[16:50] <shahriar86> hi Tuhin_
[16:50] <shahriar86> person or bot?
[16:51] <Tuhin_> hi shahriar86
[16:51] <Tuhin_> I am a bot
[16:51] <shahriar86> hi Tuhin_
[16:51] <Tuhin_> not
[16:51] <shahriar86> :)
[16:51] <shahriar86> it would have been fun to talk to a smart bot
[16:51] <Tuhin_> u attended the meeting on thursday?
[16:51] <Tuhin_> some IRC have smart bots.
[16:52] <shahriar86> I was late
[16:52] <Tuhin_> i remembered in morning and forgot by evening...got busy with other stuff...
[16:53] <shahriar86> :)
[16:53] <shahriar86> its better to keep reminder in mobile
[16:53] <Tuhin_> so which linux u r on?
[16:53] <shahriar86> I usually do this now...
[16:53] <shahriar86> kubuntu 10.04
[16:53] <Tuhin_> my mobile battery is also dieing...it turns off if it vibrates..
[16:53] <Tuhin_> have to look for battery
[16:54] <shahriar86> :)
[16:54] <Tuhin_> when is EOL for Kub 10.04?
[16:55] <shahriar86> 15
[16:55] <shahriar86> 2015
[16:55] <Tuhin_> i have decided to change distro from Ubuntu based Mint to Debian based something
[16:55] <shahriar86> debian is late
[16:55] <shahriar86> that's a problem
[16:56] <shahriar86> **debian release is long waited
[16:56] <Tuhin_> i downloaded so many apps over my slow 128kbits and now i cant get latest version of some apps
[16:56] <shahriar86> ohh
[16:56] <Tuhin_> i already found my fix i think
[16:56] <shahriar86> which distro you want to try next?
[16:56] <Tuhin_> if i install Ubuntu 12.04LTS, then i have to redownload all the apps again...dont want to DL all again
[16:57] <Tuhin_> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=solusos
[16:57] <Tuhin_> i installed it in USB and its very fast and smooth
[16:57] <Tuhin_> based on Debian Stable
[16:58] <shahriar86> Tuhin_: its actually an old issue
[16:58] <shahriar86> if you upgrade you have to redownload/upgrade other apps
[16:58] <shahriar86> any distro you try
[16:58] <Tuhin_> yes i know... but when i tried to compile the app coz its not in repo,,, i failed to compile...
[16:59] <shahriar86> humm
[16:59] <Tuhin_> so Debian is next
[16:59] <shahriar86> :)
[16:59] <Tuhin_> Ubuntu based distros r good for starting/learnign  basics
[16:59] <shahriar86> I suppose google might have answer for you
[16:59] <shahriar86> humm
[16:59] <Tuhin_> the compile command said i dont have zlib installed...
[16:59] <Tuhin_> while i had latest version installed
[17:00] <shahriar86> I don't like debian because its slow in upgrade/update (though I'm using LTS now a days)
[17:00] <Tuhin_> u should give SolusOS a try...
[17:00] <Tuhin_> it's based on stable + Latest apps
[17:00] <shahriar86> Tuhin_: to tell the truth I have outgrown distro hopping stage
[17:01] <Tuhin_> i hae distro hopping too..
[17:01] <shahriar86> I'm very basic user, with very basic need
[17:01] <Tuhin_> thats why i wnat to settle with a distro which i wouldn't have to format
[17:01] <shahriar86> any abc distro with a browser and a office productivity suit is suffice for me
[17:01] <Tuhin_> i am also basic user with some Gaming need
[17:02] <shahriar86> he he
[17:02] <shahriar86> I thought gaming was easy in ubuntu
[17:02] <Tuhin_> i need to install and play the game i like...
[17:02] <Tuhin_> yes it is
[17:02] <Tuhin_> till the game is no longer in offer in the repository...coz there is a new Ubuntu version...only for that is the new version available
[17:03] <Tuhin_> new versions of apps only available to "latest" ubuntu
[17:03] <Tuhin_> so 10.10 didnt get the app while 10.04 , 11.10 had it
[17:04] <shahriar86> don't they have ppa to solve such issue?
[17:04] <Tuhin_> while 10.10 still didn't EOLed
[17:04] <Tuhin_> i didnt find the app anywhere
[17:04] <shahriar86> 10.10 is eol
[17:04] <Tuhin_> i tried to get the app since Decamber
[17:04] <shahriar86> oops
[17:04] <shahriar86> :P
[17:05] <shahriar86> I supposed the dev stopped supporting a soon to be eol version?
[17:05] <Tuhin_> so i tried to compile...and failed
[17:05] <shahriar86> anyway
[17:05] <shahriar86> good luck with soluos?
[17:05] <shahriar86> *solusos
[17:05] <Tuhin_> its very goo
[17:05] <Tuhin_> d
[17:06] <Tuhin_> u can try it from Live USB
[17:06] <Tuhin_> then install in a small 5GB
[17:07] <shahriar86> hummm
[17:07] <shahriar86> then you should start using it soon enough
[17:08] <shahriar86> I for one is gonna stick to kubuntu
[17:08] <shahriar86> had been here since 08
[17:08] <shahriar86> my first once was 07
[17:08] <shahriar86> *ubuntu
[17:09] <Tuhin_> what other distro u tried?
[17:10] <shahriar86> none
[17:10] <shahriar86> told you
[17:10] <shahriar86> :P
[17:10] <shahriar86> I never installed other distro, always ran live version
[17:10] <shahriar86> fedora and mint
[17:11] <shahriar86> debian once
[17:11] <Tuhin_> me too
[17:11] <Tuhin_> never tried fedora though
[17:11] <shahriar86> in the beginning all of them are similar
[17:11] <shahriar86> at advance level they are a bit different
[17:11] <shahriar86> and I'm very basic person
 Tuhin_: to tell the truth I have outgrown distro hopping stage
[17:12] <shahriar86> yah
[17:12] <shahriar86> it was a short lived one :P
[17:12] <Tuhin_> i thought u tried aLOT of distors...
[17:12] <shahriar86> nope
[17:12] <Tuhin_> what CPU/GFX/RAM u r using with Kubuntu
[17:12] <shahriar86> none of my fellow member could convince me to try other
[17:13] <Tuhin_> i heard KDE needs too much resources and never dared download any KDE distro
[17:13] <shahriar86> p4 fx5200 & 524
[17:13] <Tuhin_> 524 ?
[17:13] <shahriar86> not ideal for gaming right?
