[12:03] <ciga> Snake__: yup
[12:03] <ciga> Snake__: from svn, too
[12:03] <ciga> Snake__: but the error seem to be compiler related
[12:04] <ciga> threadweaver.h:101: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of QMutex with no type
[12:04] <ciga> and others.
[12:04] <Snake__> !Qmutex
[12:04] <ubotu> Snake__: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:04] <Snake__> Hmm
[12:04] <Red_Herring> !dreamweaver
[12:04] <ciga> g++ (GCC) 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9)
[12:04] <Snake__> ciga: can you pastebin the complie dialog?
[12:04] <ciga> Snake__: sure.
[12:05] <Red_Herring> !flashMX
[12:05] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:05] <Snake__> ciga: and make, if possible?
[12:05] <Snake__> ciga: pending where its bitching
[12:07] <ciga> Snake__: http://amarok.pastebin.com/591343
[12:07] <dennis_p> ping Tonio_
[12:07] <norman> evening guys i installed kubuntu and i am very happy with it, but i was wondering if there is a tool for linux where i could search for dvd titles on isbn basis
[12:07] <Red_Herring> hehehe, !english is funny, but totally innapropriate
[12:08] <Tonio_> dennis_p: oui ?
[12:08] <dennis_p> Hi looking the screenshots
[12:08] <dennis_p> purple sidebar kmenu does not fit colorsceme
[12:08] <norman> or doesn anybody know a good online isbn database for dvd's
[12:09] <Snake__> ciga: looking
[12:09] <Tonio_> dennis_p: I'm currently discussing with the graphist who did that, and it is a kind of bug
[12:09] <dennis_p> I see three distinct schemes
[12:09] <Tonio_> the renderring on his mac was completly different
[12:09] <Snake__> ciga: sorry for slow replys. im helping some people shop for a laptop as well (im at work atm >.<)
[12:09] <dennis_p> ah
[12:09] <Tonio_> dennis_p: I'm not a graphist ;)
[12:09] <Red_Herring> how does debian feel about ubuntu?
[12:09] <Tonio_> I just posted to get users opinion
[12:10] <dennis_p> I like light blue highlight color
[12:10] <ciga> Snake__: :)
[12:10] <Snake__> ciga: Hmmm..... I would take that to #amarok and ask them
[12:10] <dennis_p> also like dark blue window outline color
[12:10] <dennis_p> but not both together
[12:10] <Snake__> ciga: you have build-essentails and whatnot right?
[12:10] <dennis_p> make a choice
[12:12] <dennis_p> I think the light blue as used for highlight would be best as you can't change all the icons of KDE to fit with  the dark blue
[12:12] <Snake__> ciga: Hey man, I got a deb if you want to try it out....
[12:12] <dottedline> norman: I guess nobody knows...
[12:12] <Snake__> ciga: it was built the ghetto way, but its worth a shot?
[12:13] <Snake__> (if your on i386)
[12:13] <ciga> Snake__: well, I did not have build-essential, but now I have
[12:13] <dennis_p> love the bootscreen, yeah it has no dithering. One would nver know color palet is limited
[12:13] <norman> dottedline: yes i think you are correct :(
[12:13] <Snake__> ciga: Ohhh okay, try now
[12:13] <ciga> Snake__: but it is still the same.
[12:13] <Snake__> :9
[12:14] <Snake__> ciga: Hmm not really sure :(
[12:14] <ciga> It must be something with the compiler.
[12:14] <ciga> Snake__: yes, I asked the question in #amarok, also
[12:14] <dennis_p> splashscreen status is very peaceful. we want people to feel safe, it does and it looks great
[12:15] <norman> boogerhead: do you know if there is a channel where somebody might know this
[12:15] <ciga> Snake__: so, I guess it is not just taglib. :)
[12:15] <boogerhead> norman: I really don't
[12:16] <Snake__> ciga: Ill guess that too :)
[12:17] <dennis_p> Tonio_ copy text above and give it to the artist, can't let those positive feedback go to waste. people need to be padded on the back for helping :-)
[12:17] <Snake__> ciga: Like I said, I got a deb I could send you, but if you want deb, I got one, but if you want to build it, go for it
[12:17] <Tonio_> dennis_p: I will :)
[12:18] <dennis_p> But I feel kubuntu logo seems a bit unrestfull even though the colors do kind of work
[12:18] <dennis_p> well
[12:19] <ciga> Snake__: thanks for the offer, but I'd compile to from svn.
[12:19] <Snake__> ciga: Alrighty
[12:19] <dennis_p> but the kubuntu logo cogwheels don't seem to look balanced in a design kind of way
[12:20] <dennis_p> it looks a bit of a hack instead of a wel balanced logo
[12:20] <Snake__> ciga: and I Just noticed that sentence made no sense :D
[12:21] <Red_Herring> heh, its a lot like kubuntu itself!
[12:21] <Red_Herring> jkjk
[12:22] <ciga> Snake__: I have a good decode engine ;)
[12:23] <Snake__> Hehe
[12:25] <Chodder> I installed gnome, but when I updated it to 2.14 it got kind of messed up, how can i remove ALL of gnome not just apt-get remove gnome
[12:25] <Chodder> ??
[12:26] <Red_Herring> uhh
[12:26] <Red_Herring> apt-get remove gnome
[12:26] <Red_Herring> that should do it
[12:26] <Chodder> But that only removes the base
[12:26] <dennis_p> Tonio_ I think the cogwheels need to be moved a bit away from the centre and the outside of the circle needs to have the negative of the cog's pattern so that it looks like it could be animated to actually rotate and that rotation gets transferred to the three cogs.
[12:26] <Chodder> I'm looking to remove everything
[12:27] <Chodder> Gnome is only a 45kb package
[12:27] <Red_Herring> heh
[12:27] <Chodder> There is more to it
[12:27] <Red_Herring> apt-get remove gnome-base?
[12:27] <Red_Herring> someting thats ESSENTIAL to everything GNOME
[12:27] <Chodder> nope
[12:27] <Chodder> there isn't actually a package called that
[12:27] <Red_Herring> hrm
[12:27] <Chodder> I want to get rid of everything gnome
[12:27] <Red_Herring> sudo apt-cache search gnome
[12:27] <Chodder> Libs and all
[12:28] <Red_Herring> see if one looks EXTREMELY essential
[12:28] <Red_Herring> then remove it
[12:28] <Red_Herring> it takes everything else iwth it
[12:28] <Snake__> Chodder: I beleive if you install something that has to do with GTK itll go...
[12:28] <Snake__> I know its like that with KDE, if you remove a QT file, KDE goes bye bye
[12:28] <Chodder> ya
[12:28] <Red_Herring> or just remove gnome-lib
[12:28] <Chodder> But i need to keep GTK for obvious reasons
[12:28] <nalioth> remove libgtk and or libgtk2
[12:28] <AnObfuscator> anyone here know what "unable to find HFS+ superblock" means? I'm trying to mount an HFS+ IDE Drive, and it keeps failing
[12:28] <Red_Herring> !hfs
[12:28] <Snake__> And nalioth comes with the answer! :P
[12:28] <ubotu> Red_Herring: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:28] <Red_Herring> !hfs+
[12:28] <ubotu> Red_Herring: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:29] <frank23> Chodder: in the forum somewhere there is a list of all the packages in ubuntu-desktop that are not in kubuntu-desktop
[12:29] <Snake__> Red_Herring: stop fishing
[12:29] <nalioth> AnObfuscator: means you need to run Disk Utility > Repair Disk from OSX
[12:29] <Snake__> (again)
[12:29] <Red_Herring> Snake__: again?
[12:29] <Chodder> Hmm i don't want to go about removing each package one by one
[12:29] <Red_Herring> its either hfs or hfs+
[12:29] <Chodder> And i need GTK+ thats pretty essential
[12:29] <Snake__> Red_Herring: Ive told you not to fish before
[12:29] <Red_Herring> really?
[12:29] <Snake__> Chodder: You can reinstall GTK
[12:29] <Chodder> True
[12:29] <Snake__> Red_Herring: yesterday
[12:29] <nalioth> Red_Herring: please don't !fish !for !factoids
[12:30] <Red_Herring> w/e
[12:30] <Snake__> Not w/e. Try "I wont do it again"
[12:30] <Snake__> :P
[12:30] <AnObfuscator> nalioth: ahhh, hmm, that's odd, the disk was just working fine in OSX... ok, I'll give it a shot
[12:31] <Red_Herring> Snake__: but i cant predict the future :-P
[12:31] <Red_Herring> hey, i could just leave the channel
[12:31] <nalioth> Red_Herring: instead of fishing, go here http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:31] <Red_Herring> in fact, i think i will
[12:31] <nalioth> Snake__: please be civil.
[12:31] <Chodder> Isn't Red Herring a fish?
[12:31] <Chodder> :P
[12:32] <Snake__> Oh my gosh
[12:32] <Snake__> I was kidding with the kid
[12:33] <Snake__> !logs
[12:33] <ubotu> Snake__: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:34] <Snake__> nalioth: Is it just me or is the irc log site dead...
[12:34] <Chodder> Anyone familar with the gnuchess engine?
[12:34] <nalioth> Snake__: don't fish !irclogs
[12:35] <Snake__> nalioth: I did that to get the site tho :P
[12:35] <nalioth> !msg the bot
[12:35] <ubotu> Please message the bot (me) in private, more info about the bot: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[12:35] <Snake__> nalioth: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ seems to be dead...
[12:37] <dean> hello
[12:38] <dean> running flight 4 of dapper and having trouble getting xvid and mp playback working. anyone know how to get these
[12:38] <frank23> libxine-extracodecs or something like that?
[12:38] <nalioth> dean: you haven't updated recently?
[12:38] <dean> mp3 rry
[12:39] <dean> updated about an hour ao
[12:39] <dean> ago
[12:39] <nalioth> dean: then rejoice! you are running flight5+
[12:39] <nalioth> ubotu: tell dean about mp3
[12:39] <nalioth> ubotu: tell dean about w32codecs
[12:40] <ufo> !restricted
[12:40] <ubotu> somebody said restricted was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[12:40] <dean> thanks
[12:41] <frank23> I wonder if the plain text root password bug will damage ubuntu's reputation much.
[12:42] <frank23> slashdot was pretty lively
[12:42] <nalioth> frank23: it's already fixed. it was fixed within hours
[12:42] <dean> have not used linux since the version before breezy was released and i have to say im impressed by howmuch better it seems
[12:42] <SlicerDicer-> how do you uprade from breezy to dapper
[12:42] <nalioth> !upgrade
[12:42] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade.  Upgrading to dapper (remember it may break). Please test the dist-upgrader -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html.
[12:43] <Tm_T> ok kids, I'm off to bed, be nice and remember to respect each other ;) ->
[12:43] <Snake__> Night Tm_T
[12:44] <frank23> nalioth: I know but it was a pretty bad distribution-specific bug
[12:45] <Snake__> frank23: I'm playing off on how quickly it was fixed, which is what everyone should be doing.
[12:45] <Snake__> THere was a problem, we got it solved in hours.
[12:46] <nalioth> frank23: all distros have these little things, they are usually less trouble than they are made out to be
[12:46] <dean> anyway thanks for the help. sure i will be back for more
[12:46] <dean> good night all
[12:52] <heinkel_111> hello...
[12:52] <Snake__> Hi........
[12:52] <heinkel_111> what options do i need to set in /etc/fstab so that the vfat fielsystem gets the user as owner?
[12:53] <heinkel_111> ./dev/hda6       /windows           vfat      iocharset=utf8,umask=000                 0       0
[12:53] <heinkel_111> this line gives me root as owner
[12:54] <heinkel_111> when i log in with mysuer@mycomp, i want myuser to be the owner of the fielsystem..is that possible?
[12:55] <frank23> heinkel_111: it's possible but I don't know how just like that
[12:56] <chulin> no?
[12:56] <chulin> mmm
[12:56] <nalioth> heinkel_111: put rw,iocharset=utf8,umask=000
[12:56] <_chulin_> but...???
[12:57] <_chulin_> bye!!!!!!!!!
[12:58] <heinkel_111> nalioth: isn't rw in the default anyway?
[12:58] <heinkel_111> the rest is already there?
[12:59] <nalioth> heinkel_111: if it's not there, why not put it and make sure?
[12:59] <agalavis> i think i set uid=gid=1001 (my uid)
[12:59] <agalavis> i lied, i used my user name instead of my number
[12:59] <frank23> heinkel_111: maybe you can change the umask to give rw access to everyone
[12:59] <heinkel_111> but i will try...i have tried alot of things that does not works so one more :D
[01:03] <agalavis> heinkel try uid=gid=1000 or 1001
[01:04] <agalavis> i think that if you are the only user then you must be 1000
[01:12] <heinkel_111> hmm yes i don't understand anything of that uid gid numbers and umasks fmasks etc
[01:12] <heinkel_111> i think i need to find a good guide
[01:12] <heinkel_111> but ... tomorrow
[01:19] <blrich> can someone help? kde is refusing to load because it says it can't find the .dcopserver_myhost file and so on. This is after a bad reboot, so I deleted all the related tmep files, .ICEauthorty, everything /tmp/ etc, but it still won't work. what do I do? my system is unusable at the moment
[01:26] <nalioth> blrich: do you have a /tmp/kde-yourname ?
[01:27] <blrich> nalioth: del'd that, and the socket/tmp stuff in .kde, still no dice
[01:27] <nalioth> blrich: where are you asking question?
[01:28] <nalioth> blrich: cant lookup by hostname is a malformed hosts file
[01:29] <blrich> nalioth: where is this file, how do i edit it?
[01:30] <nalioth> woops
[01:31] <SlicerDicer> can somebody look at their xorg.conf file for dapper drake and tell me what it says for where rgb is /usr/lib/X11/rgb or something like that please
[01:33] <agalavis> blrich: do locate .DCO|grep server
[01:33] <SlicerDicer> nobody able to look at that for me?
[01:34] <nalioth> SlicerDicer: join #ubuntu+1 to discuss dapper things
[01:34] <SlicerDicer> errrm ok
[01:35] <agalavis> slicer anyway its a long file
[01:35] <SlicerDicer> what xorg.conf?
[01:35] <agalavis> nope, the rgb.txt
[01:36] <SlicerDicer> thats not what I asked
[01:36] <agalavis> :P true
[01:36] <scotty_b> I got a problem...anyone have a second?
[01:37] <_antonio> buenas noches amigos
[01:37] <scotty_b> Ok, I started downloading kubuntu live CD last night, and it got completed, it says 100 percent...but there is still a little space left in the status bar ...and it won't finish up
[01:37] <scotty_b> what do I do?
[01:37] <_antonio> hi friends
[01:37] <_antonio> i have kubuntu on my dell inspiron 630m
[01:37] <_antonio> but when i try to ping localhost i can not get answer
[01:38] <_antonio> could anoyone help me?
[01:38] <scotty_b> or me :(\
[01:38] <scotty_b> :(  *
[01:38] <agalavis> slicer i can't find any line with "rgb" in my xorg.conf
[01:39] <_antonio> when i start the computer the ping works but after some time i can not get ping
[01:40] <agalavis> for me it's good night... hasta maana
[01:40] <scotty_b> Ok, I started downloading kubuntu live CD last night, and it got completed, it says 100 percent...but there is still a little space left in the status bar...I've left it for like 3 hours ...and it won't finish up...I can't burn the iso to a CD without it finishing, so what can I do?
[01:40] <agalavis> try a new download?
[01:41] <scotty_b> but that will take FOREVER again :(
[01:41] <agalavis> i do that all the time
[01:41] <scotty_b> is there any other thing I can do?
[01:41] <scotty_b> 642 MB (or w/e) take me a LONG time
[01:41] <agalavis> try to get a download manager  that allows you to pause the download and resume it again
[01:41] <scotty_b> I tried that
[01:42] <scotty_b> I'm using firefox download manager
[01:42] <Riddell> amarok beta 2 testing needed   deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14beta2/ dapper main
[01:43] <scotty_b> :( *sigh* ...I don't know why it did this? I got the official download from kubuntu's site...I'm afraid if I try that download again, it will do the same thing
[01:43] <scotty_b> and thats a lot of time wasted
[01:46] <patrix> scotty_b: try mounting it first to see if the download did complete nad it's not just your browser/download program that's going crazy
[01:46] <scotty_b> how do you "mount" it?
[01:47] <scotty_b> sorry, patrix..not quite sure what that means
[01:49] <scotty_b> You there, patrix? :(
[01:49] <patrix> scotty_b: are you under windows or linux right now?
