it in but nothing turns on...is there a way to test the power supply itself to see if it truly is the problem?
[07:02] <dash> unamaus: np :)
[07:02] <unamaus> chz hehe i had that same problem
[07:02] <j-rock> chz: swap it with a different power supply
[07:02] <dash> chz: well, if the fans don't even turn on, it's almost definitely the power supply
[07:02] <j-rock> thats about the best way i have
[07:03] <chz> yeah...nothing
[07:03] <unamaus> chz reset the board if youve already tried
[07:03] <chz> it should at least click rite..?
[07:03] <chz> like the PS fan should just move a small notch when plugged in correct..
[07:03] <chz> PS=power supply....jic..
[07:03] <unamaus> chz actually can u reset your mobo?
[07:04] <chz> i thinxo...not to sure..
[07:04] <chz> i have to look at the mobo manual...
[07:04] <Errejo> how come there's no ops here ?
[07:04] <unamaus> chz try resetting it sometimes its the mobo preventing the PS from turning on especially if this is a new atx board
[07:04] <chz> i even tried unplugging the PS from the mobo to see if it would click...still nothing..
[07:04] <dash> Errejo: stealth ninja ops
[07:05] <chz> yeah..it is a new atx board...
[07:05] <dash> Errejo: you never see them until it is too late
[07:05] <chz> i just installed all this a few weeks ago...was a pain...but i got it to work...now its dead..=(
[07:05] <Errejo> dash, uhm .. ok
[07:05] <unamaus> dash should i be upgrading my linux kernel to linux-686-SMP?
[07:05] <blizah> how do i get the firefox that comes with ubuntu to use a life text find?...like as i type the letters it finds them as i type them
[07:06] <dash> unamaus: well, if you have SMP intel CPUs, then it probably won't huty
[07:06] <dash> er, hurt
[07:06] <chz> blizah: upgrade to firefox 1.0...you'd have to update ur repositories with the ones on ubuntuguide.org
[07:07] <unamaus> ok thanks xeons are by nature smp
[07:07] <dash> unamaus: how many do you have?
[07:07] <blizah> can i do that w/ out going to hedgehog or whatever its called?
[07:07] <blizah> hoary..
[07:07] <unamaus> its a dual xeon
[07:07] <dash> fun
[07:07] <unamaus> they only work in pairs hehe
[07:07] <chz> yeah..its not hoary-fied..
[07:08] <blizah> as it stands does my firefox contain the latest security fixes?
[07:08] <unamaus> as for the dual monitor stuff i don't seem to find anything regarding that
[07:08] <chz> its still warty...i think it maybe a lil buggy...i've been experiencing sum firefox closing...
[07:08] <unamaus> whoa
[07:08] <unamaus> now i found it
[07:08] <unamaus> weird
[07:09] <unamaus> i don't remember reloading
[07:10] <unamaus> i'm more of a hardware junkie than a software one which explains my newbness
[07:10] <chz> so...anybody one last question...i must use an ATX power supply....i cant try with an old P2 machines power supply..?
[07:10] <unamaus> umm no
[07:10] <StoffBox-Steve> someone can tell me a nice FTP client for Ubuntu ?
[07:11] <dash> StoffBox-Steve: nautilus? :)
[07:11] <chz> StoffBox-Steve: i use gftp...
[07:11] <unamaus> as a matter of voltage and motherboard safety i suggest u don't unless your p2 has p4 4pin power
[07:11] <dash> who uses ftp these days, though?
[07:11] <StoffBox-Steve> nautilus is foobar at FTP *GG*
[07:11] <dash> other than warez kiddies
[07:11] <unamaus> *raises his hand*
[07:11] <lukewarm> another vote for gftp
[07:11] <dash> unamaus: really! by choice?
[07:11] <chz> unamaus: gotcha....i'll go and purchase one...if its the case..i'll keep it...if not..just return it..=P
[07:11] <unamaus> hehe
[07:12] <chz> hopefully it is...i'd hate for my computer to have been fried...i just spent 7 bills to get this thing together...
[07:12] <StoffBox-Steve> dash, i have my Own Webserver ... how i uplaod file ? per FTP right ?!
[07:12] <unamaus> actually when it comes to software i'm very behind
[07:12] <dash> StoffBox-Steve: i'd use sftp
[07:12] <unamaus> chz do you happen to know what chipset and mobo u got?
[07:12] <monoxide> so as i said, HAL is not working... and its causing things to be screwy
[07:13] <dash> monoxide: "i'm sorry dave, I can't let you access that device"
[07:13] <unamaus> i could give you a heads up on what is more likely to survive a straight shot voltage surge
[07:13] <monoxide> dash?
[07:13] <unamaus> ssvs is when a line conditioner or surge protector doesn't curve out power spikes
[07:13] <chz> i got the new Sempron 2400+....with a soyo kt600 dragon plus
[07:13] <StoffBox-Steve> a link for a preview of sftp / gftp ? anyone ?
[07:13] <dash> monoxide: sorry, 2001 reference ;)
[07:14] <dash> StoffBox-Steve: sftp is a protocol
[07:14] <dash> it does not suck like ftp does
[07:14] <dash> if you can use ssh, you can use sftp
[07:14] <dash> nautilus speaks it
[07:14] <lukewarm> gftp does sftp (ftp is plaintext protocol like telnet, sftp is secure like ssh)
[07:14] <monoxide> heh... i wanted to watch that movie, but never got around to it...
[07:14] <StoffBox-Steve> i know but you must use a client too :D
[07:14] <chz> unamaus: i got the new Sempron 2400+....with a soyo kt600 dragon plus (c/p)
[07:14] <unamaus> oow... i'll bet the northbridge is located just right of the agp slot
[07:15] <monoxide> lukewarm, sftp == ftp with SSL encryption
[07:15] <dash> except it isn't ssl
[07:15] <chz> unamaus: wuts the northbridge..?
[07:15] <dash> or ftp
[07:15] <unamaus> heh do u have a nic card laying around?
[07:15] <dash> it's file transfer over ssh
[07:16] <unamaus> if so stick it on the topmost pci slot you have and plug your tower for power
[07:16] <chz> hmm..i believe so...i'd have to look around for one..
[07:16] <unamaus> if the nic card lights up or even blinks then your in luck
[07:16] <mips> Help. With hoary array 5 AMD64 how can I specify wich kernel to install ?
[07:17] <chz> ok...and if it doesnt..?
[07:17] <monoxide> mips, apt-get install linux-image-version-arch
[07:17] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm that sounds to be a good way :D have you a link for more information about that dash ?
[07:17] <monoxide> put in version number and architechture
[07:17] <mips> monoxide, i want to specify this during the cd install
[07:18] <monoxide> well then it has to be on the cd, and i would think that there is only one version on the cd?
[07:19] <chz> unamaus: would it be the power supply if it doesnt flash..?
[07:19] <unamaus> chat no it would be the board
[07:19] <unamaus> sorry argh i keep doing that
[07:19] <siimo> hi where did the 4-5MB boot iso go? there used to be a daily one for hoary
[07:19] <unamaus> 'chat'
[07:19] <mips> monoxide, not sure what kernels are on the cd but it isntalls the amd6-generic kernel. I will go a normal install and then do a apt-get
[07:20] <unamaus> chat current boards allow PS to bypass to PCI power feeds for nic cards specifically
[07:20] <unamaus> i never understood why
[07:20] <dash> StoffBox-Steve: hmm? just do "sftp://somehost.foo/home/me/" in nautilus
[07:21] <unamaus> which is why when your PS is unplugged your nic card indicater still blinks
[07:21] <lukewarm> network nic card
[07:21] <unamaus> yep
[07:21] <siimo> :?
[07:22] <lukewarm> automatic atm machine
[07:22] <lukewarm> personal pin number
[07:22] <unamaus> onboard nic is another method but usually they drain faster than nic cards so u won't be able to see flashing while its off
[07:22] <monoxide> rpg games
[07:22] <sic|> has anyone tried to install the dvd version of UT2004 in linux?
[07:23] <unamaus> chz you still should reset your bios (set jumper to reset) for a couple seconds
[07:23] <unamaus> because even saying the board ain't powering doesn't mean much
[07:25] <unamaus> or one way is to get a tester (voltage tester) and stick it to the cmos battery (take cmos battery off) i've seen other techs do that
[07:25] <chz> i got DMM...would that help..?
[07:26] <Hikaru79> Can Windows read an ext3 partition, or Linux an NTFS partition?
[07:26] <unamaus> i don't usually do that, due to fear of cross connecting negative positive connectors
[07:26] <chz> DMM's wouldnt matter..it would just give u a negative number =P
[07:26] <mips> Anybody have any recommendation on how to partion a 160GB disk for Ubuntu ?
[07:26] <unamaus> how do i run fglrx?
[07:27] <unamaus> sorry if i sound noobish i am very very noobish
[07:27] <monoxide> Hikaru79, i believe there is a driver on sourceforge that allows that, but out of the box, no.
[07:27] <Hikaru79> monoxide, allows which one? Both?
[07:27] <unamaus> NTFS is a windows thing
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:27] <monoxide> mips, i did 4 parts on my 200GB drive
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> anyone tried out the kde 3.4 packages ?
[07:28] <monoxide> the ext3 partition
[07:28] <unamaus> heh dunno how that helps
[07:28] <monoxide> no idea about ntfs on linux
[07:28] <unamaus> samba
[07:28] <monoxide> Hikaru79, tell me if you find something. i wanna run a ubuntu/XP dualboot on here.
[07:29] <mips> monoxide, why 4 ? And what type/size are they ?
[07:29] <unamaus> so umm any idea on how i can run this fglrx?
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> and tell me, what is the use of emacs ? if i dont ever use it, is it ok to remvoe it ?
[07:29] <unamaus> wow emacs haven't heard of that in so long
[07:29] <chz> o wow..it turned on..>???
[07:29] <chz> how wierd..
[07:29] <unamaus> hehe
[07:30] <monoxide> mips, i have 3 HDDs. i can /msg you my fstab if you want
[07:30] <unamaus> chz so which advice did u take?
[07:30] <chz> i've been trying for so long to get this thing to work...wow...
[07:30] <da_bon_bon> anyone tried out the kde 3.4 packages ?
[07:30] <chz> actually...i took the power supply out...and then reconnected it to check the nic card..
[07:30] <unamaus> lol
[07:30] <mips> monoxide, thanks, that would be nice. I currently looking at the partioning screen for my setup
[07:30] <chz> then hit the power button...
[07:31] <chz> but i did that like...50 times already..
[07:31] <unamaus> then guess what
[07:31] <unamaus> chat one of your pci slots is fried
[07:31] <dash> emacs is a programmer's best friend (after python)
[07:31] <dash> but if you never use it you can of course remove it.
[07:31] <chz> hmm...how do i check that out...
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> dash: but what if i dont use it ? is it 'safe' to rmeove - ?
[07:32] <unamaus> take the nic card out relocate it to another
[07:32] <dash> yes.
[07:32] <unamaus> and another until the mobo don't switch on
[07:32] <dash> da_bon_bon: besides, if it wasn't it would show you all the things that removing emacs would remove
[07:32] <chz> hmm..ok..
[07:32] <chz> do u think it could also be the harddrive..cuz i think my hard drive is fried..?
[07:32] <unamaus> btw if you have any other pci peripherals like a sound card or firewire card use it on the topmost slot
[07:33] <unamaus> chz nah your hd should be ok
[07:33] <unamaus> chat your nic card uses the least amount of i/o volt
[07:33] <unamaus> and trust me you don't want that thing on a slot that's close to your nbridge
[07:33] <unamaus> nic cards don't have good resistors
[07:34] <unamaus> sound cards on the other hand are good with ssvs
[07:34] <chz> its a long story of how all this happened...power shut off for a sec...then reset the comp...ubuntu wouldnt boot...saying sum fault...so i tried reformatting and isntalling again...but kept givin me errors...
[07:34] <unamaus> chz i still don't think your hd is fried
[07:34] <chz> then ran a check and it said sumthin bout hda_dma erorrs..or sumthing...
[07:35] <chz> let it run with ubuntu live....then it shut off by itself...then never started bak on until 2 mins ago..=P
[07:35] <chz> hmm...i'll try the switching nic thing..
[07:37] <unamaus> so umm where and what do i do to configure this fglrx?
[07:39] <unamaus> hmm guess i just gotta reboot huh?
[07:39] <thoreauputic> drivers
[07:39] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: drivers
[07:39] <uMkulu> drivers is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto , for HOWTOs on ATI and Nvidia drivers in Ubuntu
[07:39] <unamaus> thank you
[07:40] <xed> I need help with something..
[07:40] <xed> Where can I go and paste an error I am constantly getting to show what the issue is..?
[07:40] <dash> xed: http://rafb.net/paste
[07:40] <eleazar> hello, anyone can tell me how to config ALSA? coz i tried to run alsaconf and it didnt work, any suggestions?
[07:40] <dash> eleazar: what part do you want to configure
[07:41] <unamaus> brb
[07:41] <thoreauputic> eleazar: alsaconf is not included in ubuntu
[07:41] <unamaus> quit
[07:41] <eleazar> thoreauputic, so how do i configure alsa?
[07:41] <HillTops> I'm logged into the new Hoary live CD and so am a bit of a disadvantage -- my notes and links to help are on my USB thumb drive. How do I mount it R/W or even as read?
