[07:05] <amitk> CarlFK: one thing you could do it install the kerneloops package so that oopses are reported upstream and to LP
[11:35] <rc55> Hi - I've just updated to the 2.6.27-generic kernel on Intrepid and it's broken Realtek 8139/810x Wired Ethernet access - it's quite severe - there is a bug reported but I think it might be severe enough to pull the update
[11:38] <rc55> Is there anything I can do to assist you guys here with it?
[13:24] <darkknight> hey i am a newbie to kernel programming and bug fixing.....can anyone provide info as how to learn kernel programming as soon as possible so that I can fix bugs
[13:27] <amitk> darkknight: kernelnewbies.org is a good site to start learning kernel programming
[13:28] <amitk> when you have gathered sufficient info, you can help by looking through https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux to see if any of the bugs can be reproduced on HW you own.
[14:01] <c64z0ttel> hello
[14:03] <c64z0ttel> i have some trouble with two nic's from realtek, one is on board, and i was not able to open a webpage
[14:03] <c64z0ttel> i am using ubuntu 8.10 64bit
[14:04] <c64z0ttel> i can ping, dns is also working, like ping www.google.com
[14:05] <c64z0ttel> udp is working, tested via nc external_ip 9999
[14:07] <c64z0ttel> but tcp is not, i read something about the broken driver for r8168/9, i changed the driver, like written everywhere
[14:07] <c64z0ttel> but it changed nothing
[14:08] <c64z0ttel> so i turned the internal nic off, and put a 8139too in the machine, but it changed nothing
[14:08] <c64z0ttel> so i am guessing, it has something to do with the kernel stack
[14:08] <c64z0ttel> suprisingly, i can connect to the apache running on my laptop
[15:55] <CarlFK> amitk-afk:  I installed kerneloops - rebooted, see the stackdump - what do I do next?
[16:27] <dfgas1> can anyone one help with me with a suspend to disk problem, kernel panic afterwards
[16:29] <Keybuk> rtg: ping?
[16:29] <rtg> Keybuk: pong
[16:30] <Keybuk> rtg: conf call 97682 10444
[16:30] <Keybuk> we're starting runtime power management early
[16:31] <rtg> Keybuk: why am I involved?
[16:31] <Keybuk> rtg: wireless, bluetooth radios, etc.
[16:31] <rtg> 'cause I didn't know about it.
[16:31] <rtg> I've a conf call at 11 with a Broadcom bluetooth guy. (30 minutes)
[16:32] <dfgas1> please any body
[16:33] <dfgas1> i can't boot off of live disk either
[16:38] <CarlFK> dfgas1: I know 0.0 about this... but here ya go:
[16:38] <CarlFK> (02:05:57 AM) amitk: CarlFK: one thing you could do it install the kerneloops package so that oopses are reported upstream and to LP
[16:42] <dfgas1> problem is i can't boot, both hard drive and live disk
[16:42] <dfgas1> i get a kernel panic
[16:43] <CarlFK> how did you suspend?
[16:47] <dfgas1> 8.10 did suspend to disk on shutdown
[16:47] <CarlFK> ah
[16:48] <dfgas1> i think i got opensuse booting from live disk
[16:48] <CarlFK> i wonder if the live cd is trying to resume?  (I would kinda hope not)
[16:48] <dfgas1> i think so
[16:48] <dfgas1> is there something i can delete
[16:49] <CarlFK> i think you want to zap the swap partition
[16:49] <CarlFK> mkswap - set up a Linux swap area;  mkswap [-c] [-vN] [-f] [-p PSZ] [-L label] [-U uuid] device [size]
[16:54] <dfgas1> well the opensuse dvd won't work either
[16:54] <dfgas1> i am booting the windows disk
[16:54] <dfgas1> not sure what i am going to do with that
[16:55] <CarlFK> format the swap partition nfts
[16:55] <elwood> hi
[16:56] <elwood>  i don't know how to get information for a bug report about ibex -15 kernel.
[16:58] <dfgas1> CarlFK: ughhh
[16:58] <dfgas1> error loading operating system
[16:58] <dfgas1> DARNIT
[16:58] <dfgas1> lol
[16:58] <dfgas1> try live disk now
[18:12] <Spoils> hiya... anyone home?
[18:32] <CarlFK> is there  a place I can browse vanilla kernel source?
[18:32] <CarlFK> I need the url for vivi.c - found it once.. cant find it now
[18:47] <abogani> CarlFK: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=summary?
[18:48] <CarlFK> abogani: i have been surfing around there... cant find vivi.c
[18:49] <CarlFK> I 'think' the main version is http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb/file/50e4cdc46320/linux/drivers/media/video/vivi.c
[18:49] <CarlFK> but that's probably a version ahead of what we are using
[18:51] <abogani> CarlFK: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=drivers/media/video/vivi.c;h=e15e48f04be7511e788b5022f413952d10d93bc7;hb=HEAD
[18:51] <CarlFK> bingo
[18:51] <CarlFK> thanks
[18:52] <CarlFK> blob?
[18:52] <rtg> this actually the version in Intrepid: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git;a=blob;f=drivers/media/video/vivi.c;h=8ba8daafd7ea2a3a2dff574b535a2908128b8d8b;hb=HEAD
[18:55] <CarlFK> awesome.  thanks
[19:02] <CarlFK> rtg: I grabbed both, and they are pretty different.  is there a .patch or something that might explain the diff?
[19:03] <rtg> CarlFK: '
[19:03] <rtg> CarlFK: 'git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git; git log drivers/media/video/vivi.c'
[19:04] <CarlFK> does that assume I have the repo locally?
[19:04] <rtg> thatswhat thje clone does
[19:04] <CarlFK> ah, and just that file...
[19:06] <CarlFK> um... Receiving objects:   6% (62931/970451), 22.74 MiB | 397 KiB/s
[19:07] <CarlFK> oh look at the ;
[20:42] <Keybuk> interesting XPS issue with 8.10
[20:42] <Keybuk> it keeps turning the fan on and off
[22:54] <score> is the generic kernel limited to 8 processors?


[08:08] <donglei> hello everyone, how to map right-alt to capslock key
[08:27] <exalt> Hello, is this the channel for ubuntu gnome edition ?
[16:01] <napnap> Hello all
[16:02] <hiren90> hi
[16:02] <napnap> One question Ubuntugnome use same repository than Ubuntu  ?
[16:02] <hiren90> i believe so, for the common apps
[16:03] <hiren90> and packages
[16:04] <napnap> mmm...so I don't understand why LTS is supported 3 years against 5. :-s
[16:05] <DASPRiD> napnap, because the gnome-specific packages won't be updated
[16:06] <napnap> DASPRiD, ok, so security update will run 5 years ?
[16:06] <napnap> (security of kernel and not gnome reated packages)
[16:06] <napnap> related*
[16:07] <DASPRiD> napnap, i think so, yes
[16:12] <hiren90> i heard and read from ubuntugnome.com that support is 3 years for ubuntu flavors such as ubuntu gnome. But the base ubuntu will get 5 years.
[16:15] <napnap> ok, but, if I choose  ubuntu then I install gnome-shell, I got 5 years for all... no ? or it make a difference ?
[16:16] <napnap> or simply is the same 5+3 but without knowing
[16:16] <napnap> not5+3 but 5(and 3 for gnome shell)
[16:17] <mgedmin> gnome-shell is in universe: Canonical doesn't support it
[16:17] <mgedmin> the ubuntu-gnome team will provide support for 3 years
[16:19] <napnap> mgedmin, oh right
[16:20] <napnap> thnaks for your answer !


[00:00] <grmls> hi
[00:00] <Riddell> hi
[00:04] <grmls> can you explain me the different between http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ and http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[00:22] <Riddell> grmls: they are different websites?
[00:23] <grmls> *gg*
[00:23] <grmls> what are the different between the isos on these websites
[00:24] <Riddell> cdimages.ubuntu.com has daily ISOs for testing, iso.qa.ubuntu.com has forms to fill in test reports from when you test those ISOs
[00:27] <grmls> hmm
[00:35] <grmls> how old are the ISOs from iso.qa.ubuntu.com?
[02:14] <grmls> gn8
[10:33] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: "Phonon5: Port to GTK+ " ?
[10:52] <KRF> anyone else experiencing graphical glitches in 12.04 (likely caused by nvidia drivers)?
[10:53] <KRF> getting weird artifacts like line edits with backgrounds / flickering when opening yakuake / etc.
[10:53] <KRF> line edits with *black* backgrounds even :)
[11:06] <KRF> well, fixed by rebooting.
[12:30] <Riddell> aww barry didn't upload a fix to telepathy-qt4, that'll be fiddly
[12:33] <debfx> what's wrong with it?
[12:34] <Riddell> debfx: I turned on the tests and they didn't pass in a buildd chroot
[12:34] <Riddell> debfx: so it needs some magic to add LD_LIBRARY_PATH or similar
[12:34] <Riddell> but it's cdbs and I seem to have forgotten all about how to use cdbs
[12:35] <Riddell> and I think the only way to test is uploading to a PPA which will take ages to get test results
[12:35] <debfx> seriously, cdbs?!
[12:35] <debfx> I was hoping we could get rid of cdbs in kubuntu packages ...
[12:36] <debfx> usually cmake manages to set rpath correctly during the build
[12:36] <Riddell> it's not well maintained in debian
[12:36] <debfx> oh
[12:37] <Riddell> it might be worth just changing it do dh9
[12:37] <Riddell> and debian might well pick it up from us when they get round to packaging telepathy-kde
[12:37] <debfx> unless cdbs thinks it's smart and disables rpath completely ...
[12:37] <Riddell> dunno, it builds locally but not in a buildd chroot
[12:38] <Riddell> but dh9 will have more of a chance to just do the right thing since it's more modern and maintained
[12:38] <debfx> yeah switching to dh has my full support :)
[12:39] <Riddell> ok maybe I'll just do that, or feel free to take it yourself if you've spare time
[13:17] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: why not? :)
[13:18] <apachelogger> KRF: glitches is not quite the right word, I cannot watch any prn because xv decided to cause crashes of X :(
[13:18] <KRF> apachelogger: reboot
[13:20] <mikecb_> new parental control drm in X
[13:20] <mikecb_> :)
[13:23] <apachelogger> outragous!
[13:28] <BluesKaj> 'Morning All
[13:28] <mikecb_> haha, I'm reading the gettinginvolved section on development, and at the end is Career:  1. Ninja, 2. Legend, 3. apachelogger
[13:29] <BluesKaj> hmm, no more DD or DTS passthru with pulseaudio
[13:45] <mikecb_> BluesKaj: since the 4.6 upgrade?
[13:46] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: because Qt is muuuuch better? :D
[13:48] <BluesKaj> mikecb_,  no , since yesterday , and I've been on 4.8 for a while
[13:50] <mikecb_> weird
[13:52] <BluesKaj> damn pulseaudio is like an addictive drug , the audio devs got lazy and became dependent on a halfbaked soundserver that works on most soundcards but with crappy audio that most pc audio masks anyway
[13:52] <BluesKaj> that's my rant for the day
[13:55] <BluesKaj> in order to avoid all the added distortion I use the digital passthru to feed the DAC in my amplifier , thereby avoiding pulseaudio's "effects",mbut now the passthru doesn't even do it's job...something is definitely amiss
[14:04] <mikecb_> I don't think pulse can do passthrough
[14:05] <BluesKaj> mikecb_,  it does,
[14:05] <mikecb_> nm
[14:05] <mikecb_> reading an old thing
[14:05] <BluesKaj> ask the guys at #pulseaudio
[14:07] <mikecb_> yeah, sorry, was reading an old setup guide
[14:10] <BluesKaj> mikecb_,  I've been using the passthru for 5mos or so . Previously I was using my onboard soundcard which didn't need pulse to play web/flashaudio . However, my new pci soundcard requires pulse to do so .
[14:10] <mikecb_> I hate when that happens
[14:11] <BluesKaj> alsa used to be enough
[14:11] <mikecb_> what maudio card is it?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> the audiophile 192
[14:16] <BluesKaj> anyway im just purged pulse..gonna reboot
[14:18] <Riddell> ScottK: the only comments I've seen from other teams on splitting pyqt is "not much to gain because QtCore and QtGui are the largest modules"
[14:18] <Riddell> which is accurate enough
[14:18] <koolhead11> hi yofel
[14:19] <koolhead11> hello Riddell
[14:19] <Riddell> hi koolhead11
[14:19] <Riddell> so what should I put in this weeks Kubuntu release team report?
[14:19] <Riddell> I might just point them towards my blog :)
[14:31] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.
[14:31] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:40] <mikecb_> riddell, good post.  It'll get people excited.  Maybe add what got in before the freeze?
[14:40] <Riddell> mikecb_: post to ubuntu-release list?
[14:41] <Riddell> or blog post?
