[05:00] <Kilos> morning all you peeps. hope you ready for another week at the grindstone
[05:39] <Squirm> shoot me now
[05:43] <Kilos> bang
[05:50] <Kilos> hi timkeller mazal
[05:51] <mazal> Môre oom Kilos
[06:14] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[06:15] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:15] <Maaz> superfly: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell superfly Good morning to you" 1 hour, 2 minutes and 14 seconds ago
[06:16] <Kilos> hehe
[06:17] <Squirm> I'm going to die today :/
[06:17] <Kilos> why Squirm ?
[06:17] <Squirm> and hello Kilos, superfly, mazal
[06:18] <Squirm> kind of went out last night :P
[06:18] <Kilos> hello young fella
[06:18] <Kilos> eish again
[06:18] <superfly> hi Squirm, Maaz
[06:18] <Maaz> lo
[06:18] <superfly> *mazal
[06:18] <Squirm> with many people who didn't have work today
[06:19] <Kilos> hi ludo
[06:19] <mazal> Morning superfly and Squirm and Ludo
[06:19] <mazal> Grrr , I reached 1 hour at work before this win ticked me off :P
[06:20] <Kilos> hehe
[06:20] <Kilos> backup format install
[06:20] <Kilos> or do recovery
[06:20] <Kilos> hehe
[06:20] <Kilos> eek of topic
[06:21] <superfly> a win annoying you? wow... normally a lose annoys me :-P
[06:21] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:22] <mazal> hehehehe
[06:22] <mazal> This "thing"  , right in the middle of a ton of works decides "win explorer has stopped working" ai
[06:23] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[06:23] <psydroid> hi Squirm
[06:23] <psydroid> hi superfly
[06:24] <superfly> hi psydroid
[06:24] <psydroid> and mazal and Ludo
[06:24] <superfly> Kilos: I released my software this weekend. Got more sleep on Sunday than I've had in a long time
[06:24] <psydroid> and whoever isn't awake yet
[06:25] <Kilos> wonderful superfly im happy for you. now dont set deadline stuff for a while
[06:25] <Kilos> lost sleep isnt easy to catch up
[06:26] <Kilos> unless you do like Squirm then sleep is easy its waking up thats hard to do
[06:27] <superfly> Kilos: yeah, but unlike Squirm, I don't go out partying
[06:27] <Kilos> yeah i know you like me, tea and coffee is good
[06:28] <superfly> A good cider is nice once in a while
[06:29] <Kilos> oh ya. by soda you mean coke etc
[06:31] <superfly> Kilos: no, cider, an alcoholic drink made using fruit like apples or pears (I've heard that pear ciders are quite divine)
[06:32] <Kilos> whew never tried them methinks, but amarula was nice
[06:39] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday  all good girl?
[06:39] <maiatoday> hi Kilos, yup thanks
[06:40] <maiatoday> busy :) but what's new. People want stuff finished for the end of the year
[06:40] <Kilos> you also gonna write a testimonial maiatoday ?
[06:40] <Kilos> eish
[06:40] <maiatoday> I could but I wonder if the team contact should.
[06:41] <maiatoday> I made a blog post with a slide show of the highlights of the photos anyway
[06:41] <Kilos> i think so , it will show why you love being the team contact
[06:42] <maiatoday> ok
[06:42] <Kilos> but hear what the others think
[07:08] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:08] <Vince-0> hi!
[07:39] <Kilos> hi jrgns
[07:54] <jrgns> morning Kilos
[08:07] <Kilos> wbb
[09:04] <magespawn> howdy room
[09:04] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[09:05] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[09:29] <magespawn> so whats up today?
[09:34] <charl_> hi hi
[09:34] <charl_> hi magespawn, Kilos
[09:34] <charl_> Maaz: bring teh coffee
[09:34] <Maaz> charl_: Huh?
[09:34] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[09:34]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:35] <Kilos> hi charl_
[09:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[09:35] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[09:37] <magespawn> hey charl_
[09:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[09:39] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[09:39] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[09:39] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:39] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[09:50] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[09:50] <Maaz> Squirm: There isn't a pot on
[09:50] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[09:50]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:54] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm!
[09:55]  * Squirm jumps up and down in excitement
[09:55] <Squirm> thank Maaz
[09:55] <Squirm> Maaz: botsnack
[09:55] <Maaz> What do you want Squirm Trying to butter me up or something?
[09:55] <Squirm> Maaz: botsnack
[09:55] <Maaz> What do you want Squirm Trying to butter me up or something?
[09:56] <mazal> I also want what is in that coffee :)
[10:06] <magespawn> testimonial done Kilos
[10:06] <Kilos> great ty magespawn
[10:11] <Kilos> just some from the foreign peeps would add more punch hey?
[10:12] <Kilos> like why sit in eu and chat here
[10:12] <Kilos> must be a reason
[10:13] <Kilos> because we so cool, thats why
[10:40] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[10:42] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[10:47] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Kilos hi
[10:47] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[10:47] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell inetpro Goeie môre boetie" 5 hours, 33 minutes and 21 seconds ago
[10:47] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[10:52] <Kilos> hehe hiya inetpro
[10:52] <Maaz> Kilos: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell Kilos hi" 4 minutes and 36 seconds ago
[11:11] <Kilos> hmmm looks like we communicate through the bot now
[11:29] <charl_> Maaz: botsnack
[11:29] <Maaz> What do you want charl_ Trying to butter me up or something?
[11:29] <charl_> yes for some coffee, it's snowing and i want a hot drink
[11:29] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[11:29]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[11:29] <charl_> gah there we go with the dirty mugs again... :P
[11:33] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[11:33] <Maaz> magespawn: Sure
[11:33] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and magespawn!
[11:36] <Symmetria> hrm
[11:36] <Symmetria> anyone here know postgres fairly well?
[11:39] <magespawn> nope
[11:39] <Symmetria> select prefix,withdrawl from against where prefix in (select distinct prefix from tracker where aspath like '%33770') and withdrawl = 1;
[11:39] <Symmetria> :( that doesnt work
[11:48] <magespawn> bbl
[12:07] <nuvolari> .
[12:07] <nuvolari> o/ aloha
[12:08] <nuvolari> just peeking in
[12:14] <Squirm> hello
[12:14] <Squirm> nuvolari
[12:14] <Squirm> :)
[12:43] <magespawn> o/
[12:44] <Kilos> o/
[12:44] <magespawn> zzzzzzzz
[12:45] <magespawn> \o/
[12:45] <Kilos> lol
[12:45] <Kilos> :-)>
[12:45]  * magespawn has been up since 03:30, and needs some shut eye
[12:45] <Kilos> what was the pro last night magespawn
[12:45] <magespawn> <:-)
[12:46] <mazal> Anybody here in silver lakes area ?
[12:46] <magespawn> sorry?
[12:46] <magespawn> Kilos
[12:47] <Kilos> the emergency call out man
[12:47] <magespawn> thought you were talking about inetpro
[12:47] <magespawn> just a router that seems to forget the username and password
[12:47] <Kilos> no man dodo
[12:47] <magespawn> see above
[12:48] <Kilos> big rain here and no ups on maverick
[12:48]  * magespawn has been up since 03:30, and needs some shut eye
[12:48] <Kilos> go sllep lad
[12:48] <Kilos> sleep as well
[12:48] <magespawn> ahh well then hope for stable eskom
[12:48] <magespawn> can't for another 2 and a half hours at least
[12:49] <Kilos> whew
[12:50] <magespawn> then i will be at home
[12:50] <inetpro> hmm...
