[03:37] <khm> Debate between Christianity and Islam :(Is the Bible God's Word?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlA22NNFlDw -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:11] <bkerensa> =/
[05:27] <elky> seems to have done it to all the channels
[19:03] <broder> so...no dmb meeting then?
[19:04] <cody-somerville> One moment.
[19:05] <cody-somerville> bdrung, Laney, micahg, tumbleweed: ping
[19:06] <bdrung> pong
[19:06]  * micahg is here
[19:06] <tumbleweed> o/
[19:06] <Laney> hai
[19:06] <Laney> (somewhat)
[19:06] <cody-somerville> Perfect. Looks like we have quorum.
[19:06] <cody-somerville> #startmeeting
[19:06] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jan  2 19:06:58 2012 UTC.  The chair is cody-somerville. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[19:07] <cody-somerville> #topic Review of previous action items
[19:07] <cody-somerville> #subtopic cody-somerville to write some documentation on how to endorse someone
[19:08] <cody-somerville> I have a draft prepared and will be sending it to DMB mailing list today.
[19:08] <cody-somerville> #topic stgraber to create desktop-extra set
[19:08] <cody-somerville> stgraber is absent, will carry action item
[19:09] <cody-somerville> #topic bdrung to talk to the TB about harmonising DMB members' expiration dates for easier restaffing
[19:09] <cody-somerville> bdrung, you have the floor :)
[19:10] <bdrung> sorry, i haven't asked the TB yet
[19:11] <cody-somerville> Acked. Action carried.
[19:12] <cody-somerville> #topic MOTU Applications: Mahyuddin Susanto
[19:12] <cody-somerville> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MahyuddinSusanto/MOTUApplication
[19:12] <cody-somerville> udienz, Hello. Could you please indicate you're present by introducing yourself and your application?
[19:12] <udienz> Sure
[19:13] <udienz> My name is Mahyuddin Susanto, i'm 26 Indonesian.
[19:13] <udienz> I have been contributing to universe for almost a year, i started contributing to Ubuntu when binutils-gold transitions.
[19:13] <udienz> I'm doing sync, merge, SRU in Ubuntu, perhaps over 100 packages have been uploaded.
[19:13] <udienz> In Debian, i stated at least 2 years but for packaging i have been started for a year. I'm Debian Maintainer and my QA page is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I have migrating proftpd/cacti/pdnsd from cdbs (pdnsd), dpatch (proftpd/cacti) to quilt. I'm not always use quilt but quilt is my best chioce for patching system.
[19:14] <udienz> I'm also packaging from strach in Ubuntu, named gkamus and aspell-id. All my packages in Debian (with co-maintained) easily sync from Debian.
[19:14] <udienz> .enough
[19:15] <Laney> why did you choose to package those things directly in Ubuntu?
[19:16] <udienz> Laney, it just technical problem. I've already RFS-ing both packages but i'm not got sponsorship in debian
[19:19] <Laney> ok
[19:19] <Laney> (stupid connection keeps hanging)
[19:20] <micahg> udienz: are you aware of the various freezes and what is appropriate to be uploaded during those times?
[19:21] <udienz> micahg, yes i aware, during FF i cannot import packages except those packages fixing bugs or really important
[19:22] <cody-somerville> udienz, How do you determine if its really important or not?
[19:22] <Laney> and who can you ask if unsure?
[19:22] <udienz> cody-somerville, depend on bug importance, effecting many users, security bug, ftbfs
[19:23] <udienz> Laney, if im unsure i'll ask in #ubuntu-motu first
[19:23] <udienz> or #ubuntu-devel
[19:24] <micahg> udienz: so, after feature freeze if a lot of users were requesting a new version of a program with new features, you'd upload it?
[19:25] <udienz> micahg, i;m not really sure, but if new upstream version fixing many important bug, i'll ask to other dev first rather than direct upload
[19:26] <udienz> *i'm not sure
[19:26] <tumbleweed> udienz: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce?
[19:27] <cody-somerville> udienz, What role does the release team play and how can they help you?
[19:27] <udienz> tumbleweed, yes, also #ubuntu-discuss, #ubuntu-motu
[19:27] <bdrung> udienz: he meant the mailing list, not irc channel
[19:28] <udienz> cody-somerville, during FF release team will five input wether package accepted or not
[19:28] <udienz> bdrung, sorry i mean list
[19:29] <udienz> s/ubuntu-discuss/devel-discuss
[19:30] <micahg> udienz: are you referring to Feature Freeze or Final Freeze when you say FF
[19:31] <cody-somerville> udienz, With your recent merge of laptop-mode-tools, could you explain why you decided to do a merge instead of a sync (maybe after trying to push the change upstream?): https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/laptop-mode-tools/1.60-1ubuntu1
[19:32] <udienz> micahg, Feature Freeze in first and Final Freeze while i answered cody-somerville. Sorry a little panic at here
[19:32] <cody-somerville> udienz, No need to panic. :)
[19:33] <udienz> cody-somerville, i forget about last change :(
[19:34] <cody-somerville> udienz, No problem. Good example of why its not a bad idea to note such reasons in the changelog - to make it easier to remember.
