[06:26] <KazeNoBokusha> who wouldn't? those who like clutter? well if they really insist, gnome can be made to be cluttered, with some work
[06:26] <bronson> fsc: good one!
[06:26] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: A lot of people confuse clutter with control.
[06:27] <templest> Er, Hey hey? Anyone care to help me get ubuntu to completely unload XFree, and preferably dump me into a terminal login instead of gdm? :)
[06:27] <bronson> templest: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[06:27] <KazeNoBokusha> i can control most everything i want with gnome, and for what i can't, i'd rather ask in irc and hunt up a man page than deal with KDE
[06:27] <KazeNoBokusha> otoh, Gnome has no `G3b'
[06:27] <bronson> There's some way of using update-rc.d to make it permanent.
[06:28] <fsc> I used to think that the KDE clutter was not that big of a deal and technically, I still think KDE is better, but about 8 months ago I accidently logged into Gnome and haven't looked back.    Or, I wish I knew about it if there is.  :)
[06:28] <KazeNoBokusha> and `Gparted' isn't complete yet, either
[06:28] <bob2> templest: rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm
[06:28] <KazeNoBokusha> which is why knoppix makes a better cd than gnoppix, i hear
[06:28] <bronson> templest: the "stop" says stop now, doens't make it permanent.
[06:28] <bronson> bob2: yeah, that's easiest.
[06:28] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, there is
[06:28] <KazeNoBokusha> i think
[06:28] <linux_mafia> bronson, there is, its just not included, you can get it
[06:29] <templest> @bob2 & bronson: Thanks for the help. ;)
[06:29] <archi> My desktop resolution is fixed at 60 hz, I really need to up that. Please let me know which file to edit
[06:29] <KazeNoBokusha> archi, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:29] <archi> thanks
[06:29] <WW> SuperLag: Nothing yet?
[06:29] <fsc> archi, xfree86-4 probably. in /etc/X11
[06:30] <fsc> or XF86Config-4 like KazeNoBokusha said
[06:30] <linux_mafia> bronson, http://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/screenshots/runlevel.jpg
[06:30] <KazeNoBokusha> archi, but for me, ubuntu detected the manufacturer recommended defaults, it can do higher, of course, but dell thinks it would be unsafe
[06:30] <KazeNoBokusha> (dell made my monitor, or at least the casing)
[06:30] <bronson> linux_mafia: Hey groovy.  But I don't see a way of specifying runlevel...?
[06:31] <pizbit> bbs
[06:31] <SuperLag> WW: nope
[06:31] <KazeNoBokusha> linux_mafia, what app?
[06:31] <KazeNoBokusha> linux_mafia, aka what's the package name, or is it not in apt?
[06:31] <SuperLag> WW: <fabbione> SuperLag: it makes no difference other than for estetich
[06:31] <archi> It didn't detect my monitor correctly
[06:32] <archi> what do I have to do to get the changes to take?
[06:32] <KazeNoBokusha> archi, apt-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:32] <bronson> I just wrote the kernel by hand howto.
[06:32] <archi> ok thanks
[06:32] <bronson> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelByHandHowto
[06:32] <KazeNoBokusha> make sure you have monitor specs on hand
[06:32] <KazeNoBokusha> and choose the advanced option
[06:32] <bronson> But there's something in there that bugs me...
[06:32] <archi> well I just changed it by hand
[06:32] <archi> is that ok?
[06:32] <bronson> Didn't the 2.4 kernel manage symlinks for you, keeping vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old up to date.
[06:32] <bronson> ?
[06:33] <bronson> "make install" in 2.6 doesn't seem to do that.
[06:33] <KazeNoBokusha> archi, what did you change?
[06:33] <archi> the frequencies
[06:33] <archi> for horizontal and verticle
[06:33] <bronson> It just drops the new vmlinuz into /boot and makes you update the symlinks by hand.
[06:33] <bronson> Am I missing something here?
[06:33] <jgeorgeson> daniels: so that grub option doesn't help me
[06:33] <KazeNoBokusha> archi, well apt-reconfigure gives you more control, but do as you will
[06:33] <WW> SuperLag: Sure, esthetics... and, for the next six months, questions here and in the mailing list every time a kernelly challenged newb like myself installs Ubuntu :-)
[06:34] <daniels> jgeorgeson: i've no idea, then -- try google?
[06:34] <daniels> it's different on every laptop
[06:34] <jgeorgeson> fsc: which features did you enable with the synaptics driver?
[06:34] <SuperLag> WW: kernelly challenged? o.O
[06:34] <joem> jamesh: around?
[06:34] <KazeNoBokusha> how do i disable laptop and RAID and LVM stuff from starting up?
[06:34] <jgeorgeson> daniels: yeah, i've read over acpi.sf.net and on the linux-dell-laptops yahoo group and have come up with an impressive array of nuthin
[06:34] <archi> do I want framebuffer device interface?
[06:35] <KazeNoBokusha> archi, most likely
[06:35] <WW> SuperLag: "kernelly challenged" = ignorant
[06:35] <jgeorgeson> pretty irritating when the latitude c400 worked beatifully, including the BIOS hibernate function
[06:35] <WW> SuperLag: kernel-wise, anyway
[06:36] <linux_mafia> KazeNoBokusha, sorry, doing other shit, not sure what app, just a part of gnome system tools iirc, googling would be in order i think ;)
[06:36] <KazeNoBokusha> linux_mafia, OK
[06:37] <WW> SuperLag: I guess Hoary will have a boot splash, and someone like me can remain blissfully ignorant.
[06:37] <Sup3rL4g> WW: in my opinion, that's the wrong response.
[06:38] <jgeorgeson> WW: do you know if it will be like the suse bootsplash or RH's rhgb?
[06:38] <jamesh> joem: yeah.
[06:38] <Pizbit> Argh ><
[06:38] <jdub> jgeorgeson: it ends up being more like rhgb
[06:39] <joem> jamesh: got a quick question about a certain gnome-vfs behavior in ubuntu, figure you can probably answer it
[06:39] <KazeNoBokusha> weird, i'm running kernel 2.6.8, but the newest kernel in apt is 2.6.7 :(
[06:39] <jdub> jgeorgeson: but cooler than both (and definitely without kernel patch mania, like bootsplash)
[06:39] <jgeorgeson> jdub: nice, i think rhgb is much nicer (no real reason why though)
[06:39] <WW> Sup3rL4g: Sure, but until kernel developers stop printing things like "error", "fatal", "wrong type", "bogus", etc during the boot, how is a newb supposed to know what's OK or what's broken?
[06:39] <SuperL4g> WW: remaining ignorant is never the right response
[06:39] <Pizbit> Ahh, there:)
[06:39] <SuperL4g> WW: read, and learn
[06:39] <jamesh> joem: I'll give it a shot :)
[06:39] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: You sure you're searching on linux-image, not kernel-image?
[06:40] <KazeNoBokusha> i'm searching kernel-source
[06:40] <jdub> jgeorgeson: yeah, me too
[06:40] <jgeorgeson> SuperL4g: well, if everything is working, i'd rather have a pretty progress bar. when stuff breaks,i can turn it off and learn why
[06:40] <KazeNoBokusha> even this mentions source 2.6.8 http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelBuildpackageHowto
[06:40] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: search on linux-source.
[06:40] <KazeNoBokusha> weird, you're right
[06:41] <joem> jamesh: on other distros, I have noticed gnome-vfs with hal runs into trouble with nfs and lvm mounted partitions
[06:41] <KazeNoBokusha> the guide mentions kernel-source though, i don't know why. and i don't know why it's changed
[06:41] <jamesh> jgeorgeson: rhgb also drops to the detailed view on some (most?) errors.
[06:41] <bronson> kernel-source is Debian, linux-source is Ubunut.
[06:41] <jgeorgeson> jamesh: true
[06:41] <jgeorgeson> hehe, ubunut
[06:41] <joem> the example in this case being nothing is shown in trash:// while ~/.trash is populated
[06:41] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: which guide?
[06:41] <joem> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156018 upstream bug
[06:41] <SuperL4g> any of you guys put 2.6.9 on your Ubuntu installs?
[06:41] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelBuildpackageHowto
[06:41] <jdub> no, the default kernel tastes better
[06:42] <bob2> SuperL4g: ubuntu's kernel includes tooooooooooons of stuff not in kernel.org kernels
[06:42] <KazeNoBokusha> jdub, especially when you add cheese
[06:42] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: Erm, I don't see it.  I should hope not because I just wrote that this morning.  :)
[06:42] <joem> but ubuntu doesn't have that problem, and was wondering if you knew where it was patched, if it was somehow pmount/policy related
[06:42] <SuperL4g> bob2: oh? do tell
[06:42] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, what don't you see?
[06:42] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, oh must be dislexia, you're right
[06:42] <KazeNoBokusha> it does say linux-source
[06:43] <bob2> SuperL4g: patches for lots of hardware...I wouldn't move to 2.6.9 unless you want to go track down everything for your system manually
[06:43] <jamesh> joem: our gnome-vfs isn't compiled with HAL support
[06:44] <joem> oh, well that would answer it then :)
[06:44] <SuperL4g> bob2: not on Ubuntu anyways. :)
[06:44] <KazeNoBokusha> here's a question: why does ubuntu not have a root account?
[06:44] <joem> thanks much jamesh
[06:44] <SuperL4g> bob2: I updated to it on my Gentoo box, because there were a lot of fixes for my motherboard chipset.
[06:44] <Treenaks> KazeNoBokusha: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/
[06:45] <jamesh> joem: the HAL code in gnome-vfs isn't really finished yet, from what I have heard.
[06:46] <joem> yea, thats what it is looking like. gnome-vfs only seems to do physical volume with hal
[06:48] <taer> ok, just read about ubuntu on lwn.. amazing.. Easy question. I'm assuming the upgrade between versions will be easy like Debian?
[06:48] <bob2> taer: yes
[06:48] <bronson> taer: Debian -> Ubuntu, no.  Ubuntu -> Ubuntu, yes.
[06:49] <KazeNoBokusha> if i have an athlon xp, do i want linux-686?
[06:49] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: It should work, but it won't be optimized.
[06:49] <bronson> 686 is 32 bit.
[06:49] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: no, k7.
[06:49] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, i have a 32 bit proc
[06:49] <taer> right.. I'm thinking of some remote server builds, and can't afford the costs of updates for a RHEL product. Was thinking debian, and then I hear of this. :)
[06:49] <bob2> bronson: so is a athlon xp.
[06:49] <bronson> duh.
[06:49] <bronson> OK, it's late.  :)
[06:49] <bronson> Right, XP wants K7.
[06:50] <KazeNoBokusha> what's late? by xp, do you mean windows? if so, why would it want k7?
[06:50] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: no one said anything about windows.
[06:51] <eclipse> hi, i'd like to know does ubuntu 4.10 use x.org or xfree?
[06:51] <bronson> It's late so I'm not thinking straight.  An Athlon XP is not 64 bit proc.
[06:51] <linux_mafia> no, k7 == athlon xp k8 == amd 64
[06:51] <bob2> eclipse: xfree86 4.3 + a ton of patches
[06:51] <Pizbit> Hrm, is it possible to get something smaller instead of "Applications Computer" intot he taskbar that gives the same menus?
[06:51] <eclipse> ok
[06:51] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, what's this about XP wants K7?
[06:51] <bob2> Pizbit: don't think so.
[06:51] <KazeNoBokusha> oh i see
[06:51] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: Athlon XP.
[06:51] <Pizbit> Argh, crazy talk:)
[06:51] <linux_mafia> he
[06:51] <eclipse> does it use rpm or apt-get?
[06:51] <KazeNoBokusha> k7 is not athlon 64
[06:51] <bob2> eclipse: apt.
[06:52] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: right.
[06:52] <bob2> eclipse: it's based on Debian, remember.
 no, k7 == athlon xp k8 == amd 64
[06:52] <eclipse> ok, nice
[06:52] <KazeNoBokusha> he seems to think otherwise
[06:52] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: what is wrong with what linux_mafia said?
[06:52] <linux_mafia> KazeNoBokusha, thats what i said
[06:52] <bronson> who me?    I've tried divx, xvid, various mpegs, wmvs, etc...all of these work in totem under gentoo so i know it's possible on an amd64 - any ideas?
[06:58] <sp0rk> eclipse, nope =P
[06:59] <linux_mafia> bob2, no i think they want people who get the top end sempron, there is only one socket 9xx sempron, too go "oh, i have the mobo to support a 64 bit chip, and this isn't fast to send an email, i may as well have a 64 bit"
[06:59] <KazeNoBokusha> eclipse, unless you use dee3 with winamp, i wish there were something similar for xmms or rhythmbox :(
[06:59] <bob2> haha
[06:59] <bob2> sp0rk: read the FAQ
[06:59] <eclipse> lol...reason y is i'm an audiophile guy and i do notice the diff.
[06:59] <bob2> sp0rk: install totem-xine
[06:59] <sp0rk> right-o
[06:59] <sp0rk> thanks.
[06:59] <KazeNoBokusha> eclipse, besides, they are just decoding the mp3 and outputting it to the speakers, if you don't enhance the sound, it should sound the same
[07:00] <sp0rk> eclipse, i do know that it's easier to max our certain channels under linux and get minor distortion
[07:00] <KazeNoBokusha> as in, exactly the same
[07:00] <Despair> KazeNoBokusha: drivers do different things
[07:00] <eclipse> i guess xmms has better decoders
[07:00] <Despair> mixer settings.
[07:00] <Despair> and yes, the mp3 decoders vary.
[07:00] <KazeNoBokusha> then it's not winamp or xmms, it's the kernel
[07:00] <eclipse> just like wmp sounds better than winamp
[07:00] <KazeNoBokusha> hmm, well i don't know then
[07:01] <sp0rk> eclipse, i think its qualitative on your end man =P
[07:01] <Despair> most musicians & audio programmers I know think libmad sounds better than most other mp3 decoders
[07:01] <KazeNoBokusha> i really wish there were a sound enhancer like dee3 on linux
[07:01] <Despair> for whatever that's worth. :)
[07:01] <eclipse> libmad?
[07:01] <eclipse> i can use that with xmms?
[07:01] <Despair> yeah. xmms-mad plugin
[07:03] <eclipse> Despair: r u running ubuntu?
[07:03] <Despair> yes
[07:04] <sp0rk> btw, i really dig ubuntu.  gj to all the devs
[07:04] <eclipse> like it?
[07:05] <Despair> it's got it's rough spots, but yes, I do.
[07:05] <eclipse> alright that's cool
[07:06] <eclipse> i used the beta like a few weeks ago but i didn't like that much cause it had some bugs
[07:07] <eclipse> can u use xfs filesystem on the current ubuntu?
[07:07] <sp0rk> it's a beta, eclipse, it's going to have some bugs =P
[07:07] <Despair> eclipse: I think I have xfstools installed.   I run the nvidia drivers with a 2.6 kernel..
[07:10] <Pizbit> sp0rk: Mine locks up/reboots my machine when using the card extensively, such as watching tv
[07:10] <eclipse> kaze, what card do u have?
[07:10] <sp0rk> Pizbit, mine works perfectly well...weird.  That's on gentoo, though
[07:10] <sp0rk> i haven't tried them in ubuntu
[07:10] <KazeNoBokusha> eclipse, and All In Wonder Radeon...it's PCI, SDR SGRAM, with a Radeon 7200 chipset
[07:10] <Pizbit> sp0rk: This is debian-sarge/sid and ubuntu
[07:11] <Pizbit> Various 2.6.x kernels.
[07:11] <sp0rk> Though my card doesn't have TV-in, so if there's a bug there I wouldn't have to swat at it
[07:11] <eclipse> i know that they don't have good ati drivers for linux
[07:11] <Pizbit> I don't have that either.
[07:12] <eclipse> by the way, can u install nvidia driver onto ubuntu?
[07:12] <sp0rk> eclipse, sure, you might have to do it by hand, but its possible.
[07:12] <sp0rk> it *is* linux, after all
[07:12] <eclipse> try
[07:12] <bronson> eclipse: the answer is in the wiki.
[07:12] <KazeNoBokusha> eclipse, actually, i'm not using radeon drivers, ati provides them only for 8500 and up, i'm using built in X module, that's as far as my radeon specific support goes.
[07:13] <eclipse> i think nvidia driver works perfectly without hacking is when ur running rh, suse, or mandrake
[07:14] <eclipse> ok, have to tried to look up drivers online?
[07:14] <eclipse> kaze, u should try to look it up on google or something
[07:15] <jdub> the nvidia and ati drivers are available in ubuntu already
[07:15] <sp0rk> eclipse, since i was curious i looked it up myself: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?action=highlight&value=nvidia
[07:15] <KazeNoBokusha> eclipse, no, there are no drivers for a card old as mine, you see
[07:15] <KazeNoBokusha> eclipse, it's just what's built into X
[07:16] <eclipse> ol i c
[07:17] <xinel> well ive been reading the forums and i can't find an answer for my sound problem :(
[07:17] <eclipse> spork, but it's a hacked nvidia driver
[07:18] <sp0rk> "hacked" ?
[07:18] <eclipse> yes
[07:18] <eclipse> cause u can't install it if u d/l of nvidia.com
[07:19] <KazeNoBokusha> who are the three people in the ubuntu artwork?
[07:19] <sp0rk> so...whats wrong with it being adapted if it still works?