[01:49] <scotty_b> windows
[01:49] <patrix> ok
[01:50] <scotty_b> I want to test Kubuntu before I fully switch
[01:50] <patrix> yeah
[01:50] <nalioth> scotty_b: how are you downloading it?
[01:50] <patrix> I don't know how they call it in windows, but it's possible to do it in windows
[01:50] <patrix> a virtual CD ROM drive perhaps
[01:50] <patrix> something of the sort
[01:50] <patrix> have you ever used daemontools or something liek that?
[01:50] <scotty_b> no, sorry
[01:51] <patrix> you can give it an iso file and it will mount it as a cd-rom, so your system will think there's an extra cdrom drive in there
[01:51] <patrix> or
[01:51] <scotty_b> oh...
[01:51] <patrix> you can check the md5sums
[01:51] <patrix> tha's an even faste way
[01:51] <patrix> faster
[01:51] <scotty_b> what is md5sums?
[01:52] <nalioth> ubotu: tell scotty_b about verify
[01:52] <patrix> oooh the bot will naswer!
[01:52] <patrix> !verify
[01:52] <ubotu> methinks verify is to check the integrity of your installation media, one way is to visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VerifyIsoHowto
[01:52] <patrix> of course that page is all under linux, not windows
[01:52] <patrix> heh
[01:53] <patrix> but I'm sure a bit of googling will yield some similar tools for windows
[01:53] <nalioth> !msg the bot
[01:53] <ubotu> Please message the bot (me) in private, more info about the bot: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[01:53] <agalavis> scotty which program do you use for burning the image? at least in nero i have a tool called imagedrive ir something like that
[01:53] <scotty_b> nero
[01:53] <agalavis> check if your burning suit has such tool
[01:54] <scotty_b> what would it be called?
[01:54] <agalavis> i think it was something like image drive
[01:55] <agalavis> but i'm not totally sure
[01:55] <scotty_b> I have "test drive"  "burn image to disk" and "disk info" but thats about it
[01:55] <agalavis> yes it's calles ImageDrive
[01:56] <scotty_b> uhh, what nero do you have?
[01:56] <agalavis> 6 i think, but the full edition
[01:56] <agalavis> check this
[01:56] <agalavis> http://ww2.nero.com/nero6/enu/FAQs_Products_NeroBurningROM_ImageDrive-Image-Files_.html
[01:58] <scotty_b> no, I don't have it, sorry
[01:58] <scotty_b> so where is this md5sums download at? I can't seem to find it
[01:58] <agalavis> the try this
[01:59] <agalavis> http://ww2.nero.com/nero6/enu/Nero_MD5_Verifier.html
[02:00] <blrich> can anyone help? having trouble starting kde because of ICE/DCOP not working. there's something wrong with my host. I can't even sudo on the command line, because it says 'cannot lookup <myhostname> - loclahost via gethostbyname()'
[02:00] <agalavis> but i don't know where is the md5 checksum of that cd... try in the download page
[02:01] <seren> any idea when flight-5 iso will be out?
[02:01] <agalavis> ok, now i'm gone... good luck with your .iso scotty
[02:02] <scotty_b> hang on
[02:03] <scotty_b> I can't find a download link
[02:03] <seren> so thats a no
[02:03] <scotty_b> for md5sums
[02:03] <agalavis> yes?
[02:03] <scotty_b> it says in our FTP-server
[02:03] <scotty_b> where is that?
[02:03] <agalavis> that i don't know :(
[02:03] <scotty_b> what does that tool actually do?
[02:04] <agalavis> did you search in the mirror?
[02:04] <scotty_b> I can't even find that
[02:04] <agalavis> which version did you download?
[02:05] <scotty_b> of kubuntu?
[02:05] <agalavis> yes
[02:05] <scotty_b> 5.10 I think
[02:05] <scotty_b> the download file is "kubuntu-5.10-live-i386.iso"
[02:07] <scotty_b> from http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/breezy/kubuntu-5.10-live-i386.iso
[02:08] <agalavis> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/breezy/
[02:08] <agalavis> look  at the end of the page
[02:09] <agalavis> theree is the list of files you can download
[02:09] <agalavis> and ther is the MD5SUMS
[02:09] <agalavis> 83ab6f648ce431d26c08321d1f95457a
[02:10] <agalavis> ther you go
[02:10] <scotty_b> what do I do with that number?
[02:10] <scotty_b> all it does is take me to a page with text and numbers
[02:10] <agalavis> man i must be hungry! i'm eating letters :P
[02:11] <scotty_b> huh?
[02:11] <agalavis> yes, now read the page from where you downloaded the too for checking the md5 sums
[02:11] <agalavis> there is a good explanation of what to do
[02:12] <scotty_b> downloaded the "too"?
[02:12] <agalavis> basically you just have to copy the number of your file and it will compare the numbers
[02:12] <agalavis> *tool
[02:12] <scotty_b> sorry for being stupid
[02:13] <agalavis> nop, you are just new
[02:13] <agalavis> in time you will leaarn
[02:13] <scotty_b> ok
[02:13] <agalavis> but then you have to share that :P
[02:13] <scotty_b> now
[02:14] <scotty_b> alright....all I have to do is what, now?
[02:14] <scotty_b> I'm sorry, its just not making sense to me
[02:14] <agalavis> (not that i know too much)
[02:14] <scotty_b> I copy that number
[02:14] <scotty_b> and what do I do with it?
[02:15] <agalavis> sis you downloadad the nero too i told you?
[02:15] <agalavis> *did
[02:15] <scotty_b> the nero tool? I couldn't find the download
[02:16] <scotty_b> it just said check our ftp servers for the download
[02:16] <scotty_b> or something like that
[02:16] <scotty_b> "Please download the NeroMD5Verifier.zip from our FTP-server"
[02:16] <scotty_b> where is their FTP server at?
[02:16] <agalavis> http://ww2.nero.com/nero6/enu/Nero_MD5_Verifier.html there is a red button
[02:17] <scotty_b> oh...I can't afford that
[02:17] <scotty_b> wait
[02:17] <scotty_b> nvm
[02:17] <scotty_b> wrong thingy
[02:17] <agalavis> read that page and it will come clear
[02:17] <agalavis> no prob
[02:18] <agalavis> anyway i have to go to sleep... 2 am here :P
[02:22] <lextul> hmm one question .. why is kxdocker sooo slow ? nvidia is installed, renderaccel is on .. what can i do ?
[02:24] <scotty_b> sigh...gotta completely do the whole download over
[02:26] <thompa> im running dapper flight 5 updated, internet pages download very slow, im wondering if its a bug or this is normal?
[02:30] <nalioth> thompa: is it affecting other boxes on your network?
[02:30] <thompa> no
[02:30] <thompa> i have 4 computers on the network
[02:30] <thompa> they are all running different things
[02:31] <nalioth> i'm using dapper flight5+ and i havent seen anything like that. perhaps ask in #ubuntu+1
[02:31] <thompa> ive tried wireless and wired
[02:31] <thompa> hmm ok, i was not sure if it might be a bug,
[02:32] <thompa> i ran a live cd (not ubuntu) and pages rendered in about 5 secs, here its 30-40 secs
[02:32] <thompa> ive checked dns etc,
[02:33] <thompa> the wireless works very well though, so its a trade off, because in other distros its hit or miss
[02:33] <thompa> nalioth: thanks
[02:33] <nalioth> thompa: dapper is still a work in progress
[02:34] <judgen> My sound died and now i cant get it to work again =(
[02:34] <thompa> i know, but my ipw2200 just wont work in much anyhting else other than suse 10.1
[02:34] <zyth> is there some way to get kbuntu to NOT install koffice and just install OOO.org?
[02:34] <thompa> its an acpi issue with this laptop maybe
[02:36] <judgen> you could always install it and then remove koffice with the apt-get remove with the -f option enabled
[02:36] <zyth> whoa.
[02:36] <zyth> Why didnt I think of that.
[02:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> zyth: mine kame installed with OOo, but not KOffice
[02:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh my......
[02:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> came*
[02:37] <zyth> been using KDE a bit much? ;)
[02:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> definately ;)
[02:37] <zyth> I have to use kubuntu
[02:38] <Kingpomba> Have... why?
[02:38] <zyth> regular ubuntu puts a nice 1" blank white bar accross the rigth hand side of my screen
[02:38] <zyth> the mouse can go over it, but no windows will go there
[02:38] <zyth> very very weird.
[02:38] <Kingpomba> :/
[02:38] <zyth> and I've reconfigured xorg seventeen ways from sunday too
[02:39] <zyth> even looked up the exact specs for h and v sync for my monitor, etc etc :)
[02:40] <Kingpomba> .... kde is just as good as gnome
[02:40] <zyth> world of warcraft and wine work the same in either ;)
[02:41] <Kingpomba> .. i hav'ent used my linux yet... my usb keyboad won't work in some parts of bios so i can't install
[02:41] <Kingpomba> zyth latest version?
[02:41] <zyth> of wine? yeah
[02:42] <Kingpomba> of wow
[02:42] <zyth> oh yes
[02:42] <zyth> that too
[02:42] <zyth> 1.9.52 or someodd.
[02:44] <zyth> 1.9.4 (5086) Release
[02:44] <zyth> that's the current ver.
[02:56] <lampshade> Anyone use the kweather applet?
[02:58] <zyth> they never have my city :P
[02:58] <lampshade> haha yeah that's actually kinda my problem.  My city seems to flake out a lot and I was wondering what other people used, etc
[02:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> I have a weather.com panel for Opera. ;)
[03:04] <Kingpomba> i use forecastfox
[03:04] <Kingpomba> for firefox
[03:04] <Kingpomba> does a pretty decent job
[03:04] <Kingpomba> melbourne, australia
[03:12] <coyle> Hi Gang, I'm looking for opinions. I have an Alum Powerbook, 17" 1.33 Mhz.  A couple days ago I downloaded and installed a nightly Flight 5. Today, my 5.10 DVD arrived from France.
[03:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> ok
[03:13] <coyle> Which do you think will have better sound and wireless B support for the Powerbook?
[03:15] <coyle> I saw wireless B cause I have a PCMCIA Lucent card.
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> coyle: not a clue
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> if you don't have problems now, stick with what you have.
[03:19] <coyle> It's Linux on a Mac. Of course I have problems! :-)
[03:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> haha, O
[03:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK*
[03:20] <coyle> Sound comes and goes and wireless networking is giving me problems.
[03:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> oooooh, fun
[03:21] <coyle> Yeah, well MacOS X was getting boring and I needed to keep my brain working. And Linux is GREAT for that.
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe, I know it :P
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> it teaches you to use Google, if nothing else. ;)
[03:22] <coyle> My only thought with downgrading to 5.10 is that while I'll be limited to my wireless B card, at least I'll have more consistant behavior.
[03:23] <coyle> google, forums, AND it's the only time I fireup chat.
[03:24] <coyle> I haven't used Linux since YDL 4 and I really like Kubuntu. I got a new 160G drive, so I set aside 10G to get back into Linux.
[03:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> 'Tis my first  venture into Linux
[03:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[03:26] <sxman> hello
[03:26] <sxman> i'm totally new to linux
[03:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> oK
[03:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK*
[03:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> PRoblems?
[03:27] <sxman> just got kubuntu
[03:27] <sxman> installed
[03:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> Good job :)
[03:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> ;)
[03:27] <sxman> how do i install like say a pcmcia wireless card?
[03:27] <sxman> i have the drivers for it
[03:28] <sxman> for redhat i think
[03:28] <sxman> i should work right?
[03:28] <sxman> how do i set kubuntu to find the new device?
[03:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> hm
[03:29] <sxman> are you new too?
[03:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> yes. :P
[03:29] <sxman> hahaha...
[03:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Tried ndiswrapper?
[03:29] <sxman> what is that?
[03:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Wait
[03:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> What card do you have?
[03:30] <sxman> ashton digital
[03:30] <sxman> a no namer
[03:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK
[03:30] <sxman> WRCB-1011r ring a bell?
[03:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> No
[03:31] <sxman> what's this ndiswrapper?
[03:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> It lets you use windows drivers for wireless cards in Linux
[03:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> but if you have drivers, you shouldn't need it.
[03:31] <coyle> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[03:31] <sxman> ok, but how do i find the device?
[03:32] <coyle> rebooting. ttyl.
[03:32] <sxman> how do i install the drivers?
[03:32] <sxman> i did that already.
[03:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> ummm
[03:33] <crxyem> so anyone familiar with acpi support for laptops and samba ??
[03:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> Kinda vaguely. :P
[03:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> In such that I have a laptop, and use samba. ;)
[03:34] <crxyem> lol.
[03:34] <benjamindaines> Hello, I'm having some trouble getting my Mac to connect to an SMB share on my ubuntu box.  I type in the IP address and it brings up the window to type in the Workgroup, Name, and PassWord (I enter in my username and password and click OK) then I gives me an error saying that the user name or password is incorrect.  I have tried many times so I know it's not me typeing badly.  Any ideas?  --Much Thanks
[03:34] <crxyem> well does this happen to you?
[03:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> Does what happen?
[03:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> benjamindaines' problem?
[03:34] <tarmath> benjamindaines, have you configured any samba users?
[03:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> crxyem: my samba is working fine.
[03:35] <benjamindaines> Yes.  Give me a min and I'll type up all the steps I went through
[03:35] <crxyem> yeah my samba works too, but here's the issue
[03:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> sxman: To be honest, I haven't a clue how to do that.
[03:35] <crxyem> I have my samba shares mounted in my fstab, if I enable acpi events for when the lid is closed to standby, when It comes out of standby I loose my shares
[03:36] <tarmath> benjamindaines: before trying to connect from the mac, have you tried to connect from somewhere else? or is it just on the mac that you cannot connect?
[03:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> I don't have my samba shares mounted in my fstab, and I don't have it set for standby on lid-close. ;)
[03:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hrmm
[03:37] <crxyem> what acpi setting are you using for the lid closed ??
[03:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> "off"
[03:37] <crxyem> ah
[03:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> as in, nothing happens. :P
[03:37] <crxyem> yeah currently that's how I have mine. because I loose the shares otherwise
[03:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:37] <crxyem> how are you mounting your shares??
[03:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> I just type in smb://<host>/<share> :P
[03:38] <crxyem> ah I see. I have mine mount during boot
[03:38] <benjamindaines> First I right click the folder and select share folder, then the window comes up and I select SMB, in the name feild I type "Linux", I leave the comment feild blank and leave the read only box and the allow browsing folder unchecked, then I click "Generate windows sharing settings", for host / description I leave what comes up and type Linx into the Doman / Workgroup blank, I leave it as do not use WINS server and c
[03:38] <benjamindaines> lick out on both windows
[03:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah, the lazy way. ;)
[03:39] <sxman> can anybody help with installing a wireless card on kubuntu?
[03:39] <crxyem> sxman , what kinda help ??
[03:39] <sxman> how do i find the device?
[03:39] <crxyem> well, do you know what kind of card it is ??
[03:39] <sxman> it's a pcmcia
[03:39] <crxyem> ok what brand
[03:39] <sxman> Ashton digital
[03:39] <benjamindaines> My ubunutu box is the only computer I have that isnt a mac and it is eithernet wired into the back of my iMac so I can't test with another computer.  I'm pretty sure it has something to dow with my SMB settings on the Linux box but I just have no idea what I would have done wrong
[03:39] <sxman> WRCB-1011r
[03:40] <crxyem> did it come with linux drivers ?
[03:40] <sxman> yes
[03:40] <crxyem> a cd I pressume
[03:40] <sxman> it's on the cd
[03:41] <crxyem> I'm not familiar myself with how to install a device driver for linux, is there a README file on the disk??
[03:41] <sxman> i dont know any unix commands
[03:41] <ArthurB> crxyem: first make sure you don't already have it
[03:42] <crxyem> AuthurB ?? already have what ??
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> Open Konsole, and type in "iwconfig"
[03:43] <sxman> where is konsole?
[03:43] <benjamindaines> Anyone have any ideas with my SMB issues?
[03:43] <crxyem> K menu, system setting, terminal program
[03:43] <sxman> ok, it says no wireless extensions
[03:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> Exatly. ;)
[03:44] <sxman> is there a way to start kubuntu in discovery mode?
[03:44] <sxman> to have it find new hardware?
[03:45] <trym> Ive tried adding an extra repository to be able to install kde 3.5.x - however I cant seem to get it to install. installing kdebase will break something
[03:46] <sxman> any ideas?
