[23:36] <robf> I thought it was at 8.10
[23:36] <oCean_> Rencx: Internal media?
[23:36] <robf> weird
[23:36] <Schuenemann> prince_jammys,  ubuntu and fedora have gnome, slackware has fluxbox and debian has none yet
[23:37] <oordez> disappeared  i ment
[23:37] <Rencx> oCean_: can you write comand?
[23:37] <brianwillis1984> robf: i dont have any desktop enviroment on my ubuntu server think u could help?
[23:37] <robf> brianwillis1984: uhm..  why would you want one?
[23:37] <robf> O.o
[23:37] <MarkusT> robf: 9.04 is the development version and will be finished in April 09 (hence 9.04)
[23:37] <Rencx> oCean_: it started to show this code page
[23:37] <robf> MarkusT: ah ha...  well when I hit upgrade... it breaks everything
[23:38] <vlt> Does anyone know which kernel package I need to run Ubuntu 8.10 in a XEN domU? There's no one ending in -xen but there's a linux-image-2.6.27-7-virtual pkg. Is that xen aware?
[23:38] <brianwillis1984> robf: im still a noob and a noob to server all together?
[23:38] <robf> is there soemthing i need to be aware of in the 8.0whatever HH to 8.10
[23:38] <oCean_> Rencx: I think I got the right option to force..
[23:38] <oCean_> Rencx: "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt -o force"  <-- that's the forced mount
[23:38] <robf> brianwillis1984: newb to english as well?     anyhow,  yeh,  uhm.   I'm sure they have a meta package for gnome just apt-get it?
[23:38] <oCean_> Rencx: start with sudo
[23:38] <robf> lemme see
[23:38] <lock> write something like "sudo apt-get -i gnome-desktop-environment"
[23:38] <MarkusT> robf: No. Just use the update-manager
[23:39] <lock> i think thats what i did
[23:39] <dixon2008> i am using uuntu 8.10
[23:39] <lock> total newb here so ....
[23:39] <dixon2008> *ubuntu
[23:39] <MarkusT> Can someone shed some light on this: Why is there a 0.3.6 packagekit source package and a 0.3.13 binary package in Jaunty? It seems source was build successfully, why isn't it in the repositories?
[23:39] <oordez> does any one know how to get network options back in admin options its disappeared
[23:40] <Rencx> !pastebin
[23:40] <Rencx> oCean_: here is result... http://paste.ubuntu.com/113385/
[23:40] <lock> did that help brian?
[23:40] <fiftyone> hi whats the difference between GDM GTK 1.x 2.x ??
[23:41] <prince_jammys> Schuenemann: i'd look around the web. there's others who have had your problem. Eg: google sharing /home directory many distros .ICEauthority
[23:41] <oCean_> Rencx: seems even a forced mount command does not like the filesystem on the disk
[23:42] <prince_jammys> Schuenemann: there's a few threads with people with your problem. careful with all the random crap code that's out there.
[23:42] <Schuenemann> prince_jammys,  I found a lot of entries for that error message, but none about having many distros
[23:42] <Rencx> oCean_: only way is put this hard drive to windows and then safely remove?
[23:42] <oordez> any one how do i get network tools option back in admin tab
[23:42] <Schuenemann> prince_jammys,  haha yeah. After this last one I ran, I'll be a lot more careful from now
[23:42] <prince_jammys> Schuenemann: that google search i pasted will show you some people with your problem
[23:42] <oCean_> Rencx: yes so it seems... Sometimes the forced mount option works, though
[23:43] <zacktu> can anyone help with wireless dns
[23:43] <lock> hey what do you guys use for a torrent client, deluge?
[23:43] <Rencx> oCean_: ok ty for trying to help me..
[23:43] <oCean_> Rencx: no problem.
[23:44] <fiftyone> anyone know what the difference (when themeing ) is between gdm gtk 1.x and gtk 2.x?
[23:44] <Schuenemann> prince_jammys,  it's weird only ubuntu has problems with that
[23:44] <oordez> any one hear me
[23:44] <prince_jammys> Schuenemann: accessing data files should be easy across distros. it's the stupid dotfiles for applications/desktop environments that's a pain
[23:45] <vlt> Hello. Which kernel package do I need to run Ubuntu 8.10 in a XEN domU? linux-image-virtual?
[23:46] <oordez> take it no one knows the answer to my question
[23:46] <fiftyone> anyone know what the difference (when themeing ) is between gdm gtk 1.x and gtk 2.x?
[23:46] <oordez> seems like no one knows fiftyone
[23:48] <Schuenemann> prince_jammys,  what is the difference between choosing GNOME or that first option (Xclient something)? Perhaps it's not even worth looking so much for a solution if GNOME still logs in
[23:48] <prince_jammys> Schuenemann: first option of what
[23:48] <Schuenemann> prince_jammys,  session type
[23:48] <prince_jammys> Schuenemann: different desktop environments
[23:48] <zacktu> oordez: right click on System in your toolbar -- then click on Administration and see wether Network Tools is checked
[23:49] <Schuenemann> prince_jammys,  what changes? I don't remember anything different
[23:49] <prince_jammys> Schuenemann: nothing all that important. mostly cosmetic stuff, some keyboard shortcuts...
[23:49] <Schuenemann> "Execute script Xclient" is the name
[23:50] <prince_jammys> Schuenemann: it's important to some people, but you don't seem to care. try installing fluxbox in ubuntu and see if it works
[23:50] <prince_jammys> sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[23:50] <prince_jammys> you already have it in your other distro
[23:50] <_moro_bana_> whats inside usenet?
[23:51] <Schuenemann> prince_jammys,  why? just to test?
[23:51] <prince_jammys> Schuenemann: well, if you don't care about running gnome, and gnome is the one causing a problem ...
[23:51] <prince_jammys> Schuenemann: a lazy "fix" would be just not to run gnome, unless you feel like troubleshooting it
[23:51] <skeebo> That's not too helpful
[23:52] <prince_jammys> skeebo: ok, you take over.
[23:52] <Schuenemann> prince_jammys,  maybe I should install ubuntu again
[23:52] <prince_jammys> Schuenemann: i wouldn't
[23:53] <Schuenemann> prince_jammys,  it would reinstall ubuntu...
[23:53] <prince_jammys> Schuenemann: what would?
[23:54] <Schuenemann> prince_jammys,  sorry, I mean it would reinstall gnome
[23:54] <prince_jammys> Schuenemann: but why? there's probably nothing wrong with gnome. you just have to figure out how to get gnome to load properly across distros ... or use something else
[23:55] <gmap> how do I force kill an application?
[23:55] <prince_jammys> gmap: first try killing it normally
[23:55] <prince_jammys> pkill nameofapp
[23:55] <gmap> how can I see a list of running apps
[23:55] <gmap> i dont know the name of the app exactly
[23:56] <flosit> gmap: ps -ef
[23:56] <redvamp128> gmap:  or if the app is on the desktop-- add to panel the force-quit and click it then the window.
[23:56] <prince_jammys> i don't remember how gnome does it, but 'ps aux' will show you all processes
[23:56] <Schuenemann> prince_jammys,  well, I guess I'll stick with the session type I'm using. If things get worse (like when I install a desktop environment for debian), I'll give up this idea of sharing /home
[23:57] <gmap> redvamp128 how do I add to panel the force-quite?
[23:57] <gmap> quit*
[23:58] <redvamp128> gmap:  find a blank space on your taskbar-- right click choose add to panel -- then find force quit
[23:58] <prince_jammys> gmap: you should already have an entry in the menus to view all processes
[23:59] <gmap> ok thanks


[01:01] <ijohnson> cachio: around?
[01:01] <cachio> yes
[01:02] <ijohnson> hey, so I figured out why the refresh fundamentals test has been broken all day
[01:02] <ijohnson> it got broken by the 2.47 snapd in beta channel today
[01:02] <ijohnson> and to fix it we need a new kernel snap
[01:02] <ijohnson> so until that lands, I would like to disable the test
[01:02] <ijohnson> cachio: so could you quick approve https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9368?
[01:02] <mup> PR #9368: tests/nested/manual/refresh-revert-fundamentals: disable temporarily <Skip spread> <UC20> <⚠ Critical> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9368>
[01:02] <cachio> ijohnson, sure
[01:02] <ijohnson> thanks
[01:03] <cachio> +1
[01:03] <cachio> thanks for that
[01:04] <ijohnson> thanks, I'll merge it in a few minutes and open a PR undoing the change we can use to monitor until the test is passing again with a new kernel
[01:04] <ijohnson> have a good night!
[01:04] <cachio> ijohnson, nice, thanks
[01:04] <mup> PR snapd#9368 opened: tests/nested/manual/refresh-revert-fundamentals: disable temporarily <Skip spread> <UC20> <⚠ Critical> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9368>
[01:09] <mup> PR snapd#9369 opened: tests/nested/manual/refresh-revert-fundamentals: re-enable test <Run nested> <UC20> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9369>
[01:19] <mup> PR snapd#9368 closed: tests/nested/manual/refresh-revert-fundamentals: disable temporarily <Skip spread> <UC20> <⚠ Critical> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9368>
[01:21]  * cachio EOD
[05:20] <mup> PR snapd#9370 opened: usersession/userd: separate bus name ownership from defining interfaces <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9370>
[05:49] <zyga-x240> good morning
[05:58] <zyga-x240> hop hop...
[06:14] <mup> Bug #1896182 opened: Snapd is waking up my screen from sleep regularly <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1896182>
[06:17] <mborzecki> morning
[06:18] <zyga-x240> mborzecki: hi
[06:18] <zyga-x240> mborzecki: curious bug
[06:18] <mborzecki> zyga-x240: hey
[06:18] <mborzecki> hm, what bug?
[06:18] <zyga-x240> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1896182
[06:18] <mup> Bug #1896182: Snapd is waking up my screen from sleep regularly <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1896182>
[06:18] <mborzecki> zyga-x240: heh, i was reading https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1880261
[06:18] <mborzecki> same thing?
[06:19] <zyga-x240> haha
[06:19] <zyga-x240> ye
[06:19] <zyga-x240> any ideas?
[06:19] <zyga-x240> could that be snapd hotplug logic?
