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[02:44] <galileo> I need advice/suggestions for getting the TV Out working on my old All-In-Wonder 8500...  or for someone to tell me it's not possible so I can quit wasting my time.
[02:45] <Tari> afaik, all-in-wonder cards aren't supported well at all under linux
[02:47] <galileo> ah, that sucks.  I've seen some references to success stories, but the instructions are all pretty thin and linux video configurations are about as far from my strong points as is possible.
[02:47] <galileo> Maybe it's finally time to ditch this old card and go buy some cheap new thing.
[02:49] <galileo> Any suggestions for what works most readily?  (Cheap, no need for HD, it's going in a slow computer anyway)
[02:53] <Lunar_Lamp> When I start mythfrontend I get an error that mythtv-setup does not appear to have been run - do I want to run it now.  So I run it, configure, exit, and then mythfrontend asks again when I try to run it.
[02:53] <Lunar_Lamp> What's going on?
[02:54] <Tari> galileo, the pvr-150 is a good choice
[03:04] <tgm4883> Tari, I think he needs something with TV out
[03:04] <Tari> hrm
[03:04] <tgm4883> galileo, I suggest the Hauppauge card with TV out, it's either the PVR-250, or PVR-350, I dont remember which
[03:04] <Tari> I got a nvidia 6200 with a composite (RCA) output
[03:05] <Tari> PVR-350 has the TV-out
[03:05] <tgm4883> I knew it was one of the two
[03:05] <tgm4883> Lunar_Lamp, is this a mythbuntu setup or a gutsy setup with mythtv installed
[03:06] <Lunar_Lamp> Well, I installed mythtv a while ago, upgraded to gutsy and latest stuff, had issues so removed all the myth packages, and installed ubuntu-mythtv-frontend and mythtv-backend
[03:06] <Lunar_Lamp> (I think those are the package names)
[03:06] <Lunar_Lamp> Everything seems to be working fine, except for that error message, and I cannot watch TV as I just get a blank screen.
[03:07] <Lunar_Lamp> I've just repaired the keybindings database, but not sure if that would have been relevant to teh error I was getting.
[03:08] <tgm4883> Lunar_Lamp, I came across that while writing the gutsy to mythbuntu guide although I wasn't sure if it was related to it being in my VM.  Care to write a bug report?
[03:08] <galileo> Lunar, I'm getting the same thing from my fresh mythbuntu install... I just haven't had gotten over my other issues to look at it yet.  :-)
[03:08] <tgm4883> superm1_, did you see this ^^
[03:08] <superm1_> tgm4883, i just waled in
[03:08] <superm1_> what happens?
 When I start mythfrontend I get an error that mythtv-setup does not appear to have been run - do I want to run it now.  So I run it, configure, exit, and then mythfrontend asks again when I try to run it.
[03:08] <superm1_> ah yes, the same thing you were getting last night tgm4883
[03:08] <Lunar_Lamp> I'm not sure if I'm glad to be in good company or not!
[03:08] <tgm4883> yep
[03:09] <superm1_> can one of you guys file a bug against the mythtv source package?
[03:09] <superm1_> i'll investigate as soon as i can with it
[03:09] <tgm4883> galileo just said he had the same problem on a mythbuntu install, but im not sure where he would have gotten it from
[03:09] <superm1_> i have a feeling i know what it is
[03:09] <superm1_> hopefully a quick fix :)
[03:09] <tgm4883> Lunar_Lamp, are you going to file a bug report?  Otherwise i'll do it after dinner
[03:10] <Lunar_Lamp> I'm thinking of dropping the whole database and starting the configuration again, but that seems a little radical.
[03:10] <Lunar_Lamp> tgm4883: er, where do you want me to file the bug report? launchpad?
[03:10] <Lunar_Lamp> It's 2am here though, so I was about to call it a night :-/
[03:11] <superm1_> launchpad yes
[03:11] <superm1_> well if you've got a few, it will be most appreciated (and less likely to be looked over) :)
[03:12] <Lunar_Lamp> Hmm, ok, not sure exactly what to file in the bug report, but I'll see if I can get around to it in the next 30msin or so
[03:13] <superm1_> awesome thanks
[03:13] <superm1_> just file exactly what you did
[03:13] <superm1_> which user you were when you did it
[03:13] <superm1_> and such
[03:16] <superm1_> okay back home for me now
[03:39] <bendailey> tgm4883: any news on bittorrent?
[03:53] <tgm4883> bendailey, did you not get my message yesterday?
[04:08] <bendailey> tgm4883_laptop: no sorry my laptop crashed while I was away
[04:10] <bendailey> tgm4883_laptop: I will check the irc logs tomorrow thanks
[04:10] <bendailey> good night everyone
[05:16] <MythbuntuGuest25> I have a question
[05:16] <MythbuntuGuest25> What are my options when xserver fails to work?
[05:16] <MythbuntuGuest25> I have a PCI NVidia card (5200 or something)...
[07:46] <foxxbuntu> evening superm1
[07:46] <superm1> hi
[07:47] <foxxbuntu> I think I just broke the land speed record for fatties everywhere
[07:47] <foxxbuntu> lol
[07:49] <foxxbuntu> anyways
[07:55] <foxxbuntu> superm1, how would you provide a patch to an upstream?
[07:55] <superm1> to what upstream?
[07:55] <foxxbuntu> gdm
[07:56] <superm1> um what for?
[07:56] <foxxbuntu> well I was wondering if anyone has taken care of bug 132833
[07:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132833 in gdm "login background color is hardcoded" [Low,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132833
[07:56] <foxxbuntu> I was intrested in how that works
[07:57] <superm1> well if its marked Triaged, then we're aware of it
[07:57] <superm1> we meaning ubuntu
[07:57] <foxxbuntu> oh
[07:57] <superm1> if we have a local patch it will get applied and then submitted upstream
[07:58] <foxxbuntu> ah
[08:00] <foxxbuntu> anything else I could dig in on?
[08:01] <superm1> you mean in terms of investigating / bug fixing?
[08:01] <foxxbuntu> sure if thats what needs doing
[08:01] <superm1> well there are a few big things left
[08:02] <superm1> one sec though i was just pinged in -devel
[08:08] <superm1> okay so the pressing issues yet, 1) ubiquity freezing when adding/removing packages.  i need to talk to mvo about that tomorrow.  2) the session setup.  3) triaging any bugs, fixing what's fixable
[08:09] <foxxbuntu> k
[08:10] <foxxbuntu> y session setup you mean Openbox ==> Xfce
[08:10] <foxxbuntu> ?
[08:10] <foxxbuntu> by*
[08:11] <superm1> well yeah
[08:11] <superm1> there is a mess involved with getting that sorted out correctly still
[08:12] <superm1> i was hoping to get some responses to the ML
[08:12] <superm1> to find out an opinion of best approach for it
[08:13] <foxxbuntu> could a session switch be done? as in let the users chose what they want as a default from CC for this round, and then remove the choice and the old session in the next...thus preventing breakage?
[08:14] <superm1> well the breakage is mostly going to be for feisty upgrades i expect
[08:14] <foxxbuntu> oh
[08:14] <superm1> whose login behavior is suddenly very very different
[08:14] <foxxbuntu> isn't it that way however going from f to g?
[08:15] <superm1> well right now no
[08:15] <superm1> you can upgrade to gutsy
[08:15] <superm1> and expect a clean upgrade
[08:15] <foxxbuntu> oh
[08:15] <superm1> but if ubuntu-mythtv-frontend suddenly has these new dependencies, i expect trouble
[08:15] <foxxbuntu> hmm
[08:16] <superm1> especially since things are done as a normal user now
[08:16] <superm1> and for feisty its all the mythtv user
[08:17] <foxxbuntu> so essentially its a rebuild going up to gutsy for the new depends
[08:18] <foxxbuntu> unless they are already using ubuntu-desktop
[08:18] <foxxbuntu> right?
[08:18] <superm1> well i'd like to avoid it being a rebuild for people going up to gutsy
[08:18] <superm1> but yeah
[08:18] <foxxbuntu> ok...I think i have a grasp on it now
[08:19] <superm1> so what i'm leaning towards right now
[08:19] <superm1> is making it all done from that one mythbuntu session
[08:19] <superm1> and just abolish the administration mode
[08:19] <superm1> its just "Mythbuntu" session
[08:19] <foxxbuntu> would make more sense
[08:20] <foxxbuntu> and a simplier config
[08:21] <superm1> yeah perhaps that's the best solution then
[08:21] <superm1> makes it a mess for alpha4-> onward migrators
[08:21] <superm1> but otherwise people should be fine
[08:21] <foxxbuntu> yea
[08:22] <superm1> okay well in agreeing to that, there is a mess of things that need to be determined
[08:22] <superm1> probably the biggest one will be control centre changes
[08:22] <superm1> to reflect that new behavior
[08:24] <foxxbuntu> and changing the mythbuntu-gdm-theme into a mythbuntu-xfce-theme
[08:25] <superm1> changing it into?
[08:25] <foxxbuntu> er
[08:25] <superm1> gdm is still used
[08:25] <foxxbuntu> default settings i mean
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #145475 in mythmusic (multiverse) "mythmusic does not play" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145475
[08:28] <foxxbuntu> so basically for that, a new splash, desktop settings, moving icons around, and tracking down all of the packages needed for more "user friendly" interaction correct?
[08:30] <superm1> well we do need a splash screen for xfce
[08:30] <superm1> that is another item that needs to be tackled
[08:30] <superm1> not urgent, but eventually
[08:30] <superm1> but yeah generally what you said
[08:32] <foxxbuntu> so will all that go into -default-settings?
[08:32] <superm1> well more or less yeah
[08:33] <superm1> there might be more binary packages produced at one point
[08:33] <foxxbuntu> or should I create a -xfce-settings-dev for now?
[08:33] <superm1> but they will all be in that source package
[08:33] <foxxbuntu> k
[08:34] <foxxbuntu> well I will start clawing away at the xfce envrionment then
[08:36] <foxxbuntu> well superm1 nite...
[08:36] <superm1> okay well i'll sort out the login properties for it, so worry more about other items with it
[08:36] <superm1> like the splash
[08:36] <foxxbuntu> sure
[08:36] <superm1> and icon themes
[08:36] <superm1> and such
[08:36] <superm1> night foxxbuntu
[08:36] <foxxbuntu> I will work out the gui
[08:36] <foxxbuntu> night
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #139591 in mythbuntu-control-centre (universe) "while configuring auto login, i get a python back trace" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139591
[10:35] <superm1> tgm4883, i think i've narrowed down this issue that was cropping up with regard to continually asking to configure the backend
[10:35] <superm1> it looks like is a bash/dash problem
[10:36] <superm1> i'm gonna push a few things to the ppa and then get to bed
[10:36] <DaveMorris> yeah goto bed :P
[10:36] <superm1> haha
[10:37] <superm1> well i got hopefully the rest of the xfce migration prepped now
[10:37] <DaveMorris> cool
[10:37] <superm1> we'll see on tomorrow's livedisk build
[10:37] <superm1> laga needs to fix the control centre stuff that he broke for the last piece though
[10:37] <superm1> that does seem annoying
[10:38] <DaveMorris> and then expect you to work on it and go away
[10:39] <superm1> argh i guess i cant go to bed
[10:39] <DaveMorris> why not?
[10:40] <superm1> the person i needed to talk to just joined -devel
[10:40] <superm1> he was busy all day yesterday, so i figured i'd grab him today
[10:40] <superm1> i should probably talk to him before he is busy again
[11:19] <laga> morning
[11:20] <superm1> whew i really need to get to bed now
[11:20] <superm1> hopefully talking to mvo ends up being worth it
[11:20] <laga> what do you want from him
[11:20] <superm1> well i was going to have him help debug an issue with ubiquity freezing after installing packages
[11:21] <superm1> he wanted to try to reproduce it himself
[11:21] <laga> ah
[11:21] <laga> i'll fix mcc later
[11:21] <superm1> so i'm uploading an iso to http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/~superm1/
[11:21] <laga> cool.
[11:21] <superm1> but that will be like 2 hours until its done
[11:21] <laga> no worries, it's 11am here. just got up :)
[11:21] <Daviey> so so
[11:22] <Daviey> superm1: you confused me there... forgot uk.cdimages isn't mine anymore :)
[11:22] <laga> my xmltv grabber is starting to look good. it should be baseline compliant. only problem is the messy code and that the channel ids are not valid
[11:22] <laga> but 3.5 minutes for 10 days worth of epg data for 70 channels is quite fast :)
[11:23] <superm1> haha Daviey
[11:24] <superm1> laga, i fixed a few other things in the control centre too, so don't forget to bzr update before you commit
[11:24] <laga> ok. did you revert my changes?
