[02:02] <martin1989> question people
[02:02] <martin1989> is it possible that xchat open in this channel automatically?
[02:05] <anarkhos> not so familiar with xchat, but other clients let you do it, so i see no reason why it wouldn't work in xchat
[02:06] <anarkhos> not sure of how to go about it. maybe some setting or maybe you could create a script, program
[02:15] <ianorlin> 14.04 has hexchat which is continously developed
[03:29] <average_guy> martin1989: it's been a while since i ran xchat but I believe you goto your server list, click freenode (maybe ubuntu servers) edit server, check automatically connect at startup, and in favorite channel type channel you want to open at startup
[03:32] <martin1989> thanks man!
[03:32] <martin1989> it worked!
[03:32] <average_guy> glad i could help ;)
[05:31] <absk007> which FS partition should be on a fast drive other than /home? i keep some heavy apps in /opt so that will be on a fast drive too. What else should be on a fast drive for good perf.?
[06:29] <absk007> any good lightweight text editor for programmers?
[06:34] <absk007> sound mutes on lock. Very irritating. How to stop?
[07:04] <deitarion> absk007: I'm not sure how that's accomplished (I use neither PulseAudio nor light-locker) but I'm guessing that it's probably something along the lines of "light-locker uses the same mechanism as fast session switching and PulseAudio mutes non-active sessions"
[07:05] <deitarion> ...in which case, the simplest solution would probably be to replace light-locker with a screen locker that doesn't do its thing by backgrounding your session and throwing you back to the login screen.
[07:05] <absk007> deitarion, guide me
[07:05] <deitarion> absk007: What are you looking for in a screen locker?
[07:06] <absk007> login in :-)
[07:06] <absk007> deitarion, also choice of DE
[07:07] <deitarion> absk007: ...that could be a bit tricky since the whole point is that a session running in the background shouldn't be able to annoy a new user who's logging in.
[07:08] <absk007> umm...actually i've single user and simply want to choose either lubuntu or lubuntu-netbook
[07:08] <absk007> deitarion,
[07:09] <deitarion> absk007: Would this workflow be acceptable? "1. Enter password to unlock existing desktop. 2. If you want another desktop, you log out first."
[07:09] <absk007> deitarion, sure..
[07:10] <deitarion> Then any screen locker other than light-locker is likely to solve your problem. One sec.
[07:10] <absk007> deitarion, i've very limited space in thumb drv. So suggest the lightest one
[07:11] <deitarion> I'd suggest something "classic/retro" like xlockmore but it's either not in the Ubuntu repos anymore or in a package I can't find.
[07:12] <deitarion> I normally just use xscreensaver, but that's not exactly space-efficient if all you want is locking. One sec.
[07:13] <deitarion> Give i3lock a try. It's in the Ubuntu repos and, including a few libxcb dependencies, it only cost me 351 kB of extra disk space.
[07:13] <absk007> deitarion, how do you search?
[07:14] <deitarion> I just ran `apt-cache search locker` and looked at the descriptions
[07:14] <absk007> deitarion, should i remove lightlocker?
[07:15] <deitarion> absk007: First, the package name is `light-locker`
[07:16] <absk007> what's the second?
[07:16] <deitarion> Second, there are no ill effects to removing it but I can't tell you how to turn it off without removing it because, when it locked the screen on my system despite being asked only to blank it, I ripped it out and replaced it with xscreensaver.
[07:16] <absk007> deitarion, ok.  Your screen(s) will go white until you type your password and hit enter, at which point you'll be back to the desktop./
[07:19] <absk007> deitarion, how to configure it?
[07:20] <deitarion> Which part, specifically? Launching on idle?
[07:20] <deitarion> You'll need xautolock (82.9KiB) for that.
[07:21] <absk007> ok. thanks.
[07:22] <deitarion> xautolock also doesn't have a GUI (it would make it bigger) so here's how you configure that.
[07:23] <deitarion> Basically, you configure it by adjusting the command line that your desktop runs it by on login.
[07:23] <deitarion> `xautolock -locker i3lock` will give you the default 10 minute idle timeout.
[07:23] <deitarion> `xautolock -locker i3lock -time 15` will give you a 15 minute timeout instead.
[07:24] <deitarion> If you want hot corners for forcing "lock now" and/or "never lock", those are handled via the -corners option.
[07:24] <deitarion> For example, to have the top-left as "lock now" and the top-right as "never lock" with the other two ignored, you'd use `-corners +-00`
[07:25] <deitarion> You can read about the details via `man xautolock`
[07:25] <absk007> deitarion, how to config it in startup?
[07:25] <deitarion> absk007: Do you have any experience setting things to run on login?
[07:25] <absk007> deitarion, nope!
[07:26] <deitarion> Launcher > Preferences > Default applications for LXSession > Autostart
[07:26] <deitarion> Paste the xautolock command line into the text entry field and click the "Add" button beside it.
[07:26] <absk007> yeah! i'm on that screen
[07:27] <absk007> deitarion, what's LXRandR?
[07:28] <deitarion> absk007: The LXDE GUI for controlling monitor settings. Try running `lxrandr` and you'll see what I mean.
[07:28] <absk007> oh! it's the monitor setting dialog
[07:28] <deitarion> Yeah.
[07:28] <absk007> shall i also turn off the screensaver?
[07:28] <deitarion> XRandR = X11 Resize and Rotate
[07:29] <deitarion> absk007: You've got a screensaver installed? Doesn't that have a locker in it?
[07:29] <absk007> deitarion, why is init pid 1 rather than upstart?
[07:30] <absk007> deitarion, i've gnome-screensaver installed
[07:30] <deitarion> absk007: Because Upstart isn't an init replacement.
[07:30] <absk007> deitarion, but the docs say so..
[07:31] <absk007> Upstart is an event-based replacement for the traditional init daemon – the method by which several Unix-like computer operating systems perform tasks when the computer is started.
[07:31] <deitarion> absk007: Maybe I'm wrong there and /sbin/init is part of Upstart then. I never paid much attention to it.
[07:33] <deitarion> The point is that, regardless of what provides it, it only makes sense to name your init system's core /sbin/init because that's the default path the Linux kernel tries to run to bring up the system.
[07:33] <deitarion> Yes, you can specify another path on the kernel command line, but that complicates booting a custom kernel because it's another thing to forget to do.
[07:34] <deitarion> Sort of like how, whether it's provided by bash, dash, or something else, there has to be a /bin/sh because tons of shell scripts depend on it being there.
[07:34] <absk007> deitarion, then why is http://i.imgur.com/CIdj0SF.png upstart option unchecked?
[07:35] <deitarion> absk007: Don't read too much into the contents of "LXSession configuration". It's very flawed at the moment.
[07:35] <deitarion> If I didn't need a newer glibc and GCC, I'd have stayed on Lubuntu 12.04.
[07:36] <absk007> deitarion, should i write gnome-screensaver in the screensaver here http://i.imgur.com/xP7OLR2.png ?
[07:37] <deitarion> absk007: Honestly, I wouldn't touch anything outside the Autostart tab on pain of "If it breaks, you get to keep both pieces"
[07:38] <absk007> how to config gnome-screensaver using GUI?
[07:38] <deitarion> absk007: No clue. The last time I used GNOME, it hadn't been invented yet and they were still running xscreensaver.
[07:39] <absk007> i'm on openbox
[07:39] <deitarion> absk007: Let me rephrase that then. I've never used anything other than xscreensaver and KDE 3.5's KScreenSaver.
[07:45] <absk007> deitarion, why is everything prefixed with "x"??
[07:46] <deitarion> absk007: Because the graphical system Linux uses is called X11
[07:46] <absk007> how to config the i3lock while using xautolock?
[07:46] <deitarion> It's similar to how many KDE applications begin with K, many non-KDE Qt applications begin with Q, and many GTK+ or GNOME applications begin with G.
[07:47] <absk007> deitarion, what exactly is x11? a DE?
[07:47] <absk007> or a windowing toolkit?
[07:47] <deitarion> absk007: Even lower level.
[07:48] <absk007> i don't understand these things.. could you guide me to the basics?
[07:48] <absk007> deitarion, i mean a tutorial
[07:49] <deitarion> absk007: Basically, X11 is a server that offers programs access to the video card, keyboard, and mouse.
