[07:24] <Ridgewing> Morning all !
[07:25] <Ridgewing> flexiondotorg, pingy ping-thingy
[14:30] <marco-parillo> Lots of fresh, new on the daily build this morning: https://lists.launchpad.net/kubuntu-council/msg00050.html
[14:30] <marco-parillo> Whoops
[14:30] <marco-parillo> 112 upgraded, 17 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[14:59] <sgclark> morning
[15:53] <yofel> good
[15:55] <sgclark> ooh lovely shades of green
[15:56] <sgclark> anyone testing applications? has anyone been able to sign into google and use KTP with it? Mine is totally busted and I can't even find a way to turn it off lol.
[16:01] <marco-parillo> sgclark: It did not work for me. I got an GMail warning me about a possible security hole that they helpfully closed.
[16:03] <marco-parillo> Sorry it has been some months since I tried and I deleted the e-mail. If you ping me here afternoon PST, I can try again when I am home (work blocks many services, so it would not be a good test from work).
[16:03] <sgclark> hmm. Mine just downright rejects me. Auth failure. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354949
[16:03] <sgclark> just curious if anyone has google working
[16:03] <sgclark> no worries
[21:11] <ahoneybun> around sgclark?
[21:12] <sgclark> ahoneybun: sorta, whats up? (wearing kde hat atm)
[21:12] <ahoneybun> I'm trying the ktp thing I think
[21:12] <ahoneybun> google hangouts on the desktop
[21:12] <sgclark> ahh ok, yours works?
[21:13] <ahoneybun> it takes my password but does not show me online
[21:13] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:13] <ahoneybun> now it told me auth failed
[21:13] <sgclark> yeah same
[21:13] <ahoneybun> mm
[21:13] <sgclark> yep same failure
[21:13] <ahoneybun> I mean it was broken i think before
[21:13] <ahoneybun> before 15.08.3
[21:13] <sgclark> can you add your self to the bug I linked above?
[21:14] <ahoneybun> sure
[21:14] <sgclark> thanks
[21:15] <ahoneybun> seems I still have power in there
[21:15] <ahoneybun> I can change a lot of the details
[21:15] <ahoneybun> mm where do I add me
[21:15] <sgclark> well once you get it, they don't really take it away unless you really mess things up lol
[21:15] <ahoneybun> I added my self to the CC
[21:16] <sgclark> ty
[21:16] <ahoneybun> so I guess we can say it is still in 15.08.3 lol
[21:16] <ahoneybun> it was reported against 15.08.2
[21:16] <ahoneybun> also it is upsteam
[21:16] <sgclark> oh, should prolly update that
[21:16] <ahoneybun> I can
[21:16] <sgclark> k
[21:17] <ahoneybun> .3 is not on the list
[21:17] <ahoneybun> mm I guess you cant just say it effects you like on LP
[21:17] <sgclark> that seems to be my main blocker for putting 15.08.3 in backports. but if it is broken in .2 as well..
[21:18] <sgclark> yeah, I am not a big fan of kde's bug system..
[21:18] <sgclark> terrible time finding anything on it
[21:18] <ahoneybun> mm I guess I can say it +1 on it
[21:19] <sgclark> yeah, I expect your logs will have the exact same error as the rest of us. has something with sasl2
[21:19] <ahoneybun> "Scarlett Clark and I have this bug in 15.08.3 over at Kubuntu 15.10 as well so it is upstream and still there for sure." is my comment
[21:19] <ahoneybun> what log?
[21:20] <sgclark> I ran it under gdb to get output
[21:20] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:20] <sgclark> I posted mine, should be enough, as it was exactly the same as other reporters
[21:20]  * ahoneybun is clueless
[21:20] <ahoneybun> I wonder what is going on with that currecy bug from akademy
[21:20] <sgclark> eh?
[21:21] <ahoneybun> krunner can not convery money right
[21:21] <ahoneybun> the backend website it was using is gone
[21:21] <ahoneybun> Riddell and I said they should use duckduckgo
[21:21] <sgclark> err ouch
[21:21] <ahoneybun> it pointed to a .xml file I believe
[21:22] <ahoneybun> put "15.00 usd to eur" in krunner and see :)
[21:25] <ahoneybun> does not seem to be a bug report
[21:25] <ahoneybun> unless I'm searching wrong
[21:27] <sgclark> perhaps not, I have a terrible time finding bugs in kde bugzilla
[21:27] <ahoneybun> mm
[21:52] <keithzg> It goes look like there's only 2 open bugs files against the "converter" component in krunner: https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?bug_severity=normal&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=converter&list_id=1311557&product=krunner
[21:52] <keithzg> s/goes/does
[21:54] <keithzg> Not many bugs ever, it seems, so perhaps most are filed against respective backends instead? https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?bug_severity=normal&bug_status=ANY&component=converter&list_id=1311557&product=krunner
[22:06] <valorie> I was told that something about 2-stage authentication was the problem with google
[22:06] <valorie> but I never managed to make it work in ktp either
[22:18] <keithzg> valorie: I have it working these days on my Jolla, which uses Telepathy as the backend, but I *don't* have 2-stage authentication set up with Google. And I actually had to turn down Google's security settings anyways to get normal plain IMAP access :( In the Google account settings this is a user-friendly but then unfortunately rather blunt option of just toggling on or off "Allow less secure apps".
[22:19] <valorie> interesting
[22:22] <keithzg> Hmm, although I did just fire up a 15.10 VM and try it and I get the same error with the authentication.
[22:26] <keithzg> Admittedly I haven't tried it on my Jolla for at least a week or two. I'll have to double-check that when I get home then.
[22:27] <ahoneybun> keithzg: I think this is it https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340819
[22:28] <ahoneybun> 1 USD in EUR
[22:28] <ahoneybun> gives 1e+99 EUR
[22:28] <ahoneybun> so the bug is there
[22:28] <soee> hiho
[22:29] <ahoneybun> hola soee
[22:30] <keithzg> ahoneybun: A bit weird that it was resolved as a dupe of https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345750 which is a *newer* bug, heh.
[22:32] <ahoneybun> thing is I remember commenting on a bug at akademy
[22:36] <keithzg> ahoneybun: You should be able to just search for your comments then, eh?
[22:37] <ahoneybun> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350652
[22:37] <ahoneybun> yep thanks keithzg
[22:39] <ahoneybun> I've marked that bug as a copy of 345750


[19:41] <Unit193> I say congrats on the new tab design! It's not a major slowdown as I've seen with others!
[20:26] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, nearly the weekend :)
[20:27] <Unit193> Oooh, don't remind me...


[00:14] <spiv> lifeless: actually "Connected (version 2.0, ..." means paramiko is being used.  The "client OpenSSH_3.8..." in that string is actually paramiko reporting the server version.
[00:15] <spiv> lifeless: I filed a bug on paramiko about that recently.
[00:15] <lifeless> grah
[00:15] <lifeless> thanks
[06:34] <spiv> poolie_: http://sphinx.pocoo.org/ext/extlinks.html
[07:24] <poolie_> spiv, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mbp/bzr/doc-2.2/+merge/32293
[09:01]  * spiv is done for the day, see you tomorrow.
[09:08] <bialix> hi all
[14:06] <amanica> dipnlik: I could not find such a bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-rewrite/+bugs?field.searchtext=dryrun), so maybe you can file one if you like.
[14:06] <amanica> ehm. ignore that
[15:56] <jml> anyone know where I can find the branch management plugin vila was working on?
[17:26] <rocky> jelmer, quick question for you... if i'm working in a local bzr branch that has a remote svn parent (pushing/pulling) with bzr-svn ... and the remote branch makes changes and i merge them locally, when i push back, will it try and push back the merge?
[17:27] <jelmer> rocky: Yes
[17:27] <rocky> even tho the merge should be empty right?
[17:27] <rocky> that feels like ugly artifacts
[17:28] <jelmer> rocky: Why would it be empty? That merge would contain their change.
[17:28] <jelmer> rocky: If you don't want a merge commit to appear, use rebase
[17:29] <rocky> hm
[17:29]  * rocky has to think about this some more
[17:29] <jelmer> rocky: bzr-svn isn't any different from "normal" bzr in this regard.
[17:30] <rocky> sure, of course i use bzr-svn more often then i use regular bzr ;)
[17:30] <jelmer> heh, ok
[17:38] <quicksilver> is there a good solution to the umask issue?
[17:39] <quicksilver> (that newly remotely pushed branches don't get group writable, and I want them to)
[17:39] <jelmer> hi quicksilver
[17:39] <jelmer> quicksilver: I'm not aware of one, but jam might know.
[17:41] <jam> jelmer, quicksilver: The only thing I've seen is writing a bzr wrapper that calls 'umask 002' before execing bzr proper
[17:41]  * quicksilver nods
[17:41] <jam> or similarly for sftp, etc.
[17:42] <quicksilver> I wondered if it could be fixed in SSH config somehow
[17:42] <jam> quicksilver: IIRC you can change the global default umask in one of the /etc files
[17:42] <jam> or something like this: http://jeff.robbins.ws/articles/setting-the-umask-for-sftp-transactions
[17:42] <jam> http://jeff.robbins.ws/articles/setting-the-umask-for-sftp-transactions
[17:43] <jam> but bzr doesn't run as a subsystem, just another remote command
[17:43] <jam> quicksilver: I'm never quite sure whether profile or whatever gets run
[17:43] <jam> but I think changing /etc/profile.d to set a default umask for everyone to 0002 would get invoked
[17:44] <jml> is there a way to specify an SVN revision when using bzr-svn?
[17:44] <jelmer> jml: -rsvn:42
[17:45] <jelmer> jml, see also `bzr help revisionspec`
[17:45] <jml> jelmer, it doesn't show up there
[17:47] <jelmer> jml: that's odd, do you have a recent (less than a year old) version of bzr/bzr-svn?
[17:47] <jml> huh, I don't even have it installed :)
[17:48] <jml> I'm using a bzr branch made with bzr-svn :)
[17:49] <jml> jelmer, sorry for the noise.
[17:49] <jelmer> np
[22:26] <lamont> can I tell .bzrignore to ignore everything in foo/ except foo/bar?
[22:27] <lifeless> yes
[22:27] <lifeless> you can give it a regex
[22:27] <lifeless> OTOH
[22:27] <lifeless> you can just add foo/bar
[22:27] <lifeless> adds override ignores
[22:27] <lamont> though changes would still be ignored, yes?
[22:27] <lifeless> to added files? no
[22:27] <lamont> so bzrignore is regex(5)?  extended or non?
[22:28] <lifeless> bzr help ignores
[22:28] <lifeless> its zsh globs
[22:28] <lifeless> with an optional make-a-line-a-regex mode
[22:28] <lifeless> lamont: whats the situation though, I doubt you need this
[22:28] <lamont> whole bunch of stuff in foo, only want foo/bar to be in bzr from that directory
[22:29] <lifeless> yeah
[22:29] <lamont> themes-y stuff
[22:29] <lifeless> just bzr add foo/bar
[22:29] <lifeless> done
[22:29] <lifeless> bzr ignore foo
[22:29] <lifeless> bzr add foo/bar
[22:29] <lifeless> win
[22:29] <lamont> ta
[22:29]  * lamont looks at the clock, sleeps
[23:47] <abli> Hi! any idea what might be causing 'Permission denied (publickey)' errors when I am trying to check out (branch) a branch from launchpad? 'bzr branch' says: "bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist." To make it more misterious, branching the same repo works as another user on another computer
[23:48] <lifeless> do you have your ssh key present /unlocked
[23:48] <abli> present?  what does that mean? I am trying to do an 'anonymous checkout'
[23:49] <lifeless> what url are you giving bzr ?
[23:49] <abli> bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gregor-muellegger/django-sorted-m2m-field/trunk/
[23:49] <lifeless> that uses ssh
[23:50] <lifeless> so you need your ssh key on your machine
[23:50] <abli> hmm. I'll try bzr+http
[23:50] <lifeless> just http://
[23:50] <abli> do I also need an account on launchpad?
[23:50] <lifeless> no bzr+
[23:50] <abli> ok
[23:50] <abli> ah. http:// worked. Thanks!


