[08:34] <kiranm> ensemble status results in 'connection timeout' or 'broken pipe'. Running in verbose mode shows the the messages - http://paste.ubuntu.com/635647/
[12:52] <_mup_> Bug #803852 was filed: 64-bit instances and large instances <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/803852 >
[12:53] <_mup_> Bug #803855 was filed: peer hooks are not invoked <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/803855 >
[13:23] <hazmat> kiranm, hmm.. if you retry do you get the same error, ie is it a persistent problem, also
[13:26] <kiranm> hazmat, it turned out to be my corporate firewall blocking outbound traffic. when i tried on a different setup it is working fine. bootsrap, deploy mysql wordpress works fine. but add-relation fails with ambigious endpoints.... i'm using formulas from principia-tools and not from the examples directory
[13:35] <kiranm> hazmat, let me try the whole sequence again - deploy mysql, deploy wordpress, check status, add relation
[13:44] <hazmat> kiranm, there might be some new relations types in the mysql formula
[13:44] <hazmat> which would requires specifying the relation names
[13:45] <kiranm> hazmat, alright let me check with the example formulas first
[13:46] <_mup_> Bug #803866 was filed: On ambigious relation endpoint error from add-relation should show the possible relations  <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/803866 >
[13:50] <kiranm> hazmat, the exact error for the ambiguous endpoints....
[13:50] <kiranm> mbiguous endpoints: ([(RelationEndpoint(service_name='wordpress', relation_type=u'mysql', relation_name=u'db', relation_role='client'), RelationEndpoint(service_name='mysql', relation_type=u'mysql', relation_name=u'db', relation_role='server')), (RelationEndpoint(service_name='wordpress', relation_type=u'mysql', relation_name=u'db', relation_role='client'), RelationEndpoint(service_name='mysql', relation_type=u'mysql', relation_name=u'db-admin', r
[13:50] <kiranm> elation_role='server'))],)
[13:50] <kiranm> 2011-06-30 17:39:35,243 ERROR Ambiguous endpoints: ([(RelationEndpoint(service_name='wordpress', relation_type=u'mysql', relation_name=u'db', relation_role='client'), RelationEndpoint(service_name='mysql', relation_type=u'mysql', relation_name=u'db', relation_role='server')), (RelationEndpoint(service_name='wordpress', relation_type=u'mysql', relation_name=u'db', relation_role='client'), RelationEndpoint(service_name='mysql', relation_type=u'mysql
[13:50] <kiranm> ', relation_name=u'db-admin', relation_role='server'))],)
[14:00] <hazmat> kiranm, so you need to add the relation via .. ensemble add-relation wordpress mysql:db
[14:01] <hazmat> kiranm, a second named relation was added to the principia version to support administrative program access to mysql, so now the usage needs to be qualified
[14:03] <kiranm> hazmat, ok understood.
[14:06] <kiranm> hazmat, are these kind of changes documented some where, so that people who test the formulas regularly can be enlightened
[14:06] <kiranm> hazmat, especially the formulas from principia-tools would be the focus of testing IMO
[14:08] <hazmat> kiranm, at the moment principia is pretty early in its development, the only change log is the revision log.. we will eventually get to releases/frozen version sets of principia formulas with change logs between them
[14:09] <kiranm> hazmat, thx again
[14:09] <hazmat> kiranm, np
[15:04] <_mup_> Bug #803892 was filed: Ensemble should have a config templating system <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/803892 >
[15:05] <_mup_> Bug #803895 was filed: Ensemble should have a parallel execution mechanism <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/803895 >
[15:18] <_mup_> Bug #803902 was filed: provide a way to remove relationship entries <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/803902 >
[15:26] <lynxman> hazmat: ping
[15:42] <hazmat> lynxman, pong
[15:42] <lynxman> hazmat: hey just added myself to bug #616900 since I'm trying to do a macports version of the ensemble client
[15:42] <_mup_> Bug #616900: Make a release <txzookeeper:New for hazmat> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/616900 >
[15:43] <lynxman> hazmat: any chance this can be done in the near future?
[15:43] <lynxman> (near future being a couple of weeks or so)
[15:43] <hazmat> lynxman, sure, there's one branch in review thats needed for a new release, it is already available off pypi
[15:43] <lynxman> hazmat: oh cool, do you have the URL for the tarball?
[15:44] <hazmat> lynxman, its basically a pure python package, the nesc compilation bit is getting zookeeper-python bindings installed
[15:44] <hazmat> lynxman, http://pypi.python.org/pypi/txzookeeper
[15:44] <lynxman> hazmat: lovely, thanks
[15:44] <hazmat> lynxman, that version might be a little old for ensemble..
[15:44] <hazmat> trunk that is
[15:44] <lynxman> hazmat: well if you push a new tarball that'll be cool :) meanwhile I'll do my port work based on that one
[15:45] <hazmat> lynxman, we've in the past run the full unit tests on osx with just one or two issues due to different fs handling of tempfiles
[15:45] <hazmat> but for the most part it should just work
[15:45] <lynxman> hazmat: that's good news :)
[15:45] <lynxman> hazmat: just making the portfiles to submit them to macports for now
[15:45] <hazmat> lynxman, you also want to make sure you have the most recent zk release version in macports
[15:45] <lynxman> hazmat: as soon as it's working I'm sure there'll be bugs to fill
[15:45] <hazmat> lynxman, awesome
[15:45] <hazmat> lynxman, sounds good
[15:45] <lynxman> hazmat: yeah slowly going through the dependencies
[15:46]  * hazmat likes macports
[15:46] <hazmat> very easy to contrib to
[15:46] <lynxman> :)
[15:46] <lynxman> hazmat: indeed, I'm also contributing byobu
[15:46] <koolhead11> SpamapS, hello
[15:47] <hazmat> although now a days i here everyone talking about homebrew.. only reason i can think of is the install into /usr/local makes it easy for lookups
[15:47] <koolhead11> hi all
[15:47] <hazmat> when compiling additional extensions at the price of getting a potential mismash of libraries
[15:47] <hazmat> koolhead11, hi
[15:47] <hazmat> or perhaps its just tcl v ruby
[15:48] <koolhead11> hi hazmat
[15:50] <koolhead11> i am working on the phpmyadmin but having some trouble with preseed configuration
[15:50] <koolhead11> i see some bugs regarding the same on debian mailing list
[15:58] <hazmat> koolhead11, i'm a bit out of my element regarding php.. but the deb mailing list or the lp bug tracker for phpadmin is probably the right place to follow up those issues
[15:58] <hazmat> koolhead11, do you have a link?
[15:58] <koolhead11> yes
[15:58] <koolhead11> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=578960
[15:59] <koolhead11> when i am doing dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin i have to enter everything manually and then it writes to the DB :
[16:19] <hazmat> koolhead11, hmm.. are you purging and reinstalling or just preseeding debconf selections
[16:19] <koolhead11> i was doing purge earlier
[16:19] <koolhead11> now i have installed new VM with snapshot
[16:19] <koolhead11> am doing it on LTS
[16:37] <hazmat> nice. http://morepypy.blogspot.com/2011/06/global-interpreter-lock-or-how-to-kill.html
[17:02]  * koolhead11 heads back home
[17:41] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-provision-machines r268 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:41] <_mup_> Fixes to handle topology changes wrt watches
[18:14] <_mup_> txzookeeper/session-event-handling r52 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:14] <_mup_> merge trunk
[19:05] <_mup_> txzookeeper/session-event-handling r53 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:05] <_mup_> add a disconnected client test for failures, dead connections can exhibit either notconnected or connection exceptions adjust tests to reflect.
[21:16] <_mup_> txzookeeper/session-event-handling r54 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:16] <_mup_> address jim's review comments, grammar fixes, additional param valiadation tests
[21:41] <hazmat> bcsaller, do you mind if i post your email to the merge proposal along with my reply?
[21:41] <bcsaller> hazmat: I don't remember specifically what you're talking about but I think its fine
[21:41] <bcsaller> hazmat: the scheduler/workflow stuff?
[21:41] <hazmat> bcsaller, yup
[21:42] <bcsaller> hazmat: thanks for looking into that :)


[18:29] <hatch> marcoceppi thanks for the elaboration on the askubuntu question :)
[18:30] <marcoceppi> hatch: np! it was a good answer, I just wanted to clarify a few things
[18:30] <hatch> his q does bring up a valid issue which others may be wondering
[18:30] <hatch> I wonder how we can make that clearer to others
[18:34] <marcoceppi> hatch: I consider it a good problem to have
[18:35] <marcoceppi> it gives us the opportunity to teach users best practices for "stable" server deployments
[18:35] <marcoceppi> as well as inform people about LTS and why the LTS is a strong story
[18:46] <hatch> marcoceppi yeah good point


[12:22] <ryanakca> pleia2: ping, please check the list
[12:22] <pleia2> ryanakca: for?
[12:24] <pleia2> your latest email?
