[00:16] <rick_h_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ra9n_nAzHys kind of cool
[00:17] <snap-l> Ok, splitting the difference and releasing a long-awaited Instrumetalcast. :)
[00:35] <snap-l>  FFS
[00:35] <snap-l> Band that I put into the next OMC doesn't have their music on Jamendo any more.
[00:35] <snap-l> I really hate it when that happens.
[01:03] <snap-l> Oh well, going with another instrumental piece. :)
[01:03] <snap-l> their loss
[01:22] <jjesse> yay?
[01:22] <snap-l> Already fixed the episode
[01:22]  * snap-l doesn't fuck around when it comes to your listening pleasure. :)
[02:03] <jjesse> quiet night
[02:06] <snap-l> Permission granted to enjoy the latest Open Metalcast Instrumetalcast: http://ur1.ca/6ife2
[03:38] <snap-l> WTF? http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/n5hw4/jquery_plugins_site_accidentally_deleted_last/
[04:01] <Blazeix> whoa, ouch.
[05:05] <snap-l> Blazeix: Yeah, that's pretty stupid.
[05:11] <Blazeix> the blog post is trying a little too hard to spin it as a fresh opportunity
[05:11] <Blazeix> though it does get rid of a lot of kludgy code.
[05:18] <snap-l> WEll, to be fair, it gets rid of all of the code
[05:19] <snap-l> It'd be like SF.net saying they accidentally blew away all of the projects, and oh damn"
[05:23] <Blazeix> someone in the comments raised the point that most of the good plugins are already on github :)
[05:24] <snap-l> Well, if they're smart, that's not the only place they put their plugin
[05:26] <snap-l> and if not, well, there's the saying about two birds, one stone.
[12:03] <rick_h_> morning
[12:22] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning
[12:52] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:53] <brousch> yessir
[12:54] <brousch> i did wii fit this morning. it kicked my ass
[12:54] <brousch> the boy woke me up at 5:15 so i figured what the heck
[12:55] <snap-l> Awesome
[12:57] <brousch> it had been 1079 days and i had gained 11lbs since my last usage
[12:59] <snap-l> Wow
[13:02] <brousch> yeah, not good
[13:04] <brousch> but the way my limbs are aching this will be a good compliment to the exercise bike
[13:41] <Wolfger> morning
[13:41] <Wolfger> GOOD morning, even
[13:42] <Wolfger> brousch: See? You've become wii unfit. Need to keep wiiing
[13:42] <brousch> indeed
[13:43] <brousch> i ran out of good coffee so i used a packed in the freezer that was from a vacation a year ago. it is making my face twitch
[14:26] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/tv/view/7237/slayer-angel-of-death-smooth-rock-version
[14:28] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/tv/view/7722/real-polish-political-ad-with-death-metal
[14:42]  * rick_h_ checks verizon website is last ditch hope that I can run out at lunch...
[14:42] <rick_h_> and fail...
[14:43] <brousch> 15th
[14:43] <Wolfger> this is just kind of sickening: http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/09/justice/california-pepper-spray-suspect/index.html
[14:43] <brousch> or you can drive to canada and get it now
[14:43] <rick_h_> canada, europe, anywhere else really
[14:43] <rick_h_> rare that the US is the LAST place to get a device
[14:44] <snap-l> rick_h_: Theyre doing this just to piss you off. :)
[14:45] <rick_h_> snap-l: I suspect as much
[15:20] <rick_h_> oh @#$#@, ran up to my little verizon store
[15:20] <rick_h_> just to check/in case
[15:20] <rick_h_> and sure enough, she tells me she got in trouble for selling 3 of their 4 phones to people yesterday when she wasn't supposed to
[15:20] <snap-l> Bingo
[15:21] <rick_h_> there's one left, and I can put a hold on it if her boss says it's ok when he comes in later today
[15:21] <brousch> did you beat her up and take the 4th?
[15:21] <rick_h_> but she can't give it to me
[15:21] <rick_h_> I'll have ot wait until the official release date, which she says is now supposed to be next thurs
[15:21] <rick_h_> so 3 bastards in my area have my phone!
[15:21] <Wolfger> track them down
[15:22] <rick_h_> yea, I think I'll do that instead of work today
[15:22] <rick_h_> beat them up and take thier lunch money
[15:22] <Wolfger> tell them you are from the store, and that you need to repossess the phone until the official release date
[15:22] <rick_h_> yea, she says her boss didn't make her ask the people to bring the phone back
[15:22] <Wolfger> then on that day, pick up yours and give it to them
[15:23] <Wolfger> perfect
[15:23] <rick_h_> damn, so if only I'd gone up there yesterday vs today ... *sigh*
[15:23] <rick_h_> always a day late, dollar short
[15:23] <Wolfger> hopefully at least 1 out of 3 is gullible
[15:23] <brousch> rick_h_: i think you just didn't flirt enough
[15:24] <rick_h_> brousch: tempted...but not worth the phone
[15:24] <rick_h_> sorry, even I have limits
[15:25] <Wolfger> rofl
[15:26] <snap-l> What you call limits, I call "no phone"
[15:26] <rick_h_> snap-l: lol, yes
[15:26] <Wolfger> just whip out the wallet and say "how much is it worth to you to get into trouble with your boss again?"
[15:58] <rick_h_> lol http://i.imgur.com/omJ2j.jpg
[16:11] <snap-l> rick_h_: Hah. :)
[16:40] <dzho> heh
[16:40] <brousch> hoh
[16:41] <rick_h_> hih
[16:42] <brousch> http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/231963/linux-mint-diverts-banshee-revenue
[16:42] <rick_h_> lol
[16:44] <rick_h_> wow, gotta love how this guy can pick his works carefully there
[17:04] <Wolfger> huh
[17:04] <rick_h_> "We didn't take Banshee's revenue split, we just changed the canonical setting over to us. So it's us vs canonical, not us vs banshee"
[17:06] <snap-l> Oh FFS
[17:09] <greg-g> ugh is right
[17:10] <snap-l> Way to pick the sbab, Mint.
[17:10] <snap-l> scab, even
[17:10] <snap-l> Also, looking on a web conference at someone's outlook window with the ribbon
[17:10] <snap-l> holy shit, that's ugly
[18:03] <snap-l> so, how's the afternoon so far?
[18:04] <rick_h_> ugh, case of the friday's
[18:04] <snap-l> Fire drill friday?
[18:05] <Wolfger> aside from expanding one pant size, it's been a good day.
[18:05] <Wolfger> all-day pot luck holiday feast at work
[18:06] <Wolfger> plus a bonus P2 ticket :-p
[18:07] <snap-l> Wolfger: Oh, I loved the potlucks at Chrysler
[18:08] <snap-l> only benefit of working there: Hellaciously good INdian food
[18:50] <rick_h_> yay! http://techcrunch.com/2011/12/09/hp-to-keep-webos-alive-by-making-it-open-source/
[18:58] <brousch> oooh
[18:58] <snap-l> rick_h_: That's the best news re: WebOS since the tablet fire sale
[18:59] <rick_h_> yea, I'm stoked again, I know it won't happen
[18:59] <rick_h_> but damn if it wouldn't be perfect if Mozilla would pick it up and make it the mobile platform mozilla is working on
[18:59] <rick_h_> so much already done and mozilla backing would make sure it lived and didn't die off
[19:00] <rick_h_> web + web ftw
[19:00] <brousch> imagine if we could install it on android phones
[19:00] <rick_h_> exactly!
[19:01] <rick_h_> it can't be much beyond hardware drivers/etc
[19:01] <rick_h_> which is a lot, dont' get me wrong
[19:01] <brousch> well they're both linux at the core, so maybe some driver portability?
[19:03] <snap-l> It can't get much worse than it is now
[19:04] <snap-l> I mean, you're going from moribund to OSS
[19:08] <brousch> damn, now i want a touchpad
[19:08] <Wolfger> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/124265/android-is-100-linux-and-java-but-they-are-not-linux-and-java-what-are-they
[19:09] <snap-l> Wolfger: I swear on all that is holy, ... ;)
[19:10] <snap-l> First three words "My mistake steps:"
[19:10] <snap-l> This is going to be GOOOOOD.
[19:10] <Wolfger> LOL
[19:11] <snap-l> "First impression of Android as developer was always, like its Linux and Java" - Jesus tapdancing Christ, this post needs a helmet to make sure it doesn't hurt itself
[19:11] <snap-l> seriously, 10 seconds with Android and you'll know you're not in Kansas anymore.
[19:12] <snap-l> I guess this guy didn't see any of the other Java mobile implementations to know that Java != portable.
[19:39] <Wolfger> and he clearly doesn't know a GNU from a Linux if it bit him in the penguin....
[19:40] <Wolfger> My DVR is Linux. That doesn't mean I can run Amarok on it.
[19:40] <Wolfger> ....or does it? ;-)
[19:42] <brousch> Wolfger: if you try hard enough
[20:59] <snap-l> Uploading the OMC holiday episode
[20:59] <snap-l> should drop on Friday
[21:00] <greg-g> yay
[21:01] <snap-l> Actually found a better song to replace one that I had in there that wasn't doing it for me
[21:01] <snap-l> http://logofficial.bandcamp.com/track/five-angels
[21:01] <snap-l> The story was 100x better than the song
[21:02] <snap-l> but nothing on the Internet corroborated it
[21:02] <snap-l> so decided to axe it in the end
[21:05] <snap-l> That, and I think this song that replaced it was just released this week, and works a lot better.
[21:05] <snap-l> Even dropped in without having to move anything, which is a blessing. ;)
[21:05] <greg-g> ugh, why doesn't bandcamp work with Fx?
[21:05] <snap-l> It should?
[21:06] <greg-g> it shouldn't?
[21:06] <greg-g> I mean, the play button doesn't work in Fx, but it does in Chromium
[21:06] <snap-l> I mean I didn't think it didn't work.
[21:06] <snap-l> Works over here.
[21:07] <greg-g> weird
[21:08] <snap-l> It sounds like this band used lectronic drums, but didn't even attempt to quantize it
[21:08] <snap-l> it's the strangest timing
[21:09] <greg-g> quantize?
[21:09] <snap-l> Move a note to the nearest beat
[21:09] <greg-g> ah
[21:10] <snap-l> Get to the solo part. It sounds like a ess
[21:10] <snap-l> mess
[21:11] <snap-l> It's like they didn't use a click or something
[21:11] <snap-l> could have been a stronger song, but the recording is awful
[22:01] <Wolfger> snap-l: http://www.amazon.com/Deck-the-Halls/dp/B002R9DM8E/ref=amb_link_359208082_22?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=137PPHCJHC3W4021JAH1&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_p=1339029282&pf_rd_i=1000453281
[22:38] <snap-l> Wolfger: Yeah, I've seen that. :)
[22:39] <snap-l> Love the reviews
[22:39] <snap-l> This compilation of screaming and senseless noise will do nothing to put anyone in the Christmas spirit. When Obama starts banning things in his next term hopefully this album will be one of the things that becomes illegal.
[22:53] <Wolfger> rick_h_: ++ on the imgur
[22:54] <snap-l> ?
[23:12] <Wolfger> http://i.imgur.com/omJ2j.jpg
[23:32] <Wolfger> Interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc


[12:02] <gary_poster> gmb hi.  I made an "approve" review of https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/lpsetup/make-lp-lxc-ip-discoverable-bug-1019181/+merge/113955 albeit with a bit of muttering in the comments.
[12:02] <gmb> gary_poster, I think we should make a "kill doctests in lpsetup" card. The unittests I've found for inithost aren't all that comprehensive, and I'd started down the doctest road earlier... Might make a good branch for this afternoon, actually...
[12:03] <gary_poster> cool, gmb, sounds good
[12:04] <gmb> gary_poster, So, would you rather have something like "if os.path.exists(path1): elseif os.path.exists(path2): else: explode?
[12:05] <gary_poster> gmb, in a "that's yucky and inconvenient but more paranoid" sort of way, yes.  I'd lean that way.  OTOH, I could understand someone not leaning that way under the circumstances, which is why I approved as is
[12:06] <gmb> gary_poster, I'm easy either way - I just took the path of least ugliness.
[12:07] <gary_poster> gmb, ack.  you choose.  reviewer privilege is to mutter, developer privilege is to decide when to ignore muttering. :-)
[12:07]  * gmb adds that to the reviewer checklist.
[12:07] <gary_poster> :-)
[12:08] <gmb> gary_poster, I'll go for paranoia, just to get my paranoia out of the way early in the week.
[12:08] <gary_poster> :-) ok
[12:09] <gary_poster> bac benji gmb https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/e7868bb3734212293bb6e76928d75059512d29dc?authuser=1&hl=en-US
[12:10] <gmb> gary_poster, Is that at the end of our static URL?
[12:10] <gary_poster> gmb, oh booh, I forgot
[12:10] <gary_poster> no
[12:10] <gmb> Ok.
[12:10] <gary_poster> gmb, are you there already?
[12:41]  * gmb -> lunches
[13:00] <bac> gary_poster: i'm creating a hangout
[13:00] <gary_poster> bac try our shared one
[13:50]  * benji reboots
[14:19] <gmb> bac, So, pre-commit.sh in lpsetup... does a lot of lint spewage mean failure?
