[00:40] <ubuntu-user> fhjkf
[00:40] <ubuntu-user> h
[00:40] <ubuntu-user> j
[00:40] <ubuntu-user> j
[02:05] <Guest80101> hello, I am new to this channel. I am hoping someone might help me get my scarlett 2i4 to work on my lattitude laptop. Audacity can use it under ALSA. Ardour and Rosegarden see that its a 2i4 but when I chose it it ignores it. Of course i had started jack first. Any ideas? Thanks.
[14:45] <pikurasa> It says that this IRC is logged, but does anyone know where? A modest search query did not show where it is. Thanks!
[14:46] <holstein> pikurasa: sure..
[14:46] <holstein> pikurasa: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[14:47] <holstein> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/09/04/%23ubuntustudio.html for example..
[14:48] <pikurasa> Wow, there is a lot in here!
[14:49] <cfhowlett> pikurasa, find the channel you want , the date and then ctrl-f a search term
[14:49] <pikurasa> Thanks, holstein!
[18:34] <Arthr> hey
[18:36] <holstein> o/
[18:37] <Arthr> u gd?
[18:38] <holstein> gd? like, am i good? sure.. im ok.. whats up?
[18:40] <Arthr> just burnin' away a friday evening really..
[18:40] <Arthr> trying to get busy on the production side of things
[18:40] <holstein> likewise.. i have a project open that im procrasinating working on
[18:41] <Arthr> haha, what genre?
[18:41] <Arthr> roughly
[18:42] <holstein> this is a live jazz thing
[18:43] <Arthr> ah nice, I used to play alot of improv Jazz stuff on keys
[18:49] <Arthr> just had a few masters back actually
[18:49] <Arthr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjcVwJD7e0k
[18:49] <Arthr> that's the kinda stuff I make now, albeit a remix lol
[18:53] <holstein> ah.. interesting
[18:53] <holstein> you do the animation, as well.. who is singing?
[18:54] <Arthr> yea my project at the moment is one half music one half animation based on that character
[18:54] <Arthr> it's a remix of massive attack that one
[18:54] <Arthr> :)
[18:57] <Arthr> have any clips of your stuff?
[18:59] <holstein> http://holsteinmusic.com/ is the stuff that is excusivley mine
[19:00] <Arthr> cool will check it out now
[19:03] <Arthr> really nice recordings
[19:03] <holstein> cheers
[19:05] <Arthr> np
[19:30] <Arthr> I had better shoot of and grab some grub
[19:30] <holstein> o/
[19:30] <holstein> cheers..
[19:31] <Arthr> laters :)
[19:31] <Arthr> keep up the good music
[19:31] <holstein> likewise!
[19:31] <holstein> check out #opensourcemusicians some time..
[19:32] <Arthr> ahh wicked, good chat?
[19:32] <holstein> yup
[19:32] <Arthr> on freenode?
[19:32] <holstein> yup :)
[19:33] <Arthr> bootiful, will fire it up now
[19:34] <Arthr> not sure anyone is online at the mo
[19:35] <holstein> nah.. you just missed a bunch of stuff..
[19:35] <Arthr> haha, story of my life lol
[19:36] <Arthr> that was a bit melodramatic, that's not the case really
[19:36] <holstein> hehe. no worries.. it'll pick back up, im sure
[19:36] <Arthr> what do you record your strings with, multi mic'd?
[19:37] <holstein> sometimes
[19:37] <holstein> i have a rhode nt1000
[19:37] <holstein> and a pait of nt5's..
[19:38] <holstein> and, a tube mic.. alesis am62
[19:38] <holstein> and some other crap, as well..
[19:38] <Arthr> oh cool, so loads of options in the mix to get a nice balance?
[19:38] <holstein> i think, the stuff on that site "open" and "living" are just the nt1000
[19:39] <holstein> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/brendleholstein though.. i remember we had one nt1000 and one octava per bass
[19:42] <Arthr> recording is great, can hear all the handwork which is nice
[19:43] <holstein> 3 different studio spaces, of course
[19:43] <holstein> i move a lot..
[19:43] <Arthr> getting a universal sound across the album must have been a challenge then?
[19:45] <holstein> well, i mean, the 3 different recordings, i had different studios
[19:46] <holstein> i think, rhyzome was done in 3 different spaces, though ;)
[19:46] <holstein> i cant remember..
[19:46] <holstein> i know, i had differnet spaces between them..
[19:46] <Arthr> haha crazy
[19:46] <holstein> but, i think we tracked a few differfent times...
[19:47] <holstein> and, we did some of this, as well..
[19:47] <Arthr> yea fair enough, is it cello you play or double bass/both?
[19:47] <holstein> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7FZ1lXyM-k
[19:47] <holstein> bass
[19:48] <Arthr> oh cool!
[19:48] <Arthr> they're beautiful things, my girlfriend would love one for the house
[19:49] <holstein> ok.. gtg.. cheers!
[19:50] <Arthr> laters man


[00:25] <Svenstaro> stgraber, yeah I actually know so much. I was merely concerned with the stance of what sounded like "Happy 4th July everywhere in the world" which seems a bit ignorant to me.
[02:00] <vprm> can i install 9.04 on a windows xp with 2 disk, 1 disk is windows, 2 disk is linux??
[04:45] <dgroos> Hi--just coming back after the party and fireworks.  The weather was great this evening--pure blue skies--and that was different a couple of hours before that as it was a heavy downpour.  Strange, weather...
[04:46] <dgroos> I had a friend who said where he came from on the farm there was a saying that if you think you can predict the weather you are either a newcomer or ignorant :)
[04:49] <dgroos> Svenstaro: I wanted to address your concern--a few hours ago-- that my reference to my impending, 'July 4th partying' was an expression of ignorant provincialism, assuming that 'everyone would know about the july 4th celebration in the US'.
[04:50] <dgroos> Actually, one thing that tickles me--delights me to no end--is that here we are conversing from many ends of the world, together.
[04:52] <dgroos> I like saying, and reading others say, 'good morning' with full knowledge that many readers are just entering night, or it is mid-afternoon for them or for me.  That's cool :)
[04:53] <dgroos> Your comment, however, reminded me, that I need to not forget that while I'm talking in my own language, English, many people are talking, not in their language, but in mine.  This shouldn't be taken for granted.
[04:56] <dgroos> While I do speak Spanish fluently (though not write--that's different), I'm continually shocked be so many people on the list, such as your self, who write English so flawlessly and with such depth.
[04:58] <dgroos> I don't take that lightly.  I realize that there are some weird, shall we say bad, politics of which I generally happen to benefit from and thus can communicate with you-all and not have to speak German, French, Finish, Greek, Portuguese, etc. but my own language.
[04:59] <dgroos> Anyway, Svenstaro, thanks for bringing up that which is often just below the surface.  And, I'm lucky and glad you speak more than German!  :)
[04:59] <dgroos> The End :)
[05:06] <dgroos> stgraber: I thought you might (?) be interested in the output from when I upgraded from your launchpad--not through the GUI which gave an error, but through the CLI, which worked well.  Here's the paste:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/210132.
[05:07] <dgroos> stgrager: Actually, I noticed that the errors I've had these last couple of days with hal sometimes included things about the ldm-server.  I wonder if I didn't properly address this earlier and it led to some problems... FYI
[05:11] <Svenstaro> dgroos, oh hi again, I see you've taken note of my note taking :P
[05:13] <dgroos> :)
[05:18] <dgroos> Svenstaro: And thinking about time-o-day it would be around 7-8 AM?  Pretty early or late?
[05:20] <Svenstaro> Late I guess
[05:21] <Svenstaro> I'm starting to think that I might have way too many projects.
[05:22] <Svenstaro> And thanks for your complements.
[05:28] <dgroos> Svenstaro:  :)
[15:43] <stgraber> dgroos: that's the expected behavior, ldm-server replaces ldminfod so it conflicts with ldminfod to get it removed
[16:18] <sn9> bug 269853 is annoying
[16:29] <sn9> ogra: apparently, the bug triager asked the reporter for more info, and the reporter misunderstood what was asked, leading it to be marked Invalid, but the bug is still there
[18:27] <dgroos> stgraber: for sure. Is, 'Try command line interface to install package when package won't install via gui" common wisdom in Linux world?
[18:53] <stgraber> dgroos: when using a PPA containing backports of the current development version, yes it's
[18:55] <stgraber> update-manager (the GUI) is supposed to do the same with the -c option but it's usually used for dist-upgrading to the next release, not dist-upgrading to the current release
[19:28] <Daskreec1> Hello
[19:28] <Daskreec1>  what's a good Biology application for High school level studetns?
[19:39] <dgroos> Hi Daskreec1
[19:39] <dgroos> I don't think too many teachers hang out on this list...
[19:41] <dgroos> Personally, I don't know of a good app.  I'd suggest signing up for the edubuntu users list and asking there--Here's the address... https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users.
[19:41] <dgroos> good luck.
[19:46] <Daskreec1> Thanks. Everything seems focused on the molecular or genetic level. I'd like something much lighter
[19:59] <Daskreec1> dgroos: Also is there a wikipedia offline reader available ?
[20:15] <Daskreec1> hi dgroos welcome back
[20:16] <dgroos> Daskreec1: I googled and found no definitive yes--sorry.
[20:19] <a-st> hello
[20:20] <a-st> Does the edubuntu cd work with ubuntu and kubuntu?
[20:20] <Daskreec1> Thre was a KDE one called knowledge year or so back
[20:21] <a-st> So it just works with ubuntu?
[20:23] <Daskreec1> a-st I think there is a edubuntu-kde-desktop package you can install
[20:23] <a-st> okay thx
[20:33] <Daskreec1> scroll-keepr is taking up 70% of my CPU. What's that supposed to be doing?
[20:36] <Daskreec1> !info edubuntu-desktop-kde | a-st
[20:37] <a-st> oky thx trying it in a vbox ;)
[20:38] <Daskreec1> ok :)
[23:02] <UbuntuNewb> Hello!
[23:02] <sn9> hi
[23:02] <UbuntuNewb> I have a question about setting up a FTP server on my Unbuntu jaunty...
[23:02] <sn9> you sure ftp is what you want?
[23:02] <UbuntuNewb> Is it possible I can ask that question here?
[23:03] <UbuntuNewb> no, no necessarily, I just want read/write access remotely to my hdd
[23:04] <UbuntuNewb> Is there a reason not to choose FTP?
[23:04] <sn9> because it's not meant for that?
[23:05] <UbuntuNewb> ok, what would you recommend then?
[23:05] <UbuntuNewb> I'm quite new to ubuntu
[23:06] <sn9> ubuntu has an integrated sftp client
[23:06] <UbuntuNewb> ok, would you recommend it?
[23:06] <sn9> yes, since on the server side, setup is dead-simple
[23:06] <UbuntuNewb> great
[23:07] <UbuntuNewb> what's it called?
[23:07] <sn9> all you do is install a single package on the server, and everything is ready
[23:07] <sn9> the package is openssh-server
[23:07] <UbuntuNewb> ok great..
[23:07] <sn9> you don't even need it on the client, just the server
[23:08] <UbuntuNewb> ok, and I can app it with synaptic?
[23:08] <sn9> on the client, Places -> Connect to Server... -> Service type: SSH
[23:09] <sn9> yes, install that pkg with synaptic
[23:09] <sn9> on the server only
[23:09] <UbuntuNewb> cool...
[23:10] <UbuntuNewb> my only issue is that the client will be running on windows machines...
[23:10] <sn9> ohhhhh
[23:10] <UbuntuNewb> do you know a good ssh client for xp for instance?
[23:10] <sn9> then you want to use samba instead
[23:10] <UbuntuNewb> aha, ok...
[23:11] <sn9> unless it will be over the public internet, which is a bad use of samba
[23:11] <UbuntuNewb> it it to be used over the Internet
[23:11] <UbuntuNewb> sadlyy.. I'm going abroad and need acess to my files
[23:11] <sn9> sftp is ok, then
[23:12] <UbuntuNewb> sftp, is it SSL or why is it called sftp?
[23:12] <sn9> only sftp client i really know for windows is putty
[23:12] <UbuntuNewb> ok, will suffice
[23:13] <sn9> unless you have access to KDE for windows, which has one called FiSH
[23:13] <alkisg> UbuntuNewb: for file copying over sftp, filezilla & winscp
[23:13] <alkisg> (windows)
[23:14] <sn9> ok, those will likely work better than putty
[23:14] <alkisg> Yeah, putty is for remote ssh session mainly :)
[23:14] <UbuntuNewb> alkisg, thnx
[23:14] <sn9> try filezilla first
[23:14] <UbuntuNewb> will do.
[23:14] <UbuntuNewb> so How do I setup the server?
[23:15] <alkisg> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[23:15] <sn9> install openssh-server and just go
[23:15] <UbuntuNewb> okidoki
[23:17] <UbuntuNewb> my machine is really slow, I'm running it off a Atom 1200
[23:18] <sn9> better that than a celeron
[23:19] <UbuntuNewb> so, I think it's installing now...
[23:19] <UbuntuNewb> also I'm running the whole setup off of a compactflash card
[23:20] <UbuntuNewb> So, it's dead silent but a little slow...
[23:23] <alkisg> What, no cpu fan?
[23:23] <UbuntuNewb> a small cpu fan, low rpm...