[07:41] <dash> eleazar: what's to configure?
[07:41] <monoxide> apt-get install alsaconf?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> eleazar: unfortunately, I don't know
[07:42] <dash> monoxide: probably not
[07:42] <dash> HillTops: does the "Computer" window not show it?
[07:42] <eleazar> dash: well, i want to make my audigy work :/
[07:42] <eleazar> monoxide i tried that and it didnt work
[07:42] <dash> eleazar: okay. did you adjust the mixer?
[07:43] <xed> http://rafb.net/paste/results/qEIGG596.html <-- Thats the error I am constantly getting. =/
[07:43] <ferris> Hiltops the OS should recognize it
[07:43] <eleazar> dash: yeah, but the mixer only detects my onboard card
[07:43] <thoreauputic> crimsun, I think, said alsaconf is deprecated and in danger of being dropped from debian as well
[07:43] <ferris> do you get an icon in the 'computer' folder?
[07:43] <HillTops> dash, I don't see it,  I looked in /mnt and don't see /sha1 or what ever.
[07:44] <xed> can anyone help me with that? http://rafb.net/paste/results/qEIGG596.html
[07:44] <xed> I am getting that same error every friggin single time I install anything
[07:44] <dash> HillTops: it'd be in /media, maybe. but i meant in nautilus
[07:44] <HillTops> ferris, do I have to unplug it and replug it in??
[07:44] <ferris> the usb drive should be sda1
[07:44] <dash> HillTops: it couldn't hurt!
[07:44] <ferris> try unplugging it
[07:44] <ferris> lol dash
[07:45] <HillTops> dash, OK, and I let CD activity die down... and replug it in. OK here goes. :)
[07:46] <xed> No, no one wants to help?
[07:46] <ferris> xed
[07:46] <ferris> hold on
[07:46] <thoreauputic> xed: what is mwavem?
[07:46] <xed> thoreauputic, how would I go about knowing that!?
[07:46] <xed> I don't really know, it just showed up.. after I tried installing acpi
[07:47] <dash> xed: yeah, looks like you need to apt-get remove mwavem
[07:47] <xed> now I get the same error for anything
[07:47] <xed> what IS mwavem!?
[07:47] <ferris> xed, are you using ubuntu?
[07:47] <dash> xed: stuff for an mwave modem, i bet.
[07:47] <xed> ferris, yes
[07:47] <thoreauputic> xed: apt-cache search says it's a modem thing
[07:47] <HillTops> Oh my !!!! I see it: LEXAR MEDIA. It was there all the time. Didn't recognize such a friendly name. Now how about my old FAT32 hard disk, /dev/hdb1 ??
[07:47] <dash> xed: also i am betting you don't have one
[07:47] <xed> dash: I don't really know.. don't really use my modem on ubuntu
[07:47] <xed> or in windows for that matter. =/
[07:47] <eleazar> so, nobody knows how can i set my audigy? :(
[07:48] <thoreauputic> xed: if you don't use a modem, purge the package
[07:48] <dash> xed: is this a laptop?
[07:48] <xed> dash: yes, yes it is
[07:48] <dash> xed: hmm. strange
[07:48] <xed> thoreauputic, what do you mean, and why/how would I go about doing this?
[07:48] <HillTops> Thanks ferris and dash.
[07:48] <ferris> eleazar ... apt-get install audigy
[07:48] <thoreauputic> xed: sudo apt-get remove --purge mwavem
[07:48] <ferris> HilTops, yw
[07:48] <dash> HillTops: i bet there's an fstab entry for it
[07:48] <thoreauputic> xed: it's a package
[07:49] <xed> thoreauputic, what does that do...?
[07:49] <eleazar> ferris: very funny..
[07:49] <thoreauputic> it removes all trace of the package
[07:49] <xed> Why does it always go there to that package then..?
[07:49] <thoreauputic> just remove it
[07:49] <dash> xed: if dpkg fails to install a package the first time, it will retry every time you do anything else
[07:49] <thoreauputic> unless you think you need it
[07:50] <xed> okay, i purged them..
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> how do i help in translation of ubuntu to hindi language ?
[07:50] <HillTops> dash, The directory of /dev  shows hdb1 as blocked with a red X on the left icon.
[07:50] <xed> dash, thats an odd way of doing thigns. =|
[07:50] <dash> xed: it usually works
[07:50] <xed> Yeah, except in this case
[07:50] <xed> So should I try re-installing the acpi?
[07:50] <dash> HillTops: so it doesn't show anything in computer:/// ?
[07:50] <xed> I need sound man! Sound!
[07:51] <thoreauputic> xed: not really - apt doesn't know if you want it ;)
[07:51] <xed> thoreauputic, true.. but you know... I'm a long time Windows user. =|
[07:51] <xed> (Don't hurt me!)
[07:51] <HillTops> dash, not sure what you mean by computer.
[07:51] <thoreauputic> xed: just try agian and see if the error is gone
[07:51] <dash> HillTops: click 'places', then 'computer'
[07:52] <xed> it says acpi-support is already the latest version..
[07:52] <thoreauputic> k
[07:52] <box> anyone have a tip on the best way to put java on my system?
[07:52] <dash> box: there's some bits on the wiki
[07:52] <thoreauputic> well you already have it then, don't you?
[07:52] <xed> " 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 41 not upgraded. "
[07:52] <Errejo> box, www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:53] <Quar> where can i get more themes for Ubuntu/gnome?
[07:53] <thoreauputic> acpi-support is already installed, obviously
[07:53] <HillTops> dash, it shows CDROM, LEXAR (USB) and FILESYSTEM which is root etc on the RAM disk.
[07:53] <Quarupt> anyone know?
[07:53] <xed> thoreauputic, my.. wait-- is the acpi related to the sound drivers?
[07:54] <Xenguy> box: is 'java-package' in Ubuntu ?
[07:54] <HillTops> dash, /mnt is empty
[07:54] <thoreauputic> xed: no, not AFAIK
[07:54] <xed> what do you mean not "AFAIK" ?
[07:54] <dash> HillTops: of course
[07:54] <dash> HillTops: but is /media?
[07:54] <xed> thoreauputic, what does that mean?
[07:54] <thoreauputic> as far as I know
[07:54] <xed> I need to get sound installed and.. some video codecs
[07:55] <Micksa> grargh.
[07:55] <xed> grargh!?
[07:55] <Micksa> anyone care to recommend an app for watching a network connection's bandwidth usage over SNMP?
[07:55] <Micksa> like, something that gives a big-arse graph :)
[07:55] <Micksa> different time-averages would be nice
[07:55] <xed> ...okay.. so .. I'm lost..
[07:56] <Quarupt> I installed Armagetron, but I cany find the bin?
[07:56] <Quarupt> anyone know what its called?
[07:57] <HillTops> dash, I did:  ls /media  and see "windows".   ls /media/windows is empty
[07:58] <xed> So.. how do I go about installing sound drivers in Ubuntu?
[07:58] <GammaRay> Quarupt: try dpkg -S Armagetron | grep bin
[07:59] <lunitik> GammaRay: you mean -L of course
[08:00] <thoreauputic> xed: 1) lspci | grep snd 2) google the chip and find the right driver for it 3) sudo modprobe <driver> 4) put it in /etc/modules
[08:00] <dash> HillTops: do try "mount /media/windows"
[08:00] <dash> s/do/so/
[08:00] <lunitik> GammaRay: -S will tell you where a file came from... for instance dpkg -S /etc/resolv.conf
[08:01] <thoreauputic> xed: sorry   lspci | grep audio
[08:02] <GammaRay> lunitik: I intended -L yes
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> as of now, is it possible to do an install with the live cd ?
[08:02] <lunitik> GammaRay: also, no packages have caps in the package name.
[08:02] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: no
[08:03] <thoreauputic> xed: you can also try  lsmod | grep snd to see what drivers are already loded
[08:03] <thoreauputic> *loaded
[08:03] <HillTops> dash, I think I need something like mkdir /mnt/windows    then mount /media/windows /mnt/windows   ??           Your command made errors...   wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[08:03] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: will that ever change in near / distant future ?
[08:03] <dash> HillTops: no, but hmm
[08:03] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: its in discussion apparently
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: any links ?
[08:04] <lunitik> Why you'd want that, I don't know, but whatever
[08:04] <sunnie> hi all!  i want to know if C-Media 9880 has an Alsa driver.
[08:04] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: look for it yourself
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: sure
[08:04] <GammaRay> lunitik: I just pasted back what he gave me.. I have no real way of knowing what the package name actually is
[08:04] <HillTops> dash, how about  mount  /dev/hda1 /media/windows
[08:05] <sunnie> ? :(
[08:05] <xed> thoreauputic, Seems there is already a driver for the sound...
[08:05] <thoreauputic> xed: I kind of suspected so
[08:05] <thoreauputic> xed: warty or hoary?
[08:05] <dash> HillTops: you probably need a "-t ntfs" or "-t vfat" on the end
[08:05] <crimsun> sunnie: what's the main dsp?
[08:05] <xed> thoreauputic, I still don't know what that means..
[08:05] <xed> Warty I think
[08:05] <xed> thoreauputic: http://rafb.net/paste/results/rWRXJq24.html
[08:06] <thoreauputic> xed: what does  cat /etc/issue  say?
[08:06] <sunnie> crimsun: what is a dsp?
[08:06] <HillTops> dash, OK -t vfat  on the end of mount /media/windows;  so mount /media/windows -t vfat     ??
[08:06] <dash> HillTops: that other thing you just said
[08:06] <xed> thoreauputic, Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l
[08:06] <sunnie> I'm sorry, I'm not very linux literate :(
[08:06] <crimsun> sunnie: lspci -v (don't flood here) has info on your audio chipset...
[08:06] <thoreauputic> xed: OK
[08:06] <xed> So..
[08:07] <crimsun> ah, the snd-atiixp stuff.
[08:07] <HillTops> dash, ooops that gave many errors. I guess I don't understand this media folder. I'm used to dealing with /dev and /mnt
[08:07] <crimsun> xed: what version?
[08:07] <thoreauputic> xed: if crimsun has time, maybe he could look at your pastebin output - he knows a bout sound
[08:08] <crimsun> xed: (cat /proc/asound/version)
[08:08] <dash> HillTops: well, it's just another directory
[08:08] <thoreauputic> ah , thanks crimsun
[08:08] <xed> crimsun, Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l
[08:08] <dash> HillTops: no different from /mnt really
[08:08] <xed> "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.4 (Mon May 17 14:31:44 2004 UTC).
[08:08] <xed> Compiled on Oct 12 2004 for kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386."
[08:08] <dash> HillTops: or any other dir
[08:09] <xed> ello....?
[08:09] <HillTops> dash, OK, but the mount command wants two folders and I don't know what goes with /media/windows
[08:09] <xed> crimsun, ..
[08:09] <crimsun> xed: the version of ALSA included with warty's kernel is too old to support your sound chipset properly.
[08:09] <sunnie> crimsun: unfortunately, there isn't something in that list that equates to the name of my soundcard, or has audio in it
[08:09] <crimsun> xed: please be patient.
[08:09] <xed> crimsun, sorry =(
[08:09] <dash> HillTops: no, it wants a device and a directory
[08:10] <dash> HillTops: do you know what device your windows partition is on?
[08:10] <Quarupt> anyone in here have any luck getting fglrx working?
[08:10] <dash> Quarupt: yeah
[08:10] <HillTops> dash, Hmmm Yes, windows is on /dev/hdb1 normaly
[08:10] <crimsun> xed: the surefire way of getting it working is to dist-upgrade to Hoary. However - you may try installing the 'alsa-source' package from the 'universe' repository.
[08:10] <dash> HillTops: then use that, silly ;)
[08:10] <Quarupt> dash, i followed the directions on the Ubuntu guide, but when i startx with the driver, i get stuck in 800x600
[08:11] <xed> crimsun, alright... and I do this by "sudo apt-get install alsa-source" ...?
[08:11] <crimsun> xed: once you install 'alsa-source', you need to install 'build-essential', 'fakeroot', 'build-essential', and 'kernel-package'.
[08:11] <dash> Quarupt: bummer
[08:11] <crimsun> xed: correct
[08:11] <xed> crimsun: And I do that same command with each of those.. except with the different packages?
[08:11] <crimsun> sunnie: sec.
[08:11] <HillTops> dash, mount /dev/hdb1 gets mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[08:11] <crimsun> xed: you can actually put all the packages on one line
[08:11] <dash> HillTops: so... tell it where to mount it
[08:12] <xed> crimsun, it couldn't find the alsa-source package
[08:12] <sunnie> crimsun: no problems.  thank you.
[08:12] <xed> You said from the universe repository...
[08:12] <crimsun> xed: make sure you have the 'universe' repository enabled.
[08:12] <dash> Quarupt: you will need to edit your X config.
[08:12] <xed> Hmm..
[08:12] <xed> I thought I did
[08:12] <xed> let me check
[08:12] <Quarupt> can anyone help me get the driver working correctly?
[08:13] <crimsun> xed: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[08:13] <xed> what the!?
[08:13] <xed> I thought.. ..>.<
[08:13] <xed> I uncomment those two lines and it should work >.<!