[01:38] <ramseize> webee
[01:45] <ramseize> weebee deng ~_~
[01:46] <deng> hello :)
[01:46] <ramseize> :P
[01:46] <Ramseize> how are you?
[01:47] <epal> pine...
[01:47] <epal> tree..
[01:47] <Ramseize> lolz
[01:48] <Ramseize> sino dito may home server?
[01:48] <epal> wut s dat? :D
[01:48] <epal> food? :/
[01:49] <Ramseize> hehehe
[01:49] <Ramseize> ano gamit mo epal? maverick?
[01:50] <epal> hindi aku ubuntu hehehe
[01:50] <Ramseize> ahh ic, ~_~
[01:51] <Ramseize> location mo epal?
[01:51] <epal> pelipins hehe
[01:53] <Ramseize> epal,  tambay ka naman sa bagong kong website http://pinoygeeks.net
[01:53] <Ramseize> join our discussion @ http://pinoygeeks.net/discussion
[01:54] <Terminus> Ramseize: ako may home server. =P
[02:16] <Ramseize> @terminus, can you tell me about your server? im planning to build one kasi,
[02:16] <butiki> Ramseize: Error: "terminus," is not a valid command.
[02:16] <Ramseize> @ terminus, can you tell me about your server? im planning to build one kasi,
[02:16] <butiki> Ramseize: Error: "terminus," is not a valid command.
[02:19] <Ramseize> terminus, ubuntu server gamit mo?
[11:30] <ramseize> weebee
[12:02] <ramseize> anyone still here?
[13:02] <Terminus-> ramseize: me. and to answer your question earlier, i run debian at home.
[13:03] <ramseize> nice terminus, can you teach me how to build a webserver at home?> what things i need to know about, and other stuff
[13:07] <Terminus-> ramseize: just install apache2 and go from there. you won't need to configure anything if you just want a basic setup.
[13:10] <ramseize> Terminus ic., i have a adsl at home, pwede ko bah gamitin for my server, or not advisable?
[13:11] <Terminus-> ramseize: it's fine. you probably won't expect much traffic anyway. i usually just remote to my home box to control torrents and stuff.
[13:11] <ramseize> ic ic, so kailangan ko gamit ng dynamic dns, kasi wala man ako static ip,
[13:12] <Terminus-> ramseize: yep. i just use a free dyndns.com account and ddclient to automatically update the ip address.
[13:13] <ramseize> ic ic, regarding the dsl modem, open ko lang port diba? tapos ok na, may kailangan pa bah ako malaman na configuration regarding sa router?
[13:14] <Terminus-> ramseize: ah... your modem is running as a NAT. i typically remove that. i run my modem using bridge mode.
[13:14] <ramseize> ahhh
[13:14] <ramseize> ano pala difference between nat and bridge mode?
[13:17] <Terminus-> ramseize: NAT means multiple private addresses are translated to a single public ip address thereby making the PCs on the LAN side unreachable with port forwarding, even if a single PC is attached directly to the modem. bridge mode OTOH will give the PC attached to the modem a public ip address.
[13:17] <Terminus-> since my modem is bridged, my server gets a public ip address and i use the server to handle NAT for workstations instead.
[13:18] <ramseize> ic ic, so modem->you server->workstation?
[13:19] <ramseize> amin kasi dito sa bahay modem-> networkhub-> workstation
[13:20] <Terminus-> yup. it's modem <-> server <-> switch <-> workstations
[13:21] <ramseize> ic ic so ung server dapat may 2 ethernet?
[13:22] <Terminus-> yup. one for the WAN side and another for the LAN side. there's a way to configure it with only one NIC but it's more complicated and more expensive.
[13:24] <ramseize> ic, lately din kasi bumili ako extra 10/100 ethernet card, pero yung built-in ko is 10/100/1000 ethernet card
[13:25] <Terminus-> ramseize: if you have a gigabit switch, i'd recommend using the onboard NIC on the LAN side. it's useless on the WAN side.
[13:25] <ramseize> iconfigure ko ung isang ethernet to share internet connection para sa workstation diba?
[13:26] <Terminus-> ramseize: yes. you just need to configure iptables. on my box, it's this: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
[13:26] <ramseize> ic ic, thanks, this is nice,
[13:26] <Terminus-> eth0 is the WAN port. it will give you a basic NAT. you'll need to read up on iptables if you want to do something more advanced.
[13:27] <Terminus-> ramseize: you kept on getting disconnected earlier this afternoon. bad net connection?
[13:27] <Terminus-> evening wers =)
[13:27] <ramseize> i also have this problem Terminus, napuputol ang internet connection ko, must be the modem
[13:28] <wers> good evening :)
[13:29] <ramseize> hello wers
[13:29] <ramseize> Terminus bigla nalang napuputol ang connection, nawawala ang dsl connection
[13:29] <Terminus-> ramseize: i'd also check the phone line for proper grounding at the demarc box and making sure there're as few splices as possible. none would be best.
[13:30] <ramseize> i see, yan yung main problem ko now kasi, if im planning to build a web server, dapat ndi napuputol ang connection, hmmm
[13:31] <Terminus-> ramseize: a lot of the problems i've seen with net connections involve crappy wiring in the area of the demarc box. of course, if you're far from the dsl distribution point.
[13:31] <Terminus-> err, i mean if you're far from the distribution point, that would also be a problem.
[13:33] <ramseize> hmm, must also be the telephone lines, and malayo ako sa modem, hmm about 90 meters away.
[13:33] <pepesmith> i like the flood
[13:34] <ramseize> hi pepesmith
[13:35] <ramseize> Terminus, invite din sana kita na sumali sa bagong community ko, http://pinoygeeks.net dito ang discussion namin http://pinoygeeks.net/discussion
[13:35] <pepesmith> modem/router ba yan?
[13:36] <ramseize> yep
[13:40] <Terminus-> bugger. putty froze while i was deleting files. =/
[14:14] <ramseize> weebe lubot
[14:39] <epal> !seen epal
[14:39] <butiki> epal: epal was last seen in #ubuntu-ph 12 hours, 48 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <epal> pelipins hehe
[14:39] <epal> heh, daming bots pala
[14:43] <pepesmith> !seen magdiwang
[14:43] <butiki> pepesmith: I have not seen magdiwang.
[14:43] <pepesmith> !seen magdiwang
[14:43] <butiki> pepesmith: I have not seen magdiwang.
[14:43] <pepesmith> sira
[14:44] <pepesmith> @seen magdiwang
[14:44] <butiki> pepesmith: I have not seen magdiwang.
[15:02] <Ramseize> weebee
[15:04] <epal> weebee to u hehehe
[15:05] <Ramseize> still there Terminus
[15:05] <Ramseize> epal,  heheh kamusta?
[15:06] <epal> hehe ok pa naman :D
[15:06] <Ramseize> epal,  may alam ka sa bridge mode sa dsl modem
[15:06] <Ramseize> ?
[15:07] <Terminus-> Ramseize: yep.
[15:08] <Ramseize> im tweaking my dsl modem,  under WAN, instead routing gawin ko siyang bridge?
[15:10] <epal> ala eh.. sorry :(
[15:11] <Ramseize> Terminus, dun  ko bah configure and bridge mode?
[15:16] <Terminus-> well, the config is on the modem itself.
[15:22] <Ramseize> what do you mean? so wala dun sa wan?
[15:32] <Ramseize> guys may alam kayo na vps hosting na mura, gusto ko kasi pag aralan
[15:43] <bhearsum> Ramseize: slicehost.com ako -- ewan ko na mura kaysa sa iba, pero ang galing tsaka geek-oriented
[15:43] <bhearsum> $20 USD/mnth ang pinakamurang plan
[15:44] <Ramseize> pero pero wala kasi ako money, ndi ako maka afford ng ganyan ka laki na halaga
[15:44] <Ramseize> wala bang free?
[15:44] <bhearsum> ah, ewan ko
[15:44] <bhearsum> ano mong aralan?
[15:45] <bhearsum> siguro mo gusto ng local VM?
[15:45] <Ramseize> gusto ko ilipat kasi ang domain ko, web server and dating, at the same time, host ircd if possible
[15:45] <bhearsum> o sige, hindi mo gusto ng local VM :)
[15:46] <Ramseize> ok naman ang local VM pero may problem pa kasi ako sa internet ko lagi napuputol
[15:47] <Ramseize> so ndi ko rin maka web server, kasi lagi napuputol ang internet ko
[15:47] <bhearsum> yeah
[15:48] <Ramseize> kaya nga hanap ako mura, or free kahit 1$ per month ~_~ meron kaya nun?
[15:48] <bhearsum> sorry ha, ewan ko naman ng free VPS :(
[15:49] <Ramseize> may nakita ako mga around 5-9$ pero sana may mas mababa pa
[15:49] <bhearsum> 5-9 USD?
[15:50] <bhearsum> may $7.95 USD/mo dito: http://vpslink.com/vps-hosting/
[15:51] <bhearsum> wow, $5 USD/mo dito: http://www.vpscolo.com/
[15:51] <Ramseize> uu
[15:51] <bhearsum> 4.95: http://www.joinvps.com/
[15:51] <bhearsum> may maraming pili :)
[15:51] <Ramseize> thanks ill check it out
[15:52] <bhearsum> np
[15:52] <bhearsum> good luck!
[15:52] <Ramseize> anyway join ka naman sa community ko http://pinoygeeks.net/discussion
[15:52] <bhearsum> hehe, pero hindi akong pinoy, pwede ba?
[15:52] <Ramseize> really?
[15:53] <bhearsum> yeah
[15:53] <bhearsum> pilipina ang asawa ko
[15:53] <Ramseize> if ndi ka pinoy, then how can you speak tagalog?
[15:53] <Ramseize> ohhhhhhhhh
[15:53] <bhearsum> nagaaral pa ako
[15:53] <Ramseize> ic ic, so you learned from your wife?
[15:53] <Ramseize> ic ic
[15:53] <bhearsum> oo, also from classes/self study
[15:53] <Ramseize> nice to hear that, good luck din
[15:53] <bhearsum> thanks!
[15:53] <Ramseize> thats nice
[15:54] <Ramseize> well hope you could hang out @ http://pinoygeeks.net/discussion we could use your help
[15:54] <bhearsum> i'll check it out
[15:54] <Ramseize> ok
[17:19] <Ramseize> devkorcvince,  weebee
[17:20] <devkorcvince> Ramseize: gud eve
[17:20] <devkorcvince> Ramseize: do you know ruby?
[17:20] <Ramseize> devkorcvince,  nope , sorry
[17:20] <Ramseize> devkorcvince,  are you filipino?
[17:21] <devkorcvince> Ramseize: aw patulong sana ako... pinoy ako na sawa ako kaka ingles sa rubyonrails forum
[17:35] <Ramseize> heheh
[17:35] <Ramseize> how can i help?
[17:35] <Ramseize> RoR ibig mong sabihin?
[17:36] <Ramseize> so what about rails?
[17:37] <Ramseize> weebee EroSenninJL
[17:37] <EroSenninJL> hi
[17:37] <EroSenninJL> so ubuntu users lahat dito? :D
[17:37] <Ramseize> meron din iba ndi
[17:38] <Ramseize> tambay lang, kasi parang ito lang ata pinoy community sa freenode
[17:38] <EroSenninJL> whew
[17:38] <EroSenninJL> taga san k ram?
[17:39] <Ramseize> me davao
[17:39] <EroSenninJL> a ok
[17:39] <EroSenninJL> sa manila ako
[17:39] <Ramseize> ic, san sa manila?
[17:39] <EroSenninJL> sa makati tol
[17:40] <Ramseize> yep at this moment im using ubuntu
[17:40] <EroSenninJL> cool
[17:40] <EroSenninJL> parang ang tahimik dito, ano? lol
[17:40] <Ramseize> hehe its 1:40 am, tulog pa sila
[17:40] <Ramseize> im still awake kasi nag research pa ako, regarding about servers
[17:41] <EroSenninJL> ah
[17:41] <EroSenninJL> ako i'm trying to look for ways to get yahoo webcam for empathy :D
[17:41] <Ramseize> yap yap...
[17:42] <Ramseize> hmmm webcam? empathy...
[17:43] <Ramseize> ndi ko alam about ngaun, pero dati ang empathy ndi maka webcam i dont know about now
[17:43] <Ramseize> im not using any webcam, so im not familiar about dyan
[17:43] <EroSenninJL> ah ok lang heehe
[17:44] <Ramseize> ei mahilig ka ba sa mga computers, hardware, pc stuff?
[17:47] <Ramseize> EroSenninJL,  intersted in joining  a community?
[17:47] <EroSenninJL> actually yeah
[17:51] <EroSenninJL> any suggestions?
[17:52] <EroSenninJL> meron pa bang gising dito?
[17:53] <Ramseize> meron ako bagong gawa na community, if you wanna join, i would love to have you onboard http://pinoygeeks.net/discussion
[17:59] <EroSenninJL> hehehe
[17:59] <EroSenninJL> done
[18:03] <EroSenninJL> walang gising?! :D
[18:03] <Ramseize> pede ka tanong dun, try namin sagutin
[18:03] <Ramseize> hehehe
[18:03] <Ramseize> 2:00 am na,. xempre wala na gising tau lang
[18:04] <EroSenninJL> kung sa
[18:04] <EroSenninJL> oy cge may pasok pa ko later heeheh
[18:38] <devkorcvince> Ramseize up kapa
[18:44] <Ramseize> yep
[18:45] <Ramseize> ano yun devkorcvince?
[18:48] <devkorcvince> Ramseize: hehehe sino MUTO diti sa loco team?
[18:48] <devkorcvince> dito
[18:48] <devkorcvince> ??
[18:49] <devkorcvince> Ramseize: MOTU kaba pa mentor ako?
[18:49] <bhearsum> ano MOTU?
[18:49] <devkorcvince> bhearsum: master of the universe
[18:50] <bhearsum> oh, hehe
[18:50] <devkorcvince> volunters sa ubuntu para mag package ng mga apps
[18:50] <bhearsum> aaaah
[18:51] <devkorcvince> bhearsum: baka MOTU ka pa mentor ako or pano mag contribute?
[18:52] <devkorcvince> c #zakame parang MOTU nato paturo master?
[18:52] <bhearsum> sorry ha, hindi akong contributor, hang-out dito lang ako :)
[18:53] <devkorcvince> cno naka test na ng unity sa x64... di ako maka install sa vbox using x64 specs my bug sa installer...
[18:55] <devkorcvince> bhearsum: hangout din ako hehehe... bago kolang natapus templating module ko gamit openoffice.org with jodconverter then sa ror odf-reporter at net.http