[23:23] <sn9> make sure you have no swap partition
[23:23] <UbuntuNewb> and a 12 Cm fan in the chasis, very low rpm
[23:24] <UbuntuNewb> yes, I pulled down the "swapiness" to 5 I think
[23:24] <sn9> turn it off altogether
[23:25] <UbuntuNewb> could do, I just got recommendations to leasve it on 5... dunno why
[23:25] <UbuntuNewb> It swaps 1 Mbyte at a maximum
[23:25] <sn9> the wiki page on ubuntu on the aspireone has better suggestions than that
[23:26] <UbuntuNewb> how do I turn off the swap+
[23:27] <sn9> sudo swapoff -a
[23:27] <UbuntuNewb> I see now that it exceeds the swapsize I previously mentioned, it swaps ~200MB
[23:27] <sn9> but that's only until the next boot
[23:28] <UbuntuNewb> ok.
[23:28] <UbuntuNewb> openssh still installing
[23:29] <UbuntuNewb> it's not the fastest machine in the world. =)
[23:29] <UbuntuNewb> ok, done.
[23:30] <UbuntuNewb> is there a GUI to setup the ssh?
[23:30] <UbuntuNewb> the ssh server.
[23:30] <alkisg> No need to setup anything, really...
[23:30] <alkisg> You just put your username/password to filezilla, select sftp and copy the files
[23:31] <UbuntuNewb> but I have to set my user/password into the server somewhere don't I?
[23:31] <alkisg> It uses your account info
[23:31] <sn9> well, for remote access, don't forget to forward port 22
[23:31] <UbuntuNewb> aha. Cool!
[23:31] <UbuntuNewb> sweet
[23:32] <UbuntuNewb> Do I need a strong  password? I guess I do...
[23:37] <UbuntuNewb> thank you guys.. It's not really working right now... but that's probably due to my lousy router
[23:38] <alkisg> Yeah, you need the port forwarding that sn9 said
[23:38] <UbuntuNewb> I've forwarded the port 22 to my local machine
[23:38] <UbuntuNewb> still nothing.
[23:38] <alkisg> And sometimes the ISP blocks the ports < 1024, so you have to port forward from 8022 to 22 or something
[23:38] <UbuntuNewb> I had the same issue with the ftp server I tried earlier
[23:38] <UbuntuNewb> ah ok...
[23:39] <UbuntuNewb> trying that
[23:39] <UbuntuNewb> hmmm.. nope.
[23:39] <UbuntuNewb> I get a ping through with reply
[23:40] <UbuntuNewb> is it possible that the local firewall (firestarter) is blocking it?
[23:40] <sn9> yes
[23:41] <UbuntuNewb> ok... :s
[23:41] <UbuntuNewb> *stopping firewall
[23:41] <UbuntuNewb> still nothing...
[23:41] <UbuntuNewb> timeout is all I get on the client


[10:37] <thorwil> ivanka: aww, no worries. especially as i totally failed to take care about the design center thing since uds :)
[10:38] <thorwil> ivanka, vish: so what to do? extend the artwork team logo submission period until when?
[10:38] <ivanka> thorwil: thanks - I am hoping to get the survey going today - have to put handwritten notes into electronic format and take it from there
[10:39] <ivanka> thorwil: vish, I don't know
[10:39] <vish> thorwil: first we decide what we want to be, and then we decide how long to extend it..
[10:40] <thorwil> vish: i don't think "what do we want to be?" asked to the team will lead to any actionable result
[10:41] <vish> thorwil: not asking the team.. i meant wait for the survey results and then..
[10:42] <vish> thorwil: afaik, the survey is to give us a clue..
[10:56]  * thorwil sends mail, suggesting new deadline begin of february, for another evaluation
[11:02] <thorwil> regarding the BR thing, i'm pretty sure "logo oficial do Time de Arte Ubuntu BR" means official logo for the Ubuntu BR Artwork Team
[11:03] <thorwil> reminds me of the sad fact that there is no communication between various regional efforts and us
[11:11] <coz_> thorwil, simple enough logo
[11:12] <thorwil> coz_: hmm?
[11:13] <coz_> thorwil, the  ubuntu -br logo
[11:17] <vish> thorwil: there is nothing BR about it, we can just use it as well... ;)
[11:18] <vish> thorwil: but you have a wicked eye!, brush in the face! ;p
[17:56] <coz_> good day all
[17:56] <darkmatter> ello coz_
[17:56] <coz_> darkmatter,  hey guy :)
[18:04] <vish> thorwil: i think you just made powerful enemies ;p
[18:05] <vish> you extended the logo deadline, now baer will write to you more ;p
[18:06] <vish> enemy*
[18:40] <thorwil> vish: powerful?
[18:40] <vish> thorwil: and he'll also trivial edit wiki ;p
[18:41] <thorwil> guess what my wiki options say
[18:41] <vish> thorwil: i unsubscribed to the projects wiki..
[18:41] <vish> i was earlier subscribed to it and then :s
[18:43] <vish> thorwil: did you know about the plan for the final selection for the team logo ?
[18:43] <vish> his three options?
[18:43] <thorwil> vish: i saw them, but didn't know of any plan
[18:44] <vish> thorwil: hmm, this is the first time i heard about them.. very odd making someone else pick your shirt ;p
[18:44] <vish> your==team's
[18:44] <vish> especially since the team is the artwork team o.0
[18:45] <thorwil> vish: i just misunderstood you
[18:45] <thorwil> he mentioned the options earlier in private mail
[18:45] <vish> ah!
[18:46] <vish> i dont see any rationale in three of his options
[18:47] <vish> each has its flaws.. first two seem totally wrong, other's can suggest options, but i dont think the final decision must lie on them
[18:48] <vish> s/lie/rely
[18:48] <thorwil> vish: i disagree. first 2 would be sensible in case we could pick few candidates, where each would be acceptable to us
[18:49] <vish> thorwil: thats what i meant.. they can suggest the final options from where team chooses the one they want
[18:49] <thorwil> that's backwards from what i meant :)
[18:49] <vish> hmm, oh! :D
[18:51] <vish> thorwil: yea, and what's with the private mails.. he sent the mails for the logo to all my id's o.0
[18:51] <vish> my old mac_v id.. not sure where he found that, maybe in breathe …
[18:51] <thorwil> vish: frequency and content of his mails to me have been perfectly acceptable
[18:52] <thorwil> vish: well, tell him which single address you prefer ;)
[18:52] <vish> thorwil: yea, he has slowed down since last meeting..
[18:52] <thorwil> this whole circus is so damn silly
[18:52] <vish> exactly!!
[18:54] <thorwil> vish: on lo-marketing, i saw a whole bunch of people who all misunderstood my proposed vision/mission statement to somehow be about audience-facing communication and went on to propose slogans
[18:55] <vish> hehe! :)
[18:56] <thorwil> guess how even more valuable it is to see someone who applies my strategies in a meaningful way, thereby implying that he does a bit more than to understand what i'm about
[18:56] <thorwil> and then at the same time all these communication and sync hickups
[18:57] <vish> they should have had a separate ML, rather than marketing , i guess thats where the confusion starts..
[18:58] <thorwil> there is a design list
[18:58] <thorwil> but in theory, what i proposed there belongs to marketing, too
[18:58] <thorwil> just that the list seems to be full of people with a marketing->slogan shortcut in their head
[18:58] <vish> :)
[19:00] <thorwil> oh, and the definition of marketing that allows one guy to claim marketing would be about serving the customer/user ... delicious
[19:00] <thorwil> let's define everything as broad as possible and turn the meaning around 180° for maximal clarity
[19:01] <thorwil> more on topic, wonder what has to happen to see xubuntu wallpaper submissions that are not something blue on blue with a little blue
[19:03] <vish> heh, yea.. i hadnt even checked out the guidelines, so i'm not even sure the color i modified was the right blue ;p
[19:14] <hughbert> hello there anybody around?
[19:15] <hughbert> i want to know what do you think of my logo for ubuntu ireland:
[19:16] <hughbert> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1463311
[19:19] <hughbert> its looking like the lights are on but nobodys home....
[19:19] <thorwil> hi
[19:20] <thorwil> ugh, one thing i really don't like about the forum is having to be logged in to see attachments
[19:20] <hughbert> sorry about that...
[19:20] <hughbert> is there any good picture uplaoding site?
[19:22] <thorwil> foopics.com
[19:22] <thorwil> (for temporary things)
[19:22] <hughbert> cool thanks
[19:22] <hughbert> wait up a sec...
[19:24] <hughbert> well i ment a minute...
[19:25] <hughbert> http://www.foopics.com/show/0ed294a90e6e25e97f813b91b7a57b5e
[19:25] <thorwil> thanks
[19:25] <hughbert> no problem...
[19:26] <thorwil> hughbert: the knot idea has huge potential
[19:26] <thorwil> hughbert: i think you should leave the heads as circles, becomes too busy, otherwise
[19:26] <hughbert> really i went to my local Lug and they were like its a bit too OTT
[19:27] <hughbert> I dont agree though so....
[19:27] <hughbert> you like it anyway....
[19:27] <thorwil> well, i like the knots
[19:27] <hughbert> alright will do....
[19:28] <thorwil> hughbert: try to render the segments as rope. only
[19:28] <thorwil> that is, not inside another shape
[19:28] <hughbert> oo right...
[19:28] <hughbert> overlayed
[19:28] <hughbert> ??
[19:29] <thorwil> no, just single shapes, solid fill
[19:30] <hughbert> ooo i see....
[19:30] <hughbert> could you maybe change it there for me because my wacom is'nt working....
[19:31] <thorwil> hughbert: no
[19:31] <hughbert> thats fine
[19:32] <thorwil> hughbert: there's at least one long thread on the ubuntu forum regarding getting your wacom to work ...
[19:32] <hughbert> ill be getting a new one anyway soon
[19:32] <hughbert> i steped on it...
[19:32] <hughbert> so its fecked...
[19:32] <thorwil> hughbert: but later on, once you are sure about the geometry, the logo should be realized in svg, with inkscape
[19:33] <thorwil> ah ok, the forum thread can't help with things you stepped on :)
[19:33] <hughbert> ya that would look good alright i was thinking of doing that alright....
[19:34] <hughbert> can i count on this being half official?
[19:34] <thorwil> hughbert: this is not one bit official
[19:35] <hughbert> ha ha thats grand...
[19:35] <thorwil> hughbert: you will have to convince those in charge of the team that shall use it
[19:36] <thorwil> hughbert: i don't belong to the canonical design team, but it would make no difference if i did, because that's how it's being handled
[19:36] <thorwil> the teams decide themselves
[19:36] <hughbert> i see...
[19:36] <hughbert> i'd say that won't be too hard i got 802 views on ubuntu fourms...
[19:37] <thorwil> the number of views don't mean a thing
[19:37] <hughbert> thats grand... flip it anyway....
[19:37] <hughbert> i know the fella doing up the new site so its grand...
[19:38] <thorwil> sure, direct contact to those who do the work is key
[19:38] <hughbert> ya am where are you from by the by?
[19:39] <thorwil> germany
[19:39] <hughbert> o really cool...
[19:40] <thorwil> particularly now, when we got lots of snow
[19:41] <thorwil> hughbert: you are from ireland?
[19:42] <hughbert> any way i'd better be off im working on a poster for my local LUG
[19:42] <hughbert> If you want to take a look its: www.clarelug.blogspot.com
[19:43] <hughbert> ya born and bred...
[19:43] <thorwil> hughbert: he, take it easy on me, i'm not familiar with that slang :)
[19:44] <thorwil> hughbert: nm, now i get it
[19:45] <hughbert> in the west coast....
[19:45] <hughbert> ha ha ....
[19:45] <hughbert> sorry about that...
[19:45] <hughbert> ill try in and talk in good english...
[19:45] <hughbert> ha ha im still laughing..
[19:45] <hughbert> im on the floor...
[19:46] <thorwil> hughbert: lol, no actually at i first failed to see it was the answer to my question. so a problem of context, not so much the expression :)
[19:47] <thorwil> but glad to be entertaining :)
[19:47] <hughbert> you shoud come over sometime....
[19:47] <hughbert> ever been to ireland?
[19:48] <thorwil> nope
[19:48] <hughbert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Clare
[19:48] <hughbert> you should come over during the spring or summer...
[19:49] <hughbert> we have our own airport and everything....
[19:50] <thorwil> maybe some day ...
[19:50] <hughbert> your snowed in???
[19:50] <hughbert> we have only 3 cm of snow....
[19:51] <hughbert> but in the east they have 60cm its very bad over there....
[19:51] <thorwil> only few cm here too, it's just very early. as always, it gets worse to the south
[19:51] <hughbert> oo right....
[19:51] <thorwil> it's enough to mess up the traffic
[19:51] <hughbert> we're not used to it....
[19:52] <hughbert> its the worst in generations....
[19:53] <hughbert> anyway you can pop over anytime, your welcome to....
[19:53] <thorwil> thanks :)
[19:53] <hughbert> we might have a LUG meeting....
[19:54] <hughbert> Stallman came to Clare back in 2001 had a big drinking session....
[19:56] <hughbert> thanks for your help... good luck!!!
[19:56] <thorwil> np :)
[19:57] <hughbert> Gute Nacht!
[19:58] <thorwil> hughbert: good night to you, too!