[06:33] <mborzecki> zyga-x240: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1880261#c3
[06:33] <mborzecki> hm long shot but maybe there's something else at play here
[06:33] <zyga-x240> I also replied to the launchpad bug
[06:34] <mborzecki> hahah
[06:34] <mborzecki> zyga-x240: noone can say we're not responding to bug reports now
[06:34] <zyga-x240> heh :)
[06:34] <zyga-x240> I pushed https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9345#pullrequestreview-491167950
[06:34] <mup> PR #9345: overlord: introduce the export manager, export snapd tools <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9345>
[06:34] <mborzecki> let my grab my wife's laptop and i'll try it there
[06:35] <zyga-x240> I'll squash history and remove some typos and stuff from this later today
[06:35] <mborzecki> zyga-x240: what's this functionality? sorry, i was uc20 only for the last few weeks
[06:40] <zyga-x240> mborzecki: it's a solution to a very old bug
[06:40] <zyga-x240> mborzecki: introduced pretty much since day one
[06:40] <zyga-x240> mborzecki: when snapd or core refreshes and we don't reboot
[06:41] <zyga-x240> mborzecki: certain tools, like snap-exec and others, as seen by snaps from their mount namespace, become stale
[06:41] <zyga-x240> mborzecki: this fixes that problem by changing how those tools are exposed to snaps
[06:41] <mborzecki> ah
[06:41] <zyga-x240> mborzecki: snapd allows snaps to export content in a specific way
[06:41] <zyga-x240> mborzecki: the content shows up in /var/lib/snapd/export/<snap>/<revision>/<set-name>
[06:42] <zyga-x240> mborzecki: there's also a new current symlink at /var/lib/snapd/export/<snap>/current -> <revision>
[06:42] <zyga-x240> there's a special case for core and host
[06:43] <zyga-x240> but in general snapd tools are all available from /usr/lib/snapd/<tool> as symlinks to the export three, through the new current symlink there
[06:43] <zyga-x240> and snapd can update the current symlink atomically
[06:43] <zyga-x240> this also supports using host tools
[06:43] <zyga-x240> so for the first time ever, SNAP_REEXEC=0 uses host's snap-exec and other tools now
[06:44] <zyga-x240> and since this is not related to mount changes, it does not require mount namespace re-configuration when core or snapd change
[06:44] <zyga-x240> there's a new export manager that manages putting content on disk
[06:44] <zyga-x240> and a callback to the snap manager to update the new current symlink when we also update the primary current symlink
[06:45] <zyga-x240> that's pretty much it
[06:45] <zyga-x240> it is relevant to core20 as snapd refreshes separately from boot base
[06:45] <zyga-x240> so we reboot less often
[06:45] <zyga-x240> and we see this bug more and more over time
[06:45] <mborzecki> mhm, maybe i should take a look at the pull requests then
[06:46] <zyga-x240> heh
[06:46] <zyga-x240> it's not ready for proper review but if you want to look at this, please do
[06:46] <zyga-x240> alternatively
[06:46] <zyga-x240> in udev theme
[06:46] <zyga-x240> please look at
[06:46] <zyga-x240> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7614
[06:46] <mup> PR #7614: cmd/snap-confine: implement snap-device-helper internally <Needs security review> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7614>
[06:46] <zyga-x240> you reviewed it
[06:46] <zyga-x240> but maybe we can land it somehow
[06:46] <zyga-x240> and there were changes after your review
[06:49] <zyga-x240> lucy is sleeping but I will go AFK when she wakes up
[06:49] <zyga-x240> I'm so tired today
[06:49] <zyga-x240> 1M -> 6AM
[06:49] <zyga-x240> ENOSLEEP
[06:58] <pstolowski> morning
[06:59] <zyga-x240> hello
[07:08] <mborzecki> pstolowski: mvo: morning
[07:09] <zyga-x240> mvo: hello
[07:09] <mvo> hey mborzecki, pstolowski and zyga-x240 ! good morning
[07:09] <zyga-x240> mvo: I will be semi absent in the morning, lucy is still sleeping next to me but she will wake up soon
[07:09] <zyga-x240> mvo: and I was up till midnight and need some rest / break from screens
[07:09] <mvo> zyga-x240: ok
[07:09] <zyga-x240> I pushed https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9345 but I need to squash, clean up some typos and amend the commit message with a better description
[07:09] <mup> PR #9345: overlord: introduce the export manager, export snapd tools <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9345>
[07:10] <zyga-x240> also doing a small self-review showed a few extra changes to make
[07:10] <zyga-x240> I wrote a very useful test that shows many things about how snap execution environment works
[07:10] <zyga-x240> and found a few surprises myself
[07:11] <zyga-x240> the test is here: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9345/files#diff-e96db38f8622850cdf91281e5344f762
[07:11] <mup> PR #9345: overlord: introduce the export manager, export snapd tools <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9345>
[07:13] <mvo> zyga-x240: oh, nice
[07:13] <mvo> zyga-x240: anything I can help you with? I mean that does not requires samuele reviews and could still land :)
[07:14] <zyga-x240> mvo: not yet, I will open it properly later today, then it needs reviews
[07:14] <zyga-x240> mvo: I mainly wanted to share what I have now and see what fails
[07:15] <zyga-x240> did anyone look at centos / opensuse failures?
[07:15] <mborzecki> someone pushed wip/export-manager-patch-set branch to snapd upstream?
[07:15] <zyga-x240> ah
[07:15] <mborzecki> zyga-x240: ?
[07:15] <zyga-x240> sorry
[07:16] <zyga-x240> yeah
[07:16] <zyga-x240> done
[07:16] <zyga-x240> sorry
[07:16] <mvo> zyga-x240: sure thing
[07:20]  * zyga-x240 goes to take a shower
[07:20] <zyga-x240> mborzecki: more selinux denials
[07:21] <zyga-x240> from export manager
[07:21] <zyga-x240> 2020-09-18T06:52:34.1787196Z type=AVC msg=audit(1600411883.733:7774): avc:  denied  { mount } for  pid=69477 comm="snap-confine" name="/" dev="tmpfs" ino=227354 scontext=system_u:system_r:snappy_confine_t:s0 tcontext=system_u:object_r:tmpfs_t:s0 tclass=filesystem permissive=1
[07:21] <zyga-x240> 2020-09-18T06:52:34.1789352Z type=AVC msg=audit(1600411883.733:7775): avc:  denied  { write } for  pid=69477 comm="snap-confine" name="/" dev="tmpfs" ino=227354 scontext=system_u:system_r:snappy_confine_t:s0 tcontext=system_u:object_r:tmpfs_t:s0 tclass=dir permissive=1
[07:21] <zyga-x240> 2020-09-18T06:52:34.1793007Z type=AVC msg=audit(1600411883.734:7776): avc:  denied  { add_name } for  pid=69477 comm="snap-confine" name="etelpmoc.sh" scontext=system_u:system_r:snappy_confine_t:s0 tcontext=system_u:object_r:tmpfs_t:s0 tclass=dir permissive=1
[07:21] <zyga-x240> 2020-09-18T06:52:34.1796343Z type=AVC msg=audit(1600411883.734:7777): avc:  denied  { create } for  pid=69477 comm="snap-confine" name="etelpmoc.sh" scontext=system_u:system_r:snappy_confine_t:s0 tcontext=system_u:object_r:tmpfs_t:s0 tclass=lnk_file permissive=1
[07:21] <zyga-x240> and more
[07:21] <zyga-x240> ehh
[07:21] <mborzecki> tmpfs_t ?
[07:21] <mborzecki> /var/lib/snapd/export is tmpfs?
[07:21] <zyga-x240> yes
[07:21] <zyga-x240> we
[07:21] <zyga-x240> no
[07:21] <zyga-x240> sorry
[07:22] <zyga-x240>  /usr/lib/snapd is a tmpfs
[07:22] <zyga-x240>  /var/lib/snapd/export is not
[07:22] <zyga-x240> also some real failures on 14.04
[07:22] <zyga-x240> but first shower
[07:29] <mborzecki> zyga-x240: when mounting /usr/libexec/snapd, it'd be nice to set some label for that, preferrably the same as the default one for that location
[08:26] <mup> PR snapd#9371 opened: o/snapstate: improve snapshot iteration <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9371>
[08:46] <mup> PR snapd#9372 opened: tests: make nested signing helpers less confusing <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9372>
[08:46] <mup> PR snapd#9373 opened: snap: add new `snap debug show-recovery-key` command <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9373>
[08:56] <mup> PR snapd#9367 closed: tests: misc nested changes <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9367>
[09:02] <mvo> pstolowski: I reviewed your PR about snapshots, nice job
[09:03] <mvo> pstolowski: each step to untangle this a bit is good :)
[09:04] <pstolowski> mvo: thanks, yeah ;)
[09:56] <ijohnson> morning folks
[10:00] <pstolowski> hey ijohnson !
[10:00] <ijohnson> o/ pstolowski
[10:07] <mborzecki> pstolowski: added some comments to #9371
[10:07] <mup> PR #9371: o/snapstate: improve snapshot iteration <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9371>
[10:08] <pstolowski> ty
[10:08] <mborzecki> anyoen looked at #9370?
[10:08] <mup> PR #9370: usersession/userd: separate bus name ownership from defining interfaces <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9370>
[10:15] <zyga> re
[10:15] <zyga> man I was sleepy
[10:37] <zyga> so why does livepatch test faik
[10:37] <zyga> *fail
[10:38] <zyga> hmm
[10:38] <zyga> it passed
[10:38]  * zyga looks at logs
[10:48] <zyga> ha, reproduced
[10:48] <zyga> now to lok
[10:48] <zyga> look
[10:48] <mborzecki> so bug or no bug?
[10:49] <zyga> yeah
[10:49] <zyga> figuring out why
[10:49] <zyga> content was not exported
[10:50] <zyga> ok
[10:50] <zyga> I understand
[10:50] <zyga> hmmm
[10:50] <zyga> so
[10:50] <zyga> re exec from old snapd
[10:50] <zyga> the init process of the manager is correct
[10:50] <zyga> but needs to handle exporting core/snapd, not just host
[10:50] <zyga> good thing we have those tests!
[11:10] <zyga> ok testing a fix now
[11:15] <zyga> aa
[11:15] <zyga> I switched to dvorak by accident
[11:15] <zyga> felt uber weird in vim
[11:15] <zyga> spread running, now to write an unit test
[11:15] <ijohnson> zyga: mind quickly reviewing https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9374 ?
[11:15] <mup> PR #9374: tests/main/lxd: disable cgroup combination for 16.04 that is failing a lot <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9374>
[11:17] <mup> PR snapd#9374 opened: tests/main/lxd: disable cgroup combination for 16.04 that is failing a lot <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9374>
[11:26]  * pstolowski lunch
[11:27] <zyga> and now spread passes
[11:27] <zyga> ijohnson: looking
[11:27] <ijohnson> thanks
[11:27] <zyga> ijohnson: thanks for that!
[11:33] <zyga> ijohnson: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9374#pullrequestreview-491384533
[11:33] <mup> PR #9374: tests/main/lxd: disable cgroup combination for 16.04 that is failing a lot <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9374>
[11:33] <ijohnson> ah fair enough that makes sense
[11:36] <ijohnson> zyga: fixed
[11:36] <zyga> looking
[11:37] <zyga> done
[11:40] <ijohnson> cool, yeah this was the combo I've seen fail just today 2 times, but perhaps another combo with xenial also doesn't work
[11:41] <zyga> we'll see
[11:46] <zyga> pawel has network issues
[11:46] <zyga> mborzecki: this keyboard is so cool, no mouse required
[11:46] <zyga> mborzecki: no arrow keys required
[11:47] <zyga> mborzecki: I think I properly got used to it now
[11:49] <ogra> hmm, all of a sudden the whole documentation links from MOTD are gone on a few of my core18 installs
[11:50] <ijohnson> there were motd changes to the core* snaps recently
[11:50] <ogra> yeah, feels a bit regressed
[11:50] <zyga> woot
[11:50] <zyga> more tests
[11:50] <ogra> ogra@acheron:~$ ssh <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:50] <ogra> Welcome to Ubuntu Core 18 (GNU/Linux 5.3.0-1033-raspi2 armv7l)
[11:50] <ogra> Last login: Fri Sep 18 11:12:05 2020 from <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:50] <ogra> ogra@localhost:~$
[11:50] <ogra> thats really sparse now
[11:51] <ogra> compared to how it should look like:
[11:51] <ogra> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/r9dcmvqnfG/
[11:51] <ijohnson> ogra: probably worth a bug to github.com/snapcore/core18
[11:51]  * zyga found snap.R
[11:52] <ogra> bah ... and bluez doesnt work at all on core16 (and i really dont want to move that specific pi to core1😎
[11:52] <ogra> grr ... emoji invasion !
[11:52] <ogra> s/core1😎/core18 /
[11:55] <zyga> ok one more unit test and everything is covered
[11:56] <zyga> I like this new manager
[11:56] <zyga> it has potential
[12:01] <zyga> perfect
[12:01] <zyga> ok
[12:02] <zyga> now to go through the todos left
[12:17] <zyga> meh
[12:17] <zyga> I broke my git config and this makes git push go to origin
[12:35] <ijohnson> it's a whole 1 degree celsius outside
[12:36] <ijohnson> SU this morning will be a chilly one
[12:37] <mup> PR snapd#9372 closed: tests: make nested signing helpers less confusing <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9372>
[12:42] <mvo> ijohnson: impressive! it's +24°C here
[12:43] <ijohnson> haha yeah it's supposed to be ~20°C tomorrow
[12:44] <ogra> did you move to antarcica ?
