[04:05] <Geocosm> How do I make vlc my preferred multimedia application? It's not listed in Preferred Applications.
[04:18] <Geocosm> I figured it out, I guess. Not really ideal. If I go through every file type and r-click and open with and then pick VLC and check remember this for this filetype it works.
[04:18] <Geocosm> Annoying I can't just set vlc as default for all filetypes.
[04:21] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=243978
[04:21] <holstein> Geocosm:  ^^
[04:22] <holstein> its an oldie :)
[04:22] <holstein> might work though
[04:24] <Geocosm> ah you win, holstein! wxvlc. I was just doing "vlc".
[04:24] <Geocosm> I figured that worked for gnome-do it'd work for the preferred applications command heh. Guess not.
[04:27] <holstein> Geocosm: it was news to me
[04:27] <holstein> ive used cvlc
[04:27] <Geocosm> interesting.
[04:30] <Geocosm> !nice
[04:30] <ubot2> 'Nice' is a property of a process that determines how willing it is to give CPU time to other processes.  A higher value makes it more likely to give away time.  A negative value makes it less likely. Values are from -19 to 19, with 0 being the default.  For more information, type 'man nice' at a terminal.
[04:31] <Geocosm> I was wondering why pulseaudio was being mean.
[04:32] <holstein> how so?
[04:32] <Geocosm> It's -11
[04:32] <holstein> maybe an effort to keep it from clicking
[04:32] <holstein> and popping
[04:32] <Geocosm> Tough love.
[07:26] <r4y> Hello
[07:26] <r4y> Hello nit wit
[07:26] <r4y> he he he he
[07:27] <nit-wit> howdeeee
[07:27] <r4y> Howdee
[07:30] <r4y> I want to know, how do I find out what the links are for torrents I have running in Deluge?, I can't remember where exactly where I downloaded them. Is there an easy way to know?, I am asking this because I am switching hard drives and I am going to re-install Ubuntu on this hard drive.
[07:31] <nit-wit> do you mean the sources of the torrents?
[07:32] <seidos> i couldn't figure out how to do it in transmission
[07:33] <r4y> I don't know the name for it.
[07:33] <r4y> I would guess that the answer is yes
[07:34] <r4y> source being where I found the download link to have Deluge use to open the torrent, download and upload eventually, so yes
[07:35] <r4y> I also use Transmission. Their both great torrent clients
[07:35] <bioterror> ls ~/Downloads
[07:36] <r4y> ray@ray-desktop:~$ >ls ~/Downloads bash: /home/ray/Downloads: is a directory ray@ray-desktop:~$
[07:37] <r4y> I know the links aren't under the download directory
[07:37] <bioterror> then we cant know your configurations
[07:37] <bioterror> chromium stores all the .torrent files I've used to ~/Downloads/
[07:38] <r4y> I will look
[07:38] <bioterror> sudo find / |grep .torrent
[07:38] <r4y> OK
[07:39] <seidos> o_o
[07:39] <r4y> Ha ha ha, love the smily face
[07:40] <r4y> Wow, it spuwd out loads of infortmation
[07:40] <r4y> information
[07:40] <r4y> I meant
[07:42] <r4y> OK, how do I make it show me this one page at a time?, It would even be better if I could go up and down a page as many times as I want with out having to do it again. I always wanted to know how to do that. I once tried the less and more option commands but they didn't do what I wnated when I tried them before
[07:43] <r4y> Maybe I should grep Deluge or deluge
[07:43] <seidos> r4y you could try sudo find / | grep .torrent | less
[07:44] <r4y> OK, I will try that
[07:45] <r4y> I guess I don't know how to apply options for commands, I find the manual hard to understand how to use when trying to apply a chain of commands and options
[07:45] <r4y> but I have been getting better at it
[07:45] <seidos> r4y: i believe locate *.torrent would be better
[07:45] <r4y> OK
[07:46] <r4y> Mabye this:
[07:46] <r4y> oops
[07:46] <r4y> "/home/ray/.config/deluge/state/c7dbc78acab357f4f74f835b67a41ad902d90bda.torrent"
[07:46] <r4y> I forgot quotes
[07:47] <r4y> I am looking through it
[07:47] <seidos> r4y: where do you save your torrent files?  just back them up somewhere for the install.
[07:47] <seidos> then you won't need the torrent urls
[07:48] <seidos> i was looking for torrent urls earlier to see if i could share it with someone
[07:48] <r4y> I save them in home, but I want the urls so I can seed back
[07:48] <r4y> I have already backed them up to the other hard drive yesterday
[07:49] <r4y> Thank you for the help so far
[07:50] <r4y> Let this be a lesson to me. Always save the links for torrents or what ever they are called
[07:50] <nit-wit> you can set deluge to save the torrent sig where ever you want
[07:51] <r4y> K
[07:51] <r4y> I will look
[07:54] <r4y> Is that possible by going to? preferences, Downloads, copy of .torrents files to
[07:54] <r4y> If so then I can do it by hand
[07:55] <r4y> I will try that option and see
[07:56] <r4y> Hmm, I need a little more time on this.
[07:59] <nit-wit> r4y, yeah thats it.
[07:59] <r4y> OK, I am going to do an experiment but I will have to leave this connection and come back
[08:00] <r4y> but I didn't find any files for download links for deluge to use where I set it to be using that feature
[08:00] <r4y> I am going to try something else though
[08:00] <r4y> I will be back
[08:01] <seidos> ah, i bet opening the torrent with a text editor would work
[08:03] <seidos> er, hmmm, nope
[08:03] <seidos> well gedit can't read a torrent file
[08:14] <bioterror> seidos, it's a binary file ;)
[08:15] <seidos> bioterror: you can keep that
[08:16] <bioterror> seidos, try a hex editor :D
[08:17] <seidos> don't have one
[08:27] <r4y> Ha
[08:28] <r4y> It worked
[08:29] <r4y> I took the folder called deluge from the .config folder and copied to my flash drive then went to my other hard drive and dropped it in the same place on my other hard drive, then I opened Deluge and it was all there
[08:30] <r4y> including the percentages for how much was downloaded, but I am going to force check on all of them anyways
[08:30] <r4y> where is nit wit and the other dude?
[08:31] <r4y> o well, anyways it worked
[08:32] <seidos> cool
[08:32] <r4y> Ya, I know what to do now
[08:32] <seidos> i didn't really know what you wanted at first
[08:32] <r4y> Thank you for your help. I will put the commands you guys suggested into a text file as always
[08:33] <r4y> It's ok, I am always willing to try to explain it in as many was as I can because I have a hard time explaining what I want to say
[08:34] <r4y> and  I have a hard time understanding what's said as well
[08:34] <r4y> but over the years I get better at it
[08:34] <r4y> but I always make mistakes
[08:34] <r4y> but sometimes that can be funny
[08:35] <seidos> i guess to you the url's and the torrent files are the same, or at least that's what you thought
[08:35] <r4y> I am coffeed up, so I am sorry if I am some what talkative
[08:36] <r4y> ha talkative is a word?, spell checker didn't say it was miss spelled
[08:36] <r4y> Know, that's not what I thought.
[08:36] <geirha> It is. :)
[08:37] <seidos> r2d2y
[08:37] <r4y> Ooops, I thought you meant something else
[08:37] <r4y> just now that is
[08:37] <seidos> r4y: with whom are you speaking?
[08:37] <r4y> both of you
[08:38] <r4y> He said It is.
[08:38] <r4y> And that was in reply to both of us
[08:38] <r4y> I thought
[08:38] <seidos> i see
[08:38] <geirha> It was a response to "talkative is a word?" :)
[08:40] <r4y> I thought you were thinking by your(seidos) last statement that I think a torrent that is downloade that can be so many MB to GB is the same thing as a torrent link, and I know that isn't true
[08:40] <seidos> r4y: the .torrent file is not MB to GB.
[08:40] <r4y> right, I know that
[08:40] <r4y> which I am trying to state I know
[08:41] <r4y> I found, give me a sec
[08:41] <seidos> oh no, i said URL=.torrent
[08:41] <seidos> er, that's what i think you were thinking
[08:41] <seidos> it doesn't really matter now, i could be wrong, i am hazarding a guess based on what you typed earlier
[08:41] <seidos> not that .torrent=torrent-data
[08:42] <r4y> There is a file called torrents state that has links in it that only a torrent client can handle because I put on of them into firefox and it said so, so I now know that as well
[08:43] <r4y> It's cool, I just want to state that I am not computer illiterate, but I have my times of being completely confused.
[08:43] <seidos> i feel you on that one r4y
[08:44] <r4y> I am computer Illiterate to a certain extent.
[08:45] <r4y> Recently I started using IRC channels on networks.
[08:45] <r4y> It fun, and I don't want to be in the way
[08:45] <r4y> I think I know what flooding means
[08:46] <r4y> It's when to much text floods in
[08:46] <r4y> talkative doesn't sound like a real word to me
[08:47] <r4y> Heck to me polyrhythm is a word. Look it up on Google but it is not correct in Googles spell checker
[08:48] <r4y> It is more then one rhythm being played at the same time, where as a linear rhythm is where only one note is played at any given time.
[08:49] <seidos> i'm not sure what polyrhythm sounds like
[08:49] <r4y> Any drum beat, except drum beats that only have one note at a time.
[08:50] <r4y> So if a drummer plays a bass drum note and a crash cymbal note at the same time then it is a polyrhythm
[08:50] <r4y> and so forth
[08:51] <r4y> I can find a link for both.
[08:55] <r4y> My internet is slow
[08:55] <seidos> hmmm, so just multiple beats, basically?
[08:55] <r4y> Yep
[08:56] <r4y> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pidPJs15CrM
[08:57] <r4y> 3 against 4
[08:57] <r4y> That and many others, but most beats are considered polyrhythms
[08:57] <seidos> 3 against 4?
[08:59] <r4y> Yes, 3 against 4. 3 beats per measure with 4 beats per measure.
[09:01] <r4y> I started by doing 12 and accenting every 3rd note and playing the bass drum on every 4th note to make 3 against 4
[09:01] <r4y> and vice versa
[09:01] <seidos> hmmmm
[09:02] <r4y> 3 against 4 doesn't have to be 3 notes per measure with 4 notes per measure, but it is a way to explain it
[09:02] <r4y> It can be slower or faster
[09:05] <seidos> mmm k
[09:05] <seidos> i used to want to learn drums.  i lost my drum pad
[09:06] <Jomik> Heyoo all, I deleted my network connections widget by mistake and I can't see how I get it back?
