[06:14] <mborzecki> morning
[07:32] <zyga> good morning
[07:39] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[07:39] <zyga> good morning :)
[07:39] <zyga> I'm staying away from the office till spring
[07:46] <liuxg1> hi, did anyone make the bluetooth working on ubuntu core, raspberry pi3b+ board? I have a problem in getting it working
[07:46] <zyga> I have that board but I've never tried using BT yet
[07:48] <liuxg1> zyga, thanks for your reply. https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1674509 this seems the bug. I tried to power on it, however, after reboot, the setting is going.
[07:48] <mup> Bug #1674509: Unable to find bluetooth device on RPi3 running Ubuntu Core 16 <snapd-interface> <Snappy:Confirmed> <linux-raspi2 (Ubuntu):Invalid by p-pisati> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674509>
[07:49] <zyga> seems like that bug is well under way
[07:49] <liuxg1> I used the steps described in the link https://docs.ubuntu.com/core/en/stacks/bluetooth/bluez/docs/reference/pairing/introduction. I used to connect it with bluetooth long long time ago. I do not know why it was broken.
[07:50] <mborzecki> maybe something bluez related
[07:50] <liuxg1> zyga, are you able to pair a bluetooth device using your device? yes, it is related to the bluez.
[07:51] <zyga> as I said I have never tried
[07:51] <zyga> the device is on a shelf now, I'm powering them down to avoid cable mess and power drain when unused
[07:52] <mborzecki> liuxg1: can you run bluetootctl devices? is the paired device listed there?
[07:52] <liuxg1> I see. when you are free, would you please have a try if it is OK with you. I need to use the bluetooth to connect a device. thanks
[07:52] <liuxg1> mborzecki, there is nothing there.
[07:53] <mborzecki> liuxg1: and bluetootctl list?
[07:53] <liuxg1> I have to run this command: sudo /snap/bin/hciattach /dev/ttyAMA0 bcm43xx 921600 noflow - to see something there.
[07:54] <liuxg1> otherwise, there is no controller for it.
[07:58] <liuxg1> also, it seems that I have to install the bluez in --devmode to get it working.
[08:00] <mborzecki> intersting, looking at some rspi3 block diagrams, bt contoller is indeed wired over uart
[08:00] <mborzecki> liuxg1: anything related to apparmor in dmesg?
[08:01] <pstolowski> mornings
[08:02] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey, while you're here got some questions about pre and post refresh hooks, figured you might know :)
[08:04] <mborzecki> pstolowski: pre refresh runs before the previous revision has been disabled, so the services will be up at this point?
[08:04] <liuxg1> mborzecki, these are the errors I got from dmesg. I am not sure whether they are related.  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kXhssPJnSH/
[08:06] <pstolowski> mborzecki: yes, pre-refresh runs before stopping the services; stop-snap-services is next
[08:07] <mborzecki> pstolowski: great, then post-refresh is run before the services are started, so I could snapctl stop --disable a service inside?
[08:11] <pstolowski> mborzecki: yes you could. we don't have spread tests for something like this though..
[08:13] <mborzecki> pstolowski: i'm asking bc ijohnson had some issues with services getting enabled after a snap refresh, and I suggested using {pre,post}-refresh hooks to grab the current state and restore it
[08:13] <mborzecki> pstolowski: relevant post: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/how-to-manage-services-with-sockets-timers/7904/3
[08:14] <mborzecki> pstolowski: i think snapd cannot second guess whether a service name is true across revisions of a snap, so it falls down to snap creator to figure this out
[08:17] <pstolowski> mborzecki: i'll take a look at this in a bit and get back to you, need to prepare for the meeting i've soon
[08:17] <mborzecki> pstolowski: thanks
[08:29] <zyga> hey pawel
[08:39] <mborzecki> zyga: fontconfig fonts.conf parser https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2KJDd6xdff/
[08:40] <mup> Bug #1811063 opened: "snap refresh" does not report failure to update because snap switched to classic confinement <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1811063>
[08:41] <mborzecki> zyga: wrote a little tool to dump my local config, no more guessing: dirs: &{SystemFonts:[/usr/share/fonts /usr/local/share/fonts] SystemCache:[/var/cache/fontconfig] UserFonts:[$XDG_USER_DATA_DIR/fonts $HOME/.fonts] UserCache:[$XDG_USER_DATA_DIR/fontconfig $HOME/.fontconfig]}
[08:43] <mup> Bug #1811063 changed: "snap refresh" does not report failure to update because snap switched to classic confinement <snapd:New> <Snappy:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1811063>
[08:54] <mup> PR snapd#6336 opened: snap-confine: fix incorrect use "src" var in mount-support.c <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6336>
[08:56] <pedronis> mvo: hi, I commented on #6331
[08:56] <mup> PR #6331: systemd: allow only a single daemon-reload at the same time <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6331>
[08:56] <mvo> pedronis: excellent, thank you!
[08:59] <Chipaca> o/
[09:00] <pedronis> Chipaca: hi
[09:01] <Chipaca> pedronis: 'sup
[09:02] <mvo> Chipaca: good morning!
[09:02] <pstolowski> pedronis: 1 sec, i'm coming, have little touble with google meet
[09:02] <mvo> Chipaca: oh is the released-at stuff coming along :) ?
[09:02] <Chipaca> mvo: good morning boss
[09:02] <Chipaca> :-)
[09:02] <mvo> Chipaca: *cough* I need to think about the right kind of title - maybe MASTER is appropriate?
[09:03] <pedronis> pstolowski: I added a meet to the event btw
[09:03] <mvo> Chipaca: I guess we need to discuss while having a beer in malta ;)
[09:03] <Chipaca> mvo: https://i.imgur.com/x846GwL.png
[09:03] <Chipaca> pedronis: also ^
[09:03] <Chipaca> that's me playing with some other stuff as well
[09:03] <mvo> Chipaca: \o/ so cool
[09:04] <Chipaca> because in the sample output  requesting this data, there's no up arrows
[09:04] <Chipaca> it's all compacted
[09:04] <pedronis> Chipaca: anyway I still have the feeling that we maybe should go with just the iso dates for this
[09:04] <Chipaca> but i don't know if that was just for didactic reasons or not
[09:04] <Chipaca> pedronis: yeah, i think so
[09:05] <Chipaca> pedronis: and use the human date or full iso date in verbose
[09:10] <mvo> pedronis: thanks for the review on the systemd workaround - I will expand the unit tests, sorry I should have mentioned this in the PR actually. I wanted to make sure we are happy with the general approach before spending too much time on this. I will do so today
[09:11] <zyga> mborzecki: nice
[09:14] <Chipaca> pedronis: there's a problem with released-at currently in the store, where it's not the right format
[09:14] <Chipaca> pedronis: easy to work around, but the fix is on master of the store already
[09:15] <Chipaca> pedronis: dunno if i should propose without the workaround and mark blocked, or not
[09:18] <mvo> Chipaca: when will the store release the fix? like roughly?
[09:18] <Chipaca> mvo: A fair question and one that in recent [days] 'as been much on my mind.
[09:19] <Chipaca> mvo: yesterday somebody was off sick, so it didn't happen
[09:19] <mvo> Chipaca: aha, but that sounds like "really-soon" (i.e. days not weeks?)
[09:20] <Chipaca> yeah
[09:20] <mvo> cool
[09:20] <Chipaca> yeah
[09:21] <Chipaca> right now I have the workaround because I like poking at things, but I think I'll drop it before proposing the PR
[09:22] <mborzecki> zyga: want to chat quickly about the fontconfig thing?
[09:22] <zyga> sure
[09:22] <zyga> here or HO?
[09:23] <mvo> Chipaca: we want this for 2.37 so if the store does not release the fix by tomorrow I think we should add the workaround. or 2.37 will be late for CPT :/
[09:23] <mborzecki> zyga: https://meet.google.com/koc-gdjf-qve
[09:23] <mvo> Chipaca: or we just drop it from 2.37 :)
[09:23] <mvo> Chipaca: but I really like the feature so that would be a bit sad
[09:26] <Chipaca> mvo: I'd rather add the workaround than have the feature slip
[09:27] <mvo> Chipaca: *nod*
[09:28] <mborzecki> zyga: let's try again https://meet.google.com/dwz-hyza-nwc?authuser=1
[09:37] <Chipaca> pedronis: mvo: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/upcoming-change-to-the-output-of-snap-info/9368 fwiw
[09:37] <Chipaca> pedronis: mvo: or should I say https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/upcoming-change-to-the-output-of-snap-info/9368?u=chipaca
[09:37]  * Chipaca hoards the fake internet points
[09:38] <pedronis> Chipaca: was in a meeting with pawel
[09:38] <Chipaca> pedronis: poor pawel
[09:38]  * Chipaca hides
[09:38] <pedronis> Chipaca: heh
[09:39] <pedronis> Chipaca: I think we want the workaround, we can backport dropping it if that makes sense
[09:40] <Chipaca> I'm told the fix will land before EOD today
[09:40] <Chipaca> s/will/should/
[09:40] <pedronis> Chipaca: ok
[09:40] <Chipaca> but as i say, the workaround exists already :-)
[09:40] <Chipaca> anyway, fixing the tests and should have it up before standup
[09:40] <pedronis> yea
[09:41] <pedronis> Chipaca: do you have a PR for the other change?  (unicode off if no tty)
[09:41] <Chipaca> pedronis: not yet, do you want that one first?
