[00:01] <owh> twb: The site that davexoxide was having problems with.
[00:01] <twb> owh: oh, sorry.
[00:03] <davexoxide> owh: PHP it's Drupal
[00:04] <owh> davexoxide: Then you can just write a simple php script that runs a mail() command, and you can use phpinfo() to check what it thinks the mail settings are. I'm not certain, but it may be that apache needs reloading before php detects that there is mail installed.
[00:05] <davexoxide> owh sounds like a good way to test... i'll do that now
[00:20] <ScottK> owh: We don't install any MTA by default.
[00:20] <ScottK> davexoxide: What is it you're trying to test?
[00:32] <owh> ScottK, IIRC if you install the "mail-server" task, it installs postfix.
[00:32] <ScottK> owh: True, but that's hardly by default.
[00:35] <owh> ScottK, the original question was: "What should I install, exim or postfix." - default, as in, bare install, you are correct. Default, as in, the one you install when you install the mail-server task, then it's postfix. Meanwhile, the problem davexoxide is currently having is that PHP isn't sending, but we've been working through it.
[00:35] <ScottK> OK.
[00:36] <ScottK> Generally when I'm testing postfix I use telnet to the appropriate port.
[00:39] <owh> ScottK - interesting idea. The php suggestion from me came from the notion that the site was running drupal using php. Seemed like less to gin around :)
[00:39] <owh> ScottK, besides, I figured the postfix installer worked - just that PHP was having a hisseyfit :)
[00:40] <ScottK> For basic MTA level stuff it's pretty easy to use telnet and you have direct control over what's being sent.  That and tailing /var/log/mail.log generally clarifies things.
[00:56] <twb> netcat beats telnet :P
[01:01] <tonyyarusso> I need some help configuring bacula.  I want my backups to go into /var/bacula/.  I have that defined in the File Storage type.  Although, it seems like I still need to manually label something there (?).  When I attempt to use the label command in bconsole, I get "3910 Unable to open device "FileStorage" (/var/bacula/): ERR=dev.c:491 Could not open: /var/bacula/File1, ERR=Permission denied"
[01:01] <tonyyarusso> /var/bacula/ is 770 root:bacula.  What's wrong here?
[01:16] <rgotten> anybody has try webmin agains ebox
[01:19] <Deeps> !webmin | rgotten
[01:20] <luckyone> hello all, can anyone help me figure out how to get my samba server running correctly? I have tried to use eBox to create it
[01:20] <luckyone> I am getting some errors trying to connect...
[02:07] <ricardo1> hi can you help me????
[02:07] <ricardo1> how can i install pear???
[02:07] <ricardo1> having trouble
[02:08] <zoopster> what is the trouble?
[02:09] <zoopster> sudo apt-get install php-pear would be the command, no?
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> ricardo1, fewer "?" and more description will probably get you more (and less hostile) help
[02:11] <ricardo1> Kamping_Kaiser Fatal error:  require() [function.require]: Failed opening required '/var/www/joomla159/components/com_estateagent/includes/gallery/../../../../globals.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /var/www/joomla159/components/com_estateagent/includes/gallery/authEA.php on line 22 ............ fuckin error
[02:14] <zoopster> provided the globals.php exists...does it have the correct permissions?
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> zoopster, s help still hold - thats how you install php-pear. not dealing with php much i'm not sure how to read the error - it looks to me like joolas globals.php cant be found
[02:17] <zoopster> Kamping_Kaiser: his 2nd question was "how can I install pear???"
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> zoopster, i saw
[02:19] <zoopster> most of those issues I have seen are permissions issues...the file cannot be read by the server...either ownership or rights
[03:05] <davexoxide> ScottK: so i set up a simple php script and it's unable to send
[03:05] <ScottK> davexoxide: If you telnet from localhost can you send?
[03:09] <davexoxide> ScottK: I got 201 messages until i do DATA
[03:09] <davexoxide> then no matter what i put I get 500
[03:09] <davexoxide> sorry 501
[03:09] <ScottK> What does /var/log/mail.log have to say about it?
[03:10] <ScottK> If you can pastebin the log messages for one transaction, I can probably sort it out.
[03:11] <davexoxide> ScottK: http://davexoxide.pastebin.com/d7693521b
[03:11]  * ScottK looks
[03:12] <ScottK> davexoxide: So you have one that you did send to Hotmail that was OK.
[03:12] <ScottK> How is that being sent?
[03:12] <davexoxide> no, telnet failed at the last step
[03:13] <davexoxide> i did a command line php -a
[03:13] <davexoxide> mail();
[03:13] <davexoxide> that did work to hotmail
[03:13] <ScottK> OK.
[03:13] <ScottK> What's the exact error you got after data?
[03:14] <davexoxide> ScottK: http://davexoxide.pastebin.com/d2c54238f
[03:14] <ScottK> Looking
[03:15] <ScottK> davexoxide: When you are telnetting, you need a newline between the command DATA and the actual data.
[03:16] <davexoxide> ok i'll try that, and see what happens
[03:16] <ScottK> The 501 is it's telling you you got the syntax wrong.
[03:18] <davexoxide> ScottK: yeah that worked.. and php -a mail() works...
[03:18] <davexoxide> but my simple php mail script fails... hmm
[03:19] <davexoxide> ScottK: http://www.buildwebsite4u.com/advanced/php.shtml
[03:19] <davexoxide> http://static.davexoxide.com/mail.html
[03:20] <ScottK> davexoxide: OK.  Those two things tell you you have a php problem, not a mail server problem.
[03:20] <davexoxide> ok great, thanks man
[03:27] <ScottK> davexoxide: My guess would be that the php 'mail' command you appear to be using doesn't talk smtp, but I know zip about php.
[03:28] <davexoxide> yeah it's sendmail_path
[03:28] <davexoxide> i still had exim in my conf file
[03:28] <ScottK> Ah.
[03:28] <davexoxide> for postfix it should be /usr/lib/sendmail?? or something like that
[03:28] <ScottK> Postfix sendmail is compatible externally with the sendmail sendmail command.
[03:29] <ScottK> Yes.  That's where it is.
[03:42] <twb> davexoxide: all MTAs on Ubuntu provide /usr/sbin/sendmail.
[03:42] <twb> davexoxide: /usr/lib/sendmail is a legacy location found on e.g. Solaris
[03:43] <davexoxide> yeah i decided to go with default setting of sendmail -t -i
[03:43] <davexoxide> still not working as expected but at least i know it's not postfix
[03:43] <davexoxide> i'm over in the php room bothering those guys now
[03:44] <davexoxide> thanks ScottK and twb for the help!
[03:44] <ScottK> davexoxide: You're welcome.
[06:36] <Hellsheep> Hey
[06:36] <Hellsheep> I am trying to install a teamspeak server onto my Ubuntu home server, i created a new user using: sudo useradd -d /home/teamspeak teamspeak
[06:36] <Hellsheep> and it created the user, except i dont know the pass? =o
[06:37] <Hellsheep> How do i determine the password for it
[06:39] <Hellsheep> i tried su teamspeak
[06:39] <Hellsheep> but it asks for the password, and no matter what i try it wont work
[06:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> why on earth did you `useradd -d` instead of just `adduser` ?
[06:43] <Hellsheep> i have no clue
[06:43] <Hellsheep> i blame a website
[06:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hellsheep, it wont have a password, set one with `sudo passwd teamspeak`
[06:44] <Hellsheep> the teamspeak website says use -d
[06:44] <Hellsheep> ty
[06:44] <Hellsheep> Why do people on sites like teamspeak and vent fail to write all the details
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> if its in a wiki, i suggest you update it
[06:45] <Hellsheep> It's not. =[
[06:45] <Hellsheep> It's on the main teamspeak site..... =/
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> its possible they use 'adduser' in the example because its a lowest common denominator.
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :\
[06:45] <Hellsheep> http://www.teamspeak.com/?page=tutorial_b
[06:46] <Hellsheep> and i had the same problems with Ventrilo
[06:46] <Hellsheep> They lack the correct information to install without looking somewhere else
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hellsheep, it assumes you are root - if you are root you can `su` to any other user without a password
[06:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> `sudo su teamspeak` would be equivilant to `su teamspeak` as root
[06:47] <Hellsheep> i see
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> i still think `adduser --disabled-password` or something similar would be better then useradd -d (but i'm sure they've look into it)
[06:50] <Hellsheep> Your solution would have worked the first time though.
[06:50] <Hellsheep> And your solution solved my problem.
[06:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> theres a few lines in that guide  i find a little strange
[06:52]  * Kamping_Kaiser shrug
[06:55] <Hellsheep> yeah
[06:55] <Hellsheep> like their extraction methods dont work either
[06:58] <Hellsheep> =/
[07:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> should do. how did it fail?
[07:02] <Hellsheep> Dunno lost the error thing
[07:02] <Hellsheep> except
[07:02] <Hellsheep> i just WinSCP the whole folder
[07:02] <Hellsheep> instead of .tar.bz2 file
[07:03] <Hellsheep> bash: ./teamspeak2-server_startscript: Permission denied
[07:03] <Hellsheep> Love that
[07:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> its probably not executable.
[07:04] <Hellsheep> so i see
[07:04] <Hellsheep> dunno how to change that
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> perhaps a result of copying it around. try `chmod +x ./teamspeak2-server_startscript` and rerunning the command
[07:05] <Hellsheep> thanks
[07:05] <Hellsheep> that worked
[07:06] <Hellsheep> gotta clean up around the house now
[07:06] <Hellsheep> cyaz
[07:06] <Hellsheep> and thanks
[07:06] <Hellsheep> you always have the answers =P
[07:12] <suigeneris> ScottK-desktop, are you there?
[07:35] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #326936 in samba (main) "package samba 3.0.28a-1ubuntu4.7 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326936
[08:47] <kraut> moin
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> allo
[08:51] <pike__> im trying to run a dhcp server on eth1.  i have installed the server but im not sure how to designate an interface to listen on in dhcpd.conf
[08:52] <pike__> all other config is done it just compains that no interface is set to listen on
[08:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> pike__, ISC dhcpd? set it to give out addresses on the netblock eth1 is on, it'll do the rest
[08:59] <pike__> i see thx
[09:15] <Xperiment62> ive been forced due to my brother killing my main computer, to use my server as a desktop machine, i miss my music... how can i install and setup a sound system to use with mplayer easily?
[09:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #327105 in apache2 (main) "package apache2.2-common 2.2.9-7ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: package apache2.2-common is not ready for configuration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327105
[09:28] <Xperiment62> how can i get sound output from my server
[09:28] <soren> Xperiment62: Play something?
[09:29] <Xperiment62> i tried
[09:29] <soren> And?
[09:29] <Xperiment62> nothing
[09:29] <soren> -ENOINFORMATION
[09:29] <Xperiment62> mplayer started playing it but absolutely no sound
[09:29] <soren> turn up the volume?
[09:29] <Xperiment62> umm
[09:29] <Xperiment62> remember this is server edition
[09:29] <soren> Yes?
[09:29] <Xperiment62> and i did turn up the volume
[09:30] <Xperiment62> nothing at all
[09:30] <Xperiment62> so please dont treat me like an idiot
[09:30] <soren> Well, then give me some information that is actually useful.
[09:30] <Xperiment62> well, what is tehre to say
[09:30] <soren> How does it fail? What output do you get? What have you done to make it work?
[09:31] <suigeneris> did you unmute it?
[09:31] <Xperiment62> gah
[09:31] <Xperiment62> its a basic install of server
[09:31] <Xperiment62> recently installed mplayer
[09:31] <soren> You keep saying that, but what do you think that means?
[09:31] <Xperiment62> tried to use the alsa output but no avail
[09:31] <Xperiment62> tried pulse
[09:31] <Xperiment62> no luck there
[09:31] <Xperiment62> and i havent ever been given any output from them
[09:32] <Xperiment62> im telling you what i know
[09:32] <soren> mplayer doesn't give you any output?
[09:32] <Xperiment62> your asking for information i dont have
[09:32] <Xperiment62> ti gives regular output
[09:32] <soren> Well, /I/ certainly don't have it.
[09:32] <soren> Let's see it.
[09:32] <Xperiment62> umm
[09:32] <Xperiment62> how can i do this
[09:32] <soren> regular output != no output
[09:32] <Xperiment62> from CLI
[09:33] <Xperiment62> regular output = nothing of interest to the situation
[09:33] <soren> pastebinit, for instance.
[09:33] <Xperiment62> umm
[09:33] <Xperiment62> im in CLI
[09:33] <soren> pastebinit - command-line pastebin client
[09:34] <Xperiment62> so you want me to instal a pastebin client?
[09:34] <soren> No. I want you to show me the output from mplayer. I'm *suggesting* that you use a pastebin client for that. That seems reasonable.
[09:35] <soren> If you've got a better way, that's fine.
