[12:29] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: been one for a couple of years
[12:29] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:29] <asac> crazy :) has alioth been back-upped?
[12:30] <asac> i was admin :) ... now i am developer ;) and jordi and loic were out afaik
[12:30] <ajmitch> alioth has had plenty of db problems
[12:30] <asac> yeah looks like
[12:30] <asac> maybe what we see now is just a static copy of some state :)
[12:31] <asac> click on any link that needs db access
[12:31] <ajmitch> heh
[12:31] <ajmitch> old alioth db was restored back in feb
[12:31] <ajmitch> so a backup from november
[12:31] <ajmitch> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/02/msg00015.html
[12:32] <asac> yeah
[12:32] <asac> but db is again broken apparently
[12:32] <ajmitch> that's usual :)
[12:32] <asac> ajmitch: you have ldap6 package somewhere?
[12:33] <asac> would like to see what happens if i build tbird 2.0 against it :)
[12:33] <ajmitch> only at home
[12:33] <ajmitch> it'll break
[12:33] <asac> who knows :)
[12:33] <ajmitch> I'm sure it will :)
[12:33] <asac> why so sure?
[12:33] <ajmitch> you want source package?
[12:33] <asac> yes thats enough
[12:34] <ajmitch> dget http://ajmitch.net.nz/debuild/ubuntu/fds/mozldap_6.0.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[12:34] <ajmitch> hopefully there'll be a good chance it works
[12:34] <asac> works == builds ... or runs?
[12:35] <asac> is orig unmodified upstream orig?
[12:36] <ajmitch> ought to be
[12:36] <asac> ok change build-depends to libnss3-dev and libnspr4-dev
[12:36] <asac> you gt them from our preview archive :)
[12:36] <ajmitch> great
[12:37] <asac> and use --with-system-nss --with-system-nspr
[12:37] <asac> instead of -inc et al
[12:37] <gnomefreak> fx is almost done but i think i will upload tomorrow along with iceape
[12:37] <ajmitch> asac: you presume the makefile is sane?
[12:37] <asac> yes
[12:37] <asac> it works on most now
[12:38] <asac> if its broken we should fix it :)
[12:38] <ajmitch> the pkg-config file will most likely need fixed as well for versions
[12:38] <asac> if see no pkg-config file in source
[12:38] <asac> for mozldap
[12:39] <ajmitch> correct
[12:39] <asac> no pc$ nor pc.in$
[12:39] <ajmitch> I borrowed it from the fedora .spec
[12:39] <ajmitch> mozilla/directory/c-sdk/mozldap.pc.in
[12:40] <asac> ok
[12:40] <asac> anyway -dev package depends on pkg-config
[12:40] <asac> why?
[12:40] <ajmitch> there are of course all the .ex junk templates still lying around
[12:40] <asac> ajmitch: why isn't that pc.in file here?
[12:40] <asac> ah it is
[12:40] <asac> wierd
[12:41] <asac> i grepped for pc.in$
[12:41] <asac> didn't get result
[12:41] <ajmitch> isn't that usual to depend on pkg-config if you supply a .pc ?
[12:41] <asac> no
[12:41] <asac> its not essential
[12:41] <ajmitch> I've seen a number of other packages do it
[12:41] <asac> if a package needs pkg-config during build it needs to build-depend
[12:42] <asac> only valid reason would be if they use
[12:42] <asac> pkg-config from within an old-style config script
[12:42] <asac> e.g. if nspr-config would just call pkg-config nspr
[12:42] <asac> or something alike
[12:42] <asac> otherwise I think its a bug
[12:51] <gnomefreak> asac: does this mean your updating bzr when you are finished?
[12:51] <asac> when?
[12:51] <gnomefreak> for tb2 i saw something that you were gonna test it
[12:52] <gnomefreak> somewhere ^^^ up there
[12:52] <asac> ah ... no its for future
[12:52] <asac> not atm
[12:52] <asac> i will play around
[12:52] <ajmitch> btw, for pkg-mozilla svn do you use mergeWithUpstream & various things with svn-buildpackage?
[12:52] <asac> not more
[12:52] <asac> ajmitch: due to the size of mozilla sources we just have debian/ dir in repo
[12:52] <ajmitch> makes sense
[12:52] <asac> and provide rules target to build new orig.tar.gz
[12:53] <asac> ajmitch: unfortunately we have still 2 approaches
[12:53] <asac> 1: embedded tarball
[12:53] <asac> 2: extracted tarball
[12:53] <asac> all things that i initially packaged have embedded
[12:53] <asac> all that mike packaged have extracted
[12:54] <asac> point is that mike chose that way because eric hates debian/patches dir and even more embedded tarball
[12:54] <asac> so it was a compromise to use extracted source + debian/patches
[12:54] <gnomefreak> seems like it would be more work that way
[12:55] <asac> gnomefreak: dunno ... i like tarballs :)
[12:55] <asac> now with latest packages you can develop in built-tree like you develop in extracted dir ... so i see no reason not to ship embedded tarball
[12:55] <asac> at least for huge code-base things like thunderbird, firefox et al
[12:56] <asac> nspr and nss i am fine with extracted layout
[12:56] <gnomefreak> agreed
[12:56] <asac> a bit unhappy about iceape using that layout though
[12:56] <ajmitch> hard choices to make :)
[12:56] <gnomefreak> asac: well can we change it?
[12:56] <asac> we could, but that would mean we maintain alone ... not based on debian
[12:57] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:57] <ajmitch> and that would cause a lot of pain for little gain
[12:57] <gnomefreak> we are doing it for ff and tb arent we?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> since debian only uses them as transitional packages
[12:58] <asac> yes
[12:58] <asac> debian does not ship them
[12:59] <asac> they only have icedove and iceweasel and its a strategical decision to ship firefox and thunderbird in ubuntu
[12:59] <gnomefreak> i really hope it works for us though
[12:59] <asac> it works :)
[12:59] <asac> thats why i am here ;)
[01:00] <gnomefreak> i dont see many differences in ff and iceweasle other than little UI changes
[01:00] <ajmitch> asac: you were approved for core-dev, right?
[01:01] <asac> y
[01:02] <ajmitch> good, it's rather inconvenient to have to get sponsors :)
[01:03] <rhelmer> debian packages of mozilla apps are not really ideal :/
[01:04] <rhelmer> would be better to get patches upstream and the debian ones aren't really acceptable
[01:04] <asac> ha
[01:04] <asac> wrong i guess :)
[01:05] <rhelmer> mconnor disagreeing with the debian patches was one of the triggers for the whole iceweasel thing
[01:06] <rhelmer> the icon/trademark thing came later and is more murky imho
[01:06] <asac> yeah ... but be assured the only reason why debian had to go the iceweasel way was that mofo didn't allow to ship firefox as firefox if not the icon is shipped
[01:07] <asac> it was the only reason ... though discussion was triggered by patch review
[01:08] <rhelmer> yeah i understand, i think it's weird that debian has similar trademark and an official logo though :)
[01:08] <asac> we negotiated and the only unsolvable point was icon ... so it didn't make sense to do other things
[01:08] <rhelmer> i think the reasoning makes sense
[01:09] <asac> same as always ... existing examples of licensing problem justify to make a rule out of it
[01:09] <asac> don't justify
[01:10] <rhelmer> yeah i understand wanting the freedom to change whatever and allow others to easily make derivatives
[01:10] <asac> e.g. if you have package in debian under license X for some time ... then people find its (a little bit) non-free, package will usually not be removed, but license problem is tried to be resolved
[01:10] <asac> however new packages with that license won't be accepted
[01:10] <asac> debian shipped firefox/mozilla/thunderbird for years with not dfsg compatible sources
[01:10] <asac> because of good faith as mozilla was constantly working to fix these non-free bits
[01:27] <asac> gnomefreak: all should be in binary-amd64
[01:31] <gnomefreak> ok ill look and do release crap
[01:31] <asac> gnomefreak: we probably need binary-all
[01:31] <asac> where we put the _all debs
[01:31] <asac> look ... you will see
[01:31] <gnomefreak> k
[01:31] <asac> there are currently duplicates i guess
[01:31] <asac> iceape i will build tomorrow
[01:33] <gnomefreak> iceape is building now
[01:34] <gnomefreak> if we use it as is will apt grab from binary-64 for 64bit users
[01:34] <gnomefreak> binary-all is gonna be huge
[01:35] <gnomefreak> oh nvm you meant iceape64
[01:39] <gnomefreak> i may do that just combine the 64 and i386 dir. tomorrow
[01:39] <asac> ah ... don't upload changes
[01:39] <asac> please remove them
[01:39] <gnomefreak> cant do much of anything
[01:40] <asac> no binary-all is only files that have _all.*deb
[01:40] <asac> look at filenames
[01:40] <asac> there are _i386*deb
[01:40] <asac> _amd64*deb
[01:40] <asac> and _all*deb
[01:40] <gnomefreak> none of the 64 packages were seen by dpkg-scanpackages dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/ /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz but maybe because they are new no old ones are there
[01:41] <gnomefreak> oh ok i see what your saying
[01:42] <gnomefreak> mv Packages.gz dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/   isnt gonna work is it
[01:42] <gnomefreak> shoot
[01:42] <gnomefreak> maybe i need another release file for that
[01:50] <asac> you have to generate with dpkg-scanpackages for each binary-XXX directory
[01:50] <asac> not more
[01:50] <asac> then from top create Release again
[01:50] <asac> ok night
[01:51] <gnomefreak> wait on the top release file it has i386 should i add amd64 after it
[01:53] <gnomefreak> ok should be done please test in morning since you will be here long before i get up im sure
[04:24] <asac> gnomefreak: looks good ... building tbird ... iceape mt6 still not there though ... night
[04:25] <asac> there is a diff.gz leftover in binary-amd64
[04:25] <asac> can be removed i guess
[04:27] <gnomefreak> im uploading all tomorrow morning im building tb right now
[04:27] <gnomefreak> nigyht
[04:43] <DarkMageZ> any chance of someone having a look @ launchpad bug #34582?
