[00:32] <slangasek> RAOF: because it's a binary sync, there's no room for SRU bugs to be added; so it's out-of-process
[00:32] <RAOF> slangasek: Fair enough. I guess you shepherd it through?
[00:33] <slangasek> I can, yes
[00:37] <RAOF> I was more thinking the post-acceptance shepherding, but that's good too :)
[00:45] <slangasek> :)
[01:03] <RAOF> slangasek: Oh, thinking of binary syncs - trusty-unapproved has a unity-control-center sync from a landing PPA. I went to review it, but as far as I can tell the source is inaccessible to me (the landing PPA has had all its contents wiped many times over since that sync was proposed).
[01:04] <RAOF> I presume that launchpad has the relevant bits refcounted somewhere; do you know how to access them to do a review?
[01:04] <slangasek> RAOF: if I'm not mistaken, you can do a 'queue fetch' to grab the source?
[01:04] <cjwatson> I'm not even sure it's processable any more in that case
[01:04] <slangasek> you just can't get a diff
[01:04] <cjwatson> Copies aren't properly refcounted, which is part of the slightly-amorphous "Soyuz queue redesign" item on the LP stakeholders agenda
[01:05] <cjwatson> But you can try "queue fetch"; if that doesn't work the sync is probably dead
[01:05] <cjwatson> And somebody should poke the CI Train folks and/or the silo owner for allowing that silo to be cleaned in advance of the sync being processed
[01:08] <slangasek> robru: ^^ the silo process should already provide guidance regarding this case, I think?
[01:09] <infinity> Yeah, they're aware of this.  They often prod directly for reviews when silo space is getting low.
[01:09] <infinity> So someone cleared that one by accident, I'd guess.
[01:10]  * RAOF learns about the queue tool
[01:10] <robru> slangasek: what are we talking about? An sru? If the silo isn't present it was likely freed or abandoned...
[01:10] <cjwatson> I can't check the citrain logs for who did it, since I think it was before the last redeployment
[01:10] <RAOF> So, queue only seems to be able to grab the _source.changes; is it expected to grab the full source package?
[01:10] <slangasek> robru: yes, an SRU; silos aren't meant to be freed before the SRU is accepted, I believe?
[01:10] <cjwatson> RAOF: Yes, but it's not going to be able to here.  The only thing to do is to reject it.
[01:10] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-001/+packages?field.name_filter=unity-control-center&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=
[01:10] <infinity> It might still be there, however.
[01:11] <cjwatson> Hm, really?
[01:11]  * cjwatson looks
[01:11] <cjwatson> That's just a historical record, no still-present files attached.
[01:11] <infinity> Nope, it's dead.
[01:11] <infinity> Yeah.
[01:11] <robru> slangasek: RAOF: yeah the silo should not have been freed. If the silo is gone if say just skip it, is the landers responsibility to make a new silo
[01:11] <slangasek> robru: I mean: it's important that the silo not be freed for an in-process SRU until the SRU is accepted; and I believe this is the understood process already
[01:11]  * slangasek nods
[01:11] <infinity> RAOF: Reject it, it's all you can do.
[01:11] <RAOF> Yeah, I could find the build logs, but they had no active links.
[01:11] <RAOF> infinity: Already done.
[01:11] <RAOF> Also, yay for learning about the queue command.
[01:12] <RAOF> That's going to make processing SRU syncs much nicer!
[01:12] <cjwatson> As far as Soyuz internals go, the unapproved copy is basically not a lot more than an archive, series, package name, and version
[01:12] <robru> RAOF: what silo was this? It's been over a month since i freed an SRU due to being low on silos
[01:12] <cjwatson> robru: ubuntu/landing-001
[01:12] <RAOF> robru: silo 001
[01:12] <slangasek> having queue diffs for syncs would be nicer yet, but yes, 'queue' does in a pinch :)
[01:13] <cjwatson> And this is basically the same reason that proper queue diffs for copies are currently a hard problem
[01:13] <robru> Hmmmmmmm yeah i think it was me that freed that one, strange you guys are just noticing now.
[01:13] <RAOF> slangasek: Well, my previous method was to go to the relevant PPA and fiddle around to wget the links. :)
[01:13] <infinity> queue diffs will come with soyuz redesign.  Feel free to put more pressure on people outside Foundations to understand the importance of that. :P
[01:13] <cjwatson> LP would have to basically process the first half of the copy to track down the publications involved
[01:13] <infinity> RAOF: wget?  Not even dget?  Heathen.
[01:14] <RAOF> infinity: Last time I tried it, dget fails from PPAs because of annoying url reasons?
[01:14] <infinity> RAOF: Also, depending on your bandwidth, you still might want to navigate-and-dget/wget, since "queue fetch" will grab the *entire* copy, including binaries.
[01:14] <cjwatson> queue fetch --source
[01:14] <cjwatson> HTH
[01:14] <RAOF> Learning all round!
[01:14] <infinity> Oh, yeah, there are some LP pages that fail miserably at dget.
[01:14] <robru> slangasek: i freed that one back when we only had 30 silos and there was a huge crunch. It'll need to be redone unfortunately.
[01:15] <robru> Whoever was on charge of that did a poor job of following through with it, i freed it because it sat on a silo for 2 months
[01:15] <cjwatson> infinity: The thing is that it's almost impossible to communicate to people without doing the "write up requirements properly" part of the redesign.  I hear that you and William were making some progress on that ...
[01:15] <infinity> cjwatson: We were making progress on scheduling a time to make progress on it...
[01:16] <infinity> cjwatson: We might need to form a committee to help find a time.
[01:16] <cjwatson> Ha.  Pls to be doing it soon so that I stop having to indirectly fend off annoyed stakeholders who think it's too high up our agenda :P
[01:17] <infinity> cjwatson: I was kinda hoping you and little Willy would flesh it out without much need for input from me, since you've been on both sides of the fence and know what sucks, and he knows how it needs to be unsucked.
[01:18] <cjwatson> I'm happy to try to help, but every time I ask I hear you have the baton :)
[01:19] <cjwatson> So if it's OK to have a go at it on the principle that the best way to get answers on the internet is to produce something incorrect, then sure
[01:24] <infinity> cjwatson: Hah.  I trust you not to be Lennart.
[01:27] <slangasek> robru: right; so not that it's a common occurence, but when those silos get freed it's probably a good idea to follow up with the sru team and have us remove it from the queue at the same time, or else nag us into processing it from the queue so it /doesn't/ have to get freed prematurely
[01:36] <robru> slangasek: yeah fair point. I try to never do that but we were really crunched at the time and there was a big push to get some landings in for whatever milestone was happening at the time
[05:49] <RAOF> Hey super release friends! Does anyone have the policies for what we can upload to landing PPAs destined for vivid-overlay?
[05:51] <RAOF> Specifically - the Mir landing PPA needs a new glmark2 with some changes required to build against the new Mir. Can we be lazy and just upload the wily glmark2 (which has those changes, plus some others), or do we need to do the sensible thing and add a minimal patch to update it?
[05:51] <RAOF> For bonus points - where is this documented? ☺
[07:01] <infinity> RAOF: The Ubuntu Release Team has zero influence over the phone overlay PPA.
[07:02] <RAOF> Grr
[07:02] <infinity> RAOF: Arguably, the whole point of it is to circumvent things that ubuntu-release and ubuntu-sru policy would forbid. :P
[07:02]  * RAOF thinks you can drop the “Arguably” :P
[07:04] <infinity> RAOF: Anyhow, looking at how people have been doing vivid-overlay/wily dual landings, I'd assume that "just use the wily version with a backport version number and a rebuild" would probably be fine, if the changes aren't drastic.
[07:09] <RAOF> Eh, sure. Why not. Substantially less than half of it changed :)
[09:07] <rbasak> How do I go about getting an answer from the release team about nginx? And is this something that is within the mandate of the relese team or does it need to go to the TB?
[14:59] <mdeslaur> could python-django be migrated please, the two test failures were failing before
[14:59] <kickinz1> infinity: any eta for docker.io sru?
[15:00] <infinity> kickinz1: I'm out until Monday.  If I get bored, I might look, but otherwise, you'll want another SRU person, or to bug me next week.
[15:01] <kickinz1> infinity, OK, sorry.
[16:08] <balloons> infinity, do we have an official EOL date for utopic? I haven't seen it, and it should be soon yes?
[16:23] <Odd_Bloke> balloons: FYI, "16:00:35 < infinity> kickinz1: I'm out until Monday."
[16:34] <balloons> Odd_Bloke, ty
[16:39] <Riddell> anyone know what's stopping ktp-* from transitioning? it all installs fine for me
[17:09] <Laney> Riddell: At least ktp-call-ui krfb (http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt search for "Trying easy from autohinter: telepathy-logger)


[01:44] <roasted> hello friends
[01:44] <roasted> I just added the gnome3 and gnome3-staging PPAs for ubuntu gnome 13.04, but I'm still getting gnome 3.7
[01:44] <roasted> every guide on the planet said those 2 PPAs = Gnome 3.8. What am I missing?
[01:49] <jbicha> roasted: GNOME 3.7 basically is 3.8 https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/
[01:49] <tyrog> roasted: Nothing. You have 3.8. The release candidate of it to be more precise :)
[01:50] <jbicha> until we figure out https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696981 you probably won't get gnome-shell 3.8.0 though
[01:50] <tyrog> jbicha: do you recommend keeping using the staging ppa in the following weeks as more packages move to gnome3 ppa or drop it?
[01:52] <jbicha> tyrog: uh, some things in the staging ppa are broken so I only recommend it if you can deal with that and know how to use ppa-purge
[01:53] <tyrog> jbicha: I do. But gnome3 ppa by itself provides gnome 3.8 already? Recent snapshots of the shell, extensions and all that stuff, I mean
[01:53] <jbicha> I don't think we'll push gnome-control-center 3.8 to the regular gnome3 ppa this month or the next because it needs a lot of work
[01:54] <tyrog> In what aspects?
[01:54] <jbicha> the latest version of gnome-shell and extensions that works is in the regular gnome3 ppa
[01:55] <jbicha> auto-suspend is broken without logind, external Settings panels don't work, OnlyShowIn (to hide some panels in certain desktops) is broken, several Ubuntu patches need to be rewritten, etc.
[01:56] <tyrog> that happens with the control center 3.8 from staging ppa?
[01:56] <jbicha> yes, also Unity has some major issues with gnome-settings-daemon 3.8
[01:57] <tyrog> jbicha: Will you be able to put only one of the instances of "Online Accounts" in the control center, instead of 2?
[01:58] <jbicha> no, that's a complicated problem since neither goa nor uoa support every app we need
[01:58] <tyrog> And the language installer from Ubuntu doesn't work in Gnome 3.8 right? At least I can't find mine after the upgrade to 3.8. Using raring
[02:00] <jbicha> tyrog: you can install language-selector-gnome and run gnome-language-selector manually from the command line
[02:00] <jbicha> we need to add that to our release notes since others will have that same question
[02:01] <tyrog> jbicha: Done :) . Very easy. But why does the application get removed from the menu/activities?
[02:01] <jbicha> setting the language also doesn't work right with g-c-c 3.8 (lots of regressions... :( )
[02:02] <jbicha> but I think it works fine in System Settings in 3.6
[02:02] <Ponch0> also becareful with updates, they may remove ur hnome install and reinstall unity
[02:02] <tyrog> Ponch0: That happened to you?
[02:03] <Ponch0> yesterday
[02:03] <tyrog> jbicha: Another bug I'm facing, don't know if it is related to the packaging of gnome3 in ubuntu or if is upstream. In classic mode, the notification bar is always up when in youtube watching fullscreen videos :)
[02:03] <tyrog> Didn't try that in the Shell yet
[02:04] <roasted> I don't understand. The same PPAs in Ubuntu give me <IP_ADDRESS>. Do the PPAs auto detect Ubuntu vs Ubuntu GNOME to decide who gets what?
[02:04] <jbicha> tyrog: uh it should show in the Activities Overview at least, could you file a bug against language-selector-gnome? I'm assuming it shows with gnome-shell 3.6 just not with 3.8
[02:04] <tyrog> roasted: No, they simply compare the package versions I think
[02:05] <roasted> tyrog: so is it considered odd that I got <IP_ADDRESS> on Ubuntu and 3.7 on Ubuntu Gnome? (both 13.04, both with Gnome3 and Gnome3-staging PPAs)
[02:05] <roasted> or expected behavior?
[02:05] <tyrog> jbicha: Yes, shows in 3.6, not in 3.8
[02:06] <tyrog> roasted: What do you mean by 3.8? The shell? Or what? Any way, both Ubuntus should give you the same version
[02:07] <jbicha> tyrog: could you try downgrading all your gnome-menus packages to the 3.6 versions?
