[10:26] <Ziroday> @schedule Singapore
[10:26] <ubotu> Schedule for Asia/Singapore: 06 Dec 04:30: Xubuntu meeting | 13 Dec 07:00: Kubuntu Developers | 18 Dec 23:00: Server Team meeting
[12:03]  * ogra waves
[12:03] <ogra> hey flint
[12:03] <stgraber_> hey
[12:03] <pips1> flint: ogra RichEd stgraber hi
[12:03] <flint> ogra, how are you doing!
[12:03]  * RichEd lurks ... busy with dealine ... mention by name if needed specifically
[12:04] <RichEd> *deadline
[12:04]  * pips1 is also in lurking-mode
[12:04] <ogra> RichEd, i'll call you for the last part for communty/management ...
[12:04]  * Hobbsee waves
[12:04] <ogra> so teahc:
[12:04] <RichEd> ta
[12:04] <ogra> *tech
[12:04]  * pips1 is cooking lunch
[12:04] <flint> I sort of like "dealine"  sort of like the line on a deal...
[12:04] <ogra> pips1, congrats to rpoducing new ubuntu users btw :)
[12:04] <flint> it is morning in Vermont.
[12:04] <ogra> *producing
[12:04] <pips1> ogra: hehe, thanks
[12:05] <pips1> the new ubuntu user is currently being fed
[12:05] <flint> ogra, your movie find deserves mention.  Very cool.
[12:05] <pips1> the mother wears a ubuntu t-shirt, believe it or not :-)
[12:05] <ogra> so we had some open questions last week ... i talked to cjwatson about the CD changes and consensus was that they will happen in *any case*
[12:06] <stgraber_> question being when ...
[12:06] <ogra> overall the seeds will be changed a lot so i cant exactly predict when
[12:06] <stgraber_> looks like my server is back online, great :)
[12:06] <ogra> stgraber, we wont do any vitong today, no need to have three accounts logged in :P
[12:06] <ogra> *voting
[12:07] <stgraber_> ogra: crappy germany <-> france connection at the moment, all my internet trafic going through germany I have some connection problems :)
[12:07] <ogra> my main work last week was getting the remaining merges done ... there is one open issue with tuxmath where i need input from our font guy (tuxmath depends on a new font and i want a clear statement about the licensing)
[12:08] <ogra> stgraber1, yeah thats what i would say as well :)
[12:08]  * ogra giggles
[12:08] <pips1> hihi
[12:09] <pips1> poor fellow
[12:09] <ogra> i'll try to make the CD redesign hapen for the next milestone, but since i'll be travelling half of next week i cant promise anything
[12:09] <ogra> worst case it will happen only after new year
[12:09] <stgraber> argh !!! once it's the VPN, then it's irssi ... :)
[12:09] <ogra> which indeed is odd since we get less testing
[12:10] <ogra> ltsp is moved in the ubuntu alternate CD already, but the linux-image-386 package isnt on there yet and we need a slimmed down version of it first it seems ...
[12:10] <ogra> in ltsp land a lot of things changed and other changes are still to come
[12:11] <ogra> we have the first pre-release tarball in hardy now, so feel free to play with it (works for me (tm))
[12:11] <ogra> but be aware it might still break heavily as fedora hasnt merged their patches yet
[12:12] <ogra> there are two ne apps i wrote on my weekeds for ltsp maintenance, neither is packaged yet but i expet them to be at least in universe for the release
[12:12] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-image-shell/ is a tool that spawns a shell inside the squashfs image to make changing things easier
[12:13] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/gtk-build-client/ is a Gui for ltsp-build-client that some of you have seen in boston already
[12:13] <ogra> code is on https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/ltsp-build-client-gtk and https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/ltsp-image-shell
[12:14] <ogra> beyond all that i'm fiddling with livecd-rootfs to get automatic classmate image building done (which is my main prio atm)
[12:15] <pips1> ogra: if I understood correctly, your focus will move to the edubuntu "add-on" cd and slightly away from LTSP which is now taken care of by ltsp dev community and ubuntu server team (ubuntu-wise) ?
[12:15] <ogra> last milestone was alpha1 which we did pretty well i think, (lots of thanks to davmor2 and stgraber for helping with testing)
[12:15] <ogra> next milestone is alpha2 schedules for dec 20th
[12:16] <ogra> pips1, i'm only contributing to ltsp nowadays and we have switched upstream to be team maintained ...
[12:16] <ogra> the prob here is that we're a team of three different distros so every change requires a lot of discussion
[12:17] <pips1> is there a central "team hub" somewhere?
[12:17] <ogra> https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ is the team
[12:17] <ogra> oops
[12:17] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/
[12:17] <ogra> the first one was the code :)
[12:18] <ogra> we have members from debian, fedora and ubuntu in the team currently
[12:18] <pips1> who are the debian and fedora members?
[12:18] <ogra> ther is code waiting from gentoo to be merged into the main branch and someone is working on a weird implementation for suse based on a tool called kiwi
[12:18] <ogra> for fedora we have warren togami (who is the founder of fedora)
[12:19] <pips1> nice
[12:19] <ogra> for debian vagrant cascadian is the contact
[12:19] <ogra> (vagrant and i work together since we started work on ltsp5 he's an old chap and was at the seville UDS as well)
[12:20] <pips1> so vagrant will remain independant/volunteering? or will he join canonical ?
[12:20] <ogra> so my focus for ltsp is actually more on integration (packaging) and maintenance tools instead of being on the core code
[12:20] <ogra> he wont, there were several visa issues he couldnt overcome
[12:20] <ogra> actually i'm in the job we created for him now
[12:21] <ogra> as i'm working in the distro team and not in the edu team anymore
[12:21]  * ogra got sent the job description he wrote for vagrants job this week :P
[12:22] <pips1> heh
[12:23] <ogra> so ltsp is now cared for by a bigger group which takes a lot load of my sholders but pushes me into some (endless) discussions
[12:23] <ogra> the time i save is put into the classmate PC work though
[12:24] <flint> ogra the classmate constraints are a worthy adversary...
[12:24] <ogra> flint, indeed :)
[12:24] <flint> :^)
[12:24] <ogra> but its taking a lot of time to make it autobuild etc ...
[12:25] <ogra> the former images i built were rather handmade and had a lot hardcoded stuff ... i need to translate all that into the proper tools of the distro
[12:25] <ogra> so that will eat the majority of my time this cycle
[12:25] <ogra> chances are good we can reuse all that for the triple e PC from asus though
[12:26] <ogra> (apart from fixed module sets etc that are only for classmate)
[12:27] <ogra> stgraber did awesome work on iTalc which finally got uploaded this week :)
[12:27] <ogra> pease help testing so we find all bugs and have the most rocking iTalc in hardy :)
[12:28] <stgraber> right, I'd like demo-mode/shutdown/reboot/logout testing especially :)
[12:28] <ogra> it's currently still in universe and we need to prove stabilty and usability before attempting to pull it to main
[12:28] <ogra> so each test is valuable :)
[12:29] <ogra> i must admit i didnt do any work on edubuntu content server yet
[12:29] <ogra> which is also on my plate for hardy
[12:29] <stgraber> ogra: you talked about the eeePC, did you try one ?
[12:29] <ogra> i guess i'll need some extra discussions with the server team as well
[12:30] <ogra> stgraber, nope, our triple e is travelling through the world atm ... its supposed to land on bryce's desk at some point
[12:30] <ogra> so he will take care fo all the machine specific stuff but we agreed to work together where it makes sense
[12:31]  * ogra wonders what he forgot ...
[12:31] <ogra> any questions wrt tech ?
[12:31] <stgraber> ogra: ok, it's currently high in my "to buy" list (and so is a good PDA/tablet)
[12:32] <ogra> well there is that christmas thing oming up :)
[12:32] <ogra> *coming
[12:33]  * ogra will wait with new HW until may at least :) i got enough crap lying around here ...
[12:33] <stgraber> I would like to see how easy it would be to create a minimal image to boot LTSP over wireless (I'm sure I would have lots of interesting people for deployment in school)
[12:34] <ogra> you will need to have a initramfs script for it
[12:34] <ogra> i'm sure its pretty trivial
[12:34] <ogra> i have some ideas but not the time to do it :)
[12:35] <stgraber> ogra: yes, I plan to add wpa_supplicant and the wireless stuff in the initramfs
[12:35] <ogra> sadly you wont be able to get that done really secure as the WLAN key has to be either a bootoption in pxe or has to be put into initramfs
[12:35] <ogra> both are user accessible via tftp
[12:36] <ogra> its a similar prob to putting sshd into a thin client chroot/image
[12:36] <ogra> everyone can steal the keys
[12:36] <stgraber> ogra: I can have WPA enterprise using SSL certificate, then I can enable/disable the clients
[12:36] <ogra> right, thats an option
[12:37] <ogra> ok, i think thats it about tech
[12:37] <ogra> anyone up to talk about docs ?
[12:38] <ogra> no LaserJock around ... so i guess not
[12:38] <ogra> ...
[12:39] <ogra> artwork ...
[12:39] <ogra> i guess we need to contat jill for a new wallpaper :)
[12:39] <ogra> *contact
[12:39] <ogra> RichEd, can you mail her ?
[12:40] <RichEd> sure ... do we want to make any suggestions to her ... or let her decide where to start ?
[12:40] <ogra> so we get our artwork a bit earlier this time and she actually has time for different proposals
[12:40] <RichEd> i.e. any theme / criteria
[12:40] <ogra> well, she did the last one and i would assume she knows where we like to go now
[12:40] <ogra> something neutral edu related :)
[12:41] <ogra> any other issues about artwork ?
[12:41] <ogra> pips1, and word about the website theme ?
[12:41] <ogra> i heard there is work going on
[12:41] <pips1> I'm wondering... the next release is a LTS one. so stability is a big criteria.
[12:41] <ogra> pips1, for artwork ?
[12:41] <ogra> :)
[12:42] <pips1> nope, sorry ,I was still pondering about tech
[12:42] <pips1> what needs to be done for improved stability for edubuntu?
[12:42] <pips1> early and often testing, I suppose :-)
[12:43] <stgraber> pips1: yes, and we (as a ubuntu testing team member) would like way more testing than for Gutsy (we were only like 4-5 testers for Edubuntu+LTSP)
[12:43] <ogra> not update to the latest and greatest but rather stay with what we have and stabilize that
[12:43] <ogra> thats my phillosophy for ltsp at least
[12:43] <ogra> i.e. i dont see localapps happen in time yet
[12:43] <ogra> and we have lots of bugs with autologin etc
[12:43] <pips1> ok, but there are still some kinks with the edubuntu "add-on" to be ironed out, no?
[12:44] <ogra> so i i do work there it will be rather bugfixing than working on new features
[12:44]  * stgraber would like to have at least a minimal localapp support (running shutdown/reboot remotely)
[12:44] <RichEd> ogra: re artwork .... can we assume that the colour palette will remain the same ?
[12:44] <ogra> pips1, i dont even have an idea yet how to do the addon change ... (i'm still writing on the spec)
[12:44] <ogra> RichEd, *i* didnt plan to change it ...
[12:44] <pips1> hmm
[12:45] <ogra> if others have suggestions they are indeed welcome
[12:45] <ogra> but that will need some contribution from these *others* as well ;)
[12:45] <RichEd> ogra: me nods ... the comment was w.r.t. the new "ubuntu black"
[12:45] <ogra> i dont care about ubuntu here :)
[12:45] <ogra> ubutu changed the main color every release
[12:45] <RichEd> or should i say the possible alleged rumour of a new ubuntu black
[12:45] <ogra> its just a bit more drastic this time
[12:46] <pips1> so the addon change is somewhat up in the air... that's what you talked about at the beginning of the meeting, right, that you need to talk to cj watson
[12:46] <RichEd> ( just to be on the safe side :)
[12:46] <ogra> pips1, no, it will happen in any case
[12:46] <ogra> its just not my highest prio atm ... thats classmate
[12:46] <pips1> right, I will happen, but how is still not quite defined :-)
[12:46] <pips1> ic, right
[12:46] <pips1> *it will
[12:47] <Hobbsee> turn it yellow :P
[12:47] <pips1> hey Hobbsee
[12:47] <Hobbsee> heya pips1!
[12:48] <ogra> Hobbsee, it *is* yellow ... different shades every release though
[12:48] <ogra> (the wllpaper and login screen at least :) )
[12:48] <pips1> mustard
[12:48] <ogra> no mustard was dissed
[12:48] <ogra> that was my breezy theme which JaneW found to boring :)
[12:48] <pips1> :-)
[12:48] <pips1> normally women like mustard color
[12:48] <ogra> pips1, edubuntu addon will depend on ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-server
[12:49] <Hobbsee> ogra: really?  the one i saw at LCA wasn't, i thought.
[12:49] <Hobbsee> pips1: ew.  horrid colour :)
[12:49] <pips1> :)
[12:49] <ogra> edubuntu-desktop will be ubuntu-desktop + edu apps and artwork in the future
[12:50] <pips1> the future = hardy+1 ?
[12:50] <ogra> edubuntu-server will currently only depend on edubuntu-content-server (nonexistent yet) and expect ubuntu minimal/standard to be in place
[12:50] <ogra> no hardy
[12:50] <pips1> ah
[12:51] <ogra> i.e. you will be able to install from the ubuntu-server CD and if you pop in the edubuntu addon CD you have the option to install -content-server on top
[12:51] <ogra> which brings moodle and a wiki on the addon cd
[12:51] <pips1> will you be able to work on edu apps during this cycle at all? or is it mostly up to work LaserJock manages to do?
[12:52] <pips1> edu (desktop) apps
[12:52] <ogra> well i will do my best to work on edu apps but i suspect most of my time in hardy will go into classmate and the CD redesign
[12:52] <Hobbsee> ogra: can i ask the stupid questoin about cd space, with ubuntu-desktop + edu apps?
[12:52] <pips1> right
[12:52] <ogra> hardy+1 should be a very relaxed thing for me though :)
[12:52] <ogra> Hobbsee, whats the issue ?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> ogra: you should never say that.  they'll give you more work :)
[12:53] <Hobbsee> ogra: er, won't your cds be oversized?
[12:53] <ogra> Hobbsee, fine with me ... in hardy+1 i should have gotten rid of 80% of my current duties ;)
[12:53] <Hobbsee> ogra: ubuntu hardly fits as it is, let alone with more edu apps on top of it
[12:53] <ogra> Hobbsee, we dont have any desktop on them anymore
[12:53] <Hobbsee> oh right
[12:53] <Hobbsee> sorry for the diversion.  continue :)
[12:53] <ogra> addon *requires* ubuntu-desktop
[12:53] <Hobbsee> didn't realise you were just talking -minimal and -standard
[12:54] <Hobbsee> ohhhh!
[12:54] <Hobbsee> yes, i see.
[12:54] <ogra> what you get through shipit if you order edubuntu will likely be a two CD sleeve with ubuntu-desktop and edubuntu addon then
[12:54] <ogra> so we can ship two CDs without having to press two ;)
[12:54] <pips1> so edubuntu-desktop is a somewhat *configuration* of ubuntu-desktop ? (with own artwork and selection of desktop edu apps)
[12:55] <ogra> as it is now
[12:55] <ogra> did you ever look at the edubuntu desktop seeds ?
[12:55] <pips1> nope :-)
[12:55] <ogra> its duplicating most of ubuntu desktop
[12:55] <ogra> the new seeds will rather look like the edubuntu-desktop-kde seed in the future
[12:56] <ogra> that one depends on kubuntu-desktop and just lists a few kdeedu apps
[12:56] <ogra> so we have pleanty of space for edu stuff on our CD ;)
[12:56] <pips1> and edubuntu-server is a *configuration* of ubuntu-server, including LTSP and edu server apps (like moodle and wiki) ..?
[12:57] <ogra> no
[12:57] <pips1> no?
[12:57] <ogra> edubuntu-server is a metapackage or task that will use ubuntu-server as platform but depend on high level apps like moodle/wiki
[12:58] <ogra> you should be able to install edubuntu-server on any other system as well though
[12:58] <pips1> what do you mean by any other system?
[12:58] <ogra> ltsp is out of the loop here
[12:59] <pips1> ah, edubuntu-server is only the education related server apps (like moodle)
[12:59] <ogra> well, if you have a standalone classroom server (ltsp) then you will be able to put edubuntu-server on top if you want ... we dont *require* you to use ubuntu-server for it
[12:59] <ogra> the initial idea was to have these pieces on the ubuntu-server CD
[12:59] <pips1> oh, there is/will be such a thing as "classrom server" ?!
[12:59] <ogra> but i dubt i can convince the server team to ship moodle
[13:00] <ogra> yes, but you will have to do multiple steps to get a classroom server in that scenarion
[13:00] <ogra> *scenario
[13:00] <ogra> i.e. get the ubuntu alternate CD to have ltsp and then put edubutu addon on top
[13:01] <ogra> ltsp will onyl be available through alternate in the future
[13:01] <ogra> not sure kubuntu will include it as it takes a bit of space for the 386 kernel
[13:01] <pips1> so in hardy, to get what you previously got with the edubuntu server.... you will need to start with the install of ubuntu-server... and then add the LTSP package? (if wanted) and edubuntu-server package (if wanted) ?
[13:01] <ogra> no
[13:02] <ogra> you use ubuntu-alternate+edubuntu-addon
[13:02] <ogra> but alternate wont be in shipit
[13:02] <ogra> so you need to download that
[13:02] <pips1> aha
[13:03] <ogra> ubuntu alternate will have everything we have now in the edubuntu-server iso apart from edubuntu artwork and edu apps
[13:03] <pips1> so ubuntu-server provides what (besides a different kernel)? LAMP?
[13:03] <ogra> ubuntu-server will provide a server platform for the webserver we need for moodle :)
[13:04] <ogra> later on i plan to have a edubuntu-content-filter package as well that will also use ubuntu-server as platform
[13:04] <ogra> actually al the implementations we'll do in the future that dont need a GUI should use ubuntu-server as platform
[13:05] <ogra> but you can indeed use a commandlie install of alternate as well :)
[13:05] <pips1> what about the whole directory server stuff-under-development (LDAP)... will that be available in the alternate-install-cd only?
[13:05] <ogra> edubuntu will become a module on top of the ubuntu/kubuntu CDs
[13:06] <ogra> no, that will be a part of ubuntu-server
[13:06] <ogra> not alternate
[13:06] <pips1> ok
[13:06] <flint> pips1, now that you got it, I will try to get this new Hardy ubuntu-server based distro approach...  Would this information be included in the documentation anywhere?
[13:06] <ogra> (at least i assume that, no idea what the server team will finally decide here, its hardy+1 anyway)
[13:06] <ogra> flint, its not *new*
[13:06] <pips1> oh, LDAP is hardy+1
[13:07] <pips1> well, makes sense, since hardy is LTS
[13:07] <ogra> ubuntu-server is around as long as edubuntu is (since breezy)
[13:07] <ogra> pips1, all that stuff is not in my hands ... the server team will decide (we can give suggestions and make requests though)
[13:08] <flint> ogra, good point.  It is different and I think quite modular and therefore interesting.
[13:08] <pips1> i think our slight confusion might stem from the fact that I (and perhaps flint) don't have experience with ubuntu-server (but only edubuntu and perhaps ubuntu).. :-)
[13:08] <flint> pips1, exactly.
[13:09] <ogra> yeah, ubuntu-server wasnt really promoted until now
[13:09] <ogra> it was there but we only got a real server team together during gutsy
[13:09] <pips1> I installed debian on my server :-)
[13:10] <ogra> (we hired all these people that cant cope with GUIs you know *g*)
[13:10] <pips1> hehe
[13:10] <ogra> pips1, why ?
[13:10]  * ogra uses ubuntu on all his servers
[13:10] <flint> ogra, you were going on about this stuff in Boston, and I thought it was interesting then, and still do.  I suppose it is time to go grab the current copy of ubuntu-server.  GUIs are bad... :^)
[13:10] <ogra> flint, you should ahve grabbed a pressed CD in boston :)
[13:11] <ogra> there were plenty of the server CDs around
[13:11] <flint> Windows Icons Mice and Pointer Systems (WIMPS :^)  damn now I must download.
[13:11] <stgraber> ogra: they aren't available on shipit, are they ?
[13:11] <stgraber> I saw them on shop.c.c though
[13:11] <ogra> i think gutsy is
[13:11] <pips1> well, acutally, I have a ubuntu server (dapper) test box. and the productive server isn't hosted by me. they have debian by default. I could have chose ubuntu server I would have need to pay a small extra fee for that
[13:12] <pips1> (sorry, terrible spelling)
[13:13] <ogra> anyway, we're at 75min already, lets move on
[13:13] <pips1> last question
[13:13] <ogra> shoot
[13:14] <pips1> so if you want a classroom server with LTSP, *and* Moodle and, let's say, some CMS like drupal for the school website, what would a small school do?
[13:14] <ogra> get ubuntu-alternate and edubuntu addon
[13:14] <pips1> get the alternate-install version of the ubuntu-server and additionally the edubuntu-add-on, right?
[13:15] <pips1> ah, ok
[13:15] <pips1> all clear then
[13:15] <ogra> then install ubuntu alternate with ltsp ... put edubuntu addon in, convert the desktop through installing edubuntu-desktop and install edubuntu-content-server to get moodle/wiki
[13:15] <ogra> no, not ubuntu-server
[13:16] <ogra> ubuntu-alternate should fulfill your needs
[13:16] <ogra> we'll probably need to put the LAMP stack on the addon so you dont need to have ubuntu-server for that
[13:16] <pips1> I guess i just need to check out the ubuntu-server cd :-) that will clear my confusion up on what is provided by it :-)
[13:17] <pips1> ahhhh
[13:17] <pips1> ok, that makes sense, now
[13:17] <pips1> so the LAMP would be on the addon too. hmm
[13:17] <pips1> ok
[13:17] <flint> ogra, indeed thanks for the update...  anyway a LAMP install is a snap.
[13:17] <ogra> ubuntu-server is only used to get a minimal system up and have the LAMP stack available ... but you should only use it if you want edubuntu-content-server as standalone headless solution :)
[13:18] <ogra> if you want the old classrom-server behavior you use ubuntu-alternate
[13:18] <ogra> plud addon
[13:18] <ogra> *plus
[13:18] <pips1> headless solution, hehe
[13:18] <ogra> ok, lets move on :)
[13:18] <ogra> website is next ...
[13:18] <ogra> and news here ?
[13:19] <pips1> I can just repeat what I read from the two last meeting logs
[13:19] <ogra> btw pips1 thanks for the updates fo the gutsy release :)
[13:19] <ogra> great job
[13:19] <pips1> highvoltage has prepared a new drupal theme based on the theme that fridge uses
[13:20] <highvoltage> oh, hi guys, got to the office just a few minutes ago, didn't realise the meeting was the early one today
[13:20] <pips1> however, I read that he can't apply the new theme to the productive edubuntu.org site because of permission probs on the web server...
[13:20] <highvoltage> I got write access to the server again earlier this week (shew)
[13:20] <pips1> ah
[13:20] <pips1> good
[13:20] <highvoltage> pips1: yep, was fixed on monday
[13:21] <pips1> great.
[13:21] <highvoltage> haven't had any time since then do to anything about it
[13:21] <highvoltage> but at least the blocker is out of the way
[13:21] <pips1> ok
[13:21] <pips1> I also read that there was some discussion about welcoming interested people
[13:22] <highvoltage> LaserJock said that the bottom color of the gradient should be more orangy, so I think I'll just do that too before uploading a new one
[13:22] <pips1> riched proposed the idea to have an "ambassador" (better name needed)
[13:22] <highvoltage> is he here?
[13:22] <RichEd> pips1: yep ... jonathan is going to assume the role for the moment
[13:22] <RichEd> hi highvoltage :)
[13:22] <highvoltage> hi RichEd
[13:23] <pips1> highvoltage was asked to be the first edubuntu ambassador
[13:23] <pips1> ++ from me
[13:23] <highvoltage> :)
[13:23] <RichEd> we had a guinea pig last week who agreed to answer some profiling and fit questions ... I sent him an email
[13:23] <pips1> long live highvoltage, our ambassador!
[13:23]  * highvoltage will do some brushing up on social skills
[13:23] <ogra> and get a tie :)
[13:23] <ogra> :P
[13:24] <highvoltage> what? I always wear a tie!
[13:24] <RichEd> he said he would answer and give comments .. the idea is to "pioneer manually" and then get to a workkable web form with radio buttons ansd checkboxe
[13:24] <pips1> ah
[13:24] <RichEd> *workable *checkboxes
[13:24] <pips1> user-centered design, I like that
[13:25] <RichEd> so that the "ambassador role" becomes less question & answer and more respond to a formatted email
[13:25] <highvoltage> pips1: how is your php, and more specifically, how good are you at integrating with drupal?
[13:25] <highvoltage> pips1: would you be able to put together those forms?
[13:25] <RichEd> also, if people see a list of categories saying: are you able to do "xx yy zz" then they may connect with a category
[13:26]  * ogra knows flint just loves php :P
[13:26] <stgraber> I can give a hand with drupal php code
[13:26] <pips1> I assume you are talking about some sort of "refined" contact form that sends an email to you? or what?
[13:26] <stgraber> I already do that all the time with the QA modules for qa.stgraber.org
[13:26] <RichEd> and I also asked : if you had assistance and mentoring, would you be interested in "xx yy zz" as well, to appeal to peoples ambitions
[13:27] <pips1> stgraber great
[13:27] <pips1> there might not be much coding needed though...
[13:27] <pips1> drupal already provides a lot
[13:27] <pips1> drupal base
[13:27] <pips1> and perhaps contributed drupal modules
[13:28] <stgraber> yes, and writing the module by hand wouldn't take much more than an evening
[13:28] <ogra> i think tech details can be discussed off-meeting :)
[13:28] <pips1> right
[13:29] <pips1> sure, but it would be good to discuss the goal :-)
[13:29] <ogra> lets get finished :) (quick rundown of community/management from RichEd )
[13:29] <pips1> perhaps the goal is already clear, but I simply don't know because I wasn't there last meeting :-)
[13:30] <RichEd> well community is just the exercise described above ... to match volunteers to categories & work tasks
[13:30] <RichEd> in addition, reviewing launchpad groups ... as we said at last weeks meeting, a prune to revitalist the living branches
[13:30] <RichEd> revitalise ...
[13:31] <pips1> so you imagine some single entry-page with some sort of "wizard" / form, that will direct interested people to the correct (online) resources?
[13:31] <RichEd> so to recap, i'm mailing each group member list and manager saying that we have guidelines for education groups, and we expect:
[13:31] <RichEd> * a decent wiki page explaining the aims of their group
[13:32] <RichEd> * and attendance or representation at (at least) a monthly education / edubuntu meeting
[13:33] <pips1> ok
[13:33] <RichEd> pips1: the form will probably spit a mail to one person (the ambassador) ... and also send a welcome and thank you email to the person filling in the form
[13:33] <pips1> ok
[13:33] <RichEd> we do not really want to fully process automate it ... more just to get people thinking "hey i could do that"
[13:34] <pips1> I have a printout of the edubuntu related launchpad teams right next to me, with some notes i took on how many members and how active / stale they are.
[13:34] <RichEd> and to hook them into a quick "fill out and get response" action item
[13:34] <RichEd> ( pips1: ^ great ... can you mail that to me ? )
[13:35] <pips1> I could quickly type up a summary of my LP team notes and send them to you , if that is helpful
[13:35] <pips1> ok, consider it done :-)
[13:35] <RichEd> pips1: or add here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/Launchpad/Groups/Consolidate?highlight=%28launchpad%29
[13:36] <pips1> just to summarise quick: there are a total of 19 teams with "edubuntu" in the name. 10 of those teams are managed by people i recognize/know
[13:37] <RichEd> the problem we talked about last week regarding volunteering was that someone might suggest getting involved, be sent to the "community how you could help page" and in the real world think, I'll come back to look at that properly when I have got this damn LTSP working
[13:38] <RichEd> with the indended route, if someone talks about helping, we can send them an email with a "pop here to fill in a form" and "meet the ambasador"
[13:38] <RichEd> that should hook in more to getting an actual connection going
[13:38] <pips1> The LP teams where I don't know the team admin by name are all Local teams
[13:39] <RichEd> on the management side ... I hev been tasked with getting documentation together to influence deecision makers ... educational and OEM etc.
[13:39] <pips1> belgian bolivian brasil italian chile edubuntu-fr
[13:39] <RichEd> why ubuntu for education
[13:39] <RichEd> reference cases
[13:39] <RichEd> and an education solutions area off the ubuntu web site
[13:40] <RichEd> --- that's what i am busy with now ---
[13:40] <pips1> ic
[13:40] <RichEd> oh and some news .... ubuntu is selected on the shortlist for the russian schools tender ...
[13:41] <pips1> nice

[13:41] <RichEd> I'm delighted to inform You Ubuntu will be one of 4 Linux distros (Alt Linux, Scientific Linux, Mandriva.ru) used in Russian Schools Linux
[13:41] <RichEd> > > pilot.
[13:41] <RichEd> > >
[13:41] <RichEd> > > It is expected to install Linux in 3 different regions in order to
[13:41] <RichEd> > > evaluate opportunity to migrate majority of Russian schools (~600K PC)
[13:42] <RichEd> > > to FOSS.
[13:42] <RichEd> > > Ubuntu will be installed and tested in Tatarstan region (capital - Kazan city).Contract was won by Russian system integrator RBC-soft. Subcontractor > > responsible for Ubuntu installation and maintenance is VNIINS
[13:42]  * ogra applauds
[13:42] <ogra> note that we mostly oew RichEd for that, he went to the necessary meetings for that :)
[13:42] <ogra> *oew
[13:42] <RichEd> this is early release news, i'll find out more this week and discuss next week ...
[13:42] <ogra> *owe
[13:42] <ogra> gah
[13:43] <RichEd> ogra: mainly vlad ... not me
[13:43] <ogra> well, you travelled there to present edubuntu/ubuntu :)
[13:43] <RichEd> they want to partner / share with other countries ... so ogra will help introduce them to guadalinex
[13:44] <RichEd> note also that the region in question is turkish, not russian, so more language efforts = Tartar
[13:44] <pips1> Scientific Linux... I met one of the guys a couple of weeks ago
[13:45] <RichEd> --- and that's all from me for this week ---
[13:45]  * RichEd needs to get back to his doc work for a meeting coming up
[13:45] <RichEd> but would also like to make next weeks meeting a good community discussion ... pips1 ? follow up on the launchpad and ambassador stuff
[13:46] <pips1> ok, will do
[13:46] <RichEd> get an agreed "welcome email" and also "web form questions" that people are happy with
[13:47] <pips1>  ^^^ you are saying we should discuss those two points next meeting, right?
[13:47] <pips1> so we need two wiki pages with the drafts...
[13:47] <ogra> yeah, let him go back to work ... he's got  busy day :)
[13:48] <pips1> fine with me, need to go too (my wife needs help)
[13:49] <pips1> I'll send my LP team notes to RichEd later today
[13:49] <ogra> dont let your baby starve then :)
[13:49] <ogra> ok
[13:49] <pips1> she wont
[13:49] <ogra> any other business ? :)
[13:49] <ogra> going once ....
[13:49] <RichEd> pips1: i'll have a draft up on a wiki page ready for next week ... will send you an pre-view for early comment
[13:49] <ogra> going twice ....
[13:50] <pips1> RichEd: great
[13:50]  * ogra hits the gong ...
[13:50] <ogra> adjourned, thanks everybody
[13:50] <pips1> cheers
[13:50] <ogra> :)
[16:04] <bryce> morning
[16:06] <slangasek> bryce: oh, you didn't get the memo sent at 2am local time either, telling us there was no meeting today? :-)
[16:07] <bryce> dahhh
[18:40] <mr_pouit> @schedule
[18:40] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 05 Dec 20:30: Xubuntu meeting | 12 Dec 23:00: Kubuntu Developers | 18 Dec 15:00: Server Team meeting
[18:40] <mr_pouit> @schedule Paris
[18:40] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 05 Dec 21:30: Xubuntu meeting | 13 Dec 00:00: Kubuntu Developers | 18 Dec 16:00: Server Team meeting
[18:41] <seisen> @schedule New York
[18:41] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 05 Dec 15:30: Xubuntu meeting | 12 Dec 18:00: Kubuntu Developers | 18 Dec 10:00: Server Team meeting
[18:56]  * pedro_ waves
[18:57]  * ogasawara is here
[18:59]  * bdmurray jumps up and down
[18:59] <pedro_> hah
[18:59]  * heno waves
[18:59] <heno> welcome all
[18:59] <heno> #startmeeting
[18:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:59. The chair is heno.
[18:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:00] <heno> I added a topic since the email went out
[19:01] <heno> [TOPIC] Dapper verification testing - does the QA team have any oustanding tests here?
[19:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Dapper verification testing - does the QA team have any oustanding tests here?
[19:01] <heno> bdmurray: I know you have been working on this
[19:01] <heno> and reported a failed test
[19:01] <heno> what's the status of that?
[19:02] <bdmurray> heno: I think there are a couple more I could do
[19:02] <bdmurray> I don't recall the failed test you are talking about
[19:04] <heno> bdmurray: bug 153152
[19:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153152 in hplip "[Gutsy SRU request] Fax utility not adding files to job." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153152
[19:04] <heno> looks like work is ongoing to re-fix it
[19:04] <heno> arg, gutsy, sorry
[19:05] <heno> nevermind :)
[19:05] <heno> bug 57233 and bug 164449 are the main blockers ATM AFAIK
[19:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57233 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Minor revision 2.6.15-26 doesn't detect attached SCSI disks to LSI 1030ST" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57233
[19:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164449 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.15 "undefined symbols in mptspi driver" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164449
[19:06] <heno> ogasawara, bdmurray: is any of this stuff we can test?
[19:06] <heno> or does it need special HW?
[19:07] <ogasawara> heno:  I don't have the hw for 57233
[19:07] <bdmurray> heno: nor I
[19:08] <heno> I have a conf call about this tomorrow. I'd appreciate a review of what's going on with those two bugs from ogasawara (technical background so I can grok the issues) and an overview from bdmurray on what testing we have done for 6.06.2 and what else we might contribute
[19:08]  * ogasawara nods
[19:08] <heno> bdmurray, ogasawara: could you email me your views on that today?
[19:08] <bdmurray> heno: no problem
[19:09] <ogasawara> heno: I'll send it after the meeting
[19:09] <heno> thanks!
[19:09] <heno> [TOPIC] No-package bug-day
[19:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  No-package bug-day
[19:09] <heno> How is it going? :)
[19:09] <pedro_> I'm getting flooded by bug email that's a good sign :-)
[19:10] <heno> the green on the page looks nice and the graph too :)
[19:10] <bdmurray> Pretty well, I think.
[19:10] <bdmurray> The graph shows some huge drops due to some work I did earlier this week
[19:10] <heno> seems people have made a head start
[19:10] <bdmurray> I've stopped that for today though so it only shows bug day work.
[19:11] <heno> ok
[19:11] <bdmurray> We had some help on the list from the LoCo teams last Friday
[19:11] <heno> what packages do these end up with mostly?
[19:11] <heno> just a rough idea
[19:11] <bdmurray> I'd guess kernel
[19:12] <bdmurray> However, I think I could write a query to find out better
[19:13] <heno> bdmurray: will the new kernel package appear automatically on the top 100 bug list or do you have to add it?
[19:13] <heno> It had 50 when I looked this morning
[19:13] <bdmurray> heno: It will have to be added and that was done yesterday
[19:14] <heno> ah, thanks
[19:15] <heno> bdmurray: to http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/testing_graphs/ ? I don't see it
[19:16] <bdmurray> In the "complete-graphs" section - http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/linux/
[19:18] <heno> ok, the ng-graphs. must update my bookmarks :)
[19:18] <heno> [TOPIC] Selecting the next bug day theme. see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/BugDayFocus
[19:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Selecting the next bug day theme. see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/BugDayFocus
[19:18] <heno> should we be doing this at the meetings or is this done by decree of the bugmaster? ;)
[19:19] <bdmurray> I'm open to discussing it, but reserve the right to veto. ;)
[19:20] <Burgundavia> why not have people suggest this to bdmurrary and then he chooses?
[19:20] <Burgundavia> this suggestion stuff should probably happen out of band, to avoid wasting time at meetings
[19:21] <heno> Burgundavia: there is already a list of the key candidates at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/BugDayFocus , but yeah
[19:21] <Burgundavia> just my 2 cents, butting out now
[19:21] <heno> ok, so moving on :)
[19:21] <heno> [TOPIC] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/TODO - any takers for these?
[19:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/TODO - any takers for these?
[19:21] <bdmurray> I think it is important that the package that we pick have debugging documentation and a stock reply
[19:22] <ogasawara> bdmurray: +1
[19:22] <heno> bdmurray: good point
[19:22] <bdmurray> So with that in mind it might be worth letting the compiz people know that they are a candidate for a bug day but we would need some stuff from them
[19:22] <heno> I've added a point about wiki pages to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/TODO
[19:23] <ogasawara> I'll sign myself to some tasks on the the TODO
[19:23] <pedro_> I'll take the tags ones
[19:23] <ogasawara> cool, I'll take the 1st replies then
[19:23] <bdmurray> My intent with the To Do list was to have stuff for the community to do
[19:23] <bdmurray> Not y'all
[19:24] <pedro_> sourcercito: wanna take some ? :-)
[19:24] <heno> davmor2 also adds by email: "I would however like to ask if we could have a pop at improving the docs for the team. "
[19:24] <heno> sound like he's volunteering for that then ;)
[19:25] <heno> I wondered if we should add a 'was this page useful?' question to our pages
[19:25] <sourcercito> i'll take the tags task
[19:25] <heno> and set up a malone product to track improvement requests on the debugging pages
[19:25] <sourcercito> if it's ok
[19:26] <pedro_> sourcercito: it's totally ok, thanks you!
[19:26] <heno> then we can assign those bugs to the responsible devs :)
[19:26] <sourcercito> noprob, anytime
[19:26] <bdmurray> In regards to the tags task I had a larger idea about that
[19:26] <bdmurray> The tags for a package should be listed at it's debugging page and the Bugs/Tags page should have an include for specific packages
[19:27] <bdmurray> To reduce redundancy and number of places to edit things
[19:28] <heno> you still have some generic tags, but yeah that makes sense
[19:28] <heno> how many tags do we expect for a given package though?
[19:29] <bdmurray> heno: in regards to the was this helpful maybe a table a the bottom with || Helped || Didn't Help ||  ?
[19:29] <heno> the kernel will have up to 10 perhaps, nm 2-3?
[19:29] <heno> bdmurray: yeah, where would the links go?
[19:29] <bdmurray> I personally think that going forward tags will be a useful to divide a package with a lot of bugs into more managable subgroups.
[19:29] <bdmurray> s/useful/useful way/
[19:30] <heno> we need a voting plugin moin ...
[19:30] <heno> bdmurray: so you imagine the same tags being used on a range of packages then
[19:31] <bdmurray> So the number of tags could grow a fair bit - especially with the kernel
[19:31] <bdmurray> heno: I think some tags apply across packages (metabug) and some can subdivide a package (feisty2gutsy for update-manager)
[19:31] <bdmurray> The majority being useful to subdivide a package
[19:31] <heno> ok, as long as we are systematic about it, that sounds fine
[19:32] <bdmurray> sourcercito: If you just want to add the tags to the Bugs/Tags page though that would be great.
[19:32] <heno> should we visit this TODO list regularly at these meetings?
[19:33] <sourcercito> bdmurray, sure
[19:33] <heno> ok, next
[19:33] <heno> [TOPIC] UDS activity report posted here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Boston/Proceedings
[19:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS activity report posted here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Boston/Proceedings
[19:34] <heno> This is just FYI, since I asked for input last time
[19:34] <pedro_> cool!
[19:34] <bdmurray> Looked good to me
[19:35] <ogasawara> same here
[19:35] <heno> [TOPIC] Moving kernel bugs to the 'linux' package - how is that going; how can others help? -- https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/
[19:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Moving kernel bugs to the 'linux' package - how is that going; how can others help? -- https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/
[19:36] <heno> 56 bugs so far
[19:36] <heno> that may grow
[19:36] <ogasawara> I'm sure it will
[19:36] <ogasawara> I've done most of the 'hardy-kernel-candidate' ones
[19:36] <ogasawara> there's just a handfull left that I'm waiting for responses on
[19:37] <heno> I'm surprised there weren't more. Did you close some along the way?
[19:37] <ogasawara> yah
[19:37] <bdmurray> ogasawara: did you look into disabling the l-s-2.6.24 package somehow?
[19:37] <ogasawara> bdmurray: haven't looked into that yet
[19:37] <heno> right, so these are ones where the sumbitters are active, cool
[19:38] <ogasawara> heno: there are a lot of existing bugs in Gutsy that still need to be addressed
[19:38] <heno> does apport DTRT now with package name?
[19:38] <ogasawara> no idea
[19:38] <bdmurray> I don't think apport reports kernel crashes yet
[19:39] <heno> ogasawara: indeed. Is there a plan/schedule for that; can other's help?
[19:39] <ogasawara> other's can definitely help
[19:39] <bdmurray> We should be able to automate some of that
[19:39] <ogasawara> I've got a stock reply for testing the Hardy kernel
[19:39] <heno> would a bug day be appropriate?
[19:39] <ogasawara> definitely
[19:39] <bdmurray> I think we should wait until there is a Live CD with 2.6.24 though
[19:39] <heno> I guess volunteers often find kernel bugs tricky to triage
[19:40] <ogasawara> bdmurray: agreed.  I think reporters are a little hesitant to manually install
[19:40] <bdmurray> When is Alpha 2 scheduled for?
[19:40] <pedro_> is that planned for an Alpha?
[19:40] <pedro_> jeje
[19:40] <ogasawara> Alpha2 should have the new Hardy kernel
[19:40] <heno> dec 19th?
[19:41] <bdmurray> That's unfortunate with the brak
[19:41] <bdmurray> s/brak/break/
[19:41] <ogasawara> oh yah
[19:41] <heno> 20th in fact
[19:41] <heno> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[19:43] <heno> we could do a kernel day the 19th ; it should be on the CDs by then
[19:44] <ogasawara> sounds good to me
[19:44] <heno> I'll make some periodic stabs at Gutsy kernel bugs as well (seeking guidance when needed)
[19:44] <heno> great, any other topics?
[19:45] <bdmurray> Any news on qa.ubuntu.com?
[19:46] <heno> I met with James yesterday and made the case for it again ...
[19:46] <heno> So, any day now :)
[19:46] <heno> We are not the only team having some trouble with this :/
[19:47] <heno> There are no real blockers apart from IS time
[19:47] <bdmurray> Okay.
[19:48] <bdmurray> I'm surprised at the quantity of bugs without a package coming in.
[19:48] <heno> bdmurray: I'll follow up with an email. could you send me a bullet point list of how you want to use the machines, for graphs queries etc.?
[19:49] <bdmurray> heno: sure
[19:49] <heno> bdmurray: coming in just now, or the existing pile?
[19:49] <bdmurray> It seems like every 5th bug or so doesn't have one
[19:50] <bdmurray> And assigning packages is not something I want to do all the time
[19:50] <ogasawara> bdmurray:
[19:50] <ogasawara> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[19:50] <bdmurray> So I think we need to better advertise FindRightPackage and Help -> Report a problem
[19:50] <ogasawara> so I was noticing on there the "report a new bug" link defaults to just Ubuntu
[19:51] <bdmurray> Right, but before that I've put in the 2 things I just mentioned
[19:51] <heno> the LP page should have links to info and we should circulate links better
[19:51] <bdmurray> Maybe writing up Help -> Report a problem for the Fridge would help
[19:51] <bdmurray> Burgundavia: we could do that right?
[19:52] <heno> anyone care to comment on my mail to to bugsquad list about advertising these pages
[19:52] <heno> that's a good idea
[19:53] <bdmurray> heno: I personally try to educate bug reporters when I modify the bug and have added some of that to the Bugs/Replies page
[19:53] <bdmurray> Information about how to change the status of a bug and the importance of reporting it about a package etc
[19:54] <heno> yes, it could link to an even more generic page though
[19:54] <heno> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures IMO
[19:55] <bdmurray> I think that is reasonable for the domain specific stock replies
[19:55] <heno> and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs even
[19:55] <Burgundavia> bdmurray: absolutely
[19:56] <bdmurray> "Please include the information requested at BLAH which is part of the Debugging Procedures page at BLAH-BLAH"
[19:56] <heno> creating a header linking between the pages will help
[19:56] <bdmurray> s/page/series/
[19:57] <heno> For further information on debugging see <URL>
[19:58] <heno> Ok, so we are 1 min from an hour
[19:58] <heno> let's close the meeting here
[19:58] <heno> #endmeeting
[19:58] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:58.
[19:59] <heno> we can continue in #u-bugs and #u-testing
[19:59] <heno> thanks everyone!
[19:59] <pedro_> thanks!
[20:33] <oldmanstan> so... meeting? :)
[20:34] <posingaspopular> is it now oldmanstan?
[20:35] <seisen> hello gentlemen
[20:39] <posingaspopular> seisen: is there a specific agenda for this meeting?
[20:40] <oldmanstan> it's on the wiki somewhere
[20:40] <oldmanstan> hit up the fridge events calendar
[20:41] <seisen> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47015/
[20:41]  * posingaspopular is looking at it atm
[20:42] <posingaspopular> how many more people are we waiting on?
[20:51] <mr_pouit> I guess everyone (4?) is here... :/
[20:51] <posingaspopular> is Cody supposed to be here mr_pouit?
[20:52] <mr_pouit> yes
[20:52] <mr_pouit> (well, at least he didn't say the contrary ^^)
[20:54] <posingaspopular> he's on in the -doc chan or -xubuntu so im going to assume he's not online
[20:57] <seisen> so are we having a meeting
[21:00] <posingaspopular> im okay with having a meeting. how many people normally show up? im usually afk during these meetings.
[21:01] <mr_pouit> well, not so many, so I guess we can start ;)
[21:01] <seisen> I have no idea this is my first one
[21:08] <mr_pouit> anyway, we can try to do it now
[21:13] <seisen> if I want to help with the Xubuntu Documentation you should I send an email too
[21:18] <oldmanstan> seisen: me :)
[21:19] <oldmanstan> you can send mail to the regular ubuntu docs list (just include xubuntu in the subject)
[21:19] <seisen> ok thanks does it matter I haven't worked on the documentation before
[21:20] <posingaspopular> nope!
[21:20] <oldmanstan><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:20] <posingaspopular> seisen: join #ubuntu-doc as well
[21:20] <seisen> I'm on there right now
[21:20] <oldmanstan> that is the address seisen, register at lists.ubuntu.com
[21:20] <seisen> already ready registered
[21:20] <oldmanstan> ok cool
[21:21] <oldmanstan> yeah, as long as xubuntu is in the subject line somebody will see it
[21:21] <seisen> ok
[21:21] <oldmanstan> i also lurk on #xubuntu-devel, we talk about docs on there a lot
[21:22] <seisen> ok how do you become a xubuntu developer anyway
[21:22] <oldmanstan> contribute many patches and then they eventually give you access to the repos
[21:23] <seisen> ok I have no idea what you are talking about
[21:23] <mr_pouit> seisen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted ;)
[21:24] <oldmanstan> docs is a good place to start if you aren't up on packaging and such
[21:24] <seisen> thanks mr_pouit
[21:24] <seisen> ya I think I will stick with the docs for now
[21:25] <oldmanstan> ok, so no meeting i assume, peace all


[18:15] <DaveMorris1> Couple of running issues I'm having with 12.04.
[18:15] <DaveMorris1> 1. Mythnetvision: I can't seem to get it to update the RSS feed for BBC iPlayer (not tried other feeds tbh), I do menu -> update RSS feeds but nothing changes.  My feeds are from Sep 2011
[18:15] <DaveMorris1> 2. After upgrading the advert detection no longer works on channels it previously worked on.  All it simply does is remove 5 mins from the start (5 is the configured max advert break)
[20:36] <DaveMorris1> Did anyone by chance answer my questions whilst I was gone?
[20:55] <rhpot1991> DaveMorris1: nope
[20:55] <rhpot1991> DaveMorris1: #2 I'd go tweak the commflag settings which are in mythtv-setup I believe
[20:55] <rhpot1991> that or in the general section of mythtv-frontend > setip
[20:56] <DaveMorris1> yeah, the frontend has it set to use all available methods
[21:00] <rhpot1991> IIRC there is an option for how strict somewhere
[22:40] <DaveMorris1> quick question before I head to bed
[22:40] <DaveMorris1> the recording rule editing all seems to have changed
[22:40] <DaveMorris1> and I can no longer edit rules nor seem to create new ones.  Has it been simplified or am I setup badly
[23:04] <rhpot1991> DaveMorris1: where at?
[23:04] <rhpot1991> in mythweb it is significantly different
[23:04] <rhpot1991> but all should work


[01:32] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: sticers = stickers
[11:57] <popey> Just OTA updated my rc-proposed turbo and it's been sat at the meizu logo for some considerable time (relatively)
[11:58] <popey> mzanetti: you have a turbo on rc-proposed? Updated to latest image just released about 30 mins ago?
[12:02] <popey> seems to be bug 1595933
[12:26] <jibel> popey, it's all devices
[12:56] <jgdx> jibel, not mako
[12:56] <jgdx> … at 470 anyway
[12:56] <jibel> jgdx, interesting. mako on which channel?
[12:57] <jgdx> jibel, rc proposed
[12:57] <jibel> jgdx, ubuntu or bq-aquaris.en?
[12:57] <jgdx> jibel, ubuntu
[12:58] <jgdx> but my turbo is busted
[12:58] <jibel> ChrisTownsend, ^ the libertine stuff is not on ubuntu only custom tarballs?
[12:59] <ChrisTownsend> jibel: libertine is in the base image now
[13:00] <jibel> ChrisTownsend, right but is there anything related in the custom tarball that could affect the boot?
[13:01] <ChrisTownsend> jibel: Umm, not that I know of, but I really don't have anything to do with the custom tarball other than the puritine click and libertine-scope are there and those are unchanged.
[13:02] <bregma> ChrisTownsend, is it at all possible the puritine click hook is causing the restart hang after the libertine upgrade?
[13:02] <jibel> bregma, it also happens during a fresh flash
[13:03] <ChrisTownsend> bregma: It wasn't hanging before and the only change this affects is making a missing directory and that was in libertine-tools.
[13:04] <ChrisTownsend> bregma: biometry-d to me seems more like a culprit
[13:04] <ChrisTownsend> Being a brand new package and all.
[13:04] <bregma> right, I reviewd the libertine MP and that's all it does, but I just want to be sure creating that directory does not trigger some untoward behaviour in the puritine click
[13:05] <ChrisTownsend> bregma: I don't see how at all.
[13:05] <bregma> I'm more than pleased to point my finger at someone else's package as the culprit if it's true
[13:05] <ChrisTownsend> bregma: Well, all I'm basing my opinion on is what I know about what changed in Libertine and a gut feeling, so no, not real proof:)
[13:06] <popey> fwiw my /var/log/upstart/biometryd.log is full of "Failed to instantiate device"
[13:06] <dobey> mardy: ok, so with your branch, i'm just not getting any UI opened at all for Setup::exec() when an account already exists.
[13:06] <ChrisTownsend> That looks quite suspicious.
[13:07] <jgdx> jibel, as soon as I install a silo, mako does not boot. Not sure what that signifies. So maybe disregard above comment for now.
[13:08] <jibel> jgdx, ack
[13:24] <chris___> hi, i would like some advice please
[13:25] <chris___> anyone?
[13:25] <k1l_> just ask
[13:26] <chris___> i am considering intalling ububtu touch to nexus 7
[13:26] <chris___> i have read tutorial
[13:27] <chris___> question is, i am running linux mint on my laptop do i really need ubuntu on my laptop to install touch to nexus?
[13:33] <bozit> h
[13:33] <dobey> oh i guess he didn't want an answer
[13:59] <tuttle955i> Hiya, my bq e5 works great, but my meizu pro5 cannot connect to mobile network, also cannt get mobile data to work =( is this a known bug?
[14:00] <tuttle955i> Have tried full reset, no change
[14:01] <tuttle955i> Seems to have a very low radio signal strength?
[14:13] <ahoneybun> who has control of the topic?
[14:13] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers should be up there
[14:14] <dobey> ahoneybun: it is there
[14:14] <dobey> ahoneybun: "Bug filing: ..."
[14:15] <ahoneybun> oh using a tinyurl
[14:15] <ahoneybun> sorry dobey
[14:15] <ahoneybun> is there a command to share that link?
[14:15] <ahoneybun> !info
[14:15] <ahoneybun> or something
[14:15] <dobey> i don't know, i guess the bot probably doesn't have one
[14:15] <dobey> !avengers
[14:16] <dobey> ubot5: don't message me that you don't know, it's a public channel
[15:54] <brunch875> Installed last update on rc-proposed
[15:54] <brunch875> phone stuck at bq splash
[15:55] <brunch875> bricked e4.5 :C
[15:56] <ogra_> brunch875, see above ...
[15:56] <jibel> brunch875, this is bug 1595933, long press the power button until it reboots and second boot should be fine
[15:56] <brunch875> neato
[15:56] <ogra_> (was just discussed a while ago) ... just do a hard reset (hold power button) and it will boot fine
[15:57] <brunch875> kudos for non-brick!
[15:57] <brunch875> to be honest I was expecting it to brick some time since not on stable channel
[15:57] <ogra_> well, even on rc-proposed this is very rare
[15:57] <ogra_> but yeah it happens at times ... the fun of living on the edge
[18:28] <pleia2> hi there! I have a few questions, if someone could point me in the right direction
[18:29] <pleia2> I have the touch image installed on my Nexus 7 2013 and have been upgrading it along for over a year now, it's now at version 20160222-020405
[18:29] <popey> yo
[18:29] <pleia2> and says r8 in some places
[18:30] <pleia2> so I'm wondering 1) is this the newest version I can get for the N7? if not, how do I upgrade/reflash it?
[18:30] <pleia2> the flashing instructions all seem to be for android + debug mode, and I can't get adb to see my tablet when it's plugged in and running ubuntu
[18:30] <popey> hm, I think 9 should be latest
[18:30] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-11 according to that, nexus 7 (flo) is #9
[18:31] <pleia2> ah, it won't upgrade any further in the UI
[18:31] <pleia2> keep checking for updates in the hopes of something coming, the apps update, but not the OS
[18:31] <popey> do you have the terminal installed, or can you "adb shell" into the device?
[18:32] <popey> so we can run commands
[18:33] <pleia2> I have a terminal on the tablet, but 'adb devices' doesn't show it when I try to get to it from my desktop
[18:33] <popey> ok, on the device can you do this:-
[18:33] <popey> system-image-cli --info | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:33] <popey> and post the url here pls?
[18:33] <pleia2> k
[18:36] <pleia2> sigh, launching a terminal is just giving me a big white screen
[18:36] <popey> well thats not expected
[18:36] <pleia2> tried rebooting, now just going to let it sit for a few minutes to see if it resolves itself
[18:37] <popey> ok, we can try from your pc.
[18:37] <popey> system settings on the tablet has an about -> developer mode
[18:37] <popey> switch that on to enable "adb" from your pc
[18:37] <popey> then you can run the above command from inside adb
[18:37] <popey> i have a nexus 7 2013 here, so can compare
[18:38] <pleia2> hooray, adb sees it now, thanks
[18:39] <popey> for reference, this is what mine shows http://termbin.com/uegx
[18:41] <pleia2> meh Configuration directory not found: /etc/system-image/config.d
[18:41] <popey> waat
[18:42] <pleia2> maybe a relic from the ancient version of system-image-cli I'm using?
[18:42] <popey> hm
[18:42] <popey> i have never seen that message before
[18:42] <popey> i mean, if system-image-cli can't run, that says something is a bit busted
[18:43] <pleia2> looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image/+bug/1460262 now
[18:43] <popey> you're certain you're running the command on the device, and not been booted out of adb (which sometimes happens)
[18:43] <popey> that very old
[18:43] <popey> ooh, do you have a root prompt or phablet@ prompt?
[18:44] <popey> the quick/easy way out of this is a re-flash tbh
[18:44] <popey> ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu --device=flo
[18:44] <popey> (from your pc)
[18:45] <pleia2> welp, now it's just closing my shell on me with error: closed
[18:45] <pleia2> I think it's time to reflash, it's getting crusty anyway
[18:46] <popey> heh
[18:46] <popey> if it has no valuable data, you can add --wipe to ^ that command
[18:46] <popey> or leave it off and it will keep data/apps
[18:46] <pleia2> 2016/06/24 11:46:52 Target device cannot be reached over adb
[18:47] <pleia2> /o\
[18:47] <popey> ok, probably time for a wipe, nuke from orbit
[18:47] <popey> if you "adb reboot recovery" and then do "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu --device=flo --wipe"
[18:48] <pleia2> ok, rebooting
[18:48] <popey> if the adb reboot recovery doesn't work you can reboot, hold power and vol- (or vol+, I forget) to get into recovery mode
[18:48] <pleia2> it listened to that command!
[18:48] <popey> \o/
[18:48] <popey> its in recovery?
[18:48] <pleia2> yeah, giving me a menu of options
[18:48] <popey> sweet
[18:48] <pleia2> wipe data/factory reset, wipe cache partition, etc
[18:48] <popey> so the u-d-f may work now :)
[18:49] <popey> (with --wipe) (which will wipe the entire device - note)
[18:49] <pleia2> can run while on this menu screen?
[18:49] <popey> i think so, yes
[18:49] <pleia2> yes, be gone with it!
[18:49] <pleia2> ok, that seems to be working :)
[18:49] <pleia2> thank you
[18:49] <popey> \o/
[18:50] <popey> huzzah
[18:50] <popey> somewhere near the top of the command output it might mention that it's image #9
[18:51] <pleia2> yeah, it did
[18:51] <pleia2> "Flashing version 9" :)
[18:52] <pleia2> so what's the difference between this and what I have on my m10? (can point me to docs if you want)
[18:52] <pleia2> m10 has ota11
[18:52] <popey> same url as before
[18:52] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-11
[18:53] <popey> they'll be identical
[18:53] <popey> #9 _is_ OTA 11 on flo
[18:53] <popey> unfortunately all the image numbers don't line up
[18:53] <pleia2> ah, neat
[18:53] <popey> because sometimes we have to crank a new image just for one device
[18:53]  * pleia2 nods
[18:53] <popey> we don't crank a new image for every device
[18:53] <popey> also older ones like bq e4.5 have many images due to time
[18:54] <pleia2> I see
[18:54] <popey> i think that's why we now expose the OTA number in the UI - we didn't used to
[18:54] <popey> which made it even harder, we had to have a magic decoder ring to figure out what you're on
[18:55] <pleia2> yeah :)
[19:00] <pleia2> booted into the new version, thanks popey :)
[19:02] <peat-psuwit> Have anyone ever encountered this: When trying to select a photo (in Gallary or something) for browser, the Browser is killed and the photo isn't transferred.
[19:03] <pleia2> woo, I can copy/paste my wifi password now (it's 64 characters, paaaaaainful to type)
[19:13] <popey> pleia2: yay
[19:14] <dobey> peat-psuwit: what device? and by "Browser is killed" do you mean the content picker, or the actual webbrowser app?
[19:15] <peat-psuwit> dobey: It's LG L90 Dual (my port) with 1 GB of RAM.
[19:16] <peat-psuwit> dobey: For what's being killed, It's browser itself, because I'm presented with a blurry screenshot of Browser when it comes back.
[19:18] <peat-psuwit> dobey: Actually, I have a bug report with full reproduction process here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-application-lifecycle/+bug/1596059
[19:18] <dobey> no, can't say i've seen that
[21:06] <lars_> Hey guys, I'm thinking about buying an Aquaris E4.5 and concluding my decision. I just read that Facebook blogged the messenger function of the web-app. Is that true?
[21:07] <popey> Some people have found it blocked, yes. Looks like fb are slowly rolling out the block
[21:07] <lars_> I see
[21:08] <lars_> on my laptop I'm using pidgin... can I install such packages (as purple) on the Ubuntuphone? (with some effort)
[21:09] <lars_> ha, and more importantly, can I manage the Ubuntuphone nicely while running Arch on my laptop?
[21:16] <lars_> Someone using the Aquaris E4.5 currently?


[07:08] <YoBoY> good morning
[08:13] <dholbach> good morning
[19:06] <locodir-joelmax> hola
[19:06] <locodir-joelmax> saludos desde republica dominicana
[19:07] <locodir-joelmax> hi
[19:08] <locodir-joelmax> any body want to talk
[21:00] <JanC> hm, just reading a mail we got about how somebody more than succesfully replaced his old iMac (with Mac OS X) used by his family as a "music file server" with a 60 € second hand PC and Ubuntu, and now he thinks to replace WinXP on his children's laptops with Ubuntu too  ☺
[21:02] <JanC> "In ieder geval ben ik aangenaam verrast door de veelzijdigheid van Ubuntu, eigenlijk een equivalent voor Mac OS X" -> "In any case I am pleasantly surprised about the versatility of Ubuntu, actually an equivalent of Mac OS X"


[15:38] <k1l_> littke<EMAIL_ADDRESS>  was testing before the botspam began
[21:09] <k1l_> someone that has voice in #freenode should report that user to the staff
[21:10] <k1l_> KALASH> ubuntu is for niggers. use debian
[21:10] <ikonia> they don't care
[21:10] <ikonia> just keep an eye on the channels we control
[21:14] <k1l_> just kicked from -touch too
[21:34] <elky> should be klined now
[21:34] <elky> will probably return


[13:41] <WoC> is there a separate repo for the kernel in groovy ? i only see the 5.4.x
[14:48] <nicolasbock> You can find 5.8 in groovy-proposed WoC
[15:11] <WoC`> ty <nicolasbock>, how would i enable that repo ?
[15:39] <WoC`> i reckon, if needed, one would have to install 18.04 lts and do do-relase-upgrade up to groovy, that way you would have the sym-link free installatiion
[15:39] <WoC`> afaik, the 18.04 lts has the normal directory structure
[15:40] <WoC`> makes a big difference on aarch64, where storage is usually limited
[15:40] <nicolasbock> Yes you are right, in bionic there aren't any symlinks for /usr
[15:41] <WoC`> but afaik, the only linux distro for aarch64 w/o symlinks in that fassion is gentoo
[15:42] <WoC`> Linux Cursed 5.8.1-pinebookpro-r1-arm64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 18 14:00:51 CDT 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux
[15:42] <WoC`> at last what i've seen


[06:32] <bretth> how do i catch the event when the user clicks on my appindicator?
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:04] <bretth> seems like there are no signals for appindicator
[07:05] <bretth> so to catch the show event, i should listen to the 'map' of the menu inside the appindicator.
[07:09] <bretth> dholbach, do you know how i can catch the signal when the user clicks my appindicator?
[07:11] <bretth> watching the 'map' signal on the menu is not working.
[07:11] <dholbach> bretth, I'm afraid I don't
[07:12] <dholbach> mhall119 or tremolux might know, but they're both in the US, so likely sleeping right now
[07:13] <bretth> no good for us in asia.
[07:13] <dholbach> of course there's more people who know this, but these are the folks I just found in the channel list
[07:14] <dholbach> you could try #ubuntu-desktop too
[07:23] <bretth> ubuntu is lacking polish, how could this be? https://bugs.launchpad.net/screenlets/+bug/522152
[07:23] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 522152 in libappindicator "indicator-application does not send signals when a menu is shown/hidden" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[07:27] <dholbach> bretth, it's open-source - I'm sure they'd welcome a fix
[07:28] <dholbach> hey aquarius, dpm
[07:28] <dholbach> maybe you can help bretth?
 seems like there are no signals for appindicator
[07:28] <dholbach>  so to catch the show event, i should listen to the 'map' of the menu inside the appindicator.
 dholbach, do you know how i can catch the signal when the user clicks my appindicator?
[07:29] <aquarius> hrm. I didn't know that your app *could* react to the menu being shown (can I ask why if needs to?)
[07:30] <aquarius> (er, why *it* needs to)
[07:30] <bretth> aquarius, i want to fill it with dynamic data
[07:30] <dpm> bretth, I'm lacking a bit of context, but have you had a look at the code samples on http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/application-indicators/
[07:31] <aquarius> bretth, and you don't want to update the menu when the data changes?
[07:31] <bretth> i only want to update the menu if its shown, because there might be alot of updates.
[07:31] <aquarius> k
[07:32] <aquarius> hrm. Am trying to work out which other indicators might do this, to serve as an example.
[07:32] <aquarius> the weather indicator, perhaps?
[07:34] <aquarius> ah, no, the weather indicator refreshes in the background.
[07:42] <aquarius> and you can't connect to your menu's map signal because it's not actually *your* menu that's being mapped, it's dbusmenu's copy of your menu, and dbusmenu doesn't send the map signal back to you (I've just
[07:42] <aquarius> ...tried it)
[07:45] <Phoenix87> bretth: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libappindicator/+bug/522152
[07:45] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 522152 in libappindicator "indicator-application does not send signals when a menu is shown/hidden" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[07:46] <aquarius> https://bugs.launchpad.net/screenlets/+bug/522152 is relevant here, I think; it's marked as "wishlist
[07:46] <aquarius> heh, Phoenix87 is faster than I :)
[07:47] <Phoenix87> eheh
[07:47] <Phoenix87> bretth: did you try connecting to the menu's draw signal?
[07:48] <bretth> Phoenix87, yes
[07:49] <Phoenix87> hmm
[07:49] <bretth> i tried them all, 'map' 'map-event', 'expose', 'realize'
[07:49] <Phoenix87> bretth: so i guess the indicator is not handling all the signals :\
[07:50] <Phoenix87> bretth: did you try the same on child items?
[07:51] <bretth> not yet, i'm trying that next
[07:51] <Phoenix87> ok
[07:51] <davidcalle> dpm, hey
[07:52] <Phoenix87> bretth: if that fails too you could create a timer thread that checks the visibility of the menu at regular intervals, though this might waste resources unnecessarily :\
[07:52] <bretth> might waste?
[07:52] <dpm> morning davidcalle
[07:52] <bretth> it will waste.
[07:52] <aquarius> bretth, I imagine that dholbach has already told you this, but the person to talk to is tedg, who will be around in six hours or so
[07:53] <Phoenix87> bretth: well you basically have a loop that checks the widget status every, say, 1 millisecond
[07:53] <davidcalle> dpm, morning, do you know if .extras packages use the myapps description? I believe you told me they did, but apparently they still don't.
[07:53] <bretth> ok, i'll talk to tedg later.
[07:53] <aquarius> bah, don't spin your app every millisecond. I have a battery here :) bretth is already wise enough to not do that :)
[07:55] <dpm> davidcalle, I'm not sure if it was me who told you, but I believe they don't - they use the description in debian/control, only commercial apps in private PPAs use the myapps description, afaik. But mvo can probably confirm that.
[07:56] <davidcalle> dpm, thanks
[07:56] <dpm> np
[11:08] <mister> Is it possible to dynamically update label of a menu item in appindicator?
[11:44] <mister> Is it possible to dynamically update label of a menu item in appindicator?
[13:24] <mhall119> bretth: AFAIK the only signals you can listen to are the MeniItem's "item-activate" signals
[13:25] <mhall119> or the "scroll-event" signal from the indicator itself
[13:25] <mhall119> but nothing on clicking the indicator
[13:25] <bretth> mhall119, i have a workaround, listen to 'activate' on a submenu
[13:26] <bretth> not quite what i wanted, but it works, although not well.
[13:28] <bretth> problem is two 'activate' events will arrive for each mouse over, so now i have to use a timer to filter the 2nd one out.
[15:02] <hakermania> Hey guys. I just received an email saying that my application needs more information. It says: 'Please respond to this request from our approval team, and then resubmit your application' What does it mean "from out approval team"?
[15:02] <hakermania> Just add it as a comment while resubmitting the application in the field that it has there?
[15:09] <hakermania> Hmm... Got it
[15:10] <hakermania> You just have to go back to your application, add a comment there and resubmit, after uploading another ppa
[15:10] <hakermania> Bye :D
[20:04] <luke__> I've made an app using python and I need to run a command when the app installs, how should I do this?
[20:07] <mhall119> luke__: debian/postinst
[20:07] <mhall119> but that's frowned upon
[20:08] <mhall119> what do you need to run on install?
[20:08] <luke__> 'sudo pip install pisa' when I was trying to get the module to install when I was developing, that was what did it, I couldn't apt-get isntall anything that would work.
[20:19] <mhall119> if you need another package installed, put it in the "Depends:
[20:19] <mhall119> if you need another package installed, put it in the "Depends:" line of your debian/control file
[20:20] <mhall119> if it's not in a debian package, but it is in pypi, you'll need to convert it into a .deb package and submit it with your app, otherwise include it in your app's sourcecode
[20:20] <luke__> Right, but is there a way to specify a pip package?
[20:20] <mhall119> as it is, I see python-pisa in the Precise archives, can you use that?
[20:20] <mhall119> no, you can only specify .deb packages
[20:23] <luke__> I think I tried that and it didn't work, but I'll give it a go.
[20:29] <mhall119> do you know what version of pisa you need?
[20:40] <luke__> No, I don't. I tried installing python-pisa but I don't know what I would need to import. I tried import pisa but that gave an import error.
[21:07] <mhall119> luke__: try "from sx import pisa3"
[21:17] <luke__> Thanks, that seems to be working.
[21:58] <Phoenix87> is it possible to prevent a GtkPaned from resizing?
[21:59] <Phoenix87> I mean to keep it locked according to the status of, say, a ToggleButton
[22:24] <mhall119> Phoenix87: that's a good question for askubuntu.com
[22:24] <mhall119> use the application-development tag
[22:24] <Phoenix87> mhall119: cheers :)
[22:35] <Phoenix87> mhall119: I kind of figured that out. Shall I nonetheless post the question and answer it?
[22:36] <mhall119> Phoenix87: it would certainly be helpful to other developers, so yes if you don't mind
[22:37] <Phoenix87> mhall119: ok
[22:59] <Phoenix87> mhall119: http://askubuntu.com/questions/164468/how-to-prevent-the-handle-of-a-gtkpaned-from-being-moved/164469#164469


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[06:33] <pieq> Hi everyone!
[06:34] <pieq> RAOF: hey! Last week we discussed about xrandr being available even on Wayland
[06:34] <RAOF> Indeed we did.
[06:34] <pieq> I wanted to use it to grab the maximum resolution available for the primary monitor, but I found that if I run xrandr on wayland, the maximum resolution shown is the one currently selected
[06:35] <RAOF> Have you run into any of the caveats yet? :)
[06:35] <RAOF> Ah, yes you have.
[06:35] <pieq> for instance, if, on a 3840x2160, I pick a lower resolution (e.g. 2560x1440), then run xrandr, the max resolution shown in the output is 2560x1440
[06:35] <RAOF> So, XWayland is going to synthesise enough xrandr information so that clients can work.
[06:36] <RAOF> But, you can't actually *change* anything through RandR on XWayland.
[06:36] <RAOF> So there's no need for XWayland to expose anything but the current mode, so it doesn't.
[06:36] <pieq> so I'm out of luck with this method if I want to find out the max resolution for a given monitor
[06:36] <pieq> OK I see
[06:36] <RAOF> Yes.
[06:36] <pieq> RAOF: any other route you would suggest?
[06:36] <RAOF> You *might* be able to get away with parsing the EDID?
[06:37] <pieq> how can I achieve that?
[06:38] <RAOF> So, the `edid-decode` package includes a parser.
[06:38] <RAOF> And, assuming that the driver you're interested in supports KMS, you can fetch the EDID from the sysfs tree.
[06:39] <RAOF> Specifically, `/sys/class/drm` will include a bunch of `card?-
[06:40] <RAOF> `card$NUMBER-$CONNECTION_TYPE-$ANOTHER_NUMBER` directories.
[06:41] <RAOF> Which will include an `edid` file if it's available.
[06:41] <RAOF> Now, it will *also* inclued an `edid` file if there's nothing plugged in, but in that case the file will be empty. :{
[06:44] <pieq> RAOF: what about the modes file in these dirs?
[06:44] <RAOF> That might even be a pre-parsed EDID for you, containing just the information you're after?
[06:46] <pieq> RAOF: yes, it seems it includes what I'm looking for. Thanks!
[06:47] <RAOF> In case you want more information, edid-decode will be able to list a whole *bunch* of information about the attached monitor.
[06:49] <pieq> edid-decode does contain a lot of stuff! Thanks for the tip
[06:51] <pieq> RAOF: do you know how xrandr determines what's the "primary" monitor?
[06:51] <duflu> pieq, try 'weston-info'
[06:52] <duflu> Also sorry in advance - I am entering a meeting
[06:52] <pieq> :)
[06:52] <pieq> I'll check it out too
[06:52] <RAOF> pieq: I probably did at one point, but I've forgotten. It could well be set by the desktop environment.
[06:56] <duflu> pieq, also handy:   grep . /sys/class/drm/*/modes
[07:05] <pieq> duflu: yeah, this is what I'm exploring at the moment
[07:05] <pieq> it might be enough, except I don't know how to identify the "primary" monitor
[07:07] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:07] <didrocks> good morning
[07:07] <seb128> lut didrocks ! en forme ? bon weekend?
[07:08] <didrocks> ça va, bon week-end, et toi ?
[07:10] <seb128> nickel, on était dans le nord, weekend reposant
[07:14] <didrocks> super :)
[07:19] <jibel> Good morning all
[07:22] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:33] <duflu> Hi seb128
[07:34] <duflu> Morning didrocks and jibel
[07:34] <seb128> lut jibel
[07:34] <seb128> duflu, hey there :) how was your week away from the computer?
[07:36] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:38] <duflu> seb128, hard work for the first few days. Several hours working outside per day. But I did make real progress inside and outside the house. Not enough though; will need to do it again some time
[07:40] <luna> morning
[07:41] <seb128> hey luna
[07:42] <seb128> duflu, well, at least it's moving in the right direction :)
[07:42] <duflu> Hi luna
[07:57] <schopin> oSoMoN: Hi! I have a potential patch, testing it out right now.
[11:36] <lissyx> oSoMoN, hello
[11:37] <lissyx> oSoMoN, I was looking for you
[11:37] <lissyx> oSoMoN, for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1769958 I cant repro on the latest beta
[11:37] <oSoMoN> lissyx, hi, let me check
[11:37] <lissyx> oSoMoN, and unfortunately even if I login with my launchpad account, I cant install an earlier beta build with snap
[11:38] <lissyx> having hada look at the snap packaging, it seems there's no real difference between 101.0b8 and latest 102 beta, so I assume if it was fixed, it's somewhere else
[11:38] <lissyx> but I first would like to verify I can repro this on 101.0b8 as reported on bugzilla
[11:46] <oSoMoN> yeah there's no way to get to old builds easily, but I'll test myself and will report back on the bug
[11:48] <diddledani> ello. who's the expert on powersaving features? specifically every time I leave my puter on overnight allowing the screens to be put into standby, whenever I get back in the morning I can't bring them back to life. I'd like some debugging ideas 'cos I'm unfamiliar with the powersaving backends. I am able to ssh into the machine from another so the system isn't dead
[11:51] <lissyx> oSoMoN, but isn't there a way I can get the credentials or the builds?
[11:51] <lissyx> it would reduce your load
[11:52] <oSoMoN> lissyx, do you have access to https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/snaps/firefox/revisions/ ?
[11:53] <lissyx> nope
[11:53] <lissyx> 404
[11:53] <oSoMoN> :/
[11:54] <ricotz> oSoMoN, the Build URL should be public, which you can find on snapcraft for a specific build
[11:55] <ricotz> there you have a direct link to the snap file
[11:55] <lissyx> and I can install that manually directly ?
[11:55] <oSoMoN> yes, but it looks like Launchpad isn't keeping the snap around for too long: https://launchpad.net/~mozilla-snaps/firefox/+snap/firefox-snap-beta/+build/1766755
[11:56] <ricotz> ah :(
[11:56] <oSoMoN> (that's for 101b8-1 / amd64)
[11:56] <lissyx> I have a git clone of the repo
[11:57] <oSoMoN> lissyx, FWIW I can't reproduce the issue in an Ubuntu 22.04 VM
[11:57] <lissyx> with 101.0b8 ?
[11:57] <oSoMoN> yes
[11:57] <lissyx> could it be a snap change then?
[11:57] <lissyx> I've noticed the reporter mentions the selection UI has a "Open" button
[11:57] <lissyx> from my testing, we have "Select" and not "Open"
[11:57] <oSoMoN> but I vaguely recall a similar issue with the desktop portal
[11:58] <oSoMoN> same here, let me see if I can dig up the issue I'm thinking about
[11:58] <lissyx> if it's fixed it's nice but I'm like to close with a proper note of the fix :)
[12:05] <oSoMoN> seb128, does this issue ring a bell to you: the portal being shown to pick a directory shows an "Open" button instead of "Select" ? I vaguely recall something like that, but I can't find any reference to it now.
[12:05] <seb128> oSoMoN, reading the backlog
[12:10] <seb128> oSoMoN, doesn't ring a bell no, sorry, I do have 'select' here
[12:10] <seb128> would be worth asking on which desktop environment that is? could be an issue with the !gnome portal?
[12:22] <lissyx> done: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1769958#c8
[12:22] <lissyx> but given the report, I would assume it was not a fancy setup
[12:32] <seb128> having a screenshot might help? also journalctl log
[12:50] <lissyx> as I said, I'm not sure the reporter can share more
[12:52] <lissyx> maybe i should reinstall the 22.04 VM and not perform any upgrade to have older versions of snap
[13:32] <lissyx> 102.0b4-1 on a fresh non updated 22.04 install and no repro
[13:33] <lissyx> oSoMoN, seb128, on the non updated 2204 I have "Select" in the folder selection, but it's always disabled when I try to select a different folder than ~/Downloads/
[13:34] <seb128> lissyx, that's a gtk4 bug which was fixed in a SRU, if you edit the filename it should enable the action
[13:35] <lissyx> ok
[13:35] <lissyx> but then I have "Select" and not "Open"
[13:37] <seb128> if there is only one report I wouldn't worry about that report so much, it also lists flatpak in the description
[13:37] <seb128> so sounds like rather a bug in the portal and not firefox
[13:38] <lissyx> it's a report from QA
[13:38] <lissyx> it's not just random people doing random stuff
[13:38] <lissyx> I can't just ignore and RESOLVED:INVALID without knowing what happened
[13:39] <seb128> and QA isn't able to provide a screenshot or a journal log?
[13:39] <lissyx> so I agree it looks very much like outside of firefox
[13:39] <lissyx> seb128, QA might, but it's not going to happen within the next minutes
[13:39] <lissyx> that's why I needinfo? them
[13:42] <lissyx> but since you are working on that, I was hoping you might knew some of the fixes that landed :)
[13:42] <lissyx> i'd also still like to know how I can get access for installing older versions of snaps, in case I need something similar in the future
[13:43] <lissyx> if you can make that happen, my launchpad account is https://launchpad.net/~lissyx
[13:43] <seb128> not really atm, only the publisher has access to those for some reasons :/
[13:43] <seb128> otherwise from the build logs but that's only having a short history kept
[13:43] <lissyx> yeah
[13:43] <lissyx> maybe I'll end up installing this "multipass" and rebuild myself
[13:44] <seb128> unless the launchpadapi allow to query maybe more logs than what the webui is showing
[13:44] <lissyx> and I guess the build process on snapcraft will not rely on our mach tooling and not leverage sccache-dist, so it'll be slower :)
[13:45] <lissyx> bbl
[14:32] <seb128> rls bug review!
[14:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:32] <seb128> bug #1969959
[14:33] <seb128> it's 'nouveau' driver, no other report
[14:33] <seb128> I would consider it as not a rls issue at this point
[14:34] <kenvandine> agreed
[14:36] <seb128> bug #1977619
[14:36] <seb128> that's a regression from a point release which was SRUed
[14:36] <seb128> I forwarded upstream and they acknowleged the issue
[14:36] <seb128> so I would vote +1
[14:36] <kenvandine> +1
[14:38] <seb128> bug #1976256
[14:38] <seb128> that was nominated and has a fix pending, I'm untagging
[14:38] <seb128> bug #1969396
[14:39] <seb128> while an annoying issue, it's rather specific setups and it's workaroundable from the gsetting config so I would vote -1
[14:40] <kenvandine> ok
[14:42] <seb128> others were discussed and some triaging is needed, I will try to do that later
[14:42] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-kk-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:42] <kenvandine> cool
[14:42] <seb128> bug #1977564
[14:42] <seb128> Jeremy reported it, I will assign it to him
[14:43] <kenvandine> great, obvious +1
[14:43] <seb128> and that's it for k
[14:43] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:44] <seb128> bug #1966911
[14:44] <seb128> unsure why it targets focal if the title state jammy, I'm going to ask
[14:45] <seb128> or I guess it's Marco who pinged the wrong letter and was for jj, and it's assigned and targetted there now
[14:45] <Trevinho> yeah...
[14:45] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:46] <seb128> bug #1973734
[14:47] <seb128> dimitri uploaded a fix so I'm assigning to him
[14:47] <seb128> bug #1961955
[14:47] <seb128> I'm going to review that to help landing the fix but I don't think it's a rls issue
[14:48] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:48] <seb128> no desktop
[14:49] <kenvandine> yay
[14:49] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:49] <seb128> nothing new there, I will triage a bit later
[14:49] <seb128> and that's it for this week
[14:49] <seb128> thanks kenvandine!
[14:49] <kenvandine> thank you seb128
[15:56] <lissyx> oSoMoN, btw for the about:restartrequired it happened to me only once so far
[15:56] <lissyx> oSoMoN, just when I filed
[15:57] <oSoMoN> lissyx, ok
[15:57] <lissyx> I think I got previous updates applied in background properly
[15:57] <lissyx> also "snap changes" did not show anything really suspect, just firefox and gnome stuff
[17:42] <lissyx> seb128, oSoMoN either way, I need to find the process to be added to those teams that have access, if I am to be working on the snap bugs
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[11:27] <studio-user788> who am i?
[11:29] <cfhowlett_> studio-user788, who knows?
[11:30] <cub> studio-user788, you are<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:47] <ubuntu-studio> hi
[16:47] <Beatbox> Beatbox001
[16:48] <Beatbox> where i can  find a german support channel?
[19:31] <retrolift> Hello guys ;)
[19:32] <cub> hello retrolift
[19:36] <retrolift> Hmm I have a question I'am rather newbie linux user but is there option to run VST plugins in Ardour or other DAW's?
[19:37] <cub> LMMS I know people run VSTs in, but I have read that Ardour it is possible but they don't recommend it.
[19:38] <cub> holstein, is probably the expert on this. :)
[19:40] <retrolift> ok ty cub I will try to find out more on my own ;)
[19:41] <cub> retrolift, is there a certain VST you want/need? Otherwise you could find similar plugins that work natively in linux. http://calf.sourceforge.net/ is nice.
[19:41] <retrolift> generally NI Massive and sylenth1 are my priority to check
[19:42] <cub> I think it's best to run a 32 bit Ubuntu Studio if you're going to run VSTs
[19:43] <fibz_> you can ask in #opensourcemusicians as well
[19:46] <studio-user877> Linux is awesome!! what other operation system can you, install from dvd and at the same time start a browser and chat with others!!!
[19:47] <studio-user877> all from the dvd that you are installing the OS from!!! awesome sauce!
[19:49] <studio-user877> I have been using Linux since Red Hat 3 (1 x 3.25 floppy ) if I recall correctly. It still amazes me sometimes....
[23:17] <wereyoda> hello what is the easy way to get ssh working on ubuntu studio? there is client but it dont accept.
[23:19] <wereyoda> client /server
[23:20] <wereyoda> kind of user group problem
[23:23] <wereyoda> is there only  idlers?
[23:23] <Unit193> !info openssh-server
[23:24] <wereyoda> reinstall?
[23:25] <Unit193> Normally you install that, and then you have ssh.  Did you cahnge any config?
[23:26] <Unit193> If not, check logs and see what's up.
[23:29] <wereyoda> i got ubuntu stu00000000000000dio ersion by luck and tthere was some con000000flict between ssh and openssh
[23:30] <wereyoda> how check logs?
[23:35] <Unit193> What conflict first?  But in /var/log/syslog and authlog, as well as trying  service ssh start  ?


[10:09] <emiii> openstack neutron 20.2 is available in upstream. When it will be available for ubuntu ? because it fixes critical / blocker bug fixes related to OVN.
[11:08] <frickler> coreycb: jamespage: ^^ seems to be on track to becoming an FAQ ;)
[18:56] <genii> Is there some changelog about what was altered between 5.15.0-43-generic and 5.15.0-46-generic? My system is choking on something in 46 initrd and  but not 43
[18:59] <sarnold> genii: /usr/share/doc/linux-modules-5.15.0-46-generic/changelog.Debian.gz  probably has summaries
[18:59] <genii> sarnold: Thanks!
[19:00]  * genii zcats
[19:06] <genii> Looks like it's probably the CPU timers thing, just before it hard-halts there's messages about NMI and cpu clocks
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> think i saw more users reporting choking before, but its a while ago, would need a dig into the logs to trace a bug ID
[19:07] <genii> Since it doesn't get past the initrd nothing to look at in syslog/dmesg
[19:10] <sarnold> eww
[19:11] <sarnold> genii: try adding dis_ucode_ldr to the kernel command line at grub
[19:11] <sarnold> genii: that should ask the initrd to skip loading microcode
[19:11] <sarnold> recovery kernel option should probably work, too
[19:13] <icey[m]> any chance on getting python-cheroot accepted into jammy-proposed?
[19:14] <genii> sarnold: For the moment I modified grub to load saved default and have it coming up to the 43 kernel, may tinker with this option later to try loading the 46 kernel, but there's some services like my quasselcore and some of the bots that will be be out of commission then while I mess around
[19:17] <icey[m]> sorry, wrong channel :-P
[19:20] <genii> Is there a local log of canonical-livepath history?
[19:22] <sarnold> I *think* the module load events are logged to dmesg when they happen
[19:22] <sarnold> try dmesg | grep -i module
[19:23] <genii> I'm finding references to it running in the main syslog