[00:40] <lifeless> james_w: are you still up?
[00:46] <highvoltage> #ubuntu-devel is quite different when you're in a US timezone
[01:43] <kees> is initramfs-tools stuck in binary NEW?
[01:46] <kees> hm, no...
[01:46] <kees> is the publisher just being slow?
[01:49] <ScottK> Might have been affected by the LP downtime.
[07:02] <pitti> achiang: no, debian.tar.gz is created automatically, no need to fuss with that; you just need to apply the patch (quilt push -a) before building binaries
[07:09] <ricotz> pitti, good morning
[08:03] <ronc> hi devs
[08:04] <ronc> I just wanted to say that some man pages are not being updated since the early days of ubuntu
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <ronc> I was trying to browse in w3m the other day, but couldn't find the items that these websites told me... then wham! I found this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/w3m/+bug/525360
[08:06] <ronc> which is like crazy, man
[08:20] <pitti> cking: good morning
[08:21] <pitti> cking: wrt. bug 599352, does linux' suspend-to-disk use compression at all?
[08:24] <cking> pitti, as far as I know, there is no compression used in hibernation
[08:25] <cking> it just dumps the used pages + some meta data
[08:25] <pitti> cking: thanks
[10:26] <ev> Am I going insane or should md5sum /dev/sdb /dev/sdb produce identical results (all partitions are unmounted)?
[10:30] <soren> ev: Sounds like a reasonable assumption.
[10:31] <ev> yeah, I've got three usb disks that continuously produce different results.  I guess it must be a bad lot.
[10:31] <ev> soren: thanks
[10:31] <pitti> ev: do you see read errors in dmesg?
[10:31] <soren> ev: Have you had anything from sdb mounted since your last reboot? Perhaps there's some cache flushing going on that's massing things up.
[10:32] <ev> pitti: nope
[10:32] <ev> hmm
[10:56] <ricotz> pitti, could you please accept the docky sru upload? or is there something wrong? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/docky/+bug/579049
[10:57] <pitti> ricotz: I'm not doing SRU every day, just once a week or so (I'm not in platform this cycle)
[10:57] <cjwatson> I can have a look
[10:57] <pitti> ricotz: but I'll get to it this week, promised
[10:57] <ricotz> pitti, sorry, ok
[10:57] <ricotz> cjwatson, that would be great
[10:57] <cjwatson> I've been doing them intermittently, just haven't had time to completely keep up
[10:58] <cjwatson> oh, right, it's the one with an infinite number of bugs
[10:58]  * cjwatson watches queuediff DoS his firefox
[10:59] <ricotz> cjwatson, yes, there are quite some fixes
[10:59] <cjwatson> ricotz: is anyone working on getting this into maverick?  in general, fixes should go to maverick first
[11:00] <ricotz> cjwatson, yes, i requested an sync with debian/unstable
[11:00]  * cjwatson looks at the sync queue
[11:00] <ricotz> the packaging in debian/unstable isnt compatible with lucid anymore
[11:01] <cjwatson> ok, I'll process that
[11:01] <Laney> would be nice if someone could accept lhs2tex too
[11:02] <ricotz> Laney, you are always behind my back :P
[11:02] <Laney> I have my own SRUs in addition to yours!
[11:03] <ricotz> Laney, i know
[11:03] <Laney> :)
[11:04] <BlackZ> cjwatson: could you look at bug #600121 when you can ? we're waiting this sync for the ekiga merge, thanks!
[11:06] <cjwatson> oh dear, I should go back to hiding, now everyone wants a piece
[11:07] <BlackZ> heh
[11:07] <Laney> the joys of archive adminship
[11:08] <Laney> did something happen wrt sparc very recently? I see that glib2.0 has no build record there
[11:08] <cjwatson> not that I know of ...
[11:10] <Laney> oh, no it hasn't in the previous uploads either
[11:10] <cjwatson> ISTR lamont killed glib2.0 on sparc because it had a habit of killing the buildd
[11:11] <Laney> ok then, I won't worry about knock-on failures
[11:12] <ricotz> do built packages need to be accepted manually like https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4:4.7.0~beta1+git20100706-0ubuntu1 ?
[11:13] <Laney> new binaries or source packages do
[11:13] <cjwatson> ricotz: docky done (maverick and lucid-proposed)
[11:13] <ricotz> cjwatson, thank you!!!
[11:14] <cjwatson> BlackZ: opal done
[11:14] <BlackZ> cjwatson: thanks
[11:18] <cjwatson> ricotz: qt> I'd like to accept all architectures at once if possible, to minimise the chance of build failures due to them being out of sync
[11:21] <ricotz> cjwatson, ok, so this will take some time then, currently it breaks my ia32lib build in xorgedgers
[11:23] <cjwatson> Laney: lhs2tex done
[11:23] <cjwatson> ricotz: hopefully not too long - I've scored it up on the other architectures
[11:23] <cjwatson> they should start very shortly
[11:25] <ricotz> cjwatson, ok
[11:25] <Laney> thanks
[11:25] <Laney> the FP lab will appreciate it
[11:25] <cjwatson> FP lab?
[11:26] <Laney> my research group
[11:27] <cjwatson> ah, right
[11:58] <mdz> mvo: is there a way to test a lucid->maverick upgrade of a real system in a sandbox?
[11:59] <mdz> I remember you'd worked on some tools to do that in the past
[11:59] <soren> mdz: update-manager has a -s option: "-s, --sandbox         Test upgrade with a sandbox aufs overlay"
[12:00] <mdz> soren: do you know if it works in lucid?
[12:01] <dholbach> or just check out http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/2010-07-06-15:03:01/ ;-)
[12:01] <soren> mdz: Nope, never used it. The option is available on Lucid, though.
[12:01]  * mdz notices --sandbox isn't documented on the man page, and prepares a branch
[12:12] <mdz> soren, mvo: it seems to have hosed my system pretty badly ("command not found: ls" and such)
[12:13] <mdz> seems to be getting EPERM on everything
[12:19] <mvo> mdz: a reboot should cure it
[12:19] <mdz> mvo: it has
[12:19] <mvo> mdz: all changes are in /tmp, but it can take a bit until tmp is cleared
[12:20] <mdz> mvo: my /tmp is tmpfs
[12:20] <mvo> mdz: hrm, hrm, sorry for the trouble, the code should check that
[12:20] <mdz> which is why the upgrade failed early (lack of disk space in /tmp)
[12:20] <mdz> is it possible to set an alternative location for the sandbox?
[12:22] <mvo> mdz: it uses tempfile.mkdtemp(), so it should honor TMPDIR in the environment
[12:23] <mdz> mvo: ok, thanks
[12:23] <mvo> mdz let me know how it goes
[12:23] <mdz> mvo: having a non-functional $PATH will make it difficult to monitor the upgrade, which is a pain because I'm trying to reproduce a kernel bug
[12:24] <mdz> mvo: (the disk free space was correctly checked, that worked fine. it's just that my system was still non-functional after the upgrade was canceled)
[12:24] <mvo> a kernel bug that happens on upgrade
[12:24] <mvo> ?
[12:25] <mdz> mvo: yes
[12:25] <mvo> mdz: the --sandbox option did not got a lot of love because aufs is not really suitable for the workload. this is why its a bit bumpy
[12:25] <mdz> bug 602261
[12:26] <mdz> rickspencer3 saw this as well
[12:26]  * mvo looks
[12:26] <mdz> I thought it was related to apparmor, but apw suspects it may be ext4
[12:26] <mvo> mdz: is it only reproducable on real HW?
[12:26] <mvo> otherwise the auto-upgrade-tester may be helpful
[12:27] <mdz> mvo: I don't know
[12:27] <apw> certainly there are reports of jdb2 being stuck running for over 2 minutes which is abnormal
[12:28] <mvo> mdz: http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/current/ shows that a server upgrade (minimal server) is about 10min, ubuntu 30min, so total runtime seems to be not a good indicator
[12:29] <mdz> mvo: I suspect it may be related to any/all of a) running processes (i.e. a normal user session), b) replacing apparmor profiles, or c) the idle I/O scheduler (ionice -c3)
[12:30] <mdz> maybe even a combination of them
[12:30]  * mvo nods
[12:31] <mvo> I can create a auto-login profile so that there is a normal session
[12:33] <mdz> apw: interestingly, doing a big dd on this system doesn't bog it down like it does my laptop
[12:33] <mdz> though both are ext4
[12:33] <mdz> this one has a faster disk and less memory
[12:33] <mdz> and is 32-bit
[12:33] <apw> mdz i wonder why that would be, less memory?
[12:33] <mdz> (while the other is 64)
[12:34] <apw> 32bit does have an effect on the kernel memory size
[12:34] <mdz> apw: I get very high CPU utilization (system) and very low I/O wait
[12:34] <mdz> flush-8:16 is the active thread
[12:35] <mdz> on the other system I believe I get high I/O wait
[12:37] <apw> hrm ... i use 64 bit quite a bit and have done an upgrade there without issue (lucid -> maverick)
[13:06] <psurbhi> i wanted to know where I could pick the latest unreleased (or in development) mdadm source package for maverick. Is there a bzr repository for mdadm? where would that be?
[13:07] <Keybuk> psurbhi: we don't really have unreleased/in development repos like that
[13:07] <Keybuk> the latest version is generally just in the archive
[13:08] <Keybuk> if there's a bzr branch, it's possibly lp:ubuntu/mdadm
[13:08] <psurbhi> ok, i checked that.. no bzr branch then. So does it mean that apt-get source mdadm is the latest mdadm package?
[13:09] <amitk> psurbhi: 'rmadison mdadm'
[13:10] <psurbhi> amitk, Keybuk, thanks
[13:10] <Keybuk> psurbhi: yup
[13:10] <psurbhi> ok
[14:27] <LucidFox> I think for the next year's April Fools, I'm going to blog about Ubuntu Genuine Advantage.
[14:27] <LucidFox> With fake activation screens and everything.
[14:30] <mdz> mvo_: /var/log/dist-upgrade/term.log suddenly stopped (in the middle of a line), but the upgrade is continuing to run
[14:30] <mdz> plenty of disk space, no obvious problem
[14:31] <mvo_> oh
[14:31] <mvo_> odd, anything from strace?
[14:32] <mdz> mvo_: it's as if a buffer isn't getting flushed somewhere
[14:32] <mvo_> that is insndbox mode? or nomal?
[14:32] <soren> LucidFox: http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/
[14:32] <mdz> mvo_: normal
[14:32] <mdz> mvo_: strace of the maverick process shows write(11, "pmstatus:ure:70.6563:Installed u"..., 35
[14:33] <mvo_> mdz: ok, that looks normal
[14:33] <LucidFox> "According to an independent study conducted by some scientists, many users of Linux are running non-Genuine versions of their operating system. This puts them at the disadvantage of having their computers work normally, without periodically phoning home unannounced to see if it's OK for their computer to continue functioning."
[14:33] <LucidFox> Yeah, that's WGA in a nutshell
[14:33] <mvo_> mdz: do you have apt-term as well? and if so, is that keep getting updated?
[14:33] <mdz> mvo_: but there is no activity in strace even though dpkg is completing more operations
[14:33] <mdz> mvo_: I have a tail -f running on /var/log/dist-upgrade/*.log and nothing is changing
[14:33] <mdz> mvo_: the terminal window is not updating either
[14:34] <mdz> (the one inside the upgrader)
[14:34] <soren> LucidFox: LGA doesn't work with upstart, though.
