[13:56] <pitti> hello
[13:57] <Riddell> good afternoon
[13:58] <kwwii> hi
[13:58] <seb128> hello
[13:59] <MacSlow> Greetings
[14:00]  * kwwii runs to get a coffee
[14:01] <Keybuk> oh, yes
[14:01] <Keybuk> right
[14:01] <Keybuk> meeting
[14:02] <Keybuk> *ahem*
[14:02] <Keybuk> seb128: thanks ;)
[14:02] <seb128> np ;-)
[14:02] <Keybuk> mvo: there?
[14:02] <Keybuk> mpt: awake? :)
[14:05] <Keybuk> ok, the others can catch up
[14:05] <Keybuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2008-04-03
[14:05] <Keybuk> I put together the agenda, pitti had a small bunch of agenda items - did I miss any from anyone else?
[14:06] <pitti> Keybuk: there are a few outstanding action points from the last two meetings
[14:06] <seb128> Keybuk: no but I'll have a quick one to add about the gvfs libarchive backend and whether we want to use it in hardy or not
[14:07] <Keybuk> pitti: do you have them to hand, I didn't spot one?
[14:07] <pitti> Keybuk: they shuold be in the 'action points' from last one
[14:07] <mvo> Keybuk: yes
[14:07] <mvo> sorry
[14:07] <pitti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2008-03-27
[14:08]  * mvo was in deep hacking mode
[14:08] <pitti> ah, nautilus share transition is an important one to discuss IMHO
[14:08] <Keybuk> oh yes
[14:08] <Keybuk> sorry
[14:08] <seb128> mvo: napping you mean? ;-)
[14:08] <Keybuk>  * Sebastien to initiate a discussion about shares-admin -> nautilus-share
[14:08] <Keybuk>  upgrade migration with slangasek on u-devel@
[14:08] <Keybuk> seb128: how did that discussion go?
[14:08] <mvo> seb128: isn't that the same ;)
[14:08] <seb128> we discussed it on #ubuntu-devel
[14:08] <seb128> no migration possible
[14:09] <seb128> he doesn't think that's an issue and we will write about it in the upgrade notes
[14:09] <Keybuk> what needs migrating?
[14:09] <seb128> shres-admin does "normal" smb sharing
[14:09] <seb128> adding things to smb.conf
[14:09] <mvo> anything we can do in update-mangaer?
[14:09] <seb128> nautilus-share uses net usershare
[14:09] <seb128> and store things in /var/lib/samba/usershare
[14:10] <seb128> basically slangasek said that migration is not possible
[14:10] <seb128> because there is no way to know which shares have been added using shares-admin or in a other way
[14:10] <Keybuk> if they have things in smb.conf, will they still work?
[14:10] <seb128> and migrating those to useshare could be a security issues
[14:10] <seb128> because other people will have access to thing they should not
[14:10] <seb128> and there is no way to know which ones should be public or not
[14:11] <seb128> Keybuk: yes
[14:11] <seb128> Keybuk: we just remove the way to graphically edit this list
[14:11] <Keybuk> so it only really affects people wanting to modify shares they had in the past?
[14:11] <seb128> yes
[14:12] <Keybuk> can they just install shares-admin?
[14:12] <seb128> not now, I dropped the binary to not get duplication etc
[14:12] <pitti> it's not a separate package
[14:12] <Keybuk> ah right
[14:12] <seb128> but I think I'll do a separate binary
[14:12] <pitti> maybe we can just drop the .desktop file?
[14:12] <Keybuk> so was steve happy with that?
[14:12] <seb128> xubuntu users would like that too I think
[14:12] <pitti> or use NotShowIn to hide it?
[14:12] <seb128> pitti: either new binary package or drop nautilus integration and menu entry
[14:13] <seb128> pitti: I suggested that to steve but he seemed to no see the point
[14:13] <seb128> and I would prefer to not have to still maintain this code
[14:13] <seb128> it's written in perl, ugly and upstream stopped maintaining it
[14:13] <pitti> ok
[14:13] <Keybuk> ah, that thing
[14:14] <seb128> Keybuk: steve said he's happy to drop shares-admin and write something in the hardy notes about the old shares
[14:14] <Keybuk> seb128: it sounds like you've had generally good feedback from your plans and no significant concerns raised?
[14:14] <seb128> since we can't migrate anyway
[14:14] <seb128> it's either we do that or never change
[14:14] <seb128> and we don't want to never change so better to bite the bullet now
[14:14] <Keybuk> *nods*
[14:14] <seb128> Keybuk: right, I think everything is on track
[14:14] <Keybuk> sounds like a no-brainer then :-)
[14:15] <Keybuk>  * Sebastien to prepare theme change back to ubuntulooks
[14:15] <Keybuk> I think I saw that get done?
[14:16] <seb128> yes, kwwii and mvo took care of the theme changes
[14:16] <Keybuk>  * Sebastien to rename the tracker menu item
[14:16] <seb128> we had some random discussions on the list about menu changes, etc
[14:16] <seb128> and I think we should better wait next cycle to do those cleanup, that's late now to break translations
[14:17] <Keybuk> ok
[14:17]  * pitti raises hand
[14:17] <pitti> IMHO we should still fix at least "transmission"
[14:17] <pitti> nobody knows what that means
[14:17] <seb128> right, need to ping jdong about this one again
[14:18] <seb128> they were working on updating or backporting changes
[14:18] <seb128> and dunno why that has not been uploaded yet
[14:18] <Keybuk> do we need a UDS session for menu changes?
[14:18] <mdz> janebot noticed some of the menu inconsistencies
[14:19] <mdz> pitti: agreed re: "transmission"
[14:19] <seb128> well, I think menus changes discussions will lead nowhere
[14:19]  * tedg thinks Keybuk will get the room to himself ;)
[14:19] <seb128> we already had those
[14:19] <kwwii> that kind of thing should really be done by usability people, or?
[14:19] <seb128> I think we should think about change the menu to use gnome-main-menu or consider using the gnome-control-center shell and improve it
[14:19] <seb128> s/change/changing
[14:19] <Keybuk> ok
[14:19] <Keybuk> let's follow up on this later
[14:20] <Keybuk>  * Ken to look into updating important bits of example-contents for Hardy, primarily release name
[14:20] <seb128> mdz: right, we discussed it at previous meeting, there is also an inconsistancy about using or not the software names in the menus entries, that's being discussed upstream too
[14:20] <kwwii> Keybuk: haven't gotten around to that yet
[14:21]  * Keybuk still has nightmares about a street of shops all names "Shoes"
[14:21] <Keybuk> ok
[14:21] <Keybuk>  * (pitti) libgphoto gvfs: keep and fix, or ditch?
[14:22] <pitti> oh, I added that before I discussed it with Seb, sorry
[14:22] <pitti> I think we pretty much agreed on disabling it, since it's too buggy
[14:22] <Keybuk> ah, what was the result of the discussion ooi
[14:22] <Keybuk> what replaces it?
