[05:24] <skellat> Could somebody please help resolve this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12476492#post12476492
[21:38] <jrgifford> i won't make it tonight, sorry. :(
[21:39] <skellat> jrgifford: There will be a transcript posted to the wiki with slides interleaved
[21:39] <jrgifford> yay!
[21:43] <skellat> Hunh? http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/01/ubuntu-phones-to-come-with-a-terminal-prepare-your-command-line-skills/
[21:43] <jrgifford> yeah, i saw that
[21:44] <jrgifford> that means jandrusk will be able to use his org mode from *inside* emacs in a year.
[21:44] <jrgifford> on his phone.
[21:44] <paultag> silly jrgifford
[21:44] <paultag> orgmode has an app already for phones
[21:45] <jrgifford> paultag: ah, but orgmode is best used in the original emacs, or so i'm told.
[21:45] <paultag> http://orgmode.org/manual/MobileOrg.html
[21:45] <jrgifford> just like Shakespeare in the original klingon.
[21:45] <paultag> q'plah


[00:07] <bluegrass900> Hi. I'm using Ubuntu MATE. In the top right corner at the left of my left-most icon on the panel I have a little green | just like that
[00:07] <krytarik> (This is #kubuntu.)
[00:07] <bluegrass900> just a line like that that is green that doesn't seem to be for anything.
[00:07] <bluegrass900> It's there sometimes, not always.
[00:07] <bluegrass900> Is this some kind of spyware?
[00:08] <bluegrass900> Doesn't seem legitimate to me. All my other icons are white.
[00:08] <bluegrass900> This vertical line is green.
[01:07] <mparillo> I doubt it is spyware, but you can always back up your user data, and overwrite your install with Kubuntu. Nuke it from Orbit: It is the only way to be sure.
[01:12] <mparillo> Then you restore your user data to a clean fresh Kubuntu install.
[04:01] <SzykCech> Cze Kodziołki i (amig) Ofce!!!
[04:02] <SzykCech> OMG!!! NTC!!!
[06:00] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:37] <hateball> I am going crazy, can't get Quassel to stop auto-joining some channels
[08:37] <hateball> I part them, quit Quassel, but it still rejoins when I start Quassel again
[08:38] <Unit193> Perhaps it has something set in the autojoin commands setting?
[08:38] <lordievader> Or a list of channels that it should autojoin.
[08:39] <hateball> lordievader: there is no such list in quassel, it tries to rejoin whatever you were connected to at shutdown
[08:39] <hateball> Unit193: nope!
[08:40] <hateball> And I dont wish to remove the channels fully, because that erases history, and I might want to rejoin at a later point
[08:40] <Unit193> I'd check the config file "manually". >_>
[08:40] <Unit193> However, it's been a long time since I've used quassel, and at the time was only playing with it in core mode.
[08:41] <hateball> all its settings are in a sqlite db which makes it a pain
[08:42] <hateball> Perhaps it is time for a goodbye
[08:44] <hateball> yeah, not even if I gently disconnect freenode before killing quassel
[08:44]  * hateball screams
[08:45] <Unit193> Ah, so you're not using postgresql.  sqlitebrowser! ;)
[08:45] <Unit193> I'll leave you in the more capable hands of lordievader.
[08:46] <lordievader> Sqlite? I'm out 😝
[09:28] <SLegron> hello!!
[09:29] <SLegron> who are here?
[09:29] <hateball> Hello SLegron, do you have a support question?
[09:30] <SLegron> yeah,kubuntu am ubuntu?
[09:31] <SLegron> and why you hate a ball?
[09:38] <hateball> SLegron: Kubuntu is Ubuntu based, but uses KDE Plasma instead of GNOME
[09:39] <SLegron> So,now i use kubuntu?Because installed KDE
[09:39] <SLegron> or i don't understand
[09:48] <hateball> SLegron: It's mostly about what is installed default. You can choose to use GNOME even after you install Kubuntu as well
[09:51] <SLegron> just,my PC need new OS
[09:52] <SLegron> linux was crash
[09:54] <SLegron> Thank for help!
[09:54] <SLegron> goodbye
[13:51] <IrcsomeBot1> Juraj H was added by: Juraj H
[16:12] <StucKman> I have Kubuntu latest with us intl dead keys configuration, but both firefox and thinderbird do not honor this
[16:12] <StucKman> so instead of é, I get ´e
[16:12] <StucKman> any ideas? looking for this on the web is incredibly difficult, I get link to the programs' shortcut lists
[16:13] <StucKman> these are the only apps showing this behaviour
[16:21] <genii> They are both GTK instead of Qt apps, likely some GTK setting instead of something within Kubuntu itself
[16:22] <StucKman> hmmm
[16:23] <StucKman> I have another machone, with Debian Sid and probably an older KDE, and I don't get this behaviour there...
[16:23] <StucKman> lemme check versions
[16:34] <StucKman> this is the versions matrix for kde stuff: http://pastebin.centos.org/878121/
[17:23] <airking> So, weird issue
[17:23] <airking> I have 3 monitors
[17:24] <airking> One is DPI output from my gfx card to HDMI on the monitor, one is DVI -> DVI, the third is HDMI to DVI.  This works with no issues on windows
[17:24] <airking> as soon as I boot linux, the HDMI -> DVI monitor doesn't work
[17:24] <airking> I've tried other cables, and other ports
[17:24] <airking> nothing works
[17:25] <airking> the display menu knows the monitor is there and that it exists
[17:26] <airking> and it worked when I first installed kubuntu
[17:26] <airking> I just rebooted one day and it died
[17:53] <spaced0ut2_> thats a bummer
[17:54] <spaced0ut2_> i haven't had any issue with linux and multiple monitors
[17:54] <spaced0ut2_> hear about it all the time though
[17:55] <spaced0ut2_> can you drag a window over to that screen over top of the black?
[18:08] <Elw3> airking i have the same hdmi>dvi and it died too.
[18:09] <Elw3> And then started working again with no reason.
[19:16] <RlndVt> I'm looking to set-up the meta key as alt+f1/to start the launcher, but I can't get it to work. I used to work before I used latte-dock but now after removing latte-dock it doesn't. Anyone have any tips/ideas?
[20:33] <spirithawk> I have kubuntu 18.04 on a laptop how to I change workgroup name I couldn't see text on prompts on install person helping me was busy didn't get hostname or workgroup name set on install
[20:34] <spirithawk> i know how to set hostname
[20:37] <spirithawk> please help me i am a newbie to kubuntu
[20:50] <RlndVt> There was a line in my kwinrc file for 'modifier only hotkeys'  which was set to do something for latte-dock, removed that and that should fix it...
[21:04] <joeman1> .
[21:26] <rbs> hey guys, first time on irc, whats up
[21:37] <rschalch> does anyone know when plasma 5.13 will be available for 18.04? I'm not willing to install KDE Neon
[21:44] <frank_> Hi
[21:44] <frank_> I am relatively new in kubunto
[21:44] <rschalch> hey frank
[21:45] <frank_> can yu help me to install skype_?
[21:45] <frank_> and I think Linux is great... just migrate from Winows 10 :)
[21:46] <rschalch> just download the deb file from the official site and double click it ... easy as pie
[21:48] <frank_> status: error cannot satisfy dependencies
[21:48] <frank_> I got the above error
[21:49] <rschalch> did you put your password?
[21:49] <frank_> no password was required
[21:49] <rschalch> linux ask permissions for installing new apps
[21:50] <frank_> I just doble click on it and no password was required and then that error appear
[21:51] <rschalch> you're using kubuntu 18.04?
[21:51] <frank_> so... if I remove my admin password it will probably work?
[21:52] <frank_> no.. I cannot leave the password blank
[21:52] <rschalch> are you using kubuntu 18.04?
[21:54] <frank_> 16.10
[21:56] <rschalch> it would be better if you are using the latest version
[21:56] <rschalch> any errors on sudo apt update?
[21:56] <frank_> all right... Iĺl download it
[21:56] <frank_> thank you


[11:37] <kjetilho> one confusing thing with netplan in Focal is that the networkd configuration is not visible via systemctl?  or how?
[11:38] <kjetilho> e.g., if I want to enable a service iff bond0 is up, it would be nice to hook it into bond0.network or something.


[08:12] <soee> hi :)
[08:12] <soee> partition manager also does not work on plasma5
[09:09] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:42] <yofel> hm, partitionmanager indeed doesn't work
[09:43] <yofel> "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" looks rather weird though o.O
[09:45] <yofel> that's only when run from krunner though, works fine from konsole
[09:46] <yofel> although, that my SSD has no partition table is not quite correct @_@
[10:12] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:35] <soee> i can confirm what yofel said, it works when run from temrinal
[10:35] <soee> also it sees one global disk no partitions on it
[11:19] <jussi> gfay everyone :)
[11:19] <jussi> gday even :)
[11:20] <BluesKaj> hey jussi, soee
[11:22] <soee> hi BluesKaj
[11:25] <BluesKaj> soee, I backed off plasma5 and systemd, both gave me a lot of trouble
[18:17] <soee_> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/07/dropbox-experimental-linux-build-qt-rewrite
[18:27] <ScottK> Don't we want an unnoticed soname bump to FTBFS so we can rename the package?
[18:28] <santa_> yes, that's the point of that changes
[18:30] <ScottK> Ok. I'm on my phone so I only had the snippet of the commit log here.
[18:31] <ScottK> Thanks.
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[05:06] <cpaelzer> good tired morning
[07:01] <OpenTokix> The new installer is not in the nightly cd yet?
[07:01] <OpenTokix> For 18.04
[08:02] <mwhudson> OpenTokix: it's a separate download
[08:02] <mwhudson> OpenTokix: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-live/
[08:30] <OpenTokix> ah, ok
[11:11] <RoyK> Last I checked, the new installer didn't support manual setup with LVM, RAID or FDE, and didn't even recognise such setups if they were there already, so I find it rather useless
[11:12] <RoyK> seems like someone at Canonical is frantically about making everything userfriendly - fine - but most server admins don't need that, they need something that actually works and can do the job
[11:15] <OpenTokix> RoyK: sounds sub-optimal
[11:16] <OpenTokix> RoyK: not sure what userfriendly mean. - I am a user of the product,  - do not feel friendly.