[14:34] <LucidFox> Hmmmm *scribble scribble*
[14:34] <LucidFox> soren> You know...
[14:35] <LucidFox> Now I'm actually tempted to write an actual GUI system for Ubuntu mimicking WGA. Deliberately easily circumventable, of course
[14:35] <soren> LucidFox: sorry :)
[14:35] <mdz> mvo_: hmm, it just dumped about 2k of text into term.log and apt-term.log, all at once, and then stopped again
[14:35] <LucidFox> Sorry? :)
[14:35] <mdz> definitely some buffering issue
[14:35] <soren> LucidFox: Yeah, didn't mean to get you motivated on.. um.. slightly less than useful things :)
[14:36] <mdz> mvo_: I've emailed you the logs
[14:36] <LucidFox> Hah
[14:36] <mvo_> mdz: thanks, I'm working on the code currently (to port to the latest python-apt 0.8 api), that is going to be interessting :)
[14:37] <mvo_> mdz: it looks like there are some issues in p-apt itself, nothing too scary so far fortunately, all easily work-aroundable
[14:40] <mdz> mvo_: there seem to be two upgrader processes, and the child is blocking writing to the pipe to the parent
[14:41] <mdz> mvo_: two things look weird to me: 1) the parent still has both ends of the pipe open, and 2) the parent is polling but it doesn't seem to be polling this FD
[14:41] <mvo_> mdz: thanks, got the logs.
[14:42] <mvo_> mdz: which frontend did you use? text? gtk? I will try to reproduce in a vm
[14:42] <mdz> mvo_: GTK
[15:12] <tseliot> cjwatson: do you have news on bug #258486?
[15:13] <cjwatson> tseliot: no, sorry - please check with ev though
[15:13] <cjwatson> I've not been doing much on ubiquity this cycle
[15:14] <cjwatson> and he's reworking jockey handling anyway, iirc
[15:14] <tseliot> cjwatson: yes, that's why I asked but I was looking for "evand" not "ev". Thanks
[15:19] <kirkland> pitti: howdy, around?
[15:19] <pitti> kirkland: hey, how are you? I'm in the OEM meeting, but otherwise here, yes
[15:20] <kirkland> pitti: awesome, i'm okay ...  i just realized a libvirt SRU that has slipped through the cracks for me for ~1 month: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/multipath-tools/+bug/571093
[15:20] <kirkland> pitti: it needed a minor version change in the upload;  i just re-uploaded that to lucid-proposed
[15:21] <kirkland> pitti: i just wanted to make sure the other end didn't slip through the cracks too :-)
[15:21] <pitti> kirkland: ah, thanks; I'll have a look at it
[15:22] <kirkland> pitti: cheers, mate
[15:23] <ev> tseliot: you're seeing something like this on Maverick?
[15:24] <ev> Intrepid was a long time ago :)
[15:25] <tseliot> ev: I haven't tried with Maverick yet. The problem can be reproduced in Lucid though
[15:25] <tseliot> and this makes it more recent ;)
[15:25] <ev> interesting
[15:26] <tseliot> ev: basically xorg.conf remains there but the packages don't
[15:26] <tseliot> but I guess that's already in the report
[15:27] <ev> indeed, I'm quite surprised we haven't heard more people screaming about this
[15:27] <ev> I've bumped the priority and assigned it to myself
[15:29] <tseliot> ev: thanks. Let me know if you need any help for debugging, etc.
[15:30] <ev> sure thing
[15:36] <mdz> mvo_: I sent you a merge request with a  couple of small update-manager fixes I did while looking at this problem
[15:38] <mvo_> thanks mdz
[15:39] <mvo_> merged
[15:39] <mdz> mvo_: one is a documentation fix, the other is a one-line code change (untested but trivial)
[15:47] <apw> cjwatson, the grub boot sexification, are we keeping X on VT7 ?
[15:50] <bankix> Hello.
[15:51] <bankix> I'm currently customizing Lucid, but however I'm unable to find out which file is responsible for the little ubuntu logo in the upper left corner of the gnome panel. Could you give me a pointer?
[15:57] <pitti> wgrant: hey, how are you?
[15:57] <pitti> lamont, wgrant: do you happen to know the current state of native soyuz ddeb support?
[15:59] <lamont> pitti: nfc
[15:59] <a_ok> I still seem to have the problem that looks a lot like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/546964 . I am using an Intel ET Nic and I have confirmed that the igb.ko driver is in the initrd image
[16:01] <cjwatson> apw: yes
[16:01] <a_ok> I am using the stable 10.4 release by the way and the latest initramfs-tools seems to be the one that comes with it (0.92ubuntu78)
[16:01] <cjwatson> (to the best of my knowledge)
[16:02] <ogra> apw, sexification ? will it be male or female after that ?
[16:03] <apw> cjwatson, the kernel patches as were break VTs basically for good.  we really want the special functionality to remain only till we are on VT7 and settled in, i am thinking a VT switch may be the correct trigger to return normal behviour
[16:03] <apw> then if you fiddle manually mid-boot you get the normal behaviour too
[16:03] <a_ok> this is the exact error I get when trying to boot http://pastebin.com/3UXhaPKu
[16:04] <cjwatson> apw: breaking VT switching definitely isn't on
[16:04] <cjwatson> apw: remember that server boots won't have a VT switch but will have plymouth and the grub splash, though
[16:04] <cjwatson> apw: so I'm not sure that's the right trigger
[16:05] <apw> cjwatson, hrm, then i suspect i will need to be told you are clear
[16:05] <cjwatson> apw: how about plymouth's switch to KD_TEXT?
[16:05] <cjwatson> that seems like a good indicator
[16:05] <apw> cjwatson, i presume it only does that on non-desktop
[16:05] <apw> oh perhaps also on timeout ?
[16:05] <cjwatson> we always switch back to KD_TEXT at some point, even if it's only when people do ctrl-alt-f1 fromX
[16:06] <a_ok> is there a way I can get some more information on what goes wrong?
[16:06] <apw> cjwatson, well no you don't change mode then you change which vt is displayed which is in a different mode
[16:07] <apw> cjwatson, anyhow i am getting ahead.  i suspect a switch from graphics mode to text within a VT or switching VT should trigger normality
[16:07] <apw> i thin
[16:07] <apw> i think
[16:07] <cjwatson> that seems fair
[16:07] <cjwatson> apw: vt1 is switched to KD_TEXT even on desktop boots, I believe
[16:07] <cjwatson> bloody well ought to be anyway
[16:07] <apw> once i figure out why vt2 ->6 are all full of vomit of course i can smarten things up
[16:08] <apw> cjwatson, so can you tell me when we switch to vt7 and which thing plymouth is on, i thought it was on vt7
[16:09] <cjwatson> plymouth is on vt1
[16:10] <cjwatson> we switch to vt7 when X starts
[16:10] <apw> cjwatson, so if we vt switch to the same contents that is scemeless ?
[16:10] <apw> visually ?
[16:11] <apw> ie. plymouth maks vt1 purple, x starts on vt7 and copies the contents over, then vt switches ?
[16:11] <cjwatson> X is *supposed* to take care of that; it didn't seem to quite work in my video but I am deliberately not caring about that
[16:12] <apw> cjwatson, i suspect that as you said you don't have KMS therefore you cannot do a seemless cut
[16:12] <apw> i will get this heap installed on some kms h/w and see what happens there
[16:12] <pitti> kirkland: do you know the status of bug 566792 in maverick: the SRU is ready for -updates, but I won't as long as it's not yet fixed in maverick
[16:12] <YokoZar> pitti: you probably don't need to copy the SRUed ia32-libs to maverick, as it needs to be freshly generated there to get the maverick versions of the libs
[16:12] <pitti> kirkland: (or at least committed to bzr)
[16:12] <apw> cjwatson, what do you use to take the video of the VM ?
[16:12] <cjwatson> apw: gtk-recordmydesktop
[16:12] <pitti> YokoZar: right, but as long as nobody does that, copying the SRU is better than nothing
[16:13] <cjwatson> apw: by way of scoping I'm intentionally only caring about the period until plymouth comes up
[16:13] <kirkland> Daviey: you've been managing that one ... can you tell us if that code has been applied to maverick?
[16:13] <YokoZar> pitti: I suppose that somebody is supposed to be me.  Is there any movement on multiarch at all in maverick (and thus things that can be dropped from ia32-libs?)
[16:13]  * Daviey reads
[16:13] <kirkland> Daviey: i suspect it has, in the course of your regular weekly Eucalyptus merges
[16:13] <apw> cjwatson, yeah, but sadly i have to care thorugh KMS to make sure i am not breaking that by munching the kernel
[16:13] <kirkland> Daviey: can you check?
[16:13] <cjwatson> apw: ah, fair enough
[16:14] <pitti> YokoZar: no, I didn't mean "you" in particular
[16:14] <YokoZar> pitti: I know that, but I usually do the ia32-libs uploads ;)
[16:14] <pitti> YokoZar: I don't know about the multiarch plan, I'm afraid
[16:14] <Daviey> pitti, Ah.. yes.. -> PM
[16:14] <pitti> YokoZar: it's much faster to do in the DC, though
[16:16] <YokoZar> slangasek might know about multiarch
[16:17] <slangasek> step 1) fix dpkg
[16:29] <pitti> is it just me, or is LP very slow today? (including launchpadlib)
[16:30] <apw> pitti, it was upgraded to a nice shiney version last night i think
[16:30] <sebner> apw: shiny = b0rken? :P
[16:30] <pitti> they forgot to take out the sleep() debugging statements?
[16:30] <sebner> pitti: agreed, slowwww
[16:31] <apw> pitti, it does feel slow, but i am not sure if its more excruciatingly slow than normal
[16:31] <apw> i already want to poke my own eyes out
[16:31] <YokoZar> does anyone know if the new SFTP for PPAs can be done for normal uploads?
[16:31] <YokoZar> to the main repository
[16:31] <Laney> yes
[16:32] <Laney> you have to set incoming to ubuntu, or so geser told me
[16:32] <pitti> apw: it's even slow with the CLI tools on cocoplum, so I guess it's real
[16:32] <YokoZar> Laney: and presumably modify /etc/dput.cf manually
[16:33] <Laney> right
[16:33] <apw> pitti, i am usng edge of course, so my milage is different
[16:33] <pitti> apw: same here
[16:33] <pitti> there, all SRU queues emtpy (except for some disputed uploads)
[16:33] <geser> YokoZar: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/460266/ for my ~/.dput.cf for SFTP uploads
[16:34] <apw> pitti, heh the kernel per
[16:34] <apw> perhaps ?
[16:34] <pitti> that (karmic), and sane
[16:34] <YokoZar> geser: thanks
[16:34] <apw> yep, thats the one
[16:34] <YokoZar> geser: (I need sftp to upload ia32-libs from home otherwise my internet connection hangs forever)
[16:38] <arulalan> Dear All, i have a doubt. How can i write graphics program in GCC. I googled , but cant get good link for this
[16:39] <arulalan> i cant post this query in #gcc. it says ' Cannot send to channel'
[16:52] <Chipzz> arulalan: this is not a good question for this channel; but either way, you don't specify what kind of graphics program you want to write (ie plain OpenGL, Gtk+, Qt...)
