[01:20] <h00k> ripps!
[01:21] <ripps> h00k: yo
[01:21] <h00k> ripps: Nice job on the elementary-nautilus packaging
[01:21] <h00k> ripps: are you a MOTU yet?
[01:21] <ripps> h00k: nope
[01:22] <h00k> ripps: why not?
[01:22] <h00k> ripps: Also, you should try for membership!
[01:23] <ripps> h00k: Eh, need to write up an application, and I'm sure I've fixed enough Ubuntu bugs. I tend to fix bugs in the Ubuntu side-projects...
[01:23] <ripps> *not sure I've fixed enough Ubuntu bugs
[01:23] <h00k> so, you should create a wiki
[01:23] <h00k> and I encourage you to go for it
[01:23] <h00k> if you want.
[01:23] <h00k> !member
[01:23] <ripps> h00k: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ripps818
[01:25] <h00k> ripps: yeah. I'm pretty sure you should go for it.
[01:26] <ripps> I've tried to apply for a MOTU mentorship, but nobody has gotten back to me.
[01:26] <h00k> Really?
[01:27] <h00k> ripps: how long ago was that?
[01:27] <ripps> h00k: a few months
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> My lappy is getting finicky, but I don't really feel like buying a new one yet...
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: btw, I got it running again, but it's still occasionally strange.  AFAICT, it's happy once it gets booted at least now.
[01:29] <h00k> ripps: using this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted
[01:29] <h00k> ripps: and also https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu-mentors
[01:31] <h00k> ripps: I mean, you can do as you wish, I think your skills are pretty cool
[01:32] <ripps> h00k: I could try, but I think my biggest barrier to membership is that most MOTU's aren't very familiar with me, so I'm not sure who I can get to vouch for me.
[01:32] <h00k> ripps: are you in #ubuntu-motu?
[01:32] <h00k> yep
[01:49] <h00k> sparklehistory: hello!
[01:49] <sparklehistory> Hi h00k!
[01:49] <h00k> How are you, this fine cloudy day?
[01:50] <sparklehistory> Pretty good, just makin myself some dinner
[01:50] <h00k> I haven't eaten dinner yet, I don't know what to make :(
[01:50] <sparklehistory> How are you?
[01:50] <h00k> I'm doing pretty alright! I can't complain.
[01:50] <sparklehistory> Mine has been a matter of pull it out of the fridge and toss it in the pan and see what happens
[01:51] <sparklehistory> I hear you recently got engaged, congratulations!
[01:52] <h00k> :D Thanks! I blame tonyyarusso for that one
[01:53] <sparklehistory> h00k: For telling me or getting engaged? :P
[01:54] <h00k> HAH.  And video, pics, etc.
[01:55] <sparklehistory> He did keep it a secret until after you proposed, and enjoyed tormenting me with the fact that there was something he knew that I didn't.
[01:56] <h00k> HAH!
[01:56] <h00k> Seriously?
[01:56] <sparklehistory> of course
[01:56] <h00k> >.<
[01:57] <sparklehistory> So what have you been up to this summer?
[01:58] <h00k> Oooh. working, mostly
[01:59] <sparklehistory> Same here, nothing too exciting
[01:59] <h00k> Uuum, driving the motorcycle when the weather is nice
[02:00] <sparklehistory> That sounds like fun!  I've been trying to get outside on the weekends, escape from the office atmosphere.
[02:01] <h00k> Yeah. Where 'bouts do you work? Or, what kind of work, rather?
[02:03] <sparklehistory> I work in the cities, in law.
[02:03] <h00k> Ah, okay.
[02:03] <sparklehistory> How about you?
[02:03] <h00k> I work for an IT company
[02:04] <h00k> in Rhinelander, WI
[02:08] <sparklehistory> ah, cool
[02:09] <h00k> So, we do IT for local businesses
[02:09] <sparklehistory> Do you do mainly open source?
[02:10] <h00k> unfortunately, no. We are a Microsoft Gold partner and provided mainly Microsoft options, but we're starting to become more open (mostly because of my influence) in providing the best option for the customer's needs
[02:12] <h00k> I'm trying to shake things up a bit
[02:12] <sparklehistory> that's good, it's always nice to let people know they have options
[02:13] <h00k> Yes
[02:13] <sparklehistory> It's was nice chatting with you, but I'm off to eat now
[02:13] <h00k> I use Ubuntu on my work-provided laptop and run Win 7 in a virtual machine for our tools like Go To Assist, etc
[02:14] <h00k> Enjoy dinner!