[19:35] <cody-somerville> Do any other members have questions before we proceed to vote?
[19:35] <tumbleweed> one quick one
[19:36] <tumbleweed> jdstrand's concerns were mostly about minor details such as checking the changelog and upload destination
[19:36] <tumbleweed> which file is a good one to quickly skim over before uploading?
[19:37] <udienz> tumbleweed, sorry. what is skim?
[19:38] <tumbleweed> to read quickly, to check for mistakes
[19:39] <udienz> tumbleweed, i think patch files and changelog (by read at debdiff)
[19:39] <tumbleweed> yes, that's a good idea, when it's short enough to be readable
[19:39] <tumbleweed> I also suggest looking at the .changes file, I sometimes notice that I forgot to close bugs, when I look at that
[19:40] <micahg> right, it lists as one of the lines in the .changes file all the bugs closed by the upload
[19:40] <micahg> udienz: have you ever file for a freeze exception and when do you think it's appropriate to do so?
[19:41] <micahg> *filed
[19:42] <udienz> micahg, i'm not remember but i haven't filed freeze exceptions. I think when the changes solved important bug. Like my statement before
[19:43] <micahg> udienz: have you read the documentation regarding freeze exceptions?
[19:44] <udienz> yes
[19:47] <cody-somerville> #vote MOTU Applications: Mahyuddin Susanto
[19:47] <meetingology> Please vote on: MOTU Applications: Mahyuddin Susanto
[19:47] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[19:49] <cody-somerville> bdrung is afk at the moment but has voted +1
[19:49] <tumbleweed> +1 [ and please ask the release team if you need any guidance during freezes ]
[19:49] <meetingology> +1 [ and please ask the release team if you need any guidance during freezes ] received from tumbleweed
[19:49] <cody-somerville> +1
[19:49] <meetingology> +1 received from cody-somerville
[19:50] <Laney> +1
[19:50] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[19:51] <micahg> +0 good work overall, but I'm a little concerned over freezes still (part of the difference between uploading to Ubuntu rather than Debian is knowing what's appropriate when as it comes up a lot more often)
[19:51] <meetingology> +0 good work overall, but I'm a little concerned over freezes still (part of the difference between uploading to Ubuntu rather than Debian is knowing what's appropriate when as it comes up a lot more often) received from micahg
[19:52] <cody-somerville> #endvote
[19:52] <meetingology> Voting ended on: MOTU Applications: Mahyuddin Susanto
[19:52] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[19:52] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:53] <cody-somerville> udienz, Congratulations. Welcome to MOTU.
[19:53] <udienz> Thanks cody-somerville, micahg, tumbleweed, Laney and bdrung!
[19:53] <Laney> congrats!
[19:54] <cody-somerville> #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications: Evan Broder
[19:54] <broder> o/
[19:54] <cody-somerville> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EvanBroder/CoreDevApplication
[19:54] <cody-somerville> broder, Please introduce yourself and your application.
[19:54] <broder> Hi folks. I'm Evan, and I'm applying for core dev. I've been contributing to Ubuntu since late 2008, and I've been a member of MOTU since late 2009
[19:54] <broder> I work a lot on backports and SRUs. I try to help with sponsorship as much as I can
[19:55] <broder> Past that it's a lot of pretty random stuff
[19:55] <broder> I started at a SF Bay Area startup about a year and a half ago, where I'm basically working on an Ubuntu derivative, which means that I get to spend even more time working on Ubuntu now
[19:56] <broder> I also setup http://lintian.ubuntuwire.org/ and have been working to improve it to make it more useful to Ubuntu
[19:56] <broder> .
[19:57] <cody-somerville> broder, Where do you see yourself in three years?
[20:00] <broder> Hmm, I'm not really sure. In terms of Ubuntu, I really value being a part of the developer community, and I don't think that's likely to change. I definitely feel like my involvement in the community is increasing over time, and I think it's possible that I'll hit the high point of that soon, but I don't expect to completely vanish
[20:02] <cody-somerville> broder, What do you feel is the most important quality of a strong leader?
[20:06] <broder> I think that leadership is about solving problems, whether those are at a technical level, or personal level, or whatever, so the most important thing is to be able to understand problems, and to be able to dig below the surface of problems
[20:10] <tumbleweed> I'm a bit afraid to poke your "what I like least about ubuntu" statements, as those are things we spend hours discussing over beer at every UDS
[20:12] <broder> I'll admit there that my thoughts in the area aren't quite as fully-baked as I'd like, but I still feel pretty strongly about the overall concept
[20:12] <tumbleweed> I think you may be right about putting more emphesis on the upstream and less on the gardening, but when we are all gardeners, that's hard
[20:12] <tumbleweed> I suppose I should do something about that "put project cleansweep jobs into the sponsorship queue" task...