[14:22] <pitti> any objections?
[14:22] <pitti> Keybuk: f-spot-import
[14:22] <pitti> similar to gthumb import from rpevious releases
[14:22] <Keybuk> ah
[14:22] <pitti> the libgphoto gvfs backend is cool, but it's not ready yet IMHO
[14:22] <Keybuk> this is the thing where the camera appears accessible to the gnome vfs
[14:23] <Keybuk> instead of needing to spawn a program to deal with it?
[14:23] <pitti> it appears in places and computer:///, but clicking on photos doesn't work (missing eog gvfs integration), it's not automounted, and if it's mounted, it blocks f-spot
[14:23] <seb128> it does mount your camera
[14:23] <seb128> and you can use it as a standard mount
[14:23] <Keybuk> ah, and doesn't get the photos into f-spot?
[14:23] <pitti> Keybuk: no, you just get a file browser
[14:24] <pitti> (which might not be what most people want to do with their camera, dunno)
[14:24] <seb128> well, it makes you gphoto camera being seen as a removable disk
[14:24] <Keybuk> got it
[14:24] <pitti> so, I think it would be great to use in intrepid
[14:24] <Keybuk> if you're both happy with disabling for now and reviewing later, that's fine
[14:24] <seb128> you can copy directly from the folder if your app use gvfs
[14:24] <pitti> when we'll switch f-spot/gthumb to file-based import
[14:24] <seb128> which is not the case yet
[14:24] <pitti> and 'mount' the camera
[14:24] <seb128> right
[14:24] <pitti> then you can have both
[14:24] <pitti> *shiny* *shiny* :)
[14:24] <Keybuk> "This folder contains pictures from a camera.  [ Import into F-Spot ]"
[14:25] <pitti> but I guess for that it needs a real fuse mount, otherwise you can just see it from gvfs-enabled apps
[14:25] <Keybuk> I half expected someone to write an LD_PRELOAD wrapper that wrapped open(), creat(), etc. with gvfs calls :p
[14:25] <awalton__> that should already work fine if you have gvfs-fuse installed and working.
[14:25] <Keybuk> but anyway, digressing into dangerous territory ;)
[14:26] <Keybuk>  * (seb128) gvfs libarchive backend, use in hardy?
[14:26] <awalton__> there's just not a way yet to make that "apparent" to users.
[14:26] <Keybuk> is this "open tar files as a folder" ?
[14:26] <seb128> Keybuk: ok, where we stand now is that the current gvfs in hardy has the libarchive backend
[14:26] <seb128> we promoted libarchive for that
[14:26] <seb128> it's not used now but I've the change ready, fedora is using it
[14:27] <seb128> that's basically added a .desktop to nautilus which gives you a "mount archive" context menu option on zip, iso, etc
[14:27] <seb128> s/added/adding
[14:27] <seb128> and the mounted archive is listed as mount then
[14:27] <seb128> you can browse it, copy from it, etc
[14:27] <mvo> what about file-roller then? its no longer needed with that?
[14:27] <Keybuk> does it work?
[14:28] <seb128> Keybuk: it works fine yes
[14:28] <seb128> I think the "have to mount and then use" user experience is not optimal
[14:28] <pitti> so ideally it would work like file-roller, but look like nautilus?
[14:28] <Keybuk> yeah, I guess you just want to double-click
[14:28] <seb128> but it's not exposed a lot and easy to use for those who want the feature
[14:29] <seb128> mvo: file-roller is needed because libarchive does only cpio, zip, iso
[14:29] <Keybuk> Why isn't it the default action?
[14:29] <pitti> zip:///home/martin/foo.zip/path/inside/zip.txt nautilus window would be cool :)
[14:29] <seb128> another thing is that libarchive does reading only
[14:29] <seb128> Keybuk: ^
[14:29] <Keybuk> ahh
[14:29] <seb128> which means you can't add files to a zip for example
[14:29] <Keybuk> any plans for it to expand its format support or be writable?
[14:30] <seb128> and it doesn't support rar, ace, and other formats which are used
[14:30] <Keybuk> any downsides to activating it? does it break anything else?
[14:30] <pitti> libarchive itself supports writing, but I doubt that it gets support for other formats anytime soon
[14:30] <seb128> Keybuk: Company is speaking about it, but not sure how much work that is and if that's going to happen soon
[14:30] <seb128> Keybuk: no, the gvfs backend is already activated
[14:31] <Keybuk> ok
[14:31] <Keybuk> do you think we should activate it?
[14:31] <seb128> that just adds a context menu item and a string to translate
[14:31] <mvo> sounds like its harmless because file-roller is still the default and its just a optional new feature
[14:31] <seb128> the downside is to have to support libarchive for the lts
[14:31] <Keybuk> will we have to support it for intrepid?
[14:31] <seb128> yes
[14:31] <Keybuk> then we'll be supporting it anyway
[14:32] <Keybuk> seb128: your decision :-)
[14:32] <seb128> well, I've difficulties to evaluate how many users are wanting to browse isos
[14:32] <Keybuk> _o/
[14:32] <seb128> there was some users on the brainstorm website asking for a such feature
[14:33] <Keybuk> actually, I hear quite a bit that being able to use .dmg files is a killer mac feature
[14:33] <Keybuk> yeah, indeed
[14:33] <Keybuk> so taking a step towards that for us seems good too
[14:33] <Keybuk> (of course, running programs from inside isos will mean that ld.so will need gvfs support <g>)
[14:33] <seb128> ok, so my vote would be to activate it, my concern was just adding extra load on the security team for something not really required
[14:33] <Keybuk> seb128: check with kees, but if it's already in main, it sounds like he's approved it
[14:34] <seb128> yeah, we discussed it on friday
[14:34] <pitti> Keybuk: (note that file-roller browses ISOs just fine, too)
[14:34] <seb128> that was basically "if you really want it, alright"
[14:34] <Keybuk> :-)
[14:34] <Keybuk>  * (pitti) Coordination of fixing /etc diff for upgrades (Michael started to provide diffs now, thanks a lot!)
[14:35] <pitti> right, so http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/kvm/profile/lts-ubuntu/etc.diff is a nice and handy 5.2 MB (!!) diff
[14:35] <pitti> between /etc/ upgraded from dapper and a fresh hardy installation
[14:35] <pitti> I think there are probably many bombs and bugs inside
[14:35] <mvo> it dosn't purge obsolete packages currently though
[14:35] <pitti> so we should at least go through it with a fine comb, and turn errors into bug reports
[14:36] <pitti> mvo: do you think you can regenerate it with purged uninstalled packages?
[14:36] <pitti> although I suppose stuff like the /etc/cron.daily/find bug wouldn't have appeared then
[14:36] <mvo> I will create a run with purge later, but my test-machine is running out of space to do too many of those in parallel (I "only" have a 320GB hdd for this)
[14:36] <pitti> mvo: anyway, I think we just need to check newly added files in /etc/rc*.d/ for now, and can ignore others, right?