[07:20] <eclipse> just wanted to let u know
[07:20] <xinel> cannot get my sound card to work or my onboard sound
[07:21] <sp0rk> and i'm pretty sure you can install the driver right off of nvidia.com, it might not be easy, but you can do it.
[07:22] <sp0rk> i don't know what you would want to - it's always better to use the system's package manager to install stuff.
[07:22] <jdub> why do you want the non-ubuntu nvidia driver?
[07:22] <sp0rk> i don't.
[07:22] <KazeNoBokusha> yeah, why? ubuntu not good enough? you feel strange urges to use non-Free software? what's the matter with you?
[07:22] <KazeNoBokusha> lol
[07:23] <Despair> What's the work around for nvidia-settings crashing on amd64? Don't see that in the ubuntu wiki.
[07:23] <eclipse> oh, can u log in as root in ubuntu?
[07:24] <bob2> eclipse: yes, but not by default
[07:24] <sp0rk> Despair, anything you can set in nvidia-settings you can also manually set in /etc/X11/XF86Config
[07:24] <Despair> but not on the fly
[07:24] <eclipse> XF86Config-4 to be exact
[07:24] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, yeah, the faq isn't very helpful either. for the question `how do i become root?' it just says use sudo and says nothing about enabling root
[07:24] <Despair> think you can do it with env vars, too, though.
[07:25] <cadam> hey all sorry for the incoming noob questions but I've never used a debian based distro before and have some questions before I take the dive
[07:25] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:25] <jdub> eclipse: you can't log in as root, but you can get to a root shell with sudo -s (or just run things normally with sudo)
[07:25] <jdub> cadam: fire away, don't ask to ask ;)
[07:25] <eclipse> jdub: that sucks
[07:26] <cadam> how do you get the nvidia drivers to work out of the box? (I've only ever compiled my own each time)
[07:26] <jdub> eclipse: it's great!
[07:26] <eclipse> that's the reason y i tried ubuntu once and threw the burned cd away
[07:26] <jdub> eclipse: you mean, you couldn't figure out how to set root's password, so you gave up?
[07:26] <bob2> eclipse: that's stupid
[07:26] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, i don't need it, i'm just saying the faq's not helpful when it's supposed to answer the question `How do I use the root account?'
[07:26] <bob2> eclipse: http://www.postgresql.org/news/231.html
[07:27] <cadam> I meant compiled my own kernel each time
[07:27] <bob2> eclipse: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:27] <jdub> disabling root is rocking
[07:27] <bob2> cadam: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:27] <eclipse> everyone in here should try KANOTIX linux
[07:27] <bob2> is that Yet Another Knoppix CLone?
[07:27] <eclipse> i know that but why can't i log in as root?
[07:27] <Pizbit> You can.
[07:27] <cadam> oooo well that helps
[07:27] <bob2> eclipse: because you didn't enable the root account
[07:27] <jdub> eclipse: by default? because we've set it up a better way so you don't have to. but you can change that if you can
[07:27] <opi> eclipse: because it's diabled
[07:27] <jdub> 't handle it.
[07:27] <bob2> eclipse: read the URL I just gave you
[07:28] <cadam> thanks
[07:28] <bob2> cadam: no need to compile anything!
[07:28] <eclipse> i own the damn system right so i should have the right
[07:28] <bob2> eclipse: then enable it.
[07:28] <bob2> eclipse: everyone wins!
[07:28] <jdub> eclipse: erm, you do.
[07:28] <opi> eclipse: every heard about sudo?
[07:28] <opi> eclipse: you can even do sudo -s to get root shell
[07:28] <jdub> eclipse: perhaps asking questions before flaming would help.
[07:29] <eclipse> yeah, sudo -S apt-get
[07:29] <opi> eclipse: READ something, ok?
[07:29] <opi> eclipse: sudo -s
[07:29] <jdub> flaming is off-topic for this channel ;-)
[07:29] <bob2> unless it's of daniels
[07:29] <eclipse> i prob. know more than u, opi
[07:29] <sp0rk> ouch.
[07:29] <opi> eclipse: oh, oh
[07:29] <KazeNoBokusha> why does everyone say athalon?
[07:29] <sp0rk> this is getting ugly.
[07:29] <KazeNoBokusha> and spell it that way, to boot
[07:30] <opi> eclipse: if you know so mutch, stop asking stupid questions, ok?
[07:30] <opi> eclipse: start by reading FAQ and Wiki
[07:30] <bob2> eclipse: chill, dude
[07:30] <bronson> jdub: I instigated this very discussion last night...
[07:30] <sp0rk> just so you know, eclipse, the nvidia driver works PERFECTLY in ubuntu, "hacked" or not.
[07:30] <sp0rk> lol
[07:30] <eclipse> did i ask u?
[07:30] <bronson> jdub: I'm afraid we'll continue to see it until "WHY" no root login is answered in the faq...
[07:30] <opi> eclipse: and it's you not u, mister smart guy ;->
[07:30] <eclipse> that's what i thought
[07:30] <bob2> eclipse: please calm down.  if you want to login as root, you can; read the URL I gave  you.
[07:31] <bob2> bronson: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo has a "why".
[07:31] <eclipse> ever heard of shortcut?
[07:31] <eclipse> i guess ur too dump to figure that out
[07:31] <sp0rk> too dump, indeed
[07:31] <bronson> bob2: I know.  But it needs to be in the FAQ.
[07:31] <cadam> how are the fonts?
[07:31] <opi> yeah
[07:31] <jdub> dudes
[07:31] <bob2> eclipse: can you stop being so aggressive and "dump"?
[07:31] <jdub> no more of this thanks
[07:31] <KazeNoBokusha> eclipse, yes, he's too dump
[07:31] <jdub> cadam: great
[07:32] <sp0rk> jdub, i think it's pretty entertaining, actually
[07:32] <KazeNoBokusha> i hate dump people, always going through my trash
[07:32] <bob2> jdub: ok to add a link from the faq to the "benfits" section of the wiki?
[07:32] <jdub> sp0rk: it's not appropriate for this channel
[07:32] <cadam> ok cool that's my main complaint in slackware
[07:32] <jdub> bob2: sure
[07:32] <jdub> bob2: we should probably shift that all to the website or something though
[07:32] <sp0rk> jdub, i agree, but still man...he called the guy "dump"
[07:32] <opi> sp0rk: ;->
[07:33] <bob2> jdub: hm, that sounds more like a non-bob2 job
[07:33] <eclipse> ok, i guess i gotta jet cuz these geeks r too stupid
[07:33] <sp0rk> sometimes you just gotta let them get all their adolecent aggression out and sit back and laugh
[07:33] <jdub> bob2: and non-jdub job ;)
[07:33] <KazeNoBokusha> eclipse, that or they're just having fun at your expense
[07:33] <jdub> dudes
[07:33] <jdub> however entertaining it might be
[07:33] <jdub> please don't encourage it
[07:33] <opi> yes, we know, we know
[07:33] <KazeNoBokusha> err, sorry
[07:34] <jdub> it only results in escalation, which is not what we want
[07:34] <opi> but if something starts from ,,I know more than u''
[07:34] <jdub> opi: no but.
[07:34] <opi> ok, sorry :)
[07:34] <cadam> ok just a question
[07:34] <sp0rk> i had a bad feeling about him the first minute i read something he typed
[07:34] <TheMuso> It could also result in the loss of one or more possible users of Ubuntu.
[07:34] <cadam> why include all the python stuff but not gcc?
[07:34] <jdub> cadam: gcc is supported, and on the cd, but not installed by default
[07:34] <bob2> cadam: it's on the CD, tho.
[07:34] <opi> cadam: Python is requred by few things
[07:35] <sp0rk> cadam, python is an interpreted language, some of the stuff installed by default requires a working installation of python
[07:35] <opi> cadam: while you don't need GCC if you're not going to compile anything
[07:35] <cadam> ah ok
[07:35] <sp0rk> python programs are a differnt beast than, say, a c program
[07:35] <cadam> makes sense
[07:35] <cadam> yeah I know I program in both
[07:35] <opi> lucky you :)
[07:35] <jdub> cadam: (it ends up being a policy issue -> many people would not want a compiler available on a default desktop install, etc.)
[07:35] <cadam> I was just wondering why all the python stuff by default
[07:36] <cadam> yeah
[07:36] <jdub> cadam: the python stuff is all there because we intend to make ubuntu live and breathe python :)
[07:36] <cadam> lol
[07:36] <Pizbit> mmmm python:)
[07:36] <cadam> python is good
[07:36] <opi> cadam: Im reading python docs atm ;)
[07:36] <Pizbit> There's python bindings for gnome2.8 isn't there?
[07:36] <jdub> Pizbit: yes, all there by default
[07:36] <sp0rk> Pizbit, yup
[07:36] <opi> Pizbit: GTK, you mean?
[07:36] <cadam> I actually just started programming python about a month ago
[07:36] <Pizbit> opi: Nah, gnome
[07:37] <opi> cadam: I have it on my TODO list, but my projects at work are killing me :(
[07:37] <cadam> any god-like books on python out there :)?
[07:37] <jdub> cadam: 'dive into python'
[07:37] <x4m> dive into python
[07:37] <opi> Pizbit: ok, Im not mutch into Gnome, so I asked
[07:37] <cadam> I have Learning Python and Python Cookbook
[07:37] <cadam> what's good in dive into python?
[07:37] <tritium> Are the "shipit" CDs already shipping?
[07:38] <bob2> tritium: no, they'll reach you in ~month
[07:38] <tritium> bob2: Great!
[07:39] <cadam> alright I'll install tomorrow
[07:39] <cadam> right now I'm going to sleep
[07:39] <cadam> thanks for all the help
[07:41] <WW> Hello world.
[07:41] <World> Hello WW
[07:41] <bob2> ubuntuised, WW?
[07:41] <WW> Quick question: how do I customize the Applications menu? (I know I can use Nautilus, I just forget the protocol.)
[07:41] <bob2> applicationsL///
[07:42] <bob2> er, : not L
[07:42] <Despair> jdub: same for twisted framework?
[07:42] <WW> bob2: Ah, that's it. Thanks.
[07:42] <bob2> twisted is installed by default?
[07:42] <bob2> hah.
[07:42] <WW> bob2: (clever name)
[07:42] <WW> bob2: applications, that is. And... what color was G.W.'s white horse?
[07:43] <bronson> bob2: hit ^L and type in applications/// ?
[07:43] <bronson> Didn't work for me.  (I'm using Spatial)
[07:43] <bob2> WW: brown?
[07:43] <bronson> got it.
[07:43] <bronson> Needs a colon.
[07:43] <Gmail> morin
[07:43] <bob2> hm, and it actually works
[07:43] <bob2> I've never actually used it
[07:44] <Gmail> ok so i should delete ./.g*? becuse i dont want my xchat setting to be lost (in case i dont stay with irssi)?
[07:44] <WW> Hmmm... It is "applications:///" with the quotes?
[07:45] <bob2> WW: no
[07:45] <bob2> ctrl-l applications:///<enter>
[07:45] <Gmail> WW: it should be applications:/
[07:45] <Gmail> there are to many // there
[07:45] <Gmail> well at lest in gnome 2.6 on debian
[07:46] <WW> It tells me applications is not a registered protocol.
[07:47] <bob2> it worked for me right now
[07:48] <bronson> WW: you're entering into Nautilus and not a web browser right?
[07:48] <Gmail> WW: install the package beging with mime*
[07:48] <Gmail> which should be mime-type-support mime-ubuntu ....
[07:49] <WW> bronson: I just figured that out...  (where's that icon that means "embarassed"...?)
[07:50] <bronson> Yeah, I needed that 20 minutes ago myself...
[07:50] <WW> By the way, pretty cool animation at NCSA (which is where you end up if you enter applications/ in Firefox)
[07:54] <Gmail> what does application:/// do it firefox
[07:55] <bob2> Gmail: it says "wow, that's not a valid url, let's google it."
[07:55] <Gmail> lol
[07:57] <Gmail> i did rm -r ./.g* and gnome STILL doesnt start
[07:57] <Gmail> is there any other old profile files that start with something other than g?
[07:59] <Gmail> filesafe gnome also doesnt start gnome
[08:00] <WW> I have a program (matlab) that I can run from the command line (with &) and it shows a graphics splash and then opens its own window.
[08:01] <WW> Never mind, I'll do some more reading and ask later...
[08:01] <bob2> Gmail: create a new user. can they login?
[08:02] <Gmail> i enabled root by sudo root passwd or was it sudo passwd root, and i cant use it to login using gdm. there is an option in gdm config to not allow root to login
[08:02] <bob2> don't login to gnome as root
[08:02] <bob2> just don't.
[08:02] <Gmail> is there a nobody user in ubuntu that i can use bob2?
[08:03] <bob2> what are you trying to do now?
[08:03] <bob2> if you're doing what I said, read it again
[08:03] <bob2> "create a new user"
[08:03] <Gmail> or does someone want to sorten up man add-user for me
[08:04] <bob2> "adduser id10t"
[08:04] <Gmail> bob2: why cant i use nobody it not like he has a profile
[08:04] <bob2> because that's not what the nobody user is for
[08:04] <Gmail> bob2: and i can change id10t to what ever i want
[08:05] <Gmail> well that what it was for in manbrake to login as anon-e-mouse
[08:07] <Gmail> ok i added test
[08:08] <Gmail> i loged in it using gdm, it goes to a bronish screen just like with my normal account
[08:09] <Gmail> btw with my normal user i cound login just it will goto a bronwish screen no bootsplash
[08:09] <Gmail> i can move my mouse
[08:09] <bob2> bootsplash has nothing to do with logging in
[08:09] <bob2> in fact, ubuntu doesn't have bootsplash at all
[08:09] <Gmail> yea yea
[08:09] <Gmail> 0_0
[08:10] <Pizbit> I think Gmail means a login splash
[08:10] <bob2> you're just confusing the issue by using incorrect jargon
[08:10] <bob2> Pizbit: I know
[08:10] <bob2> Gmail: how long do you want?
[08:10] <bob2> er, wait.
[08:10] <Gmail> the splah screen that shows when you login in gdm after 3 seconds
[08:11] <Gmail> it doesnt show at all in any of my users
[08:11] <bob2> yes, leave it for a few minutes.
[08:12] <Gmail> i am not on a p2 i am on a p4 2.8Ghc HT PRESCOT on debian it take 4 seconds to login AT MAX
[08:12] <cef_work> ok 'can't open dev/console' just after pivot-root on amd64... on the release iso
[08:12] <bob2> Gmail: just chill out and leave it for a few minutes.
[08:13] <Gmail> cef_work: i had the same problem with debian and a 2.6 kernel report a bug
[08:13] <bob2> Gmail: there's a bug with some sound cards where it can take a while.
[08:13] <cef_work> Gmail: is there are workaround? this is a new install
[08:13] <Gmail> hasnt it been a few min
[08:13] <cef_work> are = a
[08:14] <bob2> Gmail: just chill, you need to stop panicking so much.  let it sit for a while.
[08:14] <Gmail> cef_work: i installed from d-i alpha sid nightly 6-8 mounts ago
[08:14] <Gmail> cef_work: but it is a fixed bug now
[08:15] <cef_work> Gmail: in debian perhaps.. but this is ubuntu
[08:15] <Gmail> cef_work: maybe goto #debian-boot and tell them you are having the same problem as Gmail/GNU-Debian
[08:16] <Gmail> cef_work: ubuntu uses d-i
[08:16] <bob2> Gmail: are you on amd64?
[08:16] <Gmail> bob2: on p4
[08:16] <Daidoji> hello !
[08:16] <cef_work> bob2: I'm on amd64..
[08:16] <bob2> Gmail: then why do you think it's the same problem?
[08:16] <Gmail> i had the same error message
[08:16] <WW> In a terminal, the environment variable DISPLAY is :0.0.  Will DISPLAY be defined for a program run from a launcher in the Applications Menu?
[08:16] <bob2> cef_work: yeah.  mithrandir or Kamion are the people to bug, but both are asleep atm...
[08:16] <Gmail> they told me it goto do with / before dev/console
[08:16] <bob2> WW: yes.
[08:17] <WW> bob2: OK, thanks.
[08:17] <Gmail> cef_work: you are sure it doesnt show /dev/console and only shows dev/console ?
[08:18] <Gmail> dev/console should be /dev/console giving you the whole error
[08:19] <Gmail> bob2: btw the error he is having is not a hardware related
[08:19] <L3th3M_> hi o all!
[08:19] <Daidoji> *(could someone help me about an internet connection pb with ubuntu please ^^ ?)
[08:19] <Gmail> gnome still hasnt loaded
[08:19] <Daidoji> hi L3th3M_
[08:19] <L3th3M_> I have a bug!
[08:19] <L3th3M_> on my ubuntu fist time-installed
[08:19] <Gmail> L3th3M_: report it to bugzilla
[08:20] <bob2> L3th3M_: what's the problem?
[08:20] <L3th3M_> where?
[08:20] <bronson> Daidoji: why not just ask?
[08:20] <Gmail> L3th3M_: first say it here
[08:20] <Gmail> Daidoji: you use PPPoE? then use pppoeconf
[08:21] <bob2> Daidoji: what's the problem?