[17:13] <shahriar86> :P
[17:13] <Tuhin_> not bad
[17:13] <shahriar86> 512.
[17:13] <shahriar86> sorry
[17:14] <Tuhin_> KDE runs fien in that?
[17:14] <Tuhin_> fine*
[17:14] <shahriar86> yah
[17:14] <shahriar86> for tasting purpose I ran it on 256
[17:14] <Tuhin_> hmm then u dont open lots of apps same time i guess
[17:14] <shahriar86> nah
[17:14] <Tuhin_> ran fine with 256MB ram?
[17:15] <shahriar86> it worked
[17:15] <Tuhin_> it will work... but from what i heard not comfortably
[17:15] <shahriar86> though it did not actually ran
[17:15] <shahriar86> nah
[17:15] <Tuhin_> ok
[17:15] <Tuhin_> which ISP u r using
[17:16] <shahriar86> fraudband
[17:16] <shahriar86> don't ask
[17:16] <shahriar86> its a old pain
[17:16] <shahriar86> never found a decent package
[17:16] <shahriar86> though I am meaning to shift to wireless... sadly there is no solution for linux
[17:16] <shahriar86> :(
[17:16] <Tuhin_> fraudband? local
[17:16] <Tuhin_> why not?
[17:16] <Tuhin_> i musing Wimax
[17:17] <shahriar86> fraudband= broadband who are funtion as a fruadster
[17:17] <Tuhin_> with ethernet
[17:17] <shahriar86> which service?
[17:17] <Tuhin_> local broadband r like that i always thought
[17:17] <shahriar86> xnet?
[17:17] <Tuhin_> i signed up as soon as they had coverage in my area...
[17:17] <Tuhin_> 128kbits @ 690tk per month
[17:18] <Tuhin_> Banglalion Wimax
[17:18] <shahriar86> you gotta share the trick
[17:18] <Tuhin_> 1st 1-2 months coverage was v v bad.. but i kept waiting
[17:18] <shahriar86> people don't know how to make them work in linux
[17:19] <Tuhin_> thr trick is.. i didnt get the USB Dongle ...
[17:19] <Tuhin_> o bought the full big wimax modem
[17:19] <Tuhin_> with ethernet out+wifi
[17:19] <Tuhin_> then i put a 1Gbit Switcha nd connected
[17:20] <Tuhin_> one of my friend did succeed to make Citycell USB dongle work with Mint10
[17:20] <shahriar86> humm
[17:21] <shahriar86> so now you are happy with bl service?
[17:21] <shahriar86> what's your location?
[17:22] <Tuhin_> Khilgao
[17:22] <Tuhin_> they removed the 128kbit package 1-2 month after i got it :)
[17:22] <shahriar86> ohh
[17:22] <Tuhin_> now their packages r too expensive...with limits
[17:22] <Tuhin_> i have 128kbits  unlimied
[17:23] <shahriar86> humm
[17:23] <shahriar86> so still using old offer :P
[17:23] <shahriar86> nice
[17:23] <Tuhin_> yes
[17:26] <shahriar86> are you student? or working
[17:26] <shahriar86> the irc seems dead... just because different people comes to it on different time fram
[17:26] <shahriar86> *time frame
[17:26] <Tuhin_> yes
[17:26] <shahriar86> Barebone: hi
[17:26] <shahriar86> you bot?
[17:27] <Tuhin_> no
[17:27] <shahriar86> humm
[17:27] <Tuhin_> 2 bots ...
[17:27] <shahriar86> tanvir bhai is sleeping I suppose
[17:27] <Tuhin_> maybe afk
[17:28] <Tuhin_> u know him?
[17:28] <shahriar86> hummm
[17:28] <shahriar86> know him from irc only
[17:28] <shahriar86> not personally
[17:29] <Tuhin_> ah me too
[17:29] <Tuhin_> where do u live?
[17:29] <shahriar86> did you read the log of thursday night?
[17:30] <shahriar86> earth
[17:30] <Tuhin_> i read some, but didnt finish
[17:30] <shahriar86> bangladesh
[17:30] <shahriar86> dhaka
[17:30] <shahriar86> dohs baridhara
[17:30] <shahriar86> *missed south asia
[17:30] <shahriar86> :P
[17:30] <Tuhin_> it seems they were talking about starting a Martimonial website/service...
[17:31] <Tuhin_> so what was the outcome of the meeting?
[17:32] <shahriar86> ??
[17:32] <shahriar86> matrimonial website/service?
[17:32] <shahriar86> where?
[17:32] <shahriar86> still did not get that far
[17:32] <Tuhin_> i read in the irc log...
[17:32] <Tuhin_> i didnt finish reding... got bored
[17:32] <shahriar86> only outcome so far is that they want to restart the forum
[17:33] <Tuhin_> .....
[17:33] <Tuhin_> i expected more
[17:33] <shahriar86> and want to reorganize writting of tutorial
[17:33] <shahriar86> Tuhin_: fact is the group's backbone is shattered
[17:33] <shahriar86> it will take long time to reorganize
[17:33] <shahriar86> and restart on a new path
[17:33] <Tuhin_> Unmatal Tarunno didnt talk
[17:34] <Tuhin_> it seemed to me...
[17:34] <shahriar86> there are some reasons why old gunners won't talk
[17:34] <Tuhin_> what is the reason of shattered community?
[17:35] <shahriar86> if you love something so much and then get hurt for the same reason it does not serve you right in the future
[17:35] <shahriar86> not sure whether you are familiar with the present condition of Bangladeshi community
[17:35] <Tuhin_> the people among whom there was rift, they joined the meeting yesterday?
[17:35] <shahriar86> Bangladeshi public blogs are dread example
[17:36] <shahriar86> yah
[17:36] <shahriar86> joined and were silent observer
[17:36] <Tuhin_> hm
[17:36] <Tuhin_> what happened to blogs??
[17:36] <Tuhin_> i dont read them
[17:37] <Tuhin_> sometimes read in the past....
[17:37] <shahriar86> he he
[17:37] <shahriar86> if you have ample time you should read them just to pick on how corrupt our morals are
[17:37] <shahriar86> *or just for the sake of fun
[17:37] <shahriar86> nothing bro
[17:37] <shahriar86> its just this that people like to bitch
[17:37] <shahriar86> and they get fun to actually get personal and fight over small stuff
[17:38] <Tuhin_> i like to read about international REAL news
[17:38] <shahriar86> the lifo forum was a big part of the community after it broke things came to halt
[17:38] <shahriar86> that's it
[17:38] <shahriar86> humm
[17:38] <Tuhin_> u know the parties at BD works to the tune of USA/UK/EU etc....
