[00:00] <zerone> System > Pref > Mouse?
[00:01] <crimsun> quaddi: please pastebin them after sanitising them as you feel appropriate
[00:01] <Mimi> Prez00 said: Ans there they are, I am looking at several mirrors being updated as we speak to Release version.... I just came back to my computer and read that... what.. really?! :D
[00:01] <quaddi> may I Pm you with the sanitized output?
[00:02] <Blice> Hi. I had a question- How do I disable a certain connection in 8.04?
[00:02] <Blice> I used to just click on the minus/plus sign by the connection's name in Network Manager
[00:02] <Blice> But it doesn't do anything now
[00:02] <Blice> (And yes, I unlocked it)
[00:03] <zerone> how about going into properties
[00:03] <Prez00> Mimi: did you read follow up to that?
[00:03] <Blice> Yeah I can do that
[00:03] <Blice> And it lets me disable/enable roaming
[00:03] <Prez00> Mimi: haha... at least got one..
[00:03] <zerone> won't that do it?
[00:04] <Blice> No? Before I could go "Disable wireless connection"
[00:04] <Mimi> Prez00, No, everything before that has been cut of (i think max is 30 lines that show, or something)
[00:04] <crimsun> quaddi: sure
[00:05] <crimsun> quaddi: you need to be registered and identified on this ircnet to do so, however.
[00:05] <crimsun> (at least given my client's config)
[00:05] <zerone> Blice: sorry i can't help you there...
[00:06] <Blice> Also, only one window has borders. No title bar, no side borders; Only the active window has them. So when I select a new window, the window I selected from loses it's borders and the new one gets borders.
[00:06] <Blice> :(
[00:07] <Blice> I hope somehow they pull off a whole bunch of updates tomorrow that fixes all of these problems 8)
[00:07] <mneptok> Blice: disable Compiz.
[00:07] <Blice> mneptok: Entirely? :(
[00:07] <mneptok> yes
[00:07] <Blice> >:
[00:07] <Blice> So compiz is buggy in 8.04?
[00:08] <quaddi> I have not experienced that.
[00:08] <Blice> Maybe I'll reinstall it
[00:10] <quittt> why the devices do not appear on XFCE desktop?!?! I've just updated it!
[00:11] <Artimus> Should all of my harddrives have changed from being labeled as hd* to sd*?  As in, hda is now sda, hdb->sdb, etc in Hardy?
[00:11] <Artimus> What are those new drivers called?
[00:12] <Blice> quit
[00:14] <hwilde> help my /etc/timezone file is correct, but when I type in "date" it shows UTC time not adjusted?
[00:15] <ubuntucool123> whats the difference between Ubuntu 8.04 and Ubuntu 8.04.1?
[00:16] <rsk> ubuntucool123: 8.04 isn't released and 8.04.1 isn't _also_ so no difference yet.
[00:18] <admin1> hey, i need help to configure NVIDIA display on kubuntu 8.04 anyone?pls?
[00:18] <hwilde> !nvidia | admin1
[00:18] <ubotu> admin1: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:20] <admin1> i have the driver (from the gui) but the max res is 800/640.. too bloody big and i cannot find a way to change that,,
[00:20] <hwilde> nvidia-settings
[00:20] <admin1> ;
[00:21] <admin1> from the trminal bu sudo?
[00:21] <admin1> by
[00:21] <hwilde> not sudo
[00:21] <quaddi> crimsum: Chain ufw-user-output (1 references)
[00:21] <quaddi> target     prot opt source               destination
[00:21] <quaddi> RETURN     all  --  <IP_ADDRESS>/0            <IP_ADDRESS>/0
[00:21] <quaddi> I think thats my problem
[00:22] <admin1> in the teminal.. just "nvidia-settings"?
[00:23] <Sporting> c'mon....! release it...
[00:24] <hwilde> so why would my system show UTC instead of the timezone adjusted time ?
[00:24] <hmuller> What happens to #ubuntu+1 after the release?
[00:24] <mneptok> it explodes.
[00:24] <clem> hmuller: it then refers to the next release I guess
[00:24] <applesucks> whens hardy getting released?
[00:24] <clem> applesucks: today
[00:24] <hmuller> applesucks: next week
[00:25] <emet> hmuller, what mneptok said, be careful from the explosion
[00:25]  * hmuller grins
[00:25] <emet> I was in here when Gutsy was out
[00:25] <emet> I think the channel shuts down for a few weeks
[00:25] <emet> then it opens again about a week before the first alpha is out
[00:26] <hmuller> I'm ready to start testing the next release, Irate Iguana
[00:26] <hwilde> everybody is doing all those cool things they wanted to do, but weren't included in the rc, now that they have a chance
[00:26] <Gnine> !intrepid
[00:26] <ubotu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[00:27] <hmuller> I'm STILL ready to start testing Irate Iguana
[00:28] <cpk1> i hope ibex has kde 4.1
[00:28] <emet> it prolly will
[00:29] <DanaG> intrepid........
[00:29] <DanaG> reminds me of cars.
[00:29] <ajmitch> mneptok: explodes into lots of shiny ponies?
[00:30] <emet> two things intrepid will probably have is a new theme and improved init scripts
[00:30] <mikedep334> hello, what is the preferred method of upgrading gutsy to hardy?
[00:30] <hwilde> !upgrade | mikedep334
[00:30] <ubotu> mikedep334: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[00:31] <emet> mikedep334, sudo update-manager -d
[00:31] <mikedep334> thx
[00:31] <emet> mikedep334, make sure you have a reliable internet connection before doing the upgrade
[00:31]  * hmuller prefers backing up and installing fresh
[00:31] <mikedep334> emet: I do
[00:31] <hwilde> image your harddrive and then buy a new harddrive
[00:32] <mikedep334> actually
[00:32] <mikedep334> that reminds me
[00:32] <mikedep334> I intend to put a new faster hard drive in my machine
[00:32] <hwilde> storage is cheap
[00:32] <hwilde> losing your data sucks
[00:32] <hwilde> just buy more
[00:32] <mikedep334> I mihgt as well install hardy new to that
[00:32] <hwilde> !themes | juice__
[00:32] <ubotu> juice__: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[00:32] <mikedep334> thx
[00:33] <juice__> !changethemes
[00:33] <ubotu> To change gnome themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu. Xubuntu users should /msg ubotu xfce-themes
[00:33] <emet> hwilde, true I've had three machines I've upgraded so far and one of them broke weirdly during the upgrade
[00:33] <histo> How can you tell which video driver you are using in Hardy?  xorg.conf just says configured video driver
[00:33] <hackel> Are there no longer any music players that support connecting over smb with this new gvfs?
[00:33] <emet> the other two seem  to be perfect upgrades though
[00:33] <hwilde> histo,  lsmod   then look for video
[00:33] <hmuller> histo: or look at the section "configured video driver"
[00:34] <hwilde> emet, the cost of eliminating the risk is just a new harddrive away, that you will inevitably purchase anyways
[00:34] <histo> hmuller: Have you not seen an xorg.conf from a fresh install of hardy?
[00:35] <hmuller> histo: Yes, but I promptly reconfigured it
[00:35] <hwilde> not much to see there lol
[00:35] <hmuller> histo: take the other advice if it only says vesa, look at lsmod
[00:35] <histo> Wow I give up
[00:35] <mneptok> histo: lsmod
[00:36] <histo> mneptok: yeah
[00:36] <hmuller> histo: you quit too easy.  Run this in a terminal: $ lspci | grep VGA , that will tell you you what your graphics controller is ...
[00:37] <hmuller> histo: then you can google for what the normal module used is, then confirm that it's loaded using lsmod
[00:37] <histo> hmuller: I know what it is I want to know what driver X is using thats all
[00:37] <hmuller> histo: Take a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:37] <histo> I want to understand how the hell X works now without a valid xorg.conf with hardy.
[00:37] <hmuller> histo:  brace for a learning experience
[00:37] <histo> Because i'm having all sorts of issues
[00:38] <histo> specifically with hardy and my i915
[00:38] <histo> Gutsy had no slow downs etc... Hardy is pretty much useless on this pc.
[00:38] <elmer> #ubuntu-release-party
[00:38] <elmer> oops
[00:38] <elmer> sorry
[00:39] <dwidmann> histo: you can still force it to use whatever settings you want
[00:39] <cpk1> yeah is there some documentation somewhere on the new way hardy comes with xorg.conf setup?
[00:39] <histo> Thats all i want cpk1
[00:39] <hmuller> histo:  did you already blow away your Gutsy partition?
[00:40] <hmuller> cpk1: not that I'm aware of
[00:40] <jac0b> does anyone know how to adjust the mouse speed?
[00:40] <cpk1> otherwise why even bother making it so drastically different if everyone just has to revert back to the old way
[00:40] <Exilant> Anyone using an usb modem(3g cellphone) in hardy? it was in /dev/modem in gutsy, in hardy i so far only managed to get it working with bluetooth, should it still be in /dev/modem?
[00:40] <dwidmann> cpk1: it'll probably be improved with subsequent releases
[00:41] <dwidmann> cpk1: probably another one of those framework of the future, dog turd of today type of deals
[00:41] <hmuller> jac0b: System > Preferences > Mouse something or the other
[00:41] <jac0b> hmuller: that doesn work for me
[00:41] <cpk1> that doesnt really make any sense, why not just know they have teh framework and then prepare it for the next release?
[00:41] <jac0b> hmuller: I tried it and it made it worse actually
[00:42] <JimiIL> friends, i have install nvidia-settings on kubuntu8.04 but i just can't see all the options du the screen's res, i'm trying to set it to more than 640*480 but in the gui setting centre i just can't, please give me any advice to change that..
[00:42] <dwidmann> cpk1: dunno
[00:42] <histo> hmuller: this is a machine I use to test distros on.
[00:43] <cpk1> I have a feeling that there are going to be a lot of xorg.conf questions in the following days =P
[00:43] <histo> hmuller: Just noticing some huge issues with hardy which is typical stuff with new releases aparently
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> uhh yeah
[00:43] <arcticpenguin380> /join #ubuntu-release-party
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> and dpkg-reconfigure xorg doesn't work
[00:43] <d4t4min3r> how can i kill an application
[00:43] <hmuller> jac0b: You'll have to read up on the x mouse driver and adjust your xorg.conf
[00:43] <d4t4min3r> its frozen up
[00:43] <histo> d4t4min3r: an X app or terminal?
[00:44] <d4t4min3r> add/remove applications
[00:44] <histo> d4t4min3r: alt+f2 and run xkill
[00:44] <bernier> Hi, is grub2 ready to be used or it's highly unstable?
[00:44] <histo> d4t4min3r: although you may not want to kill it if its working on something.
[00:44] <hmuller> histo: Yeah, I've been testing on my machine for three months now.  All the bugs are worked out except resuming from suspend/resume.  But that's a proprietary driver issue.
[00:44] <histo> hmuller: I experience bugs that go unfixed with every release of ubuntu.
[00:45] <histo> Major ones in my opinion.  Nothing new to me.
[00:45] <d4t4min3r> it keeps getting stuck
[00:45] <d4t4min3r> reloading the list
[00:45] <JimiIL> pls anyone know how to change the NVIDIA res throw the terminal?
[00:45] <d4t4min3r> just sits there doesnt do anything
[00:46] <cpk1> JimiIL: you need to edit xorg.conf  to include resolutions you know your monitor supports. which is what we were just discussing because they completely changed the xorg.conf layout
[00:47] <histo> Wonderful advances in X gotta love it.
[00:47] <JimiIL> amm.. can you explain how should i do it? (im new to linux :-( )
[00:48] <histo> JimiIL: through System > Preferences > Desktop Size
[00:48] <histo> JimiIL: err Screen Resolution
[00:48] <histo> wow I need sleep had enough buntu blunders for me.
[00:48] <d4t4min3r> yeah im trying to install something and its freezing up as well
[00:49] <cpk1> on kde4 I have to use the nvidia settings app to change my resolution
[00:49] <d4t4min3r> anyone have any ideas
[00:49] <d4t4min3r> the add/removie applications doesn't work for me
[00:50] <Shpook> I'm upgrading now, have there been any issues with sound/video/network/etc with the upgrade as there has been before?
[00:50] <JimiIL> okay.. but in the graphical menu (screen res) this is the "bigger" res, and  my screen\video card supports more than that
[00:51] <d4t4min3r> anyone else have this issue?
[00:53] <macd_> Has anyone noticed firefox issues (other than flash) that deal with page load times?  I open a few tabs and it seems none will ever finish, you have to open one thing at a time, its almost like its hanging on DNS lookups
[00:54] <Mimi> Yes. Pretty much everyobe
[00:54] <macd_> I even tried FF2 on hardy, same thing, but not on ff2/3 on gutsy
[00:54] <macd_> something seems really wrong
[00:54] <macd_> I don't see how you can release when the web browser is an obvious fail ;)
[00:55] <_derspankster> macd_: I have a site that I cannot resolve at all in 8.04
[00:55] <macd_> _derspankster, me too, digg.com.
[00:55] <_derspankster> mcad_: mine is dslreports.com
[00:55] <macd_> I've been through the motions of turning all the IP6 related stuff off (how silly of spec to enable that by default devs)
[00:56] <_derspankster> macd_: I can get to digg
[00:57] <macd_> _derspankster, its different for everyone, form what I gather, as to what sites they can'can't see
[00:57] <d4t4min3r> anyone else having the add/remove applications freeze for everything.. as well as update manager
[00:57] <d4t4min3r> i can install or remove anything... nor check for updates
[00:57] <_derspankster> macd+: interestingly enough, this just started yesterday for me
[00:58] <macd_> _derspankster, that is odd, is your general internet browsing slow? or just no go on that single site?
[00:59] <_derspankster> macd_: not really, just can't resolve that site.
[00:59] <macd_> _derspankster, you behind a router?
[00:59] <ltracy__> Is anybody familiar with compat-wireless-2008?
[00:59] <ltracy__> i.e. what did I do by installing it
[00:59] <_derspankster> macd_: yes
[01:00] <macd_> _derspankster, have you tried resetting your router, and broadband device while your PC is off?
[01:00] <_derspankster> macd_: no, but the other computers on my network are not having trouble with this site.
[01:01] <macd_> _derspankster, yeah I know I saw that in the other channel, I just have an idea with some caching going on.....
[01:01] <macd_> _derspankster, plus it couldn't hurt to try ;)
[01:01] <d4t4min3r> anyone know about any add/remove applications errors
[01:01] <d4t4min3r> it doesnt work... just freezes up
[01:01] <hackel> Pulseaudio finally seems to be behaving for me, but now whenever I use it I get this really annoying high-pitched ringing sound.  Anyone else heard of this, or know of a solution?
[01:02] <macd_> d4t4min3r, in a console, does 'sudo apt-get update' return any errors?
[01:02] <_derspankster> macd_: I've tried a new profile, you name it. I could give it a try if I can get my wife to stop gaming on her computer
[01:02] <d4t4min3r> unable to resolve host name
[01:02] <eternal_p> 'evening all...I have a weird problem...clean install of RC1, if and when Pidgin dies, I cannot load any other programs (Firefox, etc) it seems to load in the background, but I cannot access anything, all I can do is a reboot from a TUI screen, any thoughts?
[01:02] <d4t4min3r> macd_: sudo: unable to resolve host name
[01:02] <macd_> _derspankster, yeah I think turning your box off, then restarting both devices after a short time of being powered off, might solve your problem.
[01:03] <macd_> d4t4min3r, you changed your hostname by editing a file didnt you ;)
[01:03] <d4t4min3r> i didnt edit anything
[01:03] <d4t4min3r> when i did fresh install i had serious problems with my wifi connection
[01:03] <d4t4min3r> it wouldnt stay connected
[01:03] <_derspankster> macd_: I can give it a shot.
