[07:12] <mpt> snwh, yes ... I've wondered whether it should have a home icon as well as a label
[17:03] <mpt> Currently designing fixes for bug 165065 and <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-uefi-fastboot-ui>
[17:04]  * xnox got totally confused when I got update email, since there are _two_ fastboots.
[17:04] <xnox> one is UEFI as above, another is a clashing name of android utility to flash android devices (e.g. nexus7) which is also called fastboot.....
[17:22] <mpt> Done: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SessionHandling#Restart
[17:35] <xnox> mpt: amazing =) pinged slangasek about it.
[17:35] <xnox> we are not sure fastboot machines are available on the market yet =)


[09:54] <tomreyn> how would you setup and manage networking on a single KVM based HV (no HA) with an IPv4 /28 and IPv6 /64 which you'll manage via CLI (libvirt-bin or similar) only?
[11:04] <mnms_> Hi.. looking for solid guide about hardening fresh ubuntu server, could you recommend something?
[11:24] <blackflow> mnms_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features    and    https://gist.github.com/ageis/f5595e59b1cddb1513d1b425a323db04    and employ AppArmor wherever possible. The second links a bit old, those aren't all security features available through systemd, so check its docs too.
[11:38] <mnms_> blackflow thx
[12:25] <ahasenack> rbasak: hi, is the importer stuck by any chance?
[12:25] <ahasenack> rbasak: https://git.launchpad.net/~usd-import-team/ubuntu/+source/autofs/tree/debian/changelog is at 5.1.2-3ubuntu2, rmadison shows cosmic at 5.1.2-4ubuntu1
[12:26] <rbasak> Looking
[12:28] <rbasak> Yes, the host was rebooted a week ago
[12:28] <rbasak> Looking into why
[12:30] <rbasak> The logs have rotated out :(
[12:31] <rbasak> Restarted
[13:54] <ahasenack> jamespage: hi, isn't crmsh used quite a log in openstack xenial deployments?
[13:55] <ahasenack> I came across https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/crmsh/+bug/1687095 and "crm cluster health" just can't work in xenial because of the missing dep, and I also added the uca for a bunch of versions and the bug remains
[15:33] <jamespage> ahasenack: we do but I don't think I have ever used 'crm cluster health'
[15:33] <jamespage> we don't hold crmsh in the UCA, so I'm not surprised that made no difference
[15:34] <ahasenack> jamespage: ok, thanks
[17:29] <ahasenack> rbasak: are you aware of known issues doing release upgrades from trusty to xenial with a mysql server installed?
[17:30] <nacc> iirc, there were a bunch of bugs filed when xenial came out
[17:30] <nacc> because the config changed dramatically (again, iirc)
[17:31] <ahasenack> let me paste something
[17:31] <ahasenack> see if it rings a bell
[17:31] <ahasenack> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/M2RVQdv56P/
[17:31] <ahasenack> that bit about the version, looks like not all packages were upgraded yet
[17:33] <ahasenack> there are some apparmor denied messages, but they look like the usual to me, that I have seen in other bugs already
[17:33] <nacc> ahasenack: trusty has 5.5.60
[17:33] <nacc> ahasenack: and precise as 5.5.54
[17:33] <nacc> ahasenack: i guess maybe the upgraded at some point in the past? dunno, hard to say
[17:34] <nacc> i *think* that's the postinst from mysql-server?
[17:34] <nacc> ahasenack: which implies that it didn't stop the old one?
[17:34] <nacc> stop/remove
[17:34] <tomreyn> 5.5 to 5.7 involves innodb + utf-8 collation by default (for new DBs), and strict mode on by default, IIRC.
[17:35] <ahasenack> yeah, something like that
[17:35] <nacc> ahasenack: it feels faimilar, but i'm not 100%, i tihnk you'd need rbasak
[17:38] <rbasak> I've not seen that before
[17:39] <rbasak> The postinst is running mysql_upgrade as expected, but the server daemon appears not to have restarted
[17:40] <rbasak> "start: Job is already running: mysql"
[17:40] <rbasak> Did it fail to stop previously?
[17:41] <rbasak> Need reproduction steps I think. Given I've not seen it before, I'd want to rule out user misconfiguration first.
[17:42] <nacc> ahasenack: fwiw, per publishing history of mysql-5.5, that version was superseded in trusty around april 2017
[17:42] <nacc> actually january!@
[17:42] <nacc> so i'd be likely to suspect pebkac
[17:43] <ahasenack> yeah, I got 5.5.60 when I created my test container
[17:43] <rbasak> Some customisation of the service locally perhaps, which prevents the maintainer scripts from being able to affect it.
[17:43] <ahasenack> rbasak: I don't see any messages about stopping mysql, or restarting
[17:47] <rbasak> I'd expect that to be earlier in the log
[17:47] <ahasenack> there is this, though
[17:47] <ahasenack> 180723 11:46:14 [ERROR] /usr/sbin/mysqld: Table './asterisk/freepbx_settings' is marked as crashed and should be repaired
[17:47] <ahasenack> 180723 11:46:14 [Warning] Checking table:   './asterisk/freepbx_settings'
[17:47] <rbasak> At least to see that the preinst i running, et
[17:47] <ahasenack> don't know if that was just before the upgrade, or during
[17:47] <ahasenack> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/379751877/DpkgTerminalLog.txt dpkg terminal log
[17:47] <rbasak> I think it's fine to mark as Incomplete with our standard template.
[17:48] <rbasak> If the user thinks it's a bug, they can provide reproduction steps
[17:48] <ahasenack> that's usually hard with release-upgrade bugs
[17:48] <rbasak> lxd helps with that
[17:52] <ahasenack> "Restart services during package upgrades without asking?" <-- I wonder what he answered
[17:54] <rbasak> I think that relates only to libc6. Not sure though.
[17:54] <rbasak> (as in libc6's maintainer scripts)
[17:56] <ahasenack> oops
[18:41] <v0lksman> hello all! installing apache2 on 18.04 but it seems I
[18:41] <v0lksman> 'm missing something cause php7 doesn't want to execute when hitting index.php
[18:42] <v0lksman> any hints?  seems apache2 comes pretty bare bones now and you have to manually enable all the mods
[18:43] <v0lksman> ahh poop....libapache2-mod-php...thought that was already in
[18:48] <tomreyn> neither is php only a web scripting language nor can apache httpd be only used with php (and scripting/programming language enabling modules are generally not part of the apache httpd core), so no, it's not.
[18:51] <sarnold> v0lksman: did you a2enmod php or whatever?
[18:52] <v0lksman> I was just missing the mod...thought I had already installed it
[19:09] <nacc> v0lksman: it depends on the version of ubuntu you're on, but on 18.04 it should do what you said
[19:39] <DammitJim> is there such a thing as a tomcat repo for ubuntu 18.04 ?
[19:39] <nacc> DammitJim: probalby a ppa
[19:39] <DammitJim> I've been googling but can't find one
[19:40] <DammitJim> all the tutorials I see online now use wget to download the gz
[19:42] <sarnold> if you're going to that much trouble you might as well maintain the one inthe archive :)
[19:43] <DammitJim> which trouble and what archive?