[14:37] <pitti> that should make it easier
[14:37] <pitti> I'm willing to work on that and turn it into a bug list, but I might need some more hands to fix all of them
[14:37] <Keybuk> pitti: is that changes between /etc from dapper to hardy?
[14:37] <Keybuk> ah yes, you said that
[14:37] <mvo> probably, at least a exlucd list for stuff like /etc/altneratives should be added to the diff generator
[14:38] <pitti> Keybuk: between a dapper->hardy upgrade and a hardy fresh install
[14:38] <seb128> pitti: are those changes really an issue?
[14:38] <Keybuk> oh, right
[14:38] <pitti> yes, probably
[14:38] <pitti> in the last weeks I fixed a few bugs which e. g. totally broke hal on dapper->hardy upgrade
[14:38] <pitti> missing or wrong transitions in postinsts, etc.
[14:38] <mvo> seb128: some are, /etc/cron.daily/find caused trouble for example with diversion in slocate under some circumstances
[14:38] <pitti> or obsolete configuration files which don't match the new version any more
[14:38] <Keybuk> mvo: are you planning to review and file bugs?
[14:39] <pitti> so, we don't need to get the diff down to 0, but we need to watch out for real bugs
[14:39] <mvo> Keybuk: yeah, I plan to review them (and did to some extend)
[14:39] <pitti> mvo: shall we attack it together?
[14:39] <Keybuk> pitti: or are you?
[14:39] <mvo> sure, together is even better
[14:39] <pitti> mvo: we could start at opposite ends of the file and work towards meeting i n the middle or so
[14:40] <Keybuk> :)
[14:40] <seb128> seems that quite some issues are packages not cleaning conffiles on upgrade when they stop shipping those
[14:40] <seb128> dpkg should really do that automatically
[14:40] <pitti> we have similar diffs for gutsy->hardy and a few other cases, but I guess this is the biggest/worst one
[14:40] <seb128> having to add maintainer scripts to do that is annoying
[14:40] <mvo> seb128: yeah, the amount of copied rm_conffile is really anoying
[14:41] <Keybuk> :-)
[14:41] <pitti> at least if they weren't modified, yeah
[14:41] <Keybuk> just be glad we *have* a relatively standard function for it now <g>
[14:41] <mvo> we should ship common snippets like rm_conffile or mv_conffile in some central package so that they can be sourced at least IMHO
[14:41] <pitti> I do see the point for keeping modified ones, but there is *no* reason for unmodified ones
[14:41] <seb128> mvo: indeed
[14:41] <Keybuk> mvo: I've been arguing for ages that they should be debhelper things
[14:41] <mvo> yeah, that would be fine as well
[14:41] <Keybuk> since even when people use them, they forget prep_rm_conffile, undo_rm_conffile, finish_rm_conffile in preinst and postrm :)
[14:42] <seb128> pitti: well, usually that's maintainers not knowing they need a snippet or not not been careful about that
[14:42] <pitti> TBH, most of the time I just remove them in postinst
[14:42] <Keybuk> pitti: then they show up as an obsolete file in dpkg
[14:42] <seb128> what I do too
[14:42] <pitti> erm, preinst I mean
[14:42] <Keybuk> pitti: then if the unpack fails, the file vanishes forever ;)
[14:43] <pitti> it's just too painful to get it 100% right without introducing other bugs FWIW
[14:43] <Keybuk> anyway, dpkg sucks
[14:43] <Keybuk> mvo, pitti: you're both happy to go through that file together and file bugs?
[14:43] <mvo> at least this bit in it :P
[14:43] <pitti> Keybuk: ack
[14:43] <mvo> Keybuk: yeah
[14:43] <Keybuk> I'm sure I can probably be blamed for some of them
[14:44] <Keybuk>  * (pitti) next week I'll be at the LinuxFoundation collaboration summit in Austin; anything I should do/ask/tell/promote there?
[14:44] <mvo> I will also keep the regular kvm tests running here and report issues
[14:44] <pitti> ^ good to know for the default assignee :-P
[14:44] <mvo> liw was doing some work here too recently, that is pretty cool
[14:44] <pitti> oh, that's not really something to discuss here, just a general question to the team
[14:44] <Keybuk> ok, if you have things for pitti to do at the LF summit next week, please tell him ;-)
[14:44] <Keybuk> pitti: beware of "The Tilted Kilt"
[14:44] <mvo> buy me some hardware :P
[14:45]  * pitti ponders what to bring as a souvenir - a Colt, a barrel of oil, or a cactus
[14:45] <Keybuk> ok
[14:45] <Keybuk>  * Final call for UDS Agenda topics
[14:45] <Keybuk> I'll be putting together the draft agenda (ie. list of topics to discuss and a paragraph summary of each) tomorrow
[14:45] <seb128> - rethink the menus?
[14:45] <tedg> Is there a list of UDS agenda topics?
[14:45] <Keybuk> you've all given me a list, but if you have anything else, please e-mail it me
[14:46] <Keybuk> tedg: that's what I'll be writing <g>
[14:46] <ogra_cmpc> pitti, take the colt, thats likely the most exciting at customs :)
[14:47] <tedg> Keybuk: Okay, I don't have any others to add :)
[14:48] <Keybuk> ok
[14:48] <Keybuk> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/
[14:48] <Keybuk> mvo: bug #210173
[14:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210173 in transmission "Transmission does not use .desktop translations from Rosetta" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210173
[14:49] <mvo> will take care of it
[14:49] <Keybuk> Riddell: bug #207863
[14:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207863 in qt4-x11 "assert in qbrush.cpp on LPIA (skype)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207863
[14:50] <Riddell> hmm, proprietry software on a platform i can't test
[14:50] <Keybuk> sure, but if it's in the sponsoring queue, it means someone's already done a ptach
[14:50] <Keybuk> you just need to check that, and upload
[14:50] <pitti> Keybuk: "ptach" is a Klingon name-calling...
[14:51] <Riddell> yep, sponsorship queue is on my todo
[14:51] <Keybuk> pitti: it's slightly worrying that you know that ;)
[14:51] <MacSlow> pitti, I'm amazed :)
[14:51] <pitti> nuQneH?
[14:51] <pitti> don't tell me you guy's didn't watch Star Trek TNG/Voyager
[14:52] <MacSlow> sure I did/do
[14:52] <Keybuk> seb128: bug #199402 looks like it was fixed and got re-opened ?