[04:43] <ubotu> Malone bug 34582 in firefox "right clicking switches page direction." [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/34582
[04:51] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: tomorrow if i get time
[09:45] <gnomefreak> asac: i didnt bump tb version up will it still update to the new one or should i change it from thunderbird_1.99.rc1+2.0-1 to thunderbird_1.99.rc1+2.0-2?
[09:47] <gnomefreak> and yes its extreamly early
[10:43] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: a bit early for you to be up no?
[10:52] <AlexLatchford> could say the same for you
[10:52] <AlexLatchford> been up all night?
[10:52] <gnomefreak> yeah it is
[10:52] <gnomefreak> no
[10:53] <gnomefreak> i slept about 4 hours
[10:53] <AlexLatchford> Heh, fair enough
[10:53] <AlexLatchford> anyone heard from David?
[10:53] <gnomefreak> been trying to get everything built. last i saw of him he unsubscribed from one of the mailing lists
[10:54] <AlexLatchford> which one?
[10:54] <gnomefreak> i dont remember it was about a week ago
[10:54] <gnomefreak> i think bugs
[10:55] <AlexLatchford> Hmm, he hasn't posted to the list in a month
[10:55] <AlexLatchford> He is still subscribed to the wiki changes I see
[10:56] <gnomefreak> last i heard his dad died so it may be a while before we see him
[10:58] <AlexLatchford> yeah
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: up all night doing some school work
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> got a presentation this afternoon
[11:01] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: sorry to hear that
[11:07] <Admiral_Chicago> yea...not too happy about that
[11:07] <Admiral_Chicago> brb
[11:10] <DarkMageZ> gnomefreak, oh but that bug i mentioned 6 hours ago :(
[11:14] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: as soon as i can i will look at it
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> so why are you up this late?
[11:27] <DarkMageZ> 7:27pm here
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> @now chicago
[11:27] <ubotu> Current time in America/Chicago: April 20 2007, 04:27:15 - Next meeting: Support Team in 1 day
[11:28] <gnomefreak> 5:28am here :(
[11:29] <gnomefreak> been up for about 2 hours
[11:29] <Admiral_Chicago> yea...
[11:30] <Admiral_Chicago> the hunspell one?
[11:31] <gnomefreak> yep
[11:32] <gnomefreak> had to rebuild everything that depended on it
[11:32] <Admiral_Chicago> yea I *just* changed my version
[11:33] <gnomefreak> i started fixing this at around 3pm yesterday
[11:33] <DarkMageZ> i'm thinking of building firefox against qt instead of gtk to see if that affects my bug
[11:34] <Admiral_Chicago> DarkMageZ: that would be a tall order
[11:35] <gnomefreak> it maybe a libgtk/libqt bug but i would need to look at it. i need about another 30-60 minutes before i can get to it
[11:35] <DarkMageZ> yes, but darkmagez is already being supervised by sane people. if this causes darkmagez to snap. then the proper authorities will be alerted. *nod*
[11:54] <gnomefreak> ok everything should be fixed now
[11:54] <gnomefreak> testing atm
[11:56] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[11:58] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: you still here?
[12:00] <kuno_> hi. i downloaded the tar.gz file for thunderbird 2. what do i need to do in order to install it on edgy?
[12:01] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, AlexLatchford did we do TBNewVersion
[12:01] <Admiral_Chicago> kuno_: give us a second
[12:02] <Admiral_Chicago> kuno_: the easiest way would be to open up a terminal and type something like sudo mkdir /opt/Thundbird && mv *.tar.gz
[12:02] <Admiral_Chicago> extract it in that folder (with root privelages)
[12:02] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: that is not firefox issue. if you right click on bottom dont move the mouse adn you will see right about where curser is (is page direction) so slow down your mouse speed (i think its possible)
[12:02] <Admiral_Chicago> and then make a link there
[12:02] <gnomefreak> in repo :)
[12:02] <Admiral_Chicago> kuno_: i'm making it too complicated. listen to gnomefreak
[12:03] <gnomefreak> !moztest
[12:03] <ubotu> The mozilla-testing repo can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives
[12:03] <kuno_> i'll try
[12:03] <gnomefreak> install package named thunderbird
[12:03] <kuno_> but tb2 is not testing any more
[12:04] <gnomefreak> kuno_: it is for feisty
[12:04] <gnomefreak> kuno_: seeing as its not in feisty
[12:04] <gnomefreak> will be updated to final as soon as i can get to it
[12:04] <DarkMageZ> gnomefreak, if replicated exactly right. without moving the mouse. a single right click can change the page direction.
[12:04] <Admiral_Chicago> kuno_: it is for us (Mozilla Team) to have the latest releases to test and do work on bugs
[12:05] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: not here is doesnt
[12:05] <Admiral_Chicago> afak
[12:05] <DarkMageZ> gnomefreak, what gnome/gtk theme are you using?
[12:05] <kuno_> gnomefreak: but can i install it from that repo on edgy without problems?
[12:05] <Admiral_Chicago> afaik and afk
[12:05] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: its custom
[12:05] <gnomefreak> kuno_: no
[12:05] <gnomefreak> kuno_: that is not build for edgy
[12:05] <DarkMageZ> gnomefreak, i noticed that some themes don't trigger it. try the human theme by ubuntu
[12:06] <kuno_> gnomefreak: understand. i'll try Admiral_Chicago's way
[12:06] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: i believe we know about this bug already. i will ask asac when he gets here but im sure ive seen this before
[12:06] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: AlexLatchford said he would update wiki sometime this weekend
[12:09] <Admiral_Chicago> I saw that last night,wasn't sure if he got around to it
[12:14] <gnomefreak> i need to find updated changelog to trunk build :(
[12:14] <gnomefreak> upstream
[12:14] <Admiral_Chicago>  crap, time to go back to work
[12:14] <gnomefreak> have fun
[12:15] <gnomefreak> is LP really slow for anyone else?
[12:16] <Admiral_Chicago> not here
[12:16] <gnomefreak> your using feistys firefox?
[12:17] <kuno_> Admiral_Chicago: Where should I make a link from?
[12:21] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: yes.
[12:22] <Admiral_Chicago> kuno_: explain please
[12:22] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: i think he means sym links
[12:23] <Admiral_Chicago> ah
[12:24] <kuno_> further up, i asked about installation of tb2, and you said, i should make a new directory, decompress tb2 and link there
[12:24] <Admiral_Chicago> kuno_: I mean link your accounts there or something. not sure how TB handles that, I don't use TB at all.
[12:25] <Admiral_Chicago> I'm pretty sure you can bring your old profile
[12:25] <kuno_> they said so
[12:25] <kuno_> i'll see
[12:25] <Admiral_Chicago> and rederict your launcher to point to /opt/Thunderbird/thunderbird.sh or however it runs
[12:26] <kuno_> ok
[12:32] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm it seems to be alpha 4 :)
[05:18] <asac_> sorry i don't think that i can contribute in a useful way today ... i am suffering under some flu with bad headaches
[10:22] <gnomefreak> asac: how you feeling?
[10:23] <gnomefreak> asac: anyway im still in and out today. ping me if you need anything
[10:23] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: thank you and your approved
[10:24] <bluekuja> thanks a lot gnomefreak :)
[10:24] <bluekuja> my work will be more for testing and bugs triaging
[10:24] <bluekuja> and if you need some wiki
[10:24] <bluekuja> ;)
[10:24] <gnomefreak> that works perfect
[10:25] <bluekuja> happy to be in!
[10:26] <gnomefreak> happy to have you.
[10:26] <bluekuja> :)
[10:27] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: just a warning today is a slow day for everyone afaik. me and asac have put in 16+ hour days the past couple of weeks
[10:27] <bluekuja> oh ok np :)
[10:27] <bluekuja> anyway if someone need something, feel free to pm me everytime you see me on
[10:52] <gnomefreak> since im taking part of the weekend off and i have 2 days next week i may not be here much im updating firefox-trunk in repos tonight. should be done within 12-24 hours that includes update to repo.


[04:42] <klepas> troy_s: i didn't say that there were only people who wanted to dabble
[04:42] <klepas> i just hate a whole crapload of stuff to read through
[04:42] <klepas> i feel it limits my creativity
[04:42] <klepas> the most amount of specs i would find acceptable is something around the mark of the tango icon guidelines
[04:43] <klepas> also +1 for it being in a nice, simple and easy-to-read/navigate manner (ie. the tango icon guidelines)
[05:33] <troy_s> the tango guidelines are a good start,
[05:33] <troy_s> but far from a comprehensive design document.