[16:54] <Chipzz> arulalan: and if you can't send to the channel, there's probably a very good reason for it (like the channel being moderated); read the topic, it most likely has further instructions (and this goes for any channel, including this one; if you would have read the topic, you would have known your question wasn't appropriate here)
[16:56] <arulalan> Chipzz: Ok sir. i need to write a program using graphics.h header file like turboc. is opengl right choice ?
[17:01] <Chipzz> arulalan: again, your question is not appropriate here. also, a quick google for graphics.h shows a lot of different projects (quite expectable with such a filename) so your question is ambigous
[17:01] <Chipzz> but again, this is not the right place to ask.
[17:02] <apw> cjwatson, http://people.canonical.com/~apw/misc/fbcon-handoff.ogv <-- video from my latest test kernel
[17:02] <Chipzz> but if graphics.h refers to sth like VGA/SVGA drawing, the closest thing on linux is SDL I would say
[17:04] <apw> arulalan, normally you can't send to a channel if you arn't registered as owning that nick
[17:16] <cjwatson> apw: not bad
[17:16] <apw> cjwatson, note the cursor only appears when the debugging printk's come out, and they are at KERN_EMERG
[17:19] <cjwatson> incidentally, with this, does the console subsystem start in KD_GRAPHICS or KD_TEXT?
[17:26] <dupondje> Riddell: I did build imagemagick from debian, and those are the depds:  Depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.11), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgomp1 (>= 4.2.1), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libjasper1 (>= 1.900.1), libjpeg62, liblcms1 (>= 1.15-1), liblqr-1-0 (>= 0.1.0), libltdl7 (>= 2.2.6b), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libsm6, libtiff4, libx11-6, libxext6, libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg)
[17:26] <Riddell> dupondje: no librsvg?
[17:26] <dupondje> Riddell: nope
[17:27] <dupondje>  Package: libmagickcore3
[17:27] <Riddell> dupondje: something must depend on it though surely?
[17:35] <dupondje> Riddell: libmagickcore3-extra and libmagickcore-dev depend on librsvg2-dev,
[17:35] <dupondje> libmagickcore3-extra on librsvg2-2, libmagickcore-dev depend on librsvg2-dev
[17:35] <Riddell> dupondje: that seems fine then
[17:36] <dupondje> true :) can you give it a sync ? :)
[17:38] <Riddell> dupondje: what about liblqr-1-0-dev ?
[17:40] <dupondje> Riddell: it was dropped because it wasn't in main, but now it is
[17:41] <Riddell> dupondje: groovy
[17:41] <Riddell> dupondje: synced
[17:44] <dupondje> sweet :)
[17:59] <LucidFox> Any chance I could get the Liferea messaging indicator patch reviewed before the heat death of the universe? It's been waiting on LP for two months now and none of the core-devs even acknowledged its existence in the bugreport
[18:00] <nigelb> vish: poke!
[18:00] <vish> nigelb: here? me? o.0
[18:00] <nigelb> vish: ^^ I think thats something ayatana could look at
[18:01] <nigelb> LucidFox wrote this awesome patch to get indicator working with liferea, which we use via ppa for now
[18:01] <vish> LucidFox: tried #ayatana  ?
[18:01] <LucidFox> I did, nobody replied there either
[18:01] <vish> i think tedg already had a patch for that.
[18:02] <LucidFox> Where? It's not on LP
[18:02] <LucidFox> My patch was all over the news, got talked about on Omg! Ubuntu, and I've never seen any other one in a public place. Definitely not on LP, at least
[18:04] <vish> LucidFox: bug #  , tedg/kenvandine are probably the best people to review it?
[18:04] <vish> LucidFox: its attached to a bug? or just a branch?
[18:04] <LucidFox> bug #540490
[18:05] <nigelb> g63
[18:05] <nigelb> grr
[18:05] <nigelb> window fail again
[18:06] <vish> LucidFox: tedg seems absent today .. :(
[18:07] <nigelb> isn't there a tag for it?
[18:07] <vish> yeah , there is
[18:07] <vish> LucidFox: if no response , jcastro is the next best person who can be poked :)
[18:10] <kenvandine> tedhave you looked at that?
[18:11] <kenvandine> whoops
[18:11] <kenvandine> tedg isn't here :)
[18:11] <kenvandine> LucidFox, ping tedg in #ayatana
[18:14] <vish> kenvandine: thanks  :)
[18:15] <vish> kenvandine: seems LucidFox has been asking about that for a while and no one has responded..
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> So I've added a few PPAs via software-properties, but they do not seem to be showing up in software-center, and the origin as provided by libapt-pkg is empty. Any APT expert have any idea what could cause that?
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> One hint that I have is that while adding the PPA, the lookup for keyserver.ubuntu.com fails, but I don't know if that would make apt not see the origin...
[18:31] <LucidFox> I wonder, how does bash tab completion know when to unwrap to .dsc, when to .changes, and the like?
[18:31] <LucidFox> I noticed that it always tab-completes to .dsc with pbuilder-dist, and to .changes with dput
[18:31] <pitti> LucidFox: you can't upload (dput) a .dsc
[18:31] <pitti> LucidFox: and likewise you can't unpack (dpkg-source -x) a .changes, only a .dsc
[18:31] <pitti> so it's quite obvious
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> dput installs a file for the bash autocomplete to use: /etc/bash_completion.d/dput
[18:31] <pitti> likewise dpkg -i expands in *.deb
[18:31] <geser> LucidFox: it's context-sensitive (i.e. command specific)
[18:31] <LucidFox> I know, but how does bash know which file to tab-complete t-- oh
[18:32] <pitti> ah, yes; completion.d/ rules
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> I imagine the other CLI tools do similar things
[18:33] <mvo_> JontheEchidna: the missing authentication keys for the ppa are most likely the problem
[18:33] <mvo_> JontheEchidna: if you add them the origins should become visible
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> mvo_: ok, neat. thanks
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> Is there a way to manually add the keys without the keyserver.ubuntu.com lookup?
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> oh, the PPA page gives the key, nevermind :)
[18:34] <mvo_> you can manually grab them from launchpad
[18:35] <mvo_> but that is a bit cumbersome
[18:35] <mvo_> is keyserver.u.c timeing out for you?
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> for both software-properties and add-apt-repository, yes
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> the web interface seems to be working though
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> well, the import seems to be working now :)
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> must have fixed itself while I was at lunch
[18:39] <bigon> dhcp 4 is now in debian unstable, any plan to switch to this version for maverick?
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> mvo_: yeah, it's all fine now. Origin and origin labels showing up as expected :)
[18:45] <mvo_> cool
[18:47] <shadeslayer> jcastro: thanks :D
[20:22] <td123> does anyone know where I can get the source to the mentioned fixed package all the way at the bottom of https://bugs.launchpad.net/do/+bug/591998 ? I'm mainly interested in the patch they applied to fix this bug
[20:23] <Laney> td123: you better talk to the gnome do developers
[20:24] <td123> Laney: it's an ibus issue btw :)
[22:50] <apachelogger> lex79: you might want to consider backporting my superior desktop file patch in kde4libs to the PPA, should improve performance quite a bit, especially combined with latest pkg-kde-tools
[22:55] <apachelogger> neversfelde: bug 528259 is on your todo?
[22:57] <bdrung> to which mailing list can i send legal questions?
[22:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: in case I forget, I booted cia off kubuntu-devel for now, to revert that just set the basic filtering to custom again :)
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: kk, I was about to message you about noise pollution in that regard, actually :P
[23:01] <geser> bdrung: I'd probably try debian-legal as both Debian and Ubuntu share a great part of a common understanding in licenses
[23:02] <geser> bdrung: and if the questions is very Ubuntu specific, I'd probably mail the TB
[23:02] <bdrung> geser: it's not a license problem. it's a problem with laws.
[23:02] <geser> in what way? can you be more specific?
[23:03] <bdrung> geser: then i mail the TB. i want an answer to the question why libdvdcss2 is not in the archive. i found no answer on the web.
[23:03] <maxwellian> Oh man, I forgot about Kubuntu tutorials day!
[23:03] <apachelogger> interesting, apparently one can only decline nominations for all packages, despite affected status -.-
[23:03] <Riddell> maxwellian: still going on
[23:04] <apachelogger> yeah, you hijacked my doctor who fan talk channel -.-
[23:04] <maxwellian> Awesome. :)  I wanted to see the packaging one, but I think I missed it.  Anyway, thanks.
[23:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: don't blink! :P
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> not the angels!
[23:04] <apachelogger> in that case...
[23:04] <apachelogger> can anyone here the drums? ;)
[23:05] <apachelogger> s/here/hear
[23:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: muon build fails horribly if debconf stuff is not there :/
[23:12] <lex79> apachelogger: iirc the latest pkg-kde-tools needs the latest dpkg :)
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: don't I have a cmake check for that now?
[23:12] <apachelogger> I really think a find script would be good there :/
[23:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah, just that it will fall because the file is not there
[23:12] <lex79> but I will backport your patch
[23:12] <apachelogger> which is not a good error message :/
[23:13] <apachelogger> lex79: well, you can backport my changes to pkg-kde-tools ;)
[23:13] <apachelogger> lex79: you only need to take the cdbs bits I suppose
[23:13] <lex79> kk
[23:13] <lex79> I have to redo kdelibs, they uploaded the wrong tarballs
[23:13] <lex79> bah
[23:13] <lex79> 4.5.60 instead of 4.4.92
[23:14] <apachelogger> that is because dirk is using a custom rip off of markey's amarok release script, instead of using my superior rewrite
[23:14] <Riddell> dirk messed up?
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I will also have to talk to dantti about libdebconf-kde, it currently does not installed a versioned .so, so dh_shlibdeps isn't picking it up as a dependency
[23:15] <lex79> Riddell: he already fixed in ktown, me not yet :)
[23:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: it rarely happens I have been told :)
[23:16] <geser> bdrung: I guess mailing the TB is the best plan. They can forward this to the Canonical lawyer if necessary. I've only found a thread from 2006 but with no clear answer.
[23:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: updating muon is quite the adventure with all those deps ^^
[23:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: search is the broken
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> orly?
[23:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: search for linux -> does not yield linux-* stuff
[23:16] <bdrung> geser: the mail is sent to the TB. let's wait for the results.
[23:16] <Riddell> bdrung: the letterws DCMA would be the reason
[23:17] <Riddell> although ordered as DMCA :)
[23:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: search for linux-image works though
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it might be that linux-* is below the quality cutoff for "linux" search term
[23:18]  * apachelogger finds that unhandy
[23:18] <apachelogger> oh, while I am at it
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> e.g. other package names/descriptions contain "linux" to place "linux-" below the threshold
[23:18] <apachelogger> what would be cool is to have a button "nuke all old kernels" ^^
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> since "linux" is a more exact match
[23:19] <apachelogger> with such a button I would not mind linux not matching linux-image ;)
[23:19] <geser> Riddell: but wouldn't this only prevent it from entering main/universe? e.g. the DMCA doesn't apply (yet) to Europe (but they might be other laws in Europe that prevent the legal use there)
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> I usually search for "2.6.35" or whatever
[23:19] <apachelogger> even though that is the most appropraite package really :P
[23:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, I had a billion billion kernels installed, as noticed earlier
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:20] <apachelogger> spanning across various versions of course
[23:20]  * apachelogger missed mass marking for action on that occasion too :)
[23:20] <Riddell> geser: main and universe are mirrored in the US, and in Europe the Copyright Directive 2001/29/EC makes it illegal here too
[23:21] <bdrung> Riddell: it's in the gray zone in europe.