[14:41] <mikecb_> blog post
[14:41] <Riddell> that is mostly what got in before feature freeze, another update for one of the betas would be a good idea
[14:41] <mikecb_> re: "what shouldI put in this weeks kubuntu rt report?"
[14:41] <mikecb_> yeah
[14:42] <mikecb_> the new stuff in phonon was also cool
[14:43] <Riddell> mikecb_: what's new in phonon (besides being 0.1 better)?
[14:45] <mikecb_> replacement of the whole pipeline, gapless playback, removal of 2k lines of code for the gstreamer backend, and vlc-2 support for the vlc backend
[14:45] <mikecb_> http://wm161.net/2011/08/01/mind-the-gap/
[14:46] <mikecb_> oops, wrong one: http://wm161.net/2012/02/16/phonon-gstreamer-4-6/
[14:46] <mikecb_> and the vlc supposedly got more stable
[14:49] <Riddell> ooh gapless playback works!
[14:49] <Riddell> nice
[14:52] <mikecb_> ooh, and digikam 2.6 right?
[14:53] <mikecb_> beta
[14:53] <Riddell> 2.5 we're going for, 2.6 is in beta
[14:54] <mikecb_> those guys move fast
[15:01] <mikecb_> for those who do a lot of c++ kde stuff, do you prefer kdevelop or qtcreator?
[15:03] <Riddell> mikecb_: emacs or kate :)
[15:03] <mikecb_> lol
[15:03] <Tm_T> nano or kate
[15:04] <Tm_T> don't know why, but I never learned out of nano ):
[15:04] <mikecb_> nano is where it's at
[15:04] <Riddell> nano for programming?  it's word wrap is way too limited
[15:04] <mikecb_> or ed
[15:04] <mikecb_> :D
[15:05] <Tm_T> Riddell: yeah, but that has never bitten me badly enough it seems
[15:05] <Tm_T> it's syntax hilight works well enough too
[15:06] <Tm_T> its too
[15:06] <mikecb_> nano has syntax hilighting?
[15:06] <Tm_T> yes?
[15:06] <mikecb_> wowzahs
[15:10] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.04.4-lts-release
[15:24] <Riddell> friendly words in #kubuntu 15:13 < designbybeck> kudos all KDE/Kubuntu developers and contributers! Thank you all!
[15:47] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: that is a myth a GTK+ dev told me :P
[15:48] <apachelogger> yofel: ping
[15:48] <apachelogger> mikecb_: pvlc  is not only more stable but also faster
[15:49] <apachelogger> the amount of classes got reduced by 50%
[15:49] <apachelogger> as 50% were utterly pointless abstracton
[15:49] <mikecb_> woot
[15:49] <apachelogger> back from when the backend was for both vlc and mplayer
[15:49] <apachelogger> (which is a utterly bogus idea to begin with)
[15:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: so mplayer backend is gone or just less functional than it could have been if it was well maintained?
[15:55] <apachelogger> well, it was never maintained by us, so I might not be the best person to comment
[15:55] <apachelogger> but I get the impression it is pretty non-functional
[16:01] <yofel> apachelogger: pong
[16:01] <apachelogger> yofel: did no one backport the krandr in startkde stuff to oneiric ppa?
[16:02] <yofel> hm? I believe I did
[16:02]  * yofel rechecks
[16:02] <apachelogger> Sput claims it is still there
[16:03] <BluesKaj>  mplayer seems ok here
[16:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: wasn't there a distro that used the mplayer backend?  like debian?
[16:04] <apachelogger> I dunno, there own fault then :P
[16:04] <apachelogger> the phonominals only support vlc and gstreamer
[16:04] <BluesKaj> altho it's my last resort mplayer is working , just no digital passthryu other than pcm
[16:04] <apachelogger> which was announced many times since new management took over :P
[16:05] <Sput> apachelogger: oneiric with the KDE backport stuff
[16:05] <BluesKaj> digital audio passthru that is
[16:05] <yofel> Sput: which kde-workspace version?
[16:06] <Sput> yofel: how do I figure that out? :)
[16:06] <yofel> 4:4.8.0b-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa2 doesn't have the broken patch
[16:06]  * Sput is an apt noob
[16:06] <yofel> Sput: apt-cache policy kde-workspace
[16:06] <yofel> kde-workspace-bin to be precise
[16:06] <Sput> Installed: 4:4.7.97-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1
[16:06] <Sput> oh.
[16:06] <Sput> why don't I have 4.8
[16:06] <yofel> you have the beta ppa enabled, not backports
[16:07] <yofel> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[16:07] <yofel> and update
[16:07] <Sput> ok, thx :)
[16:07] <Sput> I thought I had backports enabled... mmh.
[16:08] <Sput> hmm. indeed I have
[16:09] <apachelogger> with the oneiric pocket?
[16:09] <Sput> possibly
[16:10] <Sput> I'll just copy the beta file in sources.list.d and patch that, as add-apt-repository fails miserably behind a proxy
[16:10] <apachelogger> so it does
[16:10] <apachelogger> as does python in general :S
[16:12] <Sput> ok, that looks good
[16:12] <Sput> thx :)
[16:25] <Riddell> random e-mail du jour, launchpad help request http://paste.kde.org/424040/
[16:25] <Riddell> I don't even know the one lines answer on where to point him
[16:25] <Riddell> launchpad help wiki?
[16:28] <Riddell> Darkwing: happy birthday!
[16:29] <yofel> happy birthday Darkwing
[16:47] <Ezim> hi channel
[16:53] <shadeslayer> valorie: Did I mention they released booktype? http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/02/16/141235/booktype-an-open-source-cross-platform-approach-to-e-book-publishing
[16:53] <Riddell> what's that?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the newer version of the platform that we wrote our KDE Guide on
[16:54] <shadeslayer> *alot* smoother
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Improvements by the bucketload
[16:54] <shadeslayer> also, I'm on /. :P
[16:55]  * shadeslayer ponders what happened to his composting
[16:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that's not what the thing nightrose is using is?
[16:56] <shadeslayer> I don't think so, but I think it's a awesome platform
[16:56] <shadeslayer> I'm not sure what Nightrose is using for her book tho
[16:56] <Riddell> you might want to point her at it incase it's usefl
[16:56] <shadeslayer> Good idea, I think she already knows about it
[16:57] <Riddell> getting on slashdot is truely a sign you've made it in the geek world.  alas it's sometimes a bad sign
[16:58] <shadeslayer> bad sign? :O
[16:58]  * shadeslayer hopes not in this case
[17:02] <mikecb_> 3 gigs of ram required?
[17:03] <mikecb_> is that bc of the collaborative stuff?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> huh>
[17:06] <shadeslayer> s/>/?/
[17:06] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "huh?"
[17:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is there a lightdm kcm module shipped with the greeter?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:08] <shadeslayer> derp, there it is
[17:10] <bambee_> woo pgst 4.6 is packaged! <3
[17:35] <Ezim> hi guys I am trying on making package from source. If any one can help with som question plz write PM to me.
[17:35] <Ezim> this application does is not in our repo. maybe good to mention that.
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Ezim: Is it a package related to KDE?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> if so, you can discuss it here ...
[17:36] <Ezim> shadeslayer, yes .
[17:36] <Ezim> I have created debian-folder
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Ezim: you can just discuss the issue here
[17:37] <Ezim> now on debian/control I need to write Build-Depends
[17:37] <Ezim> there is already after creating debian-folder
[17:37] <Ezim> debhelper (>= 8.0.0), cmake
[17:38] <shadeslayer> right, and the problem is?
[17:38] <Ezim> should I try to build and se if it ask for me build-depends in debian/control?
[17:39] <shadeslayer> Ezim: those are the basic build depends for any KDE Package, you need to go through CMakeLists.txt to find out what else is required to build the package
[17:39] <Ezim> shadeslayer, thx. that was what I was searching for. thx.
[17:39] <shadeslayer> sure np :)
[17:41] <Ezim> shadeslayer, it is not clear to me which is needed.
[17:41] <shadeslayer> Ezim: pastebin the file somewhere :)
[17:41] <shadeslayer> I can guide you through what is needed
[17:42] <Ezim> shadeslayer, http://paste.kde.org/424106/
[17:43] <Ezim> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Cantata?content=147733  (trying to build this one)
[17:43] <shadeslayer> Ezim: lines 166 to 168, you need libqt4-dev
[17:43] <Ezim> package from repo and build new one is easy (most times).
[17:44] <Ezim> libqt4-dev <<--- that I know. also easyiso needed when i build it.
[17:44] <shadeslayer> FIND_PACKAGE( KDE4 ) << kdelibs5-dev should do the trick there
[17:44] <shadeslayer> line 199 : libtag1-dev
[17:44] <Ezim> shadeslayer, say to me how you know which one to pick?
[17:45] <shadeslayer> Ezim: it comes with practice :P
[17:45] <Ezim> :( that does not really help me to understand
[17:46] <shadeslayer> Ezim: okay, so do you want to know which dev headers to pick or how the variables are set?
[17:46] <Ezim> shadeslayer, first one I suppose?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> ah ok, so, lets take line 199
[17:47] <shadeslayer>     find_package(Taglib)
[17:47] <shadeslayer> that makes CMake search for Taglib, now in Ubuntu/Debian, most libraries are called libfooSOVERSION and development headers are libfoo-dev
[17:48] <shadeslayer> if you  do something like : apt-cache search libtaglib | grep dev , you get ... libtag1-dev
[17:48] <shadeslayer> no wait : apt-cache search libtag | grep dev
[17:48] <Ezim> :)
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Ezim: so it's a bit of trial and error
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Ezim: try line 246 for yourself
[17:52] <Ezim> shadeslayer, okey lets take one thing first then jump to other. okey? this is to much for newbie me :).
[17:52] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:53] <shadeslayer> Ezim: sure, what's the problem? :)
[17:53] <Ezim> from 166-168 how did you know it was libqt4-dev?
[17:54] <shadeslayer> "SET( QT_USE_QTNETWORK TRUE )" <- Uses Qt headers
[17:54] <shadeslayer> more specifically, the QtNetwork components
[17:54] <Ezim> shadeslayer, I see.
[17:54] <shadeslayer> sec
[17:54] <Ezim> shadeslayer, is it okey I copy/paste all the things you write now?
[17:54] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:55] <Ezim> good to read afterwards
[17:55] <shadeslayer> Ezim: http://qtnode.net/wiki/Qt4_with_cmake#cmake:_enable.2Fdisable_parts_of_the_qt_library
[17:57] <Ezim> shadeslayer, sorry but what exactly supposed this link tell me?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> Ezim: a brief explanation of the CMake vars that you can use to select certain parts of the Qt Library
[18:00] <Ezim> shadeslayer, let me see if I understand correctly. "QT_USE_QTNETWORK TRUE" line 166 I now they want libqt4-dev.
[18:00] <Ezim> correct?
[18:00] <shadeslayer> Ezim: nope, that's just saying, Use the QtNetwork component of Qt
[18:01] <shadeslayer> Ezim: line 171 says I need Qt to build
[18:01] <Ezim> shadeslayer, now I see.
[18:02] <Ezim> FIND_PACKAGE( KDE4 ) <<--- this always indicates on < kdelibs5-dev?
[18:04] <shadeslayer> Ezim: yes, you can also specify the exact version of KDE you want like : FIND_PACKAGE(KDE4 4.6.90 REQUIRED)
[18:04] <shadeslayer> where REQUIRED means you *have* to have KDE headers
[18:04] <Ezim> shadeslayer, danke sire.
[18:05] <Ezim> now let us see if I can find answer on find_package(Mtp)
[18:05] <shadeslayer> sure no problem :)
[18:05] <shadeslayer> I'm right here, feel free to ping
[18:05] <Ezim> shadeslayer, :) I will bing do not worry.
[18:08] <Ezim> shadeslayer, answer is: libmtp-dev  ?
[18:08] <shadeslayer> yep :)
[18:09] <Ezim> shadeslayer, apt-cache search mtp | grep dev  <<---- correct searching way or should I use muon?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> Ezim: apt-cache offers more flexibility as compared to Muon, but then it's completely your choice
[18:10] <shadeslayer> apt-cache allows me to pipe output to multiple grep's etc
[18:10] <Ezim> shadeslayer, okey boss.
[18:11] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[18:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: does yahoo work for you?
[18:11] <shadeslayer> erm, on KDE Telepathy I mea
[18:11] <shadeslayer> *mean
[18:12] <Ezim> libqt4-dev,  kdelibs5-dev, libtag1-dev and libmtp-dev are does that are needed?
[18:12] <Ezim> beside the default ones
[18:12] <shadeslayer> should do the trick
[18:13] <Ezim> shadeslayer, danke sir.
[18:17] <Ezim> shadeslayer, thx :) it worked.
[18:17] <shadeslayer> \o/
[18:19] <Ezim> shadeslayer, is most of the kde/qt apps cmake or qmake?
[18:19] <shadeslayer> mostly, yes
[18:19] <Ezim> hey HakanS :).