[01:03] <d4t4min3r> right now im connected on a neighbors wifi and its working
[01:03] <d4t4min3r> i dono
[01:03] <macd_> d4t4min3r, hmmm, odd, you'll need to reboot into recovery mode, and type "hostname whateveryouwanthere" then reboot and it should be fine
[01:04] <d4t4min3r> i cant do it from here?
[01:04] <d4t4min3r> has to be in recov mode?
[01:04] <macd_> yes.
[01:04] <d4t4min3r> so just boot into recov and type in
[01:04] <jac0b> I found the setting to change the speed of your mouse if the gui tool doesn´t word use "xset"
[01:04] <d4t4min3r> hostname Home
[01:04] <macd_> d4t4min3r, yep
[01:04] <d4t4min3r> thanks
[01:04] <d4t4min3r> ill be back i hope
[01:04] <macd_> ;)
[01:04] <DanaG> wait
[01:04] <DanaG> just 'hostname' isn't a fix for anything.
[01:05] <macd_> It changes both locations
[01:05] <d4t4min3r> ok.. im still here
[01:05] <DanaG> You need to edit /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
[01:05] <macd_> DanaG, hostname sets those :/
[01:05] <DanaG> It does now?  Last time I did that, it took effect only for current session.
[01:05] <DanaG> <IP_ADDRESS>       localhost GLaDOS.localdomain
[01:05] <DanaG> <IP_ADDRESS>       GLaDOS GLaDOS.localdomain
[01:05] <DanaG> 'glados' is my hostname.
[01:06] <d4t4min3r> soo....
[01:06] <d4t4min3r> i need to change in a second spot as well
[01:06] <d4t4min3r> ?
[01:06]  * macd_ thinks no
[01:06] <macd_> I also have <IP_ADDRESS> localhost, <IP_ADDRESS> myhostname
[01:07] <d4t4min3r> is there a way i can check
[01:07] <d4t4min3r> to see my host name from here
[01:07] <macd_> yeah, cat /etc/hostname and cat /etc/hosts
[01:07] <macd_> paste it to pastebin
[01:07] <macd_> !paste | d4t4min3r
[01:07] <ubotu> d4t4min3r: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[01:08] <d4t4min3r> its not much i can just say it here... /hostname was   Home
[01:08] <d4t4min3r> and hosts was <IP_ADDRESS> localhost
[01:08] <d4t4min3r> <IP_ADDRESS> Home.<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:08] <d4t4min3r> then some Ipv6 stuff below
[01:09] <d4t4min3r> do i still need to edit my hostname?
[01:11] <macd_> d4t4min3r, hmm, that looks fine actually
[01:12] <d4t4min3r> any idea what i should do
[01:12] <macd_> d4t4min3r, out of curiosity have you rebooted and tried todo what you were doing earlier?
[01:12] <d4t4min3r> yeah
[01:13] <d4t4min3r> rebooted several times due to connection problems
[01:13] <d4t4min3r> when i did sudo dhclient wlan0
[01:13] <macd_> d4t4min3r, can you do sudo anything? like "sudo pico test"
[01:13] <d4t4min3r> i also get cannot resolve host
[01:13] <macd_> ohhh, interesting
[01:13] <macd_> can't sudo anything
[01:13] <_derspankster> macd_: that did the trick - thanks!
[01:13] <ecubuntu> d4t4min3r, still have problems?
[01:13] <d4t4min3r> d4t4min3r@Home:~$ sudo pico test
[01:13] <d4t4min3r> sudo: unable to resolve host Home
[01:13] <d4t4min3r> d4t4min3r@Home:~$
[01:15] <d4t4min3r> for some reason connecting to my own router wouldnt work that good but im connected to my neighbbors and its working fine...
[01:15] <macd_> d4t4min3r, you'll have to reboot into recovery, but I think if you change the <IP_ADDRESS> localhost, to <IP_ADDRESS> Home, may work
[01:15] <d4t4min3r> so just type
[01:15] <d4t4min3r> hostname home
[01:16] <d4t4min3r> or something else?
[01:16] <macd_> well, no, lets try editing the file /etc/hosts in recovery mode, do that by typing 'pico /etc/hosts'
[01:16] <gluer> hey its already the 24th here in Melbourne, Can I download hardy now??
[01:17] <Mimi> ....
[01:17] <d4t4min3r> do that in recovery mode or from here
[01:17] <Mimi> gluer... it's ONE DAY until release, ONE DAY regardless where you are :P
[01:17] <macd_> d4t4min3r, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/195308/comments/12
[01:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195308 in linux-meta "unable to resolve host (dup-of: 32906)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32906 in sudo "sudo shouldn’t ABSOLUTELY NEED to look up the host it’s running on" [High,In progress]
[01:17] <macd_> d4t4min3r, read that link, it has a method to change it without rebooting
[01:17] <_derspankster> macd_: I've never encountered anything like that before. My router is on 24/7
[01:17] <macd_> _derspankster, something was cached somewhere.....
[01:18] <gluer> mimi: false advertising then... today is the 24th!
[01:18] <_derspankster> macd_: I appreciate your help. I'll keep that in mind.
[01:18] <Mimi> It's the stopped irc channel :P Yeah but if you go on the website, it says "ONE DAY LEFT!"  ^_^;
[01:18] <macd_> _derspankster, anytime
[01:19] <d4t4min3r> ok so i see this in my host tab
[01:19] <d4t4min3r> <IP_ADDRESS> localhost
[01:19] <d4t4min3r> <IP_ADDRESS> home.<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:19] <d4t4min3r> what do i chagne
[01:19] <macd_> d4t4min3r, change localhost, to home
[01:19] <_derspankster> Even if you started with the beta and upgraded every day, you're essentially running final - are you not?
[01:19] <macd_> _derspankster, yes
[01:20] <_derspankster> macd_: that's what I thought
[01:20] <d4t4min3r> yah
[01:20] <d4t4min3r> it works
[01:20] <macd_> d4t4min3r, nice.
[01:20] <d4t4min3r> let me carefully try my own connection
[01:21]  * macd_ is totally floored by the amount of simple bugs that are going into the release :(
[01:22] <ecubuntu> d4t4min3r, u get fix your coneccion?
[01:22] <_derspankster> Actually, I've had very few issues with 8.04
[01:23] <macd_> _derspankster, I wish I could say the same, some of things I value as core useability items, are just epic fails with 8.04.
[01:25] <_derspankster> I do miss my FF extensions though
[01:25] <macd_> _derspankster, wel, thats a mozilla thing
[01:25] <ubuntucool123> my laptop ran ubuntu 7.10 with compiz fusion fine. Now with ubuntu 8.04 RC it can't run compiz fusion. It is a compaq evo n800v and ati mobility radeon 7500. Any ideas?
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> _derspankster: one of the biggest issues with Dapper was the non-availability of firefox 2..
[01:25] <macd_> reboot time.
[01:25] <_derspankster> macd_: for instance, what? Yes, I know the extensions willeventually be updated.
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> ubuntucool123: does that use fglrx?
[01:25] <ecubuntu> macd_, can u help me? i have almost the same issue like d4t4min3r
[01:25] <ubuntucool123> nosrednaekim: I tried using the fglrk driver but no luck
[01:25] <ISS_Student> Anybody know how to fix realtek sound in 8.04 I installed RC1 and it worked fine then I did all the updates and now it stopped working
[01:25] <ubuntucool123> fglrx
[01:25] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: what's yer problem with it?
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> ubuntucool123: were you using fgrlx in 7.10?
[01:25] <ubuntucool123> it doesn't have desktop effects :(
[01:25] <ubuntucool123> no in 7.10 i was using the open source driver
[01:25] <skep> desktop effects are overrated
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> ubuntucool123: ah ok. then don't use fglrx here.
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> ubuntucool123: what does "glxinfo | grep Direct" say?
[01:26] <ubuntucool123> ill just see what it says...
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> grep -i Direct that is......
[01:30] <ubuntucool123> It says "direct rendering: Yes"
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> ok.... now, run "compiz --replace" from the command line and see what ti says
[01:31] <d4t4min3r> my connection is still buggy... it wasnt droping out as bad but its like crawling slow
[01:31] <d4t4min3r> and i couldnt connect to irc
[01:32] <d4t4min3r> i wonder how the neighbors connection works.. but mine doenst
[01:32] <ubuntucool123> Checking for Xgl: Not Present - Found laptop using ati driver - zborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity ; then it just shows a blinking cursor
[01:33] <ubuntucool123> ?
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> woah....
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> never seen THAT one before
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> ask in #compiz-fusion and show them that error
[01:35] <ubuntucool123> ok ill try that thanks
[01:37] <d4t4min3r> anyone have any suggestions about my connection issues
[01:44] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: if you replied to me I missed it, if you didn't see anything I wrote, it's cos my connection died :(
[01:44] <d4t4min3r> can someone help me
[01:45] <fluffman> what's wrong d4t4min3r
[01:45] <d4t4min3r> my wifi connection is messed up
[01:45] <d4t4min3r> i have linksys 54gs router and a wusb54gv4   usb wifi device
[01:45] <d4t4min3r> right now im connected to my neighbors connection wich works fine
[01:46] <d4t4min3r> but if i connect to my own network it drops out and or goes very very slow
[01:46] <macd> d4t4min3r, does your router have encryption enabled?
[01:46] <ubuntucool123> my wireless - it doesn't automatically connect. how do i make it so it does?
[01:46] <d4t4min3r> no
[01:46] <macd> d4t4min3r, also that could be a sign of a failing router/access point, my dlink acted like that then it went poof one day
[01:47] <macd> d4t4min3r, do you have another computer running linux you could try? or does it behave as expected in windows
[01:47] <fluffman> ubuntucool123: right click on network manager, and lcick edit wireless networks
[01:47] <d4t4min3r> this usb wifi device works fine on my other windows machine to the router
[01:47] <d4t4min3r> and its working fine now connnected to the neibhors netowrk
[01:47] <fluffman> remove all of the networks listed there except for the one you want to connect to
[01:48] <fluffman> d4t4min3r: are there any available restricted drivers to install?
[01:48] <fluffman> under system > admin > hardware drivers?
[01:49] <tomd123> does anyone know about how to install the s1/s2 keys on sony laptops?
[01:49] <d4t4min3r> there is a nvidia accelerated graphics driver
[01:49] <d4t4min3r> nothing else
[01:49] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: as you're on an ati card I'd like to hear if you manage to get stuff to play in windows once you've got the 3d desktop going
[01:50] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: make sure you dont have this:        Option      "Composite" "disable"
[01:50] <tomd123> I got everything to work except my s1/s2 keys (I even got the camera working)
[01:50] <ubuntucool123> i got the solution off #compiz-fusion
[01:51] <d4t4min3r> any ideas?
[01:51] <macd> d4t4min3r, could you issue this command "cat /var/log/syslog | grep NetworkManager > ~/Desktop/network.txt"  then paste the contents of network.txt to a pastebin
[01:52] <JPSman> okeydokey
[01:55] <darthanubis> asked it been asked yet?
[01:56] <kahrytan> How do you install skins for Audacious now?
[01:56] <JPSman> I would like some help explaining the process of installing drivers by "pulling (them) along with full kernel sources using the GIT content tracker"
[01:56] <darthanubis> no
[01:56] <Asa_A> How can I verify that my PulseAudio is running? My PulseAudio Manager says that the connection was refused.
[01:56] <d4t4min3r> macd: would this list anything i woudlnt want getting out...
[01:56] <darthanubis> "when is the final?!!!!?"
[01:56] <d4t4min3r> ipaddresses or anything
[01:56] <darthanubis> ;)
[01:57] <d4t4min3r> fluffman:
[01:57] <JPSman> trying to install new rt2x00 drivers because 2.6.24 is weak
[01:57] <macd> d4t4min3r, I dont think anyone would really concern themselves with it, but you can priv msg me the pastebin link if youd like instead of making it public
[01:58] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: ok, what was it?
[01:58] <JPSman> can anyone help with driver creatioin and installation?
[01:58] <fluffman> d4t4min3r: yes?
[01:58] <ubuntucool123> _Lucretia_: What do you mean?
[01:59] <macd> d4t4min3r, your network is the one called linksys right/
[01:59] <d4t4min3r> yes
[01:59] <d4t4min3r> macd yes
[01:59] <Kill_X> JPSman: rt2x00 drivers (from linux-backports-modules) are known to increase signal weakness. If you're experiencing a weak signal, you most probably don't want to install these modules
[01:59] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: ok, your solution for getting 3d desktop working doesn't really matter, but can you play movies in a window without flicker?
[02:00] <d4t4min3r> see anything interesting
[02:00] <ubuntucool123> _Lucretia_:i havn't tried yet. i'll try it and let you know
[02:00] <heartsblood> Pulseaudio was meant to fully replace esound right?
[02:00] <JPSman> Kill_X: well I get just fine signals with 2.6.22-14  -  would it screw anything up if I used 2.6.22-14 with hardy?
[02:00] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: k, thanks
[02:01] <ubuntucool123> _Lucretia_: Um... I wont be able to play dvd's on it because it it a faulty cd drive.
[02:01] <heartsblood> I don't quite understand why I have esound-common and pulseaudio installed
[02:01] <heartsblood> and I can't uninstall esound without completely uninstalling gnome
[02:02] <macd> d4t4min3r, run 'sudo apt-get install nscd' in console
[02:02] <eternal_p> 'evening all...I have a weird problem...clean install of RC1, if and when Pidgin dies, I cannot load any other programs (Firefox, etc) it seems to load in the background, but I cannot access anything, all I can do is a reboot from a TUI screen, any thoughts?
[02:02] <macd> d4t4min3r, then try your linksys again, its the only thing I can come up with
[02:02] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: go into the screensaver prefs, is the gl overlay flickering? this is the same problem for me
[02:02] <bluefoxx> two issues: one: how can i get a new xbox 360 controller working inmy computer[got it $4 with usb adaptor] and two: whear the hell did my nvidia driver go? i went back to my old 6200 and it wont let me install the nvidia-glx-new, and thus cant use compiz[and WINE crashes]
[02:02] <macd> heartsblood, they call that a dependency. but as to why it is, you got me, aptitude can overcome those links, better than apt-get
[02:03] <d4t4min3r> k one second im updating the system
[02:03] <ubuntucool123> _Lucretia_: No it seems to be fine with "4D Hypertorus"...
[02:03] <heartsblood> macd, I understand what a dependency is, I just don't understand why gnome still requires esound to be installed if pulse was meant to replace it in hardy
[02:03] <macd> bluefoxx, I tried using the 360 remote with some hacks, NO GO.  nvidia .. System --> Administration --> Hardware and you can reinstall your nvidia driver.
[02:04] <macd> heartsblood, well for now pulse isnt really behaving itself
[02:04] <vbabiy-laptop> I like the new Ubuntu start page
[02:04] <vbabiy-laptop> it looks good
[02:04] <RussellGee> i love it
[02:04] <grhluna> yo
[02:04] <RussellGee> the google partner page was nice aswell
[02:04] <_Lucretia_> ubuntucool123: ok, do it again and then open the power management window, on mine the gl overlay stays in front and flickers like mad
[02:04] <RussellGee> but its went offline for some reason
[02:04] <heartsblood> macd, My system took a serious performance hit when I upgraded to hardy and I'm just trying to trace why
[02:04] <heartsblood> I think pulse is the root of my problems
[02:04] <grhluna> anyone got a problem with desktop effects? i reconfigured and restarted xserver but nothing
[02:05] <grhluna> not that i need them but they can be nice
[02:05] <macd> heartsblood, in my case, it was beagled, and trackerd both indexing the file system.
