[00:54] <DarkwingDuck> Yay. My service in the US Navy has been retained. I'm no longer jobless
[01:54] <ScottK> lex79: I should be able to get to it later tonight.
[01:54] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Congratulations.
[01:55] <ScottK> lex79: Does -workspace need uploading?
[01:58] <DarkwingDuck> thanks ScottK
[01:58] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[01:58] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck congrats for something
[01:59] <ScottK> jjesse: Not being unemployed.
[01:59] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: i get to keep my job
[01:59] <jjesse> yay
[01:59] <jjesse> that's awesome
[01:59] <DarkwingDuck> oh yeah
[02:00] <jjesse> miltary right?
[02:00] <DarkwingDuck> yes
[02:00] <DarkwingDuck>  Navy
[02:00] <jjesse> nice
[02:00] <jjesse> now if we can just find a job for nixternal
[02:01] <DarkwingDuck> yeah i know
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: when you get a chance to look at kdeutils, could you also push konversation through new queue please?
[02:07] <ScottK> I'll try.
[02:07] <lex79> ScottK: yes for -workspace
[02:08]  * ScottK looks at JontheEchidna to take care of workspace then.
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> OK
[02:08] <ScottK> Thanks.  Back later.
[02:08] <lex79> also this please https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/600722
[02:30] <jjesse> is the official name Kubuntu Netbook Remix or Kubuntu Netbook Edition?
[03:57] <ScottK> jjesse: Officially it's Kubuntu Netbook Remix.
[04:08] <claydoh> are there any major Known Issues for Alpha2 that should be mentioned ?
[04:08] <claydoh> in the release notes
[04:35] <ScottK> Probably, not sure what though.  It's working well enough for me.  I mean it's an Alpha, if you install it on something you care about and it eats your system, don't be suprised if people see humor in that.
[04:48] <claydoh> there are the usual caveats :) plus the default browser is still Konq, at least in terms of System Settings :)
[04:48] <claydoh> it is working very well for me too, but I just installed it
[04:49] <claydoh> except for rekonq crashing before I could save my wiki work :(
[05:47] <claydoh> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/Alpha2/Kubuntu
[05:49] <shadeslayer> claydoh: doh We want to hear what you think about this Alpha 2 Release of Kubuntu 10.04. We want to know if it Rocks, if it is just OK, or it is flat out wrong. No matter the feedback, as long as it is in line with the Ubuntu Code of Conduct we would like to hear it.
[05:49] <shadeslayer> claydoh: s/10.04/10.10
[05:49] <shadeslayer> :P
[05:53] <claydoh> :P thats why I have preoof readers :)
[05:54] <claydoh> err proof readers
[05:54] <claydoh> I do have my new glasses, honest!
[06:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We need to wait until Knoversation is built on more archs to pull it out of New.
[08:35] <apachelogger> \o/ only one exam left
[08:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: umbrello falls over when trying to import libqapt :P
[09:34] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[09:34] <kubotu> apachelogger listened to "Monster" by Beatsteaks [Smacksmash, 2004] 7 days ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/09RX0f7At2hnLRpZtz5YBx] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[09:34] <apachelogger> hm
[09:34] <apachelogger> ah right
[09:34]  * apachelogger noticed that last.fm is loads of inefficient during startup ^^
[09:45] <apachelogger> ofirk_: it is Mozilla Firefox not Firefox
[09:46] <apachelogger> http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour <-- using latter here
[09:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, Riddell: shall I upload my super awesome desktop file patch?
[09:54] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic del 4
[09:54] <apachelogger> lex79: congrats btw :)
[09:56] <CIA-99> [messages] zepires * 1145218 * trunk/l10n-kde4/pt/messages/ (5 files in 5 dirs) Finished HEAD for now
[09:58]  * apachelogger throws translations after JontheEchidna
[09:58] <apachelogger> fix0rd
[09:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, bulldog98, Quintasan, lex79: suggestions on how to improve ninja packaging quality?
[10:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes go for it
[10:01] <apachelogger> okies
[10:08] <CIA-99> [kdelibs] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* releasing version 4:4.4.90-0ubuntu2
[10:15] <Trouble> Gosh, that upgrade from Lucid to Maverick was pretty smooooth :-p
[10:16]  * Trouble risks turning on desktop effects now he's upgraded
[10:21] <ghostcube> rc1 rox
[10:22] <ghostcube> i have again working wallpapers lol
[10:31] <Trouble> Wha thappened to the weather wallpaper?
[10:33] <tsimpson> Sho_ just mentioned this in #konversation, I thought I'd share: http://vimeo.com/13009589
[10:55] <jussi> tsimpson: hahahahah
[11:15] <apachelogger> did he call chrome stupid ^^ :D
[11:30]  * Trouble turns desktop effects off again :-(
[13:09] <jussi> chromium still doesnt play videos through the vlc or kaffeine plugins
[13:10] <jussi> and I still dont understand why ubuntu installs a pae kernel and kubuntu a standard one...
[13:11] <apachelogger> wah?
[13:11] <apachelogger> ubuntu also installs -generic
[13:11] <apachelogger> last I checked only -server shipped with pae enabled
[13:14] <jussi> apachelogger: curious. Ive a 10.04 install here that installed pae
[13:15] <apachelogger> all I know is that the kernel should be set by foundations independent of ubuntu and kubuntu, so they should have the very same kernel installed
[13:15] <apachelogger> maybe the ubuntu ubiquity did some stuff to get pae in
[13:16] <Mamarok> hi all
[13:16] <apachelogger> hello Mamarok
[13:16] <Mamarok> I have 2 packages kept back in the kde 4.5 rc1: kde-config-phonon-xine and kde-sc-dev-latest
[13:16] <Mamarok> the first is kept back since beta1
[13:17] <apachelogger> sudo apt-get install kde-config-phonon-xine
[13:21] <Mamarok> apachelogger: that worked, but for the kde-sc-dev-latest I get this error:
[13:21] <Mamarok> kde-sc-dev-latest: Depends: pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.9.1) but 0.8.0ubuntu2~lucid1~ppa4 is to be installed
[13:21] <Mamarok> seems a big version difference
[13:27] <apachelogger> aiht, that sounds wrongish
[13:28] <apachelogger> BUG
[13:28] <apachelogger> lex79: ^ if you could take a look at that
[13:28]  * apachelogger is about to leave for last exam this semester \\o/
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: know how to fix CIA? I don't
[14:04]  * JontheEchidna grumbles @ glib: http://pastebin.com/UGn2Xdxv
[14:07]  * ScottK vaguely recalls someone needing http://incoming.debian.org/qt-assistant-compat_4.6.3-1.dsc
[14:07] <ScottK> For Lucid ...