[09:35] <soren> ssh from another machine or whatever.
[09:35] <soren> I'm just interested in the output.
[09:35] <Xperiment62> oh yeah
[09:35] <Xperiment62> fyi
[09:35] <Xperiment62> i dont ahve anotehr machine
[09:35] <Xperiment62> thats the whol reason for wanting sound
[09:35] <Xperiment62> my brotehr killed my IDE controller on my main
[09:35] <Xperiment62> so ive had to revert to using my server
[09:36] <Xperiment62> ill install a pastebin client
[09:36] <soren> Ok. Well, if you've got a better way to show me the output, that's fine. You just asked med how to do it.
[09:36] <soren> If you can dump it in a file an put in on a webserver somewhere, that's cool.
[09:37] <Xperiment62> that would be a good idea
[09:37] <Xperiment62> if i hadnt killed my apache server a couple of weeks ago
[09:37] <Xperiment62> unless
[09:37] <Xperiment62> nah
[09:38] <Xperiment62> chuck me an example of what i should be doing with pastebin init
[09:38] <soren> Dunno. never used it myself.
[09:39] <Xperiment62> like what command should i run to use it to output the output from a command?
[09:39] <Xperiment62> hrmm
[09:40] <Xperiment62> i think ive got it figured out
[09:40] <Xperiment62> wont be a minute or two
[09:42] <Xperiment62> http://pastebin.com/f20b3558a
[09:43] <Xperiment62> that work>?
[09:44] <Xperiment62> that was usign mplayer filename >> alsa.txt
[09:44] <Xperiment62> then pastebininit -i alsa.txt
[09:44] <soren> Yes.
[09:44] <Xperiment62> col
[09:44] <Xperiment62> cool*
[09:46] <soren> Could you send the output of amixer as well?
[09:46] <Xperiment62> umm
[09:46] <Xperiment62> one sec
[09:47] <Xperiment62> http://pastebin.com/fd8fa4f
[09:47] <soren> Your master is muted.
[09:47] <Xperiment62> really?
[09:47] <Xperiment62> why would it be muted?
[09:47] <Xperiment62> thats just bizzare
[09:48] <soren> *shrug*
[09:48] <Xperiment62> know how to remedy the situation?
[09:49] <soren> Unmute it with your favourite mixer application?
[09:50] <Xperiment62> umm
[09:50] <Xperiment62> i dont ahve a favourite
[09:50] <Xperiment62> or have one that i really know how to use fully
[09:50] <Xperiment62> as i dotn often use a server as a desktop machine
[09:51] <soren> You said earlier that you had turned up the volume... What did you use for that?
[09:52] <Xperiment62> my amp
[09:52] <soren> Eh?
[09:52] <soren> ....
[09:52] <Xperiment62> external
[09:52] <soren> So you never touched your sound cards mixer settings?
[09:52] <Xperiment62> no
[09:53] <soren> ....
[09:53] <soren> I see.
[09:54] <soren> Now would be a good time to start doing so.
[09:54] <Xperiment62> aah
[09:54] <Xperiment62> found it
[09:54] <soren> Actually, before asking about why you don't have any sound output would be an even better time. :/
[09:54] <Xperiment62> tinkered around in alsamixer
[09:54] <Xperiment62> and for some bizzare reason all my outputs were muted
[09:55] <Xperiment62> tried random keys and found the muting key
[09:59] <Xperiment62> thankyou soren
[10:02] <suigeneris> hah! and you said "gah" when I asked "did you unmute it?"
[10:07] <soren> suigeneris: He also didn't want us to treat him like an idiot.
[10:29] <lukehasnoname> nijaba: Thank you for updates to the KVM documentation
[10:30] <lukehasnoname> I've been wanting this for a while, it looks good so far. Haven't tested the instructions, but I hope to when I have a chance later this week
[10:31] <nijaba> lukehasnoname: I merely reordered the instructions and split it in multiple page so that it is a bit less scary
[10:31] <nijaba> but thanks
[10:32] <lukehasnoname> the instructions are updated for hardy/interpid, and the wording is more informative rather than 'cp this into console and you have kvm!'
[10:40] <UndertakerX2> Could some one help me with this error? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/115946/
[10:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> installed aclocal
[10:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[10:41] <UndertakerX2> dont believe so, sudo apt-get aclocal ?
[10:42] <UndertakerX2> that right?
[10:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-file tells me its in the automake package
[10:44] <UndertakerX2> so if i install automake i should be good to go right>
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> until the next missing dependancy yes
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> what are you trying to install?
[10:45] <UndertakerX2> xbbt backend for gazelle
[10:49] <UndertakerX2> that fixxed that but have a new error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/115951/
[10:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah. they should provide a list of dependancies needed to build it, eitehr in the package (Eg, in an INSTALL file) or on their site
[10:51] <UndertakerX2> yeah but im not sure what is already on my system and whats not, and dotn want to overwrite anything
[10:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> !be
[10:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> bah.
[10:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> !build-essential
[10:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> UndertakerX2, ^^
[10:51] <UndertakerX2> i will check that out, thanks
[11:09] <godsyn> nealmcb: I just wanted to stop in and say thanks again. I just google'd my nick (I'm that bored) and our conversation ( http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/07/20/%23ubuntu-server.txt ) came up.
[11:12] <UndertakerX2> Can some one help with this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/115951/ ?
[11:17] <suigeneris> is this channel logged?
[11:17] <suigeneris> !log
[11:18] <godsyn> UndertakerX2, do you have libtool installed?
[11:19] <UndertakerX2> i used this command: apt-get install cmake g++ libboost-date-time-dev libboost-dev libboost-filesystem-dev libboost-program-options-dev libboost-regex-dev libboost-serialization-dev make zlib1g-dev
[11:19] <godsyn> new to linux?
[11:19] <UndertakerX2> a biot yes :p
[11:19] <UndertakerX2> bit*
[11:20] <godsyn> hehe, ok. Echo back the results from "aptitude search libtool". I'm only interested in the ones that are installed (they'll have an "i" in front).
[11:23] <UndertakerX2> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/115977/
[11:23] <UndertakerX2> there ya go
[11:24] <godsyn> aptitude install libtool, then run your above command.
[11:25] <UndertakerX2> that worked, thanks!
[11:26] <UndertakerX2> you would think they could list that in the dpendincies ya know :p
[11:26] <godsyn> no prob. enjoy XBT (just a guess).
[11:26] <UndertakerX2> close enough
[11:27] <UndertakerX2> gazelle, xbbt back end
[11:27] <UndertakerX2> i used to work on a tbdev install for a friend awhile back so wanted to play around with gazelle
[11:29] <suigeneris> the other day ScottK gave me a command to see inside a certificate, but I don't remember. does anybody know?
[11:29] <suigeneris> openssl x509 something
[11:30] <UndertakerX2> gosyn, used make and most of it went alright untill this part http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/115992/
[11:31] <UndertakerX2> sorry godsyn, typing skills are horrid tonight
[11:31] <godsyn> reading up on gazelle
[11:32] <UndertakerX2> k thanks
[11:32] <UndertakerX2> suigeneris: http://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/man1/openssl_x509.1.asp that what you want?
[11:32] <godsyn> the 1st list of dependancies. did they install ok? (apache / etc)
[11:33] <UndertakerX2> yep
[11:34] <UndertakerX2> if memorey serves me right, i can gdouble check if you like
[11:35] <UndertakerX2> the front end is up and running fine, but the guise i was using says i need xbbt but the offical instal docs did not
[11:37] <godsyn> http://projectgazelle.org/viewtopic.php?pid=982#p982
[11:38] <godsyn> out f date makefile :(
[11:38] <godsyn> **of
[11:39] <UndertakerX2> thanks let me try that
[11:44] <godsyn> My shift is over and my replacement here (datacenter). Best of luck!
[11:45] <suigeneris> UndertakerX2, thanks, with a little trial and error, i managed to see it
[11:45] <UndertakerX2> thanks godsyn
[11:46] <UndertakerX2> suigeneris: no problem glad to help
[12:18] <dou213> can someone here help me with my ftp-server? installed vsftpd, in config no anonymous login possible, mount --bind the public folder with one folder from /home/user/, then configured FTP over SSL (like on this site over here: http://www.zeroathome.de/wordpress/ftp-und-webdav-fuer-euren-ubuntu-server/) but now when i go in FileZilla and try to connect, it fails...
[12:22] <dou213> configs in FileZilla: host: ip-address of pc behind the router (i'm @ home), Port: 21, Servertype: FTP over SSL (explicit encryption), Logontype: normal with user and password from the users on the server machine
[12:24] <Deeps> no idea about filezilla i'm afraid, however there should be some output somewhere, either in the server logs in /var/log, or from your client (in terms of what it recieved from the server as an error, if anything)
[12:25] <dou213> hi Deeps, from my client (on windows *baaah*) nothing there, only connection failed... checking now the logs on the server machine
[12:26] <dou213> in which log file would there be information about this?
[12:27] <Deeps> auth.log maybe? if there's a vsftpd folder it may be in there? syslog?
[12:31] <soren> What does it mean when ping says "source quench"?
[12:32] <dou213> just seen that vsftpd created a new user: ftp, i think i must login with that user then... Deeps, can u please have a look on the configuration on that link i've sent? i know it is foreign language, have a look only at the commands to run, maybe you get an idea what the problem is... the commands from FTP - Server section to FTP over SSL
[12:32] <Deeps> "destination too busy", says cisco on google
[12:32] <soren> Deeps: Google, huh? I should try that.
[12:32] <Deeps> soren: ;)
[12:33] <Deeps> dou213: i dunno, ive never used vsftpd
[12:33] <Deeps> dou213: it "appears" to be ok, but i honestly dont know
[12:34] <Deeps> soren: "Source Quench Messages is an IP ICMP message implying the following. The server is getting data at to high a rate and can not buffer it. This messages then means please send data in smaller bursts." if that helps ;_
[12:34] <dou213> Deeps, ok mate thx anyway, i'll try to figure it out myself.. maybe i'll get lucky
[13:01] <UndertakerX2> how can i downgrade to gcc-4.1 and g++-4.1 ?
[13:05] <suigeneris> !downgrads
[13:05] <suigeneris> !downgrade
[13:06] <UndertakerX2> im not downgrading an entire version of ubuntu am i? :s
[13:08] <ScottK> UndertakerX2: There are separate packages for differenct GCC versions.
[13:09] <ScottK> UndertakerX2: You want to install gcc-4.1 packages and then change the gcc symlink to point there.
[13:10] <UndertakerX2> well i have a make file that seems to be compiled with gcc-4.1 and g++-4.1, just looking for the easiest route to resolve this issue
[13:12] <UndertakerX2> would it be easiest to change the makefile and instal 4.1?
[13:12] <UndertakerX2> rather then completley downgrading
[13:16] <UndertakerX2> ScottK: where is the symlink located?
[13:17] <Deeps> UndertakerX2: run: which gcc
[13:17] <Deeps> UndertakerX2: or: ls -l `which gcc`
[13:19] <UndertakerX2> thanks, do i do this for g++-4.1 to?
[13:25] <UndertakerX2> i cant seem to make that work for g++
[13:28] <ScottK> Dunno about g++
[13:30] <UndertakerX2> ok thanks
[13:34] <Deeps> # ls -l `which g++`
[13:34] <Deeps> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2008-10-15 11:17 /usr/bin/g++ -> g++-4.2
[13:42] <UndertakerX2> Deeps: thanks, it says i need to use -E or -x.
[13:43] <Deeps> ?
[13:43] <Deeps> what is "it"?
[13:43] <UndertakerX2> the command above
[13:44] <UndertakerX2> ->
[13:44] <UndertakerX2> that one
[13:45] <UndertakerX2> ] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2008-10-15 11:17 /usr/bin/g++ -> g++-4.2
[13:46] <Deeps> i dont see "it" saying you need to use -E or -x?
[13:46] <UndertakerX2> g++: -E or -x required when input is from standard input
[13:47] <Deeps> what are you trying to do?
[13:47] <Deeps> if you're trying to make a symlink for g++ to point to g++-4.1, you shouldn't be running g++...
[13:48] <Deeps> rm /usr/bin/g++ && ln -s /usr/bin/g++-4.1 /usr/bin/g++
[13:48] <Deeps> at a guess, assuming /usr/bin/g++-4.1 exists when you install g++-4.1
[13:50] <UndertakerX2> sorry deeps im feeling rather sick i think this is going to have to wait untill tomorow
[13:51] <UndertakerX2> Deeps: thanks for all the help though
[13:57] <soren> I slept all the way to Berlin, so I thought the flight was longer, but it was only about an hour or so.
[13:57] <soren> Err... Whoops
[13:57] <soren> :)
[14:12] <zul> how do I tell apt that I have a sources.list.d as well and to use it?
