[06:56] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:24] <dwatkins> greetings
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> hello
[07:29] <MooDoo> :D
[07:41] <DJones> Not wanting to wish the days away, but roll on tomorrow, new tablet time
[07:45] <twager> Anyone tell me if a 3g phone will automatically connect to 2g if it cannot find a 3g signal ?
[07:47] <DJones> As far as I know it should do, should pick the best connection, dropping down until as a last resort it starts chucking carrier pidgeons out as though the phone was a magicians top hat
[07:50] <DJones> Although if its a Blackberry, it probably starts with the pidgeon and drops down to postal service
[07:51] <twager> DJones,  Thanks  will give it a whirl...It is an Orange Sanfran dut I have put cyanogenmod on it.
[08:03] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:04] <ikonia> good morning AlanBell
[08:04] <MooDoo> morning
[08:18] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:26] <mungbean> did anyone watch dragons den?
[08:27] <mungbean> the fella trying to flog a copy of the yubikey
[08:27] <SuperMatt> do what now?
[08:28] <mungbean> what i said
[08:28] <dwatkins> mungbean: this? http://www.yubico.com/products/yubikey-hardware/
[08:28] <mungbean> the fella was trying to sell his product which was a copy
[08:28] <SuperMatt> how much of a copy?
[08:44] <dwatkins> oh dear, this program is painful to watch
[08:45] <mungbean> he came for a job interview last week :P
[08:46] <dwatkins> oh, sorry, I havn't got that far yet, I'm still watching the rather unfortunate fashion magazine presentation
[08:48] <mungbean> think it was after, interspersed witha toilet flush thing
[09:04] <popey> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/aladdin-key-to-remember-open-source-hardware
[09:04] <popey> thats the thing that was on dragons den
[09:07] <dwatkins> interesting idea, but it does sound like a derivation of the yubikey
[09:07] <AlanBell> no, it isn't
[09:07] <AlanBell> no cryptography involved, not a one time keypad
[09:07] <dwatkins> oh ok, how so?
[09:09] <AlanBell> that thing is just a keyboard sequence
[09:11] <popey> mungbean: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/aladdin-key-to-remember-open-source-hardware
[09:21] <DJones> With the UBuntu images for Nexus 7's, do they allow you to dual boot ubuntu & android or does Ubuntu fully replace Android
[09:22] <popey> we dont support dual boot
[09:22] <popey> but it is possible
[09:22] <popey> http://barrenfrozenwasteland.com/2013/03/dual-booting-android-and-ubuntu-touch-on-the-nexus-7/
[09:22] <popey> from marxjohnson
[09:23] <DJones> Thanks
[09:50]  * bigcalm is glad to be part of stuff in testing once more
[09:50] <bigcalm> Though it's frustrating when functionality that you want isn't ready yet :)
[09:52] <popey> heh
[09:53] <bigcalm> Getting used to how QML works is difficult for me
[09:53] <bigcalm> Seems that file names play a big role in things working correctly
[10:05] <Laney> wonder how long my money is going to take to come back through the tubes from paypal
[10:25] <popey> mine already arrived
[10:27] <daftykins> naturally they saw Laney's and said - hey this is a patient guy, we'll just hold onto this...
[10:28] <Laney> maybe they reinvested it on the 1330 at huntingdon for me
[10:28] <daftykins> :D
[10:28] <daftykins> a hors with your name on
[10:28] <daftykins> horse
[10:46] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:48] <daftykins> hey brobostigon
[10:48] <brobostigon> hey daftykins
[11:18] <penguin42> is it just me...the Register causing Firefox hangs?
[11:18] <penguin42> plugin-container at 117%
[11:23] <gordonjcp> adblock
[11:25] <SuperMatt> I've removed add-block now
[11:26] <SuperMatt> instead, I just have a ninja profile with adblock installed
[11:26] <SuperMatt> I don't know why I spelt adblock so funny the first time around
[11:27] <daftykins> :D
[11:29] <gordonjcp> and, no, plugin-container isn't even running for me
[11:49] <Guest77088> popey: yes, one of those guys
[11:49] <mungbean> from the indiegogo page
[12:03] <bigcalm> andatche: please sort out your connection :)
[12:03] <mgdm> bigcalm: /ignore andatche joins parts quits
[12:04] <bigcalm> mgdm: I could...
[12:04] <andatche> znc issue, sorry
[12:04]  * andatche fixed now
[12:04] <Myrtti> I was getting worried ;-)
[12:06] <daftykins> worried we might have to put him down?
[12:23] <mungbean_> oh great. some numpty has signed up with insurance companies with my email address.
[12:23] <mungbean_> cue a zillion quotes
[12:23] <daftykins> ;/
[12:24] <Laney> might be a good samaritan trying to save you some cash
[12:24] <penguin42> mungbean_: "To be, or not to be...."
[12:24] <mungbean_> my names not sarah though
[12:24] <daftykins> i keep discovering people with my surname across the US because for some reason they keep signing up my<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to things ;/
[12:25] <mgdm> I have the same problem, due to gmail's bizarre handling of . in the local part
[12:25] <mgdm> but then, I don't use gmail as my primary email, so it's not actually that much of an issue
[12:25] <penguin42> daftykins: There are another couple of people with the same name as me at work (big company) - most people forget to use the middle initial to distinguish us
[12:25] <daftykins> haha, ouch
[12:26] <daftykins> firstname.x.surname@ ?
[12:26] <daftykins> seems a bit of a bad choice of policy
[12:26] <penguin42> daftykins: we've each got multiple email addresses, and actually it's mostly people using the address book to look up by name
[12:26] <daftykins> reminds me of those pesky married people changing theirs when working in IT :D
[12:26] <mgdm> well it's either that or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:26] <mungbean_> i have first initial sruname @ gmail
[12:26] <mungbean_> bad move
[12:27] <mungbean_> theres a lot of fbloggs out there
[12:27] <daftykins> :D
[12:27] <daftykins> mungbean_: ones in america started to try and ask me for my family tree up to the 'Mayflower' ;/
[12:28] <mungbean_> i get invited to a lot of job interviews, and family gaterhings
[12:29] <bigcalm> Good to be popular
[12:33] <mungbean_> if my name was shanice
[12:33] <mgdm> Not just at weekends, you mean?
[12:33] <daftykins> i got asked if i'd tutor someones kid once
[12:33] <daftykins> i had to decline, as the commute to California would be killer
[12:34] <jussi>  oh dear... I just received a package from france...
[12:34] <daftykins> D:
[12:34] <bigcalm> This is a bad thing?
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> jussi: Surrender gifts?
[12:35] <jussi> I was getting excited thinking it was something fun... and it was windows/driver cd's from HP....
[12:35]  * jussi sighs...
[12:35] <bigcalm> Haha
[12:35] <daftykins> erk
[12:35] <bigcalm> Sorry, but that's a little funny :)
[12:35] <jussi> it c ame by courier, to the door!
[12:35] <daftykins> :D
[12:35] <daftykins> perhaps only HP France has a CD writer
[12:36] <jussi> hahaa
[12:36] <daftykins> ok i'm gonna head off, bbl \o
[12:36] <jussi> laters
[12:44] <popey> I got a parcel today
[12:45] <popey> https://plus.google.com/u/0/109365858706205035322/posts/PxNMQntYo8a
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> popey: Is it as much fun as the box suggests?
[12:50] <popey> dunno yet ☻
[12:50] <popey> the first one was fun
[12:57] <SuperMatt> I can't even begin to figure out how that game works
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> if only they'd playtested it a little
[12:58] <SuperMatt> that surely would have been a good idea
[12:59] <popey> its good fun
[12:59] <mungbean_> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/374397522/apngasm-foss-animated-png-tools-and-apng-standardi?ref=category
[13:00] <mungbean_> check the $5k pledge
[13:01] <mgdm> o_O
[13:02] <mgdm> Twitter deploy their code in a cooler way than I get to :( https://vine.co/v/heaOxhb3w5p
[13:02] <mungbean_> arduino fans: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2021474419/flutter-20-wireless-arduino-with-half-mile-1km-ran?ref=category
[13:38] <dutchie> hi all - anybody know if there is still a way to import .ovpn configuration into network manager?