[03:47] <crxyem> yes I had an issue with kde 3.5.x upgrade, It broke my link to storage media://
[03:47] <crxyem> worked out a fix googling for it
[03:48] <trym> crxyem: but Im not sure what to do after adding the repository
[03:48] <trym> what package should I install ?
[03:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> IIRC
[03:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[03:48] <crxyem> ah, fetch updates in package manager, or Cheese's way
[03:49] <trym> CheeseBurgerMan: didnt work
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> crxyem: hehe, yeah. I like to use the terminal - more educational. ;)
[03:49] <crxyem> I use both
[03:49] <trym> it just lists packages that have been kept back
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> Me too.
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> I use Adept when I want to browse my packages ;)
[03:50] <trym> http://pastebin.ca/45560
[03:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> That's not updating to KDE 3.5.1 ;)
[03:51] <trym> i know it is not
[03:51] <trym> but I have added the repository
[03:52] <trym> and kdevelop3 should be in the repostiroy, forcing me to upgrade my packages
[03:52] <trym> dist-upgrade does nothing
[03:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> heh
[03:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> Grr
[03:52] <crxyem>  did you do sudo apt-get update
[03:52] <trym> crxyem: of course
[03:53] <crxyem> ok, just making sure
[03:53] <ArthurB> hey, my kopete is switching between IRC tabs, whenever a new message pops up in a channel, this isvery annoying, can't think it's a feature, 3.5.1-0ubuntu2... anyone habing the same behavior ?
[03:53] <crxyem> so CheeseBurgerMan, you familiar with repartitioning ??
[03:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> crxyem: Only with QTParted. :P
[03:55] <crxyem> well, that's what I'm going to use, but first I need to use my windows xp (oh I dual boot) to reduce my XP part. to add more space to Kubuntu
[03:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, that's what I do.
[03:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[03:55] <crxyem> will I need to update grub when I'm done ??
[03:55] <ArthurB> ur, anyone using kopete for IRC here ?
[03:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> ArthurB: I'm not
[03:56] <ArthurB> thanks for the info Chodder
[03:56] <ArthurB> CheeseBurgerMan:
[03:56] <crxyem> Konversation for me..
[03:56] <ArthurB> /version *
[03:56] <ArthurB> doesn't work :-/
[03:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> crxyem: Not sure, seeing how I've only partitioned and THEN installed, not the other way around. :\
[03:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> I think he was using version 0.10.4
[03:57] <ArthurB> let's see if it persists
[03:57] <crxyem> well, I've partitioned ,and now need to repartition, I need more room for Kubuntu, and just going to leave some small space for winxp till I'm completeley migrated
[03:58] <ArthurB> shit it does
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> crxyem: I'm not really sure what will happen when you do that :P
[04:00] <crxyem> me either that's why I'm asking before hand
[04:00] <crxyem> hello me2win
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> crxyem: I've got a Linux guru friend - I'll see if he's online and ask him :)
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah well, he's not
[04:02] <crxyem> thanks anyway
[04:02] <crxyem> does he irc??
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> yeah
[04:02] <crxyem> on this server or some other linux distro
[04:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> He's a Gentoo-AMD64 user
[04:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> I actually chat with 3 people who have Gentoo :P
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> 1 i386, 1 amd64, and 1 ppc
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[04:04] <crxyem> I've thought of trying gentoo, but it just seems to demanding for me right now
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> I tried it
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> I booted off the Cd, and got a bunch of colored squares. ;)
[04:05] <crxyem> lol, I booted a SkyOS livecd once , looked cool, but I don't want to pay for something I might not use
[04:05] <crxyem> hey can QTparted resize ntfs ??
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> yes
[04:07] <crxyem> sweet maybe I'll use a live cd
[04:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> 'Tis what I did - used a Knoppix live CD :D
[04:08] <me2win> crxyem, hey
[04:08] <crxyem> what's goin on
[04:10] <crxyem> me2win : are you familiar with acpi settings causing issues with samba shares ?
[04:10] <me2win> crxyem, unfortunately, no
[04:10] <crxyem> a well figured I'd ask
[04:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> crxyem: what did you want to know about partitioning again?
[04:13] <crxyem> if I'll need to edit grub after I resize ntfs smaller, and then add space to / and /home
[04:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> crxyem: According to the linux guru person, no
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> "as long as you didn't change the order the partitions are in, you won't need to change anything"
[04:18] <crxyem> oops, clicked the wrong x
[04:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe
[04:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Done that waaaaay to many times myself. ;)
[04:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Did you see the answer?
[04:19] <crxyem> nope
[04:19] <crxyem> missed it
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> "as long as you didn't change the order the partitions are in, you won't need to change anything"
[04:19] <crxyem> sweet, that's what I was thinking myself
[04:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[04:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> I had no idea, so I wasn't thinking much. ;)
[04:20] <crxyem> thanks for the help
[04:20] <crxyem> well, it does make sense if you think about it
[04:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, every question makes sense once you have the answer. ;)
[04:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> NP, even though it wasn't my answer. :P
[04:23] <crxyem> don't you just love that you really don't have to worry about viruses vs using windows systems
[04:23] <Snake__> crxyem: Im more for spyware over viruses
[04:23] <crxyem> true
[04:23] <Snake__> :)
[04:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> The problem with that is, users get even MORE lazy, and becomre more vulnerable to phishing attacks. ;)
[04:24] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: No thats not a problem
[04:24] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: We shouldnt have to worry about that crap, let the devs worry about that
[04:24] <crxyem> thunderbird helps me with that
[04:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> We have to worry about phishing - the devs can't stop it.
[04:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> the viri and spyware the devs get to worry about. ;)
[04:24] <Snake__> I shouldn't have to surf with 90000 programs running in the background scanning for that one website I hite
[04:25] <Snake__> hit*
[04:25] <Snake__> Oh
[04:25] <Snake__> Phishing, yes, there is no patch for human stupidity
[04:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> Too bad :P
[04:25] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: I saved my dad from one of them paypal scams a few days ago
[04:26] <Snake__> Worst phishin I ever seen it was so obvious you wern't at paypal.com
[04:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> Good man :P
[04:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:26] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: seriously, it was like....http://69.36.794.609/scam/abuse.html
[04:26] <Snake__> Or something like that
[04:27] <Snake__> (It literally was in a "scam" Dir
[04:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> rofl
[04:27] <Snake__> The site looked good, but im like... are you serious?
[04:27] <Snake__> lol
[04:27] <crxyem> believe it or not I got nabbed on a ebay one, it was very clever, get an email saying "hey your <insert product> invoise is ready, log into your account to view it
[04:28] <crxyem> so I log into ebay, I even typed the url myself
[04:28] <Snake__> how did it get you?
[04:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> Change your hosts file?
[04:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> Although that should need root permissions to change IIRC
[04:28] <crxyem> well, I then search for the user
[04:28] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: Windowssss
[04:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh
[04:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[04:29] <crxyem> and clicked on a product link for and auction and bame a few hours later my account was foobar
[04:29] <Snake__> owch
[04:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> :\
[04:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> That sucks.
[04:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> I've never been phished...yet
[04:30] <crxyem> still have no clue how this one worked as I didn't type in anypassword etc...   Upgrading to dapper (remember it may break). Please test the dist-upgrader -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html.
[04:42] <me2win> !bootableflag
[04:42] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[04:42] <me2win> !flag
[04:42] <ubotu> me2win: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:42] <me2win> !bootable
[04:42] <ubotu> me2win: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:42] <Kingpomba> !grub
[04:42] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[04:44] <crxyem> Kingpomba, didn't think of looking there, thanks
[04:50] <Kingpomba> np
[04:51] <Kr4t05> !dvd
[04:51] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[04:54] <Blippe> have people wondered about security after that password thingie two days ago?
[04:54] <Kr4t05> Anyone manage to get DVDs to work in Kaffeine?
[04:58] <robotgeek> Kr4t05: i think i used vlc or something last time, i don't remember
[04:58] <crxyem> I believe my mplayer works with dvd's
[04:58] <aseigo> Kr4t05: yep =)
[04:58] <SlicerDicer> can anybody help me with sudo... I keep getting 'sudo: unable to lookup hostname via gethostbyname ()'
[04:58] <aseigo> Kr4t05: you need to install the dvd packages however of course
[04:59] <robotgeek> SlicerDicer: you changed the hostname manually, din't you?
[04:59] <SlicerDicer> robotgeek: no the file became corrupt
[04:59] <robotgeek> aseigo: there are specific kaffeine dvd packages?
[04:59] <SlicerDicer> robotgeek: so I had to manually add it back
[04:59] <aseigo> Kr4t05: check out http://olwin.free.fr/ .. it has a program called "easy-kubuntu" that makes setting pu all that stuff a snap ime
[05:00] <SlicerDicer> robotgeek: how do i fix it?
[05:00] <aseigo> robotgeek: yes.. xine requires the dvdread package and various codecs
[05:01] <robotgeek> aseigo: hmm, okay. will fix this then
[05:02] <aseigo> it's all non-Free(-as-in-Freedom) stuff, but that's the state of affairs these days...
[05:02] <robotgeek> aseigo: basically, i'm worried that instructions here: http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide-web/C/ch03s02.html are wrong
[05:03] <Chodder> Can someone help me out with my graphics driver? It should be easy but it's proving to be a pain in the arse on this laptop
[05:03] <aseigo> robotgeek: they look right
[05:03] <patrix> robotgeek: it worked for me...
[05:04] <Chodder> fglrx isn't working correctly on with this ati card
[05:04] <Chodder> :/
[05:05] <Chodder> Anyone good at troublr shooting these stupid ati drivers?
[05:07] <nalioth> !ati
[05:07] <ubotu> rumour has it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[05:18] <Kingpomba> !nvidia
[05:18] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[05:21] <jbeagley> Can anyone help me change the permissions on my USB flash drive?
[05:22] <robotgeek> jbeagley: sure
[05:22] <robotgeek> jbeagley: it should be automagically mounted at /media/<name>
[05:23] <jbeagley> Yes, it mounts fine, but I can't change the permissions so non-root accounts can modify files on the drive.
[05:25] <robotgeek> jbeagley: sudo chown -R your_name /media/<name>
[05:26] <jbeagley> It says "Operation not permitted" for every file. :(
[05:26] <robotgeek> jbeagley: is it ntfs?
[05:26] <jbeagley> no, vfat
[05:27] <robotgeek> jbeagley: hmm, but we sudo'ed. weird
[05:27] <Xyvoth[a] > hello
[05:28] <Xyvoth[a] > can some1 please help?
[05:28] <Xyvoth[a] > or point me to support channel?
[05:28] <robotgeek> Xyvoth[a] : this is a support channel, ask away
[05:29] <Xyvoth[a] > thx :)
[05:29] <Xyvoth[a] > i'm a linux newb, was trying kubuntu on my home pc, an AMD64
[05:29] <Xyvoth[a] > first stage of installation was ok, asked for a reboot and did that
[05:29] <Xyvoth[a] > then started 2nd stage,
[05:30] <robotgeek> Xyvoth[a] : okay, go on
[05:30] <Xyvoth[a] > asked for available display resolutions, i checked a few additional to the default ones
[05:30] <Xyvoth[a] > after that,
[05:30] <Xyvoth[a] > the screen went berserk
[05:31] <Xyvoth[a] > are you old enough to remember atari's crashes?
[05:31] <Xyvoth[a] > i got something like that
[05:31] <robotgeek> Xyvoth[a] : okay, you are on another machine now, right?
[05:31] <Xyvoth[a] > it was cycling between 2 of those weird looking ascii garbage to a installation status bar, then loop again
[05:31] <frank23> are you sure the resolutions you chose were not too high for your monitor?
[05:32] <Xyvoth[a] > i'm pretty sure yes
[05:32] <Xyvoth[a] > and yeah, i'm on another pc now, at work
[05:32] <Xyvoth[a] > wanna hardware specs?
[05:33] <Xyvoth[a] > btw, the same installer worked fine in another (older) pc with integrated gfx
[05:34] <frank23> Xyvoth[a] : I would try again and choose 1024x768 as max resolution
[05:35] <Xyvoth[a] > i guess i can add other resolutions later?
[05:36] <Xyvoth[a] > sorry for the n00b questions
[05:36] <robotgeek> Xyvoth[a] : yes, we can add more resolutions later
[05:36] <frank23> Xyvoth[a] : did you install the amd64 version of kubuntu or i386?
[05:36] <Xyvoth[a] > ok
[05:36] <Xyvoth[a] > amd64
[05:38] <frank23> Xyvoth[a] : especially if you're new to linux, I would suggest to install i386 instead. you'll run into fewer problems with flash/codecs/commercial software/etc
[05:38] <robotgeek> Xyvoth[a] : yes, i agree with frank23
[05:38] <Xyvoth[a] > oh i didn't know i could install the i386 version
[05:38] <Xyvoth[a] > good call :)
[05:38] <Xyvoth[a] > thanks a lot for the help guys, i'll try that :)
[05:38] <robotgeek> once you are more comfortable, you can exploit your system to the fullest
[05:39] <Xyvoth[a] > yeah, i gotta get familiar with linux first
[05:40] <frank23> Xyvoth[a] : I still run i386 to avoid amd64 problems. I ran amd64 but got tired with all the fiddling
[05:40] <frank23> Xyvoth[a] : the performance difference is not that great
[05:40] <Xyvoth[a] > not like winxp/x64 difference?
[05:41] <frank23> Xyvoth[a] : well I guess it would be equivalent to that. I think its like 15% on average
[05:41] <frank23> although for some applications, amd64 is much faster
[05:43] <Xyvoth[a] > ic
[05:43] <Xyvoth[a] > ok, i'll try the i386 installer then, maybe i come back to bug you guys again
[05:43] <Xyvoth[a] > thanks both for the help :)
[05:43] <Xyvoth[a] > cyall :)
[05:43] <frank23> np
[05:44] <frank23> I wonder how many amd64 processors will never run 64bit code in their lifetime... lol
[05:46] <Kr4t05> aseigo, I used that utility and it didn't change anything.
[06:21] <nate_> ok ok, maybe someone here can help, anyone know of any good docs for ubuntu's implementation of d-i and specifically the setup of preseed files?
[06:24] <nalioth> nate_: i suggest you ask in #ubuntu-motu (and be patient for an answer there)
[06:25] <nate_> kthx
[07:01] <blueOrange> wow! lots of people here!
[07:02] <nate_> i have xgl running....it's purdy
[07:02] <aseigo> it's a party!
[07:02] <blueOrange> anyone hear me?
[07:02] <patrix> nice nate_
[07:02] <patrix> on breezy, or dapper?
[07:02] <nate_> on a livecd
[07:02] <nate_> kororaa
[07:03] <patrix> never heard of it
[07:03] <nate_> go to distrowatch
[07:03] <nate_> look it up, it automagically configures xgl
[07:03] <blueOrange> cany anyon hear me? or do i have to do some kind of registration first !?
[07:04] <nate_> i hear you BlueDevil
[07:04] <blueOrange> thxs
[07:04] <nate_> blueOrange, errr, you i mean
[07:04] <aseigo> blueOrange: what? can you speak up please?
[07:04] <GullyFoyle> where are icons normally stored?  where can i find them?
[07:05] <blueOrange> hi folks im linux noob, i havent yet tried ubuntu, but i expect to install it soon on a thinkpad t21 im expecting anyday now.
[07:06] <nate_> blueOrange, ok...try regular ubuntu first, imo, it's more noob-friendly
[07:06] <nate_> well, gnome is more noob-friendly, i should say
[07:06] <aseigo> GullyFoyle: `kde-config --prefix`/share/icons
[07:06] <aseigo> nate_: pfft
[07:06] <nate_> and be sure to check out http://help.ubuntu.com
[07:06] <blueOrange> oh, right wrong channel. i have a hardware suport suported question, beter to ask in that forum ?>
[07:07] <aseigo> nate_: there has been absolutely nothing that backs that up.. please don't spread the kool-aide
[07:07] <nate_> blueOrange, there are likely more people there, so you might have a better chance
[07:07] <aseigo> GullyFoyle: as well as in `kde-config --localprefix`/share/icons (for icons your user installs)
[07:07] <blueOrange> ok, and THXS! ill check out the help page also
[07:07] <nate_> aseigo, yes there is, gnome is less configurable with sane defaults, kde is geared more towards the hobbyist, more configurable
[07:08] <aseigo> nate_: see, that's not proof, that's a conjecture to explain the hypothesis
[07:08] <nate_> aseigo, less configurable + sane defaults = noob friendly
[07:08] <nate_> that's even gnome's mantra
[07:08] <robotgeek> nate_: pfft.