[14:04] <mrmcq2u> hey
[14:09] <mrmcq2u> http://dribbble.com/shots/1054967-Michael-Dolej-s-Free-Colorful-Icons-Animated?list=searches&tag=animated_icons
[14:09] <mrmcq2u> any thoughts on animating icons like this?


[07:31] <|trey|> jacob: change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to state "exec /usr/bin/gdm"
[07:31] <whatzzz-upppp> |trey|: yes u are right
[07:31] <defendguin> anyone know how to get a laptop out of standby mode?
[07:31] <|trey|> defendguin: I've heard of it on other distro's too, so I wouldn't be so sure...
[07:31] <Treenaks> defendguin: press the standby button again?
[07:32] <whatzzz-upppp> |trey|: have u installed a current ubuntu iso?
[07:32] <|trey|> whatzzz-upppp: yes...
[07:32] <defendguin> Treenaks, i never put it in standby manually to begin with
[07:32] <|trey|> I wouldn't be in #ubuntu if I didn't have Ubuntu installed  :/
[07:32] <whatzzz-upppp> |trey|: does the wvdial works out of box?
[07:33] <|trey|> whatzzz-upppp: diap-up works, yes...
[07:33] <|trey|> not that I have it...
[07:33] <|trey|> Dial up sucks  :(
[07:33] <|trey|> as does DSL even  :(
[07:33] <whatzzz-upppp> |trey|: great. can u post me a list of required files to download for wvdial in ubuntu. i am not in ubuntu so i don't know what other files to get apart of wvdial?
[07:34] <|trey|> whatzzz-upppp: umm, it will work out of the box  :/
[07:34] <|trey|> whatzzz-upppp: pppconfig
[07:34] <|trey|> or pppoeconf
[07:35] <|trey|> depending on how high I am
[07:35] <|trey|> ppp = dial up, pppoe = dsl
[07:36] <|trey|> Point to Point Protocol (Over Ethernet)
[07:36] <whatzzz-upppp> |trey|: well, i want to install wvdial, but no luck as it requires me a package after another. well i know ppp. :) can i get a connection in internet without wvdial in ubuntu?
[07:37] <|trey|> whatzzz-upppp: yes
[07:37] <whatzzz-upppp> with pppconfig?
[07:37] <Treenaks> defendguin: then press the power button once
[07:37] <|trey|> whatzzz-upppp: umm, actually... wvdial is installed by default...
[07:38] <whatzzz-upppp> no it is not at the default release
[07:38] <|trey|> whatzzz-upppp: its installed here, and I certainly didn't install it manually...
[07:39] <whatzzz-upppp> |trey|: am i blind? i am checking the ubuntu cd now!
[07:39] <|trey|> whatzzz-upppp: guess so
[07:39] <|trey|> whatzzz-upppp: put that cd in the drive...
[07:41] <|trey|> Did "somebod1" ever tell me the error from X's logs?
[07:42] <polo> hey fellows, great job on Ubuntu. I think it is the best distro I have ever used.
[07:43] <whatzzz-upppp> |trey|: thanks God I am not blind
[07:43] <whatzzz-upppp> |trey|: there is no wvdial on the cd
[07:44] <whatzzz-upppp> |trey|: i can give you the package list, but that is not important as i want to install it on my computer
[07:44] <|trey|> whatzzz-upppp: bet you $450974386573767569547 there is.
[07:44] <whatzzz-upppp> |trey|: LOL
[07:44] <bborkk> Does anyone have information about getting sleep and/or suspend working on a T42p?  The Hardware Support page indicates there is no problem, but I can't get it to work.  I already upgraded the kernel to <IP_ADDRESS>-13.  Any ideas?
[07:45] <|trey|> whatzzz-upppp: what about this don't you understand? I installed Ubuntu about 2 hours ago... can remember everything I have installed myself... wvdial is installed.
[07:46] <|trey|> I didn't install wvdial, I have no use for it.
[07:46] <|trey|> Only conclusion being it was installed when I installed Ubuntu.
[07:46] <Kamion> whatzzz-upppp: wvdial may not have been on your CD; it was a recent addition
[07:47] <Kamion> |trey|: lighten up, he's probably got the preview CD, which indeed did not have wvdial
[07:47] <axe9> Can I use CD ripped to convert mp3s to CDA?
[07:47] <whatzzz-upppp> Kamion: thanks man
[07:47] <|trey|> Kamion: I have the preview CD, burned the day Ubuntu was announced...
[07:47] <whatzzz-upppp> Kamion: u r right i have the preview cd. is there any other release?
[07:47] <|trey|> Kamion: granted I don't get the packages from the CD though...
[07:48] <Kamion> whatzzz-upppp: Sounder CD 9 was the last milestone release; search the ubuntu-users mailing list for the URL.
[07:48] <|trey|> whatzzz-upppp: during installer... select "download packages from internet" and say yes
[07:49] <swim> eh llo
[07:49] <whatzzz-upppp> |trey|: i don't want to make this wvdial a big thing man, but how can i donwload a package if i don't configure the modem and establish a connection ?
[07:50] <|trey|> Installer doesn't configure?
[07:50] <whatzzz-upppp> |trey|: it didn't in my computer
[07:50] <|trey|> That sucks  :/
[07:50] <Kamion> we turned that off
[07:51] <whatzzz-upppp> Kamion: is Sounder cd 9 more stable than the preview?
[07:51] <|trey|> whatzzz-upppp: presumably... has some bug fixes etc...
[07:51] <Kamion> whatzzz-upppp: should be at least as good
[07:52] <|trey|> whatzzz-upppp: Sounder = devel snapshot.
[07:52] <|trey|> The preview release was a snapshot also.
[07:52] <Kamion> (but a manually vetted development snapshot)
[07:52] <whatzzz-upppp> oh cool. No other distro has suprised me as much as ubuntu. Any ubuntu control center in the future or just gnome control center?
[07:53] <|trey|> Kamion: yes... the stuff devel's play with is just asking for trouble  ;)
[07:53] <|trey|> whatzzz-upppp: hopefully more tools for gnome-system-tools
[07:55] <Iorek> odd. xmms doesn't want to run
[07:55] <|trey|> Although thats newly merged in 2.8, been around for a while though... some ok tooks
[07:55] <|trey|> Iorek: XMMS sucks, use Rhythmbox
[07:55] <|trey|> s/tooks/tools
[07:55] <Iorek> yeah but rhythmbox botches half of my mp3's tags, and misjudges the other half's length
[07:56] <|trey|> (Red Hat/Fedora and SUSE are both defualting to HelixPlayer now)
[07:56] <Iorek> Suse uses Kafeine...that's Xine I believe
[07:57] <|trey|> Iorek: umm, 9.2 doesn't
[07:57] <|trey|> Not by default...
[07:57] <Iorek> 9.2 isn't out yet :P
[07:57] <Iorek> so it doesn't count :P
[07:57] <socomm> Red Hat ~= Fedora
[07:57] <|trey|> Iorek: might as well be...
[07:57] <socomm> :^/
[07:57] <sri> woo..it's comin together baby..yeeha
[07:58] <punkass__> defendguin: u got that newer icon?
[07:58] <|trey|> socomm: umm, hence not being seperated by an "and"...
[07:58] <Iorek> if xmms was anything like winamp 5 I'd use it :)
[07:58] <Iorek> playlist handling!
[07:59] <Iorek> :)
[07:59] <socomm> |trey|, could you give other examples. Other than RH/FC?
[07:59] <|trey|> If everyone works on the same things, it gets done faster  :)
[07:59] <Iorek> but all those apps have had problems with importing large playlists
[07:59] <|trey|> socomm: Novell and Red Hat signed a deal with Real to include HelixPlayer as the default Video player in their products.
[07:59] <socomm> Isn't winamp 5 sucky?
[07:59] <Iorek> nah
[08:00] <|trey|> socomm: no one cares about Winamp
[08:00] <Iorek> not in my experience
[08:00] <Iorek> I do :P
[08:00] <socomm> |trey|, Iorek does, apparenlty.
[08:00] <Iorek> yes, yes I do :)
[08:00] <|trey|> socomm: so take it to #winamplovers
[08:00] <socomm> |trey|, try to keep up. K thnx bye.
[08:00] <|trey|> Its OT...
[08:00] <Iorek> sorry, but in my not very humble opinion, no linux app even comes close
[08:01] <|trey|> Iorek: Zinf and Rhythmbox
[08:01] <|trey|> Both a lot better
[08:01] <Iorek> nah, just tried Zinf, it imported the tags of the first 500 mp3s, and then all the other 2500 were blank
[08:01] <Iorek> not very useful
[08:01] <|trey|> Winamp 5 = AOL trying to imitate Zinf.
[08:02] <Iorek> at least it imported the files right ;)
[08:02] <anders> the grub background at http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuArtwork doesn't work
[08:02] <|trey|> Iorek: Rhythmbox is designed for that kinda volume of audio files...
[08:03] <Iorek> trey it crashed like 20 times before all the files were imported :)
[08:03] <anders> to many colors, grub displays max 14 colors I think
[08:03] <Iorek> anders ummm...it's an image. How can it not work?
[08:03] <|trey|> Rhythmbox's View >> Small Display is nice.
[08:05] <socomm> Yikes, zinf is the uglies piece of crap I've seen so far.
[08:05] <anders> it's a 24 bit rgb xpm.gz, grub need 14 color indexed xpm.gz
[08:05] <socomm> Iorek, maybe GNOME doesn't support that file format.
[08:05] <swim> how do I log out of x ? staying in console only? init 2 isnt it?
[08:06] <Iorek> :)
[08:06] <|trey|> swim: no...
[08:06] <|trey|> swim: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:06] <Iorek> don't know WHAT I did, but suddenly Zinf works...
[08:07] <|trey|> swim: on Debian, 2-5 are the same...
[08:08] <|trey|> Rhythmbox > Zinf > Winamp > XMMS
[08:08] <Livewire> Ok got my Ubuntu online... Did a "Smart Update" and downloaded loads of updates... but i think its just changed core software.. where can i get XMMS?
[08:08] <Iorek> Winamp > iTunes > juk > Rhythmbox ;)
[08:08] <|trey|> Rhythmbox ~= iTunes (and -will- have support for iTunes)
[08:09] <|trey|> Iorek: Juk doesn't even support pls. Useless
[08:09] <Livewire> does Rhythmbox have FLAC support built in?
[08:09] <|trey|> yes
[08:09] <|trey|> via gstreamer
[08:09] <enki> hey i really hate to be a drag...but is there any talk of having, in a future release, a meta-package that installs all of the developer tools?
[08:09] <Kamion> build-essential?
[08:09] <|trey|> enki: apt-get install build-essentials
[08:10] <enki> well ok thats neat
[08:10] <enki> but something from the synaptic package manager
[08:10] <defendguin> :((
[08:10] <|trey|> enki: yes... yes it is...
[08:10] <enki> or is it in there?
[08:10] <Kamion> it is
[08:10] <|trey|> enki: its there
[08:10] <enki> well...far frickin out!
[08:10] <Kamion> just installs gcc, libc6-dev, package development tools
[08:10] <vrln> Livewire: sudo apt-get install xmms
[08:10] <defendguin> sometimes when i try to boot it just hangs during boot :(
[08:10] <Kamion> not all *-dev packages because that would be nuts. :)
[08:10] <|trey|> enki: auto-apt is usefull also  (auto-apt search libsomething.so is a useful usage for instance)
[08:11] <|trey|> vrln: XMMS should not be recommended.
[08:11] <enki> guess i shouldntve avoided debian all these years, heh
[08:12] <enki> always more of a slackware/gentoo type myself
[08:12] <|trey|> enki: Debian user of 3 years  :)
[08:12] <|trey|> enki: both = you have too much time on your hands...
[08:12] <enki> yes. far too much...
[08:13] <|trey|> enki: look for more constuctive ways to use it now... like actually learning to use software...
[08:13] <|trey|> Pointless spending it all configuring and installing... you learn nothing from that...
[08:13] <enki> hmm. perhaps.
[08:13] <socomm> enki, debians is all right.
[08:13] <enki> of course, i see my time learning some manners was well spent, though.
[08:14] <|trey|> Typing emerge somepkg doesn't make you smart... it just means you are a gluton for punishment...
[08:14] <enki> well, thank you for your sermon trey
[08:14] <|trey|> enki: debconf is your new bestest friend  :)
[08:14] <enki> im sorry i havent read all the manuals, i apologize.
[08:14] <enki> for offending you.
[08:14] <enki> im sorry, for asking questions when i dont have all the answers
[08:15] <|trey|> enki: I am not attacking you, don't take it as such.
[08:15] <vrln> |trey|: I don't see anything wrong with xmms, it's light, works well and looks good :/ I've tried almost all *nix media players xmms is still my favourite by far
[08:15] <vrln> and besides, I wasn't recommending it, he asked where he could get it
[08:15] <|trey|> vrln: looks good is an opinion, not a fact
[08:15] <Iorek> I CLOSED zinf and it's still playing :P
[08:16] <enki> just a stern talkingt-to?
[08:16] <|trey|> To me, it looks amature
[08:17] <|trey|> Skinned interfaces take away from desktop cohesiveness
[08:17] <vrln> it's a question of opinion of course, it's good that there are many different players so there's a choice
[08:17] <|trey|> +rhythmbox uses gstreamer... which is rather nice  :)
[08:18] <socomm> enki, don't mind |trey| s/he is on some holier than thou trip.