[11:24] <superm1> Nope
[11:24] <superm1> all still intact
[11:24] <superm1> i did my changes in another branch
[11:24] <superm1> and then brought them back in
[11:24] <superm1> after i made sure they worked as expected
[11:25] <laga> so this CD has a broken control centre. unless mythweb is installed ;)
[11:25] <superm1> the one that is showing up on uk.cdimages right now?
[11:25] <laga> yes
[11:25] <superm1> that's from yesterday, before i added the rest of the xfce changes tonight
[11:26] <laga> k
[11:26] <superm1> so, no :)
[11:26] <laga> shouldnt be hard to fix m-c-c
[11:26] <laga> i hope :/
[11:26] <superm1> yeah hopefully :)
[11:26] <superm1> okay night all
[11:27] <Daviey> nn superm1
[11:27] <DaveMorris> night
[11:27] <laga> night superm1
[02:24] <Samson-> curse you mcc
[02:24] <DaveMorris> blame laga
[02:25] <Samson-> aahaha, i had CS/Math flashbacks, thought you were talking about matlab
[02:25] <laga> heh
[02:25] <Samson-> nevermind
[02:25] <laga> you should take less LSD in class
[02:26] <laga> so
[02:26] <laga> it looks like i can't store a value "True" with configparser
[02:32] <laga> yes. :/
[02:32] <laga> TypeError: argument of type 'bool' is not iterable
[02:33] <laga> oh well, i'll just add some more hackish workaround cruft to the script then
[02:34] <laga> http://www.pastebin.ca/717128
[02:35] <laga> ^^ can anyone with feisty try that script`
[02:35] <laga> ?
[02:36] <Samson-> un momento
[02:36] <laga> ah, it works if i put "" around true
[02:36] <Samson-> TypeError: argument of type 'bool' is not iterable
[02:36] <laga> superm1: thanks
[02:36] <laga> err, Samson-
[02:37] <laga> i hope i didn't just wake him up :(
[02:37] <Samson-> it does indeed
[02:37] <Samson-> laga: blame it on ChanServ
[02:37] <laga> yup
[02:37] <laga> damn you, chanserv
[02:41] <Daviey> yeah, I blame chanserv on interest rate rises aswell
[02:43] <laga> Samson-: thanks for testing, btw
[02:45] <Samson-> no problemo
[03:20] <Lunar_Lamp> Right, I can't work out what's going on with my setup - tv playback in myth just isn't working at all.  I think I need to delete the database and start from the beginning.
[03:20] <Lunar_Lamp> What's the best way to delete the database?
[03:22] <laga> drop database mythconverg; in mysql
[03:23] <Lunar_Lamp> laga: ok, I thought so, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing another way.
[03:37] <DaveMorris> I've just been looking at the statistics of users visiting mythbuntu.org and 57% of them are using Windows, do you think many of them are running it, do we have statstics of how many people are running mythbuntu?
[03:37] <laga> that scares me.
[03:38] <laga> "help! in mce, it just worked!"
[03:38] <DaveMorris> yeah, for some reason we had 13k hits yesterday
[03:38] <laga> nifty!
[03:39] <directhex|work> hm. strange. installing torrentflux appears to have become non-trivial on feisty compared to dapper
[03:39] <chuk1> I do all my surfing on windows, but I use mythbuntu
[03:40] <chuk1> I think thats common
[03:41] <DaveMorris> chuk1: how come you've not swtiched to linux on your desktop?
[03:42] <chuk1> I need it for work
[03:43] <chuk1> plus, mythbuntu is good for the novice user
[03:43] <chuk1> so I think you see a large % of windows users going there
[03:43] <laga> is it?
[03:43] <chuk1> its a hell of a lot easier than doing it yourself
[03:43] <chuk1> compiling, etc.
[03:43] <DaveMorris> I noticed they are mainly savvy, with 78% firefox useage compared to 14% IE
[03:43] <laga> yup
[03:44] <directhex|work> does mythtv-database use dbconfig-common ?
[03:44] <chuk1> true, I think to even be interested in myth, you need to be somewhat savvy
[03:44] <chuk1> but I mean novice linux users, not novice pc users
[03:44] <laga> but still, sometimes i think the whole thing (not only mythbuntu) needs to be made more robust. but then, i run svn trunk and tinker way too much
[03:46] <DaveMorris> his only been asleep for arund 5hrs then
[03:46] <Daviey> well he was scp'ing some iso's to http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/ ... they were there; now they have gone :s
[03:47] <laga> Daviey: http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/~superm1/ ?
[03:47] <Daviey> superm1's ethos is that sleep is for the weak... he only pretneds to be asleep..  How else could one person find the 25+ hrs in a day to stuff??
[03:47] <laga> yeah
[03:47] <laga> he told me he didn't coffee
[03:47] <Daviey> laga: eeek, good point
[03:47] <laga> i dont think i can believe him
[03:47] <DaveMorris> prehaps he uses the 28hr day model - http://xkcd.com/320/
[03:48] <laga> yeah, saw that, too
[03:48] <Daviey> (30.88 MB/s) - `mythbuntu-7.10~070926-i386.iso' saved  <--- hell yeah
[03:49] <DaveMorris> are we doing another alpha release now then?
[03:49] <laga> Daviey: gutsy beta has been released today.
[03:50] <Daviey> 30.88MB/s!
[03:50] <laga> meh :/
[03:53] <laga> i want a new lolcat every day
[03:56] <Daviey> I can download @ 2.33MB/s (max speed i can get) to home from frink_'s box
[03:57] <laga> bah, only 300-400k from uk-cdimages
[03:57] <Daviey> laga: hmm.. that blows
[03:57] <laga> i wish
[04:13] <Daviey> I'm not adverse to the idea... i just think it floats like a rock
[04:14] <bendailey> Daviey: have you gotten a chance to play with the new script?
[04:14] <Daviey> bendailey: eeek, no
[04:14] <Daviey> bendailey: Did you discuss with superm1 about what database to use?
[04:14] <Daviey> a fresh one, or drupal?
[04:15] <bendailey> Daviey: yes I talked with superm1 and he is planning on putting it inside the drupal db to minimize backup/restore of mysql
[04:15] <Daviey> I could demo it on uk.weeklybuilds.myth'
[04:15] <Daviey> And do we know what happens, upon a drupal upgrade?
[04:16] <Daviey> surely a full mysql dump is no extra effort?
[04:16] <bendailey> drupal upgrade great question how does drupal deal with plugin tables?
[04:16] <Daviey> :s
[04:16] <Daviey> no idea..
[04:24] <bendailey> Daviey: I just looked at the update.php script in drupal and it seems to touch table on an individual basis extra tables *should* cause no harm
[04:49] <directhex|work> hm, definitely have a problem here. i suspect a lack of sudo-awareness
[04:52] <DaveMorris> whats wrong>
[05:01] <directhex|work> nothing mythbuntuish, but no doubt something you guys have dealt with. torrentflux, which also needs to set up a mysql db/user, doesn't seem happy on any system where there's no real root account or mysql root password
[05:02] <laga> create the DB manually?
[05:10] <directhex|work> well, yes, that's the user-friendly workaround
[05:10] <directhex|work> looks like a known bug which is fixed in gutsy, but that doesn't really help
[05:11] <laga> use sane software
[05:12] <laga> but if i did that, i'd have ditched gutsy already..
[05:12] <superm1> guys no next alpha announce yet.
[05:12] <superm1> that disk was mainly for mvo to test things
[05:12] <laga> superm1: oh. i was already announcing betas. ;)
[05:12] <superm1> but wow Daviey nice speeds
[05:12] <DaveMorris> I've made a amd64 version today superm1 and I'll grab some screen shots of xfce on it
[05:12] <superm1> cool cool.  so things that i pushed last night worked then?
[05:13] <DaveMorris> I'll test it around 5:30ish after work :)
[05:13] <bendailey> superm1: do you have time to setup those tables?
[05:13] <laga> superm1: control centre is not completely fixed yet
[05:13] <laga> superm1: it doesn't bork anymore, but i need to work out some last quirks
[05:13] <superm1> getting there?
[05:13] <superm1> good good
[05:14] <bendailey> Daviey: are you comfortable with superm1 adding the tables for my download script to the drupal db?
[05:14] <laga> working with mcc makes me wanna go back to xmltv, though
[05:14] <superm1> yeah i can do that bendailey
[05:14] <superm1> you got things ready to go with them?
[05:15] <superm1> laga, python is supposed to be 'fun'
[05:15] <laga> so is heroine
[05:15] <directhex|work> it is? i prefer c#
[05:15] <laga> oh, wait.
[05:15] <superm1> haha
[05:16] <laga> superm1: so, what's the problem with making config files you can put on other boxes?
[05:17] <superm1> laga, it's an unfinished thought at this point
[05:17] <superm1> because you wouldnt want to duplicate *everything* in there
[05:17] <laga> adding support shouldn't be hard. at least not writing out config files
[05:17] <laga> true, but you could use it as a starting point
[05:17] <superm1> yeah writing out the config files is very easy
[05:17] <laga> or define which settings to export
[05:17] <laga> btw, is there a config file for the control centre already?
[05:18] <laga> (or keep it all in debconf? ;))
[05:18] <superm1> it's all generated on the fly
[05:18] <superm1> as you run it
[05:18] <bendailey> superm1: I am feeling lazy about writing an admin script is using
[05:18] <laga> superm1: ok
[05:18] <bendailey> http://drupal.org/project/dba out of the question?
[05:18] <superm1> bendailey, well as long as there is some way to admin the box and easily add/remove mirrors
[05:18] <superm1> and disable mirrors
[05:19] <superm1> oh that looks pretty nice
[05:19] <superm1> i'll pop that on if you want to play with things with it
[05:19] <bendailey> yeah I think that would be simple and powerful
[05:19] <bendailey> that would be great
[05:21] <superm1> as long as everyone agrees no breaking the site...
[05:21] <superm1> since we all have equal rights on it :)
[05:21] <laga> who's our primus inter pares?
[05:24] <Daviey> bendailey: sorry was afkb
[05:24] <Daviey> I'd prefer a different database, but If it's easier to do - then it shouldn't matter
[05:25] <superm1> bendailey, dba should be installed now
[05:25] <bendailey> Daviey: no problem
[05:25] <bendailey> superm1: great and I promise to not back the site :)
[05:25] <superm1> and you can upload scripts directly it looks like
[05:25] <bendailey> superm1: can you edit apache confs on the box?
[05:25] <superm1> yeah i can
[05:26] <bendailey> ok do we want to setup .com .net?
[05:26] <superm1> bendailey, here will be what you need to get at dba: http://mythbuntu.org/admin/build/database
[05:26] <superm1> yeah, i'm not sure how it should be done though?  More vhosts?
[05:26] <superm1> or what's most appropriate
[05:27] <tgm4883> eh, im for domain forwarding
[05:27] <bendailey> are we using rewrite for clean urls in drupal?
[05:27] <Daviey> "Access denied
[05:27] <Daviey> You are not authorized to access this page."
[05:27] <Daviey> yah
[05:28] <bendailey> superm1: same as Daviey here
[05:29] <superm1> interesting. well so maybe you don't have access by default
[05:29] <superm1> give me a moment and i'll add access
[05:29] <superm1> try now
[05:32] <bendailey> hmm site is just spinning but I can tracert to it
[05:33] <tgm4883> yea i can't access anything at mythbuntu.org now
[05:33] <tgm4883> which i would think is a bad thing
[05:34] <bendailey> superm1: can you get shell at the box?
[05:34] <superm1> let me try
[05:35] <laga> renaming variables *always* breaks stuff when i do it :/
[05:35] <tgm4883> heh, this would be why we have a test site
[05:36] <superm1> well i got shell but it is *crawling*
[05:36] <bendailey> top?
[05:36] <superm1> hm everything still appears to be alive
[05:36] <superm1> top doesnt show anythign using a ton of cpu
[05:36] <superm1> its just not very responsive
[05:37] <bendailey> hmm net issues?
[05:37] <tgm4883> something using a ton of bandwidth?
[05:37] <tgm4883> bendailey, that would be highly coincidencle
[05:37] <superm1> well hm what to do then.