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oh oh, try marking the package "gnome" for install :D
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: are you in maverick?
[23:22] <apachelogger> no
[23:22]  * apachelogger needs to do serious development for master Riddell :P
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> I'll have to show you then ^.^
[23:22] <apachelogger> must not have my system broken by lex79 uploading something funny :P
[23:22]  * apachelogger hugs lex79
[23:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: pretty please :)
[23:22] <Riddell> bdrung: Copyright Directive 2001/29/EC is pretty clear
[23:22] <lex79> my stuff is always good
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopv18355-jpg.jpg <- apt-get has the same error, so it's not muon. I suppose I should file a bug
[23:23] <geser> Riddell: does it imply that if a package is illegal in one country with an Ubuntu mirror, it can't be included in main/universe at all?
[23:23] <Riddell> geser: in a country where canonical has an office yes
[23:24] <Riddell> where there's a serious likelyhood of canonical getting sued it won't go in the archive
[23:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah sure, like you couldnt sell this as killer feature :P
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> :P
[23:24]  * apachelogger would buy a product that prevented him from having a billion billion kernels ;)
[23:24] <apachelogger> oh, and associated headers \o/
[23:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: marking foo as purge, where bar depends on foo, will mark bar as remove - IMHO logical assumption should be that bar ought to be purged too (though I suppose a dialog presenting additional changes with a tick box for purging would be best either way)
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> hrm, recursive purge
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> I'd probably have to set an apt setting or something
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> because when you hit that button, you're really only telling that package to purge, then apt takes care of dependencies and you have no say in what it does
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> kinda sucks
[23:28] <apachelogger> meh
[23:28] <apachelogger> more interesting: http://imagebin.ca/view/sbgYh6V.html
[23:29] <apachelogger> can not help but noticing that it orders 19 < 22 < 23 < 20 < 21 < 16
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> that is a lot of headers
[23:29] <apachelogger> that is an interesting way of seeing the world really :)
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> that is some compression: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopa18355-jpg.jpg
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> (download size vs install size)
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> apt-get agrees, but I had to check to make sure it wasn't a bug :P
[23:33] <apachelogger> imagine if that was all lzma ^^
[23:34] <apachelogger> 3mib vs. 1.2 gib :P
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> :P
[23:34]  * JontheEchidna uses the fancy undo button
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> undo only goes back 20 actions, tho.
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> to save ur RAMz
[23:36] <apachelogger> hm
[23:36] <apachelogger> manually swap it
[23:36] <apachelogger> that way you can go across sessions
[23:36] <apachelogger> imagine that!
[23:37] <apachelogger> you go install foo
[23:37] <apachelogger> test foo
[23:37] <apachelogger> dont like it
[23:37] <apachelogger> open muon again
[23:37] <apachelogger> press undo
[23:37] <apachelogger> and voila!
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> undo gets lost after commit
[23:37] <apachelogger> that would be brilliant I think
[23:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, manually rebuild it ;
[23:37] <apachelogger> )
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> but a history log is definitely a good idea
[23:38] <apachelogger> if you log it you can go the extra mile and store it in a format that can be reused for cross session undo ;)
[23:39]  * apachelogger wishes he had a timey wimey detector just to be a bit cooler :/
[23:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: suggestions on bug 554514 ?
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> abandon all hope -> close
[23:46] <apachelogger> other than setting it on fire and run while we can
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> heh
[23:46] <apachelogger> :/
[23:46] <apachelogger> akonadi trunk is a whole different code base -.-
[23:46] <apachelogger> there is not even hope to get that stuff fixed
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> we could start a role playing game where we pose as various different animals and the reportees have to guess which animal we are
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> *reporters
[23:47] <apachelogger> rofl
[23:47] <kees> can an archive admin take a look at the -7 kernel binaries in NEW?
[23:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so, how do I bring this news to the reports without getting shot? there are 41 people affected, which is mostly because that bug is as inprecise as they get :/
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: bribe an LP admin to silently delete it? :P (just kidding)
[23:50] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: appmenu in action: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/appmenu1.jpeg
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> oh lovely, it has icons and shortcuts now. (It didn't at UDS)
[23:50] <apachelogger> "due to ethic believes I must not do certain things to dead people, animals or inspects"
[23:51] <apachelogger> s/inspects/insects
[23:51]  * apachelogger really should get more sleep
[23:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: I wonder how that goes under load
[23:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: That's on my netbook, so everythin is always under load it seems.  Not too bad so far.
[23:52] <apachelogger> k
[23:52] <ScottK> Just started playing with it today though.
[23:53] <apachelogger> dbusmenu has some oddish issues when it comes to high load situations, seeing that menus can have loads and loads of entries that is a bit of concern of mine
[23:56] <apachelogger> how kubuntu.org will look on fluffy http://imagebin.ca/view/V-aeXjgi.html \o/
[23:57] <lex79> lol
[23:58] <Riddell> we should just do that for stock kubuntu.org, would give us a new market niche
[23:59] <apachelogger> agreed


[05:05] <valorie> We do have #kubuntu-council on libera now
[05:06] <RikMills> a channel exists
[05:06] <valorie> yep, but basically only you and I there now
[05:07] <valorie> we need mparillo, santa_, wxl & yofel to move there
[05:07] <valorie> and tsimonq2
[05:07] <valorie> dunno who Oslander is?
[05:25]  * RikMills shrugs
[09:31] <mparillo> Thank you valorie. I tested -offtopic manually from konversation about 10-12 hours ago. Now I think I need to re-direct my KDE BNC configuration (I can only have one server at a time it seems in my KDE BNC configuration).
[13:30] <Mamarok_> weird, I do have both
[13:39] <RikMills> default is only one network allowed for the BNC. you have to ask KDE sysadmin to approve if you want more
[13:40] <RikMills> or it was when mine was set up
[16:42] <Mamarok_> I currently have both on my bnc.kde.org
[16:42] <Mamarok_> that was always available, didnt have to request anything
[16:47] <RikMills> Mamarok_: It certainly did not permit more than one network until recently. however my suspicion is you got your account before it was imposed, so skipped that setting
[16:49] <RikMills> mparillo obviously got their account in the period of tighter restrictions that I did
[18:06] <valorie> nicolas announced that he added another server for everyone on the kde bnc
[19:31] <RikMills> valorie: thanks. glad I didn't imagine we could have only one until now. would be annoyed if I had missed being able to as I would have added OFTC before this blew up
[19:32] <valorie> you could always ask the sysadmins to give you more but I never did
[19:33] <valorie> and have not set up my bnc for libera yet
[19:33] <valorie> running a meeting in f ew mins; one thing at a time
[19:36] <RikMills> valorie: yeah. I was always too lazy, and anything apart from freenode seemed a bit too frivolous to bother the sysadmins with (seeing I am only on 3 chans on OFTC)
[19:36] <valorie> same with linuxchix for me
[19:37] <valorie> altho lcx was my first IRC experience after Rootsweb
[19:37] <valorie> and where I met both nightrose and Mamarok_
[19:38] <valorie> both urged me to come here to FN
[19:38] <RikMills> glad they did
[19:38] <RikMills> now a new chapter


[01:02] <OerHeks> :-)
[01:02] <OerHeks> I tried, really tried, to add gmail to thunderbird and evolution..
[01:03] <Bashing-om> Oh ! That is not good .. If OerHeks can not do it, no one can .
[01:03] <OerHeks> i gave up.
[01:04] <OerHeks> somehowe gmaildoes not let me, evenin gmailpref
[01:04] <OerHeks> something changed, untrusted gmail apps selected, no go.
[01:16] <daftykins> the benefit of gmail to me is not having to touch a client :)
[01:17] <OerHeks> I know, i just wanted to add it to a client, so i can leave it 'open' and get notified...
[01:30] <daftykins> :)
[01:30] <daftykins> browser no good? i browse standard stuff in firefox but have chrome installed solely to view my gmail
[01:30] <OerHeks> nice, i just made a kubuntu usb, and by finishing i can start kvm
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:26] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> !winusb
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> cool, new factoid
[16:05] <daftykins> wow i wonder whose palms need greasing for that to get done
[16:05] <daftykins> !amd
[16:05] <daftykins> oh wow it got done
[16:05] <daftykins> shame the content is wrong


[17:07] <dubhdara> hello
[17:08] <dubhdara> got a question on ubuntu can i ask here or should i do it somewhere else


[00:00] <Dragnslcr> lordofthepigs- I only tried once or twice. It was easier to just let kwin start normally. I have hotkeys set to switch between them anyway
[00:01] <chimaera> hi, is the gstreamer engine depreciated for amarok.. i somehow can't find it..
[00:01] <billthefish> I'll ask again.. I'm running Kubuntu 7.10 on my other PC. About 10 minutes ago while using inkscape, my ps\2 Keyboard just completely stoped working.. I've checked the connection in the back of the PC and its good, rebooted and allows me to type my password.. but once loged in.. i can't get the Keyboard to do anything.. Anyone come across this issue? or know how to fix it?
[00:02] <lordofthepigs> what's the ccp plugin for compiz?
[00:04] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion . for more, ask in #compiz-fusion & see http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ | lordofthepigs: check the compiz wiki or channel
[00:16] <gnurph69> i'm having a problem with Konqueror - when I try to go to a web site, it makes the initial connection, then says it can't connect to the host with a post-pended "/."
[00:16] <gnurph69> any suggestions?
[00:17] <coreymon77> gnurph69: ya
[00:17] <coreymon77> gnurph69: use firefox
[00:18] <gnurph69> nice.
[00:29] <_Angelus_> i installed a dvdrom on my computer
[00:29] <_Angelus_> now my dvdwriter is not working
[00:29] <_Angelus_> :S
[00:29] <_Angelus_> its not even ejecting :o
[00:30] <WaltzingAlong> !ati > TheWozA
[00:31] <WaltzingAlong> master? slave?
[00:35] <steveire> kde4 doesn't build on kubuntu anymore. libsoprano is too old at 1.96 apparently 1.97.1 is needed. Is that in the pipeline?
[00:35] <_Angelus_> WaltzingAlong: you think its a wrong bios setting
[00:41] <fips> hi
[00:41] <fips> just installing kubuntu
[00:42] <WaltzingAlong> welcome
[00:42] <NickPresta> welcome, fips
[00:42] <fips> hi all
[00:46] <shinda> was wondering anyone know anything about kaffine/xine video problems, particularly really bad quality playback of mms streams
[00:49] <lovre> what is kxineplayer?
[00:50] <WaltzingAlong> !info kxineplayer
[00:50] <ubotu> Package kxineplayer does not exist in gutsy
[00:50] <lovre> i have a problem with it. When i use amarok, i close it and the songs continues to play, untill i kill kxineplayer.
[00:52] <lovre> and when i go to add media, and select a track, it automatically starts to play, doesnt matter if the Auto preview is on or off, or if the other songs are playing.  I have a question about my customizations in KDE. Since i'm about to upgrade to the next version of Kubuntu i wonder if there is any way to save my prefenrences (like taskbarpreferences etc.)