[02:05] <bluefoxx> macd: the problem with the nvidia is that hardware drivers doesnt show it as a option and installclaims its installed, uninstall claims its not
[02:05] <Gnine> my first troubleshoot procedure is to boot in recovery mode and use the fix xserver option.. works for most common xserver failures
[02:05] <ecubuntu> ya me canse de esta pendejada de hardy me muevo a gutsy
[02:05] <ubuntucool123> _Lucretia_: the screensaver stays in front but it doesn't flicker...
[02:05] <macd> !es | ecubuntu
[02:05] <ubotu> ecubuntu: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[02:05] <d4t4min3r> while i wait what is ns cd macd
[02:05] <bluefoxx> and my computer is starting to become retardedly slow yet im only running this and a terminal
[02:05] <macd> !info | nscd
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:06] <heartsblood> I dont even have beagle installed
[02:06] <bluefoxx> this was more stable when i installed the beta than after the updates
[02:06] <wastrel> did you reboot after the updates
[02:06] <grhluna> i think this is the best release so far
[02:06] <grhluna> it looks fine
[02:06] <macd> d4t4min3r, it deals with caching of certain things nameserver related, but more importantly networkmanager was calling it when you were using linksys, and it wasnt installed, causing network manager to constantly cycle
[02:07] <d4t4min3r> so installing that should fix the issue
[02:07] <macd> heartsblood, well, have you checked  top, and iotop to see whats hoggin your resources?
[02:07] <macd> d4t4min3r, Its just an discernable guess on my end to be honest
[02:07] <heartsblood> that's just it, nothing stands out
[02:08] <macd> heartsblood, is your load higher than expected? are you swapping to disk alot?
[02:08] <macd> heartsblood, or is it just not snappy
[02:08] <heartsblood> 1 sec let me kill fah
[02:08] <heartsblood> I thought at first it was fah, but that has virtually no effect
[02:08] <bluefoxx> great...updates frozen at "Preparing to replace cupsys 1.3.7-1ubuntu2 (using .../cupsys_1.3.7-1ubuntu3_i386.deb) ..."
[02:09] <heartsblood> I have 87.8MB free 604MB in cache
[02:09] <m1r> hello
[02:09] <heartsblood> is that normal?
[02:10] <heartsblood> seems high
[02:11] <heartsblood> 1GB on the system, I have 61MB free according to atop.  627 in cache
[02:11] <macd> somethings using it all
[02:11] <macd> what process is eating that up?
[02:11] <macd> I've got a gb ram, and only using like 240mb of it
[02:12] <macd> brb though.
[02:12] <_derspankster> macd: I'm interested in the issues you have with Hardy. I'm considering Hardy for my server.
[02:13] <_derspankster> ...but I may just go with Gutsy.
[02:14] <tawt> is anyone having any serious troubles with the os after loading from the cd?
[02:14] <borgista> Hi. Anyone have any luck with ATI drivers(fglrx) & Desktop Effects? I've had none.
[02:14] <d4t4min3r> macd: its installing now
[02:14] <d4t4min3r> ok its installed should i switch over to test the connection?
[02:15] <tawt> what time tomorrow will the release be official?
[02:15] <d4t4min3r> macd: still here?
[02:16] <d4t4min3r> ill be right back im gona switch over to see if that did the trick
[02:16] <heartsblood> how can I use atop to show me exactly what pogram is using the most memory?  From atops basic memory output it's saying Xorg is using the most with 91mb and there is still 643 in cache
[02:16] <_derspankster> tawt: don't know but a fully updated beta or RC is almost the same as final
[02:17] <tawt> _derspankster, ok, thanks.  i'll get to downloading right away
[02:18] <_derspankster> tawt: good luck to you
[02:18] <tawt> _derspankster: lol  last time i upgraded from gutsy it completly messed up both kernels, so im going to wipe the linux partition and install from livecd
[02:19] <d4t4min31> macd: didnt work... it connects but wont connect to irc or go to a webpage
[02:19] <d4t4min31> loads very very very slow if at all
[02:19] <_derspankster> tawt: I upgrade this laptop to beta and have had few issues but I think I'll do a clean install on my desktop
[02:19] <macd> d4t4min31, Im stumped :)
[02:20] <macd> _derspankster, I havent had any issues on hardy-server, only on desktop.
[02:20] <d4t4min31> where did ... fluff or something go
[02:20] <d4t4min31> what was his name
[02:20] <d4t4min31> can anyone help me with a wifi connection issue
[02:21] <_derspankster> macd: well, it will be my first experience with server. I am assembling the hardware. Got the HD's and ram today so I'll finish it tomorrow
[02:21] <macd> d4t4min31, Im thinking your going to have to use ndiswrapper and use the windows drivers to fix it tbh, let me see if I can find you a howto specific to your card
[02:21] <macd> d4t4min31, what was your model again, ?
[02:23] <d4t4min31> wusb54gv4
[02:25] <macd> d4t4min31, cant really find anything but using the actual driver, not the windows+ndiswrapper
[02:25] <macd> let me throw a wiki page together with some instructions, and I'll toss you a link be a few mins.
[02:26] <d4t4min31> one sec i need to restart its saying
[02:26] <d4t4min31> brb
[02:27] <tomd123> does anyone know the release time of ubuntu 8.04? I want to set up a script so that it can download while I'm away (it'll take a long time)
[02:27] <Dr_willis> tomd123,  this gets asked all the time at every new release.. thers no guarentees or set times.
[02:28] <tomd123> Dr_willis: well this is the first time I asked :P thanks anyways
[02:28] <tomd123> Dr_willis: now I know
[02:28] <Dr_willis> tomd123,  every new release its a constant flood in here of.. when its out.. is it going to be OUT at 12:01? ect... :)
[02:28] <Dr_willis> it gets amuseing after a while.
[02:29] <tomd123> Dr_willis: I've been using 8.04 for ~ a month and a half :)
[02:29] <Dr_willis> tomd123,  then i suggest just doing a update/upgrade right now.. and then not worrying about it for a week or 2 so the server load gets less.
[02:30] <Dr_willis> i wonder if they have torrents set up yet.
[02:30] <crimsun> seeing how testing candidate images is still occurring, that's a negative.
[02:30] <_derspankster> I may try downloading hardy-server, the load might not be bad for that release
[02:30] <Dr_willis> Given all the issues im still having with hardy...  Im almost tempted to... err.. do somthing..
[02:31] <_derspankster> Dr_willis: I know - buy a Mac
[02:32] <heartsblood> every time I run apt I get this line at the very end; sh: /usr/sbin/update-dpsyco: not found
[02:32] <heartsblood> what the heck does that mean and how do I get rid of it?
[02:32] <tomd123> Dr_willis: my university connection says otherwise, I swear it will only take less then a minute :P, then I will upload using bittorrent
[02:32] <Dr_willis> _derspankster,  i have one.. its in the closet.. because i dident need to use it as a doorstop any more.
[02:32] <_derspankster> Dr_willis: yeah, I've got a Macbook Pro that I won and it just sits
[02:33] <tomd123> _derspankster: I don't blame you
[02:33] <Dr_willis> hardy is still giveing me issuse with my network card, and dvd burner. :( but those might be deeper kernel issues .. i see a new kernel in todays updates.. that might fix things
[02:33] <_derspankster> nice looking laptop though
[02:34] <cwillu> heartsblood, it's something you probably installed at some point (afaik dpsyco was never installed by default in ubuntu)
[02:34] <cwillu> heartsblood, check if any of those packages are installed, and uninstall them I guess :p
[02:34] <tomd123> _derspankster: just be sure to cut your nails before using it, I heard they scratch really easily :)
[02:34] <briansvgs> what time is hardy being released?
[02:34] <tomd123> briansvgs: no definite time
[02:34] <cwillu> briansvgs, 9:47am
[02:34] <d4t4min31> its fixed
[02:34] <d4t4min31> thanks macd
[02:35] <Dr_willis> heh..
[02:35] <briansvgs> ok. thanks
[02:35] <d4t4min31> is there any dock apps in the add programs
[02:35] <tomd123> lol
[02:35] <d4t4min31> id like a dock of some sort
[02:35] <cwillu> briansvgs, or more usefully, some time within 24 hours of the ubuntu website saying 'hardy has been released!'
[02:35] <Dr_willis> tomd123,  see what i mean.. :)
[02:35] <heartsblood> dpsyco is not installed
[02:35] <_derspankster> tomd123: I may just sell it to some Mac-Addict
[02:35] <heartsblood> how do I get rid of that message?
[02:35] <briansvgs> ok. thanks.
[02:36] <briansvgs> a friend and I are staying up tonight to start our downloads, and we were just wondering about what time it would be
[02:36] <tomd123> _derspankster: it'll get you some good cash, and after wards, you can say "sucker"
[02:36] <Dr_willis> briansvgs,  thers no specific time that they are guarenttted to be out.
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> briansvgs: a long long time :)
[02:36] <cwillu> briansvgs, I wasn't kidding when I said that about 24 hours :p
[02:37] <JPSman> What is a native linux driver?
[02:37] <Dr_willis> JPSman,  one written for linux specificially
[02:37] <_derspankster> tomd123: and then the buyer will ride off on his unicycle
[02:38] <tomd123> _derspankster: nah, unicycles are would be considered too ugly for mac addicts, more like a metal brushed car :P
[02:38] <briansvgs> thanks
[02:39] <_derspankster> tomd123: OK, how about a chrome plated Segway?
[02:39] <tomd123> _derspankster: of course@
[02:40] <_derspankster> I'm out for the night. This channel will be fun tomorrow!
[02:40] <Luckrider> how do I make opera print, I just plugged a printer in, and I want to pint my SAT admission ticket, but... I have never printed on this computer before
[02:40] <Luckrider> night _derspankster
[02:41] <IntrepidOne> _derspankster: this channel will be locked down tomorrow check out #ubuntu-release-party that will be fun
[02:41] <_derspankster> Oh yeah, I'll do that - night all
[02:41] <IntrepidOne> #ubuntu will top 2000 users tomorrow I bet
[02:41] <Luckrider> night
[02:41] <IntrepidOne> night
[02:41] <Dr_willis> I normally stay away from the ubuntu channels for the week or 2 following a  release. :) saves my sanity
[02:42] <IntrepidOne> Dr_willis: hehe I hear you
[02:42] <Dr_willis> IntrepidOne,  ive seen it over 3000
[02:42] <Luckrider> so... does anyone want to help me print?
[02:42] <Luckrider> Please, any help is appreciated
[02:42] <IntrepidOne> really?
[02:42] <Dr_willis> Luckrider,  start up the printer config tool. and print a test page.. see if it works
[02:42] <IntrepidOne> have a screenshot of that
[02:42] <IntrepidOne> ?
[02:42] <Luckrider> ok
[02:43] <Dr_willis> IntrepidOne,  im NOT that big a geek.
[02:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:43] <IntrepidOne> hehe I am
[02:43] <Luckrider> what is the name of the printer config Dr_willis?
[02:43] <IntrepidOne> Luckrider: in System Prefs
[02:43] <Luckrider> oh
[02:43] <Luckrider> ok
[02:43] <Luckrider> thanks
[02:43] <Falkman> When is 8.10 coming out in central time?
[02:43] <IntrepidOne> Falkman: no one knows
[02:43] <IntrepidOne> gnomefreak: heya
[02:44] <zoommy99> why have 8.04 when you can just have the 12.10 pre-pre alpha 1
[02:44] <maco> ok so, pulseaudio, new ways of changing what X is doing...any other major changes that will confuse people who are used to "the old way"?
[02:44] <Dr_willis> Luckrider,  no idea.  check the menus?  I tend to use kde.  undr gnome it might be gnome-cups-manager
[02:44] <AutoMatriX> 8.10 ? somewher in october, I think
[02:44] <zoommy99> 12.10 beastly bear
[02:44] <maco> and im talking about hardy right now, which the topic still says
[02:44] <Luckrider> ok, thanks
[02:44] <maco> i just want to make sure i dont miss anything on my little FAQ blog post
[02:44] <Luckrider> I have KDE and gnome, and can use KDE controls in Gnome
[02:44] <Dr_willis> 'The official release will happen when it happens, there is no set time for  it to magicially appear on all the servers/mirrors'
[02:45] <gnomefreak> hello HardyOne
[02:45] <zoommy99> have they picked a name for 8.10
[02:45] <Luckrider> Dr_willis, KJobViewer?
[02:45] <Dr_willis> Impatient Impala
[02:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:45] <zoommy99> then 9.04 better be beastly bear
[02:46] <Dr_willis> Luckrider,  i tend to run 'gnome-cups-manager'
[02:46] <HardyOne> Intrepid Ibex
[02:46] <zoommy99> funky frog
[02:46] <zoommy99> excellent emu
[02:46] <Dr_willis> kdes printer config tool is a little overkill at times
[02:46] <zoommy99> proud panda
[02:46]  * gnomefreak been gone for a while. Is nvidia-glx now for nvidia 5200 and 5500?
[02:46] <zoommy99> lucky loon
[02:47] <zoommy99> waskaly wabbit
[02:48] <macd> d4t4min31, what fixed it?
[02:48] <gluer> debbie dallas
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> zippy Zebra
[02:55] <linkinxp> ok ok ready????
[02:55] <linkinxp> :D
[02:56] <bazhang> !ibex
[02:56] <ubotu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[02:56] <heartsblood> what is the process kjournald?  It's caching my ram and it's casuing dsk usage to go in the red
[02:57] <heartsblood> apt doesn't seem to have the package but it's on my system
[02:59] <macd> heartsblood, it handles the journaling of your filesystem, on a new system it might run more heavily than an older system
[02:59] <macd> its a kernel level process, used by journaling filesystems, to be more specific
[02:59] <heartsblood> ah
[03:01] <ubunturox> he y guys
[03:01] <ubunturox> what are the controls for these desktop effects its first time i use them
[03:01] <ubunturox> the key controls
[03:02] <macd> ubunturox, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3391069&postcount=6
[03:02] <ubunturox> thx
[03:02] <ubunturox> this is real neat
[03:02] <ubunturox> finally got a good nvidia driver with this release
[03:02] <ubunturox> :)
[03:02] <bardyr> kudos to the people who refreshed the new http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/ it looks really nice
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> I got a sneak peak at the new kubuntu website... looks nice :)
[03:06] <ubunturox> this is real neat
[03:09] <wastrel> yay
[03:11] <twistage> Is there a way to take make an image of my current setup and revert in case Hardy breaks anything?
[03:11] <bardyr> twistage, dd ?
[03:11] <jbroome> !clone
[03:11] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[03:12] <twistage> Thanks
[03:12] <thiemster> !automate
[03:12] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[03:13] <_Rambaldi_> !backup
[03:13] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[03:13] <iMatter> i still have internet problems...
[03:13] <iMatter> ooh its stable now...and i have no internet to update!!!
[03:14] <jbroome> wait, how are you here?
[03:14] <twistage> hahaha
[03:14] <iMatter> My backup OS
[03:14] <iMatter> ive always kept a 3rd operating system besides windows or ubuntu just incase you know?
[03:15] <iMatter> Windows is broken wont boot and ubuntu's internet doesnt work -.-
[03:15] <iMatter> up a creek without a paddle..
[03:15] <iMatter> but happend to find a nice wide stick to help me move on
[03:15] <DanaG> Ubuntu internet doesn't work?  Odd.
[03:15] <DanaG> WiFi?
[03:16] <iMatter> Yes...
[03:16] <iMatter> i dont get any IP
[03:16] <DanaG> Odd.