[02:14] <sparklehistory> thanks!
[02:23] <h00k> Ubuntu Wisconsin is having a meeting at 8:00pm on Wednesday in #ubuntu-us-wi if anyone would like to join! Topics will include Global Jam participation and potential release parties
[03:32]  * tonyyarusso waves
[03:33] <h00k> Hey there!
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> So, wanna buy me a new laptop?
[03:35] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: no....but you can buy yourself one :)
[03:35] <h00k> tonyyarusso: what did you do? I told you they don't work underwater
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> h00k: nothing, it's just old and used.  It's developed some sort of slightly loose connection in the motherboard or chipset or hard drive interface that causes it to pause occasionally, usually during early stages of the boot sequence.
[03:37] <h00k> did you run a memtest?
[03:37] <h00k> does it kernel panic?
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> I'm working on it as we speak, so it's functional, but I'm starting to think it's nearing retirement time (purchased 2005).
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> no, kernel's totally happy.
[03:37] <h00k> Interesting. I had a bad L2 cache and kernel panic'd, I was able to get a dump on netconsole
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> Symptoms are you'll type "Hello", "He" will print to the screen, then you rock it back and forth or press on the chassis a bit and then "llo" will print out.
[03:39] <h00k> ^o) what the hell
[03:39] <h00k> That shouldn't even...happen.
[03:39] <h00k> what does S.M.A.R.T. data say on your HD?
[03:39] <tonyyarusso> I don't think this drive supports it
[03:39] <h00k> :(
[03:39] <h00k> Check with palimpset
[03:39] <h00k> or what it's called
[03:40] <tonyyarusso> oh, nvm "Has a few bad sectors" - guess it does.
[03:40] <h00k> how many is a few?
[03:40] <h00k> It should give you a detailed report
[03:41] <tonyyarusso> 2
[03:41] <tonyyarusso> on last check at least - manually running now
[03:44] <tonyyarusso> never any trouble reading or writing data either
[03:45] <h00k> Oh. 2?
[03:45] <h00k> that's nothing
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> right
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> I'm think like a solder joint between a component and the motherboard that popped off a bit.
[03:52] <h00k> I have a soldering iron you can borrow
[03:52] <h00k> and some hot-glue
[03:54] <tonyyarusso> I have one too, but I haven't found what's wrong yet - just a guess based on the symptoms.
[03:55] <h00k> Yeah, that is awkward. RAM is okay?
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> I was half-pondering selling it to Takyoji and making it his problem :P  (If I decide I can shell out for a replacement)
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> should be - RAM is non-original.
[03:56] <h00k> do a memtest, that can't hurt
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> true.  Need me to reboot though :P
[03:57] <Takyoji> I was just curious of it; was all
[03:57] <h00k> yeah. is that the machine you're on?
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> yup
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: aww, fine
[03:58] <Takyoji> as might be able to find people interested
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> speaking off selling off old machines though, h00k was at one point half-interested in my desktop and never got back to me...
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> and I still need to send a quote for my keyboard to exigraff
[03:59] <h00k> tonyyarusso: oh yeah, tell me about it again? I totally forgot :D
[03:59]  * tonyyarusso looks for the spreadsheet
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> http://files.tonyyarusso.com/netvista_valuation.ods
[04:00] <h00k> netvista
[04:00] <h00k> makes me nervous
[04:00] <Takyoji> Good ol' oldie games. Was just playing Descent; and Cyberia before that; in DosBox
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> lordy, that was back in April
[04:01] <tonyyarusso> h00k: why?  It's a a pretty decent little machine.
[04:01] <h00k> tonyyarusso: just the 'Vista' part
[04:01] <tonyyarusso> ah, lol
[04:02] <tonyyarusso> Well, this was before Microsoft used that term, so...  (It's an IBM, btw, from toward the tail end of IBM making PCs before offloading to Lenovo.)
[04:02] <h00k> tonyyarusso: Ah, I remember this!
[04:02] <h00k> It's got a P4
[04:02] <h00k> 2 GiB NICs
[04:04] <tonyyarusso> yeah, lots of non-original goodies in there :P
[04:04] <h00k> nothing wrong with that!
[04:04] <h00k> I have like...$5 to my name until Friday.
[04:04] <h00k> I'll keep that in mind, although I have to be frugal with the wedding coming up
[04:05] <tonyyarusso> The caveat is that the P4 is the reason the power supply needs replacing, and the power supply is a non-standard form factor with limited options available.  So, either you need to a) Run the Celeron.  b) Replace the power supply regularly.  c) Mod it to hold a different power supply somehow.
[04:05] <tonyyarusso> pssssh, the bride's family is supposed to cover the wedding!
[04:06] <h00k> well, they're making a generous contribution, but it probably won't cover everything
[04:06] <tonyyarusso> updated the file to account for the extra couple of months of depreciation.
[04:08] <h00k> tonyyarusso: Would you consider assisting setting up a release party in the Duluth/Superior area?
[04:08] <h00k> tonyyarusso: ripps is the only one I'm aware of up there from MN, however
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> Sure, depending on what assisting entails
[04:09] <h00k> I have no idea.
[04:09] <h00k> I know there is also a user in Ashland that might be interested as well.
[04:09] <h00k> exigraff, Brittany, myself,
[04:10] <h00k> tonyyarusso: I'll look into it and let you know
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> If I do get a new laptop, I think the current top contender is http://www.system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=100
[04:19] <h00k> next time I can afford one, I'm getting a system76
[04:23] <tonyyarusso> They aren't even expensive...until you decide to trick it out because that's what geeks do.
[04:24] <h00k> 'course
[04:25] <tonyyarusso> Looks like a really nice one would be more than $1500, less than $2000.
[04:26] <tonyyarusso> like, zillions times nicer than my current one
[04:26] <tonyyarusso> Core i7 vs. Pentium M?
[04:26] <h00k> i7
[04:26] <h00k> Pentium M?
[04:27] <h00k> M is single core~
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> Yup.
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> I'm saying for comparison, not decision.  The ThinkPad is an M.
[04:30] <h00k> Oh, oh, I understand.
[04:30] <h00k> I was going to say...you're trying to make that decision?
[04:30] <h00k> I was going to make some generalizations about Minnesotans...
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> haha
[04:37] <Takyoji> When will I be able to ever find a modern and usable Linux distro that doesn't have a damn regression with my mother's desktop's graphics chipset?
[04:37] <Takyoji> Whereas it ALWAYS freezes after 20-30 minutes; the only thing movable is the mouse. And you can't switch to a virtual terminal
[04:37] <h00k> Takyoji: Tell Murphy to change that damn law.
[04:38] <Takyoji> 9.04 worked
[04:38] <Takyoji> 9.10 freezes after 20 minutes.
[04:38] <Takyoji> 10.04 freezes even shorter.
[04:39] <Takyoji> and I tried installing Fedora 13, but it freezes after an amount of time as well.
[04:39] <Takyoji> and all I've been given is "you'll have to do regression testing" and a wiki page, and no other assistence.
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> Sounds like about the amount of support you paid for, no?
[04:44] <Takyoji> and I would pay for support, but I get the feeling that I'm just going to get a person reading off a wiki
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> nah, you get MagicFab and mneptok.
[04:46] <h00k> !support | Takyoji
[04:46] <h00k> Bahahahaha
[04:46] <Takyoji> and then I'm going to be told that it's "too broad" of symptoms
[04:48] <Takyoji> and I listed this bug a month ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/604192
[04:48] <Takyoji> one person triaged it, and that's all that's happened to it
[04:49] <Takyoji> Importance not rated (considering it makes the damn system not usable at all) and not assigned to anyone.
[04:51] <h00k> It all depends on how many people mark it as affecting them
[04:52] <Takyoji> and the people it's probably affecting are the ones with old systems that don't have a Launchpad account and don't have a straight path to finding my bug listing
[04:53] <h00k> something, yep.
[04:55] <Takyoji> I'll try to bug someone tomorrow about the details of: regression testing a kernel module, via the upstream X11 git repository, and compiling the kernel each time (on a 2GHz, single-core processor), and testing such every time..
[04:56] <tonyyarusso> What's the deal with these "and I'm a Mormon" ads?  Have they finally decided they should try convincing people they aren't really as crazy as we think?
[04:57] <h00k> ads on TV?