[08:18] <stianh> is it possible to contribute packages, and if so how? is there a faq on this?
[08:18] <enki> hmm. well, fair nuff.
[08:18] <|trey|> stianh: you have to be a maintainer to contribute packages.
[08:18] <stianh> ok
[08:19] <|trey|> socomm: hah... no... just recommending the better technology.
[08:19] <socomm> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate
[08:19] <mir> What is the best way to install realplayer in Ubuntu ?
[08:19] <Kamion> try not to slag off the competition too much, though; it just pisses people off, and we can learn things from them
[08:19] <|trey|> stianh: the site gives you information about how to take part....
[08:20] <socomm> Mir, http://www.real.com/player/?src=realplayer
[08:20] <|trey|> socomm: they don't offer a .dev
[08:20] <|trey|> deb
[08:20] <socomm> Download reaplyer and runthe script.
[08:21] <|trey|> not recommended to go that route
[08:21] <socomm> s/reaplyer/realplayer
[08:21] <|trey|> mir: google for "helixplayer .deb"
[08:21] <|trey|> or "realplayer .deb", has more codecs of course...
[08:22] <|trey|> Harder to manage if you don't use a .deb
[08:22] <stianh> |trey| found info now, just needed to look a little harder :)
[08:23] <|trey|> stianh: :)
[08:23] <|trey|> Plus a .deb will be modified to fit the Debian FS stucture...
[08:24] <tom_cat> hello, how to add new fonts in Ubuntu ?
[08:24] <|trey|> tom_cat: put them in /usr/share/fonts
[08:26] <tom_cat> |trey|: and then ? what to do next ?
[08:26] <|trey|> tom_cat: should just work  :/
[08:27] <tom_cat> |trey|:  really ? thanks !
[08:28] <rm> Ubuntu - Another distro name in my language( first one was impi linux) but not in my language
[08:28] <|trey|> tom_cat: the joys of defoma (DEbian FOnt MAnager)
[08:30] <swim> hi, Im trying to install nvidia x86_64 driver (from nvidia.com) it needs to compile it, and when it tries, it says it wasnt able to find the kernel source tree... help?
[08:31] <|trey|> swim: apt-get install linux-headers-<uname -r>
[08:31] <swim> ok thank you |trey|
[08:32] <siretart> hi. does the ubuntu installer support installaing on crypted filesystems?
[08:33] <nasdaq4088> zulu linux
[08:33] <swim> hmm |trey|  it returned: couldnt find package linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-amd64-generic
[08:34] <Kamion> siretart: sorry, not yet
[08:34] <Kamion> siretart: it's apparently a goal in Debian for partman, may happen eventually
[08:34] <MGS> wheeee burning ubuntu to a disc
[08:34] <Treenaks> Kamion: that'd be cool on my new VIA chip :) it has on-die AES
[08:35] <Astinus> Anyone tell me about Ubuntu and Reiser v4 support please?  Currently implemented, planned or what?
[08:35] <|trey|> swim: I'm not on amd64... synaptic tells you the packages though... Development
[08:35] <Kamion> Astinus: not in our kernels yet
[08:35] <socomm> Astinus, implemented as far as I know.
[08:35] <Treenaks> socomm: that's reiser3
[08:35] <Astinus> Two people with different answers! HELP!
[08:35] <socomm> Stand corrected.
[08:35] <|trey|> Astinus: implemented support, have fun with it...
[08:35] <WW_> Is it normal for there to be symlinks in / to the files initrd.img, initrd.img.old, vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old in /boot?
[08:36] <Astinus> Okay, so there's support and we just need the correct tools through apt?
[08:36] <socomm> Astinus, kamion is correct.
[08:36] <Astinus> What about trey?
[08:36] <Kamion> |trey|: reiserfs is, reiser4 isn't.
[08:36] <EY> hello
[08:36] <Astinus> Ahhhhh
[08:36] <siretart> Kamion: i'm considering ubuntu as main os for my laptop, but definitly want to install on a crypto os. i think this could be an important feature to many laptop users. is this already discussed or even an release goal for hoary?
[08:36] <|trey|> Kamion: I thought 2.6.8 has reiser4?
[08:36] <EY> i am trying to install ubuntu on my amd64 with sata
[08:36] <Astinus> Kamion: Any ideas on a date when we might get reiserv4 support in the kernel?
[08:36] <Treenaks> siretart: you can do it "afterwards"
[08:37] <EY> it correctly loads the sata_nv driver, but does not give me any partition to configure
[08:37] <Kamion> siretart: don't think it's been discussed particularly, probably has to happen in Debian TBH
[08:37] <socomm> Astinus, you can always compile your kernel.
[08:37] <EY> any ideas?
[08:37] <Kamion> |trey|: well, I don't see a reiser4 module
[08:37] <MGS> w00t, loading up linux now
[08:37] <Treenaks> siretart: it should be quite easy to do actually, if you know the debian installer internals
[08:38] <Kamion> Astinus: not really my field, don't know for sure
[08:38] <|trey|> MGS: we don't need running commentary, we've seen it before  :)
[08:38] <MGS> hehe sorry
[08:38] <EY> hello
[08:38] <socomm> Hehe 'w00t'
[08:38] <MGS> im just excited
[08:38] <Kamion> it'd be relatively trivial to add to partman once it's in the kernel
[08:38] <EY> anyone seen my problem?
[08:38] <vrln> |trey|: thanks for mentioning zinf btw, I had never heard of it... looks promising, compiling it right now
[08:38] <Astinus> Kamion: Not many distributions have support, just wondered when the elite ubuntu might add it ;)
[08:38] <MGS> cuz this is my first real linux install
[08:38] <|trey|> vrln: :)
[08:38] <Astinus> Kamion: Never hurts to beat the rush.
[08:38] <siretart> Treenaks: how would you do that?
[08:38] <Treenaks> siretart: uh
[08:38] <Kamion> Astinus: with a six-monthly release cycle it's relatively easy to beat a lot of rushes. :)
[08:39] <Treenaks> siretart: which tools to you need to set up a dmcrypt device?
[08:39] <|trey|> Kamion: wassa?
[08:39] <MGS> its installing, but it stopped. is that normal?
[08:39] <Astinus> Oooh, other question:  any idea if Ubuntu will ever get SKAS3 included to the default kernel?
[08:39] <EY> anyone knows how to install ubuntu on an amd64 with a sata drive?
[08:40] <siretart> Treenaks: well, actually i have not been looking at cryptotools yet, but hoped ubuntu would do that for me ;)
[08:40] <|trey|> MGS: define "stopped"... it it "stops" for too long, thats bad  ;)
[08:40] <Treenaks> siretart: it is possible.. using the devicemanager setup tools and an alternative console (I think...)
[08:40] <MGS> well
[08:40] <MGS> its been sitting there
[08:40] <MGS> for a while
[08:40] <Kamion> |trey|: used in cheap Texas Instruments network cards and others; requires firmware
[08:40] <MGS> like
[08:40] <Treenaks> siretart: you shuold at least use a separate partition
[08:40] <MGS> it says ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326
[08:40] <goatboy> EY: it just worked for me.
[08:40] <MGS> and under that
[08:40] <MGS> a blinking cursor
[08:40] <MGS> and its not movie
[08:40] <MGS> (moving
[08:40] <MGS> woops
[08:40] <EY> goatboy, what cipset have you got sata?
[08:40] <goatboy> via
[08:40] <|trey|> MGS: arg... acpi=off
[08:41] <EY> ah, ok, i've got an nvidia s3
[08:41] <Kamion> EY: should just work, if it doesn't please send me 'lspci' and 'lspci -n' output from a working system (if you don't have a working system, send 'cut -f1,2 /proc/bus/pci/devices' from the installer)
[08:41] <Treenaks> siretart: basically, it's possible but Hard
[08:41] <socomm> MGS, how old are you?
[08:41] <siretart> Treenaks: well, for crypto root you would need a prepared initrd, which could display a nice ubuntu branded password prompt and so ;)
[08:41] <Kamion> EY: make sure you're using a current daily, not the preview
[08:41] <WW_> Anybody know... ?  (see my q above)
[08:41] <MGS> socomm 14
[08:41] <MGS> damn invision
[08:41] <socomm> MGS, all right.
[08:41] <Kamion> EY: ah, just scrolled up to find it correctly detected sata_nv, so ignore me
[08:41] <MGS> im also new to this
[08:41] <Treenaks> siretart: oh, you can't have your initrd on crypto of course
[08:41] <Treenaks> siretart: :)
[08:41] <MGS> but i dont know what to do from here
[08:42] <|trey|> MGS: wow, thats young... you have permission to be installing OS's?
[08:42] <EY> arrrgh, my cd burner is toast, i can't burn a new copy :-(
[08:42] <Kamion> MGS: if you could turn off colour that'd be good, thanks. :)
[08:42] <MGS> its my comp
[08:42] <MGS> i dont know how
[08:42] <|trey|> ok... just making sure   :)
[08:42] <MGS> its invision
[08:42] <MGS> im still on a windows box
[08:42] <siretart> Tresnar: i didn't speek of /boot, just / ;)
[08:42] <socomm> Kamion, what irc client are you using?
[08:42] <Kamion> socomm: irssi
[08:42] <Astinus> siretart: How much overhead are you talking to encrypt the whole filesystem with 128bit AES?
[08:42] <socomm> All right.
[08:42] <siretart> s/Tresnar/Treenaks/
[08:42] <swim> |trey|, what package did you say I needed again to be able to compile the nvidia driver?
[08:42] <EY> Kamion, mine does too, but it does not give me any partition to configure, it just ask me to configure raid and LVM
[08:43] <MGS> did anyone else here have their install freeze on them?
[08:43] <Treenaks> Astinus: cryptsetup is available.. and it LOOKS like you can setup crypto on already-filled partitions
[08:43] <Kamion> EY: which image, preview or more recent?
[08:43] <Astinus> MGS:  No. You using a release or a daily snapshot?
[08:43] <socomm> swim, you just need the kernel source.
[08:43] <siretart> Astinus: as said, i didnt measure that yet. have you?
[08:43] <MGS> ummm release i think
[08:43] <goatboy> swim: kernel-headers-`uname -r`
[08:43] <Astinus> Siretart: I've had a seperate (non-root) filesystem running before now, adds about a 40% overhead
[08:43] <MGS> its this
[08:43] <MGS> warty-i386.iso
[08:43] <merriam> MGS: flash the bios?
[08:43] <|trey|> Kamion: irssi is nice... but gnome-terminal + irssi takes up more mem then xchat, and switching from VT1-6 and X results in wierd colors at top of screen...
[08:43] <EY> preview
[08:44] <Kamion> MGS: that's not enough to distinguish I'm afraid
[08:44] <EY> Kamion, preview
[08:44] <MGS> oh
[08:44] <Astinus> MGS: Where'd you download it from?
[08:44] <MGS> where can i get a full release then?
[08:44] <siretart> Astinus: have you also tried faster algorithms like Serpent?
[08:44] <Astinus> siretart: Not yet :P
[08:44] <MGS> lemme get the website
[08:44] <|trey|> merriam: he's a 14 yo without too much knowledge it would seem... don't tell him that!!
[08:44] <anders> silly me had misspelled in menu.lst , grub background working now :)
[08:44] <MGS> lol
[08:44] <Astinus> siretart: Want to encrypt a secondary 60GB disk with 256bit or higher, preferably with an overhead around 15%
[08:44] <|trey|> merriam: afaict, he hasn't even rebooted, thats how knowledgable he is   :/
[08:44] <EY> any idea?
[08:44] <Treenaks> siretart: you should try AES with hardware-accelerated crypto on a VIA C3 CPU :)
[08:45] <Treenaks> siretart: THAT is cool :)
[08:45] <Astinus> Treenaks: Chipset?
[08:45] <MGS> hmm i dont seem to have the website
[08:45] <MGS> :(
[08:45] <Kamion> |trey|: dude, one of the current Debian webmasters joined Debian when he was 14 and was one of our most productive developers for a long time; age often isn't that relevant
[08:45] <Treenaks> Astinus: no, it's on the new C3 CPUs (PadLock, on most 1.2GHz chips)
[08:45] <Astinus> Cool
[08:45] <Treenaks> Astinus: so EPIA MS-12000 etc.
[08:45] <Kamion> EY: if you manage to get a new CD and can still reproduce it with that, a bug report would be good
[08:46] <Astinus> I'm stuck with software crypto for now :P
[08:46] <|trey|> Kamion: there are brilliant youth... I am not much older myself... just taking into account his comments  ;)
[08:46] <Treenaks> Astinus: don't know how to set it up, sorry
[08:46] <EY> no cd :-(
[08:46] <swim> socomm, goatboy are you saying that kernel-headers is the same as the kernel source?
[08:46] <MGS> can someone here give me a website to get a new iso file for ubuntu?
[08:46] <Kamion> EY: even if not, a bug report might be of use anyway
[08:46] <Astinus> MGS:  There's a wonderful tool called Google. Many a student has finished their project faster using this.
[08:46] <EY> ok, i'll try it
[08:46] <Kamion> |trey|: you're still being harsh - everyone has to start somewhere.
[08:46] <EY> normally should the silicon image xx be enabled in the bios?