[03:16] <thompa> when i put in a dvd default movie player skips menus and plays in wrong language
[03:16] <thompa> if i use vlc i can open to menus
[03:17] <iMatter> im halfway connected iwconfig says im connected but ifconfig says i dont have an IP just ip6 has an ip
[03:17] <iMatter> its only used for loopback so thats not my problem
[03:18] <iMatter> localhost or loopback i forget
[03:18] <iMatter> Could someone please help i wont have internet to celebrate in Ubuntu in stead of my backup OS
[03:18] <iMatter> if i do ifconfig ath0 <any local ip>
[03:19] <iMatter> like ifconfig ath0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:19] <iMatter> it will let me connect enough to get into the router login
[03:19] <iMatter> but nothing past that >.>
[03:19] <DanaG> Anything from manual dhclient?
[03:19] <thompa> latest updates fixed touchpad .. nice
[03:20] <iMatter> its says permission deined
[03:20] <iMatter> even with sudo
[03:20] <iMatter> BBL....
[03:20] <iMatter> lagg bad
[03:21] <DanaG> I manually config my touchpad always.
[03:21] <DanaG> You can't input-hotplug a touchpad.  :(
[03:21] <DanaG> Or at least, can't set any settings whatsoever, if you do.
[03:22] <thompa> DanaG: ive been trying that, my problem has been speed (acelration did not work right) alspo jerking and taping
[03:26] <thompa> i just did a complete reinstall on acer aspire and now everything works, except for the wireless issue
[03:27] <iMatter> Ok back
[03:27] <iMatter> so DanaG can you help me?
[03:28] <iMatter> dhcpd3 fails to gives some error about subnet and <IP_ADDRESS> ath0
[03:28] <DanaG> Odd.
[03:28] <iMatter> also dhcpcd fails too permission denied...
[03:28] <DanaG> That's strange; I don't know what to do.
[03:28] <iMatter> if atleast dhcp worked
[03:28] <iMatter> i would be here...
[03:28] <iMatter> i can manually do that matter fact i rather do manuall
[03:29] <pen_> how to setup ad hoc with network manager
[03:29] <iMatter> thank grapjical
[03:29] <iMatter> *than
[03:29] <pen_> anyone here know ad hoc?
[03:30] <iMatter> well this sucks
[03:30] <iMatter> Hardy is Stable and me have no internet >.>
[03:32] <jbroome> are we going to hear that all night?
[03:32] <pen_> sorry, got disconneted, anyone msg me?
[03:32] <Sergeant_Pony> nope
[03:33] <iMatter> so can anyone help...please...
[03:34] <DanaG> iMatter: one easy but hackish thing to try:
[03:34] <DanaG> back up any dhcp client config you may have, anbd then purge and reinstall dhcp3 packages.
[03:35] <pen_> adhoc
[03:35] <pen_> plz
[03:35] <DanaG> But don't install the server if you don't need it, of course.
[03:35] <Sergeant_Pony> cool... hibernate and suspend finally work for me :)
[03:35] <iMatter> okie dokie..
[03:35] <iMatter> ill have to do two trips
[03:35] <iMatter> i need to purge...then make a download script then switch to backup OS
[03:36] <iMatter> then go back
[03:36] <iMatter> see if that works
[03:36] <iMatter> if not come back >.>
[03:36] <DanaG> wait a bit:
[03:36] <DanaG> You can still manual config after the purge.
[03:36] <pen_> do I need two wireless card to setup ad hoc?
[03:36] <DanaG> sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>  (or whatever)  -- after the ifconfig <IP_ADDRESS> (or whatever)
[03:36] <iMatter> the route to router?
[03:37] <iMatter> or are you talking to me?
[03:37] <DanaG> iMatter:  That sets the default gateway.
[03:37] <DanaG> If you want to override dependencies, you can sudo dpkg --force-depends --purge dhcp3-client dhcp3-common
[03:37] <pen_> ?
[03:37] <DanaG> Be aware: that force-depends command can be very dangerous if you're not sure of what you're removing.
[03:38] <DanaG> I once made the mistake of removing libc6..... and thus my system had to be reinstalled.
[03:38] <iMatter> :/
[03:38] <iMatter> what exactly does lib6 do...
[03:39] <iMatter> i see it alot during apt-get's
[03:39] <DanaG> libc6?  Basically 100% of binaries on the system depend on it.
[03:39] <iMatter> :/
[03:39] <DanaG> It's the very very base C library.
[03:39] <iMatter> the gateway needs to be the router IP?
[03:39] <DanaG> Yeah.
[03:39] <iMatter> okay
[03:39] <pen_> anyone know how to set it up? I'm bit hurry
[03:39] <iMatter> because <IP_ADDRESS> is my Ethernet thing >.>
[03:39] <iMatter> bbl
[03:43] <ysth1> I've always liked having the home page in firefox be the default one, but this http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04 thing drives me nuts
[03:44] <DanaG> Oh, that heron is the wrong one!
[03:44] <ysth1> I open a new window and start typing in the location bar, and then it finishes loading and rips the focus away
[03:45] <Fazer> has Hardy been released yet?
[03:45] <ysth1> why isn't it (the html page and its stylesheets and images) packaged up and installed locally?
[03:45] <AdrianStrays> I'm running the RC and I'm having major issues.  The entire system is extremely laggy, especially when scrolling or displaying any types of animation.  Other people have reported this issue, it seems to have something to do with ATI drivers. I was curious if anyone had made progress or had information about it?
[03:45] <ysth1> if Hardy had been released, it would be off topic here :)
[03:45] <pen_> do I need two wireless card to setup ad hoc?
[03:46] <pen_> and how do I setup the easiest way ?
[03:47] <AdrianStrays> :( I guess not?
[03:48]  * DanaG is off at dinner now....
[03:48] <owen1> what repository can i find vinagre?
[03:49] <athem> anyone got an idea how to make my computer poweroff after shutdown? those are the errors i get before computer is shut down:
[03:49] <athem> Network Manager: <WARN> nm_hal_deinit(): libhal shutdown failed - Connection is closed
[03:49] <athem> Network Manager: <WARN> nm_dbus_init(): nm_dbus_init() could not get the system bus. Make sure the message bus daemon is running!
[03:49] <athem> Network Manager: nm_dbus_signal_device_status_change: assertion cb_data->data->dbusconnection` failed
[03:49] <athem> [137.696125] Power down.
[03:50] <dashua`> Very nice.  I got my fingerprint reader working for my Dell XPS m1530 on login and when prompted for superuser privileges.
[03:50] <ToddEDM> hey guys.. i got this problem... when my laptop is left off for a while the screen goes black, then when i press a key, or move the mouse, the screen goes crazy, black and white horizontal lines.. i think im gona have a seizure
[03:51] <dashua`> No more constantly typing root pass.  Just a swipe of the finger.  This is very nice.
[03:53] <x1250> owen1: $ apt-cache policy vinagre
[03:54] <sparr_> dashua`: sweet.  what sort of reader is it?
[03:54] <sparr_> x1250: im guessing he wouldn't be asking if it was in a repository he already had configured
[03:55] <icanhas> can it be hardy tiem?!
[03:56] <Gary_inNYC> dashua, maybe i watch too many movies hehe, but theoretically, couldn't someone just lift a fingerprint off the reader and make a gel mold?
[03:56] <dashua`> sparr_: It's built in to the laptop, not sure of the model.  Just installed thinkfinger and edited pam.
[03:56] <icanhas> Gary_inNYC: Sure, in fact, I even know what city you're in right now
[03:57] <Gary_inNYC> lol
[03:57]  * iMatter falls out of chair
[03:57] <iMatter> the GW thing worked
[03:57] <iMatter> but i had to do iwconfig essid <ap> key <apkey>
[03:58] <iMatter> then ifconfig ath0
[03:58] <rickey> hello folks
[03:58] <icanhas> iMatter: patched or no?
[03:58] <rickey>  ive just installed kubuntu 804 cant get mmy radio stream to play in amaork or bmpx
[03:58] <iMatter> icanhas: that patch didnt work
[03:58] <iMatter> DanaG: told me to add a default gateway
[03:59] <iMatter> as the routers local IP
[03:59] <Gary_inNYC> what?  hardy is officially released?
[03:59] <jbroome> !mp3 | rickey
[03:59] <ubotu> rickey: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:59] <iMatter> that worked after iwconfig ath0 essid <ap> key <apkey>
[03:59] <iMatter> then ifconfig ath0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:59] <dashua`> I'm assuming Dell will be offering this laptop with Hardy later on.  It'd be foolish not to when almost everything works so well.
[03:59] <iMatter> then gw add
[03:59] <icanhas> iMatter: interesting, that's extremely odd, considering no one with your card could get it working without the patch. you might want to document that somewhere on madwifi's site. unless you aren't using madwifi 0.9.4
[03:59] <iMatter> DanaG: THANKS!!!!
[04:00] <pwnguin> anyone know a replacement for google browser sync?
[04:00] <icanhas> DanaG: wtg
[04:00] <iMatter> im using 0.9.4
[04:00] <iMatter> and my card has always worked by default...
[04:01] <iMatter> before using the madwifi source
[04:01] <iMatter> i started ubuntu at gusty
[04:01] <icanhas> then lspci tells teh lies D:
[04:01] <iMatter> it worked by default
[04:01] <iMatter> upgraded to hardy...
[04:01] <icanhas> well i'm glad it got fixed mate
[04:02] <iMatter> worked
[04:02] <iMatter> then i installed from source
[04:02] <icanhas> Who wants to countdown with me? :D
[04:02] <tawt> is anyone having trouble using the new kernel after installing via the livecd?
[04:02] <ToddEDM>  hey guys.. i got this problem... when my laptop is left off for a while the screen goes black, then when i press a key, or move the mouse, the screen goes crazy, black and white horizontal lines.. i think im gona have a seizure , can someone help?
[04:02] <pen_> do I need two wireless card to setup ad hoc?
[04:02] <iMatter> idk if its permenant tho
[04:02] <iMatter> hopefully i will not have to do it everytime i login...
[04:03] <tawt> icanhas, countdown til the official release?
[04:03] <icanhas> tawt: sure
[04:03] <tawt> icanhas, what time?  :)
[04:03] <Flannel> icanhas: It'll be released within 32 hours!
[04:03] <DanaG> iMatter: I'm back now.
[04:04] <DanaG> I was eating dinner,
[04:04] <DanaG> .
[04:04] <iMatter> DanaG: THANK YOU!
[04:04] <iMatter> i didnt have to purge the gw thing worked
[04:04] <iMatter> had to do iwconfig then set the ip with ifconfig then gw add
[04:04]  * tawt is downloading hardy now  :D
[04:04] <DanaG> That gets you access for now, but you should still try to fix dhclient.
[04:05] <iMatter> hopefully its permant
[04:05] <ToddEDM> does noone have that problem, when coming out of standby?
[04:05] <iMatter> it looks like its working..
[04:06] <DanaG> Still, you should try purging and reinstalling dhclient so you can fix dhcp.
[04:06] <iMatter> i did dhclient and it didnt give permission denied
[04:06] <tawt> toddedm, what kernel are you using?
[04:06] <iMatter> i think it was all sourounded by default GW
[04:07] <ToddEDM> is there a command i can type in the terminal to get you the kernel?
[04:07] <iMatter> uname -r
[04:07] <iMatter> if you want kernal name
[04:07] <DanaG> Linux GLaDOS 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:07] <DanaG> that's -a
[04:07] <ToddEDM> 2.6.24-16-generic
[04:08] <ToddEDM> i upgraded gutsy to hardy
[04:08] <tawt> toddedm, that should of been fixed with the new kernel
[04:08] <ToddEDM> is there a way to upgrade the kernel?
[04:08] <tawt> toddedm, are you using 64 type processors?
[04:08] <ToddEDM> yes i am
[04:09] <AdrianStrays> I'm running the RC and I'm having major issues.  The entire system is extremely laggy, especially when scrolling or displaying any types of animation.  Other people have reported this issue, it seems to have something to do with ATI drivers. I was curious if anyone had made progress or had information about it?
[04:09] <darthanubis> is it out yet :-P
[04:09] <ToddEDM> Turion 64 x2
[04:09] <tawt> toddedm, crap.  i was hoping that would be fixed with the kernel.  that's what i use
[04:09] <tawt> i'm downloading hardy now
[04:09] <darthanubis> !hardware | AdrianStrays
[04:09] <ubotu> AdrianStrays: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[04:09] <ToddEDM> it never happened in gutsy...
[04:10] <darthanubis> !sense
[04:10] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[04:10] <darthanubis> That last line is important to remember
[04:10] <darthanubis> Some may not want to upgrade
[04:11] <tawt> lol, yeah.  i messed up my gutsy partition by upgrading
[04:11] <AdrianStrays> Darth, my hardware worked fine in Gusty.
[04:11] <tawt> so i'm downloading the .iso and wiping the partition
[04:12] <darthanubis> AdrianStrays, thats why I only upgrade, no clean installs. I hate having to reset up all my hardware
[04:12] <darthanubis> but I don't use hardware that has issues
[04:13] <tawt> does the new bootcd give you the option of creating a separate partition for /home ?
[04:13] <jbroome> y
[04:13] <darthanubis> I don't do ati, because I use linux, and nvidia has always been the wat to go
[04:13] <AdrianStrays> Darthanubis, I did upgrade rather than fresh install
[04:13] <darthanubis> I don't do pre-built systems, dell,gatewat etc
[04:14] <tawt> darthanubis, if i were to use a pre-built system, which would be most linux friendly?
[04:14] <darthanubis> AdrianStrays, how good are you at admin' a linux system?
[04:14] <whitt> I'm having a weird issue with my sound after  installing hardy.  i am using amarok, but whenever i switch users, it pauses the music playing
[04:14] <mikedep333> help, in order to get my nvidia card working, I had to install an old nvidia driver. In the process I have rebuilt my xorg.conf alot of times. I now have 3d acceleration, but the mouse cursor is missing. How do I restore my mouse cursor?
[04:14] <mikedep333> should I post my xorg.conf?
[04:14] <darthanubis> tawt, I guess a Dell these days if you had no choice. But I never reccomend boxed deals
[04:15] <darthanubis> build your own, its cheaper and not hard
[04:15] <ISS_Student> I need some help with Hardy Heron. I installed RC and all was fine even my Realtek sound worked then I did all the updates I think it was 90 and now my sound is dead. Anybody know how to fix this issue?
[04:15] <tawt> darthanubis, ok.  i'll try it once i get some money
[04:15] <AdrianStrays> darthanubis, I'm a linux convert, been using it for a month, so not good.  However, there was an entire post about this issue, with some people who seem rather smart. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=732006 that might give you information I can't.
[04:15] <darthanubis> !xorg | mikedep333
[04:15] <ubotu> mikedep333: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:15] <HardyOne> tawt: System76
[04:16] <tawt> hardyone:  what?
[04:16] <keb> is the alternate install iso supposed to work on systems with 64MB ram?
[04:16] <HardyOne> tawt: google it
[04:16] <tawt> hardyone:  ok
[04:16] <pwnguin> anyone know a replacement for google browser sync? it's not compatible with ff3beta5
[04:16] <HardyOne> tawt: pre built and linux friendly :)
[04:17] <darthanubis> AdrianStrays, your not good enough to be upgrading. You'll over look minor things. But it will be a learning experience. Otherwise, a month? You'd be better off clean installing
[04:17] <tawt> hardyone, nice.  i see.
[04:17] <tawt> hardyone, does the wireless work with those?
[04:17] <HardyOne> tawt: if they install it it works
[04:18] <tawt> hardyone, :D
[04:18] <mikedep333> darthanubis, I know what X is, I know how to stop and start GDM, and nothing in that page deals with a missing mouse cursor
[04:18] <darthanubis> !google | mikedep333
[04:18] <ubotu> mikedep333: google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[04:18] <HardyOne> tawt: they build Ubuntu systems so they make sure all the hardware works as it should. least I would hope so
[04:19] <darthanubis> did you search for a bug?