[11:17] <OpenTokix> Since user friendly seems to mean "This is made for a novice"
[11:18] <RoyK> it clearly is "sub-optimal" to put it mildly, but I didn't see it before the 18.04 freeze, and as I know these people, I guess they'll name my suggestions a new "feature"
[11:18] <RoyK> yes, and that's fine for some, but it shouldn't be the default installer when it lacks very important things
[11:20] <RoyK> Seems it's documented at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes, so apparently, hiding such things in the "alternate" installer, is the "solution".
[11:23] <OpenTokix> I wonder of much preseed has broken from 16.04 now...
[11:44] <coreycb> jamespage: beisner: i'm promoting queens-proposed -> queens-updates now
[11:53] <webstoney> cd /test
[11:55] <OpenTokix> webstoney@irc: /test:$
[12:48] <Neo4> who know how to correct this DOM:  NOT OK
[12:48] <Neo4> I"ve got this error in roundcube
[12:58] <jamespage> coreycb: ack
[12:58] <jamespage> thanks
[12:58] <Neo4> see here, I've got error http://kselax.ru/roundcubemail-1.3.6/installer/
[12:59] <Neo4> how to install php extensions, DOM and XML?
[12:59] <Neo4> I did apt-cashe search php5 and there couldn't have found them
[13:04] <Neo4> that I fixed apt-get install php5.6-xml helped
[13:04] <Neo4> what is this date.timezone:  NOT OK(not set)
[13:05] <RoyK> Neo4: I guess the people at #roundcube may know a bit more about this
[13:06] <RoyK> but generally speaking, it's probably that date.timezone isn't set in the config - whereever that is, I don't know - I've never used roundcube
[13:06] <Neo4> RoyK: there silence , and little number humans
[13:06] <RoyK> ok
[13:07] <Neo4> I never use too
[13:08] <RoyK> Neo4: http://bfy.tw/Hmtr
[13:12] <Neo4> RoyK: nice
[13:28] <beisner> woot coreycb ta
[15:26] <rbasak> ahasenack: you were talking about nss-myhostname. That reminded me of: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1764853
[15:26] <rbasak> Sorry wrong URL
[15:26] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1741277/comments/5
[15:27] <ahasenack> rbasak: hm, so how come I have it installed
[15:27] <rbasak> ahasenack: I don't see myhostname enabled in a Bionic daily container
[15:27] <ahasenack> maybe a dependency of something else I needed
[15:27] <ahasenack> the bionic desktop I installed also has it
[15:27] <ahasenack> libnss-myhostname
[15:27] <ahasenack> Reverse Depends:
[15:27] <ahasenack>   gnome-control-center
[15:27] <ahasenack> ?
[15:29] <Hey> regarding adding a maas windows image, the name field refers to the name of the file?  and the content@ refers to the location of the directory where the file resides?
[16:37] <teward> are there release notes draft(s) anywhere?
[16:37] <teward> oop nevermind, found what I needed.
[16:38] <nacc> teward: the usual place :)
[16:43] <teward> oh, right, release is this week heh.  I almost completely forgot xD  Guess it's time to take a full disk image of my existing system so I can blow away and start over with 18.04 xD
[20:18] <supert8ch> anyone familiar with installing ubuntu on dell blade server with dual drive?


[04:11] <lexhider> Riddell: are you about?
[08:13] <pef> hello
[10:12] <Tm_T> did I mention ddos earlier ?
[10:13] <Tm_T> not funny
[11:21] <icefox> _Sime|afk: ping :-)
[12:33] <_Sime|Zzz> icefox: :-/ we're just in completely different timezones (GMT+1). Maybe I should write an email or a blog post or something....
[12:38] <icefox> i'm here :)
[12:51] <icefox> I am also GMT+1
[12:52] <Riddell> have the clocks gone back here?
[12:52] <icefox> define "here"
[12:54] <Riddell> looks like scotland
[12:55] <Riddell> at least two flights away from where I was last night
[12:55] <Riddell> only 8 hours to go until I can sleep without getting my sleeping patterns messed up more, woo
[12:56] <freeflying> Riddell:hi
[12:57] <freeflying> Riddel: anyone works kde3.5 on dapper
[01:09] <Riddell> freeflying: I will be this week
[01:11] <freeflying> Riddell:great ! there are many problems to using 3.5 in dapper
[01:39] <pef> Riddell: hello Jonathan
[01:45] <Riddell> hi pef
[01:45] <pef> Riddell: can I have your opinon on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=868 ?
[01:46] <Riddell> pef: what's been modified?
[01:47] <pef> Riddell: only changelog entry and Depends (gl depends)
[02:17] <Riddell> pef: mixxx compiles
[02:17] <Riddell> pef: if you're looking for something to package http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10185
[02:17] <Riddell> update of konversation needed
[02:23] <Riddell> hmm, new amarok too today
[02:24] <Tm_T> uh
[02:25] <Tm_T> http://jamesots.blogspot.com/2005/11/suses-khelpcenter.html
[02:25] <Tm_T> yes yes yes
[02:43] <pef> Riddell: can I upload mixxx or should I ask opinion of another motu ?
[02:44] <Riddell> pef: got a debdiff?
[02:45] <pef> Riddell: 2mins
[02:47] <Tm_T> Riddell: what you think, new css to kubuntu help too? ;)
[02:48] <Riddell> Tm_T: sure, if you make one
[02:48] <Tm_T> I can try
[02:48] <Riddell> it's more than the CSS
[02:48] <Riddell> XSLT too
[02:48] <Tm_T> ah, true
[02:48] <Riddell> or at least the images
[02:49] <Tm_T> I'll check that one, shouldn't be too hard
[02:51] <pef> Riddell: http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/mixxx/mixxx_1.4.2-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[02:52] <jjesse> Riddell: how's those stylesheets comming?
[02:52] <Riddell> pef: looks groovy, upload
[02:52] <Riddell> jjesse: err, yeah
[02:52] <Riddell> if I could think today that would help
[02:54] <pef> Riddell: konversarion merge on bugzilla is assigned to you
[02:54] <pef> Riddell: will test my first upload :)
[02:54] <pef> as motu
[02:54] <Riddell> pef: many entires on bugzilla are assigned to me, I'm not going to get round to all of them
[02:55] <pef> Riddell: If I want to work on it, should I change assignement or just add a comment ?
[02:56] <Riddell> pef: you should change assignment, or you can just go ahead and do it
[02:56] <pef> Riddell: does merges problem for universe are filled on bugzilla too ?
[02:57] <Riddell> pef: I'm not sure
[03:09] <pef> Riddell: I will do the konversation sync this evening :)
[03:09] <pef> have to go to work now
[03:10] <hunger_> Damn... and tonight I have to be in a hotel without net! No updates for me till friday night:-(
[03:25] <pef> Riddell: just a question about uploads to archive, how can I know if my upload was successfull ? is a mail on dapper-changes the only way ?
[03:30] <Riddell> pef: it should e-mail you after 5 minutes with ACCEPTED or REJECTED or NEW
[03:35] <pef> Riddell: mm nothing, maybe silently disappeared :/
[03:36] <Riddell> pef: probably means your e-mail isn't whitelisted yet, poke elmo
[03:37] <pef> Riddell: I already ask him, he told me it is whitelisted
[03:38] <pef> Riddell: I should use this dput config to upload to universe, isn't it ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads
[03:41] <Riddell> pef: yes
[03:42] <pef> Riddell: dput foo-x.y_sources.changes ?
[03:42] <Riddell> dput ubuntu foo....changes
[03:42] <Riddell> but the ubuntu shouldn't be necessary
[03:43] <pef> dput ubuntu mypackage_3.2.3-2ubuntu2_source.changes as specified on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads
[03:43] <pef> mmm
[03:49] <pef> "Any new packages uploaded are put in a queue to be checked by James Troup (elmo) before being included."
[03:49] <pef> ok, it's the problem :)
[03:49] <Riddell> you should still get a NEW e-mail
[04:03] <pef> Riddell: still nothing
[04:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping
[04:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[04:53] <Tonio_> hi Riddell
[04:53] <Tonio_> I was wondering about your kftpgrabber revu
[04:53] <Tonio_> I don't understand what the point is that it has been packaged by another personn...
[04:54] <Tonio_> as long as this one is not submitted to revu
[04:54] <Tonio_> would you suggest that we merge our work ?
[04:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: it was just a note to myself
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay ;)
[04:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: yours was first so it has priority but it might be worth seeing if the other one does anything better
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course, that's not because "I wanna be the first" ;)
[04:55] <Tonio_> a package that I don't have to maintain is time to package a new one ;)
[04:56] <Tonio_> I may have a look at the other one
[04:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem with libssl-dev depandancy is resolved so I may start uploads toonight or tomorow
[05:20] <\sh> moins riddell...
[05:21] <Riddell> is that CD design insane or not?
[05:23] <\sh> wow
[05:24] <Riddell> that doesn't answer my question :)
[05:24] <\sh> but remove the black shirt and make a blue breastholder out of it ,)
[05:24] <\sh> sorry
[05:24] <\sh> it's great
[05:25] <\sh> but the colored characters 5.10 are not good for the cover.
[05:26] <jjesse> that's an awesome cd cover
[05:26] <\sh> or move them to the left lower edge
[05:27] <\sh> Riddell: btw...I got the request to work with the debian maintainer on the  pyqt stuff
[05:27] <Riddell> \sh: oh, very cool
[05:27] <\sh> yeah...that will give me more time to work on other things...
[05:29] <Riddell> \sh: who is the debian maintainer?
[05:29] <\sh> Riddell: for eric it's torsten marek
[05:30] <\sh> and for the rest is Ricardo Cardenes Medina
[05:30] <\sh> and torsten is co-maintainer
[05:31] <\sh> jesus...i forgot my clothes in the washingmachine...
[05:31] <\sh> brb
[05:34] <seaLne> Riddell: i'm not convinced about the colored blocks in the cd cover
[05:36] <Riddell> seaLne: the 5.10 ones?
[05:36] <seaLne> yeah
[05:36] <Riddell> how about without the reflection?
[05:37] <seaLne> personally i dont like them
[05:37] <seaLne> "kubuntu" is also not very obvious i'd have said on that design
[05:38] <seaLne> maybe if kubuntu-girl was faded a bit?