[12:50] <magespawn> was falling asleep while i waited for the problem router to reboot
[12:51] <mazal> Bye all , see l8tr maybe
[12:52] <magespawn>  Maaz google silver lakes
[12:52] <Maaz> magespawn: "Silver Lake Country Club Golf & Weddings, Orland Park, IL" http://www.silverlakecc.com/ :: "Robert Trent Jones Golf Trail • Silver Lakes" http://www.rtjgolf.com/silverlakes/ :: "Silver Lakes Association - Home Page" http://www.silverlakesassociation.com/ :: "Silver Lake Sand Dunes Area, Silver Lake Michigan Hart, Mears ..."  I have used a 500gig before without problem
[17:29] <mazal> I never had a problem as all my movies I put on it is sd mp4 and never much bigger than 2gig
[17:29] <mazal> But the HD boys have a problem
[17:30] <magespawn> brb
[17:34] <magespawn> here you go
[17:34] <magespawn> http://m.techrepublic.com/blog/window-on-windows/format-fat32-drives-beyond-32gb-limit/5693
[17:36] <mazal> Ja the 32gig is only a windoze thing
[17:36] <mazal> Linux happily format large drives as fat32
[17:37] <mazal> But there must be a limit surely. I haven't reaced it yet though
[17:37] <mazal> reached even
[17:37] <magespawn> does that not create problems when moving it around between os' ?
[17:38] <mazal> Nope
[17:38] <mazal> Fat32 is actually one of the best multi OS formats
[17:38] <mazal> As almost anything supports it
[17:38] <magespawn> http://geeknizer.com/install-run-linux-applications-on-android/ this is from inetpro from g+
[17:38] <nuvolari> eww @ fat32
[17:38] <nuvolari> :P
[17:39] <mazal> I wouldn't use it for pc though
[17:39] <mazal> Just for movie store for ps3
[17:40] <magespawn> i thought it might give problems because of windoze not expecting the bigger size
[17:41] <mazal> No Microsoft with their control issues just doesn't allow you to format fat32 past 32gig
[17:41] <mazal> In Windoze
[17:41] <mazal> But if you format the drive in linux or 3rd party util in Windoze like swissknife the windoze works perfectly with it
[17:42] <mazal> MS just put it into their own default formatter
[17:42] <mazal> clowns
[17:44] <mazal> They mos want to force and control everything you do
[17:44] <mazal> Can still remember how we all had to search for 3rd party partition tools back when the ps3 came out
[17:51] <superfly> mazal: if you think microsoft is bad, you haven't tasted apple
[17:52] <mazal> Never worked on an apple , way above my budget :P
[17:53] <mazal> Could never figure out why they are so expensive
[17:53] <tumbleweed> ick, fat32
[17:54] <tumbleweed> if you want a modern cross-platform filesystem, apparently UFS is writeable from most OSs
[17:54] <tumbleweed> (the DVD UFS, not BSD UFS)
[17:59] <mazal> Wish I could make the ps3 see samba shares , now that would be nice
[18:00] <tumbleweed> I thought they could see uPnP shares
[18:00] <mazal> They can and I used media streaming for quite a while
[18:01] <mazal> But struggled to get it working properly on ubuntu
[18:01] <mazal> I always got either graphic problems or performance problems or disconnects
[18:02] <mazal> So I just went with the "dump it on an external" route eventually
[18:22] <charl_> good evening
[18:22] <magespawn> hey charl_
[18:23] <charl_> hi magespawn
[18:23] <charl_> hi zeref
[18:26] <zeref> hi charl_
[18:28] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[18:29] <Kilos> wonder if we can catch the weed for a testimonial?
[18:29] <Kilos> where is yours charl_ ?
[18:30] <tumbleweed> Kilos: yeah, intending to write one
[18:30] <Kilos> and who is the LionThinker?
[18:30] <Kilos> great ty tumbleweed
[18:30] <Kilos> we gotta support our maia
[18:36] <Kilos> using parted magic for the first time. looks good but very slow tosecure erase a drive
[18:36] <Kilos> also wrned me disk failure imminent, Backup NOW
[18:36] <Kilos> hehe
[18:36] <mazal> Parted magic is always in my bag
[18:37] <mazal> Is that the 2tb oom Kilos ?
[18:38] <Kilos> ya but i not giving up just yet. im sure ill get a year or 2 more out of it
[18:38] <Kilos> just partition and not use the whole bad area
[18:39] <mazal> Sjoe that drive has given you a hard time
[18:39] <Kilos> that dd commands zeros a drive in a second
[18:39] <Kilos> this is a 6 hour job
[18:39] <Kilos> only because it wont take ubuntu
[18:40] <Kilos> on sucks it works fine
[18:40] <mazal> That's weird
[18:40] <Kilos> ubuntu is very sensitive to bad drives
[18:41] <Kilos> but the 80g i have maverick on here gave the same warning 2 years ago i think it was
[18:42] <Kilos> a zero and a couple of low level formats and it came backto life
[18:45] <Kilos> found another tool too, but need to learn what all it can do
[18:46] <Kilos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1705325
[18:52] <mazal> I'm off
[18:52] <mazal> Sleep well everyone
[19:07] <magespawn> i am off for tonight, g'night all
[19:08] <Kilos> night magespawn
[19:08] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:09]  * inetpro lol at 03/12 18:03:05 <Kilos> hehe jy tender vir n hout overall
[19:11] <Kilos> het jy gesien ons bossie gaan ook n ding skryf
[19:12] <inetpro> Kilos: wag ek lees nog
[19:13] <inetpro> ahh, ok
[19:13] <inetpro> Ludo: wb
[19:13] <inetpro> Kilos: reen dit daar ook weer?
[19:13] <Kilos> ja
[19:14] <inetpro> sjoe
[19:14] <Kilos> val goed laaste 15 minute of so
[19:14] <inetpro> interesting weather today
[19:14] <Kilos> baie donnerweer
[19:14] <Kilos> hi smile-druk
[19:15] <smile-druk> hi quick Kilos :p
[19:15] <inetpro> morning rain, then sunshine, afternoon storm and rain, then sunshine and then evening rain again
[19:15] <Kilos> we need it inetpro , ground very dry
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: het jy smile se knoppie gedruk?
[19:16] <Kilos> is hy nie die leeu outjie nie?
[19:16] <Kilos> wie was dit
[19:16] <inetpro> good evening everybody
[19:16] <Kilos> rofl
[19:16] <smile> :D
[19:17] <Kilos> smile, what about your testimonial why you from there visit #ubuntu-za
[19:17] <smile> I'm already in #ubuntu-za ? :)
[19:17] <Kilos> and charl_ ??
[19:17]  * smile doesn't understand
[19:18] <inetpro> smile: ReApprovalApplication2012: http://bit.ly/WtOUPl
[19:18] <Kilos> ty inetpro you stole it up top
[19:18] <Kilos> you wanna borrow my email addy
[19:18] <inetpro> :-)
[19:19] <inetpro> Kilos: there's a reason why it is up there
[19:19] <Kilos> oh mines gone
[19:19] <Kilos> lemme restart xchat
[19:20] <Kilos> there back again
[19:21] <Kilos> mine showed hierdiw week nog
[19:21] <Kilos> weird
[19:21] <Kilos> hierdie
[19:22] <smile> Oh, the bottom of the page :)
[19:22] <smile> I don't know what to write, Kilos :o
[19:23] <Kilos> smile, just say why you as a linux user visit us daily
[19:24] <smile> well because ubuntu-za channel is open if I join in IRC :)
[19:24] <smile> and I do like you, guys :D
[19:24] <smile> And I like the Afrikaans language too :p
[19:25] <Kilos> tell the world not me lad
[19:25] <smile> where? testomanions? :p
[19:25] <smile> I can't write it, lol :'(
[19:25] <Kilos> yeah
[19:25] <Kilos> i couldnt either
[19:25] <Kilos> inetpro, why
[19:25] <smile> TESTOMONIALS? :p
[19:26] <Kilos> testimonials
[19:26] <inetpro> smile: login
[19:26] <Kilos> but i couldnt open it
[19:26] <Kilos> i dunno why
[19:26] <smile> inetpro: where? :p
[19:26] <Kilos> even logged in i couldnt
[19:26] <smile> wiki, inetpro ? :p
[19:26] <inetpro> Kilos: smile knows how to drive a wiki
[19:26] <smile> yes of course I do :D
[19:26] <smile> I have one myself :)
[19:26] <smile> But I don't do much with it :p
[19:27] <smile> and I'm admin of LXDE wiki :p
[19:27] <smile> My connection is slow :|
[19:27] <inetpro> smile: are you registered on launchpad?