[04:19] <mikedep333> yeah, I am googling right now
[04:19] <darthanubis> see if others have the same issue?
[04:19] <tawt> hardyone, yeah.  thanks a lot man!
[04:19] <HardyOne> np
[04:19] <darthanubis> mikedep333, did you run nvidia-xconfig?
[04:19] <mikedep333> yes
[04:19] <darthanubis> !nvidia
[04:19] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:19] <darthanubis> !restricted
[04:19] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:20] <HardyOne> tawt: and affordable also :)
[04:21] <tawt> hardyone, i've quickly noticed  :D
[04:22] <HardyOne> wish I would of ordered my pc from them. I paid same price from tigerdirect and still have not been able to get Ubuntu running on it :/. gave it to my mother in law and took her laptop. runs hardy great
[04:23] <whitt>  I'm having a weird issue with my sound after  installing hardy.  i am using amarok, but whenever i switch users, it pauses the music playing.  It this a bug or a feature?
[04:24] <mikedep333> I got it
[04:24] <mikedep333> I had to disable the hardware cursor
[04:24] <Blu3Knight> Was anyone here successful in installing VmWare 6.3 on Hardy Heron?
[04:24] <mikedep333> this reminds me of the windows 9x days
[04:24] <mikedep333> thx
[04:25] <Fdisk93> i was waiting on hardy but now im getting worried about upgrading
[04:25] <slackd00d> why
[04:26] <Fdisk93> was there as many troble msgs when gusty cam out ?
[04:26] <slackd00d> yes
[04:26] <slackd00d> even more
[04:26] <Fdisk93> ok now i feel better
[04:26] <Fdisk93> lol
[04:27] <keb> what is the minimum RAM required to install Hardy?
[04:27] <edajai> 384
[04:27] <keb> thanks
[04:27] <edajai> or 256 if u r using the alt-cd
[04:28] <cheesypenguin> how much ram does hardy demand for the desktop?
[04:28] <keb> aha. no wonder it took 18 hours with 64MB :P
[04:28] <edajai> :D
[04:28] <icanhas> ram... is... so.. cheap
[04:28] <edajai> keb: hardy will be nearly unusable in a system with 64 mb
[04:28] <keb> you can't get more ram into old pcs
[04:29] <keb> well fluxbuntu 7.10rc was usable
[04:29] <teamcobra> so, what's the countdown at in hours? ;)
[04:29] <cwillu> keb, my definition of old starts at about 2000+
[04:29] <Fdisk93> i do have a question but its probly a matter of opion
[04:29] <edajai> keb:u cud hav tried distros lik dsl for ur computer
[04:29] <cwillu> I have yet to run into a machine made in 2000 or later that didn't support at least 256
[04:29] <Fdisk93> is 32 or 64 version better ?
[04:29] <keb> yep i'm trying puppy now
[04:30] <teamcobra> fdisk: do you work w/ audio applications often (esp windows ones)?
[04:30] <cwillu> teamcobra, pick a number, any number
[04:30] <pixelmonkey> anyone know of a list of mirrors available for the hardy RC that we can use in place of the defaults in /etc/apt/sources.list?  The main servers are quite slow, currently.
[04:30] <Fdisk93> video yes
[04:30] <teamcobra> cwillu ;) btw, almost done w/ the kernel, doing a git4 package
[04:30] <cwillu> woot
[04:30] <edajai> Fdisk93: u need more than 4 gb of ram to have any perfomance imp with a 64 bit version
[04:30] <teamcobra> getting a couple bugs out... here's the kicker though..... MESH SUPPORT!
[04:30] <Fdisk93> ok i only have 4gb
[04:30] <cwillu> heh
[04:31] <Fdisk93> so 32 would be best for me
[04:31] <edajai> Fdisk93: findin applications for 64bit might be tiresoome
[04:31] <Fdisk93> true
[04:31] <slackd00d> pixelmonkey: look in /usr/share/python-apt/templates/Ubuntu.mirrors
[04:32] <Fdisk93> i had heard cindarella will now only work on 64 hardy is this correct ?
[04:32] <DanaG> http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/11/8/4
[04:32] <DanaG> Dang, I sooo want that driver.
[04:32] <DanaG> My next laptop will be one that has that device.
[04:32] <Blu3Knight> Does anyone have VmWare Workstation running on Hardy Heron?
[04:33] <Fdisk93> * Cinelerra brain fart
[04:35] <slackd00d> i have no problem running x86_64
[04:35] <cheesypenguin> !jfs
[04:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:36] <kahrytan> Can you do port ranges in ufw?
[04:37] <tawt> will hardy have the option to make a separate /home partition from the livecd?
[04:37] <cwillu> hey neat, firefox just crashed
[04:37] <icanhas> cwillu: that's a feature
[04:37] <kahrytan> cwillu->  what were you doing
[04:37] <tawt> cwillu, it's beta
[04:37] <kahrytan> icanhas->  Windows != Ubuntu
[04:37] <cwillu> tawt, yes, but ubuntu isn't really anymore :p
[04:38] <DanaG> s/->/→/
[04:38] <cwillu> kahrytan, clicked a link, no idea what yet
[04:38] <kahrytan> icanhas-> oops Ubuntu != Windows
[04:38] <cwillu> (probably something with a flash video, but I don't know)
[04:38] <tawt> cwillu, i ment firefox.  it's something like firefox 3, beta 6.  right?
[04:38] <cwillu> icanhas, icanhasfeature?
[04:38] <kahrytan> cwillu->  There flash video crashes are easily fixed
[04:38] <rickey> i got this message ///Type 'kubuntu-restricted-extras.' is not known on line 56 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:39] <cwillu> in a manner that doesn't include removing flash?
[04:39] <kahrytan> cwillu->  tell ff to use asla
[04:39] <rickey> i know i got to go in and fix it ,but i forgot how to excess the code
[04:39] <cwillu> kahrytan, that doesn't break software mixing does it?
[04:39] <Bryan> I'm having trouble suspending with my laptop. It's using a nVidia 8400M GS. Any help would be appreciated.
[04:39] <suprie> i want to change my flash plugin from gnash to adobe flash
[04:40] <suprie> how to do it ?
[04:40] <kahrytan> cwillu->  what was it using last time?
[04:40] <kahrytan> last release
[04:40] <rickey> my apt mmanager is locked up
[04:40] <icanhas> You're right, Ubtunu != Windows, ff2 doesn't crash randomly with flash in Windows, heh.
[04:40] <cwillu> kahrytan, alsa+esd?
[04:40] <tawt>  != ?  what's that mean
[04:41] <Bryan> tawt, it means "does not equal"
[04:41] <ragsagar> not equal to
[04:41] <cwillu> why are you asking me?  I'm the one having trouble :p
[04:41] <tawt> ok
[04:41] <peepsalot> what's the command to see some kind of hardware info dialog?
[04:41] <kahrytan> != = Not Equal
[04:41] <AdrianStrays> darthanubis, are you still on?
[04:41]  * icanhas thinks.. 9th grade math
[04:41] <ragsagar> programming usage
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about not equal - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <Bryan> peepsalot, lspci
[04:41] <rickey> what is the sudo command to unlock apt manager
[04:41] <darthanubis> AdrianStrays, yup
[04:41] <kahrytan> tawt->  != is programmer speak for not equal
[04:41] <Bryan> I'm having trouble suspending with my laptop. It's using a nVidia 8400M GS. Any help would be appreciated.
[04:41] <peepsalot> Bryan, no, i mean, isn't there some gui that shows a lot of general hardware info?
[04:41] <icanhas> !repeat | Bryan
[04:41] <ubotu> Bryan: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[04:42] <tawt> i want to learn programming, but have no time... :(  (pharmacy major)
[04:42] <MrKeuner> hi, if I download the latest daily snapshot does it really mean that I downloaded tomorrows release as of today?
[04:42] <ragsagar> use desklets!
[04:42] <AdrianStrays> darthanubis, what if I uninstalled fglrx driver and installed the open-source raedon driver?
[04:42] <peepsalot> tawt, change majors, problem solved
[04:42] <icanhas> MrKeuner: lets say... close enough
[04:42] <tawt> rofl!
[04:42] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: what's your issue? and what card?
[04:42] <kahrytan> MrKeuner->  There is always some1 asking that
[04:43] <cwillu> kahrytan, how do you tell firefox to use alsa?
[04:43] <rickey> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[04:43] <MrKeuner> kahrytan: :)
[04:43] <rickey> how do it fix it
[04:43] <MikeCulver> I just fell back from the fglrx driver to the ati/radeon driver and am having a horrible time getting DRI and compositing working
[04:43] <rickey> how do i fix it
[04:43] <icanhas> MikeCulver: what card?
[04:43] <peepsalot> rickey, did you " Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal"
[04:44] <rickey> yes i did
[04:44] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, I recently upgrade to the Hardy RC, and found that everything is really laggy. Scrolling, typing, basically any form of animation. I never had this issue with Gusty.  There is a post that is more indepth that talks about the issue here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=732006
[04:44] <MikeCulver> Mobility FireGL T2... treats it like a Radeon 9600
[04:44] <Ali_ix> rickey: any more Specific error message?
[04:44] <MikeCulver> hmm...
[04:44] <MikeCulver> xorg log says DRI enabled...
[04:44] <MikeCulver> glxinfo says no
[04:44] <darthanubis> AdrianStrays, its your system. I don't mean to sound crass, but you have to learn by reading and trial and error. There si plenty of documentation for this distro. But I don't use ATI. If I did....
[04:44] <Ali_ix> rickey: there might be a problem in your sourceslst file
[04:44] <MikeCulver> I did Mode 0666 and no dice
[04:44] <darthanubis> !works | AdrianStrays
[04:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about works - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:44] <rickey> yes line 56
[04:44] <icanhas> MikeCulver: odd, my friends 9600 worked with open source and AIGLX by default
[04:44] <darthanubis> !work | AdrianStrays
[04:44] <ubotu> AdrianStrays: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:45] <peepsalot> !pastebin @ rickey
[04:45] <darthanubis> !sense | AdrianStrays
[04:45] <ubotu> AdrianStrays: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[04:45] <rickey> how do i edit it
[04:45] <MikeCulver> yeah.. AIGLX is working, but not DRI or compositing
[04:45] <MikeCulver> even Xv works fine.  It really makes no sense.
[04:45] <peepsalot> rickey, pastebin the full log from running apt-get update
[04:45] <icanhas> MikeCulver: er, then AIGLX is _not_ working
[04:45] <cab86> Synaptic says I have restricted modules installed for 5 different kernels... is it alright to remove the ones that  are not 2.6.24-16??  also, right now i' am attempting to completely remove the ati drivers to make clean attempt to install them.... is it alright to uninstall the xserver-xorg-video-ati?
[04:45] <rickey> what is pasteben\
[04:45] <cheesypenguin> !hardy
[04:45] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Support in #ubuntu+1 - Come join the #ubuntu-release-party now!
[04:45] <U9527> come on, what time
[04:45] <MikeCulver> xorg log claims it is
[04:45] <peepsalot> !pastebin | rickey
[04:45] <ubotu> rickey: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[04:45] <Ali_ix> rickey: in terminal: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.lst
[04:46] <U9527> come on, what time
[04:46] <Ali_ix> rickey: in terminal: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:46] <MikeCulver> icanhas: But here's another thing that might help
[04:46] <darthanubis> AdrianStrays, basically, you are responsible for your machine. Sure, try things out. Break stuff if you have to. But read and search for things first. Then you'll have a better idea of what to ask.
[04:46] <bluefoxx> how can i make my xbox360 controller i found today[$4 with usb adaptor] show up in /dev/js0 in addition to the /dev/input/js0 that it is allready?
[04:46] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: er, do you have xgl installed?
[04:46] <MikeCulver> icanhas: I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.. and said to use FBdev...
[04:47] <darthanubis> bluefoxx, irc.otfc.net #xbox-linux
[04:47] <MikeCulver> icanhas: that fubared everything.. did another dpkg.. and said no fbdev.. since then I can't get DRI working at all
[04:47] <AdrianStrays> darthanubis, I did research, thats exactly how I found that tread.  I did try stuff, and it didn't work. I have limited knowledge and require help. It is obviously not my machine, as everything funcution perfectly prior to my upgrade.
[04:47] <icanhas> MikeCulver: honest that shouldn't make a bit of a difference.. can you pastebin your xorg log?
[04:47] <bluefoxx> darthanubis: kk, ty
[04:47] <darthanubis> np
[04:47] <MikeCulver> sure.. want me to grep anything?
[04:47] <icanhas> MikeCulver: and your xorg config too
[04:47] <icanhas> MikeCulver: no, whole thing
[04:48] <darthanubis> nothing is obvious
[04:48] <MikeCulver> pastebin?  what do you mean by that?
[04:48] <ToddEDM> when hardy is released, will an icon come up and let me install the latest files???
[04:48] <bluefoxx> darthanubis: * Looking up irc.otfc.net
[04:48] <bluefoxx> * Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it?
[04:48] <icanhas> !paste | MikeCulver
[04:48] <ubotu> MikeCulver: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[04:48] <ToddEDM> im running hardy now
[04:48] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, I believe so.
[04:48] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: what card do you have?
[04:48] <darthanubis> bluefoxx, sorry oftc
[04:48] <icesword> what time :P
[04:48] <icesword> :p
[04:48] <bluefoxx> darthanubis: kk
[04:49] <AdrianStrays> icanhus, Radeon Xpress 110
[04:49] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: can you give me the output of the last line of fglrxinfo?
[04:49] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, I should be compatible with the open source driver
[04:49] <whitt> can someone help me with an audio issue?  My music pauses whenever I switch users
[04:49] <jimmygoon> Does pulseaudio intentionally prevent vlc/totem/gstreamer/rhythmbox  from outputing audio when firefox/youtube are open (even when they are paused)???
[04:49] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, OpenGL version string: 1.2 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.3)
[04:49] <MikeCulver> pasted
[04:50] <cwillu> jimmygoon, did you have the crashy firefox issue previously?
[04:50] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: wait, are you using fglrx or open source radeon ati in xorg.conf?
[04:50] <icanhas> MikeCulver: you need to give me the url it gave you when you submitted it
[04:50] <peepsalot> MikeCulver, you have to paste the URL to your pastebin into this channel
[04:50] <keb> firefox,flash,pulseaudio  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/192888
[04:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,In progress]
[04:50] <peepsalot> heh
[04:51] <MikeCulver> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64180/
[04:51] <AdrianStrays> icanas, fglrx I think, let me check
[04:51] <jimmygoon> cwillu, yes, fixed with nswrapper though
[04:51] <cwillu> jimmygoon, k, that's what I feared;
[04:51] <jimmygoon> cwillu, er, and I just installed flashblock though I disabled that
[04:51] <MikeCulver> makes sense now.. thanks
[04:51] <jimmygoon> cwillu, nswrapper > audio :) I'm tired of ff crahsing
[04:51] <cwillu> kahrytan, looks like switching to alsa in firefox _does_ disable audiomixing
[04:52] <MikeCulver> I'm reading it as well.  I was trying to change settings and restart X, but it didn't seem to make a difference until I flat out restarted the system
[04:52] <jimmygoon> cwillu, ping me if you need me to test/try anything. I'd be happy to help
[04:52] <jimmygoon> heh I just realized 7.04 ships tomorrow :O
[04:52] <MikeCulver> that's also another strange thing that's happened since moving to 8.04
[04:52] <jimmygoon> 8.04 rahter
[04:52] <icesword> @time holland
[04:53] <icesword> nickrud, hi, what time is it in holland
[04:53] <icanhas> MikeCulver: interesting. you might want to add the MergedFB "enable" option to your xorg.conf, but first can you pastebin that for me too?