[18:19] <HakanS> Ezim: Hi.
[18:20] <Ezim> HakanS, :) you know who I am?
[18:20] <Ezim> changed my nick recently.
[18:22] <HakanS> Ezim: Yes. Kurdistan.
[18:49] <Ezim> HakanS, :) good.
[18:49] <Ezim> shadeslayer, :) read my PM comment.
[18:52] <debfx> shadeslayer: is anyone from telepathy-qt4 upstream on irc?
[18:53] <shadeslayer> debfx: yes, andrunko in #telepathy
[18:54] <debfx> thanks
[18:55] <shadeslayer> np :)
[18:59] <Ezim> shadeslayer, is there any good debian/(k)ubuntu way making patch with quilt?
[18:59] <Ezim> document or so.
[19:00] <shadeslayer> err ... maybe, lemme have a look
[19:01] <shadeslayer> Ezim: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/QuiltMagic
[19:03] <Ezim> shadeslayer, thx.
[19:13] <CIA-42> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* lib/plymouth/themes/kubuntu-logo/ (background.png kubuntu-logo.script) more wip
[19:15] <apachelogger> ohhhh the postal service
[19:15] <apachelogger> omnomnom
[19:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yo
[19:16] <shadeslayer> yo yo apachelogger
[19:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how does one make ktp autoconnect on startup?
[19:16]  * apachelogger appears to be too stupid to make that happen
[19:16] <shadeslayer> Good question, I can't seem to find such a option as well
[19:17] <apachelogger> uh, that is one big pita
[19:17] <shadeslayer> I'm guessing you add the presence plasmoid and set your presence to online when you start :P
[19:17] <apachelogger> that is flawed
[19:17] <apachelogger> what if I forget :S
[19:17] <apachelogger> which I do all the time
[19:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please be fixing :P
[19:17] <shadeslayer> but what if you forget to go offline?
[19:17] <apachelogger> or tell someone
[19:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'm not entirely sure if I want to be online as soon as I login
[19:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, there should be a tickbox 'always connect on login'
[19:18] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[19:18] <apachelogger> although
[19:18]  * shadeslayer was debugging why yahoo stoppped working
[19:18] <shadeslayer> -p
[19:18] <apachelogger> from a UX perspective restoring previous state woud be best :P
[19:18] <apachelogger> facebook is no worky for me
[19:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, there's this weird fb xmpp bug where I have to login into facebook to send messages
[19:18] <shadeslayer> happens on OS X for me as well
[19:18] <apachelogger> oh
[19:18] <apachelogger> now it works
[19:18] <apachelogger> curious
[19:18] <shadeslayer> not sure why
[19:19] <apachelogger> yesterday it was failing claiming there was a network error
[19:19] <shadeslayer> yeah, fb is weird
[19:19] <shadeslayer> this is what happens when you use proprietary chat systems :P
[19:20] <shadeslayer> and then release half baked wrapper interfaces around them
[19:20] <apachelogger> xmpp?
[19:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: xmpp is just a wrapper around facebook's own implementation afaik
[19:20] <shadeslayer> like what MSN did
[19:20] <shadeslayer> "purple/yahoo-CRITICAL **: Authentication error: Account locked: Too many failed login attempts.  Logging into the Yahoo! website may fix this.. Code 1213"
[19:21] <shadeslayer> :/
[19:21] <apachelogger> lp:~apachelogger/+junk/ksplash
[19:21] <Ezim> even if they are now using xmpp, linux chat client will not be able to have webcam chat.
[19:21] <apachelogger> who uses that anyway?
[19:22] <apachelogger> from what I heared their webcam stuff is utter fail
[19:22] <Ezim> apachelogger, :) people that uses msn?
[19:22] <apachelogger> even skype does better
 i want to install android rom for my toshiba tg01
[19:22] <apachelogger> curious question in a kubuntu channel ^^
[19:22] <Ezim> apachelogger, m$ is behind skype now. I think it will s-ck even more for us linux users.
[19:23] <shadeslayer> whut
[19:23] <apachelogger> google hangouts are the only real thing anyway
[19:23] <shadeslayer> touche
[19:23] <debfx> Riddell: telepathy-qt4 package is ready: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/telepathy-qt4_0.9.0+repack-0ubuntu3.debdiff
[19:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: microsof acquired skype like way back from ebay
[19:23] <apachelogger> 2 years ago I think
[19:23] <shadeslayer> from ebay? are you sure?
[19:23] <apachelogger> seems skype is still largely independent though
[19:23] <shadeslayer> I thought skype was independent from other orgs
[19:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: skype was acquired by ebay in like 2007 or so
[19:24] <shadeslayer> hmm ... never heard of that, was still in school and sweating about how to get into a Uni
[19:24] <apachelogger> as long as amarok can eat my cpu everyone is happy
[19:24]  * apachelogger shoots amarok
[19:25] <apachelogger> wow, crash on exit
[19:25] <apachelogger> I love those
[19:25] <shadeslayer> whee, yahoo working again
[19:25] <apachelogger> oh, akonadi also plays the cpu eating game?
[19:25] <apachelogger> do we have any software left that does not want to eat my cpu?
[19:26] <Ezim> :) clementine is the sh-t.
[19:27]  * apachelogger needs to buy a PC
[19:28] <apachelogger> and a new laptop
[19:28] <apachelogger> and new speakers
[19:28]  * apachelogger doesn't have monies for either :(
[19:29] <Ezim> apachelogger, :) there are kde user out there does not agree that akonadi eats cpu.
[19:29] <apachelogger> it usually doesn't
[19:30] <apachelogger> not sure what is wrong here
[19:30] <apachelogger> the system has been acting up all day
[19:30] <Ezim> apachelogger, for me akonadi/virtuso likes eating cpu.
[19:30] <apachelogger> the trick is to not use nepomuk :P
[19:30] <Ezim> apachelogger, exactly what I am doing now.
[19:31] <apachelogger> that bugger never worked for me, primarily because I have a gigantic home with all sorts of files
[19:31]  * apachelogger probably has a billion files in his home ^^
[19:31] <Ezim> apachelogger, I think there is lot of kde user that disables nepomuk.
[19:32] <bulldog98> apachelogger: try to exclude most of them for the indexing
[19:32] <apachelogger> bulldog98: nepomuk still has to do dir listing and whatnot
[19:32] <apachelogger> otherwise the exclusion wouldn't make sense
[19:32] <bulldog98> Ezim: I have it on
[19:32] <apachelogger> and doing that on my ~800 git repos + 300 bzr repos is a jolly bad idea
[19:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you spend all your GSoC moniez on booze again?
[19:33] <apachelogger> sheytan: \o/
[19:33] <apachelogger> sheytan: dude, we missed you
[19:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes :(
[19:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and coke
[19:33] <sheytan> apachelogger i hope so! :D
[19:34] <sheytan> brb, let me eat my lunch first ;)
[19:34] <apachelogger> awww :(
[19:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: more like cigarettes
[19:34] <apachelogger> sheytan: I hope you are feeling creative today, coz I has great things that need doing
[19:34] <apachelogger> first order of business: boot splash
[19:34] <shadeslayer> alright, I'm off to bed
[19:35] <Ezim> apachelogger, working on plymouth?
[19:35] <shadeslayer> nini
[19:35] <Ezim> bulldog98, not me. :)
[19:35] <shadeslayer> sheytan: btw remember that asci mockup I made?
[19:35] <shadeslayer> sheytan: muwhahaha : http://www.asciiflow.com/
[19:36] <apachelogger> oh my I think I need to restart
[19:36] <apachelogger> it is all falling apart
[19:36] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/16/plasma-desktopT12928.png
[19:36] <apachelogger> I'd need a kubuntu logo for that
[19:36] <bulldog98> Ezim: I find it very usefull to search for content
[19:37] <apachelogger> sheytan: I was thinking about something sunken relief ... i.e. shadows going in as if kubuntu was carved into the wallpaper
[19:37]  * apachelogger is rebooting now
[19:37] <Ezim> apachelogger, looks good but what is the difference from now?
[19:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Might I suggest just using the Kubuntu Icon and not the entire text?
[19:37] <Ezim> bulldog98, oki.
[19:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sure, if you tell me how in combo with aryia :P
[19:37] <shadeslayer> you don't really need to use aryia ;)
[19:38] <shadeslayer> just the logo, on a blue background
[19:38] <apachelogger> nah
[19:38] <shadeslayer> keep it simple, really
[19:38] <apachelogger> blue doesn't work no more
[19:38] <apachelogger> it looks like crap going from blue to aryia grey
[19:38] <shadeslayer> okay, something else, but just a simple gradient with the icon on it
[19:38] <apachelogger> screw gradients
[19:38] <apachelogger> this is not the 90s
[19:38] <shadeslayer> :(
[19:38] <apachelogger> for all I care I'd all give you a 50mib initrd :P
[19:39] <apachelogger> like mine
[19:39] <apachelogger> just to ensure that it looks sexxi
[19:39] <Ezim> not big fan of current ariya splash screen
[19:39] <apachelogger> now really reboot
[19:39] <shadeslayer> think of the CD Size!
[19:40] <yofel> if you use a gradient, then you'll need to throw ariya out of kdm
[19:40] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:40] <shadeslayer> get it-s and sheytan to design something awesome then :)
[19:40] <yofel> as it would be: gradient -> ariya -> fuzzy grey (ksplash) -> ariay
[19:40] <yofel> *ariya
[19:40] <yofel> that's horribly inconsistent
[19:41]  * yofel doesn't get why ksplash doesn't use ariya
[19:41] <Ezim> hi yofel :).
[19:41] <yofel> hi Ezim
[19:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: exams over? :D
[19:41] <yofel> yup :D
[19:42] <shadeslayer> Lets hash out some specs for the automation script tomorrow
[19:42] <yofel> ok
[19:43]  * shadeslayer goes off to sleep
[19:43] <shadeslayer> nini
[19:43] <shadeslayer> for real this time
[19:43] <yofel> gn
[19:44] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah, that is a bit curious
[19:45] <apachelogger> ... the ksplash not using ariya
[19:46] <apachelogger> also lp:~apachelogger/+junk/ksplash
[19:53] <bulldog98> apachelogger: as far as I see it is supposed to use it
[19:54] <apachelogger> maybe someone messed up then :P
[19:54] <yofel> likely me as I did the wallpaper and splash stuff back then
[20:00] <apachelogger> everything is possible
[20:03] <apachelogger> I think I am stupid or something
[20:03]  * apachelogger fails to find the theme in kde git
[20:03] <yofel> hm, everything is properly installed
[20:04] <yofel> apachelogger: git clone kde-workspace?
[20:04] <yofel> hm, has no ariya though o.O
[20:04] <apachelogger> that's what I am saying
[20:04] <yofel> oh
[20:04] <yofel> wait
[20:05] <yofel> apachelogger: for some reason it's in svn trunk/KDE/kde-base-artwork
[20:05] <apachelogger> ah
[20:05] <apachelogger> right
[20:06] <apachelogger> they forgot to take graphics into account when moving to git :P
[20:06] <apachelogger> yofel: does it have ariya though?
[20:07] <yofel> not particulary
[20:07] <yofel> at least it's a different background
[20:09] <yofel> hm, currently the splash is using ariya for me - I guess they switched that
[20:10]  * yofel was using that minimalistic qml one for a while
[20:11]  * apachelogger encodes video
[20:16] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/bootriya.ogv
[20:16] <apachelogger> opionon!!@#
[20:16] <apachelogger> now
[20:19] <mikecb> I like it
[20:19]  * yofel pummles kconfig
[20:20] <yofel> lovely
[20:21] <sheytan> apachelogger: i have a vision of  a clean screen, without gradiented background for plymouth
[20:21] <sheytan> i had a mockup somwhere even
[20:21] <sheytan> i will not do it today, have to do a baner for my work
[20:22] <apachelogger> sheytan: also didn't you have a new ubiquity design?
[20:22] <sheytan> but tomorrow is a good date i guess :)
[20:22] <sheytan> apachelogger: not really
[20:22] <apachelogger> sheytan: next week is ui freeze, if you get me something by then it is fine
[20:22] <yofel> apachelogger: did you adjust the colors for the text splash too?