[19:27] <inetpro> yes it is very slow
[19:27] <smile> yes, inetpro
[19:28] <smile> I joined the ubuntu-za team (just now)
[19:28] <inetpro> there should be a login link in top right or top left
[19:28] <inetpro> no, just left of "Help"
[19:29] <inetpro> Immutable Page Info Attachments Ubuntu Wiki Login Help
[19:30] <smile> yes i logged in ;)
[19:31] <smile> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication2012 <- see my testimonial :p
[19:31] <smile> I hope you like it
[19:31]  * inetpro goes to read
[19:32] <smile> bye :)
[19:32] <inetpro> hmm... nothing there yet
[19:32] <Kilos> not there
[19:32] <Kilos> wake up smile
[19:32] <smile> I'm leaving too :(
[19:32] <smile> Kilos: I saved it :p
[19:32] <smile> shift + F5? :p
[19:32] <inetpro> ahh...
[19:32] <Kilos> ok sort it tomorrow
[19:32] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:33] <Kilos> saved where
[19:33] <inetpro> nice one smile
[19:33] <inetpro> lekker slaap
[19:33] <smile> Kilos: on that page :)
[19:33] <smile> dankie, inetpro
[19:33] <Kilos> i dont see it
[19:33] <Kilos> grrr
[19:34] <smile> :(
[19:34] <smile>  I discovered ubuntu-za in search for an Afrikaans channel on freenode. I was already in ubuntu-nl-offtopic, lubuntu and ubuntu-nl channels. It goes even further, as a Wikipedian I joined freenode and set up an IRC account with ChatZilla. Since then, I learned to read and speak Afrikaans. I do like the people in ubuntu-za, because they talk to you and are curious to know more about you. I've...
[19:34] <smile> ...become a daily member of the ubuntu-za channel. Thank you guys!
[19:34] <Kilos> yip see it now
[19:34] <smile> bye Kilos :)
[19:34] <Kilos> well done laddy
[19:34] <smile> :D
[19:34] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:35] <Kilos> needed to reload that thing
[19:36] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[19:36] <Kilos> nag goosie
[19:36] <inetpro> nag oom
[21:07] <Vince-0> whoot
[21:07] <Vince-0> anyone awake?
[21:13] <superfly> no
[21:16] <Vince-0> yaawaan
[21:22] <Vince-0> NITE


[02:40] <monteslu_> how do i reset the keyboard setup for all users to be a standard US keyboard?
[02:42] <monteslu_> my quotes currently look like this  instead of  " and I have to hit the key twice to get it.
[02:42] <wantok> um. shift+key?
[02:43] <monteslu_> no, the apostrophe is without shift+, but that broken too btw
[02:43] <monteslu_> notice the funny  ?
[02:44] <wantok> ah
[02:44] <wantok> hehe
[02:44] <wantok> do you know what keymap you have?
[02:45] <monteslu_> no idea, nor how to fix it.
[02:45] <wantok> i think its a per user setting.
[02:45] <monteslu_> im on edubuntu 7.04
[02:45] <monteslu_> I guess I chose wrong doing the initial server install
[02:45] <wantok> was there a keyboard setting during install?
[02:46] <monteslu_> it something system wide
[02:46] <monteslu_> yeah, it asked me to type in keys and it would guess which layout it had
[02:46] <monteslu_> bad move
[02:46] <monteslu_> I should have said no and just picked US
[02:47] <monteslu_> maybe it something in xorg
[02:47] <wantok> is this just a terminal thing, or system wide?
[02:49] <monteslu_> system wide
[02:50] <LaserJock> monteslu: what does env| grep LANG give you?
[02:50] <monteslu_> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[02:53] <LaserJock> hmm, I know how to do it for an individual user
[02:53] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure how it's done system wide
[02:54] <monteslu_> it cool. Il work on it more tonight. bbl
[04:25] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:25] <LaserJock> sbalneav!!
[04:26] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock
[04:26] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I've been waiting for you, mwuahahaha
[04:26] <sbalneav> :)
[04:27] <LaserJock> ok, so crossover cable worked
[04:27] <LaserJock> but it can't find tftp
[04:27] <sbalneav> Excellent.
[04:27] <LaserJock> I get a timeout
[04:27] <sbalneav> ok, well, first things first.
[04:28] <sbalneav> What's your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file look like, and what's the ip address of your fixed interface?
[04:29] <LaserJock> ok, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34606/
[04:29] <LaserJock> and my eth0 is <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:31] <sbalneav> ok, looks fine.
[04:31] <sbalneav> netstat -an | grep :69
[04:31] <LaserJock> udp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:695             <IP_ADDRESS>:*
[04:31] <LaserJock> udp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:69              <IP_ADDRESS>:*
[04:32] <sbalneav> ok
[04:32] <sbalneav> Can't find tftp. or can't find the FILE it needs via tftp?
[04:32] <sbalneav> sudo ltsp-update-kernels
[04:33] <LaserJock> so I get dhcp
[04:34] <LaserJock> TFTP ....
[04:34] <LaserJock> PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout
[04:34] <sbalneav> You running gutsy?
[04:34] <LaserJock> Feisty
[04:34] <sbalneav> hm
[04:34] <sbalneav> What's the client?
[04:34] <LaserJock> ClassmatePC
[04:35] <sbalneav> That's pretty standard.
[04:35] <sbalneav> got stuff in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp?
[04:35] <LaserJock> in i386/ yeah
[04:36] <sbalneav> k
[04:36] <LaserJock> I see pxelinux.0
[04:36] <LaserJock> and kernel stuff
[04:36] <sbalneav> can you paste the result of ifconfig eth<whatever>
[04:37] <LaserJock> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34610/
[04:37] <sbalneav> seems ok
[04:38] <sbalneav> just on the off chance something's amiss
[04:38] <sbalneav> invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
[04:39] <LaserJock> no help :(
[04:40] <LaserJock> is there anything special I need to do because I'm using Ubuntu and not Edubuntu?
[04:40] <sbalneav> No
[04:40] <sbalneav> dpkg -l | grep tftp
[04:40] <LaserJock> ii  tftpd-hpa                                  0.43-1ubuntu2                              HPA's tftp server
[04:40] <sbalneav> that's ok
[04:42] <sbalneav> lets do this.  Add the line:
[04:42] <sbalneav> next-server <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:42] <LaserJock> in dhcpd.conf?
[04:42] <sbalneav> after the "option subnetmask"
[04:42] <sbalneav> in dhcpd.conf
[04:42] <sbalneav> then restart
[04:42] <sbalneav> invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
[04:45] <LaserJock> nope :/
[04:46] <sbalneav> Wierd.
[04:47] <sbalneav> Humour me.
[04:47] <sbalneav> change the ip address of the fixed interface to <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:47] <sbalneav> and remove the next-server line.
[04:47] <sbalneav> and restart dhcpd again
[04:48] <LaserJock> change the actual interface? not just in dhcpd.conf
[04:49] <sbalneav> yes
[04:49] <LaserJock> now, what about the gateway?
[04:49] <sbalneav> I'm wondering if something's hardcoded somewhere.
[04:49] <sbalneav> doesn't matter.
[04:49] <LaserJock> I wasn't sure what to do with the gateway
[04:50] <sbalneav> You're not going to be routing through anywhere.
[05:05] <LaserJock> trying
[05:05] <LaserJock> nope
[05:06] <LaserJock> sam thing
[05:06] <LaserJock> hmm, my other interface wouldn't be interfering would it?
[05:06] <sbalneav> what's the ip address of the other interface?
[05:06] <LaserJock> sbalneav: do you remember ogra having any problems with netbooting his Classmate?
