[08:14] <Riddell> good morning
[08:16] <inetpro> good morning Riddell
[08:58] <Riddell> mm, backporting docs
[09:44] <Riddell> apachelogger___: so, presence widget in system tray, what do you think?
[09:44] <Riddell> I'm unsure
[09:49] <Riddell> 'So "ibus" should depends on "gnome-icon-theme".'  yuck
[11:22] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[11:44] <apol> jtechidna: ping
[12:16] <jtechidna> apol: pong
[12:16] <apol> i wanted to ask you because I'm getting an ugly crash when calling ApplicationModel::reload
[12:16] <apol> but for some reason it only happens in the resources branch xD
[12:17] <apol> so I'm checking what did I do wrong :S
[12:17] <jtechidna> ok
[12:17] <jtechidna> apol: btw, I'm sure you saw, but 1.4 is branched and master is back open for new features
[12:18] <apol> sure
[12:18] <apol> jtechidna: I'll sort these little things out and merge the resources branch, ok?
[12:18] <jtechidna> ok
[12:28] <ScottK> Riddell: Why do I need another icon in my system tray for 'presence'?
[12:30] <Riddell> yeah I don't think it makes much sense
[12:30] <Riddell> it would work better if it was integrated into a message indicator, like ours
[12:38] <jussi> agateau: ping?
[12:41] <agateau> jussi: pong
[12:41] <jussi> agateau: Pm?
[12:42] <agateau> jussi: sure
[12:43] <apachelogger___> Riddell: mosdef on presence widget
[12:43] <apachelogger___> I actually have a patch for that
[12:43] <apachelogger___> s/patch/change in kds/
[12:43] <kubotu> apachelogger___ meant: "I actually have a change in kds for that"
[12:55] <Riddell> apachelogger___: a patch to k-d-s?
[12:55] <ScottK> apachelogger___: What essential thing will this widget do?
[12:57] <apachelogger___> allow you to control your telepathy presence
[12:58] <apachelogger___> and open the contacts list
[12:58] <apachelogger___> and add new accounts
[12:59] <apachelogger___> Riddell: we'd obviously be adding it via the plasma config magic
[13:02] <ScottK> apachelogger___: Those are things that I do approximately never and I think I'm not alone.  'presence' happens or not based on if I'm connected to a network and adjusting accounts/contacts is very rare.
[13:02] <ScottK> -1 on systray icons for stuff that's rarely used.
[13:03] <apachelogger___> yeah
[13:04] <apachelogger___> we otherwise have no way to get to a connect ktp instance without going through the menu thus making it completely opaque to the user whether he is connected to IM or not
[13:04] <apachelogger___> so that is not really an arguable change as it is right now th eonly way to actually achieve transparency
[13:05] <ScottK> Sounds like bogus design.
[13:05] <ScottK> I supposed if we make the systray icon autohide by default it wouldn't be horrible.
[13:06] <apachelogger___> that leads to the very same problem
[13:06] <apachelogger___> it should hide when not connected
[13:09] <ScottK> We've survived without a connection indication in the systray so far.  Why is it now essential to add clutter?
[13:09] <apachelogger___> we have not
[13:10] <apachelogger___> when kopete was running it was attached to the message-indicator
[13:10] <ScottK> Yes, but you can't tell from the m-i if kopete is running without clicking on it.
[13:10] <apachelogger___> when it was not running, it was not connected and thus did not need visual presentation
[13:10] <ScottK> All the m-i icon tells you is that something is running.
[13:10] <apachelogger___> since telepathy however is session bound rather than application bound you need a global indication of what is going on
[13:11] <apachelogger___> ScottK: so?
[13:12] <ScottK> To know kopete is running, you have to click on the m-i icon.
[13:12] <ScottK> So that information is one click away.
[13:12] <ScottK> Same with a hidden icon.
