[00:01] <Riddell> has anyone noticed yet?
[00:02] <maco> Riddell: noticed what?
[00:05] <maco> hrmph
[00:05] <maco> have any of you figured out how to make firefox use the correct dpi?
[00:05] <maco> i set my dpi with xrandr and all of kde is behaving marvelously
[00:06] <maco> but seems like the firefox/kde integration could use some magic to make it behave too
[00:06] <maco> i just cant figure out *what* magic *pout*
[00:13] <Riddell> maco: well you need to notice it first, it would spoil the surprise if I gave the game away
[00:14] <maco> Riddell: very nice! you got the password
[00:14] <maco> anyway, i think this is the bug im hitting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk2-engines-qtcurve/+bug/420610
[00:14] <maco> *pout*
[00:18]  * Riddell wonders who will notice next
[00:25] <maco> so i think we can work around that bug i just pointed to through the magic of kubuntu default settings? maybe?
[00:26] <dantti> Riddell: hmmm very nice if it's what i'm thinking
[00:33] <claydoh> Riddell: nice :)
[00:54] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm reasonably certain I've noticed.
[00:56] <ScottK> maco: Assuming the comments in 414711 are correct, we should be able to.
[00:59] <maco> the graphical workaround worked for me
[00:59] <maco> once i got to the comment about changing "general" not "menu" at least ;-)
[02:01] <darkwingduck> I tried /part
[02:01] <darkwingduck> BAH
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> ooo, the new website is live
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> somebody should blog, but I've already blogged 3 times in the past 24 hours
[03:03] <jjesse> ok i'l do it
[03:05] <jjesse> who designed it?
[03:11] <nigelb> WOW. Riddell, its beautiful!
[03:13] <Riddell> jjesse: Ofir Klinger
[03:17] <shtylman> wow... new kubuntu site
[03:17] <shtylman> I never thought this day would come
[03:17] <maco> hahaha
[05:58] <maco> :-/ the beta ppa is all full of brokenness
[05:58] <maco> it wants to remove kdebase-plasma{a} kdepimlibs-data{a} libkfontinst4{a} libkonqsidebarplugin4{a} libkwineffects1{a} libplasma-applet-system-monitor4{a} libplasmaclock4{a}   libprocesscore4{a} libprocessui4{a} libsolidcontrol4{a} libtaskmanager4{a} libweather-ion4{a}
[08:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: the difference between ubuntu-sso and ubuntuone-auth is that ubuntu-sso does not hardcode ubuntuone
[09:02] <apachelogger> maco: use a proper package manager :P
[09:04] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (3 files in 2 dirs) get rid of com.ubuntuone.authentication dbus service
[09:43] <Quintasan> \o
[09:51] <apachelogger> lo Quintasan
[09:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: splitting the ubuntuone KCM into multiple (with sidepane menu) has but oene disadvantage ... I would have to build my own dialog in the statusnotifer instead of just showing a kcm :/
[10:03] <valorie> website looks great!
[10:21] <apachelogger> oh
[10:21] <apachelogger> new site
[10:21] <apachelogger> with stinky ktorrent icon ^^
[10:21]  * apachelogger pokes sheytan to do something about this madness ^^
[10:22] <apachelogger> valorie: was that announced somewhere?
[10:22] <valorie> no, I was just reading the logs, and figured that's what riddell was being cagey about
[10:22] <valorie> :-)
[10:23] <sheytan> apachelogger for me, changing the page now, wasn't good idea ( of course from artwork site, don't know about technical) :) But i can make for you the icon :)
[10:24] <apachelogger> sheytan: I talked to ofirk about it, but apparently he did not change it yet *shrug*
[10:24] <apachelogger> sheytan: also, I think deploying artwork improvements will be easier now that the site in general is through reviews and whatnot :)
[10:25] <sheytan> apachelogger, when was that? :) I was talking to him, he liked my mockups, so i'm working on it. I'm going to change almost everything (artwork) and some layout. But ofir said he wants it to 10.10
[10:25] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[10:25] <apachelogger> all I care about is getting rid of that icon :P
[10:25] <Riddell> the Get Kubuntu icon?
[10:26] <apachelogger> because it is not only crap but also disturbs recognizability since an app icon gets used as action icon
[10:26] <ulysses> see it in links, and the icon was getting out^^
[10:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah
[10:26] <apachelogger> ulysses: website can also be added to the report I think
[10:26] <apachelogger> then we should be good to publis
[10:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: how about some website hyping? ^^
[10:28]  * apachelogger prepares upgrade to maverick so he can continue on u1 finalizing
[10:29] <sheytan> well, i will work on that page until i finish it. When you will to adpot the artwork and layout changes for maveric release, then you just contact me :)
[10:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, I also uploaded a qoauth package with necessary patches to make it work for ubuntu-sso, so once/if the u1 people accept my patches the foundations should be inplace to launch a proper alpha/beta/something
[10:32] <sheytan> apachelogger when you were speaking with ofir ?:)
[10:32] <sheytan> was he here?
[10:32] <apachelogger> that must have been at least a month agao
[10:32] <apachelogger> *ago
[10:33]  * apachelogger complains at least monthly about the icon
[10:33] <apachelogger> for at least half a year now ^^
[10:34] <sheytan> yeah, he should show up here w week ago, but he doesn't
[10:34] <sheytan> i mailed him yesterday
[10:34] <sheytan> he said he's kinda busy right now
[10:38] <sheytan> apachelogger take a look: http://a.imageshack.us/img38/8484/kubuntu1.jpg
[10:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: what needed patching in qoauth?
[10:39] <sheytan> no kget, ktorrent icons :D
[10:39] <Adri2000> does anyone know if someone is working on updating the colibri package with version 0.2.0?
[10:40] <ulysses> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/TeamReports/10/July
[10:44] <sheytan> ulysses did Ofirk develop the page too?
[10:45] <ulysses> I don't know
[10:45] <sheytan> as far as i know he did. So thanks to him should be written on the wiki, too :)
[10:45] <ulysses> I'll do
[10:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: who contributed to the new site?
[10:46] <sheytan> yes, we should write everyone who did :)
[10:46] <apachelogger> ack
[10:55] <apachelogger> sheytan: how is workspace coming along?
[10:55]  * apachelogger is wondering what the state my-bzr means
[10:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: ofir mostly
[10:56] <Riddell> Adri2000: I wasn't aware of a release
[10:56] <apachelogger> ulysses: in that case I would say ofir listed first with hearts and stars and stuff
[10:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: anyone else though?
[10:56] <sheytan> apachelogger i don't know what you mean. Sorry my english ins't perfect ;)
[10:56] <apachelogger> Quintasan: kdegraphics?
[10:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: maybe ryan
[10:56] <apachelogger> sheytan: I agree with you :)
[10:57] <sheytan> apachelogger that? :D
[10:57] <apachelogger> we should write everyone who did
[10:57] <Adri2000> Riddell: hmm right, looking at git log it seems ready by indeed it may have not been officially released yet
[10:58] <sheytan> apachelogger, oh, yes :)
[10:58]  * apachelogger postpones his upgrade to maverick until he has a proper desk to work on and does update kdegames meanwhile
[10:58] <ulysses> apachelogger: ofirk was added to the first, only the stars and hearts missing:P
[10:58] <apachelogger> no stars and hearts!!!!
[10:58] <apachelogger> omg
[10:59] <Riddell> Adri2000: it's not on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/colibri
[10:59] <Riddell> or rather http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Colibri?content=117147
[11:04] <Adri2000> ok
[11:14] <Quintasan> oh right
[11:14] <Quintasan> I didn't upload?
[11:14] <Riddell> upload what?
[11:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: apachelogger says I did not upload kdegraphics rc3
[11:15] <Quintasan> so I'm doing it now
[11:15] <Riddell> to the PPA?
[11:15] <Quintasan> wait, they are uploaded
[11:15] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, eitherway the wiki page does not say you did :P
[11:15] <Quintasan> oh man
[11:16] <apachelogger> aha
[11:16] <Quintasan> let me check bzr
[11:16]  * apachelogger would call that system fail
[11:16]  * Riddell spots http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.5.0/
[11:16] <apachelogger> what use is the wiki page if one cannot trust the states there
[11:16] <Quintasan> done!
[11:16] <Quintasan> oh god
[11:17]  * apachelogger poposes that we do not backport rc3 to lucid
[11:17] <apachelogger> and jump at 4.5.0 + spend some additional time on QAing that
[11:18] <Riddell> yes
[11:22] <Quintasan> We already have tarballs for 4.5 or they just tagged it?
[11:24] <Riddell> just tagged
[11:29] <Riddell> in the mean time we have http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2010-July/003973.html "New (optional but preferred) dep introduced in 4.5 - Opentts"
[11:30] <Riddell> and http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2010-July/003988.html "Unannounced optional runtime dependency for SC 4.5: Cagibi 0.1 in kdesupport"
[11:33]  * Riddell grabs cagibi
[11:35] <debfx> the new website doesn't have a news feed anymore :(
[11:37] <Riddell> fooey
[11:37] <Riddell> can't be hard to set if up if you know the drupal fu
[11:38] <freinhard> what am i missing in case of "Could NOT find shared-mime-info"? could build a package with kde-workspace-dev 4.4.2 as dependency but doesn't work for 4.4.92
[11:40] <Riddell> apt-get install shared-mime-info  :)
[11:41] <freinhard> read: why was it dropped as a dependency of kdelibs5-dev kde-workspace-dev ?
[11:41] <Riddell> most packages won't need it
[12:05] <CIA-98> [kdegames] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[12:15] <Riddell> cagibi revu needed http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8443
[12:47] <Riddell> debfx: thanks for the comments, did you install cagibi?
[12:51] <debfx> Riddell: no, should I?
[12:51] <Riddell> debfx: when I have it installed I find plasma-desktop freezes after a few minutes
[12:51] <Riddell> this makes no sense to me since plasma-desktop shouldn't have anything to do with cagibi
[12:52] <Riddell> so I'd like to know if I'm making it up :)
[12:58] <debfx> Riddell: no issues so far
[13:00] <Riddell> debfx: new upload http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8444
[13:09] <Quintasan> lol
[13:10] <Quintasan> Riddell: is it fine if I add my patch to notifications in Kopete to our packaging?
[13:10] <apachelogger> Quintasan: is it upstreamed yet?
[13:11] <Quintasan> apachelogger: beats, me, I attached it to relevant bug and asked about it in #kopete but noone responded
[13:13] <apachelogger> jon did not wanna sponsor?
[13:13] <Quintasan> It's not like he didn
[13:13] <Quintasan> He said he didn't touch Kopete at all and it would be safer to get it approved by Kopete devs
[13:14] <apachelogger> pffff
[13:14] <Riddell> Quintasan: it rather depends on what the patch does :)
[13:14] <apachelogger> does he doubt my bug fixing capabilities? :P
[13:14] <Quintasan> Riddell: well, it just inverts the logic on one of the if's which made the whole thing not working
[13:15] <Quintasan> kde bug 184113
[13:15] <apachelogger> hm
[13:15] <apachelogger> I havent seen no kopete dev in the channel for quite some time
[13:15] <apachelogger> I think its best if we just peer review
[13:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: if you have time to review the patch... :)
[13:17] <Riddell> yum, boolean logic
[13:18] <Riddell> Quintasan: can you explain the code change in English?
[13:18] <debfx> Riddell: after starting a kcm as root, a second root-user cagibid instance is launched
[13:18] <Riddell> debfx: any kcm?
[13:19] <debfx> not sure, I started the "login screen" kcm
[13:21] <debfx> hm "/usr/bin/kcmshell4 kdm --lang en_US" is still running after closing the dialog
[13:22] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well, the thing is that when you set you status to Busy or Away and the "Enable notifications while away" was unchecked it shouldn't display notifications at all, but it did show one notification (just one popping out and no further notifications), this boolean logic checks if the event list is empty and if it is then show notifications, but we do not want it to show notifications while we are Busy or Away, right?
[13:23] <apachelogger> supremacy of logic :P
[13:23] <apachelogger> the first if inside the large if block for inbound messages decided whether a notification should be shown or not
[13:24] <apachelogger> after that the bool MUST NOT be changed to true
[13:24] <Quintasan> I was about to mention that.