[07:49] <absk007> deitarion, is KDE & Gnome built on top of X11?
[07:49] <deitarion> KDE and GNOME are built on top of GTK+ and Qt. GTK+ and Qt use X11 to talk to the video card, mouse, and keyboard.
[07:50] <deitarion> Think of it like this: Linux handles sharing the CPU, network, and hard drive(s) between multiple programs so they don't step on each others toes.
[07:50] <deitarion> X11 is a program which runs on Linux (or other OSes) and does the same thing for the video card, mouse, and keyboard.
[07:51] <deitarion> Give me a sec to see if I can find the interactive tutorial I saw a few weeks ago.
[07:51] <deitarion> https://magcius.github.io/xplain/article/index.html
[07:52] <absk007> X11 just manager only 3 things? KB, VideoCard & Mouse?
[07:52] <deitarion> absk007: To properly understand what X11 is, you have to understand how it started.
[07:52] <deitarion> In the beginning, you had time-shared text terminals.
[07:53] <absk007> time-shared text terminals??? time-shared??
[07:53] <deitarion> One big machine with and then you plugged terminals (basically, remote text screen + keyboard) into it over long wires so you could share the same CPU among multiple users at the same time.
[07:53] <deitarion> s/with and/and/
[07:54] <deitarion> Then, people wanted graphics, so they needed a way to do the same thing with graphics.
[07:55] <deitarion> ...so they designed a system where you'd have a bunch of terminals (sort of like PCs but running nothing but X11) networked to the big machine with the CPU.
[07:55] <deitarion> The programs would run on the big machine and X11 would run on the terminals where the mouse, keyboard, and screen are.
[07:56] <absk007> time-shared means one person puts his long wire. Uses the cpu and then the other one?
[07:57] <deitarion> absk007: Same basic principle as how your PC runs more than one program at once. A CPU can only do one thing at once but it'll seem to be doing more than one thing at once if it switches back and forth quickly enough.
[07:57] <absk007> deitarion, hmm..
[07:58] <deitarion> "time-sharing system" is ye olde term for a machine which provides service to multiple people using that trick.
[08:00] <absk007> deitarion, so in the old times, in time-shared systems, people had only text terminal per machine. But using X11, they got more than one terminal. rt?
[08:00] <absk007> ^had only one
[08:01] <deitarion> ...and my computer just started flashing "Go The @#$% To Sleep!" on the screen, so I'll have to go to bed soon.
[08:03] <absk007> deitarion, won't you xplain me?
[08:04] <deitarion> absk007: I would explain, but I'm not sure what your last question was asking. Give me a sec.
[08:05] <absk007> deitarion,  so in the old times, in time-shared systems, people had only one text terminal per machine. But using X11, they got more than one terminal. rt?
[08:05] <deitarion> absk007: That's what X11 was commonly used for, but you might be missing the point.
[08:05] <absk007> ??
[08:06] <deitarion> absk007: In the old days, there would be one big machine with a bunch of these plugged into it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DEC_VT100_terminal.jpg
[08:06] <deitarion> (Those don't computer on their own. They're only smart enough to send text to the real computer and obey "draw this text over there" commands received in reply)
[08:07] <absk007> deitarion, yeah! that's what i's imagining. And the X11 are more like modern PCs. rt?
[08:07] <deitarion> This is what X11 was invented for. --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Network_Computing_Devices_NCD-88k_X_terminal.jpg
[08:07] <deitarion> It's just as dumb as the VT100... but it does graphics instead of text so you can show a desktop on it.
[08:09] <absk007> like this? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/X-Window-System.png
[08:09] <deitarion> Yeah. You can actually still do that on a modern PC.
[08:09] <deitarion> It's been a while but I think that window manager is called mwm.
[08:10] <deitarion> Then, as PCs got cheaper and more powerful, X terminals became less necessary because you could have lots of little computers rather than one big one... but since X11 already did the job, they didn't replace it. They just kept improving it.
[08:10] <absk007> hmm.. so oldies were not computers. Just a remote terminal to make the big boss machine work. But after X11, the indiviual computers compute !! gr8.
[08:10] <deitarion> *nod* We still use X11, but we run it on the same PC as the programs that do the work.
[08:11] <deitarion> IF it helps, here's how things fit together at the X11 level --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:X_client_server_example.svg
[08:12] <absk007> got that!!
[08:12] <deitarion> If you've got two machines with Linux, try using `ssh -X` to log into the other one, then running something like `xrandr`. You'll get a program that's running on one machine but being displayed on the other machine's desktop.
[08:13] <absk007> great
[08:13] <absk007> haven't tried that. will surely try.
[08:13] <deitarion> Anyway, the last two points are:
[08:14] <deitarion> 1.  Those programs rely on widget toolkits like GTK+ and Qt to piece together their GUIs. GTK+ and Qt rely on X11 to grab input from the mouse and keyboard and push pixels to the video card.
[08:15] <absk007> nyc!
[08:16] <deitarion> X11's job is to manage all the different windows on a shared desktop. The job of a window manager like Openbox is to draw window borders and to control what mouse and keyboard actions cause which behaviours (eg. move, resize, etc.).
[08:17] <absk007> so beneath every modern distro, there is X11
[08:17] <deitarion> Exactly.
[08:17] <absk007> also under Windows?
[08:18] <deitarion> No. Windows has its own graphics and input subsystem.
[08:18] <deitarion> ...and MacOS X also has its own called Quartz.
[08:18] <absk007> why they've different when they could've used X11?
[08:18] <absk007> wasn't X11 good?
[08:19] <deitarion> Windows did it differently because, back when Windows started, X11 was too heavy for home PCs.
[08:19] <deitarion> The reason MacOS X did it differently ties in with my second point...
[08:19] <deitarion> X11 is getting old and creaky. When X11 was designed, GPUs didn't exist and memory was expensive.
[08:20] <absk007> deitarion, so is there any X11 replacement which is better?
[08:20] <deitarion> That means that the guts of X11 don't use the hardware as efficiently as they could.
[08:20] <deitarion> That's why you may be hearing about this "Wayland" thing. Wayland is being developed by the X11 guys as the successor to X11.
[08:20] <absk007> wow!
[08:20] <deitarion> It's not yet ready for day-to-day use by the general public, but they're working on it.
[08:21] <absk007> any experimental distros that use Wayland?
[08:21] <deitarion> RebeccaBlackOS is one
[08:22] <absk007> is Wayland more faster and efficient than Windows' proprietary one?
[08:22] <deitarion> It's still too young to tell. They're still working on getting everything designed properly before they move on to fine-tuning it all for speed.
[08:23] <deitarion> For example, have you ever had a game crash and leave your desktop at the wrong resolution?
[08:23] <absk007> if that would be the case, then linux will be the next gaming platform. I suppose
[08:24] <absk007> deitarion, yeah! many times on old games
[08:24] <deitarion> Wayland should fix that by making a clear distinction between "I want this resolution" (which means that it automatically goes back to normal when the program exits) and "I'm a control panel for setting the default desktop resolution" (which means it stays that way)
[08:25] <absk007> ooo...awesome.
[08:25] <deitarion> That's actually a common problem with both X11 and legacy Windows stuff. Back when they were invented, people trusted the programs more.
[08:26] <deitarion> One of the reasons Wayland is taking so long is that they're being careful to design it so you don't need to trust programs as much.
[08:26] <deitarion> For example, have you ever thought about how scary a screenshot tool is?
[08:27] <deitarion> Any program on Linux OR Windows can steal your credit card number if it asks for a screenshot at the right time.
[08:27] <absk007> yeah! Modern Keyloggers
[08:27] <deitarion> One of the things they're currently discussing for Wayland is how to allow screenshots in a secure way.
[08:28] <absk007> the legacy X11 is the main reason AAA games are not released for Linux. I suppose? If Wayland comes in, AAA games will be also available for Linux.
[08:28] <deitarion> absk007: Actually, no.
[08:28] <absk007> umm.. why?
[08:28] <deitarion> It's more that big development houses are lazy. Look at how many games got "ported" to MacOS X by wrapping them up in Wine.
[08:29] <absk007> DX on Windows is faster. rt?
[08:29] <deitarion> No, DX is just what they're familiar with.
[08:30] <absk007> umm...may be that's the reason.
