[01:42] <Guest13971> does anyone know how to install gcc for kubuntu 15.02?
[01:43] <Guest13971> 15.04
[02:51] <Qwik> Does anyone know how to set up the /etc/grub.d/40_custom file for grub4dos?  Do new versions arive? Are bugs fixed?  :D
[09:07] <valorie> yes, I've been using kubuntu for many years
[09:08] <valorie> husband is hiking the Pacific Crest Trail, leaving me a widow for a half-year
[09:47] <omerraja> hello
[10:34] <voicu> !fastboot
[10:36] <voicu> does anyone know if ubuntu (or linux in general) has support for fastboot?
[10:52] <xennex81_> don't even know what it is ;-).
[11:15] <ahox> Hi, I have a rathe rannoying bug, my mouse emmits a left-buttn press (xev: ButtonPress event, serial 40, state 0x2000, button 1 whenever I stop moving the mouse.  :D
[13:05] <metallic> NSA = native speakers of Arab?
[13:06] <Graf_Westerholt> metallic, no, it is “network storage access”
[13:06] <BluesKaj> netrunner seems to be in china so he probly doesn't understand what this chat is about
[13:13] <xennex81_> it's about girls, and women, too.
[13:16] <xennex81> BluesKaj: I'm going to be installing Ubuntu Server 14.04.2 now with then kubuntu-desktop on top of it
[13:16] <xennex81> that was my original desire (with 14.10) but I have no feel for installing a distribution that will be supported for only 2 more months
[13:16] <xennex81> I'm not sure what the differences will be between this 14.10 and that 14.04.2
[13:17] <xennex81> It's a bit weird to mix server with desktop though....
[13:17] <xennex81> Maybe later on I'll go with 15.10 and hope that will work.
[13:18] <ejay> hi all
[13:18] <BluesKaj> xennex81, why not just install kubuntu 14.04.2 LTS ? why the server again? I've forgotten
[13:19] <xennex81> I just feel happy about the server ;-)
[13:20] <xennex81> and besides I'd have to burn another disk :S
[13:20] <xennex81> Gives me a more solid feel to it :-/
[13:20] <xennex81> Having a server installed, even though almost nothing remains of it, except the login message
[13:21] <xennex81> and a different installation environment
[13:21] <xennex81> I wanted to do the server install back in februari I believe on my laptop, but I couldn't get my wifi working and I didn't know about w3m and because of that couldn't get a http link going
[13:22] <xennex81> links and lynx weren't installed
[13:22] <xennex81> and how do you find a program that you don't know the name of?
[13:22] <xennex81> yes, you write a script that does "whatis" on every program in /usr/bin ;-)
[13:23] <xennex81> and then you scan the resulting list for "web browser" :P
[13:25] <xennex81> alright, time to get it going
[13:26] <xennex81> brb "be RIGHT back ;-)" let's see how long it takes :P
[13:26] <BluesKaj> uhm , look in the software center or install muon package manager to find installed apps
[13:26] <xennex81> it is 15:30 now
[13:26] <xennex81> yes but I had a Server install with only text-mode interface ;-)
[13:26] <xennex81> and I was trying to get kubuntu-desktop on it
[13:26] <xennex81> and I couldn't manage, or I would have done that for 14.10 months ago
[13:26] <xennex81> and would probably still have had my laptop, but that aside
[13:27] <xennex81> I broke it some time ago
[13:27] <xennex81> threw it to the floor
[13:27] <xennex81> in rage
[13:27] <xennex81> I guess
[13:27] <ejay> guys, got question. when can we expect new plasma update for kubuntu 15?
[13:27] <xennex81> and to clear my mind
[13:28] <xennex81> you mean to say ejay when will plasma 5.3 arrive in 15.04?
[13:28] <BluesKaj> in a week or 2, ejay plasma 5.3.1 i believe
[13:28] <xennex81> you are a nice person BluesKaj
[13:29] <ejay> BluesKaj thank you.
[13:29] <xennex81> and the only one who chats other than Valorie or perhaps soee_ or lordievader
[13:30] <BluesKaj> ejay, for 5.3 there's a ppa on launchpad
[13:30] <xennex81> okay going to reboot into the installer for server 15.04.2
[13:30] <xennex81> brb
[13:30] <BluesKaj> ejay, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[13:33] <ejay> BluesKaj: I rather stay with stable stuff. But, yeah, thanks for link. It's not like I really want to see whats new in plasma - just courious.
[13:33] <ejay> thanks for the link*
[13:34] <BluesKaj> ejay, actually installing plsama 5.3 made my install more stable than 5.2
[13:34] <BluesKaj> err plasma
[13:35] <ejay> BluesKaj: my installation is stable right now and I've got everything I need and I'm one of those "if it's working - don't change it" kind of person. ;)
[13:36] <BluesKaj> ok , ejay, understood
[13:37] <ejay> there is just one bug that's drive me crazy - this one with kate and dolphin when you are opening more then one file and I'm really looking forward to get rid of it, but beside this I'm cool with current version of plasma.
[13:43] <BluesKaj> ejay, there are bugs that should be fixed once plasma 4 apps are no longer required to run in plsama 5 environment, like dolphin
[13:43] <xennex81> my 14.04.2 Ubuntu Server image is broken, it tries to mount all sorts of devices to /media and keeps failing.
[13:44] <xennex81> very weird, I have no recourse but to just use Kubuntu 14.04.2  then
[13:46] <xennex81> what's the big difference between plasma 4 and 5 really?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> look and links mostly
[13:50] <xennex81> but if it is only a looks thing then surely they would not have crafted a completely new platform??
[13:53] <xennex81> sometimes I don't know why people do what they do anyway...
[13:54] <Tin_man> Hello all, i'm using kubuntu 9.4 on an old Compaq with 256MB memory, runs fairly good, but i've seemed to messed up my task bar, and don't know how to get my programs that I've got open to show on the task bar, I can still alt-tab to them, but there not on the bar, any idea how to get them back?
[13:56] <ejay>  xennex81 well they changed API to make everything cleaner and more powerful. Also - they are, probably, learning and a lot of things they found not as good as they thought they will be. And that's why they made new framework. This is my IMHO.
[13:57] <ejay> xennex81: ^ it's almost in english. Hope you will get what I mean. :P
[13:57] <xennex81> I mean I have a feel to it that the changes are good, I just don't know what they are. Scarcely anyone in FOSS really spends time really documenting and selling the system.
[13:57] <BluesKaj> xennex81, dunno what the underlying structure is tiplasma 5is vs plasma4 and I don't care to speculate, I'm just telling what I see on the surface.
[13:58] <xennex81> BluesKaj: burning my Kubuntu 14.04.2 disc now.... hope I can install that one. Multiple users on the interwebs had the same issue I had with Ubuntu Server 14.04.2
[13:58] <BluesKaj> err underlying structure is to plasma 5 vs plasma4
[13:59] <ejay> xennex81: if they changed whole (??) API and you can't spot any difference but better performance then they are doin' a good job.
[13:59] <sbivol> Tin_man: try to move the file /home/sergiu/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc to a backup location, then logout and login. it should help. please report back
[13:59] <sbivol> sorry, the file would be ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[13:59] <xennex81> I would love to read documents on architectural design but they are scarce to be had, I believe........
[14:00] <xennex81> BluesKaj: some solved it by disabling FDD and manually mounting the CD
[14:00] <xennex81> BBL
[14:01] <Tin_man> k
[14:02] <BluesKaj> ejay, the devs also dumped some of the more complex links like separate wallpapers for each desktop
[14:02] <BluesKaj> I heard a lot of talk about simplificatiion by the devs
[14:03] <ejay> BluesKaj: yeah, this and many other smaller things that we are got used to but I's prolly not as important as makeing this whole mess not explode while using it. ;)
[14:05] <Tin_man> viewing home but don't see an /sergiu folder and i've got view hidden on
[14:12] <Tin_man> no such file or directory in bash
[14:14] <Tin_man> okay looking kinda cooking and keep track here also sorry.
[14:23] <blyet> how do i disable the black bar sliding up when having the cursor at the bottom
[14:29] <sbivol> Tin_man: /home/sergiu would be my home folder, just look for some file called plasma-desktop-appletsrc in .kde/share/config/, which is hidden inside your Home folder
[14:42] <netrunner_> nash died
[14:45] <BluesKaj> netrunner_, do you have a kubuntu support question?
[15:06] <no-password> i just donwloaded and copied in the usb the KUBUNT LIVE SESSION to show it to a friends.. When i booted with it, on the loggin screen asks me for a password.. Blank password is not allowed..
[15:07] <no-password> how come there is this hindrance to linux-newbies like me?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> no-password, how did you copy the kubuntu image to the usb ?
[15:13] <no-password> with the Universal-USB-Installer-<IP_ADDRESS>
[15:13] <no-password> from windows 8.1
[15:13] <no-password> and i am trying to boot on a broken-ubuntu laptop
[15:59] <xennex81> heya
[15:59] <xennex81> BluesKaj: Ubuntu Server 14.04.2 wouldn't install, and Kubuntu 14.04.2 wouldn't boot after install
[15:59] <xennex81> seriously
[16:00] <xennex81> now I'm back in Kubuntu 14.10
[16:00] <xennex81> (How I hate the sound of the DVD running in the live session ;-))
[16:00] <xennex81> the live sessions ;-)
[16:03] <xennex81> now I'm back in 14.10.... that I've used for some time on my laptop
[16:03] <metallic> xennex81: you installed Kubuntu on your laptop?
[16:04] <xennex81> earlier
[16:04] <metallic> and it didn't boot?
[16:04] <xennex81> 14.04.2 that I just installed here on this computer would not boot
[16:04] <metallic> where did you place the bootloader?
[16:05] <xennex81> it kept stuck at a "Starting Reading ahead files. (For other mounts)"
[16:05] <xennex81> bootloader was fine, it just got stuck booting
[16:06] <metallic> mmm... Did you checked the partition(s) were large enough to host Kubuntu?
[16:06] <xennex81> of course, this current install uses the exact same partition setup, but it does boot
[16:06] <metallic> :/
[16:07] <xennex81> I'm a bit disappointed though, I wanted something new, and now I have the same old same old
[16:07] <metallic> Weird
[16:07] <xennex81> and I hope I don't run into the same issues
[16:07] <xennex81> and no support after 2 monhts
[16:07] <xennex81> months*
[16:08] <metallic> xennex81: the partition which host the root (/), did you formatted it?
[16:08] <metallic> during the installation process?
[16:09] <metallic> hosts*
[16:09] <xennex81> yes I am pretty sure I formatted it
[16:09] <metallic> ...
[16:09] <metallic> I am running out of ideas
[16:09] <xennex81> Ubuntu Server 14.04.2 also wouldn't boot during the installer, or rather, it would not advance due to a mount issue
[16:10] <xennex81> maybe this was a mount issue also
[16:10] <xennex81> beh, I wanted something new
[16:10] <BluesKaj> are you using / amd /home partitions, xennex81 ?
[16:10] <metallic> it certainly is odd
[16:11] <BluesKaj> amd=and
[16:11] <xennex81> yes But I wiped them both
[16:11] <BluesKaj> usually just installing to / works
[16:11] <xennex81> ooh nice Edgers gives access to the newest nVidia drivers
[16:12] <xennex81> I now have 50GB windows,  50GB free, LVM of 130GB with root swap and home, and another 230GB orso of free space at the end for data
[16:12] <metallic> every time I hear/read NVidia the image of Linus raising his second finger comes to my mind
[16:12] <xennex81> hehe
[16:12] <xennex81> Linus is a bad boy :P
[16:13] <metallic> wait, LVM?
[16:13] <metallic> What is that ?
[16:13] <xennex81> haha
[16:13] <xennex81> logical volume manager
[16:13] <xennex81> i always use it for linux partitions
[16:13] <xennex81> but it can't be a problem
[16:14] <xennex81> oh and there's a windows boot partition (windows is not installed at present) at the very beginning
[16:14] <xennex81> I'm not sure my partition setup doesn't have anything to do with it but it can also normally not be an issue
[16:16] <blyet> how do i disable the black space when moving the cursor over the edges
[16:16] <metallic> well, I use normal partitions on a drive with an msdos partition table and it works, xennex81
[16:16] <xennex81> you mean you have used 14.04.2?
[16:17] <metallic> Currently I have 3 Debian derived OSes
[16:17] <metallic> so... :/
[16:17] <xennex81> I mean particularly 14.04 point TWO
[16:17] <metallic> I have 14.something
[16:17] <metallic> wait
[16:17] <xennex81> not that I have tried to the others, but....
[16:18] <xennex81> blyet: do you mean in what Kubuntu version? 14.04? 14.10? 15.04?
[16:19] <xennex81> I just wanted a LTS version now since I don't like 15.04 so much, but I wanted a new version that I hadn't tried before
[16:19] <xennex81> a few hours ago I still had a test install of Ubuntu Server 14.10
[16:19] <xennex81> I liked that better than what I have now, but I wasn't going to go back to it
[16:19] <metallic> xennex81: I am using right now Kubuntu 14.04, Kinfocentre
[16:19] <xennex81> yes but I used an ISO of the .2 release, it could have been different in the installer
[16:19] <xennex81> in any case
[16:19] <xennex81> I had a loading screen
[16:19] <xennex81> no
[16:20] <xennex81> first my monitor went to standby
[16:20] <xennex81> on booting
[16:20] <xennex81> then after pressing esc, I got a screen with the list of started or starting services
[16:20] <xennex81> that list was populated with a lot of starting but also a lot of stopping
[16:20] <metallic> my ISO says 14.04.2
[16:20] <xennex81> e.g. starting whatever... and then after that.... stopping whatever
[16:20] <metallic> so right now I am using Kubuntu 14.04.2 :/
[16:20] <xennex81> almost everything that got started, also got stopped
[16:20] <xennex81> I considered that odd
[16:20] <xennex81> okay
[16:21] <xennex81> maybe it is correct, and I don't know enough about it, and that is my biggest problem with Kubuntu now
[16:21] <xennex81> I can't learn about it because everything has already been done for me
[16:21] <xennex81> in Ubuntu Server at least I had to figure out how to manually install all the needed packages and it was a lean system
[16:21] <xennex81> that was fun
[16:21] <xennex81> this isn't so
[16:21] <metallic> xennex81: I would say it has something to do with the LVM thingy, since I have done this process several times with different GNU/linux systems and never got such results
[16:22] <xennex81> LVM is automatically loaded / mapped by the kernel or the initrd
[16:22] <xennex81> I can't see why an older version (14.04) would have a problem with that
[16:22] <xennex81> and I also don't know what went wrong
[16:22] <xennex81> let me reboot in a sec, see if I see the same messages or not
[16:24] <BluesKaj> personally i don't see the point of lvm for home use if one has a 15G / and the remainder a /home partitions . one just needs to autoe=remove autoclean once in a while to prevent / from becoming full
[16:25] <xennex81> back
[16:25] <xennex81> definitely not seeing the same messages at all, I hardly see any boot messages in this 14.10 image
[16:25] <xennex81> I just get a text-mode interface
[16:26] <xennex81> text-mode splash screen
[16:26] <xennex81> If I press ESC I see very little in terms of messages
[16:26] <xennex81> so I can't compare, they changed that
[16:26] <xennex81> if there's no one here who knows about that, I don't know where to go
[16:27] <xennex81> I feel a bit handicapped in Linux because the graphical tools are not up to par with Windows and I have to do everything almost via the console
[16:27] <metallic> I am reading about LVM but... I don't think that is necessary for your purposes
[16:27] <BluesKaj> you are using the text install for a server edition are you not ?
[16:27] <xennex81> rI don't care
[16:28] <xennex81> I don't care*... erm... for the server yes
[16:28] <xennex81> but not for Kubuntu 14.04.2
[16:28] <xennex81> (I don't want to have a zillion partitions running around ;-))
[16:28] <xennex81> I already have 3 primary and 2 logical now
[16:28] <xennex81> plus 3 LVM inside the logical LVM
[16:29] <BluesKaj> nevermind I have no idea what you're talking abouit then ...sounds to me like you're just making it difficult for yourself
[16:29] <xennex81> BluesKaj: the text install for Ubuntu Server 14.04.2 had issues that were also prevalent on the internet, they were reported (mount issues)
[16:30] <xennex81> BluesKaj: but my current thing is.... that I installed 14.04.2 successfully (Kubuntu 14.04.2) and it would not get past booting
[16:31] <xennex81> which is just too bad, but I installed Kubuntu 14.10 now I am supposed to be happy with it for a while again ;-)
[16:34] <xennex81> BluesKaj: I first attempted Ubuntu Server install. Booting into the installer failed. I could select my languge, but nothing else. It kept stuck at a certain error message. "mounting ..... on /media". Many users experienced that problem apparently. After that, with no other recourse at that point, I installed Kubuntu 14.04.2. That worked, but the system wouldn't boot, or wouldn't boot in a normal way at least. So I had nothing to go for that. At that
[16:34] <xennex81> point I just bailed and installed 14.10 again
[16:35] <metallic> xennex81: my partition table http://pasteboard.co/HKMWZ3K.png
[16:35] <metallic> and I don't get "crazy"
[16:35] <metallic> as BluesKaj says, I think you are making it too difficult :/
[16:36] <xennex81> I just don't want extra partitions that are hard to move around or modify
[16:37] <xennex81> for swap etc
[16:37] <xennex81> LVM works fine in Linux, you just can't read it with Windows
[16:37] <xennex81> and it is more difficult to setup with the graphical installer (or, not at all)
[16:38] <xennex81> they just badly designed the Linux boot process that it fails on every error and often hangs on stuff that keeps waiting forever
[16:38] <metallic> I don't think you need to resize a partition too often either :/
[16:38] <xennex81> there is no overlaying process that supervises when something gets stuck
[16:38] <xennex81> depends on whether you have space enough ;-)
[16:39] <xennex81> I sometimes want to create another root fs and stuff like that
[16:39] <xennex81> but now it is just so that everything is neat
[16:39] <xennex81> and it works perfectly in Kubuntu 14.10, besides, it is also required for encryption etc.
[16:39] <xennex81> it's just what I like, not very difficult.
[16:42] <xennex81> hrm... how can I assign a shortcut key to an application (like dolphin)?
[16:42] <metallic> xennex81: you mean a shortcut to cause the application to launch?
[16:43] <metallic> there is something for that on the system settings
[16:45] <xennex81> okay works you have to get a custom shortcut operating from there
[16:45] <xennex81> I would expect it to be done in the application menu, first thought
[16:47] <xennex81> I like my Windows shortcuts :)
[16:49] <xennex81> I hope I can stick to this current setup I have before I start changing it again :(
[16:49] <xennex81> everything is a work in progress it seems
[16:49] <xennex81> the downside of using Linux, everything is shifty all the time
[16:50] <xennex81> my current setup doesn't feel very stable :( ....
[16:50] <xennex81> :S
[16:50] <xennex81> i mean
[16:51] <xennex81> oh well
[16:52] <xennex81> how can I do CD ripping in Linux? Last time I tried I could not find a KDE applicaiton
[16:52] <xennex81> except KSoundConvertor
[16:57] <xennex81> SoundKonverter it is
[17:27] <Mamarok> xennex81: default is k3b
[17:28] <Mamarok> and very easy to find, in the menu, just look for CD burning
[17:30] <xennex81> for ripping?
[17:31] <Mamarok> the same applications can be use for ripping and for burning
[17:33] <Mamarok> and even easier: mount the CD in Dolphin and copy to a folder, it will rip in the format you want
[17:41] <droftware> How to install kdelibs using sudo apt-get
[17:44] <xennex81> kdelibs-bin should already be installed
[17:44] <xennex81> droftware
[17:46] <droftware> xennex81: so I dont need any extra packages in order to start developing for KDE on kubuntu ?
[17:46] <xennex81> Mamarok: I am using SoundKonverter now, it has good options the quality of that Windows CD ripper for audiophiles.... what is its name?
[17:46] <xennex81> In order to compile stuff you may need kdelibs5-dev
[17:46] <Mamarok> don't know I haven't use Windows for music in over 16 years
[17:47] <xennex81> Exact Audio Copy
[17:47] <xennex81> droftware: for instance, to compile Calligra I needed a whole bunch of development packages
[17:48] <xennex81> droftware: but there was a meta package for that, that installed everything
[17:49] <Mamarok> droftware: depends on what development you are talking about, and which Kubuntu version
[17:50] <droftware> xennex81: I wanted to try out a few KDE programming examples given on their website,what all extra packages do I need to install
[17:51] <droftware> Mamarok: I am running Kubuntu Trusty Tahr
[17:52] <Mamarok> BTW,  released versions have numbers, not names :)
[17:52] <Mamarok> and you use 14.04, which is totally unfit for dervelopment, too old
[17:53] <droftware> Mamarok: Ok,but I just wanted to try out a few examples given on  - https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials
[17:55] <Mamarok> you should first decide wether you want to develop for plasma5, in that case you need to have Kubutnu 15.04, or if you want to do development for KDE4, then 14.04 could work, but you  would need the Kubuntu PPA and backports PPA to have at least a recent KDE release
[17:56] <Mamarok> droftware: if you want to go into KDE develoment anyway, go for plasm5, nobody develops for KDE4 anymore
[17:58] <xennex81> Mamarok: but trying out a few examples should be easy.
[17:59] <xennex81> I have not tried anything myself droftware, I bet you don't need much for a few simple examples.
[17:59] <Mamarok> xennex81: if it is just for trying, yes, but he should be aware that the versions will not be recent and therefor he can't submit anything
[18:00] <Mamarok> as patches and code needs to be submittetd with the most recent versions only
[18:00] <xennex81> that's fine I think, submitting or "contributing" comes later
[18:00] <xennex81> that's true (I read that! :P)
[18:00] <xennex81> let's not put the bar too high for anyone
[18:00] <xennex81> myself I want to develop Calligra
[18:00] <xennex81> I think I am going to be reading that document that was linked
[18:01] <Mamarok> the bar is not too high IMHO, it is astonigly low, comapred to other projects
[18:01] <xennex81> I was able to compile Calligra without issue on Kub 14.10
[18:01] <xennex81> what bar?
[18:02] <droftware> Mamarok: But how is developing for Plasma5 very different from developing for KDE4?
[18:02] <xennex81> I mean you shouldn't worry about development if you are currently using 14.04, it should be possible for anyone
[18:02] <Mamarok> droftware: different libraries
[18:02] <xennex81> every experience is beneficial
[18:02] <droftware> Mamarok: I am really confused as I am quite new
[18:02] <Mamarok> very different actually, especially different Qt version
[18:02] <xennex81> don't be, just go with what you like and if it doesn't work out, you'll find out that soon enough, don't worry
[18:03] <xennex81> you'll discover that soon enough
[18:03] <Mamarok> so if you want to do plasma5 developemnt, you need a Qt5 environment, that you can get with 15.04 only
[18:03] <xennex81> but then you'll be more experienced
[18:03] <xennex81> and ready for the next challenge
[18:04] <xennex81> if he is new (or she is new) just let him play along and be good at what he does, which is to experiment and to learn ;-).
[18:04] <xennex81> haha
[18:04] <xennex81> Mamarok: are you a developer?
[18:05] <Mamarok> I didn't say otherwise, but ever<y developer, even as beginner as they might be, should learn one basic stuff,k as in: being precise about what you want, what you work on, as versions is the basics to understanding each other
[18:05] <Mamarok> xennex81: no, I am not, but around long enough to understand enough
[18:05] <Mamarok> I know how to code, but I don't code
[18:06] <xennex81> yeah but you can't expect someone to have the end goal of finishing a product in sight when he just wants to learn a few things or try out a few things
[18:06] <xennex81> being on KDE 4 or 5 is not very important then
[18:06] <xennex81> you just wanna get it going, worry comes later ;-)
[18:06] <Mamarok> still, versions are important, to the extend if you try to compile with a wrong library version ti will not work at all, so let's be precise from the start
[18:06] <Mamarok> as coding is also about precision
[18:06] <xennex81> sure but this document is about KDE 4
[18:06] <Mamarok> not only
[18:07] <Mamarok> scroll down
[18:07] <xennex81> sigh....
[18:07] <xennex81> what does it matter
[18:07] <xennex81> relax
[18:07] <Mamarok> no worries, I am relaxed, I just try to avoid confusion, as imprecision leads to exactly that, and a lot of frustration, especially at the beginning
[18:08] <xennex81> not at all, if there are simple examples they should be simple to execute
[18:08] <xennex81> you don't have to do a university study just to do a simple example, jeez
[18:08] <Mamarok> I agtree, but if you try to compile plasma5 on KDE4 it will not work, ditto if you try to compile with a wrong library version
[18:09] <xennex81> well you find that out soon enough, but you don't even know what libs that user needed
[18:09] <droftware> Since yesterday I have been trying to build kdelibs but everytime some kind of error is popping up
[18:09] <xennex81> so don't run ahead of yourself
[18:09] <xennex81> okay
[18:09] <Mamarok> xennex81: precision  is not about zuniversity studies, it is about starting on the right food
[18:09] <xennex81> you mean: build against kdelibs?
[18:09] <Mamarok> foot* actually
[18:09] <droftware> no
[18:09] <droftware> building kdelibs itself
[18:09] <xennex81> you can't start out on the right foot, by goddammit ;-)
[18:09] <xennex81> okay but why do you want to build that?
[18:09] <Mamarok> droftware: and why do you want to build kdelibs?
[18:10] <xennex81> that doesn't sound like a simple example ;-)
[18:10] <Mamarok> xennex81: please watch your langauge, some wording is not allowed here
[18:10] <xennex81> i mean the wrong foot
[18:10] <xennex81> you can't start out on the wrong foot, sir
[18:10] <Mamarok> *sigh*...
[18:10] <droftware> since it was given that you to have the following software installed
[18:10] <xennex81> you're just pissing me off a bit
[18:10] <droftware> https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/First_program
[18:10] <Mamarok> xennex81: this is a support channel if you want to do random chitchat you should do that in #kubuntu-offtopic
[18:11] <Mamarok> xennex81: again: watch your language, please
[18:11] <droftware> and in the kde-devel ebook
[18:11] <xennex81> you mean you're not okay with someone being angry at you, I'm okay with that
[18:12] <xennex81> and this was not random chitchat, you are just frustrating someone
[18:12] <xennex81> droftware: you don't need to compile kdelibs to do that example, right?
[18:12] <Mamarok> droftware: that should be doable with your current settings, provide you have all basic source package, that is not "compiling kdelibs"
[18:13] <droftware> I thought that I have to build kdelibs before doing anything ..
[18:13] <Mamarok> of course you need the source pacakges, and the libraries required for it, that is explained in the KDE devel book as well
[18:13] <Mamarok> but you do not neecd to cimpile the libraries
[18:13] <Mamarok> sorry, my typing is not the best
[18:13] <xennex81> droftware: that would make it rather hard, wouldn't it ;-)
[18:14] <droftware> yes
[18:14] <droftware> the whole build process is giving me immense trouble
[18:14] <xennex81> so what is the error?
[18:14] <Mamarok> droftware: did you read this page: https://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Environment ?
[18:14] <droftware> yes
[18:14] <xennex81> and what gives the error?
[18:14] <droftware> i was reading
[18:14] <droftware> that and related pages
[18:14] <Mamarok> that is the starting point, as it sets a development environment
[18:14] <droftware> yes
[18:14] <droftware> I thought that I have to
[18:15] <Mamarok> once you have that, the "Hello, World-example should just work
[18:15] <droftware> yes
[18:15] <droftware> that was my plan
[18:15] <Mamarok> so read through that page, do all the suggested adjustments, then you can start coding
[18:15] <xennex81> so what was the error, droftware?
[18:16] <droftware> xennex81: During the build of kdelibs I got and " undefined reference to UDevQT::something ..."