[08:21] <Daidoji> bronson : don't want ennoye everyone :P. I have a sagem fast 800 usb modem, and couldn't find how i could use it on my ubuntu
[08:21] <L3th3M_> when I want open any configuration tools (so synaptic, network, etc)...
[08:21] <L3th3M_> the system ask me the root password
[08:21] <bob2> Daidoji: does it use the eagle drivers?
[08:21] <L3th3M_> I give it
[08:21] <Pizbit> Hrm, *much* impoved 'open with' :)
[08:21] <bob2> L3th3M_: no it doesn't, it asks for *your* password
[08:21] <L3th3M_> but It say me that the password i wrong
[08:21] <bob2> L3th3M_: it's not a bug, it's a feature
[08:21] <bronson> Daidoji: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/143.html
[08:21] <L3th3M_> but
[08:22] <Daidoji> erf... it's the first time for me to use really a gnome desktop, and i am afraid i am lose in it :( ... Eagle driver ?
[08:22] <L3th3M_> If I open configuration tool by terminal
[08:22] <bob2> Daidoji: have you used linux before?
[08:22] <L3th3M_> it ask me the password root, I give it, and don be problem
[08:22] <Gmail> bob2: it cound be a bug it he is login in as root i saw it since 2.4 but it just a gksu problem
[08:22] <Daidoji> bob2 : yes, a little. below average user i 'll say.
[08:22] <bronson> Daidoji: click on the link.  Hope you can read French.  ;)
[08:22] <bob2> L3th3M_: what do you mean, "by terminal"?
[08:22] <Daidoji> bronson : thank for the link, i'll see it:)
[08:23] <bob2> L3th3M_: anyway, when you run synaptic from the menu, it asks for your password, not root's.
[08:23] <L3th3M_> oh....
[08:23] <Daidoji> bronson : i am french, so no pb :)
[08:23] <L3th3M_> yes
[08:23] <bronson> Daidoji: looks like the Eagle driver is included in 2.6.
[08:23] <L3th3M_> I chilean
[08:23] <bob2> Daidoji: I belive ubuntu includes the drivers you need...
[08:23] <Gmail> L3th3M_: chilean?
[08:23] <bob2> Daidoji: hrm, maybe not.
[08:24] <Daidoji> on the device panel, i see my modem
[08:24] <L3th3M_> I most write user password for the system opening the synaptic
[08:24] <Daidoji> but on 'new connection' no usb device access :(
[08:24] <bob2> L3th3M_: yes.
[08:24] <bob2> Daidoji: have you tried running the "pppoeconf" program in a terminal?
[08:24] <Gmail> bob2: gnome ******STILL******* hasnt started
[08:25] <bob2> Gmail: chill, dude, you don't need to panic
[08:25] <Gmail> should i modconf the driver for my sound?
[08:25] <Daidoji> bob2 : no, because i've no seen the /dev/usb thing ^^;;... but i'll try asap. (re-run my comp, see you later. Thanks :) )
[08:25] <Gmail> then restart x
[08:26] <Gmail> wtf ubuntu doesnt have modconf???????????
[08:26] <Gmail> i tried apt-get ing it
[08:26] <bob2> Gmail: dude, really, calm down
[08:27] <bob2> Gmail: modconf is broken, but in universe.
[08:27] <Gmail> i am calm
[08:27] <bob2> it may work for you.
[08:27] <bob2> you're not acting calm.
[08:27] <bob2> yes, I'm australian too, but you're unlike any other australian I've ever spoken to
[08:27] <bob2> so, chill out.
[08:27] <bob2> is your sound working?
[08:28] <Gmail> bob2: australia is mad up of wirod people i am one of them
[08:28] <The_Bell> hi
[08:28] <Gmail> bob2: no i need to modconf the driver
[08:28] <bob2> no, it's not made up of "wirod" people at all.
[08:28] <Gmail> so univ... i must get it from/
[08:28] <bob2> no, you don't need modconf.
[08:29] <bob2> why do you think your sound isn't working?
[08:29] <angad> Hey guys, I am a very inexperienced linux user, and I need help with my sound properties.  FOr some reason, I cannot seem to modify my bass/treble settings in volume control.  Everytime I move the bars up/down, nothing happens.  What could be causing this?
[08:29] <bob2> are you sure your sound driver supports that?
[08:29] <Gmail> bob2: yes the house next door the people in there NEVER ware cothes if that not wirod then WTF
[08:30] <cef_work> aha, it's not putting the 3ware driver in the initrd
[08:30] <angad> Hi bob, I think so.  I have soundblaster with a surround system.
[08:30] <daniels> Gmail: if you're calm and rational, it's a lot easier to find help
[08:30] <Gmail> bob2: because i havent modconf the driver yet
[08:30] <cef_work> anyone here manually inserted stuff into the initrd during an install?
[08:30] <bob2> Gmail: no, how do you know it isn't working?
[08:30] <cef_work> daniels: afternoon
[08:30] <Gmail> no distro ever has deteched my sound driver
[08:30] <daniels> cef_work: hey dude
[08:31] <angad> cef, were you talking to me?
[08:31] <bob2> cef_work: if you jump to the console (alt-f2) and modprobe it, it should get stuck in the initrd
[08:31] <bob2> er, during the install
[08:31] <bob2> Gmail: what driver does it use?
[08:31] <Gmail> bob2: ubuntu is going to be the first distro to detech it
[08:31] <cef_work> daniels: trying to install a dual-opteron system atm
[08:31] <Gmail> bob2: wirod one that i can remember is i cound use modconf
[08:32] <Pizbit> Anyone know if there's a way to recursively apply a background to the nautilus windows?
[08:32] <Gmail> i = if
[08:32] <bob2> daniels: cef_work btw, did that guy with the the little embedded machines organise a group order?
[08:32] <Gmail> Pizbit: goto prefrences
[08:32] <cef_work> bob2: well the driver is loaded and was loaded last time. it's not in the initrd, otherwise it wouldn't complain that it can't pivot-root and therefore couldn't open dev/console
[08:32] <Android16> Hahaha
[08:32] <Pizbit> Gmail: I don't want it for all directories, just recusively for the ones I choose.
[08:32] <Android16> kewl
[08:32] <angad> I have two sound tabs, TriTech TR28602 (OSS Mixer), and Soundblaster Live! (Alsa Mixer).  The bass/treble settings are not having any effect on my sound.  And i don't think I have two soundcards.  What could be causing this?
[08:33] <Android16> my server been hacked
[08:33] <cef_work> angad: nope
[08:33] <bob2> cef_work: hm, I guess I'm wrong, I thought it picked it up automatically
[08:33] <Android16> www.cyberwizards.co.za
[08:33] <cef_work> bob2: it SHOULD.. the problem is, it doesn't seem to be working
[08:33] <Gmail> cef_work: it should be /dev/console and not dev/console
[08:33] <bob2> cef_work: ah, sorry for wasting your time :)
[08:33] <cef_work> Gmail: when your cwd is /, it makes no difference
[08:33] <Gmail> cef_work: just goto #debian-boot and tell them that you have the same problem i had
[08:33] <Android16> never thought my server would be important enough to be hacked
[08:34] <Gmail> cef_work: well that not what #debian-boot told me
[08:34] <cef_work> Gmail: this IS that issue.. this is WHY..
[08:34] <joem> Android16: at least you got a polite note
[08:34] <Android16> yep
[08:34] <Android16> was quite surprised this morning
[08:34] <Android16> like the picture
[08:35] <joem> I doubt it was anything but a bot that did it
[08:35] <cef_work> Gmail: dev/console (or /dev/console) can't be opened cos pivot-root failed. ie: there is no /dev directory to switch the console to
[08:35] <Gmail> cef_work: there is a way of fixinf it that #debian-boot told me BUT they said it was a hell of alot easier to reinstall with a newer version of d-i
[08:35] <Gmail> cef_work: excatly
[08:35] <bob2> Gmail: dude, he's using ubuntu
[08:35] <bob2> Gmail: there is no newer version to use
[08:35] <cef_work> Gmail: there is also a way to fix it in the install process
[08:36] <Gmail> bob2: ubuntu uses d-i
[08:36] <Gmail> cef_work: and #debian-boot know howto and Kamion isnt here to help you
[08:36] <angad> I have two sound tabs, TriTech TR28602 (OSS Mixer), and Soundblaster Live! (Alsa Mixer).  The bass/treble settings are not having any effect on my sound.  And i don't think I have two soundcards.  What could be causing this?
[08:36] <bob2> Gmail: yes, I know that, but how does it help? he can't switch to a "newer version of d-i", since there isn't one.
[08:37] <cef_work> Gmail: and since I'm using the release version, I'd like to know so I can add it to the FAQ and stop anyone else asking
[08:37] <cef_work> Gmail: and I'm QUITE aware of the how behind d-i.. i've just forgotten how to manually install modules into the initrd during the install process
[08:37] <Gmail> bob2: i know but #debian-boot said there is a way of fixing it but its a lot harder than just reinatlling using kernel 2.6 which was in a later d-i
[08:38] <bob2> Gmail: he's using 2.6
[08:38] <cef_work> Gmail: and if I go ito debian-boot and ASK a q, and they ask 'are you using ubuntu' and I say yes, they'll say 'fuck off, this is #debian-boot not #ubuntu-boot - get ubuntu people to do your support
[08:39] <Gmail> but #debian-boot told me howto manuily do it and install module to interd during install...
[08:39] <cef_work> Gmail: it's like going into #debian and asking Knoppix questions - just say no!
[08:40] <Gmail> cef_work: but its a d-i question
[08:40] <Gmail> d-i is not u-i or something like that
[08:41] <Gmail> if you want d-i help #debian-boot can help you but if you ubuntu help only #ubuntu and ##inux will help ya
[08:41] <daniels> bob2: i dunno
[08:41] <bob2> haha ##linux
[08:41] <Gmail> ##linux helped me
[08:42] <Gmail> it like #gnome on irc.gimpnet.org helping you for gnome even thou you are using ubuntu
[08:42] <bob2> yes, but you've just said it's an ubuntu-specific problem
[08:43] <Gmail> IT not a ubuntu problem
[08:43] <Gmail> its a d-i problem
[08:43] <Gmail> so if you want help on d-i goto #debian-boot
[08:43] <bob2> *sigh*, whatever
[08:43] <angad> I have two sound tabs, TriTech TR28602 (OSS Mixer), and Soundblaster Live! (Alsa Mixer).  The bass/treble settings are not having any effect on my sound.  And i don't think I have two soundcards.  What could be causing this?
[08:44] <Treenaks> the fact that there's an OSS emulation layer for ALSA?
[08:44] <Gmail> angad: did you already ask this yesterday? or was it someone else
[08:44] <angad> Gmail, this is my first day on linux
[08:44] <Gmail> maybe add it to the FAQ
[08:44] <Treenaks> the mixer tries both, and can't "see" it's an emulated mixer
[08:44] <Gmail> 0_0
[08:44] <angad> Treenaks, what do I do sabout that?
[08:45] <Daidoji> re
[08:45] <Treenaks> angad: file a bug
[08:45] <Daidoji> pppoeconf is for ethernet, my pb is with an usb modem :P
[08:45] <Gmail> angad: i hope you where on BSD before
[08:45] <angad> thanks Treenak
[08:45] <angad> gmail, I was on windows until today
[08:45] <Gmail> hey Treenaks
[08:45] <Treenaks> Daidoji: uh.. USB modem modem or USB ADSL or Cable modem-thing
[08:45] <Dashiva> angad, it's normal, the oss (tritech) mixer is linked to the Audigy (alsa) mixer for compatibility with older apps
[08:45] <Gmail> angad: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK winblows
[08:45] <Treenaks> hi gmail
[08:45] <angad> haha, amen gmail
[08:46] <Treenaks> angad: well, reporting bugs will get them fixed here, unlike the Windows case :)
[08:46] <bob2> Gmail: chill out, please.
[08:46] <angad> haha, great treenaks.  I'll get to it right away
[08:46] <daniels> Gmail: please try to be constructive, less distracting, and lose the caps.  thanks.
[08:46] <Gmail> ok gnome still hasnt started and its *30min* already
[08:46] <Daidoji> Treenaks : ok. But pppoeconf found only an eth0 (i have an ethernet card, so ok), but nothing from the modem usb :(
[08:46] <Dashiva> so if you change something one it should change in the other
[08:46] <Treenaks> Daidoji: what kind of USB modem is it? ADSL? cable? dial-in?
[08:47] <Treenaks> Gmail: what's happening?
[08:47] <Daidoji> Treenaks : F@st sagem 800, usb modem ADSL (in France)
[08:47] <xskoulax> BSOD - Black Screen of Doh!
[08:47] <Gmail> Treenaks: gnome doesnt start i added another user and tried to login but it just goes to a brownish screen (the bg) and i wait
[08:48] <Treenaks> Daidoji: there probably isn't a driver included in Ubuntu
[08:48] <Treenaks> Gmail: what does 'ps auxwww' tell you?
[08:48] <Treenaks> Gmail: and top?
[08:48] <Gmail> Daidoji: get a new ethernet modem
[08:48] <Daidoji> Treenaks : erf... when i search for 'eagle' string, i found a .ko on a subfolder of the usb driver. perhaps i must copypaste it on the upfolder ?
[08:48] <bob2> Gmail: if you can't be helpful, please be quiet.
[08:48] <Daidoji> Gmail : i can't :-
[08:49] <Treenaks> Daidoji: it should load automatically
[08:49] <Gmail> ERROR: configlet format options
[08:49] <Treenaks> Daidoji: what do you mean with "on a subfolder of the usb driver"? where exactly did you look?
[08:49] <Gmail> Treenaks: can i pm you a /exec -o ps auxwww for you to get the whole thing
[08:49] <Treenaks> Daidoji: /lib/modules/ ?
[08:49] <Treenaks> Gmail: noo!!
[08:49] <Daidoji> Treenaks : i looked for a eagle-start, or eagle-conf, but found nothing with 'eagle' that is link to usb or bin (a part the .ko)
[08:50] <Daidoji> Treenaks : yes
[08:50] <Gmail> Treenaks: okay
[08:50] <Treenaks> Daidoji: uh.. if the driver is supported, it should have loaded automatically.
[08:50] <Treenaks> Daidoji: does USB work at all?
[08:50] <Gmail> ygnome: i have a p4 2.8GHz PRESCOTT HT 1mb cache
[08:50] <bronson> Daidoji: Did you browse around the wiki on that link I sent you?
[08:51] <bronson> There was a ton of good stuff on there.
[08:51] <Daidoji> Treenaks : erf... yes my mouse and keyboard works well. the indicator on my modem are on standby (wait for soft init)
[08:51] <bronson> It looks like a fairly mature project.
[08:51] <Daidoji> bronson : yes.
[08:51] <Gmail> Treenaks == helpful and caring
[08:51] <Gmail> Treenaks == helpful caring and always VERY busy
[08:51] <cef_work> bob2: seems that the installer doesn't realise that 3w-9xxx is a scsi block device module, so doesn't add it to the initrd (assuming the initrd is dynamically created, which for some reason may not be the case)
[08:51] <Daidoji> bronson : but like i forgot to wrote it on something, could you please regive it to me ? ^^;;
[08:52] <Treenaks> Gmail: if you do ps auxwww, you see processes under your user name
[08:52] <Gmail> cef_work: do you have pata emalation terned on??
[08:52] <Treenaks> Gmail: you can /exec -o ps auxwww | grep yourusername :)
[08:52] <Treenaks> Gmail: privately :)
[08:52] <cef_work> Gmail: no
[08:52] <cef_work> Gmail: and I have no intention of turning it on
[08:53] <bronson> Daidoji: sure.  But I found another one first.  :)
[08:53] <bronson> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/bueagle.html
[08:53] <Daidoji> bronson : i look at it, thanks :)
[08:53] <bronson> Here's the first link.  http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/143.html
[08:53] <bob2> cef_work: ahh
[08:54] <bronson> Daidoji: make sure to click on the link in the third comment.
[08:54] <cef_work> bob2: so I'm guessing either it's the kernel image, or simply a config file in the installer
[08:54] <Daidoji> bronson : oki, thanks :)
[08:54] <duke|ib> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=507 <-- how would i apply this patch? :E
[08:55] <WW> Another quickie: The Computer menu can't be edited, correct?
[08:55] <jdub> correct
[08:56] <WW> jdub: Thanks.
[08:56] <Daidoji> in fact, i must reinstall the eagle driver then :S. but why is it a eagle.ko in a subfolder of the usb driver then ? Oo
[08:57] <bronson> Daidoji: Is it an ADSL modem?  Would the eagle-adsl-tools package be relevant?
[08:57] <Daidoji> bronson : yes, mine is a adsl usb modem, and one supported by the eagle driver. in fact i remember i was forced to install it on the mandrake 10 also...
[08:57] <bronson> Daidoji: reinstall the driver?  Why?
[08:57] <bronson> Daidoji: That's a rather large can of worms to open...
[08:57] <bob2> duke|ib: what bug is that for?
[08:58] <duke|ib> bob2: ibook not properly waking after sleep
[08:58] <duke|ib> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940
[08:58] <Daidoji> bronson : like i have a eagle.ko already on, but see nowhere the modem in access, i think i must install the eagle driver in complete form, so re-install it
[08:58] <bob2> duke|ib: which bug number?