[05:06] <sbalneav> No
[05:06] <sbalneav> and I've netbooted mine.
[05:06] <sbalneav> they should work fine.
[05:07] <LaserJock> my other interface is on 192.168.1.
[05:07] <sbalneav> If it's on .1, that should be fine.
[05:08] <sbalneav> anything in /var/log/daemon.log, or messages?
[05:10] <LaserJock> in messages ther's a lot of eth0: link down
[05:10] <LaserJock> eth0: link up
[05:10] <LaserJock> etc.
[05:10] <LaserJock> ohhhhhhhh!!!!
[05:10] <LaserJock> I'm an idiot!!!
[05:11] <LaserJock> I allow only 192.168.1.* in /etc/hosts.allow
[05:11] <sbalneav> ah
[05:11] <sbalneav> Well, nonstandard config, eh.
[05:11] <sbalneav> 20 raps on the knuckles for YOU! :)
[05:11] <LaserJock>  log/daemon.log was full of tftp saying connection refused
[05:11] <LaserJock> well, I've been broken into before, I've tried to tighten the ship
[05:12] <sbalneav> The great thing about Unix/Linux in geneal is, if there's something wrong, you can work through it/check in a log/SOMETHING, and find the answer.
[05:12] <sbalneav> On windows, you'dve just got a bluescreen, and that's that.
[05:13] <LaserJock> yep, exactly
[05:13] <LaserJock> daemon.log told me exactly what the problem was
[05:13] <sbalneav> Man, I've done a TON of updates today.
[05:13] <sbalneav> Fixed the security problem in ltspfs
[05:13] <sbalneav> simplified a ton of code.
[05:13] <sbalneav> cleaned up jetpipe some more
[05:14] <sbalneav> eliminated about 5 crufty files out of the tree
[05:14] <sbalneav> I is MOTORING.
[05:14] <sbalneav> just testing stuff now.
[05:16] <LaserJock> awesome
[05:18] <LaserJock> \o/ \o/ \o/
[05:18] <sbalneav> Woooooorkin?
[05:18] <LaserJock> it's .... alive!!!
[05:19] <sbalneav> Alive's always good.
[05:19] <sbalneav> Careful, once you get bitten by the thin client bug...
[05:19] <LaserJock> ldm!
[05:19] <sbalneav> That's the OLD ldm
[05:20] <sbalneav> Wait'll you see the NEW ldm
[05:21] <LaserJock> ok, now when go to a console
[05:21] <LaserJock> can I log in locally to the client
[05:22] <LaserJock> or is logging in on the server?
[05:33] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ^^
[05:34] <sbalneav> Which, a character console on the terminal?
[05:34] <sbalneav> alt-f1 you mean?
[05:34] <LaserJock> alt-f1
[05:35] <sbalneav> That would be on the client, and there's no logins defined there.
[05:35] <sbalneav> you'd have to set a root password in the chroot
[05:35] <sbalneav> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[05:35] <sbalneav> passwd
[05:35] <LaserJock> ah
[05:37] <LaserJock> well see if that works
[05:39] <LaserJock> sweet yeah
[07:33] <sbalneav> Man, what a night.
[07:33] <sbalneav> Heading to bed.
[07:33] <sbalneav> night
[08:01] <LaserJock> anybody know where ldm gets it xsession info?
[08:20] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage
[08:24] <jsgotangco> hi
[08:45] <highvoltage> hi LaserJock
[09:00] <highvoltage> RichEd-2: are you here at govtech? sabdfl and mdz are giving real nice talks
[09:02] <LaserJock> highvoltage: govtech?
[09:03] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yep
[09:03] <highvoltage> LaserJock: oh, right. govtech is an expo for technology in local government
[09:04] <highvoltage> people who decide things in government visit govtech and look at new technologies that government can use. there's a big open source awareness here this year.
[09:04] <LaserJock> cool
[09:05] <LaserJock> I wonder if they do anything like that here for state and local governments
[09:08] <zsh> highvoltage, hi, for which government is this govtech?
[09:09] <highvoltage> zsh: south african
[09:09] <RichEd> hello highvoltage
[09:10] <RichEd> hey LaserJock got your toy I see :)\
[09:10] <wantok> hi RichEd
[09:10] <highvoltage> hey RichEd
[09:10] <wantok> highvoltage, h
[09:10] <wantok> hi
[09:10] <zsh> hi
[09:10] <highvoltage> hi wantok
[09:10] <RichEd> mr goetz ... another nick change ?
[09:10] <RichEd> highvoltage: where is govtech happening ?
[09:10] <highvoltage> RichEd: CTICC
[09:11] <wantok> RichEd, only for a few days.
[09:11] <RichEd> highvoltage: is mdz here as well ? in cape town ?
[09:11] <highvoltage> RichEd: he is indeed, he's speeking in the Audi Auditorium atm
[09:11] <highvoltage> mark gave a keynote speech just before
[09:11] <RichEd> and did it go down well ?
[09:12] <LaserJock> RichEd: yes yes, I've showed it off to my boss and labmates
[09:12] <LaserJock> RichEd: they love the notetaking thingy
[09:12] <RichEd> LaserJock: and were they impressed with the device / price etc as a whole ?
[09:13] <LaserJock> well, "I can't type on this thing"
[09:13] <LaserJock> and some of the "Why wouldn't I just buy a real laptop"
[09:13] <RichEd> "the fatty finger syndrome ?"
[09:13] <LaserJock> but then I discussed the educational aspect
[09:13] <LaserJock> not as a personal laptop for professors ;-)
[09:14] <LaserJock> it's very light and has a long battery life
[09:14] <LaserJock> right now I basically can go all day on a charge
[09:14] <LaserJock> since I'm not doing a lot with it
[09:14] <LaserJock> I've been testing out the Windows install they're using
[09:15] <LaserJock> while trying to get my LTSP setup going so I can start working on putting Edubuntu on it
[09:15] <LaserJock> I don't think they're going to be able to do much with Windows until they get bigger drives
[09:15] <RichEd> LaserJock: you can get an image from oliver ...
[09:16] <LaserJock> doing much of anything cause it to run out of memory
[09:16] <LaserJock> then bad things start happening
[09:16] <LaserJock> they put MS Office 2003 on it (which surprised me) but I'm not sure how you'd use it for much
[09:16] <LaserJock> RichEd: yes, I need to
[09:17] <zsh> of which device are you speaking?
[09:18] <RichEd> zsh: the intel classmate PC
[09:18] <LaserJock> Intel ClassmatePC
[09:18] <LaserJock> it definitely seems speedy enough
[09:19] <zsh> and how is it compared to the olpc?
[09:20] <LaserJock> I don't have an olpc to specifically compare
[09:21] <LaserJock> but I imagine one of the big things is that the classmate runs a regular OS
[09:21] <LaserJock> so Windows XP, Madriva-derived, SUSE-derive, and Ubuntu/Edubuntu
[09:22] <zsh> I had the chance to try a olpc for 10 minutes
[09:24] <zsh> has the classmate a touchscreen?
[09:24] <LaserJock> no
[09:25] <LaserJock> at least not this version
[09:25] <LaserJock> it's a 7" 800x480 screen
[09:25] <LaserJock> Celeron M 900MHz processor
[09:25] <LaserJock> 2GB flash drive
[09:25] <LaserJock> 256MB RAM
[09:25] <LaserJock> intel graphics, raylink wireless
[09:28] <RichEd> http://www.classmatepc.com/ <- zsh
[09:28] <zsh> thx
[09:28] <LaserJock> on the app level I think the screen resolution is the killer
[09:29] <LaserJock> on Windows they've got a fairly nice app that somehow zooms/compresses the screen so 1024x768 fits
[09:29] <LaserJock> or something like that
[09:30] <zsh> "approximately 4 hours Usage" hmm
[09:31] <LaserJock> and it takes ~ 2hrs to charge back up
[09:48] <zsh> can I set a dummy audio device in pulseaudio?