[13:24] <apachelogger> since that would violate the logic of deciding whether a notification is to be shown or not
[13:25] <apachelogger> kdeedu done
[13:25]  * apachelogger picks up kdewebdev
[13:25] <apachelogger> bulldog98: how is kdesdk?
[13:26] <apachelogger> ulysses: ping
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> you know
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> we can remove X-KDE-RootOnly=true from kdm's kcm's .desktop file now
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> it is kauth'd
[13:29] <apachelogger> oh
[13:29] <apachelogger> perfect
[13:29] <apachelogger> I think we then can also drop the rootonly patch for systemsettings
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> userconfig still uses it
[13:29] <apachelogger> oh
[13:29] <apachelogger> too bad
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> yeah :/
[13:29] <apachelogger> so who ports userconfig?
[13:30] <apachelogger> OTOH we could redo it in c++ :P
[13:30] <apachelogger> just joking
[13:30] <JontheEchidna> might not be a bad GSoC proposal for next year
[13:30] <Riddell> we still ought to get that upstream
[13:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Better than doing it in Python
[13:30]  * Riddell eyes up yuriy
[13:30] <apachelogger> Quintasan: fullack
[13:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: doing a kde account manager?
[13:31] <JontheEchidna> redoing it in C++, yeah
[13:31]  * apachelogger imagines this to be a quite fun thing to work on TBH ... especially if one would opt for cross-operating system functionallity
[13:32] <Quintasan> oh god
[13:32] <apachelogger> then again one has to wonder how much sense that would make ^^
[13:32] <apachelogger> though ...
[13:32] <Quintasan> Account managing on Windows using KDE front-end?
[13:32] <apachelogger> getting it to work properly on all *nixes is already quite the challange I imagine
[13:32] <apachelogger> holy muon!
[13:32] <apachelogger> I hear thunder but there is no rain!
[13:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: hai
[13:33]  * apachelogger likes the packages that actually do not change a lot between rcs
[13:33] <Quintasan> Just looking at WinAPI is headachegenerative
[13:33] <Quintasan> It's not worse than Python, I hope
[13:33] <ulysses> apachelogger: pong
[13:34] <apachelogger> ulysses: time to push the report out?
[13:34] <apachelogger> (namely announce to kubuntu-users and microblag and blogs)
[13:35] <CIA-98> [kdewebdev] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[13:35] <ulysses> apachelogger: yes, publish everywhere, geronimo!
[13:38] <apachelogger> ulysses: thanks for getting this started *hug*
[13:38] <ulysses> you're welcome
[13:45]  * Quintasan goes out for shopping with his mother
[13:45]  * Quintasan needs to update his ToDo list with computer-related things
[14:03] <apachelogger> who can edit the feature tour?
[14:03] <apachelogger> Riddell?
[14:07]  * ryanakca grins at the shiny new website :D
[14:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: anyone with the password I guess?
[14:09] <Riddell> I couldn't work out how to edit the front page
 apachelogger: also, unless OpenOffice reads iWork and WordPerfect Office formats, it's probably not right to say "compatible with all Office suites"
[14:09] <apachelogger> Riddell, ryanakca ^
[14:10] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I don't have the password to the new site I don't think
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: this will break compilation of kdebase-runtime: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52687420/kde4libs_4:4.4.92-0ubuntu4_4:4.4.92-0ubuntu5.diff.gz
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> well, for .95 and on at any rate
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> as Quintasan can attest, I believe ;)
[14:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that's an puload of 4.4.92 which doesn't have the KIdleTime
[14:12] <Riddell> file
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> aaah
[14:13] <Riddell> I didn't remove KIdleTime from our bzr packaging which is for 4.4.95
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> disregard me :)
[14:17] <Riddell> debfx: no freezing yet?
[14:17] <maco> apachelogger: that was aptitude....  if i do safe-upgrade it lets stuff go through...about 20pkgs, but holds back 120 or so
[14:18] <Riddell> ryanakca: you do now
[14:18] <Riddell> I wonder if this'll work
[14:18] <Riddell> !ninjas
[14:18] <Riddell> ~ninjas
[14:19] <ScottK> maco: Right.  As apachelogger said, use a proper package manager.
[14:19] <maco> eh?
[14:19] <debfx> Riddell: nope
[14:19] <maco> whats improper about aptitude?
[14:19] <shadeslayer> omg were dead
[14:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I just finished uploading the first set of KDE 4.5.0 tarballs to
[14:20] <shadeslayer> i just saw that :P
[14:20] <shadeslayer> were not even done with RC
[14:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: uploading to where?
[14:20] <shadeslayer> stable/4.5.0/src. Please let me know of any blocking issues (JRiddels PyQt 4.7
[14:20] <shadeslayer> fix is not yet included I believe).
[14:20] <Riddell> ah, you're quoting dirk
[14:20] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:21] <shadeslayer> ah you thought i... heheh :p
[14:21] <ScottK> maco: Brain dead dependency resolver that considers removing half your system a good idea sometimes.
[14:21] <shadeslayer> i haz no permissions on *.kde.org
[14:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: skip RC?
[14:22] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes.
[14:22] <maco> ScottK: i thought it was useful that it gives you alternative ways to resolve broken dependencies...
[14:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes
[14:22] <shadeslayer> that was quick tho....
[14:22] <maco> and only full-upgrade will remove things, just like dist-upgrade. safe-upgrade acts like upgrade and doesnt
[14:22] <shadeslayer> RC->Final release
[14:22] <ScottK> maco: I find I'm generally better off with apt and sorting it out myself.
[14:23] <shadeslayer> thankfully maverick is all sorted out
[14:23] <maco> ScottK: well apt-get upgrade agrees with aptitude about holding back 140 packages
[14:23] <ScottK> What does dist-upgrade think?
[14:23] <shadeslayer> heheh ^
[14:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: are you around?
[14:24] <shadeslayer> if not... then ill do kdelibs
[14:25] <shadeslayer> seems not ....
[14:25] <CIA-98> [muon] jmthomas * 1156659 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/ (ChangelogTab.cpp ChangelogTab.h) Make a fancy busy widget for when we are fetching the changelog using KPixmapSequenceOverlayPainter
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> dantti: thanks. I didn't know about that class :)
[14:26] <maco> ScottK: dist-upgrade thinks these need to go away:
[14:26] <maco>   kdebase-plasma kdepimlibs-data libkfontinst4 libkonqsidebarplugin4 libkwineffects1 libplasma-applet-system-monitor4 libplasmaclock4 libprocesscore4 libprocessui4 libqt4-assistant libsolidcontrol4 libtaskmanager4 libweather-ion4
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> maco: it's correct in that assertion. All of those are now either 4a or 1a
[14:26] <shadeslayer> maco: upgrading from what to what?
[14:26] <maco> shadeslayer: from normal lucid to the beta ppa
[14:27] <shadeslayer> right then... i think thats normal
[14:27] <maco> JontheEchidna: oooh ok. thank you :) umm what about kdebase-plasma? thats not a versioned library...
[14:28] <CIA-98> [oxygen-icons] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog New upstream release
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> maco: that's an old transitional package that used to house folderview. (It's now named plasma-widget-folderview)
[14:28] <maco> JontheEchidna: ok then. *chalks it up to scary naming*
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> that one was debian's idea :P
[14:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also seems my widget is stuck in new.. can you give it a boost :D
[14:28] <maco> name a package "half-your-system" and then remove it one release later
[14:29] <apachelogger> bleh
[14:29] <maco> thatd freak people out
[14:29] <shadeslayer> maco: we dont want our users to get heart attacks :p
[14:31] <apachelogger> meh
[14:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: clean out the ppa :P
[14:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sure thing..
[14:32] <shadeslayer> why dont we have a option to select all packages? :P
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> because launchpad would likely time out if you tried
[14:34] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:35] <shadeslayer> im keeping grantlee and gluon
[14:35] <shadeslayer> if thats not a issue
[14:36] <apachelogger> why?
[14:36] <apachelogger> supposedly we should be able to build with maverick? + new stuff?
[14:37] <apachelogger> also ... why is there no soprano 2.5?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: it timed out anyways :P
[14:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: New queue will be processed same time next week I'm afraid
[14:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok no problem :)
[14:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok ill delete all the packages then
[14:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: isn't meta-kde essential to the dependency chain?
[14:38] <apachelogger> like I noticed kde-sc-devel or what it is called is build-dep to all sorts of stuff
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yus, it has to be bumped each release
[14:38] <apachelogger> so
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> it's how debian prevents misbuilds
[14:39] <apachelogger> kdelibs -> kde-meta -> other stuff?
[14:39] <apachelogger> or does kde-sc-devel even start before kdelibs?
[14:39]  * apachelogger thinks it should be added to the dep graph really
[14:39] <shadeslayer> ^  i would have thought thats how its done
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> kdelibs builds without kde-sc-devel-latest, but all the others need k-s-d-l to build
[14:39] <apachelogger> ok
[14:40] <apachelogger> so who will update the depgraph? ^^
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> I can
[14:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please do :)
[14:44] <CIA-98> [oxygen-icons] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog 4.5.0
[14:48] <apachelogger> internal server error
[14:48]  * apachelogger pretty much hates the kubuntu wiki
[14:49] <apachelogger> hm
[14:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that meta is not bzr'd?
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> nope
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> well, that is to say that it doesnt' have bzr
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> not that it is not bzr'd
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> well, not that it is not not bzr'd
[14:50] <apachelogger> not having things in bzr stands in the way of distributed kde packaging
[14:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you are not making sense :P
[14:51] <apachelogger> File meta-kde_63ubuntu4~ppa1.tar.gz already exists in Private PPA for Kubuntu Ninjas, but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors.
[14:51] <apachelogger> aha
[14:51] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[14:51] <apachelogger> right
[14:51] <apachelogger> now that is sort of evil
[14:52]  * apachelogger opts for 4.1 since 4 is coming from rc3
[14:52] <apachelogger>   Uploading meta-kde_63ubuntu4.1~ppa1_source.changes: done.
[14:52] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[14:52] <apachelogger> there we go
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-kde-dep-graph
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> :s
[14:53] <apachelogger> did you break it? :O
[14:53] <apachelogger> ah
[14:53] <apachelogger> that is wrong
[14:54] <ulysses> ugly
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> arrow overload
[14:54] <apachelogger> meta should be above kdelibs
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> why above?
[14:54] <apachelogger> because the resulting packages from meta depend on the appropriate version of kdelibs, dont they?
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> kde-sc-dev-latest does not depend on kdelibs
[14:55] <apachelogger> what possible point does this silly package have then?
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> it breaks packages below the current version of kde you are trying to build, to prevent misbuilds
[14:56] <apachelogger> ah
[14:56] <apachelogger> same thing
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> the version being set in debian/rules
[14:57] <apachelogger> in particular it is the inverse of depending on >= current stuff which of course would not have the desired affect
[14:57] <apachelogger> just that it does not depend on it for realz ^^
[14:58] <apachelogger> anyhow, for simplifaction I would just put it above kdelibs
[14:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also, the other junk in there surely declares a dependency on some kdelibs package ;)
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> the other ones technically depend on the whole stack
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> which would mean it would go on the top of the dependency graph
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> but I will just put it above kdelibs for the sake of not having arrow overl0ad
[15:01] <apachelogger> meta technically does not belong anywhere :P
[15:01] <apachelogger> because the graph specifies build-deps
[15:01] <apachelogger> and meta does not have no silly build-deps
[15:01] <apachelogger> well
[15:01] <apachelogger> I think I just got lost myself
[15:02] <apachelogger> so
[15:02] <apachelogger> on a more interesting note
[15:02] <apachelogger> bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly;
[15:02] <apachelogger>         perhaps it is corrupted?  *Possible* reason follows.