[14:10]  * ScottK gives apachelogger the "Yes, I felt like writing a novel" award for his debian/changelog entry in kde4libs.
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> novel changelog entries are awesome
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: looks like konversation's built on everything but sparc now.
[14:15] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  I'll try and take a look this morning.  sparc will fail in any case (and we don't care about sparc even more)
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[14:15] <ScottK> It was just done on i386 when I looked last night.
[14:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you look at -workspace yet?
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yup, uploaded
[14:17] <ScottK> Cool
[14:23] <ScottK> Riddell: qmf is in New if you have a free moment.
[14:27] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I don't see this new package documented any debian/changelog?
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+changelog
[14:28] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I was talking about konversation.
[14:28] <ScottK> Did Debian do this split also?
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yes, it was picked up as part of the merge
[14:28] <ScottK> OK.  So their bad on the lack of documentation.
[14:29] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Accepted.
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: they documented it in the entry for 1.3~beta1-2
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: thanks
[14:29] <ScottK> OK.  I guess I didn't look back far enough.
[14:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well... what do we want to improve is the question :)
[15:10] <apachelogger> last exam done \o/
[15:11] <apachelogger> I am now a fulltime slave of ubuntuone \o/
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[15:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: better too much documentation than too little, right? ;)
[15:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: quality of packages for example :P
[15:11] <apachelogger> or maybe we could make the process faster?
[15:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: Certainly.
[15:28] <apachelogger> oh dear
[15:29]  * apachelogger got invited to a party and hadn't slept very well these couple of days -.-
[15:29]  * apachelogger needs to buy some additional youth, his is already used up ^^
[15:33] <ScottK> apachelogger: coffee works as a reasonable substitute.
[15:35] <apachelogger> not for me :/
[15:35] <ScottK> Probably not dosing sufficiently then.
[15:39] <apachelogger> well, I need to go to the train station soonish anyway, supposedly I could get a liter of coffee there ;)
[15:47] <ScottK> As long as there are proper facilities on the train, yes (not sure what kind of train you are catching)
[15:50] <apachelogger> come to think of it, the trains will most likely burst today, seeing as today ought to be the end of semester for pretty much all students in Graz and Graz is like 75% students...
[15:50] <apachelogger> OTOH
[15:50] <apachelogger> maybe I should travel business class ^^
[16:01] <txwikinger> apachelogger: student class maybe.. but business class?
[16:01] <apachelogger> I am ubuntuone-kde overlord :P
[16:02] <txwikinger> apachelogger: I will believe it when I have it working on my system
[16:02]  * txwikinger disabled all ubuntu-one nonsense due to too many issues
[16:02] <apachelogger> ah
[16:02] <apachelogger> you cannot disable the cloud :P
[16:02] <apachelogger> and the cloud is issued alright
[16:02] <apachelogger> no bookmark sync for ages now
[16:05]  * ScottK finds akonadi-kde-resource-googledata works nicely (although not for bookmarks).
[16:06] <ScottK> Double win with Android sync from Google.
[16:07]  * shadeslayer thinks about what apachelogger means
[16:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well... we already have the fastest PPA on earth :p
[16:08] <shadeslayer> so no point of poking the build process...
[16:09]  * shadeslayer finds RC1 sluggish
[16:09]  * ScottK recommends not thinking too hard about what apachelogger says, it can be confusing.
[16:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Better than the beta was, IME.
[16:10]  * txwikinger agrees with ScottK
[16:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wrong attitude
[16:10] <shadeslayer> ScottK: seriously... my qipmsg package for example.. and then the mail on kubuntu devel to which apachelogger replied too...
[16:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 0_o
[16:10] <apachelogger> one can always improve
[16:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :P
[16:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: get canonical to improve the hardware? :D
[16:11] <apachelogger> right now I see that we there were at least 2 file conflicts emerging in the published PPA packages
[16:11] <apachelogger> that should be 0
[16:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i think we need more of user feedback on this,they are the ultimate consumers of KDE
[16:11] <shadeslayer> +packaging
[16:11] <apachelogger> so how to do that?
[16:11] <shadeslayer> like what goes wrong during their upgrade and stuff
[16:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: something during dev week?
[16:12] <shadeslayer> like we have a session in which the community asks us questions
[16:12] <shadeslayer> OR
[16:12] <apachelogger> you want something persistent and that needs a plan first ;)
[16:12] <apachelogger> we had kubuntu-testers at some point
[16:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we make a new channel #kubuntu-feedback
[16:12] <apachelogger> though I did not see much testing coming out of it
[16:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i joined and tested :P
[16:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you want it long term
[16:13] <apachelogger> we do not need feedback once every 6 months
[16:13] <apachelogger> we need feedback for each KDE release
[16:13] <apachelogger> on every version we deploy on
[16:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes,i mean we get feedback for every KDE release there
[16:13] <apachelogger> BEFORE we push the packages public
[16:13] <shadeslayer> specifically for KDE releases
[16:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh..
[16:13]  * txwikinger wants more unit testing
[16:14] <apachelogger> if we publish crap then all the feedback of the world will not help
[16:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: recommending staging PPA would be a bad idea...
[16:14] <apachelogger> how to prevent self-appointed gurus of recommending it to noobs?
[16:14]  * shadeslayer finds the copy dialog crappy in 4.5
[16:14] <ScottK> LongPointyStickOfDoom(tm)
[16:14] <apachelogger> I know of people who added our PPAs to the Kubuntu setup of thei dear ones
[16:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: LongPointyKDEStickofDoom
[16:15] <ScottK> Hobbsee could destroy them all ...
[16:15] <apachelogger> true
[16:15] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[16:16] <shadeslayer> oh whee... first plasma crash on 4.5
[16:17]  * shadeslayer feels like going back to beta
[16:18] <shadeslayer> seems like ive gone back to Win XP on my P3
[16:18] <txwikinger> so slow?