[22:25] <ryanakca> pleia2: umm... I sent a message to it a week or so ago, no reply yet
[22:26] <pleia2> ryanakca: yeah, sorry, my husband was in the hospital for a week (full hip replacement) and now he's home so I'm working + playing nurse since he still can't walk
[22:26] <pleia2> I've not had much time :(
[22:26] <pleia2> hopefully will have more time over the holiday
[22:57] <ryanakca> pleia2: ah, ouch. Ok, whenever you get a chance :)


[00:13] <IdleOne> \x Please don't idle in this channel
[09:28] <Myrtti> \x: how can we help you?
[09:35] <Myrtti> astraljava1: dude, identify
[09:38] <knome> Myrtti, he's most probably busy :P
[09:39] <Myrtti> I know, but still.
[09:39] <knome> haven't seen him in ages in irc
[11:14] <chu> \x has been hangin around for a while... Any chance they were ban forwarded here and just haven't noticed? (I noted IdleOne asking him to not idle earlier too)
[11:18] <Myrtti> anything is possible
[11:18] <Myrtti> nothing is true
[11:19] <chu> How metaphysical of you Myrtti :p
[11:19] <Myrtti> very Assassin's Creed-ish
[11:20] <Myrtti> I need my head checked again
[11:20] <chu> Haha
 gbili; take the PC apart and reset the BIOS. if that fails, take everything out but bare minimum to boot (leave only 1 RAM module) start putting the PC back together peice by peice till you find the rpoblem.
[12:08] <bazhang> that seems drastic
[12:11] <bazhang> then use ubuntu...not mint if you expect support
 IboS: This is not windows. Most things that happen in windows will do the same in Linux, like resolutions and appearance of webcams.
[14:47] <bazhang> augh
[14:48] <bazhang> also advised that empathy was a mail client
[15:02] <tonyyarusso> For very small values for "mail"!  :P
[15:02] <bazhang> haha
 Mamadex, Perhaps try in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[16:25] <bazhang> incoming to -ot
[16:35] <bazhang> and cyclist just recycles the polling from #x to #u
[16:35] <Pici> I don't know what their question has to do with the software center.
[16:36] <bazhang> it's slow on vbox
[16:36] <Myrtti> it's slow on anything, it doesn't need to be in vbox to do that
[16:36] <Myrtti> invalid argument
[16:36] <bazhang> haha
[16:36] <IdleOne> Libreoffice is slow. How does it use Software center?
[16:37] <bazhang> bug confirmed: wontfix
 enter is not punctuation.
[16:43] <bazhang> he must be new
[16:44] <bazhang> oh lovely
[16:46] <IdleOne> Why don't you answer my unanswerable question!!
[16:46] <bazhang> !!!
[16:47] <Pici> IdleOne: klined
[16:48] <IdleOne> klines don't last forever
[16:48] <IdleOne> but I'll remove the ban if you want :)


[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[15:58] <From-Denmark> hey guys
[15:59] <jose> hello, From-Denmark
[15:59] <jose> let me guess - you're from Denmark?
[16:00] <Na3iL> hey From-Denmark & jose
[16:00] <jose> o/ Na3iL
[17:55] <mrbrooks> hi!
[17:55] <jono> hey mrbrooks
[17:56] <mrbrooks> Looking forward to the final release of 14.04!
[17:56] <jono> indeed! :-)
[17:58] <mrbrooks> yes, I can see and hear ya!
[17:59] <triolenzunge> working!
[18:01] <Holzster> Yea "The Linux Show" is back
[18:01] <lei> Question ; WILL THERE EVER BE A HIGH END VIDEO EDITOR
[18:02] <AndresLopez> Hi Jono
[18:02] <Anirban> Can anyone tell if there would be new icon set for Ubuntu 14.04?
[18:03] <IceTimux> whoohoo
[18:03] <triolenzunge> QUESTION:Hi Jono, what is your personal view on what the heartbleed vulnerability says about the benefits of opensource?
[18:04] <sankaet> What?! AC/DC would stop playing?! :'(
[18:04] <Debaru> QUESTION : Ubuntu one is dead. It's possible to see an antoher cloud service made by Canonical to use with Ubuntu phone ? For sync contact for example.
[18:04] <mrbrooks> QUESTION: Just a curiosity really, how does ubuntu's licensing work? Hypothetically, if I deployed 10 ubuntu machines in my hypothetical company, and my employees used them for their work, would I need to pay canonical for a license? Or would I only need to pay them if I want special/very specific support? Or do I only need to consider licensing if I am actually "selling" preloaded ubuntu machines?
[18:05] <rummo80> cool
[18:05] <sankaet> is ubuntu going to work on wearables?
[18:05] <sankaet> anytime soon that is
[18:05] <justcarakas> QUESTION: how far is the judging of the ubuntu app showdown
[18:05] <IceTimux> mrbrooks Ubuntu is registered under the GPL i think
[18:07] <hey_> Hello
[18:07] <hey_> How are you
[18:07] <hey_> Anyone here?
[18:07] <IceTimux> yes stfu
[18:07] <sankaet> hi
[18:08] <metallica> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[18:08] <hey_> hi
[18:08] <hey_> hey
[18:08] <hey_> how are you
[18:08] <sankaet> I am good how are you :P
[18:09] <hey_> Good
[18:09] <hey_> What os do I use?
[18:09] <hey_> Am I being watched?
[18:09] <Battaglin> hi
[18:09] <hey_> hi battaglin
[18:09] <hey_> how are you
[18:09] <hey_> jono
[18:09] <hey_> +jono
[18:09] <hey_> who is the owner?
[18:10] <jose> hey_: what do you need?
[18:10] <hey_> Hi Jose
[18:10] <lllsondowlll> Hello. What about Ubuntu kernel support for legacy bios supported chromebooks? It is becoming far repetitive to patch the drivers in on our own. Will Ubuntu ever officially support chromebooks such as C720 a seabios enabled device capable of running Ubuntu.
[18:10] <hey_> I've never been on here. Can you explain how all this works?
[18:10] <Guest66852> QUESTION: If five years ago someone had told you this is what Ubuntu would be like today, would you have believed them? Also where would you like to see Ubuntu five years from now?
[18:10] <jose> hey_: you watch the video and if you have any questions you ask here
[18:10] <Battaglin> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS is out in what? 2 days ?
[18:10] <jose> Battaglin: correct
[18:11] <Adict> QUESTION: Probably was allready asked..but any thoughts on Fair phone? Any secret information regarding Ubuntu here :-P ?
[18:11] <Battaglin> cool
[18:11] <Siecje> QUESTION: If I only have one user can Ubuntu start loading applications before I enter my password?
[18:11] <hey_> Can ubuntu interface have more customisation features?
[18:11] <hey_> More XFCE-like
[18:11] <lllsondowlll> QUESTION: Hello. What about Ubuntu kernel support for legacy bios supported chromebooks? It is becoming far repetitive to patch the drivers in on our own. Will Ubuntu ever officially support chromebooks such as C720 a seabios enabled device capable of running Ubuntu?
[18:12] <jdr____> yea dont repeate lllsondowlll
[18:12] <hey_> QUESTION: Can Ubuntu interface have more XFCE interface, like customisability.
[18:12] <lllsondowlll> I didn't put question in caps JDR...
[18:13] <jdr____> MY BAD
[18:13] <lllsondowlll> That is why I repeated...
[18:13] <lllsondowlll> It's all good
[18:13] <iBobX> LOL
[18:14] <hey_> QUESTION: Can Ubuntu interface have more XFCE interface, like customisability.
[18:14] <hey_> QUESTION: Can Ubuntu interface have more XFCE interface, like customisability.
[18:14] <hey_> QUESTION: Can Ubuntu interface have more XFCE interface, like customisability.QUESTION: Can Ubuntu interface have more XFCE interface, like customisability.
[18:14] <hey_> QUESTION: Can Ubuntu interface have more XFCE interface, like customisability.
[18:14] <hey_> QUESTION: Can Ubuntu interface have more XFCE interface, like customisability.
[18:14] <rstreeter> QUESTION: Have you tried Xubuntu? What do you think of it if you have tried it?
[18:14] <jdr____> QUESTION: Not Ubuntu specific, but when do we get to a world where our user interfaces are close to Minority Report?
[18:15] <Siecje> hey_: don't ask the same question more than once
[18:15] <hey_> Sorry :)
[18:15] <gusfraba> ubuntu 12.04 or debian wheezy?
[18:16] <iBobX> QUESTION: Do you know why Richard Stallman kind of saying Ubuntu is NSA friendly?
[18:16] <jdr____> ^^^good question
[18:16] <iBobX> I know, because he's crazy? :)
[18:17] <jdr____> hah
[18:18] <justcarakas> the later ;)
[18:18] <mrbrooks> QUESTION: Is ubuntu looking at closer integration with other cloud service storage systems? e.g. Drive/Dropbox.
[18:19] <mrbrooks> thanks for answering my question jono!
[18:19] <jdr____> You still had hair?
[18:19] <Battaglin> :-)
[18:20] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> Fak 20 mins late?