[12:44] <ijohnson> haha nope, still MN
[12:44] <ogra> crazy
[12:44] <ijohnson> just very cold September this year
[12:44] <mvo> ogra: I think they have +34°C or something
[12:44] <ogra> brrr
[12:45]  * ogra sits on the terrace (enjoying my vac) ... at +20°C ...
[12:45] <ijohnson> weather at the south pole today is -48 C
[12:46] <mvo> ijohnson: heh
[12:47] <mvo> ijohnson: I was refering to https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/146322/antarctica-melts-under-its-hottest-days-on-record but I'm apparently a couple of months late
[12:48] <ijohnson> yeah I think it's still winter in antartica, so a little bit colder than the summer but yes indeed that is crazy news
[12:48] <ogra> yeah, i read that one on german news sites a few months ago
[12:49] <mvo> current -48°C sounds more like I imagine antartica :)
[12:50] <ijohnson> as I googled that I was very confused why it was like midnight at the south pole right now, but actually you could use whatever TZ you want, but I guess they customarily use New Zealand time
[12:51] <ijohnson> TIL
[12:52] <mup> PR snapd#9375 opened: tests/nested/cloud-init-*: simplify tests and unify helpers/seed inputs <Run nested> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9375>
[12:52] <mvo> ijohnson: haha, good point
[12:54] <ogra> xnox, motd being broken in core18 ... do i file that to GH or under lp:snappy ?
[12:56] <ogra> (well ... s/core18/UC18/)
[12:56] <ijohnson> ogra: github pretty sure
[12:57] <ogra> kay
[13:02]  * ogra files https😕/github.com/snapcore/core18/issues/170
[13:02] <ogra> GRRR !!!
[13:02]  * ogra files github.com/snapcore/core18/issues/170
[13:05] <mup> Issue core18#170 opened: [Regression] all documentation links and explanatory text vanished from MOTD <Created by ogra1> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/issues/170>
[13:40]  * zyga breaks for errand
[13:41] <zyga> 1-2h
[15:03] <mup> PR snapd#9374 closed: tests/main/lxd: disable cgroup combination for 16.04 that is failing a lot <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9374>
[15:03] <mup> PR snapd#9376 opened: check-pr-title.py * : allow "*" in the first part of the title <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9376>
[15:04] <ijohnson> #9376 is really simple and would be nice to have :-)
[15:04] <mup> PR #9376: check-pr-title.py * : allow "*" in the first part of the title <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9376>
[15:12] <cachio> mvo, hey
[15:12] <cachio> the delay that I mentioned was caused by this
[15:12] <cachio> [   14.613707] systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in Create System Users being skipped.
[15:12] <cachio> error: cannot obtain system details: cannot communicate with server: Get http://localhost/v2/system-info: dial unix /run/snapd.socket: connect: connection refused
[15:12] <cachio> Press enter to configure.
[15:12] <cachio> this is the full log
[15:13] <cachio> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tn2sK4cDSC/
[15:13] <cachio> I created the image from edge
[15:13] <ijohnson> cachio: edge is broken
[15:13] <ijohnson> cachio: this is the issue I was talking about in SU, we need a new kernel snap
[15:13] <cachio> ijohnson, I should try with beta?
[15:13] <ijohnson> cachio: no beta is broken too
[15:13] <cachio> hehehe
[15:13] <ijohnson> cachio: the only thing to do is to rebuild the kernel snap
[15:13] <ijohnson> (or wait for that to be done and published)
[15:14] <cachio> ijohnson, so, I could make the focal image work with this old kernel
[15:14] <ijohnson> cachio: yeah that was great news
[15:14] <cachio> works with kvm
[15:14] <cachio> yes
[15:14] <ijohnson> cachio: I mean really weird
[15:14] <ijohnson> but still great that you got it working
[15:14] <ijohnson> how difficult is it to create and update that image in gce ?
[15:14] <cachio> I tried with another kernel, an older one and didn't work
[15:15] <cachio> ijohnson, I have an image ready
[15:15] <ijohnson> cachio: great
[15:15] <cachio> ijohnson, test-virt-1
[15:15] <ijohnson> cachio: might also be worth asking the server team if they expect any issues with a xenial kernel on focal
[15:15] <cachio> this is the name
[15:15] <ijohnson> cachio: nice
[15:16] <cachio> it uses the last qemu and ovmf for focal
[15:16] <ijohnson> right
[15:16] <mup> PR snapcraft#3291 opened: build providers: make mount_project() interface private <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3291>
[15:16] <cachio> I¿ll create a new pr to enable kvm and test nested
[15:16] <ijohnson> nice, let me know when it's up and I'll review it
[15:17] <cachio> ijohnson, sure, I'll make it after lunch
[15:17] <ijohnson> +1
[15:27]  * cachio lunch
[15:32] <mvo> cachio: thanks, in meetings. but thanks for letting me know
[15:46] <zyga> re
[15:46] <zyga> back from store
[15:47]  * zyga reviews failures on 9345
[15:51] <zyga> aha
[15:51] <zyga> I guess SNAP_REEXEC=0 is not supported on core :D
[15:51]  * zyga adjusts
[15:55] <zyga> ok now to dive into selinux permissions
[15:58] <mup> PR snapd#9377 opened: [RFC] snap-repair: minimal uc20 support <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9377>
[16:12] <zyga> mmm
[16:12] <zyga> my wife just brought me some coffee
[16:28] <mup> PR snapd#9378 opened: tests/nested/manual: add uc20 grade signed cloud-init test <Run nested> <Test Robustness> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9378>
[17:58] <mup> PR snapd#9379 opened: [RFC] cmd/s-b/initramfs-mounts: use ConfigureTargetSystem for install, recover modes <Bug> <Needs Samuele review> <Run nested> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9379>
[18:12]  * ijohnson EODs a bit early today, still around for random fires if needed
[18:34] <cachio> ijohnson, sorry for the delay
[18:34] <cachio> #9380
[18:34] <mup> PR #9380: tests: update to support nested kvm without reboots on UC20 <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9380>
[18:34] <cachio> you can check that on Monday
[18:35] <cachio> no hurry
[18:35] <cachio> cmatsuoka, you too #9380
[18:35] <zyga-mbp> re
[18:35]  * cmatsuoka verifies...
[18:35] <zyga-mbp> can I review anything specific to help?
[18:35] <cachio> zyga-mbp, also for you if you have time #9380
[18:35] <mup> PR #9380: tests: update to support nested kvm without reboots on UC20 <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9380>
[18:35] <zyga-mbp> on it
[18:37] <cmatsuoka> cachio: is the focal-with-old-kernel image already in gce?
[18:37] <zyga-mbp> cachio done
[18:38] <mup> PR snapd#9380 opened: tests: update to support nested kvm without reboots on UC20 <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9380>
[18:42] <cachio> cmatsuoka, yes
[18:42] <zyga-mbp> anything else I can review?
[18:42] <cachio> zyga-mbp, thanks!!
[18:43] <cachio> cmatsuoka, I also updated spread images project and tested the new images
[18:43] <cmatsuoka> cachio: ah nice thanks!
[18:44] <cachio> cmatsuoka, the problem now is that edge build is broken
[18:44] <cachio> because of the kernel
[18:44] <cmatsuoka> ah yes, that's true
[18:44] <zyga-mbp> ohhh
[18:44] <cachio> cmatsuoka, so I tested the image works with -smp 2
[18:44] <zyga-mbp> vmware fusion supports virtual TPM
[18:45] <zyga-mbp> cmatsuoka how can I build up-to-date core20 image for amd64?
[18:45] <cachio> you will see that the image boot fails
[18:45] <cachio> bet you can login
[18:45] <zyga-mbp> one that would be testable with vTPM
[18:45] <cachio> to the nested vm
[18:45] <cachio> but snap command fails
[18:45] <cachio> zyga-mbp, it is working with vtpm
[18:45] <zyga-mbp> yeah, I just never played with that befor
[18:45] <zyga-mbp> *before
[18:45] <zyga-mbp> and since it's Friday I might as well try
[18:46] <cachio> nice
[18:46]  * cachio quick break


[17:49] <Unit193> paultag: Hey, got time for a simple review+upload?
[17:53] <paultag> Unit193: my vacation notice to debian-private has been bounced to you :)
[17:53] <Unit193> Ah, alright.  Thanks.
[17:55] <paultag> sure thing
[17:56] <Unit193> Good luck too.
[17:56] <paultag> thanks man
[20:34] <belkinsa> I lost the game, paultag!
[20:34] <belkinsa> :D
[20:35] <Unit193> Don't forget canthus13.
[20:54] <paultag> D:
[21:12] <belkinsa> Does canthus13 even say anything anymore? No offence.
[21:29]  * skellat ponders the "golf clap"
[21:30] <belkinsa> o/ skellat.  I was wondering if we are having any luck in re-booting this team from other members but I'm guessing that we are failing still.
[21:31] <skellat> Yep
[21:32] <belkinsa> What a shame.  I feel like posting Ubuntu signs around the Unvi of Cincinnati's campus but I feel like that will not help anything.
[21:32] <skellat> It may
[21:32] <skellat> I may need to fire up Scribus and do some propaganda
[21:33] <skellat> $AGENCY still has me out in the cold
[21:34] <skellat> And rather than think about things like this linked case I'm sure making up some propaganda would be worthwhile: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/389205/first-ever-us-ebola-case-diagnosed-dallas-brendan-bordelon
[21:34] <jenni> [ First-Ever U.S. Ebola Case Diagnosed in Dallas | National Review Online ] - https://j.mp/1teBUx1
[21:37]  * skellat ponders why his phone just went off with BREAKING NEWS alert #4 about that biomedical situation
[21:39] <skellat> We're not facing a sunset either: http://1drv.ms/YCyMTm
[21:39] <jenni> [ Microsoft OneDrive - Access files anywhere. Create docs with free Office Online. ] - ALREADY_A_BITLY_LINK
[21:40] <skellat> Well, jenni was not clear there.  That was some recent photography of a sunset at Sunset Park in the Village of North Kingsville as well as shots towards Port Stanley over the horizon across the lake in southwest Ontario
[22:22] <canthus13> I rarely talk.  Usually when I look in here there's nothing but connect/disconnect messages and such.
[22:23] <Unit193> Of course.
[22:24] <canthus13> So.  Yeah. Why sit here whistling in the dark when I've got another very active channel to op?
[22:24] <canthus13> I mean, if I'm needed, I'll gladly pop in.
[22:24] <belkinsa> canthus13, good point, it's dead here.
[22:25] <canthus13> Also, I won't be making it to OLF.  My ex-wife is going, and I'll have the kids.
[22:25] <Unit193> Oh, didn't know that happened.
[22:26] <canthus13> Eh. All good.
[22:26] <canthus13> Also... liberia is 'ravaged' by the virus? There are less than 3500 cases there.
[22:40] <dzho> > 9/11 and look how we lost our s&|% about that
[23:34] <skellat> Would we want this to play with?  See: http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/encrypted-mailing-list-on-debian-and-ubuntu/
[23:34] <jenni> [ Encrypted mailing list on Debian and Ubuntu ] - https://j.mp/1sMjQQz


[00:26] <drdrix> hello
[00:27] <drdrix> lol
[00:27] <drdrix> oops
[00:28] <drdrix> hello
[00:28] <drdrix> anyone there
[00:28] <drdrix> checking status
 yup
[00:28] <drdrix> ty
 hi
[00:28] <drdrix> hows it goin
 very good-it helps that it's Friday :)
 (Voice, 1s)https://irc-attachments.kde.org/XNqpZ4Am/file_29208.oga
[00:40] <drdrix> true true.