[05:38] <bendailey> agreed but .... you never know
[05:38] <laga> install bmon or what it's caleld and take a look? ;)
[05:38] <superm1> i'll restart apache2
[05:39] <bendailey> mythbuntu just loaded
[05:39] <superm1> okay so restarting apache2 helped
[05:39] <superm1> i wonder what was with that
[05:39] <bendailey> now have access to dba also
[05:41] <bendailey> superm1: I am going to to prefix all the download script tables with dl_ so they are grouped in the dba make sense to you?
[05:41] <bendailey> Daviey: ^^^
[05:41] <superm1> yeah that makes sense
[05:41] <bendailey> can I upload the download script?
[05:43] <tgm4883> alright, off to apply to graduate, biab
[05:43] <laga> gah
[05:45] <bendailey> superm1: why don't we add server aliases for .com and .net then use a rewrite rule to send all request to .org
[05:45] <bendailey> that way we can keep a single vhost
[05:45] <superm1> yeah go for it bendailey
[05:46] <superm1> yeah that is probably the easiest route to go
[05:46] <superm1> without needing to make more vhosts
[05:46] <bendailey> I can't get to the vhost conf  can i?
[05:51] <laga> bah
[05:51] <laga> fsckin'g intendation with python. i never actually modified the debconf database because that code block belonged to the wrong if clause
[05:52] <directhex|work> whitespace sensitivity is my main python complaint
[05:53] <bendailey> superm1: dns changes are done for .com and .net
[05:54] <bendailey> how/who/when do you want do the apache conf changes?
[05:54] <superm1> directhex|work, that is my favorite thing about python
[05:54] <superm1> bendailey, i'll do it right now
[05:54] <bendailey> ok do you want the rewrite rules?
[05:55] <directhex|work> superm1, why? the python whitespace conventions are *wrong*
[05:55] <superm1> wrong?
[05:55] <directhex|work> and so is the lack of a proper switch statement
[05:55] <superm1> well that proper switch statement does annoy me too though
[05:55] <superm1> but the whitespace thing makes things readable
[05:55] <directhex|work> not to me, since it's not the same whitespace convention i use :p
[05:56] <superm1> bendailey, okay the aliases for com and .net are in place
[05:56] <superm1> i added www.mythbuntu.com mythbuntu.com www.mythbuntu.net mythbuntu.net
[05:57] <bendailey> superm1: great
[05:57] <bendailey> here is the rewrite rules I would use
[06:00] <bendailey> superm1: Here are the rules: http://work.bhmsd.k12.in.us/mythbuntu_rewrite.txt
[06:00] <superm1> bendailey, where will those need to go?
[06:00] <bendailey> does drupal use the .htaccess for clean urls?
[06:01] <superm1> yeah
[06:01] <superm1> so just in that .htacess then i take it
[06:01] <superm1> by the other rewrite rules
[06:01] <bendailey> ok at the top of the .htaccess I believe
[06:01] <bendailey> yeah but we better test to make sure it doesn't break the other rules
[06:01] <tgm4883> superm1, is there a special tickless kernel or is it that built into generic
[06:02] <superm1> tgm4883, its built into generic i thought?
[06:02] <bendailey> tgm4883: in gutsy yes tickless is default
[06:02] <tgm4883> I just wanted to be sure I was using the right one :)
[06:02] <tgm4883> did you figure out the dimmer setting for your thinkpad?
[06:02] <laga> tickless is not on for amd64, AFAIK
[06:03] <laga> it'll be there in 2.6.23 afaik
[06:03] <superm1> well that doesn't redirect anything bendailey
[06:03] <superm1> just tried
[06:03] <tgm4883> I think i figured out why it shows in mine for gutsy but didn't for feisty
[06:03] <superm1> tgm4883, yeah something broke with that dimmer on my thinkpad too
[06:03] <superm1> i wasnt sure if it was just me
[06:03] <tgm4883> so is it there now or not?
[06:03] <tgm4883> in the power settings?
[06:03] <superm1> but it used to work perfectly on feisty
[06:04] <bendailey> hmm nothing gets redirected...
[06:04] <superm1> try hitting the keys for it
[06:04] <superm1> and see what thegui shows
[06:04] <superm1> (fn home/end)
[06:04] <bendailey> superm1: did you reload apache?
[06:04] <tgm4883> I *think* that mine didn't show up in feisty because I used the 915resolution package instead of the correct intel video driver that im now using in gutsy
[06:04] <superm1> bendailey, should i need to?  Its in a home directory
[06:04] <bendailey> not sure but won't hurt
[06:05] <laga> alright
[06:05] <laga> superm1: ok, mcc is fixed. it still requires some polishing and there's lots of debugging messages, but i'll clean that up later
[06:05] <tgm4883> mine still doesn't work correctly though, as I pretty much have to manually set it in power settings instead of with the keyboard
[06:05] <laga> superm1: i'll push it now if you dont mind
[06:05] <superm1> laga, can you at least comment out the debugging messages?
[06:05] <laga> superm1: ok
[06:06] <bendailey> superm1: I don't think those rules are valid in the .htaccess context
[06:06] <superm1> bendailey, just the same with it
[06:06] <bendailey> I think they need placed inside the vhost config sorry
[06:06] <laga> superm1: or rather, if you don't need it right i'll hold off the commit till i feel it's completely ready
[06:06] <superm1> bendailey, ah okay
[06:06] <laga> s/right/right now/
[06:06] <superm1> laga, yeah that's fine
[06:07] <superm1> mvo still hasn't caught the other pressing issue
[06:07] <superm1> and i'm waiting on the xubuntu-devel for some info about how to prevent network manager gnome from coming up many times
[06:07] <laga> are these problems in the bug tracker
[06:07] <laga> right now, i'm not sure what else is needed for beta
[06:09] <superm1> well the only things left (other than pushing changes to the archive)
[06:09] <superm1> are ubiquity and the freezing apt
[06:09] <laga> is unionfs OK now?
[06:09] <superm1> xfce background
[06:09] <superm1> and migrating autostarted processes to the proper xfce method
[06:09] <superm1> unionfs is OK now
[06:10] <superm1> from what i've heard
[06:10] <DaveMorris> superm1: did you remove the pannel at the bottom for xfce?
[06:10] <superm1> edubuntu was getting kernel oops',
[06:10] <laga> superm1: ok, that sounds manageable.
[06:10] <superm1> but we haven't
[06:10] <superm1> so i'm hoping this transient issue with apt/ubiquity isn't from unionfs still
[06:10] <superm1> since there are no oops', but i wouldnt put that out of the question
[06:10] <DaveMorris> also I can't seem to be able to do a manual configuration of my network settings with the network manager gnome panel icon thing
[06:11] <bendailey> superm1: did you get a chance to move the rewrite rules and restart apache?
[06:11] <superm1> DaveMorris, yeah i took off the bottom panel.
[06:11] <superm1> DaveMorris, what is needed for manual configuration to work?
[06:11] <superm1> do you know
[06:11] <DaveMorris> not sure, it just doesn't launch anything for me
[06:12] <superm1> bendailey, okay so where do these go in the vhost config?
[06:12] <superm1> i dont see a very appropriate area
[06:13] <bendailey> they should be able to go last thing before the closing VirtualHost tag
[06:13] <superm1> http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/plone-apache/virtualhost
[06:13] <superm1> ah like that
[06:14] <bendailey> yep
[06:14] <superm1> yeah that works :)
[06:14] <superm1> awesome
[06:15] <bendailey> so now even mythbunt.org get redirected to www.mythbuntu.org
[06:15] <superm1> yeah i noticed that too
[06:15] <superm1> good side effect
[06:16] <bendailey> superm1: this works great thanks
[06:16] <superm1> thanks from you too :)
[06:16] <bendailey> no problem
[06:18] <bendailey> has anyone seen laptop screen distortion problems in tribe 5?
[06:18] <tgm4883> what kind of distortion?
[06:18] <tgm4883> also, beta came out today
[06:19] <bendailey> like color inversion and unreadable fonts
[06:19] <tgm4883> nope haven't seen that
[06:19] <superm1> it's too bad wubi didn't make it in for this disk
[06:19] <tgm4883> just a few issues with sleeping
[06:19] <superm1> ~ubuntu-installer has been working really hard on it
[06:19] <bendailey> great I just installed on a acer tablet yesterday should have waited
[06:20] <tgm4883> bendailey, yep, always check the release schedule :)
[06:20] <superm1> well you can just apt-get update/dist-upgrade now though
[06:20] <tgm4883> yea
[06:20] <bendailey> yeah I was home sick with my son yesterday and had time to do the install
[06:20] <tgm4883> of course, if you downloaded the daily build it really doesn't matter
[06:21] <bendailey> I dist-upgrade last night and had >300 packages update so I am probably at beta
[06:24] <DaveMorris> has anyone else tried to manually change the network settings?
[06:24] <tgm4883> DaveMorris, of mythbuntu?
[06:24] <superm1> DaveMorris, i'm building a new disk right now.  I'll try right after that comes up
[06:24] <DaveMorris> yeah, using the panel applet
[06:51] <DaveMorris> superm1: the disk built yet?
[06:51] <superm1> DaveMorris, just finished
[06:52] <DaveMorris> btw amd64 version works fine
[06:52] <superm1> yeah manual configuration doesn't do anythign for me either
[06:58] <superm1> DaveMorris, if you install gnome-system-tools, that network settings dialog works
[06:58] <DaveMorris> ok, you gonna add it to the script then?
[06:58] <DaveMorris> or as a depends?
[06:58] <superm1> i'll add it to the meta
[06:59] <superm1> although apt claims that there was at one point a xubuntu-system-tools
[06:59] <superm1> wonder where that went
[07:00] <Lunar_Lamp> Right, I said last night that I'd file a bug report in launchpad about the error message on loading the gutsy mythtvfrontend that talks about running myth-setup. I haven't done it yet - Im about to do it now. Does anyone know if someone has already filed one though?
[07:00] <superm1> i dont think so Lunar_Lamp
[07:00] <superm1> i didnt get any bug mail on it
[07:02] <Lunar_Lamp> ok
[07:02] <Lunar_Lamp> I'll try and write a good bug report then
[07:13] <DaveMorris> did you know someone is translating our mythbuntu posts into Italian for us and posting them on wordpress - http://farrebyc.wordpress.com/
[07:13] <superm1> ha sweet
[07:14] <DaveMorris> any way we can link to them from our site?
[07:15] <Lunar_Lamp> Gah, I'm going to be a bit slow with that bug report superm1 - trying to solve an ODD error I'm getting at the moment when I try to run screen - Cannot make directory '/var/run/screen': Permission denied
[07:15] <superm1> Lunar_Lamp, hm odd
[07:15] <DaveMorris> I've got my local LUG to goto now
[07:15] <DaveMorris> catch you all later
[07:16] <superm1> cya
[07:17] <Lunar_Lamp> Hmm, well, sorted it out but no idea what caused it.
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #145706 in mythtv (multiverse) "mythfrontend.real crashed with SIGSEGV in glXMakeCurrentReadSGI()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145706
[07:26] <laga> sigh :/
[07:26] <laga> segfaults suck, especially when we cant debug them
[07:32] <Lunar_Lamp> ok, superm1, I've filed a very poor bug report - Please feel free to request more info though as i had no idea what you'd need to trace the bug (and included nothing accordingly).
[07:32] <superm1> Lunar_Lamp, okay thanks :)
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #145714 in mythtv (multiverse) "mythtv-frontend not detecting previous runs of mythsetup" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145714
[08:03] <laga> hey superm1. have you heard about problems with mythweb auth where just the first line in htaccess gets uncommented?
[08:03] <superm1> can't say i have
[08:03] <laga> k
[08:03] <laga> need to fix the trunk packages myself then
[08:04] <superm1> but just because i didn't hear of it, doesnt mean its not a problem for -fixes too :)
[08:04] <laga> heh
[08:20] <laga> superm1: ok, mcc is pushed.
[08:21] <superm1> laga, k i'll pull it in a sec
[08:21] <laga> needs some polishing here and there, but it works here.