[18:20] <jdr____> Your still good
[18:20] <Battaglin> 21 mins
[18:20] <Battaglin> haha
[18:20] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> I'll watch the starting 21 mins on youtube later then xD
[18:20] <pulu90> QUESTION: Are all important stuff (ie. contacts) stored in standard or somehow universal filetypes (i.e. csv) or do you have some own filetype?
[18:21] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION How far and wide do you think Ubuntu's "full convergence" go? By this I mean, you have desktop, laptops, TV's tablets and phones right now, but will convergence go further, into watches, Portable gaming devices like the Vita, consoles like the PS4, how far is Ubuntu going to go?
[18:21] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> I have alot of questions today ^^,
[18:22] <Chubfish> When will Ubuntu be available on phones for regular users? I'm eager to try it out! Also will Ubuntu 14.04 LTS be the distro I could force on my macintosch using father? ;)
[18:23] <jdr____> Then you are going to have to have some sort of backend cloud support
[18:23] <Siecje> iBobX: When you use 'Dash' your search queries are stored on Ubuntu servers and the NSA can request access
[18:24] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION You said you don't think big phone manufacturers will jump on board Ubuntu Touch until 2015, do you think that 2015 we'll see bigger brands like Sony and Motorola with ubuntu touch on it?
[18:26] <iBobX> Siecje: Yeah, but makes no sense. Thiking that way means, stay unplug from the internet, that's the only way. It's ridiculous what he is doing making Ubuntu name "blak" because of this...
[18:27] <Battaglin> used what?
[18:27] <Battaglin> im curious
[18:27] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION So on the app store there will be things that parents dont want there kids to view, and people dont want to view some kinds of content, I know games in the UK have PEGI ratings 3+, violence, drugs etc, so I was wondering will there be settings to set what you don't or settings to control what kids see on Ubuntu Touch?
[18:28] <Siecje> iBobX: Why do you need to send a search query to a server when you only want to search locally for files and applications
[18:29] <Chubfish> Question! Hello! :)  Linux and Ubuntu and other distros are growing in popularity in Europe and especially in Sweden where I live, is there any plans to sell ubuntu phones in europe/scandinavia and so on?
[18:30] <Levan> QUESTION: no Windows 98 today I wanted windows 98 Q&A
[18:30] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION with Europe's ability to adapt or at least seem to adapt faster (In the UK I've started to see a lot of Windows phones)do you think the UK is a big aim now for ubuntu touch, if not the uk will be upset because the UK loves ubuntu and its Canonicals home?
[18:30] <iBobX> jono: Yeah, figures...
[18:31] <Levan> QUESTION: Is Windows Xp hip now because mainstream people will stop using it ?? Should I install it ??
[18:31] <Battaglin> ohhh well I've got a Pc ready to put Ubuntu on :-) nicely planned for the easter holiday :-)
[18:31] <iBobX> Philosophy, yeah, that describes it...
[18:32] <jdr____> Battaglin: nice!
[18:32] <Battaglin> yes im looking forward to it
[18:32] <Battaglin> nice setup with Docky
[18:32] <Battaglin> I hope
[18:33] <iBobX> jono: OMG! Yeah you're now in NSA's databases!! LOL
[18:33] <ivo_xavier> [QUESTION] Hi Jono! I'm planning to buy a nexus4 to use Ubuntu on it. Canonical will continue to support this device ? Or will dropp it after 14.10?
[18:33] <jdr____> Im going to keep 12.04LTS on our servers for a bit before we make the leap.
[18:33] <Guest66852> QUESTION: What are the chances of iTunes coming to Linux?
[18:34] <simion314> respect for RMS, we are bad because we can't  commit to freedom
[18:34] <iBobX> Me neither... Extremism keeps people apart, war!
[18:34] <jbylund> Anyone run ubuntu on amazon ec2 on high traffic websites?
[18:34] <iBobX> Yeah good point of view... thanks
[18:35] <dshimer> QUESTION: Sorry if repeat, joined late. What are you personally using to replace Ubuntu One?
[18:36] <Battaglin> what are you guys using as mail client against exchange? if its possible
[18:37] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION There are 2 phones you've announced this year which is awesome, but are these phones just the ones announced, and is there a possibility of a third, or more phones with Utouch preinstalled?
[18:38] <simion314> QUESTION: is Mir and Unity8 license free enough that company could fork  them and put them in consoles,TVs and other stuff with a non ubuntu branding?
[18:39] <jdr____> You really want one of those phones don't you Chloe ;) ;)
[18:40] <JerryR_> came in here here late sorry if this question is already addressed. Any progress in patching up relationship with Amazon.  We still can't do much like download multiple files of music and watch videos.
[18:40] <quandry247> Have you had a chance to look over d3.js - Data driven documents with SVG?  Do you know of anyone looking developing user level tools for it?
[18:44] <jdr____> Dropbox here also....good stuff
[18:44] <Battaglin> OwnCloud here
[18:44] <iBobX> OwnCloud integrated into Ubuntu is a good Idea...
[18:44] <Battaglin> iBobX: hehe.. would be awesome
[18:44] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION since you have a PS4, do you hope that sony jumps on Ubuntu Touch for scopes and app's for Playstation, such as a PSN scope showing you deals and offers, I think Ubuntu Touch would be amazing for sony, and they should defiantly jump on board, also what are your thoughts of the PS Vita?
[18:45] <iBobX> Battaglin: Actually it is, but not completely. You can configure it on your accounts...
[18:45] <iBobX> :)
[18:45] <jbylund> QUESTION: who can I talk to at canonical about performance on AWS?
[18:45] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION At what age did you move to America and why? (Sorry if its to personal, Just wondering)
[18:45] <pulu90> QUESTION: lighter or darker coffee?
[18:45] <Sephy> #dropdropbox has been seen everywhere lately, why is that?
[18:45] <iBobX> Battaglin: I mean, it's not totally integrated, but it is there (Ubuntu 14.04)...
[18:45] <jbylund> (specifically for webservers)
[18:45] <JerryR_> I asked a question... did youo not see it?
[18:45] <jdr____> QUESTION: What Mac are you running?
[18:45] <Guest66852> QUESTION: will the 14.04 requirements be similar to 12.04's?
[18:45] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION Have you ever heard of the band BABYMETAL? If so What do you think of them? And favourite song by them?
[18:46] <jbylund> @JerryR_ I think it's buffered, so that he sees just the prefixed messages.
[18:46] <JerryR_> I asked a question regarding Amazon. Aparently you didn't see it?
[18:46] <Siecje> Sephy: due to personnel opinions
[18:46] <jbylund> @JerryR_ nope, I got here late.
[18:46] <jbylund> Was it after I joined?
[18:47] <jbylund> Oh nevermind, I see it wasn't addressed to me.
[18:47] <JerryR_> Question: came in here here late sorry if this question is already addressed. Any progress in patching up relationship with Amazon.  We still can't do much like download multiple files of music and watch videos.
[18:47] <Finlod_> [QUESTION] Does Canonical take interns?
[18:48] <Sandor> i am new to linux. What distro do you recomand to transit from windows for an office worker, just user level, not programmer
[18:48] <mrbrownstone> QUESTION Do you think Redhat have to much control og core infrastructure such as Systemd and Dbus/Kdbus
[18:49] <Chubfish> Swede here again! Working at a large IT-organisation managing hospitals spread out in Sweden with aprox 50k computers, would Ubuntu be an optimal choice controlling the envoirement? By that I mean would it be a safer solution than Windows? I dont think Im asking in the right way but I think you understand where im going with this :)
[18:49] <triolenzunge> QUESTION: when unity8 will come to the desktop, how will desktop apps integrate?
[18:50] <Levan> QUESTION should Carmelo Anthony move to Chicago
[18:51] <jdr____> Jerry: all caps the word QUESTION and he will pick it up
[18:52] <sondow> QUESTION: I'm sure this has been asked many times but I figured I could get a more personal response. Ubuntu claimed to support Nexus devices. Galaxy Nexus was dropped and then when I purchased Nexus 5 I was surprised to see that it wasn't supported either. Homebrew Android developers have scrapped together a build of Ubuntu running on the Nexus 5 but it's no where near perfect. Has Ubuntu switched focus from Nexus Devices wit
[18:52] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION America vs Japan VS UK who do you think will get Ubuntu Touch in store first?
[18:52] <Kivajohn> Hello :)
[18:52] <Sandor> i am new to linux. What distro do you recomand to transit from windows for an office worker, just user level, not programmer
[18:53] <jdr____> Sandor: put 'QUESTION' in front of it
[18:53] <Kivajohn> do you like window style
[18:53] <Battaglin> Sandor: please notice how others post questions
[18:53] <JerryR_> QUESTION: came in here here late sorry if this question is already addressed. Any progress in patching up relationship with Amazon.  We still can't do much like download multiple files of music and watch videos.
[18:53] <hoholopupo> QUESTION: will it be possible to buy ubuntu phones from ubuntu.com worldwide?
[18:54] <sondow> With the exception of nexus 4*
[18:54] <Kivajohn> I am from Pakistan, will ubuntu phone come to our markets?
[18:54] <Blin> QUESTION: Why do not you want to work with Wayland and wanted to implement Mir in consumption with other distributions?
