[00:14] <tanath> whenever i mount something over USB, it appears twice
[00:15] <tanath> and this camera i'm trying to use isn't working. shows up twice, but says it can't mount it
[00:17] <tanath> and it's not going away when i unplug it now
[00:17] <tanath> >.<
[00:17] <tanath> so now there's 4 media devices in the list, none of which exist
[00:59] <tanath> hrm, just a nautilus bug. works with dolphin
[04:00] <virtualroadside> OMG! THINGS BROKED!
[04:00] <virtualroadside> :p
[04:01] <virtualroadside> actually, is there a way to download the source package, compile it, and tell it to replace the 'official one' until someone fixes the problem?
[04:01] <crimsun> apt-get source foo
[04:01] <virtualroadside> yes
[04:02] <virtualroadside> i meant actually replace the package though, not just running make install etc, since sometimes it doesn't use the same settings
[04:02] <crimsun> you can then debuild/pbuilder/sbuild
[04:02] <virtualroadside> mm
[04:02] <crimsun> of course you'll need to install devscripts and build-dependencies if you use debuild
[04:02]  * crdlb wonders which package this is
[04:02] <virtualroadside> evtouch
[04:03] <virtualroadside> xorg touchscreen driver
[04:03] <virtualroadside> i just upgraded to intrepid since you have the new xorg there finally, so i dont have to maintain my own copy :)
[04:03] <virtualroadside> (input hotplug stuff)
[04:05] <virtualroadside> i just find it annoying when i install X, and then someone updates the distro's package (not fixing my problem of course), and overwriting the old one -- which doesn't strictly apply in this case, but in cases where its a dependency or something..
[04:05] <virtualroadside> and by X, i dont mean xorg :p
[04:05] <crimsun> did you file a bug?
[04:05] <virtualroadside> i was going to patch it first
[04:05] <crimsun> or update comments on a bug?
[04:05] <virtualroadside> then file said bug
[04:10] <virtualroadside> heh.. wonder why sbuild installed an mta
[04:24] <crimsun> virtualroadside: because it mails build notifications.
[04:26] <virtualroadside> ah, makes sense
[04:28] <skreechmiester> Question from the Penny arcade
[04:29] <skreechmiester> Is  the issue with Alpha 3 and virtualbox only on the Cd or if I dist-upgrade to intrepid within a virtual box it won't boot any more?
[04:50] <omghi2u> Hey guise, I have 1 of 2 things. either a stumper you haven't heard before, or something you've heard a million times you're tired of
[04:51] <gnomefreak> omghi2u: i suggest filing bugs on them
[04:52] <omghi2u> IBEXa3 seems to work fine in every way possible... except MY LAPTOP KEYBOARD DOESN"T WORK. Works in other ttys, works enough that i can use ctrl+alt+#.. but gdm/gnome doesn't response at all to any way to any buttons. tried changing my keyboard layout etc, im' on a toshiba laptop
[04:52] <omghi2u> gnomefreak: would be more than happy to, but I always ask first in case I'm just missing something stupid. Nothing I hate more then idiots who file bug reports for simple things they should know beter / figure out
[04:52] <gnomefreak> omghi2u: file a bug its a gnome issue and you most likely wont find a workaround
[04:53] <omghi2u> gnomefreak: Will do then :) sorrry, either you've heard that a lot or you're getting tired of the questions :-/
[04:53] <gnomefreak> there are a bunch of keyboard issues
[04:54] <omghi2u> I see. new xorg thing or new gnome thing?
[04:54] <omghi2u> are the new versions of gnome/xorg both in the alpha3?
[04:54] <gnomefreak> omghi2u: yes
[04:54] <gnomefreak> they are both beta IIRC
[04:55] <gnomefreak> yep niether are final releases at this time
[04:55] <omghi2u> thank you for the information :) i'll pass it on :D
[04:57] <gnomefreak> np
[05:04] <skreechmiester> gnomefreak: Sure?
[05:05] <gnomefreak> skreechmiester: huh?
[05:11] <skreechmiester> gnomefreak: That happens to me short term in KDE as well
[05:11] <teethdood> how come firefox greys out whenever I do something disk intensive? (ie extracting some files)
[05:12] <teethdood> whatever happened to multitasking
[05:12] <skreechmiester> firefox is now a teenager and hatees to be ignored :)
[05:13] <teethdood> firefox must be a dog then, cuz in human years it's like what, 3-4 years old max?
[05:17] <skreechmiester> WEll the name Firefox maybe the code?