[14:20] <gmb> (I'm assuming so, because my tests are passing but the branch won't land because pre-commit.sh fails)
[14:20] <bac> yes, it should not spew, gmb
[14:21] <gmb> Um.
[14:21] <gmb> bac, I see 139 lines of spew
[14:21] <gmb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1082829/
[14:23] <bac> gmb: try running pre-commit.sh in trunk, after pulling
[14:24] <gmb> bac, Nope, still spews.
[14:24] <gmb> bac, You don't have some kind of global config for pocketlint do you?
[14:24] <bac> gmb: no b/c it passed in tarmac for me on friday, so there is nothing environmental for me that makes it work
[14:24] <gmb> Oh.
[14:24] <gmb> That's...
[14:24] <gmb> vexing
[14:25] <bac> gmb: but it did fail on tarmac for you?
[14:25] <gmb> bac, Yes
[14:26] <gmb> bac, Ah, might be pep8 that's failing...
[14:26] <gmb> (Rather than pocketlint)
[14:26] <gmb> Oh, no, it's both.
[14:28] <bac> gmb: your pep8 and pocketlint are both in /usr/bin?
[14:28] <gmb> bac, pep8 is in /usr/local/bin
[14:28] <bac> gmb: who owns that?
[14:29] <bac> i mean dpkg -S
[14:29] <gmb> bac, root
[14:29] <bac> sorry, see above
[14:29] <gmb> python-pocket-lint: /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pocketlint/contrib/pep8.py
[14:29] <gmb> python-pocket-lint: /usr/share/pyshared/pocketlint/contrib/pep8.py
[14:30] <gary_poster> gmb, I just freshly installed everything and ran tests to try and help.  on precise I don't see the errors you got in trunk
[14:30] <gmb> Oh...
[14:31] <bac> gmb: are the tarmac failures shown in your MP?  if so, which is it?
[14:31] <gary_poster> /usr/bin/pocketlint
[14:31] <gary_poster> /usr/bin/pep8
[14:33] <gmb> bac, Oh, actually... No, Tarmac is full of test failures. Which is disappointing but, I've just realised, to be expected...
[14:33] <gmb> So clearly noise is on my machine, not on tarmac (I was looking at the log before, not the MP)
[14:33] <gmb> I'll look at that later, when I've fixed the tests.
[14:33] <gmb> Maybe _I've_ got some global config.
[14:38] <gmb> gary_poster, Haha. So, paranoia causes the test suite to break, because checking for the existence of a file that's not going to be installed on the test machine at import time is always going to fail.
[14:38] <gmb> So I'm going to switch back to less-paranoid-and-more-elegant-anyway.
[14:38] <gary_poster> gmb, ok cool
[15:17] <gary_poster> hey benji, you are running tests on inithost and bac and I just saw something we did there that could never possibly work.  I could make a card for it, but I suspect you'll need to change it yourself.  Is your branch fairly up to date--say, you have all the code from Friday?  If so, in inithost.initialize, there is a section with comment "# Set up Apache modules".  That needs to be dedented to be run as root.
[15:18] <gary_poster> benji, are you already going to be fixing that, or should I make a card?
[15:19] <gary_poster> benji, over here! :-) ok thanks
[15:19] <benji> pfft
[15:19] <gary_poster> :-)
[15:32] <bac> gary_poster: https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/lpsetup/install-lxc-rename/+merge/113992
[16:01] <bac> why does the canonicaladmin leave calendar sort in reverse order by first name?  is that some kind of statement?
[16:01]  * bac -> lunches
[18:01] <bac> hey gary_poster, i'm trying to reconcile the card you created with the tasks in the hangout notes.
[18:03] <bac> gary_poster: this card just seems to be an expansion of item 3 in the notes.  that's how i'm proceeding.
[18:14] <gary_poster> bac, ok.  I *think it was 3 + 4
[18:17] <bac> gary_poster: if 3+4 it will require a lot more than that card specified.  that's ok, just trying to ensure we're on the same page.
[18:17] <gary_poster> bac, I like small branches, small cards.  Divide up as you think would be best
[18:18] <gary_poster> bac, also if you'd like to pair again just let me know.
[18:18] <bac> gary_poster: sure.  now is fine.
[18:18] <gary_poster> bac, I'm in the "usual" channel--or I will be in a moment after I prepare
[19:09] <gary_poster> bac you left channel
[19:09] <bac> ok
[20:46] <gary_poster> bac you left channel
[21:21] <gary_poster> benji, your test runner is so polite that it aplogizes if there is a failure! :-)  I have questions but will send on email so you can have an evening.  Thanks!
[21:24] <bac> gary_poster: rockstar accepted the tarmac fix and will merge it shortly
[21:24] <gary_poster> bac, yay!


[01:25] <zus> how do i stop gwibber,  from starting up every log in? it is not working  by ticking the box in preferences
[01:29] <cjs> The XFCE panel works different from the Gnome one in its full-screen behaviour. Maximizing a window covers the button bar, and on another machine, watching a youtube video in full-screen mode doesn't make the panel go away. Is there somethin I can do to fix this?
[01:36] <bigredradio> Is there a way to get "display" in setting to see an external monitor connect to a laptop?
[01:36] <bigredradio> It only recognizes one display.
[01:36] <zus> in some applications i find  that  my apps open :behind:  the panel.
[01:37] <zus> bigredradio,  i used xrander...to see my 2nd monitor though i never got to fully test everything id like though
[01:37] <zus> how do i stop gwibber,  from starting up every log in? it is not working  by ticking the box in preferences
[01:39] <cjs> zus: the panel seems to be acting like a regular X11 window in many cases, unlike Gnome-panel.
[01:43] <zus> cjs, when i opened some applications theyre went behind the panel i had to grab and resize the app and move it, took a while to get it  just right.  never found a solution
[02:28] <zus> how do i stop gwibber,  from starting up every log in? it is not working  by ticking the box in preferences
[02:52] <zus> ??? is anyone  around  ?\
[02:52] <asterismo> hi people
[02:52] <asterismo> i need some help with XFCE
[02:54] <photon> will Xubuntu 12.04 LTS desktop version also be supported for 5 years just as the 'standard' Ubuntu 12.04?
[03:06] <Artemis3> should be
[03:06] <asterismo> i noticed some problems with usb pendrives umounting under xubuntu
[03:06] <Artemis3> what problems?
[03:06] <asterismo> its hard to notice if a usb pendrive is ejected or not
[03:06] <Artemis3> haven't noticed anything myself
[03:06] <Artemis3> easy, if you see the notification and it goes quickly away, its done
[03:06] <asterismo> some error notifications are displayed at the same time as other notification is telling that cannot be unplugged because data is being written
[03:06] <asterismo> and stuff
[03:06] <asterismo> maybe a dbus miss syncronization or some
[03:06] <Artemis3> oh that doesnt sound good
[03:06] <asterismo> anybody?
[03:06] <asterismo> this happens to me in 3 different machines
[03:06] <asterismo> one P4 3.6GHz desktop
[03:06] <asterismo> Samsung Netbook Intel Atom N450
[03:06] <asterismo> and HP 6735s buissnes notebook
[03:06] <Artemis3> is that 11.10?
[03:06] <zus> how do i stop gwibber,  from starting up every log in? it is not working  by ticking the box in preferences
[03:06] <asterismo> yes
[03:06] <asterismo> xubuntu 11.10
[03:06] <asterismo> i use thunar for file manager
[03:06] <asterismo> and i think thunar-volman for volume management
[03:06] <Artemis3> you mean gwibber preferences? there is a place in xfce configuration to autostart apps
[03:09] <asterismo> every time i eject a usb pendrive i have no clearly visible feedback
[03:09] <zus> Artemis3,  yeah
[03:11] <zus> on the  gwibber app there is a start on login.... which i dont  want, it istn ticked, and  it is not showing up in the session startup  but it beins  anyways.... most annoying
[03:31] <photon> Any developers around?
[03:31] <photon> or team/project managers?
[03:41] <bazhang> photon, whats the actual question
[03:43] <photon> will Xubuntu 12.04 LTS desktop version be also supported for 5 years just as the 'standard' Ubuntu 12.04? I'm currently moving away from Ubuntu because of Unity and so far Debian and Xubuntu are on the table (I'm looking for a distro that is really stable and supported for a long time). Xubuntu 12.04 LTS getting security updates for 5 years would be a huge plus. AFAIK, the only thing that needs to be done is providing security updates for XFCE for 5
[03:43] <photon> years, as the rest of the packages are already taken care of by the standard Ubuntu version.
[03:48] <zus> how do i stop gwibber,  from starting up every log in? it is not working  by ticking the box in preferences
[03:57] <bazhang> photon, my guess is yes as to the 5 year LTS desktop thing. I would need to confirm however
[04:20] <zus> ok does any one  know wot is up with gwibber? seriously  ive been sasking  for  hours now \
[04:20] <zus> yes  or no at this  point owuld be  nice
[05:23] <starn> hello, can anyone help me with Ampache with Apache???
[05:27] <cjs> photon: So Unity is a problem, but Gnome 3 isn't?
[05:28] <cjs> Or is Debian not moving to Gnome 3?
[05:28] <cjs> Seems to me that if Gnome 3 isn't an issue, you can just use the standard Gnome 3 profile rather than the Unity one with Ubuntu, can't you?
[05:29] <cjs> (I'm curious because I recently moved to XUbuntu to get away from Gnome 3.)
[05:40] <starn> can someone help me with my issues with ampache?? everything appears to be setup correctly but i go to http://localhost/ampache and it gives me a 404 error.. yet when i go to it without the /ampache it loads the page apache comes with saying it works.. so it has to be something with configurations or ampache..
[05:46] <photon> cjs: I can't answer the first two questions (haven't tried Gnome 3 yet, but it's a good point). And from what I heard you have to use Unity with standard Ubuntu 12.04.
[05:57] <cjs> Oh, really? So 12.04 won't offer the regular Gnome 3 interface?
[05:57] <well_laid_lawn> !12.04
[05:58] <cjs> What fun. I'm glad I'm off that merry-go-round, even though it's introduced a whole host of new minor problems.
[06:51] <StormStrikes> Im hoping someone can help.  Just did the recent updates which included updating Firefox to v8 I believe  Now it wont launch.  Can anyone help diagnose?
[06:53] <well_laid_lawn> StormStrikes: tried launching it from a terminal to see if there are errors?
[06:53] <well_laid_lawn> iirc firefox doesn't print much in the way of errors
[06:53] <StormStrikes> I tried that and it just sat there and reported no errors.
[06:53] <Unit193> Not so much, but firefox -safe-mode may also help
[06:54] <StormStrikes> let me try that
[06:54] <StormStrikes> Okay, safe mode launched it.
[06:55] <StormStrikes> Anything I need to check while I have it up to see whats wrong
[06:55] <Unit193> Well, you can disable some addons that may cause issues (Ubufox is one I did, and may have some others too )
[06:55] <well_laid_lawn> does -safe-mode just use a default profile or something?
[06:56] <Unit193> Last used profiole, you can add -p to pick
[06:56] <well_laid_lawn> o k
[06:57] <StormStrikes> Ahh, okay.  Well crap, I wish I had known I could still set up profiles in Firefox.  Its been a long time since I have used that, thought it was gone.
[06:59] <homebrewcider> Hi there, fresh install of Xubuntu 11.04, but the screen res starts at 1600 x 1200, I change it to 1440 x 900, which is right for my monitor, but the changes don't stick when I restart
[07:00] <well_laid_lawn> try saving the session
[07:02] <StormStrikes> well_laid_lawn, thank you.  Firefox is launching normally now.  Lost my profile somehow, but thank God I back up my bookmarks and speed dials regularly.
[07:02] <homebrewcider> see if that works
[07:02] <homebrewcider> back soon
[07:03] <well_laid_lawn> StormStrikes: Unit193 had the clue ;)
[07:03] <StormStrikes> Yeah, after the update, it launched to the check addon compatability with the new version and locked up.  But I could not get it to launch again to check and see which if any were causing an issue.
[07:05] <StormStrikes> But whatever it was is not causing an issue anymore.  I only use four addons, print to pdf, speeddials, download helper and foxy proxy
[07:06] <StormStrikes> But thank you also to Unit193 for the command to boot up into safe mode.  Whatever it was, that one launch to safemode cleared things up
[07:06] <StormStrikes> Im writing that command down so I dont forget it...
[07:40] <Unit193> Awesome
[10:53] <dimax> hello! I have truble with resilution on my screen i need 1280x1024 but xrandr  show maximum 1024x768  vga S3 Via Unichrome Pro, any ideas?
[10:55] <SuibaruX> Hey, how is the package with all the codec plugins called? (good bad ugly)
[11:28] <bazhang> gstreamer, you mean?
[11:28] <bazhang> whoops
[12:43] <xubuntu329> alo
[12:44] <xubuntu329> a instalação ta travada
[13:07] <olbi> hello
[13:07] <olbi> some1 could jelp me with empathy
[13:07] <olbi> I change characters in names on jabber account
[13:08] <pkundu> i want to boot xubuntu 11.10 in runlevel 3 by default. how to do that.thanks for help
[13:08] <olbi> when I type polish type: ą, ę, etc it shows bush, but on gajim it works fine
[13:08] <olbi> on channel empathy, they can't help me
[13:13] <ragnarok> Hey. I go at system > additional drivers and i see 2 options for my gpu: 1) ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver 2) ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver (post release updates).