[17:38] <shahriar86> not the truth
[17:39] <shahriar86> parties of bd works for their pocket
[17:39] <shahriar86> irrespective of which country the money comes from
[17:39] <shahriar86> :P
[17:39] <Tuhin_> there r slight difference....
[17:39] <shahriar86> usa/uk/eu has limited interest in bd
[17:39] <Tuhin_> ALeage working to get South-Asian Union done....with India at the helm
[17:40] <shahriar86> they have larger player among india and pakistan
[17:40] <shahriar86> now their next target is srilanka
[17:40] <shahriar86> since the war siezed its now working to restructure their nation
[17:40] <Tuhin_> their target is South-Asian Uniom + making a South-Asian Army.....
[17:41] <shahriar86> I'm not good with politics
[17:41] <shahriar86> it might be true
[17:41] <Tuhin_> its not politics..its their plan
[17:41] <Tuhin_> they want BD, PAkistan, Srilanka,Burma, NEpal,Bhutan, etc to form SouthAsian Union
[17:42] <Tuhin_> and South Asian ARMY
[17:42] <Tuhin_> to fight against China.....
[17:42] <Tuhin_> its much much bigger news than anything people thinking about
[17:43] <shahriar86> :)
[17:43] <shahriar86> well its an old news actually
[17:43] <Tuhin_> if they succeed intheir plan ... and makes All south asia to fight with china.. then there will be huge casualty
[17:43] <Tuhin_> this is not only it
[17:43] <Tuhin_> u heard abotu NWO?>
[17:44] <shahriar86> nwo?
[17:44] <shahriar86> no
[17:44] <shahriar86> I'm not much of keen reader
[17:44] <Tuhin_> New World Order
[17:44] <shahriar86> actually I've gone off the grid for too long
[17:44] <shahriar86> humm
[17:44] <Tuhin_> the colonial powers want to implement One World Government
[17:44] <Tuhin_> i m off the grid too.... i
[17:45] <Tuhin_> the various (international)news that we see/read n papers r mostly fake/lies/manufactured
[17:46] <Tuhin_> papers+TV news medai...all r liers
[17:46] <Tuhin_> media*
[17:46] <shahriar86> yah
[17:46] <shahriar86> some of them don't realize they are selling the lies
[17:46] <Tuhin_> https://www.google.co.uk/search?sugexp=chrome,mod=1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=medvedev+warns+of+nuclear+war
[17:47] <shahriar86> but the fact is unless we solve our house problem we can't worry about the begger on the street
[17:47] <Tuhin_> don't know what you think, but 9/11 was done by CIA+Mossad
[17:47] <shahriar86> I'm more concerned about country than international affairs
[17:47] <Tuhin_> there is something very important which misses the eye that way.....
[17:48] <Tuhin_> BD taka is dependent on US $ value
[17:48] <shahriar86> yes
[17:49] <shahriar86> but if you really think about it, the case should not be such a big deal
[17:49] <Tuhin_> US$ have been devaluing for Decades...so BD Gov also have been "Printing" more taka so that taka dont rise in value
[17:49] <Tuhin_> and this in turn is causing price of EVERYTHING to rise for.....DECADES
[17:49] <shahriar86> the problem lies we are more focused on importing then making them in our country
[17:50] <shahriar86> to be frank there are many bangladeshi products that are good in quality
[17:50] <Tuhin_> thats exactly what the colonial powers want.....
[17:50] <shahriar86> still we buy foreign goods
[17:50] <Tuhin_> they makes our gov do as they say..by World Bank, Imf etc
[17:50] <shahriar86> nah I don't agree with you
[17:50] <shahriar86> first point
[17:50] <shahriar86> I as a consumer get to decide which product I want to buy
[17:51] <Tuhin_> India dont show any bd tv channels there...why our gov lets indian movies to be shown in our cinema halls...
[17:51] <shahriar86> and if the producer wishes they can make business and with good quality
[17:52] <shahriar86> did you ever wonder that why we as a viewer prefer english and hindi movie and not Bangla teleflim?
[17:52] <Tuhin_> and if the manufactures have big money, they can fool people into believing that their inferior products r best
[17:52] <shahriar86> as a consumer if you prefer your own national product govt can't stop you
[17:52] <shahriar86> don't agree with you
[17:53] <shahriar86> if you consider there are many example which are good product
[17:53] <Tuhin_> ok , tell me which is better ..  Intel P4 3Ghz or  AMD AthlonXP 3000
[17:53] <shahriar86> such as ottobi, brothers, nazma, sun,
[17:53] <shahriar86> so on
[17:53] <shahriar86> amd athlon xp 3000
[17:53] <Tuhin_> yes
[17:54] <Tuhin_> but intel makes people buy their products...
[17:54] <Tuhin_> people need to be more informed.....
[17:54] <shahriar86> may be if you compare them with pringels lays or cosmo then you may think they are inferior
[17:54] <shahriar86> but do you think they are really inferior quality?
[17:55] <Tuhin_> no
[17:55] <shahriar86> as a buyer/consumer you hold the right to decide which product to buy
[17:55] <Tuhin_> the things present Gov doing is against all logics...
[17:55] <shahriar86> yes intel does force you to buy their product but still you can find option to buy amd product
[17:55] <shahriar86> don't you?
[17:56] <Tuhin_> increased tax such that Japanese reconditioned cars costs more than Indian new low quality cars
[17:56] <shahriar86> hell you decided to dump windows and switch to linux
[17:56] <shahriar86> why?
[17:56] <shahriar86> because you chose your own distro
[17:56] <shahriar86> you wanted to use what you like
[17:56] <Tuhin_> most people dont have the knowledge to understand that AMD is better
[17:56] <shahriar86> the buyer the consumer have the ultimate power
[17:56] <shahriar86> that's the thing
[17:57] <shahriar86> most people don't care much
[17:57] <Tuhin_> only when they know the truth
[17:57] <shahriar86> :)
[17:57] <Tuhin_> yes thats right
[17:57] <shahriar86> and whose fault is it?
[17:57] <Tuhin_> most ppl dont care
[17:57] <Tuhin_> the system.....