[08:13] <crimsun> xed: you have to remember to Reload
[08:13] <HillTops> dash,  mount /dev/hdb1 /media/windows      did the trick.  Thank you for staying with me.  :/
[08:13] <crimsun> (using Synaptic)
[08:13] <xed> crimsun, what do you mean reload?
[08:13] <crimsun> (or sudo apt-get update)
[08:14] <xed> oh.. right.. it just told me to do that...
[08:14] <xed> I should hurt myself..
[08:14] <dash> HillTops: it is a pity that the installer did not read your mind! it gets so many other things right these days i get surprised when it doesn't
[08:14] <xed> how do I go about installing all those packages with only one command line?
[08:14] <dash> HillTops: oh waiiit
[08:14] <dash> HillTops: you're using the live cd?
[08:15] <thoreauputic> xed: just leave a space between packages :)
[08:15] <xed> oh.. sweet
[08:15] <thoreauputic> xed , sudo apt-get install pack1 pack2 pack3
[08:15] <xed> thoreauputic, thank you
[08:17] <xed> crimsun, why did you have 'build-essential' twice in there...? do i install it twice?
[08:17] <thoreauputic> xed: no
[08:17] <thoreauputic> he repeated himself ;)
[08:17] <thoreauputic> once is quite enough ;-)
[08:17] <xed> Ah, *pwhew*
[08:17] <HillTops> dash, liveCD latest release.  And now I see the disk in a window, all is well. Thanks.  It could have been easier like other distros but this is the first time I have gotten this far with ubuntu -- even warty.
[08:17] <thoreauputic> it wouldn't matter
[08:18] <xed> Alright.... hmm..
[08:18] <xed> So I'm done installing those
[08:18] <dash> HillTops: well it makes more sense, they can only put a fixed setup on the cd
[08:18] <thoreauputic> xed , the second one would be ignored I think
[08:18] <xed> i hope so
[08:18] <thoreauputic> heh
[08:18] <crimsun> sunnie: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0
[08:19] <xed> crimsun, I am done installing the suggested packages.
[08:19] <crimsun> xed: ok, uname -r ?
[08:19] <xed> crimsun: <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[08:19] <sunnie> k
[08:19] <crimsun> xed: hmm, you must not have dist-upgraded, since there are errata kernels
[08:20] <xed> errata kernels? and .. wha? dist-upgraded?
[08:20] <crimsun> xed: what cpu is in that machine?
[08:20] <sunnie> snd_intel8x0           29984  0
[08:20] <xed> crimsun, P4 2.8GHz (w/ HT).. but its not a true HT anyways =/
[08:21] <crimsun> xed: sudo apt-get install linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-5-686 linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-5-686 linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-5-686
[08:21] <crimsun> sunnie: please paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.ca
[08:22] <xed> weeee look at it go
[08:22] <Quarupt> Can anyone help me with fglrx
[08:22] <xed> crimsun, done
[08:22] <Quarupt> please
[08:22] <Quarupt> no one in ATI is awake
[08:22] <thoreauputic> xed: wow, you must have a big pipe there!
[08:22] <xed> big.. pipe?
[08:23] <xed> connection?
[08:23] <thoreauputic> xed: it already downloaded all that?
[08:23] <xed> ..cable. 3Mbits... or so I'm told!
[08:23] <sunnie> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/6890
[08:23] <xed> thoreauputic, it was 43 or so MB =|
[08:23] <xed> not big
[08:23] <thoreauputic> xed: that would take me hours...
[08:23] <xed> crimsun, done installing..
[08:23] <xed> thoreauputic, what sort of connection are you on/'
[08:23] <xed> ?*
[08:24] <thoreauputic> dilaup
[08:24] <thoreauputic> dialup
[08:24] <Quarupt> Anyone here good with xoeg
[08:24] <Quarupt> xorg
[08:24] <dazed> hey thore
[08:24] <Quarupt> i could really use some help
[08:24] <thoreauputic> dazed: :)
[08:24] <xed> thoreauputic, thats probably why it would take hours.. =|
[08:24] <thoreauputic> xed: indeed
[08:24] <plex0r> I OWN YOU ALL
[08:24] <dazed> lol :) im at my friends house on nice conn...plex0r is him hahah
[08:24] <thoreauputic> plex0r: cogratulations
[08:25] <crimsun> xed: ok, now cd /usr/src
[08:25] <dazed> he got me into nix except hes not even on nix box
[08:25] <crimsun> xed: make sure your user is in the 'src' group
[08:25] <Quarupt> someone must be boored enough to help me
[08:25] <plex0r> ty baby
[08:25] <plex0r> i love you
[08:25] <xed> crimsun, what do you mean by "make sure"
[08:25] <plex0r> let me sex u
[08:25] <schasi> Quarupt: Well the one bored enough doesnt know what your problem is
[08:25] <crimsun> xed: groups $USER|grep src
[08:26] <thoreauputic> xed: type   groups    and see if one of them is "src"
[08:26] <xed> crimsun, done
[08:26] <HillTops> dash, I had followed info here: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#automountfat   but they didn't make it clear there how to mount it: # mount /dev/hdb1 /media/windows     perhaps elsewhere. Thanks again.
[08:26] <johnnybezak> hey guys i just updated to hoary, how do i change back to the sexy warty xcursors?
[08:26] <crimsun> sunnie: getting to it.
[08:26] <sunnie> crimsun: it's okay, i know you're helping someone else. i'll be patient.
[08:26] <Quarupt> schasi, I followed the directions on ubuntu guide for switching to the fglrx driver for Xorg, and it worked, but im stuck in 800x600 and cant switch
[08:26] <xed> sunnie, sorry.  I'm stuck here wondering why there is no "src" after I typed in 'groups' as thoreauputic suggested..
[08:28] <Quarupt> at least your not stuck in 800x600
[08:28] <schasi> Quarupt: Yep i can't, im on windowsxp atm
[08:28] <Quarupt> lol
[08:28] <schasi> Im stuck with windows xp
[08:28] <schasi> I think that's worse
[08:28] <thoreauputic> xed: type   sudo adduser (yourusername)  src
[08:28] <Quarupt> come on guys the damn Gnome icon is bigger than my cat
[08:28] <thoreauputic> without the () of course
[08:29] <sunnie> lol schasi
[08:29] <xed> thoreauputic, done and DONE
[08:29] <xed> now what do I do?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> xed:  log out and in again
[08:29] <xed> ...
[08:29] <schasi> More on my Windows XP issue l8er, gotta go, school
[08:29] <thoreauputic> for it to take effect
[08:29] <xed> thoreauputic, that should make my sound work?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> no
[08:29] <Quarupt> someone up for a challenge come on
[08:29] <xed> Alright then, brb, I guess
[08:29] <thoreauputic> xed just adds you to the src group :)
[08:29] <schasi> Quarupt: Did you try changing the /etc/X11 or Xorg or whatever /XF86conf?
[08:29] <tizen> xer: figure it out.
[08:30] <crimsun> sunnie: are you using warty or hoary?
[08:30] <Quarupt> changing it to what the directions just say to change the driver
[08:30] <sunnie> crimsun: i'm on hoary.
[08:30] <tizen> i went you to the bars tonight and got jumped on the way home
[08:30] <tizen> you = out
[08:31] <Quarupt> grrr
[08:31] <xed> Done
[08:31] <xed> logged out and logged in
[08:31] <Quarupt> this really sucks balls
[08:31] <crimsun> xed: cd /usr/src
[08:31] <xed> crimsun, done
[08:31] <crimsun> xed: tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[08:31] <xed> crimsun, done
[08:32] <crimsun> sunnie: make sure you have the 'universe' repository enabled, then sudo apt-get install fakeroot build-essential kernel-package linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[08:33] <crimsun> sunnie: also ensure that your user is in the 'src' group
[08:33] <xed> crimsun is the ownage
[08:33] <crimsun> xed: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[08:33] <Quarupt> someone must be good with Xorg in here
[08:33] <sunnie> crimsun: i have the universe repository enabled, i need to sudo the rest of those aps...and by ensuring i'm in the src group, do i cd into that folder?
[08:33] <johnnybezak> Quarupt: just google it
[08:33] <crimsun> xed: make sure you choose the atiixp (_not_ atiixpm) driver
[08:33] <Quarupt> i have
[08:34] <xed> okay, I'm in some sort of set up.
[08:34] <xed> "Build ALSA driver with ISA PnP?"
[08:34] <crimsun> sunnie: yeah, but you need to be a member of the 'src' group to untar the driver source
[08:34] <crimsun> xed: no
[08:34] <xed> So, I choose.. no?
[08:34] <crimsun> xed: correct
[08:35] <xed> "Build ALSA driver with debugging code?"
[08:35] <xed> ...
[08:35] <crimsun> xed: yes
[08:35] <sunnie> crimsun: how do i know i'm a member of the 'src' group?  i'm really sorry crimsun, i'm a newbie at this.
[08:36] <crimsun> sunnie: groups|grep src
[08:36] <xed> You said to choose 'atiixp', right crimsun?
[08:36] <crimsun> xed: correct
[08:36] <xed> okay, so I did that..
[08:36] <xed> now what?
[08:36] <sunnie> crimsun: it returned nothing
[08:36] <xed> It took me back to the CLI
[08:37] <crimsun> sunnie: sudo adduser $USER src
[08:37] <thoreauputic> sunnie: sudo adduser (yourusername) src
[08:37] <crimsun> sunnie: then you need to either log in on another console, or log out and back into GNOME
[08:37] <viper12> evening/morning all.
[08:37] <crimsun> xed: now cd modules/alsa-driver
[08:38] <sunnie> crimsun: alright it has added me to the group src. i'll brb
[08:38] <xed> crimsun, DONE
[08:38] <xed> ...whoops
[08:38] <xed> sorry about the caps
[08:38] <crimsun> xed: fakeroot debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-5-686/ KVERS=<IP_ADDRESS>-5-686
[08:38] <viper12> that quarupt sure has the problems don't he?
[08:39] <thoreauputic> xed: acceptable for emphasis ;-)
[08:39] <xed> OooOO.. this thing is making use of my PC
[08:40] <xed> crimsun, done
[08:40] <crimsun> xed: cd ..
[08:40] <crimsun> xed: ls|grep .deb
[08:40] <viper12> anyone here install array 5 or 6 on a dell dimension 2400? I'm noticing flat panel wackiness with it. (login screen is blank until ctrl/alt away and then back.)
[08:40] <sunnie> crimsum: i'm back! :)
[08:40] <sunnie> *crimsun (sorry)
[08:41] <xed> crimsun, Done
[08:41] <crimsun> xed: do you see an alsa-modules...deb ?
[08:41] <xed> alsa-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-5-686_1.0.5a-1ubuntu6_i386.deb
[08:41] <crimsun> xed: sudo dpkg -i alsa-modules*deb
[08:41] <xed> crimsun, thats what I see
[08:42] <xed> crimsun, "No configuration file found for ALSA 1.0.
[08:42] <xed> "
[08:42] <crimsun> xed: but dpkg successfully installs the package?
[08:42] <ferris> does anyone know of a html authoring suite like dreamweaver for debian?
[08:43] <crimsun> sunnie: cd /usr/src && tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[08:43] <viper12> ferris.....would screem work?
[08:43] <xed> crimsun, check #flood
[08:43] <crimsun> sunnie: then sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[08:43] <ferris> viper12, i will check it out
[08:43] <sunnie> ferris: you could go through the repositories @ http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/
[08:43] <viper12> its in the packages.  looks pretty complete.
[08:43] <sunnie> crimsun: alright i'll do that.
[08:44] <crimsun> sunnie: make sure you answer "no" to isa pnp, "yes" to debug - and choose the "azx" driver
[08:44] <crimsun> xed: no errors, correct?
[08:44] <xed> err..
[08:44] <crimsun> xed: dpkg -l alsa-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-5-686|grep ^ii
[08:45] <xed> Well other than the "No configuration file found for ALSA 1.0"
[08:45] <xed> crimsun, ii  alsa-modules-2 1.0.5a-1ubuntu Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers)
[08:45] <xed> Thats what it be saying
[08:45] <BobaFett> guys...is there a simple way of updating from warty to hoary?
[08:45] <viper12> yes boba.
[08:46] <BobaFett> apt-get something?
[08:46] <dash> it's quite easy, just edit your sources.list and update and upgrade
[08:46] <sunnie> crimsun: it's giving me errors as an output such as "no such file or directory"
[08:46] <BobaFett> so, its apt-get update and thats it? O.o
[08:46] <viper12> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2555
[08:46] <thoreauputic> xed: looks like it's installed
[08:46] <viper12> that link boba will give you all da' info.
[08:47] <xed> thoreauputic, installed..eh?
[08:47] <xed> how do I go about testing to see if my sound is working?
[08:47] <thoreauputic> wait for crimsun - he's the expert
[08:47] <xed> thoreauputic, alrighty
[08:48] <crimsun> xed: you'll be able to tell for sure after a reboot. Keep these two (2) points in mind: [1]  1.0.5a may be too old still, but it's much newer than the 1.0.4 you're currently using; [b]  it works in Hoary, which has 1.0.8
[08:48] <xed> crimsun, alrighty.... so should I reboot.. or .. log out/log in?
[08:48] <crimsun> xed: and [2]  you'll need to unmute your mixer sliders after you reboot using either alsamixer or GNOME's Volume Control
[08:48] <BobaFett> Thanks people!