[00:56] <WaltzingAlong> rasmus__: those should stay with an upgrade
[00:57] <draik> How do I extract EXE files?
[00:57] <P> extract?
[00:57] <Dragnslcr> draik- very carefully
[00:57] <rasmus__> waltzing along: i'm planning to format my harddrive
[00:57] <draik> Dragnslcr: Ok....
[00:57] <draik> What is the command to extract EXE files?
[00:58] <Dragnslcr> rasmus__- I'm not sure, but I would guess that your settings are stored somewhere in ~/.kde
you mean a zip file?
[00:58] <WaltzingAlong> rasmus__: then you should backup your /home/user folder and its contents
[00:58] <draik> P: I believe so. I did it once, but I don't recall how I did it.
[00:59] <Dragnslcr> rasmus__- having /home on its own partition is definitely a good idea
[00:59] <draik> Also, how do I make Firefox open maximized?
you may need to install wine then
wine can handle exe zip files
[00:59] <rasmus__> okay, grate! Thanx alot!
[01:01] <WaltzingAlong> unzip file.exe
[01:01] <draik> P: I know there's a command in Linux to unzip exe
[01:01] <draik> WaltzingAlong: Is that the command?
[01:01] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[01:01] <WaltzingAlong> !find unzip
[01:01] <ubotu> Found: unzip, classpath-common-unzipped
[01:01] <WaltzingAlong> !info unzip
[01:01] <ubotu> unzip: De-archiver for .zip files. In component main, is optional. Version 5.52-10ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 150 kB, installed size 340 kB
[01:02] <WaltzingAlong> !info unzipsfx
[01:02] <ubotu> Package unzipsfx does not exist in gutsy
[01:02] <alain> Unable to contact the Xfce Trash service. anyone know something about this ?
[01:02] <WaltzingAlong> using xfce/xubuntu?
[01:02] <alain> yup
[01:02] <P> i've always just used wine
[01:02] <P> like wine file.exe
[01:03] <WaltzingAlong> !xubuntu
[01:03] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[01:03] <WaltzingAlong> P: yeah that would make the file.exe run in wine
[01:04] <lovre> any1 here?
[01:04]  * P raises hand
[01:05] <lovre> i have a SATAII disk. How do i see if SATA drivers were installed during os installation?
[01:05] <WaltzingAlong> mount | grep sda
[01:06] <MagicCow> If I install the xubuntu desktop to try it out, will I have any trouble going back to KDE, or is it a pretty stable process?
[01:07] <bazhang> MagicCow: just choose session in login window and your good
[01:07] <crimsun> the latter, though you should know a couple caveats regarding Qt and GTK+ theme interaction
[01:07] <crimsun> and possibly kdm/gdm interaction
[01:08] <scorkik> hi there.. my amarok can't play mp3's... i found some page saing goto /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3 .. they said i suppose to click on it and it will install the file ... but when i click on it, it open the file as a read file.. how can i install the file?
[01:08] <lovre> WaltzingAlong: how can i find that out from the output?
[01:08] <bazhang> scorkik: sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[01:08] <MagicCow> scorkik: Not sure, I used automatix2 to get the codecs (Hope that is okay to post here)
[01:09] <WaltzingAlong> are you accessing data from the drives? you could also check lsmod, see which modules are loaded. course then you would need to know which module would handle sataii disks
[01:09] <WaltzingAlong> :(
[01:09] <bazhang> MagicCow: no longer need that
[01:09] <WaltzingAlong> MagicCow: and you can also go back to pure kde afterward http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[01:09] <lovre> WaltzingAlong: everything is on a single drive (4 partitions)
[01:10] <WaltzingAlong> so things are working as expected. a module (driver) that worked was found as in use
[01:10] <scorkik> bazhang: i already installed libxine1-ffmpeg , from some reason it didn't do anything except of installing it ...
[01:10] <MagicCow> Oh, yeah, one more thing.. when I am configuring my taskbar, and I am in menu, and I want to see Name and Description of my KDE "start menu" programs, I get "_: Entries in Kmenu" before a lot of the programs.
[01:11] <scorkik> bazhang: when i opened amarok again it still didn't work
[01:11] <WaltzingAlong> just hoping for 3 Gb/s ? ;0
[01:11] <lovre> WaltzingAlong: the fact im using the sata hdd means that drivers for sataii are installed? couldnt it just be slower or something.....
[01:12] <bazhang> hmm. strange
[01:12] <WaltzingAlong> MagicCow: right mouse click the kmenu icon, panel menu, configure panel; then in menus, check either name only or description only
[01:12] <scorkik> damn wierd
[01:12] <bazhang> scorkik: did you restart amarok?
[01:12] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: there may be things to do to speed them up
[01:12] <scorkik> indid
[01:13] <bazhang> scorkik: you know closing the window doesn't quit it--you have to go the wolf icon and choose quit
[01:13] <scorkik> lol
[01:13] <MagicCow> WaltzingAlong: Aye, I did that, but was hoping I didn't have to.
[01:13] <scorkik> not just that,,, i even reboot
[01:14] <scorkik> i have no clue of what to do
[01:14] <lovre> WaltzingAlong: like? you got any idea?
[01:14] <scorkik> i meen , every sound is working exept the mp3 and dvd stuff
[01:15] <bazhang> scorkik: have you tried playing with something other than amarok? right click 'open with'
[01:25] <Minataku> I have that problem with regular mice
[01:25] <amerikanski> ok I probably found solution
[01:25] <scorkik> scorkik: amarok says "some media could not be loaded not playable"
[01:25] <Minataku> I'll leave the mouse alone, then I just barely touch it and the cursor flies all over the frickin' screen
[01:25] <scorkik> oops
[01:25] <purpleposeidon> amerikanski: Well, system settings > keyboard & mouse > touch pad
[01:25] <scorkik> bazhang: amarok says "some media could not be loaded not playable"
[01:26] <purpleposeidon> But there's a system tray program somewhere
[01:26] <amerikanski> I found touchpad unfit for  me
[01:26] <Minataku> The touchpad on my laptop is disabled in the BIOS :P
[01:26] <P> ?
[01:26] <P> oh
[01:26] <Minataku> lol
[01:27] <Minataku> Sorry X3
[01:27] <P> emote ^^
[01:27] <Minataku> One I use somewhat often, too
[01:27] <Minataku> lol
[01:28] <Minataku> Hm... sleep or watch another episode of Lucky Star...
[01:29] <bazhang> scorkik: need to install restricted programs in Adept or via the Konsole, then install the gstreamer restricted plugin
[01:30] <scorkik> bazhang: what's restricted programs?
[01:30] <Jucato> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras | scorkik
[01:30] <ubotu> scorkik: kubuntu-restricted-extras: Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10 (gutsy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[01:31] <scorkik> ok
[01:31] <scorkik> ..
[01:31] <scorkik> i'll try
[01:31] <bazhang> kubuntu-restricted-extras scorkik
[01:31] <bazhang> oops
[01:31] <scorkik> ok..
[01:32] <OOPS> yes?
[01:40] <bazhang> shinda: might have to do with net speed
[01:40] <shinda> bazhang, doubt its netspeed (plays fine in windows)
[01:40] <scorkik> jucato: bazhang: when i m using sudo it says : "E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extras yes
[01:40] <shinda> just seems to effect mms streams
[01:40] <Jucato> scorkik: you are on Gutsy?
[01:40] <bazhang> scorkik: did you enable the other repositories
[01:41] <scorkik> u meen closing the adept? (yes)
[01:41] <bazhang> shinda: no clue then sorry
[01:41] <Jucato> scorkik: no
[01:41] <bazhang> scorkik: no, you need to enable additional repos
[01:41] <scorkik> repos?
[01:41] <NickPresta> !multiverse | scorkik
[01:41] <ubotu> scorkik: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:41] <scorkik> (sorry)
[01:42] <bazhang> scorkik: are you using Gutsy?
[01:42]  * Jucato notes that there is no kubuntu-restricted-extras on Feisty.. so that fact is very very important
[01:42] <NickPresta> scorkik, enable the Multiverse repo
[01:42] <Jucato> NickPresta: which is enabled by default alread since Edgy
[01:42] <NickPresta> Jucato, oh. Then he should have KRE if hes on Gutsy =\
[01:42] <scorkik> ok...
[01:42] <tolstead> Hi, I am working on getting Amarok to play mp3's.
[01:42] <Jucato> that's why I've been asking again and again and again... is scorkik on Gutys
[01:43] <tolstead> I have been able to play mp3's but only as root.
[01:43] <Jucato> see? now I make typos..
[01:43] <NickPresta> heh.
[01:43] <NickPresta> so scorkik are you on Gutsy?
[01:43] <scorkik> what's gutsy?
[01:43] <tolstead> I am using Kubuntu gutsy...
[01:43] <scorkik> please i don't know.. :/
[01:43] <Jucato> scorkik: what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[01:43] <BluesKaj> tolstead, install libxine1-ffmpeg
[01:43] <scorkik> how can i know? (i think one before the 7.1
[01:44] <Jucato> ah that explains it then
[01:44] <bazhang> ahah
[01:44] <scorkik> :/
[01:44] <tolstead> I have already done that, Amarok plays mp3's just fine as root, but as a normal user no go...
[01:44] <Jucato> scorkik: "lsb_release -a" in Konsole will tell you what version
[01:44] <NickPresta> scorkik, type, in a Konsole, "lsb_release -a" and look at the release number. Is it 7.04?
[01:44] <scorkik> ok
[01:44] <scorkik> feisty
[01:44] <Jucato> see? :)
[01:44] <scorkik> 7.04
[01:45] <scorkik> it's not good?
[01:45] <tolstead> blueskaj, did you get that?
[01:45] <Jucato> scorkik: install libxine1-ffmpeg
[01:45] <scorkik> i suppose i don't need to uninstall all the rest?
[01:45] <Jucato> scorkik: no problems. we just needed to know which version you are running to give you the correct answer
[01:45] <Jucato> no need to
[01:46] <tolstead> my appologies this is my first shot at IRC...
[01:46] <scorkik> jucato libxine1-ffmpeg is already the newest version
[01:46] <Jucato> hm...
[01:46] <BluesKaj> tolstead, yes i got that , but i have no idea how to fix it unless you set permissions up in amarok properties as root onlu user
[01:47] <Jucato> scorkik: hat are you trying to listen to in Amarok
[01:47] <Jucato> what*
[01:47] <tolstead> Where do I look to correct the amarok permissions?
[01:48] <scorkik> mp3...not working , some default sound is working saying "u r using amarok bla bla bla"
[01:48] <scorkik> but mp3 files not working
[01:48] <Jucato> mp3's not working? hm... strange
[01:48] <tolstead> I think that it is a permissions problem, but I installed the same as with fiesty...
[01:49] <scorkik> i remmember when i tried to d/l codecs to play dvd's , it didn't work either
[01:50] <bazhang> scorkik: did you rip the files to your computer?
[01:50] <tolstead> does anyone have an idea how to correct the permissions for Amarok?
[01:50] <scorkik> what do u meen by rip?
[01:51] <tolstead> scrokik, copy files to your pc...