[08:58] <duke|ib> bob2: ^^^
[08:59] <Daidoji> i'll try the eagle driver source :). I have another question too :P
[08:59] <bronson> Daidoji: Unless the kernel driver is really old, I doubt it...
[09:00] <bronson> What happens when you run eagleconfig and startadsl?
[09:00] <Daidoji> to mount another partitions (ntfs, fat32) : always pass by mount ? no automatic system on ubuntu ?
[09:00] <Daidoji> bronson : i don't have eagleconfig nor startadsl on the system
[09:01] <bronson> apt-get install eagle-adsl-tools
[09:01] <Daidoji> ...
[09:01] <bronson> (or use Synaptic to install that package)
[09:01] <Daidoji> it's not in the synaptic package (already look for one 'eagle' on it)
[09:02] <duke|ib> it's there for me
[09:02] <Daidoji> :(
[09:02] <duke|ib> are you using universe?
[09:02] <Daidoji> universe ?
[09:02] <duke|ib> heh :x
[09:02] <Daidoji> (i don't have acces to web)
[09:03] <Pizbit> Daidoji: That big thing you live in *grin*
[09:03] <bronson> Uh oh.
[09:03] <Daidoji> (for web access like now, i back to winxp)
[09:03] <duke|ib> i don't know the traditional way of doing this
[09:03] <Daidoji> Pizbit : lol.
[09:03] <bronson> I sense a catch-22 here.
[09:03] <duke|ib> heh, nevermind then
[09:03] <Pizbit> duke|ib: Usually it's go to the ftp and download the deb and make it accessable locally
[09:03] <duke|ib> always a good method
[09:03] <Gmail> Treenaks: gnome still doesnt start
[09:04] <Daidoji> ok, i just get the eagle driver source, i back to ubuntu to install it :). if all is okay, see you under ubuntu ;)
[09:05] <Gmail> Treenaks: pm ya? with the same comand?
[09:06] <dle> On http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/ the live CD is 'warty-rc-live-i386.iso'.  Is that still the release candidate version?
[09:06] <duke|ib> i need a better airport connection :(
[09:06] <duke|ib> --- Ping reply from zelazny.freenode.net : 31.82 second(s)
[09:06] <duke|ib> \o/
[09:06] <bob2> dle: yes, it's not released yet
[09:06] <dle> bob2: thanks.
[09:06] <dle> bob2: Any idea of a timeline?
[09:07] <bob2> dle: I don't know, sorry
[09:07] <bob2> duke|ib: easiest way is to rebuild pbbuttonsd, I guess
[09:07] <duke|ib> bob2: mmkay, thanks
[09:07] <duke|ib> i hope that fix makes it into the final, heh
[09:08] <bob2> final is released
[09:08] <duke|ib> well then
[09:08] <bob2> I think that bug is being delayed because of pitti's comment, too
[09:08] <duke|ib> which comment?
[09:08] <bob2> the last one
[09:09] <bob2> martin's ibook is a g4 like mine
[09:09] <bob2> and I'm 99.999% certain suspend doesn't work at all on them
[09:09] <duke|ib> heh, i'm on an ibook g3/700
[09:09] <bob2> yeah, you're lucky :)
[09:09] <duke|ib> it still doesn't wake :E
[09:09] <bob2> hm, it should
[09:09] <bob2> does it under Debian?
[09:10] <duke|ib> haven't tried
[09:10] <duke|ib> it takes a bit of convincing to suspend, too
[09:10] <duke|ib> i have to close the lid twice, once if i'm lucky for it to sleep
[09:10] <duke|ib> and then it stalls on wake at the exact same spot that's described in the bug
[09:11] <duke|ib> machine  : PowerBook4,3
[09:11] <duke|ib> motherboard : PowerBook4,3 MacRISC2 MacRISC Power Macintosh
[09:11] <duke|ib> detected as : 257 (iBook 2 rev. 2
[09:11] <calc> Keybuk: agreed wrt testing being braindamaged, it has many other flaws other than the dd's not running it as well ;)
[09:11] <srbaker> yo
[09:11] <srbaker> anyone here that had the same problem as i did with ubuntu on a toshiba lappy?
[09:12] <srbaker> it was *really* slow
[09:13] <Treenaks> srbaker: I've heard about that using plain Debian on an old Satellite
[09:13] <srbaker> Treenaks, ahh.  well, i seem to have fixed it by doing "acpi=force" on the kernel cmd line
[09:13] <LeeColleton> srbaker: there's an IRQ conflict between the modem and the mouse.. I think
[09:13] <Daidoji> me again
[09:13] <srbaker> acpi is disabled by default on pre-1999 bioses, but toshiba lappies have had acpi since (i think) 1997 or 98\
[09:14] <Daidoji> ... i have a big pb now : no c compilator on the $PATH ^^;;
[09:14] <Treenaks> srbaker: cool
[09:14] <LeeColleton> I've got a 2100CDT that was really buggy until I switched the modems IRQ
[09:14] <Treenaks> Daidoji: do you need a C compiler? you just said the driver is included in /lib/modules
[09:14] <bob2> srbaker: it's a kernel issue, since most acpi bioses before then are unusably buggy.
[09:14] <Daidoji> Treenaks : i have downloaded the source of eagles drivers (with tools).
[09:14] <calc> srbaker: it seems on 2.6.9 you can enable acpi for all devices, it has a settable year option
[09:15] <srbaker> bob2, yeah, understood.  but it took me a little while to figure it out.
[09:15] <srbaker> bob2, it was a problem that was only biting me sometimes on debian install, and sometimes on fedora.  but all the time on ubuntu
[09:15] <srbaker> bob2, weirdness.
[09:15] <Treenaks> Daidoji: you should always try packages first
[09:15] <bob2> srbaker: ahh
[09:16] <Treenaks> Daidoji: sudo apt-get install eagle-adsl-data eagle-adsl-tools
[09:16] <Daidoji> Treenaks : but i have only the adsltools packages for debian. i know that ubuntu is based on debian... dos it work ?
[09:16] <Treenaks> Daidoji: apt-cache search eagle
[09:16] <Treenaks> Daidoji: that gave me these package names
[09:17] <Treenaks> Daidoji: aeagle-adsl-data contains the firmware the eagle driver need, and the eagle driver is there ()
[09:17] <Daidoji> Treenaks : like i have said : i don't have the package ! my web acces is only under winxp...
[09:17] <Treenaks> Daidoji: well, download the packages from archive.ubuntu.com in XP, burn them to CD (or something..)
[09:17] <Daidoji> oki, i do that :)
[09:17] <Treenaks> Daidoji: then "dpkg -i thefile1.deb thefile2.deb"
[09:18] <Treenaks> Daidoji: and then reboot, and see if it works
[09:18] <Daidoji> erf... does exist something to search on the archive.ubuntu.com ?
[09:19] <Daidoji> found it !
[09:19] <Daidoji> Thanks :)
[09:19] <Elw0od> hi all
[09:20] <Elw0od> now i am am here to answer and not to ask!
[09:20] <Elw0od> everythings works fine
[09:33] <atariboy> Is 'JohnHornbeck' around?
[09:34] <bob2> you can see that for yourself
[09:34] <atariboy> he may use a dif nick
[09:34] <atariboy> I saw his name on the wiki
[09:36] <|trey|> Elw0od: yay, congrats... software is less fun when it works though  :(  :P
[09:36] <plovs_work> JohnHornbeck is hornbeck on irc
[09:36] <mrjive> hi *
[09:37] <atariboy> ta plovs_work
[09:37] <Elw0od> |trey|,  depends on what fun :)
[09:43] <opi> *yawn*
[09:43] <opi> :)
[09:44] <cef_work> Kamion: you awake yet?
[09:47] <tux> whats the link to get to ubuntt's archives ?
[09:47] <tux> *ubuntu
[09:47] <opi> archives.ubuntu.com?
[09:47] <tux> i tried that
[09:47] <tux> let me check again
[09:47] <opi> see Wiki
[09:48] <opi> tux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
 Daidoji: and then reboot, and see if it works
[09:49] <DjGeRo> why reboot? :)
[09:49] <tux> opi : i see the wiki
[09:49] <dyn> morning, guys :)
[09:49] <tux> that gives a list, is there a search facility for the database
[09:50] <opi> like packages.debian.org?
[09:50] <tux> kinda
[09:50] <opi> if you're using Ubuntu, you could just apt-cache search
[09:50] <tux> well not on ubuntu at the mo
[09:50] <tux> have to copy so needed lib files over
[09:50] <tux> :/
[09:50] <opi> I don't renember URL ;/
[09:51] <tux> yeah somone quickly gave me a xmms link earlier, very helpful
[09:51] <tux> but need some dependencies :)
[09:51] <cef_work> ok, later ppl
[09:51] <opi> I can get a lib for you, tux :)
[09:51] <Treenaks> DjGeRo: because the driver needs loading, and it's easier to reboot
[09:51] <opi> tux: just name it
[09:51] <tux> libgtk1.2 i think
[09:52] <DjGeRo> Treenaks: mmkay, that's also a way to see it :P
[09:52] <tux> xmms required it
[09:52] <tux> even though i had later installed ; go figure ;)
[09:52] <Treenaks> DjGeRo: (I mean.. I could explain module loading, etc etc.)
[09:52] <DjGeRo> ;)
[09:52] <opi> root->/var/cache/apt/archives->ls *gtk*
[09:52] <opi> libgtk1.2_1.2.10-17_i386.deb  libgtk1.2-common_1.2.10-17_all.deb
[09:53] <opi> tux: give me your e-mail ;)
[09:53] <tux><EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[09:53] <tux> cheers
[09:53] <tux> need to get my wifi card set up this afternoon
[09:54] <tux> laptop has no RF-45 and modem dont work :)
[09:54] <opi> tux: hehe, ok
[09:55] <WW> plovs: ?
[09:55] <WW> plovs_work: Same as plovs?
[09:58] <tux> opi : http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[09:59] <tux> whats the diff. between universe and multiverse ?
[09:59] <WW> tux: Stuff in multiverse is "non-free"
[10:00] <tux> um.. pay ??
[10:00] <WW> tux: I don't know all the details, but basically stuff that has different or stricter licensing than GPL.
[10:01] <tux> ok
[10:01] <WW> tux: There is a question about it in the Ubuntu FAQ.
[10:01] <opi> tux: no, not Open Source
[10:01] <opi> tux: closed, binary stuff
[10:02] <tux> thats weird, when i updated nmap thru universe thru apt-get on the pc , it was ver. 3.50
[10:02] <tux> shit i meant to say 3.70
[10:02] <Treenaks> opi: also stuff with source available, but too restrictively licensed
[10:02] <opi> yes,
[10:02] <tux> the universe site has onlt 3.50
[10:02] <smo> one of those times where "free software" vs "open source" actually starts to make sense ;o)
[10:03] <tux> disregard that last statement, i got it off debian site, i just remembered - duh!
[10:03] <opi> hehe
[10:03] <opi> please, don't mix Ubuntu and Debain
[10:03] <opi> it can cause hangover from morning ;)
[10:03] <tux> well i needed the lastest nmap to scan my network :)
[10:03] <tux> i got that mail, cheers opi
[10:03] <opi> tux: you're welcome
[10:03] <Treenaks> tux: why? the old one was not good enough?
[10:04] <tux> well the ver. 3.70 has more sigs for identifying systems and its a hell of alot quicker
[10:04] <opi> could anyone reslove one domain for me?
[10:05] <opi> Im not sure if it's allready accessible around the world
[10:06] <opi> it's oppeln-bronikowski.int.pl, please tell me a IP :)
[10:06] <smo> oppeln-bronikowski.int.pl has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:06] <opi> good
[10:07] <opi> thanks, smo
[10:07] <smo> glad to hear it
[10:07] <opi> now I can bug my ISP to put good revDNS on my server :)
[10:08] <tux> i need to add kernel source before i can try a generic deb conexant driver
[10:08] <tux> i just want to check before i go get it, but normally i would do..
[10:08] <tux> apt-get install source ?
[10:09] <opi> yes
[10:09] <tux> cool
[10:09] <opi> kernel-sourcec-number
[10:09] <smo> apt-get source package, if memory serves
[10:09] <gelfling> heylo people ^_^
[10:09] <smo> unless I'm reading the question wrong :/   (it's 4am here)
[10:09] <enntee> man
[10:09] <tux> ill go look for it on the web, burn it to a cd
[10:09] <enntee> this channel is a hell of a lot more friendly than #debian
[10:09] <opi> It's Ubuntu spirit :)
[10:09] <enntee> no offense to them.
[10:09] <tux> maybe its because its starting off
[10:10] <enntee> could be
[10:10] <tux> but hey i noticed that too, a bit too touchy in there
[10:10] <tux> i dont bother going in anymore
[10:10] <enntee> yeah, can be very frustrating
[10:10] <tux> maybe it was the debian hack
[10:10] <tux> unsettling :P
[10:10] <enntee> ?
[10:10] <enntee> never heard about it.
[10:10] <tux> ah was a good while ago now
[10:11] <enntee> the irc channel or the servers?
[10:11] <enntee> i remember when the servers were compromised
[10:11] <opi> we just could say STFU, n00b and RT*F*M, google.com and don't bug us while we're discussing new p0rn ;-))
[10:11] <Daidoji> re-hello again :)
[10:11] <tux> http://www.debian.org/News/2003/20031202
[10:11] <Daidoji> and this time, from ubuntu, youhou :D
[10:11] <bob2> yay!
[10:11] <bob2> congrats.
[10:11] <opi> I need to fill this bug, as Matt asked
[10:12] <Daidoji> :)
[10:12] <opi> I kinda dislike Bugzilla ;)
[10:12] <enntee> so is ubuntu planning on having "newish" packages available for brave and/or stupid people to try inbetween releases?
[10:12] <enntee> actually, don't answer that
[10:12] <enntee> i should check the faq first
[10:13] <Daidoji> for information, i install gcc by apt-get (bizarre, it's not installed by default), and compil the eagle driver source :). Oh, and another thing : eagle-adsl-tools is a modeling hardware adsl utilitie :)
[10:13] <opi> Daidoji: it's not bizarre :)
[10:13] <opi> Daidoji: we've disscussed this issue an hour ago
[10:13] <opi> Daidoji: most people don't care about compiling C/C++ stuff
[10:13] <gilles> hi kamion and others
[10:14] <Daidoji> opi : arf, oki :). so that's the reason. why not :P
[10:14] <Daidoji> hi gilles
[10:14] <opi> Daidoji: OTOH, Ubuntu has full Python, because apps in Ubuntu req. it :)
[10:14] <Daidoji> opi : yeah, i've seen that during installation.
[10:14] <bob2> 3/win33
[10:14] <WW> Daidoji: See #20 under Support: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/
[10:14] <Daidoji> ww: i go see.
[10:15] <gilles> anyone find partitions detection problem like me ?
[10:15] <tux> hmm i can only find  kernel-source-2.6.7/ under http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/
[10:15] <smo> tux: You're looking for linux-[source|image|modules] , not kernel-
[10:15] <plovs_work> WW, yes, hi!
[10:15] <crimsun> tux: linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:16] <opi> emil->~->apt-cache search kernel-source | wc -l
[10:16] <opi> 19
[10:16] <tux> ok cheers :))
[10:16] <WW> plovs_work: Hi there.
[10:16] <tux> im not on ubuntu at the mo :)
[10:16] <opi> tux: 2.6.7 it's from Debian
[10:16] <Daidoji> hmm, i am wondering something : does exist something for ubuntu like an automount ?
[10:16] <plovs_work> WW, sorry I deleted your page, I put it back
[10:16] <plovs_work> WW, too much enthousiasm
[10:16] <opi> Daidoji: I think kernel supports automount
[10:17] <Daidoji> opi : in that case, why don't i see my other partition ?
[10:17] <WW> plovs_work: Like I said on the page, no problem at all.  I was just messing around when I made it.  I wasn't sure if I would make a "real" personal page.
[10:17] <tux> just to confirm, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>/linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>_<IP_ADDRESS>-16_all.deb is what i need ?
[10:17] <opi> tux: da :}
[10:17] <tux> cool
[10:17] <opi> Daidoji: hmm, I have no idea
[10:18] <Kamion> cef: yep?
[10:18] <opi> Daidoji: atm my Linuxbox has only one disk, so I didn't check it, I just assumed it's there
[10:18] <fsc> hmm...wonder why gstreamer has been borked for so long
[10:18] <Daidoji> opi : oki. me, i don't see nor my 2 Fat32 partition, nor my 3 other ntfs partition :(
[10:19] <stvn> hi
[10:19] <opi> Daidoji: mkdir /tmp/d; mount /dev/hdxy /tmp/d ;)
[10:19] <Daidoji> ?
[10:19] <plovs_work> WW, if you like to get involved, make a page if not ... well then not :)
[10:19] <opi> Daidoji: you can mount it by yourself if you need it atm
[10:20] <Daidoji> opi : i've tried, but ...mmmm... nothing in /dev about my other partition...
[10:20] <opi> Daidoji: oh, really? Now that's very strange
[10:20] <opi> Daidoji: try sudo cfdisk /dev/hdX where x is disk number
[10:20] <Daidoji> opi : i explain : no hdax, but hdex et hdgx
[10:21] <opi> and see if everything is ok with partion setup
[10:21] <Daidoji> oki, i see it.