[20:22] <apachelogger> yofel: yes, unless the update overwrote it
[20:22] <sheytan> apachelogger: i should get it done till sunday :)
[20:22] <apachelogger> perfect
[20:22] <yofel> awesomeness then :D
[20:22]  * apachelogger hugs sheytan
[20:23] <apachelogger> yofel: the plymouth code of our splash is still shady :P
[20:23] <apachelogger> really messy beast
[20:24] <sheytan> apachelogger: i can't find that mock, but as I said. I will do it tomorrow :)
[20:25] <apachelogger> okeydokey
[20:25] <apachelogger> ah
[20:25] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2011/03/instalator-kubuntu-pokaz-slajdow-mockup.html
[20:26] <sheytan> apachelogger: it's only for slideshow, not a ubiquity UI mockup :)_
[20:26] <apachelogger> yeah
[20:26] <apachelogger> also I am not sure how to implement that
[20:26] <sheytan> but if you want to push this to next release would be grat :)
[20:26] <apachelogger> we might just want to redo the installer partially in qml
[20:26] <apachelogger> so that be better done for precise+1
[20:27] <apachelogger> or at least the slideshow
[20:27] <apachelogger> as that is a completely separate part anyway
[20:27] <apachelogger> so potential for regression is minimal
[20:27] <sheytan> technical side belongs to you
[20:28] <apachelogger> yeah
[20:28] <sheytan> i know how to make the UI, you - the code :)
[20:28] <apachelogger> but also from the design side that is not very useful :P
[20:28] <apachelogger> i.e. what does the stage before the slideshow look like
[20:28] <mikecb> anyone worried that that statement isn't technically correct?  codec installation still isn't perfect
[20:28] <sheytan> as is now
[20:28] <apachelogger> sheytan: then the mockup does not match, does it?
[20:29] <apachelogger> http://www.linoob.com/wp-content/flagallery/kubuntu-installation/22-ubiquity-office.png
[20:29] <apachelogger> where would the slideshow go?
[20:29] <apachelogger> where it is now?
[20:30] <sheytan> apachelogger: first you see the ubiquity installer as is now, you set all the stuff. In the end you type your user name, pass etc. Then you click "next" or something. After that, every thing disappears and you see the slideshow with a progres bar, information about kubuntu, the icons, etc
[20:30]  * apachelogger fears then the carousel at the bottom would look a bit strange
[20:30] <sheytan> i will not :)
[20:30] <apachelogger> sheytan: but the progress bar is there beforehand :)
[20:31] <apachelogger> installation also starts before the slideshow
[20:31] <sheytan> that correct
[20:31] <apachelogger> so exchanging the entire ui at this point seems a bit weird to me
[20:31] <sheytan> stuff i made isin't to be putted into that small window (where the slideshow is now)
[20:31] <apachelogger> perhaps with some snazzy animation or something
[20:31] <apachelogger> sheytan: yeah, I understand
[20:31] <sheytan> so trust me :D
[20:31] <apachelogger> so we have x and we have y
[20:32] <apachelogger> and I have no idea how to get from x to y without looking weird ^^
[20:32] <apachelogger> oh, actually I have an idea
[20:32] <apachelogger> but that involves rewriting the entire installer in QML :P
[20:32] <apachelogger> also quite excessive animations
[20:33] <apachelogger> ... the entire x ui (installer) falling apart, only the parts we need remain (progress bar) and move to a new position whilist the slideshow appears
[20:33] <sheytan> can't you just get rid of that ubiquity window and go to full screen stuff instead?
[20:33] <apachelogger> that is quite a lot of work TBH
[20:33] <apachelogger> sheytan: get rid?
[20:33] <apachelogger> sheytan: ubiquity is full screen
[20:34] <apachelogger> the fake window frame is there for design reasons
[20:34] <sheytan> so the small window with all the information dissapears
[20:34] <apachelogger> like on a website you usually do not want full width etc
[20:34] <apachelogger> ... hard to read and theme
[20:34] <apachelogger> sheytan: well yes, but that looks crappy
[20:34] <apachelogger> sheytan: 'simply disappearing' involves creating a new window or simply swapping the ui
[20:35] <apachelogger> which will look like crap, I can tell you that much :)
[20:35] <sheytan> you can put invisible margins, i mean witout any fake windows
[20:35] <sheytan> well, so we left with rewriting everything in QML :D
[20:35] <apachelogger> that is what I Am saying
[20:36] <apachelogger> but even so we need some sane transition animation for that
[20:37]  * apachelogger wonders how youbuntoo does it
[20:37] <apachelogger> to the youtube
[20:37] <sheytan> i need to think bout that, but tomorrow :)
[20:38] <apachelogger> ubuntus ui is different to begin with
[20:39] <apachelogger> more page-like ... i.e. you work your way through the installer left to right
[20:39] <apachelogger> then you get a slideshow
[20:39] <apachelogger> which can also be navigated left to right
[20:39] <apachelogger> well
[20:40] <apachelogger> sheytan: I think this is definitely +1 material, also since we'd need to redo most of the stuff in qml anyway I guess we might as well redo the UI concept as a whole
[20:40] <apachelogger> man that will be a drag -.-
[20:40] <sheytan> challange accepted ;d
[20:41] <apachelogger> sheytan: meanwhile, perhaps you have a cool idea how to make the slideshow look less crappy http://www.linoob.com/wp-content/flagallery/kubuntu-installation/22-ubiquity-office.png
[20:41] <apachelogger> perhaps some frame around it and some shadow or something
[20:41] <apachelogger> again sunken-relief style, so it appears more integrated into the present fake-window
[20:42] <sheytan> remove the background
[20:42] <sheytan> please! :D
[20:42] <sheytan> no borders no shadows :)
[20:42] <sheytan> reflection to icons - ok
[20:42] <sheytan> no "blue arrows"
[20:42] <sheytan> use dots
[20:43] <sheytan> in listing
[20:44] <apachelogger> no background at all?
[20:44] <mikecb> how about slightly more contrasting shades of blue?
[20:44] <apachelogger> sheytan: we need some sort of background -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=snapshot17.png
[20:44] <apachelogger> otherwise it will look weird again
[20:45] <apachelogger> mikecb: where?
[20:45] <apachelogger> mikecb: font color?
[20:46] <sheytan> apachelogger: sure, use tha same background as you just showed me here, aling it in the top too
[20:46] <mikecb> the blues of the background, typewriter, icons, reflections, all very very close
[20:46] <mikecb> make things pop a little if they had a little more range
[20:46] <mikecb> just a thought
[20:47] <apachelogger> mikecb: that typewriter is ugly anyway IMHO ^^
[20:47] <apachelogger> colorwise
[20:47] <apachelogger> sheytan: that might work
[20:47] <mikecb> just a bit lol
[20:47] <sheytan> apachelogger: it has to ;d
[20:47] <apachelogger> not sure how trivial to do though
[20:48] <apachelogger> as I said, the slideshow is a separate component
[20:48] <apachelogger> oh well
[20:48] <apachelogger> I'll digg into it
[20:48] <apachelogger> sheytan: also I totally agree on getting rid of the arrows
[20:48] <apachelogger> they look really silly
[20:48]  * sheytan thinks he pointed that out already some time ago :)
[20:48] <apachelogger> oh mind me
[20:48] <apachelogger> I cannot actually write the code  I think ^^
[20:49] <apachelogger> ubiquity is under canonical copyright assignment shit
[20:50] <sheytan> lets fork it ;d
[20:50] <apachelogger> yeah ^^
[20:51] <mikecb> when in doubt
[20:51] <debfx> apachelogger: canonical doesn't require copyright assignment anymore
[20:52] <apachelogger> oh
[20:52] <apachelogger> cool
[20:52] <apachelogger> I can code freely again
[20:52] <apachelogger> <3
[20:56] <JackyAlcine> Where do I go to help out with the KDE Games suite on IRC?
[20:56]  * JackyAlcine wants to make a word search game.
[20:56] <JackyAlcine> Where do I go to help out with the KDE Games suite on IRC?
[21:01] <Ezim> debfx, what does that mean?
[21:03] <apachelogger> JackyAlcine: #kde-games
[21:03] <apachelogger> I guess
[21:03] <JackyAlcine> I took a wild guess :)
[21:07] <yofel> Ezim: see http://producingoss.com/en/copyright-assignment.html
[21:07] <Ezim> yofel, will read later. thx again.
[21:44]  * sheytan goes to  charge his batteris for tomorrow.
[21:44] <sheytan> night all :)
[23:06] <Ezim> shadeslayer, http://paste.kde.org/424334/ take look. I will soon give you dep. for it. see if I understand it :).
[23:14] <Ezim> kdelibs5-dev, libx11-dev, libkwinglesutils1, freeglut3-dev  correct?
[23:31] <Ezim> :) any one else can look if I have write.


[15:25] <Odd_Bloke> I think you can only change the kernel and initrd on PV instances, which haven't been supported for several generations of new instance type: HVM instances boot the image "normally", so the kernel/initrd in the image are used.
[18:08] <holmanb> @Odd_Bloke: Sure, but the point remains: user-data itself *is* priveledged. Saying that you "use userdata it to escalate priveledge" is nonsensical.
[18:09] <holmanb> Anything that is providing user-data *has* root, therefore anything that can be used to provide user-data to an instance must be treated as root. Exposure of the modify-instance attribute to an unpriveledged user would be the vulnerability - not anything about that user-data or cloud-init.
[18:19] <Odd_Bloke> Oh, yeah, sorry, it's not a vulnerability in cloud-init for sure.  But as kernels and initrd aren't relevant any longer, people may think that modify-instance-attribute is only used for modifying cloud metadata about them, rather than being a vector to gain privileges on the instance itself.
[18:29] <minimal> well there are scenarios like c-i used with NoCloud for physical machines where anyone with physical access could stick a CIDATA CD in the machine's drive without needing root access ;-)
[18:31]  * minimal walks past and inserts CD into coffee holder
[18:32]  * Odd_Bloke scratches out "for sure" in his previous message
[18:33] <minimal> or the case of NoCloud-Net with user-data being fetches via http/https from external URLs where someone without "root" access on VM but who could gain access to server hosting the user-data could use that to gain "root" access on VM
[18:34] <minimal> but that's basically a "self-inflicted" security hole if you decide to rely on external user-data without being able to secure that
[19:14] <minimal> pytest issues now? It's all fun-and-games recently...
[19:31] <meena> who can reopen https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1756 ?
[19:31] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1756 in canonical/cloud-init "Feature: Kernel Modules" [Closed]
[19:42] <minimal> there's a lot of distro-specific stuff in the PR
[19:44] <Odd_Bloke> I'm trying to think, has there ever been discussion of signed user-data?  For situations where people are building their own image, configuring cloud-init to require a valid signature on user-data and baking in a certificate could solve these issues (including the server one, assuming the server isn't where the signing happens).
[19:46] <minimal> Odd_Bloke: I guess the assumption is that for "Clouds" it is all handled securely by the Cloud Provider's infrastructure
[19:46] <minimal> obviously for non-Cloud hypervisors etc that's a different matter
[19:51] <Odd_Bloke> I think what I'm imagining is the layer above the cloud provider's infra.  Requiring signed user-data would mean that your image couldn't be passed arbitrary user-data on instance launch (or on modify-instance-attribute, more pertinently, haha), it'd have to be signed before putting it into the text box/API call/...
[19:53] <minimal> you'd then have the "problem" that you would need specific cloud images with the appropriate CA baked in....
[19:53] <Odd_Bloke> (.../CIDATA CD :p)
[19:56] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, hence my initial qualifier.  Though if it existed, I guess you could bootstrap it on first boot and gain protection against modify-instance-attribute and illicit CDs.
[20:00] <minimal> BTW I think the LXD DS is the only one that uses vsock to obtain metadata, user-data etc via an "out-of-band" connection to a hypervisor
[20:31] <holmanb> Odd_Bloke: signed user-data is a neat idea
[20:32] <holmanb> meena: done, thanks for the ping on that
[20:35] <minimal> blackbox: just checking that #4772 hasn't been forgotten about
[22:16] <blackboxsw> minimal: thanks for the ping. I'll get on that now. had a bit of lxd/incus  related issue to sort on my side to allow for better testing.  Also just push up  https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/issues/4814. Thanks for the bug
[22:16] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Issue 4814 in canonical/cloud-init "Schema error appears during boot regarding network v2 config with NoCloud" [Open]
[22:17] <blackboxsw> meena: I'll open up 1756 . Glad to see it'll get a bit of a push there to get across the line
[22:18] <blackboxsw> n/m brett is on that already
[23:22] <minimal> blackboxsw: ah, that's a good point - is there a plan to add incus support to cc_lxd? I'm currently packaging Incus for Alpine and was wondering about c-i support for it
[23:24] <blackboxsw> honestly, I'll try figuring out what the position is internally before we know for sure what expectations are there. I know there is work in progress to try to remedy some of the affect of licensing changes and image hosting, but I'm not certain yet which way the wind is blowing on that. It's a reasonable question that I can promise to get back to you on. as it's annoying at the moment to try playing with both clients
[23:25] <blackboxsw> good ask.


[03:31] <van7hu> hello, I've just finished installing LAMP in my server
[03:32] <van7hu> what I need to do next?
[03:34] <twb> van7hu: that rather depends what you want to achieve.
[03:35] <van7hu> twb:I just want to develop a  local website to test
[03:35] <van7hu> twb: How could I do that
[03:36] <van7hu> twb: if I want to test whether my website is working, localhost?
[03:36] <twb> I imagine so.