[14:33] <lapo> hi
[14:52] <lapo> is there any documentaion about clustering with hardy? I'm playing with heartbeat+drbd atm, I would like to setup a fail-over samba server
[14:59] <kinnaz> anyone has exp with ibm server with lsi 1030 on ubuntu ?
[15:13] <dou213> hi guys, i can't connect to my ftp-server from intern (behind the router) with SSL, unencrypted it works, but not with SSL
[15:23] <dou213> can somebody help fix this problem, preferably someone with experience in FileZilla too :)
[15:25] <Faust-C> dou213: ports open? are they being forwarded
[15:27] <dou213> Faust-C, in router i didn't open port 21
[15:27] <dou213> should i?
[15:27] <DogWater> does anyone know what package i need to install to get the lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/source/ or lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/build/ folders?
[15:28] <Faust-C> dou213: what port does it want for SSL
[15:28] <Faust-C> forward that port
[15:28] <dou213> Faust-C, don't know, how can i find that out? probably 443 (default port for SSL)
[15:29] <Deeps> Faust-C: he's accessing an ftp server inside his lan from within his lan
[15:29] <dou213> Deeps, yes right
[15:29] <dou213> that's why i thought i don't need (for now) to open the ports
[15:29] <Faust-C> heh cant work if you dont let it
[15:30] <dou213> Faust-C, ok so open port 21 y?
[15:31] <Faust-C> dou213: ? no what port does your ftp server use for SSL, you need to make sure its listening for it
[15:31] <Faust-C> and what do logs say?
[15:31] <Faust-C>  /var/log/<whatever ftp server app>
[15:31] <Deeps> Faust-C: he can connect to his ftp without SSL encryption fine without any ports forwarded because it's on the same lan, no routing involved, it's just not working with SSL
[15:31] <Faust-C> Deeps: i read that wrong
[15:32] <dou213> thx Deeps for clearing him up, sry for my bad english
[15:32] <Faust-C> maybe there is a error with the cert
[15:32] <Faust-C> dou213: what ftpd are you using ?
[15:33] <dou213> svftpd
[15:33] <dou213> vsftpd
[15:33] <dou213> w8, i'm giving you the link with what commands i've run to configure it
[15:33] <Faust-C> k
[15:34] <dou213> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeroathome.de%2Fwordpress%2Fftp-und-webdav-fuer-euren-ubuntu-server%2F&sl=de&tl=en
[15:34] <dou213> btw, very nice site :) translate.google.com, found it out just today
[15:35] <dou213> Faust-C, and i've been reading also these pages: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91887   &&  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=518293
[15:36] <dou213> but the cfg i followed is that from the first site, just without his shell script
[15:40] <Faust-C> k
[15:43] <Faust-C> brb
[15:44] <dou213> i sure hope that we can make it work with SSL, cuz the main purpose of me setting a FTP-server is to access it from outside my lan
[15:45] <Faust-C> dou213: imo (in my opinion), it would be simpler to use sftp
[15:45] <Faust-C> but thats me, anyways brb
[15:45] <ScottK> +1 for sftp
[15:46] <dou213> Faust-C, maybe you're right, but vsftpd is easier (so i've read, but not convinced :) )
[15:46] <dou213> it can be something wrong with the certificates
[15:46] <dou213> just llok @ the first page
[15:47] <dou213> he creates a new certificate, maybe that's the problem, cuz i've read in some other tutorials that this is not needed
[15:47] <Faust-C> well i would create a new cert
[15:47] <Faust-C> but im odd
[15:48] <Faust-C> dou213: btw did you look at logs?
[15:48] <dou213> i've looked at tcpdump .. but nothing interesting there
[15:48] <Faust-C> brb
[15:48] <dou213> for me
[15:48] <Faust-C> heh no look at logs /var/log/vsftpd
[15:48] <dou213> looking in logs now
[15:52] <dou213> Mon Feb  9 16:50:49 2009 [pid 4436] CONNECT: Client "<IP_ADDRESS>"
[15:52] <dou213> Mon Feb  9 16:50:53 2009 [pid 4435] [alex] OK LOGIN: Client "<IP_ADDRESS>"
[15:53] <dou213> this appears every time when i try to connect from FileZilla
[15:53] <dou213> but it doesn't connect
[15:53] <dou213> i can also paste the messages from FileZilla, maybe that'll help some?
[15:53] <Deeps> maybe tell filezilla to use tls instead of ssl explicit?
[15:54] <Deeps> odds are you should be getting some kind of error in filezilla though taht'll be telling you what's going wrong
[15:55] <dou213> Deeps and Faust-C, i'll paste it on pastebin, too long to do it here w8
[15:57] <dou213> http://pastebin.com/d67007892
[15:57] <dou213> this is the information from FileZilla
[15:57] <dou213> everything works just fine till connection timeout :S
[15:58] <dou213> Deeps, already tried with TLS/SSL, disconnected right away, won't even work for as long as SSL explicit will
[16:00] <Deeps> firewall on the ftp server?
[16:00] <dou213> Deeps, really don't know, probably iptables (common in ubuntu)
[16:01] <Deeps> dou213: do you have a firewall enabled? paste `iptables -nvL` to a bin
[16:01] <dou213> k
[16:02] <dou213> http://pastebin.com/d44990528
[16:03] <dou213> Deeps, i see now maybe fail2ban is causing the prob
[16:03] <dou213> ?
[16:05] <Deeps> nah, it looks ok
[16:05] <Deeps> nothing indicating why it's timing out trying to do dir listing
[16:05] <dou213> so, do i have a fw enabled?
[16:06] <dou213> should i simply try a reinstall?
[16:06] <dou213> like sudo apt-get --purge remove vsftpd   and then install it anew
[16:09] <Deeps> paste your vzsftpd.conf
[16:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #326517 in ubuntu "Ethernet OK but no internet (dup-of: 307204)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326517
[16:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #327233 in samba (main) "package samba 3.0.28a-1ubuntu4.7 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327233
[16:11] <dou213> http://pastebin.com/d973e606
[16:12] <dou213> Deeps, in here is posted my vsftpd.conf: http://pastebin.com/d973e606 ... tell me if there is something fishy about it
[16:14] <Deeps> lines 139-141
[16:14] <Deeps> you dont appear to have a key file defined
[16:16] <dou213> only by commenting line 141 i could make it work without SSL
[16:16] <dou213> so unencrypted
[16:18] <Deeps> gtg, gl, bbl
[16:19] <dou213> :) ok Deeps, thx anyway... catch u later hopefully
[17:43] <chrisadams> hi guys - is it bad practice to restart apache using /etc/init.d/apache2 restart?
[17:44] <Nafallo> chrisadams: kills the active connections for sure.
[17:50] <chrisadams> Nafallo: thought as much
[17:50] <chrisadams> is there a way to run it gracefully from /etc/init.d?
[17:50] <Nafallo> reload
[17:50] <chrisadams> I get this response when i try:
[17:50] <chrisadams> root@machine:/usr/sbin# /usr/sbin/apache2 -k graceful-stop
[17:50] <Nafallo> also called "graceful" ;-)
[17:50] <chrisadams> apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}
[17:51] <Nafallo> invoke-rc.d apache2 reload
[17:51] <chrisadams> that's the graceful way restart the server?
[17:52] <ivoks> hello
[17:54] <chrisadams> Nafallo: thanks, that works a charm
[18:00] <jmedina> any there anyone have problems with tg4 driver in hardy?
[18:03] <jmedina> it is tg3: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5721 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 11)
[18:10] <lamont> MTU:1492 <-- WTF is causing PPPoE to set the MTU down?
[18:14] <ivoks> physics
[18:15] <ivoks> it's never 1500 on pppoe
[18:15] <ivoks> it can't be
[18:16] <ivoks> PPPoE consumes 8 more bytes of data for its own purposes, which leaves us with 1492 of usable space for actual data.
[18:18] <ivoks> ScottK: ping
[18:18] <ScottK> ivoks: Pong.
[18:18] <ivoks> ScottK: hi there
[18:18] <ivoks> ScottK: i'm working on mail stack atm
[18:18] <ivoks> ScottK: and i was wondering...
[18:19] <ivoks> ScottK: what do you think about enalbing managesieve by default in dovecot?
[18:19] <pecisk> hi people, have you encountered situation when you have LVM volume mounted on some temporary directory, umount /tmp/some_dir answers that device is busy, but no lsof nor fuser doesn't show anything running in that file system, there are also no strange processes in ps ax
[18:19] <ivoks> ScottK: and making an effort of moving roundcube into main for jaunty+1 (which would include patch for managing sieve scripts)
[18:19] <pecisk> I can't reboot box because of Xen VMs
[18:20] <ScottK> ivoks: I think I don't know enough to have an opinion.  I think seive is really not for everyone.
[18:20] <ivoks> ScottK: well, if we set dovecot as LDA, then we get sieve 'for free'
[18:20] <ivoks> ScottK: so, we would have sieve, only question is will we enable 'remote' management of scripts
[18:20] <ScottK> Yes, I'm just thinking about it adds complexity to the system.
[18:21] <ScottK> I see.
[18:21] <ivoks> that's true
[18:21] <ivoks> the only problem i see is that none of ubuntu clients supports sieve remote management
[18:21] <ScottK> What does?
[18:21] <ivoks> and roundcube, which does have a patch for it, would support it
[18:21] <ivoks> but roundcube is not in main
[18:22] <ivoks> so we shouldn't consider it at all in this case
[18:22] <ScottK> As I said, I don't have a strong opinion.
[18:23] <ivoks> ok
[18:23] <ivoks> i'll raise that question tomorrow on meeting
[18:23] <ivoks> thanks
[18:25] <jmedina> ivoks: my vote por managesieve in dovecot
[18:25] <ivoks> jmedina: :)
[18:26] <ivoks> how do you manage sieve remotly?
[18:26] <ivoks> with thunderbird?
[18:27] <jmedina> ivoks: Im just starting to use it, I recompiled dovecot from intrepid in hardy to get managesieve support
[18:28] <ivoks> i see
[18:28] <jmedina> btw, I remember about a security bug report about managesieve, something about user can modify other users scripts
[18:28] <ivoks> what mail client do you use?
[18:28] <jmedina> ivoks: kmail
[18:28] <ivoks> well, i'll check security stuff, of course
[18:28] <ivoks> kmail supports managesieve, right?
[18:29] <jmedina> yeap, but I have not tried
[18:29] <kees> bug 307291
[18:29] <ivoks> there's an open bug in evolution for sieve
[18:30] <jmedina> kees: thanks, that is the bug
[18:30] <ivoks> great
[18:30] <ivoks> :)
[18:30] <ivoks> kees: :*
[18:30] <jmedina> dman, this broadcom nic doesnt works with xen's kernel :S
[18:31] <kees> :)  it's been a low priority, but we'll be getting to fixing it.  If any one wants to get patches and do tests, we'd appreciate the help, of course.  :)
[18:31] <ivoks> hm... looks like that's an existing bug in jaunty too
[18:32] <ivoks> i'll have to check that out
[18:32] <jmedina> ivoks: I want to use IMP ingo for server side filtering
[18:32] <ivoks> why?
[18:32] <jmedina> I also read there is a thunderbird plugin for sive and of course kmail
[18:32] <ivoks> if you have kmail, you could do that from it
[18:33] <jmedina> ivoks: I use horde webmail
[18:33] <jmedina> yeap, but I want the webmail feature for customers
[18:33] <ivoks> it's ugly, isn't it? :)
[18:34] <jmedina> I always used maildrop, but I need something to create filters from webmail or another mail client withouth creating scripts manually
[18:36] <ivoks> so you would like to have managesieve in 'default ubuntu mail server stack'?
[18:39] <jmedina> ivoks: yeap, in fact I was testing managesive in dapper :D
[18:39] <ivoks> great
[18:40] <jmedina> I know a nothing about creating deb packages, I had to edit control by hand in order to compile in dapper
[18:40] <jmedina> I was using intrepid packages
[18:43] <ivoks> ok, i'll work on including sieve by default in ubuntu-mail-server package
[18:43] <ivoks> that will not be default in standard dovecot installation
[18:44] <ivoks> only if you install ubuntu-mail-server
[18:44] <kees> okay, I've followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates and my system still isn't doing automatic updates.  anyone have success with this?
[18:46] <ivoks> which one did you do?
[18:46] <ivoks> cron or apt.conf.d?
[18:46] <kees> the first one with apt.conf.d
[18:46] <ivoks> and you installed unattended-upgrades package?
[18:46] <kees> yeah: unattended-upgrades is already the newest version.