[13:13] <ragnarok> which to select?
[13:14] <olbi> you should take the newest
[13:14] <olbi> check in info after mark one of them
[13:14] <ragnarok> what is post release updates about?
[13:15] <ragnarok> the info is the same
[13:15] <olbi> post release updates - updates after release of main release like patches
[13:15] <olbi> take second and try
[13:15] <ragnarok> so this is enabled
[13:15] <ragnarok> at the same time as the first?
[13:16] <ragnarok> or disables it
[13:16] <olbi> disable one of them
[13:37] <someone6546> Hi, I recently switched from Ubuntu to Xubuntu and some windows (e.g. audacious or pavucontrol) are really hard to resize by grabbing them at the corner, because the area where you can do this is very small (1 pixel?). Is there a way to fix this?
[13:38] <knome> someone6546, press the super(windows) key, right-click and drag
[13:38] <someone6546> hmm, doesn't work
[13:39] <knome> did you keep both the super key and right mouse button down while dragging?
[13:39] <someone6546> yes
[13:39] <knome> try alt
[13:40] <someone6546> that works
[13:40] <knome> okay
[13:40] <knome> good
[13:40] <someone6546> but is there no way to make the area, where you can grab the window larger
[13:44] <knome> someone6546, not withtout changing the xfwm theme
[13:44] <knome> someone6546, or modifying the current
[13:44] <someone6546> ok, thanks
[15:37] <samuel_> hi. i recently installed the latest xubuntu and now i
[15:37] <samuel_> am already running out of disk space. how to free up some space?
[15:38] <samuel_> i wonder how could i already be using >5gb even though i have only installed wine
[15:40] <olbi> how much space do you have on hdd and what partiton you create?
[15:41] <samuel_> 76 mb free space currently
[15:41] <samuel_> i don
[15:41] <samuel_> not want to fix this by repartitioning, i just want to remove all the stuff that i do not need
[15:44] <samuel_> just found the "delete packages after installation" which freed up some 600 mb
[15:45] <olbi> so do it :D
[15:46] <olbi> sudo apt-get autoremove
[15:46] <olbi> how much space do you add for root partition?
[15:51] <samuel_> well. i guess that solved my problem for now. 600mb is enough i guess. so autoremove is the same as that gui option i mentioned?
[15:52] <samuel_> i stil feel puzzled why xubuntu takes all that space. i installed this because i thought this was lightweight, but not sure about that
[15:53] <holstein> you can find lighter... its still relatively small considering what all is there
[15:53] <samuel_> also this seems quite slow. x11vnc server running and moving one window around desktop gives me 100% cpu util
[15:53] <holstein> you can fire up *any* package manger and remove what you like
[15:53] <holstein> i just use vino since i am used to it
[15:55] <Sysi> samuel_: I think vnc just is like that
[15:55] <samuel_> well considering removing apps from the synaptic is slow. i had to check multiple boxes just to remove gimp. removing software from the "ubuntu software center" is even slower as it refreshes itself after a single package removal and gives 5-10 sec 100% cpu util again
[15:55] <Sysi> you could try ssh-X-forwarding or something
[15:56] <holstein> or nx
[15:56] <holstein> http://www.nomachine.com/
[15:56] <samuel_> also as said i do not know what is there to uninstall anymore. uninstalling "mail" will cause the soft center to suggest removing bunch of essential looking xfce packages...
[15:57] <holstein> http://freenx.berlios.de/
[15:57] <holstein> samuel_: yeah... when you remove software, things change
[15:57] <samuel_> i'd suggest a checkbox for installation: "bloat" on/off :)
[15:57] <samuel_> so vino is more lightweight than x11vnc?
[15:58] <holstein> samuel_: sure, and i suggest maybe checking out lubuntu, or maybe starting with a CLI install and adding what you want
[15:58] <holstein> add XFCE or LXDE and go from there
[15:58] <Sysi> none of that matters, it's still probably VNC issue
[15:58] <holstein> samuel_: i just used vino because thats what i know how to use
[15:59] <holstein> i think like Sysi suggests, i find its just not very effecient to fo VNC
[15:59] <Sysi> but yeah, if you want really minimal, you need to start with minimal
[15:59] <holstein> to do*
[15:59] <samuel_> is ssh-x-forward is based on x11vnc as well?
[15:59] <holstein> samuel_: no
[15:59] <Sysi> no, it's ssh
[16:02] <holstein> is this a laptop? you can usually find older PATA drives stupid cheap these days
[16:02] <samuel_> holstein, laptop
[16:02] <samuel_> well thanks for the help. i will look into those remote desktop keywords you gave me
[16:03] <holstein> you'll want to look for 'forwarding X' instead of 'remote desktop'
[16:04] <samuel_> ok
[16:05] <trucklover> test
[18:50] <zus> happy  thanksgiving (should any observe it,)
[18:51] <zus> is there an XFCE partitioning tool or is gparted the standard program? also in any linux not just for ubuntu or its spin offs?
[18:52] <Sysi> xfce doesn't have any own partition tool, use gparted
[18:53] <zus> thanks - is that pretty much the standard program for partitioning? regardless as which distro?
[18:54] <Sysi> it should be available on most distributions
[18:54] <TheSheep> yes, gparted and fdisk are the standard partitioning tools
[18:55] <Sysi> (g)parted
[18:56] <zus> G as in GNU not necessarily a Gnome  app right?
[18:56] <TheSheep> g as in gtk
[18:56] <Sysi> Gwenview id KDE app you know :)
[18:57] <TheSheep> Sysi: that's an exception, not a rule
[18:57] <zus> :)
[18:57] <Sysi> TheSheep: exactly
[18:59] <zus> thanks
[19:10] <zus> good day all!.
[19:21] <sidney> Is there a key combo to stop unresponsive programs?
[20:02] <darkstar999-away> My keyboard mute button is good at muting, but it doesn't unmute. It worked fine on ubuntu and windows. Any ideas?
[20:03] <holstein> darkstar999: mine does that too
[20:04] <holstein> did it work in the same version of ubuntu?
[20:04] <holstein> i didnt have time to test that
[20:04] <holstein> like, is it the kernel? is it XFCE vs. gnome/unity ?
[20:04] <darkstar999> holstein: yes, I can switch my session to ubuntu and it works fine
[20:04] <darkstar999> it seems to be xfce
[20:04] <darkstar999> and switch to win7 (dual boot) and it works
[20:04] <holstein> interesting... that saves me some time though
[20:04] <holstein> darkstar999: you find a bug report?
[20:05] <holstein> if you do, link me, or if you start one, and i'll mark myself
[20:05] <darkstar999> this was my first attempt at getting it fixed. i'll let you know if I find a report
[20:08] <darkstar999> holstein: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1871357&highlight=xubuntu+unmute
[20:10] <darkstar999> holstein: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-volumed/+bug/886447
[20:45] <darkstar999> where do I set default applications in xubuntu?
[21:39] <aeson> Check out this website--http://rationallyparanoid.com
[21:39] <knome> aeson, please do not advertise.
[23:49] <housiemousie2> Hello.  My Dad's machine and mine have both lost the right-click menu on the desktop.  Anyone have this issue, or possibly know how to fix it?  The problem is not present in a Guest session...
[23:50] <housiemousie2> ^11.10
[23:50] <wapiflapi> you can set that in the settings
[23:50] <wapiflapi> wait a sec, i'll tell you exactly where
[23:51] <housiemousie2> The option is and has been set.
[23:51] <wapiflapi> oh :/
[23:51] <wapiflapi> then I dont know sorry :/
[23:51] <housiemousie2> lol Thanks for trying!
[23:51] <wapiflapi> right click works fine every where else I supose ?
[23:51] <housiemousie2> Yes
[23:52] <wapiflapi> any particular software running that could alter that behaviour ?
[23:52] <housiemousie2> Dad has some kde mouse behavior tool, but I don't have it
[23:53] <housiemousie2> Both of our machines are xfce and gnome over kubuntu...
[23:53] <housiemousie2> Right click wotks in both gnome and kde
[23:53] <housiemousie2> works, even
[23:54] <wapiflapi> hum sorry i cant help you , haven't been using xfce for so long my self :/
[23:54] <wapiflapi> but keep searching / asking
[23:55] <Artemis3> what is the problem?
[23:55] <housiemousie2> I am thinking that it has to be a xfce user specific setting... just not sure where the xfce user configs are
[23:55] <housiemousie2> Hello.  My Dad's machine and mine have both lost the right-click menu on the desktop.  Anyone have this issue, or possibly know how to fix it?  The problem is not present in a Guest session...
[23:56] <housiemousie2> Sorry, just up arrowed to the first post
[23:56] <Artemis3> go to settings desktop
[23:56] <Artemis3> second tab says menus
[23:57] <Artemis3> there you can enable disable right click thing
[23:57] <wapiflapi> taht is what i sugested Artemis3 ;) he said he had done that
[23:57] <Artemis3> oh
[23:58] <housiemousie2> lol Yep, it is set the same in my (and my Dad's) user accounts and in the guest session, works in guest, not in our user sessions
[23:58] <housiemousie2> .../facepalm, let me try disable and re-enable
[23:59] <Artemis3> how about check process and see if killing one restores it?


[02:42] <Fudge> nautilus crashes heaps for me in oneiric
[08:28] <Fudge> AlanBell  you got ears on?
[08:29] <Fudge> trying to help someone enable accessibility in oneiric, they dont  have access to everyting with orca and root apps as they did prior to re-installing. is it jsut as simple as toggling the screen reader in universal settings
[08:56] <AlanBell> hi Fudge
[08:57] <AlanBell> good question about root apps, I will try it in a sec
[09:04] <AlanBell> seems to work fine Fudge, on a laptop installed without orca starting by default (but I do use orca on this laptop quite a bit)
[09:05] <AlanBell> my synaptic is broken, but other applications work with root access, sudo gedit is navigable


 On my 18.04 desktop, I often had issues with the Ubuntu Dock extension when I was maximizing windows: the dock was supposed to appear when I put my cursor on the left side of the screen, but after a while it wouldn't.
[07:44] <pieq> I upgraded to 20.04 and I'm still facing the same issue. I saw in GNOME Extensions that Ubuntu Dock points to this URL: https://micheleg.github.io/dash-to-dock/
[07:44] <pieq> should I raise a bug there?
[07:44] <pieq> (restarting the extension using GNOME Extensions fixes the problem)
[07:53] <didrocks> pieq: hey! yes, this is the upstream repo
[07:54] <pieq> didrocks, thanks for the confirmation!
[08:02] <Laney> \o o/ \o o/
[08:07] <oSoMoN> hey ho Laney
[08:07] <didrocks> hey hey Laney
[08:14] <Laney> lo oSoMoN & didrocks
[08:24] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney
[08:34] <Laney> ahoy marcustomlinson
[08:47] <luna_> Updating to the Alpha of the Gorilla now :)
[09:36]  * marcustomlinson wonders if groovy gorilla will be borrowing disco's headphones
[09:45] <Laney> right :(
[09:45] <Laney> now I've done all the other commits in britney, I've just got the hardest one left
[09:45]  * Laney saved the best for last
[09:45] <Laney> "Add autopkgtest policy"
[09:49] <luna_> On the testing branch of the Gorilla now
[09:49] <Laney> think I'll do this manually without cherrypicking
[09:49] <Laney> oh my monitor just turned off
[09:56] <Laney> bzzt-ing noises, not at all concerning, but it came back on ...
[10:24] <didrocks> it did it to me last week and then, making horrible noises
[10:24] <didrocks> I changed it
[10:26] <Laney> hopefully the power cord was just a bit loose
[10:26] <Laney> was fiddling with it yesterday
[10:29] <didrocks> crossing fingers :)
[13:58] <kenvandine> yikes... gtk-common-themes in candidate is broken
[13:58] <kenvandine> -./share/themes/Yaru
[13:58] <kenvandine> +./share/themes/YaruFlavours
[13:59] <kenvandine> whew... Yaru fixed it this morning :)
[13:59]  * kenvandine rebuilds
[14:14] <oSoMoN> Laney, I've verified that a no-change rebuild of gdk-pixbuf would fix the failing autopkgtests (https://trello.com/c/lS5l2kyo/180-gdk-pixbuf-autopkgtest-failing), would you mind uploading that for me, when you have a moment?
[14:16] <Laney> oSoMoN: can do, do you have a changelog entry that explains why that works?
[14:18] <oSoMoN> Laney, unfortunately not. All I know is that rebuilding gdk-pixbuf-tests is sufficient. The resources embedded in the test binaries in that package appear to be incomplete (missing ICC profile in PNG images for example), but I haven't determined why that is
[14:20] <oSoMoN> I mean, maybe the above explanation would suffice for a changelog entry?
[14:20] <Laney> yeah sounds good
[14:44] <Laney> oSoMoN: just test building / testing to verify this, will upoad if good
[14:44] <oSoMoN> Laney, thanks!