[18:54] <Sandor> QUESTION: I am new to linux. What distro do you recomand to transit from windows for an office worker, just user level, not programmer
[18:55] <JerryR_> Only one song at a time
[18:55] <JerryR_> and Videos will not play from Amazon Prine
[18:55] <Kivajohn> ANSWER: use what ever you like, I like xfce Sandor
[18:55] <Guest14886> QUESTION: Is Canonical a publicly traded company? Is it possible to buy stocks? :P
[18:56] <Chubfish> Great answers, thank you for doing this q&a!  New question for you: SteamOS has gotten alot of attention, with the main focus on gaming I believe. Will Ubuntu be able to "compete" with SteamOS? Being a gamer this is a really hot subject for me and alot of my friends.
[18:56] <JerryR_> QUESTION:  Amazon only allows downloading one song at a time in Ubuntu and Linux.  Amazon Prime videso are restricted on Linux.  Can this be fixed?
[18:57] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION Do you think Ubuntu touch is one of the first step to Ubuntu pre-installed in laptops and destops in places like America and Japan?
[18:58] <Blin> thx
[18:58] <hoholopupo> QUESTION: Does canonical work with app developers to prepare apps for ubuntu phone launch? Are there some appa wich are ready, but you hiding them, because you waitng for ubuntu phone launch?
[18:58] <snwh> BACON!
[18:58] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION How long do you think it will take for Ubuntu Touch to be close to perfect for most users?
[18:59] <Chubfish> Le Question: Ubuntu is awesome, just saying, but I installed it on an old notebook wich it "lagged" on. Instead I installed Lubuntu and it worked perfectly. My question is if there is any plans on doing an officiall Ubuntu Lite version?
[18:59] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION do you think the world is ready for the amazingness for Ubuntu Touch and Unity 8?
[19:00] <kurt__> K1
[19:01] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> bye bye we miss you already!
[19:01] <hoholopupo> thanks!
[19:01] <simion314> thanks
[19:01] <bogdan_> Bye
[19:07] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> always love a good Q&A xD
[19:07] <jdr____> that was cool
[19:08] <jdr____> My first Q & A
[21:18] <Guest65602> I'd like to get a Ubuntu phone, GSM, unlocked--why are they so freakin expensive??


[01:54] <poolie> hi
[01:54] <poolie> i'm trying to add a branch to a bug and i get
[01:54] <poolie> raise KeyError("'%s' already present in wsgi environment." % key)
[01:54] <poolie> jml ^^
[01:59] <jml> poolie: I'll take a look.
[02:01] <jml> poolie: do you get to see the value of 'key', or a more full error message?
[02:01] <jml> because that doesn't look like something particularly related to linking a bug and a branch.
[02:07] <poolie> no but it's OOPS-492B4117
[02:07] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/492B4117
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #113218 in launchpad-bazaar "add branch to a bug should allow direct registration" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113218
[04:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[04:01] <beuno> moooooooooornin mpt
[04:03] <beuno> hm, mpt, you might know, any list of the ubuntu members going to deconf?
[04:03] <beuno> *debconf
[04:04] <beuno> I just got my plane ticket confirmed, so it would be nice to meet ubunteros over there (although it might not be the safest place to) :p
[04:05] <mpt> beuno, no sorry, I'm not an Ubuntu member, and I don't know when/where debconf is
[04:06] <beuno> oh, sorry, I just asumed...  thanks :D
[04:51] <atoponce> who's an admin on launchpad that can help me?
[04:54] <thumper> atoponce: I'm not but perhaps I can help
[04:55] <atoponce> thumper: ok. cool.
[04:55] <atoponce> i'm looking to have 2 people get administrative access to a team project page
[04:55] <atoponce> basically, the team has been dead for a while, and they are reviving it
[04:56] <thumper> atoponce: ok, which team?
[04:56] <atoponce> https://launchpad.net/~california.team
[04:56] <atoponce> the two that need that access is Carl Agbayani and Flannel (not sure of his full name)
[04:57] <thumper> atoponce: what's happened to the current team owner?
[04:57] <atoponce> awol
[04:57] <atoponce> never responds to emails, hasn't been online for ages, etc
[04:58] <atoponce> Neal Bussett is Flannel
[05:00] <atoponce> it looks like mark nielson has made recent approvals to the team on the page
[05:00] <atoponce> maybe i should try his email again?
[05:01] <thumper> atoponce: perhaps you could ask him to make some others admins to help?
[05:01] <thumper> alternatively if this doesn't help, you could try registering a question against launchpad
[05:02] <thumper> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[05:02] <atoponce> ok. yeah. i just sent another email. we'll see what happens
[05:02] <thumper> these questions are addressed by admins
[05:02] <atoponce> ok. cool
[05:02] <atoponce> thx for your help
[05:02] <thumper> np
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #113262 in malone "Inconsistency in package naming between e-mail commands and e-mail notifications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113262
[09:02] <lifeless> jamesh: ping
[09:02] <jamesh> lifeless: pong
[09:02] <lifeless> I dont think you replied to my 'will you allocate reviews' mail?
[09:02] <lifeless> so this is me asking you if you are doing said thing.
[09:02] <jamesh> sorry.  I'll do the allocations.
[09:03] <lifeless> thank you, I appreciate that hugely.
[09:04] <lifeless> btw, is your avahi stuff got a setup.py?
[09:04] <lifeless> be good to get it packaged, and that makes it easier
[09:04] <jamesh> lifeless: I suppose it is best not to give branches to new reviewers that were done by their mentors, right?
[09:05] <lifeless> jamesh: yes, please avoid that :)
[09:06] <jamesh> lifeless: I haven't done much on my avahi plugin since the sprint.
[09:06] <jamesh> I've been meaning to refactor it to run from the "smart server start/stop" hooks
[09:06] <lifeless> sounds cool
[09:27] <seb128> bjornT: hi
[09:27] <seb128> bjornT: do you know how https://bugs.launchpad.net/rhythmbox/+bug/112458 happened?
[09:27] <seb128> upstream bug opened on launchpad
[09:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112458 in rhythmbox "debdiff for merge from debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[09:31] <jamesh> seb128: I wonder if they changed the target?
[09:31] <seb128> jamesh: after filling the bug? I doubt of it
[09:32] <seb128> let me ask him
[09:34] <seb128> jamesh: he doesn't remember what he did exactly
[09:34] <seb128> do you have some sort of log of what happened to the bug?
[09:35] <jamesh> seb128: there is the activity log, but it is woefully inadequate
[09:35] <seb128> right, I was wondering if you had extra informations on the server
[09:36] <jamesh> found it
[09:36] <seb128> cool
[09:36] <jamesh> I can file bugs against any project at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug
[09:37] <jamesh> even ones that don't use Launchpad
[09:37] <seb128> that's likely it then
[09:37] <jamesh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/rhythmbox/+bug/113267 <- that
[09:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113267 in rhythmbox "test bug" [Undecided,Rejected]
[09:38] <jamesh> 's the test bug I filed
[09:39] <seb128> jamesh: he confirms, he used launchpad.net, clicked on bugs and on file a bug then
[09:41] <seb128> jamesh: bug #109310 is likely due to it
[09:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109310 in malone "upstream task opened on a product not using malone as bug tracker" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109310
[09:43] <jamesh> seb128: thanks.  Didn't see that when filing a bug about this, so I've marked it as a duplicate
[09:44] <seb128> no problem
[09:44] <jamesh> (since the new bug has info on how the problem occurred).
[09:44] <zyga> kiko: hello, I was going to talk to you yesterday but had little time
[09:45] <zyga> kiko: do you remember our short discussion from 8 days ago?
[09:45] <carlos> morning
[09:45] <kiko> zyga, I remember we talked, but I can't remember what it was about!
[09:45] <kiko> hey carlos
[09:45] <zyga> about external contributors helping with launchpad on small tasks
[09:45] <carlos> kiko: hey!
[09:46] <zyga> I am especially interested in helping out with non firefox compatibility
[09:46] <kiko> zyga, ah, I remember.
[09:46] <zyga> (in non-IE browsers)
[09:46] <kiko> zyga, so you need to talk to SteveA and Rinchen about this.
[09:46] <zyga> okay
[09:46] <kiko> we have had an external contributor once
[09:47] <kiko> it didn't work out too well, which is something to consider
[09:47] <zyga> I see
[09:47] <zyga> well you did mention the complexity of launchpad
[09:47] <zyga> I wonder how could I work on small bits of code exactly
[09:48] <zyga> I understand that there is a devepment version available for developers
[09:48] <zyga> and that code is submitted via PQM
[09:48] <kiko> right
[09:48] <kiko> it's non-trivial to work on small bits of code -- you would need the whole tree, in particular to be able to write tests and run the thing
[09:49] <zyga> I see
[09:49] <zyga> how can I sign the NDA? I hope I would not have to physically go to UK to do this
[09:49] <kiko> talk to SteveA
[09:49] <zyga> okay
[09:50] <zyga> SteveA: ^ could you please comment on the above?