[02:08] <jbicha> tyrog: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/+sourcepub/3008532/+listing-archive-extra gives a list of the affected package names
[02:09] <jbicha> I'm thinking that GNOME doesn't like something in the Categories line of language-selector.desktop
[02:24] <roasted> tyrog: an hour ago I had Ubuntu 13.04 64 bit running on this laptop. I added the gnome3 and gnome3-staging PPAs. I ran update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, and got <IP_ADDRESS>. On this same laptop, now, I did the same thing. Ubuntu Gnome 13.04 64 bit, gnome3 and gnome3-staging, update, upgrade, dist-upgrade.... 3.7
[02:25] <roasted> I'm having lag when I search for applications, so I was hoping that was a 3.7 thing solved by 3.8, but if I can't get 3.8 (even though I just had 3.8...)........ meh.
[02:25] <tyrog> You shouldn't use staging anyways. It contains some broken packages as jbicha said
[02:25] <roasted> oh, okay. I'll just ppa-purge it.
[02:26] <roasted> but would the regular gnome3 ppa give me 3.7 or 3.8?
[02:26] <tyrog> jbicha: I downgraded menus to the version on the gnome3 ppa and language selector now appears in the menu :)
[02:26] <tyrog> roasted: Don't worry, it will give the best 3.8 they have managed to package at the moment. 3.8 is still very new, not many distros have it
[02:27] <roasted> tyrog: right. I get that. I'm just saying, I duplicated identical efforts in ubuntu and ubuntu gnome, and ubuntu gave me 3.8 and ubuntu gnome gave me 3.7. That was just confusing me a bit.
[02:27] <tyrog> jbicha: fonts problem in the ubuntu software center, do you also have it?
[02:29] <tyrog> roasted: If you want to use GNOME, just use Ubuntu Gnome. If you want to use both Unity and Gnome Shell/Classic, then use Ubuntu. But Unity will probably break with the update through ppa, as it is 3.6-based.
[02:29] <roasted> tyrog: right, and I'm using Ubuntu Gnome...
[02:30] <roasted> The thing is, Ubuntu with these PPAs (so far) actually gave me a better Gnome experience, as Gnome Shell wasn't freezing whenever I searched for an application.
[02:30] <roasted> Hence my interest in getting it to 3.8 as I thought it was a 3.7 issue.
[02:30] <tyrog> roasted: reinstall Ubuntu gnome, and add only the gnome3 ppa, then dist-upgrade. Then if you have bugs, report them :)
[02:31] <roasted> I am on Ubuntu Gnome.
[02:31] <roasted> I'll ppa-purge staging and see if that helps.
[02:32] <tyrog> like jbicha said, 3.7 IS 3.8. The packages currently on the gnome3 ppa are the latest ones known to work with less bugs
[02:32] <roasted> okay
[02:33] <tyrog> I have used both versions from gnome3 ppa and staging, and even the gnome testing ppa, and all of them provide the same gnome shell if that is what you want to know :)
[02:35] <roasted> what I don't get is this... Ubuntu 13.04 + gnome3 + gnome3-staging = gnome <IP_ADDRESS>. Ubuntu Gnome 13.04 + gnome3 + gnome3-staging = gnome 3.7.92. That's what confused me.
[02:37] <tyrog> roasted: Gnome staging doesn't have packages that change the version of gnome 3 from the one that is currently in Gnome3 ppa
[02:38] <jbicha> roasted: you're confused, gnome-shell <IP_ADDRESS> has not been uploaded to either of the gnome3 ppa's because there are some problems with the new version
[02:38] <tyrog> jbicha: do you have the bug with the fonts in USC?
[02:38] <tyrog> and flash in fullscreen?
[02:39] <tyrog> roasted: It should be 3.7.92, not 3.8. If you have 3.8, then you are using any other PPA
[02:40] <jbicha> tyrog: if you mean in the USC sidebar, yes
[02:40] <roasted> I'm not confused over anything. I put Ubuntu 13.04, gnome3, and gnome3-staging on this laptop like 6 times. Each time, <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:40] <roasted> There's no confusion over that. It's what I experienced multiple times.
[02:40] <roasted> That's why I was confused with Ubuntu Gnome, as I hit 3.7 and kind of thought, well that's odd...
[02:40] <tyrog> jbicha: The fonts in the categories.
[02:40] <tyrog> roasted: you ARE confused, because 3.8 is NOT in the gnome3 ppa
[02:40] <jbicha> tyrog: could you file that bug too? ;)
[02:41] <tyrog> 3.8 FINAL, to be more precise
[02:41] <jbicha> roasted: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/+packages?field.name_filter=gnome-shell&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=raring
[02:41] <roasted> then it must have been in gnome3-staging
[02:41] <roasted> I added those TWO PPAs
[02:41] <roasted> and got <IP_ADDRESS> I'm 100% positive of it.
[02:41] <tyrog> roasted: It isn't there either
[02:41] <jbicha> roasted: maybe you were using the ricotz testing ppa?
[02:41] <tyrog> probably
[02:41] <roasted> I used ricotz on my initial install of my deskteop, but not on my laptop.
[02:42] <roasted> all of the guides I read said for Ubuntu 13.04 to use those two PPAs, hence why I only added those two on thi slaptop.
[02:42] <roasted> And bingo. Just like the guides said, I got 3.8
[02:42] <tyrog> roasted: what packages are you checking?
[02:42] <roasted> checking?
[02:42] <tyrog> the versions
[02:42] <roasted> gnome-shell --version
[02:43] <roasted> via terminal
[02:43] <jbicha> roasted: please run apt-cache policy gnome-shell
[02:43] <roasted> well, I just purged staging on this laptop. would that matter?
[02:43] <tyrog> roasted: no, but you should purge it anyways
[02:44] <roasted> yeah, I just meant in reference to running apt-cache
[02:44] <roasted> what are you wanting to see from this?
[02:44] <tyrog> roasted: gnome3-staging doesn't have gnome-shell at all.
[02:44] <roasted> I installed gnome-shell
[02:44] <jbicha> roasted: that will tell you what version of gnome-shell is available and where it came from
[02:45] <tyrog> 3.8 is ONLY in ricotz ppa
[02:45] <roasted> jbicha: oh, I see. This was from my install earlier on this laptop. I formatted Ubuntu in favor of Ubuntu GNOME.
[02:45] <roasted> tyrog: okay, well, I somehow found 3.8 without ricotz on 13.04.
[02:45] <roasted> from gnome-shell --version, at least. :)
[02:46] <roasted> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/03/gnome-38-beta-available-in-ppa-for.html
[02:47] <tyrog> that is 3.7.x, which is THE SAME as 3.8. It is the dev version that ended with 3.8
[02:47] <roasted> would it be possible it flagged <IP_ADDRESS> from gnome-shell --version then?
[02:47] <tyrog> tell the outputs of that command, and the one jbicha told before
[02:48] <roasted> tyrog: I can't. This is from an install I formatted earlier.
[02:48] <roasted> tyrog: I had installed Ubuntu 13.04 on this laptop about 4 separate times, each time adding gnome3 and gnome3-staging to do different testing and messing around.  I formatted it today for Ubuntu Gnome.
[02:48] <roasted> I was just tossing that comment around since I was a little confused over that. But in the end it doesn't matter that much. :D
[02:48] <tyrog> roasted: Dont worry about it then. Just use the Gnome3 PPA
[02:49] <roasted> tyrog: already on it ;)
[02:49] <tyrog> roasted: can you open a video on youtube, in fullscreen, and tell me if you get the notification bar down in the screen?
[02:50] <roasted> I do have to admit, this freezing I'm getting when searching for applications is enough for me to put Ubuntu back in and just PPA gnome on that side.
[02:50] <tyrog> roasted: After purging staging, you should reboot
[02:50] <roasted> I see no notification bar
[02:51] <roasted> would I have to run another upgrade or dist-upgrade to correct things?
[02:51] <roasted> after the purge?
[02:51] <roasted> or does ppa-purge automagically do that?
[02:51] <tyrog> supposedly no
[02:51] <roasted> sounds good - brb.
[02:51] <tyrog> but there is nothing wrong with trying the dist-upgrade after purging...
[02:53] <roasted> hm, I got the freeze one time, but with 8 other appications so far, nadda.
[02:53] <tyrog> freezes are normal with these all around search tools like unity and gnome shell
[02:54] <roasted> I see - I just never saw it before, on 3.6, 3.7, 3.8, etc :P
[02:54] <roasted> seems to be better now, but I'll try a dist-upgrade and see how it fairs.
[02:54] <tyrog> brb - going to test the shell
[02:55] <Ponch0> how do I reinstall gnome shell along side ubuntu since it was removed last night?
[02:56] <Ponch0> both PPAs are already in
[02:58] <roasted> freezing is back. I didn't have this on ubuntu with gnome 3. :(((((
[03:03] <jbicha> Ponch0: I recommend installing ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[03:05] <Ponch0> jbicha thanks
[03:05] <Ponch0> it doesn't work.
[03:06] <jbicha> could you post the errors you get then?
[03:08] <Ponch0> E: Invalid operation ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[03:08] <roasted> is gnome-clocks currently broken?
[03:08] <jbicha> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[03:08] <Ponch0> it was yes
[03:08] <roasted> getting TypeError: Argument 1 does not allow None as a value
[03:08] <roasted> via terminal
[03:09] <roasted> for 'gnome-clocks'
[03:09] <roasted> (with a bunch of other crap too)
[03:09] <Ponch0> heh duh thanks
[03:15] <Ponch0> everythings back to normal, thank you flying spaghetti monster
[03:17] <roasted> was the battery indicator broken in 3.7?
[03:17] <Ponch0> it was for me
[03:17] <roasted> great...
[03:17] <Ponch0> it's fine now
[03:18] <roasted> in 3.7.92?
[03:18] <Ponch0> yup
[03:18] <roasted> I'm just flat out not seeing it right now
[03:18] <roasted> and I'm on battery power
[03:18] <roasted> maybe another reboot is in order?
[03:18] <Ponch0> yeah I was missing it for awhile also
[03:19] <Ponch0> I think it's a theme that was messing with it, but I forgot at this point
[03:19] <roasted> I'm fully updated, still not seeing it. let me change the theme though.
[03:20] <Ponch0> yeah i'm not a 100% but I think that was the culprit
[03:20] <roasted> ah yes
[03:21] <roasted> froze for 10 seconds while typing "tweak" in search
[03:21] <Ponch0> I don't get that either but I never had that issue besides an occasional freeze, or if the computer went Idle it always froze
[03:21] <roasted> I get short blips of lag when I type in the search
[03:22] <roasted> like I'll type firefox and it'll do firef
[03:22] <roasted> and sit there for a few esconds
[03:22] <roasted> or synaptic... synapt (for a few seconds)
[03:23] <Ponch0> I understand,, I don't have that issue.
[03:23] <Ponch0> just when computer goes idle i pretty much have to restart.
[03:23] <roasted> I didn't have that issue on ubuntu with gnome3, but I have it on ubuntu-gnome with gnome3.
[03:23] <roasted> meh. maybe with the next update.
[03:24] <roasted> also, I changed my theme to the only other default one available - simple - no battery icon, but accessibility comes back with that theme, and goes away with adwaita again
[03:24] <Ponch0> roasted: I don't have the issue of computer pretty much blanking out in idle when I have ubuntu with gnome 3
[03:24] <roasted> Ponch0: so you're on Ubuntu... not Ubuntu-Gnome?
[03:25] <Ponch0> I'm on ubuntu 13.04 that has unity as alternative at log in
[03:25] <Ponch0> i pretty much have 2 choices log into the ubuntu to desktop or gnome desktop.
[03:26] <roasted> yeah
[03:26] <roasted> I wanted a pure gnome expeirence, that's why I tried ubuntu gnome
[03:26] <roasted> but if this lapotp locks up once more I'll be formatting it
[03:27] <Ponch0> yeah I understand, at the time when I installed the new ubuntu non of the other versions of ubuntu were working with my hardware.
[03:27] <Ponch0> so I took the first ISO i found.
[03:27] <Ponch0> I did remove the ubuntu desktop and only had ubuntu-gnome but yesterday an update removed gnome and reinstalled the ubuntu unity desktop
[03:29] <roasted> just made sure I was fully updated and rebooted - still no battery indicator.
[03:30] <roasted> does the gnome3 ppa get me 3.7 on ubuntu 12.10?
[03:30] <Ponch0> i udnno 12.10 doeskt work with my hardware
[03:31] <Ponch0> just do what I did. install ubuntu 13.04 with unity and than install gnome along side
[03:31] <Ponch0> also the current theme i'm using that shows battery is called "numix"
[03:32] <roasted> numix... k I'll check into that
[03:32] <Ponch0> im pretty sure I got it from webupd8
[03:32] <roasted> I just tried 3 different themes and I didn't see the battery indicator
[03:32] <roasted> you'd think the default one would work
[03:33] <Ponch0> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/03/beautiful-numix-gtk3-theme-released.html
[03:33] <Ponch0> i actually don't like the battery indicator cuz i'm always plugged in but I like the theme
[03:34] <roasted> numix installed
[03:34] <roasted> no battery indicator
[03:34] <roasted> nice
[03:36] <Ponch0> hm that's what did it for me I'm pretty sure, I dunno :(
[08:36] <darkxst> ricotz, hi
[11:16] <dupondje> Anyone has empathy running on Raring ? :s
[13:41] <roasted> dupondje: I have empathy running with raring for gtalk and facebook.