[05:35] <troy_s> and while you might hate documents to read through, there are many who rely on them for directed development.  its simply one of the byproducts of professional development.
[06:53] <Jak08> ok, I know i have popped in a few times in the past, but yesterday i was able to get ubuntu to install using vmware fusion for my mac, so I am now able to actually contribute
[05:25] <gouki> Hi! I'm looking for someone who can give me a hand on a implementation of a Planet (webdesign side of things).


[06:42] <pulz> seems i was incorrect when using start stop daemon its tracking the wrong pid
[06:58] <SpamapS> pulz: would you mind pasting your job file somewhere so we can take a look?
[07:53] <pulz>  hehe, i mangled it now, but i can put up here the orig and the new
[07:56] <pulz> SpamapS: http://pastebin.com/AkszchTK here you go
[07:56] <pulz> and thx for the intrest
[14:01] <JanC> pulz: you should probably use one of the matching options of start-stop-daemon
[14:02] <JanC> e.g. the -p/--pidfile option
[14:40] <SpamapS> pulz: just drop the -D and the 'expect fork'
[14:41] <SpamapS> amazing how many things do daemonization *wrong*
[14:42] <SpamapS> https://github.com/gamelinux/passivedns/blob/master/src/passivedns.c
[14:42] <SpamapS> should not daemonize until after compiling the pcap config and setting up the filters
[15:48] <pulz> SpamapS: so the program is wrong ?
[15:54] <SpamapS> pulz: well, its silly that it crashes after daemonize() is called, thats all
[15:55] <SpamapS> pulz: anyway, there's no reason to need -D and use 'expect fork'.. just run it without -D, and without expect fork, and you'll have an easier time....
[15:56] <SpamapS> pulz: that said, if it immediately crashes, you should see something about that in /var/log/syslog, like "passivedns exitted with exit code 1"
[16:00] <pulz> im assigning it the wrong interface to listen to, so it doesnt crash just exit to quick ?
[16:05] <SpamapS> pulz: yeah not much upstart can do about that :)
[16:05] <SpamapS> pulz: note that if you are on Ubuntu 11.10 or later you should have a log of its output in /var/log/upstart/passivedns.log (assuming your job is /etc/init/passivedns.conf)
[16:39] <pulz> SpamapS: yes it does, just tells you that it cant open the interface ([*] Error pcap_open_live: eth1: No such device exists (SIOCGIFHWADDR: No such device))
[19:07] <meme> hello. i'm trying to daemonize node.js, with upstart. i follow this tut http://howtonode.org/deploying-node-upstart-monit , it gives a configuration sample, but it never mentions where it should go. any tips?
[19:11] <SpamapS> meme: reading
[19:12] <SpamapS> meme: /etc/init/yourprogram.conf
[19:12] <SpamapS> meme: which, it says
[19:20] <meme> huh? really?
[19:21] <SpamapS> meme: yes, its in the paragraph right under the upstart config block
[19:24] <meme> oh, yes. now i see, i just got confused, thanks for pointing that out
[19:25] <SpamapS> meme: thanks for using upstart. :) Thats a pretty good article btw :)
[19:25] <meme> oky :)
[19:25] <SpamapS> meme: note that the pre-start and pre-stop in that job file are *completely* unnecessary
[19:26] <SpamapS> meme: as is the script section.. it could be rewritten quite a bit simpler
[19:26] <meme> alright, cheers
[19:26] <SpamapS> meme: also 'start on startup' is dead wrong
[19:27] <SpamapS> ok never mind that article is not so smart ;)
[19:27] <meme> o.O
[19:27] <meme> lol
[19:27] <meme> i just need the basics, for now
[19:27] <SpamapS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1170475/
[19:27] <SpamapS> thats all you need
[19:28] <SpamapS> meme: start on startup just won't work unfortunately.. startup is before the filesystems are mounted, before networking is up..
[19:28] <SpamapS> it probably accidentally works only because the root FS is mounted (readonly) and the thing listens on <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:29] <SpamapS> but the monit stuff is, I think, alright :)
[19:30] <meme> it's ok, it is just for my personal site now, not a multi million traffic site :D
[19:31] <meme> who knows in the future.... I have nginx as a proxy, so the power is there
[19:37] <meme> `start on (filesystem and net-device-up IFACE!=lo)`
[19:38] <SpamapS> ew
[19:38] <SpamapS> don't use that
[19:38] <SpamapS> ever
[19:38] <SpamapS> meme: thats going to get you into trouble. Just trust that runlevel 2 is "when things are basically ready"
[19:38] <meme> lol, someone at node,js is telling me, cauze i have asked the same question there also, lol
[19:39] <SpamapS> yeah
[19:39] <SpamapS> its a common misconception because a lot of official Ubuntu packages use it still
[19:39] <SpamapS> but having rewritten the code th delay runlevel 2 until things are ready.. I'm well aware.. use runlevel 2. :)
[19:39] <meme> i see, thanks god i meet you, you seems like an expert
[19:39] <SpamapS> actually, having participated in the rewrite that smoser did .. :)
[19:39] <SpamapS> meme: its only good in 11.10 and later. In 10.04 .. runlevel 2 is too early usually
[19:40] <meme> i see
[19:40] <meme> so i will just stick with the bin you gave me for now, let's see what's happen
[20:49] <meme> SpamapS, i cannot get it to work. do you think that for the fact i'm using nginx as a proxy, it could be there some conflict?
[20:49] <SpamapS> meme: nginx would be a completely different process, so no
[20:49] <SpamapS> meme: why don't you try connecting directly to the node.js port, just to see if it works?
[20:50] <meme> ok, but how?
[20:50] <meme> i got the system message and all, app start/running, process 7613
[20:50] <meme> after i do sudo start app
[20:51] <meme> where app, is the app.js file, in my node app, it is an express app(not sure if you know node )
[20:51] <meme> but i got a 502, if i visit the domain
[20:52] <meme> when using the upstart
[20:53] <meme> if i just do a normal node app.js command, all works with nginx
[20:54] <SpamapS> meme: oh, I think you might need $HOME set
[20:55] <SpamapS> meme: so add a line..  'env HOME=/wherever/users/home/is'
[20:55] <SpamapS> meme: i bet node is printing stuff into /var/log/upstart/app.log tho
[20:55] <meme> lemme me check
[20:56] <meme> i will vim'it
[20:56] <meme> ;P
[20:57] <meme> nope, it is not, it is empty
[20:58] <meme> i have the app in my $HOME user folder
[20:59] <meme> if i env HOME=/wherever/users/home/is same as env HOME=/home/[username] ?
[20:59] <meme> or  env HOME=/home/[username]/sites/domain.com/public/app.js ?
[21:05] <meme> ugh, i'm getting a lil bit frustrated, i will try this now https://github.com/nodejitsu/forever
[21:05] <meme> i just need a quick hack for now
[21:37] <pulz> SpamapS: about your fix, when disabling the daemon flag and just using exec it forks 13 procs
[21:42] <SpamapS> pulz: yeah that shouldn't really matter though
[21:45] <meme> mm, i think i have a clue now, when trying to unistall i got npm WARN uninstall not installed in /usr/lib/node_modules: "npm"
[21:46] <meme> ops, sry
[22:15] <JanC> SpamapS: "runlevel 2" should be renamed to something more sensible IMO  ;)
[22:16] <SpamapS> JanC: *100%* agree
[22:16] <SpamapS> JanC: I meant to work on that this cycle but it got pushed out by other stuff
[22:16] <SpamapS> JanC: I think  'start on starting network-services' and 'stop on stopping network-services' makes a *lot* more sense.
[22:16] <SpamapS> JanC: there's another benefit to that which is that we can then have back our sequencing of things we want to start "after everything normal"
[22:17] <SpamapS> like cron
[22:19] <JanC> as long as it uses human-understandable names that are more or less self-explanatory  ☺
[22:21] <JanC> and of course well-documented
[22:22] <SpamapS> yeah, runlevels are just left overs
[22:23] <SpamapS> But I intend to have that network-services job 'start on runlevel [2345]' and 'stop on runlevel [016]'
[22:23] <SpamapS> but having a job to follow gives us sequencing so its better then runlevel whcih is just a signal


[00:19] <BlueFire> hi We are from canonical , We open Our Support Channel at channel #fireball
[00:26] <tomreyn> !ot | BlueFire
[00:43] <morganu> i Am trying to verify my 22.04 Ddownload and get this problem. https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/FTrKJmbsc7/
[00:44] <morganu> My instructions I am trying to follow are here: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-verify-ubuntu#4-retrieve-the-correct-signature-key
[00:45] <pragma-> I really hate that ubottu uses | instead of > to direct output to users.
[00:46] <morganu> pragma-, Dont hate nothin, cept hatred.
[00:46] <morganu> help me instead.
[00:47] <tomreyn> morganu: do you have both files SHA256SUMS and SHA256SUMS.gpg?
[00:48] <tomreyn> and which instructions are you following there?