[05:17] <skreechmiester> Quite a bit older
[05:17] <skreechmiester> teethdood: maybe Fox years ^_^
[05:18] <teethdood> heh true
[06:07] <DanaG> Anybody happen to know what would make an e100 ethernet card fail to wake-on-lan?
[06:08] <DanaG> I put the laptop to sleep, and the link LED goes off.
[06:09] <LSD|Ninja> Does the laptop actually support WoL?
[06:10] <DanaG> I'm not entirely sure.
[06:10] <DanaG> It's an old Toshiba laptop; 1415-S105
[06:18] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that laptop also always fails to recover from DPMS Off mode.
[06:18] <DanaG> I actually have to vt-switch away from and back to Xorg to get display again.
[06:47] <DanaG> Aah, t'was disabled in BIOS.
[06:50] <DanaG> Oh, and it even works across VLANs.
[06:50] <DanaG> er, through VLANs.
[07:00] <DanaG> Hmm, is there some better equivalent of Photoshop Elements for Linux?  Gimp is not the same sort of program.
[07:04] <DanaG> By "Better" I mean "not buggy P-O-S"
[07:08] <DanaG> yay for wacom:   * Enable input-hotplug: install 10-wacom.fdi in
[07:08] <DanaG>     /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty.
[07:09] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that reminds me.... synaptics still isn't input-hotpluggable.
[07:09] <DanaG> "  * Enable input-hotplug: install 10-synaptics.fdi in
[07:09] <DanaG>     /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty."
[07:09] <DanaG> Okay.... does that mean we can set options for two-finger tapping, and such?  If not, it's useless to me.
[07:30] <red_> I just upgraded to Intrepid and it killed my X.
[07:32] <skreechmiester> Whoot!
[07:32] <skreechmiester> Upgrade to Y
[07:32] <s0ullight> funny...
[07:33] <skreechmiester> Soon we'll have an AA server :)
[07:33] <red_> I got (EE) Failed to load module "v4l" (module does not exist, 0) and the same error for vesa, then it got a fatal error.  Suggestions?
[07:36] <red_> Did I miss anything?  This laptop has a bad power connector, which for some reason starts and stops anacron when it gets and loses power.
[07:41] <skreechmiester> video for linux?
[07:41] <skreechmiester> bah
[07:45] <RAOF> In case he comes back, make sure that he's got xserver-xorg-video-all installed, or at least xserver-xorg-video-vesa!
[07:54] <dexikiix> hey
[07:56] <skreechmiester> hay
[07:57] <dexikiix> i heard a rumor that broadcom wireless isn't quite as much of a bitch in 8.10
[07:58] <s0ullight> the b43 drivers should be good
[08:04] <DanaG> My experience (not the iwl3945 rant):
[08:04] <DanaG> b43 in Hardy == oops on module unload for any reason -- yank card, go to suspend, or just shut down.
[08:04] <bazhang> not a rant?
[08:04] <DanaG> b43 in Intrepid: works fine.
[08:04] <bazhang> oh, not That rant. :)
[08:05] <s0ullight> what about iwl4965
[08:05] <DanaG> http://klamstwo.org/evad/archives/59
[08:05] <DanaG> I'd probably put it in the same camp.
[08:05] <DanaG> LED thingy doesn't apply to me, since I have no such LED.
[08:06] <BUGabundo_work> good morning
[08:06] <DanaG> Instead, I have a BIOS-controlled "rfkill" LED (off when killed).
[08:06] <BUGabundo_work> how come still noone got to bug #254434 ?
[08:06] <s0ullight> led was working fine for me for my custom 2 6 26
[08:06] <BUGabundo_work> DanaG: does your wifi work?
[08:06] <BUGabundo_work> I can't turn my kill switch off
[08:07] <BUGabundo_work> so no wifi for me
[08:07] <BUGabundo_work> on my intel 4965
[08:07] <BUGabundo_work> DanaG: bug #230844
[08:07] <s0ullight> when will alpha 4 come out
[08:07] <Hobbsee> never.
[08:07] <RAOF> s0ullight: Once it's baked.
[08:08] <BUGabundo_work> s0ullight: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[08:08] <BUGabundo_work>  16     August 14th              Alpha 4
[08:08] <DanaG> bug 230844
[08:08] <DanaG> where's the bot?
[08:08] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[08:08] <BUGabundo_work> the bot doenst like it!
[08:08] <BUGabundo_work> or it's a sleep!
[08:09] <Hobbsee> !help
[08:09] <BUGabundo_work> there he comes
[08:09] <DanaG> Oh yeah, watch out if you use the killswitch on iwl3945.......