[13:12] <apachelogger___> eh
[13:12] <apachelogger___> ok
[13:12] <ScottK> We should either integrate the KTP stuff into M-I or get rid of it.
[13:13] <ScottK> Right now M-I supports (AFAIK) three ~normal things on the desktop: mail/IRC/IM.
[13:13]  * apachelogger___ points at the harsh mistress that is reality
[13:13] <ScottK> The mail bit is rather useless since who doesn't have unread mail.
[13:14] <ScottK> That leaves M-I being a nice way to integrate IRC/IM status.
[13:14] <ScottK> If we're dropping Kopete for KTP, that leaves just IRC unless we integrate it.
[13:15] <apachelogger___> yes
[13:15] <ScottK> I have come to like the M-I history.  When I've been away from my computer and I've been highlighted on 5 different channels, I can see a lists of who and when.
[13:15] <apachelogger___> has nothing todo with presence control though
[13:15] <apachelogger___> as there is no MI integration the only way to do that now is through the presence plasmoid
[13:16] <ScottK> Sure.  Now.
[13:16]  * ScottK thought evilshadeslayer was working on it.
[13:16] <ScottK> (or someone)
[13:17] <apachelogger___> there is some sort of showstopper
[13:18] <ScottK> Sigh.
[13:19] <ScottK> Personally, if agateau and Sput could get together and make it so the extended highlight history that I get from M-I was available through the Quassel systray icon instead, I'd be OK with seeing M-I go.
[13:25] <apachelogger___> ScottK: don't you get the same notifications from kde anyway?
[13:26] <ScottK> apachelogger___: If I'm sitting here I get a notification.  Where the m-i is useful is if I've been away I click on it and I get a whole list of my highlights.
[13:27] <apachelogger___> you should also have a list of kde notifications in the plasma thingy
[13:27] <ScottK> The KDE notification history has the notification, but it lacks the channel and time information.
[13:27] <apachelogger___> just needs adding in quassel
[13:27] <ScottK> Also that gets all mixed up with other crap notifications that I don't care about.
[13:28] <ScottK> No.  I think it's different.
[13:28] <ScottK> If you're getting a notification in real time, you don't need to know what time it was sent in the notification.  You know already.
[13:28] <ScottK> If you're looking at history, it's different.
[13:29] <ScottK> Can plasma pop one set of information in the actual notification and write something different in the history?
[13:30] <apachelogger___> *shrug*
[13:30] <apachelogger___> also I don't see the harm in including hte time eitherway
[13:32] <ScottK> Unnecessary cutter.
[13:36] <Riddell> why can't I make symbols files which work across platforms any more? http://paste.kde.org/519596/
[13:36] <Riddell> pkgkde-symbolshelper seems to have lots its magic
[13:40]  * ScottK blames gcc4.7.
[13:40] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd ask MoDax.
[14:00] <debfx> Riddell: are you actually using the pkgkde symbolshelper in debian/rules?
[14:01] <debfx> also creating a symbols file for libkolabxml seems to be impossible to maintain as long as it's not using -fvisiblity=hidden
[14:07] <Riddell> debfx: just looking at what you did, I seem to have missed out on pkgkde symbolshelper in debian/rules
[14:07] <Riddell> do you know what's the difference?
[14:08] <debfx> difference between what?
[14:09] <Riddell> debfx: between using pkgkde-gensymbols as dpkg-gensymbols and not, why is that now necessary
[14:11] <debfx> it was always necessary. the pkgkde dpkg-gensymbols knowns about subst and prints patch headers so pkgkde-symbolshelper can update the symbols file
[14:12] <Riddell> oh does it get added by --with kde but this doesn't use --with kde so it needs it explicitly?
[14:12] <debfx> yes
[14:13] <Riddell> that'll be it
[14:20] <Riddell> debfx: "Switch to debhelper compat level v9 which exports build flags"  exports to what?