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #113268 in malone "General "report a new bug" form lets users file bugs against projects not using Launchpad" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113268
[10:02] <zyga> re
[10:02] <zyga> SteveA: sorry, lost wifi
[10:25] <SteveA> zyga: hi
[10:25] <SteveA> zyga: you said "^ could you please comment on the above?"
[10:26] <SteveA> my scroll-back goes on for miles.  please be more specific about what you want me to comment on.
[10:27] <Hobbsee> SteveA: staring from .44 - zyga i'd say
[10:40] <SteveA> Hobbsee: thanks.
[10:40] <Hobbsee> SteveA: no problem :)
[10:41] <SteveA> although I don't see why I should read some other conversation to save zyga the effort of asking me a question directly. :-)
[10:42] <SteveA> Hobbsee: how is launchpad working for you at the moment?
[10:42] <Hobbsee> SteveA: about that, can we get https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-sponsors/ not to list debian & upstream bugs - just ubuntu?
[10:42] <Hobbsee> or at least have an option to say "show me only ubuntu bugs"?
[10:43] <Hobbsee> SteveA: seems OK - it's nice not being in au.
[10:43] <Hobbsee> (performance wise)
[10:43] <SteveA> I didn't realize you were not in .au.  :-)
[10:43] <IAW3632> Hi kiko
[10:43] <kiko> hi there
[10:43] <Hobbsee> SteveA: also, i'd like to see at a glance whether the newest package version built or not, looking at a bug.
[10:44] <kiko> hey Hobbsee
[10:44] <Hobbsee> hiya kiko.  i've finally realised who you are :)
[10:44] <Hobbsee> SteveA: i'm at UDS.
[10:44] <IAW3632> Kiko, can you please have a look at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/4676 ?
[10:44] <kiko> Hobbsee, are you here?
[10:44] <kiko> aha
[10:44] <SteveA> awsome
[10:44] <SteveA> Hobbsee: see if you can talk with bjorn, also at UDS about those things
[10:45] <kiko> Hobbsee, were you on the teenage table last night?
[10:45] <Hobbsee> kiko: um...which part of last night?
[10:45] <Hobbsee> SteveA: right.  dont know who he is.
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #35974 in soyuz "The contents of the dependencies field is wrong" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/35974
[10:45] <kiko> Hobbsee, late last night. and I can introduce you to bjorn
[10:46] <Hobbsee> kiko: oh yeah, i was for a while
[10:46] <Hobbsee> kiko: that'd be good.  especially if you could find me
[10:46] <kiko> I think I know who you are now
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #31611 in soyuz "No command-line tools to manipulate build database" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/31611
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #113282 in soyuz "Source Build dependencies should be linked to BinaryPackages no SourcePackages" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113282
[10:52] <IAW3632> kiko, we need something done for #4676 or we won't be able to activate rosetta/malone (I am ago by the way, we chatted a few weeks ago), can you please take care of it?
[10:53] <kiko> IAW3632, hang on.
[10:54] <kiko> IAW3632, is there a team we could use as an owner?
[10:54] <IAW3632> lupin-team
[10:54] <kiko> okidok
[10:55] <kiko> IAW3632, done
[10:55] <IAW3632> thanks a lot
[10:56] <Hobbsee> SteveA: done
[11:03] <zyga> SteveA: I was asking about external contributors and NDAs
[11:04] <zyga> about how to actually sign one
[11:36] <SteveA> zyga: hi.  we can talk about it.  I'm really busy until the end of hte week, though.
[11:46] <zyga> SteveA: okay, I will try to talk to you after the conference, maybe next week. I'd like to ask one quick question though: how do I physically sign the NDA?
[11:48] <SteveA> zyga: we're not at that stage yet.  we need to talk about this.
[11:48] <zyga> okay
[12:30] <Susana> hi, is "browse files" working for projects hosted in launchpad?
[12:30] <Susana> i get a 500 internal error
[12:31] <Susana> some projects i can see individual files if i go directly at them, but i can't browse the tree
[12:38] <kiko> Susana, interesting. can you show me a link?
[12:38] <kiko> "browse files"?
[12:39] <Susana> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~mapdevs/support.points.map/running/annotate/mark%40looksaus-20070504133859-61985f5235d1305c?start_revid=mark%40looksaus-20070504134747-8624b917c739e1ec&file_id=header.php-20060719061251-2ae8283699b923d1
[12:40] <Susana> that works on individual files but not browse
[12:40] <Susana> this always one gives an error http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~planet-ubuntu/config/main/changes
[12:52] <kiko> ah
[12:52] <kiko> a codebrowse crash!
[01:03] <Susana> yeah, sorry about not beeing very specific
[01:03] <kiko-fud> Susana, I need to leave for lunch, but can you file a bug on that? launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+filebug?
[01:04] <Susana> ok
[01:04] <Susana> thanks
[01:13] <tjs> hey
[01:14] <tjs> I've just created a project on launchpad, was about to push my first branch, but it says in the help to allow others to commit I need to create a team?
[01:14] <tjs> I can't seem to find anywhere I can create a 'team'
[01:15] <oojah_> Try: https://launchpad.net/people/+newteam
[01:15] <tjs> cheers
[01:16] <oojah_> That's from the people page from the home menu.
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #113315 in launchpad-bazaar "http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~mapdevs/support.points.map/running/  gives 500 internal error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113315
[01:41] <tjs> so in making an initial checkin of my project source, I should create a directory called 'trunk' locally, move my source into it, then do the appropriate 'push' ? or do I init it before hand?
[01:54] <tjs> jml: hey
[01:54] <jml> tjs: hi
[01:54] <tjs> jml: fancy meeting you here ;)
[01:59] <jamesh> tjs: in general, you root your source tree at the base of the bazaar branch
[01:59] <tjs> ok, ty :)
[02:00] <jamesh> tjs: Subversion only supports branching and merging within the same tree, which is why they suggest that layout
[02:01] <jamesh> with Bazaar, you want all your related branches to share the same directory layout
[02:01] <tjs> ok
[02:01] <tjs> will do that, I guess I'll work this out as I go a bit as well :)
[02:02] <Adri2000> I'm trying to add a contact email address to a team, but I don't receive any confirmation message... :/
[02:02] <jamesh> Adri2000: is the contact email a mailing list?
[02:02] <Adri2000> jamesh: yes
[02:03] <jamesh> Adri2000: does that mailing list block or moderate non-subscriber posts?
[02:03] <Sp4rKy> hi
[02:04] <Sp4rKy> jamesh: yyes, it does
[02:04] <Adri2000> Sp4rKy is the admin of the server which hosts the mailing-list :)
[02:04] <jamesh> Sp4rKy: okay.  Check the list of held messages
[02:04] <Sp4rKy> jamesh: already done
[02:04] <jamesh> and it wasn't there?
[02:04] <Sp4rKy> nop
[02:05] <Sp4rKy> the strange thing it's there is not in my log
[02:05] <Sp4rKy> and it should be , even if it's greylisting
[02:05] <Sp4rKy> greylisted*
[02:06] <jamesh> Sp4rKy: the from address should be<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and the envelope sender should be<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:07] <jamesh> if that helps you in determining the problem
[02:07] <Sp4rKy> maybe an error during my switch, i'll delete and then recreate the list
[02:07] <Sp4rKy> jamesh: indeed, nothing
[02:36] <Sp4rKy> please, does anyone can check log on the lp mail server ?
[02:37] <Sp4rKy> i don't understand why i don't receive any mail from lp whereas my mail server seems to works fine
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #113334 in launchpad "sometimes mail is not sent to subscibers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113334
[03:38] <Sp4rKy> hehe, seem i'm not alone with this issue
[03:51] <kiko-fud> Sp4rKy, really?
[03:53] <Sp4rKy> kiko-fud: yep
[03:53] <Sp4rKy> the mail contact from dad team never be sent to my mail server
[03:56] <kiko-fud> that's odd
[03:59] <Sp4rKy> yep
[03:59] <Sp4rKy> can you check mail log ?
[03:59] <Sp4rKy> if yes, you may grep dad.lists.dunnewind.net in the logs
[04:00] <Sp4rKy> because the mail never arrived on my mail server
[04:00] <Sp4rKy> whereas the server works perfectly
[04:15] <Sp4rKy> kiko: any information ?
[04:16] <kiko> I can't check the mail log, but if you ask on #canonical-sysadmin, you can
[04:16] <kiko> get them to help you out with more information
[04:17] <Sp4rKy> ok
[04:19] <Sp4rKy> done
[04:39] <aa_> hi, any chance of adding our own trac to the Launchpad-usage...bug-tracker...external bug tracker thing?
[04:54] <Adri2000> does the "author" of a bzr branch receive mail notifications?
[04:54] <Adri2000> or do I need to subscribe?
[04:55] <radix> you probably need to subscribe
[04:55] <Adri2000> ok
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #98437 in zope3 "TestBrowser Referer: header set to 'localhost'" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/98437
[07:13] <popey> beta launchpad enabled again?