[07:08] <aseigo> nate_: reality is that people get along just fine with kde... e.g. that study during the 3.0 or 3.1 release time when they compared KDE to XP and they were neck and neck for usability
[07:09] <aseigo> nate_: they had people who had only used win95/98/2k and moved them XP or SUSE/KDE and had them perform various tasks
[07:09] <robotgeek> nate_: i hate it when a OS treats me like i am dumb. kde is nice to me :)
[07:09] <nate_> i'm not saying it isn't workable, i'm saying gnome is more noob-friendly
[07:09] <aseigo> nate_: and surprise, surprise! it was something like 30minutes for XP average, and 34 minutes for KDE
[07:10] <nate_> robotgeek, i do too, but an OS that treats you as dumb is perfect for noobs :D
[07:10] <nate_> aseigo, ummmm, ok?
[07:10] <aseigo> nate_: as for "sane defaults" i've seen enough people struggle with various gtk+ apps that i don't believe that for a moment
[07:10] <Chousuke> My family knows nothing about computers.
[07:10] <Chousuke> They picked up KDE in 10 minutes after I told them where konqueror is opened
[07:10] <aseigo> nate_: then you can pile on all the people who use kde day-to-day in schools, businesses, etc ... that are not power users, hobbyists, etc..
[07:10] <nate_> aseigo, it's not about configurability.  struggling to make gtk apps do what you want usually is about configuring them in some very special ways
[07:11] <aseigo> nate_: erm. no. want a specific example?
[07:11] <nate_> aseigo, i can say the same about kde
[07:11] <aseigo> as in a real life "was watching the user" example?
[07:11] <nate_> aseigo, and people struggling with apps on them
[07:11] <aseigo> nate_: good for you .. that would make them similar, not 'GNOME is more newbie friendly'
[07:11] <aseigo> nate_: note that you made the "better than" claim
[07:12] <nate_> i did not make a better than claim
[07:12] <aseigo> nate_: something that i'm really tired of seeing bandied about because it is quite untrue
[07:12] <GullyFoyle> heh, i'm using fluxbox with kde support for speed
[07:12] <nate_> i made a more noob-friendly claim
[07:12] <aseigo> [23:03]  <nate_> well, gnome is more noob-friendly, i should say
[07:12] <nate_> that by no means makes it better
[07:12] <aseigo> alright.. more newbie friendly. that too is an incorrect claim
[07:12] <nate_> ha
[07:13] <nate_> read their mantras
[07:13] <aseigo> as evidenced by all the newbies users we have who manage amazingly well
[07:13] <aseigo> who's mantra?
[07:13] <nate_> gnome's
[07:13] <nate_> and kde's
[07:13] <Chousuke> IMO GNOME is clearer at first sight.
[07:13] <aseigo> yeah, i'm very familiar with both projects' concepts
[07:13] <Chousuke> KDE always looked a bit cluttered to me.
[07:13] <aseigo> nate_: i can say "i am the king of siam". it doesn't make me the kind of siam
[07:13] <_russ> hate to cut into conversation...but i am a newbie with Linux and i like my KDE
[07:13] <nate_> one is geared for configurability, one is geared towards being less configurable with sane defaults.
[07:14] <aseigo> agreed (well, aside from the sane defaults, but whatever =)
[07:14] <aseigo> that doesn't mean that the "less configurable with sane defaults" attempt has translated into something more newbie friendly
[07:14] <aseigo> because .. well .. it hasn't =)
[07:14] <aseigo> they've done a very nice job, don't get me wrong
[07:15] <aseigo> and i completley respect their efforts and think that stating and following a vision as they have is very good
[07:15] <_russ> i use Kubuntu and Xandros OS...both very good and best of all...free!!
[07:15] <nate_> aseigo, with my experience I've personally, as a noob, broke so much in configuring, so to allow less configuring for a noob, means less to break
[07:15] <aseigo> _russ: i haven't used xandros recently.. which version are you using, if i may ask?
[07:15] <nate_> it's like an engine, more moving parts = more possibilities of breakage
[07:15] <_russ> 3.02 OCE
[07:16] <nate_> _russ, I was always scared away from Xandros, personally
[07:16] <_russ> the free one...not deluxe or w/e
[07:16] <aseigo> _russ: how do you find it (besides very good ;)
[07:16] <nate_> _russ, yeah, do tell
[07:16] <_russ> i've only installed it about a week ago and i personally prefer it over and linux distro i've tried so far
[07:17] <aseigo> nate_: yes, i've seen people trip over things ... that does happen and we can (and have, if you track version to version) done better with helping people along with that (try using kde 2.2 and compare, for instance ;)
[07:17] <_russ> it can be set to look like Mac OS, Windows OS, so it has a more comfortable feel for me
[07:17] <_russ> since i use both XP and OSX
[07:18] <aseigo> nate_: the danger in turning a few anecdotes into conclusions is that the sample is often not representative of the larger picture. it's like doing a gallup poll by asking the two people sitting next to you and declaring that the president's approval rating ;)
[07:18] <nate_> aseigo, yeah, but I was just pointing the guy to the engine with less moving parts, so as he explored he has less chances to break and more chances to use.  I prefer configurability myself, but I'm familiar with linux and troubleshooting
[07:18] <aseigo> +-88%
[07:18] <aseigo> nate_: well, again, i have to say that while that's a fine theory, in practice it's not particularly what you seem to expect =)
[07:19] <aseigo> s,to expect,to be expecting,
[07:19] <nate_> aseigo, i've personally used kubuntu and ubuntu and found kubuntu breaking more
[07:19] <_russ> i would personally recommend Xandros free download OS to anyone who asked me about Linux, right next to Ubutu/Kubuntu
[07:19] <aseigo> nate_: yes; that's because ubuntu is about a year younger (2 releases IIRC)
[07:19] <aseigo> nate_: which is about 50% newer
[07:20] <nate_> aseigo, ok?
[07:20] <nate_> aseigo, so what was the point of that last one?
[07:20] <aseigo> _russ: hm.. cool.. yeah, i need to install that again sometime.. i like to keep up with what people are doing with kde =)
[07:20] <nate_> man, when i have irc open i never get anything done
[07:20] <aseigo> nate_: ah.. the fact that a huge part of "things breaking" (like the graphical sudo in kde issue, being a classic example) is packaging and q/a'ing the patches applied ...
[07:21] <nate_> aseigo, soooo, your point?
[07:21] <aseigo> nate_: kubuntu applies a number of patches and changes a large number of defaults... which is cool.. we make kde in a way so that it is easy to do that
[07:21] <nate_> aseigo, how is that easier for a noob who just wants it to work?
[07:21] <aseigo> nate_: soooooo my point is that a lot of the breakages in kubuntu are not kde
[07:21] <_russ> i'm gonna switch back over to Xandros, if i can figure my way back into this IRC channel...i'll cya later...if not...take it easy :)
[07:21] <aseigo> nate_: in fact, most of the breakages i've seen have been kubuntu
[07:21] <aseigo> _russ: see ya =)
[07:21] <_russ> and thx for listening
[07:21] <nate_> aseigo, ....
[07:22] <aseigo> nate_: so to go to your car analogy ...
[07:22] <nate_> aseigo, so...your point is what?
[07:22] <aseigo> ... it's like giving a motors to two different mechanics and judging the quality of motor based on how well it runs when you get it back without taking into consideration the time, effort, etc... on the part of the mechanic
[07:23] <aseigo> nate_: my point is that saying that breakages have happened in kubuntu, -therefore- kde is less noob friendly that gnome is an errant judgement
[07:23] <aseigo> i'd certainly agree that gnome in ubuntu has had more time to mature and had more time put into it period
[07:23] <aseigo> and so you'll see a lot more polish in ubuntu than kubuntu in previous releases
[07:24] <nate_> aseigo, back to the car analogy, it's like giving the person one engine has less he can mess with instead of an engine he can mess with a lot.  The fact that he is first exploring cars makes the one that is less configurable safer for him
[07:24] <nate_> you think i'm basing this ALL on kde and it's breakage on kubuntu, and i'm not
nice theory, doesn't hold up in practice over the larger body of users</broken-record>
[07:25] <nate_> ok, so by the same token show me evidence
[07:25] <aseigo> nate_: no, though i did refute that particular part of your argument
[07:25] <patrix> oooh an argument! :)
[07:25] <nate_> aseigo, you refuted it by statements that can't be backed up
[07:25] <aseigo> nate_: well, i did tell you about that one (professional, government paid) usability study
[07:25] <nate_> aseigo, that compared what?  kde and xp?
[07:25] <aseigo> nate_: i've also been involved in a good number of open source desktop isntallatoins
[07:25] <nate_> aseigo, that is not proof
[07:26] <aseigo> ah. right. theory versus reality. sorry, forgot that reality is trumped every time ;)
[07:26] <nate_> aseigo, here, let me give you some proof..ummm...fedora....ummm....debian...ummm...
[07:27] <aseigo> see, this is what i do as my -profession-. i've spent a number of years watching and working in this area ... and hey, that's what i've seen and what i've experienced
[07:27] <nate_> you're saying reality yet you give no solid evidence in reality.  Yet I have personal experience + theory, while you have some other personal experience
[07:27] <aseigo> though i do appreciate how you've put the onus of proof on the person who didn't make the claim ;)
[07:27] <nate_> aseigo, my statements were never based on pie charts and bar graphs but on theory and personal experience
[07:28] <aseigo> nate_: oh, so what are the largest OSS desktop installations you've done? and how many years have you watched them for? and how many such have you done?
[07:28] <nate_> aseigo, but you are trying to force them into that basket then say HAHA!  where is your EVIDENCE!!! MUHAHAH!
[07:28] <patrix> yeah
[07:28] <patrix> anyways
[07:28] <nate_> A few years, the latest desktops
[07:28] <aseigo> well, yes, you make a claim so asking for supportive evidence is probably not completely out of scope? ;)
[07:29] <patrix> anybody tried wengophone ?
[07:29] <nate_> aseigo, if i was making a scientific claim, then yes
[07:30] <nate_> aseigo, it is human to give your best recommendation based on personal experience, and if theory backs that up, then great
[07:30] <aseigo> my first corporate OSS desktop installation >100 seats was in 2001 (medical imaging company) ... i've been fairly active since, and watching both GNOME and KDE used (both successfully and otherwise) in such environments has led to what i've suggested
[07:30] <aseigo> yes, it is human .. there's nothing wrong with that ..
[07:30] <nate_> aseigo, ok, and that is based on what?
[07:31] <nate_> you've suggested it based on what?
[07:31] <nate_> unless i'm misunderstanding you
[07:31] <aseigo> nate_: years of being involved with large scale deployments of open source desktops that end up on average (or worse ;) user's desks
[07:31] <aseigo> nate_: reading (what little) literature comes out on the matter
[07:31] <nate_> aseigo, your personal experience, yes
[07:31] <nate_> ok
[07:31] <nate_> thanks
[07:31] <nate_> conversation just came full circle
[07:32] <nate_> lets argue in another circle!
[07:32] <nate_> yay!
[07:32] <nate_> this could go on all night!
[07:32] <patrix> YAY!
[07:32] <patrix> hm
[07:32] <patrix> is there any way I can prevent a linux-image package, when it installs, to modify my grub.lst ?!?!??
[07:32] <NeoChaosX> not that i know of
[07:33] <patrix> darn
[07:33] <robotgeek> patrix: then it won't boot with the new kernel
[07:33] <aseigo> patrix: don't think so.. it's part of the post-install script
[07:33] <patrix> robotgeek: well ti's a problem
[07:33] <nate_> patrix, is removing it afterwards a possibility?
[07:33] <patrix> robotgeek: see I've got my own grub.lst which I can modify myself
[07:33] <patrix> robotgeek: I don't want linux-image to add every kernel at the end of the file, then add them again when I upgrade, etc
[07:33] <patrix> yeah I can remove the lines
[07:33] <robotgeek> patrix: i think you are outta luck
[07:33] <patrix> it's just an annoyance :P
[07:34] <nate_> patrix, yeah, trade-offs with the convenience of it automatically being added
[07:34] <patrix> yeah
[07:34] <patrix> at laest it stopped the arguing ;)
[07:34] <nate_> lol
[07:34] <nate_> i need to learn to touch-type properly
[07:35] <NeoChaosX> patrix: what's wrong with just removing the old kernels?
[07:35] <patrix> NeoChaosX: it's not removing them, it's appending like 8 entruies at the end of menu.lst
[07:35] <NeoChaosX> oh, I see
[07:35] <nate_> ick
[07:35] <nate_> patrix, write a script to remove it?
[07:36] <patrix> now I need to figure out why I have 2.6.12-10-i386 and 2.6.12-9-i386 !?!?!?
[07:36] <patrix> ol
[07:36] <patrix> and same for k7
[07:36] <frank23> patrix: -9 comes from before the breezy release maybe
[07:36] <patrix> thing is
[07:36] <patrix> I had -10
[07:36] <patrix> I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:36] <patrix> and it got -9
[07:38] <nate_> patrix, lol
[07:38] <patrix> weird
[07:38] <nate_> suspend logic
[07:38] <patrix> what's that pastebin url? pastebin.com seems down
[07:38] <nate_> pastebin.org?
[07:38] <nate_> i dunno, heh
[07:38] <patrix> nope
[07:38] <nate_> but xgl is purdy
[07:38] <patrix> I see one mentioned all the time in here
[07:39] <vijay> hi, how to save files in /var/www ??? (iam in user mode) should i run phpedit in sudo mode everytime
[07:39] <patrix> oh well I'll figure out my kernel mess late
[07:39] <patrix> at least the -10 are still there
[07:39] <patrix> goodnight everyone :)
[07:39] <aseigo> patrix: http://pastebin.ca/ is up.. pastebin.com is down though
[07:39] <patrix> thanks
[07:39] <aseigo> patrix: and all the *.pastebin.com (e.g. kubuntu.pastebin.com) are done through pastebin.com
[07:40] <patrix> obviuosly ;)
[07:40] <patrix> http://pastebin.ca/45586
[07:40] <patrix> any way to see the installation date on those packages?
[07:41] <nate_> wow, i just did the video playing on the edge of the desktop and watched it play while in the middle of switching desktops
[07:41] <nate_> that is soooooooo cool
[07:42] <patrix> bye :)
[07:43] <frank23> nate_: how stable is xgl right now?
[07:43] <nate_> frank23, i hear it's terrible to work out the kinks right now for ubuntu
[07:43] <nate_> frank23, but i'm running a livecd that automagically configures it
[07:43] <nate_> frank23, and it's solid on my nvidia 6800
[07:44] <frank23> nate_: oh the karaoka or something cd?
[07:44] <nate_> frank23, yeah, kororaa
[07:44] <frank23> nate_: I downloaded it but haven't tried it yet
[07:44] <nate_> frank23, it works nicely, you should try it if you have the hardware
[07:44] <nate_> frank23, it's very neat
[07:45] <frank23> nate_: I will
[08:41] <solid_liq> anyone know of an app I can use to fill in a form that's in pdf format?
[09:01] <lolziac> can somebody give me a good souces.list
[09:01] <lolziac> ???
[09:01] <robotgeek> !easysource
[09:01] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[09:02] <lolziac> !:)
[09:02] <ubotu> lolziac: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:05] <lolziac> i got a problem getting some packgaes
[09:05] <lolziac> like gnome for example
[09:06] <lolziac> when i try to get it with Adept it says to me BREAK(Install)
[09:06] <lolziac> it says same for synaptic
[09:06] <robotgeek> lolziac: you want to install which package, again?
[09:06] <lolziac> kynaptic when i wanna install them
[09:06] <lolziac> i want to install
[09:06] <lolziac> gnome
[09:06] <lolziac> or
[09:06] <lolziac> kynaptic
[09:06] <robotgeek> !enter
[09:06] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[09:07] <lolziac> my mistake :) thats the way im used to talk, ill try to correct that
[09:07] <robotgeek> lolziac: could you be a bit more clear as to what you want to install?
[09:08] <lolziac> robotgeek: i wanna install gnome, on my kubuntu
[09:08] <Chodder> apt-get install gnome
[09:08] <robotgeek> lolziac: "sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop"
[09:08] <lolziac> doesnt work, is tellin i need dependecies
[09:09] <robotgeek> lolziac: can you paste the errors in the pastebin?