[10:21] <opi> I'll get a caffee ;}
[10:22] <Daidoji> fatal error : cannot open disk drive
[10:22] <Daidoji> hoooo
[10:22] <opi> huhu
[10:22] <Daidoji> in fact, they begin at hdE ...
[10:22] <Daidoji> why ? Oo
[10:22] <opi> no idea
[10:23] <Daidoji> erf... too bad, forgot how use mount :(. ok, i'll go ask my friend google :D
[10:24] <Daidoji> thank opi :)
[10:24] <opi> Daidoji: mount -t filesystem /device /where
[10:24] <opi> Daidoji: mount -t filesystem /device /where -o option=a,nextoption=b
[10:25] <opi> Daidoji: ie. mount -t vfat -o umask=000 /dev/hdc3 /mnt/disk_mp3
[10:25] <Daidoji> opi : thanks :), in fact i already know that (try of sooner) but i have some pb with the /where :P
[10:25] <opi> mkdir will help here ;)
[10:25] <Daidoji> opi : and for automount ? just make a batch file with all the mounting, no ?
[10:26] <opi> Daidoji: see /etc/fstab
[10:26] <gilles> Kamion, i know you are very busy but do you take a look on my screenshots ?
[10:26] <Daidoji> opi : domo arigat gosaimasu !
[10:26] <WW> plovs_work: My page is really gone now.  I'll be making the occasional wiki FAQ addition, but that's about it.
[10:27] <stvn> Daidoji: do you have the right permissions in the /where ?
[10:27] <Daidoji> stvn : root permissions ?
[10:28] <stvn> rwx permissions at least
[10:28] <opi> Daidoji: I wish I could understand that ;)
[10:28] <opi> unless you're mounting RO media
[10:28] <opi> then RX would be enough
[10:28] <Daidoji> opi : Really Thank you << hasty translation ;)
[10:28] <Kamion> gilles: I don't see the e-mail from you
[10:29] <Kamion> gilles: what e-mail address did you send it from?
[10:29] <Daidoji> stvn : yes, now i have it :P
[10:29] <gilles> Kamion<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:30] <Daidoji> mount: fs type fat32 not supported by kernel <<< ????
[10:30] <opi> vfat
[10:30] <opi> not fat32
[10:30] <Daidoji> arg
[10:30] <Daidoji> ok, i retry, thank :)
[10:31] <Daidoji> mount -t vfat /dev/hde /media/Win32
[10:31] <Daidoji> mount: /dev/hde already mounted or /media/Win32 busy
[10:31] <Daidoji> Oo ?
[10:31] <Kamion> gilles: no, *from*
[10:32] <opi> you see
[10:32] <opi> it's mounted
[10:32] <opi> do df -h
[10:32] <Daidoji> Sys. de fich.         Tail. Occ.   probably did it :-P
[10:35] <gelfling> can someone point me to destructions for installing nvidia drivers? I wanna make 3d goodness happen ^_^
[10:36] <Kamion> gilles: yep, I know
[10:36] <Daidoji> Opi : ok, now it's mounted :P. but my fat32 folder are like some unknown file (so i could not go in)
[10:36] <Zomb> Daidoji: sounds like missing permissions for directories
[10:36] <stvn> Daidoji: they are prolly mounted with root priviliges
[10:36] <opi> Daidoji: umount then add -o umask=000
[10:37] <opi> or sudo for your mp3 collection :D
[10:37] <Daidoji> arf, oki. Thank you all :)
[10:37] <bob2> gelfling: BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki
[10:37] <gelfling> tar
[10:39] <opi> Ok, maybe I should work a little bit? :)
[10:40] <SavuZiil> hi, its my first time installing linux and id like to know what are the system requierments of ubuntu 4.10
[10:40] <opi> SavuZiil: depends what you like to get
[10:40] <opi> SavuZiil: having decent Gnome experience will cost around Celeron 600 and 128/256Mb of memory
[10:40] <bob2> SavuZiil: for gnome you'd want 256MB of ram, 1.8GB of disk and maybe a p3 or p2
[10:41] <opi> SavuZiil: full Ubuntu takes aroudn 1.8Gb
[10:41] <gelfling> bob2: does that get me the same as the drivers off the nvidia site? Or are they the open source
[10:41] <opi> gelfling: NVidia drivers are not Open Source
[10:41] <bob2> gelfling: the same dodgy binary drivers nvndia ships
[10:41] <opi> nv drivers in XF are open sourced
[10:41] <SavuZiil> but what can i do with 500mhz pentium2 and with 128mb ram
[10:41] <opi> but withour acceleration
[10:42] <bob2> SavuZiil: it wil be ok, but might be a bit slow
[10:42] <opi> SavuZiil: you can still get Linux expereince nice, but I would not recomend Gnome
[10:42] <stvn> SavuZiil: it can run it, but it would be wise to put an extra 128 ram in
[10:42] <gelfling> bob2: ok thanks, in that case I got em already! thanks bob2, saves me messing about ^_^
[10:42] <daniels> er, I think they do 2D acceleration for most primitives
[10:42] <SavuZiil> so kde is the way to go?
[10:42] <bob2> SavuZiil: try it and see...if gnome is annoyingly slow, you can run other things
[10:42] <daniels> as well as Xv
[10:42] <bob2> SavuZiil: kde is as slow or slower
[10:42] <opi> SavuZiil: there's a XFce4 that would go
[10:42] <stvn> SavuZiil: I run it perfectly fine on a amd K6 400MHz, but it has 400 MB ram
[10:43] <opi> SavuZiil: KDE/Gnome are big DE, while XFce/Fluxbox are just WM
[10:43] <Treenaks> opi: xfce is a de
[10:43] <SavuZiil> de? wm?
[10:43] <opi> Treenaks: it is? Im using it for a month or so and didn't feel it :)
[10:43] <opi> SavuZiil: Digital Env. vs. Window Manager
[10:44] <Treenaks> opi: Desktop env.
[10:44] <opi> SavuZiil: it's like waching machine vs. soap
[10:44] <stvn> desktop environment
[10:44] <opi> Treenaks: desktop, yes, I must have some brain disorder ;)
[10:44] <opi> doh
[10:44] <opi> washing machine
[10:44] <SavuZiil> ok thanx for your help
[10:48] <SavuZiil> one more question (not much to do with linux), anyone knows some place where i can get information on BeOS
[10:48] <Treenaks> SavuZiil: google.com 8)
[10:48] <uman> Treenaks: hey, what concidence, I know that site, too
[10:48] <stvn> heh
[10:48] <uman> coincidence ^
[10:48] <SavuZiil> Treenaks: the easy way to answer all questions:D
[10:48] <Treenaks> SavuZiil: true ;)
[10:49] <Treenaks> SavuZiil: otherwise, wikipedia.org :))
[10:49] <opi> SavuZiil: bebits.com
[10:49] <stvn> SavuZiil: osnews.com might be useful as well
[10:49] <gelfling> savuziil: ive seen some news on osnews in the last few days
[10:49] <uman> howstuffworks.com is pretty good, too
[10:49] <uman> though it does have some ads thrown in
[10:49] <uman> ^for things not related to operating systems that is
[10:49] <SavuZiil> ok, thanks
[10:52] <Treenaks> Pizbit: man 5 units
[10:53] <Pizbit> Treenaks: I was thinking in nautilus etc
[10:54] <Treenaks> Pizbit: don't know... look at the source?
[10:54] <Pizbit> For...?
[10:54] <Treenaks> it tells me MB, but I don't know if it means MB or MiB
[10:54] <uman> Men in Black ?
[10:54] <Treenaks> Pizbit: every program that uses units.. that's kind of the problem
[10:54] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Probably MiB, I'd just prefer it if it used the proper units;)
[10:54] <Treenaks> uman: man 5 units
[10:55] <Treenaks> Pizbit: submit patches to the GNOME people
[10:55] <uman> ah, is that for compiling timing ?
[10:55] <Pizbit> http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
[10:55] <Pizbit> uman: Look at that if you don't know about them
[10:55] <Treenaks> uman: no, read the manual
[10:55] <uman> ok
[10:55] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Pah, I'm no coder
[10:56] <Treenaks> Pizbit: everyone can change MB to MiB
[10:56] <uman> thanks for that
[10:56] <Treenaks> Pizbit: then file bugs..
[10:56] <uman> it
[10:56] <Zomb> is this fixed somehow in the GNOME HIG? Would be the first good thing there.
[10:56] <Pizbit> Treenaks: So, you expect me to download heaps of source, find the specific places where the units are mentioned, changed, them and then get the dependencies needed to compile it...:P
[10:56] <uman> it's just like the metric stuff, just converted for 2^10
[10:56] <Pizbit> *just* so I can be sure?
[10:57] <Treenaks> Pizbit: I am?
[10:57] <Pizbit> Probably.
[10:57] <Treenaks> *dances around in a circle*
[10:57] <Pizbit> Definatly:)
[10:58] <Treenaks> Pizbit: you should probably test it (make a 1MB file and a 1MiB file, check what nautilus tells you)
[10:58] <alex_> hmm...
[10:58] <srbaker> anyone else have troubel with warty immediately after install?
[10:58] <srbaker> i try to log in for the first time: no splash screen
[10:58] <Treenaks> Pizbit: and files bugs based on that, or ask the Gnome HIG people about it
[10:58] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Or I could du a file and compare it to the nautilus view
[10:59] <alex_> I just installed warty, but no where during the install process do i remember giving a root password. Am I just too drunk to remember?? whats going on here..
[10:59] <Pizbit> alex_: You use sudo and your normal pass
[10:59] <Treenaks> Pizbit: something like that
[10:59] <bob2> alex_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:00] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Do it for me :D:D
[11:00] <Treenaks> Pizbit: no :) too busy @ work
[11:00] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Muahaha
[11:00] <Pizbit> You sure fooled me.
[11:01] <Treenaks> Pizbit: you want your .tk domains, or not? :)
[11:01] <Kamion> alex_: the first screen after boot should've explained that no root password would be set
[11:01] <Kamion> after the first reboot, I mean
[11:01] <phin> alex: ahh good old drunken installs, good luck!
[11:01] <Pizbit> phin: Can't get much wrong with a drunken install of ubuntu
[11:01] <phin> lol
[11:01] <phin> i know
[11:01] <phin> ive done a few
[11:02] <Pizbit> Hehe
[11:02] <uman> my dmesg shows stuff in KiB yay
[11:02] <alex_> Pizbit, bob2, Kamion, ok thx guys, r00t!!
[11:02] <Pizbit> uman: So does ifconfig
[11:02] <alex_> i just was to also say, im really very impressed.
[11:04] <thomasvs> does anyone know why I can't get any package with a binary called "ant" that builds java projects ?
[11:04] <alex_> only one problem other than root, my printer didnt autodetect properly, but the weird thing is that my printer has a CF card slot, and i happened to have a CF card inside, and it auto detected/mounted/whatever the card and i could browser my pics.. thats truely awesome.
[11:04] <thomasvs> ant itself is free software.  all I find is libant1.5-java currently
[11:05] <thomasvs> which contains some run scripts that don't seem to work, and a jar that I don't know what to do with to make it run
[11:05] <Pizbit> alex_: Heh
[11:06] <alex_> what I dont understand is why the gnome printer tool doesnt just use all the regularly supported cups drivers, like, my printer is not listed among the drivers, but if i open up cups itself in the webbrowser the proper driver is right there!..
[11:10] <Pizbit> alex_: That's just not cricket.
[11:10] <alex_> hah
[11:10] <uman> nah, tis fish
[11:10] <topyli> live action irc!
[11:12] <stvn> has anyone any suggestions to why my clock runs at the wrong speed under ubuntu - I'm completly out of ideas :'(
[11:13] <bob2> stvn: have you searched the list archives?
[11:14] <alex_> dang, i cant remember what port the cups daemon lives on
[11:14] <stvn> bob2: not the ubuntu list
[11:14] <bob2> stvn: why?
[11:15] <stvn> bob2: didn't know they existed, and google didn't point me to it ;)
[11:15] <__daniel> alex_, grep -i cups /etc/services
[11:15] <__daniel> hmm :-)
[11:16] <__daniel> alex_, i guess 631 ipp Internet Printing Protocol
[11:17] <burnboy> so i'm not sure i like the new login image for ubuntu :) why are they not wearing much in the way of clothes :)
[11:18] <alex_> __daniel, thats the one, but its strange because nothing turned up for cups in /etc/services
[11:18] <alex_> but localhost:631 works
[11:18] <alex_> thankx __daniel
[11:18] <__daniel> alex_, well after that i tried  grep -i print /etc/services ;-)
[11:19] <__daniel> alex_,  de rien
[11:19] <stvn> bob2: am I missing something, or is there no search function in the archives?
[11:19] <alex_> oops, whats this? "Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing."
[11:19] <alex_> heh yea that works
[11:22] <maswan> daniels: btw, I ran my x40 until the screen went black yesterday, about 5-6 hours. and about 10 minutes after the battery state claimed to be critical. :)
[11:22] <daniels> maswan: yeah :)
[11:23] <alex_> ok, looks like I wont be printing
[11:23] <Treenaks> maswan: I can run my PC for an hour after the battery level drops to 0 :)
[11:23] <janl> maswan: *sulk* mine will barely last that long suspended
[11:23] <maswan> Also, at the conference I was at, IBM was handing out "x40" notebooks, the paper kind. :)
[11:24] <maswan> A little bit thinner, but the same dimensions otherwise. Weighing about the same with the battery removed. :)
[11:25] <runge> I have a litle question about ubuntu. where is it headed? will the packages in the end be diffrent from debian so that they cant be used from both? (I am not a debian user, but gentoo so if it sounds like a strange question..)
[11:25] <cef> Kamion: got a q for you re: d-i & non-detected rootfs devices
[11:25] <Kamion> cef: yuh-huh
[11:25] <Kamion> (i.e. hm, doesn't sound like something I might obviously know, but I'll try)
[11:26] <loz> when I refresh in synaptic all the repositories say "Hit" and it wizzes through.  Why is this, it use to work, and I can't update any of my s/w now.  Is this because they haven't change?
[11:26] <cef> Kamion: amd64, rootfs on a 3ware 9500 SATA raid (3w-9xxx).. install detects, partitions and installs to it, but after boot pivot-root fails. using the release images too btw
[11:27] <__daniel> loz, exactly... they haven't changed
[11:27] <loz> so that's what Hit means then __daniel?
[11:27] <Kamion> cef: suggests that the initrd couldn't figure out where the root partition is, but apart from that I'm clueless ...
[11:27] <Kamion> cef: I suspect I'd end up booting with init=/bin/sh and tracing through it by hand :-(
[11:28] <cef> Kamion: so the q. is there a way to tell the initrd to load a module (as it's in the initrd, but not in the initrd's loadmodules)
[11:28] <__daniel> loz, synaptic (via apt) hit their repositories: it's alright. otherwise it'd say "fail" or "failed"
[11:28] <cef> Kamion: or alternatively, a way I can add it manually during the install process?
[11:29] <Kamion> cef: only at initrd build time, AFAIK
[11:29] <Kamion> cef: you can re-run mkinitrd during the install ...
[11:29] <loz> __daniel: seems funny to have no changes in 2 days, because it used to be that they would change every day.  even if it was just to change picture to semi-naked people and back.
[11:29] <alex_> is gimp-print in the warty release?
[11:29] <Kamion> loz: warty's released and therefore frozen.
[11:29] <maswan> daniels: Oh, didn't you promise an updated thinkpad-x40-support thingie with better suspend support for centrino wireless? :)
[11:30] <cef> Kamion: I looked at that.. and it kept breaking when I was running it manually from the command-line.. any suggestions/pointers on what to pass it?
[11:30] <alex_> nevermind, yes i see it is.
[11:30] <loz> Kamion: that doens't include the "universal" package does it?
[11:30] <Kamion> loz: yes, it does
[11:30] <loz> so there's no more s/w updates now then?
[11:30] <Kamion> loz: barring total emergencies / word of baby jesus
[11:30] <cef> loz: only security updates afaik
[11:30] <Kamion> loz: no, not in warty. we'll open up hoary fairly soon for new development
[11:31] <loz> so this means that essentially I've got a fully up-to-date system, and new releases of other packages which are ubuntu won't update (like gaim for example)
[11:32] <daniels> maswan: yeah, been busy though
[11:32] <daniels> and my desktop's wireless has been randomly broken
[11:32] <maswan> daniels: ACK
[11:32] <Kamion> cef: something like 'chroot /target mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386' should reproduce the current initrd, tweak from there
[11:32] <maswan> daniels: Well, no worries, I'll just have to reboot about a third of the times I try to unsuspend. :)
[11:33] <alex_> so what am I to do if my printer driver simply *isn't there*
[11:34] <Kamion> cef: you'll need to add the module in question to /target/etc/mkinitrd/modules first
[11:34] <daniels> maswan: just edit /etc/acpi/suspend.sh and add an rmmod ipw2100; rmmod ipw2200 where ehci_hcd gets rmmodded
[11:34] <daniels> maswan: then re-modprobe them in resume.sh
[11:34] <loz> Kamion: so are there any other repositories that I can use to get more recent versions of some software?