[04:53] <odious_> i'm itching for my hardy release :)
[04:53] <rickey> sudo gedit/etc/apt/sources.list this command did not work
[04:53] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, I am
[04:54] <MikeCulver> ah.. yes
[04:54] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: can you paste the full output of fglrxinfo
[04:54] <nickrud> icesword according to my world clock nearly 6am
[04:54] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: pastebin, rather
[04:54] <AutoMatriX> rickey, a space between gedit and /etc
[04:54] <ragsagar> rickey it will open sources.list file using gedit
[04:54] <jimmygoon> rickey, there should be a space between gedit the app name and /etc/... the argument
[04:54] <MrKeuner> I cannot wait for tomorro
[04:54] <ragsagar> there is space b/w the app name and path
[04:54] <jimmygoon> :)
[04:55] <MikeCulver> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64181/
[04:55] <MrKeuner> I'll sleep sp that it will be tomorrow sooner
[04:55] <icesword> nickrud, thx, tony said hardy will be out before 00:00 24th in holland time
[04:55] <AutoMatriX> rickye must have got it ;)
[04:55] <nickrud> icesword only the shadow knows
[04:55] <DanaG> mumble grumble... scheduler issues....
[04:55] <AdrianStrays> !pastebin
[04:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[04:55] <icanhas> Mikec
[04:56] <icesword> nickrud, who is shadow
[04:56] <icanhas> MikeCulver: god you have more xorg edits than ME, that's bad
[04:56] <MikeCulver> lol
[04:56] <MikeCulver> well..
[04:56] <MikeCulver> i moved from a simple config back to one that worked previously
[04:56] <icanhas> MikeCulver: glxinfo | grep direct ?
[04:56] <jimmygoon> mumble grumble xorg patches, reversions, and ultimately zero usability of the installer for any gm855 users
[04:56] <gabriela> Hi, What player would I use to play .wma music files.  Looks like Exaile will not play them. Any Ideas?
[04:57] <pwnguin> gabriela: does totem not play them?
[04:57] <MikeCulver> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[04:57] <jimmygoon> gabriela, install restricted-extras and then any of htem
[04:57] <bardyr> gabriela, install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:57] <pwnguin> gabriela: apparently totem will play them if you install ubuntu-restricted-extras for the codecs ;)
[04:57] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64182/
[04:57] <bardyr> heh
[04:57] <nickrud> icesword a 30's radio serial in the states, he strike fear into the hearts of men
[04:57] <ragsagar> install vlx
[04:57] <ragsagar> sorry vlc
[04:57] <JPSman> so does ndiswrapper work in hardy?
[04:58] <bardyr> yes
[04:58] <pwnguin> vlc does a terrible job with softsubs
[04:58] <icesword> k
[04:58] <JPSman> hrm
[04:58] <gabriela> bardyr: Would I do a search in synaptics for "ubuntu-restricted-extras"?
[04:58] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: your fglrx is crashing on startup, and x is defaulting back to mesa. can you pastebin your /etc/X11/Xorg.0.log ?
[04:58] <cwillu> jimmygoon, have you seen nspluginwrapper?
[04:58] <AutoMatriX> hi folks, any Idea how to sync my cellular over IR with my laptop ?
[04:58] <icanhas> MikeCulver: any reason you aren't using fglrx?
[04:58] <nikitis> Is 8.04 released tomorrow April 24th sometime?
[04:58] <jimmygoon> cwillu, I'm using it
[04:58] <bardyr> gabriela, yes or sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:58] <jimmygoon> cwillu, not sure why its not the default
[04:59] <cwillu> do you still have libflashsupport installed?
[04:59] <jimmygoon> cwillu, how would I check that
[04:59] <bardyr> nikitis, yes
[04:59] <cwillu> synaptic
[04:59] <MikeCulver> fglrx.. on this config, with compiz active, periodically (about half the time) doesn't resume from suspend.. just hangs
[04:59] <jimmygoon> cwillu, I purged flash and then reinstalled it afterword
[04:59] <nikitis> bardyr, sweet i'm scheduling an off day for work ;)
[05:00] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, there is no such file, I even went in and looked myself.
[05:00] <icanhas> MikeCulver: oh, that sounds about right. i'll be honest with you, radeon drivers should work with compositing and dri default on hardy, so it must have something to do with your upgrade
[05:00] <odious_> nikitis: heh, it's april 24th here now and i did the same... but it's not out yet so i came into the office :P
[05:00] <jimmygoon> cwillu, dpkg -l | grep flash yields: ii  flashplugin-nonfree    <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2
[05:00] <cwillu> jimmygoon, are you still checking libflashsupport?
[05:00] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: /var/log/Xorg.0.log , sorry i'm distracted
[05:00] <cwillu> jimmygoon, try installing it
[05:00] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[05:00] <pwnguin> AdrianStrays: is there anything that matches Xorg.*.log?
[05:00] <DanaG> I have a way tweaked xorg.conf myself.
[05:00] <icanhas> pwnguin: my fault, i sent him to the wrong folder
[05:00] <cwillu> it used to be installed by default (now its just suggests, as it 'causes' the crash)
[05:00] <ragsagar> search for gstreamer
[05:00] <jimmygoon> cwillu, what about libflash?
[05:00] <gabriela> bardyr: Thanks so much - they are downloading now - appreciate it!
[05:01] <bardyr> gabriela, np
[05:01] <MikeCulver> icanhas: Really, I'm trying to get compiz up since the radeon performance is a bit better than it has been before.  I was hoping that would work without killing itself on resume which has largely been my problem
[05:01] <MikeCulver> icanhas: I'll try mergedfb
[05:01] <pwnguin> gabriela: dont thank us till it's working ;)
[05:01] <AdrianStrays> !pastebin
[05:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[05:01] <DanaG> Hmm, no audio, or crash city?
[05:01] <DanaG> It's a "rock and a hard place" situation.
[05:01] <jimmygoon> :(
[05:01] <cwillu> jimmygoon, I'm sorry?
[05:02] <DanaG> It'd be almost-fixed with that nspluginwrapper.
[05:02] <jimmygoon> cwillu, should I install libflash0 also?
[05:02] <jimmygoon> cwillu, or just libflashsupport
[05:02] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64183/
[05:02] <gabriela> pwnguin: still chugging away on dload - we'll see - I'm an optimist - grin
[05:02] <cwillu> jimmygoon, no, don't go installing things I didn't ask you to install :p
[05:02] <jimmygoon> cwillu, :) ok
[05:02] <rickey> it says  sudo  gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:03] <jimmygoon> cwillu, that fixes it
[05:03] <cwillu> okay
[05:03] <rickey> sudo gedit command not fond
[05:03] <Twistage> Is the upgrade to the new Gnome going to break all my current themes and desktop settings?
[05:03] <cwillu> you'll probably have a flash window turn grey once in a while, that's flash crashing (and not firefox, thanks to nspluginwrapper)
[05:04] <jimmygoon> cwillu, yeah, I've had that happen a few times. I figured as much and did a short prayer for firefox not crashing. I've never been more happy as something fails :/
[05:04] <rickey> me being in 804 dose that make a differnce?
[05:04] <ragsagar> rickey use nano instead of gedit
[05:04] <jimmygoon> rickey, did you install server?
[05:04] <rickey> ok ill tyry
[05:04] <icanhas> AdrianStrays:  cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep fglrx
[05:04] <rickey> no
[05:05] <DanaG> Nowadays I've come to dislike some specific closed-source software quite a lot.
[05:05] <cwillu> jimmygoon, supposedly (/me hopes) it also cures flash animations causing performance issues (or at least, will make them niceable)
[05:05] <ragsagar> wat no?
[05:05] <DanaG> FLash is among the worst.
[05:05] <DanaG> *crash* *crash* *crash* *crash* *crash* *crash* *crash* *crash*
[05:05] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, there was no output
[05:05] <DanaG> Thaaaaanks, Adobe.  Lovely.
[05:05] <jimmygoon> heh, windows flat out removed my sound card yesterday and the reinstall killed my control panel. it was fun to fix
[05:05] <Wyleyrabbit> .
[05:05] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: yeah, your xorg conf isn't trying to load fglrx drivers... you're not using fglrx at all right now
[05:06] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: it's not crashing, you're just not using it :P are you in Hardy I imagine? and new install or upgrade?
[05:06] <keb> i never had a crash with gnash
[05:06] <keb> but it is slower
[05:06] <jimmygoon> cwillu, hm, I dunna. I was just sick of it hanging on pages that used flash for trivial things in the background but flashblock helps and then with nspluginwrapper I'm a happy camper. Well, outside of my other issue
[05:06] <omgomgomghardyhe> AH
[05:06] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, I am.  It was an upgrade.
[05:06] <odious_> hi omgomgomghardyhe
[05:06] <cwillu> jimmygoon, I installed flashblock the day an ad started yelling at me to 'say something' at 4 in the morning
[05:07] <DanaG> What ad?
[05:07] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, that is really bizarre as I was using it in Gusty
[05:07] <DanaG> YOu should write a nasty letter to the advertiser.
[05:07] <omgomgomghardyhe> 'ello
[05:07] <DanaG> s/s/z/
[05:07] <jimmygoon> cwillu, haha, abblockplus also does wonders
[05:07] <cwillu> DanaG, those adverts for the smileyfaces you can add to msn messenger
[05:07] <odious_> DanaG: no you had it right the first time :)
[05:07] <cwillu> jimmygoon, flashblock is enough for me :p
[05:07] <DanaG> Probably come with free malware.
[05:07]  * jimmygoon LOVES smilies... all 10,000 he already has
[05:07] <JPSman> how can I update hardy when i can't get on line?
[05:07] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: ok ,PROBABLY what happened, is you had an old version of fglrx installed in an old kernel you used Gutsy on, didn't come to the new kernel.. but xgl DID< hence your slow down. lets fix your lag first ok?
[05:07] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, alright
[05:08] <DanaG> My smileys: ♡♥
[05:08]  * cwillu woots
[05:08] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xgl
[05:08] <DanaG> and ↖↑↗→↘↓↙←↖
[05:08]  * cwillu woohoo's as well
[05:08]  * cwillu sees npviewer.bin, and mercilessly nices it to +20
[05:08] <DanaG> Who needs smileys when you have unicode?
[05:08] <DanaG> You could wrap it in an auto 'nice'
[05:08] <JPSman> how can I upgrade hardy when i can't get online BECAUSE of hardy?
[05:08] <cwillu> however, you know what nsplugwrapper breaks?
[05:08] <keb> i wonder if the horns on unicode are magical
[05:08] <jimmygoon> <3 = awesome enough
[05:08] <pwnguin> anyone know a replacement for google browser sync? it's not compatible with ff3beta5
[05:09] <cwillu> the long-time-in-coming ability to mousewheel while the cursor is in a flash block :p
[05:09] <jimmygoon> pwnguin, do you just need bookmarks? or history and passwords too
[05:09] <odious_> JPSman: that is a pickle
[05:09] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, done
[05:09] <icanhas> AdrianStrays:
[05:09] <pwnguin> i'd prefer history+passwords
[05:09] <jimmygoon> cwillu, that didn't work for me even without nsplugwrapper
[05:09] <DanaG> That was still broken for me.
[05:09] <pwnguin> i dont need a delicious plugin
[05:09] <DanaG> ALways.
[05:09] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: now restart X, and i'll see you back in 45 seconds :)
[05:09] <jimmygoon> pwnguin, :) haha ok
[05:09] <JPSman> odious_: and if they come out with a fix how will I know?
[05:09] <DanaG> gucharmap!
[05:09] <DanaG> Run it and enjoy.
[05:09] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, okay hold on.
[05:09] <jimmygoon> god thats annoying too
[05:10] <JPSman> odious_: can I just burn a CD and update that way?
[05:10] <DanaG> Don't run with ✁✂✃✂✁✂✃✂✁✂✃✂✁✂✃✂
[05:10] <DanaG> Or I'll hit you with a(n) ✈
[05:10] <jimmygoon> JPSman, when you add put it in ubuntu will ask if you want to use it as a software repo then you can upgrade as normal
[05:10] <DanaG> Way fun.  Beats smileys, for sure.
[05:10] <icanhas> DanaG: hyper? a little less OT during help time plz.. :/
[05:11] <peepsalot> don't run with barbed wire?
[05:11] <JPSman> so wait for the latest version to come out on a CD iso then try it?
[05:11] <pwnguin> sadly, gnometerm+screen+irssi+localepurge gives me  < DanaG> Don't run with ââââââââââââââââ
[05:11] <DanaG> Actually, those were scissors.
[05:11] <pwnguin> hmm
[05:11] <DanaG> down middle up middle .... loop.
[05:11] <JPSman> no they were a's
[05:12] <jimmygoon> JPSman, sure, I'd personally check reports of dist-upgrading success first, sometimes its not a clean break and the internet is useful for fixes, reinstalling packages, irc help, etc
[05:12] <pwnguin> cutnpaste ftl
[05:12] <tcpdumpgod> Anyone using XMMS2?  I'm a gui sucker
[05:13] <DanaG> I use pidgin for irc.
[05:13] <jimmygoon> ewww
[05:13] <pwnguin> jimmygoon: you use /join and /part though, right?
[05:13] <ragsagar> iam using xchat
[05:13] <ragsagar> pidgin wont allow every commands
[05:13] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, you should've put really money on that... yes things are sigificantly better
[05:14] <jimmygoon> pwnguin, when I'm using something outside of my autoconnected channels yeah
[05:14] <ragsagar> anyone using Konversation?
[05:14] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: are you interested in knowing why? or would you rather just fix your fglrx now? :)
[05:14] <pwnguin> the only thing missing really is a who sidepane but oh well
[05:14] <peepsalot> DanaG, ah, yeah i can see them if i make the font some ridiculously huge size, otherwise they are kinda a blur
[05:14] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, I am! Do tell
[05:14] <pwnguin> better than a goofy irc proxy
[05:14] <jimmygoon> pwnguin, firewall somewhere?
[05:15] <peepsalot> pwnguin, you tried weechat?
[05:15] <jimmygoon> I need to setup a vpn server at home, my school is getting overzealous
[05:15] <peepsalot> +screen
[05:15] <pwnguin> jimmygoon: no
[05:15] <jimmygoon> mibbit rocks too... like seriously
[05:15] <pwnguin> peepsalot: once
[05:15] <peepsalot> seems nicer than irssi IMO
[05:16] <pwnguin> i should get this script working again i saw
[05:16] <jimmygoon> isn't screen like vnc for cli
[05:16] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: older versions of fglrx ( < 8.42.3, like the one in the Gutsy repos) do not support AIGLX, which is the replacement for xgl. xgl will eat you if compiz isn't running. and if your fglrx is broke because of your kernel change (like it was), then compiz can't run, therefore xgl is basically computer aids
[05:16] <jimmygoon> haha xgl = aids indeed
[05:16] <bardyr> :D
[05:16] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: luckily, Hardy's default fglrx in the repos is the newest 8-3, which fully supports AIGLX with your card, you should see very improved results.
[05:17] <pwnguin> basically you have an irssi plugin drop notifications to a file, then ssh and monitor that for changes and put a dbus notify on the local host for new entries
[05:17] <peepsalot> jimmygoon, no, vlc for cli would be ssh
[05:17] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: can you tell me what's in system->admin->hardware drivers?
[05:17] <pwnguin> basically, popups on highlight for screen+irssi
[05:17] <peepsalot> jimmygoon, there isn't really a good analogy for screen like that. i guess it's kinda like workspaces for cli
[05:17] <patifa> Anyone know why hardy would be failing to grab the Translation-en_US?