[00:48] <morganu> I thought one was a number and the other was a command
[00:48] <morganu> I am on 3
[00:48] <fbiagent> hi, dumb question... how do I upgrade pulseaudio? My headset is better supported under v15 so I wanted to try it on 20.04 right now
[00:48] <tomreyn> pragma-: it uses what you tell it to use, but this is not the place to discuss ubottu.
[00:48] <morganu> Isnt there a gui way of doing it where I give it the hash and the filename.iso
[00:50] <morganu> I tried it yesterday and didnt work, and today again more carefully. I have done it before with terminal np. obviously at least 2 years ago.
[00:50] <tomreyn> morganu: gpg is a CLI application. there are some attempts for graphical frontends to it.
[00:51] <tomreyn> morganu: i don't think you answered any of my questions, but maybe i just didn't understand.
[00:51] <morganu> I have never needed gpg to check it before but I am willing to do whatever is in vogue.
[00:51] <tomreyn> !latest | fbiagent
[00:51] <morganu> maybe I didnt. I did check that the programs shasum256... and the ....gpg were both present as they should be.
[00:52] <morganu> that was stip 2 iir
[00:52] <fbiagent> tomreyn, thanks looks like it's supported in the latest LTS
[00:52] <morganu> i have the sha256sum number.
[00:52] <tomreyn> fbiagent: good, i just wanted to suggest looking into that
[00:52] <morganu> ah ha a new instruction page which askes for the iso.
[00:53] <morganu> let me try it.
[00:57] <tomreyn> morganu: i can hardly follow. maybe you just need a better how-to? https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-verify-ubuntu
[00:58] <morganu> Right tomreyn I used this one just now just fine. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToSHA256SUM
[00:59] <morganu> the one you gave me is the same test as the one that did NOT work for me.
[00:59] <morganu> so there you go.
[01:00] <tomreyn> morganu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToSHA256SUM does not explain how to (cryptographically securely) verify you have the original SHA256SUMS file
[01:01] <tomreyn> it only explains how to verify the downloaded iso file downloaded correctly, not that it is authentic.
[01:01] <morganu> Knowing I did it before helps a lot. ... Yes you men someone "could have" hacked the ubuntu page on the ubuntu site. -- well yes but they couldnt explain it for me and I aint no wet trout.
[01:01] <morganu> Success.
[01:02] <tomreyn> i'll be happy to try and explain more if you want to explain where https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-verify-ubuntu failed to work for you.
[01:07] <rrr> I have a miss-configure bridge device called netplan-br0 which when disabled the internet works correctly alongside a correct bridge. can I somehow permanently remove this device, so it doesn't try to be active any more?
[01:08] <tomreyn> rrr: i can repeat my previous answer: find out how it is configured and deconfigure it, then it should not 'try to be active' anymore.
[01:09] <tomreyn> netplan is how you configure networking on ubuntu servers
[01:09] <tomreyn> !netplan
[01:09] <rrr> I am unsure how it remains, after I have removed it several times.
[01:09] <rrr> I have tried nmcli and network-manager
[01:09] <rrr> and nmtui
[01:09] <tomreyn> network-manager is how you usually configure networking on desktops
[01:10] <tomreyn> you can use it on servers, too, and vice versa, i'm just explaining what's the defaults and how these are alternatives to one another
[01:11] <tomreyn> you *may* have this netplan-br0 configured in /etc/netplan*
[01:13] <rrr> that looks right. ok thank you.
[01:53] <MinusSeven> sorry about the parting and returning
[01:53] <MinusSeven> just setting mIRC up
[01:55] <enigma9o7[m]> You are forgiven for the leaving and rejoining 3 times.  Using mIRC in 2022, in an ubuntu channel for that matter, dunno if thats forgiveable.
[01:56] <MinusSeven> i got banned from #Java for 4 hours because of it
[01:56] <MinusSeven> ok, I get it
[01:56] <MinusSeven> I'm using windows for mIRC
[01:57] <MinusSeven> what are you using?
[01:57] <tomreyn> you can use any irc client that works, here, but please stay on topic, ubuntu support.
[01:57] <MinusSeven> i'm running Ubuntu in VMware
[01:57] <enigma9o7[m]> I don't even use an actual IRC client anymore myself, I use a matrix client which indrectly supports a few irc networks.
[01:58] <enigma9o7[m]> but w hen I use real irc, i use irssi or hexchat.
[01:58] <MinusSeven> I like irssi too
[01:59] <enigma9o7[m]> hexchat is not very impressive tho, looks the same as 20 years ago.
[01:59] <enigma9o7[m]> works fine and fully functional.  just looks old.
[02:00] <dixon> which one do you like? enigma9o7[m]
[02:01] <dixon> sorri, late to another chat, catch up later
[02:46] <BionicBastard> So every time I run updates from command line, I get the following warning.  Is there anything I can do to mute it or fix it?
[02:46] <BionicBastard> Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168fp-3.fw for module r8169
[02:50] <tomreyn> BionicBastard: show the full command, and the full output you get, on a pastebin-like service such as termbin.com
[02:51] <BionicBastard> Ok I will do that.
[02:52] <tomreyn> normally, a message such as "Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168fp-3.fw for module r8169" should only be printed when update-initramfs runs
[02:53] <BionicBastard> that explains why it didnt repapar when i just tried running updates again ;)
[02:53] <tomreyn> so "every time I run updates" seems to not actually be the case
[02:54] <tomreyn> it's a warning only anyways, so it should not do any harm
[02:54] <tomreyn> (unless you actually depend on this firmware, but you probably don't)
[03:08] <BionicBastard> I'm sorry I disconnected I didnt even know that happened.  I am repeating my last messages cuz I dunno if they were even sent. https://paste.slitaz.org/?cb19887dda1505e4#C6VceQFtP7L1qRWndUu1+2rx4z2ZAQ9n+eku3bJgsqY= is the paste of the error, and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=947356 i found when web searfching may be related
[03:08] <BionicBastard> about similar problem in debian that was fixed couple years ago
[03:10] <BionicBastard> thanks ubottu, yeah thats right.
[03:10] <tomreyn> !irclogs | BionicBastard: see https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/latest/%23ubuntu.html , also
[03:10] <BionicBastard> but my original question is, is there something i should fix, or if not, cani mute the warning
[03:12] <BionicBastard> Ah thanks for the log. I also answered Tom, and said, yes it is, because I only run updates every month or two, so every time I run updates, I've got that message.
[03:12] <BionicBastard> But I guess technically you are also right, cuzI ran it again to try to generate the warning to paste per someoines request, and disocvered it didnt, but then someone told me the right command, which is what i used int he paste.
[03:14] <tomreyn> these warnings are often benign. i do not know whether they can be suppressed, maybe there is an update-initramfs or mkinitramfs configuration to disable them.
[03:15] <tomreyn> i don't consider them to do any harm.
[03:15] <BionicBastard> Yeah no harm and nothing not working as expected.
[03:15] <BionicBastard> So I'll continue to ignore.
[03:16] <BionicBastard> I just would like them gone for no reason, other than I don't like reading them.
[03:16] <BionicBastard> it seems in debian they fixed it by providing something in their firmware package tho.  so maybe i wouldnt get this in focal or jammy anyway.
[03:17] <BionicBastard> but that needs more bits
[03:18] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release are you running there?
[03:18] <BionicBastard> lubuntu 18.04
[03:18] <tomreyn> that's EOL
[03:18] <BionicBastard> no its not
[03:18] <BionicBastard> i still got another year
[03:18] <tomreyn> ubuntu 18.04 yes, lubuntu not
[03:19] <tomreyn> and indeed, if the newer releases ship this firmware file, that would suppress this message
[03:20] <BionicBastard> Hmmmm waht does that mean then?  Firefox/etc still updating, but not lxde?
[03:20] <BionicBastard> I didnt realize other desktops didnt follow the same maintaince schedule as gnome.
[03:20] <BionicBastard> Cuz I'm still getting firefox and kernel updates.
[03:21] <BionicBastard> And assumed they'd keep coming til next spring.
[03:21] <tomreyn> https://lubuntu.me/bionic-eol/
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> flavours of ubuntu have other schedules
[03:21] <tomreyn> the foundation is the same across the flavors, but not the desktops. your desktop has lost support.
[03:23] <tomreyn> note this blog post is from last year, not this
[03:24] <BionicBastard> I handt planned on upgrading until next year because everything works great, and I'm 32-bit, and LXDE doesnt exist in future ubuntu, and just like that message you just sent me says, i cant upgrade anywaym, have to fresh install.
[03:24] <BionicBastard> But now you have me concernedf.  But since I'm still getting kernel and browser updates, which is where the most likely security problems crop upo, and becuase its a home computer not used for anything special, I think I'll be okay, yeah?
[03:24] <tomreyn> 32-bit also doesn't exist in the presence and future
[03:25] <BionicBastard> The computer is in fact 64-bit, I've just been using 32-bit OS as I only have 4GB ram anyway.
[03:25] <BionicBastard> (And I installed in 2015)
[03:26] <tomreyn> backup, add more ram, or replace hardware, install fresh, restore backups.
[03:26] <BionicBastard> Yeah or wait til next year to do that.
[03:27] <tomreyn> that means continuing to run EOL software.
[03:27] <tomreyn> you could switch to Gnome, that's still supported
[03:27] <BionicBastard> only the desktop, right?  AS I just rambled about, since kernel and browser still updating, I'm ok.