[11:34] <maswan> daniels: Ah, ok. Thanks. :)
[11:34] <cef> Kamion: brilliant.. thanks. I've fiddled enough with initrd ages ago to know how to get the thing to force a module load at boot, and if not, I'm sure I'll figure it out. I'll see about adding how to do it into the wiki so that it can get FAQ'd
[11:34] <Kamion> cef: BTW you don't need to redo the whole install, just run up to the start of partitioning so that all the filesystem modules and such are available
[11:35] <Kamion> cef: please report a bug with full details, this fiddling should be made unnecessary rather than just documented
[11:35] <cef> Kamion: yeah I know.. was inspecting it a few times like that
[11:35] <Kamion> loz: what are you desperate for?
[11:35] <cef> Kamion: yeah, but unlikely to happen for warty as it stands, since it's released and all. *grin*
[11:35] <Kamion> cef: right
[11:37] <alex_> is there any chance that scribus will be packaged for the next release?
[11:37] <Kamion> loz: hoary will start up soon and will supply daily crack for those who want it :)
[11:37] <Kamion> alex_: should be in universe?
[11:38] <loz> Kamion: well a few things.. gaim being pretty active updating to keep up with protocol changes for one
[11:38] <Treenaks> Kamion: "soon"? *twitch*
[11:38] <Kamion> Treenaks: dunno exact timings, there's a hoary kickoff meeting on Monday so I should know then
[11:38] <cef> Kamion: also it's quite possible that it could happen in the future, even though it shouldn't, better to have the entry there so that people can actually resolve the problem at least and get going
[11:38] <Treenaks> Kamion: < 6 months 8)
[11:39] <Dashiva> scribus is indeed in universe
[11:39] <malte`> hi
[11:40] <alex_> Kamion, pardon? u talking about printer drivers or scribus?
[11:40] <xskoulax> morning malte`
[11:40] <Kamion> alex_: scribus
[11:40] <Kamion> cef: true
[11:40] <bronson> Yes!!  Success.
[11:40] <bronson> I finally managed to get the Orinoco drivers cleanly into the stock Ubuntu kernel.
[11:41] <cef> Kamion: could be interesting to get initrd to parse the kernel commandline and have an option to load module(s) before doing pivot-root - eg: initmod=3w-9xxx - so that you could append it to the kernel commandline at least and get booted... though then there is always the security implications... however if someone has physical access to the box, you're toast anyway
[11:41] <xskoulax> \0/
[11:41] <bronson> It only took a day and a half...  On the bright side, it produced a lot of wiki pages.  :)
[11:41] <tux> im looking for 'libglib1.2' for ubuntu under http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/ ; can't seem to find it :/
[11:42] <Treenaks> tux: libg/libglib1.2 ?
[11:42] <Treenaks> tux: otherwise, it's in g/glib/
[11:42] <tux> ahh thats where im prob. wrong :)
[11:42] <Treenaks> tux: but..isn't apt easier?
[11:42] <Kamion> cef: (only works with modules already in the initrd anyway)
[11:42] <tux> dont have net connection on laptop
[11:42] <alex_> i dont understand why my printer driver Epson-C84 is not listed when i just had debian-sarge installed on this computer, and C84 was listed among the cups drivers for that system
[11:42] <Kamion> bronson: uh - I thought we already had the Orinoco drivers?
[11:42] <tux> have to dl to usb key and copy over :/
[11:43] <cef> Kamion: yeah.. but they're all in the initrd currently, so it shouldn't be a problem
[11:43] <Kamion> cef: although yes, that would be a useful feature
[11:44] <alex_> when moving from regular debian to ubuntu i didnt expect to loose my printer
[11:44] <cef> Kamion: I'll have a look at doing it after I get the box up and running and work out a patch or something *grin*
[11:44] <tux> cheers ; later
[11:46] <bronson> Kamion: not patched for monitor mode.
[11:46] <alex_> meh, oh well, overall I would say ubuntu is great, good stuff you guys, I'll check back when you make your next release.
[11:46] <cef> ok.. later ppl, off to wash clothes and then going out....
[11:47] <alex_> cya
[11:47] <MyKq3> hello how can i change the defult spell checker with outher spell checker ?
[11:47] <bronson> I'm about to head to Boston and I'm hoping to keep in touch by the grace of open APs.  :)
[11:47] <Kamion> bronson: ah; is there a bug about that?
[11:48] <bronson> Kamion: no idea.  I'm not sure it's a bug...  There might be a reason this stuff is not integrated into the kernel...?
[11:49] <Kamion> bronson: sounds like a valid enhancement request at least
[11:50] <bronson> I suppose I could file one if you think it's a good idea.  Personally, though, it seems like the Ubuntu devs have better things to do.
[11:53] <bronson> Man I like Ubuntu.
[11:53] <Kamion> bronson: we've added quite a few custom patches to our kernel already, so (without knowing anything about the patch) another one certainly isn't out of the question.
[11:53] <bronson> I haven't felt this in tune with a distro since Debian circa 2000...
[11:53] <bronson> Kamion: you're telling me!  I was amazed at how many patches are in there.
[11:54] <bronson> OK, I'll file a feature request.
[11:54] <Kamion> the majority are Debian patches, actually
[11:54] <bronson> Well, there's a lot of them.
[11:54] <Kamion> well, I think it's still the majority ...
[11:55] <patrick_> is there a way to compile flash player it works well on site but not an certain programs
[11:55] <bronson> So I'm sitting in the same room as my AP (Linksys WRT54G) and 2 of my neighbors have stronger signals.
[11:56] <patrick_> is there a way to compile flash player 7
[11:56] <bronson> Weird.  Wonder if they're using antennas or illegal power settings...
[11:56] <deFrysk> flash is not open source
[11:56] <dyn> ahem
[11:56] <dyn> my debian days are a bit in the past
[11:57] <dyn> so i cant clearly remember how can i resolve package dependencies
[11:57] <dyn> i'd need gaim-encryption and found a deb version of it on the net
[11:57] <Kamion> bronson: hm, actually, we probably have the majority of the patches now, looking at 00list-16
[11:57] <patrick_> what can i use apart from the flashplugin-nonfree??
[11:58] <dyn> but after installing with -force-deps, every apt command complains about unmet deps and suggest removing it
[11:58] <deFrysk> patrick_, the installer of macromedia.com
[11:58] <dyn> can i make it somehow accept my decision?
[11:58] <niels\> bronson is your antenna attached directly to the card ? if so your computer case must be disturbing the signal
[11:58] <bronson> niels\: it's a minipci built into my T23 (Thinkpad).  I have no idea where the antenna is.
[11:59] <bronson> But that's a good point.
[11:59] <niels\> bronson oh ok
[11:59] <deFrysk> patrick_, please stop pinging me
[11:59] <patrick_> ok sorry
[12:00] <deFrysk> unrequested
[12:00] <patrick_> defrysk : it doesn't work properly
[12:00] <patrick_> defrysk : some texts appear blanks
[12:01] <philipp1> hello, did someone get mplayer to work, or DVD in general ?
[12:01] <patrick_> me !!
[12:01] <niels\> patrick_ havent you seen in the README that you need some fonts like the dsfons ones
[12:01] <bronson> philipp1: yep.  what's the problem.
[12:01] <niels\> gsfonts sorry
[12:01] <philipp1> i just installed it using the instructions in ubuntu's new howto
[12:02] <bronson> "with select models of the T23 featuring a dual antenna system built into the display cover in order to increase signal strength."
[12:02] <philipp1> and now mplayer does not even start
[12:02] <bronson> niels\: you got me curious.
[12:02] <Treenaks> deFrysk: apt-get install mozilla-flash-plugin should work as well
[12:02] <niels\> bronson i've never used minipci cards but i've done a bench yesterday
[12:02] <deFrysk> Treenaks, I am sure it does
[12:02] <niels\> i lose 10% strenght if my antenna is directly on my pci card
[12:02] <topyli> philipp1: i installed the mplayer-custom ubuntu packge and it won't start either :)
[12:02] <bronson> Man these thing were expensive new.  Work just gave this one to me because it's apparently obsolete.  :)
[12:03] <philipp1> exactly
[12:03] <deFrysk> Treenaks, I tried it with apt-get install flash-plugin but see now i used the wrong packagename :s
[12:03] <topyli> philipp1: so i removed it and forgot about it
[12:04] <patrick_> defrysk : mozilla-flash-plugin ?? what repository??
[12:04] <deFrysk> Treenaks, tnks for the info though
[12:04] <deFrysk> patrick_, probably in unuversal
[12:04] <niels\> patrick_ maybe universe
[12:04] <deFrysk> universal*
[12:04] <deFrysk> inuverse sorry
[12:04] <deFrysk> geez
[12:04] <topyli> universum
[12:04] <deFrysk> dang typos
[12:06] <dyn> anyone uses gaim-encryption on ubuntu?
[12:07] <deFrysk> patrick_, the correct name is flashplugin-nonfree
[12:09] <patrick_> the flashplugin-nonfree doesn't work properly it misses some text
[12:10] <deFrysk> patric, also apt-get install gsfonts-x11 libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[12:11] <deFrysk> patrick_, might help
[12:12] <deFrysk> patrick_, when you rightclick a selected package in synaptic you can check for recomended packages to install with it
[12:25] <stvn> hm ubuntu's nautilus appears to b0rk images bigger then 15k when transfering them over ftp
[12:27] <digitalux> hello all
[12:27] <digitalux> is there a realtek WLAN driver in ubuntu??
[12:32] <gilles> kamion,i'm not able to mount dos partitions in console
[12:33] <gilles> i wrote "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt -t vfat" ant it answer "no such file or directory"
[12:33] <patrick_> on some sites when i go on fullscreen wuth flash it crash
[12:33] <deFrysk> patrick_, nvidia driver ?
[12:33] <stvn> gilles: it it mount -t <filetyp> /device /destination
[12:34] <lhb> gilles: mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/<destinataion>
[12:34] <lhb> sorry stvn, see you are helping already
[12:34] <gilles> same error
[12:35] <Kamion> gilles: it's not /dev/hda1 in the console
[12:35] <Kamion> er, in the installer
[12:35] <Kamion> use tab-completion, it's there and it's helpful
[12:35] <Kamion> gilles: you probably want /dev/discs/disc0/part1
[12:35] <patrick_> no defrysk flash player :)
[12:36] <lhb> gilles: did you make a directory in mnt where you can mount it too?
[12:36] <patrick_> what can i do
[12:37] <bronson> Kamion: feature request filed.  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2644
[12:37] <Kamion> gilles: oh yes, /mnt doesn't exist in the installer either, mkdir it
[12:37] <gilles> Kamion, ok i got it i sent it to you
[12:37] <Kamion> bronson: ta
[12:38] <gilles> just one min
[12:38] <patrick_> plz help me
[12:39] <Kamion> patrick_: if people don't answer, it's not because we all hate you, it's more likely that nobody who's around right now knows
[12:39] <Kamion> patrick_: you might try mailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>instead
[12:39] <patrick_> ltsp in ubuntu is great
[12:40] <patrick_> the only problems is flash player
[12:40] <deFrysk> patrick_, do you have the nvidia driver installed ?
[12:40] <pisuke> patrick_, what version of flash player?
[12:41] <patrick_> 7.0.25
[12:41] <pisuke> same here and no problem
[12:41] <lhb> suggestion for the wiki, irc faq
[12:42] <patrick_> its fine for me but only in fullscreen in certain sites
[12:42] <pisuke> url?
[12:42] <pigreco> hi, during installation i skipped network configuration, how do I config it now ?
[12:42] <patrick_> its on my network and not accessibvle to others
[12:42] <gilles> Kamion, ok sent it
[12:42] <deFrysk> patrick_, are you running the default firefox of ubuntu ?
[12:43] <plovs_work> bronson, hi you made nice wiki pages!
[12:43] <gilles> Kamion, i must leave back later
[12:44] <patrick_> yes it is 0.93 + 1.0pr reverted to 0.93
[12:44] <hns> I have a webcam Logitech clicksmart. Someone can point me to documentation how to ge this thing working with Ubuntu
[12:44] <gilles> see you soon
[12:44] <deFrysk> patrick_, it work fine on mine :s
[12:45] <pigreco> on the network config i only see "NIL" device but the network card id recognized..
[12:45] <pigreco> i cant understand how can i set eth0 instead of NIL
[12:46] <bronson> plovs_work: thanks!  just trying to understand things.
[12:46] <patrick_> defrysk can i use firefox only in fullscreen
[12:46] <plovs_work> bronson, i noticed we have already four kernel pages, maybe we would need one kernel page with a couple of sub-pages
[12:47] <bronson> It definitely needs a reorg.
[12:47] <bronson> Actually, it makes sense to have three kernel pages, one for each build technique.
[12:48] <plovs_work> bronson, since you did most of the writing and your pages are better then mine could you reorganize it to a bunch of Howto's?
[12:48] <plovs_work> bronson, one with the links and then the other ones as sub/pages?
[12:50] <bronson> plovs_work: that's a good idea.  I don't have time now.  I'm leaving for vacation in <24 hours.
[12:50] <bronson> If nobody else has done it by the time I get back, I might do it.  ;)
[12:50] <plovs_work> bronson, cool! have a nice vacation!
[12:51] <bronson> thanks!
[12:52] <patrick_> defrysk i want to use firefox only in full screen
[12:55] <Kamion> bronson: you guys object to me going through and doing typo fixes and stuff? I found lots just at a quick glance over KernelHowto
[12:56] <Kamion> plovs_work: why does KernelHowto recommend building in /usr/src/ rather than just in your home directory, as would be Right and Proper?
[12:58] <Kamion> gah, and it perpetuates the ancient /usr/src/linux symlink rubbish
[12:58] <Kamion> even the kernel README stopped recommending that a while back
[12:59] <mojo_> Does anyone know how to disable the Hardware System Clock Sync when boot up?
[01:00] <mojo_> Does anyone know how to disable the Hardware System Clock Sync when boot up?
[01:04] <stvn> does ubuntu get bug-fix updates in wartie, or only security updats?
[01:06] <Kamion> stvn: only security updates and perhaps absolutely critical bug fixes
[01:06] <|trey|> Who's Opi?
[01:07] <mojo_> anyknow how to add in a DNS into dhclient.conf??
[01:07] <daniels> 04:07 [opn]  :::: opi<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:08] <|trey|> mojo_: the examples are pretty good... just read what it says...
[01:08] <|trey|> mojo_: if you can't understand that, try webmins frontend for it...
[01:09] <|trey|> Webmin should be supported... and marketed... Novell BrantchOffice... but Open Source...
[01:09] <mojo_> thx trry
[01:09] <|trey|> just |[tab]   :)
[01:09] <Treenaks> |trey|: webmin should be trashed, burned and the authors quartered and hung
[01:09] <mojo_> do u know how to disable annoying time synz at boot time?
[01:09] <Treenaks> |trey|: stupid POS
[01:10] <|trey|> Treenaks: it works  :/  name a better configuration method that you can click with... :/  that + iPrint = almost exactly Novell BranchOffice...
[01:11] <Treenaks> |trey|: Clicking != The Uber Solution To All The Worlds Problems
[01:11] <|trey|> Get files, Configure every computer from one interface....
[01:11] <Zindar> webmin is really really really terrible
[01:12] <|trey|> Treenaks: it just makes things easier... blah  :/
[01:12] <mojo_> trey: I cant install Webmin rite now due to my slow connection, can u tell me what statement to add in DNS x.x.x.x and y.y.y.y in dhclient.conf? I dun understand the example at all
[01:12] <plovs_work> Kamion, no idea, i have always done it this way, i never even *considered* doing it diffrently (a duh might be in order)
[01:12] <DjGeRo> and it makes it's own ways to do things...
[01:12] <DjGeRo> so it sucks
[01:12] <mojo_> trey: I cant install Webmin rite now due to my slow connection, can u tell me what statement to add in DNS x.x.x.x and y.y.y.y in dhclient.conf? I dun understand the example at all
[01:12] <Treenaks> |trey|: easier, yes. but if you want "more than webmin can do" you'll need to re-learn everything because you only know how to click
[01:12] <stvn> Kamion: thanks
[01:13] <Kamion> plovs_work: I'll try to get round to rewriting that today - really don't want to encourage the /usr/src/linux thing, and it will simplify the document considerably
[01:13] <Treenaks> mojo_: the example is very clear, but you'll probably want to  edit resolv.conf, and you can do that using the Network Settings tool in the gnome menu, I guess
[01:13] <|trey|> mojo_: umm... blah... I don't even have bind on this file... tldp.org, DNS howto...
[01:14] <|trey|> Treenaks: hmm, I haven't been using GNOME that long... usually KDE or XFce... didn't know that  :)
[01:14] <plovs_work> Kamion, if you have time for it, you might compare it with the other three kernel pages, you might just remove mine?? what do you think
[01:14] <plovs_work> ColinWatson in tha house?
[01:16] <mojo_> Treenaks: true, I can do it with Net Setting but it will be updated with wrong DNS everytime boot up, that's why I want to fix it in dhclient.conf
[01:16] <Treenaks> mojo_: fix your DHCP server
[01:16] <bronson> Kamion: not at all.
[01:17] <bronson> (I mean, I don't mind you applying changes to the pages)
[01:17] <bronson> You might get rid of the make-kpkg page -- I just don't see how that technique is useful when we've got dpkg-buildpackage and byhand.
[01:18] <bronson> Or move it to a dusty corner of the wiki...
[01:19] <|trey|> bronson: umm, only to distribute over your domain I guess  :/   they are usually simular hardware  :/
[01:20] <bronson> |trey|: ??