[00:40] <drdrix> im so bored. i miss the casino
 Maybe someone has asked this already but... … Has anyone seen the upgrade notification show up in Kubuntu 19.10? A week has passed since 20.04 release and I still don't see it.
 I have this radeon card installed on my pc so I don't need the old nvidia drivers previously installed. Do I do just a simple "sudo apt purge nvidia* " to clean the system?
[01:03] <valorie> @jorgetech_spacebiker don't know, but sudo do-release-upgrade will upgrade you
[01:06] <valorie> @franzpow I would do that via systemsettings or ubuntu-driver
[01:06] <valorie> so that you don't end up with no driver
[01:07] <valorie>  errr, not systemsettings
[01:07] <valorie> !ubuntu-driver
[01:07] <valorie> !ubuntu-drivers
[01:08] <valorie> !info ubuntu-driver-manager
[01:08] <valorie> pff
[01:08] <valorie> !ubuntu-driver-manager
[01:08] <valorie> grrr
[01:09] <valorie> https://itsfoss.com/install-additional-drivers-ubuntu/
 Mmm but I am running an amd radeon gpu right
 How could I end with no drivers?
 @valorie, @valorie I know, I just want to confirm if that still shows up graphically as the rest of Ubuntu spins. It used to show up on older versions
[01:11] <valorie> it should
[01:11] <valorie> but I think the switch was just flipped
 @Franz Pow If you have the AMD one installed, removing the nvidia packages shouldn't do any harm
 Yes. So was the comand right?
 I think so, just double chech what if uninstalls but the dependencies should be sane
 It should remove the nvidia-driver-440
 That I installed
[01:13] <valorie> I'm no expert here so I'll stay quiet
 If you are not an expert, I am an useless linux noob :P
[01:22] <valorie> ha
[01:23] <valorie> I know what I know, and otherwise try to either be helpful or silent
 @Franzpow, sudo apt purge nvidia*  is safe to run even if your only card is NVidia as the de-install process would enable Nouveau as the default driver (only exception is bleeding edge cards where firmware may not allow it boot with Nouveau).
 Thanks a lor @DarinMiller
[03:13] <valorie> oh thank you, @DarinMiller I'll remember that
[08:07] <IrcsomeBot1> avinash512 was added by: avinash512
 Morning all.  Installed 20.04 today (previously was using 18.04). I see multiple sound output even though I have nothing connected to my laptop
 On 18.04, it was showing me only one output without anything connected
 any idea why?
 Hi i don't know if I am wrong but it seems you can balance the oudio output coming from.the HDMI port and the speakers
 So you have two outputs, not just the audio from the speakers
 If you connect the pc with an HDMI cable you could also hear the audio of your pc in the speakers of the tv or the monitor it is being connected so you can set that audio that's named hdmi audio in the panel
 I don't know if you can hide that in the panel
 Thank you @Franzpow . So it is more like a feature?
[09:02] <alireza> when I double click the windows title bar, it does not maxmied. in windows bhvaior, It s enable to maxmize for double click. What is the problem?
 @avinash512, Kinda of I think
 It's surely not a bug
 @Franzpow, Alright. Thank you
 You're Welcome
[09:07] <alireza> Actually i want , when I click on the window title bar, change the screen to full screen or vice versa. How should i config it in kde?
[09:16] <karel_> Hi guys, I'm having some trouble with my system. I'm running Kubuntu 20.04 and I've had 2 drives now boot read-only, how can I troubleshoot this?
[09:44] <IrcsomeBot1> metab0y was added by: metab0y
 Hey
 I'm getting this after doing am apt upgrade today
 (Photo, 1280x590) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/fYR8wHhU/file_29216.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/WFYfEJzu/file_29217.jpg
 Can someone help me fix this?
[09:48] <Zhinux> Hi Everyon, Anyone knows if it is safe to "do-release-upgrade" from kubuntu 19.10 to 20.04
[09:48] <Zhinux> ?
[09:54] <diogenes_> metab0y, nice mosaic :)
 @diogenes_, :') can't deny that
 A little help will be appreciated
[10:01] <diogenes_> metab0y, what exactly was updated?
 It was a big update like 350mb
 And before you ask, yes amd drivers has an update iirc
[10:08] <diogenes_> was it a distro upgrade? like 19.10 > 20.04?
 No
 I was already use kubuntu 20.04
 Using*
 You can edit messages :)
 @metab0y No need to mess up with multiple lines
 It gets reflected in irc?
[10:09] <diogenes_> then it might be a kernel update, try a different kernel.
 Okay will try, also one thing whenever I log in from the lockscreen or if I change from tty to desktop session it gets better for a split second
 @metab0y, Nope, I don't think so..
 @Franzpow, Me neither that's why didn't edit
 Sure. Sometimes I edit the message just for telegram people
 Ah
[10:30] <archaeopter> Hello! Is there such a thing as gtile for kde?
[10:31] <archaeopter> Like a tiling widget with a couple of layouts and a grid?
 Kwin scripts has a few for tiling
 Couple of options: https://github.com/lingtjien/Grid-Tiling-Kwin and  https://store.kde.org/p/1309653/
[10:36] <archaeopter> Hm, found one, but i kinda just want a hotkey combination leading into a grid and layout choice, not so much keyboard resize and redact, any particular recommendation, since there are numerous?
[10:39] <archaeopter> Kinda like gtile lmao
 I rarely go beyond quarter and half tile as I have multiple hidpi displays, so the built in quick tile and pack options are sufficient for my purpose.
[10:40] <archaeopter> If there isnt one mb ill just install sway and actually learn all the keyboard fuzz
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Hiuas all
[10:52] <BluesKaj> oops Hiyas all
 @metab0y, I'm still unable to fix this :(
 Okay so I was lucky and had awesome wm installed and as a last resort I logged into that
 And surprisingly it works
 Turns out plasma is broken
 So how do I reinstall plasma shell
[13:29] <jukebohi> The KDE Wallet starting to ask for a password that was never set .... there is the workaround that you destroy it and create a new one with a blank password. The smart thing would be to instruct the user to set a blank password before the system starts asking "what's the password you've never set?" https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=225&t=160488
[13:29] <jukebohi> .. in case someone cares
[14:15] <R13ose> I upgrade to 20.04 in the command line before it appeared here: https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release am I on the developer version now?
[14:25] <oerheks> cat /etc/issue  would tell, or hostnamectrl status
 jukebohi: yesterday I disabled it and I lost my wifi password so now everytime I try to connect to the wifi it asks for the password
 Is there a way to store the wifi password without enabling kdewallet?
 Without writing it down everytime?
[14:26] <oerheks> no, that is where kwallet is for
[14:26] <jukebohi> I'm sure there is
[14:27] <jukebohi> like BluesKaj likes to boast he does not use KDE Wallet. I fixed the situation by deleting the wallet and creating a wallet with a password set to empty string. This allows it to open automatically
[14:27] <jukebohi> I wish there would be instructions on the distro, to set the password to an empty string to stop the lockout from happening to more and more unsuspecting Linux fans
 Mmm should try that
 It was not asking anymore in i3wm, now it came back to ask for the password everytime I bootup kubuntu
 Since I upgraded yesterday to 20.04
[14:34] <BluesKaj> jukebohi, it's not boasting, I just don't see the need for kdewallet on my setup, that's all
[14:37] <jukebohi> ok fine. but every normal person gets shipped a Kubuntu with the KDE Wallet enabled and the looming lockout appearing out of thin air really does a disservice to the reputation of the distro
[14:37] <BluesKaj> not everyone uses chrome either, normal or otherwise
[14:37] <R13ose> oerheks: what should the output be if on developer version?
[14:39] <oerheks> R13ose,  the version that is not out, 20.10 groovy gorillabeast
[14:39] <oerheks> you could find that out simply
[14:40] <oerheks> all i know for now, the -d option gives 20.04
[14:40] <oerheks> !ltsupgrade
[14:40] <oerheks> but i would wait
[14:40] <R13ose> For?
[14:41] <R13ose> When I do cat /etc/issue it says Ubuntu 20.04 LTS \n \l
[14:41] <oerheks> there you go
[14:43] <R13ose> Even if I updated early, I am fine?
[14:44] <oerheks> yes, you are on the final release, with all the early bugs still in it, see the releasenotes
[14:47] <R13ose> When you said wait, what should I have waited for?
[14:47] <oerheks> for the upgrade path to be released
[14:47] <R13ose> Oh
[14:48] <oerheks> it is LTS, not a minor version
[14:50] <R13ose> Ok
[15:11] <BluesKaj> @Franzpow, I have my laptop wifi configured with a pw in wificonfigure (right click on wifi icon in the system tray) in wifi security, this is without kdewallet enabled in system settings.
[15:26] <IrcsomeBot1> whyuwic was added by: whyuwic
 Hey how do I reinstall kde (desktop environment) completely?
 BluesKaj: you won't believe me but I tried that yesterday and that didn't work
 I manually inserted the password and it did not save it
 @metab0y, Guys I fixed it
 In compositor settings changed rendering back-end to xrender
 It even fixed my old problem of never waking up from sleep
 Is there a "better" wireless driver than the out of the box one?
[18:27] <LevZagatov> Excuse me, but how to register in kmail? I tried Profile but it hasn't a password inputer (sorry about my English).
[18:36] <masonbee-M> I wrote a guide once if that is any help....https://masonbee.nz/posteo-setup-for-kmail-contacts-and-calendar/
[18:37] <masonbee-M> It's posteo but should work for other imap mail accounts.
[19:58] <IrcsomeBot1> Cratosk was added by: Cratosk
[20:05] <asn_> names
[20:06] <asn_> whoops
[21:03] <IrcsomeBot1> Matt Vogeler was added by: Matt Vogeler
[21:07] <IrcsomeBot1> <Matt Vogeler> Anyone having problems with 20.04 on a laptop with a docking station when it comes to displays.  I have to manually go into Display Config to add external monitors or turn them off depending on if I am using the docking station or not.  I just did a search and did not see a reported bug.
[21:31] <zhinux> Hello all, I'm on kubuntu 19.10 with kde plasma 5.18.3 - keep getting this stuck notification from org.kde.kded5 "getting updates" "getting distribution upgrade information"
[21:31] <zhinux> Also "refreshing package cache"
[21:31] <zhinux> maybe 10+ notifs
[21:31] <zhinux> and it won't stop
[21:32] <zhinux> so I just hide the windows
[21:32] <zhinux> but I wonder if it's not a more severe bug
[21:32] <zhinux> Thanks in advance if you have any clue in what may cause that


[00:10] <c_smith> true.
[01:10] <bkerensa> I think Thai for dinner is in order
[01:22] <tgm4883> For anyone interested, it seems PSU is looking for a system admin
[03:06] <bkerensa> tgm4883: how much do they pay I might know someone
[13:24] <tgm4883> bkerensa, I believe it started at 55k
[15:18] <gpled> Hello
[15:19] <tgm4883> hi
[15:20] <gpled> anyone else having trouble printing pdf's after 12.04 upgrade?
[15:31] <bkerensa> =o
[17:13] <bkerensa> nathwill: sup
[17:14] <nathwill> hey bkerensa. not much, back at my first day of work after the vacation
[17:15] <bkerensa> nathwill: cool.... Quantal is running :)
[17:15] <nathwill> bkerensa: sweet
[17:27] <nathwill> bkerensa: any noteable changes?
[17:27] <bkerensa> none yet :P
[17:38] <bkerensa> nathwill: you going to up?
[17:38] <nathwill> up?