[07:16] <matsubara> popey: it wasn't disabled, just the redirect
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #113392 in rosetta "Notification for new translations by non-member" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113392
[07:24] <popey> it's just that answers.lp.net has now been spitting out mails with the beta url
[07:24] <popey> nvm
[07:25] <matsubara> popey: unfortunately people using beta to answer question will still trigger that bug.
[08:26] <jdong> are there any plans for a way to delete/hide comments from Malone?
[08:26] <jdong> it's really bothersome when random user conversation clutters up bug tickets
[08:42] <carlos> jdong: please, file a ticket reporting that problem and admins will handle it
[08:47] <blueyed> I'd like to see a feature "halt screensaver if DPMS reports that monitor is off". Is this something for Bugs or Blueprints?
[08:49] <carlos> blueyed: it depends, will you write the spec or it's just a request from you ?
[08:49] <carlos> if it's just a feature you would like to see, file a bug
[08:50] <carlos> the developer that accepts / implements it will decide whether it needs a blueprint
[08:50] <blueyed> Ah, I see. Thanks, carlos. I'll file a bug then.
[08:52] <ddaa> compiz, renewing the joy (vice?) of fiddling endlessly with one's window manager settins
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #113418 in launchpad "opera 9.20 launchpad lay-out problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113418
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #47280 in rosetta "Please add en_NZ "English (New Zealand)" to preferred languages list" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47280
[11:17] <etnoy> how long does it take to do a SVN import? I have been waiting for almost 36h, and it still says testing...
[11:22] <etnoy> nobody? :)
[11:24] <thumper> etnoy: it depends on the size of the svn repository
[11:25] <thumper> etnoy: it is not unheard of for an import to take many days
[11:39] <etnoy> thumper: okay. my repo is quite small, but I'll be patient
[11:39] <etnoy> by the way, I don't really understand how the launchpad bzr system works...
[11:39] <etnoy> can I continue to develop in my svn and launchpad will import these settings?
[11:39] <etnoy> (a question for the faq...)
[11:40] <Fujitsu> Launchpad periodically looks for new revisions in the SVN repositories, and imports those.
[11:44] <thumper> etnoy: yes, if you have set up the branch to be imported, then you can continue to work in svn and it will bring in the changes
[11:44] <thumper> etnoy: which product is the import for?
[11:45] <mdke> actually this one has been "testing" for quite a few days too - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc/feisty
[11:46] <mdke> probably it needs manual intervention
[11:46] <mdke> "The vcs-imports operator will review the source details and either mark the series "Do not sync", or perform a test import. If the test import is successful, a public import will be created."
[11:49] <etnoy> thumper: product? I am working on the project "evad"
[11:49] <etnoy> if that is what you mean
[11:49] <thumper> etnoy: yeah, sorry old terminology
[11:49] <etnoy> great to hear about periodic imports. I can use my sf.net svn and launchpad bugreports/bluepr :)
[11:50] <etnoy> yay!
[11:50] <etnoy> thanks
[11:50] <etnoy> now, Sweden is getting late. good night!
[11:50] <thumper> night
[12:00] <Nafallo> baah. Sweden isn't late :-P
[12:00] <Nafallo> 00:00


[12:31] <asac> its really messy
[12:31] <asac> httpget template isn't sufficient
[12:31] <asac> it doesn't display the license ... at least from what i see
[12:31] <asac> it just says: you can find it somewhere on adobe.com :/
[12:32] <crimsun> take a look at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/5118162/flashplugin-nonfree_<IP_ADDRESS>%7Eubuntu1.tar.gz and http://launchpadlibrarian.net/5118163/flashplugin-nonfree_<IP_ADDRESS>%7Eubuntu1.dsc
[12:32] <crimsun> that's the last version that offered it IIRC
[12:36] <asac> crimsun: i might be a moron  ... but it doesn't build for me
[12:37] <asac> dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory
[12:38] <asac> i just build it with dpkg-buildpackage -b
[12:38] <crimsun> (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/i386/flashplugin-nonfree/<IP_ADDRESS>~ubuntu1)
[12:38] <crimsun> arg
[12:38] <asac> and it fails
[12:38] <crimsun> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/5118980/flashplugin-nonfree_<IP_ADDRESS>%7Eubuntu1_i386.deb
[12:38] <asac> ah
[12:38] <asac> :)
[12:38] <asac> now i see :)
[12:38] <asac> i am on amd64
[12:39] <crimsun> right, you added amd64 support :)
[12:40] <asac> its interesting that it really fails to tell me that the problem is my architecture
[12:40] <asac> just fails like crazy
[12:41] <asac> crimsun: that package didn't ask me a thing :(
[12:41] <asac> crimsun: why the hell does he do all this "use already existing local tar.gz" stuff?
[12:41] <asac> crimsun: any idea?
[12:42] <asac> i feel tempted to just drop all this and redo the package from scratch
[12:42] <crimsun> asac: to not redownload the tarball.  Feel free to redo it if you'd like.
[12:43] <asac> crimsun: when would you want to not redownload tarball?
[12:43] <asac> crimsun: the only situation i can imagine is --reinstall
[12:43] <crimsun> asac: there's also version x.y.z-Aubuntu1 -> x.y.z-Aubuntu2
[12:44] <crimsun> (or A -> A+1, for that matter{
[12:44] <asac> ah
[12:44] <asac> thanks for giving me those obvious ideas ;)
[12:45] <crimsun> ;)
[12:45] <asac> the problem i see is ... whatever i do now ... if its more than one line it will certainly be wiped on next merge by someone :)
[12:46] <asac> i will think about this
[12:46] <asac> and talk to mvo on how to best display that license
[12:46] <crimsun> great :)
[12:47] <asac> at best directly displaying the original license url ... like firefox plugin wizard does
[12:48] <crimsun> many/most people I've introduced to Ubuntu Gutsy just use whatever Firefox provides instead of installing the flashplugin-nonfree package, but I realise that doesn't accomodate Opera and Konqueror
[12:49] <asac> crimsun: have you seen the new plugin installer wizard of firefox (which is why i ran into this licensing thing) ?
[12:49] <asac> crimsun: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/pfs/screens/pfs1.png
[12:50] <asac> you can now find/install apt packages ;)
[12:50] <crimsun> read about it but haven't used it
[12:51] <asac> sure ... what do you mean by "whatever firefox provides" ... iirc we don't install flash by default ... do we?
[12:51] <asac> ah ... i see :) ... they use the package plugin-finderwizard pops up :)
[12:51] <crimsun> right.
[12:51] <asac> sorry for being tired ;)
[01:10] <nixternal> wi6
[01:10] <nixternal> err
[04:04] <alex-weej> asac: great news about the apt support in ubufox
[08:13] <Mithrandir> geser: given-back in gutsy too now
[06:15] <alex-weej> doesn't the new Bootloader Manager screw up the automatic list generation?
[06:16] <alex-weej> i can't help but get the feeling it should be editing an intermediate configuration
[10:31] <xhaker> !find jni.h
[10:31] <ubotu> File jni.h found in classpath-common, firefox-dev, gcc-snapshot, j2sdk1.4, java-gcj-compat-dev (and 9 others)
[12:12] <ProN00b> can anyone file a bug for me ? vino-server (and other vnc servers) aparently depend on an US keyboard layout to work correctly


[03:33] <jaugen> Hi.  Is there a fix for Google Drive in Dolphin.  It works in Neon but not Kubuntu.
[03:34] <valorie> be prepared to wait for an answer -- we're all volunteers
[03:35] <jaugen> Understood.
[03:38] <valorie> ty
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[21:20] <arraybolt3> am I the only one who mysteriously can't enable Tap-to-Click on my touchpad? Kubuntu 24.04
[21:21] <arraybolt3> just did a fresh install with the latest daily onto an Elitebook 8570p, two-finger scrolling works, mouse buttons work, the "nib" in the middle of the keyboard (similar to a Thinkpad, don't remember what that's called) works, but tap-to-click silently fails and I can't enable it in the Touchpad settings (the option(s) is/are grayed out).
[23:02] <mparillo> I use a live USB to access my Internet Banking site. What's strange to me is that from a live USB, sometimes the tap-to-click is selectable, and other times it is not.
[23:02] <mparillo> As if there was a sequence in something loading.


[00:28] <studio-user785> hey
[00:28] <studio-user785> its me
[00:28] <studio-user785> studio_user785
[00:31] <studio-user785> is unity too much of a hog? thats why you dont use it?
[00:32] <studio-user785> ill see if there is a huge difference
[01:21] <holstein> studio-user797: we just went with XFCE for the work flow mainly
[01:21] <holstein> if you like unity, use it :)
[01:23] <holstein> all of the studio stuff will work fine in any DE
[13:41] <JStoe> hi im using ubuntu studio
[13:41] <smartboyhw> Hi JStoe
[13:42] <JStoe> hi its me floatinggoat if you remebmer me
[13:42] <smartboyhw> JStoe, No:P
[13:42] <JStoe> oh i remember you
[13:42] <smartboyhw> JStoe, oh alright:P
[13:43] <JStoe> im using kupfer to suite the lack of unity but otherwise its pretty good as my main OS
[13:43] <holstein> i like kupfer
[13:43] <smartboyhw> Ah the use-unity-to-replace-xfce right?