[09:06] <r4y> Get drum instead. drum pads don't sound good unless you get a practice pad that sort of sounds like a snare drum
[09:07] <r4y> Right click your top panel
[09:07] <r4y> add to panel
[09:07] <Jomik> tried
[09:07] <Jomik> it isn't there
[09:07] <r4y> notification area
[09:08] <r4y> Hmm
[09:08] <r4y> Give me a little while
[09:09] <Jomik> Tyvm mate :D
[09:09] <geirha> Jomik: If you haven't customized it too much, you could just reset the panels to default
[09:09] <Jomik> It was notification area
[09:09] <Jomik> geirha, where? XD I haven't customized it at all, but it's back now - would still like to know though
[09:09] <r4y> How?
[09:09] <geirha> !panels
[09:09] <ubot2> To reset the gnome panel to defaults, type this in a !terminal: « gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel »
[09:10] <Jomik> !terminal
[09:10] <ubot2> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[09:10] <Jomik> XD
[09:10] <Jomik> rorfl
[09:10] <Jomik> rofl*
[09:10] <Jomik> ty geirha
[09:10] <Jomik> and r4y :D
[09:10] <r4y> does that command include this character?:»
[09:10] <Jomik> no
[09:10] <Jomik> it starts with it too
[09:11] <Jomik> quotation marks XD
[09:11] <r4y> " »"»"»"»
[09:11] <Jomik> :o
[09:13] <geirha> « » is useful to separate shell code from other text on irc.
[09:13] <geirha> Using " " or ' '  is ambigious since those quotes are part of shell syntax
[09:14] <r4y> Too many commands saved on my computer, I am overloading, overloading, wait I am overloading. OK, alomst done overloading. OK, now I am done overllloadddinnngg.
[09:14] <duanedesign> hello geirha
[09:14] <Jomik> lol'd
[09:14] <r4y> "/"/"/"/" yep
[09:14] <geirha> duanedesign: hello :)
[09:14] <MrChrisDruif> r4y: offtopic man
[09:15] <r4y> I know. Sorry for sharing my overloading.
[09:15] <r4y> and drum stuf
[09:15] <Jomik> lol
[09:15] <seidos> i found the drum stuff interesting
[09:15] <Jomik> O
[09:15] <Jomik> Is it possible to password protect folders/dirs?
[09:16] <MrChrisDruif> Badum, tsh
[09:16] <Geocosm> How'd you make those arrow things?
[09:16] <MrChrisDruif> seidos: Might be interesting, but offtopic I presume
[09:16] <Geocosm> >><<
[09:16] <Geocosm> >>>>>>
[09:16] <seidos>  MrChrisDruif 0
[09:17] <r4y> >> is not the same the ones he used were small, right?
[09:17] <Geocosm> Yeah I can't make them.
[09:17] <Jomik> you copy paste! :D
[09:17] <Geocosm> I don't want to copypasta every time I talk about terminal commands. :(
[09:17] <r4y> That's how I did.
[09:17] <duanedesign> r4y: have you been using CLI Companion at all?
[09:17] <MrChrisDruif> Geocosm: Use gucharmap I guess
[09:17] <Jomik> I think it's ALT + 0171 and ALT + 0178
[09:17] <Jomik> numbers on numpad
[09:17] <Geocosm> gucharmap you!
[09:18] <MrChrisDruif> ??
[09:18] <Jomik> yeah
[09:18] <r4y> Not yet, but it is great and I will be installing it on every install I make now
[09:18] <Geocosm> nothing is happening.
[09:18] <Jomik> Hold down ALT and press 0171 or 0187 on your numpad
[09:18] <duanedesign> ;3~
[09:18] <Jomik> Geocosm, do it in a notespad or something
[09:18] <geirha> Jomik: Maybe one of these answers will help: http://askubuntu.com/questions/27770/is-there-a-tool-to-encrypt-a-file-or-directory
[09:19] <duanedesign> r4y: if you have any questions about it or features you would like to see let me know
[09:19] <geirha> In my keyboard layout I type Alt gr+Z and X to get «»
[09:20] <Geocosm> What's gr?
[09:20] <r4y> Yesterday I meant to say that the command I wanted to find for clearing out DNS was there which I pasted here
[09:20] <geirha> Alt Group, the Alt key on the right hand side
[09:20] <Jomik> the key "Alt Gr"
[09:21] <geirha> If you have a compose key you can type Compose < <
[09:21] <Jomik> looking geirha
[09:21] <r4y> I should checkout all the commands that are listed in CLI Companion sometime in Google.
[09:21] <Geocosm> I have a Razer Lycosa.
[09:22] <geirha> Another way to type « and »  is to use the unicode number (00ab and 00bb) e.g. ctrl+shift+u ab <space>
[09:22] <Geocosm> « ha!
[09:22] <MrChrisDruif> «» <= these Geocosm?
[09:23] <Geocosm> I'll never remember that. « »
[09:23] <Jomik> ab
[09:23] <Jomik> Huh what geirha? XD
[09:24] <Jomik> «
[09:24] <Jomik> OH
[09:24] <Jomik> XD
[09:24] <Jomik> Ty
[09:24] <MrChrisDruif> !flood | Jomik
[09:24] <ubot2> Jomik: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[09:24] <Geocosm> !fleed | MrChrisDruif
[09:24] <ubot2> Factoid 'fleed' not found
[09:24] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[09:25] <Geocosm> I"m not even drunk «
[09:25] <r4y> I wish I was
[09:25] <Jomik> !fly | MrChrisDruif
[09:25] <ubot2> Factoid 'fly' not found
[09:25] <Jomik> :(
[09:25] <MrChrisDruif> Geocosm: I tried to explain to Jomik that those multi-line things aren't always liked by everyone (including me)
[09:26] <r4y> multi-line?
[09:26] <Geocosm> I was trying to point out the irony.
[09:26] <Jomik> Geirha, that link you sent me - I can't find "encrypt" in the menu?
[09:27] <geirha> Jomik: when you right-click a file or folder?
[09:27] <Jomik> r4y, I think he means that I posted 6 lines in less than a minute, and that ticked him off.
[09:27] <geirha> Jomik: Could be it's disabled if you don't have any pgp-keys stored.
[09:27] <Jomik> Geirha, I don't see anything like that :/ I see Compress
[09:28] <Jomik> Might be? XD
[09:28] <seidos> i want more beans
[09:28] <r4y> Encrypting scares me, because of the possibility of losing data, but I guess anytime I use my hard drive I should be scaried then, but at least make a backup
[09:28] <geirha> Jomik: Try creating a dummy pgp-key in Password and encryption keys.
[09:28] <r4y> I have a backup of everything
[09:28] <r4y> I understand not having the space though
[09:30] <Jomik> geirha, it needs my full name and email adress? why ? O.o
[09:30] <MrChrisDruif> r4y: multi-line aka what Jomik did between 10:23:54 && 10:24:09 CET
[09:31] <geirha> Jomik: Just write in some random stuff, but don't upload it to a key server. It's just for testing for now.
[09:31] <Jomik> Yeah, because I tested the shortcut to writing the « which didn't show before I actually pressed enter. :o
[09:31] <Jomik> geirha, I don't have a key server? XD
[09:32] <geirha> Jomik: Keys like that are used by Ubuntu developers. They can use them to sign packages and stuff, so you know they made them and not some malicious third-party.
[09:32] <Jomik> geirha: Kay XD I made one now, but it didn't show up anywhere O.o
[09:33] <geirha> Jomik: «My personal keys»
[09:33] <Jomik> Oh, yeah, I didn't finish making it, the popup got minimized XD
[09:35] <geirha> Jomik: a PGP-key is a pair. You have a secret part and a public part. When you make a "proper" key, you generally want to give the public key to people you know. With your public key, they can encrypt stuff with it, and the only way to decrypt it, is with the corresponding secret key.
[09:35] <MrChrisDruif> r4y: You understand what I mean?
[09:36] <Jomik> gairha: But if I just want to encrypt / password protect a directory so that I can only access it with some password.?
[09:36] <Jomik> And (sorry MrChrisDruif) why the hell does it take so long to generate a key <.<
[09:36] <r4y> I need to read it over, I am talking to duandesign on a private chat about CLI Companion
[09:36] <r4y> sorry
[09:36] <geirha> Jomik: Then you encrypt it with your own public key, at which point you can decrypt it with your secret key.
[09:36] <r4y> I will come back and read everything you wrote though
[09:37] <geirha> And the secret key is password protected.
[09:37] <MrChrisDruif> Jomik: The swiftness is dependent on key size and processing power
[09:37] <Jomik> I used very short strings T_T And I think I get it  :P
[09:38] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, very short strings is a good definition of flooding :D
[09:38] <geirha> Jomik: Yeah, I only meant to create that key for testing. Once you do it for real, use a long password (or actually passphrase). Mine is like 50 characters long :)
[09:39] <Jomik> MrChrisDruif - I meant for my PGP key .......................... And geirha: Wtf, 50 characters? XD
[09:40] <MrChrisDruif> Jomik: I don't remember....sorry :) Been too long back that I did that
[09:40] <geirha> Jomik: I'd like to see someone crack that :)
[09:41] <Jomik> geirha: Why would anyone bother trying? XD How many chinese characters?
[09:42] <geirha> Jomik: It's just a phrase by some famous person, where I've replaced a few characters and words, so it's easy for me to remember it.
[09:43] <Jomik> Aaah, still way much O.o Do you have encrypted directories on your computer then?
[09:44] <geirha> Jomik: Nah. I don't have files I need to keep THAT secure.
[09:45] <Jomik> What do you use it for then? O.o
[09:46] <geirha> To send and receive sensitive stuff over email. Which is otherwise very insecure.
[09:46] <Jomik> ahh
[10:48] <r4y> I think I understand what you meant MrChrisDruif. You were saying to use pastebin instead of flooding I think
[10:53] <r4y> MrChrisDruif left already. O well.
[11:12] <r4y> Hello MrChrisDuif
[11:12] <r4y> Was I right about what you meant?
[11:14] <redbox> r4y: You're probably right.
[11:14] <r4y> Ha ha, OK
[11:15] <r4y> The problem was I was talking to duanedesign when they were talking so I couldn't keep up
[11:15] <r4y> The problem was I was talking to duanedesign when they were talking so I couldn't keep up
[11:16] <MrChrisDruif> r4y: ???
[11:16] <MrChrisDruif> Was offline a few minutes..
[11:16] <r4y> Hello
[11:17] <r4y> I double posted because redbox disconnected and reconnected
[11:43] <r4y> Sorry I realize what happened
[11:44] <r4y> I said:
[11:44] <r4y> I think I understand what you meant MrChrisDruif. You were saying to use pastebin instead of flooding I think
[11:44] <r4y> But you were gone
[11:44] <MrChrisDruif> No, I meant flood....pastebin is for multi-line error messages
[11:45] <r4y> That's what I just said
[11:45] <MrChrisDruif> Well...we've got !flood and !paste
[11:45] <r4y> Well, I must be misunderstanding you
[11:46] <r4y> I meant use pastebin for pasting info that would otherwise flood this place
[11:46] <r4y> Wait, what?