[09:09] <nate_> apt-get install synaptic
[09:09] <lolziac> yes, ill try, hope its easy :)
[09:10] <lolziac> http://www.pastebin.com/ is not working
[09:11] <robotgeek> lolziac, don't paste in here. Please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:12] <lolziac> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10206
[09:13] <lolziac> ok srry
[09:13] <robotgeek> lolziac: you have some other program like adept open
[09:13] <lolziac> i closed adept, and now
[09:13] <lolziac> is getting things :)
[09:14] <lolziac> robotgeek: No solution found within the allotted time.  Try harder? [Y/n]
[09:14] <robotgeek> lolziac: yes, maybe?
[09:15] <lolziac> robotgeek: what is aptitude install ???
[09:16] <robotgeek> lolziac: so you can remove it easily later
[09:18] <lolziac> ok because, its Resolving Dependecies and asking me all the time for --> No solution found within the allotted time.  Try harder? [Y/n
[09:19] <robotgeek> lolziac: okay, try with sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop then
[09:19] <lolziac> ok ill try this one :)
[09:20] <lolziac> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10207
[09:22] <lolziac> robotgeek: what do u propse :) !!!
[09:22] <robotgeek> lolziac: can you paste me your sources.list
[09:23] <lolziac> yes
[09:24] <lolziac> robotgeek:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10209
[09:26] <robotgeek> lolziac: your sources.list is so confusing
[09:26] <lolziac> i had mine, but i took from another person here in the channel
[09:26] <lolziac> to try it with diffrent sorces.list, cuz i thought there could be the problem
[09:27] <robotgeek> lolziac: did you apt-get update?
[09:27] <lolziac> yes as I know
[09:27] <robotgeek> lolziac: then "sudo apt-get install dbus-1-utils"
[09:28] <lolziac>   dbus-1-utils: Depends: dbus but it is not going to be installed
[09:28] <robotgeek> lolziac: "sudo apt-get -f install"
[09:29] <lolziac> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:29] <robotgeek> lolziac: sudo apt-get install dbus
[09:30] <lolziac> dbus is already the newest version.
[09:30] <lolziac> wierd a ?? :)
[09:31] <robotgeek> lolziac: crazy. "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[09:31] <lolziac> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:32] <lolziac> just to tell u, maybe that could help
[09:32] <lolziac> the last thing before 2 days, i did, $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:33] <lolziac> did not understand this one :)
[09:33] <robotgeek> lolziac: the backports reporisotry in your sources.list
[09:34] <robotgeek> lolziac: let me come back with a cup of coffee :)
[09:34] <lolziac> ok man
[09:36] <robotgeek> lolziac: why? are you going to hack me :)
[09:36] <lolziac> lolz
[09:36] <lolziac> :) checking the version
[09:41] <robotgeek> lolziac: back
[09:42] <lolziac> robotgeek: here
[09:42] <lolziac> :)
[09:42] <robotgeek> lolziac: glad to know i have not been hacked in my absence :)
[09:42] <lolziac> hahah
[09:43] <lolziac> far away from hacking :)
[09:44] <robotgeek> lolziac: do you have your old sources.list?
[09:44] <lolziac> no
[09:44] <robotgeek> lolziac: <sigh>
[09:44] <lolziac> replaced it
[09:45] <lolziac> i think i found it
[09:45] <pradeepto> robotgeek: got koffice working eventually
[09:45] <robotgeek> pradeepto: how, and where were the updates?
[09:45] <lolziac> robotgeek:  i have it, see i did a backup :)
[09:46] <robotgeek> lolziac: cool, replace this sources.list with your original one
[09:47] <pradeepto> robotgeek: I did use the links that you gave me but somehow my sources.list didnot have "breezy main"
[09:47] <robotgeek> ah
[09:47] <lolziac> done and did an apt-get update :)
[09:47] <pradeepto> robotgeek: and ofcourse I changed to .gb
[09:49] <lolziac> robotgeek: replaced done update :)
[09:49] <robotgeek> pradeepto: gb? closer?
[09:49] <robotgeek> lolziac: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:49] <pradeepto> robotgeek: well it worked.
[09:49] <lolziac> the same message, listing packgaes that have unmet dependecies
[09:50] <pradeepto> robotgeek: is .in actually in .in
[09:50] <robotgeek> lolziac: hmm, crazy. okay, i give up. ask in #ubuntu :)
[09:50] <robotgeek> pradeepto: yes, maybe in mumbai itself :)
[09:50] <lolziac> :) and i thought im gonna fix this problem just like that :)
[09:51] <pradeepto> robotgeek: really
[09:51] <pradeepto> robotgeek: oh yes tifr
[09:51] <robotgeek> pradeepto: just guessing.
[09:51] <pradeepto> robotgeek: wait let me confirm
[09:54] <pradeepto> robotgeek: not in tifr for sure
[09:54] <robotgeek> pradeepto: maybe in the iit?
[09:54] <KaoticEvil> hey everyone :)
[09:54] <pradeepto> perhaps
[09:54] <_mindspin> robotgeek: what are you talking about ?
[09:55] <lolziac> robotgeek: i think im gonna reinstall one more time kubuntu :). to fix this problem
[09:55] <robotgeek> _mindspin: about where the indian mirror is located at
[09:55] <KaoticEvil> can anyone tell me what the heck apgart is for?
[09:55] <KaoticEvil> i know it has something to do with my video card, because i canged my card, and i see an error message on boot up now
[09:56] <KaoticEvil> changed*
[09:56] <_mindspin> isnt it agpart KaoticEvil ?
[09:56] <KaoticEvil> could be.. cant really read it all that well.. goes by kinda fast :P
[09:57] <robotgeek> KaoticEvil: dmesg | less
[09:58] <KaoticEvil> oh, hey.. thats cool
[10:03] <KaoticEvil> can i pipe that output to a file?
[10:03] <nate_> dmesg > file
[10:03] <robotgeek> KaoticEvil: sure, dmesg > file
[10:04] <nate_> you can redirect all standard output to file, and all standard input from a file
[10:04] <KaoticEvil> wierd... i dont see the error message...
[10:04] <nate_> check the other end
[10:04] <KaoticEvil> ive searched the enitre file top to bottom and bottom to top...
[10:05] <KaoticEvil> does /var/log keep old boot up logs? or only for the most recent boot?
[10:06] <KaoticEvil> ah, there it is...
[10:06] <KaoticEvil> agpgart: Detected an Intel i810 chipset, but could not find the secondary device.
[10:07] <KaoticEvil> i no longer use that video chip...
[10:10] <KaoticEvil> so i no longer need that module... how can i remove it from the kernel and keep it from loading
[10:10] <KaoticEvil> ?
[10:11] <KaoticEvil> for that matter... lsmod reveals a LOT of modules i dont need...
[10:18] <Captainbraille> What is the command you use to clear out all the downloaded packages from adept? I think a file downloaded wrong and I want to redownload it
[10:19] <robotgeek> sudo apt-get clean
[10:20] <KaoticEvil> Captainbraille: sudo apt-get clean
[10:20] <KaoticEvil> yeah, robotgeek beat me to it
[10:20] <Captainbraille> lol, thanks guys =) Where is the folder for that anyway?
[10:21] <farous> Captainbraille: /var/apt/cache
[10:21] <Captainbraille> Thank you very much =)
[10:25] <Tm_T> yeah
[10:25] <Tm_T> JakubS: hey, you!
[10:27] <JakubS> who summons me? ;-)
[10:27] <JakubS> Tm_T: hello
[10:32] <wimpies> HI all, often when i click on URL the download manager progress dialog pops up...
[10:32] <wimpies> I want it only when downloads ARE happening and not potentially could be happening ... How ?
[10:33] <osh_> What ports do I need to open to get some sort of acceptable speed from the flight4 torrent?
[10:49] <triceratops> How can it be avoided that kaddressbook always deletes the addressbook.vcf file after every update/upgrade?
[10:49] <robotgeek> triceratops: really, does that happen?
[10:50] <triceratops> robotgeek: Yepp, happened several times up to now. The addressbook.vcf file is empty, so are the bakups...
[10:50] <robotgeek> triceratops: are you on kde 3.5.1?
[10:51] <triceratops> robotgeek: yepp, dapper. But I had this also with kde 3.0 on
[10:51] <robotgeek> triceratops: doesn't happen to me, file a bug however
[10:52] <robotgeek> with steps to reproduce too
[10:53] <triceratops> robotgeek: I didn't figure out if it is during a upgrade or due to normal operation. It also might be that it happens due to a daemon crash
[10:53] <robotgeek> triceratops: there was a kmail bug, one sec
[10:54] <triceratops> robotgeek: If it is a bug I would asume that someone should have seen this also. It's now the fifth time that I could see this..
[10:56] <robotgeek> triceratops: i'm not able to locate it right away, lemme see
[10:57] <triceratops> robotgeek: It occurs quite randomly and till now I wasn't able to make it reproducable. In the meaning of making it traceable for others.
[10:57] <yo_yo> good morning boys
[10:57] <yo_yo> :)
[10:57] <robotgeek> yes, im in a meeting, can you gimme 15-20  minutes
[10:58] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:58] <visik7> hello
[10:59] <yo_yo> hello
[10:59] <slow-motion> hello visik7
[10:59] <yo_yo> ^_^
[10:59] <triceratops> robotgeek: But once I had this behaviour when I killed a socket file in ~/.kde/$somewhere. So that was just stupidity, once.
[11:01] <triceratops> robotgeek: My dirty workaround for this is having a addressbook.vcf.bakup file to restore it from time to time
[11:34] <weedar> If you choose no to setting up network on install, how to do you start that setup after install?
[12:01] <rosco> hi
[12:02] <rosco> I'm using kubuntu 5.10 on a powerbook, and when I type "trackpad show", I get a "no trackpad". But the trackpad works! Any idea how to use this command ?
[12:43] <killian> hello, where do i get kubuntu flight 5?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> killian: kubuntu.org, i think
[12:44] <killian> they give a web address
[12:44] <killian> but its nonexistent
[12:46] <killian> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/
[12:46] <killian> this doesnt work
[12:47] <killian> i would like to download kubuntu flight 5, but is doesnt seem to be on the servers yet
[12:48] <Hobbsee> killian: then kubuntu flight 5 is not out yet
[12:49] <Hobbsee> install flight 4, or wait a few days, if you wish
[12:49] <killian> yep
[12:49] <killian> thats what ill do
[12:49] <killian> wait
[12:49] <killian> i already have flight 4 installed
[12:49] <Hobbsee> then why get flight 5?
[12:49] <Hobbsee> just do an update && upgrade
[12:50] <killian> how?
[12:50] <killian> just by typing what you wrote earlier?
[12:50] <ubijtsa> killian: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[12:50] <osh_> Flight5 is out?
[12:50] <ubijtsa> no
[12:51] <ubijtsa> not the kubuntu one anyway
[12:51] <killian> how do i update my kubuntu flight?
[12:51] <ubijtsa> killian: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[12:52] <slow-motion> bbl
[12:52] <ubijtsa> killian: once you have ubuntu installed, you keep up2date by updating from th official repositories
[12:53] <ubijtsa> killian: unless you are specifically testing the installer that is
[12:53] <killian> i've got kubuntu flight installed
[12:53] <killian> the test version
[12:53] <killian> so i want to update from flight 4 to flight5
[12:53] <ubijtsa> and then you can just as well grab the normal ubuntu install ISO
[12:53] <Hobbsee> killian: yes, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:53] <killian> ok
[12:53] <Hobbsee> you dont need a full cd for it - this isnt SuSE
[12:53] <killian> i'll try that
[12:54] <killian> if this works, it would be nice
[12:54] <killian> i think it doesnt
[12:54] <killian> it just wants to upgrade some packages, not kde, or the core of kubuntu (kernel, etc)
[12:57] <Hobbsee> killian: that probably means that there were no updates to kde/kernel
[12:58] <killian> anyway, i wonder what the new updates are for kubuntu fligh5
[12:58] <killian> th wiki is more specific on ubuntu
[12:58] <ubijtsa2> there won't be that much difference
[12:58] <ubijtsa2> still kde 3.5.1
[12:59] <Hobbsee> killian: yes, i've been poking people about that, i'll have to poke in the next meeting, which i solemly swear that I WILL BE AT!
[12:59] <Hobbsee> there are various bits - kernel is now 2.6.15-18-*
[12:59] <ubijtsa2> Hobbsee: that made it to the flight5 ISO? good stuff
[01:00] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa2: i'm not sure - but i'd expect so
[01:00] <Hobbsee> if not that, -17 did
[01:00] <ubijtsa2> yeh
[01:01] <Hobbsee> killian: looks like a newer version of oo.o2, as well
[01:01] <Hobbsee> some more kubuntu-default-settings changes
[01:02] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure - i didnt work on it terribly much
[01:13] <MrFaber> hi all
[01:13] <MrFaber> Is there anyone with a laptop and a external monitor?
[01:14] <cmon> MrFaber: yup
[01:15] <MrFaber> great
[01:15] <MrFaber> cmon, could you post your xorg.conf?
[01:15] <MrFaber> with pastebin or something like that
[01:16] <cmon> MrFaber: sure, hang on...
[01:20] <cmon> MrFaber: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/601150
[01:20] <cmon> that's with xinerama enabled on my compaq nc6220 1400x1050 + 17'' LCD panel 1280x1024
[01:21] <MrFaber> cmon, thx
[01:21] <MrFaber> i hope that it helps :)
[01:25] <MrFaber> cmon, do you know how to create the modeline?
[01:28] <MrFaber> cmon, do you have some time, check my xorg.conf?
[01:29] <cmon> MrFaber: i used http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl to generate my modeline
[01:30] <cmon> MrFaber: can you paste your xorg.conf?
[01:30] <MrFaber> thx
[01:30] <MrFaber> of course if you have some time :)
[01:31] <MrFaber> cmon, http://pastebin.ca/45658
[01:34] <cmon> MrFaber: can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log too?
[01:36] <MrFaber> cmon, sure
[01:36] <MrFaber> but I have to restart
[01:36] <MrFaber> I have reset it because I can't manage desktop with this settings
[01:36] <MrFaber> maybe the LFP and CRT helped
[01:44] <Blippe> is it possible to get konqueror to open arj, rar, 7z and not only zip files "natively"
[01:49] <dikatlon> I am just writing something here to test the beagle konversation filter
[01:52] <morrow> are there any plans to integrate beagle into kubuntu?
[01:53] <morrow> f.e. with kerry?
[01:55] <Trolly> hello :)
[01:55] <Trolly> english speaking only here?
[01:56] <tijn> yes
[01:58] <Trolly> okay i have a little problem
[01:58] <Trolly> i'm online with live dvd of dapper
[01:59] <Trolly> but when i want installing it braking with /dev/ram not exist
[02:01] <Trolly> not much reaction :)
[02:12] <MrFaber> cmon, linux can kill people, really :-D
[02:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:12] <Hobbsee> you sure about that?
[02:13] <MrFaber> yes, it manipulates people to kill themselves
[02:13] <MrFaber> :-D
[02:13] <MrFaber> I don't want to kill Castro, I just wanted to add a monitor to my laptop
[02:14] <psycho_oreos> MrFaber: if you are trying to impose linux can kill people. Then are you also imposing that gun can also kill people? :p
[02:14] <MrFaber> yes, but the gun doesn'T manipulate
[02:14] <MrFaber> it just kills
[02:14] <MrFaber> and then there is silence
[02:15] <psycho_oreos> no no, gun can manipulate if linux can manipulate :p
[02:15] <_sascha> Hi!
[02:15] <MrFaber> hi _sascha
[02:19] <MrFaber> cmon, should I still post?
[02:19] <MrFaber> I think it doesn't realize that there are two screens
[02:20] <MrFaber> if I use the nvidia twin setting the second screen is off while x is running
[02:21] <MrFaber> Anyone else who has a monitor connected to a laptop and which works?
[02:22] <MrFaber> bbl
[02:47] <cmon> MrFaber: had some work to do. how's it going with your X?
[02:48] <Trolly> someone here who knows if there is an kernelimage package fpr 2.6.14 in breeze?
[02:48] <krypto> hi
[02:48] <Trolly> fpr==for
[02:48] <Trolly> hi krypto
[02:49] <krypto> someone uses eclipse in here? i want to give the motiv version a try because the gtk2 version is slow as hell
[02:49] <krypto> but I cant figure out how to start it
[02:50] <krypto> *motif :)
[02:54] <dean> could anyne tell me how to alter the permissions of the windows drives that show up under media in kde?