[05:40] <seaLne> i'd prefer if kubuntu-girl was about 2/3 current size and kubuntu and 5.10.. was larger
[05:41] <seaLne> i don't think what the cd is really stands out atm
[05:49] <\sh> Kubuntu must be more white,and larger
[05:50] <\sh> the colored characters is imho a nogo...what about the same font but put it next to kubuntu in smaller letters..and move the whole kubuntu 5.10 The Breezy Badger more towards the middle
[05:50] <\sh> the girl is awsome..
[05:51] <\sh> whoever it is..tell her she is using the right distro :)
[05:51] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/cd-sleeve-1.png reload
[05:51] <hunger> Can I get a look at the girl, too? ;-)
[05:51] <Riddell> .svg is there for those who want to play about
[05:52] <Riddell> hunger: http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kubuntu-gurl/images.html
[05:52] <\sh> Riddell: much much better...
[05:52] <hunger> Riddell: Yeap, found it, sorry.
[05:53] <\sh> Riddell: and now remove the white stains on her pants please...it looks like she did some painting works
[05:54] <Riddell> \sh: trousers.  (you had me worried there)
[05:54] <\sh> oh well...
[05:54] <\sh> trousers
[05:54] <Riddell> did you not see the same coloured paint stains on my trousers? :)
[05:55] <\sh> Riddell: no...actually not...but it was night...and I had too much beer and too less sleep
[05:55] <lamont-away> Riddell: my currently (admittely might be superseded...) list is: aleph_0.9.0-2.1 amule_2.0.3-1ubuntu4 bibletime_1.5.1-1 gcc-snapshot_20051023-1 inkscape_0.42.2+0.43pre1-1 kdar_2.0.6-0ubuntu1 kdetv_0.8.8-0ubuntu1 kinstaller_0.2-0ubuntu1 klibido_0.2.3-0ubuntu1 krecipes_0.8.1-0ubuntu2 ksetispy_0.6.4-2build1 kshutdown_0.6.1-0ubuntu1 ktorrent_1.0-0ubuntu1 rosegarden4_1.0-1ubuntu3 superkaramba_0.36-1ubuntu2 swingwt_0.87-2 wordtrans_1.1pre13-5ubun
[05:55] <lamont-away> tu1
[05:55] <lamont-away> er, ICE list, that is...
[05:55] <lamont-away> plenty of kde-love is possible
[05:56] <\sh> oh jesus...klibido
[05:56] <\sh> more p0rn from usenet
[05:56] <Riddell> lamont-away: ok, thanks
[05:57] <lamont-away> Riddell: np.  thank you.
[05:57] <\sh> lamont-away: thx for the sig...
[05:57] <lamont-away> np
[05:58] <\sh> lamont-away: and have fun the next days :)
[07:41] <Drakeson> there was a badgerbadgerbadger session here in toronto yesterday
[07:41] <Drakeson> (jdub)
[07:41] <Drakeson> It was mostly around gnome and a little around ubuntu actually
[07:42] <Drakeson> I got a live CD from jdub there
[07:42] <Riddell> cool
[07:42] <Drakeson> I couldn't resist the temptation to try it ;)
[07:45] <Drakeson> the cover and sleeve are not very beautiful but I think that's good enough. I was thinking of having like those "three people" on the sleeve
[07:46] <Drakeson> if it is not finalized actually ;)
[07:50] <Riddell> Drakeson: http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/cd-sleeve-1.png
[07:50] <Riddell> Drakeson: http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/cd-sleeve-1.svg
[07:50] <Riddell> Drakeson: http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/cd-sleeve-back.svg
[07:51] <Drakeson> now I see there is a little issue there. let me fix it ...
[07:57] <Drakeson> Riddell: can you give me this file: /home/jr/kubuntu/kubuntu-gurl/kubuntu-gurlie-02.png
[07:58] <Riddell> Drakeson: uploaded to same directory
[08:04] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/cd-disk.svg
[08:04] <Riddell> I can't work out how to clip the logo to the disk there
[08:05] <_Sime> icefox: SYN
[08:05] <Drakeson> will do
[08:08] <Drakeson> good night Riddell :)
[08:20] <Riddell> Drakeson: if you have adobe software you can make it fit to the "CD Wallet" and "CD/DVD Duplication (Standard Coverage)" on http://www.amstore.co.uk/cd-dvd-artwork-templates.htm
[08:20] <Drakeson> illustrator or photoshop?
[09:03] <spstarr_work> Toronto?
[09:03] <spstarr_work> who? <- Toronto
[09:04] <spstarr_work> whos in Toronto?
[09:04] <Drakeson> me
[09:04] <Drakeson> what?
[09:04] <spstarr_work> Drakeson there was a badgerbadgerbadger session here in toronto yesterday <?
[09:04] <Drakeson> yep
[09:05] <spstarr_work> whats that?
[09:05] <Drakeson> jdub was here yesterday
[09:05] <Drakeson> Jeff Waugh I mean
[09:05] <spstarr_work> but whats a badgerx3 session?
[09:05] <spstarr_work> I dont think I've met jdub yet
[09:10] <Drakeson> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/
[09:10] <Drakeson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BadgerBadgerBadgerTour
[09:12] <Drakeson> anyway it went mostly around some cool apps in the gnome booth: Tomboy, Gstreamer's future, beagle, Istanbul, and a few more. also he talked about bazaar and launchpad
[09:15] <Drakeson> I discovered about 4-5 brains in the audience, other people were just usual linux users.
[10:00] <_Sime> Where are all the development manual pages, like xrandr(3)? I just can't find the right packages... anyone?
[10:14] <spstarr_work> rants
[10:14] <spstarr_work> whens the next one in Toronto? :)
[10:14] <Drakeson> next one? what do you mean? there is no next one as far as I know
[10:15] <spstarr_work> oh :(
[10:15] <Drakeson> are you in Toronto?
[10:15] <spstarr_work> yup
[10:15] <Drakeson> UofT?
[10:15] <spstarr_work> Markham right now :)
[10:15] <Drakeson> :)
[10:16] <Drakeson> I am now in the process of application for my phd ;)
[10:16] <spstarr_work> oh your in Scarborough? :)
[10:17] <Drakeson> no, in downtown
[10:17] <spstarr_work> oh
[10:17] <spstarr_work> im @ Warden / 14th
[10:19] <Drakeson> do you work for ati?
[10:20] <Tm_T> phew
[10:28] <spstarr_work> no
[10:28] <spstarr_work> but im not too far from them
[10:28] <spstarr_work> :-)


 blames firefox on my browser wierd that it appears to work on my phone is this some sort of cache issue?
 I'm hopping on the road. I'll check in every few hours but I'm waiting on vorlon to get back to me. I'd appreciate a cross-ping if someone sees it before me
 hey Simon
 I am working with vorlon to get things up to speed
 I'll get back to you in a bit (re @tsimonq2: I'm hopping on the road. I'll check in every few hours but I'm waiting on vorlon to get back to me. I'd appreciate a cross-ping if someone sees it before me)
[00:53] <guiverc> cross-ping how tsimonq2 ?
 Oh hey! This is really convenient actually :)
 guiverc: I was going to ask for someone to ping me when vorlon does but hi Utkarsh :)
[00:54] <guiverc> I'll ping (here) if I see related on -release @tsimonq2
[00:54] <guiverc> (and haven't seen you respond etc)
 Thank you :)
 @tsimonq2: the image build has started so it's only about 30 minutes of wait now until we can test
 Perfect!
[01:03] <guiverc> when we have daily; I'll zsync_mantic, write to thumb-drive, and install on old bios box (w/internet, no encryption), then on uefi box (no internet/encryption) but will take time of course...
[01:20] <guiverc> @utkarsh2102, I could have asked you here, if you know answer (iso.qa daily question in -release) feel free to respond
 replied ;)
[01:22] <guiverc> thanks
[01:29] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Beta] has been updated (20230922)
 guiverc: To be clear, if we already went through the full test suite, I'll draw the line against repeating all of the pedantic tests again for a targeted fix :)
[01:41] <guiverc> nah we haven't done all... I've listed 3 on iso.qa for me to do, 1 x BIOS, 2x uEFI (encrypt + no_encrypt)  or ~smoke-test
 That being said, it is imperative we confirm the file chooser works with Firefox. The LXQt one :)
[01:41]  * guiverc has started writing ISO to thumb-drive; this bit takes ages..
 Thank you!
[01:41] <guiverc> I also listed a LIVE test I usually do first, I can check that out on the LIVE system  (even post-install check too)
[01:42] <guiverc> (I'm meaning open firefox; go to fridge.ubuntu.com or web-site & right-click SAVE AS option should have us a menu etc)
[01:43] <guiverc> (me gets it on this mantic system, alas didn't yesterday on our live daily)
[02:08] <guiverc> tsimonq2, i suggest you check it... on live session (now running) I'm not getting a SAVE AS dialog in firefox..  using iso 20230922
 Does the manifest show both packages?
[02:11] <guiverc> remind me please  (I was looking for them, sorry I don't recall)
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/pending/mantic-desktop-amd64.manifest
[02:12] <guiverc> I have manifest open; package names are what I was after sorry
 Oh, lxqt-session and l-default-settings
[02:13] <guiverc> lxqt-session    1.3.0-0ubuntu2
[02:13] <guiverc> lubuntu-default-settings        23.10.2
 Is xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt installed?
[02:14] <guiverc> (both those packages on manifest apt-cache policy ^)
[02:15] <guiverc> xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt 0.4.0-0ubuntu1
[02:15] <guiverc> (& installed)
[02:15]  * guiverc attempting logout & login again on live session
 Could you open the bug report? Jeremy or smcv put in a command for debugging xdg-portals or similar
 As soon as I ran that commands on my end. It fixed something and give me a bunch of information.
[02:17] <guiverc> grrr.. I can't paste from live as not VM..