[08:30] <deitarion> ...but all is not lost.
[08:30] <deitarion> Remember, there's always inertia.
[08:30] <deitarion> Current games are time-consuming to port because they've already been written.
[08:31] <absk007> but the future....
[08:31] <deitarion> A lot of big-name game engines like Unreal Engine 4 are getting native Linux support, so games written on those will be easy to port.
[08:31] <deitarion> ...and for companies writing their own, there's more an more information on how to use SDL2+OpenGL instead of DirectX so your game is VERY easy to port, not just to Linux and OSX, but Android, iPhone, and countless other platforms.
[08:32] <deitarion> s/more an more/more and more/
[08:33] <absk007> i always wondered how can a framework that the whole world is contributing be slower in perf. than a proprietary one which only a minority makes.
[08:33] <absk007> here is the answer then. Thanks.
[08:34] <deitarion> absk007: Because Microsoft can dictate terms to the world. It's a tortoise and hare thing.
[08:34] <deitarion> Proprietary tends to get there first, but open source tends to win in the end.
[08:35] <deitarion> Also, you might enjoy this talk by Ryan Gordon at Steam Dev Days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd8ie5R4CVE
[08:35] <deitarion> It's an introduction to porting games to Linux, but I think it's enjoyable to watch whether or not you're a game porter.
[08:36] <absk007> i would love to create games if i've the ability. I was learning Java Game Dev for sometime.
[08:36] <deitarion> (For a long time, Ryan "Icculus" Gordon was THE person porting games to Linux. In fact, for better or for worse, at least one guy in the games industry nicknamed him "The Linux Games Industry")
[08:37] <absk007> Wow! One Guy becomes the Industry for Linux Games.
[08:38] <deitarion> Here's his talk on the history of the linux game industry if you want more on that --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6A85exfRtA
[08:38] <absk007> and this damn Java thing is very memory hog for big apps.
[08:39] <deitarion> absk007: I've written various apps but not really any games... mainly because I'm more interested in finding ways to make more free time for myself.
[08:39] <absk007> thanks for the vids.
[08:39] <deitarion> No problem.
[08:40] <absk007> and also thanks for the immense knowledge that you showed on me. I'm blessed. Thanks Again.
[08:40] <absk007> ^showered
[08:40] <deitarion> Again, no problem. I like to talk. :P
[08:42] <deitarion> Anyway, if you want to develop games and results are what you care about, my advice is to start with a pre-existing game engine rather than writing your own.
[08:42] <absk007> sure.
[08:42] <absk007> like JMonkey
[08:43] <absk007> i gotta go bath. It's 2:10 PM here. You kept me listening to you. You're awesome. Good bye. Talk you later, then.
[08:43] <deitarion> It's 4:43AM here so I'll be going to bed now.
[08:43] <absk007> ok. Good night.
[08:43] <absk007> i mean Good Morning.
[08:43] <absk007> it's very complicated.
[08:44] <absk007> 4:43 AM is morning or night??
[08:44] <deitarion> Very early morning.
[08:44] <absk007> lolz :D
[08:44] <absk007> or late night
[08:44] <deitarion> As in "Almost five hours ago, it was midnight"
[08:45] <absk007> ok. good bye.
[11:07] <comics_idees> I use noobslab to download new software for lubuntu. Are there any other sources similar with noobslab?
[11:15] <absk007> Should i remove "apport"?
[11:17] <comics_idees> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[12:55] <sydney> Does lubuntu use zram by defult?
[12:56] <sydney> !zram lubuntu
[12:56] <sydney> !zram
[12:56] <sydney> !info zram
[12:56] <sydney> :P
[13:29] <joern> !info zram-config
[13:48] <koell> Hi guys. I ve a problem: When I try to install lubuntu on a new thinkpad t440s, i always get the error/exit code 141. i checked the md5sum twice, it is correct. i also updated the uefi/bios before. so whats going wrong with my installation?
[14:19] <absk007> deitarion, i3lock doesn't set image
[15:41] <absk007> what's the release notes for 14.04.1 ?
[15:43] <tsimpson> it's just a new ISO with all the updates from the date of the original release already applied
[15:44] <tsimpson> it's not a new release, just an update milestone
[16:21] <ianorlin> fast /usr will make programs start up faster
[16:38] <suncokret> hello
[16:52] <absk007> Which Additional Driver should i use? http://i.imgur.com/EzG1vnA.png
[16:59] <absk007> how to beep when power low?
[17:02] <suncokret> how is weather in India? :)
[17:02] <absk007> Pale & Raining. Flood in 8 districts.
[17:05] <absk007> suncokret,
[17:05] <absk007> how is there?
[17:08] <suncokret> here is mostly sunny last two days, and last few months was often cloudy and rain
[17:54] <deitarion> absk007: Pass "i3lock -i /path/to/image.png" to xautolock (including the quotes)
[17:56] <deitarion> absk007: ...and keep in mind that it only understands PNG files, so you might need to `convert image.jpg image.png` first.
[17:57] <absk007> deitarion, but the specs say it supported XPM files
[17:57] <absk007> ^docs
[17:57] <absk007> and also mentions about converting 'em
[17:57] <deitarion> absk007: All I know is that `man i3lock` only says PNG and it doesn't support JPEG on my system.
[17:59] <deitarion> absk007: ...and, really, if PNG is supported, don't bother with XPM. PNG is superior in every way.
[17:59] <absk007> deitarion, ok. The image is tiled not in full screen. My res is 1600 x 900. Img. is 1366 x 768
[17:59] <absk007> it won't stretch
[17:59] <absk007> can use convert to expand the res?
[18:00] <deitarion> absk007: Yeah, you can. Do you want to stretch it or pad it out with a solid-color border?
[18:00] <absk007> i wanna stretch it
[18:01] <absk007> deitarion, shall i use -scale?
[18:02] <deitarion> absk007: http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/resize/
[18:03] <deitarion> Read the "Fill Area Flag ('^' flag)" section
[18:23] <Aison> hello
[18:23] <SilverLion> hey airtonix_
[18:23] <SilverLion> aison I meant ;)
[18:23] <Aison> is there a way to see why --configure of a package fails?
[18:23] <Aison> :P
[18:24] <SilverLion> eeeehm. no clue ^^ i am just a newbie myself :(
[18:24] <Aison> I just tried to install ssmtp package (removes lsb-invalid-mta), but it fails at configure
[18:25] <absk007> Aison, probably because it's not configurable
[18:25] <Aison> absk007, the point is, it fails on apt-get install ssmtp
[18:26] <absk007> do "apt-get install -f"
[18:26] <absk007> this does some error check.
[18:27] <Aison> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[18:27] <Aison> that's
[18:27] <Aison> the funny thing is, i'm using ssmtp on my ubuntu servers also, and there it always worked
[18:27] <absk007> dpkg --configure
[18:28] <Aison> only error I can see: hostname: Name or service not known
[18:29] <Aison> hostname works, hostname -f fails
[18:29] <absk007> Aison, i can't help then. Over to phillw
[18:30] <absk007> or someone else.
[18:30] <Aison> just found this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/185070/why-i-get-hostname-name-or-service-not-known-error
[18:30] <Aison> it is pretty old (12.04), but same error
[18:33] <Aison> ok, the solution works also with 14.04 ^^
[18:43] <absk007> Aison, most of the time it works
[19:38] <absk007> how to disable monitor off automatically while VLC is fullscreen?
[19:42] <Mr_Comet> VLC has option?
[19:46] <absk007> Mr_Comet, umm..dunno.
[19:47] <Mr_Comet> check out the options?
[19:47] <Mr_Comet> under VLC
[19:48] <absk007> Mr_Comet, there is this "Disable Screenserver" option. But i don't think it will be of much help coz after 5 mins., i've setup in Pwr Mgmt. to standby my monitor
[19:51] <Mr_Comet> disable pwr mgmt?
[19:51] <Mr_Comet> you have to make a compromise.
[19:52] <Mr_Comet> unless you set a long time delay
[19:52] <Mr_Comet> and move the mouse once awhile
[19:52] <absk007> Mr_Comet, everyone knows that will always work. If you have a problem with a guy, Do you normally cut his/her head off?