[15:02] <apachelogger> bzip2: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[15:02] <apachelogger>         Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout)
[15:02] <apachelogger> and of course there are no md5sums so I dunno if my download is the craps or if the tar itself is
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> um
[15:02] <apachelogger> I shall go into fury mode and write angry mails to dirk
[15:02] <apachelogger> muhahahahaha
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> I do not know how to position it so that kdelibs is under sc-dev-latest
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> it is ending up going with the rest of the first-level tree items
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-kde-dep-graph0
[15:03] <apachelogger> ah
[15:03] <apachelogger> plasma crash
[15:03] <apachelogger> oh dear
[15:04] <apachelogger> ah right
[15:04] <apachelogger> now I dunno how my download is going
[15:04] <apachelogger> KDE #fail
[15:04]  * apachelogger uses tty
[15:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: meta -> kdelibs;
[15:04] <apachelogger> sort of like that
[15:05] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/470709/
[15:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> oh, that works
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-kde-dep-graph1
[15:06] <apachelogger> remaining is the question why there is no soprano 2.5
[15:06] <apachelogger> in the name of darth vader himself!!!!
[15:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: works
[15:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ohhhhh
[15:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you could make the arrow from meta to libs be dashed or something ;)
[15:07] <apachelogger> to make it apparent that it does not really build-dep on it ;)
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> how to do that?
[15:08] <apachelogger> man dot
[15:08] <apachelogger> dunno
[15:09] <apachelogger> foo -> bar[someweirdproperty:someweirdvalue];
[15:09] <apachelogger> ah s/:/= i think
[15:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you want to sync QScintilla2 2.4.4?
[15:12] <apachelogger> or package it right away?
[15:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: sync from where?
[15:12] <apachelogger> well, debian, once it ends up there
[15:12] <Riddell> do we know when that's likely to be?
[15:12] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[15:12] <apachelogger> currently we are both at 2.4.3
[15:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: nothing terribly important in the changelog..
[15:14] <Riddell> I'll do it quickly
[15:14] <apachelogger> okidoki
[15:16] <maco> 3G does work with knm if you know the right info.  copying the info that the wizard generated in nm-applet works
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> ugh, the ppa builders are having unreasonable wait times again :/
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> can't they just give all the builds on this PPA a score of 0 or something? https://launchpad.net/~pythoneers/+archive/py27stack5
[15:41] <shadeslayer> sorry guys .. power outage
[15:42] <shadeslayer> you wont believe this.. one secc
[15:42] <shadeslayer> ha http://imgur.com/POkMP
[15:42] <shadeslayer> i dont even have 250 TB of HD space :P
[15:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: from the url I feel scaryness ^^
[15:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ppa cleansed out
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> they are rebuilding the entire python stack, eating up all the i386 builders
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> and causing a huge backup
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> two weeks ago they made a 2 day backup on builds :/
[15:45] <shadeslayer> :/
[15:45] <apachelogger> love
[15:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I hope you did not kill my new meta-kde upload
[15:45] <shadeslayer> uh oh
[15:46] <shadeslayer> you should have told me not to delete that :p
[15:46] <shadeslayer> sorry :(
[15:46] <apachelogger> my oh my
[15:47] <apachelogger> now I have to bump to 4.2
[15:47] <apachelogger> -.-
[15:47] <apachelogger> ah well
[15:47] <apachelogger> oxygen is still uploading
[15:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you didnt add ~ppa1 ? 0_o
[15:48] <apachelogger> oh, true
[15:52] <Quintasan> god dman
[15:53] <Quintasan> damn*
[15:53]  * Quintasan never belived in doing "some" shoppin with his mother
[15:53] <Quintasan> But that was overkill
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> this is why we can't have nice things: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopp24405
[15:57] <Riddell> jings
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> both intrepid and hardy are eol, yes?
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> (for us, anyway)
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> if so, couldn't we remove the ancient kubuntu-members-kde4 ppa/team?
[16:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes
[16:11] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Whine at barry on #ubuntu-devel about it.
[16:11] <ScottK> (PPA wait times)
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> I've whined at soyuz via answers.launchpad.net to make scoring for ppa's with unreasonable pending builds... reasonable
[16:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: where did you add the KTime Idle stuff?
[16:20] <Quintasan> to where should it be
[16:20] <shadeslayer> ( that was not pushed to bzr )
[16:20] <Quintasan> lies!
[16:20] <shadeslayer> changelog doesnt say anything ;)
[16:21] <shadeslayer> its debian/kdelibs5-dev.install:usr/include/KDE/KIdleTime
[16:21] <shadeslayer> ;)
[16:21] <Quintasan> it is there
[16:21] <shadeslayer> yes, but not in changelog
[16:21] <Quintasan> crap
[16:22] <shadeslayer> something is wrong... hmmm
[16:23] <shadeslayer> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: quilt cmake (>= 2.6.3) libphonon-dev (>= 4:4.7.0really4.4.1-0ubuntu3) libqt4-dev (>= 4:4.7.0~beta2) libqt4-opengl-dev (>= 4:4.7.0~beta2) libqtwebkit-dev libkeyutils-dev flex bison libsoprano-dev (>= 2.4.63) libstreamanalyzer-dev (>= 0.6.3) libxtst-dev libgif-dev libenchant-dev xsltproc automoc (>= 1.0~version-0.9.88) liblzma-dev libattica-dev (>= 0.1.4) shared-desktop-ontologies (>= 0
[16:23] <shadeslayer> .5) libdbusmenu-qt-dev (>= 0.3.0) libpolkit-qt-1-dev libxss-dev libqca2-dev docbook-xml (>= 4.0) docbook-xsl after i ran apt-get build-dep kdelibs
[16:23] <shadeslayer> will have to install by hand :S
[16:24] <Quintasan> oh
[16:24] <Quintasan> I wanted to install kdelibs5-dev on cowbuilder and save changes
[16:24] <Quintasan> thanks for remining me shadeslayer
[16:25] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:26] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: wait, what, they are rebuidling whole python stack? -_-
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: exactly.
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> Private PPAs get a build score of over 9000, so KDE 4.5 will be ok
[16:27] <Quintasan> great
[16:27] <Quintasan> but still, rebuilding whole python crap
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> Start in 4 seconds (12505)
[16:28] <Quintasan> makes me feel sick
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> ^literally over 9000
[16:28] <Quintasan> IT'S POWER LEVEL IS OVER 12000
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> THAT CAN'T POSSIBILY BE CORRECT
[16:29] <ScottK> Quintasan: To help evaluate if we should include Python 2.7 as a supported Python version in Maverick.
[16:29] <ScottK> It's not just because barry's a masochist.
[16:30] <Quintasan> I know that, but I get that idea that it won't be supported
[16:30] <ScottK> Actually leaning towards.  Decision next week probably.
[16:51] <Riddell> last picture of agateau http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/4841174254/
[16:51] <maco> Riddell: uhh i know which one you are. which one is he?
[16:52] <Riddell> next to me
[16:52] <maco> ohok
[16:52] <Riddell> he was looking so confident too http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/4841174536/
[16:52] <maco> hard to tell with helmet
[16:52] <Riddell> seconds before he disappeared http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/4841174690/
[16:53] <jussi> hei all
[17:05] <shadeslayer> jussi: \o
[17:05] <jussi> hiya
[17:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nice pics... prague?
[17:09] <Riddell> yes
[17:10] <shadeslayer> hmm...
[17:10] <shadeslayer> ikonia: you were flamed on a blog :P
[17:10] <shadeslayer> http://www.declaredvoid.com/?id=78 <<
[17:20] <nigelb> shadeslayer: LOL
[17:20] <nigelb> he complains about the crumbs.  sigh.  its an upstream design change :/
[17:21] <shadeslayer> yep.. not our fault
[17:21] <shadeslayer> tho i think the boot screen is much better now
[17:21] <nigelb> I agree
[17:22] <nigelb> and about gimp, its as thought we've blacklisted gimp
[17:22] <nigelb> like "don't install gimp, its evil" and "oh yeah, i'm installing"
[17:22] <nigelb> that dude needs a serious reality check
[17:22] <nigelb> gah, no comments section
[17:23] <maco> nigelb: i know!
[17:23] <maco> i was going to make a comment saying to bitch to upstream gnome because its not an ubuntu decision and tahts what you get for using software made by people who hate choice...but...
[17:24] <shadeslayer> you could mail him... :P
[17:24] <ScottK> It's all rather off topic for KUBUNTU development.
[17:24]  * shadeslayer goes back to refresh kubuntu_70_qreal.diff
[17:24] <ScottK> Excellent.
[17:24]  * nigelb gets back to work
[17:33] <shadeslayer> seems it can be dropped :)
[17:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes that can go
[17:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we should really enforce dep3
[17:34] <shadeslayer> kdelibs building \o/
[17:42] <jussi> ahh yeah, I mentioned this to a friend the other day, was meaning to file a wishlist bug. So I had an idea. Id love to have an upgrade option where it upgrades your machine to a clean install, saving only selected folders. that way you could eliminate the need to download and burn/usb'ise the iso and install it, if you could upgrade to a clean install.
[17:43] <shadeslayer> jussi++
[17:43] <shadeslayer> also ill be nuking the system after packaging KDE 4.5 :p
[17:44] <jussi> shadeslayer: :) glad someone likes my idea
[17:44] <shadeslayer> jussi: its a good idea :D
[17:44] <shadeslayer> for eg. id like to save a few particular folders....
[17:44] <shadeslayer> and have a clean install
[17:45] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, my usecase is music/video folders. ive a backup, but its a lt to copy back and forth...
[17:46] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:46] <jussi> so if I can just leave them there an get a clean install, that would be nice
[17:46] <jussi> of course I could set it up with a different partition, but thats not the point
[17:47]  * Riddell away, back sunday evening, have fun
[17:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: bye
[18:05] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: the kdelibs LP import should get working soon, just heard from jelmer @ #launchpad
[18:16] <Quintasan> YEAH
[18:16] <Quintasan> soon as in few weeks or few hours?
[18:16] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^
[18:17] <Quintasan> who the hell removed my yellow cells? :<
[18:18] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I have a request, do not assign yourself to more than one package on wiki, unless you are doing two at the same time which is error prone :P
[18:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: actually the thing is that i have made changes to the 2 other packages
[18:20] <shadeslayer> which i have not pushed to bzr
[18:20] <shadeslayer> ill push all of them at once
[18:21] <Quintasan> great
[18:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: what about the import?
[18:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: and about the previous question, well.. jelmer says another few days
[18:22] <shadeslayer> hes on #launchpad right now, so you can get all the details from him
[18:23] <shadeslayer> and kdelibs is almost done....
[18:23] <shadeslayer> wow.. took only 30 mins to compile :D
[18:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i think it takes 2 hours on LP right?
[18:24] <shadeslayer> also.. dpkg-gensymbols: warning: some new symbols appeared in the symbols file: see diff output below <<
[18:24] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: can you syncing by script syncpackage?
[18:25] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: I do not think I have that script.
[18:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: whut? :P
[18:25] <shadeslayer> its in ubuntu-dev-tools btw
[18:26] <Quintasan> I have that installed :/
[18:26] <shadeslayer> so you must have that i think
[18:26] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: the package is in universe?
[18:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what do i do with the new symbols?
[18:28] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: copy paste the diff output to a patch and obviously patch the file
[18:28] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:28] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:29] <shadeslayer> whee.. system hand
[18:29] <shadeslayer> *hang
[18:29] <Quintasan> oh
[18:29] <Quintasan> it is in bzr branch
[18:31] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: yes in universe
[18:31] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: it's easy
[18:31] <Quintasan> argh this is pain of running lucid
[18:32] <Quintasan> outdated tools :/
[18:32] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: btw you can take workspace if you want, i didnt get around to working on that
[18:32] <Quintasan> !file debian.changelog
[18:32] <Quintasan> workspace is too big
[18:32] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[18:32] <shadeslayer> also we need pimlibs first i think
[18:33] <Quintasan> I have it ready
[18:33] <Quintasan> waiting for kdelibs
[18:33] <shadeslayer> awesome :D
[18:33] <shadeslayer> yeah should be done in 20 mins
[18:33] <shadeslayer> i just have to refresh symbols file
[18:33] <Quintasan> !search debian.changelog
[18:34] <Quintasan> oh great
[18:34] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: wait a second, let me get the newer python-debian libs
[18:35] <ari-tczew> yhy
[18:35] <shadeslayer> dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot read ../kde4libs_4.5.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc: No such file or directory 0_o
[18:35] <Quintasan> okay
[18:35] <shadeslayer> ah i see
[18:36] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: so, what do you want me to sync?