[19:43] <nacc> !info tomcat8
[19:43] <DammitJim> I was looking for a ppa... and was trying to make sure I wasn't missing something since I can't find it
[19:43] <nacc> that one :)
[19:43] <nacc> archive = Ubuntu archive
[19:43] <DammitJim> oh, so there is no ppa
[19:43] <sarnold> dunno, I never looked ;)
[19:44] <sarnold> there is a package in the archive, but it's commuynity maintained
[19:44] <nacc> DammitJim: i mean there can be PPAs of archive pacakges
[19:44] <nacc> !ppa
[19:44] <sarnold> which might mean, in practice, no one maintains it.
[19:44] <nacc> you can search there --^
[19:44] <sarnold> and if you have to build one yourself, it'd probably be less effort to maintain the one inthe archive, and let everyone benefit from your work :)
[19:46] <tomreyn> DammitJim: so why are yuo looking for a ppa? is the version in ubuntu too old / new for your needs?
[19:47] <DammitJim> actually, you guys are right... man, the mind can screw you up if you don't learn how to control it
[19:48] <DammitJim> I have been googling how to install tomcat on ubuntu 18 and all I find are tutorials to install from source
[19:48] <DammitJim> I assumed that there is no way to say: apt-get install tomcat
[19:48] <DammitJim> whoa
[19:49] <tomreyn> you can even choose from major upstream versions
[19:56] <genii> !info tomcat 9
[19:56] <genii> !info tomcat9
[19:57] <genii> OK so 8 and 7 still currently
[19:57] <DammitJim> I think it's 8.5
[20:02] <DammitJim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat8/+bug/1712645
[20:03] <DammitJim> weird
[20:03] <DammitJim> tomcat 8 is end of life
[20:05] <DammitJim> oh, interesting.. the package is called tomcat8, but it's acually 8.5.30
[20:21] <ScottE> Tomcat 8.0 and 8.5 are not completely compatible, either - just to make things more fun
[20:23]  * RoyK thinks tomcat and other java stuff should be left untouched
[20:41] <DammitJim> RoyK, I'm with you; however, I'm forced to touch it since our company uses it... it's truly a mess... to keep Ubuntu Version + Tomcat Version + Java Version + Grails Version compatible and supported (not EOL)
[20:45] <ScottE> If that's not all bad enough, soon to use Java in a production environment will require either using openjdk or paying oracle for a commercial license.
[20:46] <teward> state your source?
[20:49] <DammitJim> +1 teward
[20:59] <ScottE> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html - "Beginning with Oracle Java SE 11 (18.9 LTS), the Oracle JDK will continue to be available royalty-free for development, testing, prototyping or demonstrating purposes."
[21:01] <RoyK> DammitJim: my condolences
[21:02] <DammitJim> lol
[21:02] <DammitJim> ty


[09:09] <micahg> ScottL: I can't upload ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme until we fix the icon seeding or it will break in a different way
[12:43] <scott-work> micahg: ack
[12:44] <scott-work> micahg: i will make changes for the icon-theme tonight, thank you for recognizing this and preventing another breakage
[20:59] <holstein> knome: do i need to do anything else for the slidshow?
[21:00] <knome> holstein, no
[21:00] <knome> holstein, unless you want to add to the content
[21:01] <holstein> knome: if its something you think i can handle, and you need help with, im in... otherwise, i was just checking in to make sure the content was working
[21:02] <knome> worksforme


[03:32] <Cubensis> im having a problem with one of my drivers, i dont understand how to fix this, i get an extremely choppy framerate when i try to play videos or play games. i used sudo lshw -html > mySpecs.html to get the specs and this one comes up red https://pastebin.com/VGYqAyt4
[03:33] <Cubensis> but the vga controller is fine apparently
[03:33] <Cubensis> can someone help me fix this?
[03:33] <Cubensis> im trying to run that card on xubuntu 16.04.2
[03:35] <Cubensis> is there a way to fix this without downgrading to xubuntu 14?
[08:21] <not_not_a_bot> Normally I cant google fu my way through any issues i have but this one has me stumped, particularly due to it being difficult to google.    For some reason I can't type any passwords into the terminal.  And yes I'm fully aware that passwords are not echo'd in the terminal... however that fact is also making this hard to troubleshoot.   I can sign in at the lightdm splash no problem, and I can use gksudo (or whatever graphical r
[08:21] <not_not_a_bot> and the password is accepted
[08:23] <not_not_a_bot> though I cannot use sudo,  and even more odd I cant sign in sign into a vps of mine via ssh either
[08:23] <not_not_a_bot> im running xubuntu 16.04 on a thinkpad X1
[08:23] <not_not_a_bot> fresh instal
[08:24] <not_not_a_bot> this has been super hard to find any information via google because every single result is someone who doesnt know that its normal to not see any characters while typing a password into a terminal
[08:25] <not_not_a_bot> which is definitely not my issue lol.
[08:27] <not_not_a_bot> I should note, when i type a password into the terminal and press enter, Im getting "Permission denied, please try again."
[08:29] <not_not_a_bot> Sorry for the flood, and I appreciate any help, even a wild guess at where i could start troubleshooting would get me further than i am now
[08:38] <knome> what's the error message on ssh?
[08:39] <not_not_a_bot> both
[08:39] <not_not_a_bot> sorry both are the same
[08:39] <knome> have you read any logs related to this?
[08:39] <not_not_a_bot> "Permission denied, please try again."
[08:39] <knome> they might give you more information
[08:40] <not_not_a_bot> oh like on my vps?
[08:40] <not_not_a_bot> thats a good idea
[08:40] <knome> for example
[08:40] <knome> or /var/log/auth.log
[08:47] <not_not_a_bot> ugh, Im on a live usb at the moment and I cant access my server because of these issues lol.   Which reminds me, the whole reason im on a live usb is after installing xubuntu (with disk encryption) Im unable to enter my password to unlock the disk, certain keys ('7',  DEL, and several more) suddenly cause my screen to flicker and the the input to go crazy entering in a tonne of characters i didnt type, I subsequently have to reb
[08:49] <not_not_a_bot> hmm guess i can use my phone to log into ssh
[08:49] <knome> or just look at the auth log locally first
[08:53] <not_not_a_bot> im on a live usb right now so I havent  run into the issue locally since booting, and I cant enter the passphrase for my disk encryption so Im not able to check the logs in my local install
[08:54] <not_not_a_bot> contemplating head2desk smash
[08:55] <not_not_a_bot> i could reinstall xubuntu again, I guess im going to have to regardless at somepoint
[08:55] <not_not_a_bot> im kinda just thinking out loud, forgive me
[08:55] <knome> no worries
[10:56] <xubuntu49o> hi guys how do I install on an ATOM notebook?