[20:13] <broder> I'm not actually convinced that we're all gardeners, even if we're all garden*ing*. If you look at the people who are top contributors to the project, they're all very skilled developers and debuggers, too
[20:13] <tumbleweed> I guess so, and we aren't here for the gardening
[20:14] <broder> I do think there's an important side-point that we should be thinking as hard as we can on ways to automate or eliminate gardening
[20:15] <cody-somerville> broder, Where do you think time can be found to do upstream patch review?
[20:15] <micahg> well, I don't think it's something we can eliminate, but automation can certainly help
[20:17] <broder> cody-somerville: We've talked about incorporating operation cleansweep into the responsibilities of patch piloting. I think that's the obvious place to at least start
[20:18] <micahg> well, it's already part of patch piloting when people exhaust opportunities in the sponsorship queue
[20:18] <cody-somerville> Any additional questions?
[20:19] <broder> micahg: It's nominally part of patch piloting, but I don't think that's actually happened in practice. I think getting some items from cleansweep onto the sponsor queue is a prerequisite for that
[20:19] <micahg> broder: I've seen people reporting on it in their pilot reports to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:20] <bdrung> broder: you talked about automation. do you see any places where we could add automation?
[20:22] <broder> bdrung: Well, I guess one example could be the multiarch stuff. Based on my experiences multiarching the gtkmm stack, I think an initial attempt at multiarch-ification could be done by a script if it had enough awareness of common types of packaging, etc.
[20:22] <broder> Obviously the output would need to be sanity checked
[20:23] <micahg> if we could only get upstreams to stop hardcoding paths
[20:24] <cody-somerville> #vote Ubuntu Core Developer Applications: Evan Broder
[20:24] <meetingology> Please vote on: Ubuntu Core Developer Applications: Evan Broder
[20:24] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:24] <cody-somerville> +1
[20:24] <meetingology> +1 received from cody-somerville
[20:24] <tumbleweed> +1
[20:24] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[20:25] <micahg> +1 good packaging work, good project leadership
[20:25] <meetingology> +1 good packaging work, good project leadership received from micahg
[20:25] <bdrung> +1
[20:25] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[20:25] <cody-somerville> Laney provides +1
[20:25] <micahg> stgraber did as well IIRC
[20:25] <cody-somerville> stgraber provides +1
[20:25] <cody-somerville> #endvote
[20:25] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ubuntu Core Developer Applications: Evan Broder
[20:25] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:25] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:26] <micahg> broder: congrats
[20:26] <broder> Thanks everybody :-D
[20:26] <cody-somerville> broder, Congratulations. Welcome to Core Dev.
[20:26] <cody-somerville> broder, If you have any questions about your new responsibilities, please don't hesitate to get in contact with the DMB or a fellow core developer.
[20:26]  * broder nods
[20:26] <cody-somerville> Anyhow, that, I believe, concludes today's meeting.
[20:26] <bdrung> broder: congrats
[20:27] <micahg> cody-somerville: oh, laney also gave a +1 for broder :)
[20:28] <micahg> ah, you included that
[20:28]  * micahg needs caffeine
[20:28] <cody-somerville> #endmeeting
[20:28] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jan  2 20:28:12 2012 UTC.
[20:28] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-02-19.06.moin.txt
[20:28] <cody-somerville> Thank you folks! Look for meeting minutes and changes in launchpad later today.
[20:28] <udienz> broder: Congrats!
[20:28] <broder> udienz: thanks, same to you
[22:09] <stgraber> cody-somerville: I created the package set during our last meeting and then updated it based on jbicha's e-mail (that I Cced to the mailing-list), so I guess we can drop that action ;)


 @MichaelTun, @exar_kun are we going to do shownotes?  I said 'not possible' but maybe you are able?  :)
 If someone else wants to write them from the audio and send to us, be our guest! ;)
 we will happily post
 That's disappointing. Alright then
 @wayneoutthere, Need more help from people out there for the Q&A first then I will have more time to do other things
[07:57] <ubptgbot> Ina was added by: Ina
 so, how's the performance of Unity8 on desktop, nowdays?
 @wayneoutthere, I don't know how pactical it is for you but if you upload the show to youtube you can get their speech recgnition transcription. It isn't amazing and would probably need correcting but it might be a shortcut to getting the show transcribed.
 Fwd from abdullahcok: hi everyone
 Fwd from abdullahcok: How to solve this problem?
 (Photo, 620x648) https://irc.ubports.com/CsXog6sF.png
 (Photo, 138x141) https://irc.ubports.com/J7mdAVrb.png
 it's been solved.