[16:18] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:19] <shadeslayer> dolphin hangs,cant copy 3x1.4GB files onto a external HD at once.. crashes
[16:19] <shadeslayer> well.. i have some kde* updates coming through
[16:19] <txwikinger> why are there so many regressions after beta?
[16:19] <txwikinger> that should not happen
[16:20]  * txwikinger thinks unit testing could help a lot to prevent regressions
[16:20] <shadeslayer> and now the write speed is down to 300 KBps -.-
[16:20]  * ScottK suspects the kernel, not KDE.
[16:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ScottK Riddell rekonq 0.5 release on Monday
[16:25] <shadeslayer> anyoneelsewhocaresandisntsubscribedtorekonqml^^
[16:27] <mfraz74> when reporting a bug, how can i tell if it is a packaging bug or an upstream bug?
[16:27] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: uh.. whats the problem?
[16:28] <shadeslayer> if a app crashes and a kdebugdialog comes up,kde bug.. if upgrades dont go smoothly packaging bug ( in general )
[16:28] <shadeslayer> but it really depends on the problem
[16:28] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: nothing now, just something I read on one of the kubuntu announcements saying that use launchpad for packaging bugs and bugs.kde.org for upstream bugs
[16:28] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:28] <mfraz74> thx
[16:29] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: well in general the above statement should suffice... correct me if im wrong :P
[16:30] <mfraz74> ok
[16:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh oh question... why doesnt the device notifier plasmoid power down external USB devices?
[16:30] <mfraz74> it's good to see some my reported bugs geting fixed :)
[16:30] <shadeslayer> like external HD's ... eject in nautilus powers them down
[16:30]  * claydoh points out that there is pretty near instant feedback for each pre-release in kubuntuforums.....
[16:31] <shadeslayer> so it *is* possible .. but not implemented in KDE
[16:31]  * shadeslayer has never used forums
[16:31] <claydoh> but you just have to read them :)
[16:31] <mfraz74> i prefer mailinglists to forums
[16:31] <claydoh> most people do not use irc
[16:32] <claydoh> the kubuntu users list is tiny and not much for testing
[16:32] <claydoh> they expect perfection +1
[16:32] <mfraz74> claydoh: that's true, but for testing i use irc which is more real time
[16:33] <claydoh> yeah, but for user feedback as was mentioned above
[16:33] <claydoh> it is one resource
[16:33] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: ++
[16:34] <claydoh> and that is why kubuntu has 3+ separate communities, more or less, no one want to go outside their boxes sometimes :(
[16:35] <shadeslayer> imo revive kubuntu testers + forums + IRC
[16:36]  * claydoh sees no real way to connect the parts, outside of getting just a few to 'cross over' some times (kudos apachelogger in kubuntuforums!)
[16:37] <mfraz74> i suppose there are fewer IRC users these days
[16:37] <shadeslayer> claydoh: did you correct the release page?
[16:37] <claydoh> shadeslayer: yes, I did
[16:37] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:37] <claydoh> thank you! :)
[16:38] <shadeslayer> np
[16:38] <mfraz74> what is the URL of the kubuntu maverick alpha 2 page?
[16:38] <shadeslayer> ScottK: JontheEchidna btw who was going to upload desktopcouch?
[16:39] <ScottK> Not /me
[16:39] <shadeslayer> well its JontheEchidna then :P
[16:39] <claydoh> mfraz74: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/Alpha2/Kubuntu
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> Did the desktopcouch maintainers approve?
[16:39] <mfraz74> claydoh: thx, couldn't find any sign of a link to that page anywhere
[16:40] <shadeslayer> uh.. didnt ask :(
[16:40] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: will do
[16:40] <claydoh> very sparse, sorry. Ubuntu don't seem to be using their usual wiki pages for their release  notes
[16:40]  * shadeslayer was busy with #hackers-india meet :P
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: please get one of them to sponsor, or subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> I would not feel comfortable sponsoring desktopcouch
[16:40] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[16:41] <claydoh> so I kept to the standard locations for our notes
[16:42] <mfraz74> claydoh: is it ok for me to edit that wiki page? there are a few mentions of lucid
[16:42] <claydoh> arggghh..
[16:42] <claydoh> of course you can
[16:42] <shadeslayer> claydoh: theres just one :P
[16:43] <shadeslayer> uh.. mfraz74^^
[16:43] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: ok i exaggerated a bit!
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> nice, we got an ARM FTBFS fix on a Qt package from an @canonical address: bug 600820
[16:44] <shadeslayer> ooooh
[16:45] <shadeslayer> #chromiumfail on maverick
[16:45] <claydoh> mfraz74: odd as I did the text mostly from scratch
[16:45] <shadeslayer> claydoh: :P
[16:45] <claydoh> lol except for that one section
[16:46] <mfraz74> claydoh: lol
[16:46] <shadeslayer> claydoh: and the one at the bottom :P
[16:46] <claydoh> then of course rekonk crashed 9not a reason though)
[16:46] <claydoh> no, I misstyped that one
[16:47] <claydoh> though it is the same text that has been used before I think
[16:52] <shadeslayer> btw have you guys seen our stickerzz ?
[16:53] <shadeslayer> http://members.bas.org.in/kstar/himeetup/IMG_4581.JPG
[16:56] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: i can still see spaces for more stickers
[16:56] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: my laptop has loads of space.. no stickers so far :P
[16:56]  * shadeslayer didnt get his laptop along
[16:57] <ScottK> I'm glad I bought the Dell with the Ubuntu preinstall.  The system won't boot to the CD drive.  Their recommended solution was reflash the BIOS.  I asked how when I couldn't boot the CD for that.  They said, "No problem, you can download it and run it from your machine."  The download was (predictably) a Windows executable.  They are now "exploring options."
[16:57] <claydoh> my laptop is soo naked, I just have 2 stickers
[16:57] <ScottK> Since I bought it from them without Windows, they are sort of stuck figuring it out.
[16:57] <shadeslayer> ScottK: dont you know
[16:57] <shadeslayer> ScottK: there was a project about flashing bios from ubuntu
[16:57]  * shadeslayer has mail about this
[16:58] <mfraz74> claydoh: i just have the one sticker on the back. Are there going to be some new kubuntu stickers out soon?
[16:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It's Dell's problem to figure it out.