[08:46] <hazmat> Astinus, same applies to crypto loopback fs
[08:46] <goatboy> swim: no, but you don't need the full kernel source to build drivers.
[08:46] <goatboy> swim: just the headers.
[08:47] <|trey|> Kamion: my appologies... wasn't meant to be mean... didn't state his name so its less likely he saw  :/
[08:47] <|trey|> Kamion: advising direction for help rather then being mean  :/
[08:47] <swim> ok thx
[08:47] <hazmat> goatboy, depensd on the driver.
[08:47] <Astinus> Trey: Promise me you guys (and gals) will never get as bitter, twisted and cynical as #Debian
[08:47] <siretart> Treenaks: nice idea, but i think for the time being my thinkpad has to suffice ;)
[08:47] <goatboy> hazmat: he's building the nvidia driver.
[08:47] <MGS> i asked here rather then search google astinius, because i figure people here could probably give me better answers
[08:48] <Kamion> Astinus: we (the developers) are trying to keep this channel reasonably moderated; it's a full-time job on its own sometimes :)
[08:48] <Astinus> Well if you put Ubuntu into Google, it usually shows the Ubuntu homepage
[08:48] <|trey|> Astinus: ahh, see #debian might have rubbed off on me... but yeah, I kinda hope the same thing  :)
[08:48] <Astinus> Which is, suprisingly enough, an amazing place to get the ISO for Ubuntu!
[08:48] <Astinus> Kamion: Well if you ever need help, I'm sure you could ask ;)
[08:48] <MGS> crap
[08:48] <MGS> this is where i got it from
[08:48] <MGS> ubuntolinux.org
[08:48] <MGS> and thats the homepage
[08:49] <MGS> yet it doesnt work
[08:49] <Astinus> I started out first using Debian 2.0 a long time ago, when it wasn't so bloody bitter.
[08:49] <swim> ok it seems that the kernel-headers are already installed, (I dont know if they are the right ones or not...) but synaptic shows that: linux-kernel-headers are installed, but when I try to compile the nvidia driver using the nvidia.com x86_64 driver installer it says that the it cant find the kernel source tree... ??
[08:49] <Astinus> MGS: It does work, I just grabbed today's daily build from a link found on the homepage.
[08:49] <spiv> MGS: You mean ubunt*u*linux.org?
[08:49] <|trey|> MGS: no, ubuntulinux.org
[08:49] <MGS> sorry
[08:49] <MGS> i mispelled
[08:49] <MGS> i got the file from this site
[08:49] <MGS> http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/warty/preview/
[08:49] <goatboy> swim: you want linux-headers-`uname -r`, not linux-kernel-headers.
[08:49] <MGS> but
[08:49] <MGS> theres several releases
[08:50] <MGS> which one should i get?
[08:50] <|trey|> MGS: just for shits and gigles, have you rebooted on to the CD yet? It won't autorun.
[08:50] <Astinus> Hmm, do you understand the terms RTFM and RTFW?
[08:50] <|trey|> Astinus: stfu
[08:50] <MGS> it does autorun
[08:50] <goatboy> swim: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:50] <Astinus> lmao
[08:50] <|trey|> MGS: reboot
[08:50] <Astinus> lmao
[08:50] <Astinus> autorun :P
[08:50] <MGS> i already have
[08:50] <Astinus> and?
[08:50] <MGS> didnt work
[08:50] <Astinus> What error message?
[08:51] <MGS> none
[08:51] <MGS> but
[08:51] <|trey|> MGS: BIOS needs to be set to boot from CD.
[08:51] <MGS> it wont go
[08:51] <swim> goatboy synaptic doesnt seem to have that
[08:51] <spiv> MGS: That site only has the initial public preview release... you're probably better off with the current daily snapshot.
[08:51] <MGS> it does trey
[08:51] <Astinus> BIOS needs to be set to boot from CD, and you need to burn the CD correctly :P
[08:51] <|trey|> MGS: what did you see on screen when it "stopped"?
[08:51] <MGS> it stopped right after
[08:52] <|trey|> MGS: also, just for kicks... tell me if you more then one file on the CD
[08:52] <MGS> ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326
[08:52] <MGS> trey im not stupid
[08:52] <MGS> no i didnt
[08:52] <|trey|> MGS: did you try again after turning off acpi?
[08:52] <Astinus> MGS: Ever used Linux before?
[08:52] <goatboy> swim: `uname -r` expands to the kernel version you're running.
[08:52] <spiv> |trey|, Astinus: Give MGS a little more credit.  Sheesh.
[08:52] <MGS> no astinux
[08:52] <MGS> err yeah
[08:52] <MGS> astinus
[08:52] <Astinus> In which case I strongly advise against anything Debian based :P Its just not newbie friendly
[08:52] <|trey|> spiv: I told him what he needs to do about 10 mins ago... still hasn't done it...
[08:53] <MGS> i dont know how to turn off acpi
[08:53] <swim> goatboy right but searching for linux-headers in synaptic returned nothing...
[08:53] <MGS> i dont even know what that is
[08:53] <Astinus> MGS:   Ubuntu is a debian derivative.
[08:53] <Astinus> Debian = very not newbie friendly.
[08:53] <|trey|> Astinus: stfu, thats the point of Ubuntu... bring Debian to the mass market.
[08:53] <Astinus> lol
[08:53] <Astinus> In which case Ubuntu needs a more "Knoppix" like hardware detection system
[08:54] <Astinus> It hates my graphics card for a start!
[08:54] <|trey|> Debian is pleanty friendly... except you have to think logically.
[08:54] <MGS> oh
[08:54] <Astinus> Trey: true.
[08:54] <Astinus> Trey: Although if you want prissy graphics (aka: Windows) and easy install, you need Mandrake/Fedora/SuSE
[08:54] <|trey|> Debian is userfriendly, its just picky about who its friends are  :)
[08:54] <goatboy> swim: what do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[08:55] <|trey|> Astinus: blah... Mandrakes installer is the worst installer I have ever seen.
[08:55] <|trey|> Astinus: Its moronic.
[08:55] <Astinus> Fedora works well on most systems, including laptops to its credit.
[08:55] <Astinus> However, it is made by the great satan.
[08:55] <Kamion> MGS: try typing 'linux acpi=off' at the boot prompt
[08:55] <j^> is there a usb-media installer for umbuntu?
[08:55] <|trey|> Astinus: blah... Red Hat is hardly a satan
[08:55] <MGS> ok
[08:56] <spiv> MGS: you need to pass some kernel parameters at the boot prompt. -- like Kamion just said :)
[08:56] <|trey|> Kamion: I told him to do that about 25 mins ago now, he doesn't listen  :(
[08:56] <Kamion> j^: not yet I'm afraid, I was hoping to do one before warty but am rapidly running out of time
[08:56] <Astinus> Naw, I suppose Microsoft is the "great satanic being", but Red Hat is just gates' corporate demonic poodle
[08:56] <swim> goatboy, I just installed ubuntu btw... but it seems that file has nothing uncommented... all the sources are comented
[08:56] <housetier> #oswar
[08:57] <Kamion> |trey|: need to be very clear for people who aren't familiar with the system; you just said "acpi=off" and I can understand people not knowing what to do with that
[08:57] <|trey|> housetier: thankyou  :)
[08:57] <Astinus> Anyway, I'm out for like 30 minutes - talk to you all later.
[08:57] <MGS> Kamion, thank you. now the installer work
[08:57] <Kamion> MGS: cool
[08:57] <j^> Kamion what about a floppy?
[08:57] <goatboy> swim: odd. put this in /etc/apt/sources.list:
[08:57] <|trey|> Kamion: yes, my mistake again... but he hasn't even gone to try it yet either way  :/
[08:57] <goatboy> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[08:57] <Kamion> |trey|: he just has. wasn't that much easier than abusing people?
[08:57] <Kamion> j^: nor that
[08:57] <mir> Anyone knows how to uninstall Realplayer 10 ?.
[08:57] <|trey|> Kamion: Who'd I abuse?
[08:57] <Kamion> j^: CD or netboot only, I'm afraid
[08:58] <goatboy> swim: then click reload in synaptic.
[08:59] <EY> that did not work
[08:59] <EY> is there a way to install ubuntu from floppy?
[08:59] <j^> Kamion how would netboot work?
[08:59] <Kamion> |trey|: I'll leave that for the peanut gallery. :-)
[08:59] <|trey|> mir: install it via .deb?
[08:59] <j^> i have an x40 but only external cd drives that would not boot.
[08:59] <housetier> EY you do have a cdrom drive?
[08:59] <EY> yes
[08:59] <Kamion> j^: e.g. PXE boot
[09:00] <j^> Kamion  its there some warty howto
[09:00] <EY> housetier, yes
[09:00] <housetier> EY, there is smart boot manager, search for that, put it on the floppy, put the iso on the cd and boot
[09:00] <mir> |trey|: I Installed the bin file
[09:00] <Kamion> j^: there will be once I get time out from fixing bugs to finish porting the sarge documentation :)
[09:00] <housetier> EY then have it boot the CD
[09:00] <mir> |trey|: Of version 10
[09:00] <EY> that's the thing i don't have a cd burner right now :-(
[09:00] <|trey|> mir: Did I say not to do that?
[09:01] <EY> I was thinking of extracting the iso to a partition and then boot from floppy instal from there
[09:01] <j^> Kamion ok than i have to google for the sarge docu
[09:01] <mir> |trey|: Hmm.. not what I read..
[09:01] <|trey|> mir: oh well, I don't know how to remove a .bin installer, sorry.
[09:01] <mir> |trey|: But I don't want it.. so anyone knows how to remove it? :-)
[09:01] <housetier> EY, I see your problem now... do you have friends with a burner?
[09:01] <EY> yes, but not at 8pm :-)
[09:01] <swim> goatboy ok, it seems that there are only headers for <IP_ADDRESS>-3 amd64,  my uname -r reveals <IP_ADDRESS>-2 amd 64, should I then upgrade to <IP_ADDRESS>-3 ?
[09:02] <goatboy> swim: yes, upgrade.
[09:02] <swim> goatboy, in synaptic how do I do that?
[09:02] <goatboy> swim: search for linux-image
[09:02] <j^> Kamion can i boot an from an iso image on another pc?
[09:02] <|trey|> swim: mark all upgrades  then apply
[09:02] <EY> short of opening the casing, connect the hard disk to the ide instead of the sata, is there a way of disabling sata so that ubuntu will at least install?
[09:04] <Kamion> j^: doesn't quite work that way; you put a kernel and an initrd somewhere that a TFTP server can see them and boot from those ... it's not particularly for the faint of heart
[09:04] <swim> |trey|,  that doesnt seem to select the linux image for upgrade
[09:04] <|trey|> eh, actually, most people don't have linux-headers-2.6-$ARCH installed  :(
[09:05] <j^> Kamion but using the initrd +kernel from warty-i386.iso it might work?
[09:05] <|trey|> swim: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-amd64 (I think) for it to upgrade when new versions of 2.6 are installed...
[09:05] <merriam> j^: you can boot from a floppy, then chroot into a remote cd image
[09:06] <j^> marriam, the X40 does not have a floppy drive.
[09:06] <merriam> ah
[09:06] <|trey|> when new versions of 2.6 are uploaded*
[09:06] <Telep> mm, pizza
[09:08] <Kamion> j^: the netboot images are in /install/netboot/ on the CD
[09:10] <MGS> kamion should it have stopped after it said it was booting kernel?
[09:10] <Kamion> MGS: no ...
[09:10] <MGS> darn it
[09:10] <Kamion> (I have to go now, sorry)
[09:10] <MGS> hmm i dont like this
[09:10] <MGS> heh
[09:11] <ions|ubuntu> anyone here have Java working with Firefox?
[09:17] <WW_> Sorry for asking the same old boring question, but: Is it normal for there to be symlinks in / to the files initrd.img, initrd.img.old, vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old in /boot?
[09:18] <swim> anyone installed the latest nvidia driver on amd64 ubuntu?
[09:18] <goatboy> I have.
[09:18] <swim> really! so it can be done! goatboy you did it succesfully?
[09:19] <goatboy> yep.
[09:19] <swim> goatboy what kernel version?
[09:20] <ions|ubuntu> housetier: you have Java working with Firefox?
[09:20] <goatboy> swim: <IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-k8
[09:20] <housetier> ions|ubuntu, I have, but I am not using ubuntu atm
[09:20] <swim> ah... goatboy did you select that kernel version? mine is amd64 generic, I wonder if I should be using k8?
[09:20] <ions|ubuntu> when I try and play a Yahoo! game Firefox crashes immediately
[09:21] <housetier> I prefer my carefully crafted setup of debian experimental
[09:22] <njs12345> ions|ubuntu, try running it from a terminal and see if it outputs any error message
[09:22] <|trey|> ions|ubuntu: known problem, sorry  :(
[09:22] <ions|ubuntu> wth, it just worked
[09:22] <|trey|> ions|ubuntu: you can try Mozilla the full browser...
[09:22] <njs12345> hm
[09:22] <goatboy> swim: yea, I did. you can use it if you're running an athlon64 or opteron.