[18:36] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: sponsorship and use syncpackage script :)
[18:36] <Quintasan> I got it working
[18:36] <Quintasan> (Damn python)
[18:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan:  _ZN11KTextEditor8Document11textChangedEPS0_RKNS_5RangeERK7QStringS4_@Base 4:4.5.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1 << should i remove the -0ubuntu1~ppa1?
[18:42] <freinhard> hi!
[18:43] <Quintasan> hmmmm, for ppa upload not
[18:43] <shadeslayer> for bzr?
[18:43] <Quintasan> you should do another debuild -S for bzr or edit it by hand with regexp
[18:43] <Quintasan> though I'm not sure about that
[18:43] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^
[18:44] <shadeslayer> im standing by :P
[18:45] <Quintasan> Why don't just just copypaste the output to a diff file and patch it?
[18:47] <shadeslayer> using quilt?
[18:47] <shadeslayer> i dont know.. isnt that .. wrong? :P
[18:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude.. advise :P
[18:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: im following your lead and putting ~ppa1 stuff in
[18:57] <Quintasan> gah no
[18:57] <shadeslayer> hmm?
[18:57] <Quintasan> You got that diff formatted output?
[18:57] <shadeslayer> yes
[18:57] <Quintasan> put it into that damn file
[18:57] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/xnvah6VS
[18:57] <Quintasan> copy it to debian/
[18:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Is cagibi needed in Main?
[18:57] <Quintasan> patch -p0 < patchname.diff
[18:57] <Quintasan> rm patchname
[18:57] <shadeslayer> ah ScottK is here...
[18:57] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you advise?
[18:57] <Quintasan> patchname.diff and rebuild
[18:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i did that
[18:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: What's the question?
[18:58] <Quintasan> So what's the problem now? :P
[18:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/xnvah6VS<< updated symbols, do we need the -0ubuntu1~ppa1 part?
[18:59] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: the -0ubuntu1 part troubles me :P
[18:59] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No.
[19:00] <shadeslayer> alrighty then
[19:00] <Quintasan> ScottK: that -0ubuntu.... is not needed at all?
[19:01] <ScottK> Quintasan: Not in symbols file when the symbol is introduced with the new upstream version.
[19:01] <Quintasan> Oh, I see
[19:02] <shadeslayer> rebuilding
[19:03] <shadeslayer> rejoice! <bigjools> I rescored the python rebuild earlier, it's behind everything else now
[19:05] <Quintasan> \o/
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> there still are 400 packages in queue because of it, but yay
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> (400 non-python ones that were held up because of python)
[19:09] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:10] <freinhard> not enough build daemons?
[19:10] <shadeslayer> freinhard: too many python packages
[19:10] <yofel> well that too
[19:11] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: how do they upload 177 packages in one go :P
[19:11] <freinhard> shadeslayer: as usual: before solving the real problem, try a bigger hammer!
[19:11] <yofel> only 3 i386 ppa builders... https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/ 2 day queue
[19:12] <shadeslayer> what happened to the others ? 0_o
[19:13] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: how's going Muon release?
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: source is out there, but due to PPA constipation there are no binary packages :(
[19:15] <ulysses> :(
[19:17] <ScottK> Does anyone know if cagibi is needed for 4.5.0?
[19:20]  * Quintasan is trying sbuilder
[19:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Python happened to them
[19:21] <Quintasan> :P
[19:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK: kdelibs seems to be building fine without it
[19:21] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: haha :P
[19:21] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Is that the package that uses it?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> nope.. i just checked the cmake output and i dont think it uses it
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: It's an optional runtime dependency that we would like to have
[19:30] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: This sbuild seems interesting
[19:30] <Quintasan> LVM support <3
[19:30] <neversfelde> hi
[19:30] <Quintasan> \o/
[19:30] <Quintasan> neversfelde: \o
[19:31] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: ;)
[19:32] <Quintasan> god no, in FLORIDA?
[19:32] <maco> Quintasan: whats wrong with florida?
[19:32]  * Quintasan will be 18 then so he can go
[19:32] <Quintasan> maco: UDS N
[19:32] <maco> i know...
[19:32] <maco> but why is taht "god no"?
[19:33] <Quintasan> I forgot I can apply for sponsorship
[19:33] <Quintasan> maco: So Florida is pretty awesome
[19:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its announced?
[19:34] <shadeslayer> where? when?
[19:34] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: So Universe is fine then?
[19:34] <shadeslayer> i want to apply too :P
[19:34] <Quintasan> some people are denting it on identi.ca
[19:34] <maco> robbie announced it on twitter and identi.ca
[19:35] <maco> orlando, fl
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I think we want it on the CD
[19:35]  * shadeslayer forgets to fire up choqok everytime :p
[19:35] <maco> and the date's been on the wiki for a month or two now... last week of october
[19:35] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: That can wait for MIR, etc. It won't block building in the mean time.
[19:35]  * shadeslayer rushes to see
[19:37] <Quintasan> Ara, still no kdelibs in ppa?
[19:37] <neversfelde> iss someone alread packaging kdepimlibs?
[19:37] <shadeslayer> maco: as in exact last week?
[19:37] <neversfelde> +y
[19:37] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: wait some :P
[19:37] <maco> shadeslayer: yes, the last set of M-F in october
[19:38] <maco> shadeslayer: thats the 25-29
[19:38] <shadeslayer> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[19:38] <shadeslayer> i have exams :/
[19:38] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I accepted it into Universe.  If someone wants it on the CD, they need to get hot on a MIR.
[19:38]  * shadeslayer starts crying
[19:38] <maco> shadeslayer: yeah its exam time here too
[19:38] <Quintasan> neversfelde: I;m doing kdepimlibs
[19:38] <maco> im hoping to convince my professors to schedule exams for the first 3 weeks of october, not the last one
[19:38] <shadeslayer> maco: and i cant come in the next cycle :S
[19:39] <neversfelde> Quintasan: Have you noticed the patch announced on the packager list a few minutes ago?
[19:39] <shadeslayer> also im yet to find the wiki page
[19:39] <maco> shadeslayer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NReleaseSchedule
[19:40] <Quintasan> neversfelde: nope, I'm not sure I'm even receiving mails from them though I've subscribed
[19:40] <shadeslayer> maco: thanks
[19:40] <ScottK> Riddell: Very nice that the canoes were blue.
[19:41] <shadeslayer> err... 28 october is thursday ...
[19:41] <maco> shadeslayer: yes...?
[19:41] <Quintasan> neversfelde: care to link me to ml?
[19:41] <maco> shadeslayer: every date on the schedule is a thursday
[19:41] <shadeslayer> maco: ill apply anyway, ill try to convince my professors too :P
[19:41] <maco> afaict, freezes and such are always on thursdays so if they slip, friday's still there to catch them
[19:42] <shadeslayer> we also have the common wealth games here during october, so i guess something must be worked out
[19:42] <shadeslayer> why couldnt they delay it by a week.. :(
[19:43] <shadeslayer> maco: i was counting on the UDS to be in november
[19:44] <maco> shadeslayer: yeah me too til i saw that schedule a while back
[19:44] <neversfelde> Quintasan: the archive is only available to list members https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-packager
[19:44] <maco> theyre usually november, and once it was december
[19:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i has patch
[19:44] <shadeslayer> one sec
[19:45] <Quintasan> neversfelde: lol, it seems I was rejected when I first subscribed
[19:45] <Quintasan> oh man
[19:45] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/contactsearch-speed-fix.diff
[19:46] <shadeslayer> you might want to poke Riddell then
[19:46] <Quintasan> Should I apply that directly to source or use it as a quilt patch?
[19:46] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://pastebin.com/p7LN0hiM << mail
[19:47] <shadeslayer> well i guess quilt patch
[19:47] <Quintasan> okay
[19:47] <Quintasan> patching now
[19:48] <shadeslayer> maco: maybe we can bribe dholbach :P
[19:48] <shadeslayer> get him to postpone it :D
[19:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-fastuserswitch/0.2.1-1 \o/
[19:50] <maco> shadeslayer: you mean claire?
[19:50] <shadeslayer> maco: who? .. i dont know alot of people out of this channel :D
[19:50] <maco> shadeslayer: claire is the person that Makes Things Happen at canonical
[19:51] <shadeslayer> ahh
[19:51] <shadeslayer> whatever it takes to get the dates postponed by one week :P
[19:51] <Quintasan> why the heck shift-backspace is mapped to restart X?
[19:52] <maco> shadeslayer: http://blogs.sun.com/barton808/resource/UDS_CommandCentral.JPG keybuk, james troup, and claire
[19:52] <maco> Quintasan: whats it supposed to do?
[19:52] <shadeslayer> ah :D
[19:52] <shadeslayer> maco: only 3 people in the pic :P
[19:53] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[19:53] <shadeslayer> i read that wrong :D
[19:53] <maco> only 3 names listed...
[19:53] <shadeslayer> maco: i read ..., james, troup, and claier
[19:53] <shadeslayer> *claire
[19:53] <Quintasan> maco: shit+backspace shouldn't do anything
[19:53] <maco> Quintasan: oh ok
[19:53] <maco> is james troup elmo?
[19:55] <shadeslayer> party time ! :D
[19:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ugh.. more symbols appeared out of now where
[19:57] <shadeslayer> *no
[20:00] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: also .. lol
[20:08] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: what?
[20:08] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: see what you said before ;)
[20:08] <Quintasan> oh god
[20:08] <Quintasan> @_@
[20:09]  * Quintasan looks for aforementioned key
[20:11] <Quintasan> sbuild++
[20:11] <Quintasan> hurr
[20:11] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: where are my kdelibs?
[20:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://pastebin.com/UZthkzAU
[20:12] <shadeslayer> fix0ring them
[20:16] <shadeslayer> uh
[20:16] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/Ytn8dgry < that one
[20:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ignore mans
[20:21] <shadeslayer> yep
[20:21] <ulysses> who stole my browsers?:P
[20:23] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: TBH all files except kspell_aspell.so
[20:23] <Quintasan> are already in install files
[20:23] <shadeslayer> as well as .desktop
[20:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: fix that damn hook already
[20:24] <shadeslayer> false positives
[20:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: final rebuild
[20:25] <shadeslayer> with debuild -nc ;)
[20:25] <Quintasan> Great.
[20:25] <shadeslayer> then i upload
[20:26] <Quintasan> Riddell: ping
[20:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hes gone till sunday
[20:26] <Quintasan> oh my
[20:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what happened?
[20:28] <Quintasan> Nothing important
[20:30] <shadeslayer> wth
[20:30] <Quintasan> sup?
[20:30] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i keep getting more symbols :/
[20:30] <Quintasan> Add them all
[20:30] <shadeslayer> till what end? :P
[20:30] <Quintasan> Beats me
[20:30] <Quintasan> Till it builds?
[20:30] <shadeslayer> it builds
[20:31] <shadeslayer> dpkg-gensymbols: complains tho
[20:36] <apachelogger> Quintasan: whut?
[20:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the B10 List missing hook
[20:37] <shadeslayer> and till what end do i add the new symbols?
[20:37] <apachelogger> what is wrong with the hook?
[20:37] <shadeslayer> after every compile i get new ones
[20:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: gives out false positives
[20:37] <apachelogger> like?
[20:37] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/Ytn8dgry
[20:38] <apachelogger> well
[20:38] <shadeslayer> of that only line 6 and 10
[20:38] <apachelogger> other than this not having anything to do with the hoook...