[16:58] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK: well.. i can help you if you want :D
[16:58] <claydoh> mfraz74: I only hope, tho I do like my 'classic' kubuntu stickers
[16:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Repository/firmware
[16:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Thanks
[16:59] <shadeslayer> ScottK: np
[16:59] <mfraz74> claydoh: i do like them too, could do with a new kubuntu t-shirt to go with my new ubuntu one
[17:00] <claydoh> so could I , but they dond't make them big enough for me :(
[17:00] <mfraz74> lol
[17:01] <mfraz74> is xxl too small?
[17:01] <claydoh> yes, actually
[17:01] <jjesse> too large :)
[17:01] <claydoh> I am not slimming down fast enough
[17:02] <claydoh> xxxl or even xxxxl
[17:02] <jjesse> how bout medium :)
[17:03] <mfraz74> how about just selling sew on patches?
[17:03] <claydoh> jjesse: i refuse to do the 'muffin top' thing :P
[17:03] <ScottK> shadeslayer: That one says community support only, so I'm not going to try it (don't want to void the warranty).
[17:03] <ScottK> thanks though
[17:04] <jjesse> claydoh hahaha
[17:04] <jjesse> i bet i am one of the few that could fit into a medium sized shirt in this channel
[17:04] <claydoh> even if I go to Walmart, I won't
[17:05] <claydoh> I am legitimately fat, though. I don't think many here are
[17:05] <mfraz74> had trouble updating the bios on my tosh nb100
[17:05] <mfraz74> if you did any updates, the upgrader wouldn't work
[17:06] <claydoh> i made an iso of the bios update floppy for my old Compaq, and used grub to boot from the iso
[17:18] <shadeslayer> ScottK: well.. :P
[17:19] <shadeslayer> ScottK: you just want to see Dell in pain
[17:19] <ScottK> No.  I want them to fix my system.
[17:20] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[17:20] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ill probably never buy dell again tho
[17:21] <shadeslayer> Asus maybe
[17:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK: btw did you get a 3 years warranty?
[17:23] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:23] <shadeslayer> ScottK: good :)
[17:23] <ScottK> They are going to send me a new machine.
[17:24]  * shadeslayer only had a 1 year warranty
[17:24] <ScottK> IME Dell laptops aren't the best in the world, but they're support is top notch.
[17:24] <ScottK> they're/their
[17:24] <ScottK> Also I appreciate they invest in Ubuntu.
[17:24] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yeah,my hardware went bad after 2 months of warranty expiratation
[17:26] <shadeslayer> Mobo blew a chip
[17:26] <shadeslayer> and they told me that the Mobo was of 10k INR,and warranty would cost 10k + cost of warranty :P
[17:29] <ScottK> Always get the 3 year warranty on a laptop
[17:30] <ScottK> They are going to replace the system ...
[17:31] <shadeslayer> ScottK: my system was $$$$ already
[17:31] <shadeslayer> 68k INR
[17:31] <shadeslayer> ( Dell XPS M1530 )
[17:31] <shadeslayer> ScottK: got it fixed locally :P
[17:32] <shadeslayer> for 4k INR
[17:34] <DarthFrog> INR = rupees?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:35] <DarthFrog> $85.5 USD
[17:35] <shadeslayer> probably
[17:35] <DarthFrog> www.xe.com
[17:42] <shadeslayer> anyone read
[17:42] <shadeslayer> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02appleletter.html
[17:43] <mfraz74> read about that earlier
[17:44] <DarthFrog> Interesting.  It's a math error, not physics. :-)
[17:44] <shadeslayer> DarthFrog: its a stupid announcement
[17:45] <shadeslayer> DarthFrog: if people were getting dropped calls,its because of faulty antenna design .. not a maths error
[17:45] <DarthFrog> I eagerly await the consumer response.  :-)
[17:45] <shadeslayer> according to the announcement,if i have no bars,i should  be able to make a call :P
[17:46] <DarthFrog> No, other way around.  The bars are supposedly over-representing signal strength.
[17:46] <shadeslayer> wait.. that came out wrong..
[17:46] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:47] <DarthFrog> Doesn't matter.  Apple is evil.  Stylish, but evil. :-)
[17:49] <shadeslayer> DarthFrog: yeah
[17:49]  * shadeslayer would like a Apple iPad+Kubuntu
[17:55] <mfraz74> i'd settle for being able to have rockbox on a newer iPod or at least for Apple to allow oggs
[18:14] <lex79> Mamarok: I've just uploaded the fix for kde-sc-dev-latest
[18:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: poke
[18:31] <shadeslayer> ( if your around )
[18:31] <shadeslayer> hmm.. seems now
[18:31] <shadeslayer> *not
[18:31] <shadeslayer> lex79: around?
[18:31] <lex79> yes
[18:31] <shadeslayer> lex79: kool,i need to split kopete
[18:32] <shadeslayer> lex79: and then add a patch that will say " Install additional libraries to enable google chat call support "
[18:32] <shadeslayer> ( basically call support is bringing in libavcodecs which has legal issues on CD )
[18:34] <Mamarok> lex79: thanks I will try
[18:34] <lex79> np :)
[18:34] <shadeslayer> lex79: look at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51164916/kdenetwork_4:4.4.90-0ubuntu1_4:4.4.90-0ubuntu2.diff.gz
[18:35] <shadeslayer> now the only addition to get support are the additional deps and the modified install files
[18:35] <lex79> well, split the package then... :)
[18:35] <lex79> I don't know about the patch...
[18:36] <shadeslayer> lex79: ill have a look at the other packages which do that kind of notifications
[18:36] <shadeslayer> lex79: so.. what is the new package name? and.. will i have to make a whole new libkopete?
[18:37] <shadeslayer> or just a new package with usr/bin/googletalk-call in install files
[18:37]  * shadeslayer thinks new libkopete
[18:37] <lex79> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdenetwork/ubuntu/revision/91
[18:37] <lex79> seems only a package with usr/bin/googletalk-call
[18:38] <shadeslayer> lex79: hmm.. im not entirely sure,i think we will need a new libkopete,since the library needs to be compiled with the gcall support stuff
[18:38] <lex79> oh, that is a problem I think :)
[18:39] <shadeslayer> lex79: :)
[18:39] <shadeslayer> lex79: so,new libkopete,right
[18:39] <lex79> nope, usually we don't do this
[18:39] <shadeslayer> ow
[18:39] <shadeslayer> what do we want to do ;)
[18:40] <lex79> I think nothing, you can't have the same libraries in two packages
[18:40] <shadeslayer> lex79: hmm.. why not? we can add a replaces/conflicts for each of them
[18:41] <lex79> that is because we didn't ever include google talk support
[18:41] <shadeslayer> uh..