[11:36] <ubptgbot> Daniel Karpiński was added by: Daniel Karpiński
 Hi, any progess made on the 16.04 backlog? Thanks
 @Xenial, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/milestone/7
 Hi everyone, how to make application can got live notification just like this telegram app?
 https://docs.ubuntu.com/phone/en/platform/guides/push-notifications-server-guide
 @unknown, But note notifications should be sent to push.ubports.com and not push.ubuntu.com
 Can I try devices branch of Ubuntu 16.04 based ubports touch? I own bq e5 hd.
 Are data and phone calls working?
 @unknown, Thank u
[14:35] <ubptgbot> Noe_hdht was added by: Noe_hdht
 Welcome @Noe_hdht
 Yes, welcome @Noe_hdht and also Kurt and I think also H  … If you have not already seen our welcome page, please do, and let us know if we can help! Have a great time in our community :)  https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[14:40] <ubptgbot> Miguel Pires was added by: Miguel Pires
 Hello Miguel and welcome.  This is where all things Ubuntu Touch happen (and more).  Here is a page to get you started and let me know if we can help.  https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @wayneoutthere beated me to it..
 Miguel I supose you also speak portuguese
[14:44] <ubptgbot> <Miguel Pires> Yap
 no rules against welcoming someone twice! it shows that there are 1300 people not 3 ;)
 Did anyone notice we are 7 people away from 1300? :-0
 I haven't
 well. do it.
 notice.
 feel it
 @Yance, Thanks om
 Mantau dulu
 Cari ilmu
 😂
 Totally!
 I hope we reach 1300 before Tiago finishes editing the podcast
 I stated we were already 1300
 hahah
 about 2 per day
 mimimum
 maximum 4 days wait probably 2
[14:53] <ubptgbot> <Miguel Pires> Loool
 @Yance, really, this is something that is implemented server side, and not on the application side. on the application side, you just get the push token, and then hand it off to your server, for sending the notifications
 but most web services are not interested in supporting ubuntu push notifications :-/
 @dohbee, very sad
 @Yance, yep, but it is what it is
 and also why cannonical abandon this platform?
 this was already explained by Canonical
 although, this platform more better in this community
 they were'nt making money wiht it
 and they want to do an ICO
 [Edit] and they want to do an IPO
 they can't justify to share holders doing something like this
 wihtout knowing if they're ever going to make money with this
 and if it's unlikely to make lots of money because of android and iOS
 worse, with knowing they are never going to make money
 that's your opinion
 I think it had fair chance of doing some
 anyway
 we will never know
 Not mine, shuttleworth's. It's his money that was pissing off.
 shutleworth never said that
 so don't put words in his mouth
 It wasn't a quote. no " "
 He put money for years in Ubuntu that for a long time wasn't profitable.
 Canonical weren't going for an IPO then.
 yes they were
 this was a result of a report that orderered to prepare for IPO
 I just assume that at some point there's a limit not to be exceeded.
 @DiogoConstantino, No, I meant, not for all the years prior to this that he put money in Ubuntu for years. I was reacting to @libremax's comment
 It's why I believe it was no more sustainable
 @libremax, The irony is that they had hoped that it would get a lot of community involvement. The lack thereof forced their hand (among other things a mentioned by @DiogoConstantino). But now that they 'abandoned' the platform the community has embraced it like never before.
 There is not a big choice for those who need a free/libre mobile OS...
 There is not really a big choice for prorpietrary mobile OS's either ... Seems like two is about as much as the market can hold.
 Also, from the start UT was never a solid alternative. Most of the reviews were bad. Yeah, canonical was pushing forward the linux on mobile, but in the end the quality of the product didn't convinced as they thought
 The reviews were bad because it was marketed as a production ready OS, which clearly it wasn't.
 In my experience it was a much better tablet OS than phone OS at that point.
 And I'm ubuntu touch user since 2015. But, I can't recommend UT atm for mt family or close friends
 In commercial world, for global consummer market, big compagnies with shareholders cannot accept to be no 3, it's not making enough money
 It's okay as a community project. It has potential, and I hope it fulfill its potential but I don't see it happen in short term. It will take years, and UBports will have to grow in human resources
 I also use UT since 2015 and  don't need more than what I already have.
 And thousands of people may be in the same situation
 The only thing I am really missing is WhatsApp to keep in contact with my family. (And no, they will not switch to telegram)
 as long as the adventure continues
 They don't need to switch, just add telegram
 In my case, I can't connect by Bluetooth with my car. I's the only thing.
 Change your car😄
 Or the old E4.5
 I don't think there's much progress for the bluetooth stach even with 16.04
 [Edit] I don't think there's much progress for the bluetooth stack even with 16.04
 16.04 is still very rough around the edges. I installed it on my M10 FHD. Had it on fornhalf a day before i went running back to 15.04 OTA-3
[17:11] <ubptgbot> <Jimmie Johnsson> Anyone built the terminal app outside of qt creator? Dont really feel like installing it and I dont think I really need to. Im able to build it using just cmake and make but the built app (naturally) wants me to have MIR running. I figured I could just set the right architecture and build it and create a click package. Is it
[17:11] <ubptgbot>  a complicated thing to do?