[18:16] <xennex81> droftware: but did you just try to run the example you gave?
[18:16] <xennex81> droftware: using cmake, make, ?
[18:16] <Mamarok> don't try to compile kdelibs, that will lead you nowhere, if you just want to try
[18:16] <droftware> xennex81: Yes
[18:17] <xennex81> droftware: did it error?
[18:17] <droftware> xennex81: I have not tried that example
[18:17] <xennex81> okay
[18:17] <droftware> Mamarok: But that Build page is saying that I have to Build Kdelibs"
[18:18] <Mamarok> whcih one?
[18:19] <Mamarok> I don't see where on the configurations page it says you need to compile kdelibs
[18:19] <droftware> Mamarok: Ok I may have got that wrong
[18:20] <droftware> Mamarok: But in the book it is mentioned that you have to build KDE SC using a script kdesrc-build
[18:20] <droftware> Mamarok: in order to do any development,
[18:20] <Mamarok> ok, so problem solved? Don't try to compile basic libraires, as you don't have the right environment to compile those libraires, you would need a much never version
[18:21] <droftware> Mamarok: ok
[18:21] <Mamarok> no, you don't, certainly not, only if you want to do everything from scratch, but not for a basic example from a tutorial
[18:21] <droftware> Mamarok: ok,thanks
[18:22] <Mamarok> and you don't have to build KDE SC either with the kdesrc-build script, as that is a completely different task, not for basic tutorial examples
[18:22] <Mamarok> also: KDE SC = KDE Software Compilation =! kdesrc
[18:23] <droftware> Mamarok: But if I start developing for some KDE project say Kate do I have to build the KDESC
[18:24] <Mamarok> we can talk about this once you get there, so far you are not there yet :)
[18:24] <droftware> Mamarok: Yes,sorry ,,and thanks for you help
[18:24] <Mamarok> and read the sentence I wrot above, KDE SC =! kdesrc
[18:24] <droftware> yes
[18:24] <droftware> I know
[18:24] <droftware> KDE SC is not kdesrc
[18:25] <droftware> xennex81: Thanks for you help
[18:25] <xennex81> yo, yw
[18:25] <Mamarok> so no need to build kde SC to develop on Kate, the kdesrc script is something totally different
[18:25] <droftware> Mamarok: got it
[18:26] <xennex81> droftware: the Software Compilation is then a whole set of packages or applicaitons, you could never build that on your own so like that
[18:26] <Mamarok> droftware: also: if you want to go into Kate development, you will need a newer setup with Plasma5 and framworks, there is no more Kate development in KDE4
[18:26] <xennex81> but that is AGAIN something that comes at a later stage, Mamarok
[18:26] <Mamarok> so at some point you will ahve to update to Kubuntu 15.04 anyway
[18:26] <xennex81> jeez really
[18:27] <droftware> ok
[18:27] <Mamarok> xennex81: true, just to make this clear
[18:27] <xennex81> don't obfuscate the user with difficulties
[18:27] <Mamarok> xennex81: I don't, how on earth is upgrading your distribution a difficulty for a developer?
[18:27] <xennex81> but of course it is sensible to say that KDE4 is no longer being developed
[18:27] <Mamarok> somebody who wants to go into development should be able to handle that in an hour
[18:28] <Mamarok> less, actually
[18:28] <xennex81> jeez, come on
[18:28] <xennex81> stop with the muscle language please
[18:28] <Mamarok> xennex81: we talk about development, not users
[18:28] <xennex81> here is just a person who wants to do a certain thing
[18:28] <Mamarok> I am scaring nobody here
[18:28] <xennex81> yes, and you're not even a developer yourself, so bite it
[18:28] <xennex81> we're not supposed to be anyone and the user can do as he pleases, ok?
[18:28] <xennex81> jeez, come on
[18:29] <Mamarok> well, I know how to code, my dear, and I know about the current development cycles, and a few more things :)
[18:29] <xennex81> oh wow
[18:29] <xennex81> that must make you a superhuman
[18:29] <Mamarok> just because I don't code doesn't mean I can't talk about how to get into development
[18:29] <xennex81> or a very superior being
[18:29] <xennex81> at least
[18:29]  * Mamarok is a GSoC mentor
[18:29] <xennex81> right?
[18:29] <xennex81> so what?
[18:29] <xennex81> even more superhuman
[18:29] <xennex81> i must awe in abideness
[18:31] <Mamarok> xennex81: just stop pretending that development and code contribution is for beginners, or that upgrading a distro is difficult
[18:31] <xennex81> if you just helped instead of showing your muscle all the time, maybe it wouldn't leave the user in confusion
[18:31] <xennex81> I never said that
[18:31] <xennex81> and I never said that it was for beginners
[18:31] <Mamarok> xennex81: he wants to be a developer, so he should know how it works, that is not about showing muscles at all
[18:31] <xennex81> you are just trying to turn a newbie into a very advanced developer
[18:31] <Mamarok> absolutely not
[18:31] <xennex81> no, he doesn't want to be a developer, he wanted to try a few examples
[18:32] <xennex81> the status of "developer" was never mentioned by him
[18:32] <xennex81> he wants to develop, perhaps, but that is a different thing
[18:32] <Mamarok> it didn't read like this, especially not after the mail he sent to kde-devel
[18:32] <droftware> xennex81: I got what Mamarok was trying to say
[18:32] <xennex81> no one wants to be a "developer" here
[18:32] <xennex81> that doesn't matter, he is a new person here, treat him as one
[18:32] <xennex81> plEASE
[18:33] <Mamarok> droftware: that was you who sent that mail, wasn't it?
[18:33] <xennex81> it's like your spreading out job requirements for the high position
[18:33] <droftware> yes
[18:33] <xennex81> droftware: well that's good, droftware
[18:33] <Mamarok> xennex81: calm down, you do not know what we are talking about here, as you are obviuously not on the kde-devl mailing lsit, where droftware sent a request
[18:34] <xennex81> oh boy more superhuman status, now we need to be on kde-devel before we can say anything
[18:34] <Mamarok> xennex81: please calm down, really, you are making an elefant out of a fly
[18:34] <xennex81> no you're being a bit of an arrogant person here, I just have a problem with that in that sense of the word
[18:34] <xennex81> and this problem is that it shies away or shoos away new people
[18:35] <xennex81> because, as I said, it raises the bar too high for simple things
[18:35] <xennex81> you come into such a thing way by way, step by step
[18:35] <xennex81> you don't have to take care of the end steps right away
[18:35] <xennex81> so relax
[18:36] <xennex81> he (the user) can upgrade his installation when the time comes
[18:36] <xennex81> it's just much too tense this
[18:36] <Mamarok> droftware: sorry, do you still want an answer to your mail on the mailing list?
[18:36] <xennex81> i'm sorry, that's all I have to say
[18:37] <xennex81> btw, I just wanted to ask you what you develop in, (if it is C++)
[18:37] <droftware> Mamarok: Though I got your point but if someone answers or pin points my mistake maybe it will be helpful in the future
[18:37] <Mamarok> droftware: OK, I will answere th mail, then
[18:37] <xennex81> (I meant what development environment)
[18:37] <droftware> Mamarok: I know a little bit about linking and all
[18:38] <KaiserA> ok, I might have fucked up in the insall, but after to hous running KDE my system just starts laggin
[18:38] <xennex81> ((I need to get started on it some day myself))
[18:38] <KaiserA> Like I3 runs fine, it's just KDE, any ideas?
[18:38] <xennex81> KaiserA: is it the new version or an older one?
[18:38] <KaiserA> updaed he oder one
[18:39] <xennex81> KaiserA: so you're now in 15.04?
[18:39] <KaiserA> yes
[18:39] <droftware> Mamarok: I actually managed to build kdelibs just now(it was running the backgroud)
[18:39] <KaiserA> like when i don't use plasma 5 everything runs fine
[18:39] <xennex81> :) @droftware ;-)
[18:39] <xennex81> (KaiserA: I haven't heard yet about laggings in Plasma5, sorry)
[18:40] <KaiserA> I know someone else who has problems, I thught it would just fix itself with an udate, but nope
[18:40] <xennex81> There have been issues with pixmaps and memory leaks, and moving icons that would cause the plasma-desktop to slow down, but....
[18:40] <droftware> Mamarok: Maybe some dependencies were missing which I installed using sudo apt-get build-dep
[18:41] <droftware> xennex81:  :)
[18:41] <KaiserA> I supose it's memory leak because when I reload KDE it works fine
[18:41] <Mamarok> droftware: I preuse you tried to compile kdelibs from git master, and that is the main problem: your distribution version is too old for that, it lags behing by about a year on KDE development
[18:41] <KaiserA> it's just fter that two hour period it begins to die
[18:42] <Mamarok> I presume*
[18:42] <droftware> Mamarok: Yup,maybe
[18:42] <xennex81> (KaiserA: there is a thread on the forum and someone had a complete line of code to stop and restart all important programs/processes ;-). It would work to temporarily fix such things ;-))
[18:42] <Mamarok> droftware: so not a lack of dependencies, but simply the wrong KDE SC version
[18:42] <droftware> Mamarok: Sorry but I did not get your last point
[18:43] <KaiserA> could i just  an apt-remove kde and reintall it to see if it works?
[18:43] <xennex81> KaiserA: I had it myself in plasma4 on my laptop. Slowing down all the time, I had to log out and in to fix it (without knowing what else to do)
[18:44] <KaiserA> Yeah, doing the same works for me
[18:44] <xennex81> KaiserA: I doubt, but what else do you use? Maybe you could remote all configuration files from your home
[18:44] <KaiserA> I just ant to fix i on a permanent way
[18:44] <xennex81> I've had it myself and I couldn't get rid of it (kub 14.10)
[18:44] <xennex81> but now on this computer it doesn't happen
[18:44] <xennex81> i know it's horrible
[18:45] <xennex81> I have to get going though
[18:45] <xennex81> thanks for the chat everyone
[18:46] <KaiserA> ok, I'll try a reisntall when I get back, then name of the entire WM is just KDE, right?
[18:47] <Mamarok> droftware: I am answering your mail right now
[18:49] <xennex81> KaiserA: I don't know, I installed kde-plasma-desktop
[18:50] <xennex81> (from a base install of Ubuntu Server)
[18:54] <Mamarok> droftware: you should have mail
[18:55] <droftware> Mamarok: I got it just now
[18:55] <droftware> Mamarok: Thanks for your insight once again
[18:55] <Mamarok> droftware: you are welocme
[18:58] <xennex81> thank you for helping him Mamarok ;-). And sorry if I'm unpleasant at times ;-). My apologies.
[18:59] <Mamarok> xennex81: well, you were asked to behave, and you know the rules, so please don't let us go through that again
[18:59] <xennex81> oh and now I thought you would be nice ;-).
[19:03] <xennex81> I just ripped my first audio cd and converted the resulting filenames to a format I like using a script I just wrote ;-)
[19:03] <xennex81> but I used SoundKonvertor
[19:05] <xennex81> Konverter*
[19:43] <droftware> Mamarok: In your mail you mentioned that if I want to start KDE development I should learn about Plasma5 and some newer related frameworks , from where should I learn about these so that I am able to understand the development process of projects like kate,amarok etc
[19:44] <Mamarok> see the tutorials for Plasma5
[20:17] <Tin_man> sibivol, sorry to take so long getting back, but been busy today, i moved the file to a temp folder, deleted the orginal. But on mine there was no Plasma-desktop-appletsrc, just plasma-appletsrc, so i assumed that was the one.  When logged back in there was no taskbar, just a blank screen with the background picture, but got it to where i can use it.. This is just a test computer anyway, thanks for your help.
[23:29] <[Relic]> What am I missing?  I want to upgrade from 14.10 to 15.04 but muon doesn't show and upgrade available.
[23:33] <[Relic]> pt_check.py crashes
[23:33] <[Relic]> apt_check.py


[00:55] <LLStarks> hmm, here's a thought. how often do unity expo icons update?
[00:55] <LLStarks> i'm still getting the old chromium logo when searching.
[00:55] <LLStarks> new logo in the bar after launching
[03:20] <LLStarks> i think new scrollbars in classic mode is a nautilus killer.
[03:21] <LLStarks> i'm getting an infinite kill loop.
[06:25] <victory747> Hi, I'm having troubles with unity-2d, especially as there is no shutdown button and other notifiers on the top bar. Should I be running this out of the repos, or out of the ppa?
[06:26] <victory747> oh,I should mention I'm running natty
[07:24] <didrocks> good morning
[07:48] <coz_> good day all
[08:04] <MacSlow> hey folks
[08:56] <didrocks> kamstrup: yeah, here for some xapian help? :)
[08:58] <didrocks> seems I have hyphen issues as well :)
[08:59] <kamstrup> didrocks: hehe, right
[09:00] <didrocks> kamstrup: so, basically all is fine
[09:00] <didrocks> I create the XX associated to an "exec" tag
[09:00] <kamstrup> didrocks: xapian has some odd thing with hyphens - turns any word they're in into a Xapian::PhraseQuery making them match differnetly
[09:00] <didrocks> and exec=gnome-display-properties
[09:00] <didrocks> right
[09:00] <kamstrup> didrocks: the query string must be exec:gnome-display-properties
[09:00] <didrocks> so I guess that my request:
[09:01] <didrocks> yeah :)
[09:01] <didrocks> and I think it asks for:
[09:01] <didrocks> exec:gnome display properties
[09:01] <didrocks> (adding automatically AND between them)
[09:01] <didrocks> isn't it?
[09:01] <didrocks> I see that exec:gnomine works, so really a hyphen question :)
[09:02] <kamstrup> didrocks: I think that query may be transformed into "XXgnome display properties" <- note the quotes, this is a phrase query
[09:02] <kamstrup> didrocks: and phrase queries doesn't work with prefix matching
[09:03] <didrocks> kamstrup: so, do you think I must transform hypens by space in the indexer?
[09:03] <kamstrup> didrocks: oh wait, so you're saying that exec:gnome-display-properties still doesn't match even though it's the whole string?
[09:03] <didrocks> it works for exec:gnomine for instance
[09:03] <didrocks> it's a whole string, isn't it?
[09:04] <kamstrup> didrocks: one trick I use in the zg-fts extension is to transform any any of the chars in " -/" into a "_"
[09:04] <kamstrup> that seems to work well with prefix matching
[09:04] <didrocks> kamstrup: ok, I wanted to avoid that, but ok. I'll do that in both side (indexer and request)
[09:04] <kamstrup> oh, and for some reason prefix matching doesn't work with Capital letters either, so you must .lower() the string before indexing and querying
[09:05] <didrocks> oh ok, thanks for the notice! :)
[09:05] <didrocks> even if for command line, I don't think it's needed :)
[09:05] <kamstrup> yeah, believe me I spend a good while debugging that :-)
[09:05] <kamstrup> indeed
[09:05] <didrocks> kamstrup: so, on that prefix matching, as I have the whole command name
[09:05] <didrocks> kamstrup: I want exact string matching, not prefix
[09:05] <didrocks> like exec:gnomi -> nothing exec:gnomine -> YEAH!
[09:06] <kamstrup> didrocks: then create another set of QUERY_FLAGS for the query_parser and remove the prefix and partial flags from it
[09:07] <didrocks> kamstrup: ok, I'll have a look at that. but the hyphen issues and such are still there isn't it? it's not a prefix matching thing only?
[09:07]  * didrocks works on his netbook today :/
[09:08] <kamstrup> didrocks: prolly not - so I'll recommand transformaing your terms like lower().replace(" ", "_")
[09:08] <kamstrup> didrocks: for both index and query of course
[09:08] <didrocks> kamstrup: ok, will do that on both side :)
[09:08] <didrocks> sure
[09:08] <didrocks> I wanted to be smarter than that if there was a trick
[09:08] <didrocks> hence the fact I didn't do that yesterday
[09:08] <kamstrup> didrocks: oh, wait sorry, i meant replace("-", "_")
[09:08] <didrocks> yeah, got it :)
[09:08] <kamstrup> :-)
[09:09] <didrocks> kamstrup: so, I would say, apart from this (and activation), altf2 is nearly finished
[09:09] <didrocks> as for the activation, I'm waiting on njpatel :)
[09:09] <didrocks> thanks for your advise :)
[09:10] <kamstrup> didrocks: wow, that's awesome!
[09:10] <njpatel> yes ,yes, I'll do it today
[09:10] <njpatel> man, you platform guys are insistent
[09:11] <didrocks> njpatel: why? I didn't want to put any pressure on you dude
[09:11] <didrocks> I will have enough hard time to cook my graphic card this evening :/
[09:12] <njpatel> didrocks, I was joking dude, I missed the smiley :)
[09:12] <didrocks> oh ok :)
[09:13] <didrocks> grrr, can't look at bugmails on a 1024 pixels netbook. Will postpone that for tomorrow
[09:28] <njpatel> didrocks, is your laptop still in warranty?
[09:28] <njpatel> or you'll need to get a new one?
[09:28] <didrocks> njpatel: no, it has 3 years, so I'll need to get a new one
[09:28] <njpatel> ah :(
[09:28] <didrocks> yeah, really sucks :/
[12:40] <aruiz> kenvandine, I've done a new release with a few fixes
[14:21] <lamalex> didrocks, email?
[14:22] <didrocks> lamalex: do you have a shell access now?
[14:23] <lamalex> ha oh maybe i forgot we were blocked on that :p
[14:25] <lamalex> didrocks, yes
[14:25] <didrocks> lamalex: ok, awesome! :)
[14:32] <coz_> hey all
[14:34] <kenvandine> aruiz, including a fix for the bug i filed?
[14:35] <aruiz> kenvandine, yup
[14:35] <aruiz> kenvandine, it's a temporary fix, but it works
[14:35] <aruiz> :-)
[14:37] <kenvandine> great
[14:39] <apinheiro> njpatel, you here?
[14:40] <njpatel> apinheiro, hey
[14:41] <apinheiro> njpatel, I have two merge proposals waiting for review
[14:41] <apinheiro> https://code.launchpad.net/~apinheiro
[14:41] <kenvandine> aruiz, wow... huge improvement!
[14:41] <apinheiro> rodrigo is in holidays this week
[14:41] <aruiz> kenvandine, thanks!
[14:41] <apinheiro> but it would be good if someone review it
[14:41] <aruiz> kenvandine, I'm working on shortcuts now
[14:41] <kenvandine> aruiz, the submenus for New, Recent Documents,  etc are all there now... but clicking on anything doesn't work
[14:41] <apinheiro> as it also touchs non-a11y code
[14:41] <kenvandine> known issue?
[14:41] <aruiz> kenvandine, yes
[14:41] <kenvandine> ok
[14:41] <kenvandine> :)
[14:41] <apinheiro> njpatel, but not sure who poke about it
[14:41] <aruiz> kenvandine, Recent document is the one that doesn't work
[14:41] <kenvandine> aruiz, great work!
[14:41] <aruiz> the others should though
[14:41] <kenvandine> new didn't
[14:41] <aruiz> hu?
[14:42]  * aruiz checks
[14:42] <kenvandine> aruiz, nm
[14:42] <kenvandine> it does
[14:42] <apinheiro> njpatel, for the moment I have just "Unity Team" on the review request
[14:42] <kenvandine> i didn't expect it to replace the existing window
[14:42] <kenvandine> that is kind of weird
[14:42] <aruiz> kenvandine, yeah
[14:42] <aruiz> kenvandine, so, basically, executing a command is sending one string to a service inside openoffice
[14:43] <kenvandine> humm... how do you switch between them?
[14:43] <aruiz> so
[14:43] <kenvandine> oh, so this is also lo-menubar related :)
[14:43] <aruiz> should be
[14:43] <kenvandine> ok, i'll file a bug to make sure we address it
[14:44] <aruiz> yup
[14:45] <njpatel> apinheiro, when you've had a proposal up for some time with no one from the team looking
[14:45] <njpatel> apinheiro, you should just ping me and I can ask one of the guys to do it
[14:45] <njpatel> apinheiro, normally we deal witht hem ever one-two days
[14:46] <njpatel> but it doesn't always work out like that, of cours
[14:46] <apinheiro> njpatel, well, this is more or less what Im doing now, ;)
[14:46] <njpatel> right, I mean to say, your right :)
[14:46] <njpatel> gord, MacSlow could one of you please review apinheiro's pending branches?
[14:46] <apinheiro> yeah, just looking the bugzilla updates, a lot of activity these days
[14:47] <apinheiro> njpatel, thanks
[14:47] <njpatel> apinheiro, launchpad! ;)
[14:48] <apinheiro> njpatel, yeah sorry :P
[14:50] <MacSlow> gord, njpatel: I'm taking lp:~apinheiro/unity/launcher-icon-also-focused
[14:50] <MacSlow> gord, you can do the other... so it's evenly split load
[14:50] <apinheiro> MacSlow, take into account that this merge proposal depend of the other
[14:50] <apinheiro> I mean that I started with the fix-parent-blabla
[14:50] <apinheiro> and over it
[14:51] <apinheiro> I implemented the launcher-icon-blabla
[14:51] <MacSlow> apinheiro, this one launcher-icon-also-focused
[14:51] <MacSlow> apinheiro, ok
[14:51] <MacSlow> apinheiro, yeah it's clearly stated under "Prerequisite:"
[14:52] <MacSlow> apinheiro, gord, njpatel: oh Rodrigo is also on both of them
[14:52] <apinheiro> MacSlow, yeah, normally for all a11 things
[14:52] <njpatel> MacSlow, that's for the a11y stuff, one of us needs to checkt he actual unity code
[14:52] <apinheiro> a11y I mean
[14:52] <apinheiro> we reaview the other
[14:52] <apinheiro> but as this also modifies some non-a11y things
[14:52] <apinheiro> I ask for a second opinion
[14:53] <apinheiro> MacSlow, in the same way
[14:53] <apinheiro> rodrigo is in holidays
[14:53] <MacSlow> apinheiro, ok... just want to make sure we're not doing duplicate work here :)
[14:53] <MacSlow> apinheiro, I see
[14:53] <apinheiro> in fact, if you both gave an ok
[14:53] <apinheiro> probably I will ask dbarth to go on without waiting to rodrigo (next week)
[14:55] <gord> MacSlow, apinheiro - sorry was on a call, you still need me to check one?
[14:56] <MacSlow> gord, apinheiro: there's a small merge-conflict with the lp:~apinheiro/unity/fix-parent-child-hierarchy one in src/PlacesController.h
[14:56] <MacSlow> gord, np... I'll do both
[14:57] <MacSlow> gord, would be too much back and forth otherwise
[14:57] <gord> oh okay, have fun :)
[14:57] <apinheiro> MacSlow, odd
[14:58] <apinheiro> MacSlow, ok, I will update both and upload a new version
[14:58] <apinheiro> I will try to solve that merge proposal
[14:58] <apinheiro> probably the trunk has diverged too much
[14:58] <MacSlow> apinheiro, see comment on the fix-parent one
[14:58]  * apinheiro looking
[14:59] <apinheiro> MacSlow, well yes, this is one of the examples of "non-a11y" code that I needed to add
[15:00] <apinheiro> as I said I will update both branches, in order to solve the merge error
[15:00] <MacSlow> apinheiro, ping me when done
[15:00] <apinheiro> MacSlow, ok, thanks
[15:19] <apinheiro> MacSlow, done, sorry for the delay, just testing that things keep compiling and so on
[15:26] <MacSlow> apinheiro, ok... I'll switch back to the review of your two branchs
[15:28] <apinheiro> MacSlow, ok, thanks
[15:54] <MacSlow> apinheiro, njpatel: Alejandro's two branches are approved. All encountered issues solved... there was actually only one small one.
[15:55] <apinheiro> MacSlow, ok thanks
[15:55] <apinheiro> dbarth_, you here?
[15:55] <njpatel> MacSlow, excellent, thank you
[16:02] <apinheiro> njpatel, well, as dbarth_ is not available, should I merge both branches? after all rodrigo is not back until next week
[16:04] <njpatel> apinheiro, yes, please do
[16:04] <apinheiro> njpatel, ok
[16:11] <lamalex> didrocks, can I mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/710609 confirmed?
[16:12] <didrocks> lamalex: yes, please
[16:24] <apinheiro> didrocks, I have just fixed bugs 729165, 727908, 727133
[16:24] <apinheiro> should I update the milestone?
[16:25] <didrocks> apinheiro: yes please as well as set the unity upstream task as fix committed
[16:27] <apinheiro> didrocks, well, this "in progress" that report ubot5 is just for the "unity (Ubuntu)"
[16:27] <didrocks> Enfin, les pâtes thermiques contenant des particules métalliques (la plupart du temps de l'argent) en suspens dans d'autres composants. Du fait de la présence de métal, ces pâtes ont également une capacité électrique plus ou moins importante, ce qui peut poser problème si la pâte venait à entrer en contact avec des connexions.
[16:27] <apinheiro> on unity upstreams it is fixed
[16:27] <didrocks> apinheiro: ok, nice
[16:27] <didrocks> oupss, wrong copy/paste :)
[16:27] <apinheiro> didrocks, hmm, can I edit the milestone?
[16:27] <apinheiro> because I don't see the way to do that
[16:27] <dbarth> apinheiro: ping?
[16:28] <didrocks> apinheiro: not sure, if not, I'll do it, but later…
[16:28] <apinheiro> didrocks, ok
[16:28] <apinheiro> dbarth, pong?
[16:37] <LLStarks> didrocks, new scrollbars are crashing nautilus infinitely in classic mode.
[16:52] <didrocks> LLStarks: ask this to Cimi_
[16:53] <Cimi_> didrocks: GO TO BED
[16:53] <Cimi_> :)
[16:53] <didrocks> Cimi_: need to finish some stuff :)
[17:03] <ffkkfjg> hi
[17:04] <ffkkfjg> anyone there?
[17:08] <mterry> tedg, do you have ideas for how the preference for showing the clock in the menu bar or not should work on a technical level?
[17:34] <njpatel> mterry, tedg Alt+F, Alt+E et al being broken, is there a bug tracking progress of that?
[17:34] <mterry> njpatel, yeah, hold on
[17:34] <mterry> njpatel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-appmenu/+bug/663030
[17:35] <mterry> (assigned to you :))
[17:35] <njpatel> awesome
[17:35] <njpatel> I'm pretty sure I haven't broken anything
[17:35] <jcastro> https://code.launchpad.net/~thjaeger/unity/raise-maximized/+merge/52644
[17:35] <jcastro> new contributor!
[17:36] <tedg> mterry, I'd think we should just not have an IndicatorObjectEntry... I think we need to keep the .so loaded.
[17:36] <tedg> mterry, That way we can track the change in the key.
[17:36] <njpatel> wtf
[17:36] <mterry> tedg, sure, k
[17:36] <mterry> njpatel, ?
[17:37] <njpatel> mterry, so your saying the Alt+F is broken inside Unity, and that the stack is working?
[17:37] <mterry> njpatel, uh, weren't we talking about this just the other day?  it's the show-now-changed work
[17:37] <Daekdroom> Hm, am I supposed to not be able to use mouse scroll wheel in Dash?
[17:37] <njpatel> mterry, indicator-object is meant to be sending out "show-menu" when Alt+F (or friends) is activated
[17:37] <njpatel> mterry, no, show-me is different
[17:38] <njpatel> mterry, show-me means "I'd like my entry to be presented to the user", "show-menu" means "I'd like my entries menu to be presented"
[17:38] <njpatel> mterry, the former happens when you press Alt, the latter when you press alt+4
[17:38] <njpatel> alt+f, even
[17:39] <mterry> njpatel, sure, but I thought unity was going to take things from there (since it had mnemonic info) but upon reflection, you probably can't because you don't have focus at that point
[17:39] <mterry> njpatel, ok, so I still have to do the show-menu bits
[17:40] <njpatel> mterry, so, the thing is that show-me was added specifically so we could replicate the "show mnenomics on Alt press" behavious. Show-menu has been there for ages and just broke
[17:40] <njpatel> where just = a few months ago
[17:40] <njpatel> tedg, correct me if I'm wrong^
[17:41] <njpatel> and I don't think anything has changed in the panel service there
[17:41] <mterry> njpatel, oh really?  I never noticed it working, but may have just not tried
[17:41] <Daekdroom> and why does systray still exist in unity-2d?
[17:41] <njpatel> mterry, yes, I mean we shipped it working in maverick and it worked early in natty and then just stopped
[17:43] <tedg> njpatel, Correct, it did work.  I figured you hadn't implemented it in the unity-panel-service?
[17:43] <njpatel> tedg, I'm very, very sure I have, but let me see it again
[17:46] <njpatel> tedg, I've connected to INDICATOR_OBJECT_SIGNAL_MENU_SHOW, it doesn't get activated when I press Alt+Foo
[17:46]  * njpatel adds some printfs
[17:47] <njpatel> tedg, mterry nope, signal never get's called for me
[17:48] <mterry> I'm looking now
[17:49] <njpatel> yeah, it doesn't work in gnome-panel without unity either
[17:49] <dbarth> sorry for the noise, i've downgraded to a version of connamn that doesn't kill konversation anymore (or so i hope)
[17:53] <JohnLea> njpatel; do you know if Jason is going to be around today or tomorrow?
[17:55] <LLStarks> cimi_, you're that murrine guy, right?
[17:56] <magcius> Unity keeps freezing windows: I have to kill unity-panel-service like every 10 seconds
[17:56] <magcius> When I run unity through --advanced-debug it segfaults
[17:57] <Cimi_> LLStarks: also
[17:57] <Cimi_> LLStarks: I'm the lead developer for overlay-scrollbars
[17:57] <LLStarks> so yeah, how do i file a bug against a ppa? the ayatana mailing list?
[18:08] <dbarth_> aruiz: ping?
[18:10] <coz_> hey all
[18:14] <aruiz> dbarth_, pong
[18:21] <njpatel> JohnLea, he's unwell today hopefully will be back tomorrow
[20:36] <kklimonda> tedg: hey, is dbusmenu going to support menus that have items enabled/disabled dynamically like VirtualBox or Qt Creator in 11.04?
[20:57] <tedg> kklimonda, It should... does it not?
[20:58] <kklimonda> tedg: it doesn't
[20:59] <kklimonda> I think at least VirtualBox case has been reported
[21:00] <aruiz> kklimonda, then it's a bug on the Qt integration
[21:00] <aruiz> kklimonda, dbusmenu supports that perfectly :-)
[21:01] <tedg> kklimonda, Yeah, please make sure there's a bug filled.  Now that it's beyond feature freeze we're trying to get through them all :)
[21:03] <kklimonda> ok, will check and report :)
[21:10] <htorque_> kklimonda, bug 641209
[21:11] <kklimonda> htorque_: thanks, couldn't find it now :)
[21:15] <nmarques> kenvandine: ping, you around ?
[21:16] <nmarques> anyone can tell me how much 'required' glib patch is for Unity (60_wait-longer-for-threads-to-die.patch) ?
[21:19] <kenvandine> nmarques, hey
[21:19] <kenvandine> i can't say for sure, but i suspect it is a must have
[23:23] <Mr> hola!
[23:23] <Mr> Quick question. I've got a win 7 machine and I want to get rid of explorer and run Unity instead.
[23:24] <magcius> Mr, Unity is Linux only.
[23:24] <Mr> Where should I start looking for instructions?
[23:24] <Mr> yeah, but it's GNOME right?
[23:24] <magcius> It's compiz-based.
[23:24] <magcius> which means it needs X windows
[23:24] <Mr> Hmmm....
[23:24] <magcius> Windows doesn't have X
[23:24] <magcius> You need an X server, and a lot of libraries. The easiest way to do that is to use a proper Linux distribution.
[23:24] <RAOF> (Well, it kinda does, but that's not the point ☺)
[23:25] <magcius> RAOF, cygwin doesn't count :)
[23:25] <Daekdroom> and hell, Unity is still rather buggy in Linux
[23:25] <Mr> I've seen people run KDE ontop of vista
[23:25] <Daekdroom> I've seen people run Openbox.
[23:25] <magcius> Mr, that's because KDE is based on Qt, sort of.
[23:25] <Daekdroom> But that doesn't mean anything.
[23:25] <magcius> They're basically running KDE applications, but not running KWin
[23:26] <magcius> Either way, you can't replace explorer with Unity, or compiz, or metacity, or compiz.
[23:26] <magcius> er, "or mutter"
[23:26] <Mr> Well crappy.
[23:26] <magcius> That's how it works.
[23:26] <Mr> What CAN I replace explorer with?
[23:26] <Mr> Other than litestep >_>
[23:26] <magcius> Do you want to replace the shell part of explorer, or the file manager?
[23:27] <Mr> Mostly the shell :/
[23:27] <magcius> I use Directory Opus when I run Windows.
[23:27] <magcius> But that's a file manager.
[23:28] <magcius> unity keeps crashing for me anyway
[23:28] <Mr> Oh. It's commercial software isn't it?
[23:28] <magcius> Mr, Directory Opus? Yes.
[23:28] <magcius> I paid for it.
[23:28] <Mr> For shame.
[23:28] <magcius> It doesn't replace the shell part, just the file manager part.
[23:28] <Mr> I gathered >_> hahah
[23:28] <magcius> Paying for goods and services that I consider worthy, what a concept/
[23:29] <Mr> I have a netbook running ubuntu with unity, and I just love the shell so much
[23:29] <Mr> And I have nothing against paying for software you know. I'm just damn near broke :(
[23:29] <Mr> (That "for shame" was for the software being commercial, not for you paying for it >_<)
[23:33] <Mr> Well, maybe litestep got some of the more serious bugs fixed...


[00:17] <BenC> It's funny that there isn't even an ext4 filesystem yet...the fs and module are called ext4dev
[00:19] <lifeless> wow, that dude was nuts
[01:09] <wgrant> Wow.
[01:09] <wgrant> That was impressive.
[01:09] <wgrant> That jdong impersonation... wtf.
[15:44] <emma> w 30
[17:28] <BenC> cking: would you be interested in seeing if there's some way we can pass info to grub about whether a boot failed or not?
[17:28] <mjg59> BenC: You were looking for me on Friday?
[17:28] <BenC> cking: I was thinking of something like "grub goes to boot, set dirty boot flag, OS clears flag"
[17:29] <BenC> mjg59: yeah, in regards to uvesafb and if there's reason not to use it as opposed to vesafb?
[17:29] <mjg59> None that spring to mind
[17:30] <BenC> cking: and if grub comes up and that dirty flag is still set, default to last-good-boot entry
[17:34] <BenC> mjg59: I guess the main question is...could it be used as the default? (I have v86d packaged and ready to upload)
[17:34] <mjg59> Default? I wouldn't encourage it
[17:34] <mjg59> Using it instead of vesafb should be entirely safe, though
[17:36] <BenC> That's good...at least then we can ditch the modular vesafb patches
[17:50] <cking> BenC: I will put it on my grub "to do list".
[19:23] <BenC> rtg, pgraner, smb: New abi-check script in git...check the git-log for description
[19:23] <BenC> I think you guys will like it
[19:23]  * BenC says goodbye to diff based abi checks
[19:23] <zul> BenC: is there a flavours git repo open yet?
[19:24] <pgraner> BenC: rock on....
[19:24]  * pgraner runs to pull the latest
[19:27] <BenC> pgraner: I can easily add per module whitelist/blacklist now
[19:28] <pgraner> BenC: nice...
[19:28] <BenC> pgraner: so if we only want to fail(aka abi-bump) only for certain portions, we can
[19:32] <pgraner> BenC: would be nice to get folks like vmware to give us the list of symbols they are using
[19:42] <BenC> brb, rebooting
[19:56] <kirkland> rtg: hey, i'm doing most of my ecryptfs work against intrepid
[19:56] <kirkland> rtg: this fix is already in 2.6.26
[19:57] <kirkland> rtg: but there's a corner case where this problem can cause data loss on an ecryptfs mount in Hardy
[20:01] <rtg> kirkland: data loss == bad
[20:01] <kirkland> rtg: right, so the test case looks like this....
[20:01] <kirkland> rtg: mount an encryptfs dir, any kind, any key, any algorithm
[20:02] <kirkland> rtg: write some data at least 8KB (looks to need to be 1-2 pages)
[20:02] <kirkland> rtg: *don't* read that data
[20:02] <kirkland> rtg: unmount the dir
[20:02] <kirkland> rtg: re-mount, and append some data to it
[20:02] <kirkland> rtg: then try to read
[20:02] <kirkland> rtg: that file has gone boom
[20:03] <kirkland> rtg: fixed by this patch, you can probably see how
[20:03] <rtg> kirkland: seems clear enough. is there an LP report open against Hardy for this?
[20:03] <kirkland> rtg: nope; want me to open one?
[20:03] <rtg> kirkland: that would be nice. thanks.