[01:20] <Forgiven> hey all. i just was wondering what package ubuntu uses for automatically mounting removable media.
[01:20] <|trey|> bronson: thats the purpose... compile once for all your clients...
[01:21] <|trey|> Then distribute via apt-proxy  :)
[01:21] <bronson> |trey|: well, sure.  It's just that dpkg-buildpackage is a lot easier, and by hand is a lot more flexible.
[01:21] <|trey|> bronson: make-kpkg is just as flexable as byhand...
[01:21] <bronson> Not by a long shot.
[01:22] <bronson> It's got to recompile each kernel from scratch.  You can't make incremental changes.
[01:22] <|trey|> bronson: it just does the make commands for you  :/
[01:22] <bronson> Compare the length of the make-kpkg howto and the byhand howto.  I don't see any advantage...
[01:22] <Kamion> plovs_work: ColinWatson == me
[01:23] <atariboy> is there an easy way get libtoolize?
[01:23] <patrick1548> is there a way to run firefox only in full screen????
[01:23] <Kamion> plovs_work: I'm not sure I have time for large-scale editing; I'm really going through and applying general proofreading skills at the moment
[01:23] <|trey|> bronson: make-kpkg = one command... byhand *can be*
[01:23] <|trey|> just less typing...
[01:23] <plovs_work> Whoever wins the KernelHowto fight, can you make KernelHowto as  top and then add sub-pages to it /CoolKernelHowto /UberCoolKernelHoto etc
[01:23] <plovs_work> Kamion, ok!
[01:24] <bronson> |trey|: by hand: "make modules_install install"
[01:24] <|trey|> make-kpkg kernel_image [name]
[01:24] <patrick1548> is there a way to run firefox only in full screen???? pl?
[01:24] <|trey|> Thats after ./configure && make clean  :/
[01:25] <bronson> |trey|: don't forget to add "--revision=blah"
[01:25] <atariboy> patrick1548: you might wanna try a firefox kiosk extension
[01:25] <patrick1548> or a link to open in a new tab without any extension
[01:25] <bronson> |trey|: make-kpkg requires configure too.
[01:25] <bronson> and it's "make clean" vs. "make-kpkg clean"
[01:25] <|trey|> bronson: I didn't [name]  = --revision
[01:25] <|trey|> Not make clean though, does that...
[01:26] <bronson> Anyhow, debating over a few keystrokes is silly.
[01:26] <SmokingFire> what's a good tool to rip cd's?
[01:26] <SmokingFire> better the nsoundjuicer anyway
[01:26] <|trey|> bronson: thats the point... its the "Debian Way"  :/
[01:26] <enrico_> hello everybody
[01:26] <brosen> SmokingFire: Grip is good
[01:26] <stvn> SmokingFire: what's wrong with sound-juicer? (was about to suggest it)
[01:26] <bronson> |trey|: I'd argue that dpkg-buildpackage is the Debian way.  Or it ought to be.
[01:26] <bronson> It's so much simpler.
[01:26] <SmokingFire> stvn: I want more options
[01:27] <stvn> SmokingFire: ah ok
[01:27] <enrico_> channel: im here to give my spare time for the italian translation of the web site
[01:27] <Kamion> |trey|: "the Debian way" is a pernicious meme that isn't necessarily right
[01:27] <|trey|> bronson: /j #debian-bots, /msg dpkg kp
[01:27] <|trey|> Kamion: and you...
[01:27] <plovs_work> Kamion, you might want to look at AlexanderPoslavsky/PlayGround this will be linked in HowtoHowto (and thanks for renaming it) it will be the Ubuntu Documentation Standard (when it is finished)
[01:27] <Kamion> no
[01:27] <bronson> |trey|: those are the instructions I wrote the make-kpkg wiki page from.
[01:28] <bronson> curse those bots.  :)
[01:28] <|trey|> bronson: you should host a bot from there  :)
[01:28] <enrico_> another thing... why not making the installation as "easy" as in windows xp?
[01:29] <bob2> enrico_: hos is it harder?
[01:29] <|trey|> Thats one thing this channel lacks  :(  I like them, remind me of things... we could customize the db to be Ubuntu specific  :)
[01:29] <Kamion> enrico_: IME the Windows XP installation is already harder than Ubuntu's.
[01:29] <bob2> a bot is a waste of time
[01:29] <plovs_work> enrico_ if that would be our standard, then we would not be aiming very high
[01:29] <bob2> when we have a really good wiki
[01:29] <Kamion> enrico_: but if you have specific problems, file bugs; "why not make it as easy as <foo>" is unhelpful.
[01:29] <plovs_work> bob2, what about a wiki-bot?
[01:30] <ajame> wiki is a bit hard to use
[01:30] <enrico_> bob2: im the co-founder of the btlug (borgo val di taro, italy... everyone's invited for porcino mushroom's based dinner)
[01:30] <bob2> plovs_work: why?
[01:30] <tolly> i just installed tcl and tk, when i compile a program that uses it i get this error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltcl
[01:30] <|trey|> bob2: that requires fireing up another browser though  :(
[01:30] <tolly> how do i fix it?
[01:30] <plovs_work> everytime a question does not get answered for 2 minutes the bot will say: wiki.ubuntulinux.org
[01:30] <bob2> tolly: you need libtcl-dev or so
[01:30] <enrico_> ..: well ive actually installed ubuntu's for my little brothere
[01:30] <Kamion> plovs_work: and a bot can tell when a question has been answered - how?
[01:30] <enrico_> and yes i do think it's not that easy...
[01:31] <tolly> bob2: is it on the tcl/tk website?
[01:31] <enrico_> basically... not everyone knows what the vesa driver is... so
[01:31] <Kamion> enrico_: well, then, file bugs
[01:31] <tolly> i installed the tcl and tk from the website
[01:31] <plovs_work> if i ask a question (...?) and you see no plovs_work:
[01:31] <bob2> tolly: it's in ubuntu
[01:31] <Kamion> plovs_work: very bad heuristic
[01:31] <|trey|> Kamion: at least replyed to... by trigering on ? to remember username, then forget when that nick is typed...
[01:31] <enrico_> considering that is possible... it could be nice making a script to let ubuntu install like knoppix boot
[01:32] <bob2> enrico_: when does anyone need to know what a ves driver is to install?
[01:32] <Kamion> plovs_work: we do not need more noise in this channel, bot-generated or otherwise.
[01:32] <tolly> i installed the one from the website already
[01:32] <enrico_> a safer OS that ms's, in less time
[01:32] <tolly> the one in ubuntu wasnt good
[01:32] <bob2> Kamion: wait until the spambots arrive
[01:32] <tolly> didnt work
[01:32] <Kamion> enrico_: you only need to know about the vesa driver if your graphics card and monitor can't be autodetected.
[01:32] <bob2> tolly: and what package exactly did you install?
[01:32] <bob2> tolly: and what are you compioling?  please don't say eggdrop.
[01:32] <Kamion> enrico_: in which case, this is the best we can do at the present time.
[01:32] <|trey|> Kamion: could /notice the person... is private, but still in channel...
[01:32] <bronson> OK, I gotta run.
[01:32] <bronson> Good night all.
[01:32] <Kamion> no bots, mmkay
[01:33] <|trey|> :(
[01:33] <bronson> I expect to see the wiki twice as big when I get back.  ;)
[01:33] <tolly> i compile the tcl and tk from the tcl/tk website and installed it, im trying to install a program called cnet
[01:33] <philipp1> night bronson :-)
[01:33] <stvn> night bronson
[01:33] <plovs_work> bronson, nice vacation!
[01:33] <bob2> tolly: if you installed tcl from source then you need to point cnet's configure script at what you installed
[01:33] <enrico_> youall: nooo, i dont really think so.. because vesa driver is ok for the 95% of the hw now in commerce... you could make a type of installation were everything is automated...
[01:33] <bob2> tolly: but you really don't need to build tcl from source
[01:33] <enrico_> like at the boot prompt an "easy" option
[01:33] <|trey|> tolly: you have those -dev packages?
[01:33] <bob2> enrico_: vesa is horrible
[01:34] <tolly> i always have trouble with those  packages and stuff, they always stuff up
[01:34] <Kamion> enrico_: that's the intent of the default. it's as automated as we can safely do
[01:34] <enrico_> but it works
[01:34] <Hawkeye> hmm, it seems most services on unbuntu are configured to use the inetd superserver. Is there any way to specify globally you don't want that and will start the services in standalone mode ?
[01:34] <bob2> tolly: then you're doing it wrong
[01:34] <bob2> tolly: come in and ask for help with tat instead of saying it's "broken".
[01:34] <bob2> Hawkeye: no
[01:34] <bob2> Hawkeye: and very few useful services run out of inetd by default.
[01:35] <bob2> maybe samba and ftpds.
[01:35] <|trey|> enrico_: you can have it so the installer just installs files if you really wanted, already...
[01:35] <enrico_> well... with the things im telling you itll be even more automated
[01:35] <|trey|> Thats pretty automated....
[01:35] <Kamion> enrico_: no, it will just break for lots of people and we'll have to support them.
[01:35] <patrick1548> ltsp on ubuntu is great
[01:35] <enrico_> well if it breaks you can reinstall without the "easy" option
[01:35] <enrico_> ...easy as in sex
[01:35] <helix> what the
[01:35] <Kamion> enrico_: we automate graphics card detection; if it doesn't work for you, please see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXautoconfiguration for how to help us improve it.
[01:36] <Hawkeye> bob2: yep, ftpds... but pure-ftpd has an option to configure it as standalone. Apache starts as a daemon on itself too. I'll simply change the configuration of pure-ftpd to start in standonle mode and nuke the inet.d server from the runlevels with update-rc.d
[01:36] <Kamion> enrico_: I am one of the people who would have to support this, and it doesn't work that way
[01:36] <|trey|> Kamion: perhaps only prompt for "type" and list easy - difficult... time out to easy...
[01:36] <Kamion> |trey|: no.
[01:36] <Kamion> |trey|: the default is easy.
[01:36] <bob2> Hawkeye: just don't install inetd then...
[01:36] <|trey|> Kamion: fair enough  :)
[01:36] <Kamion> |trey|: if it isn't easy enough, then we should fix the default.
[01:36] <enrico_> i can support ubuntu in the county of parma
[01:36] <Hawkeye> bob2: it's installed by default
[01:36] <pantz_> do i need to do anything more than 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' to move from the preview release to the 4.1 release?
[01:36] <enrico_> without having ppl to bother you
[01:36] <Hawkeye> and a lot of services depend on it
[01:37] <philipp1> is there a way to copy something from cd to hd and giving it write permissions ?
[01:37] <Kamion> enrico_: I'm the installer team leader; like it or not, people will bother me :-)
[01:37] <enrico_> ... moreover.. it'll be nice to have programs already localizaed
[01:37] <stvn> pantz_: apt-get dist-upgrade is better
[01:37] <bob2> pantz_: there's a page on the wiki about it
[01:37] <Hawkeye> that's the beauty of a system like gentoo, where you simply specify USE=-xinetd before compiling to drop support
[01:37] <enrico_> ...localized...
[01:37] <pantz_> stvn, bob2 thanks
[01:37] <|trey|> Kamion: the X configuration shouldn't be there... IMO, and mail should default to the only user made...
[01:37] <enrico_> bcause firefox isnt
[01:37] <Kamion> |trey|: it isn't, if it's autodetected
[01:37] <bob2> |trey|: hahahahahaha
[01:37] <daniels> enrico_: vesa just isn't an option.
[01:37] <Kamion> |trey|: if it didn't work for you, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXautoconfiguration
[01:38] <bob2> pantz_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fUpgradeNotes
[01:38] <Kamion> |trey|: you don't have to configure mail in the installer
[01:38] <daniels> enrico_: it doesn't necessarily work on all chipsets, it's incredibly slow, et al.  it would support far less hardware than our current setup.
[01:38] <bob2> enrico_: please help localise firefox then
[01:38] <|trey|> Kamion: it was right, but I was prompted to accept each screen... thats how I usually have it... but n00b's might be confused  :(
[01:39] <daniels> |trey|: in that case, you have found a bug, and please follow Kamion's link to debug it and file a bug if you want to see it improved
[01:39] <|trey|> Kamion: oh, well I think you did for the Preview Release? I was kinda high when I installed RC  :o
[01:39] <enrico_> bob2: firefox is already localized in italian... i can help localizing your web site... im only askin to the installer team to plz make autolocalization
[01:39] <enrico_> btw GREAT JOB
[01:39] <plovs_work> Kamion, should we have some sort of DebugCategory? Ending thos kind of docs in Debug? what do you think?
[01:39] <|trey|> ahh... uhh, k  :o
[01:39] <Kamion> |trey|: then X autoconfiguration failed; see the wiki page I quoted
[01:39] <bob2> enrico_: "autolocalization"?
[01:40] <enrico_> yeah... if my system language is italian id like firefox to be in italian to
[01:40] <Kamion> |trey|: may've done for the preview, it was long enough ago that I forget
[01:40] <stvn> enrico_: it does that already, doesn't it, I selected dutch on one of my machines and everything is in dutch, if available
[01:40] <enrico_> not in mine: firefox is in english
[01:40] <SmokingFire> Is there something that looks and feels like soundjuicer but has grip's options?
[01:41] <|trey|> Kamion: I remember cuz I haven't configured Postfix that much... usually use Exim...
[01:41] <mjr> enrico_, hm, do you mean that the language preferences that it sends to web sites should reflect the locale by default?
[01:41] <ajame> stvn, vietnamese is available?
[01:41] <helix> doesn't firefox use some other kind of configuration for l10n?
[01:41] <Kamion> plovs_work: don't look at me for documentation categorisation ideas :)
[01:41] <mojo_> ajama, u viet
[01:41] <mojo_> rite?
[01:41] <stvn> ajame: I don't know really, I would think so, since it is in debian
[01:41] <Kamion> plovs_work: just please don't take the link away from the front page, we want that visible
[01:41] <enrico_> no the menu's language
[01:42] <mojo_> stvn: yes, Viet locale works with me, need install urw font for Viet
[01:42] <Kamion> enrico_: better installation of l10n packages is a target for Hoary.
[01:42] <plovs_work> ok, i'll rename it and put it right back
[01:42] <enrico_> well itll be pretty nice if also the webpage were...
[01:42] <Kamion> enrico_: as are a bunch of other localisation things
[01:42] <|trey|> daniels: link bookmarked... I will do it when no one is on AIM :)
[01:43] <enrico_> thx kamion... UBUNTU is going to be the official release for the basic linux course [obviously free course]  we are organizing
[01:43] <SavuZiil> finally installed ubuntu, as the linux newbie i am i cant install samba, any help would be welcome
[01:43] <mojo_> Hey everone, pitti just give me the update that can't make it to Warty release (too late to add in), it fixes hotplug issues and volume-manger issues, plese get it asap from this respo: deb http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~pitti/utopia/  /
[01:43] <bob2> SavuZiil: run synaptic, select samba
[01:43] <|trey|> enrico_: yay... Ubuntu should have more things like that... Red Hat has classes  :)
[01:43] <bob2> mojo_: are you sure pitti wanted you to get random end-users to install them?
[01:43] <pitti> mojo_: hey, "asap" is a bit too quick :-)
[01:44] <ajame> mojo_, yes
[01:44] <pitti> bob2: actually not
[01:44] <bob2> yeah, didn't think so.
[01:44] <SavuZiil> damn, how can i log in as the root usr
[01:44] <pitti> TO ALL: THIS IS AN UNOFFICIAL ARCHIVE
[01:44] <|trey|> pitti: not at all, cuz if its not possible right now, he doesn't want you to do it  :)
[01:44] <enrico_> so who should i ask to for the website translation
[01:44] <SavuZiil> i only have 1 user
[01:44] <bob2> mojo_: I'm sure martin can broadcast if it he wants to :-)
[01:44] <bob2> SavuZiil: you don't login as root
[01:44] <|trey|> pitti: what cool toys are there?
[01:44] <pitti> |trey|: it is possible, it actually works pretty good
[01:44] <mojo_> yeay bob2
[01:44] <pitti> It's just the latest hal and g-v-m crack
[01:45] <bob2> pitti: built on ppc?
[01:45] <SavuZiil> the whole concept of root is kinda hazy to me
[01:45] <pitti> it fixes some bugs, and probably introduces a hell of a lot of new ones :-)
[01:45] <pitti> bob2: no, not yes
[01:45] <bob2> SavuZiil: run synaptic.  it will ask for your user password. enter it. it will run as root.
[01:45] <pitti> bob2: s/yes/yet/
[01:45] <mojo_> |trey|: cool hack man, it's for next Hoary, I've already got it!
[01:45] <Hawkeye> btw, is there any use for the rsync server that's started up by default ?
[01:45] <bob2> Hawkeye: dude, rsync is not started by default
[01:45] <bob2> Hawkeye: nor is inetd
[01:45] <|trey|> pitti: hal's device manager gain interface to install and remove devices?
[01:45] <Kamion> SavuZiil: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[01:45] <pitti> I will do ppc packages soon, though
[01:46] <bob2> pitti: ah, cool...
[01:46] <SavuZiil> bob2: it says i have to be logged in as root user, i tried to run synaptic from the terminal
[01:46] <pitti> |trey|: no, "maanger" is still the wrong word
[01:46] <bob2> SavuZiil: what says that?