[05:02] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[05:02] <h00k> that's odd.
[05:10] <sparklehistory> on the radio too
[05:53] <Takyoji> Isn't fsck supposed to check for filesystem inconsistencies and fix them if possible?
[05:53] <Takyoji> because I've been running: sudo fsck /dev/sda5
[05:54] <Takyoji> and it doesn't find any issues and never prompts me (except for "oh noes! this filesystem might be corrupt! Do you still want to scan? :o")
[05:55] <Takyoji> and then when I go to resize a partition, it complains about inconsistencies with the partition
[06:12] <Takyoji> Yay, testdisk fixed the issue


[03:31] <alex_mayorga> MikeRL: ping
[15:29] <MikeRL> Anyone here work with the globalmenu extension as a developer?
[15:30] <MikeRL> I know Chris Coulson does but he seems to have been busy lately.
[15:32] <MikeRL> That and it's the weekend. Just wondering if anyone is on IRC that works with the extension. I know chriscoulson and micahg would know.


[07:55] <dholbach> good morning
[07:57]  * genii makes more coffee
[08:01] <BobJonkman> genii: Coffee at three in the morning isn't going to do me any favours
[11:20] <amireldor> Hi. Q: Should I direct my users to irc.ubuntu.com or irc.freenode.net?


[16:34] <BobJonkman> IRC Meeting tonight, Darcy and I will be IRCing In Real Life at the Almadina Egyptian Cuisine restaurant in Waterloo, seque-ing into Ubuntu Hour Waterloo
[16:35] <BobJonkman> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2012-08-15 followed by http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/1860/detail/
[22:47] <BobJonkman> I haz arrived at Almadina's, waiting for the meeting to start...
[23:01] <BobJonkman> We're on!  Just waiting for Darcy's shawarma to arrive...
[23:03] <BobJonkman> Hey everyone, meeting time! khoover ryanakca zul sipherdee dscassel_ jlamothe willwh_ FiReSTaRT bregma KombuchaKip jstacey mars DarwinSurvivor bilal IdleOne egerlach Jaguar azend txwikinger lubotu1 cyphermox
[23:04] <KombuchaKip> Hey folks. My name's Kip. I'm the Avaneya project lead (www.avaneya.com), a cerebral / libre sci-fi game for Ubuntu. I'm based out of White Rock, British Columbia (near Vancouver).
[23:05] <dscassel_> Hi I'm Darcy, II'm in Waterloo and I'm LoCo Contact for Ubuntu Canada.
[23:05] <BobJonkman> I'm Bob Jonkman, Ubuntu enthusiast from Elmira, currently hanging out at Almadina's Egyptian Cuisine restaurant for Ubuntu Hour
[23:07] <dscassel> And oh yeah, I'm with Bob, for our Ubuntu hour. :)
[23:07] <BobJonkman> There's a meeting agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2012-08-15
[23:08] <dscassel> Looks like a slow night. :)
[23:10] <BobJonkman> It's the middle of summer, and a nice night.
[23:10] <BobJonkman> Everybody's camping
[23:10] <BobJonkman> Everybody *else* is camping
[23:12] <FiReSTaRT> hello ladies and gents, just a quick hello from Ilija, casual Ubuntu user on the work desktop, unless you count my main desktop which uses a Ubuntu-based derivative :P
[23:12] <dscassel> Hi Ilija. :)
[23:13] <FiReSTaRT> hey Darcy, what's shakin? :)
[23:13] <dscassel> Anyone else who comes in is welcome to introduce themselves as well.  Should probably get started.
[23:13] <dscassel> FiReSTaRT: Tired. Otherwise good. :)
[23:14] <dscassel> I hear from singpolyma that his Ubuntu install workshop went well.  Not a huge turnout, but things were learned and insights were passed.
[23:14] <BobJonkman> Sadly, I missed it...
[23:14] <FiReSTaRT> any focus on secure boot-enabled devices?
[23:14] <dscassel> Lack of turnout was largely due to lack of advertising, I believe.
[23:15] <dscassel> FiReSTaRT: Are there any yet? This was pretty theoretical, so he might have touched on it.
[23:15] <dscassel> I couldn't be tehre, so I can't say for sure.
[23:15] <FiReSTaRT> i'm not sure either but it's definitely a concern
[23:15] <FiReSTaRT> ubuntu installs are stupid-easy as they are now
[23:16] <FiReSTaRT> but secure boot could complicate things for Joe "My Cupholder's Broken" Schmoe
[23:16] <dscassel> His idea was to step through an install, but also talk about what was happening under the covers.
[23:17] <dscassel> His pitch was "people don't even know that you *can* install an operating system."
[23:18] <dscassel> FiReSTaRT: Yup, we're going to hav eto see how tha tpans out.  You've read the Ubuntu statement abuot what the plans are, I assume?
[23:18] <FiReSTaRT> good pitch considering the category of upcoming new users that will be coming in droves and mostly flocking to the ubuntu brand
[23:18] <FiReSTaRT> darcy: nope but i'll give it a whirl now :)
[23:19] <FiReSTaRT> ahh ok there will be a key.. not too surprising
[23:20] <FiReSTaRT> but no grub2 :(
[23:21] <dscassel> Yeah, I'm fairly confident Mr Cupholder Schmoe will be accommodated, but there are concerns from the Free Software community about how Ubuntu is going to handle it.
[23:21] <BobJonkman> Something better than Grub2, I hope
[23:22] <BobJonkman> And System Administrator Appreciation Day Dinner was a success: http://bob.jonkman.ca/blogs/2012/08/14/sysadminday-dinner-pictures/
[23:25] <dscassel> Yay!
[23:25] <FiReSTaRT> good stuff
[23:25] <BobJonkman> Mostly WIndows admins, but at least one other Linux admin!
[23:28] <FiReSTaRT> cent?
[23:29] <BobJonkman> Maybe. Don't recall.  Tim's a KWLUG member,so I can ask him at the next meeting
[23:29] <FiReSTaRT> sorry gents unexpected visitor gotta split
[23:30] <dscassel> The KW Ubuntu Hours are still going strong, although bot are switching venues.
[23:30] <dscassel> No problem, FiReSTaRT
[23:30]  * dscassel had to switch Internet connections.
[23:32] <dscassel> The Global Jam is coming up Sept. 7-9.
[23:33] <dscassel> I haven't confirmed our plans yet, but I'm guessing Sept. 8 at 4pm in Kwartzlab.
[23:34] <BobJonkman> Yay!  I'll work on LoCo event entries.
[23:35] <dscassel> t may be a somewhat laid back affair, as I have several other things to plan for...
[23:38] <BobJonkman> Software Freedom Day in KW will be on 22 September, run by The Working Centre. It's a week later than the official SFD to avoid conflict with other KW events
[23:39]  * BobJonkman just received official Ubuntu CDs for distribution at SFD
[23:41] <dscassel> Release party is coming up, but we'll talk about that next month....
[23:41] <dscassel> (or  Iwill... i fyou want, you can...)
[23:42] <BobJonkman> Release party in October; FSOSS in October.  They can wait for a month when we may have some more activity in the meeting
[23:43] <dscassel> I have a feeling I won't be going to FSOSS.  They've gone back to a weekday schedule.
[23:46] <BobJonkman> I confess I've been slack on Team Reports and even the last meeting's minutes.
[23:46] <BobJonkman> I see meetingology is in the room; wish I'd learned to use it before the meeting
[23:46] <BobJonkman> Thanx for that by way, IdleOne
[23:47] <dscassel> Just pinged ubuntu-locoteams to see if we need to do reports.
[23:48] <dscassel> Re: website, I haven't heard anything from txwikinger at all.
[23:48] <dscassel> If we have volunteers, of course, he's willing to hand them the keys.
[23:51] <dscassel> In other news, I found out recently that Charles McColm (chaslinux), the guy who runs the Kitchener ubuntu hour, is a regular contributor to Full Circle magazine.
[23:52] <BobJonkman> How enamoured are we of using Drupal on the http://ubuntu-ca.org site?
[23:55] <dscassel> Unless anyone has anything (anyone?) that pretty much does it.
[23:56] <BobJonkman> I think that does it, then...
[23:56] <BobJonkman> Next meeting?
[23:58] <dscassel> Next Ubuntu hour!  19th Sept.


[01:12] <bkerensa> so quiet in here lately
[01:12] <bkerensa> :D
[01:25] <Cheesehead> I've been whispering instead of shouting
[01:39] <bkerensa> :D
[06:56] <YoBoY> bonjour
[10:30] <head_victim> Anyone know any good ways to say "thank you" to some fairly decent effort? I have a team member who has racked up 180000 karma for the thankless task of converting American English to the local variant of English (Australian)?