[18:47] <lamont> ivoks: if the underlying card supports jumbo frames, there's no reason it can't be 1500 on the ppp interface
[18:47] <ivoks> kees: i've tried that long time ago, and it worked :/
[18:48] <ivoks> kees: like 2 years ago :D
[18:48] <ivoks> lamont: well, i don't understand MTU so much, but if other side doesn't support jumbo frames, then i guess it shouldn't work?
[18:49] <ivoks> so much :)
[18:52] <lamont> ivoks: well, pathMTU discovery _should_ work, but then much of the internet drops ICMP unreachables, so it doesn't
[18:52] <lamont> and not having MTU=1500 sucks
[18:52] <ivoks> :)
[18:54] <ivoks> take care... see you tomorrow
[19:06] <grze_> hi guys, is there anyway to force a --prefix= like behaviour with dpkg?
[19:07] <jmedina> grze_: like --root ?
[19:10] <grze_> jmedina: seems to be the one!
[19:10] <jmedina> good
[19:10] <grze_> jmedina: does this also affect the resolution of dependencies?
[19:10] <jmedina> grze_: afaik, nop
[19:11] <jmedina> but Im not sure, never use it :D
[19:11] <grze_> jmedina: *phew* cool :)
[19:11] <grze_> in that case, fingers crossed
[19:11] <grze_> thanks :)
[19:21] <nonent> i'm getting a stranger error in hardy trying to setup racoon.  racoon does it's modprobes and tries to load   /lib/modules/2.6.24_23_server/kernel/net/ipv6/ipcomp6.ko    which doesn't exist.   the problem is in the path - should be replaced with _, but i can't figure for the life of me why it's doing that.   if i modprobe myself, it works fine
[19:29] <nonent> wow, found it, racoon-tool seems to have a typo in it.   i shall file the bug
[20:29] <AndyGraybeal> i remember someone in here saying something like they were going to write up some Bacula install instructions.  the ones i've found on the web ... are still very confusing to me and i'm having a hard time getting bacula to work
[21:33] <ScottK> I think that was ivoks.
[22:15] <kansan> how do i install the php bindings for the GD graphics library on ubuntu hardy LTS server?
[22:15] <Jeeves__> 'apt-get install php5-gd'?
[22:17] <kansan> ftw!
[22:17] <kansan> is there a way to 'name' certain gnome-terminal instances?  or should i be using screen?
[22:25] <ScottK> As soon as you said Gnome you were asking in the wrong channel.
[22:36] <firestarter87> hi everybody
[22:36] <firestarter87> i have a problem with my ubuntu-server
[22:36] <firestarter87> i can't update my packages
[22:37] <firestarter87> i get a 'w' error (can't connect) but my internet connection is up
[22:37] <jdobrien> kirkland: have a second for a question about screenbin?
[22:37] <firestarter87> my source list seems ok...
[22:38] <kirkland> jdobrien: howdy
[22:38] <jdobrien> hi
[22:38] <ScottK> firestarter87: What's the exact error?
[22:38] <jdobrien> my guests get prompted for a password...but it looks like it's getting their ssh keys
[22:38] <jdobrien> kirkland: ^^
[22:39] <kirkland> jdobrien: which images are you using?
[22:39] <kirkland> jdobrien: thanks for the reminder, i have a bunch of changes to screenbin that I need to upload
[22:39] <jdobrien> kirkland: ami-814aaee8
[22:42] <kirkland> jdobrien: hmm
[22:42] <kirkland> jdobrien: what are the ownership/perms on the .ssh/authorized_keys file?
[22:42] <jdobrien> kirkland: when i created the image, should I have installed anything else? I did install openssh :-)
[22:42] <kirkland> jdobrien: ;-)  shouldn't need to, no
[22:43] <jdobrien> kirkland: one sec
[22:43] <kirkland> jdobrien: can you point me to the URL of the ssh keys?
[22:43] <jdobrien> hmm
[22:43] <kirkland> jdobrien: i've seen some people incorrectly put ssh keys in lauchpad that have whitespace in them
[22:43] <jdobrien> owner only
[22:43] <jdobrien> -rw-r-----
[22:46] <Deeps> should be owner readable only i think
[22:46] <Deeps> chmod 600
[22:47] <kansan> in general ; better to use _ between words or - ?  (for compatibility in linux and in bash etc)
[22:47] <kirkland> jdobrien: yeah, chmod 600 and chown guest:guest
[22:47] <kirkland> kansan: for what in particular?
[22:48] <kansan> kirkland, i just thought one was good/bad
[22:48] <kansan> kirkland, what permissions should /home/user    have
[22:48] <kansan> kirkland, specifically for ssh access
[22:48] <kirkland> kansan: $HOME is usually 755
[22:49] <kirkland> kansan: but some people make it 700
[22:49] <kansan> 755 is what mine is set on right now
[22:49] <kirkland> jcastro: Nafallo: https://edge.launchpad.net/~screen-profiles/+archive/ppa
[22:49] <kirkland> nijaba: ^
[22:50] <Nafallo> ooooh
[22:50] <Nafallo> o_O
[22:50] <jcastro> kirkland: ta!
[22:50] <Nafallo> that's like... killing my manual installs :-D
[22:50] <kirkland> Nafallo: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/screen-profiles
[22:50] <kirkland> Nafallo: get to translating :-)
[22:51] <kirkland> jcastro: you too...  we need some 'troit-speak in there :-)
[22:51] <jdobrien> kirkland: sorry..not working
[22:51] <Nafallo> hehe. we'll see if I can find time during the week :-)
[22:51] <kirkland> jdobrien: who owns that file?
[22:51] <jcastro> kirkland: btw that launch slowness I mentioned was indeed fixed by updating it
[22:51] <kirkland> jcastro: rocktastic ;-)
[22:53] <jdobrien> kirkland: root guest
[22:53] <kirkland> jdobrien: change that to guest:guest
[22:53] <kansan> how do i recursively list all files & directories for top level directory /foo/
[22:53] <kirkland> find .
[22:53] <jdobrien> kirkland: tried, it won't let me :-(
[22:54] <kirkland> jdobrien: well, you need to be root (or ubuntu) to do that
[22:54] <kirkland> jdobrien: that's a bug that i've fixed (and need to upload)
[22:54] <jdobrien> kirkland: :-)
[22:55] <kirkland> jdobrien: i'm really sorry about that
[22:55] <kirkland> jdobrien: you should be able to ssh into that image as root with your key.pem file
[22:55] <jdobrien> kirkland: it's totally fine
[22:56] <gluck> Hi, is there any possibility to enable sound on Ubuntu Server?
[22:57] <dou213> hi everybody, Deeps you there?
[22:58] <jdobrien> kirkland: thanks for the help, i'll work it out later
[22:58] <kirkland> jdobrien: no problem, i'll try to get an update uploaded today/tomorrow
[23:10] <dou213> can somebody help me set up my ftp-server correctly? i am behind my router, trying to connect with FileZilla within the lan on an ubuntu server box, when i connect unencrypted it works just fine, when i do it with SSL it gives me an error: Connection timed out!
[23:10] <dou213> my basic configuration: http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeroathome.de%2Fwordpress%2Fftp-und-webdav-fuer-euren-ubuntu-server%2F&sl=de&tl=en
[23:10] <dou213> just without his shell script
[23:11] <dou213> tried already a lot of things, here is my vsftpd.conf : http://pastebin.com/d973e606
[23:12] <dou213> here is the response i get from FileZilla while trying to SSL: http://pastebin.com/d67007892
[23:12] <dou213> i appreciate any kind of help
[23:20] <gluck> Hi, is there any possibility to enable sound on Ubuntu Server?
[23:28] <lukehasnoname> I'm trying to use "sudo apt-get --install-recommends install ubuntu-virt-server" but it doesn't say it's going to install recommended components
[23:28] <lukehasnoname> any ideas?
[23:29] <jtaji> lukehasnoname: the package has no recommends: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ubuntu-virt-server
[23:30] <jtaji> and even if it or a dependent package did, it doesn't specifically tell you what it's going to install is because of recommends
[23:30] <lukehasnoname> Ah hell
[23:30] <jtaji> also starting with intrepid, recommends are installed by default
[23:31] <lukehasnoname> the package site shows no suggested packages, but apt-get shows several
[23:32] <jtaji> how's that?
[23:35] <lukehasnoname> unless one of its packages has suggested packages that are being pulled in
[23:35] <jtaji> it will do that


[00:00] <SpamapS> slangasek: can't we just give people a 'forget pid' command if we can't give them the "right" solution for that bug?
[00:02] <benzittlau> SpamapS: thanks, I'll give those workarounds a shot
[00:19] <slangasek> SpamapS: well, in theory that bug should also be fixed when I fix bug #530779, which is inprogress-ish
[00:34] <SpamapS> slangasek: thats quite encouraging to hear
[00:34]  * SpamapS disappears for the day


[11:36] <ian_brasil_> mal elemento
[11:36] <ian_brasil_> tu eh muito doido
[11:36] <ian_brasil_> como o carol vai abrir um .tar.gz tu mal elemento
[11:37] <ian_brasil_> tem que ser um .zip
[11:47] <playya> ok ...
[14:14] <\sh> moins :)
[14:15] <\sh> could someone check http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19592509/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-lpia.open-cobol_1.0-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz why this FTBFS but not on i386? :)
[14:49] <lairsdragon> HI I am using the Ubuntu MID Desktop on a Via Board for a CarPC (i386 Architecture) but some components forces the  xserverto  restart
[14:50] <lairsdragon> for example if I start the  Battery Power applet or if I start the screen resolution changer
[18:14] <persia> lairsdragon: that's unfortunately because hildon-desktop doesn't trap segfaults, so if anything crashes, it kills hildon-desktop, and when hildon-desktop exists, the X session exists (as it's just hildon-desktop keeping it open), and then restarts.
[18:15] <persia> Dunno why that happens for the specific programs you mention : please file a bug against each of them.
[21:42] <davidm_> ogra, you about?
[21:43] <ogra> with half an eye
[21:43] <davidm> Ah thanks, I've lost 1/2 of my Internet, must be some routing problem, I can't reach email and my phones are all dead
[21:43] <davidm> but I can reach here.
[21:44] <davidm> and kernel.org
[21:44] <davidm> so I'm at least part way up.
[21:44] <ogra> i have a massive lag on the canonical server
[21:44] <ogra> s/have/had/
[21:45] <davidm> There are a lot of web sites I can't reach
[21:45] <davidm> lwn.net, http://linuxdevices.com/ all time out
[21:45] <davidm> very odd
[21:45] <ogra> i get linuxdevices
[21:46] <ogra> lwn fine as well
[21:46] <ogra> davidm, if you get through again http://lwn.net/Articles/306691/
[21:46] <davidm> OK now phones are back as is lwn and the rest
[21:47] <ogra> i met jake all the time in the smokers corner, he's a cool guy


[12:11] <LaserJock> ryanakca: looks good, I'm going to build in pbuilder, etc.
[12:20] <lfittl> LaserJock: do you have some time to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2931 after you are finished with this one? :)
[12:21] <LaserJock> oh jeeze
[12:22] <lfittl> heh
[12:24] <LaserJock> I'll try guys
[12:24] <LaserJock> but I'm pretty slow at reviewing
[12:24] <ryanakca> LaserJock: kk, ty
[12:25] <lfittl> take your time, I just want to get this uploaded before the next TB, want to apply for universe upload rights / MOTU, and could need another maintained package ;)
[12:41] <bddebian> Heya gang
[12:43] <lfittl> hi bddebian (bah, I thought I was in -motu, but it was -bugs ;))
[12:44] <ryanakca> lol
[12:44] <lfittl> bddebian: why do you always have to greet in all channels? :D
[12:44] <bddebian> It's my job :-)
[12:45] <lfittl> hehe
[12:45] <ryanakca> lol
[12:45] <LaserJock> it's the only thing he is good at ;-)
[12:45] <bddebian> Oh man, you beat me to it.. :'-(
[12:45] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:45] <LaserJock> I know you too well
[12:46] <lfittl> bddebian: mind giving a +1 on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2931, as it really seems to be correct, and linda is just buggy
[12:46] <lfittl> bddebian: you are also good for reviewing ;)
[12:47] <crimsun> please don't ship the libtool archive.
[12:47] <crimsun> ibgrapple-0.9/debian/libgrapple-dev.install
[12:47] <bddebian> lfittl: Sure.  I gotta check out eqonomize for ryanakca quick
[12:47] <lfittl> crimsun: should I create a pkgconfig file instead?
[12:47] <lfittl> bddebian: sure
[12:47] <crimsun> that would work, sure.
[12:49] <LaserJock> ryanakca: I don't get this link: ./usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/eqonomize/common -> ../common
[12:49] <ryanakca> ermmm.... where's that?
[12:51] <ryanakca> because I don't get it either
[12:51] <LaserJock> in the .deb
[12:52] <ryanakca> how did you display it?