[03:27] <tomreyn> anything that related to the flavour really
[03:27] <tomreyn> *relates
[03:28] <BionicBastard> Yeah I could, but this is old pc and runs great on lxde; I tried gnome 6 years ago and preferred lxde because of performance, i'm pretty sure it'd be even slower now.
[03:51] <BionicBastard> Ok Ubuntu gurus thanks for your help, I bid you adieu.
[04:33] <enigma9o7[m]> Cant one just install ubuntu server, then install LXDE, if you still want that?  "?   That's full supported right?  Or how does that work then, does it count as regular ubuntu still?
[04:33] <enigma9o7[m]> Cuz that works fine :)
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[04:35] <lotuspsychje> enigma9o7[m]: any user is allowed to install flavours on his ubuntu picked base, but when trying to uninstall things is when the frankenubuntu problems arise
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> so yes its supported, but usualy we reccomend to choose your !flavour and stick to it
[04:39] <enigma9o7[m]> How bout if you want something like enlightenment; it's in the repos, but no flavor offers it by default.
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[04:41] <lotuspsychje> enigma9o7[m]: window managers are the users choice, feel free to experiment with them, some can be tricky too, needs configs etc
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> see !backup before you experiment :p
[04:44] <SudoBash> does anyone know where the mate session settings are stored? like the panel layout, selected icons, etc?
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: perhaps^
[04:45] <SudoBash> is it in a config or dconf?
[04:46] <SudoBash> in ~/.config the mate and mate-session directories are empty
[04:46] <alkisg> SudoBash: in gsettings
[04:46] <alkisg> dconf
[04:47] <SudoBash> I want to put the layout that I use in an alpine distro I have ready
[04:48] <enigma9o7[m]> that sounds super sweet
[04:53] <alkisg> The layouts shipped by distributions are in /usr/share/mate-panel/layouts
[04:55] <SudoBash> omg you kick ass
[05:15] <SudoBash> so that's awesome cause it's the same on ubuntu and alpine, what about the dconf config, surely it's a similar config to those defaults
[05:20] <SudoBash> oh god it is in dconf
[06:34] <Mahesh> Hi team
[06:35] <Mahesh> need help my ubuntu 20.10 version gui mode is not loading suddenly need help for resolve this issue
[06:41] <Mahesh> ?
[07:00] <oops> my os is upgraded to 22.04 from 20.04, when i check $PATH , it existed but it doesn't locate in "~/.bashrc" and "/etc/profile", where does this legacy $PATH locate? if i need define new $PATH , do i need to remove legacy $PATH
[08:26] <pi0> i installed ubuntu server, however it does not seem to save my user account
[08:27] <pi0> is there a strick to have it save it?
[08:30] <gordonjcp> what do you mean "save my user account"?
[08:33] <pi0> i just went thru this entire process https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/step-by-step
[08:33] <pi0> i cannot log in
[08:36] <EriC^> pi0: maybe you did the OEM install?
[08:36] <EriC^> nevermind
[08:36] <Itay> In  one server i run apt-get update and get `Packages.xz  File has unexpected size`, im using offline personal ubuntu mirror.
[08:36] <Itay> on my mirror server I can run apt-get update without errors. apt clean didnt help.
[08:36] <Itay> any ideas?
[08:36] <EriC^> pi0: reset the password using grub and set it to something very simple
[08:38] <pi0> do i reset it with a boot usb?
[08:38] <EriC^> no, just hold shift to get grub-> advanced -> recovery
[08:39] <EriC^> then 'drop to root shell' then remount rw, "mount -o remount,rw /" and do "passwd <your username>" to change it
[08:41] <pi0> i installed ubuntu server on a macbook pro
[08:41] <pi0> holding down the shift did not get me into  grub
[08:41] <pi0> i also enabled luks
[08:41] <pi0> not sure how long i need to hold shift for
[08:42] <EriC^> maybe esc will do it
[08:43] <Itay> my issue was solved using
[08:43] <Itay> rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[08:43] <pi0> boot into efi?
[08:44] <EriC^> yeah
[08:46] <pi0> i am at grub>
[08:46] <pi0> how do i get a shell from there
[08:47] <EriC^> type 'normal' you should get the menu back
[08:47] <EriC^> or pess esc
[08:47] <arraybolt3> pi0: Sorry if this is a misguided responce (I only just now logged in and didn't see anything you typed before), but are you dealing with a boot issue or trying to get into recovery mode?
[08:47] <EriC^> he's trying to get into recovery mode to reset his pass
[08:48] <pi0> grub 2.06
[08:48] <pi0> try or install ubuntu server
[08:48] <pi0> boot from next volume
[08:48] <pi0> uefi firmware settings
[08:48] <pi0> those are my options
[08:48] <EriC^> pi0: it sounds like that's the usb installer grub
[08:48] <arraybolt3> pi0: Sounds like you booted an ISO. That's not what you need AFAIK.
[08:48] <EriC^> you need to remove it and boot the grub on your disk
[08:49] <pi0> it seeems to go so fast and i am not able to get into grub
[08:49] <EriC^> can you get a shell from 'try or install ubuntu server' ?
[08:49] <arraybolt3> pi0: Hammer "Esc" the moment the screen goes totally black - and just keep hammering it over and over.
[08:49] <EriC^> pressing ctrl+alt+f2 might give you a tty/shell
[08:49] <EriC^> (in the installer)
[08:50] <arraybolt3> pi0: After pressing ctrl+alt+f2, use the username "ubuntu" and a blank password. I think that should get you to a shell.
[08:51] <pi0> let me see if i can drop into a shell from the installer
[08:52] <arraybolt3> pi0: The "ctrl+alt+f2" is how you drop to a shell from the installer, if it allows it.
[08:55] <pi0> mount -o remount,rw /
[08:55] <pi0> i dropped into a shell typed that
[08:55] <pi0> but
[09:05] <EriC^> pi0: you have to mount your install's root fs
[09:05] <EriC^> the mount stuff was for use in grub's recovery
[09:07] <pi0> reinstalled it again
[09:07] <pi0> booting it back up
[09:07] <pi0> fingers crossed
[09:10] <pi0> damn
[09:10] <pi0> no mater what
[09:10] <pi0> it just does not save the account info
[09:10] <pi0> weird
[09:11] <pi0> 22.04 server iso
[09:16] <pi0> the motivation is to install the most current os without the gui
[09:18] <lsd|2> sudo apt-get install manpages-pl its proposing some random packages "sensible-utils procps:i386 procps" where/what is name now for local manpages now?
[09:29] <pi0> is it possible to install ubuntu desktop without gui?
[09:29] <pi0> or at least cwm
[10:23] <scanno> Pfff seems like with every fix, Ubuntu 22.04 is getting worse and worse. I had my nvidia working well with my laptop screen and external HDMI monitor. And now my  HDMI does not work anymore..
[10:27] <scanno> Does not matter if I use X11 or Wayland. HDMI monitor is not detected anymore
[10:34] <irl25519> damn. guess i won't upgrade then
[10:53] <scanno> Hmmm the whole nvidia card is not detected anymore
[10:53] <scanno> It's just detecting the amd card of my ryzen 7 5800
[10:55] <oxfuxxx> try a live USB
[10:55] <oxfuxxx> hm maybe not in fact since installing the nvidia drivers on live usb would ask reboot possibly,,,
[10:55] <oxfuxxx> no idea then.
[10:58] <scanno> Neg it was working before I did an apt upgrade
[10:58] <scanno> Now it's f*
[11:01] <scanno> Ah update had unmet dependencies regarding nvidia drivers
[11:01] <scanno> Damm
[12:28] <imi> hi for development purposes I want a proxy server that I can use to "override" certain files on the Internet. e.g. I want the file https://mydomain.com/index.html to be served from a local file on my hdd. Is that possible?
[13:13] <tomreyn> imi: for http, yes, for https only if the proxy server is configured on the client and the proxies' X.509 certificate is installed on the client's CA bundle.
[13:13] <imi> great
[13:13] <imi> how do I do that? using which proxy server?
[13:14] <imi> it's for internal use so installing my own CA certificate is not a problem
[13:14] <tomreyn> squid proxy probably
[13:16] <tomreyn> though any webserver which can work as a reverse proxy should also work, so apache httpd or nginx should be ok.
[13:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:46] <luna> hi
[13:48] <wez> hihi
[14:05] <sem> an application keeps asking to unlock the default keyring. What is happening?
[14:07] <Jeremy31> sem: because you likely use auto login at boot
[14:08] <sem> this is true. But what application wants to be authenticated and why?
[14:08] <Jeremy31> probably contains saved passwords
[14:15] <sem> it doesn't seem that secure to have anything be able to ask for your sudo password without telling you what it is
[14:15] <sem> tbh it'
[14:15] <sem> tbh it's probably the automatic updates app, but I don't know for sure
[14:15] <ravage> it does not ask for sudo at all
[14:15] <ravage> it asks for user authentication
[14:16] <ravage> (if it is the keyring like you said)
[14:18] <sem> my user is an admin user
[14:18] <sem> so the password is a sudo password
[14:19] <sem> i don't expect any application to need to authenticate, which is why it is surprising that it keeps trying
[14:19] <ravage> sudo accepts your user authentication becuase it has sudo rights yes
[14:19] <sem> exactly
[14:19] <ravage> there is still a difference between sudo and user authentication
[14:20] <sem> but the password is identical
[14:20] <sem> I suspect that the app that needs authentication is the automatic updater, which would imply that it needs sudo rights
[14:20] <ravage> the keyring is encrypted with your user password or a hash based on it
[14:20] <ravage> so it needs that authentication to decrypt it
[14:20] <ravage> has nothing to do with sudo
[14:21] <sem> how would I know which application is trying to unlock
[14:21] <ravage> paste a screenshot of that window. i login with password. so i never get any keyring requests
[14:23] <sem> i will do when it comes up again.