 Good 'ol pastebin then is.gd? :)
[02:18] <guiverc_live> (firefox:4480): Gtk-WARNING **: 02:17:02.694: Can't open portal file chooser: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: No such interface “org.freedesktop.portal.FileChooser” on object at path /org/freedesktop/portal/desktop
[02:19] <guiverc> (that is what I saw when I ran `firefox` from terminal & right-click SAVE AS ... I've not re-read bug report to look at details as per ^ yet)
[02:23] <guiverc> `systemctl --user show-environment` has XDG_CURRENT-DESKTOP=Lubuntu, DISPLAY=:0 XAUTHORITY=/tmp/blahblah
[02:24] <guiverc> . (for me on other box)   perl -pe 's/\0/\n/g' /proc/$(pgrep -f xdg-desktop-portal | head -n1)/enviro
[02:25] <guiverc> has same data (with 'n' added) EXCEPT different value for XAUTHORITY (blah differs)
 I have an idea...
 guiverc: Edit /usr/share/xsessions/Lubuntu.desktop and replace "Lubuntu;LXQt" (or similar) with just LXQt. Log out, log back in. With Key=Value you're only looking to change Value
 I seem to recall that doing something during my testing. And I don't remember if that made it to the git repository
 If that does solve it, I'll get off on the next exit and prep an upload
[02:30] <guiverc> DesktopNames=Lubuntu;LXQt;     <- that is there already
[02:31] <guiverc> are you driving?   if so be safe!
 Yes, so replace it with DesktopNames=LXQt :)
[02:31] <guiverc> should I try just LXQt?
 And perhaps Talk to Texan is in play :P
 Yes please
[02:32] <guiverc> (but would that stuff other things up??)
 Not in my experience but it wouldn't hurt to poke around for a minute
[02:33] <guiverc> on login again.. I've lost panel & now have one monitor black  :(
 I would try restarting SDDM altogether
[02:35] <guiverc> can't open terminal either :(   doesn't look good as for possible fix (assuming i made no typos)
[02:35] <guiverc> killing sddm & I'm logged in with background on both monitors + panel...  good start but we'd need to test more anyway b/c of this
[02:35] <guiverc> firefox open; right-click save as, alas NO SAVE DIALOG
[02:36] <guiverc> (that was just 'Lubuntu;' removed from DesktopNames in /usr/share/xsessions/Lubuntu.desktop)
 Try without any trailing semicolons?
 Absolute worst case scenario, I'll be "all hands on deck" in 3 hours
[02:38] <guiverc> no semicolon at end; ie. "DesktopNames=LXQt" , logout/login, still no SAVE AS dialog appears :(
 @utkarsh2102 If you're delaying *everyone's* beta for us now, pull the trigger, we'll follow in the next 6 hours
 What are we missing :( I had this working yesterday...
 The only other potential "shot in the dark" is removing xdg-desktop-portal-kde
[02:41] <guiverc> tsimonq2, /usr/share/xdg-desktop-portal/lxqt-portals.conf is all lower case ; ie. default=lxqt  ... I've not been all lower case ^^^
[02:41]  * guiverc doesn't understand all of bug report & mechanism, thus can't help sorry
 That's actually correct iirc - anything is worth a try :)
 And no worries
[02:42]  * guiverc using a live session on box besides me; no loss to anything can occur there :)
 Unless you accidentally make a persistent drive ;)
[02:44] <guiverc> no save as dialog with =LXQt;lxqt; (xsessions/Lubuntu.des..)
[02:45] <guiverc> no dialog with =lxqt;
[02:47] <guiverc> tried Lubuntu;lxqt;LXQt;LXQT; no luck... I'll reboot box
[02:52]  * guiverc has booted another box; alas no SAVE AS dialog appears here either (as expected though; had to check)
 Uh oh. I couldn’t read the backlog, is it badly broken? (re @tsimonq2: @utkarsh2102 If you're delaying *everyone's* beta for us now, pull the trigger, we'll follow in the next 6 hours)
[03:45] <guiverc> no save as dialog appears on an installed system either :(  (expected yeah, but had to hope!)
 Right now I'm being forced to choose between sleeping the couple hours I'll be able to manage in the next 24 and getting this fixed - I still think we should continue to delay but I'm going to ping @arraybolt3 wxl @teward001 and @kc2bez for *ANY* help you may be able to provide
[05:50] <guiverc> ack.  (the issue doesn't worry me.. I've attempted to document issue on release notes (again))
[05:51] <guiverc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/2036098
[05:51] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2036098 in lubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "[mantic] xdg-desktop-portals no longer working in default Lubuntu after xdg-desktop-portal 1.17.1" [Critical, Fix Released]
[05:53] <guiverc> Lubuntu and Ubuntu Server images (arm64/raspi/riscv64 etc) are only ones NOT marked ready (Ubuntu Server with ubiquity all ready)
[05:53] <guiverc> arraybolt3  link I just gave ^
[05:54] <guiverc> (it's still marked FIX RELEASED, but alas still exists on today's respin 0922 beta RC)
 (firefox:4480): Gtk-WARNING **: 02:17:02.694: Can't open portal file chooser: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: No such interface “org.freedesktop.portal.FileChooser” on object at path /org/freedesktop/portal/desktop
[05:57] <guiverc> nah I didn't add to bug report (didn't think of it sorry; ^ was from readback)
[05:57]  * guiverc will add to my last comment
[05:58] <guiverc> (away from keyboard ~15 mins)
[06:08] <guiverc> no need to apologize, probably Simon did but I don't recall doing it
[06:09]  * guiverc has no idea.. most of the bug report read like 'voodoo recantations' to me so I didn't try  (esp. given I'm tired)
[06:10] <guiverc> I tried to narrate what I tried; edits only to two files; both had contents but I don't recall what now sorry
[06:11]  * guiverc has lousy memory due brain injury (old motorcycle accident)
[06:16] <guiverc> okay..  looking for my thumb-drive
[06:21] <guiverc> @arraybolt3.. entering `/usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal --verbose --replace` in a terminal didn't return, so opened new tab & started `firefox`... THIS TIME I get a SAVE AS dialog & can save the page !!!
[06:22] <guiverc> Nope  (why I opened new terminal, so I could read both)...   (I realized it wouldn't return)
[06:22] <guiverc> the first command fixed issue SURE LOOKS LIKE..
[06:23] <guiverc> yeah already killed process & sure enough no SAVE AS dialog on firefox
[06:24] <guiverc> running first in background (adding &) then firefox... nothing appearing on terminal (as before in different terms; so expected) & it works again..
[06:26] <guiverc> (in directory /usr/lib/systemd/user/ I assume)
[06:27] <guiverc> just checking I wasn't going to edit wrong file :)
[06:28] <guiverc> wouldn't help me.. I'm typing stuff in the box beside me; not a VM
[06:30] <guiverc> changed as per ^  (--verbose added)... logout/login; firefox & no save-as dialog... now opening terminal to start firefox again (to read messages)
[06:32] <guiverc_live> (firefox:6913): Gtk-WARNING **: 06:31:39.416: Can't open portal file chooser: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: No such interface “org.freedesktop.portal.FileChooser” on object at path /org/freedesktop/portal/desktop
[06:32] <guiverc> (what appeared at terminal when clicking SAVE_AS)
[06:33] <guiverc_live> https://termbin.com/yskp
[06:34] <guiverc> (this box is showing a few gallium/drivers lines when firefox is running; I believe box/gpu specific background-noise)
[06:39]  * guiverc got phone call; sorry
[06:41] <guiverc> where do i look for XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP; i recall seeing that earlier today but not the command that got it
[06:42] <guiverc> result is "LXQt"
[06:42] <guiverc> & thanks...
[06:44] <guiverc> yeah... this box (alas it has ubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop too so pointless), but did 2x installs earlier today :)
[06:44] <guiverc> keep using live?  or start again with installed system (current daily 0922)
[06:46] <guiverc> on live system, ran `systemctl daemon-reload`  (no sudo) then `firefox` & NO SAVE_AS dialog appears
[06:46] <guiverc> your attempts, skill & care is greatly appreciated @arraybolt3 (even if tired)
[06:47] <guiverc> (skipping the journalctl -n100) & going to systemctl..
[06:48] <guiverc> `sudo systemctl stop xdg-desktop-portal` resulted in FAILED TO STOP.. xdg-desktop-portal.service not loaded
[06:49] <guiverc> yeah sorry... I'm trying to type whatever you suggest exactly (or as close to as I can..)
[06:49] <guiverc> me too of course!
[06:50] <guiverc> stopped (no result; so good; $? gives 0)  ... no restart ?
[06:50] <guiverc> opening firefox; and no SAVE_AS dialog
[06:51] <guiverc> (wouldn't that be expected given we just stopped xdg-desktop-portal & didn't start anything??)
[06:52] <guiverc> hold on.. i have a firefox tab open on other screen... I may NOT have been restarting firefox; just opening new windows
[06:54] <guiverc> closed firefox; reran & I only get the 'can't open portal file chooser:' message like last time
[06:55] <guiverc_live> https://termbin.com/yimy  (termbin)
[06:58]  * guiverc smiles; I had firefox (guiverc_live) in & don't have to type that
[07:01] <guiverc> mv executed (with sudo), logout, login, open firefox, NO save_as dialog appears on request :(
[07:09] <guiverc> THANKS heaps for trying @arraybolt3, esp. given you're tired.
 `dbus-update-activation-environment --verbose --systemd DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS DISPLAY XAUTHORITY XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP`
[07:17]  * guiverc didn't want to type that in... thus opened live...
[07:17]  * guiverc had closed the firefox session with libera in it...
[07:19] <guiverc> entered ^ command; opened firefox; website; alas SAVE_AS dialog did NOT appear :(
[07:21]  * guiverc trying logging out, login & try again (fingers crossed anyway)
[07:24] <guiverc> that line appears to have DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS \ DISPLAY \ XAUTHORITY \ XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP \ ${NULL+}
[07:24] <guiverc> has that already ^
[07:25]  * guiverc loading firefox again for that one...
[07:26] <guiverc_live> https://dpaste.com/42RLCYCR8   (for systemctl --user show-environment)
[07:26] <guiverc> . perl -pe 's/\0/\n/g' /proc/$(pgrep -f xdg-desktop-portal | head -n1)/environ
[07:27] <guiverc_live> https://dpaste.com/ET3NXVFFD for `perl -pe 's/\0/\n/g' /proc/$(pgrep -f xdg-desktop-portal | head -n1)/environ |pastebinit`
[07:29] <guiverc> if you mean the Lubuntu (XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP).. that's what Simon & I played with earlier.. (if I recall correctly)
[07:29] <guiverc> changing it to LXQt; Lubuntu;LXQt; lxqt etc.