[13:43] <roasted> I find it a little confusing that I have new icon themes installed to /usr/share/icons and tweak tool is not changing them as it should. <_<
[13:51] <roasted> well, this is interesting.
[13:52] <roasted> A friend of mine and I have been doing some tinkering with Gnome. We've been bouncing between Ubuntu+Gnome3 PPA and UbuntuGNOME+Gnome3 PPA to find the differences and whether one works better for our uses than the other, etc.
[13:52] <roasted> Both he and I have experienced random lag in the activities menu with UbuntuGNOME 13.04 + Gnome3 PPA, where we would type something like, firefox... but it'd be firef(3-4 second lag)ox.
[13:52] <roasted> We're also missing battery indicator icons.
[13:53] <roasted> Now I understand this is a 13.04 spin so it's not finalized, but I do find it odd how in Ubuntu with the same PPA, the speed is improved (zero lag) and the battery icon is there.
[13:53] <roasted> Is this some sort of bug that I should report or am I sounding like a broken record player where you guys heard this all before and it's an active issue being worked on?
[13:58] <jbicha> roasted: Ubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME are the same, Ubuntu GNOME just installs different packages by default (ubuntu-gnome-desktop) and has some different default settings (ubuntu-gnome-default-settings)
[13:59] <roasted> jbicha: so does it strike you as odd that more than 1 user has experienced the identical lag symptoms on UbuntuGNOME + Gnome PPA that does not exist with Ubuntu + Gnome PPA?
[14:00] <jbicha> roasted: my instinct is that it is a coincidence
[14:01] <roasted> jbicha: I find it a little strange that I duplicated it on two systems here and another user some 1,200 miles away managed to follow the same steps and ran into it.
[14:01] <roasted> Just my 2c.
[14:05] <jbicha> there's a general lag problem, perhaps mozjs17 helps
[14:06] <roasted> I don't understand what you mean by that jbicha
[14:08] <jbicha> there is a lag problem and I don't think it matter whether you have Ubuntu + gnome-shell or Ubuntu GNOME
[14:08] <roasted> Oh, I see what you mean.
[14:09] <roasted> I don't know, I found it to be rather cut and dry since I've done a dozen installs of Ubuntu vs UbuntuGNOME in the last week.
[14:09] <jbicha> a new version of the mozjs library may help with that problem but it's a bit late for that to show up in the regular Ubuntu repositories
[14:09] <roasted> well, that's depressing.
[14:09] <jbicha> I think we'll use it in the GNOME3 PPA though
[14:09] <roasted> I wonder if there's SOMETHING else that could explain it.
[14:10] <roasted> Like I said, UbuntuGNOME... lag... Ubuntu... no lag.
[14:10] <phunyguy> same here.
[14:10] <roasted> It's not that the lag is so bad it's unusable, but it's consistent enough to make me wonder if I should hop back on Ubuntu and PPA it over.
[14:10] <roasted> jbicha: meet my 1,200 mile coincidence. :P
[14:11] <phunyguy> hello!
[14:11] <phunyguy> is it 1200 miles?
[14:11] <phunyguy> probably so.
[14:11] <roasted> Michigan, no?
[14:11] <phunyguy> zoinks no
[14:11] <phunyguy> Georgia/Florida
[14:11] <roasted> 900
[14:11] <phunyguy> probably closer to 800
[14:11] <roasted> apologies. :D
[14:11] <phunyguy> yeah
[14:50] <roasted> nice, gnome-clocks is fixed :D :D :D
[14:51] <roasted> no battery indicator quite yet tho. :P
[14:51] <roasted> I also had to do a hard reboot on my laptop. Since then I haven't experienced the lag I mentioned earlier. derp??
[15:00] <roasted> Is there an alternative way to get into system settings > brightness and lock? brightness and lock is crashing system settings each time I open it, but I'd like to adjust my timeout on my screen going black since it's currently at one minute...
[15:30] <jbicha> roasted: I don't think so, we need to patch gsettings-desktop-schemas to restore the schemas that gnome-control-center 3.6 uses
[15:37] <roasted> jbicha: I see. Have you by chance seen the birghtness and lock issue I'm speaking of?
[15:38] <jbicha> yes
[15:38] <roasted> sounds good :)
[16:54] <dupondje> Empathy is not working here, can't edit accounts, nor it shows contacts
[16:54] <dupondje> but it connects, and I can respond in chats
[16:54] <dupondje> and it works perfect in Unity ...
[16:58] <roasted> dupondje: 13.04?
[16:59] <sary> Salutations!
[17:00] <roasted> hello!
[17:00] <dupondje> roasted: yep
[17:00] <roasted> dupondje: I noticed I had to nuke my empathy accounts and re-add them (I retained my /home dir when I did the fresh install). After that they operated fine.
[17:02] <dupondje> roasted: I tried removing them yet :s
[17:02] <dupondje> its just gui that is borked
[17:03] <roasted> what GUI?
[17:03] <roasted> empathy or gnome?
[17:03] <dupondje> empathy
[17:03] <sary> I've successfully upgraded from 12.04 to 13.04, is it okay to install ubuntu-gnome metapackages! are there any known issue i should know about ?
[17:03] <roasted> have you considered removing and purging empathy and re-installing it?
[17:03] <dupondje> roasted: already did :(
[17:03] <roasted> or perhaps nuking the empathy data folder within your home dir?
[17:04] <roasted> empathy has its own folder within ~/.config
[17:06] <dupondje> tried removing empathy and removing files in .config etc
[17:06] <dupondje> but no help
[17:06] <dupondje> its strange it works perfectly in Unity imo
[17:06] <roasted> do other messengers such as pidgin work okay?
[17:06] <dupondje> did not try yet
[17:06] <roasted> just a thought
[17:07] <roasted> I mean empathy working in unity is a huge +1 that it's something with Gnome, but if you can get another messenger to work on Gnome (I would think) it would further solidify that theory.
[17:11] <sary> hi there roasted , dupondje :)
[17:11] <roasted> hi
[17:11] <sary> dupondje: what it you run emapthy in terminal !
[17:11] <sary> it/s/if
[17:11] <dupondje> sary: no output
[17:12] <roasted> sary: are you on 13.04?
[17:12] <dupondje> I just get "No contacts online" ...
[17:13] <dupondje> (empathy:12525): folks-WARNING **: Failed to reach quiescence normally (1 backends and 0 persona stores still haven't reached quiescence). Forcing IndividualAggregator quiescence due to reaching the timeout.
[17:13] <dupondje> (empathy:12525): empathy-CRITICAL **: empathy-utils.c:569: empathy_account_manager_get_accounts_connected called before AccountManager ready
[17:13] <sary> roasted: Cheah! :)
[17:13] <dupondje> (empathy:12525): empathy-CRITICAL **: empathy-utils.c:569: empathy_account_manager_get_accounts_connected called before AccountManager ready
[17:13] <dupondje> I get this after some time ...
[17:13] <roasted> sary: can you go into system settings and select brightness and lock? Does that crash system settings for you?
[17:13] <sary> roasted: sure thing , hold up ..
[17:14] <sary> roasted: no issue at all, both function properly!
[17:15] <roasted> Do you have any PPAs installed?
[17:15] <sary> nope.
[17:15] <roasted> so you're on 3.6 then?
[17:20] <roasted> sary: brightness and lock crashes for me instantly when I click on it (and only it... other functions in sys settings work fine). I'm on 13.04, Gnome3 PPA, 3.7.92
[17:23] <guest-pNHnt1> Back, Sary here ..
[17:23] <roasted> sary: brightness and lock crashes for me instantly when I click on it (and only it... other functions in sys settings work fine). I'm on 13.04, Gnome3 PPA, 3.7.92
[17:23] <roasted> :)
[17:26] <guest-pNHnt1> roasted: you're absolutely right , a minute or so after adjusting brightness and lock on/off , the whole desktop hangs!
[17:27] <roasted> my desktop doesn't hang. It just crashes system settings.
[17:27] <roasted> like if I select brightness and lock, it disappears as if I just ALT F4'd it
[17:27] <guest-pNHnt1> but, here is the cach .. i'm on a guest session and the issue didn't occur .. yet!
[17:28] <cmatheson> hey speaking of empathy not working, if i try to connect to my personal jabber server all my accounts die (otherwise gmail and facebook connect fine)
[17:28] <cmatheson> a notification pops up that says "internal error"
[17:28] <cmatheson> this is running gnome 3.6 on 13.04 (i just ppa-purged 3.7 though)
[17:28] <guest-pNHnt1> ah! thene i think we should check and investigate ./sessions-errors for a start.
[17:31] <guest-pNHnt1> dupondje: excuse me , i've missed your empathy output .. BRB.
[17:31] <roasted> guest-pNHnt1: are you on a laptop?
[17:32] <guest-pNHnt1> roasted: correct.
[17:32] <roasted> guest-pNHnt1: do you have a battery indicator in the top right?
[17:33] <guest-pNHnt1> roasted: nope!
[17:33] <roasted> :(
[17:33] <guest-pNHnt1> wait , but am on the guest session still.
[17:33] <guest-pNHnt1> BRB.
[17:38] <roasted> testing
[17:38] <dupondje> ok, removed cache folder or folks
[17:38] <dupondje> and now it seems to work somehow
[17:39] <dupondje> except MSN
[17:44] <roasted> this brightness thing is driving me insane
[17:44] <roasted> if only my brightness was set to turn off monitor every 10 minutes I wouldn't care. But it's set to 1 minute and auto crashes itself so I can't change it. AHH
[17:46] <atrus> roasted: can you change it with dconf-editor? i think that's in org.gnome.setting-daemon.plugins.power
[17:48] <roasted> atrus: hmm, how would I navigate to that within dconf?
[17:48] <atrus> just by clicking the [+] boxes
[17:48] <roasted> well yeah, but I'm not sure which one in particular.
[17:49] <roasted> oh I got it
[17:49] <roasted> I didn't realize each . separated a new drop down
[17:50] <roasted> ahh thank you atrus :) :) :)
[17:50] <roasted> it'll make this issue not seem so insanely obnoxious right now
[18:48] <sary> Back.
[18:50] <sary> dupondje: on my user session , empathy connect o accounts normaly.
[18:55] <sary> perhaps, your system is missing one of the protocol support connection packages!
[18:55] <sary> " Telepathy " .. that is.
[18:56] <sary> i think we might've gone offtopic here , #ubuntu+1 it is .
[20:15] <darkxst> jbicha, can you upload updated cogl http://pastebin.com/N5A2tCap
[20:22] <jbicha> darkxst: yes, it will probably wait in the queue until thursday's beta release though
[20:23] <jbicha> how about you open a bug and request a sponsor though?
[20:40] <darkxst> jbicha, yes I could, but that will take ages
[21:04] <jbicha> darkxst: if it doesn't get sponsored by Thursday or Friday, ping me & I'll do it
[21:04] <darkxst> jbicha, ok
[21:39] <Ponch0> My software updater gets stuck on applying changes.... is there anyway to do this manually?
[22:26] <jbicha> darkxst: wow, gnome-shell 3.6.3 has been stuck in the SRU queue for 5 weeks :(


[05:15] <cameronnemo> hello world
[05:24] <tsimonq2> hi cameronnemo
[05:25] <cameronnemo> I am here to try and resolve someon
[05:25] <cameronnemo> e's issues with lubuntu
[05:25] <tsimonq2> Awesome :)
[05:25] <tsimonq2> Just stick around and someone will come by.
[05:26] <cameronnemo> It is someone I found on reddit. Seems his lightdm isn't starting up. Any idea what might cause that?
[05:26] <tsimonq2> They'd need to provide logs, which should point towards the issue.
[05:28] <cameronnemo> Should they simply take pictures or use some command line utility to upload the logs somewhere?
 @cameronnemo, pastebinit ideally.
 It's installed by default in 18.04.
[05:38] <cameronnemo> I'm going to point him to this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pastebinit
[05:38] <cameronnemo> thank you for your help
[13:39] <mand0rla> Hi there. I have lubuntu 18.04 and I'm trying to install Microsoft Office 2010 with playonlinux...I can't make it work. An ELA window (almost totally blank, so I can't agree to terms) pops up and I wait and wait for the installation to finish, with no result. Any ideas??