[14:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199402 in metacity "gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_theme_get_frame_style()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199402
[14:52] <MacSlow> and waiting for the new StarTrek-movie
[14:52] <kwwii> it just takes a special kind of person to learn klingon :-)
[14:52] <seb128> Keybuk: yeah, I just unsubscribed the sponsors
[14:52] <seb128> Keybuk: I don't think the guy who reopened has the same issue
[14:53] <seb128> the bug was a crash, and he has a lack of preview in the capplet
[14:53] <seb128> anyway nothing to sponsor there
[14:53] <Keybuk> *waits for LP*
[14:53]  * Keybuk sits down and starts singing about gold
[14:53] <Keybuk> mvo: bug #104553
[14:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104553 in fontconfig "upgrade failed when fontconfig cache dirs are newer than system date" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104553
[14:53] <Keybuk> I remember that one came up before?
[14:54] <mvo> I'm not happy with the patch, I would rather want to fix it in fontconfig (and I believe its fixed there already)
[14:55] <Keybuk> ok
[14:55] <Keybuk> can you unsubscribe u-m-s
[14:55] <mvo> my bad, I need to remove it from u-m-s
[14:55] <Keybuk> ooh look one for me
[14:55] <Keybuk> :-)
[14:55] <Keybuk> mvo: also new patch on #87914
[14:56] <Keybuk> mdz: since you're here ... bug #15051 <g>
[14:56] <seb128> bug #87914
[14:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 15051 in pcre3 "grep -P is not supported" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15051
[14:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87914 in update-manager "Progress bar refers to "1 minutes" or "1 hours"" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87914
[14:56] <mvo> dholbach: could you please unsubscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors from #104553
[14:56] <Keybuk> dholbach: likewise, please unsub from #94120
[14:56] <dholbach> I can add you both to the team
[14:56] <Keybuk> I don't want to be a member of the team
[14:56]  * mvo check 87914
[14:56] <dholbach> grmbl
[14:57] <mvo> dholbach: yeah, please add me
[14:57] <dholbach> thanks mvo
[14:57] <seb128> lol
[14:57] <dholbach> Keybuk: done (#104553)
[14:57] <Keybuk> I'm doing everything I can to cut down my bug mail to levels where I can actually read and respond to the incoming bugs
[14:58] <dholbach> Keybuk: you're not getting bug mail - it goes to a list :)
[14:58] <Keybuk> so don't really want to join lp teams
[14:58] <Keybuk> (also it'll make people think I'm able to do sponsorship requests)
[14:59] <dholbach> fine with me
[14:59] <Keybuk> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/qa-hardy-list-archive/sort-by-package/desktop-buglist.html
[14:59] <Keybuk> doesn't look like there's anything new on there
[14:59] <Keybuk> or any changes from last time
[14:59] <Keybuk> pedro_: ?
[14:59] <pedro_> no there's nothing new on there
[15:00] <Keybuk> ok
[15:00] <Keybuk> AOB?
[15:00] <pedro_> leann add the date reported column to it and also if the report is less than 10 days old it will mark it as yellow
[15:00] <Keybuk> ah, then there are two new things on there
[15:00] <Keybuk> both for human-theme
[15:01] <Keybuk> ah, just tasks on bug #99508
[15:01] <Keybuk> ok
[15:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99508 in compiz "Window titlebar displayed not right with compiz enabled" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99508
[15:01] <mvo> two of the compiz ones require a new upstream snapshot, I guess I need to talk with steve about this
[15:01] <pedro_> change of state IIRC
[15:01] <mvo> the "Wrongly placed maximized window with cloned display" ones
[15:01] <Keybuk> I didn't see any additions to ReportingPage today?  nothing to report for the last week?
[15:01] <pitti> nothing fancy from me
[15:01] <pitti> "bug fixing, and more of it"
[15:02] <mvo> upgrade test from gutsy->hardy is running, 20.000 pkgs, VM needs 2.8Gb ram to run smoothly and is 24h later at 15%
[15:02] <Keybuk> ok, adjourned
[15:03] <kwwii> mvo, pitti, seb128: just for information I have several updated packages to be uploaded (human-icon-theme, ubuntu-gdm-themes, human-theme, and ubuntulooks)
[15:03] <Keybuk> thanks all
[15:03] <kwwii> erm, wrong channel
[15:03] <mvo> thanks
[15:03] <pitti> thansk all
[15:03] <seb128> thanks
[15:03] <kwwii> thanks
[15:04] <MacSlow> obrigado
[15:07] <mdz> Keybuk: what about it?
[15:07] <Keybuk> mdz: it's assigned to you ;)
[15:08] <Keybuk> you have to review it, and upload it; or unsubscribe the ubuntu-main-sponsors team, etc.
[15:08] <Keybuk> I'm almost entirely trolling <g>
[15:08] <mdz> Keybuk: it is not
[15:08] <Keybuk> it has mdz in bold letters in dholbach's list
[15:08] <mdz> it's assigned to nobody
[15:08] <mdz> I just looked
[15:09] <mdz> I think it's too late for Hardy, unfortunately


[00:06] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna, The channel needs details to offer help.
[00:08] <vastkahuna_> I'm having problems with my terminal
[00:08] <vastkahuna_> Can anyone help me?
[00:09] <wilee-nilee> !details
[00:10] <vastkahuna_> I'm running Ubuntu 13.04, I just today upgraded it from 12.10, when I open the terminal it allows me to give it a command butit won't allow me to input my password
[00:11] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna_, Your in the install user account?
[00:11] <wilee-nilee> the admin basically
[00:12] <vastkahuna_> Yes
[00:12] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna_, THis a fresh install upgrade or from 12.10 to 13.04
[00:14] <vastkahuna_> I installed 12.10 fresh from a dvd because I didn't have anything newer, then when that completed I upgraded from the software updater
[00:15] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna_, Here is a password reset link I would try that first. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[00:16] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna_, Did you make sure 12.10 was updated and upgraded before going on to 13.04?
[00:19] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna_, I should have asked this to start with, the terminal will not show anything when you type your password, did you know this?
[00:19] <vastkahuna_> Yes, the only thing that seemed funny was while it was installing the packages for 13.04, at the end it said some of the updates didn't take, but it said the upgrade was finished and to restart the computer
[00:21] <vastkahuna_> I just tried again to input my password in the terminal and hit enter and then it requested the password again, like I didn't even type in the first place
[00:22] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna_, Ah, that is not a good sign if you can't use the password otherwise you could run sudo apt-get -f install and finish. If it were me I would download the iso load it to a disc/usb and jst install again. trying to find what happened may be a waste of time.
[00:22] <wilee-nilee> just saying is all
[00:23] <vastkahuna_> Everything else seems to be working
[00:24] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna_, You might try #ubuntu kinda slow here.
[00:24] <vastkahuna_> OK thanks
[00:24] <wilee-nilee> np
[01:13] <vastkahuna> I just installed some updates on my system in the terminal and I don't know how  to accept the terms, nothing happens when I click on it
[01:14] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna, Its done with the keys esc or the arrow keys must be an yes or no accept.
[01:14] <vastkahuna> Can anyone help me please?