[17:57] <shahriar86> if I as a consumer don't want to open my eye and choose my own product its my failure
[17:58] <shahriar86> not the fault of the govt. not the fault of external agencies
[17:58] <shahriar86> its solely my fault
[17:58] <Tuhin_> yes
[17:59] <Tuhin_> people trying to change the Gov's mind ...but the Gov is not changing....
[17:59] <Tuhin_> making BD part of SAU
[17:59] <Tuhin_> india will be the main power in SAU....
[18:00] <Tuhin_> we will lose what we gained in 1971 AND 1947...
[18:37] <sagir42> সালাম
[18:37] <sagir42> আপনারা সবাইকে কেমন আছেন?
[18:38] <Tuhin_> walaikum salam sagir42


[02:09] <jcastro> bkerensa: heya, did you see the new phillips a19s?
[02:11] <jcastro> http://www.extremetech.com/electronics/142134-philips-revamps-mainstay-led-bulb-a19-led-is-prettier-and-more-efficient
[07:50] <bkerensa> jcastro: hmm I will have to reach out and get some they look nice
[07:50] <bkerensa> jcastro: I am still waiting for a 60W-equiv that uses only 8-10w in A19 Form
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <JoseeAntonioR> hey, dholbach! how's life?
[07:54] <dholbach> good good - how's yours? :)
[07:54] <JoseeAntonioR> great :)
[07:54] <dholbach> we still have to find somebody for the thursday slot
[07:54] <JoseeAntonioR> I was just wondering about that one
[07:54] <dholbach> yep, I'll go around and ping a few people in a bit
[07:57] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, so the calendar's ready, that's the only one that needs to be changed
[07:57] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: I listed you as a helper in all but on-air sessions, is that fine?
[07:58] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, sure, still it might be good to have a few people as fallback, so if I can't make it there's still somebody else
[07:59] <JoseeAntonioR> I can be there if needed, just let me know so I can wake up earlier
[08:02] <dholbach> great
[08:05] <JoseeAntonioR> is there anything else I may give you a hand with?
[08:08] <dholbach> no, I think we should be all set - we could try to get something up on the forums about it
[08:09] <JoseeAntonioR> maybe I can cross-post the ubuntuclassroom blog post, as forums don't allow much formatting
[08:09] <dholbach> ah ok
[08:21] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12473079
[08:22] <dholbach> wow
[08:22] <dholbach> that was quick!
[08:22] <JoseeAntonioR> could only use 8 images, so I deleted the last two (which were enormous btw)
[08:22]  * dholbach hugs JoseeAntonioR
[08:22]  * JoseeAntonioR hugs dholbach back
[08:22] <dholbach> really? I thought I had scaled them al down
[08:23] <JoseeAntonioR> you did in the html code, but the forums don't accept html, so they look gigantic
[08:24] <dholbach> ah
[08:24] <dholbach> ok :-)
[08:28] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: would you like me to get the post as a general community announcement so it appears in the top of all pages until monday?
[08:28] <JoseeAntonioR> (for the forums)
[08:29] <dholbach> wow
[08:29] <dholbach> that's possible?
[08:29] <dholbach> if so, yes :-D
[08:30] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, I'll try with the admins
[08:30] <dholbach> I thought you could just sticky in subforums
[08:30] <dholbach> sweeeeeeeeet
[08:30] <dholbach> propaganda machinery: rolling :)
[08:30] <JoseeAntonioR> if you get one of the admins to post it in a closed subforum, it appears in the top of all pages
[08:30] <dholbach> great
[08:33] <elfy> dholbach: ping
[08:33] <JoseeAntonioR> there we go, the guy who made it sticky
[08:34] <elfy> dholbach: I'll try and sort the announcement out later today - just of out into the wild, in future if you could drop us a line a bit in advance we don't need to try and rush things :)
[08:34] <elfy> I tend to see the cafe threads as they pop up and stick them as I see them
[08:39] <elfy> dholbach: can you PM me what you want the announcement to say - not too long please and I'll try to do it before I go out, or when I get back
[08:45] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm out to sleep for a bit, see you guys later!
[08:47] <dholbach> elfy, would something along the lines of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-January/001008.html be OK? or maybe just the first or first two paragraphs?
[08:50] <elfy> dholbach - I'll see what we can do - might be better as a notice rather than announcement, will look when I get back - just off out now
[08:53] <dholbach> thank youuuuu!
[09:02] <elfy> dholbach: done the announcement - will look later - I think it'll be better as a notice, but it's there for the moment
[09:05]  * dholbach hugs elfy
[09:06] <elfy> man hug I hope lol
[09:06] <elfy> and now I got to go :)
[09:06] <Tm_T> hug is hug is hug
[11:49] <daker> http://www.animalnewyork.com/2013/arabic-programming-language-at-eyebeam-%D9%82%D9%84%D8%A8-opens-the-world/#
[11:50] <elfy> dholbach: we had a chat about announcement vs notice - notices look horrid, we try to use them only for things like "Forum is going down for a long awaited upgrade" :p
[11:50] <elfy> as it is - the announcement is getting views
[11:50] <elfy> as is the sticky
[11:53] <nigelb> hey elfy
[11:53] <elfy> hi nigelb
[11:53] <nigelb> elfy: im in your part of the world (sort of)
[11:54] <elfy> nice - where abouts?
[11:54] <nigelb> Cambridge
[11:54] <elfy> oh right - nice part of the country :)
[12:02] <dholbach> elfy, all right
[13:14] <cjohnston> mornin all
[13:19] <nigelb> hi cjohnston
[13:19] <cjohnston> hey nigelb
[13:37] <daker> more games http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTI4MzE
[15:01] <jcastro> marcopollo_: ping
[15:23] <czajkowski> dholbach: get your video working :)
[15:42] <dholbach> czajkowski, eh?
[15:46] <czajkowski> dholbach: hangouts
[15:46] <dholbach> ah yes
[15:46] <dholbach> no idea - it's still broken :-(
[15:46] <czajkowski> :-(
[15:47] <s-fox> dholbach,  ping re: rescheduling FC & CC meeting :)
[15:47] <dholbach> s-fox, ah, yes
[15:47] <dholbach> what about it?
[15:48] <dholbach> it looked like a few could make it, no?
[15:48] <s-fox> we've all replied and heard nothing back, i wasn't sure what time you wish to aim for dholbach
[15:48] <dholbach> it sounded like some could make it to the time which was proposed originally, no?