[05:17] <patifa> It seems to think I'm english UK, for whatever silly reason.
[05:17] <jimmygoon> hm, I suppose I will remain confused, haah
[05:18] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, thats very interesting.  I actually should've been able to put that together myself. I read about the changes to xgl and noticed compiz issues.... Thank you so much for your help thus far!
[05:18] <pwnguin> jimmygoon: screen doesn't know much about the network like vnc does
[05:18] <peepsalot> oops, i mean vnc, not vlc
[05:18] <jimmygoon> I think I sort of understand
[05:19] <pwnguin> you can install and run it locally
[05:19] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, the ATI accelerated graphics driver is no longer in use, although I activated it once I upgrade hardy (there was a weird crash though)
[05:19] <Fdisk93> is there a certan time 8.40 will be avalable for dl ?
[05:19] <quentusrex> is the release today?
[05:19] <quentusrex> if so what time?
[05:19] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: do you remember anything about the crash? (don't check that box yet)
[05:20] <peepsalot> 8.40 will be released 36 months from today
[05:20] <jimmygoon> :O
[05:20] <quentusrex> how do I get an xterm window to stay open?
[05:20] <quentusrex> can I pipe a wait command?
[05:20] <jimmygoon> don't type 'exit' :)
[05:20] <icanhas> quentusrex: why _isn't_ it staying open, is the question? :P
[05:21] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, yes I do.  The driver downloaded, but the installing screen never started.  The entire screen froze, and I left it alone for awhile, but when I came back it was still frozen, so I turned off the computer.
[05:21] <quentusrex> I've created a launcher to cat a log file
[05:21] <odious> 8.04 on the other hand who knows!
[05:21] <quentusrex> but once it's cat'd it the window closes....
[05:21] <Fdisk93> i ment 8.04
[05:21] <odious> anyone know?
[05:21] <JPSman> how can I find out what RaLink driver ubuntu used when packaging hardy?
[05:21] <JPSman> version number
[05:21] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: very interesting, we're going to first remove whatever's left of the old fglrx drivers and try to install with the RDM/jockey/hardware drivers manager again, if that doesn't work we'll have to install from source (which isn't so bad either)
[05:22] <quentusrex> ???
[05:22] <DanaG> modinfo rt2500pci:
[05:22] <DanaG> description:    Ralink RT2500 PCI & PCMCIA Wireless LAN driver.
[05:22] <DanaG> version:        2.1.4
[05:22] <jimmygoon> the release is April 24 so if it is the 24th in your GMT then yes, "today" is accurate. who knows when... whenever devs are done + launchpad finishes isos
[05:22] <DanaG> Any other module?
[05:22] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, okay.
[05:23] <JPSman> DanaG that doesn't make sense.  RaLinks website for linux only goes up to 1.4.6
[05:23] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: sudo apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx fglrx-driver
[05:25] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, done
[05:25] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: ok, now go back into hardware manager, check the box, and restart when it prompts you
[05:25] <_Rambaldi_> i am looking for software to remap my keys, any suggestion?
[05:26] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, I'm posting what we did onto the ubuntu forums so others might get some help from it.  What was the first thing we removed?
[05:27] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: this is a common issue, but it's user caused, technically it's not a bug or anything like it. if you installed NOT using the RDM in Gutsy, fglrx is going to break on first upgrade to Hardy. Just how it is. Anyone can come in here or #compiz-fusion and get help on this :)
[05:29] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, thank you so much for your help! Its support like this which makes me stick with Ubuntu even when I'm frustrated. Thanks! I'm going to restart now.
[05:29] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: don't thank me till compiz works :)
[05:32] <whitt>  can someone help me with an audio issue?  My music pauses whenever I switch users
[05:32] <JPSman> DanaG: where on god's green earth can I get the 2.1.4 driver for rt2500pci??????
[05:33] <DanaG> Maybe it's not a real version.
[05:33] <JPSman> is that _the_newest_ driver?
[05:33] <newuser777> Has the NTFS support been upgraded in the Hardy release? I often run into the problem where I've copied a file from ubuntu to my windows partition and the file is copied twice with the same filename but one is lower case and the other is uppcase. This really screws with windows and makes data backups difficult. Ubuntu also copies illegal characters such as ? which locks the file and causes a huge mess.
[05:33] <JPSman> ?
[05:33] <DanaG> Sometimes module versions are screwy like that.
[05:33] <JPSman> I just grabbed the hardy ac iso yesturday
[05:34] <JPSman> where did you get that modinfo's driver?  what are you using?
[05:34]  * patifa twiddles his thumbs waiting for major release.
[05:34] <DanaG> It's the packaged one, I think.
[05:34] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, as near as I can tell everything is running smoothly now.
[05:34]  * LibertyShadow watches southpark waiting for major release
[05:34] <DanaG> I just typed modinfo rt2500pci
[05:35]  * JPSman steals DanaG's rt2500pci.ko while he wasn't looking   -   he wasn't using it anyway
[05:35] <JPSman> :OD
[05:36] <DanaG> linux-backports-modules-2.6.24-16-generic: /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/rt2x00/rt2x00/rt2500pci.ko
[05:36] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: pastebin output of fglrxinfo please
[05:36] <DanaG> Try that.
[05:36] <DanaG> package.
[05:36] <gramm> Hardy ubiquity is stalling after migrating docs and settings
[05:37] <AdrianStrays> !pastebin
[05:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[05:37] <patifa> newuser777 I'd say ntfs support has gotten signifigantly better
[05:37] <JPSman> I'd love to but I dont have internet on the computer i need it on   >:O*
[05:37] <patifa> I find it to be a lot more stable now than it used to be
[05:37] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64188/
[05:37] <grhluna> yea
[05:37] <DanaG> You can download the deb and install it with gdebi
[05:37] <grhluna> looks like more stable
[05:38] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, actually a new/old thing emerged again just now.
[05:38] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: ?
[05:38] <grhluna> im still testing it
[05:38] <grhluna> i have to go easy with the graphics
[05:38] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, occasionally when changing pages, typing in information, or do anything, they horizontal lines appear sporadatically and momentarily throught the screen.
[05:39] <JPSman> and gdebi is the program that opens with a .deb file?
[05:39] <grhluna> i get those when i shut it down
[05:39] <grhluna> i think its the new nvidia driver
[05:39] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: glxinfo | grep direct
[05:39] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, like this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/ThePaleWhiteRose/Screenshot-1.png
[05:39] <gramm> Hardy ubiquity is stalling after migrating docs and settings, help?
[05:40] <jimmygoon> wait, in the screenshot too, ugh
[05:40] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, direct rendering: Yes
[05:40] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: ps -e | grep compiz
[05:41] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64189/
[05:42] <newuser777> patifa: Thanks for the response. I hope it has. I'm not complaining, for what Ubuntu offers it's well worth the occasional headache caused by a real error or one I created and am not versed enough to realize it's my fault.
[05:42] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: well compiz is running :) you may want to install ccsm if you haven't already. #compiz-fusion for issues with those horizontal lines, since they seem to be a compiz issue i'm unaware of
[05:43] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, thank you for all your help....again.  :D
[05:43] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: it's ok, i'm only alowed to help when no one smart is around. i'm pretty much useless ;)
[05:44] <AdrianStrays> icanhas, if you're useless then I have no idea what I am...lol...negative usefulness.  Sucking the usefulness right of people.
[05:45] <icanhas> AdrianStrays: well apparently i give an awful lot of bad advice ;)
[05:46] <AdrianStrays> Well if you ever need a character witness, you've got me.
[05:47] <JPSman> what?  why dont I have that??
[05:50] <Arenlor> Hello all, how goes it?
[05:50] <JPSman> DanaG: so newest driver version doesn't necessarily mean the best?
[05:51] <DanaG> Beats me.
[05:51] <DanaG> I haven't used ralink ... at least in Hardy.
[05:51] <Arenlor> JPSman, no not necessarily, usually though
[05:52] <latitu> how much time is left til the hardy release?
[05:52] <jgoo> sudo apt-get install mysql-server << best way to install mysql?
[05:52] <Arenlor> Every time someone asks that question it gets put back an hour latitu
[05:53] <latitu> Arenlor :)
[05:53] <jgoo> which question?
[05:53] <jgoo> the mysql one? ^^
[05:53] <Arenlor> no, he had asked how much time was left until release
[05:54] <Arenlor> jgoo you'll also want the client I believe, hold on, am running an update after it's done I'll look at synaptic
[05:55] <DanaG> "Intrepid" makes me think of cars... but I haven't a clue why.
[05:55] <jgoo> I did it and it lists mysql-client-5.0 as a package that is downloading
[05:55] <bullgard4> How can I add a switch to gnome-search-tool so that it will find hidden files and backups also? ('man gnome-search-tool' did not enlighten me.)
[05:55] <jgoo> Dodge Intrepid?
[05:56] <dholbach> good morning
[05:56] <Arenlor> morning dholbach
[05:56] <ripps> What is ubuntu going to do after they run out of letters in the alphabet
[05:56] <tawt> morning
[05:57] <tawt> lol  they started with warty warthog
[05:57] <dholbach> hi Arenlor
[05:57] <DanaG> jgoo: that may be it.
[05:57] <DanaG> I couldn't think of what car or truck it was.
[05:57] <tawt> ripps, check out wikipedia and search for ubuntu
[05:57] <Arenlor> bullgard4 'gnome-search-tool --hidden'
[05:58] <Arenlor> tawt that is still a valid question, no matter the order they can still only have 26 different english letters
[05:58] <cwillu> '''No. we don't know exactly the time when 8.04 will be released.'''
[05:59] <bullgard4> Arenlor: Yes indeed. I must have been too sleepy last night. --  Thank you very much for your help.
[05:59] <tawt> arenlor, get a new alphabet
[05:59] <Arenlor> bullgard4 also try 'gnome-search-tool --help' for a full list
[05:59] <tawt> lol
[05:59] <Arenlor> ooh an Ubuntu alphabet
[05:59] <cwillu> ripps, the first release was warty
[05:59] <tawt> i was thinking greek or arabic, but sure
[05:59] <DanaG> hoary hedgehog already used 'g'
[05:59] <DanaG> h'h'
[05:59]  * cwillu realizes he missed the sweet spot by 30 seconds, and sulks
[05:59] <DanaG> argh, can't type.
[06:00] <DanaG> hoary hedgehog already used 'h'
[06:00] <DanaG> There, fixed it.
[06:00] <Arenlor> hmm point to DanaG
[06:00] <wastrel> hoary
[06:01] <Arenlor> so do we have a bot commad for answering "When is it going to be out?" yet?
[06:01] <wastrel> !hardy
[06:01] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Support in #ubuntu+1 - Come join the #ubuntu-release-party now!
[06:01] <cwillu> '''No. we don't know exactly the time when 8.04 will be released.'''
[06:01] <wastrel> hrm.
[06:01] <cwillu> ubotu arewethereyet is No. we don't know exactly the time when 8.04 will be released.
[06:01] <cwillu> ubotu?
[06:02] <Arenlor> did someone give our bot cookies?
[06:02] <cwillu> !botsnack
[06:02] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[06:02] <icanhas> !cookies
[06:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cookies - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:03] <jbroome> haha
[06:03] <tawt> !food
[06:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about food - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:03] <jbroome> !botabuse
[06:03] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[06:03] <cwillu> Be Kind.  Don't Abuse the Bot
[06:04] <DanaG> Join #ubuntu-bots?\
[06:04] <DanaG> Can't send to channel.
[06:04] <DanaG> That part of the factoid is not helpful.
[06:04] <Arenlor> moderation is on
[06:05] <DanaG> aah.
[06:05] <DanaG> I have a self-imposed rule: if I can't find something by 2 tries, I give up.
[06:06] <jgoo> !intrepid
[06:06] <ubotu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[06:06] <tawt> !isitout
[06:06] <ubotu> isitout is The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[06:06] <jgoo> the .04 and .10 version naming... with the major versions as days, is that coincidence or design?
[06:07] <DanaG> Years and moths, actually.
[06:07] <jgoo> so the next is 9.04, then 9.10, then 10.04, 10.10 etc ?
[06:07] <DanaG> Er, months.
[06:07] <jgoo> aaah i see yes
[06:07] <Arenlor> months not days and yes
[06:07] <jgoo> me stupid
[06:07] <icanhas> 8.10, actually.
[06:07] <DanaG> Though moths are nice, too.
[06:07] <DanaG> Not.
[06:07] <Jeeves_> Are we there yet? :P
[06:07] <tawt> that makes sense
[06:07] <DanaG> Sorry, I just haaad to say that.
[06:07] <jgoo> icanhas: I meant after 8.10
[06:08] <Bryan> >_> I'm having trouble with my broadcom chip. The connection keeps dropping out.
[06:08] <jgoo> So what new is planned for intrepid?
[06:08] <Arenlor> every six months to coincide with GNOME
[06:08] <DanaG> Dodge Intrepid?
[06:08] <jgoo> I thought gnome was 6 months to coincide with ubuntu?
[06:08] <m11> :)
[06:08] <icanhas> jgoo: generally speaking, after ibex, the next release will be 1 month after the next gnome release
[06:08] <jgoo> =) yeah - but I heard they will be more 'adventurous' with the styling.
[06:09] <DanaG> I like my Nodoka engine theme.
[06:09] <jgoo> I hope we will get multitouch support in gnome
[06:09] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png
[06:09] <tawt> after hardy is released, will this channel merge with #ubuntu
[06:09] <m11> i have question about styling, how can i retrive that nice orange bar that was on main menus in alpha version ?
[06:09] <DanaG> For a while, yes.
[06:09] <jgoo> multitouch + compiz-fusion + nsfw == profit!
[06:09] <jbroome> no. it'll be ibex stuff
[06:09] <DanaG> nsfw?  No thanks.
[06:09] <Arenlor> Bryan, welcome to hell, have you tried ndiswrapper with it?
[06:10] <DanaG> I now have the iGoogle teahouse thingy as my wallpaper.... complete with changing-over-time.
[06:10] <jgoo> ok, but... what is planned? just improvements... I should google multitouch gnome I think...
[06:10] <DanaG> Fades over hours.
[06:10] <jgoo> or would this have to be lower in the os layer?
[06:10] <juice__> i have a question about emerald themer. can  i not use it anymore, did the 8.04 update render it useless? how now do i go about installing themes?
[06:10] <jbroome> !ibex | jgoo
[06:10] <ubotu> jgoo: Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[06:10] <JPSman> can I connect to the net through an ethernet?
[06:10] <DanaG> That Nodoka engine looks pretty nice, without being drastically different.
[06:11] <Arenlor> no tawt, what happens is it gets closed to new people and we just stay in as long as we can/want
[06:11] <JPSman> er, I mean, an ethernet connected to another computer thats using wireless to connect?
[06:11] <DanaG> Oh, bridging?  Maybe.
[06:11] <tawt> arenlor, lol
[06:11] <ripps> So, the 9.04 release will have J - J nameing scheme, right?
[06:11] <tawt> arenlor, seriously?
[06:12] <tawt> yep ripps
[06:12] <Arenlor> yes I'm serious
[06:12] <kahrytan> jgoo-> And it will be v8.10
[06:12] <jgoo> has anyone here made an ftir multitouch display? I would love to run Ubuntu on one... if I was sure of the software I'd go ahead and hack on up before summer
[06:12] <kahrytan> jgoo->  You figure out the meaning of the versions?
[06:12] <Lunks> Is it out?
[06:12] <tawt> lol  i'm never leaving.  jk.  i'll want to boot hardy
[06:12] <bullgard4> DanaG: In www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png there is a little penguin to be seen in the upper panel What does this applet stand for?