[11:46] <r4y> What's that?
[11:46] <MrChrisDruif> Flood is for when someone is just flooding, sending a lot of messages. Paste is for multi-line error things which also flood...
[11:46] <MrChrisDruif> !paste | r4y
[11:46] <ubot2> r4y: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[11:46] <MrChrisDruif> !flood | r4y
[11:47] <r4y> OK then
[11:47] <MrChrisDruif> Hmmm....!flood got a bit of lag :P
[11:48] <r4y> I understood I think, I am somewhat of an asperger, but I have sort of grown out of it.
[11:49] <MrChrisDruif> Awesome :)
[11:49] <MrChrisDruif> r4y: Why don't you come to -team? It's our offtopic channel, this is our support channel (for problems)
[11:49] <r4y> I mean well, I and I know you mean well. It's all cool
[11:50] <MrChrisDruif> You and you? :P
[11:50] <r4y> OK, I was here for a problem I had and just staid because there weren't many people around. But I understand
[11:52] <r4y> ha ha, I just caught my typo
[11:52] <MrChrisDruif> It's always ok to lurk here to give assistance :)
[11:52] <r4y> I have a little up my sleeve, but you guys rock beyond my skills
[11:53] <r4y> for computer
[11:54] <MrChrisDruif> Who do you mean
[11:54] <MrChrisDruif> ?
[11:54] <r4y> you and other great computer geeks. I am a wanta be geek
[11:55] <MrChrisDruif> You can only help when you might know the answer, you might learn from teaching :)
[11:55] <MrChrisDruif> I almost always learn new things when I help others
[11:55] <r4y> I have. Someone usually comes along and know better answers
[11:57] <MrChrisDruif> You can learn from others as well :) What others might tell others you can learn from as well...
[11:57] <MrChrisDruif> And then you can tell it to someone else with the same problem :)
[11:57] <r4y> I learn so much everytime I come here and other place like here
[12:02] <MrChrisDruif> r4y: Might you be interested to have  single person to talk too, to answer your questions, to learn what you need to learn to become a member?
[12:02] <r4y> I am talking to someone now
[12:03] <MrChrisDruif> ;)
[12:03] <MrChrisDruif> Funny guy
[12:04] <r4y> I should have said 2 guys
[12:04] <r4y> And I don't mean that I am talking to myself
[12:07] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[12:08] <armagan> I have a problem at the likewise open , do you have that uses
[12:10] <r4y> Um, what?, Can you explain what you are trying to do?
[12:12] <MrChrisDruif> armagan: Redefine your question....we don't know what you mean :)
[12:13] <armagan> when I try joined the Active directory "Error: Lsass Error [code 0x00080047]5 (0x5) ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED - Access is denied"
[12:15] <r4y> Are you using Windows?
[12:16] <r4y> Are you having a dual boot problem or what?
[12:16] <MrChrisDruif> armagan: Are you trying to update?
[12:19] <armagan> no I m using Ubuntu
[12:20] <armagan> myproblem is likewise open app.
[12:21] <r4y> I've never heard of it sorry
[12:22] <bioterror> armagan, I assume you're doing it as a root?
[12:23] <bioterror> armagan, do you have priviledges to lift computer from workgroup to a domain?
[12:31] <r4y> Thank you guys for helping me.
[12:31] <r4y> I am going to go.
[14:58] <Jomik> Heya all. I just realized that my computer doesn't try to connect to a wireless connection automatically. How would I make it do that? XD
[14:59] <ddecator> are you using gnome?
[14:59] <Jomik> I believe so :D
[14:59] <Jomik> I'm not exactly sure what gnome is, but yeah, I'm using network-manager-gnome
[15:00] <ddecator> go up to the network applet in the top panel, right click and select "Edit Connections" (i think), find the connection you want, highlight it and click "Edit", then check the box that says to connect automatically
[15:00] <ddecator> gnome is what Ubuntu uses
[15:00] <ddecator> kde is Kubuntu, xfce is Xubuntu :)
[15:10] <Jomik> ddecator, ty, I just had to run for a bit XD I'm on Ubuntu, so yeah, gnome . I'll try to see if I can find it, I just couldn't find that before
[15:11] <Jomik> ddecator: It is enabled already, but when I came home today, it had lost connection and didn't try to connect even though it was present.
[15:13] <ddecator> could have been a one-time glitch
[15:23] <Jomik> Hopefully XD
[15:24] <Jomik> How did I check my ip again? iwconfig doesn't show it lol
[15:25] <bioterror> ifconfig
[15:25] <Jomik> rofl ty XD
[15:26] <bioterror> ipcconfig in windows and ifconfig on linux
[15:26] <Jomik> Yeah, what was iwconfig then? O.o
[15:27] <bioterror> for wlan
[15:27] <Jomik> ah
[15:27] <bioterror> you can adjust wlan networks and keys
[15:27] <Jomik> Ohh, yeah, I remember
[15:28] <Jomik> Okay, why can't my other computer see my linux one? Same network. I try to ping the IP and it says it's not available
[15:29] <bioterror> are you sure about network
[15:30] <Jomik> 100% sure we're on the same network.
[15:30] <Jomik> Both connected wirelessly
[15:30] <Jomik> and the computers are ~half a meter apart XD
[15:32] <bioterror> pastebin ip addresses
[15:33] <Jomik> k
[15:33] <bioterror> but im off
[15:33] <bioterror> train is almost at my home station
[15:33] <Jomik> http://pastebin.com/TDyE3vHH
[15:33] <Jomik> AWww
[15:33] <Jomik> XD
[15:34] <Jomik> Coming on soon again or?
[15:40] <Jomik> Can someone else help me? I can't ping my computer from my server (Both are on the same LAN) or the other way around. And I need to be able to connect 'em >.<
[16:01] <bioterror> Jomik, yes, they are on same network
[16:01] <bioterror> I believe you
[16:02] <IAmNotThatGuy> Bonjour s-fox =]
[16:02] <s-fox> Bonjour IAmNotThatGuy =)
[16:02] <IAmNotThatGuy> how are you s-fox ?
[16:03] <s-fox> To answer your question on facebook - stuck in UK at the minute for at least 20 more weeks
[16:03] <s-fox> I'm okay, how are you IAmNotThatGuy ?
[16:03] <bioterror> Jomik, IAmNotThatGuy will assist you. he's a certified cisco engineer! ;)
[16:03] <Jomik> Oooo, kewl XD
[16:03]  * IAmNotThatGuy blinks
[16:04] <bioterror> :D
[16:04] <Jomik> both the computers can ping <IP_ADDRESS> - gateway
[16:04] <Jomik> but they can't ping eachother
[16:04] <Jomik> they're on LAN
[16:04] <IAmNotThatGuy> s-fox, some busy schedules. office eats my time :]
[16:04] <Jomik> So I'm guessing my router might be blocking something ? O.o
[16:04] <IAmNotThatGuy> 7 AM to 8.30 PM
[16:05] <Jomik> IAmNotThatGuy: Ouch, that's a lot
[16:05] <IAmNotThatGuy> Jomik, its just for 4 weeks. so no worries :]
[16:06] <Jomik> "just" Lol! Could you spare like 2 minutes for a random dude from the net then? XD
[16:06] <johnny77> Jomik: this is a wild guess, but in windows I've had it where my antivirus wasn't set to "trust" the other computers on my network.
[16:06] <IAmNotThatGuy> just 2 minutes is enough for you? :P
[16:06] <IAmNotThatGuy> heya johnny77
[16:06] <johnny77> IAmNotThatGuy: hello.
[16:07] <Jomik> johnny77 I doubt that, cuz they were able to connect earlier when my server was connected to the net by cable.
[16:07] <IAmNotThatGuy> idk why [Drumm] heeps changing his nick :|
[16:08] <johnny77> Jomik: ok, just thought I'd throw that out there.
[16:08] <Jomik> IAmNotThatguy: I have no idea XD I'm pretty competent with computers, so should be able to understand most. But I still can't see why I can't ping my damned server. I'll be able to try to ping another computer in a few minutes when it frees up.
[16:08] <Jomik> johnny77, yeah. I thought of it too, I tried flushing the iptables on my ubuntu machine too. but didn't change anything
[16:09] <IAmNotThatGuy> Jomik, just from that particular client or from any client?
[16:10] <Jomik> I haven't been able to try from another client yet. I'll be able to in just a few secs, so guess we should wait for that XD
[16:11] <IAmNotThatGuy> Jomik, also beware of the smiley you use. coz it makes me confuse in guessing your state of mind
[16:12] <bioterror> Jomik, what's your router?
[16:12] <Jomik> Ah, don't pay attention to my smileys, it's a very bad habit I have. I'll try not to use them though.
[16:12] <Jomik> bioterror: It's a Tilgin - you want it more specific?
[16:14] <bioterror> Jomik, http://www.tilgin.com/Products/Ethernet-access/ something like that?
[16:14] <Jomik> Tilgin HG1311, looks like that, but has no antenna :D
[16:16] <bioterror> I think you have to surf the webinterface of your device and check if there's some settings that blocks ICMP packets from computer to another
[16:16] <bioterror> hi bodhi
[16:17] <Jomik> I can't remember the password ...  And he wont let me though I'm better at it than him <.< But I know the password is the default
[16:19] <bioterror> 1234 :D
[16:21] <Jomik> okay, I can't ping anything from any clients.
[16:21] <bioterror> I can proof you that it's not linux fault
[16:22] <bioterror> your ubuntu works just fine :D
[16:22] <Jomik> Yea,h believe so :D
[16:22] <holstein> firewall?
[16:22] <holstein> on one of the machines?
[16:23] <Jomik> Nope, I tried on 2 windows machines
[16:23] <holstein> with the firewalls disabled?
[16:23] <Jomik> and I've been able to ping it from my windows one before, I was able to connect them even, through minecraft.
[16:23] <holstein> i remember doing that as a trouble-shooting step
[16:23] <Jomik> both of them was connected once, when my server was on cable.
[16:24] <Jomik> bioterror / IAmNotThatGuy what did you want me to look for in the router?
[16:24] <holstein> 11:16 <+bioterror> I think you have to surf the webinterface of your device and check if there's some settings that blocks  ICMP packets from computer to another
[16:24] <Jomik> Yeah, but more specific lol ICMP packets? :D
[16:26] <holstein> is this helpful?