[01:51] <bazhang> scorkik: put in an audio cd, then rip those files to mp3--to your hard drive
[01:52] <bazhang> I'd go nuts without mp3s
[01:52] <BluesKaj> tolstead, hmm, can't seem to find the amarok permissions either :(
[01:52] <scorkik> nope. i have tones of mp3, do not use cd's but i can try..(which will take time for me to study ripping cd's do mp3's)
[01:52] <NickPresta> bazhang, you could always rip your CDs to -q7 Ogg Vorbis :)
[01:53] <bazhang> NickPresta: very excellent point--though some of my music was not ripped on this machine, but on another--already in that format :{
[01:53] <tolstead> Blueskaj, perhaps it is an error in the permissions for the restricted codecs?
[01:53] <scorkik> that's the wierdest line i have ever saw
[01:53] <bazhang> scorkik: you have never heard the term 'rip'?
[01:54] <BluesKaj> tolstead, dunno ..I use the restricted codecs without super user permission
[01:54] <tolstead> bazhang, sometimes windows machines insert copyright protections to prevent the ripped files from playing on another machine...
[01:54] <scorkik> ho i have heard "rip" ... but " CDs to -q7 Ogg Vorbis"..... mmm....???
[01:54] <tolstead> blusekak, I know I used to under feisty....
[01:55] <scorkik> how to unlock it? have any idea?
[01:55] <tolstead> blueskak, must be some kinda bug...
[01:55] <scorkik> damn
[01:56] <sFEARs> hello
[01:56] <bazhang> scorkik: where do you tell amarok to look for your music?
[01:57] <bazhang> hi sFEARs
[01:57] <tolstead> ok, on with the hunt!
[01:57] <scorkik> nowhere, i m just clicking the mp3 file... and when it doesnt play it i just tell him to play from music dir
[01:57] <sFEARs> what is it that your hunting?
[01:58] <scorkik> i could install kubuntu 7.1 it worked very good but it had one wierd problam... it booted after 4-5 mimutes
[01:59] <scorkik> with that problam i couldn't live :)
[01:59] <bazhang> scorkik: what are your system specs?
[01:59] <scorkik> specs?
[02:00] <bazhang> cpu, ram.etc
[02:00] <scorkik> ho
[02:01] <scorkik> pentum m 1800 ibm r40 512mb (a bit old) but when i used to use windows it was pretty fast with games
[02:01] <scorkik> new ones
[02:02] <bazhang> scorkik: well how about never shutting it down :}
[02:02] <scorkik> heh
[02:02] <scorkik> it's a laptop...
[02:02] <scorkik> it's already burning
[02:03] <bazhang> more ram?
[02:03] <scorkik> i don't believe that is the problam, cause it is a fast computer,, work very well.. i think it's a problam in booting hardware,,
[02:04] <bazhang> probably Feisty is best for your laptop--weird music thing though.
[02:04] <dthacker> scorkik: I suspect hardware,  I have a older PIII laptop that works well.
[02:04] <dthacker> with less RAM
[02:05] <sFEARs> i have ndiswrapper.tar.tar on my desktop.. how do i install it?
[02:05] <scorkik> like, right now my graphics  card dosent work cause it dosent have drivers for kubuntu,, it's an ati (god, it looks like i just have problams)
[02:06] <bazhang> scorkik: if you do upgrade, your mp3 problems will likely go away, then you can come here for your newer problems :}
[02:06] <scorkik> lol
[02:06] <bazhang> but you'll have music to solve them by...
[02:07] <scorkik> yea i just need to finish my deploma firs, than i will get a good money and than... just than,, may b i will have a new laptop!
[02:07] <scorkik> (ibm of caurse.. mm... or may b mac)
[02:07] <wooterz> hey guys where is the config file located at?
[02:07] <wooterz> for like the desktop
[02:08] <wooterz> omg this is all wrong where would the config file be for the desktop wallpaper
[02:08] <bazhang> wooterz: you want to add new wallpaper?
[02:09] <Jucato> ~/.kde/share/config/kdesktoprc
[02:10] <nikk> hello I want to install apache, mysql and PHP on my laptop
[02:10] <nikk> can someone help me out
[02:10] <Jucato> !lamp
[02:10] <nikk> trying to learn PHP
[02:10] <Jucato> hm... ubotu?
[02:10] <nikk> just type !lamp
[02:10] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[02:10] <nikk> yeah
[02:10] <Jucato> there.. he lagged
[02:10] <nikk> i am running Kubuntu Fiesty Fawn
[02:11] <nikk> yeah i know what LAMP is
[02:11] <nikk> thanks
[02:11] <Jucato> er...
[02:11] <nikk> but I am still a noob to linix
[02:11]  * Jucato points to the link that gives instructions
[02:11] <nikk> sweet thanks mate
[02:11] <Jucato> I wasn't telling you what LAMP is
[02:12] <nikk> holy cow that was much easier than what a friend of mine did
[02:13] <nikk> thanks a lot mann
[02:13] <nikk> do you know how i can upgrade to Gutsy on one command also ??
[02:13] <nikk> :D
[02:13] <Jucato> not one command. but the instructions are in the channel topic
[02:14] <amerikanski> cool I just disabled my touchpad
[02:14] <bazhang> :}
[02:14] <amerikanski> now my nerves will be alive
[02:15] <nikk> ohh ok
[02:15] <nikk> thanks
[02:16] <tuxwulf_> Yay, I got my raid working!
[02:17] <tuxwulf_> Now I just need to tweak  the thing a bit with permissions and stuff...
[02:19] <wooterz> oh thank you jucato
[02:22] <draik> Hello Jucato
[02:22] <Jucato> yo draik!
[02:22] <Jucato> enjoyng gutsy so far?
[02:22] <draik> I want to look at something entertaining/educational/time-consuming.
[02:23] <Jucato> hm..
[02:23] <amerikanski> gutsy's ok
[02:23] <Jucato> ksudoku? :)
[02:23] <draik> Jucato: Loving it, actually. I just wish Beryl was still around for it.
[02:23] <draik> I never cared for sodoku
[02:23] <Jucato> Beryl re-merged with Compiz and produced Compiz-Fusion
[02:23] <amerikanski> I hadn't sounds in feisty gutsy fixed the problem
[02:24] <draik> Yeah, but compiz-fusion keeps using GNOME for the windows manager
[02:24] <draik> Speaking of which, I still haven't managed to get "nvidia" to work. I don't have my OpenGL screensaver running.
[02:24] <scorkik> bazhang
[02:25] <draik> Only "nv" works for me right now.
[02:25] <scorkik> bazhang i think i know what is the problam
[02:25] <scorkik> i'm not sure
[02:25] <biovore> draik: what graphics card? nvidia ????
[02:25] <draik> nvidia-xconfig kills my xorg
[02:25] <bazhang> scorkik: what is it?
[02:25] <biovore> yeah thats thing sucks..
[02:25] <draik> biovore: nVidia GeForce FX 5700LE
[02:26] <biovore> oh.. you need the old driver..
[02:26] <draik> nvidia-glx-new in Feisty
[02:26] <biovore> yeah.. not glx-new anymore I think..
[02:26] <biovore> its the 9xxx series drivers from nvidia
[02:26] <draik> That's what I read on a website.
[02:26]  * draik wishes he would have saved the link
[02:27] <draik> biovore: What do you suggest?
[02:27] <Dragnslcr> Last time I looked, nvidia-glx-new is for 5xxx cards and above
[02:27] <biovore> I install it from nvidia's setup...
[02:27] <Dragnslcr> nvidia-glx is for 4xxx cards
[02:27] <biovore> allways have problems with ububntu's package..
[02:27] <scorkik> bazhang: in the repositories i have under authentication,,, "ubuntu automatic signin key" or** "ubuntu cd image automatic signin key"
[02:27] <draik> Dragnslcr: That's what I read on the site
[02:27] <scorkik> the other opthin of the cd is set...
[02:28] <scorkik> what do u say? should i change?
[02:28] <biovore> I have all newer stuff here... So I am not sure where the card cut off is.. could be 4xxx
[02:28] <bazhang> scorkik: nah. that wouldn't be it
[02:28] <Jucato> !nvidia | biovore
[02:28] <ubotu> biovore: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:28] <draik> 5xxx and FX cards and up are nvidia-glx-new
[02:28] <Jucato> biovore: the wiki page for Nvidia has a link to the nvidia.com listing
[02:29] <bazhang> scorkik: you still have the cd as a source? should disable that
[02:29] <scorkik> mm ok..
[02:29] <draik> biovore: Dragnslcr: lspci | grep -i nvidia    shows this...
[02:29] <draik> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV36 [GeForce FX 5700LE] (rev a1)
[02:30] <wooterz> okay that didnt work i looked for the wallpaper config. but this is a little diffrent im remastering the cd so where would be the config? I looked in /usr/share/config.kcfg not right
[02:31] <scorkik> bazhang: but what does that meen? signin key?
[02:31] <scorkik> authentication
[02:31] <biovore> draik: this a laptop?
[02:32] <draik> biovore: Desktop
[02:32] <scorkik> one is on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and the other is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:32] <bazhang> scorkik: that is to make sure you only install from trusted sources
[02:32] <scorkik> ho
[02:32] <biovore> well if the cut-off for the glx-new driver is 4xxx series.. then the glx-new driver should work if you setup X correctlly..
[02:32] <scorkik> so remove the one that is "cd"
[02:32] <draik> I am following the instructions for the restricted driver... I don't have that option under the Advanced tab from System Settings
[02:33] <fannagoganna> hi, wondering if anyone knew the name of the Ubuntu package that has a kicker applet that shows the name of the kaddressbook contacts?
[02:33] <fannagoganna> i uses to have it, but now i have forgotten it...
[02:33] <draik> biovore: "then the glx-new driver should work if you setup X correctlly.." Explain.
[02:33] <sFEARs> i have my screen saver turned off and my power saving settings turned off.. and i still have some sort of screen saver that comes on.. and every once in a while it has a large white X that blinks across the screen.. anyone know what it is???
[02:33] <scorkik> it's 5 am in here, i thing i m loosing it :)
[02:33] <bazhang> scorkik: yeah, and will want to add some others for Feisty (trying to remember Feisty..)
[02:33] <biovore> well I don't use the ubuntu restricted driver stuff here.. I custom build my own kernel and drivers here...
[02:34] <bazhang> scorkik: get some sleep--we'll be here when you wake up--guaranteed :}
[02:34] <uhoh> not me
[02:34] <uhoh> ;p
[02:34] <scorkik> lol, thanks for the help... gn8 :)
[02:35] <biovore> http://youtube.com/watch?v=K5nML_QNc9A <-- might be cool for the gamers in the channel..
[02:35] <draik> biovore: This is my xorg.conf file.... http://pastebin.ca/765511
[02:36] <biovore> draik: Here is a known good nvidia Xorg.conf file for feisty.. (should be the same for gusty) http://www.biovore.net/Fileserver/Linux/xorg.conf
[02:37] <biovore> If not I can upload a xorg.conf for gusty..
[02:38] <lovre> i have just become aware that my monitor is set to 50Hz refresh frequency, and it can go up to 75Hz, and it was set up to 75Hz a while ago. Why cant i change it to anything other than 50Hz? Drivers seem to be installed. Its 7900GS nVidia
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> lovre: the refresh rate doesn't matter
[02:41] <lovre> nosrednaekim: why do you think that?
[02:42] <Dragnslcr> lovre- I have the same issue, but I think the refresh rate is being reported incorrectly
[02:42] <Dragnslcr> If my monitor's rate was 50 Hz, the flickering would probably drive me mad
[02:43] <lovre> Dragnslcr: this is LCD.