[09:44] <doctormo> pleia2: Máirín of Red Hat and Debra of the FSF are involved in a small project here to teach the Girl Guides how to use inkscape, we'll be doing materials. odt it looks like.
[18:37] <pleia2> doctormo: that's great!
[18:37] <pleia2> I've been working with Debra of the FSF on some women/girl free software stuff, but hadn't actually heard of that yet
[19:28] <nigelb> doctormo: \o/


[01:56] <bryce> tjaalton: you abouts?
[02:48] <superm1> bryce, matthew tippet said hello :)
[02:48] <bryce> hey, hello back :-)
[02:48] <superm1> i'm assuming you saw the mail to ubuntu-devel about that libGL change?
[02:49] <bryce> yes
[02:49] <bryce> I'm wondering if something just didn't get checked into lrm git or something?
[02:49] <superm1> there is more to it, but it boils down to avoid using the mesa one, because there is no gurarantee that it wont be broken
[02:50] <superm1> well i think there was a miscommunication somewhere along the way, probably someone who tried it with mesa and said woah this works
[02:50] <superm1> lets stop diverting
[02:50] <bryce> could be
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #163325 in scim (main) "File browser doesn't response when I press a key (dup-of: 66104)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163325
[05:08] <tjaalton> bryce: I'm here now
[05:09] <tjaalton> there is no lrm git
[05:10] <tjaalton> oh AMD replied, fair enough :)
[05:11] <tjaalton> so fglrx continues to suck, that's too bad
[05:13] <tjaalton> BenC didn't use the version I uploaded for 2.6.24, so all the changes are "lost"
[05:14] <tjaalton> and he doesn't seem to want to comment why that happened, either
[05:18] <superm1> interesting?
[05:19] <tjaalton> what is?
[05:19] <superm1> all the changes are "lost"
[05:19] <superm1> they werent in some vcs?
[05:19] <tjaalton> no
[05:19] <tjaalton> lrm isn't maintained in a vcs
[05:19] <bryce> hmm, I thought lrm used git
[05:19] <tjaalton> nope
[05:19] <bryce> huh
[05:19] <tjaalton> I asked that on #ubuntu-kernel
[05:19] <bryce> ok
[05:19] <tjaalton> well, it's the biggest source package there is (>>100MB)
[05:20] <tjaalton> maybe it's doable though
[05:20] <tjaalton> but the situation currently is that nvidia*/fglrx are uninstallable
[05:21] <superm1> yeah i noticed that when trying to master hardy mythbuntu disks
[05:21] <tjaalton> since they provide xserver-xorg-video, which xserver-xorg conflicts with
[07:15] <tjaalton> ok, fglrx debian maintainer informed about the libGL mess
[08:49] <superm1> thanks tjaalton
[08:50] <tjaalton> no thank you for checking it out
[08:50] <tjaalton> +, :)
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #177852 in xorg-server (main) "Unale to manually configure monitor resolution and refresh rate with latest xorg-server in hardy." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177852
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177862 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "xserver crash on vt switch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177862
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #177870 in xorg (main) "SGI licenced code in Xorg is non-free" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177870
[15:53] <ubotu> New bug: #177907 in xorg-server (main) "I watch all video  .avi in black and white" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177907
[15:59] <pochu> I moved that one to xserver ^ as I also have that and slomo told me it was X, as both totem with Gstreamer, and Mplayer fail. Let me know if that's not xserver, and what it is then ;)
[16:06] <pochu> Just found bug 149791, nevermind :)
[16:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149791 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Black & White Video Output (Gutsy)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149791
[16:16] <ubotu> New bug: #35845 in xkeyboard-config (main) "compose:ralt option broken with 0.8 update" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35845
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177719 in xorg-server (main) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177719