[08:48] <crimsun> xed: it's probably easiest to reboot
[08:48] <viper12> np boba
[08:48] <BobaFett> looks fairly simple xd
[08:49] <xed> crimsun, allllrighty
[08:49] <xed> but before I do
[08:49] <crimsun> sunnie: which command gave you that error?
[08:49] <xed> I best get some video codecs installed too...
[08:49] <crimsun> xed: grab 'w32codecs' from debian-marillat
[08:49] <sunnie> crimsun: tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[08:49] <crimsun> sunnie: pwd
[08:49] <viper12> just my 2 cents xed..........but um.....one thing at a time huh?  troubleshooting wise...fix one before adding to it? ;)
[08:49] <xed> crimsun, what do you mean by "grab" from where?
[08:49] <crimsun> sunnie: it should report /usr/src
[08:49] <xed> what's debian -marillat?
[08:50] <crimsun> xed: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:50] <Panzerboy> Hello Ubuntu people!
[08:50] <thoreauputic> xed: first see if sound works
[08:50] <viper12> :)
[08:50] <xed> allrighty I guess
[08:50] <xed> brb I guess
[08:50] <thoreauputic> xed: patience, Grasshopper ;)
[08:50] <sunnie> crimsun: yes, it says /usr/src
[08:50] <viper12> lol...well said throeau
[08:50] <thoreauputic> hehe
[08:50] <crimsun> sunnie: sudo apt-get install alsa-source
[08:50] <viper12> better than I'm spelling at this time of the evening. lol
[08:51] <viper12> and hello panzer.
[08:51] <sunnie> crimsun: it tells me that alsa-source is the newest version
[08:52] <crimsun> sunnie: ls /usr/src/alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[08:52] <viper12> would there be any reason for the login/splash to be 1280x1024 when the users desktop is set to 10x7.....and xorg has been purged of the 1280x1024 settings?
[08:52] <intero> hello
[08:52] <sunnie> crimsun: yes, it is here.
[08:52] <BobaFett> I updated my repos and did the dist-update, but nothing happened! guess I had all I needed...how can I check my Ubuntu version?
[08:52] <intero> how much does ubuntu require for the root partition? (assuming i'll do / /home and swap)
[08:52] <crimsun> viper12: make sure 1280x1024 has been purged from all Depths' Modes
[08:53] <crimsun> viper12: and ensure that you restarted gdm after editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:53] <dash> intero: my root partition is 1GB
[08:53] <dash> but i use
[08:53] <dash> er
[08:53] <dash> but i use LVM for all the other partitions
[08:53] <bestadvocate> does anyone use and like ether of the gnome browsers?
[08:53] <crimsun> sunnie: and you typed "tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2" ?
[08:54] <viper12> crimsun...did that.  and a full reboot, and the splash STILL comes up 12x10......which causes an error and black screen on the flat panel...wierdest thing..  alt f1 away and back, and screen is there, but...done the purge and such...keeps happening.
[08:54] <intero> dash: okay, so say 3 gb would do i think. thanks
[08:54] <sunnie> crimsun: yes, i just checked it again. no errors in typing :(
[08:54] <dash> intero: LVM will make sure you never have to worry about that again :)
[08:54] <viper12> tried them besta......but i'm a fox guy.
[08:55] <bestadvocate> oh crap, i asked for that, Synaptic just froze uninstalling galeon
[08:55] <crimsun> sunnie: wait, what sort of "no file or directory" errors is it?
[08:55] <BobaFett> uname -a ... nevermind xD
[08:55] <crimsun> sunnie: are they, rather
[08:55] <intero> dash: will learn it then ;) thanks for the hints, take care!
[08:55] <bestadvocate> this is weird, synaptic wont let me mess with the screen
[08:55] <sunnie> crimsun: for example, tar: modules/alsa-driver/pci/azx/patch_realtek.c: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[08:56] <crimsun> sunnie: groups|grep src
[08:57] <sunnie> crimsun: mm hm, did that and it returned nothing.
[08:58] <crimsun> sunnie: uh huh. So that's why you're getting those errors; your user wasn't added properly to the 'src' group.
[08:58] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: where did you get galeon? it isn't in the repos as far as I can see...
[08:58] <crimsun> sunnie: so let's try again: sudo adduser <your username> src
[08:58] <viper12> too late thoreau......he booked.
[08:59] <jeavis> How I can see my free space in hard disk
[08:59] <sunnie> crimsun: crimsun: it says i'm already a member of src
[08:59] <viper12> several ways to do that jeavis........gui or text?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> viper12: I think he did something wicked witha debian reo ;)
[08:59] <pirre> jeavis: man df
[08:59] <thoreauputic> *repo
[08:59] <crimsun> jeavis: with Applications>System Tools>System Monitor, or use df -h
[08:59] <viper12> lmao thoreau, that was my thought as well............disasters waiting to happen that way. ;)
[08:59] <thoreauputic> viper12: indeed
[09:00] <crimsun> sunnie: yet ,,groups|grep src'' returns null?
[09:00] <sunnie> crimsun: mm hm, yup
[09:00] <thoreauputic> I heard galeon wouldn't build so it was left out....
[09:00] <johnwlittle> and also b/c it isnt firefox :)
[09:00] <viper12> I'd read something about that cruising forums as well...don't remember specifics, but.....
[09:00] <crimsun> sunnie: is your username "aoede"?
[09:01] <sunnie> crimsun: yup.  that's what i put.
[09:01] <crimsun> sunnie: ok, and that matches ,,echo $USER'', I presume
[09:01] <sockler> im having trouble getting online, i can see the router, but i cant do anything else
[09:01] <viper12> its funny, I decide to get my father off of windows.....and every problem possible with a linux install is ocurring on his box......lmao....really putting me through my paces.
[09:02] <sunnie> crimsun: yes, echo returns my username
[09:02] <crimsun> sunnie: and you logged out and back in completely?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> viper12: funny how that happens - I was trying to convert a friend and had a sorcerer's apprentice experience with her printer... :/
[09:02] <viper12> sockler...you say you can see the router...is the connection dhcp from the router, or a static address.
[09:03] <sockler> i set the IP manually, because my router doesnt have DHCP
[09:03] <sockler> what should the gateway be?
[09:03] <sunnie> crimsun: yes i did. should i restart ubuntu again, just to see, because i only exited to the login screen last time.
[09:03] <viper12> thoreauputic,  funny you should mention that.......his printer....lexmark.  his video....integrated brookdale.......his netcard.....wavelan d-link (crippled one).......etc.
[09:03] <crimsun> sunnie: nah, it's not absolutely imperative
[09:04] <crimsun> sunnie: we'll just continue with a slightly more hackish method
[09:04] <thoreauputic> viper12: heh - so he thinks Linux is crippled, I guess? :)
[09:04] <viper12> sockler, if standard, it would be something like:  <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:04] <Panzerboy> do any of you guys have any experience with rdesktop/tsclient?
[09:04] <sockler> it didnt work on that
[09:04] <crimsun> sunnie: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[09:04] <sunnie> crimsun: :) devious.  alright what do i do?
[09:04] <sunnie> crimsun: k
[09:04] <viper12> thoreauputic, lol...he loves it.  I chaned the desktop to 1 click, gave him the suede icons, and he's in heaven.....its getting printing and wireless going and this stupid flatpanel error that's blowing my brain cells at the moment. lol
[09:05] <crimsun> sunnie: make sure you answer "no" to isa pnp, "yes" to debug code - and choose the azx driver
[09:05] <viper12> is this a wifi or standard router connection sock?
[09:05] <crimsun> (apologies if you've already done that once)
[09:05] <thoreauputic> viper12: just keep the hair you tear out in a handy place - you might want it later ;-)
[09:06] <sunnie> crimsun: no no, it's alright. k i did that.
[09:06] <sockler> this particular computer is connected standard
[09:06] <viper12> lol thoreauputic ........good idea.......but it is...later.......and i'm one of the lucky ones hair wise. ;)
[09:06] <viper12> okay sockler, what type of router is it?
[09:06] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:06] <crimsun> sunnie: ok, now sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[09:06] <sockler> wrt54g
[09:06] <sockler> i have winXP on the same box and that can access the internet
[09:06] <sunnie> crimsun: no errors
[09:07] <crimsun> sunnie: cd modules/alsa-driver
[09:07] <viper12> one recommendation sockler.......if xp can see the net, boot that side, go to the network settings and write down how its configured.......then bounce back to linux and dup those nuimbers.
[09:07] <sunnie> crimsun: okay
[09:07] <crimsun> sunnie: sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/ KVERS=$(uname -r)
[09:08] <viper12> if you can see the router sockler.......then you at least know that linux is set up properly for networking......its just not "pointed" the right way "out", if you get my meaning.
[09:08] <taras> hi anyone else have problems with ubuntu's 2.6.11 and ALPS touchpads?
[09:08] <viper12> 2.6.11?
[09:08] <viper12> :O
[09:08] <viper12> since when?
[09:08] <sockler> alright thanks for the help
[09:08] <thoreauputic> viper12: since a few days
[09:08] <taras> it craps out my mouse support
[09:08] <sockler> brb
[09:09] <crimsun> viper12: prelim 2.6.11 packages have been in universe for weeks.
[09:09] <viper12> thoreauputic, .......how the hell did i miss that????
[09:09] <viper12> lmao.
[09:09] <xed> oookaaay
[09:09] <viper12> oh........prelim.....that's why.  doh. lol
[09:09] <taras> and when i enable the driver for it in x..it dies badly after first mouse click
[09:09] <crimsun> viper12: they're also in universe, not main.
[09:09] <xed> so i think i might've ruined my graphical interface
[09:09] <xed> I'm on desktop now
[09:09] <crimsun> viper12: seeing how when they were created, 2.6.11 was still in -rc
[09:09] <xed> I was previously messing around with the fglrx
[09:10] <xed> now it just boots up in.. the little dos like thing..
[09:10] <xed> No GNOME
[09:10] <xed> the error is something like couldn't load your gnome..
[09:10] <crimsun> xed: did you install the linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) ?
[09:10] <xed> I c-- wha?
[09:10] <viper12> yep crimsun....don't mind me...its gettin' late.  I've stayed away from the .11's until they get closer...which I oughta go snag as they're "closer" now.
[09:10] <crimsun> xed: presuming you rebooted into the newer kernel
[09:10] <xed> crimsun: negative
[09:10] <xed> i'm on my desktop (windows)
[09:10] <xed> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:11] <xed> I was following those instructions before your help to figure out if i needed to install video drivers
[09:11] <thoreauputic> xed: :/  change *one* thing at a time when troubleshooting
[09:11] <xed> and so I might've screwed up someting
[09:11] <xed> thoreauputic: I didn't change anything..that was before I got help here
[09:11] <crimsun> xed: what was the last step you performed?
[09:11] <xed> now I think I might've destroyed something
[09:11] <crimsun> xed: I doubt you destroyed anything
[09:11] <xed> crimsun: "sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
[09:12] <xed> crimsun: well how do i get back into the graphical interface?
[09:12] <xed> I don't like this dos-like thing ._.  it scares me
[09:12] <thoreauputic> xed: you get to love it ;-)
[09:12] <thoreauputic> xed: gives you control
[09:12] <Agrajag> don't you DARE call it dos-like
[09:12] <xed> I'm sorry
[09:13] <thoreauputic> hahaha
[09:13] <dash> Agrajag: hah
[09:13] <ygnome> xed: don't insult bash like that
[09:13] <xed> I'm goin go get owned in here
[09:13] <xed> Sorry
[09:13] <dash> the way you insult bash is like this
[09:13] <crimsun> xed: hmm. Take a look at your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and make sure the Driver was actually changed from "ati" to "fglrx"
[09:13] <dash> "sheeeesh why isn't zsh default in ubuntu yet"
[09:13] <viper12> lmao...............don't feel bad xed.......not all of us prefer the command line.......but in linux it IS more efficient. ;)
[09:13] <sunnie> crimsun: yay it's done.
[09:13] <crimsun> :D
[09:13] <xed> crimsun: what do you mean "take a look"
[09:13] <crimsun> sunnie: cd ..
[09:14] <sunnie> crimsun: mm hm
[09:14] <crimsun> xed: open /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 in an editor, for instance, sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:14] <thoreauputic> xed:  less  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:14] <thoreauputic> either
[09:14] <dash> xed: it is only recently that linux users have been able to avoid the terminal for long periods of time :) ubuntu is a big step in that dept
[09:14] <crimsun> sunnie: ls|grep alsa-driver
[09:15] <crimsun> sunnie: err, ls alsa-driver*deb
[09:15] <sunnie> crimsun: returned with nothing.
[09:16] <dazed> im so fucked up w00h00
[09:16] <crimsun> sunnie: pwd
[09:16] <crimsun> sunnie: are you sure the compilation didn't error out?
[09:16] <xed> crimsun: how would I check to see if it has changed from "ati" to fglrx
[09:16] <crimsun> (e.g., fail with an error(s))
[09:17] <sunnie> crimsun: yup, no errors.  it didn't say anything after the spew of text going up the terminal.  pwd returns /usr/src/modules
[09:17] <xed> I want my graphical interface back =(
[09:17] <Panzerboy> xed: you really want to use fglrx?