[09:48] <zsh> because I have no audiodevice on my ltsp-server and flash crashes sometimes firefox
[09:49] <zsh> so I think a dummy audio device would solve the problem
[10:00] <pawan1234> hi
[10:00] <pawan> hi
[10:01] <pawan> how to install edubuntu
[10:01] <RichEd> pawan
[10:01] <pawan> yes
[10:01] <RichEd> just insert the CD and boot
[10:01] <pawan> cant it be used as a live cd
[10:01] <RichEd> decide if you want to dual boot (keep old partition) or complete install
[10:02] <RichEd> pawan ... you'll need to check that ... what CD version do you have
[10:02] <pawan> i have edubuntu 7.04 for pc and server
[10:03] <pawan> i have currently installed ubuntu windows xp and windows 2008 server on my pc
[10:03] <pawan> now i am going to install edubuntu
[10:06] <pawan> hello
[10:07] <pawan> what type of partition to use for edubuntu
[10:11] <zsh> pawan, what to you mean with "type"?
[10:11] <pawan> ext3 ext2
[10:11] <zsh> pawan, take ext3
[10:11] <pawan> how much space to allocate
[10:13] <zsh> pawan, for a default install?
[10:14] <pawan> yes
[10:15] <zsh> how much do you have?
[10:16] <pawan> 3.3 GB
[10:18] <zsh> want you use ltsp?
[10:18] <pawan> whats that
[10:18] <pawan> !itsp
[10:18] <zsh> the thinclient setup
[10:19] <pawan> ok
[10:19] <zsh> I guess not
[10:19] <zsh> 3.3 gb should be enough
[10:19] <zsh> for the default install
[10:19] <pawan> how much space to allocate for the root and swap
[10:20] <zsh> you can use your swap partition from ubuntu
[10:20] <pawan> is it
[10:21] <zsh> btw, if you have ubuntu, why to you want install edubuntu?
[10:21] <pawan> just to have a look at some new features
[10:21] <zsh> is your ubuntu also feisty?
[10:22] <pawan> yes feisty 7.04
[10:22] <zsh> you get the edubuntu feisty stuff with "sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop"
[10:23] <pawan> no need to install edubuntu
[10:24] <zsh> no
[10:25] <zsh> ohh
[10:25] <zsh> what have I done?
[11:12] <zsh> which app/script creates: .asoundrc.asoundconf?
[01:09] <zsh> how can I file a bug against flashplugin-nonfree?
[01:14] <ogra> zsh, whats your issue ?
[01:14] <ogra> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+filebug BTW)
[01:16] <zsh> I have on my feisty ltsp-server no soundcard and I watch a youtuby video
[01:16] <zsh> firefox crash at the end of the video
[01:17] <ogra> ouch
[01:17] <zsh> if I have:  pcm.!default { type null }
[01:17] <zsh> ctl.!default { type null }
[01:17] <ogra> unlikely we can do anything about that but file izt anyway
[01:17] <zsh> as asound.conf it don't crashed
[01:17] <ogra> its likely the plugin uitself thats crashing
[01:18] <zsh> I think so
[01:18] <zsh> but with this asoundrc I get "..to many files open on /dev/null" but firefox/flashplugin don't crashes
[01:19] <ogra> and if you need to set sound to the null device its likely the old bug that flash doesnt close its device sockets (which the libflashsupport package works around, but it doesnt fix the real issue)
[01:19] <zsh> hmm, it seems so
[01:19] <ogra> you have libflashsupport installed i assume ?
[01:19] <ogra> (the one from the FAQ page)
[01:20] <zsh> no
[01:20] <zsh> from which?
[01:20] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
[01:21] <ogra> or ... https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFAQ as you like
[01:22] <zsh> wow, every week I find new edubuntu docs
[01:22] <ogra> yeah ... they are pretty badly organized
[01:22] <ogra> but there is work going on constantly, so eventually we'll have them all in the edubuntu handbook
[01:28] <zsh> ogra, this would be great
[01:34] <zsh> ogra, I only have to install this deb?
[01:36] <ogra> yes, on the server
[01:36] <ogra> it will add a layer that circumvents the bug in flash ...
[01:36] <ogra> but note that package isnt supported and not packaged very well either
[01:38] <zsh> ok
[01:38] <zsh> thx
[01:42] <zsh> ogra, and do you know if it is possible to add the nxclient-screen script?
[01:44] <ogra> i want to talk with Gadi before so we dont produce duplicated work ... i havent met him yet
[01:45] <zsh> who is gadi?
[01:48] <ogra> one guy from #ltsp who cares for the screen scripts ...
[01:48] <zsh> ok
[01:49] <zsh> we use the script, I told you
[01:49] <zsh> only 1 small bug so far, the nxclient starts a second time
[01:49] <zsh> so on login, you have to cancel the 2. nxclient
[01:50] <zsh> I don't know why I can't fix this
[01:52] <RichEd> [01:54] <zsh> RichEd, is the meeting open for everyone?
[01:54] <ogra> yes
[01:54] <RichEd> always :)
[01:54] <zsh> ok, I will listen
[02:26] <zsh> bye, I have to go
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> ogra: hey ogra, are you around?
[02:27] <ogra> nosrednaekim, in the edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting atm
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> ogra: ok.... when is that finished?I have to talk to you.
[02:28] <ogra> just talk then but dont ecxpect immediate answers :)
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> ogra: ah ok :) I asked riddell about his offer to mentor someone porting the Thin Client Manager to Qt, and he said to talk to you. Not neccesarily for mentorship, but for how it is coming along I guess.
[02:31] <ogra> ah, well, the code is a mess, i'm just starting to try to get it sorted so it works again in gutsy ... but pete did at least do a proper frontend/backend split so adding a QT gui instead of thin-client-manager-gnome shouldnt be problematic
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> ogra: So there are a lot of problems with the backend, but making a QT4 frontend shouldn't affect that?
[02:35] <ogra> well, lots of probs is to much ... it used to work and needs adjustments for the new ldm ...
[02:35] <ogra> the code is in very bad shape thats the prob ...
[02:35] <ogra> i'm missing the spare week to go through it and clean it up from the ground up
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> So would now be the best time to write a frontend, or should I wait till you have that spare week?
[02:37] <ogra> but if you use the communication layers the studentcontrolpanel.py module provides you should be fine for frontend stuff
[02:37] <ogra> well, you should wait until you see the next upload (saying that i fixed userlist polling)
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> ok, thats great.
[02:37] <ogra> without that being fixed you woont get the basic list of users to work with in your gui+
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> alrighty... I suppose I'll need a full thin client set up. To you have a tutorial handy?
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> ogra: ^^
[02:48] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
[02:48] <ogra> or use the edubuntu server Cd on a system with two NICs, it will set up everything automativcally
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> ogra: :( I don't have a system with two NICs. In fact, I don't have any computer that I could try it on if it requires a dedicated server.
[02:49] <ogra> it doesnt
[02:49] <ogra> its just esier than manually setting it up
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> ogra: looks like I'm manually setting it up. Thanks.
[03:05] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:05] <RichEd> hi sbalneav :)
[03:06] <sbalneav> Hey there RichEd!
[03:08] <moquist> got a weird TC auth/session/login problem.
[03:08] <RichEd> hi moquist ...
[03:08] <moquist> I've got two servers (they belong to a client) and one allows TC logins, the other does not
[03:08] <moquist> RichEd: hey
[03:08] <moquist> RichEd: good news. we're going Edubuntu across the board. :) :) :) :-D
[03:08] <RichEd> ogra asked if you had any status answers on moodle for gutsy ?
[03:09] <RichEd> moquist: \o/
[03:09] <moquist> RichEd: mysql is going, need to add postgresql; I've heard from pitti on that and just need to sit down to figure it out/do it
[03:09] <moquist> I've got a package in REVU
[03:09] <moquist> (since the server came back up)
[03:09] <ogra> moquist, re-uploaded ?