[17:38] <bkerensa> grade
[17:38] <nathwill> ah
[17:38] <nathwill> possibly
[17:38] <nathwill> i'll see how masochistic i'm feeling tonite
[17:56] <bkerensa> yay I did my first review and merge ;p
[19:37] <tgm4883> bkerensa, looks like PSU is hiring soonish
[19:38] <bkerensa> nathwill: ^
[19:39] <nathwill> oooh
[19:39] <nathwill> hrm
[19:39] <nathwill> i may need to finish updating my resume soon then
[19:46] <bkerensa> nathwill: I figured u might be interested
[19:46] <bkerensa> :D
[19:46] <nathwill> bkerensa, yeah... you see allthingsd today...?
[19:46] <bkerensa> nathwill: nope


[00:48] <mwhudson> does anyone remember how to simulate multipath in a vm?
[00:50] <sarnold> my first guess is iscsi on the host, perhaps with two IP addresses?
[00:54] <mwhudson> hmm i think you can do it more simply than that
[00:55] <sarnold> that'd be nice :) it didn't sound fun when I typed it
[09:08] <Laney> tdaitx: hmm, is this bug about alternate dependencies?
[09:09] <Laney> like, if we installed the openjdk-N instead of the default one, would that be a sensible thing?
[16:04] <tdaitx> Laney: well, yeah, that feel like a bug that should be fixed, but apart from that for openjdk we really only want to trigger for the openjdk uploads set in default-jdk/-jre
[16:06] <Laney> because... you don't care if they break stuff or?
[18:01] <doko> Laney: how would you know if they break stuff? you're not testing with it
[18:04] <Laney> doko: Question previously was about installing that one
[18:05] <doko> that's a bogus question, depending on how you configure via update-java-alternatives
[18:22] <Laney> I feel like there should be a way to get the triggering one and only the triggering one installed and used and this would be better if we can manage to figure out how to do it
[22:12] <smoser> i'm clearly doing something wrong.  calling debootstrap like this.
[22:12] <smoser> DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR=$PWD ./debootstrap --verbose --verbose --keyring=/tmp/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg --arch=amd64 --extra-suites="focal-updates" "--components=main,universe" focal /tmp/root
[22:13] <smoser> and it dies with "Retrying failed download of http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz"
[22:13] <smoser> but if i drop the '--extra-suites" it works fine.
[22:13] <smoser> so i'm guessing I'm doing that wrong.
[22:13] <smoser> but how am I supposed to accomplish that?
[22:17] <sarnold> smoser: that may require a different tool, eg https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/mmdebstrap/  "security and updates mirror included for Debian stable chroots"
[22:21] <smoser> sarnold: well i'd never heard of that thing.
[22:21] <smoser> that is a heck of a  sales pitch though
[22:21] <smoser> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | mmdebstrap > unstable-chroot.tar
[22:25] <smoser> but surely there is a way to do that, why else would it have those options?
[22:25] <sarnold> I wondered the same thing, I thought perhaps it's more intended for an "overlay" kind of thing with unrelated packages .. that's just wild guessing, though
[22:26] <sarnold> I see mmdebstrap mentioned in the various debian channels every week or two, usually with a "wow that's a lot faster" :)


[18:49] <Bert_2> Hi, do you guys know there's some spamming going on on launchpad and what do I do when someone reopens a question by spamming?
[22:10] <Bert_2> Hi, do you guys know there's some spamming going on on launchpad and what do I do when someone reopens a question by spamming?


[19:55] <adiroiban> mdke: hi
[21:10] <mdke> adiroiban: hi
[21:11] <adiroiban> for hardy I have changed the ubuntu-doc folder organization to match the one from intrepid
[21:12] <adiroiban> and in this way I can use the same script for doing all the work
[21:13] <mdke> adiroiban: that's not something we can use I'm afraid - the changes to the directory structure are too invasive to upload to hardy
[21:13] <mdke> adiroiban: but, most tranlators are not focusing on hardy now anyy
[21:13] <mdke> s/anyy/anyway
[21:14] <adiroiban> ok
[21:15] <mdke> adiroiban: in your last email you asked if I can request the translations for intrepid, but I sent those to you already, you got them, right?
[21:15] <adiroiban> but the hardy POT files were not changed, so I can use my local folders to generate the report and other stuff
[21:15] <adiroiban> I got a set
[21:15] <adiroiban> but I don't know if they were for hardy or intrepid
[21:16] <mdke> I said in the covering email which release was applicable, hardy or intrepid
[21:16] <mdke> you should have got them both
[21:16] <adiroiban> Ah. my bad
[21:17] <adiroiban> I got both of them
[21:17] <mdke> great
[21:17] <adiroiban> Thanks!
[21:17] <adiroiban> do you think we need to create jaunty reports?
[21:18] <mdke> I've uploaded the intrepid translations to our ubuntu-intrepid branch
[21:18] <mdke> jaunty reports would be useful, but not yet - we haven't yet uploaded the pot files for jaunty
[21:18] <adiroiban> ok.
[21:19] <adiroiban> I will update the stats page using the new Intrepid po files
[21:20] <adiroiban> brb... about 15 minutes
[21:21] <Rocket2DMn> hey mdke
[21:21] <Rocket2DMn> fyi i was accepted for membership, thank you again for your testimonial!
[21:23] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: hiya. Yes, I saw that, good job!
[21:23] <Rocket2DMn> :)
[21:23] <Rocket2DMn> i also have a question for you:
[21:23] <Rocket2DMn> why can't we set importance on bugs filed against Ubuntu Documentation?
[21:35] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: are you in the ubuntu-core-docs team?
[21:35] <mdke> ubuntu-core-doc, sorry
[21:38] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: looks like you're not; ubuntu-core-doc is the bug supervisor for the ubuntu-doc project so that's the team that can set importance for bugs
[21:46] <Rocket2DMn> no, im not in that
[21:47] <Rocket2DMn> i didnt notice that team was set as the maintainer
[21:48] <adiroiban>  back
[21:52] <Rocket2DMn> well, i have no intention of being a committer, i'm not familiar with bzr or the process
[21:56] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: it's really easy to learn if you're up for working on some of the system documents - we always need new contributors :)
[21:56] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: obviously, we can help you as you learn
[21:58] <Rocket2DMn> if you or somebody else wants to teach me, then i'm willing to learn
[21:58] <mdke> sure, you'll always find help. The only skill you need is to be keen to contribute
[21:58] <Rocket2DMn> i havent used bazaar at all, and dont actually know anything about the system documents and ubuntu-docs package
[21:58] <mdke> and having seen your work so far, I know you have that skill
[21:58] <Rocket2DMn> ive done most of my work on the wiki
[21:59] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: have a read of the pages under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation and see if things start to make sense or if you have other questions
[22:00] <Rocket2DMn> alright, i'll have a look at that shortly, looks like there is a lot of info there
[22:00] <mdke> yeah
[22:01] <Rocket2DMn> oh, and did you get my message a week or two ago about your forums howto
[22:01] <Rocket2DMn> its a little outdated
[22:02] <Rocket2DMn> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81999
[22:04] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: yeah, we should definitely update that, I'll put it on my mental todo list
[22:04] <mdke> thanks
[22:14] <adiroiban> mdke: the intrepid xml and html generation and status script is running and in a couple of hour we should have a result. you only need to put the achive form Launchpad in the docs root folder and the script will do the job :)
[22:19] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, i had a look through those pages, they seem straightforward enough.  I'll setup my local copy/branch later tonight when i'm back in Ubuntu.
[22:23] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: great
[22:23] <mdke> adiroiban: great as well :)
[22:24] <adiroiban> :)
[22:57] <adiroiban> mdke: what do you say about the idea of having the Glossary as a docbook?
[23:04] <mdke> adiroiban: the question is whether it would be useful for inclusion in the system documentation? I'm not sure really
[23:05] <mdke> I'm not sure whether people would use it, or how much work would be required to make it high quality
[23:06] <adiroiban> now we have the "windows" glossary
[23:06] <adiroiban> I find it useful for new computer users
[23:06] <mdke> that's part of the "Switching from Windows" document, yes
[23:11] <mdke> maybe we could adapt the wiki glossary page to be used in the system documentation. Quite a few irrelevant items would be removed, but reading through it, it doesn't look to be in bad shape
[23:17] <adiroiban> I found it more useful in the translated form
[23:17] <adiroiban> as a user can see a concept (maybe translated)
[23:17] <adiroiban> and search to see what's that
[23:17] <adiroiban> for example if I want to search yelp for "sesiune" (the romanian translation for session) , it will return 0 results
[23:17] <adiroiban> if I will try "session" (but I don't know if a user will do that) , yelp returns to many results, from different applications
[23:17] <adiroiban> but the term is not described in any result
[23:18] <mdke> that's strange
[23:18] <mdke> yelp should find translated words as well, I wonder why sesiune doesn't have any results
[23:20] <adiroiban> "session" is popular in gnome-user-docs
[23:20] <adiroiban> but gnome-user-docs is not yet fully translated
[23:20] <mdke> I see
[23:20] <mdke> "session" doesn't appear in the Glossary on the help wiki though...
[23:21] <mdke> maybe we could add items from other glossaries
[23:21] <adiroiban> I like the idea of having a wiki as it is easy to edit
[23:22] <adiroiban> but that glossary is not included in yelp
[23:22] <adiroiban> maybe create a script to parse the wiki and create a yelp document
[23:22] <adiroiban> looking after other glossaries is  another step
[23:23] <adiroiban> there is an Gnome one... but it was not updated
[23:23] <adiroiban> it would be great to have one glossary for all open source projects
[23:23] <mdke> there are no good tools in existence for converting wiki markup to docbook, otherwise we'd have our whole project in a wiki
[23:23] <adiroiban> but I don't know if this is feasible
[23:24] <mdke> there are some, but they all have quite significant defects
[23:26] <mdke> so the best we can do is to export the wiki page into xml using one of the existing tools, tidy it up, and continue to maintain it in xml
[23:26] <adiroiban> I would like to have a translatable glossary for 2 reasons. 1. Help users, 2. Help translators
[23:27] <mdke> right, but a glossary for Rosetta would be very difficult to a glossary for Ubuntu documentation
[23:28] <adiroiban> true... maybe have the translators glossary and from a subset of those term to create the documentation glossary
[23:28] <adiroiban> I could imagine that for translators, this glossary will look more like a terminology
[23:29] <mdke> hmm
[23:31] <adiroiban> but a least for Ubuntu, from the user point of view, I can imagine a common glossary for Ubuntu and GNOME
[23:31] <mdke> right, that's what I meant by adding items from other glossaries
[23:32] <adiroiban> apart from GNOME, what other glosarries were you thinking of?
[23:32] <mdke> any others that exist, I don't know
[23:33] <adiroiban> ok
[23:33] <adiroiban> I will start a discussion on the mailinglist to see what other glossaries we could use
[23:34] <adiroiban> and what people say about it... maybe the glossary will not be of to much help in ubuntu-docs
[23:34] <mdke> yes. You can carry on the existing thread
[23:39]  * mdke goes to bed, night all
[23:39] <adiroiban> good night
[23:39] <adiroiban> the script is still translating xml files
[23:39] <adiroiban> :)


[13:45] <bencrisford> finally the weekend.. :)
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[00:06] <charlie-tca> It's gonna be an easy one. 5 bugs turns out to be two
[00:07] <micahg> heh
[00:07] <charlie-tca> hmm, probably should have just kept quiet. wrong spirit again
[00:08] <penguin42> always the best way round though; 2 turning into 5 is much worse
[00:08] <charlie-tca> true
[00:46] <paul__> has anyone noticed that suspend stopped working after a recent software update?
[00:48] <paul__> can anyone give any advice on this issue?
[00:56] <paul__> anyone here?