[09:23] <njs12345> I originally joined this channel because i have a friend wanting to start using linux
[09:23] <|trey|> ions|ubuntu: (its known to still work via Mozilla 1.7)
[09:23] <swim> oh ok Ill do that too than goatboy thanks
[09:23] <njs12345> I recommended ubuntu because it looked cool and fairly easy to use and install
[09:23] <njs12345> and debian rules as well
[09:23] <njs12345> but he's got SATA and RAID :-/
[09:24] <njs12345> is that going to be a large problem for him installing?
[09:24] <|trey|> njs12345: perhaps, I've seen it be...
[09:24] <njs12345> I think he has an nForce board
[09:24] <|trey|> D-I supports both afaik though...
[09:25] <njs12345> also
[09:25] <njs12345> one question
[09:25] <njs12345> I really like the look of Ubuntu
[09:25] <njs12345> but I use gentoo
[09:25] <ions|ubuntu> it worked once but now it keeps segfaulting!
[09:25] <njs12345> could someone bz2 up the Human theme and put it up on the net or something?
[09:26] <goatboy> njs12345: you can extract the deb directly on gentoo.
[09:26] <njs12345> and where might I get the deb?
[09:26] <|trey|> ions|ubuntu: yes, I filed the bug myself...
[09:28] <goatboy> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-artwork/
[09:28] <njs12345> thanks a lot :)
[09:30] <ions|ubuntu> it seems to work 1 in 6 tries
[09:30] <ions|ubuntu> |trey|: what is the status on the bug?
[09:32] <ions|ubuntu> or can you link me to the bug filing so I can track it please?
[09:32] <swim> goatboy, so did you use the nvidia x86_64 driver installer from nvidia.com ?
[09:33] <goatboy> swim: yes.
[09:33] <swim> goatboy, and it compiled fine?
[09:33] <goatboy> swim: you need a script to install in on ubuntu, though.
[09:33] <goatboy> swim: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1958
[09:34] <njs12345> yay, now my Gentoo looks like Ubuntu
[09:34] <njs12345> :)
[09:34] <swim> bizarre
[09:35] <njs12345> another question about my friend
[09:36] <njs12345> does the Debian installer have a GUI setup for ADSL?
[09:36] <njs12345> or a curses-based one
[09:36] <njs12345> as far as I can tell, he's got a fairly generic PPPoE modem
[09:37] <|trey|> njs12345: pppoeconf
[09:37] <njs12345> I mean like, in the setup
[09:37] <swim> goatboy, how do I use this script?
[09:37] <|trey|> njs12345: oh, no, sorry  :(
[09:39] <njs12345> hm
[09:39] <njs12345> well
[09:39] <njs12345> I'll have to guide him through it then
[09:40] <yyc747> will the enterprise release be based on warty or hoary, and will it cost money?
[09:40] <goatboy> swim: oh, that script is just for the libraries.
[09:40] <njs12345> yyc747: I'm fairly sure the only cost will be for support
[09:40] <goatboy> swim: run `NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-6111-pkg2.run -K` to install the kernel module
[09:40] <|trey|> yyc747: no, it will not cost money to distribute amoungst the network... only for support...
[09:40] <njs12345> you could look at UserLinux as well, if your talking for enterprises
[09:40] <yyc747> njs12345: can you get it without support (but with enhancements and extra stability)?
[09:41] <njs12345> yes
[09:41] <yyc747> and which version will it be based on?
[09:41] <|trey|> njs12345: there is talk of Progeny, UserLinux, and Ubuntu working _very_ closely together... sounds more like they are going to be talking about merging...
[09:41] <njs12345> hmm.. that'd be cool
[09:42] <|trey|> Supposedly Perens and Shuttleworth are going to be talking about it, and they are trying to get Murdock involved in the meeting too...
[09:42] <njs12345> it'll be cool once Ubuntu gets a GUI installer as well.. not that I really care, but Joe Luser probably does ;)
[09:43] <joem> the ubuntu installer is pretty straight forward assuming you don't have to mess with partitions
[09:43] <joem> no more then 5 clicks iirc
[09:43] <|trey|> njs12345: well, Progeny brings work on apt-rpm and anaconda for debian... with rpm already installed, these things would make sense...
[09:43] <|trey|> UserLinux is just kinda an idea with no means to get it done by the sounds of things...
[09:43] <njs12345> yeah, I thought I saw stuff about anaconda
[09:44] <yyc747> anaconda is a nice installer
[09:44] <njs12345> yeah
[09:44] <njs12345> I love the bluecurve theme as well
[09:44] <yyc747> but debian/ubuntu still far outstrips windows
[09:44] <yyc747> in terms of installer
[09:44] <njs12345> oh yes
[09:44] <njs12345> of course
[09:44] <njs12345> people bitch so much about how hard linux is to install and stuff
[09:45] <njs12345> but in fact, with Linux today, it's far easier than windows
[09:45] <yyc747> everyone says linux needs a beautiful installer, but windows is so far behind even the ugly installers
[09:45] <|trey|> If Progeny and Ubuntu do combine efforts, I will be happy  :)  Single apt database for .deb and .rpm packages, graphical installer... great developers.
[09:45] <yyc747> but you need to partition!!!!
[09:45] <ions|ubuntu> why is Synaptic asking me to put Wart Warthog in the drive when I try to install Thunderbird?

[09:45] <joem> nobody has to install windows though :)
[09:45] <njs12345> yeah
[09:45] <njs12345> bah
[09:46] <njs12345> OEMs annoy me.. if people actually had to make a choice then there'd be far more people using alternative OSes
[09:46] <ions|ubuntu> any ideas?
[09:46] <|trey|> ions|ubuntu: cuz its on the CD... edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the cdrom entry (type "dd")
[09:46] <joem> I bought a computer with lindows on it the other month
[09:47] <joem> just because it takes off 100+ dollars from the price of the box
[09:47] <njs12345> yeah..
[09:47] <yyc747> and then when the OEMs include linux, it's the worse possible distro!
[09:47] <yyc747> I mean, lindows...
[09:47] <|trey|> joem: *shrug* I usually just build my own...
[09:47] <njs12345> <microsoft paid "independent" adviser voice>yeah, but didn't you install a pirated copy of windows on that PC? </voice>
[09:47] <yyc747> why would _any_ distro TELL you to run as root?
[09:47] <|trey|> yyc747: lindows = corporate kde debian
[09:48] <joem> I installed ubuntu actually :)
[09:48] <yyc747> good
[09:48] <njs12345> of course ;)
[09:48] <njs12345> I think Ubuntu looks really cool
[09:48] <yyc747> Why don't they use xpde?
[09:48] <njs12345> hmm
[09:49] <joem> I booted into lindows once to check it out, and it was ugly as sin
[09:49] <njs12345> I love gentoo, but they haven't got GNOME2.8 packages yet :-\
[09:49] <joem> njs12345, yes they do
[09:49] <njs12345> do they?
[09:49] <ions|ubuntu> thanks |trey| :)
[09:49] <njs12345> well
[09:49] <njs12345> sort of
[09:49] <vrln> they are just hard masked
[09:49] <yyc747> njs12345: another gentoo supporter!  I like gentoo, but I'm looking for something that is easier to install and use
[09:50] <njs12345> yeah
[09:50] <|trey|> njs12345: I have ran Gentoo for a total of 16 days in my life... my 950 Duron hated me for it.
[09:50] <njs12345> I'd go with Ubuntu
[09:50] <joem> they are the same packages that will be used when it is unmasked
[09:50] <njs12345> lol
[09:50] <vrln> in other words they aren't stable enough yet
[09:50] <|trey|> ions|ubuntu: I don't recall, what I tell you?
[09:50] <njs12345> |trey|: gentoo rules if you have a fast PC
[09:50] <njs12345> :P
[09:50] <joem> no, there just isn't enough time for them atm
[09:50] <njs12345> or if you spend a lot of time regularly away from your PC
[09:50] <njs12345> e.g school
[09:50] <ions|ubuntu>  removing the CD rom from sources.list
[09:50] <yyc747> njs12345: and you like configuring everything yourself... which is good sometimes, bad other times
[09:51] <yyc747> njs12345: I'm SSH'd to my gentoo box from school right now
[09:51] <njs12345> haha
[09:51] <njs12345> my school would never allow that
[09:51] <njs12345> I mean seriously..
[09:51] <yyc747> Infotech is the most useless class ever (at least at grade 10 level)
[09:51] <yyc747> I hate MS word compared to OO.o
[09:51] <paxetil> in "installing base system" the installation stops in bsdutils, saying that can't download package. is that an cd error ? i've burned from warty-i386.iso
[09:51] <njs12345> I'd be like "Can I ssh into my box at home from school?" and they'd be like "Uhm.. what's SSH?"
[09:51] <|trey|> njs12345: I've had this box for 4 years about... was put together for about $800 att
[09:51] <yyc747> njs12345: I had to use the jedi mind trick
[09:52] <njs12345> lol
[09:52] <njs12345> I _will_ ssh into my box. You _will_ let me
[09:52] <njs12345> :D
[09:52] <Treenaks> njs12345: 8)
[09:52] <njs12345> |trey|: yeah.. I upgraded last christmas
[09:52] <yyc747> no, it was more like "Are you allowed to do that?" and I was like, "Yes.  I am allowed to do this"
[09:52] <njs12345> before that, I had a p3 700Mhz
[09:52] <swim> goatboy, ok so once I get the proper image and headers, all I need to do is "sudo sh NVIDIAetc-pkg2.run -K  ?
[09:52] <njs12345> I love emacs so much
[09:52] <Treenaks> swim: no, ubuntu has nvidia-drivers installed by default
[09:53] <|trey|> njs12345: 633 Celeron  :/
[09:53] <Treenaks> swim: so you don't need the package from nvidia.com
[09:53] <goatboy> swim: for a start, yeah :)
[09:53] <yyc747> njs12345: I am editor-agnostic, other than I don't like nano
[09:53] <Treenaks> read the BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki
[09:53] <Treenaks> yyc747: you'll learn to hate 'ed'
[09:53] <njs12345> I love emacs lisp and the customizability of emacs
[09:53] <goatboy> Treenaks: i386 only, he's on amd64.
[09:53] <njs12345> lol
[09:53] <njs12345> ed
[09:53] <njs12345> oddly enough, I've never actually used ed
[09:53] <|trey|> yyc747: nano isn't so bad... with screen, its not bad at all...
[09:53] <njs12345> but I've read about it
[09:53] <Treenaks> goatboy: do nvidia's drivers work on amd64?
[09:54] <njs12345> the suckiest thing about emacs is that it's written in Motif
[09:54] <goatboy> Treenaks: yes.
[09:54] <|trey|> Treenaks: apparently so, with the script in bugzilla
[09:54] <Treenaks> njs12345: I have.. while constructing a userland from scratch :)
[09:54] <yyc747> |trey|: but it has no features compared to vim or emacs
[09:54] <goatboy> Treenaks: there just wasn't enough time to package it for warty.
[09:54] <Treenaks> njs12345: (reconstructing, actually)
[09:54] <yyc747> emacs is blissfully easy to use
[09:54] <yyc747> if you just know
[09:54] <njs12345> ouch..
[09:54] <yyc747> C-x.
[09:54] <yyc747> C-s
[09:54] <|trey|> yyc747: I'm kinda an emacs virgin... vim is my freind though  :)
[09:55] <njs12345> I went with emacs because it was the cleverest editor
[09:55] <|trey|> Treenaks: same here... wonder who did them?
[09:55] <njs12345> and it does the "linux" C style really well
[09:55] <njs12345> I used gvim before, and it's fairly cool as well
[09:55] <|trey|> njs12345: it was always too slow for me to stick with...
[09:55] <Treenaks> |trey|: that's easy, read planet ubuntu and the changelogs
[09:55] <yyc747> sry my friend was being an asshat
[09:56] <yyc747> bye now
[09:56] <njs12345> one day, I'm going to make a superplanet
[09:56] <njs12345> like a planet of planets
[09:56] <njs12345> :D
[09:56] <Treenaks> |trey|: "Andrew", I guess that's Andrew Bennetts
[09:56] <|trey|> Treenaks: been reading p.u.o ... didn't see it... rarely read Changelogs enless I am looking for something inpeticular
[09:56] <paxetil> in "installing base system" the installation stops in bsdutils, saying that can't download package. is that an cd error ? i've burned from warty-i386.iso
[09:57] <njs12345> paxetil: sounds like it might be
[09:57] <|trey|> Treenaks: ahh... I need to thank him  :)  He's pretty good @ graphics  :)
[09:57] <Treenaks> |trey|: it says "Andrew" in the changelogs, and Andrew Bennetts is the only person on the planetubuntu roll called Andrew :)
[09:57] <mdz> Treenaks: no, it's a different Andrew
[09:57] <Treenaks> mdz: it is?
[09:57] <Treenaks> mdz: well, thank him for us :)
[09:58] <mdz> ok :-)
[09:58] <|trey|> Treenaks: only 11 of (some places say) 40+ people have Planet accounts...
[09:58] <Treenaks> |trey|: maybe the others don't blog
[09:58] <|trey|> Treenaks: *coughthatsmypointcough*
[09:58] <anders> I've made a couple variants of human-theme grub background, at http://anders.arendal.no/ubuntu_graphics
[09:59] <Treenaks> anders: your SSL certificate is named "localhost"
[10:00] <anders> ehhm
[10:00] <|trey|> anders: nice  :)  I'm getting restless for Hoary when such things will be implemented  :(
[10:00] <Treenaks> anders: (I clicked the music link :))
[10:00] <anders> thanks
[10:00] <anders> Treenaks: do you know me? :)
[10:01] <Treenaks> anders: no, I just like to click links :)
[10:01] <anders> Treenaks: do you know how to make ssl sertificates?