[03:09] <moquist> I don't think anybody's REVUed it yet, though...
[03:09] <moquist> ogra: yes, re-uploaded (yesterday, once I realized REVU was back)
[03:10] <ogra> cool !
[03:10] <moquist> anyhow,  here are two LDM logs, where one works and one doesn't. if somebody could take a glance at it I'd appreciate any advice:
[03:10] <moquist> http://rafb.net/p/DwFFJD33.html
[03:10] <moquist> http://rafb.net/p/55RGWo71.html
[03:10] <moquist> I cranked the ldm ssh logging up with -vvv
[03:11] <moquist> the user(s) I'm testing work fine on the server
[03:12] <sbalneav> What happens on login?
[03:12] <moquist> /var/log/auth.log looks normal on both servers (i.e., pam_winbind fails ('cuz I'm not testing a Winders(TM) user) and then ssh auth succeeds)
[03:12] <moquist> sbalneav: can you be more specific?
[03:12] <ogra> teh only intresting log is ~/.xsession-errors
[03:13] <moquist> on the TC I see the spinning wheel and then X restarts
[03:13] <moquist> ogra: Oh... I'll grab that, then. :p
[03:13] <moquist> (in general)
[03:13] <sbalneav> Like, does the greeter come up at all, or do they log in and it restarts, etc.
[03:13] <ogra> well thats about the ssh probs ... usually you will have session probs oif one login works and the oither doesnt
[03:14] <moquist> sbalneav: ah. yep, the greeter looks fine, I enter un/pw, [the server auth.log shows that authentication succeeded, ldm.log on the client shows that we've sent the ssh command, ldm.log shows that the server has closed the connection] , then X restarts and I get a fresh greeter
[03:14] <moquist> ogra: right. makes sense.
[03:14] <sbalneav> yeah, it's something on the server side.
[03:15] <moquist> so the .xsession-errors file I want lives server side?
[03:15] <ogra> right
[03:15] <ogra> in the users home
[03:17] <moquist> No profile for user 'moquist' found
[03:17] <moquist> not sure that's the problem
[03:17] <moquist> I'll have to log back out of this TC to check
[03:17] <monteslu> moquist, that's what happened to me until I put the ssh keys from the second edubuntu server onto the server that the client was booting from... but it's probably something totally different :)
[03:18] <moquist> yeah, in my scenario I've stopped dhcp on the other server so I know the TC has the right host keys
[03:18] <monteslu> i did the same
[03:18] <monteslu> only one dhcp server, but two ldm servers
[03:18] <moquist> well, I meant during testing.
[03:18] <monteslu> oh, right
[03:18] <moquist> long term I'll have two dhcp servers
[03:19] <moquist> so we'll have to copy the ssh keys over
[03:19] <ogra> moquist, uninstall sabayon
[03:20] <ogra> or add the user to a profile, then it will work
[03:20] <ogra> thats bug 38410 btw
[03:26] <moquist> ogra: awesome. thanks.
[03:29] <highvoltage> heh, it's nice having Burgundavia here, he's doing all my work :)
[03:33] <ogra> highvoltage, so you are invaded bycanadian burgers ?
[03:33] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, although only one of them is here at the moment (the loud one)
[03:34] <highvoltage> (here being the govtech expo)
[03:34] <highvoltage> madpilot is trying to get a local pilot license so that he can fly here. canadians have way too much money :)
[03:40] <ogra> heh
[04:26] <Riddell> ogra: merging your seeds, do you want tangerine-icon-theme?
[04:27] <sonjag> I have edubuntu fiesty installed at a school, and would like to be able to play shockwave games on ltsp clients. Is this possible? I read on the restricted formats page that it's not supported. Any workaround?
[04:27] <ogra> Riddell, hmm, we dont use it, is that the new ubuntu default ?
[04:27] <ogra> sonjag, ask adobe to provide shockwave for linix :)
[04:28] <ogra> *linux
[04:28] <ogra> there is no linux version at all ...
[04:28] <sonjag> So they have flash but not shockwave? Bummer!
[04:29] <Riddell> ogra: dunno, you'd have to ask dholbach, I'll leave it out
[04:30] <ogra> Riddell, ok ... i assume it wouldnt do any harm beyond eating CD space ... we use gartoon anyway so its not important to have for edubuntu
[06:13] <LaserJock> ogra: ping
[06:14] <ogra> LaserJock, about to leave, whats up ?
[06:15] <LaserJock> ogra: I just wondered if you had an Edubuntu image for CMPC available
[06:15] <LaserJock> or could make one available somewhere for me
[06:15] <LaserJock> I got LTSP working and dd'd the existing WIndows
[08:15] <boyam> If I convert edubuntu to ubuntu CE are there any ltsp gotchas I need to be aware of....such as tftp being blocked once dansguardian is installed and running...is it pretty straight forward?
[08:18] <LaserJock> boyam: dansguardian is pretty tough to figure out sometimes from what I've seen on the forums
[08:18] <LaserJock> sometimes you get no network at all
[08:18] <LaserJock> but I suppose you could try it and see :-)
[08:19] <LaserJock> boyam: are you wanting dansguardian specifically?
[08:19] <boyam> LaserJock: ouch...no network defeats ltsp's purpose...
[08:20] <LaserJock> well, I'm not saying that's the way it always happens
[08:20] <LaserJock> but I've seen several cases where people lose their network after installing dansguardian
[08:20] <LaserJock> but I don't think there's an inherent reason why it shouldn't work
[08:21] <LaserJock> I'd think especially if you've got 2 nics and are separating LTSP network from outside internet
[08:24] <boyam> LaserJock, not exactly ...i saw ubuntu CE was out there so I didn't want to reinvent the wheel if it's already been done
[08:28] <LaserJock> boyam: well, I can't give a resounding endorsement of CE, but I think you can turn dansguardian off after installing it
[08:29] <boyam> LaserJock, I'll look into it and give it a go.....
[08:30] <boyam> thanks
[09:30] <LaserJock> wow. the Edubuntu meeting this morning was nice and short
[09:45] <jollis> I am having problems with the gnome settings daemon on login to the server
[09:45] <jollis> I have searched google an no good replies
[09:45] <jollis> Any thoughts?
[09:46] <sbalneav> jollis: What trouble are you having?
[09:46] <jollis> won't login, frozen
[09:47] <jollis> it also takes a long time to get to the error screen
[09:47] <sbalneav> This happening for all users, or just for one?
[09:48] <sbalneav> When the user is logged out, make sure there are no processes running as that user,
[09:48] <sbalneav> and rm -rf /tmp/gconfd-user
[09:48] <sbalneav> ie, my username is sbalneav, so rm -rf /tmp/gconfd-sbalneav
[09:48] <jollis> I will try another user, and your suggestions and get back with you
[09:53] <LaserJock> sbalneav: so, I got ltsp working great, was able to dd the existing Windows partition over to my laptop as a backup
[09:53] <sbalneav> Cool!
[09:54] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I logged in via ldm to see what all the LTSP hubbub is all about
[09:54] <LaserJock> it's quite amazing
[09:54] <LaserJock> only thing is that hit pegs my laptops CPU
[09:54] <LaserJock> and one time it overheated it and it shutdown
[09:54] <sbalneav> That's due to the ssh encryption of everything over the wire.
[09:54] <LaserJock> for just 1 client should it be *that* CPU intesive?
[09:55] <sbalneav> Shouldn't.  I'd check your laptop.  It'll be dust-clogged somehow.
[09:55] <sbalneav> I run 40 clients off of one server.  this one:
[09:55] <LaserJock> I've recently dusted it out
[09:56] <LaserJock> I does run hot, especially in this weather
[09:56] <LaserJock> but like literally, the CPU was pegged
[09:56] <LaserJock> from the moment I logged in to LDM
[09:56] <sbalneav> sputnik:  1.46
[09:56] <sbalneav> hm
[09:56] <sbalneav> odd.