[14:23] <sem> i am in lubuntu 20.04
[14:24] <yeirr> anyone have experience in transfering files between ipod nano and ubuntu 20.04?
[14:27] <sem> ravage, it wouldn't let me take a screenshot; I had to input a password or press cancel before the system let me click on the system menu, interact with programs on the screen, etc
[14:27] <sem> the print screen button did nothing
[14:27] <ravage> use your phone :)
[14:27] <sem> next time...
[14:27] <sem> and people say that ubuntu isn't frustrating lol
[14:28] <ravage> well. i think blocking the system on that dialog is a perfectly sane security choice
[14:33] <sem> the frustrating thing is it doesn't tell you what application is asking, which seems insecure
[14:34] <oerheks> now you know ..
[14:34] <oerheks> i am sure this keyring issue is described somewere, with autologin
[14:35] <sem> probably in some ubuntu documentation from 2008 which isn't relevant anymore
[14:35] <ravage> if its not relevant why are you talking about it here? :)
[14:36] <sem> the issue is relevant, but the documentation is from an unsupported version of ubuntu
[14:36] <sem> in general
[14:36] <leftyfb> !bug | sem, please file a bug
[14:36] <sem> so "default keyring doesn't tell you what application is asking for unlocks"
[14:36] <ravage> https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-keyring/
[14:37] <oerheks> ravage, +1
[14:37] <oerheks> keyring SHOULD not tell you what applicatioon...
[14:37] <oerheks> have fun, sem
[14:38] <sem> oerheks, ok now you are saying something interesting
[14:38] <sem> why would it be good to be such a cryptic message
[14:38] <leftyfb> sem: file a bug
[14:40] <leftyfb> sem: though the bug is probably with the application which should tell you it needs you to unlock the keyring. In this case, I'm going to assume it's google chrome, at which point, you need to file a bug with google and not ubuntu
[14:40] <sem> i am not seeing a reason for it to NOT tell you the name of the application. But if I'm missing something, please tell me before I file this bug
[14:41] <sem> leftyfb, i don't have google chrome installed. It might be firefox
[14:41] <oerheks> any hook to an application, makes keyring vulnerable,
[14:41] <sem> i suppose there is no way to be sure
[14:41] <leftyfb> sem: ok, feel free to file a bug with mozilla
[14:41] <ioria> sem, if you use wifi, might be the 'Make available for other users' not checked in NM
[14:42] <sem> oerheks, that is interesting but I don't understand.
[14:42] <sem> ioria, i am using ethernet
[14:42] <ioria> ah, ok so something else
[14:43] <ravage> you can also just login with your password once and get rid of the whole message
[14:44] <sem> i will definitely file a bug before doing that
[14:44] <sem> why have an option to login without a password if you tell users not to use it
[14:44] <ravage> without full disk encryption you should not worry about security of your system anyway
[14:44] <ravage> its open to everyone then with auto login :)
[14:45] <sem> yeah exactly. This is not a high security system
[14:45] <leftyfb> right, it's zero security
[14:45] <ravage> the the password to "a" and place a post it on the monitor
[14:46] <ravage> *set the
[14:48] <ravage> (you can also remove the default password from the keyring)
[14:48] <sem> i can't find any way to configure the default keyring on lubuntu
[14:48] <ravage> in ubuntu it is handled by seahorse
[14:48] <ravage> no idea about lubuntu
[14:49] <ravage> https://askubuntu.com/questions/867/how-can-i-stop-being-prompted-to-unlock-the-default-keyring-on-boot has some discussion about it
[14:49] <sem> seahorse isn't installed
[14:49] <ravage> im sure you can find information with your favorite search engine too
[14:50] <sem> ravage, all the articles i've found including this one have a gnome application "passwords and encryption keys" which lubuntu doesn't have
[14:50] <sem> if you'd care to help, here is where I've had no luck https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lubuntu+default+keyring&t=ffab&ia=web
[14:50] <leftyfb> sem: try asking in #lubuntu
[14:51] <sem> I can crosspost, sure, but I'll keep trying to work on it here as well
[14:51] <ioria> sem, don't you he 'Passwords and Keys' via Accessories  ?
[14:51] <ioria> *have
[14:52] <sem> no, I have QTpass, but it didn't seem to have any option for default keyring, just a lot of stuff i don't use or need
[14:52] <oerheks> i bet lubuntu uses seahorse as keyring too
[14:52] <sem> oerheks, which seahorse has no results
[15:01] <sem> https://ibb.co/Pj031Xg here is a picture of the unlock message
[15:02] <ioria> sem, do you have an external browser installed ? vivaldi, opera chrome
[15:02] <sem> i have normal firefox
[15:03] <sem> $ which firefox      /usr/bin/firefox
[15:10] <ioria> sem, if you really don't want to see that popup, install seahorse and check  'Default Keyring'
[15:11] <sem> if I install seahorse, then wouldn't I have *two* competing keyring softwares? Seahorse plus whatever lubuntu comes with
[15:13] <sem> I do have a directory "~/.local/share/keyrings" which I might rename and restart, as per https://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?t=37705
[15:13] <sem> They still don't know what is causing the issue or what the software is called, but that user found out that renaming the folder fixed their issue...
[15:22] <ravage> installed lubuntu 22.04 in a VM. wanted to test it anyway. there is no keyring on a fresh installation
[15:23] <ravage> i can install seahorse, create a keyring, set it as default. i can also set blank password with it
[15:23] <sem> It's definitely Firefox. I got this after renaming the .local/share/keyrings folder
[15:23] <sem> https://ibb.co/Pj031Xg
[15:24] <sem> This is 20.04, so probably no point reporting a bug since 22.04 LTS probably already fixed it
[15:28] <sem> Here is the new message https://ibb.co/pvPkqCK
[15:30] <sem> does ubuntu still use apport to report bugs or is it a newer way
[15:31] <sem> got it - 'ubuntu-bug firefox'
[15:32] <sem> lol ubuntu-bug gets a 501 HTTP error
[15:32] <sem> 503 error: Service Unavailable
[15:33] <leftyfb> sem: Ubuntu doesn't maintain firefox. You'll need to report this to mozilla and their bug tracking
[15:33] <sem> i'll submit it to launchpad and they can forward it to upstream; that way it will have the best context
[15:34] <sem> unless you know better how to submit bugs to mozilla
[15:36] <ogra> leftyfb, ubuntu still maintains the deb in 20.04 (IIRC sem runs 20.04)
[15:36] <leftyfb> oh right :)
[15:36] <ogra> so just "ubuntu-bug firefox" should be fine
[15:37] <oerheks> I don' t see it as an issue, autologin and the Q to unlock keyring.
[15:37] <oerheks> get used to it?
[15:41] <ioria> sem, fot the record, you're not using lxde but lxqt
[15:41] <ravage> the seahorse package is about 500km without any dependencies not already present on the 22.04 version
[15:41] <ravage> install it. set the password of your keyring to blank. be happy
[15:41] <ravage> *kb
[15:41] <sem> i don't mind entering a password
[15:42] <sem> i just didn't like being prompted to enter a password with no context as to why.
[15:42] <oerheks> oh, not even using lubuntu.. lxqt?
[15:42] <sem> lubuntu uses lxqt as of 16.04 iirc
[15:42] <sem> prior to that it used lxde
[15:42] <ioria> lubuntu (after 18.04) uses lxqt
[15:43] <sem> thanks ioria
[15:43] <oerheks> oh oke
[15:43] <ioria> just not clear, why the culprit would be FF
[15:45] <sem> probably because it has saved passwords
[15:50] <Jeremy31> Chrome is the same way if auto login at boot is used, asks for keyring password on program start
[15:55] <ioria> i'd try to use a Primary Password in FF
[15:57] <sem> Does it also say "an application wants to access the keyring 'Default keyring', but it is locked" ? Or does it tell you that Chrome wants to unlock it?
[15:59] <Jeremy31> sem: I haven't used auto login for quite a while.  I just noticed it happened after booting and clicking the chrome icon
[16:00] <sem> There was a delay on my system so it prompted me randomly
[16:40] <nectio> is there any way to remove the default desktop environment in ubuntu 22.04?
[16:40] <ravage> install ubuntu server
[16:40] <Crucifyy> can just install whatever other one you want to use and select that at the login screen
[16:41] <oerheks> adding a desktop is fun; removing one can be interesting
[16:41] <oerheks> !flavors
[16:41] <nectio> thank you
[17:08] <cbreak> I found removing the default ubuntu desktop to not be too hard, after installing the kubuntu desktop
[17:08] <cbreak> not sure how easy it'd be without having had installed an alternative
[18:05] <vebdev> Hi everyone! I tried researching this quite a lot but couldn't find a solution. Could you please help?