[15:48] <dholbach> that sounded good enough to me
[15:49] <s-fox> 3 can make that time. i can do that also, but will be ~30 minutes late (i am not sure how long the meeting will be dholbach )
[15:49] <dholbach> that's fine - usually we fit the meeting into an hour
[15:49] <dholbach> and if 3 can make it we should get a good idea of how the cycle has been working for the FC :)
[15:50] <s-fox> do you  have an agenda?
[15:50] <dholbach> it's a catch-up
[15:50] <s-fox> okay.
[15:50] <dholbach> we just want to get an idea of how everything's working out, etc
[15:50] <jcastro> hey mhall119
[15:50] <dholbach> we invited other councils and boards to the CC meeting too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[15:51] <jcastro> can you put this in your idea brain when you chat with the lens ninjas: packaging lenses
[15:51] <jcastro> not for packaging ubuntu packages, but like, tracking UPS/FedEx, etc.
[15:51] <czajkowski> s-fox: it's the same as before
[15:51] <czajkowski> the FC has been on previous cycles for a check up and a catch up
[15:57] <jono> dholbach, mhall119, jcastro, balloons, dpm I am going to be a few mins late, can one of you start the hangout and invite me and I will join?
[15:57] <dholbach> can somebody else please start it? my video stopped working (can't see any videos at all) in hangouts
[15:57] <jcastro> yep
[15:57] <jcastro> one sec
[15:58] <s-fox> okay dholbach . we were concerned you had something specific you wished to discuss. see you there.
[15:58] <dpm> jono, ok!
[15:58] <dholbach> s-fox, no, it should be all nice and easy :)
[15:59] <czajkowski> s-fox: no just nobody turned up to the last one
[15:59] <czajkowski> so we reschudled it again
[16:11] <dholbach> czajkowski, in chrome it works now :)
[16:11] <czajkowski> ohh
[16:20] <jcastro> dpm: interesting question: http://askubuntu.com/questions/247531/can-i-respond-to-comments-in-software-center-as-app-developer
[16:57] <dholbach> is wiki.ubuntu.com incredibly slow for anyone else?
[16:58] <benvantende> dholbach: can't seem to be able to connect at all
[16:59] <dholbach> I get "Unable to forward this request at this time."
[17:00] <benvantende> ok connected after 60 sec next click same thing
[17:04] <jcastro> http://evansheline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sno-cats.jpg
[17:04] <jcastro> there is no escape from longcat
[17:05] <popey> awwwwww
[17:07] <jcastro> popey: jono had never heard of longcat before
[17:07] <jcastro> therefore, it is now on.
[17:08] <popey> i should take a pic of my cat like that, he's pretty lengthy
[17:14] <jcastro> yeah!
[17:14] <jcastro> do it!
[17:15] <popey> he's only a baby, should get longer
[17:15] <popey> I'll wait.. ☺
[17:18] <jcastro> your cat reminds me of my cat
[17:23] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: around?
[17:23] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, yes
[17:23] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: what do you see when you go to ubuntuonair.com?
[17:24] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, "It works!"
[17:24] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: ok, I'll check that with IS, thanks!
[17:25] <jcastro> jono: can we postpone our call for a bit? (15-20), I need to do this interview for the scale blog for my upcoming talk and it's been phone tag for like a week and I'd like to get it outta the way
[17:25] <jono> jcastro, sure
[17:38] <dholbach> all right my friends - with the old packaging guide moved to a "deprecated!!!" wiki location I think I can now safely call it a day :)
[17:38] <dholbach> big hugs to you all and have a great weekend
[18:14] <jcastro> jono: I am free whenevs
[18:17] <jono> jcastro, one sec, let me see if I can go now - Erica about to leave Jack with me
[18:17] <jcastro> okey
[18:19] <jono> jcastro, lets go, setting it up
[18:19] <jcastro> k
[18:20] <jono> jcastro, invite sent
[19:54] <jcastro> hey jono
[19:54] <jcastro> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7f1co53NfrU/UQLgBV5P6sI/AAAAAAAAArE/DMzr52Wu5gc/w497-h373/h6PXrBa%255B1%255D.gif
[19:56] <jono> jcastro, LOL
[19:56] <jono> we need a Deal With It tumble
[19:56] <jono> tumbler
[19:57] <jono> jcastro, listening to th1rt3en
[19:57] <jono> by Megadeth
[19:57] <jono> good album
[19:58] <jcastro> I am learning the Wanted one
[19:59] <jcastro> Public Enemy #1
[19:59] <jcastro> hey so this weekend I'll video myself doing hangar 18, it's hilarious
[20:02] <jono> jcastro, sweet
[20:58] <jono> balloons, about ready?
[20:59]  * balloons stuffing face with cheese sandwiches :-)
[20:59] <balloons> yep, I'm golden
[20:59] <jono> balloons, haha
[20:59] <jono> I just stuffed my face with Subway is record time
[20:59] <jono> I looked like a cartoon dinasaur eating a sarnie
[20:59] <balloons> lol
[20:59] <jono> diner-saur, if you will
[20:59]  * jono is here all week
[20:59] <balloons> ohh boy
[21:00] <balloons> taking mhall119's role today eh?
[21:00] <jono> lol
[21:00] <jono> ok, setting it up
[21:00] <jono> balloons, invite sent
[21:00] <balloons> k
[21:01] <mhall119> I hope mine aren't that bad


[01:07] <kaushal> Hi
[01:10] <kaushal> When is JAVA6 U26 going to be available in Ubuntu ?
[01:19] <kaushal> checking in again for the query
[06:33] <kaushal> Hi
[06:34] <kaushal> Checking in when JAVA6 U26 will be available in Ubuntu Repos ?
[15:18] <kaushal> Hi
[15:18] <kaushal> Any idea about the availability of JAVA6 U26 on Ubuntu Server ?


[12:32] <gnomefreak> nope i gave up ill fudge with it tomorrow
[03:36] <gnomefreak> dfarning_: before i go to bed. i need a crash report from you or mattl whoevers it was on bug  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/73168
[03:37] <gnomefreak> bug 73168
[11:39] <gnomefreak> asac: do you want a retrace assigned to you? I asked if you can do this retrace sinces hes on 64bit (if you still have 64 eniviornment
[11:39] <gnomefreak> i ran it and got shitty stack
[12:08] <asac> k
[12:31] <asac> which one?
[12:34] <asac> gnomefreak: just give it to me :)
[12:39] <AlexLatchford> Should we add the Mozilla Council idea to the Community Council Agenda?
[12:42] <asac> AlexLatchford: I have no idea about council procedures ... sorry
[12:49] <ajmitch> asac: would it be possible to build another binary package from firefox source for the ldap sdk, or should I split it into a new source package?
[12:56] <asac> ajmitch: ldap sdk?
[12:57] <ajmitch> directory/c-sdk
[12:57] <asac> ah
[12:58] <ajmitch> not surprising that FDS uses it, given its heritage
[12:59] <asac> hmm ... i don't know ... is there a thing like a stable api for it?
[12:59] <ajmitch> I don't think it's changed in awhile
[12:59] <ajmitch> ietf draft for the API, looks fairly stable
[12:59] <ajmitch> http://www.mozilla.org/directory/csdk.html for some info on it
[01:01] <ajmitch> it has its own configure & makefiles, but it depends on things further up the tree, so it's annoying to cut out as a new source package
[01:01] <asac> so how is it shipped atm
[01:01] <asac> not at all or just bundled with some other part of ffox?
[01:02] <ajmitch> just as source in the tarball
[01:02] <asac> ah ... but thunderbird makes use of it right?
[01:02] <ajmitch> it used to be part of a mozilla-dev package, a long time ago (from what I can tell)
[01:02] <ajmitch> hm, not that I'm aware of?
[01:03] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6856/
[01:04] <asac> is this something out of it?
[01:04] <ajmitch> yep
[01:04] <asac> good ... then your wish is already fullfilled :)
[01:04] <gnomefreak> you want a bug looked at file the damn bug :(
[01:04] <ajmitch> wonderful :)
[01:04] <asac> use mozilla-thunderbird-dev for now :)
[01:04] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: sorry?
[01:05] <asac> gnomefreak: you mean me, right?
[01:05] <gnomefreak> not you
[01:05] <ajmitch> asac: ugly, but thanks for that :)
[01:05] <gnomefreak> no
[01:05] <gnomefreak> someone in #ubuntu+1 :(
[01:05] <asac> ajmitch: HEHE :) ... np
[01:05] <asac> ah :)
[01:08] <ajmitch> hopefully I can actually get all the bits needed to build FDS in a sane state
[01:08] <asac> what is fds?
[01:08] <asac> (dapper1)asac@hector:~$ dpkg -L mozilla-thunderbird | grep ldap.*so
[01:08] <asac> /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/components/libmozldap.so
[01:08] <asac> /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/libldap50.so
[01:08] <asac> /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/libprldap50.so
[01:09] <asac> those are the libs
[01:09] <ajmitch> fds is fedora directory server, formerly netscape directory server
[01:10] <ajmitch> an alternative to openldap
[01:10] <asac> ah ok
[01:11] <asac> but moz libs are for client side only, right?
[01:12] <ajmitch> I believe so
[01:12] <ajmitch> darn
[01:14] <ajmitch> seems that there are different API versions, and this is an older one
[01:14] <asac> probably ... its from 1.8.0 branch
[01:15] <asac> or what do you mean by old?
[01:15] <asac> how old?
[01:15] <ajmitch> 5.x API version, it doesn't say more than that
[01:15] <ajmitch> fedora has a source package for mozldap, so I may need to use that
[01:16] <ajmitch> aha! found a source tarball :)
[01:17] <ajmitch> sorry for wasting your time on it
[01:21] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[01:21] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/New_York: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 21 Feb 11:00: Kernel Team | 22 Feb 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Feb 16:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team Mentor | 25 Feb 12:00: LoCo Team | 26 Feb 18:00: Community Council
[01:25] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: Should we add the Mozilla Council idea to the Community Council Agenda?
[01:26] <gnomefreak> what idea?
[01:27] <gnomefreak> we need wiki on the councils jobs written up (atleast that is what i remember from meeting)
[01:29] <AlexLatchford> aha yes
[01:30] <AlexLatchford> ill take a look back over the logs
[01:30] <gnomefreak> is the confimr tag mt-confirm?
[01:31] <AlexLatchford> why are we using needsinfo and confirmed tags?
[01:31] <gnomefreak> ah yes
[01:31] <AlexLatchford> surely setting the Status should be enough?
[01:31] <gnomefreak> needs info uses needinfo tag. mainly for bughelper
[01:32] <AlexLatchford> bughelper cant find statuses?
[01:32] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: its easier to search tags
[01:33] <AlexLatchford> hmm k, just seems a load easier to just set the status
[01:36] <asac> yes ... mt-confirm should be mt-confirm for all stages
[01:36] <gnomefreak> is there a way to repack using apport?
[01:36] <asac> e.g. needs info, confirmed, etc.
[01:37] <asac> so someone can come around and make a decision on it
[01:37] <asac> the mt-needsinfo tag schould not be necessary in my opinion
[01:37] <asac> usually it means: mt-needtestcase
[01:37] <asac> or mt-needtester
[01:38] <asac> AlexLatchford: needs info with mt-needinfo is moslty wrong
[01:38] <asac> see above
[01:40] <AlexLatchford> hmm k
[01:40] <asac> AlexLatchford: you read the wiki page about states?
[01:40] <asac> if there is anything not-clear, let me know
[01:41] <AlexLatchford> ill read it in a bit
[01:41] <asac> thx
[01:41] <AlexLatchford> off out now
[01:41] <asac> k
[01:41] <asac> cu
[01:41] <AlexLatchford> silly real life, always interfering
[01:42] <asac> gnomefreak: bug 71776 ... i think our current plan is to see how far we get with dbgsym packages ... and if that is not enough add -dbg package to unofficial archive for feisty
[01:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71776 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird has no debugging package." [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71776
[01:43] <gnomefreak> asac: can you look at bug 86687 i think i need to retrace the report after i find out how to repack it
[01:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86687 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86687
[01:44] <asac> yes retrace would be fine ... hard to unpack?
[01:44] <gnomefreak> i have to figure out apport-retrace bug# i think im talking to seb128 now
[01:45] <gnomefreak> asac: i have no answer on it so far. i figured i would comment on 71776 when i had full info
[01:48] <asac> let me know if you know something or need any help (e.g. ping seb, etc.)
[01:48] <gnomefreak> i think i got retrace command to repack it.