[00:57] <penguin42> paul__: Is this on lucid?
[00:58] <paul__> yes
[00:58] <penguin42> have you any idea which update broke it?
[00:59] <paul__> no, i don't. it was something recent, though. is there any way that i can find that out?
[00:59] <penguin42>  /var/log/dpkg.log has a list of all package installs/updates
[01:01] <paul__> i am thinking something from around 13 August.
[01:02] <penguin42> paul__: Personally I've only got one machine installing Lucid and it was installed in the last few days and suspend still seems OK; however that doesn't help you
[01:03] <paul__> do you think that may have been a kernel update?
[01:04] <paul__> maybe a fresh install is in order then
[01:06] <penguin42> if it was a kernel upgrade it sohuld have left the previous one on the grub menu and you should try that
[01:07] <paul__> okay... i will give it a go... thanks for the help, penguin
[01:07] <penguin42> no problem
[01:12] <paul__> @penguin42 i booted into the older version of the kernel and suspend is working just fine
[01:12] <penguin42> paul_: OK, well that's pretty clear cut
[01:12] <penguin42> paul_: Boot back into the failing one and then report the bug using ubuntu-bug
[01:13] <penguin42> do it from the failing one because it will collect a load of logs and please make it clear it's a regression in Lucid
[01:13] <paul__> okay... i will do that... thanks again for the assistance
[01:15] <penguin42> no prob
[01:15] <paul__> where are you in the UK?
[01:16] <penguin42> Manchester
[01:16] <penguin42> which kernel version is it that breaks for you?
[01:17] <paul__> 2.6.32-24-generic
[01:18] <penguin42> what's the hardware and how exactly does it fail?
[01:19] <paul__> compaq f730us laptop... i shut the lid and it suspends normally, but upon resume it looks to start up but the screen will not turn on and then it power cycles over and over again
[01:20] <paul__> when i did a shut down, it did the same thing
[01:21] <penguin42> it's one for the guys who know the suspend code and what changed in the kernel'; 2.6.32-24 is suspend/resuming my eeepc (just tried it)
[01:22] <paul__> okay... then it is something with my specific hardware.
[01:22] <paul__> how can i use ubuntu-bug with no specific package name?
[01:22] <paul__> i am new to bug reporting
[01:24] <penguin42> I think if you don't give it a name it will give you a choice of symptoms; however since you know it's the kernel you could do ubuntu-bug linux
[01:24] <paul__> okay... i will try that
[01:25] <paul__> thanks, again
[04:29] <alucardni> Hello everybody, how should I classify a need-packaging bug report that include a repo/PPA for application needing packaging???
[04:29] <alucardni> Example: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/618892
[04:29] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 618892 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] paramsearch (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[04:31] <micahg> alucardni: huh?
[04:32] <micahg> alucardni: it's fine, we use source pacakges
[04:32] <alucardni> micahg: the bug report says need-packaging, but the package already exists in a repository external to Ubuntu/Debian
[04:33] <micahg> alucardni: right, it needs to be packaged in Ubuntu/Debian
[04:34] <alucardni> micahg: ok, but that repo already offer packages for both Ubuntu and Debian.
[04:35] <micahg> alucardni: right, but like I said, we use source packages so everyone has access to the code that made the binaries
[04:37] <alucardni> micahg: What is the "protocol" for triaging this kind of bugs?? ;)
[04:37] <micahg> alucardni: same as any other needs packaging
[04:40] <alucardni> micahg: in the particular case a mentioned, just add the needs-packaging tag and that's it?
[04:40] <micahg> alucardni: sounds right bdmurray's script will do the rest
[04:41] <alucardni> thanks for your help micahg
[04:41] <micahg> alucardni: np
[05:57] <alucardni> micahg: how do I know if the work I'm doing with bugs counts for my 5-a-day? :D
[05:57] <micahg> alucardni: any time you touch a bug it counts
[05:58] <micahg> alucardni: you just need an e-mail address visible on launchpad if you want it to show up on the report
[06:00] <alucardni> I'm not sure what "an e-mail address visible on launchpad" means :-s I have 3 e-mail addresses on LP right now
[06:00] <micahg> alucardni: you should be ok then
[06:02] <alucardni> micahg: ok, thanks again. I was curious about the 5-a-day 'cause I don't see myself on yesterday's report
[06:07] <kermiac> alucardni: another thing that sometimes causes confusion is that only bugs with an Ubuntu task are counted towards 5-a-day
[06:11] <abhijit> hi
[06:12] <nigelb> micahg: wow, strong mail :)
[06:12] <micahg> nigelb: did it sound bad?
[06:12] <micahg> nigelb: maybe this is why I never respond to applications ;)
[06:12] <micahg> nigelb: I tried to keep to the facts
[06:13] <nigelb> micahg: A bit strongly worded, yes.  But I'm not sure if it was out of line.
[06:13] <nigelb> Personally, I think it was fairly okay.
[08:24] <kermiac> nigelb: you around mate? re bug 573124
[08:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 573124 in cheese (Ubuntu) "Make cheese debugging log attach as a .log file (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/573124
[08:25] <nigelb> kermiac: yep
[08:25] <kermiac> hey nigel, how are you going mate?
[08:26] <nigelb> kermiac: going good.  About to stab google maps thought.
[08:26] <nigelb> s/thought/though
[08:26] <kermiac> nigelb: make sure you take a very sharp knife hehe
[08:26] <nigelb> haha
[08:26] <nigelb> anyway, re: the bug
[08:26] <kermiac> nigelb: anyway, vish asked me to take a look at the cheese hook & I noticed your last comment to ping you or pitti on how we should best do it
[08:27] <nigelb> can you contact pitti? tell him that the log is getting created as a tar automatically and you want to force it to be txt.
[08:27] <nigelb> (I don't have the logs of the conversation pitti and I had when I had tried to do this last)
[08:27] <kermiac> ok, no probs...  I've actually been playing around with packaging a little lately
[08:30] <nigelb> kermiac: heh, thats sort of how I started, packing apport hooks and then got dragged on.
[08:30] <nigelb> Now I hardly have time for packaging though.
[08:31]  * micahg needs to write a hook still
[08:32] <kermiac> nigelb: it's ok.... if I get too involved I'm totally going to blame you for getting me all excited about writing apport hooks haha
[08:42] <nigelb> kermiac: hahaha
[08:49] <bilalakhtar> nigelb: should I work on getting bug #395692 into Ubuntu and upstream?
[08:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 395692 in alacarte (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Drag-and-Drop behavior in the menu editor is inconsistent and confusing (affects: 3) (heat: 29)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395692
[08:49] <bilalakhtar> nigelb: sorry, wrong bug
[08:49] <nigelb> hrm?
[08:49] <bilalakhtar> nigelb: bug #111939
[08:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 111939 in mutter (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "Not possible to alt-tab during a drag-and-drop operation (affects: 15) (dups: 3) (heat: 104)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111939
[08:50] <bilalakhtar> nigelb: your debdiff is waiting there
[08:50] <nigelb> vish: what happened to this? I remember you poking didrocks about it...
[08:50] <bilalakhtar> nigelb: 'coz the debdiff is somewhat stale now since many new versions of metacity came
[08:51] <nigelb> bilalakhtar: if you want to take over and push it, feel free ;)
[08:51] <nigelb> vish tested it some time back (when I made it) and it did work
[08:51] <bilalakhtar> nigelb: and let you remain as uploader, right?
[08:51] <nigelb> bilalakhtar: no, go ahead
[08:51] <bilalakhtar> BTW, we need to poke the upstream guys
[08:51] <nigelb> (don't use my name, you're doing the work)
[08:51] <vish> bilalakhtar: upstream seems to just have gotten stagnant on that bug. it probably just needs an update
[08:51] <micahg> bilalakhtar: we don't have uploaders in Ubuntu generally...
[08:51]  * nigelb hugs vish
[08:52] <vish> nigelb: didrocks said it was on his list..
[08:52] <nigelb> vish: probably in the end :p
[08:52] <vish> nigelb: but not sure how long his list is :D
[08:52] <nigelb> vish: we're thinking on the same lines :p
[08:52] <nigelb> I'm pretty sure his list has been emptied now that he's on vacation....
[08:53] <vish> nigelb: heh no!
[08:54] <vish> nigelb: he still has a long list .. he wanted to get that for Unity as well.. and opened the mutter task, but it is not close to release yet..
[08:55] <nigelb> vish: yeah, its a nifty feature to have.
[08:55] <nigelb> compiz doesn't have it either does it?
[08:55] <vish> nigelb: nope..
[08:55] <nigelb> I do the Always on top thingie to drag-drop.
[09:02] <vish> nigelb: it works with cairo-dock on compiz.
[09:02] <vish> not sure how it does though...
[09:03] <vish> nigelb: not alt+tab , but drag-n-drop
[09:04] <vish> micahg: ggah! how many ways are there to change a password! :s
[09:04] <vish> there is another one from "about me"
[09:04] <micahg> vish: that was the 3rd :)
[09:04]  * micahg really needs to go to sleep
[09:06] <vish> micahg: http://weebls-stuff.com/songs/Narwhals/ to keep you awake ;p
[09:06] <micahg> vish: saw that about 12 hrs ago
[09:07] <vish> micahg: now to to keep you awake :p
[09:07] <micahg> vish: I have to be up in less than 6 hrs
[09:08] <vish> sleep... overrated!
[09:08]  * micahg  thinks we need a override_dh_sleep :)
[09:17] <abhijit> bye
[11:04] <RafalR> I can not run Ubuntu because the system drive is full and there is no free space (version 10.04). I can not login, even with the use of the terminal.
[11:17] <njin> hello folks, wich is the equivalent of palimpsest in kde ?
[12:02] <abhijit> hi :)
[12:16] <abhijit> om26er, hello
[12:18] <om26er> abhijit, hi :)
[13:24] <njin> pedro_: hello !!
[13:25] <pedro_> njin, hi!
[13:28] <njin> pedro_: we support backported packages?
[13:36] <pedro_> njin, yes, have a look to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports for more info about those
[13:37] <njin> pedro_: thanks
[13:58] <Laibsch> anybody else experiecing something similar to bug 610287 on their netbook?
[13:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 610287 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "[regression] hardware wifi switch kills eth0 as well (affects: 1) (heat: 169)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610287
[14:46] <abhijit> hi
[15:16] <abhijit> where is omer?
[15:16] <abhijit> :(
[15:30] <MichealH> Hello. I have requested to be part of the Bug Control but I havent gotten a reply?
[15:32] <pedro_> MichealH, one of the messages there stated this "I just received a user not found message from my reply for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>. "
[15:32] <pedro_> MichealH, you need to provide a valid email
[15:32] <MichealH> It should work.
[15:32]  * MichealH investigates
[15:33] <pedro_> well if you're not getting any reply that's probably why, two members already answered your request
[15:38] <MichealH> pedro_, What was the replied?
[16:00] <hggdh> MichealH: you should subscribe to the ML
[16:00] <MichealH> I looked at the archives
[16:00] <micahg> hggdh: non-members can't subscribe to the bugcontrol ML
[16:01] <MichealH> micahg, About the memtoring...
[16:01] <MichealH> *mentoring
[16:01] <hggdh> micahg: ugh! I forgot about that...
[16:04] <micahg> MichealH: we actually have a bugsquad mentoring team
[16:04]  * micahg is not running it
[16:04] <micahg> MichealH: https://edge.launchpad.net/~bugsquad-mentorship
[16:15] <devildante> pedro, kamusin: thank you guys, you've done an excellent job on the bug day :)
[16:16] <vish> nigelb: actually that metacity bug was in a list of bugs i had to to seb128 to review/upload as well.. so would probably be taken care of this cycle
[16:16] <kamusin> hey devildante , we have been waiting for you , hugday needs you!