[08:21] <superm1> hopefully things are working now :)
[08:21] <laga> heh
[08:21] <laga> i hope so
[08:21] <laga> spend like 6h on it today
[08:21] <superm1> i've been pushing changes to the ppa left and right related to this xfce stuff all morning too
[08:21] <superm1> i'm hoping that it is about ready to go
[08:22] <superm1> so i can push it to the archive
[08:22] <superm1> but i have a feeling there are a few more things that will be found with it still
[08:22] <laga> wish i had more time to test
[08:22] <laga> but my xmltv grabber needs some atttention
[08:23] <therethinker> Hey guys, I've been downloading gutsy several times, and it keeps hanging, so I'm sorry I can't help much until then
[08:24] <superm1> therethinker, you might want to jump on the torrent for it
[08:24] <superm1> since the beta was announced today
[08:24] <superm1> for gutsy
[08:24] <laga> what keeps hanging - gutsy or the download?
[08:24] <therethinker> Ah, well, I have Comcast for an ISP, and they block seeding, so I can't send anything up
[08:24] <therethinker> the download
[08:24] <laga> ah
[08:25] <therethinker> Its my net connection, I think
[08:25] <laga> tried a different mirror?
[08:25] <therethinker> yeah
[08:26] <superm1> laga, wouldnt the u/p stuff make more sense 'below' the checkbox to enable it?
[08:26] <superm1> rather than above
[08:26] <laga> yeah. but i couldn't work out how to do that. maybe you know how?
[08:26] <laga> i suck a bit at glade
[08:26] <superm1> sure let me try
[08:31] <therethinker> wow, the torrent's fast :P
[08:34] <hansoffate|work> what do you guys think about this card for a mythtv box?
[08:34] <hansoffate|work> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127301
[08:36] <superm1> laga, how come the revert button takes forever now?
[08:37] <Lunar_Lamp> How do I get channel icons configured?
[08:37] <Lunar_Lamp> It seems that at random 3 of my channels have icons, and the rest don't. I can't work out why.
[08:37] <laga> superm1: no clue. didn't take that long here
[08:38] <laga> lemme check
[08:38] <superm1> um
[08:38] <superm1> i crashed it
[08:38] <laga> bah
[08:38] <superm1> by removing mythweb w/o turning on/off authentication
[08:38] <laga> bad superm1.
[08:38] <laga> backtrace?
[08:38] <superm1> let me pastebin the output
[08:39] <superm1> yup
[08:39] <superm1> http://pastebin.com/m4004d321
[08:40] <superm1> looks like you can't speak debconf unless you have it installed :)
[08:40] <superm1> i fixed the gui stuff though
[08:40] <superm1> let me push it back up
[08:40] <laga> yeah, i can reproduce it
[08:41] <laga> heh
[08:41] <laga> no, i got a different backtrace. interesting.
[08:41] <laga> hum
[08:42] <laga> superm1: don't you have "debconf-communicate" on your box?
[08:42] <superm1> yes
[08:42] <tgm4883> sweet, I got a postcard from a friend
[08:43] <laga> a nice russian lady wrote to me today, too
[08:43] <tgm4883> ahhhhh whats it dooooinggggggg.   Whyy iss it erasing all my files!!!
[08:43] <superm1> okay gui fixes are up in revno 64
[08:44] <tgm4883> oh guys, I just had this horrible nightmare that I was using windows
[08:44] <laga> superm1: ok. to cure yours, i'll add a "workaround" which disables mythweb auth as soon as mythweb is to be removed. that should be good enough
[08:44] <laga> bah
[08:45] <laga> superm1: ok. to cure yours, i'll add a "workaround" which disables mythweb auth as soon as mythweb is to be removed. that should be good enough
[08:45] <superm1> k
[08:45] <laga> bah
[08:46] <laga> having to go through the code to find the right spot to add that makes me sick
[08:51] <therethinker> 10%!
[08:51] <tgm4883> therethinker, I think it took me about an hour this morning over bittorrent
[08:51] <therethinker> its probably going to take 2.5 hrs
[08:52] <tgm4883> how fast?
[08:52] <therethinker> I don't mind, I'm excited its going faster than last night :P
[08:52] <therethinker> its 23KBpS
[08:52] <tgm4883> ouch
[08:53] <tgm4883> i was rolling at around 250
[08:53] <therethinker> ooh, 25
[08:53] <laga> about 400 here
[08:53] <laga> maybe you need another mirror?
[08:53] <tgm4883> yea, but you live accross the pond laga
[08:53] <therethinker> I never use BT, so I think its one of those things where they're not giving a lot to me
[08:53] <tgm4883> your connection is probably faster
[08:53] <therethinker> I'm using a torrent
[08:54] <therethinker> and I've downloaded ubuntu in just over 30 minutes before
[08:54] <hansoffate|work> what are you downloading?
[08:54] <laga> tgm4883: yeah, but i'd imagine that canonical has more than one mirror location?
[08:54] <hansoffate|work> is there an update to mythbuntu? i just downloaded it 2 days ago
[08:54] <therethinker> gutsy beta
[08:54] <hansoffate|work> oh ok
[08:54] <hansoffate|work> i need to get a video card before i can install it
[08:54] <hansoffate|work> lol
[08:55] <tgm4883> laga, were doing it over torrent. And high speed internet here is about 6Mbps
[08:55] <laga> tgm4883: ah.
[08:55] <laga> where is "here"?
[08:55] <therethinker> the HTTP is going to take 6.5 hours at this rate
[08:55] <tgm4883> US
[08:55] <laga> *sigh*
[08:55] <tgm4883> west coast to be exact
[08:55] <laga> therethinker: let me put it on my private server
[08:55] <therethinker> no, its fine
[08:56] <tgm4883> what kinda speed you get over there?
[08:56] <therethinker> I think its just my slow net
[08:56] <therethinker> Normally, fast, but its been really slow the last week or so
[08:56] <superm1> laga gotta run for a bit.  late for class.  ping me when you've pushed the mythweb stuff and i'll give her another go
[08:56] <laga> superm1: "her"? o_O
[08:56] <laga> you need to get out more ;)
[08:57] <laga> tgm4883: i have 26Mbps, but that's one of the faster connections available.
[08:57] <tgm4883> heh
[08:57] <laga> tgm4883: wow, is it a DVD image?
[08:57] <Daviey> laga: 26Mbps up and down?
[08:57] <superm1> well you were complaining about it, and trying to find the parts that make her work, so i assumed her was a good definition
[08:57] <tgm4883> I have 7Mbps, and thats one of the faster connections available
[08:57] <laga> Daviey: no, 1Mbps down.
[08:58] <laga> superm1: i know how to make "her" work, she's just complaining a lot ;)
[08:58] <tgm4883> 1Mbps down?
[08:58] <laga> yes
[08:58] <Daviey> 20Mbps down : 768kbs up here
[08:58] <superm1> haha
[08:58] <superm1> okay cu
[08:58] <Daviey> ttfn
[08:58] <tgm4883> 7 down, 1.5 up
[08:58] <laga> asynchronous pipes suck
[08:58] <laga> but better than nothing
[08:58] <Daviey> laga: but yours is upside down!
[08:58] <laga> duh
[08:58] <laga> 1Mbps up
[08:58] <laga> i mean
[08:58] <laga> :/
[08:58] <Daviey> heh
[08:59] <laga> is gutsy beta just a dvd image?
[08:59] <tgm4883> no
[08:59] <tgm4883> theres a cd
[08:59] <therethinker> CD, right?
[09:00] <therethinker> oh, I'm getting 50KBPS on BT
[09:00] <laga> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/
[09:00] <laga> ^^ only talking about the DVD here
[09:00] <therethinker> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/
[09:00] <tgm4883> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/
[09:01] <tgm4883> heh
[09:01] <laga> thx
[09:01] <tgm4883> beat me to it
[09:01] <therethinker> :-D
[09:01] <laga> bah
[09:01] <therethinker> hmmm
[09:02] <laga> 250kbps on my dedicated server
[09:02] <therethinker> What IS the DVD? How can it be 4.3 GB?
[09:02] <laga> therethinker: maybe KDE, too
[09:02] <laga> or all locales
[09:02] <laga> or openoffice :>
[09:02] <tgm4883> just FYI if you like to see google "dressed up" as my GF says, it's google's birthday.
[09:03] <therethinker> Haha, dressed up :P
[09:04] <laga> #
[09:04] <laga> (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)
[09:04] <laga> oops, sorry
[09:05] <therethinker> Hmm... even if it was X/K/ubuntu, it would still only be 2.1 GB, assuming that they shared no common files (which they do, so it's probably closer to 1.5 GB)
[09:05] <laga> some additional software i suppose.
[09:06] <therethinker> Maybe ubuntu studio too or something, that's a DVD, right?
[09:06] <laga> no clue
[09:06] <laga> but the software repos are huge
[09:06] <laga> so there's no problem filling a dvd
[09:06] <therethinker> Yeah :P
[09:07] <therethinker> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/ubuntu-7.10-beta-dvd-i386.list -- I'm poking around what's in it
[09:08] <tgm4883> therethinker, why bother reinventing the wheel
[09:08] <tgm4883> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=307060
[09:08] <therethinker> Wow, I feel smart :P
[09:09] <tgm4883> don't beat yourself up.  That took me like 4 seconds on google
[09:09] <tgm4883> :)
[09:09] <tgm4883> wait
[09:09] <therethinker> :P
[09:09] <tgm4883> Personalized Results 1 - 10 of about 2,060,000 for ubuntu dvd vs cd. (0.16 seconds)
[09:09] <tgm4883> i mispoke .16 seconds
[09:09] <therethinker> And I bet 3 of those seconds were spent looking at the new logo
[09:09] <tgm4883> of course
[09:10] <tgm4883> oogling the google logo
[09:24] <therethinker> Oh wow
[09:25] <therethinker> I'm getting 450KBpS now :D
[09:25] <laga> cool
[09:26] <therethinker> I'm just so happy :P
[09:27] <mattb> any idea why my dpi settings are all screwed after reinstalling the mythbuntu packages?
[09:31] <chuk> mine were too, I had to turn off EDID
[09:35] <therethinker> Okay, done downloading. That's weird... it peeked at 800KBPS
[09:36] <camelreef> hello everyone
[09:36] <tgm4883> hi
[09:36] <camelreef> <- Nico on launchpad
[09:36] <therethinker> hello
[09:36] <camelreef> I just added a comment
[09:36] <camelreef> !bug 139770
[09:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139770 in mythbuntu "gnome-screensaver coming up when watching TV or recording" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139770
[09:37] <camelreef> I hope it helps
[09:37] <camelreef> and I have another weird thing since an update or 2 ago, maybe linked to the nvidia blob
[09:37] <tgm4883> ok, have you resolved your issue though?
[09:38] <therethinker> How big is mythtv, about? I'm allocating VM space
[09:38] <camelreef> not resolved
[09:38] <tgm4883> ok, well you can disable the gnome screensaver manually
[09:38] <camelreef> I can kill it from an ssh session, sure
[09:38] <camelreef> but it comes back whenever I restart the frontend
[09:39] <tgm4883> camelreef, you can disable it via gnome-display-properties
[09:39] <tgm4883> that should last though a reboot
[09:40] <camelreef> as mentionned in the comment, I cannot access the gnome-display-properties as the session uses the mythtv user, a no password user
[09:40] <camelreef> su-ing to it is not really a possibility
[09:41] <camelreef> and I am wondering why I am getting this, quite suddenly
[09:41] <camelreef> I cannot be the only one
[09:41] <camelreef> and disabling it via the properties is hardly a long term fix
[09:41] <laga> you are not running latest mythbuntu
[09:42] <camelreef> I am running the latest gutsy
[09:42] <tgm4883> camelreef, you shouldn't need to su to it
[09:42] <camelreef> afaik
[09:42] <laga> "mythtv" should not be used anymore to run the mythtv session
[09:42] <laga> check mythbuntu-control-centre
[09:43] <tgm4883> camelreef, and while i agree that it's a workaround and not a fix, it's an upstream issue that we're waiting to see is fixed with the next release
[09:43] <tgm4883> if not we will find a way to fix it
[09:43] <tgm4883> but what is your other issue that we might be able to help you with
[09:43] <camelreef> installing the control center
[09:44] <camelreef> I'll explore this
[09:45] <laga> is gnome-display-properties session-specific or will it modify xorg.conf?
[09:45] <camelreef> but tell me, is an up-to-date Gutsy the same thing as an up-to-date mythbuntu ?
[09:45] <laga> ah, you are talking about the screensaver issue
[09:45] <tgm4883> laga, it's user specific, im not sure about session specific
[09:45] <laga> i'll keep quiet then :)
[09:45] <laga> camelreef: yes, if you install mythbuntu-control-centre :)
[09:46] <camelreef> done, then
[09:46] <camelreef> so, another problem, I don;t know if I should open a bug yet
[09:46] <tgm4883> what is it?