[18:41] <shadeslayer> we did with last upload
[18:42] <shadeslayer> thats why Riddell made a new upload
[18:42] <lex79> where? I don't see here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdenetwork/ubuntu/revision/88
[18:44] <shadeslayer> lex79: see debian/kopete.install
[18:45] <shadeslayer> also the changelog ( the build deps were added to add gcall support
[18:45] <lex79> talk with Riddell is better, I never seen two package with the same libraries but built with different build-deps in a source package
[18:45] <shadeslayer> hmm..
[18:45] <shadeslayer> lex79: well.. im guessing here :P
[18:46] <shadeslayer> that we need to build the library seprately
[18:47] <lex79> maybe you mean in different source package, not in the kdenetwork source package
[18:47] <lex79> well talk with Riddell ;)
[18:47] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:48] <shadeslayer> dont think it should be a different source package
[18:52] <lex79> "i think we will need a new libkopete,since the library needs to be compiled with the gcall support stuff" impossible have in the same source package a libkopete built against a set of build-deps and libkopete-googletalk built against a different set build-deps
[18:52] <lex79> but I can wrong, I never seen before :)
[18:54] <lex79> you have to split the source package
[18:59] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:59] <shadeslayer> the only problem is the deps
[18:59] <lex79> only?
[19:00] <shadeslayer> the source code has the gcall stuff
[19:00] <shadeslayer> the deps are optional,enable them and you get gcall support
[19:00] <lex79> deps or build-depends?
[19:00] <shadeslayer> build deps :D
[19:01] <shadeslayer> lex79: export alias " deps=build-deps "
[19:01] <shadeslayer> ( in my language :P )
[19:01] <lex79> well, deps != build-depends :)
[19:01] <shadeslayer> lex79: i know... i just have a habit of calling them that
[19:02] <lex79> so we return to the problem that I wrote there ^
[19:02] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[19:03] <lex79> if the problem was only about the depends, you don't need to split the source package
[19:03] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:06] <lex79> oh but that's sometimes wrong :) see plasma widgets google gadget, we have to split google gadget from -workspace since google-gadget-qt can't go in Main
[19:06] <lex79> ;)
[19:07] <shadeslayer> lex79: so you guys split the source?
[19:07] <lex79> yes
[19:07] <shadeslayer> lex79: so how do you do that?
[19:09] <lex79> chat with JR :)
[19:09] <shadeslayer> ok :D
[19:10] <shadeslayer> !debdiff is A simple way to patch debian packages is to attach a debdiff to a bug report,or send it to the team which handles the package,lear more about it here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Howtos/Debdiff
[19:10] <shadeslayer> !debdiff is A simple way to patch debian/ubuntu packages is to attach a debdiff to a bug report,or send it to the team which handles the package,lear more about it here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Howtos/Debdiff
[19:11] <maco> shadeslayer:  i think that should be learn, not lear
[19:11] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:11] <shadeslayer> corrected in PM
[20:09] <ulysses> hm, anyone noticed, that copying an URL cause to appear a dialog twice or three times?
[20:10] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145393 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Detect whether a potential change will break the package. In the future, I'll extend this to show why the break happens, and once LibQApt has undo/redo going for it, I will auto-undo breaking potential changes
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> ^yeah, so currently muon will eat puppies if you for example mark libgtk2.0-bin for removal and unmark software-center for removal and proceed. All it'll do is say that it will break in the konsole output :P
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> Nothing new, but...
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> use at your own risk :)
[20:12] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: s/puppies/kittens
[20:12] <shadeslayer> or maybe the Amarok devs ate all the kittens
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> At the very least, if you try to unmark an "essential" package in muon, you'll get a confirmation dialog, but otherwise all gaurantees for safety are off
[20:13] <shadeslayer> lex79: you didnt look at qtcreator :(
[20:15] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: btw ubuntu-dev says that desktopcouch needs to be uploaded to maverick first
[20:15] <shadeslayer> so need to post a debdiff for that first
[20:25] <oxymoron> How do I fix this: http://pastebin.com/Gt5hQFkk
[20:41] <txwikinger> oxymoron: missing library?
[20:42] <oxymoron> txwikinger: What library? :P
[20:43] <txwikinger> something with github
[20:52] <Riddell> kdepim 4.5 needing packaging
[20:58] <Riddell> koffice too
[21:04] <lex79> Riddell: why you added debian/include with private headers in qtcreator? didn't want build?
[21:05] <Riddell> lex79: qtcreator uses headers which are private to Qt and shouldn't be generally installed
[21:05] <Riddell> upstream ship it with its own Qt build for binary and with its own copy of Qt sources for source
[21:05] <lex79> ok thanks
[21:16] <neversfelde> too hot to sleep
[21:16] <neversfelde> Riddell: I can do koffice
[21:18] <Riddell> lovely, thanks neversfelde
[21:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: :o
[21:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ill do kdepim
[21:21] <shadeslayer> but! you will have to help with kopete :)
[21:24]  * shadeslayer doesnt know where kdepim is
[21:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[21:25] <shadeslayer> ah nvm
[21:25]  * shadeslayer is doing kdepim
[21:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think for kdepim put the packaging in bzr and the packages in experimental PPA
[21:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok..
[21:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: pdebuild is online and using up my connection :P
[21:41] <Riddell> what's that?
[21:41] <neversfelde> 29 degrees celsius at 23 pm, that's really not cold
[21:42] <jussi> right, Ive got a grumble with  notifications... where is the cake man?
[21:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: pdebuild! debuild in pbuilder :P
[21:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hows akademy ?
[21:43] <Riddell> groovy
[21:43] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:44] <mime11> hello there, well i was going to /etc/pulse/daemon text file for enabling my 5.1 audio, for changing the 2 channels by the 6, but the files doesnt exist, what i am suposed to do :( i ise kubuntu 10.04 lts, thanx all
[21:44] <shadeslayer> mime11: support in #kubuntu
[21:44] <jussi> if you get a message with kopete, then a second soon after, it comes up with the first message and the writing +1 more message. that is entirely useless - the popup needs to tell me the message so I can decide to click on it or not. NOT truncate it.
