[06:12] <hexstar> buntunub: that's something that sometimes works, and sometimes you have to google the cam's chipset to find kernel drivers to compile and install unfortunately
[06:12] <the_padawan> hi all. I'm setting up a new hd to dual boot windows and ubuntu. I would like for one partition (the biggest one) to be mounted on /home and yet be accessible to windows. Which filesystem should I use for it?
[06:12] <AndruC> burner,  i'm getting ubuntu_restricted_extras now
[06:12] <buntunub> i have a sonix microdia built in webcam
[06:12] <Cailen> Bleed, but i would like to completely delete all of its components and reinstall to make a new account
[06:12] <Bleed> Can anyone point me at a thread?  I've failed at finding a real solution :\ I'm very tired of always having to enter my password, and I want to make it stop.  I'm the only one that ever uses my computer, what can I do to stop it?
[06:12] <dissection> I just read that Crossover is just a modification of Wine, so why is it a commercial application? What features does it have thats better than wine that'll convince me to pay for it? Can someone tell me? :)
[06:12] <buntunub> 0c45:62c0
[06:13] <Jordan_U> AJ--, Yes, go to System -> Administration -> Restricted Driver Manager
[06:13] <the_padawan> dissection, crossover handles all the intracacies of installing some of the major software, IE Word/Excel
[06:13] <AJ--> ok ill try Jordan_U
[06:13] <Falstius> !res | AJ--
[06:13] <ubotu> AJ--: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:13] <the_padawan> dissection, it really makes installation a breeze, and imho is well worth it
[06:13] <Falstius> AJ--: you don't need the nvidia driver, but it helps.
[06:13] <hexstar> ?dm restart?
[06:13] <hexstar> why the ?
[06:13] <buntunub> ive tried loading uvc drivers and nothing
[06:14] <the_padawan> hi all. I'm setting up a new hd to dual boot windows and ubuntu. I would like for one partition (the biggest one) to be mounted on /home and yet be accessible to windows. Which filesystem should I use for it?
[06:14] <Falstius> hexstar: works with kdm and xdm and gdm
[06:14] <Jordan_U> hexstar, So that it works for people that have kdm or gdm :)
[06:14] <hexstar> oh huh
[06:14] <AJ--> im using viewsonic lcd monitor
[06:14] <buntunub> shows up on lsusb -v as usb 2.0 webcam
[06:14] <hexstar> that's cool Jordan_U thanks for the explanation :)
[06:14] <AJ--> last time i system crash
[06:14] <burner> AndruC: that'll fix it
[06:14] <hexstar> the_padawan: ext3 is good
[06:14] <AndruC> burner, still nothing, even with what you recommended.
[06:14] <hexstar> oh wait the_padawan
[06:15] <Cailen> So (sorry to be asking so many questions) can anyone tell me how to completley delete this program called Poker Stars located on my desktop running of Wine?
[06:15] <hexstar> scratch that
[06:15] <burner> AndruC: restart rhythmbox
[06:15] <Falstius> the_padawan: it doesn't work very well.  If you format home to be ext3, there are reasonably stable drivers for windows.
[06:15] <hexstar> the_padawan: you'll have to use fat
[06:15] <burner> AndruC: it's ubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:15] <AndruC> i did
[06:15] <dissection> the_padawan: Does the Pro version have even more capabilities for installing windows softwares properly, or just some additional features that're more appealing to corporates?
[06:15] <Jordan_U> Cailen, Again, what we told you to do really should have, did the installation think you had a previous install still?
[06:15] <hexstar> Cailen: you mean you installed it and now want to delete it or do you mean end a runnin g task?
[06:15] <Nutubuntu> Cailen,  I thought you did that already
[06:16] <Cailen> sort of
[06:16] <Cailen> i can uninstall it and delete all the files
[06:16] <Cailen> ...
[06:16] <Cailen> but when i reinstall it still says that i already have an account on my computer
[06:16] <luke_> Hello Ubuntuians ....
[06:16] <luke_> :D
[06:16] <hexstar> Cailen: do you still have the windows partition with the game installed?
[06:16] <Bleed> Can anyone point me at a thread?  I've failed at finding a real solution :\ I'm very tired of always having to enter my password, and I want to make it stop.  I'm the only one that ever uses my computer, what can I do to stop it?
[06:16] <Cailen> ???
[06:16] <hypertyper> /who skumby
[06:16] <AndruC> burner, still nothing.  i even have all Gstreamer plugins
[06:16] <burner> AndruC: do you get an error?  maybe your volume is turned down?
[06:16] <hypertyper> hrrmps
[06:16] <Cailen> i only have ubuntu on my computer
[06:17] <hexstar> Cailen: if you do you could skip the install and copy the game from the windows install to the linux install
[06:17] <Falstius> Cailen: even after you moved .wine?  Maybe it is tracking your IP?
[06:17] <hexstar> oh
[06:17] <AndruC> burner, i'm getting errors, specifically saying i don't have the neccessary codec
[06:17] <burner> AndruC: sure it's mp3?
[06:17] <Nutubuntu> Cailen,  *did* you mv wine??
[06:17] <AndruC> positive
[06:17] <the_padawan> dissection, not sure about pro version, i have the most basic one, but with it i have MS word/excel/.powerpoint working without a hitch. I don't recommend itunes, very laggy and hogs memory and amarok is better anyway
[06:17] <Cailen> no
[06:17] <Cailen> nutubuntu
[06:17] <Cailen> i did not
[06:17] <burner> AndruC: then i suggest that you dont' have ubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:17] <Jordan_U> Cailen, Why not?
[06:17] <Bleed> :\
[06:17] <Nutubuntu> Oh. Cailen, if you did not mv wine, you still have your old installation. I thought you had mv it already ...
[06:17] <Jordan_U> Cailen, That is what we told you to do
[06:18] <dissection> the_padawan: I was looking at installing photoshop cs2
[06:18] <burner> AndruC: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:18] <Cailen> no it did not work sorry
[06:18] <Cailen> i thought i said that
[06:18] <hexstar> you can get rid of it easy mv /.wine /dev/null/.wine
[06:18] <Cailen> hold
[06:18] <Bleed> Anyone know how to stop entering your admin password all the time?
[06:18] <Cailen> on
[06:18] <Cailen> i think i got it
[06:18] <Cailen> ...
[06:18] <the_padawan> dissection, couldn't tell you =/ If you're feeling ambitious give it a shot with wine, but it won't be easy. also check out the crossover office demo version
[06:18] <burner> Bleed: you can add yourself to sudoers, but know the risks of always running as root
[06:18] <regeya> Bleed: a little planning in advance helps.
[06:18] <AndruC> burner, ubuntu-restricted-extras is already the newest version.
[06:19] <AndruC> 2.2
[06:19] <Bleed> I understand the risk...No one ever uses my computer
[06:19] <Bleed> And I'd like the control :P
[06:19] <hypertyper> what windows app are we trying to get running?
[06:19] <hexstar> Bleed: yes, but what about malicious websites? ;)
[06:19] <Nutubuntu> Um. Cailen - anything you mv to /dev/null is g-o-n-e ... just want to be sure you know that.
[06:19] <burner> AndruC: restart? :)  really, restricted extras is all there is to mp3 support
[06:19] <burner> AndruC: you could use totem-xine or vlc
[06:19] <dissection> Okay, I'm checking it out.
[06:19] <Bleed> What would be the difference to running them in Windows as Administrator?
[06:19] <Cailen> i want pokerstars COMPLETELY gone
[06:19] <AndruC> vlc plays fine.  anything else doesn't
[06:19] <bruenig> Bleed, none, that is the point
[06:19] <Cailen> so i can restart it
[06:20] <hypertyper> dissection: use gimp, instead. it runs natively, and is not *completely* different from photoshop
[06:20] <Falstius> Bleed: you have the control ...  There are a couple of things you can do.  sudo su (give you a root shell), edit the sudo config to incrase the timeout to be very long, or modify sudousers to not require a password from you.
[06:20] <Bleed> I always ran as an admin in windows
[06:20] <burner> Bleed: same thing, just know that any little random crazy app you download has root priveleges if you edit your sudoers
[06:20] <Nutubuntu> Cailen,  I wasn't reading earlier. Do you have anything you want to *keep* in wine?
[06:20] <TaJMoX> Cailen: sudo apt-get remove --purge [package name]
[06:20] <ArielMT> Falstius: your downgrade answer worked like a charm.  thank you.
[06:20] <regeya> Bleed: do you run sshd?  do you completely trust it?  heh, I guess I do, though.
[06:20] <dissection> the_padawan: Once installed using CrossOver, if I double click on an .exe file, does it automatically open using CrossOver?
[06:20] <burner> Bleed: which is a horrible strategy :)
[06:20] <regeya> !root
[06:20] <ubotu> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:20] <TaJMoX> Cailen: or just remove the .directory
[06:20] <Cailen> no nutubuntu, i dont
[06:20] <shawn34> How can I use my dv camcorder as a web cam?
[06:20] <the_padawan> dissection, yes
[06:20] <regeya> dang.
[06:20] <hexstar> Bleed: it is VERY bad practice to always run as admin
[06:20] <Falstius> Bleed: those are in increasing order of stupidy, increasing order of risk.
[06:20] <bruenig> editing sudoers won't put him in root all the time, it will only put him in root when he uses sudo
[06:20] <awerner32> how can i make compiz fusion start on how can i make compiz fusion start on startup
[06:20] <Cailen> TajMox, how and what would that do?
[06:20] <AndruC> burner,  vlc plays fine.  anything else doesn't.
[06:20] <burner> Bleed: that said, I add myself to /etc/sudoers and call it a day :)
[06:20] <Bleed> I understand that.
[06:20] <bruenig> it will just mean no password
[06:20] <Jordan_U> dissection, GIMP is getting a complete UI overhall in the next version, should make it much easier to use
[06:20] <Bleed> I understand I could get owned, lol
[06:21] <TaJMoX> Cailen: find the .directory - by viewing hidden files in your home dir.... these are configuration files
[06:21] <hexstar> add yourself to sudoers and all it takes is a rogue website and you're gone :)
[06:21] <burner> AndruC: get libxine-extracodecs?
[06:21] <Newbie2007> !beryl
[06:21] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:21] <dissection> Jordan_U,hypertyper: I use gimp, but I have some .psd files that were originally created using photoshop. When I open it using gimp, some of the text layers were automatically rasterised. Thats why i wanted to see if thats the case when I open it in photoshop while in Linux using CrossOver.
[06:21] <Cailen> ok... Tajmox, let me try
[06:21] <burner> AndruC: if you have totem-xine, you need that for totem to play mp3s
[06:21] <Bleed> hexstar: what exactly do you mean?
[06:21] <regeya> Bleed, I figured this one out the hard way years ago.  I was running as root all the time, and tried automating removal of multiple directories, and through the magic of crap scripting managed to run 'rm -rf /'...as root.
[06:21] <hypertron> I have a problem, my computer cant write to other drives besides the partition. my partition is just for ubuntu itself, not files
[06:21] <Falstius> hexstar: to be fair, all of the files on my computer that I care about, I own.
[06:21] <bruenig> I don't think making a universal nopasswd exception in sudoers really puts you at a very great amount of risk
[06:21] <bruenig> most sites aren't going to run stuff using sudo
[06:21] <AndruC> burner,  i've got that libxine-extracodecs up to date as well
[06:21] <burner> AndruC: as for rhythmbox, you could restart teh pc, it may restart the esd service and anything else that may need to be restarted to recognize mp3 support
[06:21] <hexstar> Bleed: You know, sites that install viruses, malware, without the need to use your root password to get elevated privilages it is very easy for sites to do taht if you have a exploit on your system
[06:22] <Falstius> bruenig: which is why I suggested that instead of logging in as root.
[06:22] <burner> AndruC: maybe you don't have file permissions on these mp3s?
[06:22] <Bleed> Well what kind of viruses on Linux? o.O
[06:22] <aman> smkn 1 mjk
[06:22] <hypertyper> dissection: if i were you, i would try google. search for something along the lines of "wine photoshop"... but you're going to be extremely dissapointed with the performance
[06:22] <AndruC> burner, owner, read and write.
[06:22] <hexstar> Bleed: a site could say, take a remote command exploit if you were behind in updates and do a sudo rm -rf /
[06:22] <burner> Bleed: oen that consists of a .sh file that runs sudo rm -rf yourrootdirectory!'
[06:22] <hexstar> right!
[06:22] <hypertyper> dissection: photoshop is a resource hog in its native OS, running it under wine is going to be much less than satisfactory, i would think
[06:23] <hypertron> I need access to other hard drives but i dont have the permissions for them. can anyone help?
[06:23] <Bleed> regeya: I understand that's possible, but if I were running those commands I'd be using sudo them anyways?
[06:23] <burner> hypertron: fat32?
[06:23] <Falstius> hexstar: rm -rf ~ is just as bad for the general user as rm -rf /
[06:23] <AndruC> burner, and totem now gives me "There is no plugin to handle this movie."
[06:23] <burner> !vfat | hypertron
[06:23] <ubotu> hypertron: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[06:23] <hypertyper> dissection: alternatively, you might use vmware to run a virtual machine and run windows under linux?
[06:23] <hypertron> burner: ntfs
[06:23] <hexstar> sudoers = bad!
[06:23] <burner> !ntfs-3g | hypertron
[06:23] <ubotu> hypertron: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:23] <dissection> hypertyper: Did that already, thats why I asked here to see if there's anyone who uses it that way already. I was told on the forum that Photoshop works better with Crossover, than wine but can be a little buggy. I'm going to be using it for minor editing of a .psd file since I have trouble editing three specific layers of a file I have using gimp, and the rest of the work were gonna be done using gimp anyway.
[06:23] <burner> AndruC: beats me
[06:23] <ArielMT> it's only a matter of time before someone comes up with a printer driver installer .sh that does that.  there's already a printer driver that installs suid-root wrappers for common applications in linux :/
[06:23] <Bleed> Rule of thumb for me: Don't use rm -rf
[06:24] <regeya> burner, in all honesty, if anyone copy-pastes from irc without understanding what it is, don't they in fact deserve what they get?
[06:24] <Bleed> lol
[06:24] <hypertyper> and, since i'm here... does anyone have a recommendation on an easy-to-use, graphical irc client?
[06:24] <Bleed> hypertyper: xchat
[06:24] <albertmk> !youtube
[06:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about youtube - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:24] <Bleed> !xchat | hypertyper
[06:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xchat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:24] <Bleed> blah
[06:24] <AndruC> burner, where are codecs generally stored?
[06:24] <albertmk> sudo apt-get install x-chat maybe
[06:24] <Bleed> that's it
[06:24] <hexstar> lol regeya...noob: Hi, I did rm -rf and now my music is gone, what do I do? Should I reboot?
[06:24] <hexstar> :D
[06:24] <regeya> Bleed, and if you have cause to remove an entire directory structure, I take it you cry and shell out for a larger drive, or do you remove individual files and dirs? ;-)  point taken
[06:24] <hypertyper> Bleed: thanks, i'll look into it
[06:25] <albertmk> Do you guys know any website that saves youtubes audio?
[06:25] <burner> AndruC: you could... "sudo apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-restricted-extras"  then "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[06:25] <hypertyper> dissection: your best bet, if you're looking for accuracy, would be to use vmware and run photoshop under windows, in a virtual machine
[06:25] <Bleed> regeya: Delete it from the GUI?
[06:25] <hypertyper> dissection: or dual boot, but that's a pain
[06:25] <regeya> oh, I see, graphical rm -rf ;-)
[06:25] <hexstar> haha
[06:25] <albertmk> Do you guys know any website that saves youtubes audio?
[06:25] <Bleed> You can delete folders?