[20:38] <apachelogger> -./usr/lib/kde4/kspell_aspell.so
[20:38] <apachelogger> -./usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kconf_update.so
[20:38] <apachelogger> -./usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kio_http_cache_cleaner.so
[20:38] <apachelogger> -./usr/lib/libkdeinit4_klauncher.so
[20:38] <apachelogger> -./usr/share/kde4/services/kspell_aspell.desktop
[20:38] <apachelogger> are surely not false positives
[20:38] <apachelogger> and manpages are a known limitation of the particular list-missing implementation
[20:39] <shadeslayer> uh usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kio_http_cache_cleaner.so was already in install file
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> actually, the libkdeinit4 ones do seem to be really false postivies in my experience
[20:39] <shadeslayer> same for the next one as well
[20:39] <shadeslayer> dude.. you made me miss dpkg-gensymbols :P
[20:39] <apachelogger> that is curious then
[20:40] <shadeslayer> hmm.. everything looks okies now
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> but is kspell_aspell.so and .desktop really already there?
[20:41] <shadeslayer> no
[20:41] <shadeslayer> those were not there.. like i said, 6 and 10 were not  there
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> good. I was worried for a bit there
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> curious about the libkdeinit4 ones, though
[20:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: JontheEchidna btw new site is up
[20:42] <shadeslayer> in case you guys didnt notice
[20:43] <apachelogger> someone needs to blog
[20:43] <apachelogger> a lo
[20:43] <apachelogger> t
[20:43] <apachelogger> about sites and reports and 4.5 and awesome and love and stuff
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: I dent'd about it this morning, actually
[20:43] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:44] <shadeslayer> btw dont take up kdeutils yet
[20:44] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245289
[20:44] <shadeslayer> new tarball might be uploaded
[20:47]  * apachelogger pokes shadeslayer to hurry along with kdelibs -.-
[20:47] <shadeslayer> almost done :D
[20:47] <shadeslayer> i was supposed to be asleep 15 mins ago :P
[20:47] <apachelogger> dude!
[20:48] <shadeslayer> brrr... its stuck at dbg packages :/
[20:48] <apachelogger> when we started with ninjas I did sleep like 4 hours on release days :P
[20:48] <shadeslayer> hehe ^
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> I pbuilt for 12 hours straight when I was a youngin'
[20:49] <apachelogger> good ol times ^^
[20:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is stuck?
[20:49] <shadeslayer> \o.
[20:49] <shadeslayer> done
[20:49] <apachelogger> or rather in what state
[20:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dbg package was stuck at dpkg-deb: building package `kdelibs5-dbg' in `../kdelibs5-dbg_4.5.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1_amd64.deb'.
[20:49] <apachelogger> oh
[20:50] <shadeslayer> hold on now..
[20:50] <apachelogger> did you turn off lzma compression?
[20:50] <shadeslayer> i dont think so :P
[20:50] <apachelogger> you can do that via pbuilderrc actually
[20:50] <shadeslayer> whatever comes defaukt :D
[20:50] <apachelogger> which is pretty neat
[20:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: default is lzma which will probably prelong package builds by 100%...
[20:50]  * apachelogger thinks you can actually turn off compression altogether
[20:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: export DEB_NO_LZMA=1 in your pbuilderrc(s)
[20:55]  * apachelogger thinks that maybe he should add a non-compression option to pkg-kde-tools
[20:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^ opinions
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> that would be neat
[20:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: seems like I have you spirit, I went and got my sleeping bag here so I won't have a long way to bed today
[20:59] <Quintasan> :P
[21:00]  * apachelogger is half way in bed
[21:00] <apachelogger> well
[21:00] <apachelogger> like literally ... my legs are already in bed ^^
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> lol
[21:01] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: are you uploading yet?
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> oh, I'll be away starting tomorrow until August 11th. (though I may still get online from time to time. It'll just be less often)
[21:01] <Quintasan> should I get coffee?
[21:02] <apachelogger> oh noes!
[21:02] <apachelogger> no JontheEchidna :(
[21:02] <apachelogger> omg
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> even I have to have my 2 weeks :P
[21:02] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I do not even have no coffee left
[21:02]  * apachelogger could get some breakfast tea ^^
[21:02] <shadeslayer> uploading noq
[21:03] <Quintasan> I have 8 cans of Mountain Dew but I think I do need coffee now
[21:03] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:03] <Quintasan> MD is awesome
[21:03]  * apachelogger is wondering if apachelogger the irish soul is thinking of the right kind of mountain dew ^^
[21:04] <shadeslayer> Uploading kde4libs_4.5.0.orig.tar.bz2
[21:04] <Quintasan> I do net think so apachelogger ^^
[21:04] <Quintasan> not*
[21:04] <apachelogger> ahhhh
[21:04] <apachelogger> soft drink
[21:04] <apachelogger> what an unappropriate name for a soft drink :P
[21:04] <apachelogger> probably not a big seller in irland
[21:05] <shadeslayer> guess what.. there was a power outage just now
[21:05] <apachelogger> or maybe it is?
[21:05] <shadeslayer> the universe is conspiring against me now :D
[21:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is what you get for not uploading kdelibs I suppose :P
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> more people need to digg this! http://digg.com/linux_unix/New_Kubuntu_website_is_live
[21:05]  * Quintasan gets his banhammer
[21:05] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^_^
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> anyways, time to go home... bbiab
[21:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so now i hooked up the modem and the laptop to my backup power supply...
[21:06]  * Quintasan smashes shadeslayer's power cord with b&hammer
[21:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger: check msg :P
[21:06] <shadeslayer> muwhahaha
[21:06] <shadeslayer> im still here
[21:06] <apachelogger> did I get porn?
[21:06] <Quintasan> nope
[21:07] <Quintasan> Just a little question ^_^
[21:07] <shadeslayer> Successfully uploaded packages.
[21:09] <Quintasan> geat
[21:09] <Quintasan> gah
[21:09] <Quintasan> great
[21:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so
[21:09] <shadeslayer> so?
[21:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can we take kdebase-runtime, base and that shit? :P
[21:09] <apachelogger> pardon the language there
[21:09]  * apachelogger watched to much lewis black ^^
[21:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: uh actually... runtime and kdebase have some changes
[21:09] <shadeslayer> ill push them to a bzr branch first then
[21:09] <Quintasan> commit them!
[21:10] <shadeslayer> yep
[21:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, just unmark the stuff we can work on while you take your beauty sleep ;)
[21:11] <Quintasan> woah
[21:11] <Quintasan> there was a major cleanup in ppa it seems
[21:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hahaha sure :D
[21:11] <Quintasan> wtf
[21:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah i did that
[21:12] <Quintasan> meta-kde is still being published?
[21:12] <Quintasan> :/
[21:12] <shadeslayer> stupid dophin
[21:13] <apachelogger> Quintasan: hm?
[21:13] <Quintasan>  Note: Some binary packages for this source are not yet published in the repository.
[21:13] <Quintasan> on meta-lde
[21:13] <Quintasan> kde*
[21:14] <shadeslayer> seems i was wrong.. no major changes for kdebase* as well
[21:14] <shadeslayer> ill unmark from wiki
[21:14] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, I only uploaded half an hour ago because shadeslayer deleted my earlier upload
[21:14] <Quintasan> lol
[21:14] <shadeslayer> + accidently
[21:14] <apachelogger> yeah sure :P
[21:14]  * Quintasan hits shadeslayer with banhammer
[21:14] <Quintasan> go to sleep
[21:14] <apachelogger> you just didnt want me to get launchpad karma
[21:14] <Quintasan> now!
[21:14] <apachelogger> right
[21:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nighty night!
[21:14] <apachelogger> sleep tight
[21:15] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Don't you have like over 9000 of it?
[21:15] <apachelogger> dream of library symbols and missing files
[21:15] <shadeslayer> ^ totally
[21:15] <shadeslayer> hehe
[21:15] <apachelogger> Quintasan: 9k? what is this? kindergarden? Oo
[21:15] <apachelogger> 9k I had when I was not even MOTU
[21:15] <Quintasan> lol
[21:16] <Quintasan> I don't know how much I have
[21:16] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you missed a 0
[21:16] <apachelogger> mind me, I still need to apply for MOTO so I can talk to neversfelde again
[21:16] <Quintasan> MOTO?
[21:16] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[21:16] <Quintasan> I have 5000 karma :O
[21:16] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: only? :P
[21:16] <apachelogger> neversfelde: applied for MOTO and apparently got accepted as such
[21:16] <Quintasan> yeah
[21:16] <Quintasan> I don't care about karma
[21:16] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i haz 10k :D
[21:17] <apachelogger> and you alway say I do not do no work :P
[21:17] <shadeslayer> me neither
[21:17] <Quintasan> jamesw has about 1milion IIRC
[21:17] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+karma
[21:17] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that is because all ubuntu bzr imports go through his account
[21:17] <apachelogger> which is weird in itself IMHO
[21:17] <shadeslayer> lol
[21:17] <Quintasan> LOL
[21:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: he wants all the karma
[21:17] <apachelogger> yup yup ^^
[21:17] <Quintasan> nice karma stealing
[21:18] <Quintasan> :O
[21:18] <apachelogger> quite the badass
[21:18] <apachelogger> so
[21:18] <apachelogger> masters
[21:18] <apachelogger> assign me a package to update
[21:18] <Quintasan> apachelogger: kdebindings
[21:18] <Quintasan> :P
[21:18] <Quintasan> Python is broken again
[21:18] <apachelogger> oh
[21:19] <apachelogger> again
[21:19] <apachelogger> pyth0rn is broken?
[21:19] <apachelogger> how so?
[21:19] <apachelogger> :P
[21:19] <Quintasan> because it is Python?
[21:19] <apachelogger> good point
[21:19] <shadeslayer> anyways ... im off to sleep .. ill take up whatever is left of KDE tomorrow :D
[21:19] <Quintasan> Do we need any explanations for Python being broken?
[21:19] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: NOTHING WILL BE LEFT
[21:19] <shadeslayer> if theres any ...
[21:19] <Quintasan> :P
[21:19] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[21:19] <shadeslayer> thats good :P
[21:20] <shadeslayer> night then
[21:20] <apachelogger> I think jon broke the graph :/
[21:20] <apachelogger> well
[21:20] <apachelogger> Quintasan: bindings is pending anyway because of pimlibs :P
[21:20] <Quintasan> great
[21:21] <Quintasan> and I'm pending due to kdelibs
[21:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer--
[21:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan++
[21:21] <Quintasan> oh build started
[21:21] <apachelogger> well, I will get ready with graphics then
[21:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you did graphics already? :P
[21:26] <apachelogger> ah
[21:26] <apachelogger> rc3
[21:28] <CIA-98> [kdegraphics] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (changelog control) * New upstream release - Also Bump the build-depends ;)
[21:28] <Quintasan> no pushing to bzr without testbuilding
[21:28] <Quintasan> !
[21:28]  * Quintasan kicks apachelogger
[21:29] <Quintasan> also, use sbuild
[21:29] <apachelogger> if I do not push and say my head explodes that no one can build on the work
[21:29] <apachelogger> Quintasan: why would I want to use sbuild?
[21:30] <Quintasan> Because it is better
[21:30] <Quintasan> And used by Debian
[21:30] <Quintasan> Quality++
[21:30] <apachelogger> and that is supposed to justify sbuild? Oo
[21:30] <apachelogger> holy french fries
[21:31] <Quintasan> well, it's faster than cowbuilder even?
[21:31] <Quintasan> seconds faster but faster
[21:31] <Quintasan> :P
[21:33] <apachelogger> dude, the compression of the debs probably takes longer than any of those setting up themselfs
[21:33] <apachelogger> you are tweaking at the wrong end
[21:34] <Quintasan> gah
[21:39]  * apachelogger thinks a build bot would be nice
[21:40] <apachelogger> announcing when a build starts and ends and when it is published and if there was an issue and maybe add the last couple of build lines if there was an issue ^^^
[21:56] <apachelogger> \o/
[22:03] <Quintasan> WHAT
[22:03] <Quintasan> THE
[22:03] <Quintasan> FCKS
[22:03] <Quintasan> kdelibs failed
[22:03] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I'm going to fix that crap
[22:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan++
[22:04] <txwikinger> When I use qtwebkit to display a webpage, is it only statically, or does it also do javascript?
[22:04]  * apachelogger is wondering why it failed
[22:04] <apachelogger> txwikinger: js too
[22:04] <txwikinger> cool
[22:04]  * txwikinger likes that
[22:05] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: --
[22:05] <apachelogger> oh
[22:05] <apachelogger> aspell
[22:05] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[22:05] <Quintasan> what?