[20:14] <BenC> rtg: Oh, and the new ABI checker will _always_ fail if one of the ABI files is missing :)
[20:14] <kirkland> rtg: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/242448
[20:14] <BenC> we really have no excuse to not have ABI's in the tree anymore (no post hppa and ia64)
[20:15] <rtg> kirkland: cherry picked 2.6.26-rc7 has some conflicts, but I see its also in 2.6.25 stable. I'll work on getting it backported. Since I use ecryptfs, I am quite interested :)
[20:16] <kirkland> rtg: thanks ;-)  I thought you might help advocate this
[20:16] <kirkland> rtg: on the flip side, i'm interested in learning some of your processes on the kernel side
[20:16] <kirkland> rtg: so if there's more I can do to help, or more I can learn, please keep me posted
[20:17] <rtg> BenC: did your script check for missing ABI files if 'ignore' exists?
[20:17] <kirkland> rtg: I set the importance to "Medium" and targeted it for 8.04.2
[20:17] <rtg> BenC: does it matter?
[20:17] <rtg> kirkland: that works. I'll write the SRU justification in a bit.
[20:17] <kirkland> rtg: thx
[20:22] <BenC> rtg: considering we shouldn't uploading without ABI files (now that we are doing to 2x2 flavours), it fails now when an ABI file is missing, even if ignore exists
[20:22] <BenC> I actually should just remove the blanket ignores
[20:23] <BenC> they aren't terribly useful either
[20:23] <rtg> BenC: they're pretty handy when you have an FTBS for only one arch.
[20:23] <BenC> rtg: even in that case, we have better ways to recover than blanket ignores
[20:24] <rtg> BenC: like a locally built ABI set?
[20:24] <BenC> rtg: well, more like forcing the checker to use the right previous ABI
[20:25] <BenC> e.g. if 3.5 exists, and you upload 4.6, and it fails to build
[20:25] <BenC> the checker should be comparing 3.5 and 4.7 on the next upload
[20:25] <BenC> not just ignoring the ABI all together
[20:26] <rtg> BenC: hmm, I was thinking of the case when you've just had an ABI bump, but one arch FTBS's.
[20:26] <BenC> isn't that what I described?
[20:26]  * BenC checks his example
[20:26] <rtg> BenC: when you've had an ABI bump, what use is comparing the ABI files from the previous ABI version? Only the modules check makes sense.
[20:26] <BenC> Yeah, so if you upload 4.6, which contains the 3.5 ABI, and amd64 fails, the 4.7 upload should still compare with 3.5
[20:27] <BenC> rtg: to track things
[20:27] <rtg> BenC: so, the tracking new.
[20:27] <BenC> the ABI files should exist and be checked...and in all cases show up in the build (the comparison)
[20:27] <rtg> s/tracking/tracking is/
[20:28] <BenC> rtg: right, we need to retain history on what/why the ABI bumped
[20:28] <rtg> BenC: ok, well that makes more sense.
[20:28] <BenC> rtg: so now, even if the result of the check is ignored, the check is still performed and results shown in the build (before, on ignore, the check didn't run at all)
[20:29] <BenC> Sorry, my explanation of the importance of that feature was a little slim on the first try :)
[20:30] <rtg> BenC: of what use is this information? Just to keep track of why ABI checks are failing?
[20:31] <rtg> or rather, why ABI bumps are being forced upon us?
[20:31] <BenC> right
[21:25] <pwnguin> I see greg k-h is at it again...
[21:49] <BenC> pwnguin: ?
[21:54] <BenC> brb, need to crash my laptop
[22:09] <pwnguin> BeC, he's got a petition to nobody that people are signing
[22:30] <BenC> pwnguin: hey...what were you referring to with greg k-h?
[22:32] <SEJeff> BenC, Probably the Position statement on closed source kernel drivers greg released
[22:33] <BenC> SEJeff: where's that at?
[22:33] <SEJeff> Just a sec, it was on lwn this morning
[22:33] <SEJeff> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Kernel_Driver_Statement
[22:35] <BenC> I notice Linus's name is not on the list
[22:35] <SEJeff> http://lwn.net/Articles/287056/#Comments Read through those
[22:35] <SEJeff> It isn't an overall thing. It is gregkh doing what he does best
[22:36] <SEJeff> Try to put his views onto other people
[22:39] <mkrufky> ...pasting 4 lines:
[22:39] <mkrufky> Oh, one further thing, you will note that Linus's name is not on this statement.  He said that he does not sign public statements like this, but in the email thread about it, he did say to one kernel developer who was thinking that closed source drivers are ok, "Binary drivers really _are_ bad for us. No untruths."
[22:39] <mkrufky> ok, so it was 1 line :-P
[23:11] <BenC> Oh, I don't disagree with the premise at all
[23:12] <BenC> I disagree that proprietary drivers are suddenly more of a problem now than they were a few years ago, or even one year ago
[23:13] <doko> BenC: is gcc-4.2 still needed to build the kernel in intrepid?
[23:14] <BenC> doko: not for our primary linux...if it's needed for linux-ports, the port maintainers will have to fix it up
[23:15] <doko> BenC: who are the port maintainers for these archs (powerpc, hppa?)?
[23:19] <pwnguin> BenC: well, I don't like closed binaries, but the license is fairly clear that there are exceptions
[23:20] <mjg59> pwnguin: It is?
[23:26] <pwnguin> hmm. i thought I had read it in the COPYING, but theres only the obvious note that the syscall API is not grounds for derived works, but clearly I was wrong. all I can find is a thread where torvalds mentions the limits of derived works might not be as clear cut as "modules are derived works"
[23:27] <mjg59> pwnguin: Right, which is almost certainly true
[23:27] <mjg59> But given that it's almost impossible to write a Linux kernel module without including chunks of GPLed code (in the form of macros and inline functions)...
[23:30] <pwnguin> ah, thread went on to declare that even the syscalls were some form of linking / derived work, at which point torvalds broke out estoppel that I do recall
[23:48] <BenC> mjg59: I honestly think the kernel devs screwed themselves when they created EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL()...it infers that other exported symbols are open to use
[23:49] <mjg59> BenC: The stated policy has alwaysbeen clear
[23:49] <mjg59> Which was "Consult a lawyer before you make decisions based on there being a difference here"
[23:50] <BenC> mjg59: years of no-action hasn't helped either...as in, they've taken no action against companies creating or providing closed source drivers in source or binary form
[23:51] <mjg59> BenC: My recollection is that there's a reason l-r-m is distributed in the way it is now :)
[23:51] <BenC> source form obviously can't be attacked legally (#include <linux/module.h> isn't copyright infringement)
[23:52] <BenC> mjg59: I don't see how it helps though...just the .o's are still binary, and the non-GPL wrapper's are still compiled with GPL macros and inline's embeded
[23:53] <BenC> even if it isn't linked to the binary blob
[23:53] <mjg59> BenC: Well, it was apparently enough of a difference to remove the immediate problem
[23:53] <BenC> and vmware is distributing binary modules (linked and ready to run) for all of their vm products
[23:55] <BenC> I guess I'm just frustrated at the indifference of it all...they're bad, yes...can copyright owners sue distributors of binaries compiled against their linux kernel headers? probably...will they? probably not, because then you can't be selective
[23:56] <pwnguin> i think l-r-m gets a pass since technically the user is the one doing the linking?
[23:57] <pwnguin> at any rate, I think effort is better spent improving nouveau than suing nvidia or users :)
[23:57] <BenC> or signing meaningless redundant public statements :)
[23:58] <mjg59> BenC: You're pretty free to be selective
[23:58] <pwnguin> So is drm2 anticipated to stabilize in time for intrepid?
[23:58] <mjg59> I suspect that to an extent the concern is losing a case
[23:59] <BenC> mjg59: as in if they tried to sue and lost, it was set precedent for other vendors?
[23:59] <mjg59> Yeah


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[21:30] <slangasek> ginggs: empirically: no, it won't
[21:31] <slangasek> ginggs: oops, I spoke too soon - just hit the failure
[21:31] <slangasek> so yes
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[21:48] <slangasek> ginggs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pFqprbDRCq/
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[22:41] <mwhudson> a SIGBUS in something called DOUBLE_setitem, what are the chances
[22:49] <slangasek> even better, it's C templating code ;P
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[15:27] <s9iper1>  how to get root access to  system  which command is run in terminal ??
[15:42] <hggdh> sudo
[15:48] <s9iper1> hggdh yes i get it on wiki page can you install xampp sever on ubuntu i have searched in google but no site is help full i dont know why i guess i can not get the wiki page..
[18:28] <s9iper1> anybody help me in installing the xampp server in ubuntu ?
[19:16] <donsiuch> I have a question for anyone that has committed a bug fix... following Ubuntu's guide. My question is in regards to building a test package with my change
[19:20] <donsiuch> the guide says to enter these commands: $ bzr builddeb -- -S -us -uc
[19:20] <donsiuch> $ pbuilder-dist <release> build ../<package>_<version>.dsc
[19:21] <donsiuch> I get an error on the second, particularly <release> ... what is the <release>? im assuming that is not one of the generated files
[23:35] <penguin42> we really do need a field for 'best bug titles': bug 1030403
[23:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1030403 in oxygen-icons ""Network connected" icon looks like a punk with a mullet wearing a hat" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1030403


[06:54] <Unit193> Hello!  Could someone sync gcalcli from Debian experimental?
[07:30] <Noskcaj> Unit193, Why do you ask here rather than running requestsync?
[07:30] <Unit193> Because 1. IRC is so much better, and 2. It won't pick it up yet.
[07:32] <Noskcaj> ok
[08:03] <dholbach> good morning