[19:52] <Mr_Comet> I play movies on default Gnome mplayer
[19:52] <Mr_Comet> no issues.
[19:53] <Mr_Comet> maybe due to laptop.
[19:53] <absk007> mplayer doesn't play all audios
[19:53] <absk007> i've very limited space constraints.
[19:53] <absk007> only 7.42 GB
[19:54] <absk007> carries my whole OS and all the heavy apps i use
[19:55] <Mr_Comet> i see
[19:57] <Mr_Comet> http://askubuntu.com/questions/291135/how-to-stop-screen-going-black-after-10-min
[19:58] <Mr_Comet> 14.04 bug?
[19:58] <Mr_Comet> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2217836
[19:59] <Mr_Comet> someone has the same issues but with xubuntu
[19:59] <Mr_Comet> Do you have any alternative for VLC?
[20:14] <SilverLion> a) this is LUBUNTU and not xubuntu ;)
[20:15] <SilverLion> b) what's the issue with VLC?
[20:15] <SilverLion> c) have a look at the energy settings in Preferences to check and configure when the screen may go black
[20:15] <Mr_Comet> screen keeps shutting down despite movie running on vlc
[20:16] <SilverLion> yes because the power supply settings do overwrite vlc
[20:27] <phillw> SilverLion: xubuntu and share xscreensaver and xcfe power manager :D
[20:28] <SilverLion> kk


[04:47] <latincanadian> hello community , does anyone here had problems with the keyboard? i have a laptop but the keyboard is changing everytime i restart the computer , sometimes it change to a bigger one and its impossible to work ...
[06:08] <jackdripper> how do i repeat curl requests?
[06:09] <jackdripper> how do i repeat curl requests? like i want to keep running curl ifconfig.me
[06:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:10] <lordievader> jackdripper: The command `watch` repeats commands at a set interval.
[06:16] <jackdripper> thanks i used watch curl ifconfig.me by it put me on a different screen with a lot of info i just want to keep printing the ip
[06:22] <lordievader> You want to silence curl with `-s`, `watch curl -s ifconfig.me`.
[06:22] <jackdripper> thanks
[09:02]  * Euclide vous souhaite une bonne journée
[09:19] <Maik> jackdripper: did you find a solution to your automounting of drives/partions?
[09:19] <Maik> https://askubuntu.com/questions/46588/how-to-automount-ntfs-partitions
[09:24] <jackdripper> yes
[09:25] <jackdripper> i did it Maik thanks anyway :)
[09:26] <Maik> oh great. :)
[09:27] <jackdripper> i followed this https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-properly-automount-a-drive-in-ubuntu-linux/
[09:29] <Maik> nice, thanks for that link. Will bookmak it just in case someone else asks for it.
 Hi anyone know why nvidia driver after frsh install os cant wake up from sleep
 Just show black screen
[12:08] <Maik> @erfan_sta searched on launchpad for bugs? Maybe someone reported it already
[12:09]  * Maik doesn't use nVidia anymore
 @Maik, I search they say change nvidia driver version but i use 460 and 450 has slow performance
 And other cant match with my grapic card
 @IrcsomeBot, Cant intel gpu has slow performance and cant work in most 3d application
[12:15] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:05] <nescius> Hi, i have a wierd issue - psql (and maybe telnet) executed via ssh dont show spaces, so I can't write any sql command as all contain spaces (getting select*fromtable; instead of select * from table;) and googling for space gives a lot of irrelevant nonsence.. help
[14:09] <BluesKaj> !crrosspost | nescius
[14:09] <BluesKaj> !crosspost | nescius
[15:06] <skramer_> Does anybody know if there is a replacement for the Widget Dashboard that existed in KDE 4? It was a really useful feature I'm missing very much.
[15:15] <BluesKaj> skramer_, since kde5 I've been using quicklaunch in the panel, you can add your apps to it
[15:18] <skramer_> BluesKaj: okay, I will try that. Thanks.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> right
 hello guys! i've installed ubuntu 20.10 but I don't get the grub. what to do?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset | @Abir_ben_soltane
 ok i'll try it
 in fact I have windows installed alongside with ubuntu but when i open the pc I'm always directed to windows . I tried to change the order of booting but i get the black grub 2.04 and not the grub that shows the two operationg systems


[02:27] <holycow> hello
[02:27] <holycow> would anyone be able to comment on whether or not backporting nforce drivers to dapper would make sense
[02:28] <holycow> the 405 nforce chipset doesn't seem to be supported until the 2.6.18 kernel (still testing via feisty)
[02:28] <holycow> and it would be nice to have that chipset supported under 2.6.15 if possible
[02:28] <holycow> any comments?
[02:28] <holycow> i would be willing to pay for the work
[02:31] <BenC> holycow: How much? :)
[02:31] <holycow> lol hi BenC
[02:31] <kylem> did you go to space too?
[02:31] <kylem> :P
[02:32] <BenC> holycow: Actually it does make sense, it's just a matter of time and testing
[02:32] <holycow> well i don't know, i guess the question would be if its a reasonable idea and then if someone could kinda go okay it will take x many hours or so we can see if i can afford it
[02:32] <BenC> if it's an easy backport, we can get it into dapper-proposed, and after some testing, move it into dapper proper
[02:32] <holycow> okay reasonable idea taken care of i guess
[02:32] <holycow> i would be willing to test of course
[02:32] <holycow> i have 5 boxen here with that damned chipset ... i didn't do enough research before buying
[02:33] <kylem> holycow, which parts of the chipset? you want forcedeth, intel8x0?
[02:33] <kylem> i can't think of anything else that would be needed...
[02:33] <BenC> yeah, I was going to ask that
[02:33] <kylem> updating forcedeth is a reasonable request.
[02:33] <holycow> kylem, the problem is nothing actually works on it ... not sound, not network card
[02:33] <BenC> kylem: Want to look into the doing the dapper/edgy backport of that?
[02:33] <holycow> nv drivers either but i can get away with vesa
[02:33] <kylem> BenC, yeah, sure.
[02:34] <kylem> i was doing tg3 for edgy-proposed (and then to dapper-proposed) for enablement.
[02:34] <kylem> (and i've already done sky2, so forcedeth should be able to use the same compatibility wrappers i wrote for those two)
[02:34] <holycow> well if you could tell me how many hours of work it is we can see if i can afford it i guess
[02:34] <BenC> holycow: Best bet is to file a bug, target linux-source-2.6.15(dapper-updates) and linux-source-2.6.17(edgy-updates), and provide lspci -vv, lspci -vvn output for the board
[02:34] <holycow> k
[02:35] <BenC> holycow: We can't accept payment for doing work that we are already getting paid to do :)
[02:35] <holycow> oh
[02:35] <holycow> >_>
[02:35] <holycow> thats not a bad proposition :)
[02:35] <holycow> lol
[02:35] <kylem> beer is good if you're ever in the same city though. :)
[02:35] <BenC> you can make a donation to your favorite charity in Kyle's name though
[02:35] <BenC> I think he likes the Good Bear Foundation
[02:35] <holycow> only thing is i kinda need it soonish so was hoping to find out like what the work is like and if anyone can help out i can reciprocate of course
[02:35] <kylem> www.childsplay.org :)
[02:36] <holycow> i can donate indeedy :)
[02:36] <kylem> oh. that's not it.
[02:36] <holycow> i love charities
[02:36] <kylem> www.childsplaycharity.org
[02:36] <kylem> :)
[02:36] <holycow> i work for a company that runs social service programs for the govt here ... i get what that whole thing is about
[02:36] <holycow> i know others are buying this damned board so a lot of good will be solved for them
[02:37] <holycow> lots and lots of posts on the boards about this chipset too
[02:37] <holycow> http://www.asrock.com/product/AM2NF6G-VSTA.htm
[02:37] <holycow> that would be the board
[02:37] <BenC> holycow: Cool, then it is in our best interest to help support it
[02:37] <holycow> NVIDIA NF6100-405 Chipset
[02:37] <kylem> wow. they're on nforce6 already? :)
[02:38] <holycow> BenC, ultimately yeah, i wouldn't expect anyone to really jump on this tho, hence my willingness to help out as well
[02:38] <holycow> kylem, asrock boards arent bad, great for the super cheapies out there
[02:38] <holycow> but i'm thinking of switching to the intel chipset
[02:38] <kylem> oh. the audio should be supported in dapper-updates when it gets uploaded.