[08:09] <Hobbsee> ubottu: ping
[08:09] <DanaG> for me, it actually disables the INTERRUPT of the device!
[08:09] <BUGabundo_work> didn't get that DanaG?!
[08:09] <DanaG> I have to actually unload and reload the driver to get it back.
[08:09] <skreechmiester> Hobbsee: ^_^
[08:09] <Hobbsee> hey skreechmiester1
[08:09] <s0ullight> the cd s in turkey suck
[08:09] <BUGabundo_work> with kernel <IP_ADDRESS> I was able to do an echo to it and turn it off
[08:10] <s0ullight> downloaded alpha 3 and burned it ... the cd is corrupted
[08:10] <BUGabundo_work> DanaG: but on 2.6.26.x that doesn't seem to work
[08:10] <BUGabundo_work> s0ullight: should have checked the md5 prior to burn
[08:11] <skreechmiester> Hobbsee: Takes a bit to take up I find
[08:11] <BUGabundo_work> rofl!! ubottu excess flood!
[08:11] <skreechmiester>  in like 10 minutes it will start shouting in all sorts of lanagues and tongues
[08:11] <skreechmiester> how are you Hobbsee ?
[08:12] <Hobbsee> ok
[08:13] <s0ullight> how do i do that in windows?
[08:18] <DanaG> ugh, Evince is being all CPU-rapeagey.
[08:18] <DanaG> er, was.
[08:18] <DanaG> Here's something interesting:
[08:19] <DanaG> "when you’re on the move with the lid closed on your business notebook, HP 3D DriveGuard shifts into an enhanced state of protection that is sensitive to very small movements. The enhanced state is applied because this is the mostly likely time for the notebook to be bumped, banged or dropped. In this state, HP 3D DriveGuard parks the head indefinitely so you can safely transport the notebook when you are not in standby mode. HP 3D D
[08:19] <dexikiix> can i get an intrepid LiveCD somewhere?
[08:20] <BUGabundo_work> dexikiix: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[08:20] <s0ullight> dexikiix: yes but i dont know the link
[08:20] <BUGabundo_work> s0ullight: any md5 program will do that from windows
[08:21] <BUGabundo_work> even imgburn (a free burner)
[08:21] <satish> is it safe to upgrade to intrepid from hardy on production machine
[08:21] <s0ullight> ok
[08:21] <s0ullight> tnx
[08:22] <LSD|Ninja> s0ullight: most definitely not
[08:22] <LSD|Ninja> oops, satish I meant
[08:24] <RAOF> satish: Only if it's perfectly acceptable for your production machine to, just to pick a current example, have no keyboard or mouse input in X.
[08:24] <BUGabundo_work> satish: no!!!!
[08:24] <BUGabundo_work> see the #topic
[08:25] <s0ullight> why is ubuntu always using the same kind of names?
[08:25] <LSD|Ninja> why not?
[08:25] <RAOF> Because sabdfl like them? :)
[08:26] <s0ullight> it gets kind of boring with time
[08:26] <s0ullight> ok they can use poetry but not always the same kind
[08:27] <LSD|Ninja> consistency is good
[08:27] <s0ullight> :D
[08:28] <s0ullight> the idea of gobuntu is interesting gonna give it a try when i return in belgium
[08:28] <LSD|Ninja> If people find it annoying then there's even less reason to change them since people always rememeber stuff like that
[08:29] <dexikiix> wait, BUGabundo_work, still here?
[08:30] <DanaG> gobuntu?  that's an odd name.
[08:30] <DanaG> What does "go" have to do with "free"?
[08:30] <DanaG> I think "go" has more to do with "mobility" -- i.e.  "on the go".
[08:30] <RAOF> Is that the "I hate my graphics/wireless" version?
[08:31] <s0ullight> probably
[08:31] <s0ullight> using opensource nvidia drivers
[08:36] <RAOF> Well, you don't have to hate opensource nvidia drivers.  Just not need 3d :)
[08:36] <BUGabundo_work> dexikiix: sometimes! working outside of the office! some times I do RDP to my machine!
[08:37] <s0ullight> even nokia will open source symbian os so why doesnt nvidia do so
[08:37] <s0ullight> They claimed that they cannot release open source drivers because "We have lots of IP in our supported closed source Linux driver some of which is licensed and cannot be open sourced.". Well, if Nvidia has copyrighted code in its drivers, then they can surely invest some money in hiring more developers to re-write it. They are a very profitable company, after all.