[13:39] <mand0rla> Any help appreciated ;)
[13:41] <genii> Use the tab key to switch fields in the EULA until the OK or Accept is hightlighted, hit Enter
[13:42] <mand0rla> Thanks genii. I tried but no result. Theer are no fields, it's blank except for a pic that looks like a contract (that's why I think its the EULA form
[13:42] <mand0rla> Maybe I need to install some extra stuff? ;.O
[13:43] <mand0rla> I prefer Libreoffice but I need Micrsoft for a job...
[13:44] <genii> mand0rla: This is not really a Lubuntu support issue, more of something for the PlayonLinux people to help with. You should try asking in their channel at #playonlinux ... you can also check the WINE appdb for your version of Office to see compatibility
[13:44] <genii> !appdb
[13:45] <genii> .. so #playonlinux or #winehq will likely have more specific help than could be had here for your issue
[13:46] <mand0rla> thanks genii. I asked in that channel as well (still waiting).
[13:47] <genii> Yes, sometimes it may take a while
[13:49] <mand0rla> ok thanks! see ya
[17:35] <CalicoFlows> When I try opening the task manager I get this error https://i.imgur.com/ZP3NKuX.png
[17:36] <CalicoFlows> And then the actual window loads and it's blank https://i.imgur.com/igvFIBj.png
[17:36] <CalicoFlows> How can I fix it, please
[17:37] <tsimonq2> CalicoFlows: Try #kubuntu
[17:37] <CalicoFlows> I am a bit worried that this sort of thing happens. Overall the performance of my system has been getting worse ;/
[17:40] <CalicoFlows> Oh lord, I am in Lubuntu hahah, sorry
[20:11] <cameronnemo> recommended way to create a bootable usb?
[20:12] <krytarik> dd! :P
[20:12] <cameronnemo> from windows
 @cameronnemo, Rufus
[20:14] <genii> !windd
[20:14] <genii> Hm
[20:15] <Ricey> Hey all, I was wondering if anyone could possibly help? I tried installing Lubuntu and for some reason it didn't work exactly and now it's only a terminal and no GUI, I've tried a few commands such as: sudo systemctl status lightdm sudo systemctl enable lightdm sudo systemctl start lightdm and --fix-broken things but no luck
[20:16] <Ricey> I also tried remounting the iso with Rufus and booting via USB and it wont boot via bios it just looks like it refreshes on the bios screen
[20:17] <cameronnemo> more about the --fix-broken comment: he ran into an "unmet dependencies"  error when trying to install the lubuntu-desktop package
[20:23] <cameronnemo> Ricey, maybe you can try `sudo dpkg --configure -a`
[20:23] <cameronnemo> https://askubuntu.com/questions/263378/how-to-fix-dependencies-broken-packages#263390
[20:24] <Ricey> I'll try that, one second :)
[20:25] <Ricey> I did the command and it just went to the next line
[20:27] <cameronnemo> Yes that is okay. Now try `sudo apt install -f lubuntu-desktop` again.
[20:27] <Ricey> Sure, sec
[20:28] <Ricey> I'll send an image as there's too much text
[20:30] <Ricey> https://i.imgur.com/5fiYNGQ.jpg
[20:31] <cameronnemo> https://askubuntu.com/questions/223237/unable-to-correct-problems-you-have-held-broken-packages#223267
[20:31] <cameronnemo> does `sudo apt autoremove` do anything?
[20:33] <Ricey> Sudo apt autoremove does: Reading package lists... Done, Building dependency tree, Reading state information... Done, 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade
[20:34] <cameronnemo> Can you try `sudo apt install -f usb-creator-gtk`
[20:35] <Ricey> https://i.imgur.com/MjkR4oV.jpg
[20:35] <Ricey> Here ^^
[20:36] <cameronnemo> Can you try to install the dependency mentioned?
[20:36] <cameronnemo> `sudo apt install -f gir1.2-unity-5.0`
[20:36] <Ricey> Alright, one second
[20:38] <Ricey> Also, sorry for uploading images it's just a heck of a lot faster looking at my laptop then typing it all out and proof checking it on another computer
[20:38] <Ricey> https://i.imgur.com/xGeFjal.jpg
[20:40] <cameronnemo> `apt-cache policy libunity9`?
[20:40] <cameronnemo> you can use the pastebinit tool
[20:40] <Ricey> I can't use the pastebinit tool it didn't seem to work when I tried
[20:40] <cameronnemo> uf
[20:41] <cameronnemo> did you try with a different site using the `-b` option? `apt-cache policy libunity9 | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com`
[20:42] <Ricey> https://i.imgur.com/9IfEAaa.jpg
[20:42] <Ricey> I'll try that now
[20:43] <Ricey> Uhh
[20:43] <Ricey> How do I do that line
[20:43] <Ricey> Between libunity9 and pastebinit
[20:45] <cameronnemo> the pipe character
[20:45] <cameronnemo> |
[20:45] <Ricey> Ya that
[20:45] <Ricey> I don't know how :x
[20:45] <krytarik> !repos | Ricey: I suggest you enable some
[20:46] <Ricey> Krytarik I don't understand anything about linux but I'll try in a second
[20:47] <cameronnemo> https://pastebin.com/AzbVDStR
[20:47] <cameronnemo> download that file and move it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:47] <Ricey> I did the pastebin thing Cameronnemo and it just said pastebinit: command not found
[20:47] <cameronnemo> that's okay
[20:47] <cameronnemo> the policy command picture helped a lot
[20:48] <cameronnemo> do you have wget or curl installed? try the commands `which curl` and `which wget` to tell.
[20:49] <Ricey> Nothing happened, just went to the next line
[20:49] <Ricey> For both
[20:52] <cameronnemo> okay, then just edit the file manually to add the following lines
[20:52] <cameronnemo> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic main restricted
[20:52] <Ricey> uhh
[20:52] <cameronnemo> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-updates main restricted
[20:52] <Ricey> So I just type these in like that?
[20:52] <cameronnemo> you need to use an editor like `nano`
[20:53] <cameronnemo> or you can use `echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic main restricted" >> /etc/apt/sources.list`
[20:53] <cameronnemo> `echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-updates main restricted" >> /etc/apt/sources.list`
[20:53] <cameronnemo> with sudo!!
[20:53] <Ricey> None of this is making any sense to me, I'm sorry. I don't understand how I'm supposed to edit if I can't even use my laptop right now only a terminal and I don't even understand 99% of what we're doing :')
[20:54] <Ricey> So sudo echo deb http:// etc
[20:54] <Ricey> Or? I'm really sorry
[20:54] <cameronnemo> sorry I understand
[20:54] <cameronnemo> yes
[20:55] <cameronnemo> is the computer connected to a network? like with an ethernet cable?
[20:55] <Ricey> Wireless
[20:56] <cameronnemo> okay it may be easier to use ethernet while we are still at the terminal, but can you tell me if `which nmcli` returns anything?
[20:57] <Ricey> I don't have a spare ethernet, only one is in my pc right now
[20:58] <Ricey> https://i.imgur.com/vfmhw6F.jpg
[20:59] <cameronnemo> make sure to put "echo" before deb and a "/" before "etc/apt/sources.list"
[21:00] <cameronnemo> in fact wrap the bit from deb to restricted in quotes
[21:00] <Ricey> Permission denied
[21:01] <krytarik> Ricey: So it would seem that 1.) you might have the default repos enabled, but 2.) you never got to update your package database from them yet because 3.) you don't actually have any internet connectivity right now?
[21:02] <Ricey> I really don't know, I'm sorry I cant answer better krytarik
[21:03] <krytarik> Please try: "ping -c 5 <IP_ADDRESS>"
[21:04] <Ricey> https://i.imgur.com/VxjFSdG.jpg
[21:05] <krytarik> Now just: "sudo apt update"
[21:05] <cameronnemo> ricey, notice how you got an error with the echo commands? "permission denied"
[21:05] <cameronnemo> you need to use sudo to elevate priveleges, so put sudo before the echo command
[21:05] <Ricey> I do notice that yeah and I just did that krytarik
[21:05] <cameronnemo> then run `sudo apt update`
[21:06] <cameronnemo> And can you show us what happens after the `sudo apt update` command?
[21:07] <Ricey> https://i.imgur.com/M7fSiB4.jpg
[21:07] <Ricey> Sorry for the quality on this one
[21:08] <Ricey> It was a lot of text to fit
[21:09] <cameronnemo> my bad, the echo command failed again
[21:09] <Ricey> No worries
[21:09] <cameronnemo> can you try the following
[21:11] <cameronnemo> sudo sh -c "echo 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic main restricted' >>/etc/apt/sources.list"
[21:11] <cameronnemo> careful with the quotes on that one
[21:11] <cameronnemo> sudo sh -c "echo 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-updates main restricted' >>/etc/apt/sources.list"
[21:12] <cameronnemo> that one too
[21:12] <cameronnemo> then run `sudo apt update; sudo apt dist-upgrade; sudo apt install -f lubuntu-desktop`
[21:15] <Ricey> All seemed to work except the last, the last one said
[21:15] <Ricey> -bash: sudo apt update: sudo apt dist-upgrade; sudo apt install -f lubuntu-desktop: command not found
[21:16] <cameronnemo> okay then just start with
[21:16] <cameronnemo> sudo apt update
[21:16] <cameronnemo> and then continue with:
[21:16] <cameronnemo> sudo apt dist-upgrade
[21:18] <Ricey> Progress 50%
[21:19] <cameronnemo> gotcha
[21:19] <cameronnemo> this is good haha!
[21:19] <Ricey> Yeah? Great!
[21:21] <Ricey> Alright all done
[21:21] <cameronnemo> with both?
[21:21] <cameronnemo> then run this
[21:21] <Ricey> Yeah
[21:21] <cameronnemo> sudo apt install -f lubuntu-desktop
[21:21] <cameronnemo> also hopefully neither of them had any errors?
[21:22] <Ricey> Not yet at least
[21:22] <Ricey> Running install deskto
[21:22] <Ricey> Wait
[21:22] <Ricey> It saiys uh
[21:22] <Ricey> Media change please insert the disc labeled
[21:23] <Ricey> lubuntu 18.04 LTS _bionic beaver_ - Release amd64 20180426 in the drive /media/cdrom/ and press enter
[21:24] <cameronnemo> https://askubuntu.com/questions/386265/media-change-please-insert-the-disc-labeled-when-trying-to-install-ruby-on-ra#386268
[21:24] <cameronnemo> run
[21:24] <cameronnemo> sudo sed -i '/cdrom/d' /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:25] <cameronnemo> then you will need to run
[21:25] <Ricey> Running
[21:25] <cameronnemo> sudo apt update
[21:25] <cameronnemo> before trying the lubuntu desktop command again
[21:26] <Ricey> Will when it's done, it's on 25%
[21:29] <Ricey> I did that and looked away and now back and it's uh failed to fetch a lot of things
[21:30] <Ricey> It says maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing
[21:30] <cameronnemo> didn't you just run apt update though? hmm
[21:30] <cameronnemo> try with the fix missing option
[21:31] <Ricey> I didn't doo run apt update til the sudo sed -i cdrom was done
[21:31] <Ricey> But I'll try the update?
[21:31] <cameronnemo> sudo apt install --fix-broken --fix-missing lubuntu-desktop
[21:31] <cameronnemo> could work
[21:32] <Ricey> Again, please insert the disc labeled Lubuntu
[21:32] <cameronnemo> dang
[21:32] <cameronnemo> sudo sed -i '/cdrom/d' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[21:32] <Ricey> Would it be easier you helping me DL/Install via USB again instead of this?
[21:32] <Ricey> O
[21:32] <Ricey> I'll try that too
[21:33] <cameronnemo> I feel like we are actually almost there
[21:33] <cameronnemo> you just need to get rid of all the references to cdrom in the apt sources
[21:33] <Ricey> Failed to fetch cdrom and loads of stuff
[21:33] <cameronnemo> did you try the sed comman?
[21:34] <krytarik> Ricey: egrep -vh '^(#|$)' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list}
[21:34] <Ricey> Yes that's where the fail comes from
[21:34] <cameronnemo> +1 on the egrep command
[21:37] <Ricey_> Hi
[21:37] <Ricey_> So
[21:37] <Ricey_> It didn't work
[21:37] <Ricey_> I'll post a photo shortly
[21:42] <Ricey> https://i.imgur.com/57dxuJ8.jpg
[21:47] <cameronnemo> sudo sed -i 's/deb cdrom/#deb cdrom/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:49] <cameronnemo> then go through
[21:49] <cameronnemo> sudo apt update
[21:49] <cameronnemo> sudo apt dist-upgrade
[21:49] <cameronnemo> sudo apt install -f lubuntu-desktop
[21:51] <Ricey_> Unable to locate package lubuntu deskto
[21:51] <Ricey_> p
[21:52] <Ricey_> Everything else worked
[21:52] <krytarik> Ricey: Run all these to get the default repos added -
[21:52] <krytarik> echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic main restricted universe multiverse" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:52] <krytarik> echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-security main restricted universe multiverse" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:52] <krytarik> echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-updates main restricted universe multiverse" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:55] <krytarik> Ricey: Is this instance of yours even here still? >_>
[21:56] <cameronnemo> no he is using Ricey_
[21:57] <cameronnemo> krytarik said to use the following commands
[21:57] <cameronnemo> echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic main restricted universe multiverse" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:57] <cameronnemo> echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-security main restricted universe multiverse" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:57] <cameronnemo> echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-updates main restricted universe multiverse" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:57] <krytarik> cameronnemo: Well, it's definitely in the channel still, but..