[16:26] <holstein> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping
[16:26] <Jomik> I mean, where would my router block an ICMP packet? :D
[16:27] <holstein> the interfaces are usually so differnt
[16:27] <holstein> interface and options
[16:27] <Jomik> Yeah
[16:28] <Jomik> Can't find anywhere that would block anything at all
[16:28] <Jomik> except no ports being forwarded ofcourse
[16:28] <Jomik> but that shouldn't affect LAN
[16:28] <holstein> shouldnt
[16:28] <holstein> you can ping the router from all of them?
[16:28] <Jomik> yup
[16:28] <holstein> and the windows boxes can ping each other?
[16:29] <Jomik> nope
[16:29] <holstein> well, it literally cant hurt anything
[16:29] <holstein> to disable the firewalls
[16:29] <holstein> for a mintue
[16:29] <holstein> minute*
[16:29] <Jomik> There is none XD
[16:29] <holstein> on the windows boxes
[16:29] <Jomik> O.o
[16:29] <Jomik> it popped on my comp again
[16:29] <Jomik> sec
[16:30] <Jomik> still can't ping
[16:30] <holstein> i would probably spend some time on why those windows machines cant ping each other
[16:30] <holstein> did you restart them?
[16:30] <holstein> windows seems to like that
[16:30] <holstein> "did you turn it off and back on again" ;)
[16:31] <Jomik> What would that do? :O I mean, they've been reset a bunch of times XD
[16:31] <Jomik> damned smileys again, sorry, pay no attention to those
[16:32] <holstein> i can only recall some windows trouble-shooting steps
[16:32] <holstein> from when i used to try to get lin and win talking
[16:33] <Jomik> what is PPP-pass through?
[16:33] <holstein> you shouldnt need anything like that
[16:33] <holstein> maybe http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk827/tk369/technologies_q_and_a_item09186a00800946ef.shtml
[16:33] <Jomik> Nah, just saw it XD
[16:34] <Jomik> Cisco, wut? XD
[16:34] <holstein> i think disabling the firewalls will make that kind of thing unecessary
[16:34] <Jomik> I already tried disabling the firewalls :)
[16:34] <holstein> tried?
[16:34] <Jomik> on my win and on my linux :D
[16:34] <holstein> or are they currently disabled?
[16:34] <Jomik> yeah, I disabled them, pinged, didn't work, enabled them
[16:34] <holstein> right
[16:35] <holstein> so, right now
[16:35] <holstein> they are enabled
[16:35] <holstein> if it were me
[16:35] <holstein> i would disable them
[16:35] <holstein> on the win boxes
[16:35] <holstein> reboot them
[16:35] <holstein> check the IPs
[16:35] <holstein> and try pinging
[16:35] <holstein> anyways, i gotta run...  O.o TeamViewer stopped working and all.
[16:52] <AbhijiT> ok
[16:53] <Jomik> just wanted to know if anyone else had experienced that
[18:01] <Jomik> anyone got experience with a mysql server here?
[18:36] <Jomik> anyone got experience with a mysql server here?
[18:36] <Jomik> anyone got experience with a mysql server here?
[18:37] <Jomik> sry, lagged so it got sent twice XD
[18:37] <bioterror> !ask | Jomik
[18:37] <ubot2> Jomik: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[18:39] <Jomik> Lol bioterror :D It's because I can't ask a question since I'm not sure what the problem is... But netstat -tap | grep mysql shows .... LISTEN 3647/mysqld    but in the config file I've said that it should connect on port 3306???
[18:40] <bioterror> sudo service mysqld restart
[18:42] <Jomik> unrecognized service
[18:42] <bioterror> really
[18:42] <Jomik> worked without the d
[18:42] <bioterror> :D
[18:42] <Jomik> sudo service mysql restart
[18:42] <Jomik> now it's on port 3928 ??
[18:42] <bioterror> :D
[18:43] <Jomik> That's weird, aint it? XD
[18:43] <bioterror> what if you: telnet localhost 3306
[18:44] <Jomik> I'll send you that in a pastebin, give me a sec
[18:45] <Jomik> http://pastebin.com/fWKG25Ds
[18:45] <Jomik> I have no idea what that means :)
[18:45] <bioterror> seems like something answered from the port 3306
[18:48] <Jomik> Oooh, so the mysql might be running?
[18:48] <Jomik> Or the port might be busy by something else?
[19:10] <Justice> anyone knows how to unlock gnome keyring at login when using slim and openbox ?
[19:11] <Jomik> slim and openbox? :o I know it unlocks itself when you log in at the login screen XD
[19:12] <Justice> well using slim and openbox it does not for me :/
[19:13] <Jomik> Dunno slim and openbox, sry :D I'm a noob at linux anyways... :(
[19:18] <aveilleux> Justice: I think the GNOME keyring is designed for GDM, so I'm not sure you can unlock the keyring automatically if you're using SLiM
[19:19] <Justice> aveilleux, I know but there must be a way to unlock after login..
[19:19] <aveilleux> Justice: It should ask you for your password the first time you need it
[19:20] <Justice> aveilleux, it does however typing it each time after login when connecting to wifi is a bit anoying
[19:23] <aveilleux> Justice: This could be your answer: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2524785&postcount=68
[19:32] <Jomik> aveilleux: I remember you to be pretty clever :D Do you think you can help me out set up mysql-server properly? For some weird reason it doesn't listen on the server I specify in the my.cnf, but it listens on some random one. It changes on each startup >.<
[19:33] <iggy19> hey all - i did a dumb thing that I can't seem to fix :(
[19:34] <iggy19> messed up my system panel - missing a bunch of pretty key icons
[19:34] <iggy19> including the network manager and the one that lets me shutdown/logoff/etc
[19:34] <holstein> iggy19: gnome panel?
[19:34] <iggy19> uh, yes.  sorry.
[19:35] <holstein> just right click on it
[19:35] <holstein> go to 'add to panel'
[19:35] <aveilleux> iggy19: Right-click, add to panel, Indicator Applet Session
[19:35] <holstein> and you'll see them there
[19:35] <holstein> all the options :)
[19:35] <iggy19> I have my indicator applet, but not nm
[19:35] <holstein> its there :)
[19:35] <iggy19> nor the power button
[19:35] <aveilleux> iggy19: Indicator Applet Session is different from Indicator Applet
[19:35] <holstein> in the menu
[19:35] <aveilleux> iggy19: Also, try "notification area" as well
[19:36] <holstein> theres not that many options really
[19:36] <holstein> you can just add them all
[19:36] <holstein> and see what they do
[19:36] <iggy19> sorry... too many terms.  The "notification area" I definitely have
[19:36] <holstein> easy to get rid of them
[19:36] <holstein> as im sure you know
[19:37] <iggy19> when I right click on the panel I get a list of applets I can add.  You are right, there are not too many of them.  Network Manager does not seem to be one of them.
[19:37] <holstein> yeah
[19:37] <iggy19> BTW: thanks for help!
[19:37] <holstein> its not called that
[19:37] <iggy19> ah
[19:37] <holstein> there have been some changes in there
[19:37] <holstein> customizations
[19:38] <aveilleux> iggy19: network-manager is under either Indicator Applet or Notification Area
[19:38] <holstein> mostly handy improvements to functionality
[19:38] <iggy19> pretty stock install
[19:38] <holstein> when you get rid of the power button
[19:39] <iggy19> Ah!  Okay, added Notification Area and got the nm back.  THANKS.
[19:39] <holstein> shutdown *should* show up over under the 'system' menu
[19:39] <holstein> i kinda prefer that anyways
[19:40] <iggy19> shutdown is on the system menu.  Which is fine.  Actually I'm fine to shutdown with a shell command.  But I'd like to know how to fix what I broke.  Any idea how to get the power button icon back on the far right?
[19:40] <aveilleux> urk
[19:41] <holstein> not that button ;)
[19:46] <st33med> Don't touch the red button
[19:46] <iggy19> alright, *that* was weird.
[19:48] <iggy19> As I was here chatting, the system *rapidly* decided to shut itself down, and wanted to fsck everything upon being powered back on.
[19:48] <holstein> maybe you hit the power button?
[19:48] <holstein> by accident?
[19:48] <holstein> and it was the scheduled disk check ?
[19:48] <iggy19> I have an error, which may be telling, upon logging back in: "The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_FastUserSwitchApplet"
[19:48] <iggy19> is there a chance that is the missing power button applet?
[19:49] <iggy19> And no, no chance I hit the physical power button.
[19:50] <iggy19> I know this is the noob channel, and I'm here 'cuz I got a pretty noobie problem, but I'm actually pretty computer savvy
[19:51] <holstein> i didnt mean any disrespect i assure you
[19:51] <Justice> hah fixed it by removing the default keyring
[19:52] <iggy19> holstein: none taken; I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to chat with me.  Just sayin', I know where the power button is and how long you have to hold it to power cycle this machine.  ;-)
[19:53] <iggy19> plus, it didn't hard power off, it very rapidly went through a very short (incomplete?) shutdown sequence.
[19:54] <holstein> yeah
[19:54] <holstein> sounded like what has happened to me when i just hit the power button on a few laptops
[19:54] <holstein> by accident
[19:54] <holstein> not holding it down*
[19:54] <holstein> probably not the issue though
[19:55] <holstein> i just like to postulate scenarios where 'everthing is OK'
[19:55] <holstein> OR at least, keep one around until its ruled out
[19:58] <iggy19> yeah, gotta brainstorm if you're going to troubleshoot.
[19:58] <Jomik> Can I open IRC on ubuntu without having to isntall? XD
[19:58] <Jomik> nvm
[19:58] <iggy19> almost like it was trying to go into suspend due to low battery, and didn't make it all the way b/c the batt died.  Except that I'm plugged in and have a full battery.  Anywho, ignoring the unexpected shutdown for now.  Would like my power icon back.  And to know that the OAFIID:GNOME_FastUserSwitchApplet is
[19:58] <iggy19> googling
[19:58] <holstein> Jomik: sure, assuming you have network access
[19:58] <holstein> iggy19: hey, i did have that once
[19:58] <holstein> with an HP mininote
[19:58] <holstein> the battery reported something when i would unplug it
[19:59] <holstein> no matter what the level
[19:59] <holstein> suspend
[19:59] <holstein> i did a gconf work-around i think
[20:00] <iggy19> Hmmm... going to assume it was a fluke unless it recurrs.  You could be right though.  I could have hit the power brick with my foot just enough to knock it loose for a second.
[20:01] <holstein> plausible
[20:01] <holstein> anyways
[20:01] <holstein> i have seen those errors
[20:01] <iggy19> fixed the other problem
[20:01] <holstein> with panel apples
[20:01] <holstein> hehe
[20:01] <holstein> applets*
[20:01] <iggy19> yup yup
[20:01] <holstein> fixed them different ways..