[22:05] <apachelogger> IIRC we use that other thing
[22:05] <Quintasan> god damn
[22:05]  * txwikinger tries to find Riddell's old tutorial on how to create a webbrowser in 5 minutes
[22:05] <apachelogger> hence we do not build or package with aspell
[22:05] <txwikinger> Quintasan: please stop using this kind of languagw
[22:05] <apachelogger> txwikinger: on techbase it is I suppose
[22:06] <apachelogger> just add qwebview and then the desired stuff for the UI you want and hook up the Qt signals to the appropriate slots ;)
[22:06] <Quintasan> txwikinger: Yes Sir!
[22:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: supposedly shadeslayer did not build in a clean env?
[22:06] <apachelogger> anyhow
[22:06] <apachelogger> what I came to wonder about...
[22:07] <apachelogger> who do you people actually do symbols file updates?
[22:07]  * apachelogger has a feeling a pbuilder hook would be nice for that stuff
[22:08] <Quintasan> I did them onc
[22:08] <Quintasan> once*
[22:08] <Quintasan> just applied the diff
[22:11] <txwikinger> apachelogger: actually on the kubuntu wiki
[22:11] <Quintasan> great, now launchpad time outs on me
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: if any launchpad blog would not make you cringe, this would be the one: http://blog.launchpad.net/general/assigning-bugs-to-someone-else-or-not
[22:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^ how are symbol files being updated?
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> use pkgkde-deb2symbols
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> then pkgkde-symbolshelper create -o libfoobar.symbols <dir with symbol files>
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> well, actually that's for a new symbols file
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> to update them
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> what I've done is save the diff that debhelper spits at you
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> and then pkgkde-symbolshelper patch symbols.diff -p packagename
[22:15] <apachelogger> sounds like a lovely PITA
[22:15] <apachelogger> it shall be hook'd I say
[22:15] <apachelogger> but first things first... pkg-kde-tools
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> battools need to come back with a vengance
[22:17] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: Muon 0.4 for amd64 is reafy?
[22:17] <ulysses> ready
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> whoa, you're fast
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> yeah, you should see it if you check for updates
[22:18]  * ulysses upgrading Muon
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> looks like i386 will be there in 3 days...
[22:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the realm of supremacy shall once more reach out over the lands of kubuntu
[22:21] <ulysses> oh, I was too fast: ímuon: error while loading shared libraries: libdebconf-kde.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22:21] <Quintasan> apachelogger: how do you plan on doing that?
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> :s
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> that library is whacked
[22:22] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yes.  Just about my exact thought when I read it.
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: could you apt-cache policy libdebconf-kde0 please?
[22:23] <ulysses> Installed: 0.1~svn1156003-0ubuntu1~ppa2
[22:25] <Quintasan> what the heck
[22:25] <Quintasan> apachelogger: the install files that shadeslayer uploaded do not install that aspell file
[22:26] <apachelogger> fail-missing?
[22:26] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: the whole output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/470839/
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: try installing libdebconf-kde-dev for a temporary workaround
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: could I get the output of apt-cache show muon too, please?
[22:28] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: Thanks, Muon starts! http://paste.ubuntu.com/470840/
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: apt-cache show, please :)
[22:29] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: Oh, that's here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/470841/
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> gah, it's still not linking
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> I'll have to add it as a manual dependency again
[22:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan: shadeslayer did not push?
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> man, I thought .so versioning would fix the libdebconf-kde linking issue :(
[22:36] <ulysses> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/images/muon/muon04.pngh
[22:37] <ulysses> ^^
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> sweet, in all its localized glory :)
[22:40] <ulysses> now we have to go and translate the package descriptions, what is  suck:P
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: is "Not installed" really the same as in english?
[22:42] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: no, it was fuzzy today morning, and the translator credit is wrong, bI committed the fix
[22:42] <Quintasan> oh man
[22:42] <Quintasan> this is some serious mess
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> aah, good to hear
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> I was afraid I had messed something up ;)
[22:43]  * ulysses slaps scripty
[22:43]  * JontheEchidna watches more Stargate SG1
[22:45] <Quintasan> plus he did no ~ppa1 upload
[22:51]  * apachelogger hands Quintasan a cookie to make him less grumpy
[22:51] <Quintasan> cookies won't help that
[22:53] <apachelogger> too bad :/
[22:53] <apachelogger> well, it was worth a try
[22:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna!!!!!!!
[22:53] <Quintasan> This is some serious business
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger!!!!!!!
[22:53] <apachelogger> ifeq ($(DEB_BUILD_ARCH),i386)
[22:54] <Quintasan> I wonder why sbuild won't keep downloaded packages
[22:54] <apachelogger> can you feel it
[22:54] <apachelogger> ?
[22:54] <apachelogger> the darkness?
[22:54] <apachelogger> poor old amd64 will feel so alone :(
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> oh!
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> for not doing translation shizz on i386!
[22:54] <apachelogger> exactly
[22:54] <Quintasan> bah
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> er
[22:54] <Quintasan> six cans left
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> only doing it on i386!
[22:57] <eMyller> damn!
[22:57] <eMyller> oh gawd!!
[22:57] <eMyller> qtwebkit is rendering stuff properly now! :D
[22:58] <eMyller> when did they fix it?
[22:58] <Quintasan> apachelogger: building
[22:58]  * eMyller wants to give the one who solved the bug a kiss
[22:58] <apachelogger> buffalo soldier
[22:58] <eMyller> [if it's a female, ofc]
[22:58] <apachelogger> dreadlock rasta
[22:58] <apachelogger> therw as a buffalo solider
[22:58] <apachelogger> in the heart of america
[22:58] <apachelogger> stolen from africa
[22:59] <apachelogger> brought to america
[22:59] <apachelogger> ...
[22:59] <apachelogger> fighting on arrival
[22:59] <apachelogger> fighting for survival
[23:00] <eMyller> ..?
[23:00] <apachelogger> eMyller: that sort of attitude is you not getting anywhere in floss :P
[23:00] <apachelogger> way to few women
[23:00] <apachelogger> one must be more flexible in these grounds :P
[23:00] <eMyller> haha
[23:00] <eMyller> was kidding, ofc
[23:00] <eMyller> wait.. no box-shadow yet. :(
[23:01] <apachelogger> see, not kissworthy yet anyway
[23:01] <eMyller> :\
[23:04] <ulysses> time to sleep, good night
[23:04] <eMyller> nite, ulysses
[23:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna!!!!!!
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger!!!!!!!
[23:05] <apachelogger> MIDNIGHT!
[23:05]  * apachelogger loves the doctor who soundtracks ^^
[23:05] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~/tmp/kde-l10n-de-4.4.92$ ar t ../kde-l10n-de_4.4.92-0ubuntu1*deb
[23:05] <apachelogger> debian-binary
[23:05] <apachelogger> control.tar.gz
[23:05] <apachelogger> data.tar
[23:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what do you see here?
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> an unzipped .deb?
[23:06] <eMyller> i'm using the browser addressbar at bottom. am i normal?
[23:06] <apachelogger> well, notice anything odd about the content? ^^
[23:06] <Quintasan> debian-binary?
[23:06] <apachelogger> eMyller: I did have that too for a very long time
[23:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what is odd about that :O
[23:07] <Quintasan> well it's a langpack
[23:07] <Quintasan> :P
[23:07] <apachelogger> lol
[23:07] <eMyller> am trying to get used to it. feels good, unless for the fact that the suggestions widget isn't positioned upwards the address input widget.
[23:07] <eMyller> so i can't see it entirely sometimes.
[23:08] <apachelogger> well
[23:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well, the only thing that seems odd is that the one file is gzipped and the other is not :P
[23:08] <apachelogger> here is a tip
[23:08] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~/tmp/kde-l10n-de-4.4.92$ ar t /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs5_4%3a4.4.92a-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2_i386.deb
[23:08] <apachelogger> debian-binary
[23:08] <apachelogger> control.tar.gz
[23:08] <apachelogger> data.tar.lzma
[23:08] <Quintasan> oh
[23:08] <Quintasan> lzma
[23:08] <apachelogger> behold
[23:08] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~/tmp/kde-l10n-de-4.4.92$ export DEB_NO_LZMA=1
[23:08] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~/tmp/kde-l10n-de-4.4.92$ export DEB_NO_COMPRESSION=1
[23:08] <apachelogger> build time down 100200204%
[23:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: and that is how I will archive supremacy
[23:10] <Quintasan> hgnh
[23:13] <Quintasan> how does one move the aptcache from /var/cache/pbuilder/aptcache?
[23:13] <Quintasan> oh
[23:14] <Quintasan> libxine1-misc-plugins: Depends: libmpcdec3 which is a virtual package.
[23:14] <Quintasan> what the heck
[23:15] <ScottK> Quintasan: You need to update.  Either you're behind or your mirror is stale.
[23:15] <ScottK> linxine got rebuilt already.
[23:15] <Quintasan> oh okay
[23:17] <Quintasan> ScottK: ugh, seems like my mirror is stale
[23:18] <ScottK> For the development release, I recommend you always pull straight from a.u.c.
[23:19] <Quintasan> a.u.c. is what?
[23:20] <Quintasan> ScottK: ^
[23:20] <eMyller> anyone on 32b could please give me the latest builds for oxygen-transparent?
[23:20] <ScottK> archive.ubuntu.com
[23:21] <eMyller> Kate is not behaving well with it, and the devs swear it's about oxygen-transparent...
[23:21] <ScottK> i.e. don't use a mirror
[23:23] <ryanakca> bug 611452
[23:24] <Quintasan> ScottK: works, thanks
[23:24] <eMyller> anyone could please confirm https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42156 ?
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: if rbot were truely superior its ++ plugin would use prefix ++ instead of postfix
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> ~karma c
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> aww, no kubotu
[23:38] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I told apachelogger I can host kubotu for a while but he didn't want me to do so :P
[23:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: whut?
[23:39]  * apachelogger does not follow
[23:39] <apachelogger> oh
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> for non-pod types, ++var is more efficient than var++
[23:39] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[23:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: in ruby pod does not exist :P
[23:40] <apachelogger> in fact, I would not talk about types in a ruby context to begin with
[23:40] <apachelogger> which is the try supremacy here
[23:40] <Quintasan> No
[23:40] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I rather have a permanent home than a travelling bot :P
[23:40] <Quintasan> It is not
[23:40] <Quintasan> okay, it built sucessfully
[23:41] <Quintasan> TAD late but uploading
[23:41] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: you sure did some nasty things
[23:41] <Quintasan> apachelogger: we do not need compression in local builds, right?
[23:42]  * apachelogger just wrote a mail about that stuff :P
[23:42] <Quintasan> great
[23:42] <apachelogger> Quintasan: generally not, unless you publish your builds somehwere
[23:43] <Quintasan> I use pbuilder just to check if it builds
[23:43] <apachelogger> though one might argue that issues at compression stage might be happening that you will not see in a testbuild with no compression
[23:43] <Quintasan> I have never ever saw that happen
[23:43] <apachelogger> then I would argue that the chance of that happening is like 0.0000000000000001
[23:46] <Quintasan> ara
[23:46] <Quintasan> Uploading...
[23:49] <stalcup> does kubotu need hosting?
[23:55] <eMyller> Quintasan: do you have oxygen-transparent there?
[23:56] <Quintasan> yeas
[23:56] <Quintasan> yes


[03:46] <ScottSanbar> firefox crashing on flash - Ubuntu 11.04/FireFox 7.0.1/Flash Plugin <IP_ADDRESS>-0natty1 - Google no help - any suggestions?  Crashes every time, since yesterday (recent udates)
[03:48] <bodhizazen> what version of flash ? 32 or 64 bit ?
[03:48] <ScottSanbar> Just a minute ...
[03:50] <bodhizazen> I have been using the 11 beta, now RC - http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer11.html
[03:50] <ScottSanbar> Don't know - how do I see that?
[03:50] <bodhizazen> uname -m
[03:51] <bodhizazen> looks like the plugin in 10.3.x
[03:51] <ScottSanbar> i686
[03:51] <bodhizazen> OK, so 32 bit
[03:51] <ScottSanbar> yes
[03:51] <bodhizazen> personally I would remove your current flash version
[03:51] <ScottSanbar> then do what?