[06:26] <hexstar> Bleed: yes you can :P
[06:26] <makaira> So, I was playing music in VLC from an external harddrive. I quit VLC and it's STILL PLAYING MUSIC. I have no idea how to stop it, other than a restart. Any ideas?
[06:26] <regeya> oh, shoot, #ubuntu...not #debian...my bad :-}  seriously I forgot what chan I was chatting away in
[06:26] <regeya> knew it wasn't nearly rude enough for #debian
[06:26] <burner> hypertyper: xchat-gnome is nice too
[06:26] <Bleed> So.
[06:26] <the_padawan> makaira, in a terminal do a ps -ef|grep vlc
[06:26] <hexstar> makaira: what does a ps -A | grep vlc return?
[06:26] <Bleed> Why not do it though gui?
[06:26] <Bleed> if I need to?
[06:26] <Bleed> lol
[06:26] <AndruC> burner, no luck
[06:26] <Bleed> Right Click > Delete
[06:26] <AndruC> i'm going to do a full reboot
[06:26] <makaira> makaira   9620     1  2 18:21 ?        00:07:06 wxvlc
[06:26] <makaira> makaira  19450 19429  0 23:26 pts/1    00:00:00 grep vlc
[06:26] <Bleed> Sorry about the multiline typing, bad habit >.<
[06:27] <the_padawan> makaira, do "kill 9620"
[06:27] <burner> AndruC: did you have ubuntu-restricted-extras when we started?  if not, did you reboot?  if so, do you have permissions to copy that file?  you said that same file works in vlc?  you have totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[06:27] <Cailen> ok TajMox, i think i deleted everything in Pokerstars let me try and reinstall, then ill get back and tell you if it worked
[06:27] <hexstar> Bleed: the point is if you add yourself to sudoers and remove the need to enter root password to elevate privilages when using sudo any rogue website could take a possible exploit tht you may be open to and do what they want with your files
[06:27] <xunil> I am running a java gui and all my windows are blank, this program works on other computers.
[06:27] <regeya> Bleed, to be fair, nowadays I tend to lean toward mostly gui, yeah :-)
[06:27] <makaira> the_padawan: thanks! that worked.
[06:27] <the_padawan> makaira, np
[06:27] <makaira> the_padawan: care to explain what you just told me to do?
[06:27] <makaira> so I may learn.
[06:27] <hypertyper> makaira: use top to find the pid of VLC, and then kill it
[06:27] <the_padawan> makaira, when you did ps -ef you list all the running processes
[06:28] <the_padawan> makaira, the |grep vlc part only displays the lines which contain the text "vlc"
[06:28] <Bleed> I've just never heard of these rogue websites :p
[06:28] <makaira> Ah. Thanks a lot guys!
[06:28] <hexstar> makaira: ps -A lists the processes, | pipes a command to another command, grep keyword parses output and looks for keyword in the output and displays lines with keyword in it. You found the vlc process and killed it using its pid
[06:28] <the_padawan> makaira, the number 9260 is called the pid - the process id. the command "kill pid" kills the process
[06:28] <the_padawan> hexstar, beating me to the punch :P
[06:28] <hexstar> :P
[06:29] <makaira> So every process has a pid. If something goes wrong with a process, I can just look it up in the terminal and kill it?
[06:29] <makaira> Like the task manager in windows, but a bit more hands on.
[06:29] <hexstar> Bleed: I have, trust me they're out there
[06:29] <regeya> can I hear an 'amen'?
[06:29] <Bleed> Alright :P
[06:29] <compengi> the_padawan, i use "kill -9 pid" what's the difference?
[06:29] <the_padawan> makaira, indeed. an interesting command to play around with is top, type man top in a terminal to see how it works
[06:29] <hexstar> -9 is a forceful quit
[06:29] <the_padawan> compengi, kill -9 is more brutal
[06:29] <makaira> Thanks!
[06:29] <makaira> Have a nice night.
[06:29] <hexstar> bp makaira, you too :)
[06:29] <the_padawan> makaira, you too, take care
[06:29] <hexstar> *np
[06:30] <the_padawan> hexstar, you type faster than me
[06:30] <Cailen> thanx... i did it TajMox
[06:30] <hexstar> hehe
[06:30] <Falstius> the_padawan: makaira: an alternative is to use killall -r 'vlc', which will stop anything with vlc in the name.  Carefull not to use it with common letter combinations.
[06:30] <hypertyper> Bleed: got time to give me a quick pointer? how do i configure xchat to connect to a specified irc server (not in the built-in list)?
[06:30] <litral> if you wanted to add an existing user to an exisitng group
[06:30] <Gaming1> Guys I have a word document with the extension .docx, office.org is not opening it, how do I open it?
[06:30] <litral> how would you do that
[06:30] <hexstar> Gaming1: right click, click rename, change extension to .doc
[06:30] <hexstar> then try
[06:31] <compengi> hypertron, type /server irc.serverthatyouwant.net
[06:31] <Falstius> litral: you can do it with the system->administration->users and groups gui.  Or edit the file /etc/group
[06:31] <litral> yea i got only server version here
[06:31] <Gaming1> Isnt that rather crude, I was wondering whether you have any plugin or something else...
[06:31] <hypertyper> compengi: duh, shoulda thought of that, thanks
[06:31] <compengi> hypertron, to open a new server windows ctrl + t
[06:31] <hexstar> Gaming1: Plugin for renaming files?
[06:31] <compengi> hypertron, np ;)
[06:32] <Falstius> litral: sudo nano /etc/group  and add the username to the line starting with the group name.  To change the default group of a user, edit /etc/passwd and change the second number to the group number.
[06:32] <compengi> window*
[06:32] <litral> thanks
[06:32] <hexstar> Gaming1: You can try opening OpenOffice Documents and using the Open menu option on the file
[06:32] <Gaming1> No plugin so that openoffice.org opens files with .docx extension
[06:32] <hexstar> *too
[06:32] <Gaming1> and I cant rename the file since the file is in NTFS partition?
[06:32] <hexstar> You could associate the file with openoffice sure, don't remember how off the top of my head though
[06:33] <buck> serious question on building kernel
[06:33] <AndruC> burner, yeah... no luck
[06:33] <MikeB-> evening all
[06:33] <buck> if i dont have an INTEL CPU should i eclude the /dev/cpu/cicrocode in the build
[06:33] <hexstar> Gaming1: To change file association: http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2006/09/03/ubuntu-linux-file-associations/
[06:33] <intelikey> dpkg is not a very good package manger is it ?
[06:34] <hexstar> buck: why not just compile in everything? :D
[06:34] <Falstius> Gaming1: can't you just right click on the file and select 'open with' ?
[06:34] <intelikey> manager
[06:34] <hexstar> I mean that seriously, why don't people do that?
[06:34] <burner> AndruC: answer my questions maybe and I can help more!
[06:34] <Falstius> buck: doesn't matter.
[06:34] <buck> thats what windows does ..
[06:34] <intelikey> i wish ubuntu had a better package manager
[06:34] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38366
[06:34] <Falstius> hexstar: that can make unworking kernels ...
[06:34] <AndruC> burner, i'll answer them as best as i can
[06:34] <burner> AndruC: did you have ubuntu-restricted-extras when we started?  if not, did you reboot?  if so, do you have permissions to copy that file?  you said that same file works in vlc?  you have totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[06:34] <buck> myself i figure if it doesnt need it its taking up room
[06:35] <hexstar> Falstius: really? doesn't the kernel just not load drivers that are compiled in but ahve no physical hardware to work with?
[06:35] <buck> might as well get rid of it
[06:35] <burner> AndruC: using feisty right?
[06:35] <threethirty> hello all
[06:35] <buck> i want the kernel to be as small as i can get it
[06:35] <Falstius> hexstar: only if you tell it to.  And not everything is a module, some options affect how the core of the kernel compiles.
[06:35] <intelikey> why is dpkg so weak anyway ?
[06:35] <hexstar> ah true Falstius
[06:35] <Dhraakellian> okay, Compaq Presario 2100 w/ 40GB HD and 512MB RAM.  How would the automatic/guided partitioner split this up?
[06:36] <xuni1> I have my java gui comes blank on ubuntu but works on ther people's computer
[06:36] <hexstar> But damn it...it would be awesome to have a kernel with all modules... someday I'll get to it :D
[06:36] <Falstius> hexstar: plus, a pared down kernel can compile in about a minute.  The whole thing can take a lot longer.
[06:36] <threethirty> does anyone know where I can get some video of the wubi install
[06:36] <Dhraakellian> (thinking of doing the partitioning manually, since the installer's partitioner isn't responding terribly quickly)
[06:36] <AndruC> burner, didn't have extras when we started.  i installed them and nothing.  i rebooted and still nothing.  i do have permissions.  any file that has mpeg-3 audio seems to play but ONLY in vlc (does it have its own codecs?), totem-xine gives me errors regarding plugins/codecs
[06:36] <hexstar> Just think about how long the boot time will become :D
[06:36] <AndruC> and yes, feisty
[06:37] <Dhraakellian> 1GB swap, 5GB /, 34GB /home?
[06:37] <Falstius> hexstar: if they're all modules?  Won't make a significant different.
[06:37] <buck> I USE HIREM's boot 9.0 ...
[06:37] <buck> fore partidioning
[06:37] <intelikey> hexstar should not be any longer
[06:37] <hexstar> Dhraakellian: you only need two times the amount of ram you have for swap
[06:37] <hexstar> Falstius: ah awesome
[06:37] <Falstius> Dhraakellian: the automatic partitioner won't make a separate home I believe.
[06:37] <buck> how true is that 2 times the ram
[06:37] <buck> for swap
[06:37] <Dhraakellian> hexstar: 512MB*2=1GB
[06:37] <buck> i have 2 gigs of ram
[06:37] <KennyKix> i have a question about smb shares, i've shared the folders in the gui setup and deselected read only but no-one can access them from a xp pc, how can i allow xp users in?
[06:37] <dr_willis> buck,  not very now a days
[06:37] <intelikey> buck  i don't ever have swap
[06:37] <buck> so i should waste 4 gigs
[06:38] <the_padawan> buck, it's not hard and fast
[06:38] <Falstius> buck: these days, almost completely arbitrary.  Unless you want  to use hibernate.
[06:38] <hexstar> intelikey: no swap?!
[06:38] <dr_willis> buck,  unless you are doign suspend to ram and hibernate stuff
[06:38] <intelikey> hexstar never
[06:38] <hexstar> brave man, intelikey :P
[06:38] <Dhraakellian> (the ratio on my desktop is 2GB Swap (1GB per drive) to 768MB RAM
[06:38] <Dhraakellian> )
[06:38] <mrfr0g> When using the beryl window manager I lose my window options, such as minimize, maximize, and exit. Using nvidia fx 5500. I think that I need to install updated drivers but i'm not quite sure how to do that. Any have this or a similiar problem and have a soltuion?
[06:38] <buck> so i can have a 256 meg swap
[06:38] <hexstar> lol
[06:38] <dr_willis> i always just put a 512mb swap on ever hard drive on my system
[06:38] <dr_willis> helps with live cd's also
[06:38] <Dhraakellian> yeah
[06:39] <buck> well i am a newbie
[06:39] <compengi> intelikey, how could you run linux without swap?
[06:39] <Falstius> buck: yes ... although at that point you might as well not have any.  You can also make a swap file instead of partition.  Then you can have as much as you want, or don't want, without repartioning.
[06:39] <compengi> intelikey, how many ram you got?
[06:39] <hexstar> buck: and compiling kernels already, nice :)
[06:39] <Dhraakellian> dr_willis: the problem here is that I'm running off the liveCD and only recently got permission to blow away my sis-in-law's old XP partition that wasn't booting
[06:39] <azslande> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my laptop, and its going incredibly slow, I was wondering if there is another way to install other than booting into ubuntu then installing it from there?
[06:39] <intelikey> compengi simple i have 96m of ram and dont need swap
[06:39] <buck> yeah .. i want to learn ..
[06:39] <Dhraakellian> which means no swap whatsoever until now
[06:39] <the_padawan> is ext3 or ext2 better for /
[06:39] <buck> so i am reading on compiling .
[06:39] <hexstar> azslande: there's an alternative install cd I believe that is text based
[06:39] <hypertyper> Bleed: any way to get a nicklist in xchat?
[06:39] <buck> and want to make this kernel to have just the bare essentials
[06:39] <dr_willis> the_padawan,  use ext3 when in doubt. :) no need for ext2 these days
[06:40] <Falstius> the_padawan: ext3 is better for pretty much everything.
[06:40] <buck> but be able to run the system
[06:40] <Dhraakellian> the_padawan: the only difference is the journelling
[06:40] <hexstar> the_padawan: ext3
[06:40] <the_padawan> k, thanks
[06:40] <Bleed> hypertyper: yep, 1 sec lemme look
[06:40] <intelikey> compengi another box with 256m ram   no swap   yet another with 384m ram  no swap
[06:40] <azslande> hexstar, would that be on the Ubuntu site itself?
[06:40] <buck> question on ext3 .. is that more stable than ext2
[06:40] <burner> AndruC: totem-xine just needs libxine-extracodecs to play mp3s.  Try totem-gstreamer instead just for kicks?  vlc does have its own codecs.  This is Feisty right?  Ubuntu 7.04?
[06:40] <compengi> intelikey, O.o i got 512MB ram and i got 84.6MB swap in use already
[06:40] <Bleed> hypertyper: move your mouse over to the right hand side of the window.  It's just pulled shut
[06:40] <Dhraakellian> the_padawan: use ext3 for everything except small removable media or for read-only partitions
[06:40] <hexstar> azslande: should be, check the mirrors
[06:40] <Bleed> hypertyper: click the edge and drag it over
[06:40] <Falstius> intelikey: I'm guessing you're using the console
[06:40] <azslande> hexstar, Thanks, I will look into it
[06:40] <hexstar> buck: ext3 is ext2 with journaling
[06:41] <AndruC> burner, yes, 7.04
[06:41] <hypertyper> Bleed: negative. perhaps a view option, i'll go poke it
[06:41] <Nutubuntu> ext3 and ext2 are stable; ext3 has some different features that can be seen as plusses and minuses, depending. basically what hexstar said, but if you delete a file in ext3 it's pretty much g-o-n-e
[06:41] <buck> i will have to look more into journaling .. sounds like has a file like windows .. what is that file on shutdown called
[06:41] <intelikey> Falstius i use console mostly,   but run kde blackbox gnome and twm   at times
[06:41] <hexstar> buck: journaling is generally good to have as it can save some files from corruption if you have a hard powerdown
[06:41] <Falstius> buck: journaling is the technology that makes you not lose your whole filesystem when the electricity goes out.  But it makes writing slightly slower.
[06:41] <Bleed> It should be there :3
[06:41] <Dhraakellian> so, with 512MB RAM, how best to split a 40GB drive, assuming I want a separate /home
[06:41] <Dhraakellian> ?
[06:42] <Dhraakellian> how much does Ubuntu generally need for /?
[06:42] <buck> .. ok that makes sense .. i will have to change from 2 to 3 ..
[06:42] <hexstar> Dhraakellian: just have a 1gb swap and then do the rest as you please
[06:42] <Dhraakellian> I'm used to having a 15GB / with Gentoo, but Portage needs a lot more space than apt does
[06:42] <Falstius> Dhraakellian: I have a fairly mature ubuntu install and I'm using 3.9G of /
[06:43] <hexstar> Dhraakellian: generally with today's OSes you can't have a partition with a OS on it that is less then 1gb
[06:43] <hypertyper> Bleed: there's a button at the bottom left that gives me a nicklist as a menu, but i wanted the list down the right side... *sniff*
[06:43] <dr_willis> splitting a 40gb hd... :) chuckles
[06:43] <SrbinoT> i need help ?
[06:43] <AndruC> burner, totem is asking me to search for a codec as well.  searching shows me three GStreamer packages, that are ALL installed.
[06:43] <SrbinoT> i need help ?
[06:43] <buck> i am just playing with this on a USB hd 80 gig .. only using 15 gigs of the drive .. if i like it .. i will install it on main drive
[06:43] <Dhraakellian> so 1GB swap, 5GB /, and 34GB /home is good?
[06:43] <SrbinoT> i need help ?
[06:43] <buck> so far i really like it
[06:43] <hexstar> SRbinoT: with what?
[06:43] <intelikey> Falstius & compengi it tickels me to watch linux users "freek" when you say "no swap"  just like it does to watch windows users "freek" when you san "firewall ?  what's that?"    or "anti-virus?  what for?"
[06:43] <burner> AndruC: I'm stumped... at least vlc plays them ;)
[06:43] <compengi> Dhraakellian, you need at least 2-3G for clean ubuntu install then as much as you would be using it's up to you
[06:43] <Falstius> hexstar: you most certainly can .. if you wnat.
[06:43] <SrbinoT> with MSN or something else like MSN
[06:44] <SrbinoT> to download on ubuntu
[06:44] <Dhraakellian> should swap be the first or last partition?
[06:44] <buck> about 3 more years and linux will be very user friendly
[06:44] <dr_willis> I got 15 gb used on / - and i got tons installed
[06:44] <Falstius> intelikey: we run a lot of servers without swap.  But for my desktop it isn't an option.
[06:44] <AndruC> burner, yeah, but i really don't like vlc when it comes to music
[06:44] <hexstar> SrbinoT: yopu want to message with msn?
[06:44] <SrbinoT> i need help ?
[06:44] <SrbinoT> yeah
[06:44] <hexstar> SrbinoT: use gaim then
[06:44] <SrbinoT> and i dont know how
[06:44] <hexstar> !gaim
[06:44] <the_padawan> buck, i'd say it's already there. tonight i am installing windows and ubuntu both, and the latter is much friendlier than the former
[06:44] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[06:44] <compengi> Dhraakellian, i guess it doesn't matters
[06:44] <hypertyper> SrbinoT: if you have a question, please ask. don't ask to ask, it just drags it out and makes people mad at you ;)
[06:44] <SrbinoT> to get something like MSN
[06:44] <leetcharmer> is there a way to connect to my edubuntu server without making a Thin Client have to boot into it?
[06:44] <leetcharmer> like if it's already on my network
[06:44] <hexstar> !gaim | SrbinoT
[06:44] <ubotu> SrbinoT: please see above
[06:44] <Dhraakellian> buck: linux is already extremely user friendly.  Just because it's not quite so... promiscuous... with whom it considers a friend...
[06:44] <leetcharmer> can I go to the terminal server client in ubuntu to gain access?
[06:44] <SrbinoT> listen now
[06:44] <intelikey> i just wish i could get dpkg fixed,
[06:45] <SrbinoT> if you want help me
[06:45] <hexstar> !gaim | SrbinoT
[06:45] <ubotu> SrbinoT: Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[06:45] <compengi> Dhraakellian, just make sure that you have pointed to it in your install
[06:45] <Falstius> buck: if you think linux isn't user friendly, try recompiling the kernel in windows.
[06:45] <hexstar> lol
[06:45] <the_padawan> is this a no lol room? if not, lol.
[06:45] <hexstar> lol compile the kernel in visual studio, is that possible? :D
[06:45] <Nutubuntu> Do we have an interoperable equivalent of the Cisco vpn client for win?
[06:45] <buck> yeah i have noticed .. i was amazed at how cool this is .. i was afraid of it ..
[06:45] <Dhraakellian> I seem to remember reading once upon a time that it was best to have swap at one of the ends of the disk.  I think it was the beginning, but I'm not sure
[06:45] <Falstius> hexstar: no ... on so many levels no.
[06:46] <hexstar> haha lol
[06:46] <hexstar> thought sop
[06:46] <hexstar> *so
[06:46] <Dhraakellian> also, what's the easiest way to turn off tap=click with a touchpad?
[06:46] <buck> and it loaded real cool .. figured i would compile to the latest kernal <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:47] <buck> was running <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:47] <emanuel_> oi
[06:47] <dr_willis> Dhraakellian,  my laptop has a button on the touchpad.  to disable it.. heh ..
[06:47] <AndruC> burner, audacious works, and it its preferences i can see which plugins its using.  i see all my installed codecs and it plays fine.  i wonder if somewhere there's a setting that's pointing my media players somewhere else, when looking for codecs, by default
[06:47] <Falstius> buck: the latest kernel isn't stable.
[06:47] <hexstar> buck: have you done it yet? :)
[06:47] <dr_willis> Dhraakellian,  actually that disables the whole touchpad. :)
[06:47] <hexstar> lol
[06:47] <dr_willis> Dhraakellian,  theres a synaptic control tool  in the repos i recall
[06:47] <emanuel_> algum brasileiro ?
[06:47] <hexstar> what?
[06:47] <Dhraakellian> dr_willis: yeah, I don't want the all-or-nothing
[06:47] <Falstius> Dhraakellian: google for synaptic.  You can do that as an option in the xorg.conf.  There might be an easier way too, but I haven't look into it for years.
[06:47] <Nutubuntu> !br
[06:48] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[06:48] <buck> no i am where it says /dev/cpu/microcode.. for intel .. i have AMD do i will not load that into the kernal.. no i looked at the web site they said that this was stable ..
[06:48] <Dhraakellian> hmm
[06:48] <Dhraakellian> gsynaptics?
[06:48] <buck> or was it the patch that was stable
[06:48] <Dhraakellian> think I've heard of that before
[06:48] <burner> AndruC: doubt your pc is any different than the rest of us using feisty
[06:48] <Falstius> !br | emanuel
[06:48] <ubotu> emanuel: please see above
[06:48] <buck> becaue there is a patch.<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:48] <burner> AndruC: perhaps esd isn't running?
[06:48] <AndruC> burner, ah, audacious has its own folder for decoder plugins
[06:49] <AndruC> burner, what's esd?
[06:49] <burner> AndruC: enlightenment sound daemon.... just know that rhythmbox needs it
[06:49] <burner> AndruC: and all of gnome for sound
[06:49] <burner> AndruC: to be replaced by pulse eventually
[06:49] <Dhraakellian> okay, writting partition table with cfdisk
[06:49] <emanuel_> y don't speek ingles
[06:49] <burner> !ubuntu-es | emanuel_
[06:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu-es - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:50] <Dhraakellian> since I somehow trust it to work more quickly than the installer
[06:50] <hexstar> what you speak emanuel?
[06:50] <dissection> !ftp
[06:50] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[06:50] <dissection> !Nautilus
[06:50] <Falstius> burner: he's speaking portuguese, not spanish
[06:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nautilus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:50] <AndruC> burner, already running
[06:50] <dissection> !FTPd
[06:50] <ubotu> FTP servers: !ftpd, !proftpd, !pure-ftpd, !twoftpd, !vsftpd, !MuddleFTPd, !wzdftpd - Graphical front-ends: !PureAdmin, !GProftpd (for !GNOME), !KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP
[06:51] <buck> okay .. i pointed kernel to the amd athalon64 i exluded dev/cpu/microde  .. should i modularize or install /dev/cpu/*/msr
[06:51] <intelikey> well that was not the way to fix dpkg but i did it anyway.     rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/fuse-utils.postrm ;dpkg --force-all --purge fuse-utils
[06:51] <hexstar> emanuel: Voc compreende este?
[06:51] <dissection> !gproftpd
[06:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gproftpd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:51] <buck> i think i need tat .. because i want to run native 32 apps
[06:51] <intelikey> finally the package manager is not borked
[06:51] <Dhraakellian> ftp servers?  Y'know, I don't think we have any running in this house, what with sftp in sshd
[06:51] <burner> AndruC: alas, i'm at a loss
[06:52] <burner> AndruC: change the output of totem or rhythmbox to use oss or alsa or auto and try them all?
[06:52] <hexstar> emanuel: Try going to http://translate.google.com/translate_t?langpair=en|pt and translating what you want to say to english
[06:52] <hexstar> emanuel:
[06:52] <hexstar> Tentar ir ao |pt de http://translate.google.com/translate_t?langpair=en e traduzir o que voc quer dizer ao ingls
[06:52] <compengi> dissection, gproftpd is a quick GUI guide for configuring proftpd server
[06:52] <Falstius> buck: you don't need microcode, I don't remember msr.  There should be suggestions in the config for most of those ("if unsure, say no" type things)
[06:52] <AndruC> burner, i'm trying to find out what the default path is for where plugins are stored
[06:53] <Dhraakellian> okay, part of the reason I'm installing Ubuntu on this laptop instead of Kubuntu is that I'm experimenting with going as close to entirely Gnome/GTK as I can to see if I should finally give up my grudge against it
[06:53] <Dhraakellian> (or at least soften it somewhat)
[06:53] <buck> yeah .. i google search .. and chec it out.. .. if its like an intel p6 only thing like the mtrr i will probably not include it
[06:53] <hexstar> nope, KDE is still better :D :P
[06:53] <Dhraakellian> in that light, which music player would be the best replacement for Amarok?
[06:53] <Dhraakellian> hexstar: I don't doubt that
[06:53] <Dhraakellian> hexstar: the question is whether Gnome is as much worse as I remember it being
[06:54] <Dhraakellian> !;)
[06:54] <hexstar> Dhraakellian: ah
[06:54] <hexstar> !;)
[06:54] <Dhraakellian> and also, is there a Gnome equivalent of Klipper?
[06:54] <hexstar> no clue sorry
[06:54] <burner> Dhraakellian: glipper :)
[06:54] <hexstar> haha
[06:54] <Dhraakellian> !:) = weird guy with a belt on his head for some deranged reason
[06:54] <compengi> !pt | emmanuelux
[06:54] <ubotu> emmanuelux: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[06:54] <emmanuelux> why
[06:54] <buck> if this works out okay .. ima gonna install xubuntu on my 32bit barton
[06:54] <Dhraakellian> burner: you're joking, right?
[06:55] <burner> !info glipper | Dhraakellian
[06:55] <ubotu> dhraakellian: glipper: A clipboard manager for GNOME and other window managers. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95.1-1 (feisty), package size 42 kB, installed size 280 kB
[06:55] <Dhraakellian> hmm... that triggers the bot
[06:55] <hexstar> lol...
[06:55] <Dhraakellian> (:
[06:55] <buck> burner
[06:55] <Dhraakellian> ooooooh!
[06:55] <buck> burner:
[06:55] <obf213> can somebody help me with wifi problems
[06:55] <Falstius> there is an #ubuntu-offtopic for good reason.
[06:56] <obf213> i can see all my networks, my card is recognized, but i can't log o n to my network.
[06:56] <buck> i am so glad that there are Channels liek this .. its awesome
[06:56] <hexstar> obf213: does your network have an security encryption scheme enabled (wep, wpa, wpa2)?
[06:56] <obf213> yes
[06:56] <obf213> wep
[06:56] <buck> i havent been this juiced on a computer in a while
[06:56] <Dhraakellian> bcm43xx-fwcutter = win
[06:56] <hexstar> try turning it off and see if you can connecte
[06:57] <obf213> it works on windows. but on linux it continually ask me for the wep over and over again
[06:57] <burner> buck: glad we could "juice" you as it were :)
[06:57] <hexstar> obf213: some cards can't support various modes of wireless security for some reason
[06:57] <burner> buck: type in the right key then :)
[06:57] <buck> the bcm 43 xx is on my other system . i will tackle that next..
[06:57] <hexstar> obf213: in that case it's probably the linux wireless driver
[06:57] <obf213> hexstar. it worked when i had kubuntu 6.04
[06:57] <obf213> i figured it would work now...
[06:57] <AJ--> ok im back now
[06:57] <Dhraakellian> obf213: try changing it to the 26-digit Hex version and then filling in the key
[06:57] <obf213> k
[06:57] <hexstar> obf213: yeah sometimes linux can have regressions unfortunately
[06:57] <Dhraakellian> if that's the form in which the key comes
[06:58] <buck> it just amazes me how this is all free too
[06:58] <hexstar> buck: indeed, very nice
[06:58] <Dhraakellian> buck: free and Free.
[06:58] <AJ--> i had installed the restricted driver and now how can i use 1440x900 resolution for my monitor???
[06:58] <buck> i can believe in the last 12 years ihave spent over 1500 on windows
[06:58] <Dhraakellian> paying for software (or pirating it, for that matter) is quite a foreign concept for me
[06:58] <holycow> buck, the fruit of good will
[06:58] <holycow> welcome to the darkside
[06:58] <hexstar> Aj: right click, Configure desktop, go to monitor
[06:58] <Dhraakellian> well, paying $$$
[06:58] <buck> and thats nt including office
[06:59] <AJ--> coz i dont see that on the resolution menu
[06:59] <holycow> here, stabbing people in the back has negative effect
[06:59] <hexstar> lol
[06:59] <holycow> s
[06:59] <hexstar> like MS making license deals with distros
[06:59] <holycow> bingo
[07:00] <Falstius> !res | AJ--
[07:00] <ubotu> AJ--: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:00] <hexstar> and then they back out when gplv3 comes out
[07:00] <holycow> its already over
[07:00] <hexstar> yeah
[07:00] <holycow> ms announced it will not support any gpl3 code with its certificates
[07:00] <Dhraakellian> burner: thank you ever so much for pointing me at glipper
[07:00] <AJ--> hexstar:  were should i rytclick?
[07:00] <holycow> novell just got stabbed in the back
[07:00] <holycow> as did xandros and lindows
[07:00] <burner> Dhraakellian: np
[07:01] <hexstar> just saying, kind of maddening that they had promised safety supposedly with their deals and of course really it turns out there is no such thing, microsoft was just in it for the exposure and money
[07:01] <buck> this is scaring me .. i am wondering if i really need the MTRR .. as it says it will write the operation of an image 2.5 times faster .. but its pointing to pentium pro and pent 2
[07:01] <holycow> hexstar, indeed
[07:01] <holycow> no such thing in the ms world
[07:01] <holycow> they NEVER EVER do anything but for their own benefit
[07:01] <holycow> ever
[07:01] <hexstar> holycow: yeah :(
[07:01] <Dezine> Hi, I'm trying to play Doom3, I'm pretty sure I copied everything to the right directory. So, I try running the game and I get "Couldn't find package opengl"
[07:01] <regeya> good christ what could frozen bubble need that requires a 22.8 mb download...oh hehe I see a whole lists of deps nevermind
[07:02] <hexstar> buck: you could always say no, make a note of that being an unsure option and see if anything bad happens
[07:02] <holycow> regeya, artwork and sound
[07:02] <buck> well would if i cant boot..
[07:02] <buck> hahahah
[07:02] <hexstar> save your current kernel buck
[07:02] <Falstius> buck: enabling it.  If it doesn't boot, going back to an older kernel and try again.
[07:02] <buck> oh yeha . i htink i have 4 kernals saved
[07:02] <hexstar> yeah, always save your current kernel
[07:02] <Dezine> oops, wrong error, I get "Sys_Error: Unable to initialize OpenGL"
[07:02] <buck> how do i go back to old kernal just in case
[07:03] <buck> i am sure it will tell me
[07:03] <holycow> select it at boot up time
[07:03] <AJ--> hexstar:  i cant seem to find the thing u said  ,, were should i rightclick?
[07:03] <Falstius> buck: nothing bad will happen from not enabling it.  So try enabling it first.  To boot an older kernel, hit esc while booting to get the grub menu and then select the kernel you want.
[07:03] <hexstar> usually you can install the new kernel with the old so that they're options together in te boot loader, not sure how though since I have yet to compile and install a kernel myself
[07:03] <hexstar> Aj: what gui are you using
[07:03] <hexstar> ?
[07:03] <hexstar> Aj: I was assuming it was KDE
[07:03] <AJ--> im using ubuntu fiesty
[07:03] <buck> okay .. .. disableing it ..
[07:04] <hexstar> Aj: no I mean, kde or gnome?
[07:04] <AJ--> i just installed it today
[07:04] <AJ--> kde
[07:04] <hexstar> ah, just right click on the desktop then Aj
[07:04] <Falstius> hexstar: it is trivial, you just add an entry for the new kernel to /boot/grub/menu.1st and don't overwrite the old kernel in /boot.
[07:04] <burner> AJ--: kubuntu feisty even :)
[07:04] <hexstar> Falstius: ah cool
[07:05] <hexstar> haha
[07:05] <hexstar> really gentoo doesn't seem like a serious distro
[07:05] <SrbinoT> hello i need help
[07:05] <hexstar> Funny how when I asked in their channel if it's good for a server they all instantly said yes
[07:05] <AJ--> hexstar:  the only thing i see here is desktop background and folders
[07:05] <Dhraakellian> hexstar: I ran it for a year and a half or so
[07:05] <Dhraakellian> twice
[07:05] <SrbinoT> i want to get MSN-Messenger
[07:05] <AJ--> wen i ryt click
[07:06] <SrbinoT> on ubutnu
[07:06] <hexstar> Aj: Hmm...not sure sorry
[07:06] <Dhraakellian> with a 6-month distro-hopping run in between the two stints
[07:06] <Dezine> srbinot you could use gaim
[07:06] <SrbinoT> tell me how man
[07:06] <SrbinoT> i dont know
[07:06] <SrbinoT> i am new on ubuntu
[07:06] <hexstar> !gaim | SrbinoT
[07:06] <ubotu> SrbinoT: Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[07:06] <buck> i like that i can run ie4linux that was cool.. but i like the builtin browsers better
[07:06] <Falstius> SrbinoT: gaim supports basic MSN stuff (chatting), amsn supports more.  For all the bells and whistles I think you need to run the actual MSN in windows.
[07:06] <hexstar> haha ie4linux
[07:06] <hexstar> !gaim | SrbinoT
[07:06] <Dhraakellian> !ie4linux
[07:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ie4linux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:07] <hexstar> hey! :P
[07:07] <hexstar> !gaim | SrbinoT
[07:07] <ubotu> SrbinoT: Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[07:07] <buck> gaim it
[07:07] <hexstar> lol
[07:07] <buck> !eating linux for lunch
[07:07] <Salmon_Maki> How do I make a launcher/shortcut for the Trash Bin? I tried "trash:" in the command of the launcher and it didn't work.
[07:07] <macgeek> I have Ubuntu 5.10 and the update manager says my distro is no longer supported so I can't upgrade to Ubuntu 6 or 7. Is there a way around this without having to burn a CD?
[07:07] <burner> Salmon_Maki: add applet, search for trash
[07:07] <hexstar> I've gotta try gentoo sometime...it'd be a fun project compiling everything
[07:07] <buck> there are some bots here
[07:07] <konam> hi
[07:07] <hexstar> !bot
[07:07] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:08] <buck> !bot this
[07:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bot this - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:08] <konam> how do i know that i have dma=on in ubuntu feisty?
[07:08] <Dhraakellian> hexstar: it's not too bad once you're used to it
[07:08] <dissection> What directory do I put my windows fonts in?
[07:08] <Falstius> Salmon_Maki: right click on the panel->add to panel and select trash from the list ?
[07:08] <hexstar> Dhraakellian: yeah I'm sure :)
[07:08] <Dhraakellian> but coming back to a binary distro can leave you surprised at how fast your package management is
[07:08] <buck> i am amazed at all the people in this chat
[07:08] <hexstar> hehe
[07:08] <Salmon_Maki> Falstius, burner : I want to make a regular shortcut on the desktop, not in the panel. :)
[07:08] <Dezine> hey there's a lot of people in here as usual
[07:08] <Dezine> yeah*
[07:08] <hexstar> buck: yeah I love how the ubuntu channel is always active, fun
[07:08] <SrbinoT> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:08] <SrbinoT> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:08] <Falstius> Salmon_Maki: why?
[07:08] <buck> !love this chat
[07:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about love this chat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:08] <hexstar> SrbinoT: you have to append su to the front of the command
[07:09] <Dhraakellian> on the other hand, the output of Portage's emerge --ask --verbose --tree beats the pants off anything I've seen apt-get do
[07:09] <SrbinoT> and now ?
[07:09] <Nutubuntu> dissection, TTF fonts you put into ~/.fonts or a subdirectory of it will work
[07:09] <hexstar> !exclamation mark
[07:09] <SrbinoT> what i must do
[07:09] <buck> SU why does one have to do that
[07:09] <hexstar> !exclamation mark
[07:09] <SrbinoT> to get MSN
[07:09] <Salmon_Maki> Wow really spammy here today. :P
[07:09] <regeya> Dhraakellian: you have an odd reason for needing a nonstandard web browser?  ok, never mind that it's the ubiquitous standard, it's just not terribly standards compliant
[07:09] <buck> !all the bots are talking
[07:09] <burner> Salmon_Maki: alt+f2, gconf-editor, apps->nautilus->desktop check display trash
[07:09] <buck> these bots are wonderful wealth of knowlege
[07:10] <MrGreencastl1> I have an ATI radeon Xpress 1100, is anti-aliasing supported in ubuntu?  I want to make compiz fusion look nicer
[07:10] <compengi> Salmon_Maki, spammy?
[07:10] <Dhraakellian> regeya: yes, I do have a reason, actually.  my employer's employee information site is IE-only
[07:10] <Dezine> Srbinot, look in the aplications menu, look under internet, gaim might be there if not open a terminal and install it with sudo apt-get install gaim
[07:10] <hexstar> SrbinoT: you have to use su to become root temporarily as you need root privilages to install software on linux
[07:10] <Falstius> buck: don't play with the bots, it is difficult enough to follow this channel most of the time.   Do I just create it myself?
[07:11] <Dhraakellian> *tries manual partitioning this time, hoping that, if he leaves the current setup alone, it won't freeze on him*
[07:11] <hexstar> lol
[07:11] <hexstar> and you used gentoo :P
[07:11] <Salmon_Maki> Falstius: i dunno why i want the trash on the desktop, i guess i'm so used to it being there. My panel is already cluttered up with stuff as it is. :P
[07:11] <hexstar> I never use the trash in linux, just doing delete is fine for me :)
[07:11] <Nutubuntu> dissection,  you don't have .fonts as a subdirectory of your home directory? It is a hidden directory; if you are using a graphical file manager like Nautilus, you may have to turn on the display of hidden files and directories...
[07:12] <noodles12> damnit. why does FF in feisty keep randomly closing or freezing
[07:12] <Dhraakellian> hexstar: the employee information site
[07:12] <MrGreencastl1> I have an ATI radeon Xpress 1100, is anti-aliasing supported in ubuntu?  I knowATI is bad, but is there a way to do it?
[07:12] <hexstar> Dhraakellian: ah
[07:12] <Dhraakellian> so it's more convenient for me to check the hardcopy of my schedule at work
[07:12] <Nutubuntu> noodles12, firefox 2.0.x?
[07:12] <dissection> Nutubuntu: I did turn on hidden files and folders
[07:12] <regeya> it was amusing in our company to watch the odd disparity between departments--bookkeeping got set up with this neato IE-only system, has citrix installed, distributed instructions for installing and using the windows client to the local bosses...many of whom had shiny ibooks and macbooks with OS X only.
[07:12] <obf213_> how do you completely remove a program... when i unistall programs and reinstall them they always have the exact same settings and files.
[07:12] <hexstar> o_O
[07:12] <regeya> now granted you can do citrix on an os x box but it's just silly.
[07:13] <noodles12> Nutubuntu: <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:13] <burner> obf213: sudo apt-get remove --purge packagename
[07:13] <hexstar> regeya: what does citrix do?
[07:13] <obf213_> i want to completely remove exaime and redo it so i can add files that it didn't add properly and refused to correct
[07:13] <obf213_> ok
[07:13] <konam> someone can tell me how do i know if my dma is on, on ubuntu feisty
[07:13] <hexstar> I've looked at it, it just looks like a bunch of sevices
[07:13] <Dhraakellian> is there any way to have the installer just plain skip the partitioner and migration wizard?
[07:13] <burner> regeya: also look in ~/. files and folders for settings
[07:13] <konam> the dapper way doesn't work
[07:13] <Dhraakellian> like not even load them at all?
[07:13] <regeya> hexstar: it's kinda like vnc...or maybe vnc's kinda like a hobbled citrix :->
[07:13] <hexstar> *services
[07:13] <regeya> um ok burner
[07:13] <Nutubuntu> noodles12, it only crashes for me when I have it running ;p
[07:13] <hexstar> regeya: ah
[07:14] <Dhraakellian> (and yes, no matter what happens with this installation, I'm keeping all critical documents and such on my usbflash)
[07:14] <hexstar> :P
[07:14] <hexstar> use a NAS Dhraakellian
[07:14] <regeya> Dhraakellian: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page  WARNING I have not tried this but it comes highly recommended on the winehq site
[07:14] <Dhraakellian> hexstar: eh?
[07:14] <hexstar> network attatched storage
[07:14] <regeya> !nas
[07:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nas - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:15] <hexstar> so that you won't have to worry about the local filesystem setup
[07:15] <regeya> oh holy mother of crud.
[07:15] <Phreakazoid> anyone know where is a package for gstreamer0.10-wavpack for fiesty?
[07:15] <Phreakazoid> I keep on seeing "WavPack" mentioned in the docs, but there is no package anywyere
[07:15] <dissection> How come I don't have a .fonts directory? Is that normal?
[07:15] <hexstar> guys, look at the source code for the IE only site, I bet there is js that checks the browser version no? There is an extension for firefox that lets it identify as IE...that should work
[07:16] <burner> dissection: /usr/share/fonts or fonts:// in nautilus
[07:16] <Dhraakellian> hexstar: tried that with both Konqueror and Opera, iirc
[07:16] <Nutubuntu> dissection, you might want to look at http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/09/09/installing-microsoft-fonts/ -- it is mostly about msttcorefonts but has tips on fonts generally. You *ought* to have a .fonts directory; IDK why you would not. See bruner's comment ^
[07:16] <Dhraakellian> or maybe just konqueror
[07:16] <hexstar> Dhraakellian: oh :(
[07:16] <Dhraakellian> but anyway, it didn't work
[07:16] <azslande> Hi, I'm installing Ubuntu on my laptop, and I am trying to setup the partition's, and I am not sure which one to choose. I have a restore partition, and windows already installed. Which option would be best to pick?
[07:16] <Dhraakellian> ja. ):
[07:16] <dissection> Nutubuntu: I did install msttcorefonts already
[07:17] <Falstius> hexstar: some sites don't work in firefox because they really don't work.  There are incompatibilities.
[07:17] <hexstar> Falstius: noooo! :P
[07:17] <regeya> I agree with hexstar Dhraakellian but if you say it doesn't work, it doesn't work...what, does it use an (ugh) activex control?
[07:17] <hexstar> regeya: it must ><
[07:17] <dissection> burner: Yes I have it a fonts directory in /usr/share, so thats where I should put all my Windows fonts? Does it require a restart or are they automatically installed already?
[07:17] <mind_shift> how do I change the splash screen?
[07:17] <regeya> Falstius: I believe hexstar was just offering it as a suggestion, something that *might* work...
[07:17] <mind_shift> splash thing
[07:17] <buck> question is $ and the # symbol the same .. if not how do i get to the # or do i just enter the # before the line
[07:17] <hexstar> regeya: right
[07:17] <burner> dissection: just use nautilus fonts:// to drag & drop fonts...
[07:18] <hexstar> buck: $ means you're a user # means root
[07:18] <azslande> exit
[07:18] <azslande> oops
[07:18] <azslande> lol
[07:18] <Dhraakellian> *installs gkrellm to keep an eye on memory use*
[07:18] <hexstar> lol
[07:18] <Falstius> buck: $ is for normal user, # is for root.  To enter a command as root use sudo.  To get a root shell use sudo su -
[07:18] <buck> ahh .. okay .. open up my root .. cool
[07:18] <regeya> also, xfce4-terminal can't accept the os x keycombo for ellipsis :-}
[07:18] <buck> yeah . i have a 2 root shells open
[07:18] <azslande> so used to using the terminal sometimes i type the commands in chats now...
[07:18] <buck> thank you
[07:18] <buck> duh .. i see it now
[07:19] <hexstar> azslande: ah lol
[07:19] <buck> if i just opened up the root.. would not have asked.. again thanks..
[07:19] <hexstar> buck: np :)
[07:19] <regeya> I need a ONE KEYSTROKE ELLIPSIS :>
[07:19] <hexstar> lol
[07:19] <Dhraakellian> regeya: single-char, you mean?
[07:19] <bobgill> What can I use to convert a .jpg or .png to .svg?? Gimp cannot
[07:20] <Lo_Pan> imagemagick probably
[07:20] <sauvin> What's an svg?
[07:20] <burner> !svg
[07:20] <ubotu> svg is Scalable Vector Graphics, a language used for graphical applications in XML, and a W3 recommendation. SVG Editors: Inkscape, Karbon14
[07:20] <Dhraakellian> hmm... <compose><.><.> =
[07:20] <regeya> Dhraakellian: indeed, since it requires a key*combo* in macos :>
[07:20] <dissection> burner: I went to fonts:/// and dragged and dropped a font there but it didn't show up in that directory
[07:20] <regeya> good call Dhraakellian
[07:20] <burner> dissection, it goes to ~/.fonts :)
[07:21] <zak> bobgill: why would you want to do that? you can use inkscape's vectorization stuff [it might call it "trace"] , but keep in mind SVG is a very different kind of format to jpg/png/gif/...
[07:21] <MrGreencastl1> I have an ATI radeon Xpress 1100, is anti-aliasing supported in ubuntu?
[07:21] <obf213_> maybe i asked this wrong. but is there a way when i remove a package and reinstall it to ahve it be a fresh install and not have any of the previous settings
[07:21] <MrGreencastl1> or anyway to enable it?
[07:21] <NETWizz> How do I check if Ubuntu is Gneuine?
[07:21] <obf213_> completely remove/ purge does not fix this
[07:21] <bobgill> zak: trying to convert a .png icon to .svg for my gnome panel
[07:21] <NETWizz> I cannot find Genuine Check
[07:21] <NETWizz> How do I know my copy isn't pirated?
[07:21] <burner> MrGreencastl1, it is supported, probably already enabled... you can change to add subpixel rendering if you want it to be cooler still
[07:21] <MrGreencastl1> NETWizz, thats a joke right
[07:22] <hexstar> NETWizz: what do you mean? ubuntu is free
[07:22] <burner> NETWizz, it's a problem we all face ;)
[07:22] <sauvin> Bobgill, what zak said is operative. jpg and png are BITMAPPED formats, not vectored.
[07:22] <MrGreencastl1> burner, I want it to make compiz look nicer and smoother
[07:22] <bulmer> obf213 what indicators you have that purging or removing from previous install didnt help?
[07:22] <NETWizz> Well, I downloaded and burned it
[07:22] <dissection> burner: But I don't have a .fonts directory. I checked /usr/share/fonts/truetype and it isn't there anywhere.