[20:01] <holstein> you got it sorted?
[20:02] <iggy19> so, I did an apt-get remove earlier today, that I think might have dumped more packages than I meant for it to.
[20:03] <iggy19> I just did apt-get install indicator-applet-session and then added that to my panel via right-click menu --> viola!
[20:03] <iggy19> power button is back
[20:04] <holstein> cool :)
[20:06] <iggy19> holstein: thank you so much for hanging out here and being helpful!
[20:06] <holstein> iggy19: anytime
[20:06] <holstein> lots of helpful folk here
[20:06] <holstein> helping each other
[20:07] <iggy19> Sometimes the hours of running down solutions on google gets really old.  Like, until I saw that error message (the reboot was really a blessing in disguise for that) I had no idea what that missing applet was even called, which makes it really hard to google for it.
[20:07] <holstein> realtime discussion even on IRC can help get the mind going in the right direction at least
[20:08] <iggy19> I'll do my part to lurk here some and try to repay the favor.  Plus, I'm sure to be stumped again soon.
[20:08] <iggy19> ;-)
[20:08] <holstein> hehe, thanks
[20:09] <iggy19> so, does apt-get sometimes expand terms it is passed without an explicit wildcard?
[20:09] <iggy19> that's something I've not encountered before.
[20:09] <holstein> like? apt-cache search chromium
[20:09] <holstein> returning a lot more that chromium?
[20:10] <iggy19> yeah
[20:10] <holstein> im not positive, but i know the search does
[20:10] <iggy19> like I think I did "apt-get remove indicator-applet" and it ended up removing my "indicator-applet-session" without me explicitly asking for it.
[20:11] <holstein> that seems plausible too
[20:11] <holstein> i read those carefully now
[20:11] <holstein> with the audio metapackages i run
[20:11] <iggy19> I would have expected that of "..remove indicator-applet*", but it seems poor form to assume I wanted the expression expanded without me stating it
[20:11] <holstein> sometimes trying to remove a plugin
[20:11] <holstein> will want to get rid of a bunch of stuff
[20:12] <holstein> iggy19: agreed
[20:12] <holstein> not sure how to address that though
[20:12] <aveilleux> iggy19: indicator-applet-session depends on indicator-applet.
[20:13] <aveilleux> iggy19: If you remove a dependency, then the broken package is removed as well.
[20:13] <iggy19> okay, since I got your ear, do you know why apt-get sometimes asks you to confirm the action before it executes it, and othertimes it just flies right into executing the command?
[20:13] <aveilleux> iggy19: Using the -y flag will fly right into the action
[20:13] <iggy19> ah, that explains it.  I removed a something that -session dpended on, so it pulled -session rather than leave it installed but broken
[20:14] <aveilleux> iggy19: Also, if you're only adding or removing a single package then it'll assume you want to continue (since there is nothing being installed/removed that you didn't explicitly say)
[20:14] <iggy19> then when I added back "indicator-applet" it didn't automagically give me back the -session, which seems, actually, like the proper behavior
[20:14] <aveilleux> iggy19: yup
[20:15] <iggy19> aveilleux: oh, you said that above (in fewer words) while I was typing and not reading.  lol.
[20:16] <iggy19> Okay all, thanks again.  I'm back to my cassoulet-making.
[20:21] <holstein> im about to try and make a custom iso
[20:22] <holstein> live disc
[20:22] <holstein> i need to have some wifi access saved on them
[20:22] <holstein> anyone dealt with that?
[20:22] <holstein> i was thinking remastersys would let me copy exactly the environment in everyway
[20:23] <holstein> im still not sure im comfortable doing a chroot
[20:46] <iggy19> is there a way to tell the idicator-applet and/or the notification area what icons to display?
[20:48] <iggy19> Like, I prefer the battery meter in "notifications", but I like the sound panel in "indicator" - contrawise, I don't use evolution, so, I'd really like that icon to go away...
[20:49] <holstein> i add gnome-volume-control-applet
[20:49] <holstein> to startup applications
[20:49] <holstein> in gnome
[20:49] <holstein> as a work around
[20:50] <holstein> the icon is old-school-ish
[20:51] <iggy19> holstein: I tried it earlier today and removed it.  Will give it another go and see if it grows on me.
[20:51] <iggy19> ah yes, no mute option on left-click; have to right click to mute.
[20:51] <holstein> iggy19: i dont do it on every machine
[20:52] <holstein> its the 'social from the start' initiative
[20:52] <iggy19> maybe I'll just skip the volume control.  I did get the OSD linked to my hardware volume buttons working.
[21:37] <ekoeko> im new to ubuntu and programming how do i locate a folder  im trying to find "~/.vim/ftplugin" i assume the ~ means home but i cant find that folder
[21:47] <aveilleux> ekoeko: directories with a period in front of them are hidden. In Nautilus (file browser), hit Ctrl+H to show them.
[21:50] <ekoeko> perfect thanks!


[01:09] <Guest66233> hey
[01:09] <Guest66233> oops
[01:09] <mapps> went to see robocop at the imax
[01:09] <mapps> :D
[01:10] <ali1234> silly question, but is it good?
[01:11] <mapps> was good eya not sure its worth the 14.50
[01:11] <mapps> wasnt too long either just under 2hours..sick of watching films that could easily be 30mins shorter
[01:12] <ali1234> the original is like 100 minutes
[01:21] <shauno> strange irony that detroit turned out to be more apocalyptic than they ever painted it
[01:24] <mapps> heh yea
[01:24] <mapps> new spiderman looks good
[06:38] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:55] <jussi> morning MooDoo
[06:55] <mapps> hey
[06:55] <mapps> morning
[06:55] <jussi> MooDoo: O__u
[06:55] <jussi> (thats a tea cup in my hand...)
[06:56] <jussi> mornin mapps
[06:56] <mapps> morning
[06:57] <mapps> ive requested info on one the elephant
[06:57] <mapps> might be moving back to LONDON:D finally
[06:57] <jussi> mapps: my condolences :P
[06:57] <mapps> heh
[06:57] <mapps> im from London
[06:57] <jussi> mapps: still :P
[06:58]  * jussi hugs mapps
[06:58]  * MooDoo hugs his newly firmware updated router after finding out it had a major flaw lol
[06:59] <mapps> il be moving to a 2bed flat
[06:59] <mapps> ;/
[06:59] <mapps> not ideal
[06:59] <mapps> a house means i can do whatever i want
[06:59] <jussi> MooDoo: is it dd/open-wrt?
[07:00] <MooDoo> jussi: asus
[07:00] <MooDoo> no don't think so
[07:00] <MooDoo> just seeing if it's supported
[07:04] <MooDoo> still lots of routers out there that are providing access to their USB attached hard drives :S
[07:14] <knightwise> Morning everyone :)
[07:15] <MooDoo> morning knightwise
[07:16] <knightwise> hey Moodoo , how's it going ?
[07:16] <jussi> uk people waking up early today... :D
[07:16] <jussi> therefore, day does not equal monday...
[07:17] <MooDoo> knightwise: not bad thank, panic attack about my router last night, but all ok this morning
[07:17] <MooDoo> jussi: I'm always in work for 6:30
[07:17] <jussi> MooDoo: but you are speshial :P :P
[07:18] <jussi> brb, updated and now need to reboot...
[07:18] <MooDoo> jussi: so people keep telling me, especially the dr's ;)
[07:18] <knightwise> MooDoo: good to hear
[07:18]  * knightwise working from home today
[07:18] <MooDoo> knightwise: lucky :D
[07:18] <knightwise> and todays side project is dual booting my I7 mac mini into 12.04
[07:19] <MooDoo> yay
[07:20] <knightwise> I use it as a production machine mainly (osx , for podcast production) but when i'm not creating podcast content it can just as well be a linux desktop
[07:20] <knightwise> I would love to use it for video rendering.
[07:21] <MooDoo> knightwise: you do a lot of podcasts?
[07:21] <knightwise> one every week
[07:21] <knightwise> www.knightwise.com
[07:22] <MooDoo> ah cool, something I'm looking to get into.
[07:24] <jussi> knightwise: I like your web theme :)
[07:25] <foobarry> morning early birds
[07:26] <MooDoo> morning foobarry
[07:28] <knightwise> thanx :) its a wordpress plugin
[07:28] <knightwise> MooDoo: podcasting is cool
[07:28] <knightwise> I also do regular stuff for HPR
[07:29] <jussi> knightwise: may I *cough* steal it *cough* and modify it?
[07:29] <jussi> (err.. read: would you share it?)
[07:30] <knightwise> the theme of the website or the mobile plugin
[07:31] <knightwise> the web theme .. its a modified version of a wordpress theme I bought .
[07:31] <knightwise> I would prefer if you woulnd't steal it , my website guy put quite a lot of work in it and it is also our complete brand style.
[07:32] <knightwise> but I cant stop you from googling it , finding the wordpress theme and giving it your own spin if that is what you mean to do
[07:34] <jussi> knightwise: nah, Ill leave it if thats the case. just looking for a new theme for my blog, thats all
[07:35] <mapps> hm
[07:36] <knightwise> jussi: I appreciate it :) Took me quit a while to get a distinct look for the site
[07:36] <knightwise> its also on or cards and everything
[07:37] <jussi> knightwise: yeah, no probs. I wouldnt want to take away from  what youve done - its a sign of recognition if anythign :)
[07:38] <knightwise> THnax dude ! I appreciate that  :)
[07:41] <mapps> what to watch
[07:42] <knightwise> does anybody know what the command line name is for the ubuntu app store ?
[07:42] <MartijnVdS> ubuntu-software-centre I think
[07:42] <foobarry> software-center-gtk3?
[07:42] <MartijnVdS> or center
[07:42] <MartijnVdS> foobarry++
[07:47] <knightwise> got it :)
[07:47] <knightwise> foobarry: was correct :)
[07:52]  * knightwise loves linux :)
[07:53] <knightwise> Installed 12.04 on my wifes iMac. enabling the ssh server so i can remotely access her machine ,install apps and put files on her desktop she doesn't find otherwise
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> apt-get install keylogger
[07:55] <mapps> hi MartijnVdS
[07:56] <MooDoo> morning mapps :D
[07:56] <MooDoo> morning MartijnVdS :D
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> \o MooDoo
[07:56] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: thanks for last nigth :D
[07:57] <MooDoo> er router, you know what I mean :d
[07:59] <MartijnVdS> heh :)
[08:03] <mapps> morning MooDoo
[08:03] <mapps> ;]
[08:05] <SuperMatt> yo
[08:07] <MooDoo> how SuperMatt
[08:14] <SuperMatt> how
[08:14] <SuperMatt> for now
[08:14]  * SuperMatt is fred dinenage
[08:14] <MooDoo> tara
[08:23] <diplo> Morning all
[08:25] <SuperMatt> moaning
[08:27] <MooDoo> hello diplo
[08:32] <diplo> How're we all this fine morning ?