[02:43] <lovre> Dragnslcr: yours?
[02:43] <Dragnslcr> Mine is as well
[02:44] <uhoh> LCD has a refresh rate?
[02:44] <lovre> uhoh: why would you think it doesnt=????
[02:45] <uhoh> there isn't an option for it is there?
[02:45] <lovre> uhoh: there is a setting in kcontrol
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> lovre: does it bother you by flikering?
[02:46] <uhoh> i see it now
[02:46] <lovre> nosrednaekim: no it doesnt, but if i could get 75hz it would be better for my eyes, i need to spend much time in front of computer.... you get tired...
[02:47] <lovre> is there any kind of nvidia utility to set theese things? i remember some1 mentioned something like this a while ago
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> ah....wasn't aware that was bad on the eyes...ok
[02:47] <lovre> !nvidia
[02:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:47] <lovre> nosrednaekim: the higher the refresh frequency the less your eyes get tired
[02:51] <draik> biovore: Do you suggest copy/paste the one from your link?
[02:51] <biovore> draik: Let me post my one from gusty I am using right now.. That one should work if you change the resolutions..
[02:51] <draik> biovore: I am using 1280x1024
[02:51] <draik> 19" monitor
[02:52] <biovore> rgr.. My desktop runs that.. I'll upload that xorg.conf file for you.. 1 sec..
[02:52] <draik> Ok
[02:52] <draik> Thanks
[02:53] <tuxwulf_> How can I change the default view mode in konqueror?
[02:53] <draik> How can I have firefox default to open maximized?
[02:53] <biovore> draik: http://www.biovore.net/Fileserver/Linux/gusty-xorg.conf
[02:53] <Jucato> tuxwulf_: View menu -> View Mode. then Settings -> Save View Profile
[02:54] <biovore> back up your current xorg.conf first though..
[02:54] <lovre> i figured it out. The kcontrol is lying. I used nvidia-settings to set up frequency to 75Hz (highest available for my lcd) and kcontrol says its @100Hz, what is impossible.:D
[02:55] <tuxwulf_> Jucato > Cool! Works! ... Sometimes in Linux there are things that work a little different than what I am used to...
[02:55] <Jucato> :)
[02:56] <draik> Here goes nothing. Thanks biovore
[02:56] <tuxwulf_> Oh well. On to the next problem ... sound in tvtime....
[02:57] <narg> In kreversi, does anyone know the difference between casual and competitive mode?
[02:57] <ubuntu> Hi
[02:57] <lovre> tuxwulf_: why dont you use dolphin?
[02:57] <ubuntu__> Hi
[02:57] <lovre> hi ubuntu__
[02:57] <ubuntu__> how to mount 2 partitions from live cd
[02:57] <ubuntu__> hi lovre
[02:57] <lovre> sudo mount?
[02:57] <BluesKaj> tuxwulf , what tv card setup do you use ?
[02:58] <tuxwulf_> lovre > eh... instead of konqueror? (I do not know what dolphin is except for an aqua-mammal...)
[02:58] <ubuntu__> lovre, yes , i did sudo -1 mount -t [...] , but what after that
[02:58] <BluesKaj> or video capture
[02:58] <ubuntu__> lovre, what after the -t
 <destination>
[02:59] <ubuntu__> ok
[02:59] <lovre> like /dev/sda1 /media/myMount
[02:59] <lovre> tuxwulf_: what distro are you at?
[02:59] <ubuntu__> oh ok
[02:59] <ubuntu__> i will se now
[02:59] <ubuntu__> see*
[03:00] <tuxwulf_> lovre > Fawn
[03:00] <draik> biovore: Nope. didn't work
[03:00] <draik> I'm using my backup
[03:00] <draik> Here
[03:00] <draik> *Here's what I don't understand...
[03:00] <ubuntu__> lovre, why i get this [/bin/mount: /bin/mount: cannot execute binary file]
[03:00] <lovre> tuxwulf_: dolphin is a file manager thats default in 7.10 (Gutsy). Its actually a backport from KDE4, still testing i suppose. But its much better than konqueror if you ask me
[03:01] <draik> I am using Kubuntu.  KDE.  I logout to restart X. If it fails, it hangs at a list of commands. I do the 3-finger salute. I restore my Xorg.conf file from the backup. I "startx". I am taken into GNOME. Why is that?
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> draik: probably the default session.
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> draik: in the startx script
[03:02] <draik> nosrednaekim: How do I change that?
[03:02] <lovre> im not sure if its anyhow different when on live. Try 'mount' to see what you get
[03:02] <draik> where is startx?
[03:02] <BluesKaj> dolphin is not mu cuppa tea... defeated in my setup
[03:02] <tuxwulf_> lovre > I see...
[03:03] <draik> nosrednaekim: Would you know how to change it?
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> draik: "type startx" and its ussually reccomend to start up KDM with "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> "type startx" tells you where it is
[03:03] <ardchoille> which startx
[03:04] <draik> Hey!
[03:04] <draik> I have Restricted Drivers in GNOME
[03:04] <draik> It's not in use.
[03:04] <draik> Check enable?
[03:04] <lovre> ubuntu__: ?
[03:05] <ubuntu__> lovre, yes
[03:05] <lovre> ubuntu__: what are you trying to do?
[03:05] <tuxwulf_> lovre > .. I have so much to  learn with this great stuff called linux ... I'm afraid I am a little slow catching up already...
[03:05] <ubuntu__> lovre, to mount first part
[03:06] <lovre> is it NTFS ot ext2 or something else
[03:06] <ubuntu__> ntfs
[03:08] <lovre> ubuntu__: you need to install the NTFS-3G driver for reading ntfs partitions from linux
[03:08] <lovre> !NTFS-3G
[03:08] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[03:09] <lovre> ubuntu__: follow the link
[03:09] <ubuntu__> lovre,ok
[03:10] <lovre> ubuntu__: sudo apt-get install ntfs-config
[03:10] <lovre> thats the installation of driver, next follow link instructions
[03:10] <ubuntu__> lovre, ok
[03:11] <ubuntu__> lovre, it will work on the live cd
[03:11] <ubuntu__> ?
[03:11] <bmk789> can someone please tell me where to find a log of attempts to connect over remote desktop connection
[03:12] <lovre> ubuntu__: im not sure about that, but you can try.
[03:12] <el_taco> I'm having problems with k3b not working in gutsy. I'm getting Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits.scsidev: '/dev/hdc' it worked fine under feisty
[03:12] <ubuntu__> lovre, ok
[03:13] <el_taco> anyone have any ideas on where to start?
[03:14] <lovre> im off, good night all
[03:14] <lovre> ubuntu__: good luck with that :D
[03:14] <bazhang> night
[03:14] <ubuntu__> lovre, how to install universal pacakges
[03:14] <TheWozA> hey guys im trying to install ati drivers but theres somethings hanging on my system
[03:14] <TheWozA> how can i find out what and kill it?
[03:15] <lovre> ubuntu__: you can set it up in Adept->Manage Repositories
[03:16] <TheWozA> i have this error
[03:16] <TheWozA> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[03:16] <ubuntu__> lovre, ok
[03:16] <lovre> ubuntu__: or you can play with the /etc/apt/sources.list  file and edit it manually
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> !adeptfix | TheWozA
[03:17] <ubotu> TheWozA: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[03:18] <ubuntu__> lovre, ok i'm updatng now the list
[03:18] <lovre> ubuntu__: ok. this could help to read: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html
[03:18] <ubuntu__> lovre, ok
[03:18] <lovre> ubuntu__: anyway, im off now, good night
[03:18] <ubuntu__> lovre, ok tx
[03:18] <lovre> ubuntu__: np
[03:18] <ubuntu__> lovre, goodnight , bye
[03:19] <TheWozA> thx nosre
[03:19] <crunge> I upgraded from Fiesty to Gutsy and my nvidia accelleration stopped working. In following the instructions to rectify that I find that I don't have a "Restricted Drivers" Applet in my System Settings
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> crunge: try running "restricted-manager-kde"
[03:20] <MilesG> guys? i am depressed
[03:20] <MilesG> i have over 2 gigs of swap, and it never gets used
[03:21] <crunge> nosrednaekim: Thanks. Wonder why it didn't get installed with the upgrade
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> MilesG: why should THAT be depressing..
[03:21] <MilesG> nosrednaekim: because i edited .conkyrc to show swap space, and it never does anything
[03:21] <TheWozA> ive got 512MB swap and it does fine
[03:21] <TheWozA> karp karp
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> MilesG: lol
[03:22] <bazhang> I have 6G of swap? wth? :{
[03:22] <MilesG> lol
[03:22] <MilesG> bazhang: i thought the common rule of thumb was swap = 1.5 * amount of ram
[03:23] <bazhang> MilesG: I know I don't have that much ram lol
[03:23] <MilesG> swap - who needs it? my ram usage idles at 30%
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> i'm using 387MB  of my gig
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> MilesG: if you are compiling, you'll want it
[03:24] <MilesG> ahhhh - yea true
[03:24] <enzo_> How do I make Kopete not open a chat window when a new chat comes in?
[03:24] <MilesG> enzo_: settings -> configure
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> and do the pop-up instead?
[03:25] <enzo_> MilesG: Right. What section? Where is the option located? I think I may be reading something wrong because I don't see it.
[03:26] <enzo_> I just want a notification bubble or something. I don't want to have a new window every time
[03:26] <MilesG> enzo_: im lookin
[03:26] <enzo_> Thank you MilesG
[03:30] <enzo_> WHOA!
[03:31] <ubuntu__> Hey , i have a problem with unclean ntfs partitions , what to do
[03:31] <ubuntu__> ?
[03:31] <ubuntu__> :D
[03:33] <ubuntu__> ?
[03:33] <ubuntu__> !error
[03:34] <ubuntu__> !Hi
[03:34] <Tm_T> umm, what you're trying to do?
[03:35] <Tm_T> bot isnt here
[03:35] <ubuntu__> heheeh ok
[03:36] <ubuntu__> i'm trying to mount ntfs partitions
[03:36] <ubuntu__> but the ntfs tool
[03:36] <ubuntu__> but i cant  access them , bec of error
[03:37] <Tm_T> what error
[03:37] <ubuntu__> one seconed
[03:38] <ubuntu__> improper shutdown or a removable drive
[03:38] <ubuntu__> bec of an improper shutdown or a removable drive
[03:38] <Tm_T> does googling of that error gives any hints?
[03:39] <ubuntu__> the ntfs partition not clean , its contain errors
[03:39] <Tm_T> hum
[03:39] <Tm_T> I dont know any linux apps for checking ntfs
[03:40] <ubuntu__> the problem i have problem with windows and i cant log in to it bec of system faliure*
[03:45] <purpleposeidon> omg!
[03:45] <purpleposeidon> whooooooo!
[03:45] <purpleposeidon> riding the surf, baby!
[03:45] <ardchoille> I hope there are enough chairs, lol
[03:45] <MilesG> i imagine this is what giving birth is like
[03:45] <ardchoille> lol
[03:45] <purpleposeidon> you nevah seen text scroll up as fast as this before!
[03:45] <purpleposeidon> lol
[03:45] <MilesG> seriously, what was that?