[10:52] <akgraner> head_victim, you can blog about - then ask people like jono or others to help thank them
[10:52] <akgraner> we also put stuff like that in UWN so send me the link if you decide to blog about it
[10:53] <head_victim> Hmmm, I might make it the first story we put up on the new loco website. I don't have a blog of my own but that should be managable.
[10:54] <head_victim> I did the tweet/dent thing when 2 of the team made the hall of fame
[11:12] <akgraner> :-)
[11:13] <akgraner> or if you want to write it up - I can post it on my blog for you so it will hit the planet
[11:13] <akgraner> and let people know I am posting it for you
[11:14] <akgraner> I've seen people do that in the past as well
[11:14] <head_victim> Actually, you're on the right track, how about I write it up for the new website (it should be live within the week) and get someone like yourself and maybe dpm (or someone else heavily involved in translations) to point it out to the planet.


 Recommend settling on `testFooBar` and only changing existing ones as encountered in normal work. -- jml [<<Date(2008-09-10T13:48:09+1000)>>]
[15:03] <barry>  * Reviewers remove requests from Pending Reviews when you start a review.  If you forget the next on-call reviewer may duplicate your work.  -- bac [<<Date(2008-09-16T10:07:09-0500)>>]
[15:03] <barry>  * If there's time, the old boring script
[15:03] <barry>    * Next meeting
[15:03] <barry>    * Action items
[15:03] <barry>    * Queue status
[15:03] <barry>    * Mentoring update
[15:03] <bac> jtv is having trouble getting into this channel
[15:03] <barry> bac: dang
[15:04] <barry> [TOPIC] naming conventions
[15:04] <barry> i'm just going to paste this one since it was submitted by an asiapacker.  i don't have any background on it since my intarwebs went out monday night
[15:04] <barry>  * Naming conventions for unit test methods. `testFooBar`, `test_fooBar` and `test_foo_bar` all exist. Recommend settling on `testFooBar` and only changing existing ones as encountered in normal work. -- jml [<<Date(2008-09-10T13:48:09+1000)>>]
[15:04] <barry> i think it's fairly self evident
[15:05] <barry> what do y'all think?
[15:05]  * sinzui hugs PEP-8, then kicks it out the door.
[15:05] <kiko_> I don't care myself as long as there's a single standard. :)
[15:06]  * barry would like to see more pep-8 rather than less
[15:06]  * abentley is conflicted, because test_fooBar is irregular, but fooBar would match the method name.
[15:06] <flacoste> in all honestyu
[15:06] <sinzui> testFooBar is consistent with our rules. So I think it is the right decision
[15:06] <flacoste> i find test_ easier to read for tests
[15:06] <intellectronica> i think test_methodName is better
[15:07] <flacoste> especially when you can use test_nameOfMethodIMTesting_and_special_consideration
[15:07] <flacoste> intellectronica: +1
[15:07] <barry> flacoste: very good point
[15:07] <bac> intellectronica: +1
[15:07] <BjornT> +1 to test_fooBar
[15:07] <bigjools> +1
[15:07] <salgado> +1
[15:07] <barry> +1
[15:07] <sinzui> +1
[15:08] <barry> any objections?
[15:08] <flacoste> test_fooBar_plus_special_case
[15:08] <flacoste> ?
[15:08] <flacoste> or test_fooBarPlusSpecialCase
[15:08] <flacoste> ?
[15:08] <flacoste> we often have more than one tests for one method
[15:09] <barry> flacoste: the former (IMO)
[15:09] <intellectronica> test_fooBar_plus_special_case
[15:09] <intellectronica> !
[15:09] <bac> +1 on test_fooBarPlusSpecialCase
[15:09] <barry> intellectronica: +1
[15:09] <salgado> please!
[15:09] <salgado> test_methodName_plus_special_case
[15:10] <flacoste> salgado: +1
[15:10] <barry> bac: why?
[15:10] <bac> it is simpler and looks better to me.
[15:11] <barry> any other comments?