[16:16] <pedro_> there's still plenty of bugs waiting ;-)
[16:17] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100819 <- come on folks let's make didrocks happy
[16:17] <devildante> Don't worry guys, I'm on a sweep muhaha :p
[16:18] <devildante> is there a way to test appmenu-gtk on desktop edition?
[16:18] <vish> oh bug day!
[16:19] <vish> been a month since i'v done that :(
[16:19]  * vish looks at banshee bugs :)
[16:19] <vish> darn it! pedro_ left nothing for us ;p
[16:20] <pedro_> vish, no no there's still a lot of white spots there :-)
[16:21] <vish> \o/
[16:22] <devildante> vish: kamusin also did a good job :)
[16:23] <abhijit> hi devildante
[16:24] <devildante> abhijit: hi :)
[16:24] <kamusin> haha pedro, bug eater
[16:24] <abhijit> :)
[16:24] <pedro_> sorry, i'm an addict :-P
[16:32] <nigelb> vish: great :)
[16:48] <vish> njin: hi, are you using bug day tools?
[17:00] <njin> vish: no
[17:00] <njin> vish i don't know this tool
[17:01] <vish> njin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Tools , if you use that you can easily close bugs..
[17:01] <njin> ok, thanks
[17:02] <devildante> njin, as a test, you could close bug 423481, which you marked Incomplete ;)
[17:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 423481 in banshee (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Banshee refuses to play internet radio stream (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423481
[17:02] <njin> devildante: ok
[17:09] <devildante> njin: I don't think bug 550426 is a feature request, since the behavior described also causes issues with syncing.
[17:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 550426 in banshee (Ubuntu) "Banshee does not tell you when music is unavailable/unmounted (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550426
[17:11] <micahg> wow, there's a shot for a clean sweep this bug day
[17:12] <devildante> micahg: Operation Cleansweep, Banshee Edition? :p
[17:13] <abhijit> hey
[17:14] <abhijit> what we are supposed to do on bug day? :(
[17:14] <abhijit> i forgot about today. i just remember
[17:14] <abhijit> :(
[17:15] <micahg> devildante: well, we'd have to redefine operation cleansweep for that ;)
[17:16] <micahg> abhijit: triage bugs :)
[17:16] <abhijit> micahg, ohh
[17:16] <micahg> abhijit: make the bugday page all green :)
[17:16] <abhijit> micahg, but we do that daily?
[17:16] <micahg> abhijit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100819
[17:16] <devildante> abhijit: each tuesday
[17:16] <micahg> devildante: Thursday :), when someone organizes it
[17:17] <devildante> i meant thursday
[17:17] <devildante> micahg: :p
[17:17] <abhijit> devildante, no i mean we do triage bug daily. then whats the difference in bug day?
[17:17] <nigelb> abhijit: its when we focus on a package.
[17:17] <devildante> abhijit: it let us concentrate on a specific package
[17:17]  * nigelb ^5 devildante :)
[17:18] <abhijit> nigelb, devildante ohhhh okk
[17:18] <nigelb> micahg: did you sleep in between or are you a bot (which we all fear :p)
[17:18] <micahg> to have a specific target (bugs w/out a package or with a patch are not packages) :)
[17:18] <devildante> argh, nigelb beat me to a pulp :p
[17:18]  * micahg answers questions randomly at all hours
[17:18] <nigelb> devildante: haha
[17:19] <micahg> nigelb: about 5 hrs...
[17:20] <nigelb> micahg: oh, that's good enough :)
[17:20]  * nigelb hugs micahg :)
[17:20]  * micahg learned from persia at UDS about not sleeping :)
[17:24] <nigelb> micahg: persia not sleeping is a myth.
[17:25] <micahg> nigelb: I know :)
[17:25] <abhijit> what is that myth?
[18:00] <vish> \o/ used my first double dup \o/
[18:01] <vish> wow, thats makes life so much more easier!
[18:01] <abhijit> what is double dup?
[18:02] <abhijit> vish, ?
[18:02] <mrand> abhijit: launchpad now allows marking a bug as a duplicate of another bug, which is a duplicate
[18:02] <vish> abhijit: are you subscribed to the bugsquad mailing list?
[18:02] <mrand> or that ;-)
[18:03] <vish> :)
[18:03] <abhijit> vish, yes
[18:04] <vish> abhijit: ah, see bd-murray's latest mail.. :)
[18:04] <abhijit> vish, ok
[18:14] <vish> devildante: damn you! i was just 50secs late :?
[18:14] <devildante> vish: muhaha :p bug 534079?
[18:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 534079 in language-pack-gnome-it (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "volume applet options are not translated in italian (regression from 9.10) (affects: 1) (heat: 22)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/534079
[18:14] <devildante> fail
[18:14] <devildante> bug 537940
[18:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 537940 in linux (Ubuntu) "[RESUME 16.288s] WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.32/kernel/power/suspend_test.c:53 suspend_test_finish+0x89/0x90() (affects: 11) (heat: 32)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/537940
[18:14] <vish> lol!
[18:14] <devildante> fail again :p
[18:14] <vish> devildante: double fail!
[18:15] <devildante> bug 537049
[18:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 537049 in transmission (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Indicator menus should not use icons except for dynamic objects (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/537049
[18:15] <devildante> VICTORY!
[18:18] <njin> hello i receive just this  (hugday init --user fabiomarconi --wiki-id FabioMarconi --cookie /proc/6210/fd/41/cookies.sqlite) You are not allowed to change the content of 'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100708'. Plase run 'hugday init' and try again.
[18:18] <devildante> njin: wiki-id is supposed to be the contents of the MOIN_ID cookie
[18:19] <njin> why 08/07
[18:19] <devildante> njin: can you run "hugday current"?
[18:19] <njin> ok
[18:20] <njin> done
[18:21] <devildante> njin: what's the output?
[18:21] <njin> devildante: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100819
[18:22] <njin> devildante: now i've to found the cookie in FF
[18:22] <devildante> njin; now, run "hugday current --remember"
[18:23] <njin> devildante: done
[18:24] <devildante> njin: now run "hugday init --user fabiomarconi --cookie XXX", where XXX is the path to your mozilla cookies.sqlite
[18:24] <njin> devildante: ok
[18:25] <devildante> njin: for me, it's ~/.mozilla/firefox/e8bqdtch.default/cookies.sqlite , but it will certainly be different for you, just search for it ;)
[18:26] <njin> devildante: TypeError: Error while trying to read cookie in sql format, cannot handle format of '/proc/6210/fd/41/cookies.sqlite'
[18:27] <devildante> njin: what is the output of "~/.mozilla/firefox" for you?
[18:27] <devildante> ls ~/.mozilla/firefox, I mean
[18:27] <njin> i haven't .mozilla
[18:29] <devildante> njin: do you run firefox?
[18:30] <njin> devildante: yes, mozilla firefox
[18:30] <njin> i use Lucid
[18:33] <njin> devildante. using search tool for cookies.sqlite the only that found is in /proc
[18:33] <devildante> hmm
[18:34] <njin> devildante and if i close the FF it delete, the path but it's not allowed to do
[18:34] <njin> devildante: launch time, bbl
[18:37] <devildante> njin: open the firefox cookies window, and search for the wiki.ubuntu.com cookie
[18:39] <devildante> everyone: any reason why bug 410763 doesn't have an expiration countdown?
[18:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 410763 in banshee (Ubuntu) "[karmic] Banshee freeze after some song playback (affects: 3) (heat: 22)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410763
[18:47] <charlie-tca> Does incomplete us the countdown?
[18:48] <devildante> charlie-tca: yes, it triggers the countdown
[18:48]  * charlie-tca slaps head... I knew that
[18:49] <devildante> charlie-tca: well, "us" isn't very comprehensive, I think :p
[18:49] <charlie-tca> Well, that was not the best question I have asked :-(
[18:49] <charlie-tca> you are right! I did mean "use"
[18:50] <devildante> yes, it uses it, but this bug is not
[18:56] <charlie-tca> hmm, I wonder if the remote bug watch has anything to do with that?
[18:57] <charlie-tca> I don't really know, but that is one possibility
[18:58] <devildante> why doesn't it show at the top?
[19:01] <njin> devildante: i found it, but no path associated in everyone of the 5 cookies
[19:01] <charlie-tca> It was never added as an upstream bug. Launchpad will pick it up automatically from scanning the report.
[19:01] <devildante> njin: did you connect to the wiki?
[19:01] <njin> devildante. yes, i'm logged
[19:02] <devildante> charlie-tca: I just removed it, and the countdown begun! ;)
[19:02] <charlie-tca> Great.
[19:02] <devildante> njin: is there a MOIN_SESSION cookie?
[19:02] <devildante> charlie-tca: should I re-add it?
[19:02] <njin> yes
[19:02] <charlie-tca> Not unless someone verified it really is valid for this bug
[19:03] <charlie-tca> Sense in his comments just asked for someone to check and see if it applied
[19:04] <devildante> njin: now, replace XXX with the MOIN_SESSION cookie contents
[19:05] <devildante> charlie-tca: so, it should be marked as Confirmed?
[19:05] <charlie-tca> Is that upstream valid for it?
[19:05] <charlie-tca> I didn't read through all the comments
[19:06] <charlie-tca> I just looked for reasons there was no countdown
[19:08] <charlie-tca> Looks to me like it should have been confirmed and that gnome bug is the upstream bug for it
[19:08] <charlie-tca> comment #6
[19:10] <pedro_> http://people.canonical.com/~brian/complete-graphs/banshee/plots/banshee-1day-triaging.png <- OMG!
[19:10] <pedro_> that's looking *amazing* thanks folks!
[19:10]  * pedro_ hugs the bugsquad
[19:10] <micahg> pedro_: that's why I said we have a chance at a clean sweep, the day is young still
[19:11] <pedro_> micahg, indeed ;-)
[19:12] <devildante> thank you, pedro :)
[19:12] <devildante> charlie-tca: done :)
[19:12]  * devildante hugs everyone
[19:13] <charlie-tca> Thank you, devildante
[19:13] <devildante> charlie-tca: np ;)
[19:18] <njin> devildante: sorry, i try antother day.
[19:18] <njin> pedro_:
[19:18] <njin> pedro_: around
[19:18] <devildante> njin: can I close your bugs on the bug day list, then?
[19:19] <njin> devildante: yes
[19:19] <micahg> devildante: the hugday tools let you close with someone else's nick
[19:19] <devildante> micahg: --user?
[19:20] <micahg> devildante: yeah, you can pass another name to put on the hugday page
[19:20] <devildante> micahg: okay, thx :)
[19:21] <njin> help i don't know at wich package assign this https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/430505
[19:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 430505 in ubuntu "MCP61 (rev a2) Ethernet card with mirror-inverted Mac adress! (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[19:21] <njin> network manager?
[19:26]  * penguin42 looks
[19:27] <penguin42> njin: linux
[19:27] <penguin42> njin: It's more likely a device driver screw up
[19:27] <devildante> njin: I also think it's linux
[19:29] <penguin42> almost feels like a manufacturing screw up when they programmed the proms
[19:31] <njin> penguin42, devildante : thanks
[19:31] <devildante> njin: np ;)
[19:35] <devildante> only 10 new bugs remaining! keep it up, guys! :)
[19:37] <micahg> devildante: more than 10 left
[19:37] <devildante> + 2 incomplete + 2 confirmed... That makes a total of only 14!
[19:38] <devildante> micahg: I meant bugs marked as "new"
[19:38] <micahg> devildante: 13 new bugs :)
[19:39] <micahg> 1's an MIR so that won't count
[19:39] <devildante> I'm counting 10
[19:39] <micahg> devildante: I'm looking on LP :)
[19:40] <devildante> micahg: I'm looking on the bug day page
[19:40] <devildante> micahg: that's the main objective ;)
[19:56] <vish> micahg: how do we change the pword from console?