[01:15] <wilee-nilee> or the tab key I forget I do it automatically.
[01:15] <vastkahuna> http://pastebin.com/25ChZUZ7
[01:16] <wilee-nilee> Thought it was the restricted-extras try the tab
[01:17] <wilee-nilee> and choose the accept with the arrow keys if you get there then enter
[01:17] <vastkahuna> Thanks I fixed my earlier problem by resetting my password
[01:18] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna, That is excellent. ;)
[01:19] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna, I have installed so many times I just reinstall if it takes longer to fix, I only need to know so much as an armchair user.
[01:20] <vastkahuna> You sound like me, I'm not very technically knowledgeable, I either get help from here or youtube
[01:23] <wilee-nilee> Ironically, because of an obsession with it I have skills beyond an average user, I just know what I have cared to know
[01:25] <vastkahuna> Yeah, I'm trying to learn as I go with whatever problem arises, I love linux and ubuntu so much  more than windows
[01:28] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna, Yeah I returned to college about 6 yeras ago never having needed a computer and went to a recycler that happened to release with ubuntu. Learned a bit of MS to help the dualbooters and some basic problems there.
[01:28] <vastkahuna> Cool
[01:29] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna, Much easier to learn linux without a history I think.
[01:32] <vastkahuna> Yeah because I have no computer training, I always learned from friends or exploring on my own, I love the terminal in linux, much easier as long as you know the commandt than windows I think
[01:56] <vastkahuna> Where can I find codecs to let me play my dvds?
[02:07] <wilee-nilee> try install libdvdcss2
[02:07] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna, ^^^
[02:08] <vastkahuna> So sudo apt-get libdvdcss2?
[02:09] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna, hMM I don't see it in my 13.04 synaptic hold on, you can try though.
[02:10] <vastkahuna> OK
[02:10] <wilee-nilee> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[02:10] <wilee-nilee> It usually does it for me, the wiki should help.
[02:11] <wilee-nilee> 13.04 has libdvdread4
[02:12] <wilee-nilee> I also use vlc it palys most things
[02:16] <vastkahuna> This is what I got, tell me what you think if I got it right
[02:16] <vastkahuna> http://pastebin.com/pbUx0uwS
[02:22] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna, Looks like it is already installed, you installed the restricted-extras right?
[02:23] <vastkahuna> yes
[02:24] <wilee-nilee> vastkahuna, I have had dvd's that were problematic, have you tried several? I install the extras and vlc automatically, and use vlc .
[02:24] <vastkahuna> OK it's finally kicking in and my movie is playing
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> in the words of austin powers cool baby
[02:25] <vastkahuna> Yes I tried a newer one, Super 8 and an older one, South Park, both are working
[02:25] <vastkahuna> Thanks a lot
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> I figured you had, I just start where I would generally.
[02:26] <wilee-nilee> no problem
[02:26] <vastkahuna> Later, goodbye
[02:26] <wilee-nilee> take it easy. ;)
[22:33] <veebzz> hello new to ubuntu, i want to add the gear button that has the log off, shutdown buttons etc.
[22:35] <veebzz> how do i do it?


[17:54] <hakimsheriff> hi everyone
[18:10] <Linden940> hello hakimsheriff
[18:11] <hakimsheriff> what exactly does this team do
[18:12] <hakimsheriff> ?
[18:13] <Linden940> lol not to much really but when there is a marketing campaign we are the ones who work on it an ect
[18:14] <Linden940> I joined this team because I am in the DFW and I own my own company and I will be doing campaigns per that but as a side deal I will like to run Ubuntu campaign as my company and ubuntu go in hand of each other
[18:17] <hakimsheriff> good idea, mind if i do that too?


[11:17] <mup> PR operator#705 opened: Avoid issuing relation_changed events with no data delta <Created by mmanciop> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/705>
[11:39] <mup> PR operator#704 closed: add tox config for real pebble tests <Created by rwcarlsen> <Merged by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/704>
[18:01] <mup> Issue operator#292 closed: Need ability to trigger k8s jobs from within charms <Created by jayk-canonical> <Closed by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/292>
[21:31] <mup> Issue operator#706 opened: remove charmhelpers lib references from docs <Created by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/706>


[02:48] <truexfan81> anyone about to successfully get phpmyadmin to work with nginx on 14.04 server?
[02:49] <truexfan81> for some reason the auto config program that runs during the package install doesn't have nginx as an option, and when you go with neither it doesn't seem to generate a config file for it
[02:50] <truexfan81> so without the config i'm unable to give it my ip address to gain access to it
[07:45] <Razva> I have two nics, both with static IPs. if I set an IP to the first nic, the settings get auto-applied on the second one. why?! using GNOME.
[07:49] <hateball> Razva: Do you mean that both NICs get the same IP?
[07:49] <hateball> or what are "the settings" in this case
[07:51] <Razva> hateball exactly, both nics get the same IP and I have no idea why.
[07:51] <Razva> if I set the LAN IP on the second one, the WAN will be changed. same with WAN -> LAN.
[07:52] <hateball> Razva: Weird. I don't run GNOME so I dunno why that might be
[07:52] <hateball> Razva: if you manipulate network-manager from a terminal, does it behave the same?
[07:52] <Razva> hateball yyyyyyyyup...
[07:53] <hateball> Razva: using nmcli, that is?
[07:55] <Razva> hateball I've just manually set the networking from cli and rebooted, let's see what's happening...
[08:16] <Razva> bah, didn't worked. reinstalling with Lubuntu. I need a browser on this specific server so...
[08:19] <hateball> Razva: network-manager is still the same, regardless what DE you use
[08:19] <hateball> Razva: and there'd be no need to reinstall, you could just apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[09:18] <Razva> hateball I've done a netinstall and choose Lubuntu, it works like a charm
[11:01] <hateball> Razva: weird. must be a bug in gnomes network manager frontend then
[11:01] <hateball> Razva: I use KDE Plasma and I have no problems using multiple NICs at least
[11:22] <LostSoul> Hi guy
[11:22] <LostSoul> It might be stupid question but how change default users group?
[11:23] <LostSoul> Or make sure all user will be in group X as I use domain login with lib-nss
[11:27] <bekks> Add the default user group to group X.
[11:33] <Walex2> LostSoul: "default users group" is a bit ambiguous.
[11:34] <Walex2> LostSoul: on *login* a user has a primary group defined in '/etc/passwd' and a list of secondary groups, all those listing the user name in '/etc/group'. They are all "default" groups.
[11:34] <LostSoul> I see
[11:34] <LostSoul> I want all AD users to be in certain group
[11:34] <Walex2> LostSoul: as to "make sure all user will be in group X" that depends on your use account management scripts. That's an administrative decision.
[11:35] <LostSoul> Hmm
[11:35] <LostSoul> I want all users that are able to login via AD to be in certain group
[11:35] <Walex2> LostSoul: that may depends on whether 'libnss' allows you to do that.