[14:20] <debfx> the environment
[14:25] <debfx> (since dpkg-buildpackage doesn't do that anymore)
[15:17] <Quintasan> \o
[20:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1779133
[20:43] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Also, no XBMC for Tegra 2. No NEON instruction set support
[20:43] <Quintasan> :D
[20:43] <Quintasan> More like :/
[20:43] <highvoltage> hey Quintasan
[20:43] <highvoltage> how are things?
[20:44] <Quintasan> highvoltage: Slowly getting done with all the university stuff.
[20:45] <Quintasan> Still need to sign the flat rent contract
[20:45] <Quintasan> And quite possibly I will get 1Gbit connection in the flat
[20:45] <Quintasan> Not sure whether it will really run at full speed but hell, we are splitting the cost on 4 people


[10:07] <alan_g> greyback: do you know if bug 1506844 was fixed by 0.18?
[10:07] <greyback> alan_g: no idea, sorry.
[10:07] <greyback> want me to try?
[10:08] <alan_g> Not urgent, just scanning the buglist.
[11:35] <greyback> alan_g: hey, trying to repro https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1506844 now - the instructions I wrote don't appear to work - I should see the spinny triangle, right?
[11:36] <greyback> this is before I've tried to hotplug at all
[11:36] <greyback> I just see black screen with cursor
[11:36] <greyback> i.e. starting nested server has no visual impact
[11:37] <alan_g> Weird
[11:38] <greyback> yeah
[11:38] <alan_g> Try mir_demo_server --background-color purple --host /tmp/mir_socket
[11:39] <greyback> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14437253/ my nested server log
[11:39] <greyback> ok, trying
[11:39] <greyback> "default compositor can only set background color to black"
[11:40] <alan_g> --custom-compositor adorning
[11:40] <greyback> eek, hard reboot
[11:40] <greyback> trying to run 2 host mir servers is bad idea
[11:41] <alan_g> On the phone, yes
[11:42] <greyback> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1506955 - those steps to repro work. So maybe my steps incorrect with USC
[11:43] <alan_g> Maybe. Sometimes the USC debug options get broken because folks don't use them#
[11:43] <greyback> "mir_demo_server --background-color purple --host /tmp/mir_socket --custom-compositor adorning" - should I have purple screen? I don't
[11:44] <alan_g> I think you need to lose --debug-active-session-name=Test (my dev phone is busy updating so I can't try right now)
[11:45] <greyback> aha, MIR_SERVER_NAME=Test for the nested server
[11:46] <greyback> now it works
[11:46] <alan_g> Excellent
[11:46] <greyback> bad instructions on my part, apologies
[11:47] <alan_g> We've all done that
[11:47] <alan_g> Thanks for checking these out
[11:48] <alan_g> BTW is there anything we can to progress WM?
[11:48] <alan_g> I could refresh the qtmir MPs
[12:27] <greyback> alan_g: mir stability on hotplug much improved, well done
[12:28] <alan_g> greyback: yw
[12:28] <greyback> need someone to look at graphics, the spinny triangle animation gets stuttery when multimonitored
[12:45] <alan_g> greyback: is that Flo? sidebyside? cloned? nested?
[12:45] <greyback> alan_g: flo, nested, sidebyside
[12:49] <alan_g> I'll try mako (but may not be the best person)
[12:50] <alan_g> Happens with mir_demo_server? (not USC)
[13:03] <alan_g> OK, I see it on mako too
[14:11] <alan_g> greyback: does bug 1532202 capture everything?
[14:11] <greyback> alan_g: yep, that's the jist of it
[18:40] <josharenson> I'm trying to have lightdm start a mir server (for the unity8 greeter) and I'm receiving this error. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14439741/  I have no problem running mir_demo_server, and the lightdm server is started by root.
[19:41] <kdub> josharenson, is there an input platform installed?