[15:11] <salgado> I vote on the former because it makes the methodName stand out from the rest
[15:11] <flacoste> same rationale over here
[15:11] <salgado> and because we already use underscores for test_
[15:11] <flacoste> and it's more PEP-8 compliant
[15:12] <barry> agreed
[15:12] <bac> PEP-8 supports mixing camelCase and underscores?
[15:12] <barry> bac: not really, but it's the price we pay for being zopey
[15:13] <barry> okay, anyway, let's move on.  i'll forward the results of this discussion to the ml and we can decide from there
[15:13] <barry> [ACTION] barry to forward results of test naming discussion to ml
[15:14] <barry> [TOPIC] reveiwers remove requests
[15:14] <barry>  * Reviewers remove requests from Pending Reviews when you start a review.  If you forget the next on-call reviewer may duplicate your work.  -- bac [<<Date(2008-09-16T10:07:09-0500)>>]
[15:14] <barry> bac: the floor is yours
[15:14] <bac> last week and this week i reviewed a branch from the general queue on PendingReviews only to discover later each had already been reviewed.  yes, had i double-checked with the launchpad-reviews mailing list i could have avoided the duplicated work.  but reviewers need to be diligent about removing branches from the General Queue when they take them.
[15:15] <sinzui> Wow, I did that last week too
[15:15] <barry> bac: yes, especially now that we're back to using PR exclusively for the time being
[15:15] <barry> duplicate work REALLY sucks
[15:16] <intellectronica> bac: my sympathies :(
[15:16] <bac> indeed.  of course, the duplicated review did raise some interesting issues, but it is still annoying.
[15:16] <intellectronica> bac: reviewers should pay attention to this, but ideally i think reviewees should take care of that
[15:16] <barry> bac: silver lining :)
[15:17] <bac> intellectronica: if you're doing an on-call review off the GQ the reviwee may not be around.  the reviewer should move it to his queue.
[15:17] <intellectronica> bac: yes, if the reviewee is absent then definitely
[15:19] <bac> that's all.  just raising awareness that the problem exists.
[15:19] <barry> bac: thanks
[15:20] <barry> that's it for the new items.  since we have time i'd like to go hit the old agenda items, but i'm going to skip ahead
[15:20] <barry> [TOPIC] mentoring update
[15:20] <barry> we need a few mentors, one for rockstar and possibly soon for mars and leonardr
[15:21] <barry> do we have any volunteers?
[15:21] <barry> we currently have one mentat: abentley (who i'm mentoring)
[15:22] <bac> i recall promising to step up for the next round.
[15:22] <bac> i'll volunteer to mentor rockstar
[15:22] <barry> bac: awesome thanks
[15:22] <sinzui> I'm very busy for the next month. after that, I'm happy to take a mentat
[15:22] <barry> sinzui: great.  leonardr and mars have not yet officially asked to be reviewers, so we have time to wait on that
[15:23] <bac> is rockstar starting next cycle?
[15:23] <barry> bac: i'd like him to
[15:23] <bigjools> resistance is futile, they will be assimilated
[15:23] <bac> ok.  i'll contact him after the meeting.
[15:23] <barry> lol
[15:23]  * barry thinks bigjools should change his nick to borgjools
[15:23] <barry> bac: thanks
[15:23] <bigjools> guffaw :)
[15:24] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[15:24] <bac> after i mentor rockstar next cycle i'm going to request a one month sabbatical.
[15:24] <barry> bac: from reviewing or mentoring?
[15:24] <bac> both
[15:24] <barry> bac: cool.  everybody needs sabbaticals now and then
[15:25] <barry>  * barry will move the preimp discussion to the ml
[15:25] <barry> i have a 1/2 composed email on this, so not done
[15:25] <barry> [TOPIC] queue status
[15:25] <barry> any comments?
[15:26] <barry> i notice lots of crossed off branches in pending-reviews.  let's try to clean those up (he says as an offender)
[15:27] <barry> anyway, that's all i have.  does anybody have anything not on the agenda?
[15:29] <barry> well then, we can end early!  thanks everyone and have a good day
[15:29] <barry> #endmeeting
[15:29] <bac> barry: do you want to edit PR to remove the reference to MergeProposals?
[15:30] <barry> bac: will do, thanks for the reminder
[15:30] <bigjools> thanks barry, and BCTL, wow!
[15:31] <barry> bigjools: yeah, wtf am i thinking?!