[02:38] <BenC> holycow: One thing we support for sure, is Intel chipsets
[02:38] <kylem> daniel chen already supplied backproted patches for that.
[02:39] <holycow> BenC, so you guys would say go with intel chipsets? least headaches?
[02:39] <holycow> is intel good to you guys? supportive or jerks?
[02:39] <holycow> kylem, so i guess you are in the drivers seat here, i'm at your mercy :)
[02:39] <holycow> lol
[02:40] <holycow> getting sound and network card support is really all we need at the moment.  what sort of timeframes/time commitments might this look like?
[02:40] <holycow> i'm not thinking you can have the answer right now :)
[02:40] <kylem> soonish. :)
[02:41] <holycow> okay, how do i keep in touch?
[02:42] <kylem> best way is to do what benc asked, file a bug, target linux-source-2.6.15 and -2.6.17, and provide the lspci -vv and lspci -vvn (in seperate plain-text attachments preferably)
[02:42] <BenC> holycow: This channel is where we dwell
[02:42] <holycow> and let me know what you think is a fair donation to the charity, it should reflect something in the way of fairness for the work
[02:42] <holycow> kylem, oh okay
[02:42] <holycow> in other words not in the  next few days of course but probably couple of weeks is typical way of dealing with this?
[02:43] <kylem> well, for an official fix it might be a while, but i can give you a test kernel in a day or so.
[02:43] <BenC> holycow: If you really want to do that (and it's not required) then wait till the work is done, and base the donation on work performed
[02:43] <holycow> that would be fine too, i will install separate supported network cards in the mean time.
[02:44] <holycow> kylem, test kernel would be fine :)
[02:44] <holycow> kylem, i didn't realize you had to make a new kernel, isn't everything modular?  no matter just curious
[02:44] <holycow> BenC, cool i'll be here
[02:45] <holycow> submitting bug now
[02:54] <holycow> haveto make sure i have current dapper updates to give the correct lspci info
[03:23] <BenC> holycow: lspci shouldn't change with whatever system you are running
[03:23] <holycow> okay. right makes sense
[03:26] <kylem> BenC, well, pci.ids would for decoding it.
[03:27] <BenC> eh, we go by the -n output for driver matching anyway :)
[03:27] <kylem> right.
[03:29] <holycow> okay logged in ... forgot my launchpad pass for a bit
[03:29] <holycow> :)
[03:29] <holycow> am i posting a bug for a specific package?
[03:29] <holycow> oh nm
[03:30] <holycow> linux-source-2.6.15 and -2.6.17,
[03:30] <holycow> got it
[03:37] <holycow> #74745
[03:39] <holycow> #7476
[03:39] <holycow> oops
[03:39] <holycow> #74746
[03:41] <holycow> allrighty, i hope that is helpfull
[03:41] <holycow> i'm greatfull you guys are willing to look into this
[03:41] <holycow> kylem, thanks again
[03:44] <BenC> holycow: You only need one bug report
[03:45] <holycow> :/ sorry
[03:45] <holycow> lets see if i can delete/close one
[03:45] <kylem> we can merge them, it's fine.
[03:45] <holycow> coolness
[03:46] <holycow> thanks guys, greatly appreciate it
[03:46] <holycow> i'm gonna get some sleep, if you need me feel free to msg me to test or whatever
[05:10] <kylem> git is so much more pleasant when you give it its own u320 15krpm spindle to play on.
[05:11] <infinity> And sex is more pleasant when you're not covered in paper cuts and dipped in lemon juice.
[05:11] <infinity> Tell us something we don't know. :)
[05:12] <kylem> unless you're into that sort of thing.
[05:12] <infinity> If you are, you've crossed the line from "fetish" to "need your head checked".
[05:14] <BenC> kylem: I've found that a raid5 with 4 10k drives works well too
[05:15] <BenC> sucks when min hw req for a command line program exceeds that of vista :)
[05:15] <infinity> Stop it.  You guys are upsetting my poor little laptop drive.
[05:15] <kylem> 714M    ../nfs-shite.diff
[05:15] <infinity> It has feelings, you know.
[05:15] <kylem> ok. git whatchanged -p ${sha} >../foo.diff didn't do what i hoped ;-)
[05:15] <BenC> infinity: atleast it can say it doesn't need a small nuclear plant to power itself
[05:15] <BenC> kylem: git-diff-tree -p <sha>
[05:16] <kylem> BenC, diff sha^..sha works too.
[05:17] <BenC> I'm about to shoot 2.6.20
[05:17] <BenC> in 2.6.17+ there's a pci quirk that reserves 0x1f0 ioport for libata
[05:18] <BenC> and when ata_piix loads, it assumes this pre-reserved space, and pci_request_regions() plays nicely
[05:19] <BenC> in 2.6.20 however, pci_request_regions() is now complaining that it's EBUSY
[05:19] <BenC> even though the code from pci_request_regions() on down to __request_resource() hasn't changed
[05:19] <BenC> and ata_init_one() hasn't changed either
[05:20] <BenC> I'm going to need to do full bisect to figure this shit out
[05:23] <kylem> ick.
[05:35] <lifeless> meep
[06:32] <Catshrimp> I realize this is a developement area (not support), but I was hoping someone could point me to a better place to ask this question.  I'm thinking maybe it's because the vga or vesa modules might not have been compiled into the kernel, but upon setting the vga= flag to my boot options, the screen remains blank throughout most of the boot process and I was wondering why.  No one in #ubuntu seems to know.
[06:33] <infinity> Catshrimp: Which release?
[06:34] <infinity> Catshrimp: And do you have any virtual consoles once the machine is done booting? (Ctrl-Alt-F1)
[06:34] <infinity> Catshrimp: For the record, #ubuntu is the right place to ask this sort of thing, but whatever.  I'm feeling generous today.
[06:35] <Catshrimp> infinity: Thanks.  The 6.06 release.  And It does show that I have multiple virtual consoles (I believe up to 6)
[06:35] <Catshrimp> I only see the end of the boot process (starting at networking)
[06:40] <infinity> Catshrimp: Okay, that has nothing to do with the kernel or the modules not being present/loaded, then, since clearly they work to drive the console.
[06:40] <infinity> Catshrimp: Anything beyond that (like why you feel you're not seeing as much as you should) can head to #ubuntu to be argued. :)
[06:42] <Catshrimp> infinity: no problem. I'll take it back to #ubuntu.  Though I just want you to know that I wasn't debating the modules weren't there.  I was wondering if maybe them being installed as loadable modules rather than being compiled into the kernel would cause them to be loaded late, and thus provide no output until loaded.
[06:42] <infinity> Catshrimp: They certainly won't provide output until loaded, this is true.
[06:43] <infinity> Catshrimp: Oh, wait.  You're not using usplash (or any splash).
[06:43] <infinity> Catshrimp: That's a dapper bug.
[06:43] <infinity> Catshrimp: vga= is meant to load vesafb in the initramfs, but in dapper, it only does so if you also have "splash" on the command line.
[06:43] <infinity> Catshrimp: There.  Mystery solved.
[06:44] <infinity> Catshrimp: I've never bothered to propose a fix to dapper-updates, since the bug is purely cosmetic, and not the sort of thing most people would ever care about (most people who use "vga=" tend to also be the sorts of users who would have usplash installed... places without usplash, like servers, tend to not use framebuffers at all, to avoid possible instability issues)
[06:45] <Catshrimp> infinity: Not quite.  Splash present.  Tell you what, I'll check out .config and then compile a custom kernel.  Then if it's fixed, I'll let you know so that you guys can take whatever course of action you deem desirable.
[06:46] <infinity> Catshrimp: Err, but if the splash is present, I'm heartily confused about the issue, since it sounded like you were referring to textual feedback.
[06:46] <infinity> (And there's no way usplash would even run without some sort of framebuffer being enabled)
[06:46] <Catshrimp> infinity: yep, textual.  it'll be a server, just want to be able to see what I'm doing without HUGE font :).
[06:47] <Catshrimp> The only thing I edited in the original menu.lst was to add vga=792 to the kernel line.
[06:47] <Catshrimp> infinity: let me do what I said and see if the problem is corrected.    I misremembered the bug, though.