[01:03] <mikedep333> darnit, I would have taken/bought one of samuraialba's switches
[01:03] <mikedep333> stupid twitter won't load ---> http://twitter.com/#!/Samuraialba
[01:21] <MutantTurkey> "ubuntu is fully compatible with microsoft office"
[01:21] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: more examples of how they take credit
[01:21] <Sadin> lol
[01:21] <MutantTurkey> actually, LibreOffice, with over 10 years of development and many thouseands of man hours are microsoft compatible
[01:21] <MutantTurkey> mostly
[01:22] <pavel__> hello
[01:25] <MutantTurkey> hey
[01:25] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, it's mostly compatible with office 2003 formats
[01:26] <mikedep333> last year at my fraternity house it had a terrible time dealing with new office 2010 documents
[01:27] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[01:27] <MutantTurkey> well thats that
[01:27] <MutantTurkey> either way ubuntu is stealing credit
[01:27]  * mikedep333 has a distaste for this general type of marketing
[01:34] <MutantTurkey> yes
[05:10] <InHisName> Hey jedijf, woot now has a Lenovo for only $300 - if woot is still burning a hole in your pocket . . . . . . .
[08:45] <JonathanD> Good morning.
[09:01] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:13] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[09:13] <JonathanD> how goes?
[09:13] <rmg51> goes ok
[09:13] <rmg51> as long as it doesn't rain tonight
[09:13] <JonathanD> don't want rain?
[09:14] <rmg51> Teddy doesn't like to get wet
[09:14] <JonathanD> ah
[09:14] <JonathanD> whats tonight?
[09:14] <JonathanD> the releas4e party?
[09:14] <rmg51> yep
[09:14] <JonathanD> wonder if I could get the train down there in reasonable time...
[09:15] <rmg51> it doesn't start till 6
[09:15] <JonathanD> I would be late.
[09:15] <rmg51> or whenever enough people show up :-/
[09:16] <JonathanD> whats the addY?
[09:16] <rmg51> 22
[09:16] <rmg51> south 3rd
[09:16] <rmg51> that should have been one line
[09:17] <JonathanD> The train would get me there at 7.
[09:18] <JonathanD> :/
[09:19] <JonathanD> I don't get off til 5:30, theres a 5:40 train that would get there at 6:30, but I doubt I can make it to the station that fast.
[09:20] <JonathanD> I'm going to hold my OWN release party.
[09:22] <rmg51> sneek out early ;-)
[09:24] <JonathanD> We have visitors today, not likely I can get away with that.
[09:24] <JonathanD> And I already did tuesday.
[09:25] <JonathanD> That was to get crissi and lyz to plug on time
[09:25] <JonathanD> :P
[09:28] <rmg51> sit a cardboard cutout of yourself at your desk
[09:40] <JonathanD> heh :)
[09:41] <rmg51> JonathanD:  if things go as usual, 7 won't be late
[09:41] <JonathanD> rmg51: in that case I'll see what I can do.
[09:42] <rmg51> I doubt many people will show at 6
[09:42] <JonathanD> rmg51: the other side of it is when I get back, crissi and the kids need to come get me at the train station.
[09:42] <JonathanD> and it's a school night.
[09:42] <JonathanD> well fine then, be that way :p
[09:43] <JonathanD> unless someone wants to give me a ride home
[09:45] <rmg51> that was a dumb thing to do
[09:46] <rmg51> I wanted to lower the volume (Fn + F5)
[09:46] <rmg51> push F4 instead
[09:46] <rmg51> that puts the lappy to sleep
[09:46] <rmg51> dumb :P
[09:47] <JonathanD> welcome back, rmg51
[09:48] <JonathanD> rmg51: I can probably make it if someone can give me a ride back. Or if I can get back to NTC via train by 9ish.
[09:48] <JonathanD> Kids have school, and they all have to come to pick me up.
[09:52] <rmg51> I'm not sure where everyone who is coming lives
[09:52] <rmg51> long way around for me to drive you home
[10:02] <InHisName> late morning to u 2
[10:03] <JonathanD> howdy InHisName
[10:03] <JonathanD> rmg51: maybe I should just bring everyone ;)
[10:06] <rmg51> JonathanD:  that might not work
[10:06] <rmg51> it is a bar
[10:06] <rmg51> with food
[10:06] <rmg51> not sure about the kids
[10:07] <JonathanD> oh :P
[10:07] <JonathanD> well nevermind then.
[10:08] <JonathanD> They could stand outside and sell lemonade though.
[10:22] <InHisName> I doubt it will be a sweltering night - lousy lemonade sales time.
[11:14] <jedijf> rmg51: bringing a laptop?
[11:15] <jedijf> rmg51: if so, bring one that wouldn't do unity, i want to see 2d unity
[11:15] <JonathanD> would a tablet PC be interesting?
[11:16] <jedijf> JonathanD: always
[11:16] <JonathanD> I'm still not sure I can make it, mind.
[11:16] <JonathanD> rather, I can, but I might have to walk home :P
[11:16] <jedijf> InHisName: thanks but i am holding out for an i5-7, prolly samsung
[11:16] <JonathanD> when does 11.10 actually become available?
[11:16] <jedijf> JonathanD: no rush, 6 months to play
[11:17] <jedijf> today
[11:17] <JonathanD> not yet, though, right?
[11:17] <JonathanD> later today?
[11:17] <jedijf> usually 11-12'ish
[11:17] <JonathanD> ok
[11:17] <jedijf> i have tues nights daily build
[11:17] <jedijf> close enough
[11:18] <JonathanD> possible to get to the NHSL from the release party?
[11:18] <JonathanD> I could walk home from the bridgeport station I think.
[11:28] <rmg51> jedijf: the only laptop I'm bringing is Teddy's ( System76)
[11:28] <rmg51> and that can run Unity
[11:29] <jedijf> JonathanD: don't sweat it, we'll do another release something when the disks arrive
[11:29] <rmg51> you will have to wait till Sat for anything else
[11:29] <rmg51> work time :P
[11:29] <jedijf> i could try booting on this (van)
[11:34] <JonathanD> jedijf: k. I'd like to bring the x200 around to play with.
[11:34] <JonathanD> I'll have it dual booting windows 8 demo and 11.10
[11:40] <waltman> morning
[11:40] <JonathanD> hi waltman!
[12:00] <waltman> yo
[12:01] <pleia2> morning
[12:15] <teddy-dbear> morning
[12:15] <JonathanD> Morning teddy.
[12:16] <teddy-dbear> and a big good morning to all the party goers :-D
[13:24] <rmg51> 11.10 is now available
[13:29] <knightzero> Good morning all.
[13:30] <knightzero> I guess it's time to update my testing laptop.
[13:50] <toggles> out yet?
[13:50] <toggles> yup.. sweet..
[13:51] <rmg51> (09:24:45 AM) rmg: 11.10 is now available
[14:44] <InHisName> any upgrading right now ?   How is speed of bits going ?  Decent ?
[14:49] <JonathanD> InHisName: fast!
[14:49] <InHisName> Maybe I should upgrade now then?
[14:51] <TheEvilPhoenix> did they finally release yet?
[14:55] <JonathanD> InHisName: took about 10 minuts to get the iso
[14:55] <JonathanD> not bad at all
[14:57] <InHisName> I got a 'welcome to Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot'  pop up  with "Yes, Upgrade now " button   I don't think that does an iso download though.
[15:00] <JonathanD> I'm doing a clean install on an x200 tablet PC
[15:01] <JonathanD> hence hte iso
[15:01] <JonathanD> the
[15:01] <JonathanD> it's almost done.
[15:31] <JonathanD> installing
[15:31] <InHisName1> Well, I started it.  This is the soonest I have ever upgraded. Hope it goes well.
[15:31] <JonathanD> InHisName1: is this on your primary machine?
[15:32] <InHisName1> did a lotta preparetary stuff.  Now d/l 2,333Mb   3.6 hours.
[15:32] <InHisName1> Yes doing main one first this time.
[15:33] <JonathanD> Good luck ;)
[15:33] <InHisName1> thanks
[15:34] <InHisName1> fetching file 72 of 2467  4 hrs 3 minutes remain
[15:35] <InHisName1> Now I have time for organizing my computer room in basement some more.  Uggh
[15:37] <JonathanD> it took a picture of me
[15:37] <JonathanD> :/
[15:38] <rmg51> that's why I like to do upgrades from the alt disk
[16:02] <InHisName1> now 362 of 2367   11 hours remaining !!!???!
[16:35] <rmg51> bad time to upgrade from update manager
[16:35] <InHisName1> 857 of 2367   4 hrs remaining
[16:37] <rmg51> should have downloaded alt iso burned the cd and done the upgrade from the disk
[16:57] <JonathanD> Well, it's installed
[16:57] <JonathanD> Touch screen does not work.
[16:57] <JonathanD> and I haven't found a concise answer on how to make it work yet.
[17:31] <knightzero> Upgrade downloaded and installed on the testing laptop just a few minutes ago....I haven't even bothered to log in yet and test it out
[19:30] <InHisName1> 1432 of 2367    1 day 13 hrs left
[19:31] <rmg51> speeding right along :P
[19:32] <rmg51> told you hours ago to use the alt disk
[19:32] <InHisName1> like a slo mo comercial
[19:32] <InHisName1> kids home, chore times.     NOT, one is hurt and other is 'pirate that doesn't do anything at all' mode.


[11:06] <ion_> keybuk: http://www.netsplit.com/ Couldn't write to: /srv/www.netsplit.com/htdocs/wp-content/cache/wp-cache-ffb167c5eaec6916b1841e6f7b5beea6.html
[11:06] <ion_> I was attempting to open your blog in case i’d find current information about how Upstart 1.0 works.
[11:09] <ion_> Next up: the mailing list archive.
[11:09] <Keybuk> *blink*
[11:19] <Keybuk> fsck errors
[11:19] <Keybuk> on a UML
[11:19] <Keybuk> go figure
[11:21] <Keybuk> fixed anyway
[11:46] <ion_> keybuk: I liked The Siege. :-)
[14:29] <sadmac2> ion_: what's The Siege?
[14:29] <Keybuk> http://www.netsplit.com/2009/02/26/drabble-contest-the-siege/
[14:29] <Keybuk> I guess
[14:30] <sadmac2> ah yes. fun.
[14:31]  * sadmac2 considers starting a lipogram planet meme


[09:24] <jdbrowne> maxb: yes, finally the steps are simple, "svn co svn://my-script" then "cd my-script", then "dpkg-buildpackage -r" to get a package. And the debian/rules is super short. I used dh_install and I wrote a debian/my-script.install file. Less than ten lines of code to generate a package.
[09:24] <maxb> You don't need -r
[09:46] <jdbrowne> ok, then I do not need dh_testroot either in the build. I am trying to understand whether I need dh_testdir, dh_testroot. The manpage explains what these command do while I do not know whether I should do it or not. Finally my debian/rules seems to work fine with only dh_clean in the clean target and only dh_{prep,install,gencontrol,builddeb} in the binary-indep target
[09:53] <jdbrowne> I thought the -r was mandatory for making root the owner of the files in the package. I wonder why the -r exists if dpkg-buildpackage can make the file own by root without the -r option. Maybe the -r is just to make it possible to change the default command to gain root.
[10:13] <maxb> jdbrowne: No, you should keep dh_testroot
[10:13] <maxb> You don't need -r because dpkg-buildpackage uses fakeroot by default
[10:19] <jdbrowne> I have read the man of dh_testroot ("dh_testroot - ensure that a package is built as root") and the footnotes of the debian policy mentionning fakeroot (http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/footnotes.html#f23) without understanding why it is important to use dh_testroot. Do you know the reason why I should use it?
[10:21] <maxb> You should use it to verify that the package you're about to build will have proper owner/group/mode info set
[10:21] <maxb> It's there as a safeguard to prevent an accidentally wrong invocation silently building a package with wrong permissions
[10:36] <jdbrowne> sorry for insisting, which command or situation could lead to an accidental invocation building incorrectly the package? another tool than dpkg-buildpackage?
[11:17] <Decepticon> During the session, Kirkland invited participants to ssh into an Amazon EC2 instance with a shared screen session which he used to illustrate various screen-profiles capabilities
[11:17] <Decepticon> can we do this, i want to see what this looks like
[13:00] <oldman_> ah
[13:00] <oldman_> was wondering why the lesson wasn't starting
[13:00] <oldman_> 14th May, not 13th
[13:00] <oldman_> :/
[14:38] <jdbrowne> Are there solutions to install packages from a repository into the user's home bin? without modifying the system's dpkg database, just the user dpkg database.
[14:58] <Mamarok> jdbrowne: you should ask in @ubuntu, this is not a support channel
[14:59] <jdbrowne> ok,
[16:53] <Kuzmich79> Привет всем


[08:20] <alexm> BobJonkman: you're support is appreciated
[08:20] <alexm> we don't need DVDs, we already got some
[08:22] <alexm> we're now expecting that the Community Council and LoCo Council make clear the rules for cultural/language LoCos


[10:49] <wolandtel> Hi.
[10:49] <wolandtel> Trying to launch pure debian on T72X 3G (MTK 6582 / 8312). Can anybody explain how to build right initramfs?