[11:06] <xubuntu78i> Hi there! I am expecting trouble in xubuntu 16.04.2
[11:06] <xubuntu78i> I can not suspend when lid closed
[11:07] <xubuntu78i> Got a display settings on opening lid again, but no suspending
[16:50] <xubuntu58w> hi I need help
[16:50] <xubuntu58w> I heve avery old desktop with only cd reader and I want to install xubunt replacing windows xp. Can someone help me with an iso image less than 700 Mb
[16:51] <bekks> Does your card reader support booting from it?


[20:27] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-appfinder 4.19.0 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:27] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-battery-plugin 1.1.5 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:27] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-calculator-plugin 0.7.2 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:27] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-fsguard-plugin 1.1.3 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:59] <bluesabre> Testing done. Now just gotta work on release announcement tonight.


[05:58] <qwebirc62015> test
[07:26] <persia> Sorry to be late.  Anyone about for a Packaging Training session?  I'll start about 6:30 about updating packages, if there is interest.
[07:40] <persia> Anyone?
[07:42] <JamesCharles> !
[07:43] <Rail> +1
[07:43] <persia> JamesCharles, Hey.  Since you seem to be the only interested party, is there something other than updating a package that might be interesting to you?
[07:43] <persia> Rail, Feel free to suggest something as well :)
[07:44] <JamesCharles> lol, i'm the only one!
[07:44] <Rail> hmm, maybe compatability between Debian and Ubuntu... :)
[07:44] <persia> Well, half.  I spoke too soon.
[07:46] <persia> Rail, Have you read sabdfl's essay about that?  ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth#What%20about%20binary%20compatibility%20between%20distributions )  I could talk about some specific bits in more detail, or about collaboration between Debian and Ubuntu.
[07:46] <Rail> persia: as you now, mozilla-devscripts is not in Debian, so using it is an issue...
[07:48] <persia> For cases like that, where some useful piece of build infrastructure has been developed, it's often a good idea to introduce it for wider use by submitting it to Debian.  In this specific case, it's a bit tricky because of the name.
[07:49] <Rail> I don't care about binary compatability, it's normal to have different system libs...
[07:50] <Rail> you mean mozilla part of the package name?
[07:51] <persia> Yes.  As I understand it, the word "mozilla" is protected in various ways.  I'm not deeply familar with the details.
[07:52] <Rail> xpi-devtools would be a solution. :)
[07:52] <persia> Indeed, although it would also need to be something that met the needs of those maintaining the mozilla suite for both Debian and Ubuntu to be useful in Debian.
[07:52] <persia> I'm not sure it would be the right answer for iceweasel, but it might help for some of the extensions.
[07:53] <persia> I'd recommend discussion with the Ubuntu Mozilla Team (on #ubuntu-mozillateam) who are vastly more well informed than I.
[07:53] <Rail> ok
[07:55] <Rail> is there special tricks in debian/watch for xpi?
[07:56] <persia> I believe there are some special scripts used to drive the get-orig-source rules.  I don't know if they also provide watch file hooks.  I haven't looked at mozilla-devscripts in at least a year, and I know it's gotten better during that time.
[07:57] <persia> My areas of expertise are more about creating packages, updating packages, merging packages, splitting packages, adding patches to packages, replacing packages, etc.
[07:58] <persia> I'm less knowledgeable about things having to do with specific subclasses of packages.
[07:58] <Rail> np
[08:09] <DasEi> still probs with time, date - u tells me 7.30 , that's right with you ?
[08:09] <DasEi> 7.08, sorry
[08:10] <DasEi> DreamThief: whats your ubuntu-classroom time now ?
[08:13] <Rail> date --utc :)
[08:13] <qwebirc89708> hi
[08:15] <DasEi> k, same as date -u for me, 7.14 now
[10:22] <alifaan> How to upgrade a package properly already finished?
[16:27] <qwebirc14883> hi ubuntu :::D
[16:29] <aboSamoor> Hi, I don't know anything about packaging but I will try to read and understand :)
[16:34] <mmaret> aboSamoor: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
[16:35] <mmaret> or you can also search for IRC log
[16:35] <mmaret> and get previous lesson about this subject
[16:37] <mmaret> aboSamoor: for this morning session (that was a very short one) http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/08/06/
[16:37] <aboSamoor> mmaret, yeah, I was not precise. I tried the packaging tutorial many times. And every time I fail to sign and upload the packages. I was following the guides with the help of #ubuntu-motu
[16:38] <mmaret> ok sorry :)
[16:40] <aboSamoor> mmaret, packaging is not hard but I think it is more depends on experience and this signing problem is really annoying :(
[16:40] <mmaret> hoo yes!
[18:31] <stas> hi, is there any workaround to replace dh_lintian in debhelper v.6.0.4?


[00:39] <pangolin> beuno, czajkowski Just wanted to say congrats on your appointments to CC (little late) and welcome to the channel.
[00:40] <pangolin> err better late then never :)
[00:41] <elky> jussi, are you aware you have a guest jussi in here from an ubottu gateway?
[00:54] <genii-around> I don't have enough energy left at this point in the day to try and tell niftylettuce about devices and mountpoints... bleh...
[02:17] <tonyyarusso> Apparently not enough energy to maintain an IRC connection either :P
[03:22] <CarlFK> Salty_nick is setting of my troll-dar
[03:57] <urlin2u> please take a lokk at Staly_Nick at 19:55 and their choice of words
[03:58] <urlin2u> @#ubuntu
[03:58] <CarlFK> urlin2u: yeah, I have been watching...
[03:58] <CarlFK> not thrilled.
[03:59] <CarlFK> I made up the word troll-dar just now
[03:59] <pangolin> CarlFK: do you have +o in #kubuntu, if so he is in there also
[04:00] <CarlFK> pangolin: doubt it.
[04:00] <CarlFK> ill take a look
[10:25] <sagaci> just signed into IRC and got a PM from Lora, [21:23]	<Lora>	hii sex http://msnlive.info.ms
[10:25] <sagaci> looks like in #ubuntu
[10:25] <ikonia> I was just dealing with that now
[10:25] <ikonia> there you go, that should be sorted now
[10:25] <sagaci> righteo then
[10:27] <ikonia> hello theadmin
[10:27] <theadmin> Hey ikonia
[10:28] <ikonia> what's up ? (I was just reading your factoid push)
[10:28] <theadmin> ikonia: Well, see, we have the !grub factioid which also contains the link, however sometimes I thought it may be useful to only give the "RestoreGrub" link to avoid confusing people with the other ones.
[10:29] <ikonia> i was just reading the restoregrub one, and I don't like the document
[10:29] <ikonia> I agree with what you're saying a seperate factoid would be a good idea to split it out though
[10:30] <theadmin> ikonia: Yeah the document is a mess but I think it's the best we have?
[10:30] <ikonia> well.....that's not a green light to use it
[10:30] <ikonia> would it be possible to work on a new document a MUCH better document
[10:30] <ikonia> then link it
[10:30] <theadmin> Well, I might, if only I had *any* experience with grub2 -- I was horrified the moment I saw the config file and switched away to the old grub
[10:32] <ikonia> well, I can help you with chunks of it
[10:33] <ikonia> get the layout / structure sorted out, then we can fill in the technical details
[10:33] <theadmin> Hm, well, I must get myself an Ubuntu wiki account first I suppose.