[08:37] <blizzkid> lo all. I received a lot of updates this morning (113), but since then my keyboard and mouse are not working in X anymore. As you can see, keyboard still works from console. Any ideas how to solve this issue?
[08:38] <BUGabundo_work> DanaG: s0ullight https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[08:38] <BUGabundo_work> there's the list of names! you can enter  the ones you like!
[08:39] <BUGabundo_work> next time the RANDOM ball rolls, maybe you can get your chance and RENAME a ubuntu version
[08:39] <DanaG> GObuntu is not a codename.
[08:40] <Hobbsee> blizzkid: known problem.
[08:40] <BUGabundo_work> ok ok DanaG
[08:40] <BUGabundo_work> will somebody awake ubottu
[08:41] <BUGabundo_work> ubottu: ping
[08:41] <RAOF> s0ullight: Oh, I'm not suggesting that nvidia's driver being closed doesn't suck.  Go code on nouveau's 3d support!
[08:41] <BUGabundo_work> ahhh he is awake now
[08:41] <blizzkid> Hobbsee: and is there a known solution? ;-)
[08:41] <Hobbsee> downgrade xserver-xorg-core, i guess.
[08:42] <blizzkid> Hobbsee: I'll give that a go
[08:44] <Hobbsee> add 'Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" to
[08:44] <Hobbsee>                   ServerFlags section
[08:44] <Hobbsee> blizzkid: ^
[08:51] <blizzkid> Hobbsee: I'll give it a go
[08:53] <blizzkid> mmmz, Hobbsee, I don't even have a ServerFlags section, so I'll have to add it
[08:54] <Hobbsee> probably, yeah
[08:55] <blizzkid> brb
[09:46] <pen> any improvements?
[12:22] <thefish> hello
[12:24] <gunashekar> hi
[12:35] <thefish> my x seems a bit broken after today's latest updates: cannot type into user/pass boxes, or move mouse. CTRL+ALT+F* works
[12:35] <thefish> anyone experience/fix the same?
[12:36] <thefish> also all ttys are unreadable (full of b/w bars)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> yes, it's broken.
[12:36] <Hobbsee> (the first part)
[12:36] <thefish> Hobbsee ok cool, thanks - any user-servicable parts?
[12:37] <Hobbsee> there was a solution eralier about server flags, but i don't remember what it was
[12:37] <thefish> kay, a solution in here? are there logs of this chan?
[12:40] <thefish> does anyone keep logs of this channel that i can see? just want to have a look for the server flags solution for x...
[12:42] <thefish> anyone remember what was said...
[12:43] <thefish> Hobbsee dont spose you could paste the relevant lines?
[12:43] <jbroome_> thefish: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[12:44] <thefish> cool, thanks jbroome_ :)
[12:47] <Hobbsee> i said it, if tha thelps.
[12:52] <thefish> Hobbsee yes thanks i see it
[12:53] <thefish> huzzah! works perfectly - thanks
[12:54] <Hobbsee> \o/
[14:26] <aguitel> with the last update ,the mouse usb is not working
[14:29] <thefish> aguitel, i just had the same
[14:29] <Hobbsee> add 'Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" to ServerFlags section
[14:30] <thefish> faster typist....
[14:30] <thefish> i never got that kind of prefferential treatment!
[14:30]  * Hobbsee c&p'd.
[14:30] <IdleOne> gnomefreak, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/239763
[14:30] <thefish> might be an idea for someone to /topic that..
[14:52] <aguitel> thefish, and how do you fix it
[15:12] <wd4lko> anybody know what froze the keyboard and mouse ?
[15:16] <wd4lko> what froze the keyboard and mouse ?
[15:20] <ssam> wd4lko, add 'Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" to ServerFlags section
[15:20] <ssam> of xorg.conf
[16:05] <cypherdelic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/254387
[16:06] <cypherdelic> Can somebody agree with me that this bug is fixed with xserver-xorg-input-evdev? Does your media keys work????
[16:06] <cypherdelic> need to reconfigure in gnome-kexbinding-properties
[16:07] <cypherdelic> y
[16:07] <cypherdelic> oh yes and you have to installed latest packages and did dist-upgrade
[16:07] <cypherdelic> ;)
[16:07] <cypherdelic> anyone with a media-keyboard?
[16:16] <cypherdelic> Can anyone please check if he could manage firefox to handle a different language for the menu??
[16:18] <TheInfinity> cypherdelic: you mean its always english?
[16:27] <cypherdelic> TheInfinity: exactly
[16:27] <DanaG> Using evdev for keyboard is bad, in my experience -- it breaks vt-switch.