[13:43] <JStoe> no im using xfce
[13:44] <JStoe> I always end up liking xfce even though im a fan of unity
[13:44] <holstein> i was reading about another one... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/synapse-gnome-do-launcher-app-review-ubuntu
[13:44] <holstein> yeah, unity is fine ... the launcher is slow, but it works great
[13:44] <holstein> i dont think i'll ever use it full time though
[13:44] <JStoe> holstein, i like kupfer too, i really like how it can even open web pages.
[13:44] <holstein> i like openbox with some add-ons like kupfer
[13:44]  * smartboyhw likes xfce more then unity
[13:45] <smartboyhw> Especially after they added shopping lens to it:P
[13:45] <holstein> shopping lens is new
[13:45] <holstein> could work fine.. we'll see
[13:45]  * smartboyhw uses all updated version of 12.10:P
[13:46] <holstein> nice.. i think i will soon on my machine with the nvidia ion
[13:46] <smartboyhw> holstein, :)
[13:46] <holstein> otherwise, i still using 10.04 on my studio rig
[13:47] <smartboyhw> holstein, wow still using 10.04? Just upgrade to Studio 12.04 LTS can't you:P
[13:47] <holstein> smartboyhw: not withtou extensive hardware/software testing
[13:48] <holstein> smartboyhw: i make money with that rig
[13:48] <smartboyhw> holstein, OK:P
[13:48] <holstein> right now, it works fine.. though i will upgrade when i get time to make the switch
[13:49] <smartboyhw> holstein, good
[13:49] <holstein> maybe i just wait for 14.04 ;)
[13:50] <smartboyhw> holstein, wow:P
[13:51] <holstein> i'll still test all then inbetween versions anyway
[13:51] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:07] <JStoe> I like how xfce lets me run jack in realtime with no noticable lag/flickering
[14:07] <smartboyhw> JStoe, :)
[14:08] <holstein> JStoe: you dont find that the case with unity?
[14:08] <holstein> it really shouldnt matter all that much what DE you use...
[14:08] <JStoe> holstein, yeah idk if it was unity or my kernel
[14:08] <JStoe> cause i was using regular ubuntu of course
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Should be kernel:P
[14:08] <JStoe> with tha regular kernel
[14:09] <smartboyhw> JStoe, normal Ubuntu uses -generic kernel, we use -lowlatenchy kernel
[14:09] <JStoe> but id expect running jack like that would be tough ont eh cpu
[14:09] <JStoe> and unity isnt exactly light
[14:09] <JStoe> smartboyhw, I use that now
[14:09] <holstein> i would test with unity and xfce installed on the same hardware.. the same installation
[14:09] <smartboyhw> JStoe, so it matters about the kernel...
[14:10]  * smartboyhw has unity, kde and xfce installed
[14:10] <holstein> i would boot the *same* kernel.. and only change the DE and test
[14:10] <holstein> the results should be quite similar
[14:11] <JStoe> alright
[14:11] <JStoe> hmm idk if i would switch back then
[14:11] <JStoe> I do like how unity saves on screen real estate
[14:12] <holstein> JStoe: should?
[14:12] <holstein> JStoe: you can have both installe at the same time
[14:12] <JStoe> I know
[14:12] <holstein> JStoe: you *should* use what you like
[14:13] <JStoe> then again im on a 12GB partition becaues im lazy
[14:13] <holstein> we chose XFCE for a reason.. but uniyt should work fine
[14:13] <JStoe> what reason is that
[14:13] <holstein> JStoe: mostly work flow
[14:13] <JStoe> it has better work flow?
[14:14] <holstein> we feel its the most like gnome2 was
[14:14] <JStoe> does it have better tiling or something?
[14:14] <holstein> "better" is a matter of opiion
[14:14] <holstein> opinion*
[14:14] <JStoe> how do i tile
[14:14] <holstein> we also really like the xubuntu team
[14:14] <holstein> JStoe: i would use a tiling manager.. something like awesome
[14:14] <JStoe> oh xfce doesnt tile?
[14:15] <holstein> JStoe: all this stuff is open.. it'll all do whatever you have the patience to make it do
[14:15] <holstein> JStoe: i usually go to specific tools for the job
[14:15] <holstein> awesome is a tiling manager.. xfce is not
[14:16] <holstein> does that mean you cant make XFCE tile?.. i know you can.. but how easy? and at what cost?
[14:16] <Madz> hi can helo to set up connection for internet, i have connected to wi-fi but i can't access to internet?
[14:16] <holstein> and why when there are tiling managers... plus, thats not what xfce is "expecting" you to do with it
[14:16] <holstein> Madz: you can ping the gateway?
[14:17] <Madz> no
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Madz: Maybe your router lost connection, I sometimes had that problem too
[14:17] <holstein> http://notanothersheep.com/XFCE4WindowTiling
[14:17] <holstein> Madz: if you cant ping the gateway, then you are *not* connected
[14:18] <holstein> Madz: i would reconnect.. sometimes, as they say on "the IT crowd".. you can trun it all off and back on again
[14:18] <holstein> turn*
[14:18] <holstein> http://notanothersheep.com/XFCE4WindowTiling was for you JStoe
[14:18]  * smartboyhw does what holstein says if he lose connection
[14:18] <holstein> Madz: i would see that *any* computer can connect and ping the gateway, and then something like google.com
[14:19] <holstein> Madz: i would check the config of the router
[14:19] <Madz> oh ok i'll try,, thanks
[14:20] <holstein> Madz: also, not that im kicking you out of here.. but if its slow here, try #ubntu and/or #xubuntu
[14:22] <Madz> do you have link to slove my problem?
[14:23] <holstein> Madz: im not sure either of us know what your problem is right now
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Madz: What link? Website or channel?
[14:23] <holstein> i have suggestions for trying to discover your issue
[14:23] <holstein> trying pinging the gateway and google.com from another wireless device on the network
[14:24] <holstein> trying pinging the gateway and google.com from the device with the "issue"
[14:24] <Madz> ok,,
[14:24] <holstein> Madz: i would try getting close to the router.. sometimes i have seen a broadcom chip show connected, but not be actually "connected"
[14:25] <holstein> if i had other routers around (which i do) i would turn one on without encryption and connect to the open wifi point and ping the gateway
[14:31] <Madz> ok,, i try now,, because now i use windows, i change to ubuntu,, see ya...
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Bye Madz
[14:41] <drupin> hi there smartboyhw
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Hi drupin
[14:42] <drupin> how ya holstein
[14:42] <drupin> this hydrogen is a kool tool
[15:08] <holstein> drupin: its a great tool... check out Stuzz in #opensourcemusicians ...hes the H2 master :)
[19:35] <briamini_> Where is a log of all crashes kept at?
[19:35] <briamini_> I have a program that from face value looks to crash randomly, but I'm sure their has to be a reason.
[20:40] <ubuntu-studio> hello, I'm testing ubuntu-studio with m-audio fast track pro , i have problems always to obtain microphone input. any help on how to solve this problem?? I know it is possible to have this card work "out of box", because i made it works some times ago,  anyway it's not so yet.
[20:40] <ubuntu-studio> ubuntu-studio quantal beta 2... to be pricise.
[20:44] <ubuntu-studio> I have tested this card on many linux-distro, but it doesn't work out of box. i'd like to have a link to information on how to make this card work for the moment. The problem is the input of microphone


[00:39] <Rocket2DMn> hey, where is the serverguide in the hardy branch?
[00:44] <Rocket2DMn> nvm found it
[01:42] <Rocket2DMn> ping nhandler
[01:47] <Rocket2DMn> nhandler, you there?
[01:49] <Shane_Fagan> Is anyone looking after Bug #187133 ?
[01:49] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 187133 in ubuntu-docs "The section Listen to online audio streams is out-of-date and requires rework." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187133
[01:55] <Rocket2DMn> go for it Shane_Fagan
[01:55] <Shane_Fagan> Sure im just about done now
[02:11] <Shane_Fagan> Im updating the section on internet radio streams should I include info about vlc?
[02:14] <Shane_Fagan> Ah ill just mention that other media players support internet radio streams
[02:24] <Shane_Fagan> Its quite annoying that rhythmbox's future in ubuntu is so uncertain. I added banshee just in case. Can someone review my patch and see if its ok? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26334390/AudioStreams.diff
[04:05] <nhandler> If I am giving an example command that should be entered in the terminal, how should I denote text that the user needs to input. For example, 'sudo apt-get install <package>'. Should I put the item the user needs to change in <>'s, make it italicized, or something else?
[04:14] <persia> I always liked the use of monospace sans-serif for that, personally, but I don't know the relevant standards applied within the group.
[15:57] <Shane_Fagan> mdke: *ping
[22:42] <Rocket2DMn> hey guys, did i move bug 371927 into the right package?