[19:56] <micahg> vish: passwd
[19:57]  * vish tries
[19:58] <vish> micahg: hmm , i dont get a prompt to run it as sudo? i just get "You must choose a longer password"
[19:59] <penguin42> vish: That'll be changing your password
[19:59] <micahg> vish: for your own password?
[19:59] <vish> yeah..
[19:59] <penguin42> vish: You don't need root
[19:59] <penguin42> vish: anyone can change their own password
[19:59] <micahg> vish: yes, you just asked how to change your own password, not how to set any arbotrary passwd
[19:59] <micahg> vish: to set it to anything, sudo passwd USERNAME
[20:00] <vish> micahg: i dont want to change.. :)  i want to test where you got the prompt to run as sudo? :)
[20:00] <vish> micahg: btw, how do i quit those continuous prompts?
[20:00] <micahg> vish: why should you be prompted to run as sudo?
[20:01] <micahg> vish: what continuous prompts?
[20:01] <vish> micahg: hmm , wasnt that what you said yesterday? that it mentions to run as sudo?
[20:01] <penguin42> vish: Ctrl-c
[20:01] <vish> yeah, that doesnt do it..
[20:01] <micahg> vish: to set any passwd, yes
[20:01] <micahg> vish: you need to ctrl-c a 2 or 3 times
[20:02] <vish> bah, i broke something in my ctrl+c .. there is some problem there , i had same problem when doing a gdb :s
[20:04] <penguin42> vish: Broke something?
[20:05] <vish> yeah.. for some reason i thought having a consistent ctrl+c[copy] everywhere would be nice!
[20:05] <vish> doh!
[20:05] <vish> then when i reverted it does not allow me to quit always :/
[20:06] <penguin42> ah, blocking ctrl-c in a shell would be bad
[20:06] <mrand> vish: ctrl-d or period will sometimes stop continous prompts
[20:07] <mrand> ctrl-d is also logout though, so be careful ;-)
[20:07] <vish> ooh! dint know that one.. for next time  :)
[20:07] <mrand> vish: depends on the situation/app.
[20:07] <vish> if my ctrl+c doesnt work, i just use the metacity close :D
[20:08] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: is bug 620399 dublicate of bug 620371 ? one is about if using xscreensaver other is if disabling xscreensaver
[20:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 620399 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power manager Monitor doesnt go to sleep and off mode if Disabling xscreensaver (dup-of: 620371)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620399
[20:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 620371 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power manager Monitor doesnt go to sleep and off mode if Using xscreensaver (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620371
[20:08] <vish> mrand: ah ok .. will try to remember..  thanks :)
[20:08] <vish> i have to format up my /home .. [and probably use btrfs] all these old crufts are killing me :/
[20:09] <penguin42> brave :-)
[20:09] <vish> heh , they say its stable and meego uses it already by default?
[20:12] <vish> micahg: re: the password bug .. i'm confused now.. i wanted to test the bug we saw yesterday. and wanted to see what prompt we get when we choose an insecure pword from a console and see if we are provided with info to run as root to change the password
[20:13] <vish> micahg: i thought you mentioned we get prompted to run it as sudo , or were you just informing that we can run as sudo to change?
[20:14] <vish> or to override that prompt..
[20:14] <micahg> vish: informing
[20:14] <vish> ah!
[20:14] <micahg> vish: root is all powerful :)
[20:14] <vish> heh! :D
[20:15] <vish> micahg: oh well , i dont see what/where we can make it better!  i thought you said the console gives more info.. since the gui doesnt we could improve the prompt.. but :(
[20:16] <vish> boo security! ;p
[20:16] <micahg> vish: the only place it might be appropriate to change is users and groups since that's run as root
[20:17] <micahg> but a user's own password, idk about that
[20:17] <micahg> vish: maybe a GUI to set PAM policy?
[20:17] <vish> micahg: hasnt that been switched to policykit too?
[20:17] <micahg> vish: maybe, I never use it...
[20:17] <vish> yeah , we get the policykit prompt for authentication..
[20:20] <vish> micahg: hehe , GUI for pam policy ;p
[20:21] <vish> there is a bug about that somewhere though
[20:36] <bbordwell> I have a bug with gnome-themes (clearlooks and high contrast inverse) where some icons do not load in software center. Should I forward it upstream or are the icons used in software center Ubuntu specific and should be added by Ubuntu developers?
[20:40] <vish> bbordwell: Bug #556335
[20:40] <pedro_> bdmurray, looks like your script tagged an screenshot as a patch, bug 620436
[20:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 556335 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Icons not displayed when using certain icon themes (affects: 6) (dups: 2) (heat: 61)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/556335
[20:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 620436 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "All title bars not properly show (with a white dot-line) when extra visual effects were selected (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620436
[20:41] <vish> pedro_: easy bug to review!  :D
[20:41] <pedro_> lol
[20:42] <bbordwell> vish, thanks
[20:42] <vish> np..
[20:47] <bdmurray> pedro_: its because the reporter said it was a patch ;-)
[20:48] <pedro_> bdmurray, ok i thought it was making a check before marking those :-)
[20:49] <bdmurray> pedro_: still looking
[20:50] <bdmurray> pedro_: in comment 1 do you have a bandaid next to "a picture"?
[20:52] <pedro_> bdmurray, yeah , and it was already unmarked as being a patch, but the icon is still there
[20:52] <pedro_> probably it's only on edge though
[20:52] <bdmurray> pedro_: that sounds like an lp bug to me :-(
[20:53] <pedro_> :-(
[20:54] <devildante> shouldn't bug 429579 be triaged?
[20:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 429579 in vlc (Ubuntu) (and 8 other projects) "all (audio)players should have the same preset sound volume (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429579
[20:59] <vish> devildante: heh , i would probably mark them all wont fix ;p
[20:59] <vish> devildante: comment #4
[21:02] <devildante> vish: true. but maybe we should let it as-is
[21:02] <vish> devildante: use the "opinion" ;)
[21:02] <devildante> vish: all right, time to use that new feature :)
[21:04] <devildante> vish: done :)
[21:04] <bdmurray> pedro_: well it sorted itself out for me
[21:05] <vish> devildante: marked them all? or only banshee task?
[21:05] <devildante> vish: all that weren't invalid or won't fix
[21:05]  * hggdh is amazed by the amount of people that request membership to the bugsquad *without* signing the CoC :-(
[21:12] <devildante> hggdh: Really?
[21:13] <devildante> hggdh: even with: *************
[21:13] <devildante>    TO JOIN:
[21:13] <devildante> *************
[21:13] <devildante> * Sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.
[21:13] <devildante> guess people just don't want to read sometimes :p
[21:15] <devildante> only 6 bugs to go! great job, guys! :)
[21:15] <hggdh> devildante: even though
[21:16] <devildante> (and micahg, it's on the bug list, no lp :p)
[21:16] <hggdh> and I wonder, if they cannot even read THAT, would they read the Wiki?
[21:16] <micahg> devildante: huh?
[21:17] <devildante> flashback: <micahg> devildante: more than 10 left <micahg> devildante: I'm looking on LP :)
[21:49] <vish> devildante: not more flashbacks!  "Lost" is over, they were all dead ;p
[21:49] <vish> no*
[21:50] <devildante> vish: I never watched Lost for more than 5 minutes :p
[21:50] <vish> devildante: you saved valuable time in your life!
[21:50] <devildante> I lol'd :p
[21:51] <devildante> Is there someone running Unity to (not) confirm bug 602760?
[21:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602760 in banshee (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Banshee doesn't display application menu in netbook mode (affects: 1) (heat: 88)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602760
[21:55] <pedro_> 4 bugs left? you guys are crazy :-P
[21:56] <devildante> pedro: refresh bug day page, there is only ONE BUG REMAINING! :p
[21:56] <devildante> and it's bug 602760
[21:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602760 in banshee (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Banshee doesn't display application menu in netbook mode (affects: 1) (heat: 86)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602760
[21:57] <pedro_> only 1 in the bug day page? WOW
[21:57] <pedro_> OMG!
[21:57] <pedro_> jcastro, ^
[21:57]  * micahg thinks we should schedule a FF bug day before the energy leaves the channel :P
[21:57] <pedro_> jcastro, look at the graph for banshee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100819
[21:58] <devildante> pedro: it's him who reported it :p
[21:58] <pedro_> jcastro, it's all your fault!
[21:58] <pedro_> ;-)
[21:59] <jcastro> pedro_: !!!!!
[21:59] <jcastro> let me go tell upstream
[21:59] <devildante> jcastro: are you sure it's not appmenu-gtk's fault?
[22:00] <jcastro> devildante: not sure, I'll just assign it to didrocks
[22:00] <jcastro> we need it for UNE
[22:01] <mrand> great job guys!
[22:02] <pedro_> !!!!!!!
[22:02] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100819 <- ALL GREEN!
[22:02] <pedro_> Awesome job folks!!!!
[22:03]  * pedro_ hugs the bugsquad
[22:03] <pedro_> wow long time without seeing all the bugs in the page triaged!!
[22:03]  * devildante hugs pedro_
[22:03] <pedro_> our bugsquad rock or what? ;-)
[22:03] <devildante> okay, the overall classment is:
[22:04] <devildante> 1st - pvillavi with 52 bugs! great job pedro_ :)
[22:04] <pedro_> \o/!
[22:04] <pedro_> i'm an addict
[22:04] <pedro_> ok guys gotta run, see you later!
[22:04] <pedro_> great job everybody
[22:05] <devildante> 2nd - me with 20 bugs :p
[22:05] <pedro_> <3
[22:05] <devildante> pedro_: bye :)
[22:05] <devildante> 3rd: kamus with 13 bugs - good job mentor :)
[22:06] <devildante> 4th: vish with 11 bugs - good job too :)
[22:06] <devildante> 5th: njin with 8 bugs - not bad!
[22:07] <kamusin> devildante, bug 555141 is waiting for you
[22:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 555141 in banshee (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Can't delete files from removable device using DELETE key (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/555141
[22:07] <vish> devildante: 19..only ! you stole one from me!
[22:07] <devildante> vish: haha
[22:07] <kamusin> use the force luke
[22:08] <devildante> and 6th: jorge with one bug.... pretty good :p
[22:08] <jcastro> alright!
[22:08] <kamusin> we are done :) yay!
[22:09] <devildante> kamusin: ah, a bug lands when I'm bored, perfect :p
[22:09] <vish> jcastro is a happy man today! met Mustaine , banshee bugs got triaged.. !
[22:09] <jcastro> vish: all that's left is to switch to it by default! :)
[22:09] <vish> \o/
[22:09] <devildante> Mustaine?
[22:10] <vish> jcastro: snap , was about to type the same thing :)
[22:15] <devildante> vish, jcastro: what is Mustaine?
[22:15] <devildante> (girlfriend? :p)
[22:15] <vish> devildante: http://tumblr.com/xofg6fz79
[22:16]  * vish lol'd at : https://twitter.com/jonobacon/statuses/21600599691 ;p
[22:16] <devildante> oh, I see. Not a good candidate for a girlfriend though :p
[22:17] <devildante> I second Jono Bacon, even though I don't know at all Dave Mustaine :p


[15:41] <nlsthzn-also> alo
[17:18] <Kilos> guten abend
[17:22] <nlsthzn-also> alo uncle Kilos...
[17:22] <Kilos> hi neelsie
[17:24] <nlsthzn-also> all well uncle Kilos?
[17:24] <Kilos> yes ty  lad and by you?
[17:27] <Kilos> getting ready for bed, early rise to go for meds tomorrow
[17:45] <Kilos> just came to check if you all still alive
[17:45] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight