[00:14] <wgrant> 1!
[00:17] <mwhudson> oo, the excitement
[00:22] <jml> one day soon, the number of bugs on Launchpad will exceed the population of Tasmania
[00:22] <wgrant> Ahaha. Who did that?
[00:22] <wgrant> (filed it as private)
[00:23] <ajmitch> that's nasty
[00:23] <jml> wasn't me!
[00:23] <ajmitch> jml: I thought it passed that mark a few years ago?
[00:29] <micahg> wow
[00:29] <micahg> ok, how long till 500k :)
[00:31] <micahg> ajmitch: 497,312 according to wikipedia (Mar 2008)
[00:31] <ajmitch> micahg: I'm sure there can't be that many real people there, they all tend to leave :)
[00:39] <mwhudson> heh heh
[00:44] <james_w> bug 40000
[00:44] <james_w> bug 400000
[00:45] <james_w> that's better :-)
[00:48] <wgrant> A sad fate for such a round bug number.
[00:48] <wgrant> Being automatically rejected.
[00:58] <ajmitch> wgrant: Please make sure bug 500000 is suitable
[01:00] <jml> Launchpad bug 500000 in launchpad "Launchpad is *too* awesome." [Undecided,Wontfix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500000
[01:02] <compengi`> i created a branch on launchpad, and created the same folders names, though when i try to push, it tells me, bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: why?
[01:03] <wgrant> compengi`: What is it saying isn't a branch?
[01:04] <wgrant> And what command are you running?
[01:04] <compengi`> bzr push lp:~compengi/+junk/Cirssi
[01:04] <compengi`> i created ~/+junk/Cirssi/ folders in my home too
[01:05] <wgrant> Ah, you didn't have to do that.
[01:05] <wgrant> You just had to create a branch in a directory somewhere, using 'bzr init'.
[01:05] <wgrant> You might want to look at https://help.launchpad.net/Code
[01:06] <wgrant> And I must now go and work out why we have suddenly got no water.
[01:06]  * wgrant vanishes.
[01:08] <compengi`> okay.. i deleted that directory and created my own. i did 'bzr init' then 'bzr add file' and tried to push: bzr push lp:~compengi/+junk/Cirssi , i recieved an error
[01:09] <compengi`> bzr: ERROR: Target directory lp:~compengi/+junk/Cirssi already exists, but does not have a valid .bzr directory. Supply --use-existing-dir to push there anyway.
[01:09] <wgrant> compengi`: Aha. You didn't actually need to create trhe branch explicitly on Launchpad - you could have just pushed.
[01:09] <compengi`> i see
[01:09] <wgrant> So do as it says now - pass --use-existing-dir
[01:12] <compengi`> done
[01:13] <compengi`>  lp:~compengi/+junk/Cirssi   	  	 2  Mature   	 2009-07-16 02:11:07 CEST
[01:13] <compengi`> 2 minutes ago This branch is empty.
[01:13] <compengi`> hmm..
[01:14] <wgrant> Is that unexpected?
[01:15] <compengi`> yeah
[01:15] <compengi`> i added a file
[01:15] <compengi`> pushed, then it says the branch is empty
[01:15] <wgrant> Did you bzr add, bzr commit, then push?
[01:16] <compengi`> just tried with commit
[01:16] <wgrant> There it is.
[01:16] <compengi`> yep
[01:17] <wgrant> You probably want to 'bzr whoami "Your Name <email@address>"' so your commits show up as being done by you.
[01:58] <thewrath> hey ugys
[01:59] <thewrath> ist here a way i can download a certain bzr branch
[02:00] <lifeless> one hopes so, that is the point of bzr
[02:00] <thewrath> how do i do that
[02:00] <thewrath> is my question
[02:00] <thewrath> i knowh ow to get the current version
[02:01] <lifeless> how are you doing that?
[02:01] <thewrath> bzr branch lp:mikesats
[02:01] <lifeless> that downloads the branch
[02:01] <thewrath> right
[02:01] <lifeless> if you look at a branch on launchpad - say https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bzr-pqm/bzr/1.17
[02:02] <lifeless> it has instructions - look for 'get this branch'
[02:02] <thewrath> Get this branch:                        bzr branch lp:mikesats
[02:03] <thewrath> that only gets the current version correct or am i wrong
[02:03] <lifeless> What do you mean by 'current version'
[02:03] <thewrath> the latest
[02:03] <lifeless> you're wrong
[02:03] <lifeless> it copies all the history
[02:03] <thewrath> ok
[02:03] <thewrath> k
[02:03] <thewrath> the latest is 16 i want 14
[02:04] <thewrath> how would i get version 14
[02:06] <wgrant> bzr revert -r14
[02:07] <thewrath> doesnt export work?
[02:08] <wgrant> If you want to export it, export would work.
[02:09] <compengi`> thanks wgrant
[02:10] <thewrath> ty
[03:26]  * wgrant likes bug #400027
[03:26] <wgrant> But hmm, which one is the preview diff?
[03:37] <thumper> wgrant: abentley and I are discussing code review workflows
[03:38] <thumper> wgrant: the preview diff is the "merge outcome" if it happened now
[03:39] <thumper> wgrant: we have another bug to rename it to show "merge outcome"
[03:39] <thumper> wgrant: right now the preview diff is only updated by the mad script
[03:40] <wgrant> thumper: So the preview diff is the one that's linked to, and the review diff is the one displayed?
[03:41] <wgrant> Which means that the most obvious diff will only be updated on resubmit?
[03:41] <thumper> wgrant: we also filed bugs about how to best display these
[03:41] <thumper> we want to show bot
[03:41] <thumper> h
[03:41] <thumper> but in a nice sensible way
[03:42] <thumper> wgrant: and we are going to make resubmit nicer :)
[05:26] <phurl> hi all
[05:26] <phurl> why do i have junk in my branch name?
[05:26] <phurl> https://code.launchpad.net/~kosova/+junk/tuxfamily-twiki
[05:26] <phurl> ?
[05:28] <mwhudson> because it's not associated with a project
[05:28] <mwhudson> it's in the spirit of http://www.samba.org/junkcode/
[05:28] <mwhudson> ... which seems to be misconfigured ...
[05:28] <mwhudson> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:b8IGt7pv-nkJ:www.samba.org/junkcode/+junkcode&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=firefox-a
[05:28] <phurl> :)
[05:28] <phurl> ok
[05:28] <phurl> mwhudson, fair enough!
[05:29] <phurl> thanks
[05:34] <phurl> define : series ? is that like 9.04 9.08?
[05:34] <phurl> define : driver ? is that like  project manager?
[05:41] <wgrant> phurl: A release series is something like 1.x - it might have 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 releases under it.
[05:41] <phurl> ok
[05:41] <phurl> perfect
[05:41] <wgrant> And a driver is basically the project manager, yes.
[05:41] <phurl> wgrant, thanks
[06:15] <poolie> thumper: want to talk about lca?
[06:17] <thumper> poolie: yes, give me 2 minutes
[06:23] <thumper> poolie: skype or pots?
[06:23] <poolie> skype's good with me
[08:58] <didrocks> hi guys
[08:59] <didrocks> is there a way to get an url for a project/person having the project or person object using launchpadlib (I just get the +api/ url)?
[08:59] <wgrant> didrocks: Not at the moment.
[09:00] <wgrant> didrocks: Although you can easily create them, of course.
[09:00] <didrocks> wgrant: yes, I made a function for that. But well, having a real method is always because in case of changes :)
[09:00] <didrocks> +better
[09:00] <wgrant> didrocks: There's a bug filed somewhere for a general solution to that problem.
[09:01] <didrocks> wgrant: oh? let me search that
[09:01] <wgrant> Bug #316694
[09:02] <wgrant> Although that's not a launchpadlib bug.
[09:02] <wgrant> I thought there was another one.
[09:02]  * wgrant googles further.
[09:03] <wgrant> leonardr has half a fix already in lazr.restful.
[09:04] <didrocks> hum, I may have a look at his code, so
[09:05] <didrocks> oh, btw, I didn't check that yet but if you know, which kind of interaction can we have with ppa? only read one, creation, put a package in it (or we have to use dput)?
[09:07] <wgrant> didrocks: At the moment you can't upload packages through the API.
[09:07] <wgrant> didrocks: lazr.restful is server-side - the web URL is something that needs implementing on the Launchpad end.
[09:09] <didrocks> wgrant: oh ok, I was thinking you were talking for some kind of generic code for dealing with such server and such, gessing the real url. Ok, I'm subscribed to the bug. Thanks :)
[11:26] <mpt> gmb / BjornT: Based on comments in the bug report I think bug 204980 should be ranked a bit higher-importance than it is
[11:26]  * gmb ooks
[11:26] <gmb> Er.
[11:26] <gmb> *looks
[11:33] <gmb> mpt, BjornT: I agree, this is obviously making life hard for upstreams. I'll re-prioritise it.
[11:34] <mpt> ta
[14:24] <davidstrauss> Our git import keeps failing: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/openlibrary/trunk
[14:35] <bac> gmb: ^^
[14:37]  * gmb looks
[14:44] <gmb> davidstrauss: I'm just trying to clone the repository locally; if that succeeds I'll get someone from our codehosting team to take a look at your problem for you. Please bear with me...
[14:59] <gmb> davidstrauss: Okay, I've managed to clone that locally. I'm going to speak to our codehosting guys.
[14:59] <davidstrauss> gmb: thanks
[15:01] <abentley> davidstrauss: Hi there, I'm one of their codehosting guys.
[15:02] <davidstrauss> abentley: Hi Aaron. :-)
[15:02] <abentley> davidstrauss: From looking at the log, this seems to be a bug in bzr-git: NotImplementedError: <function import_git_submodule at 0x90040d4>
[15:02] <davidstrauss> abentley: yes
[15:09] <abentley> davidstrauss: The project you're importing uses submodules?
[15:10] <abentley> davidstrauss: I think bzr-git won't support that until Nested Trees are implemented.
[15:11] <davidstrauss> abentley: Apparently OL does
[15:12] <abentley> davidstrauss: jelmer in $bzr is the main (only?) author of bzr-git, so I've pinged him.
[15:40] <AnMaster> um a bug in launchpad. Check the "milestones and releases" in https://launchpad.net/cfunge/trunk ? Why is there "" after the last one...
[15:40] <AnMaster> I never entered any code name for any of them...
[15:40] <AnMaster> so clearly there should be "" for all or for none
[15:41] <AnMaster> which launchpad project to report this to?
[15:43] <abentley> AnMaster: registry
[15:43] <AnMaster> hm ok
[15:45] <AnMaster> abentley, why does launchpad occasionally pop up an JavaScript alert() style window saying "0error retrieving data"?
[15:46] <AnMaster> I think I clicked "back" button before it happened the first time, the next time I clicked the bugs link on https://launchpad.net/launchpad-registry while the page was still loading. Unable to reproduce most of the time.
[15:46] <abentley> AnMaster: I don't know.  I haven't seen that.
[15:46] <AnMaster> and where on earth should I report it?
[15:47] <abentley> AnMaster: If you don't know, report it on Launchpad, and we'll reassign it.
[15:47] <AnMaster> abentley, I can't even reliably reproduce it...
[15:52] <dpm> danilo__: regarding the list of KDE packages with new languages in LP, there were a few with no known plural form in LP, which you told me it will have to be set manually in LP. I'm assuming this will not stop the languages being used correctly in the language packs. If it's not like this, how can we set the plural forms in LP. Can I just find them out, make a list and someone from the LP translations team set them up?
[15:52] <dpm> Riddell: ^
[15:52] <AnMaster> abentley, will line breaks be preserved in bug reports? I don't usually use launchpad for bugs
[15:53] <AnMaster> basically I'm asking for <pre>
[15:53] <abentley> AnMaster: line breaks are preserved.
[15:53] <AnMaster> abentley, spaces?
[15:53] <abentley> AnMaster: There may be additional text wrapping.  I don't know.
[15:54] <danilo__> dpm: yeah, that would work; just get Plural-Forms header out of PO files and that should work; KDE used to have that hard-coded in kdelibs, but not sure if that's true anymore (wouldn't make sense now that they are using generic gettext files)
[15:54] <abentley> AnMaster: I believe spaces are preserved.
[15:54] <AnMaster> abentley, as in mono-space formatted text table looking correct I mean
[15:54] <AnMaster> hm probably not since the input field doesn't use monospace...
[15:55] <abentley> AnMaster: If you exceed 72 char width, I don't know what the generated emails will look like.
[15:56] <dpm> danilos: ok, I'll prepare that list, but in the meantime, as long as the plural forms are not set in LP, will there be any problem in using those languages in the distro (i.e. in langpacks)?
[15:57] <AnMaster> abentley, it ate the spaces in the listing in https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/400268 meh
[15:58] <AnMaster> Ubuntu bug?
[15:58] <AnMaster> isn't that going a bit too far :P
[15:59] <AnMaster> abentley, by the way, for launchpad-code, how long is the average time for someone replying to a question?
[15:59] <AnMaster> days or weeks?
[15:59] <abentley> AnMaster: The spaces are preserved, they're just not displayed :-P
[15:59] <AnMaster> abentley, ah, sounds like another bug heh
[16:00] <abentley> AnMaster: Days.
[16:00] <AnMaster> ok
[16:00] <AnMaster> :)
[16:00] <danilos> dpm: I am not completely sure, people will not be able to translate, but I am not certain about PO files and whether we regenerate plural-forms header (I think we do, so we will have problems)
[16:02] <AnMaster> abentley, a question, is it just my browser, or does the graph thingy for lp:efunge on https://code.launchpad.net/~anmaster extend over the text for "lp:~anmaster/efunge/supervisor-tree"? And does only first branch have such graph?
[16:02]  * AnMaster wonders if he should report some bug there
[16:02] <adiroiban> danilos: also, for the plural-forms from po files are replaced with the plural form from the LP database?
[16:02] <AnMaster> brb
[16:03] <abentley> AnMaster: In my browser, only the descenders overlap.  In project pages, only the development focus gets a sparkline.
[16:08] <danilos> adiroiban: they are, because PO files can have different slightly incompatible plural forms, and we normalize them to the one in our DB (i.e. plural form 0 and 1 could be inverted)
[16:09] <adiroiban> yes, that was my guess.
[16:24] <AnMaster> abentley, hm..
[16:24] <AnMaster> abentley, "descenders"? I'm not sure what you mean?
[16:24] <AnMaster> the blue text below?
[16:25] <abentley> Letters that descend below the baseline, such as lowercase "g" and "y".
[16:25] <AnMaster> ah ok
[16:25] <AnMaster> abentley, may I ask which browser (and version) you use?
[16:26] <abentley> AnMaster: Firefox 3.0.11
[16:26] <AnMaster> huh, same as me then
[16:26] <AnMaster> how strange
[16:26] <abentley> AnMaster: Maybe different zoom settings?
[16:26] <AnMaster> abentley, "normal zoom" here
[16:27] <abentley> AnMaster: same here.
[16:27]  * AnMaster takes a screenshot
[16:31] <gmb> Gah. Fail.
[16:32] <AnMaster> abentley, this is what it looks like for me: http://imgur.com/8a0yW.png
[16:32] <AnMaster> (minus the blurring of other tabs and bookmarks of course)
[16:34] <abentley> AnMaster: It could be because your fonts are smaller than mine.
[16:35] <AnMaster> abentley, sounds like the CSS on launchpad fails. I guess I should report a bug. Which launchpad project this time?
[16:35] <abentley> AnMaster: launchpad-code
[16:36] <abentley> AnMaster: I changed my fonts to be closer to yours, but couldn't reproduce the problem.
[16:37] <AnMaster> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/383924 "Sparklines displayed over row below in Opera"
[16:37] <AnMaster> close
[16:38] <AnMaster> abentley, hm ok. I don't run Unbuntu (probably unusual for someone in here) so maybe different settings when building stuff like freetype or whatever. Don't know if FreeBSD uses other options than Ubuntu
[16:39] <AnMaster> um am I still connected? Seems I'm timing out from freenode
[16:39] <AnMaster> hm... 40 seconds lag. :/
[16:43] <AnMaster> abentley, btw about font, I have bitstream vera sans, 14 pt by default, and set to never less than 11
[16:45] <abentley> AnMaster: If you remove the restriction on minimum font size, does the problem go away?
[16:46] <abentley> AnMaster: The font in your sparkline does look bigger than mine.
[17:05] <bdmurray> What's the best way to query for bugs based off date created / in numerical order?  I don't want the date the task was created.
[17:18] <kiko> bdmurray, just order by ID?
[17:19] <bdmurray> kiko: right but that's not really an option in the api or the web search
[17:19] <kiko> bdmurray, you sure it's not an option in the API?
[17:19] <kiko> in the web search it is indeed not an option, interesting
[17:20] <bdmurray> kiko: well order_by isn't defined anywhere afaik but someone told be it took the same options as the web ui
[17:21] <kiko> bdmurray, hmm, I think it doesn't
[17:21] <kiko> look at the source
[17:23] <intellectronica> bdmurray, kiko: it does take exactly the same options as the web ui
[17:23] <bdmurray> thanks somebody!
[17:30] <funkyHat> What does "Fix Committed" mean in launchpad? I'm lookin at #354605 which says Fix Committed for pidgin (Ubuntu) but I am still experiencing the bug
[17:31] <intellectronica> funkyHat: it means that the fix was completed and in is now in the source tree of the product, but not yet released to users
[17:33] <kklimonda> funkyHat: in case of ubuntu packages fix commited mean that changes will be uploaded soon to repository or were already uploaded to -proposed in case of SRU
[17:33] <tanir_bd> hello! I have a question regarding launchpad translation... is there any one from the team?
[17:34] <henninge> tanir_bd: almost gone ... Is it a quick one? ;-)
[17:35] <funkyHat> intellectronica: kklimonda: thanks, so I should wait until it says Fix Released before I bother testing it again?
[17:35]  * funkyHat hopes it gets uploaded soon
[17:35] <tanir_bd> henninge: lol.. yah.. is there any application by which i can submit the changes directly without going to launchpad website?
[17:36] <intellectronica> funkyHat: exactly
[17:38] <tanir_bd> am i alive in the room? :-S
[17:42] <henninge> tanir_bd: yes, you are. I am fixing my dinner ... ;)
[17:43] <tanjir_bd> henninge: sorry... take your time :)
[17:43] <henninge> tanir_bd: I am checking something about your question
[17:43] <henninge> tanjir_bd: np, I didn't have to answer, did I?
[17:43] <tanjir_bd> henninge: thanks... lol.. nope.. i can do further research or you can show me the right room for this ans.. :-$
[17:44] <henninge> tanjir_bd: no, you are right here. Hang on!
[17:44] <tanjir_bd> henninge: :D
[17:45] <henninge> tanjir_bd: found it!
[17:46] <henninge> tanjir_bd: here is a script my collegue Jeroen wrote for that purpose:
[17:46] <henninge> https://launchpad.net/lp-translations-tools
[17:46] <tanjir_bd> henninge: awesome... :D... thanks a lot.. that is what i was looking for :)
[17:47] <henninge> tanjir_bd: np
[17:47] <tanjir_bd> henninge: i appreciate your help... have a nice dinner... :)
[17:47] <tanjir_bd> good night
[17:47] <henninge> tanjir_bd: my pleasure and thank you!
[17:47] <henninge> good night
[18:20] <thekorn> hi, is there a way to update the diff which is shown on the bottom of a merge proposal?
[18:24] <intellectronica> thekorn: yes, if you use bzr send to create the mp you can tell it what diff to use
[18:28] <thekorn> intellectronica, ok, but I cannot update an existing diff, right? (created a merge proposal some time ago, found a bug in the proposed branch, fixed it -> show new diff)
[18:29] <intellectronica> thekorn: no, i don't think you can
[18:29] <intellectronica> rockstar: do you know? ^^^^^
[18:29] <thekorn> so my only option seems to be to delete the old proposal and create a new one
[18:30] <rockstar> thekorn, no.  It's a review diff.  There is another diff, called the PreviewDiff, which can be updated with lp:mad
[18:30] <rockstar> thekorn, we have plans to have the previewdiff be a little more prominent.
[18:31] <thekorn> ok, thanks
[18:31]  * thekorn is confused by preview diff and review diff
[21:39] <jenred> hello
[21:39] <jenred> have a question about merging branches on lp (read docs)
[21:40] <jenred> it looks like I have to do the merge from the command line correct?
[21:40] <jenred> is there anyway to send a merge command without pulling the separate branches down locally?
[22:03] <joshmarshall> Hey all -- I keep getting a Launchpad connection problem while trying to browse the Storm source code.
[22:03] <joshmarshall> It says drop a line in here if it keeps happening, so I'm just complying. :)
[22:13] <thumper> joshmarshall: which url?
[22:13] <thumper> jenred: not right now
[22:30] <mm-mysql> statik: Any idea what launchpad is using for their sparklines?
[22:39] <wgrant> bigjools: I see you're going to get rid of +copy-packages from the primary archive. Please don't.
[22:39] <bigjools> why?
[22:39] <wgrant> It worked fine last month, and is pretty useful.
[22:39] <wgrant> Backports!
[22:39] <wgrant> For example, I was going to use it later today.
[22:39] <bigjools> it's not supposed to be there
[22:40] <bigjools> it's a back door
[22:40] <wgrant> Why should it be removed?
[22:40] <bigjools> eventually there will be proper API support
[22:40] <bigjools> the template it uses is designed for PPAs, not something as massive as the main archive
[22:41] <bigjools> we're shaking out a few API permissioning issues, then syncSource will work for you
[22:42] <wgrant> bigjools: syncSource from the primary archive doesn't work at the moment?
[22:42] <bigjools> from, yes, to, no
[22:42] <wgrant> Right.
[22:42] <wgrant> I don't care about to.
[22:42] <wgrant> At the moment.
[22:43] <bigjools> but the piece of work that cprov just finished sends syncSource copies to the main archive via the upload queue, we'll be using it initially for a small set of users like the security team
[22:45] <wgrant> But the use to which I was going to put /ubuntu/+archive/primary/+copy-packages today was copying libjs-jquery-ui (only in Karmic) into Hardy in one of my PPAs, as a software rollout needs it. Now I'll have to mangle version numbers and upload. I've also seen a number of users use it to get debhelper 7 into Hardy in their PPAs, without having to allow building from Backports for all distroseries.
[22:46] <bigjools> why can't you use the api to do that?
[22:47] <wgrant> I could.
[22:47] <wgrant> But I've never had to before, as the web UI worked fine.
[22:47] <wgrant> So you're right, it's not too bad.
[22:47] <bigjools> that page is not linked to from anywhere, it's entirely unsupported and leaves OOPSes behind
[22:48] <wgrant> I haven't seen it OOPS (apart from timeouts) before now.
[22:48] <bigjools> yes, it times out a lot :)
[22:48] <bigjools> and adds a load on our db server that I don't want
[22:49] <wgrant> Ah.
[22:50] <bigjools> so please spread the word that we have this really cool api thing
[22:50] <bigjools> and we'll look into adding a web ui that works much better
[22:51] <wgrant> OK.
[22:51] <bigjools> ta
[22:52] <micahg> can I build a debian (not ubuntu) package in a ppa?
[22:53] <bigjools> micahg: no, we don't support deban PPAs right now, maybe at some point
[22:53] <bigjools> debian, even
[22:53] <micahg> ok, do you know if there's an open bug?
[22:53] <bigjools> yes, there is one
[22:53] <wgrant> Bug #188564
[22:54] <micahg> thanks
[22:54] <micahg> I subscribed :)
[23:38] <AskHL> Hi.  I want to upload a tar.gz of my project as a download, which I am technically capable of doing by checking out the code, removing *all* the hidden .bzr files (sooner or later I'll make an error when doing that) and then making the file.  This seems like an awfully manual procedure.  Is there some kind of 'Just make the darn tarball' button which I am missing?  Surely other people must be facing the same issue.
[23:40] <mwhudson> AskHL: bzr export --format tgz lp:whatever
[23:40] <mwhudson> er
[23:40] <mwhudson> AskHL: bzr export --format tgz whatever-0.0.0.tgz lp:whatever
[23:40] <mwhudson> you still have to upload it though, it would be nice to make this slicker
[23:41] <AskHL> So this will create the tarball in the workdir?
[23:41] <AskHL> downloading from lp
[23:41] <mwhudson> yeah
[23:41] <mwhudson> if you have the branch on disk you can of course use that rather than lp
[23:41] <AskHL> That's magnificent.  Thank you mwhudson!
[23:41] <mwhudson> np!
[23:42] <mwhudson> AskHL: bzr help export for more details


[09:32] <scahartner> hi all, me again. are any of you aware of a problem setting options in the mount section. i am trying to specify 'defaults,nodev,nosuid,noexec' for the /tmp partition using options, but this doesn't seem to work. any thoughts
[11:56] <kryl> hi ;)
[14:13] <Odd_Bloke> scahartner: I'm not aware of such an issue; did you get to the bottom of it?
[14:23] <scahartner> nope, sorry. Looks like a know issue : https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1885644
[14:37] <Odd_Bloke> scahartner: Aha, right; that looks like a subiquity issue (I think it's not passing things through to cloud-init?).  If there turns out to be a cloud-init componenet then I'm sure mwhudson will let us know.


 Forwarded from Eickmeyer: So, RE: the merge request: experimental Lintian tags are shaky ground to go on to begin with because they may or may not become policy. We cannot assume they will become policy, so unless they become policy, they should not be addressed.

 The other issue is that, unless liblxqt becomes a dependency, this is a non-issue, as it's not a dependency for everything currently, from what I understand, or at least it doesn't need that variable just yet.

 Therefore, this does look like a wishlist item at best, out-of-scope at worst.
 cc arraybolt3 and tismonq2
 basically i just forwarded this straight from Erick's messages to me here
 he can vouch for it
 oh wow the prosecco is already kicking in xD
 (poor person's champagne)
[00:14]  * lubot [matrix] <eickmeyer> cue political ad
[00:14]  * lubot [matrix] <eickmeyer> My name is Erich Eickmeyer and I approve this message.
 i mean
 I don't care what is done in Ubuntu
 it's outside my purview
 and though I don't care what is done in Debian either, my original thought is "Debian policy recommends not including UNLESS it's needed for something" but if it's not needed yet then the policy is clear to not include it
 esp. if the team is following policy *recommendations*
 so unless Simon is planning packages in Debian in the next few months that require symbols files for interdependency and stuff for building/running i would err on the side of caution and support the team and policy's recommendations currently
 and since SImon hasn't justified himself there yet... :P
 (my core dev recommendations don't have jack of an impact on Debian)
 i don't disagree, but i think that's the logic in their opinion - avoid the issues of also maintaining the file themselves to prevent 'oopsies' again.
 but if Simon wants to take on maintaining the symbols in Ubuntu separately and the Release Team / etc. don't argue that's his option
 eickmeyer: thanks for loaning your opinion too ;)
 arraybolt3: That'd be a Development Lead/Team decision for Lubuntu
 not a Council decision
 i'm in both teams ;)
 so basically you just need kc2bez and guiverc's blessings
 (technically speaking before I was on the COuncil I was an ancillary member of the devel team)
[01:01]  * guiverc is not a developer; thus would likely follow both kc2bez & teward advice with regards packaging/policy (I may try and understand everything, but not having used.... my understanding is less than ideal.. and far less than teward's)
[02:12] <arraybolt3> In the mean time, I think I'll try to work on picom and see how that goes, while also fighting with my Pentium III in the background.
[03:56] <guiverc> I'd prefer advice come from kc2bez, teward or tsimonq2 .   If you don't get a response in time, do it how you think best applies, at worst you'll need to redo it.
[04:54] <guiverc> arraybolt3, given the length of the text in your opinions; I wonder if discourse (development section) would be a better place for your view/post; more readable than irc/matrix/telegram etc..  (also gives an easy place to find it in the future too)
[04:55] <arraybolt3> guiverc: Good point. I don't know if Dan or Simon (or Thomas) monitor Discourse that closely though.
[04:56] <guiverc> you still point them here to it.. (no reason you can't use both or multiple places..)... Discourse also allows end-users of Lubuntu to see the reasoning why Lubuntu doesn't come with a config as well.. not just for 'us' now...  (part of my thinking)
[04:56] <arraybolt3> +1, will copypaste into Discourse in the Development section.
 Compositing by default means the manual will need some changes


[01:28] <thumper> ibeardslee: oh, sorry, back from lunch now
[01:28] <thumper> ibeardslee: gazelle pro
[01:29] <thumper> ibeardslee: with maxed out cpu, ram, and 480 gig intel 520 ssd
[01:30] <thumper> ibeardslee: there was a compiz sru recently that used a lot less cpu time
[01:31] <ibeardslee> it's definitely dropping down in load regularly. that Compiz fix must have done it.
[01:31] <ibeardslee> a lot less red
[01:32] <ibeardslee> nice Gazelle Pro
[01:32]  * thumper thinks
[01:32] <thumper> actually may have been the unity 5.16 sru
[01:32] <thumper> ibeardslee: don't suppose you can tell me which unity you have? apt-cache policy unity ?
[01:32] <ibeardslee> 5.14.0-0ubuntu1
[01:34] <ajmitch> thumper: I'll have to try that out, is it in -proposed?
[01:34] <thumper> :(
[01:34] <thumper> ibeardslee: won't be that fix then
[01:34] <thumper> ajmitch: perhaps in proposed
[01:35] <thumper> it was supposed to be release ages ago
[01:35]  * ajmitch regularly has compiz using 50-80%
[01:36] <ibeardslee> cpu?
[01:36] <ajmitch> yes
[01:37] <ajmitch> it's partly why my laptop gets so noisy at those kiwi pycon meetings :)
[01:37] <ibeardslee> interesting .. seems to be using between 0 and 16% for me
[01:38] <ajmitch> I think it's something to do with the number of tabs I have open in the browser, but it's still excessive
[01:41] <thumper> oh I regularly get firefox or chromium consuming large percentages of cpu
[01:42] <thumper> doesn't normally show as compiz though
[01:42] <ajmitch> sure, but top reports compiz as using CPU
[01:46]  * ajmitch doesn't see 5.16 in a ~unity-team ppa
[01:46] <hads> I still don't think I could buy a laptop without a nipple, it's just so good. Don't have to move your hands from the keyboard to mouse. Thinkpad nipples are way better than other brands though.
[01:46] <ajmitch> maybe I should just upgrade to quantal soon
[01:46] <hads> I'm still considering the X1 Carbon myself even though it comes with Windows.
[02:14] <thumper> ajmitch: don't do it today
[02:14] <thumper> ajmitch: dust settling after feature freeze
[02:15] <thumper> not everything yet built against everything else
[02:15] <thumper> new compiz, but not new unity yet
[02:15] <thumper> so no desktop :)
[02:15] <ajmitch> considering that this laptop uses fglrx & is currently my only working computer, I think I shall wait until after kiwi pycon
[02:16] <ajmitch> I'm not *quite* that mad to break it when I need it :)
[18:31] <mwhudson> morning
[19:17] <chilts> morning
[20:05] <ibeardslee> morning .. and a rather damp one at that
[20:09] <chilts> indeed
[20:12] <mwhudson> forecast to get better later though
[20:30] <Atamira> morning
[20:30] <Atamira> overcast but not rainy up here
[20:37] <ajmitch> morning


[20:27] <BobJonkman2> Hi Everybodeee! Seven_Six_Two is hosting an Ubuntu Hour along with the revived LOLUG in London at 7:00pm tonight in Milo's Craft Beer Emporium (Map: http://osm.org/go/ZXkOgdRM--?m )
[20:28] <BobJonkman2> Registration at http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/2805-ubuntu-hour-lolug-inaugural/
[20:38] <Seven_Six_Two> Warning: I inadvertently scheduled during the Memorial Cup, which is a block away. It's still happening, but will likely be busy! Leave early!
[20:38] <Seven_Six_Two> oh, and thanks Bob!
[21:02] <BobJonkman2> Seven_Six_Two: Memorial Cup *and* Stanley Cup?


[00:37] <greyback__> racarr_: hey, install cmake-extras - it has the gmock module that qtmir uses
[00:37] <racarr_> o
[00:37] <racarr_> greyback__: Does that have the EnableCoverageReport stuff that I proposed in another mp too?
[00:37] <greyback__> racarr_: yes
[00:38] <racarr_> Ah :)
[00:38] <racarr_> cool
[00:38] <racarr_> greyback__: Thanks :)
[00:38] <greyback__> no worries
[10:02] <duflu> Should it be possible that clang generates code that yields SIGILL??!
[10:04] <duflu> Oh, apparently clang does emit this invalid instruction intentionally sometimes. Wonder why gcc works
[10:07] <alan_g> targetting the wrong processor?
[10:08] <Kaleo> hey guys
[10:08] <duflu> alan_g: No, it's the right architecture. But apparently clang sometimes uses invalid instructions like an abort()
[10:08] <duflu> Kaleo: Hello
[10:08] <Kaleo> is there any difference in MIR's rendering or behaviour whether the phone is plugged on USB or not/charging or not?
[10:09] <duflu> Kaleo: Not explicitly in Mir but the driver could (and likely would) use a lower power mode on battery alone
[10:09] <Kaleo> right
[10:09] <duflu> Kaleo: You see such things?
[10:09] <Kaleo> duflu, one thing I notice for example
[10:09] <Kaleo> duflu, is that the lock screen's background sometimes takes time to be displayed
[10:10] <Kaleo> duflu, probably for the texture to be uploaded or rendered
[10:10] <Kaleo> duflu, only on battery
[10:10] <duflu> Kaleo: Yeah lower power mode is noticeably slow
[10:11] <duflu> It gets worse... if you're careful with your efficiency then the phone thinks it's in low power mode and can clock down too much, causing stuttering
[10:11] <Kaleo> duflu, interesting
[10:11] <duflu> It drives graphics people crazy
[10:11] <Kaleo> duflu, can you think of any reliable way to trigger that mode?
[10:12] <duflu> Kaleo: No, it's driven by how little you stress the GPU
[10:13] <Kaleo> duflu, does the low power mode impact CPU perf as well?
[10:13] <duflu> Kaleo: I think so..?
[10:13] <Kaleo> k
[10:13] <Kaleo> duflu, I believe this all relates to https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1398436
[10:14] <duflu> Kaleo: There could be other bugs at play in our code, always. I'm reminded of this talk where I think John Carmack discusses the same issue driving him crazy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqzpAbK9qFk
[10:15] <Kaleo> duflu, ok
[10:15] <Kaleo> duflu, concretely what happens is that after locking and unlocking the phone the camera app's rendering is not happening for a few seconds
[10:15] <duflu> Kaleo: Oooh, you don't have framedropping (eglSwapInterval(0)) do you?
[10:15] <Kaleo> duflu, I don't have anything outside of the pristine RTM image
[10:16] <duflu> Kaleo: If a client has set eglSwapInterval(0) (which I think is unlikely) then we do have buffer scheduling bugs that will appear as a freeze
[10:16] <duflu> (fixed in Mir 0.10)
[10:16] <Kaleo> duflu, is MIR 0.10 in vivid?
[10:16] <duflu> Kaleo: No, it's future
[10:16] <Kaleo> duflu, ok
[10:17] <Kaleo> duflu, I don't recall the app setting eglSwapInterval(0)
[10:17] <duflu> Kaleo: There is one additional bug that will trigger such a freeze, but it's only known to happen in cases that the phone won't trigger
[10:17] <duflu> Still, I expect both to be fixed in 0.10
[10:19] <duflu> Kaleo: I'll grep the camera-app source in case
[10:20] <Kaleo> duflu, done that, no match
[10:20] <Kaleo> duflu, but there is something more
[10:20] <duflu> Kaleo: Also, we only know that Android overlays are highly unstable with eglSwapInterval(0). This does not guarantee they're always going to be stable with the default eglSwapInterval(1), just moreso
[10:21] <Kaleo> duflu, for the duration of the freeze, the app is not notified it is focused/active (Qt.application.active is still false)
[10:21] <Kaleo> duflu, even though the process has been correctly resumed
[10:23] <duflu> Kaleo: To absolutely verify it's not another overlays bug, try running with env MIR_SERVER_DISABLE_OVERLAYS=true
[10:23] <Kaleo> duflu, ok, trying that
[10:23] <duflu> ... for USC
[10:23] <duflu> Kaleo: And then I must go for the week ...
[10:23] <Kaleo> USC?
[10:23] <duflu> Kaleo: Only unity-system-compositor will use the hardware overlays
[10:24] <duflu> So the environment needs setting for that
[10:24] <Kaleo> duflu, I can set it in /etc/environment no?
[10:24] <duflu> Kaleo: Yes, but make sure it sticks after rebooting (/proc/<pid>/env)
[10:24] <Kaleo> duflu, yep
[10:26] <duflu> Kaleo: Please also double-check the whole stack of projects to ensure nothing is triggering eglSwapInterval(0)
[10:26] <Kaleo> duflu, I grepped it all and only qtubuntu sets it
[10:26] <Kaleo> duflu, if an env var is set
[10:26] <duflu> ... or creating a GL context with zero
[10:26] <Kaleo> otherwise it defaults to 0
[10:27] <Kaleo> duflu, bug still happens with MIR_SERVER_DISABLE_OVERLAYS=true
[10:27] <duflu> Interesting
[10:27] <duflu> Kaleo: I think the clock-down power management stuff is a big offender but that will only cause you to miss a frame or two in my experience
[10:28] <Kaleo> k
[10:28]  * duflu forgets what the kernel features are that stop it from happening. It's something Linux has inherited from Android recently-ish but is not yet widely used
[10:28] <Kaleo> duflu, note the rest of unity8 behaves normally during the freeze
[10:28] <Kaleo> duflu, everything is fluid and responsive
[10:28] <duflu> Kaleo: I'm out of ideas
[10:28] <Kaleo> duflu, ok
[10:28] <duflu> and the work week
[10:28] <Kaleo> duflu, thank you
[10:29] <duflu> No worries...


[22:12] <Bonner> Something else to note
[22:12] <Intergalactic> saltair, is it to play games on your browser... e.g. runescape?
[22:12] <ipatrol6010> My terminal is complaining that /sbin/mount.vboxsf doesn't exist when it does
[22:13] <nztal> gogeta, guntbert, thank you.
[22:13] <Bonner> The card only works with the WICD network manager
[22:13] <saltair> uhh well its the painting thing but i can test that too
[22:13] <IdleOne> !java > saltair
[22:13] <Bonner> Using Network-manager, I get nothing out of it
[22:13] <arand> saltair: in what way does it not install?
[22:13] <armence> Is there somebody who could help me out with enabling wsgi and cgi (python and perl) on my apache2 web server? I have tried to google those things, but I have yet to succeed
[22:13] <dz0> I'm trying to install ubuntu server on a 64bit amd with SATA disks, and I get "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block"
[22:13] <dz0> help please
[22:13] <gogeta> nztal: you need the java plugin as well for stuff to work inside firefox
[22:13] <guntbert> dudleyi: are you checking with top/htop?
[22:13] <Intergalactic> you might need to install a java equivalent (it is supported by Sun too) calls Icedtea
[22:13] <saltair> arand, I did it via terminal
[22:14] <saltair> arand, but i couldnt click ok to get it installed..
[22:14] <nztal> gogeta, firefox ?  i was speaking of hibernate
[22:14] <saltair> I used this site http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-java-runtime-environment-jre-in-ubuntu-904-jaunty.html
[22:14] <ipatrol6010> How to I get the terminal to see and recognize the file that exists?
[22:14] <gogeta> oops
[22:14] <prince_jammys> saltair: press tab and then OK
[22:14] <saltair> ohhh
[22:14] <saltair> hahah
[22:14] <nztal> gogeta :)
[22:14] <prince_jammys> saltair: you need to hit tab to get to the ok button
[22:14] <IdleOne> saltair, use the tab key to select OK ( make it blue ) then enter
[22:14] <saltair> yep thanks
[22:14] <leachim6|nb-> hey
[22:14] <leachim6|nb-> how do I disable maximus without uninstalling it?
[22:15] <saltair> well i get this now
[22:15] <saltair> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[22:15] <IdleOne> so run that command
[22:15] <IdleOne> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:15] <Zzeiss> Bad_Andy: So- you're on in Windows now?
[22:15] <saltair> o
[22:15] <Wast3d2009> I got a problem...
[22:15] <Wast3d2009> I try to unrar
[22:16] <Wast3d2009> with unrar -e file.rar
[22:16] <Wast3d2009> But it isnt working
[22:16] <Wast3d2009> What i do wrong?
[22:16] <guntbert> !rar | Wast3d2009
[22:16] <gogeta> Wast3d2009: might be a bad file
[22:16] <ipatrol6010> My terminal is partially blind, help!
[22:16] <ipatrol6010> It doesn't see a file
[22:17] <Wast3d2009> gogeta no no instead of upacking it shows me a list of commands...
[22:17] <ikanobori> ipatrol6010: 'see'
[22:17] <leachim6|nb-> ...is it a hidden file...
[22:17] <leachim6|nb-> does it begin with a dot?
[22:17] <ipatrol6010> As in know that it exists
[22:17] <ikanobori> ipatrol6010: What is the filename?
[22:17] <gogeta> Wast3d2009: no -
[22:17] <ipatrol6010> A file that exists, the terminal says it does not
[22:17] <leachim6|nb-> ...
[22:17] <ipatrol6010> Gimme a sec...
[22:17] <leachim6|nb-> what is the file name
[22:17] <gogeta> unrar e file.rar
[22:17] <arand> ipatrol6010: what file are we talking about here?
[22:17] <Wast3d2009> gogeta lol ok ^^
[22:17] <ipatrol6010> /sbin/mount.vboxsf
[22:18] <leachim6|nb-> ..
[22:18] <Wast3d2009> gogeta worked lol
[22:18] <leachim6|nb-> maybe sbin is not in your path
[22:18] <Wast3d2009> gogeta what a dumb typo ^^
[22:18] <ipatrol6010> How do I add it?
[22:18] <ikanobori> ipatrol6010: Pastebin the output of your terminal when you enter this command: pwd && ls -a
[22:18] <ipatrol6010> How do I add sbin to my path?
[22:18] <gogeta> Wast3d2009: most linux stuff uses - unrar is a very rare one also once you ave installed unrar the gui can unrar now to
[22:18] <ipatrol6010> Gimme a sec
[22:19] <ikanobori> ipatrol6010: While you are in the folder where you should 'see' the file.
[22:19] <gogeta> Wast3d2009: save some typin
[22:19] <Wast3d2009> gogeta i had all... but i used -e which was a common typo...
[22:19] <ikanobori> ipatrol6010: Also pastebin the output of stat /sbbin/mount.vboxsf
[22:19] <gogeta> Wast3d2009: right click and extract will work now to
[22:19] <ikanobori> Errr, /sbin/mount.vboxsf offcourse.
[22:19] <Wast3d2009> gogeta SSH only for me ;)
[22:19] <gogeta> Wast3d2009: ahh
[22:20] <ipatrol6010> root@username-ubuntu:/home/username# mount -t vboxsf Shared /Home/username/Sharing
[22:20] <ipatrol6010> /sbin/mount.vboxsf: mounting failed with the error: No such file or directory
[22:21] <ipatrol6010> So what's the problem?
[22:21] <arand> ipatrol6010: So the file in question is not there?
[22:21] <orochi> having a problem with the fast user switching applet in jaunty...when i select the option to lock the screen it won't work on the first try because gnome-screensaver apparently isn't running, on the second try it works...any ideas?
[22:21] <ipatrol6010> The file in question is there
[22:21] <saltair> how do you fix broken packages?
[22:21] <ipatrol6010> But if I call it in the terminal, the terminal says it's not there
[22:21] <unop> ipatrol6010, echo $PATH
[22:22] <ipatrol6010> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[22:22] <yin> exit
[22:22] <yin> quit
[22:22] <ikanobori> unop: $PATH has nothing to do with this.
[22:23] <coffeebean[2]> I need help installing any drivers for ATI graphics card in ubuntu while offline.
[22:23] <ikanobori> ipatrol6010: You know what that command does, do you?
[22:23] <ikanobori> Or are you typing this from a tutorial?
[22:23] <ipatrol6010> A manual page
[22:23] <unop> ipatrol6010, ls -l /sbin/mount.vboxsf
[22:23] <ipatrol6010> What does that do?
[22:23] <baxter_kylie> Hi. Is the alternative gui to ubuntu netbook remix an installable package in a normal 9.04 installation?
[22:23] <ikanobori> ipatrol6010: Pretty much the same as I asked you to do earlier on.
[22:24] <ikanobori> It lists the file.
[22:24] <ipatrol6010> bash: -l: command not found
[22:24] <unop> ipatrol6010, there's an  ls  preceding -l
[22:24] <ipatrol6010> no, lemme try that
[22:24] <unop> ipatrol6010, did you mean  vboxfs  instead ?
[22:25] <ipatrol6010> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 10536 2009-08-14 14:43 /sbin/mount.vboxsf
[22:25] <InfectedWithDrew> I need help getting my microphone to work on my Acer Aspire One (250 model)
[22:25] <ikanobori> Afaik you need to do mount.vboxsf Shared /home/shared
[22:25] <ipatrol6010> So enter mount.vboxsf Shared /home/shared ?
[22:26] <coffeebean[2]> baxter_kylie: check this tutorial, I didn't read much but it might help: http://markusthielmann.com/blog/installing_ubuntu_netbook_remix_ubuntu_hardy_804
[22:26] <ipatrol6010> mount.vboxsf: mounting failed with the error: No such file or directory
[22:27] <coffeebean[2]> InfectedWithDrew: is it a regular microphone, or a usb one?
[22:27] <skazi21101> can somebody help me with the sound in 9.10. Headphones don`t pay anything but speakers okey
[22:27] <skazi21101> how fix it&
[22:27] <InfectedWithDrew> coffeebean[2]: It's built into my computer
[22:27] <ikanobori> ipatrol6010: Then the last argument does not exist.
[22:27] <ipatrol6010> But it does
[22:28] <ikanobori> ipatrol6010: What is the output of stat /Home/username/Sharing
[22:28] <coffeebean[2]> InfectedWithDrew: Hmm... so did you try running it with any programs, like Audacity perhaps?
[22:28] <baxter_kylie> coffeebean[2]: Thanks.
[22:28] <coffeebean[2]> baxter_kylie: no prob.
[22:29] <rabar> when I try to run orbited from upstart via "sudo start orbited" , it starts and then immediately stops saying "start: orbited main process terminated with status 2 " ..any idea why this would happen?
[22:29] <InfectedWithDrew> coffeebean[2]: Yes, sound recorder and Skype.  I've messed with my levels and such.  I get the feeling you can't help my particular situation because I'm on a wonky computer.
[22:29] <bullit> quick question
[22:29] <baxter_kylie> Q: Does anyone know of good media organization software? (This is mostly for DVD and Record collections). I know there are some decent tools that I read about years ago but I can't remember any now.
[22:29] <U238Willy> skazi21101, open volume control by right-clicking on the speaker icon (upper right) go to switches and look for headphone sense.
[22:29] <ikanobori> ipatrol6010: Does that do antyhing?
[22:29] <bullit> Q : how to change the permissions of a directory ?
[22:29] <skazi21101> there is no headphones
[22:29] <coffeebean[2]> baxter_kylie: You could try Fluendo media center.
[22:30] <ikanobori> bullit: Command line or graphical?
[22:30] <skazi21101> U238Willy: there is no headphones
[22:30] <bullit> ikanobori : either , just a quick fix , commandline would be better
[22:30] <ikanobori> bullit: With the chmod/chown commands.
[22:30] <ikanobori> man chmod/man chown, or google them.
[22:31] <U238Willy> skazi21101, you're using a headphone jack on your card?
[22:31] <skazi21101> U238Willy: yes
[22:31] <coffeebean[2]> Hello, I need help installing drivers for ATI graphics card while offline.
[22:31] <skazi21101> U238Willy: it 9.10 not 9.04
[22:31] <guntbert> !9.10 | skazi21101
[22:31] <coffeebean[2]> When I try installing, I always get problems.
[22:31] <U238Willy> yep... don't work with 9.10 sorry
[22:32] <skazi21101> U238Willy: i see. going #ubuntu+1
[22:32] <baxter_kylie> coffeebean[2]: Ahh. Good program but too advanced for my grandfather (80yr old who's decided to get his first computer). He just wants to organize his old EP collection.
[22:34] <bullit> ikanobori , i thank you , permissions is fixed
[22:34] <coffeebean[2]> baxter_kylie: Hmm... sorry, what's an EP again?
[22:35] <IdleOne> lol
[22:35]  * guntbert thinks we watch something like a bot race
[22:35] <oddy> I LOVE UBUNTU
[22:36] <nanotube> baxter_kylie: try any of the suggestions in this thread: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/21/0115214
[22:36] <coffeebean[2]> oddy: Yay! It's awesome!
[22:36] <nanotube> baxter_kylie: e.g., gtktalog
[22:37] <baxter_kylie> coffeebean[2]: Extended Play -- vinyl records. :)
[22:37] <baxter_kylie> nanotube: thanks.
[22:37] <jose> oi como vai vc
[22:37] <littlespy> when will gnome 2.26 be in portage?
[22:37] <Andre_Re> hi, i have a problem
[22:37] <nanotube> jose: oi
[22:38] <nanotube> littlespy: wrong distro :)
[22:38] <Andre_Re> i want to install a new font but if i enter fonts:// into nautilus it can't find the folder
[22:38] <bullit> Q : If changing permissions , how to change the permissions of an entire folder ?
[22:38] <jose> vc esta bem
[22:38] <nanotube> bullit: chmod -R
[22:38] <ikanobori> bullit: -R for recursive chmod.
[22:38] <ikanobori> Same goes for chown.
[22:38] <adam> hi
[22:38] <Kapli> Hi, does anyone know if there are any other Xorg logs than the ones in the /var/log folder?
[22:38] <nanotube> ikanobori: same goes for many things :)
[22:39] <bullit> Q : plz elaborate on what Recursive means (not a native speaker)
[22:39] <nanotube> Kapli: just those, afaik
[22:39] <nanotube> bullit: recursive in this case means "this dir, and everything under it"
[22:39] <Guest50352> which cli command allows me to edit user information created with useradd
[22:39] <Kapli> Weird, because I just installed ATI proprietary drivers and when I rebooted I came into some weird mode and I could view xorg logs that said what was wrong
[22:39] <nanotube> Guest50352: usermod ?
[22:40] <ikanobori> nanotube: This directory, everything in it, and all directories in the directories in it.
[22:40] <ikanobori> Err. bullit ^^
[22:40] <coffeebean[2]> built: I know that Recursive is something that tends to repeat in an acronym, like GNU, where the G in GNU is GNU.
[22:40] <nanotube> ikanobori: :)
[22:40] <jose> alou
[22:40] <Kapli> I could either start ubuntu in low graphics mode, view logs and change some stuff or troubleshoot
[22:40] <bullit> ok thanks guys
[22:40] <nanotube> bullit: np :)
[22:40] <coffeebean[2]> built: or like WINE, where the W stands for WINE.
[22:41] <bullit> coffeebean , i dont get that ? is it phun intended ?
[22:41] <coffeebean[2]> built: WINE stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator
[22:41] <coffeebean[2]> built: something like that.
[22:41] <Bow2`Shino> cant get youtube videos to play audio on my usb Headset
[22:42] <nanotube> bullit: coffeebean[2] is talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_acronym
[22:42] <ikanobori> bullit: Recurrance is something that repeats itself.
[22:42] <ikanobori> Recursive means keep applying this until you run out of options.
[22:42] <coffeebean[2]> nanotube: Yep, I was talking about that.
[22:43] <InfectedWithDrew> How do I compile this tarball I have?
[22:43] <nanotube> coffeebean[2]: those /are/ fun :)
[22:43] <coffeebean[2]> Need help with installing ATI Drivers for ATI Radeon HD 9800.
[22:43] <skrypt> I just installed GRUB2 via apt-get and now I can't boot into ubuntu, but I can boot to windows.
[22:43] <skrypt> How can I fix this?
[22:43] <coffeebean[2]> I need to install it offline.
[22:43] <nanotube> InfectedWithDrew: extract the tar, and read the README file inside (there usually is one)
[22:44] <jose> oi vc esta bem
[22:44] <nanotube> jose: do you have a question?
[22:44] <bullit> stupid thing is , for some weird reason, the program i am using still cant write logfiles to that directory
[22:44] <Guest50352> nanotube: seems usernod was what I was looking for but how the hell do I change comment with it? Usernod -c username "comment"??
[22:44] <h4f> hi all . is there a auto keyboard layout switching program in Ubuntu ?
[22:45] <InfectedWithDrew> nanotube: Nothing useful in the readme
[22:45] <nanotube> Guest50352: read "man usermod" for usage details
[22:45] <nanotube> InfectedWithDrew: well, the "usual" thing is to run "./configure; make; make install"
[22:45] <h4f> hi all . is there a auto keyboard layout switching program in Ubuntu ?
[22:46] <nanotube> InfectedWithDrew: btw, what tarball are you trying to install?
[22:46] <Intergalactic> h4f System, Preferences, Keyboard to change layouts
[22:46] <InfectedWithDrew> alsa-driver-1.0.20
[22:46] <OltreIrc`38867> ciao
[22:46] <OltreIrc`38867> !list
[22:46] <h4f> Intergalactic: I know that. but I need it to be switched automaticly
[22:46] <Intergalactic> mmmm have fun with that
[22:46] <arand> h4f: and then go to advanced layout setting and set a shortcut key for switching?
[22:47] <nanotube> InfectedWithDrew: hmm... look on the project website for installation instructions, that's probably the best bet, if there's no "configure" in the directory.
[22:47] <arand> h4f: "layout options" was the thing.
[22:48] <nanotube> bullit: which directory, and what program, and how are you running the program?
[22:48] <h4f>  arand: I am typing in one chat with 1 layout in second with 2 layout. some time I messed up. I need a tool which will recognise in which language I am typing and will change layouts accordingly
[22:48] <nanotube> h4f: no tool can read your mind.
[22:49] <h4f>  nanotube: yeap but it can recognise WORDS
[22:49] <InfectedWithDrew> nanotube: There's nothing on the project site either.  Do I cd to ~/Desktop or to ~/Desktop/whatever-directory-this-software-is-in
[22:49] <arand> h4f: hum, that will be tricky...
[22:49] <bullit> nanotube : i am reluctant to tell you the program, but as far as i know it starts with sudo, then it drops it sudo rights and it is suddenly unable to write logfiles
[22:49] <h4f> arand: there was a program like that in windows :(
[22:50] <nanotube> h4f: how would it know if you want to type "hello" or "ncdoe" (for example)? wouldn't it keep switching layouts on you whenever you need to type some unusual combinations?
[22:50] <nanotube> InfectedWithDrew: the latter.
[22:51] <nanotube> bullit: well, if the program is doing something weird, who knows what's going on...
[22:51] <Bow2`Shino> cant get youtube videos to play audio on my usb Headset. PLz help :3
[22:51] <h4f>  nanotube: yeap hello = руддщ in russian. so it can recognise that word руддщ in russian does not exist and swich auto to English layout
[22:52] <h4f>   nanotube: and the other way round привет = ghbdtn
[22:53] <h4f> does any one understood at least what I want :D
[22:54] <nanotube> h4f: i understand what you want... but i think there's no software like that - at least not that i'm aware of. just set the layout switch hotkey to something easy, and use it :)
[22:54] <arand> h4f: seems like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xneur might be worth diggin into.
[22:55] <mlissner> Has anybody ever experienced problems getting banshee to load? It seems like the GUI is having issues. I replaced banshee's .gconf and .config files from a backup, and did an aptitude reinstall banshee, but no progress. Any ideas?
[22:55] <h4f> nanotube:  yeap but as I am keeping typing in 2-3 languages it gets really annoying . and I am messing things up
[22:56] <gjl> i've justed booted the 9.10 alpha 4 live cd, but i get taken to a terminal login prompt
[22:56] <gjl> is that to be expected?
[22:56] <emil1111> hello, I am desperately trying to install ubuntu desktop but it won't work. I have checked the md5 and it's good for the live cd I downloaded. I tried installing from live cd, from usb boot , with WUBI and nothing does it. Does any one have a suggestion or a forum thread you can point me to ?
[22:56] <nanotube> h4f: if you're a coder, you could fairly easily make a prog like that. just have to have it monitoring your keyboard input, and load it up with a few dictionaries.
[22:56] <emil1111> for anyone who saw me yesterday, I was running ubuntu on the live cd then, that works fine, but install is impossible
[22:57] <phrostbite> What program do I use to burn an iso?
[22:57] <coffeebean[2]> emil1111: you trying to install with wubi?
[22:57] <gjl> i've justed booted the 9.10 alpha 4 live cd, but i get taken to a terminal login prompt
[22:57] <emil1111> coffeebean[2] : yes that's what I 'm currently trying
[22:57] <gjl> is that to be expected?
[22:57] <emil1111> it gets stuck in "creating the virtual disks"
[22:57] <h4f> nanotube: seems that there is already a solution "xneur"
[22:57] <arand> phrostbite: infrarecorder on win, brasero/k3b on ubuntu
[22:57] <coffeebean[2]> emil1111: what version of windows?
[22:57] <emil1111> xp sp3
[22:57] <emil1111> home
[22:58] <phrostbite> Thank you arand
[22:58] <coffeebean[2]> emil1111: hm...
[22:58] <nanotube> h4f: cool :)
[22:58] <h4f> arand: thank. that seems exactly what I wanted
[22:58] <coffeebean[2]> emil1111: you burnt the disc already?
[22:58] <gjl> is anyone out there running ubuntu 9.10 alpha 4?
[22:58] <emil1111> coffeebean[2]:  yes I have
[22:58] <TwoTwenty> I tried it on my netbook
[22:59] <danbhfive> !910 | gjl
[22:59] <emil1111> coffeebean[2]: I have a burned live cd,  I've made a usb boot with the tool from inside ubuntu live,  and I'm trying to run wubi
[22:59] <IdleOne> nanotube, Im not a coder but would it not be easier to have the program monitor the window and then have it set the appropriate layout. would involve some setting of preferred layout for the windows at first
[22:59] <danbhfive> gjl: you should ask in #ubuntu+1
[22:59] <gjl> ok, thanks
[22:59] <nanotube> IdleOne: but windows always change... would be certainly /easier/ to implement, but /not/ easier to use.
[22:59] <emil1111> the live cd works fine for booting and running live, but for install, it does install and then there is some error iwth the GRUB bootloader and it gets stuck trying to boot
[23:00] <arand> h4f: glad to help, kinda dissapointed it doesn't support swedish, I wanted to give it a spin :)
[23:00] <IdleOne> nanotube, the window titles don't normally change or maybe they do. in any case he found his answer
[23:00] <coffeebean[2]> emil1111: I'm still thinking that it has to do with a corrupt cd.
[23:00] <coffeebean[2]> emil1111: hold on let me check.
[23:00] <emil1111> coffeebean[2]: sure
[23:00] <InfectedWithDrew> nanotube: I broke my entire sound system.  Next time I will not bother with compiling from source.
[23:01] <h4f> Great
[23:01] <nanotube> IdleOne: no, i mean windows themselves. you open a new tab - there's a new window. you close irc and tomorrow open it again, have to reset again... etc. but yea, xneur seems to do the trick quite nicely.
[23:01] <ascheel> Can someone tell me how to cat a man page to stdout?
[23:02] <h4f> nanotube: arand: thanks works great
[23:02] <nanotube> ascheel: man whatever | cat
[23:02] <ascheel> nanotube thanks!  :)
[23:02] <nanotube> InfectedWithDrew: well, i guess you better reinstall from the repos the alsa package
[23:02] <IdleOne> nanotube, well #ubuntu is always #ubuntu then set the pref layout and save that for next time it is opened. lol not sure why Im still on this
[23:02] <ascheel> nanotube: That works awesome
[23:02] <coffeebean[2]> emil1111: try downloading wubi and installing it.
[23:02] <th0r> nanotube: I gotta ask...what does that do for you that 'man' doesn't?
[23:03] <nanotube> IdleOne: i guess... but when you write email, always new windows, so would be useless. :)
[23:03] <nanotube> th0r: not for me, for ascheel, because he asked.
[23:03] <IdleOne> true
[23:03] <nanotube> IdleOne: no prob, it's fun to think about it :)
[23:03] <gjl> emil1111, have you tried installing after you boot the live cd environment?
[23:03] <nanotube> ascheel: np :)
[23:03] <ascheel> th0r: Some terminals don't let you scroll back up to the man page, so you have to bring it up in a idfferent terminal window.
[23:03] <seanthegeek> I have a new otherboard installed in my box that is now using ipv6 out of the box, now xorg wont work
[23:04] <ascheel> th0r: where if I stick it in the same terminal, its' far easier to reference
[23:04] <seanthegeek> can someone help?
[23:04] <ascheel> th0r: or some pages, I just want to | it to grep
[23:04] <seanthegeek> motherboard*
[23:04] <nanotube> ascheel: even if you press "b" while in man page?
[23:04] <th0r> ascheel: you know you can search within 'man'
[23:04] <nanotube> ascheel: which should scroll back by one page
[23:05] <nanotube> ascheel: try also "man man" :) very helpful
[23:05] <ascheel> yeah, I know I can search it, but if I'm already back at the CLI out of the man page, I can't re-reference it without going back into man.
[23:05] <ascheel> sometimes I just want it in my terminal windows as part of the scrollback
[23:05] <nanotube> ascheel: well, then you're good to go with |cat :)
[23:05] <ascheel> :)
[23:06] <nanotube> well i'm outtahere. ttyl y'all.
[23:06] <emil1111> coffeebean[2]: : when I try downloading wubi it gets stuck trying to download the .iso.  FAQ says it'e behind a firewall and to DL the iso myself, which I did
[23:06] <ninjaslim> how can i set a custom .Xdefaults to be sourced always when a terminal is opened?
[23:06] <InfectedWithDrew> nanotube: I have to compile it with certain options according to the ubuntu documentation
[23:06] <tim1> Hey, I have a problem with my headphones not working
[23:06] <H8sMikeMoore> emil1111 - just burn the iso image to a disk and use it that way
[23:07] <wesley> hello guys, have a dell dimension 8300 with an audigy 2 zs, and ubuntu wont play audio, but it did...??
[23:07] <emil1111> gjl: yes I tried installing from live boot that and got some I/O error  with a comment "probably because of cd error or hard drive error"
[23:07] <tim1> My headphones don't work but my speakers do
[23:07] <H8sMikeMoore> emil111- make sure you burn the disc as slow as possible
[23:07] <H8sMikeMoore> tim1 - it might be a driver issue
[23:07] <emil1111> H8sMikeMoore: I'll try burning a new cd and doing it slow
[23:08] <emil1111> ill get back here after I try those things
[23:08] <coffeebean> emil1111: it's best if you download wubi.
[23:08] <wesley> -audigy
[23:08] <wesley> --audigy
[23:08] <H8sMikeMoore> emil1111 - make sure you burn it as an iso image.
[23:08] <wesley> !audigy
[23:08] <ascheel> !audigy
[23:08] <emil1111> coffeebean[2]: I did dl wubi but wubi cannot dl the .iso
[23:08] <H8sMikeMoore> i personally think wubi sucks
[23:08] <IdleOne> !info audigy
[23:09] <h4f> how do I mount an *.mdf file ? mount FXCLUB.mds /media/image/ -t iso9660 -o loop says wrong FS type
[23:09] <h4f> same think with ьва
[23:09] <coffeebean> emil1111: copy the wubi isntaller right in the same folder as the iso.
[23:09] <emil1111> coffe: done that
[23:10] <galrix1> is there a way to fix GNOME Power Manager without reinstalling?
[23:10] <wesley> can anyone help me i have an audigy 2 zs, will not work in ubuntu 8.10 no matter what
[23:10] <Maruzzu__> ubuntu ita?
[23:10] <lucky> Maruzzu__: italia? #ubuntu-it
[23:10] <Maruzzu__> canel ubuntu italiano?
[23:10] <IdleOne> !it
[23:10] <tim1> Okay fixed the sound
[23:10] <tim1> But I have static now :/
[23:10] <emil1111> is there an image host like pastebin where I don't have to log in ot host images?
[23:10] <coffeebean> emil1111: so the installation didn't work still?
[23:11] <tim1> Any fixes for the static sound in my headphones?
[23:11] <Maruzzu__> lucky: thanks
[23:11] <lucky> emil1111: try imageshack.us
[23:12] <emil1111> got this now http://sv.tinypic.com/r/15mhcls/3
[23:12] <emil1111> error
[23:12] <wesley> please, can anyone please help, ubuntu 8.10 with an audigy 2 zs sound card. it's not the hardware.
[23:12] <tim1> Can anyone help me with my headphone problem?
[23:12] <mlissner> Hi, anybody have any ideas on how to get the banshee player's gui to show up? It seems like it's broken...
[23:12] <tim1> I have a constant static noise
[23:12] <tim1> It's only solved when I turn the volume all the way down, or muting the master or headphone channels
[23:12] <emil1111> saying "permission denied. please check rev18...log"   which is 700Mb txt file can't even open it
[23:13] <emil1111> wubi-9.04-rev128.log   771Mb
[23:13] <H8sMikeMoore> tim1 - it might be a driver issue
[23:13] <mlissner> I've tried reinstalling mono-runtime and banshee, but neither is working.
[23:13] <tim1> I remember installing some updates a few minutes ago, and *bam*, static
[23:13] <tim1> Also, can you help me with it?
[23:13] <tim1> I'm a newb to Linux
[23:14] <H8sMikeMoore> tim1 - it was working prior to the update?
[23:14] <wesley> i guess im gonna have to go back to windows, too bad.
[23:14] <tim1> Yes
[23:14] <tim1> The static only came after the updates
[23:14] <ascheel> lol wesley.  So you don't find answers in 10 minutes so you leave?
[23:14] <ascheel> !patience | wesley
[23:14] <H8sMikeMoore> wesley, goto ubuntuforums.org
[23:14] <wesley> um, ive been working on this for 3 days.
[23:14] <ascheel> wesley: you tried help.ubuntu.com?
[23:15] <CaptainCrook> hehehe if you don't computing maybe windows is good for you...
[23:15] <H8sMikeMoore> tim 1 - i suggest going to ubuntuforums.org theyre better suited to answer
[23:15] <tim1> I already checked
[23:15] <tim1> I googled and everything
[23:15] <H8sMikeMoore> post a question
[23:15] <H8sMikeMoore> register on the forums and ask
[23:15] <tim1> Okey doke
[23:16] <IdleOne> wesley, http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntuforums.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D194203&ei=HeKFStH2H5Wltged3NznDA&rct=j&q=audigy+2+zs+ubuntu&usg=AFQjCNGBdBB_z3WIr4PVNwrP-dhYI3quYg&sig2=DPJag4-0ZnIPoDmy5vEw1Q
[23:16] <IdleOne> first link in google
[23:16] <wesley> i dont think you understand, i have gon throughout the entire library of data at ubuntu.com. other os's can play audio just fine on this, ubuntu cannot. im in need of help, even been on the boards with this. forgive me for this, but ubuntu is in the alpha-beta stages at best it seems to me
[23:17] <H8sMikeMoore> wesley - i garuntee you dont have your driver installed. goto the forums and ask someone for help
[23:17] <ascheel> wesley: I use it for my primary workstations both at work and for gaming at home.  /shrug
[23:17] <IdleOne> well then I say we all drop ubuntu and go to another os
[23:17] <wesley> i did, guess what, the driver is installed, guaranteed...
[23:17] <H8sMikeMoore> it mightbe out of date
[23:18] <ascheel> lol easy there killer.  People are trying to help you out.
[23:18] <wesley> ohh, and every once in a great while ubuntu makes noise through these speakers, then it does not
[23:18] <H8sMikeMoore> how did you install it?
[23:18] <wesley> cd
[23:18] <H8sMikeMoore> are you talking about ubuntu or the sound driver
[23:18] <mujo> I have a problem booting after an update to 2.6.27-14, it cant find the root device and falls back on busybox, I tried rootdelay=90 and it doesnt work
[23:18] <H8sMikeMoore> because most drivers for ubuntu do not come on cd, you must download them
[23:19] <ascheel> wesley:  Which Ubuntu you on?
[23:19] <wesley> creative has no driver for ubuntu. or linux for that matter. i installed the driver myself, followed instructions on ubuntu.com
[23:19] <H8sMikeMoore> wesley, go into the terminal time alsamixer and make sure everything is turned up.
[23:19] <H8sMikeMoore> ubuntu comes with volume down by default
[23:19] <H8sMikeMoore> i dont know why
[23:20] <H8sMikeMoore> also, wesley, chances are someone made a driver for your hardware that isnt employed by creative
[23:20] <wesley> yeah, i tried that too, for  some odd reason it only shows pulse audio instead of the audigy, and only gives me 1 mixer channel which always says off, and i dont know how to turn it on there. i did use ubuntu's mixer audio volume program and went into properties and set everything to maximum, after turning all oprtions on
[23:21] <H8sMikeMoore> do it in the terminal
[23:21] <wesley> lol
[23:21] <H8sMikeMoore> just try the terminal way first before we rule it out
[23:21] <wesley> i just did, but ok
[23:21] <kassah> is there a good repo for getting more current copies of php and/or subversion?
[23:22] <wesley> yeah pulseaudio only, 1 chennel only
[23:22] <ascheel> kassah: my advice is to ask in #php and #svn where to get their most recent releasses.
[23:22] <H8sMikeMoore> if you go into the terminal and type alsamixer what do you see
[23:23] <wesley> HBsMikeMoore, are you talking to me? i typed in the infor twice already...?? but, once again, pulseaudio, 1 channnel only
[23:23] <H8sMikeMoore> wesley, im asking you what you see if you go into the terminal and type alsamixer
[23:23] <ascheel> wesley, copy the entire screen H8sMikeMoore is taking you to and put it in http://paste.ubuntu.com please
[23:24] <wesley> sorry for  comeing off angry, but i am. 8.04 works on here. 8.10, and now 9.04, dont.. and 8.04 only played once in a blue moon
[23:24] <wesley> ok
[23:24] <ascheel> wesley: getting angry at this channel isn't going to fix the channel, but it WILL cause you problems.  Just chill out since it's very obvious people are trying their best to help you out.  Don't get P-O'ed at them.
[23:25] <ascheel> isn't going to fix the problem*
[23:25] <mlissner> ascheel: Sometimes it makes you feel better though.
[23:26] <ascheel> mlissner: I have a stock of puppies in my garage to kick around to help me with that.
[23:26] <wesley> but it's an image, how do i use images with ubuntu's paste binm
[23:26] <ascheel> it's not an image.  It's text.  Select it and copy it.
[23:27] <mlissner> ascheel: you've clearly thought of everything. Wait. You can't kick puppies around!
[23:27] <ascheel> mlissner: sure you can.  Just not great dane puppies.
[23:27] <wesley> really, hoiw do you do that in the terminal window?
[23:27] <ruben23> hi after i install samba on my ubuntu desktop what step should i do to make file sharing with windows client and also access windows share storage..
[23:27] <wesley> (alsamixer)?
[23:27] <mlissner> ascheel: Indeed. You have thought of everything.
[23:27] <ascheel> wesley, copy the entire screen.  Just highlight it like you would any text.  Right-click and copy
[23:27] <H8sMikeMoore> ascheel - i have a feeling wesley is trying to change his audio properties with a graphical user interface as opposed to the terminal and its causing a problem
[23:27] <wesley> ok
[23:27] <mlissner> wesley: drag across it, and then it's control + shift + c
[23:27] <ascheel> H8sMikeMoore: I'm kinda thinking so, too
[23:28] <wesley> no, i am using alsamixer via the terminal.
[23:28] <H8sMikeMoore> ok
[23:28] <mlissner> H8sMikeMoore: I have a feeling pulseaudio is involved somehow.
[23:28] <H8sMikeMoore> its possible
[23:28] <ascheel> wesley, *bonk* get us that text!  :)
[23:28] <H8sMikeMoore> im jsut trying to rule this out before i go any further
[23:28] <psi-jack> Okay, so I download an ISO image and run md5sum -b on it, a couple times, why the heck does the md5 hash keep returning different results?
[23:29] <ascheel> psi-jack: sounds like a drive going bad right in front of your face
[23:29] <mlissner> psi-jack: You sure the iso is done downloading?
[23:29] <ascheel> psi-jack: either that or the file is still downloading
[23:29] <wesley> ok now do i give you this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/253386/
[23:29] <ascheel> lol mlissner.  You beat me to it
[23:29] <psi-jack> mlhshino, ascheel: It's done downloading.
[23:29] <ascheel> that's exactly right, wesley.  :)  Let us look at it a sec
[23:30] <wesley> thanx for helping me
[23:31] <colloguy> after running memtest from grub, are the logs saved somewhere?
[23:31] <ascheel> H8sMikeMoore: there ya go.  I think you're more on the up-and-up on this than I am.
[23:31] <A4O_91> counter strike free download for linux ubuntu help please !
[23:31] <IdleOne> H8sMikeMoore, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5378511&postcount=12 might be helpful to you and wesley
[23:31] <NickDeNeger> hi, i'm using ubuntu 9.04 with Seperate X Screen only when i start an application via the menu at my second screen the application still pops up at my first screen. Only firefox starts up at the right screen?
[23:31] <ascheel> A4O_91: Counterstrike is not free software.  I would advise you try valve's website to look for a Linux client.
[23:31] <skazi21101> how can i open *.tib file in ubuntu?
[23:31] <mlissner> psi-jack: I got nuthin' else in that case.
[23:32] <wesley> the strange part is everything else on ubuntu, (gui wise) says the proper sound card, except for alsamixer
[23:32] <psi-jack> Aight, I'll try downloading to a different drive, and see if that changes the outcome.
[23:32] <ascheel> NickDeNeger: in my experience, applications start up on the screen where your mouse is
[23:32] <psi-jack> Could be one of my drives on the lvm stripe is in fact going bad.
[23:32] <Aciago> Ubuntu is not reading M2 (SONY's Memory Stick for cell phones) cards... how can I make it read it????
[23:32] <fryfrog> You know how the xorg.conf file is blank now, xorg sets itself up?  Is there a way to get it to write the currently used config it detects to the file so I can modify it?
[23:32] <psi-jack> Sony? Toss it out the window.
[23:33] <Aciago> ¬¬
[23:33] <Terminus_Est> Is there any link with rules of this IRC?
[23:33] <ascheel> lol, while 'toss it out the window' is funny, it doesn't help the issue at hand.  ;P
[23:33] <wesley> hmm, maybe im getting ahead of myself, but what if i set it to pulseaudio, it seems to like it...??
[23:33] <ascheel> Terminus_Est: not sure, but as long as you keep it Ubuntu support related and PG rated, you'll be good to go
[23:34] <Cerrdor> After upgrading to Jaunty flash will not work how can I fix this
[23:34] <IdleOne> Terminus_Est, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[23:34] <Cerrdor> it is a known bug
[23:34] <psi-jack> ascheel, heh, yes, it does, IMHO. I stopped dealing with Sony since they finally got caught steeling people's private information in nearly every single DVD they produced.
[23:34] <ascheel> Cerrdor: have you tried this again:  sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree
[23:34] <Cerrdor> yes
[23:34] <A4O_91> please website valve free download for linux ubuntu help please !
[23:34] <Cerrdor> I purged it then reinstalled and nothing
[23:35] <Aciago> psi-jack I understand, but currently I can't do that... and it's the only thing that keeps me in dual boot...  : (
[23:35] <ascheel> !google | A4O_91
[23:35] <mlissner> wesley: Do you mean that if you set it to pulseaudio, it works?
[23:35] <Terminus_Est> IdleOne and ascheel: Thanks!
[23:35] <ascheel> bah, not the answre i was looking for.
[23:35] <arand> ascheel: Cerrdor: use flashplugin-installer instead, -nonfree is an old transition package.
[23:35] <wesley> yeah, i hate windows with a passion, but any os that cant use an actual pci linux  modem, (not winmodem, all  chipset) is still beta in my book. sorry guys
[23:35] <ascheel> Terminus_Est: you're welcome but not sure what I helped you with.  :)
[23:35] <r33tfux0r> Good Evening, CPU use is pegged at around 60% going to Xorg.  Have killed vino-server, installed the updated intel drivers, tried disabling anything going into xorg including compositing.  Any suggestions on next steps?
[23:35] <ascheel> arand: transition package?  Not sure what you mean
[23:35] <IdleOne> ascheel, because the answer you expected is not accepted here
[23:35] <NickDeNeger> ascheel: hmm then something is going wrong big time. When i start an application at my secondary screen it still showsup at the primary screen. When an application starts I see in both windows list panels that the application is starting but then when it starts it places the application at screen0
[23:35] <moth_> is there a way to change the size of icons in menu bar
[23:35] <NickDeNeger> although i started it at screen1
[23:36] <skazi21101> how can i open *.tib file in ubuntu?
[23:36] <wesley> no i mean that ubuntu wants to set it as either pulseaudio or ich5, not ever an audigy, i had to force it to except my card....
[23:36] <ascheel> NickDeNeger: sorry I don't know anything beyond that.  :(
[23:36] <NickDeNeger> ascheel: oke np thanks anyway :)
[23:36] <Cerrdor> flashplugin-installer is already the newest version.
[23:36] <mlissner> wesley: It's likely more complicated than you realize. Most of the drivers for windows are made by the manufacturer. Those for linux are often not made at all. So if the card is standards compliant, it will usually work. if not, it has to be reverse engineered....and may not work.
[23:37] <IdleOne> Cerrdor, you restarded the browser?
[23:37] <A4O_91> pff please link google no free valve for linux ...
[23:37] <mlissner> wesley: in any case, lack of a driver isn't exactly ubuntu's fault - it's the card manufacturer's (more than likely)
[23:37] <wesley> the funky thing is this audigy card works on dsl 4.10 even, dsl!
[23:37] <Cerrdor> 4 times now
[23:37] <H8sMikeMoore> this is true mlissner
[23:38] <Cerrdor> I am purging the flashplugin-installer now
[23:38] <H8sMikeMoore> wesley did you say it worked in previosu versions of ubuntu
[23:38] <Cerrdor> and reinstall see if that works
[23:38] <mlissner> wesley: But I digress.
[23:38] <mlissner> H8sMikeMoore: Do you know if in fact he should set the thing to pulseaudio?
[23:38] <H8sMikeMoore> mlissner - i have no idea ive only ever used alsa
[23:38] <wesley> yeah, as a matter of fact it did, and then didnt. i actually upgraded because days of searching and beggin  for help from peoiple got me know wheree, but i can boot to my cute little dsl mini disk and i have sound
[23:39] <ascheel> A4O_91: CounterStrike is not free software and this channel will not provide links for it illegally.  I recommend you look into purchasing it and then you can ask #wine how to run it in Linux
[23:39] <H8sMikeMoore> wesley - just to try it, see what happens when you boot to a live cd of the latest ubuntu
[23:39] <ascheel> A4O_91: that's assuming there is in fact no linux client available
[23:39] <mlissner> H8sMikeMoore, wesley: That might be overkill.
[23:39] <H8sMikeMoore> if it works on the live cd, then that means something in ubuntu got corrupted
[23:40] <wesley> that doesnt work, did that already, but if i mess around with it some then i can get sound, kinda, sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesnt.
[23:40] <mlissner> wesley: Tell us again what version of ubuntu you're running
[23:40] <wesley> dsl is able to play sound out of it using the ich5 driver, but it cant play anything but audio files on xmms
[23:41] <mlissner> wesley: What are you trying to play besides audio files?
[23:41] <mlissner> wesley: Cause that kinda sounds like your card is working.
[23:41] <wesley> youtube footage, hulu stuff, all audio.
[23:41] <wesley> ohh and ubuntu cant even play audio filesd
[23:41] <mlissner> wesley: You lost me. Didn't you just say it CAN play audio files on xmms?
[23:42] <NickDeNeger> ascheel: One last question, when you switch to another screen with you mouse you still see the mouse pointer at the point where you left the other screen?
[23:42] <ascheel> the livecd can, mlissner
[23:42] <H8sMikeMoore> wesley - what program do you use to play audio (vlc etc)
[23:42] <wesley> no dsl, er "damn small linux" can
[23:42] <mlissner> wesley, ascheel: Ah.
[23:42] <josue> como convierto viedo por consola
[23:42] <IdleOne> !es
[23:42] <wesley> i got one of those cutsy little business card cd's and thats sadly one of the best distro's iive ever seen
[23:43] <mlissner> wesley: what do you see if you pull up Preferences > Sound? And what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[23:43] <ruben23> hi after i install samba on my ubuntu desktop what step should i do to make file sharing with windows client and also access windows share storage..
[23:43] <ito> alguien me puede ayudar a configurar pidgin, gracias
[23:43] <H8sMikeMoore> I would like to see what happens if he opens an audio playing program through the terminal and then tries to play audio
[23:43] <IdleOne> !es | ito
[23:44] <ito> ok
[23:44] <IdleOne> de nada
[23:44] <wesley> sorry
[23:44] <H8sMikeMoore> ok
[23:45] <H8sMikeMoore> wesley what program do u use to play aduio files
[23:45] <wesley> i see the audigy 2 zs and the audigy multi channel setup on all 5 spots
[23:45] <mlissner> wesley: Is that what you see when you open the Preferences > Sound?
[23:45] <docgnome> anyone able to get adobe air running in 64 bit ubuntu?
[23:45] <Chessguy> hi
[23:45] <wesley> yes
[23:46] <mlissner> wesley: OK, so you're on ubuntu 9.04, right?
[23:46] <wesley> nope, but almost, i actually have the upgrade running now, i am trying everything. currently 8.10
[23:47] <Chessguy> I have samba share working for my ntfs partition of my desktop and laptop so I can access My Documents, etc. I was wondering if there was a way to set it up so these folders automatically sync with each other.......grsync give an error
[23:47] <mlissner> OK.  Plz help :3
[23:48] <wesley> hmm, yeah, if set everything either alsa or oss, it makes a noise, but no sounds ever play.
[23:48] <mlissner> wesley: You mean the test buttons make noise? This is a good thing, if so.
[23:48] <wesley> yes
[23:48] <Retardedpope> the upgrade button in the update manager is gone and I want it back....
[23:49] <mlissner> wesley: what about if you set them to pulseaudio?
[23:49] <wesley> they make a high pitched "boop" like noise
[23:49] <H8sMikeMoore> bow2 - have you installed the flash player?
[23:49] <Retardedpope> I want to upgrade
[23:49] <wesley> nothing
[23:49] <docgnome> anybody? adobe air on 64bit ubuntu?
[23:49] <wesley> but i never rebooted after doing so
[23:49] <mlissner> wesley: Hmmm...that's interesting. Put them on alsa then.
[23:50] <H8sMikeMoore> wesley what type of audio files are u trying to play?
[23:50] <mlissner> wesley: the history of sound technology in linux is OSS > ALSA > Pulseaudio. DSL probably worked because it was using OSS or ALSA, not the latest.
[23:50] <mlissner> H8sMikeMoore: He's all yours.
[23:50] <H8sMikeMoore> okay heh
[23:51] <Chessguy> <-------------------loves GIMP
[23:51] <mlissner> I'm going to throw my hat in the ring for assistance. Does anybody have any ideas how to get banshee to work? It suddenly stopped loading for me today. Running banshee --debug yields no answers.
[23:51] <kiheikev> having trouble with installing mplayer-mozilla and 8.04 hardy heron
[23:52] <wesley> currently nothing, but i wasa trying to use ich5, since thats what the diagnoses tool tells me i got, if i reboot after everything is set to alsa, i can get that high pitched sound to play
[23:52] <kiheikev> I get depends errors
[23:52] <mlissner> When I start banshee, it gets about halfway through loading the GUI, then gets stuck.
[23:52] <Ogre> Guys, I'm really new to Ubuntu, and I'm trying to get the Desktop Cube in compiz to work, and I set the Unfold hot key to <Control>z but when I press that nothing happens
[23:52] <wesley> should i come back after 9.04 is installed?
[23:53] <mlissner> wesley: It'd be wise, yeah. You're trying to debug a moving target otherwise.
[23:53] <Ogre> but if I change the workstations from 2x2 to 4x1 it works, but it's not a cube, it shows them all next to each other
[23:53] <IdleOne> wesley, would be best to try and resolve the issue once the os is installed
[23:53] <mlissner> Banshee help? Anybody?
[23:53] <wesley> ok thanx, ill be back unless the update solves it, (crossed fingers :P)
[23:53] <Chessguy> I have samba share working for my ntfs partition of my desktop and laptop so I can access My Documents, etc. I was wondering if there was a way to set it up so these folders automatically sync with each other.......grsync give an error
[23:53] <Retardedpope> does the upgrade method for ubuntu server work for ubuntu desktop as well?
[23:53] <mlissner> wesley: Great. Fingers crossed here too.
[23:54] <quietshaman> Good eve all... major naive newbie (to Ubuntu) here. Is anyone available that could answer a question or two?
[23:54] <kiaas_> Retardedpope, you mean sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade?
[23:54] <Mka> Just installed Ubuntu 9.04, I cant get the 3D compiz cube working.
[23:54] <ascheel> !ask | quietshaman
[23:54] <kiaas_> Retardedpope, because if so, yes.
[23:54] <Chessguy> Mka: under add/remove programs search "ccsm" install that
[23:54] <Retardedpope> kiaas_: no, the do-release-upgrade
[23:55] <Ogre> Guys, I'm really new to Ubuntu, and I'm trying to get the Desktop Cube in compiz to work, and I set the Unfold hot key to <Control>z but when I press that nothing happens. but if I change the workstations from 2x2 to 4x1 it works, but it's not a cube, it shows them all next to each other
[23:55] <Chessguy> Mka: then configure it from that
[23:55] <kiheikev> Can someone help me with sound on a 8.04 heron install?
[23:55] <Retardedpope> I'm trying to upgrade to 9.04
[23:55] <Berzerker> Retardedpope, sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:55] <IdleOne> Retardedpope, dist-upgrade
[23:55] <Mka> Chessguy: installed ccsm and enabled 3D cube from it but it does not work. other features of compiz do work
[23:56] <Chessguy> Mka: i'm out :P
[23:56] <Retardedpope> I haven't used this computer for a while and know it seams like I'm gonna be using it again, so I want to upgrade it
[23:56] <Chessguy> Mka: middle clicked?
[23:56] <quietshaman> well....I wiped out my network icon from the panel on a new install of ububtu. I now don't know how to get it bck...you know the little green icon that lets you view available networks and wireless connections?? Help
[23:56] <Chessguy> and drag
[23:56] <Mka> Chessguy: yep
[23:56] <Chessguy> Mka: ok beyond that i'm newb :P
[23:56] <Mka> Chessguy: Ok thx
[23:56] <Chessguy> Mka: sry
[23:57] <Berzerker> quietshaman, do you have other notifications show up?
[23:57] <Immo_Phagg> I have been banned in #windows, and #hardware, can someone help me get back in
[23:57] <Immo_Phagg> Who can help
[23:57] <Berzerker> Immo_Phagg, no one, go away.
[23:57] <IdleOne> Immo_Phagg, no we cant
[23:57] <docgnome> Immo_Phagg: if you got banned you probably deserved it.
[23:57] <Immo_Phagg> You can and you will
[23:58] <Berzerker> ugh
[23:58] <Immo_Phagg> No I didn't I wasn't even n
[23:58] <Berzerker> someone ban him please.
[23:58] <Immo_Phagg> Why
[23:58] <IdleOne> Immo_Phagg, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:58] <quietshaman> yes...all else is ok. I accidently hit "delete from panel"
[23:58] <Immo_Phagg> I am already there
[23:58] <ascheel> Immo_Phagg: do you need help on using Ubuntu?  If not, your questions won't be able to get any answers in here.
[23:58] <Mka> Chessguy: Aaah!, I got it to work on ccsm, was bit panicking. cheers. I'm out.
[23:59] <Berzerker> quietshaman, well the network icon should be attached to your other notifications, so if you removed that, you should have removed other notifications
[23:59] <nacho__> how can i change kubuntu to ubuntu??? i think that is the cause that my laptop gets hot and shuts down
[23:59] <Chessguy> Mka: awesome bye! :)
[23:59] <docgnome> nacho__: you can install the ubuntu-desktop package
[23:59] <docgnome> iirc
[23:59] <fryfrog> Anyone know anything about screen rotation with intel driver?
[23:59] <quietshaman> maybe I removed all notifications....I have battery status indicator, screen brightness widget, etc.
[23:59] <lucky> nacho__: you can install the ubuntu-desktop package, however it is very unlikely that it is the cause of your laptop's overheating.
[23:59] <fryfrog> I've tried Option "Rotate" with "CW" and "right" with no luck :/


[04:13] <JackFrost> arraybolt3: ...Bored?
[04:14] <arraybolt3> More busy than bored, whatcha up to?
[04:14] <JackFrost> Meh, nah then.  I was gonna give you a link for ISOs.
[04:15] <arraybolt3> Which ones? I like new ISOs. :)
[04:18] <arraybolt3> i EVEN HAVE A FAST ISO TESTER.
[04:18] <arraybolt3> (semi-oops caps lock)
[04:23] <arraybolt3> JackFrost: I literally thought you were a Xubuntu developer I hadn't seen before the whole time I've seen you here. It only just now dawned on me that you're probably Unit193 (which a /whois just confirmed).
[04:23] <JackFrost> Ahahahaa
[04:23] <arraybolt3> Alright, that's just too funny. Where's the ISO?
[04:23] <arraybolt3> I actually do have a bit of time to play with that sort of thing, and my vm-isotest script makes it fast.
[04:24] <JackFrost> Got something that can test UEFI+sec?
[04:24] <arraybolt3> Yep.
[04:24] <JackFrost> There ya go.
[04:25] <arraybolt3> Thanks, testing!
[04:28] <arraybolt3> (Funny thing, my vm-isotest script actually *can't* do Secure Boot yet, but GNOME Boxes can... or I can add SecBoot functionality right now :D)
[04:29] <JackFrost> Funnily enough, I have a PowerEdge that needs bnx firmware for network, Debian's mini.iso of course was useless and had issues with the non-free installer too.  But booting this and doing a debootstrap install worked like a charm. :P
[04:29] <arraybolt3> Heh, advantages of being a Linux developer I guess?
[04:30] <arraybolt3> (Oh that lovely feeling when you're lookking at code you wrote 6 months ago and have almost no idea how it works D-X)
[04:31] <JackFrost> Just feels weird booting a UI on server hardware...
[04:31] <JackFrost> My plan for the actual install will be to boot this on the old and new host, set up ssh, and rsync everything over to "install". :P
[04:32] <arraybolt3> Out of curiosity, where are you running this PowerEdge at? I wanted to buy one to act as a build server some time ago, but then was scared off when I found out that running them in a residential area could be breaking FCC rules.
[04:33] <JackFrost> Not at home, and this is an old beast anyway.  1950.
[04:34] <arraybolt3> o_O They had servers back then?!
[04:34] <arraybolt3> Oh, wait, you mean it's a Dell Poweredge 1950, not a 1950' Dell Poweredge. My brain may not be working all the way correctly...
[04:35] <JackFrost> Computer years maybe.
[04:36] <JackFrost> Still though, older CPUs but 8 cores and 16G of ram is nice for a server.
[04:38] <JackFrost> It won't be a buildserver, anyway.
[04:50] <arraybolt3> OK, here's hoping my new Secure Boot support works...
[04:50] <arraybolt3> I mean it can boot Kubuntu anyway (waiting for the other one to download)
[04:51] <arraybolt3> Alright, looks like it works!
[04:52] <JackFrost> I don't even have a nice way to test UEFI alone.
[04:52] <arraybolt3> Well then you'll love this script.
[04:52] <arraybolt3> You can do a UEFI test on a BIOS system even.
[04:52] <JackFrost> I don't have nor plan to use "Boxes"
[04:52] <arraybolt3> I'll push my changes once I verify they work, then send you the link. It's just a script that runs QEMU.
[04:52] <arraybolt3> But it's somewhat fancy :)
[04:53] <arraybolt3> Like you can do "vm-isotest -live -nodisk -secboot -m 8G -cpus 4 l kinetic-desktop-amd64.iso.
[04:54] <arraybolt3> (Argh, my connection to my IRC bouncer is lagging so I keep deleting characters I didn't mean to :P)
[04:54] <arraybolt3> Like you can do "vm-isotest -live -nodisk -secboot -m 8G -cpus 4 -ll kinetic-desktop-amd64.iso".
[04:54] <arraybolt3> Oh. My. Gosh.
[04:54] <arraybolt3> Like you can do "vm-isotest -live -nodisk -secboot -m 8G -cpus 4 -l kinetic-desktop-amd64.iso".
[04:54] <arraybolt3> ^ didn't typo it this time!
[04:57] <arraybolt3> Anyway I'm happy to be the local UEFI and Secure Boot tester, it's kind of fun.
[04:57] <JackFrost> Thanks for checking it.
[05:13] <arraybolt3> JackFrost: OK, finished downloading the ISO. When I booted it, I saw a ton of "Prohibited by security policy" messages scroll down, but it then let me proceed to boot the ISO properly.
[05:14] <arraybolt3> Installation seems to be working.
[05:23] <arraybolt3> Thanks to a boffo in my script, getting the installed system to boot was a challenge, but it boots and seems to work! I really am liking it.
[05:23] <JackFrost> \o/
[05:25] <arraybolt3> Firefox is working to stream media. For a second I thought audio was borked but then I figured out it was muted :P
[05:27] <arraybolt3> I say it's a success. Also, very nice work on this, it's very comfortable and easy to use.
[06:45] <JackFrost> It's basically Xubuntu.
[06:46] <arraybolt3> Well you and everyone else here did a really good job on Xubuntu too. :)


[02:04] <cscheib> jrwren: Truck Stop Organics coffee?
[11:55] <jcastro> rick_h_: any word on those party pics?
[11:56] <rick_h_> jcastro: oh yea, on the camera. Will try to pull them today.
[11:57] <jcastro> it would be hilarious if you lost them because you forgot to put them in the cloud
[11:58] <rick_h_> :P
[11:58] <rick_h_> when you're on holiday with 0 bars of anything the cloud doesn't exist any more
[11:58] <jcastro> rick_h_: man dude, so I made a "Snappy server" out of an old laptop
[11:58] <jcastro> and did the docker container thing
[11:58] <jcastro> it's basically, pretty f'ing awesome
[11:58]  * rick_h_ reminds self to download more music into offline on his phone
[11:59] <rick_h_> jcastro: very cool
[11:59] <jcastro> it's basically an appliance at that point
[11:59] <jcastro> well, until I ran out of disk space but that was my fault
[13:04] <jrwren> cscheib: yes, that coffee.
[13:44] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:45] <cmaloney> Reminder: CHC tonight
[13:58] <cmaloney> Also: tomorrow is Zoomance.
[13:58] <cmaloney> 21+ Detroit Zoo.
[13:59] <cmaloney> JoDee and I got tickets. :)
[14:01] <rick_h_> ooh
[14:01] <rick_h_> sounds fun
[14:02] <cmaloney> Yeah, got an email about it yesterday.
[14:02] <cmaloney> They have a wine series which is already sold out
[14:02] <cmaloney> bastards.
[14:49] <cmaloney> http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/07/microsoft-to-cut-7800-more-jobs-mostly-in-its-hardware-division/
[14:50] <cmaloney> so can we officially call the Nokia merger a patent and technology takeover?
[15:13] <cmaloney> Heh, sad thing is there's no patents involved. They're just licensed.
[16:32] <cmaloney> http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/07/logitech-to-rebrand-as-logi-dropping-tech-from-its-name/
[16:32] <cmaloney> dafuq?
[16:38] <jrwren> LG was goldstar :)
[16:43] <rick_h_> logi?
[16:43] <rick_h_> souds like an emoji name or something
[16:44] <rick_h_> or one of those electronic pets you had to push buttons to keep alive
[16:44] <jrwren> tomaguchi ?
[16:44] <rick_h_> there you go!
[16:44] <rick_h_> logi the tomaguchi (sp?)
[16:45] <jrwren> Tamagotchi
[17:14] <cscheib> I suspect you're making that association, because I think there was a knockoff called digi-pet or something like that
[17:15] <rick_h_> cscheib: totally possible
[17:23] <cmaloney> Yeah, I don't understand this rebranding at all
[17:23] <cmaloney> sounds like the combination of loogie and emoji
[17:37] <cmaloney> http://www.logitech.com/
[17:37] <cmaloney> Apparently Ars got it wrong
[17:37] <cmaloney> it's Logitech is still the name of the parent company.
[18:26] <rick_h_> jcastro: pulled pics off and working on importing/etc
[18:26] <rick_h_> jcastro: only one came out 'ok' it was too dark down there. The funny shot is kind of cool blurry, kids going nuts
[18:26] <rick_h_> jcastro: should have brought a more automatic lens for the guy taking the pic to use :(
[18:28] <cmaloney> party?
[18:58] <cmaloney> http://www.theonion.com/article/area-woman-finally-uploads-all-12-million-pictures-30443 <- for rick_h_
[18:59] <rick_h_> jcastro: https://flic.kr/p/vKQMDp
[18:59] <rick_h_> smoser: jrwren ^
[18:59] <rick_h_> sorry, but at 1/2 shutter speed <3 oly image stabilization to get it that good hand held by a stranger
[19:00] <rick_h_> on a manual focus lens heh
[19:00] <jrwren> that baby's face is scary :)
[19:00] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Should have thought of that beforehand. ;)
[19:00] <jrwren> poor smoser baby
[19:01] <rick_h_> lol
[19:01] <rick_h_> well I thought I'd get some protraits so threw in a 45mm/75mm, only thing wide I had was the MF lens :(
[19:01] <smoser> the lighting not so good there.
[19:01] <cmaloney> "Lessee, camera will be about 4 meters away, at 1/12 shutter speed the focal length should be... wait, let me get a napkin and a pen"
[19:02] <jrwren> too bad it was raining outside
[19:03] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, and I should have done better test shots
[19:03] <rick_h_> but was rushing with everyone trying to line up
[19:03] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Seriously though, if that's a shitty shot then your camera is pretty good at compensating
[19:04] <cmaloney> Nothing to be ashamed of there.
[19:04] <rick_h_> https://flic.kr/p/vtfm4U for the full movement pic (non-color compensated and all that)
[19:05] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, group pics are hard, especially in less than ideal lighting. It's why most are done outside
[19:05] <cmaloney> smoser-baby is not staying still for anything in the world.
[19:15] <jrwren> my girl is a demon in that one.
[19:15] <jrwren> she is showing her true form.
[19:16] <cmaloney> the true face of Wren?
[19:20] <cscheib> is that jorge's basement, finished now?


[00:54] <skd5aner> is there a way to shut off the ubuntu updates pop-up?  It comes up over the mythtv window, and I'd prefer to just manage it myself via apt and the cli
[00:54] <SmallwoodDR82> i click on settings and unchecked all the update sections, important, recommended, etc...
[18:17] <qwebirc13862> Hi! Can someone help me with a mythbuntu question? I am a total Linux noob so sorry for perhaps a dumb question
[18:23] <tgm4883> qwebirc13862, ask
[18:24] <qwebirc13862> I installed mythbuntu 12.04.3 on a USB stick with 3 gigabyte persitence using unetbooting. After booting it it works fine and I get to this desktop on-disk.com/images/screenshots/mythbuntu_10.04_screenshot.jpg I only installed firefox which works fine.  After rebooting everything was good again. But last time I rebooted it came to a login window which
[18:25] <qwebirc13862> is there any way to get it back to my desktop again?
[18:25] <tgm4883> Hmm, there shouldn't be a login required. Have you tried no password and the user 'ubuntu'
[18:28] <qwebirc13862> yes I tried that and many other logins and passwords like sudo and other things I read on different forums. There were always different problems which sounded a bit like mine but I couln´t find someone with the same problem
[18:29] <tgm4883> I'm not sure since it's still basically a live disk. You might see if you can login in single user mode and reset the password
[18:29] <qwebirc13862> The strange thing is it started many times to the desktop. I did not change something on settings or installed something. It just did not shut down properly and now the login window comes instead of my desktop :(
[18:30] <qwebirc13862> I will try that. Sorry for the question but how do i start single user mode?
[18:31] <qwebirc13862> this is what appears now instead of the desktop http://i.stack.imgur.com/5Ovnz.png
[18:32] <qwebirc13862> I tried many user/login combos but none did work
[18:33] <tgm4883> that doesn't look like a mythbuntu
[18:34] <qwebirc13862> where in the pic is izx/guest account option at my window it shows xfce or mythbuntu to choose
[18:35] <tgm4883> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[18:36] <qwebirc13862> hmm thtas the thing which confuses me. I thought this would be perhaps the frontend or backend and not the desktop I used to know. I just need the desktop again but dont know who. Last step would be a new install. But I need to know what I did wrong so it wont happen again
[18:39] <qwebirc13862> Thank you for the link! Perhaps this will get my lovely desktop back :) But how can that happen. All the times I used it and the desktop started I did not need a password. Strange
[18:42] <qwebirc13862> Thank you tgm4883 for your time and help! I will try the things. If nothing works I come back here. Thank you!!
[18:44] <Kwisher_wrk> anyone know how i can downgrade mythtv from .27 to .26 while running 13.10? f/e only so no db worries
[21:45] <disputin> quit
[21:45] <disputin> quit
[23:56] <skd5aner> is there a default password for the mythtv user?