[06:49] <infinity> Catshrimp: Are you using a custom kernel, or one of ours, currently?
[06:50] <Catshrimp> The VESA and VGA modules are both compiled as loadable as I thought.  Now, what is the name of the splash that you are talking of?  I don't get any feedback when I query SPLASH or USPLASH in the config
[06:50] <Catshrimp> infinity: no, this is a basic install, nothing extra yet
[06:50] <infinity> Catshrimp: Kay, if it's one of our kernels, then it's not the bug I was thinking of.
[06:51] <infinity> Catshrimp: Anyhow, feel free to hash it out with others on #ubuntu, and if you find a real bug, file it.
[06:51] <Catshrimp> infinity: no problem.  i'll hopefully be able to contribute more to the project than minor bugs here in a couple months :)
[09:02] <BenC> kylem: Ping, #ubuntu-meeting
[11:05] <Keybuk> oh, cool, .20 does away with struct class_device
[11:45] <thom> Keybuk: will this crack udev stuff mean that udev handles setting sysctls also?
[11:46] <Keybuk> thom: crack udev stuff? :p
[11:47] <thom> the devices/drivers stuff
[11:48] <Keybuk> it's been the plan for a while to move sysctl setting to a udev rule
[11:48] <Keybuk> but needs the fix to the uevent ordering as well
[11:49] <thom> right
[11:50] <thom> cool
[12:56] <gebruiker> what modules are still missing?
[02:04] <gnomefreak> is there any reason why there is no safe mode kernels listed anymore? and would pcmcia be kernel issue or upstart or somethng else?
[03:04] <zul> morning
[03:16] <kylem> it is indeed morning.
[03:17] <kylem> for the second time today.
[03:18] <zul> heh oh yeah you had the meeting this morning how was it?
[03:18] <gebruiker> i want the 2.6.19 latency kernel for edgy
[03:18] <gebruiker> how can I build it on my system?
[03:18] <gebruiker> I assume just modifying stuff in control? (i.e the libc6..)
[03:18] <gebruiker> what further?
[03:19] <gebruiker> s/latency/lowlatency
[03:24] <zul> kylem: flu shots are fun..
[03:26] <kylem> tired.
[03:27] <zul> go have a knap then no one will notice ;)
[03:40] <BenC> kylem: I got 3 hours of sleep, how about you?
[03:40] <zul> hey ben
[03:41] <kylem> heh. pretty much the same.
[03:46] <BenC> hey zul
[03:46] <BenC> kylem: for future reference, it's ok if you sleep in the morning following a meeting like that :)
[03:48] <BenC> 4 revs left on the ata_piix debacle
[03:50] <dade`> haha
[04:04] <kylem> :)
[04:07] <dade`> BenC: is the ata_piix stuff about sleep support ?
[04:08] <BenC> no, it's about not working on my box in 2.6.20pre :)
[04:09] <dade`> /o\
[04:19] <zul> still funny: http://geekz.co.uk/blog/2006/08/26/gpl-nuances
[04:30] <Keybuk> BenC: heh, oh, you're a *nice* manager then? :p
[04:31] <Keybuk> I had the 8am meeting, and have a 10pm phone call
[04:31] <Keybuk> *stretch that body clock*
[04:31] <BenC> lol
[04:32] <BenC> Keybuk: btw, your email on the plan was dead on
[04:32] <Keybuk> good-o
[04:32] <BenC> I finally got ata_piix working, so after I make my P4 stop softlocking, I'll start the kernel implementation
[04:33] <Keybuk> sweet
[04:33] <Keybuk> I'm happy to do lots of testing of your implementation
[04:33] <Keybuk> making sure all the uevents are nice
[04:33] <Keybuk> I assume you'll be basing it on .20 ?
[04:35] <kylem> BenC, which commit ended up breaking it?
[04:36] <BenC> kylem: Unfortunately I wasted my time finding a bug that was already known
[04:36] <BenC> it was an Alan Cox patch to "cleanup legacy PCI quirks"
[04:37] <zul> hah
[04:37] <zul> i say cut AC out
[04:37] <BenC> the fix was just posted yesterday, so I just missed it
[04:38] <BenC> zul: Yeah, who needs those long-haired hippies
[04:38] <zul> damn straight...oh wait...
[04:38] <zul> you are a long haired hippie
[04:38] <kylem> BenC, ah, ouch.
[04:39] <zul> like those hairy beard hippies?
[04:43] <gebruiker> hi guys
[04:43] <gebruiker> how do I just build kernel-headers for lowlatency?
[04:46] <pmjdebruijn> heh?
[04:46] <pmjdebruijn> dat heeft geen zin zeg maar
[04:46] <pmjdebruijn> hoezo?
[04:47] <pmjdebruijn> oh sorry
[04:47] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, that has no use? why would you want to do that?
[04:48] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, ?
[04:48] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KernelCustomBuild
[04:48] <gebruiker> i installed 2.6.19 fine
[04:48] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[04:48] <gebruiker> now I just want the kernel headers
[04:49] <pmjdebruijn> how did you install it?
[04:49] <pmjdebruijn> did you package 2.6.19?
[04:49] <pmjdebruijn> anyway, you should
[04:49] <gebruiker> added feisty to sources.list apt-get isntall lowlatency...
[04:49] <gebruiker> it just isntalled the kernel en restricted modules
[04:49] <gebruiker> it boots and works fine
[04:49] <pmjdebruijn> oh
[04:49] <pmjdebruijn> feisty
[04:49] <gebruiker> now I need just the headers so I can build some wifi modules for my card
[04:50] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, you need to build your own debs
[04:50] <zul> BenC: you have a wiki page now apparently
[04:50] <gebruiker> i don't want to upgrade my libc6
[04:50] <pmjdebruijn> or just feisty's own debs
[04:50] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, you're either running edgy or feisty
[04:50] <gebruiker> i still want to run edgy but just not the 2.6.17
[04:50] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, nothing in between, that'll give you a boatload of problems
[04:50] <gebruiker> in debian I always had the possiblity to apt-pin
[04:50] <BenC> zul: I thought I always had one...with a few lines about the DPL
[04:50] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, that's not really on option
[04:50] <gebruiker> pmjdebruijn, can i just build headers now?
[04:50] <zul> BenC: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BenCollins
[04:51] <gebruiker> i have inovked apt-get source headers
[04:51] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, not as far as I know... but I'm not an expert
[04:51] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, you're basically breaking your system now, though...
[04:51] <zul> whoever okaratas is
[04:51] <BenC> zul: Just my luck, bad english wiki entry :)
[04:51] <gebruiker> well actually linux-headers doesn't contain any binaries right?
[04:51] <pmjdebruijn> right
[04:52] <gebruiker> and 2.6.19 runs fine all programs work fine etc.. etc..
[04:52] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, if you package your custom kernel, the appropriate headers will be generated automatically
[04:52] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, sigh... but installing stuff breaks!
[04:52] <gebruiker> yes I know i did that with 2.6.18
[04:52] <zul> BenC: heh its a little shrine :)
[04:52] <gebruiker> but 2.6.18 with usb devices made my kernel panic
[04:52] <kylem> BenC, apparently you're the developer of ubuntu. enjoy.
[04:52] <gebruiker> and i choose ubuntu for a reason
[04:52] <kylem> :)
[04:52] <gebruiker> so i don't have to waste so much time compiling stuff
[04:52] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, file bugs
[04:53] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, anyway, you can make your own debs of 2.6.19 also
[04:53] <gebruiker> so I can't just make-kpkg kernel-headers?
[04:53] <pmjdebruijn> installing a feisty kernel on edgy is a bad idea
[04:53] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, no
[04:53] <gebruiker> or can I just invoke dpkg-rebuildpackage -fakeroot -us -uc ?
[04:53] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, you need to build your kernel and headers, to do it properly
[04:53] <gebruiker> so it would build against my edgy libc?
[04:53] <BenC> kylem: I so rock
[04:53] <kylem> hehe.
[04:53] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, what does your libc have to do with it?
[04:54] <kylem> and/or roll?
[04:54] <gebruiker> with headers? nothing
[04:54] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, anyway, remove the 2.6.19 and your feisty sources/packages@
[04:54] <pmjdebruijn> then roll your own 2.6.19+headers for edgy
[04:54] <gebruiker> pmjdebruijn, what about the patches that are applied for 2.6.19?