[00:16] <bluesabre> :D
[00:16] <bluesabre> D:
[00:16] <bluesabre> both
[00:29] <Unit193> bluesabre: So, do we get to keep those packages in 1. Git  2. on the bitbucket group?
[00:33] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'm sure either is fine, in the end we'll still have to push to svn for debian :(
[00:34] <Unit193> Well, if it goes into pkg-xfce, yeah. :/
[06:24] <Unit193> knome: Can you disable DE translations or something? :P
[06:25] <Unit193> bzr diff -r 371..373: http://paste.openstack.org/show/ENrf6eYjlmL9BeaU6mDk
[08:06] <Unit193> bluesabre: You should be able to nuke https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xfce-4.10 12.04 went EOL for Xubuntu.
[08:07] <ochosi> yeah, we should do that plus write a brief blog post about it
[08:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: you're up for that ^ ?
[08:13] <Unit193> Not until July can we remove the utopic ones. :(
[10:15] <lderan> bluesabre: code preferably, but don't mind with docs & testing :)
[10:54] <bluesabre> good morning folks
[10:54] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, will do that once we publish the blog post...
[10:54] <bluesabre> ochosi: elfy has already drafted up a post for it on the website
[10:55] <bluesabre> just haven't published just yet :)
[11:03] <elfy> bluesabre: and it's probably not flowery enough :)
[11:07] <bluesabre> yeah, I'll add a bit to it and mention the deprecation of xubuntu ppas for it as well
[11:10] <elfy> ta
[11:10] <elfy> if you get time - can you pass your eye over the QA one for me too :)
[11:19] <bluesabre> could do to be a bit more flowery, you sound a bit annoyed in the current draft (with good reason, ofc)
[11:21] <elfy> bluesabre: mmm
[11:21] <elfy> not going to be saying everything's rosy when it's rather more briary ...
[11:21] <bluesabre> when do you want to publish? I can do a bit of writing tonight on both posts
[11:21] <bluesabre> and yes, I agree
[11:22] <elfy> the QA one is no rush at all - the end of next week at latest I guess
[11:22] <elfy> the 12.04 one - I'd say asap
[11:22] <bluesabre> we could also make it more sailory... you guys didn't #$$&*%$# do much
[11:23] <elfy> bluesabre: MY draft was very sailory :D
[11:23] <bluesabre> lol
[11:23] <elfy> you're seeing the draft's draft draft draft :D
[11:23]  * bluesabre high fives elfy for the valiant xubuntu draft effort
[11:23] <elfy> \o/
[11:23] <elfy> should that be drafty :p
[11:24] <bluesabre> ~
[11:25] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'll dump the precise ppa packages tonight
[11:26] <bluesabre> elfy: I'll work on the EOL draft tonight (adding sparkles) and get it ready to publish
[11:27] <elfy> bluesabre: okey doke
[11:27] <elfy> it might have better id I drafted them the other way round - but 12.04 came after the other ;)
[11:31] <elfy> have a good one - off out again
[11:31] <bluesabre> yup, me too, seeya
[16:48] <zequence> When exactly are you goin EOL with precise?
[16:49] <elfy> last Sunday
[16:49] <zequence> Ah
[16:49] <zequence> Did you announce it yet?
[16:50] <elfy> not yet :)
[16:51] <zequence> Ok. Well, at least I know it won't be too early for us to announce ours.
[16:51] <elfy> lol
[16:51] <zequence> I'll be ending maintainence for linux-lowlatency at the same time, and will need to announce that too
[22:01] <astraljava> I find your wording on the matter quite disturbing. ;)
[22:14] <elfy> must have missed some wording ...
[22:15] <knome> elfy, maybe the missing stuff was the disturbing part
[22:15] <elfy> phew


[14:25] <Odd_Bloke> AU-S2S: You don't want a "#cloud-config" file, you want a "#include" file: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/format.html#include-file
[14:26] <Odd_Bloke> So "#include\n<url>".
[14:26] <Odd_Bloke> (If you want to specify both includes and cloud-config via user-data, then you'll need to look into creating a MIME archive for your user-data.)
[14:57] <AU-S2S> @Odd_Bloke - Thank you! The documentation wasn't completely clear to me, and there were no expressly stated examples!
[16:51] <Odd_Bloke> AU-S2S: You're welcome; agreed, it could definitely be clearer!