[18:05] <vebdev> I would like to color the output of my node.js server log such that it readily displays a particular filename to me.
[18:05] <vebdev> I tried using grep like this: `npm run dev | grep -E --color 'app.js'` but it stops coloring after the first few lines.
[18:05] <vebdev> Any idea what I can use to quickly identify specific file names or keywords in the server log?
[18:12] <alkisg> vebdev: try redirecting stderr as well, npm run dev 2>&1 | grep app.js
[18:12] <alkisg> Otherwise stderr will go to the screen without going through grep
[18:27] <vebdev> :alkisg thanks! :) That does it. Though I just noticed it's hiding everything that's not matching. npm run dev 2>&1 | grep -E --color 'app.js'. I am trying to search this. Any chance you know this too?
[18:28] <alkisg> vebdev: if you want to color the output AND keep all the lines even the non-matching ones, you don't want grep, but either sed or some coloring tool
[18:33] <vebdev> :alkisg I just found the solution. I just needed to replace 'app.js' with 'app.js|' https://stackoverflow.com/a/7398092 Really appreciate your help, It would have taken lot longer I didn't know much about stderr. Thanks again! :)
[18:35] <alkisg> vebdev: heh, fun, I didn't imagine it would match everything AND not color it, nice
[18:35] <vebdev> :)
[21:16] <regedit> hello
[21:16] <regedit> i want to plug in some external USB HDD into ubuntu, but i want it to be read only. how do i achieve that?
[21:18] <regedit> it's infuriating that any google search i try comes up with exactly reverse results... "how do i fix USB drive read only?" "How do I change my USB from read only Ubuntu?" etc.
[21:21] <ravage> ubuntu should auto mount it read-write on a desktop system. so you can find the mount with "mount" in a terminal and do "sudo mount -o remount,ro /media/username/mountpoint"
[21:22] <pi0> question i am going to try to share my internet access with another laptop. my main laptop is connected to the internet via wifi, it has an ethernet port, my other laptop has a usb to eth
[21:23] <pi0> would it be possible to share the internet access and how would i go about doing it
[21:27] <ravage> pi0, totally possible. but maybe not with 2 clicks. maybe there is an easier solution but i would do NAT. assign a private network to your ethernet devices and enable masquerading via iptables
[21:27] <Jeremy31> pi0: Why not buy a USB wifi device?
[21:28] <ravage> yes that is possibly the smarter solution
[21:29] <toddc> pi0: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[21:30] <pi0> well i will be install ubuntu mini iso
[21:30] <pi0> it does not come with my wifi drivers
[21:30] <pi0> next best option is to share the internet connect via eth
[21:30] <ravage> if you only want to install the drivers connect your phone with tethering via USB
[21:31] <ravage> that does not require any drivers
[21:32] <ravage> also keep in mind that newer versions of Ubuntu dont have a mini iso
[21:39] <Bashing-om> Thunder storms here presently -- I may cut and run at any time.
[21:41] <pi0> Bashing-om: nice which part of us
[21:44] <Bashing-om> pi0: Highlands of Arkansas :D
[21:50] <olle> Any general tips to get bumblebeed to run properly on a laptop with both intel and nvidia card?
[21:50] <olle> It's like... total hell :|
[21:51] <olle> Manjaro works randomly, but update can break it at any point
[21:51] <olle> And there are endless, never ending stackexchange topic and threads, ten years old
[21:52] <ravage> never met anyone that got it running really.
[21:53] <Bashing-om> olle: Is not nvidia-prime a better option than BumbleBee ?
[21:56] <olle> Bashing-om: primusrun depends on bumblebeed...?
[21:56] <olle> ravage: Yeah, I get that.  Maybe it'll get better now when nvidia open-sourced their sh*t
[21:57] <olle> So annoying, had it running on Manjaro yesterday, run an update today, now it's broken, lol. Might as well try on my main system, I thought (Ubuntu).
[21:58] <pi0> nice, i actually like stroms
[21:59] <pi0> storms*
[22:12] <ht85> hey, upgraded to kernel 4.15.0-177 today and it breaks pretty much everything (boots but no wireless, sound etc, weird electrical noises from speakers, many services not starting, 1m30 to mount /boot/efi). I'm not sure where I should report this and what I should include, anyone can help?
[22:14] <tomreyn> ht85: which ubuntu release is this?
[22:14] <tomreyn> and which hardware
[22:15] <ht85> 18.04, dell xps 15 9570
[22:16] <tomreyn> ubuntu-bug linux     i think
[22:16] <tomreyn> !bug | ht85
[22:17] <tomreyn> is your primary goal to report the bug and have it fixed, and you're willing to spend time on this? or is the primary goal to make the system work better again?
[22:18] <ht85> I'm booting on 4.15.0-176 and everything works fine, but I'm willing to take the time to report it tomreyn
[22:18] <tomreyn> if it's the latter, than consider using a HWE kernel, as well as to upgrade to a newer release.
[22:18] <ht85> I'll upgrade to 22 in a few months
[22:19] <tomreyn> bionic-proposed has 4.15.0-179, maybe have a look at its changelog, too
[22:25] <ht85> tomreyn will try 179 now and report back, thank you
[22:30] <ht85> 179 does the same... should I report it on launchpad? or here with the command?
[23:15] <TempTrev> hey folks, I have errors on PopOS with apt - I am told "unable to fetch some archives". When I try to install libc6-dbg, I am told "internal error, ordering was unable to handle the media swap". This is PopOS 20.20, and the errors are with .. groovy-updates not being found, it seems.
[23:16] <leftyfb> !popOS TempTrev
[23:16] <oerheks> sorry, we don' t support pop os, they have a channel system76?
[23:16] <leftyfb> !popos | TempTrev
[23:18] <TempTrev> leftyfb oerheks I don't suppose you have a helpful guide somewhere to transition popos into Ubuntu? I've been seriously disappointed with their distribution...
[23:19] <oerheks> best way is a clean install.
[23:19] <TempTrev> I've also been very disappointed with their support :(
[23:19] <leftyfb> TempTrev: there is no transition, only a full install of ubuntu
[23:19] <TempTrev> *sigh*
[23:20] <TempTrev> Would you happen to know if a full install of Ubuntu can preserve an existing home directory and blow away everything else on the disk?
[23:20] <leftyfb> TempTrev: It would be much safer to just restore your home from backup
[23:21] <oerheks> maybe, if that home folder has its own partition.
[23:21] <Bashing-om> TempTrev: Backup your data - which one does anyway - and in about 20 minutes you can enjoy ubuntu support :P
[23:23] <TempTrev> Yeah but in 20 minutes I'll need to spend another long while reinstalling and recompiling a number of things, never mind dealing with who knows how many hours of frustration managing OBS and its approach to my devices
[23:24] <leftyfb> TempTrev: ansible
[23:24] <leftyfb> also, try your damnedest not to compile stuff
[23:25] <TempTrev> @left
[23:25] <TempTrev> leftyfb for at least one piece of software.. It's not an option. But otherwise, yes, I understand the game I walk into when I do that.
[23:26] <TempTrev> Would Ubuntu support happen to know what the highest supported kernel release is that allows me to install the AMD drivers so I can enjoy OpenCL from my GPU?
[23:26] <TempTrev> I found this information exactly once somewhere but now I cannot find it anymore
[23:27] <leftyfb> TempTrev: as we've been talking, I just kicked off my ansible playbook which builds my freshly installed ubuntu desktop 97% the way I like it including restoring from backup (which is what it's doing now)
[23:29] <TempTrev> Oh, do you want to share? I stopped doing IT support / sysadmin / software work a few years ago and while most of my valuable data is backed to the cloud, I have seriously stopped considering local box setup a thing I needed to make reproducible
[23:29] <TempTrev> I do realize the irony but I'm really not in a good emotional state to entertain that conversation branch
[23:31] <leftyfb> TempTrev: I can only point you to the ansible documentation and the countless tutorials online. It's best to start simple with making a list of applications you want to install and write a playbook/role to install those. Them configure them or restore configs from backup
[23:33] <TempTrev> I am not sure why I expected an answer different from "install Windows" in this channel, but I guess that's how far 25 years of evolution have gotten us
[23:33] <TempTrev> I of course understand all the constraints you are operating under
[23:33] <TempTrev> But I am staring at a frustrating number of hours regardless of what path I choose and I don't like it. Thanks for the help, and have a good evening.
[23:34] <leftyfb> Nobody told you to install windows
[23:35] <garlok> hi
[23:35] <TempTrev> leftyfb You did. You said "we're sorry we can only help you with Ubuntu, install Ubuntu and we can help you." It's ... It's an old thing. Ignore the comment.
[23:36] <leftyfb> TempTrev: right, you don’t go into #debian asking for help with Ubuntu and don’t go into #centos asking for help with Fedora
[23:37] <TempTrev> Yes, I clearly walked into the wrong house. I'm sorry, I'll leave now.
[23:38] <Sqaure> I find it extremely hard to get an overview of what is eating physical memory. I have 32gb but i easily use up 24 of those.
[23:38] <Sqaure> top/htop/gnome-system-monitor just lists too many things
[23:41] <ravage> Sqaure, first read here is https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[23:44] <Sqaure> ravage, thanks. Wow.. thats very different from "free" shown in top. In top free = 5gb, "free -m"'s available = 22gb
[23:46] <ravage> :)
[23:51] <oerheks> some apps take more mem when available, conveniant.
[23:51] <oerheks> an can trottle back ..
[23:54] <ravage> Sqaure, if you have a GUI then the system monitor show that is a much simpler way too
[23:55] <ravage> https://i.imgur.com/PH1tSGq.png
[23:55] <AdmiralNines> Hey gang. I made reset the password on my linux server and now none of the files are showing up. Any clues as to where to start to find them again?
[23:56] <AdmiralNines> I went into recovery mode and used passwd root to reset the password. But now when I login i go into my user folder and the "storage" folder I had made is still there, but none of the files inside it are there.
[23:56] <AdmiralNines> There should be several terabytes of stuff in there!
[23:56] <ravage> those 2 things do not seem to be related
[23:57] <ravage> are you sure that folder is mounted?
[23:57] <leftyfb> AdmiralNines: did you reset the password for root or a user?
[23:57] <AdmiralNines> @leftyfb both
[23:57] <leftyfb> AdmiralNines: ok, then I'm assuming you are missing files as the user, not root
[23:57] <AdmiralNines> ravage that's what I thought, yet here I am. I'm not sure about the mounting. how do I check that? I didn' tthink a basic folder would need to be mounted
[23:58] <leftyfb> AdmiralNines: ecryptfs-recover-private /home/.ecryptfs/<USERNAME>/.Private
[23:58] <ravage> uh. encrypted home?
[23:58] <leftyfb> ravage: that's my guess
[23:59] <ravage> i always forget that exist(s|ed)
[23:59] <AdmiralNines> k, i'm trying that now. had to install it first
[23:59] <AdmiralNines> I really appreciate your help!


[10:59] <asac> bluekuja: have you looked into debian bug 424091
[10:59] <ubotu> Debian bug 424091 in agg "agg: FTBFS if built twice in a row" [Important,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/424091
[05:48] <bluekuja> heya asac
[05:48] <bluekuja> are you free or busy?
[05:48] <asac> i am always busy ;)
[05:49] <bluekuja> lol
[05:49] <bluekuja> I know
[05:49] <bluekuja> I mean less busy
[05:49] <bluekuja> e.g with a free minute
[05:49] <bluekuja> ^^
[05:50] <bluekuja> asac: gmsh debdiff is ready, I gonna push it into a pastebin for you
[05:50] <bluekuja> so you can give it a check
[05:53] <bluekuja> asac: if not available, gonna ping you tomorrow ;)
[05:58] <asac> hey ... give me facts instead of waiting for reply
[05:58] <asac> :)
[05:59] <bluekuja> :D
[05:59] <asac> but really ... don't ask to ask ... just ask
[09:46] <asac> bluekuja: did your search succeed?
[10:43] <bluekuja> asac: back
[10:43] <bluekuja> asac: was away
[10:43] <bluekuja> ^^
[10:44] <bluekuja> asac: I'm going to sleep
[10:45] <bluekuja> friends offered me too many drinks
[10:45] <bluekuja> :P
[10:45] <asac> yeah
[10:45] <asac> sleep well
[10:45] <bluekuja> asac: gonna push the debdiff tomorrow on a pastebin
[10:45] <bluekuja> for you
[10:45] <bluekuja> so we can get it finally fixed
[10:46] <bluekuja> asac: take care in the meantime
[10:46] <bluekuja> :)
[10:46] <bluekuja> sleep well and cu tomorrow
[10:46] <bluekuja> ;)
[12:02] <Elpram> hello
[12:21] <asac> hi
[12:24] <Elpram> i was interested in helping out with some aspect of development
[12:28] <asac> Elpram: what kind of development are you familiar with?


[01:33] <Omega`> Muscovy: :D
[01:37] <Muscovy> Hi Omega. :D
[01:39] <Omega`> Muscovy: Graduating? :)
[01:40] <Muscovy> Yep.
[01:40] <Muscovy> Actually, already have.
[01:40] <Omega`> Nice! Me too! Valedictorian even :)
[01:42] <Muscovy> Oh cool. :D


[00:02] <jdstrand> slangasek: actually, I see that the standard seed is not enough. for example the kernel isn't in there
[06:34] <slangasek> jdstrand: seeds for http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/trusty/daily/current/ are the old-style Ubuntu Core.  I'm not sure there's a separate seed at all, I think it's defined as 'ubuntu-minimal'.
[07:58] <slangasek> jdstrand: seeds for snappy> lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-core.vivid
[07:59] <slangasek> jdstrand: "kernel isn't in there" - that's correct, the old ubuntu-core tarballs don't have a kernel
[08:02] <slangasek> jdstrand: and thanks for the heads-up re: the outdated include in ubuntu-core.vivid, fixed now... and oh, it seems that the snappy stuff isn't actually in this branch, so checking
[08:20] <slangasek> jdstrand: right, so it's the system-image seed in ubuntu.vivid
[09:46] <darkxst> seems Ubuntu GNOME images also inherited the unity-control-center stack ;(
[09:46] <darkxst> (for 14.04.2
[09:50] <elfy> I'm guessing that lot's did darkxst :)
[09:52] <darkxst> elfy, if you mean I couldnt work out why its getting pulled in then yes
[09:52] <elfy> I mean that I am guessing lot's of flavours ended up with that
[09:53] <darkxst> elfy, sounds like all flovours iso's are messed up
[09:53] <elfy> those I have looked at seem to be - I've not looked at kubuntu, I guess that's ok
[09:57] <darkxst> elfy, I haven't checked, just heard whispers from most flavours (excluding the ones that probably ship u-c-c anyway
[09:57] <darkxst> )
[11:16] <ypwong> wxl, do you know if the extra package issue of 12.04.2 is being worked on?
[11:17] <ypwong> what's affecting ubuntu kylin the most is light-themes being removed
[11:18] <ypwong> s/12.04.2/14.04.2
[11:18] <elfy> ypwong: I'd have to assume so - xubuntu is affected too
[11:19] <darkxst> ypwong, ubuntu GNOME also in different ways
[11:21] <ypwong> this bug is quite strange, as we have done nothing about package selection
[11:24] <darkxst> ypwong, these bugs never come from your package selection
[11:24] <ypwong> yeah what's causing it?
[11:25] <ypwong> curious to know
[11:25] <darkxst> ypwong, I don't know, couldn't work it out yet (and apparently our issue is different, since I assume you do ship unity-control-center and friends)
[11:25] <ypwong> yes
[11:27] <infinity> ypwong: We're looking at it.
[11:27] <infinity> darkxst: In their case, the bug does come from their packages, as they have an evil package that purges things post-install.
[11:28] <darkxst> infinity, ouch
[11:29] <darkxst> that seems incredibly wrong
[11:29] <ypwong> so we changed to using seed in 14.10 ...
[11:30] <ypwong> infinity, sorry for that
[11:31] <darkxst> ypwong, how did you even get official images at all doing that?
[11:32] <ypwong> darkxst, we used ubuntukylin-default-settings at first
[11:32] <ypwong> and it worked fine until we found its limitation
[11:34] <darkxst> what on earth were you putting in it  ubuntukylin-default-settings to hit limitations?
[11:36] <ypwong> darkxst, it is not about what we put there, it's about users can't remove packages that the default-settings packages depend on without also removing default-settings
[11:38] <ypwong> tbh I don't like crufts in post-install that had been accumulated there after 2-3 releases
[11:38] <darkxst> ypwong, I'm confused you were using default-settings to depend on desktop packages? why?
[11:39] <Laney> They had ubuntu-desktop - some packages + some others
[11:40] <ypwong> darkxst, to pull in packages needed by ubuntu kylin
[11:46] <darkxst> Laney, ypwong sure, I see a fair of that sort of cruft when helping people with their no official spins, just never though that could slip into an official LTS
[11:48] <darkxst> though it can get far worse in that world
[14:16] <jdstrand> slangasek: thanks! that will be quite helpful. I may have some more questions, but think I'm good for now
[14:40] <slangasek> jdstrand: ok.  fwiw, mvo also reminded me that there are some bits that are snuck in via very special tasks in the ppa and not contained in the seed because the seed can't do what we need until everything is in the main archive
[14:40] <jdstrand> slangasek: ack, good to know. the snappy one is less important atm-- ballpark is more than fine
[17:32] <wxl> ypwong: that actually is my biggest concern. i'm glad that we're delaying release, but i still see no plan to resolve this issue affecting many of the flavors.
[17:37] <mdeslaur> hey SRU team, could you please migrate krb5 in trusty-proposed to release? the two bugs have verification-done, the upgrade bug doesn't, but the change is trivial
[17:57] <wxl> infinity: do i read your email correctly that you know what's going on with missing/additional packages in xubuntu, lubuntu, and kylin? is this all related to having proposed on???
[19:22] <ScottK> mdeslaur: I'm waiting for Monday and if infinity doesn't object I'll release the pending Trusty SRUs.
[19:23] <mdeslaur> ScottK: thanks!
[19:24] <w-flo> yeah thanks :)