[08:33] <MooDoo> diplo: fine and dandy thanks :D
[08:33] <MooDoo> diplo: and what about your good self?
[08:34] <diplo> Hoping for a quieter day at work here, kids have gone back to their mums so DIY/tidy time now :/
[08:34] <diplo> Well this week
[08:34] <diplo> Need to talk divorce with the ex tonight which may somewhat make it a bit suckier!
[08:40] <MooDoo> ouch :(
[08:41] <DJones> Morning all
[09:13] <dwatkins> moin moin
[09:19] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Single Tasking Day! :-D
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> Alt+Tab
[09:20] <foobarry> f11
[09:20] <jussi> NOOOO
[09:20] <jussi> not single tasking day
[09:20] <jussi> :(
[09:22] <JamesTait> My new favourite day.
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: now you can irc all day!
[09:25]  * jussi is enjoying http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAVrm3wjzq8 while working... screw single taskign day
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> eww.. musicals, really?
[09:28] <jussi> MartijnVdS: you dont have to watch it if you dont like it :)
[09:28] <foobarry> i signed a pre nup with my wife that i would never have to watch a musical for the sake of pleasing my wife
[09:28] <jussi> hehe
[09:28] <foobarry> was top of my list
[09:28] <jussi> I love les mis
[09:28] <foobarry> "i would do anything for love etc"
[09:29] <jussi> you are all barbarians :P
[09:29] <foobarry> men
[09:29] <MooDoo> I like wicked, chicago oklahoma ;)
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: http://www.lifeasaplate.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/meatloaf-stats.jpg
[09:30] <foobarry> i don't even know how musicals came about
[09:30] <foobarry> its a bizarre concept
[09:30] <jussi> MooDoo: everythime I think of oklahoma there comes to mind  that scene from band of brothers...
[09:31] <jussi> MooDoo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Pdob5J3Yo
[09:31] <MooDoo> :D
[10:00] <jussi> yay for rain + snow... YUCK
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> jussi: snow? what's that? Haven't seen that in at least a year ;)
[10:02] <jussi> MartijnVdS: hehe
[10:06] <jussi> hrm, I have lamb in the fridge. Im thinking of slicing it up, frying it and making pizza(yeah, weird I know). what do people here think would be nice on a lamb pizza...
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> garlic sauce
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> jussi: you could also go for something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapsalon instead :)
[10:08] <jussi> MartijnVdS: that would require me to have potatoes in the house...
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> jussi: remember it for next time ;)
[10:08] <jussi> :)
[10:22] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[10:22] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[10:23] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:24] <dwatkins> allo allo
[10:26] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, maybe now I can IRC all day, now I've finished single-tasking on my morning e-mail. :)
[10:27] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[10:43] <andrewebdev> On ubuntu server, is there a way to install nginx with the nginx_pagespeed module, directly from the repo? Or would I have to build nginx myself
[10:44] <MooDoo> not sure about the module, but you should be able to apt-get install nginx
[10:44] <MooDoo> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-install-nginx-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin does this help?
[10:44] <andrewebdev> installing nginx is not the issue really, it's because nginx needs to be built with nginx_pagespeed enabled
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> andrewebdev: what does that module do?
[10:45] <andrewebdev> was basically hoping there may exist some package that does this (am actively googling for that)
[10:45] <andrewebdev> MartijnVdS,  https://github.com/pagespeed/ngx_pagespeed
[10:46] <MooDoo> andrewebdev: what about this :D = http://www.nginxtips.com/how-to-install-nginx-pagespeed-module/
[10:46] <MooDoo> looks like you have to build it then again what do I know :D
[10:47] <andrewebdev> yeah I was hoping a supported package might already exist within official repos
[10:48] <MooDoo> andrewebdev: https://launchpad.net/~sandyd/+archive/nginx-current-pagespeed ?
[10:50] <andrewebdev> MooDoo, looks promising will review that alongside my other options
[10:50] <MooDoo> andrewebdev: nice one :D
[11:00] <MooDoo> yay facebook chat for my page lol small things etc :D
[11:28] <andyc> Is there an easy way with ubuntu to enable VNC remotely and get access to my other desktop?
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> andyc: there used to be, maybe you have to install it manually now
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> andyc: "vino" and its preferences tool are what you're looking for
[11:29] <andyc> I've tried to update preferences for vino but still no joy
[11:29] <andyc> I'll just keep going at it
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> andyc: you may need to log out & back in, or start vino manually once
[11:33] <andyc> MartijnVdS, Problem solved - I hadn't ticked a box in vino prefs to configure network automatically
[11:47] <jussi> andyc: I just allow google to handle it for me (chrome remote desktop)
[11:57] <foobarry> jussi: any good?
[11:58] <jussi> foobarry: it works easily, simple to install, minimal hassle, no port forwardingg etc
[11:58] <foobarry> cool, never tried it
[11:58] <foobarry> wonder how it works
[11:58] <jussi> and its great for the extended famil, you tell them to click a button and give the code
[11:59] <jussi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_Remote_Desktop
[12:00] <foobarry> taken me all morning to update bios and ilom firmware on 2 ibm servers
[12:00] <foobarry> 3 reboots, frequent restarts and fails
[12:01] <foobarry> all via the java remote console *shudder*
[12:03] <jussi> foobarry: note that the wiki page is a bit old though
[12:03] <jussi> (linux remote desktop isnt coming soon anymore)
[12:09] <ikonia> I dont suppose anyone has any UK supplier that has unusual coloured ethernet cable, eg: striped, or something a bit unusual
[12:10] <jussi> ikonia: I dont, but I have a bright pink one here :D
[12:11] <foobarry> tried rs components?
[12:12] <ikonia> jussi: notohing unusual about pink, a standard colour
[12:12] <foobarry> i used to get blue translucent
[12:12] <ikonia> foobarry: looking at RS and commsexpres now, but its all standard colours,
[12:12] <jussi> ikonia: before I found this one, I had never seen a pink one before
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: http://gizmodo.com/5501265/pink-jeweled-kabling-ethernet-cables-are-the-new-hot-accessory-for-2010
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/pink-ethernet-cable
[12:24] <jussi> ikonia: also: http://www.chord.co.uk/product/chord-indigo-ethernet-tuned-aray/
[12:48] <ikonia> lets see.....
[12:48] <ikonia> MartijnVdS: a good attempt, but it needs to be more than just the connector that is a bit different
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: the connector is different and the cable is pink
[12:49] <ikonia> jussi: that's just really "purple" with a massive price tag, not quite the unusual I was thinking
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: what are you thinking of then? :)
[12:49] <ikonia> MartijnVdS: already got pink cable, hence the need for something different
[12:50] <jussi> ikonia: yeah, hard to find - I spent 10 mins looking and that purple was the best I could find. some nice usb cables available though :P
[12:50] <ikonia> jussi: really annoying, I need to basically easy identify a small vlan segment, in a place that already has tons of different coloured cables
[12:51] <jussi> ikonia: take some electrical tape an spiral it around a normal one?
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: http://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-Multicolor-Number-Mark-for-Ethernet-RJ45-12-11-Wire-Power-Cable-/390413623532?pt=US_Cabling_Tools&hash=item5ae67720ec
[12:51] <ikonia> jussi: bit sloppy, want "off the shelf" but a good thought
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: those number tags are teh bomb -- use them to tag cables with vlan ids :)
[12:51] <ikonia> MartijnVdS: annoyingly the plain cables all have those on, and they have been proven not to work at this place.
[12:52] <ikonia> MartijnVdS: yeah, used them before, they work great....except with these people
[12:52] <ikonia> I'll find something, I have a blue/white stiped one at home, so some places must do them
[12:52] <ikonia> striped
[12:56] <jussi> ikonia: denon have a black with blue dots... unfortunately it costs 499$ :P
[13:00] <ikonia> ouch
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> for audiophiles
[13:05] <ikonia> yes, not core for sending a few packets down
[13:05] <jussi> ikonia: btw, is it only color that could be used to distinguish it ?  how about usingthose "flat" cables?
[13:06] <ikonia> got to be colour or a "visual" thing
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> so a "flat" cable would work. or a braided one
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-10M-Network-Fiber-Optic-Flat-cable-for-RJ45-UTP-CAT6a-Cat-6-Ethernet-Patch-F0327/609100336.html
[13:14] <ikonia> could work, I'll check it with them
[13:14] <ikonia> nice efforts
[13:20] <jussi> ikonia: yeah, thats the kind of flat one I meant :)
[13:20] <ikonia> it's more the light blue that works for me
[13:24] <knightwise> There :)
[13:24] <knightwise> Wife just spent her first day on her brand new linux machine.
[13:25] <knightwise> :) I didn't give her an ounce of explenation and she just went ahead and toddled along.
[13:30] <SuperMatt> knightwise: is she normally computer literate?
[13:31] <knightwise> she is geeky enough :) I installed elementary on her 24 inch imac
[13:31] <knightwise> she took to it like a fish to water
[13:31] <SuperMatt> hmmm... I think the real test is when it's done to someone non-geeky, but props for her taking to it well :)
[13:32] <knightwise> I switched her gran (She's 84 now) to linux about 5 years ago
[13:32] <knightwise> Granny alternates between a W8 laptop and her linux mint machine
[13:33] <SuperMatt> that's impressive
[13:33] <SuperMatt> running cinnamon?
[13:35] <knightwise> yep
[13:35] <knightwise> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuForGrandma
[13:35] <knightwise> (this is when i switched her to ubuntu)
[13:35] <knightwise> after unity i moved her over to cinnamon
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> I just installed 12.04 for my grandma
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> plain
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> "Oh wow, this is much easier" (she'd only used XP before)
[13:36] <knightwise> true
[13:36] <knightwise> must say I simplified cinnamon a little for her ...
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> see, I just gave her Unity :)
[13:36]  * knightwise just not big on unity . I have it on my lts machines though.
[13:38] <SuperMatt> I love unity
[13:38] <SuperMatt> I've tried other DEs, and they just don't seem to gel with me
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> I run Unity, I don't *use* it much though
[13:38] <MooDoo> I liked the slab on suse
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> just the button bar and Alt+F2
[13:38] <knightwise> I use Küpfer
[13:39] <SuperMatt> MartijnVdS: I'm much the same. I actually rarely use the dash because I have everything I need in the launcher
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: yeah, I run terminals and a browser.. so that's all that's in there :)
[13:40] <SuperMatt> I've got files, terminal, firefox, thunderbird, sublime, chrome, software updater, keepass, steam
[13:40] <knightwise> to be very honest , that is what I do the most too
[13:40] <knightwise> what is sublime ?