[09:56] <LaserJock> I mean, it was worse than compiling from source or something like that
[09:57] <sbalneav> Got anything whacky animated on your desktop, or were you also logged in on the laptop as the same user?
[09:57] <LaserJock> I was logged in as the same user on the laptop
[09:57] <sbalneav> ahhh
[09:57] <sbalneav> yeah.
[09:57] <sbalneav> Gnome doesn't like more than one person logged in at a time.
[09:57] <sbalneav> A problem we need to get gnome to fix, exentually.
[09:59] <LaserJock> sbalneav: so that'll account for the CPU usage?
[10:00] <sbalneav> yeah, gconf gets all whacky, starts sucking air.
[10:00] <LaserJock> ok
[10:00] <LaserJock> I was going to create a separate user for it anyway, just thought I'd give it a go while I was there
[10:04] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I was actually surprised how fast bootup and login is
[10:04] <LaserJock> I was expecting a long wait from all horror stories you guys had at Sevilla ;-)
[10:04] <sbalneav> Well, there's kindof a line you cross at about 700 mhz
[10:05] <LaserJock> I can't imagine how fast the new ltsp is going to be
[10:05] <LaserJock> I see
[10:05] <sbalneav> if you're BELOW 700 mhz, things start getting exponentially slower everytime you drop 100 mhz
[10:05] <sbalneav> if you're above 700mhz, things don't get much faster, really.
[10:05] <LaserJock> what speed is the average TC on the market today?
[10:06] <sbalneav> The problem is: ltsp caters to a LOT of older slower hardware.
[10:06] <LaserJock> sure
[10:06] <sbalneav> Well, in the $300 range, it's about 650-700 megs, so they're ok
[10:08] <LaserJock> that's a pretty penny if you've got to do a whole lab
[10:08] <LaserJock> I suppose that's why you see a lot of PIIs and PIIIs used
[10:16] <sbalneav> Well, the box jammcq had was like a $100 box.
[10:16] <sbalneav> The problem with those is: they're like 250 mhz.
[10:16] <sbalneav> So they were painful.
[10:17] <LaserJock> heh, makes this CMPC look like a very cheap TC
[10:18] <sbalneav> But now, mine boots in under 90 seconds.  With ltsp 4.2, they booted in 42 seconds, but ltsp 4.2 was so finely tuned, and we'll never get quite that level of ability to tweak startup scripts in ltsp5.  But, in my view, 90 seconds isn't that long, and a perfectly acceptible wait.
[10:19] <sbalneav> Especially since, once it's booted, it's just as fast, performance wise, as ltsp4.2
[10:19] <LaserJock> sure
[11:07] <jollis> has anyone encountered a NFS over TCP not available issue?
[11:21] <LaserJock> ogra: I don't get how https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-meta/+bug/48402 is an Edubuntu bug?
[11:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 48402 in edubuntu-meta "Gnome WEP key hex entry '0' parsed to 'o'" [Medium,New]
[11:21] <LaserJock> oh ubotu is in here
[11:25] <jollis> this issue occurs and stops clients from booting (NFS over TCP error)


[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:07] <dpm> good morning all
[07:08] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:11] <pleia2> dholbach: thanks for all the replies to the CC nominations
[07:11] <dholbach> de rien :)
[07:11] <pleia2> and it looks like APAC membership board is back on track, they had another meeting \o/
[07:11] <dpm> hey dholbach ;)
[07:12] <pleia2> and since you guys are awake, it means I should get to bed, night all :)
[07:12] <dholbach> pleia2, awesome! :)
[07:12] <dholbach> good night Liz! :)
[07:13] <head_victim> pleia2: we even got quorum! Night.
[07:13] <dholbach> :)
[07:55] <kim0> Morning all
[08:09] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:31] <czajkowski> how are we all this fantastic and sunny day
[09:34] <dpm> hey czajkowski, very well, thanks, how are you? :-)
[12:03] <mhall119> morning
[12:07] <Pendulum> mhall119: good morning :)
[12:18] <ejat> morning
[13:07] <czajkowski> p/away
[13:34] <akgraner> Good Morning - yep that's right I am putting both those words together :-)  (I've had my coffee)
[13:36] <czajkowski> yay
[13:36] <czajkowski> GOOD DAY akgraner
[13:38] <akgraner> czajkowski, :-)  how's you?
[13:39] <czajkowski> GREAT thanks you?
[13:39] <akgraner> good....just staying busy
[13:39] <czajkowski> yeah
[13:39] <czajkowski> pretty much
[13:39] <czajkowski> this place has a long working day
[13:40] <czajkowski> and writing stuff for a mate for their site training manuals in the evenings
[13:40] <czajkowski> so weekends I kick back and do nothing but rugby watching
[13:40] <czajkowski> oh nad I've to have a disc removed in a few months
[13:41] <akgraner> just started a new peer 2 peer group for PTSD survivors called "Ruby Slippers" (b/c like Dorthy in the wizard of OZ the healing all begins inside a person)
[13:41] <czajkowski> akgraner: hows life with you
[13:41] <czajkowski> cool
[13:41] <czajkowski> akgraner: for army folks ?
[13:41] <akgraner> finally back on track :-)  eek on the surgery hope that goes well
[13:42] <akgraner> czajkowski, anyone really but we are doing a proof of concept on the program with the VA hospital that I go to in Asheville
[13:42] <czajkowski> akgraner: cool
[13:42] <akgraner> then if that works out then there could be government funding for it
[13:43] <czajkowski> akgraner: meh I've had 4 epidurals and it didnt work, have more physio, but at the ened oif the day, disc removal seems to be best option, means I'm even gonna be more of a short arse
[13:43] <akgraner> put hopefully in less pain...
[13:43] <akgraner> but even
[13:44] <czajkowski> well I'm in pain but not pain any more that I can't walk or do stuff, I'm just lob sided, which is annoying
[13:44] <akgraner> jcastro you around?
[13:44] <czajkowski> as I always look crooked
[13:44] <czajkowski> freaks my folks out
[13:44] <akgraner> eek- I hope the surgery will fix that for ya
[13:44] <czajkowski> aye
[13:44] <czajkowski> hopefully it's bulging and won't go back in and is pretty worn away
[13:45] <czajkowski> so removal
[13:45] <akgraner> gotcha
[13:45] <czajkowski> will get it done once this contract is over
[13:45] <czajkowski> no biggie
[13:45] <czajkowski> few weeks bed rest
[13:45] <akgraner> good luck with that- what's the recovery time
[13:45] <czajkowski> 3 day in hospoital in theory 4 week off work
[13:46] <czajkowski> but I'd say 2
[13:46] <czajkowski> I recover fast
[13:46] <czajkowski> and there is no way I'm sitting for 4 weeks doing diddly squat I'd going crazy
[13:47] <akgraner> I was going to say that might be hard for you to sit for 4 weeks - but good luck across the board on that
[13:47] <czajkowski> well keep still and bed rest and walking slowly
[13:47] <akgraner> I'm glad you're getting everything fixed - I am sure you'll feel better and be happier and less pain - all sound like a good thing for ya
[13:48] <czajkowski> aye
[13:49]  * jussi wanders in
[13:49] <akgraner> czajkowski, you have mail
[13:49] <akgraner> jussi, hi!
[13:50] <jussi> akgraner: hi. you are way perky today... :D
[13:51] <akgraner> well I toned down perky me b/c pgraner said I was too over the top and intense for most people...so I tried that for a while
[13:52] <akgraner> can't do it - just gotta be me :-)
[13:52] <jussi> hehe
[13:52] <jussi> akgraner: just be you, we all expect it anyway, and its nicer than some grouchy person :)
[13:53] <akgraner> :-) yeah there are enough grumpy people to go around in the FOSS universe ...that's true
[13:56] <akgraner> well that and jcastro said I sounded like I was selling time shares :-P  had to re-think my approach....Decided I like the time share me :-P  sorry jcastro
[13:57] <dholbach> jcastro, kim0: one day dpm is not going to talk to us mere mortals any more, he's all over the place: http://www.golem.de/1109/86715.html
[13:59] <czajkowski> akgraner: dearly
[13:59] <akgraner> :-)
[14:01] <dpm> dholbach, nah, on the contrary, privileged to play in the same team as you guys ;)
[14:02] <jcastro> good morning
[14:02] <jcastro> hi dpm!