[13:39] <SuperMatt> I've no idea, though I can't see any reason why not
[13:39] <SuperMatt> you may have to install the openvpn packages though
[13:40] <SuperMatt> sudo apt-get install network-manager-open
[13:41] <SuperMatt> uhm, there's supposed to be vpn on the end of that
[13:42] <SuperMatt> who knows how I forgot it?
[13:42] <dutchie> ah, i found it
[13:43] <SuperMatt> awesome
[13:43] <dutchie> i was just grabbing "OpenVPN" from the add menu
[13:43] <dutchie> and not seeing the "Import a saved configuration" option at the very bottom
[13:43] <SuperMatt> doh
[13:43] <SuperMatt> well done
[14:13] <mungbean_> linked in search is broken :(
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> mungbean_: linkedin is broken.
[14:22] <bashrc> linkedin is best avoided
[14:33] <mungbean_> :-|
[14:33] <daftykins> all social notworking, in fairness is :)
[14:33] <bashrc> _o_
[14:34] <mungbean_> not if doing some stalking
[14:35] <daftykins> hah
[14:36] <mungbean_> is there an equivalent of unity --reset for windows?
[14:36] <ali1234> yeah, open task manager and kill explorer.exe
[14:37] <mungbean_> thnking more along lines of restore to defaults
[14:37] <mungbean_> something weird about this install
[14:37] <daftykins> what are you wanting to reset 0o
[14:37] <ali1234> ah. boot the recovery disk and copy the backup registry hive over the main one
[14:37] <ali1234> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307545
[14:37] <mungbean_> all fonts are nastified, and opening word, usually would have a blue background outside thepage boundaries, but it is brilliant white
[14:38] <mungbean_> fonts are as if the cleartype settings have been deliverately chosen for masximum difficulty in reading
[14:40] <mungbean_> the wizard doesn't fix it
[14:40] <mungbean_> and there's no way of restoring to defaults
[14:41] <daftykins> is that a bare metal install? 0o
[14:41] <mungbean_> yesh
[14:41] <mungbean_> dual boot
[14:42] <mungbean_> think it all started after plugging a second monitor to the laptop
[14:43] <daftykins> hrmm
[14:47] <SuperMatt> has anyone here looked through the new wallpapers?
[14:50] <bashrc> No
[14:50] <SuperMatt> oh
[14:50] <bashrc> Are they shocking?
[14:50] <SuperMatt> well, I've just looked through them, and many of them seem to be of quite a low quality
[14:51] <ali1234> link?
[14:52] <mungbean_> http://i.imgur.com/SGKisCO.png
[14:52] <SuperMatt> well I just did an apt-get update
[14:53] <SuperMatt> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/ubuntu-13-10-winning-wallpapers-revealed
[14:53] <mungbean_> screnshot of desktop viewed on another monitor shows there is a blue title bar and thing on the left
[14:53] <mungbean_> and search progs is readable
[14:53] <SuperMatt> so look at the 4th one (it's the white shilohette of the salamander)
[14:53] <daftykins> seems pretty conventional mungbean_
[14:53] <mungbean_> yes but on the laptop the blue bits arent showing
[14:54] <daftykins> mungbean_: right click desktop -> personalise -> picking a theme might force a reload?
[14:54] <mungbean_> hmm maybe gamma controls
[14:54] <SuperMatt> the jpg is 2560x1600, but it's just an upscaled version of something much smaller
[14:55] <daftykins> some of those look quite nice
[14:56] <mungbean_> HEY ITS FIXED
[14:56] <mungbean_> the contrast had been changed (possibly by me) from 50 to 55 on the intel graphics options
[14:56] <SuperMatt> the leaf with water droplets is completely out of focus
[14:56] <mungbean_> completely ruins everything
[14:58] <mungbean_> SuperMatt: looks liek they are going for single colour themes
[14:58] <daftykins> mungbean_: how weird
[14:58] <bashrc> I wouldn't exactly characterise those wallpapers as being low quality
[14:58] <mungbean_> "colour enhancement" my butt
[14:59] <SuperMatt> many of them just aren't right
[14:59] <daftykins> so painful looking at those comments
[14:59] <mungbean_> are the comments about unity?
[14:59] <daftykins> nah the wallpaper talk
[14:59] <SuperMatt> they've been submitted at 2560x1600, but when you look at them at native res, not zoomed in or out, many of them are heavily pixelated
[15:00] <SuperMatt> so they've just been upscaled
[15:00] <daftykins> you see they say they've not put the originals up on that page, yeah?
[15:00] <SuperMatt> yeah, but the package has landed in saucy
[15:00] <SuperMatt> I'm looking at them right now
[15:00] <daftykins> oh right
[15:01] <mungbean_> whats the default? still the techicolour chunder?
[15:03] <ali1234> i don't think a new default has been released
[15:03] <SuperMatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/1216223 aha, it seems that something has gone wrong between the original submissions and being packaged
[15:04] <SuperMatt> you're right, the default hasn't been released yet
[15:07] <mungbean_> how long are flapjacks edible for?
[15:07] <mungbean_> no mould visible yet
[15:08] <mungbean_> also...if i upgrade to raring kernel in precise, do i need to upgrade to the xserver-xorg-raring too?
[15:08] <daftykins> when i make them you need power tools to get them apart :> (flapjack)
[15:09] <daftykins> always best eaten from the oven :D
[15:09] <mungbean_> 10 days old
[15:09] <mungbean_> atm
[15:10] <daftykins> what's the worst that could happen ^_^
[15:10] <mungbean_> i die
[15:10] <mungbean_> everybody dies
[15:11] <mungbean_> the universe implodes
[15:11] <daftykins> sucks when people don't spot a rhetorical question :(
[15:11] <mungbean_> glad you stopped me when you did
[15:11] <mungbean_> i just ate one anyway
[15:12] <mungbean_> i can feel the fartrs coming already
[15:12] <mungbean_> 5 farts per flapjack
[15:12] <daftykins> too much info
[15:14] <bigcalm> Have to say, this phone is satisfying my lust for applying updates
[15:14] <mungbean_> i turned that off
[15:15] <bigcalm> You turned off farts?
[15:15] <mungbean_> i wish
[15:15] <mungbean_> or at least my wife wishes
[15:23] <mungbean_> so regarding the other question...anyone done the install of xserver-xorg-lts-raring?
[15:28] <mungbean_> this is why everything is quiet? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21887/intro-and-keynote/
[15:32] <popey> mungbean_: yeah, uds day
[17:04] <penguin42> so lets see, everything on there is in UTC, and we're UTC +1 hmm
[17:06] <penguin42> bah missed the virtualisation one
[17:07] <daftykins> :(
[17:07] <daftykins> things are often better recorded over live :D
[17:08] <penguin42> yeh at least they're up on Youtube
[17:08] <daftykins> heh that dev summit link keeps changing video source
[17:08] <daftykins> someones dancing on the inputs
[17:35] <penguin42> oh dear - the youtube suggestions after watching 'virtualization stack work for saucy' are erm saucy
[17:35] <daftykins> >_<
[17:35] <daftykins> i did think the name was a bit... dangerous
[17:35] <penguin42> well, two lots of Miley Cirus and oddly the Lock Ness Monster
[17:36] <daftykins> hahaha
[17:36] <daftykins> saucy Nessy
[17:36] <daftykins> i checked a 1.5TB drive i pulled from a clients array
[17:37] <daftykins> sure enough - 1,300 odd sectors pending reallocation
[17:37] <daftykins> i seem to be finding record breaking HDD deaths recently :D
[17:38] <ali1234> after the keynote session all the suggested videos were some american popstar "twerking"
[17:38] <penguin42> yeh I think that's the same one
[17:47] <shauno> I'm impressed you found them at all.  still looking :/
[17:48] <shauno> the link from http://uds.ubuntu.com/agenda/ appears to be to something completely unrelated
[17:48] <penguin42> shauno: Yeh they didn't make it easy
[17:48] <penguin42> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/2013-08-27/
[17:49] <shauno> ah, I'd apparently found an entirely different subsite.  nice start.  thanks
[17:49] <Laney> tracks -> tuesday from that page
[17:52] <AlanBell> ali1234: yeah, I learned about twerking from the Ubuntu Developer Summit too
[17:54] <daftykins> kinda fond of the lack of updates on this BigV debian 6 VPS
[17:56] <penguin42> daftykins: Yeh my mail server is still on the non-BigV bytemark stuff
[17:56]  * popey points AlanBell at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21947/client-1308-touch-1404-a11y/
[17:57] <daftykins> penguin42: ah yeah - i helped my friends with those. are you planning to migrate eventually?
[17:57] <penguin42> daftykins: Yeh I should sometime - I think BigV is cheaper
[17:57] <daftykins> penguin42: they did have some node issues a while back, once all the instances were frozen and had to be rebooted manually
[17:58] <daftykins> their CLI tool is great though, just a quick "vm restart <name>" and it was done :>
[17:58] <daftykins> i'm using the BigV VPS with their 'symbiosis' setup, which allows administration pretty much solely via config file creation over SFTP/SCP
[17:58] <penguin42> daftykins: Especially after they rememberd to close the VNC console bug?
[17:59] <daftykins> oh? not familiar with that
[17:59] <penguin42> daftykins: Ah I can't remember the details; but I think there was a 'reboot' button on the interface and that didn't need any auth
[18:00] <daftykins> ooh-err
[18:06] <penguin42> daftykins: https://forum.bytemark.co.uk/comments.php?DiscussionID=4076&page=1#Item_0
[18:07] <daftykins> penguin42: thanks, having a read
[18:24] <daftykins> penguin42: not even sure of my management IP XD
[18:26] <daftykins> penguin42: come to think of it i think i didn't create mine until 2013 so i'm set :)
[18:26] <daftykins> early adopters got burnt
[20:01] <Monotoko2> Damnit, there's a proxy service that you put in your browser, then it sends all requests to blocked sites through them
[20:01] <Monotoko2> then you don't have to go hunting for proxies manually every time
[20:01] <Monotoko2> but I can't remember the name of it
[20:02] <penguin42> Monotoko2: You want a proxy site for hard to remember proxy sites
[20:02] <Monotoko2> penguin42: it gives you a file that you put in your browser
[20:02] <Monotoko2> then when you go to a blocked site, it uses there's instead
[20:02] <Monotoko2> otherwise it uses your connection
[20:03] <Monotoko2> it begins with I if I recall right
[20:07] <mungbean_> i'm sure there's other chans for that kind of request
[20:07] <mungbean_> :P
[20:08] <Monotoko2> mungbean_: not remembering it is driving me absolutely nuts
[20:09] <mungbean_> whats the name of the process that runs the panel in the top right of the screen?
[20:11]  * Monotoko2 headdesks
[20:11] <Monotoko2> I swear hidemyass isn't supposed to be blocked
[20:12] <Monotoko2> unless Virgin have taken to blocking generic proxies
[20:19] <diddledan> Monotoko2, it's got the word "ass" so it's blocked by pr0nfilter like essex uni

[20:22] <shauno> reminds me of an article I read recently; a site kept failing to display properly.  turned out it was because one of the devs had a potty mouth, and some of his more colourful comments in the .css caused the file to get blocked by various things
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> bwaha :)
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> shauno: what about the news site with the article about the "gas explosion" (one word in Dutch: gasexplosie)
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Or the one mentioning magic powers ("toverkracht", "verkracht" means "raped")
[20:25] <shauno> I'm watching a TV show with dutch subtitles.  I'm more and more inclined to believe it's not a real language
[20:25] <mungbean_> i wonder if it will ever become 2nd language in netherlands..
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I get a similar feeling when I channel-surf past BBC Alba
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> shauno: "This must be a joke channel.. right? People don't talk like that?"
[20:26] <mungbean_> what's alba?
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> mungbean_: http://www.bbc.co.uk/alba/
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> I guess it's Scotland
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> but it looks Irishish?
[20:27] <shauno> they're related
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> hence the extra "ish" :)
[20:28] <shauno> brythonic is the word you're looking for ;)
[20:29] <mungbean_> my son says dominoeses ...reminds me of gollum
[20:29] <shauno> hm, or not.  that's what I get for trying to look clever
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> mungbean_: preciousss :)
[20:44] <shauno> seriously, overwinning?  that's a word?
[21:08] <diddledan> shauno, sounds like something that matrin sheen would say
[21:10] <diddledan> no, I don't mean martin
[21:10] <diddledan> his son
[21:10] <shauno> I really need to turn these silly subtitles off.  I'm spending more time watching all these crazy words, than actually watching the show
[21:11] <diddledan> charlie sheen
[21:11] <diddledan> I had to google his name
[21:12] <diddledan> shows how out of touch I am :-p
[21:15] <diddledan> oh joy of joys: quote: "SOPA is back.   Singing “Happy Birthday” with your family and videotaping it would be a felony. Click here to say NO to SOPA censorship."
[21:16] <diddledan> obviously I didn't mean to copy+paste the click here bit
[21:16] <diddledan> and no, you can't click there
[21:16] <diddledan> :-p
[22:34] <Monotoko2> Hi,
[22:34] <Monotoko2> I'm the sysadmin at ZyNet, I was informed at 22:45 that our main server
[22:34] <Monotoko2> (Neville) has gone down. I can't connect via SSH or HTTP so went to your
[22:34] <Monotoko2> control panel to do some troubleshooting. However
[22:34] <Monotoko2> https://cp.flexiscale.comis down and I am unable to connect from this
[22:34] <Monotoko2> PC or any other PC.
[22:34] <Monotoko2> I then tried to use your API to at least see if I could reboot our affected
[22:34] <Monotoko2> server, however I'm unable to connect to that either.
[22:34] <Monotoko2> I'm sorry to email you out of hours but that is our main server and we need
[22:34] <Monotoko2> it up ASAP.
[22:34] <Monotoko2> Regards,
[22:34] <Monotoko2> ...........
[22:34] <Monotoko2> I apologise, please ignore that
[22:34] <penguin42> oh sure...
[22:34]  * penguin42 takes away Monotoko2's paste button
[22:35] <Monotoko2> penguin42: I have irssi in a putty window
[22:35] <Monotoko2> right click is paste -.-
[22:35] <Monotoko2> i right clicked thinking I could open another tab because that's what I usually do under Linux
[22:46] <ali1234> this is why i use a gui irc client
[22:46] <ali1234> even if i paste accidentally i still have to press return before it sends it
[22:52] <Monotoko2> ali1234: true, but I can pull this screen up from any machine which is why I use it.


[10:49] <user|42> hello new to this distro have played around with others my question is can Kubuntu run on memory card
[10:51] <diogenes_Vx15> user|42, if other distros can then definitely.
[10:52] <user|42> thank you I could not find a simple answer appreciate your time
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[20:41] <Guest2694> wow
[20:41] <Guest2694> surprised IRC is still a thing :D
[23:11] <waffeln> hi people, i'd like to ask if it's possible in Kubuntu to make Shift + Scroll wheel do horizontal scrolling like in Windows.
[23:18] <valorie> waffeln: probably
[23:18] <waffeln> do you know how?
[23:19] <valorie> if you use alt+space then type settings
[23:19] <valorie> look at the top of your screen
[23:19] <waffeln> i already searched the system settings but couldn't find anything :/
[23:19] <valorie> that's called Krunner
[23:19] <valorie> hmmm
[23:19] <waffeln> i also searched online and only found instructions for gnome or using the "xautomation" package
[23:20] <valorie> I don't have a scroll wheel to check, sorry
[23:20] <valorie> if you don't get another answer here, try #kde
[23:20] <valorie> I'm sure it's possible, but dunno how, sorry
[23:20] <waffeln> i'll try there. i thought it'd be best to ask in the distro community first since Kubuntu might have modified parts of KDE - i don't know :)
[23:21] <waffeln> thanks regardless :)
[23:21] <valorie> no, we don't
[23:21] <valorie> we work with the plasma and app devels tho
[23:22] <valorie> and all the KDE devels work with gnome devels as well to make shortcuts etc. as universal as possible
[23:22] <waffeln> that's cool
[23:23] <valorie> yes, collaboration is really powerful
[23:23] <valorie> all of us want to make all of linux as easy as possible for all users
[23:25] <waffeln> that makes sense. it's awesome to see both consistency while still having variety.
[23:25] <valorie> we're all in this together, in spite of the urban myths saying otherwise
[23:25] <valorie> agreed
[23:25] <waffeln> yeah urban myths is about linux elitists which also say that you should never use ubuntu.
[23:26] <waffeln> ignoring the fact that while ubuntu might not be perfect, it's still a lot better than the direction microsoft windows is heading.
[23:26] <valorie> amen
[23:27] <valorie> although you can basically run linux *from* win
[23:28] <waffeln> there's this saying that just like with many things like fighting climate change and reducing animal harm, we don't need a few people doing it perfectly, we need many people doing it imperfectly.
[23:28] <valorie> yes
[23:28] <waffeln> yeah i've been using WSL for many years now.
[23:28] <waffeln> i think it has made my move over to using linux as a main OS easier.
[23:28] <valorie> I do genealogy and most of the people I work with use Windows
[23:28] <waffeln> i know the whole microsoft EEE thing but it's been solely positive for me.
[23:29] <valorie> and as you say, we are all in this together
[23:30] <waffeln> we just have to hope and pray that ""niche"" industries pay more attention to linux. i'm a hobbyist DJ and there's tons of software that i can't work without that doesn't run on linux.
[23:30] <valorie> check out Ubuntu Studio
[23:30] <valorie> it's for YOU
[23:31] <waffeln> but realistically only more linux adoption will have any influence on that. first the users need to move - the corporations won't make the first move.
[23:31] <waffeln> (with some exceptions, like davinci resolve)
[23:31] <valorie> and it uses the Plasma desktop by default
[23:31] <waffeln> TIL!
[23:31] <waffeln> but it's not gonna cut it for me. i know for sure that the programs i use are without alternatives.
[23:32] <valorie> !ubuntustudio
[23:32] <waffeln> e.g. rekordbox, foobar2000 and all the smaller programs that make club DJing possible.
[23:32] <valorie> right, but working with their users might be useful
[23:32] <Eickmeyer> !info mixx
[23:32] <Eickmeyer> ope
[23:32] <waffeln> of course i know about mixxx.
[23:33] <Eickmeyer> idjc used to be a thing.
[23:33] <waffeln> but it can't prepare a CDJ-compatible USB stick with the same features as rekordbox.
[23:33] <valorie> got it
[23:34] <waffeln> at least gaming is on a good path towards more and more linux support through steamdeck and the like.
[23:34] <valorie> the size of a userbase makes a difference
[23:35] <waffeln> right now i have 1 PC for gaming, 2 laptops for DJing, 1 linux main PC for software development and misc. and 2 servers with linux.
[23:35] <waffeln> maybe in 5 or 10 years i can move the gaming PC to linux too.


[01:40] <robert_ancell> Has anyone been looking into Freon on ChromeOS?
[02:05] <duflu> robert_ancell: Not as far as I know. Seems probably irrelevant. It's a very lean single "platform" implementation of what Mir's "Mesa" platform is.
[02:05] <duflu> ... which I'm working on making even faster
[02:06] <robert_ancell> duflu, I'm interested in what they did for input devices / access permission to the drm device etc
[02:07] <duflu> robert_ancell: Are we not going to do it the way we did for X11? Or searching for a better option?
[02:07] <robert_ancell> I'm just interested in their solution. I don't think it has any effect on us
[02:08] <duflu> robert_ancell: Also remember ChromeOS/Android != Ubuntu
[02:08] <robert_ancell> They have a very limited use case so they can drasticly simplify.
[02:08] <duflu> Whatever they use we might not have, and vice-versa
[02:08] <robert_ancell> I didn't make that connection at all...
[02:08] <duflu> robert_ancell: In the same way that Android kernel != Ubuntu kernel
[02:09] <robert_ancell> I'm pretty sure their kernel has nothing to do with the Android one
[02:10] <duflu> robert_ancell: No, but you're assuming it's closer to Ubuntu than the Android one is. It might be equally distant in new ways (tm)
[02:10] <robert_ancell> I haven't made that assumption either
[02:12] <duflu> robert_ancell: Suffice to say Mir already has code that replaces what Freon does. And that DRM platform in Mir we call "Mesa" is excitingly more mature and capable than Mir's Android platform
[02:13] <duflu> Although we're always working on improving performance
[09:23] <alan_g> alf_: duflu anpok_ - anyone else going to look over this? https://code.launchpad.net/~albaguirre/mir/fix-1427976-take2/+merge/252031
[09:24] <duflu> alan_g: If so then not today
[09:25] <alf_> alan_g: I will, in a bit
[10:12] <alan_g> greyback: thanks for confirming U8 does what I suspected.
[10:12] <greyback> np
[10:13] <greyback> giving input focus to somethign which isn't visible to the user is just wrong IMO
[10:15] <alan_g> Me too. But someone put in the effort to do it and the rest of us let it land.
[10:35] <duflu> greyback: I thought so too. But now come to think of it, that's useful. We can just get the Scene (SurfaceStack) to check if the focussed surface is visible() next time it does a frame. And if not visible by then, revert to previously focussed
[10:35] <duflu> Give the surface a frame to become visible and if it's fast enough, it gets focus.
[10:36] <duflu> Although there's also the cookie stuff ...
[10:36]  * duflu -> dinner
[10:36] <greyback> duflu: with unity8, the surface only appears in the SurfaceStack (equivalent) when it has drawn a frame
[10:36] <greyback> is a surface a surface if nothing has been drawn?
[10:36] <greyback> I think no
[10:36] <duflu> greyback: Right, but you need to know "preferred focus" which might be a surface not yet visible
[10:37]  * duflu -> dinner really
[10:37] <greyback> duflu: sure, but that's a focus decision, which is more likely related to surface being user-visible than being created
[10:37] <greyback> ah, he's gone
[10:41] <alan_g> There are also scenarios (like activating menus) where it isn't essential for the surface to paint for it to affect the processing of input. (But there are other ways to handle that.)
[10:42] <greyback> right
[17:24] <alan_g> alf_: you've tracked down a couple of these in the past. I must be missing something - have you time to help? https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/is-NullWindowManager-better-than-GenericShell/+merge/252147/comments/626462
[22:35] <racarr> InputDispatcher->InputSender port is mostly working...some race appearing where the finished signal isn't percolating properly and then delivery starts to slow down (timeouts eventually make it work)


[04:47] <EndymionM> Is this where I can ask questions about Unity 2d?
[06:12] <akiva-mobile> I am having problems building unity on 13.10. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7134335/
[06:13] <akiva-mobile> im stalling at line 64
[06:13] <akiva-mobile> and 69, and I have very little experience with cmake


[02:16] <grantbow> is anyone from the sf-lug.org meeting online?
[15:51] <nhaines> Well, this should be exciting.  9 more minutes.  :)
[15:52] <nhaines> jono: am I going to be able to easily restore Android 4.2.2 to my Galaxy Nexus after SCALE?
[15:52] <Darkwing> nhaines: Is there a live stream of any conf that you know of?
[15:52] <nhaines> Darkwing: I find out in 8 minutes.
[15:52] <nhaines> To my dismay 30 minutes ago, http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet doesn't work.  ;)
[15:52] <darthrobot> [404] Title: [Ubuntu | Page not found | Ubuntu]
[15:52] <Darkwing> nhaines: Restoring to anydroid is actually easy... I've been going back and forth with my Nexus 7 between Ubuntu and Android.
[15:53] <Darkwing> *Android
[15:53] <Darkwing> It's just re-flashing the firmware with fastboot.
[15:53] <nhaines> I'd be happier if the Ubuntu tool did it for me.  But I'm sure I'll be able to figure it out.  :)
[15:53] <Darkwing> I can help you though it if needed.
[15:53] <nhaines> I *think* my 4.2.1 firmware is the full OS.
[15:53] <nhaines> Darkwing: thanks.
[15:54] <Darkwing> What version of the galaxy nexus do you have?
[15:54] <Darkwing> I have the verizon version... I'm worried that it isn't going to work on mine because of the CDMA/4GLTE chip
[15:55] <nhaines> GSM version.
[15:55] <nhaines> And no, yours won't work.  :)
[15:55] <Darkwing> I'll have to port it from AOSP (Android Open Source Project) and patch Ubuntu on the phone I think
[15:55] <nhaines> Well, it might work but no radio.
[15:55] <Darkwing> I'll write a patch I think.
[15:59] <Darkwing> Would be nice if they relied on the flashed radios... That would make it clean throughout for all radio types.
[16:00] <nhaines> Aaaand... ubuntu.com hates life.
[16:01]  * Darkwing watches as ubuntu.com bandwitch goes to... you know what
[16:01] <Darkwing> *Bandwidth
[16:05] <Darkwing> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet is live
[16:05] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu on tablets | Ubuntu]
[16:10] <nhaines> "SideStage" isn't unique to Ubuntu but is probably the best thing about Windows 8.
[16:12] <Darkwing> So, no real information other that design layout...
[16:13] <nhaines> Plus integration information.
[16:13] <philipballew> It's just one more product I dont have the money or need for.
[16:14] <Darkwing> It's interesting...
[16:14] <Darkwing> I have a Nexus 7 and a galaxy nexus so, maybe if they release images for the nexus line I'll be able to test more
[16:14] <nhaines> philipballew: you don't need a phone?
[16:15] <philipballew> nhaines, I tend to be a "dumb phone" person
[16:17] <nhaines> I definitely can't say the minimal Unity design aesthetic didn't translate superbly to phone and tablet.
[16:19] <philipballew> yes, it is nice across all platforms.
[16:21] <nhaines> I was hoping that the tablet experience would be more PC-like, but perhaps it will be easy to adapt desktop apps.
[16:22] <nhaines> Guess I'm memorizing all the press kits before the weekend: http://www.ubuntu.com/2013/02/press-pack-ubuntu-tablet
[16:22] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu phone press pack | Ubuntu]
[16:23] <philipballew> nhaines, yeah, thats the hard part. We all need to know some stuff about this since everyones gonna wanna know about it
[16:25] <nhaines> philipballew: if we have a demo system at the booth that's going to be driving videos or slides, then we'll want to grab the tablet and phone vids.
[16:25] <philipballew> were gonna have two computers, I think one should be to have people play with, and the other to show some demo videos.
[16:26] <philipballew> so nhaines I guess I will find some nce ubuntu videos
[16:28] <philipballew> I still see no reason to care.
[16:31] <nhaines> Well, it makes the Ubuntu mobile SDK a lot more powerful and critical.
[16:33] <nhaines> And it validates Canonical's stated design goals with Unity.
[16:55] <nhaines> Oh, Ubunru for tablets hits Thursday too.
[17:28] <Darkwing> Whoot. dual booting Android and Ubuntu on my Nexus 7
[17:29] <Torikun> ubuntu was so slow on the n7, how you like it Darkwing
[17:30] <Darkwing> Firing up... It's okay so far. I'm a KDE user so I'm concentrating on that...
[17:30] <Darkwing> Or rather, working on getting Kubuntu Active running correctly
[17:39] <Torikun> ah ok
[20:12] <grantbow> Darkwing: cool!


[03:10] <jamesh> robert_ancell: so it looks like my initial snapd polkit patch might get merged soon
[03:10] <robert_ancell> jamesh, congats!
[03:11] <jamesh> With it merged, we could bypass snapd-login-service.  But more interestingly, we can start the discussion about getting gnome-software to install snaps without a store account
[03:15] <robert_ancell> jamesh, did you have any luck contacting Richard regarding https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=784773
[03:18] <jamesh> I haven't yet.  How does he prefer to handle patches other than the bug tracker?
[03:18] <robert_ancell> ping him on IRC or email if he hasn't noticed it.
[03:19] <jamesh> okay
[03:20] <jamesh> For the network-manager patches I worked on, I emailed their list about my bug report and was directed back to bugzilla again :)
[03:21] <robert_ancell> every project is different :) Will be much more clear when GitLab is used in GNOME
[03:26] <jamesh> Most annoying thing about working on network-manager was code indentation: they've got emacs indentation config at the top of each file, but that doesn't actually format code the way they want it.
[03:26] <jamesh> they want both tabs and spaces
[04:47] <robert_ancell> jamesh, you should commit your gnome-software classic changes to wip/ubuntu-master and then upload them to artful so that gets in before FF
[06:16] <didrocks> good morning
[06:34] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:44] <tsimonq2> o/
[06:47] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, hey tsimonq2!
[06:48] <oSoMoN> hey didrocks, tsimonq2
[06:48] <tsimonq2> Hey everyone, how's things?
[06:48] <jibel> morning all
[06:49] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[06:50] <jibel> Salut oSoMoN
[06:51] <jibel> oSoMoN, sad news in Spain, all my thoughts are with the people of Spain
[06:54] <oSoMoN> yeah, that’s absolutely terrible
[06:57] <didrocks> salut jibel
[06:59] <jibel> bonjour didrocks
[07:36] <jibel> didrocks, is there a way to enable auto-hide for the ubuntu-dock?
[07:38] <didrocks> jibel: in gnome control center, there is
[07:38] <didrocks> jibel: wait for my blog post that I'll publish later today :)
[07:38] <didrocks> (it's in the display panel of new g-c-c)
[07:39] <jibel> didrocks, hmm, I didn't find the setting in gcc
[07:39] <jibel> g-c-c
[07:39] <didrocks> jibel: do you have the one from today?
[07:39] <didrocks> which is in proposed?
[07:39] <jibel> ah no, I'll wait
[07:40] <jibel> or not ... :)
[07:40] <didrocks> I didn't install the dock by default yet for a reason :)
[07:40] <didrocks> jibel: you can use the transition ppa if you prefer
[07:40] <didrocks> jibel: it's basically what's in proposed
[07:40] <didrocks> (with lower versoins)
[07:40] <didrocks> versions*
[07:40] <didrocks> (and no ubuntu-meta yet, I'm waiting for ubuntu-dock main migration to publish on amd64…)
[07:41] <didrocks> launching the command 1h20 minutes ago and still not published
[07:41] <didrocks> (other archs are)
[07:41] <didrocks> need that to refresh ubuntu-meta, upload it and done
[07:41] <didrocks> Added gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock to desktop [amd64 i386]
[07:41] <didrocks> \o/
[07:42] <andyrock> good morning
[07:43] <didrocks> hey andyrock
[07:44] <andyrock> hey didrocks how are you?
[07:45] <didrocks> andyrock: tired and busy, but overall good
[07:45] <didrocks> yourself?
[07:46] <thumper-afk> o/ andyrock and didrocks
[07:47] <didrocks> hey thumper, how are things? :)
[07:47] <thumper> good... busy... you know
[07:48] <flexiondotorg> Morning oSoMoN didrocks jibel andyrock
[07:48] <didrocks> I bet!
[07:48] <didrocks> morning flexiondotorg
[07:48] <jibel> good morning flexiondotorg
[07:49] <thumper> it took be a while to parse that nick
[07:54] <oSoMoN> morning flexiondotorg
[07:55] <oSoMoN> hey andyrock
[08:08] <willcooke> o/
[08:18] <duflu> \o
[09:37] <oSoMoN> I've had gnome-software consuming 100% CPU for the most part of the morning
[09:37] <oSoMoN> thought that was VMs or video-conferencing, but it turns out it was gnome-software
[09:38] <oSoMoN> I didn't even open it or anything, it's the daemon that did that
[10:11] <willcooke> oSoMoN, I've seen another bug report saying the same thing
[10:11] <willcooke> lemme see if I can find it
[10:19] <willcooke> oSoMoN, still looking, but is there anything in syslog?
[10:20] <willcooke> Could be: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1711178
[10:21] <duflu> Woo, I have a first significant fix for totem's stuttering. But still need to look for more troublespots next week
[10:21] <duflu> Maybe by next week git push will finish
[10:21] <willcooke> duflu, nice one!
[10:22] <duflu> willcooke, if anyone wants to try it out then for now all I can offer is code: https://git.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/ubuntu/+source/totem/commit/?id=02076c41f892e214d946457f944c6da3011307f1
[10:23] <duflu> And good night
[10:23] <willcooke> night duflu
[10:23] <willcooke> have a good weekend
[10:23] <duflu> You too...
[10:23] <oSoMoN> have a good one duflu
[10:24] <jbicha> willcooke: http://connectivity-check.ubuntu.com/ still redirects to https which makes the http version not work
[10:25] <willcooke> jbicha, yeah, I  ask jamon to update that.  In the meantime I'm testing with the debian one.
[10:25] <willcooke> jbicha, also morning :)
[10:25] <jbicha> good morning
[10:25] <willcooke> jbicha, but, things get stranger...
[10:25] <willcooke> I did a packet capture, conn checker isn't actually sending the GET
[10:26] <willcooke> SYN -> ACK -> SYN ACK -> nothing
[10:26] <oSoMoN> willcooke, that’s all there is in my syslog related to gnome-software: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25338985/
[10:26] <willcooke> oSoMoN, hummm. didrocks - could this be related to d2d at all? ^
[10:26] <oSoMoN> I killed the process much later
[10:26] <willcooke> oSoMoN, are you running proposed?
[10:27] <oSoMoN> nope
[10:27] <willcooke> oh, then it's probably not d2d
[10:27] <willcooke> jbicha, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786432
[10:40] <jbicha> didrocks: do you think you'll have time on Monday to help with the gjs transition?
[11:09] <jbicha> oh, Monday's not good for me, maybe Tuesday then
[11:49] <dreamcat4> hey there. I heard you are having an event next week to improve the default gnome3 GUI
[11:50] <willcooke> dreamcat4, hi! That's right
[11:50] <dreamcat4> ... well it just so happens that I have recently put together a great package of gnome 3 customizations for the default gnome 3 desktop
[11:50] <dreamcat4> so i would like to provide all that here in advance for you guys
[11:50] <dreamcat4> https://gist.github.com/dreamcat4/ffed57b19c6d69dffee91fb0ecb72171
[11:50] <willcooke> dreamcat4, awesome, thanks!!
[11:51] <dreamcat4> i'm sure you will already recognize a lot in there, like dash2dock etc
[11:51] <willcooke> dreamcat4, I've added that to our list to review next week
[11:51] <dreamcat4> anyhow these commands you can pretty much just copy-paste really quickly each of the sections to try out
[11:51] <dreamcat4> good luck!
[11:52] <willcooke> thanka dreamcat4, really appreciate the help
[11:52] <dreamcat4> np
[11:54] <jbicha> ricotz: I've gotten zero review of LP: #1668664 could you take a look at merging that for FF56?
[12:08] <didrocks> jbicha: maybe should be fine for me
[12:14] <jbicha> didrocks: ok. What about doing gjs today?
[12:14] <didrocks> jbicha: can't today
[12:14] <jbicha> ok, np
[12:49] <amano> There seems to be some CUPS dependence on ImageMagick. ImageMagick has an old, crufty UI and is very visible in the Activities Menu. When users remove ImageMagick, they will end up without CUPS. Is the dependency really necessary?
[12:54] <jbicha> amano: yes, imagemagick is necessary but we don't need to show its launchers by defaults
[12:55] <jbicha> I proposed splitting those launchers to a separate package that wouldn't be installed by default, so that people who want it can have it
[12:55] <jbicha> but so far the Debian maintainer hasn't been interested :( https://bugs.debian.org/675617
[12:56] <amano> :(
[12:56] <jbicha> but yes, things like imagemagick and xterm (same proposal there) are much more visible in GNOME Shell than they are in other desktops
[12:59] <amano> Well, we have to deal now with GnomeShell. Both stuck out like a sore thumb
[12:59] <jbicha> I guess I might as well just upload my proposals to artful, we can always add Breaks/Replaces to the packaging if we do something different later
[13:04] <amano> I would hide anything in the Software Center that seems unnecessary but might break the core os functionality
[13:05] <ejat> bugs 1711608
[13:05] <ejat> didrocks @ jbicha , any advise?
[13:06] <didrocks> ejat: I don't see the error message you are getting, mind pasting it?
[13:06] <didrocks> ejat: can you try with a new user account as well and see if you reproduce in a clean environment ?
[13:06] <ricotz> jbicha, hi, hmm, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/309177485/firefox-actions-lp1668664.diff looks broken, dropping "OnlyShowIn=Unity;" seems fine, but I won't change the string without translations
[13:07] <ejat> didrocks: brb , let me try with new user account
[13:07] <didrocks> thx!
[13:07] <ejat> no error occur but i can't click the "show applications"
[13:07] <jbicha> ricotz: the string change is the point of the patch! :)
[13:08] <didrocks> ejat: hum, you mentioned "- Error Extension in Gnome Tweak
[13:08] <didrocks> "
[13:08] <didrocks> I guess you can thus see the error?
[13:08] <didrocks> ejat: and so, left clicking on show applications does nothing?
[13:08] <didrocks> (not right-clicking)
[13:09] <ricotz> jbicha, any idea where those translations are coming from? last update was 4 years ago
[13:09] <didrocks> I don't know if Tweaks support well per-mode enabled extensions
[13:09] <didrocks> jbicha: ^
[13:09] <didrocks> (doesn't explain for the button not working ofc)
[13:09] <ejat> and redundant dock when show activities
[13:10] <didrocks> ejat: do you have any other dock installed?
[13:10] <ejat> im typing in the descriptiosn
[13:10] <ejat> no dock installed
[13:10] <didrocks> try first another user with a clean session
[13:10] <didrocks> and let's see
[13:10] <ejat> okie
[13:10] <ejat> brb
[13:10] <ejat> relogin new user
[13:11] <Gargoyle> Internet be like a yo-yo today! :/
[13:12] <amano> @jbicha: or use ubuntu icons instead. E. g. a generic Printer Icon for ImageMagick thus people think that this is related to printing. “oh, printing isn't working. Might that be related to the program with the Printer Icon, that I removed yesterday?“
[13:21] <ejat> didrocks: check my #3 comment attachement
[13:21] <ejat> that is screenshot from new user
[13:22] <ejat> still the same as in the new user account
[13:23] <didrocks> ejat: I don't think gnome-software shows extensions not in extensions website
[13:23] <didrocks> ejat: so not related
[13:23] <didrocks> can you explain what is "the same"
[13:23] <didrocks> like, you click on the application picker
[13:23] <didrocks> and it doesn't do anything?
[13:23] <didrocks> left click
[13:23] <ejat> yups
[13:23] <didrocks> gsettings get org.gnome.shell enabled-extensions
[13:23] <didrocks> what does it prints?
[13:24] <ejat><EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:25] <didrocks> what have you done? Enabled the dock yourself?
[13:25] <didrocks> this is why, you have 2 docks
[13:25] <didrocks> maybe you forced it in same way before it was in today's update?
[13:25] <didrocks> normally, you shouldn't have it enabled in that list, it's part of the mode
[13:25] <ejat> at first i didnt enabled it ..
[13:25] <didrocks> but then you did via 3rd party tool?
[13:26] <ejat> but relogin n reboot , the dock not appear
[13:26] <didrocks> with the transition ppa?
[13:26] <ejat> using gnome tweak
[13:26] <didrocks> jbicha: you have a bug where it's not respecting the mode settings I guess ^
[13:26] <didrocks> ejat: reset the list of extensions and restart your session
[13:26] <ejat> now im just enable the gnome3 staging ppa
[13:26] <didrocks> hum
[13:27] <didrocks> the gnome3 staging ppa don't have the mode in I think
[13:27] <didrocks> so, that's why you are getting those kinds of bugs
[13:27] <jbicha> ejat: run gsettings get org.gnome.shell enabled-extensions
[13:27] <didrocks><EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:27] <ricotz> jbicha, but dropping OnlyShowIn is wanted too e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1615549
[13:27] <jbicha> gsettings reset org.gnome.shell enabled-extensions
[13:27] <didrocks> jbicha: ^
[13:27] <didrocks> yeah
[13:27] <didrocks> reset it
[13:27] <didrocks> as jbicha told
[13:27] <didrocks> but don't expect it to be enable by default yet if you are using the gnome3 ppa
[13:28] <jbicha> ejat: also have you ran apt update; apt dist-upgrade recently (like past hour or so)?
[13:28] <didrocks> it's a mix of offically and non officially supported versions on your machine, and so, you won't have the experience
[13:28] <ejat> jbicha: yups .. thats how i get the ubuntu dock installed
[13:29] <jbicha> ejat: what session did you log in with? and have you tried restarting your computer?
[13:29] <jbicha> maybe even
[13:30] <jbicha> gsetttings reset-recursively org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock
[13:30] <didrocks> I would say reset the key and revert to not using the GNOME 3 ppa if you want to be on the supported path
[13:31] <ejat> gnome session
[13:31] <jbicha> ding ding!
[13:31] <jbicha> you have to use the Ubuntu or Ubuntu on Wayland session to use the Ubuntu dock
[13:31] <ejat> owh
[13:31] <didrocks> ejat: look at the blog post, I regularly mention the "ubuntu" session :)
[13:32] <ejat> my bad
[13:32] <ejat> sorry
[13:32] <didrocks> no worry :)
[13:32] <ejat> didnt see ya blog
[13:32] <didrocks> I can rest and avoid this heart attack :p
[13:32] <ejat> just notice about the dock at OMG
[13:32] <didrocks> ejat: planet ubuntu
[13:32] <ejat> okie ..
[13:32] <ejat> let me relogin to the right session
[13:33] <didrocks> you did reset the keys, correct?
[13:33] <jbicha> ricotz: right and renaming the action to new-window fixes an issue too
[13:33] <didrocks> ejat: I'm still unsure as you have the GNOME 3 ppa that it's a right mix
[13:33] <didrocks> ejat: so, I would say remove the ppa if you want to have the default current experience
[13:33] <jbicha> ricotz: you should ask Chris about the FF translations, not me ;)
[13:33] <didrocks> jbicha: I'm puzzled by the screenshot about the double dash to dock and upstream dash though
[13:34] <didrocks> jbicha: you have shell 3.25.x in your ppa, correct?
[13:34] <jbicha> didrocks: you should try the PPA out for yourself ;)
[13:34] <ejat> didrocks: i've login ubuntu session
[13:34] <jbicha> yes
[13:34] <tjaalton> didrocks: ubuntu-dock should probably conflict with dashtodock? there's a file conflict
[13:35] <ricotz> jbicha, hmm, I assumed the "new-window" change breaks it -- already asked ;)
[13:35] <ejat> Show Applications doesnt list/show the applications
[13:35] <jbicha> your Ubuntu Dock patch for g-c-c doesn't apply (upstream redesigned that panel) but the rest works
[13:35] <didrocks> tjaalton: how come? one is local, the one system-wide
[13:35] <didrocks> jbicha: my system is frankeistein enough, so couldn't really try :)
[13:35] <didrocks> jbicha: ah, almost good thus! :)
[13:35] <ejat> the upstream dash still there when i click "activities"
[13:35] <tjaalton> didrocks: dash-to-dock.gschema.xml is in both
[13:35] <didrocks> tjaalton: yeah, but not install in the same location
[13:36] <didrocks> ejat: please remove the GNOME 3 ppa and clear those packages and we can have a look after
[13:36] <tjaalton> dpkg: error processing archive /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-oFYsKm/65-gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock_0.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[13:36] <ejat> okie
[13:36] <tjaalton>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock.gschema.xml', which is also in package gnome-shell-extension-dashtodock 60-1
[13:36] <didrocks> tjaalton: argh, the package is dashtodock, not dash-to-dock
[13:36] <jbicha> didrocks: yeah it's the same location
[13:37] <didrocks> I didn't find it when looking for it
[13:37]  * ejat removing the ppa now n trying to roll back
[13:37] <didrocks> so only thought it was available online
[13:37] <tjaalton> :)
[13:37] <didrocks> hum
[13:37] <didrocks> annoying
[13:37] <didrocks> I wonder if we should either conflict
[13:37] <didrocks> as then, the override will impact the other one
[13:37] <didrocks> contrary to a local user-installation
[13:38] <ricotz> jbicha, note the "new-window" change is not fdo compliant
[13:38] <jbicha> didrocks: if the schemas are the same, you could split the dashtodock schemas to a separate binary package and have both docks depend on it
[13:38] <didrocks> jbicha: yeah, the schemas are the same, splitting makes sense, but they will still be impacted
[13:39] <didrocks> by our overrides
[13:39] <didrocks> per session
[13:39] <didrocks> contrary to the local install
[13:39] <didrocks> which could be fair enough
[13:39] <jbicha> ricotz: are you sure?
[13:40] <ricotz> jbicha, yes
[13:40] <jbicha> ricotz: could you be more specific about how it violates the spec?
[13:40] <didrocks> would be cool to say Conflicts: <package> #message to display :)
[13:41] <ricotz> jbicha, https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html#extra-actions-identifier and https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html#entries
[13:41] <didrocks> tjaalton: I really need to think about the best strategy
[13:41] <didrocks> tjaalton: mind opening a bug as a reminder and assigning it to me?
[13:41] <tjaalton> didrocks: sure, I don't need dashtodock, so I've just removed it :)
[13:42] <tjaalton> can do
[13:42] <jbicha> ricotz: yes I have the spec open, what's wrong with 'new-window' ?
[13:42] <didrocks> thanks! :)
[13:43] <ricotz> jbicha, ah, it basically is correct, but doesnt make any sense to do so
[13:44] <tjaalton> didrocks: #1711617
[13:44] <didrocks> tjaalton: thx!
[13:44] <jbicha> ricotz: I explained why it's named new-window in LP: #1668664
[13:44] <ricotz> jbicha, this means "NewPrivateWindow" doesnt cause an issue?
[13:45] <ricotz> jbicha, oh, I have read that
[13:45] <ricotz> *not
[13:46] <jbicha> ricotz: right, reusing the 'new-window' identifier overrides GNOME Shell's built-in "New Window" action
[13:46] <didrocks> let's ship a Replaces: for the week-end so that people don't get stuck on that
[13:46] <didrocks> and revisit on monday
[13:51] <ejat> didrocks: sorry to make u heart attack
[13:51]  * ejat purging the ppa n back to stable
[13:51] <didrocks> phew :)
[13:51] <ejat> reboot and login
[13:51] <didrocks> jbicha: something to test, but I think you don't have the mode enabling the extension yet? ^
[13:51] <ejat> all work fine include the "Show Applications"
[13:51] <ricotz> jbicha, ok, I tend to change both action identifiers to make it look less weird
[13:52] <ejat> maybe can remark n close my reported bugs
[13:52] <jbicha> didrocks: yes, it works here
[13:52] <didrocks> ejat: please do :)
[13:52] <didrocks> jbicha: ok, thanks for rebasing ;)
[13:52] <didrocks> jbicha: the only package I'll touch on monday is gnome session and gdm to put wayland by default FYI
[13:52] <jbicha> didrocks: sorry about gnome-control-center, you might have to re-do that patch if we go with 3.26
[13:53] <didrocks> jbicha: is that a big change in the display panel ?
[13:53] <ejat> u already updated the bugs to invalid :)
[13:53] <didrocks> ejat: yep :)
[13:53] <ejat> i still have gdm3 bugs file more regards to tap-to-click :)
[13:54] <ejat> waiting for it too
[13:54] <jbicha> didrocks: quite large diffs: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/log/panels/display
[13:54] <ejat> didrocks: can the dock be resize? its in the milestone?
[14:02] <didrocks> ejat: please look at my blog post
[14:02] <didrocks> you will have your informations here
[14:08] <ejat> didrocks: okay
[14:11] <jibel> what calls xdg-user-dirs-update on first login?
[14:11] <jibel> user dirs are missing on artful after a fresh installation
[14:14] <didrocks> yeah, I saw that one as well
[14:14] <didrocks> I don't remember what was calling it though
[14:14] <didrocks> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60xdg-user-dirs-update
[14:15] <didrocks> ok, so if you are using wayland…
[14:15] <jbicha> didrocks: I believe there's a fix pending in Debian's svn for xdg-user-dirs
[14:15] <jibel> didrocks, /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60xdg-user-dirs-update
[14:15] <jibel> right
[14:16] <didrocks> jibel: oh, interesting, not based on systemd user session I guess?
[14:16] <didrocks> jbicha: ok, if you know about it, please go ahead :)
[14:18] <jbicha> it just uses regular autostart https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome/packages/unstable/xdg-user-dirs/debian/patches/01_add-autostart-file.patch?view=markup
[14:19] <didrocks> ok, that's valid in the Initialization phase
[14:23] <didrocks> jibel: FYI, once ubuntu-settings transition to the release pocket (blocked by glib which is stuck due to nplan flaky autpkgtests), we may have to test the iso, ubiquity may show the dock, have the wrong team and such…
[14:24] <jibel> didrocks, okay, just let me know when everything is in.
[14:24] <jlnr> When I use the new Ubuntu Dock and *don't* set it to auto-hide, and then put a window on the right half of my screen (super+right), there's a one-pixel gap to the right of the window. Does this sound like a new issue? Where should I file it?
[14:25] <jlnr> It might be as simple as a rounding error (dock_width = uneven number, (screen - dock_width) / 2 is being truncated to an integer?)