[13:40] <SuperMatt> and this is for my work box
[13:40] <SuperMatt> anything else isn't required
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: an editor for people who can't vim
[13:40] <SuperMatt> oi!
[13:40]  * knightwise is a nano slut
[13:40] <SuperMatt> I can so use vim!
[13:41] <SuperMatt> but it's just as powerful and looks real pretty
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: poor man
[13:41] <SuperMatt> I use it mostly for writing code
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: if I use anything other than vim, my files end up full of ":wq"
[13:41] <SuperMatt> lols
[13:41] <SuperMatt> I know what you mean
[13:41] <SuperMatt> my command line history can be seen to have !q in it
[13:42] <SuperMatt> or "/blah/scrip!q"
[13:42] <SuperMatt> wait
[13:42] <SuperMatt> no
[13:42] <SuperMatt> I mean :q!
[13:42] <SuperMatt> I do that stuff so automatically that when I was just thinking about it, my brain spazzed
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> :)
[13:43] <ali1234> i am looking forward to the day when some hotshot kid takes over maintenance and adds a touch UI to it
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: to what? Unity?
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: vim?
[13:43] <ali1234> i will point and laugh at the vim users and tell them "you just hate change, stop living in the past"
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yes, you type with your on-screen keyboard!
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> and you autocorrect
[13:44] <SuperMatt> using vim on a touch interface is a pita
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> s/using vim on //
[13:45] <ali1234> no it isn't, we did extenive user testing with three people and they all said it was much better
[13:45] <SuperMatt> mmm... pita bread
[13:45] <SuperMatt> ali1234: lawls
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: Pita bread, paid for at a PoS? ;)
[13:46] <SuperMatt> https://xkcd.com/1172/
[13:46] <ali1234> all three people never used vim or a keyboard before, which means they can be much more objective
[13:46] <SuperMatt> obligatory xkcd post
[13:46] <knightwise> Lol
[13:47] <knightwise> what do VIM and brokeback mountain have in common ?
[13:47] <knightwise> " I don't know how to quit you "
[13:47]  * SuperMatt sniggers
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: *emacs
[13:48] <ali1234> what emacs really needs is an app store
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: suggest it to GNU
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> FSF8
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> *
[13:49]  * jussi snorts
[13:49] <jussi> app store...
[13:49] <jussi> :D
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: Almost 10km ice skating time for Belgium!
[14:25] <shauno> I think what emacs is really missing is a kernel.  one day, hurd, one day
[14:31] <foobarry> touchpad doesn't work in centos?
[14:33] <foobarry> i think my install is shagged
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> feature!
[14:33] <foobarry> i seem to remember this one never recovered from ctrl-c during a yum update
[14:33] <ali1234> is this legit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1y1eex/app_development_and_the_click_store_question/cfh2fs8
[14:33] <neuro> yum auggggh
[14:34] <ali1234> yum is still the least bad rpm front end
[14:34] <foobarry> wow ali1234
[14:34] <foobarry> what does debian use to install software?
[14:34] <foobarry> via gui
[14:34] <ali1234> foobarry: synaptic
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> gdebi 8-)
[14:35] <neuro> that's like saying a rusty blunt knife is the least bad implement to stab yourself in the face with
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: until they write that systemd plugin to install packages
[14:35] <foobarry> 10yrs ago it was synaptic too
[14:35] <ali1234> yeah so anyway is that actually true or not? popey? davmor2?
[14:36] <foobarry> somebody should tell omgubuntu
[14:36] <neuro> about the rusty blunt knife?
[14:38] <popey> is what true?
[14:38] <ali1234> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1y1eex/app_development_and_the_click_store_question/cfh2fs8
[14:38] <popey> I don't think so.
[14:38] <popey> not that I've heard anyhoo
[14:38] <popey> Laney is on the desktop team, he may know ☻
[14:38] <MooDoo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/software-center/13.10-0ubuntu2
[14:40] <neuro> yeah, i'd be interested to know that guy's sources
[14:40] <neuro> fwiw, "that guy" = https://launchpad.net/~nhaines
[14:40] <MooDoo> there are a lot of websites out there that reference 14.04's software center, so I'm not sure it's going
[14:41] <ali1234> it says 14.10
[14:41] <MooDoo> I'll shut up then
[14:42]  * neuro stops 6 ec2 VMs to save some wonga
[14:42] <neuro> one day i'll get auto scaling working
[14:42] <neuro> but not today
[14:43] <neuro> definitely not while we're using these &!%$ing centos images :9
[14:43] <neuro> centos ... the thinking man's rusty blunt knife
[14:44] <foobarry> stabs himself
[14:44] <neuro> and if i could slap the guy who built them, i would
[14:44] <neuro> 32-bit installs
[14:44] <foobarry> xorg-x11-drv-synaptics conflicts xorg-x11-xserver-xorg
[14:44] <neuro> so i can't bump up to the newer ec2 instance types :P
[14:56] <davmor2> ali1234: aiui the apps scope will replace USC in unity8.  So usc will nolonger be in the default install of unbuntu but will be supported for the sake of 14.04 until 19.04 when the lts dies.   Very close.
[15:01] <neuro> so gone
[15:02] <neuro> not that you'd see anything if i did cmd+q ... irssi proxy + Linkinus ftw
[15:02] <MooDoo> I'd make a comment about fdisk or something equally is silly but i'd get slapped.
[15:03] <neuro> again, not that it would do much to me
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> sudo dd?
[15:03] <neuro> hmm possibly
[15:04] <neuro> i broke a server the other day with some overzealous rm -rf'ing as root
[15:04] <neuro> used ; in the command chain rather than &&
[15:04] <neuro> which was stupid
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> "and much was learned that day"
[15:04] <neuro> left /bin and /etc looking rather empty
[15:05] <neuro> MartijnVdS: yeah, i learned how quickly i could respin the server from an AMI ;)
[15:05]  * popey has put a lambs leg in the oven on low
[15:05] <popey> house is starting to smell nicely of dead lamb
[15:05] <popey> This is a Good Thing ™
[15:05] <neuro> popey: if it's on low, make sure you bend your legs, not your back
[15:06] <neuro> dead meaty things + controlled heat + confined space = nicey smell
[15:06] <neuro> dead meaty things + uncontrolled heat + outdoors = nasty smell
[15:07] <neuro> odd how that works
[15:10] <MooDoo> sorry I just heard cooked lamb hmmmmmmmmmmm
[15:45] <Gribbles>  hi, i'm using github and just signed up to openshift. openshift wants my public ssh key, so do i give it the same key i'm using for github or create a new one and give it that?
[15:47] <MartijnVdS> Gribbles: you can do either. I use the same one everywhere
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> Gribbles: having multiple keys limits the damage that can be done if the private part gets exposed somehow (hacked machine, government snooping etc)
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> except if they're all on the same machine, stealing all keys is just as easy as stealing one
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> so.. see why I chose one key over several ;)
[15:48]  * awilkins has used the same private key for aaages
[15:49]  * MartijnVdS recently upgraded to a longer one
[15:49] <awilkins> 1024 bit here
[15:50] <awilkins> I'm an 11 stone crypto-weakling it seems
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> 4096
[15:50] <awilkins> Maybe I should upgrade... same key for my router as well
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> took forever to generate
[15:50] <awilkins> Lots of frantic mouse wiggling
[15:51] <Gribbles> MartijnVdS, thanks :)
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: uhhuh "mouse wiggling"
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> aaanyway.. time to go home :)
[15:52] <bashrc> the encryption is only as good as the randomness - hence the wiggling
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCaEjQiaHkU
[15:56] <Dermot_Stry> http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/plan-to-create-botanic-garden-of-global-standing-1-6432345    , Note this is using a Manchester company , not a local one . bye.
[15:56] <Dermot_Stry> leaves.
[15:56]  * awilkins wonders how long an 8192 bit key takes
[15:57] <awilkins> Really fast, apparently
[15:57] <awilkins> Hmm
[16:49] <neuro> hmm
[16:49] <neuro> capital one really want me to use their credit card
[16:49] <neuro> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h89niwp0rsiadju/Screenshot%202014-02-18%2016.48.49.png
[16:53] <neuro> "Has anyone lost a bag of shopping? A white carrier bag with produce and water has been handed in – found in the Coffee Lounge earlier today."
[16:53] <neuro> the fun emails i get at work
[17:06] <jussi> neuro: capital one :/
[17:06] <neuro> aye
[17:23] <knightwise> eeevenin everyone
[17:23] <knightwise> hey emma
[17:23] <knightwise> hey jussi neuro !
[17:24] <jussi> knightwise: hi. hows the wife coping with E?
[17:24] <knightwise> Doin fine :)
[17:24] <knightwise> just did her first workflows today ( mail , printing out some shipping tickets and stuff)
[17:25] <knightwise> she only mentioned that it looks a little different , but that its also a little faster
[17:25] <knightwise> so thats a good thing :)
[17:25] <knightwise> Today I mounted our picture share in a folder and pointed her screensaver at the directory
[17:26] <knightwise> so now she has her "picture slideshow" as a screensaver
[17:26] <jussi> knightwise: you removed the naughty pictures I hope :P :P
[17:27] <knightwise> We have a seperate share for those :p
[17:27] <jussi> hehe
[17:29] <neuro> ello knightwise
[17:29] <SuperEngineer> So let's see who's up for a partion question... "building" a new PC with new disk amonst other stuff...
[17:30] <neuro> you know partion isn't a word, right?
[17:30]  * neuro runs
[17:30] <SuperEngineer> if I want to pre-partiton the disk [reason soon obvious]...
[17:30] <knightwise> go on ...
[17:32] <SuperEngineer> could I create a root partition on new disk & simply copy all root stuff from [single partion setup on existing disk] to the new? [copy using sudo assumed]
[17:32] <SuperEngineer> then create home and do the obvious
[17:33] <neuro> why not just fresh install?
[17:33] <knightwise> Dd-ing everythong over is not recommended
[17:33] <knightwise> i would do a fresh install and just copy over the /home
[17:33] <neuro> dd would work if the partition sizes match
[17:33] <neuro> like exactly
[17:34] <SuperEngineer> want to wait till 14.04 release rather than start at beta
[17:34] <neuro> copying sounds like too much hassle, pain dealing with dev, proc, etc
[17:34] <knightwise> SuperEngineer: give us the whole story .. what are you doin ?