[02:55] <MrFaber> cmon, it doesn't work
[02:56] <MrFaber> the only thing that works it without special configuration cloneing of the screen with interpolation
[02:56] <cmon> are you trying twinview or xinerama right now?
[03:13] <klemens> Hi there :) I got a fast question; Whats the key combo to switch between workspaces?
[03:14] <_derek> anyone know why konqueror would open debs in kate..?
[03:14] <LeeJunFan> anyone know if yahoo changed their protocol? I haven't been able to sign onto yahoo with kopete for a day or so now.
[03:15] <ubijtsa> _derek: content-type is set wrong on web server
[03:15] <LeeJunFan> _derek: or if they are local files then your associations are set wrong locally.
[03:18] <_derek> its from kde-look
[03:20] <_derek> does the same thing with rpms
[03:25] <weedar> I downloaded kernel 2.6.14 and installed it - I can safely delete all packages related to 2.6.12 and the like, right?
[03:28] <benkong2> Heu dapper drake is awesome in kubuntu I love the graphics
[03:29] <visik7> what change from 3.5.1 backport for breezy ?
[03:29] <benkong2> Only one thing I had ubuntu working perfectly ifplug net manager wireless and all switched etc. When I did an apt-get instal kubuntu-desktop it all broke. What happened?
[03:30] <benkong2> Is there an equivalent to nm-manager applet in KDE? Or how can I find out what happened?
[03:30] <thompa> i like the new desktop style too
[03:31] <thompa> ipv6 is a problem though
[03:31] <thompa> i disabled ipv6 in firefox and my pages load 6 times faster
[03:32] <thompa> no idea why konqueror still takes 40 secs to load a page though, and no idea hw ot fix it
[03:50] <murray_> Firetech: bug reporting ....
[03:50] <murray_> sorry ... re: Bug reporting
[03:51] <slow-motion> re
[04:06] <MrFaber> cmon,
[04:07] <MrFaber> anyone useing nvidia twinview on linux?
[04:12] <linxtvr> hi, I deleted proftpd in the /etc/init.d/ folder, anyone know how I can get it back
[04:14] <cmon> MrFaber, does your setup work in that other OS?
[04:28] <pulsar84> Hi!
[04:28] <pulsar84> I've got some strange font problems with wxvlc and/or GTK-1.2... Anyone who could help me?
[04:32] <DevGet> since I updated my kubuntu dapper, all font's has got so big
[04:32] <DevGet> how to fix?
[04:32] <tristanmike> pulsar84, what's the problem?
[04:33] <pulsar84> tristanmike: Well, wxvlc and GTK-1.2 have too big and ugly fonts. I assume, as wxvlc seems to rely on GTK, that's the same problem.
[04:33] <pulsar84> tristanmike: GTK2 and QT work fine.
[04:34] <pulsar84> I think, that might have to do something with DPI settings, but what should I do about that?
[04:35] <tristanmike> pulsar84, hmm, are you running Dapper?
[04:36] <thompa> gdesklets wont start for some reason
[04:36] <pulsar84> tristanmike: No, Breezy.
[04:37] <tristanmike> pulsar84, well, I've had some problems with vlc, are you trying to use skins (ie, or not make it look as crappy as it does by default)?  What cause this intital problem? straight from the install?
[04:38] <pulsar84> tristanmike: I'm not sure, as I hadn't installed vlc straight from installation. And since then, I've reconfigured a whole lot about fonts and dpi settings.
[04:39] <pulsar84> tristanmike: And no, no skins. Just the plain wxWidgets interface.
[04:39] <noteventime> !ntfs
[04:39] <ubotu> ntfs is probably the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[04:39] <tristanmike> pulsar84, did you compile ?
[04:39] <pulsar84> tristanmike: No. Binary package. Let me check out the version.
[04:39] <pulsar84> Thats wxvlc 0.8.4-svn20050920-3+hal0ubuntu3.
[04:40] <noteventime> Doen anyone here know how to add debugging information in kdevelop 3.3.1
[04:40] <tristanmike> pulsar84, oh, when I said "installation" I actually meant compile or repos, sorry, my bad
[04:41] <tristanmike> pulsar84, right, that's the same version I have...
[04:41] <tristanmike> pulsar84, would it be possible to get a screenshot?
[04:42] <pulsar84> Sure.
[04:43] <FiNeX> hi!
[04:43] <patrix> greetings!
[04:45] <pulsar84> tristanmike: http://pulsar.lart.info/vlc.png (I included parts of Konversation for comparison)
[04:54] <pulsar84> tristanmike: Any ideas?
[04:56] <tristanmike> pulsar84, sooo sorry dude, I got called away from my keyboard :(
[04:57] <pulsar84> tristanmike: Oh, okay. Don't worry.
[04:57] <tristanmike> pulsar84, right, unfortunatly, as I understand it, because I have the same issue, it's not fixable this release unless you compile from source
[04:57] <tristanmike> pulsar84, lemme show you
[04:57] <pulsar84> tristanmike: You think that's a bug?
[04:59] <tristanmike> pulsar84, well, bug, yes and no, it's not an "official" bug because I think, if I'm not mistake, it's a backports project
[04:59] <tristanmike> pulsar84, I believe the package wasn't compiled correctly, or used the wrong wxwidgets and thus the look
[05:00] <pulsar84> tristanmike: I think it's rather a configuration problem. My GTK-1.2 applications (i.e. gtk-theme-switch) look the same.
[05:00] <tristanmike> pulsar84, I'm almost positive it's package related, you won't be able to get skins working either
[05:00] <pulsar84> Who wants skins anyway? ;p
[05:01] <tristanmike> pulsar84, i run both kubuntu and ubuntu, right now I'm in Ubuntu (Breezy) and here's my vlc  http://rapidshare.de/files/15487790/Screenshot-VLC_media_player.png.html
[05:03] <pulsar84> tristanmike: Yeah, looks the same... Did you do anything about your dpi-settings? E.g. change display-size in X config or so?
[05:05] <tristan_> When I use the list function in Konqueror the filenames are written in green : anyone know how to change the color. I looked in the Konweror confguration button but did not find anything....
[05:05] <tristanmike> pulsar84, no, what first led me onto it was the trouble I had getting skins installed, and upon research, I discovered that the package itself was the issue
[05:05] <tristanmike> pulsar84, here's a quote "Breezy's vlc was compiled with GTK+ 1.2 support instead of the newer
[05:05] <tristanmike> GTK+ 2.8 due to locale-handling bugs both in the widget set
[05:05] <tristanmike> (wxwidgets2.6, which uses GTK+ 2. and in vlc itself. These bugs have
[05:05] <tristanmike> since been fixed in the most recent stable release of vlc, which is in
[05:05] <tristanmike> Dapper. An earlier preliminary snapshot has been backported from Dapper
[05:05] <tristanmike> to Breezy, so use the breezy-backports repository."
[05:05] <tristanmike> CRAP
[05:06] <tristanmike> sorry, didn't expect _that_ to happen, booo :(
[05:07] <pulsar84> Hmmm. Well, sound like another thing on my Things-I-have-to-endure-until-my-Breezy-to-Dapper-upgrade list.
[05:08] <tristanmike> pulsar84, yeah, me too, basically, if the "backports" guys pushed the right buttons so to speak, we'd upgrade to a cleaner version, but oh well
[05:10] <pulsar84> Ah, well. It's not so long until dapper release. I haven't been using vlc extensively though.
[05:11] <pulsar84> I used to love it in Windows, but in Linux there are equal alternatives.
[05:12] <nate_> dapper....upgrade.....taking.....forever.....
[05:13] <pulsar84> nate_: What do you mean?
[05:13] <morrow> slow internet connection? :)
[05:13] <nate_> no, slow processor
[05:14] <nate_> upgrading to dapper...and taking a long time, imo
[05:14] <osh_> dapper is out? wasn't it going to be delayed?
[05:15] <morrow> osh_: its still beta
[05:15] <nate_> yeah
[05:16] <osh_> right. then I haven't  missed something. I'm still waiting for flight5 to see if some of my bugs have been corrected... :-)
[05:17] <osh_> Here's something I thought was really cool. P2P-email: http://zgp.org/pipermail/p2p-hackers/2005-May/002590.html
[05:18] <tristanmike> pulsar84, plus you should probably compile it by source anyway, vlc compiled doesn't come with .mkv support, if you use that file type.
[05:18] <pulsar84> Never heard of it at all. ;-)
[05:19] <pulsar84> Nah, I won't care about ugly vlc until dapper. They've hopefully got working packages there.
[05:20] <tristanmike> well, I just meant for more file type support, that's all
[05:23] <cA1mAn> hello, i want to ask a maybe to overasked question, but still: which is *ACTUALLY* (and for the fututre) the best filesystem for my desktop use (files from 10kb to 4GB)? ext3, xfs or resierfs? According to this recent test: http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html , xfs is the winner.. what do you think?
[05:24] <tristanmike> my opinion is that if ext3 wasn't percieved as the best overall filesystem for a Desktop/Business user, then ext3 would not be the default....that's just my opinion
[05:59] <DuAl_Try> Bonjour
[06:00] <tristanmike> hello :)
[06:01] <DuAl_Try> j'ai une geforce6 6600 qui gere le dual screen, je suis sous kubuntu et je n'arrive pas a le faire marcher... je precise que je debute un peu sous linux (je connais quand meme quelques bases) et que je suis deja pass par google :)
[06:01] <DuAl_Try> Certains ici se servent du dual screen avec nvidia ?
[06:02] <tristanmike> !fr
[06:02] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:02] <tristanmike> merci
[06:02] <DuAl_Try> oh sorry =)
[06:02] <tristanmike> no worries
[06:02] <tristanmike> :)
[06:03] <DuAl_Try> thanks for the link I'm gonna check those channels
[06:09] <wellington> hello word :P
[06:09] <noteventime> echo...
[06:09] <world> hello wellington
[06:10] <wellington> rsrs
[06:10] <wellington> who are you
[06:11] <noteventime> me?
[06:11] <wellington> yes
[06:11] <noteventime> I'm world
[06:11] <noteventime> :D
[06:11] <mijndert> i destroy worlds for a living
[06:11] <DuAl_Try> worldS ?
[06:12] <Chodder> Hah, this is the best thing ever! http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31865
[06:12] <noteventime> Sorry mijndert im the only one
[06:12] <Chodder> no more hitting alt+f2 and typing kcontrol
[06:12] <mijndert> lol
[06:12] <noteventime> yakuake ^^
[06:13] <wellington> sorry, e need back to work
[06:13] <wellington> bye
[06:18] <indy> hi there
[06:18] <noteventime> 'ello
[06:18] <indy> anychance of a quick question?
[06:18] <noteventime> sure
[06:19] <indy> im trying to install kubuntu on a fujitsu laptop with a celeron chip
[06:19] <indy> after ubuntu failed
[06:19] <noteventime> ok
[06:19] <noteventime> How does it fail and when?
[06:20] <indy> your cpu doesn't support long mode. use 32 bit distribution
[06:20] <indy> and i havent got a clue
[06:20] <indy> what cd to download
[06:21] <noteventime> You are trying to instal the 64bit version
[06:22] <noteventime> I can give you a link to the one you need
[06:22] <noteventime> Do you want dapper (next version of ubuntu, still a little beta) or breezy (the current version)?
[06:23] <indy>  wait, should i download the i386 torrent?
[06:23] <noteventime> yes
[06:24] <indy> dnt have a network on that machine
[06:24] <noteventime> ?
[06:24] <indy> ok, ill do that . . .
[06:24] <indy> i mean i cant do network install or anything like that
[06:24] <noteventime> ok
[06:25] <Skrot> Hi. I've got a laptop with a VGA port. I'd like to use both the monitors (clone), do I need to set up something in X.org config for dual monitors?
[06:25] <indy> so 386 is an anypc disk?
[06:26] <mijndert> indy, it's for 32 bits x86 CPU's
[06:26] <DuAl_Try> Rebonjour
[06:27] <noteventime> 'ello
[06:27] <DuAl_Try> ok ^^
[06:27] <DuAl_Try> gonnaask a french question again :/
[06:47] <Tm_T> moin
[07:00] <Celeste> hi
[07:00] <Celeste> how can I flush the DNS cache please?
[07:02] <paines> Celeste: you mean reload or clear
[07:02] <paines> Celeste: rndc reload , rndc flush
[07:02] <Celeste> paines,  you decide what I need ....  I transferred my domain to a new provider some days ago
[07:02] <Celeste> I cannot see the new site, I always come to the old one
[07:02] <Celeste> the new DNS is in the WHOIS
[07:03] <Celeste> and all my friends see the new site
[07:03] <Celeste> paines?
[07:04] <paines> Celeste: how are you trying to do this
[07:04] <Celeste> paines, by typing it into my browser
[07:05] <paines> Celeste: well, press f5 or ctrl +r to reload
[07:05] <Celeste> paines, I cleared my cache several times
[07:07] <paines> which browser is that ?
[07:07] <Celeste> root@linux:/# rndc flush
[07:07] <Celeste> bash: rndc: command not found
[07:07] <Celeste> root@linux:/#
[07:07] <Celeste> paines, firefox cannot get the new DNS
[07:07] <Celeste> opera can
[07:08] <paines> forget that with rndc. i thought you mean the dns server
[07:08] <paines> i had that too with firefox. just pressed f5 a couple of time and that did it
[07:09] <paines> otherwise, the is a bunch of ff extension to clean cache and stuff. try with that
[07:09] <paines> otherwise, there is
[07:29] <swedish> once ive installed openssh server, how do i configure it, or do i not need to?
[07:33] <nlindblad> swedish: the standard configuration is just fine
[07:33] <DeluxXx> anyone knows a perleditor like optiperl for linux ?
[07:33] <robotgeek> DeluxXx: hmm, no clue. vim with a few plugins?
[07:33] <nlindblad> swedish: allows all users on the system to login by ssh:ing port 22
[07:33] <swedish> well i have a new installation of kubuntu
[07:34] <swedish> and i JUST installed the server
[07:34] <nlindblad> swedish: if you want to configure it and tune the options, have a look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[07:34] <swedish> i found a guide about starting/stopping the service adn setting it to auto
[07:34] <swedish> k
[07:36] <swedish> how do i look at services at boot in kubuntu?
[07:38] <elijahlofgren> swedish: Go to System Settings and click on "System Services"
[07:39] <swedish> yeah i found it, thank you
[07:39] <_krypto> anyone knows how to start the motif version of eclipse?
[07:48] <swedish> ive installed the SSH server and set it to start on boot but it fails to start, any ideas?
[07:52] <_bert_> Can you ping each computer?
[07:53] <swedish> the service wont start, i dont see what that has to do with pinging?
[07:57] <Paradosso> could anyone advise me a bittorrent client with multiple transfers support and not too heavy on resources? except azureus and ktorrent
[08:10] <arrinmurr> Paradosso: bittornado with btdownloadcurses ? :)
[08:11] <Paradosso> arrinmurr, it's what I use, but it does only a torrent at a time :)
[08:11] <robotgeek> Paradosso: open s screen, and download as many as you want
[08:22] <shawn___> hey, I'm about to reinstall windows XP on a kubuntu (dapper drake) and Windows box, when I reinstall windows it takes over the MBR, I'm wondering the easiest way to reinstall grub. does it have an oiption to do that on the Kubuntu disk?
[08:22] <DeluxXx> how i can put snort in the startup ?
[08:23] <DeluxXx> how i can put snort in the startup ?
[08:23] <noteventime> shawn_: You can use the dapper drake cd
[08:23] <shawn___> what optioons do I have to go to to get to th grub reinstall?
[08:23] <noteventime> shawn_: The dapper drake cd has a recovery option
[08:24] <shawn___> oh okay and I'd do what it that option?
[08:24] <shawn___> *in
[08:24] <pradeepto> Riddell:
[08:25] <noteventime> shawn__: I dont remember exactly, but i think its pretty logic
[08:25] <DeluxXx> hey
[08:25] <noteventime> shawn__: You shouldn't have any problems
[08:25] <DeluxXx> how i can put snort in the startup
[08:25] <noteventime> ey!
[08:25] <noteventime> snort?
[08:25] <shawn___> oh okay, thankyou, just making sure
[08:25] <DeluxXx> how i can put snort in the startup
[08:25] <noteventime> np :D
[08:26] <noteventime> what is snort?