[21:57] <cameronnemo> Ricey_: see above
[21:57] <Ricey> I'm here just talking to family a sec
[21:57] <cameronnemo> oh okay
[21:58] <Ricey> Sorry, I don't mean to seem rude :x
[21:59] <cameronnemo> no problem
[22:01] <Ricey> Did all of those commands :D
[22:01] <cameronnemo> cool, then go through:
[22:01] <cameronnemo> sudo apt update
[22:01] <cameronnemo> sudo apt dist-upgrade
[22:01] <cameronnemo> sudo apt install -f lubuntu-desktop
[22:02] <cameronnemo> report back if there are any mentions of cdrom or media or missing packages or similar
[22:09] <Ricey> Seems to be working
[22:09] <Ricey> The install lubuntu is doing its thing
[22:09] <Ricey> 8%
[22:09] <Ricey> So brb a second also
[22:14] <Ricey> Back, it's at 27%
[22:16] <cameronnemo> Great. I actually have to leave right now, but feel free to shoot me a PM on reddit or maybe try this chat later.
[22:24] <CalicoFlows> So I followed  this guide but it didn't work https://ivan.reallusiondesign.com/thinkpad-t430-ubuntu-fan-control/
[22:24] <CalicoFlows> Couldn't I just manually set the fan speed?
[22:25] <CalicoFlows> The fan is quite quiet and the laptop tends to get warm, I just want to run it at high at all times
[22:25] <CalicoFlows> or at the highest inaudible level :)
[22:39] <Ricey> Hey krytarik
[22:39] <Ricey> I did the things stated above about bionic and such and then did the install lubuntu desktop and now it's done, I'm here : https://i.imgur.com/sMmyQZq.jpg
[22:40] <krytarik> Looks good.   I'm really only setting this up for Plex
[22:46] <krytarik> Well, just ask away - but probably better in the main #ubuntu channel on this one.
[22:47] <Ricey> Does it come under ubuntu or here as it's lubuntu?
[22:50] <krytarik> #ubuntu is for Ubuntu and all of its official flavors - and with generic stuff like that I'd rather go where more users are in the channel, in this case way more.
[22:51] <Ricey> Alright I'll try that, thank you :)
[22:57] <Ricey> No one over there is saying anything tbh
[23:03] <krytarik> !details | Ricey: This is probably one reason
[23:04] <Ricey> The only information i could give is Lubuntu 18.04 and I need to add a wifi network, but I've sorted it already but it says Wi-Fi networks device not ready
[23:04] <Ricey> I'll google how to enable it
[23:18] <Ricey> Might aswell post here too? Can anyone give me a hand in enabling my Wifi Device? I'm running Lubuntu 18.04 and it sayd Wi-Fi Networks device not ready.


[12:05] <marseillai> Riddell: upgrade works fine but amarok crash at start
[12:05] <marseillai> i pastebin the konsole output ?
[12:06] <marseillai> Riddell: konsole output : http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/648531 and kde crash dialog message : http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/648534
[12:06] <Riddell> marseillai: I had the same, send it to the amarok developers
[12:07] <Riddell> LaserJock: yes, fixing
[12:07] <Riddell> LaserJock: unless you already have a fix?
[12:07] <LaserJock> Riddell: ok, sorry about that. It looked like you just didn't grab the latest debian/rules that I modifed
[12:08] <Riddell> quite possibly
[12:14] <Riddell> seems to be the case, however kubuntu docs complains about kubuntu-adept which isn't mentioned in your rules file
[12:15] <LaserJock> yes, mdke removed it
[12:15] <LaserJock> in between
[12:17] <Riddell> why?
[12:18] <LaserJock> the adept guide was removed from the repo because it is out of date. jjese said to take it out
[12:19] <Riddell> ok
[12:19] <marseillai> waouhhhh! :) with amarok not working my computer seems so ...... rapid, light ...... a real pleasure! :D
[12:20] <Riddell> marseillai: rm -r ~/.kde/share/config/amarok ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok   to fix it
[12:21] <marseillai> lest go ....
[12:21] <marseillai> perhaps with mv .... ;)
[12:23] <marseillai> it doesn't work Riddell!
[12:24] <marseillai> always the same bug
[12:26] <Riddell> kbuildsycoca: Disk full?  do you have a full disk?
[12:26] <Riddell> otherwise it'll be bad permissions on /var/tmp/kdecache-cyril/
[12:28] <marseillai> i've no any full disk
[12:28] <marseillai> i'll take a look a /var/tmp/kdecache-cyril/
[12:28] <marseillai> 4 drwx------ 9 cyril cyril 4096 2006-04-09 00:27 kdecache-cyril
[12:29] <Riddell> and /var/tmp/kdecache-cyril/ksycoca  ?
[12:30] <marseillai> idem with no excution
[12:30] <marseillai> 1148 -rw-r--r--  1 cyril cyril 1169305 2006-04-08 17:23 ksycoca
[12:30] <Riddell> LaserJock: new kubuntu-docs uploaded
[12:30] <LaserJock> Riddell: great
[12:30] <Riddell> marseillai: run kbuildsycoca  on the command line
[12:31] <marseillai> same error ....
[12:31] <LaserJock> Riddell: Kubuntu looks beautiful, btw. I installed kubuntu-desktop to test the package
[12:31] <marseillai> QFile::at: Cannot set file position 2878
[12:31] <marseillai> kbuildsycoca: ERROR writing database '/var/tmp/kdecache-cyril/ksycoca'!
[12:31] <marseillai> kbuildsycoca: Disk full?
[12:33] <Riddell> LaserJock:  :)
[12:33] <crimsun> LaserJock: I can never tell if I'm getting the default theme, since all my users have different environments used
[12:33] <Riddell> LaserJock: now... how do I commit to that svn archive again?
[12:33] <LaserJock> Riddell: to the doc team svn?
[12:34] <Riddell> LaserJock: yes
[12:34] <LaserJock> Riddell: do you have commit access? sorry if that is a stupid question
[12:35] <Riddell> LaserJock: I do, I've just completely forgotten how to use it
[12:35] <LaserJock> svn commit
[12:35] <Riddell> wiki page says its a https:// URL, is that right?
[12:35] <LaserJock> ah, just a sec
[12:36] <LaserJock> yeah, that's right. svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc
[12:37] <Riddell> hmm, so it's a username and password I'm after?
[12:38] <LaserJock> yeah, you have to give svn a username and password the first time
[12:39] <Riddell> hmm, well I've no idea what that would be
[12:39] <Riddell> who can find out my username?
[12:39] <LaserJock> elmo
[12:39] <Riddell> hum
[12:40] <Riddell> could you commit this in the mean time?  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/docs.diff
[12:40] <Riddell> to kubuntu/debian
[12:41] <LaserJock> sure can
[12:41] <Riddell> docs team needs to convert to bzr
[12:41] <LaserJock> yeah, there was some discussion about that a while ago
[12:41] <LaserJock> I think maybe after Dapper it might come up again
[12:42] <LaserJock> it would be easier if the doc team controlled the access anyway. elmo was supposed to work on that but I don't think it got anywere yet.
[12:42] <Riddell> then we can just use ssh accounts on a virtual server
[12:44] <LaserJock> Riddell: done
[12:46] <Riddell> thanks
[03:01] <apachelogger> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libqtextra.so.1
[03:01] <apachelogger> how to avoid?
[03:02] <apachelogger> or how to fix?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[01:55] <marseillai_> Riddell: could you keep me aware when the amarok-bug is corrected ?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: i'll do it
[01:55] <marseillai_> thanks
[01:55] <Hobbsee> as in, keep you aware, not fix it
[01:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell will probably forget :P
[01:55] <marseillai_> lol
[01:55] <marseillai_> oki
[01:55] <marseillai_> thanks
[01:56] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: r u a motu or dev ?
[01:56] <marseillai_> do you know siretart ? he is always telling "RTFM" or is it a special treatment for me ?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: i do bits of packaging - upgrades, some stuff with old bug reports, etc
[01:57] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: he's very busy - and often the manuals are very good for explaining the bits needed
[01:57] <marseillai_> oki! so it's a special and reserve treatment forme! :)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> it's far better to come and say - this is hte problem, i've tried this, that, and the other, and this is the pastebin that i've gotten, and blah blah blah
[01:58] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: we're in luck here, because Riddell and raphink are very nice devs, who dont bite heads off :)
[01:58] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: but it's what i've done the first time! he told me rtfm! i worked on it during one month! and afterall it was really a bug!
[01:58] <Hobbsee> true
[01:59] <marseillai_> so the second time he told me rtfm (yesterday)  iwas a little hangry
[01:59] <Hobbsee> what did he tell you that over?
[02:02] <marseillai_> that he prefer keep my bug on another package even if several devs told it's a wpa bug ..... and he told me that i've to rtfm to make something i'm trying to do since one month!
[02:05] <Hobbsee> ouch
[02:38] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: hehe - got rid of some dreaded bugs...
[02:38] <Hobbsee> then saw the long list of kdebase ones, and gave up!
[02:39] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: could you reformulate your sentences
[02:39] <marseillai_> i'm french
[02:39] <marseillai_> and i've some difficulties with english
[02:39] <Hobbsee> i was looking on launchpad, closed some bugs, then i looked at the bugs in kdebase - and gave up.  :P
[02:40] <Hobbsee> yes, i could see you dont have english as a first language, sorry...
[02:40] <marseillai_> wich one ?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> all of them
[02:40] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: my english is so bad ?
[02:40] <marseillai_> :s
[02:40] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: no, it's fairly good - just some phrases that are the wrong way around, for example
[02:41] <Hobbsee> eg "i'm trying to do since one month" should be "i've been trying to do for the last month"
[02:41] <Hobbsee> that's the one i noticed
[02:42] <marseillai_> oki! i've some diffculties with "for" "since" "during" ....
[02:42] <Hobbsee> ah ok :)
[02:43] <marseillai_> i've reported only one bug with kde and it's not on launchpad
[02:43] <marseillai_> i prefer report kde bug on kde bugzilla
[02:43] <marseillai_> I think it's more usefull
[02:43] <marseillai_> even if i'm not really sure it's a kde or ubuntu bug
[02:44] <Hobbsee> true
[02:44] <Hobbsee> it's possible to mark a bug as upstream, from lauchpad
[02:44] <marseillai_> yes but kde bugzilla is evil!!!!! too hard to use
[02:44] <Hobbsee> i've written bugs on both bugs.kde.org, and launchpad
[02:44] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:44] <Hobbsee> so's the normal bugzilla!
[02:45] <marseillai_> yes
[02:45] <marseillai_> wpa_supplicant bugzilla is evil master
[02:45] <Hobbsee> apparently people are working on it
[02:45] <marseillai_> :D
[02:45] <Hobbsee> huh?
[02:45] <marseillai_> they should think to use launchpad .....
[02:47] <Hobbsee> yay!!!
[02:47] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: amarok beta3 packages are on kubuntu.org
[02:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:47] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: DON T TRY THEM ....
[02:47] <Hobbsee> why not?
[02:47] <marseillai_> because ridd ell ask for testers yesterday
[02:47] <marseillai_> and they don't work
[02:48] <marseillai_> amarok don't launch
[02:48] <marseillai_> it resolve the problem with libqt3-mysql
[02:48] <marseillai_> but amarok crashes
[02:48] <Hobbsee> ahhh...ok
[02:48] <danimo> marseillai_: known problem
[02:48] <Hobbsee> that would be why the amarok-latest wasnt upgraded
[02:48] <marseillai_> it's that i'm waiting
[02:49] <danimo> marseillai_: Riddell said he was going to do something about it with the release of beta3 today
[02:49] <marseillai_> danimo: yes i know! i'm waiting for fixes to upgrade
[02:49] <Hobbsee> pity...
[02:49] <marseillai_> danimo: yes i know i was trying to help him on this yesterday
[02:49] <danimo> marseillai_: it was even worse for me
[02:49] <danimo> I did an adept upgrade and suddenly amarok was gone
[02:49] <danimo> upps
[02:49] <marseillai_> lol
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:50] <marseillai_> you have not change your depot to beta3 packages ?