[14:25] <didrocks> jibel: I'll have a look to once that migrates, but I prefer to warn you so that you don't freak out :)
[14:25] <didrocks> jlnr: I would say open a gnome shell bug with all those details
[14:25] <didrocks> as it's the compositor placing windows
[14:26] <jlnr> I see, so on the GNOME bugzilla?
[14:26] <didrocks> hum, would be great to reproduce it with dash to dock for instance (what you will for sure)
[14:26] <didrocks> and turning off intellihide there
[14:26] <didrocks> to report in upstream GNOME bugzilla
[14:26] <didrocks> but yeah, would be great :)
[14:27] <jlnr> OK, I'll put in on my list
[14:27] <didrocks> you can as well open a launchpad bug and link the upstream report there
[14:27] <didrocks> thanks jlnr!
[15:17] <gQuigs> I believe the changes to restricted-addons are ready for a sponsor (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-restricted-addons/+bug/1709166)
[15:27] <andyrock> mpt: hey hey
[15:27] <mpt> hello
[15:28] <andyrock> mpt: I'm back from holidays and I'm wondering if you did any progress with the livepatch UI design
[15:29] <mpt> andyrock, yes. The overall change is much less now. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates?action=diff&rev2=221&rev1=211>
[15:30] <andyrock> does it include notifications too?
[15:30] <mpt> It includes handling error cases. None of them with notifications, though.
[15:30] <andyrock> so we don't want notifications at all
[15:31] <mpt> Instead the error is summarized in the normal updates prompt: “3 Livepatch updates failed to apply since the last restart.”
[15:32] <andyrock> ok I'm just wondering if we still need to patch update-noftifier
[15:32] <andyrock> maybe just to trigger update-manager
[15:33] <andyrock> willcooke: are you ok with the no-notification thing?
[15:35] <willcooke> andyrock, mpt - I wasn't able to go to the last meeting, so I can't be sure what was discussed, but...  I think a notification when a LivePatch has been applied was asked for originally.  What's your thoughts on that design wise mpt?  e.g. "A LivePatch update has been applied".  Too noisy?
[15:35] <andyrock> we can just trigger update-manager
[15:36] <andyrock> otherwise you get both, I guess this is the idea
[15:36] <willcooke> Not sure I follow, so update manager pops up whenever a livepatch is applied?
[15:36] <willcooke> Cos that sounds bad :)
[15:37] <andyrock> mpt? ^
[15:41] <willcooke> I think the process of having a livepatch applied should be frictionless. It should just happen, and you get a notification "hey, this cool thing happened" and then it goes away and the user doesn't have to do anything at all.  But that's a different use case to when you're going to reboot or install updates "manually" (via apt upgrade, or via software updater)
[15:42] <andyrock> I've the infrastructure already for this kind of notifications
[15:42] <andyrock> also for enable/disable events
[15:42] <andyrock> your choice
[15:43] <willcooke> I'd like to keep it there, but will defer to mpt to a final call.
[15:43] <andyrock> also if we want notifications I would like to have the text design
[15:43] <andyrock> mpt: ^^^
[15:45] <mpt> What?
[15:45] <mpt> No, of course update-manager shouldn’t pop up when a livepatch is applied
[15:45] <andyrock> ok so what about notifications?
[15:51] <mpt> andyrock, there’s currently nothing in the design that involves notifications.
[15:51] <andyrock> mpt: so the final answer is that we don't want notifications right?
[15:52] <willcooke> andyrock, mpt - we do want notifications please.  per: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Er-G3IascWDl6rPHp2ky7pPvvBo5qt00dwzquJuuEio/edit#heading=h.gwwk2pyzyvix
[15:53] <mpt> Literally everyone in the last Livepatch call approved the latest design, and I was happy that it was finally finished after a month
[15:54] <willcooke> Sorry, but I couldnt be there
[15:55] <mpt> I have never seen this document before, and it does not match at all with the notification design guidelines I wrote <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines>
[15:58] <mpt> The one case where I thought *maybe* a notification would be appropriate would be on a successful update, as kind of a reward/congratulation for using it
[15:58] <mpt> But obscuring part of your screen is a risky kind of reward :-)
[15:59] <willcooke> heh.  So yeah, I'm good with only showing it on successful update, and not worrying about the other situations.
[16:01] <andyrock> can we agree on the title/text/icon(?) so I can start proposing the code?
[16:14] <oSoMoN> ricotz, for LO 5.4 we’ll need to promote to main lp-solve, suitesparse, liborcus and libixion
[16:14] <oSoMoN> I'll file MIRs
[16:17] <oSoMoN> also it appears liborcus-0.12-0 should depend on libixion-0.12-0, but it doesn't for some reason
[16:17] <oSoMoN> this will need fixing
[16:32] <ricotz> oSoMoN, all those don't require explicit MIRs since they were in main already
[16:34] <ricotz> only "fonts-dejavu" needs a MIR
[16:34] <oSoMoN> right
[16:36] <ricotz> oSoMoN, why "liborcus-0.12-0 should depend on libixion-0.12-0" ?
[16:37] <ricotz> don't confuse it with liborcus-spreadsheet-model-0.12
[16:37] <oSoMoN> ah indeed, my bad
[16:48] <oSoMoN> ricotz, fonts-dejavu is already in main
[16:49]  * oSoMoN EOD
[16:49] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end everyone
[17:20] <andyrock> have a nice weekend desktoppers
[17:20] <Trevinho> :)
[18:20] <willcooke> night all


[08:59] <Tumulte> hello !
[08:59] <Tumulte> got a very odd problem : when I use ffado-mixer with FW 410, the mouse becomes "stuck"
[09:00] <Tumulte> I got a "hands' close" pointer and I can't click anything
[09:00] <Tumulte> the system is fully functionnal
[09:00] <Tumulte> but I can't click
[09:24] <zequence> Tumulte: Sounds strange. You could try dropping into a TTY and kill it
[09:24] <zequence> Ctrl + Alt + F1
[09:24] <zequence> Login with your username and password
[09:24] <zequence> Then, try: killall ffado
[09:25] <zequence> Once you get to to "ffado", don't hit ENTER. Hit TAB a couple of times to see if it autocompletes to something
[09:25] <zequence> Once you find something to kill, hit ENTER
[09:25] <zequence> To get back to the graphical login, do Ctrl + Alt + F7
[09:26] <zequence> It's either F7 or F8
[09:26] <zequence> If that didn't work, you can reboot the system. One command is: sudo shutdown -r now
[09:47] <Tumulte> I already tried killing everything
[10:16] <Tumulte> should probably dig the messages
[10:28] <zequence> Since it's ffado-mixer, it could be qt
[10:28] <Tumulte> is there a CLI for this mixer ?
[10:39] <zequence> Not that I'm aware of
[10:40] <zequence> I've never had those issues myself. Which release are you on?
[10:40] <zequence> Did you add any PPAs?
[10:40] <Tumulte> na
[10:40] <Tumulte> it's pretty much a fresh US
[10:40] <Tumulte> I messed around with pulse
[10:40] <Tumulte> d'ont know where I burried the corpse though
[10:42] <Tumulte> zequence: so the answer is whatever version there's in US repo
[10:42] <zequence> Tumulte: The latest? 15.10?
[10:42] <Tumulte> yup
[10:43] <zequence> Ok. If you have time, it could be helpful if you did a bug report. You need a launchpad account.
[10:43] <zequence> From the terminal: ubuntu-bug <packagename>
[10:43] <zequence> Let's see..
[10:43] <zequence> Ah, the package name is ffado-mixer-qt4
[10:44] <zequence> I will eventually try it myself. Think I already have though, but I'll double check.
[17:23] <Ivan_the> hi
[22:43] <enzo> feether
[22:44] <Guest49790> hello i hvae lost the volume
[22:44] <Guest49790> have
[22:44] <Guest49790> lost
[22:44] <Guest49790> anyone
[22:44] <Guest49790> chanserv
[22:45] <Guest49790> are you there
[22:45] <Guest49790> hello
[23:13] <Guest49790> hello


[04:44] <xhaker_> man-di, i think i fixed the eclipse FTBFS
[04:44] <xhaker_> doko_, i think i fixed the eclipse FTBFS
[05:23] <xhaker_> bummer
[05:24] <xhaker_> failed after 37 min
[05:31] <xhaker_> man-di, doko_: this is where it fails http://pastebin.com/m2a5114ca