[03:36] <twb> Or if your server and desktop are separate systems (as we recommend), it would be http://<hostname of server>
[03:37] <van7hu> twb: I am in a LAN network
[03:38] <twb> I don't see how that matters.
[04:08] <van7hu> how to I install LAMP in a command?
[04:08] <twb> sudo tasksel?
[04:10] <van7hu> ah yeah
[04:10] <van7hu> thanks
[04:15] <van7hu> twb: sorry
[04:15] <van7hu> but what I need to do
[04:16] <van7hu> it shows me an select, but how could I select, what button to use?
[04:16] <twb> There should be a LAMP option there
[04:16] <van7hu> yes
[04:16] <twb> So pick it
[04:16] <van7hu> but I could not select it
[04:20] <van7hu> bump, what button should I use to choose it
[04:20] <twb> space?
[04:20] <twb> Dunno, I don't use that stuff
[04:20] <van7hu> ah, thanks
[04:20] <van7hu> I check all keyboard, except it
[04:21] <The_Kernel> hi, does anyone know how to clear the mailqueue on courier
[04:21] <The_Kernel> ?
[04:24] <twb> The_Kernel: is there a mailq or postqueue command or similar?
[04:25] <The_Kernel> I found it
[04:25] <twb> The_Kernel: maybe dpkg -L courier-thingy | grep sbin -OK
[04:25] <The_Kernel> jsut had to figure out how to ask google properly
[04:30] <rnigam> I want to update qemu-kvm package from default version 0.12.5 to the latest 0.14.0 without breaking any other dependencies on ubuntu-server maverick. I see that Natty has 0.14 version. Can someone here tell me how can i do it in maverick. Thanks
[04:32] <twb> KVM version appears to be 1:84+dfsg-0ubuntu16+0.12.5+noroms+0ubuntu7.2
[04:32] <twb> Do you mean the 0.12.5 part of that ?
[04:33] <twb> Ah, I guess you mean the qemu-kvm source package.
[04:33] <rnigam> yes twb
[04:33] <twb> qemu-kvm | 0.12.5+noroms-0ubuntu7 |      maverick | source, amd64, i386
[04:33] <twb> qemu-kvm | 0.14.0+noroms-0ubuntu4 |         natty | source, amd64, i386
[04:34] <twb> Unless there's already a reliable backport, you will want to roll your own.  This is not something inexperienced packagers should do.
[04:34] <rnigam> :(
[04:35] <twb> That, or upgrade your system to natty.  IIRC that hasn't been released, so that wouldn't be a good idea either.
[04:36] <rnigam> cant i do manual install of the new package with all the dependencies ? and then use the absolute path to run kvm?
[04:37] <twb> If you're happy to make your system less reliable, maintainable, and secure -- sure.
[04:38] <rnigam> :(
[04:38] <twb> Why do you want the newer qemu-kvm?
[04:41] <rnigam> so the newer kvm supports a feature called vhost which improves network throughput between kvm guests !
[04:42] <qman__> well, natty IS about to release, so if you can wait a week or two, do that
[04:43] <qman__> otherwise, I agree, rolling your own package is the best option
[04:43] <qman__> everything else is too messy
[04:44] <twb> Unless you're burning for that feature, I advise you to wait
[04:44] <twb> IMO backporting like that is only worth it to get show-stopper bugfixes/features/security patches.
[04:45] <twb> e.g. I do it for openldap because otherwise I can't use sudo-ldap and users can't reset their own passwords.
[04:46] <twb> That and eatmydata, because lucid's dpkg is particularly silly wrt I/O
[04:57] <rnigam> ok I am very desperate to test this out ! today or tomorrow.
[04:58] <rnigam> I think I will go for Natty.. Can I download beta yet?
[04:59] <rnigam> are there any issues that I should be worried about while swithcing to the beta?
[05:18] <twb> I don't know.  I only run LTS releases
[05:18] <twb> IMO non-LTS releases are ALL flaky
[05:42] <Datz> no trying out unity for you?
[05:42] <twb> I don't use GUIs
[05:43] <Datz> hardcore
[05:43] <twb> Not my fault if normals are weak
[05:43] <Datz> I couldn't do that. I need some GUI for web browsing
[05:43] <Datz> what do you use? lynx, links?
[05:44] <twb> I do launch X on demand for web banking ("xinit /usr/bin/opera http://bank.example.net/")
[05:44] <twb> For normal browser I use emacs-w3m and w3m
[05:44] <twb> They support inline images, which is about the only "GUI-y" feature I really need for browsing
[05:44] <Datz> humm, haven't tried emacs-w3m
[05:44] <Datz> humm
[05:44] <twb> emacs-w3m is more-or-less just w3m inside emacs
[05:45] <twb> It's not actually *implemented* that way, but that's what the users see
[05:45] <Datz> humm
[05:45] <Datz> I know not of this
[05:45] <Datz> looks interesting though
[05:46] <twb> The real kicker is to use intelfb to get native resolution on the framebuffer, and kbd+console-setup to get nice small terminus 12x6 font
[05:46] <twb> Oh, and setterm to get nice colours
[05:46] <Datz> yea, doesn't sound like a hassel or anything :P
[05:46] <twb> Shrug
[05:46] <Datz> hehe
[05:47] <twb> It's no harder than xf86.conf used to be
[05:47] <Datz> ah, haven't really had to deal with that sutff
[05:47] <twb> THese days xorg.conf isn't needed, it's all auto-detected
[05:48] <twb> ten years ago, not so much
[05:48] <Datz> but I'm sure it's great once it's all configured
[05:48] <Datz> um hum
[05:48] <Datz> you use emacs for irc as well then?
[05:48] <twb> For me, fbcon looks pretty much identical to X+ratpoison+xterm
[05:48] <twb> Datz: yes
[05:48] <Datz> ah
[05:48] <Datz> cools
[05:48] <twb> Try "emacs -f irc"
[05:48] <Datz> haven't tried that out, pretty used to irssi
[05:49] <Datz> hey look it autoconnects to freenode
[05:49] <Datz> is that the -f ?
[05:49] <twb> No -f is like M-x
[05:49] <Datz> humm
[05:50] <Datz> so.. I don't know how to use it anyway :)
[05:50] <twb> Without configuration, M-x irc should connect you to #emacs on freenode automatically
[05:50] <twb> Or maybe #rcirc, I forget.
[05:50] <Datz> oh.. I see it's just working
[05:50] <twb> That's only one of the IRC clients, though
[05:50] <datz`> test
[05:50] <datz`> heh
[05:50] <twb> Emacs also ships with M-x erc, and there are a handful of others to install
[05:50] <Datz> ah
[05:51] <twb> "darcs get http://cyber.com.au/~twb" for my dotfiles, if you feel like looking around them
[05:51] <Datz> maybe I'll have to look into emacs irc a bit more
[05:52] <Datz> thanks, I'll have a look
[05:52] <twb> Damn, permissions are broken on that
[05:52] <Datz> ah
[05:53] <twb> You can hit individual files in there, but autoindexing is disabled
[05:53] <twb> So e.g. http://cyber.com.au/~twb/.profile
[05:54] <Datz> humm
[06:00] <twb> OK, *now* "darcs get" should work.
[09:56] <adac> Is someone familiar here with tomcat clustering?
[10:13] <jamespage> adac: I've done a bit in the past; might be a bit rusty - whats your question?
[10:14] <adac> jamespage, I was wondering how seesion replication works with simple: "<Cluster className="org.apache.catalina.ha.tcp.SimpleTcpCluster"/>" flag?
[10:14] <adac> do you know whcih port is used for to exange the sessions?
[10:14] <twb> Wow, already I'm glad I don't know
[10:15] <jamespage> adac: http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-6.0-doc/cluster-howto.html - should have all the information you need
[10:16] <adac> jamespage, I know that page already ;)
[10:17] <jamespage> adac: "The TCP port listening for replication messages is the first available server socket in range 4000-4100"
[10:18] <jamespage> adac: I think that multicast is just used for control across the cluster - the TCP port is used for replication
[10:18] <adac> jamespage, oh i see
[10:18] <jamespage> adac: so more that likely it will be port 4000 - but it might not be :-)
[10:19] <adac> jamespage, hehe
[10:19] <adac> lets try it out
[10:20] <adac> there are only a hundred possibilities right? =)
[10:20] <adac> no but maybe I can fix his port somehow
[10:20] <adac> set it  by default
[10:23] <jamespage> adac: org.apache.catalina.tribes.transport.nio.NioReceiver is the configuration element that will probably do this for you
[10:23] <adac> jamespage, yes you right this looks like the place to set this port
[10:26] <jamespage> adac: http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-6.0-doc/config/cluster-receiver.html - more info
[10:28] <jamespage> adac: autoBind="0" might do the job - worth testing though.
[10:29] <adac> jamespage, still no luck... with 4000, lets try with autobind="0"
[10:35] <adac> jamespage, still does not work even with autobind=0. This is wath i have on both tomcat servers now (two own server): http://pastie.org/1806441
[10:38] <jamespage> adac: what behaviour are you actually seeing?
[10:38] <adac> balancing is fine, it switches when one tomcat goes down. but the session is lost, jamespage
[10:38] <adac> so when one tc goes down, and i reload the page a new session appears
[10:40] <jamespage> adac: have you set the <distributable/> flag in the web application web.xml?
[10:40] <adac> jamespage, yes i did
[10:41] <jamespage> adac: anything that might indicate that its not working in the tomcat logs?
[10:43] <adac> wait a second jamespage I will check that
[10:50] <adac> jamespage, hmm on starting up tomcat 2 says: Apr 18, 2011 11:46:43 AM org.apache.coyote.AbstractProtocolHandler init
[10:50] <adac> INFO: Initializing ProtocolHandler ["http-bio-8080"]
[10:50] <adac> Apr 18, 2011 11:46:43 AM org.apache.coyote.AbstractProtocolHandler init
[10:50] <adac> INFO: Initializing ProtocolHandler ["ajp-bio-8009"]
[10:50] <adac> Apr 18, 2011 11:46:43 AM org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina load
[10:50] <adac> INFO: Initialization processed in 2983 ms
[10:50] <adac> Apr 18, 2011 11:46:43 AM org.apache.catalina.core.StandardService startInternal
[10:50] <adac> INFO: Starting service Catalina
[10:50] <adac> Apr 18, 2011 11:46:43 AM org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngine startInternal
[10:50] <adac> INFO: Starting Servlet Engine: Apache Tomcat/7.0.11
[10:50] <adac> Apr 18, 2011 11:46:43 AM org.apache.catalina.ha.tcp.SimpleTcpCluster startInternal
[10:50] <adac> INFO: Cluster is about to start
[10:50] <adac> Apr 18, 2011 11:46:44 AM org.apache.catalina.tribes.transport.ReceiverBase bind
[10:50] <adac> INFO: Receiver Server Socket bound to:/<IP_ADDRESS>:4000
[10:50] <adac> Apr 18, 2011 11:46:44 AM org.apache.catalina.tribes.membership.McastServiceImpl setupSocket
[10:50] <adac> INFO: Setting cluster mcast soTimeout to 500
[10:50] <adac> Apr 18, 2011 11:46:44 AM org.apache.catalina.tribes.membership.McastServiceImpl waitForMembers
[10:50] <adac> INFO: Sleeping for 1000 milliseconds to establish cluster membership, start level:4
[10:50] <adac> Apr 18, 2011 11:46:45 AM org.apache.catalina.tribes.membership.McastServiceImpl waitForMembers
[10:50] <adac> INFO: Done sleeping, membership established, start level:4
[10:50] <adac> Apr 18, 2011 11:46:45 AM org.apache.catalina.tribes.membership.McastServiceImpl waitForMembers
[10:50] <adac> INFO: Sleeping for 1000 milliseconds to establish cluster membership, start level:8
[10:50] <adac> Apr 18, 2011 11:46:46 AM org.apache.catalina.tribes.membership.McastServiceImpl waitForMembers
[10:50] <adac> INFO: Done sleeping, membership established, start level:8
[10:50] <adac> ouch sorry
[10:51] <adac> Apr 18, 2011 11:49:38 AM org.apache.catalina.ha.session.DeltaManager startInternal
[10:51] <adac> INFO: Starting clustering manager at localhost#/cluster
[10:51] <adac> jamespage, ^^ this one
[10:51] <adac> Apr 18, 2011 11:49:38 AM org.apache.catalina.ha.session.DeltaManager getAllClusterSessions
[10:51] <adac> INFO: Manager [localhost#/cluster]: skipping state transfer. No members active in cluster group.
[10:52] <jamespage> adac: it looks like the cluster manager is binding to localhost rather than the real IP of the server
[10:54] <adac> jamespage, ok I will ahve anotehr look on the config
[10:54] <jamespage> adac: once your tomcat instances are started take a look and see where they are binding to
[10:55] <jamespage> if you see port 4000 on localhost you might need to use the 'address' parameter in the configuration
[10:55] <jamespage> i.e. auto might not be working quite as expected!