[12:52] <LaserJock> dpkg -c eqonomize_0.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[12:52] <ryanakca> grep -rin /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/eqonomize/common *          in the source dir doesn't should anything
[12:53] <ryanakca> s/should/show
[12:55] <ryanakca> hmmm... weird... any clue as to fixing it?
[12:57] <lfittl> crimsun: I just noticed again, only -lgrapple is needed, is a pkg-config still a good thing to have in this case?
[12:58] <lfittl> s/pkg-config/.pc\ file/
[12:58] <crimsun> does it have really odd header paths or options?
[12:58] <ryanakca> LaserJock: found the part of the pbuilder output that does that... just can't figure out why or from where that came from
[12:59] <lfittl> crimsun: no, nothing
[12:59] <crimsun> lfittl: I would say then that it's not absolutely necessary but a very nice thing to include.
[01:00] <lfittl> crimsun: k, I saw that some .pc files also add -L, even if the lib is in /usr/lib, is there any reason to do this?
[01:01] <crimsun> I don't see any, no
[01:02] <crimsun> lfittl: apologies, your package is fine.
[01:02] <crimsun> lfittl: I'm a bit overzealous in pruning .las
[01:03] <crimsun> (just reread Junichi's guide to double-check)
[01:03] <lfittl> crimsun: :)
[01:03] <lfittl> whats the url for his guide?
[01:04] <crimsun> lfittl: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html
[01:04] <lfittl> ah, didn't know there was stuff about .la in there
[01:05] <crimsun> I only checked to see if there was a note mandating their removal, since I know kde -dev packages ship them. Only X.Org packages so far don't.
[01:05] <lfittl> crimsun: will create a patch and send it upstream, and stick with the .la for this version
[01:06] <bddebian> ryanakca: There are some ln going on in configure
[01:07] <crimsun> lfittl: sounds great, I'll +1 it
[01:07] <lfittl> crimsun: thanks for reviewing :)
[01:08] <lfittl> crimsun: do you have time to come to the next TB meeting, could need as many supporters as possible
[01:08] <crimsun> I will attempt to
[01:09] <lfittl> thanks
[01:09] <crimsun> TB meetings always seem to coincide with a sponsor or faculty meeting
[01:11] <ryanakca> bddebian: mind pointing me to the line?
[01:11] <ryanakca> nevermind, I'll grep it :)
[01:14] <bddebian> Hmm, what would be the best way to find out how/where keyboard bindings are being done in crack-attack?  Run it in gdb?
[01:16] <lfittl> bddebian: what exactly are you trying to debug?
[01:16] <bddebian> lfittl: Bug #30747
[01:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30747 in crack-attack "Menu screen has double entries for ALT-Q accelerator" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30747
[01:17] <ryanakca> LaserJock: hmmm... and no chance of just leaving it in?
[01:17] <lfittl> bddebian: how about searching for it in the sourcecode?
[01:17] <bddebian> lfittl: I am but how do I know what to search for?
[01:17] <lfittl> bddebian: gdb won't help, at least I can't imagine how
[01:18] <bddebian> lfittl: I was thinking gdb just to see what point in the code I'm in
[01:18] <lfittl> hmm
[01:20] <LaserJock> ryanakca: well, check and see if it messes anything up
[01:29] <lfittl> bddebian: hmm, do you know gtk well enough for knowing which function creates the binding?
[01:30] <lfittl> as in, which gtk.. function is used for that
[01:30] <bddebian> lfittl: I don't know anything, haven't you figured that out yet? :-)
[01:30] <lfittl> bddebian: I have, I just don't want to realize it ;-)
[01:31] <[Utah] tristanbob> LaserJock: I think I may have found a shortcut to creating packages for Perl modules
[01:31] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:31] <[Utah] tristanbob> dh-make-perl --build --cpan Net::SSH:Perl
[01:32] <lfittl> bddebian: found it :)
[01:32] <lfittl> crack-attack-fe-ng-00.glade, line 602
[01:33] <bddebian> I wondered if glad wasn't doing it
[01:33] <bddebian> Err glade even
[01:34] <[Utah] tristanbob> "dh-make-perl will create the files required to build a debian source package out of a perl package. This works for most simple packages and is also useful for getting started with packaging perl modules. Given a perl package name, it can also automatically download it from CPAN."
[01:37] <[Utah] tristanbob> LaserJock: I will test this method of creating the package.  Then I can modify it to meet the requirements to add to the debian and Ubuntu repos
[01:47] <lfittl> bddebian: while I try my fix, could you give your +1 on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2931 ? =)
[01:51] <lfittl> hmm fix doesnt work :/
[01:55] <lfittl> crimsun: could you give your advocate also on REVU?
[02:00] <lfittl> bddebian: that's weird, the glade file is the only place where the accelerator is defined, but changing it doesn't do anything
[02:01] <bddebian> lfittl: Have you done a new upload?
[02:02] <lfittl> bddebian: you mean on REVU? no, but the problem linda points out doesn't exist, so the package should be fine
[02:03] <bddebian> lfittl: Ah, OK
[02:06] <lfittl> bddebian: sry, you were right, the bug was in the source, not in the glade file, src/gtk-gui/interface.cxx line 322
[02:07] <bddebian> gdkkeysyms stuff?
[02:08] <lfittl> no, lblQuality = gtk_label_new_with_mnemonic ("Q_uality:");, it's important where the _ is placed
[02:08] <bddebian> Ah, nice
[02:08] <crimsun> yes, that should probably be _Quality
[02:08] <crimsun> err
[02:08] <lfittl> no, that was the old value ;)
[02:08] <crimsun> _("Quality:")
[02:08] <bddebian> crimsun: No, there is already a Q for quit
[02:09] <crimsun> oh, now translations, nevermind
[02:09] <lfittl> crimsun: its about gtk accelerators, not gettext ;)
[02:09] <crimsun> s/now/not/
[02:09] <bddebian> Nah, menu options :-)
[02:09] <lfittl> :)
[02:11] <lfittl> crimsun: as said before, could you advocate libgrapple on REVU, and also upload if possible?
[02:11] <bddebian> lfittl: You gonna upload that fix?
[02:12] <lfittl> bddebian: how about me attaching a debdiff to the bug, and the changelog mentions "Fixed keybindings, together with Barry deFreese", and you upload it? :)
[02:13] <bddebian> lfittl: Sure but you don't need to mention me, I didn't do anything
[02:14] <lfittl> bddebian: I am sure you invested some time into trying to fix it, so why not mention it somehow ;)
[02:16] <lfittl> bddebian: but thats your decision, it isn't imporant to me who it is attributed to, just thought you did the initial work, so it wouldn't be fair to not mention you
[02:16] <lfittl> s/imporant/important/
[02:16] <crimsun> advocated. Not at a place where I can upload.
[02:16] <lfittl> thanks :)
[02:17] <lfittl> bddebian: are you at a place where you can upload?
[02:26] <bddebian> Yep
[02:27] <bddebian> Gotta get my kids dressed then I'll hit libgrapple and crack attack
[02:40] <lfittl> bddebian: fix is at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/crack-attack/+bug/30747, tell me when you are done with both uploads
[02:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30747 in crack-attack "Menu screen has double entries for ALT-Q accelerator" [Medium,In progress]
[02:48] <Shadowpillar> is it too late to suggest a package for the next release of ubuntu?
[02:48] <Shadowpillar> or does universe still accept packages for dapper?
[02:49] <Shadowpillar> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stud.fit.vutbr.cz%2F~xhorak28%2Findex.php%3Fpage%3DWizardPen_Driver&ei=M5rvRPvxEJe6YPrhkLQD&sig2=vazSPntxAYT7DqOGpk6eng
[02:49] <Shadowpillar> er
[02:49] <Shadowpillar> damnit
[02:49] <Shadowpillar> http://www.stud.fit.vutbr.cz/~xhorak28/index.php?page=WizardPen_Driver
[02:50] <ryanakca> crimsun: LaserJock pointed out a "lrwxrwxrwx root/root         0 2006-08-25 17:34 ./usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/eqonomize/common -> ../common" from  dpkg -c ~/pbuilder/edgy/result/eqonomize_0.3*deb ... I can't figure out where it comes from, or even why it exists, but I do know that it doesn't hinder help:/eqonomize in any way.. can motu still let it into universe, or do I need to hunt it down?
[02:50] <Shadowpillar> it's an X11 driver for a tablet
[02:51] <gnomefreak> Shadowpillar: does it build ok?
[02:52] <Shadowpillar> yeah
[02:52] <Shadowpillar> works good too
[02:52] <Shadowpillar> I wish I knew how to make deb packages correctly
[02:52] <gnomefreak> Shadowpillar: did you compile it or build it?
[02:52] <Shadowpillar> compile
[02:52] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:53] <Shadowpillar> I can vouch for it working well though
[02:53] <Shadowpillar> used it on my breezy system
[02:53] <gnomefreak> Shadowpillar: you compiled it on edgy yet?
[02:54] <Shadowpillar> I'm on dapper atm
[02:54] <Shadowpillar> I was asking if it's still possible to suggest a package to be included/built for edgy
[02:55] <gnomefreak> Shadowpillar: afaik it is until sept. 5th ish
[02:55] <lfittl> bddebian: should get some sleep (again), thanks for all your work, if you could do the uploads in the next hours it would be great :)
[02:55] <Shadowpillar> where can I request?
[02:55] <lfittl> gn8 everybody
[02:55] <gnomefreak> but doesnt mean it will be added. one of the guys or you will have to package it for edgy to make sure it all works.
[02:55] <gnomefreak> nite lfittl
[02:56] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: what do you think better to ask someone or file a request on LP for a package request
[02:57] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: well, it's allready all nice and pretty, all I need to do is get rid of that link or leave it in and a wonderfull motu can upload it :)
[02:57] <ryanakca> its a link that points to it's self
[02:57] <gnomefreak> oh
[02:58] <Shadowpillar> gnomefreak: can stuff still be added to dapper universe?
[02:58] <gnomefreak> Shadowpillar: no
[02:58] <ryanakca> actually no, it isn't
[02:58] <gnomefreak> backports only and very very careful on what they let through
[02:59] <ryanakca> I figured it out... it makes sense
[02:59] <gnomefreak> Shadowpillar: once stable you try not to add new things
[02:59] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: you a motu?
[02:59] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: nope ;)
[02:59] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: been through these questions
[02:59] <bddebian> ryanakca: Figure out your problem?
[03:00] <ryanakca> bddebian: yes, it's a normal link, which can basicly be translated to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/eqonomize/common -> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common
[03:00] <gnomefreak> Shadowpillar: i would either ask again if noone can answer you tonight or file a bug on it as a request.
[03:01] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: we have? hmm... memory loss :)
[03:01] <Shadowpillar> where can I file a bug?
[03:01] <gnomefreak> :) it happens
[03:01] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: if you learn packaging, go for cdbs... and don't listen to people who call it evil...
[03:01] <ryanakca> Shadowpillar: launchpad... https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[03:03] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: well... the ubuntu packaging guide is pretty good... and cdbs is the simplest one... and easiest to use.... takes about an afternoon to read it all and follow the examples, and then 2-3 packages practice.. and then eons to perfect...
[03:05] <bddebian> ryanakca: Don't we all :-)
[03:06] <ryanakca> lol, yep :)
[03:06] <gnomefreak> i will get to it this weekend ty
[03:06] <gnomefreak> :)
[03:07] <ryanakca> hmm... k/ubuntu isn't in the FLOSS Impact productivity questionnaire
[03:08] <ryanakca> wonder why... because we have "restricted"? probably because the list is allready 80 projects long
[03:08] <gnomefreak> night all
[03:09] <ryanakca> see yah
[03:10] <bddebian> Gnight gnomefreak
[03:30] <bddebian> LaserJock: !!
[03:30] <bddebian> Great timing
[03:31] <LaserJock> oh?
[03:31] <bddebian> LaserJock: Whatever happened with gnome-chemistry-utils?
[03:31] <LaserJock> ah, well
[03:31] <LaserJock> yah know
[03:32] <LaserJock> :-)
[03:32] <bddebian> LaserJock: No, no, not accusing just asking.  It seems to have disappeared from Debian altogether
[03:33] <LaserJock> it wasn't ever in Debian proper
[03:33] <bddebian> Oh, really?
[03:33] <bddebian> Hmm
[03:34] <LaserJock> there is a guy who maintains his own repo
[03:35] <LaserJock> hang on, I'll brb. going to reboot into Ubuntu
[03:43] <LaserJock> ok, this is a bit better
[03:44] <bddebian> :-)
[03:44] <bddebian> LaserJock: You weren't talking about the wgdd.de guy were you?