[04:55] <pmjdebruijn> gebruiker, if you read the wiki, you can apply them too
[04:57] <BenC> linux-source-2.6.20-2.6.20$ rgrep INIT_WORK ubuntu/ | wc -l
[04:57] <BenC> 72
[05:02] <kylem> most of them shouldn't be too hard to fix.
[05:03] <kylem> i'm still dubious whether that patchset will remain.
[05:04] <kylem> it's broken by design on a bunch of platforms... (it uses cmpxchg)
[06:01] <kylem> BenC, i'm willing to bet that a whole whack of those are in ipw*.c
[06:01] <holycow> hello
[06:25] <kylem> paravirt is in.
[06:28] <zul> sweet!!
[06:30] <zul> buh bye hair pulling
[06:37] <kylem> damn, this is one big ass pull. it's been 4 minutes and i'm still generating a pack file.
[06:39] <zul> are we going to get ext4 for feisty? ;)
[06:41] <kylem> die.
[06:44] <zul> hehe
[06:45] <kylem> * refs/heads/linus: fast forward to branch 'master' of hera.kernel.org:/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6
[06:45] <kylem> it works so much better when you cut the mirrors out of the equation.
[06:46] <kylem> where by "better" i mean "at all"
[06:50] <dade`> ext4 is already in .19
[07:22] <holycow> malone is pretty darned cool
[07:33] <joefso> does the kernel-source from feitsy already contain the patches?
[07:35] <joefso> how can I view the changelog of the kernel that is in git a.t.m?
[07:36] <dade`> look in the debian/ dir
[07:37] <dade`> and yes, there are patches too
[07:37] <dade`> if you pulled the git source
[07:37] <joefso> does kernel-source contain them? Are they already applied?
[07:37] <zul> no
[07:38] <joefso> git has?
[07:38] <joefso> so I don't see anywhere on the wikipedia how to get the git linux from ubuntu tree
[07:38] <zul> no it doesnt have the new ext4 patches
[07:38] <dade`> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide
[07:39] <dade`> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild read this too
[07:40] <joefso> what is so special about the lowlatency kernel? I.e what patches are applied?
[07:40] <dade`> zul i have a .19 vanilla with ext4, why ?
[07:40] <dade`> joefso: i only know that uses HZ=1000 and real preemption
[07:41] <zul> dade`: im talking about the patches from today for ext4
[07:41] <joefso> real preemption? -rt patch?
[07:41] <dade`> no, RT are real time patches
[07:41] <joefso> you consider -rt ready for production?
[07:42] <joefso> does nobody consider real time patches ready for production?
[07:42] <dade`> boh
[07:43] <joefso> ?
[07:43] <dade`> don't know, I'll try those 'cause I'm a musician. But now I don't know
[07:43] <joefso> what's your opinon on -ck patchset?
[07:44] <dade`> what are you a bot ?
[07:44] <joefso> could it made into ubuntu repository?
[07:44] <bronson> joefso: most people wouldn't even notice if RT is enabled on their system.  Unless it crashes.
[07:45] <joefso1> i mean
[07:45] <joefso1> it would be nice if it would
[07:46] <joefso1> unless you would say there is no bennifit for community
[07:53] <bronson> I've just merged linux-vserver into BenC's Edgy git tree.  It looks great except my kernel is named linux-image-2.6.17-10-ref-generic_<IP_ADDRESS>-10.34_i386.deb
[07:53] <bronson> How can I change that -ref- to -vserver-2.2.0- ?
[07:53] <bronson> (kernel *packages* are named...)
[07:56] <bronson> I followed the instructions in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild of course.
[07:57] <kylem> bronson, which set of insns?
[07:57] <kylem> the "building the kernel"?
[07:58] <bronson> kylem: yes, AUTOBUILD=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-debs
[08:20] <zul> BenC: ping http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/virtualization/2006-December/001828.html
[08:42] <bronson> No word on how to change "-ref-" in custom-compiled kernel packages?
[09:00] <bronson> When I build the kernel, I don't get a .changes file.
[09:00] <bronson> That makes it harder to use dput.  Am I missing something obvious here...?
[09:48] <BenC> bronson: AUTOBUILD=1 dpkg-buildpackage ...
[09:49] <zul> BenC: when you get a chance can you pull from linus
[09:50] <BenC> zul: So hopefully the only thing you'll be building is a dom0 xen kernel?
[09:50] <zul> yep
[09:51] <zul> probably going to be linux-image-2.6.20-xen or soemthing like that
[09:51] <kylem> BenC, i started fixing up the INIT_WORK stuff
[09:52] <zul> the vmware stuff can probably go into -generic
[09:52] <BenC> kylem: Ok, I'm taking care of ipw3945 since it's the biggest (ab)user
[09:52] <kylem> er. he.
[09:52] <kylem> that's what i was doing, ok. will hit something else.
[09:52] <BenC> no no, keep doing 3945 :)
[09:52] <BenC> have you started?
[09:52] <kylem> (i was looking at ipw3945 anyways, because i want to make it print something more useful when ipw3945d isn't running)
[09:52] <kylem> yeah
[09:53] <BenC> I've done everything except convert the = data to container_of
[09:53] <kylem> oh. might as well continue then.
[09:53] <zul> for ipw3945 can you check to see if the firmware is loaded and if not tell the user to install linux-restricted?
[09:54] <BenC> zul: The firmwar is in the main kernel
[09:54] <kylem> right.
[09:54] <BenC> it's ipw3945d that needs to be checked
[09:54] <kylem> it's a pity we can't get it built against uclibc or something.
[09:54] <kylem> so we could put it in initramfs and just run it from a thread
[09:55] <BenC> kylem: Thing is the module loads before ipw3945d...are you adding a timer to check if it gets started?
[09:56] <kylem> BenC, i'm not sure yet, the thing doesn't register_netdev until ipw3945d is running (because they, for some reason, don't want the WEXT ioctls to fail)
[09:56] <BenC> kylem: I've heard Intel plans on releasing a new driver where all of ipw3945d is in firmware
[09:56] <kylem> yeah, keithp has told me similar.
[09:56] <BenC> the time frame is here things start to get sketchy :)
[09:56] <BenC> s/here/where/
[09:56] <kylem> indeed.
[09:57] <kylem> lol.
[09:57] <kylem> nice nap.
[10:00] <zul_> damn it kicked the powerswitch
[10:01] <zul> i was just thinking of way to cut down on the bugs in launchpad
[10:01] <kylem> oh jesus.
[10:01] <joefso> i got the kernel from git, and I have read both wiki pages(how to get from git, how to build customize kernel) however, where does it say, how to apply all i386 patches for ubuntu on the git tree? Like speakup etc.. etc..
[10:02] <mjg59> joefso: They're applied already
[10:02] <mjg59> If you've got the ubuntu kernel
[10:03] <joefso> I got ubuntu-2.6.git ubuntu-2.6
[10:03] <mjg59> Right
[10:03] <mjg59> The patches aren't available separately
[10:03] <mjg59> They're already integrated into the tree
[10:05] <joefso> So all patches are already applied?
[10:05] <joefso> :)
[10:05] <joefso> No need, if they are applied them I'm fine with it
[10:05] <joefso> great :)
[10:17] <zul> later
[10:58] <bronson> BenC: thanks, I'll give it a shot.
[10:59] <kylem> BenC, oh god, some of these drivers make me cry.
[11:00] <BenC> kylem: They are horrible ugly
[11:01] <kylem> should measure vendor submissions in approximate viro-curses.
[11:18] <BenC> kylem: Have you started on rt2x00?
[11:18] <BenC> if not, I'll move on to that
[11:19] <kylem> no
[11:19] <kylem> i've got everything but that and ipw3945 now
[11:19] <kylem> going through what i've changed and making sure i've caught all the prototypes. :/
[11:21] <gnomefreak> is ther ea reason we dropped the safe mode kernel in feisty?
[11:21] <gnomefreak> s/ther ea/there a
[11:37] <BenC>         INIT_WORK(&master->toggle_work, &rfkill_toggle_radio, NULL);
[11:37] <BenC>         INIT_WORK(&master->poll_work, &rfkill_list_poll, NULL);
[11:39] <kylem> there's some doozies in rt2x00.