[10:58] <adac> jamespage, http://pastie.org/1806506 thist is the startup
[10:58] <adac> message
[10:59] <jamespage> adac: just spotted you are using Tomcat 7
[10:59]  * jamespage goes to see if anything is differnt
[11:00] <adac> jamespage, shoudn't be that different
[11:00] <adac> :)
[11:00] <jamespage> adac: it would appear so
[11:00] <adac> bu maybe there is a tiny tiny little thing
[11:00] <adac> like ession replication
[11:00] <adac> that is different hehe
[11:01] <RoyK> !pastebin
[11:02] <jamespage> adac: well it could be - it would appear that the two nodes are not forming a cluster - this is done over the multcast address
[11:02] <jamespage> adac: assume that is consistent between the two nodes?
[11:02] <adac> jamespage, taht was exactyl the nextquestion I wanted to ask you
[11:02] <adac> thsi mulitcast thing
[11:03] <adac> is this soemthing tomcat internal
[11:03] <adac> or is this a real network adress?
[11:03] <adac> ip adress
[11:04] <jamespage> adac: its not tomcat internal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast
[11:04] <jamespage> adac: its a nice efficient way of getting information to a large number of nodes without sending it to each individually.
[11:05] <jamespage> adac: the two nodes in your cluster need to use the same multicast IP address AND port number.
[11:05] <adac> I see so this is a network setup
[11:05] <jamespage> adac: you should not need todo anything else to your systems network configuration
[11:06] <adac> no?
[11:06] <adac> only give this ip that the tomcat docs suggest?
[11:06] <adac> within the server.xml
[11:08] <adac> ^^jamespage
[11:08] <adac> hehe
[11:09] <jamespage> adac: you should only need to specify this in the server.xml
[11:10] <jamespage> adac: if you execute 'ifconfig -a' you should see that 'MULTICAST' is mentioned in the output for your network adapters.
[11:12] <adac> jamespage, http://pastie.org/1806558 this is what ifconfig -a gives me
[11:13] <adac> so it seems that multicast is missing...
[11:13] <adac> right?
[11:14] <jamespage> adac: yes - no multicast no cluster comms :-(
[11:14] <jamespage> adac: are you running this in a container?
[11:14] <adac> this is a openvz container, yes jamespage
[11:14] <adac> hehe
[11:14] <jamespage> adac: thought so
[11:15] <adac> but all fine now I finall know what is wring
[11:15] <adac> wrong
[11:15] <jamespage> adac: great - glad I could help :-)
[11:15] <adac> thank you a lot jamespage!!
[11:15] <jamespage> adac: np
[11:25] <jamespage> Daviey: as I'm fixing up the bind9 integration for cobbler do you think bind9 should be added to suggests?
[12:16] <Daviey> jamespage, suggests sounds safe.
[12:16] <Daviey> jamespage, suggests doesn't add much value... but is logical.
[12:21] <jamespage> Daviey: ack
[12:51] <adac> command: "brctl addbr vzbr0" error: "add bridge failed: Package not installed" Do you guys have an idea? The package is installed
[12:52] <adac> does the kernel not know how to handle it maybe?
[12:57] <aperson> I've tried a few times and failed.  How would I write a .htaccess file to redirect my /map/ to my map subdomain?
[13:06] <m|kael> hello, i would like to add a site in apache2 for wildcard subdomains. kinda like *.dev.domain > /var/www-dev/* can anyone help me with it please, i use the lamp package which comes with ubuntu server
[13:16] <andriijas> is it possible to restrict access to a certain account over ssh for 1 ip?
[13:17] <andriijas> or does adding ip limitation apply to all accounts?
[13:19] <JanC> m|kael: you'll need something like this: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/rewrite/vhosts.html
[13:20] <m|kael> JanC: thank you, ill check it out
[13:21] <m|kael> JanC: so its not possible to add a site in /etc/apache2/sites-available ?
[13:22] <JanC> eh, you *have* to
[13:23] <m|kael> JanC: kk
[13:28] <zul> morning
[13:34] <Daviey> jamespage, is your cobbler branch good to go?
[13:34] <jamespage> Daviey: just testing now
[13:34] <Daviey> cool
[13:39] <Error404NotFound> anybody here used varnish? I have installed varnish on http://www.bitesource.com/ and enabled detailed headers according to http://www.varnish-cache.org/trac/wiki/VCLExampleHitMissHeader. Problem? Its a MISS for everything and X-Cacheable is always NotCacheable for some reason
[13:44] <jamespage> Daviey: cobbler branch now GTG if you would like to sponsor :-)
[13:44] <Daviey> jamespage, you rockstar
[13:46] <Daviey> jamespage, Maybe next cycle the bind binary could be a config option, and we could submit that upstream
[13:46] <jamespage> Daviey: that would be a good idea; more time than we have ATM but def next cycle
[13:47] <Daviey> jamespage, agreed
[14:02] <ttx> kirkland: ping
[14:03] <jfb_h20> anyone up for a challenge? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1725957
[14:03] <jfb_h20> Or so it seems by the lack of response...
[14:07] <patdk-wk> jfb_h20, this is ubuntu server, not ubuntu or ubuntu laptop help
[14:08] <jfb_h20> patdk-wk: thanks. I know, seems though that folks here are a little more focused... a lot of noise on #ubuntu, but i'll give it a ping over there if you think it's better.
[14:09] <jfb_h20> patdk-wk: I guess though, given it's a GPU issue, 'server' might not be the best place ;)
[14:54] <adac> jamespage, I just wnated to let you now there is a new mechanism with memcached for the session replication: http://code.google.com/p/memcached-session-manager/wiki/SetupAndConfiguration
[14:55] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[14:58] <jamespage> adac: thanks for the pointer - looks interesting
[14:58] <jamespage> adac: considering looking at packaging tomcat7 next cycle and this might make a nice supplement.
[14:58] <adac> jamespage, I knew you would like it
[14:58] <adac> :)
[15:06] <MTecknology> what was that software that was around the kernel level for keeping file systems in sync across disks?
[15:07] <patdk-wk> mdadm?
[15:07] <MTecknology> er.... across different systems..
[15:08] <patdk-wk> heh, nothing stopd mdadm from doing radi1 between systems :)
[15:08] <patdk-wk> drbd?
[15:08] <MTecknology> THAT!
[15:08] <MTecknology> Thanks :D
[15:09] <patdk-wk> hmm, raid1 two iscsi mounts :)
[15:10] <MTecknology> which would also work great; not for me - someone on cheap hardware that thinks they're going to do a high availability setup; sounds like that's what they're looking for
[15:46] <RoyK> patdk-wk: what sort of iscsi target?
[15:46] <patdk-wk> any, I was just saying it is easy to setup mdadm to use disks across different physical systems
[15:59] <smoser> Daviey, i un-milestoned bug 745930
[16:00] <Daviey> smoser, why?
[16:00] <smoser> because its not a bug. its hardware failure.
[16:01] <smoser> hardware, or platform, or *something* failure.
[16:01] <smoser> i can't fix amazon's platform bug.
[16:21] <Daviey> smoser, you should.
[16:30] <ppetraki> patdk-wk, have you ever actually deployed that setup, without corrupting your data?
[16:32] <patdk-wk> never said it was very sane :)
[16:32] <patdk-wk> and drbd defently doesn't protect you from data corruption
[16:32]  * SpamapS stretches
[16:32] <SpamapS> morning people
[16:32] <SpamapS> drbd is an availability solution, not a backup solution. :)
[16:32] <patdk-wk> busy studing xkcd today
[16:33] <ppetraki> drbd, in mode C, with a battery backed cache is extremely reliable
[16:34] <SpamapS> yes, as an availability solution. :)
[16:34] <ppetraki> sure
[16:34] <SpamapS> your DB could still mangle all the data due to a bit error
[16:34] <ppetraki> if it does, then it's a bug in drbd
[16:34] <SpamapS> snapshots, transaction logs, offsites ... backups will never go out of style. :)
[16:34] <patdk-wk> or the drive is bad
[16:35] <ppetraki> that's why it's recommended to use a smart raid in such a deployment
[16:35] <SpamapS> what is "smart raid" ?
[16:36]  * SpamapS guesses its the kind where the pirates don't get drunk before they land
[16:36] <patdk-wk> no idea, cause I have had raid cards freak out, and cause the drive array to go nuts
[16:36] <ppetraki> something that checks your disk's integrity on a regular schedule
[16:36] <ppetraki> though DRBD has a verify feature too
[16:37] <ppetraki> having said all of that, I'd much rather prefer a good SAN
[16:38] <cloakable> What would you use as a SAN head?
[16:38] <cloakable> :P
[16:38] <ppetraki> an FT machine like a Stratus box
[16:39] <SpamapS> ppetraki: how does it know what the integrity of MySQL tables is?
[16:39] <SpamapS> a SAN is not an availability solution. :)
[16:39] <ppetraki> SpamapS, it doesn't, but in mode C, it can't complete the IO unless it receives verification from the other side
[16:39] <SpamapS> ppetraki: I'm well aware of how drbd works, having been a user since 2000. :)
[16:40] <ppetraki> SpamapS, :)
[16:40] <SpamapS> ppetraki: I still copied everything to tapes once a day. :)
[16:40] <ppetraki> SpamapS, never said it was a backup replacement
[16:41] <SpamapS> Right, somebody asked if drbd protects you from data corruption.
[16:41] <SpamapS> emphatically, *no*
[16:41] <ppetraki> SpamapS, I simply wanted to emphasis that DRBD is better suited for "raid 1 over the network" than iSCSI/MDADM
[16:41] <RoAkSoAx> ppetraki: But, with 3-way replaction with DRBD (as disaster recovery) might be cofused as backups
[16:42] <patdk-wk> actually the question was what replicates filesystems across disks
[16:42] <ppetraki> RoAkSoAx, well, the 3 way sometimes makes good sense if the third node is the backup server
[16:42] <patdk-wk> it wasn't till later the question was modified to across servers
[16:42] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: indeed, but that's why we use fencing, but even drbd has its own preventing methods, but of course, those are not a complete solution
[16:43] <RoAkSoAx> ppetraki: indeed, but the idea of the 3-way replication was specifically use it as a backup server
[16:43] <ppetraki> SpamapS, nothing perfect, but with battery backed storage controllers, UPS, and proper fencing you can get close
[16:43] <RoAkSoAx> ppetraki: however, it is now used as site replacation
[16:43] <RoAkSoAx> ppetraki: and some sense of a 4 node cluster
[16:44] <RoAkSoAx> or 4 way replication
[16:44] <RoAkSoAx> s/way/node
[16:45] <SpamapS> there's also some FS's now that replicate across network instead of using block level replication
[16:46] <SpamapS> glusterfs is pretty cool.. ceph will follow btrfs into the mainstream and should be pretty awesome
[16:46] <ppetraki> DRBD is neat, but the supporting community is too small to get real free help
[16:47] <ppetraki> I can remember several instances where I've gotten responses that basically said "if you only had a support contract"
[16:47] <RoAkSoAx> ppetraki: those are the sales guys lol
[16:47] <RoAkSoAx> ppetraki: but anyways, they do have good documentation
[16:47] <ppetraki> RoAkSoAx, nope, it was the head devs
[16:48] <RoAkSoAx> ppetraki: fghaas, lge?
[16:48] <ppetraki> RoAkSoAx, I used to maintain a branch of DRBD internally for a time. Miserable work
[16:48] <RoAkSoAx> ppetraki: hehe well from my point of view they have to make money out of something, otherwise there wouldn't even be a DRBD
[16:49] <SpamapS> With something like DRBD .. you really should be ready to pay a little.
[16:49] <RoAkSoAx> indeed
[16:49] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: so how's it going today man?
[16:49] <ppetraki> I tell people, think of DRBD like a "virtual SAN", and budget accordingly
[16:50] <SpamapS> I learned that w/ MySQL .. paying percona for 8 hours of consulting did fantastic things for the response time of our queries. :)
[16:50] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: I am sore in almost every muscle and bone of my body.. but good. :)
[16:50] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: hehe too much alcohol or too much working out?
[16:52] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: 3 hour karate test
[16:53] <SpamapS> 3 hours of kicking, punching, spinning, sparring, "HIIIYYAAAHHH"'ing, and pushups.. soo.. many.. pushups
[16:53] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: oh wow! that definitely hurts... I run yesterday after more than 1 year with absolutely no excercise (post surgery) and I'm sore, but feel better than ever
[16:59] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: I'm drinking green tea and eating flax seed oatmeal.. hopefully the omega 3's and anti-oxidants will do their pseudo-science-certified dance and make me feel better soon
[17:02] <macno> hi, in 10.10  there's a /etc/default/rsyslog but it's not read by the upstart script. The argument now is written directly in /etc/init/rsyslog.conf is it correct?
[17:13] <Delemas> Anyone know how to determine what is currently set as the admin password or admin email of an Ubuntu enterprise cloud?