[10:33] <ikonia> that is a good starting point.....yes
[10:34] <ikonia> there is another document I think is needed to marry this one up which is about ubuntu's grub2 install being useless for dual booting linux distros, more a warning that ties in with this one
[10:34] <theadmin> Oh, wait, it uses Launchpad accounts, hm... I think I had one
[10:34] <ikonia> a fair chunk of the re-install grub problems are arrising from people trying to dual boot
[10:35] <theadmin> ikonia: "useless for dual-booting Linux distros"? How so?
[10:35] <ikonia> well, the fact that the control files are held in /etc
[10:36] <theadmin> ikonia: Nothing stops you from writing something custom in /etc/grub.d/ and running update-grub
[10:36] <ikonia> it does from other distros
[10:36] <ikonia> as the other distros can't access /etc/grub on the ubuntu system
[10:36] <ikonia> but that's a seperate page
[10:36] <theadmin> ikonia: err... oh... I see.
[10:37] <ikonia> I think those two pages a warning/limitation page and a how to restore would be really useful
[10:38] <theadmin> Well, it currently does show how to recover with many various methods...
[10:38] <ikonia> it's not great and I don't think we should be using the other external CD's
[10:39] <theadmin> non-ubuntu ones are a bad idea here indeed
[10:39] <ikonia> it bascially gives you 1 command,
[10:39] <ikonia> it doesn't explain what to do, what the output should be, how to trouble shoot, how to (more advanced) use the grub shell to fix any issues
[10:40] <ikonia> that's what I mean by a better docuemnt
[10:40] <ikonia> document even
[10:40] <theadmin> ikonia: Yeah, my point exactly, wasn't sure if that's normal for an Ubuntu doc, I mean... I'm not into that, I usually get my info from the ArchWiki xD
[10:40] <ikonia> the ubuntu docs in the wiki vary from excellent to very poor
[10:41] <ikonia> hard to keep track on them all, but the link you've raised through the factoid is something (in my view) that's worth updating and doing a better job with
[10:42] <theadmin> It won't let me sign in, acts weirdly
[10:42] <theadmin> (I click "Sign on and continue", it goes back to the main page saying I'm signed in, but when I navigate to the article it appears I am signed off... hm)
[10:42] <ikonia> odd
[10:43] <theadmin> *hits Ctrl-F5* there we go, much better
[10:44] <ikonia> if you'll spend a bit of time doing a usable layout, eg: introduction, where to get the official tools, preperation, do some stuff, trouble shooting. I'll then help you fill it in with some content
[10:45] <ikonia> once that's done we can change the factoid and then look at maybe adding a more advanced section
[10:46] <theadmin> K, I'm working on it, give me a while
[10:46] <ikonia> no rush
[10:46] <ikonia> just send me a pm or ping me and we'll get on it
[10:47] <ikonia> I've not wrote any grub2 documentation yet so it will be a good way to brain dump, also Jordan_U has put in a big ammount of effort with grub2, so getting some input and opinions from him would be useful
[10:48] <theadmin> Hey um, what's the official spelling: "Software Center" or "Software Centre"?
[10:48] <ikonia> you're asking a UK guy, bad idea
[10:48] <theadmin> By "official" I mean the one used in Ubuntu when LANG=C
[10:48] <ikonia> we can always fix things like that later at review
[10:48] <ikonia> don't worry massive about that sort of thing
[10:48] <theadmin> Oh okay
[11:04] <theadmin> ikonia: Did you by any chance set your client to ignore pms from me? xD I can't seem to reach you there
[11:05] <theadmin> ikonia: I haven't saved it yet, by the way, um, I don't think it's ready enough to do so
[11:06] <theadmin> ikonia: Current state, more or less: https://pzt.me/7kuk
[11:07] <ikonia> nope, was just away from desk scanning things
[11:38] <tonyyarusso> I wish I actually knew what Fair Use law was on remixing works on YouTube.
[12:04] <jussi> tonyyarusso: the wikipedia article has some pretty good  info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
[12:28] <ikonia> !restoregrub is <reply> Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub
[12:28] <ikonia> !restoregrub
[12:29] <ikonia> Jordan_U: when you get chance could you review that page, put a cleaner basic update on but would like to grow it
[12:29] <ikonia> personally I'm not a fan of putting the boot-repair tools in there
[16:59] <oCean> trolls :(
[17:15] <popey> 'currently'
[17:21]  * oCean shrugs
[20:18] <Jordan_U> ikonia: The terminal instructions in the new grub page will not work. I'm working from my cellphone so I can't easily edit it now. "grub-install /dev/sda" is the same as "grub-install --boot-directory=/boot/ /dev/sda". In a LiveCD environment "/boot" is the squashfs/aufs, not /boot directory of the target system.
[20:19] <Jordan_U> ikonia: They can be fixed by adding instructions to mount the target system and pass the correct --boot-directory option or by chrooting in.
[20:59] <Resistance> i'm tryin to figure out whether #kubuntu has its own ops channel, does it?  or is this where stuff for it gets reported
[20:59] <Resistance> (if the ops trigger is used)
[21:02] <jussi> Resistance: nah, the highlights come here
[21:02] <Resistance> i see
[21:03] <Pici> Resistance: this channel serves all the Ubuntu core channels (#kubuntu included).  The ops trigger is customized for #kubuntu to list ops that have access there.
[21:03] <Resistance> i caught someone in #kubuntu asking a question that pertained to illegal acts (see !illegal)...
[21:03] <Resistance> i was hesitant to trigger the ops signal, but meh
[21:05] <Resistance> thanks, jussi, Pici.
[21:09] <Pici> handled
[21:35] <Pici> I'm going home, anyone here to look at ryaxnb and tensorpudding in #u-ot?
[21:36] <Myrtti> if I have to, but my concentration is vaning fast
[21:36] <oCean> again with the phones? :(
[21:36] <Myrtti> it's ryaxnb
[21:36] <Myrtti> what did you expect
[21:36] <oCean> yeah, my bad
[21:37] <oCean> If we only could ban 1 topic for a year...
[21:37] <elky> "stupid stuff" is a topic, yes?
[21:37] <oCean> elky: is that a trick question?
[21:38] <oCean> wait
[21:38] <oCean> http://i.imgur.com/kxBpi.gif
[23:20] <bastidrazor> can you please revive ubottu.
[23:21] <elky> !ping
[23:21] <elky> jussi, ^
[23:21] <bastidrazor> thank you :)
[23:21] <elky> jussi01, ^
[23:52] <Resistance> i take it ubottu exploded?
[23:53] <Resistance> Guest40382, i take it fixing ubottu is top priority?
[23:54] <Myrtti> probably not at this hour when it's almost 2am in where he is :-/
[23:54] <Resistance> well then that's problematic :P
[23:54] <Resistance> i kinda needed to quote one of its factoids
[23:55] <Resistance> specifically the one which has the unsupported derivatives thing
[23:56] <Resistance> the one that !crunchbang calls :P
[23:56] <Myrtti> c'est la vie


[01:00] <ijohnson[m]> cachio: thanks
[04:43] <mardy> 'morning!