[23:27] <BottleB> anyone know how to join ##java?
[23:51] <bmahe> blair, /join ##java
[23:51] <bmahe> oops
[23:51] <bmahe> BottleB, ^
[23:51] <bmahe> sorry blair
[23:51] <blair> no problem ;)
[23:51] <BottleB> ;) i hadn't nicksrved


[00:17] <bcurtiswx> back
[01:19] <jcastro> TheMuso: yeesh, busy much?
[01:19]  * jcastro clears out his TheMuso branch mail
[01:19] <TheMuso> lol
[01:20] <TheMuso> jcastro: Its called landing things with enough time for review/fix, and inclusion by FF.
[01:20]  * jcastro high fives
[08:06] <didrocks> good morning
[08:07] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:44] <smspillaz> didrocks: morning!
[08:44] <didrocks> hey smspillaz, how are you?
[08:58] <smspillaz> didrocks: alright. Going to finish up this decoration frames handling thing today, merge into u-w-d and then merge into master
[09:00] <didrocks> smspillaz: excellent :)
[09:06] <smspillaz> njpatel: morning!
[09:06] <smspillaz> njpatel: I think I'm going to take a dive and port gtk-w-d to c-gobject
[09:07] <smspillaz> njpatel: I think that will be good anyways, since the 2D mode is essentially just a lot of duplicated code from the 3D mode, except s/rgba/rgb/
[09:08] <njpatel> smspillaz, cool, but compiz bugs more important right now
[09:08] <njpatel> smspillaz, and, morning :)
[09:19] <klattimer> seb128: dconf editor is complaining about libgtk-3.0.so.0 being missing, the file exists at libgtk-3.so.0
[09:19] <klattimer> should i file a bug?
[09:19] <seb128> klattimer, no need of a bug, it needs a rebuild, will do that in a bit
[09:20] <klattimer> ok thanks
[09:25] <seb128> klattimer, is that known that the indicator calendar doesn't display the days with events in a special way?
[09:25] <klattimer> seb128: how do you mean?
[09:26] <seb128> klattimer, shouldn't the days with events be bold in the calendar widget?
[09:26] <klattimer> seb128: that's a different widget it's from libido
[09:26] <klattimer> cody wrote that one, but I wasn't sure if i should start messing with that code
[09:26] <seb128> well, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate#Coming%20events says they should
[09:26] <klattimer> also, it means that we're loading eds into something else
[09:27] <seb128> so I guess it's a "not done yet"
[09:27] <seb128> well you for sure have the eds datas since you list those in the menus
[09:28] <klattimer> seb128: yeah but that's in the indicator-datettime code
[09:28] <klattimer> not libido
[09:29] <seb128> well ido only provides widgets
[09:29] <klattimer> maybe there'll be a way to add some code to libido so I can for instance "set_bold_day(date)" or something
[09:29] <klattimer> seb128: yeah that's what I mean
[09:29] <seb128> right I was going to suggest that
[09:29] <seb128> there is no reason ido needs to learn about backends
[09:29] <klattimer> well I have the libido source here, I was just hoping to test location stuff today
[09:29] <seb128> it could just win an api to bold days
[09:29] <klattimer> which requires me using dconf-editor
[09:30] <seb128> you can use gsettings on the command line
[09:30] <seb128> instead of dconf-editor
[09:30] <klattimer> oh ok ;)
[09:30] <seb128> gsettings list-keys
[09:30] <seb128> gsettings list-keys com.canonical.indicator.datetime
[09:30] <klattimer> gobject-introspection is annoying me :/
[09:30] <seb128> how so?
[09:30] <klattimer> there seem to be a bunch of bugs in pygi
[09:31] <klattimer> seb128: I'm getting a bunch of crashes on various apps
[09:31] <klattimer> and it mostly comes down to GI missing attributes and things
[09:31] <seb128> klattimer, which applications? things ubuntu ships or things you wrote?
[09:32] <seb128> klattimer, if you have issues with gi you can ping pitti on #ubuntu-desktop about those
[09:32] <klattimer> seb128: things ubuntu ships
[09:32] <klattimer> for instance, synaptic -> software sources causes a pygi crash
[09:32] <klattimer> and yesterday it was apport-gtk when run with sudo
[09:33] <seb128> klattimer, the software sources was a bug and got fixed yesterday
[09:33] <seb128> not sure about the apport one
[09:33] <seb128> if you still have it please ping pitti about it
[09:33] <klattimer> ok, will do
[09:34] <klattimer> seb128: I'm enabling proposed, is that a good idea?
[09:34] <klattimer> it seems I lag behind the releases
[09:35] <seb128> klattimer, there is no proposed in natty
[09:35] <seb128> the unstable distro get all updates directly
[09:35] <seb128> no point to have stable update during an unstable serie
[09:35] <klattimer> ok
[09:36] <seb128> klattimer, what upgrade is lagging behind for you?
[09:37] <klattimer> I was thinking a libindicate but I could be wrong
[10:04] <rodrigo_> njpatel: dbarth told me we were having the weekly a11y call with you this week, is that so?
[10:05] <njpatel> rodrigo_, yep, but he said that not everyone is available this early so I was going to wait a bit before pinging :)
[10:05] <rodrigo_> njpatel, yes, seems we're missing API, I'll ping him
[10:05] <njpatel> rodrigo_, do you normally meet on mumble or skype?
[10:06] <rodrigo_> njpatel, last week on normal phone, skype wasn't working
[10:07] <njpatel> okay, so let me know when you get him
[10:07] <rodrigo_> yes, pinging him now
[10:08] <API> hi, sorry
[10:08] <rodrigo_> Guest65892, hey API, you've changed your name :)
[10:08] <API> for any reason my nick
[10:08] <API> was Guest65892
[10:08] <rodrigo_> API, njpatel: so, shall we try skype?
[10:08] <Guest7356> ei
[10:09] <Guest7356> hmm
[10:09] <njpatel> rodrigo_, sure
[10:09] <rodrigo_> heh, what client are you using?
[10:09] <Guest7356> they changed again my name
[10:09] <Guest7356> xchat
[10:09] <Guest7356> but I always use it
[10:09] <Guest7356> policy change?
[10:09] <rodrigo_> hmm, maybe
[10:09] <njpatel> rodrigo_, njpatel83 is my nick
[10:09] <Guest7356> ah, someone already registered my nickname
[10:09] <Guest7356> -NickServ- This nickname is registered
[10:10] <Guest7356> well, I will use my email one
[10:10] <Guest7356> this GuestXXXX is confusing
[10:10] <rodrigo_> Guest7356, what's your id on skype?
[10:11] <apinheiro> rodrigo_, urgh, I didn't test skype since the last meeting
[10:11] <apinheiro> and it didn't worked that day
[10:11] <apinheiro> a mon
[10:11] <apinheiro> well, it seems that it is working
[10:13] <rodrigo_> cool
[10:14] <njpatel> so we want to start?
[10:15] <njpatel> apinheiro, what's your skype nick?
[10:15] <rodrigo_> njpatel, yes, waiting for API to connect to start the call
[10:15] <njpatel> ah, sorry, I thought he had
[10:15] <apinheiro> njpatel, igalia-corunha
[10:15] <apinheiro> Im connecting right now
[10:15] <njpatel> riight
[10:17] <rodrigo_> apinheiro, problems?
[10:18] <apinheiro> rodrigo_, hmm, no
[10:18] <apinheiro> you was the one cancellling the call ...
[10:18] <rodrigo_> me?
[10:18] <rodrigo_> I didn't get any notification
[10:18] <rodrigo_> and you show up as offline
[10:18] <apinheiro> well, could you try it again
[10:18] <apinheiro> ?
[10:18] <rodrigo_> calling you
[11:05] <TheMuso> ronoc: Just a heads up re my branch, thats not useful until Ted merges accessible description support into libindicator. Its still pending.
[11:05] <TheMuso> ronoc: thanks btw.
[11:06] <ronoc> TheMuso, no worries, I'll release with this on Thursday
[11:06] <ronoc> TheMuso, thank you for the patch :)
[11:06] <TheMuso> np
[11:20] <multiplatinum> hey guys
[11:20] <multiplatinum> just read jono bacon's post on helping out
[11:21] <multiplatinum> will i be able to change the selection color in unity?
[11:37] <multiplatinum> yo mpt
[11:38] <mpt> hi
[11:38] <multiplatinum> just read jono's post on helping out
[11:38] <multiplatinum> so i got a few questions
[11:38] <multiplatinum> will i be able to change the selection color in unity?
[11:42] <smspillaz> multiplatinum: which one are you talking about ?
[11:42] <multiplatinum> the orange hurts my eyes
[11:42] <multiplatinum> so I changed it to purple
[11:44] <smspillaz> ... which selection color though
[11:44] <smspillaz> that could mean a lot of things :)
[11:44] <multiplatinum> :S
[11:44] <multiplatinum> you know the orange color in 10.10?
[11:44] <multiplatinum> like when you hover stuff
[11:44] <smspillaz> ah right
[11:44] <smspillaz> multiplatinum: you'd have to check with visual design about that - I'd say ping chaotic or johnlea about that
[11:45] <multiplatinum> k
[11:45] <multiplatinum> next question then
[11:45] <multiplatinum> will the appmenu still suck?
[11:45] <smspillaz> multiplatinum: I didn't initially get what you were saying since I was running clearlooks to test some code
[11:45] <smspillaz> multiplatinum: depends on what you mean by "still suck" ?
[11:46] <multiplatinum> clearlooks is awesome imo, just too bright, but it feels faster and smoother than ambiance/radiance
[11:46] <smspillaz> *shrug* its just a theme
[11:47] <multiplatinum> only supporting gtk and qt (and gecko) and not even well, it flickers (like it constantly needs to refresh), it crashes a lot, making the app it took the menu from crash as well, etc
[11:47] <smspillaz> multiplatinum: clearlooks has definitions for gimp's toolbox windows borders to be slightly smaller than the other windows ... I needed to support that in compiz (which turned out to be a larger job than I thought)
[11:48] <multiplatinum> what u mean?
[11:48] <smspillaz> multiplatinum: appmenu is being worked on to support as much as possible, the flickering is some weird texture binding bug which we've got on the radar and will have sorted for natty, the crashers are probably because we had an API overhaul recently, let that settle
[11:49] <smspillaz> multiplatinum: I'll post a screenshot, sec
[11:49] <multiplatinum> k, but there's more
[11:49] <multiplatinum> if i apply the appmenu on pidgin
[11:49] <multiplatinum> then i don't get the slide-out menus when i hover an account from the Accounts option
[11:51] <smspillaz> multiplatinum: thats probably a bug which you should file :)
[11:51] <multiplatinum> k
[11:51] <multiplatinum> speaking of pidgn btw
[11:51] <smspillaz> multiplatinum: (or check if it has been filed I would assume it has)
[11:51] <multiplatinum> will empathy be more stable in 11.04? cuz i keep defaulting to pidgin
[11:52] <smspillaz> *shrug* I don't develop empathy or really have much to do with it so I couldn't tell you about stability
[11:52] <smspillaz> the entire team is working to make the whole thing rock-solid though
[11:52] <multiplatinum> k
[11:53] <smspillaz> I guess what I'm saying here is that I'm not going to overpromise and underdeliver, but rather that this *is* alpha code and with some time to nut out all the issues natty will be a rock-solid release
[11:53] <multiplatinum> oh yeah, no problem lol
[11:54] <multiplatinum> i meant 10.10 tho
[11:54] <smspillaz> multiplatinum: I don't know about 10.10
[11:54] <smspillaz> multiplatinum: (also, here is what I was talking about with gimp's utility windows http://smspillaz.ucc.asn.au/unity/screenshots/utility-windows-gtk-window-decorator.png)
[11:54] <multiplatinum> empathy in 10.10 crashed way too often on me, so im using pidgin
[11:54] <multiplatinum> k
[11:55] <multiplatinum> yeah they're smaller
[11:55] <smspillaz> getting it to support the square window decorations which are slightly smaller + the small text (/especially/ the small text) took me a while, heh
[11:55] <smspillaz> turns out the compiz decorator never really handled that case
[11:55] <multiplatinum> but gimp will be 1 window soon
[11:55] <smspillaz> multiplatinum: indeed. but I need support for different frame types for other things
[11:55] <multiplatinum> oh i see
[11:56] <multiplatinum> smspillaz,  do you find clearlooks to be smoother than ambiance btw?
[11:56] <smspillaz> multiplatinum: I'm on a fairly powerful system so I don't really notice any difference :)
[11:56] <multiplatinum> k xD
[11:57] <smspillaz> multiplatinum: the reason I needed to use clearlooks atm though is because ambiance and radiance don't have any examples of multiple frame types
[11:57] <multiplatinum> yh
[11:57]  * smspillaz usually uses radiance
[11:58] <multiplatinum> aifght
[11:58] <multiplatinum> aight*
[12:00] <multiplatinum> bbs
[12:22] <rodrigo_> njpatel, can you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/unity/panel-a11y/+merge/49387 ?
[12:22] <rodrigo_> or anyone else, please?
[12:31] <Kaleo> didrocks: thanks for uploading dee
[12:42] <didrocks> Kaleo: not yet done, but will do within the hour :)
[12:46] <Kaleo> didrocks: :)
[12:46] <Kaleo> do you guys know what's the deal with what I think is theming being broken in the latest builds of Natty?
[12:47] <Kaleo> (the indicators have icons that are not the right ones)
[12:47] <Kaleo> is there a bug report I should follow?
[12:49] <klattimer> does anyone know what the gsettings schema "type" for a string array is?
[12:52] <Kaleo> as?
[12:53] <klattimer> Kaleo: is that a guess?
[12:57] <Kaleo> klattimer: yes
[12:57] <Kaleo> klattimer: sorry
[12:57] <klattimer> :/
[12:57] <klattimer> would be nice if the types were documented
[13:00] <didrocks> klattimer: those are the gvariant types
[13:00] <didrocks> klattimer: look at unity, we are using an array string
[13:00] <klattimer> didrocks: thanks, I just found the docs
[13:00] <didrocks> /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/com.canonical.Unity.gschema.xml FYI :)
[13:01] <klattimer> Kaleo: for the record you were right ;)
[13:02] <Kaleo> klattimer: thanks :)
[13:02] <Kaleo> klattimer: I do Qt usually but sometimes I know a little bit here and there :)
[13:02] <klattimer> cool ;)
[13:21] <didrocks> Kaleo: heh, just saw that you used last week as in a Dee commit :p
[13:35] <didrocks> Kaleo: hum, the new dee, because of the dbus protocol, gives me empty places right now in unity
[13:35] <didrocks> Kaleo: so maybe better to wait for next unity upload. I can update dee in a ppa if needed for you
[13:41] <Kaleo> didrocks: I don't see why the dbus protocol changes would affect the places in Unity
[13:41] <Kaleo> didrocks: Unity uses the API directly
[13:41] <Kaleo> didrocks: did libdee ABI change? do you need a rebuild of Unity?
[13:42] <didrocks> Kaleo: that's weird, but I get empty places right now whereas it's working with previous version
[13:42] <didrocks> Kaleo: no, it didn't, I checked
[13:42] <Kaleo> didrocks: ok