[17:17] <SpamapS> Delemas: not sure, but you can probably reset it via dpkg-reconfigure eucalyptus-cc
[17:19] <Delemas> hmm no luck there...
[17:22] <SpamapS> bummer
[17:23] <SpamapS> kirkland: ping, Delemas is trying to figure out how to reset his admin account on UEC.. any ideas?
[17:23] <SpamapS> Daviey: ^^
[17:24] <kirkland> SpamapS: if he set his email address when he first logged in, just reset password
[17:24] <kirkland> SpamapS: if not, i have no idea
[17:24] <Delemas> I tried the recover password route but no email was sent out... I obviously tried all the accounts I thought that should work but the web interface is accepting nothing and emailing nothing...
[17:25] <SpamapS> kirkland: btw I just tried out the nested byobu fix. Much smoother. :)
[17:25] <SpamapS> kirkland: next step is to just have it open as a new window inside your existing byobu.
[17:26] <Delemas> Nevermind, after a restart it let me login. Not sure what that was about... Thanks anyways...
[17:50] <smoser> SpamapS, you want to read bug 740390 for me ?
[17:51] <smoser> i'm asking you because the bug-opener mentions  bug 672177
[17:59] <SpamapS> smoser: reading
[18:01] <SpamapS> smoser: you missed his point, on reboot it probably would actually have to fsck /
[18:01] <SpamapS> oh wait
[18:01] <SpamapS> no you didn't
[18:01] <SpamapS> haha I should read the whole thing
[18:02] <SpamapS> smoser: yes touching /var/run/init.upgraded is actually probably something we should do on all libs that init dynamically links
[18:03] <smoser> i did almost miss the point SpamapS
[18:04] <SpamapS> smoser: let me try this on an up to date natty system.. the key is whether or not you get orphaned inodes in the dmesg on reboot
[18:05]  * SpamapS is always shocked when he sees how many updates accumulate for a bare bones VM in one week of release freeze
[18:05] <smoser> SpamapS, there were 42 in the 36 hours prior to me coming in this morning
[18:09] <SpamapS> we almost need to create a trigger for upstart on /lib
[18:14] <SpamapS> smoser: ok I marked that one Triaged and High. The next upgrade to dbus really should handle the init.upgraded thing unless we've put the trigger in place for upstart.
[18:14] <SpamapS> Though there is some hope that upstart will be able to re-exec itself without losing state when upstart 2 comes out
[18:22] <zul> hallyn: ping
[18:23] <hallyn> zul: hey
[18:31] <user5v> hello, how do disable internet/network access for some linux users, are there special groups?
[18:34] <SpamapS> user5v: you can disable access for local users yes..
[18:34]  * SpamapS isn't sure how to do it w/ ufw tho
[18:34] <user5v> SpamapS: whats the keyword to google?
[18:35] <jdstrand> don't bother looking, ufw doesn't have that via the cli. any iptables-style stuff can be added to /etc/ufw/*rules of course
[18:35] <SpamapS> jdstrand: ahh thats how. :)
[18:36] <SpamapS> user5v: man iptables, search for 'owner'
[18:38] <user5v> SpamapS: does NX or VNC work for this user after disabling internet access?
[18:43] <SpamapS> user5v: depends on how you "disabled" the access
[18:44] <SpamapS> user5v: if you say iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner baduser -j DROP  .. then they will have no ability to do any kind of network communication.
[18:46] <user5v> SpamapS: the user should be able to log in with NX but shoudn't download anything inside of the nx session a. e. wget
[18:47] <SpamapS> user5v: so then allow the NX port first, but drop everything else.
[18:54] <user5v> SpamapS: i have done this:
[18:55] <user5v> SpamapS: iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner test -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
[18:55] <user5v> SpamapS: iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner test -j DROP
[18:55] <user5v> now nx doesn't work
[18:56] <user5v> ssh works
[18:57] <SpamapS> because.. you used port 22
[18:57] <SpamapS> you're allowing 22 *out* there btw
[18:57] <SpamapS> i suspect you want something different
[18:59] <user5v> SpamapS: should I allow 22 IN, too?
[18:59] <SpamapS> user5v: you can't control incoming ports per user
[19:00] <user5v> SpamapS: what's the problem with 22
[19:00] <SpamapS> user5v: I'm sorry.. this is a *really* advanced topic, and I don't think IRC is an appropriate way to try and learn this.
[19:01] <user5v> SpamapS: thank you, but how to delete the two rules?
[19:02] <MetaJake> using ubuntu-server on VMWare locally, is there any way to use "real world" URL's to visit sites on the local server? or do you know if I'm stuck with just using my network's IP address as the URL as i develop locally? (--- recommend any google search phrases for reading on this topic?)
[19:04] <SpamapS> user5v: just do '-D' instead of '-A'
[19:05] <pethkaqeni> hi all
[19:05] <SpamapS> user5v: your next best way to learn this is to read up on iptables as a whole system, so you can understand how INPUT/OUTPUT work together
[19:05] <pethkaqeni> someone may help me plz
[19:05] <pethkaqeni> im new to ubuntu server and im so dammed confused with this one
[19:05] <pethkaqeni> i have a attansic technology co device 1062 (rev c0) driver problem
[19:05] <SpamapS> MetaJake: you could put the "real world" hostnames in /etc/hosts
[19:06] <SpamapS> MetaJake: if you're on windows.. thats not the right file.. its like.. C:\windows\lmhosts or something like that
[19:06]  * SpamapS hasn't had to do that in a long... long time
[19:06] <SpamapS> pethkaqeni: whats a "co device" ?
[19:06] <MetaJake> SpamapS, I see. heh.
[19:07] <MetaJake> thanks i'll toy with that.
[19:07] <SpamapS> MetaJake: there are also some firefox plugins that let you spoof the Host: header.. that helps if thats the thing you need to fix.
[19:08] <MetaJake> alrighty.
[19:11] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: ping
[19:12] <adac> Hi guys, my backup servers inodes are full, even though I still have 43 gigs free disk space
[19:12] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: rama lama ping pong
[19:12] <adac> any ideas how to resolve that?
[19:13] <SpamapS> adac: heh, too many tiny files.
[19:13] <SpamapS> adac: IIRC, ext4 can't expand the inode pool without creating a new FS
[19:13] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: if you free, could you take a look to cluster-agents which I just uploaded to maverick-proposed :)?
[19:13] <RoAkSoAx> it's an SRU
[19:13] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: sure, I'm planning a run through the -proposed queue in a bit
[19:13] <adac> SpamapS, arrg....
[19:13] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: cool, thanks!
[19:14] <adac> RoAkSoAx, what is cluster-agents?
[19:14] <RoAkSoAx> adac: the package that contains the resource agents for cluster environments
[19:14] <RoAkSoAx> adac: resource agents as in scripts that help manage services in terms of HA Clustering (pacemaker/heartbeat/corosync/etc)
[19:15] <adac> RoAkSoAx, and for which clustering?
[19:15] <adac> mean wich software to cluster
[19:15] <RoAkSoAx> adac: HA Clustering -> pacemaker based
[19:15] <adac> let me google that
[19:15] <RoAkSoAx> either pacemaker/corosync stack or pacemaker/heartbeat stack
[19:15] <RoAkSoAx> adac: RHCS resource agtents should be pacemaker compatible in newer versions (post natty)
[19:17] <RoAkSoAx> adac: http://www.linux-ha.org/wiki/Resource_Agents
[19:18] <adac> RoAkSoAx, sounds interesting
[19:18] <adac> I will mkae ma note and read through once I have solved my indodes problem ;)
[19:18] <adac> *indes
[19:18] <adac> inodes
[19:18] <RoAkSoAx> hehe cool
[19:20] <adac> SpamapS, what ths standard indode number?
[19:20] <hallyn> zul: YUCK.  can't run debootstrap inside a lxc container bc it wants to read /dev/kcore and such
[19:20] <SpamapS> adac: there's no standard. When you create filesystems, you need to have some idea of how many files/inodes you will consume
[19:21] <SpamapS> adac: I'm guessing you're using something that creates a lot of hard links to files when they haven't changed, right?
[19:21] <SpamapS> hallyn: kcore?!
[19:22] <adac> SpamapS, well this host is a backup host
[19:22] <adac> I have backuppc running on it
[19:22] <adac> and it couls be that there are a loot files
[19:22] <adac> *lot
[19:24] <SpamapS> adac: you might be able to shrink your current filesystem, and create a new one with a lot more inode space
[19:24] <SpamapS> adac: thats tough if you just have "one big /"
[19:24] <adac> SpamapS, yes that is my plan, but I might install it from scratch
[19:24] <adac> again
[19:24] <adac> since backup is relatively new
[19:25] <SpamapS> adac: I'm not entirely sure if the installer lets you tweak these things easily. I hope it does
[19:25] <adac> Lets hope
[19:25] <zul> hallyn: why would you want to do that?
[19:25] <SpamapS> adac: you may want to just create a minimal system partition and put all the backups in a specialized /var/lib/backuppc that you create after the fact.
[19:25] <adac> otherwise I do it manually, aye exactly
[19:25] <adac> reiserfs shhould be good dealing with lots of small files
[19:26] <adac> just read it in the intenets
[19:26] <hallyn> SpamapS: /dev/core
[19:26] <hallyn> zul: it only does it if you do --arch=
[19:26] <hallyn> zul: presumably trying to verify
[19:27] <SpamapS> adac: you'll want to read 'man mkfs.ext4' when doing it manually.. -i in particular is what you want.
[19:27] <adac> SpamapS, kk, thank you for the hints!
[20:09] <hallyn> Daviey: i suppose someone is going tohave to do the maverick fix for open-vm-tools
[20:12] <Daviey> hallyn, I don't think it needs to be a priority atm, it only affects -backport repository, right?
[20:13] <Daviey> if it is easy enough to backport the natty package, then shoot for it i guess.
[20:16] <hallyn> Daviey: that's what i did, but i don't know for sure that it'll work.  Guess we'll see what the guy says
[20:16] <hallyn> maybe i wasn't clear enough that he shoudl try those packages
[20:16] <Daviey> hallyn, rocking
[20:17] <Daviey> hallyn, we'll see - btw, are you familiar with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#Technical%20Information%20for%20Ubuntu%20Developers ?
[20:22] <hallyn> Daviey: no
[20:41] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ping
[20:42] <zul> RoAkSoAx: what up?
[20:42] <RoAkSoAx> zul: are server ISO's the only ones that can be used with cobbler. Or Desktop ISO's can also netinstall (or can we netboot in this case)
[20:43] <zul> RoAkSoAx: desktop or server afaik
[20:43] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ok thanks. I guess I'll have to give it a try
[20:43] <patdk-nb> I netinstall server and desktop
[20:43] <patdk-nb> never used cobbler though
[20:45] <RoAkSoAx> patdk-nb: thanks for the info
[20:48] <RoAkSoAx> patdk-nb: by any chance you have a Debian source/mount/iso/CD or anything?
[20:50] <patdk-nb> heh?
[20:50] <patdk-nb> I just copy the netboot code into my pxe tftp folder and add it to my pxe boot menu
[20:52] <RoAkSoAx> patdk-nb: oh ok. Never mind then :)
[21:08] <hallyn> Daviey: so, if the natty open-vm-tools package works fine for maverick...  i don't suppose there still would be any chance of sru'ing that to maverick?  :)
[21:09] <robbiew> SpamapS: ping
[21:14] <Daviey> hallyn, if open-vm-tools works with the natty-updates kernel, there is really no desire to SRU it IMO.
[21:14] <Daviey> hallyn, AIUI, the kernel in -backports doesn't work with open-vm-tools, so open-vm-tools should go into -backports pocket.
[21:34] <hallyn> Daviey: (sorry i didn't see you'd replied) not sure what you were saying.  But maverick package is broken too (at last there are duped bugs for it)
[21:35] <SpamapS> robbiew: pong, sup?
[21:36] <hallyn> Daviey: so i'm saying that the newest open-vm-tools package appears to work fine with maverick's kernel.  It's a huge delta though
[21:45] <hallyn> kirkland: i  know you had some experience with likewise-open - just wondering, have you looked at, or were you planning to look at bug 655533?
[21:46] <hallyn> oh, nm
[21:47] <hallyn> i see, that thinks it has beenf ixed
[22:02] <ap0c> anyone had any problems running ddr3 with ubuntu 10.10 LTS ?
[22:02] <ap0c> my box seems to freeze after a couple days of operation
[22:12] <T3CHKOMMIE> hello everyone im having problems getting my x11 to work with putty on a windows machine. can anyone help me figure out why the tutorials arent getting me where i wanna go?
[22:13] <guntbert> T3CHKOMMIE: what sort of problems?
[22:15] <T3CHKOMMIE> guntbert im trying to configure my mythtv backend via ssh.... when i enable x11 forwarding it tells me it cannot open the display its a GTK+ error
[22:15] <guntbert> T3CHKOMMIE: you have to run an X server on the windows machine
[22:16] <guntbert> T3CHKOMMIE: have a look at MobaXTerm
[22:17] <T3CHKOMMIE> im running cygwin.