[09:47] <camelreef> freshly started fontend.   I have sound, though
[09:47] <camelreef> the reverse is the same
[09:48] <camelreef> fresh frontend, start watching livetv, good, go to mythvideo, green mass
[09:48] <tgm4883> camelreef, hardware?
[09:48] <camelreef> Intel motherboard, nvidia card
[09:48] <tgm4883> !ubotu
[09:48] <tgm4883> camelreef, i'm going to need a little more than that
[09:48] <camelreef> full details here: http://www.youplala.net/linux/home-theater-pc/
[09:49] <camelreef> tyhe project is documented :o)
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[09:49] <laga> poor bot
[09:49] <laga> (that joke never gets old for me)
[09:49] <therethinker> :P
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[09:50] <therethinker> Aww, he knows about women at least :P
[09:51] <camelreef> PNY nVidia GeForce 7100 GS - 128 MB - PCI Express 16x with DVI-HDMI adapter -  Hauppauge WinTV NOVA-T-500 dual DVB-T tuners PCI Digital TV card - Intel DG965WH motherboard - 1 GB RAM -  Core 2 Duo Proc - AMD64 distro
[09:52] <tgm4883> camelreef, looks like you know what your doing.  I can assume that you have the proprietary drivers installed and xvmc enabled?
[09:53] <camelreef> yup
[09:53] <superm1_> laga, how come things have to be called like this         subprocess.call(["/var/lib/dpkg/info/mythweb.postinst", "configure"] )
[09:53] <superm1_> rather than dpkg-reconfigure mythweb?
[09:53] <camelreef> It could be related to the new nvidia-glx blob that came the other day
[09:53] <superm1_> or better yet dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive mythweb
[09:53] <camelreef> if this is the case, I know the answer..... binary blob, you lose
[09:54] <laga> superm1_: i didn't want to deal with the frontend, that's it
[09:54] <tgm4883> eh, I dont' think thats the issue
[09:54] <superm1_> laga, ah if you pass the -fnoninteractive, it won't show you the frontend
[09:54] <tgm4883> camelreef, which driver did you install?
[09:54] <laga> superm1_: and it wont wait for input i hope
[09:54] <superm1_> laga, as long as you
[09:54] <camelreef> hmmm.... let me check the xvmc stuff
[09:54] <superm1_> preseed the data
[09:54] <superm1_> it wont matter
[09:55] <laga> superm1_: ok. that data should have sane defaults anyways
[09:55] <camelreef> tgm4883, nvidia-glx-new 100.14.19, latest stuff from nvidia
[09:55] <laga> superm1_: almost done with the fix...
[09:55] <superm1_> awesome :)
[09:56] <camelreef>  cat /etc/X11/XvMCConfig - libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1
[09:56] <laga> superm1_: do you IRC from class?
[09:56] <tgm4883> lets try something, i'd disable xvmc in mythtv and test that.  While your doing that, i'm going to look somehting up
[09:57] <camelreef> ok
[09:57] <camelreef> /usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1
[09:57] <superm1_> laga, shhhh :)
[09:57] <laga> superm1_: BTW, beat ya to it in ticket 145714
[09:57] <camelreef> /usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 -> libXvMCNVIDIA.so.100.14.19
[09:57] <tgm4883> also, is there a reason you chose nvidia-glx-new instead of nvidia-glx?
[09:57] <superm1_> laga, i think i see something that can be trouble on line 832 of core.py
[09:57] <camelreef> so XvMC is fine as far as X is concerned
[09:58] <superm1_> that's probably where the delay is for pressing revert
[09:58] <laga> superm1_: huh? 832 is a comment here :)
[09:58] <camelreef> mplayer.conf has vo=xvmc,xv,x11
[09:58] <superm1_> well the area where you try to get usernames and passwords and such
[09:58] <camelreef> tgm4883, because of the -new ?
[09:58] <superm1_> in query_system_state
[09:59] <superm1_> so i guess there isn't any way to speed that up
[09:59] <tgm4883> camelreef, you chose nvidia-glx-new because of the -new?
[09:59] <camelreef> tgm4883, would you recommend an older 9000 seris driver ?
[09:59] <laga> superm1_: moving out doesnt really help, we need to recaulcate those values
[09:59] <superm1_> whats bug 145714
[09:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145714 in mythtv "mythtv-frontend not detecting previous runs of mythsetup" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145714
[09:59] <superm1_> oh
[09:59] <superm1_> :)
[09:59] <laga> ;)
[09:59] <camelreef> well, latest driver and all, not an old card
[09:59] <tgm4883> not exactly
[10:00] <tgm4883> for instance
[10:00] <tgm4883> the 8600 would be a new card
[10:00] <tgm4883> as well as the 8800
[10:00] <tgm4883> the naming scheme they use kinda sucks
[10:00] <camelreef> sure, but a 7100 is not legacy yet
[10:00] <tgm4883> camelreef, right
[10:00] <tgm4883> not nvidia-glx-legacy
[10:00] <camelreef> so I guess I could use a nvidia-glx=9639
[10:01] <tgm4883> my nvidia onboard 6200 uses nvidia-glx, and my nvidia 7300GS uses nvidia-glx
[10:01] <tgm4883> both work great
[10:01] <camelreef> lemme check on the mythfrontend setup around xvmc, brb
[10:02] <superm1_> okay got to run again.
[10:02] <superm1_> cu guys
[10:05] <camelreef> tgm4883, back. Mythtv was on "standard". I put it on XvMC, same problem
[10:05] <camelreef> tgm4883, I'm going on nvidia-glx away from -new
[10:08] <camelreef> is the mythbuntu-control-center documented anywhere ?
[10:08] <tgm4883> only in superm1's head ;)
[10:08] <laga> i doubt it
[10:08] <laga> for what would you need documentation?
[10:09] <camelreef> know that it exists, for one ;o)
[10:09] <camelreef> is that a gtk app ? a mythtv module ?
[10:10] <laga> it's just checkboxes and stuff, so you don't need a lot of documentation. some items should be explained, but most should be intuitive.
[10:10] <laga> camelreef: python + glade, so yes, it's gTK.
[10:10] <laga> you can launch it from mythfrontend, but you can't yet use it with your remote
[10:10] <camelreef> and what can you do with it ?
[10:11] <laga> Description: Mythbuntu Configuration Application The Mythbuntu control centre is used to modify settings on a Mythbuntu system that are not necessarily MythTV specific.  These settings range from setting up system roles, to configuration of drivers, remotes, and services. . This application can also be used on a standard Ubuntu system to convert
[10:11] <laga>  it directly toa Mythbuntu box or to add Mythbuntu role(s)r in addition to the existing desktop role.
[10:12] <camelreef> ok
[10:12] <camelreef> so you just install this, and it will fetch the correct packages, setup GDM, etc.. ?
[10:12] <laga> dude
[10:12] <laga> try it.
[10:12] <camelreef> you don't need to know the package name
[10:13] <laga> yeah, you just click on stuff and then you hit apply and does it all automagically for you
[10:13] <laga> it's a really cool app, imho :)
[10:13] <camelreef> niiiiiicew
[10:14] <camelreef> this will allow you to trash 95% of the wiki docs, then
[10:14] <laga> i#m currently adding support for mythweb authntication so you set your mythweb password in the control centre
[10:14] <laga> heh, not quite ;)
[10:17] <tgm4883> most of the wiki docs are trashed by mythbuntu
[10:17] <laga> ah, those docs
[10:17] <laga> yup
[10:17] <laga> i especially like LIRC support in gutsy
[10:17] <laga> it kicks ass.
[10:17] <tgm4883> it's going to be more like this I think https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy
[10:20] <camelreef> ok, nvidia-glx in place
[10:20] <camelreef> testing, brb
[10:21] <bendailey> tgm4883: that wiki page is great
[10:27] <bradley_> Anyone out there?
[10:27] <laga> no
[10:27] <bradley_> ha
[10:28] <therethinker> I'm not here either
[10:28] <bradley_> raise your hand if your not here
[10:28] <therethinker> *raises your hand*
[10:29] <bradley_> sorry, new to IRC normally go to forums
[10:29] <therethinker> 's fine
[10:29] <bradley_> anyone install from alternate kubuntu?  raid and such?
[10:29] <tgm4883> !ask
[10:29] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:30] <tgm4883> do you have kubuntu gutsy installed?
[10:30] <bradley_> yeah
[10:30] <tgm4883> did you install the control-centre?
[10:30] <tgm4883> what exactly is the problem?
[10:31] <bradley_> video card and HD, has anyone used the nvidia 8500gt and got it working with HD?
[10:31] <bradley_> driver kills the output then have to reset xorg.conf
[10:31] <tgm4883> which driver?
[10:31] <bradley_> only working with vga monitor right now
[10:32] <bradley_> 100. something
[10:32] <bradley_> nvidia-glx new
[10:33] <bradley_> I did notice the new restricted driver manager, do I have to go through that now instead of adept (favorite package manager here):
[10:35] <therethinker> bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-control-centre
[10:35] <therethinker2> sorry, thanks
[10:36] <tgm4883> ^^ thats interesting
[10:36] <therethinker2> hopefully thats not a closely secret :P
[10:36] <tgm4883> bradley_, you don't have to use that
[10:36] <tgm4883> therethinker2, not anymore
[10:37] <therethinker> Yay! I contributed to the downfall of Linux :D... wait that's not good
[10:37] <bradley_> yeah, no problem I was just seeing if anyone else out there has the same problem
[10:37] <bradley_> thanx for the help
[10:37] <bradley_> and your time
[10:38] <tgm4883> next you're going to tell us who killed kennedy and where the missing dna is in the OJ case
[10:38] <bradley_> never had a serious problem with nvidia drivers before
[10:38] <tgm4883> bradley_, i'd check in #ubuntu+1
[10:38] <foxbuntu_> tgm4883, I think this channel has become a damn radio station
[10:38] <tgm4883> ?
[10:39] <foxbuntu_> random callers with strange questions
[10:39] <tgm4883> ah
[10:39] <therethinker> haha
[10:39] <laga> yup
[10:39] <tgm4883> well thats good though
[10:39] <laga> again, i vote for a separate dev channel
[10:39] <tgm4883> and not necessarly random
[10:39] <laga> maybe #mythbuntu-pytrhon-bitching for me as well
[10:39] <foxbuntu_> laga I am for it too
[10:39] <therethinker> OH! Me too!
[10:39] <therethinker> except I'd call it #mythbuntu-python-bitching
[10:39] <tgm4883> #mythbuntu-laga
[10:40] <foxbuntu_> although I think we should not publish the dev channel
[10:40] <laga> therethinker: bah ;)
[10:40] <therethinker> Now THAT would be a radio station
[10:40] <foxbuntu_> so only us devs can get to it
[10:40] <tgm4883> nah
[10:40] <tgm4883> then we'd have to get stuff done :)
[10:40] <therethinker> What's the mythtv giant metapackage, mythtv, or mythbuntu?
[10:40] <foxbuntu_> lol
[10:40] <laga> i am getting stuff done
[10:40] <laga> :P
[10:40] <therethinker> I'm getting stuff doen that will let me get stuff done
[10:40] <foxbuntu_> tgm4883, I am always gettin stuff done
[10:41] <laga> heh
[10:41] <therethinker> so, what's the mythtv metapackage?
[10:41] <tgm4883> free mythbuntu download to caller number 10
[10:41] <tgm4883> therethinker, which one?
[10:41] <foxbuntu_> hell right now I am building a Windows Application server with an App I know nothing about
[10:41] <laga> therethinker: install the control centre and go from there
[10:41] <therethinker> I installed it
[10:41] <therethinker> but I get an error on run
[10:42] <therethinker2> File "/usr/share/mythbuntu-control-centre/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre", line 26, in <module>
[10:42] <therethinker2>     from MythbuntuControlCentre.core import ControlCentre
[10:42] <therethinker2>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MythbuntuControlCentre/core.py", line 39, in <module>
[10:42] <therethinker2>     from MythbuntuControlCentre.changer import Applicator
[10:42] <therethinker2>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MythbuntuControlCentre/changer.py", line 48, in <module>
[10:42] <therethinker2>     from MythbuntuLircGenerator.mythtvhandler import MythTVHandler
[10:42] <therethinker2> ImportError: No module named MythbuntuLircGenerator.mythtvhandler
[10:42] <therethinker2> whoops
[10:42] <tgm4883> !pastebin
[10:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:42] <therethinker2> sorry, I should have used pastebin :P
[10:42] <laga> therethinker: you need to get the dependencies.