[03:45] <MilesG> that just boggled my mind
[03:45] <purpleposeidon> And then it splits again
[03:45] <NickPresta> MilesG, a netsplit
[03:45] <purpleposeidon> Somebody go bash it
[03:45] <sFEARs> say there's 400 please in the room
[03:45] <sFEARs> 100 peole are connected to one server.. 200 to another.. and the last 100 to another
[03:45] <sFEARs> that server joins all of us in this room
[03:45] <sFEARs> in a net split.. one or more servers get disconnected from each other
[03:45] <NickPresta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit Wikipedia knows all!
[03:46] <sFEARs> so 100 stay connected in this room
[03:46] <sFEARs> the other 200 in a room by themselvs "split" from the other 100 etc...
[03:48] <ubuntu__> heheeh
[03:48] <ubuntu__> any way , is there a way to clean the ntfs partitions
[03:49] <ubuntu__> i cant log in windows and i have to copy some file from the windows partition befor formatting
[03:49] <ubuntu__> it
[03:51] <ubuntu__> is there a way to clean the ntfs partitions
[03:51] <ubuntu__> i cant log in windows and i have to copy some file from the windows partition befor formatting
[03:52] <Tm_T> ubuntu__: no need to repeat
[03:53] <ubuntu__> sry
[03:53] <LastMall> ubuntu__  TestDisk installs on linux http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
[03:53] <ubuntu__> LastMall, ok
[03:54] <LastMall> ubuntu__  you can see a list there of things it claims to be able to do.
[03:55] <ubuntu__> LastMall, yes
[03:58] <ubuntu__> LastMall, after downlading it , how to install
[03:59] <LastMall> it may already BE installed and if not, it might be an easy install via normal repositories
[04:02] <LastMall> ubuntu__ its available on the gparted livecd and system rescue cd which are both fast downloads, burn to cdr http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php  and http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
[04:12] <Sudosu> NO
[04:12] <Sudosu> NOT ANOTHER NETSPLIT
[04:13] <bazhang> wow
[04:13] <varaonaid> Hi, I need to upgrade my 7.04 feisty install to 7.10.  Would you recommend using the adept method or the cd upgrade method?
[04:14] <ardchoille> varaonaid: See the topic for instructions
[04:14] <bazhang> varaonaid: the command line method
[04:15] <jahhan> I've never had good luck with upgrades, no matter what version of any distro. It's always been goofy.
[04:18] <Sudosu> WOAH
[04:18] <TheWozA> i tryed updating 7.04 to 7.10 but found it to be never ending updating and bugs so i just updated with the cd
[04:25] <Sudosu> everybody ok?
[04:26]  * Sudosu gets the IRC First Aid
[04:27] <nzk> Is there any way for me to open a .docx?
[04:28] <Tm_T> Sudosu: I think these netsplits causes noise enough, no need to fuss about it any further
[04:28] <sFEARs> nzk.. proally need to use WINE
[04:28] <sFEARs> and install office
[04:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> sFEARs: untrue.
[04:29] <sFEARs> ok
[04:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> i don't know if the version of OOo in the repos will do it yet
[04:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> IF NOT, check this out: http://www.sigmundvoid.com/?p=81
[04:31] <varaonaid> thanks for the help.  i think i might just go with the cd upgrade. :)
[04:32] <el_taco> not sure if anyone saw this cause of the splits but I'm having problems with k3b not working in gutsy. I'm getting Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits.scsidev: '/dev/hdc' it worked fine under feisty. I checked all the permissions etc and also updated the firmware on my burner. what else should I try/check
[04:33] <sFEARs> nzk.. http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=ESrjfdE4U58~
[04:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> sFEARs: that's what the link i provided says to use :)
[04:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> with alien, of course.
[04:36] <Jucato> what's up with freenode?
[04:38] <Tm_T> Jucato: I dont think you get any good answer here in that matter :-P
[04:39] <Jucato> yeah. I forgot humor, sarcasm, and rhetorics get lost in transmission over the net
[04:40] <dsmith_> ssdd
[04:42] <posingaspopular> it's a netsplit from what i hear
[04:42] <posingaspopular> a major one
[04:43] <Jucato> nesplitS
[04:43] <Roy_M> Hi just wondering if anyone knows any good guides to learning socket proramming in ruby? The poigniant guide is not that helpful.
[04:43] <Jucato> #ruby perhaps?
[04:43] <Jucato> (if the channel exists...)
[04:44] <Roy_M> shit sorry ;)
[04:44] <Roy_M> wrong channel
[04:45] <NickPresta> Jucato, #ruby-lang exists :)
[04:54]  * purpleposeidon karate chops freenode
[04:59] <flake> someone say something..
[04:59] <Tm_T> no I dont
[04:59] <Jucato> someone isn't online... so he can't say something
[05:00] <flake> quiet for a change
[05:00] <Jucato> freenode is having some fun....
[05:00] <flake>  since the upgrade to kde 3.5.8, it seems the kde gui has been moving alot smoother, or is it my imagination
[05:00] <Jucato> probably a little bit of both :)
[05:01] <flake> cool
[05:11] <MagicCow> !codecs
[05:11] <Jucato> MagicCow: bot's down... netsplit
[05:11] <MagicCow> Doh.
[05:12] <MagicCow> Divx Codecs for linux?
[05:12] <Jucato> libxine1-ffmpeg (usually)
[05:12] <maduser> MPlayer
[05:12] <Jucato> divx/xvid is actually just a wrapper... it really depends on what format the real video and audio come in
[05:12] <Jucato> (mplayer is not a codec though... but that works too)
[05:12] <drarem> yep, fun with freenode :|
[05:12] <MagicCow> I have mplayer, but it's streaming video from a site.
[05:13] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[05:13] <moparisthebest> how would I fix this horrible error?
[05:14] <moparisthebest> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:14] <moparisthebest> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0202' near line 1:
[05:14] <moparisthebest>  newline in field name `#padding'
[05:14] <moparisthebest> ive never had dpkg --configure -a fail before :/
[05:14] <actuallypopular> so the netsplit kicked me off my real nick, tells me that it's in use, but I cant ghost it because it's not in use
[05:15] <Jucato> actuallypopular: I knew you'd stop posing sooner or later :P
[05:16] <MagicCow> I really just want to watch heroes.
[05:17] <actuallypopular> thanks Jucato. it's the one i use now when im at ircatwork.com instead of eddieftw
[05:17] <drarem> oh man... darwinia has native binary :)  picked up game for $3.99 from outlet store
[05:18] <MagicCow> That game looked neat.
[05:19] <posingaspopular> ah much better
[05:19] <Jucato> heh
[05:19] <Jucato> poser
[05:20] <Dr_willis> drarem,  seen it for $10 here.. Silly Valve STEAM store online sells it for $20
[05:20] <Dr_willis> drarem,  be sure to get the  latest updates at the homepage.
[05:20] <drarem> found it at that popular outlet store, forget the name
[05:20] <Dr_willis> drarem,  and some extra user mods/levels
[05:24] <MagicCow> So.. this KDE4 beta thing, can anyone install and play with it?
[05:25] <Dr_willis> You can. :)
[05:25] <Dr_willis> It may be safer/easier to just use a KDE4 live cd as a test
[05:25] <sonic_beatnik> MagicCow: I just compiled it and use it from svn. plenty of development has happened since beta 3.
[05:26] <MagicCow> I am too impatient.
[05:26] <sonic_beatnik> though if you compile it, Id suggest only adding the dbus package suggested for gutsy and build your own kdesupport and qt
[05:26] <sonic_beatnik> its not that bad
[05:27] <sonic_beatnik> you compile it once and It does take a *while*
[05:27] <sonic_beatnik> but after that it just updates a few things and your good to go
[05:27] <sonic_beatnik> just the first compile is the painful once
[05:27] <Jucato> "just because you can, doesn't mean you should (yet)"
[05:28] <Tm_T> for general user, KDE4 is far from usable
[05:29] <Tm_T> and doesnt offer anything you need to "just look at" yet
[05:29] <sonic_beatnik> setting up a kde-dev user and switching between, not full kde4 replacing 3
[05:30] <sonic_beatnik> well I do. If only to file some bug reports (had a few of em fixed already).  plus parley is indespensible for my arabic class ;)
[05:31] <drarem> should i install the game to /usr/local..  or to /home/drarem..,  or does it really matter
[05:31] <sonic_beatnik> bugs from svn not beta3 of course
[05:33] <sonic_beatnik> speaking of kde4, if Hardy is LTS and plans on providing KDE4 packages, will the KDE4.0 (4.1?) packages be considered LTS?
[05:34] <sonic_beatnik> or will it continue with kde4 updates but stay with the kde3 version that ships
[05:34] <sonic_beatnik> or am I thinking more of a debian type LTS
[05:35] <Jucato> LTS has always be "debian-type" stable imho...
[05:36] <Jucato> kde4 pacakges, perhaps.
[05:36] <Jucato> but hardy will still have KDE 3.5.x
[05:37] <sonic_beatnik> so if kde4.0 is the release around Hardy time, providing LTS for it...
[05:37] <sonic_beatnik> yes kde 3 as default
[05:38] <sonic_beatnik> but does LTS cover the whole repository or just the kubuntu-destop default packages?
[05:40] <Jucato> all packages that are officially supported by Canonical (main and restricted)
[05:40] <sonic_beatnik> just curious. thats all. I was still on debian during dapper
[05:40] <Jucato> but basically all of the repos
[05:42] <sonic_beatnik> then youd backport the KDE4 changes? sounds daunting
[05:43] <Jucato> you can't "backport" KDE4
[05:43] <drarem> had to copy my wine installed directory over to the native folder, the .sh file couldn't mount my CD even though I was able to view the contents
[05:43] <sonic_beatnik> ok, I missed this part: "CDs are available for those who prefer a complete KDE 4 environment without LTS"
[05:44] <sonic_beatnik> thats pretty much answers it :p.
[05:44] <sonic_beatnik> rtfm anyone?
[05:44] <sonic_beatnik> ;)
[05:46] <purpleposeidon> welcome back!
[05:49] <enotee> how do i create a dvd from .avi files
[05:49] <mohsen> hi
[05:49] <Tm_T> !dvd | enotee
[05:50] <Tm_T> whopsie, ubotu is still gone
[05:50] <Tm_T> enotee: see private msg from ubotu
[05:53] <drarem> is freenode puking?
[05:53] <Tm_T> just having some turbulense
[05:53] <Tm_T> ce
[05:53] <drarem> lol
[05:58] <at0m1cb0mb3r> can somebody help me after i went into hibernation i couldn't get out of it so i turned my computer off by holding the button and now it gets stuck at check forced then it says cleaned blah blah blah (check after 4 mounts) and it wont let me boot up :[ please help ill really appreciate it
[05:59] <kevin> do you have backup kernals
[05:59] <at0m1cb0mb3r> i searched on google all lastnight
[05:59] <at0m1cb0mb3r> kevin no :[
[06:00] <kevin> when you go into grub you don't have any others when you press escape?
[06:01] <at0m1cb0mb3r> kevin: ive never pressed escape but i only have the recovery one and the normal one and memtest one
[06:01] <kevin> ahh
[06:01] <at0m1cb0mb3r> :[
[06:01] <at0m1cb0mb3r> and i screwed
[06:13] <at0m1cb0mb3r> can somebody tell me how i can find all of my uuids?