[09:41] <pedronis> Chipaca: not first, but would like them to go out together somehow
[09:41] <pedronis> (disrupt things in one go)
[09:41] <Chipaca> :-)
[09:42] <Chipaca> I could stack 'em
[09:42] <Chipaca> but reviewers hate that :-)
[09:42] <mvo> Chipaca: \o/
[09:42] <Chipaca> mvo: does a 2.37 branch exist already?
[09:42] <mvo> Chipaca: not yet, will be created today
[09:42] <Chipaca> 'cause if so i could get the individual things on master, and stack them for 2.37
[09:43] <mvo> Chipaca: if all goes well :)
[09:43] <Chipaca> there's also the alignment change
[09:43] <Chipaca> bah
[09:43] <Chipaca> I could do this: add released-at in one pr, but use it in the same pr as the other two
[09:44] <Chipaca> seems messy conceptually tho
[10:47] <pedronis> does this rings any bells https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/installation-fails-as-core-snap-not-found/9367/3 ?
[11:01] <pedronis> mvo: do snaps that require core18 actually also need core ? but we install only the former automatically
[11:03] <pstolowski> mborzecki: re "i think snapd cannot second guess whether a service name is true across revisions of a snap, so it falls down to snap creator to figure this out": we know the service names of the old revsion, and services of the new revision, no?
[11:03] <mborzecki> pstolowski: we know the names, but we don't know whether A rev 1 is the same as A rev 2
[11:04] <mborzecki> pstolowski: all we know is that the names are the same
[11:04] <mvo> pedronis: snaps that require core18 do not need core, there was a bug a while ago though where it was confused about this but we fixed that, let me look at the git history
[11:04] <mborzecki> pstolowski: that's why i think just looking at name is fragile
[11:05] <pedronis> mvo: that bug is probably still in 18.04 I suppose because no SRU yet?
[11:05] <mvo> pedronis: that is possible, is this about the forum post you mentioned earlier?
[11:06] <pedronis> mvo: no, see PM but maybe also
[11:06] <pedronis> mvo: where do we mount snapctl from for those?  the host until there is a core snap available?
[11:06] <Chipaca> pedronis: fwiw, it's snap-confine
[11:06] <mvo> pedronis: aha, yes, I think this is the SRU :/
[11:06] <Chipaca> in 2.34.2
[11:06] <pstolowski> mborzecki: ah, because it's about knowing what to keep enabled/disabled?
[11:06] <mborzecki> pstolowski: yup
[11:06] <pedronis> Chipaca: yes, that's why me asking these questions
[11:06] <mvo> pedronis: yeah, the host (95% certain)
[11:07] <pedronis> Chipaca: does juju-db has base: core18 ?  or is there something else going on in the forum case
[11:08] <pedronis> I could check myself, but need to go have lunch
[11:08] <Chipaca> pedronis: I mean, the forum says it's core18
[11:08] <pedronis> ah
[11:08] <pedronis> yes
[11:08] <Chipaca> pedronis: and the snap does say base:core18
[11:08] <pedronis> yea, ok
[11:08] <pedronis> so it's fixed bug
[11:08] <pedronis> but no SRU
[11:08] <Chipaca> if they installed the core snap, they'd re-exec, and get the fix
[11:08] <mvo> yeah, I need to chase the SRU, let me do that now
[11:09] <pedronis> (also this will be saner when we have snapd snap on classic but also means more work)
[11:09] <pstolowski> mborzecki: i see, right. i agree with your assesment and the idea of using post-refresh hook
[11:12] <zyga> re
[11:22] <mup> PR snapd#6337 opened: store, snap, cmd/snap: channels have released-at <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6337>
[11:22] <Chipaca> pedronis, mvo: ^
[11:23] <mvo> Chipaca: cool!
[11:27] <Chipaca> whoops, forgot to undo a for-testing change i'd made
[11:27]  * Chipaca pushes
[11:42] <mup> PR snapd#6286 closed: release: support probing SELinux state <SELinux> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6286>
[11:58] <mup> PR snapd#6338 opened: cmd/snap: right-align revision and size in info's channel map <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6338>
[12:15] <pedronis> Chipaca: I moved the card about this to doing
[12:15] <Chipaca> pedronis: thank you
[12:27] <Chipaca> sergiusens: does snapcraft have a homebrew plugin? 1.9.0 supports Linux, and it's been out for _hours_ already!
[12:27] <sergiusens> Chipaca: a homebrew plugin to build from brews and make them snaps?
[12:27] <Chipaca> sergiusens: clearly
[12:28] <sergiusens> meta meta meta
[12:28] <Chipaca> :-)
[12:28] <sergiusens> I guess with overlays it could work
[12:28] <sergiusens> probably worth looking into when more man power becomes available 🙂
[12:28] <Chipaca> also 1.9.0 drops support for intel 32 bits
[12:28] <mup> PR snapd#6336 closed: snap-confine: fix incorrect use "src" var in mount-support.c <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6336>
[12:28] <Chipaca> dunno if that affects zyga's lab
[12:29] <zyga> Chipaca: not much
[12:29] <zyga> Chipaca: you mean go 1.9 is x86_64 only?
[12:29] <zyga> Chipaca: I have one 32bit (strict) machine left
[12:29] <zyga> as in i386
[12:29] <Chipaca> zyga: "Homebrew 1.9.0 no longer runs on 32-bit Intel CPUs."
[12:29] <zyga> ah
[12:29] <zyga> nah that's ok
[12:29] <zyga> that entry point is not using macos :)
[12:29] <Chipaca> from https://brew.sh/2019/01/09/homebrew-1.9.0/
[12:30] <zyga> there are no 32bit only macs left really
[12:30] <zyga> even the watch is 64 bit
[12:30] <Chipaca> it isn't 4 bits emulating 8?
[12:31] <zyga> :D ?
[12:31] <zyga> quick coffee break
[12:31] <zyga> btw, working from the kitchen has one clear advantage :)
[12:31] <Chipaca> nice tweak to travis' ui there
[12:31] <Chipaca> zyga: just keep your jitters under half of your keycap size and you'll be fine
[12:47] <mup> PR snapd#6339 opened: cmd/snap: don't auto-enable unicode to a tty <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6339>
[12:48] <Chipaca> mvo: three PRs up, that should be it for 2.37 from me :-)
[12:52] <pedronis> Chipaca: you mean non-tty there?
[12:52] <Chipaca> gah
[12:52]  * Chipaca checks
[12:52] <Chipaca> gah²
[12:52] <Chipaca> I had it right the first time :-)
[12:52] <Chipaca> and … "fixed" it
[12:53] <Chipaca> pedronis: where it says don't, read only
[12:53] <Chipaca> :-)
[12:53] <Chipaca> i'll fix it right back
[13:01] <mborzecki> off to pick up the kids
[13:01] <cachio> niemeyer, hello, a new change pushed for the spread reboot PR
[13:08] <cachio> pstolowski|lunch, hey, if you have time could you please take a look to #5887 ?
[13:08] <mup> PR #5887: tests: moving core-snap-refresh-on-core test from main to nested suite <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5887>
[13:13] <mup> PR snapd#6337 closed: store, snap, cmd/snap: channels have released-at <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6337>
[13:20] <niemeyer> cachio: Thanks!
[13:34] <pedronis> Chipaca: the description seems also wrong
[13:35] <pedronis> I mean the PR description
[13:35] <Chipaca> pedronis: yes
[13:40] <Chipaca> https://www.dell.com/en-uk/work/shop/cty/pdp/spd/precision-17-7720-laptop/xctop7720emea
[13:41] <Chipaca> guess what laptop won't be my next laptop
[13:48] <zyga> ouch
[13:48] <zyga> Starting at £7,001,726.28
[13:48] <zyga> Chipaca: but hey, it's a "bargin"
[13:48] <zyga> Original Price
[13:48] <zyga> £10,002,466.11
[13:49] <ogra> oh, is dell already establishing the post-brexit pricing ?
[13:49] <mborzecki> Intel Core i5-6300HQ with Thunderbolt 3 is super expensive
[13:49] <mborzecki> must be that thunderbolt 3
[13:50] <ogra> "delivery by row-boat to the continent ..."
[13:50] <ogra> .. "included"
[13:53] <Chipaca> mborzecki: the HQ stands for high quality, it's the audiophile edition
[13:53] <mborzecki> intelophile
[13:56] <zyga> mborzecki: wait, is that really i5-6300HQ? :)
[13:56] <zyga> oh my
[13:56] <zyga> that's garbage :D
[13:56] <zyga> (for that price)
[13:56] <pedronis> Chipaca: could you push master into those PRs to reduce the diff?
[13:57] <Chipaca> pedronis: I could, but that'd kick off another travis run :-)
[13:58] <Chipaca> pedronis: should I?
[13:59] <pedronis> not immediately
[13:59] <Chipaca> pedronis: it's two commits, one of which is on master :-)
[14:02] <mborzecki> zyga: standup
[14:02] <zyga> joining!
[14:35]  * pedronis break
[14:48]  * zyga goes for lunch
[14:51] <pedronis> mvo: can we answer something here https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/installation-fails-as-core-snap-not-found/9367/3 ?
[14:52] <mup> PR snapd#6340 opened: store: undo workaround for timezone-less released-at <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6340>
[15:03] <mvo> pedronis: yes
[15:22] <Chipaca> SIGH
[15:22]  * Chipaca fixes things
[15:25] <zyga> Chipaca: found something fun?
[15:25] <Chipaca> spread tests looking for unicode output in things that no longer produce unicode output :-)
[15:25] <Chipaca> fun level 3.72
[15:44] <zyga> quick coffee
[15:45]  * genii 's ears perk up momentarily at the mention of coffee
[15:46] <zyga> the coffee machine is warming up
[15:56] <pedronis> Chipaca: reviewed #6338
[15:56] <mup> PR #6338: cmd/snap: right-align revision and size in info's channel map <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6338>
[15:57] <Chipaca> pedronis: thanks
[15:57] <Chipaca> pedronis: info is a lovely mess
[15:57] <Chipaca> pedronis: I'll see if I can't clean it up a bit after epochs
[15:57] <Chipaca> meanwhile, probably not worth it for this change
[15:59] <pedronis> Chipaca: as I said, mostly wondering, because of the passing things in and out, and also formatting concerns are all a bit mixed up now
[15:59]  * cachio lunch
[16:22] <pedronis> mvo: will you write there?  you are probably the most familiar with the state, also afaik you did the fix :)
[16:22] <mvo> pedronis: yes, I will write in the forum, sorry for hte delay, just finished the unit tests for protocol-error PR (6331)
[16:22] <mvo> pedronis: feedback welcome (as always :)
[16:23]  * mvo goes and writes about " Installation fails as ‘core snap’ not found "
[16:28]  * zyga goes to read that
[16:28] <zyga> namespaces and more namespaces
[16:35] <pedronis> mvo: thank you
[16:35] <pedronis> mvo: need to go for a walk, but will do more 2.37 reviews afterward
[16:36] <mvo> pedronis: \o/
[16:36] <mvo> pedronis: I will also make a cup of tea and look at the next steps
[16:40] <pedronis> jdstrand: hi, I finally got to look and comment on #5644 ,there are some questions there
[16:40] <mup> PR #5644: interfaces: add audio-playback/audio-record and make pulseaudio manually connect <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5644>
[16:41] <pedronis> jdstrand: also, could you look at #6334 ?
[16:41] <mup> PR #6334: dirs, interfaces/builtin/desktop: system fontconfig cache path is different on Fedora <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6334>
[16:44] <jdstrand> pedronis: yes, I saw the emails for both
[17:07] <zyga> brb
[17:23] <zyga> back to work :)
[17:56] <zyga> tests looking good, writing some commit message for the PR
[18:37] <zyga> some spread IO issues
[18:37] <zyga> but restarted now
[18:49]  * mvo hugs pedronis for his tireless reviews
[18:54] <pedronis> I think I looked at most 2.37 things, they need 2nd reviews and/or passing tests
[19:32] <mup> PR snapd#6340 closed: store: undo workaround for timezone-less released-at <Created by chipaca> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6340>
[19:38] <mup> PR snapd#6341 opened: cmd/snap-update-ns: persist per-user mount namespace profile <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6341>
[20:01]  * zyga EODs
[20:08] <mup> PR snapcraft#2431 closed: rust plugin: update to use latest rustup command options <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2431>
[21:12] <mup> PR snapcraft#2434 opened: rust plugin: refactor to use the latest rustup <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2434>


[04:58] <tsimonq2> Anyone around to chat about RAI in #ubuntu-google?
[04:58] <tsimonq2> (Well, anyone who's op there, ofc :) )
[05:00] <tsimonq2> I'll stick around here for the next ~ 30 mins I guess
[05:00] <tsimonq2> The tl;dr is that he seems to be a troll that should be banned.
[05:09] <tsimonq2> *sigh* I hate to be That Guy who triggers it, but I'll do an !ops there soon if nobody seems to be around...
[05:21] <JackFrost> The technically accurate operator channel for that one defaults to #ubuntu-irc, though I doubt the other op there is around either.
[05:21] <tsimonq2> Oh, hey, someone :)
[05:22] <tsimonq2> JackFrost: Alright, but do you have access to do something about it yourself?
[05:22] <JackFrost> Nope.
[05:22] <dax> ( specifically: anything mentioned in either list on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/Scope is here, rest are #ubuntu-irc. though we're not hugely inconvenienced by it )
[05:22] <tsimonq2> Alright.
[05:22] <tsimonq2> Good to know.
[05:22] <JackFrost> dax: jose is there, only reason I bothered.
[05:23] <tsimonq2> As a side note, how would I apply to get OP access there?
[05:23] <dax> talk to jose, he has founder access
[05:23] <tsimonq2> Alright, will do.
[05:23] <dax> oh, balloons and popey could do it too
[05:26] <dax> (and since I'm being educational tonight, I found that out with /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-google list. people who can assign +o have either +F or +f+o in the list on the right side)
[05:27] <tsimonq2> Oh, TIL.
[07:32] <tsimonq2> (I see nobody's kicked me in here, while I'm only OP in two fairly low volume channels, am I cool to idle in here, or would #ubuntu-irc be better?)
[07:37] <el> the fewer in here the better tbh
[07:37] <tsimonq2> Alright
[07:38] <tsimonq2> I'll exit, y'all know where to find me :)
[07:38] <tsimonq2> o/


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[10:47] <bazhang> Quija?
[10:47] <bazhang> did he mean Ouija
[10:47] <Satan_> please provide the proper spelling
[10:48] <Satan_> I'm fat
[10:49] <bazhang> Satan_, please exit the channel at this time
[10:50] <Satan_> bazhang please continue in pm, thanks
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[10:50] <Satan_> +.net)
[10:51] <Satan_> please enable global private messages
[10:52] <bazhang> Satan_, you do not need to be in this channel for that to happen


[01:16] <karthikeyan> Hello everyone
[01:17] <karthikeyan> I am Karthikeyan and new here.
[01:17] <karthikeyan> I'd like to contribute to Ubuntu
[01:20] <average_guy> hello karthikeyan and welcome
[01:20] <average_guy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam  is the place to start
[01:20] <karthikeyan> average_guy
[01:20] <karthikeyan> thanks
[04:47] <pitti> elopio: reviewed
[04:47] <pitti> elopio: not sure how much my +1 is worth, as I'm not an official system-settings dev, but there you are :)
[04:47] <pitti> (and it's a trivial fix, too)
[13:50] <Nothing_Much> Are there specified prerequisites for testing Ubuntu Touch and Unity 8?
[14:33] <balloons> Nothing_Much, for ubuntu touch, phablet hw is really helpful
[14:33] <balloons> for unity8, there's live cd's, or you can install it in utopic
[14:54] <Nothing_Much> balloons: phablet hardware would require a nexus device, right?
[14:55] <deepubuntu> balloons: Can I use testing version of ubuntu in the pen-drive and boot from PD(pen Drive) into laptop
[14:57] <balloons> deepubuntu, certainly!
[14:58] <deepubuntu> thanks balloons downloading it 1.1 GB don't you think official 14.10 was 931 MB
[14:58] <balloons> Nothing_Much, atm yes.. but very soon we will have hardware from our oem partners
[14:58] <balloons> real ubuntu phones if you will
[15:00] <Nothing_Much> balloons: Awesome, can't wait, but when will they be shipping in the US?
[15:03] <Nothing_Much> Oh darn, I don't think Mir is supported on Virtualbox :(
[15:04] <balloons> Nothing_Much, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8DesktopIso
[15:04] <Nothing_Much> double darn
[15:10] <Nothing_Much> Well thankfully, I have a spare nvidia PC right next to me! :D
[15:27] <Nothing_Much> \
[15:36] <balloons> Nothing_Much, a spare pc is very helpful for this
[15:40] <Nothing_Much> Well unfortunately, Unity 8 isn't working on my spare PC either :(
[15:41] <balloons> Nothing_Much, ohh why not?
[15:42] <Nothing_Much> balloons: black screen and flashing cursor
[15:43] <Nothing_Much> but as soon as I log into the Unity 8 session on this desktop, the mouse pointer appears for a few seconds, then the cursor appears, then the mouse disappears
[15:43] <Nothing_Much> And everything's fully updated, upgraded, and dist-upgraded
[15:47] <Nothing_Much> oh hang on
[15:47] <Nothing_Much> Is xmir required?
[15:49] <balloons> Nothing_Much, did you try the live image?
[15:50] <Nothing_Much> Nope, assumed that the installed version would be the same
[15:50] <Nothing_Much> lemme try that
[15:51] <Nothing_Much> balloons: I don't see it in the tracker
[15:52] <Nothing_Much> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds/75839/downloads
[15:57] <Nothing_Much> Hang on, is it supposed to be a complete desktop session or a Window within the Unity 7 desktop?
[15:57] <balloons> Nothing_Much, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/
[16:00] <Nothing_Much> Ah okay
[16:00] <Nothing_Much> 1 hour left..
[16:01] <balloons> Nothing_Much, if that still has trouble, on real hardware, do submit a bug. They would love to hear the feedback
[16:06] <Nothing_Much> balloons: yeah but that was installed on a desktop
[16:06] <Nothing_Much> what I also asked was if it was a desktop session or a window within the Unity 7 desktop
[16:07] <Nothing_Much> by typing in unity8 in the terminal, unity 8 will show up in a phone sized window
[16:14] <Nothing_Much> Are there torrents for Unity 8? Because this is taking forever and it's throttling my internet :(
[16:18] <balloons> Nothing_Much, mm.. not sure on the desktop-next cd.
[16:18] <balloons> Nothing_Much, it should be a full desktop session
[16:22] <Nothing_Much> balloons: Oh okay, so that's a problem I'm having with the nouveau drivers on an AMD CPU with 2GB DDR2 RAM
[16:23] <Nothing_Much> Geforce 9300GE
[16:25] <balloons> Nothing_Much, are you saying noveau doesn't work for you?


[12:12] <pygi> night
[01:53] <bddebian> Hello
[01:59] <nixternal> bo
[01:59] <nixternal> o
[02:00] <bddebian> Heh, heya nixternal
[02:00] <nixternal> well hello there
[03:36] <Hobbsee> hi all
[03:56] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: moin
[03:57] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying|away
[03:58] <imbrandon> heya freeflying|away
[03:58] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: hi
[04:29] <imbrandon> !seen riddell
[04:29] <ubotu> I last saw Riddell (i=jr@kde/jriddell) 1h 42m 55s ago, quiting: No route to host
[04:43] <Hobbsee> !seen riddell
[04:43] <Hobbsee> !seen riddelll
[04:43] <ubotu> I last saw Riddell (i=jr@kde/jriddell) 1h 56m 22s ago, quiting: No route to host
[04:43] <ubotu> I last saw Riddelll<EMAIL_ADDRESS>9h 30m 21s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection
[04:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: he's asleep
[04:44] <imbrandon> heheh noticed
[04:44] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:10] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[06:10] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal
[06:11] <nixternal> you gonna be at the meeting on the 17th?
[06:11] <nixternal> and at the CC on the 11th?
[06:12] <crimsun> .oO( that's a bit ... odd to be asking a CC member for support? )
[06:13] <nixternal> hehe
[06:13] <nixternal> what happened to the forums
[06:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: they died
[06:23] <nixternal> they are tied into ubuntu.com now
[06:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: me?  kubuntu meeting on the 17th?  yeah.  CC at teh 11th?  what time?
[06:23] <nixternal> so that means my kubuntu theme is gone ;)
[06:23] <nixternal> 20:00 utc
[06:38] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: they still seem to work here
[07:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: welcome back
[07:27] <nixternal> i see edgy dist-upgrade breaks a lot of stuff on the lappy
[07:27] <imbrandon> all mine dissapeared but one
[07:28] <nixternal> wow
[07:28] <Hobbsee> nixternal: they're breaking x atm
[07:28] <imbrandon> nixternal, edgy dist-upgrade breaks alot of things peroid
[07:28] <crimsun> what the
[07:28] <Hobbsee> crimsun: sorry, just testing new stuff
[07:28] <nixternal> your script works
[07:28] <nixternal> now let me have a copy
[07:28] <imbrandon> nixternal, nightly konvo builds
[07:28] <nixternal> so i don't have to waste time doin' it
[07:28] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i was guessing this was the quietest channel to test on
[07:28] <nixternal> where is my konvo build?
[07:29] <nixternal> ahhh..you are using the buttons in the top right hand corner?
[07:29] <imbrandon> nixternal, i'll post them soon ( need to talk to Sho_ too )
[07:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah
[07:29] <nixternal> i removed those
[07:29] <nixternal> lol
[07:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sho_ went to sleep
[07:29] <imbrandon> top right ?
[07:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: doesnt seem to break anything huge.
[07:29] <nixternal> so did imbrandon obviously
[07:29] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea i seen , he should be back online before i goto bed
[07:29] <Hobbsee> well that still works.
[07:30] <imbrandon> wth
[07:30] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: was testing, see the quit message.
[07:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i was going to test +i
[07:30] <imbrandon> ??
[07:30] <nixternal> [00:30]  <-- imbrandon has left this channel (requested by Hobbsee: " testing.  rejoin soon").
[07:30] <nixternal> [00:30]  <Hobbsee> well that still works.
[07:30] <imbrandon> i dident get a quit message
[07:30] <nixternal> lol
[07:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's cos i removed you.
[07:30] <imbrandon> lol
[07:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: now stay removed :P
[07:30] <imbrandon> doh
[07:30] <nixternal> haha
[07:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice, that works too now :)
[07:31] <Hobbsee> right, that's op onl
[07:31] <Hobbsee> y
[07:31] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, join #buntudot
[07:31] <imbrandon> lol
[07:31] <imbrandon> lets get this outa here
[07:31] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:32] <nixternal> ;)
[07:32] <nixternal> arg
[07:33] <nixternal> Hobbsee: quit ownin' me ;)
[07:34] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heh.  unless i say otherwise, feel free to rejoin
[07:34] <Hobbsee> and i say such things in my remove message, which you should see in your server window.
[07:36] <seaLne> Riddell: i'm going to LRL
[08:10] <Hobbsee> good bot.   *kills irssi window in the background*
[08:10] <freeflying> Hobbsee: hi
[08:10] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying :)
[08:11] <freeflying> Hobbsee: weekend coming :)
[08:11] <Hobbsee> yay!
[08:11] <Hobbsee> i'm working this weekend.
[08:11] <freeflying> hehe
[08:12] <Hobbsee> 8 hours or something.  pathetic.
[08:12] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, i should check if i've payed this bill.
[08:12] <Hobbsee> seeing as it now is lovely and red and says "OVERDUE"
[08:14] <\sh> moins
[08:15] <Hobbsee> hi \sh
[08:15] <freeflying> hey \sh
[08:15] <Hobbsee> crud, i havent.
[08:36] <seaLne> does anyone get Bug #52142 i don't
[08:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52142 in kubuntu-meta "Screensaver does not work" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52142
[08:42] <Hobbsee> seaLne: which kde?
[08:42] <\sh> konversation will hit the archive soon
[08:43] <Hobbsee> seaLne: ah yeah, that.  Riddell got the patch and built the edgy ones with it, but i dont think he rebuilt the dapper ones.
[08:46] <freeflying> \sh: how to sync from sid now? need file bug for it ?
[08:46] <Hobbsee> freeflying: yes
[08:47] <freeflying> Hobbsee: any example?
[08:47] <Hobbsee> search for MoM
[08:47] <freeflying> Hobbsee: thx
[08:51] <crimsun> freeflying: file a bug against the source package entitled "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync sourcepackage-version from Debian Sid". In the text entry, link to MoM's REPORT, and say it's Ok to override Ubuntu changes. Then subscribe (don't assign to) ubuntu-archive.
[08:52] <freeflying> crimsun: thx
[08:53] <Hobbsee> seaLne: leave that one to me - that screensaver one
[08:54] <crimsun> freeflying: e.g., https://launchpad.net/bugs/52073
[08:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52073 in zhcon "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync zhcon 1:0.2.6-1 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Fix released]
[08:54] <freeflying> crimsun: got it, thx
[08:58] <Hobbsee> seaLne: did we ever figure out what group we have to be in to change bugs from untriaged into something else?
[08:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
[09:02] <seaLne> Hobbsee: i have screensaver fine in dapper, yeah let me know if you find out about triaged
[09:03] <Hobbsee> seaLne: it certainly didnt *use* to work, and im' not sure that those were ever rebuilt
[09:03] <Hobbsee> seaLne: is this on dapper, 3.5.3?  or edgy?
[09:03] <seaLne> dapper, 3.5.3
[09:03] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[09:04] <seaLne> ah no wait it might be kpowersave doing it on this laptop
[09:04] <seaLne> yeah i don't have screensaver set
[09:05] <seaLne> so you are probably right then
[09:06] <Hobbsee> seaLne: it's still there
[09:06] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i'll poke Riddell over it, i did last time.
[09:07] <Hobbsee> ah what the hell, i think i'll subscribe to all of it.
[09:11] <Hobbsee> hi Lure
[09:30] <Hobbsee> seaLne: are you still bug triaging?