 @dohbee, should what it is stay what it is or should it is what it is change to it won't be what it is?  That is the question. :)
[17:25] <ubptgbot> <Jimmie Johnsson> @ArubIslander have you tried LoquilM? Think it does whatsapp, have not tried it myself though
 Here is the conclusion to the Canonical discussion.  You can save this to your clipboards:  Canonical is a business.   Businesses make decisions - whether wrong or right - just like people.  On one hand, we can get angry at them for not supporting it, but on the other hand, we can thank them for the money and work they put in
[17:27] <ubptgbot> and for handing it all to us to use and promote and build.  I choose the latter position as well as most core people in UBports.  We are all very happy that we were able to start with such a great OS and that we can now make it free - the way it was supposed to be.
 @milkor73 Hi Milan I wonder why you chose to package Scratch as a .click web-app as it seems to still rely on flash technology, which isnt -and will probably never be- supported on UT. There was at one time talk of rebuilding scratch based on HTML5 but this doesnt seem to be that. Am I missing something?
 @ArubIslander, It wasn't though. The retail devices were all marketed explicitly to developers, and were limited production runs. Exactly to control the market in a way suitable for growth and development of the platform.
[17:51] <ubptgbot> marc_rodrigues was added by: marc_rodrigues
 I agree fully with @wayneoutthere
 @wayneoutthere, What I think should happen is irrelevant to what actually happens.
 and wen I talk with Canonical and former Canonical employees I always get the feeling or the explicit statemente they are amazed and like what we're doing here
 @Jimmie Johnsson, terminal app will run ok under x11. not sure what you did, but mir is not explicitly required by it, afaik
 This was not an happy decision for Canonical and for it's people
 @Jimmie Johnsson, Yes I have tried it in the past. But it never really worked for me.
 @DiogoConstantino, This much is true.
 @dohbee, Then it is the market perception that could have been managed better. Somewhere along the line the expectation arose that it sgould have been further along than it was.
 (Sticker, 512x258) https://irc.ubports.com/DATILy2c.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/x9U0UB9C.webp
 I am not bashing Canonical, mind you. I ubderstand the reasons for their course of action. And I do appreciate how hard the decision was
 @ArubIslander, This happens with all things though. "it should have been managed better."  Such perceptions are going to happen, especially when your customers are more hopeful than customers of other projects, for example.
 Obviously dropping UT was not a easy decision and we have to thank Canonical for doing the first hard job
 @sbjabire, Please sorry for this mistake.
 @sbjabire, you can remove messages 😉
 It refused to give me the option to delete from the group.
[18:16] <Beton> is there any way to hard switch to desktop/mobile mode? I have bluetooth mouse that disconnects after 30s not moved, and then my tablet switch back to mobile mode, when I move/click mouse, it connects, and tablet switch to desktop mode. This happpens over and over when I'm using tablet, and it's very annoying ;/
 @Beton, the switch in the session indicator perhaps?
[18:19] <ubptgbot> <Jimmie Johnsson> @dohbee, yeah it did run, complains about some missing qt stuff. But Im really mainly interested in building so I can run it on the phone rather then the desktop anyway. Having a bit of trouble with that
 @sbjabire, very strange...😳
 @Jimmie Johnsson, well you just need to cross compile, and i guess create a click. take a look at clickable perhaps if you don't want the full sdk with qtcreator
 @Jimmie Johnsson, I just gave a look at terminal-app, and the Clickable manifest was missing a build dependency. I've pushed a commit in the UBports repo, now the app can be built and run on desktop using `clickable --desktop`.
[18:20] <Beton> @dohbee, switching to desktop in settings or UT Tweak Tool doesn't helps, it seems that auto-switching remains enabled
 @sbjabire, With rigth click on the message and the "Delete Message" ?
[18:21] <ubptgbot> <Jimmie Johnsson> @sverzegnassi, Thanks, I'll give it a try. I figured it might be a good starting thing to try and fix add that setting I reported in.
 @sbjabire, [Edit] With rigth click on the message and then "Delete Message" ?
 @libremax, Sorry, I'm using a handset. It sometimes behave that way.  And sorry for the misleading info on GitHub. We've planned to update core apps documentation during this weekend, that's why Clickable is not mentioned yet in the readme
 @Jimmie Johnsson, Great! :D
[18:32] <ubptgbot> <Jimmie Johnsson> @sverzegnassi  Cool, I like the clickable tool. Its very easy to use. I will give it a try, no promise I will fix it though - my girlfriend is already looking strangely at me for spending hours on hours on ubuntu touch programming stuff after sitting 8 hours in the office coding for the man :)
 Hah, always the same story. Let me know if you need anything. Thanks again
[18:49] <ubptgbot> MrMishraJi was added by: MrMishraJi
 @matv1, Hi Mathijs, thanks for info. Did not know. Yes there is an effort to bring to UT safe and learning stuff and environment for kids. Maybe not the right way with scratch to be as it is based on flash. Shame, any idea, inspiration?