[13:42] <Kaleo> dashua: maybe kamstrup or njpatel would know
[13:42] <Kaleo> dashua: sorry, wrong hl
[13:42] <didrocks> Kaleo: right, kamstrup wasn't sure about it and asked me to test
[13:42] <Kaleo> didrocks: that really is strange
[13:42] <didrocks> but he's not there (ill)
[13:42] <Kaleo> didrocks: yep
[13:43] <Kaleo> didrocks: if you can push it to the Unity 2D ppa for Natty that would be awesome
[13:43] <didrocks> Kaleo: but there are others issues with the places, and that's maybe I'm just triggering another bug now
[13:43] <Kaleo> didrocks: that is possible
[13:43] <didrocks> Kaleo: sure, can you give me a pointer to it?
[13:43] <didrocks> Kaleo: then, I'll upload it to Natty with the next release :)
[13:43] <Kaleo> https://launchpad.net/~unity-2d-team/+archive/unity-2d-daily
[13:44] <Kaleo> didrocks: what do you mean by next release?
[13:44] <didrocks> Kaleo: let me look if I can upload to it
[13:44] <didrocks> Kaleo: next unity release, when all pieces will come together (on Thursday)
[13:44] <Kaleo> ok
[13:44] <Kaleo> didrocks: I added you to the unity-2d-team
[13:44] <Kaleo> didrocks: lucky bunny!
[13:44] <didrocks> I'll be sure to not trigger accidentely to another bug :)
[13:44] <didrocks> Kaleo: oh, soooo lucky!
[13:45] <didrocks> :)
[13:45] <didrocks> thanks!
[13:45] <Kaleo> didrocks: do you know if unity 2D places are fixed with that package?
[13:45] <Kaleo> (I mean, did you try?)
[13:45] <Kaleo> didrocks: since libdee API has not changed it should just work (tm)
[13:45] <Kaleo> sorry, ABI I meant
[13:45] <didrocks> Kaleo: I didn't, but I can have a try later
[13:46] <Kaleo> didrocks: cool
[13:46] <njpatel> didrocks, what's up?
[13:46] <didrocks> njpatel: no worry for now, I'm uploading the new dee to the unity2d ppa
[13:47] <didrocks> njpatel: with unity trunk + new dee, I have empty places
[13:47] <didrocks> njpatel: not sure if it's due to the new dee or another bug
[13:47] <njpatel> ah
[13:47] <njpatel> interesting
[13:47] <njpatel> i'll try and check it out when I have some time
[13:48] <didrocks> njpatel: yeah, no hurry for now. I'm not sure it's due to the new dee or not, we'll figure out for the release :)
[13:48]  * Kaleo hopes he did not break dee
[13:55] <didrocks> Kaleo: your changes seemed rather safe
[14:18] <bcurtiswx> good morning kenvandine, did you get my review link last night?
[14:19] <kenvandine> hey, not yet
[14:19] <kenvandine> haven't gotten to merge mail yet :)
[14:22] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, OK.  Because on that build, i get the counts in gdb, but the launcher icon won't show it.. so maybe there's a problem with my code to get empathy.desktop concatenated correctly
[14:29] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, and of course on a unity --reset the number on the launcher icon works
[14:29] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i'll see if i can figure out why
[14:31]  * bcurtiswx bows down to kenvandine :)
[14:59] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ping
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley
[15:01] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, the counts work for me fine without a unity reset
[15:01] <kenvandine> so great :)
[15:01] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey - quick question:  I'm working on this Messaging Menu extension, and when items are selected in the menu, I'd like TB windows to get focus.  This happens sometimes, but other times, when my windows are trying to get focus, the TB icon wobbles in the Unity dock, but that's it.  So my question is:  under what conditions do icons wobble in the Unity dock?
[15:01] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, great
[15:01] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i'll review the patch soon, in a meeting now
[15:01]  * bcurtiswx beats his laptop up
[15:01] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, sounds good :)
[15:02] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, heh, i've seen issues like this before
[15:02] <chrisccoulson> tedg, ^^^
[15:02] <chrisccoulson> ted, do you know what m_conley needs to do here?
[15:02] <chrisccoulson> i guess it's something related to timestamps ;)
[15:03] <chrisccoulson> or kenvandine might know the answer to that too
[15:03] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hm... I'm not sure how timestamps come into play here.  I'm using chrome-level "window.focus()" business.  Not sure how to pump timestamps into that.  :/
[15:04] <kenvandine> yeah, that is the window manager getting in the way
[15:04] <kenvandine> focus stealing prevention
[15:04] <m_conley> kenvandine: so this is *desirable* behavior then?
[15:04] <m_conley> kenvandine: ie, there's not much I can do?
[15:04] <kenvandine> no, not imo
[15:04] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, not entirely. there are mechanisms to make it work, but i'm not sure how to do that here :/
[15:05] <kenvandine> there is a gtk present with timestamp, don't recall the exact function name off hand
[15:05] <kenvandine> but... to really ensure it is raised
[15:05] <kenvandine> look at the 31_really_raise_window.patch patch in the empathy package
[15:06] <chrisccoulson> gtk_window_present_with_time
[15:06] <rodrigo_> can I get a 2nd review of https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/unity/panel-a11y/+merge/49387 please?
[15:06] <chrisccoulson> but we can't use that from thunderbird :)
[15:06] <kenvandine> :/
[15:06] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: no, not easily.  :/
[15:06] <tedg> chrisccoulson, But you can do the same thing, it's just about using the timestamp in the X message instead of the current one.
[15:07] <tedg> chrisccoulson, Look at the GTK code, it's simpler than you think :)
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> tedg - the issue here is with how we focus the thunderbird window
[15:07] <tedg> Yeah, it's a fight with the Window manager.
[15:07] <tedg> It'll never be perfect.
[15:07] <tedg> But it's *better* with the timestamp.
[15:07] <kenvandine> tedg, we know how much you love this problem :)
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> m_conley is using window.focus() from JS, and it doesn't have any way of passing in a timestamp
[15:07] <tedg> This is a personal pet peeve with focus stealing prevention.
[15:08] <tedg> I haven't got the desktop guys to turn it off yet.
[15:08]  * m_conley nods
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> i guess the platform code in thunderbird adds in it's own timestamp based on the current time
[15:08] <kenvandine> oh, from inside of JS... eek
[15:08]  * tedg hears that the desktop team likes e-mail about how focus stealing prevention sucks.  Send them a few ;)
[15:08] <kenvandine> might require a patch to TB to make it use the timestamp
[15:09] <kenvandine> tedg, we ignore those :)
[15:09] <m_conley> kenvandine: ok, cool - I'll take a peek.
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, so, i just took a look at nsWindow::SetFocus
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> it's just doing gtk_window_present
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> perhaps we could extend nsIWidget to add a SetFocus method that takes a timestamp
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> but then, nsIWidget isn't scriptable :/
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> which would be a second problem ;)
[15:12] <chrisccoulson> but, to make this work even with a C extension, we'd need a way to set focus with a timestamp
[15:12] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hm...
[15:13] <chrisccoulson> so, i think the first step would be to see if we can extend nsIWidget :)
[15:13] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: alright, well, I think the first thing I'm going to do, is get familiar with nsIWidget, and nsWindow - it's two bits of the framework I haven't bumped into much yet
[15:14] <chrisccoulson> yeah, there's still plenty of bits i'm not familiar with ;)
[15:14] <m_conley> so I'll meander around in there a bit, and get back to you.  :)  Thank you all for your help!
[15:14] <chrisccoulson> nsWindow is part of the gtk specific part of the platform, and it implements nsIWidget
[15:14] <chrisccoulson> (which is basically just an encapsulation of native platform windows)
[15:15] <m_conley> I see.  And you want to add a new method to it that takes a timestamp parameter?
[15:15] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think so
[15:15] <chrisccoulson> i can't think of any other way to do it
[15:15] <chrisccoulson> it might be worth chatting to someone who works on it though
[15:16] <chrisccoulson> perhaps karlt, but i'm not too sure about that
[15:16] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: alright, I'll see what I can do.
[15:19] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hm...the Firefox folk might be a little resistant to framework changes at this point in their development cycle.  This one might have to wait...
[15:19] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's ok
[15:19] <chrisccoulson> we can live without it just for now
[15:20] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, is your extension using ctypes?
[15:20] <chrisccoulson> or are you building a binary component too?
[15:20] <chrisccoulson> if you're building a binary component, there is a way around it ;)
[15:21] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: no - it's very similar to your globalmenu-extension - it creates a service that lets me interact with the messaging menu, and send it indicators.
[15:21] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: what's the workaround?
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> from your DOM window, you can get the nsIXULWindow, and from that you can get the nsIWidget. from that, you can get the GdkWindow, and from that you can get a GtkWidget, which you can use to find the top level GtkWindow
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> and then call gtk_window_present_with_time manually on that ;)
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> that's quite a long way around it though ;)
[15:22] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: holy smokes, nice.  Yeah, that'd work.  We'd need to change that before merging into core - probably patch up the framework.
[15:23] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: but that'll do for now.  :)  Thank you!
[15:23] <chrisccoulson> nsIWidget::GetNativeData should give you the GdkWindow associated with that nsIWidget
[15:23] <chrisccoulson> i think :)
[16:19] <njpatel> jcastro, what's that really awesome screenshot tool that everyone uses now?
[16:19] <njpatel> i have it installed by I can't remember what it's called
[16:19] <njpatel> :)
[16:20] <jcastro> shutter
[16:20] <njpatel> thanks!
[16:21]  * njpatel really needs dash to start working again
[16:21]  * kenvandine does too
[16:21]  * kenvandine looks at njpatel
[16:21] <njpatel> it'll work this week, promise :)
[16:21] <kenvandine> yay
[16:21] <kenvandine> i'll turn off your email, don't worry :)
[16:22] <njpatel> heh, thanks :)
[16:22] <njpatel> hah
[16:23] <njpatel> that's awesome, the systray window hides behind
[16:23]  * njpatel goes to figure out whats going on
[16:24] <jcastro> njpatel: got some bitesizers to add?
[16:24] <jcastro> I got jason to add a few yesterday, but I'd like some before I do my next report
[16:24] <jcastro> something in the dash perhaps?
[16:24] <njpatel> when's your next report?
[16:24] <jcastro> today
[16:24] <njpatel> can do it that fast, sorry, I need to get this panel stuff done
[16:25] <jcastro> k
[16:25] <njpatel> will definitely have some tomorrow as I'm doing dash again
[16:25] <njpatel> sorry dude :/
[16:25] <jcastro> well, it's a living list, so whenevs
[16:25] <jcastro> which panel stuff? please say multimonitor
[16:25] <njpatel> shutter can't take a screenshot of the systray in unity
[16:25] <njpatel> that's funny
[16:25] <njpatel> in a sad way
[16:28] <njpatel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/660010
[16:28] <jcastro> ah, systray. :(
[16:29] <Daekdroom> Is ayatana responsible for appmenu?
[16:29] <jcastro> yeah
[16:29] <njpatel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/703067
[16:33] <njpatel> jcastro, added three/four new bitesizers
[16:33] <njpatel> will keep a lookout for more
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, is your messaging menu work hosted anywhere public btw?
[16:35] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: it's at https://launchpad.net/messagingmenu-extension/ right now.  The "first_go" branch is where most of the work is - I haven't taken a moment to merge it yet.
[16:35] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, excellent, thanks :)
[17:28] <lamlex> jcastro: we should talk about that stuff here :P
[17:28] <lamlex> was it not https://code.launchpad.net/~ruben-verweij/unity/fix-677594-workspaces/+merge/43280
[17:29] <jcastro> ah right
[17:29] <jcastro> cool
[17:29] <jcastro> let me send him a mail
[17:30] <jcastro> lamlex: ok so that's all set then? (other than merging the code I mean)
[17:30] <lamlex> looks like it
[17:48] <rodrigo_> njpatel, can I get a 2nd review of https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/unity/panel-a11y/+merge/49387 please?
[17:49] <njpatel> rodrigo_, bah, sorry, forgot to approve it
[17:50] <njpatel> rodrigo_, it's a +1 from me
[17:50] <rodrigo_> njpatel, ok
[17:50] <rodrigo_> njpatel, for merging, we still do it by hand, right? that is, no tartmac yet?
[17:51] <njpatel> right, by hand
[17:51] <njpatel> like the 80s
[17:51] <njpatel> lamlex, !
[17:51] <rodrigo_> :)
[17:51] <njpatel> tarmac?
[17:51] <njpatel> I meh branches to land the automatic
[17:52] <rodrigo_> njpatel, mark the branch as approved then, please :)
[17:52] <njpatel> done :)
[17:52] <rodrigo_> thanks
[17:55] <Daekdroom> Can anyone look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appmenu-gtk/+bug/718926 ?
[18:03] <rodrigo_> njpatel, and this one also please https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/unity/indicators-a11y/+merge/48943
[20:28] <bcurtiswx> just in time for a net split.. great..
[20:30] <kklimonda> yeah, freenode is under a ddos once again