[03:51] <bodhizazen> sudo apt-get remove flashnonfree I think it is
[03:52] <ScottSanbar> ok, then just reinstall or what?
[03:52] <bodhizazen> flashplugin-nonfree
[03:52] <bodhizazen> download the RC from here : http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer11.html
[03:52] <bodhizazen> the 32 bit tar ball
[03:53] <bodhizazen> extract it (I save it in ~/src/flash)
[03:53] <bodhizazen> then sudo cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[03:54] <bodhizazen> then re-start ff and see if it is now working
[03:54] <ScottSanbar> FYI:  scott@scotts2ub:~/code/cpp/randconverse/randconverse-1.0$ dpkg -l | grep -i flash
[03:54] <ScottSanbar> ii  flashplugin-installer                 <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>                 Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[03:55] <bodhizazen> ok, aye remove that thing =)
[03:55] <ScottSanbar> is there something wrong with it?
[03:55] <bodhizazen> you said it is not working
[03:55] <ScottSanbar> why does it say "installer"?
[03:55] <ScottSanbar> true
[03:55] <bodhizazen> it is almost certainly a script to download , extract, and install the flash plugin
[03:55] <ScottSanbar> I meant was there a known issue with it ... not just something specific to me, like my video card or something ...
[03:56] <bodhizazen> IDK, I had problems with it and went to the flash 11 beta a while ago
[03:56] <bodhizazen> but I was running the 32 bit flash on a 64 bit os
[03:56] <ScottSanbar> OK, seems safe enough to try - just a file in the plugins directory ...
[03:57] <bodhizazen> yep
[03:57] <bodhizazen> easy enough to un-do
[03:57] <seidos> fyi, i stopped using flash entirely.  trying to do all html5 whenever possible
[03:57] <ScottSanbar> If you are interested, I am doing it now - just a minute, and I'll let you know what happens
[03:57] <bodhizazen> +1 seidos
[03:57] <ScottSanbar> Thanks
[03:58] <bodhizazen> seidos, http://bodhizazen.net/img/Myah/myah.html
[03:58] <seidos> bodhizazen: i've seen it, skiing, cute ^_^
[03:58] <bodhizazen> html5 + webm
[03:59] <seidos> yaw i've been doing the youtube.com/html5 trial.  ff does webm, i just tried epiphany today.  it supports h.264
[03:59] <bodhizazen> The page source is 7 lines long
[03:59] <seidos> i guess that shouldn't be surprising
[03:59] <seidos> i hear h.264 is evil though
[03:59] <bodhizazen> Ah, I threw that page together to try out html5
[03:59] <seidos> iirc i did a ctrl-u on the page to look at it
[04:00] <bodhizazen> h.264 is evil
[04:00] <seidos> just revisited the source, i'd probably do something like it if i had a place to host the video file
[04:01] <bodhizazen> I convert whole DVD to h.264 , so my children can watch videos on my wife's cell phone, I think they end up taking up about 150 or so mb
[04:01] <seidos> so are the files smaller than webm?
[04:01] <bodhizazen> seidos, =)
[04:02] <bodhizazen> not sure about that, I think webm is smaller, but the cell phone only plays h.264
[04:02] <seidos> ah, android?
[04:05] <ScottSanbar> scott@scotts2ub:~/Downloads/flash$ sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-installer
[04:05] <ScottSanbar> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:05] <ScottSanbar> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:06] <ScottSanbar> ?
[04:07] <bodhizazen> you running a graphical package manager ScottSanbar ?
[04:07] <ScottSanbar> duh ... yes ... (embarrassed) ... thanks
[04:07] <bodhizazen> and I would purge rather then remove
[04:07] <ScottSanbar> why purge?  How?
[04:08] <bodhizazen> purge removes everything, remove leaves config files
[04:08] <bodhizazen> sudo apt-get purge foo
[04:08] <ScottSanbar> oh, yah ... I remember now ... good idea ... thanks
[04:13] <ScottSanbar> no crash when uninstalled, still crashes with rc1
[04:14] <bodhizazen> what page is crashing ScottSanbar ? and did you restart firefox ?
[04:15] <ScottSanbar> different pages, had to restart firefox after crash (several times), cms.bsu.edu/
[04:15] <ScottSanbar> http;//cms.bsu.edu
[04:16] <bodhizazen> page loads fine here
[04:17] <ScottSanbar> flash website loads flash fine (adobe), though
[04:17] <bodhizazen> In a terminal, open firefox -P
[04:17] <bodhizazen> create a new profile
[04:17] <bodhizazen> could be one of your extensions
[04:18] <bodhizazen> you can try disabling all of them and enable them one at a time
[04:31] <ScottSanbar> Thank you very much, bodhizazen - you have been very helpful!  Still not working, but I have a plan to try.
[04:32] <bodhizazen> very odd ScottSanbar
[04:32] <bodhizazen> Can you past another page that id broken for you ?
[04:33] <ScottSanbar> There was at least one other page, but I do not remember what it was - result of a search.
[04:34] <ScottSanbar> may have been more pages, but I do not remember
[04:34] <bodhizazen> OK, well most pages work ?
[04:34] <bodhizazen> If I can reproduce the problem you are having ...
[04:34] <bodhizazen> I still suspect one of your extensions at this point
[04:34] <ScottSanbar> I don't know - just tried flash.com and it worked.  yah - it would be nice if you could reproduce.  Know any intense flash pages?
[04:34] <bodhizazen> proxy server of any kind ?
[04:34] <ScottSanbar> no
[04:35] <bodhizazen> http://www.webkinz.com/
[04:37] <bodhizazen> The site says you need to install flash, but it works
[04:37] <bodhizazen> "Take a tour"
[04:38] <ScottSanbar> yes - works fine ... I'll just avoid ball state.  Oklahoma University just stomped them 63-6 or something tonight, anyway ... ;)
[04:38] <ScottSanbar> it did not say "you need to install flash" for me, though
[04:39] <ScottSanbar> sometimes football just isn't fair
[04:40] <bodhizazen> OK, well you have flash 11 RC, it has some nice features as flash goes, just watch the page I gave you for updates from time to time
[04:41] <ScottSanbar> ok, thanks very much, again. BTW, my name is Scott Sanbar (obiously) ... nice to meet you.
[04:41] <ScottSanbar> s/obiously/obviously/
[04:42] <bodhizazen> sorry I was not able to fix your flash problem
[04:42] <ScottSanbar> no problem.  I learned some valuable stuff, and have a route to take to do more trouble shooting if I wish
[04:43] <bodhizazen> sometimes it is a problem with javascript, you can try another browser, midori or chromium or opera
[04:43] <ScottSanbar> ok, I have chrome - just a minute
[04:45] <ScottSanbar> chrome works fine
[04:45] <bodhizazen> there you go =)
[04:45] <bodhizazen> so it is a firefox problem and not a flash problem
[04:46] <ScottSanbar> this only happened after the most recent firefox upgrade yesterday, as a matter of fact - all makes sense now
[04:49] <ScottSanbar> How's the weather in Montana these days?
[04:49] <ScottSanbar> :)
[04:50] <bodhizazen> has been nice and warm
[04:51] <ScottSanbar> Oklahoma has been incredibly beautiful lately - we are very fortunate.
[04:51] <ScottSanbar> perfect fall - we get those about every other year
[04:51] <bodhizazen> nice
[04:51] <ScottSanbar> well, that was after 50+ days straight of over 100 degrees
[04:51] <bodhizazen> It has been in the 80s and 90s for the most part, dropped to the 70s last few days
[04:52] <ScottSanbar> yah, were no wind and 70s for highs, sunny, crisp mornings - beautiful!
[04:52] <ScottSanbar> s/were/we're/
[05:24] <philipballew> bodhizazen, frdora goes to grub rescue as well
[05:25] <bodhizazen> philipballew, very odd indeed
[05:25]  * bodhizazen wonders if it is a BIOS problem of some kind
[05:25] <philipballew> how would i find out bodhizazen ?
[05:25] <philipballew> i should be able to manually mount my partition maybe
[05:26] <bodhizazen> fedora is grub1
[05:26] <bodhizazen> so what happens when you try to manually boot ?
[05:26] <bodhizazen> root (hd 0,0)
[05:27] <bodhizazen> kernel /boot/vmlin root= ...
[05:27] <bodhizazen> initrd /boot/init ...
[05:27] <bodhizazen> boot
[05:27] <bodhizazen> grub uses tab completion =)
[05:27] <philipballew> how do i manually boot?
[05:28] <seidos> he just told you how philipballew
[05:28] <philipballew> :) seidos :)
[05:28] <seidos> i think :)
[05:28] <seidos> i haven't tried those commands in awhile, and only did it once
[05:29] <philipballew> bodhizazen, is there one of those that boots it?
[05:31] <seidos> !grub
[05:31] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[05:31] <philipballew> !grub1
[05:31] <ubot2> grub 1 is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub for Karmic onwards
[05:31] <seidos> i think the 2nd link may have some grub rescue stuff
[05:36] <philipballew> eureka!!! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1014708
[05:37] <bodhizazen> lol
[05:38] <philipballew> bodhizazen, what? :)
[05:39] <philipballew> eureka!!!  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1549653
[05:39] <philipballew> that works to maybe ^
[05:39] <bodhizazen> not sure about that thread philipballew
[05:40] <bodhizazen> To boot from a grub prompt ...
[05:40] <philipballew> hum. ill keep looking
[05:41] <bodhizazen> you need to specify the root partition in grub-speak, the kernel, the root partition (in linux-speak), and the initramfs
[05:41] <bodhizazen> You can use tab completion, just like bash
[05:41] <bodhizazen> boot (hd 0,0)
[05:41] <bodhizazen> That would be sda1
[05:41] <bodhizazen> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-version_number root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
[05:42] <bodhizazen> initrd /boot/initrd-version_number
[05:42] <bodhizazen> boot
[05:43] <philipballew> alright, so if im running fedora on here currently it would be that? what do you think causes that error?
[05:45] <philipballew> bodhizazen, It says unknown command boot
[05:51] <philipballew> well im lost :)
[05:52] <bodhizazen> philipballew, are you at a grub prompt ?
[05:52] <bodhizazen> or did you boot the fedora live CD
[05:53] <philipballew> im at grub prompt bod
[05:53] <bodhizazen> where is fedora installed ?
[05:54] <philipballew> on my harddrive. though i have 2 of them i think its whatever the default is
[05:54] <philipballew> sd 0 then?
[05:56] <bodhizazen> first HD is sda in linux , hd0 to grub
[05:56] <bodhizazen> so what did it say when you entered
[05:56] <bodhizazen> root (hd0,0)
[05:58] <philipballew> unknown command root
[06:00] <bodhizazen> That does not sound like grub 1
[06:00] <bodhizazen> what version of Fedora ?
[06:00] <bodhizazen> did you download f16 ?
[06:01] <bodhizazen> set root=(hd0,1)
[06:02] <philipballew> fedora 15
[06:02] <urlin2u> philipballew, did you ever run that bootscript, it would take out a bit of the variables here.
[06:03] <philipballew> urlin2u, id need to boot into a live usb to do that. and out of grub
[06:04] <urlin2u> philipballew, I would follow bodhizazen , but is this the same HD that has the debuan?
[06:04] <urlin2u> debian
[06:05] <urlin2u> orsame computer the second HD? philipballew
[06:05] <philipballew> yeah, but now im trying fedora
[06:06] <urlin2u> philipballew, basically  wasn't sure if bodhizazen new if the debian install which is grub2.
[06:06] <urlin2u> if=of
[06:06] <philipballew> i can install debian again
[06:06] <philipballew> no big deal
[06:07] <philipballew> ubuntu as well
[06:07] <urlin2u> philipballew, sure, grub2 is great for picking up the others including fedora, I always have a grub2 OS for just that reason.