 @dohbee, for once we can fully understand each other ;)
 @Michele, i thought it looked pretty.  i don't know what it means but it looks nice ;)
 @wayneoutthere, Maybe I've been binge watching too much Andromeda
 could be... no...i figured it out.  someone switched the mushrooms in our stirfry
 Hello @MrMishraJi and @marc_rodrigues !  Welcome to the team.  Enjoy the community and don't hesitate to ask if you need anything>  This link will help you get started: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Thanks @wayneoutthere -  I'm following the forums for quite a while and in fact I have a whole bunch of questions and won't hesitate to ask them here or over at ubports. Thanks for the warm welcome.
 ask away
 @sbjabire, Those curves :p
 @dohbee, Downloading Andromeda
 @HelloBug, Pay for it.
 @dohbee, Sorry... I am a pirate.  When I can afford some...  I have about 8 nice pipes from my grandpa
 OT!
 @wayneoutthere, My grandpa never gave me his pipes 😣😣
[21:17] <ubptgbot> Mokmeister was added by: Mokmeister
 do you drink rum? have a wooden leg? a large sailboat?
 @dohbee, i want to be a sailor
 Hi guys, I've just installed the ubports installer, trying to flash a bq10 fhd to latest image, I just keep getting to a screen in the installer saying please reboot to bootloader. When I reboot to bootloader, I see at the bottom of the screen on the bq10 "=>FASTBOOT mode..." And that's as far as I get. Any hints and tips?
 @vanyasem, tailer soldier spy! :)
 @Mokmeister, plz join our welcome room
 @WelcomePlus
 it's a place for installation issues
 Thanks Ivan
 @milkor73, Hi and first of all I really appreciate the effort to bring something like this to UT. Well as I mentioned, there was an effort to move Scratch away form Flash. But it seemed to have ground to a halt last time i looked. However, looking again after noticing your effort, things seem to be moving again. It is still a pr
[21:22] <ubptgbot> eview but seems to be usable, having given it a rwally quick spin just now. The Github repo is here  https://github.com/LLK/scratch-gui and the actual thing is here https://preview.scratch.mit.edu/
 other then that, what I have found is that good quality foss programming apps for kids are not readily available unfortunately
 One last thought: I know that Michael Hall from Canonical (although i am not sure if he survived there after ditching Unity8) was involved a lot in programming for kids. If anyone knows what is around thats any good, it be him.
 he is mhall119 on IRC
 I remember Qemu, a distro aimed at kids that Michael Hall was involved in. It was XFCE + Ubuntu + loads of kids apps. It was quite good at the time
 Michael Hall now works for Endless AFAIK
 as the community manager methinks
 I think you mean Qimo
 Oops, you're probably right, has been a long time since I installed, and a long time since it was available (IIRC it was based off 12.04, maybe 10.04?)
 http://www.qimo4kids.com/
 @libremax, Nice one Libremax. My kids were just about the right age to make use of it at time. I was sad to hear it was discontinued.
 Anyone knows where I can get the today scope with day info? 😅
 @Helium, it's contained within a few projects on launchpad.net
 i don't think all the scopes it pulled from were made public though
 I think we need t ogive some huge props to our translations teams for their thorough translation of the UBports Documentation. For example, Italian is very close to 100% (but I think it's short now becuase we mreged some changes today): https://docs.ubports.com/it/latest/porting/building-ubports-boot.html
 [Edit] I think we need to give some huge props to our translations teams for their thorough translation of the UBports Documentation. For example, Italian is very close to 100% (but I think it's short now becuase we mreged some changes today): https://docs.ubports.com/it/latest/porting/building-ubports-boot.html
[23:11] <ubptgbot> Xbdiddbjddb was added by: Xbdiddbjddb
 I am so excited to see a name I can finally pronounce, @Xbdiddbjddb !  I welcome you to the UBports community.  I'm not sure what ethnicity that name is but we have many languages to choose here: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome  Enjoy!
 ok
[23:28] <ubptgbot> dookain was added by: dookain
 How many to 1.3k?
 3
 😄seems like when I will wake up tomorrow it will reach it
 @wayneoutthere, 😝😝
 @wayneoutthere record it in your next *cast
 tooootally


[02:48] <bddebian> Boo
[02:49] <nixternal> Heya
[02:49] <bddebian> I'm soo confused :)
[02:50] <nixternal> hehe
[04:10] <TLE> Hey everybody. I'm trying to triage bug 72379. It should be really easy to confirm but I need a 64 bit installation to do it.
[04:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72379 in openoffice.org "Can't drag cells in OpenOffice.org Calc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72379
[04:11] <TLE> The bug is reported on a 64 bit edgy, the first time on an upgraded version from dapper and the second time installed from an alternate cd.
[04:12] <TLE> So it would be nice to test it with one of those options, but also just on a regular 64 edgy install.