[01:46] <pitti> |trey|: it's a debugging tool
[01:46] <Kamion> SavuZiil: run it from the menu
[01:46] <Kamion> SavuZiil: it's under Computer somewhere
[01:46] <Kamion> SavuZiil: (otherwise, 'sudo synaptic')
[01:46] <|trey|> pitti: hal-device-manager  :/
[01:46] <pitti> bob2: I'm currently syncing and cleaning up g-v-m, upload it to my archive, and then build ppc debs
[01:47] <bob2> pitti: ah, fair enough, I'll have a testrun tommorow
[01:47] <SavuZiil> found it
[01:47] <pitti> |trey|: hal-nice-and-colorful-debugging-tool
[01:47] <|trey|> pitti: but it would be cool to be able to actually CONFIGURE modules, rather then just look at what is loaded  :/
[01:47] <|trey|> I know whats loaded  :/
[01:47] <enrico_> two things...
[01:48] <enrico_> 1) can i install non-ubuntu packages?
[01:48] <SavuZiil> thanx bob2, kamion
[01:48] <enrico_> 2) who should i ask to for the web site translation?
[01:48] <|trey|> If I took this harddrive to another box, and things aren't working, would be cool to NOT have to go to CLI, this is a desktop... You're meant to click things on desktops...
[01:48] <pitti> |trey|: in a restricted sense, the new hal actually allows to configure things
[01:48] <bob2> enrico_: from Debian? probably, but it's not supported.
[01:48] <pitti> |trey|: they added persistent keys, user policies and such
[01:49] <|trey|> pitti: thats one thing I would love to see, thats all  :)
[01:49] <pitti> |trey|: sth of this could be exploited to do very cool things
[01:49] <|trey|> pitti: yay  :)
[01:49] <Kamion> enrico_: we aren't up and running with web site translation facilities yet; patience :-)
[01:49] <enrico_> what about bittorrent? there's no gui in your repository
[01:49] <bob2> enrico_: yes there is.
[01:49] <bob2> enrico_: bittornado includes one.
[01:50] <enrico_> synaptic only has bittorent
[01:50] <thomerz> hiho
[01:50] <|trey|> Better configuration + Netscape Security Services when they are GPL'ed = very good things for the future  :)
[01:50] <bob2> enrico_: it's in universe.
[01:50] <Kamion> the 'bittorrent' package has btdownloadgui, too, if you also install libwxgtk2.4-python
[01:51] <pantz_> b4 updgrading my kernel with 'apt-get install linux-686', uname -a gave me this ouput
[01:51] <pantz_> Linux faramir <IP_ADDRESS>-2-386 #1 Sat Sep 18 09:49:53 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:51] <enrico_> where can i find the universe section in synaptic?
[01:51] <pantz_> and after a reboot i have this ...
[01:51] <pantz_> Linux faramir <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686 #1 Tue Oct 12 13:10:36 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:51] <Kamion> should be in the default sources.list but commented out, go to Settings -> Repositories
[01:51] <thomerz> i have a question, i'm a linux newbie, and have installed ubuntu on my system, but there is no root account bzw. i don't know the root pwd, how can i change this??
[01:51] <|trey|> + IMO Helix
[01:51] <Kamion> in fact, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:51] <pantz_> should i have installed the 'linux-386' package?
[01:51] <Kamion> pantz_: up to you
[01:51] <bob2> thomerz: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:52] <enrico_> sorry
[01:52] <thomerz> thx
[01:52] <enrico_> sorry
[01:52] <pantz_> why did the installer give me a 386 to start with?
[01:52] <mvo_> enrico_: enable it in the repository window
[01:52] <Kamion> pantz_: the installer only installs linux-386 because we only wanted one kernel on the CD
[01:52] <SavuZiil> also can someone help me with installing java (allready downloaded java1.4.2 for linux bin-file , cant really do anything more with it)
[01:52] <pantz_> Kamion, thanks :)
[01:52] <bob2> thomerz: also, it told you after the install that there was no root acount and you should usse sudo
[01:52] <thomerz> yes bob2, but i also need a pwd for sudo
[01:52] <bob2> thomerz: yes, that's your user password
[01:53] <pantz_> Kamion: I have an athlon XP 2500+, is the 686 the optimal package?
[01:53] <thomerz> aaah
[01:53] <bob2> Kamion: doesn't the installer explain the sudo thing?
[01:53] <thomerz> thx bob2
[01:54] <|trey|> bob2: the dialogue still says "Changing user...", misleading, and pretty confusing...
[01:54] <atariboy> libtoolize isn't in universe. how else can i get it? i heard debian packages are not a good idea on ubuntu. would i need to compile it?
[01:54] <|trey|> Validating... would be more clear...
[01:54] <bob2> |trey|: that's not what I'm talking about
[01:54] <bob2> |trey|: if you think it could be clearer, file a bug
[01:55] <Kamion> pantz_: linux-k7, I suspect
[01:55] <Kamion> bob2: yes
[01:55] <bob2> atariboy: it's in the "libtool" package
[01:55] <|trey|> bob2: I'm just mentioning something that confused me at first...
[01:55] <Kamion> |trey|: but it is changing user
[01:55] <|trey|> Set root password, and tried that at first...
[01:55] <Kamion> it's switching privileges to the root user
[01:55] <pantz_> Kamion, so should i 'apt-get remove linux-686 && apt-get install linux-k7'?
[01:56] <Kamion> pantz_: not a big deal, if you want to
[01:56] <|trey|> Kamion: but "Change user" usually means it requires another accounts password... you didn't create one  :/
[01:56] <Kamion> pantz_: I wouldn't remove your running kernel if I were you, though
[01:56] <atariboy> bob2: oh ta. i tried apt-getting libtoolize. is there a command to find items within packages?
[01:56] <pantz_> any real performance change?
[01:56] <Kamion> |trey|: I don't think so
[01:56] <Kamion> pantz_: some, not massive
[01:56] <bob2> atariboy: packages.debian.org
[01:56] <pantz_> ok thanks
[01:56] <bob2> Kamion: is there a plan for a packages.d.o equivalent?
[01:56] <|trey|> Kamion: well, it confused me, so I'm sure it confused others... it was the first time I questioned having made a root...
[01:56] <atariboy> thanks bob2
[01:57] <|trey|> bob2: I asked that too  :)
[01:57] <Kamion> bob2: yes
[01:57] <|trey|> Kamion: yay  :)
[01:59] <SmokingFire> whats a good value for ogg bitrate? And should I use variable bitrate?
[02:00] <bob2> listen to it and see, and yes.
[02:00] <Kamion> "listen to it and hear", surely? :-)
[02:00] <bob2> bah!
[02:00] <SmokingFire> Can I also say with VBR, bitrate can go up but not down.
[02:00] <Treenaks> SmokingFire: I don't use bitrates, I use qualities... -q5
[02:00] <bob2> the default is ~mp3 at 128kbit/s, I think
[02:01] <SmokingFire> Ok, I think I will just look  it up on ogg's site, to many questions, thanks anyway
[02:02] <|trey|> bob2: a *good* mp3 is usually about that  :)
[02:02] <enrico_> well but will the things installed from universe have a link in the menu?
[02:03] <|trey|> enrico_: so far, for me, no... Ubuntu packages should though  :(
[02:03] <|trey|> Only installed bzflag from universe though...
[02:03] <enrico_> well how can i know if a package in universe... or restricted... or main
[02:04] <|trey|> That is a fun game, should be in main  :)
[02:04] <bob2> enrico_: apt-cache show packagename | grep \^Section
[02:04] <enrico_> in synaptic?
[02:05] <|trey|> enrico_: when its not in main or resticted, activate the universe and multiverse repo... when you are done, can then deactivate...
[02:05] <bob2> enrico_: no ide
[02:05] <|trey|> Eventually, there will be a packages.d.o equivelent though apparently  :)
[02:05] <Pizbit> G'damn am I glad I didn't shove a -o in there else I would just have spammed the channel *grin*
[02:06] <|trey|> Pizbit: good job, meet #flood  :)
[02:06] <Pizbit> OTOH got link handling back into xchat, stupid me for screwing that up earlier.
[02:06] <enrico_> |trey|: it isnt a very useful solution
[02:06] <enrico_> ...and how can i open a terminal?
[02:06] <|trey|> enrico_: you can do all that in synaptic...
[02:06] <mvo_> enrico_: it has this little support icon when it's in main, otherwise it's not
[02:06] <enrico_>  apt-cache show packagename | grep \^Section ???
[02:06] <elvstone> hm, i've got a computer set up with ubunto and gnome, and most of the interface are in swedish, but some for some items the translation is missing, and i think this is because of some of the modification ubuntu has made to the gnome it ships.. would it be easy for me to get the .po-files for the gnome that ubuntu uses and correct the translations?
[02:07] <bob2> enrico_: look in the properties
[02:07] <elvstone> has anyone done this themselves?
[02:07] <enrico_> bob2: it says version: warty ...
[02:07] <|trey|> Just 2 clicks in 4 clicks in there... Settings > Repositories > Select the repo, Update, then search...
[02:07] <Pizbit> Argh, silenceing the output of a command totally? &2&1>1 or something innit?
[02:07] <bob2> enrico_: read the Section
[02:07] <enrico_> ahh ok ...got
[02:07] <bob2> Pizbit: > /dev/null 2>&1
[02:07] <|trey|> Just 4 clicks in there... Settings > Repositories > Select the repo, Update, then search...
[02:07] <|trey|> ^ English
[02:07] <Pizbit> Thanks
[02:08] <enrico_> trey: ... then
[02:08] <enrico_> other 4 clicks... to deselect
[02:08] <|trey|> Then "mark for install"...
[02:08] <Pizbit> w00t, that did the trick
[02:08] <|trey|> dselect sucks, at least use aptitude if you need an ncurses interface  :/
[02:09] <|trey|> Synaptic is the best available option for GTK though... desktops are for clicking things...
[02:09] <Kamion> IME aptitude's UI is considerably less comprehensible than dselect
[02:09] <Kamion> I wouldn't recommend either to new users
[02:10] <|trey|> I want my users to only be clicking... then they can't skrew anything up  :/
[02:11] <|trey|> If they're trusted, they can use sudo  :)
[02:11] <|trey|> Pizbit: Pretty easily... everytime I go out it seems like I get a gun pulled on me  :/
[02:11] <Pizbit> Heh
[02:12] <Pizbit> Ahhh, so that's why there's an = sign in the taskbar entry for my program, it means it's shaded:)
[02:12] <|trey|> I can't have a gun, cuz then I'd be in violation  :/
[02:12] <GotD0t> funny
[02:12] <|trey|> Not so much  :/
[02:13] <GotD0t> man.... its friday i have 2 classes today
[02:13] <GotD0t> that sucks
[02:13] <|trey|> I have Fridays off, I rule :)
[02:13] <GotD0t> you suck
[02:13] <Pizbit> Nice
[02:13] <Pizbit> Then again this monday is a public holiday
[02:13] <GotD0t> I have one thats an hour long... and one thats an hour and 40 long
[02:13] <GotD0t> is it?
[02:14] <GotD0t> whic
[02:14] <|trey|> [angryistfaceicanmake]
[02:14] <Pizbit> Here in NZ anyway, so I'm gonna be doing sweet nothing.
[02:14] <GotD0t> oh
[02:14] <GotD0t> NZ... heh
[02:14] <|trey|> Pizbit: I had Monday off... sucked though, cut into Lab time  :(
[02:15] <teroz> h guyz
[02:15] <|trey|> teroz: holla
[02:15] <|trey|> I don't mean that I don't think  :o
[02:16] <mojo_> Pizbit: hello mate, - a hello from fellow OZ neighbor
[02:16] <teroz> this may sound dumb - how do i start gnome - as in there is no startgnome script anymoe
[02:16] <|trey|> teroz: startx
[02:16] <Pizbit> mojo_: Argh! An aussie! :)
[02:16] <|trey|> teroz: X give errors?
[02:16] <mojo_> Pizbit: mate, we won't loose to NZ in rugby!
[02:17] <GotD0t> Its amazing how bad the coffee from the cafeteria at my school is, when compaired to the stuff i got at home
[02:17] <Pizbit> mojo_: See, you're proving that the stereotype is true, aussies are damned liars, every one of them!
[02:17] <|trey|> First time I installed Ubuntu, I was @ 600x480, I was mad  :(  Reinstalling seemed to fix it though, ugh, never got to see why  :(
[02:18] <Pizbit> |trey|: I had a crapload of problems until I use noapic, or was it pci=noacpi? Either way I keep both:)
[02:18] <|trey|> Except every other time, it asked me... so that was ok...
[02:19] <|trey|> Pizbit: I used boot=nofb  :/
[02:19] <Pizbit> Ahh, maybe that's what I need to get rid of that
[02:19] <|trey|> Its not in my grub.conf(menu.lst) though  :/
[02:20] <elvstone> "Ubuntu includes the best translations available for the Ubuntu desktop software (and you can help to improve those translations!)" <- from ubuntu website.. where can i find a public repository of these translations (specifically the one for the gnome ui)?
[02:20] <GotD0t> whats the easiest way to burn MP3's onto a CD for use in a normal cd player?
[02:20] <Pizbit> Just tack on nofb for the grub line eh?
[02:20] <|trey|> elvstone: those are in developement afaik
[02:20] <|trey|> GotD0t: Most would say Sound-Juicer is a good option....
[02:21] <elvstone> |trey|: the translations? i'm aware of that, but aren't the translations in work available somewhere?
[02:21] <GotD0t> |trey| isnt that a ripper?
[02:21] <|trey|> elvstone: not entirely sure, don't know where...
[02:21] <mrjive> GotD0t: line command or gui?
[02:21] <GotD0t> mrjive: either way
[02:21] <|trey|> GotD0t: yes... thats what you wanted... to get the cd's music files onto your disk?
[02:21] <elvstone> |trey|: i'm interested in fixing some things with the swedish translation (which is OK in standard gnome, but a bit broken on ubuntu).
[02:22] <|trey|> harddisk*
[02:22] <GotD0t> |trey| no... the other way around
[02:22] <mrjive> GotD0t: there are several, eroaster is not bad, for me :)
[02:22] <|trey|> GotD0t: from harddrive to cd?
[02:22] <GotD0t> mrjive: does it come preinstalled?
[02:22] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, try grip
[02:22] <elvstone> |trey|: it's weird how they say you can help out but they don't have their changes in public anywhere..
[02:22] <mrjive> GotD0t: nope
[02:23] <GotD0t> k... really wanted to do it before I leave for class... the CD's in my car are pissing me off
[02:23] <GotD0t> guess not going to happen
[02:23] <|trey|> GotD0t: Umm... cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --speed=<some_number> --audio file1.audio file2.audio
[02:23] <|trey|> Thats the way I use... faster  :/
[02:23] <Treenaks> no -- before speed, afaik
[02:23] <enrico_> i've installed xmms but it doenst display in multimedia menu
[02:23] <|trey|> Treenaks: man cdrecord  :/
[02:24] <sjoerd> cd
[02:24] <|trey|> enrico_: add it...
[02:24] <enrico_> i can...
[02:24] <enrico_> but a normal user can't
[02:25] <mrjive> Treenaks: you're right, no -- before speed
[02:25] <|trey|> Right click within the multimedia menu, entire menu > add new item to this menu... works for my regular user  :/
[02:25] <mojo_> Pizbit: mate, calm down
[02:25] <GotD0t> well you can also exit and restart X
[02:26] <Pizbit> mojo_: Heh, you didn't take that seriously did ya?
[02:26] <|trey|> mrjive: umm, well it works for me as --speed... I burn everything with cdrecord  :/
[02:26] <|trey|> Which amounts to about 3 discs a week...
[02:26] <GotD0t> well im off... gotta finish getting ready for class
[02:27] <|trey|> 4 days of which don't count, cuz on those days I have no time...
[02:27] <mrjive> |trey|: ok maybe it is the same... i never put -- before speed :)
[02:27] <GotD0t-learnin> aww
[02:27] <GotD0t-learnin> heh
[02:27] <|trey|> mrjive: cool... 2 less charectors... if it breaks I know where to find you  ;)
[02:27] <mojo_> Pizbit: nah mate
[02:28] <mrjive> |trey|: :PP
[02:29] <|trey|> mrjive: he tried to correct me though, shouldn't correct something that isn't wrong...
[02:29] <mrjive> |trey|: :)
[02:30] <|trey|> Can say "ya know, -- isn't needed  ;)"... would be better recieved  :)
[02:30] <enrico_> WHAT I HUMBLY WANTED TO MEAN is that a normal user that wants to install a programs... would also like to have it linked as in windows... some kinds of automation
[02:31] <|trey|> enrico_: I already said that I agree, they should be added... but their not... add it manually... file a bug though perhaps?
[02:32] <|trey|> enrico_: and don't yell... please  :)
[02:32] <mrjive> ciao enrico_
[02:33] <enrico_> ciao a te
[02:34] <ctalkep> hi there
[02:34] <pantz_> now that i have done a 'apt-get install linux-k7' - how did i remove the linux-686 i just apt-get installed b4 it?
[02:34] <pantz_> i tried apt-get remove linux-686 and it did stuff but didn't remove the kernel
[02:34] <pantz_> and it is still in my grub menu.lst