[10:01] <Treenaks> anders: a bit
[10:02] <anders> Treenaks: a few config files involved I guess
[10:02] <EY> i wish ubuntu would install :-(
[10:02] <Treenaks> anders: http://lena.franken.de/linux/create_certificate.html (the cn is the important part..)
[10:03] <|trey|> EY: where do you run into issues?
[10:03] <EY> SATA
[10:03] <EY> it's the preview release
[10:03] <anders> Treenaks: ok, thanks
[10:03] <EY> It loads the NVIDIA3 driver, but it won't show the disks
[10:03] <EY> or rather, disk
[10:03] <|trey|> EY: try #debian-boot
[10:03] <|trey|> EY: they may be more helpful
[10:03] <EY> ok, thanks
[10:04] <Treenaks> great, I have a shitload of .vcf files from my phone (I mailed my address book to myself..), but evolution can't import Nokia VCFs properly (or my phone outputs broken VCFs..)
[10:05] <swim> goatboy, for a start? is there more Ill need to do?
[10:05] <goatboy> swim: after that run the script in bugzilla.
[10:06] <njs12345> Treenaks: I think that VCFs are plaintext
[10:06] <njs12345> so you could find the bit that wasn't working and sed it out or whatever
[10:06] <swim> goatboy, how do I do that? and what will that do?
[10:06] <Treenaks> njs12345: they are.. but there's not a "bit that's wrong".. evolution doesn't pick up photos and other stuff
[10:06] <njs12345> ah
[10:07] <ions|ubuntu> anyone know if Opera and Java work in Ubuntu?
[10:07] <goatboy> swim: download it to the same directory as the NVIDIA installer and run it, and it will install the libraries you need.
[10:08] <Treenaks> njs12345: I think the files are broken.. I'll wait for a new version of multisync and use syncml :)
[10:09] <Treenaks> (if only I could get an operator and phone supporting mobile ipv6, so I could roam from my home network, keep the same IP, and be happy :))
[10:09] <Destrado> Is there a way to set the screen resolution higher than the options in the "Screen Resolution" program?
[10:09] <Treenaks> Destrado: does your monitor support that?
[10:12] <Destrado> I think it does.  It does under Windows, at least.
[10:12] <|trey|> Destrado: towards the bottem of "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4", has listings for Modes... add the largest you want to that list, leave others to assure there are no issues...
[10:13] <njs12345> LOL
[10:13] <njs12345> http://business.newsforge.com/business/04/10/05/1340248.shtml?tid=33
[10:13] <swim> goatboy, ok, and that is after running the NVIDIA installer right?
[10:13] <goatboy> swim: right.
[10:13] <|trey|> Destrado: for "1024x768" I know your HorizSync must be 30-60, and VertSync must be 50-100
[10:14] <|trey|> (the Sync values are further up that same file)
[10:14] <Destrado> OK.  I'm trying the XF86Config-4 bit.  Forgot to sudo it the first time.  :-P
[10:15] <Destrado> Would I have to restart to make the option appear?
[10:15] <swim> goatboy, thank yo, what is the name of that dir? (where I need to put the script)
[10:15] <|trey|> Destrado: kinda.... logout  :)
[10:15] <Destrado> Aha.
[10:15] <|trey|> basically, X must restart
[10:16] <Destrado> I'll try that.  Thank you.
[10:16] <goatboy> swim: whereever you downloaded the NVIDIA installer.
[10:16] <|trey|> Destrado: yw... you may need to go into Computer > System Configuration > Screen Resolution if it doesn't take first time, come back if its not listed there though.
[10:16] <swim> goatboy, odd ok
[10:17] <goatboy> swim: it extracts the libraries from the NVIDIA installer, it needs to be run from the same dir.
[10:19] <swim> oh I get it now ok, Im still updateing all upgradeable stuff in synaptic, unfortunatley it will be a while still
[10:23] <anders> is it like 14000 different .deb's or is it 7000 deb's and 7000 src-deb's ?
[10:24] <|trey|> anders: the former
[10:25] <anders> wow, thats a lot
[10:25] <|trey|> actually, last I heard, Sid had only just over 13,000 - so that can't be right.
[10:26] <anders> I've put som unofficial things in, like jedit, blackdown and stuff
[10:26] <Destrado> |trey|:  No change in the options.  Did I maybe miss a step?
[10:26] <|trey|> I use the word "only" loosly of course.
[10:27] <|trey|> Destrado: you added the Modes entry, you changed the Sync values?
[10:27] <Destrado> Ah.  I did not change sync values.
[10:27] <|trey|> If those are correct, it will work
[10:27] <chutwig> friends
[10:27] <j^> Kamion worked like a charm, the only thing is, its downloads all the files from the net again.
[10:27] <chutwig> when creating an ext2/ext3 filesystem with sparse superblocks, does anyone know the frequency of their placement?
[10:27] <|trey|> Destrado: H 30-60  V 50-100
[10:28] <Destrado> Thank you.
[10:28] <chutwig> ah, i see now
[10:28] <defendguin> punkass__, you here?
[10:29] <punkass__> i am so
[10:29] <defendguin> would you like the icon?
[10:29] <punkass__> sure
[10:29] <defendguin> can i send it through here?
[10:30] <punkass__> probably not..im am behind a router etc
[10:30] <defendguin> ok
[10:30] <punkass__> just post url if u can
[10:30] <defendguin> ill just post it
[10:30] <j^> now it hangs at Starting hotplug subsytem after installing the base system
[10:33] <j^> i wonder what caused that, switching off the external cddrive and rebooting its ok now.
[10:34] <defendguin> http://www.cs.uno.edu/~jsunseri/files/pyfi3.svg
[10:35] <|trey|> j^: then what are you wondering about?  ;)
[10:36] <|trey|> j^: hotplug = usb plugnplay... so you want to look into it later  :)
[10:38] <anders> bsd has 11657 orts
[10:38] <anders> Ports
[10:38] <Telep> hmm, is galeon not available for Ubuntu?
[10:38] <anders> way behind debian
[10:39] <yohan> if I want to kill X without it reloading, what Process should I end ?
[10:39] <goatboy> yohan: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:40] <yohan> goatboy: gdm arleady running. Aborting!
[10:40] <defendguin> punkass__, not too bad i hope
[10:40] <uxi9000> howdy
[10:41] <sander__> howdy
[10:41] <|trey|> yohan: bug.
[10:41] <uxi9000> wanna help me with a mount issue?
[10:41] <punkass__> defendguin: doh, dont have anything on this machine to view svg
[10:41] <tritium> wow, mdz, I just got your announcement about the LiveCD preview in the past hour
[10:41] <|trey|> uxi9000: not if you make me attempt to read your mind  ;)
[10:41] <astinus> Whats the default root password in Ubuntu?
[10:41] <Telep> there isn't one
[10:42] <astinus> fscking setup didn't prompt me to enter one!
[10:42] <astinus> Damnit.
[10:42] <sander__> What do I need to browse windows networks in Nautilus? Smb-client is installed, but I can't configure network browsing.
[10:42] <astinus> Now Xfree is being bitchy too :P
[10:42] <uxi9000> Here is the line from my fstab, It wont allow writing to the volume: /dev/hdb8       /windows        vfat    user,auto,showexec,umask=000     0       0
[10:42] <njs12345> astinus: use sudo -s and your password if you need a root shell
[10:42] <astinus> Just like debian usually does.
[10:42] <Telep> astinus: that's normal, use sudo
[10:42] <|trey|> punkass__: I think gimp will... also, you can install inkscap, they pretty much specialize in SVG
[10:42] <astinus> Telep: Danke.
[10:42] <mdz> tritium: yeah, it was stuck in a moderation queue and I didn't notice
[10:42] <defendguin> punkass__, nautilus doesnt display them?
[10:42] <smeggy> It should be able to do it by default..
[10:42] <punkass__> yeah...just on a work machine...(XP) shhhh
[10:43] <|trey|> punkass__: the human icons are svg, nice touch  :)
[10:43] <Telep> but does anyone know about Galeon? Why isn't it available?
[10:43] <sander__> The message is SMB support is not running, do I need to start it manually?
[10:43] <sander__> Telep, I believe Epiphany has replaced Galeon hasn't it?
[10:43] <astinus> Right, now to work out what doesn't work out the box
[10:43] <astinus> Be back later.
[10:44] <|trey|> Some still missing+not completely configured though
[10:44] <swim> how do I change color theme in gnome?
[10:44] <jgeorgeson> having some issues with suspend modes. running `echo -n mem > /proc/power/state` it appears to go into S3. I hit power and it comes back up with all the windows right. The moust works but not the keyboard. and about 5 seconds later it powers down. When I hit the power button it boots, but doesn't tell me the root fs was umounted uncleanly
[10:44] <punkass__> what is better, sodi  or ink ?
[10:44] <Telep> sander__: oh, I didn't know that. Ok, thanks :)
[10:44] <defendguin> punkass__, you could always set that icon as the icon for a launcher and it will display it
[10:44] <defendguin> ink
[10:44] <defendguin> sodi is a dead project
[10:44] <jgeorgeson> swim: Computer->Desktop Preferences->Theme
[10:44] <punkass__> defendguin...i am in XP so no svgs for me...but i thnk inksacpe has windows version
[10:45] <swim> jgeorgeson, I mean the actual color schemes... ? not the themes
[10:45] <defendguin> yes inkscape does have a win version
[10:45] <defendguin> and i have used it
[10:45] <jgeorgeson> swim, the color scheme is one of the things changed in the theme program
[10:45] <swim> jgeorgeson, ah I see
[10:45] <sivang> how would I enable color coding in vim?
[10:45] <jgeorgeson> swim, just hit the details button and you get a window with three tabs
[10:46] <defendguin> punkass make sure to take a look at it when its tiny so you can see what it will look like as an icon in the panel
[10:46] <jgeorgeson> swim, you want the "controls" tab
[10:46] <punkass__> yeah will do.
[10:46] <swim> jgeorgeson, yah I know I wanted to change the color scheme itself... not anything but the colors... thx
[10:46] <defendguin> i think it looks pretty good
[10:46] <punkass__> ewww...inkscape is comin in at 3.3kb/s
[10:46] <defendguin> lol
[10:47] <defendguin> i think nautilus renders it slightly different than inkscape
[10:47] <jgeorgeson> anybody messing around with acpi? i'm having trouble with s3 (suspend to ram) and want to get s4 (suspend to disk)
[10:47] <|trey|> nautilus uses eog
[10:48] <seb128> |trey|: to do what ?
[10:48] <|trey|> seb128: view svg
[10:48] <seb128> are you sure ?
[10:48] <|trey|> hold on
[10:48] <seb128> afaik nautilus doesn't depend on eog
[10:49] <defendguin> it used to use eog for "View as image collection ..."
[10:50] <|trey|> seb128: ugh, "Couldn't display '/usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/apps/ooo_calc.svg'".. it creates the thumbnails though?
[10:51] <seb128> what's the question ??
[10:51] <|trey|> Well, why can't I view the file when there is a thumbnail I think?
[10:51] <defendguin> |trey|, it uses librsvg to display svg files
[10:52] <|trey|> defendguin: cool  :)
[10:52] <|trey|> Still should be something opening the file  :(
[10:52] <dot> I can't get sound to work on my Dell
[10:53] <dot> all volumes are up and unmuted
[10:53] <defendguin> |trey|, if you want to have a svg viewer install inkscape
[10:53] <|trey|> dot: lspci | grep audio  <-- tell me what that says
[10:53] <dot> 0000:02:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]  (rev 01)
[10:54] <|trey|> defendguin: I already said that... I probably should... don't use it much though, should still be able to view it on double click if it can create a thumbnail...
[10:55] <|trey|> (where it = inkscape)
[10:55] <|trey|> then SVG...
[10:56] <punkass__> defendguin: looks good
[10:56] <|trey|> then nautilus...
[10:56] <|trey|> I should be more specific... yes
[10:57] <punkass__> defendguin: so if i get it into an applet i need a few more...<no network> <network found> <connected to network>
[10:57] <punkass__> i guess just variations of the same... maybe green ball for connected etc
[10:57] <|trey|> defendguin: I guess I just think gThumb or eog should be able to view them too...
[10:58] <defendguin> hmmm yes
[10:58] <|trey|> dot: ahh, gotta state my username for me to notice  ;)
[10:59] <defendguin> trey i remember them being able to but it converts them in png to display so it wont scale properly
[11:00] <dot> |trey|: k - plugging headphones into the drive works
[11:00] <dot> I get sound that way
[11:00] <|trey|> dot: you wouldn't happen to have a ThinkPad?
[11:00] <dot> nope Dell
[11:00] <dot> desktop
[11:00] <whiprush> woo!
[11:01] <whiprush> new liveCD!
[11:01] <|trey|> cs46xx  is your audio module
[11:01] <punkass__> are those CD analog cables still needed?
[11:01] <dot> do I have to add a module to the kernel?
[11:02] <|trey|> dot: not if its working... you said it wasn't though...