[06:07] <philipballew> bodhizazen, in order to runkernel /boot/vmlinuz-version_number root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash id need to know what kernal i hav
[06:09] <bodhizazen> yes, but you can use tab completion
[06:09] <bodhizazen> type vmlin<tab>
[06:10] <philipballew> tab does not work for me :). it seems that grub may have peoblems with this computer
[06:10] <philipballew> maybe i should boot with a live cd and re install
[06:10] <bodhizazen> hitting tab twice bring up a menu ?
[06:11] <philipballew> nothing
[06:11] <philipballew> i even hit it like 5 times
[06:11] <philipballew> if only you lived in sd id buy you lunch to look at it
[06:23] <philipballew> bodhizazen, what am i doing wrong?
[06:25] <bodhizazen> I am not sure philipballew
[06:26] <philipballew> i think im gonna boot with a livecd and check the dick then reinstall grub
[06:26] <bodhizazen> When you installed Fedora, did you make a boot partition ?
[06:26] <bodhizazen> use LVM ?
[06:26] <philipballew> *disc
[06:26] <philipballew> no i did not
[06:26] <philipballew> it did it for me
[06:26] <philipballew> i selected my hd i pit my system on as the boot loader
[06:29] <philipballew> bodhizazen, thats just my idea
[06:31] <bodhizazen> philipballew, boot a live CD and take a look at your partitions and what is on them
[06:31] <philipballew> ok. hold on
[06:49] <philipballew> bodhizazen, check this out http://imagebin.org/177063
[06:49]  * bodhizazen looks
[06:50] <bodhizazen> OK, so default fedora =)
[06:50] <bodhizazen> when you boot
[06:50]  * philipballew agrees
[06:50] <bodhizazen> you can use root (hd1,0)
[06:50] <philipballew> should now that i am in a live usb do this from grub?
[06:50] <bodhizazen> in the sdb1 partition, do you see a kernel ?
[06:51] <bodhizazen> and a /grub directory ?
[06:51] <philipballew> where would i look?
[06:51] <philipballew> ah sorry
[06:53] <bodhizazen> sure, take a look
[06:53] <bodhizazen> running the fedora live CD ? or Ubuntu ?
[06:53] <philipballew> ubuntu
[06:54] <philipballew> lubuntu actually
[06:54] <philipballew> ubuntu's naming scheme is odd. id raher see them all called ubuntu
[06:55] <bodhizazen> OK , you want to end up with lubuntu ?
[06:55] <bodhizazen> at this point I would say install it, but do not reboot yet
[06:56] <bodhizazen> After installing it, install grub into the MBR of both hard drivers
[06:57] <philipballew> ok. lets start the install right now. why both jw?
[07:03] <bodhizazen> I am going to guess that your BIOS is not sorting out first and second hard driver, master slave the way we want it to
[07:03] <philipballew> i can take the second out
[07:03] <bodhizazen> so I hope if you install grub to the MBR of both hard drives it will sort itself out
[07:04] <bodhizazen> you could, but that is no fun =)
[07:04] <philipballew> i dont have any pins on either
[07:04] <philipballew> i need the 200 for my music!!!
[07:04] <bodhizazen> getting late here, good luck to you
[07:05] <philipballew> okay!
[07:05] <philipballew> if all fails, ill remove the drive
[07:11] <bodhizazen> ok, best of luck
[07:12] <bodhizazen> sometimes you need to map drives in grub
[07:14] <philipballew> i can do that. I might just buy a jumper and put it in the drive if need be
[07:15] <bodhizazen> jumper might help, not sure
[07:16] <bodhizazen> it does not matter with modern bios, but yours might be confused ?
[07:16] <philipballew> maybe. its a pentium 4
[07:19] <ScottSanbar> philipballew:  how old is the mobo?
[07:21] <philipballew> ScottSanbar, maybe 6 years
[07:23] <ScottSanbar> philipballew:  I seem to remember bios limits on hd size, but do not remember the size limit or the time frame.
[07:23] <philipballew> Is there a way to get around those limits?
[07:26] <ScottSanbar> Not sure they apply as recently as 6 years ago - see here:  http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/hard_drive_size_barriers.htm
[07:27] <ScottSanbar> Hold on ... I need to get a better link ...
[07:27] <philipballew> dell demention 4600
[07:28] <ScottSanbar> Here is a much clearer distillation of the above link (tmi above): http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO-4.html
[07:30] <ScottSanbar> This might help: http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/disk-drives/f/3534/t/19353123.aspx
[07:30] <ScottSanbar> What is your BIOS revision number?  Have you updated it to the latest off the Dell website?  (H
[07:32] <ScottSanbar> Very enlightening - details from Dell support:  http://www.doityourself.com/forum/computers-peripherals/350707-hard-drive-upgrade-problems-dell-dimension-4600-a.html
[07:33] <ScottSanbar> You should be able to open a ticket via e-mail with Dell support - they give lifetime e-mail support, I think, but maybe not - not sure
[07:33] <ScottSanbar> and maybe won't help you with non-windows
[07:34] <ScottSanbar> this problem does not appear to be a standard HD limitation issue, but a dell specific BIOS issue, from the links above
[07:39] <ScottSanbar> The standard fix for standard HD biggness issues was, if I remember correctly, to manually configure the drive parameters into a smaller drive - in this case, try 160GB or less- just search a 160 GB hd spec for the sector/head/cylinder geometry and set the BIOS to that is the easiest.
[07:40] <ScottSanbar> The BiOS may also have some standard specs pre-set that you can choose from a list
[07:41] <ScottSanbar> Also, make sure LBA, etc. is selected, as a long shot
[07:43] <ScottSanbar> (long shot because it probably already is)
[07:43] <philipballew> that form you sent me was my EXACT problem
[07:43] <philipballew> WOW
[07:44] <philipballew> thats pretty cool
[07:44] <ScottSanbar> Yah, I would have jumped in earlier but was involved in zen buddhism vs. christianity with your previous helper - seems like you did a lot of work
[07:45] <philipballew> seidos, i lent him a hotel room once
[07:45] <ScottSanbar> what exactly fixed the problem?
[07:45] <philipballew> he's pretty awesome
[07:45] <ScottSanbar> yes, both your helpers seem wonderful - I like everyone I have met here, for that matter ... :)
[07:46] <philipballew> not sure, im reinstalling now, but i changed the master slave stuff and if that doesnt work ill flash the bios
[07:47] <ScottSanbar> you might try manually changing the hard drive parameters - seems to my memory to be the best probably fix at this time, but not sure.
[07:47] <philipballew> i might need to manually work with my mbr sometime.
[07:47] <ScottSanbar> Updating the BIOS is usually important, anyway, so that would be good
[07:47] <philipballew> i have a spare hd with xp on it, i could pop that in if need be
[07:47] <ScottSanbar> No, the hard drive parameters in the BIOS
[07:48] <philipballew> is that risky to flash
[07:48] <ibuclaw> ScottSanbar, never update BIOS unless it is of absolute necessity
[07:48] <ScottSanbar> there is always a risk to brick your mobo with flash, but I have only done it once in all my life.  Do you have a UPS?  Also, don't do it from Windows, but from boot CD or floppy
[07:49] <philipballew> good old floppy drive
[07:49] <ScottSanbar> Yes, that should be fine ... the old standby, I always have one in my PCs
[07:51] <ScottSanbar> yes, some say that - he has a good point, you may try other stuff first and update bios as a last resort, if you are worried.
[07:52] <ScottSanbar> Of course, if you call many support centers, they will tell you to update BIOS as a first resort before helpoing you further ... :(
[07:54] <philipballew> wonder why
[07:56] <ScottSanbar> Not sure - sometimes, when working with certain servers, they had BIOS updates every other day, so by the time you updated the BIOS and called them back, they just said "so, you need to now update to the new BIOS" - endless lack of support.  Ridiculous
[07:57] <ScottSanbar> I think it was Compaq back around 1996-1997 time frame when I had that happen ... very frustrating.
[07:59] <philipballew> what brand do you use
[08:00] <ScottSanbar> I build my own PCS now with Gigabyte Mobos - they have a dual BIOS feature so they are basically unbrickable unless you really try
[08:01] <ScottSanbar> Not all of them, I do not think, though
[08:01] <philipballew> nice!
[08:01] <philipballew> random question. how hard is it to make a driver
[08:01] <ScottSanbar> Actually, that is theoretical - I have never had to use them
[08:02] <ScottSanbar> Don't know - never written a driver.
[08:04] <ScottSanbar> Well, actually, maybe I have - written code that interfaces directly with bare hardware that provides services to upper layer software, so I guess I have, but not for Linux or Unix or anything.  I did alter drivers and modules on Red Hat Linux, if I remember correctly, though - it does not seem like it was too hard to do that.
[08:05] <philipballew> i just got 5 usb wifi adapters with this desktop, and a router as well
[08:05] <ScottSanbar> I only vaguely remember that, though.
[08:05] <philipballew> 3 of thee 5 dont have a linux driver.!!!
[08:06] <ScottSanbar> Well, dig in!  It might take a long time, but it might be fun and you might learn a lot!  Sounds very, very hard, though, but maybe you could start with an existing driver and go from there.
[08:06] <ScottSanbar> Do you know C?  Ever done any assembler?
[08:08] <philipballew> i am learning c.
[08:08] <ScottSanbar> What book?
[08:08] <philipballew> c is what drivers are written in?
[08:08] <philipballew> a cs textbook
[08:08] <philipballew> forget the name
[08:09] <ScottSanbar> I think most of the Linux kernel and drivers and modules and stuff are written in C and some assembler, but not really sure.
[08:09] <philipballew> hum. i can use ndswrapper. ever herd of it?
[08:09] <ScottSanbar> the word rings a bell, but do not know what it is
[08:10] <philipballew> its a way to use windows netword drivers to work in linux
[08:11] <ScottSanbar> Thinking about the bios update thing, it definitely is a possibility to lose your PC to a flash - since you are a student on a very tight budget, it would be a great shame for you to lose your new PC that way.  I think ibuclaw has very sound advice in saying never flash unless absolutely necessary, given availability of funding for a replacement
[08:12] <ScottSanbar> (or lack thereof)
[08:13] <philipballew> i make being cheap a skill
[08:14] <ScottSanbar> Also, please bear in mind that all those links I found and most of my experience is with Windows, so I do not know if Linux responds the same way as Windows to the Dell BIOS problems
[08:15] <ScottSanbar> Might be kind of the blind leading the blind hear ... :)
[08:15] <philipballew> well i just booted successfully and its working
[08:15] <ScottSanbar> Oh, well, how did you get it to work?
[08:17]  * ScottSanbar eagerly awaits answer :)
[08:20] <philipballew> i messed up on the master and slave confoguration :)
[08:21] <philipballew> i had to open it up and move the pin :)
[08:21] <ScottSanbar> All that advice and work ... and ... :)
[08:24] <ScottSanbar> I thought I saw you do that earlier in the troubleshooting?
[08:27] <ScottSanbar> OH, btw, its not a pin, but a jumper
[08:31] <ScottSanbar> Good night, philipballew.  Good luck with your new machine.
[08:36] <philipballew> good night ScottSanbar :)
[16:16] <nlsthzn> o/
[17:29] <milesp> hello
[17:29] <milesp> need some help for installing 11.04
[17:29] <milesp> it's getting stuck while creating ext4 filesystem
[17:30] <milesp> CD has been checked, all seems good but no after what kind of install i do, it always get stuck at this point
[17:39] <philipballew> milesp, why are you stuck
[17:39] <philipballew> what types of installs did you do
[17:41] <seidos> milesp: my advice: keep trying stuff, if you want ideas, i can help you make a list :)
[20:07] <ScottSanbar> Good afternoon
[20:14] <xxxS> ji
[20:14] <xxxS> hi
[20:22] <ScottSanbar> xxx: hi!
[20:25] <ScottSanbar> so you want to allow 2's to show up?
[20:25] <Unit193> ScottSanbar: Good one ;)
[20:48] <xxxS> anybody who knows how to setup netbeans php?
[20:49] <ScottSanbar> Unit193: yes, I always screw up on my irssi windows ... I keep doing it, and it is very embarrasing
[20:51] <xxxS> netbeans php setup?
[20:52] <xxxS> can anybody help?
[20:52] <xxxS> I actually installed but when I run my project it doesn't display right