[09:17] <Panzerboy> you need it for some games, or?
[09:17] <xed> Panzerboy: I don't know what that is..?
[09:17] <xed> I just thought I had to do it
[09:17] <xed> Now that I did it.. its gone
[09:17] <Panzerboy> cause ati drivers are not really that good
[09:18] <xed> I want my gnome back!
[09:18] <Panzerboy> hmm
[09:18] <Panzerboy> wait just a sec
[09:18] <xed> Panzerboy: How would I go about getting rid of this.. and going back to my normalness witht he interface and the graphical-ness
[09:18] <Panzerboy> just a sec
[09:18] <xed> allrighty
[09:18] <Quarupt> man im giving up on Fglrx
[09:18] <sunnie> crimsun: i type in ls|grep alsa-driver*deb?
[09:19] <Panzerboy> xed: ok man
[09:19] <Panzerboy> so
[09:19] <Panzerboy> you are in the command line now or in windows?
[09:19] <sunnie> crimsun: or is it ls alsa-driver/
[09:20] <xed> Right now I'm on desktop which as windows.. and on laptop.. in the commandline..
[09:20] <Panzerboy> oh, good
[09:20] <xed> which LOOKS like dos..all black.and white
[09:20] <Panzerboy> so you want to fix the laptop, right?
[09:20] <xed> yes
[09:20] <Panzerboy> ok
[09:20] <thoreauputic> xed: heretic!
[09:20] <xed> the desktop I plan to destroy
[09:20] <Panzerboy> are u using hoary or warty?
[09:20] <xed> warty
[09:20] <Panzerboy> ok
[09:20] <Panzerboy> do a ls /etc/X11
[09:21] <crimsun> sunnie: actually it's: ls alsa-driver*deb
[09:21] <crimsun> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ;)
[09:21] <Panzerboy> crimsun: :-)
[09:21] <xed> th..was just going to say that
[09:21] <dazed> hey whats the easiest way to check hd space?
[09:21] <thoreauputic> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:21] <sunnie> crimsun: oh lol k one moment
[09:21] <xed> was just in that file a minute ago. =
[09:21] <xed> =
[09:21] <johnnybezak> hey guys are there any other good icon themes for gnome, that are complete, like have icons for most things?
[09:21] <crimsun> dazed: df -h
[09:21] <xed> =|
[09:21] <thoreauputic> dazed: df -h
[09:21] <Panzerboy> xed: now type less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:22] <dazed> thanks
[09:22] <Panzerboy> look for Section "Device"
[09:22] <sunnie> crimsun: ls: alsa-driver*deb: No such file or directory
[09:22] <Panzerboy> and tell us what's there
[09:22] <xed> ...
[09:22] <xed> lots of stuff?
[09:22] <crimsun> sunnie: ls *.deb
[09:22] <Panzerboy> ummm
[09:22] <xed> Lots of text
[09:22] <xed> First line
[09:22] <Panzerboy> what is the Driver ?
[09:22] <uMkulu> the Driver is, like, an rpm
[09:22] <Panzerboy> fglrx?
[09:22] <crimsun> xed: type /fglrx
[09:22] <xed> Err....
[09:23] <xed> found it under
[09:23] <xed> "Section "Device"
[09:23] <Panzerboy> yes
[09:23] <sunnie> crimsun: alsa-modules-2.6.10-4-386_1.0.8-4ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:23] <thoreauputic> the bot is spreading misinformation... :/
[09:23] <xed> Identifier: "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Mobility 9100 U3 (R200 IGP)"
[09:23] <crimsun> sunnie: err, sorry, I'm tired. Yes, that's the correct file.
[09:23] <xed> ...ook..there's no semicolon there
[09:23] <xed> then it says
[09:23] <Panzerboy> xed: and Driver is fglrx?
[09:23] <xed> Driver "fglrx"
[09:24] <Panzerboy> ok
[09:24] <Panzerboy> good
[09:24] <xed> ...
[09:24] <xed> =(
[09:24] <Panzerboy> is there anything like BusID there?
[09:24] <_dev_> anyone here use 1350 wlan card broadcom?
[09:24] <crimsun> sunnie: sudo dpkg -i alsa*.deb
[09:24] <xed> Yeah
[09:24] <Panzerboy> besides the other crap
[09:24] <Panzerboy> ok
[09:24] <Panzerboy> now
[09:24] <Panzerboy> press q
[09:24] <xed> doen
[09:24] <Panzerboy> you should get to the prompt again
[09:24] <Panzerboy> now
[09:24] <Panzerboy> type sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-34
[09:24] <Quarupt> Someone please help me with fglrx
[09:24] <Panzerboy> sorry, without the 3 :P
[09:24] <ferris> crimsun, what is the command to set the (fastest) connection to the repositories
[09:24] <xed> done
[09:24] <thoreauputic> Panzerboy: oops
[09:25] <Quarupt> Panzerboy, you have ati?
[09:25] <Panzerboy> go to the Device section
[09:25] <tga> more ATI talk?
[09:25] <Cube-ness> anybody know why recently things are way slow and laggy in hoary? like gui updates?  same issue on my desktop and laptop, nvidia and ati respectively
[09:25] <Panzerboy> thoreauputic: :-)
[09:25] <Panzerboy> Quarupt: nope
[09:25] <Panzerboy> tga: are u on yahoo mess?
[09:25] <xed> alright
[09:25] <Quarupt> tga,  im having round 2 with this fglrx
[09:25] <Panzerboy> tga: i wanna test smth
[09:25] <crimsun> ferris: apt-spy ?
[09:25] <xed> Panzerboy: I'm there
[09:25] <sunnie> crimsun: it's okay, i'm really appreciating your help.  thanks.  k, so i typed in that command and now everything is done.
[09:25] <Panzerboy> xed: delete everything besides Identifier, Driver and BusID
[09:25] <xed> err..
[09:25] <ferris> yes thanks
[09:25] <xed> what do you mean "everything"
[09:26] <xed> Just erase it?
[09:26] <sunnie> alsa-modules-2.6.10-4-386_1.0.8-4ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:26] <tga> Panzerboy: yeah, I replied but you never wrote back
[09:26] <thoreauputic> umm
[09:26] <sunnie> sorry
[09:26] <Panzerboy> just in the Device section
[09:26] <xed> Wouldn't it be better to comment it out or something?
[09:26] <crimsun> sunnie: and after you reboot, everything should work. You may have to unmute and adjust the mixer sliders using alsamixer or GNOME's Volume Control
[09:26] <Panzerboy> xed: only there !!!
[09:26] <Panzerboy> xed: ok, comment then :P
[09:26] <Quarupt> tga,  ya think of anything else i could try?
[09:26] <xed> By putting a # infront of the lines, yes?
[09:26] <Panzerboy> yes
[09:26] <Panzerboy> let only those 3
[09:26] <Panzerboy> and then
[09:26] <xed> So what do I not comment out?
[09:27] <Panzerboy> Identifier, Driver and BusID
[09:27] <xed> To the left of those words, I put a # infront of it?
[09:27] <Quarupt> I mean, there has to be a way to get this driver working correctly
[09:27] <Panzerboy> no
[09:27] <Panzerboy> man
[09:27] <tga> Quarupt: not really.. I'm not getting anywhere with my card either
[09:27] <sunnie> crimsun: thank you so much for taking the time to help me.  I'll try it out after I reboot and hopefully everything will work as planned.
[09:27] <Panzerboy> for all the OTHER ones you put a # in front of the line
[09:27] <Panzerboy> you let those 3 uncommented
[09:27] <Quarupt> tga, yea but my card is actually supposed to be supported by this driver
[09:27] <sunnie> crimsun: thanks again.  ...er...and don't overwork yourself, if you're tired, you should rest. anyways, thanks.
[09:28] <Quarupt> who tests the latest warty beta's? or is Warty done?
[09:28] <viper12> warty is not beta.  its hoary that's beta.
[09:28] <Quarupt> i know lol
[09:29] <viper12> :/
[09:29] <Quarupt> but they keep adding higher versions of Warty
[09:29] <Quarupt> where are they coming from?
[09:29] <crimsun> Quarupt: "higher versions of warty"?
[09:29] <Quarupt> like 4.10
[09:29] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: no, just security updates
[09:29] <Quarupt> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9831
[09:29] <viper12> there are no higher version numbers of warty. 4.10 IS warty.
[09:30] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: that's the original number
[09:30] <Quarupt> Oh okay i see
[09:30] <crimsun> super-warty!
[09:30] <Quarupt> Man i just want my damn fgrlx to work
[09:30] <Quarupt> #ati isnt very helpful
[09:30] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: 2004, month 10 = 4.10
[09:31] <thoreauputic> hence Hoary 5.04
[09:32] <crimsun> Quarupt: what precisely isn't working - and what precisely have you attempted?
[09:32] <viper12> woot.....an easy fix.  got sockler taken care of.....his router had dhcp enabled, and he didn't know it. lol.  sometimes the easy ones are the best. :)
[09:33] <Quarupt> crimsun, i followed the directions on ubuntuguide and it worked fine except i was stuck in 800x600
[09:33] <crimsun> viper12: =)
[09:33] <Quarupt> so we tried different syncs and modules
[09:33] <crimsun> Quarupt: did you inspect the log file?
[09:33] <Quarupt> didnt get anywhere
[09:33] <viper12> I've been there and worn his t-shirt before.....sometimes another person's "nudge" is all it takes.
[09:33] <Quarupt> yes me and tga and a guy from #ati
[09:33] <Quarupt> but ill pastebin it if ya wanna look at it
[09:34] <Quarupt> but im currently back in the ati driver
[09:34] <viper12> just curious quarupt, but in the xorg,conf file.......what resolutions are listed there?  and did you change the ati listing to fglrx in that file as well? (just checkin'.)
[09:35] <Quarupt> how else would i have gotten it to load the driver
[09:35] <Quarupt> and i beleive we left it with 1024x768 800x600 and 640x480
[09:36] <Quarupt> i know the driver was working cause glxgears was fly'n
[09:36] <viper12> in whatrez quarupt?
[09:36] <Quarupt> but it doesnt matter when the icons were bigger than my head
[09:37] <Quarupt> viper12, 8x6
[09:37] <johnnybezak> whats a good text based irc client?
[09:37] <crimsun> johnnybezak: irssi
[09:37] <Quarupt> irsii
[09:37] <johnnybezak> thnx
[09:37] <viper12> just curious, but are you on a flat panel or crt quarupt?
[09:37] <tga> johnnybezak: irssi-text
[09:37] <Quarupt> i wasnt aware that irsii had an x client
[09:37] <johnnybezak> apparently
[09:38] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: used to
[09:38] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: I think development stopped
[09:38] <Quarupt> you might look at bitchx to its okay, but i prefer irsii
[09:38] <crimsun> Quarupt: irssi actually has "any" X Windows client ;)
[09:38] <sunnie> crimsun: thanks!  everything is working.  although I want to ask you for one more favor, if possible.
[09:38] <crimsun> Quarupt: just configure irssi to work as a proxy, then use any graphical irc client to access it. There are instructions on irssi.org
[09:38] <sunnie> crimsun: could you repeat the packages i needed during the initial stages of this sound process?
[09:39] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys is there a way of having a window not draw all fo the menubar/scrolls etc
[09:39] <thoreauputic> crimsun: interesting!
[09:39] <Quarupt> okay crimsun anyways back to my screwed up driver
[09:39] <sunnie> crimsun: cause i want to know for future reference. :( i didn't get the log files of those.
[09:40] <crimsun> sunnie: do you mean which packages you needed to install? If so - fakeroot, build-essential, kernel-package, linux-headers-$(uname -r), alsa-source
[09:40] <sunnie> crimsun: yes perfect.  thank you so much
[09:40] <crimsun> sunnie: keep in mind that you only need to install those packages once (unless you continually reinstall distros)
[09:40] <o2> Is someone running array-6 with an atheros chipset ?
[09:40] <Quarupt> how can i make a script that does this : cd /home/sean/Limewire  then  ./runLime   ?
[09:41] <johnnybezak> johnnybezak: test
[09:41] <shock> .test
[09:41] <viper12> ing
[09:41] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: you shouldn't need to: just give the full path
[09:41] <viper12> :D
[09:41] <crimsun> Quarupt: why not just ~/Limewire/runLime ?
[09:42] <sunnie> crimsun: *nods* i know. i just needed to write it down because i will be holding an installfest soon on my campus using ubuntu as our main distro.
[09:42] <johnnybe1ak> guys do i have a nick?
[09:42] <Quarupt> cause it only works when i call it within the directory
[09:42] <crimsun> sunnie: excellent :-)
[09:42] <thoreauputic> johnnybe1ak: sure
[09:42] <johnnybe1ak> thoreauputic: thanks, in the text client its not showing up its just blank (probably a colour problem)
[09:42] <shock> johnnybe1ak - jup
[09:43] <sunnie> crimsun: yes, so just in case someone comes in with a new board like mine, i know how to solve that problem.  thanks to you, now i sort of do.
[09:43] <viper12> lol........sort of do beats sort of don't any day of the week. :D
[09:43] <thoreauputic> johnnybe1ak: if it's irssi, you can get lots of themes
[09:43] <thoreauputic> different colours etc
[09:43] <crimsun> you can even theme irssi like bx  *shudder*  ;-)
[09:43] <thoreauputic> johnnybe1ak: check irssi.org
[09:44] <thoreauputic> crimsun: heh :)
[09:44] <jeavis> I have a pc and I cant install ubuntu
[09:44] <jeavis> how I can install
[09:44] <Panzerboy> jeavis: why ?