[14:02] <jcastro> I have questions for you at our call today!
[14:03] <dpm> jcastro, hey, sure :)
[14:13] <czajkowski> whats the art of community channel
[14:13] <popey> he has a channel for that?
[14:14] <czajkowski> naturallyu
[14:14] <popey> join #artofc
[14:14] <czajkowski> trying to get the swiss gu to find out either from jono or from heather
[14:14] <popey> at a guess
[14:14] <popey> nope
[14:14] <czajkowski> but loco contacts list isn't gonna have the asnwer as to why he didnt get it
[14:14] <czajkowski> I wonder is it because he order two as he's the contact for two teams
[14:14] <czajkowski> hmm
[14:15] <czajkowski> as the mail states it's heathers call
[14:42] <jcastro> http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/28/canonical-launches-ubuntu-app-developer-platform-for-curious-cod/
[14:42] <jcastro> there we go baby, that's a big one
[14:43] <AlanBell> and inquisitive haddock
[14:48] <jussi> oh wow, are we now going back to C for names...?
[14:48] <jussi> :P
[14:48] <jussi> Ubuntu 12.04 Curious Cod :D
[14:55] <nigelb> 20
[14:57]  * AlanBell wonders if the -p announcement will be more surprising than normal
[14:58] <jcastro> hey
[14:58] <jcastro> who knows anything about the QR code for this UDS?
[14:58] <jcastro> is it the same as last time?
[14:59] <dholbach> hey jono
[14:59] <jono> hey dholbach
[14:59] <jcastro> mhall119: nigelb: the qr code in summit, is that what we're using?
[15:00] <czajkowski> jono: just the man I need badly
[15:00] <czajkowski> I wont say that too often I swear
[15:00] <czajkowski> jono: got a moment for 2 second pm
[15:00] <czajkowski> please
[15:00] <czajkowski> so I need you badly only for 2 seconds
[15:01] <jono> czajkowski, I have a call now, but feel free to pm
[15:01] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, kim0, dpm all set?
[15:02] <jono> creating the hangout
[15:02] <dholbach> yep
[15:02]  * AlanBell thinks QR codes were underexploited in summit
[15:02] <dpm> ready to roll
[15:02] <kim0> yep
[15:05] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, kim0, dpm invite sent
[15:06] <jcastro> we're putting them on the badges
[15:06] <jcastro> I need to know though, if we made the QR code pointing to the schedule
[15:06] <jcastro> or if that was something we got from this guidebook thing
[15:06] <jono> kim0, all set?
[15:07] <kim0> in
[15:09] <jcastro> mhall119: can I mess with those slots again?
[15:11] <jcastro> my thing froze up
[15:12] <Pici> poor thing.
[15:15] <popey> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
[15:17]  * czajkowski hugs popey
[15:17]  * czajkowski hands him a creme egg :) smile
[15:20] <akgraner> hahahahahaha
[15:29] <akgraner> ok so silly questions - do you all call cloud.ubuntu.com, developer.ubuntu.com etc portals b/c of the software you all use to built them on?
[15:30] <czajkowski> or the features they are hosting ?
[15:31] <akgraner> the non-developer in me thought at first it might be b/c it's a "portal" into that part of the community and development - but Pete laughed me out of the room...and told me to ask - then go RTFM  - grrrrr....
[15:32] <popey> akgraner: its what you said it is
[15:32] <popey> apple call it the "Developer Center"
[15:33] <popey> well, "iOS Dev Center" "OSX Dev Center" etc
[15:33] <akgraner> ahhh ok
[15:33] <popey> i would call it a portal
[15:33] <popey> tis a common term in the places I work
[15:33] <akgraner> I was just wanting to understand....
[15:34] <popey> yeah, not sure what "normals" call it
[15:34] <akgraner> I just wanted to make sure I can explain it to duel audiences
[15:34] <czajkowski> akgraner: makes sense
[16:02] <nigelb> jcastro: I'll defer to mhall119. I don't even know what that does.
[16:32] <jcastro> it looks like the code is the same
[16:32] <jcastro> it just points to guidebook in the market/store.
[16:47] <mhall119> jcastro: the QR code had been pointing to the Guidebook app
[16:48] <mhall119> since nothing else we have is mobile-accessible
[16:48] <dholbach> I call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[16:48] <jcastro> ok that's what we're printing on the badge then I guess
[16:48] <jcastro> Good to go!
[16:49] <AlanBell> mhall119: actually the session pages with the pads work great on android, read only but live updates
[16:49] <mhall119> jcastro: the QR code we have up there now is no good
[16:49] <mhall119> jcastro: it pointed to a redirect that guidebook made when they changed names, but it's not working anymore
[16:50] <mhall119> jcastro: you need to get a new QR code from them
[16:50] <jcastro> not to me
[16:50] <jcastro> it directed to guidebook
[16:50] <jcastro> android
[16:50] <AlanBell> is there a lanyrd for UDS?
[16:50] <jcastro> yeah
[16:51] <mhall119> jcastro: ok, theymust have fixed it then, cjohnston and I tried it about a month ago and it didn't
[16:51] <jcastro> I just tried it now
[16:51] <mhall119> me too, works for me now
[16:51] <jcastro> but I would feel better if someone else would try it
[16:51] <jcastro> awesome
[16:51] <jcastro> anyone have an iphone?
[16:52] <AlanBell> http://lanyrd.com/2011/uds-p/
[16:52] <jcastro> oh you mean that thing
[16:53] <jcastro> I thought you mean a physical lanyard
[16:53] <jcastro> yeah, I wish we would just use that
[16:53] <AlanBell> no, I know how to spell :)
[16:55] <AlanBell> I was just pondering QR codes and integration possibilities, don't think it is quite the right sort of thing for lanyrd integration
[17:00] <jcastro> I wish we did this + one of those awesome registration thingies
[17:01] <akgraner> jcastro, but we have LP :-P
[17:01] <akgraner> insert sarcasm there....
[17:28] <jcastro> anyone half way decent with the gimp?
[17:42] <AlanBell> jcastro: to do what?
[17:43] <jcastro> I need to make 2 logos have a transparent background
[17:43] <AlanBell> sure
[17:43] <jcastro> so that they are not huge white boxes
[17:43] <AlanBell> yup, easy
[17:43] <jcastro> I have a call in 15 minutes, can I ping you after that?
[17:44] <AlanBell> yes
[17:44] <jcastro> jawesome
[18:41] <nigelb> AlanBell: ping
[18:41] <AlanBell> o/
[18:42] <nigelb> AlanBell: Do you know of any open source, embeddable, polling system?
[18:42] <AlanBell> to do a big survey form thing?
[18:42] <nigelb> Its a yes/no poll.
[18:42] <nigelb> Just one question
[18:42] <AlanBell> so not limesurvey
[18:42] <nigelb> something, simpler.
[18:43] <AlanBell> there are oodles of wordpress plugins to do that
[18:43] <nigelb> I don't use wordpress :)
[18:44] <AlanBell> not sure really
[18:44] <nigelb> Hrm, I could just use google docs.
[18:46] <jcastro> ^^^ that
[18:46] <jcastro> we need a limesurvey juju formula
[18:47] <nigelb> jcastro++
[18:48] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~0cs935kb517wwm-1gdq-wz6bkyhu4uqpfa
[18:48] <popey> wut
[18:48] <popey> spammy generated account or keyboard-mash extreme sports entrant?
[18:50] <nigelb> I applaud the effort to remember the username.
[18:53] <popey> lastpass ftw
[18:57] <Pici> At least they have a normal realname.
[19:00]  * Pici uses keepass2
[23:59] <jcastro> mhall119: around?