[09:32] <seaLne> is that an in general question or do you mean atm?
[09:33] <Hobbsee> seaLne: at the moment, yah
[09:33] <Hobbsee> *yeah
[09:33] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i just found what group you have to be in to set the severity too
[09:34] <seaLne> ah ok your question makes more sense now, in that case yeah i should probably be in it
[09:34] <crimsun> (but we've been saying ubuntu-qa for a month or so now...)
[09:34] <seaLne> being able to change from untriaged would at least be usefull
[09:35] <seaLne> altho i'm a bit unsure what the point of that level is
[09:35] <crimsun> that's Status
[09:36] <Hobbsee> seaLne: you need to be part of ubuntu-qa
[09:36] <Hobbsee> seaLne: poke dholbach, and he'll be able to approve you
[09:36] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i'd only heard that it was included in bug squashers
[09:36] <seaLne> are we not talking about the importance field just now?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> seaLne: we are.
[09:37] <Hobbsee> at least, that's what i'm talking about :P
[09:37] <seaLne> 08:35 < crimsun> that's Status
[09:38] <crimsun> untriaged is not Importance
[09:38] <Hobbsee> crimsun: untriaged *is* importance
[09:38] <Hobbsee> untriaged is *not* status.
[09:38] <Hobbsee> crimsun: go look :P
[09:38] <crimsun> huh? the terms have changed again?
[09:38] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yep
[09:38] <crimsun> arghAodls
[09:38] <Hobbsee> hahaaha
[09:38] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:44] <\sh>  kdelibs4-dev: Depends: libarts1-dev (>= 1.5.0) but it is not going to be installed
[09:44] <\sh>                 Depends: libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.5) but it is not going to be installed
[09:44] <\sh>                 Depends: libavahi-qt3-dev (>= 0.4) but it is not going to be installed
[09:44] <\sh> hmmm
[09:45] <Hobbsee> \sh: yeah, it's broken.
[09:45] <Hobbsee> it's broken with libxft, iirc - libxft-dev isnt installable.
[09:49] <crimsun> xft hasn't been transitioned
[09:49] <crimsun> (src:libxft -> src:xft)
[10:01] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: does bug 32939 still exist?
[10:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32939 in konversation "konversation does not appear internationalized" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32939
[10:01] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: plz colse it
[10:02] <crimsun> reject / fix released?
[10:02] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: will do
[10:02] <Hobbsee> crimsun: fix released, yeah
[10:02] <crimsun> ok
[10:02] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: thx
[10:04] <Hobbsee> nice, no open bugs in konvi :)
[10:06] <\sh> Hobbsee: kk
[10:06] <Hobbsee> well, not really, anyway :)
[11:23] <Hobbsee> \sh: you probably know already, but konversation FTBFS due to broken X.
[11:24] <\sh> Hobbsee: yepp, but actually is in the archive
[11:24] <\sh> Hobbsee: I didn't update my pbuilder env...so I can test if it would build with a working X ;)
[11:25] <Hobbsee> \sh: hehe, that's what i was doing for a while too, until i stupidly upgraded.
[11:25] <crimsun> yeah, everyone's screaming about X being broken
[11:26] <\sh> Hobbsee: you weren't there for breezy, when for weeks nothing build correctly because of the xorg transition
[11:26] <Hobbsee> \sh: true...ish
[11:26] <Hobbsee> no, wait, for breezy
[11:26] <Hobbsee> no, you're right
[11:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: pong
[11:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i found some interesting stuff in the bug reports - some fixes
[11:27] <crimsun> \sh: heh, we're still carrying those changelog entries :)
[11:27] <Riddell> sounds good
[11:27] <Hobbsee> Can we ship gdb by default?  it's in main, and it's constantly used in kcrash
[11:27] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/36545
[11:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36545 in kubuntu-meta "Kubuntu Flight 5: Cannot backtrace in Crash Handler" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[11:27] <Hobbsee> Get dapper kde 3.5.3 packages rebuilt with screensaver patch, so it works.  Patch attached to bug:
[11:27] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/52142
[11:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52142 in kdelibs "Screensaver does not work" [Unknown,Unknown]
[11:28] <Riddell> we did have gdb for hoary but it disappeared.  we'd need to see how much room it took up
[11:29] <Riddell> I don't have time to rebuild dapper packages
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if you're going to ship kcrash as part of kde, it probably makes sense to have it in, if there's room :P
[11:29] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: does every single package have to be rebuilt, or just the one that the patch applies to?
[11:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: just the ones the patch applies s
[11:30] <Riddell> to
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, and if one of us builds it, will you stick it up on kubuntu.org?  ie, do you have time to do that much?
[11:31] <seaLne> wouldn't be signed
[11:33] <imbrandon> seaLne, he can sign the archive with the ARCHIVE script, the package would just be signed by someone else
[11:33] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:37] <Hobbsee> hi apokryphos
[11:37] <apokryphos> heya Hobbsee
[11:37] <imbrandon> heya apokryphos
[11:37] <apokryphos> hi 8)
[11:40] <Riddell> it's more a question of being able to trust the packages, it's very easy to make mistakes
[11:40] <Riddell> and I don't know of anyone with all three architectures
[11:41] <imbrandon> thus i'll leave it to Riddell ;)
[11:41] <seaLne> if anyone *here* is desperate to buy a kubuntu tshirt they can pay paypal @kubuntustuff.org 15.50saying in the comment what size tshirt they want small=36" medium=40" large=44"
[11:41] <imbrandon> seaLne, i'
[11:42] <imbrandon> i'll grab one but not this eve, will be after i sleep and wakeup
[11:42] <Riddell> 36" what?
[11:42] <imbrandon> if thats cool
[11:42] <imbrandon> Riddell, chest probbly
[11:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: fair enough.   i thought that's why they created debdiff - so it was easy to check.    and the patch is directly from kde.  oh well.
[11:42] <seaLne> chest size like the circuferance
[11:43] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not the source but the binary, the chroot/pbuilder has to be exactly the same as the one the other packages used
[11:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah right
[11:43] <Hobbsee> s/debdiff/diff
[11:44] <Riddell> you can't diff a binary package :)
[11:44] <seaLne> paypal don't make it easy to fully setup a merchant type account
[11:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh yeah.  oops, i'm getting it all backwards :P
[11:58] <cain__> chz
[12:02] <Riddell> seaLne: are you charging the same for international delivery as for UK?
[12:03] <seaLne> yes
[12:04] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ping?
[12:04] <seaLne> so you would be subsidising Hobbsee if she buys one :) its far simpler
[12:04] <Hobbsee> nixternal: unping, dont mind
[12:04] <imbrandon> he's asleep
[12:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, i misread anyway
[12:05] <Hobbsee> seaLne: heh
[12:06] <Hobbsee> for not having to subsidise me
[12:06] <seaLne> even the small is too big?
[12:06] <Hobbsee> seaLne: likely.
[12:06] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:07] <Hobbsee> it doesnt matter
[12:08] <seaLne> because you wouldn't have bought one anyway? /me sulks
[12:08] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:08] <Hobbsee> no, i have no credit card.
[12:09] <seaLne> ah ofcourse
[12:09] <Riddell> well if I get canonical to buy some then hobbsee can get one next time she does a kubuntu exhibition stand
[12:10] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:10] <seaLne> Riddell: you saw my comment earlier about LRL?
[12:11] <Riddell> seaLne: nope
[12:11] <seaLne> i'm going to it
[12:12] <seaLne> what is the plan for the stall, i'm happy to help
[12:12] <Riddell> rocking
[12:12] <Riddell> well it's a KDE/kubuntu stall
[12:12] <Hobbsee> seaLne: what's LRL?
[12:12] <Riddell> with me, Ben Lamb and someone else
[12:13] <seaLne> you noticed the interesting timing on the sunday where your talk is at the same time as the ubuntu-uk bof?
[12:13] <Riddell> I can't remember who the other person is just now
[12:13] <seaLne> Hobbsee: lugradio.org/live
[12:13] <Riddell> not looked at timings
[12:13] <Hobbsee> seaLne: ah okay
[12:14] <hunger> Is there any chance to get qt4 rebuild with the new X?
[12:14] <Riddell> hunger: why does it need it?
[12:14] <hunger> Riddell: I can not upgrade X without removing libqt4.
[12:15] <Riddell> hunger: I'll take a look at that
[12:15] <hunger> Riddell: apt-get install x11-common wants to remove libqt4-debug-dev libqt4-dev libxft-dev qt4-designer
[12:15] <Riddell> seaLne: so we can sell kubuntu t-shirts there and give out kubuntu CDs
[12:16] <seaLne> sounds good
[12:27] <toma> moguh
[12:28] <Hobbsee> hi toma.  did rsibreak ever get backported?
[12:28] <Riddell> 5555
[12:28] <\sh> Hobbsee: can you give me a short hint where konversation fixed 34992
[12:28] <toma> Hobbsee: hi, not oficially no
[12:28] <\sh> Hobbsee: upstream?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> bug 34992
[12:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34992 in kdenetwork "Name with ampersand appears with underscore in menus" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34992
[12:29] <\sh> Hobbsee: url of wbesvn or so
[12:29] <Hobbsee> \sh: yeah, latest konversation builds have it fixed.  imbrandon's got a repo of nightly builds that we're testing out
[12:29] <Hobbsee> oh gosh.  i used to, but i dont have it any more on hand.
[12:29] <\sh> Hobbsee: is it in websvn.kde.org?
[12:29] <\sh> extragear or so?
[12:29] <Hobbsee> \sh: i'm sure of it, give me a sec to look
[12:30] <\sh> Hobbsee: cool thx
[12:30] <Hobbsee> \sh: it's  listed as fixed in svn in the upstream bug, do you want the websvn bit for it?
[12:30] <\sh> oh boy, we are less then a week from product launch and I'm doing four jobs at the same time
[12:30] <imbrandon> extragear-network/konversation
[12:30] <\sh> Hobbsee: upstream bts url is enough :)
[12:31] <Hobbsee> \sh: it's linked to the bug, FYI.
[12:31] <\sh> oh well, I'm blind
[12:31] <toma> Hobbsee: is there a channel were i can polity scream at someone to do it?
[12:31] <Riddell> toma: to do the backport?
[12:32] <Hobbsee> \sh: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127510
[12:32] <toma> Riddell: yes
[12:32] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 127510 in general "Name with ampersand appears with underscore in menus" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[12:32] <imbrandon> toma, you can file a backport request on LP
[12:32] <Hobbsee> \sh: search the launchpad bug page for  kde-bugs #127510  [RESOLVED FIXED]   (edit)
[12:32] <toma> bug 50832
[12:32] <Hobbsee> \sh: it's on the right hand side, about half way down
[12:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50832 in rsibreak "Please backport 0.7.1 from edgy to dapper" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50832
[12:32] <Riddell> toma: you need to check that it builds on a dapper pbuilder then file a bug requesting it and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[12:33] <toma> ok, i assigned it to ubuntu-backports
[12:33] <Hobbsee> toma: -archive or -backports?
[12:33] <Riddell> toma: hmm, maybe that's the correct way
[12:33] <\sh> oh well, if they only would write the files touched by this bug
[12:34] <toma> it builds fine, allee serves it from his repository for now
[12:34] <Riddell> needs to be filed on  http://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bugs
[12:34] <toma> it is the second one in the list
[12:36] <Riddell> is anything being backported?
[12:39] <imbrandon> why is keybuk saying he has no idea how to backport on all the requests ?
[12:40] <Riddell> imbrandon: because he's new to soyuz and it's probably not implemented in soyuz yet
[12:41] <imbrandon> ahh
[12:41] <Riddell> toma: I recommend you e-mail jdong and ask if backports are possible or if everyone just needs to wait for soyuz to implement them
[12:42] <toma> Riddell: okido, will do that
[12:44] <Riddell> looking at the rsi bug report it looks like he just checks it and hopes ubuntu-archive will do it
[12:44] <Riddell> so I'd guess we need to wait for infinity to come back from holiday at the least
[12:44] <imbrandon> yea
[12:44] <imbrandon> looks like it lol
[12:46] <imbrandon> ohh btw Riddell i snagged your ARCHIVE script from kubuntu.org and modified it a bit for my own use, hope ya dont mind
[12:46] <Riddell> sure, go ahead
[12:46] <\sh> hmmm..peter simonsson is who on irc?
[12:46] <Riddell> \sh: never heard of him
[12:47] <\sh> ------- Additional Comment #2 From Peter Simonsson 2006-06-26 15:45 -------
[12:47] <\sh> Fixed in svn trunk... will be in 0.20
[12:47] <\sh> konversation hacker
[12:48] <Hobbsee> \sh: it really is fixed.
[12:48] <Hobbsee> \sh: and he's in #konversation
[12:48] <Hobbsee> psn
[12:49] <\sh> Hobbsee: yes, but I need the file where he fixed it, to get the patch ready
[12:49] <Riddell> \sh: try looking in websvn
[12:50] <Riddell> \sh: he's psn
[12:50] <\sh> Riddell: no mentioning of the bugnumber
[12:50] <\sh> I'm on it with psn
[01:00] <\sh> patched and fixed
[01:08] <Riddell> \sh: is python-qt4 to be synced from debian?
[01:08] <\sh> hmmm...it should be synced automagically, no?
[01:08] <\sh> hmm..no it was NEW to debian
[01:09] <\sh> so we don't even know about it, or keybuk changed the sync script
[01:09] <Riddell> good point, I'm not sure
[01:10] <\sh> In case we don't know about it, I'll file a sync request with mentioning that it is NEW to ubuntu
[01:10] <\sh> against which package though ;)
[01:12] <pygi> againt qt4 perhaps? :P
[01:12] <\sh> no
[01:42] <toma> Riddell: codeine is accepted a few days back in debian unstable. Will edgy pick that newer version up? Or do i need to enter a sync request?
[01:42] <toma> it was not in debian before, but it was already in kubuntu.
[01:43] <Riddell> version in ubuntu has 1.0-0ubuntu1 number which means it'll need to be requested
[01:43] <Riddell> file a sycn request on codeine and subcribe ubuntu-archive
[01:43] <toma> okido
[01:49] <toma> feels good to be doing something...
[01:51] <Riddell> plenty more sync waiting for you to attend to them
[02:20] <toma> Riddell: should that be reassigned back to -archive?
[02:22] <Riddell> toma: what?
[02:22] <toma> the codeine sync br
[02:23] <Riddell> toma: ubuntu-archive is subsribed
[02:23] <Riddell> that's all that's needed
[02:24] <toma> ok
[02:29] <imbrandon> what is that dpkg compare versions syntax again ?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what, for a merge?
[02:30] <imbrandon> no just to compare two version numbers
[02:30] <Hobbsee> debdiff whatever*.dsc > foo.debdiff?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> that what you're meaning?
[02:30] <imbrandon> dpkg --compare-versions 1 2 ( or something like that )
[02:31] <imbrandon> Riddell and jpatrick was telling me how to use it the other day
[02:31] <imbrandon> but i dident note it
[02:31] <Hobbsee>   dpkg --compare-versions <a> <rel> <b>    compare version numbers - see below
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Comparison operators for --compare-versions are:
[02:32] <Hobbsee>  lt le eq ne ge gt       (treat empty version as earlier than any version);
[02:32] <Hobbsee>  lt-nl le-nl ge-nl gt-nl (treat empty version as later than any version);
[02:32] <Hobbsee>  < << <= = >= >> >       (only for compatibility with control file syntax).
[02:32] <Hobbsee> probably that
[02:33] <Riddell> echo $?  after
[02:33] <imbrandon> yea
[02:33] <imbrandon> like hello ladies or something LOL
[02:52] <toma> what is dh_iconcache?
[02:53] <Riddell> toma: it creates the icon cache that gnome uses
[02:53] <Riddell> toma: why do you ask?
[02:54] <toma> Riddell: just comparing kde-extra packages to ubuntu ones.. Looking at what needs to be synced
[02:54] <Riddell> syncing it would be nic
[02:54] <Riddell> nice
[02:54] <toma> Riddell: i saw digikamimageplugins is older, but ubuntu has added that
[02:55] <toma> so if i request a sync that change will get lost
[02:57] <Riddell> debian doesn't have a newer version of digikamimageplugins
[02:57] <Riddell> does it not use cdbs?
[02:58] <toma> 0.8.1-2 is in debian
[02:58] <Riddell> package.d.o doesn't know about it :)
[02:58] <Riddell> oh, I see it
[02:58] <toma><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:00] <Hobbsee> toma: which package was this?  digikamimageplugins?
[03:00] <toma> yes
[03:00] <Hobbsee> toma: did you find your answer?
[03:01] <toma> Hobbsee: no, i'm not sure what to do, but i now know what iconcache is ;-)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> toma: okay, give me a sec
[03:01] <Riddell> toma: digikamimageplugins is cdbs, dh_iconcache is now in cdbs so you can request a sync
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: does it have a debian/cdbs/1/kde.mk though?
[03:03] <toma> Hobbsee: rules:include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk
[03:04] <Hobbsee> toma: right, good, sync it :)
[03:04] <toma> ok
[03:04] <Hobbsee> toma: how are you building this though?  ie, how are you testing it?
[03:05] <toma> Hobbsee: I'm not testing it, just comparing versions
[03:06] <Hobbsee> toma: ah ok
[03:06] <toma> is that ok, or should it be tested before asking a sync?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> toma: well, if it builds in debian, it's *likely* to build in ubuntu - but that's no guarentee that it will, as i found in the case of one of the packages i was looking at
[03:07] <\sh> you need to testbuild it
[03:07] <Riddell> yeah, you should use a pbuilder to check
[03:08] <toma> hmmm, that would need to be setup then
[03:08] <\sh> apt-get install pbuilder fakeroot
[03:09] <\sh> and if you are running dapper, you should fetch debootstrap from edgy and install it
[03:09] <\sh> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto is another document you want to read :)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> toma: current pbuilder is borked though.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> which makes testing kinda hard.
[03:10] <Riddell> hmm, good point Hobbsee
[03:10] <\sh> Hobbsee: hmmm? pbuilder is borked?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> which is why i'm bored, and doign no merges
[03:10] <\sh> Hobbsee: you mean the archive is borked
[03:10] <\sh> because of new Xorg packages
[03:10] <Hobbsee> \sh: not pbuilder itself.  archive is borked, in particular kdelibs4-dev
[03:10] <Hobbsee> and libqt3-mt-dev
[03:11] <\sh> Hobbsee: then do other merges ;)
[03:11] <\sh> there are a lot more packages to merge
[03:11] <toma> ok, does not seem something that is setup easily....
[03:11] <Hobbsee> \sh: that cuts anything kde related out, and most things require some form of X
[03:11] <Hobbsee> \sh: any recommendations on where?
[03:11] <\sh> take some from http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[03:11] <\sh> try it :)
[03:12] <\sh> dmraid
[03:12] <\sh> doc++
[03:12] <\sh> drscheme
[03:12] <Riddell> I can give people access to my chroot if that helps
[03:12] <\sh> exim
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: wont your X be broken too?
[03:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the chroot was made before X broke
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh nice.
[03:14] <hunger> X broke? I should better not log out then;-)
[03:16] <seaLne> my X upgraded as of this morning seems fine
[03:16] <seaLne> what is broken?
[03:19] <toma> \sh: thanks for the link. Now i know the versions are already compared and i dont have to do it.
[03:22] <bddebian> Hello
[03:23] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:23] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:28] <jjesse> monring Hobbsee nad bddebian
[03:28] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya jjesse
[03:30] <imbrandon> heya bddebian and jjesse, and bye bddebian and jjesse ( and others )  /me is off to sleep for a bit
[03:32] <bddebian> Gnight imbrandon
[03:41] <Hobbsee> woohoo!  one sync!
[03:53] <\sh> toma: hum?
[03:54] <\sh> toma: compared doesn't mean merged :)
[03:54] <\sh> or synced
[03:54] <toma> \sh: i know. But i dont have persmissions to do a lot more
[03:57] <\sh> toma: why not?
[03:57] <\sh> toma: you could to merging ... tell us to check put it on revu and we are uploading your merge as sponsored package :)
[04:05] <Hobbsee> \sh: toma and i are working thru this merging :P
[04:05] <Hobbsee> \sh: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ksubtile/+bug/52235 <-- please approve it and subscribe appropriate people.
[04:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52235 in ksubtile "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync ksubtile 1.2-4 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if \sh isnt, can you approve the bug above please?
[04:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: done
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thankyou :)
[04:17] <\sh> Hobbsee: sry..wasn't at my place...
[04:17] <Hobbsee> \sh: it's cool :)
[04:18] <\sh> and sadly I have to stop for now with merging next to my normal work :( too many requests
[04:18] <\sh> need to install 200 servers
[04:20] <Hobbsee> \sh: okay, enjoy :P
[04:20] <Hobbsee> i'll poke Riddell for my uploads then :)
[04:21] <\sh> Hobbsee: enjoying is something else
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:22] <\sh> 38 minutes they need to be install
[04:22] <\sh> ed
[04:23] <Hobbsee> ouchy
[04:28] <abattoir> Riddell:
[04:28] <abattoir>  <Kamion> ok, stage 1 of the big oem-config reorganisation is done
[04:28] <abattoir> [19:31:40]  <Kamion> I've updated the core to look more like ubiquity, rewritten the GTK UI, and separated stuff out so that there's mostly room for a KDE UI to slot in
[04:28] <abattoir> [19:31:51]  <Kamion> however, the current state is very likely to be extremely broken; I haven't tested it yet
[04:29] <abattoir> Riddell: also, the UI which i showed you yesterday is no good.... :(
[04:29] <abattoir> oem-config apparently is a bit different from ubiquity
[04:29] <abattoir> so i'll have a look at the GTK think, put up a wiki, and create a Qt interface...
[04:30] <Riddell> abattoir: what's different?
[04:30] <abattoir> * GTK thing
[04:30] <abattoir> Language, Location go into one widget...
[04:30] <abattoir> the map widget is out.... for now
[04:31] <abattoir> the order of the widgets is also different
[04:31] <abattoir> timezone has its own widget...
[04:31] <Riddell> raphink: have you done anything with pykdeextensions?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> woohoo!
[04:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2629 please upload :)
[04:33] <abattoir> Riddell: so i'm checking out his bzr archive now...
[04:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: checking
[04:34] <abattoir> i'll check out the GTK+ interface and the backend...
[04:34] <Hobbsee> what do we do for those not usign the MoM, with the upload scripts?  it's dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -v[oldversionnumber]  && dpkg-genchanges -S -sa -v[oldversionnumber]  isnt it?
[04:34] <abattoir> Riddell: and then get back to you
[04:34] <Hobbsee> and upload to revu.  where toma doesnt have an account.
[04:35] <Riddell> debuild -S -sa -v[oldversionnumber]
[04:35] <Riddell> or upload to anywhere else
[04:35] <Riddell> just so long as its not forgotten about
[04:36] <toma> uploading in your chroot ;-)
[04:36] <toma> done
[04:36] <toma> that was fast ;-)
[04:37] <Hobbsee> nice
[04:48] <Riddell> \sh: python-sip4: Conflicts: python2.4-sip4-qt3 but 4.3.2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[04:54] <toma> Riddell: put the digikamimageplugins at kubuntu.omat.nl, it can not be synced, because it needs libfam.la, added that dependency. All with help of Hobbsee...
[04:54] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:55] <Riddell> toma: it does?
[04:55] <Riddell> toma: what for?
[04:55] <toma> Riddell: did not check that
[04:56] <Riddell> that's probably just a result of the chroot being out of date
[04:58] <\sh> Riddell: sync went fine
[04:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i updated the pbuilder
[04:58] <Hobbsee> s/pbuilder/chroot
[04:59] <Riddell> \sh: but I can't install python-sip4 and python2.4-sip4-qt3
[04:59] <toma> hmm, oki, then it can be synced.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: could you upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2630 as well please?
[05:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: or have you not finished the last one yet?
[05:00] <\sh> Riddell: hmm...https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/sip4-qt3/4.4.5-2
[05:00] <\sh> Riddell: 4.4.5-2 is latest in edgy
[05:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kwave uploaded, please send change to debian maintainer
[05:01] <\sh> Riddell: if not, I have to check tomorrow morning
[05:02] <Riddell> Hobbsee: or just apply for MOTU :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the meetings are at 6am!!!
[05:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: but i'm very tempted to
[05:02] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ping?
[05:03] <Hobbsee> oh that's right, just the dh_iconcache
[05:03] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Yo
[05:04] <Hobbsee> bddebian: want to upload a package for me?  please?  it'd be cruel to make Riddell do all of mine :P
[05:04] <toma> Riddell: can you say 'yes' to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/digikamimageplugins/+bug/52238
[05:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52238 in digikamimageplugins "Please sync with debian" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[05:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ksensors uploaded
[05:05] <Hobbsee> toma: i thought you said you couldnt sync that...
[05:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thankyou :)
[05:05] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Bah, I'm sure Riddell is bored.. ;-P
[05:05] <toma> Hobbsee: only because of libfam.la, riddel blames that on the chroot
[05:05] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:05] <bddebian> Hobbsee: j/k.  Sure, give me a link
[05:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: and send the change to the debian maintainer
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: both of them?  okay
[05:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: different maintainers (I assume)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> bddebian: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2631  <-- had to wait for it to hit revu
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i assume so too.
[05:07] <seaLne> can anyone suggest what might cause the following error "tar: -: file name read contains nul character" when building a package?
[05:07] <Riddell> seaLne: no idea, but it doesn't seem to be causing any problems
[05:07] <seaLne> you've seen it before?
[05:08] <Riddell> yes
[05:09] <bddebian> Hobbsee: No changes to it?
[05:09] <seaLne> Riddell: thanks, it didn't seem to be a problem but errors aren't usually good
[05:10] <Riddell> toma: libdigikam.la and libkipi.la need rebuilt
[05:10] <Riddell> then it can be synced
[05:11] <Hobbsee> bddebian: no, there are changes in config.guess and config.sub
[05:11] <Hobbsee> bddebian: i manually merged that oen
[05:11] <Hobbsee> has it borked on me?
[05:11] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Well you don't say that in the changelog :-)
[05:11] <toma> Riddell: why?
[05:11] <Hobbsee> bddebian: what's the changelog say?
[05:12] <Riddell> toma: they need rebuilt to not use libfam.la
[05:12] <Hobbsee> bddebian: should have just been "sync from debian" or what the mom gives.
[05:12] <bddebian>   * Merge from debian unstable.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> bddebian: that would be correct.