[14:48] <Laney> indeed, it works!
[14:48] <Laney> what a world we live in
[14:49] <oSoMoN> :)
[15:00] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[15:03] <oSoMoN> morning hellsworth
[15:03] <hellsworth> hi there oSoMoN
[15:09] <didrocks> good morning hellsworth
[15:09] <hellsworth> hi there didrocks
[15:14] <Laney> hmm
[15:14] <Laney> not sure we should be optipnging those images in gdk-pixbuf's installed tests
[15:15] <Laney> hope that's not the actual problem (I have that turned off for local builds)
[15:15] <Laney> hey hellsworth
[15:16] <hellsworth> moin Laney
[15:18] <tsimonq2> Laney, et al.: In case someone finds it useful, I recently wrote a Jenkins policy for Britney2: https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/britney2-ubuntu/browse/master/britney2/policies/jenkinspass.py
[15:31] <oSoMoN> Laney, is this optimization also turned off by default for PPA builds?
[15:32] <Laney> not sure, you can see it acting at the end of builds
[15:32] <Laney> ah yeah, this sucks, it fails now
[15:33] <oSoMoN> darn, it looks like it's disabled for PPA builds indeed
[15:34] <oSoMoN> so I got the problem the other way around: it's not the resources in the test binaries that lack metadata, it's the png files in the test package
[15:35] <Laney> it was your comment which made me go "hmm" when I saw it in the build log
[15:35] <Laney>     # also skip when disabling explicitly
[15:35] <Laney>     if [ -n "$NO_PNG_PKG_MANGLE" ]; then
[15:35] <Laney> 	echo "pkgstripfiles: Disabled PNG optimization for package $PKGNAME."
[15:35] <Laney> 	return
[15:35] <Laney>     fi
[15:35] <Laney> we need that I think
[15:37] <oSoMoN> right
[15:38] <oSoMoN> Laney, want me to prepare the debdiff, or are you taking care of it?
[15:40] <Laney> oSoMoN: I'll do it, can be uploaded to unstable
[15:40] <oSoMoN> thanks
[17:07] <ahasenack> oSoMoN: hi, still around?
[17:24] <oSoMoN> ahasenack, yes, what's up?
[17:25] <ahasenack> oSoMoN: hi, just sent you an email about it
[17:27] <oSoMoN>  ahasenack: I touched it out of necessity (firefox required a newer version to build), but I'm neither particularly familiar with it, nor really keen on investing the time
[17:28] <oSoMoN> ahasenack, that said I have backported 12.16.1 to xenial, bionic and eoan (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nodejs-mozilla), so I don't expect getting it into groovy would be very difficult
[17:30] <ahasenack> except for the migration :D
[17:31] <ahasenack> thanks for that ppa, that is a good starting point
[18:56] <KGB-1> orca pristine-tar 5e8ad9f Samuel Thibault orca_3.36.3.orig.tar.xz.delta orca_3.36.3.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for orca_3.36.3.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3GOen
[18:56] <KGB-1> orca upstream/latest cde6835 Samuel Thibault * pushed 1 commits * https://deb.li/3UXEs
[18:57] <KGB-1> orca tags 411eaac Samuel Thibault upstream/3.36.3 * Upstream version 3.36.3 * https://deb.li/3oRn
[19:23] <KGB-1> orca upstream/stable 32552f7 Samuel Thibault * Merge branch 'upstream/latest' into upstream/master * https://deb.li/3rRDA
[19:46] <KGB-1> orca pristine-tar 0d78001 Samuel Thibault orca_3.37.2.orig.tar.xz.delta orca_3.37.2.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for orca_3.37.2.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/CpBy
[19:47] <KGB-1> orca upstream/beta 32552f7 Samuel Thibault * Merge branch 'upstream/latest' into upstream/master * https://deb.li/3rRDA
[19:47] <KGB-1> orca upstream/beta 9b0ce1e Samuel Thibault (22 files in 6 dirs) * New upstream version 3.36.3 * https://deb.li/3cRh4
[19:47] <KGB-1> orca upstream/beta 521da94 Samuel Thibault * Merge branch 'upstream/beta' into upstream/stable * https://deb.li/6l3M
[19:47] <KGB-1> orca upstream/beta 9d84a12 Samuel Thibault (133 files in 28 dirs) * New upstream version 3.37.2 * https://deb.li/iwecj
[19:47] <KGB-1> orca upstream/beta 4b92601 Samuel Thibault * Merge branch 'upstream/stable' into upstream/beta * https://deb.li/KljA
[21:45] <hellsworth> why is it that 'sudo do-release-upgrade' on an 18.04 system says No new release found... 20.04 has been released for some time now so this should be seen, no?
[21:46] <hellsworth> will just have to update sources.list then..
[21:48] <sarnold> hellsworth: use -d
[21:49] <hellsworth> but that will update to the latest dev release, groovy and I don't want that
[21:49] <sarnold> hellsworth: I'm 90% sure it won't do that -- and it'll give you a chance to say yes / no
[21:50] <hellsworth> hmm well next time since i've already got the update going.. but then how would one update to groovy? -d should be for the development release.. i know this is how i updated to 20.04 *before* it was released..
[21:51] <sarnold> hellsworth: if that 90% guess is correct, to get from bionic to groovy requires do-release-upgrade -d *twice* -- once to upgrade to focal, again to upgrade to groovy
[21:51] <RikMills> !ltsupgrade
[21:52] <hellsworth> aaah ok it makes sense now. thank you both sarnold and RikMills for the combined answer :)
[21:52] <RikMills> https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts-development
[21:52] <RikMills> says focal is still latest LTS dev release
[21:53] <RikMills> so if you are on LTS only upgrades, I guess you can't go beyond focal
[21:53] <sarnold> hellsworth: depending upon how strongly you feel, a comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1875522 might be nice :)
[21:54] <RikMills> it would be nice if there was a non -d way to force it for those that want to
[21:54] <RikMills> would certainly be less confusing for all
[21:58] <hellsworth> right i completely agree.. just read through the bug and will add my opinion :)


[05:06] <Squirm> bbl guys
[05:06] <Squirm> jhb today
[08:03] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[08:03] <Kilos> all others
[08:03] <Kilos> lurkers too
[08:03] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[08:05] <jrgns> ninring
[08:05] <jrgns> anyone playing capture the flag at https://stripe-ctf.com
[08:05] <jrgns> nirning = morning
[08:05] <jrgns> ?
[08:09] <superfly> seriously Freenode, that's enough
[08:10] <Trixar_za> What did freenode do now?
[08:13] <superfly> Trixar_za: this ping timeout thing... there's a pattern to it, if you look at the number of seconds
[08:15] <Trixar_za> Of course there is. But it's a ratbox derivative so it shouldn't be so bad. Well compared to say UnrealIRCd.
[08:26] <DigiGram> Good afternoon all
[08:26] <zeref_work> morning peeps
[08:26] <zeref_work> hi DigiGram
[08:28] <superfly> hi DigiGram, zeref_work
[08:29] <charlvn> goeie morgen
[08:29] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[08:29]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:30] <DigiGram> Maaz, coffee please
[08:30] <Maaz> DigiGram: Yessir
[08:33] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn and DigiGram!
[08:33] <DigiGram> Maaz, your the best
[08:33] <Maaz> DigiGram: What?
[08:33] <DigiGram> Maaz, thanx
[08:33] <Maaz> DigiGram: Sorry...
[08:39] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:39] <Maaz> Kilos: There isn't a pot on
[08:39] <Kilos> sigh
[08:40] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:40]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:40] <Kilos> hi SilverCode
[08:40] <SilverCode> Hi Kilos
[08:41] <Kilos> hi charlvn DigiGram zeref_work Trixar_za
[08:41] <DigiGram> hi Kilos
[08:41] <zeref_work> hmmm
[08:42] <Kilos> strange greeting for an articulate person
[08:43] <zeref_work> hi Kilos :)
[08:43] <Kilos> hmmm
[08:43] <Kilos> lol
[08:43] <zeref_work> lol
[08:44] <zeref_work> last night was a mere, comp keep crashing gnome-shell segfaults
[08:44] <zeref_work> s/crashing/crashing,/
[08:44] <Kilos> eish
[08:44] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:44] <Kilos> kerpt
[08:44] <Kilos> kept
[08:44] <Kilos> you dont use unity zeref_work
[08:45] <Kilos> gnome shell is gnome 3 hey?
[08:45] <zeref_work> nope, didn't fit well with me.
[08:45] <Kilos> with or without top and bottom panels
[08:46] <zeref_work> unity and gnome-shell both sit on gnome 3 :) just different shells
[08:46] <Kilos> well it seems slower to go launcher and dash all the time
[08:46] <zeref_work> gnome-shell only has a top panel
[08:47] <Kilos> wonder why they dropped the bottom one. was useful adding lotsa workspaces there
[08:47] <zeref_work> the issue for me was when i hovered over to the dash, it would take bout 3 seconds to become visible
[08:48] <zeref_work> gnome-shell workspaces are dynamic
[08:48] <Kilos> i dunno what that means
[08:48] <zeref_work> it's starts with 2, then if you add a program to the second workpaces a third one appears
[08:49] <Kilos> with them in bottom panel i could click to the running app i wanted
[08:49] <Kilos> oh and where does it show them?
[08:49] <zeref_work> on the right, but only if you go to the activities section
[08:50] <zeref_work> *top left*
[08:50] <Kilos> hmm
[08:50] <Kilos> i really liked gnome2
[08:50] <Kilos> was easy for me to use
[08:53] <zeref_work> true, with the shell, i'm more productive, keyboard short-cut keys ftw
[08:54] <Kilos> whats the keybpoard shortcut to switch workspaces
[08:54] <Kilos> and then its through the list hey
[08:54] <Kilos> not each individual one
[08:55] <Kilos> i have 9 and last is for mail 8 is pidgin 7 is xchat 1 is iftop
[08:55] <Kilos> that leaves 5 to do other things on
[08:56] <zeref_work> Crtl+Alt + arrow keys
[08:56] <Kilos> with unitys launcher one can at least go to the app running
[08:57] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+ws number could work for me
[08:59] <zeref_work> also, when i ways using unity, the dash section would not show a list of applications, even when i searched
[08:59] <zeref_work> s/ways/was/
[09:01] <Kilos> yeah you gotta type the one you want in
[09:01] <Kilos> lotsa time wasted
[09:01] <zeref_work> yeah, but noting popped up :/
[09:01] <zeref_work> *nothing
[09:02] <Kilos> eish
[09:04] <Kilos> mine at least shows whats available when you get to 3rd letter
[09:13]  * superfly is wondering what a "mere" is
[09:14] <Kilos> in what context superfly
[09:14] <Kilos> as in  a thing
 last night was a mere, comp keep crashing gnome-shell segfaults
[09:14] <Kilos> lol
[09:14] <superfly> not sure what a "comp" is either, but that one I deduce to be a "computer"
[09:15] <Kilos> ya pc
[09:15] <Kilos> peeps lazy to type
[09:19] <smile> hi :)
[09:24] <Kilos> hi smile psydroid
[09:24] <smile> hi Kilos psydroid :p
[09:25] <psydroid> hi Kilos of smile
[09:25] <smile> Kilos van smile? o.O
[09:25] <Kilos> hehe
[09:26] <smile> Kilos: you are my property :p
[09:26] <smile> You belong to me. lol xD
[09:27] <Kilos> i belong to the big boss
[09:27] <Kilos> who made heaven and earth
[09:28] <DigiGram> hey guys, stupid question, but what is a good Antivirus for ubuntu? And don't give me the: "you don't need one", since the auditors doesn't understand it
[09:28] <Squirm> DigiGram: lol
[09:28] <Squirm> I have never put an antivirus onto my pc :P
[09:29] <Squirm> maybe ClamAV? never used it, even on windows
[09:29] <Squirm> it's actually the only linux AV I know of
[09:29] <Squirm> ...or can think of at this point in time
[09:30] <smile> Kilos: :)
[09:30] <DigiGram> the problem is I need to name the Antivirus and the Firewall I'm using, and the auditors are pharmacists whose computer knowledge stops at Excell (not all pharmacists, only these 80+ yo ones)
[09:31] <Squirm> DigiGram: oh look here
[09:31] <Squirm> http://free.avg.com/us-en/download.prd-alf
[09:31] <DigiGram> I'm going to get bitten by the fact that the server works over WiFi, so I'll have to explain that already, don't want to get into an argument over AV, so I'll rather just install one
[09:31] <DigiGram> I also thought AVG makes one
[09:31] <Squirm> never tried it on linux
[09:31] <DigiGram> internet is just a bit shaky today, upgrades
[09:32] <Kilos> avg is junk
[09:32] <DigiGram> for some reason my IRC works
[09:32] <Squirm> lol Kilos
[09:32] <Kilos> avast much better
[09:32] <Squirm> I've used AVG free for years
[09:33] <Kilos> avg slows your pc tons Squirm . check out avast free and see the diffs
[09:33] <Squirm> avg free is fine
[09:33] <DigiGram> I'll get ClamAV
[09:33] <Trixar_za> Yeah, I agree with Squirm
[09:34] <DigiGram> its more for the smoke and mirros than anything else
[09:34] <Kilos> eskom and their contractors etc all use avast because of bugs getting through avg
[09:34] <Squirm> the paid avg, that's hectic
[09:34] <Kilos> clamav is in the repos
[09:34] <Squirm> I also don't install link scanner and id protection
[09:34] <Trixar_za> For windows, AVG is the best free AV program ;P
[09:34] <Kilos> and gufw firewall
[09:34] <Kilos> never Trixar_za
[09:35] <DigiGram> how do I get the firewall's name in ubuntu? stupid Q I know
[09:35] <Kilos> ufw
[09:35] <Kilos> or gufw graphic
[09:35] <Trixar_za> The best paid option is Kaspersky
[09:35] <Squirm> DigiGram: ufw = Ubuntu Firewall
[09:36] <DigiGram> thanx
[09:36] <Trixar_za> Well, Avast isn't bad, but I still prefer AVG :P
[09:36] <Squirm> I used not32 for less than a month a few years back
[09:37] <Squirm> otherwise I've been using avg free
[09:37] <Trixar_za> Don't you mean Nod32?