[10:42] <laga> therethinker: did you build from source?=
[10:42] <therethinker2> Yeah
[10:42] <therethinker2> Whats the dependancies, Mythbuntu?
[10:42] <laga> therethinker: you need to install the deps then, huh? :) try lirc and mythbuntu-lirc-generator for a start
[10:43] <therethinker2> Ah, thanks
[10:43] <laga> therethinker: you should have created a package. that's how i do my testing
[10:43] <therethinker> Ah, sorry
[10:43] <tgm4883> mmmm, egg rolls
[10:43] <laga> therethinker: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot is what i use
[10:43] <therethinker> Ooh, can I have some?
[10:44] <laga> use dpkg -i to install
[10:44] <tgm4883> no.  No egg roll for you
[10:44] <therethinker> thanks
[10:44] <tgm4883> i use a script
[10:44] <tgm4883> ./hack_laga
[10:44] <tgm4883> wait, thats the wrong one
[10:44] <therethinker2> :P
[10:46] <therethinker2> *makes mental note to not mess with laga
[10:46] <camelreef> grumbl
[10:47] <therethinker2> I'm not an IRC... guy... I've forgotten the thing to make the action...
[10:47] <therethinker2> nevermind
[10:47] <laga> yup
[10:47] <camelreef> I still have a 100.14.19 kernel module, not a 9639 for nvidia
[10:47] <tgm4883> :(
[10:47] <tgm4883> but im a gold member
[10:47] <camelreef> with a 9639 X drive....
[10:48] <foxbuntu_> tgm4883, bronze that is
[10:48] <tgm4883> ah
[10:48] <foxbuntu_> but your donation went towards hosting anyhow
[10:48] <laga> gold member? where?
[10:49] <foxbuntu_> in the Foxbuntu Foundation
[10:49] <laga> therethinker: btw, bzr up the control centre
[10:49] <foxbuntu_> tgm4883, why would you insult me by trying to call laga me?
[10:49] <foxbuntu_> that was so rude
[10:49] <foxbuntu_> :P
[10:50] <therethinker2> me? why?
[10:50] <laga> therethinker: because i just committed something
[10:50] <therethinker2> oh
[10:51] <therethinker> Right, of course :P
[10:58] <laga> therethinker: hey, you how do i say "if a but not b then do" in python?
[10:58] <laga> if a <???> b:
[10:58] <laga>   do
[10:58] <therethinker> Yeah
[10:58] <laga> oh
[10:58] <therethinker> a and not b
[10:58] <laga> so, my pseudo code would work.
[10:58] <laga> cool :)
[10:58] <therethinker> but = and not :P
[10:58] <laga> right
[10:59] <camelreef> hmmm
[10:59] <therethinker> I studied logic, although I doubt that it will ever come in handy to the extent I learned :P
[10:59] <therethinker> (That had nothing to do with that, just... random caller)
[10:59] <laga> ah, radio station mode :)
[10:59] <camelreef> modprobe nvidia and modprobe nvidia-new both load 100.14.19
[11:00] <laga> camelreef: reboot? ;)
[11:00] <camelreef> but an insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko gives me 9639
[11:00] <laga> yeah
[11:00] <laga> ubuntu does some magic
[11:01] <laga> check /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video
[11:01] <laga> it does weird things occasionally *sigh*
[11:02] <therethinker2> Argh, brain fart. How do you remove something using setup.py? Its not remove or uninstall
[11:02] <camelreef> install nvidia /sbin/lrm-video nvidia $CMDLINE_OPTS
[11:02] <camelreef> install nvidia_legacy /sbin/lrm-video nvidia_legacy $CMDLINE_OPTS
[11:02] <camelreef> install nvidia_new /sbin/lrm-video nvidia_new $CMDLINE_OPTS
[11:02] <laga> therethinker: no clue :/
[11:02] <therethinker2> ah well, nevermind
[11:02] <camelreef> laga, any clue ?
[11:03] <laga> camelreef: no.. maybe you need to investigate yourself. or bug the guys who came up with that stuff
[11:03] <therethinker2> Okay, for the first time ever, I launched mythbuntu-command-centre, and I have to say, I'm very impressed with what you guys have done.
[11:04] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, forgot to join the channel, was anyone talking to me when I was gone?
[11:04] <therethinker2> Not much
[11:04] <therethinker2> well, camelreef has a problem, otherwise no
[11:05] <camelreef> tgm4883_laptop, my kernel desperately wants to load 100.14.19 instead of 9639 module for nvidia
[11:05] <camelreef> other than no X, I'm fine ;o)
[11:05] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: no, but about you. nasty things.
[11:05] <laga> camelreef: reboot?
[11:05] <camelreef> did it
[11:06] <laga> camelreef: is nvidia-glx-new still on your system or did you remove it?
[11:06] <camelreef> modprobe nvidia and modprobe nvidia-new both load 100.14.19
[11:06] <camelreef> nvidia-glx-new is purged
[11:06] <tgm4883_laptop> camelreef, did you remove the nvidia kernel module?
[11:06] <camelreef> but an insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko gives me 9639
[11:06] <laga> camelreef: try to reinstall nvidia-glx. this smells like a bug so you should definitely report it!
[11:06] <foxbuntu_> tgm4883_laptop, I was trashing you
[11:06] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[11:07] <camelreef> tgm4883_laptop, I have the lrm package, is there a specific package juste for the module ?
[11:08] <camelreef> I've reinstall all kernel packages, nvidia-glx (this one after a previous purge, just in case)
[11:08] <laga> superm1: fixes are committed.
[11:08] <laga> superm1: i hope that's enough now
[11:08] <laga> therethinker: bzr up
[11:09] <camelreef> launchpad bug search is screwed up
[11:09] <camelreef> I cannot make it work
[11:09] <laga> how many bugs have i fixed today? n
[11:09] <laga> how many bugs have i introduced today?
[11:09] <laga> n+1
[11:09] <laga> ..
[11:09] <tgm4883_laptop> no, it should be nvidia-kernel-common
[11:10] <therethinker> bzr up again?
[11:10] <camelreef> got it re-installed too
[11:10] <therethinker> Oh, I'll start on fixing bugs
[11:11] <therethinker2> Oh, and I understand where that script could come in handy
[11:12] <camelreef> purging all lrm and nvidia stuff
[11:12] <camelreef> reboot, and get it back in there
[11:12] <camelreef> yeah
[11:13] <camelreef> btw, thanks for the mythfrontend logs in the right place
[11:13] <therethinker2> Does anyone want to be save me time (and let me work on bugs so you don't have to)  and share their script with me?
[11:14] <tgm4883_laptop> what script
[11:14] <therethinker2> you mentioned one to do the building and stuff... you made the joke ./hack_laga..?
[11:15] <tgm4883_laptop> for building packages?
[11:15] <therethinker2> or whatever you meant
[11:15] <therethinker2> I assumed you made it just for this....
[11:15] <tgm4883_laptop> are you trying to build packages or build an ISO?
[11:16] <therethinker2> the Mcc package
[11:16] <laga> camelreef: do you get mythfrontend logs in /var/log/mythtv now?
[11:16] <laga> therethinker: ok
[11:16] <therethinker2> I can do it, btu I thought you said you made a script to automate it
[11:16] <tgm4883_laptop> I'd build it the same way laga builds it
[11:16] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, just a joke
[11:16] <therethinker2> which is...?
[11:16] <camelreef> laga, yes, cool, many thanks
[11:16] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, you have that command handy?
[11:16] <laga> therethinker: so, if you bzr up'ed to rev 67 (i pushed a new rev a few minutes ago), you just run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot.you prolly have to install fakeroot
[11:16] <laga> camelreef: glad you like it.
[11:17] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[11:17] <therethinker2> yeah, thats what I did, I installed fakeroot
[11:17] <tgm4883_laptop> !packaging
[11:17] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[11:17] <tgm4883_laptop> these are handy
[11:17] <camelreef> oh crap, of course, by removing all those packages, I lost the network
[11:17] <tgm4883_laptop> for the love of god, why will neither of my optical drives boot the CD?
[11:17] <therethinker2> Yeah, I just though you had something to download the branch, and package it
[11:17] <camelreef> got to reinstall physically on the box...
[11:18] <tgm4883_laptop> camelreef, are you installing gutsy, mythbuntu, or what?
[11:25] <therethinker2> What should I do, now that I'm all ready? None of the bugs are mcc related
[11:25] <laga> therethinker2: play around with mcc :) how do you like it?
[11:26] <therethinker2> Really good
[11:26] <therethinker2> Wait, bad grammer has I
[11:26] <camelreef> tgm4883_laptop, nothing like a good purge, and a reinstall, 9639 loaded properly and green mass issue gone
[11:26] <laga> therethinker2: cool. so, the problem is that the code is incredibly messy
[11:26] <tgm4883_laptop> :)
[11:26] <tgm4883_laptop> camelreef, thats good news
[11:26] <camelreef> tgm4883_laptop, yup
[11:26] <therethinker2> Okay... so neaten it up?
[11:27] <camelreef> got to get my remote control back, though, nothing like a linux-dvb trunk recompile :o)
[11:27] <laga> therethinker2: that'd be cool. it's kind of an annoying task, but it'll make things much easier :)
[11:27] <camelreef> v4l-dvb
[11:27] <laga> therethinker2: want a quick overview or do you think you can find your way around? have you already worked with glade?
[11:27] <therethinker2> laga: I've never worked with glade before
[11:28] <foxbuntu_> I think I missed the Memo when I became a DBA for this place
[11:28] <camelreef> bless multiple cores and make -j4
[11:28] <therethinker2> but once I heard about glade, I started reading up/playing with it
[11:29] <laga> therethinker2: ok.
[11:29] <laga> therethinker2: so.
[11:29] <camelreef> I should recompile v4l-dvb on my Dell, dual Xeon 5300 (quads) with a -j16 :o)
[11:30] <camelreef> I will now try mcc
[11:30] <laga> therethinker2: most of the interesting stuff lives in the MythbuntuControlCentre/ subdir. here we have *glade files, which define our UI
[11:30] <therethinker2> laga: if you're typing out therethinker2, you don't have to, I'll still follow. or just tr: if it needs to be said
[11:31] <therethinker2> laga: yep. I'm poking around in core.py right now
[11:31] <camelreef> if anybody has a clue on smooth 1080p on nvidia with VC1 files, I'm ready for the bat
[11:31] <laga> therethinker2: we have debconftalk.py which i hacked up the other day to talk to debconf, we have changer.py which applies changes that were made in the UI and we have core.py which shows the GUI, gathers the config and tells changer.py what to do
[11:31] <camelreef> tgm4883_laptop, thanks for the help
[11:32] <camelreef> same to laga
[11:32] <tgm4883_laptop> np
[11:32] <laga> np
[11:32] <camelreef> oh, and is it normal to have the backend segfault once in a while ?
[11:32] <therethinker2> laga: okay
[11:33] <camelreef> I do get those, but I'm not ready to point fingers yet, it may be my DVB-T board, the drier is not completely there yet
[11:34] <laga> therethinker2: in core.py, you will find functions like "toggle_remotecontrol" and "on_mythweb_password_checkbutton_toggled". those are called by glade when the corresponding button in the UI is toggled
[11:34] <therethinker2> ah, okay
[11:34] <laga> therethinker2: you can modify that stuff in glade, when you select a widget and go to "signals"
[11:35] <therethinker2> ah, see that
[11:36] <laga> therethinker2: when m-c-c starts, one of the first things it does is to set everything to sane defaults, eg the state of checkboxes, in set_gui_defaults(). after that, it tries to determine how the system is configured in query_system_state().
[11:36] <therethinker2> okay
[11:37] <therethinker2> oh, slightly unrelated-- should I join the launchpad group?
[11:39] <laga> therethinker2: the stuff it finds in query_system_state is stored with self.config.set("mythbuntu","myoption","myvalue"). if the user hits the "apply button", find_case_for_change() tries to figure out what's changed and will then tell changer.py what to do.
[11:39] <laga> quick example:
[11:39] <laga> old_mythwebauthenable=self.config.get("mythbuntu","mythweb_auth_activated") new_mythwebauthenable=self.mythweb_password_checkbutton.get_active()
[11:39] <laga> if old_mythwebauthenable != new_mythwebauthenable:
[11:39] <laga> to_reconfigure["mythweb_auth_activated"] =new_mythwebauthenable
[11:39] <laga> hum
[11:39] <laga> so, that' s the big picture i guess.