[19:42] <kdub> eg, mir-platform-input-evdev3
[19:42] <josharenson> kdub: mir-platform-input-evdev4
[19:43] <kdub> hmm, unsure then


[08:54] <james14> Am using Ubuntu 13.10, 64-bit.  When touchpad-indicator is running and I click on Preferences, the application crashes. Is there a command when starting touchpad indicator that I could use to disable the touchpad from the command line?
[08:54] <james14> Oops, not everything showed
[08:55] <james14> My touchpad-indicator application crashes when I click on Preferences
[08:55] <lifeless> james14: you might like to ask in #ubuntu; this channel is for the Launchpad.net software development website
[08:56] <james14> OK. Sorry to have bothered you
[08:57] <lifeless> no bother; you just won't get an answer here ;)
[10:56] <xnox> Can the owner of the ubuntu src package translation template be changed form myself to rosetta-admins?
[10:56] <xnox> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/git/+pots/git
[12:32] <mati75> hello, I need more disk space on my ppa, Can anyone help me with that?
[13:24] <czajkowski> mati75: if you file a question on answers https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[13:47] <samjam4ubu> need help 4 grub customising
[13:53] <samjam4ubu> need help 4 grub customising
[14:34] <davmor2> samjam4ubu: then you want to ask either on #ubuntu or on https://askubuntu.com
[15:36] <Sfphinx> morning
[16:32] <Sfphinx> my ppa keeps rejecting my package saying it already exists with taht version
[16:32] <Sfphinx> but I’ve deleted the package
[16:32] <Sfphinx> do I really have to change the version number each time a build fails if I need to fix and re-upload?!
[16:33] <aboudreault> Sfphinx, you can't re-upload the same version twice
[16:33] <aboudreault> increment it
[16:33] <aboudreault> yes
[16:33] <Sfphinx> :(
[16:33] <Sfphinx> k thanks
[16:34] <aboudreault> that why we use version like: 6.4.3-3~saucy1, in any case we always increment the last number when uploading
[16:34] <dobey> that is exactly what the "debian version" is for in non-native packages.
[16:34] <dobey> aka the "build number"
[16:34] <Sfphinx> fair enough
[16:37] <ekristen> hello everyone, is there any good documentation on debian/rules, I’m not a /configure or Makefile guru, but I’m trying to help someone debianize their source, it seems that dropping in the necessary debian/* files seems to work, but they have an additional folder with a make file that builds a java jar file, and I’d like to figure out how to get that to build too during the process and have it install along side
[16:37] <ekristen> everything else
[16:37] <ekristen> if that makes sense
[17:55] <dobey> ekristen: #ubuntu-package is a better channel for packaging questions. that doesn't really have anything to do with launchpad itself


[04:51] <nathan> So... my m10 wasn't getting OTA14. It downloaded, but "installing" always lead to the recovery menu
[04:51] <nathan> Tried to factory reset it, and now it boots into the ubuntu logo and then a black screen...
[04:53] <nathan> Now I'm reading the page on  flashing the device... this is a lot more complicated than I would have expected
[04:56] <nathan> and now "adb devices" lists nothing...
[04:59] <nathan> can't mount it, can't boot it, can't see it with adb .... any ideas on what I can do?
[10:11] <makoman> Hello, i'm searching some .zip to flash unbuntu phone on my android recovery ? Anyone have a link for nexus 4 (mako) ? Thanks!
[16:56] <RPteA> Does anyone know how to get a location recognition? The location settings are ok. I use GPS. My phone is an aquaria E5 ubuntu edition. If i use uNav or an other tool that uses GPS it does not find my location.
[22:30] <grottenolm> hallo
[22:31] <grottenolm> i get a odys winpad 10 -- 2 in one
[22:31] <grottenolm> is it possible to install ubuntu touch????
[22:32] <grottenolm> and to use also the touchpad
[22:55] <dobey> !devices grottenolm
[22:55] <ubot5`> dobey: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[22:55] <dobey> !devices | grottenolm
[22:55] <ubot5`> grottenolm: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices