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[00:00] <cr3> cheerio folks!
[00:07] <psusi> I believe the current status is that the init scripts time out waiting for the root fs, and then before dropping the user to the initramfs prompt, try to activate the raid array degraded... that only works for the root fs, not other degraded arrays
[00:07] <psusi> instead the degrading should be done plug and play via udev
[00:10] <psusi> the volume holding luks should be identified by udev/blkid as such and decrypted, and then udev/blkid should identify the contents of the luks volume as a raid component
[00:13] <psusi> I would think that if human intervention is required for luks anyhow, that enabling automatic boot to degraded mode would not make sense anyhow
[00:17] <psusi> afaik, blkid identifies a device as a raid component, and that triggers udev to invoke mdadm --incremental, which activates the array if all devices are found already
[00:18] <xnox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReliableRaid
[00:18] <xnox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootDegradedRaid
[00:19] <xnox> psusi, hello 0/ =)
[00:19] <psusi> o/
[00:19]  * psusi beats the icecast server
[00:23] <psusi> the low level kernel disk driver IO error is probably unimportant... the important part is when mdadm notices the error and fails the disk, and when it does that, it normally sends root an email about the event, but ubuntu typically has no mail server installed so that falls into /dev/null
[00:25] <psusi> no, drive registration order is not at all consistent
[00:25] <psusi> that's why we moved to using UUIDs in /etc/fstab
[00:26] <xnox> ok
[00:27] <psusi> that sounds like a bug in udev/blkid
[00:27] <psusi> udev/blkid should identify the partition as a luks container so it won't get assigned a fs UUID and won't be mounted directly without going thorugh mdadm
[00:29] <xnox> ok.
[00:29] <psusi> I wonder... if he was using the whole disk as a raid component instead of a partition, that could trigger it
[00:29] <xnox> the notifications will be handled as part of the 'Degraded Hardware Notifications' spec which i'm driving
[00:29] <psusi> since blkid may identify sda as a raid component, but sda1 still gets identified as a luks volume or fs and accessed without mdadm
[00:30] <xnox> psusi: interesting
[00:30] <psusi> that seems related to an issue I've kind of felt should be changed for a few years now... that being that the kernel partition code should be removed and udev should handle it so it can do things like NOT recognize partitions when the raw disk is part of a raid array
[00:31] <xnox> there were some bugs about 'leftover' metada which doesn't match what was suppose to be assembled correctly
[00:31] <xnox> ok.
[00:32] <psusi> there is scsi enclosure services... if the hardware suppors SES, then there is a /sys way to make a light blink to identify a drive, you just have to map from /dev/sda to the enclosure slot
[00:32] <psusi> iirc, there was a question on askubuntu or unix&linux lately about how to do this with a good answer
[00:32] <psusi> same thing ;)
[00:33] <xnox> I will monitor askubuntu about raid/lvm stuff =)
[00:40] <psusi> bingo!
[00:40] <psusi> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/36915/locate-disk-in-sas-enclosure
[00:44] <psusi> could you try to speak more towards the mic please?
[00:50] <psusi> did someone move the mic?  I can't hear anything now
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[19:14] <bobweaver> can you turn up the mic I can not hear you
[19:18] <bobweaver> QUESTION: Hello I am upstream dev ,People on debian want too get yell and scream about software and "Yet another program that ubuntu is not sharing" but then when you go to submit things too them. they yell at you make you feel like trash and tell you that you are no-good. the policy is old and out of control How too deal with that ?
[19:25] <bobweaver> Thanks !
[19:32] <bobweaver> quickly is still broken >
[19:32] <bobweaver> ?
[19:36] <carif> QUESTION: what's the "trello board"?
[19:39] <carif> got it, ty
[19:39] <dpm> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20413/community-q-upstream-outreach/
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[21:02] <drag0nius> guys, how do i log into Ubuntu Server locally while i have TS3 server running on startup?
[21:02] <BluesKaj> crazyharry, for what it;s worth buy an external drive that is either USB3 or sata
[21:02] <zak_> imbezol: ok hold on please :)
[21:02] <imbezol> zak_: you could also do (assuming your group name is also zak) "sudo chgrp -R zak /MP3"
[21:02] <imbezol> zak_: that will fix the group ownership
[21:03] <trism> angs: you may have better luck for support in #ubuntu-arm but if you just need the headers for that kernel: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-3.2.0-26-omap; should do it
[21:03] <crazyharry> BluesKaj, I dont think the PowerEdge 2900 supports USB 3.0 , just USB 2.0
[21:03] <crazyharry> its a dell server where the Ubuntu is running
[21:03] <trism> angs: I don't know what the meta package is for omap
[21:03] <zak_> imbezol: ok hold on please
[21:04] <angs> trism: thank you
[21:05] <BluesKaj> crazyharry, you can buy an ordinary hdd then buy a separate enclosure for it , I have 2 and they work great
[21:05] <zak_> imbezol: yes works great :) thank you very much :)
[21:06] <imbezol> zak_: np. just to double check.. what's the output of "grep -i mp3 /etc/fstab" ?
[21:06] <crazyharry> BluesKaj, sure if it for my home, this is for office, I dont think my boss will like patched up things ;), so you think the 4TB My book studio II will work fine with Linux ?
[21:07] <zak_> imbezol: /dev/disk/by-id/ata-HDT722520DLAT80_VD051GTF084TGL-part4 /MP3                 ext3       acl,user_xattr        1 2
[21:07] <imbezol> zak_: ok. that's probably fine.
[21:07] <BluesKaj> crazyharry,  http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=HDD+sata+Enclosures&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=WBW&channel=fs&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1120&bih=478&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=17180773876213341914&sa=X&ei=917zT--DI8LdqgGb04nmAw&ved=0CKIBEPMCMAE
[21:07] <BluesKaj> oops
[21:08] <BluesKaj> forgot to install tiny url
[21:08] <zak_> imbezol: is there any way to set that partition as rot in a sense that nobody has the right or can delete/create any fle /folder unless he must be a su ?
[21:08] <crazyharry> BluesKaj, please send me a complete product
[21:08] <imbezol> zak_: what's the output of "ls -ld /MP3" ?
[21:09] <crazyharry> recommend :-D
[21:09] <drag0nius> isnt there some magic key combination that takes me to login in ubuntu server?
[21:09] <drag0nius> or opens second terminal/whatever?
[21:09] <zak_> imbezol: drwxr-xr-x 151 zak root 12288 Jul  3 19:49 /MP3
[21:09] <imbezol> zak_: so that means only zak (or root) can modify the contents, but anyone can read them
[21:09] <BluesKaj> crazyharry, you can  find one on your own  just look for sata usb3 exyernal drives
[21:10] <ignacio> hola
[21:10] <ignacio> necesito ayuda muy profesional
[21:10] <ignacio> pero muy profesional
[21:10] <ignacio> algien me puede ayudar?
[21:12] <zak_> imbezol: sorry got disconnected
[21:12] <zak_> imbezol: but i can delete files , eventhough i am not a superuser ! stange
[21:12] <imbezol> zak_: only as the user "zak" because you own the files
[21:12] <imbezol> zak_: if you logged in as another plain user, you could not delete the files
[21:12] <imbezol> zak_: it's probably best that way so you can manage the music collection
[21:13] <imbezol> zak_: ie.. delete songs you don't want anymore, add songs, etc
[21:13] <imbezol> zak_: the chown command is "change owner" and we changed it to zak
[21:13] <zak_> imbezol: even if it is me  i dont  wanna be able to delete files only if iam a su, the aim, is i want to be risk free to delete files ''accidently''
[21:14] <imbezol> zak_: then you should change them back to root
[21:14] <zak_> imbezol: then amarok will not be able to read the mp3 :/
[21:14] <imbezol> zak_: if the directory is rwxr-xr-x as you posted, and owned root and group root, you can still read them
[21:14] <kosher> Jordan_U: I just installed and booted FreeBSD 9 without any issues.
[21:15] <subz3r0> hi folks
[21:15] <imbezol> zak_: try this... "sudo chown -R root:root /MP3 ; find /MP3 -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; ; find /MP3 -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \;"
[21:15] <zak_> imbezol: trust me i was able before the change we made i wonder if i can set permission to the whole partition as  root , and as user  for files to be able to  play them in amarok
[21:15] <U-b-u-n-t-u> I am using gnome classic and I want to remove empathy, but when I try to do that it says I have to remove gnome-core... why?
[21:15] <imbezol> zak_: then they will all be owned by root, but readable by anyone
[21:16] <imbezol> zak_: actually.. need sudo on each step
[21:16] <imbezol> zak_: run three separate commands
[21:16] <zak_> imbezol: chmod: changing permissions of `/MP3/Space Art/Space Art 1977/Space Art 1977': Operation not permitted
[21:16] <subz3r0> have a small issue with my netbook... sometimes when i boot the system, i can not set the FULL brightness which the netbook supports... (used the fn-keys) when i reboot again, it works. any suggestions what that could be? Its rly annoying... :/
[21:16] <imbezol> zak_: "sudo chown -R root:root /MP3", then "sudo find /MP3 -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \;" , then "sudo find /MP3 -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \;"
[21:18] <zak_> imbezol:
[21:18] <zak_> zak@linux-zak:~> sudo chown -R root:root /MP3", then "sudo find /MP3 -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \;" , then "sudo find /MP3 -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \;
[21:18] <zak_> chown: invalid option -- 't
[21:18] <imbezol> zak_: just do the part inside the quotes one at a time
[21:19] <imbezol> zak_: there are three separate commands there, each starting with sudo
[21:19] <OerHeks> zak those are 3 commands
[21:19] <zak_> ah ok :)
[21:19] <zak_> sorry :/
[21:21] <zak_> imbezol: 1st ans 2nd  command work great but i got nothing for the last one
[21:22] <zak_> imbezol: yes now it is  done
[21:22] <imbezol> zak_: that's fine.. it won't output anything unless it has problems
[21:22] <zak_> imbezol: i should have waited some sconds since i got more than 10000 mp3 :)
[21:22] <imbezol> zak_: try rescanning your collection with amarok now
[21:22] <zak_> imbezol: ok hold on
[21:23] <jase_> hi getting major crashes on ubuntu 11.10 whats the best way to check logs to try and find out whats happening
[21:24] <zak_> imbezol: works great ,) i can not delete files as user from that partition, and amarok plays them all :)
[21:24] <Kevino> hello if i running 3.2.14 ppa kernel, which version would be the current upstream vervion?
[21:24] <Kevino> version*
[21:25] <imbezol> zak_: good stuff
[21:25] <zak_> imbezol: thank you very much man :)
[21:25] <imbezol> zak_: np. :)
[21:25]  * zak_ thinks he  has a loooooooooooooooot of things to learn in linux :)
[21:26] <zak_> what is the strange while moving from windows to linux is the feeling you get that you are quite unable to manipulate linux command line ../ and i hate that feeling :/
[21:28] <zak_> but i loooooooooooooover linux :)
[21:28] <qhartman> Has anyone else running chrome on 12.04 noticed weird behavior since 20 came out? I'm having trouble with the amazon cloud player and the AWS S3 interface specifically. I've also noticed a few cases of things seemingly not rendering correctly on random other sites.
[21:28] <ratcheer> zak_: We all do.
[21:29] <U-b-u-n-t-u> Can I remove empathy without removing gnome-core?
[21:29] <zak_> ratcheer: heh :) the pb is the day you decide to migrate from  windows to linux ,  that day , you have to leave back  all what one learned in windows , and start the new experience  from the start :)
[21:30] <zak_> anyone , thank you guys for all  your efforts :) imbezol thank you very much again , bye
[21:30] <fozilla> qhartman: I have only had problems with some flash sites
[21:32] <qhartman> fozilla, okie, thanks for the input.
[21:35] <Jordan_U> kosher: If I made you a CD image would you be able to try booting it and doing some tests?
[21:35] <stefan> Hi
[21:35] <kosher> Jordan_U: sure, no problem
[21:35] <stefan> Did anyone use xubuntu
[21:36] <kosher> Jordan_U: that would be great actually.  What's on it?
[21:36] <ratcheer> stefan: Not I.
[21:36] <Shano56> hey..is the person i was just talking to on query here? :)
[21:37] <kristenREUHREO> hi, I have a ssh shell on a remote linux computer, from a linux computer. What would be the easiest way to get a graphical interface (sort of vnc or teamviewer) from there ?
[21:37] <danub> hey all. is there a way to make ssh logins quicker? i seem to have a 5 second delay between putting in my username and when i get prompted for a password
[21:37] <Jordan_U_bak> kosher: Super GRUB2 Disk beta, which is based on GRUB 2.00.
[21:37] <kosher> Jordan_U_bak: excellent...
[21:38] <Miguelito> Hey I notice that when I play C&C online that it takes over my audio and even when I close it I dont get my audio back for other sources - any suggestions
[21:38] <Jordan_U_bak> kosher: I'm on a terrible connection at the moment, so I may drop out (and it's why I'm using two different nicks, one is my persistent client from my computer at home, the other is webchat from where I am now).
[21:38] <BluesKaj> kristenREUHREO, by remote do you over the internet or on a local network ?
[21:38] <BluesKaj> do you mean
[21:39] <kristenREUHREO> BluesKaj: over the internet, through the already active ssh connection
[21:39] <kosher> Jordan_U_bak: no worries.  Is there a link I can grab it from, or do you have to build it up?
[21:39] <kosher> Jordan_U_bak: in case your connection nukes and I have to bail, I am going to message you my email.
[21:39] <Miguelito> I shouldnt have to restart to restore my audio...
[21:40] <kristenREUHREO> kristenREUHREO: something simple, that doesn't require restarting the remote computer, nor using a new ssh connection
[21:41] <danub> hey all. is there a way to make ssh logins quicker? i seem to have a 5 second delay between putting in my username and when i get prompted for a password
[21:41] <Shano56> is there a command to open a folder/directory in terminal ?
[21:41] <danub> Shano56: you mean graphically? or just get into the directory?
[21:42] <beandog> danub: it's probably hanging on some authentication method.  If you wanna pastebin output of 'ssh -v <foo>' we can look at it
[21:42] <Shano56> graphically
[21:42] <Shano56> i know you can cd to change to that directory, just trying to open the directory
[21:42] <danub> beandog: im using putty from a windows system to connect to my home linux system
[21:42] <beandog> danub: oh. -__
[21:42] <beandog> well then I dunno
[21:43] <danub> Shano56: beats me. never tried doing that
[21:43] <danub> beandog: ill try it from a different machine at work
[21:43] <OerHeks> Shano56, " nautilus ~/Documents/ " opens the folder as you like
[21:43] <kristenREUHREO> so as anyone set up vnc or any similar remote desktop software successfully before ?
[21:44] <Miguelito> No suggestions for restoring audio?
[21:45] <danub> beandog: you were right. its trying publickey authentication
[21:45] <Jordan_U_bak> kosher: http://jordanu.dyndns.org/tmp/super_grub2_disk_hybrid_2.00s1~git.iso First try the "List devices/partitions" option and tell me what happens (assuming that you get to a proper grub menu).
[21:45] <joallard> How do I name a kernel something else than -custom?
[21:45] <BluesKaj> kristenREUHREO, you could try ssh  -X in the comman string
[21:45] <Miguelito> okies guess i will reboot
[21:45] <kosher> k grabbing
[21:46] <kosher> then grubbing ;)
[21:46] <kristenREUHREO> BluesKaj: that doesn't provide a remote desktop view, but just the ability to run graphical software remotely
[21:47] <danub> brb, going to see if turning off pub worked
[21:48] <kosher> ok download finished
[21:49] <schultza> im having a problem with cups not talking to windows after a reboot (im guessing a shutdown of windows and it's printer is causing this issue)... but i'm here to see if anyone knows of this issue
[21:49] <danub> nope, that didn't fix it
[21:49] <schultza> first is this the channel for cups troubleshooting?
[21:50] <danub> if it is cups specific, try ##cups
[21:51] <schultza> thank you
[21:51] <danub> anytime
[21:52] <ejv> Hello, I'm running apcupsd on 10.04 LTS, kernel version 2.6.32-41-server, and my dmesg is filled with "Control queue full" messags. `apcacces` is not responding, and I'm unable to restart the service via upstart or init.d. What do I do to fix this?
[21:53] <danub> ejv: manually kill it and start it?
[21:54] <ejv> it won't respond to a kill -9
[21:54] <lip> sudo?
[21:54] <danub> does it say <defunct> nex to it?
[21:54] <ejv> ps aux: root     28392  0.0  0.0  21456   708 ?        Ds   21:49   0:00 /sbin/apcupsd
[21:55] <danub> and a 'sudo kill -9 28392' wont kill it?
[21:55] <ejv> using sudo or su to root to kill the process both do no work
[21:55] <ejv> correct
[21:55] <danub> do a 'ps -ef|grep 28392'
[21:55] <danub> maybe its attached to another process
[21:56] <ejv> it returns my grep command and the /sbin/apcupsd line
[21:57] <danub> ok, no parent. hmm... aside from a reboot, not sure what you can do
[21:58] <ejv> yea i've tried that when I first noticed it, it just starts happening again almost immediatley
[21:58] <danub> k, gimme a sec
[21:58] <ejv> and I can't keep cycling the server, I have several VM's and database daemon's running, can't afford the downtime
[21:59] <danub> have a problem with your UPS?
[21:59] <demifuror> guys, can brasero burn dual layer dvds? mine stopped at 50% and went to finializing...been stuck on that screen for 15 mins or so?
[21:59] <ejv> without the apcaccess, I can't monitor the brick
[21:59] <danub> if you do 'acpaccess status' do you get anything back?
[22:00] <ejv> yes: Error contacting apcupsd @ localhost:3551: Connection refused
[22:00] <danub> lol
[22:00] <ejv> this was working *several* kernel versions ago, probably last year.
[22:00] <ejv> circa 10.04.2 or .3... I don't remember.
[22:01] <ejv> if this is some systemic failure of 10.04 in general, I will schedule the downtime and bump to 12.04, perhaps a 3.0+ kernel will fix this?
[22:01] <danub> ok, i found an article about this problem, gimme a sec to finish reading it
[22:02] <ejv> else, if this is a low level USB comms failure (I have no idea how to troubleshoot at the USB hardware level) I will order a replacement board. I just need to be sure.
[22:02] <ejv> or if it's the brick, I can order a replacement for that... sigh.
[22:03] <danub> ejv, what is the kernel version your running?
[22:03] <ejv> < ejv> Hello, I'm running apcupsd on 10.04 LTS, kernel version 2.6.32-41-server
[22:03] <danub> hmm, ok , hold a few more seconds
[22:04] <Gremlyn> hi all, I have two 10.04.4 LTS servers, one old and one new, and I am intending to rsync from old to new (migrating to a new hosting company). both servers are fully up to date as of right now, but each is listing a different kernel, and my efforts thus far have been unsuccessful to bring either server on to a new kernel version. I have the new kernel installed, and even seems like it is the only installed kernel, but I can't get iehter to USE
[22:04] <ejv> i would ask in #ubuntu-server, but that chan is worthless, nobody ever talks there.
[22:05] <Gremlyn> ^
[22:05] <raven> how to write a script that counts the time between two times grep finds a keyword in a textfile?
[22:05] <ejv> Gremlyn: that actually wasn't directed at you, just my frustration with my current problem. Sorry.
[22:05] <Gremlyn> no no, I was just agreeing with you :)
[22:05] <ejv> ah :)
[22:06] <ejv> by the way Gremlyn, your qestion got cut off after "USE"
[22:06] <|Long|> hi have anyone here used irssic apps?
[22:06] <ejv> s/qestion/question/
[22:06] <danub> ejv: do you have apccontrol running? i see the 10.04 version referenced alot in these articles i'm coming across
[22:06] <Gremlyn> raven you could  echo $time > file; grep whateverl echo $time >> file
[22:06] <ejv> I have no idea what apccontrol is, so I don't think so
[22:07] <Gremlyn> ejv, "USE the new kernel" was the rest
[22:07] <danub> ejv: 'locate apccontrol' and see if you get any results.
[22:07] <Gremlyn> raven, s/whateverl/whatever;/ :)
[22:08] <Gremlyn> raven, obviously you would need to define what $time is
[22:08] <ejv> there are some docs and config files for apccontrol, but it's not running if it's a binary
[22:09] <ejv> Gremlyn: are the servers identical in terms of hardware? a dist-upgrade should align them to the same version (theoretically)
[22:10] <danub> raven: between 2 in the same file or in multiple files?
[22:10] <Gremlyn> ejv, they are virtual servers on different hosts
[22:10] <Gremlyn> so likely not 100% identical
[22:11] <Gremlyn> I tried dist-upgrade
[22:12] <danub> ejv: haven't come across a solution for it yet. its related to either a USB disconnect (try disconnecting the USB UPS,power down, move to a different port, and reboot?) and/or 10.04 (try upgrading?)
[22:12] <dalek_> PLEASE Need Help/Advice!!   If I install NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.35-pkg1.run according to the instructions given by nvidia here - http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-173.14.35-driver.html - is it going to work with Ubuntu 12.04? Since it is now impossible to install nvidia driver 173 from the additional hardware app...
[22:12] <ejv> Tue Jul 03 00:15:07 UTC 2012  apcupsd 3.14.6 (16 May 2009) debian startup succeeded
[22:12] <ejv> Tue Jul 03 21:49:05 UTC 2012  apcupsd exiting, signal 15
[22:13] <ejv> so it was online and working for about 22 hours... then failed. :\
[22:13] <raven> Gremlyn how does that command work?
[22:13] <Gremlyn> ejv, tells me everything is up-to-date
[22:14] <danub> raven: checking time between greps for words in the same file or multiple files?
[22:14] <ejv> Gremlyn: kernel version is less significant than your software versions (in my opinion), perhaps you're being too cautious?
[22:14] <Gremlyn> ejv, entirely possible?
[22:14] <raven> danub i produce this word with watch periodically and i now need to switch from watch to an intelligent script
[22:14] <Gremlyn> this is my first server migration
[22:15] <Gremlyn> dalek_, can't install it through normal proprietary drivers install on 12.04?
[22:15] <ejv> Gremlyn: what packages do you rely upon?
[22:15] <Gremlyn> basic lamp stuff
[22:15] <danub> raven: perl would probably be your best bet, but i still don't quite understand what you are trying to do
[22:15] <raven> danub so there is no "real" location this word is all the time but there is a file sometimes this word appears
[22:15] <ejv> danub: I appreciate you looking, looks like I'm back at square one. :\
[22:16] <Gremlyn> nothing fancy at all ejv
[22:16] <Gremlyn> I guess I could just try it and see what happens
[22:16] <Gremlyn> the new server is a blank slate, so not a big deal if I have to reinstall
[22:16] <dalek_> Gremlyn, there is no longer any support for it under proprietary drivers. Support for version 173 ended with Ubuntu 11.10
[22:16] <danub> raven: ahh, ok, i think i understand. so sometimes, in 1 file, a certain word will show up. you just want to have a log of when that word shows up in that file
[22:16] <danub> raven: correct?
[22:16] <ejv> just don't use any linux "LAMP" packages from the web, use your ubuntu repos :)
[22:16] <Gremlyn> oh gotcha dalek_, why nto use the newer driver? some issue with it for your build?
[22:16] <raven> danub i just shall calculate my watts out of the time
[22:17] <raven> danub yes nearly exactly
[22:17] <dalek_> Gremlyn, 173 IS the newest available driver for my video card (onboard in a laptop - non replaceable)
[22:17] <danub> raven: ok, give me a second and i will pastebin you a quick script.
[22:17] <raven> danub wait
[22:17] <danub> raven: yes?
[22:18] <chrisirc> How does one choose the disk to install to in the Ubuntu 10.10 installer?
[22:18] <chrisirc> It complains about not enough disk space available but didn't even ask me where to install to (and it can erase the whole disk!)
[22:18] <chrisirc> s/can/may/
[22:19] <Gremlyn> dalek_, nothing concrete to offer, but this might help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/147330/ubuntu-12-04-doesnt-resume-after-install-nvidia-drivers
[22:19] <ejv> are you using the advanced sectino of the gparted installer?
[22:19] <ejv> s/sectino/section/
[22:19] <ejv> it may be called "Manual"
[22:19] <ejv> I would look into that so you can control the install location.
[22:20] <Anxi80_> If i made changes to /usr/share/applications/defaults.list will future possible software updater updates try to overwrite them like they do with /etc/gnome/defaults.list?
[22:20] <raven> danub i am still not sure how to do the calculation then i need to bridge the gap from a trigger points (grep, gap of 5 to 60 seconds between the "triggers") to a fixed periodically currency output of a script
[22:20] <raven> -then +because
[22:21] <bekks> Anxi80_: Most likely yes.
[22:21] <Anxi80_> bekks, is their a better way of customizing my default apps that protects my settings?
[22:21] <kosher> Jordan_U: for some reason this freebsd install is taking forever.  I will ping you after I get this CD booted.
[22:21] <danub> raven: so you want the script to constantly run, never sleeping? or you want it to run, sleep x #_of_seconds, check again?
[22:21] <Shano56> anyone use cinnamon?
[22:22] <bekks> Anxi80_: You could pursue the update-alternatives mechanisms to protect your own configs.
[22:22] <IdleOne> Shano56: cinnamon is off topic for this channel
[22:22] <dalek_> Gremlyn, judging by that post, looks like support for 173 driver MIGHT be coming later... and it sounds like it MIGHT be possible to build the drivers from the .run file? Do you think it would hurt my system if I went ahead and tried it?
[22:22] <Shano56> my bad
[22:23] <Anxi80_> bekks, thanks
[22:23] <Gremlyn> dalek_, I imagine it would be recoverable should it fail miserably, so it's either try it and see, wait for the potential release of 173, and stick to the ubuntu drivers...
[22:23] <Gremlyn> all depends on how capable you feel about fixing things should it break
[22:24] <dalek_> Gremlyn, the problem with using the nouveau drivers is they are worse than useless with this particular nvidia card. :(
[22:24] <raven> danub no it has to run all the time. perhaps it woulld be possible to start the script when the trigger appears so the script only has to do the calculation from time to current. but the script also has to have a fixed output periode. for example to output the value every 60 seconds to a txt file. from this file another api takes this data. its the try to attach a sensor to the project www.volkszaehler.org its a metering tool
[22:24] <Gremlyn> sounds like you need to give it a shot then
[22:25] <Gremlyn> I always look at that kind of thing as a new adventure in linux, dalek_ :D
[22:25] <danub> raven: im going to msg u
[22:25] <enapupe> HI, I need some help to increase my SWAP, i`m already on a live key with gparted http://i.imgur.com/iKtcv.png
[22:26] <Pecker> enapupe: sounds like you need to make room for a bigger swap
[22:26] <Pecker> altho why you need mroe than 2 GB swap idk
[22:27] <Gremlyn> enapupe, why do you need to increase swap?
[22:27] <enapupe> Gremlyn: new memory ram comming
[22:27] <Gremlyn> if you're swapping 2GB, you're doing something wrong...
[22:27] <enapupe> Gremlyn: i`ll be with 8gb
[22:27] <Gremlyn> your swap doesn't HAVE to be the same size
[22:27] <enapupe> Gremlyn: i`m almost not using swap
[22:27] <enapupe> acually I just set the swapiness to 10
[22:28] <enapupe> but IF i want to hibernate it wont work, right?
[22:28] <bekks> enapupe: Whats your RAM size, and whats your swap size?
[22:28] <Gremlyn> does hibernate write to swap?
[22:28] <bekks> Gremlyn: Sure.
[22:28] <Gremlyn> never thought of that as a possibility
[22:28] <enapupe> bekks: currently 4gb ram 2gb swap
[22:29] <bekks> Gremlyn: Thats the only place to store something recoverably :)
[22:29] <enapupe> bekks: tomorrow 8gb ram
[22:30] <bekks> enapupe: you could create a swap file with 8.1G, insert it into your fstab and you'll be fine.
[22:30] <Gremlyn> enapupe, I would delete the existing swap, move sda6 and sda4 forward, and wgile you're at it shop of a piece of one of them
[22:30] <Gremlyn> going to take a WHILE
[22:30] <enapupe> bekks: have you seen the screenshot?
[22:30] <enapupe> the perfect scenario would be resize down sda1 (which i`m using only 10%) and add to swap
[22:31] <Gremlyn> oh, but your swap is a logcial partition in sda3
[22:31] <bekks> enapupe: then create backups before and do it.
[22:31] <Gremlyn> what is each drive?
[22:31] <enapupe> bekks: backup sucks
[22:31] <enapupe> but i need to merge both ntsf too
[22:31] <Gremlyn> sda1 = / ? sda6 = /home?
[22:32] <enapupe> Gremlyn: yes
[22:33] <beandog> When he says AWHILE, he means HOURS
[22:33] <bekks> enapupe: then create a backup of ntfs#1 and #2, delete #2, enlarge #1, copy over all files from your backup of #2. THEN, continue resizing, etc., after having a new backup handy.
[22:33] <beandog> Moving partitions with data around takes forever
[22:33] <bekks> beandog: Not on here.
[22:33] <andybrine> evening everyone
[22:33] <andybrine> is anyone here from the uk?
[22:33] <enapupe> ntfs is shitty windows, i can erase everything withoout problem
[22:34] <enapupe> my urgent goal is to resize swap
[22:34] <Gremlyn> enapupe, if you wanted to completely overhaul, here is what I would do: cut down sda1 to 35-50 GB, copy sda2 contents to sda4, move sda6 up behind sda1, cut out your swap after sda6, and have the ntfs at the very end
[22:34] <Gremlyn> but that is going to take some time to complete
[22:34] <beandog> You could just make a new swap file, instead of a partition
[22:34] <beandog> dunno how smart that is in *practice*, but you can do it.
[22:34] <bekks> beandog: thats what I told him already.
[22:35] <enapupe> i want to accomplish the correct way, increase the size of my current swap shirnking sda1, is this possible
[22:35] <enapupe> ?
[22:35] <beandog> bekks: oh okay, sorry, came in half way :)
[22:35] <bekks> enapupe: yes. as I told you.
[22:35] <enapupe> (sorry about my keyboard, it`s missconfigured)
[22:35] <Gremlyn> swap doesn't have to be a logical partiton, it can be standalone with something you cut off sda1
[22:36] <Gremlyn> or logical of sda1
[22:36] <bekks> Gremlyn: it has to be a partition at least :)
[22:36] <beandog> how much RAM do you have right now?  And how much swap?
[22:36] <Gremlyn> well, yeah :P
[22:36] <escott> bekks, you can have swap files, but hibernating to them is tough
[22:36] <beandog> You really wouldn't need any more than 1-2 GB of swap in almost any condition
[22:36] <beandog> Because, freak, if you're swapping 1 GB of data, you're in a painful situation.
[22:36] <bekks> escott: at least its a chance.
[22:37] <trying2code> i replaced my login desktop-login.ogg from /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo
[22:37] <bekks> beandog: hibernating ALWAYS goes to swap...
[22:37] <enapupe> the thing is not swapping ram, is hibernation
[22:37] <trying2code> but it doesnt play anymore
[22:37] <ejv> i have 0GB of swap, it's glorious.
[22:37] <beandog> bekks: it doesn't *have* to, but  yah ... good point.
[22:37] <enapupe> i`m not swapping any ram, i`m OK
[22:37] <beandog> man
[22:37] <bekks> And 1G swap is nuts nowadays.
[22:37] <enapupe> ejv: how do u hibernnate
[22:37]  * beandog missed half the picture
[22:37] <enapupe> ?
[22:37] <beandog> I'll just sit out this one. :)
[22:38] <ejv> enapupe: I don't hibernate. :)
[22:38] <ejv> for bears only.
[22:38] <enapupe> ...
[22:39] <Pecker> is linux hibernation any better than windows hibernation?
[22:39] <Gremlyn> trying2code, what do you mean 'replaced'?
[22:39] <beandog> Pecker: it works reasonably well, most of the time
[22:40] <beandog> Pecker: really though, it depends on your hardware, how good the drivers are, how recent your kernel is, etc.  But most of the time, yah, it'll work fine
[22:40] <dubcl> hi, i'm looking for an unification filesystem, like unionfs or aufs, any alternative?
[22:40] <bekks> dubcl: no.
[22:40] <Daghdha> Is it possible to move an app from 1 workspace to anouther?
[22:40] <beandog> dubcl: yah, mhddfs
[22:40] <beandog> dubcl: uses fuse
[22:41] <Pecker> Daghdha: right lcik app, say move to other workspace?
[22:41] <Pecker> in did that change in 12.04
[22:41] <Pecker> or*
[22:41] <Daghdha> THanks Pecker. I find that realy unintuitive
[22:41] <Daghdha> 3rd time i had to ask
[22:41] <Gremlyn> Daghdha, right click the title bar of the program, there are optins to do just that
[22:41] <Gyges> i used aufs
[22:41] <dubcl> beandog, but mhddfs detect when a device is full?
[22:41] <Pecker> with a busy channel soemtimes we dotn see questions
[22:42] <beandog> dubcl: yah, it automatically splits them to the drive with space
[22:42] <Daghdha> is it also possible to disable all these zoomy effects?
[22:43] <Daghdha> I open the workspace chooser and it zooms in slowly, i want that to be there instant.
[22:43] <Pecker> that would be a compiz thing
[22:43] <Daghdha> IEw.. last time i ran that it all went haywire
[22:43] <Pecker> nice
[22:43] <dubcl> beandog, thanks, I'll try
[22:44] <Daghdha> Pecker: Any config file i can edit to do the same?
[22:44] <beandog> good luck
[22:45] <Saer> Hi everyone, looking for help if able, I was doing a backup of my server via rsync/ssh when it locked up, after reboot I'm left with the error: Init: Failed to spawn friendly-recovery post-stop process: unable to execute: permission denied  (This occurs even in recovery mode) I've tried several things to troubleshoot and searched a bit with no luck, booted with recovery cd and was able to mount
[22:45] <Saer> the raid on /target and all my files are there, not sure where to go from here to try and repair
[22:45] <Pecker> idk abotu cfg files
[22:46] <Pecker> the manager works fine for me
[22:46] <Pecker> !compiz
[22:46] <Daghdha> Well, last time i usedit i had to restore a backup.
[22:47] <beandog> Saer: unmount it and run a fsck
[22:47] <Daghdha> I'm not 1000% sure it was caused by that but i am not willing to risk it.  :P
[22:47] <beandog> Saer: or, while mounted, look at the system logs to see what stands out
[22:47] <dubcl> beandog, was what I looking for, thanks
[22:47] <Daghdha> Or, as you should call them, slow-effects :)
[22:47] <Pecker> ok then
[22:47] <beandog> dubcl: awesome. :)
[22:48] <Daghdha> Thanks for the help Pecker.
[22:49]  * Shano56 is away: I'm busy
[22:49] <bastidrazor> ubottu: tell Shano56 about away
[22:49] <Shano56> eee
[22:49] <Shano56> my bad wrong button
[22:49] <Shano56> still trying to get used to xchat
[22:50] <Saer> I ran fsck and it found no issues
[22:50] <Saer> kernel log just has that same error as the last entry
[22:50] <lawltoad> how do I get eclipse to pick up /usr/share/java/ for jars in ubuntu?
[22:51] <beandog> Saer: pastebin it
[22:51] <beandog> Saer: and surrounding context
[22:51]  * Shano56 is away: be back later
[22:51] <Shano56> :/ i am confused
[22:52] <coberbilgisayar> sa hi
[22:53] <cndiv> Hey #ubuntu, can someone help me out understanding a forum post? I'm experencing this exact problem but don't know how to follow the advice on this page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2006289&highlight=macbook+air+5%2C2
[22:53] <cndiv> it says to edit the boot options but I don't know how to do that
[22:54] <gr33n7007h> Does Adobe Shockwave work on Linux?
[22:55] <shazzr> Is it possible to use a Hauppauge Win-TV NOVA-T USB stick on Ubuntu 12.04 at all? I can't get mine to work...
[22:55] <escott> cndiv, assuming you can boot fully run: gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub; then modify that line, and run update-grub
[22:56] <gr33n7007h> shazzr, yes it's possible
[22:56] <cndiv> I can't boot fully, this is on a brand-new macbook air, the install disc just hangs
[22:56] <marsfligth> Ubuntu 12.04 says that login password is invalid. What to do? (the password typed is correct)
[22:58] <escott> cndiv, at some point during the install disk boot you can press a key to get boot options and a menu. you can add kernel arguments at that point
[22:58] <gr33n7007h> shazzr, I watch mine through Mplayer
[22:58] <escott> cndiv, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Changing_the_CD.27s_Default_Boot_Options
[22:58] <cndiv> awesome! I'll give that a shot, thank you
[22:58] <beandog> gr33n7007h: no to shockwave
[22:58] <deper29> marsfligth, password is probably wrong? are you using a dvorak keyboard or something like that?
[22:59] <gr33n7007h> beandog, Thanks for the input bk
[22:59] <shazzr> gr33n7007h: How?
[23:00] <marsfligth> deper29: The password is correct and the keyboard works perfectly, I tested it on user name field
[23:00] <deper29> marsfligth, caps lock?
[23:00] <gr33n7007h> shazzr, create a channel.conf using w_scan here's the command: w_scan -ft -c GB -X -R N -O N >> channels.conf
[23:01] <beandog> that was gonna by my next guess
[23:01] <marsfligth> deper29: no, absolutelly
[23:02] <gr33n7007h> shazzr, change the -c flag to your country code ie if in the states US
[23:03] <shazzr> gr33n7007h: I'm in Norway. So I guess it should read NO?
[23:03] <marsfligth> deper29: It is a big problem because I can't acces to my home files because I used an encripted filesystem for all my home
[23:03] <deper29> marsfligth, but you can login?
[23:03] <gr33n7007h> shazzr, yes
[23:04] <shazzr> gr33n7007h: Not sure what to do afterwards though....
[23:04] <marsfligth> deper29: no, Ubuntu says that the password is not correct
[23:05] <gr33n7007h> shazzr, it'll take a while to create channels.conf but when it's finished copy the channels.conf into the mplayer dir: cp channels.conf ~/.mplayer/channels.con
[23:06] <deper29> marsfligth, I can get you back in I think, but you would lose anything encrypted
[23:06] <gr33n7007h> shazzr, it'll take a while to create channels.conf but when it's finished copy the channels.conf into the mplayer dir: cp channels.conf ~/.mplayer/ then : mplayer dvb://
[23:07] <shazzr> gr33n7007h: I might be out of luck. I don't think we have a signal for the kind of reciever where I am right now.... :(
[23:07] <shazzr> gr33n7007h: "ERROR: Sorry - i couldn't get any working frequency/transponder"
[23:08] <marsfligth> deper29: With a live cd I have full acce to all system exept '/home/myname'. So, I think that all about login and password should be in '/etc'
[23:08] <gr33n7007h> shazzr, you could try kaffeine
[23:08] <newbie|2> I have a Nokia E71 Phone, how can I copy files from PC to phone using Ubuntu + USB Cable?
[23:09] <deper29> marsfligth, yes, it would be encrypted though. your password isn't in plain text anywhere
[23:09] <deper29> marsfligth, no chance your username is wrong?
[23:09] <shazzr> gr33n7007h: Think I've done that already. No luck with that one either. I will bring the stick with me to a place where I KNOW there is coverage and try what you mentioned there....
[23:09] <newbie|2> !nokia
[23:09] <deper29> marsfligth, otherwise I'd say it's safe to assume someone changed your password
[23:10] <gr33n7007h> shazzr, sure
[23:10] <newbie|2> !nokia phone copy files
[23:10] <Jordan_U> newbie|2: Does it have an option to act as a "USB Mass Storage Device"? While that has some downsides (doesn't allow you to access the files on your SD card from the computer and the phone at the same time) it's easy and works universally.
[23:10] <newbie|2> ?
[23:11] <newbie|2> i dont know?
[23:11] <shazzr> gr33n7007h: Thank you anyway. :)
[23:11] <newbie|2> i want to copy a file from PC to my Nokia E71, how do I do it?
[23:11] <gr33n7007h> shazzr, np
[23:11] <newbie|2> how do I install Network Manager on Ubuntu?
[23:12] <deper29> newbie|2, it should be installed already
[23:12] <OerHeks> !wammu
[23:12] <OerHeks> !info wammu
[23:13] <marsfligth> deper29: I'm afraid that has been me following a guide to manage 'samba' users an passwords. The strange is that I haven't touched the 'root' and my account, I worked only on 'nobody' etc
[23:13] <kristenREUHREO> I'm really struggling to set up a vnc or a similar technology to get a remote desktop. I have been trying different software and solutions for the past hours with no luck. I really need help. My situation is pretty simple. I have a computer (A) that is connected through ssh on a remote computer (B) and I would like to get a remote desktop on B. Both use ubuntu desktop edition.
[23:14] <deper29> marsfligth, do you have the root account enabled?
[23:14] <marsfligth> no
[23:16] <kristenREUHREO> can someone help me to setup vnc please ?
[23:18] <marsfligth> deper29: I am afraid that I'll have to format all and loose all data and settings
[23:18] <deper29> marsfligth, no, you won't have to do that.
[23:19] <deper29> marsfligth, look into konboot
[23:20] <escott> kristenREUHREO, the easiest thing is ssh -X which would allow B to view one off gui applications running on A
[23:20] <kristenREUHREO> escott: yes I know, but I would want to see the whole desktop rather than just one application
[23:20] <kristenREUHREO> escott: and as a matter of fact I'm interested in one application that is already running on B.
[23:21] <marsfligth> deper29: konboot? Never heard
[23:21] <deper29> marsfligth, you should be able to hack into your system using that. you won't have access to your home folder but you won't have to reformat
[23:21] <kristenREUHREO> escott: (I'm KristenB by the way, the nickname was taken :))
[23:21] <escott> kristenREUHREO, then you need to install a vnc server on A. vino or Xvnc. and depending on the connection (if this is home to work) you might have to tunnel some ports
[23:22] <kristenREUHREO> escott: I already installed the vnc server.
[23:22] <marsfligth> deper29: I'll try it
[23:22] <kristenREUHREO> escott: and I already installed the vnc client on A as well (vinagre, but I can use another want if you want me to)
[23:23] <kristenREUHREO> escott: but I just can't manage to connect to the vnc server.
[23:23] <deper29> marsfligth, let me know how it works
[23:23] <escott> kristenREUHREO, how are you trying to connect to that vnc server?
[23:23] <escott> kristenREUHREO, what port and address is it trying to hit?
[23:24] <kristenREUHREO> escott: I've tried so many things I can't remember. But one of them was I think to do       ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 B        on A, and then  connect with the vnc client with localhost:5900
[23:25] <NewLappy> vexus1, are you the person that was helping me earlier with uefi questions?
[23:27] <escott> kristenREUHREO, is that the correct port? does netstat -ltn show it listening on B
[23:27] <kristenREUHREO> escott: and if I do that I get an error by the vnc client saying 'an error occurred: connection to host <IP_ADDRESS> was closed'. and at the remote host I get "channel 3: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused"
[23:28] <saori> hello!
[23:28] <NewLappy> hello saori
[23:28] <kristenREUHREO> escott: it shows it's listening on 22.
[23:29] <escott> kristenREUHREO, did you start vino on B?
[23:29] <kristenREUHREO> escott: I don't know
[23:29] <kristenREUHREO> escott: Isn't vino the graphical vnc client to be executed on A?
[23:30] <kristenREUHREO> escott: I installed vncserver on B, and that's it, I think
[23:30] <saori> I have a new install of 12.04 desktop 32 bit, and I can't get my media keys to have any effect. I checked and the keys are properly bound n the keyboard settings page. What else might help me fix/troubleshoot this?
[23:30] <escott> kristenREUHREO, you need to start the server on B. and it needs to use the display localhost:0
[23:31] <Jordan_U> saori: Try running "xev" and with the xev window in focus try pressing one of the media keys and see if it registers as an event (you'll have to watch the output in the terminal).
[23:31] <kristenREUHREO> escott: I don't have vino installed on B, I think
[23:31] <escott> kristenREUHREO, B is the remote you want to view right? so B needs to have a VNC server running. A would have the client
[23:32] <kristenREUHREO> escott: What I've done is x11vnc -safer -localhost -nopw -once -display :0
[23:32] <kristenREUHREO> escott: and I thought that would start the vnc server
[23:32] <kristenREUHREO> escott: yes, that's right, I want to view B from A, B is the server, A the client.
[23:32] <escott> kristenREUHREO, if it did then it should appear in netstat -ltn
[23:34] <kristenREUHREO> escott: oh ok maybe it was stopped. I tried to launch it again. this time, when I use the vnc client, for the first time it seems to connect. But I get a black screen.
[23:34] <gozon> what is the command to remove a ppa in the terminal?
[23:34] <escott> kristenREUHREO, does the remote host have the screensaver running?
[23:35] <saori> Jordan_U: It does pop up with distinct events for each key.
[23:35] <kristenREUHREO> escott: i don't think so, but that's not entirely impossible. I tried moving the mouse or sending keys, it still stays black.
[23:35] <ceti331> can anyone recomend a KDE based distro .. kubuntu or linux mint 12kde - which will be best?
[23:36] <extor> How on earth do I make a sudo user
[23:36] <extor> I have console access as root but unable to ssh as root and there are no sudo users
[23:36] <NewLappy> ceti331, a question like that is bound to get a biased response in a room such as this
[23:36] <dax> ceti331: You're in #ubuntu, so people will say Kubuntu. imho, Linux Mint is a waste of time, and Debian testing or Gentoo work fine.
[23:36] <kristenREUHREO> escott: maybe it's a issue related to the display numbers? I never understood that stuff so maybe the setup was wrong. I just used :0 wherever I was asked to.
[23:37] <NewLappy> extor, what exactly are you trying to do?
[23:37] <marsfligth> deper29: I'm searching for'KON-BOOT', but it seems working only on m$ and apple. Probably I made some mistake
[23:37] <NewLappy> extor, if you are in a console, but want to ssh as root at a remote machine, try ssh root@machine
[23:37] <ceti331> better question: my unity had broken since i was essing with effects; is there a way to reset it
[23:37] <eoss> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+do+you+create+a+user+with+root+priviledges%3F
[23:37] <escott> kristenREUHREO, what does -safer do?
[23:37] <ceti331> unity broke since i used ccsm to mess with desktop cube etc...
[23:37] <deper29> marsfligth, you have 64 bit?
[23:37] <kristenREUHREO> escott: -safer where?
[23:38] <subz3r0> ceti331, unity --reset
[23:38] <escott> kristenREUHREO, in your x11vnc command. you have -safer
[23:38] <kristenREUHREO> escott: I don't know it's just a command I've seen somewhere (I think on the ubuntu help website) and I just copy pasted it.
[23:39] <escott> kristenREUHREO, take it out. i also think -once is default.
[23:39] <ceti331> thanks
[23:39] <ceti331> are there known bugs in 12.04 - mine is has been very glitchy; i'll reboot just incase the reset fixes it, but i suspect it was always a bit off
[23:39] <escott> kristenREUHREO, :0 is the first X server that runs. the one on tty7. in some cases you would start a second X server on tty8 (rare but some people do it), ssh tunnel interfaces also establish their own :# addresses
[23:40] <kristenREUHREO> escott: ok I removed both and restarted the server; it still stays black
[23:40] <kristenREUHREO> escott: but there's already a server running, this is a desktop computer, so it has its own server for local purposes, no?
[23:41] <escott> kristenREUHREO, thats the limit of my vnc knowledge. you could look at !vnc. seems the connection is working, but maybe the vnc is in view only and not control mode so you cant kill the screensaver
[23:42] <kristenREUHREO> escott: how about setting it with qtnx? I'm also having problems with that one.
[23:43] <escott> kristenREUHREO, thats NX which is different. doesn't (so far as im aware) let you take ownership of an existing X session.
[23:43] <kristenREUHREO> kristenREUHREO: I just don't know what to input in the client, it asks for name/password but I'm using public keys to connect
[23:43] <kerry> hello everybody, I am having problems with a Lenovo S10-3 and 12.04
[23:43] <kerry> wifi is not working
[23:43] <kerry> someone else with this issue
[23:44] <kerry> I found in google a lot of bugs in older distributions
[23:44] <trism> kristenREUHREO: which desktop environment? you may need -noxdamage (for x11vnc)
[23:44] <trism> kristenREUHREO: (if by 'it still stays black' means you can connect but don't see anything in the vnc client)
[23:45] <marsfligth> deper29: yes I do ...
[23:45] <kristenREUHREO> kristenREUHREO: what do you mean, the desktop environment ? like unity or gnome for example ?
[23:45] <ceti331> thanks that appears to have worked
[23:45] <kristenREUHREO> trism: what do you mean, the desktop environment ? like unity or gnome for example ?
[23:45] <trism> kristenREUHREO: yes, if you are using unity-3d you will probably need that arg
[23:45] <ceti331> note to self,dont use desktop cube with unuty
[23:45] <marsfligth> deper29: I foud a torrent,I'll try it
[23:45] <marsfligth> *found
[23:46] <deper29> marsfligth, kk
[23:46] <korbel> so I am trying to install ubuntu alternative and do full disk encryption, but I do not see the option in the installer. Am I missing something?
[23:46] <escott> !alternate | korbel
[23:46] <korbel> Fedora has it on the disk partitioning screen
[23:46] <korbel> yes escott, I am using alternate
[23:47] <kristenREUHREO> trism: I tried it but it still stays black.
[23:47] <trism> kristenREUHREO: no idea then, sorry
[23:48] <marsfligth> deper29: the problem is that to me is very late, and I'll test it tomorrow, then I can't inform you about the result
[23:48] <escott> korbel, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FullDiskEncryptionHowto
[23:49] <chrisirc> What about non-english documentation? I'm looking for german.
[23:49] <RyuGuns> Is it possible to log out of a user account you're not currently in?
[23:51] <deper29> marsfligth, okay, that's cool. I'm sure someone will be online tomorrow who can help :P
[23:51] <deper29> marsfligth, once you log on you should be able to just change your password
[23:51] <escott> RyuGuns, what does that mean
[23:51] <Guest77836> Hi room, anyone have any experience with resolving kernal panics on a fresh 12.04 install?
[23:52] <RyuGuns> i hav another user account logged into i need to logout it of but i need can no switch
[23:52] <RyuGuns> can i log out from this account ?
[23:54] <escott> RyuGuns, still can't understand what you are asking. you might try your native language channel
[23:54] <marsfligth> deper29: should fantastic. Thanks for helping me. Se you
[23:54] <deper29> marsfligth, have a good one
[23:54] <flymac> ...sorry, let me try that again....
[23:54] <flymac> Hi room, anyone have any experience with resolving kernal panics on a fresh 12.04 install?
[23:55] <subz3r0> flymac, no
[23:55] <andrewaclt> flymac, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging
[23:55] <RyuGuns> escott: what about my naive language?
[23:55] <subz3r0> never had any :)
[23:56] <escott> RyuGuns, you clearly aren't a native english speaker. what is your first language? what do you speak at home?
[23:56] <RyuGuns> ill give my friend his compute so he can translte for me brb
[23:56] <flymac> thanks andrewaclt
[23:57] <spacebug-> gnome/unity (12.04) only shows the sound input from one of my soundcards while KDE shows them both. The output from both cards is shown though. Why?
[23:57] <xezexal> how do I change my ubuntu version from katya to precise?
[23:57] <kristenREUHREO> escott: what did you mean when you said !vnc ?
[23:58] <escott> !vnc | kristenREUHREO
[23:58] <subz3r0> xezexal, katya is an ubuntu version? guess not... u cant "upgrade" from mint to ubuntu
[23:58] <kristenREUHREO> escott: well I already looked at that page, it's how I got the commands I talked about.
[23:58] <xezexal> so to Maya?
[23:59] <subz3r0> ubuntu != mint
[23:59] <xezexal> because I updated all the repos.......
[23:59] <subz3r0> backup your stuff and do a fresh installation would be the best way
[23:59] <RyuGuns> ok i fix it thanks anyways tho


[00:20] <mparillo> I do not see a link like that. Do I need to be added / join? In any case, it looks as if the card is moved all the way to done (it was a quick and ugly editing job, I admit).
[00:20] <ahoneybun> mparillo: I moved it
[00:22] <mparillo> Thank you ahoneybun. I suppose that means it is good enough for an old release that will only be supported for about four more months.
[00:23] <ahoneybun> np
[02:30] <cyphermox> are there currently known issues with the OEM install for kubuntu?
[02:31] <cyphermox> I'm trying to fix a problem with the oem user not always being properly removed, that would affect all flavors, but it looks to me like regardless of any fix, SDDM either will not start or will stay with a black screen
[02:32] <cyphermox>  /var/log/sddm.log shows PAM errors -- specifically Authentication failure
[02:35] <cyphermox> yeah, I can't find any useful state that would be left over either; it would be really helpful if someone could take a lot and tell me if it's because my setup is wrong somehow
[02:35] <cyphermox> *look
[05:54] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:15] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/desktop_thumb.png
[08:16] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/desktop-wee.png
[08:21] <sitter> Riddell: patchy breaky? http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_oxygen-qt4/
[08:27] <Riddell> sitter: fix pushed
[08:28] <Riddell> sitter: what happened to automatic irc /msgs ? they seemed effective on me :)
[08:28] <sitter> Riddell: they only fire on merge fail
[08:28] <sitter> for builds it's somewhat impossible to tell whether upstream broke it or one of us
[08:28]  * sitter packages modemmanager-qt
[08:29] <Riddell> ah hah
[08:40] <micmord> Any project about yakuake and plasma5?
[08:50] <Riddell> micmord: pardon?
[08:55] <micmord> Riddell: I mean, current yakuake version is 2.9.9-1ubuntu1 for KDE4. Is there any project about porting it on KDE5?
[09:01] <Riddell> micmord: looks like there's a frameworks branch which had activity last month https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/utils/yakuake/repository/show?rev=frameworks
[09:01] <Riddell> micmord: beyond that you'd need to ask Eike who turns up here as Sho usually in european afternoons
[09:03] <micmord> Riddell: thank you
[10:13] <sitter> Riddell: y u no fix muon repo :'<
[10:15] <Riddell> sitter: I'm on it!
[10:15] <Riddell> pushed
[10:16] <sitter> phew
[10:16] <sitter> <3
[10:17] <Riddell> so now muon does notify you of release upgrades but only in the passive notification not in the slide out box
[10:18] <sitter> weeh
[10:18]  * sitter thought he filed a but about the release notifications not being handled in the new applet
[10:19] <sitter> s/but/bug
[10:20] <Riddell> sitter: do you have an opinion on the doc move question?
[10:26] <Riddell> sitter: added https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345796 now
[10:27] <sitter> ah maybe the notification was broken as well at some point
[10:28] <sitter> Riddell: muon ci still failing btw
[10:28] <sitter> Riddell: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201852616/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.muon_4%3A5.2.2-1%2Bgit20150402.1018%2B15.04-0ubuntu0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:28] <sitter> Oo
[10:34] <Riddell> hmm
[10:35]  * Riddell builds
[10:42] <Riddell> ahoneybun: should I put out a call on ubuntu-translators list for docs translations? what should I say?
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:54] <sitter> Riddell: any bugs left in knh btw?
[10:56] <Riddell> sitter: 7 here but they're untriaged and none that are release blockers https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-notification-helper
[10:58] <sitter> untriaged, what a surprise
[10:58] <sitter> oh oh oh
[10:59] <sitter> Riddell: did you patch whatever thing reads desktopfiles nowadays to look for translations via ki18n?
[11:00] <sgclark> morning
[11:01] <sitter> ahoy sgclark
[11:01] <sitter> oh that reminds me I need to look at the phonon ci stuff
[11:02] <Riddell> sitter: um I think I've entirely forgotten, why do you ask?
[11:02] <Riddell> sgclark: welcome back, nice holiday?
[11:02] <sgclark> yes :) ty
[11:02] <sitter> Riddell: because I also forgot  and without it our KCMs as well as all main packages do not have translations for the desktop file
[11:03] <sitter> sgclark: where does dependencies/logical-module-structure live?
[11:04] <sitter> Riddell: do you perhaps know if pitti is on vacation or something?
[11:05] <Riddell> sitter: he doesn't seem to be around this week so I guess he is away
[11:05] <sitter> the one week I happen to have a random question ^^
[11:05] <sgclark> sitter: kde:kde-build-metadata
[11:06] <sitter> shadeslayer, Riddell: btw, I seem to recall having read about various debian teams (python and ruby) having had strives towards a unified autopkgtest provisioning for all their packages. it feels to me like we might want to go for something like that for all kde software
[11:07] <sitter> given that we always want to mimic the upstream CI env as a base and all frameworks for example have a huge copy pasta of the debian/tests dir with the odd difference here and there
[11:07] <sitter> sgclark: thx
[11:08] <sgclark> np
[11:08] <sitter> sgclark: btw, how does one handle the case where one branch is supposed to be built for both qt4 and qt5 but with different cmake arguments respectively?
[11:09] <sgclark> sitter: that is np, we use configs for that, just put the right branch and maybe let me know which ones need that
[11:10] <sgclark> and the cmake command would be helpful :)
[11:10] <sitter> if only I remembered that one ^^
[11:12] <sitter> sgclark: add phonon... the qt5 builds need -DPHONON_BUILD_PHONON4QT5=ON
[11:12] <sitter> *added
[11:12] <sgclark> sitter: simple enough, thanks
[11:17] <shadeslayer> sitter: I smell a proposal coming up
[11:17] <sitter> are you finally getting married?
[11:20] <shadeslayer> Lol
[11:20] <shadeslayer> You only want that because you want to buy a suit
[11:22] <sitter> Riddell: piiiiiiiing
[11:23] <soee_> update topic, 19 bugs left =)
[11:23] <sitter> shadeslayer: is Riddell gossiping at the coffee robot or does he just not want to talk to me
[11:23] <shadeslayer> Probably the latter
[11:23] <sitter> you not in yet?
[11:24] <sitter> Riddell: I pushed whoopsie, driver, debug-installer. BUT notification-helper is now notificationS-helper (note the s), just wanted to make sure that is intentional before I push that
[11:25] <shadeslayer> sitter: left for luncheroo
[11:25] <sitter> Riddell: also libkubuntu apparently was left out :(
[11:25] <sitter> :@
[11:25] <sitter> always with those lunchens
[11:26] <sitter> shadeslayer: are you running autopkgtest yet?
[11:27]  * Riddell testing upgrades
[11:27] <sitter> Riddell: please be replying
[11:27] <shadeslayer> Simon_B: no
[11:27] <shadeslayer> Er
[11:27] <shadeslayer> sitter: no
[11:28] <shadeslayer> Too much todo
[11:28] <shadeslayer> /o\
[11:28] <sitter> ..........
[11:28] <Riddell> sitter: testing: dunno autopkgtest stuff still confuses me quite a lot
[11:28] <shadeslayer> sitter: I have to do some armhf stuff
[11:28] <Riddell> sitter: notificationS-helper is not intentional, shall I reopen the ticket to get it removed/re-added ?
[11:29] <sitter> wgrant: are there any plans to provide autopkgtest runs for ppas?
[11:29] <Riddell> sitter: I'm the only one around here who doesn't go for 3 hour lunches every day!
[11:29] <sitter> Riddell: talk to ben what the course of action is I guess
[11:30] <wgrant> sitter: autopkgtest just pulls data from Launchpad. It's not a service that we run.
[11:31] <sitter> wgrant: ah, so I suppose it could pull data from a ppa as well?
[11:31] <wgrant> sitter: I don't see why not. It's just pointing at the primary archive today.
[11:32] <sitter> ok, thanks
[11:32]  * sitter puts talk to pitti on todo for next week ^^
[11:33] <Riddell> mparillo: notes for VividUpgrade page when we come to change it for final, there's no need for an update before the upgrade (yay) and the same screenshot can be used for the muon-update app as in utopic
[11:36] <mparillo> Riddell: You mean on the final version of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VividUpgrades/Kubuntu ? Simply removing the chunk on running muon-upgrade: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VividUpgrades/Kubuntu#Ensure_14.10_is_updated ?
[11:38] <Riddell> sitter: updated ticket for k-n-h and added a ticket for libkubuntu
[11:38] <Riddell> mparillo: yeah that can all go, yay
[11:39] <mparillo> Now or when we get the final release candidates?
[11:40] <sitter> Riddell: cheers
[11:53] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I'm rebuilding the docs with sitter's script for the new screenshots
[11:54] <soee_> hmm, if we hover some picture in Dolphin we have preview in side panel, if we remove this file (and empty trash), preview is still visible and we can for example add tags -where those tags go if file is gone for good ?
[12:04] <Riddell> mparillo: later, a day before the final release I guess
[12:05] <mparillo> Short window. I will post it on my calendar.
[12:11] <Riddell> thanks :)
[12:56] <sitter> Riddell: ok, the following repos have been pushed and had their hooks enabled -> kubuntu-debug-installer, kubuntu-driver-kcm, whoopsie-kcm
[12:57] <sitter> so I think you can update their tickets to continue with reviewboard setup etc.
[13:07] <Riddell> sitter: hooks?
[13:07] <Riddell> sitter: shall I export translations from launchpad then tell tosky?
[13:19] <Riddell> d_ed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
[13:34] <mparillo> That link has sudo stop lightdm. Is that different from sudo service lightdm stop?
[13:38] <yofel> stop is an upstart thing, it does the same thing though
[13:41] <soee> can we change loading order after ssytem reboot/boot so the plasmahsell will load and than previous session apps ?
[13:42] <mparillo> TY, and I am being trained anyway on the new systemd way.
[14:11] <Riddell> sitter: does sddm in ci use the master branch?
[14:11] <Riddell> it doesn't seem to have a kubuntu_vivid_archive branch, should it?
[14:24] <sitter> Riddell: yes sddm uses master, yes an archive branch would be handy
[14:24] <sitter> Riddell: translations export only if he wants to import them :P
[14:26] <Riddell> sitter: what KCMs don't have translations from .desktop files?
[14:26] <soee> Riddell: with this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1428328/comments/5
[14:27]  * Riddell reports bug 1439720
[14:27] <soee> we weill be able to make nvidia gpu works with sddm ?
[14:28] <sitter> Riddell: all of ours
[14:29] <sitter> or actually
[14:29] <sitter> only if the desktop file snafu wasn't patched
[14:29] <sitter> ah yes, that report there ^^
[14:30] <Riddell> sitter: translations don't get stripped, /usr/share/kservices5/kcm_phonon.desktop still has all its translations
[14:31] <sitter> ours
[14:31] <Riddell> soee: yes hopefully, do you have the hardware to test?
[14:31] <sitter> not upstreams
[14:31] <sitter> whoopsie, driver, notification
[14:31] <Riddell> oh I see
[14:31] <soee> Riddell: yes, on my laptop im using atm. i have intel + nvidia
[14:36] <Riddell> sitter, shadeslayer, sgclark, ScottK: all the S tabs, what to do with docs path?
[14:36] <sitter> ah yes, the mighty stabs
[14:36] <sitter> IIRC I pointed out this veritable flaw way back in december :P
[14:37] <sitter> Riddell: there really only is a rebuild option
[14:37] <sitter> and TBH I think all of kf5 needs to get rebuilt rather than all of kde4
[14:37] <sitter> former we know what is effected, latter is everything and the kitchen sink
[14:38] <shadeslayer> sitter: I'd make something like a script that is installed as a apt trigger
[14:38] <sitter> I will also say that IIRC khelpcenter had the same problem
[14:38] <sitter> in kde3->4
[14:38] <shadeslayer> so that whenever something is installed to the docs dir, we just symlink the new stuff
[14:38] <sitter> that would need lodsa testing
[14:39] <Riddell> I agree with sitter
[14:39] <Riddell> sitter: but rebuild kf5? what would that do?
[14:39] <sgclark> hmm
[14:39] <sitter> Riddell: did you talk to the debian people about it btw
[14:39] <sitter> there was a reason why we diverged from upstream
[14:40] <shadeslayer> actually I purposefully did not install to /usr/share/HTML/kde since I did not see the point
[14:40] <sitter> did you ask what the point was?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> I did
[14:40] <shadeslayer> and I did alot of searching
[14:40] <shadeslayer> on the ml
[14:40] <sgclark> I tried to talk to talk to debian some time ago and got ignored, seems you guys are making more progress than I did though
[14:40] <sitter> what was the point
[14:40] <shadeslayer> didn't find it
[14:40] <shadeslayer> even poked MoDaX for a answer
[14:40] <shadeslayer> got none
[14:40] <Riddell> sitter: I asking in debian irc channel, no useful reply
[14:40] <sitter> ...
[14:41] <sitter> well
[14:41] <sitter> one could patch khc :P
[14:41] <shadeslayer> so I saw it as pointless and used the upstream path
[14:41] <shadeslayer> sitter: sure
[14:41] <sitter> actually I think one needs to patch the help slave
[14:41] <shadeslayer> that's the other solution
[14:41] <Riddell> sgclark looked into khc a bit
[14:41] <sitter> either that or rebuild all the kf5 builds
[14:41] <sitter> or rather... all the ECM builds
[14:42] <sgclark> khc should really support more than one install path.. but upstream told me to go away and deal with it distro level
[14:43] <sgclark> again I am shocked that no other distros are facing this issue. seems only debian hard codes docs like that
[14:43] <Riddell> so I still feel mass rebuild of kde4 is best solution
[14:43] <sgclark> oof
[14:44] <shadeslayer> I disagree
[14:44] <shadeslayer> I'd go with patching khc or symlinking
[14:44] <sitter> no
[14:44] <sitter> the best solution is to patch kio_help
[14:44] <shadeslayer> quick, someone assign that task to sitter
[14:44] <sitter> the second best solution is returing to the pointless subdir and rebuild kf5 until we can come up with something better
[14:45] <shadeslayer> sitter: no
[14:45] <shadeslayer> that just promotes the perpetual cycle of "Lets fix it properly later"
[14:45] <sitter> the third best is symlinking since it's hard to asses its reliability and will as all bloody hacks like that will hit the fan eventually
[14:45] <shadeslayer> possibly that's leftover from KDE3 /o\
[14:45] <shadeslayer> and no one knows why /o\
[14:47] <sitter> oh
[14:47] <Riddell> patching kio_help.cpp seems do-able
[14:47] <sitter> another option: reintroduce khelpcenter(4) as actual binary khelpcenter4 and hardcode kdelibs to launch khelpcenter4 rather than khelpcenter
[14:47] <sitter> which is slightly dodgy
[14:47] <sitter> Riddell: yeah, just needs that lookup function adjusted a bit
[14:47] <Riddell> HelpProtocol::get()
[14:48] <sitter> Riddell: is the actual lookup apparently HelpProtocol::langLookup
[14:48] <sitter> get just strips it
[14:49] <sitter> actually, you know what, this is just wrong upstream
[14:49] <sitter> you can set a different doc install path via ecm but kio will not give a fuck
[14:49] <sitter> ...
[14:49]  * sitter hates hardcoded paths
[14:52] <sitter> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10724470/
[14:52] <sitter> needs header adjustment
[14:52] <sitter> otherwise that should fly
[14:52] <Riddell> sitter: yummy :)
[14:54] <sitter> I don't quite understand the code in ::get though, not sure it even needs adjustment
[14:54] <sitter> ah ah
[14:55] <sitter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10724482/
[14:55] <sitter> that probably should fly
[14:55] <shadeslayer> make it fly!
[14:55] <sitter> I'd add some qdebug to ::get and see what it actually does in the cache thing though
[14:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is it done yet :P
[14:55] <sitter> that code is mental pretty much
[14:56] <Riddell> sitter: not yet
[14:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: heh
[14:57] <shadeslayer> I'm blocked on IO
[14:57] <shadeslayer> how fun
[15:02] <Riddell> sitter: I'm confused why you need all that extra code, what else does it need but a second call to localDoc.append( QStandardPaths::locateAll("doc/kde/HTML")  ) ?
[15:03] <sitter> dunno I haven't actually read the function :P
[15:04] <sitter> append away
[15:04] <sitter> also fine with less code
[15:17] <Riddell> sitter: yeah this seems to do it https://paste.kde.org/p2p40a6ow
[15:18] <sitter> lovely
[15:29] <Riddell> awooga, good work on that one team, thanks shadeslayer, sgclark :)
[15:30] <sgclark> great work, thanks
[19:04] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I updated the screenshots for the english installation on the wiki, ran harald's script, and updated my -docs branch
[19:20] <soee_> killall plasmashell
[19:20] <soee_> killall plasmashell
[19:26] <soee_> :/
[19:26] <soee_> hmm
[19:27] <soee_> Desktop just freezez for me now
[20:01] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: thank you for the pictures
[20:01] <ovidiu-florin> I guess those were the only one you can find?
[20:03] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: so I guess this: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-release and this http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.10-release remain broken
[20:11] <soee> wrr
[20:12] <soee> tried to install nvidai-prime with propriety drivers with current sddm
[20:12] <soee> better dont do this ;)
[20:26] <KDDA> hi folks
[20:27] <soee> hiho
[21:16] <soee> Riddell: notification are a bit creazy lately
[21:17] <soee> if we run apt update, than than during updateing packages list, notification is shows up avery few seconds about avaialble updates
[22:00] <ahoneybun> any word about plasma active?
[22:05] <valorie> I've not heard anything, but I doubt attention will turn to Active until we have full plasma functionality on the desktop restored
[22:05] <ahoneybun> of course
[22:06] <ahoneybun> now that phones are getting bigger active could really be effective
[22:07] <valorie> sure, and the refactoring etc that is going on now is designed to make Active etc. that much easier to do
[22:07] <valorie> building in touch from the get-go, etc.
[22:08] <valorie> really, as more and more laptops have touch screens, it will be a necessity anyway
[22:12] <ahoneybun> yes and will be super cool
[22:52] <cyphermox> FatBack: please behave...
[22:54] <cyphermox> soee: thanks
[22:55] <cyphermox> soee: I wanted to put the topic back but I was digging in history to try and find what it was.
[22:55] <ahoneybun> he did that in here too?
[22:55] <soee> cyphermox: konversation has pencil icon before the topic text that shows history :)
[22:56] <cyphermox> any trick for quassel? :)
[22:56] <soee> ahoneybun: i think he did somethig similiar yesterday
[22:56] <ahoneybun> soee: http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=qRJ9Vfwo&page=Job%20Description&j=oeJy0fwf :)
[22:56] <soee> cyphermox: not sure im not using quassel
[22:56] <ahoneybun> soee: he did the same thing in ubuntu-touch
[22:56] <cyphermox> yeah, things should be fixed now, not to worry :)


[00:31] <kc2bez> @teward001 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D21
[00:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Package calamares for new upstream release.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D21
[00:49] <wxl> only two changes? https://phab.lubuntu.me/D21
[00:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Accepted] Package calamares for new upstream release.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D21
 Yes?
[00:51] <wxl> i'm confused
 I guess I am too.
 hmm
 i wonder...
 hmmmmmmmm
 i should ask rbasak to put cala into git-ubuntu
 would let me have all sorts of fun with gbp
[00:55] <teward> @tsimonq2 is the repository configured to track Cala tarballs, or do you pull that automatically with CI?
[00:55] <teward> 'cause failing all else I'm tempted to get this into git-ubuntu
[06:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLIBFMQTPACKAGINGfaec7ee9c2f8: sync with eoan archive] rikmills (Rik Mills) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLIBFMQTPACKAGINGfaec7ee9c2f8
[15:30] <apt-ghetto> TJ-: Do you have an idea, why I end in a grub rescue shell, when I enter the wrong passphrase?
[15:30] <TJ-> apt-ghetto: Yes
[15:33] <apt-ghetto> Is it possible to drop into the grub rescue shell after the third failed attempt?
[15:34] <TJ-> apt-ghetto: if you've encrypted GRUB's /boot then once you fail the cryptomount command it can't do anything but end up in the rescue shell
[15:35] <apt-ghetto> So it is part of Grub? And can't be configured otherwise?
[15:36] <TJ-> apt-ghetto: You sound to be confused as to how full disk encryption works
[15:39] <apt-ghetto> I am confused, that there is only one trial to enter the passphrase
[15:39] <TJ-> "it depends"
[15:39] <TJ-> there are 2 wys FDE is usually done, neither of which is truly FDE :)
[15:40] <TJ-> one is "almost" and the other is "excluding GRUB linux kernel and initrd.img"
[15:40] <apt-ghetto> I have FDE with an unencrypted /boot and there it is possible to fail
[15:40] <apt-ghetto> without ending in the grub rescue shell
[15:41] <TJ-> apt-ghetto: maybe the intro to my wiki article on FDE will help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[15:42] <apt-ghetto> Thanks, I will read it in the next few days
[15:42] <TJ-> apt-ghetto: when only the root file-system is LUKS encrypted, and therefore /boot/ is a separate, unencrypted, file-system, the LUKS unlock is done by cryptsetup tooling in initrd.img, which of course is running as shell scripts
[15:43] <apt-ghetto> That's clear, but I am/was expecting the same behaviour also in Grub
[15:44] <TJ-> apt-ghetto: but when /boot/ is also encrypted then GRUB's cryptdisk module and various gcry_* cipher/hash modules are built-in to GRUB's core image so that as soon as core image is executed it tries to unlock the LUKS volume. if it cannot then it drops to the GRUB rescue shell, which is the only thing available in core image
[15:44] <TJ-> apt-ghetto: there is no scripting available in core image by default
[15:44] <TJ-> apt-ghetto: so, if you mis-type the passphrase you have to manually issue the command to try again e.g. "cryptomount (hd0,gpt2)
[15:45] <TJ->  hmmm, where did those parenthesis come from? "cryptomount hd0,gpt2"
[15:52] <apt-ghetto> And after that I have to enter "insmod normal" and "normal" to boot the system?
[16:02] <TJ-> Yes
[16:02] <apt-ghetto> TJ-: Thank you, you helped me a lot
[16:05] <apt-ghetto> Now I have only one other problem: That the passphrase during installation is not the same, when entering it at boot, due to different keyboard layouts
[16:08] <TJ-> That is always an issue for non US locales. I generally recommend using only the ASCII set for one pass-phrase then add another pass-phrase with your natural locale language as well
[16:08] <TJ-> then for GRUB you can use the ASCII version but if you prefer, the local language for other times. I prefer using key files though which avoids that entirely
[16:09] <apt-ghetto> You have your keyfile on a USB stick?
[16:10] <TJ-> I have some systems using a key-file on USB, and others using a Yubikey
[17:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL55859cd9686e: Fix openbox wiki link] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL55859cd9686e
[18:41] <wxl> @tsimonq2: are you going to test this? https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/pull/123#issuecomment-509898253
[18:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4c444571fe26: Add pressing tab key twice] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4c444571fe26
 Qt 5.12.4 is in!


[06:22] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:29] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[07:10] <superfly> Ohi
[07:32] <paddatrapper> Morning everyone
[08:33] <andrewlsd> superfly: are there IRC channels/servers for debconf2016?
[08:49] <andrewlsd> Interesting ZA network news: http://ewn.co.za/2016/06/28/Liquid-Telecom-Royal-Bafokeng-to-buy-Neotel-for-R65bn
[08:50] <andrewlsd> Liquid Telecom + Royal Bafokeng to buy Neotel. R6.5B apparently
[08:52] <chesedo> morning all
[08:54] <chesedo> andrewlsd: #debconf-team on oftc (irc.debian.org) is the channel for volunteers
[08:54] <andrewlsd> thanks chesedo
[10:17] <Kilos> afternoon all and sundry
[10:19] <pavlushka> Afternoon Kilos :)
[10:19] <pavlushka> Kilos: Its the monthly meeting day and I would like to join too if that's okay?
[10:19] <Kilos> you are welcome
[10:20] <Kilos> you can invite others as well
[10:21] <Kilos> come see how a real loco does nothing much but does it well
[10:21] <pavlushka> Kilos: is the time is 8.30 PM local?
[10:21] <Kilos> yes
[10:21] <Kilos> 8 hours and ten minutes from now
[10:22] <pavlushka> Then it is 12.30 AM tomorrow for us, :p
[10:22] <pavlushka> but np
[10:24] <Kilos> whew
[10:42] <Kilos> chesedo dont forget tonight, ive sent the mail
[11:05] <chesedo> Kilos: will remember - also great g+ yesterday
[11:23] <Kilos> i must just remember to ping magespawn and paddatrapper before the meeting
[11:23] <Kilos> oh and try get the twit place working for ubuntuza
[11:36] <paddatrapper> Kilos: yes please :)
[11:37] <Kilos> :D
[17:20] <pavlushka> o/ all
[17:20] <Kilos-> o/
[17:38] <Kilos> paddatrapper 50 mins
[17:40] <paddatrapper> Dankie Kilos
[17:40] <Kilos> pledier
[17:40] <Kilos> plesier ook
[17:41] <Kilos> chesedo another G+ reminder could help maybe
[17:48] <paddatrapper> Can Maaz pingall? That may be useful
[17:48] <Kilos> no idea
[17:57] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[17:57] <inetpro> good evening
[17:58] <Kilos> hi inetpro cold hey
[17:58] <inetpro> cold?
[17:58] <Kilos> yeah im freezing
[17:58] <inetpro> I thought tonight was warmer than other nights
[17:59] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:00] <Kilos> somewhere i got lost, what is ubuntu in the wild
[18:01] <inetpro> google it
[18:01] <Kilos> ai!
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry, just busy with other stuff
[18:03] <Kilos> np
[18:17] <Kilos> hi tareq u0_a6
[18:18] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:18] <Kilos> ohi magespawn
[18:18] <tareq> hi all
[18:18] <Kilos> whats with the funny nick
[18:18] <tareq> there is a meeting, right?
[18:19] <magespawn> connecting from my phone.
[18:19] <Kilos> yes
[18:20] <magespawn> on my way home now.
[18:20] <Kilos> whew
[18:21] <Kilos> so late
[18:21] <Kilos> time to find another job
[18:21] <Kilos> hehe
[18:21] <chesedo> Kilos: impossible
[18:21] <chesedo> evening inetpro
[18:21] <Kilos> what chesedo
[18:22] <chesedo> [19:41:15] <Kilos> chesedo another G+ reminder could help maybe
[18:22] <Kilos> oh
[18:22] <Kilos> that is actually the pros job
[18:22] <inetpro> no
[18:23] <Kilos> yes yes
[18:23] <Kilos> you started the g+ thing
[18:23] <Kilos> hi AudaciousTUX
[18:24] <chesedo> Kilos: reminders are impossible (afaik)
[18:24] <Kilos> oh np
[18:24] <inetpro> no need to do anything... g+ does it all by itself
[18:24] <Kilos> it  used  to but not anymore
[18:24] <Kilos> you broke it
[18:26] <Kilos> inetpro you must be active tonight, im dozing
[18:26] <chesedo> lol
[18:26] <Kilos> paddatrapper hope you have feedback from debconf16
[18:26] <Kilos> seems like fly is asleep
[18:27] <paddatrapper> Kilos: that I do
[18:28] <Kilos> yay
[18:28] <Kilos> chesedo will call on you
[18:28]  * paddatrapper gets comfortable :)
[18:29] <Kilos> no man
[18:29] <chesedo> all ready???
[18:29] <Kilos> yip go mr chair
[18:30] <chesedo> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu Monthly Meeting - May 2016
[18:30]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:30] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[18:30] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:30] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[18:30] <Maaz> magespawn: Righto
[18:30] <chesedo> Evening all and thank you for joining in on our monthly
[18:30] <Kilos> Maaz I am Miles Sharpe
[18:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[18:30] <chesedo> Our bot Maaz is doing the minutes as usual so please intro yourself to it using `Maaz: I am <firstname lastname>` eg.
[18:30] <chesedo> Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht
[18:30] <Maaz> chesedo: Righto
[18:31] <chesedo> The agenda for today can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20160628
[18:31] <chesedo> any last minute changes are welcome
[18:31] <Kilos> pavlushka tareg you guys want to identify with Maaz
[18:31] <paddatrapper> Maaz: I am Kyle Robbertze
[18:31] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Righto
[18:31] <chesedo> ready inetpro
[18:31] <tareq> Maaz: I am Tareq from Bangladesh
[18:31] <Maaz> tareq: Alrighty
[18:32] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:32] <Maaz> inetpro: Alrighty
[18:32] <chesedo> all happy with agenda?
[18:32] <pavlushka> Maaz I am pavlushka
[18:32] <Maaz> pavlushka: Righto
[18:32] <paddatrapper> I am
[18:33] <Kilos> yip
[18:33] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed No one raised concerns with agenda
[18:33] <Maaz> Agreed: No one raised concerns with agenda
[18:33] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:33] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:33] <chesedo> minutes of the last meeting is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20160524
[18:33] <chesedo> Please go over it for review
[18:34] <chesedo> ty Kilos
[18:34] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: identify yourself by "Maaz I am AudaciousTUX "
[18:34] <Kilos> chesedo for what
[18:34] <chesedo> Kilos: feedback...
[18:34] <chesedo> [20:33:09] <Kilos> yip
[18:34] <Kilos> oh
[18:35] <chesedo> all happy with the previous minutes?
[18:35] <paddatrapper> Yup, though I wasn't exactly there either
[18:36] <chesedo> paddatrapper: at previous meeting? (you have a debConf update)
[18:36] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed All happy with previous minutes
[18:36] <Maaz> Agreed: All happy with previous minutes
[18:36] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Plans for 2016
[18:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Plans for 2016
[18:36] <paddatrapper> chesedo: Correct
[18:36] <chesedo> Anyone wanting to (or planning) on getting Ubuntu membership or want to sign code of conduct?
[18:37] <tareq> chesedo: I would like to
[18:38] <paddatrapper> I'll be back in a minute
[18:38] <chesedo> tareq: which one?
[18:38] <chesedo> Kilos: ^^
[18:38] <chesedo> paddatrapper: ok
[18:38] <tareq> membership
[18:38]  * Kilos watching
[18:39] <tareq> I'm trying to make our loco team active
[18:39] <chesedo> Kilos: tareq wants to get Ubuntu membership can you give him some guidance?
[18:39] <Kilos> yip ill help him
[18:39] <tareq> planning to write some articles
[18:40] <chesedo> Kilos: great \o/!!!
[18:40] <paddatrapper> I be back
[18:40] <Kilos> wb frog boots
[18:40] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed Kilos to help tareq with Ubuntu membership
[18:40] <Maaz> Agreed: Kilos to help tareq with Ubuntu membership
[18:40] <chesedo> Ubuntu for Hope still has to get its official website up too
[18:40] <Kilos> oh my
[18:41] <Kilos> inetpro who is working on it
[18:41] <chesedo> magespawn: did you suggest starting with something for it?
[18:41]  * chesedo used Hugo this week and might use it if no one else has started anything...
[18:42] <Kilos> karl seems to be too busy
[18:43] <chesedo> overall here, do you guys prefer any css framework (have issues with some) as I know bootstrap and uikit
[18:43] <chesedo> and will use one of them...
[18:44] <Kilos> whatever works
[18:44] <chesedo> magespawn: did you suggest starting with something for the Ubuntu for Hope website?
[18:44] <tareq> thanks Maaz chesedo
[18:44] <Kilos> hi qwebirc98473
[18:44] <chesedo> with Hugo the content will be in Markdown so all should be ok there...
[18:44] <chesedo> hi qwebirc98473
[18:45] <Kilos> ohi Vince-0 wb
[18:45] <Vince-0> ohai
[18:45] <chesedo> will we try and have it up before next meeting guys? (me will start this week if anyone wants to help)
[18:47] <Kilos> oh chesedo tell karl if he wants some installs done i can help
[18:47] <chesedo> Kilos: will do...
[18:47] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed To get in contact with karl to organise help and website
[18:47] <Maaz> Agreed: To get in contact with karl to organise help and website
[18:48] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Events
[18:48] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:48] <chesedo> We have DebConf coming up this weekend with bootcamp currently being underway
[18:48] <chesedo> paddatrapper will be able to tell us more
[18:48] <paddatrapper> Yup, most people here are having lots of fun and have finished the local craft beer (more to be sourced)
[18:49] <chesedo> lol
[18:49] <Kilos> lol
[18:49] <paddatrapper> Open Weekend this weekend is free to all
[18:49] <chesedo> from the channel, who all will be attending?
[18:49] <paddatrapper> Featuring exhibits from lots of local companies, groups, etc
[18:49] <paddatrapper> superfly and I are already here
[18:50] <paddatrapper> andrewdl is attending
[18:50] <paddatrapper> From Saturday I think
[18:50] <superfly> kmf will be down too
[18:50] <superfly> hi
[18:50] <Kilos> hi superfly
[18:50] <chesedo> Vince-0: did you make the volunteering list?
[18:50] <superfly> paddatrapper: sorry, I never got to give you my flash drive today
[18:50] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:50] <Maaz> superfly: Righto
[18:50] <chesedo> hi superfly
[18:50] <paddatrapper> hey superfly, didn't run into you today it seems. Tomorrow it will have to be :)
[18:51] <superfly> paddatrapper: yes, lavamind and a few others kidnapped me for a tour of the peninsula
[18:51] <superfly> amazing day, but now I am zonked
[18:51] <Kilos> you guys need to wear pink beanies so you can find ach other
[18:51] <chesedo> lol
[18:51] <paddatrapper> So you're one who replaced nattie! Lol
[18:52] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Usually just heading to the orga room works
[18:52] <chesedo> will one of you be able to give us the exciting report of it at the next meeting?
[18:52] <superfly> chesedo: yes, there will be a report anyway
[18:53] <paddatrapper> Hopefully, if the orga team get their buts into gear, we'll be able to link the final report
[18:53] <chesedo> superfly: haha thanks
[18:53] <superfly> paddatrapper: you do know you're orga now, right?
[18:53] <Kilos> what is orga
[18:54] <chesedo> Kilos: think it is ORGAnizer
[18:54] <Vince-0> chesedo: no can do, i can't make it
[18:54] <Kilos> aha
[18:54] <Vince-0> Maaz: I am Vincent Swart
[18:54] <Maaz> Vince-0: Done
[18:54] <paddatrapper> superfly: Let me refrase: When highvoltage gets his butt into gear lol
[18:54] <Kilos> haha
[18:54] <chesedo> Vince-0: oh ok
[18:54] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Yeah - organiser
[18:55] <chesedo> all good if i move on?
[18:55] <pavlushka> Maaz I am S. M. Pavel Sayekat
[18:55] <Maaz> pavlushka: Righto
[18:55] <Kilos> eish paddatrapper you got dropped in at the deap end
[18:55] <paddatrapper> Kilos: And enjoying every moment of it :D
[18:55] <Kilos> deep
[18:55] <Kilos> goo
[18:55] <Kilos> d
[18:55]  * pavlushka lol
[18:55] <chesedo> ok one last thing, superfly paddatrapper any last minute helpers can still reach you on the channel right?
[18:55] <Kilos> keep our flag flying
[18:55] <paddatrapper> chesedo: For sure
[18:56] <chesedo> awesome
[18:56] <paddatrapper> Though now I'd suggest we should be promoting the Open Weekend, as registration is pretty much over
[18:56] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous
[18:56] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[18:56] <chesedo> paddatrapper: twitter, facebook other links we can share?
[18:57] <paddatrapper> chesedo: One second, I'll find the email...
[18:57] <chesedo> paddatrapper: oky
[18:58] <paddatrapper><EMAIL_ADDRESS>in the Pump.io network<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in the GNU Social Network, @debian or @debconf on Twitter
[18:58] <paddatrapper> #debconf
[18:58] <paddatrapper> #debconf16 too
[18:59] <chesedo> paddatrapper: any about the open weekend that can be retweeted, shared, etc.
[18:59]  * chesedo looking up @debconf
[19:00] <tareq> 1 AM here in Bangladesh
[19:00] <tareq> good night all
[19:00] <paddatrapper> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Open_Festival https://debconf16.debconf.org/open-festival/
[19:00] <Kilos> rest well tareq
[19:00] <Kilos> ty for visiting
[19:00] <tareq> :)
[19:01] <paddatrapper> chesedo: I'll keep looking and see what I can find
[19:02] <chesedo> inetpro: can our twitter channel retweet this -> https://twitter.com/trevorgowing/status/747418902682959877
[19:02] <chesedo> paddatrapper: great, i just can look for any on facebook
[19:02] <chesedo> s/can/cannot/
[19:03] <inetpro> chesedo: I'll do it asap
[19:03] <chesedo> inetpro: ty
[19:03] <paddatrapper> https://twitter.com/ConfChicken is the twitter account for Pollito - the DebConf chicken
[19:03] <chesedo> Kilos: I will carry the trello cleanup over to this month?
[19:04] <Kilos> lol
[19:04] <Kilos> were you going to do it chesedo ?
[19:04] <chesedo> Kilos: you
[19:04] <Kilos> what!
[19:04] <Kilos> you sure
[19:05] <paddatrapper> lol
[19:05]  * chesedo was to make time to help you :P
[19:05] <Kilos> i think
[19:05] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:05] <Kilos> ideal job for inetpro
[19:06] <chesedo> Kilos: guess we should do it at night (after family time) bit by bit so to get feedback when needed?
[19:06] <Kilos> the pro only gives feedback hours later
[19:07] <Kilos> after i have broken things
[19:07] <chesedo> Kilos: great so we and him can sleep on it :P
[19:07] <Kilos> lol yip
[19:07] <Kilos> you know where to find me
[19:08] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed To start cleaning trello up bit by bit after family time
[19:08] <Maaz> Agreed: To start cleaning trello up bit by bit after family time
[19:08] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:08] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:08] <chesedo> Anyone want to carry the stick for the next meeting?
[19:08]  * Kilos votes for chesedo
[19:08] <paddatrapper> I can't maths... When is the next meeting?
[19:09] <Kilos> if it aint broke dont try fix it
[19:09] <chesedo> paddatrapper: 26 jul
[19:09] <paddatrapper> chesedo: thanks
[19:09] <chesedo> no no Kilos
[19:09] <Kilos> what
[19:09] <chesedo> well seems like magority rule :P
[19:10] <Kilos> yes
[19:10] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed chesedo to chair next meeting
[19:10] <Maaz> Agreed: chesedo to chair next meeting
[19:10] <Kilos> thats me
[19:10] <paddatrapper> Except in Britain it seems
[19:10] <chesedo> [21:09:01] <Kilos> if it aint broke dont try fix it
[19:10] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:10] <chesedo> ... square wheels was never broke either...
[19:10] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Next meeting
[19:10] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next meeting
[19:10] <pavlushka> lol
[19:10] <paddatrapper> Well did those ever work in the first place?
[19:11] <chesedo> 26 jul is the correct date right?
[19:11] <pavlushka> ha ha ha
[19:11] <chesedo> paddatrapper: sure, everyone had a bounce it their step back then :P
[19:11] <Kilos> yip
[19:11] <paddatrapper> lol
[19:11] <chesedo> Maaz: agreed Next meeting is 26 July 2016 @ 20:30
[19:11] <Maaz> Agreed: Next meeting is 26 July 2016 @ 20:30
[19:12] <chesedo> Maaz: end meeting
[19:12] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:12] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-06-28-18-30-00.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-06-28-18-30-00.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-06-28-18-30-00.html
[19:12] <Kilos> chesedo ty for chairing
[19:12] <paddatrapper> Thanks chesedo
[19:12] <chesedo> Kilos paddatrapper: np
[19:12] <Kilos> oh paddatrapper is tumbles there?
[19:12] <Vince-0> wpwp
[19:13] <paddatrapper> Kilos: drinking beer at the next table along, yeah
[19:13] <chesedo> Maaz: last minutes is <reply> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-06-28-18-30-00.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-06-28-18-30-00.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-06-28-18-30-00.html
[19:13] <Maaz> chesedo: If you say so
[19:13] <Kilos> lol
[19:13] <paddatrapper> Playing cards by the looks of things
[19:13] <Kilos> tell him he isnt escaping from ibid
[19:13] <paddatrapper> Lol. I will!
[19:13] <chesedo> lol
[19:14] <chesedo> Kilos: for today trello bit, can we remove/archive the 'done for May 2015' list?
[19:14] <chesedo> ... or is there anything to check there still...
[19:15] <Kilos> all done stuff yip
[19:15] <Kilos> what is the link
[19:15] <Kilos> i was on trello 3 drives ago
[19:15] <chesedo> https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[19:15] <chesedo> Kilos: where have you driven to:P
[19:16] <Kilos> 2 hard drives and one ssd
[19:16] <chesedo> ooh, wow thanks inetpro
[19:17] <Kilos> eeek login stuff again
[19:20] <inetpro> chesedo: you're welcome
[19:22] <Kilos> what
[19:23] <Kilos> the build ubuntu africa site can be done and removed
[19:23] <chesedo> Kilos: inetpro changed the header
[19:23] <Kilos> wow that was long ago
[19:23] <pavlushka> Kilos: yes
[19:23] <Kilos> oh wow inetpro good man
[19:23] <Kilos> i normally have to nag
[19:23] <pavlushka> but I noticed first o/ :p
[19:23] <inetpro> time to hit the hay for me
[19:23] <Kilos> hehe
[19:24] <inetpro> good night
[19:24] <Kilos> sleep well inetpro
[19:24] <Kilos> and ty
[19:24] <pavlushka> good night inetpro !
[19:24] <chesedo> Kilos:  doned
[19:24] <chesedo> good night inetpro
[19:24] <Vince-0> aight
[19:24] <Kilos> funny how we drifted from trello
[19:25] <chesedo> Kilos: will archive the 'done may 2015' list and add a new one 'done before july 2016' for all the current ones?
[19:26] <Kilos> ok ty
[19:27] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:27] <Kilos> you pieter2627 hey
[19:27] <chesedo> Kilos: yes
[19:27] <Kilos> whew seems like years since you changed nicks
[19:28] <chesedo> Kilos: now we can go throught all the cards and move the done ones to the new list as we have time during the day...
[19:28] <chesedo> Kilos: less than 6 months
[19:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:28] <Kilos> ill  have to learn how to use trello again
[19:29] <Kilos> but its a good start
[19:29] <chesedo> Kilos: just click and drag to move
[19:29] <Kilos> ya we do that in day time
[19:30] <chesedo> Kilos: great
[19:30] <Kilos> i wonder what happened to mopkop
[19:30]  * chesedo thinks we should work out some sort of 'policy' so that the ToDo list does not become out of hand...
[19:31] <chesedo> maybe something to discuss at next meeting...
[19:31] <Kilos> haha
[19:31] <Kilos> yip, we can see when pro has time as well
[19:32] <Kilos> there is lots thats too much for us now
[19:32] <chesedo> yip
[19:32] <chesedo> guess night for now all...
[19:32] <Kilos> if i just do it he wets his nappy
[19:32] <Kilos> ty chesedo
[19:33] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:33] <chesedo> lol
[19:33] <Kilos> night superfly
[19:36] <superfly> good night everyone
[19:39] <pavlushka> Good night superfly !
[19:39] <magespawn> good night all
[19:41]  * nlsthzn got the time zones wrong and missed the meeting
[19:42] <nlsthzn> at least got to watch the final of Game of Thrones :)