[02:50] <marseillai_> :|
[02:50] <danimo> marseillai_: where are they?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> danimo: http://kubuntu.org/packages/
[02:50] <Hobbsee> you can use the symlinked amarok-latest
[02:51] <marseillai_> arf! do not know the english translation for my prefer answer to this sort of question ....
[02:51] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: beta packages are not in latest link! they are ?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> are they?  you mean, yes, they are
[02:51] <marseillai_> :| uh yes they are!
[02:52] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: see http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/pool-dapper/
[02:52] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:52] <marseillai_> just see
[02:52] <danimo> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:52] <danimo>   amarok: Depends: libmysqlclient15 (>= 5.0.15-1) but it is not going to be installed
[02:52] <Hobbsee> danimo: that for beta3?
[02:52] <danimo> there are two libmysqlclient15 versions
[02:52] <Hobbsee> or beta2?
[02:52] <marseillai_> danimo: ;) normal! libmysqlclient15 have change is name!
[02:53] <danimo> I just switched to latest
[02:53] <marseillai_> so beta2
[02:53] <Hobbsee> yeah.  they know.  they're working on it
[02:53] <marseillai_> it will be repair with beta3
[02:53] <Hobbsee> i had a bug number, but i've forgotten it
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hi OdyX
[02:53] <marseillai_> lu OdyX! la forme?
[02:54] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: 38701! it's mine! :)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:54] <danimo> ah, ok, latest != beta3
[02:54] <danimo> mean :)
[02:54] <marseillai_> danimo: yes! latest = latest with a few test and wich is know to work
[02:54] <Hobbsee> danimo: correct
[02:55] <marseillai_> know or known ?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: known
[02:55] <marseillai_> oki
[02:55] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:55] <marseillai_> konvi test :
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Uptime: 2 hours and  minutes
[02:56] <Hobbsee> works
[02:56] <marseillai_> Uptime: 21 hours and 33 minutes
[02:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:56] <marseillai_> :)
[02:56] <marseillai_> konvi is pretty good! but geek's features are missing! :s
[02:58] <Hobbsee> hehe true
[03:01] <marseillai> feel much better with xchat!
[03:01] <danimo> marseillai: what features in particular?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:01] <marseillai> command completion! my own, complex command....
[03:02] <danimo> geeks... ;)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> danimo: of course.
[03:02] <OdyX> hey marseillai... :D
[03:03] <Hobbsee> marseillai: konversation has aliases
[03:03] <marseillai> danimo: command completion, better chan identify (work everywhere with xchat not with konvi), and almost : the aibility to create complex command for example i have alias for ( /nick marseillai && /ns identify my_pass ) and it's so hard to do with konvi! and many others alias like them! and there are many scripts usefull for ircop with xchat!
[03:03] <danimo> identify works with freenode. that's enough :)
[03:04] <marseillai> Hobbsee: not this sort of aliases! i've to use dcop and many complicate things
[03:04] <marseillai> danimo: nop! it's not for me! :s
[03:04] <Hobbsee> marseillai: you should be able to set that in the server list - there's a username and password field, which will auto-identify you
[03:04] <Hobbsee> but I see your point
[03:05] <marseillai> Hobbsee: it works on freenode yes! but no on another server i use
[03:05] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[03:05] <marseillai> so! it's not bad! konvi is so good! but xchat is more pretty good FOR ME!
[03:07] <danimo> are you sure that whatever shows up as beta3 is actually beta3?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> danimo: yeah, lintian screams loudly if you name the packages wrong.
[03:08] <Hobbsee> why do you ask?
[03:08] <danimo> Hobbsee: because features that should be there are not
[03:08] <danimo> like proper handling of podcast names
[03:09] <marseillai> danimo: !
[03:09] <Tm_T> Riddell: I thought you might be interested: "Kopete 0.12 will be released around the 1st of May."
[03:09] <marseillai> you should not have beta3 ......
[03:09] <marseillai> it doesn't work.....
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: yay!  that's way after UVF though...
[03:09] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: indeed
[03:09] <danimo> last changelog entry from april 6th
[03:10] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: but it would bring much improvenments, including reliability and filetransfer fixes
[03:10] <Hobbsee> better be ready to write a main inclusion statement, if it's needed :P
[03:10] <Tm_T> =)
[03:10] <Tm_T> o7
[03:15] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: also, looks like Kopete 0.12, adiumx, and incoming google talk will the very same chat styles
[03:15] <Tm_T> will use
[03:16] <Hobbsee> nice!
[03:16] <Tm_T> indeed
[03:16] <Tm_T> =)
[03:16] <danimo> ok, whatever is claimed to be beta3 is in fact at best beta1
[03:17] <Tm_T> actually I just compiled newest changes, restarting it ;)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> no wonder i keep missing everything!
[03:17] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: =)
[03:18] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: not missing everything, I'm right here ;)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> heeh
[03:18] <Tm_T> please don't hit me
[03:18] <Tm_T> ...somehow I feel people doesn't understand my sense of humour
[03:19] <Tm_T> it's more twisted than it seems
[03:19] <marseillai> danimo: from wich depot did you upgrade amarok ?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> i wasnt about it
[03:19] <Hobbsee> *to
[03:20] <Hobbsee> enough said, really, hehe
[03:20] <Tm_T> =)
[03:21] <Lathiat> hrm, has anyone else noticed that you cant alt+Drag windows in dapper to move em?
[03:21] <Lathiat> worked all the time in breezy, doesnt work most of the time in dapper
[03:21] <Lathiat> and i cant seem to find an option fo rit
[03:21] <danimo> marseillai: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-beta3 dapper main
[03:22] <marseillai> and it works ?
[03:22] <marseillai> ahum .....
[03:22] <danimo> ?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: doesnt happen on my system
[03:22] <freeflying> danimo: it's amarok-1.4-beta3?
[03:22] <danimo> freeflying: it _should_ be
[03:23] <Lathiat> hrm
[03:23] <Lathiat> should try blowing away my homedir then
[03:23] <Lathiat> Hobbsee: does it work on a terminal?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: the alt drag?
[03:24] <Lathiat> sit just standard working
[03:24] <Lathiat> after i change the allow movement of maximimzed window soption
[03:24] <Lathiat> which is a bit odd
[03:24] <Hobbsee> yeah, works here, i dont think i changed anything
[03:24] <Lathiat> hrm actually it seems to depend how long i wait before holding alt
[03:24] <Lathiat> i need a noticable delay
[03:24] <Lathiat> hrm
[03:24] <Lathiat> i used to just hit alt hit the mouse button and drag
[03:24] <Lathiat> interesting
[03:25] <danimo> oh, nevermind
[03:25] <danimo> something went terribly wrong with apt
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:26] <Hobbsee> you could try uninstalling it...someone wanted to yesterday...
[03:26] <Hobbsee> no, wait...that was wanting to uninstall dpkg
[03:27] <danimo> someone just renamed the directory to amarok14-beta3
[03:28] <_Sime> danimo: hey
[03:28] <danimo> _Sime: heya. time for some bad mood?
[03:28] <danimo> :=)
[03:28] <_Sime> oh
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hi _Sime
[03:29] <_Sime> danimo: do you have bad news?
[03:29] <_Sime> Hobbsee: hi, are you in .au?
[03:29] <danimo> _Sime: yes, it fail for me completely
[03:29] <danimo> fails even
[03:29] <danimo> _Sime: describing the problem takes a while
[03:29] <danimo> let me just get amarok 1.4 beta 3 installed
[03:30] <_Sime> danimo: is this an python exception prob?
[03:30] <marseillai> danimo: i see amarok as real beta 3 .....
[03:30] <danimo> no
[03:30] <Hobbsee> _Sime: yep
[03:30] <danimo> marseillai: yes, me too now
[03:30] <Hobbsee> sydney
[03:30] <danimo> marseillai: what's wrong with "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok14-beta3 dapper main"?
[03:30] <_Sime> Hobbsee: ok, I studied in melbourne
[03:31] <Hobbsee> fun :0
[03:31] <Hobbsee> danimo: nothing at all - except that the packages in that repo apparently crash on start
[03:31] <marseillai> Hobbsee: now it works
[03:31] <marseillai> had to remove config files
[03:32] <Hobbsee> marseillai: yay!  (which was this again?)
[03:32] <marseillai> /share/config and apps
[03:32] <danimo> outch :)
[03:32] <danimo> nevermind :)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:32] <danimo> I cannot type
[03:32] <Hobbsee> yeah, neither - it's kinda cold here
[03:32] <danimo> .au is not the warmest place to stay around this time is it?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> and i'm being blasted in #kubuntu, with people saying "the current theme is terrible" - yeah, tell me somethign i dont know!!!
[03:33] <Hobbsee> no, not really......
[03:33] <danimo> Hobbsee: yeah, the current theme has ... room for improvement
[03:33] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[03:33] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:33] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, the guy in charge of it hasnt done that much with it recently, and isnt here this minute
[03:33] <danimo> Hobbsee: kwwii?
[03:34] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: kwwii?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:34] <Tm_T> haha
[03:34] <Tm_T> have to push him
[03:34] <Tm_T> already promised to kill his son yesterday
[03:34] <danimo> Tm_T: he or you? :)
[03:34] <Tm_T> I
[03:34] <danimo> at least the dragon is gone from the wallaper
[03:35] <Hobbsee> marseillai: yeah, there are some nice bits - but it can get better!
[03:35] <marseillai> lol
[03:35] <danimo> but the fact that you get 3-4 different wallapers from kdm to desktop is ugly
[03:35] <marseillai> i like this dragon painting the desktop in orange
[03:35] <Tm_T> danimo: hey, I wanna see the dragon wallpaper!
[03:35] <marseillai> :d
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: see kubuntu.org
[03:35] <danimo> Tm_T: hmm?
[03:36] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: that one?... I now understand
[03:36] <Hobbsee> i assume so, yes
[03:36] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperArtworkTodo
[03:36] <Hobbsee> that's the working page of kwwi's stuff, i think
[03:37] <Hobbsee> *kwwii
[03:38] <danimo> marseillai: I'm up to the point where it crashes now, yay :)
[03:38] <Hobbsee> danimo: hehe!
[03:39] <marseillai> danimo: amarok crashes on your machine ?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> hmmm...7 weeks...
[03:39] <Hobbsee> wonder when artwork freeze is, as this stuff needs to be done before that
[03:39] <danimo> marseillai: absofuckinlutely!
[03:39] <marseillai> danimo: rm your config files
[03:40] <danimo> marseillai: no help
[03:40] <marseillai> Riddell: now after a remove, reinstall and remove config files amarok beta3 works fine .....
[03:40] <marseillai> danimo: dpkg -r then apt-get install rm config file and it should works
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: any idea when artwork freeze is?  doestn seem to be on dapper release schedule...
[03:41] <danimo> marseillai: it's podcast stuff that crashes
[03:42] <freeflying> anyone know tonio's repo's url
[03:42] <marseillai> yes i know it
[03:42] <marseillai> why ?
[03:42] <freeflying> Hobbsee: do you know ?
[03:43] <marseillai> freeflying: why this question
[03:43] <marseillai> freeflying: you can trust this repository
[03:43] <freeflying> marseillai: need some package from his repo
[03:43] <marseillai> tonio make many packages for kubuntu as Knetworkmanager and many else
[03:44] <marseillai> ah! amarok 1.4beta3 bug ........ where is the bugzilla?
[03:45] <danimo> marseillai: works now
[03:45] <Hobbsee> freeflying: what?  yes, i do
[03:45] <Hobbsee> #Kubuntu networkmanager packages
[03:45] <Hobbsee> deb http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu dapper main
[03:45] <Hobbsee> deb-src http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu dapper main
[03:45] <freeflying> Hobbsee: tonio's repo
[03:45] <Hobbsee> gotcha ;P
[03:45] <freeflying> Hobbsee: thx
[03:46] <Hobbsee> careful, some stuff in it breaks from time to time
[03:46] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I see
[03:46] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: no idea
[03:46] <Hobbsee> marseillai: upstream, or packaging bug?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: darn
[03:46] <marseillai> danimo: could you verify a bug with me please before i report ?
[03:46] <marseillai> upstream Hobbsee
[03:46] <danimo> marseillai: sure
[03:47] <Hobbsee> marseillai: bugs.kde.org
[03:47] <marseillai> danimo: when you keep the mouse on amarok systray icone does the popup menu appears in his right place or on the top of the screen N
[03:47] <marseillai> Hobbsee: verify the bug and if it is i report
[03:48] <Hobbsee> appears in the right place, with beta2
[03:48] <danimo> marseillai: hmm?
[03:48] <marseillai> arf
[03:48] <marseillai> Hobbsee: cold you explain in better english i can't do better! :s
[03:48] <danimo> marseillai: everything seems to be in the right place
[03:48] <marseillai> could
[03:48] <marseillai> arf
[03:48] <marseillai> so it's my bug
[03:49] <Hobbsee> marseillai: what danimo said.  using beta2 packages.
[03:49] <marseillai> danimo: the yellow window just appear on your mouse ?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> as in, amarok 1.4 beta2 packages
[03:49] <danimo> marseillai: yepp
[03:49] <danimo> marseillai: amarok - rediscover your music!
[03:50] <marseillai> arf!
[03:50] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i've just discovered a goldmine of kubuntu images... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuArtwork
[03:51] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: yeah
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i think we should stick that somewhere in the next meeting - everyone look, and pick which one would be best.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> if kwwii doesnt come up with something mindblowing in the meantime
[03:53] <Tm_T> maybe
[03:54] <Hobbsee> oh well
[04:06] <danimo> argl
[04:06] <danimo> who created that ubuntu theme for amarok?
[04:06] <danimo> it's totally unreadable :(
[04:06] <Hobbsee> hi allee
[04:06] <allee> Ho, ho Hobbsee
[04:06] <allee> Hobbsee: oh, why?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> tired, and getting whined at about the current theme in dapper...
[04:06] <marseillai> danimo: it's the first thing i changed! ;)
[04:07] <Tm_T> =)
[04:07] <Tm_T> so I have no idea what defaults looks like
[04:07] <allee> Hobbsee: yeah, theme is not optimal
[04:07] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[04:08] <Tm_T> nooooo
[04:08] <Tm_T> oh well
[04:09] <Hobbsee> darn it!
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hit close on the wrong window
[04:09] <marseillai> Tm_T: you have MANY unread article in akregartor! go and read!
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:09] <Hobbsee> nah, just right click, force all read
[04:09] <Hobbsee> or whatever it is
[04:09] <marseillai> lol
[04:13] <danimo> marseillai: same here. but if it is so terrible, we should pull it from the package
[04:15] <allee> Hobbsee: Ctrl-R :)
[04:15] <Tm_T> marseillai: no, it's Kmail, not aKregator
[04:15] <Hobbsee> that too
[04:15] <marseillai> worse Tm_T
[04:15] <Tm_T> marseillai: well, that's just what I get in one day
[04:16] <marseillai> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/181-Helping-AMU.html ----->> agree with the idea but not with the way to do .......
[04:21] <Lathiat> also, anyoen noticed konqueror getting a little worse at rendering webpages lately
[04:21] <Lathiat> ?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> marseillai: very true.  it looks rather like a ransom note
[04:28] <marseillai> yep
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ...and people/companies tend not to bow to ransom notes
[04:28] <marseillai> i understand the demand! but not the way to demand
[04:28] <Hobbsee> marseillai: see your private messages...
[04:39] <Hobbsee> night all...
[07:06] <seaLne> i think the problem is that some people are still trying to get their heads round the fact that canonical is making money out of the work they do for free
[07:11] <danimo> hmm, pity, amarok 1.4 is build without excalibar support on dapper
[07:18] <seaLne> danimo: what is needed for it?
[07:19] <apachelogger> exscalibar
[07:19] <apachelogger> impossbile to build a package though
[07:20] <apachelogger> I'm now on it for about 4 weeks
[07:20] <apachelogger> it's still not working
[07:20] <Tm_T> =)
[07:20] <Tm_T> danimo: you can always compile amaroK yourself
[07:20] <seaLne> ah
[07:20] <apachelogger> yups
[07:20] <apachelogger> and exscalibar
[07:21] <apachelogger> since the only somewhat package is a gentoo ebuild
[07:21] <apachelogger> no rpm for any distro and no deb .. nothing
[07:21] <apachelogger> exscalibar is packagers hell :<
[07:23] <seaLne> yeah even the website is hard to get working :)
[07:24] <apachelogger> ;-)
[07:35] <jpatrick> evening
[08:15] <danimo> _Sime: ping?
[08:43] <jpatrick> hi Lure
[08:43] <Lure> ki jpatrick
[08:43] <Lure> s/ki/hi/
[08:43] <Lure> ;-)
[08:44] <jpatrick> :)
[08:45] <jpatrick> what's going on?
[08:46] <Lure> not much - just looking new powersave to understand what is fixed...
[08:46] <jpatrick> wow, sailing...
[08:47] <jpatrick> I'm just watching kerry's, kmplayer's and kcontrol-kdmtheme's build process
[08:49] <Lure> jpatrick: just seen new kerry being downloaded - did we now address hotkey issue (katapult/kerry/yakuake)?
[08:50] <jpatrick> Lure: I did that ages ago
[08:51] <Lure> I have seen F12 is now used, but that was also default for yakuake....
[08:51] <jpatrick> arg...
[08:51] <Riddell> seaLne: canonical is making money?
[08:51] <jpatrick> hope not
[08:51] <jpatrick> that's illegal
[08:51] <Riddell> danimo: what's excalibar support?
[08:52] <jpatrick> Lure: right, I'll change it to F13 (if that's ok)
[08:53] <Lure> I would preffer something around Space... As Ctrl+Alt+Space is searching for selection already
[08:53] <Lure> Win+Space would be nice, but it is not avail on other platforms (like PPC)...
[08:57] <danimo> Riddell: a lib needed for moodbar http://rokymotion.pwsp.net/promowiki/images/c/c4/Moodbar-1.4-dangle.png
[08:58] <jpatrick> Riddell: the meaning of eye-candy
[08:58] <jpatrick> shows the mood of your music
[08:59] <Riddell> riiight
[09:00] <jpatrick> I was going to package it at some point
[09:01] <Tm_T> jpatrick: apachelogger is doing it already
[09:01] <Tm_T> jpatrick: or trying to
[09:01] <jpatrick> Tm_T: :)
[09:01] <Tm_T> jpatrick: but he said it's impossible
[09:02] <jpatrick> Lure: Ctrl-Shift-Space ?
[09:02] <Tm_T> jpatrick: also, I couldn't make that moodbar work here
[09:02] <Tm_T> jpatrick: got only empty lines
[09:02] <Lure> jpatrick: better then Fxx
[09:02] <Riddell> hi Bluekuja
[09:03] <Bluekuja> hi :)
[09:03] <Tm_T> Bluekuja: ciao tutti!
[09:03] <Tm_T> jpatrick: ;)
[09:03] <Bluekuja> hehe ciao
[09:03] <jpatrick> Tm_T: how annoying
[09:03] <Bluekuja> nice to meet you all
[09:03] <Tm_T> jpatrick: no shit =)
[09:04] <Bluekuja> my name is andrea
[09:04] <Bluekuja> ^^
[09:04] <Riddell> Bluekuja here is our new elite kubuntu italian dude
[09:04] <Riddell> http://exscalibar.sourceforge.net/  hmm, not a good sign
[09:05] <Bluekuja> ok perfect
[09:05] <jpatrick> Riddell: ouch
[09:06] <Bluekuja> error from that page
[09:06] <Bluekuja> guys where all of you come from?
[09:07] <Riddell> Scotland!
[09:07] <Bluekuja> nice place
[09:07] <Riddell> http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/exscalibar/exscalibar-1.0.4.tar.bz2
[09:07] <Riddell> hmm, qmake
[09:07] <jpatrick> is it KShortcut(CTRL+SHIFT+Key_F12); ?
[09:08] <Tm_T> Bluekuja: Eastern Finland
[09:08] <Bluekuja> o
[09:09] <Bluekuja> cold zone hehe
[09:10] <Bluekuja> ok perfect im from udine
[09:10] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[09:10] <Bluekuja> eastern area of italy
[09:10] <Lure> Tonio_: hi
[09:10] <Tm_T> Bluekuja: cold? never
[09:10] <Lure> Bluekuja:  very near then....
[09:11] <Tonio_> Lure: news about the vpn component of networkmanager ?
[09:11] <Lure> Tonio_: not really - just that danimo want it too ;-)
[09:11] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[09:11] <Tonio_> I may have a look on revu about that
[09:12] <Bluekuja> yeah lure
[09:12] <Bluekuja> we're near
[09:12] <Bluekuja> which city?
[09:12] <Bluekuja> of slovenia?
[09:13] <Lure> Bluekuja: I am from Ljubljana, but I am in Nova Gorica once per week (have half of my team there)
[09:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I retested kaffeine 0.8 and I think we should have a look at it for dapper.... the video part (except the konq component) is really much better
[09:13] <Bluekuja> nice
[09:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: also there is now a really missing feature : a control bar in fullscreen mode... I've been waiting for this for month :)
[09:13] <Lure> Tonio_: isn;t there 0.8.1 already?
[09:14] <Tonio_> Lure: yes I was talking about this one ;)
[09:14] <Tonio_> Lure: is it in dapper already ? I don't think so
[09:14] <Bluekuja> sometimes i play some basketball matches in gorizia or trieste^^
[09:14] <Lure> Tonio_: no, we are waiting for you... ;-)
[09:14] <Tonio_> Lure: still 0.7.1
[09:15] <Tonio_> Lure: no need to package it actually ;) fabo is packaging it for debian and maintaining it ;)
[09:15] <Tonio_> We just need to ping him
[09:15] <Lure> Tonio_: do you plan to update k-d-s soon - I have one minor stuff to include (1920x1200 wallpapers)
[09:15] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm not the official maintainer :)
[09:15] <Tm_T> KMPlayer rocks
[09:15] <Tonio_> jpatrick: not as a standalone player
[09:15] <Tm_T> Tonio_: what's wrong
[09:15] <Tonio_> kmplayer misses lots of features compared to kaffeine on that point
[09:16] <jpatrick> how?
[09:16] <Tonio_> Tm_T: subtitles management
[09:16] <jpatrick> what about it?
[09:16] <Tm_T> Tonio_: subtitles management?
[09:16] <Tonio_> doesn't read correctly ogm files, and I had problems with matroska too
[09:16] <Tm_T> interesting
[09:16] <Tonio_> Tm_T: it doesn't autoload subtitles for me
[09:16] <Tm_T> Tonio_: what subtitles
[09:17] <Tonio_> Tm_T: avi subtitles ;)
[09:17] <Tonio_> srt files for example
[09:17] <Tm_T> Tonio_: ever seen separate subtitles else but to warez stuff
[09:18] <Tonio_> Tm_T: subtitles isn't warez stuff....
[09:18] <Tonio_> Tm_T: It happens to me to rip a dvd but keeping chapters and subtitles
[09:18] <Tonio_> what's wrong with this ?
[09:18] <Tm_T> nothing
[09:18] <Tonio_> nice ;)
[09:18] <Tm_T> Tonio_: what I said is _I_ have ever seen subtitles to anything else but warezmovies
[09:19] <Tm_T> and no, not in my pc
[09:19] <Tonio_> Tm_T: that's the way they are used most of the time, I agree
[09:19] <Tm_T> yup
[09:20] <Tonio_> Tm_T: does kmplayer provide streaming server/client functionnalities ?
[09:20] <Tonio_> I don't think so
[09:20] <Tm_T> almost same category than "I use dc++ to share school projects"
[09:20] <Tm_T> Tonio_: no idea
[09:20] <Tm_T> Tonio_: it's video player
[09:20] <Tonio_> Tm_T: If I had to choose a videoplayer for dapper, I would choose codeine
[09:20] <Tonio_> simple, minimalist, stable, efficient
[09:21] <Tonio_> but in the kaffeine VS kmplayer fight, I really prefer kaffeine for the standalone player
[09:21] <Tm_T> Tonio_: KMPlayer is my choice, works, easy, simple enough, and have multiple backends
[09:21] <Tm_T> Tonio_: to me Kaffeine offers nothing special but crashes =)
[09:22] <Tonio_> Tm_T: standalone crashing ?
[09:22] <Tm_T> Tonio_: but that's my needs, to many users Kaffeine ofcourse is the choice
[09:22] <Tm_T> Tonio_: yup
[09:22] <Tm_T> Tonio_: that was long ago, haven't used it since
[09:22] <jpatrick> Tonio_: Tm_T++
[09:22] <Tm_T> Tonio_: to Kubuntu, Kaffeine, to me? KMPlayer :)
[09:23] <Tm_T> I know I'm not typical user
[09:23] <Tm_T> I just watch news and some random video clips
[09:24] <Tonio_> Tm_T: ++ on that point :)
[09:24] <Tonio_> we are geeks, not the standard target of kubuntu
[09:27] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I'm not geek
[09:28] <Tm_T> I just happen to develop/modify/use programs a lot ;p
[09:29] <Tonio_> Tm_T: that's my definition of a geek ;)
[09:29] <Tonio_> to me an associal personn that lives for informatics isn't a geek, but a nerd :)
[09:29] <Tonio_> which is different
[09:29] <Tonio_> I consider myself a geek ;)
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: can you check this debdiff: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/648429
[09:31] <Tonio_> Lure: shure
[09:31] <Tonio_> sure
[09:31] <Lure> this is using new kwwii's image from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperKubuntuLoginScreen
[09:32] <Tonio_> Lure: looks good to me, should work
[09:32] <jpatrick> Lure: fixed as of kerry_0.1-0ubuntu2
[09:33] <Lure> Tonio_: it works for me - should I send the k-d-s source to you and can you upload?