[08:26] <noteventime> either put a script in init.d or put a link in /usr/share/autostart/
[08:28] <noteventime> Has anyone tried the acid2 test in konqueror?
[08:29] <Tm_T> yup
[08:29] <noteventime> how did it "score"?
[08:29] <Tm_T> iirc perfect
[08:30] <noteventime> wow
[08:30] <Riddell> pradeepto?
[08:30] <noteventime> konqueror made it ^^
[08:30] <pradeepto> Riddell: yes, when is eta for Kubuntu Dapper Flight4
[08:30] <pradeepto> Riddell: yes, when is eta for Kubuntu Dapper Flight5
[08:31] <agalavis> hi all
[08:31] <kosh> yeah konqueror does fine in acid2 test with one caveat
[08:31] <kosh> since it has minimum size enforcement you can make it look visually screwed up
[08:31] <noteventime> 'ello
[08:31] <noteventime> ok
[08:31] <kosh> but that is the correct behavior and it is even noted somewhere for that test
[08:31] <Tm_T> http://webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html
[08:31] <kosh> so it might look like it does not pass but it really does
[08:32] <Riddell> pradeepto: whenever these things finish downloading (then I'll test and release if they work)
[08:32] <Riddell> pradeepto: but there's too many people downloading ubuntu flight 5, these are downloading at a snail's pace
[08:32] <pradeepto> Riddell: oke oke thanks. hmmm
[08:33] <ciga> hi
[08:33] <noteventime> torrent
[08:33] <Riddell> pradeepto: so hopefully it'll be out when you wake up tomorrow :)
[08:34] <pradeepto> Riddell: good to know that.
[08:34] <pradeepto> :)
[08:34] <ciga> I'd like to hibernate my Desktop. How should I do that in Breezy?
[08:34] <Riddell> ciga: sudo pmi action hibernate
[08:35] <Riddell> or use klaptopdaemon, which will do the same
[08:39] <ciga> hmm
[08:41] <ciga> it says some errors
[08:41] <ciga> it stopped my mysql server :)
[08:42] <ciga> /etc/acpi/prepare.sh: line 7: cardctl: command not found
[08:42] <ciga> oh, cardctl is for pcmcia
[08:42] <trappist> ciga: sudo apt-get install pcmcia-cs
[08:43] <ciga> doh:)
[08:43] <trappist> ciga: be a dear and file a bug report on that
[08:43] <ciga> I can live with an error message :)
[08:50] <ciga> you won.
[08:50] <noteventime> yay!
[08:54] <spintaro> Hey can anyone help me reak quick with a problem?
[08:55] <arrinmurr> !helpme
[08:55] <noteventime> shoot
[08:55] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[08:55] <BigBadBen> depends on the problem, but don't ask to ask, just ask :)
[08:56] <spintaro> Well I just installed the 64bit Kubuntu on my main computer, I can boot successfully into the repair mode, but when i try to boot into the defualt mode it hangs and pixels are askew on the screen not letting me put any information into the login window
[08:56] <spintaro> BTW im really new at linux
[08:57] <kosh> spintaro: first what cpu do you have
[08:58] <arrinmurr> spintaro: not sure if it helps with that problem, but you'll end up with a lot less problems if you use the i386 version for now
[08:58] <kosh> spintaro: what cpu do you have?
[08:58] <spintaro> Yea it almost looks like a video driver problem but im a windows guy
[08:59] <spintaro> I have a athlon 64 3200+
[08:59] <arrinmurr> BigBadBen: with flash and all?
[08:59] <kosh> arrinmurr: flash not working is a huge feature
[08:59] <kosh> arrinmurr: actually flash does not work on 64bit in any platform right now which is great
[08:59] <kosh> spintaro: what video card do you have?
[08:59] <arrinmurr> kosh: unfortunately it's needed sometimes
[09:00] <kosh> for what?
[09:00] <kosh> what actually needs flash?
[09:00] <spintaro> I have a 7800 GT
[09:00] <kosh> spintaro: are you running the 64bit version of those drivers?
[09:00] <BigBadBen> I hate flash. but I do have a 32bit chroot setup, just haven't got around to installing firefox + flash yet.
[09:01] <kosh> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_1.0-8178.html
[09:01] <arrinmurr> kosh: what i meant was unfortunately it's used sometimes ;)
[09:01] <spintaro> I don't know cause I cant even log on to the KDE desktop, is there a way to update thru the command prompt?
[09:01] <kosh> flash still has some nasty security holes and the odds are macromedia will never fix them
[09:01] <kosh> I don't allow flash to be used anywhere in this organization
[09:01] <kosh> spintaro: yup you can update through the command prompt
[09:01] <kosh> you can even browse the web from there
[09:02] <kosh> however you probably need to remove any of the ubuntu nvidia stuff
[09:02] <spintaro> how do you do that? I'm really new to linux but I want to learn
[09:02] <spintaro> which distro should i boot to
[09:02] <arrinmurr> kosh: but flash is not the only problem
[09:04] <arrinmurr> but if the 64bit version works fine, great. there are just some situations when something special needs to be done to get things to work, for now at least
[09:04] <kosh> spintaro: sorry I just don't have the time it would take you walk you through it, I have to get some other work done
[09:04] <spintaro> ok
[09:04] <kosh> arrinmurr: what other apps?
[09:05] <spintaro> can anyone help me out on how to launch a web browser through the command prompt?
[09:05] <kosh> links http://someurl
[09:05] <kosh> if links is not installed do sudo apt-get install links
[09:05] <ciga> or try lynx
[09:06] <arrinmurr> kosh: w32codecs?
[09:07] <BigBadBen> yea, thats true I've never got 64bit mplayer to work with w32codecs. It does work through a 32bit chroot
[09:08] <pradeepto> wtf is gam_server?
[09:08] <pradeepto> why is it taking so much CPU time,
[09:09] <ciga> ii  gamin                0.1.5-0ubuntu1       File and directory monitoring system
[09:09] <noteventime> hmm
[09:09] <ciga> pradeepto: gam_server is part of gamin.
[09:09] <spintaro> k it finished installing the links package kosh
[09:10] <pradeepto> ciga: thanks but what have I done that has made it so mad?
[09:10] <pradeepto> why is my hdd being accessed so much?
[09:11] <ciga> pradeepto: what top says?
[09:11] <pradeepto> thats what top says?
[09:11] <_fabien> join #eucd.info
[09:11] <pradeepto> gam_server tops the class :P
[09:12] <ciga> nothing else?
[09:13] <pradeepto> ciga: well there are others like konversation,xorg,init,kwin,konq et al
[09:13] <pradeepto> ciga: but gam_server is always at top
[09:14] <ciga> where getXuser should be? In what package?
[09:14] <pradeepto> ciga: 9.6% CPU almost consistent and 60% Mem
[09:14] <ciga> pradeepto: I can't tell you. maybe try to restart the daemon if you don't search or do any hard file activity.
[09:17] <robotgeek> pradeepto: memory is quite alrite, why not use it if you have it :)
[09:17] <pradeepto> ciga: thanks anyways
[09:17] <ice> tying to get krfb to run but I keep getting the error :: Cannot find KlnetD The KDE daemon (kded) may have crashed or has not yet been started
[09:17] <ice> I get to get remote connection from my windows box to my nix box
[09:17] <pradeepto> robotgeek: interesting point, I will pray for your memorys well being from now onwards :P
[09:18] <pradeepto> robotgeek: btw the hdd is spinning like never before
[09:18] <robotgeek> pradeepto: maybe change the spindown time
[09:19] <spintaro> i need help installing video divers without using a gui
[09:19] <robotgeek> spintaro: which one? ati/nvdia?
[09:20] <spintaro> nvdia
[09:20] <robotgeek> !nvdia
[09:20] <ubotu> robotgeek: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:20] <robotgeek> !nvidia
[09:20] <ubotu> somebody said nvidia was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[09:20] <spintaro> !nvidia
[09:21] <robotgeek> pradeepto: what programs are running?
[09:22] <pradeepto> robotgeek: konsole, konversation, konq, kopete (not chatting right now)
[09:23] <pradeepto> robotgeek: laptop on power right now , if that is of use.
[09:23] <robotgeek> pradeepto: weird, amarok is not indexing is it?
[09:23] <pradeepto> robotgeek: amarok is not running
[09:24] <robotgeek> pradeepto: i am unsure, sorry
[09:25] <pradeepto> np
[09:25] <raphink> :D
[09:25] <noteventime> ncie
[09:25] <noteventime> nice
[09:25] <ice> Fatal ! DECOP communcation problem
[09:25] <trappist> pradeepto: I had that problem
[09:25] <ice> hmm
[09:25] <pradeepto> trappist: and then?
[09:25] <ice> what is wrong with the DCOP server ?
[09:25] <pradeepto> trappist: how did you solve it?
[09:26] <trappist> pradeepto: I "fixed" it thusly: while true; do killall gam_server;done  <-- let that run for a while, ctrl-c, and whatever was respawning it had given up, I guess
[09:26] <noteventime> Need to get 36.4MB of archives.
[09:26] <noteventime> After unpacking 860kB of additional disk space will be used
[09:27] <noteventime> :D, that download always looks so overkill
[09:28] <pradeepto> trappist: thanks is there no *proper* solution? Why is that happening in first place?
[09:28] <trappist> pradeepto: sure wish I knew what caused it, though, so I could file a useful bug report
[09:28] <trappist> pradeepto: no idea!  something is respawning gam_server, but I can't tell what
[09:28] <ciga> pradeepto: maybe you can ty lsof | grep gam_
[09:29] <ciga> ty is try. :)
[09:30] <pradeepto> hello?
[09:30] <pradeepto> killall gam_server :)
[09:31] <radhios> Hi!!! anybody know where I can found this library?? libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[09:31] <pradeepto> ciga: that did give some results
[09:31] <noteventime> libc++6
[09:31] <noteventime> libc6
[09:32] <noteventime> libstdc++6
[09:32] <ciga> pradeepto: those files are opened by gam_server
[09:32] <noteventime> ^-- this one
[09:32] <ciga> pradeepto: maybe it leads you somewhere.
[09:33] <pradeepto> ciga: its behaving well now. It did get started again after I killed it
[09:34] <radhios> I have instaled libc6.0 but a program DBDesigner try to reach this one!
[09:35] <ciga> pradeepto: maybe you hided its favorite toy.
[09:35] <pradeepto> ciga: might be, but I can see its eating more memory slowly
[09:37] <ciga>  9261 ciga      15   0  3700 2116  860 S  0.7  0.2   8:10.20 gam_server
[09:42] <ciga> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'getXuser' returned no results.
[09:42] <pradeepto> 15223 pradeept  15   0 47128  44m  888 S  9.3  8.9   1:16.81 gam_server
[09:43] <ciga> interesting.
[09:48] <niels_> For some reason adept won't start anymore... what could be wrong?
[09:48] <Teknoenie> does anyone know of any MS Word password recovery tools for Ubuntu/Linux?
[09:49] <ciga> niels_: try to start adept from konsole/xterm
[09:50] <pparker> hi
[09:50] <niels_> ciga: Hmm... that works.
[09:50] <niels_> ciga: weird
[09:51] <pparker> i've installed amarok 1.4b2 on dapper and it cannot play mp3s !
[09:51] <niels_> But during startup, it said "adept: ERROR: Communication problem with adept, it probably crashed."
[09:51] <pparker> but i can play oggs or wma :(
[09:52] <niels_> pparker: You need to install support for restricted medias.
[09:52] <DHGE> Teknoenie: http://www.google.com/search?q=word+password+linux
[09:52] <niels_> pparker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:52] <pparker> it was working before using gstreamer engine
[09:53] <pparker> now it has switched to xine engine for playback
[09:54] <DHGE> pparker: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=mp3+ubuntu   ---  FIRST hit
[09:56] <pparker> DHGE:  i gave a try with kaffeine and it plays perfectly mp3s
[09:56] <pparker> so it's only an amarok related problem
[09:56] <pparker> i'm testing 1.4beta2
[09:58] <niels_> What is Skim (scim input plugin)?
[10:00] <niels_> Most times I use apt-get it tells me to insert the install cdrom disc... why is that?
[10:01] <niels_> Maybe I have a cdrom repository?
[10:01] <cyberix> I installed Kubuntu to my Ubuntu because I wanted to try KDE. Can I get the normal Ubuntu usplash image back?
[10:01] <ciga> niels_: check /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:01] <niels_> ciga: thanks
[10:02] <ciga> niels_: there must be a line with deb cdrom
[10:03] <ciga> niels_: welcome
[10:06] <rideout> cyberix: sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[10:06] <stefi> hello 2 all
[10:06] <stefi> does anybody have a few minutes for me?
[10:10] <morzel> hy
[10:11] <morzel> how can I check my kde's version number?
[10:11] <ciga> kde-config --version
[10:12] <cyberix> rideout: Thanks
[10:12] <morzel> ok
[10:12] <morzel> i will check
[10:13] <morzel> it works. thanks ciga
[10:14] <ciga> morzel: nope
[10:16] <weedar> Anyone want to reccommend an easy application to record sound with? (I'm using a USB microphone)
[10:18] <Teknoenie> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:18] <Teknoenie>   k3b: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.1-2) but 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu10 is to be installed
[10:18] <Teknoenie>        Depends: libk3b2 but it is not going to be installed
[10:18] <Teknoenie> k3b is still broken on dapper i see
[10:18] <rideout> weedar: audacity is great, the basics are simple to use, but it has many advanced features too
[10:19] <weedar> rideout, excellent! I remembered using a program earlier but couldn't remember it's name. audacity was it! :)
[10:19] <robotgeek> Teknoenie: i use it on dapper
[10:19] <cycus_zwisus> audacity is gtk1 :(
[10:20] <weedar> cycus_zwisus, what does that mean?
[10:20] <cycus_zwisus> gtk1 apps look ugly beacuse there's no font antialiasing
[10:20] <rideout> weedar: it means the graphics aren't the coolest, but so what
[10:20] <rideout> it is an audio app, looks aren't so important
[10:21] <weedar> I was going to say the same thing =)
[10:21] <ryanakca> I made the mistake of going "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop".... how do I remove ubuntu/gnome?
[10:21] <robotgeek> ryanakca: look for debfoster.
[10:22] <robotgeek> ryanakca: or http://robotgeek.org/wiki/ShellScripts/CleanPackage
[10:23] <cycus_zwisus> but installing a font which looks nice wothout antialiasing is a remedy
[10:23] <rideout> weedar: in audacity check out menu Effect->Noise Removal. It will be able to get rid of the natural ambient sound of the room making you recording sound much more professional, no white noise
[10:23] <cycus_zwisus> like tahoma for instance :P
[10:25] <spiritz> I'm running latest kde from ubuntu ; it seems that my ioslave daap:/ does not work, is it working for u?
[10:26] <cycus_zwisus> is it true that dapper will be released 6 weeks later than previously scheduled?
[10:26] <spiritz> cycus_zwisus: yes
[10:26] <weedar> rideout, I'll try it for sure. But I'm mainly using it to try to find out which way I can sing when playing the guitar to sound least horrible :)
[10:27] <ryanakca> robotgeek: thanks :)
[10:30] <pradeepto> laters bye
[10:33] <ryanakca> hmmm... is there an english version of EasyKubuntu for dapper?
[10:35] <cycus_zwisus> i wonder what new features are gonna be included in dapper, switching from hoary to breezy i didn't notice any revolutionary changes
[10:35] <cycus_zwisus> maybe because i use kubuntu not ubuntu?
[10:39] <cycus_zwisus> i think ubuntu is betters supported, all cool features require gnome
[10:39] <ryanakca> Nah...
[10:40] <cycus_zwisus> kubuntu is a bit neglected
[10:40] <ryanakca> hmmm... I get an error when ./configure runs...  it says it can't find x includes... what package provides those?
[10:41] <cycus_zwisus> i had the same error
[10:42] <ryanakca> cycus_zwisus: kubuntu is not neglected at all...
[10:42] <cycus_zwisus> but i don't remember which package (or actually the lack of which) was responsible for this
[10:43] <_mindspin> what are you trying to do?
[10:43] <ryanakca> _mindspin: I'm trying to install kbfx... I'm following this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76746
[10:45] <_mindspin> what are you running dapper or breezy?
[10:45] <ryanakca> _mindspin: dapper
[10:46] <_mindspin> that will be the reason why its not working correctly
[10:47] <ryanakca> _mindspin: if I compile from source... why wouldn't it work?
[10:48] <_mindspin> different librarys I guess
[10:48] <ryanakca> eh hunh.... can't you have more than 1 version of the same library installed at the same time?