[21:44] <jussi> Riddell: have a good trip?
[21:45] <mime11> oops sorry
[21:45] <mime11> cya thnx
[21:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ive named the tarball with version 4.4.90
[21:46] <shadeslayer> or should it be 85? ( its beta 1
[21:50] <Riddell> jussi: just photo blogged, including the by request of Tm_T photo http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4266
[21:50] <jussi> :D
[21:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we don't know yet, upstream used the wrong tar name and dirk asked him to rename but he hasn't done so yet
[21:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well.. ok,ill just keep 4.490 for now,and upload when they correct it
[21:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i hear they have orange KDE T Shirts there :D
[21:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: oo so many familiar faces there... I will never forgive myself for not being there ):
[21:52] <jussi> Riddell: awesome, just awesome
[21:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: go with 4.4.85, we can always up it but it's harder to lower it
[21:52] <shadeslayer> ok
[21:53] <Riddell> Tm_T: busy all week?
[21:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i wont upload till they release a number tho :D
[21:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: t-shirts are blue (orange is staff only), and cost 12 euro
[21:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: been in flu and really heavy cough for over a week now, still continuing
[21:53] <Mamarok> lex79: the pacakge still doesn't install
[21:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i know the cost.. but nsm says that the blue ones are not good :P
[21:54] <jussi> Tm_T: have you looked at the last pic?
[21:54] <Tm_T> ye, lovely
[21:54] <Tm_T> only half hug-a-finn points earned though!
[21:55] <Riddell> why?  that was a full on hug!
[21:55] <jussi> Im only half a finn...
[21:55] <Tm_T> but I don't see jussi as traditional finnish in that sense, he's too huggable!
[21:55] <jussi> :P
[21:55]  * Tm_T huggles jussi
[21:56] <jussi> :D
[21:56] <jussi> Im a big bear :P
[21:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im getting 404 on main archive packages:P
[22:02] <Riddell> sudo apt-get update  usually helps
[22:03] <shadeslayer> hmm
[22:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also... apturl support for rekonq should be in git after rekonq 0.5 .. if adjam approves my patches :P
[22:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/sskadgH1
[22:08] <shadeslayer> still fails
[22:21] <shadeslayer> dpkg-source: info: using source format `1.0' << in kdepim from bzr packaging 0_0
[22:23] <shadeslayer> ok .. wrong folder :P
[22:23] <neversfelde> mhh
[22:40] <shadeslayer> lex79: poke
[22:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw where is that apturl-kde desktop file located?
[23:47] <lex79> Mamarok: the package still need build https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+build/1850779
[23:48] <lex79> it starts in 19 hours
[23:48] <lex79> lol
[23:50] <Mamarok> ah, OK, I will wait then :)
[23:52] <lex79> maybe NCommander ^ can raise the score a bit :)


[10:16] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[10:16] <ShapeShifter499> how do you guys feel about the deteriorating state of privacy in ubuntu with 13.10?


[00:50] <callmepk> good morning
[03:41] <jamesh> hi callmepk
[06:10] <jibel> Good morning
[06:14] <jamesh> hi jibel
[06:16] <jibel> Hi jamesh
[06:50] <duflu> Hi jibel and jamesh
[06:50] <duflu> and callmepk :)
[08:06] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[08:10] <didrocks> good morning!
[08:11] <didrocks> and happy new year!
[08:13] <marcustomlinson> hey didrocks, happy new year
[08:16] <didrocks> thanks, you too marcustomlinson :)
[08:18] <jibel> Salut didrocks marcustomlinson
[08:20] <marcustomlinson> salut jibel
[08:24] <didrocks> salut jibel
[08:36] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson and didrocks
[08:43] <marcustomlinson> hey duflu
[08:46] <didrocks> hey duflu
[09:02] <Laney> ah
[09:03] <Laney> how does this thing work?
[09:03] <marcustomlinson> lleho Laney \
[09:04] <marcustomlinson> gttig uesd to kyebaord
[09:06] <Laney> lol
[09:06] <Laney> I just mashed some keyboard shortcut and deleted an email thread
[09:06] <Laney> moin marcustomlinson
[09:11] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[09:14] <Laney> sup didrocks, happy new year!
[09:14] <Laney> did you have a good break?
[09:16] <didrocks> happy new year Laney  :) The break was good, even if felt short as everyday was a day of house building work :p
[09:16] <didrocks> and you?
[09:23] <duflu> Hi Laney, happy new year
[09:33] <Laney> didrocks: didn't do too much, same as most people I guess ;-) but was relaxing enough
[09:33] <Laney> hope the house is getting ready
[09:33] <Laney> hey duflu, happy new year to you
[13:31] <ItzSwirlz> Good morning from the east coast (US) :D
[13:52] <oerheks> hi ItzSwirlz, from the EU westcoast
[13:52] <oerheks> = nl
[14:04] <kenvandine> Happy New Year desktoppers
[14:06] <marcustomlinson> hey kenvandine
[14:06] <marcustomlinson> happy new year
[14:08] <ItzSwirlz> happy new year. Since this is the desktop team, has anyone considered packaging gnome-tour?
[14:10] <ItzSwirlz> Rust packaging is probably new to the Debian GNOME team and they might want to package fractal (matrix client) first.
[15:52] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers and happy new year!
[15:53] <kenvandine> hellsworth: happy new year!
[15:53] <hellsworth> hey there kenvandine!
[16:01] <didrocks999> happy new year hellsworth!
[16:01] <hellsworth> hey there didrocks999 !
[16:14] <Laney> ItzSwirlz: no, I think people didn't consider it worth it because we have a customised UI so it would need altering. and nobody decided we should do that yet
[16:14] <Laney> might be nice @ Debian though, maybe you want to work on that :>
[16:14] <Laney> hey hellsworth, did you have a good holiday?
[16:14] <ItzSwirlz> Agreeable, we could patch it-jk. I might do Debian I guess. I've been looking at gnome-internet-radio-locator but I think fractal first :v
[16:16] <Laney> that one's in the snap store and flathub at least, so depends how much you like things to be .debs
[16:16] <ItzSwirlz> I'll look at fractal and packages. What I'm also concerned is cargo.