[07:22] <NETWizz> Does that mean it isn't Genuine Software?
[07:22] <burner> MrGreencastl1, #ubuntu-effects, btw, use beryl or compiz fusion :)
[07:22] <zak> bobgill: well inkscape may or may not give ok results.. imagemagick might be worth trying [though i don't know if it will do it] .. but they are quite different, so don't expect it to look exactly the same.. and you'll have to tweak many a setting :)
[07:23] <burner> dissection, it creates one when you drag & drop to fonts:// in nautilus
[07:23] <bobgill> ok
[07:23] <MrGreencastl1> burner, thats what I'm using, fusion
[07:23] <hexstar> NETWizz: linux is free, it can be freely distributed and downloaded infinitely
[07:23] <asy> what root password
[07:23] <burner> MrGreencastl1, and your fonts look funny?
[07:23] <Nutubuntu> !root
[07:23] <ubotu> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[07:23] <NETWizz> I didn't think it is free
[07:23] <elite1_> hello
[07:23] <hexstar> linux can never be pirated for that reason
[07:23] <MrGreencastl1> burner, they're fine to me
[07:23] <NETWizz> I thought it was free like in open source
[07:23] <hexstar> NETWizz: it is, trust me
[07:23] <NETWizz> I heard you can buy linux
[07:23] <hypertyper> Bleed: aha! found the problem. xchat-gnome is broken. suggested workaround is to use xchat
[07:23] <obf213_> bulmer
[07:23] <asy> !root
[07:23] <hexstar> NETWizz: linux is free
[07:23] <MrGreencastl1> burner, I just want the cube to be smoother
[07:23] <NETWizz> Why else would stores like Fry's Electronics be selling Ubuntu for $79?
[07:23] <obf213_> i want to re add all my music
[07:24] <zak> NETWizz: you can buy linux, but what you're generally actually buying is tech support
[07:24] <asy> !root
[07:24] <ubotu> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[07:24] <burner> MrGreencastl1, oh, well... that's not so much anti-aliasing
[07:24] <elite1_> kubuntu rules!!!
[07:24] <obf213_> when i open it again. the playlist has the exact same songs it did before
[07:24] <asy> what root password
[07:24] <hexstar> NETWizz: because that's pure profit, they get it for free so they eg to keep all $79 from every sell
[07:24] <obf213_> and the library is exaclty the same.
[07:24] <MrGreencastl1> burner, how so? then what is it that I should do
[07:24] <NETWizz> I think it does cme with support
[07:24] <obf213_> i want to remove it so that when i open it is like the very first time i opened it. and i can re add the library
[07:24] <hexstar> if you lost your root password you can go in single user mode and use passwd to reset it
[07:25] <NETWizz> Hello, welcome to Ubuntu support, my name is Habeeb, can I please have your Ubuntu Serial Number?
[07:25] <burner> MrGreencastl1, get an nvidia or intel ;)  or petition ati/amd to release better drivers... or help the avivo open source ati driver project
[07:25] <bulmer> obf213_, where is the config files like those list you're referring to are stored at?
[07:25] <NETWizz> Then some dude gets in a chat room
[07:25] <Nutubuntu> dear goodness ... Fry's support? well, that explains it, anyone would pay big bucks for that.
[07:25] <albertmk> Sorry for asking it again. I need a software similar to Istanbul. Can anyone help me out?
[07:25] <asy> hexstar, how exactly in konsole
[07:25] <hexstar> NETWizz: linux is free, but some vendors like Ubuntu allow people to purchase support which is what you're seeing
[07:25] <obf213_> bulmer, where would i find this info.
[07:25] <AJ--> lols now its mess up..
[07:25] <AJ--> hahahah
[07:25] <MrGreencastl1> burner, I'm on a laptop
[07:25] <NETWizz> Okay
[07:25] <buck> yeah .. i always consult my FRY"S technician for all my computer woes.. hahahah
[07:25] <burner> albertmk, i use gtk-recordmydesktop
[07:25] <hexstar> asy: you can't do that in konsole
[07:26] <NETWizz> I think it is a big box with a CD probably
[07:26] <Nutubuntu> they're good on stock market tips too
[07:26] <asy> passwd root
[07:26] <obf213_> the whole program is gui so didn't have to create and save any config files manualy
[07:26] <MrGreencastl1> burner, I hate ATI
[07:26] <NETWizz> They are selling Dapper BTW
[07:26] <albertmk> burner, I will try that
[07:26] <bulmer> obf213_, i dont know..which program is this?
[07:26] <NETWizz> Can you belive they sell Dapper Drake
[07:26] <NETWizz> Why would they sell Dapper?
[07:26] <burner> MrGreencastl1,me too, though... i'm in an ati r250 (aka radeon 9000) and it kicks major ass with open source drivers and compiz fusion :)
[07:26] <hexstar> because people are stupid NETWizz and will pay for it
[07:26] <obf213_> exaile... its the gtk version of amarok
[07:26] <matias_> hello
[07:26] <buck> Gnome or KDE they both have pluses and minus' i suppose
[07:26] <asy> passwd: You may not view or modify password information for root
[07:26] <Dhraakellian> s/version/clone
[07:26] <burner> exaile is inspired by amarok, but i'd hardly call it the gtk version
[07:27] <Dhraakellian> ?
[07:27] <hexstar> yes like I said asy you have to reboot in single user mode to do that
[07:27] <zak> obf213_: ??? WHERE!? WHERE!? me want! :)
[07:27] <Nutubuntu> !sudo | asy
[07:27] <ubotu> asy: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:27] <hexstar> asy: http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/How_do_I_reset_my_root_password%3F
[07:27] <lkthomas> hey guys
[07:27] <Dhraakellian> what's the closest equivalent to Amarok under Gnome
[07:27] <Dhraakellian> ?
[07:27] <Dhraakellian> without actually using amarok
[07:27] <obf213_> zak: sudo apt-get install exaile
[07:27] <burner> exaile
[07:27] <burner> !exaile
[07:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about exaile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:27] <lkthomas> I am looking for backports repos, anyone know where could I find it ?
[07:27] <buck> tell me ubotu KDE or GNOME
[07:27] <Dezine> Amarok works under gnome doesn't it?
[07:27] <hexstar> !backports
[07:27] <Dhraakellian> Dezine: yes, it does, but that's not the point
[07:27] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[07:27] <dissection> Do I need to install CrossOver office from its website directly, or is it available in repos?
[07:28] <Dezine> oh ok
[07:28] <obf213_> Dezine i heard it was buggy under ubuntu now
[07:28] <burner> oh well, it's at exaile.org... amarok does work under gnome, but the file select dialog boxes and everything about it is weird qt based ;)
[07:28] <zak> Dezine: yeah but not too well
[07:28] <Dezine> I like songbird myself
[07:28] <lkthomas> thanks hexstar
[07:28] <hexstar> lkthomas: np :)
[07:28] <zak> Dezine: some KDE apps seem to have a lot of fun with gnome's virtual desktops, for example
[07:28] <asy> reboot in single user mode how grub option
[07:28] <Dhraakellian> Dezine: the point is that I'm trying to go without KDE/Qt on this laptop as much as possible so that I can get the full experience and thus tell if Gnome really deserves as much scorn as I've given it in the past
[07:28] <obf213_> looks like exaile is a bust also. it randomly didn't add 8 songs and that is why i am trying to reinstall it.
[07:28] <hexstar> asy: follow the step by step instructions
[07:28] <burner> Dhraakellian, also check out listen... google for 'listen gnome' to find it
[07:29] <Dezine> you can use exaile, looks alot like it
[07:29] <obf213_> guess i'll have to find that config file
[07:29] <buck> dual core = 2 cpus woud you say
[07:29] <sauvin> rest assured that while I have no scorn for gnome, neither do I have any use for it.
[07:29] <Dhraakellian> of the big names, Rhythmbox and Banshee, which is better?
[07:29] <burner> rhythmbox... banshee is mono based and slow
[07:29] <Dhraakellian> okay
[07:30] <Dezine> try songbird, it has a nice gui
[07:30] <compengi> lkthomas, you could also check http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[07:30] <lkthomas> ok
[07:30] <Dezine> yeah
[07:30] <MrGreencastl1> burner, is there any setting manager for ATI cards
[07:30] <Dezine> I'm sure as development advances we'll see a .deb
[07:30] <burner> MrGreencastl1, driconf is the only one i know of
[07:31] <Dhraakellian> think I had too much open
[07:31] <burner> Dezine, lets hope, i've been playing with the 0.3 nightly :)
[07:31] <hexstar> lol
[07:31] <dissection> Anyone? Do I need to download CrossOver from their website, or can I do it from repos so it'll be easier to uninstall?
[07:31] <MrGreencastl1> burner, I want it to look nicer... and I saw anti-aliasing makes it look amazing, so
[07:31] <burner> MrGreencastl1, you using fglrx and xgl to get compiz fusion?
[07:31] <Dezine> burner, according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Songbird there is a bed
[07:31] <Dezine> deb*
[07:31] <arya_ok> yap!!!
[07:31] <Dhraakellian> 512MB RAM with no swap whatsoever
[07:31] <MrGreencastl1> burner, thats what I'm on
[07:32] <burner> Dezine, danke, i'm checking it out now
[07:32] <Dezine> np
[07:32] <Dezine> I needed to install it anyway, new ubuntu install here :D
[07:32] <compengi> dissection, did you check "apt-cache search crossover" ?
[07:33] <umop-apsidn> dissection, you might try googling "crossover ubuntu"
[07:33] <Dezine> had windows on my main pc for awhile but finally ditched it completly
[07:33] <burner> MrGreencastl1, xgl is just slow too... did you search the forums for antialiasing?
[07:33] <asy> banshee repository ?
[07:33] <burner> MrGreencastl1, or #ubuntu-effects?
[07:33] <AJ--> weeeeeeeee im set now..
[07:33] <hexstar> hehe
[07:33] <dissection> compengi: I tried that but it didn't say anything
[07:33] <burner> dissection, see if they have .debs for download
[07:33] <AJ--> now to install the compiz fusion
[07:34] <Dezine> nice, the deb works nicely
[07:34] <compengi> dissection, then it's not available in repos, you should either search the net for .deb file or get source and compile it
[07:34] <burner> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[07:34] <MrGreencastl1> burner, Its not that its slow, it runs fine. Its just that the lines don't look nice on the cube, as in you can see where the pixels are separating  (hard to explain)
[07:34] <hexstar> what is compiz fusion?
[07:35] <MrGreencastl1> burner, Its just very very obviously aliased
[07:35] <AJ--> ty burner
[07:35] <dissection> compengi: The file I'm downloading is an .sh file. Will that be difficult to uninstall if I don't want it? I've had trouble with installs before. I don't want to end up manually hunting down files and delete them
[07:35] <umop-apsidn> can someone drop me a clue on how to set my desktop resolution to something that isn't listed in the config file? i did it before, but i can't recall what the file was :P
[07:35] <burner> MrGreencastl1, yeah, sorry, got me... I bet it's and upstream compiz issue moreso than anything specific to you
[07:35] <Dezine> is there a way to convert a nrfs drive to something linux friendlier?
[07:35] <Dezine> ntfs*
[07:36] <burner> umop-apsidn, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the file... sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg helps you reconfigure that file
[07:36] <hexstar> dezine: you could try gpart
[07:36] <sauvin> Dezine, not if you want Windows to still run on it.
[07:36] <umop-apsidn> burner: thanks for the info :)
[07:36] <burner> Dezine, gparted is the package name
[07:36] <Dezine> I don't need windows to run on it
[07:36] <hexstar> what is compiz fusion?
[07:36] <burner> !compiz | hexstar
[07:36] <ubotu> hexstar: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:36] <sauvin> then copy what you need from it and trash it.
[07:36] <Dezine> I run windows in vmware when I need it, which is only for photoshop
[07:36] <hexstar> yes but what is the fusion part? :P
[07:36] <Dezine> but even then I'm learning gimp
[07:36] <umop-apsidn> Dezine, what exactly are you wanting to do to it? more importantly, is there a windows os on that partition?
[07:36] <hexstar> !compiz fusion
[07:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compiz fusion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:36] <burner> hexstar, basically the remerging of beryl & compiz
[07:37] <hexstar> oh
[07:37] <Dezine> No, no windows. don't want to have to mount it and such when I use it
[07:37] <burner> fusion == beryl fun plugins
[07:37] <hexstar> ah
[07:37] <hexstar> thanks burner
[07:37] <Bleed> Writing fire on your screen owns
[07:37] <Bleed> lol
[07:37] <hexstar> lol
[07:37] <Dezine> I had windows which is why it was ntfs
[07:37] <sauvin> You can mount it automatically the same way your current drives mount, you know.
[07:37] <Dezine> but I don't anymore
[07:37] <Bleed> compiz fusion OWNS if you have the graphics card for it
[07:37] <burner> Dezine, use ext3 :)
[07:37] <Bleed> ext3 all the way
[07:37] <hexstar> sauvin: you can't reliably write to ntfs in *nix tho
[07:38] <Bleed> Windows can read ext3 with support
[07:38] <Bleed> Go with it ;)
[07:38] <sauvin> hexstar, people recently have been telling me that's no longer true.
[07:38] <hexstar> huh
[07:38] <Bleed> :|
[07:38] <sauvin> Windows can do WHAT!?
[07:38] <Dezine> No need for windows support.. got tired of things crapping out so I ditched it
[07:38] <hexstar> lol
[07:38] <burner> windows can write ext3 with fs-driver.org
[07:38] <Bleed> fs-driver.org
[07:38] <Bleed> yea
[07:38] <burner> Dezine, good man :)
[07:38] <burner> Dezine, or woman... whatever :)
[07:38] <Dezine> lol
[07:38] <Dezine> man
[07:38] <hexstar> freebusdriver.com
[07:38] <sauvin> Oh, MAN, that's just WRONG.
[07:39] <umop-apsidn> burner, i'm curious. with my nvidia 6600, should i be running vesa, or nv?
[07:39] <Dezine> either way it works on, xp runs in vmware rather nicely if I must use it
[07:39] <burner> umop-apsidn, neither... nvidia is the binary fast non-free but uber fast one
[07:39] <burner> umop-apsidn, nv is better than vesa... vesa is the basic, only-if-nothing-else-works, driver
[07:39] <Dezine> works out*
[07:39] <hexstar> umop-apsidn: framebuffer
[07:39] <hexstar> :D j/k
[07:39] <burner> !nvidia | umop-apsidn
[07:39] <ubotu> umop-apsidn: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:39] <sauvin> Hey... that reminds me... firefox crashes when i try to download a flash plugin. any ideas?
[07:40] <umop-apsidn> which would the ubuntu installer have hit me with, right off the 7.04 x86 live disk?
[07:40] <burner> sauvin, get flashplugin-nonfree package
[07:40] <dissection> If I install Windows XP in VMware, do I run the risk of getting infected by windows viruses?
[07:40] <sauvin> Burner, that crashed on me to.
[07:40] <burner> sauvin, or ubuntu-restricted-extras is even better still
[07:40] <hexstar> sauvin: try running it in terminal so that errors are made visible when it crashes
[07:40] <somedrew> sauvin, grab it from the repos, or straight from adobe
[07:40] <burner> sauvin, or as somedrew suggests, direct from adobe and put it in ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[07:40] <sauvin> Adobe is what I used in Fedora; it seemed reasonable enough. There's no deb for it?
[07:40] <function1> can anyone confirm: feisty's php5 was not compiled with dbase support?
[07:41] <hexstar> function1: you should be able to with phpinfo()
[07:41] <umop-apsidn> dissection, only to a certain extent. the virtual machine will only have as much access as you allow it. if you have writable shares... then yes, you could become a danger to other windows users on your network
[07:41] <burner> sauvin, flashplugin-nonfree package in apt should do the trick!
[07:41] <sauvin> Burner, I'll try it, but I swear it either crashed or refused to play youtube clips.
[07:41] <function1> hexstar: i dont see dbase... :(((((( just was hoping to be proven wrong
[07:41] <hexstar> oh
[07:42] <burner> sauvin, you're using feisty correct?
[07:42] <sauvin> correct.
[07:42] <burner> sauvin, all should be well :)
[07:42] <sauvin> 24 bit colour depth with hardware acceleration on the ATI Radeon enabled.
[07:42] <asy> how launch fsck.ext3 on boot on sda1
[07:42] <asy> runlevel ?
[07:42] <dissection> umop-apsidn: Is it possible to run Windows XP in VMware without allowing it to use my internet connection so I have only internet access in Linux but not Windows thats running at the same time.
[07:43] <hexstar> asy: make a script that does that in /etc/init.d
[07:43] <umop-apsidn> dissection, yes. you can simply not enable the network adapter for that virtual machine
[07:43] <sauvin> Let me guess: you fear Windows vulnerabilities :D Out of the box, how secure is feisty?
[07:43] <umop-apsidn> dissection, alternatively, you could set up a firewall and a static address for the windows virtual machine, and not allow that static address access through the firewall
[07:44] <asy> hexstar, bash script
[07:44] <jonphilpott> is anyone here running ubuntu on a laptop with a ricoh rl5c475 cardbus bridge?
[07:44] <hexstar> asy: right
[07:44] <umop-apsidn> sauvin, how many virii even run in linux, much less function?
[07:44] <AnAnt> hello, I am download ISO images for ubuntu
[07:44] <umop-apsidn> last i heard, it was *2*
[07:44] <jonphilpott> i have such a bridge in a laptop, but no cards power up on insertion.
[07:44] <asy> i have no script
[07:44] <umop-apsidn> and they only worked in older kernels
[07:44] <AnAnt> how do I check the GPG signature for MD5SUMS.gpg ?
[07:44] <hexstar> !gpg
[07:44] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts
[07:45] <compengi> does anyone know any application that can draw mathematical functions?
[07:45] <sauvin> umop-apsidn, none that I know of, but I was thinking more in terms of other kinds of attack.
[07:45] <umop-apsidn> sauvin, i don't think there's anything to worry about with a solid firewall between me and the world
[07:45] <hexstar> the firewall could be misconfigured :D
[07:46] <umop-apsidn> of course, if i do something that an unknown someone on an irc channel tells me to, i might have some issues...
[07:46] <sauvin> Nope. Crash.
[07:46] <Dhraakellian> grargh
[07:46] <hexstar> Dhraakellian: ?
[07:46] <Dhraakellian> so I went to edit the sources.list on the liveCD
[07:46] <umop-apsidn> hexstar: most hardware firewalls have a default block-all rule for incoming. not to mention that NAT totally messes things up :)
[07:46] <Dhraakellian> I think my gentoo muscle memory is still there
[07:46] <hexstar> umop-apsidn: true :)
[07:46] <NETWizz> Is Beryl Dead?
[07:47] <Dhraakellian> I had gotten to "sudo vim /etc/portage/package." before I caught myself
[07:47] <zak> compengi: i haven't used any, but i'd imagine quite a few could
[07:47] <NETWizz> I hear Compiz Fusion is the way to go
[07:47] <Dhraakellian> NETWizz: BSD is
[07:47] <Dhraakellian> netcraft confirms it!
[07:47] <burner> compengi, extcalc
[07:47] <AnAnt> hexstar: that doesn't tell about checking the signature of Ubuntu's ISO images
[07:47] <somedrew> NETWizz: Beryl and Compiz have merged into Fusion
[07:47] <AnAnt> hexstar: I just want to know where to get their GPG key
[07:47] <AnAnt> somedrew: when ?
[07:47] <hexstar> AnAnt: oh sorry, don't know
[07:48] <umop-apsidn> hmm, that sucks.
[07:48] <function1> do packages only get added to repos on a new rls?
[07:48] <NETWizz> Does Ubuntu support Fusion?
[07:48] <jayde_drag0n> can anyone assist me with a weird torrent issue... complete newbie.. but former windows user and still a windows sys admin and tech support... so that being said... i am trying to download some shows i watch... my former client of choice was azureus... which i found i could have in ubuntu.. downloaded.. and installed everything going fine.. started screaming in... then poof... 0 on everything.. no speed.. wouldn't connect back up...
[07:48] <umop-apsidn> i just overwrote my /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:48] <somedrew> AnAnd: recently. In terms of an official release: I think the past month or two?
[07:48] <compengi> burner, it doesn't exist in repos
[07:48] <somedrew> AnAnt: it's been in the works for a while though
[07:48] <AnAnt> somedrew: is that going to hit gutsy ?
[07:48] <hexstar> jayde_drag0n: is the port open on teh firewall?
[07:48] <burner> compengi, bummer.. it's in gutsy
[07:48] <sauvin> Getting the flash player from Adobe means using a .tar.gz. Is this evil?
[07:48] <ubuntuserver> hey
[07:48] <hexstar> umop-apsidn: you have a backup right lol?
[07:48] <somedrew> AnAnt: not sure, I can check quickly to see if it's there
[07:48] <ubuntuserver> mysql error
[07:49] <jayde_drag0n> hexstar: thats what i said.. yes ports are open for customers
[07:49] <lmosher> Someone I know has had trouble installing Ubuntu. He has the following hardware: 1.4 ghz celeron , 256 ram, 32 mb TNT2, 30 gb HD. When he starts up the install (he got the free CD shipped to him), it says something like "there was an error starting the GNOME settings daemon". What should I tell him to do?
[07:49] <umop-apsidn> no, i ran dpkg... whatever that script was, and could find no way to exit out of it
[07:49] <umop-apsidn> so i just wiped out my stuff
[07:49] <hexstar> uh oh lol
[07:49] <mattchewie> Anyone run "uhsare" on ubuntu?
[07:49] <burner> !info extcalc | compengi
[07:49] <ubotu> compengi: Package extcalc does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:49] <burner> bummer
[07:49] <|c4|> can anyone help me with getting new "splash screens" installed?
[07:49] <compengi> =/
[07:49] <sauvin> lmosher, the first problem I see with that kind of machine is that RAM may not be sufficient.
[07:49] <mattchewie> cause I'm trying to instlal it on edy and its eating my soul :D
[07:49] <burner> !splash-screen
[07:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about splash-screen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:49] <mattchewie> *install
[07:50] <jayde_drag0n> hexstar: and also of note azurueus connected to over 30 seeds per download... bittornado and bittorrent see less than 4
[07:50] <somedrew> AnAnt: Compiz is still listed, but compiz-fusion-plugins-* is as well...
[07:50] <|c4|> boot screens, what have you.....
[07:50] <umop-apsidn> oh, hey, it automagically made me a backup. convenient.
[07:50] <Nutubuntu> ubuntuserver,  might not be anyone here who's a MySQL guru but there is a #mysql chan, might be a better shot
[07:50] <umop-apsidn> so i'm not dead now :)
[07:50] <lmosher> sauvin: But would that result in an error message like that? I mean sure performance won't be stellar, but people have run gnome boxes with 256 before, I'm sure.
[07:50] <MKKOY> ping
[07:50] <nix> !grub
[07:50] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:50] <ubuntuserver> DBI:connect failed:Can't connect local Mysql server throught socket /var/run/mysqld.sock (2)
[07:50] <AnAnt> somedrew: ok, thanks
[07:50] <MKKOY> ping me
[07:50] <nix> !grub | nix
[07:50] <ubuntuserver> how to repair this
[07:50] <hexstar> umop-apsidn: glad to hear :)
[07:51] <AnAnt> where can I get the GPG key used for signing ubuntu's ISO image MD5SUMS ?
[07:51] <mattchewie> Or I would accept anyone that happens to be running a Upnp service that will connect to both PS3 and XB360 :D......
[07:51] <hexstar> Imosher: when linux runs out of mem it starts killing oldest processes, it probably killed gnome in this case
[07:51] <ubuntuserver> is there some want know how to repair this ?
[07:51] <ubuntuserver> DBI:connect failed:Can't connect local Mysql server throught socket /var/run/mysqld.sock (2)
[07:51] <varun0> !windows
[07:51] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[07:51] <jayde_drag0n> AHAHAHAH thats a very funny bot
[07:51] <varun0> heh
[07:52] <hexstar> lol
[07:52] <mattchewie> ineed, very funny
[07:52] <|c4|> does anyone know anything about splash screens?
[07:52] <mattchewie> *indeed
[07:52] <varun0> yea I wanted to see what it would say :-D
[07:52] <mattchewie> !ushare
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ushare - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <hexstar> !apple
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apple - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <hexstar> !mac
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <mattchewie> !dlna
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dlna - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <lmosher> hexstart: There was another system he tried it on that has a Duron 1.3ghz w/ 384 ram and he got the same error. 384 should be enough... 256 isn't rediculus... if you can't even get the -install- going on that, that's pathetic. Ubuntu isn't a bloat OS.
[07:52] <ubuntuserver> !mysql dbi
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mysql dbi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <hexstar> aw :( :P
[07:52] <jayde_drag0n> awww
[07:52] <sauvin> Oh... the adobe flash plugin isn't something to build... it's a prebuilt...
[07:52] <ubuntuserver> !mysql dbi
[07:52] <varun0> !bill gatesa
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bill gatesa - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <burner> |c4|, usplash or the gnome splash screen?
[07:52] <varun0> !bill gates
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bill gates - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <Dezine> !cheese
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <Dezine> lol
[07:52] <ubuntuserver> DBI:connect failed:Can't connect local Mysql server throught socket /var/run/mysqld.sock (2)
[07:52] <Dezine> you're not living then
[07:52] <Dezine> so sad
[07:52] <varun0> !rms
[07:52] <ubotu> rms is Richard Matthew Stallman, founder of the GNU project. See !gnu and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
[07:52] <jayde_drag0n> if i say the pr0n word will it boot me?
[07:52] <varun0> !linus
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <hexstar> !linus
[07:52] <burner> varun0, you may msg the bot in private too :P
[07:52] <hexstar> !linus
[07:53] <hexstar> !linus
[07:53] <|c4|> burner- gnome splash screen. i just want to change the regular ubuntu load
[07:53] <hexstar> ????
[07:53] <varun0> burner: oh....my bad :-$ I guess I got carried away
[07:53] <somedrew> sauvin: up, just unpack into the proper directory and you're good to go :)
[07:53] <hexstar> !linus
[07:53] <TaJMoX> @linux
[07:53] <TaJMoX> !botabuse
[07:53] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[07:53] <ubuntuserver> DBI:connect failed:Can't connect local Mysql server throught socket /var/run/mysqld.sock (2)
[07:53] <AJ--> waaaaa wat happen i follow instructions installing compizfusion then my border are gone
[07:53] <Nutubuntu> ubuntuserver,  could you maybe ask over in #mysql instead of asking here every 30 seconds? just a thought.
[07:53] <AnAnt> where can I get the GPG key used for signing ubuntu's ISO image MD5SUMS ?
[07:53] <ubuntuserver> NUbuntu i can't get acces to mysql
[07:53] <umop-apsidn> |c4|, you can do that in the administration -> login menu
[07:53] <somedrew> AnAnt: I'm looking at the downloads page...but am not seeing it listed
[07:54] <burner> |c4|, there's an app in add/remove to do just that... search for splash screen in add/remove
[07:54] <jayde_drag0n> awww its a virgin bot!!!
[07:54] <hexstar> lol
[07:54] <lmosher> I'll ask again. Friend got the ubuntu CD shipped to his house now he get's an error: "there was an error starting the GNOME settings daemon". He has 384mb ram - that should be enough. Any ideas why the install fails there?
[07:54] <Nutubuntu> Hm.
[07:54] <hexstar> !areyoumarried
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about areyoumarried - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <burner> umop-apsidn, he's talking splash screen, not login screen
[07:54] <|c4|> kk. i just wasnt able to find. thanks
[07:54] <umop-apsidn> my bad
[07:54] <jayde_drag0n> i'm asking the bot naughty questions in IM
[07:54] <hexstar> lol
[07:54] <somedrew> AnAnt: is the md5sum not good enough? (good question though, i've never bothered to check the sig, just the message digest)
[07:54] <burner> |c4|, make sure in the top right it says "all available applications" when you search
[07:54] <ubuntuserver> exit
[07:54] <hexstar> !are you married?
[07:55] <burner> !botabuse | hexstar
[07:55] <ubotu> hexstar: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[07:55] <AnAnt> somedrew: ok, nevermind
[07:55] <|c4|> burner- i got it. ty
[07:55] <TaJMoX> any ubuntu questions that need to be answered?
[07:55] <sauvin> !!!!!
[07:55] <lmosher> TaJ: yes
[07:55] <lmosher> TaJMox: I'll ask again. Friend got the ubuntu CD shipped to his house now he get's an error: "there was an error starting the GNOME settings daemon". He has 384mb ram - that should be enough. Any ideas why the install fails there?
[07:56] <sauvin> The flash player from the Adobe site is the WAY TO GO.
[07:56] <jayde_drag0n> (10:55:37 PM) jayde_drag0n: do you like sex
[07:56] <jayde_drag0n> (10:55:37 PM) ubotu: (do <channel> <action>) -- Performs <action> in <channel>.
[07:56] <burner> |c4|, np :)
[07:56] <varun0> lmosher: is there any other error message?
[07:56] <hexstar> lol
[07:56] <sport> I had no clue until moments ago that irc was its own protocol.
[07:56] <burner> TaJMoX, run the "check cd for errors" ?
[07:56] <sauvin> wtf is it about Ubuntu that everything runs so damn much FASTER!?
[07:56] <lmosher> varun0: It's a forum post, that's all the information I have to go on :(
[07:56] <TaJMoX> lmosher: there was probably more of an error than just that
[07:57] <TaJMoX> that doesnt seem like a common error ... therer was probably more to it
[07:57] <varun0> lmosher: can you link me the forum post?
[07:57] <jayde_drag0n> hexstar: well anyway can you think of an answer to my downloading issue?
[07:57] <derekson> is there anyone can shoot me a pownce invite?
[07:57] <burner> sport, welcome to 1997, enjoy yourself
[07:57] <ding0k> on a dapper server -- I just installed the gcc package and it can't compile..is this a known issue? Is there something special I have to do?
[07:57] <lmosher> TaJMoX: Ok, I guess I can ask, but is there anything to try? it's an older machine... duron 1.3 w/ 384ram..
[07:57] <hexstar> jayde_drag0n: not sure what is going on sorry
[07:57] <umop-apsidn> burner, try 89 or so
[07:57] <TaJMoX> burner: i remember being on irc back in 1995
[07:57] <burner> TaJMoX, use the alternate install cd to get it installed :)
[07:58] <lmosher> varun0: It's a priv forum, sorry :(. that's all he says though "there was an error starting the GNOME settings daemon" ..
[07:58] <somedrew> ding0k, did you only install gcc? Did make some along with it?  The 'build-essential' metapackage should bring along most things you'd ordinarily need for compilation
[07:58] <ding0k> build-essential, thanks
[07:58] <varun0> lmosher: hm. I'm wondering if he installed (all of) gnome correctly?
[07:58] <umop-apsidn> i can recall using version 5 or 6 of mirc in 92-93... and the first *public* release of that client was 1.9
[07:58] <burner> varun0, it's via livecd
[07:58] <grim> someone able to explain to me how gdm works the first boot, then fails to start every boot after that, then i add the horizsync and vertrefresh it works by hand, i reboot and it does the same old lock up the machine dance?