[11:41] <kylem> http://people.ubuntu.com/~kyle/workqueue-ubuntu.diff
[11:45] <BenC> kylem: Thanks
[11:46] <kylem> i didn't build test though, you get to keep both pieces of anything breaks. ;-)
[11:46] <BenC> hehe
[11:47] <BenC> son of a bitch
[11:48] <BenC> yeah, I see what you mean about rt2x00
[11:49] <bronson> I just got a warning that my git tree is in a directory of the wrong name.  Scrolled by before I could copy it.
[11:49] <bronson> Is this important?
[11:50] <bronson> Should I keep BenC's git tree in "linux-source-2.6.17-XX" instead of my current "ubuntu-2.6.17"?
[11:50] <BenC> it's just a warning, ignor eit
[11:52] <bronson> cool, thanks.


[20:17] <BUGabundo> ola
[20:30] <fta> quiet
[20:31] <BUGabundo> STAU ?
[20:37] <fta> trying to find out how badly my primary hd is fragmented after so many years
[20:38] <fta> still ext2
[20:38] <BUGabundo> errr
[20:38] <BUGabundo> I bet 11% MAX
[20:38] <BUGabundo> tune2fs -O something
[20:38] <BUGabundo> will do it
[20:38] <BUGabundo> and fsck -vf*D* /dev/sda1
[20:39] <BUGabundo> for dir organisarion
[20:39] <BUGabundo> and you are done fta
[21:59] <fta> BUGabundo, trying fidefrag, it just try to degrag by doing copies, but just after a few files, it seems to work
[21:59] <fta> -try+tries
[22:00] <fta> it puts my desktop on its knees so i stopped it and will retry during the night
[22:38] <BUGabundo> eheh I bet fta
[22:38] <BUGabundo> IO is a killer
[22:39] <fta> for as far i can remember, linux has always been bad at doing lots of i/o, compared to other u*xes
[22:47] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:47] <BUGabundo> tip: sudo ionice -c3 --pid


[00:06] <k1l> that is a really bad way of running #freenode, imho. i see a lot more people asking their freenode questions in #ubuntu since they dont get voiced in #freenode.
[00:07] <dax> That opinion has been expressed to staff and is one I agree with. They tend to not.
[00:07] <dax> The answer is "then do /stats p and talk to staff directly". I get ignored when I point out staff often aren't on there, with data.
[00:08] <dax> Add that to them deliberately keeping documentation about e.g. channel modes off the website, and you get Fun Times.
[00:09] <dax> (because it's in the IRCd help. except the IRCd help is wrong because it's bad at optional modules)
[00:10] <k1l> yep
[01:05] <elky> the new staffers are at least temporarily good at putting themselves in /stats p, so it'll be interesting to see how long that lasts.
[01:07] <dax> aye, that's the usual way of it
[03:30] <dax> !away > Saulo
[15:58] <genii> Weird, I wonder what happened to automatic spam control in there
[16:12] <Pici> Unit193: ^
[16:22] <Myrtti> maybe it waited for Sigyn to act?
[16:22] <Myrtti> idk
[16:31] <Unit193> Slow spam, I should likely correct that a bit.
[17:13] <tgm4883> Uh, weird request. Can someone come deal with HankTheAi in #ubuntu
[17:16] <ikonia> of course
[23:16] <k1l_> !guidelines
[23:25] <k1l_> Valkyrie115> I don't recall what the command was though
[23:25] <k1l_> i can hardly believe he is not trolling
[23:31] <genii> It does seem difficult, yes
[23:43] <tortib> i've been banned for about 6 months now was wondering when that's going to let up
[23:48] <dax> Hi tortib. Which channel?


[05:52] <mapps> mapserver!
[08:31] <foobarry> morning
[08:33] <foobarry> Windows 7 shows higher infection rates than XP in last quarter of 2013
[09:07] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:08] <popey> yo
[09:11] <brobostigon> morning popey
[09:35] <bashrc> morning
[09:40]  * Laney zzzzzzzz
[11:13] <MooDoo> hello all
[11:15] <Armag3dd0n1> who's from Birmingham?
[11:16] <MooDoo> Not me
[11:20] <Armag3dd0n1> me either ;)
[11:36] <Laney> who's not from birmingham
[11:36] <Laney> ME
[11:36] <MooDoo> me
[11:36] <penguin42> me
[11:37]  * penguin42 has been there once
[11:37] <Laney> "oh god new street ARGH RUN AWAY" was my experience
[11:37] <penguin42> haha yes
[12:00] <penguin42> tbf outside of new street it's better
[12:29] <robotninja> I haven't been back for a while, sadly - not to the city centre, at least. But most of it wasn't /that/ bad.
[12:30] <robotninja> except for New St, aka Mordor Central.
[15:28] <Armag3dd0n1> broke my ubuntu again :/
[15:33] <ali1234> i bought system shock 2 on humble bundle. this game is a massive disappointment
[15:34] <ali1234> deus ex is way better
[15:43] <ali1234> cool, i found a bug in steam
[15:44] <ali1234> if you idle a bunch of games in windowed mode to get the trading cards, when you actually get a trading card the notification window that pops up will crash all your games, steam, and dbus, all at once
[15:44] <ali1234> and also /bin/sleep
[16:01] <Saur0> hi what is the best way to remove packages?
[16:01] <Saur0> i've used apt-get purge
[16:03] <shauno> what's purge not doing that you expect it to?
[16:03] <Saur0> just want to make sure there is nothing left behind
[16:03] <Saur0> i'm having trouble configuring postfix
[16:04] <Saur0> i've just purged it and going to start again
[16:05] <shauno> purge will remove any config files that the package created.  it's difficult for apt to clean up things that it(/dpkg) didn't create
[16:06] <Saur0> fair enough just wanted to check purge was the recomended way
[16:10] <Saur0> hmm worked first time after reinatalling
[16:24] <Saur0> when i run sudo apt-get install dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d I get errors
[16:24] <Saur0> cannot creat /etc/dovecot/conf.d/20-pop3.conf
[16:24] <Saur0> no such file
[17:43] <Saur0> I don't think this is up todate --> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot
[17:44] <Saur0> should the last bit still be added to dovecot.conf for thunderbird?
[18:50] <mapps> yea some of community isnt i noticed too Saur0
[20:47] <maps|wrk> o hai
[21:12] <maps|wrk> pretty quiet here
[21:14] <brobostigon> evening maps|wrk
[21:15] <maps|wrk> evening brobostigon , upto much?
[21:16] <brobostigon> avoiding a certain political european pop music contest.
[21:17] <brobostigon> listening to the QI podcast insted, :)
[21:18] <maps|wrk> hahahaha fair enough
[21:18] <maps|wrk> ive not got it on either..cant stand it, awful rubbish
[21:18] <maps|wrk> its like a joke really imo
[21:19] <brobostigon> pretty much, yes, its all about politics than being any good, you could be the next queen, and still loose.
[21:20] <maps|wrk> yep, most the songs are awful, i always tohught it was a joke, dont get why it gets such an auidence
[21:21] <maps|wrk> has anyone ever gone on euvision and had a successful career after
[21:21] <brobostigon> good question,
[21:28] <robotninja> I think Abba scraped a few quid out of the years after they did it ;)
[21:30] <shauno> I'm pretty convinced it's a drinking game, not a competition
[21:31] <brobostigon> that would make it somewhat more enjoyable, not i support heavy drinking.
[21:32] <shauno> one of my better, hazier memories of living with a bunch of erasmus students was eurovision.  and I use the term 'memory' losely
[21:32] <brobostigon> i see, lol.
[21:33] <shauno> I miss being young & stupid.   'just stupid' is nowhere near as catchy
[21:33] <maps|wrk> haha
[21:33] <brobostigon> its overrated.
[21:41] <maps|wrk> agree
[22:19] <maps|wrk> looks like austria got it sealed up
[22:19] <maps|wrk> gsm
[22:20] <brobostigon> atleast the uk are getting somwehere for once.
[22:24] <maps|wrk> we did?:)
[22:24] <maps|wrk> 40pts
[22:24] <maps|wrk> lol
[22:25] <brobostigon> yep