[17:35] <neuro> why not wait til 14.04 comes out then? :)
[17:35] <SuperEngineer> knightwise: - semi-building new pc [exisiting is an old Dell Dimension with extra memory & better graphics card & bigger disks etc
[17:36] <SuperEngineer> new is based on a Zoostorm [+ nVidia GTX650, extra disk and as much as can be salvagedfrom Dell as is useful
[17:37] <SuperEngineer> neuro: I'm soon to go for a knee op - I will be off the road for a little while after - thought that this would be good time to do the dirty
[17:37] <neuro> 13.10 then?
[17:37] <neuro> and do a release upgrade come april?
[17:38] <SuperEngineer> ...though still waiting for required psu to arrive and for dearest sistewr to send early birthday pressy to double the 4GB RAM in it
[17:38] <neuro> just be wary of the ram in the zoostorms
[17:38] <neuro> i had to replace mine very very quickly
[17:39] <neuro> and the HDD i got was shonky as well
[17:39] <SuperEngineer> neuro: that brings me back to original q/  !
[17:39] <SuperEngineer> I want to set this up "right" -  I would like separate root, home [+dat] partitions
[17:39] <knightwise> I would do a clean install on a clean system.
[17:40] <knightwise> so seperate partitions for / home and swap
[17:40] <knightwise> nice and clean
[17:40] <knightwise> and then just copy over your settings in /home
[17:41] <SuperEngineer> copy /home from 12.04 to which - 13.10 [not fancied], 14.04 [still late beta]. hmmm
[17:41] <neuro> do a 12.04 install then?
[17:41] <neuro> so everything marries up
[17:41] <knightwise> i did that today
[17:41] <neuro> then do the 14.04 upgrade
[17:42] <knightwise> installed 12.04 on my mac mini (and yesterday on my wifes imac)
[17:42] <neuro> ewww!
[17:42] <neuro> heathen!
[17:42] <knightwise> no .. i'm a SLIDER :)
[17:42] <knightwise> cross platform guru :)
[17:42]  * neuro hugs his Macs
[17:42] <neuro> there, there
[17:42] <neuro> don't listen to the bad man
[17:42] <knightwise> Hahahah :p
[17:42] <knightwise> I do horrible things to macs :)
[17:42] <SuperEngineer> or download 12.04.4 and re-update it!  why the whotsits didn't I think of that option!!!! [thanks for being my brain / bouncing board - sincerely]
[17:43] <neuro> hehe
[17:43] <knightwise> there you go :)
[17:44] <SuperEngineer> I *do* think U-UK should be compulsory or available on the NHS at least ;)
[17:44] <knightwise> neuro : here's a horror story for you http://knightwise.com/switch-week-linux-on-the-imac-and-more/
[17:44] <neuro> HEATHEN!
[17:45] <knightwise> As the daleks say BLAS-PHE-MY !
[17:45]  * SuperEngineer downloads 12.04.4 - smiles
[18:01] <SuperEngineer> darn... now I've got to thinking about "full utilsation"...
[18:03] <SuperEngineer> ..any know if there is any advantage in running the desktop monitor from on boarrd graphics and leaving the nVidia to dribe the "big screen" [the TV]
[18:04] <SuperEngineer> or maybe use spare monitor [vga only] attached to onboard graphics & let nvidia to main monitor + TV
[18:07] <SuperEngineer> [or maybe just experiment & find out when all safely uo & running ;) ]
[18:08] <mapps> yo
[18:08] <SuperEngineer> whoops - apparently brain thought I was on #SpellItBadly channel
[18:08] <mapps> whats up guys
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> ^ that way
[18:09] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: was that for moi?
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> no, for mapps
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> he asked what up was
[18:10] <SuperEngineer> hokey dokeys
[18:10] <mapps> :D
[18:11] <mapps> hey MartijnVdS
[18:11]  * SuperEngineer searches key map for other "ups"
[18:11] <mapps> have you been to the amsterdam dungeons?
[18:11] <mapps> or london even
[18:11] <mapps> :)
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> mapps: no.
[18:11] <mapps> has anyone? im guessing london dungeons is jack the ripper
[18:14] <shauno> I've always avoided them.  seems like an incredibly cheesy chain
[18:17] <mapps> oh#
[18:17] <mapps> i loved the amstersam dungeon..butr i did expect it to suck tbh shauno
[18:17] <mapps> just wondered how good the london one is
[18:20] <mapps> still not managed to fix the socket errors on this stupid url filtering stuff
[18:26] <shauno> this is absolute genius; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoTMC-uxJoo
[18:26] <shauno> I actually wish we had a use for these 'water curtain' signs just because they look neat
[18:51] <dwatkins> put one in yourt shower
[18:59] <SuperEngineer> tempted to suggest replacing "yourt shower" with "yoghurt shower" - seems so much more fun
[19:18] <shauno> a shower in a yurt does sound quite awkward
[19:33] <mapps> a yurt
[19:33] <mapps> that a tent kinda thing?
[19:55] <shauno> indeed
[20:11] <ali1234> it's new humble bundle time...
[20:26] <MooDoo> evening all
[20:45] <daubers> Evening
[21:35] <mapps> hmm
[21:36] <mapps> i noticed my machines connection had died
[21:36] <mapps> so i tried
[21:36] <mapps> oogging onto it locally..AND its just hanging on login after ive enterred my password
[21:37] <ali1234> probably out of memory or disk space
[21:39] <mapps> ah ok would that cause that? where would an error about that be written to
[21:39] <ali1234> dmesg?
[21:39] <ali1234> but the point is that if you run out of disk space nothing can write to any logs
[21:39] <mapps> hmm
[21:39] <mapps> i think its memory]got 800gb free
[21:39] <diddledan> I've also had issues where /dev/pts isn't mounted but that's an esoteric issue that I've only encountered on gentoos
[21:40] <ali1234> if you run out of ram it triggers swapping which overloads disk io and makes reading or writing impossible, effectively hanging the machine
[21:40] <diddledan> and only affected ssh
[21:40] <ali1234> i don't understand why they even bother enabling swap
[21:40] <mapps> ah so that would be why the connection died too
[21:40] <ali1234> all it does is make the computer freeze for 20 minutes before the oom killer kicks in
[21:41] <mapps> oom?:)
[21:41] <diddledan> ali1234: swap is a bit of a mess on linux isn't it?! :-p
[21:41] <ali1234> swap isn't the problem, the i/o scheduler is
[21:41] <ali1234> it's total garbage
[21:41] <ali1234> noop scheduler performs better on any type of disk
[21:42] <ali1234> *possibly excluding high end raid arrays, ut who the hell has one of those?
[21:45] <ali1234> the other day i tried to tar up a large directory on a web server... the server stopped serving pages until i killed tar
[21:45] <diddledan> it's not uncommon to see 4GB of swap available on random boxes - that's gonna take some time to reach the OOM where the system is unresponsive
[21:45] <diddledan> ouch
[21:46] <diddledan> similar behaviour is another reason Gentoo are bad servers when it comes to upgrade time
[21:46] <ali1234> i have 16gb ram and 32gb swap
[21:46] <diddledan> "I'll just compile this upgradE"
[21:47] <diddledan> "in 1GB of RAMs and 1CPU"
[21:47] <ali1234> the computer can hang for literally hours if some badly behaved program decides to use 32gb of ram
[21:48] <ali1234> it always recovers once the oom killer kicks in, but usually X crashes due to very very overdue irqs
[21:49] <ali1234> this is why i want cgroups support, so i can reserve say 1gb for system processes
[21:49] <diddledan> isn't the point of an IRQ that it actually interrupts something? :-p
[21:49] <ali1234> yeah you'd think that but apparently disk i/o already runs in irq mode, who knows?
[21:49] <ali1234> you can't irq inside an irq
[21:50] <diddledan> >.<
[21:50] <ali1234> (maybe you can on x86, it wouldn't surprise me all that much)
[21:51] <diddledan> it would be nice if the IRQ could use all CPUs/Cores instead of hitting the same one all the time for backwards compatibility (or so I read?)
[21:51] <ali1234> it wouldn't really be all that useful
[21:52] <ali1234> most IRQs are not time critical in normal operation
[21:53] <ali1234> it only becomes a problem when the kernel hangs for more than a few minutes at a time
[21:53] <ali1234> you're not supposed to do anything inside IRQ context except clear the flags and marshal the data into some kind of queue so that it can be handled in a non-IRQ context
[21:54] <ali1234> of course, that sometimes involves allocating memory...
[21:54] <diddledan> isn't there a DoS technique referred to as an interrupt storm? :-D
[21:55] <ali1234> i dunno, but i would guess that means something else
[21:55] <diddledan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupt_storm
[22:03] <diddledan> heh the interrupt storm is a modern term for a problem that happened on the apollo 11 lunar lander - the infamous 1201 and 1202 errors
[22:04] <diddledan> that also**
[22:04] <diddledan> turns out the guys at nasa were pretty clever
[22:05] <diddledan> """Happily for Apollo 11, the AGC software had been designed with priority scheduling. Just as it had been designed to do, the software automatically recovered, deleting lower priority tasks including the 1668 display task, to complete its critical guidance and control tasks."
[22:06] <diddledan> is that an early OOM killer? :->
[22:07] <diddledan> wow, the apollo guidance computer (AGC) was used all over the place
[22:08] <diddledan> even in submarines
[22:26] <diddledan> I'll just leave this here: http://www.amazon.com/JL421-Badonkadonk-Land-Cruiser-Tank/dp/B00067F1CE/ref=sr_1_3?tag=ohmy0c-20
[22:39] <ali1234> http://apple.stackexchange.com/q/121345/59906
[22:42] <diddledan> why would anyone want to?!
[22:42] <diddledan> I guess "because it's there and my ashtray is a whole foot the other way"
[22:42] <ali1234> i dunno
[23:51] <diddledan> waaa, kernel patches galore]
[23:53] <diddledan> I don't get why ksplice isn't used in more places
[23:54] <Monotoko> isn't that the one Oracle bought?
[23:54] <diddledan> yeah
[23:54] <diddledan> but it was opensauce beforehand
[23:54] <Monotoko> things like that tend to die when companies like Oracle buy them :(
[23:55] <diddledan> indeed
[23:57] <diddledan> looks like the website (ksplice.com) hasn't been updated since the acquisition in 2011
[23:59] <diddledan> I get the impression that nobody in the wider community either knew about it or thought it was a silly idea


[10:45] <PaulW2U> bug 1865169 has been marked Fix Released in error
[10:46] <PaulW2U> Please can someone with necessary permissions revert to Fix Committed?
[18:02] <hggdh> PaulW2U: done
[18:11] <PaulW2U> hggdh: thanks
[19:05] <hggdh> yw