[16:16] <ItzSwirlz> Cargo is like pip for rust but it's a bit more complicated-it builds and installs packages for you. a.k.a itm ight mean we'd then want rust-gtk bindings packaged.
[16:16] <Laney> for rust stuff more generally, I believe there is a Debian rust team
[16:17] <ItzSwirlz> It exists
[16:17] <ItzSwirlz> (on salsa)
[16:17] <hellsworth> oh hey Laney yes i did! thanks for asking.. you?
[16:17] <Laney> as good as it could be :p
[16:18] <Laney> got introduced to https://boardgamearena.com/
[16:18] <Laney> it has some actual good games on there, had fun playing those with friends
[16:19] <hellsworth> woah Laney this looks amazing!
[16:19] <hellsworth> (clearly you know i have a boardgame obsession :)
[16:19] <Laney> :D
[16:19] <Laney> we should make a club with didrocks999
[16:20] <didrocks999> definitively :)
[16:22] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth, happy new year
[16:23] <hellsworth> hi marcustomlinson !!!
[16:23] <hellsworth> Laney: i love that idea!
[16:23] <hellsworth> not a boardgame but the three of us could play tuxkart together :P
[16:24] <ItzSwirlz> taking a while w/ cargo with 595 deps. Technically we could package Fractal whenever but for now I'll wait.
[16:25] <didrocks999> or… bringing back to life the tetrinet challenge at each sprint/UDS!
[16:26] <Laney> that reference is too old even for me
[16:26] <Laney> :O
[16:27] <didrocks999> you have definitively missed the best! :)
[16:27] <didrocks999> … well, it was probably also a french thingy thinking of it
[16:28] <didrocks999> and if you want to see seb being reallllyyyy competitive… this is it!
[16:30] <hellsworth> next sprint needs to contain something like this for sure!
[16:31] <didrocks999> heh :)
[16:43] <Laney> cheese club, beer club, games club
[16:43] <Laney> these are the ones I am interested in
[16:48] <marcustomlinson> cheeeeese 🤤
[16:53] <hellsworth> i'm on board for all of those too!!
[22:12] <linuxr> hi there, is anyone using "anbox"?


[19:04] <PeGaSuS> I've already asked this and I've already got an answer. but I forgot to save it. where do I set the global "default screen" for all users?
[19:06] <PeGaSuS> should I create an `/etc/skel/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml`?
[19:09] <PeGaSuS> basically, my "test laptop" has a broken screen so I "attached" it to an external VGA monitor. but I want that monitor to be used everywhere, including the login screen
[19:10] <PeGaSuS> because currently if I go to the left border of the login screen I go to the "extended screen" which doesn't exist because there's no second monitor
[19:20] <tomreyn> !irclogs | PeGaSuS
[19:24] <PeGaSuS> the problem is that I don't remember when I made the question :x
[19:33] <PeGaSuS> seems that creating `/etc/skel/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml` solves the issue for all users after login. for the login screen, no worries since we just need to go to the left with the mouse and the login screen will appear


 valorie is was just one person tweeting. nothing from Valve officially.
 plus SteamOS has been Debian based for a while.
[01:07] <valorie> right, nothing official
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/4qLKzD3j/file_16071.jpg
 I'm still amazed by working public transportation.
[02:02] <Eickmeyer> valorie, @ahoneybun: At Valve, there's no such thing as a heirarchy, so that's about as official as it's going to get. There's no official PR person there. Everyone is an equal except for Gabe, that's the way the company runs.
 Mm I don't trust it.
[02:03] <valorie> we'll see what happens
 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/06/steam-announces-that-its-dropping-support-for-ubuntu
 :(
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[11:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Starting build #2 for job iso_eoan_stable_amd64 (previous build: FAILURE)
[12:10] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:46]  * DarinMiller is waiting for Santa's completed network project pics...
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[14:52] <DarinMiller> Rik, regarding the Steam/Wine requiring 32b libraries.  I assume it would be possible to identlfy the subset of 32b libs for each wine/steam and just build those ilbraries?
 Many things are possible
[14:53] <DarinMiller> Or is the issue more complicated where 32b ilbs are interdependent and require cascading builds...
 Fwd from acheronuk: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/i386-architecture-will-be-dropped-starting-with-eoan-ubuntu-19-10/11263/84 … ```vorlon: I’m sorry that we’ve given anyone the impression that we are “dropping support for i386 applications”. That’s simply not the case. What we are dropping is updates to the i386 libraries, which will be frozen at the 18.04 LTS versions. But there is every intention to ensure that t
[14:58] <DarinMiller> that's much better news than what's popping up in the "knee jerk reporting with no investigation" media sites.
 @IrcsomeBot, YES. I was about to post them yesterday in the night but I was so tired
 So, let's go, general map:
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/8bLfOiV0/file_16089.jpg
 Quick Spanish - English lesson: XD
 almacén - storage room
 :)
 sala (de estar) - living room
 cocina - kitchen
 attic - ático
 I like how you use a cognate for "velocities" when talking about network speed 😆
 I mean, it's technically accurate, because speed = velocity
 dormitorio (dor.) - sleeping room
 tejado - roof
 piedra - stone
 piso - floor
 bajo - "0th floor" (not sure what's the correct word in English)
 ground floor
 thank you. and indeed: velocidad - speed
 cable roto - broken cable
 todo bien - all good, or "it's all good"
 caja de registro - junction box
 toma rj-45 - rj-45 plug (wall plug)
 and I think that's it wrt translations, if you have doubts just ask
 once I realized it was side view vs top down, most everything was self explanatory
 Yep, so the thing is: internet comes from the street to the living room, which is where the router is located:
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/j2KMjvv8/file_16090.jpg
 very clean so far :)
 from there there is an ethernet cable which goes to the room marked in the "map" as "vd. está aquí" (meaning "you are here", because that's also where the board with the "map" is located):
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/hDFCCmDM/file_16091.jpg
 and as you can see there, there is a panel with 6 rj-45 plugs which works as a "patch panel" of a server room in a (serious) business building
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/cVdX3hM7/file_16092.jpg
 as you can see, right now I just connected the living room with one room from the attic
 Also, as you can imagine I could put a switch and connect all the house, but I don't want to do it right now, because that would be adding a "single point of failure" for nothing. In other words, I can use a switch *only* if I want.