[04:13] <TLE> So does anybody have like 2 minutes to spare ?
[04:14] <somerville32> I'm 32bit, sorry
[04:23] <TLE> Oh by the way I have a question. Can I have a bug assigned to med even though I'm not yet in the QA team ?
[04:36] <TLE> Oh never mind that, I just couldn't fint the function. It's all good now
[11:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> is debootstrap only working with ubuntu a bug or a feature?
[11:16] <lifeless> wrong channel
[11:17] <lifeless> thats a question for -devel or -motu
[11:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok, i'll try -motu, thanks
[11:28] <giskard> ciao
[01:27] <Hobbsee> palski: ping?
[01:47] <palski> Hobbsee: pong :)
[01:47] <Hobbsee> palski: heya.  youv'e got some patches on u-u-s that were incorrect, that you were going to fix.  have you done so yet?  :)
[01:48] <palski> hmmm, what patches?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> palski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/68442 for one
[01:50] <palski> was that incorrect?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> yeah, you're patching the source directly
[01:53] <palski> there was no patching system in that package
[01:53] <Hobbsee> add it
[01:53] <palski> well someone said that it should not be added
[01:54] <Hobbsee> not for a previous release, no
[01:54] <Hobbsee> but for the next ones...
[01:55] <Hobbsee> palski: was that the "dont change the build system for a stable release" discussion?
[01:57] <palski> Hobbsee: no, I added a patching system to some package (dont remember which) and somebody said I have to remove. Then I asked about this ubuntu open week and answer was that I should not add any patching system if the fix is simple.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hrm...
[01:57] <Hobbsee> i mean, once you have one patch, you tend to need another, etc
[02:00] <neutrinomass> can somebody please take a look at bug 77413 and see if it was rightly marked as a dupe ?
[02:00] <Hobbsee> bug 77413
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Seveas: looks like Ubugtu's dead
[02:01] <palski> Hobbsee: it was pitti who said that
[02:01] <palski> 20:36 < pitti> palski: if it's an one-line patch, the delta for the patch system would be much bigger than the patch itself
[02:02] <palski> 20:36 < pitti> i. e. harder to merge with Debian
[02:02] <palski> 20:36 < pitti> palski: but if there are more patches, or a larger one, then adding the three lines to debian/rules (plus the buid depdendency) can't hurt
[02:02] <Hobbsee> right, true
[02:03] <Hobbsee> it would...but i'd still consider it easier than modifying the source, then having to merge that....
[02:04] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: that shouldnt be a dupe
[02:05] <neutrinomass> Hobbsee: Thanks a lot... I was a bit reluctant to do that given it's my bug in the first place :)
[02:06] <Hobbsee> palski: have you sent that to the kopete-meanwhile guy?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> palski: my main concern is that that will be lost in merging, most likely
[02:06] <Hobbsee> where a patch is harder to miss
[02:08] <palski> Hobbsee: probably I haven't :(
[02:09] <Hobbsee> !revu
[02:09] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[02:15] <Hobbsee> !sru
[02:15] <ubotu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[02:16] <palski> Hobbsee: now I have
[02:16] <Hobbsee> palski: :)
[02:26] <dthacker> bug #77768
[02:29] <dthacker> Hi.  I'm leaning towards rejecting 77768 as a feature request.  Would someone take a peek and see if they agree?
[02:36] <neutrinomass> dthacker: Why do you want to reject it? Looks like a reasonable request ...
[02:37] <neutrinomass> dthacker: Unless you meant "tell the user to write a spec" .... a spec is probably not ideal for this as this concerns upstream stuff, not ubuntu-specific.... imho this should be forwarded to upstream beagle developers ...
[02:37] <dthacker> I ask because I'm new.  What criteria do you use to decide when a request should pass through?
[02:39] <dthacker> Should I ask him to open a bug upstream as well?
[02:39] <neutrinomass> dthacker: Well, generally it goes like: If this is something that is related to Ubuntu and not the upstream software, write a spec (this is usually the case when many upstream packages are affected in a similar way, when new software has to be written etc.). If it is a feature request about a specific package, then unless it's a  totally unreasonable request , let the upstream developers decide.
[02:40] <neutrinomass> dthacker: It would be better if you would forward it upstream (what's the point of users filing bugs in launchpad if we then have them report bugs upstream as well)..... if you can't be bothered, I'll do that for you :p
[02:42] <dthacker> no problem, I can get it forwarded.
[02:43] <neutrinomass> dthacker: Great!
[02:43] <palski> Hobbsee: and now the fix is in upstream developer source tree :)
[02:48] <Hobbsee> palski: woot :)  going to package the new version?
[02:50] <palski> He didn't say that
[02:57] <dthacker> neutrinomass: ping
[02:58] <neutrinomass> dthacker: at your service :-)
[03:00] <dthacker> I'm not sure how to fill in the "Add affected product to bug" section. Do I use the latest beagle in Feisty or what was in Edgy or .....?