[05:24] <mborzecki> morning
[05:24] <mborzecki> mardy: heya
[06:01] <pstolowski> morning
[06:07] <mardy> pstolowski: hi!
[06:46] <pstolowski> mardy: hey, a few minor suggestions to start services PR
[06:51] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[07:14] <zyga-mbp> good morning
[07:14] <pstolowski> hey zyga-mbp
[07:23] <mborzecki> mvo: one step closer https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10510
[07:24] <mvo> mborzecki: \o/ thanks. let me look
[07:36] <mvo> mborzecki: this looks very good
[07:37] <mborzecki> mvo: as it says in the descritpion, the bit to restore the old model of final reseal fails is missing still
[07:38] <mborzecki> we didn't really have to do it until now, as remodelCtx.Finish() was end of the road for this change and could not fail, but now we have one more step which can actually fail
[07:38] <mborzecki> well, unlikely but still
[07:39] <mvo> mborzecki: *nod*
[07:44] <pedronis> hello, https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10376 needs a 2nd review, it's simple-ish
[07:47] <mardy> pedronis: +1
[07:48] <pedronis> thx
[07:48] <pstolowski> i'm still looking at it
[07:49] <pstolowski> 1 minor comment so far
[07:49] <pedronis> pstolowski: could you do a 2nd review of https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10437 when you have a bit of time as you are a bit familiar with quotas
[07:49] <pstolowski> pedronis: will do
[07:50] <pedronis> thx
[07:52]  * pstolowski physio
[08:24] <mardy> mvo: the microk8s user/group did not make it in time for 2.51.2, did it?
[08:24] <mvo> mardy: it did not
[08:24] <mvo> mardy: was it marked 2.51?
[08:24] <mvo> (also in a meeting)
[08:24] <mvo> (sry!)
[08:25] <mardy> mvo: I didn't mark it in any way, at least. I'm unfamiliar with the release process. But no worries! I'll just let the microk8s people that the thing is in the master branch
[08:25] <mvo> mardy: yeah, edge should be fine
[08:25] <mvo> mardy: we can chat after my meeting
[09:00] <pstolowski> re
[09:07] <mardy> pstolowski: re. Too bad that the domain phys.io is already taken
[09:07] <pstolowski> heh
[09:13] <pstolowski> pedronis: re validation sets asserts refresh, i think we need to refresh monitored and enforced ones separately because conflicts should prevent commit only for enforced ones, right?
[09:16] <pedronis> pstolowski: correct
[09:16] <pstolowski> ty
[09:26] <mardy> I'm exploring the idea of having snapd retrieve the credentials (=name, I guess) of the snap which is making a request via snapctl, and then execute a program under the snap's own confinement. Any suggestions on where in the code to look at, in case we have already something similar?
[09:35] <pedronis> mardy: the context ctlcmd.Run receives has that information
[09:35] <pedronis> mvo: I reviewed https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10264 again
[09:50] <pstolowski> pedronis: i proposed a draft https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10511, it is obviously missing tests. a quick look and high level feedback would be helpful
[09:54] <pedronis> pstolowski: thx, I'll try to look after lunch
[09:54] <pstolowski> thx
[09:56] <mvo> pedronis: thank you, excellent points
[11:14] <mborzecki> hmm did we land something for nested? `/bin/bash: line 109: /home/gopath/src/github.com/snapcore/snapd/tests/lib/tools/nested-state: No such file or directory`
[11:33] <ijohnson[m]> morning folks
[11:33] <ijohnson[m]> bboozzoo: I know I saw some PR's from cachio about nested stuff, not sure if they landed or not
[11:33] <pstolowski> hey ijohnson[m]
[11:34] <ijohnson[m]> o/
[11:34] <pstolowski> ijohnson[m], mborzecki : https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10419 not landed yet
[11:35] <ijohnson[m]> pstolowski: I thought there were smaller ones too
[11:35] <ijohnson[m]> like this one https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10500
[11:35] <ijohnson[m]> that one landed
[11:43] <pedronis> mvo: either I'm confused or we are getting again delta failures
[11:44] <ijohnson[m]> fun
[11:44] <pedronis> mvo: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10376/checks?check_run_id=3017856286
[11:45] <mvo> pedronis: oh no, looking
[11:46] <mvo> pedronis: I will raise this with the store again
[11:48] <pstolowski> ijohnson[m]: hmm indeed
[11:58] <pedronis> pstolowski: I looked at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10511, thx
[11:58] <pstolowski> pedronis: thank you!
[12:00] <mardy> do we have any place in snapd where we are calling a process via snap-confine?
[12:00] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: there are other "helper" tools that snap-confine calls
[12:00] <zyga-mbp> mardy: directly?
[12:00] <ijohnson[m]> like snap-update-ns iirc
[12:00] <zyga-mbp> mardy IIRC we only call it via snap-run
[12:00] <zyga-mbp> (except in some tests perhaps)
[12:02] <mardy> zyga-mbp: I mean like the hooks: AFAIU they are run under the snap confinment and are triggered by snapd
[12:03] <pstolowski> mardy: hooks also run via snap-run -> snap-confine
[12:04] <zyga-mbp> mardy: hooks execute through snap run
[12:04] <zyga-mbp> snap run --hook IIRC
[12:06] <pedronis> mardy: if you want to add a new variant of running things as the snap it probably needs to be added as a feature of "snap run"
[12:06] <zyga-mbp> mardy what are you thinking about?
[12:06] <pedronis> mardy: calling snap-confine from snapd directly is not something I would do
[12:07] <pedronis> mardy: you might need to be careful not to call something that the snap can modify or influence though, or reason that is not a problem
[12:08] <pedronis> mborzecki: I did a quick first pass on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10510
[12:09] <zyga-mbp> mardy: snap run provides the right input (environment) to snap-confine
[12:15] <mardy> zyga-mbp, pedronis: I was investigating the idea of having the mount operation (for the mount-control interface) being executed in a separate process running under the snap's own confinement. So, if the mount succeeds, we know that the client had the right permissions, and we can create the mount unit (if the mount is persistent)
[12:15] <zyga-mbp> mardy: hmmm
[12:16] <pedronis> mardy: this is complex because you need to think whether the snap can manipulate its mount namespace to cheat and make that binary return happy even when it shouldn't
[12:16] <zyga-mbp> mardy: that is tricky, for once, we define the confinement so it could be that we are measuring ourselves
[12:16] <zyga-mbp> mardy: on some systems all mount calls are allowed, so that would also be confusing as the snap would have different behavior (as in what snapd does) based on that
[12:17] <pedronis> mardy: I suppose you could look/have to look at the mount table after instead of trusting the return of the invocation
[12:17] <zyga-mbp> mardy: if anything I would do it as a function of the apparmor profile (which is an opaque text) and extend it to carry information about allowed mount calls
[12:17] <mardy> zyga-mbp: ah, you mean if apparmor is disabled? that's a good point
[12:17] <zyga-mbp> mardy: or doesn't mediate mount
[12:18] <zyga-mbp> mardy: then you could explicitly allow that in mount snippets and reliably test for that without doing so in the running system
[12:18] <pedronis> but yes, also what zyga said, on some systems we don't have apparmor, but especialyl for persistent mounts we want to follow our own constraints
[12:18] <mardy> pedronis: sure, that's what I meant; but now zyga-mbp raised another issue, where apparmor is either disabled or not mediating mount. I guess we would still want snapd to block the operation?