[16:28] <cypherdelic> im back from work now my real work begins, bug-filing for ibex 8-/
[16:28] <cypherdelic> DanaG: isnt it default, for me it is
[16:28] <cypherdelic> DanaG: what is vt-switch
[16:28] <DanaG> ctrl-alt-f#
[16:29] <TheInfinity> cypherdelic: you know that its alpha and lang packages are for lateron? ;)
[16:29] <cypherdelic> DanaG: So you mean the blinking cursor at all and no terminals?
[16:30] <cypherdelic> TheInfinity: I know its alpha, sry i didnt know that procedure
[16:30] <DanaG> That's a different issue.
[16:30] <cypherdelic> just report bugs :D
[16:30] <DanaG> For me, evdev makes me entirely unable to vt-switch.
[16:30] <DanaG> My current issue is instead that the consoles are broken.
[16:30] <cypherdelic> Yes but for what kind of work do you need vt-switch
[16:30] <cypherdelic> why dont you fire up some terminal windows?
[16:30] <DanaG> If Xorg locks up, or such, then it's good to be able to use consoles.
[16:31] <cypherdelic> DanaG:  yes, thats right, OK i missed that myself
[16:32] <cypherdelic> but that dont happens often and ALT STRG BACKSPACE works ;)
[16:33] <cypherdelic> TheInfinity: i firstly ask here when i find a bug
[16:33] <cypherdelic> TheInfinity: so im glad you told me that thiswill be done in a later state, thanks for learning
[16:34] <TheInfinity> cypherdelic: sometimes languages are also added in first alphas, depends on the package. alpha is somehow a playing field ;)
[16:34] <cypherdelic> TheInfinity: Does boot animation will work in a later state too??
[16:34] <cypherdelic> TheInfinity: so why not file a bug relating on firefox languages
[16:35] <TheInfinity> because "bugs" is known
[16:35] <cypherdelic> know of what?
[16:35] <cypherdelic> +n
[16:35] <cypherdelic> i thought these were Commited Bugs
[16:36] <cypherdelic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/255018
[16:36] <cypherdelic> is theís a correct "Bug"?
[17:27] <cypherdelic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/255018
[17:34] <cypherdelic> Latest Updates require me to remove Java!!!???? what to do?
[18:44] <cypherdelic> Latest Updates require me to remove Java!!!???? what to do?
[18:45] <Trewas> don't upgrade now and wait a bit?
[18:45] <cypherdelic> i assume wait :)
[18:45] <cypherdelic> so i figure out which one is causing that problem and update the other until its fixed
[18:46] <cypherdelic> do i guess right that it never updates automatically if siomething needs to be uninstalled?
[18:48] <Trewas> does something actually offer automagic (without confirmation) upgrades apart from security upgrades?
[18:48] <cypherdelic> no idea?
[18:49] <Trewas> I think nothing does, and if someone is using development version of ubuntu they should be able to check what is being upgraded/removed/whatever...
[18:50] <Trewas> compared to say, debian unstable, ubuntu's development versions are _very_ exciting at this stage :)
[18:59] <scizzo-> Trewas: to be honest if someone is using ubuntu development version and asking questions about what packages are going to be upgraded is not really....well is not used to the system itself....
[19:00] <scizzo-> Trewas: using for example: apt-get upgrade would only upgrade the packages that does not require removal......
[19:01] <scizzo-> Trewas: apt-get -u dist-upgrade or apt-get -u upgrade lists all the packages for upgrade and asks for confirmation
[19:05] <cypherdelic> Trewas: cool thanks
[19:05] <cypherdelic> so dependacies would be cool to see
[19:05] <cypherdelic> too
[19:08] <cypherdelic> Oh really, that unfocused windows missing mouse coursor really bugs me, any ideas?
[19:08] <cypherdelic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/255018
[19:08] <cypherdelic> does a setting to manage this exists or a config file?
[21:09] <DigitalNinja> Does anyone know if Alpha 3 will work with VirtualBox? I thought I read somewhere it wouldn't work but I thought I would ask.
[22:59] <emet> !info gnash
[22:59] <emet> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[22:59] <emet> amd64?!
[23:00] <emet> no wai
[23:31] <RAOF> emet: Ya, rly.  nspluginwrapper.
[23:58] <red> When I try to startx, I get the following errors: (EE)Failed to load module "v4l" (module does not exist, 0) the same error for "vesa", and then "Fatal error: no screens found.  Any ideas?