[09:33] <Tonio_> Lure: but I think we need to keep background sync between kdm theme and ksplash theme
[09:33] <Lure> jpatrick: so Shift-Ctrl-Space?
[09:33] <Tonio_> Lure: I can't upload k-d-s directly ;) it is in main
[09:33] <Tonio_> I'm not still coredev
[09:33] <Tonio_> ^^
[09:33] <jpatrick> Lure: yes
[09:33] <Tonio_> ask Riddell or raphink
[09:34] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, didn't know that - since you did lots' of changes to k-d-s I thought it is best to poke you... ;-)
[09:34] <Lure> jpatrick: great!
[09:35] <Lure> Tonio_: I have changed it for both kdm and ksplash
[09:35] <jpatrick> Lure: just uploaded, wait like an hour
[09:36] <Tonio_> Lure: oups sorry :) I missed it ;)
[09:36] <Tonio_> jpatrick: you uploaded k-d-s ?
[09:36] <jpatrick> no kerry
[09:36] <Tonio_> HO kerry ;)
[09:37] <jpatrick> as in -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-April/009033.html
[09:37] <Tonio_> jpatrick: are you fine with the cdbs package I built with kerry ?
[09:37] <Tonio_> jpatrick: there were a few bugs on yours (patches not applyed for example)
[09:37] <jpatrick> Tonio_: yes, of course, that slipped out of my mind :)
[09:38] <Tonio_> jpatrick: hehe :)
[09:38] <Tonio_> no review for knetworkmanager, wlassistant and kmplayer still......
[09:38] <Tonio_> need to wait......
[09:39] <jpatrick> kmplayer?
[09:39] <Tonio_> jpatrick: revu for main :)
[09:39] <jpatrick> Ah right
[09:39] <jpatrick> i uploaded a new version today
[09:39] <Tonio_> just saw that ;)
[09:39] <Tonio_> jpatrick: nice that it can now record using xine
[09:39] <Tonio_> jpatrick: did you set the parameters in kmplayerrc ?
[09:40] <jpatrick> Tonio_: yes
[09:41] <Tonio_> jpatrick: great ;)
[09:43] <Lure> Tonio_: have you seen that knm is now available in KDE svn? And did you check debian svn for their packaging stuff?
[09:43] <seaLne> Riddell: ok, potentially making money :-)
[09:47] <Tonio_> Lure: nope ;) I haven't been available for a few days.... that's a very good news !
[09:47] <Lure> Tonio_: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1911
[09:48] <Lure> not much new fixes in yet though...
[09:48] <Tonio_> _Sime: ping ?
[09:48] <Tonio_> Lure: the version we actually have for dapper is really nice ;) no need to update for the moment to me, don't you think ?
[09:49] <Tonio_> Lure: we should ask for beagle package to be split.......
[09:49] <Lure> Tonio_: agree - it works if NM works. good thing is that now we can follow the progress and decide
[09:49] <Tonio_> it is stupid to depend on gtklibs for a daemon........
[09:49] <Lure> Tonio_: jpatrick mentioned that he might look into this
[09:49] <Riddell> hmm, kubuntu de gone slightly overboard today
[09:50] <Tonio_> hey Riddell :)
[09:50] <jpatrick> Riddell: yep
[09:50] <Lure> this gtk/mono dep is a bit too much, but kerry just works
[09:50] <jpatrick> they think they have problems
[09:50] <Tonio_> Lure: mono is a "real dep", not gtklibs...
[09:51] <Lure> Riddell: I do not understand the background of their concerns, but even less I understand their way
[09:51] <Tonio_> Lure: what are you all talking about ? I'm lost ;) what happened ?
[09:51] <Lure> Tonio_: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=14283
[09:52] <Tonio_> Lure: thanks
[09:52] <jpatrick> Lure: it will be one mess package work
[09:52] <jpatrick> messy*
[09:53] <Lure> jpatrick: I can imagine - I just briefly looked in OpenSuSE if they have done some split in rpm, but they have it the same as we currently :-(
[09:53] <Tonio_> Lure: wow...
[09:54] <jpatrick> Lure: i'll have it done by tomorrow noon
[09:54] <Lure> jpatrick: really? - that is great news!
[09:55] <jpatrick> well, by tomorrow
[10:02] <jpatrick> rc/geddei/globals.cpp:17:20: error: config.h: No such file or directory
[10:02] <jpatrick> src/geddei/globals.cpp:24: error: VERSION was not declared in this scope
[10:02] <jpatrick> make: *** [globals.o]  Error 1
[10:02] <jpatrick> that's great
[10:08] <jpatrick> okay, I'm going with apachelogger - this is impossible
[10:10] <_Sime> Tonio_: pong
[10:10] <_Sime> Tonio_: ping
[10:11] <_Sime> danimo: pong
[10:11] <jpatrick> Lure: damn, it's in main
[10:12] <Lure> jpatrick: beagle? I do not think so...
[10:12] <jpatrick> is
[10:13] <jpatrick> Get: 2 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main beagle 0.2.3-0ubuntu6 (tar) [1684kB]
[10:13] <Lure> wow, that is new to me...
[10:14] <Lure> recenty included in main: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportBeagle
[10:15] <Lure> jpatrick: but this should not stop us (I think) - we just need to persuade more people... ;-)
[10:15] <Tonio_> _Sime: sorry I was away ;)
[10:15] <_Sime> me too!
[10:16] <Tonio_> _Sime: I was just looking at knetworkconf and I thought about something
[10:16] <_Sime> what's up?
[10:16] <Tonio_> about the guidance modules that require to be root to do modifications
[10:16] <Riddell> beagle is only in main because nautilus build-deps on beagle-lib
[10:16] <Riddell> the beagle application is still in universe
[10:16] <Tonio_> why don't you make options unclicable if not in admin mode ?
[10:17] <Tonio_> _Sime: I must say having the ability to do modifications and click "apply" without anu change can be confusing no ?
[10:17] <Tonio_> _Sime: I like the way knetworkconf does
[10:17] <danimo> _Sime: hi
[10:17] <_Sime> Tonio_: what are you referring to specifically?
[10:17] <danimo> _Sime: got some time?
[10:18] <_Sime> danimo: a bit.
[10:18] <Tonio_> _Sime: I refer to the fact that you cannot click anything in knetworkconf until you go in administrator mode
[10:18] <_Sime> Tonio_: ummm what has this to do with guidance?
[10:19] <_Sime> Tonio_: guidances works the same way.
[10:19] <jpatrick> I wonder what would happen if I make kerry dep on libbeagle0
[10:19] <Tonio_> _si ?
[10:19] <Tonio_> _Sime: hu ?
[10:19] <_Sime> Tonio_: do you have an example in mind?
[10:20] <Tonio_> _Sime: let me check ;) I though about that a few weeks ago ;)
[10:20] <Tonio_> _Sime: is that recently implemented ? I don't remember guidance was working like that.......
[10:20] <_Sime> Tonio_: bug??? but, yes guidance is meant to work like that. :)
[10:21] <Tonio_> _Sime: for example system services.......
[10:21] <_Sime> Tonio_: If is doesn't, then it is a bug. ;)
[10:21] <Tonio_> _Sime: you cannot apply but you can change stuff, why not making any change impossible ?
[10:21] <_Sime> Tonio_: you can't change stuff in services.
[10:21] <_Sime> Tonio_: if you are not root
[10:21] <Tonio_> _Sime: you can play with the run level
[10:22] <_Sime> Tonio_: that doesn't change the run level though.
[10:22] <Tonio_> _Sime: but I agree it is not like it was a few weeks ago ;)
[10:22] <Tonio_> _Sime: last month I was able to play with the "display" module, but it was bugging for me
[10:22] <Tonio_> _Sime: it is now okay, so sorry for bugging you with this :)
[10:22] <Tonio_> _Sime: I should have looked because asking :)
[10:23] <_Sime> Tonio_: no prob. but please, test things, try to break it. There are still bugs to find (and fix!)
[10:23] <_Sime> Tonio_: are you using a laptop btw?
[10:23] <Tonio_> _Sime: I did, but I gave it to my lovelly this week end ;)
[10:24] <Tonio_> she needs it ;)
[10:24] <_Sime> oh
[10:24] <_Sime> I want to know if clone mode   /vga-out is working for laptops.
[10:24] <Tonio_> _Sime: I can't test anymore
[10:24] <_Sime> I've got reports that using clone mode on (some) laptops is not working well.
[10:24] <danimo> _Sime: basically I wanted to discuss my problems with displayconfig
[10:24] <jpatrick> _Sime: I have one
[10:24] <_Sime> danimo: please do.
[10:25] <_Sime> jpatrick: ok, split it out. :-)
[10:25] <_Sime> spit
[10:25] <_Sime> i mean
[10:25] <jpatrick> what should i do'
[10:26] <danimo> _Sime: ok, lets start with my setup: laptop with LCD-Display (1024x800) and external VGA-output
[10:26] <danimo> _Sime: which is (sometimes) connected to a 1280x1024 monitor
[10:26] <_Sime> jpatrick: oh, sorry, you HAVE a laptop. (I though a problem in guidance)
[10:26] <Tonio_> _Sime: I could have done the test till yesterday, too bad :)
[10:26] <_Sime> danimo: yes
[10:26] <danimo> _Sime: first problem: displayconfig configures my display for a use with 75 Hz
[10:27] <jpatrick> _Sime: :)
[10:27] <danimo> _Sime: which is nonsistical, and makes the picture flicker on the external monitor
[10:27] <_Sime> danimo: you can turn that rate down, or not?
[10:27] <danimo> _Sime: furthermore, I am not able to configure a display resulting of 1280x1024
[10:27] <danimo> _Sime: no, I can only chose 75 Hz
[10:28] <_Sime> danimo: have you tried selecting the monitor model on the hardware tab?
[10:28] <_Sime> danimo: for the first & second monitors.
[10:29] <_Sime> danimo: I hope you actually see two monitors on the hardware tab. :-/
[10:29] <danimo> _Sime: well, it is only one monitor physically
[10:29] <_Sime> danimo: and the hardware tab?
[10:30] <danimo> _Sime: intel 915 and vesa driver
[10:30] <danimo> _Sime: I only have the intel card though
[10:31] <_Sime> danimo: yes, but how many monitor icons are being displayed on the hardware tab in systemsettings/
[10:31] <_Sime> ?
[10:32] <danimo> _Sime: one per card
[10:33] <_Sime> danimo: ok, it sounds like displayconfig hasn't detected that your machine is dualhead/clone/cga-out capable.
[10:33] <_Sime> danimo: you've only got one card though?
[10:37] <_Sime> danimo: I'll probably have to use the small "detect-laptop" script in displayconfig to detect a vga-out.
[10:37] <_Sime> danimo: every laptop has vga-out I assume
[10:39] <jpatrick> evening raphink
[10:40] <raphink> hi jpatrick
[10:40] <raphink> hi apachelogger
[10:41] <jpatrick> yo apachelogger
[10:41] <raphink> Tonio_: je suis l maintenant ;)
[10:42] <danimo> _Sime: yes, but some do have acutal dual head output
[10:43] <danimo> _Sime: it should just be like on windows (tm). if I switch to "display on both", the output is switched to the "least common denominator" (1024x800) for both, if I switch to the external monitor exclusively, it should get the optimal size (1280x1024)
[10:43] <_Sime> danimo: ok, i see
[10:44] <_Sime> danimo: I'll check that that is what is does in clone mode.
[10:45] <_Sime> danimo: do you have an example of a xorg.conf that works well for you AND gives uses the VGA-out too?
[10:46] <_Sime> danimo: or does you laptop always output on vga-out?
[10:46] <Tonio_> raphink: pv
[10:46] <_Sime> danimo: most desktop cards need 'Clone' mode turned on.
[10:50] <danimo> _Sime: no it doesn't, I have to switch through it
[10:51] <apachelogger> ahoy jpatrick
[10:51] <_Sime> danimo: what do you mean? you just press a button and it does it by itself?
[10:51] <apachelogger> hey raphink
[10:51] <apachelogger> aloha to all :)
[10:51] <danimo> _Sime: yes
[10:51] <raphink> hi apachelogger
[10:51] <danimo> _Sime: most keyboards do it that way
[10:51] <danimo> _Sime: the windows software even has means to catch those hooks
[10:52] <danimo> _Sime: (hooks that apperantly get send from the hardware when the switchover happens)
[10:52] <danimo> _Sime: no, I haven't yet succeeded in building a proper xorg.conf
[10:59] <danimo> _Sime: not sure if linux supports the toggle hooks at all. and without them we have no chance whatsoever to adjust the display size properly
[11:02] <_Sime> danimo: i'm not sure what to do in that case...