[09:37] <zeref_work> itsn't  ufw installed by default?
[09:37] <Kilos> Trixar_za, if you get onto a slower pc you will see how avg kills performance
[09:37] <Squirm> zeref_work: should be
[09:37] <Kilos> avast doesnt
[09:37] <Squirm> Trixar_za: I don't know how the t got in there
[09:37] <Squirm> my mind must have wandered mid word
[09:38] <Trixar_za> Kilos: Not as bad as... Norton
[09:38] <Kilos> lol
[09:38]  * Squirm hides
[09:38] <Squirm> run for your lives!
[09:38]  * Kilos runs
[09:38] <Squirm> AV which must not be named... has been named!
[09:39] <Kilos> DigiGram, is this on a ubuntu pc?
[09:39] <DigiGram> yes it is Kilos
[09:39] <Kilos> then use whats in the repos
[09:39] <Squirm> anyways. I'm off for a bit. if I don't see you all later, I'll be on my way to jbh
[09:39] <DigiGram> bye Squirm
[09:39] <Squirm> jb
[09:39] <Squirm> jhb
[09:39] <Kilos> avast has a version for linux but i couldnt get it to work
[09:39] <Squirm> I wonder if I should be driving
[09:39] <DigiGram> I'm trying Kilos, something wrong with that pc's inet though
[09:39]  * Squirm ponders
[09:39] <Squirm> :P
[09:39] <Kilos> toods Squirm
[09:40] <Trixar_za> Later Squirm
[09:40] <Trixar_za> :p
[09:40] <Kilos> Maaz, google best antivirus for ubuntu 12.04
[09:40] <Maaz> Kilos: "Top things to do after installing Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin ..." http://www.unixmen.com/201204-top-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-2/ :: "[SOLVED] VirtualBox - Best anti-virus? - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2000569 :: "List of Free Antivirus Software for Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin ..." http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/list-of-free-antivirus-software-for-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/ :
[09:40] <zeref_work> virtualbox???
[09:41] <Kilos> thats if you got winsucks in a box
[09:41] <Kilos> a virtual drive in your ubuntu with ms on
[09:42] <DigiGram> I prefer vmware over virtualbox
[10:00] <DigiGram> cool, ClamAV installed, now I just need to remember to connect this pc to the internet once in a while
[10:00] <Kilos> lol
[10:01] <Trixar_za> Well, an AV program isn't really needed for a Linux system. Linux can't get windows viruses and there are only a handful of Linux viruses out there - but they need to ask your permission before they can do any REAL damage.
[10:02] <DigiGram> I know Trixar_za thats why I didn't bother with this earlier on, but the auditors wan't to see an AV
[10:03] <Trixar_za> Ah, management
[10:03] <Trixar_za> Got to Love 'em
[10:03] <Trixar_za> :P
[10:04] <DigiGram> Can't open/parse the config file... ai tog
[10:05] <Trixar_za> Where is the config file?
[10:05] <DigiGram> /etc/clamav/freshclam.conf going to check perms quickly
[10:18] <Kilos> you can use clamtk for a graphic interface
[10:18] <Kilos> or whatever its called
[10:18] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install clamtk
[10:18] <DigiGram> installing
[10:19] <DigiGram> but as long as I can prove it is installed (clamscan -V) its fine
[10:19] <Kilos> lol oh wont they wanna see it
[10:20] <Kilos> cli will be hard for them
[10:21] <DigiGram> I must just make screenshot of the terminal with $clamscan -V and $ufw version then they are fine
[10:21] <Kilos> ah
[10:21] <DigiGram> and maybe the crontab
[10:31] <Trixar_za> Wait
[10:31] <Trixar_za> You just need screenshots of the terminal commands - so it doesn't have to be real? Oo
[10:32] <Trixar_za> Oh wait. Management. Nevermind
[10:32] <DigiGram> lol
[10:33] <DigiGram> should the need arise to check it, it should be here
[10:38] <Trixar_za> lol. You could probably write a simple bash script that uses sleep and they won't be able to tell
[10:39] <DigiGram> lol yeah
[10:39] <DigiGram> but its easier to just install ClamAV
[10:39] <DigiGram> update once a month
[10:39] <DigiGram> and run daily via cron
[10:42] <Kilos> bbnn
[10:57] <Trixar_za> bbl
[11:50] <smile-bezig> bye everyone :)
[11:51] <Kilos> toods smile-bezig
[11:51] <smile-bezig> :D
[12:02] <DigiGram> http://www.hellopeter.com/virgin-active-south-africa/complaints/virgin-actime-renew-contract-after-i-asked-to-stop-876473
[12:02] <DigiGram> darn, spelling error in the title, ai ai
[12:12] <Kilos> who is a dropbox expert here??
[12:12] <Kilos> can ian get stuff straight off my pc with it or must stuff go up there like ubuntuone??
[12:13] <DigiGram> as far as I know is drobbox just as Google Drive (and I guess ubuntuone)
[12:13] <DigiGram> you need to upload what you want people to access
[12:15] <Kilos> ty DigiGram
[12:15] <Kilos> all the dropbox users arent here
[12:16] <DigiGram> 3months worth of work, zipped to a mere 37.7KB :(
[12:17] <DigiGram> and 18.9KB of that is the company logo they gave me...
[12:20] <zeref> what was the project?
[12:21] <Kilos> lol
[12:22] <DigiGram> almost like a point of sale application but with some extra logging, specified forms for certain operations and some form of stock keeping
[12:22] <DigiGram> done in Python, so its all text files
[12:55] <zeref> hmmm
[12:56] <inetpro> Kilos: dropbox is just like ubuntuone, basically it's a simple application that is set to synchronise a local folder with an online storage server
[12:56] <zeref> why not use something like sqlite
[12:56] <zeref> DigiGram: ^^
[12:57] <Kilos> ty inetpro just trying to work my way through all the tour and stuff
[12:57] <Kilos> grrr
[12:57] <Kilos> nothing simple and straight forward
[12:57] <DigiGram> zeref It would've takem me longer to figure out how to write a frontend for a sqlite database
[12:58] <zeref> oh, so there is no gui?
[12:58] <DigiGram> but i do agree in the end it would've been better, I just don't have the time to learn sql right now
[12:59] <DigiGram> the gui is done in PyQt and uses secured flatfiles
[12:59] <zeref> cross platform?
[12:59] <DigiGram> it is, but its only going to be used no Winblows
[13:01] <inetpro> Kilos: you just create a folder in the ~/Dropbox folder and share it with the other party and when he accepts the share you will get a notification, once that is confirmed any file you drop in there will eventually be seen by that person
[13:01] <inetpro> or the other way around
[13:03] <inetpro> the only trouble you might run into is if you're using KDE, this stuff is not built for KDE yet
[13:04] <inetpro> but it's not rocket science and can be made to work for KDE
[13:04] <Kilos> lol
[13:05] <Kilos> ty inetpro its getting the folder from here to the one up there that sucks
[13:05] <inetpro> Kilos: now you may have top rephrase, not sure I understand your message
[13:05] <inetpro> to rephrase*
[13:06] <DigiGram> the uploading part?
[13:06] <Kilos> i am there with my browser
[13:06] <Kilos> ya
[13:07] <inetpro> huh?
[13:07] <DigiGram> he is using the webinterface?
[13:07] <Kilos> now its downloading dropbox for the third time
[13:07] <Kilos> grrr
[13:08] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:08] <Kilos> when i try open it here it says i gotta use some demon stuff
[13:08] <DigiGram> the demon stuff are the worst!
[13:08] <DigiGram> rather go for something with a cleaner spirit...
[13:08] <DigiGram> lol
[13:08] <DigiGram> sorry, just had to
[13:08] <inetpro> Kilos: did you not install nautilus-dropbox ?
[13:09] <Kilos> yay at long last it is actually opening here
[13:09] <Kilos> lol
[13:10] <inetpro> Kilos: and what was wrong with ubuntuone? Why not just stick with that?
[13:10] <charlvn> good afternoon
[13:10] <charlvn> hi inetpro, long time no speak you
[13:11] <charlvn> *speak to
[13:11] <charlvn> hi Kilos, DigiGram
[13:11] <inetpro> hi charlvn
[13:11] <Kilos> hi charlvn
[13:11] <Kilos> um
[13:12] <DigiGram> hi charlvn
[13:12] <Kilos> looking for an easier way inetpro
[13:12] <Kilos> stuffup by ian
[13:12] <DigiGram> I love Hellopeter.... easiest way to sort issues out...
[13:12] <inetpro> Kilos: what can be easier, it's exactly the same process
[13:12] <Kilos> i gave him my ubuntuone info so he could get in as me and take stuff
[13:13] <inetpro> it is extremely easy
[13:13] <Kilos> now he cant get in to ubuntuone as him because win7 wont completely remove all stuff from ubuntuone
[13:14] <Kilos> so he cant get himself there
[13:14] <inetpro> the one is just called ubuntuone and the other happens to be called dropbox
[13:14] <inetpro> both work across platforms
[13:14] <Kilos> no amount of add/remove and registry cleaners has been successful yet
[13:15] <Kilos> thats why i am on dropbox because of the hassles with ubuntuone on his pc
[13:15] <DigiGram> I prefer Google Drive, with absolutely no good argument for it...
[13:15] <DigiGram> hehe
[13:17] <Kilos> yay
[13:18] <Kilos> found a tiny icon on top panel and there is the dropbox thing
[13:18] <Kilos> why didnt it open straight away
[13:18] <Kilos> grrr
[13:20] <inetpro> 23/08 15:08:59 <inetpro> Kilos: did you not install nautilus-dropbox ?
[13:21] <Kilos> that was the first thing i installed inet`
[13:21] <Kilos> inetpro,
[13:21] <inetpro> so what happens when you right-click on the dropbox icon?
[13:22] <Kilos> in dash i get nothing from right clicking anything
[13:22] <inetpro> Kilos: not in dash
[13:23] <inetpro> in the top panel
[13:23] <Kilos> open folder, launch website
[13:23] <Kilos> and more
[13:23] <inetpro> and then you click 'open folder'?
[13:24] <inetpro> and then you get what?
[13:24] <Kilos> photos, public , wolf and more
[13:25] <inetpro> ok, so what is the problem?
[13:25] <Kilos> man i didnt see that tiny icon up there
[13:25] <inetpro> ahh
[13:25] <inetpro> :-)
[13:26] <Kilos> when you go dash + app it must open not got hide a tiny icon in top panel
[13:26] <inetpro> nee
[13:26] <Kilos> everything else open the app
[13:26] <Kilos> opens
[13:26] <inetpro> this is not a normal app
[13:27] <Kilos> this thing makes i tiny icon in top panel
[13:27] <Kilos> lolol i noticed
[13:27] <inetpro> it's a backend service
[13:27] <inetpro> you're not supposed to mess with it
[13:27] <Kilos> but i have it now
[13:27] <Kilos> will know where to find it
[13:27] <Kilos> eish
[13:28] <Kilos> how do you use it then if you not going to open it
[13:28] <inetpro> you just drop a file in the correct folder and forget
[13:28] <Kilos> lol ya if the folders are open
[13:29] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[13:29] <inetpro> Kilos: np
[13:29] <Kilos> now to try it ou5
[13:29] <Kilos> out as well
[13:29] <inetpro> Kilos: you can even do it on the cli
[13:30] <Kilos> nee man gonoeg is genoeg
[13:30] <inetpro> just go vi a test file in a dropbox folder and a few moments later you should see the same file on the web interface or any systems linked to the account
[13:31] <Kilos> lemme drag and drop the things info
[13:31] <Kilos> sjoe ek sukkel met my volk
[13:31] <inetpro> just be aware of the continues communication between your PC and dropbox to ensure that everything is in sync both ways all the time
[13:32] <Kilos> as soon as ian has what he wants i gonna remove dropbox and ubuntuone
[13:33] <inetpro> why?
[13:33] <Kilos> dont need stuff online not working
[13:33] <inetpro> it's got it's good purposes, it's free, use it
[13:34] <inetpro> just manage your data
[13:35]  * bakuman is mal oor sy dropbox
[13:35] <Kilos> lol yo bakuman
[13:36] <bakuman> hi :D
[13:41] <DigiGram> I accidently set cubby (tried all sorts of online syncing etc) folder as my desktop and uploaded about 5GB's of data... not on my uncapped account...