[09:44] <johnnybe1ak> thoreauputic: it was just my terminal colours off
[09:44] <thoreauputic> ok
[09:44] <xed> the greatness that is #ubuntu
[09:44] <jeavis> Panzerboy: The pc freeze in partitions
[09:44] <Panzerboy> xed: :-)
[09:44] <Panzerboy> jeavis: hmmm ... strage
[09:45] <Panzerboy> strange that is :)
[09:45] <Panzerboy> jeavis: did you have any other linux installed on that hard drive?
[09:45] <Panzerboy> or other os?
[09:45] <johnnybe1ak> so do you guys know how to have a window show no menu/title/scroll bars etc. like xmms does?
[09:45] <xed> Ubuntu makes my sound so loud
[09:45] <xed> I love Ubuntu for that reason alone
[09:45] <crimsun> got sound working? :-)
[09:45] <xed> crimsun, thats why I love you
[09:46] <crimsun> haha
[09:46] <thoreauputic> xed: hehe - thought you were about to complain ;)
[09:46] <viper12> lol
[09:46] <crimsun> thoreauputic: as did I
[09:46] <xed> now to work on the codecs!
[09:46] <sunnie> i heart crimsun too.
[09:46] <Panzerboy> johnnybe1ak: i don't know if metacity supports that
[09:46] <xed> I heart crimsun.
[09:46] <xed> we ALL do
[09:46] <crimsun> aww
[09:46] <xed> Well except for maybe that guy..!
[09:46] <viper12> sunnie, crimsun and xed..................they could pose for an ubuntu screen.  snicker. ;)
[09:46] <xed> But I think he might just be a figment of my imagination.. so thats okay
[09:46] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[09:47] <Panzerboy> lol
[09:47] <xed> "Not like you killed someone"
[09:47] <xed> -Judith (APC)
[09:47] <crimsun> thoreauputic: bah ;)
[09:47] <crimsun> team effort, no one person does it alone
[09:47] <xed> What was that codec again, crimsun?
[09:47] <crimsun> xed: w32codecs
[09:47] <xed> thoreauputic, is real? I thought he/she was a figment of my imagination!
[09:48] <thoreauputic> crimsun: well, you *are* impressively helpful, is all I meant :)
[09:48] <sunnie> mmm open source developments...delicious.  always so delicious.
[09:48] <viper12> and cheap too.
[09:48] <viper12> ;)
[09:48] <xed> Sometimes, I think crimsun is an extremely advanced AI bot..
[09:48] <sunnie> lol
[09:48] <sunnie> that's what we're trying to tell people on my campus.  CHEAP.
[09:48] <xed> And I think that this is all some sort of sick conspiracy... then I realize that I AM crazy.
[09:48] <viper12> just don't get em' dell dimension 2400's sunnie.............lol.
[09:49] <thoreauputic> xed: nah, he's not a bot - bots make mistakes ;-)
[09:49] <xed> thoreauputic, you got a point there...
[09:49] <xed> So he's probably a spy then..
[09:49] <sunnie> lol viper12.
[09:49] <xed> That works for ubuntu
[09:49] <xed> who goes around magically solving problems through the awesomeness that is his logic
[09:49] <viper12> I'm laughing thru the tears........but winning the battle.
[09:49] <Quarupt> Okay im gunna alien the damn limewire rpm so i dont have to deal with it being broke
[09:49] <jeavis> Panzerboy: I can install mandrake
[09:50] <Quarupt> anyone know the url where ya can get pro for free
[09:50] <jeavis> Panzerboy: I cant install ubuntu
[09:50] <xed> I have mandrake on my old desktop PII.. it sits there and does nothing because its not connected to the net.. -.-
[09:50] <xed> but its an old version of mandrake
[09:50] <crimsun> Quarupt: isn't limewire a gnutella client?
[09:50] <xed> mandrake 6
[09:50] <jeavis> Panzerboy: Is so estrenge I have ubuntu in two pc and I dont have problems
[09:50] <Panzerboy> jeavis: well that's strage then
[09:50] <Panzerboy> you say it freezes in partitioning?
[09:50] <thoreauputic> xed: I like archaeology too ;-)
[09:51] <xed> archaeology?
[09:51] <xed> I like chicken.
[09:51] <crimsun> (you mentioned "old")
[09:51] <jeavis> Panzerboy: I can install ubuntu from the net
[09:51] <viper12> lmao thoreauputic .......i was thinking fossils.
[09:51] <Quarupt> crimsun, si
[09:51] <xed> oh
[09:51] <xed> the pentium 2
[09:51] <crimsun> Quarupt: are you running Hoary?
[09:51] <thoreauputic> and the mandrake 6...
[09:51] <xed> Yeah, that PC runs smoother than my stupid devil HP desktop...
[09:51] <Quarupt> si
[09:52] <sunnie> the pentium2 IS a fossil .....
[09:52] <xed> Devil HP Desktop more recent than the PII.. by like 5 years..
[09:52] <crimsun> Quarupt: I would much appreciate if you test updated gtk-gnutella packages before I upload to universe
[09:52] <crimsun> Quarupt: http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ubuntu-motu/
[09:52] <Panzerboy> jeavis: but not from a burned cd?
[09:52] <johnnybe1ak> dont mess with the pentiums baby
[09:52] <thoreauputic> sunnie: hey, i have a P200 mmx here!
[09:52] <Quarupt> Its installed but i have to run it from a terminal i have added ot to my path linked to to /bin but nothiong works
[09:52] <thoreauputic> sunnie: not running Ubuntu, though
[09:52] <xed> crimsun, what was that link again? to the codecs...
[09:53] <RattWork> I'm about to do an ubuntu install dualbooting XP
[09:53] <Quarupt> lol crimsun thanx but gtk gnu sucks
[09:53] <Panzerboy> xed: do you have marillat repo's added to sources.list?
[09:53] <crimsun> xed: 'w32codecs' is in the debian-marillat repository; see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:53] <sunnie> lol thoreauputic: it's alright, i have a p1 sitting right next to me.  that one is still on windows98. *shudders* ah well not mine.
[09:53] <Quarupt> lol limewire is way faster and has a better gui and more servers
[09:53] <RattWork> how many partitions should I have?
[09:53] <crimsun> Quarupt: fair 'nuff
[09:53] <RattWork> I'd like: users, root, xp, shared data
[09:53] <johnnybe1ak> what do you use crimsun
[09:54] <RattWork> so that's like 5 partitions, right?
[09:54] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: for?
[09:54] <viper12> don't ferget swap RattWork
[09:54] <johnnybe1ak> filesharing
[09:54] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: I generally stick to bittorrent (btdownloadcurses)
[09:54] <johnnybe1ak> (limewire)
[09:54] <johnnybe1ak> crimsun: cool
[09:54] <thoreauputic> sunnie: Debian Woody on my P200
[09:55] <RattWork> vincent_: I think that IS 5 with swap
[09:55] <viper12> smiles....and agrees with crimsun.  the blue frog be jess fine.
[09:55] <xed> How do I get Gaim to minimize to the top tray rather than the bottom bar..?
[09:55] <RattWork> a boot partition isn't really neccessary, right?
[09:55] <joeblow1234> RattWork : no it isnt
[09:55] <thoreauputic> RattWork: right
[09:55] <Panzerboy> xed: close it
[09:55] <sunnie> thoreauputic: ah.  what's debian woody like?
[09:55] <crimsun> xed: click the icon in the tray ;)
[09:56] <Panzerboy> click the x
[09:56] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys i have the standard hoary sources, and i want to install mplayer
[09:56] <thoreauputic> sunnie: rock solid but kind of outdated, of course
[09:56] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: which cpu?
[09:56] <johnnybe1ak> ppc
[09:56] <joeblow1234> johnnybe1ak : i found that compiling it is the easiest
[09:56] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: make sure you enable multiverse
[09:56] <thoreauputic> sunnie: when I say solid, i mean it!
[09:56] <johnnybe1ak> it shows up
[09:56] <joeblow1234> crimsun : the codecs provided on www.mplayerhq.hu, will they work on
[09:57] <joeblow1234> PPC/Linux
[09:57] <xed> crimsun, that just closes it =(
[09:57] <johnnybe1ak> but when i try install it it says it depends on an uninstallable package
[09:57] <johnnybe1ak> libavcodec2
[09:57] <jeavis> Panzerboy: Yes not from a burned cd
[09:57] <joeblow1234> johnnybe1ak : download the source code from http://www.mplayerhq.hu and then compile it
[09:57] <viper12> xed........if you add the gaim app to the top panel it will minimize there.  if you've got it added to the bottome panel then remove it and add it to the top.
[09:57] <crimsun> xed: clicking the tray icon should minimize to/restore from tray
[09:57] <johnnybe1ak> joeblowd1234: i tried with warty and it wouldnt compile ill give it another go
[09:58] <johnnybe1ak> cos i installed hoary
[09:58] <crimsun> joeblow1234: yeah, but make sure you don't pick the i386 ones
[09:58] <bigcx2> hey
[09:58] <xed> viper12, how do i put it on the top tray?
[09:58] <joeblow1234> crimsun : they dont offer a choice, there is just a single essential codecs package
[09:58] <bigcx2> can anyone tell me how to blacklist things on startup
[09:58] <sunnie> thoreauputic: ic...lol okay then.  what other distros have you tried?
[09:58] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: there appear to be mplayer-altivec, mplayer-powerpc, and mplayer-g4 packages
[09:58] <jeavis> how I un tar a .tar.bz2
[09:58] <Panzerboy> jeavis: then maybe it's a problem with the cd
[09:58] <bigcx2> modules
[09:59] <Panzerboy> jeavis: or with the iso
[09:59] <crimsun> jeavis: tar xfj foo.tar.bz2
[09:59] <Panzerboy> jeavis: did you check the iso with md5sum before burning it ?
[09:59] <bigcx2> blacklisting modules anybody?
[09:59] <viper12> on the top panel xed, just right click, select +add to panel..........
[09:59] <johnnybe1ak> crimsun: yeah i tried the powerpc and g4
[09:59] <jeavis> Panzerboy: I burned a other cd and I cant
[09:59] <crimsun> bigcx2: echo somemodule | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[09:59] <johnnybe1ak> crimsun: no love
[09:59] <xed> viper12: I don't see "gaim" available...
[09:59] <Quarupt> after you install gtk-gnutella does it place itself on any of the menus?
[09:59] <Panzerboy> jeavis: maybe the iso is borked
[10:00] <jeavis> I install with the same cd the first tow machines
[10:00] <bigcx2> will try crimsun
[10:00] <thoreauputic> sunnie: hmm...mandrake, vector, deadrat... that's about it I guess...
[10:00] <viper12> you can do the custom app launcher and fill in the blanks.
[10:00] <Quarupt> so thast a no
[10:00] <thoreauputic> sunnie: staying with debian and ubuntu
[10:00] <raghu> jeavis: tar -jxvf filename
[10:00] <Quarupt> i cant even find the bin
[10:00] <xed> Where be Gaim located? -.-
[10:00] <viper12> is your main panel (top) set up with the standard apps/places/system or did you move it to the bottom?
[10:00] <Quarupt> in any repository
[10:00] <thoreauputic> /usr/bin/gaim?
[10:01] <crimsun> Quarupt: which gtk-gnutella version?
[10:01] <raghu> xed: in bin
[10:01] <xed> viper12: I might've accidentally removed the gaim icon a while back..
[10:01] <johnnybe1ak> /usr/bin/gaim
[10:01] <Quarupt> whatever one is in the repository
[10:01] <viper12> if standard menu is at the top......you can go app/internet/gaim and right click to add to the panel.
[10:01] <Quarupt> crimsun,
[10:01] <crimsun> Quarupt: that's because that version is broken, hence why I asked you to test the version I'm about to upload to universe =)
[10:01] <Quarupt> whatever one it gives me with apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[10:01] <shock> hey - amyone here informed about any good console icq client?
[10:01] <raghu> xed: if it is insatlled through tar file ...in terminal type gaim
[10:01] <Quarupt> oh
[10:02] <tga> shock: centericq
[10:02] <crimsun> shock: centericq
[10:02] <johnnybe1ak> so why are there packages available if their dependancies aren't?
[10:02] <crimsun> shock: there's also btlbee, which interfaces nicely with irssi
[10:02] <RattWork> is it better to install XP then install Ubuntu over the top?
[10:02] <sunnie> thoreauputic: yeah, i had to try SuSE because that was the distro we used for our last installfest, and boo i didn't like it too much.  now this whole ubuntu flavour is just nice.
[10:02] <RattWork> and if so, should XP partition be first on the drive?
[10:03] <johnnybe1ak> RattWork: do you want to dual boot
[10:03] <thoreauputic> RattWork: always install wintendo first
[10:03] <shock> :)
[10:03] <viper12> RattWork, its easier for xp first then ubuntu
[10:03] <shock> thx guys
[10:03] <viper12> lmao thoreauputic
[10:03] <RattWork> ok, how about as far as where on disk to put XP
[10:03] <RattWork> first partition?