[10:52] <nico> hi
[10:52] <ryanakca> _mindspin: hmmm... X includes are provided by libxaw-headers, libxaw6* and libxaw7*
[10:52] <_mindspin> hehe
[10:52] <ryanakca> now all I need is libz :)
[10:53] <_mindspin> you may run into other unmet dependencies
[10:53] <ryanakca> such as libz :)... now I need to sort threw a list of 30 or so results for apt-cache search :)
[10:54] <_mindspin> !dapper
[10:54] <ubotu> The next release of Ubuntu is Dapper Drake - /join #ubuntu+1 for discussion
[10:54] <_mindspin> hehe, the "dont run it because it may break youer system " is removed
[10:55] <_mindspin> but maybe youll find help in #ubuntu+1
[10:56] <ryanakca> _mindspin: I thought that the "dont run it because it might break your system" was for xgl... meh... xgl broke my old system...
[10:57] <_mindspin> haha
[10:57] <nico8481> rrah... where is the app that allow you to switch your keyboard layout? can't find it it the main menu... :-/
[10:57] <_mindspin> dapper kubuntu is not stable you'll better wait, unless you have fun playing around...
[10:58] <ryanakca> _mindspin: I've been on dapper for the past month :) It isn't that bad... I've enjoyed filing an odd gagigamillion bugs...
[10:59] <ryanakca> _mindspin: ok... maybe I'm exagerating... I've only filed 3 XD
[10:59] <_mindspin> its good if you file bugs
[11:00] <ryanakca> _mindspin: I know
[11:03] <weedar> Darn audacity doesn't work with usb microhpones
[11:04] <rideout> nico8481: system settings ->regional & accesibility ->keyboard layout -> tab switching option -> show country flad, this will put an icon in the system try
[11:04] <rideout> s/try/tray
[11:05] <Teknoenie> robotgeek: did you already have it installed before upgrading to dapper
[11:06] <nico8481> rideout: thanks
[11:06] <kvarntun> i need help with my webcam, anyone?
[11:06] <spiritz> is anyone around that could give me an hand; I'd like to compare avahi-discover ouput of someone else that has two network interfaces running?
[11:06] <nico8481> rideout: any idea how to set a keyboard shortcut for switching?
[11:07] <Mitja> Where is the current session saved?
[11:08] <kvarntun> do anyone know if theres any drivers to Creative webcams to linux?
[11:09] <spiritz> kvarntun: mine works fine
[11:09] <kvarntun> what cam do you have?
[11:09] <spiritz> kvarntun: I'm using the default driver supplied by ubuntu; actually I did not install anything
[11:09] <spiritz> hm I think it's creative pro ex
[11:10] <kvarntun> okey, i have a Creative vista plus and i have tryed to get it to work in Kopete but i think its the drivers that fucks around:/
[11:10] <spiritz> are u able to see ur preview?
[11:11] <kvarntun> nja,, what program do u use?
[11:11] <spiritz> in kopete's settings u can see the preview I think
[11:12] <spiritz> any I can't do webcam with kopete, however I can with amsn
[11:12] <spiritz> or ekiga
[11:12] <spiritz> any=anyway
[11:13] <kvarntun> wtf the first program i tryed was Amsn but i didnt get the webcam function to start at all:/
[11:13] <kvarntun> do u use version 0.95?
[11:13] <spiritz> no
[11:13] <spiritz> .96b
[11:14] <kvarntun> alright, i will try that one now
[11:15] <spiritz> but u should try using a simple software to make sure ur webcam is at least working
[11:15] <Tsukihime> can anyone tell me how can i know what java version i got installed?? =O
[11:15] <kvarntun> i didnt find it in apt-search
[11:15] <spiritz> kvarntun: true, I installed it from sources
[11:16] <kvarntun> compilied by u self?
[11:16] <spiritz> yes I think
[11:16] <kvarntun> hehe im to noob for that i think
[11:16] <spiritz> check amsn website, there's maybe a tutorial
[11:17] <rideout> nico8481 alt+ctrl+k is the default to switch layouts
[11:17] <hugelmopf> Tsukihime: java --version maybe?
[11:17] <spiritz> kvarntun: install camorama, it will check ur webcam
[11:18] <Tsukihime> hugelmopf: it says cannot find command java maybe i dont got it installed >_>
[11:18] <nico8481> rideout: thanks but it only works one (since the k is mapped to something else in my second layout I guess)... how can i modify the shortcuts? is it in "Xkb options"?
[11:18] <rideout> nico8481 go to keyboard shortcuts in regional & accessibility to change it, it should be in there somewhere, beware there might be trouble if the map changes the keys you use
[11:18] <kvarntun> spiritz, okey
[11:19] <kvarntun> could not connect video device spiritz ..
[11:19] <agalavis> just to know, which version should i download for a latop using the intel dual core proceessor?
[11:19] <spiritz> so your webcam is not working :)
[11:19] <ixiion> when i use kaffeine with my DVB-S card ist uses 95% and my system get extremely slow usally it used only about 28%
[11:19] <kvarntun> no
[11:19] <spiritz> agalavis: i386 or i686
[11:19] <agalavis> one for 64 bits?
[11:19] <spiritz> no
[11:19] <kvarntun> spiritz, then i need drivers:/
[11:20] <agalavis> thanks
[11:20] <spiritz> kvarntun: check ubuntuforums.org, there's some kind of auto script that install webcam drivers
[11:20] <nico8481> rideout: ok, found it. thanks
[11:20] <kvarntun> okey, what country are u from btw?
[11:20] <spiritz> fr, living in india
[11:20] <kvarntun> okey
[11:20] <spiritz> what about u?
[11:20] <rideout> nico8481: you might want to try "input actions" too, you can set an action to make a dcop call to chang the keyboard map. you could use anything to trigger it, like  mouse gesture
[11:21] <kvarntun> Sweden =) cold as ice
[11:21] <psycho_oreos> but nice connections
[11:21] <spiritz> :) here it's about to be hot as hell ;)
[11:21] <kvarntun> psycho_oreos, yes it is;) 1gbit in some places now..
[11:21] <kvarntun> spiritz, rater to hot then to cold
[11:21] <psycho_oreos> kvarntun: that is something I could never complain :)
[11:21] <spiritz> 1bg to the internet? :o
[11:21] <weedar> Can anyone reccommend a program to record sound with that supports USB microphones?
[11:22] <kvarntun> yes to the internet
[11:22] <spiritz> omg
[11:22] <kvarntun> quite nice
[11:22] <spiritz> so how is P2P doing in your country?
[11:22] <nico8481> rideout: uuuuh... not sure i get what it means but thanks :)
[11:22] <psycho_oreos> not even the connection I'm on can satisfy you Swedish people ;)
[11:23] <kvarntun> haha, its doing fine but very much complaigning about piracy
[11:23] <kvarntun> or
[11:23] <spiritz> lol
[11:23] <kvarntun> haha
[11:23] <kvarntun> answerd little funny there
[11:23] <kvarntun> whats the time in india?
[11:23] <kvarntun> im tired>_<
[11:23] <spiritz> 03:53
[11:23] <weedar> How can you ask how P2P is doing in Sweden, The Pirate Bay is situated there
[11:24] <weedar> There even was an articel in wired about it =)
[11:24] <kvarntun> weedar, it sucks
[11:24] <kvarntun> piratebay
[11:24] <spiritz> and I'm paying a crappy 64k internet connexion 14!
[11:24] <kvarntun> haha
[11:24] <spiritz> weedar: I don't like the pirate bay that much actually
[11:24] <weedar> It is the biggest bittorrent site on the planet though kvarntun
[11:24] <psycho_oreos> spiritz: better that than having to share that sort of connection amongst 9 other people :)
[11:25] <kvarntun> weedar, yes biggest, but not fastest
[11:25] <rideout> nico8481: kde has an advanced way to create "actions" or macros or whatever you call it. There are many ways to trigger these. I have one set for firefox, that knows when i am in a firefox window to map the escape key, to ctrl+w to close a tab, it also know to send the right key when i am in hebrew keyboard mode.
[11:25] <kvarntun> in Sweden we have big connections and want to use them well
[11:25] <spiritz> psycho_oreos: wow.... I bet you love doing dist-upgrades ;)
[11:25] <kvarntun> ;)
[11:26] <spiritz> kvarntun: do you have VOIP and on VIDEO ON DEMAND etc very developed?
[11:26] <psycho_oreos> spiritz: oh well I sure do! and because I mess around with ubuntu so much that it creates the need to reinstall, so I have alot of fun chewing up the remaining bandwidth hoping no other people out of the 9 people connected will start using their little download managers to steal the bandwidth :)
[11:26] <weedar> kvarntun, you don't have any sympathy from me. I'm stuck using the slowest ADSL line available at the moment, via wireless, because the ISPs around here don't have more capacity
[11:27] <kvarntun> hmm.. i dont understand, very developed?
[11:27] <spiritz> psycho_oreos:  :D
[11:27] <kvarntun> weedar, where do you live? africa?
[11:27] <weedar> kvarntun, Norway :(
[11:27] <psycho_oreos> weedar: better that than where I'm at, they try and make you pay more money by either limiting how much you can download/upload in a month, and/or speed connections
[11:28] <spiritz> kvarntun: I mean is everyone doing VOIP and VIDEO ON DEMAND thru their internet connections?
[11:28] <weedar> psycho_oreos, true - that _is_ worse. But not by much
[11:28] <karpet> hello?
[11:28] <psycho_oreos> weedar: I consider it the worst out of any other forms of limiting connections
[11:28] <weedar> I mean, I was used to at least having a 4Mbit line and now...I feel like one of the common-folk over in the colonies (USA)
[11:29] <kvarntun> spiritz, nja, very much young people use MSN and voice/cam function but not to much..
[11:29] <slovin> I just finished installing Kubuntu.. brilliant. I've been using SUSE since 2000 and never tried anything else.
[11:29] <kvarntun> weedar, norway:D not far from here
[11:29] <psycho_oreos> weedar: if you download/upload a fair bit, you would instantly feel the pain
[11:29] <Chodder> weedar, Cox cable offers 15mb down stream now :)
[11:30] <weedar> Chodder, could you ask them to lay down some cables in the direction of Trondheim, Norway for me? =)
[11:30] <slovin> Though I'm missing YaST2, the most important tool ever.
[11:30] <Chodder> Hehe
[11:30] <karpet> Would someone be able to answer a quick question or show me where some documentation to the answer would be?
[11:30] <kvarntun> spiritz, 1 gbit costs about 90 euro in sweden
[11:30] <kvarntun> :D
[11:30] <Chodder> .!.
[11:30] <weedar> psycho_oreos, I'd definetly feel it fast, I download alot of free music, unix-stuff, etc.. But can I assume there is little competition between ISPs where you live? I mean, since they're able to have such horrendous limits?
[11:31] <ixiion> 1gb in both direction ?
[11:31] <spiritz> kvarntun: you better have a good return on investment for such a price!
[11:31] <kvarntun> ixiion, yes
[11:31] <psycho_oreos> and for the connection that you would typically pay on broadband. Say a 60GB/month cap, that could literally give you the same sort of connection from bredbandsbolaget.se's 100Mbit connection at around the same pricing
[11:31] <Chodder> i would pay 90 euro for that speed
[11:31] <psycho_oreos> weedar: Australia -_-
[11:31] <Chodder> I download at least a couple hundred gigs in a month
[11:31] <ixiion> kvarntun: st it a flatrate ?
[11:31] <kvarntun> Chodder, haha =) where do u come from?
[11:32] <ixiion> a REAL flatrate ?
[11:32] <Chodder> US, I have 15mb down
[11:32] <weedar> I'm somewhat glad I don't have a 1Gbit line, my girlfriend would so dump me :(
[11:32] <kvarntun> ixiion, flatrate?
[11:32] <kvarntun> Chodder, okey
[11:32] <spiritz> Fr, 20mb down is 30
[11:32] <psycho_oreos> lol weedar
[11:32] <ixiion> dont know flatrate ?
[11:32] <Chodder> 1gbit= me buying new hard drives every week
[11:33] <kvarntun> weedar, get 1gbit and u get 1000000 girls in .JPG format;)
[11:33] <weedar> rofl @ kvarntun :D
[11:33] <kvarntun> ixiion, no?
[11:33] <kvarntun> weedar, haha
[11:33] <weedar> real girls are softer
[11:33] <kvarntun> weedar, real girls costs and complaigns
[11:33] <robotgeek> please keep in ontopic
[11:33] <psycho_oreos> 1Gbit = me spending more than a million dollars in a month, that does not include how much I download/upload too.
[11:33] <spiritz> is there a download/upload limit for such connection?
[11:34] <Chodder> Most servers can't even supply me with 15mb down anyway
[11:34] <Chodder> I only get 15mb down from Astraweb and M$
[11:34] <kvarntun> 1 gbit in sweden costs 90 euro in month and then u can do what u want, download as much as u want but it is illegal:D
[11:34] <psycho_oreos> spiritz: you wouldn't be surprised, but anyway I'm gonna start putting this topic to OT :)
[11:34] <ixiion> it is illegal to make traffic ?
[11:35] <weedar> Trying to set up my kubuntu box to use eth0 to connect to the internet via a debian box. If we can assume that iptables is set up correctly is there any reason why a ping wouldn't result in a ping reply?
[11:35] <kvarntun> ixiion, its illegal to download things that costs, such as dvd:s , music, programs that not is freeware..
[11:36] <ixiion> okay i understand
[11:36] <kvarntun> but no one cares about the law, 2 people have been to court for such things in Sweden ever..
[11:36] <psycho_oreos> fyi all offtopic discussions should head to --> #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[11:36] <kvarntun> okey
[11:37] <kvarntun> stop asks things about sweden and our internet now:P
[11:37] <ixiion> so any idea about my "kaffeine dvb-s uses all my prozessor power " problem =
[11:37] <psycho_oreos> no lol :) will ask you in the other channel :D
[11:38] <kvarntun> psycho_oreos, send pm here instead
[11:38] <psycho_oreos> lol
[11:38] <kvarntun> haha
[11:38] <kvarntun> w8
[11:39] <jomppa> hmm.. i just installed breezy but... the machine boots well but when kdm starts, it hangs immediately when i press any key on the keyboard..
[11:39] <nico8481> is it possible to import your evolution mailbox into kmail ?
[11:42] <ryanakca> I know this has nothing to do with kubuntu, but Is pop.gmail.com down? I keep getting errors when trying to connect to it in thunderbird...
[11:42] <robotgeek> ryanakca: me too, i can't telnet in also
[11:43] <robotgeek> ryanakca: i am using kmail, so the issue is probably with gmail :)
[11:43] <ryanakca> aye.. I thought it might be thunderbird... Hope it comes back... I want to test the enigmail function/plugin for thunderbird :)
[11:43] <ryanakca> (gnupg/pgp support for thunderbird)
[11:44] <ryanakca> heeeheee.. I leave for 4 days, and I comeback to 176 upgradable packages...
[11:44] <kvarntun> spiritz, are u there?
[11:44] <theCore> hello
[11:47] <theCore> I'm new to KDE, I would to know what are your favourite apps. Then write a wiki page about it, so the new kubuntu user know what are standards in their new environment
[11:47] <theCore> are the*
[11:47] <benkong2> is there no kubuntu flight 5?
[11:48] <crimsun> not yet
[11:48] <Chodder> ya there is
[11:48] <Chodder> Well I saw a link to it at least
[11:49] <Random_Transit> hey, how do i uninstall old kernels?
[11:49] <benkong2> ok hmmm... maybe that's why my flight 5 broke on ubuntu. I did an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop now my network doesn't work
[11:49] <Chodder> heh, well the link on ubuntu's site for kubuntu flight 5 doesn't work
[11:50] <Chodder> I just used kubuntu flight 4 and used ubuntu sources and updated
[11:51] <benkong2> where are kubuntu flight 4 iso's?
[11:51] <Chodder> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/
[11:51] <benkong2> Chodder: thqanks
[11:52] <Chodder> np
[12:01] <jomppa> hmm.. i just installed breezy but... the machine boots well but when kdm starts, it hangs immediately when i press any key on the keyboard..
[12:02] <ateves> hi, i have installed the w32codecs package without errors, but kaffeine still doesn't play wmv files
[12:02] <Red_Herring> get kaffiene-xine
[12:02] <ateves> ok
[12:02] <Blissex> jomppa: thats sort of unlucky and seems to point to some problems with the X server.