 [telegram] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Edit /usr/share/xsessions/Lubuntu.desktop and replace "Lubuntu;LXQt" (or similar) with just LXQt. Log out, log back in. With Key=Value you're only looking to change Value   (etc)
[07:31]  * guiverc could have copy/pasted wrong line..  we edited 2 files
[07:32] <guiverc> the quit ^ was b/c of reboot
[07:33] <guiverc> okay ..
[07:35] <guiverc> box awake (new session)
[07:36] <guiverc> at least Jeremy looked for the issue, then reported it to us...
[07:38]  * guiverc using real hardware; not VM (why I paste commands to myself when they're complex!)
[07:40] <guiverc> . perl -pe 's/\0/\n/g' /proc/$(pgrep -f xdg-desktop-portal | head -n1)/environ |pastebinit
[07:41]  * guiverc made URL issue I think.. hold on
[07:41] <guiverc> used _ instead of - in room name :(
[07:42] <guiverc> . perl -pe 's/\0/\n/g' /proc/$(pgrep -f xdg-desktop-portal | head -n1)/environ |pastebinit
[07:42] <guiverc> . perl -pe 's/\0/\n/g' /proc/$(pgrep -f xdg-desktop-portal | head -n1)/environ |pastebinit  (sorry for spamming)
[07:42] <guiverc_live> https://dpaste.com/7H2X7CQKC
[07:43] <guiverc> LXQt
[07:44] <guiverc> well I didn't try the YELLING at it.. I think that only helps us humans..  (Stress wise)
[07:45] <guiverc> good idea !  (lxqt session)
[07:46] <guiverc> XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP = LXQt
[07:46] <guiverc> SAVE_AS dialog is doing nothign in LXQt session....  (still think it was a great idea to try it; rule out some configs I believe)
[07:48] <guiverc> okay... i ran the KILLALL command, realized I didn't close firefox; so closed firefox; restarted firefox, webpage & SAVE_AS DIALOG NOW OPENS !!?????
[07:49] <guiverc> that's what we did ages back; (can't recall how long ago & it worked)
[07:51] <guiverc> ^ commands were executed whilst in GUI session, logout, login
[07:52] <guiverc> no lubuntu panel/colors etc.. (ie. looks like LXQt session default), alas NO SAVE_AS dialog
[07:53] <guiverc> don't forget you'll need to sleep
[07:53] <guiverc> (above my pay-grade, no idea in other words)
[07:54] <guiverc> should I reboot; or continue where I am?
[07:57] <guiverc> DesktopNames=LXQt;  (I left a ; there)
[07:58] <guiverc> logout/login; firefox, web page - SAVE_AS has a dialog asking for name...
[08:01] <guiverc> so a reboot should work for actual installs (harsh killall?) but live sessions?   Would dropping Lubuntu; cause issues anywhere??  risky I fear/wonder?
[08:01]  * guiverc doesn't know; just my thinking..
[08:02] <guiverc> I'll suggest you write it on bug report... (whilst it's fresh (clear?) in your mind) ?
[08:02] <guiverc> okay that's new; I didn't know that.. (noted in bug report... but didn't know what was in file really before)
[08:07] <guiverc> Thanks @arraybolt3
[08:07] <guiverc> I've written something in release notes (twice actually; first time was removed when Simon felt issue was quashed)
[08:07]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> unplugs a tired brain and plugs in a new fresh one
[08:07] <guiverc> this issue didn't worry me personally; it did Simon
[08:08] <guiverc> :)
[08:09] <guiverc> XDG Desktop Portals has broken on Lubuntu, and our fix to this issue did not land in time for the beta release. This fix will land in the coming days, alas it will remain unfixed on live sessions of the beta. What this means is if you’re using firefox you may not be able to open a file, or save a web page as no file-chooser will show (until the fix arrives in a few days). If you need this fixed for a live session (ie. ISO), just grab ou
[08:09] <guiverc> r next daily when they resume being created.
[08:09] <guiverc> (with links...)   I'll not reword that (it was written assuming we didn't respin the 'fix' we were testing now that didn't work)
[08:12] <guiverc> I'll later restart a live session; test the killall in your comment, and may add that to the release notes (that would be useful to readers..)
[08:12] <guiverc> Thanks again Aaron
[08:13] <guiverc> Yes you were very helpful !
[08:33] <guiverc> sudo vim /usr/share/xsessions/Lubuntu.desktop  ; remove Lubuntu;  (from DesktopNames)
[08:34] <guiverc> logout; login & firefox has no save_as
[08:35] <guiverc> now do `sudo killall xdg-desktop-portal` and finally firefox opens...
 Apologies, I was in my brief period of slumber. (re @tsimonq2: Right now I'm being forced to choose between sleeping the couple hours I'll be able to manage in the next 24 and getting this fixed - I still think we should continue to delay but I'm going to ping @arraybolt3 wxl @teward001 and @kc2bez for *ANY* help you may be able to provide)
 Just coming online now.
 Then off to $dayjob
 I tried reading the backlog but need a tl;dr translation.
 Good morning from Grand Forks, ND! ☀
 @arraybolt3 guiverc: THANK YOU! You guys are lifesavers. And thank you for popping your head out Aaron! Absolutely above and beyond :)
 Awesome work!!!
[13:28] <guiverc> tsimonq2, utkasrsh said he was going to have a word with you  (unless I was mistaken)
[14:33] <tsimonq2> Pulling down the ISO now, let's see what happens.
[14:47] <tsimonq2> Okay, I have a dirty hack in mind for doing this fix all in one go.
[14:48] <tsimonq2> Let's see what happens...
[15:43] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-default-settings (mantic-proposed/universe) [23.10.2 => 23.10.3] (lubuntu)
[15:48] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-default-settings [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.10.3]
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: "Dirty Hacks, Done Dirt Cheap" --AC/DC
[16:55] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.4.0-0ubuntu1 => 0.4.0-0ubuntu2] (lubuntu)
[18:12] <wxl> @tsimonq2: hey next time you dont' have time to get in an urgent fix, please ask for help
[18:22] <wxl> yeah that's why we have the -kde one too
[18:22] <wxl> if you look at the portal file you can see all the interfaces
[18:24] <wxl> right but even without that, the file chooser should work
[18:24] <wxl> upstream only implements the file chooser
[18:25] <wxl> https://github.com/lxqt/xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt/blob/master/data/lxqt.portal
[18:26] <jbicha> arraybolt3: No. But you do need default=lxqt;kde; for http://launchpadlibrarian.net/688335880/lxqt-session_1.3.0-0ubuntu1_1.3.0-0ubuntu2.diff.gz
[18:27] <wxl> ^ that's what i was just going to say
[18:32] <jbicha> actually just a bit more complicated than that. Compare with https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-session/-/blob/main/data/gnome-portals.conf
[18:33] <jbicha> maybe default=kde;lxqt; would be simpler and just list the lxqt specific portals in the additional lines
[18:33] <jbicha> one of the portals is a portal to set the wallpaper. I imagine lxqt should implement that portal since I assume it is different than for other desktops
[18:34] <wxl> so e.g. org.freedesktop.impl.portal.FileChooser=lxqt;
[18:34] <wxl> ?
[18:34] <jbicha> I don't know all the details; smcv seems happy to help, especially on the Debian side
[18:34] <jbicha> sorry, not sure
[18:35] <wxl> sigh i don't get why xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt isn't in debian. it's a proper lxqt project
[18:35] <wxl> THAT would fix the problem
[18:37] <jbicha> bug 1051790
[18:37] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Bug 1051790 in OpenShot Video Editor "Adjust Speed / Length of Animated Titles" [Critical, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051790
[18:37] <jbicha> Debian bug 1051790
[18:37] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Debian bug 1051790 in wnpp "ITP: xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt -- xdg-desktop-portal implemenation for libfm-qt xdg-desktop-portal that is using Qt/KF5/libfm-qt" [Wishlist, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1051790
[18:57] <tsimonq2> I don't plan on doing that upload to Debian myself.
[18:58] <tsimonq2> jbicha: So, if lxqt;kde is set (or similar), it will use the LXQt file chooser but then fall back to KDE for the rest? Meaning, can it deal with it in multiple, partial layers?
[18:59] <jbicha> I don't know the details. You could try it out and see what happens
[19:00] <jbicha> https://snapcraft.io/portal-test (edge channel only) may help. A few of the buttons didn't seem to work for me the last time I tried it
[19:01] <tsimonq2> Thanks for that.
[19:20] <tsimonq2> I really really really hate the idea of having *two* different fallbacks and seeding them both, but I suppose we don't quite have a choice at this point. (It would be cool if the KDE one was complete, but it's far from it.)
[19:20] <tsimonq2> At *first* *chance* I'd like to remove the GTK one.
[19:21] <tsimonq2> I'm going to add those depends to lxqt-session but I have a gut feeling it could go somewhere better.
[19:27] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lxqt-session (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.3.0-0ubuntu2 => 1.3.0-0ubuntu3] (lubuntu)
[19:48] <jbicha> lxqt-session sounds like the right place for those depends to me. We do similar with gnome-session in Debian & Ubuntu
[19:48] <tsimonq2> Sounds good. Thanks for all your help on this, jbicha!
[20:00] <wxl> did we figure it out yet?
[20:05] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Beta] has been updated (20230922.1)
[20:12] <wxl> save as works in firefox with that ^
[20:14] <wxl> it doesn't seem to correctly interact with the downloads though
[20:15] <wxl> UnknownMethod. No such interface "org.freedesktop.portal.OpenURI"
[20:16] <wxl> looks like kde doesn't implement it, either
[20:17] <wxl> i wouldn't be shocked if kubuntu is similarly messed up
[20:18] <wxl> both the "open in folder" button as well as clicking on the file itself attempts to use the same method
[20:19] <wxl> between the ability to save a file and that, i'd say that's a much bigger problem to fix
[20:24] <wxl> jbicha: does -gtk implement the OpenURI interface?