[10:03] <xed> argghhh. -.-
[10:03] <viper12> yes RattWork
[10:03] <RattWork> ok
[10:03] <xed> It just re-launches it if I custom add a program to the top..
[10:04] <viper12> xed.......remove the one from the bottom panel so its not in two places.
[10:04] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: what errors do you get regarding attempting to install mplayer?
[10:05] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: are they missing dependencies? If so, did you add the requisite debian-marillat/mirror repo(s)?
[10:05] <bigcx2> crimsun
[10:05] <xed> viper12: i can't really "remove" it from the bottom. =/
[10:05] <bigcx2> what if i wanted to unload a kernel module
[10:05] <bigcx2> same thing?
[10:06] <bigcx2> at startup
[10:06] <Quarupt> did crisun leave?
[10:06] <crimsun> err?
[10:06] <bigcx2> i want to unload the floppy module from loading at startup
[10:06] <Quarupt> cause gtk-gnutella is having lots of probs, it wont connect to very many servers
[10:06] <Quarupt> maybe it just needs an updated server list
[10:06] <viper12> xed: sort of scratching my head here. it minimizes to the bottom panel.  where are you launching it from? a terminal or something?
[10:06] <viper12> lol
[10:07] <johnnybe1ak> crimsun: marillat doesnt have ppc
[10:07] <crimsun> Quarupt: that's possible. I'm not familiar with the gnutella innards.
[10:07] <xed> viper12: Applications > Internet > Gaim
[10:07] <crimsun> bigcx2: so you tried blacklisting floppy?
[10:07] <viper12> do all of your apps minimize to the bottom?
[10:07] <viper12> or just gaim?
[10:07] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: http://debian.video.free.fr/
[10:07] <xed> if i launch it from the top (Custom added application) it loads it up again.. relaunches it..
[10:07] <xed> all of them
[10:08] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: in particular, deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/
[10:08] <bigcx2> well no because i wanted to know if that's what i did to keep it from loading on startup first
[10:08] <viper12> oh woot......million dollar baby is in the box.
[10:08] <viper12> sorry....that was off topic and very azureus of me.
[10:08] <viper12> :)
[10:08] <bigcx2> what file do i have to remove it from?
[10:08] <johnnybe1ak> crimsun: thanks ill check it out
[10:08] <xed> =D
[10:08] <crimsun> bigcx2: that's one method of blacklisting
[10:08] <bigcx2> ok
[10:08] <crimsun> bigcx2: no, don't remove it, just append it
[10:08] <bigcx2> is there a file i can just comment it out
[10:09] <xed> So.. why is VLC so big?
[10:09] <xed> 24mB?
[10:09] <viper12> brb.
[10:09] <xed> thats massive
[10:09] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys, how do i revert to the standard firefox theme?
[10:10] <crimsun> xed: 39m here
[10:10] <xed> 39MB for VLC!?
[10:10] <xed> Wait-- if I get gnome-vlc
[10:10] <crimsun> [wxvlc]
[10:10] <xed> Does that get the codec too?
[10:10] <crimsun> xed: I'm actually referring to in-mem profile
[10:10] <xed> in-mem?
[10:10] <thoreauputic> bigcx2: append it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist  I think?
[10:11] <thoreauputic> bigcx2: if I followed what you want correctly?
[10:11] <bigcx2> ok if the name of it is floppy.ko
[10:11] <bigcx2> echo floppy | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklis
[10:11] <bigcx2> ?
[10:11] <thoreauputic> bigcx2: just floppy I think
[10:11] <crimsun> bigcx2: echo floppy | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[10:11] <bigcx2> ok
[10:11] <bigcx2> will try
[10:11] <crimsun> xed: "in-mem" => running, as a process
[10:12] <crimsun> xed: the binary on-disk is only 1.1m
[10:12] <xed> ...
[10:12] <xed> Okay, so thats odd
[10:12] <xed> the sound is really choppy when playing a file in vlc
[10:13] <viper12> back.
[10:13] <crimsun> xed: but plays normally in another sound application?
[10:13] <xed> No.. I don't know what else I can play it in..
[10:14] <crimsun> xed: what type of file?
[10:14] <xed> .avi
[10:14] <viper12> I posted sound chop/chirp crap issues with rythmbox in the forums today.......(streaming audio).......but no issues in gxine.  not surprised.
[10:14] <xed> okay so mplayer is odd enough
[10:14] <crimsun> xed: you could try totem-xine or mplayer
[10:14] <thoreauputic> viper12: have you tried muine?
[10:15] <thoreauputic> ah - dunno if muine does streams...
[10:15] <johnnybe1ak> have you guys given the clear look themes a go? theyre pretty dam sweet
[10:15] <xed> odd
[10:15] <viper12> thoreauputic, I looked at it today, but still want to find out what 'broke' with rythm before just replacing it. (muine doesn't list streaming on their site.)
[10:15] <thoreauputic> viper12: yeah, I couldn't get muine to play streams here
[10:16] <thoreauputic> viper12: worked well on mp3 and ogg though
[10:16] <xed> What does it mean by "41 not upgraded"
[10:16] <viper12> thoreauputic, rythmbox was working perfectly with streams until 2 days ago with the monster updates....and now its super sensitive, choppy, and sometimes even plays garbage when clicking in other windowws.
[10:16] <thoreauputic> viper12: :(
[10:16] <crimsun> xed: are you using dist-upgrade or upgrade?
[10:16] <johnnybe1ak> hmm mplayer didn't build *once again*
[10:16] <viper12> yeah.....another really cool app I've looked at is Musik....but that's a helluva ordeal to install.
[10:16] <thoreauputic> viper12: warty here
[10:17] <viper12> hoary here.
[10:17] <thoreauputic> I guessed ;)
[10:17] <viper12> lol
[10:17] <viper12> bleedin' edge mah man.
[10:17] <xed> crimsun, up..grade?
[10:17] <spiral> hi
[10:17] <thoreauputic> viper12: but you get to keep *all* the pieces ;-)
[10:17] <viper12> damn right.......I earned em.  heh heh
[10:17] <thoreauputic> hehe
[10:18] <crimsun> xed: what program are you using to update?
[10:18] <xed> ...
[10:18] <xed> the.. terminal?
[10:18] <viper12> so far the fix for streaming is just shoutcast.com......click and let gxine play em.  works fine, but I sure liked being able to save the stuff in rythm
[10:18] <xed> I'm not upgrading, I was trying to get totem-xine
[10:18] <crimsun> synaptic, apt-get, aptitude, dselect, ...
[10:18] <Panzerboy> hmm, i'm getting an error upgrading hoary
[10:18] <xed> Now I'm upgrading
[10:18] <xed> i typed in
[10:18] <Panzerboy> in gnome-icon-theme
[10:18] <xed> sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:19] <Panzerboy> it is saying:
[10:19] <Panzerboy> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-icon-theme_2.9.92-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[10:19] <Panzerboy>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/gnome-run.png', which is also in package gnome-panel-data
[10:19] <Panzerboy> any idea what's this?
[10:20] <Panzerboy> or what can i do to fix it?
[10:20] <crimsun> Panzerboy: did you use dist-upgrade?
[10:20] <bob_> hi! I wonder why the net is so slow on this machine.. I just installed warty and I'm behind a D-link adsl router. I had to set a static dns-server to get it to resolv anything at all..
[10:20] <thoreauputic> delete or rename the file it wants to overwrite?
[10:20] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys how do i install a deb, that i download off the ubuntu website?
[10:20] <crimsun> Panzerboy: gnome-icon-theme_2.9.92-0ubuntu1 and gnome-panel-data_2.9.92-0ubuntu2 coexist fine on my system
[10:21] <viper12> just teasing bob, but the answer is:  D-junk.........er d-link.  ;)
[10:21] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[10:21] <bob_> viper12, :)
[10:21] <viper12> :D
[10:21] <johnnybe1ak> thoreauputic: thnx
[10:21] <bigcx2> thanks crimsun
[10:21] <bigcx2> it worked
[10:21] <crimsun> excellent
[10:21] <xed> oh geez, what'd I do?
[10:21] <Panzerboy> crimsun: nope, upgrade
[10:22] <xed> its going at 600B/s .-.
[10:22] <Panzerboy> i've installed hoary from some old iso
[10:22] <crimsun> Panzerboy: you just need to run upgrade a couple times
[10:22] <Panzerboy> crimsun: and now i wanted to upgrade
[10:22] <bigcx2> hey is there any cool nintendo 64 emulators out there for free?
[10:22] <Panzerboy> crimsun: i've run it like 3 or 4 times
[10:22] <crimsun> Panzerboy: when you're working with hoary, it's best to use dist-upgrade right now
[10:22] <Panzerboy> crimsun: same thing
[10:22] <Panzerboy> hmm
[10:22] <viper12> bigcx2..........check freshmeat or google it. (my suggestion there.)
[10:22] <bob_> viper12, it works perfectly on my lan at home :) but I thought it would be cool if my parents would run Linux too. they've been having trouble with their XP installation so I thought it was time :)
[10:22] <Panzerboy> let me try a dist-upgrade
[10:22] <thoreauputic> bigcx2: google is your friend...
[10:23] <Panzerboy> let's see what happens
[10:23] <bigcx2> lol
[10:23] <bigcx2> yes i know google is my friend
[10:23] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[10:23] <bigcx2> ok will do
[10:23] <johnnybe1ak> dam mplayer haha
[10:23] <bigcx2> gnight all
[10:23] <Panzerboy> crimsun: i'm doing a dist-upgrade now
[10:23] <viper12> I'm building my Father an ubuntu box as well..........so I can relate bob. and having issues with the dell dimension2400from hell for my troubles. lol
[10:23] <johnnybe1ak> anyone know what this means or how i can fix it
[10:24] <johnnybe1ak> dpkg: error processing libavcodec2-dev_0.4.9-pre1-0.2_powerpc.deb (--install):
[10:24] <johnnybe1ak>  trying to overwrite `/usr/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h', which is also in package libavcodec-dev
[10:24] <johnnybe1ak> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[10:24] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: sudo apt-get remove libavcodec-dev
[10:24] <johnnybe1ak> crimsun: thanks man
[10:24] <bob_> viper12, ah cool! I brought 2 gfx cards and 2 network cards just in case.. but not an extra adsl modem :(
[10:25] <viper12> bob that would be murphy's law, methinks.
[10:25] <crimsun> need some rest, night all.
[10:26] <bob_> viper12, mhm... :) at least I see on google others been having trouble with it as well....
[10:26] <viper12> take it easy crimsun
[10:27] <Panzerboy> night crimsun
[10:27] <viper12> the 2400?  yep.....brookdale garbage chip, no agp port, e17fp P.O.S. flat panel,.....sigh...........not worth the 500 bucks it cost..was kinda' surprised. (usually have good luck with dell.)
[10:27] <xed> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:27] <xed> What does that mean?
[10:27] <xed> night crimsun
[10:27] <xed> thanks again..
[10:27] <Panzerboy> xed: that means you are using two dpgk-s in the same time
[10:27] <tga> xed: exactly what it says
[10:27] <Panzerboy> like apt-get with synaptic
[10:27] <xed> how do I get it to.. NOT say that? O.o
[10:27] <Panzerboy> stop one of the processes
[10:27] <xed> ..well I don't see any other process running
[10:28] <viper12> do you have synaptic up in another window?
[10:28] <xed> For the dpkg atleast..
[10:28] <Panzerboy> hmm
[10:28] <xed> synaptic?
[10:28] <uMkulu> synaptic is the packagemanager GUI on dpkg based systems
[10:28] <viper12> package manager xed.
[10:28] <xed> well I don't see it..
[10:28] <Panzerboy> or maybe aptitude or dselect
[10:28] <viper12> shuders.
[10:28] <xed> ...
[10:28] <Panzerboy> viper12: ? :)
[10:28] <xed> how do I get all the dpkgs to stop?
[10:28] <Panzerboy> sudo killall -9 dpkg
[10:29] <viper12> frickin' hated aptitude and dselect.  >luvs synaptic for simplicity and ease of use.
[10:29] <johnnybe1ak> mplayer works!!!!!! woot :) thanks for your help guys!
[10:29] <viper12> excellent johnnybe1ak
[10:29] <Panzerboy> viper12: i use apt-get
[10:29] <xed> dpkg: no process killed
[10:29] <Panzerboy> johnnybe1ak: did you compile it from the source?
[10:29] <viper12> I use synaptic unless absolutely FORCED to go command line.
[10:29] <johnnybe1ak> Panzerboy: no i got build errors
[10:29] <Panzerboy> johnnybe1ak: of you took it from some repo?
[10:29] <viper12> smart upgrad is my friend.
[10:29] <bob_> viper12, no I meant the d-link 504t..
[10:30] <Panzerboy> viper12: :)
[10:30] <viper12> lmao.........well that goes without saying bob. lmao
[10:30] <xed> So.. that process killing thing didn't work Panzerboy
[10:30] <Panzerboy> but when do you get that error?
[10:30] <johnnybe1ak> Panzerboy: from the multiverse for some reason the dependancies werent showing up even though theyre in the ubuntu repositories so i just downloaded them off the ubuntu web site
[10:30] <Panzerboy> what are you trying to do ?
[10:30] <xed> kill the dpkg processes, which are supposedly running and I can't see them?