[13:42] <Kilos> eish
[13:43] <Kilos> that can only hurt
[13:45] <DigiGram> luckily I had some extra gigs that carried over from the previous month
[13:45] <DigiGram> but our uploads are VERY slow, so I can just wonder how long it took...
[14:15] <DigiGram> cheers, enjoy your evenings
[14:16] <Kilos> cheers DigiGram
[14:16] <Kilos> you only come erew days??
[14:16] <Kilos> here as well
[14:18] <DigiGram-away> p.s. for now yes, helping my wife with some projects, so don't have time in the evenings to chat
[14:19] <DigiGram-away> when I get my electronics up and running again I can sit and chat/help/lurk in the evenings
[14:47] <Kilos> hehe
[16:23] <Kilos> and they called him charley
[16:23] <Kilos> he fell outa the sky like the winds of july
[16:36] <Trixar_za> It alsways surprises me when people try running Windows programs on a Linux system and then asks "Why didn't it work?"
[16:36] <Trixar_za> always*
[16:37] <Trixar_za> I know it shouldn't surprise me anymore, but it does.
[16:54] <Kilos> hehe
[16:55] <Kilos> is pc suite pcsuite for xp or has each make of fone got their own pc suite
[16:57] <zeref> ?
[17:02] <zeref> !#$%@*!
[17:03] <zeref> firefox keeps crashing, and there is nothing in the logs...:/
[17:03] <Trixar_za> Clear the cookies and cache
[17:04] <Trixar_za> For some reason that works (you may have to start it in safe mode)
[17:05] <zeref> yep, i did that
[17:05] <zeref> :(
[17:06] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:07] <smile-bezig> Kilos: have a good meal
[17:07] <smile-bezig> :)
[17:07] <Trixar_za> Then I have no clue. Firefox has become a real pain the last few years
[17:12] <superfly> I dunno, for me it hasn't...  Chrome on the other hand...
[17:12] <smile-bezig> I'm using Firefox for most of the websites I visit :)
[17:13] <smile-bezig> But I need Google Chrome for Flash content
[17:13] <smile-bezig> I don't like to fuck up Firefox with Flash :p
[17:14] <Trixar_za> Ah I see Firefox is at 14.0.1 now
[17:14] <zeref> i had a flash update last night.....hmmmmmm
[17:14]  * Trixar_za just updated from Firefox 11
[17:23] <smile-bezig> Trixar_za: yes :)
[17:24] <smile-bezig> I'm following the development closely :)
[17:24] <smile-bezig> To update the Mozilla Firefox page on the Dutch Wikipedia :)
[17:29] <Trixar_za> What?
[17:29] <Trixar_za> It has a Speed dial now?
[17:29] <Trixar_za> For Shame Firefox
[17:30] <Kilos> have you guys tried opera
[17:31] <Kilos> i see no diffs between browsing with opera and ff
[17:31] <smile-bezig> Trixar_za: yes, you can disable it
[17:31] <smile-bezig> :)
[17:31] <Kilos> what does ff do better than epiphany and the others
[17:31] <Trixar_za> It was the first of it's kind. That's what it did better.
[17:31] <Trixar_za> :P
[17:32] <smile-bezig> Kilos: yes I did. It's not loading CSS fluenty
[17:32] <Kilos> aprt from updating all the time
[17:32] <smile-bezig> Kilos: the addons! :p
[17:32] <Trixar_za> Also it doesn't whore itself to GNOME
[17:32] <Trixar_za> (like epiphany)
[17:32] <smile-bezig> And WebM support :)
[17:32] <Kilos> lol
[17:37] <superfly> if you're a web developer, then firefox 's add-on are almost mandatory
[17:40] <Kilos> oh its not just a browser like with me
[17:47] <superfly> Kilos: yes
[17:52] <Kilos> hi Pankreas
[17:52] <Pankreas> Evening Kilos
[17:53] <Pankreas> anybody here know about android and wireless?
[17:53] <Pankreas> in ubuntu
[17:54] <Kilos> i go bath, bbl
[17:55] <Pankreas> enjoy.
[17:56] <Kilos> ty will do
[18:22] <magespawn> evening all
[18:23] <Kilos> hi there magespawn
[18:23] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[18:24] <magespawn> i run ff on my droid too
[18:25] <Kilos> maybe its all the updating turned me against the fox
[18:26] <Kilos> 30m every few weeks
[18:26] <Kilos> i even have updating locked here in synaptic
[18:28] <Kilos> so lekker summer is nearly here. think this is gonna be a hot one
[18:28] <Kilos> now i can shave and cut hair again
[18:29] <Kilos> starting to look like a voortrekker
[18:29] <magespawn> lol
[18:29] <magespawn> this looks promising http://info.p2pu.org/2012/08/21/its-alive-the-mechanical-mooc-offers-gentle-intro-to-python/
[18:32] <magespawn> so does this
[18:32] <magespawn>  http://openstudy.com/
[18:33] <smile-bezig> bye! :)
[18:34] <Kilos> toods smile-bezig
[18:34] <smile-bezig> good night :)
[18:34] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:34] <smile-bezig> thanks, you too
[18:34] <smile-bezig> :)
[18:38] <Kilos> that open study does look good hey magespawn
[18:39] <Kilos> imagine studying with 100,000 other peeps
[18:39] <Kilos> whew
[18:41] <magespawn> lots on input
[18:41] <magespawn> of
[18:41] <Kilos> yeah
[18:42] <Kilos> wish they had these kinda things when i was young and sexy
[18:42] <Kilos> useless now only being sexy
[18:42] <magespawn> the first one should also use khaan.org
[18:42] <magespawn> lol
[18:42] <Kilos> hows them fish and mom?
[18:43] <Kilos> and how be the fly family??
[18:43] <Kilos> inetpro, wen jy?
[18:43] <Kilos> hurry, nearly bed time for ballies
[18:44] <magespawn> sorry that should be http://www.khanacademy.org
[18:44] <magespawn> fish asleep, mom busy studying
[18:44] <Kilos> what magespawn ?
[18:45] <magespawn> what what? lol
[18:45] <magespawn> oh
[18:45] <Kilos> studying what?
[18:45] <magespawn> Bcom Accountancy
[18:45] <Kilos> haha
[18:45] <Kilos> whew
[18:45] <Kilos> thats great
[18:46] <magespawn> will be when she is finished
[18:46] <Kilos> then maybe she will have some time to make my curry
[18:47] <Kilos> no one here has tried it even
[18:47] <Kilos> slackers
[18:48] <magespawn> what curry is that Kilos?
[18:48] <Kilos> you didnt get the recipe
[18:49] <magespawn> think I missed that one
[18:49] <Kilos> i put it on slexy somewhere
[18:49] <Kilos> ians gf and her sister tried it and even sucked the bones clean afterwards
[18:49] <magespawn> sounds good
[18:50] <Kilos> and its mild enough for small kids to ask for more
[18:50] <magespawn> do you think you could dig it up again?
[18:50] <Kilos> im looking
[18:51] <magespawn> ty
[18:54] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s27n1JXB2B
[18:55] <Kilos> yw
[18:56] <Kilos> you can even grow curry leaf trees by you i think
[18:59] <magespawn> the wife says thank you
[19:00] <magespawn> she has had a craving for a good curry
[19:00] <Squirm> lo
[19:01] <Kilos> she is welcome magespawn you will see, best curry you ever tasted
[19:01] <Kilos> lo Squirm
[19:05] <Kilos> do pastes stay at the bins ?
[19:06] <charlvn> Kilos: depends on the bin
[19:06] <Kilos> slexy.org
[19:06]  * Squirm yawns
[19:06] <Squirm> Kilos: sometimes you can set it to stay for a certain amount of time
[19:07] <Kilos> ah
[19:07] <charlvn> the default expiration on slexy seems to be unlimited
[19:07] <charlvn> some delete all pastes after say 30 days
[19:07] <charlvn> but this one seems to keep the pastes then
[19:07] <charlvn> of course, there is no guarantees
[19:07] <charlvn> if the whole site goes down for example, the pastes also go lost
[19:08] <charlvn> unless you can find it archived somewhere else, for example, the internet archive
[19:08] <Kilos> ah not important. wanted to save my recipe there
[19:09] <charlvn> Kilos: for redundancy you can paste it on multiple sites
[19:09] <Kilos> pc goes down more than slexy
[19:09] <Kilos> no man its not that important
[19:09] <charlvn> ok :)
[19:09] <Kilos> and now mrs mage has it
[19:09] <Kilos> and mrs pro i think
[19:10] <charlvn> i work for itc services so i think in terms of redundancy and stuff :)
[19:10] <charlvn> failovers, backups, etc
[19:10] <Kilos> ah
[19:10] <charlvn> yeah it's like second nature
[19:11] <charlvn> just came back from painting my new appartment, a bit tired now
[19:11] <charlvn> going to watch a movie
[19:11] <Kilos> enjoy
[19:11] <charlvn> thanks!
[19:11] <charlvn> bbl
[19:11] <Kilos> chow now
[19:11] <Kilos> ty
[19:15] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. bb morrow
[19:43] <zeref> hmmm, youtube videos in unity are in blue
[19:43] <zeref> not in gnome-shell
[20:41] <Squirm> almost sleep time
[21:18] <magespawn> later all


[16:27] <CarlFK> cjwatson: for your amusement: append ... SHAZ=shaz url=http://shaz/ubuntu/oneiric/preseeds.cfg;
[16:27] <CarlFK> preseeds... d-i preseed/early_command string cd /tmp && wget http://$SHAZ/ec/early_command.sh
[16:28] <CarlFK> and early command does wget http://$SHAZ/...
[16:28] <CarlFK> so I only need to change one file when I change servers
[16:28] <CarlFK> seems to be working :)
[16:36] <cjwatson> heh, nice
[16:57] <CarlFK> d-i preseed/late_command  string cd /target/tmp && wget http://$SHAZ/lc/late.sh && chmod u+x late.sh && chroot /target /tmp/late.sh
[16:57] <CarlFK> that works, but when it errors I don't see anything in syslog
[16:58] <CarlFK> I am pretty sure i used to see the output of all the commands in late.sh
[16:59] <CarlFK> is that because of the chroot? and regardless of why, what's a good way to log what late.sh is doing?


[03:53] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Any ideas http://pastebin.com/bgBW4K5U . 404s on xenial-update .. ping is good .
[04:51] <Bashing-om> wb pavlushka - belated welcome !
[04:59] <pavlushka> Bashing-om: you are still up!! oh my?
[04:59] <pavlushka> Bashing-om: and thanks!
[05:01] <Bashing-om> pavlushka: Well ,, about to wind it down . Kinda stuck on one .. and want to see how it works out in the channel .
[05:01] <pavlushka> Bashing-om: gotta run, my day just started.
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:55] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: my unity greeter issue is solved, i had an .svg logo and it needed to be a full wallpaper
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> hey baizon
[05:57] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Great .. where there are solutions, there are no problems . huh ?
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> !apt
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> !apt-get
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> dax is sleeping :p
[06:18] <Bashing-om> Alrite, getting to slow for me to keep up .. may have to re-tire .
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> laterz Bashing-om
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> habe a good one
[06:20] <Bashing-om> I gonna hang for a smoke or so yet . see what develops .
[06:36] <ducasse> morning!
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:39] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje - everything good?
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> yes mate, what about you ducasse ?
[06:41] <ducasse> good, thanks. how's your business getting on?
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: still awaiting the website :p
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: but as it is part time business start, its ok for now
[06:42] <ducasse> you're not in a hurry? :)
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: well i only want to make comercial after website is done
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: as its the most important to showoff right
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: the website admin has also alot of work so, cant rush it
[06:45] <ducasse> i understand that. is he doing this as a favor or something?
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: no its a paying job :p around 1500 $
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: but he's linux minded, thats why i chosen him
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> but bbl guys breakfast :p
[06:47] <ducasse> enjoy :)
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> have a nice sunday guys
[07:33] <Bashing-om> Sunday Morning coming down . The day crew can handle it . G Nite guys .
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:18] <OerHeks> a poor student with an Ultrabook ..
[13:19] <EriC^^> lol
[13:19] <EriC^^> are those expensive?
[13:20] <OerHeks> ultrabook sounds like a recent machine
[13:20] <EriC^^> yeah
[13:20] <OerHeks> broken ssd, RMA!
[13:22] <OerHeks> Oh wait, we here in NL have a funny law, you may expect to run such computer for 3 years at least, so the vendor guarantee for 1 year is not legal
[13:22] <OerHeks> he has to repair it :-D
[13:22] <ducasse> when people come with unrealistic expectations like "full-blown desktop install in <3gb" i tend to just ignore them.
[13:23] <OerHeks> 3 gb .. that made me wonder too...
[13:24] <ducasse> you can get an install in less, but what are you going to use it for with no local storage? it would basically be a thin client.
[13:25] <OerHeks> oke, it is a weekend-and-i-have-nothing to-do-issue
[13:25] <EriC^^> i was thinking maybe he wanted a sort of plug and play live usb or something
[13:25] <OerHeks> The best problems come up from Mo-Fri ..