[20:36] <wxl> well, it behaves relatively nicely in kubuntu
[20:37] <wxl> the file manager opens and it asks what application to open a png with, offering sane options
[20:38] <wxl> i think we need default=lxqt;kde at minimum in the portal.conf
[20:41] <wxl> interestingly neither gtk nor kde implement OpenURI soooooooooo i have no idea why firefox was trying to use it in lubuntu
[20:42] <wxl> yay snaps.
[21:00] <jbicha> I don't know about OpenURI; but I can open items in Firefox's download list and the Show In Folder feature works with Nautilus (all this in Ubuntu Desktop)
[21:15] <wxl> i wrote my findings in the bug. not sure what else i can do.
 wxl: check my latest lxqt-session upload and try again :)
[21:56] <wxl> @tsimonq2: ^
[21:58] <wxl> @tsimonq2: near as i can tell your last upload is 1.3.0-0ubuntu2, and that's what's on the ISO
 Looks like ubuntu3 is in the repo
 It is in the unapproved queue I think.
[22:01] <wxl> lxqt-session?
 Oh wait
 That is default settings
 Yup, I see ubuntu2 there.
[22:04] <wxl> yeah it's stuck in unapproved
[22:06] <wxl> i added xdg-desktop-portal-gtk and set "default=lxqt;kde;gtk;" and i do get the gtk app chooser
[22:06] <wxl> i'm baffled as to why i don't get the kde one
[22:13] <wxl> so if it gets approved and the iso respun we should be good
[22:32] <Eickmeyer> FYI, they just unfroze the repo (post-Beta Freeze now) so I doubt you're allowed any more respins.
[22:38] <wxl> well, at least we fixed the FileChooser
[23:37] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Beta] has been marked as ready


[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #148110 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "compiz opengl rendering artefacts" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148110
[03:29] <ubotu> New bug: #145294 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Copmiz is incompatible with GL screensaver as desktop background (root window)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145294
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177655 in compiz (main) "compiz not starting after upgrading kernel to 2.6.22-14-generic (dup-of: 192253)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177655
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134446 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Compiz causing Hard Locks on certain systems" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134446
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #67440 in usplash (main) "edgy: usplash (?) blocks console after kdm shutdown (dup-of: 63558)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67440
[10:27] <ubotu> New bug: #192873 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "[915GM] X freezes after resume" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192873
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #192881 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "DVB-T with Kernel 2.6.24 do not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192881
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #192883 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "displayconfig-gtk crashed with AttributeError in isXorgConfigChanged() (dup-of: 192253)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192883
[12:37] <soren> tjaalton: What happened to my vmware driver patch?
[14:14] <Q-FUNK> speaking of patches, was bartman's 3rd patch ever merged?
[14:21] <ubotu> New bug: #186186 in xulrunner-1.9 "web page background render errors" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186186
[14:43] <tjaalton> soren: sorry, I pushed it to git but didn't apply on our package. will upload it today
[14:43] <soren> \o/
[14:46] <ubotu> New bug: #191578 in firefox (main) "[hardy] rendering issues (dup-of: 186186)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191578
[15:04] <soren> X has died on my 4 times today already. I'm using the Intel driver (intel 945).. Is it known to be jittery?
[15:05] <tjaalton> i think the drm bits need an update
[15:05] <tjaalton> should be filed already if I'm not mistaken
[15:07] <soren> Cool.
[15:07] <tjaalton> vmware uploaded
[15:07]  * soren hugs tjaalton
[15:07]  * tjaalton hugs soren back
[15:08]  * tjaalton just saw "300" and feels Spartan
[16:03] <tjaalton> sigh, and the list of typos just keep on growing
[16:04] <tjaalton> another vmware upload on the way..
[16:05] <ubotu> New bug: #192930 in xserver-xorg-input-keyboard (main) "Numeric keypad no longer works in Hardy" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192930
[17:30] <ubotu> New bug: #192958 in xorg-server (main) "gnome/compiz crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192958
[17:50] <seb128> bryce: what do you think that totem is doing wrong to cause bug #130696?
[17:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130696 in totem "xine and totem-xine crashes with the fglrx driver" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130696
[17:50] <seb128> especially that xine crashes the same way
[17:53] <seb128> I reassigned to xine-lib, let me know if you think I'm wrong
[18:26] <ubotu> New bug: #192638 in compiz (main) "[hardy] compiz can't start after 2008-02-15 updates (dup-of: 192253)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192638
[19:12] <ubotu> New bug: #145800 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Compiz Fusion in Gutsy Gibbon Beta -- Momentary Freezes" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145800
[20:11] <ubotu> New bug: #193018 in xorg (main) "SHIFT+ALT != ALT+SHIFT" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193018
[20:35] <ubotu> New bug: #184071 in wxmaxima (universe) "wxmaxima fails after xorg update (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184071
[21:18] <ubotu> New bug: #151268 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "compiz with ATI Radeion RV100 QY [7000/VE] corrupts screen after video playback" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151268
[22:18] <bryce> seb128: I get those "...received an X Window System error" messages with my xrandr gui all the time, and it's caused by making an incorrect xlib call
[22:18] <bryce> seb128: the error message indicates a coding error in the client application rather than an error in X
[22:20] <seb128> bryce: I'm not an xorg guy, but those errors often happen when using compiz or special xorg option, or some drivers, etc
[22:20] <bryce> seb128: I wish xlib provided more detailed explanations of the errors - I've not yet figured out what the code numbers indicate or whatever
[22:21] <seb128> why does playing the same video with the same software works when not running compiz in some cases?
[22:21] <bryce> seb128: yeah I know.  It's actually sort of a generic error message though, like "syntax error" or "out of memory"
[22:22] <seb128> on gutsy for example xv video playing doesn't work on some intel cards when using compiz, right?
[22:22] <bryce> so what I suspect is that in each case, the client app is making a different call, but they're all xlib calls (XReply probably), which returns its errors in that generic fashion
[22:22] <bryce> I gather gtk or glib has some sort of catch() routine that is capturing the error and generating the error message... perhaps that routine ought to be made to give better diagnostics (if that's possible)
[22:23] <seb128> how could the application know abou those limitation and don't do standard calls?
[22:23] <seb128> there is a gdk_x_error() right, you can break on it and get a gdb backtrace in such cases
[22:23] <seb128> but still, I'm not sure if that's the application which should know about driver bugs and try to workaround those
[22:24] <seb128> I would tend to say that if xorg doesn't handle standard requests that's something in the xorg stack to blame
[22:25] <bryce> seb128: well, assuming that's the case, at a minimum I would need to know what xlib routine that the client app is trying to access
[22:25] <seb128> alright
[22:25] <bryce> my guess is that it's trying to call some xlib routine which isn't valid with fglrx
[22:26] <seb128> in this case I've reassigned the bug to xine because I think the multimedia framework is likely the one doing the call
[22:26] <bryce> perhaps some sort of visualization thing...  a 3d call, or maybe even xrandr
[22:26] <seb128> and the guy get the issue using xine which seems to confirm that
[22:26] <seb128> right, that's possible
[22:26] <bryce> I notice some apps do xrandr calls to get screen layout info (maybe so they can tell where to pop up windows or whatever), but fglrx (and nvidia, etc.) don't support xrandr
[22:27]  * bryce ponders
[22:27] <seb128> totem doesn't thing like calling xrandr when not using xv and switching to fullscreen video
[22:27] <bryce> I would assume that it would be the client apps' responsibility to check for if a given module is loaded before trying to access its functionality, but not sure
[22:27] <seb128> but is it possible for the application to know that xorg doesn't support xrandr?
[22:28] <seb128> is there an x11 api for that?
[22:28] <bryce> yes
[22:28] <bryce> yep
[22:28] <seb128> ok
[22:28] <seb128> for the xrandr call it likely make sense
[22:28] <bryce> yeah, in fact there is code in Screen Resolution which does exactly this
[22:29] <bryce> and if you don't have the xrandr module it pops up an error dialog
[22:29] <seb128> I don't think those issues are due to xrandr
[22:29] <bryce> it also has code to check that you have a new enough version loaded
[22:29] <seb128> but I'll try to get a backtrace and ping you next time I've a such bug
[22:29] <seb128> maybe I can learn about how to debug those ;-)
[22:29] <bryce> well, iirc, it's a generic api for checking the xorg modules that are loaded, so could be similarly used even if it was say glx or exa or something
[22:30] <bryce> cool
[22:30] <bryce> yeah I really wish X didn't give such cryptic errors
[22:31] <ubotu> New bug: #158453 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "[compiz] System bell causes blur to lose acceleration" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158453


[18:55] <dscassel> Handed off a box of 12.10 DVDs to the UW Computer Science Club. :)
[19:09] <mcpherrin> dscassel: yay!
[19:10] <mcpherrin> I need to re-install my laptop (I managed to muck up everything :P) so install media is convenient :)
[20:04] <Chex> mcpherrin: it sure is, I need to rebuild my ancient AMD-XP server-desktop..
[20:04] <Chex> 10.04 > 12.04 update totally mucked things up
[20:35] <mcpherrin> I was fucking around with bumblebee and managed to break everything to the point where it's probably easier to start over
[20:35] <mcpherrin> I really hate X.
[20:38] <genii-around> X is a harsh mistress.
[20:40] <mcpherrin> If there was a reasonable web browser that worked with a framebuffer instead of X, I'd never use X
[20:40] <mcpherrin> (ie, Firefox)
[20:43] <mcpherrin> maybe wayland.
[20:47] <genii-around> links2 but then it doesn't have all the fun stuff like .. even javascript
[20:47]  * genii-around runs!
[20:48] <mcpherrin> w3m is better :p


[00:31] <axw> burton-aus: standup?
[04:01] <axw> jam thumper: tech board
[04:01] <axw> menn0: ^
[04:01] <jam> omw
[04:01] <jam> went to load the page and foudn the proxy had died, almost there
[04:11] <babbageclunk> axw: all approved
[04:11] <axw> babbageclunk: thanks!
[04:11] <babbageclunk> axw: sorry for the delay!
[04:27] <mup> Bug #1710886 changed: juju 2.1 issues certificates with wrong DNS alternative names on juju upgrade. <juju:Triaged by jose-pekkarinen> <juju 2.2:Triaged by koalinux> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1710886>
[10:58] <seyeongkim> just quick question.. is there ETA for juju 2.3 alpha?
[18:34] <rick_h> seyeongkim: good question, will have to bug the team on that.