[22:17] <guntbert> T3CHKOMMIE: just as well (cygwin/X I suppose), did you tell putty to forward X?
[22:18] <T3CHKOMMIE> yes
[22:18] <T3CHKOMMIE> so i have x server running. should i ssh from that window?
[22:18] <T3CHKOMMIE> or just use putty in windows like usual?
[22:20] <guntbert> both ways normally work, at first start something simple - like xeyes
[22:20] <T3CHKOMMIE> ok so xserver is running on win machien i used ptty with xll forward and ssh to target box.
[22:20] <T3CHKOMMIE> i ran "startx" and it gave me a fatal sever error.
[22:21] <T3CHKOMMIE> "server is already active for display 0
[22:21] <guntbert> T3CHKOMMIE: NOOOO, startx is wrong, you start single applications
[22:21] <T3CHKOMMIE> oh
[22:22] <guntbert> try with xeyes - its a little fun
[22:22] <T3CHKOMMIE> ah /user/bin/mythtv-setup
[22:22] <T3CHKOMMIE> thats working.
[22:22] <T3CHKOMMIE> suuuuuuuuppper slow.
[22:22] <T3CHKOMMIE> is that normal?
[22:23] <guntbert> T3CHKOMMIE: depends on the machines and on the network, you can enable compression though
[22:24] <T3CHKOMMIE> guntbert, it looks like it is working. very slowly. i clicked on a yes/no box and its taking about 2 minutes and nothing else has popped up. does that sound about right?
[22:25] <guntbert> T3CHKOMMIE: as I said, it can happen, but try to enable compression
[22:25] <T3CHKOMMIE> can i enable compression on the fly or should i kill the command and start the seesion over again=?
[22:29] <T3CHKOMMIE> guntbert, i would give you some gold stars if i could. thanks for helping me figure that out. it has taking me months to finally get it working! thanks!
[22:30] <guntbert> T3CHKOMMIE: glad to help - have fun :-)
[22:33] <T3CHKOMMIE> guntbert compression helped out aLOT!!!
[22:52] <hallyn> Daviey: so the poster rolled their own for bug 746152.  Don't know how that should be classified.  (not 'fix released')
[22:55] <hallyn> kim0: thanks for drafting the trusted cloud blueprint - great info in the whiteboard, too.
[22:55] <kim0> hallyn: cool :)
[23:13] <jMCg> Hey folks, I've got a host with a number of KVMs running on it, and I'd like to use the Hosts firewall to protect all the guests. That firewall is currently ufw, and works perfectly in that it doesn't allow access to the guests.
[23:13] <jMCg> Rather than none, I'd like to have controlled/restricted access.
[23:16] <patdk-nb> you need to put the kvm's on a bridge interface
[23:16] <patdk-nb> and control routing from the host interface to the bridge
[23:16] <patdk-nb> done this many times, but I normally use shorewall to do it, instead of ufw and manual
[23:16] <patdk-nb> lots of examples on the shorewall website
[23:17] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: i can't reproduce your results on bug 760288
[23:17] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: yeah... we discovered that when installing with TestDrive the installation ends up with 533M, and when using virt-manager is less than 500
[23:18] <hallyn> i was just using kvm
[23:18] <jMCg> hallyn: not a big fan of shorewall.
[23:18] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: that's weird then... jamespage also found the same as me. Installing with TestDrive results oversized
[23:18] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: i've not tried testdrive
[23:18] <patdk-nb> you don't have to be a fan, to get ideas on how to get it setup from the examples :)
[23:18] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: should we refile it as a bug against testdrive then?
[23:19] <patdk-nb> installing jeos in vmware was 532megs for me also
[23:19] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: ^^
[23:19]  * hallyn frowns
[23:19] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: i don't really think is TestDrive but rather something else...
[23:19] <hallyn> what is the size of your /lib/modules?
[23:19] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: could it be something with the type of disk image?
[23:20] <hallyn> it could...
[23:20] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: let me check
[23:20] <hallyn> you are giving the result of 'df -h' right?
[23:20] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: yes
[23:21] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: we could just compare results of 'du -sh /*' and walk down the tree to find the disrepancies, if you have a few minutes?
[23:21] <hallyn> patdk-nb: or you
[23:21] <patdk-nb> mine was df -h
[23:21] <patdk-nb> I can't access it from here at the moment :(
[23:21] <patdk-nb> I know the /lib/modules was small, like 26megs I think
[23:22] <hallyn> patdk-nb: thanks  (mine was 22M)
[23:22] <patdk-nb> hallyn, going off memory :)
[23:22] <patdk-nb> so don't quote me :)
[23:23] <patdk-nb> but it was in the 2x range
[23:23] <hallyn> close enough on tax day
[23:24] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: http://me.roaksoax.com/results.png -> du -sh /* results
[23:27] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: same as mine.  makes no sense.  (add those up :)
[23:27] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: oh, df -h /boot?
[23:27] <hallyn> and, i guess, cat /proc/swaps?
[23:28] <hallyn> nm on swaps
[23:29] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: ext4fs, and you chose non-lvm?
[23:30] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: http://me.roaksoax.com/results2.png
[23:30] <patdk-nb> mine, I do 8gig drive, guided partition, no lvm
[23:31] <hallyn> well, i did a 2G raw partition.  RoAkSoAx is doing 5.5G.  I wonder if its' all metadata
[23:31] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: can you try to reproduce with a 2G root?  I'll try with a 6G
[23:31] <patdk-nb> might be
[23:31] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: ok will do with a 2g
[23:32] <patdk-nb> I only do 8gig cause that is vmware default :)
[23:32] <hallyn> mind you i'm running a server iso grabbed today, so it's possible it's just that the bug has been fixed ;)
[23:32] <hallyn> but let's try this for kicks
[23:32] <RoAkSoAx> ok, downloading ISO now
[23:34] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: might indeed be the disk size as the one that I'm installing with virt-manager is with a 2G disk, while TestDrive is a 6G disk
[23:45] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: CONFIRMED
[23:46] <hallyn> (sorry, little blakes7 zen moment)
[23:46] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: so it is metadata then
[23:47] <hallyn> if i knew a lick about ext4 (other than to avoid it) i'd know how to double-check
[23:47] <RoAkSoAx> heheh
[23:47] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: 'du -shx /' gives me 394M
[23:48] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: maybe that is how we should have people check, rather than using df -h
[23:48] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: yeah I think that the test case should probably be updated then
[23:48] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: ^^
[23:50] <hggdh> hallyn: and what does 'df -h' return?
[23:50] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: in my case 533M
[23:50] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: and 'du -shx'?
[23:50] <hggdh> the point is I would like to have both values from the same install
[23:51] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: 'du -shx /' returns  394
[23:51] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: tune2fs -l /dev/sda1...
[23:51] <hggdh> yeah
[23:51] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: yes, we will update the test to request 'du -shx'
 4 times as many inodes,
[23:53] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: hggdh : ok so the bug should be marked invalid?
[23:54] <hggdh> hallyn: yes, please mark it invalid. 'df -h' does have a large, er, error
[23:54] <hallyn> more than 10x as many blocks
[23:54] <hallyn> hggdh: (or we could mark it against e2fsutils :)
[23:56] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: you have that (updating the test case) under control?
[23:57] <hggdh> hallyn: I will check
[23:57] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: yeah I'm on it
[23:58] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: awesome, thanks
[23:58] <hallyn> all right i think i'm stopping for the day.  see ya'll tomorrow
[23:58] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: see ya


[04:33] <nerdistmonk> anyone awake?
[17:45] <knome> slickymaster, Unit193 pushed a branch that has preliminary support for epub creation of the docs


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[05:16] <Quintin> Any linux software for composing chiptunes??
[05:24] <holstein> hey Quintin
[05:25] <holstein> check out http://wootangent.net/category/music/tutorials/
[05:25] <holstein> that is [lsd] 's site from over in #opensourcemusicians
[06:47] <Quintin> What is best way to go from dosbox > an avi that I can work with in video editing?
[06:48] <holstein> hmmm
[06:48]  * holstein has no idea what is available in dosbox
[06:49] <holstein> can you recode it in VLC with dosbox?
[06:49] <holstein> what is the filetype right now?
[17:37] <crysaz> i have tracked my usb sound problem and i have found out, that udev detects it correctly, but somewhere in pulse probing it doesn't instal correctly
[17:37] <holstein> pulse?
[17:37] <crysaz> pulseaudio configures all alsa sinks
[17:37] <holstein> crysaz: JACK is what we use
[17:38] <holstein> if your looking for something to record with
[17:38] <holstein> if your just looking to route pulse audio for normal use, just use the internal card
[17:38] <holstein> the hassle is not worth the reward in that case
[17:39] <holstein> crysaz: i can help talk you through starting JACK if you want
[17:39] <crysaz> so there is a way to use usb-devices directly throug jack?
[17:40] <holstein> crysaz: assuming ALSA is seeing it correctly
[17:40] <crysaz> ... that's the problem
[17:40] <holstein> crysaz: in a terminal, run aplay -l
[17:40] <holstein> and arecord -l
[17:40] <crysaz> doesn't list it
[17:40] <holstein> id say you need to hack a bit more then
[17:40] <holstein> hmmm
[17:41] <crysaz> alsamixer says, it is a midi only sink
[17:41] <crysaz> or.. just midi
[17:41] <crysaz> but under /sys/something, i found probber pcm devices
[17:42] <holstein> you could try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6589810#post6589810
[17:42] <holstein> updated ALSA
[17:42] <holstein> you need to get ALSA talking to it
[17:42] <holstein> and then you can use JACK
[17:42] <holstein> BUT
[17:42] <holstein> i didnt see it at the ALSA site
[17:42] <holstein> i didnt see any pioneer gear listed
[17:43] <crysaz> :)  neither did i
[17:44] <holstein> call up pioneer ;)
[17:44] <holstein> that'll be a fun call
[17:44] <crysaz> that doesn't meen that you can't get it working :)
[17:45] <holstein> if it were me, id probably just route from the headphone out on the sound card
[17:45] <holstein> to the mixer
[17:45] <holstein> and call it a day
[17:45] <crysaz> nooooooo!
[17:45] <crysaz> that hurts my dignity
[17:45] <holstein> hehe
[17:46] <holstein> let me know how it goes
[17:46]  * holstein gotta run for a bit
[17:46] <holstein> good luck :)
[17:46] <crysaz> thanks
[19:19] <hyperactivecro-1> which package provides the alsa driver snd_asihpi
[19:39] <crysaz> hyperactivecro-1: google claims, that the regular linux-ubuntu-modules-<version> should cover it
[22:01] <holstein> hey hyperactivecro-1
[22:01]  * holstein is not sure about that
[22:02] <holstein> what are you trying to accopmlish?
[22:02] <holstein> i linked this earlier
[22:02] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6589810#post6589810
[22:02] <holstein> how to updated ALSA
[22:02] <holstein> OH
[22:02] <holstein> i see crysaz 's response :)
[22:20] <rebirth> hi, my maudio ozone (usb external sound device) is no longer showing up
[22:26] <holstein> rebirth: what did you break ;)
[22:27] <holstein> hehe... did you update something?
[22:40] <hyperactivecro-1> holstein: hey
[22:40] <hyperactivecro-1> yeah that package doesn't exist
[22:41] <hyperactivecro-1> i'm trying to get an Audio Science asi6585 card working with ALSA.
[22:41] <holstein> hmmm
[22:43] <holstein> i assume this is where you found that info
[22:43] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-asihpi
[22:44] <holstein> i think it would be worth updating ALSA
[22:44] <holstein> thats easy enough
[22:45] <holstein> and shouldnt screw up anything that you would do after that
[22:46] <hyperactivecro-1> holstein: ok i'll give that a shot.
[22:47] <holstein> if its on that list, i would think its do-able
[22:47] <holstein> i'll poke around a bit too later
[22:47]  * holstein has a meeting in a bit...
[23:23] <hyperactivecro-1> holstein: that fixed it thanks :)
[23:23] <holstein> SWEET :)
[23:24] <hyperactivecro-1> holstein: if you're curious it's for our college radio station for streaming
[23:24] <hyperactivecro-1> the asi6585 pulls in multicast LiveWire IP Audio Streams
[23:24] <holstein> hyperactivecro-1: check out http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/ if you get a chance
[23:24] <holstein> hyperactivecro-1: thats a great use
[23:24] <holstein> looks like a nice piece of gear
[23:25] <holstein> hyperactivecro-1: is there a break-out box?
[23:25] <holstein> or a cable that sticks out with in's and outs?
[23:25] <hyperactivecro-1> holstein: not on the 6585. just an ethernet jack
[23:25] <hyperactivecro-1> though iirc there is a port for one but we don't use it
[23:25] <holstein> nice