[12:19] <pedronis> yes, if snapd is mediating and it's about generate persistent host mounts, we don't want to allow it even on those systems
[12:19] <zyga-mbp> mardy: yes, then you could do that regardless of the actual sandbox being able to do that effectively
[12:19] <pedronis> also because the difference of behavior is too big
[12:19] <zyga-mbp> I agree with pedronis
[12:19] <pedronis> on top of the security concern
[12:20] <mardy> and I agree with both of you, then :-)
[12:20] <mardy> it's a pity, though :-)
[12:20] <zyga-mbp> mardy: it's a bit more complex since apparmor profile has many items inside
[12:20] <zyga-mbp> including sup profiles and hats
[12:20] <zyga-mbp> and it is unclear how to test against that as a whole
[12:21] <zyga-mbp> but you could do something like this
[12:21] <zyga-mbp> change the apparmor spec to model allowed mount operations
[12:21] <zyga-mbp> validate against _that_ in your logic
[12:21] <zyga-mbp> and replace the literal text in apparmor snippets, that describe mount calls, with generated snippets based on the allowed mount operations
[12:22] <zyga-mbp> this way you have the _effective_ same text of the apparmor snippet
[12:22] <zyga-mbp> but you can ask questions against the apparmor.Spec object
[12:22] <zyga-mbp> not sure if this is something you considered or if pedronis agrees, this is just my suggestion
[12:22] <mborzecki> pedronis: thanks
[12:24] <mardy> zyga-mbp: I'm afraid I don't understand your suggestion :-( What I currently have is this: https://github.com/mardy/snapd/blob/mount-control/interfaces/builtin/mount_control.go#L259
[12:25] <zyga-mbp> mardy: look at interfaces/apparmor.Spec
[12:25] <zyga-mbp> go doc it
[12:25] <zyga-mbp> what if it had a Spec.IsMountAllowed(...)
[12:25] <zyga-mbp> that's what I'm describing
[12:26] <zyga-mbp> right now snapd generates the apparmor profile but the information is lost in untyped strings
[12:26] <zyga-mbp> I'm suggesting to change that, so for the specific case of mount rules, snapd would understand that part
[12:26] <zyga-mbp> do you see where this is going?
[12:29] <mardy> zyga-mbp: yes. OTOH, I wonder if we really want to tie it to apparmor, or have it as part of a more MAC-agnostic logic
[12:29] <zyga-mbp> mardy: that's a good question
[12:30] <zyga-mbp> mardy: it could be a separate new type of backend that really is used as input to other backends (e.g. apparmor and seccomp)
[12:30] <mardy> yes, that would make sense
[12:32] <zyga-mbp> mardy and at some point, it's all going to be landlock and eBPF :-)
[12:49] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: do we need to make a PR to snapcraft? I get this error if I declare the new microk8s user: "Issues while validating snapcraft.yaml: The 'system-usernames' property does not match the required schema: 'snap_microk8s' is not a valid system-username."
[12:53] <mardy> or maybe my declaration is wrong...
[12:54] <mardy> ah, I guess I need to add it here: https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/blob/405c576553d22be9727f681f8cda88b220b39f30/schema/snapcraft.json#L522
[12:54] <ijohnson[m]> mardy yes
[12:55] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: I guess I can create the branch and submit a PR already - or do we need to a new snapd release carrying this change?
[12:59] <ijohnson[m]> mardy let's chat in the SU
[13:38] <mardy> ijohnson[m], pedronis: do you prefer adding the microk8s user to the snapcraft pattern, or use snap_*?
[13:40] <ijohnson[m]> mardy for now just following snap_daemon makes sense
[13:41] <ijohnson[m]> When we need to add a 3rd user then we should do something different I think
[13:43] <pedronis> that sounds fine to me, just wanted to clarify the principle
[14:15] <futuretim_> is spread _only_ available as a snap?
[14:15] <om26er> Hi! How can I make my python based snap to use python 3.9 ?
[14:16] <ijohnson[m]> futuretim_: either as a snap, or as a binary you download or build from source
[14:16] <futuretim_> ijohnson[m]: of course from source :P
[14:16] <om26er> The software I am trying to update, recently added the Python 3.9 requirement, so now I need to figure that out
[14:18] <futuretim_> om26er: there's a forum thread about something similar I believe, also hello :)
[14:19] <om26er> futuretim_ Hey Tim
[14:20] <om26er> futuretim_ I haven't found any useful thread regarding that. One option I could think of is to NOT use the python plugin and install my package using `override-build` stanza and also adding python3.9 to stage-packages
[14:21] <om26er> however I was wondering if there is a way to tell the Python plugin to use a different version of Python instead of the default that it picks from the relevant core snap
[14:23] <futuretim_> om26er: it doesn't seem like it: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/proposal-extensive-python-version-support-for-python-plugin/19140
[14:23] <futuretim_> That's a thread about a plan to do that?
[14:29] <mardy> it's "funny" how the HACKING.md document of snapcraft does not say how to actually build and run snapcraft :-)
[14:38] <futuretim_> mardy: i've done it a little bit from source, it's not too bad
[14:40] <futuretim_> I'm trying to run the spread smoke test and have gotten to this point: "Cannot allocate qemu:ubuntu-core-20-64: cannot launch qemu qemu:ubuntu-core-20-64: exec: "kvm": executable file not found in $PATH"
[14:40] <futuretim_> i'm using the snap based spread, qemu-kvm is installed
[14:41] <futuretim_> oh, and I just tried kvm directly and it works.. so it's a snap based problem?
[14:41] <ijohnson[m]> futuretim_: do you need to run uc20 spread tests specifically ?
[14:42] <pedronis> ironically the spread snap is not regularly updated and has known quirks/limitations
[14:42] <futuretim_> ijohnson[m]: oh actually, not necessarily. Just "playing" at the moment. Want to familiarize myself with spread's capabilities.
[14:43] <futuretim_> is there something about those that wouldn't work?
[14:44] <ijohnson[m]> futuretim_: for now I would recommend running non-uc20 spread tests, you need to tweak spread in confusing ways to be able to use uc20, since it requires uefi which is different from all the others systems which just use plain ol bios
[14:44] <futuretim_> ijohnson[m]: ok, thanks for the note.. but that doesn't really explain my specific issue, does it?
[14:45] <ijohnson[m]> futuretim_: ah sorry you're right, yeah the spread snap runs in strict and so it doesn't have kvm inside the snap, usually the spread snap is just used to run tests in the cloud, for now I would recommend using the binary directly
[14:45] <ijohnson[m]> futuretim_: updating the spread snap to be more usable is on our (long) todo list
[14:45] <futuretim_> ijohnson[m]: ok, can do. thanks!
[14:47] <mardy> I'm getting a "Cannot find snapcraft's data files." error when running a locally build copy of snapcraft (./setup.py install from within the LXC container)
[14:51] <ijohnson[m]> @mardy probably have better luck asking in #snapcraft
[14:52] <futuretim_> mardy: check setup_dirs though
[14:55] <futuretim_> I get access denied on this path from the snapd HACKING markdown:  curl https://niemeyer.s3.amazonaws.com/spread-amd64.tar.gz
[14:59] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: ah, didn't know there was a specific channel
[14:59] <mardy> futuretim_: thanks, looking...
[15:10] <zyga-mbp> futuretim_ spread snap seems to be unmaintained
[15:10] <zyga-mbp> futuretim snap based spread cannot use some backends (kvm/lxd)
[15:10] <zyga-mbp> futuretim you are much better off building your own
[16:12]  * cachio lunch
[17:19] <pedronis> ijohnson[m]: does https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10165 need more reviews? (I can't quite review it myself as I started it)
[17:44] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis no I don't think so
[17:44] <ijohnson[m]> It should be good to go
[17:44] <ijohnson[m]> I think I was just waiting for tests to be green
[18:00] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: yeah I checked and the tests are all happy there, since I added the fix to the reboots variant, I haven't seen those tests fail once in CI out of maybe 3 runs (triggered by new commits I pushed)
[18:14]  * ijohnson[m] afk for a few hours, back in PM
[18:15] <pedronis> ijohnson[m]: is this also unneeded https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10165/files#diff-62e70d55d61af70f84fe10b18afbdc094bc67bc9ee884f9f522b91e09335b1d7R20 ?
[18:16] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: ah hmm probably but it would be good to do that in a followup
[18:37] <futuretim_> anybody try RustPython in a snap as their Python runtime? :)
[18:38] <futuretim_> what about making the Python a WASM WASI module and using that instead... that sounds appealing
[19:15] <cachio> ijohnson[m], I already updated the pr for the nested retry tool
[19:15] <cachio> thanks for the review
[22:43] <futuretim> I don't suppose there's a way to learn more about the Snap store outside of existing API docs?
[23:55] <futuretim> anybody interested and didn't already see the forum posts, hacking on an open source store implemtnation over at #freetocompute


[12:46] <mpt> Just drafted: Design sketches for LVM in the Ubuntu installer <https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1bZ4yQIVgGaUGSYu3qiUHnQt3ieBZoqunP_DcleHCr3I/edit#heading=h.v8wi3omt1z0>
[13:56] <mpt> Just completed: Design for accessing the error reports you submitted with the error tracker. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#previous>


[01:39] <bazhang> !find lightread
[01:43] <WarlockS> Hey, I was wondering if there was a version of Lightread for 12.10B1
[01:45] <Daekdroom> There might be in a PPA or something like that.
[02:19] <needhelp1>  Hello all, im helping to pull some data for Ubuntu Beta releases and have a very short survey up on google documents found here. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFdSTUgzREoyeFZNSWRHSjlXMGYteGc6MQ    Anyone interested please take the survey and feel free to share the link. The results will be published in two weeks to the public domain.
[02:19] <needhelp1> any help would be greatly appreciated
[02:19] <bazhang> needhelp1, no polling here
[02:21] <eamon> What is the most stable version of kubuntu 12.10?
[02:21] <bazhang> there is none, its in beta eamon
[02:22] <needhelp1> bazhang, sure thing. sorry for the inconvenience.
[02:26] <eamon> bazhang: I was assuming that ubuntu's "beta 1" was more stable than the nightly. I was wondering if something similar existts for kubuntu, for which I can only find nightlys. Do you maintain that my initial presumption is incorrect?
[02:27] <bazhang> eamon, it's in development. not released means not stable.
[02:30] <eamon> that's a dichotomous meaning. from my wording, namely the inclusion of a superlative, it was quit easy to deduce that I was employing the non-technical use
[02:30] <eamon> bazhang^
[02:31] <bazhang> !info unity-2d
[02:32] <eamon> Is there a beta release of kubuntu?
[02:33] <tambu> Hey guys, 12.10 is there a way to switch to 2D mode of unity? my graphics card has issues with it
[02:33] <bazhang> yes there is
[02:34] <bazhang> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Beta1/Kubuntu eamon
[02:35] <bazhang> augh ask and quit
[02:35] <trism> tambu: if you install gnome-panel, gnome classic (no effects) should work, otherwise unity is supposed to fallback to using software rendered graphics with llvmpipe but I haven't really played with it
[02:46] <Daekdroom> llvmpipe might not be working very well with Unity yet.
[02:50] <tambu> trism: I can't get package manager to pull up compwiz keeps crashing. will "apt-get install gnome-panel" work?
[02:51] <trism> tambu: yep
[02:57] <tambu> trism ok installed "gnome-panel" not sure what you mean by gnome classic (no effects) is that a tool someplace?
[02:57] <Daekdroom> tambu, it's a session option in the login screen
[02:57] <bazhang> it's a choice in the login window
[02:57] <ChogyDan> hey, um, how can I change the mounting mount point behaviour back to the old method?
[02:57] <ChogyDan> Im not sure Im saying it right
[02:57] <tambu> ah ok logging off :)
[02:58] <bazhang> ChogyDan, fstab?
[02:58] <ChogyDan> bazhang: you mean, just create fstab entries for the partitions
[02:58] <bazhang> ChogyDan, you need the uuid?
[02:59] <ChogyDan> no, Im just used to double clicking in Computer
[03:02] <tambu> trism: Sorry guys logged off and even rebooted after installing "gnome-pane" I don't see any options to change the login session is there an obvious step I missed?
[03:02] <ChogyDan> tambu: you don't see gnome-classic?
[03:03] <ChogyDan> tambu: you need to click the icon in the upper right
[03:03] <trism> tambu: there is an ubuntu symbol next to your name on the greeter
[03:04] <tambu> trism: ah thanks I saw that there before I installed gnome-class and had clicked on it to no effect.. didn't realize it was added there
[03:06] <trism> tambu: ahh interesting, didn't realize it was non-functional with only one session
[03:39] <SolarAquarion> Something is wrong with my file system  /msg NickServ identify
[03:39] <SolarAquarion> http://privatepaste.com/76ec175a69
[04:55] <wilee-nilee> SolarAquarion, what is the OS you have?
[05:45] <gnomefreak> good morning/night
[07:53] <rose7676> help
[07:53] <rose7676> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:53] <rose7676>  fglrx : Depends: xorg-video-abi-11 but it is not installable
[07:53] <rose7676>          Recommends: fglrx-amdcccle but it is not going to be installed
[07:53] <rose7676> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[07:53] <jokerdino> rose7676: tried apt-get -f install yet?