[18:34] <rick_h> wallyworld: ping when you're in
[21:04] <thumper> morning
[21:28] <wallyworld> rick_h: hi, just about to have short meeting, can talk after
[21:28] <rick_h> wallyworld: rgr
[22:06] <wallyworld> rick_h: hey, free now
[22:06] <rick_h> wallyworld: k meet you in our 1-1 room
[23:00] <rick_h> wallyworld: k, email sent to the list. Hopefully drives up some interest
[23:10] <wallyworld> rick_h: awesome, tyvm


[11:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4685 Preparing packages
[23:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4671 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (focal/linux-hwe-5.13). Updates pocket (focal/dwarves-dfsg)


[00:43] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4073 ubiquity/debian/real-po/ (81 files): debconf-updatepo
[00:47] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4074 ubiquity/debian/ (83 files in 2 dirs):
[00:47] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Restore translations for oem-config-check and oem-config-udeb, lost in
[00:47] <CIA-3> ubiquity: oem-config merge.
[00:49] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4075 ubiquity/ (8 files in 3 dirs):
[00:49] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Display simple progress feedback using debconf-apt-progress while
[00:49] <CIA-3> ubiquity: removing oem-config (LP: #558593).
[00:55] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4076 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog):
[00:55] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Write locale-gen output from ubiquity-dm to /var/log/installer/dm rather
[00:55] <CIA-3> ubiquity: than to the console.
[08:35] <ogra> cjwatson, is there any way to convince partman to let me create /boot as fat ?
[08:36] <ogra> i know it should work as long as /vmlinuz and /initrd.img are properly linked from the rootfs
[08:36]  * ogra just tried a netinst installing to the SD he booted from
[08:37] <ogra> omap uboot has probs loading from ext2 though
[08:42] <superm1> cjwatson, hm, so in trying a disk with that new casper it is hanging for a long time, with what appears to be looking for a dhcp address.  could you make that network start stuff optional instead?
[08:44] <ogra> cjwatson, just fyi, i'm properly getting a kernel now with the base-installer change
[08:52] <ogra> bah, i take that back, something failed
[08:53] <cjwatson> ogra: fat should be possible - what's going wrong?  are you getting an error dialog?
[08:53] <ogra> cjwatson, yes, telling me that using fat for /boot is impossible
[08:53] <ogra> i need to start over from serial console, the kernel has a bug that doesnt let me to switch ttys
[08:54] <ogra> so i cant get to the actual log atm
[08:54] <cjwatson> superm1: wait a sec though, that's odd, weren't you already doing url preseeding?  in that case you should already have been getting dhcp - I just moved it around
[08:54]  * ogra would also like to know what fails with kernel installation :/
[08:54] <cjwatson> ogra: well, fat for /boot does have some genuine problems in update-initramfs
[08:54] <ogra> yes, but you can work around them if you have the links on /
[08:54] <ogra> i did that before
[08:55] <ogra> its moaning but working
[08:55] <cjwatson> ogra: if it's your only choice, we can make a subarch exception from that dialog
[08:55] <ogra> well, i'll do some more tests
[08:55] <cjwatson> log - use "execute a shell" from the main menu?
[08:55] <ogra> right, but for now it threw me back into base install
[08:55] <ogra> which i cant stop
[08:56] <cjwatson> ok
[08:56]  * ogra twiddles thumbs
[08:56] <ogra> serial is better since i can capture stuff from the laptop :)
[09:04] <cjwatson> ogra: something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/414145/ look OK to you?
[09:24] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1284 ubuntu/ (10 files in 6 dirs):
[09:24] <CIA-3> debian-installer: Tidy up the i386/netboot-xen configuration for Ubuntu, and enable it
[09:24] <CIA-3> debian-installer: (LP: #532547).
[09:26] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1285 ubuntu/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Move to 2.6.32-21 kernels.
[09:33] <cjwatson> ogra: can I go ahead with that partman-basicfilesystems change I pasted?
[09:46] <ogra> cjwatson, it will just omit the error, right ? in case i find a way to use ext2 it wont get in my way ?
[09:46] <ogra> i think thats fine
[09:47] <cjwatson> right
[09:48] <ev>  anyone have an idea of how I could reproduce the network environment in bug 556831? I've tried killing DNS, as well as just flat out disconnecting the host (I'm using KVM), but neither surfaces the issue that superm1 is seeing.  I hit the NetworklessInstallFixes code path just fine.
[09:48] <CIA-3> partman-basicfilesystems: cjwatson * r583 ubuntu/ (check.d/mountpoint_fat debian/changelog):
[09:48] <CIA-3> partman-basicfilesystems: Allow armel/omap to use FAT for /boot, since the problems with it can be
[09:48] <CIA-3> partman-basicfilesystems: worked around while it's difficult to use anything else given uboot
[09:48] <CIA-3> partman-basicfilesystems: limitations.
[09:49] <cjwatson> ev: sounds like you want firewall configuration that permits DNS but excludes anything else
[09:49]  * ev dusts off the iptables manual
[09:49] <cjwatson> i.e. local name server, drop (not reject) packets sent to outside world
[09:49] <cjwatson> (a sensible firewall configuration would reject - but drop is the worst case)
[09:49] <ogra> bah, sigh ... so the kernel fails because mmcblk0p2 has no uuid in sysfs
[09:49] <ev> cjwatson: thanks, I'll give that a shot
[09:49] <ogra> well, mkinitramfs fails
[09:53] <ogra> hmm, no, its all there as it should be
[10:02] <ogra> gar !
[10:02] <ogra> initramfs-tools/hook-functions has no handling for mmc *at all* !
[10:03]  * ogra curses
[10:04] <CIA-3> partman-basicfilesystems: cjwatson * r584 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 63ubuntu4
[10:07] <ogra>                 block=${root#/dev/}
[10:07] <ogra>                 block=${block%%[0-9]*}
[10:07] <ogra> bah ... that turns mmcblk0 into mmcblk
[10:13] <dmarkey> is it on the roadmap to allow /boot to be on LVM?
[10:16] <cjwatson> I thought you already could
[10:16] <cjwatson> what error do you get when you try?
[10:38] <dmarkey> oh, i never tried :), so in short there can be a single partition on the disk, comprising of an LVM pv?
[10:45] <cjwatson> I think it should work, it's just subject to the bootloader understanding it
[10:45] <cjwatson> which grub2 ought to
[10:53] <dmarkey> i see. Must see if i can coerce the installer into doing that
[12:33] <ev> FINALLY.  cjwatson, superm1: I can reproduce the apt timeout bug.  I'll work on a fix after lunch.
[12:59] <ogra> cjwatson, Apr 14 11:57:47 base-installer: info: Using kernel 'linux-omap'
[12:59] <ogra> Apr 14 11:57:47 base-installer: info: Setting do_initrd='yes'.
[12:59] <ogra> Apr 14 11:57:47 base-installer: info: Setting link_in_boot='yes'.
[13:00] <ogra> cjwatson, how do i tell it to not set link_in_boot ?
[13:00] <ogra> since we need a link in / instead if /boot is vfat
[13:01] <cjwatson> currently that's only architecture-specific, not subarchitecture-specific
[13:01] <cjwatson> I'm guessing that isn't appropriate for other armel subarches?
[13:02] <ogra> right
[13:02] <ogra> imx has a very special setup for booting and dove has ext2 /boot
[13:02] <cjwatson> you'll have to hack it in base-installer/library.sh then
[13:02] <ogra> ok
[13:03] <cjwatson> i.e. if archdetect returns armel/omap, override what we get from debconf
[13:03] <ogra> i'm not bitten by it yet but i think update-initramfs will chocke on it
[13:03] <persia> In which package do the CD boot menus live again?
[13:03] <ogra> gfxboot
[13:03] <cjwatson> err
[13:03] <cjwatson> no
[13:03] <ogra> unless that changed
[13:03] <cjwatson> it's slightly spread around
[13:04] <cjwatson> gfxboot implements the bytecode interpreter that drives part of the CD boot menus.  it is unlikely to be the package you need to modify
[13:04] <cjwatson> persia: could you be more specific about the change you'd like to make?
[13:04] <persia> OK.  Specifically, I want to see if there's a way to disable the "Install UEC" feature from server CDs.
[13:04] <cjwatson> for yourself, or for server images in general?
[13:04] <ogra> is that in the main menu ?
[13:04] <ogra> i thought thats only in tasksel
[13:04] <cjwatson> ogra: no.
[13:04] <persia> On an arch-specific basis: UEC is currently [i386 amd64], but this isn't indicated anywhere (and CDs are oversize for powerpc/ia64)
[13:04] <cjwatson> it's in the main menu.
[13:05] <ogra> ah
[13:05] <cjwatson> persia: it'd be in cdimage, tools/boot/lucid/*
[13:05] <persia> For server images in general (well, actually, I'll work with kirkland to do it, but want to do prep work)
[13:05] <cjwatson> debian-cd rather
[13:05] <persia> Thanks :)
[13:05]  * ogra would like that to go away at some point on armel too ... but only from tasksel and its not for lucid
[13:05] <cjwatson> but the Ubuntu branch, not the packaged version
[13:05]  * persia tries to figure out why `grep -rn UEC .` didn't return anything for debian-cd
[13:06] <persia> Aha!  I thoguht the package was refreshed from the Ubuntu branch.
[13:06] <cjwatson> because it's spelled "Install Ubuntu ^Enterprise Cloud"
[13:06] <cjwatson> it's already amd64/i386 only in debian-cd ...
[13:06] <cjwatson> as in, cloud.seed isn't used anywhere else
[13:06] <cjwatson> ./tools/boot/lucid/boot-amd64:362:  append $KERNEL_PARAMS file=/cdrom/preseed/cloud.seed initrd=/install/initrd.gz quiet --
[13:06] <cjwatson> ./tools/boot/lucid/boot-i386:360:  append $KERNEL_PARAMS file=/cdrom/preseed/cloud.seed initrd=/install/initrd.gz quiet --
[13:07] <cjwatson> so - in what sense is UEC [i386 amd64]?