[03:02] <neutrinomass> dthacker: In upstream bugzilla ?
[03:03] <dthacker> no, on malone.   I've opened http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392307 on upstream bugzilla already
[03:03] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 392307 in General "Beagle should not store indexes in users home directory" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[03:03] <neutrinomass> ahh ok
[03:03] <neutrinomass> "also affects upstream" -> product: beagle -> <add the link there>
[03:03] <neutrinomass> usually you don't need to enter the 'product' but in this case beagle apparently has not been registered with LP
[03:05] <dthacker> I'm getting the error the LP does not know beagle.  Is that ok?
[03:05] <neutrinomass> dthacker: yeah, I guess so...
[03:06] <ogra> are you at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug ? or whgere do you try to file it ?
[03:06] <ogra> beagle surely has a sourcepackage in ubuntu and thus should be foiund there
[03:06] <neutrinomass> ogra: adding an upstream task for beagle, which hasn't been registered with kp
[03:06] <ogra> *found
[03:06] <neutrinomass> *lp
[03:06] <ogra> right, first file an ubuntu bug and then add the task
[03:07] <ogra> (and connect it to an upstream bug or whatever you want)
[03:07] <dthacker> ah, there it is (via search) and I've attached correctly.
[03:07] <neutrinomass> dthacker: yep, it's ok :) well done !
[03:08] <dthacker> tnx
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hey ogra
[03:12] <dthacker> neutrinomass and ogra: tnx for your help
[04:00] <bddebian> Boo
[04:00] <marnanel> boo
[04:00] <ogra> bee
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77843 in hotkey-setup (main) "hotkeys not working on Samsung P10 laptop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77843
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77844 in kde-guidance (main) "displayconfig-restore.py can crash kde login with ZeroDivisionError" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77844
[08:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77847 in linux-meta (main) "kernel 2.6.20-3.4 not bootable on amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77847
[08:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77849 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "acx driver in feisty doesn't support wireless extensions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77849
[08:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69041 in beagle (main) "Beagle: German translation incomplete" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69041
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77850 in Ubuntu "Random White-Out after a few minutes of use (Feisty Herd 1)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77850
[08:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77852 in gossip-telepathy (universe) "No desktop file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77852
[08:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77851 in gnome-launch-box (universe) "crash when typing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77851
[08:47] <yuriy> ping sfllaw
[08:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75408 in gdm (main) "Stopping GDM - Could spy the root password" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75408
[08:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76361 in Ubuntu "KDE minipager not saving settings " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76361
[08:58] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77854 in hal (main) "Feiya DAP not recognized as DAP" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77854
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77855 in silky (universe) "silky does not respond" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77855
[09:12] <Seveas> sfllaw, this time backlog won't be displayed in the channel - launchpad broke ubugtu
[09:13] <Seveas> but new bug reports are flowing in again
[09:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77857 in Ubuntu "no floppy in the drive crashed installer (grub-install fd0)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77857
[09:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77858 in foff (universe) "Crash when changing to folder" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77858
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77859 in firefox (main) "Firefox: saved passwords causes crash with Mailman admin page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77859
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77860 in Ubuntu "no updates  no repositories" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77860
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77861 in kdesvn (universe) "libsvnqt2 is not in the repository, but kdesvn depends on it." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77861
[09:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77862 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "program crash on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77862
[09:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77863 in ubiquity "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77863
[09:59] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77864 in Ubuntu "theme crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77864
[10:03] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77865 in gcc-4.1 (main) "-nostdlib should imply -fno-stack-protector" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77865
[10:03] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77866 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "BUG: scheduling while atomic: hald-addon-stor/" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77866
[10:07] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:07] <Nafallo> looks like a bug I've had.
[10:07] <Nafallo> have even
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77867 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "ACPI: EC: evaluating _Q09 spam in dmesg" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77867
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77868 in Ubuntu "QTDIR not set properly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77868
[10:35] <sfllaw> Seveas: Hurray!
[10:35] <sfllaw> Seveas: Thanks for your update.
[10:39] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77869 in Ubuntu "no menu icon for basket application" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77869
[10:53] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77870 in gnash (universe) "GNASH SEGFAULT in Firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77870
[11:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77871 in Ubuntu "[Sync request] Sync sonata from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77871
[11:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77872 in apport (main) "apport-gtk crash (on_button_reportbug_clicked)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77872
[11:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77873 in speedcrunch (main) "Speedcrunch segfault after equal, backspace, evaluate, operator" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77873
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77874 in frozen-bubble (universe) "After Update, Program Crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77874
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77875 in kdeadmin (main) "ksysv "start at boot" does not know about rcS.d" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77875
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77876 in python2.4 (main) "Python 2.4 crash when run Bittornado" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77876
[11:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77879 in glibc (main) "iconv man page is not formatted properly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77879
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77881 in samba (main) "Samba 3.023d installs on Feisty, but NO smbmount no smbclient" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77881