[11:36] <LostSoul> Second question is if there is bug in lib-nss as when I add more than X groups in ldap.conf then it starts connecting and getting users
[11:38] <Walex2> LostSoul: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication might help you
[11:38] <Walex2> LostSoul: "Assign local groups to users" section
[11:39] <LostSoul> Thanks Walex2
[11:40] <Walex2> LostSoul: also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/297408
[11:44] <LostSoul> Hmm
[11:44] <LostSoul> But still, is it normal than after adding more than 6-8 groups in ldap.conf it stops working?
[11:45] <bekks> Sounds like a lot of groups.
[11:48] <LostSoul> Hmm
[11:53] <LostSoul> I've added those lines to /etc/security/group.conf and also added other stuff to pam but seems user is still not in group I wanted him to be ;/
[11:59] <jamespage> coreycb, ddellav: hey - I pushed a load of changes to the neutron package - generaly tidy up and bug fixes
[11:59] <jamespage> coreycb, also reverted the agent/server mixup
[11:59] <jamespage> coreycb, not sure whether that bug is really relevant any longer...
[12:13] <Walex2> LostSoul: traditionally UNIX/Linux systems had a limit of 16 groups, and now most implementations support 256. But with AD could be lower limits.
[12:17] <koolhead17> hello world
[12:23] <LostSoul> Walex2: It's not user
[12:24] <LostSoul> I want to add AD matching (so that certain users can login via ssh on server)
[12:24] <LostSoul> so when I add more than 6-8 groups in ldap.conf it stops showing users (getent passwd)
[12:28] <bekks> LostSoul: do you get a specific error?
[12:36] <LostSoul> Nope
[12:36] <LostSoul> No error at all
[12:36] <bekks> Then how do you determine "it is not working"?
[12:36] <LostSoul> When I add more than X group mapping getend doesn't return AD users
[12:36] <LostSoul> Also I can't login :)
[12:36] <bekks> So you get a login error?
[12:37] <LostSoul> Yes
[12:38] <bekks> So this is wrong?: "< LostSoul> No error at all"
[12:39] <LostSoul> I mean it doesn't get users from AD when I add more than X mappping in ldap.conf
[12:39] <LostSoul> So it's not error as user is not searched in AD
[12:40] <LostSoul> when I add X mapping in ldap.conf and typing getend passwd - I'm getting user list (including AD users)
[12:40] <LostSoul> When I add X +1, then getent passwd returns only local users
[12:40] <LostSoul> So I'm wondering if there is a limit
[12:43] <bekks> And did you configure logging for ldap already and investigate the logs? Or even used strace?
[12:46] <Walex2> LostSoul: there is then probably a limit, but it would be surprising it is on the Linux side.
[12:47] <Walex2> LostSoul: you can use 'ldapsearch' or 'shelldap' to query the MS-AS LDAP server to see what it returns.
[12:58] <LostSoul> Walex2: assign group works - thanks!
[12:58] <LostSoul> But still this search ..
[12:59] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks for fixing up neutron
[12:59] <jamespage> coreycb, np
[12:59] <jamespage> just testing the upgrade path is ok and I'll upload
[13:37] <^King> hey
[13:38] <^King> How to check if a package is installed?
[13:39] <lordievader> ^King: dpk -l
[13:39] <lordievader> dpkg*
[13:39] <hateball> apt-cache policy <package>
[13:39] <bekks> apt-cache policy will do that job too
[14:15] <Razva> why in the world does autopilot installs Landscape on a LAN IP?! aaargh
[14:15] <Razva> is there any way to "move" it to an external IP?
[14:21] <^King> Hey, is it possible to change a account name on a ubuntu server?
[14:21] <^King> Similar to changing passwords with passwd
[14:23] <LostSoul> Walex2: Still around?
[14:23] <LostSoul> I was wondering if there is way to set up same home dir to all ldap users
[14:23] <sdeziel> ^King: usermod --login foo bar # renames bar to foo
[14:23] <sdeziel> ^King: man 8 usermod for details
[14:25] <saket_> my juju is putting landscape to private IP
[14:25] <saket_> how can I access it remotely
[14:26] <^King> sdeziel: Will that also change the dir name?
[14:27] <^King> /home/newusername/
[14:27] <sdeziel> ^King: no but if you pass it --move-home it will
[14:27] <sdeziel> ^King: you might also want to rename the primary group as well (groupmod)
[14:28] <^King> Then I'll just recreate a new username then.
[14:28] <^King> Create a new user*
[14:29] <saket_> hi
[14:29] <saket_> can anyone help me on landscape and juju
[14:45] <saket_> @dweaver, do you have exprience on JUJU and MAAS
[14:49] <LostSoul> Remind me which rc is loaded after ssh login to server?
[14:50] <Razva> jamespage can uou please help my colleague saket? we'r struggling with this here :)
[15:01] <jamespage> coreycb, neutron uploaded
[15:04] <LostSoul> Is there way to force pam other module to set home for all user to certain folder?
[15:05] <coreycb> jamespage, awesome, thanks again for the cleanup!  apologies for the cruft.
[15:06] <jamespage> coreycb, np
[15:06] <jamespage> coreycb, apologies for sending your on a red-herring task with switching out plugins for neutron-server
[15:06] <jamespage> as there is only ml2 in tree now...
[15:06] <coreycb> jamespage, ok gotcha
[15:06] <jamespage> coreycb, I have of course now broken neutron-openvswitch and neutron-gateway charms...
[15:07] <jamespage> I/we
[15:07] <coreycb> jamespage, heh, well that happens
[15:07] <coreycb> got to play catch up
[15:10] <LostSoul> ? :)
[15:49] <dweaver> saket_, Yes I do
[15:50] <dweaver> saket_, do you need some help with something?
[15:53] <^King> I can't install tk8.6, only 5. Why is that so?
[15:53] <^King> Only tk8.5
[17:27] <Razva> back
[17:27] <Razva> ok soooo can please somebody tell me if/how can we access the Landscape LAN IP from...our public range?
[17:28] <Razva> because Juju/AutoPilot setup a private IP, which obviously cannot be accessed from outside
[17:35] <jamespage> ddellav, coreycb: lots of oslo.* releases today :-)
[17:35] <coreycb> jamespage, ack thanks.  we're working through the clients today.
[17:36] <jamespage> Razva, its assumed that you have some access to the network that landscape and the cloud are being deployed to
[17:43] <Razva> jamespage yup, obviously :D
[17:43] <Razva> but tunneling through a proxy via Putty is not a good long-term solution :D
[17:43] <jamespage> agreed
[17:46] <Razva> soooo any hints?
[17:55] <Razva> ?
[18:21] <hallyn> anyone have a >=80cpu system they could use to run the testcase in bug 1358835 to verify bug 1535494 ?