[13:25] <EriC^^> or he's very poor, his hdd broke and needs a temp fix
[13:27] <EriC^^> new ssd costs like $80 for 256gb though
[13:34] <Ben64> trying to get a full functioning desktop system from a minimal install isn't easy for a beginner
[13:35] <OerHeks> He's better of with a live + persistance for now
[13:35] <Ben64> indeed
[13:36] <OerHeks> €37 euro .. http://www.computerstunt.nl/onderdeel/6185/tablets/4k-kodi-tvbox-mini-pc-android-5.1-a53-pentacore-gpu-hdmi-demo-ex-html
[13:36] <OerHeks> i was walking through a cheap 2nd hand stuff website ..
[13:36] <Ben64> nice
[13:36] <Ben64> does h265
[13:36] <OerHeks> they used to have 32 gb ssd's for 20 euro or so
[13:37] <Ben64> beware with cheap flash
[13:37] <Ben64> could be fake
[13:37] <OerHeks> i had plans for 6 of them in raid, but then again, i rather would have a HW raid controller with it
[15:37] <JanC> why would you want a HW RAID controller?
[15:41] <OerHeks> just for fun, i have no experience with soft/hw raid
[15:41] <OerHeks> but those 32 gb are sold out :-(
[15:42] <JanC> cheap HW RAID controllers are worse than software RAID
[15:43] <JanC> just use linux MD software RAID or ZFS RAIDZ
[15:44] <OerHeks> ofcourse i want a pretty controller
[15:47] <JanC> be sure to buy two  :)
[15:48] <OerHeks> I'll find them one of these days ..
[15:49] <JanC> because if it breaks, you'll possibly need an identical one to read your data...
[15:49] <OerHeks> top tip, JanC !
[19:26] <daftykins> JanC: that's a really weak argument
[19:27] <JanC> what is?
[19:27] <daftykins> requiring backup hardware controllers in the event of failure being a negative against hardware RAID
[19:28] <JanC> it's a pretty good argument, especially if this is for personal use
[19:28] <daftykins> no it's not - you still need a great number of SATA ports for a software setup :) in which case if your motherboard goes, or a SATA HBA card, you still need replacements
[19:28] <daftykins> they may be more general purpose but you'd still be up a creek without a paddle
[19:29] <JanC> but you can use whatever replacement then
[19:29] <daftykins> totally worthless
[19:30] <daftykins> dead hardware is dead hardware :)
[19:30] <JanC> dead hardware that can't be replaced is worse than dead hardware that can't be replaced
[19:31] <daftykins> i think you meant a 'can' there - but that's total rubbish again because i don't see why you think you can't get hold of a given adapter at all past a certain point :)
[19:31] <JanC> and unless you have pretty expensive hardware RAID, it doesn't really have much or even any advantage anyway
[19:31] <daftykins> yeah you're preaching to the choir there, have you ever even dealt with hardware RAID?
[19:31] <daftykins> i haven't lost a single adapter
[19:33] <daftykins> when there's a failure it's ace having your hand held by a decent hardware controller than sat tearing your hair out crying over Linux logs :D
[19:35] <JanC> I've never had to tear my hair out  :)
[19:36] <OerHeks> :-)
[19:36] <daftykins> can't have many setups under your command then ;)
[19:36] <BluesKaj-pi> my hair just disappears over the yrs :-)
[19:37] <daftykins> hehe


[01:47] <Ng> pwnguin: acpi events should be logged to /var/log/acpid aiui
[02:57] <alex_mayorga> hello, anyone that can help me get video back on this bug #146706


[12:13] <dpm> mhall119, popey, balloons -> For today's Q&A it's balloons and I who are hosting, right?
[12:24] <popey> dpm: balloons and I thought it was us, I'm happy for it not to be me ☻
[12:24] <popey> dpm: translations would be good to mention!
[12:25] <dpm> popey, yeah, I thought you'd done the Q&A twice in a row. I'm happy with whatever. I'll jump in with balloons, and you can decide if you want to join in
[12:25] <dpm> good call about translations
[12:30] <popey> dpm: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1TbnhuhEc5uvN2d8zNU26Ckp4CMFUk7IPLfnoq3gW1NY/edit#heading=h.63kkcsdhu5a4
[12:30] <popey> added two lines
[12:31] <dpm> nice, thanks popey
[13:16] <dpm> popey, jose, do you know if uploading images works on ubuntuonair.com? I tried to upload the logo Sam Hewitt created, and it doesn't seem to upload at all in the WP interface
[13:17] <popey> no, that would go in the theme?
[13:21] <dpm> popey, I guess yes. For now, I just wanted to add it at the top of the home page, so that when we share ubuntuonair.com on the social network it shows the logo, and not just a link
[13:21] <popey> ah
[13:28] <dpm> in any case, I've just updated http://ubuntuonair.com/ with today's data
[14:39] <dpm> morning balloons, all set for the Q&A?
[14:43] <balloons> indeed. I got a bit sick last night, but feeling better today
[14:43] <balloons> I'm still with popey right?
[14:44] <popey> nope, dpm and you now ☻
[14:44] <balloons> ohh.. :-) it wasn't clear
[14:45] <balloons> I take it dpm is setting up then.. in which case, I'll just wait for a link
[15:06] <jose> dpm: I wanna keep the things in the home page to a minimum because we want it all to fit in one screen
[15:06] <jose> if it fits in one screen then it's got the right size
[15:06] <jose> but I've got to yet upgrade the branding in many places - just let me get through this exam week alive
[16:07] <dpm> mhall119, call? We're starting late because of the Q&A, so happy to extend it if you want
[16:07] <mhall119> dpm: ready when you ware
[16:08] <mhall119> are
[16:08] <dpm> mhall119, sounds good, I'm in the hangout already
[16:08] <mhall119> dpm: I still don't have it on my calendar, can you send me the link?
[16:09] <mhall119> nvm, found it on your calendar
[22:01] <bkerensa> Pretty legit web based irc client https://github.com/ircanywhere/ircanywhere
[22:45] <mhall119> bkerensa: does it support multiple networks?  That's the thing that's stopped me from usinc ZNC
[22:45] <bkerensa> mhall119: Yes it does and so does ZNC
[22:45] <bkerensa> :)
[22:46] <bkerensa> well ZNC has now for a couple years at the very least
[22:46] <bkerensa> nigelb: you sheriff you :P
[23:08] <popey> \o/ irssi
[23:30] <jcastro> is there no button for the speakerphone on touch?
[23:53] <popey> jcastro: yes, once you dial
[23:53] <popey> s/dial/connect/
[23:57] <jcastro> hmm, I didn't see it
[23:57] <jcastro> well, since my N5 died, I am dogfooding on my N4 for real


[01:11] <jrgifford> Unit193: that looks good
[01:20] <Unit193> Sent.
[02:06] <skellat> ...and that's what I get for playing bus driver all day facilitating travel of family members to various spots...
[02:30] <skellat> Welcome to Ubuntu Ohio Thursday Night IRC Dance Party
[02:30] <skellat> Links to music courtesy tinysong/Grooveshark
[02:30] <skellat> KONGOS - Come With Me Now -- http://tinysong.com/NZCl
[02:30] <jenni> [ Grooveshark - Free Music Streaming, Online Music ] - https://j.mp/1lYHVtH
[02:30] <skellat> Nickelback - This Means War -- http://tinysong.com/MRLl
[02:30] <jenni> [ Grooveshark - Free Music Streaming, Online Music ] - https://j.mp/1lYHWOm
[02:30] <skellat> Avicii - Wake Me Up -- http://tinysong.com/1gh8R
[02:30] <jenni> [ Grooveshark - Free Music Streaming, Online Music ] - https://j.mp/1lYHW0E
[02:30] <skellat> "Weird Al" Yankovic - Party in the CIA -- http://tinysong.com/HYYv
[02:30] <jenni> [ Grooveshark - Free Music Streaming, Online Music ] - https://j.mp/1lYHWh9
[02:30] <skellat> Missy Higgins - Hello Hello -- http://tinysong.com/13hBR
[02:30] <jenni> [ Grooveshark - Free Music Streaming, Online Music ] - https://j.mp/1lYHZcN
[02:30] <skellat> Default - Wasting My Time -- http://tinysong.com/gyab
[02:30] <jenni> [ Grooveshark - Free Music Streaming, Online Music ] - https://j.mp/1lYHZcV
[02:30] <skellat> Long Distance Dedication: They Might Be Giants - Black Ops -- http://tinysong.com/1cyEs
[02:30] <jenni> [ Grooveshark - Free Music Streaming, Online Music ] - https://j.mp/1lYHZJQ
[02:31] <skellat> Our Throw-Back Track: Cascada - Miracle -- http://tinysong.com/10gPf
[02:31] <jenni> [ Grooveshark - Free Music Streaming, Online Music ] - https://j.mp/1lYI00l
[02:31] <skellat> And to wrap up our playlist...
[02:31] <skellat> Moon Hooch - Tubes -- http://tinysong.com/13pcB
[02:31] <jenni> [ Grooveshark - Free Music Streaming, Online Music ] - https://j.mp/1lYI0xs
[02:31] <skellat> Perhaps we'll try IRC DJ'ing another time...
[02:32]  * skellat departs wondering if anybody will notice this in the logs
[11:58] <jrgifford> skellat: darn, i missed this. :(
[11:59] <belkinsa> +1


[04:37] <Cheri703> rawr rawr rawr
[04:40] <canthus13> hi.
[04:40] <Cheri703> HELLO
[04:41] <Cheri703> I AM BORED
[04:41] <Cheri703> A LOT
[04:41] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:41] <Cheri703> AAAAAAAAAAAA LLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTT
[04:41] <Cheri703> also wanting something to munch on but trying to convince myself not to go foraging
[04:42] <Cheri703> My new dog dryer should arrive tomorrow :)
[04:43] <canthus13> A dog dryer? You mean tumble dryers can't be repurposed?
[04:43] <Cheri703> my dogs would probably try, and after this morning, I was tempted (2 of 3 busted out the back door and were gone for an hour >_<)
[04:45] <Cheri703> well, I have shoulder/wrist stupidity, and so brushing 3 dogs  (1 that has a major undercoat situation going on, one that has a minor one, and one that doesn't seem to shed when you pet her, but then her bed is covered in hair) enough to keep them from shedding everywhere is ...hard.   Ever consider shaving her during the summer?
[04:48] <Cheri703> sooo...going on the porch and scaring the crap out of them for ~10 minutes with the blower = good
[04:48] <Cheri703> she's not like...shaveable...
[04:48] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:48] <canthus13> Ah.
[04:48] <Cheri703> it's sort of like a retriever coat
[04:48] <Cheri703> not like a chow or husky or something
[04:48] <canthus13> My parents have a labradoodle that they shave every May.
[04:48] <canthus13> He's got an odd mix of lab and poodle fur.
[04:49] <Cheri703> heh, yeah, I used to have to drive to my (terrible) bosses' house, and there was a dog I'd see in the yard, it was winter when I started going, then when it got warm, suddenly he was WAY smaller/skinnier after he was shaved :)
[04:49] <Cheri703> yeah, labradoodles can come out in a variety of textures
[04:49] <canthus13> The weird part is that he doesn't shed. at all.
[04:49] <Cheri703> that's the poodle part
[04:50] <Cheri703> poodles don't shed, that's why they're considered "hypoallergenic" even though they aren't actually
[04:50] <canthus13> just grows and grows... I thought they should give him cornrows instead.
[04:50] <Cheri703> get a komodor
[04:50] <canthus13> Heh.  Cocker spaniels are the worst biters by the numbers, though. :/
[04:51] <Cheri703> yeah, for sure
[04:51] <Cheri703> I'm a fan of pits and bully breeds
[04:52] <Cheri703> just...other people arent :/
[04:52] <Cheri703> the city of toronto will take and euthanize, regardless (from what I've read)
[04:52] <canthus13> Toledo's ok about them.. but you can get fined pretty bad if your bull is off-leash.
[04:52] <Cheri703> I'd imagine
[04:52] <Cheri703> they're technically banned here (I think) but they're all over the place
[04:52] <Cheri703> *pits specifically
[04:52] <canthus13> I think they have a one-strike rule about them, too.
[04:53] <canthus13> the problem in Toledo is that there are an awful lot of them bred for fighting. :/
[04:54] <Cheri703> haha, on my "clancy's cheese curls crunchy" (aldi brand), it says "50% less fat than leading national brand's fried crunchy cheese curls" hooray not being able to use the actual name! (though if they are sold in more than one english speaking country, it may be easier to do that)
[04:54] <Cheri703> :/ yeah
[04:55] <canthus13> Oh.. my parents just picked up the ugliest boston terrier I've ever seen.  the right side of his head looks like he was hit with a hammer and dragged along at 50mph on it.
[04:55] <canthus13> (Deformed, not abused.)
[04:56] <canthus13> Named him Picasso... 'coz his face looks like a picasso painting.  :P
[05:33] <Cheri703> yeah, I've been pretty lucky with that, I've never had one that was crazy carsick
[20:29] <thafreak> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Pox97y0v4SY


[20:45] <highvoltage> stgraber: bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/edubuntu.precise/"
[20:45] <highvoltage> that's from the edubuntu image build log, I guess it was just a temporary glitch?