[22:42] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 371927 in gnome-user-docs "documentation Section 2.4.2 -  Adding Workspaces" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371927
[22:42] <Rocket2DMn> it was in ubuntu-docs, but after much frustration not finding what the user was talking about, i downloading the lp:gnome-user-docs and found it there
[22:50] <Shane_Fagan> DougieRichardson: I put up another diff for you :)
[22:52] <Shane_Fagan> Bug #187133
[22:52] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 187133 in ubuntu-docs "The section Listen to online audio streams is out-of-date and requires rework." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187133
[22:56] <DougieRichardson> Shane_fagan: hi, I'll take a look in a mo - in ubuntu-learning meeting
[22:57] <Shane_Fagan> No bother take your time
[22:57] <nhandler> What is the proper way to denote a placeholder in a command that the user needs to replace? For example, 'sudo apt-get install <package>'
[22:59] <DougieRichardson> good question
[23:01] <DougieRichardson> There isn't an example I can think of off the top of my head, is there anything in the command line section of the advanced topics?
[23:01] <nhandler> I'll look in a little bit. I have a MOTU Meeting followed by a BT meeting followed by a Wiki FG meeting ;)
[23:01] <dsas_> Rocket2DMn: Assuming that link is correct then the bug is likely in the workspace-switcher manual itself, that's probably a part of the gnome-panel package iirc
[23:02] <dsas_> DougieRichardson: Think it can get away with using $USER etc
[23:02] <DougieRichardson> I'll have a look too but from memory I'm inclined to think we don't use placeholders
[23:03] <DougieRichardson> dsas_: hi mate, I dunno - people might feel the need to include the $ literal
[23:03] <dsas_> DougieRichardson: For the command line section that's ok
[23:03] <dsas_> echo $USER gives your username
[23:04] <dsas_> Re-reading that, my first line wasn't very clear. sorry
[23:05] <DougieRichardson> agreed but if you did a sudo apt-get install $package-name it would bomb, wouldn't it?
[23:05] <dsas_> yes
[23:05] <dsas_> Sorry, wasn't suggesting it was a good idea to do that. Was just explaining what basic commands did
[23:05] <DougieRichardson> oh sorry dude, long day
[23:06] <dsas_> Rocket2DMn: content being able to crash yelp is also a bug
[23:09] <DougieRichardson> which bug
[23:11] <dsas_> DougieRichardson: 371927
[23:11] <dsas_> DougieRichardson: bug 371927
[23:11] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 371927 in gnome-user-docs "documentation Section 2.4.2 -  Adding Workspaces" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371927
[23:11] <dsas_> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549302 looks related
[23:11] <ubot4`> Gnome bug 549302 in docs "Window List and Workspace Switch applet help title "Problem Showing Document"" [Minor,Unconfirmed]
[23:14] <DougieRichardson> Is this not a yelp problem?
[23:14] <DougieRichardson> Although, it might be worth double checking the relevant source, I've crashed yelp before with my text
[23:18] <Rocket2DMn> dsas_, thanks for the response. there were a couple of packages i looked into for that
[23:19] <dsas_> Hmm, actually the source validates
[23:19] <dsas_> /usr/share/gnome/help/workspace-switcher/C/workspace-switcher.xml
[23:21] <DougieRichardson> Have you cat it - its deprecated
[23:21] <Rocket2DMn> dsas_, that file is not where the content is
[23:22] <Rocket2DMn> dsas_, in the gnome2-user-guide source, the content is in gosoverview.xml
[23:22] <Rocket2DMn> when i run "dpkg -S gosoverview.xml" i see gnome-user-guide
[23:22] <dsas_> heh, was just reading it, after validating it. Sorry you're right
[23:22] <Rocket2DMn> but i saw more bugs filed against gnome-user-docs
[23:23] <Rocket2DMn> although there isnt a gnome-user-docs package in ubuntu
[23:23] <Rocket2DMn> i guess gnome-user-guide is the right package?
[23:24] <dsas_> Rocket2DMn: gnome-user-docs is the source package iirc.
[23:24] <Rocket2DMn> i am horrible about finding my way through documents, i cnat seem to find a logical connection between how stuff appears in yelp and how the docs are laid out
[23:24] <DougieRichardson> That file does crash yelp
[23:24] <Rocket2DMn> it always takes me forever to find what im looking for when somebody files a bug
[23:25] <dsas_> Rocket2DMn: It is often tricky. Specially as the search isn't great either.
[23:25] <Rocket2DMn> so we're sure it's gnome-user-guide?
[23:26] <dsas_> yep
[23:26] <DougieRichardson> looks like it
[23:26] <Rocket2DMn> lol gnome-user-guide isnt a valid option on lp
[23:27] <dsas_> gah
[23:27] <dsas_> it's gnome-user-docs
[23:27] <Rocket2DMn> how do we know
[23:28] <dsas_> gnome-user-docs is the source package of gnome2-user-guide, the problem is either with that or with yelp
[23:28] <Rocket2DMn> how did you find that out?
[23:28] <Rocket2DMn> gnome2-user-guide isnt installed by default
[23:29] <Rocket2DMn> only gnome-user-guide
[23:29] <Rocket2DMn> man after 2 years i have yet to figure this packaging stuff out...
[23:30] <dsas_> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/gnome-user-guide
[23:30] <dsas_> at the bottom it says the source package.
[23:30] <dsas_> I think they renamed it from gnome2-user-guide to gnome-user-guide at some stage.
[23:32] <Rocket2DMn> how did you navigate to that page exactly?
[23:33] <Rocket2DMn> looks liek they replaced it after gutsy btw
[23:33] <dsas_> I searched for gnome-user-guide
[23:34] <dsas_> or something
[23:34] <Rocket2DMn> ok, thanks
[23:34] <dsas_> I tend to search or hack the URLs, browsing LP is a pita
[23:35] <dsas_> dean@flik:/usr/share/gnome/help$ xmllint --noout --xinclude --noent --postvalid user-guide/C/gospanel.xml
[23:35] <dsas_> validity error : no DTD found!
[23:35] <dsas_> Document user-guide/C/gospanel.xml does not validate
[23:35] <dsas_> that is the correct file right2?
[23:36] <Rocket2DMn> gosoverview.xml
[23:37] <Shane_Fagan> DougieRichardson:  So have you reviewed my patch?
[23:37] <dsas_> oh gah, I get validation errors all over that directory, user-guide.xml is the root of it
[23:38] <dsas_> doesn't seem right, as I can view most of it in yelp
[23:38]  * dsas_ is confused
[23:40] <DougieRichardson> Its in one of the files it links to - one sec I think I see it
[23:41] <Rocket2DMn> ok thanks dsas_ , i'll backtrace yelp later for that
[23:41] <Rocket2DMn> gotta get food right now though
[23:45] <DougieRichardson> dsas_:there's an anchor and title tag transposed - just looking for them
[23:55] <dsas_> hmm, just noticed my name is listed as an author of user-guide/C/user-guide.xml I don't remember adding that
[23:59] <DougieRichardson> lol


[00:07] <metasansana> So is this a cause for concern or am I missing something?
[18:34] <FernandoMiguel> hey


[19:58] <spandhe> mhayden: hey! I made a few changes to the IPv6 commit.. saw some issues earlier with a scenario with multiple NICs.. fixed that and updated the unittests.. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~shraddha-pandhe/cloud-init/cloud-init-ipv6-support/revision/1036 and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~shraddha-pandhe/cloud-init/cloud-init-ipv6-support/revision/1037
[19:59] <harlowja> more easily reviewable  @
[19:59] <harlowja> https://code.launchpad.net/~shraddha-pandhe/cloud-init/cloud-init-ipv6-support/+merge/242547
[20:00]  * mhayden ganders
[20:00] <harlowja> damn ubuntu format!
[20:00] <harlowja> lol
[20:00] <harlowja> someday we'll get off that
[20:01]  * mhayden crosses fingers for github one day ;)
[20:01] <mhayden> spandhe: i can't see anything problematic in those commits
[20:02] <mhayden> thanks for working on those
[20:03] <spandhe> mhayden: in rev 1035, on lines 87 and 88, there was an issue
[20:04] <spandhe> dev_name was used outside of the loop.. and that loop iterates over the interfaces..
[20:04] <spandhe> actually, not outside of the loop, but it wasn’t initialized..
[20:05] <mhayden> ah okay


[15:06] <akgraner> how do you sign wiki pages using<EMAIL_ADDRESS>does anyone here know?
[15:12] <cody-somerville> just put in the token and then save the page
[15:14] <akgraner> what do you mean by token..:-/
[15:14] <akgraner> I don't know all the jargon associated with wiki's..
[15:16] <akgraner> there is away use that with having to type [[name | wiki name]] to get the link.. but I am just not remembering how to do that..:-D
[15:16] <akgraner> that's all no worries.
[15:17] <cody-somerville> @@SIG@@ I think
[15:17] <cody-somerville> see the wiki help pages
[15:25] <inetpro> akgraner: perhaps you mean ~~~~ ? See: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Making_a_signature
[15:27] <akgraner> thanks.. that's what I needed..:-)  you all rock!!  Thank you!!!  :-D