[07:59] <grim> btw, this is a fresh install of fiesty
[07:59] <lmosher> varun0: He's just trying to get the installer going. He said "I have goten close to being able to get to the install screen, but there was an error message:... " He's not really trying to do anything special as far as I know.
[07:59] <burner> grim, bad drivers?  try using vesa?  is it nvidia? try nv drivers?  ati? try ati drivers?
[07:59] <somedrew> grim: when you change the sync and refresh values....to they remain on reboot?
[07:59] <ding0k> somedrew: wow, it's broken?
[07:59] <lmosher> varun0: I think the issue is his machine cannot boot the liveCD
[07:59] <grim> burner: it's been ati the entire time
[07:59] <grim> also, if i run x with 'X' it comes up fine
[07:59] <Nutubuntu> lmosher,  why not try the alternate cd, or the minimal?
[07:59] <somedrew> ding0k, is it letting you know what the conflict is?
[08:00] <varun0> burner: I'm confused. When does he get the message? When trying to run the LiveCD? While installing? AFter installing?
[08:00] <grim> somedrew: considering i edited xorg.conf... i'd say yes
[08:00] <sauvin> What kind of ATI?
[08:00] <burner> lmosher, or start with xubuntu and get ubuntu-desktop metapackage after xubuntu is up and running :)
[08:00] <grim> all in wonder something or other...
[08:00] <ding0k> somedrew: libc-dev, g++
[08:00] <lmosher> Nutubuntu: He can't download, so he ordered the CD on ubuntu.com, that's all he's got
[08:00] <grim> the driver isn't the problem, if it was X wouldn't come up at all and i'd get an error about no screens found
[08:00] <lmosher> varrun0: As far as I know he got the message when booting the liceCD.
[08:00] <burner> grim, you can always try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and change things till it works
[08:00] <somedrew> ding0k, did you install those from the official repos?
[08:00] <varun0> lmosher: hm
[08:00] <hexstar> lol licecd
[08:01] <burner> grim, oh, that's what I assumed you got ;)
[08:01] <grim> burner: that's what i've been doing, i'm not afraid of config files :P
[08:01] <ding0k> somedrew: I don't have any nonofficial repos in my sources.list
[08:01] <varun0> is he thrown to a CLI?
[08:01] <burner> grim, so what's the gdm issue?  are your resolutions ordered from highest to lowest?
[08:01] <lmosher> varun0: But he hasn't posted the details, I think for now I"ll just ask him for calrification... Maybe he got it booted and it failed during install, but I have a feeling it's failing during the livecd boot.
[08:01] <lmosher> Varrun0: CLI?
[08:01] <spehrm> can anyone shoot me a pownce invite please?
[08:02] <varun0> lmosher: sorry. Command Line Interface. The command prompt
[08:02] <hexstar> ewww sperm
[08:02] <spehrm> heh
[08:02] <hexstar> lol
[08:02] <grim> burner: it hard locks the machine.  i grabbed the rates from an xorg log, and then ran gdm by hand and it came up fine, i then rebooted into normal mode (was in recovery) and it hardlocked again
[08:02] <lmosher> varun0: No idea, but I would imagine so since he got that text error... that's usually how it works.
[08:02] <umop-apsidn> what's a pownce invite?
[08:02] <spehrm> Pownce is a program, invite only.
[08:02] <somedrew> ding0k, argh. There really shouldn't be a conflict: many people will have gcc and g++ installed together. What about uninstalling those, installing build-essential, refreshing your package list, and trying to reinstall libc-dev and g++ after that (or just upgrade/downgrade libc-dev & g++ as required)?
[08:03] <spehrm> Instant messaging, like twitter.
[08:03] <umop-apsidn> spehrm, would you care to elaborate?
[08:03] <burner> grim, wow, got me
[08:03] <umop-apsidn> ah, thanks
[08:03] <varun0> lmosher: what if he types startx?
[08:03] <spehrm> I need an invite to Pownce...
[08:03] <lmosher> varrun0: Again, no idea. I don't really know the guy this is actually a game forum and he just ordered the CD, got that error and posted to complain that Linux isn't easy :)
[08:03] <hexstar> !pownce invite
[08:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pownce invite - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:04] <varun0> lmosher: LOL. Well it's a little difficult to help second hand :-)
[08:04] <lmosher> varun0: I appreciate your help, but I can see that I really just need more info before I can do something. If it's not a common error I'll see if I can't get him to give me all the details. Thanks! :)
[08:04] <sauvin> yupyupyup, the flash plugin from the Adobe site rules.
[08:04] <varun0> lmosher: no problem. sorry I couldn't be of more help
[08:05] <Helmi> hi guys
[08:05] <burner> sauvin, got the new beta that use gtk dialogs and rightclick menus?
[08:05] <hexstar> hi
[08:05] <grim> even better, i have usable ranges in my xorg log, and i don't get crap...
[08:05] <ding0k> somedrew: nope...
[08:05] <ding0k> somedrew: I uninstalled everything -- build essential still won't install
[08:05] <sauvin> dunno about "beta", but it does have right-click menus.
[08:05] <NETWizz> I hear you guys are working on Tribe
[08:05] <Helmi> i just installed kubuntu gutsy and i'm wondering how to get compiz-fusion to running - i'm using a Nvidia Geforce 6200 - can anyone help with this?
[08:05] <NETWizz> the code nmae for Gusty Gibson?
[08:05] <hexstar> Tribe?
[08:05] <hexstar> !Tribe
[08:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tribe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:05] <somedrew> ding0k, is it letting you know what the problem is, or which packages conflict with it?
[08:05] <umop-apsidn> Helmi, try joining #compiz-fusion
[08:05] <burner> sauvin, gtk right click?  or weird, doesn't-look-like-other-right-click, menus?
[08:05] <Helmi> umop-apsidn: thanks
[08:06] <umop-apsidn> Helmi, np
[08:06] <ding0k> somedrew: libc6-dev, which depends g++.
[08:06] <sauvin> they look like Motif right-click menus, sorta kinda.
[08:06] <burner> NETWizz, tribe 3 is out... #ubuntu+1
[08:06] <somedrew> ding0k, does build-essential want a newer or older version of libc6-dev (mehates any libc problems...)
[08:06] <mrhavi> anyone know the best way to remote desktop in to ubuntu with vista?
[08:07] <burner> mrhavi, i like nomachine.com software
[08:07] <sauvin> Erm... VNC?
[08:07] <hexstar> haha I remember when I compiled and installed libc from source...completely hosed the system
[08:07] <burner> mrhavi, or vnc as sauvin suggests, but vnc isn't encrypted
[08:08] <hexstar> mrhavi: ssh
[08:08] <NETWizz> what is Ubuntu +1
[08:08] <NETWizz> What does that mean
[08:08] <ding0k> somedrew: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.4) but 2.4-1ubuntu12 is to be installed
[08:08] <hexstar> it means the value of ubuntu +1
[08:08] <sauvin> My girlfriend used vnc from her Mac to learn a bit of AutoCAD from my Windows machine (when I still had one)...
[08:08] <mrhavi> hummm it seams we have diff opinions
[08:08] <hexstar> ssh is good
[08:09] <mrhavi> good as in..
[08:09] <burner> ssh is good in that it's encrypted, but no gui makes it not as cool as nomachine.com
[08:09] <sauvin> that's because we have different experiences and different ways of looking at things. What's wrong with trying them all and deciding for yourself what's good?
[08:09] <mrhavi> because i have 30 min
[08:09] <NETWizz> Okay
[08:09] <NETWizz> When does the next LTS come out?
[08:09] <sauvin> 30 minutes before somebody turns into a pumpkin?
[08:10] <hexstar> NETWizz: lts?
[08:10] <mrhavi> soo ssh?
[08:10] <mrhavi> if i am good in commands
[08:10] <hexstar> mrhavi: if you don't need gui use ssh, else if you need gui use vnc
[08:10] <sauvin> ssh won't give you a GUI. It's all text.
[08:10] <grim> ubuntu - 1
[08:10] <Leb2> :)
[08:10] <somedrew> ding0k, I'm checking now to see what can be done. Are you familiar with aptitude at all? It's a front-end to apt and has the _best_ resolver around IMHO. If you do a 'sudo aptitude install build-essential', it should inform you of what can be done to resolve the conflict
[08:10] <grim> that's all i have to say right now..
[08:10] <grim> actually should be - 999
[08:10] <hexstar> lol
[08:10] <mrhavi> thankyou
[08:10] <ding0k> somedrew: I'll give it a shot
[08:10] <mrhavi> all
[08:10] <grim> i just had gdm running correctly from recovery mode, i rebooted and it hardlocks the machine...
[08:11] <hexstar> what does lts stand for?
[08:11] <hexstar> !lts
[08:11] <ding0k> somedrew: oh!
[08:11] <hexstar> !lts
[08:11] <umop-apsidn> somedrew, what is your opinion of synaptic, then?
[08:11] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[08:11] <Nutubuntu> hexstar,  longterm support version
[08:11] <hexstar> oh
[08:11] <varun0> does anyone know of a newsreader that supports downloading from multiple servers? or multiple downloads from the same server?
[08:11] <hexstar> the bot is ignoring me now... :P
[08:11] <Typwn> Hello all.
[08:11] <sauvin> varun0, I think I used pan for that.
[08:12] <varun0> sauvin: do you know where the option for multiple servers or downloads is? I couldn't find it :-\
[08:12] <ding0k> somedrew: mod_python is broken in dapper, I had to install off the edgy repo...and that must have upgraded this other stuff...because now aptitude wants to downgrade.... I can't get rid of mod_python, that's essential... so I guess I'm between a rock and a hard place -- mod_python or a C compiler, which will it be? hehe.
[08:12] <Nutubuntu> jealous probably... did you use an exclamation point while you were flirtin^H^H^H^H^H^H talking with someone else?
[08:12] <hexstar> lol
[08:12] <sauvin> No, I don't. It's been a long time since I've been involved with the NGs.
[08:13] <ding0k> somedrew: I have to say, for all the "ease" people talk about associating ubuntu I've had some serious problems.
[08:13] <varun0> sauvin: word. thanks anyways!
[08:13] <ding0k> somedrew: mod_python and the C compiler aren't exactly "out there" = /
[08:13] <somedrew> umop-apsidn, synaptic's not my cup of tea only because aptitude's 1) resolver and 2)wild-card matches.
[08:13] <grim> hahahhahahhahahahah it's the freaking splash screen...
[08:13] <grim> so yeah ...
[08:13] <grim> ubuntu -<PHONE_NUMBER>
[08:13] <hexstar> lol
[08:13] <umop-apsidn> somedrew, i don't understand what you mean by resolver, but as for the matching, i have no issues with the search button in synaptic
[08:14] <slacker> gday
[08:14] <hexstar> what does apt resolve?
[08:14] <sauvin> umop-apsidn, having regex capability is a powerful thing for searches :)
[08:14] <slacker> I'm having problems rebooting. it just won't do it
[08:14] <ding0k> umop-apsidn: he means resolving dependency problems, not searching for packages.
[08:14] <somedrew> ding0k, re: mod_python: yeah. That's the issue. mod_python is definately not out there. The problem is mixing repos from different versions. My suggestion would be to install mod_python from upstream and to not get it from the Edgy repos. Is it available in backports at all?
[08:14] <umop-apsidn> sauvin, sorry, that's above my head
[08:15] <hexstar> slacker: what do you mean? like the gui never quits or does it just never power off but you do exit out of the gui?
[08:15] <umop-apsidn> ding0k, uhm... it seems to grab all the dependencies for me?
[08:15] <sauvin> oh, man, you really need to discover the POWER of the Dark Side... learn some perl! Or, if not that, how about some sed?
[08:15] <ding0k> umop-apsidn: well, read my above conversation with somedrew for an example of when apt didn't and aptitude did.
[08:15] <grim> sauvin: last i checked perl could do everything sed can and then some
[08:15] <hexstar> you can use perl to search for packages with apt?
[08:15] <slacker> hexstar: I type 'reboot' or 'shutdown -r now' and it comes up with the broadcast message that it's shutting down but it doesn't do it
[08:15] <ding0k> somedrew: agh, I'm scared to ditch my version that works, hehe.
[08:15] <umop-apsidn> ding0k, this channel is too big to be scrolling, but i'll shut up anyways ;)
[08:16] <grim> it's is the freaking splash screen... what in the hell..
[08:16] <somedrew> ding0k, Ubuntu does have some nice ease, but perhaps a 'rolling release' may be better suited for your purposes (keeping up-to-date software), if it's only an issue with mod_python...that's a pain
[08:16] <grim> bootsplash or whatever ubuntu is using is a piece of trash
[08:16] <sauvin> Sed is just a stream editor.  Have you ever flashed your bios?
[08:16] <xcess> Hey, when I try to delete file from my desktop in Ubuntu, it says "Error file not found", it has been doing this since past 5 days only? Any solutions??
[08:16] <slacker> hexstar: might be important to know that I just downgraded from feisty to edgy (I know, one isn't supposed to do that)
[08:16] <somedrew> ding0k, you could always file a bug about mod_python. sorry about the issue
[08:16] <ding0k> somedrew: well, I've moved entirely to opensuse on my desktop and laptop -- quite a pleasure to use. I filed a bug 8 months ago, and it got deleted.
[08:16] <slacker> hexstar: pc is a few weeks old
[08:16] <tehtechman> Im a gentoo user and just installed ubuntu on my sis-in-laws comp...  what packages do i need to install to make totem play all the formats that it can?  is there one meta package or a bunch or lil ones?
[08:16] <grim> huh, scripting language as an os... novel idea, but the concept falls apart at the first step of implementation
[08:17] <tehtechman> never used totem b4
[08:17] <theblue> grim: seems kind of tenuous to me.
[08:17] <sauvin> I said "almost".  I can only assume that the downgrade broke something critical, you might try doing ctrl+fx when doing the reboot seqeunce to see if any behind the scenes errors are logged
[08:17] <ding0k> somedrew: I thought that when I migrated my server farm from debian to ubuntu I'd get a more polished experience :)
[08:17] <theblue> grim: well, with the current state of computing, anyway.
[08:18] <theblue> grim: recall that many home computers of the 80s used a BASIC interpreter as their 'OS'
[08:18] <hexstar> O_O
[08:18] <somedrew> ding0k, argh...really? Sucky. libc version issues are always a major headache. What you may have to do is to install your own versions of either gcc or mod_python. But I definately agree that the conflict should not be present in a realase version that's frozen for so long
[08:18] <slacker> hexstar: the problem is I can't just switch it off. it's not in reaching distance :/
[08:18] <sauvin> theblue, almost. The OS was resident in ROM, and the BASIC interpreter was the primary (or even only) interface with it.
[08:18] <grim> theblue: no... they had these things called boot loaders... and command interperters that were not written in their respective languages
[08:18] <hexstar> theblue: so you HAD to program to get it to do anything?
[08:18] <hexstar> slacker: oh...
[08:18] <tehtechman> anyone what what packages I need to install to make totem usable?
[08:19] <ding0k> somedrew: It's LTS for god sakes. I'm not supposed to be concerned with this.
[08:19] <theblue> sauvin, grim: ah, right, it's been a while since i used those.
[08:19] <theblue> hexstar: usually there was also commercial software on cartridges, casettes, or disks.
[08:19] <hexstar> slacker: well it'd probably be best to be in reaching distance when troubleshooting this, else get a remote rebootable power strip
[08:19] <somedrew> ding0k, it's kinda funnny though because Ubuntu will sync up with Debians packages for a release. Re: LTS: agree completely. Was there no indication of why the bug was dismissed? Have you come across anyone else documenting this issue at all?
[08:19] <sauvin> I used to love to hack those computers :>
[08:20] <dedi> i have a really high cpu ussage on my xorg (80-90%), only one screen and tried diffrent drivers. what could cause that?
[08:20] <hexstar> dedi: adware
[08:20] <grim> i still love how ubuntu is supposed to be easier to configure than debian, and i'm doing more work trying to get this install working than all the work i put into any debian machine to get it fully functional
[08:20] <slacker> hexstar: well it's not *that* far away but I thought I try here before I head off
[08:20] <hexstar> slacker: ah, well the only real way as I see it to try and troubleshoot is to actively check the logs for errors as it shuts down
[08:21] <theblue> hexstar: but i remember when you could buy software in books, and you'd manually type in hundreds of lines of BASIC.
[08:21] <ding0k> somedrew: it's only a bug with a particular part of mod_python -- If you're using PSP (python server pages) and you reference the "session" global (which is a dictionary that is stored in the client's browser cookies -- it's a transparent sessions implementation) then the whole thing craps out. It's not like all of mod_python is broken, it's just a bug in that version.
[08:21] <hexstar> theblue: wow!
[08:21] <tehtechman> grim: i know... I really should have went with debian for my sisinlaw instead of ubuntu
[08:21] <ding0k> somedrew: I'm pretty sure the package maintainers didn't really know what i was talking about...
[08:21] <ding0k> somedrew: so they did the easiest thing and deleted it
[08:21] <ding0k> somedrew: twice.
[08:21] <dedi> hexstar: dont think i have that, its a new installation
[08:21] <sauvin> theblue, how do you think I learned to type? It wasn't in school, that's a fact! :D
[08:21] <grim> tehtechman: this is for my mom, and what's worse is, her wireless card is "supported" in ndis, but is causing soft locks...
[08:22] <Nutubuntu> Gnight all
[08:22] <theblue> sauvin: i know, i learned to type before i could read, which i learned of my IBM 8088 clone.
[08:22] <hexstar> sauvin: haha!
[08:22] <ding0k> somedrew: unfortunately the session global is one of the most neat features of PSP, and I use it pretty frequently.
[08:22] <theblue> at the age of either 2 or 3.
[08:22] <mycelph> Hey how do you get two screens working i ubuntu
[08:22] <tehtechman> grim: oh man... im not good as wifi.  U know what i need to apt-get to make totel usable?
[08:22] <theblue> no one can say the 8088 never helped anyone.
[08:22] <grim> mycelph: the same way you do in any distro :P
[08:22] <slacker> hexstar: maybe I'm lucky enough and it won't even boot up after reset. that'll make live easier ;)
[08:23] <hexstar> slacker: lol
[08:23] <mycelph> Well wheres the settings for it then????
[08:23] <sauvin> The 6502 taught me about 90% of everything I know about computers at the hardware level :)
[08:23] <grim> tehtechman: it's apt... but you were saying...
[08:23] <hexstar> theblue: learned to type at 2? wow!
[08:23] <somedrew> ding0k, frustrating. Well I guess you could try to install your own package of it in parallel with the already installed one, see if it works, and switch over then...or find a distro that can suit your needs (Ubuntu shoud..it's a shame that it doesn't in this case). I'm not familiar at all with session global, but if it's important for you then you shouldn't need to compromise between it and a damn compiler
[08:23] <hexstar> !info totel
[08:23] <ubotu> Package totel does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:23] <theblue> hexstar: well, it was hunt-and-peck for about 6 years.
[08:23] <hexstar> ah
[08:23] <hexstar> I still do that now :P
[08:24] <ding0k> somedrew: as for your comment about backports..where would you suggest I go looking?
[08:24] <theblue> comes easier to some people than others.
[08:24] <tehtechman> grim: srry my spelling is slipping.  You know what packs I need to make Totem usable.  It seems like it cant play anything.
[08:24] <hexstar> !backports | ding0k
[08:24] <ubotu> ding0k: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[08:24] <slacker> alright. off to the den of evil
[08:24] <grim> tehtechman: try another part of apt, apt-cache search totem
[08:24] <ding0k> somedrew: edgy or dapper's backports
[08:25] <hexstar> !info totem
[08:25] <somedrew> ding0k, http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper-backports/ (there's also a repo for it, backports is an official repository)
[08:25] <somedrew> ding0k, dapper's backports
[08:25] <ubotu> totem: A simple media player for the Gnome desktop (dummy package). In component main, is optional. Version 2.18.1-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 44 kB
[08:25] <mrhavi> does anyone of the remote desktop clients login to the standard remote software that comes with ubuntu?
[08:25] <somedrew> ding0k, not edgy's because there's that libc upgrade and dapper's on the old version
[08:26] <hexstar> mrhavi: vnc
[08:26] <ding0k> somedrew: well, then no, it's not in dapper's backports
[08:26] <tehtechman> welp... no info here i guess.  I'll have to ask the almighty google for about 30 minutes
[08:26] <somedrew> ding0k, you can request it (on launchpad)
[08:26] <hexstar> !launchpad
[08:26] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[08:26] <sauvin> I was never able to use totem, either, but that's not a big deal because mplayer and xine can play damn near anything.
[08:27] <mrhavi> thanks hex
[08:27] <ding0k> ..hexstar you're so helpful it's almost annoying. ;)
[08:27] <obf213> does anyone know how to change meta data on mp3 files.
[08:27] <sauvin> Totem-XINE!?
[08:27] <grim> obf213: easytag
[08:27] <hexstar> ding0k: lol
[08:27] <somedrew> saucisson, oh yeah! It's available and does away with gstreamer
[08:28] <ding0k> somedrew: Does dist-upgrade actually work? What if I just pitched the whole thing to edgy
[08:28] <the_padawan> how can i blacklist a module?
[08:28] <hexstar> gonna go, later
[08:28] <somedrew> ding0k, in my personal experience: If you don't have many custom packages it's really nice
[08:28] <chovy> how come when I boot into KDE i get a nice screen, but after I login it goes to hell?
[08:28] <grim> alright, debian is going on here tomorrow, i need sleep and i'm getting the same lame errors after removing splash from the default kernel options and running update-grub
[08:28] <ding0k> somedrew: always a caveat...what is a "custom package"
[08:28] <chovy> toow ide
[08:29] <sauvin> Chovy, what do you mean by "goes to hell"?
[08:29] <chovy> its too wide...like trying to run as 4:3 instead of 16:9 (but only after I enter username/password.
[08:29] <somedrew> ding0k, lol...yeah, with everything. Custom as in a self-compiled or self-installed package not from Ubuntu's official repos. They may not necessarily cause an issue, but there is some potential (i'm overstating this a bit, but don't want to give you any false dilusions)
[08:29] <chovy> the initial KDE prompt looks great
[08:30] <ding0k> somedrew: all my packages are from the official.
[08:30] <chovy> and now when I go itno Monitor & Display, it gives error
[08:30] <somedrew> ding0k, if you install all of your custom packages into /usr/local/ everything will be fine (apt won't touch that directory)
[08:30] <infbliss> hi all is it possible to have decent fonts in ubuntu
[08:30] <somedrew> ding0k, then dist-upgrade can be your best friend! Say hello to updated apps and kernel
[08:30] <ding0k> somedrew: the problem is that I'm two timezones away from this machine right now, so I don't want to screw anything up. lol.
[08:30] <chovy> "orphaned control module"
[08:30] <onur> hello, does anyone know a resolution for the API mismatch problem while installing the newest NVidia binary drivers ?
[08:31] <somedrew> ding0k, I feel that.
[08:31] <ding0k> somedrew: so what's the procedure? Just replace "dapper" with "edgy" in my sources.list?
[08:31] <sauvin> You're certain apt won't touch /usr/local?
[08:31] <jeamie> join #debian-zh
[08:31] <AJ--> anyone knows how can i enable compiz fusion at startup???
[08:31] <jeamie> #join debian-zh
[08:32] <jeamie> quit
[08:32] <onur> AJ--: how do you enable manually ?
[08:32] <jeamie> #quit
[08:32] <somedrew> sauvin, apt should not mess with /usr/local at all (it's designed that way so you can install your own apps there without worrying about conflicts)
[08:32] <theblue> jeamie: /join #debian-zh
[08:32] <sauvin> Somedrew, that's precisely what I wanted to hear and never knew.
[08:32] <somedrew> sauvin, glad to help!
[08:32] <AJ--> onur: compiz --replace  <--- this
[08:32] <radioaktivstorm> hello, where can i obtain the python-daap package?
[08:33] <onur> AJ--: put that line to the session startup programs from preferences menu then
[08:33] <tehtechman> Apparently to make Totem actually usable after the default install... you have to apt-get a bunch of gstreamer0.10 packages.
[08:33] <somedrew> ding0k, yup. That and do a couple rounds dist-upgrade & upgrade just to make sure everything is pulled in.
[08:33] <sauvin> Tehtechman, something similar is true of mplayer - you need to download a PILE of codecs.
[08:33] <onur> AJ--: that's how you ensure any program starts with your login. But if you want to make the program starting globally
[08:34] <AJ--> y is it that my borders are gone?
[08:34] <onur>  AJ-- I mean for all users, that's another story
[08:34] <somedrew> ding0k, if I remember correctly, edgy started to replace the init system with startup, so you'll definately need to do 2 dist-upgrades (one for everything but upstart, the second for upstart)
[08:34] <onur> AJ--: reload compiz
[08:34] <grim> oh look another ubuntu - 10000, i can't update-alternatives vi to vim...
[08:34] <grim> lame
[08:34] <onur> hello, does anyone know a resolution for the API mismatch problem while installing the newest NVidia binary drivers ?
[08:34] <tehtechman> sauvin: never had that prob under debian or gentoo with mplayer.  i think ubuntu an totem are conspiring to piss me off
[08:35] <somedrew> grim, isn't vi just a symlink to vim anyways?
[08:35] <sauvin> dunno about "conspiring" - I had to download some "special" junk to play my commercial DVD movies.
[08:35] <grim> somedrew: it's looking like it.. i assumed ubuntu would have installed full vim... how dumb of me..
[08:35] <ding0k> somedrew: even in server?
[08:35] <tehtechman> oh well... live and learn i guess.
[08:36] <somedrew> ding0k, yup: upstart is Ubuntu's own new{ish} init system and it will be grabed the second time just to help avoid upgrade issues
[08:36] <AJ--> onur: its still same.. i dont have borders..
[08:36] <wubinoobi> guys... i'm about 80 percent done with a wubi ubuntu install; does anyone have any comments about ubuntu installed the wubi way? tips, suggestions, etc...?
[08:37] <somedrew> grim, should be the full version (not sure if it's 7.2 though...oh so nice and an easy compile)
[08:37] <onur> AJ--: that's a historical problem. what can I say, search the forums then
[08:37] <ding0k> somedrew: That sounds vaguely familiar -- great..another new thing I have to learn.
[08:37] <panfist> hi, im running a fresh install of feisty and everything seems to be working fine, but i can't / dont know how to see shared folders over the network, hosted on win xp machines
[08:37] <grim> somedrew: it's vim.tiny with a stock install
[08:37] <onur> panfist: you have to configure  your samba from /etc/samba/smb.conf
[08:38] <onur> panfist: default permissions does not allow it, search the forums for details please
[08:38] <somedrew> grim: just looked and there is a 'vim-full' package available
[08:38] <RoboBlaster> I did a bad thing.  I installed Ubuntu on my external HD and didn't realize my BIOS doesn't allow booting from a USB drive and now I get an error 21 and can't boot Windows nor Ubuntu.
[08:38] <ding0k> somedrew: so if this doesn't work and I'm one less server, where do you live so I can come cut your head off? :)
[08:38] <wubinoobi> don't really understand if wubi installs parallel or if ubuntu is 'inside' windows?
[08:38] <grim> somedrew: yeah, like i said, "how dumb of me to assume it'd be installed by default..."
[08:38] <dissection> In Linux, when you type a url into the browser, is the DNS automatically cached, or that something I need to setup manually?
[08:38] <grim> that implies that it exists..
[08:39] <onur> dissection: that's a browser specific question I guess
[08:39] <sauvin> wtf is "wubi", anyway?
[08:39] <onur> dissection: also regardless of your browser, your ISP is prolly caching it
[08:39] <RoboBlaster> what can I do, if anything?
[08:39] <somedrew> ding0k, Currently: an Island in the south pacific :) Hey! I never told you to upgrade to Edgy. But to help sooth you...the only time a dist-upgrade has failed for me  (once out of ~30) was because of a crappy laptop dsdt issue with the kernel
[08:39] <panfist> i have already installed/configured samba according to http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_Samba_Server_for_files.2Ffolders_sharing_service , i have added a network user, and when i try to mount the drive, or connect it still says permission denied
[08:39] <dissection> onur: I remember in Windows there is a hosts file that contains the url and the IP it points to.. Was wondering if there's something like that in Linux too
[08:40] <dissection> onur: My ISP is horrible. My IP does not even resolve :[
[08:40] <wubinoobi> wubi is an ubuntu installer .exe file at sourceforge
[08:40] <grim> dissection: /etc/hosts
[08:40] <onur> panfist: dunno, but it is sure you are missing something on the conf file. Also have you restarted samba after editing the file ?
[08:40] <somedrew> grim, K, sorry: it's only a single disc though...not much room to put everything on it.
[08:40] <dissection> grim: thanks :)
[08:40] <wubinoobi> i was hoping to find others who might have installed this way here
[08:41] <onur> dissection: yes there is, errr something like resolv.conf or similar stuff in /etc/ can't remember though
[08:41] <dissection> onur: Okay I'll look it up.
[08:42] <grim> yay, this is completely unusable for my use case... if i logout to go back to gdm, i get my good old friend the out of range error
[08:42] <somedrew> wubinoobi, I don't know much at all about wubi...but what I do know is that it mounts a loopback Ubuntu within windows
[08:43] <panfist> onur, yes, i did restart the samba daemon. hold on, i will try to get at a network drive again so i can get the output...
[08:43] <somedrew> wubinoobi: wubi has a forum @ ubuntuforums.org if you want more information
[08:45] <sauvin> hee hee... according to http://wubi-installer.org, Wubi is "discrete".
[08:45] <tupa> Hey, I updated the hardware clock and now I get this error: sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jul 21 06:43:07 2007
[08:45] <ding0k> somedrew: here goes...
[08:45] <tupa> how can I fix that problem?
[08:45] <somedrew> ding0k, good luck!
[08:46] <tupa> sudo touch doesn't work :(
[08:46] <somedrew> tupa: sudo -k
[08:46] <somedrew> tupa, that should erase the timestamp
[08:46] <tupa> ok, thank you :)
[08:46] <somedrew> tupa, did it work?
[08:47] <tupa> mmmm
[08:47] <tupa> nope
[08:47] <panfist> I just tried doing "sudo mount //networkcomp/afolder /media/sharename/ -o username=netcompuser,password=mypass" and the response was, "cli_negprot: SMB signing is mandatory and we have disabled it. 5189: protocol negotiation failed. SMB connection failed."
[08:47] <somedrew> tupa, ok what about 'sudo -K'
[08:48] <ding0k> somedrew: btw, you made some reference to aptitude being the best at resolving -- have you tried smart? I use it in opensuse and it seriously the sweetest thing I've ever had the pleasure of using.
[08:48] <tupa> no somedrew, sudo -k is the timestamp stuff, but it didn't work, neither sudo -K
[08:48] <tupa> I checked the man
[08:48] <wubinoobi> somedrew: kool, i went out for a smoke. thanks for the info
[08:48] <tupa> -k invalidates the timestamp