[01:37] <nokdim> is it possible to setup an ubuntu box to use pam_radius and auth users but not need a local account or home directory?


[11:01] <studio-user340> Hi@all
[11:03] <studio-user340> I try to get my BOSS RC-300 audio interface to work...but after days tryiing to fix my problem, I almos give up.
[11:03] <studio-user340> Can somebody of you help me?
[11:03] <studio-user340> It's already listet in aplay -l
[11:04] <studio-user340> Karte 1: RC300 [RC-300], Gerät 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]   Sub-Geräte: 1/1   Sub-Gerät #0: subdevice #0
[11:06] <studio-user340> Is somebody her?
[11:06] <studio-user340> here?
[11:51] <kb> Hi guys. When I launch "Software" app it briefly appears, then disappears. It was giving a crash error, but now it does not.
[12:56] <[CoD]LaW22> hi
[12:57] <[CoD]LaW22> \list
[13:10] <stargrazer> Hi, anybody active currently?
[13:43] <stargrazer> My "software" app opens and then disappears. Used to give an error message, now it does not.
[13:43] <stargrazer> when I try to open it, that is
[13:46] <stargrazer> Oh!, now it opened fine! Some of the things I did "apt-get install software-center" to reinstall it, "apt-get update" followed by "apt-get dist-upgrade" followed by a reboot.
[13:46] <stargrazer> I think one of those fixed it.
[14:41] <OvenWerks> stargrazer: for what it's worth, I use synaptic for software installs or apt to install packages.
[15:10] <stargrazer> I've never used synaptic.
[15:10] <stargrazer> Will give it a try
[15:11] <stargrazer> I find I use apt more often as well. It just sucks having something that seems critical like a software store not work on a distro I'd like to fall in love with
[15:11] <OvenWerks> stargrazer: it is old, but it does tell you what packages are going to be installed and (more important) which packages need to be removed to make things work.
[15:12] <stargrazer> It's my first time trying ubuntustudio, and I love the packages that are included in it by default. I play music, but I'm yet to dwelve deeply into the world of software synthesizers and the like. Ubuntustudio seems like candyland
[20:15] <studio-user162> hi there! i am trying to recover grub with boot-repair tool. when I try to run it, it says I booted from UEFI so he needs a 100mb partition with boot flag. When I do that, it says now GPT detected, and that I need a BIOS - root partition... I dont know what to do...
[20:30] <sirix> studio-user162: take a look here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/423723/
[22:42] <bestofbillypaul> anyone know how to boot from usb using lubuntu?


[03:34] <mkanat> Does launchpad have any charting for bug-tracking?
[03:34] <mwhudson> no, groan
[03:34] <mwhudson> patches welcome
[03:34] <mwhudson> jml might be working on it
[03:34] <mkanat> Well, I was mostly going to mine somebody's mind as to how they were implemented, if they existed.
[03:36] <mkanat> It's quite a thorny area, really.
[08:48] <AnAnt> Hello
[09:06] <kblin> hi folks
[09:07] <AnAnt> I have removed tex-common_2.00 from a PPA, now, I try to upload it but it still gets rejected.
[09:08] <kblin> the main source tree of a project I otherwise host in launchpad is kept in git. is there any benefit of importing that git tree into launchpad if I want to continue using git as VCS anyway?
[09:08] <noodles775> AnAnt: you still need to bump the version - there is still a history of the previous publishing.
[09:08] <AnAnt> no other way ?
[10:24] <maxb> kblin: Some people find allowing people to post changes in bzr branches and use launchpad's merge proposal facility in a sort of semi-working fashion to be useful
[10:24] <maxb> This is however frustrated by launchpad only supporting imports from the git masters
[10:24] <maxb> * master branch
[11:43] <kblin> maxb: I see. probably not worth the possible extra confusuin
[11:43] <kblin> *confusion
[13:12] <sraps> HI! I need help on several things regarding launchpad
[13:17] <tsimpson> start by asking your questions :)
[13:17] <sraps> Thank you :)
[13:18] <sraps> Problem #1: we have several projects, which would be convenient to move under one "hat" project, how to do that?
[13:22] <tsimpson> hmm, I can't see a way to do that
[13:23] <tsimpson> sraps: I think you need a lp admin to set that up for you, you can ask at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[13:25] <wgrant> sraps: As tsimpson suggests, an admin can create a project group for you.
[13:28] <sraps> OK, I see - here goes next one...
[13:29] <sraps> How to set up project for translation if there is no supervising team for my language
[13:32] <sraps> I have tried to follow the guedelines, but the translation file just lies down in the import queue for couple of weeks without attention, after that it just dissapears...
[13:37] <tsimpson> I've never used the translations part of LP, so I don't know about it
[13:37] <noodles775> henninge: ^^^ :)
[13:39] <sraps> sad :(
[13:41] <sraps> I could create supervising team by myself, but I do not feel so strong to help other people in managing entire language
[13:51] <noodles775> sraps: It would be worth connecting with one of the LP translation people - henninge_ should be around at some point soon.
[13:52] <sraps> I see, thank you! Do you know the time?
[13:52] <dpm> sraps, what was your question? Perhaps I could give you a hand in the meantime
[13:54] <sraps> I tried to configure my projects for translations, but as I have figured out, there is no supervising translation team for my language (Latvian), so there is noone to check the pot files. They just lie down in import queue for couple of wheeks and then dissapear...
[13:55] <dpm> sraps, could you please point me out to the URL of your project in Launchpad?
[13:55] <sraps> for example (I have several) - https://launchpad.net/transport
[13:58] <dpm> sraps, looking at https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/transport/+imports I see that there is no POT template in the import queue. You will first have to upload a POT template before translations can be exposed in the web UI
[13:58] <dpm> sraps, it might be worth reading https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject/ImportingTemplates for more information
[13:59] <sraps> Have tried it for two or three times, it is there for some week or two, but then disappears without any action...
[14:01] <sraps> have read that, I am not sure if I have understood everything completely, but as to me it should be there until someone from translation team confirms it
[14:01] <sraps> but as there is no team, noone performs it... After some time system just drops it (?)
[14:03] <henninge> sraps: Hi!