[10:30] <Panzerboy> johnnybe1ak: the dependencies?
[10:30] <thoreauputic> xed: do you have several terminals open? Are you in process of installing something else?
[10:31] <xed> thoreauputic, I have one running
[10:31] <johnnybe1ak> Panzerboy: yeah
[10:31] <xed> I remember pressing ctrl+x on something (and upgrade) and it stopped
[10:31] <xed> ...
[10:31] <Panzerboy> xed: and you want to start another one?
[10:31] <thoreauputic> xed: that message always mens apt is busy
[10:31] <thoreauputic> *means
[10:31] <xed> ...
[10:31] <Panzerboy> johnnybe1ak: thanks, i will install mplayer later :)
[10:31] <xed> that ctrl+x probably had something to do with it
[10:31] <viper12> something got orphaned possibly.......
[10:31] <thoreauputic> xed: you have to wait for the process to finish
[10:31] <Panzerboy> always press ctrl+c
[10:31] <Panzerboy> not +x
[10:32] <xed> well i did press it while an upgrade was running..
[10:32] <Panzerboy> ps aux | grep dpkg ?
[10:32] <johnnybe1ak> now to get some non ugly skin for mplayer :P
[10:32] <Panzerboy> what is it showing?
[10:32] <tga> maybe you pressed ctrl+z
[10:32] <xed> ...nothing
[10:32] <xed> ah, that might be it tga
[10:32] <xed> I don't know
[10:32] <viper12> xed, you could fiddle and hunt for awhile.......or just reboot and get it taken care of. ;)
[10:32] <Panzerboy> tga: :-)
[10:32] <Panzerboy> z is near x :P
[10:32] <tga> xed: try fg
[10:32] <xed> viper12: i think I might go into windows to continue my torrents.. =|
[10:32] <thoreauputic> viper12: reboot?? this is Linux!
[10:33] <tga> just 1-2 keys apart.. not much difference
[10:33] <xed> brb
[10:33] <viper12> yeah, it IS thoreau.......and linux reboots like a rocket........and rather than spend three hours on a mistake........sometimes the path of least resistance.....is the most efficeint at solving the problem. ;)
[10:34] <viper12> too much time is money 'engineer' in me i guess. lol
[10:34] <thoreauputic> viper12: heretic!
[10:34] <viper12> and damn proud of it. lol
[10:34] <spazery> how do i stop services from loading when the computer boots up? can anyone help??
[10:35] <viper12> lmao
[10:35] <tga> spacey: update-rc.d -f SERVICENAME remove
[10:35] <tga> spacey: man update-rc.d for more info
[10:35] <spazery> thanks
[10:35] <tga> np
[10:35] <Panzerboy> tga: there is no graphical runlevel editor in ubuntu ?
[10:36] <tga> I have no idea
[10:36] <thoreauputic> No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
[10:36] <tga> ntsysv? :)
[10:36] <Panzerboy> cause that update-rc.d is so unintuitive :p
[10:36] <Panzerboy> yeah
[10:36] <Panzerboy> :)
[10:36] <spiral> hmmm... kde 3.4 is normally going to be released in almost 10 days... Do you know if it will be integrated in hoary ?
[10:36] <viper12> lmao x 10 thoreauputic .......my inbox does "thwaaaang........message for you sir!"
 I'll check with this :-)
[10:39] <viper12> "know thyself" is very important thoreauputic
[10:39] <viper12> heh heh.
[10:39] <thoreauputic> indeed ;-)
[10:39] <viper12> cool spiral.......the KUbuntu project is running in parallel with the main....with the KDE environment.
[10:40] <tga> the question is whether it's spiraling up or down
[10:40] <viper12> although I personally don't like KDE, its cool that the project is running, as 'viva la'difference is better than "you must run THIS". :)
[10:40] <tga> viva la flamewar
[10:40] <bob_> ttyl! :)
[10:41] <viper12> lmao tga.  (I said PERSONALLY)....not it 'sucks.  heh heh
[10:41] <aspro> Hello, I am running a fully updated hoary and I run XFCE as my DE, for some reason gnome-integrated apps seem to take forever to load up and azureus (java gtk program) doesnt load at all
[10:41] <mips> Help ! I just installed AMD64 Hoary, after doing the Nvidia install X wont start ?
[10:41] <xed> okay, so I'm avoiding Windows here
[10:41] <aspro> with a plain array-4 install they work perfectly
[10:41] <xed> I tried installing BitTornado onto #ubuntu
[10:41] <xed> err
[10:41] <spiral> viper12: this sounds quite nice :-)
[10:41] <xed> Ubuntu*
[10:41] <thoreauputic> xed: good man :)
[10:41] <johnnybe1ak> mips: whats the error?
[10:41] <uMkulu> the error is something like couldn't load my gnome..
[10:42] <viper12> aspro........are you using xorg + fglrx?
[10:42] <viper12> thought you'd like that spiral.
[10:42] <aspro> xorg + nvidia, it only happens to select gtk apps
[10:42] <mips> johnnybe1ak, says it cannot start the x server
[10:42] <thoreauputic> hmm uMkulu has some bot problems...
[10:42] <xed> So.. I can't find where it went
[10:42] <xed> bittornado that
[10:42] <xed> is
[10:43] <tga> uMkulu: mumu?
[10:43] <uMkulu> mumu is good
[10:43] <viper12> aspro there are known issues with the latest xorg and the fglrx (nvidia) drivers.......which are causing redraw and other issues...tis possible that's whats causing the problems.
[10:43] <thoreauputic> hi uMkulu :)
[10:43] <xed> where'd bittornado go?
[10:43] <xed> I installed it.. and it went poof.. bye bye. it went away
[10:43] <xed> =(
[10:43] <xed> Now I'm sad
[10:44] <aspro> hmm okay, but this isnt redraw, its like not doing a thing for around 2 minutes or so
[10:44] <thoreauputic> xed: try `locate bittornado`
[10:44] <Dmitrifluitman> I know it's OK to be a newbie
[10:44] <Dmitrifluitman> but it still feels odd :D
[10:45] <Panzerboy> Dmitrifluitman: no, it's not :-)
[10:45] <Dmitrifluitman> oh...
[10:45] <viper12> its also possible that being hoary and development something has been borked when running another environment and loading the gnome libraries to run the apps.
[10:45] <Dmitrifluitman> then I'll leave
[10:45] <Panzerboy> all newbies will be punished :D
[10:45] <xed> warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[10:45] <xed> that ..isn't good
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Kill the newbie !! ;-)
[10:45] <tga> other than scaling my frequency all the way down what else can I do to prevent my laptop fan from starting?
[10:45] <Dmitrifluitman> hehehe
[10:45] <xed> I'm dead =(
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Dmitrifluitman: what's the problem?
[10:45] <uMkulu> the problem is i cant open it via menu
[10:45] <flange> tga: use it in the fridge? ;)
[10:45] <Panzerboy> lol
[10:45] <Dmitrifluitman> I installed ubuntu just yesterday
[10:45] <thoreauputic> xed: sudo updatedb && locate bittornado
[10:46] <Dmitrifluitman> now I want to install a ftp prog
[10:46] <Panzerboy> my gnome-volume-manager just crashed
[10:46] <thoreauputic> and ignore the "error"
[10:46] <tga> I remember it being a lot quieter with the ACPI processor module loaded, but that was back on Gentoo
[10:46] <Dmitrifluitman> I've got the .gz
[10:46] <Panzerboy> Dmitrifluitman: www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:46] <viper12> aspro, have you checked the hoary forums regarding this?  you may wanna post the problem there....may alert someone to a problem.
[10:46] <Panzerboy> Dmitrifluitman: very good lecture
[10:46] <Panzerboy> Dmitrifluitman: not the .gx
[10:46] <Panzerboy> gz
[10:46] <Panzerboy> c'mon man, this is debian
[10:46] <tga> .cx
[10:46] <Panzerboy> :)
[10:46] <Panzerboy> no more gx
[10:46] <Panzerboy> gz lol
[10:46] <Panzerboy> tga: :)
[10:47] <xed> Umm.. okay that did.. nothing thoreauputic
[10:47] <aspro> viper12, i checked the forums, will post something about it
[10:47] <Dmitrifluitman> no it's a bz2
[10:47] <Dmitrifluitman> But I'll just read :)
[10:47] <thoreauputic> xed: did you let it run? It takes several minutes
[10:47] <xed> warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[10:47] <xed> and it just blinks...
[10:47] <xed> blink..blink..blink
[10:47] <viper12> nods....seeing that the apps DO run eventually, sounds like a library issue or a call, but that would be damn hard to suss out.
[10:47] <xed> well that might explain why my CPU frequency just went up
[10:47] <thoreauputic> xed , it's running
[10:47] <viper12> or easy......but murphy says 'hard'.
[10:48] <xed> okay so now its done
[10:48] <xed> ...
[10:48] <thoreauputic> xed, you won't see anything
[10:48] <xed> I see...some things
[10:48] <xed> its done..
[10:48] <Panzerboy> Dmitrifluitman: what ftp client are you trying to install ?
[10:48] <thoreauputic> so now `locate bittornado` or whatever
[10:48] <thoreauputic> you should see a list of stuff
[10:48] <xed> yep
[10:48] <xed> I see the list
[10:48] <Dmitrifluitman> panzerboy kbear
[10:49] <saif> hello every1
[10:49] <Dmitrifluitman> hi
[10:49] <uMkulu> bonjour, Dmitrifluitman
[10:49] <Dmitrifluitman> hehehe
[10:49] <Panzerboy> Dmitrifluitman: is that kde based?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> xed: look for something in /usr/bin
[10:49] <Dmitrifluitman> moment :)
[10:49] <xed> I see a few things, thoreauputic
[10:49] <thoreauputic> xed; that's where the executable usually lands
[10:49] <Panzerboy> i guess, since the name starts with k :P
[10:49] <Dmitrifluitman> panzerboy yes
[10:49] <xed> what ..wait-- wha?
[10:49] <Dmitrifluitman> http://kbear.sourceforge.net/
[10:50] <thoreauputic> anyone know the command for bittornado? I don't...
[10:50] <Panzerboy> Dmitrifluitman: well then, you have to read that guide
[10:50] <Panzerboy> Dmitrifluitman: it will teach you how to add new repositories
[10:50] <Panzerboy> because i guess that kbear depends on some kdelibs
[10:50] <xed> Where is Desktop located, in the file system?
[10:50] <tga> kbeer?
[10:50] <tga> xed: /home/xed/Desktop
[10:50] <Panzerboy> which are not installed by default, given the fact that Ubuntu is a gnome distro
[10:51] <saif> hehe, i just installed ubuntu warty and it asked me if i wish to download software from the internet and i said yes, how long is this gonna take approx.? on a 128 connection?
[10:51] <tga> saif: a long time
[10:51] <Panzerboy> saif: a loooong time :P
[10:51] <xed> sweeeetttt
[10:51] <Dmitrifluitman> panzerboy Thnx
[10:51] <Panzerboy> go get a beer, or smth
[10:51] <xed> got bittornado working
[10:51] <Panzerboy> and relax
[10:51] <viper12> welp, eyeball-burn sets in.  take care all. :)
[10:51] <thoreauputic> saif: make your will now ;-)
[10:52] <tga> saif: the good news is that you can stop it and continue dowloading later
[10:52] <xed> now to figure out a way to put a shortcut on desktop
[10:52] <Panzerboy> bbl people
[10:52] <saif> yeah, too bad they use gnome, i really prefer kde
[10:52] <Panzerboy> saif: see KUbuntu
[10:52] <thoreauputic> saif: you can get it if you want
[10:52] <mips> Help ! I just installed AMD64 Hoary, after doing the Nvidia install X wont start ? Anybody ?
[10:52] <Panzerboy> saif: some .iso was released yesterday, or the day before
[10:53] <tga> mips: did you modprobe nvidia?
[10:53] <mips> tga, no, im new to this, no idea what modprobe is
[10:53] <thoreauputic> xed: right click, new launcher , type command, choose icon
[10:53] <zxccv> http://www.tcpsecurity.com
[10:53] <spiral> hmmm... if I try adding the kubuntu repo for kde 3.4 testing and updating, it wants to remove package kde & kdeartwork... is it normal ?
[10:54] <mips> tga, ok, changed my xorg.conf back to "nv" driver and now I can get X up
[10:54] <xed> thoreauputic, done
[10:54] <brosio> anyone can me explain the different beetween hoary and warty ?
[10:54] <thoreauputic> xed: :)
[10:54] <xed> now to figure out why tornado isn't connecting to trackers..
[10:54] <brosio> warty=stable ?
[10:54] <brosio> hoary=unstable ?
[10:54] <thoreauputic> brosio: yep
[10:54] <spiral> brosio: hoary is the next release...
[10:54] <spiral> brosio: yeah, unstable for now
[10:54] <brosio> spiral exist also a testing
[10:54] <brosio> ?
[10:54] <thoreauputic> brosio: no
[10:55] <thoreauputic> brosio: warty, hoary
[10:55] <thoreauputic> so far
[10:55] <brosio> so the release with more recently package is hoary ?
[10:55] <spiral> brosio: yes
[10:55] <xed> where are my other partitions in the file system?
[10:55] <xed> I have a shortcut on desktop..
[10:55] <brosio> ok perfect i'll add it during the apt-setup thx