[03:44] <LaserJock> I think so
[03:44] <LaserJock> that sounds familiar
[03:45] <LaserJock> Daniel something
[03:45] <bddebian> They aren't on his site that I can find
[03:45] <LaserJock> it's called something different (isn't that great) I think gcu
[03:45] <bddebian> Daniel Leidart
[03:45] <bddebian> Ohhh
[03:45] <bddebian> I see he has bkchem there :-)
[03:47] <bddebian> Hmm his gcu is still 0.4.8 too :-(
[03:51] <LaserJock> yes
[03:51] <ryanakca> LaserJock: you had me searching for nothing :)
[03:51] <LaserJock> ryanakca: did I? sorry :-)
[03:51] <ryanakca>  /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/eqonomize/common -> ../common = /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common
[03:52] <LaserJock> ok
[03:52] <LaserJock> so should it do that?
[03:52] <ryanakca> mind advocating it? or anything else I should work on in the morning
[03:52] <ryanakca> yep
[03:53] <ryanakca> they all point to it... it's the headers and stuff like that for kde help...
[03:54] <ryanakca>  /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/*/ all have a link in them to ../common
[03:55] <ryanakca> bed, see yah
[03:55] <LaserJock> ryanakca: yeah, I'd ack it
[03:56] <ryanakca> ack it?
[03:56] <LaserJock> advocate
[03:56] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[03:56] <ryanakca> bye :)
[03:56] <LaserJock> cya
[03:58] <LaserJock> that is I'll ack it as soon as I figure out how to use this thing
[03:58] <bddebian> heh
[03:59] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm going to have to join #kubuntu
[03:59] <bddebian> Why?
[04:00] <LaserJock> I can't figure out how to use things
[04:00] <LaserJock> my kde foo is quite weak ;-)
[04:00] <LaserJock> fu
[04:08] <bddebian> What are you trying to do
[04:08] <bddebian> ?
[04:10] <LaserJock> oh
[04:10] <LaserJock> heh
[04:10] <LaserJock> copy
[04:10] <LaserJock> ;-)
[04:22] <Kyral> ....
[04:22] <Kyral> You didn't know how to copy something in KDE?
[04:22] <Kyral> .....its no different than any other WM!
[04:22] <LaserJock> no
[04:23] <LaserJock> there is no keyboard shortcut
[04:23] <LaserJock> in Konsole
[04:23] <LaserJock> for copy
[04:23] <LaserJock> they have one for paste though, which is odd that you would have one but not the other
[04:23] <Kyral> CTRL+C
[04:23] <Kyral> its a general shortcut
[04:24] <Kyral> thats odd..its set as a general shortcut in the main Shortcuts menu....
[04:24] <LaserJock> it doesn't work in console
[04:25] <LaserJock> and paste is Shift-Insert
[04:25] <Kyral> I just use middle click anyway
[04:25] <LaserJock> gnome-terminal is the same way
[04:25] <LaserJock> ctr-shift-{c,v}
[04:25] <LaserJock> I don't have very good middle clickers on any of my mice
[04:25] <Kyral> ah
[04:26] <LaserJock> hi Kyral, btw
[04:26] <Kyral> Busting my ass all day moving freshmen in
[04:26] <bddebian> Ack, the newer gnome-chemical-utils needs chemical-mime-data
[04:26] <Kyral> farking hualling fridges up stairs
[04:26] <Kyral> huh LJ?
[04:27] <LaserJock> what?
[04:28] <Kyral> oh I didn't see the hi lol
[04:29] <Kyral> I thought you were gonna ask me something for some reason
[04:30] <LaserJock> oh
[04:31] <Kyral> cat /dev/null > /dev/kyral
[04:39] <bddebian> Damn I hate not knowing what to work on
[04:48] <LaserJock> bddebian: do you want a project?
[04:49] <LaserJock> one that will make you a hero? ;-)
[04:49] <bddebian> Whatcha need?
[04:50] <LaserJock> fix bug 43150
[04:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43150 in wxmaxima "wxmaxima fails with error, can't connect to maxima" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43150
[04:52] <bddebian> Hmm, I was just looking at that list
[04:56] <bddebian> Ack, maxima is a pig :-)
[04:58] <LaserJock> yep
[04:58] <LaserJock> I tried to just recompile it and that didn't fix it
[05:01] <bddebian> LaserJock: Is maxima the issue or wxmaxima?
[05:01] <LaserJock> honestly I don't know
[05:05] <bddebian> LaserJock: Do you know if it's still an issue in Edgy?
[05:06] <LaserJock> yes, it is I believe
[05:06] <LaserJock> it's got a slightly different manifestation (I don't think it gives you an error, it just doesn't do anything)
[05:07] <bddebian> Nice
[05:18] <bddebian> As usual, gdb is less than helpful
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> bddebian:  ddd is friendly enough, insight is fucked and refuses to step through LINES of source code.
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> gdb is less than helpful even in cases where a debugger is exactly what you need :/
[05:30] <StevenK> gdb is helpful, it's just hard to drive.
[05:30] <bddebian> Well not on stripped binaries :-)
[05:31] <StevenK> Hah
[05:31] <StevenK> Of course not.
[05:33] <bluefoxicy> ah
[05:33] <bluefoxicy> lol no, not really :)
[05:33] <bluefoxicy> bddebian:  objdump -d
[05:34] <bluefoxicy> At any rate I am going to sleep.  I leave you with this note:
[05:34] <bluefoxicy> CompTIA is awesome; when you get a Security+ certification they send you a card to slip in your wallet so you can be ID'd as a Certified Security Professional on the scene of a shooting or accident or whatnot.
[06:25] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:25] <FliesLikeABrick> nn
[06:34] <Hobbsee> * The pyromaniac waves hello
[06:36] <LaserJock> Hobbsee!!!
[06:37] <Hobbsee> LaserJock!
[06:41] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Heh
[06:42] <Quinn_Storm> hehe
[06:42] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I can see where Keybuk and Kamion are coming from - some people have sync'd from Debian and dumped some changes. Due to those people, the rest of you have to convince us.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> StevenK: true that.
[06:43] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i'll use my big pointy stick of DOOM for that!
[06:43] <StevenK> Heh
[06:44] <Hobbsee> which is even better when it's got FIRE at the end of it :D
[06:44] <StevenK> Hobbsee: The two open sync requests I have were fixed easily to conform, which I was grateful for.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> StevenK: true that.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, that's only for debian syncs...  hmmm
[06:45] <StevenK> Oh geez, which poor bastard adopted spe.
[06:46] <StevenK> It should be -0.2, you bozo!
[06:46] <Fujitsu> What is it actually?
[06:46] <StevenK> spe? A Python editor
[06:46] <Fujitsu> I mean the version.
[06:47] <StevenK> Oh. 0.8.2a+repack-0.1 is my upload, and Matej uploaded 0.8.2a+repack-1
[06:48] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> StevenK: presumably they're not the maintainer?
[06:49] <LaserJock> "i'll use my big pointy stick of DOOM for that!"
[06:49] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: whatever for?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:49] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: that's MY line!
[06:49] <LaserJock> I'm always a bit nervous every time I upload
[06:49] <Hobbsee> why so?
[06:50] <LaserJock> what if I make a mistake? and they Hobbsee will get out her big stick
[06:50] <Hobbsee> oh, StevenK, that reminds me.  you need to sign my key.
[06:50] <LaserJock> s/they/then/
[06:50] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: hah.  more like keybuk will yell at you
[06:50] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Matej is a QA type person.
[06:51] <Hobbsee> last i knew, i wasnt an archive person
[06:51] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I just stay in Universe where nobody will notice ;-)
[06:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:52] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: point.  they seem to notice anyway though.  lurking doesnt work.  i tried that.
[06:53] <LaserJock> darn
[06:53] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: well if you're going to lurk, never do it on any of the -dev or -motu channels.
[06:54] <Hobbsee> which is just no fun at all, really.
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Lurking in -dev shouldn't be a problem, as it doesn't exist :P
[07:03] <Hobbsee> muhahahaha
[07:03] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: :P
[07:03] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: it refers to multiple places
[07:03] <Fujitsu> Ooh dear.
[07:04] <Fujitsu> What did you do to it?
[07:04] <Hobbsee> "hello mrs hobbs (!), i'm here from the encology..."  "no thankyou, we're not interested in telemarketers, goodbye" *hangs up*
[07:05] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[07:06] <LaserJock> I just don't answer the phone
[07:07] <Hobbsee> i wasnt going to
[07:08] <Hobbsee> it was showing as "out of area", which i know dad sometimes ends up calling from
[07:08] <Hobbsee> and dad's calls sometimes takes a while to connect too, so...
[07:09] <LaserJock> bummer
[07:10] <LaserJock> it's so much easier than shell scripting
[07:16] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[07:20] <LaserJock> of course that could be just because I don't know how to write a decent shell script
[07:20] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:47] <Hobbsee> ...
[07:47] <Hobbsee> do we have to do that, or only for new ones?
[07:48] <crimsun> I want to be thorough, so I made the new sync policy retroactive for all my outstanding sync requests.
[07:48] <Hobbsee> true that
[08:01] <LaserJock> new sync policy?
[08:01] <tseng> yeah, what?
[08:02] <LaserJock> when did we get a new policy?
[08:03] <Fujitsu> Yes, a couple of days back.
[08:03] <Fujitsu> Keybuk announced it on -devel-announce.
[08:04] <LaserJock> hmpf
[08:05] <LaserJock> interesting
[08:06] <LaserJock> more work for us in exchange for getting syncs faster
[08:06] <crimsun> fair tradeoff.
[08:07] <tseng> link?
[08:07] <tseng> or subject
[08:07] <tseng> im too dumb, or tired, to see it
[08:07] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000181.html
[08:07] <LaserJock> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000181.html
[08:07] <tseng> yay
[10:38] <Hobbsee> hey all
[10:53] <micahcowan> If I submit a .debdiff that "becomes" the next package version (that is, my name is at the top of the changelog), I become the package's "creator"?
[11:08] <AnAnt> I have a problem packaging a library (fsplib), it installs in debian/tmp/usr/{lib,include}. So I made fsplib0.install file which contains: usr/lib/* , and fsplib-dev.install file which contains: usr/include/*
[11:08] <AnAnt> yet, the resulting packages don't have anything in the lib & include dirs ! anyone knows what may cause that ?
[11:09] <Fujitsu> The extra tmp/ in the path?
[11:12] <AnAnt> Fujitsu: well, isn't that the default that the package is installed in debian/tmp/, by default DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp
[11:17] <AnAnt> ajmitch: could you remove an incomplete upload for elinks
[11:22] <AnAnt> siretart: could you remove an incomplete upload for elinks
[11:23] <siretart> AnAnt: done
[11:24] <AnAnt> siretart: thanks
[11:24] <AnAnt> anyone knows where I can get help regarding packaging libraries ?
[11:46] <shawarma> Hm... When a package is said to be published, what is missing before it is actually availabe in the archive?
[11:48] <shawarma> It says on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/rawstudio that the package is published, but it's not apt-getable nor on packages.ubuntu.com (which is probably the same thing).
[11:51] <Fujitsu> It's only been 13 hours, shawarma, and a large delay can be expected.
[11:53] <Fujitsu> It's still in the New queue.
[11:54] <shawarma> Fujitsu: No, it's not.
[11:54] <Fujitsu> The binaries are.
[11:55] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Oh!
[11:55] <Fujitsu> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=rawstudio
[11:55] <Fujitsu> If you look for a source package, you can probably see it.
[11:55] <shawarma> Right, I forgot that the binaries end up in a NEW queue as well.
[11:56] <shawarma> hmm... Check out https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=rawstudio
[11:56] <shawarma> It looks as though translations are architecture specific.. That can't be right.
[11:57] <Fujitsu> No, I think it just means that the package has translations.
[11:57] <Fujitsu> Although I have no experience with Soyuz.
[11:57] <shawarma> rawstudio_0.3-0ubuntu1_powerpc_translations.tar.gz sure does look arch specific. :-)
[11:57] <Fujitsu> I do like the translation icon.
[11:57] <shawarma> brb
[11:57] <Fujitsu> Hrm.
[11:58] <Fujitsu> SO it does.
[11:59] <Fujitsu> Although if you look at other binary packages in NEW, they also have the translations like that.
[12:35] <Arbiter> Can someone review these packages, please? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2955 (ktagebuch) -- http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2953 (knowit) -- http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2952 (kcmpureftpd). Thanks
[03:32] <POX_> hi, I have created some packages for Debian and they were copied to Ubuntu Edgy (universe). What should I do to keep them up to date in Ubuntu? They were automatically synchronized at least till 12. july. Should I upload them (they're building fine in edgy's chroot) to revu.tauware.de?
[03:37] <geser> which package is it?
[03:37] <POX_> https://launchpad.net/people/pox/+packages
[03:37] <POX_> griffith, paste*, ...