 So... finally there is an ethernet cable from the patch panel to the attic, which is where the "groomlake" server is located:
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/NDzVWiZX/file_16093.jpg
 Before that I had that server wireless connected, not cool. Now is much better.
 Some details about the "patch panel":
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/Lnzdn4A5/file_16094.jpg
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/gfQ5q0Lb/file_16095.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/AqDZBkTX/file_16096.jpg
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/Zf00IyKT/file_16097.jpg
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/j00S6uP6/file_16098.jpg
 very nice
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/7qh2jium/file_16099.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/bK2CP2tZ/file_16100.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/4Ec03IwW/file_16101.jpg
 And that's it. I hope you liked it. It took so much effort but it was worth it.
 I keep debating to do something similar in my house, but all the speed dependent devices are within cable range of the router.  The TV is on the other side of the house and could use a hard line, but seems like a lot of work for something I use infequently.
[17:15] <mparillo> Is it pedantic to say that Americans say Velocity is a vector, while Speed is a scalar?
 For the few Americans who have taken a physics course, your statemnet holds true.  However, I suspect that's less than 1% of the American population has taken physica... so I would not gernailize thatas  an "American" assumption. :)
[17:43] <mparillo> So far, we are at !00%. OK, sample size of 2.
 so regarding kcalc and the new mpfr depens, does that mean libmpfr-dev/disco needs added to https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kcalc/tree/debian/control?
 @DarinMiller, Its a change in KCalc master branch, so that would need to be added in our kubuntu_unstable packaging branch
[18:05] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project disco_unstable_kcalc build #63: FAILURE in 8 min 8 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/disco_unstable_kcalc/63/
 So here... https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kcalc/tree/debian/control?h=kubuntu_unstable
 yep
 any idea why "git clone kp:kalc" is throwing "fatal: remote error: Repository '~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kalc' not found."?
 my .gitconfig file has this for kp: [url<EMAIL_ADDRESS>  insteadof = kp:
 nm, kcalc not kalc
 https://code.launchpad.net/~darinmiller/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kcalc/+merge/369214
 it's been awhile, so I suspect I may have missed something...
 @DarinMiller, You did something odd with dch, as you created a whole new changelog.dch file
 also woul be better to change the version to 19.07.70-0ubuntu1 so it does not look like a change for the current stable apps release
 my notes said to use "dch" in the commit proccess, then I was prompted to use nano and accidently killed nano....
 killing nano would do it!
 when I tried to run dch again it said a dch file existed to I just edited the .dch file manually.
 @acheronuk, How/where do I do I change the version?
 you could change it manually when doing the rest of the changelog, or you could start dch with ```dch -v 4:19.07.70-0ubuntu1```
 @DarinMiller in your new commit, you have somehow added a space at the beginning of the  of the kcalc (4:19.04.2-0ubuntu1) eoan; urgency=medium …  line
 Wowie, taking libs from 18.04 is even weirder idea
 Canonical, what are you doin? Stop that rn
 Meanwhile got my qtwebengine 5.13 built against the 5.12 Qt. Still needs some work to have a proper package, but I'm eager to test already
 ok, I'm back
 I think this one is fixed... https://code.launchpad.net/~darinmiller/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kcalc/+merge/369215
 @DarinMiller, still got the broken space
 weird... checking....
 (Photo, 715x279) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/nlhbL0ip/file_16107.jpg
 oh! that's what you meant.... fixing...
 and again.... https://code.launchpad.net/~darinmiller/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kcalc/+merge/369216
 merged
 \o/
 :)
 I blindly followed your suggestion for the version naming (4:19.07.70-0ubuntu1) .  Where should I have looked to know 19.07.07 vs 19.08.00 and -0ubuntu1 vs 0ubuntu2 or 0ubuntu3?
 @DarinMiller, Its the current apps version in kde master branches … e.g. https://cgit.kde.org/kcalc.git/tree/CMakeLists.txt … set (KDE_APPLICATIONS_VERSION_MAJOR "19") … set (KDE_APPLICATIONS_VERSION_MINOR "07") … set (KDE_APPLICATIONS_VERSION_MICRO "70")
 when 19.08 beta gets done, that will bumpt to 19.07.80
 0ubuntu1 because it is the 1st ubuntu revision
 https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/17183919
 wow, that was fast
 why 0 in front of "0ubuntu1".  What would cause a rev of that number?
 that is the debian revision. 0 because they haven't released one yet
 👍
[20:53] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[20:53] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project disco_unstable_kcalc build #64: FIXED in 21 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/disco_unstable_kcalc/64/
 @DarinMiller, wrt family debates, note that I got that whiteboard expressely for that XD
 that being said interesting test rebuild race going on:
 http://tritemio-groomlake.ddns.net/build-status/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp3/ubuntu-exp3_status_frameworks.html
 http://tritemio-area51.ddns.net/build-status/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp3/ubuntu-exp3_status_frameworks.html
 spoiler: groomlake is going to win
 What are the differences between the 2?
 groomlake is more modern am4 based area51 is a bit older am3 based
 also the former has better power supply and better motherboard, but some time ago they were somewhat par
 I have the impression a bios update improved the groomlake performance but I'm not completely sure
 strange.  I have never heard of BIOS update contributing to a perf improvement.  All the updates I see are crash preventions and HW compatiblity.
 or maybe it was a change in the bios config, or maybe I wasn't paying enough attention to the perf the diff
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[23:10] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project eoan_stable_okteta build #9: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/eoan_stable_okteta/9/
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[04:38] <pleia2> mhall119: didn't have summaries from you this week, so I just cribbed from the youtube descriptions (and I remembered the episodes existed, gold star) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue380#Featured_Audio_and_Video
[04:38] <pleia2> publishing tomorrow afternoon in case you want to add anything before then
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[13:56] <mhall119> pleia2: sorry about that, thanks for grabbing the video at least
[15:04] <mhall119> dholbach: balloons: call?
[15:04] <dholbach> mhall119, yep, we're waiting :)
[15:05] <mhall119> what? I'm there
[18:58] <bkerensa> popey: did you realize you are on oscon.com btw?
[19:07] <popey> bkerensa: haha, no
[19:09] <bkerensa> popey: yeah you are shown doing a phone demo
[19:11] <bkerensa> popey: http://awesomescreenshot.com/06f3ddbs69
[19:12] <popey> hah lol
[19:12] <popey> thanks for pointing me out ☻