[20:45] <highvoltage> (since the branch looks fine, at least from the web interface, for now)
[20:45] <stgraber> highvoltage: yeah, I check and the branch clearly exists
[20:45] <stgraber> *checked
[20:46] <stgraber> my guess is temporary LP or firewall glitch. If it happens again I'll investigate
[20:46] <highvoltage> k


[00:00] <sarnold> I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/pkg-website/+bug/1812455 hopefully that'll be enough
[00:00] <TJ-> I had that fixed about a month ago
[00:00] <sarnold> aww :/
[00:02] <TJ-> ahh, logs tell me it was Dec 3rd/ Rhonda was working on it
[00:03] <TJ-> 2018-12-03 10:52:13     Rhonda  Hey there.  I have issues with debugging the packages.ubuntu.com issue on jubany, and I see in dmesg a fair amount of OOM kill
[00:03] <TJ-> ers.  Somehow there seems to be some ressource issue, can anyone give me a helping hand?  moon127, around? :)
[00:03] <TJ-> sarnold: Maybe worth adding that ^^ to the report for context?
[00:23] <teward> sarnold: might prod #canonical-sysadmin for packages.u.c
[00:23] <teward> this is the 6th poke I'd have had to give them on that
[00:23] <teward> sarnold: ten bucks says it has something to do with the indexing process eating up the resources
[00:23] <teward> because that's been the problem the last 5 times I prodded IS
[00:23] <sarnold> teward: hehe, sounds like an unfair bet :)
[00:24] <teward> probably because i'm partly right xD
[00:34] <TJ-> Yeah, Rhonda said it was OOM
[06:06] <alkisg> Hi all. I'm upstream for ltsp.org. We have a problem with the ltsp-client package on Ubuntu. It basically tweaks a system on boot, to allow it to netboot. Due to its nature, it's very sensitive to systemd, network-manager etc changes.
[06:06] <alkisg> So uploading new LTSP releases before Ubuntu releases isn't enough; usually fixes are required later on too. For example, LTSP in 18.04 has been broken for 4-5 months ago when some update broke it, possibly systemd.
[06:06] <alkisg> Issues are fixed upstream, usually before they even appear in Ubuntu, but since there's no Ubuntu LTSP maintainer, noone takes the time to cherrypick upstream fixes and release SRUs.
[06:06] <alkisg> So my question is: LTSP currently doesn't work in bionic, so we direct our users to use our PPA. Noone is willing to cherrypick/SRU. Is there a process that would allow us to upload the newest, *working* version in bionic? Something similar to firefox, where new versions are allowed?
[06:07] <alkisg> I'm not talking about "always upload new versions", as this may actually break things for some users; just for "upload the newest version when the existing version is broken for all users"
[06:07] <alkisg> E.g. just a syncing from debian unstable now would be fine
[07:09] <valorie> alkisg: it's always best to upload to Debian and ask for a sync
[07:10] <alkisg> valorie: but is the sync allowed? E.g. now it is uploaded in debian, but there's no process in ubuntu for "sync release to lts version", just to the development ubuntu version...
[07:10] <valorie> hmm, that I don't know
[07:10] <valorie> bit early for the europeans to be here, and it's weekend now
[07:11] <valorie> perhaps write to the devel list?
[07:11] <alkisg> Sure I understand; I posted and I'll be around for days, no worries
[07:11] <alkisg> It might be worth to bring it up, as it would probably require a change in policy...
[07:12] <valorie> I'm not actually a devel, so don't have the answers
[07:55] <ginggs> rbalint: your mercurial patch was effective, i see 'running 806 tests using 4 parallel processes', but the tests didn't run significantly faster :(
[18:33] <edarfoc> Hi!
[18:34] <edarfoc> is it allowed to link to a launchpad bug report here to see if anyone can help?
[19:11] <tsimonq2> alkisg: "Noone is willing to cherrypick/SRU" if you do the paperwork, I'll volunteer to review your patches and upload.
[19:11] <tsimonq2> alkisg: It's not that nobody cares, it just lacks attention.
[19:12] <tsimonq2> alkisg: Regressions caused by updates are major and should be reported/escalated ASAP.
[19:14] <tsimonq2> alkisg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates should answer all of your other questions, let me know if you still have questions after reading that.
[19:35] <alkisg> tsimonq2: the problem is that it's not patches, it's a whole new release
[19:35] <alkisg> Noone wants to spend e.g. 2 hours to isolate only the bug fixes that happened between the old and the new release
[19:35] <alkisg> And SRUs prohibit new features; they require just bug fixes
[19:36] <alkisg> LTSP is hacky by its nature, so systemd updates that break it can't be reported as systemd regressions, they need to be fixed in ltsp
[19:37] <alkisg> So I think I'm asking for a new process that isn't covered by the existing policy for SRUs and backports
[19:37] <alkisg> "If a package doesn't work at all, allow synching a new version from debian", something like that
[19:38] <tsimonq2> alkisg: I would highly recommend you discuss this with the SRU team, either via IRC or the ubuntu-devel mailing list, to get their input on this.
[19:38] <tsimonq2> teward might also be interested in such a discussion. ;)
[19:38] <alkisg> tsimonq2: thanks, do you mean in another channel or in this one?
[19:39] <tsimonq2> alkisg: Some people would argue this channel, others #ubuntu-release.
[19:39] <alkisg> Thanks :)
[19:40] <tsimonq2> Anytime. :)
[21:14] <teward> tsimonq2: i was pinged, context?
[21:14] <teward> alkisg: in *some* cases a full version can be SRU'd, otherwise it'd need backported, but that process is currently nonfunctional (I made a proposal that i'm letting sit a bit before I poke it forward more)
[21:14] <teward> (which would 'fix' backports to some extent)
[21:34] <alkisg> teward: thanks, so I should't try to SRU the whole new version now for 18.04, but it might be doable in 20.04...
[21:34] <alkisg> *shouldn't
[21:35] <alkisg> Backports are harder because they require changes in the ltsp chroot as well, so they're not so easy for users
[21:35] <teward> you could probably get it into 19.10 at the earliest, but I have not read the full backlog, so I'd upload to Debian and let that in there, then it'll automatically end up in the next autosync for the dev release
[21:35] <alkisg> Yes, it always ends up in the newer releases, which is useless for lts users though
[21:35] <alkisg> As it'll be broken again in the next lts
[21:35] <teward> the SRU team can determine if it's SRUable
[21:36] <teward> backports MAYBE but we have to wait for a determination on the best way to revive typical backports behavior.
[21:36] <alkisg> So for the last 5 years or so we've been telling our users "don't use the ubuntu packages, they're broken, use the ones from the ppa"
[21:36] <teward> s/typical/usual/
[21:36] <JackFrost> Backports aren't currently a thing in Ubuntu, though.
[21:36] <alkisg> Gotcha. Backports aren't useful in ltsp due to chroots, so no need to worry about that part
[21:36] <teward> JackFrost: you mean backports via SRU, not the backports repository.  :p
[21:36] <teward> alkisg: right.  again, SRU team is the one to make determinations
[21:37] <teward> *returns to lurking because he's got a trillion things on his radar to get done by tomorrow*
[21:37] <alkisg> teward: but that process isn't functional now, so there's no point in trying an sru now, correct?
[21:37] <alkisg> np, thanks again
[21:37] <JackFrost> teward: I mean backports aren't really a thing, nothing about SRU's.  A SRU tends to not be new versions though.
[21:37] <teward> alkisg: i think you're confusing SRU and Backport
[21:37] <alkisg> (11:14:53 μμ) teward: alkisg: in *some* cases a full version can be SRU'd, otherwise it'd need backported, but that process is currently nonfunctional
[21:38] <teward> alkisg: right, but again, that's not a determination I can make
[21:38] <teward> SRU process and Backports process are different
[21:38] <JackFrost> alkisg: Stable Release Updates are meant to be minimal changes, hence why he said that about *new versions*
[21:38] <alkisg> I thought you said there that "new versions for sru's aren't functional"  - were you talking about backports only there?
[21:38] <teward> alkisg: correct, i wasn't 100% clear
[21:38] <teward> but SRU is beyond my purview to judge on
[21:39] <alkisg> OK, I could try an SRU then, which would just mention "please sync from debian", along with the rationale etc
[21:39] <alkisg> Including bug reports with the "it's not working at all" issues...
[21:39] <teward> probably won't go anywhere per tsimonq2 but you can attempt :P
[21:39] <teward> seriously, i need to get this thing working by tomorrow morning >.>
[21:39] <teward> *returns to repairing servers*
[21:39] <alkisg> Haha, nah, i have a million things too
[21:39] <alkisg> If it's not going to fly,no point in wasting time there, the ppa will be enough
[21:40] <alkisg> Thanks!


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[12:36] <qwebirc80092> Ah ha, there be life on the screen..... greets.
[12:36] <melodie> irl too ;)
[12:37] <qwebirc80092> I have no official login, new to IRC etc.
[12:37] <melodie> sure np
[12:37] <melodie> how can I help you?
[12:37] <qwebirc80092> how come so many "lugs" are dead?
[13:07] <magespawn> Hey Kilos, not much really, same old same old really, busy putting a printer back together after repairing one of the parts
[13:17] <melodie> hi Kilos Cryterion magespawn
[13:18] <magespawn> hi melodie
[13:18] <melodie> I didn't know a printer could be repaired
[13:21] <magespawn> some parts can be, this was just a mechanical lever that when you close the printer door it operates a switch to let the printer know
[13:22] <magespawn> that the door is closed
[13:22] <magespawn> most people buy cheap printers, so it is often more cost effective to buy new ones
[13:24] <melodie> ok
[13:29] <magespawn> i have a habit of trying to repair equipment where i can, i do not like the throw away attitude that seems to be normal
[13:30] <Kilos> hi melodie
[13:30] <Kilos> i have the same prob magespawn
[13:31] <Kilos> hate throwing away stuff that can be repaired or use for spares for the next faulty thing
[13:33] <melodie> same here, and I didn't imagine people in African countries throwing whatever item which can get fixed
[13:36] <Kilos> yeah we like to fix things
[13:37] <Kilos> also money is tight for buying new stuff all the time
[13:39] <melodie> this is why some people create alternative monies
[13:39] <melodie> local money to help trading locally between the people
[13:55] <magespawn> chat later, home time for me
[13:57] <Kilos> go safe magespawn
[14:40] <Squirm> thatgraemeguy:
[14:40] <Squirm> ?
[15:54] <magespawn> good evening
[17:53] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:54] <Kilos> evening other peeps too
[17:54] <Kilos> ill be slow
[17:56] <inetpro> haai oom Kilos
[17:58] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[17:59] <inetpro> hoekom jy stadig wil wees?
[17:59] <Kilos> ek skype my meisies
[18:02] <inetpro> ah, ek sien
[18:02] <inetpro> al is dit net met een oog wat nie meer mooi wil sien nie
[18:04] <melodie> hi inetpro
[18:05] <inetpro> Hi melodie, all still good there?
[18:06] <melodie> inetpro yes thks!
[18:06] <melodie> you?
[18:06] <inetpro> all good thanks, just hot and tired after another busy day
[18:07] <melodie> ok
[18:07] <melodie> please have a look here, and if you agree on the idea, please pass on the message around you:
[18:07] <melodie> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-icon-theme/+question/274092
[18:08] <inetpro> will check a bit later
[18:10] <melodie> brb
[18:10] <melodie> ok!
[18:19] <inetpro> melodie: hmm... interesting, but how do we address bandwidth waste at another level?
[18:20] <melodie> inetpro adress : we make bug reports against unnecessary depends?
[18:20] <melodie> I did one here:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1510709
[18:20] <inetpro> all these autoplay videos on Facebook, YouTube and other solcial media :-)
[18:21] <inetpro> social*
[18:21] <melodie> just today I finally found which package is the cause, I'll install debian netinstall in one of my laptops and build on it
[18:21] <melodie> inetpro we can't adress them all, however the social media often face greenpeace for that matter
[18:22] <inetpro> and all these automatic updates of modern operating systems, a huge problem for us with the small pipes
[18:30] <melodie> you mean Windows 7 for instance?
[18:30] <melodie> because with Ubuntu (or other distros btw) you can set it up to your liking
[18:31] <inetpro> not just windows, everyone seems to be guilty these days
[18:31] <inetpro> many updates are often not really necessary
[18:31] <inetpro> Android is particularly bad as well
[18:32] <inetpro> it's a tough problem when security issues need to be patched asap
[18:35] <inetpro> personally I know how to deal with the issues and how to reduce bandwidth and all but most end users simply don't want to deal with it and live with the defaults
[18:35] <melodie> security patches are one thing, icon themes and gtk themes are what I will be targetting for some days from now on
[18:36]  * inetpro likes the idea to slim it down
[18:48] <magespawn> i tend to have a look through what it wants to update and decide from there
[19:53] <Kilos> hot last couple of days hey inetpro
[19:53] <Kilos> looks like the big drought is here
[20:08] <inetpro> big time