[18:22] <hallyn> else i'll just verify that it acts sanely in a smaller vm
[18:26] <ddellav> jamespage good thing im doing those today then heh
[18:27] <jamespage> ddellav, +100!
[18:35] <Razva> jamespage sorry for bugging you, but can you please point us into the right direction?
[18:43] <Razva> anyone...?
[18:46] <sarnold> Razva: port forwarding on your firwall perhaps?
[18:47] <Razva> from where to where...?
[18:50] <sarnold> from whatever your public range is to whatever your private range is? :)
[18:50] <Razva> note: I'm using leased servers
[18:50] <Razva> aaaand I don't currently own a switch/router/firewall
[18:55] <sarnold> Razva: ah. then your hosting provider can probably lease you IP addresses too? I dunno how that bit works out..
[18:55] <teward> Razva: you need to talk to the hosting provider then to get guidance on how to forward ports on the infrastructure
[18:55] <teward> as well as IPs, etc.
[18:56] <jamespage> Razva, sorry - you caught me just as I had to head out for a bit
[18:57] <jamespage> Razva, can you explain how your servers are networked a bit (this may be a bit async as have to duck out again in a few minutes)
[18:58] <teward> jamespage: he may not know...
[18:58] <teward> [2016-02-22 13:50:27] <Razva> note: I'm using leased servers
[18:58] <teward> [2016-02-22 13:50:40] <Razva> aaaand I don't currently own a switch/router/firewall
[18:59] <jamespage> might be tricky to figure this out then...
[18:59] <teward> ^ that's why I suggested they reach out to the ones they lease from for some guidance on forwarding ports, etc. that way
[18:59] <teward> (it may be something that has to be done by the provider)
[18:59] <teward> (though that'd be highly irregular)
[19:23] <Razva> jamespage I have my own IP class + my own VLAN
[19:24] <Razva> each server has one nic connected to the public IP class + another nic connected to the vlan
[19:24] <Razva> at this point it seems that Landscape is installed into a LXE container on one of the machines (not on the maas machine), which I suppose it's ok
[19:25] <Razva> but now the problem is that...there's no real way to access Landscape from "outside", except doing a proxy/tunnel
[19:31] <Razva> aaaand problem #2
[19:32] <Razva> seems that Autopilot doesn't "wants" to setup a 5 node OpenStack cluster. everything is "green" but Cinder fails to deploy. saket_ is digging in the logs but he cannot find anything relevant. any hints?
[20:20] <Razva> [ERROR] Failed to upload leases: 'str' object has no attribute 'mac'
[20:20] <Razva> oh I really love this.
[20:20] <Razva> no documentation in this kind of issues, and minimal logs.
[21:00] <coreycb> ddellav, I dropped python-doc8 from ironicclient as it's not needed for package builds
[21:01] <ddellav> coreycb ack
[21:12] <coreycb> zul, jamespage, can you subscribe a team to python-requestsexceptions?
[21:22] <cluemann> Hello. I'm currently in the process of installing ubuntu server (15.10) on a machine that was a gentoo machine up until now. The machine has a raid6(dm_crypt(lvm)) disk layout. I'm not familiar with configuring raid/dm_crypt/lvm in the ubuntu installer and I'm afraid to play around because I can't afford to lose data on the disk.
[21:23] <cluemann> I'm in manual disk setup, and it recognizes the raid6 array but marks it as 'auto-read-only'. I'm unsure if using the 'Configure software raid' option will allow me to access the raid array read/write and if I can do so without losing data
[21:24] <cluemann> Could anyone provide some input on that please?
[21:27] <sdeziel> cluemann: IIRC, there should be no problem adopting your raid array and your dm-crypt setup
[21:32] <cluemann> I was indeed able to activate my md_crypt container and the logical volumes are now available.
[21:32] <cluemann> dm_crypt*
[21:38] <RoyK> cluemann: it's usually auto-read-only until something tries to write to it
[21:39] <cluemann> Oh okay thank you RoyK
[22:01] <coreycb> ddellav, for heatclient I think you just need to swap 3.4 with PYTHON3S in d/rules override_dh_auto_test
[22:01] <ddellav> coreycb ok i'll try that
[22:15] <jrajav> I have vsftpd set up for logging in as a user and r/w files
[22:16] <jrajav> Is there a way to point the anonymous login to that user for read only access?
[22:16] <cluemann> My installation is done and all my data is intact, thanks for the input! :)
[22:22] <hggdh> ogra_: there still? I have a question for you if you do not mind
[22:27] <wimpog> PCI compliance is failing on a server running Ubuntu Linux 14.04.2, specifically for CVE-2015-3185 and CVE-2015-3183. How can I verify these vulnerabilities are present and resolve them?
[22:28] <sdeziel> wimpog: according to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2015/CVE-2015-3185.html, all you need to do is pull apache2 version 2.4.7-1ubuntu4.5 or higher
[22:29] <wimpog> sdeziel: same thing for CVE-2015-3183?
[22:30] <sdeziel> yes
[22:30] <wimpog> Thank you!
[22:30] <sdeziel> you are welcome
[22:30] <wimpog> sdeziel: i just ran dpkg -l  | grep apache
[22:30] <wimpog> and I have 2.4.7-1ubuntu4.9
[22:31] <wimpog> or am I not checking it correctly?
[22:32] <sdeziel> wimpog: maybe the PCI checking engine is not aware that Ubuntu backported the fix from 2.4.16 upstream to Trusty's 2.4.7
[22:33] <wimpog> sdeziel: is dpkg -l the right way to verify the version?
[22:34] <sdeziel> wimpog: yes
[22:35] <wimpog> Thank you again! There is nothing else I could do here, isn't it?
[22:36] <wimpog> sdeziel:
[22:41] <sdeziel> wimpog: the apache2 service is restarted on package upgrades so it shouldn't use a binary older than the one provided by 2.4.7-1ubuntu4.9. If you want to be absolutely sure you are running the patched version you can use this: for p in $(pgrep apache2); do ls -l /proc/$p/exe; done | grep deleted
[22:41] <sdeziel> wimpog: if nothing is output you are all good (running the patched binary)
[22:42] <wimpog> sdeziel: thank you for this script. I get no output
[22:43] <sdeziel> wimpog: good. I have to go, have a good day|night
[22:43] <wimpog> Have a good day
[23:00] <{soma_coma}> Woke back up, how is everyone?


[02:22] <vibhav> Good Morning
[10:15] <pleia2> anyone available to do summaries?
[10:15] <pleia2> still need a lot
[14:14] <holstein> pleia2: im slammed til monday :/
[14:14] <holstein> pleia2: i get home late tonite and i'll try and pop in and have a look and bat cleanup on a few if i can
[14:15] <holstein> ive been doing this theater show.. 8 shows a week for 4 weeks, and today is the last show!
[14:27] <Silverlion> holstein: get home safe!