[14:03] <sraps> hi
[14:03] <dpm> sraps, the POT templates need to be reviewed once before the first time they are imported. This is a one-off process, and it is performed by the Launchpad Translations administrators, not the language teams. I'd suggest uploading the POT template again and pinging henninge
[14:03] <dpm> hey henninge! :)
[14:04] <henninge> sraps: I see that you have a file called en_US.po in the queue for transport.
[14:04] <henninge> sraps: if that is supposed to be the template, it should be called something.pot
[14:05] <henninge> sraps: We only look at pot files during queue review and that would explain why your upload went unnoticed.
[14:05] <henninge> Hi dpm! ;)
[14:05] <henninge> sraps: I can rename it for you to, say, "transport.pot" and set it up as a template.
[14:06] <sraps> I do not remember exactly, but I have tried to import one named "*.pot" before, and again nothing happened
[14:06] <henninge> sraps: once the template has been imported, the translations can start.
[14:07] <rowinggolfer> sraps - are you going to volunteer for the supervising translation team ?
[14:07] <henninge> sraps: I am sorry to hear that, I don't know what might have happened
[14:07] <sraps> I am not so familiar with work in LP, but I can not see the problem if nothing just happens
[14:09] <henninge> sraps: please tell me, if the file that is currently in the queue for transport is your correct template. Then I will rename and approve it.
[14:09] <sraps> rowinggolfer: the proble is that I am not so familiar with LP and I do not know if I am able to do it...
[14:15] <sraps> I am sorry, had a IRC client crash...
[14:16] <rowinggolfer> sraps, do hang in there with the translations though... Launchpad is fanstatic for this.
[14:17] <rowinggolfer> and there seems to be a really good group of volunteer translators
[14:17] <sraps> Yes it is.
[14:18] <sraps> henninge: please do it, and tell mee if there is something wrong with it :)
[14:18] <sraps> as this is done asynchronous I am not able to check it by myself
[14:18] <rowinggolfer> sraps - where do you host the code for "transport"
[14:19] <henninge> sraps: the file looks good. Your are the author of the software, right?
[14:19] <henninge> rowinggolfer: it is on LP
[14:19] <sraps> henninge: yes
[14:19] <rowinggolfer> henninge, not for code hosting AFAICS
[14:19] <henninge> rowinggolfer: there are branches, though
[14:20] <rowinggolfer> ok.
[14:22] <henninge> sraps: if you host your source code on LP, you should go here https://edge.launchpad.net/transport/+edit and check "Code for this project is published in Bazaar branches on Launchpad" so everybody know about it.
[14:22] <henninge> *knows*
[14:23] <sraps> probably yes, I considered the option I have checked, because we do our development inhouse and push the code to bazaar from time to time
[14:23] <sraps> although it is "main" repository
[14:24] <sraps> We do all the dev by ourselves, and there are no external contributors by now
[14:25] <henninge> sraps: for it to be hosted free on launchpad, it needs to be open source, though. It does not matter if you accept outside contributions or not ;)
[14:26] <henninge> sraps: I approved the import, btw.
[14:26] <sraps> I try to set up our pojects step by step, in order not to create many mistekes
[14:26] <henninge> sraps: Now wait for the import cronscript to import it within the next hour or so.
[14:26] <sraps> thanks for the import
[14:26] <sraps> it is FOSS... GPL licensed
[14:27] <henninge> sraps: cool
[14:27] <henninge> I saw that ;)
[14:27] <henninge> sraps: were there other projects that you had tried to upload translations to?
[14:28] <sraps> no, I considered starting with the most simple one ;)
[14:29] <sraps> will try to get familiar with the surrondings, and then set others too ...
[14:29] <rowinggolfer> !question 91003
[14:29] <henninge> sraps: please remember to call the file "transport.pot" when you upload it again (for updates), that way it will be approved automatically within 30 min or so.
[14:29] <rowinggolfer> https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/91003
[14:30] <sraps> ok, I will note that, thank you
[14:31] <sraps> It would be great, if system would warn "not readers" like me, if we try to do something against rules
[14:47] <sraps> henninge: I see you have translated several strings to German, that's nice :)
[14:59] <henninge> sraps: what's "Driving Categories" referring to?
[15:00] <rowinggolfer> so has "launchpod" stopped?
[15:07] <jml> mwhudson, I'm working on it in my spare time.
[15:14] <sraps> henninge: "Driving Categories" - the same as "driving licence categories" this is name of table which holds all the options
[15:17] <rowinggolfer> who names the build machines at Launchpad? clearly someone with a sense of humour.
[15:17] <rowinggolfer> "nannyberry"
[15:19] <jpds> rowinggolfer: It's a fruit.
[15:20] <jpds> rowinggolfer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nannyberry
[15:20] <beuno> rowinggolfer, they name servers in themes
[15:20] <rockstar> beuno, are you home?
[15:20] <beuno> rockstar, yes  :)
[15:20] <rockstar> beuno, HOORAY!  :)
[15:21] <beuno> rockstar, hooray indeed. How's the last day of UDS?
[15:21] <rockstar> beuno, quiet so far.
[16:13] <vadi2> I can't assign a bug to ~turl. It says UnicodeDecodeError
[16:13] <vadi2> Think he has some spanish characters in his name
[16:16] <tsimpson> I think someone said it is fixed on edge
[16:18] <vadi2> Yes, thanks. I was able to assign him now
[16:18] <vadi2> Nice that the data is shared
[16:29] <sraps> henninge: had another question - how should I name and import translation template files for several separate modules developed under one project, in order to be able to get separate po files as the result?
[16:31] <henninge> sraps: usually these will have different translation domains. Use one pot file per translation domain and name the file like thatl "translationdomain1.pot, translationdomain2.pot, etc."
[16:31] <sraps> ok, I see... Thank you!
[16:31] <henninge> sraps: it is best to only use lower case letters and dashes (-) for the name,
[16:36] <sraps> henninge: I will include your translation in next distribution, thank you for your quick action :)
[16:37] <henninge> sraps: np, it was fun
[16:37] <sraps> yeas, the module is pretty straight forward...
[16:39] <sraps> I took a look at your LP profile, do you really know/use Esperanto?
[16:40] <henninge> sraps: I can read it much better than write, talk or listen ...
[16:42] <sraps> henninge: You are the first one, I have talked to, who knows one of those syntetic languages... I have always wondered  how people come to the idea of learnong one. Great!
[16:43] <henninge> sraps: The internet made it very easy to get material ...
[16:47] <henninge> sraps: you'll find a bunch of us here: ;-) https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-eo
[16:50] <sraps> henninge: I was thinking of learning another language... was not sure which to choose... :) Esperanto was not on top of my list, actually it was not on my list at all...
[18:01] <Flare183> How can I register a project to a team?
[18:04] <Flare183> How can I register a project to a certain team?
[18:05] <Flare183> nevermind I found it
[18:37] <bjsnider> why are ppa builds being put off for multiple hours?
[18:43] <maxb> bjsnider: Because there are so many of them
[18:43] <maxb> demand exceeds supply of available builders
[18:44] <maxb> Principally because the mozilla and chromium daily builds are currently using more than their fair share
[19:04] <bjsnider> well you tell them for me that i don't appreciate it
[19:27] <lifeless> maxb: We will be addressing this over the coming cycle
[19:29] <bjsnider> you will be addressing the ppa build times?
[19:32] <lifeless> bjsnider: what do you mean?
[19:37] <bjsnider> lifeless, i just thought you were responding to what that person had said to me regarding the mozilla/chromium builds and ppa build times
[19:37] <bjsnider> otherwise i'm sot sure what your last comment means
[19:38] <bjsnider> addressing what over the coming cycle?
[19:38] <lifeless> I was talking queue times
[19:38] <lifeless> we'd need faster individual machines to change build times
[19:38] <bjsnider> right, well that's what i was talking about
[19:38] <bjsnider> i'm talking about queue times
[19:38] <bjsnider> build time, queue time, whatever
[19:38] <lifeless> so yes. I don't mean 'no more queues', but they should get a bit better
[19:39] <bjsnider> they used to be very good untila  few months ago
[19:39] <bjsnider> then things started to get pushed back for many hours
[19:39] <lifeless> well there was a full Ubuntu archive rebuild
[19:39] <lifeless> that hammers everything
[19:39] <lifeless> for weeks
[19:40] <lifeless> bigjools: you rang?
[19:40] <bjsnider> what's that mean, you rebuilt old bsolete packages?
[19:41] <lifeless> yes to find out what ones no longer build because newer libraries that are meant to be compatible are not
[19:41] <lifeless> ditto gcc changes
[19:41] <bjsnider> is it still going on?
[19:42] <lifeless> I don't think there is one atm
[19:42] <lifeless> you can look at the builders page to see
[19:45] <maxb> Although rebuilds happen at low priority, (score=4) so they don't in practice have that much of an effect on normal PPA builds (other than making the overall queue time look huge)
[20:19] <maxb> james_w: Hi - regarding the binutils-avr UDD import - you responded in the thread, but the import doesn't seem to have occurred yet?
[22:22] <wgrant> maxb: Minor nitpick: rebuilds are -10, so they score below retried builds.
[22:23] <maxb> oh, they moved? I'm sure they used to be 4
[22:23] <wgrant> They were initially,
[22:23] <wgrant> But after the first test, they were shifted to -10.
[22:44]  * cody-somerville wonders if that bug he found the other day affects rebuilds too.
[22:55] <wgrant> cody-somerville: No.
[23:04] <cody-somerville> wgrant, because the ArchivePurpose is COPY?
[23:05] <wgrant> cody-somerville: Right, which bypasses the main code path.
[23:05]  * cody-somerville nods.
[23:06] <wgrant> There is a slight bug at the moment where langpacks always come first in the rebuild, but that's not much of a problem.


[09:59] <Unit193> bluesabre: ...You didn't include the patch in sn-plugin?
[10:56] <ninetls> Unit193: which patch?
[10:56] <ninetls> oh
[10:56] <ninetls> I understand
[10:56] <ninetls> anyway I'm going to release 0.2.0 soon
[11:01] <Unit193> Fantastic!  Wondered.
[11:16] <Unit193> flocculant: Also, I have no idea why it'd have been blue...
[11:16] <Unit193> Unfortunate that terminal uses a conf file over xfconf. >_>
[11:20] <bluesabre> bluesabre: I pulled from pkg-xfce :D
[11:21] <Unit193> Too early for bluesabre, and I noticed, I pushed there.  I debianized the Ubuntu package. :P
[11:25] <Unit193> (Patch fixes where eg, remmina icon is 1px. :P)
[11:25] <Unit193> But 0.2.0 will be out before we upload, likely..
[11:27] <bluesabre> Alrighty
[11:28] <Unit193> Hiiii.  Whacha doin' this morning?
[11:29] <bluesabre> Planning my day
[11:29] <bluesabre> We're house hunting, so trying to do some efficient route planning :)
[11:32] <Unit193> Ooh, good luck!
[12:23] <ninetls> Unit193: I'd like only wait until Skunnyk fix tx issues
[12:26] <Unit193> Nice.