[06:13] <jgoo> kahrytan: yeah, I figured it out
[06:13] <DanaG> that's 'gnubiff'
[06:13] <Arenlor> they all get rerouted to #ubuntu when they try to join and all of us that were in here saying we don't know when it'll be released and helping people with last minute bugs relax in silence
[06:13] <DanaG> Checks mail.
[06:13] <ripps> Jolly Jay?
[06:13] <kahrytan> jgoo->  good
[06:13] <jgoo> aaah. what is the one with lines like looks like asystem monitor?
[06:13] <juice__> i have a question about emerald themer. can  i not use it anymore, did the 8.04 update render it useless? how now do i go about installing themes?
[06:13] <DanaG> That's hardware-monitor.
[06:13] <tawt> ripps, it'll be an african animal
[06:13] <jgoo> wow, applet overload... i can has annotation?
[06:13] <Arenlor> Rebooting, back in a bit
[06:14] <DanaG> Yeah, my panel is a bit.... busy.
[06:14] <tawt> jolly jaguar?
[06:14] <juice__> haha
[06:14] <tawt> jumpy jaguar
[06:14] <juice__> leahprosy lion
[06:14] <tawt> jittery
[06:14] <tawt> hehe
[06:15] <icanhas> jumping jalopy
[06:15] <tawt> what's a jalopy?
[06:15] <juice__> can someone help me with themes
[06:15] <juice__> !theme
[06:15] <ripps> Jolly Jackal
[06:15] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:15] <jgoo> It will be Jackal
[06:16] <jgoo> ripps: you beat me to it
[06:16] <jgoo> Jolly Jackal gets my vote
[06:16] <juice__> mine too
[06:16] <tawt> sounds good
[06:16] <ripps> where do we submit these suggestions?
[06:16] <DanaG> jackalope?
[06:16] <jgoo> ubuntu+3
[06:16] <juice__> try launchpad
[06:16] <DanaG> jackrabbit
[06:17] <bullgard4> Where am I supposed to store GNOME source code files in Ubuntu Hardy?
[06:17] <tawt> ripps, just keep saying it until everyone believes that it will be jolly jackal.  then it will be
[06:18] <ripps> Quick! To all the channels!
[06:18] <juice__> ha
[06:18] <juice__> im in
[06:18] <jgoo> Jiggly Jackal... Juicy, Jovial, Jocular, Jubilant, Jaunty... Should be as easy for people to spell phonetically as possible, and not mean 'old man who kills goats' in Mandarin.
[06:19] <topyli> bullgard4: wherever you feel like
[06:19] <icanhas> don't most words mean that in madarin?
[06:19] <jgoo> That or 'Bit the wax tadpole'.
[06:19] <jgoo> *e
[06:20] <m11> i have question about styling, how can i retrive that nice orange bar/stripe that was on main menus in alpha version ?
[06:20] <jgoo> Jolly Jackal is so full of win. I am looking forward to contributing to the Ibex wallpaper... they are awesome... and has bigger horns than GNU ;p
[06:20] <SuperRoach> its still not here yet!
[06:21] <jgoo> the name... that is.
[06:22] <jgoo> Wasn't there a story about a woman who adopted a jackal? I wonder how she got on
[06:23] <tawt> ...
[06:24] <tawt> lol
[06:25] <jgoo> baby jackals are cute. some are stripey, others two tone... but I think jackal + firefox has some opp for wallpaper.
[06:25] <tawt> so...
[06:25] <tawt> !isitout
[06:25] <ubotu> isitout is The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[06:25] <tawt> i like jaguars a little better than jackals
[06:25] <jgoo> I am going to the international date line so I can download it first.
[06:26] <tawt> lol
[06:26] <ripps> Jaguar was already used by Mac
[06:26] <tawt> ahhh...  we can't be too much like them
[06:27] <tawt> good thinking
[06:27] <jgoo> Jade Jaguar? mystical. oh yeah. ok, Jolly Jackal is unique enough to be web searchable too
[06:27] <ethana2> our jaguar can eat theirs
[06:27] <ethana2> so can our leapord
[06:27] <jgoo>  Jolly Jackal Bar & Grill,
[06:27] <jgoo> BUGGER.
[06:27] <DanaG> jumping jahossophet (or however the heck you spell that)
[06:28] <ripps> Lush Lemor?
[06:28] <tawt> lol danag
[06:28] <tawt> laughing lemor?
[06:28] <ripps> I like Laughing Lemur...
[06:28] <DanaG> Oh, how I wish Nautilus could do argb!
[06:28] <tawt> too much effort typing laughing though...
[06:28] <tawt> lol
[06:28] <DanaG> Then I could have semitransparent wallpaper!
[06:29] <pawan> hi
[06:29] <pawan> when is the new version coming lout
[06:29] <tawt> hi pawan
[06:29] <pawan> out
[06:29] <tawt> !isitout
[06:29] <ubotu> isitout is The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[06:29] <DanaG> !when
[06:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about when - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:29] <ripps> Loopy Lemur?
[06:29] <tawt> we need to definitely keep the Lemur part
[06:29] <DanaG> I'm loopy! I'm loopy! I'm loopy! I'm loopy! (some random cartoon character does that.... I don't remember who)
[06:30] <tawt> lumpy lemur
[06:30] <tawt> eww
[06:30] <ripps> lol
[06:30] <Flannel> Loopy Lemur?  Isn't that the author of all those westerns?
[06:30] <DanaG> screwy squirrel?
[06:30] <tawt> lazy lemur
[06:31] <tawt> lazy is easy, and sounds like a good code name
[06:31] <JPSman> So my laptop has killer internet access...can i use ITS net access through an ethernet to my desktop?
[06:31] <ripps> lazy might work, but does send the right message...
[06:31] <JPSman> treat the laptop as a bridge?
[06:31] <tawt> does warty?
[06:32] <ripps> Best to ignore the names of the first two, as they didn't follow the name scheme anyway
[06:32] <tawt> yeah
[06:32] <JPSman> yeah whats the name of the next release?
[06:32] <tawt> something ibex
[06:32] <ripps> !intrepid | JPSman
[06:32] <ubotu> JPSman: Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[06:33] <JPSman> Intrepid - i'll be using an SUV operating system :OP
[06:34] <ripps> Yeah, your fuel budget will go through the roof
[06:34] <Ununbium> that name is definatly too awkward to say all the time
[06:34]  * Ununbium thinks the common name will be "ibex"
[06:34] <Ununbium> rather than intrepid
[06:34] <JPSman> Pardy Hardy
[06:34] <DanaG> Yeah.  Bad name choice.
[06:34] <ripps> Ibee
[06:34] <tawt> intrepid is harder to type out
[06:34] <icanhas> ibex _looks_ sexy on paper, ubuntu artists must LOVE it
[06:35] <DanaG> Innovative?  Intrepid?  Inspiring?  Inspired?
[06:35] <JPSman> Intimidating?
[06:35] <tawt> lol  inspired would take away all the search engines from the religious-types
[06:36] <JPSman> Icey?
[06:36] <DanaG> Brrr...
[06:36] <tawt> i like it.  cool crisp, and clear
[06:37] <jgoo> What was the creature from ice age? the acorn hunting one?
[06:37] <DanaG> Scrat.
[06:37] <jgoo> I think if they are making ice age three, I wouldn't mind them cobranding it in, especially if they use linux to make ice age (what do they use? was it 100% maya?)
[06:37] <JPSman> uh, the funniest damn squirl ever
[06:37] <jgoo> aaah was a squirrel, yeah.. cool :)
[06:38] <jgoo> did they already have ice age 3?
[06:38] <DanaG> Speaking of s--at:  bus line: south county area transit: scat.
[06:38] <DanaG> Better: "South Pine Lake Area Transit": splat.  (Entirely fictional.)
[06:38] <DanaG> s/splat/SPLAT/
[06:38] <jgoo> I look forward to the puns in GTA IV
[06:38] <DanaG> Wed Apr 23 22:38:57 PDT 2008
[06:39] <tawt> lol.  i love how the support channel has turned into a semi-offtopic channel
[06:39] <jgoo> !isitout
[06:39] <ubotu> isitout is The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[06:39] <DanaG> Better tham asking that.
[06:39] <DanaG> than.
[06:39] <jgoo> it is onlye a semi-support channel to begin with
[06:39] <subpar> so ... is it out? ;)
[06:39] <tawt> true, it was hard to get help
[06:40] <jgoo> subpar, if you set your timezone to GMT+28, then you can download it now!
[06:40] <jgoo> I tried it and it worked!
[06:40] <JPSman> where is Baker and Howland island?
[06:40] <subpar> haha I'm running the beta anyways
[06:40] <jgoo> subpar has come from the future!
[06:40] <subpar> :D
[06:40]  * jgoo too
[06:40] <tawt> lol
[06:41]  * tawt used to be, until he screwed it up
[06:41] <jgoo> ahahaah oh sorry man, I almost coffeefied my keyboard though
[06:41] <JPSman> I need support, I just dont know how to go about doing it.  Can I extract a windows wireless driver (for a rt2500pci) from an EXE?  because thats what the website offers for an update
[06:42] <JPSman> the RALINK website
[06:43] <Arenlor> try cabextract JPSman while I look into it
[06:43] <jgoo> hrm, real support question: I installed msfonts, and after I did a message came up saying I needed to do something else to make them usable... but I didn't read it and ignored it (it said for printing I didn't need to do this)
[06:43] <jgoo> and my fonts in jedit right now look all... messed up
[06:44] <letterman> I just did a frehs install of kubuntu RC
[06:44] <Arenlor> jgoo what is the package name?
[06:44] <jgoo> ittei.e..te.t or something... it had i's and t's in it.
[06:44] <Arenlor> cool welcome letterman
[06:44] <jgoo> actually, my fonts are good except monospaced.
[06:44] <DanaG> msttcorefonts?
[06:44] <letterman> and I'm stuck on this bug: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread?t=715247
[06:45] <jgoo> can you recommend a good terminal font that is utf8able?
[06:45] <JPSman> cabextract on an exe?
[06:45] <Arenlor> yes JPSman
[06:45] <jgoo> yes, that one, but after installing it, it says install... iett...something
[06:45] <Arenlor> or try unzip
[06:45] <letterman> I've got an nvidia 7050 graphics, and I tried downloading the most recent driver from their website. Here's the error log: http://www.pastebin.org/31661
[06:45] <Bryan_> in linux where is the file that allows you to stop services before suspend?
[06:46] <Arenlor> jgoo 'sudo apt-get remove --purge msttcorefonts' and then install them again
[06:46] <JPSman> nogo on archive manager
[06:46] <DanaG> You may try wine'ing "uniextract'
[06:46] <DanaG> If all else fails.
[06:47] <letterman> can someone help?
[06:48] <Arenlor> letterman hold on a second
[06:48] <Bryan_> letterman, nvidia problem?
[06:48] <jgoo> aaaaah I remember... the core fonts... it is the installer... you have to run something afterwards...
[06:48] <letterman> yeah'
[06:49] <letterman> on Kubuntu RC 64bit
[06:49]  * ripps suggests EnvyNG for installing ATI and Nvidia drivers
[06:49] <Bryan_> did you try the beta O_o?
[06:49] <Arenlor> try 'sudo apt-get install libc6-dev' and see if it works after that
[06:49] <letterman> http://www.pastebin.org/31661
[06:50] <letterman> I downloaded file:///home/peabody/Desktop/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-169.12-pkg2.run
[06:50] <Arenlor> letterman try what I suggested
[06:50] <Bryan_> letterman, thats not the beta. thats the 'stable' release.
[06:50] <jgoo> one thing I will say - wifi config is easier in live session than when installed... in live session it isn't in roaming mode... or if it is, it finds the networks and just works... in installed mode... I needed always to remove roaming to get the networks to show up :/
[06:50] <m11> !envy
[06:50] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[06:50] <Bryan_> !suspend
[06:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suspend - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:50] <Bryan_> damn
[06:51] <ripps> !envyng
[06:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about envyng - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:51] <Arenlor> Bryan having an issue?
[06:51] <ripps> regardlesss of whether EnvyNG is officially supported, it just seems to work. letterman: http://www.albertomilone.com/envyngfaq.html#A
[06:52] <letterman> Bryan_: where do I find the beta drivers, the website says that is the latest
[06:52] <jgoo> "Msttcorefonts uses the DEbian FOnt MAnager (defoma). If you wish to use the fonts provided by this package under the X Window System, you must configure it to use defoma fonts."
[06:52] <jgoo> "The easiest way to do so is to use the x-ttcidfont-conf package"
[06:52] <DanaG> Current "Envy" driver is the same as the packaged one.
[06:52] <Bryan_> Arenlor, yeah. I had set up the network daemon to be stopped before suspend.
[06:52] <jgoo> o_0 never had that come up...
[06:52] <Bryan_> And i don't need it to do that anymore, but I forgot what file I edit to remove that issue
[06:53] <Bryan_> letterman, what card again?
[06:53] <jgoo> Arenlor: so that is the package it says I need: The easiest way to do so is to use the x-ttcidfont-conf package
[06:53] <Arenlor> letterman ignore what Bryan had said and run 'sudo apt-get install libc6-dev' then run what you tried again
[06:53] <IcemanV9> sudo: unable to resolve host ???  (looking thru bugs report .... )
[06:53] <juice__> !kiba
[06:53] <Arenlor> jgoo install that and see how it works
[06:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kiba - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <Arenlor> IcemanV9 more info please, it could just be a DNS issue
[06:54] <letterman> Should I get a gtk version if I'm running kubuntu?
[06:54] <juice__> !dock
[06:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <juice__> !avant
[06:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avant - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <DanaG> !google
[06:54] <ubotu> google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[06:55] <Arenlor> !botabuse
[06:55] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[06:56] <IcemanV9> Arenlor: i just upgraded 7.10 to 8.04 and everything went well. it asked me to reboot. then, i cannot sudo at all.
[06:56] <juice__> thanks.
[06:56] <jgoo> Arenlor: I have defoma installed - so, the core fonts synaptic part finished, do I need to run an install? (I saw it downloading the files and doing something)
[06:56] <Gnine> Bug 195308
[06:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195308 in linux-meta "unable to resolve host (dup-of: 32906)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195308
[06:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32906 in sudo "sudo shouldn’t ABSOLUTELY NEED to look up the host it’s running on" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32906
[06:57] <jgoo> OK, I see I have verdana - that must mean it worked.
[06:57] <JPSman> so on this page here http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Downloads   It talks about drivers havning to be pulled with a git content tracker....what the devil this?
[06:57] <ripps> letterman: get the qt version
[06:58] <jgoo> aaah bitstream vera sans mono how I love thee, thanks Arenlor
[06:58] <letterman> EnvyNG couldn't carry out the task you chose because of the following error: warnings.warn("apt API not stable yet", FutureWarning)
[06:58] <letterman> lame
[06:58] <IcemanV9> ah ha! thanks Gnine. that's it. now, i can sudo.
[06:59] <ripps> Whaa?
[06:59] <letterman> Bryan_: I'm running the gefore 7050
[06:59] <letterman> I've installed libc, now I'm scrollingfor a website for the beta drivers
[07:00] <Bryan_> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.08.html
[07:00] <Bryan_> Geforce, right?
[07:00] <letterman> yeah
[07:00] <Bryan_> mmk
[07:00] <Bryan_> thats the newest 'beta' driver.
[07:00] <letterman> smd64
[07:00] <letterman> amd64
[07:01] <Arenlor> letterman you installed 'libc6-dev' right, and don't use the beta drivers just use the ones the company released as the most stable version, it's smartest
[07:01] <Bryan_> >_> not always.