[01:52] <asac> Bug 62179
[01:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62179 in mozilla-thunderbird "Click to send e-mail doesn't cut "mailto:" string" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62179
[02:12] <asac> bug 71776
[02:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71776 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird has no debugging package." [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71776
[02:15] <asac> bug count firefox 628 :(
[02:17] <gnomefreak> im working on them :(
[02:18] <asac> hehe
[02:18] <asac> we definitly need automated stack traces
[02:18] <gnomefreak> ok uploaded 2 files to bug 86687 but im trying other options please see the output so i know when we have enough
[02:18] <asac> we need to merge duplicates to reduce the total count
[02:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86687 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86687
[02:19] <gnomefreak> i have about 50 retraces on list im working on so we can merge them
[02:19] <gnomefreak> im trying with -s option now maybe better output
[02:19] <asac> maybe we can write a script?
[02:20] <asac> e.g. a text file with a) url of stacktrace and b) of bugreport where to upload backtrace result?
[02:27] <gnomefreak> ok maybe i can try with -d also
[02:28] <asac> bug 86687 looks good
[02:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86687 in firefox "firefox crash [@nsTextFrame::Paint] " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86687
[02:28] <asac> from stacktrace pov at least
[02:28] <gnomefreak> k
[02:28] <gnomefreak> im trying one more thing with it
[02:28] <gnomefreak> i need to get best way possible to do it this way
[02:28] <asac> already added summary set tag to mt-confirm :) posted potential upstream bug
[02:29] <gnomefreak> k i might have one more trace trying to use -d option maybe i can grab symbols
[02:30] <gnomefreak> this is first time doing it this way
[02:30] <asac> ah .... has bug been traced with dbg-sym only?
[02:30] <gnomefreak> its good to know we can do retraces on unpacked reports
[02:31] <gnomefreak> asac: whatever is installed on system just the dbg symbols i believe
[02:31] <asac> k
[02:31] <gnomefreak> maybe -s -d will grab dbgsyms for it and get more symbols
[02:32] <gnomefreak> i have had a few the past 24 hours but still missing locals or so other symbols it seems
[02:32] <gnomefreak> its better than nothing but still not wher ei would like it
[02:33] <gnomefreak> if there was a way i can install all dbg packages in one sweep we might have something
[02:33] <asac> so how does it loop like with just dbgsym packages?
[02:33] <asac> e.g. for tbird
[02:33] <gnomefreak> only in feisty
[02:34] <gnomefreak> edgy there is no tb dbg or dbgsym so your only getting what it can grab libs or whatever
[02:34] <gnomefreak> feisty has dbgsym for tb
[02:35] <gnomefreak> the retraces i have done for tb were minimal at best (in edgy)
[02:36] <asac> ok ... not yet seen a feisty crash reported so far on tb?
[02:36] <gnomefreak> i havent looked hard but im sure there may be 1 or 2
[02:39] <gnomefreak> if you come across any they are probibly unpacked with symbols already but please assign the tb feisty retraces to me ill see hwat i can do
[02:40] <gnomefreak> oh this is looking good :)
[02:40] <asac> you have one?
[02:41] <gnomefreak> i think im getting the symbols for 86687
[02:43] <asac> bug 86687
[02:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86687 in firefox "firefox crash [@nsTextFrame::Paint] " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86687
[02:44] <asac> that one is already properly summarized!?
[02:44] <gnomefreak> yes
[02:44] <gnomefreak> asac: this is for future refference
[02:44] <gnomefreak> since i didnt get shit worth debug symbols on it
[02:49] <asac> k
[02:53] <gnomefreak> 100% better
[02:53] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:53] <gnomefreak> it has all symbols
[03:10] <asac> Bug 76608
[03:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76608 in firefox "Crash when opening a bookmark via del.ico.us" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76608
[03:26] <asac> gnomefreak: so you feel that mt-needreport is too fine grained? - e.g. because you use mt-needinfo all the time?
[03:26] <asac> or have I confused you :)
[03:27] <gnomefreak> no crash report==mt-needreport but that would also be needsinfo
[03:29] <asac> yeah ... just found that you use mt-needinfo if report is requested :) ... anyway, I changed lots of needinfo to needtestcase/needtester
[03:29] <asac> needs info as in state is fine ... but mt-needinfo in tag is somehow bad ... and we should find what we are missing. If we really need a generic tag, then fine, but for now I don't see a use-case :)
[03:30] <gnomefreak> should we use needtester/needtestcase <whats the difference> when asking for crash report?
[03:30] <asac> if you have a case where you want to add mt-needinfo, then lets discuss it. Maybe we need indeed something
[03:30] <asac> no ... for crash reports its mt-needreport mt-needretrace
[03:31] <gnomefreak> so just mt-needreport is fine when needed crashreport?
[03:31] <asac> sure? don't you think so?
[03:32] <gnomefreak> cant we combine needtester and needtestcase or is needtestcase <how to reproduce> need tester is to test  the bug?
[03:33] <gnomefreak> asac: i think its fine there are just so many that seem to be the same. i say lets get rid of needinfo if we dont really need it
[03:36] <asac> yep ...
[03:36] <asac> mt-needtestcase : need a step by step description how to reproduce
[03:36] <asac> mt-needtester: need someone who can reproduce with that instruction and is responsive e.g. member of mt
[03:37] <asac> what seem to be the same? the bug reports or the tags?
[03:38] <gnomefreak> tags but i think im understanding them more
[03:38] <gnomefreak> so mt-needreport we should also add mt-needsummery?
[03:39] <gnomefreak> only spelled right
[03:39] <asac> ok ... that really needs some clarifications
[03:39] <asac> for crashers I want a summary with significant element
[03:39] <asac> e.g.
[03:39] <asac> firefox crash [@nsFilePicker::Show]
[03:40] <asac> so almost all crashers are always needsummary until they are retraced
[03:40] <gnomefreak> k
[03:40] <asac> its just needed to find duplicates easily
[03:40] <asac> you find it sane? .... actually if you retrace you don't need to take care for summary
[03:41] <asac> we could also say ... that mt-needsummary is not set until mt-needretrace is removed ... to avoid confusion?
[03:41] <asac> at least for crashers
[03:41] <asac> but currently i add this up front when i visit bugs that have a bad crash summary ....
[03:41] <gnomefreak> i think that might be better but isnt that what mt-confirm does?
[03:42] <asac> hmm ... yeah ... as long as the one the does mt-confirm is the same person that can setup proper summary, you are right.