[03:52] <imbrandon> POX_: you have newer version avaible ?>
[03:52] <POX_> yes, they already in Debian
[03:52] <POX_> + are
[03:52] <imbrandon> unstable ? if so we can just sync them
[03:53] <imbrandon> if changes are nessesary for the ubuntu ones
[03:53] <POX_> some even in testing
[03:53] <imbrandon> i can sponsor them
[03:53] <POX_> can I just list package names, or do you want links to sources?
[03:54] <imbrandon> ok to make my life a bit easier can you give me a list of the ones that have newer versions in debain and i'll get them either merged or synced today
[03:54] <imbrandon> nah package names is fine
[03:54] <imbrandon> or you can shoot me a email with links to dsc files
[03:54] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:54] <imbrandon> what ever you wish
[03:55] <imbrandon> ( email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you go that route )
[03:57] <POX_> imbrandon: thanks, I will send you mail in couple of minutes
[03:57] <imbrandon> sure thing
[03:58] <POX_> well if you want just names, here they are: griffith, paste, pastedeploy, pastescript
[03:58] <POX_> (source packages)
[03:58] <tseng> azeem: stupid trolls.
[03:58] <imbrandon> POX_: ok that works , no need for a email then
[03:58] <POX_> imbrandon: and  routes
[03:58] <imbrandon> moins tseng
[03:58] <tseng> hi imbrandon
[03:59] <imbrandon> you know untill burgers blog i never knew you were and old gentoo guy
[03:59] <tseng> yes, some years ago
[03:59] <imbrandon> ok POX_ i'll get on that as soon as this compile finishes ( ~20 minutes )
[03:59] <POX_> ok, no problem
[03:59] <tseng> it was the fastest way to gnome crack of the day before ubuntu came along
[03:59] <imbrandon> POX_: for future ref your more than welcome to email me with dsc links i can dget
[04:00] <imbrandon> or pop in here
[04:00] <POX_> ok thanks
[04:00] <imbrandon> tseng: ahh  thats how i came to be with kubuntu ( fastest way for kde crack in a packaged distro heh )
[04:00] <tseng> imbrandon: :)
[04:01] <imbrandon> before this is was a SuSE man but suse/rpm is too much of a pita
[04:01] <tseng> ugh
[04:01] <imbrandon> for me personaly anyhow some swear by it
[04:01] <tseng> never could stomach suse
[04:02] <imbrandon> well they always have had the latest kde crack i give them that, but any rpm distro is to much of a pita IMHO
[04:02] <imbrandon> but thats just me personaly
[04:02] <BazziR> rpms make baby jesus cry :(
[04:02] <imbrandon> heh
[04:31] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:32] <Arbiter> hi bddebian
[04:32] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey bddebian :)
[04:32] <bddebian> Hi Arbiter, imbrandon
[04:32] <bddebian> & Kamping_Kaiser :-)
[04:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[04:33] <Arbiter> ;)
[04:46] <gnomefreak> there is no ubuntu packaging guide right? we use the debian one?
[04:46] <imbrandon> !packguide
[04:46] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[04:46] <azeem> gnomefreak: there is one AFAIK
[04:47] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: ^^ there ya go
[04:47] <gnomefreak> ty
[04:49] <welshbyte> good afternoon
[04:49] <bddebian> Heya welshbyte
[04:49] <welshbyte> ello bddebian
[04:59] <gnomefreak> for pbuilder do i just grab the debootstrap.deb from packages.ubuntu.com and than run the pbuilder set up?
[05:15] <gnomefreak> yay pbuilder is building :)
[05:16] <imbrandon> now put a dapper/edgy/sid pbuilder on the same box
[05:16] <imbrandon> thats fun ( actualy its easy once you have one )
[05:16] <gnomefreak> i should be setting pbuilder up for all of those?
[05:17] <imbrandon>  hmmm hmm hmmm  lunch time
[05:17] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: wel if you will be building for those yes
[05:17] <imbrandon> those are the most common used atm
[05:18] <gnomefreak> ah ok im gonna start with edgy and see how it goes first i think ;)
[05:18] <imbrandon> ok lunch time bbiab  humms some more
[05:35] <gnomefreak> this is taking its time brb smoke
[06:28] <gnomefreak> how do you make a changelog file? is it just mkdir changelog?
[06:29] <azeem> mkdir?
[06:29] <gnomefreak> the naming is what im concerned about more than anything
[06:29] <azeem> are you talking about the debian/changelog file?
[06:29] <gnomefreak> yes
[06:30] <azeem> what naming are you referring to?
[06:30] <gnomefreak> the name of the file
[06:30] <gnomefreak> just changelog?
[06:30] <gnomefreak> i have to save it as something in the dir im in
[06:30] <POX_> gnomefreak: man dch
[06:30] <azeem> debian/changelog is debian/changelog, yes
[06:31] <gnomefreak> k
[06:47] <gnomefreak> there is something im not seeing when i go to use dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot its telling me error: badly formatted heading line, at changelog line 1
[06:47] <gnomefreak> dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is
[06:48] <gnomefreak> first line of changelog is Source: hello
[06:48] <POX_> gnomefreak: changelog or _control_ file?
[06:49] <gnomefreak> changelog its telling me
[06:49] <gnomefreak> i copied nad pasted the error
[06:49] <POX_> "Source: hello" should be in debian/control
[06:49] <POX_> ah
[06:50] <POX_> what do you have in changelog
[06:50] <POX_> package name?
[06:50] <POX_> did you change control file as well?
[06:50] <gnomefreak> package: hello
[06:50] <azeem> gnomefreak: paste the content of debian/changelog to a pastebin
[06:50] <gnomefreak> ok
[06:51] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21707
[06:52] <azeem> that's a control file, not a changelog file
[06:52] <azeem> gnomefreak: see a random source package for how debian/changelog should be formatted
[06:52] <gnomefreak> could be a good reason :(
[07:02] <gnomefreak> ok heres the real changelog now its giving me error in line 5 (name and date line) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21708
[07:03] <azeem> there's at least a space missing at the beginning of the lind
[07:03] <azeem> line
[07:03] <gnomefreak> k
[07:04] <azeem> gnomefreak: try to run dch -i
[07:04] <azeem> that should give you a new changelog entry
[07:04] <azeem> then use the generated date line for your original one and delete the rest
[07:04] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[07:20] <cypher1> totem-gstreamer packages seems to have some problems
[07:20] <cypher1> totem-gstreamer available is 1.4.3
[07:20] <cypher1> while totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin depends on 1.4.1
[07:20] <cypher1>   totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin: Depends: totem-gstreamer (= 1.4.1-0ubuntu4) but 1.4.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[07:20] <cypher1> E: Broken packages
[07:20] <cypher1> should i file a Bug report for this ??
[07:21] <gnomefreak> i would but i thought the ff plugin was just updated in edgy yesterday
[07:22] <gnomefreak> is fakeroot normally a pain in the butt? its giving me permissions denied line 150
[07:22] <gnomefreak> im looking at usr/bin/fakeroot line 150 and it looks fine
[07:22] <tseng> fakeroot isnt magic, it cant give you rights to root owned files
[07:22] <tseng> or things you generally don't have access to
[07:23] <tseng> sounds like you have an unclean build tree with root owned files
[07:23] <tseng> or a makefile trying to install things in the real prefix
[07:23] <tseng> something like this
[07:23] <tseng> yeah?
[07:23] <gnomefreak> im going over it again lets see
[07:23] <tseng> DESTDIR not respected
[07:24] <gnomefreak> hard to say ive been following the guide and i havent used sudo yet
[07:31] <gnomefreak> looking through the rules file i see nothing refering to fakeroot (could this be an issue?)
[07:31] <azeem> no
[07:32] <azeem> check your make install target
[07:32] <gnomefreak> this line $(MAKE) INSTALL_PROGRAM="$(INSTALL_PROGRAM)" \
[07:33] <tseng> no
[07:33] <tseng> make install target upstream
[07:33] <tseng> not in rules
[07:33] <gnomefreak> h
[07:33] <gnomefreak> oh
[07:34] <azeem> gnomefreak: well, you should set DESTDIR in rules
[07:34] <tseng> if you didnt already
[07:35] <gnomefreak> i didnt i just used the one with the packaging guide
[07:36] <azeem> so did you set prefix?
[07:36] <bddebian> OK, WTF.  I attach gdb to maxima and now wxmaxima doesn't puke
[07:36] <gnomefreak> in rules?
[07:36] <azeem> yes
[07:37] <tseng> bddebian: race condition?
[07:38] <gnomefreak> prefix=$$(pwd)/debian/tmp/usr install  is the prefix line in rules
[07:38] <azeem> maybe that doesn't work for your package
[07:38] <bddebian> tseng: How would I know?  I do know it's failing on event.GetSocketEvent()
[07:38] <tseng> s/pwd/CURDIR ?
[07:39] <azeem> gnomefreak: you said you're using fakeroot, right?
[07:39] <gnomefreak> trying to
[07:39] <tseng> bddebian: just a guess, gdb slows things down
[07:39] <gnomefreak> dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot is what im trying to run
[07:40] <azeem> why -S?
[07:40] <azeem> gnomefreak: paste the full output
[07:40] <gnomefreak> to build a source package
[07:41] <azeem> ok, but then your issue is something else, sorry
[07:41] <tseng> like a root-owned file in the source tree
[07:41] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21713
[07:42] <tseng> ls -la debian/rules ?
[07:42] <azeem> gnomefreak: uhm
[07:42] <gnomefreak> -rw------- 1 gnomefreak gnomefreak 2200 2006-08-26 13:13 debian/rules
[07:42] <tseng> there you go.
[07:43] <azeem> gnomefreak: it would've helped if you pasted the full error line from the beginning
[07:43] <tseng> yeah, seriously
[07:43] <gnomefreak> azeem: i did
[07:43] <azeem> no
[07:43] <gnomefreak> no?
[07:43] <tseng> nope.
[07:43] <azeem> 19:15 < gnomefreak> is fakeroot normally a pain in the butt? its giving me permissions denied line 150
[07:43] <gnomefreak> line 150?
[07:43] <tseng> no
[07:43] <azeem> it says
[07:43] <azeem> /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: debian/rules: Permission denied
[07:43] <tseng> debian/rules dude
[07:43] <gnomefreak> oh
[07:44] <tseng> please don't make up what you think are the important parts in the future
[07:44] <tseng> im off, bbl
[07:44] <tseng> chmod +x for the win
[07:44] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[08:03] <seaLne> could some clarify for me do completly new packages have to be in edgy by featurefreeze or universefreeze?  i had assumed universefreeze
[08:07] <gnomefreak> after i run lintian -i *.dsc and it comes up good im done?
[08:10] <gnomefreak> seaLne: i thought it was universe also but im looking it up
[08:10] <crimsun> gnomefreak: did you test-install, test-upgrade, test-downgrade, test-remove?
[08:10] <crimsun> seaLne: universe freeze.
[08:10] <crimsun> late Sept.
[08:10] <gnomefreak> no :(
[08:10] <gnomefreak> i just tested it in pbuilder
[08:12] <gnomefreak> and everyting seemed on in the pbuilder test than i ran the above to check for common mistakes
[08:14] <gnomefreak> i think pbuilder only ran test install by the looks of it
[08:14] <azeem> gnomefreak: check lintian on the resulting *i386.changes
[08:14] <welshbyte> and linda
[08:14] <gnomefreak> dont know how to use linda
[08:15] <welshbyte> man linda ;)
[08:18] <gnomefreak> im assuming this is bad error: cannot find binary, udeb or source package *i386.changes in dist or lab (skipping)
[08:21] <gnomefreak> ok i used linda -C *i386.changes and it looks like a small part of a backtrace
[08:21] <gnomefreak> s/backtrace/is a traceback
[08:22] <welshbyte> gnomefreak: ls *i386.changes
[08:22] <gnomefreak> ls *i386.changes
[08:23] <gnomefreak> oops
[08:23] <gnomefreak> ls: *i386.changes: No such file or directory
[08:23] <welshbyte> exactly
[08:24] <welshbyte> gnomefreak: you should be running lintian and linda on the .dsc file and the .debs that you build from the source package
[08:25] <seaLne> crimsun: ta
[08:26] <gnomefreak> lintian -i *.dsc   << ran that i dont see any .debs in the files sadly but looking again
[08:27] <welshbyte> gnomefreak: if you're building with pbuilder, debs are usually put in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/
[08:28] <gnomefreak> ok looking
[08:29] <gnomefreak> yes i found a *i386.changes and a deb in there :) so run linda nad the onter on those files?
[08:29] <gnomefreak> other
[08:29] <welshbyte> yep
[08:30] <gnomefreak> ok linda didnt like it
[08:31] <azeem> run linda like lintian, i.e. on .dsc and .changes filse
[08:31] <azeem> files
[08:32] <gnomefreak> using linda -C file.changes and file.dsc right?
[08:32] <gnomefreak> i found old copyrite address gives me the new one
[08:32] <azeem> no idea what you mean, sorry
[08:33] <welshbyte> you don't need the -C
[08:34] <gnomefreak> oh ok lets try again
[08:35] <gnomefreak> linda gave me this on the .changes "E: hello; Binary /usr/bin/hello contains unneeded section comment."
[08:36] <gnomefreak> same on the .deb
[08:39] <welshbyte> gnomefreak: what language is the software you're packaging written in?
[08:40] <gnomefreak> english if you mean programming launguage it looks like bash
[08:41] <welshbyte> you're packaging bash scripts?
[08:41] <azeem> gnomefreak: no, it's probably written in C
[08:41] <azeem> gnomefreak: looks like you are not stripping the binary
[08:41] <gnomefreak> C or since the traceback gave me .py maybe python
[08:42] <welshbyte> azeem: linda has problems with bytecode iirc and gives that warning
[08:42] <azeem> gnomefreak: linda is written in python
[08:42] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[08:42] <azeem> gnomefreak: work off your own, I'd suggest
[08:42] <azeem> gnomefreak: you are still packaging GNU hello, right?
[08:42] <gnomefreak> yep
[08:42] <gnomefreak> i fixed all the other errors
[08:42] <welshbyte> ah
[08:43] <gnomefreak> im running pbuilder again after changing the copywrite address for GNU
[08:45] <gnomefreak> so pbuilder runs what looks like /.configure and make
[08:50] <gnomefreak> now trying with debhelper
[09:15] <gnomefreak> what in gods name does this mean dpkg-source: error: syntax error in control file ./hello-2.1.1/debian/control at line 16: continued value line not in field (im concered about the conituned line not in field part
[09:16] <crimsun> pastebin the debian/control
[09:17] <gnomefreak> k
[09:19] <gnomefreak> the full error is listed first   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21716
[09:20] <azeem> the Description looks funny
[09:21] <azeem> the Description: line should have at least 70 characters
[09:21] <azeem> eh, at most
[09:21] <crimsun> there's a duplicate Build-Depends line, and yeah, the Description is mucked
[09:21] <gnomefreak> if i back the next line up to the one that errors on than theres no space between words
[09:22] <crimsun> blank lines should have a marker, generally '.'
[09:22] <azeem> no space between words?
[09:22] <gnomefreak> yeah i had those in there once
[09:22] <azeem> gnomefreak: did you actually look at another package's control file yet?
[09:23] <gnomefreak> azeem: im looking at the one for this package
[09:23] <gnomefreak> its on the packaging guide
[09:25] <azeem> then maybe look at a couple others as well
[09:26] <gnomefreak> heres new one with new error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21718
[09:26] <gnomefreak> this is second ive looked at 1st = hello prgram i did first and than this one plus the 2 in the guide
[09:27] <gnomefreak> the errors i spent most time on in first hello package was tab/space errors
[09:29] <azeem> the first line of your long description is a .
[09:29] <azeem> remove that line
[09:29] <azeem> or rather, actually make the short decription (what comes after Description:) not be part of the long description
[09:31] <gnomefreak> ok let me see if that helps
[09:35] <gnomefreak> nope i change the paragraphs around in all directions still getting the lin-colon error
[09:36] <azeem> repaste
[09:36] <gnomefreak> not field-colon-value) error
[09:36] <gnomefreak> ok
[09:37] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21719
[09:38] <gnomefreak> i triedd both with and without the . for blank lines same error either way
[09:38] <azeem> gnomefreak: what packaging guide are you reading?
[09:38] <gnomefreak> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html
[09:38] <azeem> the first line of your long description still has a '.'
[09:38] <azeem> gnomefreak: in my browser that renders as "Description: The classic greeting, and a good example"
[09:39] <azeem> and then
[09:39] <azeem> " The GNU hello program produces a familiar, friendly greeting.  It"
[09:39] <gnomefreak> yeah
[09:39] <azeem> (mind the space at the beginning)
[09:39] <azeem> your Description line is way too long
[09:39] <azeem> and your first line reads "."
[09:40] <gnomefreak> you mean the . between paragraphs?
[09:41] <azeem> 21:32 < azeem> and your first line reads "." 21:33 -!- tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac]  has quit [Connection timed out]
[09:41] <azeem> oops, sorry
[09:42] <azeem> gnomefreak: what is the difference between the short and the long description?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> the long disciption tells you about it the short is referring you to another
[09:43] <azeem> to another?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> sorry to same
[09:43] <azeem> I am not talking about your package, I am asking in general
[09:43] <gnomefreak> the long should tell you in more detail what the app is and does
[09:44] <azeem> what is the short description in your package?
[09:44] <gnomefreak> little more detail
[09:44] <gnomefreak> it should tell you name of the app for the most part maybe refer you to man page
[09:45] <azeem> what is the short description in your package?
[09:45] <gnomefreak> right after description:
[09:45] <azeem> until?
[09:46] <gnomefreak> the classic greeting starts long
[09:46] <azeem> then maybe the pastebin is failing
[09:46] <azeem> hrm, or wait
[09:46] <gnomefreak> to what it is.  << last line of short
[09:47] <gnomefreak> azeem: in pastebin look at the white part on bottom to see real format
[09:47] <gnomefreak> thats not even right
[09:47] <azeem> that doesn't render line breaks
[09:47] <azeem> gnomefreak: so where does the short description end?
[09:48] <gnomefreak> "to what it is" the very last line of short
[09:48] <azeem> ok
[09:49] <azeem> so what is between the end of the short description, and the starting of the long description?
[09:49] <gnomefreak> just the . in the blank lines
[09:49] <azeem> why is it there?
[09:50] <azeem> is it in the packaging guide as well?
[09:50] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:52] <gnomefreak> ok not real sure what happened there http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21721  screenshot of file
[09:53] <azeem> what is that supposed to show?
[09:54] <gnomefreak> the exact format of it
[09:55] <azeem> the question is rather:  Why do you see a "." on an otherwise blank line in between the end of the short description and the starting of the long description in the packaging guide?
[09:55] <azeem> because I don't see it here
[09:56] <gnomefreak> i had it there if you look at the non screen shot post
[09:56] <azeem> you said you had it there because it was in the packaging guide as well
[09:57] <gnomefreak> correct i had them there since they are in the guide but still errored iirc same but i will tell you in a moment
[09:57] <gnomefreak> change that they are there in my file atm running the command again
[10:00] <gnomefreak> same error with or without the . on blanklines
[10:01] <welshbyte> gnomefreak: read http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-descriptions
[10:01] <azeem> welshbyte: I was just about to suggest that
[10:01] <bddebian> welshbyte: Hey, old buddy, old pal..
[10:01] <welshbyte> bddebian: ello ... uh... bddebian :)
[10:01] <azeem> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Description is useful as well
[10:01] <bddebian> welshbyte: Are you bored? ;-)
[10:01] <welshbyte> bddebian: a bit
[10:02] <bddebian> welshbyte: How's your debug (gdb?) skills? :-)
[10:03] <welshbyte> bddebian: uh, i have basic skill with it :)
[10:04] <bddebian> Hmm
[10:04] <welshbyte> what needs debugging?
[10:05] <gnomefreak> k reading
[10:05] <bddebian> Well I rebuilt maxima/wxmaxima unstripped but when I attach gdb to maxima, wxmaxima doesn't fail
[10:05] <bddebian> Bug #43150
[10:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43150 in wxmaxima "wxmaxima fails with error, can't connect to maxima" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43150
[10:06] <azeem> bddebian: and it fails if you just run the unstripped binaries normally?
[10:06] <bddebian> azeem: Yes
[10:06] <bddebian> tseng thinks maybe it's a race condition
[10:06] <bddebian> I know it fails on event.GetSocketEvent() in src/wxMaxima.cpp
[10:07] <welshbyte> if the bug is on dapper i'll have a look at it
[10:07] <bddebian> Aye, Dapper
[10:09] <crimsun> gnomefreak: are you located near the Triangle area?
[10:09] <gnomefreak> yes
[10:10] <gnomefreak> im out by jordan lake
[10:10] <crimsun> I'm going to meet up with some LUGmates for dinner at Elmo's (in Carrboro); if you want to do a quick keysigning I can
[10:10] <gnomefreak> tonight?
[10:10] <crimsun> yes, I'm leaving in 20 mins
[10:10] <crimsun> (from Greensboro)
[10:11] <gnomefreak> ack i cant make it tonight
[10:11] <crimsun> np
[10:11] <gnomefreak> thank you though
[10:11] <bddebian> Can I come? :-)
[10:12] <gnomefreak> brb changing pcs
[10:13] <crimsun> bddebian: if you can make it to Raleigh, NC by 5:30 PM EDT, sure :)
[10:13] <bddebian> Hmm, that might be tough :-)
[10:16] <welshbyte> bddebian: rules file looks basic but i haven't learnt cdbs yet... how do i pass an option to the configure script?
[10:17] <bddebian> welshbyte: I think you could pass DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS or whatever it's called?
[10:18] <azeem> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS is an environment variable
[10:18] <azeem> welshbyte: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml is pretty good
[10:18] <bddebian> Well export I meant
[10:19] <welshbyte> brb phone
[10:19] <bddebian> welshbyte: Otherwise I think you have to add a congigure:<package> target
[10:19] <azeem> https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2500057 talks about it
[10:20] <azeem> bddebian: but that wouldn't get appended to the configure line
[10:20] <bddebian> azeem: Oh, aye
[10:27] <welshbyte> ack, haven't created a pbuilder on this machine yet *waits*
[10:48] <welshbyte> uh, my pbuilder can't satisfy the dependency on libwxgtk2.6-dev
[10:49] <welshbyte> but it's installed fine... odd
[10:52] <bddebian> welshbyte: Do you have universe setup in your pbuilderrc?
[10:53] <welshbyte> heh probably not.. what do i need to add?
[10:54] <bddebian> OTHERMIRROR="deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse"
[10:54] <welshbyte> ah components is commented out
[10:55] <welshbyte> i miss my development machine
[11:00] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[11:01] <welshbyte> ello LaserJock
[11:01] <LaserJock> hi bddebian and welshbyte
[11:11] <welshbyte> ah building at last
[11:11] <welshbyte> hope this one doesn't take 16 hours ;)
[11:12] <bddebian> Nah, it's relatively quick :)
[11:12] <welshbyte> cool
[11:12] <Whoopie> this is really OT, but I hope you can help: there's a guy on another channel who offends other user in this channel. How is it possible kick or ban him?
[11:15] <LaserJock> Whoopie: perhaps try #ubuntu-ops?
[11:16] <Whoopie> LaserJock: it's not an ubuntu channel. Sorry, didn't mention it. But it's a freenode channel.
[11:16] <LaserJock> Whoopie: some of the Ubuntu ops are also freenode staff
[11:16] <Whoopie> LaserJock: ok, I try. Thanks!
[11:41] <welshbyte> bddebian: how did you get it to build unstripped?
[11:42] <bddebian> welshbyte: You can either remove dh_strip, or : export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug nostrip noopt"
[11:42] <LaserJock> yep
[11:42] <welshbyte> thanks


[10:17] <stickupkid> manadart, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12196
[10:50] <Hybrid512> Hi
[10:51] <Hybrid512>  I had a juju upgrade this morning (2.8.6/snap) which went well.
[10:51] <Hybrid512> I then upgraded the juju controller and as soon as I did that, it disturbed my previous deployments
[10:51] <Hybrid512> agent was unavailable (which is quite normal since controller was upgrading itself) but then, when it went up again, it looks like the model was reconfiguring itself for every charms which broke some VIPs and had quite some impacts
[10:52] <Hybrid512> agent was unavailable (which is quite normal since controller was upgrading itself) but then, when it went up again, it looks like the model was reconfiguring itself for every charms which broke some VIPs and had quite some impacts
[10:52] <Hybrid512> I didn't thought the controller would be that critical for **deployed** applications ... I could easily imagine that it would be critical to **new** deployments but not already deployed ones
[10:52] <Hybrid512> what is the best practice in such case ?
[11:05] <stickupkid> Hybrid512, firstly I believe a bug at the very least would be good to track this, as it does sound like we did something wrong
[11:06] <Hybrid512> stickupkid I can create it ... just didn't know if this was a bug or if I did something wrong
[11:06] <Hybrid512> so at fisrt, would be great to know your recommended best practices towards that
[11:07] <stickupkid> I don't know enough, maybe manadart does
[11:09] <manadart> Hybrid512: What version was the upgrade from?
[11:10] <Hybrid512> 2.8.5 -> 2.8.6
[11:10] <Hybrid512> from snap package
[15:33] <stickupkid> hml, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12232
[15:33] <hml> stickupkid: ack