[11:02] <dot> I can't get sound through tthe speakers....but plugging phones into the cd drive works
[11:02] <|trey|> Now I'm just telling you for future reference cuz else I looked it up for nothing  ;)
[11:03] <|trey|> In volume control... turn up cd volume
[11:03] <dot> all volumes are up
[11:04] <dot> I think the speakers may not be in the right hole
[11:04] <mir> Anyone got any opinion on weather I should use Stable, Testing or unstable repository of Marillat?
[11:04] <|trey|> mir: unstable works...
[11:04] <mir> |trey|: Ok thanks...
[11:05] <|trey|> mir: with the added bonus of Ubuntu is a snapshot of Sid at its earliest form, so they are pretty much compatible
[11:05] <mir> |trey|: Good, then I will go for unstable..
[11:05] <|trey|> mir: from now on, update when you switch versions only though...
[11:06] <|trey|> comment it out between that time
[11:06] <|trey|> Things might change in sid, you don't want to have your packages to be configured for them...
[11:07] <mir> |trey|: I should comment out marillat's  ?
[11:07] <mir> Did I get u right?
[11:07] <|trey|> after installing the packages you want, yes.
[11:08] <mir> |trey|: Ok.. thanks for youre advice
[11:08] <|trey|> basically stick a # at the beginning of the line you entered to access his repository  :)
[11:08] <burriko> what do you guys recommend for switching between different wireless network profiles?
[11:08] <|trey|> burriko: dhcp
[11:08] <mir> |trey|: :-) I know...
[11:09] <burriko> i mean switching between different keys and network IDs
[11:09] <smeggy> Can't you just use the Network Profiles feature ni the Network COnfig app?
[11:10] <dot> |trey|: the speakers are plugged in and the volumes in volume control are all up
[11:11] <|trey|> burriko: Computer > System Configuration > Networking > bottem "Network Profiles"
[11:11] <burriko> i did try that, but it only ever remembered the last key that i entered.  i created different profiles for home and work but it would only remember 1 key.  i'll give it another go though.
[11:13] <|trey|> burriko: I have 3 right now
[11:14] <burriko> 3 wireless profiles in the "Networking" config tool?  cool, i'll give it another go then
[11:14] <dot> |trey|: any other ideas?  If it's working from headphones but no where else?
[11:14] <miguel> hi all; right place to ask for help in installing warty?
[11:14] <|trey|> burriko: good luck, come back if it still doesn't work
[11:14] <dot> headphones from the drive anyway
[11:15] <burriko> ok, cheers
[11:15] <|trey|> miguel: yes
[11:17] <dot> |trey|: headphones plugged into the soundcard at the back produce no sound
[11:17] <miguel> ok then, here goes: laptop without a CD, running debian unstable; got warty iso on my HD, unpacked it to /UBUNTU/warty-i386. Arranged lilo to boot to image=/UBUNTU/warty-i386/install/vmlinuz, initrd similarly. Good - it boots to the installer ...
[11:17] <|trey|> dot: ok, you load that module I told you?
[11:17] <|trey|> dot: modprobe it
[11:18] <dot> sudo modprobe cs46xx?\
[11:18] <|trey|> yes
[11:18] <dot> nothing happens whne I do that
[11:19] <miguel> ... but - no luck instructing it to find the rest of the data. What I did was: in console 2, mounted the HD to /mnt, then 'ln -s /mnt/UBUNTU/wart-i386 /cdrom'
[11:19] <miguel> No joy :(
[11:19] <|trey|> Thats a good sign actually
[11:19] <|trey|> dot: better then saying "Unable to load"  :)
[11:19] <dot> heh yeah
[11:19] <dot> how do I load it?
[11:20] <|trey|> dot: echo cs46xx >> /etc/modules so you don't have to type that all the time... that gets annoying  :)
[11:20] <salgado> my netspeed applet is crashing when I change it to monitor my ppp0 interface. somebody have seen this? should I file a bug report?
[11:20] <|trey|> dot: its loaded...
[11:20] <|trey|> dot: logout, log back in
[11:21] <dot> the module is not listed in /etc/modules
[11:21] <|trey|> dot: >> = copy to the bottem of....
[11:22] <carlos> mdz: is the current Ubuntu easy to install under UML?
[11:22] <|trey|> dot: sudo echo cs46xx >> /etc/modules
[11:22] <|trey|> dot: sorry, its a system configuration file  :/
[11:22] <dot> k
[11:22] <|trey|> I'm usually using sudo -s
[11:22] <dot> logoff amd back on |trey|
[11:22] <dot> ?
[11:23] <|trey|> dot: yeah... then you should get a sound on login  :)
[11:23] <dot> k
[11:23] <dot> brb
[11:26] <|trey|> he's taking a while to log back in...
[11:26] <|trey|> Thats maybe a good thing though?
[11:26] <miguel> Ie, I did more or less what was suggested in http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/000077.html - but the installer keeps complaining about not finding the cd.
[11:30] <miguel> So: anybody's got any experience in installing without a CD?
[11:32] <dot> |trey|: I now have sound, thank you, but I can't get CD audio to play
[11:33] <|trey|> dot: your welcome... I sometimes have to plug in speakers to the CD Drive myself  :/
[11:33] <steveod> anyone using the mplayer plugin?
[11:34] <|trey|> steved: afaik mozilla-mplayer depends mozilla-browser... thus not useful for me
[11:34] <credmp> is mplayer even in the ubuntu sources?
[11:34] <|trey|> mplayer-nogui and default application works just as well though...
[11:34] <dot> very odd
[11:34] <|trey|> credmp: nope
[11:34] <steveod> no, but through universe mplayer can be installed
[11:34] <dot> is it easy to add mp3 support?
[11:34] <|trey|> steveod: not yet
[11:34] <credmp> |trey|, I was going to install it from sources..... do you have a deb url for it?
[11:35] <Tux234> I need some help
[11:35] <|trey|> credmp: search apt-get.org for mplayer-nogui ffmpeg and w32codecs... each are on a marrilat repo also stating nerim, get it
[11:36] <|trey|> actually wait
[11:36] <Tux234> I d/l Ubuntu today and set it up but it mistakingly used my integrated graphics
[11:36] <|trey|> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main    #mplayer
[11:36] <Tux234> but I have a Nvidia Geforce 2 Mx/200
[11:36] <credmp> |trey|, nice... thanks
[11:37] <|trey|> deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian/ ./      #Java and Flash plugins
[11:37] <Tux234> So I don't get a display when I start X
[11:37] <mir> Why cant I change my desktop wall paper i ubuntu?
[11:37] <Tux234> hello?
[11:37] <|trey|> mir: you can, click browse
[11:37] <Tux234> bbiab
[11:38] <|trey|> ahh, Add Wallpaper
[11:38] <mir> |trey|: It is in the list and it is selected, but the background does not change
[11:38] <|trey|> Changes here  :/
[11:41] <agraupe> either my imagination is playing tricks on me, or I didn't get to set a root password during the install
[11:41] <credmp> agraupe, only sudo iirc
[11:41] <agraupe> credmp: ah
[11:42] <agraupe> credmp: I suppose, if desired, I could run sudo passwd to set the root password?
[11:42] <|trey|> I think the Ubuntu universe (or perhaps multiverse as it sounds closer) should somehow link to outside sources, so its actually say Sun giving people java, but Ubuntu enables it... much like the installer for Flash in Main on Debian
[11:42] <|trey|> not Main, Contrib
[11:42] <credmp> agraupe, tja....
[11:42] <|trey|> Thats what I meant, really  :)
[11:42] <steveod> well i just found a deb repo that had mplayerplug-in and downloaded then installed that
[11:42] <agraupe> credmp: what does tja mean?
[11:42] <steveod> appears to work
[11:43] <credmp> agraupe, it means... tja.. you could do that... but what would be the point?
[11:43] <agraupe> and I just enter my user password for the "enter root password" boxes
[11:43] <credmp> agraupe, tja also means I had to much whiskey
[11:43] <agraupe> ah so
[11:43] <credmp> agraupe, smart kid :)
[11:44] <agraupe> wouldn't it be more secure to set a root password and disallow root the ability to log in?
[11:44] <credmp> agraupe, they all use gnome-su iirc... make it a graphical sudo
[11:44] <agraupe> right
[11:44] <credmp> agraupe, so... then you would use su to go to root to perform a task instead of doing exactly the same with sudo?
[11:45] <credmp> sudo su gives you root
[11:45] <credmp> too
[11:45] <credmp> the actual user
[11:46] <Tux234> ok I'm back
[11:46] <agraupe> credmp: I see... I am saying that, wouldn't it be more useful to have a separate root password because then an attacker would have to guess a login/password pair and the root password to make any changes
[11:46] <Tux234> Um excuse me
[11:46] <credmp> then you would also have to take the account out of adm group as well as revoke sudo rights
[11:47] <|trey|> steveod: Christian Marillat is a Debian Developer, I tend to trust these more then random hobbyests for some reason...
[11:47] <Tux234> hello?
[11:47] <Tux234> I gotta question
[11:48] <asdf_46> hi
[11:48] <|trey|> Tux234: if you ask it, you will find its more likely to get answered
[11:48] <|trey|> asdf_46: hi
[11:48] <credmp> Tux234, are you waiting for someone to say you may ask a question?
[11:48] <steveod> trey: i have the mplayer stuff installed from his site, but I am just trying to get something working, though this didn't solve it
[11:48] <asdf_46> Tux234, you may ask
[11:48] <Tux234> no I was just tryin to get a open spot hehe :)
[11:48] <Tux234> but anyway
[11:49] <|trey|> steveod: good pr0n codecs: w32codecs, ffmpeg  <-- both in marillats repository
[11:49] <steveod> trey: i am working on getting rtsp working in firefox, and when i used archlinux it came up via mplayer
[11:49] <Tux234> i installed ubuntu today but during the configuration it choose my integrated graphics over my GeForce 2 MX/200
[11:49] <credmp> at least |trey| understands the essence of internet ;)
[11:50] <Tux234> So I couldn't get a display when Gnomne tried to start
[11:50] <|trey|> credmp: ;)
[11:50] <steveod> trey: archives of kexp.org's live performances, already have p0rn working
[11:50] <Tux234> Anyway around this?
[11:50] <|trey|> credmp: beats the hell outta going to jail for rape  :/
[11:50] <anders> Tux234: you could blacklist the module for your integrated graphics
[11:50] <Tux234> How?
[11:50] <credmp> |trey|, you got that damn right ;)
[11:51] <anders> Tux234: first you need to find the module name of it
[11:51] <Tux234> Oh its i810
[11:51] <Tux234> sorry hehe :)
[11:51] <|trey|> Tux234: modules in restricted is what you need... you will want to unload (rmmod) your integrated, and load (modprobe) the Nvidia card...
[11:52] <Tux234> so just modprobe nvidia?
[11:52] <Tux234> after rmmod
[11:52] <|trey|> Tux234: no... you have to get the modules, install them, then load them, then they work  :)
[11:52] <agraupe> how can I make nautilus open new folders in the same window?
[11:52] <anders> Tux234: yes, and for a more permanent solution in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ make a file with i810 in it
[11:52] <Tux234> From apt-get?
[11:52] <|trey|> So you need to download a package from resticted
[11:53] <punkass__> agraupe: hold shift key
[11:53] <Tux234> k Thx!
[11:54] <punkass__> or u can set it to "browse" all the time..which is the most people are used to
[11:54] <asdf_46> agraupe, Set the nautilus prefs to open winows in browser to get rid of spatial.
[11:54] <Tux234> is restricted enabled by default?
[11:55] <|trey|> Tux234: you need linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:55] <|trey|> apt-get install it
[11:55] <Tux234> or do I have to add it to sources.list
[11:55] <|trey|> Yes its enabled by defualt
[11:55] <Tux234> Ok gotcha thx a bunch!
[11:55] <|trey|> nvidia-kernel-common
[11:55] <|trey|> actually that
[11:55] <|trey|> my bad
[11:55] <yohan> can anybody here tell me where in kernel configuration I can find the /drivers/char/drm/gamme_dma.c ? its' giving me an error when i try to compile my kernel
[11:55] <|trey|> nvidia-settings
[11:55] <|trey|> and that
[11:56] <Tux234> Anything Else? :)
[11:56] <anders> nvidia-glx ?
[11:56] <|trey|> so 'apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-settings'
[11:56] <agraupe> asdf_46: where is this option?
[11:56] <|trey|> anders: apparently not, its not there  :/
[11:56] <anders> ok
[11:57] <|trey|> anders: then they changed the name of the kernel, so why wouldn't they change the name of modules?
[11:57] <asdf_46> agraupe, always open in browser windows in the behavior tab in the prefs.
[11:57] <steveod> is there a place to look at the changelogs for recent updates?
[11:58] <|trey|> steveod: apt-get install apt-listchanges
[11:58] <steveod> thanks
[11:58] <|trey|> Sends you a nice little email and everything... or other things...
[11:58] <|trey|> Like on screen etc...
[11:58] <Python2121> hey guys, how can i check if my sound card is detected?
[11:59] <|trey|> Python2121: cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp
[11:59] <asdf_46> Python2121, try lsmod to see if the modual is there.
[11:59] <|trey|> Python2121: cat /dev/random > /dev/audio
[11:59] <anders> |trey|: I have nvidia-glx-1.0.6111-1ubuntu5, don't know if it's from universe or multiverse