[03:42] <asac> ok ... will not add more mt-needsummary for crashers :)
[03:43] <asac> ... at least for now
[03:43] <gnomefreak> bug 85753 looks like flash issue :)
[03:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85753 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85753
[03:43] <asac> yes that is definitly a mt-needsummary :)
[03:43] <asac> as "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" is irrelevant :)
[03:43] <gnomefreak> so lets still use it as some need it
[03:44] <asac> yes ... i think we should reassign those crashes to flashplayer-nonfree
[03:44] <asac> as long as we get no feeback from adobe
[03:44] <asac> they can always take core dump and generated debug symbols etc.
[03:45] <asac> about summary: actually ... imo a bug without propery summary cannot pass mt-confirm
[03:45] <gnomefreak> well i retraced it but alot of ?? in it the ones that are there are flash
[03:45] <asac> as mt-confirm is activity "just confirm", i see no problem to specifically indicate that a bug needs a good summary/description to go to "Confirmed" state at some point
[03:45] <asac> yes probably
[03:46] <asac> but maybe due to missing dbgsym packages?
[03:46] <asac> WARNING: dbgsym for libxi6 2:1.0.1-0ubuntu1 not found by glob "/tmp/tmp_bDLsg/archives/libxi6-dbgsym_2%3a1.0.1-0ubuntu1_*.ddeb"
[03:46] <asac> WARNING: dbgsym for libgcc1 1:4.1.2-0ubuntu1 not found by glob "/tmp/tmp_bDLsg/archives/libgcc1-dbgsym_1%3a4.1.2-0ubuntu1_*.ddeb"
[03:47] <asac> WARNING: dbgsym for libcairo2 1.3.12-0ubuntu1 not found by glob "/tmp/tmp_bDLsg/archives/libcairo2-dbgsym_1.3.12-0ubuntu1_*.ddeb"
[03:47] <asac> or are those normal?
[03:47] <gnomefreak> yes
[03:47] <gnomefreak> he doesnt have those for feisty i guess but edgy they work
[03:47] <gnomefreak> if you read further it will say bleh dependencies (using bleh)
[03:48] <gnomefreak> hes repos need alot of work thats why i think hosting our own would be better (atleast we keep trace of it)
[03:49] <gnomefreak> it worked great on the first one i did today doing the backwards retrace
[03:49] <gnomefreak> i never did upload the log of it though :(
[03:51] <asac> i will ask
[03:58] <asac> Bug 41828
[03:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41828 in firefox "Firefox does not create a ~/.mozilla/plugins directory if it doesn't exist." [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41828
[06:58] <asac> Bug 86338
[06:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86338 in firefox "Crash on submitting forum reply (AnandTech)" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86338
[07:00] <asac> Bug 81528
[07:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81528 in firefox "iTunes (Apple) website crashes Firefox" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81528
[10:10] <gnomefreak> im still away but i think we need to find out how to tell between 32 and 64bit systems. there are a few retraces taht i got one line of stack and as i continued found one came out just like them and it was 64bit. do we ask this before <mt-needretrace> or how to figure this out. there were 2 or 3 that i did took total of over hour and came up empty.
[10:29] <gnomefreak> all the feisty crash reports will have to be updated and made sure they are 32 or 64 or the retraces will turn out bad due to the version sof packages needed are too old and not in cache anylonger.


[11:24] <soee_> with kernel 4.11.1 drivers work fine
[11:25] <mamarley> Really? Cool, thanks for letting me know.  I knew a patch was coming to 4.12 to set those symbols back the way they used to be, but I guess it got pulled in to 4.11.1 too.
[11:29] <soee_> http://i.imgur.com/MJck5Dx.png


[05:10] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:13] <EldonMcGuinness> o/
[05:41] <yurtesen> good morning :)
[05:44] <utkarsh2102> cpaelzer: o/
[05:44] <utkarsh2102> EldonMcGuinness: o/
[05:44] <utkarsh2102> yurtesen: o/
[05:49] <cpaelzer> hiho yurtesen - AFAIK you didn't reply yesterday - did you see my answer to your question
[05:50] <cpaelzer> actually let me check logs to not mix up nicks ...
[05:52] <cpaelzer> oh I see - in the meantime this evolved and you found utkarsh2102 to probably upload it to Debian to sync from there
[06:10] <yurtesen> cpaelzer: I did not see your message sorry. utkarsh2102 will try to help but if you have any input it is always welcome.
[06:24]  * utkarsh2102 is friends with the tomcat maintainer in Debian. And given that it's a sync, I'd like for it to remain so. :D
[06:24] <utkarsh2102> unless the bug is severe, of course.
[08:21] <mirespace> I forgot to say hello o/
[11:28] <theh> Is netplan still the default choice to set up networking on Ubuntu server these days?
[11:29] <ravage> yes
[11:29] <theh> thanks!
[11:52] <athos> good morning :)
[11:59] <mirespace> hi athos o/
[20:59] <shubjero> coreycb: you around? I think I found a bug in package dependencies (lack thereof in this case) for openstack heat 'victoria'. It might be present in later versions but I've only tested this far. Where should I open a bug ?
[20:59] <giu-> hi
[21:00] <shubjero> coreycb: It's a simple problem, heat-engine fails to start because it cant find two modules: vitrage, and zun. Issue is resolved by installing python3-vitrageclient and python3-zunclient but these two packages (and their own dependencies) are not pulled in by the heat packages
[21:06] <giu-> hi shubjero
[21:22] <shubjero> coreycb: found related bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/1893935
[21:23] <giu-> hi ubottu
[21:41] <giu-> how to restart network service with ubuntu server 18?
[21:51] <patdk-lap> depends
[21:52] <patdk-lap> are you using network-manager or netplan
[21:52] <patdk-lap> with netplan you cannot restart, just re-apply
[22:21] <giu-> is a 1.04 version and is network manager
[22:22] <sarnold> you can networkctl reconfigure DEVICES though
[22:23] <giu-> well now is assigned the ip address
[22:25] <giu-> for assign he gatway? he version is 18.04... this seting data is executed during the install, bu if want modify after install?
[22:31] <giu-> well now i set the host gatway(ubuntu 20.04) to server but for server?
[22:35] <giu-> well the networkctl is a network state and configure thanks
[22:35] <giu-> hi sarnold
[22:39] <giu-> but now i see and his command is only for visualization and don for modify the parameters of ethernet
[22:39] <giu-> ...
[22:42] <sarnold> oh, hmm, is networkctl reconfigure new in 20.04? that'd be a bummer :(
[23:13] <giu-> anyway thanks now i test and re call for this argument
[23:13] <giu-> well see u later.
[23:13] <sarnold> bye giu- :) have fun