[13:07] <cjwatson> eucalyptus-cloud | 1.6.2-0ubuntu29 |         lucid | amd64, armel, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[13:08] <cjwatson> that's the reason the task shows up in tasksel
[13:08] <ogra> ah
[13:08] <cjwatson> it's sensitive to whether the package is available
[13:08] <persia> It expects KVM as underpinning.  kvm doesn't work on armel (no HW support), isn't ported to PowerVR, so can't work on powerpc.  I'm less sure about sparc/ia64.
[13:08] <ogra> right, no kvm on arm
[13:08] <cjwatson> so shouldn't we be removing it from the architectures where it doesn't work, and updating Packages-arch-specific and the package's Architecture field to match?
[13:09] <ogra> ++
[13:09] <persia> Quite possibly.  I'll be discussing that in about an hour.  I just wanted to make sure that I had the right information about the CD menus as well.
[13:09] <cjwatson> I don't see anything to do for the CD menus
[13:09] <ogra> at least until someone makes kvm work on the other arches
[13:10] <persia> No, it looks like the necessary bits are already done.
[13:10] <persia> Thanks for the pointer.
[13:10] <cjwatson> eucalyptus-nc only Recommends: kvm
[13:11] <cjwatson> (which should be qemu-kvm these days, I think, rather than going through the transitional package?)
[13:11] <ogra> i wonder if it can actually run in software emu
[13:11] <cjwatson> I don't know - but that explains why eucalyptus-nc is installable on armel right now
[13:11] <cjwatson> according to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing-ports/lucid_probs.html
[13:12] <persia> I'll check.  If it can work with bare qemu, then the package can be left alone, but the seeds may as well shift: something has to drop from the powerpc server disk to fit, and this seemed like a good candidate.
[13:16] <cjwatson> you could make it arch-specific in the seeds, and that ought to do
[13:17] <persia> That was my initial plan, but as with so many things, once one looks into something, one discovers it may be larger than anticipated :)
[13:23]  * ogra finds it really exciting that you can boot netinst d-i from SD and then overwrite the same SD during install
[13:31]  * ogra glares at "Preparing language-pack-gnome-en-base"
[13:36] <ogra> hrm ...
[13:36] <ogra> reconnects ...
[13:36] <ogra> yay, apart from the bootloader installation it seemd d-i survived on omap now \o/
[14:15] <cjwatson> superm1: comment on bug 482757 suggests that something called "Dell DataSafe Local Backup" may be using the embedding area immediately after the MBR and interfering with grub2.  Can you find out if this is true and do anything about it?
[14:15] <cjwatson> (bug metadata is probably wrong, never mind that ...)
[14:51] <ev> oo, just got an idea.  Instead of relying on debootstrap, we could provide a desktop ISO to the test runner.  It would then mount the squashfs and mount (and unmount) a aufs writeable layer on top for each test.
[14:59] <ev> granted, we could use an aufs mount either way
[15:03] <cjwatson> I thought the desktop team were doing some experimentation with EC2 testing
[15:03] <cjwatson> may be worth checking with them in case they have something already
[15:06] <ev> yeah, you had mentioned Launchpad doing that as well, I think
[15:06] <ev> will do
[15:42] <cjwatson> ev: what do you think about http://paste.ubuntu.com/414362/ ?  csurbhi requested something like this at the platform sprint, and I'm just now getting round to it
[15:42] <lamont> stupid question for someone able to parse and explain partman-auto/expert_recipe preseed values
[15:42] <superm1> cjwatson, No, it's not URL preseeding, it's a flat file.  at some ODMs there is limited internal network access during install and some there isn't.
[15:42] <lamont> d-i partman-auto/expert_recipe string foo :: \
[15:42] <lamont>         2000 242 4000 ext3      \
[15:42] <lamont>                 $primary{ } $bootable{ } method{ format } format{ } \
[15:42] <lamont>                 use_filesystem{ } filesystem{ ext3 } mountpoint{ / } \
[15:42] <lamont>         .       \
[15:42] <lamont> I want bigger for that.. what do the '2000 242 4000' magic numbers mean?
[15:43] <cjwatson> superm1: oh.  meh.
[15:44] <cody-somerville> lamont, minimal size, priority, and maximum size
[15:44] <lamont> in blocks, 1KB, or?
[15:44] <cjwatson> lamont: let me find you the documentation
[15:44] <lamont> cjwatson: oh, awesome
[15:44] <cody-somerville> http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt
[15:44] <cjwatson> let's please use Ubuntu references
[15:45] <cjwatson> in this case they're probably pretty similar but they aren't always
[15:45] <cjwatson> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/debian-installer/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/doc/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt
[15:45] <superm1> cjwatson, re datasafe local backup, i didn't think that it actually used anything in the MBR, but I'll inquire more details about it
[15:45] <cjwatson> superm1: so the reason that I did the dhclient thing was that it broke for me when trying to install a package which happened to be on the network
[15:46] <ev> cjwatson: looks entirely reasonable
[15:46] <superm1> cjwatson, that's what I had figured.  could it just be made into something optional?
[15:48] <cjwatson> if I can figure out a sensible option to use for it
[15:50] <cjwatson> preseed/allow-network or something?
[15:51] <superm1> sounds fine to me
[15:51] <cjwatson> can I default it to on?  I think that might be more generally appropriate
[15:51] <cjwatson> well, hmm, I wonder
[15:52] <cjwatson> I guess preserve-previous-behaviour is better
[15:52] <cjwatson> so preseed/allow-network=true then
[15:57] <cjwatson> superm1: fixed and uploaded
[15:57] <superm1> thanks
[16:23] <superm1> cjwatson, i've got the right contact and going to set up a meeting about datasafe local and what it's really doing to the disk.  as a consolation, could you maybe query the contents of that 30kb after the MBR to see what's there?  It's normally unused in scenarios that are plain windows, right?  If it's being used by something currently, maybe recommend installing to a partition for those folks
[16:24] <cjwatson> not feasible at this point
[16:24] <cjwatson> it's actually really hard to do even that
[16:24] <cjwatson> what's there might be a previous version of grub and it isn't easy for it to recognise itself
[16:24] <cjwatson> unfortunately
[16:25] <superm1> You mean previous versions of grub put stage 1.5 there right?
[16:26] <cjwatson> previous versions of grub2
[16:26] <cjwatson> a previous grub-install run
[16:26] <superm1> ah
[16:27] <cjwatson> blacklisting certain magic numbers or something might be more feasible - but I think it probably is what it is for lucid at this point, although I know it does cause some problems
[16:27] <cjwatson> I don't want to make precipitate changes as this stuff is really quite delicate
[16:28] <superm1> right.  well i'll gather what details I can about DDLB and share them at UDS.  could at least try to get it right for maverick and backport to the dot releases after making sure that it's stable
[16:28] <cjwatson> not that I'm happy about the current situation, it's not just this Dell software, it's other things
[16:28] <cjwatson> unfortunately right now I do not have a better solution in mind
[16:29] <cjwatson> all the alternatives also have fairly serious problems
[16:29] <cjwatson> that I've thought of so far, anyway
[16:30] <cjwatson> it may have to come down to a UI option, but the accompanying text would be thoroughly nasty
[16:36] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1286 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu99
[16:39] <cjwatson> ev: can there be a ubiquity upload at some point today so that it's possible for people to test my oem-config UI change?
[16:40] <cjwatson> I'm heading out v. shortly ...
[16:40] <ev> cjwatson: absolutely
[16:40] <ev> I'll sort it out
[16:40] <cjwatson> thanks
[16:40] <ev> sure thing
[16:52] <dmarkey> cjwatson: i see some progress has been made on pae :)
[16:54] <cjwatson> dmarkey: yeah, aside from xenfs which is probably now too late for lucid, the rest should be in once that d-i builds
[16:54] <cjwatson> testing welcome
[17:00] <dmarkey> cool, xenfs isnt needed it turns out, when will i see a netboot image hitting the mirror?
[17:02] <cjwatson> later today
[17:03] <dmarkey> excellent, thanks
[17:03] <dmarkey> is there still a preseed argument to fallback to grub1?
[17:03] <cjwatson> yes, same as before
[17:04] <cjwatson> grub-installer/grub2_instead_of_grub_legacy=false
[17:05] <dmarkey> you think it would give out installing onto /dev/xvda?
[17:06] <cjwatson> no idea :)
[17:07] <dmarkey> and as far as i remember, the installer will pick up on grub-installer/grub2_instead_of_grub_legacy=false if its on the kernel command line?
[17:09] <cjwatson> yes
[17:10] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4077 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py):
[17:10] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Increase kernel flush times (dirty_writeback_centisecs to 3000, and
[17:10] <CIA-3> ubiquity: dirty_expire_centisecs to 6000) during bulk data copying. Surbhi
[17:10] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Palande suggests that this should make it easier for the kernel to pack
[17:10] <CIA-3> ubiquity: blocks contiguously, speeding up ureadahead after installation.
[17:26] <dafydd> Just a quick question regarding the Karmic ISO layout,
[17:27] <dafydd> I read the guide on CD customization,
[17:27] <dafydd> and the example seems to be different than the layout from the Karmic ISO
[17:28] <dafydd> Should my extra packages be put in /pool or in /dist/karmic/extras/binary-i386/pool/extras ?
[17:34] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4078 ubiquity/ (158 files in 3 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[17:37] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4079 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[17:37] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer
[17:37] <CIA-3> ubiquity: 1.103ubuntu7, choose-mirror 2.29ubuntu3, partman-base 139ubuntu4,
[17:37] <CIA-3> ubiquity: partman-basicfilesystems 63ubuntu4, tzsetup 1:0.26ubuntu8.
[18:02] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4080 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.2.17
[23:13] <cjwatson> dafydd: it doesn't actually matter as long as the references in the Packages files are correct - however putting a "pool" directory under dists/ is just plain bizarre
[23:36] <CIA-3> partman-ext3: cjwatson * r764 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[23:36] <CIA-3> partman-ext3: Add preseedable partman-ext3/lazy_itable_init question, which if true
[23:36] <CIA-3> partman-ext3: runs mkfs.ext* with '-E lazy_itable_init', greatly speeding up mkfs on
[23:36] <CIA-3> partman-ext3: large drives (LP: #556621). This defaults to false since it is
[23:36] <CIA-3> partman-ext3: currently unsafe for use on areas of disk that previously contained a
[23:36] <CIA-3> partman-ext3: filesystem.