[05:12] <bddebian> Ohh, you stuck the Ubuntu changelog entry earlier, never mind... :-)
[05:13] <Hobbsee> bddebian: MOM did, yeah :P
[05:13] <toma> Riddell: oki, how do i arrange that?
[05:13] <nixternal> moins Hobbsee, bddebian, Riddell, toma, seaLne ;)
[05:13] <bddebian> Heya nixternal
[05:14] <toma> hi nixternal
[05:14] <nixternal> hello
[05:14] <Riddell> toma: I'm doing it now, just needs thrown back up
[05:14] <nixternal> hiya jsgotangco
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal
[05:14] <jsgotangco> hello
[05:14] <Hobbsee> anyone remember what the story was with libhamlib-dev?
[05:14] <Riddell> toma: once they've both compiled and entered the archives you can subscribe ubuntu-archive to that merge request
[05:14] <Hobbsee> bddebian: was it you who told me what it was renamed to?
[05:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: never heard of it
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hmmm...some MOTU told me...
[05:14] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Yeah, give me a sec
[05:15] <toma> Riddell: oki
[05:15] <bddebian> Oh, I think it's just hamlib-dev
[05:16] <Hobbsee> bddebian: not that i can see, and not that this chroot finds.
[05:21] <seaLne> can anyone point me at how to get a package to not install a file?
[05:22] <Riddell> seaLne: depends on where the file is
[05:22] <Riddell> seaLne: rm -f in debian/rules install will do it
[05:23] <seaLne> rm -f $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin/ident
[05:23] <seaLne> ?
[05:24] <Riddell> yeah
[05:25] <seaLne> ah infact i can not get it to build it
[05:28] <Hobbsee> bddebian: did that end up working out?
[05:28] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Yep, uploading now
[05:29] <Hobbsee> bddebian: nice, i've just revu'd another one
[05:29] <Hobbsee> wonder when i have to go to work tomorrow.
[05:29] <toma> Riddell: raphink has rebuild kipi-plugins for the libfam.la issue as well
[05:29] <Riddell> he has?
[05:29] <bddebian> Well isn't that special Hobbsee ;-P
[05:29] <Hobbsee> 10am - darn.
[05:29] <toma> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/kipi-plugins/+changelog
[05:29] <Hobbsee> bddebian: :P
[05:30] <Riddell> oh tsk to raphink
[05:30] <Hobbsee> bddebian: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2633 <-- upload please :)
[05:30] <raphink> Riddell: what?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> or whoever wants to do it
[05:31] <Riddell> raphink: the problem is in libkipi which needs to be rebuild to not know about libfam.la (I've just done that), so the fam dependency on kipi-plugins can then be removed
[05:31] <Hobbsee> ack!  i've almost done all of my original uploads now!
[05:31] <raphink> Riddell: ah ok :s
[05:31] <raphink> well it woulnd't build without it
[05:31] <raphink> and I hadn't tried with the new libkipi sorry
[05:31] <Riddell> raphink: that's because libkipi needed a rebuild
[05:32] <raphink> now I've requested the sync for the new libkipi
[05:32] <raphink> so it's synced
[05:32] <raphink> so we could remove this dep now
[05:32] <raphink> sorry for this
[05:32] <Riddell> raphink: when did that happen?
[05:32] <Riddell> no problem
[05:32] <raphink> Riddell: when did what happen? libkipi sync?
[05:33] <Riddell> raphink: yes
[05:33] <raphink> a week ago it seems
[05:33] <raphink> on the 29th of june
[05:33] <raphink> I merged it
[05:33] <raphink> and you modified it since
[05:33] <Riddell> raphink: yeah, that was too long ago for the libfam stuff
[05:33] <Riddell> you were just too quick that's all :)
[05:34] <raphink> yes
[05:34] <raphink> I knnow
[05:34] <raphink> I requested the sync of kipi-plugins before merging libkipi
[05:34] <raphink> on the same day
[05:34] <raphink> but just before
[05:34] <raphink> and it was treated right when I asked for it
[05:34] <raphink> or at least libkipi wasn't rebuilt when kipi-plugin was rebuilt
[05:34] <raphink> so my fault
[05:35] <raphink> I should know better ;)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> on second thoughts, i think i'll finish my merges before stealing other peoples.
[05:40] <bddebian> heh
[05:40] <bddebian> Please, steal mine ;-)
[05:40] <Hobbsee> [01:30]  <Hobbsee> bddebian: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2633 <-- upload please :) <-- has that happened yet?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:40] <bddebian> Damn woman
[05:40] <bddebian> I'm test building now
[05:41] <Hobbsee> bddebian: just checking, as i'm about to go to bed :P
[05:41] <bddebian> :-)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> and i didnt want to forget about it, and find that it was still on that list, when i no longer had a copy of it, and remembered nothing about it.
[05:42] <seaLne> any makefile experts able to have a look at http://pastebin.ca/81508 and http://pastebin.ca/81506 and tell me what i'm doing wrong at line 13 of 81506?  i want to change the name of the binary it builds
[05:44] <Riddell> seaLne: is there no Makefile.am?
[05:44] <seaLne> nope
[05:45] <Riddell> seaLne: what's it doing when you make that change?
[05:45] <seaLne> -o is the file it should create isn't it?
[05:45] <seaLne> it dosen't build anything
[05:45] <Riddell> you may need to change the name of the target too $(D)ident: -> $(D)affident:
[05:46] <seaLne> nope
[05:47] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Uploading
[05:48] <Hobbsee> bddebian: thankyou :)
[05:48] <seaLne> nope == nope didn't fix it
[05:48] <Riddell> seaLne: you could just mv the binary once it's compiled
[05:48] <seaLne> :)
[05:48] <seaLne> inside DESTDIR?
[05:48] <seaLne> at what stage
[05:49] <seaLne> after $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/afflib ?
[05:50] <Riddell> yes
[05:51] <Hobbsee> i'm happy :)  my name is on the edgy changes list a few times now :)
[05:51] <seaLne> heh
[05:56] <Hobbsee> okay, night all.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> work in 8 hours - argh.
[05:57] <seaLne> Riddell: mv /usr/bin/ident /usr/bin/affident
[05:57] <seaLne> mv: cannot stat `/usr/bin/ident': No such file or directory
[05:57] <seaLne> make: *** [install-arch]  Error 1
[05:59] <seaLne> i put it in install-arch: between $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/afflib and dh_install -s
[06:00] <Riddell> seaLne: what's the mv line you put in?
[06:00] <seaLne> mv $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin/ident $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin/affident
[06:01] <Riddell> try $(CURDIR)/debian/usr/bin/ident
[06:01] <seaLne> ah i see my problem $(DESTDIR) is no longer visable
[06:09] <seaLne> Riddell: thanks that worked
[06:11] <Riddell> yay
[06:21] <toma> Riddell: i've merged the debian package and ubuntu packaged to something new, can you take a look? http://kubuntu.omat.nl
[06:21] <toma> Riddell: subject is kscope
[06:25] <Riddell> toma: looking
[06:26] <Riddell> toma: you need to sync the changelogs too
[06:27] <toma> take the entries of both changelogs?
[06:27] <Riddell> yes
[06:27] <toma> +all
[06:27] <Riddell> and send kubuntu_02_xdg.diff to the upstream author
[06:28] <toma> k
[06:30] <seaLne> Riddell: (or anyone else) if you have a chance could you look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2635 ?
[06:33] <Tonio_> hey
[06:33] <Riddell> hi toma
[06:33] <Riddell> Tonio_:
[06:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: you've claimed a bunch of merges on KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates, are you going to do those soon?
[06:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will start uploads of my packages on universe this we and raphink is gonna upload my packages for main probably
[06:34] <Riddell> great
[06:34] <Tonio_> arf, just a second late :)
[06:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: everything will be uploaded this we
[06:34] <Riddell> great
[06:34] <Riddell> I'm away this weekend, but hopefully raphink or other can upload to main
[06:34] <Riddell> \sh_away might be around
[06:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, I've tested latest kwlan, it should really replace wlassistant.... it becomes really mature now
[06:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: as \sh_away recover his upload rights ?
[06:35] <Riddell> ok, I'll take a look at that sometime
[06:35] <Riddell> yes he has
[06:35] <Tonio_> great ;)
[06:35] <Tonio_> once I've done the big work for edgy, I'll try core-dev... it is time now
[06:36] <Riddell> agreed
[06:47] <toma> Riddell: fixed the changelog, download from same location.
[06:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we give priority to latest updates or stable versions ?
[06:49] <Tonio_> for example gwenview has a new version considered unstable but that works correctly...
[09:54] <toma> test
[09:54] <Lure> toma: success ;-)
[09:55] <toma> Lure: all traffic stopped all of a sudden. I was just wondering if it was my client ;0-
[10:02] <toma> Tonio_: have you ever used kscope?
[11:13] <toma> Riddell: amd64 build digikam failed: grep: /usr/lib/libfam.la: No such file or directory