[11:40] <laga> therethinker2: what launchpad group? mythbuntu? sure
[11:40] <frink_> yo!
[11:40] <therethinker2> hmm... wow, that seems relitively easy :P
[11:41] <therethinker2> Oh, mythbuntu is restricted
[11:41] <laga> just apply, superm1 will add a later
[11:41] <laga> frink_: welcome, o master of the big pipes
[11:41] <laga> therethinker2: i#ll switch to perl mode now. if you need to know something, ask superm1 or me
[11:41] <frink_> heh
[11:41] <therethinker2> Okay :P
[11:41] <frink_> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:41] <frink_> oops
[11:42] <therethinker2> Argh, I think its restricted in a way that I can't apply... you have to add me manually
[11:44] <laga> therethinker2: ok, superm1 can do that later
[11:46] <camelreef> niiiiice
[11:46] <camelreef> mcc is nice
[11:46] <laga> yep
[11:47] <laga> it's teh win.
[11:47] <camelreef> once I got my mythbuntu user a password and into the admin group
[11:47] <camelreef> got rig of gnome-screensaver too :o)
[11:47] <camelreef> rig-rid
[11:47] <laga> therethinker2: for example, there's a duplicated list of plugins which could unified etc
[11:48] <camelreef> so, in theory, I can use mcc to transform my normal user into a auto-login auto-start front-end ?
[11:48] <laga> yes
[11:48] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[11:48] <camelreef> and then get rid of the mythtv user
[11:48] <laga> or your ubuntu box into a mythbuntu box etc
[11:48] <laga> no
[11:48] <tgm4883_laptop> theres even a semi functional guide for doing that
[11:48] <laga> dont ever delete "mythtv", it's used by the backend
[11:49] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: it's not overly hard...
[11:49] <camelreef> once I have moved my few cconfig files from /home/mythtv, like remote stuff
[11:49] <therethinker> I'm going to go grab some grub
[11:49] <tgm4883_laptop> i know
[11:49] <tgm4883_laptop> but there has to be a guide
[11:49] <laga> camelreef: dont ever delete "mythtv", it's used by the backend
[11:49] <camelreef> ah, ok, no delete then, so I might as well leave ot at the frontend user, then
[11:49] <camelreef> ot at = it as
[11:50] <laga> camelreef: na, just switch to a different user
[11:50] <camelreef> any reason for this switch ?
[11:51] <camelreef> hmmm, strong argument! ;o)
[11:52] <camelreef> now, the remote control stuff in mcc looks good
[11:52] <laga> camelreef: yes, you dont have sudo privileges
[11:52] <laga> camelreef: yup
[11:52] <camelreef> I do, it is my user :)
[11:52] <laga> ah, right.
[11:53] <camelreef> and now mythtv has it
[11:53] <camelreef> and if you want to use mcc, you need the user in the sudoers
[11:53] <camelreef> so, my remote is not in the list, what can I give you to add it ?
[11:54] <camelreef> I have already worked quite bit on this: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-T-500
[11:54] <camelreef> is the info in lircd.conf sufficient ?
[11:55] <laga> it just needs to be a regular lircd.conf
[11:55] <laga> camelreef: you need to file a bug against lirc in ubuntu gutsy
[11:55] <camelreef> what do you mean ? regular as in the package ?
[11:55] <laga> camelreef: attach your config file
[11:55] <camelreef> ok
[11:56] <laga> "regular" as in "works with lircd"
[11:56] <camelreef> it does
[11:56] <laga> great
[11:56] <camelreef> using it right now
[11:56] <laga> in that bug report, you need to describe exactly for what receiver/remote the conf file is. superm1 will add it then
[11:57] <camelreef> OK
[11:57] <brunner> hi all
[11:57] <laga> hi brunner
[11:57] <laga> how may tgm4883_laptop help you today?
[11:57] <brunner> I just installed Mythbuntu for the first time
[11:57] <tgm4883_laptop> nice laga
[11:57] <tgm4883_laptop> !slap laga
[11:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about slap laga - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:58] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[11:58] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: scnr
[11:58] <brunner> it looks really nice, but for whatever reason, my box can't access my MPEG-2 encoder cards
[11:58] <tgm4883_laptop> what cards?
[11:59] <tgm4883_laptop> under bugs?
[11:59] <laga> heh
[11:59] <brunner> Hauppauge PVR-250's, if I remember correctly
[12:00] <brunner> the 350's were the ones with MPEG-2 decoders, right?
[12:00] <brunner> that's not what I have
[12:00] <camelreef> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+package/lirc - bugs is greyed
[12:00] <tgm4883_laptop> camelreef,   https://bugs.launchpad.net/lirc/
[12:00] <camelreef> tgm4883_laptop, tvm
[12:01] <tgm4883_laptop> brunner, do they show up in lspci?
[12:01] <brunner> I was trying to SSH into my box to see, but auth fails as the RSA keys no longer match (since it's a new install)
[12:01] <brunner> give me one second
[12:02] <tgm4883_laptop> camelreef, you can't file a bug against a binary package, you have to file it against the project
[12:02] <tgm4883_laptop> brunner, that would be in .ssh
[12:02] <camelreef> tgm4883_laptop, can;t open a bug for upstream...
[12:03] <tgm4883_laptop> in the link I gave you?
[12:03] <brunner> yeah, I just wiped out my known_keys and used touch
[12:03] <camelreef> damn, I'm not a newbie, but I can;t wrap my head around launchpad
[12:03] <camelreef> tgm4883_laptop, yeah, your link
[12:03] <laga> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc
[12:03] <tgm4883_laptop> camelreef, in the link I gave you here https://bugs.launchpad.net/lirc/?
[12:03] <laga> camelreef: ^^ you need to file it there. but it's broken for me :/
[12:03] <brunner> alright, they seem to show up like this:
[12:03] <brunner> 04:01.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)
[12:03] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: that's upstream, the ubuntu package is in .net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/
[12:04] <brunner> and 04:02.0
[12:04] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc
[12:04] <tgm4883_laptop> your link doesn't work :)
[12:04] <camelreef> laga, broken for me too
[12:04] <laga> no shit.
[12:04] <laga> :)
[12:04] <laga> heh
[12:04] <camelreef> tgm4883_laptop, yes, this link
[12:04] <laga> yeah, i'm in the launchpad beta testers team
[12:04] <tgm4883_laptop> me too
[12:04] <tgm4883_laptop> yet it was still broken for me
[12:04] <laga> alyways wondered if they redirect normal people to their normal servers
[12:04] <tgm4883_laptop> wait I dont think im logged in
[12:05] <brunner> is anyone running the Hauppauge PVR-250's?
[12:05] <therethinker> I had a 150...
[12:05] <camelreef> got it: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc
[12:05] <brunner> aside from this, I really dig everything I've seen about Mythbuntu
[12:05] <tgm4883_laptop> brunner, do they work outside of mythtv
[12:06] <brunner> good question
[12:06] <brunner> uhm, how do I prevent my frontend from respawning when I exit back to X?
[12:07] <laga> it should log out?
[12:07] <tgm4883_laptop> brunner, you should be able to find out if it works though ssh
[12:08] <brunner> tgm4883_laptop: I should, but I don't remember the mplayer parameters to use aaout... and I don't even know if I have aa
[12:09] <brunner> tgm4883_laptop: feel free to contribute a suggestion as to the easiest or best way to test it via ssh
[12:09] <tgm4883_laptop> err something like
[12:10] <laga> brunner: does it show up in dmesg?
[12:10] <tgm4883_laptop> cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg
[12:10] <frink_> is it safe to do an apt-get update/apt-get upgrade?
[12:11] <tgm4883_laptop> frink_, why wouldn't it?
[12:11] <frink_> where everythign breaks
[12:12] <camelreef> !bug 145847
[12:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145847 in lirc "Remote codes for Hauppauge Nova-T-500 dual tuner DVB-T PCI card" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145847
[12:12] <brunner> laga: I'm not sure how it would appear
[12:12] <camelreef> done :o)
[12:12] <frink_> camelreef: What was the bug?
[12:12] <laga> brunner: you can't miss it. [12:13] <camelreef> frink_,  not really a bug, but additional support
[12:13] <laga> ftrion gutsy, you should use dist-upgrade
[12:13] <brunner> hmm, no, it doesn't show up
[12:13] <brunner> and /dev/video0 doesn't exist
[12:13] <brunner> although it did when I was doing the initial setup on the box
[12:13] <brunner> during the install, that is
[12:14] <frink_> camelreef: Ah ok, yeah, I downloaded the remote codes for mine.. Is ne v4l-dvb included yet (so the Nova-t 500 remote receiver is supported) ?
[12:14] <brunner> strange.
[12:14] <camelreef> frink_, nothing to do with your issue
[12:14] <frink_> camelreef: K
[12:15] <brunner> hmm
[12:15] <camelreef> nova-t-500 still has some firmware issues, but the remote stuff is good
[12:15] <brunner> I wonder what would prevent ubuntu from detecting my cards
[12:16] <laga> camelreef: just commented on your bug - don't worry ;)
[12:16] <brunner> maybe I should boot from the live cd
[12:16] <camelreef> once the nova-t-500 support is 100%, it will be a killer card in Europe, like the PVRs are in the US
[12:16] <laga> camelreef: i dont get dvb-t here yet
[12:16] <tgm4883_laptop> sounds like something wrong with ivtv
[12:16] <camelreef> laga, where are you ?
[12:17] <laga> camelreef: germany, close to the french border. we'll get it by the end of the year.
[12:17] <brunner> working fine in knoppmyth for years
[12:17] <brunner> worked*
[12:17] <camelreef> laga, switchover is soon :o)
[12:17] <camelreef> Berlin did it already, no ?
[12:17] <laga> dunno
[12:17] <laga> i think so
[12:18] <camelreef> lives
[12:18] <laga> brunner: ivtv in gutsy is supposed to work. does ivtv show up in "lsmod"?
[12:18] <brunner> laga: no
[12:18] <camelreef> thanks all for the help and for mythbuntu
[12:19] <camelreef> keep it up
[12:19] <laga> night camelreef
[12:19] <camelreef> ttyl
[12:19] <brunner> root@mythbox:~# modprobe ivtv
[12:19] <brunner> FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-chw-13/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[12:19] <laga> glade you like it
[12:19] <laga> brunner: um
[12:19] <tgm4883_laptop> brunner, did you md5sum the iso and burn the cd slow and test the cd before installation?
[12:19] <laga> brunner: that's not a mythbuntu kernel.
[12:19] <laga> you booted the wrong kernel.
[12:19] <tgm4883_laptop> heh
[12:19] <brunner> woah
[12:19] <laga> that's a knoppmyth kernel, IMHO
[12:19] <brunner> how'd I manage that?
[12:19] <tgm4883_laptop> yea he did
[12:19] <laga> check uname -a
[12:20] <tgm4883_laptop> that would explain a lot
[12:20] <brunner> Linux mythbox 2.6.18-chw-13 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Mar 6 19:57:00 PST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:20] <tgm4883_laptop> Linux hermes 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 20:03:18 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:20] <brunner> I swear I installed from the mythbuntu CD
[12:20] <brunner> oh shot
[12:20] <brunner> shoot*
[12:20] <brunner> I know what it was
[12:20] <brunner> I installed using TV-out
[12:21] <brunner> because I was too lazy to hook up a monitor
[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #145847 in lirc (main) "Remote codes for Hauppauge Nova-T-500 dual tuner DVB-T PCI card" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145847
[12:21] <brunner> so I had to boot using the graphics-safe option or whatever it was on the livecd
[12:21] <brunner> so I suppose it installed that kernel instead of the mythbuntu kernel?
[12:21] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[12:21] <brunner> no?
[12:22] <tgm4883_laptop> brunner, it would install a 2.6.22 kernel
[12:22] <brunner> I can't imagine how else I managed to end up with this kernel
[12:22] <tgm4883_laptop> your using a way old kernel
[12:22] <tgm4883_laptop> 2.6.18
[12:22] <brunner> bizarre
[12:22] <tgm4883_laptop> if I were you, i'd reboot and look in grub to see if you have other kernels listed
[12:22] <tgm4883_laptop> and boot a 2.6.22 one if you have it
[12:23] <brunner> does the mythbuntu CD not format before it installs?
[12:24] <tgm4883> woohoo for gutsy
[12:24] <tgm4883> bradley_, something is way wrong with your setup, i would check grub.  You may have selected something very strange.
[12:24] <tgm4883> err
[12:24] <tgm4883> brunner, ^^^^
[12:24] <tgm4883> i'd be interested in how to reproduce it
[12:25] <laga> well
[12:25] <laga> when i installed gutsy and had my usb stick eith a linux install on it plugged it
[12:25] <laga> it recognized those kernels, too
[12:25] <laga> but they were put under the gutsy kernels
[12:25] <brunner> I suppose I should have formatted before I did the install.. I really can't imagine where this kernel came from, unless it's somehow leftover from knoppmyth
[12:26] <brunner> and I thought my partitions would be formatted anyhow
[12:26] <brunner> I didn't do any customized partitioning
[12:26] <brunner> I just stuck to defaults
[12:27] <laga> odd.
[12:27] <tgm4883> it's leftover from knoppmyth
[12:28] <tgm4883> my best guess
[12:28] <tgm4883> is
[12:28] <tgm4883> that the default partitioner used a guided setup of a large area of free space rather than the entire disk
[12:28] <superm1> laga i'm back
[12:29] <brunner> oooh
[12:29] <brunner> hmm
[12:29] <laga> superm1: hello darling o_O
[12:29] <brunner> oh, it's using LILO, not GRUB
[12:29] <brunner> LoL
[12:29] <brunner> this sure as hell isn't right
[12:29] <brunner> alright, I'm gonna wipe my disks and try again
[12:29] <brunner> this is a really strange mix of knoppix and mythbuntu
[12:30] <laga> knoppbuntu
[12:30] <laga> \o/
[12:30] <superm1> oh god.
[12:30] <superm1> laga, you have another remote config to upload?
[12:30] <superm1> go ahead and file a bug, i'll wait to do another lirc set until you get it up
[12:30] <laga> superm1: ok
[12:31] <laga> can take 1-2 days, though
[12:31] <superm1> that's fine
[12:31] <superm1> i'm holding off on lirc until next week at least
[12:31] <superm1> focus right now is m-c-c and ubiquity :)
[12:31] <laga> k
[12:31] <laga> lirc#s stable enough i suppose
[12:31] <superm1> speaking of which, you sort out the m-c-c mythweb stuff?
[12:33] <laga> yes
[12:33] <laga> i hope so at least.
[12:33] <superm1> okay i'll pull and try it again
[12:34] <superm1> well lets wait and see if it works before i agree to that :)
[12:36] <superm1> i saw a bunch of signal stuff that was added, should mythweb auth be showing up as avail right after i check the mythweb box?
[12:36] <superm1> or after applying
[12:36] <laga> after applying
[12:36] <superm1> k
[12:36] <laga> that's the trick
[12:36] <laga> hum
[12:37] <laga> actually, it should be OK if it's available right before install..
[12:37] <laga> but i don't really care.
[12:37] <superm1> you own the mythweb stuff your call
[12:37] <laga> it could be extended so we register these questions
[12:37] <laga> i own?
[12:37] <superm1> well you coded all that part :)
[12:38] <laga> oh
[12:38] <superm1> um debconf still crashed on it
[12:38] <laga> sorry, english parsing is a bit broken tonight
[12:38] <superm1> exact same thing
[12:38] <laga> oh :/
[12:38] <laga> hum
[12:38] <superm1> interrupted system call
[12:38] <laga> can't be the exact same thing
[12:38] <laga> can you pastebin it again?
[12:38] <superm1> sure
[12:39] <superm1> http://pastebin.ca/717864
[12:39] <laga> if we don't preseed mythweb, it might open a security hole
[12:39] <laga> bla
[12:40] <laga> i couldn't reproduce that problem here.. wait, so mythweb was purged, right?
[12:40] <superm1> yeah
[12:40] <superm1> maybe a stale htaccess file from before didn't get pulled out?
[12:40] <superm1> let me purge again and hunt for them
[12:40] <laga> what exactly did you do to trigger that?
[12:41] <superm1> installed mythweb, and then hit enable mythweb auth
[12:41] <superm1> and then put in test/test
[12:41] <superm1> for u/p
[12:41] <frink_> hey superm1 - sorry the box was unreachable today.. a switch crashed. - it's just been replaced.
[12:41] <superm1> oddly enough it remembered 'test'
[12:41] <superm1> frink_, no biggie, i'm only using it right now for getting an iso to someone for debugging
[12:41] <superm1> its going live as a mirror once the next image is ready
[12:41] <laga> superm1: yeah, it pulls the stuff out of debconf.
[12:41] <superm1> but if i purged
[12:41] <superm1> it shouldnt know that
[12:42] <laga> did you restart mcc in between?
[12:42] <superm1> yeah
[12:42] <laga> uh
[12:42] <superm1> okay let me try once more
[12:42] <laga> yes, please.
[12:43] <superm1> it still copied in 'test'
[12:43] <superm1> for username
[12:43] <laga> after purging mythweb
[12:43] <superm1> yeah
[12:43] <superm1> but this time it appears to have not crashed.
[12:43] <laga> can you run echo "get mythweb/username" | debconf-communicate ?
[12:43] <superm1> hmpfh
[12:45] <superm1> okay well it appears to not be crashing
[12:45] <superm1> but there is still an issue
[12:45] <superm1> it always thinks that i'm enabling/disabling mythweb auth now
[12:45] <superm1> when its checked
[12:45] <laga> when you apply?
[12:45] <superm1> yeah
[12:45] <superm1> even if i dont check 'set password for mythweb'
[12:46] <laga> are you sure you're running rev76?
[12:46] <Lunar_Lamp_> Is there any reason why I shouldn't mount a USB drive as /var/lib/mythtv - i.e. is a usb drive fast enough to keep up with recording etc?
[12:46] <laga> err
[12:46] <superm1> 76??
[12:46] <laga> rev67
[12:46] <laga> sorry.
[12:46] <laga> did you *install* the deb? i keep forgetting to do that :)
[12:46] <frink_> superm1: OK.
[12:47] <superm1> laga, yeah i installed it twice
[12:47] <superm1> the last branch change in my changelog is 'Account for the problem where mythweb auth would be configured after mythweb was removed.'
[12:47] <superm1> which should be at 67
[12:47] <laga> yes, that's correct.
[12:47] <superm1> i just got it to crash on revert too
[12:47] <superm1> with that same type of crash
[12:47] <laga> let me purge mythweb here
[12:47] <superm1>    response = debconf_read.readlines()[0] .partition(' ')
[12:47] <superm1> IOError: [Errno 4]  Interrupted system call
[12:48] <superm1> that thing again
[12:48] <laga> well, it indicates a problem with debconf-communicate i'd say.
[12:48] <laga> AFAIK, the only sys call we're doing is popen with debconf-communicate, right?
[12:48] <superm1> how are you doing that lets see.
[12:49] <superm1> there are other ways to pass arguments to popen
[12:49] <superm1> and different popens you can use too
[12:49] <superm1> i dont know which is preferable or why though
[12:49] <laga> i know :)
[12:50] <laga> the different opens seem to different wether stdout, stderr or whatever is exported
[12:50] <superm1> yeah i had to use one for passing things among pipes
[12:50] <laga> i just purged mythweb and stuff is looking sane
[12:50] <laga> so
[12:50] <laga> the culprit is with debconftalk.py
[12:50] <therethinker> Oh superm1: I need to be added to mythbuntu
[12:51] <brunner> so I shouldn't use the guided partitioner when I install and I should be okay, right?
[12:51] <superm1> therethinker, whats your LP id?
[12:51] <laga> things get in an incosistent state in mcc on your box somehow and i'm gonna get another beer
[12:51] <therethinker> therethinker
[12:51] <superm1> k
[12:51] <therethinker> superm1: thanks, I just wanted to make sure I don't forget
[12:52] <therethinker> superm1: Thanks!
[12:52] <superm1> no prob
[12:53] <laga> superm1: i#d even go as far as saying that your debconf database is broken. i mean, how is mcc supposed to know you set "test" as user name after purging mythweb?
[12:53] <superm1> that's what i'm wondering
[12:53] <superm1> oh i think i know.....
[12:53] <superm1> i have ubiquity installed
[12:53] <superm1> which probably knows about it too
[12:54] <superm1> let me purge that too
[12:54] <superm1> any other apps that use the mythweb debconf info?
[12:54] <laga> i doubt it
[12:55] <superm1> okay ubiquity is gone
[12:55] <superm1> lets try this again :)
[12:55] <superm1> still knew about it.
[12:55] <superm1> hmmm
[12:56] <laga> "get mythweb/username" | debconf-communicate
[12:56] <laga> ^^ do that please.
[12:56] <brunner> wait, when I installed I remember telling it to use the entire disk!
[12:56] <brunner> how could knoppmyth still be around?
[12:56] <superm1> well this time it says that mythweb/username doesn't exist
[12:56] <superm1> before it was saying 'test'
[12:57] <brunner> screw it. I'm just going to select manual this time.
[12:57] <superm1> okay finally
[12:57] <laga> superm1: mythweb/authenable
[12:57] <superm1> it didn't think it was there
[12:57] <superm1> somehow things must have been in an inconsistent state
[12:57] <superm1> like you said from before
[12:57] <laga> yes
[12:57] <superm1> let me try once more to break it.
[12:57] <superm1> you might consider greying out 'apply'
[12:57] <superm1> until a username and pw are entered
[12:58] <laga> k
[12:58] <superm1> similar to what i do for vnc
[12:58] <laga> and i shouldn't allow empty passwords
[12:58] <superm1> the next time you run the control centre, it doesnt fill in the pw box
[12:58] <superm1> is that expected?
[12:59] <superm1> it does still think that i'm always enabling/disabling mythweb though when i hit apply still
[01:00] <laga> yes.
[01:00] <laga> the password is deleted from debconf db after config is applied. that happens in mythweb
[01:00] <superm1> perhaps you will want to fill that with garbage or something then?
[01:00] <superm1> i dunno
[01:01] <laga> why would i fill it with garbage. someone will just change the user name and will be screwed :)
[01:01] <superm1> eh i'm just worried someone opens it and sees oh this box is empty
[01:01] <superm1> lets fill it
[01:01] <tgm4883> I've never had that problem superm1
[01:01] <superm1> tgm4883, what problem?
[01:02] <tgm4883> now I have had the problem of people at my house saying, hey, there is beer in the fridge, lets drink it
[01:02] <tgm4883> but never the empty box one
[01:02] <tgm4883> :)
[01:02] <laga> another reason we can't do it: it'll trigger a reconfigure for mythweb (unless i add another special case, say "ignore the random garbage we've just generated") :/#
[01:03] <superm1> well its already triggering every time :)
[01:03] <superm1> remember?
[01:03] <laga> superm1: not here.
[01:03] <superm1> hmm ok
[01:03] <superm1> well i'll be back in a bit
[01:03] <laga> superm1: i specifically coded it so it doesn't get triggered every where. guess it breaks on your box :)
[01:03] <laga> superm1: i'll investigate tomorrow in a -fixes VM
[01:05] <laga> unless... hey therethinker, still here?
[01:12] <brunner> my install seems to freeze when I check the box labeled "Install Proprietary Video Driver"
[01:13] <Tari> that's a known issue
[01:13] <brunner> k, I figured
[01:13] <brunner> sorry for not checking first
[01:13] <Tari> install the system, then proprietary drivers
[01:13] <brunner> yeah, that was my plan
[01:17] <mattb> hmm, so it's one of the recent package updates that's screwing up my fonts
[01:17] <brunner> when you connect to the VNC service, do you see what's on the MythTV, or does it put you into your own X and/or GNOME environment?
[01:17] <mattb> cdimage from 070830 works nicely, dist-upgrade to today and it's screwed
[01:18] <Daviey> laga: have you tried the cd superm1 rolled today?


[10:57] <Gargoyle> hello all
[23:51] <metalbiker> can anybody tell me why i can't use gnome extensions yet? i've tried to download the gnome tweaks tool from gnome software and it won't install it because it says it can't find it in the repositories.
[23:52] <metalbiker> i've been testing the daily builds ever since last month's call to do so and i love it but i'm really missing my extensions for gnome.
[23:58] <metalbiker> oh i see, i've got to go over to #ubuntu instead of hear. i swear i can read. i really can! lol