[07:54] <rose7676> jokerdino, Building dependency tree
[07:54] <rose7676> Reading state information... Done
[07:54] <rose7676> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:54] <rose7676> ?\
[07:55] <jokerdino> ah
[07:55] <rose7676> 12.04 and 12.10
[07:56] <tsimpson> rose7676: you have been answered in #ubuntu-devel already
[07:56] <rose7676> tsimpson, kk
[07:56] <tsimpson> for anyone else who's interested: it's broken right now, just have to wait
[07:57] <jokerdino> thanks tsimpson
[09:51] <md_5> ...... last night I installed 600mb of Ubuntu beta updates, now it wants me to get another 114mb
[09:52] <tsimpson> welcome to development releases
[09:55] <md_5> tsimpson debian dev isnt that bad :P
[09:55] <md_5> Mind you I dont have many packages on that install
[09:55] <tsimpson> because debian only release every decade or so :p
[09:55] <md_5> tsimpson still waiting for 7.0 final :P
[09:56] <md_5> My server has been running 7 for about 9 months now
[10:31] <pwuertz> Hi! Is anyone else having trouble with empathy in 12.10 as well? The application worked very well in 12.04 but after the upgrade it keeps disconnecting every few hours and often looses the google talk credentials completely...
[11:13] <ironhalik> hmm, anyone noticed issue with text input?
[11:13] <ironhalik> lately
[11:15] <BluesKaj_> Hi all
[11:16] <vega-> pwuertz: yes, sometimes it doesn't go online after boot ..
[11:19] <pwuertz> oh.. and who is responsible for this bad default behavior of blocking applications from accessing systray?
[11:20] <pwuertz> can't this be enabled for 12.10 again?
[11:23] <SolarAquarion> wilee-nilee ubuntu 12.10
[11:44] <SolarAquarion> Ubuntu 12.10 http://privatepaste.com/76ec175a69
[11:53] <SolarAquarion> Something on my ubuntu system is wrong http://privatepaste.com/76ec175a69 i am using ubuntu 12.10
[13:19] <[4-tea-2]> Greetings, can anybody reproduce this: Shotwell, Preferences, turn on the "Publishing" plugin for "Picasa Web Albums", select a picture, choose "Publish" from the "File" menu -> "Unable to publish" error msg
[14:32] <sebas_> How can I start Ubuntu in videocompat. mode?
[15:31] <Debolaz> Where is this new sync indicator that was announced for beta1? I've set up Ubuntu One, and I don't see it.
[16:02] <Captain_Proton> does anyone know if they plan on integrating lighting in the time/date applet?
[16:31] <pinnen> Hi, I am about to install "Ubuntu 12.10 beta1" and I am using the normal amd64 -install -disk, with an nvidia 8800GT -graphics card, but the installation fails.. when i press .. "Start ubuntu setup" from the install usb I made.. I get this question.. "Undefined video mode number: 0" .. And when it tries to boot X11(the installer) the driver seems to crash.. and I get strange colors and nothing happens. Any tips? :)
[16:40] <pinnen> http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/261199_245626455450319_100000089002863_1093936_4275477_n.jpg
[16:40] <pinnen> It looks something like that
[16:42] <trism> pinnen: if you hit f6 from the syslinux menu when booting the iso, you should be able to enable nomodeset which sometimes works around those sort of problems
[16:43] <trism> pinnen: unless you're using unetbootin in which case you might have to manually add it to the line
[16:45] <pinnen> trism: yes, I just found that out.. thanks! It did the trick >D
[16:45] <pinnen> sorry to disturb :(
[16:46] <pinnen> one sould read just a little more before asking.. :)
[16:46] <pinnen> thx m8
[16:47] <trism> pinnen: not disturbing at all, feel free to continue asking questions, that's what we are here for
[17:03] <Captain_Proton> does anyone know if they plan on integrating lighting in the time/date applet?
[17:04] <jbicha> pinnen: I filed bug 1049650 for it
[17:05] <jbicha> well at least one part of your problem, you might be having other issues
[17:23] <alkisg> Hi, I see no i386 version in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.10/beta-1/, should I download the daily instead? Is it installable?
[17:25] <trism> alkisg: http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/
[17:25] <alkisg> Thank you trism
[17:32] <alkisg> Btw, is 12.10 installable in vbox (no 3D) now that unity-2d is missing?
[17:33] <jtaylor> alkisg: yes it now uses llvmpipe
[17:33] <alkisg> Cool
[17:33] <jtaylor> but there are still issues
[17:34]  * alkisg is just trying to verify that keyboard layouts for languages != english are still broken since lightdm landed...
[17:35] <alkisg> 12.04 didn't solve that, maybe now they'll put an iso testing task there, solve the problem and backport it to 12.04, as it's really annoying not being able to type in one's language...
[17:36] <alkisg> That part broke first in gdm, we sent patches, then in gdm2, patches again, then in lightdm, accountsservice, ubiquity-dm... progress gets backwards there :(
[19:31] <smallfoot-> hi
[19:32] <smallfoot-> i just run an update today
[19:32] <smallfoot-> and now my fonts look thin and ugly
[19:35] <jtaylor> have that too, forced me back to precise ._.
[19:36] <trism> smallfoot-: as mentioned in bug 1049963 do you have ubuntu-default-settings installed?
[19:37] <smallfoot-> oh
[19:37] <smallfoot-> no i dont
[19:37] <smallfoot-> should i?
[19:37] <trism> smallfoot-: yes that is where the hinting setting is now
[19:37] <trism> (fonts look fine here on my desktop)
[19:38] <jbicha> smallfoot-: do you use Unity?
[19:38] <smallfoot-> no, i use gnome-session-fallback (classic)
[19:38] <jbicha> smallfoot-: you could install ubuntu-gnome-default-settings if you like, it doesn't have as many overrides as ubuntu-default-settings
[19:39] <smallfoot-> why doesn't ubuntu-desktop depend on ubuntu-default-settings ?
[19:39] <jbicha> it does
[19:39] <smallfoot-> and why was font hinting dropped from g-s-d?
[19:39] <trism> smallfoot-: forget to dist-upgrade?
[19:39] <jbicha> because it was moved to ubuntu-default-settings, we don't need the override in 2 places
[19:40] <jbicha> and some people may actually like the upstream defaults
[19:40] <smallfoot-> trism, i just run apt-get update & upgrade
[19:40] <trism> smallfoot-: it was just added so you'll need dist-upgrade to pull it in
[19:40] <smallfoot-> wow, upstream fonts are horrible ugly. is this how debian looks like?
[19:41] <smallfoot-> trism, thanks
[19:41] <jbicha> well GNOME actually uses fonts-cantarell by default, but yeah
[19:42] <smallfoot-> wow
[19:42] <smallfoot-> now i know why people use ubuntu instead of debian
[19:42] <smallfoot-> these fonts look fuggly
[19:43] <smallfoot-> gotta restart to get my fonts back pretty
[19:45] <smallfoot-> thanks, fonts look great again! stunning! :)