[14:27] <Silverlion> and a happy final show
[14:38] <pleia2> holstein: thanks :)
[15:06]  * vibhav takes a look at the remaining summaries
[15:08] <pleia2> looks like mostly need ones in blogosphere done
[15:08] <pleia2> I'm reviewing and copying the finished ones no
[15:08] <pleia2> w
[15:09] <vibhav> 1 one in press left
[15:09] <vibhav> and dholbach's leadership mini-summit at UDS
[15:09]  * pleia2 nods
[15:09] <vibhav> alrighty, lets do this
[15:09] <pleia2> thank you :)
[15:10] <vibhav> No mention
[15:11] <vibhav> Is it necessary to mention that gnombuntu is unofficial?
[15:13] <pleia2> generally we don't write anything that's not included in the article
[15:13] <vibhav> pleia2: Its mentioned in the article, "Ubuntu GNOME Remix is an unofficial Ubuntu flavor..."
[15:14] <vibhav> I think official is unnecessary
[15:14] <pleia2> ok, worth mentioning then
[15:14] <vibhav> unofficial*
[15:14] <vibhav> ah, thats fine then
[15:57] <pleia2> ok, looks like we just need the one under canonical news and a couple in other news
[15:58] <pleia2> I'm going to go be social (or at least try :))
[16:49] <vibhav> pleia2: Should I add http://blog.launchpad.net/general/private-projects-beta to Launchpad News?
[16:51] <pleia2> its there, already move to wiki
[16:51] <pleia2> have to put natty eol to it too
[16:52]  * pleia2 out to dinner
[16:52] <vibhav> pleia2: Move it to which wiki?
[16:58] <vibhav> ah, I got it


[04:03] <InHisName> Morning !
[04:35] <square-r00t> indeed it is
[06:22] <waltman> yup, morning
[06:24] <jthan> little early, no?
[06:26] <waltman> It's 7:30 here.
[06:27] <jthan> 1Where is here?
[06:27] <waltman> I'm in Ireland at a meeting for project I'm working on at Drexel
[06:27] <jthan> oh shit.
[06:27] <jthan> oh boy
[06:27] <jthan> NOW I DID IT
[06:27] <jthan> NOT FAMILY FRIENDLY
[06:27] <jthan> I'm running on like 2 hours of sleep -_-
[06:29] <waltman> fortunately everyone else in PA is asleep :)
[06:29] <waltman> I mean, JonathanD will be up in an hour or so...
[06:29] <jthan> Yeah he won't mind :-p
[06:29] <jthan> Am I allowed to know anything about afforementioned project?
[06:36] <waltman> It has to do with studying hematopoietic stem cell development and differentiation
[06:37] <waltman> people send us movies of blood cells growing under microscopes. we track them and build family trees.
[06:37] <waltman> this week we're meeting with the biologists who send us the movies.
[06:38] <jthan> are you a biologist?
[06:38] <waltman> No, we're all computer and ee people.
[06:38] <waltman> in my group, that is
[06:38] <jthan> Oh, that's what I thought.
[06:39] <waltman> if you saw my talk at fosscon I showed a little of what we do
[06:39]  * jthan doesn't want to talk about fosscon
[06:39] <jthan> :-p
[06:39] <waltman> that is the first rule of fosscon, after all
[06:40] <jthan> I wasn't able to attend
[06:40] <jthan> despite  planning to
[06:42] <waltman> ok, I've got to start getting ready for breakfast. later.
[06:45] <jthan> Later
[09:29] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:29] <JonathanD> hi waltman
[09:35] <rmg51> Morning
[09:48] <JonathanD> hi rmg51
[09:55] <rmg51> 0/
[09:56] <JonathanD> How goes?
[10:19] <waltman> JonathanD: yo
[10:47] <JonathanD> waltman: morning.
[11:03] <waltman> JonathanD: afternoon
[11:04] <JonathanD> Hows the weather over there.
[11:04] <waltman> It was lovely Tuesday and Wednesday. This morning it was a little drizzly.
[11:05] <waltman> Oh, and it's 60F
[11:07] <waltman> I'm in Maynooth, which is about 20 miles outside of Dublin.  I heard the weather wasn't so great yesterday.
[11:19] <JonathanD> it was rainy
[11:19] <JonathanD> still cloudy.
[11:25] <rmg51> still time to go to work :P
[12:12] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[13:28] <waltman> Well, my talk's over.
[16:01] <MutantTurkey> waltman: sounds awesome!
[16:01] <MutantTurkey> did you get to explore the castle at all?
[16:02] <MutantTurkey> what you are missing at drexel? Just the large copious amounts of pre-semester food giving out at various events
[16:20] <waltman> MutantTurkey: I've only paid for one meal since I got here.
[16:21] <waltman> the castle is quite small. well, what's left of it is.
[16:27] <MutantTurkey> hmm
[16:27] <MutantTurkey> seems cool!
[16:29] <waltman> Yesterday we saw some kids kicking a soccer ball against the wall :)
[16:29] <waltman> anyhow, we're finishing up here so I'm going offline soon.
[16:30] <MutantTurkey> enjoy


[01:00] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Focal 20.04.1] has been updated (20200730)
[01:01] <ryzen> kubuntu is running so smooth on this new laptop
[01:01] <ryzen> im loving this new laptop
[01:13] <mamarley> ryzen: I guess we don't need to ask what kind of CPU it has. :)
[01:13] <ryzen> lmao
[01:14] <ryzen> Host: phoenix-OS: Linux 5.4.0-42-generic/x86_64-Distro: Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS-CPU: 4 x AMD Ryzen 3 3250U with Radeon Graphics (1204.924 MHz)-Processes: 221-Uptime: 2d 9h 4m-Users: 4-Load Average: 0.20-Memory Usage: 2953.48MB/5957.96MB (-1.73%)-Disk Usage: 14.22GB/240.11GB (5.92%)
[01:14] <ryzen> its only the ryzen 3 but very nice
[01:14] <ryzen> no installation issues with kubuntu even
[01:15] <ryzen> i did have a bug tho where my touchpad wasnt clicking on touch, i had to disable and renable the option
[01:15] <ryzen> it cut out by itself
[01:15] <ryzen> but if i fixed the touchpad in system settings without editing anything else in there it saved the change
[01:16] <ryzen> but when i got to start editing other system prefs right after i changed the touchpad options it resorted back but still had my options checked
[01:16] <ryzen> so i had to open system prefers, disable then re-enable and close system preferences
[01:16] <ryzen> then load system pref back up and edit the rest of my stuff
[01:17] <ryzen> does kubuntu support fingerprint readers?
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:12] <mparillo> Howdy. Plasma 5.19.4 looking good on GG.
[12:43] <mamarley> Hmm, the entire build farm seems to be jammed up with snap packages taking hours to build.  I wonder what is up with that…
[13:20] <RikMills> santa_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkg-kde-tools/+bug/1889551